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[12:09] <George> Riddell: I didn't realise Kubuntu was so big :) [12:09] <Riddell> George: in which way? [12:09] <George> Riddell: this channel is .. big [12:09] <George> :P [12:09] <George> Riddell: as in big community [12:10] <Riddell> speaking of community, http://kubuntuforums.net/ just launched [12:10] <George> woo [12:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Kickass [12:12] <George> Riddell: registered :) [12:12] <George> I ought to try out Kubuntu some day [12:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> What do you use now? [12:13] <George> Gentoo [12:13] <George> amd64 and ppc [12:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Nice [12:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Heard it's fast. Is that true? [12:14] <George> reasonably [12:14] <jrattner1> In my last KDE session I had several programs open when I ended the session, now when I try to open KDE it doesnt load, and I feel its because KDE is trying to load all of the programs of the last session [12:14] <jrattner1> how can I get KDE working again? [12:14] <George> erm [12:15] <George> the session stuff is in $KDEHOME/share/config/sessions iirc [12:15] <jrattner1> George, so what should i do with that [12:15] <George> are you trying to load KDE at the moment? [12:15] <jrattner1> im in gnome right now [12:15] <George> bah [12:16] <George> when it's trying to load kde, switch to VT1 then login and run "top" [12:16] <George> see if any of the KDE processes are using full CPU [12:16] <George> and kill them if they are [12:16] <jrattner1> George, ok then? [12:16] <George> that might sort it out to a point that KDE will load [12:16] <jrattner1> ok [12:16] <jrattner1> let me try it be right back [12:17] <George> otherwise, move ~/.kde to another location such as ~/.kde.bak [12:17] <George> bah. [12:17] <George> he's gone. [12:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> He'll be back. They ALL come back! [12:17] <George> lol [12:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Well, they do [12:17] <George> Riddell: 16 days until akademy :) [12:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> What's that? [12:18] <George> KDE World Con [12:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ooh, sounds important [12:18] <George> heh [12:19] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Are you going, George? [12:19] <George> yes [12:19] <George> trying to fix Phantom^^'s problem is annoying :) [12:20] <jrattner1> nope [12:20] <jrattner1> any other ideas George ? [12:20] <George> yeah [12:20] <George> move ~/.kde to somewhere else [12:20] <George> like ~/.kde.bak [12:20] <Rogue_Jedi_X> format c: [12:20] <jrattner1> ok.. [12:20] <George> and see if that works when you next load KDE [12:20] <George> that will essentially remove the KDE configuration files [12:21] <George> so KDE will start again with default values [12:21] <aseigo> George: 16 days till you either: [12:21] <aseigo> a) get to look after peyton [12:21] <George> aseigo: I am NOT LOOKING AFTER PEYTON. [12:21] <aseigo> b) get to meet that boy^Wgirl [12:21] <jrattner1> so mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-back ? [12:21] <George> yes [12:21] <jrattner1> then reboot [12:21] <George> no [12:21] <George> then reload KDE [12:21] <jrattner1> ok [12:21] <aseigo> George: fine. no food for you. [12:21] <George> aseigo: bitch. [12:22] <George> aseigo: you're not very nice are you? :) [12:22] <aseigo> George: that's mr. bitch to you [12:22] <George> aseigo: bah. [12:22] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You're female? [12:22] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: mr. bitch <-- [12:22] <aseigo> not mrs. bitch [12:22] <George> yeah [12:22] <aseigo> or ms. bitch [12:23] <George> her name is Aaronette. [12:23] <aseigo> erin [12:23] <George> that's what the "a" in "aseigo" stands for. [12:23] <aseigo> my name would be erin if it was the feminine [12:23] <aseigo> as it is, i just cross dress from time to time [12:23] <George> yeah, but that doesn't start with an A. [12:23] <aseigo> but am not REALLY a womanm [12:23] <George> that beard fooled me then [12:23] <George> :P [12:23] <aseigo> yeah, the beard is just to fuck with you. [12:23] <George> hah [12:24] <aseigo> "wow. look at that gir- .. aaah! it has a beard!" [12:24] <George> you're the same height as an average female though [12:24] <George> SHORTY [12:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hm, that's kinda confusing. Mr indicates that you're of the male gender, while "bitch" indicates otherwise [12:24] <aseigo> i'd make bucks in the old days of the freak shows. [12:24] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: i'm tricksy like that =P [12:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Indeed [12:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Unless... [12:25] <aseigo> you could always inquire of the women in my life which i am, however. they have sources of definitive information. [12:25] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: http://www.gwright.org.uk/images/cache/pictures/KDE/aKademy/Day%202/1024x768/PICT0647.JPG [12:25] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I could, but I'm afraid of what I might discover [12:25] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: that's aseigo in the blue shirt [12:26] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: he is SOOOO a woman. [12:26] <jrattner1> still did not work, do you think i should try reinstalling kubuntu George ? [12:26] <George> no [12:26] <George> well, if you want... :) [12:26] <Rogue_Jedi_X> There are two guys with blue shirts [12:26] <jrattner1> It was working perfectly until, I ended my last session I dont get it [12:27] <George> I've never actually /used/ kubuntu so I don't know what TRICKERY Riddell has done to bastardise KDE :) [12:27] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: woops [12:27] <aseigo> jrattner1: what's the problem [12:27] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: try the guy with the beard [12:27] <George> aseigo: lipstick? [12:27] <aseigo> i believe so yes [12:27] <George> heh [12:27] <George> see! he's a transexual! [12:27] <jrattner1> aseigo, KDE will not start since the last session when I logged out, with XCHAT, GAIM, and LIMEWIRE running [12:27] <aseigo> i got hammered, put on lipstick and got picked up by some hot girls [12:27] <George> oh god. Phantom^^'s back. [12:28] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Both of them look male enough to me, but I have doubts about the person holding a plushie [12:28] <aseigo> jrattner1: what's your ~/.xsession-errors says? [12:28] <aseigo> er, say [12:28] <George> aseigo: heh, that's be a sensible course of action to take :) [12:28] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: yeah, he was pretty freakin' attached to his konqi plushie [12:28] <George> I'm very lazy when it comes to checking logs [12:28] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: i have pics of him asleep with it [12:29] <aseigo> in fact, that night i had to use my "i'm canadian" line to get into the private club [12:29] <aseigo> (where the women told us to meet up with them) [12:29] <jrattner1> aseigo, its only got gnome information right now cause im using gnome at the minute [12:29] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: that's Chris Howells [12:29] <aseigo> and wheels got turned away because he was wearing sandles [12:29] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: http://www.gwright.org.uk/images/cache/pictures/KDE/aKademy/Day%202/800x600/PICT0651.JPG [12:29] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: he was using it as a pillow ~2 seconds before that picture was taken [12:29] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: he quickly tried to hide it [12:30] <aseigo> so it was just allan and me [12:30] <George> aseigo: carewolf? [12:30] <aseigo> yeah [12:30] <George> I think he slept in the bunk above me [12:30] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That pose is simply....disturbing [12:30] <jrattner1> George, any other ideas? [12:30] <George> he was the ONLY person that would come back later at night to the hostel than me [12:30] <George> jrattner1: check ~/.xsession-errors [12:30] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I can't figure out whether he just woke up, or if he's stalking someone [12:30] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: well, he's good at that. being disturbing that is ;) [12:30] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: probably both [12:30] <jrattner1> George, I did it only has gnome information [12:31] <George> hrmm [12:31] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: I think he was actually death staring me for taking a photo of him at about 3am [12:31] <aseigo> jrattner1: hum. ok... try rm'ing ~/.ICEAuthority and ~/.Xauthority [12:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Are those Macs on the table? iBook and PowerBook? [12:31] <George> yeah [12:31] <George> powerbook is mine [12:31] <George> ibook is his [12:32] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That PowerBook looks very sleek [12:32] <George> heh. [12:32] <jrattner1> aseigo, alright let me try to load KDE again [12:32] <George> I *really* shouldn't have taken it apart. [12:32] <Rogue_Jedi_X> What's that silver thing under his watch? [12:33] <George> Riddell: didn't we have an issue with Ben Lamb's shuttle last year at LWCE when KDE wouldn't load? required changing ownership of some files /tmp iirc... [12:33] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: probably a transformer or a battery charger [12:33] <Riddell> George: not as far as I remember, but it's quite possible [12:33] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: chowells went nuts on bringing crap with him to akademy last year [12:34] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: I think he brought two laptops, an external keyboard, a million 4-way power extension cords... [12:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Wow [12:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Did he actually use all of those? [12:34] <George> whereas je4d forced me to travel light.. I had to pack for 11 days in HAND LUGGAGE [12:34] <George> ergh. [12:34] <aseigo> no, we beat him up and took them from him [12:34] <George> aseigo: ;) [12:34] <aseigo> that's why he's cuddling his plushie and ducking [12:35] <George> lol [12:35] <aseigo> we put the fear of god into that boy [12:35] <Rogue_Jedi_X> lol [12:35] <aseigo> George, on the other hand, we just made run through the platz naked [12:35] <George> http://www.gwright.org.uk/images/cache/pictures/KDE/aKademy/Day%202/800x600/PICT0646.JPG [12:35] <George> aseigo: ? [12:35] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Poor kid. Google says he's one of the youngest KDE developers too [12:35] <aseigo> though he seemed to enjoy that more than it scar him [12:35] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: he's not [12:35] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: yeah, and i had to ride the bus in with them (when i woke up that is ;) [12:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hehe [12:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> George: He's not? [12:36] <George> aseigo: what are you talking about? [12:36] <jrattner1> George, aseigo I didnt work but i got some errors for you fold on [12:36] <arcanistherogue> hey, i want to access my "shared documents" folder on myt family computer, which is another computer on the network. how would i do this? [12:36] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: nah, he's 21 now or something [12:36] <arcanistherogue> it is running win XP the family computer [12:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Open Konqueror and click Remote Places and then Samba Shares [12:37] <arcanistherogue> i didnt set anything up though [12:37] <George> aseigo: what's this about buses and riding them? [12:38] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You probably don't need to. I know I didn't [12:38] <arcanistherogue> where is remote places? [12:38] <aseigo> arcanistherogue: far from you. [12:38] <arcanistherogue> very funny. [12:39] <aseigo> arcanistherogue: in kubuntu, there's the system icon on the panel right next to the k menu [12:39] <arcanistherogue> ah [12:39] <aseigo> arcanistherogue: click on it, select Remote Folders or whatever the hell it's called [12:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hehe. Actually you can access it either by running Konqueror and selecting it or by clicking on the computer icon right from the KDE kicker and then selecting "Remote Places" [12:39] <George> I ought to migrate my root partition to XFS at some point. [12:39] <aseigo> arcanistherogue: then select the add new remote folder icon thingy [12:39] <arcanistherogue> nah, i found it [12:39] <aseigo> George: i think you should dissassemble the computer first [12:39] <George> aseigo: why? [12:40] <aseigo> George: just seems like something you'd do ... =P [12:40] <George> heh. [12:40] <George> why would I disassemble a computer for no reason? [12:41] <George> actually, the answer to that is probably "because you're George". [12:41] <George> aseigo: so how much food are you going to buy me? [12:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> The food won't be free? That's reason enough not to go, if it were me :P [12:43] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: blah [12:43] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: aseigo said he'd buy me food. RIGHT AARON? [12:43] <George> I was bullied at akademy last year :( [12:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Tech-bullies? [12:44] <George> yeah [12:44] <George> by Zack Rusin of all people. you can't get much lower and more degrading. [12:45] <aseigo> dude, getting bullied by zrusin is like being slapped by christy brinkley [12:45] <aseigo> i mean, you got slapped [12:45] <aseigo> but .. it was freakin' christy brinkley! [12:45] <George> :( [12:45] <George> dude, being bullied by Zack and Ian is about as low as you can get [12:45] <George> and Helio [12:46] <aseigo> and i'd take that over a hot wet kiss by 99% of the women around here ;) [12:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hehe, this is gold: [12:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> When did you first hear of KDE? [12:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I don't remember to be honest. I know that the first time I tried it was when one of my friends forced me to try Caldera. [12:46] <George> aseigo: ? [12:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Emphasis on "forced" :P [12:46] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: who wrote that? [12:46] <aseigo> George: aw, that's just because we love you [12:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I dunno. It's here: http://www.kde.nl/people/zack.html [12:46] <George> :P [12:46] <George> heh, Zack. [12:46] <George> the one thing I learnt about Zack was NEVER TRUST A THING HE SAYS [12:46] <George> :) [12:47] <George> I mean, he says he's cute... that says it all. [12:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Wow. Extreme self-appreciation [12:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> He must have issues [12:47] <George> he also loves poles. [12:47] <George> (the solid, metallic type) [12:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Any particular reason? [12:48] <George> no idea [12:48] <George> but we have evidence. [12:48] <twidget> Anyone use Bluefish? [12:48] <pv_> err, poles as in magnetic poles [12:48] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: http://bddf.ca/~aseigo/germany2k4/aKademy/pages/dscn0417.jpg.html [12:48] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: you can see the true love in his eyes [12:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That's almost as weird as that character from Star Ocean: The Second Story. He had a wooden barrel fetish [12:49] <George> aseigo: were you there last year when lypanov, me and daniels had a crap music fight? [12:49] <aseigo> George: no. i try to avoid the lameness =P [12:49] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Dear lord. No sleep for me today, I guess [12:50] <George> aseigo: it was funny :) [12:50] <aseigo> George: those are now all on aseigo.bddf.ca btw (the pics) [12:50] <George> aseigo: the music was getting progressively worse as time went by [12:50] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: there's a story behind that picture of zack [12:50] <George> aseigo: and then daniels put on this DREADFUL 80s German karaoke music... about Moscow. or something. [12:50] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: he was crushing on the waitress. who was crushing twice as hard back [12:51] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: and then her boyfriend showed up one night and decided to crush some wine bottles in zack's general direction [12:51] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: but yeah... at that point he was all fluttering. [12:51] <George> rofl [12:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Awwwwww [12:51] <George> so he hit on a POLE? [12:51] <George> engel [12:51] <George> not angel [12:51] <aseigo> he didn't hit on it. he expressed his inner state by embracing it [12:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> George: Maybe he needed practice [12:52] <George> I didn't think much of the food at the Blauer Engel [12:52] <aseigo> engel. right. [12:52] <aseigo> George: it was edible. [12:52] <George> but as IBM was funding our food [12:52] <George> I don't think I was complaining. [12:52] <Rogue_Jedi_X> aseigo: His inner state being...a stripper? [12:52] <aseigo> George: but you're english. you have no business rating food. =P [12:52] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: pretty muhc. [12:52] <George> aseigo: I like anything that has lots of beef in it [12:52] <George> :P [12:53] <Will__> you'd like my pants. uNF [12:53] <aseigo> Will__: ahhahahaha [12:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> And there it is! [12:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That was a joke just waiting to happen :) [12:53] <Will__> <-just got in from work [12:53] <aseigo> Will__: good timing, i must say [12:53] <Riddell> aseigo: well restrained on the BSE comments there [12:54] <Will__> aseigo: I tend to wait on stuff like this happening. Making people laugh on irc is my current highlight of life [12:54] <jrattner1> George, http://pastebin.com/334151 [12:54] <George> aseigo: damn.. seeing the group photo I'm annoyed I missed it [12:54] <aseigo> Will__: suddenly i feel for you ={ [12:54] <Will__> 728 hours, 17 minutes and 30 seconds till I'm back at university. Drink, dance and women. Holidays are _no_ fun [12:54] <lichte> can I install kubuntu-desktop without changing the /etc/apt/sources.list ? [12:54] <aseigo> ahha [12:54] <lichte> from hoary, I mean [12:55] <Riddell> aseigo: no hugs, I have a cold, you'll get ill [12:55] <Will__> aseigo: hot cold hot cold. You gotta pick what you feel for me! [12:55] <aseigo> Riddell: bah. i am impervious. [12:55] <George> aseigo: let me guess, at aKademy you'll spend half your time on the beach trying to chat up spanish chicks? [12:55] <Will__> <-upset and confused. You've changed! [12:55] <aseigo> *cough* *hack* *gurgle* *die* [12:55] <aseigo> Will__: i get that all the time from the women. damn. [12:55] <George> aseigo: actually, make that 9/10ths of the time. [12:55] <aseigo> George: heh. you know me well =P [12:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hm. If I want to install KDE 3.4.2, do I have to do it from runlevel 2 or is this fine? [12:55] <George> aseigo: :P [12:56] <Will__> Rogue_Jedi_X: I did it from gnome [12:56] <George> aseigo: "look at this ladies. IT'S KDE 4.0 PRE ALPHA!!!" [12:56] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That is also an excellent idea [12:56] <Riddell> aseigo: that kicker applet dialogue in 3.5, shouldn't there be a generic KDE widget for that sort of thing? [12:56] <Rogue_Jedi_X> brb [12:56] <jrattner1> George, any ideas? [12:56] <Riddell> a klistview that takes widgets instead of just text and an image [12:56] <George> jrattner1: hang on [12:57] <George> jrattner1: no idea [12:57] <George> jrattner1: looks like something to do with xorg is barfing [12:57] <George> aseigo: any ideas? [12:58] <jrattner1> why would it just happen out of the blue [12:58] <George> no idea. [12:59] <jrattner1> maybe i should just reinstall kubuntu [12:59] <twidget> Can anyone explain why I'm seeing this as soon as I log on? http://charlesstricklin.com/files/snapshot2.png and http://charlesstricklin.com/files/snapshot3.png [12:59] <George> jrattner1: that'd fix it... but it's probably a touch extreme [01:00] <jrattner1> im just going to do it, it seems the easiest option right now [01:00] <jrattner1> it takes two seconds anyway [01:00] <George> heh [01:00] <George> ok [01:00] <Riddell> twidget: presumably you've set it to use the composite engine (transparent windows maybe) [01:01] <George> I come from the Gentoo world where a reinstall is NOT a feasible option :) [01:01] <lichte> will Kubuntu change the cli sound apps to stop using esd ? [01:02] <jrattner1> George, i would run gentoo if it would install on my laptop [01:02] <George> if any distro is going to install on a laptop, Gentoo is the one [01:02] <George> because it is set up completely manually [01:03] <Riddell> lichte: which app? [01:03] <lichte> Riddell: like ogg123 for instance [01:03] <_andrea> hola [01:03] <jrattner1> George, i tried fedora, SuSE 9.3 professional, mandrake and debian and only ubuntu works [01:03] <jrattner1> brb [01:04] <twidget> Riddell: any idea where I'd find that? [01:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hello again [01:05] <Riddell> "Audio Device: ESounD output" hmm, wonder where that's set [01:05] <lichte> Riddell: it's compiled in [01:05] <Riddell> twidget: click on any window icon->configure window manager->translucency [01:06] <hater2win> is there Quicktime for linux? [01:06] <twidget> Riddell: got it. Just turn it off, then? [01:07] <Riddell> twidget: yes [01:07] <twidget> cool, thanks [01:07] <twidget> hater2win: I don't think there is [01:07] <Riddell> hater2win: see RestrictedFormats [01:07] <Riddell> lichte: no mention of it in the vorbis-tools source [01:07] <twidget> which is odd, seeing as how Mac OS X is based on a Unix kernal [01:09] <Riddell> ogg123 -d arts works [01:09] <jrattner1> I got it working [01:09] <Phantom^^> hmm x [01:09] <jrattner1> oddly enough it was the CD in my cdrom making the problem [01:09] <Phantom^^> or x tablet ? [01:09] <Riddell> lichte: ah hah /etc/libao.conf [01:10] <lichte> Riddell: is there any way to get rid of the arts dependencies ? [01:10] <hater2win> Riddell: so what do i do in firefox about like a Quicktime plugin? [01:11] <hater2win> nvm, codecs, lol. ill do what you tell me next time =p [01:11] <Riddell> lichte: which arts dependencies? [01:11] <lichte> Riddell: all of 'em [01:12] <lichte> Riddell: when I compile KDE on Gentoo, I leave out all arts dependencies [01:12] <Riddell> lichte: not really, arts is build quite deeply into KDE [01:12] <lichte> Riddell: not anymore [01:12] <Riddell> well, you can recompile it all with --no-arts or something [01:12] <George> arts is a pain in the bum [01:12] <lichte> yeah, that's why I set the -arts USE flag on Gentoo :) [01:13] <Riddell> lichte: what happens to sound then? [01:13] <Will__> if you like gentoo...use it? It sounds childish, but if you like the way a distro works, then stick with it [01:13] <lichte> Riddell: it uses alsa [01:13] <George> I haven't had working sound in KDE for about 3 years [01:13] <lichte> Will__: great point, I was just wondering if there were packages with different dependencies in Kubuntu [01:14] <lichte> Will__: I don't mean that Kubuntu *should* either [01:14] <Will__> oh, and stop using gentoo you damned freebsd wannabe. </end-of-rant> I'm going to have a cup of tea [01:14] <George> oiy [01:14] <George> Gentoo is good. [01:14] <George> it runs on my powerbook very well. [01:15] <lichte> my computer is so slow for compiling, I thought I'd try Kubuntu [01:15] <George> heh [01:16] <lichte> so, I don't need to change anything in sources.list to get a Kubuntu desktop anymore ? [01:16] <Riddell> lichte: no [01:16] <lichte> just make sure I'm pulling from Hoary ? [01:17] <lichte> Riddell: very nice [01:17] <lichte> Riddell: I will have to add a line to get the 3.4.2 though, right ? It seems to be saying that at the Kubuntu website [01:17] <twidget> Recommendations on software to capture my LPs so that I may convert them to CDs? [01:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I should clean this crud up [01:19] <Riddell> lichte: yes [01:19] <lichte> oh, and one last question before I run off to install; How do I change the runlevels ?? [01:19] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Edit /etc/inittab [01:20] <lichte> Rogue_Jedi_X: no, I mean to turn off certain things from booting up [01:20] <lichte> like, turn of Postfix, etc. [01:20] <lichte> s/of/off [01:20] <lichte> I don't want to chmod in /etc/init.d either [01:20] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, that [01:20] <lichte> I mean a REAL runlevel editor [01:21] <Riddell> lichte: one is being worked on as part of guidance, but there's no packages yet [01:21] <lichte> I seem to remember someone told me once what the default way to do that is on a debian system [01:22] <lichte> I can't remember what the name of the program is though [01:22] <lichte> it's on the base Ubuntu install though, I do remember that [01:27] <George> heh, Phantom^^'s fstab is still borked [01:29] <lichte> well, I guess I'll go install [01:29] <lichte> thanks all [01:30] <Rogue_Jedi_X> What does the kubuntu-desktop package contain? [01:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I want to ditch Noatun, but it wants to take it down with it [01:32] <Riddell> Rogue_Jedi_X: it will do that if you're using kde 3.4.2 in hoary [01:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Dammit [01:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Same for ksirc too [01:43] <George> haha, I wallhacked you. [01:43] <Phantom^^> lol [01:43] <George> :P [01:43] <George> Phantom^^: did you see that story about that korean dude who played starcraft for 50 hours and died? [01:44] <George> Phantom^^: and no, it wasn't Taejae :) [01:44] <Phantom^^> lol [01:44] <Phantom^^> yeah] [01:45] <Will__> what a wimp. 50 hours is nothing [01:45] <George> :) [01:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I like Starcraft too, but DAMN [01:49] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: yeah. Phantom^^ and I used to play starcraft together. I whipped his ASS :D [01:50] <Phantom^^> lol [01:50] <Phantom^^> tell them about me and ut and the rest of the boarding house :D [01:50] <George> erm [01:50] <George> yeah, you freak :P [01:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That sounds interesting [01:51] <Phantom^^> winner stays on lol [01:51] <George> the undisputed unreal tournament champion :P [01:51] <George> ie - the guy who can do 5 million mouseclicks per second [01:51] <George> :) [01:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Not sure I follow [01:51] <Phantom^^> tell that to Taejae and his key combos [01:52] <George> ergh [01:52] <Phantom^^> lol [01:52] <George> taejae basically played starcraft with a keyboard [01:52] <George> crazy koreans. [01:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Why? Did the mouse drown in nervous sweat? [01:53] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: no, it was faster [01:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That's one of the reasons why I'm reluctant to play Quake online again. People are just too damn fast for me [01:54] <George> lol [01:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> It's over in, like, 2 seconds for me [01:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> 0:01 - Announcer says "FIGHT!" [01:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> 0:02 - I'm all over the nearby wall [01:55] <George> lol [01:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Everyone having BFG4k doesn't help either [01:56] <George> HAHA [01:56] <George> i don't play FPS games [01:56] <George> they suck [01:56] <George> one of the many reasons why Phantom^^ thinks I'm a n00b [01:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Come to think of it, the only two games I've played online AND enjoyed are Starcraft and Dark Forces: Jedi Knight [01:57] <George> try playing starcraft on the korean server [01:58] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, and the occasional TOCA 2 with my cousin [01:58] <Phantom^^> lol [01:58] <George> annihilated in about 20 seconds. [01:58] <Phantom^^> fps rocks [01:58] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No freakin' way [01:58] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I've seen the videos [01:58] <Phantom^^> you just need reactions like eirton senner [01:58] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Those guys don't even bother to build a base. They have the ability to pwnz0r you with SCVs. SCVs! [01:58] <George> ROFL [01:59] <George> SCVs are THE LEET [01:59] <Phantom^^> lol [01:59] <Phantom^^> idd [01:59] <George> Phantom^^ got pissed when I used to do that tohim [01:59] <Phantom^^> lol [01:59] <Phantom^^> i need my leet ASMD shock rifle [01:59] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ah, the only weapon in ut with tertiary fire [02:00] <George> Phantom^^: shoot BECKY! :D [02:00] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I prefer the flak cannon myself [02:01] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Compensates for my aim which sucks [02:01] <Phantom^^> yeah its all about timing the shock combos :D [02:01] <George> Phantom^^: did you ever buy a rifle in the end? [02:01] <Phantom^^> nope [02:01] <George> heh [02:01] <George> wimp. [02:02] <Phantom^^> i stopped shooting at the university club cos the chairman of the exec slept with a girl i was seeing :P [02:02] <George> ROFL [02:02] <George> hahaha, I'm laughing so hard I'm actually scared I'll wake my parents [02:02] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I haven't played a PC game in a long time. Long live my PS2! [02:02] <George> long live my dreamcast [02:03] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Which reminds me. I really should finish Digital Devil Saga. I haven't touched it for weeks now [02:03] <Phantom^^> i rerally wish i trusted myslef to play games [02:03] <Phantom^^> but i have reatakes to study for [02:04] <George> heh [02:04] <George> your fault for failing [02:04] <George> you lazy sod :P [02:04] <Phantom^^> hehe [02:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Lazy people made life easier [02:04] <Phantom^^> haha [02:04] <George> I'm lazy [02:04] <George> :D [02:04] <George> I'm the laziest person EVER [02:05] <Phantom^^> ooo its all about the poly topal isomers of oragano metallic complexes [02:05] <George> shut up [02:05] <George> :P [02:05] <George> you're reminding me of this chemistry work I have to do. [02:05] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'll just pretend I understood that [02:06] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: (psst - he's a chemistry undergrad) [02:06] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oooh [02:06] <George> and he failed his first year exams [02:06] <George> :) [02:06] <Rogue_Jedi_X> So what. Einstein sucked in school too [02:07] <George> bah [02:07] <George> Einstein is overrated. [02:07] <Rogue_Jedi_X> So we're probably talking to the future uber-genius in chemical warfare [02:07] <Phantom^^> so basically we can get bot tetrahedral and sq planlar geometric structures of the same organo metalic complex [02:07] <George> shut up John. [02:07] <Rogue_Jedi_X> It's like another language [02:08] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: it's "NERD" [02:08] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Nearly Enlightened Robot of Doom? [02:09] <George> oh shush [02:09] <Rogue_Jedi_X> hehe [02:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Just read a short article [02:11] <Phantom^^> i have no hope of getting thermodynamics and kinetics sorted out before next tuesday :( [02:11] <n> Anyone know how to set up a USB scanner so any user can access it? Only root can scan at the mo [02:12] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Microsoft made a discovery that their operating system just MIGHT be getting slower after leaving it on for a few days [02:12] <Rogue_Jedi_X> And it only took them 15 years [02:12] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Christ [02:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ah, here we go. The original article in english [02:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> http://news.com.com/Putting+Vista+in+the+fast+lane/2100-1016_3-5820758.html?tag=nefd.lede [02:19] <_frank> Rogue_Jedi_X: that's pretty funny [02:36] <_sasha> Hi, I seem to be having trouble compiling mplayer [02:36] <_sasha> or linking rather [02:36] <_sasha> /usr/lib/libGL.a(glxcmds.o)(.text+0x2eea): In function `glXGetMscRateOML': [02:36] <_sasha> : undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion' [02:36] <_sasha> /usr/lib/libGL.a(glxcmds.o)(.text+0x2f1a): In function `glXGetMscRateOML': [02:36] <_sasha> : undefined reference to `XF86VidModeGetModeLine' [02:36] <_sasha> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status [02:36] <_sasha> make: *** [mplayer] Error 1 [02:36] <supernix> hey anyone using emacs ? [02:37] <supernix> Just curious what was so special about it and such [02:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> It's Apple [02:37] <_sasha> There's a thread about the exact same problem at http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27576.html, but the solution offered there doesn't seem to help me [02:38] <sproingie> supernix: emacs has kwan [02:38] <supernix> ah [02:38] <supernix> what is kwan ? [02:39] <sproingie> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?EmacsHasQwan [02:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> _sasha: Why don't you just apt-get it? [02:40] <sproingie> er, qwan, since it's an acronym [02:40] <sproingie> quality without a name [02:40] <teste> oi how to add more server at Konversation ? [02:40] <teste> dunno the names [02:41] <sproingie> emacs has gnus. emacs has vm. emacs has minesweeper, tetris, and psychoanalyze-pinhead [02:41] <_sasha> How? [02:42] <teste> yep [02:42] <sproingie> i hear it also edits text, but i think that's a scurrilous rumour [02:42] <_sasha> I'm not sure which repository to add... [02:42] <_sasha> I thought I added all of them, but mplayer doesn't appear in kynaptic [02:44] <_sasha> I added URI: http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/, Distribution: hoary-extras, Section(s): main universe multiverse restricted [02:44] <_sasha> from synaptic [02:44] <dinocore> hi [02:44] <_sasha> then hit the reload button [02:44] <dinocore> does anyone know how to enable flash for konqueror? [02:45] <_sasha> but mplayer doesn't appear anywhere (I searched for it) [02:46] <sproingie> if i google "konqueror" and "flash", am i going to find the answer? [02:46] <dinocore> well i just tried that [02:46] <dinocore> and yes and no [02:46] <dinocore> however im getting mixed answers [02:46] <dinocore> and i dont know which one to follow [02:47] <sproingie> flash in konq can tend to be unstable [02:47] <dinocore> this seems to be the best solution [02:47] <sproingie> for me it's impossible, since i run a 64bit konq [02:47] <dinocore> http://freebsd.kde.org/howtos/konqueror-flash.php [02:47] <sproingie> there ya go [02:47] <dinocore> however its talking about libflashplayer6 [02:47] <sproingie> should work fine for 7 [02:48] <sproingie> just change the names [02:48] <dinocore> you think? [02:48] <sproingie> sure [02:48] <sproingie> hasn't changed appreciably [02:48] <dinocore> alright ill try it [02:50] <dinocore> alright forget that [02:57] <sproingie> sorry it didn't work out [02:57] <sproingie> last i tried it on a 32bit system, it never worked either [02:57] <sproingie> then one day i fired up konq and flash was suddenly working [03:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I just installed flash in $HOME/.mozilla and clicked "Scan for New Plugins" in Konqueror and it worked [03:09] <dinocore> oh nice thats [03:09] <dinocore> how did you install flash? [03:09] <dinocore> did you use apt? [03:09] <flugh> flung open my trenchcoat [03:09] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Nah, I downloaded it from macromedia's website [03:10] <coolblue> IS THERE A KUBUNTU DVD!!!!!!!!!! [03:10] <coolblue> sorry for caps but im excited! [03:10] <Razor-X> hey [03:10] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yes there is [03:10] <pax> coolblue: YES!! [03:11] <Will__> coolblue: Did you look at the website? [03:11] <pax> coolblue: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/ [03:11] <flugh> my kubuntu dvd works real nice for me [03:11] <Will__> because it does have DVD on the front page [03:11] <Will__> *anger* [03:12] <Razor-X> my gtk-qt never worked [03:12] <Razor-X> then suddenly started working [03:12] <Razor-X> then, after trying GTK based WMs, it broke again ;) [03:14] <twidget> Do I need an app to burn CD/DVDs? [03:14] <coolblue> wowieeeeeeeeeeee!!!!! can someone tell me where i can find a list of packages in kubu dvd? does it have proprietary stuff too? plz answer [03:14] <apokryphos> twidget: K3B is good [03:14] <apokryphos> coolblue: it doesn't, no. [03:15] <coolblue> :(.........any list of packages somewhere on the net plz????? [03:15] <apokryphos> coolblue: it has a lot of stuff from the Universe repository, as I recall. [03:15] <twidget> k3b-i18n? [03:15] <apokryphos> you can see a lot of things under packages.ubuntu.com [03:17] <coolblue> under packages.ubuntu.com, ALL of those packages r on dvd?? [03:17] <apokryphos> coolblue: http://nginyang.uvt.nl//kubuntu/hoary/kubuntu-5.04-dvd-i386.list [03:17] <caller> Hello [03:17] <apokryphos> no, not all [03:17] <caller> I hate konversation -_- [03:17] <caller> anyway [03:17] <twidget> I've installed several package like k3b-i18n just now, without ever seeing anything show up under a menu. Is that right? [03:17] <Razor-X> I use EmacsOS on top of my Kubuntu ;) [03:18] <luminerd> anyway...I'm trying to install a window decoration theme [03:18] <apokryphos> twidget: it should be under Multimedia [03:18] <luminerd> anyone know how? [03:18] <luminerd> I got a tar.bz2 [03:18] <apokryphos> luminerd: still? :) [03:18] <twidget> ah, yes, it is [03:18] <luminerd> apokryphos: yea, I had to quit for like 3 hours due to lack of net connection [03:18] <Razor-X> I'm not sure if it can read those, i'ld just decompress it, and open the theme [03:18] <twidget> thanks [03:19] <luminerd> now I am on DSL that's worse than 56k so PLEASE don't make me download anything [03:19] <luminerd> lol [03:19] <apokryphos> luminerd: well, what was the problem? You were compiling, weren't you? [03:19] <luminerd> apokryphos: yea [03:19] <luminerd> wt... [03:19] <luminerd> now it works [03:19] <Razor-X> wt? [03:19] <luminerd> nvm no problems :P I'll tell you if there is one! [03:19] <luminerd> Razor-X: wt(f) [03:19] <Razor-X> oh :) [03:19] <Will__> gtk-qt is working, and cool. thanks for mentioning it [03:20] <luminerd> I just make and make install [03:20] <Razor-X> Will__: mine isn't, unfortunately [03:20] <apokryphos> luminerd: instructions on the actual process should be in an "INSTALL" file there [03:20] <Razor-X> I'm thinking because, when I _first_ installed Kubuntu god remembers when, I was too hasty and used some odd thing instead of the repos package [03:21] <luminerd> apokryphos: lol, a 'yes' would've sufficed :P [03:21] <Will__> Razor-X: what broke? [03:21] <apokryphos> luminerd: that file actually explains what you're doing, which is much better [03:22] <luminerd> apokryphos: but all I have left is make and make install :P [03:22] <Razor-X> Will__: I have no clue, really [03:22] <luminerd> apokryphos: lol nvm [03:22] <luminerd> I HATE SUDO!!! [03:22] <coolblue> woweeeeeeee! thx for the link! im so happyyyyyyyyyy! [03:22] <Razor-X> weird thing, I uninstalled gtk-qt, but it's still in kcontrol [03:22] <coolblue> luminerd u can easily log in as root:) [03:22] <twidget> anyway to see the /.mozilla-thunderbird/ stuff? [03:22] <Razor-X> (even though it has nothing it links to) [03:23] <twidget> nm [03:23] <apokryphos> coolblue: you shouldn't, though. [03:23] <apokryphos> luminerd: why do you hate sudo? [03:23] <luminerd> apokryphos: because su is SOOO much easier and better [03:24] <Razor-X> luminerd: ``sudo -i'' [03:24] <coolblue> i know that:) [03:24] <apokryphos> luminerd: how is it easier? Logging in/out constantly is annoying [03:24] <gnunewbie> I am running kubuntu KDE 3.4.2, installed in ubuntu. I installed kubuntu-desktop, yes. My problem is... when I reboot and login again my settings from previous session are not saved, resolution of desktop, ln -s link in /dev for modem and stuff like that. I asked this yesterday but no one knew how to correct it. What should I do? [03:24] <Will__> luminerd: why? [03:24] <thoreauputic> luminerd: what's wrong with typing sudo -i to get a root shell ? [03:24] <apokryphos> using prefix of sudo is soo much easier. [03:24] <coolblue> anyones here uses Kvirc? [03:25] <Razor-X> where are the gtk-qt config files kept at? [03:25] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: get krandrtray to remember your resolution on startup [03:26] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: unless you modify your xorg.conf to display a given resolution only [03:26] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: dpkg -L gtk2-engines-gtk-qt to see the files it installed? [03:27] <Razor-X> why is it stuck in kcontrol :( [03:27] <gnunewbie> apokryphos: what is krandrtray I don't find it in synaptic search. No I do not modify xorgconf I right click desktop and choose. Should I simple thing remove all files in home user .kde directory I am thinking some stuff got messed up when I upgraded KDE. [03:27] <Razor-X> what controls the kcontrol module list? [03:28] <gnunewbie> how do I fix the other stuff not saving like my sudo ln -s /dev modem link? that should save if root does it why does it not? [03:28] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: no, I only said the xorg.conf modification could be an option, nevermind. KRandRTray you have installed. Though... you right-click to change your resolution? How do you manage that? [03:28] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: you make a symbolic link and it's not there when you reboot? [03:28] <gnunewbie> apokryphos: you right click on desktop and change settings [03:29] <apokryphos> oh, under display, so I see [03:29] <gnunewbie> apokryphos: yes I make symbolic link in /dev as sudo and it's gone when I reboot [03:29] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: select "apply settings on KDE startup" [03:29] <gnunewbie> very strange it not saving my settings or anything [03:29] <gnunewbie> so i should delete .kde directory? [03:29] <apokryphos> strange indeed [03:29] <apokryphos> do you shutdown tidly? [03:29] <gnunewbie> apokryphos:thank you where i find that please [03:29] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: I have no idea how kde would affect that, at all [03:30] <apokryphos> right-click -> configure desktop -> Display [03:30] <gnunewbie> I shut down easy [03:30] <gnunewbie> thank you i look for that [03:30] <apokryphos> shut down easy? [03:30] <fatbrain> Hello, is there a file-explorer that looks like norton commander? left and a right pane? [03:30] <apokryphos> fatbrain: Konqueror :) [03:30] <apokryphos> though Kommander is popular, too. [03:31] <Razor-X> fatbrain: Krusader [03:31] <Razor-X> or Midnight Commander, if you want a command-line version [03:31] <apokryphos> damn, that's the name [03:31] <Razor-X> ;) [03:31] <apokryphos> You can do it perfectly in Konqueror.. which still makes me think why people use Krusader [03:31] <gnunewbie> why is it not saving symlink i try with sudo and it works but rebooting it not there [03:31] <apokryphos> (though, Kommander does exist - heh) [03:31] <Razor-X> woo, I think gtk-qt is working ;) [03:32] <Razor-X> apokryphos: you can? [03:32] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: are you shutting down tidily? [03:32] <apokryphos> Razor-X: yes, of course. :) [03:32] <gnunewbie> apokryphos: how do you mean tidily? [03:32] <luminerd> crap [03:32] <luminerd> gtg [03:32] <luminerd> ttyl [03:32] <luminerd> thanks for the help guys. [03:32] <Razor-X> apokryphos: how so? [03:32] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: KStart -> Log Out [03:32] <apokryphos> Razor-X: under Window [03:32] <gnunewbie> apokryphos: yes I log out and select turn off computer [03:33] <gnunewbie> apokryphos: this is the only kubuntu system I have with this issue the other kubuntu systems work fine [03:33] <fatbrain> Razor-X: thanks [03:33] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: what other settings doesn't it keep? [03:34] <fatbrain> another question, is there a good ssh/scp client? [03:34] <gnunewbie> apokryphos: i try your resolution saving feature, other than that... symlink not saved, and i dont remember what other setting not saved, that must be it [03:34] <Will__> uh, ssh? [03:34] <apokryphos> fatbrain: the symbolic link is likely getting removed for some reason on startup, though I have no idea why [03:34] <fatbrain> Razor-X: Krusader was exactly the app I was looking for [03:34] <apokryphos> fatbrain: not related to KDE at all. You could ask in #ubuntu too [03:35] <apokryphos> fatbrain: erm, what's wrong with Konqueror? [03:35] <gnunewbie> apokryphos: you are reply to wrong person [03:35] <apokryphos> whoop [03:35] <Razor-X> hmmm, what's a GTK app? [03:35] <gnunewbie> apokryphos: maybe I thinking should be root user not only sudo but real root to make symlink? [03:35] <fatbrain> apokryphos: prefering some file manager over another doesnt imply that there is something wrong in Konqueor [03:35] <apokryphos> sorry fatbrain -> gnunewbie ...except last point. [03:35] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: no [03:36] <gnunewbie> apokryphos: if it not keeping symlink should it mean i be hacked? [03:36] <apokryphos> fatbrain: I know, but why would you use Krusader over Konq? Purely out of interest, I'm not attacking. [03:36] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: no. Could be a setting somewhere or something; don't know. [03:36] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: try #ubuntu [03:36] <Razor-X> apokryphos: .......................... [03:36] <gnunewbie> apokryphos: my friend, i thank you [03:36] <apokryphos> Razor-X: ? [03:36] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: np :) [03:37] <Razor-X> there's a whole lot more to Midnight Commander/Total Commander/Krusader than just splitting the window vertically [03:37] <apokryphos> Razor-X: ok, so what else? [03:37] <Razor-X> apokryphos: hahahaha ;) [03:37] <Razor-X> the key shortcuts [03:37] <Razor-X> the built-in viewers [03:37] <fatbrain> apokryphos: I'm using xplorer2 on my windows workstation, and I like the ability to edit on pressing F4 [03:37] <Razor-X> fatbrain: you've never used Total Commander?! [03:37] <fatbrain> Krusader looks very similar to explorer2 [03:38] <fatbrain> no [03:38] <Razor-X> o_O [03:38] <apokryphos> Razor-X: Konqueror being a universal viewing application would evidently be better in that area at least... [03:38] <Razor-X> apokryphos: Krusader uses the same universal points as Konqueror does [03:38] <apokryphos> gravy [03:38] <apokryphos> it can embed the same things? [03:38] <Razor-X> a whole new program wasn't created just to split a window in half ;) [03:38] <Razor-X> apokryphos: yeah :) [03:39] <apokryphos> Razor-X: I never implied that [03:39] <Razor-X> fatbrain: Total Commander is much more feature-rich, and much more akin to the original Total Commander/Midnight Commander [03:39] <Razor-X> apokryphos: that's all the Window menu allows you to do [03:39] <apokryphos> if it's for the key-shortcuts... erm, odd point, since Konqueror easily customizes shortcuts [03:40] <fatbrain> Razor-X: I don't nead feature-rich... I like xplorer2 very well [03:40] <fatbrain> you ever used xplorer2? [03:40] <apokryphos> Razor-X: I only referenced the Window as proof that you can have split windows. Few know that, surprisingly [03:40] <Razor-X> fatbrain: did I mention that Total Commander is half the footprint, and much more stable than Xplorer2? :) [03:40] <apokryphos> Krusader looks really X-ish to me, rather than KDE [03:41] <apokryphos> Razor-X: erm, krusader doesn't use kioslaves? [03:41] <fatbrain> Razor-X: http://zabkat.com/ [03:41] <fatbrain> not the old Xplorer2 app, this is a new one [03:41] <Razor-X> fatbrain: what's the footprint on it? [03:42] <apokryphos> Razor-X: and, for embedding, do I have to enable an option? Doesn't seem to do it by default [03:42] <Razor-X> embedding? :) [03:42] <fatbrain> let me check [03:42] <Razor-X> s/nowadys/nowadays/ [03:42] <apokryphos> Razor-X: how else does it plan on being a universal viewing application? :) [03:42] <apokryphos> and no kioslaves is a huge downer, though :{ [03:43] <Razor-X> the Ubuntu URW Palladio font needs to get fixed [03:43] <fatbrain> Razor-X: consumes 10mb of ram, the PE is 640kb [03:43] <Razor-X> fatbrain: o_O [03:43] <fatbrain> Razor-X: I must add that I've enabled all the "resource-hog" toggles available as well [03:43] <Razor-X> that's more RAM than my other computer came with, total [03:44] <Razor-X> (1/4th of the RAM currently in it) [03:44] <fatbrain> I'm to lazy to do a "default"-settings test [03:44] <Razor-X> Total Commander uses 2 (IIRC), an excellent app :) [03:44] <fatbrain> anyway, total commander didnt supply screenshots, so I threw the website out the window [03:44] <Razor-X> hahahahaha [03:44] <Razor-X> google ``Total Commander screenshots'' [03:44] <Razor-X> :) [03:46] <fatbrain> that's no good, the publisher should provide screenshots... end-of-story :P [03:47] <Razor-X> fatbrain: you don't use CLI much, do you? :) [03:47] <fatbrain> I do [03:47] <fatbrain> hehe, making assumptions are we [03:47] <Razor-X> how much? [03:47] <fatbrain> every day [03:47] <Razor-X> how long? [03:47] <fatbrain> I don't clock the time I spend CLI-wise [03:48] <fatbrain> 2hours perhaps [03:48] <Razor-X> I almost never leave CLI :) [03:48] <fatbrain> ok [03:48] <fatbrain> ... you'r so 1999 :P [03:48] <Razor-X> wow, there's no mc in Ubuntu o_O [03:48] <Razor-X> fatbrain: I was 9 then ;) [03:48] <fatbrain> that would make you... what? 28now? [03:49] <Razor-X> no, it would make me 15 XD [03:49] <jhufnage> maybe just fatfingers [03:49] <fatbrain> Razor-X: you've tried the gui-experience right? [03:50] <Razor-X> yeah, I have [03:50] <fatbrain> you'r not one of the bonified cli-orges are ya? [03:50] <fatbrain> and your take on it? [03:50] <Razor-X> it's nice if you like the GUI, I guess [03:50] <apokryphos> CLI is great; not good for viewing images. [03:50] <Razor-X> to me, words and phrases come more intuitively, so I prefer CLI [03:50] <Razor-X> yes, I use GUI for a few things [03:50] <jhufnage> sometimes cli is the fastest way to get things done [03:50] <fatbrain> they both have their uses [03:51] <apokryphos> Precisely. [03:51] <Razor-X> PDF Viewing, DVI Viewing, Image Viewing, and Tux Racer :) [03:51] <fatbrain> I don't prefer one over the other [03:51] <apokryphos> Ignoring either one altogether on Linux atm is a little silly [03:51] <fatbrain> Tux Racer... what the hell is that? [03:52] <Razor-X> it's a kickass game :) [03:52] <fatbrain> omg, super-crap on telly and I don't have the remote close at hand... [03:52] <fatbrain> this will be the end of me [03:53] <fatbrain> ffs, bbiab [03:53] <Razor-X> Face Feminization Surgery? [03:53] <Razor-X> *looks quizically at fatbrain* [03:54] <fatbrain> yeah, something like that... the pg-13 version anyway [03:54] <Razor-X> meh [03:54] <Razor-X> what does feminizing your face have to do with PG-13? [03:54] <fatbrain> not much [03:56] <fatbrain> I should have said "more pg-13" [03:56] <Razor-X> so, you need to shave, or something? [03:57] <Razor-X> or for some odd reason angularize the build of your face slightly....? XD [03:58] <fatbrain> Razor-X: for f**** sake [03:58] <fatbrain> I was cursing at mi telly [03:58] <fatbrain> I had to get up walk to it and change the channel... that took me like 15seconds [03:59] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Is that the so-called "effort" I heard so much about? [04:00] <fatbrain> yeah, it is [04:00] <fatbrain> I'm trying to build the Krusader, but I lack some requirement libs [04:01] <apokryphos> fatbrain: it's in the repositories [04:01] <apokryphos> !info krusader [04:01] <ubotu> krusader: (File Manager for KDE), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 1.51-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1671 kB, Installed size: 4464 kB [04:03] <fatbrain> apokryphos: yeah, I noticed, but I don't want the 1.51-1 version I want the 1.60 [04:03] <apokryphos> ok [04:04] <fatbrain> too bad they don't update the repo straight away [04:04] <apokryphos> fatbrain: what libs are you missing? [04:04] <fatbrain> qt-mt, but I think I have it sorted now [04:04] <fatbrain> I'll soon find out if it works [04:05] <fatbrain> I'm running this shite of my laptop, so everything is running in slowmo [04:05] <apokryphos> you need the libqt3-mt-dev or something [04:05] <apokryphos> for Qt includes [04:06] <fatbrain> yes [04:06] <fatbrain> and I need KDE headers... [04:06] <fatbrain> kdebase-dev? [04:07] <apokryphos> kde-devel [04:07] <fatbrain> aha [04:08] <fatbrain> moving on to something completely different: in Konqueor, how do I enable javascript debugging for KHTML? [04:09] <fatbrain> or is there some konqueor dedicated channel on freenode+ [04:09] <fatbrain> ? [04:10] <apokryphos> There is #kde but it's always a good idea to look through Configure Konqueror first :) [04:11] <fatbrain> hm, I've been browsing the settings... [04:11] <fatbrain> Ill check again [04:11] <apokryphos> javascript section -> enable debugger [04:12] <apokryphos> may want "report errors" on too [04:12] <fatbrain> sweetness [04:12] <fatbrain> how did I miss that [04:15] <fatbrain> hm... more errors [04:15] <Will__> javascript errors all the time [04:16] <fatbrain> na, the Krusader build [04:16] <apokryphos> fatbrain: no use mentioning there's errors without telling us them :) [04:16] <Will__> I wasn't talking to YOU [04:16] <Will__> <-was [04:17] <fatbrain> well, when I run make I get a "cd . && aclocal-1.9 command not found" error [04:17] <fatbrain> Will__: ofcourse you were :P [04:17] <fatbrain> of course* [04:25] <hater2win> mlaaah [04:25] <hater2win> just got off the PS2 after playing like 7 hours of madden [04:27] <fatbrain> madden... what's that? [04:27] <fatbrain> hockey? [04:32] <hater2win> lol [04:32] <hater2win> football [04:34] <apokryphos> fatbrain: did you export the QTDIR and KDEDIR variables? Seems to use those, even though the latter is obsolete [04:35] <fatbrain> no, I don't know what to set them to [04:36] <apokryphos> KDEDIR is $(kde-config --prefix) which is /usr in Kubuntu. QTDIR is /usr/lib/qt3 [04:37] <fatbrain> ok, I'll try that, thanks [04:38] <fatbrain> do I set them by using "set KDEDIR=/bleh/" ?? [04:38] <apokryphos> no, just do export KDEDIR=/usr && export QTDIR /usr/lib/qt3 [04:38] <apokryphos> then just configure --prefix=/usr [04:40] <apokryphos> new krusader looks just as bad :P [04:42] <apokryphos> 'night everyone :) [04:42] <hater2win> lol [04:43] <hater2win> check this out [04:43] <hater2win> its awesome [04:43] <hater2win> my very first pop up in Linux [04:43] <hater2win> and look what it is [04:43] <hater2win> http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6403/snapshot63cl.png [04:45] <fatbrain> apokryphos: '/usr/lib/qt3': not a valid identifier <-- got this error message when I ran the cmd line [04:46] <hater2win> fatbrain, what problem are you having? [04:47] <fatbrain> ah, nevermind, I think I found out whats wrong [04:47] <fatbrain> missing = between QTDIR and /usr/lib/qt4 [04:47] <fatbrain> 3 [04:48] <moshe> hello [04:48] <moshe> does anyone here have dvdrip installed? [04:48] <fatbrain> dvdrip? [04:48] <fatbrain> what's that? [04:50] <moshe> it's a perl-gtk1 frontend to transcode that's muy useful [04:50] <moshe> and I can't seem to get it installed because I don't have transcode in any of the depositories in my apt sources.list [04:51] <moshe> and I can't figure out how to get past this, no matter how much I google. [04:51] <moshe> all I find are people coming up with some really sloppy solutions that I don't want to use or I'll have problems when it's time to upgrade. [04:52] <moshe> so far, in the 6 weeks or so of running kubuntu, this is the only thing that bugs me. [05:04] <Tribune> hi... kan i use sudo app-get install koffice using terminal? [05:06] <milksteak> yes [05:06] <milksteak> should be able too [05:06] <milksteak> well [05:06] <milksteak> apt-get [05:06] <Tribune> i'll try now [05:06] <milksteak> and moshe, I've got dvdrip and transcode installed [05:07] <milksteak> could give you my sources.list [05:07] <moshe> please do [05:07] <milksteak> hold a sec [05:08] <milksteak> it's pretty much just the one that's on ubuntuguide.org [05:08] <milksteak> with one for Wine [05:08] <moshe> I copied mine straight from the ubuntu guide [05:08] <milksteak> same [05:08] <milksteak> did apt-get update? [05:08] <moshe> do I need backports and marillat enabled together? [05:08] <moshe> yes, I did [05:09] <moshe> I apt-get update practically every day just to make sure everything is up to date. [05:09] <milksteak> marillat? [05:09] <milksteak> bleh [05:09] <milksteak> I dunno [05:09] <moshe> how do you want to send me your list? [05:09] <milksteak> uh [05:09] <milksteak> I'll dcc it [05:09] <milksteak> hold on [05:09] <moshe> ok [05:10] <moshe> does anyone know how to get gtk1 apps to use smaller fonts? [05:14] <moshe> brb [05:17] <superx10> anyone have an idea what an appropriate glxgears framerate would be for a GeForce FX 5200? [05:21] <hater2win> is there a way to move only the contents of a folder, not the folder itself? [05:21] <hater2win> like lets say i have a folder with 12 pictures in it and i want to move only the pictures somewhere else [05:22] <superx10> well if the folder isnt protected, couldnt you just copy and paste them? [05:23] <hater2win> well [05:23] <hater2win> the folder i have the stuff in [05:23] <hater2win> isnt protect [05:23] <hater2win> the folder i want to copy to [05:23] <hater2win> is [05:26] <moshe> milksteak, you da man [05:26] <moshe> I don't know what the problem was. I thought I had tried this with backports before, but now it works. [05:30] <superx10> actually hater2win, what would happen if you opened up a console, typed [05:30] <superx10> sudo konqueror [05:30] <superx10> and then copied and pasted [05:31] <superx10> cause then konqueror would have root... stuff.. you know? [05:58] <luminerd> Where are the files for KDE Splash files for Kubuntu? [06:10] <hater2win> supernix: oooooooh [06:11] <luminerd> no one around, huh? [06:11] <hater2win> buhh [06:11] <hater2win> go here [06:11] <hater2win> kde-look.org [06:11] <hater2win> and look under splash screens [06:11] <hater2win> you're bound to find it somewhere [06:13] <luminerd> hater2win: I'm there...It varies by distro though. [06:14] <hater2win> luminerd: chances are if you find a .deb package you might be able to check its install path [06:15] <luminerd> hater2win: uhh...I don't do .deb's. lol [06:23] <hater2win> lol, well that sucks... [06:24] <luminerd> hater2win: or anyone else: do you know what that thing is that happens when you mouse over the K button and can you get rid of it? It's that thing that says: "K Menu: Click here to browse and start applications" [06:25] <hater2win> uhhh [06:25] <seth_k> yep [06:25] <seth_k> right click panel > configure [06:25] <hater2win> you have to disable tool tips [06:25] <seth_k> appearance tab [06:25] <hater2win> in the config panel [06:25] <seth_k> uncheck Enable icon mouseover effects [06:26] <luminerd> thanks!!! [06:26] <luminerd> do you guys know how to change my K-Menu's icon? [06:26] <seth_k> sure [06:27] <luminerd> willing to tell me? [06:27] <luminerd> lol [06:27] <seth_k> typing :P [06:27] <seth_k> /usr/share/icons/<theme>/apps/48x48/kmenu.png [06:27] <seth_k> replace 48x48 with the icon size you want to change [06:27] <seth_k> and <theme> with the theme you're using [06:27] <luminerd> ah, ok, thought you were just saying "sure I know" [06:27] <luminerd> lol [06:28] <seth_k> oops, and swap "apps" and "48x48" [06:28] <seth_k> so it's 48x48/apps/ [06:28] <luminerd> thanks [06:28] <luminerd> :D [06:28] <luminerd> seth_k: hmmm [06:28] <luminerd> my theme's not there [06:29] <seth_k> check ~/.icons then [06:29] <luminerd> seth_k: doesn't exist [06:29] <seth_k> double hmmm [06:29] <seth_k> :P [06:29] <seth_k> ~/.kde/share/icons ? [06:30] <luminerd> seth_k: that's it :D [06:30] <luminerd> so it uses the 48x48 one for the k menu? [06:30] <seth_k> luminerd, it depends on what your panel size is set at [06:30] <seth_k> but usually 48x48 [06:31] <luminerd> I see [06:31] <luminerd> ok [06:31] <luminerd> thanks [06:31] <luminerd> seth_k: does gimp have a pakcage [06:31] <luminerd> ? [06:31] <seth_k> or maybe Kubuntu default is 32x32? change them all :P [06:31] <seth_k> !info gimp [06:31] <luminerd> like apt-get or w/e? [06:31] <luminerd> heh ok [06:31] <ubotu> gimp: (The GNU Image Manipulation Program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.2.8-1ubuntu1~5.04ubp1 (hoary), Packaged size: 2912 kB, Installed size: 7888 kB [06:31] <luminerd> cool [06:31] <luminerd> thanks [06:32] <luminerd> dang this install will take ages on this speed [06:33] <hater2win> luminerd: sudo apt-get install gimp [06:33] <hater2win> thats all i did [06:36] <luminerd> seth_k: if I put a image that is bigger than 48 wide will there be issues? [06:36] <luminerd> I'd like to make a wide image [06:36] <seth_k> luminerd, for the K menu it should resize automagically, but i've never tried with a non-square image [06:36] <seth_k> just make sure and cp kmenu.png kmenu.png.bak [06:36] <seth_k> :P [06:37] <luminerd> seth_k: eh, ok [06:37] <hater2win> does anybody know how to make icon themes? [06:37] <hater2win> like, if i created icons [06:38] <hater2win> how would i make them into a theme? [06:38] <hater2win> or not make them into a theme [06:38] <hater2win> but use them to make a theme [06:38] <seth_k> look at the index.theme file of any theme [06:38] <seth_k> you'll see how they're structured [06:38] <seth_k> basically it's all in the filesystem structure [06:38] <seth_k> and then a bit of index.theme magic [06:39] <hater2win> hmm [06:39] <hater2win> interesting [06:40] <luminerd> Is there a way to make the buttons on the taskbar bigger? as it is there are three per column, I'd rather have two per column and have them larger...they are so thin. [06:40] <luminerd> Is there a way to make the buttons on the taskbar bigger? as it is there are three per column, I'd rather have two per column and have them larger...they are so thin. [06:40] <luminerd> oops [06:40] <luminerd> sorry [06:40] <hater2win> heh [06:47] <luminerd> so? [06:47] <luminerd> nobody knows? :( [06:47] <hater2win> oh [06:47] <hater2win> uhh [06:47] <hater2win> you mean like [06:48] <hater2win> oh [06:48] <hater2win> hmm [06:48] <hater2win> no [06:48] <hater2win> let me check [06:49] <luminerd> heh [06:49] <luminerd> ok [06:49] <luminerd> thank you [06:50] <luminerd> !info xchat [06:50] <ubotu> xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.4.1-0.1ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 248 kB, Installed size: 672 kB [06:51] <hater2win> hmm [06:51] <hater2win> im not finding anything [06:51] <hater2win> im sure it can be done though [06:52] <luminerd> ok [06:52] <luminerd> I'll ask when more people are here [06:53] <luminerd> I have used KDE with a lot of different distros, and I've never seen the buttons so small as with kubuntu. I can barely read the text, and worse, OLD PEOPLE will be using these pcs! [06:53] <luminerd> lol [06:53] <hater2win> lol [06:53] <hater2win> well [06:53] <hater2win> if you go to tthe control center [06:53] <hater2win> and then hit [06:54] <hater2win> "Look and feel" [06:54] <hater2win> hit font [06:54] <hater2win> and then [06:54] <hater2win> it will give you an option to increase the size of the Taskbar font [06:54] <sirukin> old people need to buy some fucking glasses then. [06:54] <hater2win> even change the entire font [06:54] <hater2win> that might change the size of each button as well [06:54] <luminerd> sirukin: consider yourself ignored, you ageist animal. [06:55] <sirukin> good. [06:55] <luminerd> thanks hater2win where is this in the control center? [06:55] <hater2win> Appearance & Themes > Fonts > Taskbar Font [06:57] <arcanistherogue> hey guys, how do i make it so that icons on the desktop and in konqueror need to be double clicked? [06:58] <luminerd> Haha, that was my next question arcanistherogue [06:58] <luminerd> Yes I'd like to know as well [06:58] <hater2win> lol [06:58] <arcanistherogue> :D [06:58] <hater2win> let me check on that [06:58] <arcanistherogue> well i just reformatted [06:58] <arcanistherogue> and i forgot how O_o [06:58] <hater2win> did that solution work for you luminerd ??? [06:59] <luminerd> hater2win, to which what? [06:59] <hater2win> taskbar font [06:59] <luminerd> hater2win, oh, whereabouts is it? Can't find ti [06:59] <luminerd> it, even [06:59] <hater2win> Hit the "start" button [06:59] <hater2win> then go to Control Center [07:00] <hater2win> then click Appearance and Themes [07:00] <hater2win> then Fonts [07:00] <hater2win> and you can see where it has the option to change the taskbar font [07:00] <oneman> howdy [07:00] <luminerd> hater2win, oh, appearance and themes [07:00] <luminerd> thanks [07:00] <oneman> i got a fresh install, if I want all the dev stuff so i can compile things, what do i need to apt-get ? [07:01] <luminerd> hater2win, oh wow...made the font huge and now the font overlaps the other buttons >_< [07:01] <luminerd> the buttons are still small though [07:01] <hater2win> luminerd: lol, that sucks, i had a feeling that might happen too =/ [07:02] <luminerd> dang [07:02] <luminerd> kde's kinda buggy for the most popular wm [07:02] <luminerd> lol [07:02] <arcanistherogue> i thought gnome was [07:02] <arcanistherogue> and i love KDE [07:02] <arcanistherogue> :D [07:03] <luminerd> I just don't like them [07:03] <luminerd> they are too...err, windowsy [07:04] <luminerd> I don't like the idea of a taskbar [07:04] <hater2win> arcanistherogue: i found your way to change the way things open [07:04] <luminerd> I like utilizing my pageflipping and virtual desktops [07:04] <arcanistherogue> sweet! [07:04] <arcanistherogue> how now brown cow? [07:05] <hater2win> arcanistherogue: Go the the "Start Meny" then go to control center. Open up the PERIPHERALS menu and then click MOUSE. When you do that, where it says "Icons" a little but down, change it to "Double-click to open files/folders" [07:05] <hater2win> menu* [07:05] <hater2win> lol [07:06] <arcanistherogue> :D thanks alot dude! [07:06] <luminerd> w00t!!! [07:06] <luminerd> yes thanks [07:06] <hater2win> np np [07:06] <arcanistherogue> its like christmas in july. [07:06] <hater2win> lol [07:06] <arcanistherogue> and what was that command to enable root, and set a root password? [07:06] <arcanistherogue> wasnt it like sudo passwd root? [07:07] <luminerd> wtc [07:07] <hater2win> yes [07:07] <luminerd> my little rollover came back [07:07] <arcanistherogue> oh ok [07:07] <arcanistherogue> yeah, it works :D [07:07] <arcanistherogue> hey dude, i have a question with firefos [07:07] <arcanistherogue> I have installed 1.0.6 many times [07:07] <arcanistherogue> but whenever i close the firefox windows [07:07] <arcanistherogue> *window [07:08] <arcanistherogue> then i open a new one via KMenu>Internet>Firefox [07:08] <arcanistherogue> it is 1.0.2, the one that comes with the base ubuntu instal.. [07:08] <arcanistherogue> whats up with that? [07:08] <hater2win> when you install firefox manually, it doesnt go into the window by itself [07:08] <hater2win> basically [07:08] <arcanistherogue> oh [07:08] <hater2win> you have 2 installations of it on your computer [07:08] <arcanistherogue> oh poo [07:08] <arcanistherogue> how do i replace the kmenu one [07:08] <luminerd> how do you get rid of that horrible thing that shows up when you mouse over the K menu again? [07:09] <arcanistherogue> ITS NOT HORRIBLE O_O [07:09] <arcanistherogue> its bueatiful :D [07:09] <arcanistherogue> its all scrolly... and kdey.... [07:09] <luminerd> O_o [07:09] <arcanistherogue> >_> [07:09] <arcanistherogue> <_< [07:09] <hater2win> arcanistherogue: is you know where you installed it to you can right click on the current firefox icon you have and hit "EDit ITem" and change the path to firefox [07:10] <hater2win> luminerd: earlier, that guy told you wrong i think [07:10] <hater2win> who was it? [07:10] <arcanistherogue> k [07:10] <hater2win> steh [07:10] <hater2win> seth [07:10] <luminerd> hater2win, dont remember, sorry, don't have my queue since I switched clients [07:10] <arcanistherogue> work path? [07:10] <hater2win> luminerd: right click on the task bar and hit CONFIGURE PANEL [07:11] <hater2win> go to the APPEARANCE tab [07:11] <luminerd> oh yea! [07:11] <luminerd> lol [07:11] <luminerd> thanks [07:11] <hater2win> and uncheck "Enable Icon" and "Show Toolstips" [07:11] <luminerd> I wonder how that got reenabled [07:11] <luminerd> what are tooltips? [07:11] <hater2win> those things you hate =) [07:11] <luminerd> ah [07:11] <hater2win> arcanistherogue: no not work path [07:12] <hater2win> where it says "Command" [07:12] <arcanistherogue> eh....i went to the one in kmenu, right clicked > edit item... [07:12] <hater2win> if there is anything in work path, delete it [07:12] <arcanistherogue> k [07:14] <arcanistherogue> oh yeah, and how do i get it to play mp3s again? [07:14] <arcanistherogue> apt get install win32codecs? [07:15] <hater2win> !info win32codecs [07:15] <arcanistherogue> i think i got it, w32codecs [07:15] <arcanistherogue> k [07:15] <hater2win> !info w32codecs [07:15] <ubotu> w32codecs: (win32 binary codecs), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1:20050216-0.0 (hoary), Packaged size: 12869 kB, Installed size: 31008 kB [07:15] <luminerd> bleh [07:16] <arcanistherogue> hmmm... what do you guys think the best P2P client is for linux/ubuntu? I use LimeWire, but are there better ones? [07:16] <hater2win> *shrug* i just use torrents for everything [07:16] <arcanistherogue> meh. [07:17] <arcanistherogue> to each man his own. [07:17] <hater2win> indeed indeed [07:17] <hater2win> http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/5549/snapshot58up.png [07:17] <arcanistherogue> fuck....i dont think this has mp3 codecs, it keeps jumping through my playlists until it hits the end... [07:17] <arcanistherogue> :D [07:18] <arcanistherogue> aw [07:18] <arcanistherogue> that little tux [07:18] <arcanistherogue> is cute as hell [07:18] <hater2win> lol yeah [07:18] <arcanistherogue> hes just a cute little bugger. [07:18] <arcanistherogue> i made a glossy tux avatar like that [07:18] <arcanistherogue> like that gentoo tux [07:18] <hater2win> heh yeah [07:18] <arcanistherogue> do you have a link to that wallpaper? [07:19] <hater2win> let me find it [07:20] <hater2win> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=21501 [07:21] <arcanistherogue> nice. [07:21] <fatbrain> what gtk theme should I use? [07:25] <hater2win> fatbrain: *shrug* [07:25] <hater2win> kde-looks.org [07:25] <hater2win> err [07:25] <hater2win> http://www.kde-look.org [07:26] <fatbrain> if I have some package installed that have unmet dependencies, any way to fix that? [07:26] <seth_k|away> install the deps? [07:27] <fatbrain> how? [07:28] <hater2win> which ones are missing? [07:29] <fatbrain> libc6 [07:29] <fatbrain> among other [07:29] <fatbrain> s [07:29] <hater2win> how many others? [07:30] <hater2win> !info libc6 [07:30] <ubotu> libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 (hoary), Packaged size: 4708 kB, Installed size: 15416 kB
 http://ninux.net/files/foo1.png </brag> [07:30] <hater2win> try sudo apt-get install libc6 [07:31] <fatbrain> doesn't work, , that's when I get the error message [07:33] <hater2win> hmm [07:33] <fatbrain> I'll just remove the package with the unmet dependencies [07:33] <luminerd> gtg bye thanks for all help [07:35] <fatbrain> kde-look should update their internet-connection, alteast so it's beyond 56k. The website is slow as hell now [07:35] <hater2win> works fine for me... [07:36] <fatbrain> it's not superslow? [07:37] <hater2win> no.. [07:37] <fatbrain> how gay [07:37] <fatbrain> kde-look has always been slow for me [07:38] <fatbrain> and I don't know why [07:38] <c0rrupt_> oohk .. anyone alive [07:38] <c0rrupt_> can someone name a good ftp server [07:41] <thoreauputic> c0rrupt_: pure-ftpd is simple and seems to work well [07:41] <pax> apt-cache search ftp server [07:42] <c0rrupt_> just installed wu-ftp [07:42] <c0rrupt_> ;\ [07:42] <pax> good choice. [07:42] <c0rrupt_> :-D [07:43] <thoreauputic> pure-ftp also has a GUI administration front end called pureadmin [07:44] <pax> what ver you installed? [07:44] <c0rrupt_> gona root me? [07:44] <thoreauputic> pax: was that for c0rrupt_ [07:44] <pax> yes thoreauputic, no c0rrupt_ [07:45] <thoreauputic> c0rrupt_: yeah we are all black hats in here *grin* [07:45] <c0rrupt_> LOL [07:45] <c0rrupt_> the latest.. [07:45] <c0rrupt_> i hope [07:45] <c0rrupt_> ;x [07:46] <pax> yeah check http://www.wu-ftpd.org/ to make sure you're up-to-date [07:52] <hater2win> ok, what exactly is the kicker [07:52] <hater2win> is it the "system tray" kind of thing [07:52] <hater2win> or wtf [07:53] <hater2win> i hear people talk about it likes its magic or something and i wanna know wtf its alla bout [07:53] <c0rrupt_> all of it [07:53] <c0rrupt_> it is magic [07:53] <c0rrupt_> linux is magic [07:53] <hater2win> so [07:53] <hater2win> its the taskbar then? [07:53] <hater2win> thats what the kicker is [07:53] <c0rrupt_> yea [07:54] <coolblue> hi how do i rstore home settings? [07:55] <coolblue> hi how do i restore home settings? [07:55] <hater2win> RTFM! [07:55] <hater2win> lol [07:55] <hater2win> kidding [07:55] <hater2win> kidding [07:55] <hater2win> coolblue: what do you mean restore? [07:57] <coolblue> i mean while reinstalling kubuntu, i made a backup of home, reinstalled kubuntu, formatted home, now i want my firefox & konq data to come back, is this possible? [07:58] <coolblue> yes??? [07:58] <ms12> how did youb back up [07:58] <hater2win> yeh, how did you back it up [07:58] <coolblue> i copied entire home to a seperate part.. [07:58] <coolblue> partition [07:59] <coolblue> yes?? [07:59] <ms12> mm it might [07:59] <ms12> depends if you copied all hidden files? [07:59] <coolblue> yes i can see ALL hidden files there. [07:59] <coolblue> its possible:) [07:59] <ms12> use the same user name [07:59] <coolblue> same [07:59] <ms12> with same permissions [07:59] <ms12> and it will work [07:59] <coolblue> ?? [08:00] <coolblue> same permissions?? how do i set that? [08:00] <hater2win> same user with same permissions [08:00] <hater2win> read/right/executre [08:00] <hater2win> did you ever change them? [08:00] <ms12> if you used the default then you are safe [08:00] <coolblue> nope...i dont think..i just created my own user as i always do.... [08:00] <coolblue> same username everytime [08:00] <hater2win> oh, then yeah should be a easy copy over [08:01] <coolblue> no other users [08:01] <hater2win> drag/drop? lol [08:01] <coolblue> should i overwrite? [08:01] <ms12> i do not know though if you should do that while you are the same user? [08:01] <coolblue> yeah same user.... [08:02] <ms12> i would recommend you make a new user give him permissions then do the copy [08:02] <coolblue> ok i'll see.....thanx:) [08:02] <coolblue> one more thing....i made a new user just now.... [08:02] <ms12> make him adminstrator [08:02] <ms12> will make your life easier then you can remove him later [08:03] <coolblue> and when i login with that user...i can see my own files.but when i login as myself i cant see my own files! [08:05] <hater2win> did you change the permissions for "that" user [08:05] <coolblue> no....i created him with kuser [08:06] <coolblue> i mean i created new user...say x..i login as x..i can see & write my coolblue files..ok...then i login as coolblue...and i cant even see x"s files! [08:06] <hussam> Is it currently safe to upgrade to Breezy? is there anything I have to exit like xorg.conf as well? [08:06] <hussam> sorry I meant edit* [08:07] <coolblue> anyone used kubuntu dvd here???????/ [08:07] <coolblue> i don't think u need to edit xorg.conf hussam [08:08] <hussam> but it is currently safe to upgrade? how stable is breezy now? [08:08] <ms12> hussam log in to ubuntu room [08:08] <hussam> ok [08:08] <ms12> it say there do not use breezy yet [08:08] <ms12> last time i heared x is still broken [08:09] <hussam> is it still broken? [08:13] <ms12> hussam do not rush to upgrades wait till it is tested and proven stable [08:15] <hussam> ms12: I'm trying to think ahead. October will not be a good time for me to upgrade. I'll wait till the end of this month and upgrade. [08:15] <hussam> should be stable by the end of this month I presume. [08:15] <ms12> you can always upgrade hussam do not risk a good operating sys till it is tested [08:16] <TN> hello, how can I find my UID and GID? [08:17] <bigGrim> hi... can install kubuntu from the livecd after first testing with my system? [08:17] <hussam> ms12: the thing is that I have a slow connection and when College starts in October, I won't have time to upgrade. September would be really better for me. If I don't get that over in September, I'll have to put off the upgrade till January. [08:19] <hater2win> bigGrim: you can't install from the live cd. need the install cd [08:19] <ms12> i see your point then good luck then my friend [08:24] <hussam> ms12: I wish the Brezzy Kubuntu DVD would available for download from ftp. It would really help me if they did that. [08:25] <ms12> hussam when you install breezy just add the repos [08:25] <ms12> and then type sudo aptitude update [08:26] <ms12> and sudo aptitude upgrade-dist i thinki [08:26] <ms12> i have to look it up [08:27] <ms12> sudo dist-upgrade [08:27] <ms12> you do not need to download the whole dvd [08:27] <gnunewbie> hi I have fonts resizing themselves in k start button menu, tips randomly starting and not starting upon load of konsole, settings not saving on reboot, and /dev symlink to modem not saved after reboot, what should I do [08:30] <gnunewbie> is this a kubuntu help channel? [08:31] <ms12> gnunewbie you post your question if some one can help they will my friend [08:31] <ms12> otherwise just assume no one know [08:31] <ms12> try the wiki it might be a bug and you might find a solution there [08:31] <gnunewbie> okie [08:31] <gnunewbie> thank you [08:37] <EvanCarroll> I just upgraded to breezy and took notice to the fact that glxgears is missing [08:37] <hater2win> gixgears? [08:37] <EvanCarroll> are they in another pkg? i need glxinfo [08:38] <hater2win> !info gixgears [08:38] <hater2win> err [08:39] <EvanCarroll> gLxgears [08:39] <EvanCarroll> !info glxgears [08:39] <hater2win> !info gl_xgears [08:39] <hater2win> LOL [08:39] <EvanCarroll> hrm stupid infobot [08:39] <hater2win> man... im sleepy [08:39] <EvanCarroll> it usually comes with X [08:39] <EvanCarroll> /x11r6/bin [08:50] <lindsay> hello does anyone know any repositories for extra packages? [08:50] <milksteak> ubuntuguide.org has a good list [08:51] <lindsay> thanks [10:20] <equex> what do i do if i need to use konqueror as root? when i try, it complains about ksocket_equex is not uid 0 etc..i got tons of files i need to move manually as root. [10:44] <markc> which .gtkrc files would openoffice2 use to determine the menu font size ? [10:57] <verwilst> equex: kdesu konqueror? [11:28] <equex> verwilst: oh right, coulda done that i suppose. i ended up just chmodding the stuff anyway [11:28] <verwilst> :p [11:33] <seaLne> anyone use kdevelop? [11:34] <seaLne> in breezy it dosen't give me a list of licenses to choose from [12:10] <n> Anybody here got a USB scanner working under kubuntu? [12:13] <hussam> Riddell: Will a preview release of Kubuntu-Breezy be released in September or is that only for Ubuntu-Breezy? [12:20] <hettar> is breezy usable yet ? [12:22] <hussam> hettar: I'm being told it won't be stable at least enough till the end of this month, [12:23] <hettar> hmmm [12:23] <hettar> thanks [12:23] <PieD> hettar: you can install breezy [12:23] <PieD> I installed it in qemu a few days ago [12:23] <PieD> the problems I saw : [12:23] <PieD> 1- KDE can't be started from kdm [12:24] <PieD> 2- the Ctrl-Alt-F* shortcuts won't work [12:25] <hettar> I'll wait a bit longer before trying it. I don't really feel like stuffing around getting things to work [12:25] <hussam> PieD: how did you obtain breezy? link [12:25] <Raptoid> selamlar.. [12:25] <PieD> I downloaded a "daily build" [12:25] <hussam> PieD: from where? [12:26] <PieD> please wait ! [12:26] <PieD> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/ [12:27] <hussam> PieD: is that a ubuntu or kubuntu cd? [12:28] <PieD> look at the URL : kubuntu [12:28] <hussam> oh sorry, my bad [12:30] <hussam> it says not all packages are installable http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/report.html [12:31] <PieD> yes [12:31] <PieD> two days ago, there were less problematic packages [12:32] <hussam> When breezy is out, can I download the cd, add the cdrom as apt source, and upgrade? [12:32] <PieD> that's stupid [12:32] <PieD> add the servers as apt sources [12:32] <PieD> that'll be faster ! [12:35] <nikkia> pied, the ctrl-alt-F? thing is a configurable option in all of the *dm login managers, it used to be the default, but somewhere along the line everyone started allowing console logins [12:36] <nikkia> perhaps because, the reason i remember that, is if you were trying to get xdm working back in the early days, and messed up, it was a royal PITA to fix it :) [12:36] <PieD> nikkia: that didn't work any longer in my breezy :/ but there is nothing related to the dm ! [12:36] <PieD> when I launched X without dm, ctrl-alt-F? didn't work too [12:36] <nikkia> i have a vague recollection of having a PAM problem with gdm stuffing me up for the same reason - couldn't c-a-f1 to a console, and couldn't c-a-backspace to kill X :) [12:37] <PieD> I could do c-a-back [12:37] <nikkia> pied, hmm, it might be disabled in X then, there's an option in there to disable it too [12:37] <PieD> don't worry, it was only in qemu :) [12:38] <nikkia> does ctrl-alt-F? work in qemu normally? [12:38] <PieD> yes [12:38] <PieD> using the sendkey qemu command [12:38] <nikkia> ok, just wondering - never used it for running linux (only OSX :) [12:39] <PieD> OS X works in qemu yet ? [12:39] <nikkia> yeah, sort of [12:39] <nikkia> not as well as pearpc tho [12:40] <nikkia> the 'virtualised' qemu is actually a special case of qemu, normally qemu *emulates* cpus, and it does a whole handful, including PPC [12:40] <PieD> nikkia: I know that [12:41] <PieD> but on the qemu website, OS X is mentionned as not working [12:41] <nikkia> pied, it works, vaguely, its not enough to work well yet [12:41] <PieD> ok [12:41] <nikkia> pied, mostly graphic card stuff, iirc [12:41] <PieD> their graphic card emulation isn't perfect :/ [12:41] <nikkia> as i said, pearpc works better for OSX [12:41] <PieD> it'd be fine from it to support 3D [12:41] <nikkia> but pearpc is specialised, so i'd sort of expect that [12:42] <PieD> qemu with kqemu is "specialized" too :) [12:44] <nikkia> ah, i see why i think they said its not supported... [12:44] <nikkia> it says there is an error in the cdrom detection [12:44] <nikkia> i used a pre-installed HD image, so thats probably why i had it 'working' [12:45] <PieD> ok [12:52] <_flo> hi all [12:53] <PieD> hi [12:53] <_flo> there was a config file where one could set if the kdesu (kcmshell?) shall use sudo or su. Can someone pls tell me which one it was (yes I WANT su ;)... [12:55] <zakili> hi to all ... [12:55] <hussam> _flo: I'm looking for this as well [12:55] <zakili> is there anybody with sony vaio ?? [12:55] <zakili> is there anybody with sony vaio ?? [12:56] <PieD> not me [12:56] <PieD> not me [12:57] <_flo> hussam: someone allready told me... but I forgot it :(. When I got it I'll remeber to tell ya... [12:57] <hussam> _flo: thanks, I'd appreciate that [01:05] <hussam> _flo: is it something under /etc/kde3 ? [01:05] <_flo> hussam: dunno. thought it was somewhere in ~/.kde [01:07] <hussam> _flo: Oh, I was looking for a system wide config [01:08] <linkin> hello [01:08] <linkin> I've the following problem with ubuntu [01:08] <linkin> kubuntu... sorry [01:08] <linkin> after: apt-get install azureus he tells me that the following packages are damaged: [01:09] <linkin> it's can't be installed [01:09] <linkin> libcommons-cli-java [01:09] <linkin> and: libswt-gtk-3.1-java [01:09] <_buz> theres azureus in the repositories? [01:09] <_buz> ? [01:10] <linkin> yes [01:10] <linkin> ^^ [01:10] <linkin> but you need java first [01:10] <linkin> (sun-j2re1.5) [01:10] <_buz> best to get it from java.sun.com and install it by hand [01:10] <_buz> then use azureus.tar from the azureus site [01:11] <_buz> also i cant find azureus in synaptic ;) [01:13] <hussam> _flo: I'll ask in the forums [01:14] <_flo> _buz: Is there no java packager in kubuntu (like in debian)? I would prefer that... [01:14] <_buz> there isnt [01:14] <linkin> _buz: there is an package called: azureus [01:14] <_buz> i cant find it here [01:14] <_buz> and i have universe and multiverse active [01:16] <linkin> I've installed: java version "1.5.0_04" [01:16] <linkin> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_04-b05) [01:16] <linkin> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_04-b05, mixed mode, sharing) [01:17] <linkin> i think it's installed correctly [01:19] <linkin> is there any commandline, to install the package from apt-get anyway? [01:20] <linkin> (with or not with errors?) [01:23] <_flo> _buz: There is at least a package called "java-package" in multiverse :D. I would prefer using that instead conterminating my fine kubuntu system with tarballs. ;) [01:24] <linkin> I've installed it... [01:25] <linkin> (only 16kbs... :P) [01:25] <linkin> but i will get the same message [01:25] <linkin> (with tryn: apt-get install azureus) [01:25] <seaLne> java-package is for creating packages of java [01:26] <_flo> seaLne: right.. nobody told something else [01:28] <seaLne> you do make-jpkg <jdk-installer-you-downloaded> [01:29] <_flo> seaLne: You told me? Thx, dude, but I allready know. Better tell me how to convince kdesu to use su instead of sudo :P. [01:34] <linkin> he... [01:34] <linkin> it works :P [01:58] <znh> hmm.. when I am starting a program, a blinking icon of the starting program blinks near my cursor - How to remove this? [01:58] <_buz> is there any good utility to make screen capture flash movies? [01:58] <znh> _buz, have you tried The Gimp? [02:00] <_buz> since when does that do something like that [02:00] <_buz> i mean a movie of whats happening on my screen [02:00] <znh> Hmm yes [02:00] <znh> hm don't know [02:00] <_buz> there must be [02:00] <_buz> ive seen such movies ;) [02:01] <_buz> mhh maybe i could somehow dump a vnc stream ;) [02:01] <hussam> _flo: did you find anything out regarding kdesu? [02:01] <_buz> mhh whats wrong with kdesu [02:01] <_flo> hussam: no not really... [02:02] <hussam> _buz: we're looking for a way to make it use su instead of sudo [02:02] <_flo> _buz: I would like it to use su instead of sudo like in any other distro ;) [02:02] <_buz> compile the original source yourself ;) [02:02] <hussam> oh is it hardcoded? I thought it was in some config file [02:03] <_buz> ah i wouldnt really know [02:03] <_buz> just talking out of my ass really [02:03] <_flo> _buz: I know that kdesu is patched in kubuntu for using sudo but u can set it back in some config file... [02:03] <equex> how do i disable single click file handling in konqueror [02:03] <_flo> _buz: somone here told me some time ago but I forgot which one it was.. [02:12] <_buz> kusudo [02:20] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hey, could somebody help me set up a connection between me and a shared printer on a Windows machine? [02:37] <Will__> all files will have k in front of them in kubuntu. kand kwhen kwe ktalk kwe kwill ktalk klike kthis [02:38] <jjesse> Rogue_Jedi_X: did you get your issue solved? [02:39] <jjesse> is it a network printer on a print server or is it just a shared printer [02:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Just a shared printer and no, it's still giving me lip [02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> Rogue_Jedi_X: what Windows? [02:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> XP [02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can either connect to it as a shared Windows printer or share the printer using printing services for UNIX then connect as a UNIX shared printer [02:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I've been trying to do the first and it sends out the test page okay, but it doesn't print [02:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> When I look at the Windows machine I see it has a 3,48 MB page queued up, but only received the first 64 kB [02:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> How do I do the latter? [02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> add it in using add-remove programs and the add components option [02:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> "Other Network File and Print Services" <- That it? [02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think so [02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> i don't use Windows ;) [02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> only know anything about this because i tried to set my mates up... not sure how we got it to go exactly [02:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Me neither, but my whole family does x_x [02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> just sort of know how to get it going [02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) [02:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> It's installing now. I should start praying, huh? [02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> not yet :) [02:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> make your sacrifce first [02:52] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm fresh out of virgins, though [02:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm... [02:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> make do with an Ubuntu cd [02:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Okay, it installed. Now, how do I share it using INUX printing services? [02:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> *UNIX [02:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Great. The stress has gone in to my typing skk1llz [02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol [02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh share it using UNIX IIRC [02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> hope UNIX is what we used not smb :$ [03:00] <arslan> trke bilen yoktur sanrm [03:00] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Well, so far, no good [03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> Rogue_Jedi_X: have you installed the printer on the Ubuntu box right? [03:00] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I rebooted the windows machine, I'll see if that will help [03:01] <George`> hello [03:01] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hi George [03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi George [03:01] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yeah, I'm trying to set it up on Kubuntu [03:01] <George`> im trying to make a dual boot, winXP and kubuntu [03:02] <George`> and im using partition magic 8 to make a new partition [03:02] <nikkia> argh! OOS on /home [03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> :o [03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> George` cool ok [03:02] <George`> should i format to ext2 using partition magic or leave that to the kubuntu installation ? [03:02] <nikkia> george, i wouldnt trust PM's ext2 format, but thats me [03:03] <George`> ext2 or ext3? [03:03] <George> hrmm [03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> George` use kubuntus format [03:03] <nikkia> i'd use ext3, and let linux itself do it [03:03] <George> STOP CONFUSING ME [03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> don't use PM [03:03] <George`> ok [03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol George [03:03] <nikkia> PM probably uses a 10 year old ext2 standard that lacks user attributes and stuff :P [03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol [03:04] <George`> so i will just resize a winXP partition to make space for kubuntu [03:04] <George`> whats the ideal size for a kubuntu installation ? [03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> George` at least 2GB [03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> preferably more [03:04] <George`> yea [03:04] <George`> how much more ? [03:05] <buz> maybe 5-10GB [03:05] <George`> cool [03:05] <buz> mine is about 4GB now [03:05] <buz> without data of course [03:05] <George`> hmm [03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> George` my main parittion is 10G, but i have lots of stuff bound in from other hard drives [03:05] <George`> so i choose ext3 in the installation instead of ext2? [03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> if i include everything i nearly have 30GB of data on my home [03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh [03:06] <George`> ok, one more thing [03:06] <George`> will i be able from kubuntu to see a partition under NTFS ? [03:06] <George`> its just data [03:06] <nikkia> George: read-only, yes [03:07] <George`> hmm.. [03:07] <George`> so i wont be able to change the a txt lets say ? [03:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> George` you can also get something to let you *read only* your Linux parition from Windows [03:07] <George`> how bout copying to the kubuntu data partition, and then manipulating ? [03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's oks [03:08] <George`> thats possible ? [03:08] <George`> ok cool :D [03:08] <George`> thnx [03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) [03:14] <George`> hmmmm [03:14] <George`> more probs [03:14] <George`> any1 [03:14] <George`> hello ?? [03:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Aw screw it, I'll print by hand! [03:14] <George`> lol [03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> George`? [03:15] <George`> parition magic makes me choose a file system type for the new partition [03:15] <George`> what i do ? [03:15] <George`> :S [03:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> If it's for Windows, go NTFS [03:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> use ext2 and format it from the installer [03:16] <George`> ok :) [03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> George` remember to leave space for swap [03:16] <jjesse> do you want to be able to share windows and linux stuff fat32 [03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> *must have swap* [03:16] <George`> and where to i install LILO ? [03:16] <nikkia> lilo? dear god no! [03:16] <George`> w00t ? [03:16] <George`> so what ? [03:16] <nikkia> why do people still insist on using that POS ? [03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> eek! [03:16] <seaLne> lilo isn't that bad but you will find grub easier [03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> George` grub is default [03:16] <George`> grub easuer? [03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> don't change ! [03:16] <nikkia> seaLne: lilo IS that bad [03:17] <George`> ok ok chill guys ill install grub [03:17] <seaLne> nikkia: lilo is fine [03:17] <George`> ok where do i install grub ? [03:17] <nikkia> seaLne: any boot manager where you can make your system unbootable by installing a new kernel and forgetting ONE step is hideous [03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> George` it does it for you [03:18] <seaLne> it might prompt you if you want to install it in the mbr which you do [03:18] <George`> ok can some1 explain me why in linux we have swap and the other two ? [03:18] <George`> so i install it in mbr? [03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes [03:18] <George`> k [03:18] <George`> ok can some1 explain me why in linux we have swap and the other two ? [03:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> We're l33t that way [03:18] <nikkia> george 'other two' ? [03:18] <George`> dont remember their names [03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> George` swap is like virtual memory, and ext2 and 3 are filesystems [03:19] <George`> in the installation u choose 3 partitions [03:19] <seaLne> windows has swap aswell but it uses a file instead of a partition for it [03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> like ntfs and fat32 and fat 16 and msdos etc [03:19] <George`> hmmm [03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> Windows NT uses a page file [03:19] <seaLne> same difference [03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> there is a difference, but i cant remember exactly [03:21] <George`> does any of u does c++ under linux ? [03:23] <nikkia> George: yes [03:23] <George`> is it better than compilin under winxp ? [03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> gcc was written properly ;) [03:24] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: erm, no, it wasn't, not the first 3 times :P [03:24] <George`> lol [03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol [03:24] <nikkia> well, v3 (egcs) wasn't too bad, but was still limited in a lot of ways [03:24] <George`> so its better? [03:25] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: its important to remember that gcc has had 3 'written from scratch' versions [03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> *shrug* i don't have first hand experiance. just my mate said it pawned MicroSoft compiler [03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> nikkia: yeh true [03:25] <George`> hmmm ok [03:26] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: 1.x->2.0 was a complete rewrite, then there was the gcc/egcs branch at 2.95, (egcs became 3.x and 'gcc' was ditched), then the 4.x rewrites to allow for better optimisations [03:26] <George`> my code is written to be compiled under winxp, will i need to change to be compiled under linux? [03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes [03:26] <nikkia> George: it depends on what your code does [03:26] <George`> OpenGL [03:26] <George`> graphics engine [03:26] <George`> C/C++/OpenGL [03:27] <nikkia> George: OpenGL stuff will need some minor tweaks, and some support code changed, most likely, nothing really major like a rewrite [03:27] <George`> im using glut for opengl [03:28] <nikkia> linux has glut too [03:28] <George`> by default ? [03:28] <nikkia> probably not [03:28] <George`> :( [03:28] <George`> ok thnx again :D [03:28] <nikkia> it should be easy enough to install it though [03:32] <flo> does anyone know where to get k3b 0.12.3 for kubuntu? [03:32] <hussam> does libimlib2 come installed in Kubuntu by default? [03:33] <hussam> flo: I don't think it compiles in hoary [03:36] <nikkia> hussam, huh? [03:36] <nikkia> flo, its in backports, [03:36] <hussam> nikkia: 0.11.24 is in backports [03:36] <nikkia> oh, might not be 0.12.3 tho *shrug* [03:37] <nikkia> hussam, ah [03:38] <flo> nikkia: is backports a special section? Or do you mean backports.org (I'm a debian user ;)? [03:38] <flo> oh [03:39] <hussam> flo: it's a extra repository for ubuntu. [03:39] <PieD> since kubuntu is THE KDE distribution, are kubuntu packages for KDE 3.5 alpha1 available ? [03:41] <hussam> flo: if you use debian, k3b 0.12.x should probably be in debian unstable. [03:42] <flo> hussam: Indeed it is.. and i use it on my over-pinned-stable/testing/unstable box... but this here is KUBUNTU ;) [03:42] <flo> hussam: I tried to install it but then apt wants to remove ubuntu-base... [03:43] <hussam> flo: if you're a debian user, you shouldn't be mixing repositories [03:43] <flo> hussam: maybe I should switch back to debian, there my kdesu also works as expected ;) [03:44] <hussam> I tried compiling it from source but it would not compile on my Kubutnu. [03:44] <flo> hussam: I did not mix kubuntu with debian.... but for my debian box I use pinning and everything is mixed up, but at least it works! [03:44] <hussam> flo: ok I see [03:46] <hussam> yeah this kdesu using sudo instead of su is terrible. it's the only thing I dislike about Kubuntu [03:47] <apokryphos> hussam: err, why exactly? [03:47] <apokryphos> hussam: makes sense that it should use sudo considering ubuntu doesn't even come with su enabled by default [03:47] <hussam> apokryphos: it won't let me run a program as another regular user. [03:48] <nikkia> hussam: hmm, i don't see why not, sudo can do that [03:48] <flo> hussam: hmm, for me it's the same. I think it's the developer's right to make such a design dession but at least they should give one the possibility to switch back. [03:48] <hussam> in "run command", I can't run a program as another user. [03:50] <apokryphos> hussam: that's a bug, then; not a downfall of it using the sudo model [03:51] <hussam> apokryphos: yes, but I can run a program as another regular user using my pawword. Try it. [03:52] <apokryphos> hussam: that's because you have sudo power, I guess [03:54] <hussam> apokryphos: Also if you login as regular user who is not an sudoer, you can't run programs as other regular users. [03:55] <apokryphos> Are you sure? Don't really wanna test it now, may later [03:55] <nikkia> hussam, then you need to configure /etc/sudoers :P [03:55] <hussam> yep, I 've tried it on my PC [03:55] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, he's right, if the login has no sudoer rights, then it won't allow it, its up to him to configure sudoers to allow each user to run programs as root/other-users [03:55] <nikkia> i wouldn't say it was 'wrong' its just the sudo way [03:56] <hussam> exactly non sudoers can't run programs as other regular users. [03:56] <apokryphos> hussam: nikkia is saying that they *can* if you edit the file accordingly [03:56] <nikkia> hussam, which is exactly the point of sudo, it offers fine grained control over who can do what [03:58] <hussam> apokryphos: what if I don't want a user to be able to run root applications using his password, but I still want him to be able to run programs as other regular users? [03:58] <nikkia> hussam, with 'su', anyone can do anything, conversely, if they need to do *something* they need to know the password :) [03:58] <apokryphos> nikkia: any idea of what to use to calculate the size of a folder in CLI? [03:58] <nikkia> hussam, you can do that, easily, with sudoers [03:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: 'du -h' [03:58] <apokryphos> nice, thanks. :) [03:58] <nikkia> hussam: moreover, sudoers lets you control *which* apps a given user can run, and as *who* [03:59] <nikkia> ie, if i want user 'joe' to be able to run cdrecord as root, kmail as 'bob', and nothing else, i can do it [03:59] <flo> hussam: I could definitely set an option in some config file on my father's powerbook g3 which runs kubuntu to make kdesu to use su again. If he comes back from work I'll call him and find out.. [03:59] <nikkia> i could NOT do that with su [04:00] <hussam> flo: yeah ok thank you, I'd really appreciate that. [04:00] <flo> nikkia: Hmm I guess it's not about which approach is better... but to which one you are used to work with. And I WANT su :D. [04:00] <nikkia> hussam: the sudoers entry for that particular configuration would be 'joe ALL = (root) cdrecord, (bob) kmail' [04:00] <hussam> nikkia: I'm checking out /etc/sudoers [04:00] <nikkia> flo, no, sudo is inarguably better [04:00] <apokryphos> hehe [04:00] <nikkia> flo, there's no logical argument for su being better [04:01] <flo> nikkia: Excedpt that I'm a huming being (ubuntu) and are used to to some things in certain ways... you be as spocky as you wanr about that... [04:02] <nikkia> flo, so configure sudo to act like su, and stop being picky :) [04:03] <flo> nikkia: I would, but I don [04:03] <flo> nikkia: ..know how [04:03] <nikkia> flo, set the option 'targetpw', and setup a rule for 'Defaults ALL=(ALL) ALL' [04:04] <nikkia> that way, sudo should act pretty much exactly like su [04:04] <hussam> nikkia: wait how do I do that? [04:05] <apokryphos> hussam: there's more advantages of sticking with sudo, though, even if you think it's inconvenient at first [04:05] <apokryphos> I liked it from the get-go though; much quicker than typing su -c "foo" [04:06] <nikkia> hussam, read sudoers, its all in there [04:06] <EasterSunshine> sudo is mad cool [04:06] <nikkia> hussam, the 'targetpw' flag is the key to making sudo act like su [04:06] <nikkia> (ie, the target user's password is used, rather than the source user's password) [04:07] <nikkia> of course, understanding the sudoers file is likely to make you come to an understanding of why it is better :P [04:07] <hussam> nikkia: :( [04:10] <nikkia> the problem with 'su' is that it invariably leads you into setting programs setuid root to 'work around' not wanting to give everyone the root password [04:10] <nikkia> and setuid binaries are almost as evil as everyone on your system knowing the root password [04:13] <hussam> well not every user needs to be able to run applications are root. just the person who maintains or updates the machine. [04:13] <nikkia> hussam, yes, thats why the default kubuntu sudo rule is '%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL' [04:13] <nikkia> ie, only members of the admin group can 'do anything as root' [04:14] <nikkia> hussam, and i would argue that *everyone* needs to be able to run SOME apps as root [04:15] <buz> thankfully i'm the only user ;) [04:16] <hussam> Well in reality, they shouldn't have too. and I share this machine with at least one family member. [04:17] <nikkia> hussam, try running GNU screen without it being setuid root :P [04:18] <hussam> what's GNU screen? [04:18] <nikkia> hussam: a console session thing, much like konsole's tabs, but it works in any terminal app or on the console [04:19] <nikkia> its very useful, its the easiest way to do a 'screenshot' of a text program, and its the easiest way to run apps that need a long runtime, where you don't want to stay logged in on the console (or in a kde session) all that time [04:20] <nikkia> since you can detach from a command line session, and then rejoin it later, or you can rejoin the same console session from multiple windows/hosts [04:21] <nikkia> but since it manipulates the system pty's and the utmp/wtmp databases, it has to run as root initially [04:22] <hussam> I'll be back in a minute, I have to attack a different ps2 mouse. [04:33] <Jatos> hi [04:34] <Jatos> anyone know what the package name is for xserver in ubuntu is? [04:34] <Jatos> I want to install just the xserver and not the accompanying window manager [04:39] <sproingie> xorg [04:39] <Jatos> ok [04:39] <sproingie> xserver-xorg actually [04:57] <erb> hello [04:57] <hon> how can I activate a webserver? (i.e. what packages do I need to install?) I just installed apache2 [04:58] <erb> how can i replace the main menu button with my Xp stylish button? [04:58] <hon> erb: kbfx? [04:59] <hon> erb: do you have superkaramba installed? [04:59] <erb> yes [04:59] <hon> well, grab kbfx [05:00] <hon> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=24898 [05:01] <erb> thanks [05:01] <hon> np [05:17] <jwir3> hey everyone. I am having some crazy things happen with KDE. Specifically, programs i have added through apt are loading very slowly. If I open devhelp or anjuta, it will bounce the icon in KDE for about 30 seconds, then stop without loading. Then the program will load like 2-3 minutes later. I have tried reinstalling, but to no avail. Any suggestions? [05:20] <sproingie> do you have something chewing up the CPU? [05:20] <jwir3> hmm let me see [05:21] <jwir3> nah. CPU use looks pretty low [05:21] <jwir3> like less than 20% [05:21] <buz> too little ram? [05:21] <sproingie> could be. how much? [05:21] <jwir3> well, it's got 256mb [05:21] <sproingie> should be enough [05:21] <jwir3> it's a rather new dell [05:21] <buz> that rather little [05:21] <buz> for big apps anyhow [05:21] <sproingie> it's not a lot, but it shouldn't cause that much of a problem [05:21] <jwir3> well, I have has anjuta run on a lot less [05:21] <jwir3> rather quickly [05:22] <sproingie> try running the app from the commandline, see if you get inordinate numbers of errors [05:22] <sproingie> all kde apps spew some garbage on stderr, but it shouldn't be that much [05:23] <jwir3> only one I get is this: [05:23] <jwir3> (anjuta:8100): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: IA__g_object_set_valist: construct property "type" for object `ESplash' can't be set after construction [05:42] <slow-motion> hello [05:46] <ecarroll> I'm currently running breezy (out of neccessity) and after the dist-upgrade i noticed glxgears went missing, how can get that same debugging functionality? [05:46] <Tm_T> :o [05:47] <sproingie> ecarroll: it's in mesa-examples [05:47] <ecarroll> no pkg called mesa-examples [05:47] <sproingie> suckage. grab it from the hoary repo then [05:47] <ecarroll> In the hoary repo, i'm pretty sure it is xbase-clients. [05:48] <Heaven_7> I just got the latest kubuntu LiveCD [05:48] <ecarroll> congrats. [05:48] <Heaven_7> and when i goto "storage media", i see my windows drives (NTFS) [05:48] <sproingie> ecarroll: sorry, mesademos [05:49] <Heaven_7> but I am unable to explore them, even when I right-click and click "mount" [05:49] <ecarroll> I got that, no glxgears in it, just glxgears.c [05:49] <sproingie> so compile it [05:49] <Heaven_7> "could not mount" "mount: cant find /dev/hda5 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab" [05:50] <ecarroll> your not mounting right [05:50] <elvirolo> hi all [05:50] <Heaven_7> oh? [05:51] <ecarroll> mount takes two arguements, the hard location, and the mount point, if you don't it both, it looks in /etc/fstab for the hard loc, and you don't have the entry in /etc/fstab [05:51] <elvirolo> when i try to burn a cd with k3b, I get the following message "unable to unlock cd burner" [05:51] <ecarroll> so either a) add it to /etc/fstab, or b) give mount your mount point [05:51] <elvirolo> why is that ? it used to work fine [05:51] <_jpowers> elvirolo: have you upgraded your kernel recently? [05:52] <elvirolo> _jpowers, not that i remember, no [05:52] <elvirolo> jpowers, i'm using 2.6.10-5-386 [05:52] <jpowers> elvirolo: I've had issues with cd burning in the past with specific kernels, that's the only reason I ask. [05:52] <Heaven_7> ic [05:52] <elvirolo> jpowers, ok, thx anyway :) [05:53] <Heaven_7> also, whats up with amaroK not being able to connect to streams? It just sits there going "connecting to stream source..." and when i try to do something else, it looks like it just crashed [05:54] <Heaven_7> also, to do the mounting, is there a GUI way to do it? instead of the terminal? [05:54] <nikkia> ecarroll: actually, you can get that message under some obscure situations where you specified the right parameters, too [05:55] <nikkia> Heaven_7: media:/ in konqueror [05:55] <nikkia> then right click on a device and there should be a 'mount' option in the menu [05:56] <Heaven_7> hmm, i get the same error [05:56] <Heaven_7> "cant find /dev/hda5 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab" [05:56] <Poromies> guys, any news about when 64bit repos will be ready for KDE 3.4.2? [05:57] <Raptoid> mount take two agruements tyhe hard location and ythe mount point i you don't it both iy looks in [05:57] <Heaven_7> is there a way to fix that, i know someone suggested what the solution was--but i'm trying to figure an easy way out [05:57] <Raptoid> bla bla bla .. [05:57] <Raptoid> why is that [05:57] <Raptoid> have you upgradd [05:57] <nokia78> hello, anybody can help me, with :: libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13) but 2.3.2.ds1-22 is to be installed [05:57] <Raptoid> you kernel recently [05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> night people. have fun [05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> and good luck :) [05:59] <Heaven_7> raptoid, were you talking to me? [06:01] <_frank> nokia78: do you have debian packages installed? [06:01] <nokia78> yes [06:01] <Heaven_7> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -o umask=0222 [06:01] <Heaven_7> i just did that [06:01] <Heaven_7> and it works [06:02] <_frank> nokia78: there's your problem [06:03] <nokia78> _frank : but how can i resolve it [06:03] <Heaven_7> lmfao, i figured out why sound wasnt working [06:03] <Heaven_7> i had my speakers connected to "rear channel" because i use KxProject in XP [06:04] <_frank> nokia78: ideally you should try to revert libc6 to the ubuntu package, uninstall the debian packages and compile from source what is not in the repositories [06:05] <nokia78> _frank: oky [06:05] <_frank> basically do not use libraries from debian. single packages from debian can work sometimes but if you upgrade libraries from the ubuntu version to the deibian version, you get problems [06:06] <_frank> nokia78: and take out the debian repos from your sources list [06:06] <nokia78> _frank: ok [06:26] <nikkia> afternoon othernoob [06:26] <othernoob> hi nikkia [06:36] <LinKage> Hello [06:36] <LinKage> again [06:37] <LinKage> i just booted with kubuntu cd to install them [06:38] <LinKage> should i choose F1 for advanced installation options ? [06:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You probably don't need to, no [06:40] <LinKage> ok [06:41] <LinKage> On the network detection it came up with a warning [06:42] <LinKage> it says no network interfaces were found [06:42] <LinKage> it says you may need to load a specific module for your network card [06:51] <LinKage> i need help [06:51] <LinKage> im at the partitioning [06:51] <LinKage> i have chosen a 10gig partition [06:51] <LinKage> how to split it to root/swap/data [06:51] <LinKage> ? [06:53] <nokia78> hi, i do apt-get remove libc6,...and now i cant do apt-get,.. how can i install libc6 too ?? [06:56] <jpatrick> nokia78: looks like you seriously messed up your computer :-/ [06:57] <c0rrupt_> dl the package [06:57] <_frank> you removed libc6? you had to downgrade it [06:57] <c0rrupt_> the use [06:57] <c0rrupt_> dpkg -i package.deb [06:57] <c0rrupt_> see if that works... [06:57] <c0rrupt_> then* [06:57] <_frank> c0rrupt_: that wont work [06:58] <_frank> dpkg depends on libc6 [06:58] <c0rrupt_> then.. [06:58] <c0rrupt_> gg [06:58] <nokia78> :( [06:58] <_frank> nikkia: If I were you I would back up my files and reinstall. [06:59] <_frank> nikkia: you might need a live cd just too backup your files [06:59] <Jambon> anyone know if one can make a boot floppy or cd during installation instead of using grub? [06:59] <_frank> didn't apt-get warn it would uninstall a few 100s of packages when you took out libc6? [07:00] <c0rrupt_> LOL [07:00] <nikkia> frank, eh? [07:00] <nikkia> oh, you meant nokia78 :P [07:01] <_frank> nikkia: yeah ;-) [07:01] <LinKage> nikkia can u help me plz? [07:01] <nokia78> yes, but i dnt see too :( [07:01] <c0rrupt_> blind? [07:01] <nokia78> can i do something to rescue the system or my files [07:01] <_setite> how do i switch between ubuntu and kubuntu [07:02] <_setite> i installed kubuntu-desktop under root and made it my default so its what boots... but it looks the same as gnome except for the login [07:03] <nokia78> _frank what i can do? [07:03] <_frank> _setite: in the login screen click session and choose kde [07:03] <_setite> or vice versa? [07:04] <_frank> nokia78: do you have a separate partition where you could copy your documents, etc? You might have to use a live cd or something to burn what you want to save [07:04] <Jambon> anyone know if kubuntu gives one the option of making a boot floppy? [07:04] <_setite> hey who just helped me [07:04] <LinKage> Can some1 help me im stuck on the partitioning ?? [07:05] <_frank> LinKage: the ubuntu installer can make the partitions for you [07:05] <LinKage> im want to dual boot [07:05] <_setite> whoever wrote that reply... thank you.. that was it... i friggin love this... kde looks so much better than gnome [07:05] <_setite> is it better? [07:05] <c0rrupt_> grub comes with kubuntu [07:05] <_frank> make a / partition, a /home partition (not absolutely necessery) and swap partition [07:06] <LinKage> i know [07:06] <c0rrupt_> kubuntu comes with grub* [07:06] <c0rrupt_> Lol [07:06] <LinKage> the prob is [07:06] <nokia78> _frank ok,.... where kontact directory haver mi emails ? [07:06] <LinKage> im on a screen with 3 partitions [07:06] <LinKage> 1 is winxp, 1 data, 1 for kubuntu [07:06] <_frank> nokia78: somewhere in /home/nokia/ [07:07] <LinKage> what i do next? [07:07] <_frank> nokia78: save your whole /home directory including the .files and .directories [07:08] <nokia78> _frank but information and emails of app kontact where is? [07:08] <_frank> I got to go... can't help you guys right now [07:08] <_frank> nokia78: I don't know exactly [07:11] <nokia78> _frank do you find it please,... [07:12] <Wimpie> Does anybody know how I can use a bittorrent 'file' and download the corresponding file ? [07:41] <luminerd> is there a good package with lots of games? [07:43] <jpatrick> kdegames [07:43] <equex> install it all and check it out [07:43] <equex> like me :D [07:44] <equex> i think i have 2800+ packages installed now :D [07:46] <luminerd> Dude what on earth is wrong - I can IRC just fine but I am browsing slower than 56k...I can't load one page. [08:01] <aramazan> apokryphos: Hi Francis. I've uploaded the FAQ with your suggestions included. :) [08:01] <apokryphos> aramazan: hey! Nice to see you here. :) [08:01] <apokryphos> Gonna check it out now [08:02] <c0rrupt_> why dont you purify yourself in the waters of lake minatonka [08:02] <aramazan> apokryphos: See the changelog :) [08:02] <apokryphos> will do [08:04] <aramazan> I had overlooked your suggestion regarding official backports first (I missed its announcement), but then I checked it out and hey, there it was! [08:05] <nikkia> apokryphos: i wouldn't like to guess how many i have :P [08:06] <apokryphos> aramazan: just checked it; hey, thanks for the mention :). Didn't actually notice that you were using the CSS there now, but it does work. [08:06] <apokryphos> aramazan: what is odd, and may need attention, is that it *looks* like it still selects the bullets [08:07] <aramazan> apokryphos: Yeah, I know. It's how proficient I am in CSS :( [08:08] <aramazan> Also, it behaves slightly different in Konq and Ffox [08:08] <apokryphos> aramazan: found a good link that addresses it: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/taminglists/ :) [08:08] <apokryphos> haven't checked in ff; will see now [08:08] <c0rrupt_> does anyone use wu-ftp? [08:08] <apokryphos> nikkia: it's so easy to find out with dpkg ;-) [08:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: i spose [08:09] <apokryphos> aramazan: ah, so I see. In Firefox it doesn't select the bullets [08:10] <aramazan> apokryphos: But, if you select a whole line it shows as if last chars aren't selected (but pastes OK) [08:11] <c0rrupt_> what ftp servers does anyone run [08:11] <aramazan> BTW thanks for the link. I'll study the link and the site. [08:11] <apokryphos> aramazan: heh. That is weird. Let me check out the source [08:11] <apokryphos> Yeah; that should be the definitive guide for bullets [08:12] <c0rrupt_> ;\ [08:14] <aramazan> c0rrupt_: I don't use ftp servers for security reasons (I substitute ssh) But proftpd might be better than wu-ftp [08:15] <aramazan> c0rrupt_: If you do a "apt-cache -n search ftp" it may give you hints about more security concerned ftp daemons (there should be a "very secure ftp" or something) [08:15] <apokryphos> c0rrupt_: Konqueror is good [08:16] <apokryphos> ...erm, ftp client. [08:16] <c0rrupt_> ok ty [08:16] <apokryphos> aramazan: I don't know why it's doing that. I'd speculate it might be down to the spacing, but I couldn't be sure. [08:16] <c0rrupt_> i will look into proftp [08:17] <c0rrupt_> what is the -n option for [08:17] <aramazan> apokryphos: That's also what I suspect. I use custom spacing in CSS [08:17] <aramazan> c0rrupt_: sustitute for "--names-only" [08:17] <apokryphos> aramazan: might be worth experimenting to see if it's still there without any special spacing etc [08:18] <aramazan> apokryphos: But then single space might confuse some readers? [08:19] <nikkia> aramazan: vsftp is about as secure and good as plain ftp gets [08:19] <aramazan> apokryphos: Previosly I was using double space. Now I use single space with custom width definition [08:19] <apokryphos> aramazan: not suggesting you should have the single spacing... just try to see if the problem is down to that [08:20] <apokryphos> Double space would mean copy-and-pasting it in Konsole wouldn't work, I'd think [08:20] <aramazan> pokryphos: Ah I see. I will try and see if default space width will have an effect on FF [08:21] <aramazan> nikkia: Possibly :) [08:24] <equex> any idea why my dvd drive sees all dvds as blanks ? [08:25] <equex> it used to work, but got broken somehow [08:25] <apokryphos> aramazan: as a note, in IRC you can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicks :) [08:25] <luminerd> equex, yes. it's b0rk3d. [08:25] <luminerd> :( sorry [08:25] <djtm> hi all, how can i remove apache server, ive tried "apt-get remove apache" but it still remains [08:26] <equex> did you stop it first ? :p [08:26] <aramazan> apokryphos: Oh, thanks! I was wondering if everybody else also do it by copy-pasting :) [08:26] <aramazan> ...as I was. [08:27] <apokryphos> aramazan: re: your points on IRC. I can see what you mean, but I find that it's good for computer/software-related issues. Instant answers [08:27] <apokryphos> aramazan: still, I would think that it's generally bad for discussion of Philosophy etc :| [08:27] <Filip__> my internet connection doesent work in kubuntu but it work in windows on same computer, what can i do? [08:29] <apokryphos> Filip__: are you using a router? [08:29] <Filip__> no i dont use an router. [08:29] <aramazan> apokryphos: Agreed. Also lists, usenet etc are more time-efficient. But chat has its own feeling, I sould admit :) [08:30] <apokryphos> Filip__: if you don't get an answer in here, you should try #ubuntu -- better place for non ubuntu-and-kde stuff [08:30] <djtm> equex, yes i stopped it using sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 stop, then ran sudo apt-get remove apache2, but it says 0 to remove [08:31] <apokryphos> djtm: well, check what other apache things you have installed; dpkg -l|grep apache [08:31] <njoodlwce> oops [08:31] <Filip__> i have the same problem in ubuntu but it work first then after some days it dont work so i try to install kubuntu but it dont work. [08:31] <equex> i only use apache1.3 now.. best thing is to "apachectl stop" i think [08:31] <aramazan> Anybody has an idea when (fully functional) Kubuntu-Breezy images will be available? [08:31] <equex> or even apachectl graceful [08:32] <equex> (dunno about that last) [08:32] <aramazan> Daily images seem to have several components not working yet [08:33] <equex> <luminerd equex, yes. it's b0rk3d. <-- does that mean its a known problem or are you stating the obvious ? [08:34] <luminerd> equex, I am stating the obvious in order to look smart. I believe I have achieved the opposite [08:35] <djtm> thanks for that command apokryphos, it revealed that i had apache2-common, so i removed it and it seems to have done the trick [08:35] <equex> i know for a fact Ubuntu likes the same drive, i installed the DVD version with that.. [08:35] <equex> i am not sure if it actually ever did work in Kubuntu [08:35] <bjv> i need to reinstall my nvidia driver, i have run an apt-get dist-upgrade since the last time i compiled the driver [08:36] <bjv> i only have 1 version of gcc, what version was ubuntu made with? [08:36] <equex> luminerd: yeah i wont talk to you anymore now :p [08:36] <apokryphos> aramazan: I've been meaning to ask you. I really liked the idea of your "application equivalent" on Windows/Mac. Would you mind if something similar was put in the KDE userguide? I'll reference your site of course [08:37] <aramazan> apokryphos: Sure! I'll be happy with that. [08:38] <apokryphos> Very handy. It'll probably be part of a "For migrators from Mac/Windows" section [08:38] <luminerd> Question regarding the package manager and Synaptic...you know how normally it puts the programs in the menu as you install them? What happens if you don't have that menu? Will it create it? [08:39] <aramazan> ...uhm with "Sure!" I mean I wouldn't mind :) [08:39] <equex> heh the menu system lives a life of its own [08:39] <equex> it get borked after you have moved stuff around a few timnes [08:39] <equex> then suddenly after a week, the Debian menu was suddenly populated with *every* app i have installed [08:41] <equex> (and yes it will autocreate menus if the app is kde aware i suppose) [08:41] <equex> most of them do anyway [08:41] <pax> take control: kmenuedit [08:41] <luminerd> equex, gosh, you had to help me didn't you? Now I feel even more horrible that I couldn't help you! Thanks a lot! [08:41] <equex> yeah, thats what i use [08:41] <_setite> how do i block a user [08:42] <equex> heh [08:42] <_setite> on irc [08:42] <equex> i didnt do it on purpose [08:42] <equex> its just i am so tired [08:42] <luminerd> lol [08:42] <equex> :D [08:42] <_setite> n00b rule numero uno : do not use linux while angry or in an altered state due to lack of sleep or mind altering substances [08:43] <bjv> that would be me, right now. :\\ [08:43] <equex> hehe [08:43] <jeffm_> hey guys [08:43] <jeffm_> lol whats up bjv [08:43] <apokryphos> aramazan: yeah, sure :) [08:43] <bjv> lightning strikes on my boxen. :\\ [08:44] <bjv> wait. i think i got my answer. [08:44] <bjv> was the ubuntu kernel compiled with gcc 3.2.? [08:44] <bjv> that would explain my issues with 3.3.5 [08:44] <jeffm_> bjv: i talked to my uncle, and he said that the switch wont allow me to chare the internet with my laptop. after we went through all that pain [08:45] <bjv> ah [08:45] <jeffm_> so now im trying to backup the /etc/network/interfaces file to the way it was before all this [08:45] <equex> pax: have you not experienced how even with kmenuedit, some menus become immovable (saved changes does not propagate to the KMenu) or that menus dissappear and their items is lost or ends up in Lost+Found ? [08:45] <jeffm_> i've edited it in the console using 'vu' but now i forget how to save it [08:46] <ellis> do anyone know how to change default sound device in ubuntu ? [08:46] <bjv> saving was done with the w write command [08:46] <jeffm_> how do i put in commands again? [08:46] <seaLne> :w [08:46] <jeffm_> ok ill try it [08:46] <crimsun> ellis: in gnome? [08:46] <ellis> no kdt [08:46] <ellis> kde* [08:47] <ellis> kubuntu sorry [08:47] <aramazan> ellis: If you have multiple sound devices, then KMix will have a selection box listing all devices. [08:47] <pax> equex: something is wrong with your box. [08:47] <ellis> yea, but, will stuff like amarok use that device ? [08:47] <equex> no my hardware is just fine. it even did that after a fresh install [08:48] <pax> equex: file bug reports then. [08:48] <equex> and i also read the xml files produced by kmenuedit, they are like ripped out of a MS Frontpage site [08:48] <aramazan> ellis: If you select a particular dev, than AFAIK it will be used by all programs. But I'm not sure... [08:48] <equex> a horrible mess that doesnt validate for shit [08:48] <jeffm_> how do you get out of insert mode? [08:49] <ellis> why i wonder is, the master control quick thingy is still changing the first device [08:49] <crodler> jeffm: ESC [08:49] <equex> pax, so now i am trying to find a way to edit the menu with an xml editor from scratch [08:49] <aramazan> jeffm_: Pressing "Insert", paradoxically? :) [08:49] <jeffm_> ok thanks [08:49] <jeffm_> lol [08:49] <equex> and keep it valid [08:49] <jeffm_> it didnt work [08:50] <jeffm_> im using 'vu' in the console [08:51] <aramazan> ellis: Did you try quitting from KMix and restarting it? [08:52] <ellis> aramazan: that only swiches it back to my first sound device [08:52] <aramazan> jeffm_: Then try <ESC> [08:53] <jeffm_> ok thanks [08:53] <jeffm_> :) [08:54] <supernix> anyone here good at email programming ? [08:54] <aramazan> ellis: Colud be a Control Center setting or something. I don't know. [08:55] <supernix> preferably someone working on the thunderbird project [08:55] <jeffm_> why dont you check their channel? [08:56] <_setite> does kopete have tabbed windows... i cant find the option [08:56] <_setite> or do i need a plugin [08:57] <ellis> aramazan: nothing... only default soundD [08:57] <ellis> swiched it to alsa btw [08:57] <_setite> ooh i think i found the setting [08:57] <_setite> cool found it [08:58] <_setite> woot didnt realize what i was missing using gnome [08:58] <pax> _setite: setting > behavior > chat [09:03] <ellis> if i refrase my question... how do i change default soundcard in alsa [09:09] <aramazan> ellis: Good question... with apparently no immediate answer. I wonder why KMix didn't work. In etc/default/alsa there's an option <<alsactl_store_on_shutdown="always autosave">> [09:10] <aramazan> it should save the adjustments made in KMix. May be it's worth trying to set other snd dev in KMix & then restarting the system? (with "always autosave" option set) [09:11] <ellis> ok [09:11] <ellis> ill try [09:11] <jolly_joe> Trying to install ubuntu with seperate / and /home partitions. The installer doesnt let me create users. It works perfectly on 1 partition, but I want 2 How do I solve this? [09:11] <apokryphos> jolly_joe: I had the same problem, but I thought it was solved in Hoary. [09:11] <apokryphos> jolly_joe: don't worry, though. Just make the root partition, then you can later permanently mount another partition as /home [09:12] <jolly_joe> thanks [09:12] <apokryphos> jolly_joe: you'll just have to edit /etc/fstab [09:18] <jolly_joe> apokryphos, Do I back up my original /home folders then, edit /etc/fstab then copy the backed up to the new mountpoint? [09:34] <apokryphos> jolly_joe: if you already have them on a mount point, then leave it there. [09:34] <apokryphos> jolly_joe: after you've installed, copy the ubuntu /home folder from the / partition, and put it into the new /home [09:38] <EasterSunshine> i bet i can puke before any of you can [09:43] <c0rrupt_> hello [09:43] <c0rrupt_> i need a little help [09:43] <c0rrupt_> i setup an proftpd [09:43] <c0rrupt_> i added a new user brax [09:43] <c0rrupt_> but id only like that user to be able to access 1 folder [09:43] <c0rrupt_> in ftp [09:44] <nikkia> Hmmm, this storm is like something out of a bad horror movie [09:44] <EasterSunshine> c0rrupt_: do you know how to set a jailed chrooted environment? [09:45] <c0rrupt_> no [09:45] <c0rrupt_> id like to [09:45] <c0rrupt_> cant i just edit /etc/ftpchroot [09:45] <lichte> How can I keep kaffeine from opening in konqueror ?? I have vlc and realplayer and konq sees their plugins, but for some reason, kaffeine keeps opening instead of the other two! [09:45] <c0rrupt_> uninstal kaffenine [09:45] <c0rrupt_> its horrible! [09:46] <EasterSunshine> c0rrupt_: if thats an already existing file, then yes, otherwise, i beleive you should add stuff into /etc/proftpd.conf [09:46] <c0rrupt_> yes it [09:46] <c0rrupt_> it exists [09:46] <c0rrupt_> well [09:46] <c0rrupt_> ill edit the conf i guess [09:46] <c0rrupt_> the config doesnt exist.. [09:47] <c0rrupt_> nvm [09:47] <c0rrupt_> its there [09:47] <lichtec0> c0rrupt_: I tried that [09:47] <lichtec0> c0rrupt_: it won't uninstall without uninstalling kubuntu-desktop [09:48] <c0rrupt_> k [09:48] <c0rrupt_> nvm then [09:48] <c0rrupt_> ok EasterSunshine [09:48] <c0rrupt_> im in the conf [09:48] <EasterSunshine> err...now read proftd's docs? [09:49] <EasterSunshine> i used to know how to do this, sry, but i moved to vsftp [09:49] <c0rrupt_> anyone else know............. [09:49] <EasterSunshine> actually let me look for my old conf files [09:49] <c0rrupt_> k [09:49] <lichte> I can't find anywhere in konqueror that even shows kaffeine [09:49] <EasterSunshine> oh shit sry deleted [09:52] <lichte> if I uninstall kubuntu-desktop, will that remove all KDE apps, or is kubuntu-desktop just some kind of empty file only used for pullilng in defaults ? [09:52] <PieD> lichte: it won't remove anythin [09:53] <LinKage> Can some1 help me install drivers for my network card or make linux to detect ? [09:53] <lichte> PieD: ok [09:53] <lichte> PieD: it's gone then :) [09:53] <PieD> kubuntu-desktop depends of all KDE, but nothing depends on kubuntu-desktop [09:53] <lichte> I see [09:53] <PieD> LinKage: if you tell us what network card it is [09:53] <LinKage> 1 sec [09:53] <LinKage> Marvell 88E8053 PCIe Gigabit LAN Controller [09:56] <PieD> LinKage: sudo modprobe sk98lin [09:57] <PieD> and your network card should then work [09:57] <LinKage> i have done that [09:57] <LinKage> but nothing happene [09:57] <PieD> give us the last four lines given by dmesg after that [09:58] <PieD> ("dmesg | tail -n 4" without quotes to do that :) [09:58] <aramazan> LinKage: Also see http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-262642.html if your mobo is nforce. [09:58] <LinKage> my mobo isnt nforce [09:58] <LinKage> 4 last lines are [09:59] <LinKage> -4 Disabled Privacy Extensions on device c02f0500(lo) [09:59] <jeffm_> hey guys [10:00] <LinKage> -3 IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling drivers [10:00] <jeffm_> when i try to ./configure when installing a theme, i get error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH [10:00] <PieD> jeffm_: install gcc with kynaptic [10:00] <LinKage> -4 Disabled Privacy Extensions on device f4caa000(sit0) [10:00] <jeffm_> ok [10:01] <LinKage> -2 Disabled Privacy Extensions on device f4caa000(sit0) [10:01] <LinKage> -1 NET: Registered protocol family 17 [10:01] <PieD> dhclient eth0 [10:01] <PieD> sorry : [10:01] <PieD> sudo dhclient eth0 [10:02] <LinKage> sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 [10:02] <LinKage> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device [10:03] <PieD> sudo ifconfig [10:03] <LinKage> eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such Device [10:03] <nikkia> not all ethernet controllers use eth0 still [10:03] <nikkia> pied, probably want ifconfig -a [10:03] <PieD> nikkia: I'm not expert with ifconfig [10:04] <PieD> LinKage: and don't copy us the full result of ifconfig [10:04] <LinKage> ok [10:04] <PieD> give us only the interfaces names [10:04] <nikkia> pied, sometimes it doesn't report 'unconfigured' interfaces, which LinKage's ethernet interface is going to be [10:04] <PieD> (the first words) [10:04] <LinKage> two paragraphs [10:04] <LinKage> lo [10:04] <LinKage> and sit0 [10:04] <PieD> nikkia: I've the same for my wireless card [10:04] <PieD> LinKage: and with ifconfig -a ? [10:05] <LinKage> without sudo ? [10:05] <nikkia> PieD: some of my wireless cards are eth0, some are wlan0 :) [10:05] <PieD> LinKage: with or without, you choose [10:05] <nikkia> linkage, the sudo doesn't matter for ifconfig [10:05] <PieD> nikkia: I saw eth0, wlan0, ra0.... [10:05] <PieD> quite random :/ [10:05] <LinKage> i get the same [10:05] <PieD> for such things freebsd is better [10:06] <nikkia> linkage, try this... [10:06] <nikkia> ls /sys/class/net [10:06] <PieD> nikkia: I'm still not used to /sys [10:06] <LinKage> ok [10:07] <LinKage> then what nikkia [10:07] <PieD> LinKage: give us the result [10:07] <nikkia> LinKage: it should just list a directory for each network interface the system sees [10:07] <LinKage> lo and sit0 [10:07] <nikkia> then your network 'card' isn't being seen [10:08] <LinKage> ok [10:08] <LinKage> how do i make linux to see my nic? [10:09] <LinKage> when installing kubuntu [10:09] <PieD> LinKage: we need more result from dmesg than 4 lines [10:09] <LinKage> i had a warning that it couldnt detect the card [10:09] <PieD> I don't exactly know how much [10:09] <aramazan> LinKage: I think Gbit eth should show up as ethX in "sudo ifconfig -a". If not, then I suspect sk98lin driver didn't work... [10:10] <PieD> dmesg can tell us more precisely what happens [10:10] <PieD> but it looks like you're manually typing the result of dmesg => that's too slow [10:10] <LinKage> nop there is no ethX aramazan [10:10] <aramazan> LinKage: See if sk98lin is loaded in the first place (lsmod | less) [10:11] <nikkia> LinKage: can you do lspci and paste the line with the network card [10:11] <PieD> haven't you any way to give us results faster ? [10:11] <nikkia> aramazan: sk98lin doesn't support all marvell chipsets, i have a nasty feeling... [10:11] <PieD> (floppies, usb keys...) [10:11] <LinKage> no sorry guys [10:11] <PieD> does ndiswrapper work for non-wireless cards ? [10:11] <LinKage> i typed lsmod | less [10:12] <PieD> LinKage: quite hard to help you :/ [10:12] <nikkia> pied, it can, yes [10:12] <LinKage> and cant describe the output [10:12] <LinKage> it has modules and its sizes [10:12] <nikkia> linkage, just do lspci and look for the line with the network interface [10:12] <PieD> nikkia: then it can perhaps help us for his problem [10:12] <nikkia> pied, i want to be sure sk98lin doesn't support it first, but that means i need the vendor/prod IDs [10:12] <PieD> but the ndiswrapper provided with hoary is old [10:13] <nikkia> and that means a) finding out which PCI-ID the card is on, then doing lspci -n, and he seems to be ignoring my request :/ [10:13] <PieD> nikkia: be patient [10:13] <LinKage> guys [10:13] <LinKage> what do i do now :$ [10:13] <PieD> remember that he can't copy/paste ! [10:13] <PieD> LinKage: we asked you : [10:13] <apokryphos> LinKage: do what nikkia said [10:13] <PieD> [22:12:36] <nikkia> linkage, just do lspci and look for the line with the network interface [10:14] <PieD> give us the line related to your network card ! [10:14] <nikkia> if it helps, all i want is the first bit, the numeric bit like 00:00.0 [10:14] <LinKage> 1 sec [10:14] <nikkia> because then i'm going to ask you to do lspci -n, and copy the numbers that match up with that device :) [10:14] <LinKage> ok got it [10:14] <LinKage> you want the numbers at the start? [10:14] <nikkia> linkage, yes [10:15] <LinKage> 0000:02:00.0 [10:15] <nikkia> ok, now, do lspci -n | grep "02:00.0" [10:15] <PieD> (the ndiswrapper list of supported devices only mention wireless cards) [10:15] <nikkia> and copy *all* of that line to here [10:16] <nikkia> pied, its all most people use it for [10:16] <PieD> nikkia: I know ... [10:16] <nikkia> pied, but i've heard of people using it for broadcom on-board chips [10:16] <LinKage> with the quotes right? [10:16] <Will__> you? [10:16] <nikkia> linkage, yes [10:16] <PieD> with one of my friend, we tried to use it [10:16] <LinKage> ok [10:16] <nikkia> pied, for the most part, ndis is ndis [10:17] <PieD> for more than 6 months, we tested each new release of ndiswrapper, hoping for a support of his wireless card :/ [10:17] <LinKage> 0000:02:00.0 0200: llab:4362 (rev 15) [10:17] <PieD> finally he bought another one :) [10:17] <nikkia> linkage, thats all ? hmmm [10:17] <LinKage> that is the output [10:17] <nikkia> linkage, i have bad news [10:17] <nikkia> the latest chipset that sk98lin supports is 0x4361 [10:17] <nikkia> you have 0x4362 [10:18] <LinKage> ohh my god [10:18] <nikkia> and those are commented out of the code too :) [10:18] <PieD> last chance : ndiswrapper ? [10:18] <LinKage> so that means ? [10:18] <nikkia> #if 0 /* don't handle Yukon2 cards at the moment [10:18] <nikkia> linkage, it means, you can try ndiswrapper, if that doesn't work, you'll need to buy a cheap ethernet card [10:18] <PieD> ndiswrapper tries to emulate the needed windows kernel functions to support ndis (=> network) drivers for windows under linux [10:19] <LinKage> ok [10:19] <PieD> you must find your network card drivers first [10:19] <nikkia> i'd recommend a realtek based card, they're cheap (under $10) and work [10:19] <LinKage> how does that works? [10:19] <LinKage> i have them on a cd [10:19] <PieD> LinKage: do what I say you [10:19] <PieD> that's not enough [10:19] <LinKage> huh? [10:19] <PieD> you must find by yourself the XP driver on the CD [10:19] <nikkia> pied, if he can get unshield and cabextract to the machine by CD/floppy, it should be enough [10:20] <PieD> find the files of the driver [10:20] <LinKage> Okay gimmie a sec [10:20] <PieD> nikkia: yes, but he must find the right installer [10:20] <nikkia> i'd be getting ready to go buy a new ethernet card right now, if it was me :) [10:21] <PieD> (sometimes, there are hundreds of drivers on one CD : each network card of the hardware maker + each windows :/) [10:21] <PieD> (I've got that :p) [10:21] <PieD> nikkia: hope first [10:21] <nikkia> pied, ndiswrapper uses masses of CPU cycles anyway, i wouldn't bother [10:21] <PieD> masses ? so much ? [10:21] <c0rrupt_> i use ndiwrapper [10:21] <c0rrupt_> it works perfectly [10:21] <nikkia> PieD: 10-30% from what i've seen [10:21] <c0rrupt_> rtl8180 [10:23] <PieD> and he is currently on windows... It'll be harder for him to extract the drivers [10:23] <LinKage> you have to be kidding me [10:23] <nikkia> he might be lucky [10:23] <LinKage> i dont believe my eyes [10:23] <PieD> LinKage: ? [10:24] <LinKage> i just saw in the cd there is file named Linux [10:24] <nikkia> my broadcom on-board chipset had ndis files unextracted on the CD :) [10:24] <c0rrupt_> mmk? [10:24] <nikkia> linkage, i'll wager they're redhat only :/ [10:24] <PieD> LinKage: :) [10:24] <hon> I am so ashamed to ask this but I have to. how can I use a hub? I have never used one before so I don't know. I am connected to the net in Lan, now what happens if I put the hub in the middle? can I still have a webserver? [10:24] <PieD> quite funny [10:24] <LinKage> iit has a install file and 2 .htm [10:24] <LinKage> c0rrupt_ give me more plz [10:24] <nikkia> hon, hubs are dumb, they just copy the data that comes in, to every port [10:25] <nikkia> hon, so yes [10:25] <LinKage> yep yep hon multiple echoes creates lag [10:25] <LinKage> ok [10:25] <Will__> why the colors? [10:25] <LinKage> now i assume installing aint the same as with windows [10:25] <LinKage> sorry its the script [10:26] <LinKage> how do i install ? [10:26] <hon> I can have several IPs, so that's not my problem. I jus disconnected the cable, put the hub in the middle and restarted eth0, and well! nothing workd! [10:27] <nikkia> hon, were you using a cross-over cable ? [10:27] <LinKage> it is the sk98lin driver [10:27] <hon> cross over? I don't think so [10:27] <PieD> LinKage: how is it packaged ? [10:27] <nikkia> linkage, i doubt its going to work then [10:27] <LinKage> .tar.bz2 [10:27] <PieD> do they give you rpm files ? [10:27] <nikkia> pied, remember, these might be 'generic' linux drivers, for other marvell cards [10:27] <PieD> nikkia: yes, I remember :) [10:28] <PieD> nikkia: I suppose you checked the latest sk98lin drivers ? [10:28] <LinKage> ~[ PieD ] ~ .tar.bz2 [10:28] <nikkia> pied, 2.6.12.3 [10:28] <nikkia> pied, ie, i checked what my kernel is built from [10:28] <PieD> ok, the latest [10:28] <nikkia> pied, there may be patches for it somewhere, but it is going to be a major headache to get them working if there are [10:29] <PieD> LinKage: can you send your driver on a FTP server for instance? [10:29] <PieD> we'd like to look at it [10:29] <LinKage> well i can put the cd on the laptop n send from there [10:29] <hon> nikkia: do I need to change the ip addresses after put the hub in? [10:29] <LinKage> i can use FlashFTP [10:29] <nikkia> hon, no [10:29] <LinKage> i can use FlashFXP [10:30] <PieD> LinKage: we want the files on a public server [10:30] <PieD> that's the only criteria [10:30] <LinKage> erm.. [10:30] <PieD> you can also send me the files and I'll put them on my website [10:30] <LinKage> details of that public serveR? [10:30] <LinKage> ip for instance? [10:31] <PieD> I don't care ! [10:31] <LinKage> i dont know any FTP's [10:31] <PieD> only a way to access the files [10:31] <PieD> ok, send me the files [10:31] <PieD> I give you my email adress [10:31] <LinKage> email? msn ? [10:31] <PieD> KILL MSN ! [10:31] <LinKage> rofl [10:31] <nikkia> hon, what colour is your ethernet cable ? [10:32] <nikkia> i guess he already unplugged it *shrug* [10:32] <PieD> LinKage: please highlight me when the file is sent [10:33] <nikkia> this ionised air is driving me nuts [10:34] <LinKage> ill rar it n send it [10:34] <LinKage> all at once [10:35] <PieD> don't rar [10:35] <PieD> tar.bz2 are already very well compressed [10:35] <PieD> (better than rar in most case) [10:35] <LinKage> ok [10:35] <PieD> and don't extract a tar.bz2 under windows [10:37] <PieD> LinKage: is the file so big ?? more than five minutes to send it => it'll be refused by the mail servers ! [10:38] <PieD> received [10:38] <LinKage> :) [10:40] <george__> Hi does kubuntu support surround sound? [10:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> My amaroK says yes [10:41] <web250> george__: if it supports your soundcard, and that is surround, i dont see why not [10:41] <george__> i am using ubuntu but it won't work the surround sound [10:43] <PieD> nikkia: http://pinaraf.robertlan.eu.org/install-7_04.tar.bz2 [10:43] <PieD> that's the driver [10:43] <LinKage> so that means we are good to go ? [10:44] <PieD> LinKage: that means I let nikkia explore that driver because I don't know it [10:45] <nikkia> it does support his chipset [10:45] <web250> can someone tell me why vcs7 is causing random x reboots? [10:45] <nikkia> its going to be a pain to get working without networking to install linux-headers tho [10:45] <PieD> nikkia: I let you explain him, I can't continue (it's being late here and I'm really really tired) [10:45] <nikkia> *if* linux-headers and build-essential are enough [10:45] <nikkia> pied, i can't, i'm struggling to think straight because of this storm [10:46] <nikkia> the only thing my mind wants to focus on, is the 'electricity' feeling in my frontal lobes [10:46] <PieD> the CD of kubuntu contains some needed packages for most compilations of drivers [10:46] <PieD> I was able to compile my wireless card driver with it [10:47] <PieD> LinKage: sudo apt-get install gcc linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 [10:47] <apokryphos> PieD: better to recommend build-essential -- brings more in [10:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: problem is, is build-essential on the cd ? [10:48] <PieD> is build-essential on the CD ? [10:48] <apokryphos> hm, it is in MAIN, but that doesn't necessitate it being on the cd [10:48] <LinKage> should i do what u said PieD [10:49] <PieD> LinKage: yes [10:49] <LinKage> ok [10:49] <nikkia> i'm puzzled why the updated driver isn't in the kernel tree [10:49] <PieD> nikkia: license problem ? [10:50] <PieD> pending integration in the mm branch ? [10:50] <PieD> in the 2.6.13-rc* kernels ? [10:50] <nikkia> pied, its shipped as modified versions of the kernel included source [10:50] <nikkia> PieD: ergo, it MUST be GPL legally [10:50] <PieD> but ask them to include it [10:50] <PieD> nikkia: yes, I know (I'm having problems to keep my eyes opened) [10:50] <nikkia> pied, any driver on a CD must, by definition, be older than 2.6.12 though [10:50] <LinKage> ~[ PieD ] ~ finished [10:50] <PieD> LinKage: no error message ? [10:51] <LinKage> nop [10:51] <LinKage> :S [10:51] <LinKage> :D [10:51] <PieD> I was right :) [10:51] <nikkia> pied, the only reason i can think of, is that it seems to be missing support for some sk98lin compatible cards that aren't by marvell [10:51] <nikkia> pied, but still, that should just necessitate the new sources being merged, rather than taken as-is [10:52] <nikkia> pied, oddly, the installer even has an option to generate a patch file against the standard kernel sources [10:52] <LinKage> what i do next? [10:52] <PieD> copy the driver in your home folder for instance [10:53] <PieD> quite good installer [10:53] <PieD> LinKage: that's done ? [10:53] <web250> Why is unloading of vcs7 causing me random x reboots? [10:54] <LinKage> i cant create a new folder :S [10:54] <PieD> in your home ? [10:54] <PieD> that's a joke ? [10:54] <PieD> location in the browser : ~ [10:54] <LinKage> ok done [10:54] <PieD> ok, extract it [10:55] <PieD> (right click => Extract => extract here) [10:55] <LinKage> how do i extract in linux ? [10:55] <LinKage> thnx [10:55] <LinKage> :D [10:55] <PieD> (approximate translation, don't trust me) [10:55] <LinKage> Okay done [10:55] <PieD> can't you stop using unreadable colors ? [10:56] <LinKage> ok [10:56] <LinKage> illl try [10:56] <PieD> go into the created folder [10:56] <LinKage> ok [10:56] <PieD> you've got four files, right ? [10:57] <LinKage> click on the install.sh ? [10:57] <LinKage> yea i have 4 [10:57] <PieD> don't click [10:57] <PieD> their installer isn't graphical [10:57] <LinKage> ok i dont [10:57] <LinKage> ok [10:57] <PieD> Window => show terminal emulation (highly approximate translation) [10:58] <LinKage> you want me to open a terminal ? [10:58] <PieD> yes, in that folder [10:58] <LinKage> ok done [10:58] <PieD> and from the browser you can open a terminal embeded in the browser... [10:58] <PieD> sudo sh install.sh [10:58] <LinKage> ok [10:58] <PieD> type 1 [10:58] <PieD> enter [10:59] <PieD> type y [10:59] <LinKage> proceed Y ? [10:59] <PieD> enter [10:59] <LinKage> hmm i have an error [10:59] <PieD> and for the next steps, I don't know what'll happend since I don't have this network card [10:59] <PieD> what error ? [10:59] <LinKage> check kernel header files (not found) [11:00] <PieD> sh-- [11:00] <LinKage> it said the installation failed [11:00] <LinKage> :/ [11:00] <PieD> yes, I guess [11:00] <nikkia> yeah, i feared that [11:00] <PieD> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-386 [11:00] <nikkia> its looking in /usr/src/linux [11:01] <PieD> nikkia: stupid driver [11:01] <nikkia> unfortunately, /usr/src/linux existing *breaks* 2.6 kernels [11:01] <PieD> s/driver/installer [11:01] <PieD> then manual installation [11:01] <PieD> yipee [11:01] <LinKage> what ? [11:01] <PieD> that driver is outdated [11:02] <PieD> no, installer sorry [11:02] <LinKage> you said its looking for a file [11:02] <LinKage> what if i put the file there? [11:03] <PieD> no it won't work [11:03] <PieD> I'm looking at what that installer does [11:03] <LinKage> ok [11:04] <gelios> hi all!!! [11:06] <nikkia> christ, this is enough to drive someone insane :/ [11:06] <LinKage> it drives me insane although i dont know what happens [11:06] <Will__> drinking [11:07] <Will__> or shouting at people on irc [11:07] <PieD> ok we're going to modify the installer [11:07] <PieD> it may work [11:07] <PieD> right click on install.sh => open with => kate [11:08] <PieD> go to line 741 [11:08] <PieD> (key F11 to show line numbers) [11:08] <LinKage> ok im there [11:08] <PieD> ok [11:09] <PieD> please wait a bit [11:09] <LinKage> ok [11:10] <PieD> LinKage: ok, you select everything from line 745 (if [ -d /usr/src/linux/include/linux/ ] ; then) to line 774 (fi) [11:10] <PieD> oops [11:11] <PieD> my line numbers are wrong [11:11] <PieD> 743 -> 772 [11:11] <nikkia> pied, change it to use the build dir from /lib/modules/KERNEL_VERSION [11:11] <LinKage> done [11:11] <PieD> and you do tool => comment [11:11] <PieD> nikkia: yes, first comment that fucking test [11:11] <LinKage> ok i did [11:12] <_pa> hallo [11:12] <PieD> nikkia: sorry my english vocable is limited [11:12] <PieD> I can't explain what I think clearly [11:12] <_pa> PieD where r u from [11:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: built wine from cvs recently? [11:12] <PieD> LinKage: yet, add two lines after "echo -n "Check kernel header files"" (line 742) [11:12] <PieD> I'm from France [11:13] <PieD> the lines : [11:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: it appears to look for OSX headers, i guess wine on OSX/intel will be sooner rather than later :) [11:13] <_pa> i cant english not so well [11:13] <_pa> :-( [11:13] <pax> in french would that be: putain de merde a la crme fraiche? [11:14] <apokryphos> nikkia: I haven't, no. In fact, I haven't used wine for about 8 months or so [11:14] <PieD> export KERNEL_HEADER="/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build/include" [11:14] <PieD> export KERNEL_SOURCE="/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build" [11:14] <apokryphos> nikkia: funny how new users (including myself) think its the saving grace of Linux. :) [11:14] <nikkia> apokryphos: it also seems to be more than capable of being built to execute win32 code on amd64 *glare at package maintainers* :) [11:14] <apokryphos> s/its/it's [11:14] <PieD> pax: je dirais plutt : installeur crit avec les pieds [11:14] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm only building it to be able to run VST plugins within linux :) [11:14] <pax> PieD: wee wee [11:14] <nikkia> (i use cedega for my games :) [11:15] <PieD> LinKage: you saw the two lines (in the middle of the other messages) [11:15] <LinKage> ok [11:15] <LinKage> copyin [11:15] <apokryphos> nikkia: what's development like for wine? Any idea? [11:15] <apokryphos> nikkia: maybe I should just try it out again, as the proof is in the pudding. ;-) [11:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: seems to vary [11:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: for a long time, it seemed to go nowhere - between about '95 and 2002ish [11:16] <apokryphos> I never knew it was around then. Heh. [11:16] <PieD> LinKage: that's done ? [11:16] <LinKage> ~[ PieD ] ~ done [11:16] <LinKage> now? [11:16] <apokryphos> I actually think there's a deb repository with cvs [11:16] <PieD> save the file [11:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: it appeared not long after WABI, as i remember it, sometime around 93 or 94 [11:16] <PieD> go to the shell [11:16] <LinKage> ok [11:16] <PieD> and relaunch [11:16] <apokryphos> might be the one I have; hm [11:16] <PieD> sudo ./install.sh [11:17] <PieD> it must work yet [11:17] <_pa> _not so quick!!! please!!! [11:17] <nikkia> now WABI, that died a rapid death [11:17] <apokryphos> nikkia: wabi? :z [11:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: Sun's commercial 'windows translation layer' for solaris [11:17] <LinKage> compile the kernel error [11:17] <PieD> what message exactly ? [11:17] <PieD> "compile the kernel" ?? [11:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: they wanted something like 700 for a WABI license, and it was hideously buggy [11:18] <LinKage> compile the kernel (error) [failed] [11:18] <apokryphos> :| [11:19] <apokryphos> nikkia: Solaris OS was quite expensive before? I remember having an image of it as "the best and most expensive OS, what nasa use" because of some man who (I think!) told me [11:19] <apokryphos> no idea what nasa actually use :) [11:19] <nikkia> apokryphos: i wouldn't say it was the most expensive [11:19] <nikkia> apokryphos: and i don't think nasa use it [11:19] <apokryphos> nikkia: didn't it used to be? Not in the thousands? [11:19] <PieD> LinKage: can you give us the last lines of the file install.log ? [11:19] <nikkia> they might have used it at some point, but NASA was mostly an ultrix and SGI place, although i think they have a fair few NT boxes now [11:20] <LinKage> yea one sec [11:20] <nikkia> apokryphos: solaris was expensive, but not 'most expensive' by a long shot [11:20] <nikkia> apokryphos: the pricing on ultrix and OSF/1 would have floored you :) [11:20] <apokryphos> heh [11:21] <nikkia> apokryphos: i once priced out OSF/1 for one of our smaller nodes, it worked out at about 15k, per year [11:21] <apokryphos> yeouch [11:21] <LinKage> ~[ PieD ] ~ ***SUBDIRS=/tmp/sk98IGOWgaQTlVFNaMWghOkYf/all: no such file or directory. STOP [11:21] <nikkia> OSF/1 for our full cluster would have run around 1-2M [11:21] <nikkia> per year [11:21] <LinKage> Compiler error [11:21] <PieD> LinKage: you really can't remove all that colors ? [11:22] <apokryphos> nikkia: is it that good? :) [11:22] <thoreauputic> LinKage: your text is unreadable [11:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: its not 'cheap' [11:22] <apokryphos> so I see [11:22] <LinKage> give me a sec [11:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: our VMS site license was about the same price tho, again, per year [11:23] <apokryphos> nikkia: how big is the company? Or the branch [11:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: its important to remember with DEC, that all their prices were annual fees [11:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: this was when i worked for ICI [11:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm sure you've heard of them :P [11:23] <apokryphos> nikkia: I haven't ;-) [11:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: the cluster was about 50 nodes, mostly single CPU, but a few SMP beasts [11:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: i think i told you the story about when oracle came to try and sell us their database [11:24] <nikkia> they ended up quoting us a 90M price [11:24] <LinKage> hello [11:24] <LinKage> the line is: ***SUBDIRS=/tmp/sk98IGOWgaQTlVFNaMWghOkYf/all: no such file or directory. STOP [11:25] <apokryphos> nikkia: Hah. What's that? You already have a better deal? Ok, thank you, I'll be off now [11:25] <apokryphos> nikkia: I'd find it hard to seriously be some sort of proper salesman [11:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: iirc, we used DEC's rdbm which we got a price cut on, because of our licenses for VMS [11:27] <PieD> LinKage: sorry, I don't know why it does that :/ [11:27] <apokryphos> nikkia: so what was ICI? [11:27] <LinKage> :( [11:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: at one point, the largest chemical company in the world [11:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: since i was there, they've mostly been sold to DuPont [11:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: i think Dulux (ICI's paint division) and their fertiliser divisons are still around, and i imagine the 'plant that does not exist' is still part of ICI [11:29] <apokryphos> "Every day, you see, touch, taste, smell or use products that have been made better thanks to ICI". :P [11:29] <apokryphos> nikkia: so what did you work on there? [11:29] <nikkia> (the plant that does not exist was a section of an ICI chemical plant that officially wasn't there, it had lots of 'biohazard' signs, and armed army guys guarding it, i'll leave it to you to work out what happened there :) [11:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: software [11:30] <apokryphos> heh [11:30] <apokryphos> so that's where they keep all the aliens [11:30] <nikkia> apokryphos: the division i worked for (it was my work placement) produced monitoring and control software for various processes in industry, stuff like power stations, chemical plants, pharmacutical plants, etc [11:31] <LinKage> PieD [11:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, its where they made the WMD that the UK hasn't officially had since the 1950s - bioweapons and chemical weapons [11:31] <LinKage> if choose 2 instead of 1 in the installation it gives a different error [11:31] <LinKage> Check sk98lin driver availabilty (loaded) [11:32] <apokryphos> nikkia: thought it could've been the place where all things thieves steal get put. Was wondering if I'd be able to recover my blue-shiny pen [11:32] <slow-motion> hello [11:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: it took a lot of guts to go on any part of the actual 'plant', tbh [11:33] <apokryphos> nikkia: you went? [11:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: they had these nuclear hardened shelter things that they'd park chemical trucks under, while they were filling them... [11:33] <slow-motion> where has kde the splah-screens file? [11:33] <nikkia> there were abour 20 such shelters around the plant that were 'scattered over about an acre around where it used to be' [11:34] <apokryphos> nikkia: why exactly would the UK produce biological weapons, though? [11:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: 'just in case' [11:34] <apokryphos> nikkia: I can't seem them ever using them, really. In cases of "extreme measures" I'd always see them as going for more painless deaths [11:35] <apokryphos> maybe the mindframe earlier was different [11:35] <PieD> LinKage: what error exactly ? [11:35] <nikkia> apokryphos: bio and chem are actually the most effective mass destruction there is, and if you are attacked, its 'useful' to have some way to retaliate in force [11:35] <PieD> try : [11:35] <PieD> rmmod sk98lin [11:35] <PieD> sorry : sudo rmmod sk98lin [11:36] <LinKage> in the same terminal ? [11:36] <PieD> and then relaunch install.sh [11:36] <PieD> yes [11:36] <apokryphos> nikkia: how come? Though I'm sure that "chemical weapons" etc. is too broad. Probably different ones depending on what you're targetting [11:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: ie, if russia ever used bio on us, which they'd said they gave up bio (but everyone suspected they hadn't, and they actually hadn't), then it would be expected to retaliate with the same method [11:36] <apokryphos> humans/landmarks/both etc [11:36] <LinKage> PieD it says that the module is in use? [11:36] <LinKage> should i reboot? [11:36] <LinKage> or how to kill it ? [11:36] <_pa> bye all [11:37] <PieD> surprising [11:37] <apokryphos> nikkia: I really don't think they ever would, even now. I'd expect some large bomb to be dropped on their behind. Who knows. [11:37] <LinKage> indeed [11:37] <PieD> nikkia: I don't know how to deal with that issue, can you please help ? [11:37] <nikkia> pied, not really [11:37] <PieD> LinKage: then reboot [11:38] <LinKage> ok [11:38] <PieD> there must be way not to reboot [11:38] <PieD> but I don't know them [11:38] <LinKage> its ij [11:38] <LinKage> its ok [11:38] <apokryphos> nikkia: still though.. what does a normal biological weapon consist of? The ones they talked about around sep/11 seemed to vary [11:38] <LinKage> just give me 60 seconds [11:38] <apokryphos> nikkia: most feared were the ones that would just cause diseases that would slowly take your life away [11:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: some sort of containment and vapor vessel containing 'germs' [11:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: how you contain and vapor the particular germ varies, some would need cryo, some don't [11:39] <apokryphos> nikkia: that could spread rapidly, I imagine? Contagious? [11:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: depends on the germs [11:39] <apokryphos> sure [11:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: there was a time in the 80s when everyone was trying to weaponise ebola [11:40] <LinKage> PieD k booted [11:40] <PieD> relaunch the installation [11:40] <PieD> in expert mode too [11:40] <LinKage> PieD should i do that first? sudo rmmod sk98lin? [11:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: one of the most deadly and nasty viruses known to man [11:41] <apokryphos> nikkia: sounds mean [11:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: it basically makes your cells break down, you bleed to death, mostly [11:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: its only saving grace, is that its too deadly to be a real threat to mankind [11:42] <apokryphos> nikkia: and to think that people would want to weaponise this... [11:42] <PieD> LinKage: that's useless [11:42] <PieD> you can directly start the installer [11:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: it actually would make the perfect bio weapon for a superpower type situation (its not so good for terrorists, but it'd still be effective), because it has a high (70-99% depending on strain) leathality, and it doesn't spread far [11:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: the reason it doesn't spread far, is BECAUSE it is so deadly [11:43] <apokryphos> nikkia: how long would it take for death after being infected? [11:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: depends on strain, but usually 2 days to a week [11:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: most of that you are INCREDIBLY sick tho [11:44] <LinKage> how to start the installer again ? [11:44] <apokryphos> nikkia: Yes, not the perfect spreading virus then. Still. [11:45] <apokryphos> nikkia: description of what exactly happens to you, or has in some cases is really quite disturbing :S [11:45] <PieD> LinKage: the same way you first started it [11:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: most of the retro viruses are nasty like that :/ [11:45] <PieD> open a shell in the right folder [11:45] <PieD> sudo ./install.sh [11:45] <LinKage> ok [11:45] <slow-motion> where has kde the splah-screens file? [11:46] <apokryphos> nikkia: hm, and airborne transmission is possible :| [11:46] <LinKage> again the same thing it says that the availability of sk98lin is loaded [11:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, there was a case a while back that showed signs of being airbourne [11:46] <PieD> sudo rmmod sk98lin [11:47] <LinKage> ERROR: Removing sk98lin : Device or resource busy [11:48] <PieD> shit [11:49] <PieD> I can't help you I'm too tired, please nikkia or somebody else help him... :/ [11:49] <apokryphos> nikkia: 100% success-rate vaccines, though? [11:50] <PieD> ho, perhaps an idea [11:50] <PieD> sudo rmmod -f sk98lin [11:50] <LinKage> can some1 tell me where is the menu Network device support ? [11:50] <PieD> (I hope nobody will slaps me :p) [11:50] <PieD> LinKage: in the kernel configuration, you don't have to go there ! [11:50] <PieD> LinKage: so did you try sudo rmmod -f sk98lin ? [11:51] <LinKage> no such file :S [11:51] <PieD> ??? [11:51] <LinKage> no no [11:51] <LinKage> my bad [11:52] <PieD> sudo rmmod -f sk98lin says no such file ? [11:52] <LinKage> Device or resource busy [11:54] <Yannick_R> hello [11:54] <PieD> sudo rmmod -v sk98lin [11:54] <Yannick_R> do you guys know if KDE 3.4.2 is going to come out soon in AMD64 ? [11:55] <PieD> sudo lsmod | grep "sk98lin" [11:55] <PieD> LinKage: do the last command I gave you [11:55] <PieD> and copy here the results [11:55] <slow-motion> where has kde the splah-screens files? [11:56] <LinKage> rmmod sk98lin, wait=no and then again error removing sk98lin device or resource busy [11:59] <PieD> LinKage: and the result of sudo lsmod | grep "sk98lin" ? [12:00] <LinKage> just a number [12:00] <LinKage> sk98lin 149216 0 [12:01] <PieD> I don't understand why it doesn't work ! [12:02] <PieD> sudo kate /etc/hotplug/blacklist [12:02] <PieD> add at the end of the file the line : [12:02] <PieD> sk98lin

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2024-05-13T23:20:37.711983

2005-08-16-#kubuntu-devel

[12:22] <tvo> Riddell: qt-copy/patches/0032-...diff patch does works only half [12:23] <tvo> programs maximize is ok, but panel is still in middle of screen [12:23] <tvo> s/does// [12:23] <tvo> that's the one from kde svn [12:25] <Riddell> tvo: mildy unnerving that [12:27] <tvo> Riddell: and I can't check the old versions of that file thru websvn, it keeps giving me a "ViewCvs Exception" [12:28] <tvo> so I've no clue what they look like [12:28] <Riddell> yeah, websvn doesn't like stuff from before cvs conversion, webcvs should work [12:28] <tvo> ah ok let me check that [12:32] <tvo> revision 1.4 is the first small one, before that they're all like the gentoo one but slightly diffferent [12:33] <Riddell> well if it's good enough for gentoo... [12:33] <tvo> yeah :) it was pretty recent too [12:34] <tvo> 03/2005 [12:35] <tvo> no that's just the webpage, it's the 2003 patch [12:35] <tvo> rev 1.1 in kde was 2003 too [12:36] <Riddell> hmm, adding 2 year old patches that KDE has replaced doesn't seem like a good idea [12:37] <Riddell> what's the URL to the patch again? [12:38] <tvo> http://johanneswilm.isasecret.com/TC1000/0032-fix_rotated_randr.diff [12:39] <Riddell> same as mandrake uses http://ktown.kde.org/~binner/distributor-patches/Mandrake/10.2/qt3-3.3.4-5mdk/0032-fix_rotated_randr.diff [12:41] <tvo> yup [12:41] <Riddell> I'll compile it and if it doesn't break I'll upload it :) [12:42] <tvo> ok, cool - it didn't break for me :) [12:45] <tvo> it's revision 1.2 in kde repo's to be exact [12:46] <tvo> sorry, 1.3 - 1.2 isn't a toplevel patch [12:50] <tvo> g'night- need some sleep:) [08:09] <pef> hello [11:16] <pef> allee: hi, I've uploaded the last (I hope) correction of my package http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=341 [11:25] <jpatrick> ping allee [11:40] <allee> pef: hi, I just got my REVU upl/rev account. I'm quite busy right now. I'll have a look later. [11:40] <allee> jpatrick: just ask, and I'll anwser later if I can [11:40] <jpatrick> I can't make dh_make work [11:41] <jpatrick> says I should go to the sources fodler and I am there [03:21] <jpatrick> Can I help with docs? [05:32] <pef> re [05:49] <allee> hi pef. [05:49] <pef> allee: hi [05:49] <allee> do you use kvpnc with cisco? [05:50] <pef> no [05:50] <allee> ah, pitty but not your fault ;) [05:50] <pef> you have problems with ? [05:53] <allee> did got it working a year ago (but I'm sure it was my fault ;) [05:54] <allee> cisco vpn is used in another insitute my users visite regularity and I can't test here. Always a pain [05:55] <allee> now i'm plan to switch my users to kubuntu and give kvpnc another try [06:02] <pef> allee: there is no patents issues with the cisco vpn protocol ? [06:07] <allee> I've read it's possible with free software. But one had to crash a key ;) [06:08] <allee> Old method was unsecure and therefore replaced. No idea how it works now. That's why I asked if maybe you use it ;) [06:11] <allee> pef: bye have to leave. [07:14] <pef> bye ! [08:15] <jpatrick> anyone here? [08:57] <jpatrick> can anyone point me to what I can do to help with the docs? [10:57] <Riddell> jpatrick: froud is your man to ask [10:57] <Riddell> jpatrick: not on the channel just now though [11:20] <jpatrick> okay Riddell

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2024-05-13T23:20:37.731316

2005-08-20-#ubuntu-meeting

[08:56] <ondrej> hi all, is this place where Community Council meeting happens? [08:58] <smurfix> ondrej: Yes, but that is tomorrow 12:00 UTC. See the topic. [08:58] <ondrej> I know, but I was not able to find this info on web, so I am asking before that time :-)

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:37.736335

2005-08-20-#ubuntu-toolchain

[06:09] <fabbione> morning

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:37.737748

2005-08-20-#ubuntu-motu

[12:50] <tseng> wow beagle actually works 100% out of the box [12:54] <ajmitch_> is user_xattr set, or does it not need to be now? [12:55] <tseng> its not a hard requirement now [12:55] <ajmitch_> great [12:55] <tseng> its more like "you really want this" [12:55] <tseng> it falls back on sqlite and is slow [12:56] <ajmitch_> might be good to put something in README.Debian or even NEWS.Debian about that [12:56] <tseng> well it soon wont be my package anymore [12:56] <tseng> we get to complain to someone else [12:56] <ajmitch_> you'rr going to use the debian package? [12:57] <tseng> sure, after a few swings of the cluebat [12:57] <tseng> oh how about that, he just responded [12:57] <ajmitch_> hopefully he can put it under group maintenance [12:58] <ajmitch_> or at least in svn [12:58] <tseng> yeah he mentioned putting it in arch for him and me [12:58] <tseng> i will propose pkg-mono [01:01] <tseng> oh you did mail him the gaim fix right? [01:03] <ajmitch_> no I haven't sorry [01:03] <tseng> ok [01:03] <ajmitch_> will file that as a bug [01:03] <tseng> hm right [01:03] <tseng> debugs baffles me [01:03] <ajmitch_> I've had a few years to get used to it [01:03] <tseng> when is a web interface not a web interface? [01:04] <ajmitch_> when it doesn't let you interface with it [01:04] <tseng> a: dbs [01:05] <tseng> hm i thought id fixed f-spot in ubuntu [01:05] <tseng> i guess not [01:06] <tseng> i should just sync yours [01:06] <tseng> that is uploaded, right? [01:08] <tseng> mailed [01:08] <ajmitch_> yes, thanks [01:08] <ajmitch_> was going to ask elmo for sync [01:08] <ajmitch_> got distracted (again) [01:09] <tseng> is it wrong that i want a *second* $800 lcd? [01:10] <ajmitch_> no, it's wrong that you have *one* & I don't [01:10] <Burgundavia> tseng, where did you get those beauties? [01:10] <ajmitch_> although I do have a 21" & a 17" crt on my desk at home [01:10] <tseng> Burgundavia: apple.com [01:10] <ajmitch_> dual-head goodness [01:10] <Burgundavia> tseng, lucky bastard [01:12] <tseng> i dont know about that [01:13] <tseng> i do have to work for it :) [01:13] <Burgundavia> right [01:14] <ajmitch_> only new hardware I've bought recently is a phone [01:47] <tseng> im feeling pretty good about breezy now that ive just done a clean install [01:47] <tseng> pretty much everything is working [01:47] <tseng> even my stuff [01:47] <tseng> :P [01:48] <ajmitch_> that's a good sign [01:48] <ajmitch_> even universe is in a fairly good shape, which is a surprise :) [01:48] <tseng> i wish i knew what to do with mythtv [01:48] <tseng> i miss it [02:02] <Burgundavia> geez, the buildlogs are all green [02:03] <Burgundavia> you think we actually produce working code around here or something [02:14] <hub> " -automated control managment... remove this please ;)" [02:14] <hub> what does that mean ? [02:14] <hub> I'm not allowed to regenarte control from control.in ? [03:02] <ajmitch_> hub: yes, that's what it says, a number of people don't like control.in, and others, like debian gnome team, use it a lot [03:29] <bmonty> is there other things besides the cdbs build-depends that the control.in buys you? [03:29] <hub> well, that's what the cdbs tells to use [03:29] <hub> btw, I was just asking [03:30] <ajmitch_> bmonty: for debian, the Uploaders field [03:30] <bmonty> hub: I'm curious myself :) but it doesn't sound like control.in really gets you much, is that why people don't like it? [03:31] <bmonty> seems like it would make the build process a little more complicated without much gain [03:31] <hub> well, no really [03:31] <ajmitch_> it's not nearly as evil as modifying debian/rules at build time ;) [03:32] <bmonty> who modifies the rules at build time? [03:32] <ajmitch_> noone sane [03:32] <ajmitch_> and I doubt it would work [03:32] <bmonty> BTW, for breezy packages is cdbs or debhelper prefered? [03:33] <ajmitch_> bmonty: what do you mean, 'or'? [03:33] <ajmitch_> cdbs uses debhelper for a lot of tasks [03:33] <bmonty> ok....to use or not to use cdbs :) [03:33] <ajmitch_> depends on the package, but we recommend using cdbs once you understand what is going on :) [03:34] <bmonty> I like the fact that I don't have to create long lists of debhelper scripts in the rules file [03:36] <ajmitch_> yes, btu it does mean that you can package stuff without knowing what is going on underneath [03:36] <ajmitch_> which can be dangerous [03:37] <bmonty> you could say the same thing of debhelper....I felt that way the first time I messed with it [03:39] <ajmitch_> that's why some AMs in debian require their NM candidates to package shomething without debhelper [03:39] <ajmitch_> my typing has really gone downhill lately :) [04:35] <ajmitch_> nasty, someone still having issues with bugzilla #6805 (muine/ppc) [04:37] <ajmitch_> tseng: I'll test it out on the ppc box at home & see if it's still valid [05:07] <sol> hello [05:07] <sol> running hoary amd64, installed seagate sata, fdisk freezes [05:07] <sol> something about... deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert it to SG_IO [05:08] <sol> is there an existing kernel that will allow me to use the sata with hoary? [05:08] <sol> kernel pkg that is [05:09] <crimsun> sol: default Hoary kernel should, unless your SATA chipset is too new. In that case you can try recompiling Breezy's kernel. (Btw, this is better asked in #ubuntu.) [05:10] <sol> i did ask in ubuntu, sorry [05:10] <sol> thanx [05:10] <crimsun> np, I've only now reattached. [05:11] <sol> crimsun: is breezy's kernel a deb package? [05:11] <sol> oh [05:11] <sol> breezy the ubuntu release? [05:12] <Lathiat> indeed [05:12] <sol> should i only grab the kernel? or go forward with distro upgrade? [05:12] <Lathiat> well [05:13] <Lathiat> ... an upgrade might work ;p [05:13] <sol> lol [05:13] <sol> right [05:13] <Lathiat> fdisk shoudlnt break with that error tho [05:13] <Lathiat> thats just a warning [05:13] <Lathiat> not an error [05:13] <Lathiat> tried cfdisk? [05:13] <sol> it never breaks [05:13] <sol> that is dmesg [05:13] <Lathiat> you said it freezes [05:13] <sol> cfdisk and parted same thing [05:13] <sol> freezes yes [05:13] <Lathiat> its not from that [05:16] <sol> may i paste two lines here? [05:19] <Lathiat> sure [05:23] <sol> sorry [05:23] <sol> here is the dmesg line upon parted attempt [05:23] <sol> Aug 14 17:03:58 localhost kernel: program gparted is using a deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert it [05:23] <sol> to SG_IO [05:23] <sol> er, messages [05:23] <Lathiat> like i siad, its just a deprecation warning [05:24] <sol> there are no other meaningful messages i can find other than ata1 being busy at shutdown [05:24] <sol> etc... [05:24] <Lathiat> well that sucks :) [05:24] <sol> lol [05:24] <Lathiat> sure the disk isnt bad or something? [05:24] <sol> i have no way of checking really [05:24] <sol> brand new [06:06] <chillywilly> bah, old openvpn package in hoary [06:07] <crimsun> hoary-backports should have 2.0-3 built from breezy [06:07] <crimsun> (yes, I know 2.0-4 is in sid) [06:08] <chillywilly> hmmm, I have backports added thoguh [06:10] <chillywilly> oh, backports does not cover my architecture [06:10] <chillywilly> will have to rebuild the package anyway [06:11] <chillywilly> this is a dual amd64 box :) [06:14] <chillywilly> 2.0-3 should be good enough ;) [07:04] <chillywilly> hey, what version can I give a package that I built from sid sources for my own personal use so that if breezy gets the newer version it will then be upgraded? [07:06] <crimsun> 2.0-4 from sid? [07:07] <chillywilly> yea :) [07:12] <crimsun> try 2.0-4~3ubuntu1 [07:13] <chillywilly> why 4~3...? [07:14] <crimsun> so -4 is higher than what's currently in breezy (-3) [presuming 2.0-4 goes in OR 2.0-4ubuntuX goes in] , but your local (-3ubuntu1) is higher than what's in hoary [07:15] <crimsun> at the same time it attempts to retain the original sid versioning [07:15] <crimsun> you don't have to mark it ubuntu1; you can use chillywilly1 or whatever [07:16] <chillywilly> ok [08:23] <sivang> hello everyone [08:28] <cat> hello sivang [08:29] <sivang> hey cat , how is it going? [08:30] <cat> here fixing my bugs on bx [08:34] <cat> and you'r self [09:27] <HostingGeek> hmmm [09:27] <HostingGeek> who said they will fix x-g [09:27] <HostingGeek> oh yea [09:27] <HostingGeek> me [09:27] <HostingGeek> /slap HostingGeek [09:38] <ajmitch_> tseng: malone #1770 looks odd, as muine has deps on mono-classlib-1.0, perhaps not tight enough? [10:49] <\sh> ogra: pingeling [10:50] <ogra> pongelung [10:50] <cat> darn it, [10:50] <\sh> ogra: do u have any objections for having special not official main supported kernel packages in universe? [10:51] <\sh> ogra: what I'm thinking about is having kernel images for different computer models, with patches applied, which will never make it into main [10:51] <\sh> or vanilla kernel [10:52] <ogra> \sh, please contact the kernel team about that... i.e. fabbione :) [10:53] <ogra> i fthey have no objections its fine with me... but remember the many people that installd the totally broken bitkeeper snapshot fromuniverse in hoary [10:53] <ogra> just because it was 2.11 [10:53] <cat> hey ogra listen i'm a bitchx developer is there any way i can take the bx packaged on ubuntu? [10:54] <\sh> ogra: well..actually I'm thinking about providing special kernels for installation media and running kernels for things like these crappy toshiba drivers [10:54] <\sh> cat: we don't know something like maintainers...in ubuntu. so if you want to change something on the package...please do and provide patches, become a motu and help us [10:55] <ogra> cat, you are upstream maintainer or debian maintainer for it ? [10:56] <cat> i'm just a bitchx developer ogra [10:56] <ogra> so upstream ... [10:56] <cat> yeah [10:57] <ogra> and the 1.0 version we ship is to old ? [10:57] <cat> naw [10:58] <ogra> hmm, then i dont understand the question i fear [10:58] <cat> well i wanted it to take over the bitchx packaged for ubuntu but i fear someone has it (: [10:58] <\sh> ogra: he wants to maintain the package in ubuntu [10:58] <\sh> cat: again...we don't have maintainership in ubuntu.. [10:58] <ogra> cat, we dont have personalized packages [10:59] <cat> aj [10:59] <cat> *oh [10:59] <ogra> cat, we do everything as a team... even if some have their favorite packages .... [10:59] <cat> oh ic [11:00] <cat> damn there's nothing i can do on ubuntu =) [11:00] <cat> hehe [11:02] <\sh> cat: we have enough to get u working for ubuntu :) [11:02] <cat> such as \sh ? [11:02] <ogra> and indeed you could maintain the bitchX package.... (if ubuntu specific changes are required) [11:04] <ogra> we all have ur favorite packages nobody else would touch without asking... but unlike debian you dont get a flamewar if you really touch someone elses stuff :) [11:04] <cat> true, [11:04] <cat> well my main goal is to worked, on ubuntu doing something [11:04] <cat> but i still haven't find anything [11:05] <siretart> cat: if you think, something needs to be done on the ubuntu bitchx package, just go on and improve it. we appreciate every contribution :) [11:05] <siretart> hi folks [11:06] <ogra> cat: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo [11:06] <ogra> (assuming thats up to date) [11:06] <cat> siretart: well there's nothing to be changed (: [11:06] <ogra> morning siretart [11:07] <siretart> hi ogra [11:07] <ogra> cat, look at "How to help / Ongoing tasks" [11:21] <herve> hello [11:29] <\sh> herve: nice to see u :) [11:29] <herve> yeah, sometimes my life gets back to normal :-) [11:29] <herve> though it's hard to type with a cat in your arms [11:34] <herve> ho, there will be a xorg 6.9 [11:34] <herve> I though 7.0 was the next one [11:37] <Mithrandir> 6.9 and 7.0 are equivalent, except for the build system [11:37] <Mithrandir> 6.9 is the last monolithic [11:37] <herve> ho, we really are heading the 7.0 [11:40] <\sh> ok...lets try to build something in this baby [11:43] <jsgotangco> ooohh portege toy... [11:44] <ajmitch_> jsgotangco: you got your laptop now? [11:44] <ajmitch_> or is it still held up in customs? :) [11:45] <jsgotangco> oh i love those customs people [11:45] <\sh> jsgotangco: what u r getting? [11:45] <ajmitch_> heh [11:45] <jsgotangco> im getting the Tecra M2 tommorow [11:46] <ajmitch_> nice [11:46] <jsgotangco> ajmitch_, are you getting one as well? [11:46] <Treenaks> I'm getting "a HP", but I don't know which one yet [11:46] <ajmitch_> jsgotangco: dell inspiron 710m [11:46] <ajmitch_> that's what I heard, anyway [11:47] <jsgotangco> i think the dells are a bit delayed [11:47] <ajmitch_> 510m, sorry [11:48] <ajmitch_> wouldn't surprise me if they were [11:48] <jsgotangco> nice review on the 510m though [11:50] <ajmitch_> yep [11:52] <Treenaks> I have no idea what to expect yet :) [11:53] <Treenaks> so I've started filling the template for my old 600MHz craptop :) [11:53] <ajmitch_> heh [11:53] <Treenaks> \o/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/AsusL7300G [11:54] <herve> I have a 386SX 16 MHz, now beat this :-) [11:54] <Treenaks> herve: that won't run ubuntu afaik [11:54] <ajmitch_> herve: laptop? :) [11:55] <herve> portable at least :-) [11:55] <jsgotangco> CGA graphics? :) [11:55] <herve> no vga, but gray [11:55] <Treenaks> MCGA 8) [11:55] <jsgotangco> talk about vintage on the wiki :) [11:56] <herve> I see this: "the laptop when I didn't even know how to walk" [11:56] <Treenaks> herve: my parents have one of these: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/5705/p70.html [11:56] <Treenaks> herve: and one of these: http://www.computercloset.org/IBMPortablePC.htm [11:57] <herve> ho no, it's not that old [11:57] <Treenaks> herve: then you're too young ;) [11:57] <jsgotangco> we used to have a portable trs 80 then [11:57] <herve> no I exagerated, I don't even know its year [11:58] <ajmitch_> Treenaks: I want one! [11:59] <ajmitch_> ooh, nice usplash [12:00] <\sh> ajmitch_: usplash? if this is the thing what I'm looking at when I'm booting up the actual dev kernel...then it's shiddy ,-) [12:01] <ajmitch_> \sh: it's a start ;) [12:01] <ajmitch_> hmm [12:01] <ajmitch_> laptop not booting, I wonder what's wrong now... [12:01] <ajmitch_> ah, 180 days without fsck [12:02] <\sh> ajmitch_: we should have something like the gentoo splash...this was really nice...and a windowed vga console ,-) [12:02] <ajmitch_> \sh: and we're limited to vga16fb, of course :) [12:02] <Treenaks> ajmitch_: what? an IBM Portable? [12:02] <ajmitch_> Treenaks: sure [12:03] <\sh> ajmitch_: change it ,-) [12:03] <ajmitch_> \sh: change what part? [12:05] <ajmitch_> yay, xkb complaints on login [12:10] <tseng> ajmitch_: luis did the same thing [12:10] <tseng> ajmitch_: there was some kind of upgrade issue [12:10] <ajmitch_> tseng: right, that's a worry [12:10] <ajmitch_> since the Depends look fine [12:10] <tseng> i just did a clean install yesterday and its fine [12:11] <jsgotangco> brb [12:23] <tseng> is there a known issue with no sound in clean breezy installs, btw? [12:29] <tseng> ajmitch_: sounds like beagle et al will be in baz to start [12:30] <tseng> ajmitch_: he is really excited about giving us power to branch and merge [12:30] <ajmitch_> yeah, baz is pretty nice for that [12:31] <tseng> buh at ppc mono bug [12:31] <ajmitch_> madduck just held a baz & debian packaging session the other day on irc [12:31] <tseng> right [12:31] <ajmitch_> tseng: yeah I'll try & get the downstairs imac booted up & test it [12:31] <tseng> i think i had this bug filed a year ago [12:31] <ajmitch_> installed hoary on it a few weeks back [12:32] <tseng> and invalidated it after a few ppc tests [12:32] <tseng> and upstream says fixed [12:32] <ajmitch_> yes, and it only seems to show up on a few boxes - now after a few months someone has it again [12:32] <tseng> $ mcs --version [12:32] <tseng> &#65279;Mono C# compiler version 0.91.0.0 [12:32] <tseng> i mean [12:32] <ajmitch_> ancient.. [12:32] <tseng> thats ancient history [12:33] <tseng> the bug is from 05/2004 [12:33] <ajmitch_> then why does someone see it on a current hoary box? [12:33] <ajmitch_> it just doesn't make sense [12:34] <tseng> yheah [12:34] <tseng> not that we can do much about hoary anyway [12:36] <tseng> oh this is the same bug [12:36] <tseng> that i closed [12:41] <ajmitch_> yep [12:41] <ajmitch_> ok, on the mac now [12:46] <ajmitch_> looks like it'll take a few minuts [12:57] <ajmitch_> tseng: wonderful, I get the SIGILL on hoary [01:08] <ajmitch_> brb [01:08] <Q-FUNK> who maintains the bazar branch of planner/main? [01:09] <Q-FUNK> is that ever merged back into the Ubuntu packages? [01:09] <Q-FUNK> http://arch.ubuntu.com/planner@bazaar.ubuntu.com/planner--MAIN--0/ [01:11] <Mithrandir> that's probably a mirror of the planner CVS. [01:12] <Q-FUNK> hmm. ok [01:13] <shawarma> Question: I've upgraded to Breezy (and hence firefox 1.0.6) and the fonts in firefox are QUITE a bit larger than before.... Can anyone tell me why? [01:22] <shawarma> Ok, let me rephrase: Does anyone else have larger fonts in firefox after upgrading to Breezy? [01:23] <ogra> shawarma, this is not a support channel and i'm sure there are some bugreports open about it [01:26] <shawarma> The topic of #ubuntu says not to use Breezy and I figured there would be more people actually running Breezy in here. I'm asking because I'm willing to work on fixing it, and it helps a lot to know if it's a common wellknown problem or something specific to my system.. [01:28] <ogra> this is the channel for universe package development... we dont even touch firefox if you want to help fixing, go to #ubuntu-devel ... [01:28] <ajmitch> ah, faster DSL finally :) [01:29] <ogra> shawarma, it helps a lot if you look in bugzilla first, thats an ancient cairo/ff bug.... ;) [01:29] <ogra> there must be several reports [01:33] <shawarma> ogra: Cairo? [01:35] <shawarma> ogra: Oh, and I can't seem to find any bug report about it in bugzilla? Do you have a link available? [01:57] <Yagisan> ajmitch, whats DSL like over in NZ ? [02:05] <Yagisan> Odd. Is there anyway I can force my package to uninstall the previous version BEFORE installing my new one ? [02:07] <Yagisan> it is causing some issues with leaving files behind. I could rm them, but that seems like a hack [02:12] <ajmitch> Yagisan: DSL in NZ is bad [02:12] <ajmitch> nearly as bad as .au :) [02:13] <ajmitch> I'd say worse, but we *just* got 2Mbps available [02:13] <ajmitch> Yagisan: w.r.t your packages, use Conflicts/Replaces fields in debian/control [02:14] <ajmitch> if files are moved between packages.. otherwise I'm not sure what you mean? [02:31] <Yagisan> Sorry ajmitch - had to feed bub. [02:32] <Yagisan> WRT my packages, a dpkg-divert moved packages, and became policy compliant at the same time [02:33] <Yagisan> DSL does look better in NZ :( [02:33] <ajmitch> Yagisan: that's funny, I was on 256/128 until yesterday [02:33] <ajmitch> I wouldn't call that better :) [02:33] <Yagisan> I had dialup until I went to UDU [02:34] <Yagisan> I pay for 1500/256 but I wouldn't say its reliable [02:34] <Yagisan> and I know the copper cables could do better [02:35] <Yagisan> WRT my packages - go with a rm hack ? [02:38] <Yagisan> I have replaces, but no conflicts in my control. I'll rebuild a see if I still need a rm hack [02:38] <ajmitch> rm hacks are not good to do [02:39] <ajmitch> ah, you were at UDU as well? [02:39] <Yagisan> I know - I'll find out in 10mins if I still need to do it [02:39] <Yagisan> yeah, I met you andrew [02:39] <ajmitch> yeah sorry, I don't recognise irc nicks I don't see often :) [02:40] <Yagisan> I signed your key and 6days later had my machine die taking my old key down with it :( [02:40] <ajmitch> ouch :) [02:40] <Yagisan> lesson to self, never store backups on cheap cds - when you need them they don't restore [02:40] <Mithrandir> or verify your backups. [02:41] <Yagisan> verified yes, but that was 4 weeks prior [02:41] <Yagisan> moved to a RAID5 for hdd, and DVD+RW for backups now [02:43] <Yagisan> anyone ppc here ? [02:44] <ajmitch> yes, I've got ppc running at the moment [02:45] <Yagisan> after I've finished with my package, could you see if it builds in ppc for me [02:45] <ajmitch> ok, it's only got hoary at the moment [02:45] <ajmitch> but I can test [02:46] <Yagisan> that's fine - it's targeted at hoary while I develop it. [02:47] <ajmitch> ok [02:51] <Yagisan> hooray - succesfull migration [03:07] <bddebian> Howdy [03:07] <Yagisan> G'day [03:11] <ajmitch> hi bddebian [03:12] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch [03:13] <bddebian> Heya \sh [03:14] <\sh> re [03:14] <\sh> grmpf [03:15] <\sh> why are they delivering a dvd rom for recovery when there is no dvd rom.. [03:15] <\sh> stupid [03:15] <\sh> i can't even pxe this image [03:17] <ajmitch> bzr is certainly interesting, just playing with it for packaging some of my stuff [04:14] <mbreit> hi [04:16] <bddebian> Heya mbreit [04:23] <bddebian> Heya ogra [04:26] <Nafallo> yay microsoft centered supports! [04:26] <bddebian> ? [04:27] <Nafallo> I just talked to my laptops supportcentre after my optical unit acting up [04:27] <Nafallo> they can't ensure things will work on linux [04:28] <Nafallo> so I told them I can, I got a log of the errors the kernel tell me when I insert a CD, I'm in the developteam for the operative system I'm using and their hardware just turned crappy. [04:28] <Nafallo> they'll send me a new burner this week :-). [04:30] <bddebian> Ahh :-) [04:31] <Nafallo> I knew something was up when I couldn't use one of those hoary livecds I got with the mail ;-) [04:32] <Nafallo> seems to work with one of my burned CDs though [04:32] <Nafallo> but not with a blank one [04:32] <Nafallo> anyway, odd, and I'll get a new drive ;-) [04:35] <Seveas> Nafallo, lol :) [04:46] <mbreit> can someone upload my passepartout-fix for me? [04:59] <tseng> ajmitch: "wonderful" indeed [04:59] <tseng> ajmitch: tried breezy? [05:52] <Yagisa1> Anyone here with experience in putting a shell script "doghouse" around a badly designed program ? [05:52] <tseng> like a chroot? [05:52] <Yagisa1> more like a diversion [05:53] <Yagisa1> the app in question, craps in the CWD [05:53] <Yagisa1> I set up a doghouse to contain it to $HOME/.deng [05:53] <Yagisa1> but I seem to have made a mistake in setting up dpkg-divert [05:54] <Yagisa1> in my preinst [05:55] <Yagisa1> I set up two diverts, one to move the app to .real, and one to move my .sh to the original command location [05:56] <Yagisa1> but it errors on install, so this is a bad thing [06:00] <Yagisa1> OK. I'll go with one divert, and symlink. See if it works better like that. [06:26] <Nafallo> what's wrong with kazehakase? [06:27] <ogra_ltsp> is there something wrong ? [06:27] <ogra_ltsp> except the strange name [06:27] <Nafallo> Build-Dep: mozilla-dev (<= 2:1.7.8) [06:27] <Nafallo> Build-Conflict: mozilla-dev (<= 2:1.7.9) [06:28] <Nafallo> the binary deps mozilla-browser and conflicts with the same versions [06:28] <ogra_ltsp> ouch [06:32] <Nafallo> ogra_ltsp: I take care of it though. I'll ask the user to file a bug on malone :-). [06:32] <Nafallo> karma, here we come! :-) [06:33] <ogra_ltsp> :) [06:35] <highvoltage> ogra_ltsp: you're on ltsp? [06:36] <ogra_ltsp> zup [06:36] <ogra_ltsp> with breoken kezmap as zou can see :) [06:37] <ogra_ltsp> tried the edubuntu daily..... but its still to broken ... you cnt easily work wround the breakage yet [06:37] <Nafallo> ogra_ltsp: what steps shall I take when I want to book #ubuntu-meeting? ;-) [06:37] <ogra_ltsp> just look at the Calendar... if nothing is scheduled, grab it [06:40] <Nafallo> oki :-) [06:41] <siretart> re [06:41] <siretart> Does anyone know if Andrew McMillan does irc? [06:44] <siretart> and more importantly, do DD cound as reviewer fuer REVU purposes? [06:44] <siretart> I'd say yes, but wanted to hear a second opinion [06:47] <ubuntuguy> anyone: ndiswrapper will not modprobe insert. Modprobe reports a fatal error. Does anyone know how to fix this? [06:48] <jabra> what is the error? [06:48] <ubuntuguy> the error is not specific [06:48] <ubuntuguy> it simply states fatal error can not insert [06:48] <ubuntuguy> or something real close to that [06:49] <ogra> can you carry that to a support channel like #ubuntu please ? [06:50] <ogra> this is one for universe development... [06:50] <ubuntuguy> ogra: sorry, I tried there, I'm desperate. [06:52] <ubuntuguy> several people have reported this error on a thread on the ubuntuforums.org [06:52] <ubuntuguy> thanks anyway [06:53] <ogra> someone should tell the people that forums are not the place to report bugs if they want them solved *sigh* [06:54] <zul> yeah especially when the kernel-team doesnt really read the forums :) [06:54] <Nafallo> does any team? ;-) [06:54] <Treenaks> maybe the docteam? [06:55] <Treenaks> speaking of the kernel team, *points at bugzilla#2129* [06:55] <bddebian> heh [06:57] <siretart> ok, bye folks. cu tomorrow [06:57] <bddebian> Later siretart [06:58] <Treenaks> ogra: there is a "Burgundavia team"? [06:58] <bddebian> Hehe [06:58] <Treenaks> I mean.. fanboys OK, but a whole team? [07:00] <ogra> Nafallo, https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1775 ;) [07:03] <Nafallo> ogra: thanx :-). I assigned it to me and marked it accepted. dep-wait on eveything else I have to do (meeting in 2h and aspell transition) :-) [07:05] <ogra> dylis in #ubuntu-bugs is very helpful ;) [07:05] <ogra> err dilys [07:06] <zul> what is the url for the package search? [07:07] <bddebian> packages.ubuntu.com [07:08] <zul> thanks bddebian [07:41] <Treenaks> "Configuring bicyclerepair" ??! WTF? [07:42] <ogra> whats wron with that Treenaks ? [07:42] <tseng> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/bicyclerepair [07:42] <Treenaks> ogra: It's a laptop, not a bicycle :) [07:42] <Treenaks> tseng: oh cool [07:43] <\sh> i can't use the laptop as phone [07:43] <Treenaks> \sh: why not? [07:43] <\sh> cause no mic jack [07:43] <Treenaks> \sh: most laptops have builtin mics [07:43] <\sh> only internal one [07:43] <\sh> but's bull**** cause of my headset [07:44] <\sh> a external mic is even better [07:44] <ogra> hey, dont complain, at least it can fix your bike :) [07:44] <\sh> what? [07:46] <\sh> the other things like bluetooth can only be enabled via acpi call...and without a kernel patch nothing happens [07:46] <\sh> the applies to suspend and hibernate [07:46] <\sh> there i have to patch acpid [07:47] <\sh> all patches even the NIC driver are refused from upstream [07:47] <\sh> so I have to build my own kernel and acpid for this laptop [07:47] <\sh> and provide some experimental install media [07:48] <\sh> let me all document this with coreys new template [07:48] <\sh> so..this laptop is not ubuntu compatible at all [07:49] <\sh> ,-) [08:30] <Tonio> hi everyone [08:30] <Tonio> I have a little problem complying with md5sum with a package [08:30] <Tonio> can someone give me just 2 minutes ? [09:45] <bddebian> Heya Mez [09:45] <\sh> Mez: did fabbione reached u? [09:46] <Mez> er, no [09:46] <Mez> sup? [09:46] <\sh> Mez: somebody backported the kernel [09:47] <Mez> what the fuck? [09:47] <bddebian> Such language.. :-) [09:47] <Mez> sorry.. [09:47] <bddebian> I'm kidding : [09:47] <bddebian> ) [09:47] <Mez> \sh: unofficial? [09:48] <\sh> Mez: he just mentioned it...and wanted to assign some bugs to the backport SPOC :) [09:48] <Mez> \sh: the kernel shouldnt have been backported [09:48] <\sh> Mez: thats what he said [09:49] <Mez> Looking at this, it's only been backported for warty [09:50] <Mez> and thats only 2.6.10 [09:50] <\sh> email him.. [09:56] <Mez> \sh - It's not backports.. [10:09] <Treenaks> \o/ -> foodfight.org/log (now all I need is syndication on planet) [10:47] <ajmitch> morning all [10:56] <bddebian> Morning ajmitch [11:02] <jdong> hey, why's breezy's clamav not in sync with debian? [11:05] <ajmitch> jdong: because it's after upstream version freeze & noone has requested an exception? [11:06] <ogra> ajmitch, after feature freeze even .... which is more strict [11:06] <ajmitch> true [11:07] <ajmitch> ogra: so do you think I can get f-spot 0.1.0 into breezy? [11:07] <ogra> i'd like to hear tsengs opinion, but if it works on amd64 i'll vote for it *g* [11:07] <ajmitch> heh [11:08] <ajmitch> I'll do a pkg-mono upload for debian & see how it goes [11:18] <whiprush> that photo import from the camera for fspot [11:18] <whiprush> need it so ... badly ... [11:20] <ajmitch> whiprush: don't worry, we can feed your addiction.. [11:20] <whiprush> <3 [11:21] <whiprush> then next cycle we can argue about media players all day [11:22] <StoneTable> rol [11:23] <ajmitch> ah, f-spot_0.1.0-1_i386.deb built [11:24] <ajmitch> bbiab [11:29] <tseng> ogra: im cool with f-spot, after i look at it [11:30] <ogra> oki, go for it then :) [11:30] <ogra> to make whiprush happy ;) [11:31] <tseng> i have been using cvs [11:36] <tseng> nice [11:36] <tseng> crasher [11:36] <tseng> help - about [11:43] <ajmitch> ah this work box is unbearably slow in the morning [11:44] <mbreit> hi all... [11:44] <mbreit> could somebody upload my passepartout-fix? [11:50] <crimsun> url? [11:50] <mbreit> http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/passepartout_0.6-1ubuntu1.debdiff [11:50] <mbreit> (and yes, i hate those config.sub/.guess things in a debdiff...)

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:37.742871

2005-08-20-#ubuntu-kernel

[06:09] <fabbione> morning [07:43] <fabbione> Mithrandir: so.. why do we need unionfs udebs? [07:44] <Mithrandir> for the live cd [07:44] <Mithrandir> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDFeatures [07:45] <fabbione> ok [07:45] <fabbione> i am unfucking the baz repo now [07:45] <fabbione> to resync with the last 2 kernel uploads [07:46] <fabbione> and after that we can open devel dances again [08:44] <Mithrandir> fabbione: so you've added unionfs now? [08:44] <Mithrandir> or should I? [08:45] <fabbione> Mithrandir: i am still branching and merging... [08:45] <Mithrandir> ok [08:46] <fabbione> Mithrandir: but i can do it.. so don't worry about it [08:47] <Mithrandir> cheers [08:50] <fabbione> there [08:50] <fabbione> baz resynced [08:54] <Mithrandir> is there anything explaining what the logic in the version string is? :-) [08:54] <fabbione> pre <- prerelease [08:54] <fabbione> X <- hidden abi number [08:55] <fabbione> ,11 <- next deb version [08:55] <Mithrandir> prerelease as in "not yet uploaded", not "prerelease from kernel.org"? [08:55] <fabbione> not uploaded yet [08:55] <Mithrandir> and what do you mean by hidden abi number? Might break multiple times before next public breakage? [08:56] <fabbione> hidden abi is a trick to avoid more than a devel branch... [08:56] <fabbione> example: [08:56] <fabbione> when we upload 6,10 it means ABI =6 ver 10 [08:56] <fabbione> but during the devel cycle of 11 [08:57] <fabbione> we don't know if the abi is going to break [08:57] <fabbione> so you can't name the pre branch as 6,11 [08:57] <fabbione> so we hide it [08:57] <Mithrandir> ok [08:57] <fabbione> because it might easily land as 7,11 [08:57] <fabbione> look at preX,Y as HEAD [08:58] <fabbione> where we all commit [08:58] <Mithrandir> mm [08:58] <fabbione> once it's ready we merge it mainline--2.6.12 [08:58] <fabbione> from there we branch the tag release and the next pre [08:58] <fabbione> don't ask me why this schema [08:58] <fabbione> lamont did create it in early stage :) [08:58] <fabbione> but clearly merging from other repos is ok [08:59] <Mithrandir> it makes some kind of sense, I guess. [08:59] <Mithrandir> if I'm touching stuff, do you prefer me to commit into the kernel-team repo directly or work in my own space and then later merge it when it's ready? [09:00] <fabbione> Mithrandir: i don't care either way [09:00] <fabbione> if you keep your repo, you need to ping me manually for merge or merge yourself [09:01] <Mithrandir> but kernel-team@ is supposed to be kept "working at all times" or are temporary breakages ok? (I presume the former) [09:01] <fabbione> but if you commit directly, in most of the cases your changes will be test-builded by me each time i do a change [09:01] <fabbione> well the former is better, but if it breaks it's not a tragedy [09:02] <Mithrandir> ok [09:02] <fabbione> let say that i don't mind "it did break by mistake" [09:02] <fabbione> but breaking it on purpose i am a bit less happy [09:02] <Mithrandir> ok [09:02] <fabbione> or at least tell me in advance :) [09:03] <Mithrandir> I'm fine with doing on-purpose breakages in my own space. :-) [09:04] <fabbione> Mithrandir: btw.. unionfs is/should be available on all arches [09:04] <fabbione> when you have one module only in a list, mark it as ? is pointless [09:04] <fabbione> because kernel-wedge will fail later with an empty udeb [09:05] <fabbione> so either is everywhere, or you need to create a per arch list [09:05] <Mithrandir> ok [09:05] <fabbione> if there is more than one module and one is available everywhere, than it makes sense to have other optionals [09:05] <fabbione> but iirc unionfs is available on all our kernel images [09:05] <Mithrandir> 'k [09:11] <fabbione> is there a bug assigned for unionfs udebs? [09:16] <Mithrandir> not to my knowledge [09:16] <fabbione> ok [09:17] <fabbione> * update pristine tree (kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--preX,11--2.6.12--patch-1 => kernel-debian--preX,11--2.6.12--patch-2) [09:17] <fabbione> this is the commit you want to look at [09:21] <fabbione> Jeg er s travlt og der kun i frst dag p arbejde [09:25] <Mithrandir> thanks [10:02] <Mithrandir> should (udeb) modules call depmod -a in their postinst? [10:02] <fabbione> no idea.. kernel-wedge takes care of creating that stuff [10:03] <Mithrandir> oh well, apparently it doesn't. I'll add a workaround in casper, then [10:04] <fabbione> i think depmod -a is executed after all kernel modules have been downloaded [10:04] <fabbione> but i dunno about casper... [10:04] <fabbione> that's anna taking care of that [10:04] <fabbione> or at least it should [10:10] <Mithrandir> I've added a workaround and I'll speak with Colin once he's back again [10:43] <Mithrandir> live cd testing takes tiiiiime [10:43] <fabbione> eheheh [10:43] <fabbione> i am doing a test build to create the unionfs udeb [10:44] <Mithrandir> is unionfs supposed to be the slowest thing since sliced bread? [10:45] <fabbione> no idea [10:46] <Mithrandir> I think something I did made debconf unhappy [10:58] <fabbione> that's not difficult :) [10:59] <Mithrandir> I need to find something to generate Release files for me. [11:23] <Mithrandir> apt-ftparchive release seems to work [11:27] <fabbione> yup.. i use it here :) [11:48] <fabbione> (breezy-chroot)fabbione@davis:~ $ dpkg -c unionfs-modules-2.6.12-6-powerpc64-smp-di_2.6.12-6.11_powerpc.udeb [11:49] <fabbione> -rw-r--r-- root/root 1718210 2005-08-15 09:41:53 ./lib/modules/2.6.12-6-powerpc64-smp/kernel/fs/unionfs/unionfs.ko [11:57] <Mithrandir> cheers [12:48] <Mithrandir> fabbione: when can we have that in the archive? [12:49] <Mithrandir> fabbione: I would really like to have it in quickly so we can get some unionfs testing [12:50] <Mithrandir> since I just uploaded a casper which needs it. [01:01] <fabbione> Mithrandir: meh... in a few days :/ [01:02] <fabbione> you should have told me it was urgent :/ [01:02] <Mithrandir> fabbione: can I push a new version up with just that small change? [01:03] <fabbione> Mithrandir: let me see a couple of things... [01:03] <fabbione> i might be able to upload today... [01:03] <Mithrandir> that'd be great. :-) [01:03] <Mithrandir> sorry about the miscommunication [01:03] <fabbione> yeah but it means pushing a big bunch of security fixes for the next upload... [01:08] <fabbione> we also need elmo/mdz for NEW love... [01:08] <fabbione> the new udeb will stall buildd -> archive movement [01:09] <Mithrandir> argh, true :-( [01:10] <Mithrandir> can we see when mdz gets around in a few hours? [01:10] <fabbione> i have no problems with it, but i must leave around 3:30 pm [01:10] <fabbione> (our time) [01:11] <fabbione> so i can upload.. (untested) but you need to follow up with mdz [01:14] <fabbione> anyway.. food now :) [01:16] <Mithrandir> ok, cheers [01:18] <mjg59> fabbione: I'm going to have patches to feed you from laptop testing [01:18] <mjg59> Need to do a bit more back and forth with upstream on a couple first, though [01:32] <fabbione> mjg59: ok, but don't wait too long [02:03] <fabbione> we need to update heaps load of stuff in the kernel [02:03] <fabbione> TheMuso: [02:03] <fabbione> bah [02:03] <fabbione> SO : [02:03] <fabbione> 1) i am going to upload -6,11 basically untested... [02:03] <fabbione> 2) NOBODY please plan to push URGENT stuff for a few days that needs an upload yesterday [02:05] <fabbione> push but wait... [02:15] <Mithrandir> fabbione: actually, you don't need to hurry with the kernel, my casper upload got rejected. [02:17] <fabbione> Mithrandir: ok! [02:17] <fabbione> perfect [02:17] <fabbione> that will give me the time to break it in unreasonable new ways :) [02:18] <zul> morning [02:18] <fabbione> hey zul [02:20] <zul> hey fabbione good vacation? [02:22] <Mithrandir> fabbione: I'd love it if you can get it in a couple of days, though. [02:22] <fabbione> Mithrandir: 2/3 days should be fine.. [02:22] <fabbione> zul: more or less [02:23] <fabbione> zul: i saw you missed me :) [02:31] <zul> heh... [02:31] <zul> at little...but not much [02:31] <chmj> heh [02:32] <fabbione> zul: do you have anything that i need to merge? [02:32] <zul> yeah a couple of bug fixes from bugzilla [02:33] <zul> its in my arch under ,9 [02:33] <zul> uh...we are at ,11 now? [02:33] <fabbione> zul: mind to update to ,11 ? [02:33] <fabbione> yes. [02:33] <fabbione> .11 [02:34] <fabbione> zul: i did import this morning the 2 uploads that have been done outside baz [02:34] <zul> ok [02:35] <zul> sigh gimme a sec [02:35] <fabbione> take your time [02:35] <fabbione> i will leave in less than one hour [02:35] <fabbione> so i will defenetely not upload today [02:36] <zul> ok good because im at work right now [02:36] <doko> fabbione: the i386 biarch compilers are in the archive, hint, hint ... [02:37] <fabbione> doko: are you hinting me that you just offered volunteer to build the kernel? [02:37] <fabbione> since you got biarch done, you must have more spare time now :) [02:39] <Mithrandir> is lrm in baz? [02:39] <fabbione> doko: more seriously.. i need to build an amd64 kernel on i386.. [02:39] <fabbione> right? [02:39] <fabbione> Mithrandir: nope.. lrm is crap.. we don't want it :) [02:39] <fabbione> doko: if so.. what is the usecase for it? [02:40] <Mithrandir> fabbione: ok, since I need to fix it up a bit. It's br0ken. [02:41] <fabbione> Mithrandir: eheh ok [02:41] <zul> fabbione: i just branced and merged my stuff in my arch so my changes are in X,9 in my arch [02:41] <fabbione> zul: ok... can you just branch to ,11 ? [02:42] <fabbione> so we work on same versions? [02:42] <fabbione> it's already confusing enough :/ [02:43] <zul> ok..will do on my break [02:45] <fabbione> zul: thanks [02:46] <doko> fabbione: use case is: install i386 on amd64 to have better 32bit compatibility, and be able to do things for 64bit as well, i.e. a chroot [02:47] <fabbione> you mean installing a 64bit kernel with a 32bit userland? [02:47] <doko> yes [02:47] <chmj> is that possible ? [02:47] <fabbione> chmj: yes [02:48] <fabbione> doko: i *THINK* i can do it... [02:48] <fabbione> but i won't make more than one flavour... [02:48] <fabbione> only a generic kernel [02:48] <fabbione> that also means bloating the i386 CD with udebs... [02:48] <doko> fabbione: sure, that should be sufficient [02:48] <fabbione> did you mention that to Kamion? [02:48] <fabbione> because it's another kernel to ship... [02:49] <doko> no, not yet. how much is that in size? [02:49] <doko> but at least it's mentioned on our ToolchainRoadmap [02:49] <fabbione> doko: a bunch of MB [02:49] <fabbione> changes that needs to be done in the installer [02:49] <fabbione> and several other things... [02:50] <fabbione> it's not exactly trivial to do all of the above [02:50] <doko> ouch [02:51] <fabbione> and for sure i am not going to do that in the installer while Kamion is away [02:51] <zul> i...dislike...sybase [03:11] <fabbione> YAY for the ABI change! [03:14] <fabbione> -+#define OCFS2_BUILD_VERSION "0.99.17" [03:14] <fabbione> ++#define OCFS2_BUILD_VERSION "1.1.0" [03:17] <fabbione> Mithrandir: whatever fix you have for lrm, better you upload it asap [03:17] <fabbione> next kernel upload will bump the ABI [03:17] <Mithrandir> fabbione: it's already uploaded. [03:17] <fabbione> ah cool [03:19] <fabbione> let see in which wonderful ways the kernel is going to break :) [03:19] <fabbione> i already noticed a target that goes banana with the debian version made of 2 digits :) [03:20] <Mithrandir> heh [03:21] <fabbione> impressive... [03:21] <fabbione> the force is strong in the bumpabi target... [03:31] <fabbione> later fellas... [04:43] <lamont-away> fabbione: I did it that way because I sometimes forget to tag... But I almost always remember to branch for the new version [04:43] <lamont-away> or rather, I'm far less likely to release from non-mainline than I am to forget to tag from mainline [05:39] <doko> fabbione: "x86_64 kernel on i386 system" on u-u ml [05:46] <zul> hey BenC [05:46] <BenC> hey [09:03] <fabbione> hey BenC [09:04] <fabbione> welcome to the team [09:04] <fabbione> BenC: i am going to have dinner and i will be back later (if wife will allow me ;)) [09:04] <fabbione> so we can talk a bit [09:12] <zul> you are so whipped [09:12] <zul> but thats ok so am i [09:15] <BenC> ok [09:21] <zul> hey lamont [09:21] <lamont> hey zul [09:22] <mjg59> /win goto #ubuntu-devel [09:22] <mjg59> Hrngh. [10:19] <fabbione> re [10:21] <fabbione> BenC: still around? [10:23] <fabbione> lamont-away: ping? [10:23] <fabbione> bah something is wrong with this client [10:26] <lamont> sup> [10:26] <fabbione> lamont: did you read my email about util-linux patch? [10:27] <lamont> not yet [10:27] <fabbione> ok [10:28] <lamont> generally, I've tried to not deviate from upstream unless there was good cause. I haven't really looked at the 200+ line patch, but it seems to be relatively isolated in it's changes... something as invasive as the hurd patch won't be in until upstream takes it. [10:29] <fabbione> lamont: the patch is much smaller than it looks like [10:29] <lamont> right [10:29] <fabbione> due to static int foo it needs to move a function a few lines above [10:29] <lamont> it looks to be like it just calls the helper for the fs type if said beast exists [10:29] <lamont> ah, even better [10:29] <fabbione> exactly [10:30] <fabbione> so it's pretty simple in itself [10:30] <lamont> let me look at it tonight and I'll upload to both [10:30] <lamont> and fire it upstream [10:30] <fabbione> sure... [10:30] <fabbione> i think Manish did try to get it upstream with no success [10:30] <fabbione> or no response from upstream.... [10:31] <lamont> right - upstream has bounced around a bit... [10:31] <fabbione> who is upstream? [10:31] <fabbione> vietse? [10:31] <lamont> it might be semi-stable, esp since there's a new upstream version now as well [10:31] <lamont> adrian bunk, iirc [10:31] <fabbione> ah... [10:31] <lamont> the debian maintainer before me took it over upstream recently [10:31] <fabbione> ok [10:32] <fabbione> btw.. we are bumping ABI for the next kernel upload [10:32] <fabbione> so if you have something intrusive to push, it's the right time [10:33] <fabbione> AH GREAT.. the second sparc buildd managed to die in less than 12 hours [10:36] <lamont> mtg [10:40] <lamont> just because acpi seems to be intrusive [10:40] <fabbione> lamont: if you build with ACPI disable, does it boot? [10:40] <fabbione> bah i come back to talk with Ben and he disappeared :) [10:48] <BenC> fabbione: ping [10:59] <fabbione> BenC: pong [10:59] <fabbione> i tought you left... [10:59] <fabbione> and i was close to go away :) [11:01] <BenC> sent you an email [11:01] <fabbione> yeah i just saw it... [11:01] <fabbione> i think there are 2 groups of bugs we are interested in.. [11:01] <fabbione> USB and ACPI related [11:01] <fabbione> USB seems to be a royal pain [11:01] <BenC> yeah, I saw a lot of ACPI related bugs [11:01] <fabbione> ACPI is well.. mjg59 crack [11:02] <fabbione> but it still needs extra love... [11:02] <fabbione> on the other side we are already in Feature Freeze for Breezy [11:03] <fabbione> so we need to avoid extra breakage if we can [11:03] <BenC> right [11:03] <fabbione> .10 was a crappy release [11:03] <fabbione> too many patches coming from too many upstreams [11:03] <fabbione> .12 is looking quite good compared [11:03] <BenC> are there any show stoppers, or are the issued mainly non-regression things we want fixed? [11:03] <fabbione> show stoppers none that i am aware of... [11:03] <BenC> any serious regressions? [11:04] <fabbione> there is a Serial PATA patch that is sort of a problem [11:04] <BenC> PATA? [11:04] <BenC> or did you mean SATA? [11:04] <fabbione> we had a patch in hoary pulled from atadev for a mistake [11:04] <fabbione> #13298 [11:04] <fabbione> (and other related bugs) [11:05] <fabbione> PATA... [11:05] <fabbione> zul: you need to learn to write Subjects in the email.. see.. i can't even copy paste without looking stupid :) [11:05] <BenC> hehe [11:06] <fabbione> the issue is that jgarzik almost crossburned me for inclusion of that patch [11:06] <fabbione> because it can cause data corruption [11:06] <fabbione> now everybody is including it and we are not.... [11:06] <BenC> have the libata head patches been tested? [11:06] <fabbione> and tbh i have no fucking clue who to trust [11:06] <fabbione> they have been in hoary.... [11:07] <fabbione> right now they are not in breezy [11:07] <fabbione> because i did expected to find them in .12 [11:07] <fabbione> while they are not... [11:07] <BenC> anyone besides the submitter able to test things? [11:07] <fabbione> not from our team [11:08] <BenC> hardware specific testing....the downside to all this :) [11:08] <BenC> ok, I'll put that on my list [11:08] <fabbione> ehhe no shit! [11:08] <BenC> anything else? [11:08] <BenC> btw, I have my G4 installed with ubuntu now [11:08] <BenC> so I can test some ppc32 things [11:09] <fabbione> ah nice [11:09] <fabbione> it looks like Jeff didn't make too much noise on redhat bugzilla... [11:09] <fabbione> but the bug explains that: [11:09] <BenC> it's UP and only 512megs of ram, which is the stable type system that doesn't seem to show in most reports about ppc [11:09] <fabbione> a) ghetto pulled the patch from jgarzik HEAD [11:10] <fabbione> b) we pulled from ghetto [11:10] <fabbione> c) fedora and redhat did pull it from us [11:10] <fabbione> d) jgarzik that works for RH got pissed [11:10] <fabbione> GO FEDORA! [11:10] <BenC> who/what is ghetto? [11:10] <fabbione> gentoo [11:10] <BenC> ah, ok [11:10] <fabbione> dude.. you should know that by amok ;) [11:11] <BenC> lol [11:11] <BenC> Amok, the wiki of IRC [11:11] <fabbione> so true :) [11:12] <BenC> haven't worked with ATA much, but libata is a kernel driver library right? (not userspace) [11:12] <fabbione> yup [11:12] <fabbione> the patch is much much cleaner than the old one [11:13] <fabbione> it seems safe to me [11:13] <fabbione> BenC: did you manage to strech your wings on baz? [11:14] <fabbione> http://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2005-08/msg00190.html <- (from doko [11:15] <fabbione> BenC: but if you feel lucky i have a few tons of security bugs for hoary :) [11:17] <BenC> you can dump as much on me right now as you like...haven't been here long enough to be "busy" :) [11:17] <fabbione> BenC: ahahah [11:17] <fabbione> enjoy it till you can [11:19] <fabbione> BenC: get a bit familiar with the kernel build.. we have a bunch of extra features that debian does not have [11:19] <fabbione> like the ABI checker.. [11:20] <fabbione> and some extra madness in debian/rules... [11:20] <fabbione> like we build all from one source... [11:20] <fabbione> including udebs [11:24] <dilinger> fabbione: debian now builds all from one source, btw.. but not udebs. [11:25] <fabbione> dilinger: uh yeah... [11:25] <fabbione> sorry forgot about that [11:33] <BenC> To: bcollins@kernel.org [11:33] <BenC> sweet [11:34] <fabbione> ehehhe [11:35] <fabbione> i have the BAD feeling i just managed to fuck up the sparc buildd.... [11:35] <BenC> impossible, sparc is unfuckable [11:35] <fabbione> i can manage.. [11:35] <fabbione> :) [11:36] <fabbione> ah here it is [11:39] <fabbione> no shit it doesn't show anything on console.. [11:39] <fabbione> the cable is disconnected.... [11:42] <fabbione> dists/breezy/main/binary-sparc/:Bus error [11:42] <fabbione> i guess sid is sort of broken... [11:47] <BenC> what command caused a bus error? [11:51] <fabbione> apt-ftparchive [11:51] <fabbione> after a glibc upgrade... [11:53] <BenC> c++ [11:54] <fabbione> dpkg: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3.4' not found (required by dpkg) [11:54] <fabbione> AH CRAP [11:55] <fabbione> i should have downgraded dpkg first.... [11:55] <fabbione> SEE I CAN MANAGE TO DESTROY SPARC! :) [11:58] <BenC> ar/tar [11:58] <BenC> maybe dpkg-deb will work [11:59] <fabbione> yeah.. [11:59] <fabbione> ar x [12:02] <fabbione> night guys [12:02] <fabbione> cya tomorrow

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2024-05-13T23:20:37.750038

2005-08-20-#ubuntu-artwork

[09:05] <volvoguy> we're..... not very organized, are we? :-P [09:42] <woodwizzle> lol [09:43] <volvoguy> fo shizzle woodwizzle [09:43] <woodwizzle> arn't we supposed to get a art.gnome.org type website sometime soon? [09:45] <volvoguy> yeah. it's been a little over a week now that i heard that we had our server and canonical wanted to know what we wanted on it. i haven't heard back since. i'm assuming Jeff Waugh is trying to find out how to get the art.gnome.org code. [09:46] <woodwizzle> I'm sure that once thats done. Things might start moving forward. [09:47] <woodwizzle> have you seen appeal.kde.org ? [09:47] <volvoguy> no. is that something new? [09:47] <woodwizzle> well its new to me =) Just saw it on osnews [09:47] <volvoguy> hmm... looks interesting. [09:49] <woodwizzle> Yeah, I disagree with some of the stuff they're doing and/or how they're doing it, as I do with most KDE projects, But I like that KDE puts a lot of importance on the art sides of things. [09:50] <volvoguy> i think our general plan is to launch the art.gnome.org lookalike site and let the community go to town with submitting artwork. the art team will then be able to pick and choose what might work well in the main distro and develop ideas from there. [09:53] <woodwizzle> We might end up with a lot of duplicate content with art.gnome.org .Even kde-look and gnome-look have a lot of identical stuff [09:55] <volvoguy> actually, there's a plan in the works to make that not happen. the art.gnome.org folks are working on a SOAP backend that would basically make all those sites like "artwork repositories". they're building synaptic-like functionality into the "gnome-art" app where you can pick which "repository" you want to see artwork from - then automatically download and install it. [09:56] <woodwizzle> Like kde's get hot new stuff framework? http://kstuff.org/ [09:57] <volvoguy> actually, the kde site isn't participating as much as the other sites unfortunately, but yeah - i think that site is their take on the general idea. [09:58] <volvoguy> hopefully they'll keep it compatible enough with the other project that the whole thing works ok. [09:58] <woodwizzle> I hope a cross-desktop solution is reached =) [09:58] <woodwizzle> hehe, i mean ditto [09:59] <volvoguy> yeah. i'm not sure how they'll handle that - end users trying to apply kde themes to a gnome desktop and such - but i'm sure they're taking that into consideration. [09:59] <volvoguy> i'm just kind of a coordinator, so the most i can do is research the thing and tell the ubuntu devs about it. that's about where my power ends. [10:00] <volvoguy> i hang out on the gnome-art irc channel though and try to keep up on what they're doing. [10:00] <woodwizzle> In the meantime, what other goals does the ubuntu art team have? Is there anything I or others could contribute to now? Or is everything on hold for the website? [10:02] <volvoguy> well, the icon theme is the biggie. icons need to be converted from SVG to various bitmap sizes, and completely new SVG icons still need to be created to complete the set. that's probably our top priority. [10:02] <woodwizzle> the new humanity set? [10:03] <volvoguy> second would be the 6 "calendar" background images for breezy. that'll probably be lots of voting and arguing, but i hope the community can make those this time around. [10:03] <volvoguy> yeah - currently titled "humility". [10:03] <woodwizzle> The only way to get them is through the breezy repos right? [10:04] <volvoguy> i'm not sure if they've made it there or not yet. you can get 'em right from Andrew (the main designer) - http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/humility-icons.tar.bz2 [10:04] <volvoguy> Just extract to /usr/share/icons/ [10:06] <volvoguy> i haven't been able to get a "todo" list out of Andrew yet, but i assume he keeps that tarball up to date. you could poke around and compare it to a more complete icons set to see what isn't done yet. [10:06] <volvoguy> i'd get in touch with him before you do any work though. [10:10] <woodwizzle> these are nice =) [10:11] <volvoguy> yeah. i really like 'em. [10:12] <woodwizzle> Its somewhat odd that the volume applet faces the other direction with them [10:14] <volvoguy> Andrew has WAY more experience in icon design than I do. he only uses colors from the approved list and uses transparency and gradients (also approved colors) to get the ones he wants. then you can just do search and replace on the SVG files to change from blue to red for example. [10:14] <volvoguy> pretty slick stuff. [10:17] <woodwizzle> Yeah these are very cool. I need more inkscapre practice I think =-) [10:18] <volvoguy> i can't wait until Breezy is a little more stable. Inkscape .42 made it in and it's a MAJOR upgrade. it has some awesome new tools. [10:18] <woodwizzle> The flow to text tool for one [10:19] <woodwizzle> The new gimp looks pretty awesome too, but I doubt it'll make it to breezy [10:19] <woodwizzle> I can't wait to try out SIOX though [10:19] <volvoguy> SIOX? i don't know that one. [10:20] <volvoguy> ogra! [10:21] <ogra> hey [10:21] <ogra> :) [10:21] <woodwizzle> its a new selection tool in gimp 2.3.3 or 2.4 stable [10:21] <woodwizzle> http://www.siox.org/ [10:22] <woodwizzle> it used to be a plug-in but its getting adapted as a genuine selection tool. [10:22] <woodwizzle> Hello Ogra [10:22] <volvoguy> ooh. cool. maybe worth a hand compile. :) [10:22] <woodwizzle> Yeah might be =) [10:23] <woodwizzle> The might've actually one-up photoshop for once [10:23] <woodwizzle> although I think I'd kill for a gimp healing brush [10:24] <volvoguy> me too. [10:24] <volvoguy> i pretty much have to dual-boot. losing photoshop and illustrator is like cutting off my right arm. [10:25] <woodwizzle> I've all but given up photoshop. I think the gimp is getting better and better. I never really used illustrator though. Is inkscape far behind? [10:27] <volvoguy> inkscape is more intuitive. it's almost a different beast though because it tries to conform exclusively to SVG specs. illustrator doesn't care about that, so it has a lot more "goodies"> [10:36] <volvoguy> ugh. i'm starting to crash. i've been trying to wrangle Ubuntu on this testing laptop that canonical gave me and it's just nuts. it's so "new and improved" that even breezy doesn't recognize most of the hardware. grrr.... i've been up almost 3 days trying to get it to do SOMETHING. [10:36] <woodwizzle> what kinda laptop is it? [10:37] <woodwizzle> I'm running hoary on a vaio over here [10:37] <volvoguy> a Toshiba Portege S100. Intel Centrino thingie... 1.73Ghz, SATA 60Gb drive, software RAID (yes, in a laptop!)... [10:38] <woodwizzle> SATA on a laptop!!! [10:38] <volvoguy> hoary doesn't recognize the cd drive (and jeff waugh said it never will) and Breezy doesn't recognize the HDD. so basically i've gotten nowhere. [10:38] <woodwizzle> does it really fit in a lap =) [10:39] <volvoguy> yeah. and an empty space for a second SATA drive to do raid striping. [10:39] <volvoguy> believe it or not, it's a super-light category laptop. like 4 pounds. magnesium shell or something. [10:40] <woodwizzle> I have one desktop with sata. It was a BITCH to get setup though. I finally resorted to using gentoo and patching the hell outta my own kernel to get it working [10:41] <volvoguy> i have a machine with SATA, but i installed Hoary on an IDE drive. once installed it didn't have any problems accessing the SATA drive. the installer didn't like it though. [10:43] <volvoguy> hey, have you ever tried gimp's "html-export"? i was just helping a guy on ubuntu-users with it and it's totally insane. doesn't work like photoshop's - it makes an HTML table cell for every pixel in the image. is that nuts or what?! [10:43] <woodwizzle> thats nuts alright [10:43] <woodwizzle> I've never used it before though [10:44] <woodwizzle> I always set my own guides and then crop by hand [10:44] <volvoguy> as a test i exported a 40K jpg image and it generated a 140 megabyte html file! [10:44] <volvoguy> yeah. me too. [10:44] <woodwizzle> does it do that if you put guides in the image? Maybe its an error if you don't have any guides for it to follow [10:46] <volvoguy> not sure. i just opened and exported. still... html cells as pixels? i guess they were trying to do something between a real image and an ascii text image. *shrug* weird. [10:46] <volvoguy> needless to say, i started opening it 15 minutes ago in firefox and it hasn't started dispaying anything yet. lol. [10:50] <woodwizzle> what menu is this tool under? [10:50] <volvoguy> it's just under File > Save As. Then pick "HTML". [10:51] <woodwizzle> you might wanna try filter > web > py-slice [10:52] <woodwizzle> I think saving as an HTML file might actually mean saving it as a table grid of pixels. Interesting, but I have no idea who would use that feature [10:52] <volvoguy> do you need to set up the slices somewhere first? [10:53] <volvoguy> yeah... that's what the html export does. pointless except for anything but icon sized images maybe. [10:54] <woodwizzle> i think it uses guides. As in drag from the rulers to set your guides just as in photoshop [10:54] <volvoguy> gotcha... [10:58] <volvoguy> beautiful. yep, that's what he needs to do. too bad he went to bed already. :) i'll find him tomorrow. [10:59] <woodwizzle> lol [10:59] <woodwizzle> np [10:59] <woodwizzle> speakin' of bed. I should go too hehe [11:00] <volvoguy> yeah. me too. talk to you later all!

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:37.756910

2005-08-20-#ubuntu-doc

[01:08] <mpt> How do I tell what's in Breezy main without installing it? [01:08] <Burgundavia> packages.ubuntu.com [01:11] <mpt> tomboy, hoary universe only [01:11] <mpt> oh, bad default form [01:11] <Burgundavia> yes [01:11] <mpt> tomboy, breezy main [01:11] <Burgundavia> indeed [01:12] <mpt> Would tomboy be the only app in main that doesn't require you to Save your work? [01:12] <Burgundavia> probably [01:12] <mpt> ok [01:12] <Burgundavia> what are you working on? [01:13] <mpt> <section id="saving"><title>Saving documents</title> [01:13] <Burgundavia> which doc? [01:13] <mpt> Ubuntu Help [01:15] <mpt> How does <link> work in DocBook? [01:16] <mpt> It's not in DocteamDocbookTags (which is probably a bad sign) [01:16] <Burgundavia> no idea [01:18] <mpt> ah, http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html-ng/link.html [01:19] <mpt> "endterm" [01:19] <mpt> that was, like, totally obvious [01:19] <mpt> oh, "linkend" [01:25] <mpt> ewwwww [01:35] <mpt> The yelp XSL or whatever it is really needs some work [01:35] <mpt> I don't want "Section 4.4 - Changing the name of an item", I want "Changing the name of an item" [01:40] <Burgundavia> sorry, canna help ya [01:40] <mpt> It's a froud job, I guess [01:41] <mpt> Is he in or out of the Ubuntu Doc team this week? [01:41] <Burgundavia> jeffsch or jerome might also be able to help you [01:41] <Burgundavia> froud, unknown [01:41] <Burgundavia> he might have actually meant it this time [01:41] <mpt> "this time"? [01:42] <mpt> Is there a mailing list post or something? [01:42] <Burgundavia> I think so [01:42] <Burgundavia> no idea and I don't really care [02:09] <Flonne> mpt, I'm familiar with DocBook if you want me to take a look at whatever. [02:38] <mpt> Flonne: That would be great ... Are you familiar with GNOME's use of DocBook? [02:48] <Flonne> Yelp? [02:49] <mpt> yes [02:49] <Flonne> Yeah. [02:50] <mpt> Flonne: There are several things I'd like to know how to do [02:50] <mpt> they're listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHelp [02:50] <mpt> Some of them may not even be possible in yelp, I don't know [02:51] <mpt> and I guess the only way to fix some of them will affect every document shown in yelp, not just the one I'm editing [02:52] <Madpilot> Yelp won't do local XSL stylesheets or something similar? [02:53] <Flonne> I'm fairly sure Yelp can use alternative style definitions (like CSS or XSL), so you'd just need to include another file. [02:53] <mpt> I don't know anything about XSL yet, but I'm keen to learn :-) [02:54] <Flonne> I think Previous and Next will have to be overridden, since Yelp inserts those automatically. [02:54] <Flonne> The frame may have to be toggled by the user. [02:55] <Flonne> If we're still using xinclude or something similar (I've been gone for a while), adding your own style shouldn't be too difficult. [02:57] <Flonne> Are you working out of SVN? If so, I can play with the styles in about two hours. [02:58] <mpt> No, baz [02:58] <mpt> See the "How to hack the help" section of that page [02:58] <Flonne> Ah. There are instructions below. [02:58] <Flonne> Yeah. I just noticed them. [02:58] <Flonne> I *have* been gome a long time. :( [02:58] <Flonne> gone* [02:59] <mpt> What did you used to do? [02:59] <Flonne> Not much... [03:00] <Flonne> I wrote several chapters for a userguide draft, but they were lost when the repository split, and then I just started looking for documents and Wiki pages in need of editing. [03:01] <Flonne> And then I forgot to budget money for an Internet connection over the summer. Being a student sucks. [03:01] <mpt> heh [03:01] <mpt> I've been there [03:02] <Flonne> ...But, yeah. I'll try to get some of those done tonight. [03:02] <mpt> Awesome, that would be great [03:02] <Flonne> O.o [03:02] <Flonne> I stole the name from a game. [03:02] <mpt> That's roughly what I thought you'd say [03:02] <Flonne> It's probably fairly common. [03:03] <mpt> I guessed O_o instead of O.o, but hey [03:03] <Flonne> Ah. [03:04] <mpt> You'll probably gasp at the horribleness of my markup [03:04] <mpt> I'm still learning DocBook [03:04] <mpt> but tonight I have learnt <xref>! [03:04] <Flonne> It's pretty hard to mess it up. It usually only validates one way. [03:04] <Flonne> xref is awesome. [03:04] <mpt> Yes, and yelp crashes if you make a mistake [03:05] <mpt> though I think that's been fixed since Hoary [03:05] <Flonne> I'm sure I'll find some way to crash it under Breezy. [03:06] <mpt> uh oh [03:06] <mpt> phone's ringing [03:06] <Flonne> "Whoo! I've got Internet access again! Hmm... I wonder if the development branch is open yet... It is? Yay!" [03:06] <mpt> and I'm in Brazil and don't speak PT [03:06] <mpt> brb [03:07] <mpt> Enjoying Ubuntu, then? :-) [03:07] <mpt> (phew, it was an English speaker) [03:20] <Flonne> I've been enjoying it since someone jokingly installed it into swap on my Gentoo box and disguised it in menu.lst. :) [03:21] <mpt> Iiiiinteresting [03:21] <mpt> My girlfriend uses Gentoo [03:21] <mpt> She much prefers purple to brown. [03:23] <Flonne> I prefer white to brown. winter-OB3 is great. [03:24] <Madpilot> mpt: you could just install Ubuntu, re-skin it purple, and see if she notices? ;) [03:25] <mpt> Madpilot: I'd also have to uninstall Metacity, install Ion, set Thunderbird as the mail client, and probably half a dozen other things that I don't even know [03:26] <mpt> Flonne: My search - winter-ob3 - did not match any documents. What kind of color scheme is that? [03:28] <mpt> hi mgalvin [03:28] <mgalvin> hey pt [03:29] <rob^> hi [03:29] <mgalvin> hey all [03:29] <mpt> mgalvin: I don't start learning pt for another week and a half [03:29] <mgalvin> oops, s/pt/mpt/ [03:29] <mgalvin> ;) [03:29] <mpt> :-) [03:33] <rob^> hey is everyone on breeze yet? [03:33] <HrdwrBoB> no [03:33] <mpt> I wanted to install it this weekend [03:33] <mpt> I picked a bad time [03:33] <mgalvin> i am [03:33] <rob^> I got it running ok on a spare pc [03:34] <mpt> the CD images were unrunnable [03:34] <rob^> I just installed hoary and apt-get updated it [03:34] <mpt> (produced unrunnable installations, I mean) [03:34] <rob^> dist-upgrade-ed it [03:34] <mgalvin> 20050812.2 works [03:34] <Flonne> It's one of Gentoo's OpenBox GTK2 themes. Want it? [03:34] <mgalvin> thats the one i used [03:35] <Flonne> I dist-upgraded Breezy, too. [03:35] <Flonne> It's... broken. [03:35] <Flonne> Usable, but some libraries aren't quite stable. [03:35] <Flonne> (amd64 on a laptop) [03:35] <rob^> amd64 yeah [03:35] <rob^> I'm just using an old 500mhz pc [03:36] <mpt> I'll download 20050815 ... I want a clean install so I can see exactly what someone installing it from scratch sees [03:36] <rob^> yep [03:36] <mpt> Otherwise I'll be writing about things that don't exist, and not about things that do [03:36] <mgalvin> there is still the issue where on that cd eth0 doesn't come up right, you have to sudo dhclient eth0 during stage to on con 2 or 3 [03:37] <mgalvin> s/stage/stage 2/ [03:38] <mpt> Flonne: ob3 screenshots anywhere? [03:38] <mgalvin> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-August/009594.html [03:39] <rob^> my mouse doesn't work in breezy though (to lazy to configure it), so I have a vnc connection to it [03:40] <mpt> Flonne: nm, I found one [03:44] <mpt> Someday someone will make a pretty GTK theme [03:46] <Flonne> http://hamsterx.homelinux.org/~rhx/Algol-14-8-05.png If you want to see another one for some reason. [03:46] <mpt> thanks [04:06] <Liz> wow..we have gotten bigger in here havent we [04:07] <mpt> hi Liz [04:07] <mpt> Still mostly lurkers, I think :-) [04:10] <mpt> ugh, laptops and sleeping bags are not a good mixture heat-wise [05:41] <jsgotangco> hi [05:41] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: ping? [05:42] <mpt> hi Jerome [05:42] <jsgotangco> mpt: hey [05:45] <mpt> Flonne: It's nearly 1am, I'm going to sleep ... Let me know how you get on, and thanks [05:45] <Flonne> I gashed my palm on a cupboard, so I'm just starting now. :( [05:45] <mpt> ow [05:45] <Flonne> I'll let you know. [05:46] <mpt> don't reopen any wounds for my sake :-x [05:46] <Flonne> I type DVORAK-Left. I gashed my right palm. I'll be fine. :) [11:23] <jsgotangco> mpt, ping? [12:28] <rob^> is the daily build working? [12:29] <rob^> doh! [02:24] <jjesse> morning, finally had a chance to write more this weekend ;) [04:16] <mgalvin> enrico: ping [04:17] <mgalvin> hey rob^ [04:17] <rob^> hey Madpilot [04:17] <rob^> grr [04:17] <rob^> hey mgalvin [04:18] <enrico> mgalvin: hi [04:20] <mgalvin> hi enrico [04:20] <mgalvin> enrico: did you happen to see the changes I made to the ubuntu-doc deb pakcage? [04:22] <mgalvin> i wondered if you would mind taking a peek since you are the maintainer, i updated it to work with our current plans and wanted to see if you had any suggestions or concerns [04:22] <enrico> mgalvin: I'll have a look [04:22] <enrico> mgalvin: I haven't been tracking it [04:23] <mgalvin> great thanks [04:24] <mgalvin> ok, well i just wanted you to know i modified it, i don't mean to step on toes or anything, i just wanted to get a working package since we are going to be shipping html [04:25] <enrico> mgalvin: no problem with stepping on toes: I can't really claim ownership on that, as I've been inactive for quite some time. I'm basically maintaining while noone else is [04:29] <mgalvin> enrico: ok cool, i should be able to keep it updated and working, i just don't have upload privs yet... would you still be able to upload it when the time comes? [04:30] <enrico> mgalvin: sure [04:31] <mgalvin> enrico: cool, thanks again [04:33] <mgalvin> enrico: would you mind then if I became the maintainer and add you as comaintainer? [04:34] <enrico> mgalvin: not at all. As soon as you can upload [04:34] <mgalvin> enrico: ok sounds good to me [04:37] <hno73> Hello [04:37] <hno73> About the new server: nI understand there was a conflict with svn in trying to point docteam.u.c to it [04:38] <hno73> (which makes sense now that I think about it) [04:38] <hno73> Any objections to just calling the WIP server doc.ubuntu.com? [04:38] <rob^> no [04:39] <rob^> what was the conflict? [04:39] <hno73> On the front page we could link off to mature docs and WIP in separate sections [04:40] <rob^> yeah I don't mind [04:40] <hno73> rob^: the svn repository is currently on the maitri server and docteam.u.c points to that [04:40] <hno73> which we in turn read from to generate pages on the new server [04:41] <hno73> so if we change that address then we'd have to move the svn repo too [04:41] <hno73> (which we culd do, but it's a hassle we might not need right now) [04:41] <rob^> yeah [04:41] <rob^> well it could just be doc.u.c then [04:42] <rob^> or docs [04:42] <hno73> yep, and then we could move the repo to bzr on doc.u.c in due course :) [04:43] <rob^> I take it there are tools for doing that? [04:43] <hno73> Yes, they're in the works [04:43] <rob^> so we don't lose revision history etc [04:43] <rob^> cool [04:44] <hno73> See: http://www.bazaar-ng.org/ for what bzr is [04:44] <hno73> baz and bzr will merge soonish [04:46] <rob^> arch is written in python? [04:47] <hno73> no, just bazaar-ng [04:47] <rob^> how are they going to merge the two? [04:47] <hno73> that's mainly to speed up development [04:47] <rob^> well, the fork of arch then [04:48] <hno73> bazaar (baz), no think that'sjust built on the arch code [04:48] <rob^> ah [04:48] <rob^> but it will end up all being in python [04:48] <hno73> They will take the cool new features of bzr and possibly reimpliment in a faster language (C) [04:49] <hno73> don't know [04:49] <rob^> just reading the faq on that site [04:49] <hno73> anyway, it will be smooth when it happens [04:53] <mgalvin> hi hno73 [04:53] <mgalvin> no objections here about doc.u.c [04:54] <hno73> mgalvin: ok, thanks. I'm emailing the list too, just to make sure [04:54] <mgalvin> i think i like docs.u.c, sounds better to me [04:54] <mgalvin> k cool [04:55] <mpt> bzr is going to continue in python [04:55] <mpt> it's quite fast enough [04:55] <hno73> ok, I'm happy with either. We can vote on the list :) [04:56] <hno73> mpt: ok, thanks. You've got more up-to-date info than me :) [04:57] <mpt> There will be a pie in someon's face at UBZ related to bzr [04:57] <mpt> someone's [04:57] <hno73> python is cool (says the ex-FORTAN-hack) [04:57] <hno73> care to elaborate? [04:58] <mpt> um, how does it go [04:59] <mpt> Robert Collins will get a pie in the face if we Launchpadders aren't doing all our work in bzr before UBZ [04:59] <mpt> and kiko (iirc) will get a pie in the face if we *are* [05:00] <hno73> cool :) [05:00] <robitaille> UBZ? [05:01] <hno73> mpt: shouldn't it be the other way 'round though? [05:01] <robitaille> (was that the same pie promised on ubuntu-devl ML the other day? [05:01] <robitaille> :) [05:01] <mpt> oh, no, that pie has already been delivered [05:02] <enrico> mgalvin: is debian/copyright still valid? It mentions 'Ubuntu Handbook' in gnome/debian [05:02] <mpt> that was because kiko failed to implement the Untriaged bugs page, something else entirely [05:02] <robitaille> too many pies...it's getting confusing [05:03] <enrico> wow. nice framework, lots of translations, even some translated screenshots! [05:03] <hno73> as long as they are cream pies and not steak and kidney pies [05:04] <mgalvin> enrico: i had left that in there since it is history and didn't want to take it out, but it can be removed, its not necessary to have it there [05:04] <mpt> hno73: Well, Robert C. is lactose-intolerant, so it would need to be dairy-free [05:05] <enrico> mgalvin: fakeroot debian/rules binary in gnome/ gives an empty .deb [05:06] <enrico> mgalvin: make gdeb is not invoked [05:06] <enrico> mgalvin: I'll try to fix it [05:06] <mgalvin> hmm, it worked for me the other day, looking now too... [05:06] <enrico> mgalvin: ok, fix on its way [05:08] <enrico> mgalvin: committed. [05:10] <mgalvin> enrico: got it, thanx [05:10] <enrico> mgalvin: I have XML errors on c/kuserguide.xml [05:11] <enrico> I'll commit the debian/rules updates for kde and you'll maybe look into it [05:11] <mgalvin> enrico: wierd though, it works here without the build target [05:11] <mgalvin> ok [05:11] <enrico> mgalvin: committed [05:12] <enrico> Lots of errors 'No localization exists for "c" or "". Using default "en". [05:12] <enrico> (in gnome/) [05:13] <enrico> is froud still around? [05:13] <enrico> last commit on the 10th, sounds like yes [05:13] <mgalvin> yea, those happen everywhere, and always have since i started here [05:13] <enrico> maybe he's on vacation [05:13] <mgalvin> yes [05:13] <mgalvin> he is [05:13] <mgalvin> hes around, been busy i think [05:14] <enrico> gnome/ builds fine here [05:15] <enrico> the Co-maintainer field is wrong. Let me fix it [05:15] <enrico> it's "Uploaders" [05:16] <enrico> gnome/ builds the deb fine now; let's see kde [05:17] <mgalvin> oops, i know, i accidentilly typed the wrong thing there, sorry about that [05:17] <enrico> someone committed some mismatched tags in the kuserguide [05:17] <enrico> fixing... [05:19] <enrico> kde .deb is empty [05:19] <enrico> let me see... [05:19] <mgalvin> i copied the ubuntu-docs rules from kubuntu-docs, probably needs the same fix [05:20] <enrico> mgalvin: no, it was missing ../ before build. Fixed [05:20] <enrico> it's 9 megs now :) [05:20] <enrico> wow [05:20] <enrico> the gnome one is 573Kb [05:20] <enrico> something is wrong [05:21] <mgalvin> kubuntu-docs does have more docs in it than ubuntu-docs [05:21] <enrico> you might want to fix the debian/changelog for kde [05:21] <enrico> mgalvin: ah, ok [05:21] <enrico> I'll commit the changes so far. Looks good to me [05:22] <mgalvin> ok, i will talk to froud about that too [05:22] <mgalvin> k, cool [05:23] <enrico> mgalvin: there you go. Try building the packages and see if there's everything. Then, when you need it, I can make an upload [05:25] <mgalvin> building them both now [05:28] <mgalvin> kde failed... checkign [05:29] <mgalvin> fixed [05:32] <mgalvin> comitted [05:33] <mgalvin> enrico: they both build fine now, thanx [05:45] <enrico> mgalvin: anytime! Does the .debs contain everything they should and install it in the right place? [05:49] <mgalvin> enrico: the final decisions have not been made yet as to what we are going to ship (depends on what gets done in time ;)), the current install locations should be correct [05:50] <rob^> hey mgalvin, I will be away for about 10 days starting in a few days time [05:50] <rob^> so don't get too worried when I seem to vanish from the face of the earth for a while [05:51] <mgalvin> rob^: ok, thanks for letting me know [05:51] <mgalvin> :) [05:51] <rob^> np, bloody work.. [05:51] <mgalvin> work trip, that sux [05:51] <enrico> mgalvin: [tip] to check the contents of a .deb, you can use Midnight Commander as it's able to navigate inside [05:51] <rob^> heh, yes, considering who I work for [05:52] <mgalvin> enrico: i did not know that, neat [05:52] <rob^> I think there is a gui app that can do the same also [05:57] <mgalvin> hehe [05:57] <rob^> whist installing packages with apt-get [05:57] <mgalvin> it's funny watching it struggle [05:58] <rob^> yeah, its probably doing about a frame a second [05:58] <rob^> the hd is going nuts [05:58] <rob^> its only got 64mb ram in it, running breezy [05:59] <mgalvin> lol [05:59] <mgalvin> gesh [06:01] <rob^> its installing OOo2, should be intresting to run [06:02] <rob^> eh poor thing. I'm going to be [06:02] <rob^> d [06:03] <rob^> night all [06:03] <mgalvin> night [06:55] <ploum> Hello [06:55] <ploum> To take screenshot of the breezy installation, I'm looking for a virtualizer software [06:55] <ploum> free [06:56] <ploum> Is there anything easily installable in Hoary ? [06:56] <ploum> (a 30 days trial of vmware or anything like that would be enough) [07:00] <ploum> To take screenshot of the breezy installation, I'm looking for a free (a in beer) virtualizer software [07:16] <mgalvin> ploum: you can use the vmware trial, they will send you a temp serial #, it does work in hoary [07:26] <venda> enrico: ping [07:27] <mgalvin> venda: hey, i am replying to your email now [07:27] <venda> waz up [07:27] <enrico> venda: hey! [07:27] <venda> crontabs my side just stopped [07:27] <venda> enrico: make kubuntu is now broke [07:27] <venda> :-( [07:27] <enrico> venda: is that my fault? [07:28] <venda> can make debs [07:28] <enrico> used to work here [07:28] <venda> see ./prepdeb.sh [07:28] <enrico> I didn't touch the makefile! I swear! [07:28] <venda> with pwd kde/ [07:28] <venda> do ./prepdeb.sh [07:29] <venda> enrico: mgalvin; kde/debian was changed [07:30] <enrico> venda: so, I see now that hte packagew isn't built using the stuff in svn [07:30] <enrico> weird [07:30] <enrico> any reason for it? Usually one does a svn export and builds on it [07:30] <enrico> I see you also do some rm -rf [07:30] <enrico> fine [07:30] <venda> ./prepdeb.sh does exports [07:31] <venda> and prunes folders not required [07:31] <enrico> wouldn't that be enough? svn export . /tmp/kubuntu-docs-version; cd /tmp/kubuntu-docs-version; rm -rf (what you need); dpkg-buildpackage [07:31] <venda> so making deb size smaller [07:31] <mgalvin> venda: i just told make not to -C kde/, which didn't work outside of prepdeb.sh [07:32] <venda> mgalvin: prepdeb is there to make life easier [07:32] <enrico> venda: goal would be to have predeb get smaller and smaller [07:32] <highvoltage> venda: hi there [07:32] <mgalvin> venda: sure, i just didn't know that when we modified it :-/ [07:33] <mgalvin> i didn't notice that prepdeb was there [07:33] <venda> humm, all I do is have cron run a job executing the script passing it the 5.10 [07:34] <venda> I used it for lnix.net/~froud [07:35] <mgalvin> ok, cool... well i have no objections to rolling back the kde changes since you rely on it being the way it was [07:35] <venda> see http://lnix.net/~froud//deb/kubuntu-docs_5.10-0.4_all.deb [07:36] <venda> what was the problem that prompted your change [07:36] <venda> is there someting you need [07:36] <mgalvin> i only wanted to make ubuntu-docs work anyway [07:36] <mgalvin> i don't need kubuntu-docs to be changed at all [07:37] <venda> ok [07:37] <venda> so next time, just do ./prebdeb.sh 5.10 [07:37] <mgalvin> enrico: what was the initial reason for mod'ing kubuntu-docs package? [07:37] <mgalvin> ok [07:37] <venda> that will do everything for you the result is deb and srcs [07:38] <venda> do you know how to role back :-) or shall I [07:38] <mgalvin> i think when DEB_MAKE_BUILD_TARGET=kdeb was added it broken the other stages [07:39] <mgalvin> which ever, go ahead an do it so you know you have the proper things there that you need [07:39] <mgalvin> sorry for the breakage [07:39] <venda> np [07:40] <venda> later [07:40] <mgalvin> later [07:45] <ploum> ths mgalvin [07:45] <ploum> thanks ;-) [07:45] <mgalvin> ploum: np [07:53] <enrico> dah. I was at the phone [07:53] <enrico> mgalvin: please feel free to revert my changes [07:53] <enrico> however, common practice is that when you see a debian/ directory, you can do dpkg-buildpackage [07:53] <enrico> venda: oh, there you are back. [07:54] <enrico> replay: [07:54] <enrico> dah. I was at the phone [07:54] <enrico> please feel free to revert my changes [07:54] <enrico> however, common practice is that when you see a debian/ directory, you can do dpkg-buildpackage [07:54] <enrico> I'd suggest to have as a (long term?) target the idea of not needing the predeb.sh script anymore [07:55] <enrico> as you've seen today, an experienced developer approaching this structure for the first time is going to make messes [07:55] <venda> hmmm [07:55] <enrico> about the DEB_MAKE_BUILD_TARGET, I can't undertsand how that could break things: it was just a better CDBS way of saying that build is "make something" instad of just "make" [07:57] <venda> trick is to move away all the unwanted stuff for th epackage [07:57] <venda> the difference in size is huge [07:57] <venda> hence this method [07:58] <enrico> plus the messup because there are common things in debian/../.., while there should only be a debian/.. [07:58] <enrico> I understand [07:58] <enrico> why having two debian/ directories, BTW? [07:58] <venda> yeah we have a debian for gnome and a debian for kde [07:58] <enrico> There could be only a debian/, toplevel, building both KDE and GNOME stuff [07:59] <enrico> that way you don't need reshuffling common and libs at least [07:59] <venda> enrico: could be [07:59] <venda> Hmmm [07:59] <venda> see upstream drops [07:59] <enrico> upstream drops? [07:59] <venda> large things [07:59] <enrico> I don't understand [08:00] <enrico> What I mean is that it'd be much better to just do svn export and a bunch of rm -r than also having to reshuffle directories [08:00] <enrico> the difference being that the build system you see on the svn checkout references actually existing directories [08:01] <enrico> so when I look at the dh_install lines, they match what is around [08:02] <enrico> I'll be back in 20' [08:26] <venda> enrico: mgalvin: for now I have done a role back svn merge -r HEAD:1565 debian debian [08:27] <mgalvin> ok [08:27] <venda> enrico: run ./prepdeb.sh see how it builds, if we can improve and keep the build working it would be good [08:30] <venda> enrico: what's most important is that we won't package src that is not used [08:30] <venda> at present I still have th eproblem of packing the upstream dro[ [08:31] <venda> s/dro[/drop [08:31] <venda> but that could be src used to build html in future [08:31] <venda> k later [09:37] <mdke> evening [09:38] <mgalvin> hey mdke [09:40] <mdke> heya [09:40] <mdke> i have an idea to pass by you [09:41] <mdke> mgalvin, i know nothing about packaging, which is why I ask. Is it going to be an easy thing to sort out packages for other languages do you think? Like ubuntu-doc-fr or whatever [09:42] <mdke> if so, we might be able to sort it so that the language selector installs the right package automatically, like with the language packs (if there is enough space on the install cd) [09:52] <mgalvin> mdke: i have not actually created lang specific packages so i have to learn how, but... i don't think its difficult though and it would be nice to be able to do that [09:53] <mgalvin> i am pretty sure its just a matter of creating the packages in debian/control, build all the docs for all langs and in debian/rules just stick them in the proper package (for the most part) [09:55] <mdke> ok cool [09:55] <mdke> the hardest thing might be to get them on the cd [09:55] <mdke> we'll have to speak to the tech board for advice i guess [09:55] <mdke> how big are the packages? [09:56] <mgalvin> yea, the good thing right now is that ubuntu-docs is really small [09:56] <mgalvin> ~590k [09:56] <mdke> just html right? [09:56] <mgalvin> yup [09:56] <mdke> cool [09:56] <mdke> ok we can speak to some devs nearer the time then [09:56] <mdke> great [09:56] <mgalvin> yup, sounds good [11:17] <mpt> wow, Evolution's help is actually pretty reasonable [12:03] <ranto> I have a rather off topic question. Does anyone know how to charge a documentation project? what's the typical man-hour price?

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2024-05-13T23:20:37.762954

2005-08-20-#ubuntu-devel

[12:01] <Burgundavia> what should I call the framework page to be copied? [12:02] <mpt> Something that makes it appear in the "Page templates:" list [12:02] <mpt> I don't know how that works [12:02] <mpt> maybe it needs to end in "Template"? [12:02] <mpt> LaptopTestingTemplate? [12:04] <Burgundavia> yes [12:05] <mpt> Is there an ETA on cdimage.ubuntu.com returning to life? [12:05] <tseng> works for me [12:06] <Burgundavia> mpt, can you copyedit the instructions at the top of LaptopTestingSpec ? [12:06] <mpt> whoa, thanks, tseng, you must have unclogged something [12:06] <tseng> mpt: hah i downloaded an iso a few moments ago [12:08] <tseng> it was about 20 [12:09] <mpt> That's about 32 MB/moment [12:11] <Burgundavia> shall we merge LaptopTesting and LaptopTestingSpec ? [12:11] <ajmitch_> mpt: I'd say that 'one day' won't be in NZ then :) [12:12] <mpt> "Yes, that's it", said the Hatter with a sigh: "it's always download time, and we've no time to burn the images between moments." [12:13] <mpt> Burgundavia: I was just about to suggest incorporating it into the LaptopTestingTemplate, with people deleting instructions as they fill stuff out, but I don't know how feasible that would be [12:13] <Burgundavia> Template is going to be something they are going to copy over [12:13] <Burgundavia> nothing more [12:14] <Burgundavia> probably better to have them seperated [12:14] <mpt> (see for example the intro of https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/LaunchpadProposalTemplate) [12:15] <Burgundavia> hmm [12:16] <mpt> (though those instructions can get away with being much more concise) [12:17] <mpt> yeah, separate pages is probably better [12:18] <Burgundavia> we need two pages [12:18] <Burgundavia> one for the instructions [12:18] <Burgundavia> and one for the table to be copied [12:26] <Burgundavia> mpt, you want to do that work? [12:29] <mpt> no, "fix laptop pages" wasn't on my list of things to do today [12:29] <mpt> I got distracted [12:30] <Burgundavia> mpt, ok [12:30] <Burgundavia> can do [12:32] <mpt> sorry [12:32] <Burgundavia> np [12:44] <lakin> should I not have added myself to the LaptopTestingHardware? [12:44] <Burgundavia> lakin, see the spec page now [12:45] <Burgundavia> lakin, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTesting [12:45] <Burgundavia> lakin, the template is currently being worked on [12:48] <lakin> k, brb phone [12:49] <lakin> Burgundavia, cool, these were the instructions I was looking for all morning. :) [03:59] <jdub> oh man [03:59] <jdub> first time in ages [03:59] <jdub> i have no uninstallable packages! [04:00] <jdub> yayyayayaya! [04:00] <mjg59> Heh [04:02] <jdub> whoa, and full installability of nvidia-glx on my desktop [04:02] <jdub> bongers! [04:02] <ajmitch_> jdub: yeah, things are looking up, even universe isn't horribly broken all over :) [04:03] <jdub> hrm [04:03] <jdub> and meanwhile, i can't do the same on my laptop [04:03] <davyd> can someone recompile xscreensaver to be Xinerama aware [04:03] <jdub> hrm [04:03] <davyd> ? [04:03] <davyd> that would be really rad [04:03] <jdub> hrm, dev packages [04:05] <Lathiat> davyd: try gnome-screensaver [04:05] <Lathiat> with the extrag oodness fo waiting 5 seconds for the password box to appear [04:05] <Lathiat> maybe 25 if your disk is being chewed by something [04:05] <davyd> Lathiat: yeah, I hear that's godawful slow [04:06] <Lathiat> i wish xscreensaver would look pretty again, tho [04:06] <davyd> is that because it's starting a process when you hit the button? [04:06] <`anthony> jdub: next thing you know, X will work. [04:06] <Lathiat> davyd: yeh, possibly with gnome deps too not just gtk (gnome_program_init vs gtk_init sucks) [04:06] <Lathiat> or it did a few months back anyway [04:06] <davyd> I could understand that [04:06] <Lathiat> like, several time suckier [04:07] <jdub> x works! [04:07] <ajmitch_> jdub: this from a nice fresh install? [04:08] <jdub> dunno [04:08] <jdub> haven't tried one of those yet [04:10] <jdub> xkb works on my desktop [04:10] <Lathiat> heh [04:10] <Lathiat> i've had working X for a few days now :) [06:09] <fabbione> morning [07:14] <pitti> Good morning [07:14] <daniels> morning pitti [07:15] <fabbione> hey pitti [07:15] <fabbione> hey kid [07:15] <daniels> morning fabbione [07:15] <pitti> Hi fabbione, back to work life? :-) How is your house now? [07:15] <fabbione> pitti: yeah i am back... [07:16] <fabbione> pitti: a bit better than before.. we almost managed to finish the garden room [07:16] <pitti> garden *room*? interesting [07:16] <fabbione> we had way more problems than expected with rotten wood and crappy work that has done before... [07:16] <fabbione> pitti: sort of porch... [07:16] <fabbione> i only need to lay the new floor and i am done [07:17] <fabbione> have to wait for my wife to finish the cement borders to avoid water to come in [07:17] <fabbione> otherwise the new floor would be damaged [07:18] <fabbione> pitti: i got your 3 tons of emails.... [07:18] <fabbione> pitti: did you find anybody to work on it? [07:18] <pitti> fabbione: not yet... everybody is just so busy [07:19] <fabbione> MEH [07:19] <pitti> fabbione: I could ask Herbert if he could do Hoary as well [07:20] <fabbione> pitti: let me see if i can get BenC to do it... but he doesn't know the kernel build system yet. i am afraid [07:20] <fabbione> pitti: i definetely have no time for it.. [07:21] <fabbione> i mean, i will check breezy.. but that's all i can do atm [07:25] <pitti> Hi JaneW [07:26] <fabbione> morning JaneW [07:28] <JaneW> morning fabbione & pitti [07:31] <pitti> daniels: btw, did you get my email with the xorg CANs the other day? Can you please add them to the changelog in the next update? [07:53] <doko_> good morning [07:56] <fabbione> hey doko [07:56] <doko> fabbione: http://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2005-08/msg00190.html [07:57] <mantiena> hi mdz [07:58] <fabbione> doko: interesting :)))) [07:58] <fabbione> doko: i am sure we can wait for them to apply and import the fix later [07:58] <fabbione> there are not that many pkgs FTBFS due to that [08:16] <sivang> Morning all [08:16] <pitti> Hi sivang [08:17] <sivang> Hi pitti [08:19] <mantiena> anyone can tell me where I can find newest ubuntu-express sources ? [08:20] <mantiena> at archive.ubuntu.com exist only old 0.3 version :( [08:22] <pitti> Hi marilize [08:23] <marilize> pitti: Hi [08:23] <bob2> mantiena: didn't they include a url in the email to -devel? [08:28] <mantiena> bob2, source files doesn't exist at url I've found at http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-August/009560.html [08:28] <mantiena> I can download only .deb packages :( [08:30] <Lathiat> Hows that going anyway [08:30] <Lathiat> goign to be ready? [08:30] <bob2> er, I hope they're not using any GPL code in those packages then [08:30] <bob2> GPL violations are as uncool as getting your hand stuck in the blender
 [08:31] <Lathiat> look for that message [08:32] <Lathiat> (has the sources) [08:33] <Lathiat> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 02:25:29 +0200 [08:34] <fabbione> infinity, daniels: ping? [08:39] <mantiena> Lathiat, thanks [08:43] <Lathiat> mantiena: nps [08:45] <infinity> fabbione : pong. [08:45] <fabbione> infinity: i still get the: [08:45] <fabbione> dpkg: error processing /opt/sparcbuildd/chroots/chroot-breezy/var/cache/apt/archives/libglu1-mesa-dev_6.2.1-5ubuntu5_sparc.deb (--unpack): [08:45] <fabbione> trying to overwrite `/usr/include/GL/glu.h', which is also in package x11proto-gl-dev [08:45] <fabbione> has it been fixed and my cache is "dirty"? or is it still pending? [08:47] <infinity> x11proto-gl-dev Replaces libglu1-mesa-dev, so dpkg is supposed to take care of that automagically. [08:47] <infinity> Unless the dpkg in your base system doesn't handle back-replaces properly. [08:47] <fabbione> it's the latest one.... [08:47] <infinity> What is your base system running? [08:48] <infinity> Both hoary (well, hoary-updates) and breezy handle this case correctly. [08:48] <fabbione> Version: 1.13.10ubuntu1 [08:48] <fabbione> i think it's the latest one... [08:48] <\sh> ahhh...fabbione the master of the kernel [08:48] <fabbione> infinity [08:48] <mantiena> Lathiat, you are talking about this email http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-August/009560.html ? [08:49] <fabbione> infinity: but if you say it's working on our buildd, i will check mine later on.... [08:49] <\sh> fabbione: any objections to include an ethernet driver into kernel 2.6.12? The Marvell Yukon driver in the actual kernel is not compatible with the latest marvell yukon nics.. [08:50] <Lathiat> nope [08:50] <Lathiat> my message was a few days later [08:50] <fabbione> jamesh: meh.. a bit more background would be helpful.. [08:50] <fabbione> \sh <- [08:50] <infinity> fabbione : You run breezy in the base system? [08:51] <\sh> fabbione: ok..laptop testing...toshiba portege r200 :) just installed it via pxe and the driver wasn't working... [08:51] <fabbione> infinity: i run breezy in the chroot... of course... [08:51] <Lathiat> look in the whole thread [08:51] <Lathiat> theres a few [08:51] <\sh> fabbione: I just read some pages about installing linux on this r200 and I found a hint to actual drivers for the marvell yukon network device. [08:51] <fabbione> \sh do you have a reference to a patch? are you sure it's not only missing PCI-IDS? [08:52] <infinity> fabbione : Yes, but the BASE SYSTEM. What does it run? [08:52] <infinity> fabbione : sbuild uses apt-get and dpkg from the base system. [08:52] <fabbione> infinity [08:52] <fabbione> infinity: ahhhh sid... [08:52] <fabbione> infinity: an old version of sid [08:52] <infinity> Upgrade. [08:52] <\sh> fabbione: I checked...u can read as well: http://glozer.net/dynabook/dynabook.html [08:52] <fabbione> i guess i have to :) [08:52] <infinity> (Then you'll get segfaults instead... Unless you build the breezy dpkg on sid and install it) [08:53] <fabbione> \sh : ah ok.. no that patch won't go in [08:53] <fabbione> the driver from Marvell is sick [08:53] <fabbione> and the code has been severely rejected by upstream [08:53] <\sh> fabbione: actual driver source is on http://www.syskonnect.com/syskonnect/support/driver/d0102_driver.html [08:53] <mantiena> Lathiat, could you simply paste the url here ? [08:54] <Lathiat> mantiena: theres a bunch, just click the thread link at th ebottom fo that page [08:54] <Lathiat> mantiena: and get all the ones by the same person under that email [08:54] <mantiena> Lathiat, I need only source url [08:55] <\sh> fabbione: why is it sick? [08:55] <Lathiat> mantiena: i told you, theres like 5 of them [08:55] <Lathiat> mantiena: sort through them [08:55] <\sh> fabbione: the patch is working nicely and the driver is running smooth [08:55] <fabbione> \sh too much crappy code [08:55] <Lathiat> fabbione: shame [08:55] <Lathiat> it works tho ;p [08:55] <fabbione> \sh yes i know the code works, but it's unmaintanable [08:56] <Lathiat> really painful on the r200 as it has no cd drive so you need to netinstall [08:56] <\sh> fabbione: and the patch maintainer doesn't want to change this code? that's really bad, cause the work getting linux installed on this laptop is really to hard for the normal user [08:57] <Lathiat> \sh: what about the wireless driver [08:57] <\sh> i mean, even with the driver inside the kernel, and no external cd/dvd [08:57] <\sh> Lathiat: atheros...works out of the box [08:57] <Lathiat> cant pxe off it tho? [08:57] <\sh> Lathiat: problem is only, i don't have a wlan at home [08:58] <mantiena> Lathiat, sorry, but I did't find working url of newest ubuntu-express sources :( [08:58] <\sh> Lathiat: i just hacked myself into the neighbours wlan to test the connectivity and the connection [08:58] <Lathiat> heh [08:59] <\sh> Lathiat: and my pcmcia zyxel wlan card is not supported [08:59] <Lathiat> mantiena: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-August/thread.html#9474 [08:59] <Lathiat> mantiena: look at all the posts by "Javier Carranza" [08:59] <\sh> Lathiat: but setting up pxe for the normal user is even to hard or we are building a "ubuntu install pxe server" ;) [09:00] <Lathiat> \sh: you know what would rock [09:00] <Lathiat> \sh: a mode of the installer to start a pxe boot [09:00] <Lathiat> with a preseeded mirror config [09:00] <Lathiat> dhcp server etc [09:00] <\sh> Lathiat: u need a running apache for this...or we use the light-httpd [09:00] <Lathiat> \sh: thttpd would work [09:00] <Lathiat> or nfs [09:01] <\sh> no nfs [09:01] <Lathiat> why not nfs? [09:01] <Lathiat> so youd need udebs of dhcpd, atftpd, thttpd [09:01] <\sh> to much of a hassle...a small httpd is good enough to grab the packages from the cd [09:01] <Lathiat> and theyd need to be in main [09:02] <Lathiat> hrm [09:02] <\sh> ah...for that I have to play with d-i grmpf [09:02] <Lathiat> might try figure out how to do that [09:03] <\sh> but...the installer kernel doesn't support wifi at all...the madwifi drivers i didn't see while I was changing the initrd [09:03] <Lathiat> the insatller does wifi [09:03] <Lathiat> perhaps not for atheros [09:03] <Treenaks> \sh: the installer does weird wifi.. my prism54 works fine [09:03] <\sh> Lathiat: yes...for atheros u need only this madwifi [09:03] <Lathiat> my ipw2200 works [09:05] <\sh> k.k.k. what do i need for my hardware wishlist: wifi router, pcmcia wifi card, supported by kernel for my other laptop, usb-dvdrom, so i can install windows again on this little r200 bitch, red wine from stellenbosh and a lot of time to play around with d-i [09:06] <Lathiat> heh [09:12] <sivang> jamesh: I'd like to ask a few things about the translation domain, better be doing this here for benefit of others [09:12] <jamesh> okay [09:14] <sivang> jamesh: could you please explain the misplace of the translation domain ? [09:14] <jamesh> sivang: with the gettext system, there are two functions used to set up the translation domains [09:15] <\sh> fabbione: another question, cause I was fighting with the installer kernel to find the correct settings for compiling the module etc. which sourcepackage are u using for the installer kernel? or better to say, where can I find the sources for the installer kernel+layout and source package for the installer initrd [09:15] <jamesh> sivang: bindtextdomain() tells gettext that translations for a particular domain are stored in a particular directory [09:15] <jamesh> sivang: and textdomain() sets the default translation domain [09:15] <jamesh> sivang: so gettext("foo") will look up "foo" in the default translation domain [09:16] <jamesh> sivang: if you are writing a library, you don't want to depend on the default translation domain, since the application usually sets it [09:17] <jamesh> so there is a second API dgettext(DOMAIN, "foo"), which lets you specify which translation domain to translate the string in [09:17] <jamesh> bonobo_ui_component_set_translate() seems to translate the strings in the default translation domain, which is not appropriate for a library [09:17] <Lathiat> \sh: apt-get source linux-image-2.6.12-6-686 ? [09:17] <jamesh> since it would require that translations for the library's strings appear in the domains of all apps that use the library [09:19] <\sh> Lathiat: does it provide the installer initrd as well...cause the layout of the resulting initrd is different [09:20] <Lathiat> no idea [09:20] <Lathiat> that might be part of d-i [09:21] <crispin> mdz: should bug 13457 be closed now ? (its the python-gtk needs to depend on python-cairo) [09:22] <Lathiat> hrm one of archive.ubuntu.com's servers has died again [09:28] <pitti> moin mvo [09:29] <mvo> hey pitti! good morning all [09:29] <jamesh> sivang: does that explain the problem? [09:32] <sivang> jamesh: yeah, well, actually, I tried to find out about that exact feature of bonobo_ui_component_set_translate - it's corrolation with gettext, but the documentation was so sparse...So, this bonobo api functions triggers translation inside the specific app translation domain? were you able to find out if it also has any part in constructing the "physical" GUI ? [09:33] <robitaille> pitti: are we supposed to assign to you universe security bugs in Malone? https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1176 [09:34] <jamesh> sivang: bonobo_ui_component_set_translate() is essentially bonobo_ui_component_set(), with an extra step that scans the XML fragment after parsing, and looks for attributes starting with an underscore [09:34] <pitti> robitaille: I saw the assignments, but I probably won't have time for them anytime soon [09:34] <pitti> CC'ing would be fine [09:34] <jamesh> sivang: it then sets an associated non-underscore attribute with gettext(underscore-attribute-value), and then loads the UI [09:34] <pitti> robitaille: so if sb attaches a debdiff, I can review it [09:34] <jamesh> sivang: so that would translate in the app's translation domain rather than the library's one [09:35] <robitaille> pitti. ok. [09:36] <mantiena> Lathiat, thank you very much [09:37] <Lathiat> nps [09:38] <mdz> crispin: yes, I wasn't aware of it and independently discovered/fixed the same bug [09:38] <tepsipakki> kamion: now I got past the partman-phase, but after reboot the network is not set up [09:43] <\sh> mvo: apt-file is not installable ... fyi [09:43] <jdub> pitti: does the usb audio pluggy stuff do anything with input-only devices? [09:44] <pitti> jdub: not right now [09:44] <jdub> ok, ta :) [09:44] <pitti> jdub: would be easy enough to do so, should it? [09:44] <jdub> guess so [09:45] <jdub> btw, audio-in device is shown in the default soundcard dropdown [09:45] <mvo> \sh: ok, thanks [09:46] <mantiena> mdz, when are you will upload new ubuntu-express version to ubuntu archive ? [09:46] <mantiena> mvo, hi [09:46] <\sh> mvo: one of the perl libs is b0rked.. [09:47] <mvo> \sh: libapt-perl needs to be rebuild [09:47] <mvo> mantiena: hey mantiena [09:54] <mantiena> mvo, about 7 months ago you promised to fix ubuntu bug #2706 ;) [09:56] <\sh> *grmpf* [09:57] <ajmitch_> \sh: problems still? [09:57] <mvo> mantiena: hrm, yes. I have a pretty big patch for apt that fixes that. not yet accepted unfortunately [09:57] <mantiena> :( [09:58] <\sh> ajmitch_: suspend activated... [09:58] <mantiena> mvo, are there any hope to fix this bug in breezy ? [09:58] <ajmitch_> \sh: resume didn't work tho? [09:58] <mvo> mantiena: no :( [09:59] <ajmitch_> hi mvo :) [09:59] <\sh> ajmitch_: i'm checking...:) [09:59] <mvo> hey ajmitch_! [10:01] <\sh> hmmmm [10:01] <fabbione> who is the actual contact point for backports? [10:01] <fabbione> actually.. where is he? [10:01] <\sh> mez [10:02] <bob2> Mez, apparently [10:03] <fabbione> does he have a bugzilla email? [10:03] <fabbione> clearly my request of NOT backporting the kernel has been overruled.. [10:03] <fabbione> and i sort of would like to reassign some stuff to him [10:04] <\sh> martin@sourceguru.net ? [10:04] <sivang> jamesh: ok, that's all clear now. Did you read _set_translate's code to figure that out? [10:06] <jamesh> sivang: yeah. It's also apparent from the fact that _set_translate() doesn't provide a way to tell it what translation domain to use [10:12] <sivang> jamesh: I see. Now, where did you modify my code to reset the current working translation domain rather then the default set by a respective client app ? [10:12] <jamesh> sivang: I changed the part where the XML is constructed [10:13] <jamesh> sivang: instead of doing _label="untranslated-string", I generate it as label="translated-string" [10:26] <sivang> jamesh: as a side note, what does launchpad-integration.in is used for ? (is it used by python dist-utiles?) [10:26] <jamesh> sivang: creates the launchpad-integration script (put in $prefix/bin) [10:33] <sivang> jamesh: I also noticed you remove the support for adding tootips, I guess they are redundent? [10:34] <jamesh> sivang: menu items don't need tooltips [10:34] <ogra> hmm, why do i have to select the app if i choos to file a bug from the help menu ? [10:34] <sivang> jamesh: ok, cool [10:34] <sivang> ogra: is it main? [10:35] <sivang> ogra: (support is there for stuff mostly in main, and in the desktop seed) [10:35] <ogra> its evo [10:35] <sivang> ogra: for others, you need to use the picker [10:35] <sivang> ogra: evo is not yet done, or at least so I know. I need to ask seb about it when he goes online [10:35] <sivang> ogra: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadIntegration for ready apps [10:36] <ogra> ah, ok... its a matter o the app... i thought launchpad-integration could just grab the app name from the wnck list [10:38] <mvo> sivang: IIRC seb is not going to be around today. it's a public holiday in france [10:38] <\sh> hmmm...bluetooth only via patch...the chipset is recognized...but enabling bluetooth is only possible via acpi and for this, there is another patch which isn't included in kernel upstream and will never make it [10:39] <sivang> mvo: ah ok, well, then I'll wait for tommorow :) btw, what sudo changes did you add to lpint ? (I saw it on the baz log) [10:41] <mvo> sivang: some apps (gnome-system-tools, synaptic, ...) run from sudo and they drop root now before firing up mozilla [10:42] <sivang> mvo: that's a good behavior, no? (why should mozilla be fired up with privs) [10:42] <sivang> mvo: ah oops :) [10:42] <sivang> mvo: just read it carefully now [10:44] <mvo> :) [10:46] <pitti> daniels: hm, a lot of apps don't like restarts of dbus. What do you think about not restarting it on package upgrades? [10:47] <daniels> pitti: i've just been having this argument with gnome folk for a while now [10:48] <daniels> pitti: i'm still pretty convinced that we should be restarting it [10:48] <pitti> daniels: me too, on the utopia list [10:48] <daniels> pitti: battery-applet is getting changed to deal with it [10:48] <daniels> and we have the g-v-m patch [10:48] <daniels> oh, I should probably get on utopia-list [10:48] <pitti> daniels: I can probably fix g-v-m harder [10:48] <daniels> cool :) [10:48] <pitti> daniels: and I think mvo applied a patch for update-notifier [10:48] <\sh> hmmm [10:49] <daniels> cool [10:51] <mvo> yes, update-notifier should survive it too [10:56] <sivang> ogra: do you have the launchpad integration items in evo's help menu? [10:56] <ogra> i have "file a bug" there [10:56] <sivang> ogra: what do you get when you click it? [10:57] <ogra> a bug buddy like wizard... [10:58] <sivang> jamesh: one last thing, in my original bonobo lib, I had PKG_CHECK_MODULES(BONOBO, libbonoboui-2.0 >= 2.0 launchpad-integration) , since I was at the POV of depending on the package. How can a package depend on itself as in the new configure.ac ? :) [10:58] <sivang> ogra: that's the original evo item [10:58] <sivang> ogra: so evo, just hadn't been patched yet [10:58] <ogra> oh... i never recognized it :) [10:58] <sivang> ogra: hehe :) if you find any misbehavior in the worked apps, please let me know :) [10:59] <ogra> i'l do :) [10:59] <sivang> jamesh: (I take it that the rest of setup in the configure.ac file are just linearally incremnetal as the number of files you need to handle gets bigger) [11:11] <doko> daniels: did libxp-dev vanish, is there a replacement for the package? [11:12] <daniels> doko: a) yes, b) no [11:13] <pitti> mvo: I just fixed the reconnection patch of g-v-m; did you use the same code? [11:13] <mvo> pitti: yes, could you send the patch to me? [11:15] <sivang> can anyone tell me how can I see annotate by a file name in baz? [11:18] <siretart> fabbione: around? [11:19] <pitti> sivang: annotate does not seem to work at all for me... [11:19] <pitti> sivang: oh, wait, it does [11:20] <BBB> pitti, ping [11:20] <pitti> Hi BBB [11:20] <BBB> hello [11:20] <pitti> sivang: baz annotate ./file works fine [11:20] <BBB> how hard would it be to get nl (dutch) translations on the default live-CD so we can order a whole bunch of those and hand them out for free? [11:20] <fabbione> siretart: yes [11:21] <BBB> (we'd like to hand them out at the biggest computer conference in the netherlands, we already have a stand, so we're now looking for PR material) [11:21] <daniels> BBB: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo [11:21] <daniels> might be LiveCd instead of LiveCD [11:21] <siretart> fabbione: would you/ubuntu be interested in sparc hardware for buildds? A friend would like to offer 2 Sparc AXi with hosting [11:22] <daniels> BBB: but you just want to follow those instructions and install language-pack-nl and all its associated packages [11:22] <fabbione> siretart: yup :) [11:22] <daniels> what's the problem with sparc at the moment; is it mainly toolchain? [11:22] <fabbione> siretart: but it highly depends on what kind of access i can get to them [11:22] <fabbione> daniels: binutils, but there is a patch already around [11:22] <siretart> fabbione: I think they have 300mhz and about 30gb harddisk, we would setup it for you with whatever os you want and provide you an root account on that [11:23] <fabbione> siretart: perfect :) [11:23] <fabbione> siretart: that's all i wanted to know :) [11:23] <BBB> daniels, that method has one problem: we'd rather not produce the CDs ourselves, since they cost (a lot of) money, which we don't have. :) [11:23] <pitti> BBB: it's only on the powerpc and ia64 live CDs ATM because of space restrictions [11:24] <siretart> fabbione: if it is impossible to install hoary on that sparc, I would install that. otherwise I'd install sarge/sparc [11:24] <fabbione> siretart: given that we can't install ubuntu yet, a minimal debian sid will do [11:24] <fabbione> siretart: unfortunatly we need sid [11:24] <BBB> pitti, so how tough will it be to get you guys to make those CDs for us? :) impossible? or close-to-impossible (good enough for me :) )? [11:24] <fabbione> so you can install sarge and i can take care of upgrading. You will only need to keep an eye on it for the kernel upgrade [11:25] <fabbione> siretart: it is important for me that the 2 sparcs can sends email out and ssh in/out [11:25] <fabbione> + download via http [11:25] <BBB> I'm ok with making the ISO, but we cannot produce the CDs, it simply costs too much... ubuntu ships the live-CDs for free to interested parties, which is why we're so interested in it [11:25] <pitti> BBB: make == press? or make == generate image? the former is probably close-to-impossible (please ask mako and/or marilize), the latter is easy and you can do it yourself [11:25] <BBB> press [11:25] <siretart> fabbione: ok. one machine is at home (at me). will install sarge and give it joerg brendel (http://brendel-it.de). [11:25] <pitti> BBB: I'm not involved in the pressing process, but mako and marilize are [11:26] <siretart> fabbione: the other machine is at another frind, I'll arrange the installation [11:26] <fabbione> siretart: ok... thanks [11:26] <siretart> mail/ssh should be no problem [11:26] <fabbione> siretart: let me know when you are done so that i can start setting them up [11:26] <fabbione> speaking of which.... [11:26] <siretart> fabbione: he uses ubuntu for hosting, so that his way of saying 'thanks' :) [11:26] <fabbione> maswan: ping? [11:26] <fabbione> siretart: ROCKING! [11:26] <BBB> pitti, ok, I'll bug them then, thnx so far :) [11:34] <BBB> mako, ping [11:34] <BBB> (step #2 :) ) [11:35] <pitti> BBB: mako is in the USA and is probably asleep [11:35] <BBB> ok, I'll wait ~4 hrs then [11:35] <BBB> thnx again ;) [11:35] <siretart> fabbione: any preferences about partitioning? [11:36] <fabbione> siretart: hmm the 30GB are on one disk, right? [11:37] <torkel> fabbione: maswan is on vacation, I'm not sure how often he is here [11:38] <fabbione> torkel: ah ok.. are you one of the admins at umu.se? [11:38] <torkel> fabbione: well, at hpc2n.umu.se [11:39] <fabbione> siretart: if it's on one disk, than make swap at the end of the disk (2xRAM should do) and one big partition at the beginning [11:39] <torkel> fabbione: but I have another of the ACC guys in the room nextdoor [11:39] <fabbione> torkel: acc.umu.se is part of that? [11:39] <fabbione> torkel: oh i see.. well there is no rush.. [11:40] <fabbione> dunno if they know about buttercup :) [11:40] <siretart> fabbione: OK [11:40] <fabbione> siretart: perfect [11:40] <siretart> I hope the machines will get online about end of this week [11:40] <fabbione> torkel: i will just wait for maswan to be back :) [11:40] <torkel> fabbione: nope. We (HPC2N) is the supercomputing center here. ACC is the computer club. maswan works at HPC2N though... [11:40] <fabbione> siretart: i have no rush.. it always take sometimes to put buildd's online anyway [11:41] <fabbione> torkel: ok.. don't worry.. i will just wait for maswan to be back :) [11:41] <torkel> fabbione: buttercup down? [11:41] <fabbione> torkel: yeps... [11:42] <fabbione> it mostlikely need a powercycle [11:42] <fabbione> the kernel on that box keeps hanging hard [11:42] <torkel> fabbione: I poked the guy next door. He should take a look at it [11:43] <fabbione> torkel: thanks [11:44] <\sh> doko: ping [11:44] <\sh> fabbione: can u give me a hint on the initrd we are using for the installation media cds? [11:45] <fabbione> \sh the initrd is generated by debian-installer. i don't know all the details about it [11:45] <\sh> fabbione: so which package? apt-get source debian-installer? [11:46] <fabbione> yes [11:46] <ogra> fabbione, laptop mission ? http://www.nextcomputing.com/powersparc.htm [11:47] <fabbione> ogra: ehehhe i have no such hardware [11:47] <ogra> hey, youre supposed to, youre the sparc guy here :) [11:47] <fabbione> ogra: not anymore.. we have Sparc God BenC now :) [11:48] <ogra> oh, true.... [11:48] <ogra> infinity, around ? [11:49] <infinity> No. [11:49] <ogra> heh [11:49] <doko> \sh: pong [11:50] <\sh> doko: isdnutils...libcapi20-dev depends on libcapi20-2 but from what i see isdnutils is generating libcapi20-3...some things are waiting as well for libcapi20-2 in the buildds and r not buildable [11:50] <ogra> infinity, somehow my xaos package is stuck on i386.... could you have a look whats keeping it stuck if youre around again ? [11:51] <doko> ohh crap, missed that one ... [11:51] <infinity> ogra : Unstuck. [11:51] <ogra> (i suspect there is an older build) [11:51] <ogra> ah, thanks :) [11:52] <doko> \sh: sorry, no, which version? [11:53] <\sh> Version: 1:3.7.2005-07-09-2ubuntu1 [11:54] <\sh> I tried to install libcapi20-dev...and it wants to have libcapi20-2 as dependency [11:54] <\sh> another one which is waiting for libcapi20-2 is bayonne [11:54] <\sh> (according to http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.i386) [11:55] <doko> according to the build logs, this version was never built ... [11:57] <\sh> doko: hmmm?! [11:58] <\sh> the source is in the archive.. [11:58] <\sh> and all build attempts failed on the 15th [12:02] <daniels> seb128: morning [12:02] <daniels> seb128: the latest xorg changelog might be interesting [12:02] <seb128> hi daniels [12:04] <seb128> daniels: the "* Correct DefaultFontPath." part? [12:04] <daniels> yeah [12:04] <seb128> cool [12:12] <ploum> Hello [12:12] <ploum> is there any bugzilla admin here ? [12:13] <ajmitch_> ploum: ping ogra about it :) [12:13] <ogra> ajmitch_, huh ? [12:13] <ajmitch_> ogra: editbugs for ploum [12:14] <rob^> is there a page somewhere listing the size of the different repos? [12:14] <ogra> ploum, have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs ? [12:15] <ploum> ogra, yes. seb128 asked that someone grant me editbugs privilege [12:15] <ogra> ploum, you bugzilla login? [12:15] <ploum> ploum@fritalk.com [12:15] <ogra> your even [12:16] <ploum> even ? [12:17] <ogra> ploum, done, user the power wise ;) [12:17] <ploum> ogra, thank you :-) [12:18] <ploum> have a nice day [12:22] <ogra> :) [12:22] <sivang> seb128: Hey :) 'sup? how many apps did you reach FF with? [12:28] <fabbione> torkel: thanks! buttercup is up again [12:28] <fabbione> torkel: mind to thanks the other guy for me? [12:28] <seaLne> his is there a problem with the bittorrent tracker?: [12:28] <torkel> fabbione: sure, will do... [12:28] <doko> ogra: do you handle the inclusion reports for edubuntu/gcompris? [12:29] <ogra> yep [12:29] <ogra> pitti, xaos is fixed... how do we handle this? do i notify you here or do i just add it to the report? [12:29] <pitti> ogra: add it to the report, please [12:30] <ogra> oki [12:32] <sivang> pitti: thanks, works well [12:33] <tseng> pitti: hi! was there a known problem with no sound in a clean breezy install? [12:33] <pitti> tseng: not really [12:33] <pitti> tseng: no sound == no detected audio card? [12:33] <tseng> it has the device, and i dont believe it is muted [12:33] <pitti> tseng: or some higher level issue like esd? [12:33] <tseng> i killed esd [12:33] <tseng> and switched gst to alsa [12:34] <Mithrandir> hm, live cd seems busted still. [12:34] <Mithrandir> gnome-session b0rken [12:36] <bob2> daniels: is "libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libXcursor.la'" iz kde bug? [12:36] <daniels> bob2: yeah [12:36] <daniels> bob2: work out which .la it's from and recompile that source package [12:37] <Riddell> bob2: what are you compiling? and what does grep /usr/lib/libXcursor.la /usr/lib/*la bring up? [12:37] <bob2> daniels: ah, thanks [12:38] <bob2> daniels: does libtool need .la for static linking on linux? [12:38] <daniels> bob2: they don't need .la for linking anything on linux [12:39] <teprrr> so hmm [12:39] <Keybuk> oooOOOOH usplash love [12:39] <bob2> it was teprrr who was trying to compile something [12:39] <bob2> 20:37:49 Riddell | bob2: what are you compiling? and what does grep /usr/lib/libXcursor.la /usr/lib/*la bring up? [12:39] <Keybuk> with a strangely empty white box in the middle of the screen [12:39] <bob2> teprrr: ^ [12:39] <bob2> Keybuk: you're alive! [12:40] <Keybuk> aww, it didn't last long; it flipped back to the ordinary boot [12:40] <teprrr> Riddell, there's no libXcursor.la at all [12:40] <ogra> Keybuk, its only using a timeout for now afaik [12:40] <daniels> teprrr: that's the point [12:41] <Keybuk> ah, wondered whether it was the "mdadm: no raid arrays in control file [fail] " thing [12:41] <Riddell> teprrr: did you run `grep /usr/lib/libXcursor.la /usr/lib/*la` ? [12:41] <teprrr> http://pastebin.com/337300 -- and there are tha la files around there [12:41] <daniels> teprrr: that's why you need to grep for it across /usr/lib/*.la [12:41] <teprrr> ah, didn't see that.. hmm. [12:41] <Keybuk> bob2: I am [12:41] <daniels> teprrr: ok, so either your installation is old and you need to dist-upgrade, or you've compiled stuff by hand and you now need to recompile it all [12:42] <bob2> teprrr likes to compile all the kde stuff him/herself [12:42] <teprrr> http://pastebin.com/337301 -- that's what the grep returns [12:43] <bob2> go kde [12:43] <teprrr> daniels, hmm. so this has been a bug in recent kde svn? [12:43] <Riddell> teprrr, bob2: it's nothing to do with kde per se, only when it was compiled [12:43] <daniels> teprrr: no, just changes to the underlying system. packages deal with it fine. if you compile it yourself, you lose. [12:43] <daniels> teprrr: so you need to recompile everything which produces those .la files, and in the correct order too. enjoy. [12:44] <teprrr> ah, um, so who should produce those .la files then? or aren't you talking about libx*.la anymore but kde's .las? [12:47] <Riddell> teprrr: what are you compiling? [12:47] <teprrr> well, this snapshot is anyways buggy.. will check if recompiling helps then [12:48] <teprrr> Riddell, hmm, tried to compile crystal clear style/windeco and konversation [12:48] <pitti> Mithrandir: by "broken live CD", did you refer to the missing kernel modules? [12:48] <pitti> Mithrandir: that's what I get with the current DVD [12:48] <Mithrandir> pitti: current live cd fails to log in for me. [12:49] <pitti> ah, right [12:49] <pitti> then the DVDs are differently broke [12:49] <pitti> n [12:55] <teprrr> Riddell-awa, well, hmm, at least nothing kde releated seems to link.. and it's about libXcursor.la always [12:55] <HiddenWolf> seb128, around? [12:55] <teprrr> and someone complained about same thing with libXrender.la, can't remember if (s)he was compiling kde stuff or what, though [12:59] <ogra> pitti, ping re gcompris... [12:59] <pitti> ogra: yes? [01:00] <ogra> pitti, i neither see a dependency on howl nor on svgalib... but i didnt remove it and nobody did do an upload since i wrote the report ... [01:00] <ogra> pitti, are you sure these two deps were there ? [01:01] <pitti> ogra: odd, I can't see them any more [01:01] <ogra> i'm sure they were there.... [01:01] <pitti> ogra: maybe I mixed up the package, nevermind then [01:01] <ogra> how can deps disappear ? [01:02] <Q-FUNK> hi. who maintains the bazar branch of planner/main? [01:02] <ogra> pitti, no, no, you were right, they were in there... thats the strange part ... [01:02] <pitti> ogra: not on the source package at least, but maybe on a binary [01:02] <pitti> ah, now apt-get update works again [01:04] <pitti> ogra: this really stuns me... [01:04] <ogra> yup [01:07] <pitti> ogra: I updated the inclusion queue and the report, approved [01:07] <Riddell-awa> teprrr: then you need to grep libXcursor.la /usr/lib/*la [01:07] <ogra> thanks :) [01:15] <\sh> jesus I'm a touchpad noob [01:33] <highvoltage> \sh: are you praying? [01:34] <teprrr> Riddell-awa, I did it already [01:34] <teprrr> Riddell-awa, looks like current svn kdelibs compiled and linked fine [01:37] <teprrr> Riddell-awa, yup, and other seems to work fine now.. whines about wrong libstdc++ but that's minor problem :p [01:41] <teprrr> Riddell-awa, ouch, crystal clear doesn't link [01:42] <daniels> daniels@ephemera:~/canonical/mesa% dpkg-deb -c libgl1-mesa-dri_6.3.1.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb [01:42] <daniels> [...] [01:42] <daniels> -rw-r--r-- root/root 2547984 2005-08-15 21:34:39 ./usr/lib/modules/dri/r200_dri.so [01:42] <daniels> -rw-r--r-- root/root 2441808 2005-08-15 21:34:39 ./usr/lib/modules/dri/r300_dri.so [01:43] <daniels> [...] [01:43] <daniels> -rw-r--r-- root/root 2440752 2005-08-15 21:34:39 ./usr/lib/modules/dri/unichrome_dri.so [01:43] <Treenaks> unichrome DRI ?! [01:43] <daniels> built from mesa, no less ... [01:43] <mjg59> daniels: Do we have the DRM module? [01:44] <Treenaks> daniels: whoa.. now all we need is unichrome drm :) [01:44] <daniels> mjg59: EFABIO [01:44] <mjg59> Haha [01:44] <fabbione> daniels: ??? [01:49] <daniels> (actually, they'll move to /usr/lib/dri when this debuild finishes, but the point remains) [01:49] <daniels> fabbione: you need to integrate the unichrome DRM module into the kernel. savage and mach64 too. :) [01:50] <fabbione> daniels: haven't seen any patch floating around... :) [01:51] <daniels> fabbione: http://cvs.freedesktop.org/dri/drm/linux-core/ [01:51] <daniels> fabbione: unichrome stuff is on unichrome.sf.net [01:51] <fabbione> daniels: yeah right :))) [01:51] <mjg59> daniels: Have the security isues been sorted? [01:51] <daniels> fabbione: eh, come on man [01:51] <daniels> fabbione: if nothing else, you NEED to get r300 drm in [01:51] <Treenaks> daniels: now if they only finished that siliconmotion driver... :) [01:51] <daniels> Treenaks: ha ha siliconmotion [01:51] <daniels> mjg59: with unichrome? probably not. [01:51] <fabbione> daniels: any reasons why they are not upstream yet? [01:51] <daniels> fabbione: they've only just now been enabled by default in xorg [01:52] <PzyCrow> Sorry if this is OT, but is it safe to have -dev packages from breezy installed on a Hoary system for Gnome development? [01:52] <fabbione> daniels: we will see soon... [01:53] <daniels> so yeah, as of -50 when I disable GL and DRI, the only two things left in xorg are servers and metapackages [01:53] <fabbione> daniels: if you can take over some hoary security stuff, i am sure i can manage to take care of DRM :) [01:53] <daniels> fabbione: ha ha ha [01:54] <daniels> fabbione: i'm too busy patching xpm stuff [01:54] <daniels> but I thought you maintained the kernel :P [01:54] <daniels> well, look [01:54] <daniels> if I can get you a patch, will you integrate it? [01:54] <daniels> (assuming it builds etc) [01:54] <fabbione> daniels: yeah sure... [01:54] <fabbione> a patch is enough... [01:55] <daniels> cool [01:55] <daniels> i'll try to do it later this week [01:55] <ogra> fabbione, are you the one to nag for ndiswrapper module inclusion for amd64 ? [01:55] <fabbione> ogra: and the patch? [01:56] <ogra> fabbione, just add the arch... no extra patching... it works fine since hoary... (i uase it currently) [01:56] <fabbione> ogra: the patch to enable it in the kernel.... [01:57] <mjg59> Hm. What's the gnome-power-manager status? [01:57] <ogra> mjg59, the recent one is in... [01:57] <mjg59> ogra: In main? [01:57] <ogra> mjg59, i left out the pm-scripts package [01:58] <mjg59> Ok, no problem [01:58] <ogra> mjg59, not yet.... hughsie changed the package name and splitted the packae in gnome-power-manage and power-manager :( [01:58] <fabbione> ahah [01:58] <fabbione> ops [01:58] <mjg59> ogra: Can you make sure that gets pushed? [01:58] <mjg59> (Assuming you feel the code is solid enough) [01:59] <ogra> i have one chrasher i want to sort with hughsie before [01:59] <ogra> but i'll prepare the new main inclusion reports today [02:00] <daniels> hm [02:00] <ogra> i also have to look at the GDM_LOGUT stuff and how we get it in there.... hughsie wanted to work with a suid power manager binary in the backend, thats not necessary for us... [02:00] <daniels> so with -50, amd64 at least should spend more time extracting and patching the sources, running make includes/make depend, and make install and stuff like dh_shlibdeps, than it will in make World [02:09] <doko> pitti: did you already had a look at the aspell packages? [02:09] <pitti> no, not yet [02:10] <pitti> but we already have aspell in main, don't we? [02:12] <doko> aspell-*, i.e. aspell-fo [02:13] <pitti> doko: right, but aspell-* are just dictionaries, right? this seems to be utterly trivial [02:17] <pitti> elmo: please sync hpoj [02:17] <Mithrandir> pitti: what's so hard to support wrt pcsc? [02:18] <pitti> Mithrandir: if somebody comes along and says "this thing wrecked my smartcard", but nobody of us has a smartcard reader and this particular card, how should we support this? [02:19] <ogra> doko, what is -fo ? foreign ? [02:19] <pitti> Mithrandir: I mean, if you are willing to do this support, that's fine for me :-) [02:19] <daniels> pitti: just like I do when they say 'xorg fried my random weird video card': laugh at them. [02:19] <pitti> ogra: Faroese [02:19] <ogra> ah [02:19] <daniels> ogra: as in 'foad' [02:19] <Mithrandir> pitti: I have a smart card reader so I could at least test it a bit. [02:19] <fabbione> pitti; that's not much different of what we already do for X and kernel.... [02:19] <pitti> daniels: well, but video cards usually don't store valuable data [02:20] <Mithrandir> pitti: well, I can't test random cards and readers, I just have what I got. [02:20] <pitti> fabbione: as I said, as long as you have fun with remotely debugging other people's hardware, that's fine for me [02:20] <pitti> Hi marcin [02:21] <pitti> marcin: thanks again for the ekg support :-) [02:21] <Mithrandir> pitti: I would very much like to see it in supported and I don't think it's a heavy support-weight. I was more wondering if you had something against it more than "I can't test this". :-) [02:21] <HiddenWolf> Anyone here willing to confirm a bunch of nautilus-cd-burner bugs in Breezy? [02:22] <pitti> Mithrandir: no, that's just my default answer for stuff that nobody wants to support :-) [02:31] <doko> daniels: first I read xlibs-dev, not xlibs-data ... [02:32] <HiddenWolf> seb128, I reported 13480, 81, 82, 84, 85. All are on hoary. I'm going on vacation for a week, while my harddrive is going RMA, so I'll confirm/close them in breezy next week. [02:32] <tepsipakki> doko: you maintain bash/bash-static? [02:33] <daniels> doko: kamion would kill me on my return if I hadn't fixed the 700 packages [02:33] <doko> tepsipakki: it depends on what you want ... [02:33] <tepsipakki> doko: ;) [02:33] <tepsipakki> doko: just a question: why does bash-static install the binary in /bin/? [02:34] <doko> daniels: it would be too late on Kamion's return to find you alive ;-P [02:34] <tepsipakki> shouldn't it install it as /sbin/bash [02:34] <tepsipakki> because that's the definition on /sbin, yes? [02:34] <doko> no s = system [02:34] <BBB> sbin = for super-user binaries (so sysadmin tools etc.) [02:34] <tepsipakki> ("static /bin") [02:35] <tepsipakki> hmm [02:36] <tepsipakki> in other unices it is static bin [02:39] <tepsipakki> but not in linux.. oh well [02:39] <tepsipakki> nevermind, then ;) [02:41] <HrdwrBoB> tepsipakki: in ancient history mostly :) [02:42] <tepsipakki> no, currently [02:42] <tepsipakki> tru64, solaris, aix ... [02:42] <tepsipakki> and we got all of them here [02:43] <tepsipakki> not even RHEL has a statically linked shell ;) [02:43] <ogra> tepsipakki, so /bin/sh is a link to /sbin/something ? [02:43] <ogra> i cant see the benefit of this.... [02:43] <tepsipakki> ogra: no, /sbin/sh is a binary of itself [02:43] <tepsipakki> as is /bin/sh [02:44] <tepsipakki> root has shell=/sbin/sh [02:44] <ogra> aha [02:44] <tepsipakki> try having an emergency first.. as one guy here just had when he f*cked up /etc/ld.so.preload ;) [02:45] <daniels> doko: hah [02:45] <tepsipakki> (that was on RHEL.. he had to use the recovery-cd) [02:48] <HrdwrBoB> tepsipakki: all you need statically linked is sash or as covered a boot CD [02:51] <tepsipakki> hrdwrbob: yes, seems to be installed here already, just that it wasn't clear for me why these weren't in /sbin [03:07] <bddebian> Hello [03:08] <Mithrandir> hmm, "User not known to the underlying authentication module". That might be the reason for the live cd being busted. :-P [03:23] <ogra_> eeek..... [03:23] <ogra_> language-pack-en cannotbe installed ? [03:24] <lu|away> you didn't want english anyway. [03:25] <ogra_> the installer stops at the langpack installation... [03:25] <ogra_> and there seems no way around that... :( [03:28] <pitti> again?? [03:28] <ogra_> yep [03:29] <ogra_> the console says its unauthenticated, offers Yes/No but Yes doesnt do anything [03:29] <pitti> ogra_: ah, mvo's playground then [03:30] <ogra_> AAAARGH ... and base-config doesnt let me out of the endless loop [03:30] <mvo> ogra_: I missed the background, can you please /msg me details? is only the langpack stuff unauthenticated? if so, where does it come from (what repo)? [04:05] <pitti> Hey seb128! [04:05] <pitti> already missed you [04:05] <seb128> hi pitti [04:06] <seb128> I've got 77 bugs mail since saturday [04:06] <seb128> that's quite depressive [04:06] <HrdwrBoB> depressing [04:06] <doko> seb128: don't upgrade gnome too often ;-) [04:06] <HrdwrBoB> unless you're going for have depressing, half impressive :) [04:07] <seb128> HrdwrBoB: thanks but I can make without people trying to make remarks on my english typos today [04:08] <seb128> doko: 70% are upstream wishlist, I'm considering starting to close this one saying upstream know about them [04:08] <seb128> 624 bugs, 164 non marked upstream [04:09] <seb128> cairo has the soname change too with like 200 packages to rebuild [04:09] <seb128> next week has a new GNOME version [04:09] <seb128> all is fine [04:09] <ogra__> *boggle* [04:09] <ogra__> 200 ? [04:10] <doko> seb128: will you rename libcairo1-dev to libcairo2-dev ? [04:11] <seb128> doko: no, libcairo-dev [04:12] <seb128> hum [04:12] <seb128> Debian guy did libcairo2-dev [04:12] <seb128> laybe doing the same [04:12] <seb128> s/laybe/maybe/ [04:13] <doko> seb128: yes, that would be better ... [04:13] <seb128> why using a version on a -dev? [04:14] <doko> see the proposal on d-d ... [04:14] <seb128> I don't read d-d [04:19] <sivang> seb128: hi again, tell me, I see the gnome-games does not have lpint, and did you add it to the applets? [04:19] <seb128> "again"? [04:20] <sivang> seb128: you were offline , no ? [04:20] <seb128> I was on IRC 10min before lunch [04:20] <seb128> my internet dropped and I didn't reconnect [04:20] <sivang> seb128: ah, someone told me there is a holiday in french :) [04:20] <seb128> maybe you spoke to a ghost IRC [04:20] <sivang> seb128: so I was sure you went away for the day [04:20] <sivang> lol [04:25] <mvo> seb128: isn't today a public holiday in france? [04:25] <sivang> seb128: btw, I updated the wiki page with evo , I saw it's also done [04:25] <seb128> mvo: yeah, but got 77 bug mails since saturday, and I decided I need to start cleaning some now [04:25] <seb128> sivang: thanks [04:26] <sivang> seb128: is there anything more I can help with lpint? [04:26] <seb128> sivang: gnome-games is patched here, the issue is that it's setgid games so the lpi stuff doesn't work since it can go to /proc to get the details [04:26] <pitti> oh, nicd [04:26] <seb128> sivang: yeah, the non-patched packages (gnomemeeting, gimp, firefox, ...) [04:27] <sivang> pitti: is this some kind of a new daemon? nicd ?:) [04:27] <pitti> after system tools -> new login I get a dialog "choose server" [04:27] <seb128> pitti: just require a small API addition to specify the package name from the patch instead of using the magic for that [04:27] <pitti> with three times "Standard Server" options [04:27] <seb128> yeah [04:27] <seb128> I've noticed that too [04:27] <seb128> new gdm way to go! [04:28] <pitti> seb128: "<seb128> pitti: just require a small API addition to specify the package name from the patch instead of using the magic for that" -> ECONTEXT [04:28] <sivang> pitti: lpint, I assume :) [04:28] <seb128> pitti: I though the "oh, nicd" was for "gnome-games is patched here, the issue is that it's setgid games" [04:29] <sivang> seb128: all of the programs probably use gmome_init, so there would be no problem specify program name and pas it on to python code for tracking the package [04:29] <pitti> ah, that was a typo for "nice" and referred to that gdm bug [04:30] <seb128> pitti: yeah, I got it "<seb128> new gdm way to go!" :) [04:30] <sivang> seb128: ok, I'll checkout gnome meeting this evening. What about context menu for applets, will this be deferred for breezy+1 ? [04:31] <seb128> it was a part of the spec? [04:31] <seb128> I've not that on my list [04:31] <seb128> feel free to do patches for them [04:32] <sivang> seb128: k, cool, will they get accepted although we're after FF ? [04:32] <seb128> before UI freeze probably but you may want to ask to mdz [04:32] <sivang> seb128: ok, I will, thanks :-) [04:33] <seb128> np, thank you [04:33] <pitti> argh, this is totally broken, it offers me a dialog to choose a server, but then it doesn't find local servers *grumpf* [04:35] <seb128> pitti: you picked the wrong line :p [04:35] <seb128> try an another one [04:36] <pitti> yes, works now, thanks [04:36] <pitti> well, all lines said the same... [04:37] <seb128> pitti: yeah, this bug sucks [04:39] <Keybuk> pitti: <random> is there any particular reason that hal doesn't look in ~/.local/share/hal/fdi ? [04:39] <ogra__> seb128: do you know if a "random" feature is planned for gnome-screensaver ? you can currently select only one or none [04:40] <pitti> Keybuk: whose ~? [04:40] <torkel> ogra__: the CVS version has a random feature [04:40] <seb128> as said [04:40] <Keybuk> pitti: good point [04:40] <seb128> ogra__: we are probably going to delay it for next Ubuntu version [04:40] <torkel> ogra__: and I think you can change the gconf key directly in the current version [04:40] <Keybuk> Mine :) [04:41] <ogra__> seb128: in other news, it works very nice with all the screensaver hacks, i tried them out on the weekend :) [04:41] <seb128> ogra__: we would require a new version for some of this feature, and some glitch to fix, etc [04:41] <ogra__> seb128: shriek.... then i have to finish the lock screen [04:41] <pitti> Keybuk: local storage configuration should rather be done in g-v-m I think [04:41] <seb128> or make the work on gnome-screensaver to use the xscreensaver files [04:41] <seb128> (ie: split it to a -data or something) [04:41] <seb128> I'm too busy to work on that [04:41] <ogra__> seb128: tats trivial... [04:42] <seb128> yeah, but still too busy [04:42] <seb128> CVS version has some new stuff [04:42] <ogra__> seb128: me too... edubuntu is going very slow [04:42] <seb128> using these data without having to copy them to gnome-screensaver [04:42] <seb128> etc [04:42] <seb128> bah, you have to work on of the 2 solutions anyway [04:43] <seb128> s/on/on one/ [04:43] <ogra__> i thought g-s was yours :) [04:43] <seb128> yeah, but it doesn't ship the graphical animations [04:44] <seb128> I'll ping mdz about that, but since feature freeze was some day ago ... [04:44] <ogra__> ok, i'll talk to mdz which path well go now... the missing random feature is a big drawback, we should get it in [04:44] <ogra__> heh [04:45] <seb128> we can update to CVS version [04:46] <seb128> * savers/personal-slideshow.xml: New theme file that loads [04:46] <seb128> images from ~/Pictures. [04:46] <ogra> even after UVF/Feature freeze ? [04:47] <ogra> lets hear mdz first :) [04:47] <seb128> that's why I said it's probably going to be deferred [04:54] <BBB> mako, ping [04:55] <seb128> anybody with quite some uptime on his boxes around? [04:55] <seb128> that's for http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13449 [04:58] <pitti> seb128: I use to switch off my machine at night... [05:01] <seb128> me too [05:02] <tepsipakki> doesn't leak here [05:02] <tepsipakki> firefox does, though ;) [05:03] <tepsipakki> uptime on my laptop is 11 days [05:03] <tepsipakki> actually 12 [05:05] <Keybuk> "In more than one way SuSE feels so much better than Ubuntu, and it's hard to resist all the small details and finishes Novell put into the product." [05:05] <Keybuk> -- http://www.ffnn.nl/pages/reviews/linux/suse-9.3-ftp.php [05:06] <mjg59> It'd be nice if some of them were mentioned [05:07] <davyd> SO THEY CAN BE STOLEN! [05:07] <davyd> FOR KLEPBUNTO LINUX [05:07] <lu|writing> 'here are the criteria we think are most important in assessing a distro' [05:07] <Keybuk> I think he liked YAST [05:07] <davyd> lu|writing: what is a reviewers guide? [05:07] <davyd> "please look at these these, for they are not broken" [05:09] <lu|writing> davyd: 'here is the checklist of features/qualities that we would look at' [05:09] <Keybuk> he's also really comparing it against Kubuntu [05:09] <lu|writing> 'here is how we think we stack up, and perhaps how we think others stack up' [05:09] <lu|writing> 'we'll try to be forthright and include some categories you might think are important which we don't do so well at; here is why we don't do well, or why we think they are unimportant' [05:10] <sivang> seb128: are you aware of the broken evo link from the main panel? (sorry if this is already in bugzilla) [05:12] <seb128> sivang: the panel is an user configuration [05:15] <sivang> seb128: but I didn't touch it, and it's a fresh breezy installation, and when I press the evo link form the main panle (next ot the yelp icon) I get "failed to execute child process evolution-2.2, no such file or directory" [05:17] <seb128> sivang: "daily install"? [05:19] <sivang> seb128: no, upgrade from a very old daily install [05:20] <doko> daniels: unstable does have libxaw8-dev, breezy not. any reason for it? [05:20] <sivang> seb128: it's under VMware, if this matters [05:20] <seb128> no [05:20] <seb128> but the previous daily was bugged [05:21] <seb128> and the upgrade doesn't change the user config set by the bugged version [05:21] <sivang> seb128: I see, I need to try with a fresh daily then [05:21] <Nafallo> doko: what can I do to help out with the aspell mess? [05:21] <Nafallo> :-) [05:27] <doko> Nafallo: instructions are in the aspell changelog.Debian.gz / aspell doc dir. just tell me which package you start with [05:28] <Nafallo> doko: oki [05:33] <mpt> davyd: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22reviewer's%20guide%22%20(site%3Amicrosoft.com%20OR%20site%3Aapple.com) [05:34] <Mitario> lo everyone [05:34] <pitti> Hi Mitario [05:34] <Mitario> cool mouse in X :) [05:35] <lu|writing> mpt: maybe not 110 pages ;) [05:36] <mvo> is it a known bug that resizing a partition with partman gives hardly any feedback (takes long and the progress bar stay on 0% for a very long time)? [05:36] <seb128> what's going on with the colony 3 CD? [05:41] <Keybuk> mdz said something about me needing to fix a hotplug bug which was blocking it [05:42] <seb128> Keybuk: thanks [05:44] <Keybuk> I'm just doing the 4-weeks-of-upgrade on my laptop now [06:02] <madduck> where do gcc maintainers hang out? [06:02] <mvo> wb ogra_ltsp [06:02] <ogra_ltsp> >& [06:02] <pitti> Hi madduck [06:02] <ogra_ltsp> :/ [06:02] <madduck> hi pitti [06:03] <madduck> pitti: i am already bugging him all day. [06:03] <madduck> there have to be others too, no? [06:03] <pitti> madduck: well, he is the Ubuntu gcc maintainer team :-) [06:03] <pitti> madduck: jbailey could also help, probably [06:03] <madduck> oh yeah. [06:04] <madduck> jbailey is not around. :( [06:19] <Treenaks> do I need to file a bug for every key that doesn't work out of the box on my laptop? :) [06:20] <ogra_ltsp> Treenaks, depends how "hot" the key is ;) [06:21] <Treenaks> ogra_ltsp: mute/volumeup/volumedown [06:21] <seb128> no [06:21] <seb128> or not on GNOME packages [06:21] <ogra_ltsp> Treenaks, thats a hotkez i guess [06:22] <Treenaks> ogra_ltsp: this is hoary btw :) [06:22] <ogra_ltsp> oh [06:22] <Treenaks> ogra_ltsp: waiting for a friend who's buying me some CDRWs to test breezy [06:22] <seb128> hoary has no default key value [06:22] <seb128> NOTABUG [06:22] <ogra_ltsp> ok, ignore me then.... i dont have such old stuff around here .... (only warty on a ancient laptop) [06:28] <ogra_ltsp> hmm, update-notifier shouldnt get started for unpriveleged users.... or at least i should get a error message after giving the password.... it asks for password and quits silently [06:47] <ubuntuguy> anyone: ndiswrapper will not modprobe insert. Modprobe reports a fatal error. Does anyone know how to fix this? [06:50] <trygvebw> ubuntuguy: which error? [06:50] <ubuntuguy> its not specific, it simply states fatal error can not insert [06:54] <teprrr> so hmm, Riddell-awa, is those .la files removed completely? or will they be back sometime? [07:00] <ploum> To take screenshot of the breezy installation, I'm looking for a free (a in beer) virtualizer software [07:00] <ploum> Is there anything easily installable in Hoary ? (a 30 days trial of vmware or anything like that would be enough) [07:00] <trygvebw> vmware is easy to install [07:01] <ploum> trygvebw, last time, it was pain [07:01] <ploum> (two years ago) [07:01] <trygvebw> oh [07:01] <trygvebw> but two years is a long time ;) [07:01] <trygvebw> i installed it in ten minutes [07:02] <ploum> http://www.vmware.com/download/workstation.html : this one ? [07:02] <trygvebw> yep [07:02] <ploum> http://www.vmware.com/download/download.do?downloadGroup=WKST-5-LX no luck :-( [07:02] <trygvebw> :( [07:02] <trygvebw> hmm [07:03] <trygvebw> try QEmu then [07:03] <trygvebw> it's not very fast, but it works [07:03] <ploum> at least, I can install it with a simple apt-get :-) [07:03] <trygvebw> yeah :) [07:03] <ploum> is there any GUI like vmware ? [07:04] <Treenaks> qemu? [07:04] <trygvebw> no, but qemu is easy to configure [07:04] <ploum> (I must admit that vmware rocks once installed) [07:04] <trygvebw> yeah [07:04] <teprrr> there's kde frontend for qemu available from kde-apps.org [07:06] <ploum> it's just to take screenshots [07:07] <Treenaks> does vmware support OS/2 Wrap 3 ? :) [07:07] <trygvebw> yes [07:07] <Treenaks> qemu doesn't because of 1 missing "feature" :) [07:08] <trygvebw> :/ [07:08] <trygvebw> i think so at least [07:08] <trygvebw> there is a #vmware btw [07:09] <Treenaks> trygvebw: "segment limits" is the feature [07:09] <trygvebw> oh [07:09] <trygvebw> :/ [07:13] <mdz> morning [07:14] <pitti> Morning mdz [07:14] <seb128> hey mdz [07:14] <Keybuk> morning [07:14] <mvo> good morning mdz [07:15] <seb128> mdz: any estimation for when colony 3 should be ready? [07:16] <mdz> seb128: T(13398 fixed) + N [07:17] <seb128> is that likely to be before wenesday? [07:17] <ogra> depends on N :) [07:17] <seb128> s/wenesday/wednesday/ [07:21] <pitti> Am I the only one whose Ctrl+D doesn't work any more? [07:21] <seb128> pitti: context? [07:21] <seb128> what app? [07:21] <ogra> works here.... [07:21] <pitti> seb128: bash [07:21] <tseng> pitti: wfm [07:21] <seb128> works for me (tm) [07:21] <pitti> i. e. quitting a ssh session, a terminal, etc [07:21] <ogra> even on a fresh edubuntu install [07:21] <pitti> 'grumpf* [07:22] <pitti> thanks for checking [07:22] <Keybuk> pitti: value of $IGNOREEOF ? [07:22] <pitti> Keybuk: not set [07:22] <Keybuk> or set -o | grep ignoreeof [07:22] <pitti> $ set -o |grep ignoreeof [07:22] <pitti> ignoreeof off [07:23] <pitti> Keybuk: I didn't change any config files, I just dist-upgraded this morning [07:23] <Keybuk> no idea then [07:23] <pitti> thanks anyway [07:23] <seb128> pitti: oh, I've not updated today [07:23] <Keybuk> is it saying "TYPE EXIT YOU LAZY FUCK" or just not working? [07:23] <pitti> seb128: -49 waits for you :-) [07:23] <mdz> Keybuk: how did the upgrade go? [07:23] <seb128> pitti: I'm not waiting for b0rkages :) [07:24] <pitti> Keybuk: no reaction at all :-) but that certainly forces me to do the former [07:24] <Keybuk> mdz: actually, it worked; I'm currently being baffled by the fact my initrd.img seems to be a gzip compressed cpio file and not a cramfs filesystem [07:24] <mdz> pitti: stty settings? [07:24] <pitti> $ stty [07:24] <pitti> speed 38400 baud; line = 0; [07:24] <pitti> eof = ^A; eol = M-^?; eol2 = M-^?; [07:24] <pitti> -iexten [07:24] <pitti> mdz: I don't believe that it is anything shell related [07:24] <mdz> Keybuk: not too baffled I hope, given all the discussion around initramfs ;-) [07:24] <mdz> pitti: eof = ^A [07:24] <Keybuk> I missed that discussion [07:24] <pitti> it stopped working on my server today, too [07:24] <Keybuk> do you have a pointer for it? [07:25] <mdz> pitti: stty eof '^D' [07:25] <mdz> Keybuk: wiki.ubuntu.com/EarlyUserspace [07:25] <pitti> mdz: hm, how do I type this? ctrl+v ctrl+D doesn't work [07:26] <Keybuk> ah yes, I just found that 0.1s before you gave me the link [07:26] <mdz> pitti: literally, cut and paste [07:26] <pitti> $ stty '^D' [07:26] <pitti> stty: ungltiges Argument ^D [07:26] <mdz> pitti: cut and paste what I wrote :-) [07:26] <pitti> ah, thanks [07:26] <pitti> yep, that works [07:26] <mdz> I have no idea why it would have changed for you; is this an Ubuntu system? [07:26] <seb128> mdz: is that likely to be before wednesday for colony [07:27] <mdz> seb128: it should be [07:27] <pitti> mdz: yes, upgraded today and broke today [07:27] <ogra> pitti, does it happen in console too ? [07:28] <seb128> mdz: k, because I would like to make the cairo soname change for wednesday, there is a new GNOME version next week and that should be pushed and worked before [07:28] <pitti> ogra: no, it works there (given that the stty command I just typed doesn't apply to it) [07:29] <pitti> anyway, nevermind [07:29] <mvo> mdz: permission for uploadds of update-manager and gnome-app-install? (both are bugfixes only, do I actually need approval for bugfix-only uploads?) [07:29] <pitti> maybe some fancy binary output to my screen changed it somehow [07:29] <ogra> pitti, then i'd blame the X upgrade [07:29] <mdz> mvo: no, no approval needed for bugfixes [07:30] <mvo> mdz: thanks [07:30] <Kronoss> someone knows any file or command with the options of each filesystem type apart of man mount? [07:31] <highvoltage> cat /proc/partitions? [07:31] <Kronoss> in proc partitions are the partitions [07:31] <Kronoss> i want the options (ro, rw, user) specific of each type [07:31] <ogra> /proc/mounts [07:32] <Kronoss> all the possible options [07:32] <ogra> but that doesnt show all [07:32] <Keybuk> mdz: hmm, that didn't help; the spec doesn't actually explain what the difference between initramfs and initrd is and why we'd want the former and not the latter [07:33] <mdz> Keybuk: initramfs is simpler, and doesn't require that cramfs patch that upstream rejected [07:34] <carstenh> /etc/mtab? [07:34] <Kronoss> /etc/mtab have the mounted filesystems [07:35] <carstenh> zsh autocompletion? [07:41] <\sh> grmpf... [07:42] <Nafallo> smurfix: ping [07:42] <smurfix> Nafallo: [07:42] <Keybuk> mdz: ah, I understand. and I'm able to replicate that bug [07:42] <Nafallo> smurfix: is that a japanease sign? anyway, may I message you? [07:43] <smurfix> Nafallo: it's a "pong". Just ask. [07:43] <Keybuk> out of interest, why are we loading network drivers there? Just because we can? [07:43] <mdz> Keybuk: NFS root [07:43] <Keybuk> ah, of course [07:43] <Keybuk> but we don't put l-r-m drivers in ther? [07:43] <smurfix> (as in "ping pong" -- ) [07:43] <mdz> Keybuk: no [07:43] <mpt> cute [07:43] <mdz> NFS root on an encumbered wireless card -> you lose [07:43] <Keybuk> that all makes the nfs root stuff far more elegant though, I guess; no more compiling in the drivers you need [07:44] <mdz> they generally don't support netbooting anyway, I don't think [07:55] <Keybuk> ya know, I think that "can't be mapped reliably" message is unrelated [07:55] <mdz> Keybuk: yeah, I'm not at all sure what it's trying to say with that [07:55] <Keybuk> no, me neither [07:55] <mdz> Keybuk: but the bug is certainly valid [07:55] <Keybuk> I have a working net.rc now anyway [07:56] <mdz> so you feel that it is the correct solution as well? [07:56] <Keybuk> well, it's certainly one solution [07:56] <Kronoss> bye [07:56] <Keybuk> another might be to drop the "mapping hotplug" thing altogether [07:56] <mdz> another option would be to require that the user set a flag in mkinitramfs.conf if they want to use nfs root [07:57] <Keybuk> but not sure how that impacts ordinary networking stuff [07:57] <luigino> hello everyone..... [07:57] <mdz> ordinary networking stuff relies on that to get the interface brought up after the driver is loaded [07:57] <luigino> anyone here can tell me what should mean that :0. in this log message I've got: Aug 15 21:12:08 localhost entrance: Opened PAM session. luigino : :0. ^ [07:57] <Keybuk> yeah, it causes the asynchronous dhcp rather than waiting for it during S40networking [07:58] <mdz> luigino: please see /topic [07:58] <mdz> luigino: try #ubuntu [07:58] <luigino> ok [07:58] <luigino> thx [07:58] <luigino> :) [07:58] <Keybuk> the hotplug networking and ifupdown stuff need to converge really [07:59] <doko> mdz: is http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/anastacia.txt still beeing updated? [08:00] <mdz> [TXT] anastacia.txt 15-Aug-2005 18:50 6.9K [08:00] <pitti> lamont-away: ping [08:02] <doko> Package: lapack3-pic [08:02] <Keybuk> for now, I think a net.rc is the right solution as it'll closer match what we'll get later aiui [08:02] <doko> Depends: lapack3 (= 3.0.20000531a-6ubuntu2), libc6-dev, refblas3-dev | atlas3-base-dev | libblas-3.so [08:02] <ogra> mdz, which seedlist does that script read ? squidguard was dropped days ago from the edubuntu seeds... [08:02] <doko> mdz, so refblas3-dev should take precedence? [08:02] <mdz> ogra: I believe it uses the one at ~cjwatson, which is updated a few times per hour [08:03] <ogra> strange thn [08:03] <ogra> then [08:03] <mdz> germinate is only re-run once per day [08:03] <ogra> i dropped squid and squidguard friday or even earier [08:03] <ogra> earlier.... [08:04] <doko> elmo: last sync request for today: expect-tcl8.3 (5.43.0-3) from incoming [08:04] <mdz> mizar:[...nical/seeds/edubuntu/breezy] baz update [08:04] <mdz> * tree is already up to date [08:04] <mdz> mizar:[...nical/seeds/edubuntu/breezy] grep squidguard * [08:04] <mdz> supported: * squidguard # edubuntu [08:04] <mdz> ogra: ^^^ [08:05] <mdz> Keybuk: what will we get later? [08:05] <ogra> weird... [08:06] <ogra> mdz, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/server this didnt change since friday [08:06] <Keybuk> basically all devices will be cold-plugged if required [08:06] <mdz> ogra: <mdz> supported: * squidguard # edubuntu [08:07] <Keybuk> I haven't kept up recently, I shall have to find out what plans exist that we can exploit for dapper [08:07] <mdz> ogra: also, the entry in anastacia.txt is for the edubuntu-server metapackage, not the Server seed [08:07] <mdz> ogra: the metapackage is only updated when you run the update script and upload a new source package [08:07] <ogra> yep-... [08:08] <mdz> but you need to remove it from supported also [08:08] <ogra> i thought its drawn directly from the seeds :) [08:08] <ogra> thanks [08:12] <ogra> dear baz, please fall back to a installed editor by default if $EDITOR isnt set, kthnxbye [08:16] <Nafallo> doko: I start with aspell-sv [08:17] <Nafallo> doko: I guess buildX is the right thing to do with those? [08:17] <doko> Nafallo: not if you make modifications [08:18] <Nafallo> doko: I do. but those will probably not be synced till after breezy and debian should have had this transition by then I guess? [08:18] <doko> Nafallo: guessing is bad [08:19] <shaya> x-windows-system-dev depends on libxp6-dbg [08:19] <Nafallo> doko: hehe, oki :-) [08:19] <shaya> but acc to aptitude, that package isn't in the archive [08:19] <shaya> I have it installed, but aptitude marks it as obsolete/locally installed [08:19] <Nafallo> doko: seems to be easy changes. want me to take all of them? ;-) [08:19] <mdz> Keybuk: what did the old net.rc do? [08:19] <Keybuk> the old one got moved to the S41hotplug-net startup script [08:20] <Keybuk> it basically went "go! go! go!" to any waiting network plug events [08:20] <Keybuk> (they deliberately wait until after S40networking has started) [08:20] <Keybuk> that was removed a few months ago [08:21] <carstenh> shaya: Candidate: 6.8.2-10 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages [08:21] <carstenh> shaya: but it is not in breezy [08:22] <shaya> correct [08:23] <shaya> I'm talking about 6.8.2-49 [08:34] <mdz> ogra: are you going to upload edubuntu-meta? [08:36] <ogra> mdz, yup, soon (after dinner) [08:47] <ogra> mdz, done [08:56] <mdz> ogra: ARGH [08:56] <ogra> ?? [08:56] <ogra> what did i wrong ? [08:57] <mdz> you need to read the changelog before uploading [08:57] <\sh> and fcked again the wifi card [08:57] <\sh> grmpf...reboot [08:57] <mdz> ogra: it looks like one of the downloads failed [08:57] <ogra> mdz, i did, whats wrong ? [08:58] <ogra> oh, damned [08:58] <ogra> sorry [08:58] <mdz> fortunately there is no minimal metapackage in edubuntu [08:59] <ogra> yep, and it seems to affect only ppc and unsupported arches.... regenerating [09:00] <mdz> there is one in ubuntu, though, and the same thing can happen there [09:01] <mdz> it's just necessary to read over the changes after updating and before uploading, to make sure they are sane [09:01] <mdz> it is mostly automated but things can go wrong [09:01] <mdz> sometimes debootstrap seems to fail to download Packages and still exits successfully [09:03] <ogra> mdz, btw, how evil would it be if i made all the edubuntu config in a metapackae postinst ? i'd prefer that to a -config package [09:03] <mdz> ogra: too evil [09:04] <ogra> it would have the advantage that i could use debconf all over the place... [09:04] <mdz> the metapackages should be pure [09:04] <mdz> it makes no difference to debconf whether it is a metapackage or a real package [09:05] <ogra> true... but its a extra package.... but i was expecting this answer anway :) [09:06] <\sh> grrr [09:07] <ogra> \sh, broke your laptop again ? [09:07] <shaya> is bugzilla messed up? [09:07] <shaya> "readahead" for package names doesn't seem to be working [09:07] <\sh> ogra: the r200 has a switch on the side, where u can enable or disable wifi [09:07] <ogra> heh... yeah, toshiba has this on all leptops [09:08] <\sh> ogra: but..even when it's disabled linux enables the wifi interface [09:08] <\sh> ogra: and then, try iwlist ath0 scanning... [09:08] <\sh> segfault and then ... kernel oops [09:08] <ogra> oh.... [09:09] <\sh> ogra: correct...oh ;) [09:09] <ogra> i have a similar behavior with my ndiswrapper based card here (wlan0 remains even if i unplug the pcmia card) but i dont get a segfault ... you should track that [09:10] <ogra> seems related to your driver patch [09:10] <\sh> ogra: hehe..actually I can't give the advise to buy this laptop for use with linux..actually he/she should be an adventurer [09:10] <ogra> heh... [09:10] <\sh> ogra: no.. [09:10] <mdz> shaya: you were never able to reproduce the unionfs/bash bug, were you? [09:10] <\sh> ogra: the wifi is working with the madwifi drivers..out of the box [09:11] <\sh> when the switch is on...everything works fine [09:11] <ogra> \sh, i thought you had to patch a lot ? [09:11] <\sh> ogra: not for wifi...for bluetooth i have to patch and for hibernate/suspend buttons and for the nic [09:11] <ogra> ah, i thought the wlan too... [09:12] <\sh> ogra: no sound, touchpad and wlan is working and the graphics card as well [09:12] <\sh> but the rest...my oh my [09:13] <\sh> ok...pcmcia is working as well..but my wifi card (zyair b-120) is not recognized... [09:14] <shaya> mdz: I only tried once, and it worked [09:14] <shaya> though it was a loopback nfs server, not a remote one [09:14] <mdz> I'm working around it by mounting tmpfs on /tmp [09:14] <mdz> but it's definitely still three [09:14] <mdz> there [09:14] <ogra> mdz, thats the one with the tcpdump workaround ? i still have it in ediubuntu daily from today [09:15] <mdz> ogra: tcpdump? [09:15] <ogra> yes, running tcpdump -i eth0 solves the nfs timeout probs.... [09:16] <mdz> this is not an NFS timeout problem, but a unionfs problem [09:16] <mdz> http://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/pipermail/unionfs/2005-August/000904.html [09:16] <ogra> yes [09:16] <mdz> no [09:16] <mdz> we are talking about two different problems [09:16] <ogra> oh... [09:16] <mdz> you are talking about the bug where you get "NFS server ... not responding" at boot [09:16] <ogra> yep [09:16] <mdz> and I am talking about the one where bash here documents don't work [09:16] <mdz> I get the NFS timeout issue too sometimes, the first time I try to boot [09:17] <mdz> but the second time is OK [09:17] <mdz> some sort of race in initializing the card I think [09:17] <mdz> have you debugged it? [09:17] <\sh> ok...the sd card reader is not working at all [09:17] <ogra> hmm, mostly i hae tdpdump already running on the second try.... i'll keep an eye on it [09:17] <ogra> have even [09:18] <ogra> nope, i had other issues to workaround and debug today :) a lot... [09:22] <\sh> hmm...and usb devices are not popping up anymore [09:22] <\sh> only on my hp [09:53] <\sh> ok...this laptop is nothing for packaging [09:53] <Treenaks> \sh: why? [09:53] <Nafallo> is it October the third breezy releases? [09:53] <Treenaks> Nafallo: no, it's the first and only breezy release [09:53] <Treenaks> Nafallo: it's the third ubuntu release though [09:53] <\sh> Treenaks: it's getting too hot and is too slow ,-) [09:54] <Nafallo> Treenaks: I was aiming for the date ;-) [09:54] <Treenaks> Nafallo: check the Calendar :) [09:54] <Treenaks> Nafallo: on the wiki [09:54] <Treenaks> I'm still waiting for mine [09:54] <Nafallo> ah, kewl [09:54] <Nafallo> Treenaks: thanx :-) [09:57] <zul> Treenaks: same here [09:59] <sivang> seb128: About gnome-games, why does having setgid on the games breaks lpint stuff ? (I would think that elevated privileges would allow it even more access to /proc then when it's run with the users' privs) [10:00] <seb128> run a game and ls -l /proc [10:00] <ogra> sivang, it doesnt elevate [10:02] <sivang> ogra: sure. It only forks a privileged child to be able to write scores, I will try seb128's experiment :) [10:03] <seb128> no [10:03] <seb128> the binary is setgid [10:06] <jnc> hey.... silly user question here; how do the linux-restricted-modules work now that they are in /lib/linux-restricted/modules/*/*.o ? [10:07] <jnc> i see that linux-restricted-modules-your_kernel_here-arch installs the madwifi *.ko files in /lib/modules/your_kernel_here/* [10:08] <jnc> yet the fglrx, nvidia, and i think the fritz stuff remain as *.o in /lib/linux-restricted-modules/*/*.o [10:08] <jnc> i'm wondering, how does this work to be loaded by the kernel? [10:09] <sivang> seb128: I entered the process "dir" (in /proc) and everything there is owne by root, that what you mean? [10:10] <jnc> i did not see any documentation for this change [10:10] <seb128> sivang: correct [10:11] <sivang> seb128: k, thx [10:12] <seb128> np [10:12] <sivang> seb128: do you know if jamesh has startd working on adding a function that gets package name / program name as an arg ? (I might take a shot at adding it myself) [10:13] <seb128> no [10:13] <sivang> seb128: k [10:13] <seb128> you don't want to patches remaining app, do you? [10:13] <seb128> I've the patch on my list of stuff to do [10:15] <madduck> C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C [10:16] <ogra> C[ ? [10:16] <sivang> seb128: ah ok :) [10:16] <madduck> sorry. GNU screen [10:16] <sivang> seb128: I will go on with the other apps [10:16] <madduck> but it's pretty much how i feel. [10:16] <seb128> thanks [10:17] <sivang> seb128: no prob, I have a feeling it's a bit more complicated to patch those remaing apps so it'll be more fun :) [10:17] <seb128> yeah [10:19] <mantiena> mdz, still online ? [10:21] <sivang> bah, I need to upgrade my chroot first. network is shaky grumpf [10:25] <sivang> seb128: and I gues you're also going to take care of adding the "general" launchpad items under the proposed "Help" menu on the main top panle? (as in the spec diagrem) [10:25] <concept10> Does anyone know who developed the Ubutnu hardware information collecting application? [10:26] <HiddenWolf> concept10: ogra did [10:26] <seb128> sivang: where should those point? [10:27] <ogra> concept10, whats the issue ? [10:27] <concept10> Ahhh... glad you are here [10:27] <concept10> orga, I have a idea that i am trying to pitch [10:28] <concept10> ogra, sorry about that. Anyway, I want to make something like the ubuntu hw collector that is distro neutral [10:29] <ogra> concept10, then you'll have to write it different... hwdb-client relies totally on a patched hal and lashal output [10:29] <ogra> lshal even [10:31] <sivang> seb128: IIRC, this should actually fire up the picker application, and let the user choose the non main app or the app that has not a help menu and fire the browser with the lp page [10:31] <concept10> ogra, so the distro basically has to have the same hal patch of ubuntu? Is this common among distros? [10:31] <ogra> concept10, nope... [10:31] <ogra> concept10, thats what i mean [10:31] <concept10> dammit [10:31] <seb128> sivang: we have no picker app atm [10:31] <ogra> concept10, you have to write it different [10:32] <ogra> concept10, grab the output from lsb-release, dmidecode and /proc as well as the lshal output.... format it in xml and you got the same [10:33] <ogra> but you'll have to write it completely different [10:33] <sivang> seb128: ah,ok sorry for making noise then [10:33] <seb128> np [10:34] <concept10> ogra, im not a full fleged programmer so I will need some help on it, I would just like to see something like the hwdb-client that updates a searchable database for all distros, this would be a great help for the linux community [10:34] <concept10> ogra, but I will attempt to do it. [10:35] <ogra> concept10, you'll have to find a programmer to do it, hwdb is not one of my higher rioritys in this release cycle... [10:36] <concept10> ogra, Thats fine. Thanks for the advice and insight. Where may I grab the source of hwdb-client? [10:36] <mvo> ogra: #13496 -> aptitude/edubuntu bug [10:36] <hunger> How is network magic progressing for breezy? I installed network manager and that does not really do much (nm-applet does not even show an icon or anything). [10:36] <ogra> concept10, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/h/hwdb-client/ [10:37] <ogra> mvo, yay, thanks [10:37] <HiddenWolf> ogra, cheering for bugs? [10:38] <ogra> HiddenWolf, cheering for a clean explanation of the issue that bugs me :) [10:39] <HiddenWolf> Ah, that explains a lot. [10:41] <seb128> HiddenWolf: do you have a bugzilla.gnome account? [10:41] <ogra> mvo, what i dont understand is, why doesnt it happen in ubuntu ... [10:44] <HiddenWolf> seb128, yeah. Sorry about earlier. :) [10:44] <seb128> are we going to have fspot 0.1.0? [10:45] <ogra> seb128, its in universe, so its possible [10:45] <seb128> HiddenWolf: np, but we are really bug flooded for the number of people working on bugs, that would be nice than people who have some clue about bugs search for dups and send upstream bugs upstream [10:46] <HiddenWolf> seb128, I would, but my harddisk was dying and had to go RMA before 5pm. I'm about to go on vacation for a week, and did not want to forget. [10:46] <seb128> you could have noted instead of filling a pile of bugs good to close [10:47] <seb128> anyway no big deal [10:47] <seb128> and another hint: one issue by bug [10:48] <HiddenWolf> seb128, there was one bug that noted more than one thing, and only because these are closely related issues complementing eachother. [10:48] <HiddenWolf> seb128, I appreciate the workload you're under, and I'll take better care next time, but don't take it out on those trying to help. [10:48] <seb128> clearing CDs and doing multi-session are 2 different issues [10:49] <seb128> HiddenWolf: "don't take it out on those trying to help"? what does that mean? [10:49] <HiddenWolf> seb128, never mind [10:49] <seb128> any english speaker to say that differently for me? :) [10:50] <lamont> someone isn't gonna like those version numbers [10:51] <HiddenWolf> seb128, as I said, never mind, I didn't say anything. [10:51] <ajmitch> seb128: how long has f-spot 0.1.0 been out? [10:51] <seb128> HiddenWolf: I appreciate when people are trying to help, just I got ~80 bug mails a day, so I can do without duplicates :) [10:52] <seb128> HiddenWolf: and I'll find somebody to make me said that differently to be sure I've understood it correctly, don't worry :) [10:52] <seb128> ajmitch: today, I'm not an hurry, that was rather a question to know if that's a candidate for an UVF break [10:53] <ajmitch> seb128: it could be, if needed. I'll get it into sid asap [10:53] <HiddenWolf> seb128, Don't bother: my piont was, I get that you're buried under bugs, but I got you the first time, so leave it at that, since I already promised to do better, don't take your frustration out on me. [10:54] <seb128> HiddenWolf: I'm not frustated, I was just trying if you feel like pushing upstream bug upstream rather than here ... no big deal, I'll reply to them if you keep pushing them on ubuntu.bugzilla [10:54] <HiddenWolf> seb128, however, I respect you, and you're always correct. You just make me feel like an idiot, so I'd appreciate it if you'd do it only once. :) [10:55] <HiddenWolf> seb128, gnome.org makes me feel unwelcome, that's why I usually push them in ubuntu. [10:55] <seb128> HiddenWolf: that was not the goal, just wanted to point that we are kind overloaded by bugs, so if people can try to lower that, that's cool :) [10:55] <HiddenWolf> *g* seb128, ask me nicely, tell me where to look, and I might patch a few for you. ;) [10:55] <seb128> HiddenWolf: oh, what's wrong about gnome.org? Anyway you are welcome to push them on ubuntu, just search for duplicate including closed bug when you use a stable version and that's fine :) [10:56] <HiddenWolf> seb128, Whenever i post some bug on gnome.org, someone files a counter-bug to have that feature removed, and a discussion follows. :) [10:56] <seb128> ajmitch: 0.1.0 import photo for mass storage device, which is cool :) [10:57] <ajmitch> seb128: oh then I definitely want it in breezy :) [10:57] <seb128> HiddenWolf: ah ah, yeah, feature request are usually discussed :) [10:57] <HiddenWolf> seb128, but they usually start with "grumble, I didn't expect it and messed up badly, have it removed, now!" Kinda unwelcoming. :) [10:58] <HiddenWolf> seb128, IE: checking pop-mail at startup for evo [10:58] <seb128> evo guys are not a good example [10:58] <seb128> they are unfriendly on bugzilla (when they reply) [10:58] <HiddenWolf> some guy didn't check what he was doing and emptied his server. *chuckle* [11:05] <mpt> HiddenWolf: Wow, that's *exactly* the problem hp talked about [11:06] <mpt> "People just assume that FooBar was designed to eat your email, and humbly ask that you let them turn off this feature they don't like." [11:06] <HiddenWolf> *g* [11:06] <HiddenWolf> I can't feel really sorry for him. If you install something from cvs, just check a changelog. [11:06] <ogra> mpt, bah, just pop up a notification.... [11:07] <mpt> ogra: As in, "FooBar just ate your e-mail. If you didn't want this to happen, you should have ..."? [11:08] <HiddenWolf> for the record, my bug was that it should only be turned on if the user had asked for automatic email checking. [11:08] <ogra> mpt, nah, rather something with progress bar and without close button :) [11:08] <mpt> without a cancel button, you mean [11:08] <ogra> both :) like a splash screen [11:08] <mpt> progress windows shouldn't have close buttons anyway :-) [11:10] <torkel> they should have a pause button instead :-) [11:10] <Nafallo> mako: ping [11:12] <mako> Nafallo: yeah [11:12] <Nafallo> mako: may I message you? :-) [11:13] <mako> Nafallo: yesyes [11:23] <seb128> does somebody wants to make a wiki page for cdrdao to main? [11:23] <seb128> that would be appreciate :p [11:23] <pitti> lamont: ping [11:25] <lamont> pitti: ack [11:26] <seb128> pitti: you don't feel like doing a cdrdao wiki page by any chance? :) [11:26] <pitti> seb128: hrmkay... [11:26] <seb128> thanks!! [11:27] <pitti> seb128: would tomorrow morning be enough? [11:27] <seb128> pitti: the rational is https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13168 [11:27] <seb128> pitti: any time you want, there is no hurry [11:27] <pitti> yep, we talked about the rationale, that's fine [11:27] <seb128> cool [11:27] <pitti> although some day some clever person should come along and write an universal libburn [11:28] <seb128> that's the plan [11:28] <pitti> and get rid of all those cli clients [11:28] <seb128> coaster guys were/are working on that, but that doesn't come fast [11:28] <pitti> oh, if it happens eventually, that's fine [11:28] <pitti> "Husch husch wird Pfusch", as a German saying tells... :-) [11:28] <ogra> heh [11:30] <seb128> pitti: apt-cache show libburn-1 [11:31] <pitti> yay [11:31] <seb128> pitti: that's the one that coaster use [11:31] <pitti> and it actually works already? [11:31] <seb128> coaster kind of work, so I guess it does basic stuff yeah [11:31] <ogra> yup... coaster can burn data cds fine [11:31] <seb128> but it probably still needs some love before beeing pushed [11:32] <ogra> i never tried audio but heard it should work too [11:32] <ogra> pitti, ask mxpxpod, he's one of the upstreams [11:32] <shackan> cool, rhythbox can't stay up more than two ours without crashing.. [11:32] <shackan> *hours [11:33] <seb128> what version? [11:33] <seb128> backtraces are welcome for crashes :) [11:33] <shackan> well, it eats 100% and I have to kill it, so no backtraces and no core dumps sorry [11:33] <seb128> what version? [11:34] <shackan> 0.8.99 [11:34] <seb128> you know that you can get a backtrace of something eating CPU? [11:34] <seb128> upstream to current gst packages and rb 0.9 to start [11:34] <seb128> and gdb -p `pidof rhythmbox` when it hangs [11:34] <shackan> I guessed it could be done, but I'm too busy now to figure out how [11:34] <seb128> thread apply all bt [11:34] <seb128> k [11:34] <shackan> cool [11:34] <seb128> so no wonder if it's not fixed [11:34] <seb128> bugs are not magically fixed [11:35] <shackan> eh, I know [11:35] <shackan> mine wasn't a critique, just a comment :) [11:37] <seb128> yeah, but I would like to get that fixed [11:37] <seb128> that's likely to happen to other people too [11:38] <seb128> that's why if you can put a backtrace to bugzilla with the some details ... :) [11:40] <shackan> uh, with 0.9 it doesn't play -anything-, nor songs neither streams (which were causing me problems before), but I used it just this morning and was (almost) fine.. [11:40] <shackan> sigh, I'll have to code in silence tonight :) [11:40] <shackan> it needs investigation though.. [11:41] <seb128> does running gst-register-0.8 make any difference? [11:42] <seb128> what audiosink do you use? [11:51] <mvo> elmo: do you know what happend to my gnome-app-install upload from today? [11:51] <elmo> Rejected: no signature found in gnome-app-install_0+20050815_source.changes. [11:51] <pitti> Hi elmo [11:52] <elmo> hi pitti [11:53] <pitti> elmo: can you please sync hpoj? [11:54] <elmo> pitti: done [11:54] <pitti> thankxxx [11:56] <mvo> elmo: args, thanks

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:37.771707

2005-08-20-#launchpad

[12:05] <seadog_> hi [12:33] <mpt> hello seadog_ [12:36] <seadog_> I am looking for a rosetta admin, anyone online? [12:37] <stub> Does anyone know the status of the Python CVS import into the bazaar archives? [01:01] <spiv> stub: It bombs out with "Parser error: Unable to find filename -- parser in bad state?" at the moment. [01:01] <spiv> Fairly early in the process, too. [01:01] <spiv> Yeah, it dies in under 10 minutes. [01:03] <stub> I'm more interested if it is being worked on and it it looks like it will be available in days, weeks or months. cvs2svn work fine on the tree, which makes Bazaar 1+2 look pretty sick in comparison since people can't even open the door ;) [01:05] <spiv> stub: That I can't answer :) [01:06] <spiv> ddaa should know, but he's got a holiday today. [01:06] <ddaa> spiv: technically, I'm _always_ on holiday when it's 1am [01:06] <mpt> seadog_: Neither of them are available at the moment [01:07] <ddaa> Python CVS. [01:07] <ddaa> rlog parsing confusion [01:07] <ddaa> bad, bad [01:07] <spiv> ddaa: Oh, hello. [01:07] <seadog_> mpt, ok thnx [01:07] <spiv> ddaa: You shouldn't be here then :P [01:07] <spiv> ddaa: Have a good weekend? [01:07] <mpt> seadog_: Try again in about 12~16 hours [01:07] <ddaa> Not enough time to work on my things [01:08] <ddaa> But otherwise, pretty good. [01:08] <seadog_> mpt, ok [01:08] <ddaa> spiv: I'm suddenly under a lot of pressure to fix cscvs problems, and my pipe is not exactly clear without that [01:09] <ddaa> I'd like to do everything people are asking me, but something has to give, I already prioritized some time for the twisted import problem before finishing my current task (url support in importd) [01:10] <ddaa> because lifeless said it would be easy, I do not think I can afford to to stick the python import problem there too [01:11] <spiv> ddaa: Yeah, I can completely understand. [01:11] <spiv> ddaa: I guess the answer to this is "no", but is there anything that would make your life easier at this point other than cloning you or lifeless? [01:12] <ddaa> well, for one thing, talk sabdfl into the idea I already have enough work for _not_ doing launchpad development as well [01:13] <ddaa> at least not until the current issues are fixed or we get more workforce on importd things [01:14] <ddaa> I'd like to do more launchpad, but there's just does not seem to be time. [01:14] <spiv> Yeah. You do need to sleep occasionally after all :) [01:15] <ddaa> TBH I was quite burnt up after the imports death sprint. [01:15] <ddaa> I certainly used to be more productive than I am now. [01:16] <ddaa> I think we could really use one more pair of hands on cscvs and importd [01:16] <ddaa> spiv: you are the best candidate for that, if you have some time. [01:17] <ddaa> as you are close to buildbot guys and have been a consistent cscvs reviewer [01:17] <ddaa> spiv: how would you feel about that? [01:17] <spiv> That's a good point. [01:18] <spiv> In principle, I'd be happy to work on it. [01:18] <spiv> I need to sit down and figure out exactly what tasks I need to do for the next little while, because I think I may be close to over-committed already. [01:18] <spiv> But assuming I had the time, I think I'd enjoy working on that. [01:19] <ddaa> That would cool. I'd get to work more on some other things (like launchpad), I'd be happy to get out of my ghetto, and sabdfl would be happy to see me work on the branches stuff. [01:20] <ddaa> And I'd get to review your code for a change :P [01:20] <spiv> :) [01:43] <spiv> lifeless: You may find this interesting: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2005-August/055399.html [02:07] <UbuWu> hello, I need help filing a bug [02:07] <UbuWu> I want to file a bug on soundconverter in malone, but it says its package name is an invalid value [02:10] <spiv> Hmm, yeah that package seems to be missing for some reason. [02:11] <UbuWu> It is quite new, maybe that's the problem...? [02:11] <spiv> Yeah, probably. [02:11] <spiv> I'm not sure what the exact process is. [02:12] <UbuWu> is there any other way to report the bug then? [02:15] <bob2> you could try emailing whoever touched it last [02:15] <bob2> you can find them by reading changelog.Debian.gz [02:16] <UbuWu> ok, I will try that, thanks [02:32] <stub> What was the deadline set for Launchpad development using baz-ng? Was it end of August? Or am I getting confused with something else? [02:32] <spiv> stub: That's something else. [02:32] <spiv> stub: It was by UBZ, iirc. [02:32] <spiv> stub: By the end of August lifeless will be working on baz-ng more-or-less full time, I think was what you're confusing? [02:33] <stub> probably [02:42] <mpt> "RocketFuel to bzr" is right after UBZ [02:42] <mpt> er, no [02:42] <mpt> right after Breezy release [02:42] <mpt> late October [02:42] <spiv> It has to be before UBZ, because of the pie contest :) [02:42] <mpt> right [08:22] <sivang> HI all [08:22] <sivang> s/HI/Hi/ [08:33] <jamesh> hi sivang [08:33] <jamesh> you wanted to talk about the lpint-bonobo stuff? [09:02] <sivang> jamesh: yeah, what point did you guys reach? I saw the wiki was updated with only gedit, and evo is still pending. What about the applest? [09:03] <sivang> jamesh: (I didn't see the applets there, plus I gnome-games seem not to contain the helper items - is this still due to the setgid problem?) [09:04] <jamesh> sivang: I integrated your lpint-bonobo library into the main launchpad-integration package [09:04] <jamesh> sivang: few small changes: s/bonnobo/bonobo/, and performing the translatation explicitly since we want it to occur in the launchpad-integration translation domain instead of the app's translation domain [09:06] <jamesh> I'm not sure what the issue is with the gnome-games stuff [09:07] <jamesh> they are setgid, but they fork on startup and drop privs [09:07] <jamesh> so there is a privileged child process that writes to the score file [09:08] <jamesh> the main app wouldn't have any privs to pass on to launchpad-integration helper [11:02] <sivang> morning mpt [11:24] <spiv> stub: You broke pqm? [11:24] <stub> eh? [11:25] <stub> heh... [11:27] <Keybuk> isn't "broken" a ground-state for pqm? [11:29] <spiv> Keybuk: That's why we feed it rocketfuel. [11:29] <stub> pqm seems pretty solid - it is just more patient at waiting for tests to complete than we are ;) [11:38] <wdh> hi ppls.. When translating from English to Dutch, i see that a translation for both the singualr form ant the plural should be translated. How would i do that in launchpad? [11:38] <wdh> hmmmz.. i should learn typing all over again :P [12:04] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Drop Processor.owner and ProcessorFamily.owner columns (patch-2254: stuart.bishop@canonical.com) [12:05] <jamesh> wdh: if the application has been written to allow you to translate both singular and plural forms for a string, then Rosetta will let you [12:05] <jamesh> wdh: if you see a case where you should be able to but can't, it would probably require an application modification to fix [12:12] <wdh> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1267 << here is a screenshot of the situation.. [12:12] <wdh> not sure how i would fix this though [12:13] <wdh> uhm.. i seem to be blind :S [12:14] <spiv> Hmm. Perhaps if the input boxes were labelled "Dutch singular" and "Dutch plural" rather than "Dutch" and "", it would help. [12:15] <spiv> I guess it's not a big issue. [12:16] <jamesh> spiv: would probably help, but in some languages it won't just be two boxes [12:16] <jamesh> some languages have more than 2 plural forms [12:19] <jamesh> the expression for russian is: n%10==1 && n%100!=11 ? 0 : n%10>=2 && n%10<=4 && (n%100<10 || n%100>=20) ? 1 : 2 [12:19] <jamesh> 3 forms [12:27] <Keybuk> is that the same for Polish? [12:27] <Keybuk> or is Polish even more insane? [12:28] <Keybuk> google say Polish has 5 forms (1; 2,3,4; 5-12; 22-24; 25-31; etc.) [12:28] <jamesh> in the sample data, Polish uses: n==1 ? 0 : n%10>=2 && n%10<=4 && (n%100<10 || n%100>=20) ? 1 : 2 [12:28] <jamesh> 3 forms [12:28] <jamesh> Welsh has 4 forms: n==1 ? 0 : n==2 ? 1 : (n != 8 || n != 11) ? 2 : 3 [12:28] <jamesh> although I think Telsa said that it really has more forms than that [12:28] <Keybuk> yeah, it has different forms for both masculine and feminine [12:29] <Keybuk> and some words undergo mutation when plural [12:30] <Keybuk> or, even better, the next word undergoes mutation when the previous one is plural [12:31] <jamesh> that sort of thing can be handled by ngettext though, right? [12:32] <Keybuk> yeah, just requires either (a) care or (b) ignoring the whole thing ;) [12:34] <jamesh> I think she said that to get it exactly right, you'd need to pick an appropriate plural form rule to match the actual ngettext uses in the application ... [12:40] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Update database diagrams (patch-2255: stuart.bishop@canonical.com) [12:41] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/dists--devel--0: [trivial] LinkChecker 3.2 (patch-105: stuart.bishop@canonical.com) [01:24] <sabdfl> spiv lost his spots? [02:05] <cprov> morning guys [02:06] <niemeyer> Morning cprov! [02:10] <cprov> niemeyer: hi niemeyer, how is it going ? [02:11] <niemeyer> cprov: Everything is fine! [02:12] <niemeyer> cprov: Working hard on some projects here.. doesn't even look like I'll be moving soon :) [02:14] <cprov> niemeyer: what are you doing ? [02:14] <niemeyer> cprov: Working on the Conectiva Linux -> Mandriva Linux migration system [02:16] <cprov> niemeyer: uhm, I see ... [02:24] <sivang> niemeyer: wee , sounds like lots of fun :) [02:25] <niemeyer> sivang: It is indeed :)) [02:25] <sivang> what will be discussed at the upcoming developers meeting? [02:26] <sivang> niemeyer: you a mandrake/ connectiva maintainer ? [02:26] <niemeyer> sivang: Right now, yes [02:27] <sivang> niemeyer: and also a launchpad deveoper? [02:27] <niemeyer> sivang: Right now, no :)) [02:27] <niemeyer> sivang: But in a couple of weeks these answers should reverse ;) [02:43] <sivang> niemeyer: heheh. What will you be working on in launchpad? (if it's ok to ask) [02:44] <niemeyer> sivang: It's certainly ok.. I'll be joining Scott [03:17] <mpt> jordi: ping [03:49] <Keybuk> niemeyer: about? [03:50] <niemeyer> Keybuk: Greetings! [03:50] <Keybuk> niemeyer: you wrote the docs for the X-Chat Python plugin, right? [03:50] <niemeyer> Keybuk: Yep [03:50] <niemeyer> Keybuk: (and the plugin itself :) [03:51] <Keybuk> don't suppose you have any idea why X-Chat still beeps if you steal a "Channel Msg Hilight" event and return EAT_ALL ? [03:51] <niemeyer> Keybuk: No idea really.. looks like a bug [03:52] <Keybuk> yeah, I think it always beeps regardless :-/ [03:54] <niemeyer> You could disable the beep for all highlighted messages, but I suppose you want to do that selectively. [03:55] <Keybuk> yeah, I was trying to disable it on a per-channel basis [03:55] <niemeyer> Keybuk: What you could do is disable for all of them, and make the plugin beep for you [03:56] <niemeyer> I do that, but instead of beeping I raise a knotify window with the message. [03:56] <Keybuk> there isn't a xchat.beep() thing though, is there? [03:56] <niemeyer> Nope.. I don't think os [03:56] <niemeyer> so [03:57] <niemeyer> But, IIRC, there's a control sequence for beeping [03:57] <Keybuk> yeah; [03:57] <Keybuk> hmm, it doesn't stop the channel tab turning blue either [05:16] <ondrej> hi guys, could somebody look at https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1774 and try to prevent this kind of emails to me? Bug was assigned to Ubuntu GNOME team, but sent to /me, since I am Debian MTN of this package... [05:17] <kiko> ondrej, let me check that out. [05:18] <kiko> BjornT, ping? [05:18] <kiko> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1774/activity [05:19] <robitaille> ondrej: sorry about the spam (I did that assignment earlier) [05:23] <ondrej> no problem, but it's second time I got info about universe bug in Ubuntu... and while I don't have problem with closing invalid bugs, I can easily imaging horde of upset DD :-) [05:25] <robitaille> kiko: who closed it? These 2 packages are in universe, not main [05:26] <robitaille> thus should be filled in Malone [05:28] <kiko> robitaille, I'm not sure because the activity log isn't displaying that (it should). however, more importantly, we need to fix up subscriptions RSN to avoid this problem. [05:33] <BjornT> kiko: pong [05:37] <kiko> BjornT, do we know who changed what in the activity log? if so, could we add that information to the page? (look at the link I pasted above) [05:39] <BjornT> kiko: yes, we know who changed it, so we could easily add another column to display it. [05:40] <kiko-fud> BjornT, killer -- if you're too busy to do that, I can [05:43] <BjornT> kiko-fud: well, i'm not working today, so i won't do it today. if you could do it, it'd be great. [05:44] <kiko-fud> okay [05:45] <kiko-fud> is the production update for tomorrow all set? [05:46] <kiko-fud> fud [06:01] <jordi> mpt: pong [06:58] <mpt> jordi: You're the ideal person to answer Clytie Siddall's question on rosetta-users, afaict [07:05] <jordi> mpt: yep, I was going to do that later todaty [07:35] <ondrej> hi, I need to override permissions in Launchpad for Ubuntu Czech Translators, previous admin is on vacation and I need to start synchronizing people to do translations for Breezy [07:35] <ondrej> I am Ubuntu Contact for Czech LoCo team... [07:36] <ondrej> also there is error in IP address database... it started detecting that I am from South Africa, but I am from Czech Republic... [07:38] <mpt> ondrej: Rosetta is detecting that everyone is in South Africa at the moment, that's a bug https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1732 [07:38] <ondrej> ok, thanks for info :-) [07:38] <mpt> ondrej: As for the Czech permissions, perhaps jordi can help you with that [07:38] <mpt> jordi? :-) [07:40] <kiko> mpt, that bug is related to GeoIP -- see stub for details [07:41] <mpt> kiko: I know, that's what the bug report says [07:41] <mpt> Or at least, that's what the bug it's a duplicate of says :-) [07:41] <kiko> aha [07:41] <ondrej> btw, how are translation handled in rosetta related to upstream? Are updated translations propagated upstream? [07:43] <mpt> ondrej: Upstream can download Rosetta translations any time they like. We don't spam them with "hey, we've got translations for you" messages they didn't ask for. [07:44] <ondrej> ok, that answers my question... So responsible teams should approach upstream and offer them translations in polite way :-) [07:47] <mpt> yes [07:47] <mpt> jordi can help you with that, too :-) [07:47] <mpt> that's his job [07:52] <jordi> ondrej: hey! [07:52] <jordi> ondrej: I'll fix your team thing in a minute. [07:53] <jordi> ondrej: re> teams, yes; right now it's upstream who may or may not pick up translations from rosetta. In some cases, Rosetta is their official vehicle for l10n so you can trust that's what will happen. [07:53] <jordi> In other cases, there's specific policy, like for example modules "owned" by the traditional "Translation Project". [07:53] <ondrej> well, I guess that's not case for coreutils :-) [07:54] <jordi> ondrej: that's something that will be improved in the future, with the creation of specific "Czech TP team" in rosetta, etc. [07:55] <jordi> right now there's ubuntu translators and gnome translators. GNOME translators can map to the GTP people, if some language decides they want to translate gnome using rosetta. [07:57] <jordi> ondrej: re Czech team, you're requesting that you are promoted to Admin for a while? [07:57] <ondrej> so, if I translate GNOME stuff in rosette will it updated in upstream or do I have to do it manually? [07:58] <jordi> ondrej: manually [07:58] <ondrej> jordi: well, I would say to promote me permanently... I will talk to MadRabitt afterwards... [07:59] <kiko> ondrej, the plan is to offer updates, and eventually offer a baz branch where you can merge from [07:59] <jordi> ondrej: the Czech GNOME team could get pissed if some random .cz guy started tampering on their translations. [07:59] <jordi> ondrej: gnome products are owned by the GNOME translation teams. In the future, arch branches could be arranged for those teams who want to officially merge from rosetta [07:59] <jordi> hi kiko [08:00] <jordi> damn, I can't edit ondrej [08:00] <jordi> I can't promote him, I think. [08:00] <jordi> kiko, do you think I should be able? [08:00] <kiko> what sort of promotion are you looking to do, jordi? [08:01] <jordi> ondrej is an approved member of "ubuntu-l10n-cs" [08:01] <jordi> I want to make him admin of the team [08:01] <jordi> I can't add members to that team either. [08:01] <ondrej> jordi: I am in contact with current admin and I was also asked by him, wheter I want to coordinate translations... [08:01] <jordi> nod [08:02] <ondrej> jordi: so there should not be problem by pissing anyone :-) [08:02] <jordi> ondrej: in your case I trust you more than enough to do this without much checking with madrabbit [08:02] <jordi> :) [08:02] <jordi> kiko: should I file a bug? [08:04] <kiko> jordi, hmmm. well, what you're asking for is permission to change membership status in a team which isn't yours [08:04] <kiko> the easy way out is to become a launchpad admin (like a superuser) but I think that's crack [08:05] <kiko> should any rosetta expert be allowed to manipulate this sort of membership? [08:06] <jordi> kiko: I think it's part of my tasks to promote people like this. [08:06] <jordi> Who should do it instead? Carlos? [08:06] <jordi> I think it's in my duties. I'm happy if it isnt' though ;) [08:07] <kiko> heh [08:07] <ondrej> :-) [08:07] <kiko> I'm not saying I disagree [08:07] <kiko> but I would rather we didn't add an "if user.login == jordi:" fragment in the team membership permissions checking code :-P [08:08] <jordi> kiko: I'm a rosetta expert [08:08] <kiko> right [08:08] <jordi> should be part of the perms thing for experts, not just for jordi [08:08] <kiko> which brought me to my question [08:08] <kiko> should any rosetta expert be allowed to manipulate this sort of membership? [08:08] <kiko> which you didn't answer :-P [08:09] <jordi> I think they should, yes. but I don't know how many rosetta experts will be appointed, and how easily. [08:10] <jordi> I'll file a bug just to have this request BLOCKED by something in malone. [08:11] <ondrej> or maybe you can create another type of role? [08:12] <ondrej> jordi: did you change anything on my account? I can't access it at all now... [08:12] <jordi> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1776 [08:12] <jordi> ondrej: no, I didn't. [08:13] <jordi> when was the last time you accessed your account details? [08:13] <jordi> have you "merged accounts" lately? [08:13] <ondrej> dunno, two weeks? yes, I merged my original debian account with new ubuntite account [08:14] <ondrej> https://launchpad.net/people/ondrej-sury [08:14] <ondrej> gives me "Sorry, a system error occurred" [08:14] <jordi> ondrej: mine too :) [08:15] <jordi> ondrej: I bet this is the "two wiki names" bugs in Launchpad. It's pending a production update to be fixed. [08:15] <jordi> kiko: do you know when salgado's fix will hit production? [08:15] <kiko> hmmm [08:15] <ondrej> :-) seems like I found two bugs in launchpad today... [08:15] <kiko> salgado, when was the merge-bug fixed? [08:17] <jordi> ondrej: nope, the second one doesn't count ;) [08:17] <jordi> I've been affected for over a week now :) [08:18] <ondrej> :) [08:20] <ondrej> robitaille: btw, sorry for rejecting that bug, I didn't realized that gnome-desktop-environment is in universe... [08:25] <ondrej> maybe I have second bug? when you are viewing translation and change viewing preferences (from all to untranslated) it keeps current offset even if the offset is out of bounds... [08:28] <jordi> ondrej: hmm, that one is a bug. Want to file a bug? [08:28] <ondrej> no, but willdo... [08:29] <jordi> you don't want to file it? [08:29] <jordi> if you don't, I can :) [08:29] <ondrej> ok, you do it :-) [08:32] <ondrej> and another one: if I choose any language in Alt: selector and "untranslated" it gives me "Sorry, a system error occurred" [08:32] <ondrej> all other statuses (all/need review/translated) works fine... [08:33] <ondrej> any language means (Slovak, French, Dutch), tried English, but that worked [08:33] <jordi> where do you seet his? [08:34] <ondrej> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/gdm/+pots/gdm/cs/+translate [08:35] <ondrej> Czech+untranslated also works fine [08:36] <ondrej> maybe this bug is triggered only when Alternate Language has something to offer? [08:36] <ondrej> because "Georgian" is ok, but "German" triggers bug [08:38] <jordi> hmm [08:38] <jordi> ok [08:38] <jordi> I see no alternate language. [08:40] <ondrej> that's strange, I have full <select> list of alternate languages [08:43] <ondrej> btw, it seems that breezy translations list is very confusing, f.e. glib2.0 has 9 template names review-breezy-glib2.0-{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8} and glib20 [08:45] <kiko> yet another bug filed against a missing product [08:51] <jordi> mpt: hmm, Clytie asks about Ubuntu stuff I'm not sure I'm in position to answer [08:52] <jordi> I don't know some details of the Ubuntu packaging proceses [08:52] <ondrej> just quick offtopic question... what is the channel for Community Council Meetings? [08:52] <jordi> kiko? [08:57] <kiko> yes? [08:57] <mpt> ondrej: Why is it that you need admin permissions for the team? [08:57] <mpt> What is it that you need to do that you can't do now? [08:58] <ondrej> mpt: well because existing administrator asked me to take over coordination? and second reason is that I need to confirm OldaChroust as member. [08:58] <jordi> mpt: approving members [08:58] <mpt> ok, I know how to solve this [09:00] <mpt> ondrej: Why can't the existing administrator make you an administrator? [09:00] <ondrej> well, he is on vacation now... [09:01] <ondrej> but if this is problem, it can wait... [09:01] <mpt> jordi: Do you have permission to change the translation team for a language in Ubuntu? [09:05] <jordi> mpt: I haven't tried. Let's see. [09:05] <jordi> mpt: what do you suggest? [09:06] <mpt> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1776/ [09:08] <ondrej> mpt: I don't think it's neccessary to this kind of sorcery now... I will wait until current administrator returns from vacation... [09:09] <jordi> ondrej: or wait for Carlos tomorrow. [09:09] <jordi> he can do it. [09:09] <ondrej> ok, it's not THAT important to create such magick :-) [09:10] <jordi> mpt: wow, that really sounds like a great hack [09:13] <ondrej> BTW thanks all for great work on launchpad, it's really useful tool :-D [09:13] <mpt> glad you like it [09:15] <jordi> kiko: besides mailing carlos about me being away for some days, who else should I mail? launchpad@? allhands? [09:17] <kiko> allhands is fine if carlos has given you an okay; be sure to say this doesn't affect your total worked hours [09:18] <jordi> nod [09:28] <ondrej> ok ladies and guys, time to sleep... have a nice rest of day whatever timezone you are in :-) [09:28] <jordi> nite ondrej [09:33] <cprov> see you later [09:33] <Nafallo> kiko: ping [09:33] <kiko> Nafallo! [09:34] <Nafallo> kiko: :-). you know if we will see who does what string in rosetta? [09:34] <Nafallo> kiko: would help for managing the translationteams. [09:34] <kiko> Nafallo, for suggested strings, the person is listed. are you talking about approved strings? [09:35] <Nafallo> kiko: ah, it is? then it's just the bug with multiple lines then ;-) [09:35] <Nafallo> kiko: thanx :-) [09:36] <kiko> yes, that's a known bug IIRC [09:36] <Nafallo> kiko: my gf reported it ;-) [09:44] <sivang> jordi: hey , 'sup ? [09:46] <mpt> kiko: It's deliberate [09:46] <kiko> mpt? [09:46] <mpt> condition="not:messageSet/isMultiline" [09:47] <kiko> why? [09:48] <mpt> because multi-line items take up lots of space on the page [09:48] <mpt> and if you have 3~4 suggestions per item, it gets very long indeed [09:49] <mpt> So what I'm trying to do at the moment (baz permitting) is put them in expanders like the "Add a comment" section [09:50] <kiko> aha [10:07] <jblack> lifeless: You're not still on vacation, are you? [10:25] <kiko> where's carlos? [10:29] <lifeless> jblack: I sure am, till the end of the week [10:30] <jblack> Ahh. Ok. Have fun then. [10:33] <lifeless> ;0 [11:43] <mpt> kiko: Your review of https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/SimplifyingMalone would be welcome [11:52] <mpt> Unable to connect to stuart.bishop@canonical.com. [11:53] <kiko> odd

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:37.784895

2005-08-20-#kubuntu

[12:02] <apokryphos> Riddell: rubberband-type selecting is really nice. From suse patches? Was wondering if the "smooth scrolling" they have will be in Breezy too.. it's nice. [12:03] <Riddell> apokryphos: what scrolls smoothly? [12:03] <Riddell> apokryphos: may have to turn off rubber band, it has problems for some people [12:03] <apokryphos> Riddell: you know, the type of "smooth scrolling" in all apps [12:03] <apokryphos> Riddell: I noticed it's buggy when selecting larger areas... [12:04] <Riddell> apokryphos: never noticed any smooth scrolling [12:04] <apokryphos> I think there were comments that that was gonna happen for 3.5 anyhow (smooth scrolling), but I'm not sure. Only place I've seen it properly is in Kopete svn [12:05] <apokryphos> ...just instead of rigid/fixed type scrolling [12:06] <apokryphos> Riddell: was wondering more if musicbrainz is actually broken. Some here have complained and for me it doesn't work anymore with juk nor amarok... [12:06] <Riddell> yes, kopete has it [12:06] <september> how do you disable public away in Konversation? [12:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: even gimp has smooth scrolling now :P [12:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: and it really really helps when doing pixel-perfect stuff [12:09] <apokryphos> nikkia: we're getting left behind :P [12:10] <apokryphos> nikkia: hm, are there newer versions out? Doesn't seem to be the case with 2.2.8 [12:11] <apokryphos> though I don't know how it would help with pixel-perfect stuff :P. I think it looks cool/provides a better feel [12:13] <sharon> hi folks [12:14] <sharon> irish ubuntu user here [12:14] <nikkia> apokryphos: 2.3 developer preview, really major changes [12:14] <apokryphos> ah; sounds nice [12:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: as i think i've mentioned to you before, they've ditched the script-fu menu from image windows, for standard plugins [12:15] <apokryphos> yeah [12:15] <apokryphos> hi sharon :). Across the pond here -- England. [12:15] <nikkia> its pretty stable for a DP, there's only one thing i've found that caused it to crash [12:16] <apokryphos> nikkia: I might check it out; got a few spare hours tonight... thought I was working, turned out I wasn't. [12:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: just don't try to use the align layers tool, yet :/ [12:16] <apokryphos> nikkia: quite unstable here anyhow -- breezy on this computer finally. It's qiute pacey (really), but still bugs flying about [12:16] <nikkia> altho i haven't checked if there is a new 2.3 build recently [12:17] <nikkia> its a bit of a shame too, being able to align layers is one of the things thats been missing for ages :) [12:18] <apokryphos> nikkia: my skills extend to playing around with wallpapers, making things for site, or making myself look cool with a lightsaber :P [12:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: i use gimp a lot for my job [12:18] <apokryphos> yah [12:18] <nikkia> and are slowly becoming more proficient at doing my own art work :P [12:18] <apokryphos> nikkia: be afraid! http://www.youmortals.com/gallery/download.php?attachid=4166&id=1720 [12:19] <nikkia> heh, so that's what you look like? [12:19] <apokryphos> nikkia: there's just so much in Gimp that I haven't explored. Haven't even done most of the interesting tutorials [12:19] <nikkia> apokryphos: i've found myself using inkscape a lot recently too [12:20] <apokryphos> nikkia: yeah 8). Longish hair there though; a few months ago [12:21] <nikkia> and had to use inkscape over remote X yesterday, since i discovered that kubuntu's version is only 0.40 so lacks some stuff :( [12:21] <apokryphos> Ashamed to say I've never tried it out [12:21] <apokryphos> nikkia: oh, on your laptop? [12:21] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, i was trying to do some non-work related UI design [12:22] <nikkia> and needed to create objects around a circle, can't do it in 0.40 :/ [12:22] <apokryphos> on installing inkscape... the following package to be upgraded: gparted. Weird. :| [12:22] <nikkia> odd [12:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: tbh, every time i've tried to use sodipodi, i've been put off by the UI, inkscape's UI seems a little better somehow [12:23] <nikkia> altho i think king of the bad UI design has to go to Dia and its 'lets copy gimp's interface, even though its the worst part about gimp' :) [12:23] <apokryphos> Ah, SVG stuff - excellent. UI doens't seem too bad [12:24] <apokryphos> heh [12:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: there's one thing in inkscape that really annoys me, but you can work around it [12:24] <apokryphos> or Kynaptic that tries to take Synaptic's UI for some things :| [12:24] <apokryphos> and Quanta gets the award for most cluttered [12:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: that being, that there seems to be no way to select an object by name... until you realise that when you open the xml editor, and select an XML item, it selects the corresponding visual item in the main window [12:25] <nikkia> there are mouse shortcuts for selecting bottom and top items under the mouse, but no way to select things 'in the middle' of the stack, so it really needs a select by name [12:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: under 'Edit' i believe [12:26] <apokryphos> I'd imagine so, yeah. [12:26] <apokryphos> ah yes, here it is [12:26] <nikkia> Ooo [12:26] <nikkia> 'GIMP 2.3.3 developer release - a preview of gimp 2.4' [12:26] <apokryphos> ah, easily selectable, yup. Doesn't seem too bad. [12:26] <apokryphos> oh? [12:28] <nikkia> does gimp use the old linux numbering system then ? [12:28] <apokryphos> Inkscape seems quite nice; might check out some tutorials for this [12:28] <nikkia> ie, even releases == public, odd == development [12:28] <apokryphos> I was wondering if gnome uses the same system; as in, as kde does [12:29] <nikkia> apparently, the big new feature in 2.3.3 is a new selection algorithm *shrug* [12:31] <nikkia> oh nice [12:31] <nikkia> its a tool for b3ta users :P [12:31] <nikkia> you draw the selection area around something, roughly, then highlight the foreground object you want, and it auto-finds the object and selects it [12:32] <apokryphos> that's new? [12:32] <nikkia> yeah, 'SIOX' [12:32] <apokryphos> I thought that had been around for some time... maybe I'm thinking of it in another program. [12:33] <apokryphos> really annoying thing now is that breezy has some x problems with xrender; can't compile kde apps :| [12:34] <apokryphos> still; running it is good. [12:40] <apokryphos> nikkia: how many hours a day do you work, would you say? [12:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: anywhere between 10 and 18 [12:40] <apokryphos> :| [12:40] <apokryphos> no wonder your boss likes you :P [12:41] <nikkia> on a really bad week, that works out to nearly 130hrs/week, eep [12:42] <apokryphos> nikkia: you do enjoy your job though, eh? [12:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: moderately so :P [12:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: atm, i'd rather have a weekend of relaxation [12:43] <apokryphos> nikkia: you do weekends too? [12:43] <apokryphos> nikkia: I hope you get long holidays =) [12:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: since december, i've been pretty much working 7 days a week most weeks [12:43] <apokryphos> :S [12:44] <nikkia> and no, i get the standard 20 days a year :/ [12:44] <apokryphos> nikkia: is that standard? :| [12:44] <apokryphos> oh, four weeks; yeah, I guess so. [12:44] <nikkia> i've taken 5 so far this year [12:45] <nikkia> which leaves me 10 to find a place in my calendar to take (although i might just demand 2 weeks off at christmas) [12:45] <apokryphos> I guess that's one advantage of teaching -- long holiday hours [12:46] <apokryphos> or long holidays, even [12:46] <apokryphos> nikkia: you see the new appeal site? Some real promising things [12:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: depends on how you look at it, most of the teachers i've known, tend to work their holidays too [12:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: appeal site? [12:47] <apokryphos> nikkia: and they have pretty much unpaid overtime, but they don't work all holidays, as far as I've seen. Especially not if you're primary school/lower-year-secondary school [12:47] <apokryphos> http://appeal.kde.org [12:47] <apokryphos> dot article: http://dot.kde.org/1123942244/ [12:47] <nikkia> apokryphos: teachers are contracted, aren't they? i'd expect unpaid overtime [12:48] <apokryphos> Works out to quite a lot, though. A few hours every night [12:52] <nikkia> apokryphos: 'Coolness' looks nice, but i worry about depending on Render so much, i've yet to see it work stable with GL enabled :/ [12:52] <nikkia> and i need GL for work more than i need Render for fancy effects [12:54] <apokryphos> nikkia: Yeah. I don't think they'll allow kde4 to be slower (really). I'm remaining hopeful [12:54] <apokryphos> a lot of encouraging stuff there; and I don't think any of it is "plain vision" [12:55] <nikkia> apokryphos: quite a lot of it is ripping off OS X though :) [12:55] <apokryphos> nikkia: sure :P [12:59] <nikkia> hmmm, i like their ideas on hiding the filesystem [01:03] <apokryphos> File manager icons mockup looks interesting [01:04] <nikkia> i dunno [01:04] <nikkia> that looks like it'd be very confusing [01:04] <nikkia> i had to look at his key to see what the yellow icon decoration meant, for example [01:04] <apokryphos> Yeah; thought of that [01:04] <apokryphos> The "Add to Playlist" might be;the other two are reasonably self-evident [01:05] <nikkia> you're basically just overloading icons on icons... [01:05] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, but you have to envision it in a system with more than 1 file type [01:05] <apokryphos> but removing extra clicks, at least. [01:05] <apokryphos> Sure [01:05] <nikkia> on his example, its fine, but i have a hard time picturing it working in a folder full of 100 different file types [01:06] <nikkia> i suppose with tooltips, it might not be so bad, but still, it'd take a lot of getting used to, and i'm not sure there's much gain really [01:06] <apokryphos> I remember there were some more ideas flying about; I recall one being to have huge icons where you can view and manipulate the contents from the icon itself [01:06] <apokryphos> a bit weird ;-) [01:06] <nikkia> apokryphos: another idea, would be to steal a page from the bioware/atari D&D rpgs, and have a pie menu popup if you hold down the mouse button for a certain period on the icon [01:07] <apokryphos> Never seen them in action [01:07] <nikkia> thats basically overloading gestures on icons tho [01:07] <apokryphos> why not just click for it instead? [01:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: basically, say you're in a room with an orc, you click on the orc, and a pie menu appears with a variety of options, say, attack, magic, talk, move [01:08] <apokryphos> picturing it [01:08] <nikkia> if you drop the mouse on those, it does the default action for that group, but if you move the mouse to there, and wait a second, that pie segment expands into more choices [01:08] <apokryphos> oh, so just "extra" options for click and hovering [01:08] <nikkia> so 'attack' might expand into the different attack methods your character knows [01:09] <apokryphos> seems unnecessary; too many groups of options. They're saying one is too many :P [01:09] <nikkia> apokryphos: if one is too many, then stuffing 4 mini icons in the corners aren't helping, IMO :) [01:10] <apokryphos> Found the Control Center part interesting; I never knew some planned on removing it altogether [01:11] <apokryphos> just giving it a serious make-over [01:11] <nikkia> as i said, what i just mentioned is overloading gestures on icons, rather than icons on icons, you'd get used to clicking on a mp3, pushing the mouse forward and releasing, to 'play' [01:11] <nikkia> or pushing right, and releasing to enqueue [01:11] <nikkia> it complicates DnD tho [01:13] <apokryphos> There'll be a lot up for debate at akademy, certainly [01:15] <nikkia> the problem is, some of those concepts require changes to linux or X [01:15] <nikkia> hiding the filesystem for example, won't work unless you have a proper versioning filesystem IMO [01:17] <apokryphos> They are planning big changes to X, though; that's why Trolltech are hiring someone to work on it, no? [01:18] <nikkia> i hope that doesn't mean we start needing developer licenses to develop Xlib apps :P [01:19] <apokryphos> nah [01:19] <apokryphos> http://dot.kde.org/1119948104/ [01:24] <nvidhive> hello guys [01:24] <nvidhive> I was wondering if the repository is acting funny for anyone else.. [01:26] <nvidhive> I need the linux sources to compile my wireless drivers.. but they keep going *poof* [01:26] <nvidhive> and I am on a t1 [01:27] <superkids> hi all [01:28] <superkids> at least some people apretiate the power of linux :( but some dont *looks paranoid* [01:28] <nvidhive> who are you looking for? [01:28] <nvidhive> the boogey man? [01:28] <superkids> noone [01:29] <nvidhive> *ooogey* *beeooogey* *oogey* [01:29] <superkids> * does too [01:30] <superkids> boogalooga looga looga [01:30] <nvidhive> eek! [01:30] <superkids> harathhhh!!!! [01:31] <roboman900> hi all [01:32] <superkids> hi [01:32] <roboman900> so whats new? [01:33] <superkids> nothin much [01:33] <superkids> hi one [01:33] <roboman900> hi [01:38] <roboman900> whats goin onm nobody out of 80 peeps are talkin [01:44] <arcanistherogue> Hey, how do i get a desktop trash Icon? In /home/john/Desktop, there is a "trash.desktop" icon, but how do i get it to appear on the desktop? [01:44] <arcanistherogue> I think it only appears when I select show hidden files. [01:46] <apokryphos> arcanistherogue: browse to ~/Desktop and edit it with kate [01:46] <arcanistherogue> k [01:46] <apokryphos> arcanistherogue: change hidden=false [01:46] <arcanistherogue> oh ok [01:46] <arcanistherogue> thanks [01:46] <apokryphos> s/change/change to [01:47] <arcanistherogue> wow, this is nifty. it has all the names in different languages :D [01:47] <arcanistherogue> say, cuold you make your own shortcuts like this? [01:47] <arcanistherogue> like write up a text file, save it as Blah.desktop, and use different values? so you can customize icons? [01:48] <arcanistherogue> err customize shortcuts. [01:50] <apokryphos> arcanistherogue: not really; all that icon does is link to trash:/ [01:50] <apokryphos> you can of coruse create shortcuts etc perfectly in kde though [01:52] <arcanistherogue> nifty [01:54] <arcanistherogue> say, i have one more question. [01:55] <arcanistherogue> the trashcan icon makes a trashca.desktop backup file, with a little recycle icon. How do I get rid of this? [01:56] <apokryphos> arcanistherogue: that's because of your settings in Kate. When editing a file, it's set to automatically make backups [01:56] <arcanistherogue> oh. thats why i have so many backups in my c++ folder.... [01:56] <arcanistherogue> well is it ok to delte? [01:56] <arcanistherogue> *delete? [01:56] <apokryphos> of course. Settings for that are in Settings -> Configure Kate -> Editor -> Open/Save [01:57] <arcanistherogue> wow, thanks alot for all the help. [01:57] <arcanistherogue> I have one last question, I asked this on the forums but i got no response. Do you know of any way to play .utx and .it files on linux? I have some game music I want to play. [01:58] <apokryphos> No idea I'm afraid. If you don't get help in here, it's worth tryin in #ubuntu as well [01:59] <arcanistherogue> k. thanks :D [01:59] <steven> hello [01:59] <steven> i need sum help please [02:00] <steven> i wanna be able to run games on kubuntu [02:00] <steven> what do i do??? [02:00] <dean> k menu> games? [02:01] <steven> like fifa [02:01] <steven> nfl [02:01] <steven> doom [02:01] <steven> half life 2 [02:01] <steven> etc [02:02] <_thiago> how do I update mys KDE packages to KDE 3.4.2? [02:02] <apokryphos> !kde342 [02:02] <ubotu> I guess kde342 is at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php [02:02] <dean> there is fifa for linux? [02:02] <steven> no [02:02] <steven> i want like an emulator or such [02:03] <steven> to run windows games [02:03] <dean> use in wine [02:03] <steven> how do i get it [02:03] <apokryphos> !windows [02:04] <ubotu> windows is, like, Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative [02:04] <_thiago> how do I update mys KDE packages to KDE 3.4.2? do I have to config anything special after downloading them? [02:05] <_thiago> wont I mess up with my kubuntu? [02:06] <_thiago> how do I update mys KDE packages to KDE 3.4.2? do I have to config anything special after downloading them? [02:06] <apokryphos> _thiago: it will download/install it all automatically if you follow the instructions at that link [02:06] <apokryphos> _thiago: all you have to do after is relogin [02:06] <_thiago> ok thanks [02:07] <dean> what's new in kde 3.4.2? [02:07] <_thiago> im asking cause once I tried to update my slackware KDE packages, and after it installed them, I couldnt boot my linux anymore [02:08] <apokryphos> dean: bugfixes [02:08] <dean> ok.. [02:10] <_thiago> does anybody know a good movie player for kubuntu? [02:10] <dean> kaffeine? [02:11] <_thiago> I tried once, but it has too many bugs [02:11] <apokryphos> it's better now, at least. Other popular are kplayer and kmplayer [02:12] <_thiago> Are those available in the regulars repositories ? [02:13] <apokryphos> apparently not, no. [02:13] <apokryphos> !kdeapps [02:13] <ubotu> apokryphos: Are you smoking crack? [02:13] <apokryphos> or... http://kde-apps.org [02:17] <dean> i hate to break the silence... [02:18] <_thiago> does anybody know why my Knemo dot not show when I disconnect the network cable from my PC? [02:18] <apokryphos> KNemo has been busted in Hoary, as I recall. A few complaints in here, and when I ran it it wouldn't work properly, [02:19] <_thiago> but do we have an alternative? [02:20] <_jeff> hey guys [02:20] <_jeff> for the text editor Nano, what is the command to save? [02:20] <_thiago> an alternative to KNemo? [02:21] <apokryphos> _jeff: after Ctrl+X press Y [02:23] <_jeff> thanks [02:25] <_thiago> any other windows look like network monitor ? [02:25] <_thiago> besides KNemo? [02:26] <apokryphos> _thiago: you've asked several times in a few minutes :P [02:26] <apokryphos> might be worth checking in #kde or searching on kde-apps [02:32] <_thiago> sorry, but no one answered... [02:32] <_thiago> thanks... [02:32] <dean> for what?... [02:32] <_thiago> how can I delete folders in kubuntu? [02:32] <dean> shift+delete [02:32] <_thiago> but folders that have admin privileges [02:32] <_thiago> any terminal command? [02:32] <apokryphos> _thiago: sudo rm -rf /some/folder/ [02:32] <apokryphos> _thiago: be careful with that; things removed are unrecoverable [02:32] <_thiago> thanks [02:33] <_thiago> ok... [02:36] <_thiago> dont u prefer windows than linux? [02:37] <apokryphos> _thiago: no :| [02:38] <_thiago> ok, just asking [02:39] <_thiago> I heard that Windows Vista will be the best OS ever! [02:39] <thoreauputic> _thiago: BTW deleting folders that have "admin privileges" is pretty dangerous unless you know their function... [02:39] <thoreauputic> VISTA = Viruses, Intrusions, Spyware, Trojans, Adware [02:39] <thoreauputic> ;-) [02:41] <_thiago> ok I was just deleting a app called Mplayer that Ive manually installed [02:43] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: wow, you cracked the name already ;-) [02:43] <roboman900> hey im back [02:43] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: heheh [02:43] <superkids> hi [02:44] <leus> hi [02:52] <_jeff> hey guys [02:52] <_jeff> im having a problem with my wlan car [02:52] <_jeff> *card [02:54] <dean> wlan is a memory card? [02:54] <_jeff> no [02:54] <_jeff> pc card [02:55] <_jeff> ive installed it and stuff [02:55] <_jeff> but i cant seem to get any network access [02:55] <_jeff> although there is strong signal strength [02:59] <_jeff> anybody? [03:12] <delltony> whats up guys [03:13] <dean> funfreepages.com/flash/the_smurfs_lost_episode.php [03:14] <dean> huge! [03:14] <delltony> is that the one where smurfette gets boned by all the smurfs i always knew she was a little slutty :) [03:15] <dean> lol [03:16] <delltony> dang id like to find someone with a motorola v551 phone like i have [03:16] <delltony> its crazy i have ringtones out the butt and they work but when i put the wireless headset on i get a standard ring ring which sucks balls haha [03:16] <delltony> i know thats off topic but hey it brings conversation :) [03:18] <_jeff> hey guys [03:19] <delltony> hey and stuff [03:19] <_jeff> can you guys help me with my wlan? [03:20] <_jeff> i installed ndiswrapper and i think it was installed properly, my wlan card shows up, but i dont know how to connect to networks [03:21] <delltony> so the card is showing up? [03:22] <_jeff> yeah [03:22] <delltony> what does ndiswrapper -L say? [03:22] <_jeff> il check [03:22] <delltony> and have you modprobed ndiswrapper? [03:23] <delltony> steps to do if youu haven't already [03:23] <delltony> ndiswrapper -i <driver you downloaded for card> [03:23] <_jeff> i have [03:23] <delltony> ndiswrapper -l (this will list the driver installed) [03:23] <delltony> ndiswrapper -m (makes the modprobe config) [03:24] <delltony> then modprobe ndiswrapper [03:24] <delltony> once that is done then you do this [03:24] <delltony> sudo /etc/network/interfaces [03:24] <_jeff> ok, now it says net8180 driver present , hardware present [03:24] <delltony> ok [03:24] <delltony> pm me and i hope your using xchat [03:25] <dean> good night all [03:25] <delltony> night [03:25] <_jeff> im using konversation [03:25] <delltony> oh ok well xchat woulud allow you to pipe the display to me but anyway [03:25] <delltony> in your /etc/network/interfaces you need this [03:26] <delltony> iface wlan0 inet dhcp [03:26] <delltony> auto wlan0 [03:26] <delltony> unless of course you want it static [03:26] <delltony> once that is done then do this [03:26] <_jeff> ok, just gimme a sec [03:26] <delltony> sudo ifdown wlan0 [03:26] <delltony> sudo ifup wlan0 [03:29] <_jeff> ok, i added those 2 lines to my interface file [03:29] <_jeff> i think [03:29] <_jeff> ill double check [03:30] <delltony> there is more too it [03:30] <delltony> but are you caught up yet? [03:30] <_jeff> ok, so i put those 2 lines in my interfaces file [03:30] <_jeff> does it matter where i put it? [03:30] <delltony> ok [03:30] <delltony> just put it at the end of the file [03:30] <delltony> and save it [03:31] <_jeff> ok i did [03:31] <delltony> alright [03:31] <delltony> did you bring the card down with ifdown [03:31] <delltony> and then ifup? [03:32] <_jeff> ill try it again [03:32] <delltony> no did you do it before [03:32] <delltony> yes or no [03:32] <delltony> one time is enough [03:32] <delltony> if our caught up with me so far then we can proceed [03:32] <pl_ice> hi [03:32] <delltony> your* [03:32] <delltony> _jeff, try this now [03:33] <delltony> try sudo iwlist scan [03:33] <_jeff> it said it couldnt read interfaces [03:33] <delltony> and you modprobed the ndiswrapper? [03:33] <delltony> and you ndiswrapper -m befre you modprobed? [03:33] <_jeff> i just did iwlist scan
 it said it couldnt read interfaces [03:34] <delltony> what said this? [03:34] <delltony> be specific please [03:34] <_jeff> when i did the ifdown [03:34] <delltony> thats fine it was probably already down [03:34] <delltony> did you ifup wlan0 [03:35] <_jeff> ill try it [03:35] <delltony> ifup wlan0 should call dhclient and bind you an ip [03:35] <delltony> when it does i should tell you the ip [03:35] <delltony> and return you to your shell prompt [03:36] <pl_ice> u guys know where i can get clamAV 0.86.x ? i got ftp. backports open, and can't find sources entry on the forum. [03:36] <delltony> you tried sourceforge just a guess [03:36] <_jeff> it said couldnt read interfaces [03:36] <delltony> what said couldn't ead interfaces? [03:36] <delltony> again be specific [03:37] <_jeff> i did the ifup [03:37] <pl_ice> neh, but long time ago i did it via kynaptic, just killed my sources.list and now not sure where was it [03:37] <Llukax> hey guys, i was wondering if someone could help me fix this error [03:37] <Llukax> (WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed! * <---- [03:37] <delltony> paste me your /etc/network/interfaces [03:37] <pl_ice> Llukax thats a warning not error ww [03:37] <_jeff> ok [03:38] <Llukax> yah i know but its not werking [03:38] <Llukax> :P [03:38] <Llukax> heres the rest of it [03:38] <Llukax> (WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO) * [03:38] <Llukax> (WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available * [03:38] <delltony> not ww is warnings [03:38] <delltony> note* [03:38] <Llukax> i installed the ati drivers and all [03:38] <Llukax> :P [03:38] <Llukax> and i read that i may have to have a second module loaded [03:38] <pl_ice> and u changed the ati entry in xorg.conf [03:38] <Llukax> for 3d acceleration [03:38] <pl_ice> ? [03:38] <Llukax> yes [03:39] <Llukax> changed it to fglrx [03:39] <delltony> did you run fglrx-config [03:39] <Llukax> i dont have fglrx-config [03:39] <Llukax> >_< [03:39] <Llukax> ack wait [03:39] <Llukax> sorry [03:39] <Llukax> yes i did [03:39] <Llukax> but [03:39] <delltony> fixing to say then you didn't get it from ati [03:39] <delltony> :) [03:39] <Llukax> it only works for xfree86 [03:39] <Llukax> dont werk for xorg [03:39] <delltony> no it doesn't [03:39] <delltony> the one from ati works with xorg [03:40] <delltony> the one from ubuntu that is xorg-server is borked [03:40] <delltony> and only works with xfree86 [03:40] <Llukax> ok well it says to write to xfree [03:40] <delltony> i know i personally use it [03:40] <delltony> let me paste you something [03:40] <delltony> hang on [03:40] <pl_ice> delltony ,what cand u have? i got 9550 and works ok from kynaptic [03:41] <delltony> 1. Download official driver .rpm from the ATI website. [03:41] <delltony> 2. Remove fglrx packages using synaptic. [03:41] <delltony> 3. Shut down gnome. [ From terminal: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop ] [03:41] <delltony> kdm in your case [03:41] <Octane> anyone know if there is a way to stop this random crap from going in my /var/log/messages? http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/breezy.xml [03:41] <Llukax> ok i dont have an rpm i have a .run [03:41] <delltony> 4. cd to where you downloaded the driver rpm file. [03:41] <delltony> 5. sudo alien fglrx_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.i386.rpm [03:41] <delltony> 6. sudo mv /lib/modules/YOURKERNELVERSIONHERE/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko $HOME [03:41] <Octane> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1248 [03:41] <Llukax> will that still werk? [03:41] <Octane> err i mean that url ^ [03:41] <delltony> read what i told you dude [03:41] <delltony> thats how you do it :) [03:41] <Llukax> ok one sec [03:41] <Octane> its realllyyyy annoying [03:42] <delltony> 7. dpkg --force-overwrite fglrx_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.i386.deb [03:42] <delltony> 8. cd /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod [03:42] <delltony> 9. sudo sh make.sh [03:42] <delltony> 9. sudo sh make.sh [03:42] <delltony> 10. cd /lib/modules/fglrx [03:42] <delltony> 11. sudo sh make_install.sh [03:42] <delltony> 12. modprobe fglrx [03:42] <delltony> 13. fglrxconfig [03:42] <delltony> thats it game over pay me 1,000 usd :p [03:43] <pl_ice> delltony is that from howto?if not can u put it on the forum? [03:43] <delltony> its from a howto [03:43] <delltony> i don't know the link off hand though [03:44] <delltony> actually i think it was from bugzilla where i complained about xorgserver-fglrx being xfree86 [03:44] <delltony> they still haven't fixed it by the way ) [03:45] <delltony> the offical ati driver works with xorg though [03:45] <pl_ice> delltony, so howcome my works? [03:45] <delltony> however i have yet to get tvout to work [03:45] <delltony> well it works let me restate that [03:45] <delltony> it works but its preconfigured [03:45] <delltony> you can't fglrx-config [03:46] <delltony> it will make a xfree86 file [03:46] <delltony> not an xorg.config file [03:46] <delltony> unless they recently changed it [03:46] <pl_ice> i got xorg.conf ,all the time had it [03:46] <delltony> and you got the ubuntu's xorg-server fglrx? [03:46] <pl_ice> when did u try it? i reinstalled it 2 wks ago [03:47] <delltony> oh its been a while [03:47] <delltony> evidently they finally got around to my bug report :) [03:47] <delltony> it was about 2 weeks after hoary came out [03:48] <delltony> he pl_ice just curious little off topic but do you have a motorola v551 cell phone? [03:48] <pl_ice> hm, how do i check for that server? i can see only xserv-xorg without fx.. [03:48] <pl_ice> nope, nokia :] [03:48] <delltony> type apt-cache show | grep fglrx [03:48] <delltony> that should list only fglrx and tell you if its installed or not [03:49] <delltony> you have to supply it with the name sorry [03:49] <pl_ice> don't think my apt-catche ever worked :] [03:49] <delltony> like for instance apt-cache show mplayer [03:51] <pl_ice> hm, did apt-cache show fglrx ; got none [03:51] <delltony> it has to be the exact package [03:52] <pl_ice> right, done the * :] [03:52] <delltony> ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/|grep list [03:53] <delltony> (change list to fglrx) [03:54] <pl_ice> oki, got the server: [03:54] <pl_ice> xorg-driver-fglrx.list [03:54] <delltony> hmm they must have updated it thenn [03:54] <delltony> type this [03:54] <delltony> apt-cache show xorg-driver-fglrx [03:54] <delltony> and it should tell youw hat you got [03:55] <pl_ice> yep, heaps of info :] [03:55] <pl_ice> i didn't put - afer driver :/ [03:57] <pl_ice> hey, have u got backport entry other than : ftp://ftp2.caliu.info ? can u post some more if u have them? [03:58] <delltony> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [03:58] <delltony> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [03:58] <hater2win> what would I use to Unrar something in linux? [03:58] <delltony> unrar :) [03:59] <pl_ice> thnx [03:59] <hater2win> oh... lol [03:59] <delltony> sudo apt-get install unrar :) [03:59] <hater2win> delltony: thanks for answering the most complicated question ive ever had... =p [03:59] <delltony> haha [03:59] <delltony> np [04:00] <pl_ice> apt-get install rar .... [04:00] <delltony> unrar actually [04:00] <delltony> i believe [04:00] <delltony> no maybe it is rar [04:00] <delltony> type apropos rar [04:00] <delltony> and see [04:00] <pl_ice> yeh, but nice to have rar as well ;) [04:01] <delltony> rar (1) - archive files with compression [04:01] <delltony> its there [04:01] <bjv> where does the file 'crtbegin.o' come from? i get an error when ./configuring this tar.gz [04:01] <bjv> apt check doesnt show any lib packs missing. :\ [04:06] <sproingie> crtbegin.o is part of gcc [04:08] <delltony> someone help me im having a brain fart whats the command to list hardware detecting like dsmeg or something like that [04:09] <phreakys> woohoo [04:09] <pl_ice> lsmod ? [04:09] <phreakys> ati drivers work [04:09] <delltony> nah [04:09] <phreakys> finally :S [04:09] <pl_ice> phreakys , can u change the resolution? [04:09] <phreakys> sure [04:09] <pl_ice> hm, mines locked up [04:09] <phreakys> but 3d acceleration is on now [04:10] <delltony> its dmesg [04:10] <hater2win> delltony: i type unrar file.rar /dir/to/unrarto and nothing happens [04:10] <phreakys> that was a mess [04:10] <pl_ice> hehe [04:10] <phreakys> i tried reinstalling under root console [04:10] <phreakys> that worked [04:10] <pl_ice> what card u got? [04:10] <phreakys> 9600 [04:11] <phreakys> lets test :D [04:11] <phreakys> how can i test 3d in linux? [04:11] <pl_ice> glxgears should get heaps of fps [04:12] <NDService> phreakys: OpenGL? try glgears [04:12] <delltony> did you try typing unrar and reading the commands :) [04:12] <phreakys> ok, running [04:12] <phreakys> 732 fps [04:12] <phreakys> any good? [04:12] <pl_ice> nope :/ no 3d [04:12] <phreakys> not? [04:12] <pl_ice> i got 955 and fps= 1500 [04:12] <phreakys> it says direct rendering on [04:13] <pl_ice> *9550 card [04:13] <phreakys> hmm [04:13] <pl_ice> glxinfo [04:13] <pl_ice> then scan trhough, should say: [04:13] <pl_ice> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9600 XT Generic [04:14] <phreakys> i have 9600se [04:14] <phreakys> but its there [04:14] <pl_ice> and direct rendering: Yes [04:14] <phreakys> yea [04:14] <phreakys> its on [04:14] <pl_ice> hm... [04:15] <phreakys> is it slow? [04:15] <pl_ice> how much ram u got ? on the card? maybe it's correct :] [04:15] <phreakys> ehm, 256 i believe [04:16] <pl_ice> my is bit worse that urs, got 256 ram... but 3d works. normally had 4.7 fps :] w/o 3d [04:16] <phreakys> yea, thats a big difference [04:16] <phreakys> transparency in kde should work to now? [04:17] <phreakys> i mean...fast transparency? [04:17] <pl_ice> yeh, mine works [04:17] <phreakys> mine 2...its way fast now [04:17] <phreakys> allthough... [04:18] <pl_ice> :] glad [04:18] <phreakys> well,. not exactly :) [04:18] <phreakys> but im glad it works [04:18] <pl_ice> anyone uses clamAV 0.86.x? can't find package to install it [04:19] <pl_ice> *upgrate form 0.85 to 0.86 [04:19] <phreakys> l8r [04:19] <pl_ice> bie [04:29] <bjv> hmm, can i extract all the .o files in the gcc .deb some how [04:29] <bjv> and force them to be placed back into the system? [04:30] <bjv> because apt intalling/removing isnt repairing this missing .o ive found. [04:34] <bjv> ah! [04:37] <pl_ice> :] [04:38] <bjv> strange that a simple dpkg --unpack replaced the files [04:38] <bjv> but apt-get install did not. [04:38] <bjv> huh. [04:39] <pl_ice> not sure, can u just extract the file and overwrite it? use mc or something to get into it [04:39] <bjv> i grepped dpkg -c gcc for the file, and it was there. [04:40] <bjv> so i just unpacked it, and peeked back in the /usr/lib dir [04:40] <bjv> it had 5 files, when before it had 0 [04:40] <bjv> dunno. [04:41] <pl_ice> don't know [04:50] <Llukax> >_< [04:50] <Llukax> well that didnt werk [04:50] <Llukax> now its (EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP [04:55] <phreakys> hi [04:55] <phreakys> somehow my khotkeys are screwed [04:55] <phreakys> can i get them back somehow? [04:57] <pl_ice> don't know :] c ya uni time [05:00] <phreakys> :) [05:15] <ms12> is there a special switch in rsync to preserve permissions and ownerships? [05:20] <jesusfish> anyone know of an amaroK 1.3-beta3 deb for Hoary? [05:20] <crimsun> jesusfish: I haven't made one yet, but I can do that tonight. [05:20] <jesusfish> crimsun: woah...just poped in to ask again [05:20] <jesusfish> good timing [05:21] <jesusfish> crimsun: oh, looks like 1.3 was just released [05:22] <jesusfish> crimsun: tonight [05:22] <crimsun> I'll have something hacked up in the morning. [05:22] <jesusfish> awesome [05:22] <jesusfish> thx [05:22] <crimsun> I suspect if it gets into Breezy, hoary-backports will get it automatically. [05:22] <jesusfish> that'd be nice [05:42] <phreakys> hi [05:43] <phreakys> i downloaded a bootsplash. how can i install it on kubuntu? [05:44] <phreakys> anyone knows how to install a bootsplash? [05:45] <memoryleek> is anyone running on a laptop with a wireless pcmcia card? ...i'm having probs setting mine up [05:46] <Tribune> nope. i'm using LAN [05:47] <memoryleek> damnit...i have everything set up...just the card wont turn on it seems like [05:48] <Tribune> relax... someone will help u. i want to know to how to set up... [05:49] <memoryleek> i know...its just frustrating...its the last thing i really need to do on this laptop before the semester starts [05:49] <benjamin1254> is there a way to read wma files in linux? [05:49] <jsubl2> memoryleek, have you tried https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=wireless&titlesearch=Titles [05:49] <Tribune> i use kaffeine... works with wma... [05:50] <memoryleek> jsubl2 i'll check that out [05:50] <memoryleek> benjamin1254...as far as video...VLC works (sometimes) [05:50] <benjamin1254> i mean audio side of it since i use napster and i wana read my music from downstars off my windows pc [05:51] <memoryleek> benjamin1254 i think there's a wma codec for xmms...cant remember the link offhand [05:53] <memoryleek> son of a Bit.. i just happen to have a card that doesnt work...that's what i get for shopping at Wal-Mart >( [05:53] <benjamin1254> memory i wasent here b4 [05:53] <benjamin1254> what card u usin man [05:53] <memoryleek> linksys wpc54g [05:54] <memoryleek> should have known when i had a time getting it working in win2k [05:54] <benjamin1254> hmmm i have looked high and low and sometimes it takes a bit to get thoes running [05:54] <memoryleek> yea... i think i'm just going to buy a new one...do you use one? [05:54] <benjamin1254> my buddy had to do a search for it on the linux search on google... www.google.com/linux [05:55] <memoryleek> benjamin1254 yea i've been googling for days.. [05:56] <benjamin1254> lol... but linux googling? [05:56] <benjamin1254> there is a specialty search for linux users [05:56] <memoryleek> well...adding linux into everything i've searched [05:57] <benjamin1254> lol the just head to www.google.com/linux and search for it u will find what u need im sure [05:57] <memoryleek> i am...i'm looking into buying a new card and access point soon anyway but just trying to save some cash [05:58] <benjamin1254> eh i am too... but i havent done nethng with wireless as of yet cuz of time money and now collage coming up this october [05:59] <memoryleek> damn...you dont start until october??? i go back on the 25th of this month [06:00] <benjamin1254> :-/ well its cuz im a newbie at the whole collage deal and i am just starting out... ill be attending a 2 year full time year round collage PTI [06:00] <benjamin1254> pitsburg technical institute [06:00] <memoryleek> oh okay...i have a friend that's in hallmark tech institute...kinda the same thing [06:01] <benjamin1254> i love there linux server [06:01] <memoryleek> heh...what is your major or whatever they call it? [06:02] <benjamin1254> yeaqh the tech institutes r nice... seeing as i road a 2000 doller segway durring my tour of the school [06:02] <benjamin1254> my major will be computer forensics [06:02] <benjamin1254> a nice way of cazlling me a legal hacker [06:02] <benjamin1254> calling* [06:02] <memoryleek> LMAO...the segway...colossal waste of engineering [06:02] <memoryleek> comp forensics eh...sounds fun [06:03] <benjamin1254> yea i have plans on hoping to be hired on to the fbi [06:03] <benjamin1254> my cuz works with the fbi as well so ill be working right about the same place she is [06:04] <memoryleek> that's cool...fbi pays good too [06:05] <benjamin1254> i hope ... i mean i want to get everything p[ayed off asap.. im gana take some of the money i get from my loan and i am gana buy 2 or 3 laptops for myself for linux use [06:06] <benjamin1254> i have a 40,000 doller loan pulled right now... so i hope to work things out to get it all payed off in the shortest amount of time [06:06] <memoryleek> hehe...why so many? take some of that money and just save it...just in case [06:07] <benjamin1254> why so many well my profesion calls for some seriouse work on computers and knowing a bit of this and that [06:07] <benjamin1254> i have a program i wana load into my 1 laptop call PHLAK [06:08] <memoryleek> yea i can see that but youre still in school...you wont need it now [06:08] <benjamin1254> i graduated from highschol months ago man [06:09] <benjamin1254> i need it now for everythinbg that wont be covered in goverment grants [06:09] <memoryleek> yea true...what laptops are you looking at? [06:10] <benjamin1254> ne that are like in the mid range like 64 bit laptops... and plus some gigabit eathernet laptops... not sure of brand name though. im thinking of getting maybe an asus moble pc [06:11] <benjamin1254> asus moble laptop exuse me.. long day at work [06:11] <memoryleek> dude...wait for a year and get the apple Powerbook x86...that's going to be awesome [06:12] <benjamin1254> yeah i heared about them loeaking info ... they have a cupple working oses built already and a buddy of mine has one for just messing around so far it looks awsome [06:13] <memoryleek> hells yea...i cant wait to get my hands on one [06:13] <benjamin1254> yeah its leaked out so far and people have made builds of the os to where they get around the securty checks... its mainly a bittorrent file right now [06:14] <memoryleek> yea but those builds are nothing like what will be coming out...apple is way smarter than that [06:14] <benjamin1254> :)) sorta like microshaft is.... [06:14] <memoryleek> lol...microsoft is too smart for their own good [06:16] <benjamin1254> no mcrosoft has a bit of an issue... did u kno the OEM OSes now that they sell are becoming iligal to sell because of some dumb ass reason... i think they want people to pay fll price for it [06:16] <memoryleek> exactly...and that will be their downfall because piracy will ALWAYS exist [06:17] <benjamin1254> linux will and should be windows downfall [06:17] <Tribune> in my country............ piracy microsoftware selling for US$ 1.5 =)) [06:17] <memoryleek> hehe....hate to say it but linux wont kill windows anytime soon [06:17] <Tribune> hahahahahah [06:18] <benjamin1254> they even have a microsoft linux site i have seen floating arounf the internet [06:18] <memoryleek> Tribune...sweet [06:18] <Tribune> u can buy it illegally [06:18] <Tribune> 10 software... Free 1 software [06:18] <benjamin1254> yeah but oems they are starting to shutdown [06:18] <memoryleek> lol..i bought winXP pro for 8 dollars ...LEGALLY [06:18] <memoryleek> haha [06:19] <benjamin1254> :O how [06:19] <memoryleek> lol...my university has a deal with microsoft...we pay for the software by the CD...and we only pay 8 bucks per CD [06:20] <benjamin1254> :OWOW [06:20] <memoryleek> HAHA [06:20] <Tribune> heheheheh kwelllllllll [06:20] <memoryleek> i have win 98 se...win2k...and winXP Pro sitting next to me right now...and when vista comes out, i'll have that too [06:21] <Tribune> i have win2k, XO, server2003, and longhorn ahakz [06:21] <Tribune> XP* [06:21] <benjamin1254> yeah but again it wil be the price of a new game console or higher [06:21] <benjamin1254> and still with as many security holes [06:21] <Tribune> office 2003 [06:21] <Tribune> autocad 200i [06:22] <Tribune> :)) [06:22] <memoryleek> Tribune...did you get affected by the "genuine advantage" program? [06:22] <Tribune> genuine? [06:22] <memoryleek> benjamin1254...yep...so people will sell their current PCs and just buy new ones with it installed [06:22] <Tribune> what that [06:23] <benjamin1254> yeah man whats that [06:23] <memoryleek> Tribune: yea MS has this program that keeps pirated software from updating...it was cracked by the second day it was out...LOL [06:23] <benjamin1254> LMFAO [06:23] <memoryleek> MS already gave up on it [06:23] <Tribune> all CD i bought..... come in together with crack [06:23] <memoryleek> LOL [06:23] <Tribune> hik4 [06:24] <memoryleek> here's how you stop Piracy...LOWER THE DAMN PRICES!!! [06:24] <benjamin1254> duh [06:24] <Tribune> if they do............ do you think ppl will turn to linux? [06:24] <benjamin1254> but microshaft has gay issues [06:24] <benjamin1254> i dont wana become poor issues [06:24] <memoryleek> Tribune: no...too complicated [06:25] <Tribune> hahaha [06:25] <memoryleek> benjamin1254: they have issues, and so does everything else [06:25] <benjamin1254> isent miscroshaft technicly a monopoly [06:25] <Tribune> memoryleek. how to install wine did do apt-get install wine [06:25] <Tribune> but i can't [06:26] <memoryleek> Tribune: i honestly dont know...that's one thing i havent tried yet...why wouldn't it let you? [06:26] <memoryleek> benjamin1254: not really [06:26] <memoryleek> but they are monopolistic [06:26] <memoryleek> as long as MS has a viable contender (apple) then they are ok [06:26] <benjamin1254> how arent the morons of the worl a monopoly? [06:27] <benjamin1254> O OK [06:27] <memoryleek> LOL [06:27] <memoryleek> they act like a monopoly but they get away with it [06:27] <benjamin1254> soon they may run our gov [06:28] <memoryleek> nah...that's the oil business' job [06:28] <benjamin1254> i bet if bill ran for prsident he would get hired in automaticly [06:28] <memoryleek> if he had the charisma and charm of Steve Jobs he would [06:29] <benjamin1254> steve jobs? [06:29] <geargolem> what are the advantages to kubuntu over ubuntu? [06:29] <memoryleek> CEO/founder of Apple [06:29] <benjamin1254> O OK [06:29] <memoryleek> geargolem: nothing...ubuntu has gnome...kubuntu has KDE [06:29] <benjamin1254> durr ... im stupid today [06:29] <geargolem> memoryleek, your name is familiar [06:30] <memoryleek> benjamin1254: its called senioritis [06:30] <memoryleek> geargolem ;) [06:30] <benjamin1254> i agree memoryleek [06:30] <memoryleek> lol [06:30] <geargolem> memoryleek, would changing fix my Xauthorization problem? [06:30] <memoryleek> geargolem: possible...but that's a bit drastic [06:31] <geargolem> memoryleek, I'm a drastic man. [06:31] <memoryleek> geargolem: somehow i'm not suprised...haha....try running kubuntu from a live CD first if your going to do it that way [06:31] <benjamin1254> geargolem how did u get ur name... and i think u should find an avatar of a gear golem it would look awsome [06:32] <geargolem> benjamin1254, its a loooooooong story. Once upon a time.... [06:32] <benjamin1254> i have all night [06:32] <geargolem> memoryleek, I've seen the desktop, alot flashier. [06:32] <geargolem> benjamin1254, ..... and after the 35th time we had sex that night she started calling me geargolem after that. [06:33] <memoryleek> geargolem: heh...yea...i prefer kde to gnome anyday [06:33] <benjamin1254> i have exactly 48 hrs to work with [06:33] <benjamin1254> yeah i do to [06:33] <benjamin1254> its better in feel wise [06:33] <geargolem> lol [06:33] <benjamin1254> and its not as stuck up like gnome [06:33] <geargolem> That &^*&^*&^s it! [06:33] <Tribune> i install kubuntu in my desktop. how can i install package a? [06:33] <memoryleek> but i really like fluxbox for my desktop system [06:34] <memoryleek> Tribune: what package? [06:34] <geargolem> cripes, here we go on tangents to confuse the newb. [06:34] <Tribune> sudo apt-get install ? anybody can support me? [06:34] <benjamin1254> flux box is awsome depending how its setup [06:34] <Tribune> example package a [06:34] <memoryleek> Tribune: sudo apt-get install <packagename> [06:34] <geargolem> what packages do I need to install for kubuntu? My synaptic don't work and I have to do it manually. [06:34] <Tribune> actually i'm still new with kubuntu [06:35] <memoryleek> geargolem: try apt-get install kde3 [06:35] <memoryleek> Tribune: have you used Debian before? [06:35] <Tribune> memoryleek Tribune: sudo apt-get install gnome? [06:35] <geargolem> Try!!? There is no try! Only do! [06:35] <Tribune> i did use knoppix 3.6 before [06:35] <Tribune> run in cd [06:35] <Tribune> before i use fedora coe3 [06:37] <Tribune> core3* [06:37] <memoryleek> Tribune: yea its the same...but just do sudo before anything that requires root [06:37] <memoryleek> yuck!! i hate fedora [06:37] <benjamin1254> geargolem do u know how to do the actions? such as such and such user is doing blah blah blah [06:37] <Tribune> fedora... hahahahah..... [06:37] <Tribune> i agreed [06:37] <geargolem> benjamin1254, yes [06:37] <memoryleek> hehe [06:37] <Tribune> by the way.. do kubuntu or debian need to install anti virus? if yes.. how to install? [06:37] <memoryleek> i've only been able to successfully run Debian based distros [06:37] <memoryleek> Tribune: there are anti-virus clients, but i've never tried one...i'm ashamed [06:37] <geargolem> benjamin1254, why do you ask? [06:40] <memoryleek> alright guys...i gotta run...laters all [06:40] <pl_ice> hi, anyone can tell me why i can't run matlab (gui) from start menu , yet i can from shell , and pops up as gui ? [06:52] <benjamin1254> yes im still wondering since he left i had to go do something ... i just wana do actions myself but forgot how 2 [07:03] <benjamin1254> wmspaceweather - WindowMaker dock app that shows the "weather" in space............ i cant get it to load and i am unable to see it from the linux version of the start menu... [07:07] <benjamin1254> i cant get wmspaceweather to run [07:08] <benjamin1254> ne ideas peoples? [07:11] <jake1> ok... i am so lost [07:11] <benjamin1254> lost [07:11] <benjamin1254> why lost [07:11] <jake1> i was in Ubuntu and seemingly i got banned cuz they are saying i have some type of bot [07:11] <jake1> or script [07:11] <jake1> that is doing something [07:11] <jake1> but i don't have ANY scripts [07:12] <jake1> so i have no clue what anyone is talking about [07:12] <jake1> or bots [07:12] <jake1> they are like telling me to remove it, but i dnt have one [07:12] <benjamin1254> hmmm... what r u using 4 ur IRC chat system [07:12] <jake1> xchat [07:13] <benjamin1254> hmm ... give me a sec need to check something [07:13] <jake1> apparently everyone is saying [Notice] -jake1- [some undefined musician] [ stars] [] [07:13] <jake1> that that is what happens [07:13] <Tribune> i did install kubuntu and running it ok [07:13] <jake1> i have no clue what is going on [07:13] <Tribune> how can i update to get gnome? [07:14] <jake1> don't you have Gnome ? [07:14] <benjamin1254> thats degrade not an upgrade [07:14] <Tribune> nope [07:14] <jake1> you should be able to select it in the session manager [07:14] <benjamin1254> gnome no i have the kde version [07:14] <jake1> or something of such [07:14] <Tribune> during installation... i face internet connection.. so only kde package in my pc [07:14] <benjamin1254> yeah im installing xchat for kubuntu [07:16] <benjamin1254> idk its odd... [07:16] <jake1> i'm using Xchat on Mac OS X [07:16] <jake1> and i have never had this problem [07:16] <jake1> with the whole bot thing [07:16] <jake1> considering i dnt have any bots [07:16] <jake1> or scripts [07:16] <benjamin1254> MAC os x for i86 or powerpc? [07:16] <jake1> PPC [07:17] <jake1> i would never do such a thing as betray apple hardware [07:17] <benjamin1254> lol ... ithought u were one of the lucky ones who have it for i86 [07:17] <jake1> NEVER [07:17] <jake1> i was curious of whether it would work on an AMD system [07:17] <benjamin1254> betray.. but they are making the move over to i86 [07:17] <jake1> or only Intel [07:17] <benjamin1254> it would man ive seen it done [07:17] <jake1> yes but they are not there yet [07:18] <jake1> on AMD [07:18] <jake1> or intel? [07:18] <benjamin1254> cuz it is i86 compatable [07:18] <jake1> :-\ [07:18] <jake1> maybe i will download it then [07:19] <benjamin1254> :)) man just be lucky to get one w/o the security checks an stuff... [07:19] <jake1> i will try [07:19] <benjamin1254> there are some that are avalabe on bitorrent [07:19] <jake1> everything is available on Bittorrent [07:19] <jake1> but first i am downloading Tiger [07:20] <benjamin1254> :) o man im so tired [07:20] <benjamin1254> o well a few more hrs on here and i will be ok [07:20] <jake1> wow that's funny [07:20] <jake1> i'm white [07:20] <benjamin1254> :)) not black thats a shocker [07:20] <benjamin1254> LMFAO [07:21] <jake1> yea can't you tell by my elaborate spelling and my use of big words such as floccinaucinihilipilification [07:21] <jake1> black people aren't smart enough to know words like that [07:21] <jake1> or even able to spell elaborate [07:21] <jake1> :-P [07:22] <benjamin1254> hey i am black... and smart... not a dumbassed slave ne more [07:22] <jake1> DAMN [07:22] <jake1> i need someone to pick the cotton [07:22] <jake1> jp [07:22] <benjamin1254> LOL i know i aint dumb man [07:23] <jake1> but you're black [07:23] <jake1> sorry... i kinda just assumed [07:23] <jake1> i figured you were typing from a stolen laptop [07:23] <jake1> somewhere in the projects [07:24] <benjamin1254> \:-\ [07:25] <benjamin1254> dude im white... if u cant tell [07:25] <benjamin1254> i was just playin [07:25] <benjamin1254> oi [07:26] <benjamin1254> idk how many jewish black people u know lol [07:26] <jake1> yea i figured... you were either a black jew, white, or asian since you were smart enough to figure out how to use IRC [07:28] <benjamin1254> lmfao [07:28] <benjamin1254> ...I feel like a dumb jew [07:30] <benjamin1254> waiting on whitty responce... [07:30] <jake1> ah [07:30] <jake1> ok then [07:31] <benjamin1254> i love chocoalate monkeys...and i live with a jewish chimp [07:33] <benjamin1254> im pigmentally challenged [07:40] <jake1> that page assumes there are no small geeks or nerds [07:40] <jake1> or medium [07:40] <jake1> it has sizes Large, Extra Large, Double Extra Large [07:40] <jake1> crazy [08:06] <Fatejudger> does anyone know how to fix the MBR after installing Windows after linux on a dual boot system? [08:10] <Fatejudger> is anyone even here? [08:19] <McScruff> lo [08:22] <zAo^> what do I need to install in order to let KDE start the sound server? I get an error msg that it cant be starten (file or dir not found) [08:33] <Tribune> how to set display in kubuntu? my monitor running in 640. i'm using 17'' Colour monitor. [08:34] <zAo^> Tribune: edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf [08:43] <zAo^> can anyone plz help me with the KDEsound? [08:44] <seaLne> zAo^: has sound worked before in linux? [08:44] <seaLne> maybe the installer didn't detect your card [08:44] <zAo^> seaLne: yes. In gnome it still works [08:44] <zAo^> seaLne: I installed KDE myself (useing APT) [08:44] <seaLne> is arts installed? [08:45] <zAo^> yes it is [08:45] <seaLne> do "ps -ef|grep arts" to check its running? [08:45] <zAo^> it is :) [08:47] <seaLne> if you run "id" is audio listed? [08:47] <zAo^> yes :) [08:49] <seaLne> hmm [08:50] <azol> hi all. I want to download kubuntu install iso via rsync. Where can I find rsync server with kubuntu iso? [08:50] <seaLne> and i take it "ls -l /dev/dsp*" lists 2 things? [08:50] <seaLne> azol: not sure if there thats available [08:51] <seaLne> zAo^: does "cat /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Startup.wav > /dev/dsp" do anything? or running that with sudo? [08:52] <zAo^> seaLne: no. Nothing :S [08:52] <seaLne> any error? [08:53] <seaLne> was that no /dev/dsp ? [08:54] <zAo^> no error, /dev/dsp exits [08:54] <zAo^> perms: crw-rw---- 1 root audio [08:54] <seaLne> weird [08:54] <zAo^> o, o... :-) [08:56] <seaLne> zAo^: hmm not sure then :-/ [08:57] <zAo^> thanks seaLne for the help. I'm going back to gnome then [09:00] <zAo^> seaLne: can you help this? [09:00] <zAo^> $ artsd [09:00] <zAo^> ALSA lib pcm.c:2090:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM snd_cs46xx [09:00] <zAo^> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:802:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave [09:00] <zAo^> Error while initializing the sound driver: [09:00] <zAo^> device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory) [09:01] <Tribune> hi.... previous there is somebody teach me to install a package [09:01] <Tribune> after installing it.... i can see 5 person in the round invirioment [09:02] <Tribune> how to get that package? [09:37] <Tribune> i can't go to my terminal after update using knyapatic any idea'? [09:38] <paines> which terminal ? [09:39] <Tribune> start / utilities / terminal [09:39] <Tribune> i want to apt-get install ubuntu-desktop [09:40] <Tribune> can u intruct me paines? [09:40] <Tribune> i did restart few time [09:40] <Tribune> but it the same [09:41] <seaLne> weird, you tried KMenu -> Run Command then type konsole? [09:42] <Tribune> wow!! it help.... thanks [09:42] <Tribune> :)) [09:42] <Tribune> <-- still new in kubuntu [09:43] <hussam> anybody knows why the Kubuntu 3.4.2 packages don't have kdeartwork? [09:44] <paines> Tribune, you can also press alt+f2 and fire any command in there, like konsole etc [09:44] <paines> i do that all the time [09:45] <Tribune> yeeeeeehaaaa [09:45] <Tribune> thanks guy [09:45] <Tribune> i love kubuntu [09:45] <Tribune> hahahaha [09:45] <paines> yep, love it too [09:45] <Tribune> can ubuntu... (My Desktop) Communicate with my pocket pc.. toshiba e740<-- running Microsoft OS? [09:46] <paines> don't know [09:46] <Tribune> ic [09:46] <paines> if you are lucky, than you can find a software which you can use to sync stuff like, adressboock etc [09:47] <paines> last week i found out that i can connect my nokia mobile phone and access via kde apps, didn't know that too [09:47] <paines> so, ask google i think [09:47] <Tribune> k [09:48] <Tribune> kubuntu.. don't have to maintain hardware. example SUSE there is YAST.... Kubuntu is it hidden or etc? [09:49] <seaLne> control center should be in the menu [10:10] <Tribune> my pc like to hang...... when using kubuntu. Pentium III 1.0gbyte. 80g.bye HDD 512ram [10:10] <Tribune> any ideas? [10:14] <torz> nikkia: you around? [10:14] <nikkia> vaguely [10:14] <torz> heh [10:14] <torz> you know much about .mkv files? [10:14] <nikkia> nope [10:15] <torz> hmmm supposively mplayer is supposed to play them but heh, its being naughty. [10:15] <torz> oh yea I ditched 64bit Kubuntu as well, things were getting annoying. [10:15] <nikkia> ah, they're matroska files [10:15] <torz> yep :~) [10:15] <torz> matroska indeed [10:15] <nikkia> torz, you may need special support at compile time for matroska under mplayer [10:16] <torz> I've never heard of it until yesterday [10:16] <torz> ah I see, I let apt do all the work to fetch mplayer686 for me you see [10:17] <nikkia> yeah, i figured [10:17] <nikkia> which means you're at the whim of the package maintainer's build options [10:17] <nikkia> and matroska is pretty unusual [10:17] <torz> yep [10:17] <nikkia> IF it needs special support at compile time (i haven't checked, but lots of things do) the chances are the P.M didn't configure it :/ [10:17] <torz> maybe I have to download codecs for it.. mmmm [10:18] <nikkia> apparently, yes, it has to be compiled with matroska support [10:18] <nikkia> its about fedora, but here's a similar issue: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-621.html [10:18] <torz> ah nice :~) [10:19] <torz> will open it soon(ish), my bandwidth is soaked atm. [10:19] <torz> or not lol [10:19] <nikkia> its not that important, its basically just a fedora user complaining the same thing - that his mplayer doesn't play mkv files [10:19] <nikkia> and people saying 'you have to rebuild the source' [10:20] <torz> mmm that sounds hard [10:20] <nikkia> hmmm, you also need 'libmatroska' installed, apparently [10:20] <torz> torum@titan:~$ locate libmatroska [10:20] <torz> apparently not :~) heh better go fetch it then [10:20] <nikkia> i'll wager its not in the repositories either [10:21] <torz> you win :~) [10:21] <torz> I guess i could find a debian package [10:21] <nikkia> compiling mplayer isn't too hard, if you have all of its dependancies installed [10:22] <nikkia> and that isn't too hard on apt based systems, just look at the list of dependancies for the mplayer you have, then go thru each one and make sure you have any matching -dev package installed [10:22] <nikkia> then you'd want to download and build the libmatroska stuff, then build mplayer itself [10:23] <nikkia> i'd recommend uninstalling the system mplayer first, making sure it doesn't auto-uninstall any deps, then use checkinstall to build them [10:23] <torz> and where do I get the package from? the official mplayer site? [10:23] <nikkia> (them = libmatroska and mplayer) [10:24] <nikkia> torz, yeah, that'd be my suggestion [10:27] <igorez> exit [10:53] <haplo> hola [11:09] <seaLne> Riddell: do you know if there is a reason libkorundum0-ruby1.8 installs in /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/ rather than /usr/lib/site_ruby/ ? [11:13] <seaLne> Riddell: not ofcourse that it really has anything to do wth you but is kinda kde related [11:14] <zAo^> I did a clean install of kubuntu, no my soundserver starts normal, but I have no sound. Anyone who can help? (cs46xx) [11:15] <seaLne> if yu run kmix is it muted? [11:15] <zAo^> no, checked that :) [11:15] <seaLne> thats the normal alsa annoying feature [11:15] <zAo^> I know :) [11:15] <zAo^> thnx seaLne [11:17] <zAo^> did a agrade to KDE 3.4.2; restart [11:25] <zAo^> still no sound... what is this :S [11:26] <seaLne> maybe nobody likes your music :) [11:28] <zAo^> lol :) [11:28] <zAo^> artscontrol shows some nice things [11:28] <zAo^> no sound though [11:30] <seaLne> launchpad is the place to report bugs in universe yeah? [11:31] <seaLne> does it not list packages only in breezy? [11:31] <zAo^> I had sound in Kubuntu be4 [11:41] <zAo^> who can help? [12:15] <Riddell> seaLne: because that's what kdebindings picks up as the install directory, I couldn't work out how to fix it [12:15] <Riddell> seaLne: the kderuby man says ruby needs to be configured differently [12:20] <seaLne> Riddell: is launchpad the correct place to report bugs in breezy universe? libqt0-ruby1.8 isn't listed there [12:21] <hussam> Riddell: was kdeartowrk intentionally not included in hoary's kde 3.4.2 packages? [12:25] <Riddell> seaLne: yes but there's probably lots of missing packages added after they made their package list [12:26] <Riddell> hussam: it due to a change in the seeds between hoary and breezy [12:26] <Riddell> hussam: oh sorry, different issue [12:26] <seaLne> oh and i still can't connect to the torrent tracker [12:27] <Riddell> hussam: it's because kdebase doesn't compile on breezy currently, kdeartwork depends on kdebase so I havn't made any packages yet (there's no differenence in kdeartwork between 3.4.1 and 3.4.2) [12:27] <Riddell> seaLne: could you report the tracker on ubuntu-devel, might get someone listening [12:27] <seaLne> and konq is still 3.4.1 isn't it [12:27] <seaLne> Riddell: k [12:27] <Riddell> seaLne: in breezy yes, kdebase not compiling as I said [12:28] <hussam> Riddell: ok thank you [12:28] <Riddell> any more questions? I'm about to go out of internet contact for 10 days :) [12:28] <seaLne> ooh where you off to? [12:28] <Riddell> world gathering of young friends [12:28] <seaLne> ah, have fun [12:28] <Riddell> 5 years in the planning [12:29] <Riddell> lets see if we can find any common ground between the evangelicals, the conservatives and the wishy washy europeans [12:29] <seaLne> heh [12:32] <hussam> Riddell: hope that goes well. [12:59] <martinjh99> Any udev experts arounf?? [01:28] <casadio> hi [01:28] <MisterX> where I can find "X11 header files (xfree-devel)"? They're missing! [01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi MisterX [01:29] <MisterX> hi kamping :) [01:30] <MisterX> I'm actually installing licq and its plugin (qt-gui), and when I 'make' it, i get that missing header error :( [01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> build-essential perhaps? or apt-get build-dep $programYouWantToInstall [01:31] <MisterX> What do you mean? I searched using "apt-cache search" but I found nothing. :( [01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> is what you want any of these? apt-cache search xfree |grep devel [01:32] <MisterX> ok, I'll search now [01:37] <MisterX> I couldn't find anything needed :( [01:38] <MisterX> Hmm... I'm going to watch licq official website... maybe I'll able to find something... [01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> good luck :) [01:39] <MisterX> Thanks :) [01:42] <raven3x7> hi [01:43] <MisterX> Hi raven :) [01:43] <raven3x7> anyone else has had amarok confusing artist names? [01:44] <bao> hello, how can i install RPM files? [01:44] <bao> i am a newbie... [01:44] <raven3x7> a rescan fixes it but it seems to rhappen again after a few hours [01:45] <raven3x7> bao use alien [01:45] <bao> it says "must run as root to convert to deb format (or u may use fakeroot) [01:45] <bao> hmmm... [01:45] <raven3x7> bau sudo alien [01:46] <raven3x7> bao sorry [01:46] <bao> ok tnx [01:50] <luigino> hello everyone? sup?....well, I have installed e17 WM + entrance, made defaulting entrance modifying default-display-manager, but still goes into kde...so what's the file that makes kubuntu that says the default is kde so I can change with enlightenment? [01:51] <raven3x7> er you probably need to change the default kdm entry [01:51] <luigino> raven3x7: in fact but whats the file where to change the default?... [01:52] <luigino> like to start the default login manager is the default-display-manager... what's the one for the graphical engine? [01:52] <bao> how do i run programs that i installed using Sudo dpgk -i??? [01:53] <tvo> bao: depends on the program [01:53] <bao> well, its point2play [01:54] <luigino> bao, is it in the /usr/bin? [01:55] <bao> ehm... not easy to see, gonna try [01:55] <luigino> oh just do cd /usr/bin [01:55] <bao> found it [01:56] <luigino> good [01:56] <luigino> then call it also from your home directory [01:56] <luigino> with sudo point2play [01:56] <luigino> and have fun [01:56] <luigino> :) [01:56] <bao> tnx, works' [01:56] <zAo^> who helped me with my sound? I found it :) [01:56] <luigino> =) a beer as payment hehe [01:56] <raven3x7> lugino im not very familiar with kdm but you should be able to it from the gui. [01:57] <luigino> oh raven3x7 I tried to look in kcontrol but there's only for the login manager [01:58] <bao> anyway to put a shortcut into the menu luigino?? [01:58] <raven3x7> login manager = kdm i believe. also doesn allow you to change the default wm during login? [01:58] <luigino> no in fact :) [01:59] <luigino> that's why I'm here to ask if someone knows what's the file associated [01:59] <bao> hmmm, ok.... [01:59] <luigino> so I can put an hand and modify manually ;) [01:59] <raven3x7> hmm im using gdm which allows you to do that [02:00] <luigino> I know gdm allows that...but since I have kubuntu which doesn't have gdm... :-/ [02:04] <raven3x7> http://docs.kde.org/en/3.1/kdebase/kdm [02:05] <luigino> ok lets see [02:25] <jjesse> monring :) [02:29] <luigino> hiya apokryphos :) [02:29] <apokryphos> hey [02:29] <apokryphos> woo, amaroK 13 released [02:29] <apokryphos> s/13/1.3 [02:31] <luigino> apokryphos: I'm still fighting with kdm ahahah [02:31] <apokryphos> luigino: what's the prob? [02:32] <luigino> apokryphos: actually I made entrance (the login manager of e17) starting by default but now I'm trying to understand how to start kde with enlightenment [02:32] <luigino> because I want all the settings like sounds etc of kde [02:32] <apokryphos> you mean, start kde with entrance [02:33] <luigino> mmmm sorta.... start kde with enlightenment desktop... [02:33] <luigino> entrance is already ok [02:33] <apokryphos> use Enlightenment as the window manager, do you mean? [02:34] <luigino> yes [02:34] <luigino> by default [02:34] <luigino> I was trying to look at kdmrc config file [02:39] <phreakys> hi [02:40] <phreakys> anyone allready succesfully installed a bootsplash for ubuntu? [02:41] <apokryphos> ok, that's something quite different. I think there's something in the kde faq about that [02:41] <luigino> apokryphos: maybe around kdmrc conf file? [02:42] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell luigino about kdefaq [02:42] <apokryphos> luigino: why? That has nothing to do with kdm... [02:42] <luigino> ah [02:43] <luigino> but there should be somewhere [02:44] <luigino> a file where there's the default window manager [02:44] <apokryphos> luigino: should be what? [02:45] <luigino> a conf file where I can find the default window manager... like normally it's kde.... [02:46] <apokryphos> luigino: normally it's KWin -- that's KDE's window manager. Like I said, I think it tells you what to do in the KDE FAQ [02:47] <luigino> ok [02:47] <luigino> lemme see :)))))) [02:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: doesn't startkde explicitly run kwin ? [02:48] <nikkia> (and kdm defaults to using startkde to start a KDE session) [02:49] <apokryphos> nikkia: why would it? That sounds like a bad way to do it [02:49] <apokryphos> though I've never used anything other than kwin [02:49] <nikkia> ah [02:49] <nikkia> it does, but only if $KDEWM isn't defined [02:50] <luigino> nikkia, maybe that's why exists the kdmrc conf file? [02:50] <nikkia> luigino: no, that exists to configure kdm, nothing more [02:52] <nikkia> if you want to override a user's KDE window manager, it looks like the answer is to put a shell script that exports KDEMW=/path/to/windowmanager in ~/.kde/env [02:52] <nikkia> as startkde sources *.sh from that directory [02:53] <apokryphos> *KDEWM [02:53] <nikkia> yeah, that too [02:53] <luigino> ok lemme try man :) [02:53] <apokryphos> doesn't seem to be in the FAQ... odd; it should be. Might bug canllaith [02:53] <apokryphos> old link: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/kdewm/ [02:55] <luigino> ok I'm lookin in that page, apokryphos :))) [02:56] <luigino> there's just a paragraph: STarting KDE with other window manager [02:56] <luigino> :) [02:56] <apokryphos> It basically says to do just what nikkia said [02:57] <nikkia> gah, i hope these workmen outside aren't going to be there much longer [02:58] <nikkia> they're digging up the pavement outside the neighbouring shop, and each time they use the pneumatic drill, my monitor goes ape, and my head aches [02:58] <apokryphos> :( [03:05] <luigino> nikkia [03:05] <nikkia> yes? [03:05] <luigino> in the /.kde dir I don't have an env file [03:05] <apokryphos> create it [03:05] <luigino> shall I make one with that KDEWM=....? [03:05] <luigino> ok [03:05] <luigino> hold on [03:05] <luigino> :) [03:05] <nikkia> directory, not a file [03:06] <apokryphos> and it's ~/.kde/env/ [03:06] <luigino> ah I dont have that dir [03:06] <apokryphos> yes.... so create it [03:06] <luigino> ok [03:06] <luigino> then in inside I have to create a .profile right? [03:06] <apokryphos> bbiaf [03:07] <nikkia> luigino: no, a file that ends with .sh [03:07] <nikkia> you can pick any name [03:07] <luigino> ah then startkde will see for that file automatically or somewhere I have to tell startkde to launch that file? [03:08] <nikkia> and in that file, you need something like 'export KDEWM=/usr/bin/enlightenment' [03:08] <nikkia> luigino: kde automatically 'sources' every .sh file in that directory [03:08] <luigino> ah ok [03:08] <luigino> perfect [03:08] <nikkia> well, automatically is perhaps the wrong word, the 'startkde' script does it [03:09] <nikkia> there is a caveat tho [03:09] <nikkia> if your .profile or something else modifies KDEHOME to point somewhere other than ~/.kde, then it will look there instead [03:10] <luigino> oh I created a .profile with export KDEWM=enlightenment [03:10] <luigino> as the paragraph on da page that apokryphos gave me said [03:11] <nikkia> erm, thats just a different way of doing it [03:12] <luigino> ok lemme reboot kde [03:12] <luigino> and lets see if it works [03:12] <luigino> I'll bbiab [03:12] <luigino> and thanks :))) [03:16] <zAo^> what is a good QT p2p client? Thanks [03:16] <zzzzzsolt> hey there [03:17] <zAo^> lo [03:18] <zzzzzsolt> zAo, try valknut [03:18] <zAo^> thnx [03:19] <zzzzzsolt> do you know anything about installing kdevelop? [03:19] <zAo^> I did once :) [03:21] <zzzzzsolt> cos at the time it does little more than complain [03:21] <zAo^> what does it say? [03:21] <zzzzzsolt> kdelibs is too old [03:21] <zAo^> lol. You updated to kde 3.4.2? [03:21] <zzzzzsolt> hmm [03:22] <zzzzzsolt> nope [03:22] <zzzzzsolt> 3.4.0 [03:22] <zAo^> try that first. It will update your kdelibs 2 [03:23] <zzzzzsolt> yea but that's not in the ubuntu debs yet is it? [03:23] <zAo^> True, but there is an unofficial repo for that. [03:24] <zzzzzsolt> won't kynaptic and aptget try to uninstall it every time? [03:24] <zAo^> no [03:24] <zzzzzsolt> ok [03:25] <zzzzzsolt> where's that repo? [03:25] <radp> kubuntu has portuguese brazilian translation?? [03:25] <zAo^> sorry, donno [03:25] <zzzzzsolt> k np [03:25] <zzzzzsolt> so after i do that [03:25] <luigino> hiya again [03:26] <luigino> nikkia and apokryphos it worked by half [03:26] <luigino> because its a strange behavious [03:26] <luigino> *behaviour [03:26] <radp> kubuntu has portuguese brazilian translation?? [03:26] <nikkia> luigino: what kind of strange behaviour ? [03:27] <luigino> when I type user/pwd it starts the normal kde loading then when it says load desktop manager it fuses kde with enlightenment [03:27] <luigino> so now I see for example the desktop 0.0 as normal kde [03:27] <luigino> but the terminal is enlightenment [03:27] <luigino> and if I go in the other desktops its like enlightenment [03:27] <stagiair> howcome 'kdevelop' isn't listed when I invoke `apt-cache search kdevelop`? [03:27] <nikkia> luigino: yes, what else did you expect? [03:28] <radp> kubuntu has portuguese brazilian translation?? [03:28] <nikkia> luigino: that is a 'bug' in enlightenment, it can only handle kdestop on the first virtual desktop [03:28] <luigino> that the desktop was with enlightenment icons and theme :) [03:28] <luigino> aahhhh [03:28] <nikkia> luigino: then you don't want to change window manager, you want to create a new desktop environment [03:29] <luigino> mmmh yea [03:29] <luigino> in this case where I can tell to create a new desktop environment? [03:30] <radp> kubuntu has portuguese brazilian translation?? [03:30] <luigino> radp...did u tried first to google if it has? [03:30] <radp> luigino yes.. google and the site.. [03:31] <luigino> ah ok [03:31] <luigino> radp since it's a normal question and the site doesn't say that then maybe for now there isnt a translation [03:31] <luigino> and you maybe have to wait a bit or use english version [03:32] <radp> right.. but ubuntu has pt_br translation.. and in the site there is nothing saying about this.. thats why im asking here [03:32] <luigino> ah [03:33] <zzzzzsolt> if ubuntu has pt-br, then kubuntu does too [03:33] <radp> ok.. :) tks [03:33] <zzzzzsolt> kubuntu is ubuntu but with kde not gnome as the default [03:33] <zzzzzsolt> if i'm not mistaken [03:34] <NOVA> hi [03:34] <radp> yes.. I know.. but I just wanted to know "rightly" (sorry about the english) [03:34] <NOVA> i have got a big problem with my DVD-burning [03:34] <zzzzzsolt> by the way, i'm having minor problems with charsets [03:35] <NOVA> beocuse my kernel for kubuntu dont seen in my dmeg [03:35] <NOVA> anyone can helpme [03:36] <luigino> nikkia: there's konstruct application on da kde developer site... do you think that would hop the enlightenment's bug? [03:37] <zzzzzsolt> zAo, thanks for the tip on kde, i got a repo added to sources, it's updating like an angel now [03:37] <nikkia> luigino: umm, i'm not sure i see how konstruct has any bearing to the issue, to be honest [03:39] <zzzzzsolt> did anyone have success with mounting ntfs partitions? it used to work with debian testing [03:39] <m0> hi! [03:39] <zzzzzsolt> but since root is disabled in ubuntu and the ntfs partition is owned by root and it's read only i can't get to it [03:40] <luigino> oh...as ya know is there alternative way to make a new desktop environment by default with kde's settings like sounds? Because if from entrance I set Enlightenment, it loads enlightenment but without settings [03:40] <nikkia> zzzzzsolt: pass the uid= option to mount [03:40] <nikkia> zzzzzsolt: and/or pass the umask= option [03:40] <zzzzzsolt> hmm thanks [03:40] <m0> aehm.. is the install-radeon-debian script working for kubuntu? [03:41] <zzzzzsolt> haven't heared of that, i'll google it [03:41] <ukseong> hello for everyone~!!! [03:42] <m0> ok then: is the ATI radeon 9600 supported? i mean with a resolution of 1280x1024 depth of min 24bit and a little 3D support? [03:42] <zzzzzsolt> m0 i installed it using the ati installer [03:43] <zzzzzsolt> it worked ok [03:43] <zzzzzsolt> if not flawlessly [03:43] <m0> hm is that much work because i tried that "installer" about a year ago and it did not work for me [03:44] <m0> as i know there were no installer... at that time.. [03:44] <zzzzzsolt> there is an executable kind now [03:44] <m0> oh ok great [03:44] <luigino> re apokryphos [03:44] <zzzzzsolt> it installes the driver and kernel module and control panel [03:45] <apokryphos> luigino: you should just login to enlightenment itself... not use it only as the WM [03:45] <zzzzzsolt> then you do a fglrxconfig and it should be fine [03:45] <m0> and now: what about .deb packets... are they working with kubuntu? [03:45] <zzzzzsolt> of course [03:46] <apokryphos> m0: ones for ubuntu will obviously work; debian ones may or may not work. Generally not recommended that you use theirs [03:46] <luigino> apokryphos: yes that would mean I'll have to get some gtk editor and edit the entrance.config_db to make default enlightenment I guess.... but plus if I login to enlightenment is there a way to import kde settings like sounds in it? [03:46] <m0> hmm .. ok but i can still install from surce if there's no ubuntu packet available, right? [03:47] <apokryphos> luigino: not any easy way I know; why not use KDE? :| [03:47] <zzzzzsolt> i used ubuntu debs for debian testing cos at that time debian didn't have an ipw2200 package and it worked fine [03:47] <apokryphos> m0: of course [03:47] <luigino> apokryphos: cuz I like enlightenment esthetic's look.... ;-) [03:48] <apokryphos> luigino: I wouldn't say that E17 is really properly usable, though... there's a lot to be done there [03:48] <m0> good... so let me think: the file system isn`t very different from debian's is it? [03:48] <apokryphos> luigino: you can very easily alter kde's look to attract your aesthetic appeal ;-) [03:48] <luigino> ;-) [03:48] <apokryphos> m0: they're very similar; ubuntu is debian-based, and every six months it syncs back to give to debian [03:49] <m0> good, and the packets i can get with apt-get.. are they the same as the debian ones? [03:50] <apokryphos> Not the same; Ubuntu uses its own repositories, but it pretty much has all the things Debian ones have, or close enough to it. [03:50] <apokryphos> But yes, Ubuntu of course uses the apt package management system [03:51] <m0> great, so i'll try that now... at the moment i have kanotix installed but that is such a mess atm because of all this packet problems with KDE 3.4.2 and so on.. [03:51] <zzzzzsolt> it's so close i accidentally left an ubuntu repo in the sources on debian, and did an upgrade. next time i started debian i got a nice ubuntu greeting splash screen [03:52] <zzzzzsolt> but everything worked fine [03:52] <apokryphos> hehe [03:52] <m0> wow that's cool [03:52] <apokryphos> There's quite a few stories of people who have gone ubuntu -> debian and visa versa with apt [03:52] <apokryphos> it was easier to do with Warty, but still possible wth Hoary [03:53] <m0> ok then i'm gone for installing... version 5.04 is the newest, right? [03:53] <zzzzzsolt> no wonder though, i hear many debian developers help ubuntu now [03:53] <zzzzzsolt> yea, 5.04 [03:53] <zzzzzsolt> are you thinking about installing ubuntu or kubuntu? [03:53] <apokryphos> Indeed. And some who make the packages for Ubuntu also do it for Debian; they're reasonably tight, but there's still some cold feelings among the debian community toward ubuntu ;-) [03:54] <zzzzzsolt> hehe i bet, they stole their manpower :) [03:54] <m0> kubuntu [03:54] <m0> why? [03:54] <zzzzzsolt> just checking :) [03:55] <zzzzzsolt> i used to have gnome on debian, but as soon as i installed kubuntu i became a kde fan [03:55] <apokryphos> =) [03:55] <m0> ^^ [03:56] <zzzzzsolt> plus i really want kdevelop, i used to do things for windos with delphi, i want to do that with linux now [04:06] <luigino> I'll bbiab [04:06] <zzzzzsolt> i got kdevelop i got kdevelop :) [04:17] <seaLne> anyone here done any ruby/qt stuff? [04:17] <aseigo> some yes =) [04:18] <seaLne> i'm having problems trying to connect slots and signals [04:19] <seaLne> if i just do connect(@cases, SIGNAL('clicked(int)'), self, SLOT('casesPopup()')) i get a method_missing error for connect [04:19] <seaLne> the tutorial shows just doing connect , the bindings page has Qt::Object.connect but neither seem to work [04:20] <seaLne> the slot is defined [04:20] <seaLne> aseigo: i'm new to this so its probably something wrong im doing [04:21] <seaLne> the connect is withing the initialize block and the class is inheriting from KDE::MainWindow [04:21] <aseigo> gr. hold on.. i'll brb.. i have to log out and back in.. then i'll see what i can do to help =) [04:21] <aseigo> and btw, #kde-devel can be useful as well.. [04:27] <setite> anyoen know how to get WMP9 to work in firefox.. and w32codecs dont solve it [04:28] <phreakys> hi [04:29] <phreakys> is there a way to enable full access for a X-user? [04:32] <seaLne> full access to what? [04:34] <zAo^> how can I change my middle mouse to "go back in history", in Konqueror? Thanks [04:37] <aseigo> zAo^: it's in the web behaviour page of konqueror's settings [04:38] <tuxipuxi> hi [04:39] <tuxipuxi> heh this question is rather offtopic, but i will ask it anyway. what's the chance of getting a beamer to work with the kubuntu live cd on a laptop quickly? ;) [04:39] <zAo^> aseigo: I only can assign that to my 3rd mouse button [04:40] <aseigo> zAo^: ah.. is it right click only? oh well =) perhaps try khotkeys then ... [04:41] <aseigo> nikkia: mouse support? [04:41] <zAo^> $ khotkeys [04:41] <zAo^> ERROR: Communication problem with khotkeys, it probably crashed. [04:41] <zAo^> lol :) [04:41] <nikkia> aseigo: lack of control over what mice buttons DO [04:41] <seaLne> being able to just paste urls into anywhere on konq is brilliant [04:41] <aseigo> nikkia: ah .. well, if that's the biggest let down ... =) [04:41] <nikkia> aseigo: and as i understand khotkeys, you can't easily map multiple mice buttons to different events [04:42] <nikkia> aseigo: put it this way, if i open konq to browse, i get sick of hitting the back button on my mouse LONG before i run into lack of plugins, or shaky rendering :) [04:42] <seaLne> alt+left arrow key [04:42] <nikkia> after about the 3rd or 4th hitting the back button and nothing happening, i switch desktops to firefox :) [04:42] <nikkia> seaLne: i prefer the mouse button, its already under my thumb if i'm browsing [04:43] <zAo^> seaLne: where do I need to change the to? [04:43] <aseigo> nikkia: the back button or the mouse buttons? [04:43] <nikkia> aseigo: the mouse's back button [04:43] <nikkia> aseigo: 6 button mouse [04:43] <zAo^> :) [04:43] <apokryphos> 6-button mouses are really more popular now, and becoming more standard (our school had them) [04:43] <seaLne> aseigo: so what should a connect look like? [04:44] <aseigo> the only thing more stupid than software features that are done without thought for integration are hardware features that are done the same [04:44] <apokryphos> Makes sense that kde should have proper support for them [04:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: heck, i bought a cheapo mouse from argos the other day for my SO, and its 12 buttons!! [04:44] <apokryphos> :| [04:44] <nikkia> aseigo: every other browser supports the back button [04:44] <seaLne> nikkia: thats just excessive [04:44] <seaLne> maybe it was a keyboard with a trackball on it and not a mouse? :) [04:44] <aseigo> seaLne: can you paste your connect line again for me? sorry =) [04:45] <seaLne> connect(@cases, SIGNAL('clicked(int)'), self, SLOT('casesPopup()')) [04:45] <aseigo> nikkia: if X can see it, you should be able to use khotkeys with it [04:45] <zAo^> any idea how to change it? I only can set guestues or keyboard input [04:45] <aseigo> seaLne: aaah.. no, it is: [04:45] <nikkia> seaLne: heh, no, normal 7 buttons for a 'web' mouse, plus prev-app, next-app, page-up, page-down, and 'context' *shrug* [04:45] <apokryphos> My KHotKeys still doesn't work in Konq, even with breezy [04:46] <apokryphos> aseigo: does khotkeys launch for you? (in Kubuntu) [04:46] <aseigo> Qt::Object.connect @case, SIGNAL("clicked(int)"), self, SLOT("casesPopup()") [04:46] <aseigo> connect isn't used like a method with () [04:46] <aseigo> apokryphos: dunno. am on my suse laptop atm and am not near the kubuntu boxes to try [04:46] <nikkia> aseigo: its probably equivalent [04:46] <apokryphos> ok [04:47] <seaLne> aseigo: hmm i still get `method_missing': undefined method `connect' for Qt::Object:Class (NoMethodError) even with that [04:47] <nikkia> aseigo: ruby allows you to omit ()s if there is no precident issues [04:47] <nikkia> aseigo: so 'blah a' and 'blah(a)' are equivalent [04:47] <aseigo> seaLne: hrm. and of course you've require'd Korundum in yoru script, right? [04:47] <seaLne> yep [04:48] <seaLne> the slot is defined earlier [04:48] <zAo^> well, lets buy a new mouse :) [04:48] <aseigo> seaLne: are other Qt:: calls working for you? [04:49] <seaLne> aseigo: a good point not entirely sure it is working completly in breezy but i have a Qt::Splitter which works fine [04:50] <aseigo> hm.. ok.. then you have Qt bindings available to you ... very odd ... and you are using the latest version of Korundum? [04:50] <seaLne> the one in breezy [04:51] <seaLne> hmm yeah its not very descriptive but claims to be 3.4.2 [04:51] <aseigo> seaLne: if you want to send me your script, i can see if it works here [04:57] <jpowers> are there known issues with kde 3.4.2's kwallet and/or certificate handling? I had to disable my secure pop link b/c the certificate was bad and it didn't seem to want to accept it forever. [05:00] <m0> hey guys what is the standard root password? [05:01] <apokryphos> !root [05:01] <ubotu> well, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo [05:01] <m0> does nomoby know what the root password after the installation is? [05:01] <m0> kk sry [05:02] <apokryphos> np [05:02] <sproingie> root has no password after install [05:02] <sproingie> it's not hidden, it can't log in at all [05:02] <m0> ok but how can i get root provileges at the konsole then? [05:02] <sproingie> !sudo [05:02] <ubotu> methinks sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [05:03] <m0> can't i just enable that root account? [05:03] <sproingie> you can. you'll have to use sudo at least once to do it. [05:03] <sproingie> sudo -i will give you the equivalent of a root login shell [05:05] <m0> ok.. i like it more with a root account... why is it disabled here? [05:06] <jpowers> m0: why do you really need a root account? [05:06] <m0> and why is that thing not creating fstab entrys? [05:06] <m0> because i'm used to it [05:06] <jpowers> m0: I'm used to running windows as administrator, but that doesn't make it good or safe. [05:07] <m0> i know i don't use linux with the root account but i'm used to log into konsole with root when i do my apt-get or administration, that's why [05:09] <jpowers> I enabled root before I understood why it was done this way. [05:09] <jpowers> now I kinda wish I could go back. [05:09] <nikkia> jpowers: i went thru that, on OSX [05:09] <nikkia> jpowers: you can [05:09] <jpowers> oh [05:09] <jpowers> sweet [05:09] <nikkia> sudo passwd -d [05:10] <nikkia> actually, forget that [05:10] <jpowers> it's that easy? [05:10] <jpowers> haha [05:10] <nikkia> no :/ [05:10] <aseigo> seaLne: heehehehe [05:10] <aseigo> seaLne: QListViewItem isn't a QObject [05:11] <aseigo> seaLne: Qt::Object.connect @tree, SIGNAL("clicked(int)"), self, SLOT("casesPopup()") [05:11] <aseigo> seaLne: and voila! [05:11] <nikkia> jpowers: i thoguht there was a way to force a 'non-usable' password with passwd, thought it was -d (delete) but that sets a blank passwd :/ [05:11] <jpowers> oooh [05:11] <jpowers> yeah [05:11] <jpowers> don't want to do that [05:12] <nikkia> jpowers, sudo vi /etc/shadow then change root's password entry to ! would work [05:12] <seaLne> aseigo: ahh :) but how do i narrow it down to a specific item then? i was wanting to popup a menu when you right click on it [05:13] <aseigo> seaLne: use QListView's clicked(QListViewItem*) signal [05:13] <nikkia> jpowers: aha! [05:13] <nikkia> jpowers: i knew there was an option... [05:14] <nikkia> sudo passwd -l [05:14] <aseigo> seaLne: and yeah, #kde-devel is often better for these questions as Riddell and i arent' always around here =) [05:14] <jpowers> oh [05:14] <nikkia> (lock account) [05:14] <jpowers> thanks, nikkia [05:14] <seaLne> aseigo: cool i'll look at that, thanks, i was a bit nervous about asking newbie questions in kde-devel [05:14] <aseigo> seaLne: that's what it's there for [05:14] <seaLne> k [05:14] <nikkia> jpowers: scarily, doing that stores the old password somewhere o_O [05:15] <jpowers> yikes [05:15] <jpowers> ok [05:15] <nikkia> jpowers: since you can undo the -l by doing passwd -u [05:15] <jpowers> I'll do the /etc/shadow thing instead [05:15] <nikkia> jpowers: my guess is, it simply puts ! at the start of the shadow passwd entry, making it un-cryptable, then -u removes the ! [05:15] <nikkia> or it might use #, but all my locked accounts seem to be ! [05:16] <jpowers> ah [05:16] <nikkia> indeed, thats exactly what it does :P [05:16] <nikkia> root:!$1$0Ze0G8 .... [05:17] <nikkia> and after -u : root:$1$0Ze0G8 .... [05:18] <nikkia> jpowers, sudo passwd -d root ; sudo passwd -l root would probably restore the root password to the default [k] ubuntu state, i think [05:18] <nikkia> ie, set an empty password, then dump ! on the start [05:18] <jpowers> interesting [05:19] <jpowers> thanks, nikkia [05:19] <nikkia> thankfully, i didn't lose use of sudo during any of that messing about :) [05:19] <jk-> hi all [05:20] <jk-> what's the "kubuntu way" of loading an iptables configuration at boot ? [05:21] <luigino> hello again all.... [05:21] <nikkia> jk, no idea, i can't even see a startup for iptables in my /etc [05:21] <nikkia> jk, at least, on my kubuntu machine [05:21] <jk-> nikkia: no, me either :( [05:21] <luigino> as you know, where I can get the edb_gtk_ed tool? [05:21] <nikkia> here on my desktop, i have a hacked together iptables in /etc/init.d that just does iptables-save on stop and iptables-restore on start [05:22] <nikkia> (and does the ip6tables equivalents too, naturally) [05:22] <jk-> nikkia: yeah, i've done the same on my (debian) laptop [05:22] <nikkia> jk, i'd just copy that over then [05:22] <jk-> ok, thanks anyhow :) [05:23] <m0> aehm isn't there amule for apt-get?? [05:24] <apokryphos> !info amule [05:24] <ubotu> amule: (aNOTHER eMule P2P Client), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2.6+rc7-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 1992 kB, Installed size: 5888 kB [05:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: have you seen the news today, btw? [05:25] <apokryphos> nikkia: nope, was gonna wait to see at work. What's up? [05:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: you know that cyprus airplane crash the other day? its getting more and more bizarre [05:25] <CellarDoor> hi all [05:25] <apokryphos> yeah [05:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: they've concluded that the victims were dead 'long before' the crash [05:25] <apokryphos> Oo, what's happening? [05:25] <apokryphos> :| [05:25] <m0> why does it say: E: Couldn't find package amule [05:26] <apokryphos> nikkia: Any news on how the pilots seemed to go unconscious *before* the passengers though they were dropping? That's what happened, they were saying :| [05:26] <nikkia> 'the bodies were frozen solid, and show signs that the explosion from the crash thawed them slightly' [05:26] <CellarDoor> ooer [05:26] <apokryphos> m0: you don't have "Universe" repository enabled. Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the line with "Universe" in it [05:26] <m0> ok thx [05:26] <apokryphos> nikkia: very weird [05:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: some very serious twilighty one stuff there, IMO [05:27] <apokryphos> nikkia: but they're not putting it down to terrorism at all... no signs. [05:27] <apokryphos> Indeed. Fishy. [05:27] <nikkia> s/one/zone/ [05:27] <CellarDoor> nikkia thats the strangest thing I've heard in a while [05:27] <nikkia> CellarDoor: yeah, reminds me of 'Millenium' for some reason [05:27] <nikkia> (the film) [05:27] <CellarDoor> ah haven't seen that [05:28] <nikkia> CellarDoor: its about time travellers from the future, that start travelling to our time, and pulling people off (about to) plane crashes [05:28] <CellarDoor> speaking of wierdness... I just tried Mepis [05:28] <nikkia> CellarDoor: their future is underpopulated, and they figure we won't miss people that were going to die anyway [05:28] <luigino> no one knows what's the gtk package that contains the edb_gtk_ed tool? :) [05:29] <CellarDoor> nikkia: ah rite [05:30] <CellarDoor> This is what I posted to someone in another channel concerning my first impressions Mepis: [05:31] <CellarDoor> Mepis started up ok... KDE 3.3 looks old now but nevermind... First thing: No eth0... dunno why but I had to go into the Mepis Control thingy to turn it on and even then it kept going off again... wierd. And KDE 3.3 looks uh... old. Anti aliasing was on Mepis which was good (As I can't seem to get it to turn on in kubuntu). Wasn't wrapped with the standard app selections but thats not important. The worst thing was when I went [05:31] <CellarDoor> e of times... nothing. I thought, uh oh this looks bad. After I killed it at the power switch I was able to boot back into my familiar kubuntu desktop again... phew ! [05:31] <apokryphos> nikkia: 48 children :( [05:31] <apokryphos> (at least) [05:33] <troglodyt> 21 kids [05:33] <apokryphos> troglodyt: 21 more? [05:33] <troglodyt> 21 kids total [05:33] <apokryphos> No. Apparently 48 were children heading for Prague [05:33] <apokryphos> http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/08/15/news/crash.php [05:34] <troglodyt> ah OK.. i just read a cnn report on it... they said one source we saysing 48 kids, but they had 3 other sources saying 20 or 21 [05:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: oddly, the BBC says '17' [05:37] <apokryphos> Just reading that now [05:37] <apokryphos> it also mentions that the name of all the persons (list) has been given out... [05:38] <luigino> apokryphos and nikkia, do ya know maybe which gtk package contains the edb_gtk_ed tool? [05:38] <nikkia> luigino: not a clue [05:38] <apokryphos> nope [05:38] <luigino> ok thx :) [05:40] <apokryphos> nikkia: can you think of any possible explanation for bodies being frozen? [05:41] <apokryphos> maybe the ventilation system completely mucked up. But I still find that odd; a guy was saying that it had at least 4 ventilation systems... [05:41] <troglodyt> at 36,000 ft it's -50 [05:42] <hussam> How much time would it take to compile kernel on a P3 with 384MB ram? appoximately [05:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: not really [05:42] <CellarDoor> People pass out quiclky at high altitudes and freeze quickly too [05:42] <apokryphos> troglodyt: woah [05:42] <apokryphos> what exactly could fighter jets do? I guess check whether it should be shot down or not :| [05:42] <CellarDoor> They're still trying to figure out exactly what happened [05:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: i suspect they were fearing a 9/11 style hijack [05:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: not like there's a great number of high profile targets in greece that they'd bother crashing a plane into... the acropolis i guess, but thats material damage, not much for terrorists to gain, really [05:45] <apokryphos> I think it would be the last country on the list, and there's no big "rebels" I know against the acropolis [05:45] <nikkia> 'and also, today, muslim fundamentalists crashed an aircraft and killed 10 mountain goats' isn't much of of a attention grabber :P [05:45] <apokryphos> though it is perhaps one of the greatest architectural achievements in europe ;-) [05:46] <apokryphos> That's been ruled out, I'm sure. All but 11 were Cypriots, says the article (though not entirely sure what to believe). And chance of one of those being muslim is slim, especially in Cyprus/going to Greece [05:47] <apokryphos> re: acropolis... it's in a state already. All ugly scafolding etc :| [05:47] <nikkia> apokryphos: oh yeah, doesn't look like terrorism, i was just meaning why the F16s were scrambled... [05:47] <apokryphos> sure [05:49] <nikkia> hmmm, i suppose it was nearly an hour before the F16s met the plane [05:49] <nikkia> so freezing solid IS possible in that time [05:50] <nikkia> (and 1hr40ish before it crashed) [05:50] <apokryphos> there's just been so many "big issues" in the news lately. One after another, repeatedly [05:50] <nikkia> actually, more than that [05:50] <hussam> nikkia: when you were on Kubuntu,did you compile your own kernel? [05:50] <nikkia> hussam: i tried [05:51] <nikkia> hussam: it wasn't easy, because kubuntu's mkinitrd is bugged :P [05:51] <nikkia> hussam: i also had problems that the kernel i DID get working, wasn't very reliable, i don't know why (same sources i'm using now, so the kernel itself is fine) [05:53] <hussam> nikkia: if it does work, it won't replace the old one, just add another kernel to menu.lst right? [05:53] <nikkia> hussam: depends on how you compile it [05:54] <nikkia> hussam: if you give it a different release number, you should be alright, otherwise you have to be careful about overwriting /lib/modules/ [05:54] <hussam> nikkia: I found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=56835 [05:55] <nikkia> yeah, that should be ok, should just add a new menu item, and leave your old modules alone [05:55] <nikkia> be aware, that doing that, you will be lacking quite a few drivers that aren't in the kernel, that kubuntu installs [05:56] <hussam> nikkia: will NVIDIA kernel module build, if my source is an unpatched tarball from kernel.org? [05:56] <nikkia> hussam: yeah [05:56] <nikkia> hussam: nvidia's driver isn't all that picky about the kernel anyway [05:57] <dionysus> just out of curiousity, are there any huge differences between using ubuntu post-'apt-get install kde kdebase kde....etc' and kubuntu? [05:58] <CellarDoor> dionysus, opinions seem to be divided on that one [05:58] <dionysus> heh [05:58] <hussam> nikkia: and it is possible to have a kernel 2.6.12.4 without affecting the installed 2.6.10 in any way as long as I give different release numbers, right? [05:59] <nikkia> by default, you'll be fine with those 2 anyway [05:59] <apokryphos> dionysus: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will get you all the necessary things that come with kubuntu [05:59] <nikkia> hussam: its only when you have say, kubuntu's 2.6.10 and your own 2.6.10 that you start to run into potential problems [05:59] <nikkia> and that's why the guide uses '--custom' appended to the kernel name [06:00] <hussam> nikkia: Ok I understand that. [06:00] <nikkia> erm, -custom, rather [06:00] <dionysus> ah k cool ty apokryphos :) [06:00] <nikkia> hussam: i'd follow that guide's advice anyway, ie, build a '-custom' kernel [06:00] <nikkia> hussam, that way, if there is an ubuntu 2.6.12.4 release, you stand less chance of clashing [06:01] <CellarDoor> ooh [06:01] <nikkia> hussam: as i said though, i found 2.6.12.3 to be very unreliable under kubuntu, i don't know why, you might be alright, but i had kernel panics, freezes, the whole lot [06:01] <CellarDoor> I did an apt-get upgrade and I seem to be getting 3.4.2 packages... goodo ! [06:02] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: you must have added the 3.4.2 repository, yup [06:02] <CellarDoor> ah I thought I did, but it didn't seem to be working before [06:02] <CellarDoor> guess it is now :P [06:02] <hussam> nikkia: I guess that's why it's good we can have more than one kernel installed. [06:03] <nikkia> hussam: the great thing about grub, is that you don't need a menu item for each one, either [06:03] <hussam> nikkia: one for productivity and one for testing :) [06:03] <nikkia> hussam: you can boot an 'old stable' kernel from grub just by using the command line, and keep your menu relatively clean [06:04] <CellarDoor> hmm how do I know I've got 3.4.2 ? [06:04] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: kde-config --version [06:04] <CellarDoor> ah thanks apokryphos [06:04] <nikkia> i don't normally add a grub menu item for a new kernel until i'm sure it works, too, that way, if it falls over in the middle of the night in the first day or two, it will boot back in the stable 'known good' kernel [06:04] <apokryphos> or Help -> About in any kde app [06:05] <CellarDoor> Qt: 3.3.3 [06:05] <CellarDoor> KDE: 3.4.2 [06:05] <CellarDoor> kde-config: 1.0 [06:05] <CellarDoor> yes :D [06:06] <CellarDoor> apokryphos: apps are still saying 3.4.0, I'm supposing I might need to log out and back in again for that to change ? [06:06] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: what apps? [06:06] <CellarDoor> Konqueror is saying that its version 3.4.2 but that KDE is 3.4.0 still [06:07] <apokryphos> You should always relogin after a KDE upgrade.. if you haven't done that already [06:07] <CellarDoor> ah thought so [06:07] <CellarDoor> brb [06:09] <CellarDoor> yes [06:09] <CellarDoor> its all good [06:09] <CellarDoor> :) [06:10] <hussam> nikkia: on #NVIDIA, they told me that the kernel tarball does have the headers to compile the driver module [06:10] <nikkia> hussam, did i say it didn't ? [06:10] <nikkia> hussam, you asked if it'd work, i said 'yes' :) [06:10] <CellarDoor> Now I wonder if Konqueror will stop crashing [06:10] <nikkia> hussam, all the nvidia installer cares about, is /lib/modules/$VERSION/build being setup right, and that is done as part of the build process [06:11] <hussam> nikkia : oh sorry, I meant they said, if did not have the headers [06:11] <hussam> nikkia : did not* [06:11] <nikkia> hussam, they're liars, or stupid, one or the other [06:12] <nikkia> hussam, given that the kernel headers are part of, and required to build, the kernel, it wouldn't make much sense for them NOT to be included in the kernel tarball [06:17] <hussam> nikkia: yeah I agree with you. I was just surprised when someone in #NVIDIA told me the kernel tarball didn't have the headers. they are probably mistaken [06:18] <nikkia> hussam, they're very much mistaken: '41M /usr/src/linux-2.6.12.3/include/' [06:20] <dionysus> hussam, the only person in #nvidia who said anything was me, and I said I didn't know as I tend to use kernel-source (or linux-source as it seems to be now) packages rather than kernel.org kernels [06:22] <dionysus> anyone using a nforce4-based motherboard able to tell me if the amd74xx.ko module is what i should be irritated at for not giving me my sweet DMA or should I be looking for something else for that? [06:23] <nikkia> dionysus: its the most likely culprit [06:24] <Wizzard> ppl, where can I find the newest dcgui for Kubuntu? [06:24] <hussam> Ok nikkia, dionysus, thanks guys, I gotta go now :) [06:25] <dionysus> hmm....had hoped it was only for the older nforce boards (google seems to turn it up in reference to nforce2 chipsets more than anything else)....ah well :/ [06:26] <nikkia> dionysus: it does seem to be mostly nForce/2/3 [06:26] <dionysus> Wizzard, 0.80 is in universe, anything newer I guess you'd have to look at apt-get.org or compiling from source [06:26] <nikkia> but it lists MCP04 too, which i think is the nForce 4 [06:27] <_ubuntu> If I install KDE on ubuntu, how do I do the switch session thing? [06:27] <Wizzard> thx, dionysus [06:27] <apokryphos> _ubuntu: once you log out just select a different Session [06:28] <dean> microsoft lost her shame>> news.com.com/Microsoft,+Apple+in+iPod+patent+tussle/2100-1047_3-5830435.html?tag=nefd.pop [06:28] <_ubuntu> apokryphos: where do I do that? [06:28] <nikkia> actually, it looks like MCP04 is nForce 5, nForce 4 is CK804, also handled by the amd74xx module [06:28] <_ubuntu> apokryphos: its on the login page? [06:28] <apokryphos> _ubuntu: in the login page, buttom-left [06:29] <Tm_lag> o/ [06:29] <dionysus> nikkia, ah k cool....so I do have the right module running, its just deciding to play silly buggers on me......heh well ty for the help :) [06:29] <apokryphos> s/buttom/bottom [06:29] <nikkia> dionysus: might be worth turning on debugging, and seeing what gets printed by the module on load [06:30] <dionysus> nikkia, cool, will give that a go, dmesg sure isn't giving me anything :( [06:30] <dionysus> nikkia, ty again :) [06:30] <_ubuntu> apokryphos, thanks [06:34] <Eremit> hi [06:35] <Eremit> can someone help me with my first kubuntu installation? [06:35] <Eremit> perhaps in german? [06:35] <OculusAquilae> Eremit: german channel is #kubuntu-de [06:36] <Eremit> oh. ok. [07:01] <wincide> hi all, do someone use tomcat ?? [07:01] <wincide> i don't know how to test if a local-tomcat is running [07:02] <CellarDoor> anyone else updated to KDE 3.4.2 here ? [07:02] <CellarDoor> Cause I have a question [07:03] <CellarDoor> Where did the Control Centre go ? [07:03] <osfameron> evenin' [07:03] <CellarDoor> evenin' [07:04] <osfameron> I just tried to install Kontact on ubuntu (not kubuntu, but apokryphos pointed me in this direction) [07:04] <osfameron> and get "Cannot load part for mail: Library files for "libkmailpart.la" not found in paths" [07:04] <osfameron> hello :-) [07:05] <CellarDoor> ah rite [07:05] <osfameron> didn't work with KDE 342 rep added either [07:05] <apokryphos> osfameron: you upgraded your kde already? [07:06] <osfameron> apokryphos, um, well I asked it to reinstall Kontact [07:06] <osfameron> and was hoping that the package magicment would just do the right thing [07:06] <osfameron> :-) [07:06] <apokryphos> Should probably be ok; what's the error again? [07:06] <apokryphos> and you did of course restart Kontact, right? [07:06] <osfameron> "Cannot load part for mail: Library files for "libkmailpart.la" not found in paths" [07:07] <osfameron> yup I killed the old one before the install [07:07] <osfameron> (actually, while the files were downloading, which I *think* amounts to the same thing) [07:07] <apokryphos> as long as you restarted it once it was installing properly, no, it's fine [07:08] <osfameron> heh, I'm enjoying the no reboots part of linux :-) [07:08] <apokryphos> you don't have libkmailpart.la in /usr/lib/kde3? [07:08] <osfameron> doesn't look like it [07:09] <osfameron> nope [07:09] <osfameron> there's a whole load of other lib*.la and .so in there but not that one [07:10] <apokryphos> osfameron: can you try closing kontact, doing a sudo apt-get remove --purge kmail and then reinstalling just kmail? [07:10] <apokryphos> that la should come with kmail.. no idea why you don't have it :| [07:10] <osfameron> cool, I'll try that [07:10] <CellarDoor> Control Centre is gone from the K menu [07:11] <CellarDoor> Is that supposed to happen ? [07:11] <osfameron> apokryphos, "Package kmail is not installed, so not removed" [07:11] <osfameron> which would explain a lot [07:11] <CellarDoor> hah [07:11] <apokryphos> osfameron: :) [07:11] <apokryphos> osfameron: I guess Kontact on Ubuntu doesn't bring it in... [07:11] <apokryphos> osfameron: sudo apt-get install kdepim [07:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hey. Could I ask for a little help regarding some broken packages? [07:11] <apokryphos> that will bring in all the things that integrates with kontact [07:12] <osfameron> ah, I installed Kontact not kdepim (using synaptic, but that shouldn't make the difference) [07:12] <apokryphos> ah, so I see; kontact pack just recommends those others, doesn't depend. [07:12] <CellarDoor> The System Icon has a little kubuntu symbol on the monitor now... nice touch [07:13] <osfameron> apokryphos, thanks - I'll try installing kdepim now :-) [07:13] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: I think the System Menu now is used... not sure of the defaults though, and I don't use kmenu at all 8) [07:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Anyone? [07:14] <apokryphos> right-click -> Panel Menu -> Add to Panel -> Special Button -> System .... if you don't have it [07:14] <apokryphos> Rogue_Jedi_X: you don't need to ever ask to ask, really :) [07:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, okay then [07:15] <CellarDoor> apokryphos: hmm I thought thats what they might have intended... ok, thanks... having Control Centre back in there will put me back in my comfort zone ;P [07:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm trying to install globulation2 via backports and I get this [07:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> The following packages have unmet dependencies: [07:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> glob2: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-7) but 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 is to be installed [07:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> E: Broken packages [07:17] <apokryphos> Rogue_Jedi_X: you using the official backports? You don't have the old backport repo, do you? [07:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> There are two? The one I have is deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [07:18] <apokryphos> That's not backports, really; that's hoary-extras [07:18] <apokryphos> despite the URL ;-) [07:19] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Whoops [07:19] <Rogue_Jedi_X> !backports [07:19] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section [07:21] <Rogue_Jedi_X> hm, I think I got it now. Thanks for clearing that up [07:21] <apokryphos> if the package is genuinely broken, you might like to report it. Though, this is the #kubuntu channel, and that doesn't sound liek a kde app ;-) [07:21] <apokryphos> (not to bugzilla, though) [07:22] <osfameron> apokryphos, ta, that now has a whole load more stuff to play with :-) [07:22] <Rogue_Jedi_X> It's a RTS game. Not sure if it's KDE or Gnome, though. I think it might be just X [07:45] <wincide> does exist a qt version of firefox ???? [07:45] <wincide> i have a lot of problems with flash and konqueror [07:46] <wincide> sometimes can't show the text [07:46] <Dhraakellian> yes, there does, but only development versions, afaik [07:46] <Dhraakellian> and they're not terribly stable [07:46] <wincide> and mozilla browser needs gtk ??? [07:47] <Dhraakellian> on linux, yes [07:47] <wincide> not firefox [07:47] <Dhraakellian> XUL on linux uses gtk [07:47] <wincide> XUL??? [07:48] <CellarDoor> Does anyone know if and how to get the ubuntu update manager to work in KDE ? Does it dock in the systray ? I installed it but it doesn't start up even from the K menu [07:49] <Dhraakellian> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XUL [07:50] <CellarDoor> ooh [07:50] <CellarDoor> wait a sec [07:50] <Dhraakellian> well, so maybe I misspoke slightly [07:50] <CellarDoor> hmm the thing wont start up [07:50] <Dhraakellian> but yeah, Mozilla stuff uses gtk on linux [07:51] <CellarDoor> I just get the hourglass treatment [07:51] <wincide> *hit , i need a browser [07:51] <wincide> but not konqueror [07:51] <wincide> flash doesn't go well on konqueror [07:51] <apokryphos> Works fine here [07:51] <Dhraakellian> there's Opera, if you can't stand Firefox with gtk [07:51] <apokryphos> then again, so does my flash in FF. [07:52] <luigino> anyone here knows what should mean this :0. in this log message: Aug 15 21:12:08 localhost entrance: Opened PAM session. luigino : :0. ? [07:52] <Dhraakellian> opera uses Qt, not that you'd notice it, what with the theming [07:52] <Tm_lag> Opera sucks [07:52] <apokryphos> Tm_lag: :-O [07:52] <Dhraakellian> and it's not F/OSS, if you care about such things [07:52] <CellarDoor> was that Opera or Oprah ? [07:52] <CellarDoor> ;) [07:52] <Tm_lag> =) [07:53] <Dhraakellian> CellarDoor, I don't think Oprah is F/OSS either [07:53] <wincide> i don't want gtk :( [07:53] <CellarDoor> hahaha [07:53] <Tm_lag> yes, that's the one [07:53] <Dhraakellian> wincide, having to install gtk isn't so bad [07:53] <Dhraakellian> what gets me is the gnome deps in kubuntu [07:53] <apokryphos> Tm_lag: what's bad about Opera? [07:53] <wincide> it's installing more packagers to do the same :\ [07:53] <Tm_lag> just don't like it [07:53] <wincide> *packages [07:54] <apokryphos> Dhraakellian: yeah; little incosiderate ;-) [07:54] <Dhraakellian> (and the fact that the file dialog in the ubuntu build of Firefox is just plain annoying) [07:54] <Tm_lag> way it works, handle cookies and stuff etc [07:55] <apokryphos> Opera for Windows here; smooth/slick. [07:55] <Dhraakellian> while firefox on linux doesn't quite give me the same dirty feeling that IE on windows gives me, I still don't like it [07:55] <Tm_lag> :/ [07:55] <apokryphos> someone did a video comparison of the Gnome/KDE Open File.. dialog... very funny [07:55] <Tm_lag> I use Firefox mostly [07:56] <Tm_lag> I remember [07:56] <Tm_lag> now :/ [07:56] <nikkia> :/ [07:56] <nikkia> thankfully, it'll only be a 20 minute boot, flash, reboot [07:56] <Dhraakellian> apokryphos, I booted up to my windows partition just before I installed kubuntu [07:56] <nikkia> well, 'flash' isn't the right word [07:56] <Dhraakellian> but that was just so that I could make sure that the installation still worked [07:56] <Tm_lag> I have to use windows to get irc [07:56] <Dhraakellian> after scaling the partition down from 30GB to 10B [07:56] <nikkia> but the only reason i need to run windows tomorrow is to disable RPC2 on a new DVD+RW [07:57] <Dhraakellian> the only time I actually use Windows is when I'm on campus [07:57] <Tm_lag> (yes, I can irc with my phone but it's painful) [07:57] <Dhraakellian> if those computers could boot from CD, I'd be using a liveCD [07:57] <jeffm_> hey guys [07:57] <nikkia> Tm_lag: there ARE irc clients for linux, you know :P [07:57] <jeffm_> lol [07:57] <jeffm_> im having wireless network troubles [07:58] <Tm_lag> eh [07:58] <Tm_lag> but no drivers for my data cable [07:58] <Dhraakellian> xchat, konversation, irssi, etc [07:58] <apokryphos> d'oh, they deleted it from the drive [07:59] <jeffm_> my wireless lan card shows up on the computer, but i cant connect to any networks [07:59] <Tm_lag> haha [07:59] <Tm_lag> fucking gprs [07:59] <Dhraakellian> XiRCON? [07:59] <nikkia> tm, buy a better phone :P [07:59] <Tm_lag> yup [07:59] <Dhraakellian> what's that? [07:59] <Tm_lag> nikkia this IS better phone [08:00] <nikkia> tm, clearly not [08:00] <nikkia> tm, i can get online with mine just fine using either the data cable OR bluetooth [08:00] <jeffm_> does anyone have experience with wireless networking? [08:00] <Tm_lag> cx70 as my modem [08:00] <Tm_lag> siemens it is [08:00] <nikkia> tm, and i get ~300-400Kbps from it when i do :P [08:01] <nikkia> (which is really great knowing i can rack up a massive phone bill in mere seconds :) [08:01] <jeffm_> ping google.com [08:01] <Tm_lag> nikkia well, it's all about usb cable emulating com, normal com cable works fine in linux [08:02] <nikkia> Tm_lag: no, mine is with a USB cable too [08:02] <Tm_lag> eh [08:02] <Tm_lag> =) [08:02] <nikkia> Tm_lag: it appears as a standard USB serial port [08:02] <Tm_lag> yay [08:02] <Tm_lag> nice [08:02] <nikkia> it appears as /dev/ttyUSB0 or something [08:02] <nikkia> its more fun using rfcomm tho [08:02] <Tm_lag> maybe it's just me with no skills then ;) [08:03] <nikkia> perhaps :P [08:03] <jeffm_> google.com [08:03] <Tm_lag> jeffm_ we got it already thank you ;) [08:04] <Tm_lag> Dhra: xircon is one of the newest irc clients =) [08:05] <Dhraakellian> link? [08:05] <Tm_lag> www.xircon.com/ [08:05] <nikkia> god, i remember when xircon was all there was for GUI irc on linux [08:05] <Tm_lag> =) [08:05] <nikkia> tm, stop being evil [08:05] <Tm_lag> yup, that's the one [08:05] <nikkia> Tk/Tcl junk :P [08:05] <Tm_lag> beautiful and all ] ;= [08:05] <nikkia> tm, don't make me kick you! [08:06] <Tm_lag> =) [08:06] <nikkia> tm, in fairness... the 'whiteboard' feature was/is nice [08:06] <Tm_lag> uhm [08:06] <nikkia> really really annoys non xircon users in a channel tho [08:06] <Tm_lag> whiteboard? [08:07] <nikkia> tm, xircon has a whiteboard, it opens a drawing window, and anything you draw there is sent to everyone on the same channel(s) as you via ctcp [08:07] <Tm_lag> ah [08:07] <nikkia> likewise, if another xircon users in the same channel draws on the whiteboard, it appears on yours [08:07] <nikkia> s/users/user/ [08:07] <nikkia> of course, being Tk based, its an UGLY whiteboard, but still [08:07] <Tm_lag> =) [08:08] <Tm_lag> bah! I download irssi to windows and use it [08:09] <Tm_lag> I hate gui clients [08:10] <luigino> nikkia may I ask you if this log message: "Aug 15 21:12:08 localhost entrance: Replacing Entrance with simple login program to wait for session end. " would mean Entrance wont really start the environment I choose but starts the kdm then starts kde? [08:11] <nikkia> luigino: no idea, never used 'entrance' [08:11] <Dhraakellian> Tm_lag, why would you need windows for irssi? [08:11] <luigino> ok [08:12] <luigino> thanks anyway nikkia :) [08:12] <Tm_lag> dhraakellian I don't as soon as I get gprs working in linux, but until... [08:13] <Dhraakellian> ah [08:15] <Tm_lag> doh [08:22] <Tm_lag> I hate my life [08:26] <ValheruLord> hi all.... i have installed kubuntu but i cannot connect to internet with my ethernet connection.. my eth card is ok but when i start dhclient it receves nothing from modem [08:27] <ValheruLord> can anyone that has ideas [08:28] <yns> I'm having the same problem :) [08:28] <ValheruLord> can ubuntu device database establish my connection automatically [08:36] <Tm_lag> good enough, ChatZilla [08:38] <jake1> i am so confused [08:38] <jake1> why is it that i respond to the ! character [08:38] <jake1> what the hell is happening [08:38] <jake1> ! [08:38] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, jake1 [08:39] <jake1> ! [08:39] <jake1> !jake1 [08:39] <ubotu> jake1: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about [08:39] <jake1> !info [08:39] <Tm_lag> !weather [08:39] <jake1> no response [08:39] <jake1> someone says i respond to the bot character [08:40] <jake1> but i don't [08:40] <jake1> i already got banned from #ubuntu [08:40] <jake1> but i dnt see anything happening [08:40] <Tm_lag> =) [08:41] <jake1> Tm_lag do you notice anything? [08:41] <jake1> cuz i dnt [08:41] <jake1> and i have no clue what anyone is talking about [08:41] <Tm_lag> =) [08:41] <Tm_lag> muha [08:41] <jake1> ummmm [08:42] <jake1> ok.... [08:42] <jake1> is that a yes or no [08:42] <jake1> ? [08:55] <deinde> hello pax, need help with fat32, big problem [08:57] <deinde> anyone can help me with ubuntu crash reading file on fat32 partition? [09:02] <deinde> is there anyone? [09:02] <Tm_lag> :o [09:02] <phreakys> hi [09:03] <Tm_lag> no! don't talk to me! [09:03] <phreakys> :) [09:03] <phreakys> is there a way i can check easily whats running on what port? [09:03] <phreakys> 80 seems to be blocked :/ [09:03] <deinde> hello Tm_lag can u help me with problems with fat32 problem? [09:03] <Tm_lag> ... [09:04] <Tm_lag> did I said something? ] ;= [09:04] <deinde> ....:-( [09:05] <Tm_lag> hmm, so tell me, maybe I can help [09:05] <deinde> thank u TM_lag, when I read a file under the fat32 partition the system stop, and I can't do anything [09:06] <Tm_lag> uh [09:06] <Tm_lag> nice [09:07] <deinde> thanks! [09:07] <deinde> I make only nice errors! [09:07] <deinde> ;-P [09:08] <Tm_lag> so, system stops... the partition is in the very same HD than your root partition? [09:08] <deinde> phisically yes [09:09] <Tm_lag> hmm [09:09] <Tm_lag> any possibility to have broken partition? [09:10] <deinde> how can I get it? [09:11] <phreakys> i dont understand...something is fucking on port 80 :/ [09:11] <phreakys> and its not apache :"( [09:12] <phreakys> someone can shine a light on this? [09:13] <deinde> silly question? [09:13] <phreakys> yea, i guess :/ [09:14] <phreakys> i just need a tool that shows me whats going on, on my ports [09:14] <phreakys> you know a good one deinde? [09:14] <deinde> tell me [09:14] <deinde> but silly was for me [09:14] <phreakys> ow, ah [09:15] <deinde> for my question to TM_lag [09:15] <phreakys> ah well...no question is silly [09:15] <deinde> have u got any idea for my problem? [09:16] <phreakys> you are using windows? [09:16] <bufalo73> phreakys, nmap and top? [09:16] <phreakys> cool, tnx bufalo [09:17] <deinde> I have dual boot, I'm under ubuntu and when I try to read the fat32 partition all stop [09:17] <deinde> Tm: are u still there? [09:17] <phreakys> windows stops? [09:17] <Tm_lag> deinde oh yes [09:18] <deinde> phreakys: no ubuntu [09:18] <Tm_lag> hmm hmm [09:18] <deinde> Tm_lag: any idea to discover if partition are broken? (I never had problems with winxp) [09:19] <phreakys> hm, kill windows and try wine? :/ [09:19] <Tm_lag> =) [09:19] <Tm_lag> kill all and die? [09:19] <phreakys> lol [09:20] <bufalo73> deinde, fsck [09:20] <phreakys> yea, something like that [09:20] <phreakys> kamikaze [09:21] <deinde> bufalo73: it asks me about sever filesystem damage... [09:21] <Tm_lag> :o [09:21] <Tm_lag> =) [09:21] <Tm_lag> xD [09:21] <bufalo73> fisical or just logical? [09:22] <Tm_lag> hmm [09:22] <deinde> phreakys: I want to leave definetively win, but I need to check linux before [09:22] <phreakys> yea, go kubuntu [09:22] <phreakys> make a backup of what you can save, and kill windows [09:22] <deinde> bufalo73: before starting, it's a beginning questio: 'are u sure....?' [09:23] <Tm_lag> wfw3.11 \o/ [09:23] <deinde> phreakys: I can't actually, the computer is used by other people that need easy use... [09:23] <bufalo73> deinde, fsck always asks "r u sure" because it can f*ck the filesystem [09:23] <phreakys> well, kubuntu is easy use [09:24] <phreakys> ive installed all stuff and shit i could find to make it feel like windows for now [09:24] <deinde> phreakys: at the end I will try your solution..:-) [09:24] <Tm_lag> ! [09:24] <ubotu> Tm_lag: Bugger all, i dunno [09:24] <phreakys> k ;) [09:24] <Tm_lag> noooo! [09:25] <Tm_lag> you! shame! [09:25] <deinde> bufalo73: first message i_blocks must be 64....fix? [09:26] <bufalo73> deinde, before going on "man fsck" in other terminal [09:27] <deinde> phreakys: I need to use good music software [09:27] <phreakys> there is some stuff for linux [09:27] <phreakys> esd and glame [09:27] <phreakys> but i guess not all software is for linux yet. maybe it runs through wine though :) [09:28] <deinde> bufalo73: it is for repairing ubuntu filesystem, but ubuntu seems ok, it is reading fat32 partition I have problems [09:29] <phreakys> is there something like doskey for the linuxconsole? [09:29] <PieD> what does doskey do ? [09:29] <phreakys> im getting rsi here [09:29] <phreakys> its for shortcuts [09:29] <PieD> what kind of shortcuts ? [09:29] <CellarDoor> up arrow [09:29] <phreakys> like f3 gives the last typed line [09:29] <phreakys> or up [09:29] <phreakys> omg [09:29] <phreakys> lol [09:30] <phreakys> sorry [09:30] <PieD> .... [09:30] <phreakys> its allready included [09:30] <PieD> that's provided by default :) [09:30] <phreakys> hehe [09:30] <PieD> that's a MUST HAVE feature :) [09:30] <deinde> Tm_lag: did u abbandon me? [09:30] <PieD> (and it works far better in linux shells) [09:30] <Tm_lag> hmm [09:30] <phreakys> yea, its working :) [09:31] <deinde> Tm_lag: I think u have no ideas? [09:31] <phreakys> is there also autocomplete filename? [09:31] <deinde> come soon .... [09:31] <Tm_lag> not really [09:31] <phreakys> doskey has it ;) [09:32] <phreakys> ah well...its ok [09:32] <deinde> okay I leave now, come back after...bye and thanks [09:32] <PieD> phreakys: doskey doesn't do anything that linux shells don't do [09:33] <phreakys> ehm, my bad...its 4dos [09:33] <c0rrupt_> hello [09:33] <phreakys> just a nifty tool for dos in the old days [09:34] <c0rrupt_> im trying to install nessus, but i get the error thati need the gtk "stuff" [09:34] <c0rrupt_> Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path... [09:34] <c0rrupt_> apt-get something..? [09:35] <c0rrupt_> its the nessus 2.5.5 sh installer [09:35] <phreakys> apt-cache search nessus [09:35] <c0rrupt_> well [09:35] <c0rrupt_> i installed nesuss through apt-get [09:35] <c0rrupt_> but it was the old version [09:35] <phreakys> apt-get is fucking great [09:35] <c0rrupt_> and i couldnt add any new plugins [09:35] <c0rrupt_> yes i know [09:35] <c0rrupt_> i already used it [09:35] <c0rrupt_> for nessus [09:35] <c0rrupt_> but all i got was the old version and old plugins [09:36] <luigino> anyone using Entrance + Enlightenment DR17? [09:36] <c0rrupt_> even when i registered [09:36] <c0rrupt_> SO [09:36] <c0rrupt_> what do i need to install this bastard [09:36] <c0rrupt_> GTK [09:36] <c0rrupt_> can anyone help [09:36] <bufalo73> c0rrupt_: apt-cache search gtk+ [09:36] <pax> phreakys: have you tried alias? [09:37] <phreakys> no, ill try that. tnx pax! :D [09:37] <c0rrupt_> bufalo73, it comes up with about 50 entries [09:38] <c0rrupt_> i tried to install the libgtk2.0-dev [09:38] <c0rrupt_> but it has all of the dependencies [09:38] <c0rrupt_> which in turn have their own dependencies [09:38] <pax> phreakys: alias -p in console to see what you already have [09:38] <phreakys> ok, i installed alias [09:39] <phreakys> cool [09:40] <pax> you already have it [09:40] <pax> alias auth='tail -f /var/log/auth.log | loco' <- one mines [09:40] <phreakys> hm, no its not doing anything but showing alias ls='ls --color=auto' [09:41] <phreakys> maybe i installed the wrong package? [09:41] <pax> one of mines* [09:41] <phreakys> you made it? [09:42] <phreakys> ah, ic [09:42] <phreakys> alias commands [09:42] <phreakys> cool [09:42] <pax> you could alias 'apt-get install' with just 'install' or couple of letters :) [09:42] <pax> alias is installed by default, you just need to read about it [09:42] <phreakys> heh, thats fun [09:42] <pax> phreakys: check your .bashrc you'll find the usage [09:43] <phreakys> i got some info here http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_alias [09:43] <phreakys> i guess its the same thing [09:43] <pax> wep [09:44] <phreakys> is alias started on boot? [09:44] <Tm_lag> =) [09:45] <pax> let's see: alias sagi='sudo apt-get install' :D [09:45] <pax> yes if they are in your .bashrc [09:46] <pax> if you use alias in console then they'll be gone at the end of the session [09:46] <phreakys> lol [09:46] <phreakys> yea, thats a good one [09:46] <pax> alias the command I mean [09:46] <phreakys> arg [09:47] <phreakys> cant save em? [09:47] <Tm_lag> =) [09:47] <phreakys> alias path='echo $path' [09:48] <pax> so now typing 'sagi kvirc' will get you kvirc [09:48] <phreakys> :) [09:48] <pax> yeah great feature for lazy people like myself :c) [09:48] <phreakys> hehe [09:48] <phreakys> yea, but cant save the aliases somewhere? [09:49] <pax> if you put your alias in .bashrc then they are saved forever [09:49] <phreakys> ah great [09:49] <nikkia> pax, i wouldn't bother 'sagi kvirc'ing tho :P [09:49] <nikkia> pax, the version in the repos is about 2 years out of date :P [09:49] <pax> look at your .bashrc you'll find a section for alias there [09:50] <phreakys> i tried the command tail, but now my terminal freezes :) [09:50] <phreakys> whats it for? [09:51] <nikkia> phreakys: it shows the last few lines of a file [09:51] <phreakys> ah, cool [09:51] <pax> nikkia: I dun like kvirc either :c) [09:51] <nikkia> phreakys: without a filename passed to it, it assumes you want to 'tail' the input, so its waiting for the end of file from the console :) [09:51] <phreakys> i found the bashrc btw [09:51] <nikkia> pax, freak! [09:51] <phreakys> ah :) [09:52] <nikkia> phreakys: lots of unix commands work on stdin without a specified filename [09:52] <phreakys> im kinda new to it all nikkia :) [09:52] <nikkia> its so you can do stuff like 'grep -i failed /var/log/auth.log | tail -5' [09:52] <pax> alias syslog='tail -f /var/log/syslog' [09:52] <phreakys> ah, like getting errormessages? [09:52] <pax> if you want colored logs, install loco [09:53] <pax> then it becomes alias syslog='tail -f /var/log/syslog | loco' [09:53] <nikkia> phreakys: that command i wrote above, looks in the auth log (which is where security related messages go) and finds all lines with 'failed' in them, and then only prints the last 5 [09:53] <pax> >:c) [09:53] <phreakys> sweet [09:54] <phreakys> ill put some cool aliases in [09:54] <pax> wep, grep is good for that [09:55] <phreakys> ehm, alias grep -i failed /var/log/aut.log | tail -5 ? [09:55] <phreakys> arg [09:55] <nikkia> phreakys: i wouldn't bother aliasing that, it was just an example of how piping commands works :) [09:55] <phreakys> ah ok :) [09:55] <nikkia> phreakys: its not a particularly useful command, unless you want to see the last 5 failed things :) [09:56] <phreakys> hell yea, its a cool feature :) [09:56] <pax> phreakys: so still comperaring dos to linux emulators? [09:56] <phreakys> naaah [09:56] <phreakys> this rules, but gotta know how to use it first ;) [09:57] <CellarDoor> hey folks, has anyone in here ever done this: "sudo apt-get moo" [09:57] <nikkia> CellarDoor: yes, and i'm still waiting for my lawyer to get back to me on suing the author of apt-get for my 10 seconds of my life back! [09:57] <CellarDoor> hahahaha [09:58] <luigino> people.... which file should read the default-display-manager and then launch the login manager in it? [09:58] <phreakys> i made sacs to :) [09:58] <nikkia> phreakys: i'll let you into a secret... [09:59] <phreakys> cool [09:59] <nikkia> after a few years of using linux, you'll give up on using aliases, because they're a bit of a pointless waste of time once you can type fast enough and know the commands well enough :) [09:59] <phreakys> sagi [10:00] <phreakys> now thats 2 seconds faster [10:00] <phreakys> than sudo apt-get install [10:00] <nikkia> there are just too many potential combinations of commands, and its too much hassle to bother setting up aliases each time you try a new distro :) [10:00] <phreakys> yea, i guess ur right. but its fun anyhow [10:00] <pax> yes, try aptitude -v moo [10:00] <phreakys> i just stumbled on a program called satan [10:00] <nikkia> phreakys: oh, yeah, everyone does it, at first [10:01] <phreakys> its fun those shortcuts [10:01] <nikkia> phreakys: i'm just saying, its something you'll give up on eventually, once you know the commands [10:01] <pax> and .. aptitude -v -v moo [10:01] <phreakys> ok :) [10:01] <pax> nikkia: lazy stays lasy (me) :D [10:01] <nikkia> i don't think i know anyone thats been using unix systems for more than 5 years that uses aliases other than 'ls='ls --color=auto' :) [10:02] <bufalo73> pax, apt-get moo? ;) [10:02] <phreakys> its cool [10:02] <phreakys> cool command [10:02] <phreakys> nice colours :D [10:02] <phreakys> can i make an alias of dir and replace it with ls? [10:03] <nikkia> phreakys: nah, a cool command is when you start to write 1 liners that are about 500-600 characters long, and do some incredibly complicated task :) [10:03] <nikkia> phreakys: um, no :P [10:03] <phreakys> ah k [10:03] <nikkia> phreakys: try typing 'dir' :) [10:03] <phreakys> yea, i know ;) [10:03] <nikkia> you could if you wanted, but really, whats the point, dir IS an alias to ls, effectively [10:04] <phreakys> List Stuff or what does it stand for? [10:04] <bufalo73> nikkia: sometimes, when I have to touch windogs I do an ls :P :) [10:04] <nikkia> phreakys: officially, noone really knows [10:05] <nikkia> phreakys: it was just a shortcut for LiSt on systems before unix though [10:05] <phreakys> ah k [10:05] <phreakys> man, im still amazed with the size of the software database i can choose of [10:05] <phreakys> repository ive im right :) [10:06] <benjamin1254> yeah same here its awsome and mostly all free [10:06] <nikkia> phreakys: even that isn't a complete set of software [10:06] <nikkia> there is a lot of more obscure apps that aren't in the repositories [10:06] <benjamin1254> brb all [10:06] <phreakys> cool :) [10:07] <phreakys> im glad ive chosen kde btw...its great [10:07] <CellarDoor> kde r0x0rz [10:07] <bufalo73> nikkia: spetially many games [10:07] <phreakys> :) [10:09] <phreakys> only thing that needs to work again is apache <) [10:18] <ValheruLord> DHCPdiscovere on sitho(etho degisiyo) to 255.255.255.255 porta 67 [10:19] <ValheruLord> No DHCpoffers receieved [10:19] <ValheruLord> no working leases in persistent database . sleeping.. [10:19] <ValheruLord> does anyone have ideas?? [10:19] <CellarDoor> does anyone have any opinions on Kpackage ? [10:20] <CellarDoor> anyone have any opinions on Kpackage ? [10:20] <debian> hello [10:21] <CellarDoor> hello [10:21] <debian> somebody know the spanish lenguage? [10:21] <CellarDoor> not me [10:21] <phreakys> kpackage is ok :) [10:22] <debian> the kubuntu is exactly than debian [10:22] <debian> not is best [10:22] <debian> not is more easy [10:22] <Tm_lag> haha [10:22] <CellarDoor> phreakys I just installed it and was wondering how it compares with kynaptic and synaptic [10:23] <Tm_lag> debian: (K)Ubuntu does have more gui approach as default [10:23] <debian> yeah [10:24] <Tm_lag> but hey, Debian IS easy :) [10:45] <phreakys> i want to reinstall apache, but when i apt-get remove apache2, nothing is really deleted [10:45] <PieD> phreakys: the config files aren't deleted, that's normal [10:45] <PieD> apt-get purge apache2 will remove them [10:45] <phreakys> when i delete the config files, and reinstall, will it write new ones? [10:45] <phreakys> ah, cool [10:46] <phreakys> thank you [10:46] <PieD> off course it will ! [10:46] <phreakys> just to be sure :) [10:49] <phreakys> ow shit [10:49] <phreakys> i removed the /etc/apache2 [10:49] <phreakys> and reinstalled with apt-get install apache2 [10:49] <phreakys> but its not back :/ [10:50] <phreakys> *dang* i should have made a backup :/ [10:50] <supernix> Hi [10:50] <phreakys> hi [10:51] <supernix> I am curious is there a program that will allow you to alter a whole group of images in a folder ? [10:51] <phreakys> ehm, i had such a program [10:51] <supernix> I wanted to adjust all the images to a certain size [10:52] <phreakys> not sure if i can recall it [10:52] <PieD> phreakys: ?? [10:52] <PieD> why didn't you do apt-get purge apache2 ? [10:52] <PieD> remove apache2 [10:52] <PieD> purge it [10:53] <PieD> and then install it ! [10:53] <PieD> you're trying to do the package manager job, but you can't do it right [10:57] <jake1> it has taken me 2 months to download Tiger [10:57] <jake1> and it is still working on it [10:57] <jake1> CRAZY [10:57] <PieD> Tiger ? Mac OS X Tiger ? [10:58] <jake1> no Windows Tiger [10:58] <jake1> yes Mac OS X Tiger [10:58] <jake1> it better work [10:58] <jake1> or i will cry [10:58] <PieD> kubuntu is better [10:59] <jake1> i wouldn't use it for Video design [10:59] <jake1> or editing [10:59] <jake1> i choose to use my G5 for that [10:59] <jake1> running OS X with Final Cut Pro [10:59] <jake1> Shake [10:59] <jake1> Massive [10:59] <jake1> Maya [10:59] <PieD> jake1: thanks, such behaviour help decreasing the quality of free softwares [11:00] <PieD> don't look at free alternatives off course [11:00] <jake1> PieD: i pirate everything [11:00] <jake1> oops... i mean [11:00] <jake1> i buy it legally [11:00] <PieD> are you proud off it ? [11:00] <jake1> proud of what? [11:00] <jake1> i get all the software from work [11:00] <jake1> i need it for work [11:01] <jake1> everyone else uses Mac OS X for work [11:01] <PieD> proud of pirating softwares [11:01] <PieD> why are you here ? [11:01] <PieD> provocation ? [11:03] <phreakys> my apache2.conf file is gone :/ [11:03] <phreakys> i believe it was std on the disk before i installed apache [11:04] <phreakys> anyone can help me plz? [11:04] <PieD> phreakys: there is no way to restore deleted files [11:04] <phreakys> arg [11:04] <PieD> apt doesn't remove configuration when removing a package, that's all [11:04] <phreakys> no, i did [11:04] <phreakys> mistake :/ [11:04] <PieD> you did a mistake, you're yet in the next part of administrators [11:04] <PieD> there are two kinds of administrators : [11:05] <PieD> those who did a mistake [11:05] <PieD> and those who are going to make one [11:05] <phreakys> ehm, yea, im the first i guess [11:05] <phreakys> but before that mistake i was the second [11:05] <phreakys> lol [11:06] <phreakys> any idea how to recover such a file? [11:06] <phreakys> its a standard apache2.conf file [11:06] <phreakys> in etc/apache2 [11:07] <PieD> phreakys: you just can't [11:07] <PieD> that's already too late [11:07] <phreakys> arg.. [11:08] <PieD> modern file systems don't allow file recovering [11:08] <phreakys> but...cant i get a new one somewhere? [11:08] <PieD> because the file is deleted, and quickly something is rewritten [11:08] <PieD> I told you already two times : [11:09] <PieD> just do apt-get remove apache2 [11:09] <PieD> then purge and then install it [11:09] <phreakys> ok, ill try to remove every trace of apache [11:09] <PieD> DON'T REMOVE MANUALLY [11:09] <phreakys> ok :) [11:11] <PieD> (to purge : dpkg --purge apache2) [11:11] <phreakys> ah, cool [11:12] <phreakys> its saying that its allready deinstalled [11:12] <phreakys> /etc/apache2 still exists though [11:12] <jake1> PieD: cuz i use Kubuntu [11:12] <jake1> that is why i am here [11:13] <jake1> however that said... i also use Mac OS X [11:13] <jake1> and there is nothing wrong with that [11:13] <PieD> and you're provocating by telling you're pirating softwares [11:13] <PieD> for me that's provocation [11:13] <jake1> i dunno... is using works software considered pirating? [11:14] <PieD> do you own a license ? [11:14] <jake1> i mean i did borrow their CDs to put it on my computer [11:14] <jake1> they do [11:14] <jake1> and i am using it for Work [11:14] <PieD> do YOU own a license ? [11:14] <PieD> did you read the license when you installed the software ? [11:14] <jake1> no i have affilation with the people who do own the license [11:14] <PieD> the EULA on microsoft softwares [11:14] <jake1> yes it supports unlimited computers [11:14] <jake1> it's not Microsoft [11:14] <PieD> no [11:15] <PieD> a license isn't unlimited [11:15] <PieD> (for proprietary softwares) [11:15] <jake1> Final Cut Pro the version we have supports unlimited amount of clients [11:15] <jake1> or computers [11:15] <PieD> there are always restrictions [11:15] <PieD> no [11:15] <jake1> YES [11:15] <PieD> computers in the enterprise [11:15] <jake1> it cost 10,000 dollars [11:15] <PieD> not for you at home [11:15] <jake1> yes this computer is part of the enterprise [11:15] <jake1> it is their computer [11:15] <jake1> they own it [11:15] <jake1> it's just at my house [11:15] <PieD> that's not what you said [11:16] <jake1> i didn't say anything along the lines of who owned the computer [11:16] <jake1> so it was up to you to decide i was stealing their software [11:16] <PieD> it's not common having at fome a computer from an enterprise [11:16] <jake1> it isn't? [11:17] <jake1> well that's news to me [11:17] <jake1> many have laptops [11:17] <PieD> I never saw people doing that [11:17] <jake1> well then you need to get out more [11:17] <PieD> I saw people owning laptops [11:17] <PieD> but no laptop given without restriction by an enterprise [11:17] <jake1> around here i can think of six different companies off the top of my head that give employees computers [11:18] <jake1> my father's laptop is given by an enterprise [11:18] <jake1> no strings attached [11:18] <jake1> he can do what he wants on it [11:18] <jake1> he has administration on it [11:18] <PieD> Does somebody know when X.org 7.0 will be available in breezy ? [11:18] <PieD> Will they package RC or only the final release ? [11:18] <jake1> but for now i gotta go [11:18] <adrack> ? [11:20] <phreakys> damn, i messed up good L:/ [11:21] <phreakys> ow plz, can anyone send me an out of the box apache2.conf file from ubuntu? [11:21] <pax> 6.8.2-x is what breezy uses [11:21] <phreakys> i messed it up :/ [11:23] <pax> oh wait, corey is saying it's already 7.0 [11:25] <nikkia> pied, not until after its released, at a guess :P [11:26] <nikkia> 7.0rc1 is not a public release [11:26] <PieD> nikkia: not public ? :/ [11:26] <PieD> I didn't know that [11:27] <nikkia> pied, try finding it from www.x.org [11:27] <PieD> the rc1 is not released :p [11:27] <PieD> currently, it's rc0 :) [11:27] <PieD> http://xorg.freedesktop.org/X11R7.0-RC0/ [11:27] <PieD> rc1 is to be released in a few days [11:27] <nikkia> yes, try finding it on www.x.org [11:28] <PieD> that website was never uptodate [11:28] <nikkia> its a 'beta' effectively, i can't see kubuntu going with a beta of X, so, like, stfu :) [11:28] <nikkia> it'll be in when its released [11:28] <PieD> http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/ [11:29] <PieD> nikkia: ok [11:29] <nikkia> yes, note THAT DOESN'T SAY 7.0 HAS BEEN RELEASED, either [11:29] <PieD> nikkia: off course I know it's not released [11:29] <PieD> but I'm surprised the rc isn't packaged for users to test it [11:29] <nikkia> pied, i doubt its even remotely stable [11:30] <phreakys> lol...found another poor chap with the same problem :) [11:30] <phreakys> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/63/2005/06/3/330096 [11:30] <phreakys> pfew [11:31] <pax> phreakys: http://ninux.net/files/apache2 just change User and Group back to www-data [11:31] <nikkia> pied, remember, 7.0 is pretty close to the complete rewrite of X that X.org promised [11:32] <PieD> really ? [11:32] <PieD> I didn't know that [11:32] <nikkia> pied, its not just 'an update', it has the Xserver stripped bare and everything modularised [11:32] <PieD> I believed they was only splitting [11:32] <nikkia> pied, read the wiki link you posted, where it says what 7.0 will be [11:32] <PieD> then that's far greater than what I expected ! [11:33] <PieD> nikkia: I only saw they're now using a new build system [11:33] <nikkia> pied, when 7.0 is released, 6.9 should be released around the same time [11:33] <PieD> (and that they have yet more "packages" than gnome :/) [11:34] <nikkia> you'll see most distros stick with 6.9 for the near future [11:34] <PieD> 6.9 rc0 was released with 7.0rc0 [11:34] <phreakys> pfew, lifesave [11:34] <PieD> mandrake developers told me 7.0 packages were on the way to cooker [11:34] <PieD> (but not for their "2006" release) [11:35] <PieD> the ubuntu wiki said breezy was going to have X.org 7.0 [11:35] <nikkia> pied, around a year from now is when i'd expect 7.0 to be available in distros, tbh [11:35] <PieD> along with the yet-dead Xgl [11:35] <PieD> fedora core 5 is likely to have it, isn't it ? [11:35] <jesusfish> crimsun: any word on those debs? [11:36] <crimsun> I'm building them right now [11:36] <nikkia> pied, if it does, it could be a very risky move by the fedora people [11:36] <jesusfish> sweet [11:36] <PieD> nikkia: how risky can it be ? [11:36] <PieD> It's only packaging [11:37] <nikkia> pied, no, its not 'only packaging' [11:37] <PieD> you have the same functionnalities in 6.9 and 7.0 [11:37] <nikkia> pied, to modularize X, means ripping large chunks of X apart, there are god only knows how many old packages that struggle with Xorg already [11:37] <nikkia> pied, functionality yes, does that mean that all the libraries will interact the same way? no [11:39] <nikkia> pied, i'm just saying it'd be a risk to go with an X that is a 'new architecture', before its been adequately tested by people willing to put up with breakage [11:39] <supernix> I was wondering if this was the correct syntax for renaming a folder of jpg files [11:39] <PieD> if everybody say that, it'll never be ready ! [11:39] <nikkia> PieD: sure it would [11:40] <supernix> I was going to write: foreach *.jpg convert -resize 1280x1024 [11:40] <supernix> would that be right ? [11:40] <nikkia> pied, you think KDE 4.0 is just going to be dumped on the public without testing? [11:40] <nikkia> supernix: that's not renaming :P [11:40] <PieD> I'm going to test it :) [11:40] <PieD> (from svn) [11:40] <supernix> nah I just wanted to resize them [11:41] <PieD> but a test from developers isn't like a test from thousands of users [11:41] <nikkia> and no, convert doesn't do inplace file operations [11:41] <supernix> not sure what you mean by inplace file operations ? [11:41] <nikkia> supernix: inplace operations are operating on a named file and saving it to the same filename [11:42] <supernix> oic [11:42] <nikkia> supernix: convert, like many unix programs, expects an input and an output filename [11:42] <nikkia> supernix: so you'd want to do, something like: mkdir NEW; for i in *.jpg; do ; convert $i -resize 1280x1024 NEW/$i; done [11:43] <nikkia> (foreach is csh, not (ba)sh_ [11:45] <supernix> ty nikkia I shall read up and learn more about this [11:45] <supernix> I am curious how come I specified 1280x1024 but it is actually doing 1280x959 [11:45] <nikkia> because its a bug in convert [11:46] <supernix> dang hmmm any work around for the bug ? [11:46] <nikkia> actually, it might not be, the bug i ran into, was that i'd specify 1280x1024 and it'd do 960x1280 or some wacky stuff [11:47] <nikkia> if its doing 1280x959 it might be 'ok' but sticking to the same aspect ratio [11:48] <nikkia> supernix: to be perfectly blunt, i've given up on stuff like that for images [11:48] <nikkia> supernix: i find its usually quicker to write a python/PIL script to do the job [11:48] <supernix> I see why [11:49] <supernix> it is also messing up on some of the thumbnails [11:49] <nikkia> IM/Convert has some general annoying things too [11:49] <nikkia> it tends to get the alpha channel on TGA files wrong, for example [11:49] <supernix> some of them look kinda funny like having grey half way through the image even though the image looks fine in full scale [11:49] <nikkia> supernix: yeah, thats another thing i've seen IM do [11:50] <nikkia> as i said, i use python/PIL :) [11:50] <supernix> I did see some ruby and tcl and perl front ends for the imagemagick program but not sure what to do with them or how they work [11:50] <phreakys> hm, apache works again, but the virtual hosts wont work. i checked /sites-enabled/000-default and edited this: [11:50] <phreakys> http://pastebin.com/337780 [11:50] <nikkia> if you even remotely know your way around python, it takes about 20 minutes to learn how to do image processing things :) [11:50] <nikkia> supernix: no, PIL is a far better bet, if you use a front end to IM, you'll still be constrained by its flaws [11:50] <phreakys> did i forget anything in this debian config? [11:51] <supernix> nikkia: are you saying that python can do image editing like that by itself ? [11:51] <nikkia> supernix: with PIL installed, yes [11:51] <nikkia> supernix: and more [11:51] <supernix> ah I didn't know that [11:51] <supernix> I was thinking about learning a programming language looks like python might be what I need [11:52] <supernix> hmmm as I recall mailman is totally written in python [11:52] <nikkia> supernix: you could resize all files to 1280x1024 with the following python: import Image import sys files = sys.argv[1:] for i in files: im = Image.open(i) new_im = im.resize((1280,1024)) new_im.save(i) [11:53] <nikkia> (obviously you'd need to break those lines up, and get the indentation right) [11:53] <supernix> They need a shell script for that [11:54] <supernix> Something that asks the destination and file types and then poof your done [11:54] <[Surge] > How do I find a package that contains a file i need? I'm using synaptic but can't find the file. [11:54] <nikkia> but the fact is, its almost shorter than the bash command line to use convert... and if you want to do something else besides the resize, it gets even quicker :) [11:54] <nikkia> supernix: if you saved that to a .py file, you just run the file with *.jpg as a parameter, and it'll resize all your images :) [11:55] <supernix> :D [11:56] <supernix> I use coppermine on the server so I am betting they have a setting to do that automatically [11:57] <nikkia> supernix: [11:57] <nikkia> Ball8.png: PNG image data, 720 x 592, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced [11:57] <nikkia> nikki@nikki:/tmp/test$ ../resize.py *.png [11:57] <nikkia> Ball8.png: PNG image data, 1280 x 1024, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced [11:57] <crimsun> jesusfish: I'll have to fix it tonight; it's barfing on a trivial thing that I can't fix atm due to time. [11:58] <supernix> so you mean that is the same script you showed earlier ? [11:58] <nikkia> yes [11:58] <brk3> please please tell me amaroks going to be updated in the repos.. 1.3 is out! [11:58] <supernix> very nice indeed [11:58] <nikkia> i just typed it into an editor, took all of 30 seconds, and ran it on a bunch of .png files i had handy [11:58] <[Surge] > smbstatus is missing from the kubuntu install. Anyone know what package it's supposed to be in? [11:58] <crimsun> brk3: what repos? [11:58] <supernix> can I just copy and paste that script to a py file and it work ? [11:59] <nikkia> supernix: not exactly as it is no, you need to fix the intendation [11:59] <nikkia> supernix: want me to cut and past it in private message? [11:59] <brk3> crimsun: what're they called.. the kubuntu respitories [11:59] <supernix> sure that would be so great [12:00] <crimsun> brk3: I'm working on it tonight. [12:00] <crimsun> brk3: mine won't be official, though. [12:01] <brk3> crimsun: your the man [12:01] <brk3> where will it be? [12:02] <brk3> im so excited [12:02] <brk3> cant wait to get it [12:02] <nikkia> heh, forgot to turn flood protection on :P

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2005-08-20-#kubuntu-devel

[02:55] <allee> Riddell-awa: Info: closes: XXXX does not work with malone (at least #1487 was not closed, had to do it myself) [05:26] <tvo> # cp /boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-686 .config [05:26] <tvo> # make oldconfig [05:27] <tvo_> nm accidentally copypasting to myself in a public channel:) [06:38] <uniq> riddell-awa: hi. i'm trying to build kde 3.4.2 for hoary-ppc.. i get: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lkorganizer [06:38] <uniq> have you seen this on i386? [06:44] <allee> uniq: is kdepim-dev installed? [06:48] <allee> uniq: forget it. kdepim-dev in build from kdepim. Looks like make rules miss a -L then :( [07:02] <uniq> allee: strange thing is that the source is the one riddell-awa buildt the i386 packages from.. if he uploaded the correct sources.. which he probably did. [07:10] <allee> uniq: I know it's strange. [07:10] <allee> uniq: does 'apt-get build-dep kdepim' work for you? Here (i386 hoary) it complains about kdelibs4-dev [07:12] <uniq> no.. i build in a clean pbuilder chroot.. and i've buildt arts, kdelibs and kdebase .. they are all added to a local repo. [07:14] <allee> mhmm pbuilder fails if build-deps can't be satisfied. [07:14] <allee> When you have you the local repo in sources.list apt-get build-dep should then work too. [07:15] <uniq> deps are statisified.. this is a linking thing. [07:15] <muszilla> Hi, [07:16] <uniq> and it fails to link to something that should be provided by the kde-module (here kdepim) itself.. somehow. [07:16] <allee> uniq: yes. sorry I'm pondering why I can rebuild kdepim with kubuntu kde-3.4.2 in sources.list [07:16] <uniq> hi muszilla. [07:17] <allee> uniq: not kde-module normal lib. (later installed in /usr/lib/libkorganizer.so) [07:18] <allee> uniq: did you ever try outside pbuilder env? so you can check in there's libkorganizer.so in the build tree? [07:18] <muszilla> I am currently working on a package that uses the qt uic compiler. If I use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot or pbuilder build the uic is never called. What do I have to do to debian/rules or control or whatever file to get this thing to work? Thanks [07:18] <uniq> yes.. i refer to module as in 'part of kde' kdepim, kdenetwork, kdebase and so on.. [07:18] <uniq> allee: i don't have a hoary system to test on.. and making a clean chroot would be just like doing it in pbuilder. [07:19] <uniq> i have not preserved the buildspace yet, no. [07:19] <uniq> i'll do that now.. [07:20] <allee> muszilla: what's the error msg? [07:21] <muszilla> Basically: /usr/share/qt3/bin/moc svnlogdlg.h -o svnlogdlg.moc [07:21] <muszilla> moc: svnlogdlg.h: No such file [07:21] <muszilla> svnlogdlg.h should be generated by a call to uic [07:24] <allee> muszilla: compare makefile.am with other dir or pkgs where uic is correctly invoked. [07:48] <\sh> Riddell-awa: ping [07:48] <\sh> do we have some problems with amarok and playing mp3? [08:01] <KaiL> hi everybody. who has packages for amarok 1.3 on hoary? :) [08:02] <\sh> my amarok on breezy doesn't work at all [08:02] <\sh> (on the r200) but on the hp it works [08:02] <allee> sigh. On evry channel the same question (just dist name changes) :) [08:03] <KaiL> allee, LOL [08:03] <KaiL> wre nur fr pro-linux nett...:) [08:42] <Tonio> hi [09:20] <allee> anyone care to test wlassistant on breezy? (I've only hoary with a WLAN card) [09:21] <allee> deb-src http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary-experimental ./ [09:30] <KaiL> I'd care more about amarok 1.3 for hoary :p [09:30] <allee> KaiL: your fault ;) [09:31] <KaiL> y? [09:37] <sebas> KaiL: Just package it, should be reasonably easy to update the 1.2 version. [09:37] <sebas> Maybe someone will sponsor it and put it into a backport archive. [09:38] <KaiL> and if there a small chance to produce a problem while packaging, I'll hit the Problem ;) [09:39] <sebas> No problem, problems are there to be solved, and there are most probably people who can help you. [09:39] <sebas> There are in general two ways to get an updated package, do it yourself or wait patently. [09:42] <allee> ah, cinema time. cu tomorrow. bye [10:38] <hunger> Am I the only one that ends up with a kded that must be killed -9 after each login or eats all CPU time otherwise while blocking konqueror from doing anything? [10:38] <hunger> Maybe it is kopete/konqui fighting over control of the wallet? No idea.

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:37.810460

2005-08-03-#ubuntu-meeting

[07:47] <mdz> Keybuk: hi [07:47] <Keybuk> I did just brain sabdfl with a bread-roll, hang on, I'll go do it again [07:47] <Keybuk> (re: mjg59) [07:48] <sabdfl> greetings all [07:49] <sabdfl> from the chicken pox capital of the world... [07:49] <sabdfl> hi mjg59 [07:49] <sabdfl> Keybuk: set? [07:49] <Keybuk> yup, mdz: set? [07:51] <mdz> Keybuk: on the phone with silbs right now, but can devote some cycles here [07:51] <sabdfl> ready, steady, go [07:51] <sabdfl> +1 [07:51] <sabdfl> i win [07:52] <mdz> +1 for mjg59 upload to mani [07:52] <mdz> main [07:52] <Keybuk> +1 also for mjg59 for main [07:52] <sabdfl> all set then - mjg59, welcome aboard. elmo, could you add mjg59 to the keyring? [07:54] <Keybuk> mjg59: congrats, etc. [07:55] <mdz> mjg59: welcome aboard [07:56] <mjg59> Thanks! [07:57] <Nafallo> was that an extra meeting or something? :-) [07:57] <Keybuk> yes, an extra-ordinary meeting of the TB [07:57] <Nafallo> quick one :-) [07:58] <ogra> Nafallo, one of the "very quick apptroval for really cool features" meetings [07:58] <ogra> (the first one) ;) [07:58] <Nafallo> hehe :-) [08:06] <highvoltage> ogra: what's the really cool features? [08:09] <ogra> usplash ;) [08:20] <highvoltage> ogra: what is ubuntu express? is it the new ubuntu installer? [08:21] <Kamion> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress [08:32] <ogra> highvoltage, a livecd installer [08:52] <highvoltage> ogra: does the graphical installer have a name? [08:53] <ogra> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress [08:53] <ogra> ubuntu express :) [08:54] <highvoltage> ogra: but that's just for installing the live cd? i thought there's a gtk installer being made too, opr will that double as the live cd installer? [08:54] <Kamion> no, that was deferred [08:54] <Kamion> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalInstaller

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2024-05-13T23:20:37.815994

2005-08-03-#ubuntu-toolchain

[06:15] <fabbione> morning [11:24] <fabbione> doko: ping? [11:30] <doko> fabbione: pong [11:33] <fabbione> doko: how do i use gcc-snapshot? [11:33] <fabbione> should i just prefix my path with /usr/lib/gcc-snapshot/bin ? [11:36] <doko> yes, that should do it. And the kernel build doesn't need any shared libs, so you don't need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH [11:36] <fabbione> ok [11:37] <fabbione> i am trying to reproduce the ice on ppc [11:48] <fabbione> doko: good news or bad news? [11:48] <fabbione> which one do you want first? [11:48] <doko> you can reproduce it, but you get a preprocessed source file? [11:50] <fabbione> doko: no.. after unionfs upgrade from this morning i cannot reproduce it anymore... [11:50] <fabbione> atleast on breezy-64 chroot [11:50] <fabbione> i am testing in the normal one [11:53] <doko> hmm, nice, or not nice? ;) [12:01] <fabbione> well it's nice because we can ship the driver [12:01] <fabbione> it's not nice because we don't know if it is a code change that fixed it or something in recent gcc [12:01] <doko> you did test with 3.4 or 4.0? [12:01] <fabbione> 3.4 [12:01] <fabbione> but i did do a normal test without using gcc-snapshot [12:01] <fabbione> so i guess it's the code in unionfs to be changed and doesn't trigger the ice anymore [08:54] <jbailey> doko: Around> [09:03] <doko> jb-support: yes :-) [09:06] <jbailey> *lol* [09:06] <jbailey> Bah, you just want me to be nice to you ;) [09:06] <jbailey> I think I figured out how to morgue worked enough to find an old copy of gcc-3.4 anyway. [09:07] <jbailey> Yup, Just made a 64 bit binary that works, woohoo [09:09] <jbailey> Should I call the package libc6-amd64 ? [09:09] <jbailey> And the matching libc6-dev-amd64 [09:12] <doko> yes, sounds ok. although I hate the naming ... but it's consistent with the other ones [09:12] <doko> btw, the debian gcc-3.4 versions are still biarch, so these should work as well [09:12] <jbailey> Cool. [09:13] <doko> jbailey: will you sort it out tonight with infinity or lamont? [09:13] <jbailey> doko: I'm going to try to put together a glibc and gcc-3.4 package now that they can use. [09:17] <doko> ok, I uploaded a new 3.4 today, which FTBFS on i386. I'll send you a patch later today [09:29] <jbailey> Cool, thanks. [09:29] <jbailey> I'll also post the biarch glibc on people as soon as I have it. [09:31] <doko> ok, then maybe we can merge the changes into one gcc-3.4 upload, which laminity can use [09:31] <jbailey> *G*! [09:36] <doko> hmm, when do you plan the glibc uploads/builds? still Monday? [09:43] <jbailey> doko: Subject to the availability of Lamont or Adam, that sounds right. [09:43] <jbailey> Unless one of them was bored this weekend. [09:44] <jbailey> doko: What I'd like to do is hand them .deb's and sources and say "Install these debs. Rebuild them with their matching sources. Stuff the new binaries into the archive" [09:44] <jbailey> That way it can be done at their convenience. [09:44] <jbailey> lamont: Assuming I've got the steps right, yes? [09:47] <doko> jabiley: yes, that sounds fine. do you prepare both biarch builds (i386 and amd64)? [09:56] <lamont> jbailey: works for me. [09:56] <lamont> I'm off to a birthday party at Renn Faire all day tomorrow, but we should be able to schedule something in... [09:57] <lamont> is this just i386 we're doing funky bootstrapping stuff on, or is it more than just the one? [09:57] <lamont> back in a fdew [10:03] <jbailey> lamont: Just i386 for this round. [10:03] <jbailey> The i386-libs has a whole pile of crack in it that I'm not sure what the right answer to it is. [10:03] <jbailey> Or even how much people on amd64 actually care about producing i386 binaries yet. [10:08] <doko> jbailey: grub needs it [10:09] <lamont> jbailey: yeah, what doko said. grub is a 32-bit executable on amd64 [10:10] <jbailey> Ah, interesting. [10:13] <jbailey> Ouch: [10:13] <jbailey> checking build system type... i486-pc-linux-gnu [10:13] <jbailey> checking host system type... powerpc64-unknown-linux-gnu [10:17] <lamont> dude - that's serious multiarch [10:17] <fabbione> ahaha [10:19] <lamont> ccache sucks [10:19] <lamont> cache hit 296 [10:19] <lamont> cache miss 12401 [10:19] <lamont> that or kernel option hacking sucks [10:19] <fabbione> the latter [10:19] <lamont> the latter makes the former suck [10:22] <fabbione> i agree [10:22] <fabbione> that's why i tend to build with -j200 [10:22] <fabbione> it scrolls faster and it looks that is compiling much more [10:31] <fabbione> jbailey: to your knowledge.. how difficult it is to setup a cross compiler? [10:32] <doko> fabbione: get Dan Kegel's crosstools [10:33] <jbailey> fabbione: I don't have any troubles, but Dan's crosstools are supposed to be quite nice. [10:33] <fabbione> doko: is it packaged? [10:33] <doko> no, and the current cross build support in binutils/gcc-4.0 is a bit broken [10:35] <jbailey> doko: Do you think Lamont would kill us if we built cross compilers for every arch on every arch? [10:36] <doko> jbailey: so the build deps are: amd64-libs-dev [i386] , i386-build-deps [amd64] ? [10:36] <doko> jbailey: he doesn't have that many machines ... [10:36] <fabbione> actually i am only curious to try to build sparc and m68k on i386 [10:38] <fabbione> but given that's broken i don't think i am going to spend time on it this night [10:39] <doko> you start feeling bored during your vacations from the first day? :-P [10:39] <jbailey> it's not even his first day yet. [10:39] <jbailey> Like a Heroin addict... =) [10:39] <fabbione> ahaha [10:39] <jbailey> MUST HACK [10:39] <fabbione> unfortunatly my evening has been ruined [10:40] <fabbione> so better to hack than do nothing [10:40] <jbailey> /msg fabbione I told you bringing out the goat would be a mistake. [10:40] <fabbione> ahahhaaha

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2024-05-13T23:20:37.821186

2005-08-03-#ubuntu-motu

[12:02] <Riddell> ajmitch: where do you wiki that? [12:02] <ajmitch> Riddell: PackagingTips [12:02] <ajmitch> I should put it on ReviewingTips as well [12:05] <Tonio-> Hi there [12:06] <Tonio-> I have a little trouble with an app.... [12:06] <Mez> how'd review day go [12:06] <Tonio-> it already has a debian forder, but it seems very old informations (1 1/2 years) [12:06] <Riddell> Tonio-: remove it from the source before making the .orig file [12:06] <Riddell> KDE has the same issue [12:07] <Tonio-> and absolutly not up to date. DO you think it is better to ask the upstream if that can be remobed, or directly do it, or take that as base, and for example keep his name has maintainer in control file ? [12:07] <ajmitch> Mez: review day tends to span a couple of days, I think :) [12:08] <Mez> lol [12:08] <Mez> like bug day [12:08] <Tonio-> I did that but it seems not compliant for dh apparently... se : http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=223 [12:08] <Tonio-> I'm in very good contact with the dev (due to my old young little repo, and he didn't seem to be wrong with that... [12:08] <Mez> dholbach: ping [12:09] <ajmitch> Mez: he left [12:10] <Mez> ah [12:10] <Mez> kk [12:55] <pete> should one put (closes: #merge-bug-number) in the changelog on mergeing? [12:56] <ajmitch> at least prefix it with ubuntu [12:56] <ajmitch> eg closes: ubuntu #number [12:56] <ajmitch> althought that may be an issue if bugzilla & malone numbers overlap [01:01] <pete> does it close it automaticly as in debian? [01:03] <ajmitch> nope [01:04] <pete> ok, so then there's no great point in doing so [01:05] <ajmitch> no, it's more of a reference [01:13] <Mez> who archived packages that werent uplaoded? [01:14] <ajmitch> Mez: I did [01:14] <ajmitch> one that will go into debian [01:14] <Mez> why ? [01:15] <Mez> huh ? [01:15] <Mez> i mean php4-universe [01:15] <Mez> and mp3blaster [01:15] <ajmitch> I haven't looked at them [01:15] <Mez> they were archived [01:15] <Mez> but not uplaoded [01:15] <Mez> grr [01:42] <Tonio-> Mez: concerning kmplayer, you suggesting me adding in either depend or suggest xine/gstreamer, which I'm doing, but why koffice ???? [01:42] <Tonio-> I'm looking at the website and don't see any specific koffice reference... [01:42] <Mez> Tonio-, as it works as a koffice plugin [01:43] <Mez> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/kmplayer-0507270700/kmplayer-0.9.0a/configure.in.in [01:43] <Mez> look at that [01:43] <Tonio-> hu ? is it ? [01:43] <Tonio-> okay [01:43] <Mez> it refers koffice quite a few times [01:43] <Mez> AM_CONDITIONAL(include_koffice_support, test "$want_koffice_plugin" = "yes" -a "$have_koffice" = "yes") [01:43] <Mez> if test "$want_koffice_plugin" = "yes" -a "$have_koffice" = "yes"; then [01:43] <Mez> AC_DEFINE(HAVE_KOFFICE, 1, [If we have koffice installed] ) [01:43] <Mez> LIB_KOFFICE="-lkofficecore -lkofficeui" [01:43] <Mez> AC_SUBST(LIB_KOFFICE) [01:43] <Mez> fi [01:43] <Tonio-> ah okay, yes didn't saw that before.... [01:44] <Tonio-> I'll add in suggest maybe or is it better directly depends ? [01:45] <Mez> there's no point in a suggests if you arent going to build against the dev librarys, becuas eit wont have koffice support [01:45] <Mez> you need to know if you want to the koffice support or not [01:45] <Mez> I think ti would be a good idea [01:45] <Mez> Riddell, koffice = in main isnt it? [01:46] <Tonio-> yes I think too, but wouldn't that be resulting a dependance with koffice in the binary package ? [01:46] <Riddell> Mez: not yet [01:46] <Mez> Riddell, do you think kmplayer should be compiled with koffice support? [01:47] <Riddell> don't see why not, although I'm not sure what that would do [01:48] <Mez> nor me o_O [01:48] <Tonio-> to the moment I have a package including xine/gstreamer support [01:48] <Tonio-> do I upload it ? [01:48] <Mez> does it build ? [01:48] <Tonio-> yep [01:49] <Tonio-> ahhhhhhhh lintian complains [01:49] <Mez> it builds into a deb [01:49] <Mez> on breezy [01:49] <Tonio-> yes pbuilder is okay ;) [02:05] <Tonio-> Mez: mkplayer (builds on breezy) uploaded (but without koffice support due to missing koffice at the moment) [02:06] <Tonio-> I'm contacting the developper concerning koffice to know what features it includes, and if it is interessting I'll repackage in version 0ubuntu2 don't you think ? [02:08] <Mez> kool [02:08] <Mez> sounds like a plan [02:08] <Tonio-> is it the god way to proceed according to you ? [02:08] <Tonio-> I assume yes, because the is absolutly no reference to koffice on the website... [02:08] <Tonio-> I'll send an email to the upstream [02:08] <Tonio-> we'll see [02:09] <Mez> Tonio-, go with it, it sounds like a plan :d [02:09] <Tonio-> don't understand the expression lol ;) [02:10] <Tonio-> "sound like a plan" ??? I'm ashamed of my english.... [02:10] <Mez> Tonio, the idea sounds like a good way to progress to me [02:10] <Tonio-> okay hehe^^ [02:11] <Tonio-> my english is too "formal" at the moment... [02:11] <Mez> lol [02:12] <Tonio-> I think the package is okay this time ;) [02:13] <Mez> wtf? [02:13] <Mez> gnupg2 [02:13] <Mez> when was THAT added? [02:14] <Tonio-> 3 minutes ago [02:14] <Tonio-> I can see it on revu right now [02:14] <Tonio-> sorry, bat read... [02:14] <Tonio-> bad read... [02:34] <jasoncohen> is it possible to get mozilla-mplayer 2.85 into breezy from sid. There have been considerable aesthetic improvements and some features added since 2.70 [03:53] <Nikopol_out> Quick question: does the Debian rule of no installs in the /usr/local/ directory also apply to Ubuntu? [03:53] <Lathiat> Nikopol_out: yes, all packaged things belong in /usr [03:54] <Nikopol> ok [03:54] <Nikopol> thanks Lathiat [05:57] <Lathiat> \sh_away: figured out that pingus issues [05:57] <Lathiat> \sh_away: i was looking in the wrong file before [05:57] <Lathiat> \sh_away: the problem was in sprite_drawable.hxx, opterator= returns SpriteDrawable instead of SpriteDrawable& [06:58] <Tonio-> hi all [06:58] <Tonio-> I have a strange issue building an app.... [06:59] <Tonio-> make complains about undeclared PATH_IFCONFIG [06:59] <Tonio-> isn't ifconfig included to breezy ??? [07:00] <Lathiat> sounds like your app just isnt defining where it is [07:01] <Tonio-> absolutly [07:01] <Tonio-> isn't that supposed to en environnment variable ? [07:02] <crimsun> it's not a standard one, no [07:02] <Tonio-> ho okay ;) [07:02] <Tonio-> that helps thanks ;) [10:33] <\sh> guys..if you work on the mergers list..please assign the bugs to yourself, so I can see, that those things are tested... [10:33] <\sh> assign them first..and only after a build in your local pbuilder please change them to pending upload [10:43] <Lathiat> so [10:43] <Lathiat> time to figure out how to use revu [10:44] <\sh> pete: ping [10:44] <\sh> pete: please whitelist your email address for breezy changes ... [10:44] <\sh> pete: please have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads [10:52] <Lathiat> hrm [10:52] <Lathiat> my upload didnt include my orig.tar.gz [10:52] <Lathiat> why not :\ [10:59] <Lathiat> siretart: ping [11:31] <siretart> Lathiat: pong [11:34] <siretart> Lathiat: use parameter -S -sa for debuild/dpkg-buildpackage. your .changes file should now include the orig.tar.gz [11:45] <Lathiat> siretart: ahh [11:45] <Lathiat> siretart: -sa is what i wanted [11:46] <Lathiat> siretart: can i reupload ? [12:01] <Lathiat> siretart: ive got a debdiff for mythtv which just adds g++ to the build-depends, whats preferred, giving someone the debdiff or uploading it? [12:01] <siretart> Lathiat: better give someone the debdiff, that way more easy to review [12:01] <Lathiat> righto [12:01] <Lathiat> also why doesnt apt-cache rdepends libgmp3 show up say [12:01] <Lathiat> dhis-client [12:01] <Lathiat> whcih wont install because of missing libgmp3 [12:01] <siretart> libgmp3 is no more. it was renamed to libgmp3c2 [12:01] <siretart> propably it just need a rebuild [12:02] <\sh> dhis-client? hmmm...an app which has to be cxx transed ,-) check UniverseUnmetDeps [12:03] <Lathiat> right [12:03] <Lathiat> i knew all that [12:03] <Lathiat> im asking why rdepends doesnt show it up [12:03] <Lathiat> or does rdepends work on source [12:04] <Lathiat> hrm [12:04] <\sh> ugh [12:04] <\sh> I received a laptop testing mail... [12:04] <Lathiat> \sh: and? [12:04] <\sh> yeah I'm in... [12:04] <\sh> but who did it? [12:04] <Lathiat> oh like just then? [12:05] <\sh> who said I should be in...well...anyways :) [12:05] <\sh> lunch first...then I have to read the papers :) [12:05] <Lathiat> i faxed mine off today [12:06] <Lathiat> hm i need like a compile cluster [12:06] <Lathiat> compiling mythtv is takign years [12:07] <Treenaks> Lathiat: try freevo -- it's python :) [12:07] <Lathiat> heh [12:07] <Lathiat> well thats not really goign to help here :) [12:07] <Lathiat> testing my fix for the mythtv package [12:07] <Treenaks> ah ok [12:08] <Lathiat> the code in mythtv must suck [12:08] <Lathiat> cus mdz made it use gcc-3.3 explicitly [12:08] <Treenaks> *shudder* [12:11] <Lathiat> but [12:11] <Lathiat> missed g++-3.3 [12:11] <Lathiat> spose i could try with g++-4 and see what happens [12:15] <Lathiat> ugh [12:16] <Lathiat> all sorts of undefined reference to std:; stuff [01:24] <tseng> morn ogra [01:25] <ogra> hey tseng [01:25] <tseng> slomo: im off work today, am starting to catch up on stuff [01:34] <\sh> Lathiat: which fax number did u use for sending the formular? [01:36] <tseng> slomo: please talk to me about what patch you think we need to build tomboy [01:36] <tseng> slomo: because i can build it and run it fine [01:36] <tseng> slomo: ive uploaded it with fixed build-dep [01:37] <Treenaks> \sh: the testing agreement? [01:37] <Treenaks> \sh: to the fax number mentioned in the mail :) [01:37] <tseng> the number in the email is claire's desk iirc [01:37] <\sh> yeah..thats what I heard as well..that's why I'm asking [01:38] <tseng> i mailed it to her [01:38] <tseng> with gpg --clearsign [01:38] <tseng> email [01:39] <Treenaks> I faxed it to the number in the mail.. and a fax answered (the one ending in 49) [01:39] <Treenaks> (the number) [01:39] <\sh> ah ok...thats the one ;) [01:41] <slomo> tseng: when it compiles fine for you it may be just a gcc bug which is solved now [01:41] <tseng> ok [01:41] <\sh> send [02:02] <Nafallo> hmm, anyone else have problems with latest firefox dying? [02:03] <\sh> HAPPY SYSADMINDAY !!!! [02:03] <tseng> Nafallo: yes, seb says try after gtk+ update [02:04] <Nafallo> tseng: oki, thanx [02:04] <tseng> in an hour or so [02:04] <tseng> or more, the kernel is ahead of it [02:04] <Nafallo> \sh: the same! :-) [02:04] <tseng> dunno how many builders are currently in service [02:04] <Nafallo> hehe [02:04] <tseng> we keep talking about dropping one [02:04] <Nafallo> why? [02:04] <\sh> Nafallo: hehe :) [02:04] <tseng> to do other tests on [02:05] <Nafallo> so xorg+kernel and we're screwed for some hours ;-) [02:06] <tseng> what about xorg? [02:06] <tseng> there is no xorg [02:07] <Nafallo> hmm, ofcourse there is xorg. or are the transition to new xorg done already? [02:07] <tseng> ... [02:07] <tseng> there is no xorg uploads today [02:07] <tseng> i have no idea what you are on about [02:08] <tseng> kernel, tomboy, gtk+ [02:08] <tseng> this is the build queue [02:08] <Nafallo> I was more talking about two buildds [02:08] <tseng> comeon [02:10] <Nafallo> well. if the stuff builds, I'm happy :-) [02:47] <slomo> tseng: tomboy currently FTBFS because of broken dependencies [02:47] <tseng> i farking tested it in pbuilder [02:48] <tseng> uh [02:48] <tseng> Depends: mono-assemblies-base (>= 1.0) but it is not going to be installed [02:48] <tseng> yes [02:49] <tseng> mono-assemblies-base - Mono class library - transistion package [02:49] <tseng> should be installable [02:49] <tseng> slomo: do you see whats broken? [02:50] <tseng> OH NICE [02:50] <slomo> nope... looks really weird for me... [02:50] <tseng> Filename: pool/main/t/tomboy/tomboy_0.3.2-4ubuntu7_i386.deb [02:50] <tseng> who did that [02:50] <tseng> thats why it is broken [02:50] <tseng> mono-classlib-1.0 is waiting to be seeded [02:50] <tseng> bwar [02:50] <tseng> it will be fixed [02:52] <slomo> ok ;) and i'll be gone until tomorrow... visiting some people and brain reset as \sh would say ;) bye bye :) [02:52] <tseng> bye [02:53] <tseng> i guess i wont be getting much done today [02:53] <tseng> until this crap is seeded [03:04] <\sh> slomo: have fun :) [03:52] <Mez> got a packaging prblem [03:52] <Mez> I need to add something to my rules to clean up any .gmo files there might be [03:52] <Mez> I can search for them and pipe them to rm through xargs [03:53] <Mez> but, how do i make it so like, it wont error out if there arent any there [03:53] <Mez> find . -name *gmo | xargs rm [04:14] <Treenaks> hmm: [04:14] <Treenaks> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/29/missing_sync_update/ [04:14] <Treenaks> Mark/Space brings Windows smart phone sync to Mac [04:14] <Treenaks> Why did I assume that was sabdfl? [04:16] <jsgotangco> lol [04:44] <bddebian> Howdy [04:45] <\sh> hey bddebian [04:45] <bddebian> Heya \sh, how are you? [04:48] <\sh> bddebian: well...we had many problems today again..but after I'm leaving here, and sleeping 2h I will push my luck with the rest of the merges [04:49] <bddebian> Cool. I hope to look at some more today too [04:49] <bddebian> Sorry to hear that you are having problems btw [04:50] <\sh> bddebian: normal worklife :) [04:50] <bddebian> Aye, I heard that! :-) [05:06] <Tonio-> hi there [05:06] <tritium> Good morning... [05:06] <Tonio-> afternoon here ;) [05:06] <tritium> :) [05:07] <Tonio-> anyone here with kde 3.4.2 ? [05:07] <Tonio-> I have a strange bug I would like to be sure as general before reporting to bugzilla [05:29] <bddebian> tritium!!!!! [05:29] <tritium> bddebian, :) [05:40] <tritium> bddebian, what's up? [05:41] <bddebian> tritium: Not much man, you? [05:41] <tritium> The packers came yesterday, so I'm just waiting for the movers today... [05:41] <bddebian> Ahh. Moving this weekend? [05:42] <tritium> Yep. [05:42] <tritium> Well, our stuff gets moved. We'll stay for graduation on Aug. 6 [05:42] <bddebian> tritium: Well have "fun" :-) Moving is always fun. [05:42] <tritium> Then strart the drive home. [05:42] <tritium> start [05:43] <bddebian> Damnit, I started a wiki about merging packages yesterday and my wife got in a car accident so I lost it all :'-( [05:46] <DanielN> does someone know what is meant with "unknown symbol in module or unknown parameter" [05:46] <DanielN> im modprobing a snd module [05:46] <DanielN> or trying to ;> [05:47] <bddebian> fsck'd module? :-) [05:47] <siretart> bddebian: I hope your wife is okay! [05:49] <bddebian> siretart: Yes thank you. She was mostly just shaken up because the kids were in the car. [05:49] <\sh> bddebian: what happened? [05:49] <siretart> uuhh, sounds dangerous... [05:49] <bddebian> \sh: She was in a car accident [05:50] <\sh> sh*t [05:52] <\sh> I'm a bit worried, too, when my ex is driving with the little one [05:54] <bddebian> \sh: Yeah, it can be scary [05:55] <bddebian> crimsun: ping [05:58] <bddebian> w00t, got a + from dh [06:58] <bddebian> What's the best way to determine if ubuntu-dropped patches are necessary? It builds fine without them but there are some pretty significant changes to Makefiles?? [07:08] <Nafallo> hmm, new kismet out [07:09] <Nafallo> Primarily a bugfix and stability release ... segfaults fixed in kismet_client, better signal rendering ... [07:10] <siretart> Nafallo: is this a bugfix only release or do they add tons of new features? [07:10] <Nafallo> siretart: dunno yet. looking for the changelog :-9 [07:12] <Nafallo> added detections atleast [07:13] <siretart> Nafallo: if you think we need the new version for fixing bugs in the existing one, then go ahead. But I would not like to destabilize kismet, so if there are substantial changes, it should really be tested first by users [07:15] <Nafallo> siretart: yepp. atleast here I get a segfault everytime I turn it off. we'll see what's new. I read the changelog from SVN now :-) [07:16] <siretart> great :) [07:22] <zyga> hello [07:23] <zyga> could anyone confirm that celestia in hoary actually works instead of sigsegv's? [08:17] <infinito> \sh: im here now ;) [08:17] <\sh> ah :) [08:18] <\sh> infinito: ok..as I said...it didn't work directly without adjusting the debian/control etc. so it will get a ubuntuX version...which is not synced automatically from debian [08:19] <\sh> infinito: and because of this, you have to provide a working breezy package by yourself and the package has to go to MOTUToReview Page and you have to upload it to our REVU tool [08:19] <\sh> Informations about this u'll find at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU [08:20] <\sh> infinito: ok? [08:20] <infinito> ok [08:21] <infinito> i'm gonna start the process now... it seems it will take long, don't it? [08:21] <\sh> infinito: the package needs 3 reviews from 3 MOTUs [08:22] <\sh> infinito: and then it will be uploaded to universe, if we're discussing it with our archive master elmo [08:22] <bddebian> Eeks, we need 3 reviews? [08:22] <infinito> \sh: will it get on time to Breezy? [08:23] <\sh> infinito: i hope so...cause next month on 11th is FeatureFreeze..this will apply to universe as well as to main [08:23] <\sh> ( was it 11th?) [08:23] <\sh> yes [08:23] <infinito> \sh: have you taken a look at our package?? http://download.gna.org/gcfilms/ubuntu/gcfilms_5.3-2_all.deb [08:23] <\sh> bddebian: for new packages in universe yes [08:24] <bddebian> \sh: Ahh [08:24] <\sh> infinito: I will if this is available in our REVU tool...and: it has to be a breezy package :) [08:24] <infinito> \sh: ok [08:25] <infinito> i'll do that [08:25] <\sh> and this reminds me to put an agenda point to MOTUMeeting [08:26] <siretart> infinito: done [08:26] <infinito> siretart: thank you ;) [08:29] <infinito> i'm a bit newbie with this upload system.... can anybody help me? [08:29] <bddebian> OK darnit, torcs configure does AC_CHECK_LIB(m, sin, ...) and fails. But an objdump -T of /lib/libm.so.6 shows a weak alias for sin. Any ideas? [08:31] <\sh> yes...check config.log :) it's written there ,-) [08:31] <\sh> infinito: you build your diff.gz and .dsc with debuild -S -sa [08:31] <siretart> infinito: sure, just ask which part of the wiki pages you did not understand, so that we can improve them ;) [08:32] <\sh> then your source.changes will name your source file..and it will be uploaded with dput [08:32] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting is it ok, what I wrote there, or should I make it more clear what I want? [08:32] <bddebian> \sh: Doesn't tell me much. :-( [08:33] <infinito> \sh, siretart: im sorry, but i've never used dput before, im gonna look for info... [08:33] <\sh> bddebian: it's on my list for fixes at all...:) try to patch aclocal.m4 or whatever is testing this stuff in autotools nightmare with -fPIC or so [08:34] <\sh> infinito: it's all written on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU [08:34] <infinito> \sh: ok, thanks [08:34] <\sh> Howto upload [08:38] <herve> hello [08:38] <bddebian> Heya herve [08:38] <herve> my firefox won't survive long [08:39] <herve> that's a plot from seb128 so we all use epiphany :-) [08:39] <bddebian> \sh: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/822 [08:39] <\sh> herve: mine as well [08:39] <siretart> \sh: excellent idea, btw (regarding task forces!) [08:40] <\sh> bddebian: hmmm did u check upstream for a patch or debian? [08:40] <\sh> siretart: I hope so... [08:41] <infinito> \sh: i've uploaded the package... dont know if i did correctly.,... [08:42] <bddebian> \sh: Nope. Chech BTS? [08:42] <siretart> infinito: will be processed in 3 minutes (via cronjob) [08:42] <infinito> siretart: thank you ;) [08:43] <\sh> bddebian: yes..and upstream [08:43] <bddebian> Bah :) [08:43] <bddebian> Only \sh loves me :-) [08:43] <\sh> bddebian: if there's nothing, please report this bug to upstream with toolchain version (gcc,g++, binutils) and put something in the ubuntu bugzilla entry [08:48] <siretart> infinito: do you know lintian and linda? [08:48] <infinito> siretart: ummm i think i forgot about that, sorry.... [08:48] <\sh> hmmmm [08:48] <siretart> nm, you are new ;) [08:48] <infinito> i do know about lintian, but not about linda... [08:48] <\sh> slomo: I think i fixed imms [08:50] <infinito> siretart: lintian says "bad-distribution-in-changes-file breezy" [08:51] <siretart> infinito: lintian does not know all ubuntu specialities. you may savely ignore this error [08:51] <infinito> siretart: ok [08:51] <infinito> siretart: i've made i mistake in changelog, should i reupload the files using dput? [08:52] <siretart> infinito: and another thing, is your package already in debian or ubuntu? [08:52] <infinito> siretart: is in debian unstable [08:52] <siretart> infinito: which version is the latest in sid? and what did you change? [08:53] <infinito> siretart: on sid latest is 5.2, i've uploaded 5.3 [08:53] <siretart> infinito: what did you change? [08:53] <infinito> from debian sid to our version? [08:54] <siretart> infinito: from debian to your version [08:54] <infinito> siretart: well, firstly we released 5.3, and then changed two things form the packaging method from debian version [08:55] <infinito> siretart: added the installation for .desktop and fixed a control dependencies bug (not installing dpatch) [08:56] <siretart> infinito: ok. in this case, you should (i.e. must) give your upload version number 5.3-2ubuntu1 [08:56] <infinito> ok [08:56] <infinito> siretart: how i do changes to the files uploaded to http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ [08:57] <siretart> infinito: you dont. upload an fixed version to revu [08:57] <ogra> whats the rationale for moving away from debian ? [08:59] <ogra> infinito, did you talk to the debian maintainer if he would include your changes ? that would be the preferred way to get them in [09:00] <infinito> siretart: so what i have to do? i think i shouldn't uploaded the files so early [09:00] <ogra> since we'll have to merge this package manually which causes a huge amount of work [09:00] <ogra> (in the next release due to the ubuntu version) [09:00] <\sh> ogra: no...infinito becomes a MOTU and direct "maintainer" of this package ,-) [09:00] <siretart> infinito: thats no problem. I have enough webspace ;) [09:01] <ogra> \sh, but i still dont see any rationale to move away from debian for a minor change, sorry [09:01] <infinito> siretart: so dputing again should be ok, doesnt it? [09:01] <\sh> ogra: he wants it in ubuntu...but u r right [09:01] <ogra> is it clear that the debian version isnt updated during the next weeks ? [09:02] <siretart> infinito: yes, thats your only option atm ;) [09:02] <\sh> and I learned that I am a pkg-config noob [09:02] <infinito> we want gcfilms in breezy [09:02] <infinito> but the debioan dev is missing [09:02] <siretart> infinito: we can request a sync for gcfilms via MOTUToSync, too [09:02] <infinito> and breezy is freezing soon, so we just want to do whatever is in our hands to get it into Ubuntu [09:02] <\sh> siretart: doesn't work [09:02] <ogra> and if this is the case, wouldnt it be possible to get the .desktop file into their package ? i'm really opposed to duplicate even more work [09:02] <siretart> \sh: what doesn't work? [09:03] <\sh> siretart: a sync...the package doesn't build directly from debian [09:03] <\sh> infinito: as I understand, you're the upstream author? [09:03] <ogra> \sh, but the next version would ? [09:03] <\sh> ogra: if the maintainer is missing in debian... [09:03] <\sh> how long to adopt those packages? [09:04] <ogra> how do you know he's missing ? [09:04] <infinito> \sh: i'm one of developers, and debian/ubuntu packager for out website [09:04] <\sh> infinito said it [09:04] <ogra> infinito, you maintain it in debian ? [09:04] <infinito> ogra: i sent emails and bugreports, dont know about him... [09:05] <infinito> ogra: no no, just in our website repos (http://dl.gna.org/gcfilms) [09:05] <infinito> ogra: but the debian dev maybe is just on holidays or something like that [09:05] <ogra> infinito, could you please clearify that debian doesnt do a update in the near future ? it would be odd to have the work done twice... [09:06] <infinito> ok, im gonna try to clear this situtation [09:06] <\sh> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=319228 [09:06] <\sh> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=318614 [09:06] <ogra> infinito, thats what i mean... we can still sync it in one or two weeks.... but if we accept your package now we'll have to care for maual merging eternally [09:06] <\sh> one 13 days old and the first one (andreas jochens) 9 days [09:07] <ogra> \sh, its summer, he might be on holiday [09:07] <infinito> we (gcfilms crew) have work hard to release stable versions, and want the app on major distros. It's now in fedora and debian, but not in ubuntu [09:07] <\sh> make sense...alexander wirt sounds german ,-) [09:07] <bddebian3> Hmm, I may have reached my "usefulness" limit on the Merge list!? :-( [09:07] <ogra> \sh, every package we get in like this is one more on the next mege list... [09:07] <infinito> and the fastest way to get it in ubuntu, seems to be MOTU [09:07] <infinito> what i dont really care if its MOTU or synced [09:08] <\sh> infinito: we do care [09:08] <infinito> you are Masters, and im just newbie, so please tell me what to do ;) [09:08] <infinito> \sh: i know you care, sorry [09:08] <bddebian3> ogra: ?? [09:09] <ogra> infinito, the preferred way is always through debian :) [09:09] <\sh> infinito: it doesn't have to do with "masters" or not...it is easier to sync from debian, then to maintain 20k packages with 25 people [09:09] <ogra> bddebian3, for breezy+1 [09:09] <bddebian3> ogra: Ahh :-) [09:09] <ogra> bddebian3, you will see all your nice new firends (packages) again then :) [09:09] <bddebian3> Oh joy :-) [09:09] <infinito> ogra, \sh: i understand is easier to sync from debian [09:09] <infinito> ogra, \sh: and thats ok to me [09:09] <ogra> bddebian3, the merge list only grows... [09:10] <bddebian3> Well I have been trying to help shrink it [09:10] <ogra> bddebian3, so having one thats around 400 next time instead of 220 is quite likely [09:10] <bddebian3> Egads [09:10] <infinito> ogra, \sh: but is hard for developers to get its pcks into ubuntu this way, 'cause we need to do everything trough a debian dev [09:10] <\sh> ogra: that's not correct...many merges we did as well with the cxx trans at the same time [09:10] <infinito> ogra, \sh: and the debian dev is not always there [09:11] <ogra> infinito, if its not possible through debain, there is always a fallback to bring it in directly... [09:11] <infinito> ogra: i know, and thats whay i like ubuntu [09:12] <\sh> ogra: wasn't there a way of NMU via another DD? [09:12] <ogra> \sh, but we have a lot more packages with ubuntuX version.... the list *must* grow with every release, we only can influence the growth rate [09:13] <bddebian3> \sh: Suposed to be, but many are loathe to nmu stuff [09:13] <\sh> ogra: don't tell me :) I only work on it *eg* [09:13] <ogra> \sh, yes... imagine a double sized merge list next time... [09:13] <bddebian3> Well I'm heading home. Talk to you all in a few [09:14] <\sh> one gyros + one thuna pizza...*ugh* but I'm hungry [09:14] <\sh> bddebian3: cu later [09:14] <\sh> ogra: ok..we have to recruite more MOTUs for sure.. [09:14] <ogra> \sh, i dont say i dont want infinito's package, but i want to be sure it makes sense to add another one to the merge list for breezy+1 [09:15] <ogra> \sh, so i'm asking to chack all other opportunitys first ;) [09:15] <\sh> ogra: that's why I'm asking to have another NMU upload possibility through another DD [09:15] <ogra> check even [09:15] <ogra> \sh, why upset a DD ? he's probably at WTH in the netherlands or on holiday after being at debconf... [09:16] <\sh> hmmm...the security group can do all this.. [09:16] <ogra> \sh, we have plenty of time so asking and waiting is still feasable [09:16] <ogra> no need to make a DD angry who might not want to work with us afterwards [09:17] <infinito> well, we have other option [09:17] <\sh> ogra: asking on debian-devel doesn't cost a cent [09:17] <ogra> \sh, not at all... [09:17] <infinito> wait the DD to get back, make patches, and then sync [09:18] <infinito> if it dont get into breezy, maybe backports people can help [09:18] <ogra> yes, and if he doesnt we'll take your package from revu :) [09:18] <ogra> infinito, its fine, we have your package as a fallback :) so i can promise it will be in breezy [09:19] <Mez> sorry... highlight on backports :D [09:19] <infinito> ogra: thanks, im a happy guy :) [09:19] <ogra> infinito, its just the question if we go the quick way that causes pain afterwards it we take the long way that causes no pain later at all :) [09:20] <ogra> s/it we/or if we/ [09:20] <siretart> yeah, only one review left for wifi-radar: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=240&addadvocate=328 [09:20] <infinito> ogra: i understand [09:22] <infinito> just another question, linda says "Format args for newer-standards-version don't match Description", what can i do about that? [09:24] <siretart> infinito: lintian is not updated for new standards-version. ignore that for now [09:24] <infinito> siretart: i've uploaded 5.3-3 and the right files are 5.3-2ubuntu1, what can i do? dput again? [09:25] <siretart> jupp [09:25] <infinito> siretart: sorry :( [09:25] <siretart> infinito: nothing happened. thats the way revu is supposed to work! :) [09:26] <infinito> siretart: so dput again? [09:26] <Tonio-> little question, how do you say the opposite of "up to date" in english ? [09:26] <Tonio-> it is for a changelog modification ;) [09:27] <Tonio-> hi siretart ans infinito ;) [09:27] <siretart> Tonio-: outdated or obsolete ;) [09:27] <siretart> infinito: jupp [09:27] <Tonio-> thanks ;) [09:27] <Tonio-> obsolete is the same tha in french, good ;) I'll remember ! [09:28] <infinito> siretart: ok, uploading again.... [09:33] <\sh> does xmms on amd64 has QUEUE_CONTROL enabled? [09:34] <\sh> it doesn't look like this [09:35] <\sh> or imms is completly broken [09:41] <infinito> can anybody help me just one moment with this plase? http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/gcfilms-0507292130/linda [09:41] <Nafallo> hmm, is it just me or is those amd64 buildds down again? [09:41] <\sh> infinito: delete .ex files in debian/dir [09:42] <\sh> and forget the first linda warning [09:42] <infinito> \sh: there are not .ex files in debian/ [09:43] <infinito> \sh: so don't know what files linda refers to [09:43] <siretart> infinito: your watch, rules and probably other files still have some unecessary comments. please remove them [09:43] <infinito> siretart: thanks [09:43] <\sh> dirs docs [09:43] <\sh> and in rules the line: # Sample debian/rules that uses debhelper. [09:45] <\sh> i don't get it [09:45] <\sh> on i386 xmms has QUEUE_CONTROL enabled but on amd64 not [09:45] <\sh> now I have to fix the *censored* rules file [09:47] <Treenaks> FTFR [09:48] <\sh> FTFR? [09:49] <Nafallo> Flying Turds From Riga :-) [09:49] <Nafallo> <guess /> [09:50] <Treenaks> \sh: Fix The *** Rules [09:50] <Treenaks> Nafallo: but yes, that too :) [09:50] <Nafallo> hehe [09:51] <\sh> Treenaks: it's bad..nothing is written to that issue...:( [09:51] <\sh> s/to/about/ [09:51] <Treenaks> \sh: on ;) but not even in the policy manual? that one dictates the mandatory rules [09:52] <\sh> Treenaks: it's an issue with xmms ... it defines QUEUE_ENABLED on i386 but not on amd64 [09:52] <Treenaks> \sh: urgh.. hard-coded evil [09:53] <\sh> imms but thinks : QUEUE_ENABLED is available on all archs..so it starts to install libxmmsimms2.so and not libxmmsimms.so (which is build on amd64) [09:54] <\sh> and to be correct, I adjusted debian/rules with arch dependend configure flags and with a test which file has to be installed [09:54] <\sh> ugly but works [10:05] <infinito> \sh: im sorry... im stupid i cant find wtf happens with the dh_make files.... [10:10] <\sh> infinito: read the comments on top of the rules file...this is tested as well [10:10] <\sh> infinito: and there is a stub of dh_make rules example file comment [10:10] <infinito> \sh: i've deleted every comment on debian/rules [10:11] <infinito> \sh: dont know if this is correct... [10:11] <\sh> try it :) [10:13] <siretart> infinito: try running lintian on your .dsc file [10:14] <infinito> siretart: "W: gcfilms source: newer-standards-version 3.6.2" [10:14] <siretart> ignore that [10:14] <infinito> lintian just says that [10:15] <infinito> the one that cries about dh_make is linda [10:16] <infinito> any idea? this is the link http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=274 [10:17] <siretart> infinito: btw, (unrelated), debian/copyright needs year of copyright [10:18] <siretart> infinito: Description does not need to mention that it is a GTK2 application in the short summary [10:18] <infinito> siretart: thats debian ubnstable description [10:19] <siretart> debian/changelog should mention changes from debian to your package [10:19] <infinito> we used other, but moved to this just to look like debian version [10:19] <siretart> infinito: oh. I see. well, nobody is perfect [10:20] <siretart> and you are right, I also cannot detect right now what linda is mocking about, but I'm rather busy here [10:20] <infinito> siretart: ok thanks [10:21] <infinito> last question, how do i get it reviewed? [10:32] <\sh> some MOTUs will do it... [10:32] <\sh> and we will have another REVIEW day [10:33] <\sh> the problem is, that we are completly busy with some important merges, transitions etc. [10:38] <\sh> BUT we will review your package [10:40] <tseng> no, that was obvious [11:12] <chillywilly> oh crikey c++ templates [11:15] <\sh> yes [11:15] <\sh> and I'm lost now..this is really crappy code [11:15] <\sh> I don't see the forrest, cause of the trees all over [11:19] <siretart> \sh: Is G_Node<T> is a parametrized member function? [11:20] <\sh> siretart: i have to look..but I think not this evening anymore :( [11:20] <\sh> I just to tired...tomorrow I have to upload all the stuff I worked on [11:22] <\sh> ok...I'm done for tonight..drinking my beer and going to bed.....I need at least 8h of sleep [11:23] <\sh> night guys... [11:28] <siretart> gn8, \sh_away! [11:38] <Lathiat> siretart: gn8 really doesnt work as goodnight [11:39] <siretart> Lathiat: it does not? [11:40] <herve> sounds like "g'night" with a strong accent :-) [11:45] <Lathiat> gun-eight [11:45] <Lathiat> i suppose a really strong accent [11:45] <Lathiat> think m8, gr8, fr8 [11:49] <bddebian> fornic8 [11:49] <herve> hehe [11:50] <bddebian> OK bosses, I'm not sure what more I can do on MOTUToMerge unless we want to try the xfce packages. What's next?? [11:51] <herve> woohoo! firefox is back! [11:52] <Nafallo> herve: it is? [11:52] <herve> updated libcairo with bugfix [11:53] <Nafallo> bddebian: tell my gerbil that it is more dangerous for him to jump into the plastic on the cage than to have me looking at him? :-) [11:54] <Nafallo> herve: hmm, probably has to many deps built today for me to build them here. [11:54] <bddebian> Nafallo: Show him your boot :-) [11:54] <herve> Nafallo? I don't follow you [11:54] <Nafallo> bddebian: tsss. I'm afraid he might hurt himself :-/. [11:54] <Nafallo> herve: amd64 buildds are down again :-(. [11:55] <bddebian> It's a rodent man [11:55] <herve> ha ok [11:56] <Nafallo> bddebian: yes? I know. but I start to belive it's a mix of gerbil and kangaru. [11:57] <bddebian> Heh [11:58] <bddebian> Aren't there like Kangaroo rats or something?

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:37.838362

2005-08-03-#ubuntu-kernel

[06:15] <fabbione> morning [08:33] <fabbione> morning JaneW :) [08:36] <JaneW> hello [08:38] <fabbione> JaneW: eheh don't worry my far far away lovely lady :) [08:38] <fabbione> i don't think i will upload a kernel today [08:38] <fabbione> for 3 reasons: [08:38] <fabbione> 1) it's friday and you never break stuff on friday [08:39] <fabbione> 2) in 7 hours i will start my holidays [08:39] <fabbione> 3) i won't be able to test all the changes before 2 [08:39] <fabbione> JaneW: speaking of 2).. i need somebody to take care of my students.... [08:39] <fabbione> hey desrt [08:40] <desrt> 'sup? [08:40] <fabbione> desrt: did you grab my patch for gentoovision? [08:40] <desrt> oh no [08:40] <desrt> where is it? [08:40] <fabbione> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/gentoovision_random_o.diff [08:40] <desrt> oo [08:40] <fabbione> changelog: [08:40] <fabbione> * add first cut for randomization [08:40] <fabbione> * compile with gcc-snapshot [08:40] <fabbione> * use random -O to break the code better [08:41] <fabbione> * reduce the compile time to 200ms [08:41] <fabbione> i mean.. they RUN FAST! [08:41] <desrt> k. i seriously want actual build log support [08:41] <JaneW> fabbione: glad to hear about all 3 reasons, but especially 1 :) [08:41] <desrt> plus.. i got some suggestions from #gnome-hackers [08:41] <desrt> we should have an option to emulate different CPU types [08:41] <fabbione> btw.. gtk_timeout_add is "dangerous" [08:41] <fabbione> it tends to segfault [08:42] <desrt> hm. has never done so for me. [08:42] <fabbione> desrt: ehehe that too [08:42] <JaneW> fabbione: re your students, how long will you be gone again? A week or 2 right? Can you suggest someone appropriate to fill for you there? [08:42] <fabbione> 2... [08:42] <fabbione> desrt: it does for me if i reduce the time to 100ms [08:42] <desrt> oh no. your patch rejected :P [08:42] <fabbione> JaneW: suggesting? [08:43] <desrt> i cleaned up the source a lot compared with the one you made the changes to :P [08:43] <fabbione> JaneW: hmmm... [08:43] <fabbione> desrt: put it in a RCS :) [08:43] <fabbione> desrt: but i think we should have 2 runtime options.. --random | --use-reallog .. or something like that [08:44] <desrt> i agree [08:44] <fabbione> JaneW: i would probably suggest infinity .. but he is awake now.. so he will complain.. [08:44] <desrt> are you a C programmer? [08:44] <fabbione> desrt: not really.. i don't write code on a regular base, so it's always rusty and hackish [08:45] <desrt> it's valid for a function to return char * [08:45] <desrt> you don't have to cast to int then back to char * again [08:45] <fabbione> desrt: tell that to gcc-4.0 :) [08:45] <desrt> desrt@moonpix:~/code/desrt/gentoovision$ gcc -o gentoovision gentoovision.c `pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0` -Wall [08:45] <desrt> desrt@moonpix:~/code/desrt/gentoovision$ [08:45] <desrt> i made the change to your code... no complaint here [08:45] <desrt> hahah. gcc-snapshot [08:45] <desrt> i love it :) [08:45] <fabbione> desrt: gcc --version ? [08:46] <desrt> gcc (GCC) 4.0.2 20050720 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.1-2ubuntu3) [08:46] <desrt> Copyright 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc. [08:46] <desrt> Ce logiciel est libre; voir les sources pour les conditions de copie. Il n'y a PAS [08:46] <desrt> GARANTIE; ni implicite pour le MARCHANDAGE ou pour un BUT PARTICULIER. [08:46] <fabbione> skip the french :) [08:47] <desrt> http://manic.desrt.ca/gentoovision.c [08:47] <desrt> w/ your changes, plus some minor changes to them -- no warnings [08:48] <fabbione> i see... [08:48] <fabbione> good [08:48] <desrt> btw. the memset isn't required... sprintf will add the proper termination [08:49] <fabbione> desrt: i prefer to wipe the memory... [08:49] <fabbione> i am just paranoid about string handling. [08:50] <desrt> i think i am going to write a buildlog capture utility now :) [08:51] <desrt> perl is best, i suspect :) [08:52] <desrt> oh man.. perl makes getting high resolution timing information a pain in the butt [09:05] <fabbione> Nafallo: ping? [09:21] <desrt> oh man [09:21] <desrt> i got awesomeness [09:21] <fabbione> uh? [09:22] <desrt> http://manic.desrt.ca/gentoovision.tar.gz [09:23] <desrt> compile gentoovision.c like normal and run it out of the current directory [09:23] <desrt> (ie: so that libwnck.log is in the cwd) [09:23] <fabbione> gentoovision/gentoovision.c.rej [09:23] <desrt> eh [09:23] <desrt> your diff is in there too [09:23] <desrt> i just tarred up what i had :) [09:24] <fabbione> ahaha cool [09:24] <desrt> this is what i want :) [09:24] <desrt> btw.. build logs gzip down to about 10% of their original size [09:25] <fabbione> we should still consider doing some sed on the logs [09:25] <fabbione> for -O and gcc-snapshot :P [09:25] <desrt> :) [09:25] <desrt> yes [09:25] <fabbione> dude you should put it in a RCS [09:25] <desrt> where? [09:25] <fabbione> so we can work on it together.. after my VAC [09:26] <fabbione> RCS= cvs.. svn.. baz.. tla... [09:26] <desrt> i don't think we have anywhere that we both have accounts [09:26] <fabbione> desrt: if we use baz we don't need to share an account [09:26] <desrt> i think it's final home will be gnome cvs [09:26] <fabbione> we can just publish our branches [09:26] <desrt> *its [09:26] <desrt> k. i refuse to use baz for something like this :P [09:26] <fabbione> oh ok.. well i don't have access there [09:26] <fabbione> for small stuff it's fun to use :) [09:27] <desrt> (./configure --prefix=/opt/gnome; make -j3) 2>&1 | ~/code/desrt/gentoovision/time.pl > logfile [09:27] <desrt> ^^ this is how you generate the logs with timing info [09:27] <fabbione> desrt: i can give you the debian/ dir once it's ready... [09:27] <desrt> cool [09:28] <desrt> but i think i want to upload this upstream [09:28] <fabbione> but again.. we need to share at least one RCS :/ [09:28] <fabbione> i don't want to start fiddling with patches [09:28] <fabbione> it's a pain [09:28] <fabbione> (still after my holidays) [09:28] <desrt> i'm gonna talk to the gnome-screensaver maintainer [09:28] <desrt> nod :) [09:28] <desrt> where are you going, btw? [09:28] <fabbione> oh well.. if you get it in there directly the better [09:28] <fabbione> i will stay home... have to work in and outside the house [09:29] <fabbione> painting/doing walls and stuff [09:29] <fabbione> but i won't be spending time in here [09:29] <desrt> i should talk to sebastien and find out if breezy will use gnome-screensaver or xscreensaver by default [09:29] <desrt> cool [09:29] <desrt> it's good to get away from work [09:29] <fabbione> ehheh [09:29] <fabbione> well i work from home! [09:29] <fabbione> there is no such a thing like going away :( [09:29] <desrt> right... but to completely cut yourself off and refuse to do anything work-related [09:30] <desrt> how long have you been working for ubuntu anyway? [09:30] <fabbione> from the beginning [09:30] <desrt> how did you get involved? [09:30] <fabbione> hehh.. i got a mail from Mark, asking me if he could phone me [09:30] <fabbione> i almost trashed it as spam [09:31] <desrt> hmm. why did he email you, though? [09:31] <fabbione> but i was like.. nah.. let's see [09:31] <fabbione> somebody mentioned me to him [09:31] <fabbione> and it's some sort of nostalgic reasons [09:31] <desrt> cool :) [09:31] <fabbione> he was one of the first apache1.3 maintainers in Debian [09:31] <desrt> were you a kernel hacker before? [09:31] <desrt> or debian guy? [09:31] <fabbione> and i have been maintaing for a while ... [09:31] <fabbione> debian guy [09:32] <fabbione> than we did build the apache team [09:32] <fabbione> took down the bugs from > 200 down to 46 [09:32] <desrt> ubuntu has a nice mix of people [09:32] <fabbione> after that i got too busy again [09:32] <fabbione> and now is up to 100 and something again i think [09:32] <fabbione> i didn't do an upload in ages [09:32] <fabbione> desrt: i am a royal bastard.. how can you say that i am nice! [09:33] <fabbione> you are ruining my reputation! :P [09:33] <desrt> i wasn't talking about you [09:33] <desrt> :) [09:33] <fabbione> ah ok thanks :) [09:33] <desrt> i'd love to work for ubuntu if i had any time :P [09:34] <fabbione> desrt: ehe you are already doing your sharing of stuff [09:34] <fabbione> all the time you spent with me for the kernel headers and stuff... [09:34] <fabbione> idiotify... [09:34] <desrt> hahah [09:34] <fabbione> that's hell of a lot of work for a volunteer... [09:34] <desrt> i mean more seriously though [09:34] <desrt> my dream is to upload :) [09:34] <fabbione> you mean that the kernel is not serious enough for you? ;) [09:35] <fabbione> desrt: ehehe... start joining the MOTU's [09:35] <desrt> ya.. crimsun tried to get me involved with that [09:35] <fabbione> it's a good place to start with [09:35] <fabbione> well actually.. the only place [09:35] <desrt> :) [09:36] <desrt> but again... i'll only say that i wish i had the time [09:37] <desrt> my boss is already annoyed that i spend too much time working on gnome, etc [09:37] <desrt> he's totally good-natured about it, though [09:37] <fabbione> i understand that... [09:38] <desrt> he says things like "but don't you find the kernel to be SO MUCH more exciting than messing around with gtk?" [09:40] <fabbione> ehheheh [09:40] <desrt> actually... i suppose i can count the kernel-related stuff we've done as work-related [09:40] <desrt> since that -is- my job [09:41] <desrt> i feel a little better already :) [09:41] <fabbione> well you can still hack kernel stuff into ubuntu [09:41] <fabbione> and push stuff back [09:41] <fabbione> that's a valuable contribution [09:41] <desrt> our stuff is pretty special-purpose [09:41] <fabbione> i wouldn't mind to merge from you stuff, if you do it [09:41] <fabbione> oh in that case yeah... [09:42] <desrt> it's extremely high performance network drivers and a runtime system for a cluster [09:42] <fabbione> desrt: are they going to be GPL drivers? [09:42] <desrt> yes [09:42] <desrt> they have to be [09:42] <fabbione> well why not include them in ubuntu than... [09:42] <fabbione> at what stage is the code? [09:43] <desrt> because they really serve no purpose to anyone who isn't hacking the kernel [09:43] <desrt> i can send data across the network at full wire speed with approximately 0% CPU utilisation on both ends [09:43] <fabbione> that's cool [09:44] <desrt> we have some nice evil hacks, too [09:44] <desrt> to make the data receipt favourable [09:44] <desrt> ie: it gets written directly into the memory where it will be used... with all of the junk like headers/checksums/etc conveniently stripped out [09:45] <desrt> some nice scatter/gather tricks to make that work :) [09:45] <fabbione> are these drivers associated to special hw? [09:45] <desrt> intel gigabit ethernet cards [09:45] <fabbione> oh.. kweel [09:45] <desrt> today was christmas at work... i got 4 boxes of dualport cards [09:45] <desrt> plus 30 gigs of ram [09:45] <fabbione> EHHEHE [09:45] <fabbione> ah [09:46] <fabbione> i wouldn't mind both :) [09:46] <desrt> so now all the ram and pci slots on my powermacs are full [09:46] <fabbione> the only reason why i don't run gbic is the switch [09:46] <fabbione> a good one is way too expensive [09:47] <desrt> ah... all of our links on the intel cards are point-to-point [09:47] <desrt> gigabit is nice... it has automatic cross-over detection [09:47] <fabbione> yeah but i can't use p2p without tons of cards :) [09:48] <fabbione> + i use a lot vlans [09:48] <fabbione> so a switch is mandatory [09:48] <desrt> we got a bunch of 8 port gigabit switches for $150 each, i think [09:48] <desrt> but they don't do anything like vlan [09:48] <desrt> just unmanaged dumb switches... the most they do is blink their lights :) [09:48] <fabbione> the smallest switch i have here is a Cisco 2924 [09:48] <fabbione> yeah and i don't like stuff like that [09:48] <desrt> this is in your home? :) [09:49] <fabbione> i need managed :) [09:49] <fabbione> yes [09:49] <desrt> hahah [09:49] <desrt> wow. i have an 8 port 10/100 here :P [09:49] <desrt> i feel so ghetto [09:49] <fabbione> let me take a pic :) [09:50] <desrt> oh btw.. can i nuke your account on copacetic? [09:51] <fabbione> desrt: sure.. go ahead.. [09:51] <fabbione> i tough i told you last time... [09:51] <desrt> hm. i may have missed the message [09:52] <fabbione> http://www.fabbione.net/new_office.jpg [09:52] <fabbione> http://www.fabbione.net/new_office2.jpg [09:52] <fabbione> this is after last weekend [09:52] <fabbione> with a lot of cleanup [09:52] <desrt> holy crap [09:52] <desrt> how many channels are you on? [09:52] <fabbione> what you can't see in the pics is all the other equipment hidden behind me [09:52] <fabbione> still unconnected [09:53] <fabbione> 15/16 [09:53] <fabbione> not that many [09:53] <fabbione> but i use different client sessions for each network [09:53] <desrt> is that a sun switch or rackmount server? [09:53] <fabbione> server [09:53] <desrt> heh [09:53] <fabbione> it's the Ubuntu sparc buildd :) [09:54] <desrt> l33t. [09:54] <desrt> woh [09:54] <desrt> what crazy country do you live in? [09:54] <fabbione> dk [09:54] <fabbione> why? [09:54] <desrt> weird plugs [09:54] <fabbione> oh yeah [09:55] <desrt> btw: smoking will kill you :) [09:55] <fabbione> so does bitching smokers :P [09:55] <fabbione> desrt: btw.. the plug you see in pic 2 with 3 pins in a raw is italian [09:55] <fabbione> not danish [09:55] <desrt> it's funny that ubuntu sparc builds on a server sitting in a corner in your house [09:55] <fabbione> they look 6 because of the shade [09:56] <fabbione> there is another buildd in a uni in sweden [09:56] <desrt> that's a little more normal [09:56] <desrt> happen to know where ppc builds? [09:56] <fabbione> desrt: hosting here is too expensive [09:56] <fabbione> desrt: yes they are at the Lodon DC [09:56] <fabbione> like all the others [09:56] <fabbione> only sparc and hppa are not in the DataCenter [09:57] <fabbione> (..yet) [09:57] <desrt> we had one of those ciscos at work until we got rid of it [09:57] <desrt> it was too noisy [09:58] <desrt> and it was seriously underutilised [09:59] <desrt> these two pictures are taken at different times [09:59] <desrt> deceit! [10:00] <fabbione> uh? [10:00] <fabbione> yeah the pics have been taken with a week difference [10:00] <fabbione> the first one was last sunday [10:00] <fabbione> as soon as i finished to cleanup [10:00] <fabbione> the ohter few minutes ago to show the server corner ;) [10:01] <desrt> i have my 6 ubuntu servers in a row :) [10:01] <desrt> gabriel, gorecki, velocity, cocteau, breezy, copacetic [10:01] <fabbione> ehhe [10:01] <fabbione> all ppc64? [10:01] <desrt> copacetic is a PC [10:01] <fabbione> ah ok [10:01] <desrt> it's the gateway [10:02] <fabbione> yup i recall that [10:02] <desrt> and gabriel is my workstation [10:02] <fabbione> mine is still a mixture [10:02] <desrt> they're both hoary [10:02] <fabbione> reinstalling my server is not an option right now [10:02] <desrt> the other 4 (gorecki, velocity, cocteau, breezy) are all running breezy and accessible from inside only [10:03] <fabbione> ok i need to start the build orgy... [10:03] <desrt> :) [10:03] <fabbione> gimme a sec otherwise i will mess up like yesterday :) [10:03] <desrt> er [10:03] <desrt> didn't you say you weren't gonna break things on friday? :P [10:05] <desrt> yay. i successfully played devil's advocate today and convinced an innocent ubuntu maintainer to break UVF :) [10:09] <fabbione> desrt: of course i am not breaking UVF [10:09] <fabbione> i didn't upload .13 .. [10:09] <desrt> not you. someone else :P [10:10] <fabbione> well you see it's not strict strict... [10:10] <fabbione> there are still pkgs allowed to go higher versions [10:10] <desrt> nod. flexible rules are the best [10:10] <fabbione> it will be stricter stricter close to release [10:10] <desrt> who is matt? [10:10] <fabbione> mdz = CTO [10:10] <fabbione> God of Ubuntu [10:11] <desrt> he approves freeze breaks? [10:11] <desrt> heh [10:11] <desrt> i thought that was mark :) [10:11] <fabbione> mark is Self Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life [10:11] <fabbione> God of the Gods ;) [10:15] <desrt> anyway.. a new version of hal is going in, it seems [10:16] <desrt> and i may be evil enough to cause an even newer one :) [10:16] <fabbione> desrt: everything related to gnome will be updated to death [10:16] <fabbione> don't worry about it [10:16] <desrt> that's good, at least [10:21] <fabbione> infinity: if you are around, please do a checkout from baz playground.. [10:21] <fabbione> infinity: we can look at the TODO list together [12:22] <fabbione> ok guys.. i just uploade 2.6.12-6.6 [12:22] <fabbione> i am going to do the baz dance after lunch [12:22] <fabbione> infinity: we need to talk after.. [12:23] <welson> there a way to turn off a second keyboard from inputting onto tty1? [01:20] <Nafallo> fabbione: pong [01:21] <fabbione> Nafallo: your drivers have been updated.. [01:21] <Nafallo> fabbione: nice. thank you :-). [02:05] <fabbione> yoyo [02:07] <infinity> Word. [02:09] <fabbione> just one sec that i did quite a lot for you [02:09] <fabbione> i upload 6.6 this morning [02:09] <fabbione> with all the most critical things updated [02:09] <fabbione> i added a debian/TODO for you [02:09] <fabbione> nothing too fancy... [02:10] <fabbione> just what to look after... [02:10] <infinity> Cool. [02:11] <fabbione> we need to look at the TODO together... [02:12] <fabbione> just give me a minute that i had to recover ther kenrl baz archive [02:12] <fabbione> and i pre-preparing 6.7 for you [02:15] <fabbione> hey zul [02:17] <fabbione> infinity: ok can you please get the playground? [02:29] <fabbione> infinity: dude?? [02:33] <zul> hey.. [02:33] <zul> why so many uploads? [02:34] <fabbione> zul: to leave a bit of peace to infinity whille i will be back [02:34] <fabbione> be VAC even [02:34] <zul> oh yeah where are you off to? [02:35] <fabbione> i am off to work at home for the next 2 weeks [02:35] <zul> ah [02:35] <fabbione> gotta finish dining room and hopefully bedroom too [02:36] <zul> doesnt sound like much of a vacation [02:36] <fabbione> my parents are coming to do the garden the room [02:36] <fabbione> no it's no real VAC [02:37] <zul> infinity: ill have some stuff to push to you this weekend as well [02:38] <zul> dont worry i wont break anything [02:38] <zul> like last time fabbione is away [02:39] <zul> i learned my lesson ;) [02:40] <fabbione> guys if you are going to break.. i won't come back :O [02:41] <zul> wohooo! :) [02:43] <fabbione> heehhe [03:37] <infinity> fabbione : Right, I've read the TODO. Very informative. [03:38] <fabbione> i know :) [03:38] <fabbione> good.. i am already in holidays.. so you are fucked :) [03:42] <Nafallo> lol [03:48] <zul> infinity: fabbione left you a present http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13075 [03:48] <fabbione> zul: not a bug [03:48] <fabbione> it's not the archive yet [03:48] <fabbione> that's the meta package [03:49] <zul> ah...damn it :) [03:49] <chmj> ehehehe [03:49] <infinity> Uploading meta before the real thing is considered harmful. [03:49] <infinity> (I assume the real packages are stuck in NEW) [03:50] <fabbione> infinity: ENOCARE.. it's breezy and X has been broken for months.. if the kenel is not installable for 3 hours... tought luch [03:50] <fabbione> luck [03:51] <fabbione> they can all suck my left nut [03:51] <fabbione> oh did i mention that i am in holidays? [03:52] <chmj> already ? [03:53] <fabbione> yeah [03:53] <fabbione> since 49 minutes :) [03:53] <infinity> Then get off IRC, you dope. [03:53] <fabbione> nah [03:53] <fabbione> why? [03:53] <chmj> its an addiction [03:54] <fabbione> i am going to mount my 2 m68k now [03:54] <fabbione> i am FREE until tomorrow at lunch.. time at which my wife will be back [03:54] <infinity> Dude, that sounds really dirty. [03:54] <fabbione> I CAN NERD FOR FREE!!!! [03:54] <zul> use a condom if you are going to mount it [03:54] <fabbione> zul: them :) [03:54] <chmj> hhahahha [03:55] <fabbione> infinity: should we bootstrap m68k breezy server? :P [03:56] <infinity> Do your boxes have reasonable specs, or should i do it on one of mine? [03:56] <fabbione> infinity: they are the same as last time we talked :) [03:56] <fabbione> plenty of harddisk .. decent processor.. no ram [03:57] <infinity> Yeah, no RAM == shit. [03:57] <fabbione> i know... [03:57] <infinity> Especially for C++/ [03:57] <fabbione> send me some [03:57] <infinity> Buy some. RAM is cheap. [03:57] <fabbione> ENOMONEY [03:57] <fabbione> i have a wife dude... [04:06] <zul> hah.. [05:23] <lamont> In file included from drivers/input/cpad/cpad.c:84: [05:23] <lamont> drivers/input/cpad/kernel-compatibility.h:5:2: #error : kernel has no USB support. Compile kernel with CONFIG_USB. [05:23] <lamont> that is a bug [05:24] <fabbione> uh? [05:24] <fabbione> what arch is that? [05:24] <lamont> (CPAD should depend USB in Kconfig [05:24] <fabbione> yeah exactly... [05:24] <fabbione> that's easy to fix... [05:25] <fabbione> but i am in holidays.. [05:25] <lamont> that's me ripping major pieces of kernel out of .config, slowly turning itanium into defconfig, trying to find the fatal option [05:25] <fabbione> did i mentioned it before? [05:25] <fabbione> :) [05:26] <fabbione> lamont: if you don't have time to do it, open a bug and i will fix it when i am back [05:26] <lamont> I'll fix it [06:04] <fabbione> Linux tosti 2.4.26 #1 Wed May 19 16:13:28 CEST 2004 m68k unknown [06:08] <doko> fabbione: assuming we have a i386 biarch compiler again, please can we build an amd64 kernel for i386? [06:08] <fabbione> doko: i am VAC [06:10] <fabbione> doko: but assuming.. i can try [06:10] <fabbione> not as breezy goal tho [06:13] <doko> fabbione: not as a breezy goal, or not for breezy? [06:14] <fabbione> doko: it depends what that implies in terms of changes into the kenrel build infrastructure [06:14] <fabbione> if it is easy, than yes.. otherwise sorry no.. [06:14] <fabbione> feature freeze is the 11th of Auh [06:14] <fabbione> Aug [06:15] <fabbione> and i am vac from 3 hours and 15 minutes till the 15th of Aug [07:18] <zul> hey yo [07:20] <lamont> fs/asfs/dir.c: In function `asfs_readdir': [07:20] <lamont> fs/asfs/dir.c:77: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size [07:20] <lamont> fs/asfs/dir.c:112: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size [07:20] <lamont> ew [07:20] <lamont> cache hit 245 [07:20] <lamont> cache miss 9646 [07:20] <lamont> grumble [07:21] <lamont> startnode = (int)filp->private_data; [07:21] <lamont> filp->private_data = (void *)be32_to_cpu(obj->objectnode); [07:21] <lamont> I'll take bugs-in-code for $200, bob [07:22] <zul> gcc4? [07:22] <lamont> 64-bit system [07:22] <zul> ah.. [07:22] <zul> whoops [07:22] <lamont> sizeof(int) != sizeof(void*) [07:23] <lamont> then again, it's unlikely that someone will want to mount an Amiga SFS file system on {amd,ia,powerpc,sparc}64 [07:24] <lamont> fs/coda/upcall.c:551: warning: comparison is always false due to limited range of data type [07:24] <lamont> fs/gfs/ops_address.c:477: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type [07:28] <lamont> fs/gfs/proc.c:310: warning: 'sdp' might be used uninitialized in this function [07:28] <lamont> \ [07:28] <lamont> (also 268.198.160) [11:17] <lamont> fabbione: btw, CPAD fix committed [11:18] <fabbione> lamont: ok :) [11:19] <jbailey> fabbione: I know how two systems that I can routinely produce some sort of severe crash that keeps me from running sudo on. Some day when you're bored, I should get you to show me how to troubleshoot this... [11:20] <jbailey> bumps[17574] : segfault at 0000002a964c8000 rip 0000000000402410 rsp 0000007fbffff1d8 error 6 [11:20] <jbailey> rd-bomb[18440] : segfault at 0000002a963cf000 rip 00000000004028c9 rsp 0000007fbffff020 error 6 [11:20] <fabbione> jbailey: the hw is broken.. change it [11:20] <jbailey> on the console [11:21] <jbailey> fabbione: Eh? Two systems, different arch's, same glibc tests... [11:21] <fabbione> i dunno.. that's amd64, isn't it? [11:21] <jbailey> amd64 and ppc, yeah. [11:21] <fabbione> i have no idea... [11:22] <fabbione> not today at least :) [11:22] <lamont> SCORE!!! it booted... much smaller bracket to play in now. [11:22] <fabbione> my brain is basically turned off [11:22] <fabbione> lamont: cool! [11:22] <jbailey> fabbione: Right, that's why it's some day when you're bored. [11:22] <lamont> fabbione: of course, some of it was turning things into 'yes' that were 'module' before. [11:22] <jbailey> fabbione: apt-cache search doesn't find it. /me googles. [11:23] <fabbione> lamont: i would blame initrd for that [11:23] <fabbione> jbailey: it's not a package [11:23] <lamont> much smaller, fwiw, is +330/-80 on the diff [11:23] <fabbione> it's a patch iirc.. [11:23] <lamont> actually, I'm leaning toward CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME and firends [11:23] <jbailey> fabbione: Thanks. Lamont would probably love the buildds to stop dying whiler we're at it too. =) [11:24] <lamont> now that's just amusing... [11:24] <jbailey> Somehow running simple interface tests blocks a test indefinetly, and kills whatever sockets sudo needs to run. [11:24] <lamont> ah, probably hotplug stuff [11:24] <lamont> (why the network doesn't autoconfig) [11:24] <fabbione> lamont: I am not 100% sure how you are playing with the configs [11:25] <lamont> fabbione: with a sledge hammer [11:25] <lamont> anything taht prints a kernel message is considered "good". Things that machine check before the first printk are considerd "fail" [11:25] <fabbione> but you need to always compared the generated .config in the build dir with the original and the expected config yuo are modifying [11:25] <lamont> and it's semi-binary-search week [11:25] <lamont> yes [11:26] <fabbione> you might manually disable an option that might be turned back by Kconfig and you don't know... [11:26] <lamont> so I have defconfig (good) and itanium (fail), and several passes between, as I make itanium look more and more like defconfig... [11:26] <fabbione> or switch something to m and at the end is y [11:26] <lamont> oh, it's vi .config; make oldconfig; diff; diff; diff. [11:26] <lamont> and occasionally make menuconfig [11:26] <fabbione> the config is still changed :) [11:27] <fabbione> but i guess you know that [11:27] <fabbione> anyway it's time for me to sleep [11:27] <lamont> the config is changed in 'make oldconfig', and then I diff it. once I like the diff, then I build, which does another make oldconfig, but so what [11:27] <lamont> g'night [11:27] <fabbione> the first of the 2 amiga is distupgrading to sarge [11:27] <jbailey> fabbione: You starting the m68k port? [11:28] <fabbione> jbailey: no. my 2 amigas are too slow for that [11:28] <fabbione> jbailey: that's why i was asking about the cross compiler [11:28] <jbailey> fabbione: Right, but there are apparently decent emulators for m68k now. [11:28] <jbailey> fabbione: m68k is one of the micro-buntu targets that I was thinking about. [11:28] <fabbione> jbailey: yes.. but waht i was thinking about is to try to build breezy via cross compile [11:28] <jbailey> I wouldn't do it in a cross compiler. [11:28] <jbailey> I'd do it in an emulator. [11:29] <fabbione> and use the results to test on real m68k [11:29] <jbailey> Most apps don't cross compiler well. [11:29] <fabbione> jbailey: afaik emulator will boot AmiOS [11:29] <fabbione> not linux [11:29] <jbailey> If I get bored this weeked I'll look for the link I found. [11:30] <fabbione> but if you know of any of these emulators that can run m68k i will be glad to give it a shot [11:30] <jbailey> I was putting stuff together to run on my ia64 [11:30] <fabbione> i don't mind to setup a buildd [11:30] <jbailey> (The most power EVER consumed by an m68k!) [11:30] <fabbione> hahaha [11:30] <fabbione> i also promised Al Viro to test his stack smasher something on m68k [11:31] <fabbione> so that they can finally kill that 120K patch that linus will never accept [11:31] <jbailey> But if you are interested in this, I'll also get around to writing down the embedded Ubuntu stuff that Thom and I talked about. [11:31] <lamont> m [11:31] <fabbione> jbailey: i don't mind to use one of my m68k as test machine... [11:31] <fabbione> i have fun with them [11:31] <fabbione> but no real bootstrapping or compiling there... [11:32] <jbailey> Right. I'm not willing to debug on them though, so.... =) [11:32] <fabbione> + i know a bit of m68k asm... [11:32] <fabbione> i think i still remember most of it :) [11:32] <jbailey> It would be a lovely excuse for me to learn it. [11:32] <jbailey> Gotta run. g'n Fabio! (And l8r, all) [11:32] <fabbione> a long time ago i did propose Simon Richter to work on a linux boot loader to install directly in the bootblock [11:33] <fabbione> instead of having to boot AmiOS first [11:33] <fabbione> cya Jeff [11:33] <fabbione> night guys [11:33] <crimsun> 'night.

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:37.846485

2005-08-03-#ubuntu-artwork

[03:30] <AndyFitz> hey hey [03:57] <AndyFitz> 3 minutes!!!! :) [03:58] <volvoguy> should I start the drumroll? :) [04:00] <AndyFitz> only if its a deep african sounding tom-stye drumroll [04:00] <AndyFitz> ;) [04:05] <volvoguy> if it's ok with everyone else, let's wait just a couple more minute in case there are some latecomers. [04:07] <AndyFitz> sure thing [04:21] <volvoguy> ok. raise of hands.... who's here for the meeting? :-) [04:23] <volvoguy> excellent. at the very least then, Andrew and I will talk about stuff and i'll summarize in an email to the list later. [04:25] <AndyFitz> okay so things to talk about ( in no particular order ) are server, wiki documentation, and the possibility of creating an ArtTeam metapackage [04:26] <AndyFitz> also a site, anything I missed ? [04:26] <volvoguy> well, i was hoping to assign some specific icon converting tasks to people, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen. [04:27] <AndyFitz> noted :-) [04:28] <volvoguy> ok. server first... [04:28] <volvoguy> we still don't know what we're getting yet as far as hardware goes. [04:30] <volvoguy> as far as the internal workings go, i've requested that CVS or some other versioning system be set up for us. [04:30] <AndyFitz> thats fine, are we aware what software configuration we'll need? version control, art.gnome style site [04:30] <AndyFitz> etc [04:30] <volvoguy> hey, there's nick! welcome. [04:30] <nicholaspaul> Good evening, sorry for my tardinee [04:30] <nicholaspaul> (or bad spelling...thats tardiness!) [04:30] <volvoguy> no prob. nick. [04:30] <AndyFitz> hi Nick [04:30] <nicholaspaul> hey Andy [04:31] <volvoguy> it's hard to say what kind of website we're going to do, but i've been talking to the art.gnome.org guys and personally i'd like to see us using their website code for our site. [04:32] <AndyFitz> hi jdub [04:32] <volvoguy> howdy jdub. [04:32] <jdub> yo [04:32] <AndyFitz> volvoguy, yes, from what I've heard from thos the code is fairly extensible for our purposes as an official ubuntu art presentation site [04:33] <nicholaspaul> a uniform identity... great idea. [04:33] <AndyFitz> volvoguy, do we know that we are getting our own server or will we be sharing the software configuration with other ubuntu sites ? [04:34] <volvoguy> AndyFitz, agreed. they're also working on a SOAP powered backend thing that will allow any Linux art sites that want to use it, to share data between each other. [04:34] <AndyFitz> thats very good, official ubuntu artwork can go upsteam in gnome faster :) [04:35] <volvoguy> that may be a little ways off, but it'll also be tied into the "gnome-art" application. kind of like synaptic for artwork. [04:35] <AndyFitz> not that all art.gnome stuff ends up in a gnome package [04:36] <AndyFitz> so will we be keeping our documentation or creating artwork on the wiki ? [04:37] <volvoguy> i'm assuming we'll keep all our internal development stuff in CVS, keep track of schedules with a webdav enabled calendar or something, and then the public facing website will be open to everyone that wants to submit artwork. [04:37] <volvoguy> i think for the most part, our documentation can stay on the main Ubuntu wiki. [04:38] <volvoguy> is there anything you can think of that we'd want to keep OFF the main Ubuntu wiki? [04:39] <nicholaspaul> our paychecks? (sorry) !!:D [04:39] <jdub> AndyFitz: highly likely that you'd be running this stuff on a sponsored linode [04:39] <volvoguy> nicholaspaul, just for that, i'm cutting your paycheck in half! :) [04:40] <nicholaspaul> great... i'll tell my kids they cant eat tomorrow !! [04:40] <nicholaspaul> (ok i'll be serious!) [04:40] <volvoguy> jdub, i'm not familiar with linode. is that some sort of co-located arrangement? [04:41] <AndyFitz> in my mind there are only two areas by which we want to restrict stuff. what icons end up in our repository and what we display as official artworks [04:41] <nicholaspaul> is the list of artists involved going to be closed after a while? how is this list managed? [04:42] <jdub> volvoguy: virtual hosting via UML [04:42] <AndyFitz> keeping the wiki free-flowing is a good idea in my opinion. but it would be really nice to have the site describe the definitive ways to help out and the methods involved [04:42] <volvoguy> IMHO, i think those two things can stay in our versioning system and discussed/voted on in meetings or via email. [04:43] <volvoguy> jdub, gotcha. thanks. [04:44] <AndyFitz> it would be good to have a quick response to submissions that don't suit the project. especially if the artwork is good but not suitable . ( we need to refer artists to openclipart.org and encourage them to try again with knowledge of our documentation. [04:45] <volvoguy> the official stuff really wouldn't need to be in the art.gnome.org side of the site - unless someone wanted to maintain it there for people using older releases or *gasp* another distro. [04:46] <AndyFitz> the quicker we get back to artists, the more inspired we keep them. ( imagine if an amazingly talented illustrator is using inkscape for the first time and decides to spend the weekend creating assets for us ) [04:46] <volvoguy> i could be wrong, but i don't really envision the public side of the website as a way to submit official artwork. [04:46] <nicholaspaul> i would like to see a set order of critique too, or a set of standards that we are adhering to [04:46] <AndyFitz> volvoguy: it is a good way , if there is someone willing to review those submissions [04:47] <AndyFitz> and we can technically do these submissions without too much wasted effort [04:47] <AndyFitz> nicholaspaul: that is a very good point [04:47] <volvoguy> so perhaps a couple of admins that could "promote" a user-submitted piece to something official? [04:48] <AndyFitz> gnome has its own human interface guidelines ( that it loosely adheres to ) there are a few differences for the purpose of our work that might require us to publish our own hig [04:48] <AndyFitz> effectively only rewrite our version for the icon section of the gnome HIG [04:49] <volvoguy> AndyFitz, i don't see a problem with that if the rest of the project agrees. any comments jdub? [04:50] <nicholaspaul> am i right in thinking that most of the work righ now is just redrawing/tidying up and doesnt require creative input? [04:51] <AndyFitz> the only differences are palette and the tricks required to use it properly with svg , also the max number of visually separate objects per icon [04:51] <volvoguy> i would think that the whole "promotion to something official" stuff would need to be controlled by an admin. a checkbox for "consider for official artwork" might get abused. [04:52] <AndyFitz> nicholaspaul, yes the majority of the work will be cleanup and composition work [04:53] <nicholaspaul> thats good - a great way to get accustomed wiht the whole project. [04:53] <volvoguy> nicholaspaul, that's the kind of work that needs to get done for the Breezy release. the artwork website (while still important) is almost a separate project. [04:54] <nicholaspaul> oh. I'm easily confused, sorry. [04:54] <volvoguy> so Andrew, could our HIG modifcations be added to our IconGuide on the wiki? [04:55] <AndyFitz> volvoguy, I agree that we need a review process for all artwork. thats why we need to well document and provide as many reasons to not 'promote' artwork as we can. we need to keep everyone knowing that they can get their work in when it suits the rules and vision documented. [04:56] <volvoguy> AndyFitz, agreed. that sounds good to me. so we should start an official "ubuntu artwork guidelines" wiki page. [04:56] <AndyFitz> volvoguy, yes the IconGuide should be much more detailed. as you know I don't have time to feed myself and do all the things I want with the ArtTeam ;-) [04:57] <volvoguy> AndyFitz, yep. totally understandable. that's a page i want to work on myself - within my own physical restrictions of course. [04:58] <AndyFitz> yes, it should be really easy for an admin to throw a few URL's back at submitting artists explaining what they need to do to make their stuff visually suitable. [04:58] <AndyFitz> sadly, there's no easy way we can check that they are using our palette ( well there is but I'll discuss if its technically possible later on ) [04:58] <volvoguy> a general "official artwork guidelines" page could cover everything though - icons, themes, backgrounds - and what is and isn't acceptable for the main distro. [04:59] <volvoguy> AndyFitz, yes. sounds good to me. [05:00] <volvoguy> ok. so we can't really do much right now as far as the public website goes, so let's concentrate on beefing up our documentation on the wiki for now. [05:00] <AndyFitz> lets pull as many things from the gnome hig to rationalise from as possible. things like " no severed limbs performing actions with objects " I've been burnt by that one a few times [05:01] <volvoguy> yikes. [05:01] <volvoguy> yes. let's make that a rule. lol. [05:01] <nicholaspaul> great. I have to start from scratch AGAIN.. [05:02] <volvoguy> *smacks Nick* [05:02] <volvoguy> oh. and no violence either. :) [05:03] <nicholaspaul> Owee... [05:03] <AndyFitz> I have a silly question that id like to make public just to be fair [05:04] <nicholaspaul> I'm glad someone else is opening the 'silly question 'can cos i have loads of them . [05:04] <volvoguy> so besides still waiting for our server and setting that up with something like art.gnome.org, we need to work on more detailed tasks to be done on the wiki, as well as setting up general guidelines for submitted artwork. [05:04] <volvoguy> go for it Andy. [05:04] <AndyFitz> I'm determined to include .. well 'sneak' a unicorn somewhere in the icon set ( even if its in a rare mimetype ) . [05:04] <AndyFitz> but I realise this would open the flood gates to other artists to want to do similar [05:04] <nicholaspaul> unicorn and a badger... ok .. i'm not sure where this is goig. [05:05] <nicholaspaul> is there a family of animals that we can and cant include? [05:05] <AndyFitz> let alone the fact that a unicorn could be seen as some kind of fantasy unholy whatever ( like what happened to the harry potter books ) [05:06] <volvoguy> (not that i'm opposed), but what's your reasoning for that, and why would that be an issue? [05:06] <nicholaspaul> hmm.. perhaps we ought to leave a large margin around anything even remotely controversial. [05:06] <nicholaspaul> - just like an african mask logo [05:06] <volvoguy> i don't have an issue with unicorns in general, as long as there's a reason behind it's use. [05:06] <AndyFitz> it is a dorky thing but somewhere along the way I mentioned to my chickie that I would at least try to justify it. ( how about I do it and see who complains ) this will be the only silly thing I do so we'll see who / if anyone complains [05:07] <nicholaspaul> lol no complaints here [05:07] <volvoguy> it's ok with me. especially if it's incorporated in some witty and/or creative way. [05:07] <nicholaspaul> Now, if the Unicorn was a republican.... [05:07] <AndyFitz> hehe [05:07] <volvoguy> *smack* [05:08] <nicholaspaul> i have to learn to duck. [05:08] <nicholaspaul> (and i said i'd be serious....!!) [05:08] <volvoguy> don't worry folks. i tend to type "smack" quite often when talking to Nick personally. :) [05:08] <nicholaspaul> he does.. i'm used to the abuse. [05:09] <volvoguy> AndyFitz, as far as other artwork is concerned, i guess we'll just have to take it on a case by case basis. [05:09] <AndyFitz> all good if nick has no problem with it, however I'm sure one day he'll modify xchat to reply /me ducks automatically ;) [05:09] <volvoguy> we're both IRC newbies. we haven't learned all the commands yet. :) [05:09] <AndyFitz> volvoguy, yes thats the best way. mind if I mention how we can enforce palette control in svg just for the technicall minded ) [05:10] <volvoguy> AndyFitz, sure. shoot. [05:10] <nicholaspaul> thats what you think... i havent shown you my IRC client that i built to control my toaster did i.. [05:10] <volvoguy> haha! [05:10] <nicholaspaul> *nick is absent [05:10] <volvoguy> i did mention this was a casual non-official meeting, right? [05:11] <nicholaspaul> phewee! [05:11] <nicholaspaul> hi i'm back, what did i miss? [05:11] <nicholaspaul> AndyFitz, a set pallete is a great idea. [05:11] <AndyFitz> this may get messy to enforce but .... the tricks used to change brightness, saturation of colours in the palette do not affect the hexidecimal of the colour in the xml [05:11] <nicholaspaul> oh? [05:12] <nicholaspaul> (ducks out of habit) [05:12] <AndyFitz> however artists can include any shade of white - black in an icon without playing dirty tricks with opacity. so that means we can't just say in a script " if the hex isnt one of these colors so don't validate it " [05:12] <nicholaspaul> any shade of FFFFFF? sweet. [05:12] <AndyFitz> but grey colours always have rgb triplets [05:13] <volvoguy> AndyFitz, right. [05:14] <nicholaspaul> so far, we have a standard pallete, an HIG we can use.. [05:14] <AndyFitz> so if there is a way we can look at the svg xml and search for all #xxxxxx strings of text and chekc that it matches a colour in the palette OR is a triplet of the same value ( not #XXYYZZ but #YYYYYY or even #XYXYXY ) [05:15] <volvoguy> AndyFitz, are semi-opaque objects not recommended in icons? [05:15] <AndyFitz> we can make a validator to enforce palette conformance to the hig [05:15] <nicholaspaul> what about gradients, AndyFitz? [05:16] <volvoguy> that definitely sounds like a good idea, if we have someone capable of creating such a validator. [05:16] <AndyFitz> nick, gradients are defined in the xml by stops of colours in hex ( those stops should be from the palette ) [05:16] <nicholaspaul> oh ok, sorry didnt realise. [05:16] <nicholaspaul> (not being an XML god or goddess) [05:17] <AndyFitz> its wise to keep our svg xml clean by using only palette colours because we can then create derivatives much more easily [05:18] <volvoguy> right. search and replace all of this color with that color in this directory of SVG files. simple in theory. :) [05:18] <nicholaspaul> I like that idea. Nothing uglier than a w--i-d-e pallette [05:19] <AndyFitz> then we can go black and white icon theme ? no worries , uber high colour theme ... using only pink ... sure thing.. [05:19] <volvoguy> i vote that there be no pink iconthemes in ubuntu. :) [05:19] <nicholaspaul> a pink unicorn... [05:20] <nicholaspaul> LOL [05:20] <AndyFitz> volvoguy, that goes without saying.. [05:20] <nicholaspaul> i vote for a pink theme entitled Goddess. [05:20] <AndyFitz> volvoguy, arent you meant to be slapping right now ? [05:20] <nicholaspaul> *duck* [05:20] <AndyFitz> lol [05:21] <volvoguy> AndyFitz, one thing i've been meaning to ask. are you responsible for the initial creation of all the "Humility" icons, or is that open to others as well? [05:21] <nicholaspaul> you gots gotta learn... [05:21] <nicholaspaul> (guys) [05:21] <volvoguy> heh. [05:22] <AndyFitz> volvoguy, there have been some great illustrations submitted that just need a little bit of work to fit with the style. id like this responsability to be shared [05:22] <AndyFitz> responsibility [05:23] <AndyFitz> where is my manners ( where is my gtkspell ) [05:23] <volvoguy> hehe. [05:23] <nicholaspaul> hehe! [05:23] <nicholaspaul> are there any projects that need submissions? [05:24] <volvoguy> so there will be some SVG cleaning-up to be done in addition to the SVG to PNG conversions. are people currently sending you these illustrations Andy, or are you just talking about things you've seen around the 'net? [05:24] <AndyFitz> we have to cover the desktop calendar wallpapers, usplash gdm, gnome-splash, OOo splash, and other apps like abiword gnumeric, gaim anjuta ( whatever we have time for ) [05:25] <AndyFitz> but I'm thinking that if we do this first we may never get enough of the icons out of the way [05:26] <volvoguy> AndyFitz, now for the question that might be hard to answer without a versioning control system... how do we know who's working on what? [05:26] <AndyFitz> I intend to post a splash template on the wiki for disucssion. ( I also intend to get back to work ) lol [05:26] <AndyFitz> volvoguy, yes this server needs to be chased up with top priority [05:27] <AndyFitz> aaron, if you could winge some more maybe stuff will happen for us. I don't know what the hold-up is at the moment [05:27] <volvoguy> AndyFitz, ok. i'll follow up with Jane again about the server. Perhaps jdub could put some polite pressure on too? :) [05:27] <nicholaspaul> templates.. great idea. Giving the world free reign to make 'anything' for a splash . some people will spend weeks on one drawing and get their feelings hurt. [05:27] <jdub> is this just for running the art site? [05:28] <AndyFitz> jdub, we need this pretty badly , for running a repository to manage the icons and keep them current [05:28] <nicholaspaul> i'm just really concerned about standards for accepting art . Not because i'm afraid the stds will slip, but that people will get upset that their gems arent accepted [05:28] <volvoguy> jdub, we have two server requirements (probably on the same machine) - CVS (or similar) for keeping track of official artwork, and a webserver for an ubuntu-specific "art.gnome.org" type site. [05:29] <volvoguy> documentation can really just stay on the main wiki. i don't think there's any reason we need a separate wiki. [05:29] <jdub> AndyFitz and i have already talked about the icons repository - we'll just use baz [05:29] <AndyFitz> nicholaspaul, yes thats why we are so lucky to have openclipart [05:30] <nicholaspaul> clipart? [05:30] <nicholaspaul> :| [05:31] <AndyFitz> in my geeky (semi-accedemic but not really) mind. once a human touches a canvas anywhere in anyway it is immediately useful to someone else. its just hard discovering that audience and how to get it there [05:31] <volvoguy> AndyFitz, and also, the public art website can contain more than just official artwork. there's definitely going to be plenty of places for people to showcase their work. [05:31] <AndyFitz> openclipart.org would make alot of use from assets that are created but don't suit the nature or style of our icons [05:32] <volvoguy> nicholaspaul, openclipart.org is also, IMHO, better quality artwork than you'd see on the 99 cents rack at a computer store. [05:33] <nicholaspaul> phew... well, your stamp of approval is good enough in my books [05:34] <nicholaspaul> so will one person work on a general idea and let others flesh out the details? [05:34] <volvoguy> AndyFitz, jdub, i'm not familiar with baz. can you two work on making that happen and then explain the details to the group when it's ready? [05:34] <nicholaspaul> i just have visions of a Group Show exhibition..(shudder!) [05:34] <jdub> yes [05:34] <volvoguy> great. thanks! [05:36] <volvoguy> nicholaspaul, as far as the icons go, I think they should all get Andrews blessing (as well as the group as a whole if it comes to that). [05:37] <volvoguy> we don't have a protocol in place as of yet for reviewing other artwork - backgrounds, etc. [05:37] <nicholaspaul> ok cool.i feel better now that a pink unicorn will not appear unexpectedly on my desktop [05:38] <volvoguy> i'm confident that Andrew has better taste than that. :) [05:38] <AndyFitz> I think before we officially start accepting icons this documentation should be done. people deserve good reasons for rejections as well as the encouragement by tutorials that there is a way they can contribute [05:40] <nicholaspaul> yup, good point AndyFitz. in my experience, with any artwork, people have to learn to let go before they can accept criticism. Scary area... [05:40] <AndyFitz> volvoguy, I'll probably include it in some obscure mimetype like .s3m tracked module audio or amiga ROM or something. honestly eastereggs are fun but I'm happy to not do it should any conflict arise [05:40] <volvoguy> AndyFitz, since you're probably the most knowledgable about icon design and HIG's, could you make up a rough draft for that? i can even move it over to the wiki if you only have time to email it to me. [05:41] <volvoguy> AndyFitz, no - please do it. I'm looking forward to trying to find it now. :) [05:41] <AndyFitz> volvoguy, good thing we are such friendly people. [05:41] <AndyFitz> I have to go but before I go ill mention what I see as the process flow of a user coming to the project and wanting to help out [05:42] <nicholaspaul> Ladies and Gentlemen, i'm having to attend to other responsibilities at this time and will bid you all goodnight/good morning. [05:42] <AndyFitz> night nick, take care mate [05:42] <nicholaspaul> thanks Andy - you too. [05:43] <volvoguy> g'night Nick! [05:43] <nicholaspaul> nite Volvokid [05:43] <volvoguy> wise guy. :) [05:44] <volvoguy> go ahead with your process flow. [05:44] <AndyFitz> - user visits site [05:44] <AndyFitz> - site explains the roles and ways to help out [05:44] <AndyFitz> - user optionally installs the ArtTeam metapackage [05:44] <AndyFitz> - user optionally downloads the latest respository image of icons / assets [05:44] <AndyFitz> - does their thing [05:45] <AndyFitz> if its rejected they are pointed back to the ways to help out and the guidelines. also referred to openclipart if their assets are more suitable for that project ( by this , nobody is useless ) [05:46] <volvoguy> ok. first question. by "site" are you referring to our documentation on the wiki, or the public ubuntu art website? [05:47] <AndyFitz> either. the public ubuntu art site should have a 'how to help out link' that refers them to the documentation [05:48] <volvoguy> my understanding is that the public art site is going to be more of an "anything goes" site than a front-end to getting your artwork in the distro. i could be wrong though. [05:48] <AndyFitz> the most important thing is that we help them get the tools , get the assets and make the submission process easier than comitting to cvs actually is. ( this does mean we will have to review everything but it should be public while we are revieing it in my opinion [05:48] <volvoguy> so maybe the art site submission page SHOULD have an "i'd like this to be considered an official artwork submission" checkbox [05:49] <AndyFitz> we both know that would be abused :-P [05:50] <AndyFitz> just referring from the art site to the official ArtTeam project is enough [05:50] <volvoguy> most likely, yes. it might be worth trying though if people are directed to the guidelines documentation at the same time. [05:51] <volvoguy> ok. i'm sure you're right. :) [05:52] <AndyFitz> we should keep it as un-bureaucratic as possible . the more hoops the harder [05:52] <volvoguy> so I still should talk to Jane about getting the machine ready for this art website. [05:54] <AndyFitz> we need both the public art site and the public ArtTeam presence. only the ArtTeam will be closer linked to the wiki and be a gateway to using revision control, signing up to the mailing list and reading how to create official artwork / tracking what needs to be done [05:55] <volvoguy> i agree. the quicker we can get some guidelines online, the better. do you think mirroring some of the Gnome HIG's would be a good start, or do we want to write our own from scratch? [05:55] <jdub> volvoguy: could you cc me, and mention that the same host could be used for hosting the fridge? that'll save admin hassle. [05:55] <jdub> we'd only need a human icon design addendum [05:55] <volvoguy> jdub, "hosting the fridge". sure. i can pass that long. :) [05:55] <jdub> wouldn't require molesting GNOME's HIG [05:55] <AndyFitz> we should write our own from scratch. I'm out of time but there are important things we can get from the HIG ( that even gnome doesn't always adhere to ) [05:56] <volvoguy> ok Andrew. glad you could make it. sorry for eating up your whole lunch break. :) [05:56] <jdub> AndyFitz: do you mean a different Ubuntu HIG, or an addendum for GNOME's HIG for our icon set design issues? [05:57] <volvoguy> i'll pick jdub's brain for a while now. :) [05:57] <AndyFitz> one is the use of text ( no text ever ) not even in mimetypes . unless that text is a capital / lowercase 'A' for a font icon [05:57] <AndyFitz> jdub, just the icon section of the gnome hig suited for ubuntu related artwork [05:58] <jdub> AndyFitz: then probably best to talk about it as the human icon design brief or whatever, it's not a new HIG [05:58] <volvoguy> yeah. sorry about that. i used "HIG' in the wrong context. i was referring more to the guidelines for official artwork submission. [05:58] <AndyFitz> yeah I think it could be confusing calling it HIG its got nothing to do with software design [05:59] <volvoguy> right. HIG is something more official that i'll let you work out with jdub. i won't speak of it again. :) [05:59] <AndyFitz> we'll call it ubuntu designers' icon guidelines or UDIG you dig ? [06:00] <volvoguy> heh. i dig. i mean UDIG. [06:01] <AndyFitz> we all dig the UDIG [06:01] <AndyFitz> in the icon review process : the UDIG digs.. AT YOU [06:02] <AndyFitz> I have to leave now guys. my boss has been pretty generous with me . [06:03] <AndyFitz> thank you for your help. jdub, cheers for rocking by [06:04] <volvoguy> jdub, i haven't received much direction from Jane except that i'm the interrum artwork coordinator and that a server is in the works. feel free to impart your guidance and wisdom with me if necessary. [08:43] <miketech> hi [03:20] <miketech> Hi [03:58] <MartenH> better late then never.. hi :) [03:58] <MartenH> only 40 minutes after you arrived, not to bad :p

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:37.854625

2005-08-03-#ubuntu-doc

[08:19] <jsgotangco> hello [08:22] <jsgotangco> venda: chill [08:23] <venda> morn jsgotangco [08:23] <jsgotangco> venda: im not in favor of railroading either [08:24] <venda> well then say so, don't beat around the bush [08:24] <jsgotangco> (i was actually non-existant in the meeting last night because of my connection [08:24] <venda> I saw that, I read the log [08:24] <jsgotangco> badly lagged [08:25] <venda> I did not see anything on the agenda worth meeting for [08:25] <venda> the main item seemed to be about localhelp [08:25] <venda> a discussion that was not even attempted properly on the list [08:26] <venda> and which it seems is being politically forced down everyones throats [08:26] <venda> The idea is good, it's just the way they are going about it that is ticking me off [08:26] <jsgotangco> i would worry more about the content rather than the front for now [08:26] <jsgotangco> our content is almost non-existant [08:27] <jsgotangco> at the moment [08:27] <venda> eactly [08:27] <venda> if Matthew wants to write and be a help he should do so on the current objectives [08:27] <venda> smae goes for Burgundavia [08:27] <venda> not derail current focus [08:28] <venda> rob^: has done great work [08:28] <venda> and mpt and Burgundavia can fork, but if they do then they should not defocus the teams [08:28] <jsgotangco> jeff and i are slowly builing the styleguide [08:29] <venda> and work on edubuntu is moving forward [08:29] <venda> it takes time [08:29] <venda> and focus [08:29] <jsgotangco> it does [08:29] <venda> I am very busy now and not paying attention [08:29] <venda> so I play catchup [08:30] <venda> but when I see this kind of negative political behaviour it makes me wonder [08:30] <jdub> venda: i missed the meeting too; what's the 'localhelp' stuff you're concerned about? [08:30] <venda> See launch pad [08:31] <jsgotangco> launchpad? [08:31] <venda> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/products/ubuntu-help [08:32] <jsgotangco> oh jeezz [08:33] <venda> I don't mind the fact that they forked FAQ Guide. That is their choice. [08:33] <venda> I even think that the idea of the outline is good [08:33] <venda> I don't think it should be outside svn [08:34] <venda> I don't think it should position itself as the defacto for ubuntu-help [08:34] <jsgotangco> faqguide? i agree [08:34] <venda> I don't think it should impact on license [08:35] <venda> I don't think it should be defocusing the docteam from DocteamProjects [08:35] <venda> There is space for localhelp and faqguide in the distro [08:36] <venda> morn rob^ [08:36] <rob^> hey venda [08:36] <rob^> I take it you got the email? [08:36] <highvoltage> hi venda [08:37] <jsgotangco> jdub: busy? [08:41] <jdub> this is what has been discussed for ages; the document-as-front-page thing [08:42] <jdub> jsgotangco: yeah [08:43] <jsgotangco> jdub: ok i just wanted to ask you what can you suggest on a conference presentation geared towards corporate adoption [08:43] <venda> jdub: no we have discussed that the structure should change [08:43] <venda> jdub: not that a document will replace it [08:44] <venda> jdub: we do not see it the way mpt and Burgundavia have put it [08:47] <venda> jdub: rob^ has indicated what we have in mind and I know that most of the team agrees with that approach [08:47] <venda> jdub: I like the locahelp outline, but I don't see it as the frontpage of help in Ubuntu [08:48] <venda> jdub: localhelp is jus one more document type from which users can read to get help [08:48] <venda> jdub: localhelp should share level 1 in the help system along with faqguide, quickguide, userguide etc [08:49] <venda> jdub: not take precedence over [08:49] <venda> jdub: in addition it should be an integral part of docteam work, not an external [08:50] <venda> jdub: the license issue. GPL is not a documentation licesne [08:50] <venda> GFDL is [08:51] <venda> As for the debian argument, I fail to see how debain will use ubuntu localhelp as the default for their own help :-) [08:52] <venda> Debian just uses their own or that of upstream [08:52] <venda> such as gnome [08:52] <venda> or kde [08:52] <jsgotangco> i'd rather do upstream work for that (which i plan in the future) [08:53] <venda> jsgotangco: I sometimes think of moving upstream altogether :-) [08:56] <jdub> venda: the point of the document-as-front-page is to link to all the available documentation; but i'm not going to argue about the specifics [08:57] <jdub> jsgotangco: (it's highly likely that GNOME will shift to this style of front page in the near future) [08:57] <jdub> jsgotangco: (rather than just the ooky index) [08:58] <jsgotangco> jdub: i don't argue with that part of the front page really...yelp is what we have at the moment and the document as front page is the best workaround we currently have imo [08:59] <jdub> i wouldn't describe it as a workaround (for the front page of a help browser - there are a lot of other issues that need to be fixed that are unrelated to that) [09:00] <jsgotangco> ah [09:04] <venda> jdub: we have not agreed that help should use the outline here [09:04] <venda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalHelp?highlight=%28localhelp%29 [09:04] <venda> people do not agree that the outline here should be what is the front page [09:05] <venda> the number of topics in that outline is never ending [09:05] <venda> and topics are often inter-related [09:06] <jsgotangco> yeah i told them before its too long for a front page though [09:06] <venda> what they are trying too do is do a google type of categorization project [09:06] <venda> so why not just use google [09:06] <rob^> jsgotangco, yes, as have I [09:07] <venda> the solution to rapid information retrieval is not another doc. It needs a technological soclution [09:07] <jsgotangco> our current work are books in structure, but it doesn't mean they should be written like books [09:07] <venda> search and idex [09:07] <jdub> venda: you'll note that the proposal specifically raises search and index, and how it is related to the spec [09:08] <jdub> jsgotangco: right, but that has to be solved differently (and the doc that contains the front page could actually contain the non-book documentation, too) [09:08] <venda> yes, but that is ok, its just that throwing one more document at an information organization and location problem is not the solution [09:09] <venda> jdub: how long do you think that outline is going to get [09:09] <jdub> venda: perhaps not to a problem that you are making up [09:09] <venda> just off the top of my head I can add another 30 topic [09:09] <jdub> but a crafted front page is a great way to introduce the help browser [09:09] <jdub> which is the problem mpt is solving [09:10] <venda> [09:02] <jdub> venda: perhaps not to a problem that you are making up [09:10] <venda> jdub: me and others in the team [09:10] <venda> I don't stand alone in feeling that this is not the way to go [09:10] <jdub> you didn't define the problem, you just stated that another document is not a solution [09:10] <venda> dude we have done that in th epast a few times [09:10] <jdub> the problem being solved is the not-entirely-user-worthy front page of yelp [09:11] <venda> and the last mesages have indicated what people think [09:12] <venda> jdub: you want to fix the problem then develop a proper help/documentation viewing system [09:12] <venda> jdub: don't throw another doc at it [09:12] <jdub> this solves a small problem in a simple fashion in a small amount of time [09:12] <venda> the outline of that do is going to be huge [09:13] <jdub> and regardless of the immediate problem, the help browser will need a crafted front page anyway [09:13] <venda> and who decides what does in that outline [09:13] <venda> how many cooks will keep that outline organized [09:13] <rob^> everytime we change something in one of the docs, we are going to have to check the front page to make sure we are not breaking anything [09:13] <rob^> what a pain [09:13] <venda> I give it a few months and the ouline there will be a mess [09:14] <venda> jdub: we have read and seen mpt's solution [09:14] <venda> jdub: we have given it considerable thjought [09:14] <jdub> i don't imagine all of those entries will be on it, nor do i see more being added (it specifically notes that they will be removed) [09:14] <venda> jdub: it is a start in the direction we need, but it is not the solutiuon we need [09:15] <jdub> it's a short term solution for a small problem [09:15] <venda> jdub: who will be the judge of that [09:15] <venda> jdub: an ugly hack that is not the solution, but just a bigger problem [09:16] <jdub> okay, so, tell me what the front page of a help browser would be if it were not a crafted document [09:16] <venda> jdub: what is stopping developers from improving yelp itself [09:16] <jdub> it is not stopping improvement of yelp [09:16] <venda> that was not the question [09:16] <jdub> (in fact, it's pushing it along) [09:17] <venda> why do developers not develop more on the existing yelp [09:17] <venda> why do they not change it to solve the problems [09:17] <jsgotangco> " Until then, it should contain no more than about a dozen subtopics." [09:17] <jdub> this is a change designed to solve a problem [09:17] <jsgotangco> fine with me [09:17] <venda> jdub: who decides the limits [09:17] <venda> who decides what is the toc and what is not [09:18] <jdub> we do, based on what we perceive our users need [09:18] <venda> jdub: there is not limit [09:18] <venda> jdub: we don't even know what they need [09:18] <jdub> some are usefully obvious, like "what's new in <current version>" [09:19] <jdub> that's why we think critically, hypothesise, and make changes based on feedback [09:19] <rob^> jdub, at the moment thats not whats happening [09:19] <jdub> the current list is already based on what we know of our users [09:19] <venda> jdub: hmm, and al animals are equal but some are more equal than others [09:19] <jdub> (note that i don't believe it's final) [09:20] <jdub> welcome to user-centric software design [09:20] <jdub> it's hard [09:20] <jdub> there's no system [09:20] <venda> jdub: I would suggest you ask the users? [09:20] <venda> jdub: nobody has asked them [09:21] <jdub> well, two answers to that: [09:21] <jsgotangco> *ahem* we do receive feedback on the list one way or another [09:21] <jdub> a) users won't give immediately useful answers [09:21] <venda> jdub: mpt and Burgundavia with a bit of input from some doc people have sucked their thumbs and decided for the mass [09:21] <jdub> b) what's there is inferred and analysed from existing users [09:21] <rob^> venda, thats how I see it [09:21] <jdub> right, and that's what needs to be done to move forward [09:21] <jdub> then we iterate and improve [09:22] <venda> jdub: do perform user centric design you need to advertise to users and show them what you mean and request input [09:22] <jdub> (my first thought is that the language could be clearer, which i'll have to suggest) [09:23] <jdub> well, for a start, that will happen (to a degree) as soon as it lands [09:23] <venda> jdub: I must go now. But I have said what I think, if it counts, and I think others have also indictated disatisfaction with the approach to work method and the solution being presented. [09:23] <jdub> secondly, this sort of thing can be tested without even landing the changes [09:24] <jdub> but before you do user testing, you have to design something to test [09:24] <venda> right, but with input from a design team which is not happening [09:25] <jdub> as far as i can see, mpt and corey are the design team [09:25] <jdub> and i'm sure they'll accept feedback with good rationale [09:25] <venda> jdub: they forked FAQGUide and because people did not agree [09:25] <venda> jdub: they then just forced this approach [09:25] <jdub> i don't believe that's the sum total of what this line of action means [09:25] <venda> jdub: its all in the lists and the logs [09:26] <venda> jdub: it does not have to be. But mpt and Burgundavia are very dictatorial over what happens [09:26] <venda> which is leaving people with a bad taste [09:26] <venda> defocuing the team [09:27] <venda> and fragmenting the effort [09:27] <jdub> ah yes, dictatorial bad taste [09:27] <venda> if we did not have issues we would not be discusing them' [09:27] <venda> people, other than myself, have voiced concern [09:28] <venda> and they have been brushed off [09:28] <jsgotangco> i could understand Burgundavia's case but mpt just sprang up all of a sudden [09:28] <venda> the approach at present smacks of railroading [09:28] <venda> jsgotangco: we all see Burgundavia case [09:29] <venda> jsgotangco: we even agree with him in many points [09:29] <jsgotangco> but not the methodologies [09:29] <venda> but in the sapce of two days it was bagged and balled [09:29] <venda> taken as that is the way it will be [09:29] <venda> like it or love it [09:30] <venda> argue and we will cut you off at the knees [09:30] <venda> Oh and just to make sure we will do it all outside of the current structures [09:30] <jsgotangco> yes just like the crusades... [09:30] <venda> fuck all of you is written all over this [09:30] <venda> well my day in the real world must begin [09:31] <venda> later [09:31] <jsgotangco> *whew* [09:31] <jdub> that dude has so much bile [09:32] <rob^> yes [09:32] <rob^> but there is a reason behind it [09:32] <jsgotangco> changes are good but we don't need a revolution [09:32] <rob^> jsgotangco, agreed [09:33] <jdub> sounds like everyones assuming the worst [09:33] <jsgotangco> hmm no not really [09:33] <jsgotangco> i really like to change the front page really [09:33] <rob^> as would most people [09:33] <jsgotangco> but we'd like to be "in the know" at least of what's the master plan [09:33] <rob^> but we feel like we are being forced into something we haven't discussed or agreed to [09:34] <jdub> rob^: sure, but if you assume you're being forced, you're going to argue against it, everyone's going to get emotional, and no one's going to be focusing on settling problems :) [09:35] <rob^> jdub, I would like to settle the problems, but I'd at least like some input into the settling [09:35] <jdub> "I call again for people to focus on writing the docs and ignore the noise." <- totally the wrong strategy [09:36] <jsgotangco> well its august next week and a lot of docs still needs love... [09:37] <jdub> rob^: stoffers? [09:38] <rob^> jdub, yes [09:38] <jdub> just read your mail [09:39] <jsgotangco> hmmm why did he cc mako he's on the list anyways [09:40] <rob^> he feels strongly about it [09:40] <jsgotangco> Life at Kubuntu is much easier and not as [09:40] <jsgotangco> politically or religiously charged as ubuntu. [09:40] <jsgotangco> i hate it when he says that [09:41] <jdub> it's needlessly and purposefully divisive [09:41] <highvoltage> *sigh* [09:41] <jsgotangco> jdub: i agree [09:42] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: welcome to an ordinary day at #ubuntu-doc heh [09:45] <jsgotangco> jdub: what do you suggest for a conference Ubuntu presentation geared towards community and corporate types? Advocacy? Technology? [09:47] <jdub> you've seen my ones? [09:47] <jdub> hrm, wonder which are up now [09:48] <jdub> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/2005/ubuntu-on-the-desktop/ [09:48] <jdub> seen that one? [09:48] <rob^> jdub, that one is quite good, bit dated though [09:49] <rob^> well.. now anyway [09:49] <jsgotangco> jdub: i've seen those and plan to incorporate them [09:50] <jsgotangco> well mordernize it a bit [10:00] <jsgotangco> jdub: i sure wish i can still get a hold of the raw image used for the CD cover though it will help a lot with making paraphernalia... [11:25] <mdke> oh great [11:26] <jsgotangco> welcome mr. barrister [11:27] <mdke> this team is not a team at all [11:27] <jsgotangco> yeah we're better off with a steamroller i guess [11:28] <mdke> the crazy thing is that this sort of problem is easy to resolve [11:28] <mdke> we have two divisive factions, both of which aren't remotely interested in resolving matters through communication [11:29] <jsgotangco> please elaborate [11:29] <mdke> its up to us stuck in the middle to try [11:29] <mdke> erm [11:30] <mdke> ok elaborate [11:30] <mdke> after breakfast tho [11:30] <jsgotangco> duhh [11:31] <jsgotangco> im leaving in half an hour to try to catch up on the edubuntu meeting at 12utc [11:31] <mdke> k [11:32] <jsgotangco> mdke, let's just start Ubuntu-legal [11:32] <jsgotangco> i'll be your paralegal [11:32] <mdke> well rob^ is right that corey and matt haven't gone about this the right way, which is to look for team consensus. [11:32] <mdke> however froud is way divisive too [11:33] <mdke> his reaction is "let's not talk about this" [11:33] <mdke> we need to figure out how to make a team here [11:34] <jsgotangco> having sane people would be a good start [11:34] <mdke> well we have some ;) [11:34] <mdke> btw can i change the subject? [11:34] <jsgotangco> sure [11:34] <mdke> launchpad group [11:34] <mdke> nice idea [11:34] <jsgotangco> heh the WIKI team had one [11:35] <jsgotangco> what the heck why cant UDP [11:35] <jsgotangco> at least i said "Project" not "Team" [11:35] <jsgotangco> heh [11:35] <mdke> however, the main purpose of a group would be ultimately to control permissions IMO, like to a baz or svn repo, i think the group should be limited to those with commit access [11:35] <mdke> just an idea [11:36] <jsgotangco> all the people in the group? [11:36] <mdke> well as i see it the whole purpose of launchpad groups is to deal with permissions to do stuff [11:37] <jsgotangco> ok you lost me [11:37] <jsgotangco> permissions to what [11:37] <mdke> ok for example [11:37] <mdke> if you want to translate in rosetta you can only make suggestions right? [11:37] <mdke> unless you are a member of the translation group for a particular language [11:37] <jsgotangco> hmmm right [11:38] <mdke> the same applies to other groups [11:38] <jsgotangco> (which reminds me i should make a translation group for ours) [11:38] <mdke> ubuntu backporters get to upload to the backport repo, ubuntu gnome team get to work on gnome projects, etc etc [11:38] <jsgotangco> mdke, assuming our work is in launchpad? [11:39] <mdke> jsgotangco, it might not be in launchpad, but it might easily one day be controlled by launchpad [11:39] <mdke> e.g. commit access is granted by accession to the group in launchpad [11:39] <mdke> i see that as the main reason for making a group [11:40] <jsgotangco> hmm but launchpad currently has only 2 access modes [11:40] <jsgotangco> member and admin [11:40] <mdke> no, no [11:40] <mdke> membership of a particular group gives certain rights [11:40] <mdke> e.g. rosetta administrators can upload po files or whatever [11:40] <jsgotangco> ah alright i think i get your idea [11:40] <mdke> bazaar developers can upload their patches [11:40] <mdke> etc etc [11:41] <mdke> MOTU can upload theirs, and close bugs or whatever [11:41] <mdke> i _think_ that is the idea [11:41] <jsgotangco> well yes by design of launchpad it makes sense [11:41] <jsgotangco> hmm [11:41] <jsgotangco> btw [11:41] <jsgotangco> i got invited to do a talk on LinuxWorld Philippines [11:41] <mdke> that's been distorted a bit recently by the creation of random reams like new user network [11:42] <mdke> reams/teams [11:42] <jsgotangco> ahhh right [11:42] <mdke> but i think that is the idea [11:42] <jsgotangco> it does make sense for uploading teams though [11:42] <jsgotangco> but then we have Ubuntu Members [11:42] <mdke> yes [11:42] <mdke> and eventually being in that team will also give certain rights [11:43] <mdke> like email addresses or whatever else [11:43] <jsgotangco> i think the email address thing will be automated in launchpad once membership for a certain person is approved [11:43] <mdke> anyway, just an idea for the future [11:43] <mdke> yep [11:44] <jsgotangco> and will let members adjust their accounts accordingly [11:44] <mdke> anyway the team is moderated so you can think about it [11:45] <jsgotangco> i can make anyone an admin if needed [11:45] <jsgotangco> it just happened i created the team [11:45] <mdke> keep just you IMHO [11:45] <jsgotangco> ok [11:45] <jsgotangco> btw [11:45] <jsgotangco> how was your ceremony [11:46] <mdke> it was ok [11:46] <mdke> i'm now a lawyer [11:46] <jsgotangco> you should have celebrated by suing someone [11:46] <jsgotangco> *joke* [11:46] <mdke> not a bad idea... [11:46] <mdke> i can't practice though for another year [11:46] <jsgotangco> why so? [11:46] <mdke> i need to do a year of training before I'm fully qualified [11:47] <jsgotangco> err doesn't make you technically unemployed as a lawyer [11:47] <jsgotangco> that [11:47] <mdke> yes [11:47] <mdke> i start my year of training in october [11:47] <mdke> ooh launchpad has timezones for members now... [11:47] <mdke> cool [11:47] <jsgotangco> yeah [11:47] <jsgotangco> hrmm [11:48] <jsgotangco> ubuntite? [11:48] <mdke> Timezone: Europe/London [11:49] <mdke> ok i gtg [11:49] <mdke> have fun! [11:49] <jsgotangco> me too [11:49] <jsgotangco> see you later [03:11] <jsgotangco> hey jjesse [03:13] <jjesse> hiya jsgotangco [03:20] <jsgotangco> enrico: long time no chat! [03:22] <enrico> jsgotangco: eh. at the moment I'm busy reinstalling the home sevrer [03:24] <jsgotangco> hope everything is well with you [03:31] <jjesse> why do all the ubuntu servers take so $#@$#$$ long to load web pages for me [03:32] <jsgotangco> mmm [03:32] <jsgotangco> ask elmo i guess [03:45] <jsgotangco> greets mgalvin [03:48] <mgalvin> hi jsgotangco [03:48] <mgalvin> hi all [03:49] <jjesse> hiya mgalvin [04:01] <mgalvin> hey jjesse [04:02] <mgalvin> been busy past few days... rob^ went to town on the faqguide :) [04:02] <mgalvin> rob^: kudos :) [04:03] <jjesse> hey KUDOS is the Kubuntu User Guide :) [06:58] <jjesse> hiya rob^ [07:25] <rob^> ping mpt [07:26] <mpt> rob^: pong [07:26] <rob^> hey [07:27] <rob^> I have been having a good look at your proposal for the yelp front page [07:27] <rob^> I think what you have there are some pretty good ideas [07:27] <mpt> cool [07:27] <mpt> I have some comments on your proposal too, but not sure where to post them [07:28] <mpt> If I put them on the wiki page itself, the comments would be larger than the original :-) [07:28] <rob^> heh [07:28] <rob^> I think the idea that help should be about "help" and less about books is a good one [07:28] <mpt> mmm [07:30] <rob^> the main problem I have is that of rail roading [07:30] <mpt> rail roading? [07:30] <rob^> not on your behalf [07:30] <rob^> but on behalf of corey [07:31] <rob^> I was recently the recipient of much of this myself and as such looked at your proposal with "cloudy eyes" [07:32] <rob^> what you have is actually pretty good [07:33] <mpt> I don't mean to jump on anyone's toes [07:33] <rob^> no [07:33] <rob^> I realise that [08:07] <mpt> Hmm, I need to rply to that "Future direction thread" :-) [08:07] <rob^> heh [08:07] <rob^> originaly the FAQ was licenced under the GPL [08:08] <rob^> the reason we have it as BY-SA and GFDL is that the original authors agreed to let us use it under that [08:08] <rob^> ubuntuguide.org that is [08:10] <rob^> I doubt they would have a problem if we wanted to also use it under the GPL [08:10] <rob^> but yeah, group debate is needed [08:12] <rob^> well, I'm off to bed [08:12] <rob^> night mpt, thanks for the talk [08:18] <mpt> g'night [08:21] <mdke> <3 [08:22] <mpt> mdke: ? [08:24] <mdke> was worried the team love was getting at a low ebb [08:24] <mdke> glad you two are gonna get your heads together [08:24] <mpt> We're a dysfunctional family, but full of love [08:24] <mdke> heh [08:25] <mdke> like the simpsons [08:25] <mpt> I thought Miguel had made it famous [08:26] <mpt> ah, it's "You can now flame me, I am full of love" [08:28] <mpt> http://everything2.com/?node_id=1084835 [08:31] <mgalvin> not sure if it matters much since debian will accept the by-sa lic soon anyway, but i have no objects to moving the powerpc.ubuntuguide.org content that i wrote to use GPL, we would still need chua's consent as well though [09:07] <jjesse> in regards to my email yesterday on previewing docs is there a way in Kubuntu that I can preview docs before i upload them to svn? [09:15] <mpt> yay freenode [09:16] <mpt> mgalvin: the importance of the GPL is that it lets beautifully-written help sentences be moved from the help into the actual GUI of the relevant software, vastly increasing their effectiveness. [09:30] <mgalvin> mpt: I see the light :) like i said i have no objects to using the g GPL, i am really not that picky about it and if it will make the docs more useful then +2

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:37.861998

2005-08-03-#ubuntu

[12:00] <salil> anyone who can help me install bluetooth adapter..? [12:00] <apokryphos> salil: heh, still, eh? [12:00] <Firetech> I have a Bluetooth dongle... [12:00] <azik> Firetech, uhm, then near 60MB/s... my hard disk don't go so fast :) [12:00] <salil> apokryphos: yes. [12:00] <salil> apokryphos: nevin has left.. [12:00] <salil> apokryphos: so i'm stranded now [12:00] <LiNoH> i'd like to know if after install i can normally use "sudo" to run root programs [12:01] <azik> perhaps is the disk a bottleneck? [12:01] <BirdFish> Hi, how would I go about making a panel completely invisible? When I set the visibility, it still shows a bar on each side. [12:01] <sun_> hi is there a way to keep gdm from starting when ubuntu boots [12:01] <Firetech> another question: is ti possible to "rename" (disk name) a FAT partition from linux? [12:01] <tucoz> LasseL, thanks a lot. Works like a charm [12:01] <hollywoodb> salil: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34740 *might* help [12:01] <salil> apokryphos: do you know how to install bluetooth adapter..? [12:01] <jowi> LiNoH, you should. you can add users to /etc/sudoers [12:01] <salil> hollywoodb: thanks.. i'll try [12:01] <apokryphos> salil: no idea I'm afraid -- never used it [12:03] <cadu> xorg has better performance than xfree? [12:03] <cadu> :") [12:03] <cadu> sun_: remove it from your default runlevel [12:03] <jazzanova> i am using uxterm. how do i select a larger size utf8 font ? [12:03] <xulin> nanuit [12:04] <jazzanova> how can i find out the font that uxterm uses now, by default ? [12:05] <jowi> jazzanova, if you are using gnome you should look under prefs->font (sorry for being unspecifig, no gnome started here) [12:05] <Derkommissar> i want a terminal for x that would not hug up as much as the gnome-terminal does... but that would give me funtions like copy-n-paste and scroll back,,, something as ligth as xterm but with the basic features [12:05] <jazzanova> i am not using gnome [12:05] <jowi> jazzanova, what are you using? [12:05] <hollywoodb> Derkommissar: i always liked rxvt & aterm [12:05] <jazzanova> i am using ratpoison [12:06] <jazzanova> i want the font that i need to give to -fn option for uxterm [12:06] <LiNoH> jowi, thanks [12:06] <jazzanova> the font is this long ugly string. which part of it says that it is a utf8 font ? [12:06] <godzirra_> Seveas: are you here? [12:06] <LiNoH> but i had problem with my last ubuntu install [12:07] <LiNoH> i couldnt run programs with sudo [12:07] <linukso> Derkommissar: rxvt-unicode is great! [12:07] <sun_> is there a program which can record audio off my microphone? [12:07] <LiNoH> aind i didn't know root pass [12:07] <Derkommissar> cool [12:07] <godzirra_> Seveas: I was told to ask you about splashimages with grub. For some reason I can get mine to work at the grub command prompt, but not when actually booting up. [12:07] <Derkommissar> gonna download it [12:07] <jazzanova> sun: arecord [12:07] <cybernightlife> LiNoH: This is the reason I installed Ubuntu with the expert mode. [12:08] <hollywoodb> jazzanova: xfontsel/quit [12:08] <mpmc> not very busy in here is it tonight? [12:08] <LiNoH> cybernightlife, i didn't see default or expert in instalation [12:09] <LiNoH> does somebody know an IRC chat with ubuntu support in portuguese? [12:09] <LiNoH> i dont speak english very well [12:09] <mpmc> Linoh: try /list [12:09] <dtorg21> #ndiswrapper [12:09] <LiNoH> hum.. [12:09] <jazzanova> hollywoodb: so what it is supposed to do when i quit ? [12:09] <cybernightlife> LiNoH: When you start your PC with the Ubuntu CD-ROM in the drive, you will get the boot prompt. [12:09] <sun_> how do you launch xorg from the cmd line? ie is it just startx as usual? [12:10] <cybernightlife> To get there, type "expert" to start expert mode. [12:10] <LiNoH> cybernightlife, hum.. [12:10] <LiNoH> thanks [12:10] <cybernightlife> You're welcome. [12:10] <jazzanova> is the 'u' in the encoding, at the end of the font name, stand for utf ? [12:10] <LiNoH> when it was "boot:" [12:11] <LiNoH> cybernightlife, how i install with expert mode? whats the difference? [12:11] <holycow> more questions [12:11] <brian__> ok im back [12:11] <brian__> had a house call [12:11] <brian__> terrible stuff [12:11] <cybernightlife> LiNoH: Expert mode gives you control over most aspects of your Ubuntu installation. [12:11] <holycow> windows again brian__ ? [12:11] <brian__> yeah they were all runnin winblows [12:12] <hybrid_goth> lol [12:12] <jowi> brian__, all of them? how many are you talking about?! lol [12:12] <cybernightlife> Including the root password. The root account is disabled in the default installation, but not with expert mode. [12:12] <holycow> brian__, i've had a similar reaction in those situations [12:12] <holycow> i now litterally hate having to run and fix windows [12:12] <holycow> not for any elitist reason, it makes me money and thats good [12:12] <brian__> i had a voicemail when i got back [12:13] <holycow> i think i'm just spoiled on linux [12:13] <hybrid_goth> holycow: fixing other ppls over then fone sux [12:13] <brian__> the lady said her kids put a broken cd in th e "cd changer" and the pieces fell into the modem [12:13] <holycow> hybrid_goth, i don't mind that, i litterally just hate having to sit down and try to fix that useless pos. [12:13] <brian__> lmao [12:13] <holycow> its an endless cycle of virus scans, spyware scans, reboots [12:13] <popey> my sisters daughters have ballsed up their windows pc [12:13] <popey> i have to fix it [12:13] <holycow> reboots into 'safe mode' [12:14] <popey> it's so tiresome [12:14] <holycow> reboots into normal mode [12:14] <aarcane> holycow, too much Linux is a bad thing.. it gets you accustomed to things just working, which is not at all like the reality of computers using Windows and Mac... [12:14] <brian__> yeah all runnin comcraps in the house [12:14] <popey> it wont boot [12:14] <holycow> install driver, reboot [12:14] <linukso> Hi! I see that ubuntu-backports and extras are in the official archives. [12:14] <holycow> it takes forever to get anything done [12:14] <brian__> and all had unbelievable amounts of SHIT [12:14] <godzirra_> Anyone have any experience with splashimages in grub? [12:14] <brian__> it was almost as if they purposely clicked on every po-up they got [12:14] <mpmc> holycow: Windoze.. is easy to mess up... [12:14] <holycow> aarcane, and i honestly am not a zealot in the sense that i'm being snooty, its just a lot easier to run linux [12:14] <mpmc> windows 95 is even easier! [12:14] <holycow> mpmc, *nod* [12:15] <aarcane> holycow, totally true [12:15] <Andares> Hi. [12:15] <Andares> Is there some lib called "gl"? [12:15] <brian__> i wish i could say that [12:15] <aarcane> holycow, although I am a zealout.. [12:15] <Andares> Because I CANT FIND IT [12:15] <brian__> I will be able to soon [12:15] <aarcane> Andares, nope.. shouldn't be a lib called that. it's a 3D hardware thing [12:15] <brian__> im just going to pretend I dont have windows xp and even if I did i wouldnt know how to crack it [12:15] <esac> ok seriously, has anybody gotten evolution to work with a microsoft exchange server ? [12:15] <holycow> aarcane, well i admit to being labeled that :) ehe, if it wasn't made by ms but some other company, it would still suck just as much i mean [12:16] <LiNoH> cybernightlife, hum.. but the install is similar? and it is difficult to beginning users? [12:16] <brian__> my main thing is being able to run my fav game [12:16] <brian__> thats all [12:16] <poningru> I had a question why isnt nautilus fully explorer like? [12:16] <SprflyZapp> anyone know of a linux app that plays wmv files?? [12:16] <poningru> by default [12:17] <brian__> i even bought cedega last night but have no idea what to do with the installs [12:17] <holycow> brian__, hey, if you gotta run windows, you gotta [12:17] <holycow> nothin wrong with that [12:17] <brian__> NO [12:17] <Kamzi> flyzapp: realplayer for linux mite if u can get the plugins [12:17] <holycow> i still gotta fire up dreamweaver on win2k on vmware because quanta is very very crashy [12:17] <frank> poningru: that is what I hate most about gnome. and also why i like kde. the file manager [12:17] <brian__> dont say things like that [12:17] <brian__> ever again [12:17] <holycow> lol [12:17] <holycow> :) [12:17] <salil> anyone who can help me with installing bluetooth adapter?? [12:17] <jazzanova> in xfontsel i can see that i only have one unicode font [12:17] <brian__> :P [12:18] <holycow> welcome [12:18] <holycow> :) [12:18] <holycow> haha [12:18] <jazzanova> where i download more fonts ? [12:18] <poningru> frank: you probably havent tried it to the fullest [12:18] <frank> SprflyZapp: all the media players work with wmv. You need w32codecs [12:18] <frank> poningru: most likely not [12:18] <brian__> tx [12:18] <cybernightlife> LiNoH: Yes, it is similar, and it is just a matter of reading the screens and answering questions. When in doubt, use the defaults. [12:18] <holycow> jazzanova, well the internet is generaly a good start [12:18] <Kamzi> salil: u wanna install a usb bluetooth dondle in linux ? [12:18] <holycow> -_- [12:18] <SprflyZapp> does totem? [12:18] <brian__> ;) [12:18] <poningru> do you see an address bar? a zoom level etc.? [12:18] <salil> yes [12:18] <jazzanova> holycow: no debian package ? [12:18] <roodee> can anyone tell me how to install AMULE? [12:18] <Kamzi> salil: try good ol google [12:18] <cybernightlife> As for ease of use, Ubuntu installation is very similar IMO to the text mode Red Hat (Fedora) install.\ [12:18] <jazzanova> i want a standard font for uxterm [12:18] <holycow> jazzanova, theres really no such thing as free fonts [12:18] <salil> Kamzi: yes [12:18] <deprave-> anyone know where i can snag a different skin for bmp? [12:19] <jazzanova> that is slightly bigger than default [12:19] <brian__> i just want to have "control" over my OS and "MY" computer [12:19] <holycow> fonts are usually for pay, unless they suck [12:19] <Kamzi> roodee: do mean emule ? [12:19] <fabio> hola [12:19] <SprflyZapp> yeah there is free fonts [12:19] <brian__> not bill gates runnin my shit [12:19] <holycow> in which case you can try the terrible free fonts [12:19] <frank> roodee: its in universe. Install with synaptic [12:19] <salil> Kamzi: i did.. lot of stuff there.. but. too much of a mess... [12:19] <holycow> or you can buy adobe font folio [12:19] <frank> Kamzi: its amule [12:19] <mpmc> for fonts try www.dafonts.com [12:19] <fabio> necesito conf el aptitude y nose como alguien me ayuda [12:19] <spet2134> aloco [12:19] <spet2134> q issu??? [12:19] <python_> yes deprave : type "gnome look" into google [12:19] <roodee> i am an newbe [12:19] <holycow> you can use all adobe truetype fonts, by simply putting them into your ~/user/.font folder [12:19] <spet2134> ingreis????? [12:19] <SprflyZapp> or google the word open source fonts [12:19] <frank> fabio: spanish -> #ubuntu-es [12:19] <cybernightlife> ...and is no more difficult to install than Windows XP, only you save the massive licensing fees :-) [12:19] <Kamzi> salil: what make, model try the companys website sometimes you can be surprised [12:19] <roodee> the online help did not work well [12:19] <brian__> roodee join the club [12:19] <spet2134> awwawawawawawawawaw [12:19] <fabio> ok [12:20] <roodee> how do i do that? [12:20] <brian__> well the main thing is getting to know the termonology [12:20] <spet2134> q merda [12:20] <jazzanova> i want a font 9x15 but with utf8 [12:20] <spet2134> isso aqui!!! [12:20] <spet2134> caca [12:20] <holycow> cybernightlife, and the indignity of 'having to register' [12:20] <salil> Kamzi: i only have that dmesg gave me.. HCI USB driver ver 2.7 [12:20] <frank> !addingrepositories [12:20] <ubotu> I don't know, frank [12:20] <brian__> then what you read in help forums you will be able to somewhat comprehend [12:20] <holycow> every time i haveto go through the xp c [12:20] <cybernightlife> holycow: Especially that! [12:20] <roodee> aha [12:20] <frank> !repositories [12:20] <ubotu> I heard repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos [12:20] <cybernightlife> and that so called "activation code". [12:21] <anders__> have some got the new windows ?? [12:21] <holycow> activation process i feel like i've been released for aushcwitz but now i have a leg tracking device [12:21] <frank> roodee: check that link to activate universe [12:21] <jazzanova> holycow: i want to use a system font, that is 9x15 but with unicode. is there such ? [12:21] <dtorg21> Anyone able to help with wireless? [12:21] <Kamzi> salil: being n00b i am g ive me 2 secs to find usumthin [12:21] <brian__> WGA? [12:21] <brian__> lol [12:21] <jazzanova> the misc package has a font like that, with alias 9x15 [12:21] <brian__> yeah i ran it the minute it came out [12:21] <salil> Kamzi: thanks [12:21] <holycow> jazzanova, i've never used unicode fonts, and don't even know where to download those ... [12:21] <brian__> got nailed [12:21] <jazzanova> they should be part of the system [12:21] <anders__> hehe [12:21] <ramblingturtle> having a problem with installing gstreamer plugins it says unmet dependencies and when i try with -f that dosn't help any suggestions [12:21] <jazzanova> i just don't know how to reference them [12:22] <anders__> whos is running? [12:22] <jazzanova> holycow: what is your locale ? [12:22] <mpmc> where can I get a client like shareaza for linux? [12:22] <azik> mpmc try amule [12:22] <holycow> good question, anyone know how you check the locale of the system? [12:22] <jazzanova> echo $LANG [12:22] <mpmc> with all networks [12:23] <Kamzi> salil: giime a min i need to logout and back in again [12:23] <holycow> en_CA.UTF-8 [12:23] <jowi> jazzanova, i think that charset is the command you are looking for btw. but i have not used it myself. [12:23] <holycow> danke jazzanova [12:23] <holycow> jazzanova, love the nick btw :) [12:23] <salil> Kamzi: sure.. [12:23] <jazzanova> :) [12:23] <mpmc> like Gnutella,emule,bittorrent... [12:23] <jazzanova> ok, so you are on utf8 too [12:23] <holycow> jazzanova, your nick sounds like a snooty inside joke by a jazz musician [12:23] <rgould> Is it possible to hook up a PDF driver to the printer system? [12:23] <rgould> so I can print to a PDF file, that is [12:24] <jazzanova> i want to increase the font to a size a bitlarger than default one when one runs xterm. i use uxterm, because it has utf8 support. [12:24] <cybernightlife> rgould: You only need to configure Ghostscript to output to PDF. [12:24] <azik> rgould, print to ps, then, ps2pdf file.ps :) [12:24] <rgould> hmm [12:25] <ramblingturtle> having a problem with installing gstreamer plugins it says unmet dependencies and when i try with -f that dosn't help any suggestions [12:25] <azik> cybernightlife, how you configure it? [12:25] <fabio> #ubuntu-es [12:25] <fabio> servidor ubuntu spaol [12:26] <brian__> ok my friend ordered me a sub from wegmans [12:26] <brian__> anyway [12:26] <cybernightlife> azik: It is just a matter of redirecting output to device "pdfwrite". [12:26] <roodee> what do i do after checking universe? [12:26] <cybernightlife> at the time you call Ghostscript directly.\ [12:27] <brian__> chickenfinger BBQ/ and chickenfinger Buff style [12:27] <brian__> 1/2 and 1/2 [12:27] <brian__> good chit [12:27] <mpmc> does anyone know any good p2p client! [12:27] <roodee> amule [12:27] <roodee> but i can make it work... [12:27] <mpmc> with the other networks [12:27] <mpmc> like Gnutella [12:27] <roodee> but i cant make it work... [12:27] <mpmc> etc [12:28] <jasoncohen> ramblingturtle, what are the unmet dependencies? paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in pastebin [12:28] <brian__> ok so listen I have cedega TGZ and cedega DEB which do i want for ubuntu [12:28] <jowi> rgould, easiest way is to install cups-pdf package [12:28] <sun_> hi arecord and other sound recording progs dont pick up any sound; aumix has my mic vol up 100%, what shoudl i do? [12:28] <ramblingturtle> jasconcohen: will do [12:29] <mpmc> P2P?? [12:29] <brian__> HELLO??? [12:29] <Kamzi333> salil ? [12:29] <brian__> I have cedega TGZ and cedega DEB which do i want for ubuntu [12:29] <sun_> brian__ deb [12:29] <brian__> sun_ thank you [12:29] <azik> cybernightlife, is there any form to do it with cups? [12:29] <rgould> jowi, I just discovered that, thanks. I am trying to figure out how to make it work. [12:30] <brian__> do i want to open it with archive manager [12:30] <ramblingturtle> jasconcohen: post under name ramblingturtle [12:30] <brian__> ? [12:30] <sun_> how do i get sound recording to work, mic is at 100% but no sound coming into arecord [12:30] <rgould> Ah! I think I have it. [12:30] <brian__> or can i run from terminal [12:30] <jowi> brian__, no. you install it with "dpkg -i cedega........deb" if it does not come with an installer [12:31] <jazzanova> sun: make sure it is enabled (the mic) [12:31] <Kamzi333> Salil; are you there ? [12:31] <jowi> rgould, congrats :-) [12:31] <jasoncohen> ramblingturtle, give me the url [12:31] <sun_> jazzanova how do i check if its enabled? [12:31] <jazzanova> in alsaconf [12:31] <jazzanova> make sure it doesn't say Off [12:31] <ramblingturtle> jasoncohen: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/807 [12:31] <brian__> thanks, am i running that from root term or term? [12:32] <brian__> im such a newb' [12:32] <jowi> brian__, root-term works fine. if you are running from a normal term you just put "sudo" in front of your commands [12:33] <jasoncohen> ramblingturtle, and your /etc/apt/sources.list [12:33] <CapSoft> lo folks [12:33] <CapSoft> noob question [12:33] <CapSoft> i have a win xp pro client in the network [12:33] <CapSoft> with a ltp printer (brand: HP) [12:33] <CapSoft> can i print on that from ubuntu? [12:33] <cybernightlife> azik: I know that can be done, I am researching this topic. What I do know is that KDE does allow direct to PDF output, and that it does not use CUPS to accomplish this. [12:34] <roodee> how do i install amule? [12:34] <cybernightlife> CapSoft: Which model of HP printer are you using? [12:34] <jasoncohen> ramblingturtle, you need to have universe enabled [12:34] <jasoncohen> ramblingturtle, though i don't see how you can see gstreamer0.8-plugins but not the other plugins in universe [12:34] <CapSoft> deskjet 940C if i remember correctly cybernightlife [12:34] <CapSoft> roodee, i use mldonkey [12:34] <ramblingturtle> jasoncohen: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/808 [12:34] <cybernightlife> You should be able to use that printer with Ubuntu. [12:35] <brian__> its telling me i need superuser privledges [12:35] <roodee> i can install that too... ? [12:35] <brian__> privleges* [12:35] <MartenH> brian__: sudo ... [12:35] <roodee> i CANT install that too... ? [12:35] <CapSoft> cybernightlife, through lan? [12:35] <jowi> brian__, sudo dpkg -i cedega.x.x.x.x.deb (then enter your password when asked) [12:35] <CapSoft> while it is connected to windows? [12:35] <brian__> thanks [12:35] <azik> cybernightlife thanks [12:36] <cybernightlife> CapSoft: Absolutely. [12:36] <MartenH> brian__: any command needing extended privileges should be prefixed with sudo (superuser do) [12:36] <cybernightlife> azik: You're welcome. [12:36] <roodee> do i have to install other packages to tun mldonkay [12:36] <brian__> you guys are the chit! [12:36] <cybernightlife> CapSoft: Simply configure CUPS to use Samba. [12:36] <jasoncohen> ramblingturtle, lol, according to this you have no main [12:36] <CapSoft> cups should use samba? [12:36] <jasoncohen> just universe and multiverse [12:36] <salil> Kamzi: hey.. i installed it.. [12:36] <MartenH> brian__: lol, bout as new as you :) [12:36] <CapSoft> :S i am a noob... [12:36] <cybernightlife> and then to use the HPIJS driver. [12:36] <salil> Kamzi: :D [12:36] <jowi> brian__, so will you be with some practice man [12:36] <ramblingturtle> jasoncohen: let me check that [12:37] <jeanluc> hey can some one help me play mp3s? [12:37] <CapSoft> how can i configure cups? [12:37] <jeanluc> they don't work in ubuntu [12:37] <brian__> Selecting previously deselected package cedega. [12:37] <brian__> (Reading database ... 58106 files and directories currently installed.) [12:37] <brian__> Unpacking cedega (from .../Desktop/cedega_4.4-1_i386.deb) ... [12:37] <brian__> Setting up cedega (4.4-1) ... [12:37] <CapSoft> jeanluc, sure... xmms? [12:37] <jeanluc> ya [12:37] <brian__> then it just stops [12:37] <fabio> espaol [12:37] <cybernightlife> Ubuntu should have a utility to configure printers. [12:37] <ramblingturtle> jasoncohen: let me post that again [12:37] <jeanluc> capsoft I have xmms I don't think I have the codec though. [12:37] <fabio> spanish ? [12:37] <CapSoft> it's default there if i remember correctly [12:38] <jazzanova> what is scalable font ? is this fixed width ? [12:38] <jeanluc> the mp3 will play [12:38] <brian__> hmm [12:38] <jeanluc> but no sound [12:38] <brian__> im lost now [12:38] <cybernightlife> Yes, you can also type in http://localhost:631/ to get to CUPS administration. [12:38] <brian__> well i was lost [12:38] <brian__> now im loster [12:38] <cybernightlife> from any web browser. [12:38] <brian__> :P [12:38] <salil> Kamzi: you there ..?? [12:38] <mpmc> how do I install java? [12:38] <goldfish> !mounting [12:38] <ubotu> Wish i knew, goldfish [12:38] <goldfish> !mount [12:38] <ubotu> hmm... mount is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions [12:39] <fabio> aaaaaalguien me pesca ? [12:39] <brian__> i wouldnt be using linux if i actually used words like "loster" [12:39] <azik> cybernightlife, i find http://cip.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~vrbehr/cups-pdf/, something to try about it [12:39] <CapSoft> cybernightlife, i clicked on system [12:39] <brian__> but i do need halp [12:39] <CapSoft> and then management [12:39] <fabio> buuuuu alguien me ayuda [12:39] <CapSoft> printing [12:39] <cybernightlife> azik: Thanks. [12:39] <CapSoft> and then a new printer [12:39] <mpmc> !search java [12:39] <ubotu> mpmc: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about [12:39] <CapSoft> with tab connection i did network printing [12:39] <mpmc> !java [12:39] <azik> apt-cache search cups-pdf [12:39] <azik> cups-pdf - PDF Writer backend for CUPS [12:39] <ubotu> somebody said java was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added. [12:39] <concept10> Anyone succesful with scaning in Ubuntu? I have an HP OfficeJect 6110 All in one - it says its not detected [12:39] <azik> haha [12:39] <azik> xD [12:39] <CapSoft> but what's wrong with windows printing? [12:40] <salil> Kamzi: ?? [12:40] <brian__> Selecting previously deselected package cedega. [12:40] <cybernightlife> concept10: Are you using the HPLIP or HPOJ drivers? [12:40] <brian__> Unpacking cedega (from .../Desktop/cedega_4.4-1_i386.deb) ... [12:40] <azik> try it cybernightlife ;) [12:40] <brian__> (Reading database ... 58106 files and directories currently installed.) [12:40] <Spud_> hi im havin a tough time installing my nvidia driver [12:40] <brian__> Selecting previously deselected package cedega. [12:40] <brian__> then doesnt do anything else [12:40] <jowi> brian__, installation should be complete. here is a howto you should read on how to install games and to run them: http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Cedega_4.2.1-1_howto [12:41] <Spud_> it says i have to stop the x server and kill any opengl programs that are running [12:41] <procrastinator> Does anyone in here have experiences with an Motorola Surfboard SB4100 under Ubuntu? [12:41] <admx> Hi, I'm think about buying a HP 2550L Laser Printer do you think there will be any problem using it with Ubuntu 5.04? [12:41] <admx> [12:41] <CapSoft> procrastinator, [12:41] <CapSoft> why? [12:41] <mpmc> !java [12:41] <ubotu> java is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added. [12:42] <mpmc> I cant access that page! [12:42] <jasoncohen> !repositories [12:42] <ubotu> I heard repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos [12:42] <jasoncohen> !repos [12:42] <ubotu> I guess repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [12:42] <funkyHat> procrastinator, is that a ethernet/usb cable modem? [12:42] <procrastinator> CapSoft: Because my sister has signed with an ISP that wants her to use it [12:42] <jasoncohen> hmm, what's the pastebin with the full repositories? [12:42] <CapSoft> ok but most of the time, procrastinator, you only have to fill in stuff [12:42] <funkyHat> jasoncohen, you can add them by ticking boxes in synaptic [12:42] <funkyHat> try it [12:42] <CapSoft> like macaddress [12:43] <CapSoft> or hostname [12:43] <procrastinator> CapSoft: And tomorrow I'm going to her to set up her new GNU/Linux box [12:43] <procrastinator> funkyHat: yes [12:43] <Spud_> anyone able to help me install an nvidia driver? [12:43] <jasoncohen> funkyHat, i know, i've never liked the synaptic method. i'm asking for other users [12:43] <procrastinator> CapSoft: Ok, could you be a bit more specific? [12:43] <CapSoft> well what provider is it? [12:44] <funkyHat> procrastinator, i have one (or similar surfboard). never had any issues, using the ethernet only [12:44] <CapSoft> most of the time they provide an install document for windows with it [12:44] <procrastinator> Capsoft: Cause as soon as I get to her place, there's no internet before I've set up the modem ;) [12:44] <CapSoft> you can follow the same steps, only act a bit diferent [12:44] <thechitowncubs> procrastinator: i have that modem [12:44] <funkyHat> procrastinator, plug the modem into the ethernet, it works [12:44] <CapSoft> indeed [12:44] <CapSoft> most of the time it does [12:44] <thechitowncubs> the USB is a waste [12:44] <procrastinator> CapSoft: Okay... [12:44] <Spud_> allright ill check back later [12:44] <CapSoft> i only had to put in a hostname [12:45] <CapSoft> if i put in a hostname my provider gave me.. i get an ip from dhcp autmatically [12:45] <procrastinator> Oh, I didn't realize that it was possible to avoid the USB... [12:45] <cybernightlife> I better get going myself. Check in later. [12:45] <puterfixer> USB sucks, basically your operating system will create a virtual network interface in software instead of using a hardware network card, and that software emulation eats up resources and is not too stable/mature either [12:46] <funkyHat> and i couldn't get that to work either [12:46] <funkyHat> i tried when i was trying to set up internet connection sharing [12:46] <funkyHat> i gave up and got a router instead :P [12:46] <puterfixer> smart thinking :) [12:47] <procrastinator> How about port forwarding on it? How's that? [12:48] <procrastinator> Or is the no protection in it whatsoever, before I buy a router for her? [12:49] <salil> Kamzi: you there.? [12:49] <funkyHat> procrastinator, there is no protection, your box will be directly connected to the internet [12:49] <puterfixer> if it's a simple modem, then it's just like a media convertor, doesn't have any routing features hence no forwarding or firewall-like protection [12:49] <procrastinator> funkyHat: Ok. [12:50] <brian__> can someone tell me why im getting this message? [12:50] <brian__> cannot find '/mnt/cdrom0/setup.exe' [12:50] <brian__> or when i try cannot find '/mnt/cdrom/setup.exe' [12:50] <nevin> brian__: what are you doing to get the message? [12:50] <brian__> and change cdrom to cdrom0 [12:50] <procrastinator> puterfixer: Well, vendors have a tendency to put their crappy security soft/hardware all over products [12:50] <procrastinator> ;) [12:50] <brian__> tryin to use cedega to install unreal [12:51] <puterfixer> I know :( [12:51] <Randall64> ah, crap [12:51] <nevin> brian__: cedega probably thinks the cdrom drive is mounted under /mnt, but under ubuntu, its under /media [12:52] <nevin> brian__: you're going to need to reconfigure cedega to reflect this [12:52] <brian__> lol [12:52] <brian__> thats sounds easy [12:52] <CapSoft> its /cdrom [12:52] <brian__> which is it? [12:52] <procrastinator> But thank you all, you put a rest on all my worries - at first I thought it was only USB =) [12:52] <CapSoft> what i just said [12:53] <CapSoft> uhm one moment [12:53] <nevin> /cdrom is a link to /media/cdrom [12:53] <CapSoft> its indeed /media/cdrom0 or cdrom1 [12:54] <esac> how do i enable ssh access to my system ? [12:54] <MartenH> where do I find gnome themes? [12:54] <esac> www.gnome-look.org ? [12:55] <CapSoft> do /etc/init.rd/sshd start [12:55] <nevin> esac: sudo apt-get install openssh-server [12:55] <cato_> something is kind of weird with my xorg.conf .. It seems it wont use the ATI OpenGL library.. my config is posted here: http://transgaming.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=20267#20267 It would be awesome if anyone of you could overlook it and tell me if anything is wrong.. :\ (my system still uses the damn MesaGL library) [12:55] <danielrr> hi all [12:55] <danielrr> having no luck installing Ubuntu [12:55] <MartenH> esac: ty [12:56] <brian__> /usr/lib/transgaming_cedega//winex/bin/wine: cannot find '/mnt/media/cdrom/setup.exe' [12:56] <ColonelKernel> rofl still banned for nothing in #fedora - good thing too, otherwise i never would have found ubuntu [12:56] <nevin> brian__: you need to get rid or the /mnt part of the path [12:56] <funkyHat> brian__, it's /media/cdrom0 [12:56] <funkyHat> no /mnt [12:56] <nevin> NO, media [12:57] <salil> nevin: i did manage to install the bluetooth software.. but.. the phone manager asks for a passcode.. what do i give there... any ideas..?? [12:57] <nevin> danielrr: what's causing your troubles [12:58] <nevin> salil: did you set any such passcode in your phone? I assume you're using this to interface with your mobile [12:58] <salil> no [12:59] <nevin> salil: no to which part? passcode, or for your mobile? [12:59] <brian__> OMG IM INSTALLING UREAL TOURNAMENT [12:59] <salil> nevin: i want to pair my phone with the computer [12:59] <brian__> Ive got wood [12:59] <salil> nevin: no i didn't set passcode [12:59] <cato_> Im sorry if im being unpolite by asking again, but did anyone check out my xorg.conf posted in the transgaming forum? [12:59] <apokryphos> cato_: what's the problem? [12:59] <nevin> salil: snoop around your phone's bluetooth settings for this to see if there's a passcode to be set [01:00] <brian__> now before i go and mess everything up [01:00] <brian__> should i just let it install naturally? [01:00] <brian__> im staring at the unreal setup window [01:00] <salil> nevin: the thing is.. both the pc and the phone ask for the passcode.. and you have to give the same passcode at both the places.. but here..the pc didn't ask for passcode.. only the phone did [01:00] <cato_> apokryphos, im having trouble with my ati drivers and opengl library.. it seems it always loads the mesagl library, i've followed the steps for the newest drivers from ati.. but to no avail, im wondering if my xorg.conf is bad or something [01:00] <danielrr> Neven well I am on my fouth try installing and it hats in the same placehere is the error I get:Setting up gstreamer0.8-flac/var/lib/dpkg/info/gstreamer0.8-flac.postinst: line 8: 15917 Segmentation fault gst-register-0.8 --gst-debug-level=0 >/dev/null [01:01] <cato_> apokryphos, my config is posted here: http://transgaming.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=20267#20267 [01:01] <DukGalNamu> someone please type my nick [01:01] <apokryphos> cato_: why not use Ubuntu's drivers? [01:01] <cato_> apokryphos, they wont allow me to play games with cedega [01:01] <nevin> danielrr: I got that error with a bad disk [01:01] <brian__> OK please listen [01:01] <cato_> apokryphos, and i'm told they are like 4 releases old [01:01] <DukGalNamu> anyone? [01:01] <DukGalNamu> please? [01:02] <brian__> it is giving me a path of C:/unrealtournament [01:02] <danielrr> well i am on my second (pressed copy) [01:02] <nevin> DukGalNamu? [01:02] <salil> DukGalNamu: what's wrong? [01:02] <brian__> should I leave that? [01:02] <apokryphos> cato_: so old? I wouldn't know -- I use AVI. Though the problem isn't likely with your xorg.conf, but rather with the installation of the driver [01:02] <DukGalNamu> hmm [01:02] <cato_> apokryphos, i've also tried usinig the "new installer" thingie, but that didnt work either.. it always uses the damn MesaGL library [01:02] <nevin> dnaiel: yes [01:02] <DukGalNamu> nevin: it was supposed to play a song when you did that [01:02] <nevin> salil: I'm assuming you have set a passcode previously? [01:02] <wolarsen> hi ppl. i ve got very strange problem. i have download ubuntu iso, burn it to cd-r, but i cant boot! ( i have lost 2 cdr :-\ ) [01:02] <isai> is there a cmd line md5 app to generate off string? [01:02] <cato_> apokryphos, did you look at it? does it look ok? right modules loaded and so on? [01:02] <brian__> use nero [01:02] <brian__> burn image [01:02] <salil> nevin: i used to pair it in windows [01:02] <brian__> works better [01:02] <MartenH> I've downloaded an icon set... where does it go? [01:02] <wolarsen> yes. i used nero ... [01:03] <danielrr> neven should i tryanother diek? [01:03] <salil> nevin: but the phone is now formatted.. and all the old settings are gone.. [01:03] <nevin> salil: does anything work if you enter it? [01:03] <timbabwe> Having some issues with Samba [01:03] <cato_> apokryphos, i used these steps for the driver: http://transgaming.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=19795#19795 [01:03] <holycow> wolarsen, did you burn an image? or burn the files to a data disk? [01:03] <salil> nevin: nothing works.. [01:03] <MartenH> wolarsen: did you use burn inage or just burned the file? [01:03] <apokryphos> cato_: shoudl you really have "fglrx" for Driver, under Device? [01:03] <nevin> daniel: yeah, try reburning, or checking the md5 sum [01:03] <tim> is there a way via the command line to change the gtk theme in ubuntu? [01:03] <cato_> apokryphos, yeah, i ran fglrxconfig and it set that there so.. im guessing its right [01:04] <apokryphos> cato_: no, I think that part is right; fglrx for ati [01:04] <salil> nevin: forget it... thanks anyway... i'll try later.. its pretty late here... gotta sleep [01:04] <nevin> salil: anytime, np [01:04] <apokryphos> cato_: using alien can be dodgy sometimes though; always better to compile, if you can, really. [01:04] <wolarsen> MartenH - it s not a cd containing 1 file. it contain many files ... but i cant boot ( please key to rebbot screen & nothinng ) [01:04] <puff> How hard is it to try an alternative window manager? How easy is it to back out and go back to the default? [01:04] <cato_> apokryphos, do you know of the newest driver wich is compileable then? [01:05] <apokryphos> cato_: ah, there's a Universal installer -- use that. [01:05] <MartenH> wolarsen: have you configured your comp to boot on the CD prior to HD? [01:05] <timbabwe> So, does anyone know why all of the sudden my Ubuntu laptop would not be able to copy files to my Windows 2000 Share that was working a few weeks ago? [01:05] <nevin> puff: if you're using kdm or gdm to log in, its dead easy [01:05] <DukGalNamu> nevin: ok try again [01:05] <cato_> apokryphos, i tried that one.. same thing happened. It wont overwrite the standard glib.so or whatever [01:05] <nevin> DukGalName [01:05] <DukGalNamu> umm [01:05] <nevin> DukGalNamu [01:05] <procrastinator> puff: Very easy. You can normally choose window manger at the login screen. [01:05] <DukGalNamu> hmm [01:05] <danielrr> NEVEN I got the cd's from ubuntu.com [01:05] <nevin> yeah, bad typist [01:05] <DukGalNamu> still didn't work [01:05] <apokryphos> cato_: which step is this in, just the installation? [01:05] <timbabwe> I keep getting an error saying "invalid parameters" [01:06] <nevin> daniel: hrm... scratched? (weak, but maybe...) [01:06] <wolarsen> MartenH - yes. i have 2 CD drive & i have truing both. [01:06] <danielrr> *n00.. [01:06] <cato_> apokryphos, well.. if you see the steps i used.. you notice i had to use dpkg -i --force-overwrite... and the Universal installer doesnt do that.. or so i think, it still uses the MesaGL library when im done installing [01:07] <danielrr> neven disks are clean [01:07] <puff> procrastinator: Ah, so a) is there a window manager cooler looking than enlightenment, and b) is enlightenment easy enough to try out? [01:07] <esac> how do i install bootp and tftp ? [01:07] <puff> Last time I asked a question along the lines of "how painful is XYZZY" the response was "have you ever brokena fingeR?" [01:07] <brian__> how do run unreal once cedega is done installing? [01:07] <cato_> apokryphos, maybe it all comes down to my fglrxconfig .. im not sure im configuring it right :\ cause when i do, i get some error dialogues when i log on after reboot [01:07] <apokryphos> cato_: hm, I don't know then. They're not perfect instructions; tried posting on the ubuforum? [01:08] <procrastinator> puff: Can't say, haven't tried enlightenment. I can recommend Fluxbox or Openbox though. [01:08] <nevin> daniel: I'm sorry, I can't think of anything other than dl'ing an image and burning it [01:08] <procrastinator> puff: Haha ;) [01:08] <nevin> daniel: do you have more disks that you ordered? [01:08] <cato_> apokryphos, i've looked on the forums, but anyone says they get it going after running the universal installer and doing fglrxconfig.. so, maybe im just bad at configuring my xorg.conf.. :\ [01:09] <cato_> anyone = everyone [01:09] <procrastinator> puff: Was that perhaps Rosegarden? [01:09] <danielrr> Neven I am now trying third disk that I ordered [01:09] <timbabwe> Any samba experts? [01:09] <apokryphos> cato_: the steps there don't even mention you manually configuring xorg.conf do they? [01:09] <cato_> apokryphos, wich steps? [01:10] <apokryphos> cato_: the ones you linked [01:10] <puff> procrastinator: fluxbox, openbox, why? [01:10] <MartenH> where do I place menu addon files? [01:10] <puff> procrastinator: I don't remember who it was... [01:10] <cato_> apokryphos, no.. it just tells me to run fgrlxconfig [01:11] <apokryphos> cato_: so how exactly would you muck up your xorg.conf? :) [01:11] <cato_> apokryphos, through fglrxconfig.. :p not choosing the right modes etc.. [01:11] <Slipaway172> i just wanted to see if something works [01:11] <danielrr> thanks neven for trying to help. [01:11] <procrastinator> puff: Well, Fluxbox is full of nice features, but their theme files are fucked up - doesn't matter if you're not going to write the, thought [01:11] <procrastinator> though even [01:12] <apokryphos> cato_: oh. Really don't know what it's like (as I said), so wouldn't be familiar with those particular steps [01:12] <procrastinator> puff: Openbox has less features, but is more "clean" [01:12] <danielrr> be back latter got called for dinner [01:12] <esac> what do i install for bootp and tftp ? [01:12] <nevin> esac: are you trying to set up thin terminals? [01:12] <cato_> apokryphos, well ok, then.. Thanks anyways though.. :) ill read some more [01:12] <esac> nevin: pxe boot [01:13] <danielrr> ? [01:13] <esac> so probably the same thing [01:13] <procrastinator> puff: And by the way, check out my screenshot: http://linuxin.dk/eyecandy/1457_3.jpg ;) [01:13] <nevin> esac: you want the daemons? [01:13] <esac> nod [01:13] <procrastinator> puff: Don't mind the Photoshop icon, it's an old screenshots [01:14] <procrastinator> without the s [01:14] <nevin> esac: sudo apt-get install tfpd bootp [01:14] <nevin> whoops [01:14] <CapSoft> procrastinator, use superkaramba?? [01:14] <nevin> tftpd [01:14] <procrastinator> CapSoft: No, gDesklets [01:14] <CapSoft> does liquidweather work on that too? [01:15] <CapSoft> and what window manager? [01:15] <apokryphos> CapSoft: of course [01:15] <procrastinator> CapSoft: Yes, I didn't know it worked on superkaramba too? [01:15] <procrastinator> CapSoft: Fluxbox [01:15] <CapSoft> yes [01:15] <CapSoft> is that ubuntu? [01:15] <CapSoft> nice theme for fluxbox [01:16] <DekaPink> --; [01:16] <DekaPink> Limewire doesn't seem to close when I close it... I have to xkill it. :3 [01:16] <procrastinator> No, that's actually Fedora, but I use the same config for both distros [01:16] <procrastinator> So it might aswell have been [01:16] <CapSoft> kewl [01:16] <CapSoft> and what is that bar on top? [01:16] <desrt> what is the best way to setup my ubuntu box for ipmasq? [01:16] <CapSoft> what desklet is it? [01:16] <procrastinator> StarterBar [01:17] <CapSoft> thanks [01:17] <desrt> without using firestarter [01:17] <cato_> is this a bad thing? : Warning: could not find /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/.libfglrx_ip.a.GCC3.c md for /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/libfglrx_ip.a.GCC3 [01:17] <cato_> when compiling the fglrx modules.. [01:18] <procrastinator> CapSoft: And the thingy in the top right corner is Torsmo - which i can strongly recommend [01:18] <CapSoft> procrastinator, i allready found a nice tutor for myself: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=60350 so i won't be bored tomorrow [01:18] <CapSoft> thanks [01:18] <puff> procrastinator: Okay, now that's just sick... [01:18] <puff> And why is he playing a recorder? [01:18] <puff> With hooves... [01:18] <CapSoft> torsmo is no desklet right? [01:18] <procrastinator> CapSoft: Nice. [01:18] <procrastinator> CapSoft: Nope. http://torsmo.sf.net [01:19] <esac> i cant find bootp or tfpd or tftpd or similar with apt-get install [01:19] <procrastinator> puff: It's beautiful, isn't it? [01:20] <puff> That's one word for it... [01:20] <cafuego> !find tftpd [01:20] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'tftpd' (3 shown): atftpd ;; tftpd ;; tftpd-hpa. [01:20] <puff> Very... red. [01:20] <nevin> esac: try searching for similar packages [01:20] <cafuego> !info tftpd [01:20] <ubotu> tftpd: (Internet trivial file transfer protocol server.), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 0.17-11 (hoary), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 80 kB [01:21] <cafuego> Add universe to yuor sources.list [01:21] <nevin> esac: have you enabled the universe rep? [01:21] <puff> Anyway, my basic intent is to experiment with a look & feel that will a) make th emac users drool, b) still be very usable, c) go well with the thinkpad it's installed on. [01:21] <procrastinator> puff: You like green better? http://linuxin.dk/eyecandy/1457_2.jpg [01:21] <procrastinator> That's an old config [01:21] <esac> just did that, thanks [01:21] <CapSoft> procrastinator, how do i configure torsmo? [01:22] <procrastinator> Wallpaper and theme by Klowner, he has some nice ones: http://dugnet.com/klown/wallpaper/ [01:22] <procrastinator> CapSoft: In ~/.torsmorc [01:22] <esac> got them, thanks [01:22] <black-whisp> hmm what ports does bittorrent use? [01:23] <puff> Ouch. [01:23] <procrastinator> CapSoft: It's pretty simple, the layout setup is at the bottom [01:23] <puff> Hm. [01:23] <puff> I'm having a creative momment... either that or it's gas. [01:24] <puff> A window manager that uses your PC's webcam to assess your clothing's color scheme and select a theme to match, dynamically. [01:24] <procrastinator> puff: Hurry, launch Gimp. Or open a window. [01:24] <procrastinator> puff: I think it's gas. [01:25] <cafuego> why can't people do 2048x1600 wallpapers *grrr* [01:26] <HrdwrBoB> haha [01:26] <puterfixer> damn, and I thought my 1680x1050 resolution on this 20", 16:10 tft was wild [01:26] <procrastinator> cafuego: Nah-nah-nah-nah-naaaah-nah, you're noot normal. [01:26] <HrdwrBoB> why can't people scale backgrounds? [01:26] <CapSoft> procrastinator, there is no .torsmo file in my home dir [01:26] <HrdwrBoB> puterfixer: heh, quite a few people now have the 1920x1200 dell 24" [01:27] <cafuego> procrastinator: .. and that's without xinerama, too. [01:27] <procrastinator> CapSoft: You have to create it yourself. I think there's an example file in the dir. [01:27] <black-whisp> whats a good bittorrent client where you can edit the ports it uses? [01:27] <CapSoft> in what dir? [01:27] <procrastinator> CapSoft: Sorry, I'm tired. The package. [01:28] <CapSoft> sorry but i am a noob [01:28] <CapSoft> where can i find the package after i did apt-get install torsmo [01:28] <eivind> I need a program to remotely administrate a computer. both computers run linux. what application do you prefer? [01:28] <CapSoft> putty for windows [01:28] <nevin> eivind: ssh [01:28] <CapSoft> terminal for linux ssh [01:28] <procrastinator> black-whisp: You can do that in almost any client. I recommend the original one. [01:29] <procrastinator> nevin: Don't hush him, he can ask a question! [01:29] <procrastinator> :p [01:30] <eivind> thanks [01:30] <procrastinator> CapSoft: Oh, right. I didn't know there were packages. I could send you my config? [01:30] <CapSoft> uhm... [01:30] <CapSoft> well or paste it somewhere [01:30] <CapSoft> lol [01:31] <puff> Okay, I'm in openbox now, don't see much different, guess I need to find & download a theme and try it. [01:31] <CapSoft> though with apt-get it should give me an example [01:31] <puff> Though I miss the metacity version of alt-tab :-( [01:32] <procrastinator> CapSoft: Yeah, it's probably somewhere too [01:32] <puff> Given that I spend the vast majority of my time in: a) emacs, b) ssh session to emacs running elsewhere, c) shell where I use javac and cygwin, d) firefox. [01:32] <procrastinator> /usr/share/doc/torsmo/examples/torsmorc.sample.gz [01:33] <holycow> you know, i really haveto say yet again, that the places menu in gnome 2.10 is a stupendous idea, as well as being able to mount server points like ftp, ssh, etc, i mean that is beyond cool [01:33] <puff> Opinions about enlightenment? [01:33] <holycow> if one could tie that into an ldap backend and create these for users via policies, wow that would be amazing [01:34] <CapSoft> thanks procrastinator [01:34] <anomaly> e17 looks crispy. [01:34] <holycow> indeedy [01:34] <CapSoft> though it sometimes disappear when i click on it... [01:34] <holycow> love the 'any media as background' bit [01:34] <levander> There is a way to benchmark access to a samba share? [01:34] <decaf> e17 can be used by my grandchildren. (I'm not married yet) [01:35] <AMDXP> lol Decaf [01:35] <procrastinator> CapSoft: In Gnome? [01:35] <CapSoft> yes [01:35] <CapSoft> in gnome [01:35] <HrdwrBoB> levander: probably you could synthesize your own benchmark [01:35] <HrdwrBoB> specific to your network and needs [01:35] <rob__> hi [01:35] <procrastinator> CapSoft: Yeah, nautilus can't really figure out that it should stay below it [01:35] <rob__> does anyone know how to reset webmin once it's denied access to an IP ? [01:36] <CapSoft> lol so it's just a bug which can't be fixed? [01:36] <nevin> levander: if you have konqueror, you could try moving files into the share... the "file moving" window shows a file move speed [01:36] <procrastinator> I am in lack of a screen for my stationary computer [01:36] <HrdwrBoB> holycow: yes, gnome needs more of that sort of 'policy' thing [01:36] <HrdwrBoB> nevin: that's not a benchmark. [01:36] <nevin> obioulsy [01:36] <nevin> sp [01:36] <procrastinator> So right now I'm accesing it only through VNC from my laptop. [01:36] <nevin> but it show's some sort of measure [01:37] <nevin> man my spelling sucks [01:37] <HrdwrBoB> shows [01:37] <CapSoft> thanks procrastinator for your help! [01:37] <rob__> levander, to test hard disc speed use hdparm -t /dev/hd.... [01:37] <CapSoft> i am goning to bed [01:38] <procrastinator> CapSoft: Any time! [01:38] <CapSoft> since it is 1:39 here [01:38] <CapSoft> later folks [01:38] <anomaly> I have used a number of linux distros, as well as the *bsds, but heard of ubuntu earlier today. looks well so far. [01:38] <carine_> hi everyone! does anybody know how to install icecast on ubuntu. or to make GnuMP3d on ubuntu (i'm a linux newbie) [01:38] <HrdwrBoB> rob__: doesn't work on remote shares [01:38] <procrastinator> CapSoft: Here too. [01:38] <rob__> HrdwrBoB, ahh, I didn't get that bit [01:39] <HrdwrBoB> anomaly: yeah it Works :) [01:39] <liz4rd> ok i installed a game called flightgear, but running the command flightgear doesnt work, how do i search for things? (in xfce) or in a term [01:39] <nevin> carine_: sudo apt-get install gnump3d [01:39] <procrastinator> anomaly: You'll love it. [01:39] <HrdwrBoB> carine_: synaptic should have icecast etc [01:39] <nevin> liz4rd: whereis flightgear [01:39] <rob__> liz4rd, check in synaptic what files it installed [01:39] <liz4rd> $ whereis flightgear [01:39] <carine_> hmm i installed both but now i can't find them in the menu :-/ [01:39] <liz4rd> flightgear: [01:40] <rob__> liz4rd, as I remember the executable is called "fg" [01:40] <carine_> im a complete newbie. i dont know if i missed a step and which one? i did everything from synaptic [01:40] <anomaly> well, how could you not like something called "hoaryhedgehog" ? heh [01:40] <HrdwrBoB> liz4rd: dpkg -L flightgear will list the files in the package [01:40] <rob__> HrdwrBoB, that's the one :) [01:40] <procrastinator> liz4rd: dpkg -L flightgear | grep bin [01:40] <anomaly> dpkg? so it uses the apt/dpkg system, eh? interesting. [01:40] <procrastinator> anomaly: It's very much Debian based. [01:40] <HrdwrBoB> anomaly: yes, it's like debian, only more up to date and a lot shinier [01:41] <puff> Hm, all the enlightenment stuff is for warty, not hoary. [01:41] <MrGardenHoseMan> can anyone recomend me a good xchat/xmms script? [01:41] <puff> How hard is it, technically, to do a theme? i have some designer friends... [01:41] <Sisma> Ummm [01:41] <HrdwrBoB> puff: not very [01:41] <Sisma> Re to all [01:41] <admx> Ubuntu rocks [01:41] <ed1t> amen [01:41] <procrastinator> puff: You can basically figure it out by just looking at another theme [01:42] <sandis> puff: go to art.gnome.org - they have some tutorials [01:42] <Sisma> HELP..... for use the normal su command ??? [01:42] <levander> rob__: a samba share is across the network, it's not attached by and IDE bus, can't use hdparm [01:42] <Sisma> Sorry form my english [01:42] <Sisma> :D [01:42] <Sisma> *for [01:42] <levander> nevin: don't use kde, there's another (maybe command line??) utility that will show me how fast a file is copying? [01:42] <procrastinator> Sisma: In Ubuntu, you use sudo, which you can run a single command with [01:43] <Sisma> And for SU ? [01:43] <cato_> I think i made a breakthrough on my understanding whats wrong with my fglrx.. >_< can anyone check this out? : http://pastebin.com/324244 (its from my /var/log/Xorg.0.log) [01:43] <Sisma> Is possible remove de sudo system? [01:43] <procrastinator> Sisma: For example, try sudo ls /root [01:43] <Sisma> Yes [01:43] <nevin> bad idea [01:43] <procrastinator> Sisma: Yes, but give it a chance first [01:43] <Sisma> Bat for CPAN installer the sudo method don't is good [01:44] <procrastinator> CPAN? [01:44] <luke2> I haven't used Linux for almost a year. Getting back into it. Need some help... [01:44] <Sisma> *But [01:44] <Sisma> Yes....PERL [01:44] <luke2> What is the default su password for Ubuntu? [01:44] <nevin> sisma: you can use sudo su - to get a root login [01:44] <nevin> luke2: there is none [01:44] <Sisma> The same of the your account [01:44] <goldfish> luke2: ubuntu uses sudo, the sudo pass is the pass for the account you activated during install. [01:44] <procrastinator> Sisma: You can just install it through apt? [01:45] <Sisma> Hummmm [01:45] <nevin> luke2: only the first user created may use sudo by default [01:45] <Flying_Eagle> hi [01:45] <cafuego> luke2: Any other users you want to give sudo access to should be adeed to the `admin' group. [01:45] <procrastinator> hi, Flying_Eagle [01:45] <nevin> luke2: its the user who is logged in who's password it is [01:45] <Sisma> Is one pack for xmms [01:45] <Sisma> BUNDLE::XMMS [01:45] <luke2> Okay, give me a second.... [01:45] <admx> Anyone know if the next version of Ubuntu will use the Re [01:45] <luke2> Thanks for the info people. [01:46] <procrastinator> Sisma: Huh? [01:46] <cafuego> Sisma: If you need CPAN thingies, install dh-make-perl and use that. [01:46] <Sisma> Yes,,,... I have download one script in perl for xchat [01:46] <Razor-X> yay, finals are finished! [01:46] <Razor-X> time to try out zsh ;) [01:46] <Razor-X> brb [01:46] <cafuego> But _do not_ use x-chat/xmms scripts on #ubuntu. [01:46] <brian__> ok so ive installed unreal tournament through cedega and it runs with no anomolies [01:47] <brian__> artifacts etc [01:47] <brian__> but [01:47] <luke2> nevin: I'm under the first (and only) account. So basically, I already have su access? [01:47] <brian__> i am getting 3 frames a second [01:47] <nevin> luke2: sudo access [01:47] <sandis> where can i find developers channel? [01:47] <admx> Anyone know if the next version of Ubuntu will use the Reiser file system? [01:47] <cafuego> brian__: That sounds about right [01:47] <nevin> luke2: yeah, you have sudo access [01:47] <frank234> does anyone know a package i could use to convert from one video format to another, assuming i have the encoder libraries for both formats? [01:47] <luke2> nevin: Okay. Thanks. I've never heard of sudo before. New to me. [01:47] <cafuego> admx: It will never use reiserfs by default. Ever. You can however choose to use it already. [01:48] <brian__> well im curious as to how i can get better frame rates [01:48] <cafuego> frank234: 'transcode' [01:48] <luke2> Okay. I'm out. Thanks for the help everyone. [01:48] <procrastinator> My "C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" [01:48] <cafuego> procrastinator: install build-essential [01:48] <Hawk_au> lukes: check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root [01:48] <procrastinator> In other words, my computer just told me it's insane [01:48] <DukGalNamu> nevin: ok try again [01:48] <luke2> Okay. [01:48] <nevin> DukGalNamu [01:48] <frank234> cafuego: thanks [01:48] <Sisma> Good support in this channel [01:48] <nevin> anything? [01:48] <Sisma> :D [01:48] <procrastinator> cafuego: Thanks. [01:48] <cafuego> procrastinator: No, just the C++ compiler is insane. Which is a VERY sane conclusion to reach ;-) [01:49] <DukGalNamu> :P [01:49] <DukGalNamu> nevin: it works now [01:49] <brian__> Seveas [01:49] <philstar> is ubuntu artwork under the gpl? [01:49] <cafuego> DukGalNamu: Thanks, don't. [01:49] <luke2> Hawk_au: Ah thanks. This should do. [01:49] <procrastinator> =) [01:49] <nevin> Duk: awesome [01:49] <admx> But will need to format harddrive to use it or can ext3 be converted to Reiser? [01:49] <Hawk_au> luke2: got me when i first started too [01:49] <DukGalNamu> cafuego: you restarted it [01:49] <procrastinator> philstar: How could you think otherwise? ;) [01:49] <cafuego> admx: No, it needs to be formatted as reiser from scratch. [01:49] <brian__> anyone know how i can get better frame rates [01:49] <brian__> ? [01:49] <cafuego> admx: Any reason you think reiser is a better idea than ext3? [01:49] <philstar> procrastinator: cause someone else said so... [01:49] <brian__> i mean the colors are all correct [01:50] <admx> I thought so, thanks [01:50] <brian__> and it looks fine [01:50] <brian__> but i am getting unbearable framrates [01:50] <nevin> cafuego: finer permissions control [01:50] <admx> well I heard it is more secure and fester. [01:50] <frank234> whats the difference between reiser4 and the other reiser fs? [01:50] <cafuego> nevin: ext3 also does acl and extended attributes [01:50] <brian__> nevin any ideas? [01:50] <sandis> brian__: did you tried to configure X? [01:50] <philstar> procrastinator: plus, there's a big thing about trademarks on the ubuntu website [01:50] <nevin> cafuego: my bad.. I'm out of date [01:50] <cafuego> frank234: reiser4 *will* break and lose your data, reiser3 *might* [01:51] <guizzzmo> hi [01:51] <philstar> but thanks [01:51] <nevin> brian__: sorry, I don't game, so I'm pretty useless for gfx performance [01:51] <brian__> well through running what command? [01:51] <Will_> I keep all my important data under my matress [01:51] <guizzzmo> i have problems with hotplug, i cannot enter ubuntu cause the computer freezes while i get the message "starting hotplug subsystem" [01:51] <funkyHat> hahahaha [01:52] <cafuego> brian__: The only eay you're going to get decetn framerates is by using a Linux native UT application. [01:52] <brian__> i am using cedega [01:52] <frank234> glxgears ! [01:52] <procrastinator> philstar: Oh. I'm quite sure it's free (as in freedom), and I would presume it's GPL, too. And trademarks would have nothing to do with that. [01:52] <nevin> Will_: we all know that under the pillow is much safer [01:52] <cafuego> brian__: Yes, hence the 3fps. [01:52] <brian__> i ran glx gears [01:52] <brian__> it looked good [01:52] <admx> At least that is the info that I read on www.namesys.com about Reiser [01:52] <Will_> nevin: Are you hitting on me? [01:52] <brian__> but was only gettin 100 fps [01:52] <brian__> roughly [01:52] <Will_> Because frankly, I'm a little flattered. But not interested [01:52] <cafuego> admx: Yeah, microsoft way the same thing about windows on microsoft.com ;-) [01:52] <frank234> brian__: what graphics card are you using? [01:52] <cafuego> admx: Do you believe them? ;-) [01:53] <sandis> brian__: and what game? [01:53] <cafuego> admx: If you want the data to be secure, use ext2 or ext3. If you have backups and want to experiment a bit, go reiser. [01:53] <brian__> unreal tournament [01:54] <brian__> i am really proud of myslef to get it to run thus far [01:54] <brian__> and is enough incentive for me to keep pluggin away [01:54] <admx> No, I have never trusted Microsoft, However I have found Linux to be more OPEN about things :) [01:54] <brian__> because i feel the rewards of linux will someday far outweigh the current inconvieniences [01:54] <nevin> brian__: you have now joined the clb of linux addicts [01:54] <Sisma> Help :D [01:54] <nevin> *club [01:54] <cafuego> admx: To put it in perspective, ext2 and ext3 have *never* destroyed any of my data. Reiser3 has once (on a 2.2. kernel) and reiser4 has twice, as has XFS. [01:54] <brian__> lol [01:55] <brian__> seriously [01:55] <frank234> has anyone ever made a file system that doesnt have some address table, sort of like how one would go about nesting xml tags? [01:55] <Sisma> Don't install the BUNDLE::XMMS [01:55] <Sisma> http://atheism-v2.sourceforge.net/ [01:55] <brian__> i cant even carry on a convo with other people [01:55] <frank234> im sure it would suck, just curious [01:55] <admx> wow. [01:55] <brian__> i ate my dinner watching this irc chan [01:55] <cafuego> frank234: Like say mysqlfs? [01:55] <guizzzmo> please, anybody knows how to fix a problem with hotplug when booting? [01:55] <brian__> i want to learn as much as i can [01:55] <sandis> brian__: ati or nvidia? [01:55] <cato_> http://pastebin.com/324244 , Anyone know what this means? :\ [01:55] <brian__> is ati rs200 [01:56] <brian__> xorg see it and gives me drivers to some degree [01:56] <brian__> mobility [01:56] <brian__> on the radeon chip [01:56] <brian__> i dont even care if its the only game i can get running [01:56] <HrdwrBoB> cato_: it means exactly what it says it mens [01:56] <cafuego> brian__: At best you're going to be able to lift that to say 5 or 6 fps using Cedega. it's not worth the bother. Get UT for Linux and revel in the sudden speed. [01:56] <procrastinator> by the way, could anyone recommend a newbie-friendly alternative to Rhythmbox? I've never really gotten XMMS to work on Ubuntu... [01:56] <HrdwrBoB> cato_: how did you install the ati driver [01:56] <brian__> ubuntu will never leave this pc [01:57] <frank234> cafuego: well, okay then :) never thought of it that way [01:57] <cafuego> procrastinator: beep-media-player [01:57] <HrdwrBoB> cato_: you should follow http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto [01:57] <procrastinator> (personally, I just use mplayer) [01:57] <brian__> are you serious? [01:57] <cato_> HrdwrBoB, like the guide at Ubuntuforum says.. [01:57] <cafuego> brian__: Yes. [01:57] <HrdwrBoB> procrastinator: er.. ryhthmbox :) [01:57] <cato_> HrdwrBoB, those are like 4 releases old [01:57] <frank234> procrastinator: i dont know about you but dont count on xmms to work [01:57] <cato_> HrdwrBoB, and it wont let me play games with cedega [01:57] <brian__> so is it going to be like this in pretty much all of their supported games? [01:57] <procrastinator> cafuego: Thanks. Seems nice. [01:57] <cafuego> brian__: Keep in mind you're running WIDNOWS software on LINUX. it's a wonder it runs _at_ _all_ ;-) [01:57] <SprflyZapp> hey anyone know how to install tarball files plz help me Aim Me: SprflyZapp [01:57] <Andares> checking for glMatrixMode in -lGL... no [01:57] <Andares> configure: error: Missing GL [01:57] <brian__> true true [01:57] <HrdwrBoB> cato_: ok, well, the kernel version and the X driver version don't match [01:58] <Andares> What package do I need to install to get this to configure? [01:58] <sandis> brian__: you should get nvidia card [01:58] <Razor-X> hmmm, how should I change my default shell? [01:58] <ajmitch> cafuego: interesting, I've had fairly reasonable framerates with a number of games & wine [01:58] <brian__> i find this all so damn compelling [01:58] <Razor-X> I already used chsh -s /bin/zsh [01:58] <cafuego> brian__: Well, in fps games that need fast hardware, sure. Other stuff (like say SimCity) works fine and at decent speeds. [01:58] <cato_> HrdwrBoB, how do i check my kernel version? [01:58] <brian__> ouch [01:58] <brian__> sandis that hurts [01:58] <Andares> >.< [01:58] <cafuego> brian__: ... unless you run a Linux native application. [01:58] <Razor-X> but that seems to do nothing, and I can't find anything in my Terminal Emulator settings that change the default shell [01:58] <nevin> Razor-X: man chsh [01:58] <Andares> Anyone got a clue? [01:58] <Razor-X> nevin: already checked it [01:58] <guizzzmo> ok, bye [01:58] <Razor-X> it's a pretty short man page [01:58] <Razor-X> chsh -s login-shell user [01:59] <Sisma> For me null? [01:59] <Razor-X> if invoked without superuser privileges it changes your current shell [01:59] <HrdwrBoB> cato_: it's not the kernel version it's the version of the kernel module [01:59] <r0bby> grub.conf and menu.lst are the same file correct? [01:59] <Razor-X> as simple as that [01:59] <brian__> so is there a web resource that will list these linux apps converts [01:59] <HrdwrBoB> cato_: if you haven't rebooted, do so [01:59] <cafuego> brian__: Just check that UT is set to use *hardware* 3d [01:59] <apokryphos> r0bby: there is no grub.conf in Ubuntu, is there? But yes. [01:59] <Sisma> I have one problem to integrate xmms in xchat [01:59] <HrdwrBoB> cato_: it may still haev the old driver loaded [01:59] <MrGardenHoseMan> anyone have xmms-tool.1.1.tar.gz ? [01:59] <Razor-X> so, how should I change my shell? [01:59] <sandis> brian__: google is your friend [01:59] <r0bby> there is [01:59] <cato_> HrdwrBoB, and how can i fix that? And yeah, i have rebooted several times [01:59] <Sisma> One script for me? [01:59] <apokryphos> r0bby: ah, so I see. [01:59] <rob__> brian__, if you want to play games under linux, sell your ATI card and buy and Nvidia one [01:59] <brian__> ok i dont want to ask how how how how [01:59] <r0bby> so grub.cong and menu.lst are the same [01:59] <Sisma> Please :D [01:59] <brian__> rob [01:59] <nevin> Razor-X: grep YOURUSENAME /etc/passwd [01:59] <r0bby> :) [01:59] <rob__> brian__, I'm a games developer, I know... [02:00] <cafuego> brian__: in the game options menu, it should tell you. [02:00] <ed1t> is there any player which can play .asx format? [02:00] <HrdwrBoB> cato_: the easiest way to fix it is to overwrite both locations again [02:00] <HrdwrBoB> essentially, reinstall the driver [02:00] <r0bby> :D [02:00] <SprflyZapp> can anyone help with installing tarball files????? My Aim is SprflyZapp [02:00] <HrdwrBoB> cato_: then curse the ground that ATI walks on [02:00] <nevin> Razor-X: last entry in the line, is it correct? [02:00] <brian__> i think i set it to use opengl [02:00] <cato_> HrdwrBoB, :p [02:00] <brian__> was that stupid of me? [02:00] <cato_> HrdwrBoB, overwrite both locations? eh? could you specify? [02:00] <cafuego> brian__: No, opengl is hardware [02:00] <Razor-X> nevin: I know my password [02:00] <luke2> Ha! Got it. Had to install the JRE. Even though I'm on the only account I still had to use sudo. [02:00] <HrdwrBoB> cato_: both the kernel module and the X driver [02:00] <nevin> SprflyZapp: tar xvzf tarballfile.tar.gz [02:01] <cato_> HrdwrBoB, and how do i overwrite the kernel module.. to make it compatible with the "new universal ati" installer? [02:01] <SprflyZapp> ...... ur talking german to me lol [02:01] <nevin> sprflyzapp: then cd into the directory, and run ./configure; make all; make install [02:01] <nevin> do you have a shell open? [02:01] <Razor-X> nevin: me? [02:02] <rafter> hi; i have 1 ? i need to edit /etc/ld.so.conf; is this space, semicolon, comma, or new line delimitated? [02:02] <nevin> flyzapp: shell open? [02:02] <brian__> ok im back from ohone [02:02] <brian__> err phone [02:02] <sandis> where can i find developers channel? [02:02] <SprflyZapp> i dunno [02:02] <cafuego> nevin: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local is what you meant to say, isn't it? [02:02] <brian__> cafuego so i chose correctly? [02:02] <cafuego> brian__: Yep [02:02] <nevin> yes, it is cafuego [02:03] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: how did you change your default shell? [02:03] <nevin> Razor-x, what's the last entry in the line you get from grep YOURUSENAME /etc/passwd [02:03] <cafuego> brian__: What sort of framerates did you get under windows? [02:03] <SprflyZapp> how do i know if my shell is open? [02:03] <brian__> well I got decent framerates around 100 or more [02:03] <sandis> SZ: right click -> open terminal [02:03] <Razor-X> my shell should be /bin/zsh it says [02:03] <nevin> flyzapp: you need to have a console, or a shell open.... under applications -> system tools -> terminal [02:03] <cafuego> brian__: Hmm. [02:03] <brian__> yeah [02:03] <SprflyZapp> o ok [02:04] <Razor-X> home directory is /home/razorx, shell is /bin/zsh [02:04] <brian__> do you think i should get the 64bit version of this when i build my new pc [02:04] <nevin> Razor-X: do you want zsh to be default shell? [02:04] <brian__> well i guess i can make that decision [02:04] <Razor-X> nevin: yes [02:04] <brian__> just have to give it time [02:04] <luke2> Ugh. Getting back into Linux is making me think too much. It's okay though... Windows drives me crazy. [02:04] <nevin> sprflyzapp: terminal, shell, and console are interchagneable [02:04] <marfis> anyone in here who got weired dm-linear errors after compiling the kernel and solved that issue? ("dm-linear: Device lookup failed" ...) [02:04] <cafuego> brian__: The 64bit version can't run Cedega at all. (without hassle) [02:04] <cafuego> marfis: Do you *need* the device mapper for anything? [02:05] <brian__> i realize i am in a completley new and chaotic world [02:05] <brian__> which is fine [02:05] <brian__> im willing to learn [02:05] <SprflyZapp> okay [02:05] <frank234> brian__: isnt UT sort of like cube? to me theyre both pretty fast .. you might want to try cube [02:05] <brian__> its just that reading puts me to sleep [02:05] <blake__> I am having trouble getting Enemy Territory to run after upgrading form warty to hoary [02:05] <Razor-X> frank234: Cube is _much_ slower than UT [02:05] <brian__> whats Cube? [02:05] <Razor-X> brian__: it's an FPS [02:05] <frank234> well, its faster than other fps ... [02:05] <brian__> built for linux? [02:05] <cafuego> brian__: a regular six-sided polygon [02:05] <frank234> brian__: yes [02:05] <brian__> haha [02:05] <Razor-X> frank234: UT is meant for speed [02:06] <frank234> www.cubeengine.com i believe [02:06] <blake__> Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". [02:06] <blake__> Couldn't get a visual [02:06] <blake__> ...WARNING: could not set the given mode (3) [02:06] <blake__> ----- CL_Shutdown ----- [02:06] <blake__> RE_Shutdown( 1 ) [02:06] <Razor-X> brian__: go buy yourself native Linux UT [02:06] <blake__> ----------------------- [02:06] <blake__> ----- CL_Shutdown ----- [02:06] <blake__> ----------------------- [02:06] <brian__> ok [02:06] <Razor-X> there's a native Linux version of UT [02:06] <blake__> Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem [02:06] <cafuego> brian__: Don't paste [02:06] <Razor-X> blake__: don't paste in here [02:06] <blake__> anyone know the root of my problem?! [02:06] <marfis> cafuego, jeap, I need dm-crypt, using encrypted partitions... [02:06] <brian__> or i can dl it right? [02:06] <blake__> sorry [02:06] <brian__> or shall not speakith [02:06] <cafuego> blake__: Don't paste [02:06] <cafuego> stupid tab [02:06] <blake__> yea, i've got it guys, sorry [02:06] <frank234> Razor-x: to me UT is like rabbits running around, too fast for me :) [02:06] <brian__> lol [02:06] <Razor-X> frank234: that's why most people can't play it [02:06] <Razor-X> it takes more skill than any other FPS, IMO [02:06] <brian__> i love the fast paced fps's [02:06] <cafuego> !paster [02:06] <ubotu> cafuego: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about [02:06] <cafuego> !paste [02:06] <ubotu> rumour has it, paste is ""http://ubuntu.pastebin.com http://pastebin.com or #flood here on freenode."" [02:06] <Razor-X> to survive in UT at the highest mode is skill itself [02:07] <Razor-X> much more so than sitting in a corner for an hour, waiting for someone to drop their guard, and shooting [02:07] <brian__> hmm [02:07] <Razor-X> that's just idiotic patience, IMO [02:07] <brian__> well that sounds like a campers map [02:07] <frank234> well in halo, aiming with lag is the main skill ;) [02:07] <blake__> so nobody can help me? [02:07] <frank234> (pc) i mean [02:07] <Razor-X> brian__: no, that's CS XD [02:07] <brian__> but i am totally into a good strategy [02:07] <Razor-X> cafuego: can you help me change my default shell? ;) [02:07] <ed1t> how do i play .wmv files? [02:08] <Razor-X> brian__: I love UT, it's fscking awesome [02:08] <frank234> razor-x: isnt it just some setting in system tools [02:08] <Razor-X> !tell ed1t about restrictedformats [02:08] <sandis> it would be nice if there would be more mainstream games for linux [02:08] <lllmanulll> edlt : mplayer ? [02:08] <cafuego> ed1t: install w32codecs and then use totem or something [02:08] <brian__> its just difficult to find those willing to put aside their running rampit tendencies [02:08] <frank234> razor-x: system-preferences-prefferred applications [02:08] <cafuego> arrrgh, only 29% done [02:08] <Razor-X> frank234: I don't use Gnome, A) [02:08] <brian__> and coordinate a skillful planned attack [02:08] <Razor-X> second, I don't use the included Terminal package [02:08] <frank234> sorry :) [02:08] <marfis> cafuego, by the way, it's not he goal to turn of everything that throws an error... ;) [02:08] <Razor-X> but both Konsole and Eterm bring up BASH :( [02:09] <roo_> Razor-X, sorry i missed it, what are you trying to do? [02:09] <Razor-X> I can run zsh in BASH, but that's sorta pointless no? [02:09] <Razor-X> roo_: make zsh my default shell [02:09] <Razor-X> I ran chsh -s /bin/zsh already [02:09] <cato_> i keep getting this message in my Xorg.0.log.. "Kernel Module version does *not* match driver." How can i make the kernel module version compatible with the driver? (Im using the Ati universal installer from ati.com).. fglrx kernel module says its version: 8.8.25 [02:09] <roo_> Razor-X, logged in/out ? [02:09] <Razor-X> then I tried sudo -s /bin/zsh username [02:09] <Razor-X> roo_: do you need to do that? [02:09] <roo_> Razor-X, yes :) [02:09] <Razor-X> aggghhh, ok ;) [02:09] <roo_> Razor-X, log out properly [02:09] <Razor-X> brb people [02:09] <roo_> Razor-X, might need restart depending on ur setup [02:09] <blake__> can anyone help me out? [02:09] <roo_> oops, too ate :) [02:10] <brian__> driver does not support the firegl x11 extentions [02:10] <roo_> blake__, nobody can help you if you dont tell them what u need :) [02:10] <brian__> thats what i get from trying to run ati control panel [02:10] <blake__> i tried and got yelled at for posting the error [02:10] <blake__> Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem [02:10] <r0bby> I think i got it [02:11] <Razor-X> Live the ZSH ;) [02:11] <luke2> Does anyone know a good video player that can do .wmv? [02:11] <Razor-X> the prompt feels weird, meh [02:11] <frank> blake__: you need 3d drivers for your card [02:11] <Razor-X> plus, you aren't seeing the default directory [02:11] <frank> luke2: they all can, you need w32codecs [02:11] <r0bby> yay i got it! [02:11] <r0bby> :D [02:11] <Razor-X> s/default/current/ [02:11] <Razor-X> just the box name [02:11] <blake__> i have the latest nvidia drivers installed and enabled [02:12] <luke2> frank: Okay. So Totem will work fine? [02:12] <frank> luke2: I think it should although I don't use it [02:12] <cato_> How do i install the fglrx kernel module 8.14.13-2 ? [02:12] <luke2> frank: You got a preference on an app? [02:12] <frank> blake__: glxinfo | grep direct [02:12] <blake__> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual [02:13] <frank> luke2: I run kde, so I mostly use kaffeine. you could also try mplayer [02:13] <blake__> yea, i use mplayer from video files [02:13] <kozlyk> can anyone help me work through a samba problem? [02:13] <luke2> frank: Thanks. Getting back into Linux here. Setting up my stuff. [02:13] <luke2> frank: I appreciate it. [02:14] <frank> blake__: was that error from glxinfo? [02:14] <frank> luke2: np [02:14] <blake__> correct [02:14] <frank> blake__: did you restart X [02:14] <blake__> yes [02:14] <salapoliisi> !theme [02:14] <ubotu> theme is, like, http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ [02:14] <blake__> i even reinstalled the drivers after a kernel upgrade [02:14] <frank> paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to pastebin [02:14] <roo_> Razor-X, all working now? [02:15] <salapoliisi> how do i copy in linux putty? [02:15] <nevin> salapoliisi: highlighting it should work [02:15] <roo_> salapoliisi, try highlighting text to copy and middle click to paste [02:15] <roo_> salapoliisi, or shift+insert to paste [02:15] <salapoliisi> oh middleclick :) [02:16] <salapoliisi> roo_: i only asked how to copy, but anyway thanks :) [02:16] <Razor-X> does zsh auto-echo the command you feed it? [02:16] <frank> blake__: well you have no 3d acceleration right now [02:16] <roo_> Razor-X, huh? auto echo?! [02:16] <Razor-X> roo_: if I type in, say print $ZSH_VERSION [02:16] <Razor-X> it prints my command [02:16] <Razor-X> then it prints the output [02:16] <blake__> that doesn't seem right... my 3d screensavers are flying compared to before i had nvidia drivers installed [02:17] <roo_> Razor-X, if i understand you correctly then yes. [02:17] <Razor-X> roo_: mmmkay [02:17] <roo_> Razor-X, there is a nice .zshrc to get you started.. [02:17] <Razor-X> roo_: hehe [02:17] <blake__> Driver "nv" [02:17] <Razor-X> I gotta start converting my aliases ;) [02:17] <frank> blake__: really? well glxinfo should not give you an error [02:17] <roo_> Razor-X, http://dev.gentoo.org/~slarti/conf/zshrc.html [02:18] <roo_> Razor-X, this one is very nice. the guy, slarti is a gentoo dev. drop him an email if you find it useful :) [02:18] <Razor-X> roo_: I will ;) [02:18] <roo_> Razor-X, and btw, zsh is fucking awesome. use this zshrc and you'l see magic happening right in front of you. [02:18] <vinux> hey guys how do I make my gnome menu transparent? [02:18] <frank> blake__: driver should be nvidia [02:18] <blake__> frank, well the only thing that i can think of is that i did an upgrade through apt-get from warty to hoary, so from xfree86 to xorg... [02:19] <blake__> lemme try a dpkg-reconfigure [02:20] <Razor-X> roo_: en_GB? [02:20] <Razor-X> what language is that? [02:20] <comforteagle> I just installed postfix.. but what must I add to the config to get it to deliver mail outside to other domains? [02:20] <blake__> engilsh great britian [02:20] <vinux> what is zsh? [02:20] <blake__> frank, autodetect is giving me nv, which it always has, and is right about nvidia [02:20] <Razor-X> blake__: that's what I thought [02:21] <luke2> vinux: A shell similar to ksh [02:21] <Razor-X> vinux: it's an alternate shell [02:21] <procrastinator> Why do i get "Icon not found" when I try to set an icon for beep-media-player? Gnome has some sort of phobia for the BMP icon - all other images work fine, except that icon. I've tried svg, png and xpm, the same all over. [02:21] <roo_> vinux, the best shell in the world. [02:21] <vinux> roo_, cool [02:21] <frank> blake__: if the nvidia drivers are really installed, you can edit xorg.conf by hand [02:21] <luke2> vinux: Most distros/people use bash. zsh is cool though. [02:22] <roo_> bash being the "standard" distro shell is one of the mysteries i cant explain. [02:22] <roo_> zsh does everything bash can do. bash cannot do some of the coolest things zsh can do. [02:22] <luke2> Me either. It works though. [02:22] <blake__> frank, GLcore wasn't being loaded by default due to the xorg upgrade... i think that may be the problem [02:22] <Razor-X> roo_: Eshell does some nice zsh stuff [02:23] <roo_> Razor-X, so ive heard, havent tried it yet. [02:23] <Razor-X> that's why I wanted to make my default shell zsh [02:23] <Razor-X> roo_: it's nice, IMO [02:23] <frank> blake__: I don't have that loaded either [02:23] <luke2> I'll just stick to zsh. [02:23] <Razor-X> but, obviously Eshell is run in emacs itself, it's not a default shell [02:23] <vinux> roo_, so when I install it how will I get it to work? Or will it just work in place of bash after I install it? [02:23] <cato_> is there a way to get the newest ATI drivers while using the "BinaryDriverHowto" guide?.. [02:23] <frank> blake__: Load "glx" and Driver "nvidia" [02:23] <roo_> vinux, google for "changing shell", "switch bash to zsh" etc. its very easy :) [02:23] <vinux> woot thanks [02:24] <roo_> vinux, just remember to log out/log in afterwards. right Razor-X ? ;) [02:24] <blake__> who do i do that? [02:24] <blake__> how* [02:24] <roo_> btw Razor-X , im a vim guy, hence not trying eshell. [02:24] <Razor-X> vinux: chsh -s /bin/zsh (after you get it) [02:24] <Razor-X> roo_: heh ;) [02:24] <frank> blake__: you edit sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf [02:24] <r0bby> does grub accept symlinks for menu.lst? [02:24] <vinux> Razor-X, thanks [02:24] <r0bby> will grub follow a symlink i mean? [02:25] <sproingie> r0bby: i doubt it [02:25] <frank> r0bby: why would need that? [02:25] <r0bby> because I have a weird setup [02:25] <roo_> vinux, google for "slarti zshrc" to find a very nice ~/.zshrc to get you going. [02:25] <blake__> frank, it is already like that [02:25] <roo_> r0bby, only one way to find out? [02:25] <r0bby> remind me why i'm being an idiot and using breezy :P [02:25] <Razor-X> vinux: http://dev.gentoo.org/~slarti/conf/zshrc.html [02:26] <r0bby> lol [02:26] <Razor-X> roo_: I still have it in my kill ring ;) [02:26] <frank> blake__: and you restarted X and glxinfo doesn't work??? you can also comment out #Load "dri" [02:26] <r0bby> but yeh [02:26] <roo_> Razor-X, kill ring? huh? [02:26] <blake__> correct [02:26] <roo_> Razor-X, oh, emacs talk. [02:27] <roo_> :p [02:27] <r0bby> I like vim :D [02:27] <frank> blake__: dri is commented out? [02:27] <blake__> brb [02:27] <blake__> yea [02:27] <blake__> gonna try again [02:27] <luke2> Me too. vim is the best. [02:27] <Razor-X> everyone likes vim, because they hear emacs is so huge and shy away [02:27] <luke2> Bahh. emacs is overrated. [02:28] <roo_> Razor-X, i tried emacs first. it was veeery powerful, but i only needed a text editor and a text editor only. [02:28] <cafuego> Razor-X: It's has nothing to do with huge and everything with overkill [02:28] <roo_> and by golly, the best text editor in the world. [02:28] <Razor-X> sadly, emacs probably takes 1/6 of the amount of the memory your browser ;) [02:28] <Firetech> There is one reason not to use zsh in ubuntu, and that is UTF-8. I use it anyway, but each time I enter a foreign character, the command line gets confused. [02:29] <Razor-X> cafuego: as an example, can you add a `\' behind every instance of ``log'' in a LaTeX file without learning regexps? ;) [02:29] <roo_> Firetech, ah, thanks for that. i am ignorant to such things because i dont use/need utf-8.. [02:29] <Razor-X> Firetech: Eterm doesen't support utf-8 either [02:29] <luke2> Firetech: Whenever I enter a foreign character he gets deported. :) [02:29] <cafuego> Razor-X: Sure, but I'd not use LaTeX to begin with. [02:29] <Razor-X> but screen circumvents that ;) [02:29] <roo_> Razor-X, regexen were *designed* for that job! what merit for not using them? :/ [02:29] <cafuego> :%s/log/log\\/g [02:29] <Razor-X> cafuego: how 'bout removing every instance of an IRC nick from a file? [02:29] <Razor-X> roo_: I know regexps [02:29] <Alinux> someone speaks in italian ? [02:30] <cato_> Ok, does anyone know what this means? Im trying to build the fglrx modules inside /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod .. with make.sh.. and during the "making" i get this: Warning: could not find /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/.libfglrx_ip.a.GCC3.cmd for /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/libfglrx_ip.a.GCC3 [02:30] <cafuego> Razor-X: Of course. [02:30] <roo_> Razor-X, so if you know them and they can do they job, why not use them? [02:30] <Sisma> Io [02:30] <Razor-X> but, with the emacs macro, regexps have become obsolete [02:30] <cato_> would that affect anything? [02:30] <Razor-X> Alinux: try #ubuntu-it [02:30] <Alinux> Razor-X, thanks! [02:30] <cafuego> Razor-X: That's a bit narrow minded, in case you end up working on an emacs-free (yes, I'm going to buy the domain) system. [02:30] <Razor-X> cafuego: well, I know my regexps [02:30] <roo_> Razor-X, hm, i dont care if they're obsolete. regexen are a tool that perform an important job effectively. [02:31] <Razor-X> some things emacs macros just aren't powerful enough to do (comparitive to the amount of work the regexp takes) [02:31] <Razor-X> and emacs regexp support is tres horrible [02:31] <cafuego> Razor-X: And I'm sure I can make sed and/or awk and/or tr work a lot faster than emacs. [02:31] <Razor-X> (which is why I use sed) [02:31] <Razor-X> cafuego: doubt it [02:31] <Razor-X> on a modern system, they both work just has fast [02:31] <roo_> cafuego, i was just gonna say that there are other text processors you could use that can whip emacs macros AND regex.. [02:31] <cafuego> Razor-X: They're _done_ before emacs even finishes starting [02:32] <Razor-X> cafuego: you've obviously used a warped version of emacs [02:32] <Razor-X> an emacs with no addons starts up instantly [02:32] <Razor-X> it's a total _myth_ that emacs takes hours to load and takes up gobs of memory [02:32] <cato_> build succeeded with return value 0 [02:32] <cato_> :o ?? [02:32] <cafuego> Razor-X: Not on my 1.8GHz AMD64 with 1.5GB or ram it doesn't. [02:32] <castors> um.. [02:32] <cafuego> Razor-X: vim is instantaneous, emacs is not. [02:33] <castors> hello ;) [02:33] <HrdwrBoB> emacs runs fine on my dual core opteron with 4gm ram [02:33] <HrdwrBoB> 4gb [02:33] <Burgundavia> cafuego, Razor-X flame wars can be taken elsewhere please [02:33] <Burgundavia> HrdwrBoB, you too [02:33] <roo_> ol HrdwrBoB [02:33] <cafuego> Burgundavia: I'm not flaming, mate. [02:33] <HrdwrBoB> *ahem* [02:34] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: I take it that means it has finished building successfully [02:34] <HrdwrBoB> er cato_ [02:34] <cafuego> it's just a useless discussion about whether certain software does or does not start fast on my hardware ;-) [02:35] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: No, it's only at 61.2% [02:35] <SdEf> there is any program for linux like Everest, cpu-z or similar that sais ram information and timmings? [02:35] <kozlyk> what is the number to make a directory writable from another computer? [02:35] <cafuego> SdEf: try 'read-edid' [02:36] <Madpilot> evening, all [02:36] <cafuego> kozlyk: 4 [02:36] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: no, I lie. 2. [02:36] <nevin> kozlyk: there's no difference between permissions for locally and remotly mounted filesystems [02:36] <cafuego> kozlyk: Writable for whom? owner, group or other? [02:36] <kozlyk> user [02:36] <cafuego> kozlyk: 0700 [02:37] <windex> hi guys. question: does ubuntu support any network authentication methods (e.g. nss samba) out of the box? i don't see anything in aptitude search. [02:37] <cafuego> kozlyk: That's full perms for use, nothing for anyone else [02:37] <kozlyk> it is set for 755 right now [02:37] <cafuego> kozlyk: *nod* [02:37] <Surfdue_> hellooo [02:37] <cafuego> kozlyk: write for user, read for everyone else [02:37] <Surfdue_> my pcmicia card disabls when i enable it [02:37] <nevin> kolzyk: you said another computer, it doesn't matter what computer, permissions are always the same [02:37] <SdEf> cafuego: read-edid isn't for monitor only? [02:38] <cafuego> SdEf: Mine also has ram info, I'm sure. let me see. [02:38] <nevin> kolzyk: unless you export an nfs filesystem ALL read only [02:38] <kozlyk> so what is the number for read/write for everyone in that one directory? [02:38] <Surfdue_> in dmesg it says wlan0: no ipv6 routers persent [02:38] <nevin> kozlyk: 777 [02:38] <Madpilot> 777 [02:38] <kozlyk> k [02:38] <nevin> ANYONE ca read/write/execute then [02:38] <Madpilot> which is not always a good thing... [02:38] <cafuego> Or maybe I'm on crack. [02:39] <nevin> kozlyk: try looking up "relative permissions" on google, they're easier to set stuff with [02:39] <goldfish> no way [02:39] <goldfish> octal 4ever. [02:39] <TheSin> and still breezy xutils is not fixed, yay :D [02:39] <TheSin> just checking :P lates all [02:39] <cafuego> TheSin: /topic [02:39] <goldfish> you should set the sticky bit, so users can only delte their own files. [02:39] <TheSin> cafuego, yup that is what I was refering to [02:40] <cafuego> TheSin: Mine works fine, though. Just need a bit of user intervention, deletion and downgrading [02:40] <TheSin> cafuego, well mkfontdir is missing from xutils [02:40] <The_Vox> cafuego: I wouldn't call that "working" :) [02:40] <TheSin> I suppose if i downgrade that it'd be okay [02:40] <cafuego> TheSin: No, *everything* is missing from xutils ;-) [02:40] <TheSin> thanks for the idea cafuego [02:40] <TheSin> hehe totally [02:40] <cafuego> TheSin: Luckily xutils -34 or so works fine. [02:41] <TheSin> but with out fonts, no x11 :D [02:41] <TheSin> I gonna try that thanks [02:44] <IFRFLYR> Hi, is there a way to limit cpu scaling, say, make a ceiling of 1.2GHz as opposed to its max of 1.5, or is it an all or nothing thing? [02:44] <luke2> Sorry for a stupid question -- it's been a while: To install .deb packages just use dpkg --install foobar.deb [02:44] <luke2> Right? [02:44] <bimberi> luke2: dpkg -i foobar.deb [02:44] <luke2> Always used rpms in the past. My first debian based os. [02:44] <luke2> bimberi: Thanks [02:44] <cafuego> IFRFLYR: mebbe if you hack the acpi module responsible for scaling [02:44] <Surfdue_> anyone [02:44] <Razor-X> back [02:44] <Burgundavia> luke2, yes, but most programs are in the repositories [02:44] <Surfdue_> pcmica why does it disable? [02:45] <bimberi> luke2: np - although if the program can be installed via synaptic do that [02:45] <IFRFLYR> Hi, cafuego, thanks. I guess this is a question, then for ubuntu-devel? [02:45] <Burgundavia> IFRFLYR, no [02:45] <luke2> bimberi: It was w32codecs. Didn't see it in Synaptic. [02:45] <IFRFLYR> Burgundavia, Oh/? [02:45] <cafuego> IFRFLYR: kernel development [02:45] <IFRFLYR> Ah! [02:45] <IFRFLYR> where they be? [02:46] <cafuego> IFRFLYR: it might be a nice feature for the acpi module to take max_mhz as param or something [02:46] <cafuego> IFRFLYR: mailing list, google for LKML [02:46] <IFRFLYR> That's what I was thinking, rather than just switching it flat off, setting it to something reasonable [02:46] <Razor-X> print %n [02:46] <Razor-X> gah! [02:46] <Razor-X> sorry ;) [02:46] <qpid> licht und farben :D PARTY [02:46] <IFRFLYR> when you need to. [02:46] <IFRFLYR> Thanks! [02:47] <procrastinator> I love you guys! [02:47] <procrastinator> I just wanted you to know that. [02:47] <procrastinator> Goodnight! [02:47] <Surfdue_> :| [02:47] <windex> let's try again. :D question: does ubuntu support any network authentication methods (e.g. nss-samba, ldap, etc) out of the box (or via aptitude in the default post-install packages)? i don't see anything in aptitude search. [02:47] <Surfdue_> night [02:48] <qpid> why u call youre self windex? [02:49] <windex> i've used the name for a very, very long time. any original purpose i had is long forgotten. :) [02:49] <tikka> I have a dilema, I wish to permit other users to access drives I have mounted. Currently they recieve ACCESS DENIED.. anyone available to assist me? [02:50] <kozlyk> has anyone had a problem with zonealarm preventing them from accessing an ubuntu samba server? [02:50] <cafuego> windex: Yes, but you'll need to set up PAM to use said method. [02:50] <HrdwrBoB> well pam is already in use [02:50] <HrdwrBoB> but yes, you can change it to use network authentication [02:50] <cafuego> tikka: set permissions. if they're FAT32, check the uid, gid and umask options in 'man fstab'. [02:51] <tikka> kozlyk, Turn it off.. if u can get on the samba server u know its zone alarm........... in that instance check ur ZA settings [02:51] <qpid> sry but i take a nip to much:D [02:51] <HrdwrBoB> windex: are you also searching in universe? [02:51] <cato_> can i install the kernel-source-2.6.10-5-386 ? [02:51] <kozlyk> tikka: i have figured it is zonealarm now, just wondering if there was a setting specifically for local network access [02:51] <tikka> i did man mount.. which showed me information regarding the uid and gid, saying that the uid is set to 0 as default. so .. [02:51] <cato_> if there even is such a source? [02:51] <tikka> zone alarm is pretty pants [02:51] <windex> HrdwrBoB: no. i'm hoping for something that's paid more attention to than universe. :) [02:52] <tikka> cafuego, also its ntfs. makes any difference? [02:52] <HrdwrBoB> windex: heh, a lot of the stuff in universe is still maintained, just not 'officially' [02:53] <tikka> kozlyk, dare i suggest uninstalling ZA .. so that it prompts you next time you attempt it. google for permitting the lan range of ips.. since i havent a clue where u set that. [02:53] <goldfish> tikka: mount -t ntfs /dev/BLAH /mnt/foo -oumask=000 [02:53] <Burgundavia> windex, the stuff in universe has people looking after it. Universe merely means that you cannot pay canonical money to support you with it [02:53] <tikka> goldfish, thanks [02:53] <windex> well, basically what i want to be able to do is configure authentication across an entire network of ubuntu without adding software not in the default install and main for installation on machines. :) [02:54] <tikka> cafuego, thanks for the help. [02:54] <tikka> goldfish, thank you loads for getting me out of a situation i needed a fast solution too. [02:55] <SdEf> cafuego: if couldn't find read-edid ram timing information, only for read monitor timings, can you explain how to use it? [02:55] <HrdwrBoB> windex: I'm not sure that it's easily possible [02:56] <windex> HrdwrBoB: im figuring that out. :) [02:56] <yang> hello [02:56] <yang> i have a question here [02:56] <HrdwrBoB> yang: better ask it then [02:56] <HrdwrBoB> :) [02:56] <windex> HrdwrBoB: i think in order to do it i am going to have to build a package and configure a site-specific apt repository [02:57] <goldfish> tikka: no problem. [02:57] <yang> i've just insalled a beagle from synaptic, but i cannot run it, what should i do [02:58] <windex> HrdwrBoB: but since i should set up a mirror server anyway so security updates aren't downloaded a hundred times over.. [02:58] <cafuego> yang: Run 'beagled' and pray it doesn't crash immediately. [02:58] <cafuego> SdEf: No, I was on crack, it's not in there. [02:58] <yang> i'll try [02:58] <SdEf> oh, ok [02:59] <cafuego> yang: and then run 'best' [02:59] <ed1t> does anybody know the link for winmac_fstab ? [03:00] <cafuego> !listvals winmac [03:00] <ubotu> Factoid search of 'winmac' by value (7 shown): vfat ;; ntfs ;; hfs+ ;; user accessible ntfs ;; hfs ;; fat32 ;; hfsplus. [03:00] <cafuego> !vfat [03:00] <ubotu> I heard vfat is http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab [03:00] <ed1t> thx [03:01] <yang> cafuego: it said "Beagle Daemon exited with errors" [03:01] <Andares> Hi. [03:01] <Andares> How do I fix this? [03:01] <Andares> libfontconfig1-dev: [03:01] <Andares> Depends: libfontconfig1 (=2.2.3-4ubuntu7) but 2.3.1-2 is to be installed [03:01] <cafuego> yang: Yeah, it does that. Just give up until they fix the code. [03:01] <ed1t> cafuego, do you know any software for win xp from where i can access read/write on linux ext3 partitions? [03:02] <som1> how can i tell ubuntu to use a proxy for everything/something specific that doesnt support proxy use? [03:02] <Andares> I suck at apt-get, when I try to uninstall libfontconfig1 it threatens to uninstall every goddamn package I have. [03:02] <yang> cafuego: wha?.. o my... :D [03:02] <cafuego> ed1t: Payware for write, freeware for read... [03:02] <som1> ed1t ex2fs can read, im not sure if write [03:02] <Davey> my .desktop files are trying to run as scripts, what did I break and how can I fix it? :) [03:02] <yang> cafuego: thanx anyway [03:02] <Burgundavia> Andares, do you have non-ubuntu repos in your sources.list? [03:02] <Andares> Burgundavia, yea. [03:02] <Andares> Why? [03:02] <Burgundavia> Andares, which ones? [03:02] <cafuego> ed1t: explore2fs for write access (payware) [03:03] <ed1t> thx [03:03] <Andares> Burgundavia, Lets see.... Universe, Multiverse, Wine, and Enlightenment. [03:03] <cafuego> ed1t: No, I lie. [03:03] <ed1t> someone told me that there was some project on sf.ne [03:03] <ed1t> sf.net [03:03] <Burgundavia> Andares, you have stuff that is compiled for Sarge and not Hoary. That is what is breaking [03:03] <Burgundavia> Andares, not much you can do [03:03] <som1> how can i tell ubuntu to use a proxy for everything/something specific that doesnt support proxy use? [03:03] <som1> :< [03:03] <Andares> Burgundavia, ... [03:03] <Andares> Burgundavia, There is always something I can do. [03:04] <som1> "format and reinstall" is the windows way, Andares. [03:04] <Andares> And I am not on Windows. [03:04] <cafuego> ed1t: if the disk is marked as clean, this will also write: http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/ [03:04] <som1> but thats how it works. [03:04] <HrdwrBoB> windex: yeah [03:04] <Burgundavia> Andares, is it E or Wine that is trying to install a new fontconfig? [03:04] <HrdwrBoB> windex: I need to do the same thign here [03:04] <ed1t> cafuego, i have ext3 partitions [03:04] <Andares> Burgundavia, neither. Gosu. [03:04] <cafuego> ed1t: Yes, I just wrote to ext3 using it [03:05] <ed1t> ok [03:05] <cafuego> ed1t: just make sure it unmounts cleanly under Linux; then it'll be fine. [03:05] <Burgundavia> Andares, what is gosu [03:05] <Burgundavia> ? [03:06] <Andares> Burgundavia, It's a game sdk. [03:06] <Burgundavia> ah, ok [03:06] <Andares> I need to install "pangoft2", which needs this. [03:06] <Burgundavia> and what is that depending on? [03:07] <Andares> This. [03:07] <Andares> libfontconfig1-dev [03:08] <Andares> Burgundavia, Why does it want to remove every single package I've installed when I try to uninstall libfontconfig1? [03:08] <Andares> Is this a bug? [03:08] <Burgundavia> Andares, no [03:08] <Madpilot> back in a moment... upgrading to Opera 8.02... [03:08] <Burgundavia> the issue that Hoary is older than Sarge, and thus Wine and E are compiled for Sarge [03:09] <windex> isin't that the other way around, burg? [03:09] <windex> sarge was testing, sid was unstable.. hoary is based on sid? :) [03:09] <Burgundavia> yes, but frozen at an earlier date [03:09] <windex> ah [03:10] <Burgundavia> Hoary released in April, Sarge in June [03:10] <som1> how can i tell ubuntu to use a proxy? [03:10] <Madpilot> sweet, 8.02 works, I'm back [03:10] <Burgundavia> som1, system-->prefs-->network proxy [03:10] <som1> no [03:10] <som1> i use fvwm [03:11] <Burgundavia> then I have no idea [03:11] <jake1> has anyone been able to compile [03:11] <windex> sounds like you need to find out what system-->prefs-->network proxy does. :) [03:11] <NovaWo1f> Got a little annoyance issue here.. Whenever I shutdown -h after it goes through everything, and it starts to flush the drives, I get a buncha garbage and a Seg Fault.. Any clue what would cause that? [03:11] <som1> no ill skip that stage [03:11] <jake1> wlassistant + install it [03:11] <som1> and find out how its done myself [03:12] <Burgundavia> Andares, back to your issue. You might be screwed [03:12] <cato_> how do i "uninstall" a previously installed package? I installed it with "dpkg -i <package.deb>" [03:12] <Burgundavia> Andares, you can try and pull the packages and build them your self [03:12] <Burgundavia> Andares, wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuiderHowto can help you in that [03:12] <jake1> it says that i failed sanity or something along those lines [03:13] <windex> cato_: dpkg -r <package.deb> [03:13] <socomm> cato_: Read dpkg's manual. [03:13] <socomm> `man dpkg' [03:14] <gpd> cato_: you should be able to remove it with apt-get remove / aptitude / synaptic... [03:14] <cato_> tried that.. what i found out was something like dpkg -r --clear-avail <package.deb>.. but that didnt work.. :\ i suck at this.. heh [03:14] <Burgundavia> cato_, if you have X running, synaptic will tell you about locally installed packages [03:14] <vader1102> cato: no worries... I do to, that's the reason I sit in here [03:15] <dbw> anyone know where i can get GPG keys for the backports? [03:15] <cato_> All this hassle, just to get the newest ati drivers working.. bleh.. is it really worth it?.. [03:15] <som1> no unless you have a problem with the older driver [03:15] <cato_> i do [03:15] <cato_> the binarydriverhowto wont let me run games with cedega 4.4 [03:15] <som1> so its worth it [03:16] <largezhang> hi all. I want to download a package from oldstable of Debian. I put it in the source.lst, but apt seems to Ign it. What shall I do? Thanks. [03:16] <Burgundavia> largezhang, which package? [03:16] <som1> download it manually [03:17] <cato_> Does anyone know -all- the steps to getting the Universall ati installer working? like, what to install (What i REALLY need to get it working). [03:17] <largezhang> Burgundavia: libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 [03:17] <black13> what is command to setup xorg ... its dpkg-reconfigure ... somting right [03:18] <Burgundavia> largezhang, why are you trying to get that? [03:18] <astronut> I'm using the live cd to see how well linux handles all of my laptop's hardware....i fixed the PCMIA bus by modifying some PCI stuff, but to get the full features ofmy touchpad, i have to patch the kernel..how can i do this on a live cd? (Can i create a custem kernel on floppy, or reburn the cd, etc) [03:18] <astronut> black-whisp, xserver-xorg i believe [03:19] <som1> how can i set a proxy for everything by command? [03:19] <bimberi> black13: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [03:20] <astronut> som1, sudo route add default <proxy IP/address> [03:20] <astronut> ;-) [03:20] <som1> alright [03:20] <som1> thanks [03:20] <NovaWo1f> So, anyone know why when I shutdown I get a seg fault? [03:20] <astronut> only do that if you know what your'e doing [03:20] <astronut> because i don't think it's quite what you think [03:20] <astronut> NovaWo1f, what segfualts [03:20] <som1> i know what it does [03:20] <largezhang> Burgundavia: I have an executable stan2000 and it yelled for libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2, which google told is in that package [03:20] <som1> erm [03:20] <jake1> anyone here able to help me with compiling a KDE app [03:21] <black13> bimberi when dpkg-reconfigure runs does it launch a script inside the debian package? [03:21] <som1> how can i tell it to go after a few hops? [03:21] <jake1> please [03:21] <NovaWo1f> Its after it shuts down, and it starts flushing the hdd's, the console scrolls a buncha garbage and ends with a seg fault of some kind. [03:21] <astronut> som1, i really don't think you realize what that does.... [03:21] <Burgundavia> largezhang, Ubuntu already has a newer version of the libstdc++, so you won't be able to instlal it [03:21] <som1> i do [03:21] <jake1> seemingly i have a terminal error output message [03:21] <astronut> som1, if you say so... [03:21] <Burgundavia> jake1, you are more likely to find help in #kubuntu [03:21] <som1> but i need it to go like vxr.tau.ac.il->c6509.tau.ac.il and then my proxy [03:22] <Burgundavia> largezhang, does stan2000 not work with the version in Ubuntu? [03:22] <jake1> yea i tried that Burgundavia no one responded [03:22] <LokeDK> I removed the OpenOffice menu entrys by an accident.. how do I get them back [03:22] <astronut> som1, if your'e saying that, you REALLY dn't know what route is for [03:22] <Burgundavia> jake1, what are you compiling. From source or from apt-get source [03:22] <som1> yes so i dont need that command [03:22] <bimberi> black13: no idea sorry [03:22] <astronut> I'm using the live cd to see how well linux handles all of my laptop's hardware....i fixed the PCMIA bus by modifying some PCI stuff, but to get the full features ofmy touchpad, i have to patch the kernel..how can i do this on a live cd? (Can i create a custem kernel on floppy, or reburn the cd, etc) [03:22] <jake1> source [03:22] <som1> ANWYAY [03:23] <jake1> i thought that compiling from source would be the same in gnome and kde [03:23] <som1> err? [03:24] <largezhang> Burgundavia: it seems so: stan2000: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or director [03:25] <bimberi> black13: logically though - it would have to be running somthing that was unpacked from the package [03:25] <jake1> the output says "configure: error C++ preprocessor "/libb/cpp" fails sanity check [03:25] <jake1> " [03:25] <bimberi> black13: and using debconf it would seem) [03:25] <jake1> i am not even sure what that means [03:25] <black13> bimberi yep ... basically i am working on debian derive i am using for a game project [03:25] <bimberi> c/)// [03:25] <jake1> does that mean it needs a phsyciatrist [03:25] <jake1> ? [03:25] <black13> bimberi and i need xorg to autoconfigure [03:26] <black13> bimberi or semi autoconfigure [03:26] <cafuego> jedix: install build-essential [03:26] <jedix> hey, has anyone on an amd64 box setup doom3? [03:27] <jedix> cafuego: you knew the answer before the question? [03:27] <socomm> jedix: http://www.google.com/linux [03:27] <cafuego> black13: Any reason you're compiling Xorg instead of just using the package? [03:27] <bimberi> black13: dpkg-reconfigure has a --priority flag to control the level of questioning [03:27] <cafuego> jedix: No, tab went bad [03:27] <jedix> and socomm too I guess? [03:27] <cafuego> jake1: 'sudo apt-get install build-essential' [03:27] <punchman> cafuego, many many reasons [03:27] <black13> cafuego i stop compile serveral weeks back and im using the packages from ubuntu [03:28] <cafuego> punchman: Yes, but they're normally all bad. [03:28] <Gnobody> is x fixed in breezy yet? [03:28] <cafuego> Gnobody: No. [03:28] <black13> cafuego i stopped flagelating myself and wearing hairshirts [03:29] <cafuego> black13: Aaah i see. you after 'dpkg-reconfigure -(low|medium|high) xserver-xorg' ? [03:29] <cafuego> that's -p(low|medium|high) [03:29] <som1> how can i use a proxy for everything? [03:30] <som1> .. [03:30] <cafuego> I swear I'm going dyslexic in my old age [03:30] <Gnobody> anybody know when Colony 3 should be out? [03:30] <som1> you cant "go dyslexic" [03:30] <Gnobody> you can go blind [03:30] <tech> anyone expirience Xorg locking up and taking 100% cpu? it just happens randomly. i run latest kubuntu the latest ubuntu nvidia driver package. my videocard is nvidia geforce 6600 AGP. [03:30] <cafuego> som1: set $http_proxy anf $ftp_proxy [03:30] <som1> you go blind anyway [03:30] <thespiritoftal> how can i change root password? [03:30] <punchman> tech, hehehhehehehehehehehheheheh [03:30] <jake1> i hear that dyslexia does not effect you if you start studying another language [03:31] <som1> thank you. [03:31] <cafuego> I can so go lysdexic if i want to! [03:31] <jake1> such as chinese or arabic [03:31] <jake1> hey i got a question [03:31] <som1> but i dont mean for ftp/http [03:31] <jake1> what does DNA stand for [03:31] <tech> punchman, what? [03:31] <jake1> ? [03:31] <Gnobody> jake1 that is a wisetale [03:31] <som1> jake1 because you use another part of the brain for it [03:31] <|rockinnerd|> i'm compiling a new kernel, how do i make an initrd? [03:31] <black13> cafuego i have spoken to you before havent i [03:31] <cafuego> (Dexo?) Nucleic Acid [03:31] <Gnobody> De-oxyrybosnucleicacid [03:32] <Gnobody> yeah [03:32] <HrdwrBoB> |rockinnerd|: mkinitrd :) [03:32] <cafuego> Deoxy yes [03:32] <jake1> no... wrong... it stands for National Dyslexic Associatin [03:32] <jake1> :-P [03:32] <|rockinnerd|> do you really need an initrd? [03:32] <Gnobody> Ribos Nucleic Acid is RNA [03:32] <Randall64> breezy has real issues installing [03:32] <HrdwrBoB> |rockinnerd|: if you want to boot... yes [03:32] <som1> cafuego, for something other than ftp and http [03:32] <Randall64> Anyone know how to force it? [03:32] <cafuego> Randall64: Hecne the /topic - dDO NOT USE BREEZY [03:32] <Gnobody> I get a kernel panic on the latest Breezy cds [03:33] <cafuego> Randall64: Any part of that unclear? [03:33] <|rockinnerd|> HrdwrBoB, i'm using bootsplash, and it says to make it's own initrd... [03:33] <Randall64> cafuego: Can you clarify why glibc is broken in hoary? [03:33] <Gnobody> I never thought I'd see one of those, not even in a dev release [03:33] <Randall64> cafuego: Because really that's the reason I'm installing breezy. [03:33] <jake1> whats the difference between breezy and hoary [03:33] <jake1> ? [03:33] <Randall64> jake1: broken glibc, for one [03:33] <som1> breezy doesnt work, hoary does? [03:33] <Gnobody> newer stuff [03:33] <cafuego> Randall64: Last I heard it wasn't. Certainly no problems with it here. [03:34] <som1> :) [03:34] <punchman> ABI? [03:34] <cafuego> Randall64: is it giving you any specific errors? [03:34] <Gnobody> one is the development release the other is the current stable [03:34] <Randall64> cafuego: As rock-solid as the works for me principle is, I have to disagree. [03:34] <som1> so how can i use a proxy for something else? not ftp/http [03:34] <Randall64> cafuego: There are known issues on amd64 that's supposedly fixed in breezy. [03:34] <PurpleWurld> I'm not getting an "add" button in the network settings. anybody experiencing similar problems? [03:34] <Necrosan_> WHen booting the Ubuntu/sparc64 mini network install cd [03:34] <|rockinnerd|> wait, does >> add something from stdin to the END of a file? [03:35] <Necrosan_> it locks up at "Booting Linux" [03:35] <Necrosan_> Any ideas? [03:35] <astronut> yes [03:35] <cafuego> som1: use a socks-compatible version of whatever app you want proxy'd [03:35] <astronut> to |rockinnerd| [03:35] <astronut> |rockinnerd|: it's append [03:35] <som1> its not socks [03:35] <som1> and theres no such thing for what i want to use :( [03:35] <cafuego> som1: What do you want to proxy then? [03:35] <Gnobody> Hoary or Breezy Necrosan? [03:35] <som1> the app? [03:35] <cafuego> Randall64: I can't help you much without specific errors. [03:35] <cafuego> som1: yes [03:35] <Gnobody> necrosan_ [03:35] <som1> cafuego, enemy territory [03:36] <som1> its a game [03:36] <Gnobody> what is the problem som1? [03:36] <cafuego> som1: That's proprietary, god only knows. [03:36] <Luke> could someone tell me what the command to start the printer admin thing is? [03:36] <Randall64> cafuego: I don't think you can help anyway, but thanks. [03:36] <Necrosan_> Gnobody: Hoary [03:36] <vader1102> I use Hoary, but I am a total noob and I don't use amd 64....this is a no no for me until there are more drivers readily available [03:36] <Gnobody> killall -9 esd ; et [03:36] <som1> Gnobody i wanna use a proxy for et. [03:36] <Gnobody> ^^^ try that som1 [03:36] <som1> no. i can use sound on et. [03:37] <som1> it works fine [03:37] <Gnobody> whats the prob? [03:37] <som1> like i already said [03:37] <Gnobody> ahh [03:37] <som1> i wanna use a proxy on et. [03:37] <Gnobody> proxy [03:37] <Gnobody> hmm [03:37] <PurpleWurld> I'm trying to set up wireless access on ubuntu w/ a linksys wusb54gs usb adaptor. No success w/ ndiswrapper. Any ideas? [03:37] <cafuego> som1: WHY do you want to use a proxy for it? [03:37] <desrt> there's a program out there that lets you log into multiple computers and type the same thing into all of them, right? [03:37] <som1> because when i connect directly its slower [03:37] <Necrosan_> Gnobody: locks up on Booting Linux [03:37] <cafuego> som1: No, you're having a conceptual error. [03:38] <som1> ..... [03:38] <Gnobody> I seen that problem Necrosan_ on breezy discs but not hoary [03:38] <Gnobody> beats me [03:38] <Randall64> PurpleWurld: If that is using the chipset I think it does, look for the rt2400 driver on sf.net. [03:38] <cafuego> som1: Running it through a piece of software on a machine between you and the server is _not_ going to speed it up. [03:38] <Luke> could someone tell me what the command to start the printer admin application in System/Admin/Printer is? [03:38] <som1> it already has [03:38] <Necrosan_> Gnobody: On Sparc64? [03:38] <PurpleWurld> thnx randall64...I'll try that [03:38] <|rockinnerd|> thx [03:38] <cafuego> som1: it migth be dropping more packets and making it SEEM faster, but that's a different issue. [03:39] <Gnobody> Sparc64 and Itanium are real oddballs and are not supported that well by Ubuntu [03:39] <Necrosan_> yeah [03:39] <Necrosan_> heh [03:39] <som1> so i wanna check it [03:39] <Gnobody> try debian [03:39] <cafuego> som1: I guess you could try doing DNAT on the in-between box, but that again would have NO positive effect on data throughput [03:39] <som1> that never stopped me before [03:41] <som1> well [03:41] <som1> how? [03:41] <kadigibox> wholy crap...... ubuntu send me a bunch of CDs and I only ordered 10CDs but I got more like 90 or something like that [03:41] <som1> thats what happens when you order 10 cds. [03:42] <kadigibox> I didnt know they started makeing live CDs for all 3 arcitectures [03:42] <Geek> hey guys! [03:42] <Geek> someone here active? [03:43] <som1> i can do alot of things with cds. [03:43] <Geek> ah hello! =) [03:43] <som1> hi [03:43] <Madpilot> 90 CDs - that's a bunch of potential converts to Ubuntu! [03:43] <Geek> need some help please [03:43] <Madpilot> i've been burning LiveCDs and giving them to friends & family [03:43] <som1> i wasnt planning to keep the cds in one piece [03:43] <som1> :) [03:43] <kadigibox> I dont use ubuntu myself but all computers I sell are ubuntu computers [03:43] <vader1102> Geek ask and they shall answer [03:44] <Geek> okay [03:44] <Madpilot> Geek: "Don't ask to ask, just ask." [03:44] <som1> old [03:45] <kadigibox> although the fact that there is an AMD64 disk I may switch to ubuntu as Debian doesnt realy have an official relice of AMD64 [03:45] <[teh] > i suck [03:45] <Geek> well i just set up my server with the ubuntu install CD and i choose the server installation... well im not used to this runlevel.. just to the gui.. how can i download apache without a gui? [03:45] <[teh] > i thought this machine was locked [03:45] <som1> why when installing grub (with ubuntu) it doesnt notice netbsd? [03:45] <[teh] > i typed my root password into xchat [03:45] <[teh] > :( [03:45] <Madpilot> !lamp [03:45] <ubotu> lamp is, like, Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary [03:45] <Madpilot> Geek: see the URL that ubotu just posted [03:45] <som1> [teh] , change it then [03:46] <[teh] > doesn't matter though [03:46] <[teh] > im not running ssh [03:46] <dcgarri> wow... hey is there a place where I can go and not be an annoying new guy? [03:46] <Geek> ah thx [03:46] <[teh] > so nobody can get in [03:46] <dcgarri> (and also get some answers) [03:46] <som1> dcgarri, outside [03:47] <jake1> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your ins tallation and add the correct paths! [03:47] <Randall64> Is there a hoary mini-iso? [03:47] <timl> so, anyone know is breezy is safe atm? [03:47] <jake1> what do i do now [03:47] <jake1> anyone? [03:47] <som1> no timl [03:47] <som1> its not [03:47] <timl> what's it's current major problem? [03:47] <som1> "it doesnt work" [03:47] <timl> that topic has been like that for quite some time :) [03:48] <Geek> okay and another question: while the installation it didnt ask me for a root password.. and now i cant log on as root cause of that.. what is the standard password for root or how do i change it [03:48] <timl> "doesn't work" it'll make my computer explode or "doesn't work" one or two things are still a little flakey [03:48] <Randall64> I couldn't get breezy rc2 (or whatever it was #2) to install [03:48] <som1> explode i dont think so [03:48] <jake1> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your ins tallation and add the correct paths! [03:48] <jake1> can someone help me with that? [03:49] <Randall64> argh, 600MB iso instead of 40-85 mini [03:49] <cato_> finally! wee! managed to get the ati drivers working.. after like.. 2 days of tinkering around.. *sigh*.. well, its worth it.. i can play guildwars now.. :D [03:49] <cato_> dont ask me how i did it though.. :p [03:49] <dcgarri> yo cato. [03:49] <dcgarri> i'm looking for the same answer [03:49] <som1> so [03:49] <dcgarri> lol sorry [03:50] <cato_> dcgarri, sorry, but i dont really know what i did.. heh.. :p [03:50] <dcgarri> yeah i'm new though, so anything other than "click this" will be over my head [03:50] <som1> cafuego how do i use that thing u said? [03:50] <cato_> dcgarri, i just build the kernel module [03:50] <dcgarri> lol yeah i'll just go cry for a while then try to read the online docs [03:50] <Geek> yea like me [03:50] <som1> and why is ubuntu ignoring my netbsd installation? [03:51] <cato_> dcgarri, i just went through all of that.. and boy .. its annoying [03:51] <Randall64> som1: What should it do to it? [03:51] <cato_> dcgarri, hold on.. ill post a link for you [03:51] <jake1> cafuego?? [03:51] <oni_> i'm not getting sound in VLC [03:51] <som1> Randall64 if it atleast installs grub it should show netbsd [03:51] <jake1> anyone??? [03:51] <jake1> i'm desperate [03:51] <cato_> dcgarri, i went through these steps.. :) and ill also post my xorg.conf for you.. : http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=122362&postcount=6 [03:51] <Randall64> som1: and BeOS! [03:51] <som1> jake1 whats the problem [03:51] <jake1> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your ins tallation and add the correct paths! [03:51] <som1> oh [03:52] <jake1> i got that message on a compilation i did [03:52] <oni_> can anyone help in VLC? [03:52] <jake1> and i am not sure exactly what to do with it [03:52] <som1> so get the includes [03:52] <jake1> is it jst called includes [03:52] <som1> Randall64 anyway, netbsd is not new or something [03:52] <kadigibox> oni_, what you need help with on VLC? [03:52] <Madpilot> wow, that's pathetic - somebody's already produced a "Win Vista" skinset for Opera 8... ick... [03:52] <jake1> apt-get install x includes? [03:52] <oni_> I'm using ESD and it's not working with VLC [03:52] <som1> killall esd [03:52] <Shinikake> hi everyone [03:53] <cato_> dcgarri, and this is my xorg.conf.. http://pastebin.com/324311 [03:53] <MiMoSiN-> someone has installed ieee80211? [03:53] <oni_> anyone help? [03:53] <black13> what does dpkg-reconfigure do? [03:53] <MiMoSiN-> I am trying to upgrade my wireless card modules (ipw2200) [03:53] <Shinikake> i'm having problems with my wireless as well. [03:54] <jake1> som1: wats the name of the package' [03:54] <jake1> ? [03:54] <arbir> hi bob2 [03:54] <som1> no idea [03:54] <som1> im off [03:54] <dcgarri> hey cato, thanks a ton! [03:55] <caonex> Hello, my dad just installed ubuntu hoary, and after login into gnome, he got a problem with HAL, it says unable to initialize HAL, and he is only able to see the an empty desktop with a brown background and two empty bars, one at the top and one at the bottom. Basically, he is unable to do anything, why is htis? is there any way to fix it? [03:55] <arbir> i am trying to turn off a service using update-rc.d. how do i specify the default number for that service ? [03:55] <arbir> update-rc.d -n ppp stop 14 2 .0 [03:55] <arbir> System startup links for /etc/init.d/ppp already exist. [03:56] <arbir> anybody here ? [03:57] <Geek> yep [03:57] <arbir> hi geek [03:57] <Geek> hey [03:58] <arbir> how do you do ? [03:58] <Shinikake> I have a passphrase in place of a weap key, i've tried entering it in as "s:passphrase" and i've tried converting it to hex values, but it still doesn't obtain an ip from the dhcp server. i've tested the connection successfully using windows. the error message i'm getting is: NO DHCPOFFERS received. No working lleases in persistant database - sleeping. [03:58] <salapoliisi> can i install doom3 to 64bit ubuntu? [03:58] <Geek> sure =) [03:58] <Geek> im fine thanks and u? [03:58] <arbir> Gekk how do i disable a service in Ubuntu [03:58] <arbir> update-rc.d keeps failing for me [03:58] <HrdwrBoB> salapoliisi: no [03:58] <gpd> arbir: try sysvconfig [03:58] <HrdwrBoB> salapoliisi: it's a 32bit program [03:58] <oni_> how do I share IP? [03:58] <arbir> ok gpd [03:59] <Geek> =) [03:59] <oni_> like the OS X command for sharing IP [03:59] <salapoliisi> HrdwrBoB: isnt there any way to run doom3 in 64bit ubuntu? [03:59] <|rockinnerd|> salapoliisi, cedega? [03:59] <goldfish> chroot it to a 32-bit evironment. [03:59] <arbir> sysvconfig [03:59] <arbir> bash: sysvconfig: command not found [03:59] <gpd> arbir: do apt-get install sysvconfig... [03:59] <salapoliisi> can you give me tutorial to make chroot 32bit? [04:00] <arbir> gpd [04:00] <goldfish> salapoliisi: nope, the forums can. [04:00] <oni_> anyone knows how to share iP? [04:00] <salapoliisi> goldfish: can you give me link to forums? [04:00] <gpd> oni_: your question doesn't make sense... [04:00] <PurpleWurld> there is no "add" button in my 'networking' section under system configuration. does anyopne know what may cause this? [04:01] <caonex> How can i fix ubuntu from saying failure initializing hal? [04:01] <arbir> Get:1 http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe dialog 1.0-20041222-1 [180kB] [04:01] <arbir> Get:2 http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe sysvconfig 0.10 [23.4kB] [04:01] <arbir> ----- is it ok to get from Universe ? [04:01] <gpd> caonex: check that dbus-1 is running [04:01] <gpd> arbir: yes [04:01] <PurpleWurld> who are you speaking to arbir? [04:02] <arbir> i am talking to gpd PurpleWOrld [04:02] <arbir> i miss chkconfig from redhat :-( [04:02] <arbir> this sysvconfig looks good.. but i like the CLI stuff.. not menu stuff [04:02] <PurpleWurld> The problem is, I cannot get internet access on that machine w/o wireless access :(. I need to "add" the connection [04:02] <caonex> gpd, i just installed a fresh new copy, running for the first time, why would it not be? [04:02] <oni_> how I can share Internet coneccion with another computer connected to my lan? [04:03] <trulux> heya [04:03] <gpd> caonex: possible hardware failiure, DVD problem / cd in drive... ??? [04:03] <trulux> anyone here has successfully set an iPod photo to work on Hoary with gtkpod? [04:03] <|rockinnerd|> oni_: get a router :) [04:03] <arbir> gpd, thanks for this Util... looks cool. [04:03] <oni_> and routerless? [04:04] <arbir> but i want to learn the hard way also :-). or else i miss linux [04:04] <arbir> in fact Ubuntu [04:04] <|rockinnerd|> net.ipv4.forward = 1 i think [04:04] <|rockinnerd|> google it [04:04] <|rockinnerd|> nvm brb [04:04] <gpd> arbir: just hand edit the symlinks in /etc/rcX.d then ;) [04:04] <|rockinnerd|> i've got it somewhere... [04:04] <jake1> i hate compiling shit [04:04] <oni_> net.ipv4.foward? [04:04] <jake1> i really wish there were more installers available [04:05] <gpd> jake1: what are you trying to build? [04:05] <Geek> lol its 4AM here in austria [04:05] <jake1> wireless assistant [04:05] <jake1> app for kde [04:05] <arbir> gpd.. i could do that... but how do i determine that numbers [04:05] <|rockinnerd|> oni_, you have to echo it to something in /proc [04:05] <jake1> i keep missing something [04:05] <jake1> like now i am missing libXext [04:06] <arbir> for example S14ppp would become K?PPP @ gpd [04:06] <gpd> arbir: the numbers are just the order they are started or stopped in... [04:06] <arbir> right [04:06] <|rockinnerd|> oni_: http://www.homenethelp.com/web/howto/linux-share-internet.asp [04:06] <jake1> and unfortunately finding half this shit ain't easy [04:06] <jake1> gpd [04:07] <frank> jake1: well usually you can find everything you need to build on synaptic [04:07] <|rockinnerd|> oni_, http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ [04:08] <jake1> yea but i cnt type in libXext and get that [04:08] <jake1> as it is not seemingly listed [04:08] <gpd> jake1: why do you need wireless assistant? if it is your router you should just be able to hand edit /etc/networking/interfaces with a few lines [04:08] <frank> do searches in synaptic, its there! [04:08] <jake1> gpd: but i cnt see all the other routers [04:09] <jake1> such as when i am in public wifi access areas [04:09] <|rockinnerd|> s/my/his [04:09] <Randall64> Who said that? [04:09] <jake1> gpd: how can i find out what i need to get to have libXext? [04:10] <abarbaccia> hey guys - im having some issues with firefox - suddenly its not starting anymore [04:10] <Randall64> jake1: apt-cache search is good, but apt-file is better [04:10] <frank> jake1: the package is called libxext-dev [04:10] <gpd> jake1: apt-cache search libXext [04:10] <ToRTuReD_X> howcome i can't use "sudo apt-get install amule"? [04:10] <Randall64> abarb: Any errors in the xterm? [04:10] <abarbaccia> nope [04:10] <|rockinnerd|> abarbaccia, have you upgraded it? [04:10] <frank> ToRTuReD_X: is universe enabled? [04:10] <abarbaccia> |rockinnerd|, not that i know of - maybe actually... [04:10] <jake1> frank: how does one know what package things of such refer to [04:10] <ToRTuReD_X> erm all repositories are [04:10] <flyingsolo> hey ya'll, my cd drive isnt working now and im a 100% newbie to ubuntu [04:11] <ToRTuReD_X> says somethin bout broken packages [04:11] <Randall64> The somethin is the important part. [04:11] <|rockinnerd|> flyingsolo, define "doesn't work" [04:11] <frank> jake1: you do a search for it in synaptic. and you always need the -dev one to compile with [04:11] <abarbaccia> okay - removing firefox then installign it again [04:12] <|rockinnerd|> flyingsolo, are you new to just ubuntu, or linux in general? [04:12] <jake1> i did a search with libXext and that returned no results [04:12] <jake1> well i did package contents or something like that [04:12] <|rockinnerd|> flyingsolo: wtf [04:12] <flyingsolo> new to linux itself [04:12] <frank> jake1: i did a search for libxext and got the right one [04:12] <Randall64> argh, could this torrent be any slower? [04:13] <jake1> i wish it would scan for everything i need to make sure i have them before it starts the process of ./configure [04:13] <ToRTuReD_X> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) [04:13] <ToRTuReD_X> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? [04:13] <ToRTuReD_X> well [04:13] <arbir> update-rc.d ppp start 14 2 . [04:13] <arbir> System startup links for /etc/init.d/ppp already exist. [04:13] <ToRTuReD_X> alot of good sudo apt-get update did me [04:13] <arbir> why is this happening ? [04:13] <bimberi> ToRTuReD_X: close synaptic [04:13] <frank> jake1: well that is what ./configure checks [04:13] <jake1> ToRTuReD: quit synaptic [04:13] <ToRTuReD_X> oh [04:13] <ToRTuReD_X> lmao [04:13] <jake1> that might help [04:13] <ToRTuReD_X> stupid me [04:13] <ToRTuReD_X> 2nd time i've done that [04:13] <abarbaccia> arbir, is the script +x [04:13] <jake1> damn [04:13] <arbir> let me check abarbaccia [04:13] <jake1> same message [04:14] <frank> jake1: the package is called libxext-dev [04:14] <arbir> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2005-07-22 20:05 K14ppp -> ../init.d/ppp [04:14] <jake1> checking for IceConnectionNumber in -lICE... no [04:14] <jake1> checking for libXext... no [04:14] <jake1> configure: error: We need a working libXext to proceed. Since configure [04:14] <jake1> can't find it itself, we stop here assuming that make wouldn't find [04:14] <jake1> them either. [04:14] <ToRTuReD_X> The following packages have unmet dependencies: [04:14] <ToRTuReD_X> amule: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed [04:14] <ToRTuReD_X> Depends: libwxbase2.6 but it is not going to be installed [04:14] <ToRTuReD_X> Depends: libwxgtk2.6 but it is not going to be installed [04:14] <ToRTuReD_X> Depends: amule-common (= 2.0.3-2) but it is not going to be installed [04:14] <ToRTuReD_X> E: Broken packages [04:14] <jake1> frank i did that [04:14] <ToRTuReD_X> be nice :( [04:14] <rene> Hello? Hi, I'm new to Ubuntu, just got it a couple of days ago... [04:15] <abarbaccia> rene welcome [04:15] <jake1> not exactly as simple as clicking an icon and making the damn thing install automatically [04:15] <rene> Is this the Support? [04:15] <abarbaccia> Tech support [04:15] <abarbaccia> lol [04:15] <arbir> abarbaccia: did you see that ? [04:15] <rene> Thanks abar! [04:15] <rene> lol [04:15] <Madpilot> ToRTuReD_X: you using the us repositories? they might still be fubar'd [04:15] <jake1> it would be so much easier if there was one distro of Linix [04:15] <jake1> Linux* [04:15] <Madpilot> rene: we can probably fake it... [04:15] <abarbaccia> arbir, yea - i see that - try executing the script right now- does it run [04:15] <frank> ToRTuReD_X: what repositories do you have enabled? [04:15] <rene> Well, er, I'm having trouble with two things. If someone can help me (sorry for being such a newbie) [04:15] <abarbaccia> wait - arbir what is your problem exactly [04:16] <ToRTuReD_X> frank [04:16] <ToRTuReD_X> every repository is enabled [04:16] <arbir> i want to set the ppp to start using update-rc.d [04:16] <jake1> i got the libXext-dev but i still get the message saying checking for IceConnectionNumber in -lICE... no [04:16] <jake1> checking for libXext... no [04:16] <jake1> configure: error: We need a working libXext to proceed. Since configure [04:16] <jake1> can't find it itself, we stop here assuming that make wouldn't find [04:16] <jake1> them either. frank [04:16] <frank> jake1: yeah I'm not sure about that [04:16] <ed1t> jake1, why there should be only one distro? linux is all about choices [04:17] <ed1t> unlike windows...got stuck with wat u get [04:17] <frank> ToRTuReD_X: you should'nt have debian unstable repos enabled, do you? [04:17] <ed1t> choices and customization [04:17] <jake1> well yes but unfortunately there are so many choices it makes it complicated to choose the right one [04:17] <oni_> I downloaded Firestarter, but, my iMac conected to the hub... how do I give internet to him? [04:17] <Madpilot> ubuntu is the right one ;) [04:18] <jake1> see like i cnt even get a simple app to compile + install [04:18] <arbir> abarbaccia: i think update-rc.d works only for installation and removal... not to change the status of a script from start to stop or vice versa [04:18] <arbir> abarbaccia: thats what i see [04:18] <jake1> if there was one simple distro they would just have an installer and you would click it and viola it would do it all automatically [04:18] <Madpilot> rene: don't ask to ask, just ask... [04:18] <ToRTuReD_X> frank - i had one selected that i had added to repos [04:19] <abarbaccia> arbir, the way update-rc.d works is that on the runlevels that are booting your machine (like 2 for example) it starts the script. on levels that are shutting down your machine (like 6) its killing the script - thas what 'defaults' does [04:19] <frank> ToRTuReD_X: if you installed libraries with the debian one, you should try to revert them to ubuntu versions of the same [04:19] <rene> lol, er I can't seem to make any songs work on totem. The error message says There were no decoders found to handle the stream in file "file:///home/rene/Desktop/Ill%20Nino%20-%20Letting%20Go.mp3", you might need to install the corresponding plugins [04:19] <arbir> ok abarbaccia here is my question..... [04:19] <bob2> jake1: but that would require work from the developers [04:19] <bob2> jake1: ie someone to package it for ubuntu [04:19] <vader1102> Madpilot: do you find you repeat a lot?...lol, don't ask to ask lol, have I seen that befor?....hmmmmm [04:19] <arbir> abarbaccia: i have an init script in rc2.d which is called S14ppp [04:19] <arbir> abarbaccia: i want to stop it [04:20] <bob2> jake1: you can join #ubuntu-motu and help it get into ubuntu have that one-click-install [04:20] <abarbaccia> arbir, you just dont want it to start? [04:20] <arbir> abarbaccia: no.... [04:20] <arbir> abarbaccia: i dont want ppp to start up at rc2.d [04:20] <Madpilot> vader1102: it's worth repeating - lots of noobs just come in, say, "um i got a question" and then don't post anything useable... [04:20] <jake1> well for now is there ANYONE who can help me get the right stuff to get this wireless assistant app to install [04:20] <abarbaccia> arbir, right, you just dont want it starting in runlevel 2 [04:20] <frank> rene: gstearmer0.8-mad [04:21] <arbir> abarbaccia: u got me [04:21] <arbir> in fedora i would do chkconfig [04:21] <vader1102> true lol... I am just sitting here having a beer for the 1rst time in over a year [04:21] <jake1> the last message i got was "checking for IceConnectionNumber in -lICE... no [04:21] <jake1> checking for libXext... no [04:21] <jake1> configure: error: We need a working libXext to proceed. Since configure [04:21] <jake1> can't find it itself, we stop here assuming that make wouldn't find [04:21] <jake1> them either." [04:21] <abarbaccia> so that file in rc2.d is only a simlink to the actual script - you can delete the link [04:21] <bob2> rene: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats [04:21] <frank> rene: you need gstreamer0.8-mad [04:21] <nJess> i have a problem [04:21] <bob2> jake1: do not paste things in here [04:21] <rene> Thank you! [04:21] <abarbaccia> sudo rm rc2.d [04:21] <bob2> jake1: also, sudo aptitude install build-essential xlibs-dev [04:21] <bob2> jake1: then go to #kubuntu [04:21] <jake1> bob2 yea kubuntu is not very helpful [04:21] <nJess> i finally got my laptop working on ubuntu, but the processor won't clock down, so i have poor battery life, how do i make my processor clock down? [04:21] <bob2> shock! [04:21] <arbir> abarbaccia: i dont want to delet that link.. at a later stage i might want to enable that service again [04:22] <Jet2k5> jake1: lol I just got back from there it's dead silence for like 3 hours [04:22] <arbir> abarbaccia: just disable it in rc2.d [04:22] <bob2> nJess: you're using the default kernel? [04:22] <DAC1138> nJess, rebuild the kernel, but you cant in ubuntu [04:22] <bob2> nJess: and it was a default install? [04:22] <frank> arbir: sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/scriptname [04:22] <DAC1138> nJess, ive tried so many times, it just wont work [04:22] <nJess> bob2, yup, default install [04:22] <frank> arbir: to disable the script from being executable [04:22] <arbir> frank... is there not chkconfig style doing it ? [04:22] <abarbaccia> arbir, if you delete the link, it wont start at runlevel 2, to enable it again just run the rcupdate command again or recreate the link [04:23] <bob2> nJess: and a default kernel? [04:23] <nJess> im using the newest hoary kernel [04:23] <DAC1138> bob2, obviously, iv he just did an install [04:23] <DAC1138> if* [04:23] <ToRTuReD_X> man [04:23] <arbir> cani do ... chkconfig 2 ppp off [04:23] <abarbaccia> arbir, at boot it simply goes through the directory and exectues every link thats sitting in that folder - update-rc.d is a tool made for your convenience so you dont have to make them all yourself [04:23] <frank> arbir: there is ubuntu boot manager (ubm) that might do it. I don't know chkconfig [04:23] <jake1> yea Jet2k5 i noticed that [04:23] <ToRTuReD_X> i'd hate to format and set this up like i do windows [04:24] <ToRTuReD_X> formatting linux would be a pain in the ass to get it back to the way you had it [04:24] <ToRTuReD_X> ;/ [04:24] <arbir> right [04:24] <DAC1138> nJess, mine has the same problem, and my fan wont turn off [04:24] <nJess> bob2, im using the newest hoary kernel [04:24] <jake1> i agree ToRTuReD_X [04:24] <ToRTuReD_X> :p [04:24] <DAC1138> nJess, even when i set my laptop over the air vent on the floor where the cold cold air shoots up into the cpu fan, it wont shut off [04:24] <jake1> i should get breezy [04:24] <ToRTuReD_X> now smoke time wille i wait for xine-ui to install [04:24] <rob^> jake1, no [04:24] <ToRTuReD_X> bom bom bommmmm [04:24] <frank> ToRTuReD_X: its not that big a deal if you have a separate /home partition [04:25] <DAC1138> jake1, you should, and b0rk your system [04:25] <bob2> DAC1138: no, not obviously [04:25] <hondje> where does gnome store screen resolution in the conf editor? [04:25] <frank> jake1: no [04:25] <jake1> ok then [04:25] <jake1> i won't [04:25] <ToRTuReD_X> i need wine or vmware so i can run photoshop [04:25] <bob2> nJess: what does linuxlaptops.net say about support for your laptop? [04:25] <rob_p> arbir: The Ubuntu equivalent to chkconfig is update-rc.d. Read up on it. It's not too difficult. [04:25] <jake1> i wish ./configure would just pick up right before the previous error message instead of waiting all over again [04:25] <nJess> bob2, i have no clue, what is that site? [04:25] <ToRTuReD_X> my life depends on photoshp and gimp is a cheap replacement with none of the features [04:25] <arbir> rob_p: i have been working on that... i keep getting an error [04:26] <rob_p> arbir: what sort of error? [04:26] <bob2> nJess: go look? [04:26] <hondje> Then use photoshop [04:26] <arbir> rob_p: update-rc.d ppp start 14 2 . [04:26] <arbir> System startup links for /etc/init.d/ppp already exist. [04:26] <linuxnewbie> could someone help me? I am new to Linux and for some reason, I cannot see my other hard drive [04:26] <hondje> Or end your life, I suppose that's a viable option [04:26] <vader1102> try inkscape dude [04:26] <abarbaccia> ToRTuReD_X, i've heard gimp is very close (different names and locations of tools) but the only thing its lacking is the color palets linked to specific printers - like the color matching which makes PS so expensive [04:26] <bob2> linuxnewbie: "see"? you'll have to mount it before you can do anything with it. [04:26] <nJess> bob2, that is not a real website [04:26] <linuxnewbie> ok, how would I do that? [04:27] <DAC1138> bob2, linuxlaptops.net isnt up anymore [04:27] <rob_p> arbir: so if it already exists, why are you trying to add it? [04:27] <bob2> nJess: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ [04:27] <Madpilot> ToRTuReD_X: i've also heard that PS is one of the things that runs badly - if at all - in wine - but haven't confirmed it... [04:27] <bob2> ubotu: laptop is http://www.linux-laptop.net/ [04:27] <ubotu> bob2: okay [04:27] <arbir> rob_p: i want to disbaled that service [04:27] <oni_> can anyone help me with firestarter internet sharing? [04:27] <arbir> rob_p: *disbale [04:28] <rob_p> arbir: then do a, "update-rc.d -f ppp remove" [04:28] <hondje> does anyone know where the screen resolution is kept in gnome? I'm trying to write a script using gconftool-2, but can't find it [04:28] <oni_> mmm= [04:28] <oni_> mm? [04:28] <arbir> rob_p what does remove do ? will it delete the script from that directory? [04:28] <nJess> bob2, it says nothing at all [04:28] <linuxnewbie> how do you mount a slave hard drive? [04:28] <Randall64> hondje: Are you sure it is kept in gnome? [04:29] <hondje> Randall64: The screen resolution capplet can set it, so I'd assume so [04:29] <rob_p> arbir: the same thing that "chkconfig --del ppp" would do on a Red Hat/Mandrake system... it removes it from the run levels... [04:29] <oni_> anyone knows how to share internet with Firestarter? [04:29] <Randall64> hondje: Maybe it doesn't exist until you have changd it from the normal resolution (guess) [04:29] <bob2> nJess: that's not very encouraging [04:29] <bob2> oni_: er, there's a wizard for that [04:29] <nJess> well [04:29] <rob_p> arbir: the script itself stays intact within the /etc/init.d/ directory but the symlinks are removed. Understand? [04:29] <nJess> it has similar laptops [04:30] <bob2> linuxnewbie: www.,ubuntuguide.org [04:30] <oni_> but its not working with me [04:30] <rene> Thank you for the HELP!!!! [04:30] <hondje> it allows one to set the default resolution, so I was thinking that it querys that value somewhere and sets it since the 'default' can be independant of xorg provided xorg allows it to exist [04:30] <nJess> my laptop is not a real single model number you see, bob2, it is a combination of parts of an acer aspire 1360 and an acer aspire 1520 [04:30] <arbir> rob_p: i dont wan tto --del ppp [04:30] <arbir> i want to do this [04:30] <jake1> come on so damn close [04:30] <arbir> chkconfig 2 ppp off [04:30] <bob2> oni_: so, instead of asking how o do it, explain in what way it isn't working [04:30] <arbir> do you see what i am aiming at ? [04:30] <rob_p> arbir: What do you want to do? [04:30] <bob2> arbir: sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S*ppp [04:31] <bob2> nJess: er, ok then [04:31] <hondje> ah HAH, found it [04:31] <thespiritoftal> is Breezy Badger better than Hoary Hedgehog? [04:31] <nJess> bob2, the most important informational bit i got is this, and it was for slackware [04:31] <bob2> thespiritoftal: no [04:31] <nJess> bob2, to use cpufreq you have to enable the ACPI interface (all the modules processor, fan, battery, ac etc. are needed) and the powernow-k8 module for 64 bit Athlon processor and choose the cpufreq policy (I use userspace). [04:31] <arbir> bob2: why do we want to remove it ? why cant we just call it K14ppp ? [04:31] <frank> thespiritoftal: no, not yet [04:31] <jedix> can someone help me with an nvidia problem with doom3? [04:31] <bob2> arbir: ? removing a symlink is how yo udisable services from starting [04:32] <arbir> cant we make update-rc.d just disable a script and not delete it from that directory [04:32] <bob2> nJess: and is the powernow-k8 module loaded? [04:32] <frank> jedix: what is the problem? [04:32] <nJess> bob2, i don't know how [04:32] <bob2> arbir: it's not a script, it's a symlink [04:32] <bob2> nJess: lsmod [04:32] <bob2> nJess: look at the output [04:32] <jake1> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. [04:32] <jake1> So, check this please and use another prefix! [04:32] <jake1> wtf? [04:32] <jedix> I get the errr "api mismatch the kernel modules is version 1.0.7667, but this library is 1.0.7174".. [04:32] <arbir> bob2: what at a later date, i want to enable my service at that run level, and i wont even know that this service would go at that run level [04:32] <oni_> well I have just one ethernet card, eth0, whose is connected to a hub, where the internet its uplink, and in the hub I have an iMac connected too, how do I share just like OS X? [04:32] <frank> arbir: deleting the symlink is disabling it [04:32] <jedix> frank: see above [04:32] <bob2> jake1: ? that's obviously correct, you didn't install them [04:32] <bob2> jake1: kde-devel [04:33] <Randall64> jedix: Make all your packages match ... [04:33] <bob2> arbir: then use update-rc.d [04:33] <nJess> bob2, no it is not [04:33] <thespiritoftal> I have just installed ubuntu.. what do you think about its security? is a firewall needed? or a vulnerability scanner? and should i install an antivirus software? [04:33] <bob2> arbir: you're obsessing over something utterly unimportant [04:33] <frank> jedix: this is for the drivers from nvdia? [04:33] <bob2> nJess: sudo modpeobre powernow-k8 [04:33] <hondje> if it helps anyone in the future, you can change default resolution with 'gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/gnome/screen/default/0/resolution <values>' [04:33] <jedix> frank: yes [04:33] <arbir> i know deleting is disbaling.. or even renaming it to anything else but S* is disabling it [04:33] <arbir> bob2 i am getting errors update-rc.d [04:33] <arbir> agrees with bob2 [04:33] <jedix> Randall64: which packages exactly? I installed the drivers from the nvidia website [04:34] <Randall64> jedix: nvidia* [04:34] <nJess> bob2, it is done [04:34] <frank> jedix: did the nvidia installation script work well? [04:34] <arbir> i am obsessed......but this is how i learn.. unless i am obsesses i dont ever learn :-) sorry bob2 [04:34] <jedix> frank: yes [04:34] <jedix> I can run it again.. [04:34] <hondje> thespiritoftal: You don't really need much unless you decide to run a webserver or something [04:34] <Randall64> jedix: I'd use the debs myself (and do) [04:34] <HrdwrBoB> hondje: I just realised, is there a way to turn that off [04:34] <jedix> but there are packages installed from apt that are nvidia.. maybe remove them? [04:34] <hondje> just don't run scripts from sources you don't trust [04:34] <dooonz> if i have an old computer with only a serial mouse port can i install a usb card and hook up a usb mouse to it [04:34] <thespiritoftal> thanks hondje [04:34] <HrdwrBoB> hondje: because I'll be running an NFS /home on multiple PCs with different resolution [04:34] <hondje> HrdwrBoB: Sorry, turn what off? [04:35] <nJess> bob2, what shall i do now? [04:35] <Randall64> doonz: It probably doesn't even have pci (so no) [04:35] <dcgarri> alright... i need basic info if anyone has the patience [04:35] <HrdwrBoB> the gnome resolution setter [04:35] <frank> jedix: thats right did you remove the ubuntu nvidia driver package? [04:35] <hondje> HrdwrBoB: oh, interesting [04:35] <HrdwrBoB> it automatically runs when you login [04:35] <bob2> nJess: load the module... [04:35] <dooonz> it does tho [04:35] <jedix> frank: I'll try that. [04:35] <thespiritoftal> when a new version is released will we be able to upgrade it using synaptic? [04:35] <nJess> how? [04:35] <HrdwrBoB> I imagine you can stop it loading, but I think there should be a gconf option [04:35] <hondje> HrdwrBoB: so /home is exported, but xorg.conf is local to each client? [04:35] <bob2> nJess: with the command I gave you already... [04:35] <Randall64> dooonz: crazy, but yes then [04:35] <HrdwrBoB> hondje: yeah [04:35] <dooonz> ok [04:35] <dooonz> thanx [04:35] <nJess> modprobe? i did that [04:36] <dcgarri> I don't even know how to execute an rpm file [04:36] <vader1102> |wow| I forgot how it feels to be kidless, I have gotten more done tonight than I have in the past week lol(bed early tonight) [04:36] <hondje> HrdwrBoB: nice question .... hmm [04:36] <HrdwrBoB> hondje: one ws will be 2560x1024 and others will be 1024x768, others again different [04:36] <bob2> nJess: and restart cpufreqd [04:36] <hondje> HrdwrBoB: I guess you could set a start/stop script in gnome to blank that string, forcing it to get it from xorg [04:36] <nJess> bob2, now? [04:37] <nJess> how* [04:37] <HrdwrBoB> hondje: yeah there's a few ways to work around it [04:37] <boo_boo> hi [04:37] <hondje> something like 'gconftool-2 --type string --unset /desktop/gnome/screen/default/0/resolution' [04:37] <bob2> nJess: sudo invoke-rc.d cpufreqd restart [04:37] <black13> what would cause "xinit: error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6 cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory " the file is present in the directory /usr/X11R6/lib/ [04:37] <HrdwrBoB> I just realised it when I was envisioning my master plan for a ridiculously overspecced home network [04:38] <bob2> black13: you're using breezy, right? [04:38] <jedix> thanks guys, now it faults on trying to use OSS [04:38] <Amaranth> oops [04:38] <hondje> or --recursive-unset, blank out the refresh rate value [04:38] <hondje> but that's all I can think of offhand, HrdwrBoB [04:38] <nJess> bob2, /etc/init.d/cpufeqd not found [04:39] <bob2> nJess: that's not what I said [04:39] <HrdwrBoB> cheers anyway [04:39] <black13> bob2 hoary [04:39] <nJess> bob2, i typed what you said, it gave me that output [04:39] <bob2> black13: and how have you changed it from the default install? [04:39] <jake1> i like pizza [04:39] <ToRTuReD_X> grr [04:39] <bob2> 12:37:30 @ bob2 | nJess: sudo invoke-rc.d cpufreqd restart [04:39] <bob2> 12:38:47 nJess | bob2, /etc/init.d/cpufeqd not found [04:39] <jedix> actually it is seg faulting :( [04:39] <ToRTuReD_X> ubuntu hates me [04:39] <black13> bob2 massively [04:40] <nJess> oh [04:40] <bob2> black13: awesome [04:40] <nJess> i typoed the replu [04:40] <hondje> HrdwrBoB: since your startup stuff is in /home anyway, it might just work by giving it first priority...be interesting to find out if gnome can switch resolution at that point [04:40] <arbir> what is vbestate [04:40] <ToRTuReD_X> xmms and beep media player both freeze when i try to play music [04:40] <nJess> reply [04:40] <nJess> it is still not found [04:40] <arbir> bob2: what is this service vbesave [04:40] <nJess> bob2, /etc/init.d/cpufreqd not found [04:40] <bob2> arbir: don't touch things you don't understand [04:40] <nevin> ToRTuReD_X: what audio plugin are you using? [04:40] <lcharly_TheOne> i have problems with my sound card when i put a cd i can hear it but i can play mp3 [04:40] <bob2> arbir: just leave it there, it's for helping suspend and resume work [04:40] <nevin> lcharly_TheOne: that's the software you're using, not the card [04:40] <arbir> ok bob2.. i get it [04:41] <black13> man i love bruce cambpel [04:41] <bob2> nJess: sudo invoke-rc.d powernowd restart [04:41] <arbir> bob2 where can i find more info on vbesave? [04:41] <boo_boo> need some help, app installer will not open used apt-get to install. remove and re-install. any thoughts? [04:41] <nJess> ok bob2, that worked [04:41] <hybrid_goth> is there a gopher program for ubuntu? [04:41] <nJess> what now? [04:41] <ToRTuReD_X> nevin [04:41] <ToRTuReD_X> audio plugin? [04:41] <lcharly_TheOne> i'm using xmms and beep media player [04:41] <Randall64> gopher? come on now [04:41] <frank> hybrid_goth: hehe [04:41] <bob2> hybrid_goth: apt-cache search gopher [04:42] <nevin> ToRTuReD_X: press ctrl+p when you have xmms focussed [04:42] <black13> bob2 any ideas [04:42] <Randall64> Even universities can't be using gopher anymore. [04:42] <nevin> ToRTuReD_X: the output plguin should be in the lower half of the popup [04:42] <CMTheory> how do i set up sound in cedega? (in on hoary with a working built in "sound card") [04:42] <nJess> hey bob2, my fan just slowed down, does that mean it worked? [04:42] <nevin> lcharly_TheOne: what symptoms do you have? [04:42] <arbir> i see sysklogd and klogd both running.. are both required ? [04:42] <ToRTuReD_X> erm [04:42] <ToRTuReD_X> dammit [04:43] <ToRTuReD_X> it's not closing [04:43] <ToRTuReD_X> :/ [04:43] <frank> CMTheory: there is a config file somewhere where you can choose oss or alsa. look at the transgaming forums maybe [04:43] <nevin> in a shell, type: killall xmms [04:43] <CMTheory> tnx [04:43] <CMTheory> -looking- [04:43] <lcharly_TheOne> when i play mp3 its saids [04:43] <bob2> black13: not unless you explain what you did to it [04:44] <bob2> nJess: could be [04:44] <bob2> nJess: add powernow-k8 or whatever it was, on it's own line, to /etc/modules [04:44] <ray_> hello [04:44] <bob2> arbir: yes [04:44] <nothingssomethin> hello bob2 [04:44] <lcharly_TheOne> your sound card isn't configured propetly [04:44] <lcharly_TheOne> do you have selectes the output plugin correctly [04:44] <nevin> lcharly_TheOne: open the preferences dialog (ctrl+p) and tell me which output plugin you're using [04:44] <arbir> bob2 i am in the process of stopping unwanted services.... [04:45] <arbir> bob2 i dont have a printer so i want to stop cups [04:45] <bob2> arbir: er, ok [04:45] <lcharly_TheOne> libtonege.so [04:45] <lcharly_TheOne> libcduadio.so [04:45] <nJess> bob2, thanks [04:45] <lcharly_TheOne> libmpg123.so [04:45] <Kovecses> anybody know how to start a process in gnome as root when you start up? [04:45] <lcharly_TheOne> libvorbis.so [04:45] <nothingssomethin> how can i use synaptic to get samba with swat included ??? [04:45] <black13> bob2 basicall i made hoary chroot using debootstap ... [04:45] <arbir> bob2 what is acpi for ? does it affect system performance ? [04:45] <lcharly_TheOne> libwav.so [04:45] <nothingssomethin> how can i use synaptic to get samba 3 with swat included ??? [04:45] <nevin> lcharly_TheOne: those are input plugins [04:45] <oni_> there's any way to share internet connection just as Mac OS X do? [04:45] <nothingssomethin> ver 3 the new one [04:46] <bob2> arbir: leave it [04:46] <black13> bob2 then made the chroot bootable ... [04:46] <lcharly_TheOne> sorry [04:46] <bob2> Kovecses: what ae you trying to do? [04:46] <nevin> lcharly_TheOne: there's a pull-down box labelled "Output Plugin" [04:46] <bob2> oni_: install firestarter [04:46] <lcharly_TheOne> im using lib oss.so [04:46] <nevin> lcharly_TheOne: choose "eSound Output Plugin [...] " [04:46] <Kovecses> bob2, to run enemy-territory you must do echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss as root [04:47] <hybrid_goth> heh firefox can do gopher:// [04:47] <oni_> bob2: firestarter needs two Ethernet cards, and OS X can just share with one... [04:47] <lcharly_TheOne> thaks [04:47] <lcharly_TheOne> nevin, [04:47] <bob2> oni_: that's nasty [04:47] <lcharly_TheOne> its works [04:47] <nevin> lcharly_TheOne: anytime [04:47] <Kovecses> bob2, i tried changing the permissions but it somehow changes them back? [04:47] <nothingssomethin> maybe someone can help me [04:47] <lcharly_TheOne> i have another problem [04:47] <lcharly_TheOne> with my video card [04:47] <bob2> Kovecses: just run it from the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh [04:47] <frank> bob2: it is the solution that I found to [04:47] <lcharly_TheOne> is an ATI radeon xpress 200m [04:47] <arbir> bob2: which services do you think i can safely remove... i see so many services most of which i dont understand [04:47] <oni_> bob2: any other option? [04:48] <Kovecses> bob2, ok so just plug it at the end? [04:48] <bob2> arbir: I'd just leave them, since they don't use any ram anyway [04:48] <arbir> bob2 if that is th case.. i would leave it .. i was only scared about the ram that each service was occupying [04:48] <black13> bob2 like i said it boots boots great but no xorg .. yet [04:49] <bob2> arbir: no, if they're unusued they will go into swap [04:49] <arbir> bob2 sat for example. fetchmail....i dont use fetchmail [04:49] <bob2> arbir: and it won't run unless you do [04:49] <lcharly_TheOne> and the video is too slow [04:49] <arbir> bob2 insttead of troubling you.. is there any link which you can provice me where i can read up about these services ? [04:50] <bob2> "too slow"? [04:50] <bob2> arbir: no [04:50] <arbir> *provide* [04:50] <gpd> arbir: I removed a bunch of stuff I thought I didn't need... dbus-1 was one of them... after hours of HAL errors I realized dbus-1 was HAL!!! [04:50] <arbir> hmmm [04:50] <lcharly_TheOne> i edit the xorg.conf and put the option "noaccel" "true" [04:50] <arbir> gpd: hmmmm [04:50] <hondje> gpd: hehehe, nice [04:50] <nevin> lcharly_TheOne: slow? too few frames per scond? what exactly do you mean? [04:50] <arbir> what does dbus do ? [04:50] <arbir> its got to do something with databus ? [04:50] <bob2> no [04:51] <bob2> just leave dbus, it\s essential these days [04:51] <nevin> lcharly_TheOne: did it work with acceleration? [04:51] <lcharly_TheOne> ehen i open for exemple and internte browser [04:51] <sandis> does anybody know what is segmentation fault (11) ??? [04:51] <lcharly_TheOne> didn't [04:51] <hondje> sandis: yes [04:51] <arbir> bob2: i may not be a super geek... but i would like to know about my system... [04:51] <bob2> sandis: it means the program is buggy and got killed [04:51] <bob2> sandis: or you have bad ram [04:51] <arbir> bob2: is that wrong ? [04:51] <bob2> arbir: no... [04:51] <sandis> hmm if its ram, how do i know? [04:51] <nothing> is it true that the new samba 3 soupport active directory ? [04:52] <lcharly_TheOne> and i goind down in the page it's too slow [04:52] <bob2> sandis: you can reboot and run memtest86 [04:52] <nevin> lcharly_TheOne: sorry, its bloody late here, I'm off to sleep [04:52] <lcharly_TheOne> i have so much problems with my lap [04:52] <bob2> that will take many hours, tho [04:52] <bob2> nothing: it's not that new, but yes [04:52] <lcharly_TheOne> specialy with the amd turion 64 [04:53] <lcharly_TheOne> there are no drivers for this proccessor [04:53] <sandis> bob2: ok, ill try it [04:53] <bob2> lcharly_TheOne: your cpu needs drivers? why? [04:53] <lcharly_TheOne> whel no drivers sorry kernel [04:53] <nothing> does synaptic have it in it's reposotorys [04:53] <bob2> lcharly_TheOne: sure there is, the k8 ones run fine [04:54] <ToRTuReD_X> k [04:54] <lcharly_TheOne> yea thats wih im using [04:54] <ToRTuReD_X> rebooting [04:54] <vergeofimpetus> sorry for all the nick changes [04:54] <bob2> lcharly_TheOne: so in what sense does your cpu not have a driver? [04:54] <lcharly_TheOne> but the proccessos its always working on 50% [04:54] <bob2> so it's being scaled down [04:54] <vergeofimpetus> someone had the nic that i wanted [04:54] <bob2> feature, not a bug [04:55] <lcharly_TheOne> but i see the process and there is not proccess using that [04:55] <black13> i feel like getting tore up [04:55] <lcharly_TheOne> right now im coping files from cd to my hd and the computes is too slow [04:55] <arbir> bob2 can i download the source and compile and install ? [04:55] <lcharly_TheOne> and the procesor is working 100% [04:56] <bob2> arbir: of what? [04:56] <bob2> lcharly_TheOne: perhaps you don't have dma enabled [04:56] <arbir> i need to compile apache for a very specific config [04:56] <jeboespflug> quit [04:56] <etzerd> hello room? [04:56] <bob2> lcharly_TheOne: it'd be a lot easier if you pointed at specific issues like that, instead of saying "my cpu doesn't have drivers" [04:56] <bob2> arbir: no you don't [04:56] <etzerd> can anyone tell me how to install KDE in Unbuntu? [04:56] <bugz_> anybody here have windows xp professional that i can copy... pls [04:56] <arbir> hello etzerd [04:57] <bob2> etzerd: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop [04:57] <arbir> bob2: then how can i customise certain modules in my apache ? [04:57] <bob2> arbir: explain what you want to do [04:57] <etzerd> hello arbir [04:57] <etzerd> thanks bob2 [04:57] <vergeofimpetus> when i download samba in synaptic does it do any preconfigureing whatso ever? and will it have the SWAT [04:57] <lcharly_TheOne> i don't understand you [04:57] <etzerd> I uninstall Ubuntu for while now I forget the command [04:57] <etzerd> thanks let me go back and install it [04:57] <arbir> bob2 i need to enable digest , dso and other pluygins for my apache [04:57] <bob2> lcharly_TheOne: maybe #ubuntu-es is a better place to ask [04:58] <bob2> arbir: which ubuntu's apache already includes [04:58] <lcharly_TheOne> i ask but nobody answer [04:58] <thoreauputic> vergeofimpetus: swat - I think it doesn't [04:58] <bob2> vergeofimpetus: it will run on a specific work group, yes [04:58] <Randall64> awesome, hoary kernel deb corrupted [04:58] <arbir> ok ..and what if i dont want a certain module in my compilation which ubuntu includes ? [04:58] <Randall64> This gets better and better. [04:58] <bob2> arbir: then don't load it [04:59] <Viorus|busy> what's the commando to show ip (sleepy) [04:59] <thoreauputic> vergeofimpetus: you can install swat from the universe repo [04:59] <arbir> i need apache to be configured for PHP with mysql and pgsql both [04:59] <Randall64> ifconfigo [04:59] <bimberi> Viorus|busy: ifconfig [04:59] <bob2> arbir: again, no need to compile anything [04:59] <bob2> Viorus|busy: or "ip a" [05:00] <Viorus|busy> bob2 ifconfig was what I had on mind, thx=) [05:00] <arbir> ok bob2.... i want mysql 5.0 beta..... i really need to test it for our stuff here [05:00] <arbir> and it has to work with php [05:00] <bob2> arbir: then go install that yourself [05:00] <Randall64> Someone stop me from just beating the shit out of this peecee. [05:00] <Randall64> It's just not worth this. [05:00] <bob2> and any plan depending on a beta version of mysql seems doomed [05:01] <arbir> bob2 its not for production [05:01] <efigyidol> arbir: try #apache [05:01] <bob2> still [05:02] <arbir> i need to eval it and write a software for mysql 5 [05:02] <cddesjar> what is the default bittorrent client include with ubuntu? is it gnome torrent or gtorrent or something like that? [05:03] <Madpilot> is it possible to script a Gnome Launcher to run a java .jar file? [05:03] <jake1> ok what does one usually do after "make install" [05:03] <jake1> the readme file is blank [05:04] <black13> bob2 are you there? [05:04] <bob2> Madpilot: of course, they can run whatever you want [05:04] <cddesjar> what is the default bittorrent client include with ubuntu? is it gnome torrent or gtorrent or something like that? [05:04] <thoreauputic> jake1: make install is the final step - you can run the program after that [05:04] <bob2> cddesjar: no need to repeat [05:04] <arbir> bob2: also does the default install of apache support asp.net with mono ? [05:04] <bob2> apt-cache search gnome torrent [05:04] <bob2> arbir: nope [05:04] <bob2> arbir: use xsp and mod_proxy [05:05] <jake1> thoreauputic: do i have to be in a specific directory to run the program? [05:05] <arbir> hmm.... bob2 are they all DDO modules ? [05:05] <bob2> DSO [05:05] <bob2> and no, xsp is not [05:05] <arbir> bob2: i mean, after i install apache, can i just plug int the mono-module and start wowrking with asp.net [05:05] <thoreauputic> jake1: no, - provided it is in your $PATH ( echo $PATH to see) [05:05] <bob2> afaik there is no asp.net module for apache2 [05:05] <vinux> woot! I've got some ubuntu cds in the mail and i've been handing them out. Soon we will rule the world! muhahha well no not really :) [05:05] <black13> its xauth that fails [05:06] <arbir> well than i can use the apache1.x version as long as it works for me [05:06] <Madpilot> bob2: how complete does the path have to be? "java -jar home/brian/Arachnophilia/Arachnophilia.jar" doesn't seem to be launching it... [05:06] <arbir> I need to do a lot of testing before i host my stuff at a data center [05:06] <bob2> arbir: then you'll need to use apache1 [05:06] <thoreauputic> jake1: most compiled progs put the executable in /usr/local/bin , which is in the default path [05:06] <bob2> black13: are you really using hoary? [05:06] <QMario> Is there a way I can speed up the time Mozilla Firefox takes to load a web page? [05:06] <bob2> Madpilot: that path is never going to be valid [05:07] <bob2> Madpilot: /home/biran/ ... [05:07] <black13> bob2 yes is it bad [05:07] <Madpilot> bob2: what's wrong with it? it's what Nautilus is displaying... ? [05:07] <bimberi> Madpilot: leading / [05:07] <arbir> is gone for dinner [05:08] <jasoncohen> QMario, yes, there is [05:08] <Madpilot> ah, thnx. it works now! [05:08] <Andares> Hmm... [05:08] <QMario> Jasoncohen, how? [05:08] <jasoncohen> QMario, follow these instructions - http://www.techsupportforum.com/computer/topic/48821-1.html [05:08] <Andares> What package name would "libmp.so" be distributed under? [05:08] <jasoncohen> QMario, it can signifigantly reduce page loading time [05:08] <bob2> !+find libmp.so [05:08] <Andares> !find libmp.so [05:09] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'libmp.so' (2 shown): (/usr/lib/libmp.so) in libdevel/libgmp3-dev ;; (/usr/lib/{libmp.so.3|libmp.so.3.1.7}) in libs/libgmp3. [05:09] <Andares> coolies! [05:09] <bob2> there you go [05:09] <jasoncohen> QMario, also, i find the performance of the official firefox build to be faster. It has less dependencies and is a lighter build [05:09] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'libmp.so' (2 shown): (/usr/lib/libmp.so) in libdevel/libgmp3-dev ;; (/usr/lib/{libmp.so.3|libmp.so.3.1.7}) in libs/libgmp3. [05:09] <bob2> note the .so itself is only useful for compiling things [05:09] <jedix> hrm [05:10] <jasoncohen> anyone else notice that the official firefox builds are faster than the ubuntu builds? i only notice this with ubuntu & backport firefox packages- not with debian builds [05:10] <jasoncohen> could be some of the extra features compiled in [05:10] <ray_> can anybody recomend a good cd burning app for gnome that burns iso's and vcd's? [05:10] <Madpilot> ray_: Gnomebaker [05:10] <bob2> ray_: nautilus burns iso images just fine [05:11] <ray_> Maddy, doesnt burn vcd's [05:11] <ray_> Maddy, like k3b [05:11] <AMCDeathKnight> Howw can I get my computer to email me its ip address whenver it changes? [05:11] <jasoncohen> if you need to burn video DVDs or VCDs you're better off with k3b [05:11] <Madpilot> ray_: video CD? never tried, actually... [05:11] <ray_> yeah i will prob end up using k3b [05:11] <jake1> :-\ [05:12] <black13> bob2 crap i have forgoten what is the config that shows the library dependecies [05:12] <bob2> AMCDeathKnight: it'd be easier to install ddclient [05:12] <bob2> black13: ldd [05:12] <black13> yep [05:12] <bob2> tho I think that's not always accurate [05:12] <AMCDeathKnight> whats ddclient? [05:12] <bob2> but I forget how to use objdump [05:12] <bob2> AMCDeathKnight: look at it in synaptic or aptitude [05:12] <QMario> Thank you, jasoncohen! :) [05:13] <AMCDeathKnight> ok [05:13] <zerboxx> what is the command to see keycodes as they're being pressed? [05:13] <thoreauputic> AMCDeathKnight: or do " apt-cache show ddclient [05:13] <jasoncohen> QMario, np, do you notice an improvement? [05:13] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: xev [05:13] <jasoncohen> QMario, try downloading the official firefox build. i bet you'll see an improvement between pages. the ubuntu build seems to "freeze" for a second before switching pages [05:14] <jasoncohen> you'll probably also see an even greater improvement with deerpark alpha 2 [05:14] <AMCDeathKnight> is that like no-ip service? [05:14] <bob2> AMCDeathKnight: sort of [05:15] <Jet2k5> Who in here is using Kubuntu? [05:15] <jake1> ok... how do i launch a program using sudo [05:15] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: Thanks :) [05:15] <pax> Jet2k5: #kubuntu to find out [05:16] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: probably a few - you might find more in #kubuntu [05:16] <drew> is there anyway to make the videos played in MPlayer bigger? I know that windows media player blows them up to 8 times their size, but mplayer just leaves them the way they originally are, is there any way I can make the video bigger? [05:16] <jake1> i am in the right directory [05:16] <jake1> and i cnt figure out how to launch the executable [05:16] <Jet2k5> pax: no they are dead in there [05:16] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: they are dead in there [05:16] <pax> I'm not dead [05:17] <drew3> Hi All, I am interested in xinerama support (2+ monitors) in Kububtu. Is it well suported? I see drew beat me here with "my" name!! (-: [05:17] <thoreauputic> jake1: youdon't launch from the directory - just type 'sudo <command>' from anywhere normally [05:17] <frank> drew change the video output setting [05:17] <thoreauputic> jake1: what are you trying to execute? [05:17] <drew> frank, how do I do this? [05:17] <jake1> thoreauputic it installed to /usr/local/kde/bin [05:18] <jake1> and it is the only file in there [05:18] <frank> drew go in preferences0> video and choose xv [05:18] <jake1> i cded to that directory and typed in [05:18] <thoreauputic> jake1: ah, well type the full path [05:18] <jake1> sudo sh wlassistant [05:18] <jake1> well i am in the directory [05:18] <thoreauputic> you don't need to cd to the dir - just use tab complete to type the path [05:19] <auk> !mountntfs [05:19] <ubotu> auk: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about [05:19] <auk> !mountwindows [05:19] <ubotu> somebody said mountwindows was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions [05:19] <QMario> Jasoncohen, where should I install Mozilla Firefox into? [05:19] <nickrud> drew, you probably want to change /etc/mplayer.conf; change the vo=x11 to vo=xv [05:19] <IIIEars> bob2 - Hi - Had a problem yesterday. Xchat was logged in as root and only appearing intermittantly. each time with a different PID# (41,400 - 41,800) Can only guess it was uber-newber he asked for info on sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and displayed his screen output on my screen. - How do you prepare for something like that? Track a periodic connection? [05:19] <jedix> alright this doom3 problem is really pissing me off. [05:19] <frank> jake1: did you get your thing to compile? [05:19] <|QuaD-> my xlibs in breezy is still broken... good thing i have a laptop! [05:19] <thoreauputic> jake1: then do sudo ./<command> (note the dot slash) [05:19] <|QuaD-> and can use that insteadof this [05:19] <jake1> it says cannot execute binary file... however when i go to that file in KDE i see the app and i click on it [05:19] <nickrud> drew, sorry, it's /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf [05:19] <jake1> it launches [05:19] <jake1> but it says i did not run it as sudo [05:19] <jedix> can someone help me with a segfault of doom3? http://jebus.ca/Linux/doom3.txt [05:19] <jake1> so it will not function properly [05:20] <bimberi> jake1: try leaving out the "sh" [05:20] <jake1> interesting [05:20] <jake1> that working [05:20] <jake1> that worked* [05:20] <jake1> :-\ [05:20] <jake1> no wireless networks found [05:20] <jake1> except that i am on one now [05:20] <jake1> so it should find something [05:20] <thoreauputic> jake1: you'll save a lot of bother if you symlink it into your path [05:21] <bob2> IIIEars: xchat on your machine was running as root? [05:21] <jake1> i hope it supports my airport card [05:21] <bob2> is it airport extreme? [05:21] <jake1> bob2 nope [05:21] <drew> okay thanks, it worked [05:21] <jake1> it's the original [05:21] <frank> jedix: I think graphics is your problem. you will also have to change sound to oss because alsa is not working [05:22] <synd> nalioth: you alive? [05:22] <jedix> frank: alsa works in mplayer, and I've tried removing all drivers and reinstalling them in combinations with no success [05:23] <jasoncohen> QMario, you can install it in /home/firefox-installer [05:23] <jake1> first i need this damn program to pick up networks [05:23] <frank> jedix: what does glxinfo | grep direct give you? I had to use oss for doom3 too even though most things do work with alsa [05:23] <jake1> that would be nice [05:24] <jasoncohen> QMario, it doesn't really matter where you install it- but if it's in /home, only your user can use it which may or may not be a problem [05:24] <jake1> they left me a fucking blank readme file [05:24] <jedix> frank: says "no" [05:24] <jasoncohen> QMario, otherwise you can install it in /opt [05:24] <frank> jedix: then you don't have 3d acceleration [05:24] <jedix> frank: actually [05:25] <jedix> frank: sorry, I'm ssh'ed in and when I actually try it on the box, it says yes [05:25] <frank> jedix: well are you trying to run doom3 ssh'd in???? [05:25] <jedix> but I guess glxinfo is being piped back here [05:26] <jedix> frank: no, I just didn't want to leave my big screen sitting on the desktop [05:26] <QMario> Jasoncohen, how do I uninstall the old firefox? [05:26] <efigyidol> whats the default cron daemon for ubuntu? [05:27] <frank> ok, I don't really know what the problem is though... what is your video card? and what drivers are you using? [05:27] <jedix> I reverted back to the nvidia drivers off thier website [05:27] <jasoncohen> QMario, you don't have to [05:27] <jasoncohen> QMario, they're installed in completely different locations and can co-exist just fine [05:28] <jasoncohen> if you don't see a performance improvement just go back to the ubuntu version. the upgrade process is easier [05:28] <kristen_> i just installed ubuntu; how do you log into root? [05:28] <jedix> it's an amd64 box, with an nvidia card [05:28] <synd> kristen_: you dont need to [05:28] <jedix> fx5700le I think [05:28] <jasoncohen> kristen_, you don't. there is no root account. if you want administrative access use sudo [05:28] <thoreauputic> !root [05:28] <shuveb> kristen_, use sudo [05:28] <ubotu> it has been said that root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [05:28] <synd> kristen_: sudo takes care of all your root needs [05:28] <kristen_> k, thanks [05:29] <frank> jedix: you have the 32bit version of Ubuntu? [05:29] <jedix> frank: no, 64 [05:29] <black13> xauth fails because its failing to load libXauth.so [05:29] <frank> well you can't run doom3 directly like that [05:29] <jedix> frank: why not? [05:29] <frank> jedix: do you have a chroot? [05:30] <frank> jedix: because doom3 is 32 bit [05:30] <jedix> frank: not setup in any way [05:30] <jedix> frank: http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom/#head-9436e887158eec0b0ce52087c9c953561748c5be [05:30] <jedix> I thought that meant it would work [05:30] <f4phantom2500> hi [05:30] <sbatten2> Whats the best ftp server in ubuntu. [05:30] <root__> help me i screwed up my x config im on terminal plz [05:30] <f4phantom2500> i had a quick ? [05:31] <sbatten2> something preferably easy and with a gtk GUI =) [05:31] <benplaut> root__: sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg [05:31] <benplaut> usually works :) [05:31] <f4phantom2500> i need to move some codecs into a directory but i can only do it if im logged it says i dont have the right priveleges or something [05:31] <fr500> wow, ubuntu has awesome bluetooth phone support [05:31] <frank> jedix: either you switch to Ubuntu32 (easy solution) or you set up a 32chroot (a whole 32bit linux inside the 64bit one) [05:31] <sbatten2> i'm looking in synaptic but there are sooo many choices, I've never set up a ftp server in linux, just windows [05:31] <thoreauputic> root__: and don't IRC as root - it's a security risk [05:32] <f4phantom2500> it says i dont have the right priveleges or something* [05:32] <jedix> frank: that sucks :/ [05:32] <f4phantom2500> i think i have to log in as root and do it but idk how [05:32] <frank> jedix: yeah 64bit linux can't run 32bit programs without alot of hand-holding [05:33] <black13> hey guess what i need /sbin/ldconfig [05:33] <jasoncohen> is webmin really considered that bad? i find the ssh & cron job tools pretty good [05:33] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: changing your nick doesn't alter the fact that you are root ;) [05:33] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - I need a pointer on tracking intermittant connections from a co-opted machine. - Can you help? [05:34] <jasoncohen> why can't someone patch webmin in universe to work with sudo? [05:34] <jedix> frank: what's the point of /lib32 then? [05:34] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: I doubt it - I don't know much about that [05:34] <bob2> f4phantom2500: no, you use sudo [05:34] <bob2> f4phantom2500: sudo cp *.dll /usr/lib/win32/ [05:34] <ricosuave17> i know that [05:34] <ricosuave17> but help me plz [05:34] <auk> !rhythymbox mp3 [05:34] <ubotu> auk: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [05:34] <ricosuave17> im deing [05:35] <IIIEars> bob2 - Hi - Had a problem yesterday. Xchat was logged in as root and only appearing intermittantly. each time with a different PID# (41,400 - 41,800) Can only guess it was uber-newber he asked for info on sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and displayed his screen output on my screen. - How do you prepare for something like that? Track a periodic connection? [05:35] <auk> !rhythmbox mp3 [05:35] <ubotu> auk: I give up, what is it? [05:35] <ddave> i [05:35] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: you established that from yesterday? We were talking about it I recall ... [05:35] <auk> !rhythmbox [05:35] <ubotu> auk: I give up, what is it? [05:35] <ricosuave17> i dont know what to do [05:35] <ricosuave17> ito fix my x server [05:35] <auk> !info rhythmbox ? [05:35] <ricosuave17> does someone use irssi in here [05:35] <auk> !info rhythmbox [05:35] <ubotu> rhythmbox: (music player and organizer for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.8.8-7ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 1517 kB, Installed size: 4268 kB [05:35] <auk> ok... [05:35] <frank> jedix: well some of the packages are the 32bit versions of the programs like openoffice. So technically, you might be able to force doom3 to use whats in lib32, but I have no idea how and I think its harder than setting up the chroot [05:35] <IIIEars> bob2 - I need a pointer on tracking intermittant connections from a co-opted machine. - Can you help? [05:35] <auk> !rhythmbox mp3 [05:35] <ubotu> auk: I don't know, could you explain it? [05:35] <auk> !rhythmboxmp3 [05:35] <ubotu> auk: I haven't a clue [05:36] <auk> hmm, anyone else knwo what package you need for rhythmbox to play mp3s? [05:36] <frank> jedix: I used to use Ubuntu64 but I changed to Ubuntu32 because its SO much easier to deal with this kind of thing [05:36] <ricosuave17> will someone plz help me [05:36] <thoreauputic> auk: gstreamer0.8-mad [05:36] <sandis> auk - www.ubuntuguide.org [05:37] <black13> bob2 ldconfig [05:37] <jedix> frank: I don't want to reinstall, I've already finished this game.. just wanted to see how it plays on my 51" hdtv [05:37] <jasoncohen> auk, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad [05:37] <auk> sandis: ... [05:37] <auk> !ubuntuguide [05:37] <ubotu> it has been said that ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why. [05:37] <danielrr> hiall [05:38] <auk> hi [05:38] <danielrr> hi all [05:38] <frank> jedix: Ubuntu64 is fine if you don't want to play games, flash animations or wmv videos and other w32 formats [05:38] <IIIEars> ubotu tell auk about codecs [05:38] <nickrud> auk, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats is meant to be the guide to enabling extra codecs and formats [05:38] <jedix> frank: so that's why wmv doesn't work [05:38] <jedix> must be a fix for this stuff [05:38] <frank> jedix: yeah you can't use w32codecs with 64bit media players [05:39] <danielrr> anyone a expert with ubuntuinstalls [05:39] <auk> thoreaputic, jasoncohen, thanks--it's not for me, i already installed it a while back, but it' sfor a friend, and i couldn't remember the package [05:39] <IIIEars> frank - you can but it is not easy. - chroot etc [05:39] <danielrr> anyone a expert with ubuntu installs [05:39] <ricky_> help me plz [05:39] <bur[n] er> just ask your question danielrr [05:39] <jedix> IIIEars: yeah, read scroll up :) [05:39] <bur[n] er> likewise ricky_ [05:40] <danielrr> well my install keeps halthing when it trys to install gstreamer [05:40] <ricky_> well i killed my xserver its completly dead i even used xfree and switched to xorg plz help me [05:41] <AMCDeathKnight> Hey guys; can someone tell me how to get a gba emulator in ubuntu? [05:42] <rob^> AMCDeathKnight, GNGB or Xmess-X [05:42] <IIIEars> ricky - maybe someone would know if apt-get gnome-desktop or kubuntu-desktop would help. (100+mb d/l) [05:42] <AMCDeathKnight> im in gnome [05:43] <ricky_> yes all i did was try to change my x config everything else is in tact all the gnome and everything [05:43] <rob^> AMCDeathKnight, they are both emulators you could use [05:43] <Randall64> Has anyone actually installed Hoary on amd64? [05:43] <AMCDeathKnight> game boy advance not game bot [05:43] <AMCDeathKnight> *boy [05:44] <Randall64> All it does for me is power the machine down right after booting (after screwing up grub during the install) [05:44] <danielrr> Can anyone help me? [05:44] <rob^> AMCDeathKnight, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-20841.html [05:45] <thoreauputic> danielrr: your question isn't very clear [05:45] <fr500> hello [05:45] <nickrud> danielrr, the only thing that comes to mind, is that your cd burn may be bad. have you checked the md5sum? [05:45] <rob^> heh [05:45] <fr500> can i add entries to the snedto menu? [05:45] <fr500> sendto menu [05:46] <AMCDeathKnight> gnome boy hmm [05:46] <AMCDeathKnight> Can someone just tell me what i have to do [05:46] <rob^> no [05:46] <AMCDeathKnight> im new to linux and dont want to mess around [05:46] <rob^> read that link [05:46] <AMCDeathKnight> I have [05:46] <IIIEars> Randall64 - It is a long shot but parts of #ubuntu are logged on a website. maybe-maybe there is a way to use them by googling the screen names used here. [05:47] <danielrr> Well I got this same error from cd that I got directly from ubuntuas well as with burned copy [05:47] <ricky_> anyone going to help me plz [05:47] <vinux> what's an easy way to change the color in the title bar in gnome? [05:47] <rob^> AMCDeathKnight, sudo apt-get install gnomeboyadvance [05:47] <Styx> How do I get an input plugin so that xine can play DVDs? [05:47] <rob^> easy :) [05:47] <AMCDeathKnight> arh [05:47] <AMCDeathKnight> lol [05:47] <frank> Styx: you probably need libdvdcss2 [05:47] <thoreauputic> !multimedia [05:47] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia [05:48] <IIIEars> xine-ui ?? [05:48] <nickrud> danielrr, then, that is nicely strange, gstreamer is not exaclty an unknown quantity [05:48] <IIIEars> vlc videolan is another very nice player for DVDs [05:48] <AMCDeathKnight> vlc is neat [05:49] <BitterGeek> It seems weird that both a pressed CD and an ISO image yields the same Sig11 with gstreamer. [05:49] <rob^> thoreauputic, that page is such a duplication of effort.. [05:49] <robotgeek> vlc is very nice! [05:49] <IIIEars> crossplatform also. = large developer communitty. [05:49] <danielrr> nickrud any sujestions [05:49] <BitterGeek> vlc needs more interface work. too hackish [05:49] <nickrud> gstreamer hasn't been a problem here, so BitterGeek , danielrr I [05:49] <nickrud> 'm not sure [05:50] <linlin> Can someone please explain what this guy means? I dont fully understand the terminology: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=235185&postcount=13 [05:50] <bur[n] er> totem is a great video player... now where's a good audio player :\ [05:50] <bur[n] er> bmp needs work [05:50] <rob^> bur[n] er, bmp [05:50] <bur[n] er> ;) [05:50] <rob^> bur[n] er, bmp is fine, you just have to add plugins [05:50] <sandis> so i wrote this small c++ program and successfully built it. when i run it console claims that there is segmentation fault 11. what a hack? [05:50] <Styx> I have xine-ui and libdvdcss2 [05:50] <bob2> IIIEars: on irc? I don't understand your question [05:50] <bur[n] er> rob^: plugins arent' in ubuntu :\ [05:50] <bob2> sandis: it means your program is buggy [05:51] <rob^> bur[n] er, so? [05:51] <Madpilot> bur[n] er: Muine, if you're playing albums [05:51] <sandis> bob2: memory was ok [05:51] <BitterGeek> linlin: sounds like the guy was trying to get mythtv working w/ ubuntu? [05:51] <linlin> yes [05:51] <danielrr> is there away that I could have gstreamernobeinstalled? [05:51] <bob2> sandis: well, either it's buggy or you have bad ram [05:51] <sandis> and what do you mean by buggy? [05:51] <AMCDeathKnight> ok i have gnomeboy thing [05:51] <bob2> danielrr: sure, by removing most of gnome. [05:51] <bur[n] er> rob^: takes a bit to compile a plugin and make it work :\ [05:51] <AMCDeathKnight> but it wont get my games [05:51] <bob2> danielrr: why would you not want it? [05:51] <bur[n] er> not exactly 'easy' [05:51] <sandis> bob2: it compiled well [05:51] <bob2> sandis: it's using memory incorrectly [05:51] <rob^> bur[n] er, I just complied the wma plugin for it, took me all of about 2 minutes [05:51] <bob2> sandis: yes, C++ can't check those sort of things at compile time [05:51] <bob2> generally [05:52] <BitterGeek> Something's up with your hardware then, danielrr [05:52] <bob2> sandis: put your code on the web somewhere [05:52] <danielrr> is there away that I could have gstreamer not bei nstalled? [05:52] <linlin> but everyone else in the thread is having the same problem, and he says his worked fine by doing whatever he did, but i dont know what he did [05:52] <bur[n] er> rob^: compile crossfade, tray icon, and media library for me and make a .deb ;) [05:52] <rob^> bur[n] er, heh [05:52] <sandis> ok, give me a minute [05:52] <bob2> danielrr: why do you want to get rid of it? [05:52] <BitterGeek> Most linux apps don't sig11 unless there's bad hardware or something. [05:52] <danielrr> is there away that I could have gstreamer not bei nstalled? [05:52] <bur[n] er> i really have tried, i just can't get through all the hassles of the ./configure [05:52] <rob^> bur[n] er, I might add a guide to the wiki, how about that? [05:52] <bob2> danielrr: ignoring people trying to help you seems kinda dumb [05:52] <bur[n] er> rob^: i'd dig it :) [05:53] <bur[n] er> rob^: though according to bmp website, things are changing as they go to gstreamer [05:53] <Randall64> IIIEars: Debian/sarge isn't too bad, but no multilib (32-bit) support. [05:54] <bob2> that's multi-arch [05:54] <rob^> bur[n] er, I'll check it out [05:54] <danielrr> bob2 because it is haulting installation [05:54] <FaRoFa_hC> I request my cd of ubuntu in ship-it... Are 2 months to send my CD???? [05:54] <bob2> and it depends what you mean; it does have ia32-libs [05:54] <bob2> FaRoFa_hC: has it shipped yet? [05:54] <bob2> danielrr: on hoary? [05:54] <Randall64> bob2: I mean what fedora does. [05:54] <IIIEars> patiently taking notes - ;) [05:54] <Kovecses> debian doesnt have xorg right? [05:54] <FaRoFa_hC> bob2 hoary [05:54] <bob2> Kovecses: sure it does [05:54] <Randall64> Kovecses: It does now. [05:55] <bob2> FaRoFa_hC: logon to shipit.ubuntu.com and see if it has shipped yet then [05:55] <Randall64> Now to make Hoary bug reports. [05:55] <Kovecses> bob2, what? [05:55] <linlin> what does "I took the mythtv line out of hte sources.list and just left it with the multiverse edit" mean? [05:55] <Kovecses> bob2, sarge does? [05:55] <bur[n] er> rob^: let me know if you make something :) i'd really be interested, i love winamp... miss it mucho [05:55] <bob2> Kovecses: "yes, it does have x.org" [05:55] <danielrr> bob2 on ubuntu 5.04 x86 [05:55] <IIIEars> not only free but tracked to your door? - nice. [05:55] <bob2> Kovecses: no, sarge does not [05:55] <Kovecses> bob2, etch? [05:55] <rob^> bur[n] er, will do, there will be something in breezy also [05:55] <bob2> danielrr: that's very weird, are you sure your cd is ok? [05:55] <sandis> bob2: www.tume.lv/uzd2.tar.gz [05:56] <bur[n] er> rob^: what will be in breezy? [05:56] <sbatten2> Whats the best ftp server in ubuntu? Somethin easy and hopefully with a GUI would be wonderful [05:56] <bob2> Kovecses: not yet, some core debian macines have been in transit [05:56] <sandis> bob2: its console project in anjuta [05:56] <Kovecses> bob2, so? ......... i would have to install and then add the sid repo's [05:56] <rob^> bur[n] er, I'm adding BMP to the official FAQ, along with how to install plugins for it [05:56] <arcanistherogue> hey, has anyone here installed UT2004 on linux? [05:56] <bob2> sbatten2: anything doing ftp will be kinda arse, but vsftpd is one of the least bad [05:56] <bob2> Kovecses: no, you'd wait for it to hit etch, if that's what you want [05:57] <rob^> bur[n] er, but I'll make a copy for Horay and put it on the wiki [05:57] <bob2> Kovecses: or use the sarge backport of it or ... [05:57] <bur[n] er> rob^: very cool :) [05:57] <sbatten2> bob2: thanks =) [05:57] <Kovecses> bob2, yeah ok.... i will just wait [05:57] <bob2> sandis: er, more than a trivial, program, ask #c++ [05:57] <bob2> sandis: valgrind and gdb will be your friends, tho [05:57] <rob^> bur[n] er, yes, that will happen :) [05:57] <Styx> Fixed it, thanks for your help :) [05:57] <bob2> and just not using C constructs like malloc at all [05:57] <danielrr> BOb2 I tried 4 copies that I got from Ubuntu plus a copy I downloaded fromy there site [05:58] <sandis> bob2: no, its simple - 1 class only [05:58] <arcanistherogue> anyone know how to install unreal tournament 2004? [05:58] <bob2> sandis: why on earth is it a 500KB tarball then? [05:58] <vinux> arcanistherogue, maybe [05:58] <bob2> arcanistherogue: google found no guides at all? [05:58] <bob2> danielrr: and did you check any of them? [05:58] <sandis> bob2: makefiles and so [05:58] <arcanistherogue> bob2: yeah, i couldn't find anything about hte problem im having [05:58] <arcanistherogue> but i didnt really look to hard [05:58] <bob2> anjuta is broken then [05:59] <Randall64> Look at that! Ubuntu actually knows display's native resolution! [05:59] <vinux> arcanistherogue, hte? [05:59] <delltony> anyone now of a good chm reader for linux? i have tried xchm but the chm file i have for some reason is not readable with xchm [05:59] <arcanistherogue> vinux: V_V the [05:59] <vinux> arcanistherogue, what's the problem? [05:59] <arcanistherogue> well, when i install it says to insert CD 2, but even when its in it doesnt read it [06:00] <bob2> sandis: works here [06:00] <vinux> arcanistherogue, what do you mean by doesn't read it? Does the window that pops up that says mount disk 2 go away? [06:00] <WaX> how is everyone tonight [06:01] <arcanistherogue> no, i just keep hitting "yes" and it wont accept. [06:01] <WaX> What are you thought on Ubuntu? [06:01] <vinux> arcanistherogue, ah yes I had this problem [06:01] <bob2> sandis: anyway, run it under valgrind and gdb, and try #c++ [06:01] <frank> arcanistherogue: what if you mount the disks manually as you go? [06:01] <arcanistherogue> vinux: whats the solution? [06:01] <bob2> sandis: assuming you're sure your memroy is ok [06:01] <bur[n] er> WaX: ? [06:01] <Randall64> I think I'd like the installer to get grub right. [06:01] <arcanistherogue> let me try that [06:01] <WaX> burner [06:01] <bob2> Randall64: if it did something wrong, please file a bug [06:01] <sandis> memtest was ok [06:02] <Kovecses> who here uses gnome? [06:02] <Randall64> bob2: I am, I am [06:02] <arcanistherogue> not me [06:02] <bur[n] er> thoughts on ubuntu.... it's great :) [06:02] <vinux> arcanistherogue, thinking. hmm let me see what was it. ok do you have to cd or dvd roms? [06:02] <arcanistherogue> cd [06:02] <arcanistherogue> oh i got it working [06:02] <WaX> Have you tried alot of distros [06:02] <arcanistherogue> mounting them manually [06:02] <arcanistherogue> that works [06:02] <Kovecses> bur[n] er, u like ubuntu? [06:02] <vinux> arcanistherogue, woot yes I was going to say that :) [06:02] <Kovecses> bur[n] er, what were you using before? [06:02] <sandis> bob2: thanx anyway [06:02] <sbatten2> ok, i'm looking through the man pages for vsftpd, but I can't find where I set which directory I want to be the ftp directory :( [06:02] <bob2> WaX: ##linux might be a better place to ask [06:02] <thechristelegacy> hey, I read in the Ubuntu doc that this is the place to come for help. Does anyone in here use a Dell Dimension desktop with dial-up with ubuntu ? [06:02] <vinux> arcanistherogue, I use gnome :) [06:03] <bob2> thechristelegacy: it's way better to ask your whole question up front [06:03] <arcanistherogue> my kde looks real nice though :D [06:03] <bob2> your problem is unlikely to be dell-dimension- or ubuntu-specific [06:03] <BitterGeek> Dell? Don't tell me it has a winmodem inside. [06:03] <bur[n] er> slackware -> redhat -> mandrake -> JBLinux -> Slackware -> Morphix ->Debian -> Ubuntu [06:03] <sandis> bob2: couldn it be bug in gcc/autotools or anything? [06:03] <bob2> sandis: highly unlikely [06:03] <bur[n] er> and i've tried a couple other distros along the way [06:03] <bur[n] er> fedora here and there [06:03] <frank> bur[n] er: thats quite a journey! [06:03] <bob2> sandis: run it under valgrind and it will show you what went wrong [06:03] <sbatten2> there is anon_root, but I'm not sure if thats gonna let people go up in the tree which would be bad [06:03] <WaX> Why im curius about Ubuntu? i have tried alot of distros and wondering why this is so popular so quick? [06:03] <sandis> ok, thanx [06:03] <bur[n] er> WaX: apt rules the world [06:04] <arcanistherogue> i know :D [06:04] <BitterGeek> thechristelegacy: Is there a windows-only modem in that Dell? [06:04] <bur[n] er> things are simple and "just work" for the most part [06:04] <WaX> yes i agree apt is nice [06:04] <bob2> WaX: try it and see then [06:04] <bob2> this isn't an advocacy channel [06:04] <Kovecses> i thought i would never use anything but debian......i just couldnt help it ubuntu is just to damn good [06:04] <arcanistherogue> Kubuntu right here :D [06:04] <vinux> bur[n] er, hey I like slack alot but ubuntu comes first place with apt-get [06:04] <bur[n] er> ;) [06:04] <thechristelegacy> thanks for the advice bob2 :) My problem is that when I try to connect to the internet, well I simply can't, I have no idea where to go to get onto the internet. There is nothing in the internet tab for it. The one area I found was administration/networking, but it couldnt detect the modem, but I have no idea how to figure out what the moden is, if it is a winmodem, or not, or if that even is the problem [06:04] <WaX> I plan too, is anyone running kde ? [06:05] <arcanistherogue> I am! [06:05] <bob2> thechristelegacy: is it an internal modem? [06:05] <thoreauputic> *g* [06:05] <thechristelegacy> bob2: yes [06:05] <WaX> running ok? [06:05] <arcanistherogue> yeah [06:05] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: is that allowed? ;) [06:05] <sbatten2> anyone here familiar with vsftp? [06:05] <arcanistherogue> its running great [06:05] <bob2> thechristelegacy: it's unlikely to be a proper modem then [06:05] <ilba7r> is there a program i need to download to associate certain type of files .lyx with certain program lyx in gnome [06:05] <WaX> I cant really stand gnome [06:05] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: oops [06:05] <thoreauputic> ;) [06:05] <bob2> thechristelegacy: does google say anything about your hardware and linux? [06:05] <Kovecses> WaX, you use kde [06:05] <Kovecses> ? [06:05] <bob2> sbatten2: #vsftp or #vsftpd might be a better place to ask [06:06] <BitterGeek> thechristelegacy: Did the modem come with the Dell? [06:06] <thechristelegacy> BitterGeek: Yes [06:06] <thechristelegacy> bob2: I'll search google right now [06:06] <WaX> currently on fedora... but I will on Ubuntu when I run it [06:06] <BitterGeek> 9 outta 10 it's a winmodem since they're the cheapest to put into a PC. [06:06] <bob2> yeah [06:06] <Madpilot> bob2: is vsftpd a GUI or CLI ftp client? [06:06] <bob2> which will be a pain [06:07] <bob2> Madpilot: it's a ftp server [06:07] <Kovecses> i like kde but i find it buggy [06:07] <bob2> I hope there are no ftp servers with guis on linux [06:07] <frank> Kovecses: the latest version of kde is much less buggy [06:07] <hybrid_goth> bob2:? [06:07] <ilba7r> is there a program i need to download to associate certain type of files .lyx with certain program lyx in gnome [06:07] <calc> vsftpd isn't a client [06:07] <Madpilot> bob2: ah, ok. thought it was a client. gFTP desperately needs a replacement... [06:07] <WaX> Kovecses, yeah it has its issues but lately i have had little problems [06:07] <bob2> Madpilot: nautilus doesn't work for you? [06:07] <bob2> hybrid_goth: hm? [06:07] <Kovecses> frank, 3.4.1.......... [06:07] <ilba7r> sorry i was disconnected for a while [06:07] <BitterGeek> You have two options: Find out if you can get winmodem support working for that modem. Or buy a new modem that works with Linux. [06:07] <frank> Kovesces 3.4.2 is out [06:07] <calc> lftp is a nice ftp client [06:07] <Kovecses> frank, is that what you use? [06:07] <hybrid_goth> bob2: why would you care if the ftp is gui or not [06:07] <WaX> tho i dont do as much tinkering as i used to [06:08] <Madpilot> bob2: not always. plus it has limitations - no CHMOD ability for starters [06:08] <bob2> hybrid_goth: because ftp servers ru nas root [06:08] <frank> Kovecses: since this morning, yeah [06:08] <hybrid_goth> ah [06:08] <Kovecses> frank, is 3.4.2 in any repos yet? [06:08] <bob2> root + gui = stupid [06:08] <hybrid_goth> lol [06:08] <Kovecses> bob2, well said [06:08] <bob2> hybrid_goth: I don't have a problem with gui config tools that twiddle the config files [06:08] <frank> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php [06:08] <Kovecses> frank, thanks [06:09] <BitterGeek> thechristelegacy? Did you get read the stuff about needing a new modem or hacking the modem in the Dell to work with Ubuntu? [06:09] <evilyoda> I can't remember the fix for the problem where X can't find the 'fixed' font - it's under breezy and I've had it working before [06:10] <WaX> This distro is #1 on distrowatch, was wondering why it is so popular as opposed to other distros [06:10] <WaX> Ease? [06:10] <bob2> WaX: try it and see [06:10] <hybrid_goth> ease of use [06:10] <hybrid_goth> power [06:10] <hybrid_goth> apt [06:10] <hybrid_goth> many many more [06:10] <Kovecses> frank, getting kde3.4.2 ..... should i get kubuntu-desktop or kde? [06:10] <ilba7r> wax best support non broken repos you name it [06:10] <thechristelegacy> BitterGeek: No I didn't is it on the install documentation on the CD? [06:10] <WaX> thanks [06:11] <frank> Kovecses: I just updated (smart update in synaptic) [06:11] <Kovecses> frank, im using gnome though [06:11] <frank> Kovecses: It will install a few new things like noatun and others [06:11] <frank> Kovecses: oh. [06:12] <frank> Kovecses: Well did you want all of kde? for that get kubuntu-dektop [06:12] <Kovecses> im gonna go with straight kde [06:12] <WaX> Thanks for the info fellas [06:12] <WaX> have a great night [06:12] <BitterGeek> thechristelegacy: Try to locate your modem on this list. http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/index.php?cat=121 [06:13] <thechristelegacy> thanks BitterGeek, give me a few minutes and I'll report back :) [06:14] <Kovecses> now is there a way to completely remove kde if i dont like it? [06:14] <dcgarri> I've been using Ubuntu for one hour. This is my first attempt at Linux. How to I install an rpm file? [06:14] <Kovecses> dcgarri, well [06:14] <hybrid_goth> dcgarri: ubuntu doesnt use rpm [06:14] <Kovecses> dcgarri, ubuntu is not an rpm distro [06:14] <hybrid_goth> if you can get the .deb [06:15] <thoreauputic> !synaptic [06:15] <ubotu> it has been said that synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto [06:15] <Kovecses> dcgarri, but you can use alien debfile to create a deb [06:15] <Madpilot> or install from the repos via Synaptic [06:15] <evilyoda> will somebody tell me how I can get X working under breezy - keeps saying it can't use the 'fixed' font [06:15] <thoreauputic> dcgarri: read the URL ubotu just spat out [06:15] <hybrid_goth> Kovecses: it is best to try to get the deb first [06:15] <Kovecses> hybrid_goth, yes [06:15] <jasmuz> evilyoda: why dont you read in the forums [06:15] <BitterGeek> thechristelegacy: Winmodems are the work of Satan. They will cause more grief (flaky connections on bad phone lines, stability issues, etc). Foolish greedy PC makers trying to cut corners! [06:15] <dcgarri> thank you much... I was wanting to install limewire, but the format was rpm... unless you guys recommend a better p2p [06:16] <hybrid_goth> alien = still expiremental [06:16] <Kovecses> why would you use breezy/ [06:16] <Kovecses> ? [06:16] <hybrid_goth> dcgarri: bittorrent [06:16] <Kovecses> hybrid_goth, alien works great for me [06:16] <jasmuz> dcgarri: gtk-gnutella [06:16] <bob2> Kovecses: if you install it with aptitude, just remving kubuntu-desktop will get rid of it [06:17] <dcgarri> thanks! [06:17] <hybrid_goth> Kovecses: but if you look at debian.org it will *always* be expirememntal [06:17] <hybrid_goth> alien that is [06:17] <nothingsometing> can someone point me to a forum that is for dummies trying to start samba ............or prehaps something on how to swt up SWAT to where i can use it to configure samba. [06:17] <Kovecses> bob2, yeah but i just got kde...not kubuntu-desktop......oops [06:17] <nothingsometing> SET* [06:17] <bob2> Kovecses: same deal, remove kde then [06:17] <dcgarri> oh yes, one more extension question... .run files? [06:18] <bob2> nothingsometing: it didn't start by default? [06:18] <hybrid_goth> nothingsometingL what so you wanna do exactly [06:18] <Kovecses> bob2, how dpkg -r kde? [06:18] <bob2> dcgarri: the file will have instructions [06:18] <bob2> Kovecses: no [06:18] <bob2> Kovecses: did you use aptitude to install it? [06:18] <dcgarri> thanks [06:18] <nothingsometing> actually it did start but i can't acess it from windows [06:18] <Kovecses> bob2, yeah [06:18] <bob2> Kovecses: then remove it with aptitude [06:18] <bob2> Kovecses: _ on the kde package [06:18] <bob2> nothingsometing: did you set the correct work group? [06:18] <Kovecses> bob2, this might sound dumb but i dont know how [06:19] <bob2> _ [06:19] <thechristelegacy> BitterGeek: Yeah, I read that they're software based and used drivers that come with the OS [06:19] <Kovecses> sudo apt-get remove? [06:19] <bob2> Kovecses: dude, no [06:19] <thoreauputic> Kovecses: use aptitude [06:19] <nothingsometing> i wold rather set the work group in SWAT than the .config file [06:19] <bob2> Kovecses: run aptitude. select the kde package. hit _ [06:19] <DukGalNamu> anyone know where i can find a list of prism based wifi cards? [06:20] <nothingsometing> it's more GUI if you know what i mean [06:20] <levander> Do bugs filed in the ubuntu bugzilla usually get responded to? [06:20] <bur[n] er> how come when I made a "connect to server" link on my desktop for an ftp site, my PC wants to use firefox instead of nautilus? [06:20] <bob2> DukGalNamu: usually easier to google for your card and "linux" [06:20] <Kovecses> bob2, ok..........i used apt to get kde [06:20] <bob2> levander: yes, but if you just filed it, expect to wait [06:20] <bob2> Kovecses: so, when I said "did you use aptitude to install it?", what did you mean by "yeah"? [06:20] <nothingsometing> and yes it is on the right workgroup [06:20] <DukGalNamu> bob2: i am an oem, so i end up haveing several hundred cards to choose from in the 15-60 [06:21] <Kovecses> bob2, sorry man i thought apt was short for aptitude [06:21] <DukGalNamu> dollar range [06:21] <linlin> i need to install "qt" how do i do such? [06:21] <bob2> Kovecses: then it's not simple to remove it [06:21] <levander> bob2: i haven't filed yet, i realize it's probably not exact, but, wait a week, wait a month? there's a general idea of how long it takes to get to those? [06:21] <bob2> linlin: sudo aptitude install libqt3-mt [06:21] <bob2> linlin: week [06:21] <bob2> levander: week [06:21] <linlin> that was fast :) thanks [06:21] <levander> bob2: oh, that's really pretty good [06:21] <bob2> Kovecses: use aptitude in future, and try using debfoster for now [06:21] <ntom> hey, anyone know whether u need an extra plugin to get sound to work on VLC? [06:21] <nothingsometing> i just don't have any users set up to be able to log into samba from my laptop(windows xp) because it needs authenication [06:21] <bob2> DukGalNamu: your suppliers can't tell you that sort of thing? [06:21] <Kovecses> bob2, ok/// [06:21] <thechristelegacy> BitterGeek: I did find that modem on the list, it's an Intel 537EP V9x DF PCI modem [06:21] <levander> bob2: can I file bugs for packages in universe in there? [06:22] <DukGalNamu> most don't [06:22] <bob2> levander: no, use launchpad.ubuntu.com [06:22] <dcgarri> bob2, when i attempt to execute the ".run" file, I get a message in gedit saying that the character coding could not be detected [06:22] <nothingsometing> am i right bob2 [06:22] <DukGalNamu> bob2: and even if they did, the makers can change the chipset on you [06:22] <DukGalNamu> bob2: and frequently do [06:22] <bob2> nothingsometing: enable anonymous sharing then [06:22] <BitterGeek> Hmmm. [06:22] <bob2> DukGalNamu: tha'ts kinda crap :/ [06:22] <bob2> anyway, lunch [06:22] <ntom> hey, anyone know whether u need an extra plugin to get sound to work on VLC??? [06:22] <nothingsometing> bob2 if i could do that i could probbally create users right? [06:22] <DukGalNamu> bob2: is there a list anywhere? [06:22] <nothingsometing> or wrong [06:23] <evilyoda> q [06:23] <BitterGeek> thechristelegacy: Winmodem! [06:23] <dcgarri> ok, bobs gone... can anyone inform me as to how I would open a .run file? I'm trying to update ATI drivers [06:23] <rob^> dcgarri, you need to chmod +x the file [06:23] <rob^> then do ./filename [06:23] <Burgundavia> dcgarri, the ati driver info can be found here --> wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto [06:23] <thechristelegacy> BitterGeek: Yeah, I'm going to google for drivers [06:24] <nothingsometing> bob2: i tought that windows xp demanded authenication [06:24] <dcgarri> thank you [06:24] <frank> dcgarri: sh filename.run [06:24] <delltony> is there a recommended chm viewer for linux? i have tried xchm but having issues with it (not reading file) [06:24] <Burgundavia> rob^, recommend the existing apt method before that one [06:24] <BitterGeek> thechristelegacy: they may not be in Ubuntu. If you're desperate, you may have to build your own kernel. [06:24] <rob^> Burgundavia, yeah, I didnt read what he needed it for, all he asked was how to run a .run file :) [06:25] <Burgundavia> rob^, yes, usually you need to read past the first question [06:25] <nothingsometing> bob2 or someone where is the config file that lets me create groups and users and permisions [06:25] <rob^> Burgundavia, right.. [06:25] <Kovecses> u guys are so touchy relax [06:25] <nothingsometing> is that still the same config file [06:25] <thechristelegacy> BitterGeek: Lol, I can't even build hello world yet, if I were to happen to find a driver online, burn it to a diskm can you install drivers without recompiling the kernel? [06:25] <zerboxx> For some reason, after amsn has been up for a while, it just freezes, I can't get rid of the windows, and I've tried killing it (-9) and nothing. Anyone have an idea on how to fix this? [06:26] <gparent> Hey. [06:26] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: sudo pkill amsn ? [06:26] <BitterGeek> thechristelegacy: You can but it's rather technical [06:27] <gparent> Anybody has the error message "Message could not be sent because an error with the switchboard occurred:" [06:27] <gparent> When talking on msn [06:27] <thechristelegacy> Bitter [06:27] <thechristelegacy> BitterGeek: Well I'm up for the challenge I supose [06:27] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: That didn't get rid of the windows, but I'd also like to stop it from freezing in the first place [06:27] <levander> It really surprises me how few people are using dvd-rw's with ubuntu [06:28] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: sure - that would be nice ;) [06:28] <levander> cause i'm starting to think udftools just doesn't work in ubuntu [06:28] <danielrr> if I still have a problem w/ install could I bypass installling gstreamer? [06:28] <Kovecses> levander, if i had some i would use them [06:28] <Slipjack> Okay, I installed XviD and w32codecs and still can't watch encoded videos! [06:28] <frank> levander: I never tried to use one [06:28] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: try xkill to zap the windowwith your mouse [06:28] <mike> yo [06:28] <anomaly> I figure I can try ubuntu on this old test box.. 400mhz/128mb ram. should be fast enough for basic things. [06:28] <Kovecses> yeah xkill is good [06:28] <BitterGeek> thechristelegacy: Is $60 cheaper than you time and sanity. If so, better to buy a new modem that is not a softmodem. [06:28] <mike> anybody know how to make eterm transparent on your background with kubuntu? [06:28] <ricosuave17> u dudes r no help [06:29] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: xkill did the trick, thanks [06:29] <regeya> here's what I recommend for totem users: gstreamer is still under development, give totem-xine a try. [06:29] <levander> well, don't go and buy a dvdrw drive expecting to use it with ubuntu, cause i'm really starting to think that the udftools package just doesn't work [06:29] <frank> Slipjack: what kind? [06:29] <thechristelegacy> BitterGeek: Thanks for the advice, I may just go that route [06:29] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: satisfying isn't it? I like zapping stuff with xkill (not that I've needed to lately ) [06:29] <Slipjack> frank: Mostly XviD backups of my DVDs. [06:30] <frank> try with vlc? [06:30] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: *sigh* I see now that when this happens I'll have to do a reboot to get amsn back up. May have to switch to gaim *cringe* [06:30] <ricosuave17> anyone wanan help plz [06:30] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: as to the freezing, I don't know [06:30] <Slipjack> frank: Not yet. I've heard about it. I'll google it. [06:30] <bob2> ricosuave17: a less terrible attitude would probably help [06:30] <frank> Slipjack: don't google install with synaptic [06:30] <ubuntu> nalioth hello [06:30] <frank> Slipjack: install everything with synaptic [06:31] <jasoncohen> zerboxx, are you sure you completely killed amsn? [06:31] <bob2> nothingsometing: just use an anonymouse share... /etc/samba/smb.conf explains how [06:31] <jasoncohen> zerboxx, ps -ax | grep amsn [06:31] <nalioth> ubuntu: hello [06:31] <mike> anyone here know how to make eterm transparent on your background on kubuntu? [06:31] <Slipjack> frank: The default repositories don't cover much. Have any good ones? [06:31] <zerboxx> jasoncohen: What should I or shouldn't I see? [06:31] <ubuntu> now in room 218 [06:31] <jasoncohen> zerboxx, well, if you killed amsn you should see nothing but grep amsn [06:31] <ricosuave17> well dudes why not u listen to me. just tell me how to fix my screen size. im on serial console [06:31] <ubuntu> very strong connection [06:31] <frank> Slipjack: do you have universe, multiverse and backports enabled? [06:31] <ubuntu> wired [06:31] <nalioth> ubuntu join ##apple please [06:31] <bob2> ricosuave17: perhaps no one knows [06:31] <frank> Slipjack: how did you install w32codecs [06:32] <ubuntu> ##apple [06:32] <bob2> ricosuave17: or perhaps you haven't explained the problem very well [06:32] <zerboxx> jasoncohen: mind if I open a dialog box, so I don't spam in here? [06:32] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: I seem to recall there's a terminal/ cli app that does msn (can't remember the name atm) [06:32] <ricosuave17> then what is there for me to do [06:32] <Slipjack> frank: .deb package :) [06:32] <bob2> ricosuave17: ask a single coherent question [06:32] <bob2> ricosuave17: on a single line [06:32] <Slipjack> frank: Don't know about universe, multiverse, backports... been away from Linux for a while. [06:32] <bob2> ricosuave17: explaining what isn't working, what you'vew tried, and how you got into this mess to begin with [06:32] <frank> Slipjack: ill send you my source.list if you want? [06:32] <ricosuave17> ok right now im stuck on real console. all i need is to fix my resolution size. how do i do this without gnome [06:32] <Madpilot> !repos [06:32] <ubotu> methinks repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [06:33] <Slipjack> frank: Sure! That would help a lot. [06:33] <bob2> ricosuave17: no, explain what on earth "resolution size" means, and how you broke it to begin wit [06:33] <ricosuave17> i tried to make my resolution bigger. u do know what resolution is right? [06:33] <danielrr> .install halted again because og gstreamer [06:33] <levander> If it's any consolation, the guys in #fedora are ignoring udftools questions too. Maybe that distribution is no better off than we are. [06:33] <Slipjack> frank: Thanks. [06:33] <bob2> ricosuave17: yes, imply I'm an idiot, that will encourage me to help you [06:34] <bob2> levander: "ignoring" is a silly way to put it [06:34] <bob2> ricosuave17: restore your backup X config file [06:34] <frank> Slipjack: uncomment backports to get access to what is in them. w32codecs is there for example [06:34] <ricosuave17> i killed it [06:34] <bob2> ricosuave17: you did back it up before editing it, right? [06:34] <BitterGeek> Yikes, danielrr! [06:34] <ricosuave17> nop [06:34] <levander> bob2: true, i wasn't ignored in this channel [06:34] <bob2> ricosuave17: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xorg ; sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg [06:34] <BitterGeek> Chipset issues? [06:34] <bob2> ricosuave17: and don't be so silly in future [06:34] <levander> just frustrated cause i can't get this seemingly easy thing to work [06:35] <frank> Slipjack: oh and comment out debian unstable! It's usually commented for me [06:35] <Slipjack> frank: Okay. And this is to be put in my /usr/apt dir? [06:35] <ricosuave17> bob2: what will that command do becuase i just reinstalled xorg [06:35] <bob2> ricosuave17: you reinstalled it incorrectly [06:35] <frank> Slipjack: it goes in /etc/apt/ [06:36] <BitterGeek> danielrr: your PC used to freeze when it was running Fedora RC4. There must be some sort of harware problem. [06:36] <ricosuave17> nop [06:36] <ray_> now running kde 3.4.2 [06:36] <bob2> ricosuave17: in future, do not touch config files until you have a backup [06:36] <bob2> ricosuave17: yes, you did, sorry [06:36] <bob2> ricosuave17: read the dpkg man page to find out what -P does [06:36] <Slipjack> frank: Thanks. Never had something as powerful as Synaptic. I have my Linux+ cert but I haven't used Linux in like a year. You're a big help right now [06:36] <ricosuave17> alright but the thing is all i want cause everything is fine is to make my resolution bigger but it only detected 800*600 on my video card [06:37] <nothingsometing> bob2: i found the smb.config document b4 loging on but i thought that that was the actual config file for samba if that isn't then what is the file that i would actualy need to edit in a word processor, it soulds like you are saying th smb.conf file is more like a refrance than a editing document or am i still cnfused? [06:37] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: funnily enough, bob2 tends to know wtf he's talking about [06:37] <bob2> leet speak is annoying [06:37] <flyingsolo> can someone tell me how to install Java and Limewire on my comp. im 100% new to linux [06:37] <BitterGeek> lolz d00d :-) [06:37] <bob2> nothingsometing: /etc/samba/smb.conf is the config file, iirc [06:37] <ricosuave17> i know but im just trying to know what is going to happen so i can knoe if i already tried that [06:37] <bob2> all my machines with samba are offline, unfortunately [06:38] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: he wants you to "purge" what you have before reinstalling it [06:38] <ricosuave17> ok. thanks thoreauputic [06:38] <nothingsometing> bob2: it will also tell me how to edit itself properly? [06:38] <ricosuave17> bob2: can i get that plz becuase i have no screen buffer [06:38] <bob2> ricosuave17: yes you do, hit scroll up [06:38] <bob2> nothingsometing: yes [06:39] <danielrr> can any one tell me if there isb a way to bypass installing gstreamer durining installation of ubuntu? [06:39] <jasoncohen> shouldn't "gdb gaim" run gaim and show output in gdb? [06:39] <ricosuave17> nop im on irssi and on real console [06:39] <bob2> nothingsometing: just copy one of the blocks at the bottom (like the cdrom one) and edit it [06:39] <bob2> ricosuave17: then page up will work fine [06:39] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: bob2 ricosuave17: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xorg ; sudo aptitude [06:39] <bob2> danielrr: no, sorry [06:39] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: sorry that isn't complete [06:39] <bob2> danielrr: it sounds very much like your cd or computer are broken [06:39] <bob2> jasoncohen: no [06:39] <bob2> jasoncohen: you need to give it the run command [06:40] <ricosuave17> ok. ill do that [06:40] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: bob2 ricosuave17: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xorg ; sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg [06:40] <bob2> jasoncohen: but it wont be much use, gaim in ubuntu has no debugging symbols [06:40] <jasoncohen> zerboxx wants to use it for amsn [06:40] <Dakel> I can't get the google.com name to resolve, although the IP address works and all other URLs work. Anyone else with this problem? [06:40] <jasoncohen> but gdb amsn doesn't work [06:40] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: BTW page-up to scroll back in irssi [06:40] <danielrr> well cd and computer works both for fedora core 4 and suse bob2 [06:41] <bob2> jasoncohen: amsn is written in tcl [06:41] <frank> Dakel: maybe they are having problems [06:41] <jasoncohen> bob2, so, what should zerboxx use to debug it? [06:42] <bob2> jasoncohen: I wouldn't bother [06:42] <jasoncohen> ok [06:42] <bob2> jasoncohen: and it depends a lot on what the bug is [06:42] <Dakel> frank: It worked at the office (WinXP) and at home (Win98), but not Firefox in Ubuntu. I can ping it, though. [06:42] <bob2> if the tcl interpreter is crashing, you could gdb that [06:42] <jasoncohen> he says it crashes for no apparent reason while he's typing [06:42] <bob2> just file a bug then [06:43] <bob2> unless you know tcl already [06:43] <Dakel> frank: It's been this way just a few days. [06:43] <jasoncohen> bob2, ok, i told him to file a bug [06:43] <ricosuave17> bob2 it seems to stil have xfree86 somewere in the memory [06:43] <bob2> ricosuave17: awesome [06:43] <bob2> but unrelated [06:44] <AMCDeathKnight> Who knows away to run Activeworlds in ubuntu? [06:44] <zerboxx> bob2: I will file a bug as you suggested, but all I can say is that it just crashed, kinda seems pointless [06:44] <ricosuave17> no i mean might that be a problem? [06:44] <bob2> ricosuave17: no [06:44] <bob2> zerboxx: indeed [06:45] <bob2> if someone cares about amsn, they can follow up and request more info from you [06:45] <zerboxx> bob2: hehe ok, thanks [06:45] <ricosuave17> bob2: one more little thing x is working fine except i would like to get a bigger resolution [06:45] <Slipjack> frank: Downloading vlc now. Hopefully this will fix my problem. [06:45] <MrGardenHoseMan> vlc > * [06:45] <bob2> ricosuave17: indeed. leave it alone and read the wiki [06:45] <bob2> !+resolution [06:45] <ubotu> it has been said that resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto [06:45] <bob2> and back any file youre about to edit up [06:45] <bob2> me good grammar [06:46] <ricosuave17> i tried that yesterday and thats what brought me to this problem [06:46] <ricosuave17> i tried that file and it didnt do much [06:46] <bob2> oh wel [06:46] <ricosuave17> i know my video card can go higher but it sticks to 1024 [06:46] <bob2> file a bug and wait, I guess [06:46] <bob2> or find someone who'll walk you through it [06:46] <thoreauputic> bob2: that is the kind of English up with which we will not put! *g* [06:46] <bob2> being abusive on IRC will not help, tho [06:47] <Slipjack> Excellent! vlc works great. Even played the .wmv file. [06:48] <nothingsometing> bob2: can i also create users, groups, and permissions with this same config file??????? [06:48] <ricosuave17> bob2: how can i reconfigure just my resolution not my whole x [06:49] <TooNamI> hello [06:51] <Slipjack> Hello TooNamI [06:51] <jasoncohen> ricosuave17, generally you can run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and change the resolution & supported resolution to the max your monitor supports or that you want to use [06:51] <Xyc0> What is the name of the file that defines the default application associations? [06:51] <ricosuave17> ok thanks but will that mess with my other options? [06:52] <jasoncohen> ricosuave17, you also might need to manually specify the horizontal & vertical sync rates. use "sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange" to find yours [06:52] <TooNamI> hi I am having a bit of trouble with ubuntu cant seem to figure this out... im running a p4 2.8e w/ ati 9600pro xt... When i install the max reso is 600x460 -- i tried the reconfigure xserver and it lets me use a higher resolution but its virtual... My screen is still in lower resolution and i have to scroll around [06:53] <JonasNZ> YAY! i just got my CD's [06:53] <jasoncohen> ricosuave17, just hit enter on options you don't want to change to keep the current setting [06:53] <ricosuave17> ok [06:53] <nothingsometing> in a config file can someone tell me what the " # " (pound sgin) is at the left for? [06:53] <jasoncohen> nothingsometing, that's for comments or to comment out a line [06:53] <TooNamI> after i ran config for x it stuck the ati card's tv out to on [06:53] <nothingsometing> what pourpous does it serve [06:53] <jasoncohen> nothingsometing, anything with a # as the first character is ignored [06:54] <nothingsometing> ooooooooooh [06:54] <nothingsometing> this makes alot more scence [06:54] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: 1) help to understand the file 2) disables stuff you don't want [06:54] <dispatcher> hello nalioth [06:54] <nothingsometing> so what about the " ; " sign [06:54] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: in some files that is a comment too [06:55] <nothingsometing> i seen that one next to stuff that look like commands [06:55] <nalioth> dispatcher: type /join ##apple please [06:55] <jasoncohen> nothingsometing, ; can also be used in a command to run multiple commands after one another [06:55] <jasoncohen> like "sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade" [06:55] <jasoncohen> first it updates and then it upgrades [06:55] <nothingsometing> i'm trying to edit smb.conf [06:56] <nothingsometing> jasoncohen: so that's whay i was asking [06:56] <jasoncohen> nothingsometing, you might want to use swat [06:56] <nothingsometing> i don't know how to [06:56] <nothingsometing> i was asking how to earlyer but noone would tel me [06:57] <nothingsometing> i read in google that that was the smart way to go [06:57] <jasoncohen> nothingsometing, sudo apt-get install swat [06:57] <bob2> nothingsometing: no, if you want users and groups you have to go find a samba howto [06:57] <bob2> nothingsometing: #samba can no doubt point you at the right places [06:57] <nothingsometing> jasoncohen: no no no, i have it [06:57] <bob2> ricosuave17: that doesn't mean anything [06:58] <nothingsometing> jasoncohen: samba howto?? [06:58] <bob2> nothingsometing: dude [06:58] <bob2> nothingsometing: type "samba howto" in to google [06:58] <bob2> nothingsometing: look at the second line [06:59] <Randall64> ugh, unsupported features in my ext3 filesystem? You've got to be kidding. [06:59] <nothingsometing> bob2: google linux or google normal [06:59] <bob2> Randall64: yay fedora [06:59] <bob2> nothingsometing: either [06:59] <Randall64> It doesn't even load a keyboard driver when it fails. [06:59] <bob2> it's unlikely that there;s a keyboard driver to load [07:00] <Randall64> It tells me it's mounted ro, like a regular failed autofsck. [07:00] <bob2> you created the filesystem with fedora 4? [07:00] <Randall64> debian [07:00] <Randall64> iirc [07:00] <bob2> I'd be very very surprised then [07:00] <Madpilot> back in a bit, fooling with Opera's configs [07:01] <Randall64> I'm fsck'ing under knoppix now. [07:01] <bob2> Randall64: http://www.cims.nyu.edu/~barnett/laptop_setup/ [07:02] <bob2> perhaps that will help [07:02] <bob2> tho I'm not sure how to set it in / [07:02] <redtech> ok, whats the easiet way to add/modify links in the applications menu? [07:02] <bob2> !+smeg [07:02] <ubotu> from memory, smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports. [07:02] <Randall64> Well, I'm probably going to shrink this partition, then do a new one with a clean Hoary. [07:02] <redtech> <3 [07:02] <Randall64> If that fails I'll probably give this peecee to family and buy a tivo. [07:04] <Dr_Willis> I got a little HD-DVD TV recorder box at walmart for like $230 with a 80gb hd. [07:04] <Dr_Willis> i think its even down to $200 or so now. :P an record to HD or to dvd disk. (6 hrs on dvd) [07:06] <danielrr> good nig all gtanks for the help [07:06] <redtech> bob2, and what would be the built in way? [07:07] <bob2> using smeg [07:07] <bob2> or maybe mv [07:07] <redtech> ahh ok. thx [07:10] <jasoncohen> hmm, i can't seem to get swat to start because i can't start the inetd service [07:10] <Randall64> Why won't inetd start? [07:11] <jasoncohen> not sure [07:11] <Randall64> no logging? [07:11] <jasoncohen> um...and now it works fine [07:11] <jasoncohen> all i did was comment out a line and open a new terminal [07:11] <Randall64> Just try nfs under linux. You'll be even more mystified. [07:13] <thoreauputic> Randall64: ? NFS isn't hard - I'm pretty much a network beginner and i have it running fine [07:13] <jasoncohen> i do use NFS [07:13] <ToRTuReD_X> hey guys [07:13] <Randall64> thore: Just keep at it. It'll fail in all manner of mysterious ways. [07:14] <thoreauputic> Randall64: so far so good - /me crosses fingers [07:14] <salapoliisi> can i install 32bit ubuntu somehow with 64bit cd? [07:14] <apprentice> can i run mutiple Xs [07:14] <apprentice> like i run mutiple terminals [07:15] <Randall64> sala: nope, can't get a 32-bit cd? [07:15] <thoreauputic> salapoliisi: I think the answer would be no [07:15] <bob2> of course [07:15] <Randall64> apprentice: yes [07:15] <apprentice> how? [07:15] <Randall64> apprentice: X :1 will start another one [07:15] <jasoncohen> Randall64, i have no clue what's going on with inetd [07:15] <salapoliisi> can i use 64bit ubuntu cd so that i could install 32bit version from internet? [07:15] <jasoncohen> now it's just not giving any output but isn't working [07:15] <Randall64> jason: Well, there's always xinetd [07:15] <apprentice> but can i swithc betweens x without the closing. cause if i run an x and switch to a console X closes [07:16] <Randall64> sala: nope [07:16] <jasoncohen> root@jasonslaptop:~# /etc/init.d/inetd start [07:16] <jasoncohen> root@jasonslaptop:~# ps ax | grep swat [07:16] <jasoncohen> 9708 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep swat [07:16] <Randall64> apprentice: I wonder why it does that. What's on the vc X should be running on? [07:16] <ToRTuReD_X> hmm [07:17] <psychonate> why, when I bring up a terminal, does it have me by default in / rather than in ~? [07:17] <Madpilot> just playing with the Ubuntu Wiki, and I'd like opinions on this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser - which I've just created [07:17] <Dr_Willis> if the users home dir does not exist it goes to / [07:17] <thoreauputic> apprentice: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/multiple-x.html [07:17] <psychonate> The directory actually changes from time to time. Sometimes when I open up a terminal, it's at some other directory [07:17] <Randall64> psychonate: Did you startx from the console in / perchance? [07:17] <apprentice> i am sorry thoreauputic but i will need for u 2 send that link again later on i cant do much on console [07:17] <ToRTuReD_X> god i love ubuntu [07:18] <ToRTuReD_X> just needa find out how to set it up to auto login [07:18] <psychonate> Randall64, no. GDM. [07:18] <psychonate> GDM started X, I mean. [07:18] <thoreauputic> apprentice: just get a pencil and paper dude [07:18] <psychonate> I'm fairly sure the default directory changes though, but I'm not sure why [07:18] <thoreauputic> :/ [07:18] <apprentice> ok [07:18] <Randall64> psychonate: Maybe there's a pref to tell it which directory to start in. Do xterms do the same thing? [07:19] <thoreauputic> apprentice: advanced technology, eh ? [07:19] <psychonate> I don't know what's doing it, but it's causing problems with XMMS because I get strange "Directory unreadable: No such file or directory when I try to add files." [07:19] <Randall64> links is pretty snazzy on the console imo [07:19] <Randall64> But I'm comparing it to lynx. [07:19] <psychonate> Randall64, yeah, xterm did the same thing. [07:19] <apprentice> nop i just really like real console with no x [07:19] <psychonate> I don't know why it doesn't always start in the same directory, let alone my home directory. [07:20] <jasoncohen> what's the inetd package? [07:20] <Randall64> qtparted hates my ext3 too, so I'm using resize2fs, then I'll make this peecee my bitch [07:20] <psychonate> or, rather, why it doesn't start in my home dir [07:20] <Randall64> psychonate: a ha! [07:20] <psychonate> eh? [07:20] <psychonate> er, don't get me excited :( [07:20] <thoreauputic> apprentice: you can start another session ( alt-F2 ; login ; links http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/multiple-x.html [07:20] <thoreauputic> for example [07:20] <psychonate> I can't add individual files in XMMS atm [07:20] <psychonate> because of htis [07:20] <psychonate> s/htis/this [07:21] <ToRTuReD_X> lol [07:21] <ToRTuReD_X> same psychonate [07:21] <ToRTuReD_X> i can't add folders [07:21] <ToRTuReD_X> it locks up [07:21] <Randall64> You just need a bigger filing cabinet for your folders. [07:21] <psychonate> ah, I think my problem is a little different [07:21] <Dr_Willis> o_0 [07:22] <drcode> any one know if I Want to add packgge to ubuntu live cd into the cd , is it possible? [07:22] <ToRTuReD_X> erm [07:22] <Dr_Willis> drcode, not at this time - i dont think so. [07:22] <ToRTuReD_X> that would require a burning wouldn't it? [07:22] <Dr_Willis> there are some other live cd's that can handle that fairly easially (knoppix) [07:22] <ToRTuReD_X> ah k [07:23] <drcode> k [07:23] <drcode> thanx [07:23] <ToRTuReD_X> woot [07:23] <Dr_Willis> not sure if you can remaaster the cd and put some debian packages on it or not with ubuntu yetl [07:23] <ToRTuReD_X> nine inch nails - only [07:23] <ToRTuReD_X> \m/ [07:23] <ToRTuReD_X> how do i know if i installed the drivers for my gfx card properly? [07:24] <Randall64> tortured: glxgears is a simple test [07:24] <Madpilot> ToRTuReD_X: glxinfo | grep OpenGL [07:24] <gpd> 46572 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9314.400 FPS [07:25] <Dr_Willis> play tuxracer :P [07:25] <jasoncohen> nothingsometing, hey, ok sudo apt-get install samba swat [07:25] <Madpilot> install Scorched3d - it's a cool game anyway! [07:25] <jasoncohen> nothingsometing, then you'll need to edit /etc/inetd.conf [07:25] <apprentice> i love u [07:26] <jasoncohen> nothingsometing, "echo "swat stream tcp nowait.400 root /usr/bin/tcpd /usr/sbin/swat" >> /etc/inetd.conf" [07:26] <Echelon-H> hi [07:26] <jasoncohen> nothingsometing, "sudo echo "swat stream tcp nowait.400 root /usr/bin/tcpd /usr/sbin/swat" >> /etc/inetd.conf" [07:27] <chrishaum> #edubuntu [07:27] <Forty|> anyone else getting a problem upgrading firefox? [07:27] <timl> Forty|: check the topic [07:27] <Forty|> hahahaha [07:27] <Forty|> sorry about that [07:28] <psychonate> why is my XMMS acting so strangely :( [07:28] <Forty|> timl, backports in the sources list? [07:28] <apprentice> try amarok [07:28] <Randall64> psycho: It realized it's a bad clone of a bad program people stopped using years ago. [07:29] <Randall64> juk seems nice at least [07:29] <timl> Forty|: I have no idea, I've only read the topic :) [07:29] <apprentice> actually i wish there was a foobar clone [07:29] <Forty|> hahaha [07:29] <Forty|> hmm [07:29] <apprentice> foobar is like the best i wonder why no one has made a clone [07:29] <psychonate> now, if I want to save a playlist, it has the default save at / and I hit "../" and it takes me to /share/video/Faccia a faccia (1967) XviD ?! 0.o [07:30] <apprentice> psychonate: waht movie is that [07:30] <ToRTuReD_X> how do i install a .tar.gz file? [07:30] <psychonate> Randall64, unfortunately, I don't think Ubuntu has bmp plugins for flac, mpc, cue files, ape, and some other exotic formats [07:30] <Dr_Willis> You dont :P yoiu install tyhe program IN the .tar.gz :P [07:30] <ridejib> ToRTuReD_X: you need to unzip it first [07:30] <psychonate> apprentice, spaghetti western film [07:30] <ToRTuReD_X> yeh [07:30] <ToRTuReD_X> then? [07:30] <psychonate> (Face to Face) [07:30] <ridejib> ToRTuReD_X: what type of files does it contain? [07:31] <apprentice> cool. i dont really like westerns [07:31] <psychonate> I like some. [07:31] <Forty|> damn, whats the direcotry for hte source lists? [07:31] <ToRTuReD_X> i'll tell you when i'm done [07:31] <psychonate> Forty|, /etc/apt/sources.list ? [07:31] <apprentice> the only western i like is back to the future 3 [07:31] <psychonate> rofl [07:31] <apprentice> its pretty western [07:32] <ridejib> first you gotta do gunzip file.tar.gz, the tar -xvf file.tar [07:32] <psychonate> Spaghetti Westerns are a little different in most cases from American Westerns [07:32] <apprentice> maybe there better [07:32] <psychonate> well, also depends on what american westerns you watched [07:32] <apprentice> not many actually [07:32] <Forty|> thanks psychonate [07:32] <Forty|> i always forget apt [07:32] <psychonate> Sam Peckinpah's The Wild Bunch is A LOT different from say High Noon [07:32] <Forty|> apprentice, damn good western to like [07:33] <Forty|> psychonate, how about sundance kid? [07:33] <Randall64> ride: tar xzvf might be a little easier ... [07:33] <psychonate> Forty|, that's a pretty good one [07:33] <ridejib> Randall64: this is true..thx [07:33] <psychonate> Paul Newman is a monster :) [07:34] <ridejib> While not a Western, has anyone seen The Boondock Saints? [07:34] <psychonate> yes [07:34] <psychonate> it's alright [07:34] <ridejib> I love that movie [07:34] <tim> boondock saints is such a good movie [07:34] <tim> theres a sequel coming out [07:34] <apprentice> i love the boondock saints [07:34] <tim> "all saints day" [07:34] <apprentice> its so cool [07:34] <psychonate> I like the part when they shoot the cat heh [07:34] <ridejib> Yeah, do you know when it is due out? [07:34] <psychonate> but Pulp Fiction's scene when Marvin gets shot is better [07:35] <psychonate> "Oh man, I think I shot Marvin in the face." [07:35] <Forty|> anyone here know how to disable mplayer and use xine? [07:35] <tim> agreed, both are insanely good movies [07:35] <apprentice> lol that part is funny [07:35] <ridejib> The Detective Greenly is a guy name Bob Marley, who happens to be a comedian. I went to see him Live and after the show asked when All Saints Day was coming out, and he seemed shocked I knew they were making it [07:35] <apprentice> lol. [07:36] <ridejib> ToRTuReD_X: any luck with that tar.gz? [07:36] <apprentice> support panic? [07:36] <Madpilot> nobody's breaking anything in their installs right at this moment, I guess ;) [07:36] <psychonate> well, I still don't know why / is not the default directory when I open a terminal or roxfiler [07:36] <psychonate> seems a bit strange [07:36] <arbir> has to now sleep [07:37] <ridejib> how do you make irc do something like this "* gpd is in shock that # is not in frenzy of support panic!" [07:37] <thoreauputic> psychonate: the usual default would be your home dir /home/username/ [07:37] <apprentice> i am i just calmed down [07:38] <thoreauputic> ride type /me <does something or says something> [07:38] <ridejib> thoreauputic: thanks [07:38] <ubuntu> how do you install AIM? [07:38] <shadeland> man [07:38] <shadeland> that was fun [07:38] <shadeland> just got the ATI drivers installed [07:39] <pablo928> Hi everyone. How do it set my swap-file size? Seems in the install it was set to 0MB. [07:39] <Madpilot> ubuntu: GAIM is installed by default, I think [07:39] <ridejib> pablo928: have you already partitioned your entire hard drive? [07:39] <mike> anybody know when ubuntu ...6(?) is coming out? [07:40] <ridejib> mike: Breezy (5.10 i think) is due out in December [07:40] <Madpilot> October for Breezy, I thought [07:40] <psychonate> thoreauputic, I know, but it's not [07:40] <psychonate> thoreauputic, the default changes [07:40] <psychonate> I have no idea why. [07:40] <ridejib> Madpilot: hmm, maybe you are correct. I might be thinking of something else [07:41] <thoreauputic> psychonate: it's a conspiracy! [07:41] <psychonate> I just know that it gets changed periodically to a directory that I was in in rox or in a terminal [07:41] <dooonz> guys my firefox is buggering up [07:41] <dooonz> like all the time [07:41] <psychonate> I don't know why or how [07:41] <pablo928> ridejib-yep, two partitions, Fat32 for WinXp and ext3 for Ubuntu. [07:41] <ridejib> doonz: have you sprayed it with Raid(TM)? [07:41] <dooonz> yeah [07:41] <thoreauputic> dooonz: could you be a little more vague? [07:42] <Madpilot> dooonz: read the topic? [07:42] <dooonz> hehehe [07:42] <ridejib> Doonz: hmm.. weird. that usually solves my problems [07:42] <dooonz> sorry [07:42] <dooonz> let me read the topic [07:42] <dooonz> ok read it [07:42] <Randall64> ridejib: So you're saying the anal rape doesn't bother you, just insects? [07:43] <ridejib> pablo928: you aren't going to be able to create swap space without re-partitioning at least one of those partitions. Have you already installed both operating systems? [07:43] <dooonz> is it on the ubuntuguide.org site a walkthrough howto do it? [07:43] <Madpilot> Randall64: language... [07:43] <pablo928> ridejib- isn't there a way to manually set the swap-file size? [07:43] <Randall64> Well, you _can_ make a swapfile. [07:43] <Randall64> It's not just recommended. [07:44] <Randall64> s/not just/just not/ [07:44] <Randall64> man mkswap [07:44] <pablo928> Any idea why it would set to 0MB by default in install? [07:44] <Dr_Willis> a swap FILE is different then a swap partition. [07:44] <dooonz> how do i disable backports? [07:44] <Randall64> pablo: Did you forget to create a swap partition in the installer? [07:45] <Randall64> _Then_ what does the swap partition do? [07:45] <ridejib> Randall64: I'm confused what the buttlove comment was in regards to? Although humoress, I'm still confused [07:45] <Dr_Willis> you can use a swap file instead of a swap parttion.. or use a combo of the 2. [07:46] <thoreauputic> ridejib: FF "buggering up" [07:46] <cs378> hi, i installed kubuntu, don kinda like kde, cuz of some error, can i start a new installation with ubuntu? (im at dual boot - dont wanna mess up my windows xp) [07:46] <ridejib> hmm.. i must not be familiar with that induendo [07:46] <ridejib> or however you spell it [07:46] <pablo928> Dr_Willis- So how do I set a swapfile? [07:46] <Randall64> It's british slang. [07:46] <thoreauputic> ridejib: dict bugger :) Or look in a web dictionary [07:47] <Randall64> pablo: man mkswap, search for dd [07:47] <ridejib> Randall64: ah, that would be why.. [07:47] <ridejib> thoreauputic: thx [07:47] <Randall64> I just hate repeating myself. [07:47] <thoreauputic> ridejib: buggery is more or less "sodomy" [07:47] <Dr_Willis> theres several howtos that tell the exact steps to make a swap file its fairly trivial. You are saying you made NO swap partition then? [07:47] <cs378> anyone? [07:47] <ridejib> thoreauputic: hmm. quite interesting. lol [07:48] <Madpilot> hmmmm... is anyone else having trouble getting information from Ubuntu's little Dictionary app? [07:48] <thoreauputic> ridejib: there used to be a law that used the phrase " the abominable sin of buggery" [07:48] <thoreauputic> ;) [07:48] <mrnice> hi all [07:48] <Randall64> Now it's just good clean fun. [07:48] <ridejib> cs378: yes. Just install on the partition you set up for kubuntu [07:48] <mrnice> can I install RPM? [07:48] <mrnice> in ubuntu ? [07:48] <Dr_Willis> Ewww.... [07:48] <ridejib> thoreauputic: haha that is quite entertaining [07:49] <frank> short answer, no [07:49] <Dr_Willis> you mean install AN rpm? [07:49] <poningru> mrnice: use alien [07:49] <mrnice> yes [07:49] <thoreauputic> Maddy: yes, change the url to test.dict.org [07:49] <mrnice> I Have download rpm pkg [07:49] <poningru> !alien [07:49] <Randall64> mrnice: no, but you can alien it if desperation drives you to madness [07:49] <levander> Nobody here knows how to configure udftools do they? [07:49] <ubotu> alien is probably a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/ [07:49] <frank> mrnice: use deb instead [07:49] <cs378> ridejib: so its a fresh new installation n it will config the grab thing as well right,(i am a newbie) [07:49] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: sorry tab complete error ^^^ [07:49] <poningru> guys its not always easy to use debs because people dont provide .debs [07:49] <mrnice> I can't find it as deb [07:49] <ridejib> frank: some software is only released in rpm format [07:49] <mrnice> only rpm [07:49] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: OK, test.dict.org workd, thanks. [07:50] <dooonz> how do i disable backports? [07:50] <Randall64> mrnice: What software are you dealing with? [07:50] <mrnice> djplay [07:50] <Amaranth> poningru: are you talking about autopackage? [07:50] <levander> !udftools [07:50] <ubotu> levander: Bugger all, i dunno [07:50] <ridejib> mrnice: use "alien filename" [07:50] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: the dict.org URL is going through some kind of existential crisis ;-) [07:50] <mrnice> in sourceforge [07:50] <Mobus> but what's wrong with the GUN ./compile && make && make instasll eh? [07:50] <Mobus> GNU* [07:50] <frank> ridejib: some... yes but if that happens, I'd say you're better off compiling it yourself [07:50] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: I was afraid it was my Firestarter install buggering up the connection [07:50] <ridejib> mrnice: alien will convert the rpm to a .deb. then you can use sudo dpkg [07:50] <mrnice> thanx alot [07:50] <mrnice> I Will check it out [07:50] <ridejib> !alien [07:51] <ubotu> [alien] a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/ [07:51] <Randall64> !debian [07:51] <ubotu> debian is, like, The Rock upon which Ubuntu is founded; see http://www.debian.org http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html#contents Thank You Ian and DEBra Murdock! 1994 Vers. 0.9 [07:51] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: nah, just the dict people changing stuff without telling anyone [07:51] <poningru> hahaha [07:51] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: wonderful... </sarcasm> [07:51] <levander> what's the command to tech ubotu a word? [07:51] <poningru> imagine naming a distro after you gf [07:51] <ridejib> poningru: it would be called "satan" [07:51] <dooonz> !porno [07:51] <ubotu> Wish i knew, dooonz [07:51] <Amaranth> dooonz: ... [07:51] <ridejib> hahah doonz [07:52] <poningru> doonz dont teach it shit like that [07:52] <dooonz> aorry [07:52] <thoreauputic> levander: ubotu <something> is <something else> [07:52] <Madpilot> levander: "ubotu <word> is <foo>" - but do it in /msg [07:52] <Madpilot> !list [07:52] <ubotu> hmm... list is at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuFactoids [07:52] <dooonz> it didnt learn anythign anyhow [07:52] <poningru> nice infobot [07:52] <Amaranth> don't do it in msg, it's harder to keep the junk out when i can't see it being set :) [07:53] <Madpilot> "!list" has a URL with all of ubotu's commands - it's searchable [07:53] <Amaranth> what the topic meant about what? [07:53] <dooonz> Firefox problems? Disable backports & uninstall firefox before updating mozilla-firefoxok [07:53] <ToRTuReD_X> haha!! [07:53] <ridejib> ubotu is the win [07:53] <ubotu> ridejib: I don't know, could you explain it? [07:53] <ToRTuReD_X> got gnome baker working :D [07:53] <thoreauputic> dooonz: the topic only applies if you used backports and have their version of FF [07:53] <Madpilot> !good bot [07:53] <ubotu> thanks madpilot :) [07:53] <ridejib> haha, sure ubotu. I think you are swell. [07:53] <Dr_Willis> !good boot [07:53] <ubotu> Dr_Willis: Are you smoking crack? [07:53] <dooonz> hmm [07:53] <Dr_Willis> :P [07:54] <dooonz> i dont think so [07:54] <dooonz> just used what came with ubuntu [07:54] <Madpilot> only one "o" in bot... [07:54] <helloyo> are there any common reasons why games don't work in cedega, the channel is dead, and i'm trying to get sim city 3000 working [07:54] <dooonz> but it been closing when ever and when i try clicking on a d/l link nothing happens [07:54] <gpd> !list [07:54] <ubotu> I guess list is at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuFactoids [07:54] <gpd> ubotu: list [07:54] <bur[n] er> helloyo: get any errors? [07:55] <helloyo> bur[n] er, nope, just nothing happens when i try to run the game (it installed though) [07:55] <dooonz> im using version 1.0.2 if that helps [07:55] <thoreauputic> gpd: it won't flood the channel with a long list - use /msg ubotu list [07:55] <ridejib> good night all [07:55] <thoreauputic> dooonz: sudo apt-get upgrade [07:55] <ridejib> happy -debuggering [07:55] <ridejib> lol [07:55] <pablo928> Well, I guess I did it now. used "mkswap /dev/hda2" and now can't open any apps. [07:55] <bur[n] er> helloyo: in that case, i dunno [07:56] <dooonz> nothing thoreauputic [07:56] <thoreauputic> dooonz: ? [07:56] <frank> pablo928: lol [07:56] <poningru> use dp people [07:56] <poningru> seriously if microsoft were incharge of firefox [07:57] <poningru> dp would be out the door in this condition [07:57] <gpd> thoreauputic: is ubotu supybot? [07:57] <dooonz> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/815 [07:57] <frank> pablo928: was that the right partition? [07:57] <thoreauputic> dooonz: you mean it doesn't tell you anything needs upgrading? In that case something is wrong [07:57] <pablo928> frank-Is tat kinda like reformattin my hd drive? [07:57] <thoreauputic> gpd: ubotu is a blootbot [07:57] <GNULinuxer> Hi jino [07:57] <poningru> pablo928: what are you trying to do? [07:57] <jino> hey [07:57] <frank> pablo928: well its formating part of it. whatever /hda2 was [07:57] <jino> i\\\wats up [07:58] <thoreauputic> dooonz: the latest FF in the repos is 1.0.6 now [07:58] <jino> i have a problem [07:58] <dooonz> hmm [07:58] <dooonz> what do i do [07:58] <GNULinuxer> lo NigelS [07:58] <jino> GNULinuxer, i bought a new laptop [07:58] <pablo928> frank-I thought it was the right partition. I just wanted to sepup a swapfile for my memory. [07:58] <thoreauputic> dooonz: do you have a standard /etc/apt/sources.list ? [07:58] <jino> and installed ubuntu [07:58] <GNULinuxer> lo feahfuogbcbosw [07:58] <jino> it doestnt play mp3 and vidieo [07:59] <thoreauputic> dooonz: and have you updated or reloaded synaptic? [07:59] <poningru> !restricted formats [07:59] <ubotu> I guess restricted formats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs' [07:59] <feahfuogbcbosw> GNULinuxer: I have to use this because some jackass keeps taking my real nick >:( [07:59] <dooonz> yeah [07:59] <frank> pablo928: oh you didn't have a swap file before? [07:59] <GNULinuxer> feahfuogbcbosw: i see :) [07:59] <dooonz> it shows up there [07:59] <poningru> jino: follow whats written on that link [07:59] <dooonz> just install it? [07:59] <poningru> jino: let us know if you run into trouble [07:59] <frank> pablo928: you probably formated your linux partition. assuming that is what was in /dev/hda2 [07:59] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: are you registered? [07:59] <Agrajag> thoreauputic: yes [08:00] <Agrajag> thus I can ghost him and take it back [08:00] <pablo928> frank: for some reason in the install ther wasn't a swapfile setup. [08:00] <jino> it says mp3 decoder is not present [08:00] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: then do /msg nickserv ghost agrajag <password> if someone steals your nick [08:00] <frank> pablo928: if you partition manually you have to set one up yourself as /dev/hda3 or something [08:00] <Agrajag> yeah... I just said that [08:00] <poningru> ubotu: tell jino about !codecs [08:00] <poningru> sigh [08:00] <jino> yup [08:00] <poningru> ubotu: tell jino about codecs [08:01] <Agrajag> it's still damn annoying [08:01] <dooonz> !codecs [08:01] <poningru> jino: did you get that? [08:01] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: ah sorry - slow typist ;) [08:01] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [08:01] <Agrajag> hah [08:01] <pablo928> well, back to reloading Ubuntu. I'm glad this is my backup box. [08:01] <frank> pablo928: I'm glad about that too! [08:02] <frank> pablo928: when you play with partitions, make sure you know what you're doing [08:02] <pablo928> frank:and my main box does have a swap file! [08:02] <jino> i got da link [08:02] <poningru> cool [08:02] <poningru> let me know if you run into any trouble [08:03] <MrGardenHoseMan> how do i display my comp infor on the desktop? cpu, ram, etc [08:03] <MrGardenHoseMan> info* [08:03] <pablo928> frank:I'm just surprized that the apps I have open are still functioning. [08:03] <frank> pablo928: they are already in memory [08:03] <Dr_Willis> MrGardenHoseMan, tons of little system monitors out there. :P [08:03] <Jet2k5> does anyone know the proper way to get rid of KDE afte I've downloaded throught apt-get? [08:03] <frank> pablo928: your living in a figment of your computers imagination! [08:03] <Dr_Willis> MrGardenHoseMan, i think a nice one is called gkrellm or somthing like that. [08:04] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: removing libqt* should pretty much wipe KDE ;) [08:04] <pablo928> frank: in other word, I no longer have a OS? [08:04] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks [08:05] <adapter> what codecs are needed for .wmv to work? [08:05] <poningru> pablo928: whats the prob exactly I havent followed your convo? [08:05] <thoreauputic> MrGardenHoseMan: gkrellm is one example [08:05] <frank> pablo928: not in hda2 for sure. was there a windows in hda1? it wont boot like this but its still there [08:05] <poningru> adapter: w32codecs [08:05] <adapter> hmm thought I got it already [08:05] <dooonz> yay fixdd [08:05] <poningru> ubotu: tell adapter about codecs [08:06] <poningru> adapter: read through that see if there is something else [08:06] <pablo928> frank- I have WinXP on another partition. I shouldn't have destroyed my MBR. [08:07] <frank> pablo928: the installer will have installed grub on it and grub will not work until you install ubuntu again [08:07] <adapter> sudo apt-get install w32codecs is installed already [08:07] <adapter> are there any other ones? [08:07] <ColonelKernel> if I have a pentium 4 is it better for me to install mplayer-386 or mplayer-586? there isnt a 686 [08:07] <pablo928> frank: I'm going to reboot now and see what haPPENS. [08:07] <thoreauputic> ColonelKernel: 586 [08:07] <frank> windows wont load now but it will after you install again [08:08] <pablo928> frank: oK i'LL GIVE IT A TRY. sEE YOU. [08:08] <ColonelKernel> thankyou [08:08] <adapter> should I not use totem player maybe? [08:08] <jino> poningru, i have added hpary hedge binary repositary [08:08] <gpd> so I'm trying to load this djplay thing from ^^ but it is failing to find libjack.so.0... I could install all the libjack things from apt-cache search but how do I find that file int he apt repositories? not dpkg -S for sure [08:08] <thoreauputic> ColonelKernel: fun nick BTW :) [08:09] <ColonelKernel> thanks [08:09] <ColonelKernel> i like to play w kernels [08:09] <ColonelKernel> Linux p4ht 2.6.12-custom #1 SMP Mon Jul 25 22:45:04 PDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux [08:09] <Randall64> gpd: apt-file, works like apt-cache [08:09] <poningru> jino: ? [08:09] <ColonelKernel> just a shame you cant use vanilla kernels with ubuntu [08:09] <poningru> jino: sorry what were you trying to do again? [08:10] <levander> lsmod | grep udf [08:10] <thoreauputic> ColonelKernel: ex Slacker? [08:10] <ColonelKernel> ex fedora/deb/gentoo [08:10] <thoreauputic> ah [08:10] <poningru> jino: were you trying to play mp3 and dvd? [08:10] <thoreauputic> surely you can't use vanilla kernels with fedora? [08:10] <jino> poningru, mp3 [08:11] <jino> and dvd too [08:11] <Randall64> thore: why not? [08:11] <jino> i have a lot of problems [08:11] <ColonelKernel> i used fedora on this box before I switched to ubuntu, there is a nutty op in #fedora who makes the experience unpleasant, so I switched distros [08:11] <poningru> jino: ok what did you do exactly? [08:11] <thoreauputic> ColonelKernel: heheh [08:11] <jino> i went to repositiories in synaptic [08:11] <hyphenated> ColonelKernel: heh, what a great reason to switch distros [08:11] <poningru> jino: first thing you should ahve done is added the extra repositoreis [08:11] <ColonelKernel> you can use vanilla kernels on fedora no prob; [08:11] <poningru> right [08:11] <pablo928> frank: You were right. Grub is gone. [08:11] <jino> and added hoary hedge [08:11] <jino> where do i do that [08:11] <ColonelKernel> hyphenated, he did me a favor, im much happier with ubuntu [08:12] <pablo928> I' had to switch boxes. [08:12] <poningru> jino: you were on the right path [08:12] <jino> okie [08:12] <jino> so [08:12] <gpd> Randall64: apt-file search libjack.so.0 gives nothing... some testing reveals it doesn't find exisitng files? [08:12] <jino> how do i move [08:12] <ColonelKernel> I would thank the guy but ive been banned in #fedora since july 8 for no reason [08:12] <thoreauputic> !find libjack.so.0 [08:13] <thoreauputic> hmm [08:13] <jino> poningru, i have installed a few media players aswell [08:13] <jino> but no use [08:13] <thoreauputic> !find libjack [08:13] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'libjack' (4 shown): libjack0.80.0-0 ;; libjack0.80.0-dev ;; libjackasyn-dev ;; libjackasyn0. [08:14] <gpd> thoreauputic: that is apt-cache search libjack [08:14] <poningru> jino: hold on [08:14] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'libjack.so.0' returned no results. [08:14] <jino> okie [08:14] <poningru> give me couple of sec [08:14] <jino> okie [08:14] <thoreauputic> gpd: yes, you're right [08:14] <ColonelKernel> i checked out deb testing but it doesnt use gnome 2.10 OR xorg [08:14] <gpd> thoreauputic: that is easy... but finding a specific file in the repository i have not achieved [08:14] <ColonelKernel> I wasnt very happy with that [08:14] <miko> lg ngapain? [08:15] <thoreauputic> gpd: in theory apt-file should do it if it exists... puzzling [08:15] <gpd> thoreauputic: does apt-file require the full path? [08:15] <Randall64> gpd: Did you apt-file update? [08:15] <gpd> Randall64: no... i'll try [08:15] <Randall64> heh [08:15] <kozlyk> what is libjack for? [08:15] <thoreauputic> gpd: I don't think so [08:16] <poningru> jino back [08:16] <Randall64> gpd: It's like apt-cache in that it relies on having actual data to search ;) [08:16] <gpd> thoreauputic: Randall64 I assumed it was using the apt-get database [08:16] <Randall64> gpd: I probably assumed that too. [08:16] <poningru> ok so you added universe and multiverse right? [08:16] <gpd> Randall64: thoreauputic seems to be downloading Contents-xxx.gz interesting... [08:17] <jino> i din add multivers [08:17] <Randall64> Just who is he talking to? [08:17] <jino> i have installed gstream now [08:17] <jino> from package manager [08:17] <jino> will that do? [08:17] <airmikey_> anyone here get mplayer to play movies on laptop ? [08:17] <ricosuave17> bob2: what resolution do u use? [08:18] <jino> poningru, should i add multiverse too [08:18] <adapter> hmm mplayer won't even work [08:18] <adapter> it just freezes up [08:18] <poningru> jino: yes [08:18] <jino> okie [08:18] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: do a /whois bob2 - I'd say he's away >> [bob2] is away (lunch) [08:18] <Randall64> adapter: What's the last line in your terminal? [08:19] <adapter> I wasn't loading it from there [08:19] <poningru> jino: actually for mp3 you shouldnt need the multiverse [08:19] <poningru> gstreamer0.8-mad [08:19] <poningru> install that package [08:19] <ricosuave17> weird its 2:19 am for me [08:19] <adapter> it is already [08:19] <adapter> and so are all the codecs [08:19] <adapter> yet it won't play a .wmv [08:20] <ToRTuReD_X> i got a q [08:20] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: funny eh? There's a world out there, mate [08:20] <ToRTuReD_X> is there any software to hook up mp3 players in ubuntu [08:20] <Randall64> adapter: What errors are you getting? [08:20] <ToRTuReD_X> like a creative audio mp3 player [08:20] <jino> poningru, i have installed it [08:20] <ricosuave17> thoreauputic: u british [08:20] <jino> should i restart [08:20] <adapter> I'm not seeing any errors [08:20] <gpd> does bob2 get paid for this? [08:20] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: nope [08:20] <poningru> jino: no need [08:21] <jino> wat shall i do [08:21] <jino> killall? [08:21] <poningru> try playing an mp3 player [08:21] <jino> okie [08:21] <ricosuave17> american [08:21] <ricosuave17> ? [08:21] <cafuego> gpd: Only in karma [08:21] <Randall64> adapter: wow, mplayer is insanely verbose most of the time [08:21] <bob2> gpd: no [08:21] <poningru> jino restart the music player if its already open [08:21] <bob2> I get anti-paid by not doing real work [08:22] <adapter> a .mpg just froze it too [08:22] <gpd> bob2: hard luck :( [08:22] <adapter> but .mpg will work fine in totem [08:22] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: erm - right click my name in xchat and look at the country... [08:22] <ricosuave17> hey bob2 did u enjoy ur lunch [08:22] <ricosuave17> COOL I LOVE AUSSIE [08:22] <jino> poningru, my previous player is open [08:22] <Randall64> I just know this hours-long resize2fs is going to blow away all my data. [08:22] <jino> and it has hanged [08:22] <jino> how do i close it [08:22] <poningru> jino: force kill [08:23] <poningru> jino: go to application [08:23] <poningru> system [08:23] <cafuego> jino: "hung" - "hanged" is with a rope ;-) [08:23] <jino> thanx [08:23] <poningru> sytem tools I mean [08:23] <poningru> and then click on system monitor [08:23] <ToRTuReD_X> well [08:23] <poningru> find your player [08:23] <adapter> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs is all I need right? [08:23] <bob2> ricosuave17: yes, thanks [08:23] <bob2> poningru: you really don't [08:23] <ToRTuReD_X> still gotta install java for mozilla when i get back [08:23] <poningru> bob2: ? [08:23] <ricosuave17> bob2: were in the world r u [08:24] <bob2> ricosuave17: australia [08:24] <poningru> if its hanged then it must be killed [08:24] <jino> poningru, how [08:24] <ricosuave17> cool is it 2 pm for u [08:24] <Randall64> If it's hanged, it's surely dead already. [08:24] <bob2> ricosuave17: why? [08:24] <bob2> if you have ubuntu questions, ask them in the channel [08:24] <cafuego> Randall64: might still be twitching [08:24] <cafuego> ricosuave17: No, bob2 is not in perth. [08:24] <Randall64> cafuego: That's hardly a threat to anyone though. [08:24] <gpd> thoreauputic: Randall64 some interesting things emerge... alien ignores obvious dependency for libjack.so.0... ubuntu does not have said file anywhere... apt-file is useful but needs to be updated independently from apt-get... libjack0.80.0 is clearly far newer than djplay... djplay is probably not worth installing ;) [08:24] <poningru> jino: find your music player [08:24] <adapter> god damn I wish this would work [08:25] <adapter> I would think it would [08:25] <jino> xmmx [08:25] <light_punch2> is gcc in the ubuntu cd? if not, distrowatch should not include it there. [08:25] <adapter> if other files types play [08:25] <jino> xmms i mean [08:25] <cafuego> Randall64: it might lose bowel control at someone ;-) [08:25] <Randall64> Isn't libjack that thing that replaced that other thing? [08:25] <ricosuave17> oh ok i know a goth girl from perth [08:25] <bob2> ricosuave17: ah, misinterprted you, sorry. it's 1624 [08:25] <Randall64> Maybe ubuntu still has that other thing. [08:25] <Randall64> Better alien libjack! [08:26] <poningru> jino: did you shut it down? [08:26] <jino> no [08:26] <poningru> also to play music I would recomend rythmbox [08:26] <poningru> did you find xmms? [08:26] <jino> where do i [08:26] <ricosuave17> bob2: im curious about ur age just so i know if u go to school or not [08:26] <poningru> in system tools [08:26] <Randall64> You want juk! [08:26] <poningru> in system monitor [08:26] <bob2> ricosuave17: 22, no I'm not currently at school [08:26] <joe_1234> help allchanl [08:26] <Randall64> What's your name, girl, what's your sign? [08:26] <poningru> jino: click on application [08:27] <poningru> click on system tools [08:27] <poningru> click on system monitor [08:27] <thoreauputic> light_punch2: apt-cache policy build-essential ; apt-cache show build-essential [08:27] <poningru> and find xmms [08:27] <bob2> joe_1234: you don't seem to have asked a question yet [08:27] <thoreauputic> light_punch2: it's on the cd [08:27] <ricosuave17> bob2: do u know this school helena college [08:27] <bob2> ricosuave17: n [08:27] <bob2> o [08:27] <cafuego> bob2: it's to do with stopping a time reversal accident [08:28] <jino> yup it is done [08:28] <bob2> haha [08:28] <gpd> bob2: in case you don't know 'school' in the USA means anything from kindergarten to PhD... [08:28] <bob2> gpd: yeah, I gathered that [08:28] <poningru> jino: now open up rythmbox [08:28] <adapter> oh well until I figure this out it's all .mpegs for me :P [08:28] <cafuego> ricosuave17: There are tends of thousands of schools in asutralia. Australia is larger than the US. [08:28] <Randall64> And a "rubber" outside the US can be an eraser. [08:28] <gpd> in the UK school stops at 16...so the question is fairly insulting... probably the same in Oz... [08:28] <ricosuave17> i know but this school is in perth [08:29] <hyphenated> gpd: and there's very little difference in content ;-) [08:29] <cafuego> ricosuave17: It's anot ahappy small village where everyone knows everyone [08:29] <jino> i din install rythmbox [08:29] <gpd> I am british but I live in LA... [08:29] <ricosuave17> dude i know [08:29] <poningru> jino: just use your player then [08:29] <poningru> its no big deal [08:29] <ricosuave17> gpd: cool im going to become a british citizen [08:29] <bob2> ricosuave17: perth's a long way from here [08:29] <poningru> but I like rythmbox [08:29] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: perth is a fair sized city [08:29] <cafuego> though it on occasion seems to be, in melbourne :-/ [08:29] <poningru> its each persons choice [08:29] <ToRTuReD_X> gDesklets are the same as wiki's in windows rights? [08:29] <jino> but it doesnt work [08:29] <poningru> anyway try playing an mp3 song [08:29] <jino> i tried [08:29] <poningru> ? [08:29] <cafuego> perth is nice, /me was there last weekend [08:30] <kozlyk> does ubuntu and gnome let me know when new updates are available? [08:30] <jino> my player [08:30] <poningru> oh [08:30] <ToRTuReD_X> those things that sit on your desktop with hard drive info speed etc [08:30] <bob2> kozlyk: yes [08:30] <poningru> hehe oops [08:30] <ricosuave17> it should [08:30] <poningru> gstream-mad is for rythmbox only [08:30] <poningru> install w32codecs [08:30] <cafuego> Perth has ~ 1 million inhabitants [08:30] <poningru> and gstreamer0.8-plugins [08:31] <pablo928> bob2- I'm doing a reinstall on my backup box. If I upgrade to Breezy will it at least boot? [08:31] <jino> i have installed that [08:31] <kozlyk> how does one go about force quitting a stalled app. my mplayer is sitting pretty dead right now... [08:31] <poningru> jino: both of them? [08:31] <poningru> hmm weird [08:31] <jino> nope [08:31] <jino> win32 codecs [08:31] <cafuego> kozlyk: terminal, ps x, find the PID, kill -9 <pid> [08:31] <bob2> pablo928: X won't start [08:31] <Randall64> kozlyk: ctrl-c` [08:31] <poningru> yeah install gstreamer0.8-plugins as well [08:32] <shawarma> kozlyk: If you're running gnome, clicking the close-button on the window usually does the trick. If the app doesn't die properly a popup appears asking if you want to have it killed. [08:32] <pablo928> bob2- still won't? that's why I had to do a reinstall about 2 weeks ago. [08:32] <poningru> shadeland: that doesnt work all the time [08:32] <jino> done [08:32] <poningru> atleast for me [08:32] <bob2> pablo928: X is being completly re-done [08:32] <poningru> jino: make sure to reastart xmms [08:32] <bob2> it's a mammoth task [08:32] <jino> okie [08:32] <nJess> how do i disable the scrolling edges of my laptop trackpad? [08:33] <kozlyk> shawarma: I have hit the close button a few times, and the mplayer sits there with a nice blue screen. I think i was trying to see if my w32codecs worked properly :) [08:33] <poningru> jino: now play mp3 [08:33] <pablo928> bob2- are they still going to use xserver-xorg? [08:33] <poningru> an* [08:33] <bob2> pablo928: yes [08:33] <Randall64> kozlyk: try xkill [08:33] <bob2> pablo928: the packaging is being completly changed (e.g. it's being split into lots and lots of tiny little .debs) [08:33] <bob2> which will be geat in the future, since you can swap them out [08:33] <bob2> and fix them more easily [08:34] <shawarma> kozlyk: I see. [08:34] <gpd> bob2: you have a linode don't you... you occasionally surface in there ;) [08:34] <kozlyk> randall64: worked like a charm. First time i hit the bottom bar (silly me), but it restarted :) [08:34] <thoreauputic> bob2: will these changes go to debian sid as well ? [08:35] <pablo928> bob2-I guess I'll just have to stay with Hoary for the time being. I don't really like command line all that well. [08:35] <bob2> gpd: heh, yeah, usually only when it breaks [08:35] <jino> poningru, it doesnt work [08:35] <Randall64> kozlyk: boom! [08:35] <Razor-X> mmmm, i'm liking ZSH more and more as I read about it ;) [08:35] <poningru> hmm [08:35] <elsha> anyone have experience with webcams and ubuntu? [08:35] <Randall64> ZSH IS GREAT [08:35] <bob2> thoreauputic: yeah, the debian X people are stabilising the old tree in sid before they break it all again, tho ;) [08:35] <gpd> bob2: me too :) caker++ [08:35] <thoreauputic> bob2: ah i see - thanks :) [08:35] <fd> how do i kill my gnome panel [08:35] <fd> even if i cant see it [08:36] <Razor-X> all i've done insofar, though, is change my prompt from %m%# ;) [08:36] <poningru> jino: I have no clue, try restarting the computer [08:36] <poningru> although that should make no diff [08:36] <jino> how do i get rythmox [08:36] <poningru> its in synaptic [08:36] <Randall64> jino: The way you get everything else? [08:36] <Madpilot> rythymbox? it's installed by default, isn't it? [08:36] <thoreauputic> jino: rhythmbox is the default player in ubuntu [08:36] <gpd> everybody here... go buy a linode virtual server and install ubuntu :) [08:37] <Randall64> gpd: why? [08:37] <gpd> Randall64: best server I ever had... your own root box on a VERY fat pipe :) [08:38] <poningru> jino: rythmbox is the music player under sound & video [08:38] <fd> how do i list the process im runing [08:38] <Randall64> gpd: fair enough, now go buy a mac [08:38] <thoreauputic> fd: ps aux lists the lot [08:38] <rob^> I can't remember who it was, but for those intrested there is a draft of Beep Media Player + Plugins Guide at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeepMediaPlayer [08:39] <jino> wher do i find sound and vidio [08:39] <thoreauputic> fd: pgrep <process> finds a particular pid [08:39] <gpd> Randall64: I have a dual 2Gig G5 at work... very nice :) [08:39] <gpd> Randall64: but I am not sure of the significance... [08:39] <poningru> jino: under applications [08:40] <poningru> jino: if it still doesnt work take a look at this [08:40] <poningru> http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs [08:40] <poningru> try installing all of that [08:40] <Randall64> gpd: Well, you offered me a server, so I at least had to offer you a desktop. [08:40] <rob^> !bmp [08:40] <ubotu> rob^: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about [08:41] <rob^> ubotu bmp is a guide to Beep Media Player and Plugins, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeepMediaPlayer [08:41] <ubotu> rob^: okay [08:41] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: there's a pgrep? [08:41] <gpd> Randall64: fair enough... but seriously, check them out linode.com ... (I don't work for them) [08:41] <Razor-X> hah, I just use normal grep meself ;) [08:41] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: sure is :) [08:41] <Razor-X> ps -e | grep blah [08:41] <Razor-X> dunno why you should use aux to grep [08:41] <hyphenated> I use fuser /path/to/program to get pids [08:41] <Razor-X> -e is the nicest to grep, IMO ;) [08:42] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: it's good for lazy typists like me ;) [08:42] <thoreauputic> pgrep i mean [08:42] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: or, you can make an alias ;) [08:42] <Amaranth> rob^: i think you wanted info :) [08:42] <Razor-X> I think I shall [08:42] <Amaranth> !info beep-media-player [08:42] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: true [08:42] <ubotu> beep-media-player: (Versatile audio player that supports Winamp skins), section universe/sound, is optional. Version: 0.9.7-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 893 kB, Installed size: 3712 kB [08:42] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: ZSH kicks ass ;) [08:42] <rob^> Amaranth, no someone else did, I just finished writing a guide for it [08:42] <Amaranth> rob^: I mean the !info command :) [08:43] <Computer__Guru> okay, i decided to check out python.. im using boa constructor, and i LOVE how it works.. the question that I have is this: Is the a way to use pyGTK instead of wxPython? wxPython is hideous [08:43] <rob^> Amaranth, yeah I know that one.. someone asked me about the guide earlier [08:43] <ToRTuReD_X> rob [08:44] <ToRTuReD_X> how ya goin mate? [08:44] <Razor-X> beep-media-player needs a guide? ;) [08:44] <ricosuave17> nop it needs a beep [08:44] <Razor-X> I'm one of the few programmers (I think) that likes to write verbose documentation ;) [08:45] <{Phoinix}> Hello, I'm having a great problem with my ubuntu system. Everything was well ,until i tried to install Vmware for linux. The installation was succesefully but now whenever i am issuing a sudo command in the shell the shell crashes... it does not respond to ctrl-c. Moreover i can't use synaptic and i can't use everything that needs root priveleges.. [08:45] <Razor-X> I think I should make some BASHPodder documentation [08:45] <bob2> {Phoinix}: surely vmware gives you support now you paid for their product? [08:45] <Razor-X> bob2: that's evil ;) [08:45] <poningru> jino: did it work? [08:45] <frank> is gaim still working? kopete just stopped working? [08:45] <bob2> no, loading binary only drivers into your kernel means only the binary driver supplier can help [08:46] <{Phoinix}> bob2, i didn't pay it ;-)... ANd i don't know if the problem come 100% from vmware [08:46] <Razor-X> bob2: because most people that use VMWare don't pay for it [08:46] <bob2> {Phoinix}: does thae problem recur if you don't load the modules? [08:46] <{Phoinix}> I haven't notice.. I'l try to delete the modules tha vmware uses an try again.. U think that the vmware modules caused the problem? [08:47] <bob2> you need to reboot before checking [08:47] <gpd> beware of pirated vmware... they somehow find your email address... [08:47] <gpd> why did xmms fork to bmp? politics? [08:48] <Razor-X> also, someone sorely needs to make a more efficient internet shorthand than netspeak [08:48] <bob2> I'd assume because the xmms people rightly considered it feature complete [08:48] <Razor-X> and make an in build parser for it [08:48] <bob2> all bmp does is use gtk and have less plugins [08:48] <Razor-X> s/in build/in-built/ [08:48] <Razor-X> netspeak is a mixture of goobledygook someone thought was needed one day.... [08:49] <Razor-X> anyone willing to discuss it with me in offtopic? [08:49] <{Phoinix}> bob2, if i unload the vmware modules and try? Must i reboot? [08:49] <Razor-X> {Phoinix}: one of the few instances, yes ;) [08:49] <bob2> {Phoinix}: of course [08:49] <bob2> the module has already crapped all over your kernel [08:49] <{Phoinix}> So vmware is a crappy program.. :-( [08:49] <IIIEars> Razor-X sry - IMHO IDM - grin [08:49] <frank> {Phoinix}: i had no problems with vmware. What version do you have? [08:50] <Razor-X> IIIEars: IDM? ;) [08:50] <Razor-X> my netspeak sucks [08:50] <{Phoinix}> frank, 5.. something [08:50] <bob2> {Phoinix}: no idea, but it's not in ubuntu, and no one but vmware can fix potetnail problems with it [08:50] <Razor-X> because I use none [08:50] <frank> build 13124? [08:50] <Razor-X> not even ``u'' [08:50] <Razor-X> which is pretty common [08:50] <Razor-X> that's why I suggest the inbuilt parses [08:50] <Razor-X> anyways, I don't want to clog the channel with what doesen't belong [08:50] <Razor-X> s/parses/parser/ [08:51] <{Phoinix}> bob2, is this is a common problem with vmware modules? [08:51] <bob2> I have no idea [08:51] <Razor-X> {Phoinix}: not many people use VMWare [08:51] <IIIEars> Razor-X - nice idea. - [08:51] <Razor-X> most use QEMU [08:51] <bob2> but really, it's proprietary software, you need support from the vendor [08:51] <{Phoinix}> QEMU.. i'll google it. Thanks [08:51] <bob2> there's little anyone else can do to fix it [08:51] <bob2> qemu isn't a replacement for vmware [08:51] <Razor-X> QEMU is free, which also means an IRC team for support [08:51] <{Phoinix}> But now.. priority no1 is to fix my ubuntu installation :-( [08:51] <Razor-X> bob2: but it's the closest [08:52] <Razor-X> speed-wise, anyways [08:52] <cs378> nice, gnome is much better than kde except for its look hmmm [08:52] <kozlyk> hey if i open up my xp computer for file sharing, is there anything in ubuntu i have to do to see the directories? [08:52] <bob2> kozlyk: places -> network in gnome [08:52] <IIIEars> cs378 - Gnome is nearly as customisable. [08:53] <kozlyk> bob2: i have done that and it shows the xp laptop but no directories [08:53] <cs378> IIIEars: yes it is, this is my 5 th day usin linux haha [08:53] <bob2> kozlyk: is the XP machine sharing any directories [08:53] <IIIEars> Welcome! :) [08:53] <kozlyk> yeah C and a 'share' directory [08:54] <DekaPink> How can I stop Ubuntu to stop trying to sync the clock with whatever when it's booting up since it never works anyway? ^^; [08:54] <cs378> brb, gonna test my wireless [08:54] <{Phoinix}> i tryied to uninstall sudo.. with apt-get remove sudo. but apt decided that it should uninstall a banch of other crussial programs along with it like gdm [08:54] <thoreauputic> DekaPink: ctrl-c or look at man update-rc.d [08:54] <drew> why would you uninstall sudo? o_O [08:54] <bob2> {Phoinix}: er, don't do that [08:55] <jino> Seveas, plz help me instaling an mp3 player [08:55] <IIIEars> 16,272 free apps available with apt-get/synaptic - more on the open source sites freshmeat.net and sourceforge [08:55] <jino> i have tried a lot [08:55] <{Phoinix}> bob2, ok.. i hope only deleting the modules and crapy vmware will solve the problem [08:55] <cafuego> It's good when the new VPN works right. [08:55] <frank> {Phoinix}: try to run the uninstall script [08:55] <cs378_> wow ubuntu wireless work out of the box, the kubuntu didnt work niceee hahaha [08:56] <shido> what can I use to graphically edit partitions under ubuntu? [08:56] <Razor-X> cs378_: did you reinstall? [08:56] <kozlyk> bob2: any ideas? I have C sharing and folder under it... [08:56] <{Phoinix}> frank, what script? Vmware script? [08:56] <frank> shido: gparted or qparted [08:56] <bob2> kozlyk: no, sorry [08:56] <thoreauputic> DekaPink: sorry I should have mentioned the process is ntpdate [08:56] <Razor-X> or did you just download Gnome, cs378_ ? [08:56] <frank> {Phoinix}: ill check to make sure it does exist :-) [08:57] <shido> thanks [08:57] <Razor-X> shido: qtparted is real nice [08:57] <shido> installing now [08:57] <cs378_> Razor-X: yes, i did a fresh install to ubuntu [08:57] <shido> done... [08:57] <ray_> anybody know how to change the background image for kdm? [08:57] <shido> qtparted? [08:57] <shido> ok, I'll install that, too [08:57] <Razor-X> cs378_: probably the version's gone up [08:57] <frank> {Phoinix}: sudo vmware-uninstall.pl [08:57] <Razor-X> shido: qparted isn't a package [08:57] <Razor-X> least, I don't think so [08:57] <jino> bob2, will u plz help [08:57] <{Phoinix}> frank.. I CAN"T USE sudo.. that's my problem [08:57] <Razor-X> nope [08:57] <DekaPink> thoreauputic, thanks. :D [08:57] <jino> i need mp3 player on linux [08:57] <bob2> jino: that's really annoying [08:57] <cs378_> Razor-X: maybe, after install, i did update 36 files i think [08:57] <bob2> jino: also, you didn't even read the FAQ [08:57] <shido> OOOh, thanks [08:58] <{Phoinix}> frank, I want to uninstall vmware and it's modules so that the sudo command will not crash anymore [08:58] <bob2> jino: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats [08:58] <Razor-X> cs378_: there's no difference between the two except the WM [08:58] <Micksa> bleagh. [08:58] <Razor-X> so, Wireless shouldn't work in one and not the other [08:58] <frank> {Phoinix}: you'll have to use a live cd or something probably [08:58] <Razor-X> {Phoinix}: unload the modules, restart, and uninstall [08:58] <cs378_> Razor-X: don kno, im a newbie, i just got lots of errors usin kde, hope gnome dont gives me error [08:58] <{Phoinix}> ok.. I hope i won't have to format :-((((( [08:59] <frank> Razor-X: but he can't use sudo [08:59] <Razor-X> cs378_: just saying, Credit given where Credit's due [08:59] <Razor-X> frank: ahhh hmmmm [08:59] <Razor-X> try a boot floppy [08:59] <tkiesel> What's up Micksa? [08:59] <La_PaRCa> Hey. I am trying to setup xchat to use tor via privoxy but its not working. What are the steps I need to take? [08:59] <{Phoinix}> I am lucky.. because i have activated the root password before the problem appeared. With sudo passwd root!! :-) [08:59] <mebaran> hey [09:00] <{Phoinix}> And i can use su [09:00] <shido> i like gparted [09:00] <mebaran> could anyone help me setup my Via Envy Onboard Sound? [09:00] <shido> a lot! [09:00] <frank> {Phoinix}: oh great! [09:00] <Razor-X> shido: qtparted is much better [09:00] <Razor-X> gparted is pretty old [09:00] <cs378_> Razor-X: thx again, u were a great help b4 while i was usin kde hehe [09:00] <frank> {Phoinix}: then you can run the uninstall script [09:00] <Razor-X> cs378_: heh [09:00] <shido> I finally got my first sata drive [09:00] <Razor-X> well, like I said, i'm a KDE user through and through (when I use a GUI) [09:00] <tkiesel> La_PaRCa: Have you tried setting the proxy up in X-Chat's network settings? [09:00] <kozlyk> bob2: would ubuntu have difficulties accessing a xp drive with NTFS? [09:00] <{Phoinix}> ok frank , i 'l try it !!! thanks [09:00] <shido> and wanted to move my xp partition to it [09:00] <shido> but decided... screw xp [09:00] <bob2> kozlyk: read-only? no. [09:00] <Razor-X> kozlyk: it can read and execute, but not write [09:01] <mebaran> I dont know why it isnt making dev/dsp [09:01] <mebaran> it loads a module [09:01] <mebaran> but I dont know what the module shouldbe [09:01] <mebaran> Via Envy [09:01] <bob2> kozlyk: if you mean over smb, of course not, it doesn't know or care what filesystem the underlying drive is [09:01] <mebaran> Via Envy 24PT to be exact [09:01] <bob2> mebaran: so, you googled and found nothing? [09:01] <kozlyk> i can send files no problem via samba from xp to ubuntu [09:01] <{Phoinix}> The irony is that vmware worls perfectly.... lol. But it tottaly messed up my system [09:01] <lool> quitte: yes? [09:02] <kozlyk> just i can only see the xp computer on the ubuntu network window [09:02] <bob2> thats not irony, it's a bug [09:02] <kozlyk> no drives [09:02] <frank> {Phoinix}: that is really strange. vmware worked fine for me in ubuntu and kubuntu [09:02] <mebaran> eh that is a good idea [09:02] <Razor-X> mebaran: ;) [09:02] <Razor-X> frank: wow, you're rich ;) [09:02] <La_PaRCa> tkiesel, yes, but when I do, I cant get a connection, and I dont even see a request in privoxy [09:03] <Razor-X> Windows gives me headaches nowadays :( [09:03] <frank> Razor-X: oh yes... ;-) [09:03] <mebaran> Razor-X, me too [09:03] <mebaran> (devices that arent files ... bah) [09:03] <Razor-X> mebaran: for most, it's the other way 'round ;) [09:03] <tkiesel> La_PaRCa: Do you have any otehr applications successfully using Privoxy to reach Tor? [09:03] <kozlyk> just says it can't display all the contents of that computer [09:03] <Madpilot> Razor-X: heh [09:03] <La_PaRCa> tkiesel, yes, firefox [09:03] <{Phoinix}> frank, i don't know.. The system worked fine before the vmware installation.. Maybe the problem appeared because i have altered the ubuntu kernel with one from kernel.org. Vannilla [09:03] <tkiesel> La_PaRCa: And equivalent settings in X-Chat don't work? [09:04] <mebaran> Razor-X, and automounting sucks! [09:04] <Razor-X> mebaran: totally [09:04] <Razor-X> and their GUI sucks ass [09:04] <frank> {Phoinix}: did your kernel headers match the running kernel?? [09:04] <Razor-X> even 9wm is superior to the Windows GUI [09:04] <mebaran> ok it loads the correct module [09:04] <mebaran> ice1724 [09:04] <La_PaRCa> tkiesel, I have tried with host:127.0.0.1 port:8118 type:HTTP and it didnt work [09:04] <{Phoinix}> frank, Yes [09:04] <nJess> question: can linux see that i am pressing the bluetooth button on my laptop, if when i press it, it lights up, and if so, how can i check? [09:04] <c0al> If i want to disable a service that is in /etc/init.d/ - should i just delete the file or is there a better way to do it? [09:05] <tkiesel> La_PaRCa: Is Privoxy only configured to use certain ports, either inbound or outbound? (Like say, port 80 for web browsing) [09:05] <mebaran> but it doesnt make the /dev/dsp [09:05] <bob2> nJess: highly machine-specific [09:05] <bob2> nJess: it might just be hardware physically detaching the BT module from the machine [09:05] <thoreauputic> c0al: man update-rc.d [09:05] <nJess> well, is there anyway to tell if linux is registering a keypress? [09:05] <La_PaRCa> tkiesel, um, not sure... it is using the default configuration [09:05] <c0al> thoreauputic, thanks much! :) [09:05] <bob2> nJess: try 'tail -f /var/log/messages' while doing it [09:05] <frank> {Phoinix}: could it be that vmware still made a mistake. Or maybe the kernel you have is too new and vmware's modules don't work well with it [09:05] <tkiesel> Hrrrrrm. [09:05] <bob2> nJess: it would be unlikely yo be a keypress [09:05] <nJess> bob2, when i press it in windows, i get an error on screen telling me i have no bluetooth device to enable [09:05] <bob2> it might be an acpi event [09:05] <nJess> so what would that be? [09:06] <mebaran> so bob2 how do I make udev make /dev/dsp [09:06] <{Phoinix}> frank, it's 2.6.12.2 [09:06] <bob2> again, depends [09:06] <bob2> mebaran: by loading the right module [09:06] <shido> anyone used cedega for ubuntu? [09:06] <mebaran> bob2, I think the module is loade [09:06] <{Phoinix}> frank, it's new :-) [09:06] <mebaran> d [09:06] <shido> from transgaming.com [09:06] <mebaran> google says it is ice1724 [09:06] <frank> {Phoinix}: maybe vmware doesn't work well with 2.6.12... [09:06] <mebaran> and I have snd_ice1724 [09:06] <{Phoinix}> nayby... [09:06] <{Phoinix}> mayby.. [09:06] <mebaran> I think alsa is misconfigured [09:07] <bob2> mebaran: I think it isn't [09:07] <{Phoinix}> shido, i have.. but i wish i didn't [09:07] <nJess> bob2, can i pm you? [09:07] <bob2> nJess: are you going to give me money? [09:07] <frank> {Phoinix}: oh well, you brought this on yourself, most likely. :) [09:07] <bob2> I don't know anything else to suggest, sorry [09:07] <nJess> bob2, probably not :) [09:07] <bob2> aside from doing lots of googling and asking on the acpi list [09:07] <tkiesel> La_PaRCa: Have you tried setting the type of proxy in X-Chat to somethign other than HTTP? I'm reading a howto here that I grabbed off of Google, and I think they're using an irc client through Privoxy.. type Socks4.. or 5 [09:07] <nJess> i want to pm you my console output when i pressed that button [09:08] <{Phoinix}> frant ;-) shido, u can find it in amule, or a lot of torrrent sites ;-) [09:08] <bob2> nJess: #flood [09:08] <{Phoinix}> frank ;-) shido, u can find it in amule, or a lot of torrrent sites ;-) [09:08] <bob2> warez is off-topic [09:08] <{Phoinix}> sorry,,, [09:08] <bob2> with a zero tolerance policy, sorry [09:08] <bob2> nJess: it's a keypress then [09:08] <La_PaRCa> tkiesel, when I use HTTP it returns a 403 error, when I use any of the other types it just times out [09:08] <tkiesel> La_PaRCa: Check this out. "The rule of thumb is that if the program uses web protocols have it connect via port 8118 to use Privoxy, if it doesn't have it connect as if to a Socks4 application proxy on port 9050." [09:09] <nJess> bob2, so that means i can set it to do something? [09:09] <tkiesel> La_PaRCa: Different port. [09:09] <bob2> nJess: yes, but it may not be simple [09:09] <bob2> ie X doesn't have a key symbol for it [09:09] <root> La_PaRCa: tkiesel: tor? [09:09] <nJess> what if i simply want the key to launch a program? [09:09] <mebaran> bob2, what do you recommend I do [09:10] <mebaran> it looks like the right module is loaded [09:10] <Razor-X> nJess: load xev in a Terminal [09:10] <Razor-X> press the button [09:10] <La_PaRCa> root, yeah [09:10] <Razor-X> and see if anything happens [09:10] <tkiesel> root: X-Chat -> Privoxy -> Tor I believe.. Maybe. [09:10] <bob2> mebaran: you know alsa hardware modules don't produce /dev/dsp, right? [09:10] <nJess> Razor-X, i already know it registers as a keypress [09:10] <mebaran> bob2, actually no [09:10] <mebaran> I did not [09:10] <root> La_PaRCa: tkiesel #tor can help [09:10] <bob2> mebaran: do you have snd_pcm_oss loaded? [09:10] <Razor-X> nJess: then you bind it [09:10] <La_PaRCa> tkiesel, if I use 9050 I am not going thru privoxy... which kinda makes sense [09:10] <GudyUbuntu> hi, should I be able to play mp3 tracks out of the box? or is there something I need to install? [09:10] <Razor-X> you can use your terminal to bind it, your shell, whatever [09:11] <mebaran> bob2, yep, according to lsmod it's there [09:11] <tkiesel> La_PaRCa: Ahh. Interesting. Hmm. [09:11] <Razor-X> I believe screen can bind it too [09:11] <GammaRay> do any gtk1 apps use fontconfig? [09:11] <ToRTuReD_X> guys [09:11] <Razor-X> !tell GudyUbuntu about restrictedformats [09:11] <bob2> GudyUbuntu: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats [09:11] <ToRTuReD_X> cedega just asked for my cvs password [09:11] <bob2> GudyUbuntu: which is linked from the FAQ [09:11] <ToRTuReD_X> what is it? [09:11] <bob2> ToRTuReD_X: #cedega [09:11] <tkiesel> La_PaRCa: Here's the document I'm checking out. Maybe it has info you can use? http://www.jgmnet.org/torfaq.html [09:11] <bob2> (hit enter) [09:11] <Razor-X> ToRTuReD_X: if you're using anonymous, it's probably blang [09:12] <Computer__Guru> what's the package that builds using pygtk? [09:12] <mebaran> bob2, so where to next [09:12] <Computer__Guru> and how does it compare to boa? [09:12] <bob2> your question is wrong, but python2.4-gtk2 [09:12] <mebaran> I also have snd_ac97_codec [09:13] <bob2> mebaran: good luck [09:13] <mebaran> bob2... arg [09:13] <Computer__Guru> bob2: i meant what ide-package [09:13] <bob2> Computer__Guru: there is no ide [09:13] <GammaRay> do apps typically directly link against freetype? because ldd /usr/bin | grep freetype gives me nothing. [09:13] <GammaRay> ldd /usr/bin/* rather [09:13] <Computer__Guru> bob2: ill scroll back and see what you said, nevermind [09:13] <bob2> Computer__Guru: you use glade-2 to produce the xml file, then you have your pygtk program load that [09:14] <Computer__Guru> huh [09:14] <Computer__Guru> so its not an ide [09:14] <bob2> correct [09:14] <bob2> you seem very IDE-focused for some reason [09:14] <oatis> how the hell can I exit out of kde so that I can install my nvidia driver? (it requires me to quit kde) [09:14] <bob2> GammaRay: firefox does [09:14] <bob2> oatis: no, it doesn't, the instructions are wrong [09:15] <Computer__Guru> because i *like* ide's.. especially intuitive ones [09:15] <bob2> oatis: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto [09:15] <bob2> er [09:15] <bob2> how can you like IDEs in particular? have you used the visual basic 3 one? [09:15] <bob2> anyway, find a nice editor and use glade-2 [09:15] <oatis> okay well the installation script is asking me to quit, it will not let me go any further [09:15] <bob2> oatis: so, read that URL [09:15] <bob2> it's far easier than wxwindows [09:15] <frank> oatis: ctrl -alt delete [09:15] <frank> oatis: its the official drivers? [09:16] <frank> oatis: you can use synaptic, you know? [09:16] <LED_scorched> is there a program out there for IMing inside ones LAN? [09:16] <parca_> Hello. Why do you have people using Tor banned from the channel? [09:16] <oatis> frank, no I didn't realize that, thanks [09:16] <IIIEars> bob2 - can i read a connection log in real time by using the "tail -f /path/to/net_file - Which file would i tail? [09:16] <Computer__Guru> bob2: i like boa constructor.. can i use that to create apps then use glade-2 to apply pygtk? sorry to ask so many questions.. im treading new ground here.. but i have a couple of apps, i reallyw ant to put together [09:17] <bob2> IIIEars: no, you can't [09:17] <bob2> IIIEars: tcpdump is probably what you want [09:17] <IIIEars> bob2 - thanks :) [09:17] <bob2> Computer__Guru: no, boa constructor is for wxwidgets [09:17] <ricosuave17> how can i change gnomes window manager? [09:17] <bob2> Computer__Guru: if you like the code editor so much, you could of course use that [09:17] <IIIEars> Ah great - next stop tldp.org. :) [09:17] <LED_scorched> is there a program out there for IMing inside ones LAN? [09:18] <zerboxx> ricosuave17: Do you mean to change metacity to openbox? [09:18] <c0al> LED_scorched, linpopup [09:18] <bob2> IIIEars: if the data flow isn't too big, "sudo tcpdump -i eth0" in a big terminal is enough to get started [09:18] <c0al> and it can IM between windows boxes that have winpopup [09:18] <Computer__Guru> no, i like that it builds the way it does. the properties inspector, the drag and drop for buttons, etc.. what I would like is an ide like that for pygtk.. does such a thing exist? [09:18] <cafuego> What is intuituve about IDEs anyway? [09:18] <bob2> Computer__Guru: have you even looked at glade-2 yet? [09:18] <tkiesel> LED_scorched: I haven't a clue. I'd imagine there's something like that available though. You might try searching for intranet IM programs. You can run your own Jabber server on your LAN and use that, which might be the best solution. [09:18] <cafuego> if they were intuitive you wouldn't need all that GUI help shite [09:18] <bob2> Computer__Guru: go try it instead of complaining about missing features [09:18] <ricosuave17> yeap yeap zerboxx [09:18] <bob2> Computer__Guru: it's a full gui designer [09:19] <zerboxx> ricosuave17: Is that exactly it? or were you planning on using something else? [09:19] <GammaRay> This is driving me nuts. No matter what I do I just can't get good looking non anti-aliased fonts(the MS ones). On all my other ubuntu boxes all I have to do is dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig and pick the use of the bytecode interperer. But this one box where I installed using the "server/low end" install, I just can't get it working. I've even installed freetype from source in /opt manually uncommenting a #define in freetype and [09:19] <ricosuave17> i had downloaded openbox and i didnt know what to do with but i read a tutorial and it said i can change gnomes window manager [09:20] <zerboxx> ricosuave17: Alright, I just did that yesterday :) [09:20] <resiak> GammaRay: Truncated at "uncommenting a #define in freetype and" [09:20] <ricosuave17> is openbox nice? [09:20] <zerboxx> ricosuave17: I love it so far :D [09:20] <cafuego> ricosuave17: try it and see [09:20] <GammaRay> resiak: odd.. I see it all here [09:21] <resiak> GammaRay: Right... because you see what your client sent, which was above the IRCnet's length limit. [09:21] <GammaRay> bah [09:21] <ricosuave17> ok i have openbox downloaded how do i install it over gnome? [09:21] <zerboxx> ricosuave17: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34239 [09:21] <tkiesel> GammaRay: Is the bytecode interpreter superior to autohinting? [09:21] <steven> hello [09:22] <zerboxx> steven: Hi [09:22] <benplaut> ricosauce17: openbox -replace & [09:22] <steven> how do i fix that bug in firefox [09:22] <GammaRay> what I said: I've even installed freetype from source in /opt manually uncommenting a #define in freetype and running export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/lib before running any apps(IE dillo). [09:22] <zerboxx> steven: "that bug"? [09:22] <benplaut> steven: which one? [09:22] <steven> the one that doesnt let u download anything and says theres an xml error [09:22] <GammaRay> tkiesel: if you disable AA and use the MS fonts certainly [09:23] <bob2> steven: restart it [09:23] <zerboxx> ricosuave17: openbox doesn't install over gnome, it runs with gnome. You use it (or at least I do) instead of metacity, so ubuntu looks the same, but it gives you a few more features [09:23] <bob2> it's a known bug that it dislikes being upgraded while running [09:23] <Computer__Guru> this glade thing looks pretty nice [09:24] <GammaRay> resiak: but ldd dillo does not even list libfreetype[version] .so which is another thing I'm wondering about [09:24] <steven> o wow thanks [09:24] <bob2> Computer__Guru: so, yo udesign the whole gui with that, and then write code however you like [09:25] <jasoncohen> if anyone is having problems with mplayer or mozilla-mplayer where mplayer appears to freeze up, you might find that the reason is due to ALSA. you need to follow this howto - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 [09:25] <Slipjack> Does anyone know what the hosts file is (in either Windows or Linux?) [09:25] <Computer__Guru> bob2: i can live with that :D [09:25] <ricosuave17> well it was simple to install [09:26] <niran> Slipjack, /etc/hosts [09:26] <GammaRay> Slipjack: man hosts [09:26] <niran> Slipjack, or do you mean like... what it actually is? [09:26] <jasoncohen> ubotu mplayer is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 [09:26] <Slipjack> Ah, thanks. [09:26] <ubotu> ...but mplayer is already something else... [09:26] <Computer__Guru> bob2: according to the docs, it only does ada, c, and c++ [09:26] <jasoncohen> ubotu mplayer is broken is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 [09:26] <ubotu> ...but mplayer is already something else... [09:26] <Computer__Guru> ah [09:26] <jasoncohen> ubotu "mplayer is broken" is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 [09:26] <ubotu> okay, jasoncohen [09:26] <Computer__Guru> i have it generate the xml for pygtk [09:26] <bob2> Computer__Guru: it can only generate code for those languages [09:26] <Slipjack> niran: No I know what it is. My question was going to lead to WHERE it was. You answer me. Thanks [09:26] <bob2> Computer__Guru: right [09:26] <bob2> Computer__Guru: generating gui code is nasty anyway, even for C ;) [09:26] <Computer__Guru> ya know what would work better... [09:27] <jasoncohen> anyone know why mozilla-mplayer switches desktops when going fullscreen or when closing out the window [09:27] <GammaRay> Slipjack: you said *what* (-; [09:27] <Computer__Guru> do you happen to have a tutorial site? [09:27] <ricosuave17> and its also funny [09:27] <GammaRay> Slipjack: and in windows it's in /windows/system32, I think [09:27] <Computer__Guru> and is there anything that does this for kde/qt?? [09:28] <bob2> Computer__Guru: www.pygtk.org [09:28] <Computer__Guru> okay, tyvm, bob2 [09:28] <Slipjack> GammaRay: Right, the reason I ask is because I have a Windows app that manages the hosts file. Was thinking of porting to Linux since I'm getting back into it. [09:29] <tkiesel> Slipjack: in the Windows\system32\drivers directory perhaps. [09:29] <GammaRay> I refuse to type those horrible backslashs [09:30] <Slipjack> WindowsXP: windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts [09:30] <niran> Slipjack, unnecessary. the network configuration applet manages the hosts file [09:30] <GammaRay> so.... backwords [09:30] <niran> in gnome [09:30] <tkiesel> GammaRay: lol. \\\! Beware! [09:30] <IIIEars> !alsa [09:30] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, IIIEars [09:30] <IIIEars> !esd [09:30] <ubotu> from memory, esd is Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously. [09:30] <niran> Slipjack, er... not applet. it's in the system menu [09:31] <mebaran> i am getting an invalid card number [09:31] <Slipjack> niran: Understood. My program extends the capabilities of the Hosts file. Adds addresses to it from Firefox bookmarks, allows for blocked hosts, etc. [09:31] <jino> hi all [09:31] <niran> Slipjack, oh, i see. carry on then [09:31] <tkiesel> Hi jino. :) [09:32] <jino> my xservr doesnt start automaticaly [09:32] <Slipjack> niran: Okay! :) [09:32] <jino> how do i configure [09:32] <niran> Slipjack, i don't see why you'd want to add addresses from firefox bookmarks though... what advantage would that give you? [09:32] <Slipjack> niran: Skipping remote DNS lookups. [09:33] <jino> Seaveas, how do i set my xserver to start by itson [09:33] <GammaRay> jino: installing gdm will probably do it [09:33] <Slipjack> niran: A lot of the time while I'm waiting for a site to load it's looking up the IP at peak hours. [09:33] <jino> wats gdm [09:33] <mebaran> I am getting an invalid card number when Alsa starts up [09:33] <salil> has anyone ever used phone manager...?? [09:33] <jino> and where can i do it [09:33] <mebaran> it is a Via Envy 24PT [09:33] <GammaRay> jino: login screen. [09:33] <tkiesel> niran: Maybe things like typing in short mnemonics for oft-accessed hosts. (Putting it in the hosts file lets you do this anywhere, not just in one app). [09:33] <mebaran> what can I do [09:33] <GammaRay> jino: sudo apt-get install gdm [09:34] <Slipjack> tkiesel: Yes, another good use for it. [09:34] <IIIEars> ubotu alsa is also http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 [09:35] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars [09:35] <tkiesel> I administrate the webserver at work. I can login to it with 'ssh web' rather than ssh some.ip.number.here Heehee. [09:35] <salil> has anyone used phone manager..?? [09:35] <Slipjack> niran: If you want to see what the benefits of my Windows version does I can give you the address. Sadly it's on geocities right now but might move to sourceforge soon. [09:36] <Slipjack> Ah, yeah. I use the hosts file for all kinds of shortcuts like that. Alongside of ad blocking. [09:37] <salil> help me.. somebody [09:38] <GammaRay> salil: fallen and can't get up? [09:38] <Slipjack> salil: Sorry, never used it. [09:38] <mebaran> alsa is passing an invalid card number to amixer [09:38] <mebaran> how do I find out the number of my card [09:38] <salil> GammaRay: what..?? [09:38] <GammaRay> someone get the paddle... salil has tipped again [09:38] <ricosuave17> can i polz get taht tutorial page again [09:38] <salil> GammaRay: what're you talking about? [09:39] <Slipjack> Hmm... [09:39] <Razor-X> hmmmm [09:39] <mebaran> Razor-X, do you have any ideas how to fix my sound [09:39] <mebaran> this is confusing me [09:39] <ricosuave17> nvm god bless opera [09:39] <mebaran> I have all the correct drivers I thought [09:39] <Razor-X> in ZSH, if I say if [[$TERM = 'dumb'] ] ; then; print yes; fi [09:39] <GammaRay> salil: it's up to interpretation [09:39] <Razor-X> why do I get the error zsh: bad pattern: [[dumb ? [09:39] <mebaran> I have all the modules [09:39] <salil> GammaRay: you're talking nonsense [09:39] <mebaran> the correct ones are loaded [09:40] <GammaRay> salil: and that's one [09:40] <salil> GammaRay: i just need some help. with a little something [09:40] <mebaran> but alsa does not set it up [09:40] <Octane> I went ahead and built three packages on my own (using apt-build) yet apt-get keeps whining about me needing to upgrade it, how do i add these packages to an ignore list? [09:40] <mebaran> any ideas, or anyone successfully running a VIA Envy 24PT [09:40] <mebaran> the Ubuntu device managers picks it up [09:40] <Slipjack> salil: He's just messing with you. He basically means he's never used it either. [09:40] <GammaRay> salil: so that means you are upright and stable, right? [09:40] <salil> Slipjack: then its alright [09:41] <tkiesel> mebaran: I wish I could help. I haven't had any problems with Ubuntu detecting my card. [09:41] <Razor-X> mebaran: what's the sound problem? [09:41] <dinesh> hi [09:41] <mebaran> Razor-X, no /dev/dsp [09:41] <tkiesel> mebaran: Now.. are you getting sound out of ESD? [09:41] <mebaran> I dont have /dev/dsp [09:41] <mebaran> that is the problem [09:41] <dinesh> am trying to install real player on hoary... [09:41] <mebaran> the modules load [09:41] <mebaran> but udev isnt making the correct device [09:41] <dinesh> no luck so far... [09:41] <dinesh> can someone pls help [09:41] <mebaran> I think I will reinstall [09:41] <cute_bettong> so um is breezy ready for use? [09:41] <mebaran> Fedora Core worked .... [09:42] <cute_bettong> yet [09:42] <GammaRay> mebaran: if you make it manually does it work? [09:42] <Slipjack> Anyone have a list of commands for IRC? I seem to have forgotten them all. Such as /nick [09:42] <mebaran> GammaRay, I've never made a sound device [09:42] <mebaran> normally alsa does all the work [09:42] <cute_bettong> brb [09:42] <Goshawk> Slipjack, do /help [09:42] <Slipjack> I'll be a son of a.... thanks [09:42] <tkiesel> cute_bettong: Unless you're really really needing to be on the cutting edge, and are willing to put up with bugs and problems that need fixing, I'd say wait a lil bit on Breezy. [09:43] <cute_bettong> kk thanx [09:43] <mebaran> I'm going to dll the real ubuntu [09:43] <mebaran> Kubuntu isnt as well organized [09:43] <mebaran> yet .... [09:43] <GammaRay> mebaran: see Documentation/devices.txt in the linux source [09:43] <GammaRay> mebaran: and man mknod [09:43] <cute_bettong> <---= ChurcH_of_FoamY ^_^ [09:44] <mebaran> GammaRay, what is the major and minor for onboard sound? [09:44] <Slipjack> Ah that's right. [09:44] <mebaran> I now how to make a device [09:45] <mebaran> maybe I shoudl go to the BSD [09:45] <ricosuave17> does any one how i could have openbox but not have .openbox in my config files? [09:45] <Slipjack> I feel bad. I haven't used IRC since 1997. I haven't used Linux for over a year since yesterday (a lot of good that Linux+ certification did me). [09:45] <IIIEars> WB thor. [09:46] <nJess> Slipjack, welcome back [09:46] <nJess> :D [09:46] <ModestCargo> Hey all. [09:46] <Slipjack> nJess Thanks! Hah. Sorry I sold out to Microsoft. I swear I don't have Windows installed this time. [09:46] <ModestCargo> Does ubuntu come with the 2.6 kernel? [09:46] <Slipjack> Yeah. [09:46] <ModestCargo> cooo. [09:47] <ModestCargo> cool* [09:47] <Slipjack> 2.6.10 I think? [09:47] <nJess> Slipjack, thats not a problem, some times you NEED windows [09:47] <nJess> and there ARE things it is better for [09:47] <mebaran> nJess, like when :p [09:47] <Slipjack> nJess: Gaming... [09:47] <Slipjack> And that's about it. [09:47] <Madpilot> getting viruses [09:47] <ModestCargo> okay, ive been a slack user for a while now... [09:47] <ModestCargo> whats the debian system like for updating as opposed to tgz? [09:47] <nJess> Madpilot, that is a myth actually [09:47] <ModestCargo> debian/ubuntu * [09:48] <GammaRay> mebaran: char 14 3 works here [09:48] <nJess> i have a windows box, on the net, no viruses, ever [09:48] <nJess> ModestCargo, .deb packages [09:48] <nJess> think rpm, but better [09:48] <ModestCargo> ok.. [09:48] <ModestCargo> cool.. [09:48] <Slipjack> ModestCargo: It's incredible so far. Been using it for only a day but man... the package manager is the best there is. [09:48] <Madpilot> nJess: windows virii are mythical? ;) actually, I went 5+ yrs with no virii myself w/ 98 & XP [09:48] <ModestCargo> i think i might switch hehe but the thing is, [09:48] <Slipjack> I will never type ./config, make, make install -- or so it seems. [09:48] <ModestCargo> ah never mind haha [09:48] <GammaRay> mebaran: I think it should be the same for all [09:49] <nJess> Madpilot, the myth is that windows WILL get a virus [09:49] <mebaran> GammaRay, worth a shot [09:49] <ModestCargo> see yall later [09:49] <Slipjack> ModestCargo: The install process took me 32 minutes for Ubuntu. Defintely try it. [09:49] <Slipjack> Blah. [09:49] <Slipjack> Back to the subject. I'm more concerned about spyware with Windows. [09:49] <cute_bettong> has a windows partition for one game and it's got a virus >.< [09:50] <Slipjack> Not so much viruses. AdAware has scanned 150 times since I last installed it and found 12,000 items. Not good. [09:50] <IIIEars> off-topic - windows functional with only 2 two services running. - slashdot today [09:51] <thoreauputic> 12,000 items ? OMG :( [09:51] <Slipjack> Yeah, 12,000. Well, in fairness I was using IE at the time. When I installed Firefox I barely needed AdAware. [09:51] <cute_bettong> it's m$ what do you want [09:52] <Slipjack> But still. Spyware was a problem even WITH Firefox. [09:52] <nJess> Slipjack, the most amusing thing, i think, is people hating microsoft because they have alot of money and market share [09:52] <nJess> jealousy monster :P [09:52] <IIIEars> there is really no point in a lot of security software for windows. most is circumvented using buffer overruns. [09:53] <cute_bettong> in my win install i broke the file protection system for the os then removed all the spyware ie,internet explorer,windows messenger, and port 80 connectivity and win media player [09:53] <thoreauputic> Slipjack: the thing that amazes me utterly is that people keep buying MS stuff - it's like a form of mental illness to keep on buying products that manifestly are terrible [09:53] <Slipjack> nJess: That bothers me to an extent. More of what they did to make that money, than that they actually have it. [09:53] <nJess> thoreauputic, i don't really see a problem with windows, i mean, i keep my system protected [09:53] <IIIEars> If they are aiming at your system they are going to hit it. [09:53] <Madpilot> also on the Win front: so much for MS's latest anti-piracy attempt: http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/28/microsoft_genuine_ad.html [09:53] <nJess> at this time, i only have one computer with windows [09:54] <cute_bettong> it's just not worth paying for crappy proggraming [09:54] <GammaRay> IIIEars: that's assuming you use windows as a server. [09:54] <bob2> as above, software copyrithg infringement is off-topic [09:54] <Slipjack> thoreauputic: Definitely. I'll admit it, I've never bought an MS product other than my XBOX. All versions of Windows I've ever had were stolen. The recent blocking of software updates from invalid product keys forced my return to Linux. [09:54] <cute_bettong> although if ubuntu ever started charging a fee i would pay for it ^_^ [09:54] <thoreauputic> nJess: the problem is thet this company's incompetence has infested the net with viruses and malware [09:54] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: we've been installing BSD/KDE desktops at work, and when I tell co-workers that it acts differently because it's not Windows, they look at me like I've grown a second head... [09:55] <Madpilot> computer = Windows, for most ppl... [09:55] <cute_bettong> that and they can't make decent apps and os's that don't crash and don't cost a bundle [09:55] <eno> can I change a setting so that you have to supply root password to shut down? [09:55] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: i know - the ignorance is staggering: and MS keeps it going with "special deals" for schools etc [09:56] <bob2> eno: probably, but why bother? [09:56] <Slipjack> cute_bettong: Mostly because they don't care. They know people will buy. And they do. [09:56] <bob2> eno: anyone in front of the machine could just hit the power button [09:56] <cute_bettong> i know isen't it sad [09:56] <eno> so my girlfriend wont turn my computer off :P [09:56] <Madpilot> special deals for libraries, in the case of my work... [09:56] <Slipjack> Very. [09:56] <IIIEars> nah - windows is just too popular for it's own good. a single product with 90% of consumers using it. - the money for hackers virii writers is there. [09:57] <GammaRay> IIIEars: virii.. no such word :-P [09:57] <Slipjack> IMO, the growth of Linux is at a sharp turning point right now. Pirated copies of Windows can no longer be updated via Windows Update or the KB. [09:57] <nJess> true, the reason windows has had so many bugs found in it is the market penetration [09:57] <IIIEars> GammaRay - you are right too much time spent on the 'net. netspeak [09:58] <Slipjack> Anyone with a pirated copy of Windows, who feels anything like we do about paying for MS products, will turn to an alternative OS. [09:58] <shawarma> GammaRay: What would you say instead? [09:58] <cute_bettong> linux has bugs too but there fixed really really quickly cause of it's open source nature [09:58] <cute_bettong> and to me thats awsome [09:58] <Slipjack> cute_bettong: Long live open source. [09:58] <Madpilot> Slipjack: that's exactly why I'm here on #ubuntu... ;) [09:58] <GammaRay> shawarma: viruses.. the plural of virus [09:58] <cute_bettong> there are no questions has to whats in the code [09:58] <thoreauputic> nJess: i've heard that put forward often, but it ignores the inherent design and policy flaws that make the situation even worse [09:58] <kamstrup> GammaRay: vira [09:59] <cute_bettong> and opensource rocks [09:59] <cute_bettong> ^_^ [09:59] <kamstrup> GammaRay: -- would be the correct [09:59] <IIIEars> slipjack - the recent M$ online validator (java app) was cracked in less than 24 hours. [09:59] <GammaRay> kamstrup: an old girlfriend? [09:59] <Slipjack> Madpilot: Me too. Just installed ubuntu today. Haven't used Linux in over a year. First time since 1998 where I didn't have a dual boot with Windows on my main system. [09:59] <kamstrup> GammaRay: ? [09:59] <nJess> thoreauputic, i know, but if you try, you can keep a windows box secure [09:59] <nJess> and i do like windows for alot of things [09:59] <shawarma> GammaRay: The thing is that there is no latin text available anywhere that uses the word vius in plural, so noone really knows how it's conjugated.. It could be vira og viri.. Where the extra 'i' comes from in h4x0r-speak, I don't know. [09:59] <nJess> hardware support [09:59] <nJess> and games [09:59] <cute_bettong> yea you have to try really really hard [09:59] <cute_bettong> like not connect it to the internet [10:00] <Slipjack> IIIEars: Really? Ah well. I don't know how long it will suffice. If Microsoft will fix anything it'll be that. Besides, it's one more reason to make a switch to an alternate os. [10:00] <shawarma> GammaRay: It's viruses in English? Hmm.. Didn't know that. [10:00] <kamstrup> shawarma: are you sure about that? My parents in law are doctors and they say vira [10:00] <cute_bettong> cause even if you think you got your windows box secure theres a 15 year old out there that can show you other wize [10:00] <Madpilot> when this was an XP box, securing it took a CD full of programs and about six hours. With Ubuntu, we did *nothing*... [10:00] <enyc_> 'heh.. ubuntu (sensibly) doesnt open any listening sockets on the network 'by default'... [10:00] <nJess> cute_bettong, i used to be that 15 year old [10:00] <nJess> i know a thing or two about securing windows [10:00] <cute_bettong> lol thats awsome [10:00] <enyc_> which means a whole class of attacks are 'not applicable' out-of-thebox [10:01] <shawarma> kamstrup: That's the most common way, yes, but in fact, there's no way to know what a native latin speaker would have said it, as there is no written documentation for any plural forms of the word. [10:01] <Slipjack> Madpilot: My only security right now other than what came with Ubuntu is my router's firewall. [10:01] <GammaRay> kamstrup,shawarma: http://dictionary.reference.com/help/faq/language/v/virus.html [10:01] <Slipjack> Where in Windows I had a full suite of stuff like you. [10:01] <thoreauputic> nJess: of course, but you have to turn somersaults to do it - like knowing about spybot and adaware, and using an antivirus (and understanding to update it) users shouldn't need to do this. Look at OS-X [10:01] <IIIEars> Madpilot - "Disk Imaging" to an external USB drive. - much less than an hour even for USB 1 [10:01] <Madpilot> Slipjack: yeah, me too, until I installed a LAMP setup on this machine and started Firestarter up... [10:01] <kamstrup> shawarma: and there are no "native" latin speakers. Latin is artificial. [10:02] <Madpilot> IIIEars: assuming you've set up everything you're imaging first... [10:02] <kamstrup> shawarma: I know about the Vatican, but hey ;-P [10:02] <cute_bettong> i am a latin speaker [10:02] <enyc_> well its' a long sotry.. security against _what_ in _what_ environment [10:02] <shawarma> kamstrup: Latin was spoken in ancient Rome. [10:02] <nJess> thoreauputic, the point is, it is easy to use, and it CAN be made secure [10:02] <shawarma> kamstrup: That's why I said "would have said it". [10:02] <nJess> thats all that really matters [10:02] <kamstrup> shawarma: Yes, but was still a "made up" language [10:02] <enyc_> nb: lots of ubuntu users ahrdly add anything thats not from an ubuntu-provided signed package... [10:02] <Slipjack> IIIEars: And assuming you don't use that drive for something else because, really, how often do you reload everything? Although, we are talking about Windows here. :) [10:02] <cute_bettong> mica mica parva stella quanam systaem bella [10:03] <kamstrup> shawarma: Perhaps there was only one known virus in ancient rome :D [10:03] <cute_bettong> latin for twinkle twinkle little star [10:03] <ilba7r> any one know of easy to use front end for latex other than emacs, lyx and kile [10:03] <enyc_> no idea [10:03] <shawarma> kamstrup: What makes you say it was artificial? [10:03] <thoreauputic> nJess: right, and I can drive an old jalopy safely if I know a lot about car mechanics and engines and brakes - but I shouldn't need that level of knowledge to drive a car [10:03] <cute_bettong> and it not veni vidi vichi it's weni wedi wichi [10:04] <cute_bettong> the v is a miss pronounciation of the classic phrase [10:04] <nJess> thoreauputic, so? if that car has an 8 track player...and you have 8 track tapes [10:04] <thoreauputic> hahah [10:04] <nJess> thoreauputic, see what i mean? [10:05] <kamstrup> shawarma: Isn't latin a "constructed" language? Artificial was just the direct translation from the Danish term for such languages... [10:05] <nJess> you can put that player in a BMW [10:05] <nJess> but [10:05] <nJess> its easier to drive the pos [10:05] <cute_bettong> i still have a lazer disk player [10:05] <nJess> like windows, and games [10:05] <cute_bettong> you guys know what that is right? [10:05] <Slipjack> Vaguely. [10:05] <cute_bettong> a cd the size of a record [10:05] <Madpilot> yeah [10:05] <cute_bettong> an old record like the 72rpm ones >.< [10:06] <cute_bettong> i thought it was gonna be big tech when i bought it [10:06] <cute_bettong> and boy was i wrong >.< [10:06] <Madpilot> hey, they're selling vinyl again at my local record store... ;) [10:06] <Slipjack> Hah. My parents knew it wouldn't be. [10:06] <cute_bettong> awsome [10:07] <cute_bettong> i have like 4 movies for the damn thing [10:07] <Slipjack> They're selling vinyl at a few stores around here too. Weirdest thing I ever saw. [10:07] <cute_bettong> and it's retarded [10:07] <IIIEars> Seveas - Have you noticed a room full of content and happy Ubuntu Linux users? - doesn't often happen in #windows - wide grin [10:07] <Slipjack> I haven't seen vinyls in a store since I was a kid. [10:07] <nJess> Slipjack, clicks and pops are the best [10:07] <Madpilot> not just old records, either. newish stuff like Radiohead & the Chili Peppers... [10:07] <nJess> and i mean that seriously [10:07] <cute_bettong> yes they are the make things sound more "real" [10:07] <Slipjack> nJess: And static! [10:07] <cute_bettong> holy crap thats awsome new bands on vynal? [10:07] <cute_bettong> wow [10:08] <Slipjack> Yeah, new stuff. [10:08] <nJess> i have some original aerosmith records on vinyl [10:08] <Madpilot> just rip to the lowest qualilty mp3 you can, and play it over cheap PC speakers, there's all the pop, crackle & static you want! [10:08] <nJess> Madpilot, not the same dude, not the same at all [10:08] <Slipjack> I saw Nirvana vinyl. Almost bought it, but the only record players I have access to are at my parents house. [10:08] <nJess> analog sound is just.... [10:08] <spanglesontoast> how do I force a package to install using dpkg? [10:09] <IIIEars> Madpilot - poking knitting needles through the speaker cone and raising the volume is optional. - lol [10:09] <Madpilot> hey, an actual on-topic thing - is that allowed? [10:09] <IIIEars> heh [10:09] <ToRTuReD_X> what's the command to open cedega? [10:09] <cute_bettong> IIIEars why would you want to poke your speakers with knitting neddles? woulden't that ruin them? [10:09] <Slipjack> This is all off-topic. It's insanity, just insanity. [10:10] <CapSoft}Noob> lo folks [10:10] <Slipjack> 'lo [10:10] <Madpilot> hi [10:10] <CapSoft}Noob> i have a problem... i changed something in /etc/network/interfaces [10:10] <CapSoft}Noob> and no it does not boot anymore [10:10] <Slipjack> Change it back? [10:10] <CapSoft}Noob> it stops at : configuring network interfaces... [10:10] <CapSoft}Noob> how? [10:10] <CapSoft}Noob> i can't access ubuntu anymore [10:10] <Slipjack> Sorry, I was being a smartass... anyone? [10:11] <thoreauputic> Slipjack: well, for discussion of Ubuntu we can set up #ubuntu-ontopic ;-) [10:11] <IIIEars> heh [10:11] <CapSoft}Noob> even the discoverymode stops at that line [10:11] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: :) :) [10:11] <slept> spanglesontoast, dpkg --help [10:11] <nJess> CapSoft}Noob, just wait [10:11] <nJess> it will eventually boot [10:11] <Slipjack> thoreaputic: That would be the BEST! I'd be here all day every day. [10:11] <CapSoft}Noob> i waited for 15 minutes... nJess [10:11] <CapSoft}Noob> i think i made an eternal loop [10:11] <Madpilot> there really is an "ubuntu-offtopic" chan, y'know [10:11] <CapSoft}Noob> i added 2 lines in that file [10:11] <nJess> hummmm [10:11] <Slipjack> Yeah... but there should be a middle ground. [10:12] <nJess> boot the live cd [10:12] <CapSoft}Noob> one was : up mii-tool --force=10baseT-FD [10:12] <nJess> and un-do what you did [10:12] <slept> CapSoft}Noob, you can abort it with 'ctrl + c' [10:12] <CapSoft}Noob> and then up ifup --force eth0 [10:12] <S_G> hi can someone help me? [10:12] <S_G> in what package the modconf command is in [10:12] <CapSoft}Noob> can i abort something in the boot sequence?? [10:12] <spanglesontoast> sudo dpkg -i overwrite glibc_2.3.5-9_i386.deb doesn't work [10:12] <CapSoft}Noob> with simpel cltr + c ? [10:12] <thoreauputic> Slipjack: we need a #ubuntu-rant :D [10:12] <Madpilot> CapSoft}Noob: hit ESC to get into GRUB [10:12] <CapSoft}Noob> but grub is good [10:12] <S_G> bla bla bla/pppoeconf bash : modconf : command not found in line 401 [10:13] <Madpilot> right when the comp is loading [10:13] <S_G> someone can help me? [10:13] <Madpilot> there's a safe-boot whatever in GRUB [10:13] <Slipjack> There should be #ubuntu-wayofftopic, #ubuntu-offtopic, #ubuntu-sortaontopic, and #ubuntu. And I like the #ubuntu-rant idea. [10:13] <CapSoft}Noob> ok [10:13] <CapSoft}Noob> Madpilot a recovery mode [10:13] <CapSoft}Noob> 've been there [10:13] <CapSoft}Noob> tried that [10:13] <S_G> i need to know what package i need to install for modconf [10:13] <CapSoft}Noob> stops at the same line [10:13] <slept> S_G, in debian, you have to compile it yourself [10:13] <S_G> ? [10:13] <Madpilot> yeah, recovery mode. sorry... [10:14] <S_G> slept : how do i do can you help me plz [10:14] <S_G> ? [10:14] <CapSoft}Noob> but some1 said i can abort it while booting? [10:14] <kamstrup> Slipjack: What about #ubuntu-/dev/null [10:14] <CapSoft}Noob> by pressing ctrl+ c ? [10:14] <Slipjack> kamstrup: That would be where the stoners hang out, no doubt. [10:14] <S_G> slept? [10:14] <thoreauputic> Slipjack: automatic re-direct for all mirc users to #ubuntu-troll (joking) [10:14] <Slipjack> Heh. [10:15] <S_G> im noob at linux so what command i need to run to compile it? [10:15] <S_G> slept^ [10:15] <S_G> ? [10:15] <CapSoft}Noob> S_G ./configure [10:15] <CapSoft}Noob> make [10:15] <CapSoft}Noob> make install [10:15] <CapSoft}Noob> i guess... [10:15] <S_G> ./configure --> it doesnt work [10:15] <GammaRay> it's a safe bet to read the INSTALL file [10:15] <S_G> command not found ^ [10:15] <Slipjack> thoreauputic: automatic re-dreict for all mirc users to #ubuntu-non-hertero instead. [10:16] <Slipjack> hetero, rather. [10:16] <slept> S_G, I think you can apt-get install -d or sth like that I did it once , or you can use dpkg-buildpackage I'm not sure whichone I used [10:16] <IIIEars> ./configure && make && make install (holding breath is optional for a one line command.) [10:16] <CapSoft}Noob> but guys is it true that i can abort something from booting by pressing ctrl+c ? [10:16] <nJess> Slipjack, i take offense to that [10:16] <spanglesontoast> how do I force something to install [10:16] <slept> S_G, what do you need modconf for ? [10:16] <spanglesontoast> sudo dpkg -i overwrite glibc_2.3.5-9_i386.deb [10:16] <spanglesontoast> don't work [10:16] <S_G> i need it to pppoeconf [10:16] <CapSoft}Noob> spanglesontoast give in the right root password [10:16] <Slipjack> nJess: Sorry if you're gay. Or sorry if you're a mirc user. Not sure how to respond to that. [10:16] <CapSoft}Noob> :P [10:16] <thoreauputic> CapSoft}Noob: some things, like the time sync (ntpdate) [10:17] <spanglesontoast> there is no root [10:17] <spanglesontoast> dummy [10:17] <spanglesontoast> theres sudo [10:17] <CapSoft}Noob> thoreauputic and the network configurating? [10:17] <nJess> Slipjack, i am not-hetero, do not dare compare me to an mirc user [10:17] <nJess> >_< [10:17] <thoreauputic> CapSoft}Noob: I guess so, if you know the right moment [10:17] <AMCDeathKnight> Hey guys; my sound doesnt work in firefox [10:17] <S_G> slept or someone (i need it for pppoeconf ) [10:17] <S_G> slept or someone (i need it for pppoeconf ) [10:17] <AMCDeathKnight> if im watching a movie or playing music it is fine [10:17] <AMCDeathKnight> yet it crackles in firefox [10:17] <Slipjack> nJess; Okay, heh. Maybe I should go to #ubuntu-foot-in-mouth [10:17] <AMCDeathKnight> how can i fix this [10:18] <nJess> Slipjack, sounds good [10:18] <CapSoft}Noob> does the live cd provide a command line so i can access my filesystem???? [10:18] <GammaRay> nJess: foot fettish? [10:18] <IIIEars> AMCDeathknight ubotu has some general info on !alsa [10:18] <nJess> hmmm [10:18] <nJess> hey Slipjack does pansexual count as non-hetero? [10:18] <AMCDeathKnight> whats alsa? [10:18] <thoreauputic> CapSoft}Noob: of course [10:19] <Slipjack> Sex with pans? [10:19] <CapSoft}Noob> AMCDeathKnight sound driver i think [10:19] <slept> S_G , pppoe does not depend on modconf , why do you think you need modconf ? [10:19] <Slipjack> What is that? [10:19] <CapSoft}Noob> thanks thoreauputic i will try [10:19] <CapSoft}Noob> brb [10:19] <CapSoft}Noob> and then i use x-chat [10:19] <CapSoft}Noob> instead of mirc [10:19] <CapSoft}Noob> ;) [10:19] <nJess> CapSoft}Noob, they have xchat for windows [10:19] <Madpilot> !conduct [10:19] <ubotu> somebody said conduct was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view [10:19] <nJess> www.silverex.org [10:19] <GammaRay> Slipjack: try across [10:19] <GammaRay> like pan-american [10:20] <S_G> slept : bla/bla/bla/pppoeconf bash : modconf : command not found in line 401 [10:20] <Slipjack> Never heard of pan-anything. [10:20] <nJess> Slipjack, pansexual means you are not bisexual, or homosexual, you simply are attracted to people, gender aside [10:20] <S_G> so you know in which pakage can i find the modconf command ? [10:20] <S_G> so you know in which pakage can i find the modconf command ? [10:20] <nJess> Slipjack, its also been described as "f [10:20] <thoreauputic> pan does not mean "across" - more like "all" [10:20] <bachler> pan pizza [10:20] <Madpilot> S_G: www.google.com [10:20] <nJess> Slipjack, its also been described as "f**k anything that walks* [10:20] <bob2> S_G: please stop being annoying [10:21] <bob2> S_G: you don't need modconf on ubuntu, and it doesn't work, either [10:21] <S_G> it's not me it's my mirc im sorry [10:21] <AMCDeathKnight> Is there away I can simply play a flash (swf) file without using a broswer? [10:21] <Slipjack> nJess: I thought that was bisexual. [10:21] <bob2> S_G: then use a less broken client [10:21] <S_G> bob2 so you know what i can do? [10:21] <Slipjack> nJess: Unless of course a hermaphrodite is neither male nor female. [10:21] <nJess> Slipjack, like i said, im not attracted to both genders, im attracted to people, and their gender doesn't matter to me [10:21] <GammaRay> thoreauputic: across means the whole of something, from one side to another [10:22] <Slipjack> nJess: Still confused. Still sounds like bisexual to me, in which it gender doesn't matter either. [10:22] <thoreauputic> GammaRay: well, #semantics I guess ;) [10:22] <Madpilot> Slipjack: - and everyone else - #ubuntu-offtopic, if you must keep going... [10:22] <nJess> Slipjack, thats basicly the only difference [10:23] <thoreauputic> GammaRay: I see your point :) [10:23] <Slipjack> All right. I'll drop it. [10:23] <S_G> bob2 [10:23] <S_G> in debian modconf command is used? [10:23] <slept> S_G , did you look in the manpage ? [10:23] <bob2> S_G: you don't need modconf [10:23] <S_G> hmm nope [10:24] <S_G> i need it to run the pppoeconf [10:24] <S_G> to configure my Network Card [10:24] <bob2> no [10:24] <bob2> does the NIC work? [10:24] <S_G> no [10:24] <S_G> i think [10:25] <bob2> then fix that [10:25] <ToRTuReD_X> bob [10:25] <bachler> S_G: my mother could configure the network in ubutnu... [10:25] <S_G> how? [10:25] <ToRTuReD_X> i'm still stuck with installing cedega [10:25] <bob2> ToRTuReD_X: so, you gave transgaming money [10:25] <bob2> ToRTuReD_X: go get support from them [10:26] <bob2> ToRTuReD_X: www.transgaming.com [10:26] <S_G> i've got a Network card that needed to be detected automatcly [10:26] <bob2> S_G: is it ISA? [10:26] <S_G> no [10:26] <S_G> Realtek [10:26] <bob2> go realtek [10:26] <S_G> RTL8139D [10:26] <cafuego> ickyicky [10:26] <cafuego> does 8139cp work? [10:26] <S_G> PCI Fast Ethernet [10:26] <S_G> nope [10:26] <S_G> yes [10:26] <S_G> yes [10:26] <cafuego> or have they made *another* version? [10:26] <S_G> it work [10:26] <S_G> but [10:27] <S_G> the network don't [10:27] <S_G> after i do it and dhcpcd [10:27] <thoreauputic> S_G: *please* stop using the enter key as punctuation [10:27] <S_G> sorry [10:27] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: beat me to it... [10:27] <thoreauputic> it's incredibly irritating [10:27] <cafuego> S_G: dhcpcd is a dhcp *server* not a dhcp client. [10:28] <cafuego> S_G: try 'dhclient eth0' [10:28] <ToRTuReD_X> bob2 - cedega cvs - ie winex [10:28] <bob2> ToRTuReD_X: then #cedega [10:28] <S_G> cafuego : and then what? [10:28] <ToRTuReD_X> dammit [10:28] <ToRTuReD_X> i've asked in there [10:28] <ToRTuReD_X> no response [10:28] <ToRTuReD_X> :/ [10:28] <^johns^> dhcpcd is a client [10:28] <jowi> hi all [10:28] <^johns^> dhcpd is a server [10:28] <S_G> what is dhcpcd ? [10:29] <IIIEars> dynamic host control protocol [10:29] <^johns^> dhcp client deamon I guess [10:29] <znh> Hi folks [10:29] <IIIEars> assigns clients addresses [10:29] <jowi> hello znh [10:30] <znh> I just reinstalled ubuntu again - because it messed up due I installed kde-devel, everything seems to be OK now, except the sources.list - I'm getting some 'stat' errors while doing a apt-get update, and installing packages (and i'm using the default created sources.list) [10:30] <lesshaste> what is the kernel version in hoary? [10:30] <nJess> it depends [10:30] <nJess> i run..uhhh [10:30] <lesshaste> ok... tell me more :) [10:30] <nJess> Sysinfo: [AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ (800 MHz)] | [440 MB] | [Linux (2.6.10-5-k7)] | [load: 0.05 (5 min)] | [0d 1h 38m up] [10:30] <nJess> that one [10:30] <nJess> i run 2.6.10-6-k7 [10:30] <lesshaste> nJess, that's me. My 3000+ is arriving today [10:31] <nJess> ah [10:31] <nJess> well [10:31] <cafuego> throttling makes that seem a tad underwhelming :-) [10:31] <nJess> is it a desktop or a laptop? [10:31] <lesshaste> so how did you choose, where did you get it from? [10:31] <lesshaste> desktop [10:31] <nJess> ah [10:31] <lesshaste> nJess, actually..I am building it from parts [10:31] <nJess> mine is a laptop [10:31] <nJess> so it just came this way [10:31] <znh> dabaR: welcome back, and good morning :) [10:31] <nJess> i see [10:31] <Razor-X> wow, I have cheap hacks ;) [10:31] <slept> S_G, just insert to /etc/network/interfaces : auto eth0 ,(new line), iface eth0 inet dhcp maybe you have to change eth0 [10:31] <nJess> lesshaste, from what i have seen in the 64bit ubuntu, it is nice [10:31] <Razor-X> oh well, I have solidified my use of screen in my laziness in my .zshrc [10:31] <dabaR> ok. [10:31] <lesshaste> nJess, you mean that when you install hoary 64 that is the default kernel? [10:31] <nJess> but my wireless won't work in 64bit, so i don't use it [10:31] <nJess> no [10:32] <nJess> im not using hoary 64 [10:32] <lesshaste> ah [10:32] <nJess> i can't get my networking to run on hoary [10:32] <znh> anyways, I'd like to use KDE on hoary, is there some meta package that install's everything? [10:32] <nJess> no 64bit hardware drivers [10:32] <itay> hi! I am trying to compile cpp file with some libraries, but I get this error: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm", what can I do? [10:32] <lesshaste> nJess, that doesn't sound good [10:32] <itay> libxext-dev libxext6 are already installed [10:32] <Razor-X> znh: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [10:32] <Razor-X> if i'm not mistaken [10:32] <znh> Razor-X: won't that conflict that i'm using hoary? [10:32] <lesshaste> nJess, but in general hoary provides 2.6.10 then? [10:32] <Razor-X> znh: not at all [10:32] <znh> Razor-X: sweet [10:32] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: you are indeed not mistaken ! [10:32] <Razor-X> it'll add KDE to your list of WMs [10:33] <thoreauputic> ;) [10:33] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: cool [10:33] <lesshaste> nJess, are there updated kernels already packaged? [10:33] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: you want to hear about my cheap .zshrc fix? ;) [10:33] <nJess> lesshaste, pm me [10:33] <znh> oh it's ONLY 344 MB :P [10:33] <Razor-X> znh: it's a whole 'nother WM [10:33] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: I'm not sure - is it bigger than a bread box? [10:33] <thoreauputic> heheh [10:33] <znh> after unpacking 999 MB is used - lol, I bet they made that number like that [10:33] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: ;) [10:33] <Razor-X> it's a real cheap fix to see whether i'm in a zsh subshel [10:33] <znh> Razor-X: yea I know, i'm just happy :D [10:34] <Razor-X> s/subshel/subshell/ [10:34] <itay> I got this error while trying to compile: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext [10:34] <Razor-X> only that my emacs shell, ansi-term, and terminal-emulator are sub-sub-children [10:34] <znh> anyways - is the default sources.list recommended? [10:34] <Razor-X> and they all return different $TERM s ;) [10:34] <parabolize> znh: whole 'nother desktop environment! [10:34] <lesshaste> nJess, I am attempting to :) [10:34] <Razor-X> znh: didja add universe and multiverse? [10:34] <itay> what should I install? libxext-dev and libxext6 are installed. [10:35] <znh> Razor-X: no not yet.. I got kinda mad/scared - after I installed kde-devel everything got messed up.. [10:35] <GammaRay> hmm odd thing to happen [10:36] <Razor-X> znh: because you didn't have the kde libs? ;) [10:36] <Razor-X> multiverse and universe are pretty safe, and you can't do much without them [10:36] <znh> Razor-X: yes, I needed the kde-libs that we're located in the kde-devel package [10:36] <znh> *needed = required [10:37] <GammaRay> now if only they didn't have ssl disabled on links2.. took me days to figure out which links to use and how to fix that. [10:37] <Razor-X> i've found out something [10:37] <Razor-X> every GNU Emacs user should use screen below emacs [10:37] <meeekael> okay, i am looking for a quick fix way to get 6 channel sound in ubuntu 5.04...i've tried using ALSA to change the "make line in surroun...mic center" settings but that seems to do nothing, other than make my center speaker click when i switch it on and off, thanks [10:37] <Razor-X> because screen is just fscking awesome, even if emacs does it's function [10:37] <Razor-X> like the fact that Eterm displays some characters whacky [10:37] <znh> Razor-X: I agree with you [10:37] <Razor-X> screen totally fixes that [10:37] <dabaR> Razor-X: whats your wm? [10:38] <Razor-X> and the fact that screen returns a different $TERM makes it awesome in my hacks ;) [10:38] <Razor-X> dabaR: KDE [10:38] <GammaRay> Razor-X: does emacs allow detaching like screen? [10:38] <Razor-X> GammaRay: yeah [10:38] <znh> GammaRay: just a question, what's the difference between X-ray and GammaRay :/ ? [10:39] <Razor-X> GNU Screen was based of a lot of functionality of GNU Emacs buffers without the whole emacs environment [10:39] <GammaRay> znh: none actually [10:39] <GammaRay> znh: from what I was reading [10:39] <znh> GammaRay: aha ok, just wondering :P [10:39] <Razor-X> still, screen implements some things better than emacs buffers do, and those small things count [10:39] <GammaRay> still emacs won't allow me to run irssi inside it.. or will it? [10:39] <Slipjack> Okay. Nice talking to everyone off-topic in the on-topic channel. :) I'm out. [10:39] <znh> hmm.. it seems they disabled the ETA in apt-get? [10:40] <Razor-X> GammaRay: M-x ansi-term [10:40] <lesshaste> which kernel is used for the install in hoary? [10:40] <Razor-X> although, I don't even know why you use irssi *shrugs* [10:40] <Razor-X> erc is superior, ;) [10:40] <Razor-X> I used to use BitchX, but that's a thing of the past ;) [10:40] <znh> Razor-X: irssi isn't that hard [10:40] <Razor-X> I prefered BitchX over irssi, before erc, of course [10:41] <znh> Razor-X: why do you like BitchX, if I may ask [10:41] <nJess> but irssi is so much better [10:41] <nJess> :( [10:41] <Razor-X> nJess: everyone says that [10:41] <Razor-X> my theory is that it has something to do with what you use first, at least in this one case [10:41] <Razor-X> almost everyone who tries irssi first ends up hating BitchX [10:41] <nJess> Razor-X, not really [10:41] <Razor-X> and vice versa [10:41] <nJess> i used bitchx first [10:41] <nJess> it was lame [10:42] <znh> it's just that I knew irssi before BitchX :P [10:42] <nJess> no active dev in years is a bad thing [10:42] <Razor-X> nJess: well, you just wrote it off as lame and left [10:42] <nJess> so i lkiked irssi [10:42] <znh> they are both nice bitches though [10:42] <Razor-X> znh: vice versa here [10:42] <Razor-X> nJess: tell that to gparted users ;) [10:42] <nJess> ohhh [10:42] <Razor-X> I tried BitchX, got a feel for it, and then started loving it [10:42] <znh> thoreauputic: why should they [10:42] <nJess> i love this song [10:43] <Razor-X> after that, irssi seemed quite foreign [10:43] <Razor-X> funny thing is, they're based on pretty much identical frameworks [10:43] <thoreauputic> znh: erm... it was , like, a joke [10:43] <Razor-X> (ircII) [10:43] <nJess> no they are not [10:43] <znh> thoreauputic: HAHAHAHAHA [10:43] <nJess> irssi is from scratch [10:43] <Razor-X> nJess: yes they are [10:43] <nJess> its not based on anything [10:43] <znh> thoreauputic: latency's eh.. [10:43] <Razor-X> nJess: that's irssi bleating [10:43] <Razor-X> irssi was based on ircII [10:43] <nJess> thats not true [10:43] <nJess> i've read into it [10:43] <Razor-X> BitchX and irssi are both forks of that [10:43] <GammaRay> thoreauputic: all the happy users turn agents of irssi (the man) [10:43] <Razor-X> and so have I [10:44] <thoreauputic> GammaRay: ah, the Ubuntu Effect then ;) [10:44] <Razor-X> it's based on it, it may be written from scratch, but it was based on ircII [10:45] <priest> in which package is "cryptdisc" in? [10:45] <Razor-X> also, in the channels I used to frequent, B-X was more popular [10:45] <znh> anyways, anyone used qvwm sometime? - It's extreamly fast, even faster as fvwm I noticed [10:45] <Razor-X> I thought irssi was pretty nice until I saw #ubuntu [10:45] <bob2> irssi was not based on it [10:45] <Razor-X> bob2: I thought it was [10:46] <Razor-X> funny how no-one says anything on ``BitchX'' [10:46] <bob2> except for "geez that's a bad irc client" [10:46] <znh> Razor-X: I would if I knew it [10:47] <znh> Lag: 1.74 [10:47] <Madpilot> oh boy: http://www.mslinux.org/ [10:47] <znh> Madpilot: yea, it's so funny [10:48] <Madpilot> "Microsoft has hired lawyers to attack it's own product line in an attempt to confuse the DOJ." [10:48] <znh> those user comments on the right are hell funny [10:48] <znh> eh the other right, left it's called [10:48] <Razor-X> s/nice/niche/ [10:48] <bob2> "Last updated: Thursday, April 13, 2000" [10:49] <Madpilot> OK, so it's an old joke... [10:49] <znh> good jokes are mostly old jokes [10:49] <virtuel> Hiya. I have a quick question: I'd like to set up my computer with a non-standard resolution [10:49] <znh> virtuel: Ok! [10:50] <znh> virtuel: that can be done by editing your /etc/X11/xorg.conf [10:50] <Madpilot> but whoever put that page together had the cojones to link it right back to MS - look at the "copyright" down at the bottom... heh [10:50] <virtuel> I tried adding it to xorg.conf, but it still doesn't show up in System/Preferences/Screen Resolution [10:50] <virtuel> (and I have restarted X already) [10:50] <znh> virtuel: I think that never would, that are just some premade resolutions [10:51] <priest> in debian there is a package "cryptsetup", does not ubuntu has it too? [10:51] <znh> archive.ubuntu says Remote Closed Connection.. [10:51] <znh> sometimes [10:52] <znh> priest: what would it be able to do? [10:52] <virtuel> znh, the resolution has been offered to me by other distros, 1400x1050 [10:52] <priest> znh: crypt discs :) [10:53] <znh> virtuel: You should put 1400x1050 at the beginning of your mode list, then it would be chosen as the default res [10:54] <linlin> i seem to have killed grub on my system, how do i reinstall it? [10:54] <priest> znh: btw, it was there :) [10:54] <znh> priest: ok,. nice [10:54] <salil> anyone know of a good gnutella client..? [10:54] <salil> quit help [10:54] <znh> salil: you might want to try mldonkey - I didnt tell you this lol [10:55] <slept> linlin, grub-install [10:55] <GammaRay> salil: gtk-gnutella [10:55] <virtuel> znh, this is in xorg.conf, right? If so, it's already there [10:55] <salil> okay.. znh .. but there can i get it.. [10:55] <linlin> but from where, i cant get into a running system [10:55] <salil> GammaRay: i tried it and didn't like it.. [10:55] <znh> virtuel: yes but it should be the first mode [10:55] <znh> salil: mldonkey is awesome to be honest [10:56] <overture> i like the "DO NOT USE BREEZY YET" warning, lol [10:56] <GammaRay> mldonkey kinda isn't a gnutella client [10:56] <znh> overture: yea it's very user-friendly :P [10:56] <Tomcat_> mldonkey has many protocols... [10:56] <salil> znh: where do i get mldonkey... is it in the repositories..? [10:56] <Tomcat_> It can even do BitTorrent... :o [10:56] <znh> GammaRay: It is [10:56] <virtuel> from /etc/X11/xorg.conf: [10:56] <psychonate> I prefer bittornado and amule myself [10:56] <virtuel> Modes "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480" [10:56] <psychonate> and irc heh [10:56] <znh> Tomcat_: Yea I used that for commercial front-ends, seeding legal torrents :D [10:57] <Tomcat_> :> [10:57] <overture> i was supprised ubuntu didn't detect a piece of hardware of mine out of the box for the first time today [10:57] <overture> dwl-g520 revB [10:57] <GammaRay> znh: really? huh [10:57] <znh> GammaRay: really what? [10:57] <b3n_> hi [10:58] <znh> b3n_: hi dutchy [10:58] <b3n_> #kubuntu is very quiet [10:58] <b3n_> so I try it here [10:58] <mebaran151> any ideas how to make it automatically work [10:58] <salil> znh: found it.. its in one of the repositories.. [10:58] <znh> b3n_: welcome, feel free to ask :) [10:58] <znh> salil: I wont suggest you that [10:58] <mebaran151> my sndcard, a Via Envy 24PT [10:58] <virtuel> znh, the weird thing is the screen resolution app offers me resolutions not listed in xorg.conf [10:58] <mebaran151> does not get a device on boot, although the modules load [10:58] <mebaran151> alsa declares no such sndcard exists [10:58] <b3n_> it is about the kubuntu dvd for powerpc [10:58] <salil> znh: then what would you suggest..?? [10:59] <GammaRay> znh: they only mention gnutella2.. are you sure? [10:59] <znh> salil: since it's a p2p client, it would be safier to compile it from source [10:59] <znh> GammaRay: I seen it many times in the configs [10:59] <salil> znh: i don't understand..!! [10:59] <b3n_> I saw quite some requests for it on the ubuntulinuxforums [10:59] <CapSoft> lo folks [10:59] <CapSoft> i am back [10:59] <CapSoft> in linux with x-chat! [10:59] <znh> Congrats [10:59] <b3n_> however the bittorrent file is stuck on 72.1% [10:59] <b3n_> it is the kubuntu-5.04-dvd-powerpc.iso file [10:59] <CapSoft> thanks [11:00] <znh> salil: what do you not understand? [11:00] <CapSoft> some1 experience with a windows printer shared? and XS to it from ubuntu? [11:00] <salil> znh: how do i get the source..? [11:00] <b3n_> if someone could start uploading it again, I would be happy to host it thereafter at my ubuntu/kubuntu dvd images mirror [11:00] <CapSoft> b3n_, why not grab it from http or ftp? [11:00] <znh> salil: search in google for svannah mldonkey, then pick the newest version [11:01] <b3n_> CapSoft: it is the DVD [11:01] <znh> b3n_: 4gb isn't that large to download [11:01] <b3n_> CapSoft: they are usually only available via bittorrent [11:01] <CapSoft> ow sorry forgot that ;) ur right b3n_ [11:01] <salil> znh: how do i know that its stable..? [11:02] <b3n_> that is why i set up the dvd mirror to serve them via http (nginyang.uvt.nl) [11:02] <salil> znh: i got this location from google -> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/mldonkey/ [11:02] <kyoman> grmmbl r there alot of packages that r available for 386 that is not avail for the 64 [11:02] <znh> salil: yes that's the right location [11:02] <salil> znh: i don't know which one to choose.. what if the newest ones are not that stable.. [11:02] <b3n_> but the powerpc kubuntu dvd is not being seeded at the moment and hence a lot of people are stuch [11:02] <CapSoft> can someone help me with my windows printer, which is shared and i'd like to access through lan? [11:02] <salil> znh: which version are you using ..?? [11:02] <b3n_> /s/stuch/stuck [11:02] <znh> salil: the newest one 2.6.0 is stable [11:02] <znh> salil: I'm not using any p2p [11:03] <salil> ah.. [11:03] <salil> okay [11:03] <salil> znh: how do i compile it.>? [11:03] <cute_bettong> um how do i mount hdb1 which is an ntfs partition for just a bit to get some files off of it [11:03] <znh> salil: have you already extracted it? [11:03] <mebaran151> any ideas on my sound problem [11:03] <mebaran151> Via Envy 24PT [11:03] <salil> yes. [11:03] <CapSoft> mebaran151, try lsof /dev/dsp [11:03] <salil> znh: yes [11:04] <salil> znh: is it the same command.. ./configure....?? [11:04] <znh> salil: do: sudo ./configure && make && make install [11:04] <salil> znh: then make and make install..?? [11:04] <znh> salil: yes when they ask to download a needed dependicie, typ yes [11:04] <thoreauputic> cute_bettong: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt ; cd /mnt and so on [11:04] <salil> znh: ooh..right.. thanks.. [11:05] <virtuel> cute_bettong: http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs [11:05] <znh> bob2: may I ask you a question? [11:05] <mebaran151> CapSoft, big problem is [11:05] <mebaran151> that /dev/dsp is not getting made by udev [11:06] <kyoman> anyone in here running amd64 ? [11:06] <mebaran151> kyoman, I am [11:06] <CapSoft> hmm... k then i have no clue since i am a noob :) [11:06] <mebaran151> trying to get my Via chip to work [11:06] <mebaran151> /dev/dsp [11:06] <mebaran151> of Via Envy 24PT [11:06] <CapSoft> some1 experience with a windows machine with a printer shared? [11:07] <jowi> hmm. [11:07] <znh> CapSoft: seems that we dont [11:07] <jowi> i have a process i can not kill [11:07] <kyoman> mebaran r there alot of missing packets,or do i miss something,apt-get install libesd-alsa0 tells me the packet r missing ...is working on my i686 [11:07] <CapSoft> apperantly :( [11:07] <bob2> znh: ? [11:07] <jowi> what do i use if kill -s 9 does not work? [11:07] <thoreauputic> jowi: try using pstree to see the parent and kill that [11:07] <nexu> kill -9 [11:07] <znh> bob2: when I would help someone installing a p2p client, Iam being illegal? [11:08] <jowi> thoreauputic, the parent is my windowmanager [11:08] <virtuel> znh, only if actually installing the p2p client is illegal [11:08] <thoreauputic> jowi: ah - oops :) [11:08] <bob2> znh: I woudln't think so [11:08] <jowi> thoreauputic, ps -A shows the filename <defunct> [11:08] <mebaran151> I dont hink my alises are setup correctly [11:08] <bob2> IANAL etc [11:08] <virtuel> znh, remember that p2p may be used for legitimate purposes as well [11:09] <znh> virtuel: that's true [11:09] <mebaran151> bob2, what sould be setup in my /etc/modprobe.d if soudn aliases were set correctly [11:09] <thoreauputic> jowi: if it's defunct, why would you kill it ? [11:09] <bob2> mebaran151: I wouldn't bother with aliases at all [11:09] <jowi> thoreauputic, because if i try to open a new instance of it the app complains that it is already running [11:09] <ethics> blizzard use bittorrent to distribute patches on world of warcraft...precident of legality on a commercial product.. [11:10] <thoreauputic> jowi: right - I just realised that myself - sorry [11:10] <znh> ethics: yup, like linux also does - I sponsored that a while ago [11:10] <jowi> thoreauputic, is there a command that kills without sending signals and without expecting a reply? [11:11] <thoreauputic> jowi: sorry I don't understand that [11:11] <b3n_> by the way, onyone here got an wireless pcmcia aironet 350 card running under ubuntu WITH WPA encryption? (WEP and no encryption does work however) [11:11] <znh> x\away: Hi to austria - from the netherlands [11:11] <kyoman> bob2 r all the packages for ix86 available for amd64 to ?? [11:11] <jowi> thoreauputic, i need a more powerfull kill command :-) [11:11] <b3n_> au=australia [11:11] <b3n_> ;) [11:12] <bob2> kyoman: mostly [11:12] <psychonate> You scared him away lol [11:12] <znh> b3n_: austria is the english word for austrilan [11:12] <ToRTuReD_X> lol [11:12] <bob2> kyoman: for free software stuff, almost always [11:12] <ToRTuReD_X> sorry [11:12] <ToRTuReD_X> was me [11:12] <thoreauputic> jowi: pull the power plug out ;) [11:12] <ToRTuReD_X> i hit a key and thought i closed all windows [11:12] <mebaran151> bob2, so what should I try to do [11:12] <jowi> thoreauputic, i did. it is still there [11:12] <mebaran151> I have the modules loaded [11:12] <ToRTuReD_X> but it was minimised into the panel [11:12] <bob2> mebaran151: load the module [11:12] <mebaran151> they are loaded .... [11:12] <jowi> i will try another reboot to see if i am lucky [11:12] <kyoman> bob hmm i must miss something in my sources.list then ....i cant find alot of them ...for example libesd-alsa0 [11:13] <mebaran151> all the correct snd moduels ARE loaded [11:13] <b3n_> znh: australian is the english word for austria?? [11:13] <znh> Razor-X: woot, almost done installing kde [11:13] <znh> b3n_: nevermind.. i'm already confused now :p [11:13] <kyoman> bob2 hmm i must miss something in my sources.list then ....i cant find alot of them ...for example libesd-alsa0 [11:13] <b3n_> :) [11:14] <thoreauputic> b3n_: the australian word for australian is "strine" ;-) [11:14] <bob2> kyoman: apparently not built on amd64 for hoary [11:14] <kyoman> ok.. [11:14] <bob2> kyoman: packages.ubuntu.com [11:14] <virtuel> Hm. Does anyone know of a good graphical sftp client? [11:14] <bob2> virtuel: nautilus [11:14] <znh> bob2: another question, I'd like to create some IRC bot that logs all the quit messages, is it allowed to put such a client like that in here? (it would be silent one) [11:14] <psychonate> sftp? [11:14] <b3n_> afk-back to work [11:14] <desrt> psychonate; secure file transfer [11:15] <desrt> psychonate; basically, ftp over ssh [11:15] <bob2> znh: if it's silent, I don't mind [11:15] <psychonate> ah, never used that [11:15] <bob2> znh: the channel's already logged, tho [11:15] <kyoman> bob2 ok thx...guess its compile time :-/ [11:15] <CapSoft> guys i installed hpijs but where is the .ppd file? [11:15] <znh> bob2: that doesn't mather to me :P [11:15] <CapSoft> how can i search from / to all *.ppd files there are? [11:16] <bob2> kyoman: why do you want it? [11:16] <ethics> bob2: i think he want to grep it for "znh sux" etc hehe [11:16] <desrt> CapSoft; grep ppd$ /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list [11:16] <thoreauputic> CapSoft: try " locate *.ppd " [11:16] <znh> ethics: might be [11:17] <mebaran151> I think I will try gentoo again [11:17] <mebaran151> at least there I could blame myself [11:17] <kyoman> bob2...cant get my sound to work proper,and found a troubleshot tip for it that worked on my i686 [11:17] <jowi> thoreauputic, a reboot solved it. i think that "pulled the plug" caused the prob in the first place. tripped over the laptop powercable so it did not really shut down properly :-) [11:17] <mebaran151> kyoman, you running a Via Envy [11:17] <mebaran151> because mine doesnt work at all [11:17] <desrt> mebaran151; gentoo isn't bad. i wish you luck. [11:17] <thoreauputic> jowi: aha! [11:18] <bob2> kyoman: that won't help your sound work any better [11:18] <bob2> unless alsa oss emulation is broken on your machine [11:18] <CapSoft> thanks thoreauputic [11:18] <kyoman> bob2 i dont have any sound .... [11:18] <mebaran151> desrt, what other 64 bit distros exist [11:18] <thoreauputic> CapSoft: you're welcome [11:18] <mebaran151> that have any user base [11:18] <desrt> mebaran151; 64bit what? [11:19] <praj> How do down load latex pachake in ubuntu? [11:19] <kyoman> mebaran gigabyte ga-k8vt800pro [11:19] <mebaran151> desrt distibutions [11:19] <desrt> mebaran151; what arch? [11:19] <mebaran151> AMD64 [11:19] <desrt> oh . don't know about that [11:19] <mebaran151> I have always wanted to play with a BSD [11:19] <desrt> ppc64 is more my thing :) [11:19] <mebaran151> but BSD is just weird with slices and all [11:20] <desrt> if that's your biggest problem with bsd ..... [11:20] <thoreauputic> praj: did you mean "latex package" ? [11:20] <jowi> mebaran151, got a friend that uses FreeBSD on his amd64. he says it works much better than gentoo [11:20] <kyoman> mebaran it is a via chipset [11:20] <mebaran151> jowi, I would think so [11:20] <jowi> and the slices are a good thing [11:20] <nightswim> * works better than gentoo [11:20] <mebaran151> jowi, how so [11:20] <nightswim> even minix [11:20] <desrt> nightswim; .. [11:20] <mebaran151> can I have seperate file systems on each slice [11:20] <mebaran151> desrt, a slice is a subpartition [11:20] <desrt> mebaran151; yes [11:21] <desrt> mebaran151; the idea is that bsd only takes one partition total [11:21] <desrt> and all of its separate filesystems go into slices [11:21] <desrt> that way it doesn't each up your entire partition table (which can only have 4 entries) [11:21] <jowi> mebaran151, slices are needed since bsd need to reside on a primary partition [11:22] <GammaRay> that might have mattered before extended partitions [11:22] <jowi> mebaran151, you can only have 4 primary partitions on one single disk [11:22] <thoreauputic> praj: there are many latex-related packages - try " apt-cache search latex | less " [11:22] <mebaran151> jowi, I know that [11:22] <znh> Woo, back in graphical action [11:22] <desrt> extended partitions are an awful hack [11:22] <mebaran151> but I always used logical partitions [11:22] <jowi> mebaran151, oh ok [11:22] <desrt> i never use them [11:23] <mebaran151> but how many slices can you have [11:23] <desrt> 26, i guess? [11:23] <GammaRay> 15 w/ freebsd I think [11:23] <desrt> i'd believe 15 :) [11:23] <desrt> seb128; wb :P [11:24] <seb128> re [11:24] <desrt> seb128; what's the deal with freezes? [11:24] <desrt> like, what's exempt and not? [11:25] <mebaran151> how is the BSD kernel anyway? [11:25] <desrt> mebaran151; lean [11:25] <seb128> desrt: no solid rules [11:25] <desrt> seb128; :) [11:25] <konki> DELL 600m [customized] NOTEBOOK: anyone can help me make my decision on buying one?specifications/stuffs... [11:25] <desrt> seb128; so it wouldn't be bad if gnome-applets depended on hal 0.5.4 for example? [11:25] <seb128> desrt: if something is judged to bring something we want and stable we go for it [11:26] <jowi> konki, what do you mean customised? [11:26] <seb128> desrt: pitti has uploaded 0.5.3 this morning ... is there any 0.5.4 atm? when is it due? what does it change? what does it bring? [11:26] <mebaran151> desrt, but I hate the UFS [11:26] <konki> jowi, you know the kind you buy online.. 256/500 MB ram?? what the diff?? [11:26] <desrt> seb128; 0.5.4 is due soon according to david. it's mostly features.. including some new API [11:26] <koisti> can someone told a good ftp server for ubuntu with gui [11:26] <mebaran151> and the fact that they are anal about fs's [11:27] <desrt> specifically i'd want to use it because it introduces a foolproof "percent" field for batteries [11:27] <jowi> konki, 512mb ram is more than 256mb. if the pricedifference is low go for it [11:27] <pitti> seb128: there is no 0.5.4 yet [11:27] <seb128> desrt: "mostly features" is not something which usually is a good candidate for freezy break [11:27] <pitti> seb128: I see the announcements [11:27] <seb128> desrt: good candidates are "mostly bug fixes" [11:28] <virtuel> konki, I'd say 256 MB ram is a bit on the low side [11:28] <desrt> seb128; in that case i think i'll hold back on requiring it for 2.12 [11:28] <desrt> pitti; thanks for the upload, btw. [11:28] <PeaceMakr> hello [11:28] <seb128> desrt: you can ask pitti if he has planned to go for 0.5.4, but I guess 0.5.3 is a good deal atm [11:29] <desrt> seb128; i won't play devil's advocate anymore on this one :) [11:29] <PeaceMakr> can someone help me with ubuntu 5.04 and wireless internet? [11:29] <desrt> 0.5.3 is fine for me [11:29] <pitti> desrt: I'll look at the announcement when 0.5.4 comes out and decide then [11:29] <jowi> konki, usually DELL has offers of getting double memory for free. check out their offers [11:29] <desrt> and certainly, right now, i need to go to bed already :P [11:29] <desrt> cheers. [11:29] <pitti> desrt: but I'll rather go with cherrypicking patches now [11:29] <[teh] > ubuntu means "person" lol [11:30] <konki> jowi, yes it does... 512 MB is for free... guess i'll take it... [11:30] <desrt> pitti; 0.5.3 vanilla (more or less) seems to be a good place to stay [11:30] <seb128> 'night desrt [11:30] <desrt> nite. [11:30] <jowi> konki, 600m is quite good though. it can be taken appart to the smallest part just like a stationary pc. nothing is glued. [11:30] <desrt> oh.. one more thing [11:30] <PeaceMakr> does anyone here know about iburst? [11:30] <desrt> seb128; do you plan on packaging xscreensaver or gnome-screensaver for breezy? [11:31] <koisti> hey someone, that ftp server for ubuntu?? [11:31] <pitti> koisti: vsftpd is supported [11:31] <jowi> konki, btw - if you talk to a seller - please be adviced NOT to get a maxtor HDD!!! [11:31] <koisti> is it with gui [11:31] <seb128> desrt: gnome-screensaver seems to be nice, I'll probably send a call to test it today now than gnome-settings-daemon knows about it and we will decide according to that [11:32] <desrt> seb128; k. keep me updated on that one [11:32] <andrew_> what does libc6 do? [11:32] <seb128> np [11:32] <konki> jowi, well i'm buying it off the site... [11:32] <desrt> seb128; fabbione and i are working on a screensaver :) [11:32] <seb128> desrt: you are for gnome-screensaver I guess ? :) [11:32] <desrt> seb128; ya... as long as it works [11:32] <seb128> k [11:32] <jowi> konki, the american or european? [11:32] <desrt> seb128; if gnome-ss then i'll upload my hack upstream [11:33] <desrt> if xss then fabbione is gonna try to patch it into the ubuntu xss package [11:33] <CapSoft> my printer works! [11:33] <CapSoft> i love ubuntu forums [11:33] <desrt> thanks. i really need to leave now :P [11:33] <konki> jowi, i don't know.. is there a difference?? [11:34] <andrew_> any of you guys tried gentoo? [11:34] <konki> jowi, it comes down to roughly $1280... good price?? [11:34] <konki> $1230 that is [11:35] <seb128> desrt: k, later [11:36] <KyoMan> lol i must miss something essential,sound works on the livecd but not on my install [11:37] <mebaran151> I think I will try breezy and see if it works there [11:37] <KyoMan> mebaran u tried with the livecd ?? [11:37] <bob2> the usual problem is people misinterprete "doesn't work" [11:37] <bob2> mebaran151: you know X doesn't work in breezy, right? [11:38] <jowi> konki, depends of what is included in that price.i think you should be able to get a "$250 off instantly deal" added to that [11:38] <Dalkus> can anyone give me the url to the kde lite (I think thats the name) webpage? It's a new project that aims for a kde desktop without the bloat [11:38] <bob2> #kde would presumably know [11:39] <Dalkus> alright, thanks. [11:39] <konki> jowi, yes.. already got the $250 off comes doewn to $1230 [11:39] <jowi> konki, then you have a high-end 600m. good price [11:40] <konki> jowi, i also got $50 off the pkt DJ.. 5GB... wanna get the 20GB... maybe later... [11:40] <jowi> konki, and you probably get the 3 year warranty ? [11:40] <QMario> Why does Ubuntu have a pause each time you are using Mozilla Firefox? [11:41] <konki> jowi, well, i am shipping it off the US to some isolated islands in the Pacific so warranty doesn't really matter... [11:41] <QMario> The speed of my DSL connection on Ubuntu is almost equivalent to the speed of the my old d [11:41] <jowi> konki, oh. too bad. [11:42] <QMario> The speed of my DSL connection on Ubuntu is almost equivalent to the speed of the my old dial-up connection in Windows. :( [11:42] <jowi> konki, sometimes the touchpad can get worn out and glitch - same thing with the frontpanel. the warranty is nice to have. [11:43] <jowi> konki, it does not happen very often but i did get the occasional customer (when i worked for dell tech support) that did [11:43] <konki> jowi, surely, but i have a HP laptop this will be the 1st dell... my HP is still running smoothly since 2000... [11:44] <konki> touchpad/screen ok [11:44] <mebaran151> bob2, still? [11:44] <mebaran151> haven't they TRIED to fix that yet [11:44] <znh> test one two three [11:44] <oatis> what is the easiest way to install koffice 1.4 with kubuntu> [11:44] <znh> test four five six [11:44] <konki> jowi, that good to hear... dell are good comps right?? [11:45] <elsha> hey guys, any idea what the default path is to kernel source or headers? [11:45] <znh> konki: good is defined by the user [11:45] <Seveas> indeed [11:45] <bob2> elsha: there isn't one [11:45] <bob2> elsha: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) [11:45] <jowi> konki, you should really give a call to the dell support. see if the warranty can be moved to the pacific (i had american customers that temp moved to europe for job and they were able to move the warranty with them) [11:45] <konki> i will never purchase a notebook ever... its just too hard to upgrade.... [11:45] <QMario> Why does Ubuntu have a pause each time you are using Mozilla Firefox? [11:45] <QMario> The speed of my DSL connection on Ubuntu is almost equivalent to the speed of the my old dial-up connection in Windows. :( [11:46] <znh> Seveas: I like that they are so silent, I haven't experienced any bad with Dell computers yet [11:46] <Seveas> QMario: Open firefox and go to about:config. Now search for network.dns.disableIPV6 and set that value to true. Restart Firefox to see the effect. [11:46] <elsha> bob2, awesome :) thanks [11:46] <jowi> konki, yes they are good. nothing is locked on them. everything can be replaced without hassle with a screwdriver. [11:46] <konki> jowi, well i don't really think it would matter since the person who will be owning the PC will travel ocasionally to the US [11:46] <bob2> elsha: what are you trying to compile? [11:46] <Seveas> znh, at the Ubiversity where I work they use only dell workstations. A lot of the tft's already have multiple dead pixels to name one thing [11:47] <Seveas> University* [11:47] <xinel> hey guys i can't get my sound working any suggestions? [11:47] <bob2> tell doesn't make their own tfts, tho [11:47] <bob2> er, Dell [11:47] <znh> Seveas: haha lol [11:47] <koisti> xinel, any sound or ex only with xmms [11:47] <Seveas> xinel, does the file /dev/dsp exist? [11:47] <jowi> bob2, dell doesn't make anything themselves. they only build and brand them [11:47] <xinel> using alsa, sounds not muted [11:47] <Seveas> xinel, ahh, you killed esd? [11:47] <elsha> bob2, i'm trying to get drivers for webcam working, but the linux shell script i had couldnt find the headers, cause i hadn't installed them yet [11:47] <oatis> can someone please explain to me how to install koffice 1.4 from ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/koffice-1.4.1/ [11:48] <znh> Seveas: dead pixels are made by force - or not? [11:48] <konki> jowi, i think so because i work for this comp org called "freegeek" we recycle computers/parts, and resell em.. dell PC's are the easiest to take apart... [11:48] <xinel> killed esd, no /dev/dsp [11:48] <Seveas> xinel, if /dev/dsp does not exist, your sound card is not recognized and the drivers for it aren't loaded [11:49] <xinel> interesting [11:49] <jowi> konki, they are FUN to take appart :-) [11:49] <Seveas> xinel, put the output of lspci on the pastebin [11:49] <Seveas> jowi, agreed [11:49] <xinel> pastebin? [11:49] <Seveas> with a hammer... [11:49] <Seveas> xinel, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl [11:50] <konki> jowi, truly.. a pain in the butt too... scratched my hand/fingers alot... [11:50] <jowi> they have about a ton of tiny-tiny screws though. somehow i always have one or two in my hand after everything is put together again... how does that happen? [11:50] <konki> but hey @ least i'm learning alot... plus those peeps there are pro Linux.. thats why i joined em.. [11:51] <konki> mostly work but i learn alot and its free... [11:51] <xinel> okies its on pastebin [11:51] <jowi> konki, that sounds good [11:51] <konki> FREEGEEK.org [11:51] <Seveas> aha audigy... [11:51] <xinel> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/816 [11:51] <xinel> audigy 2 zs [11:52] <Seveas> lots of people have problems with audigy cards [11:52] <xinel> i just changed hdd's and hading working on my old hoary install [11:52] <konki> i know that opensource is the future... but if it ain't @ least i know how to do things others can't [11:53] <jowi> konki, "adopt a computer"? haha [11:53] <Seveas> xinel, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21211 [11:54] <konki> jowi, yep.. well i ain't on the adoption prog. i'm on the build prog. [11:54] <konki> jowi, build 5 get 1 free.... installed with Linux freekbox... lol! [12:01] <punkrockmcduck> good morning [12:01] <jowi> konki, sounds like a fun project. start one in europe and i'll come to help [12:01] <jowi> morning punkrockmcduck [12:01] <punkrockmcduck> how's it going? [12:01] <xinel> Seveas: thanx for the link, don't suppose u know how to turn things on and off in alsamixer? [12:01] <konki> jowi, you wouldn't even think about how many comp. a day we get... our warehouse is so filled its a fire hazard... [12:01] <konki> jowi, where in europe are you @ ?? [12:01] <Seveas> xinel, m is the mute tuggle, up and down arrows change volume, left and right arrows change control [12:01] <jowi> konki, i have moved around alot. atm i live in Paris, France. [12:01] <xinel> Seveas, thanx 'm' was what i was looking for :) [12:01] <jowi> konki, swedish origin. worked in ireland, denmark and now france [12:01] <konki> thats nice... wanna visit europe someday... [12:01] <xinel> now to follow forum link [12:01] <konki> jowi, college over there, is it expensive?? i read that it was cheap... alot of grads. but no jobs?? [12:01] <xinel> Seveas, that fixed it! thanx alot :) [12:01] <ubuntwho> hi i was wondering if someone could help me with installing wine [12:01] <punkrockmcduck> i'm looking at some cdrw/dvd-r combo drives on newegg.com because i need to replace a broken cdrw in one of my computers. are there any compatability issues or brands that i should avoid? [12:01] <marcin> hi [12:01] <marcin> could someone tell me how can I check when someone was on this channel? [12:01] <konki> xinel, apt-get wine install or apt-get install wine [12:01] <marcin> bot or something.. seen... [12:01] <jowi> konki, right. very hard to find a job these days. especially in sweden. many move abroad. thanks to the EU it is not such a big hassle though and alot of companies offer relocation-programs. and you can transfer your pension from one country to the next [12:01] <konki> sweet [12:02] <tommi^> Hi. I installed the free nvidia drivers. Then I uninstalled those and installed the propierty ones. Now, on every boot I get randomly either non accelarated Xorg or an error while starting x/gdm. Stopping gdm, rmmod nvidia and reinstalling nvidia drivers help. The nvidia installer log complains that the previous installation has been tampered with. Log shows: "Unable to access previously installed file '/usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1.0.7667' (N [12:02] <tommi^> o such file or directory). Unable to access previously installed symlink '/usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1' (No such file or directory)." What causes the changes to the nvidia driver installation? Thanks [12:02] <jowi> konki, and we do not have fees for college and universities in sweden. [12:02] <ubuntwho> konki, im reading at the wine site that i should uninstall any previous versions of wine? [12:03] <tommi^> As a side note, I have uninstalled all nvidia driver I know with apt-get. apt-get remove nvidia* [12:03] <konki> jowi, you mean its free?? [12:03] <IIIEars> is there a nuclear blast command for apt like "purge"? [12:04] <konki> ubuntwho, do you have previous versions installed?? i don't really know but i installed wine just fine... [12:04] <xinel> konki, why would i want wine? [12:04] <jowi> konki, yes. if you have enough grades to get in. but as a student you need to take a loan for rent, food and internetconnection of course :-) [12:04] <liraz> Why do thunderbird fonts wish to remain antialias even though I have disabled them? [12:04] <tommi^> konki, same here in Finland. [12:04] <konki> xinel, i think you would like to run some programs that run on windows [12:04] <jowi> konki, as tommi^ said. the nordic countries have very similar systems [12:04] <bob2> IIIEars: sure, remove --purge [12:04] <xinel> thanx fo the thought but i have a windows boxen to do that [12:04] <konki> tommi^, what about foriegners?? free too? [12:05] <xinel> coz i can't get fusionHDTV lite to work on ubuntu [12:05] <jowi> coffee time [12:05] <IIIEars> tommi^ - if you say yes i am grabbing the next flight there. - lol [12:05] <tommi^> konki, currently yes, there are some talks if foreigners should have fees. [12:06] <xinel> so who gets free uni? [12:06] <tommi^> IIIEars, welcome then. [12:06] <konki> xinel, well i ain't that hi-tech wait a few more years... i'm a newbie too [12:06] <xinel> hehe [12:06] <xinel> yah i think i'll wait till its a bit easier to do [12:06] <ubuntwho> konki, how do i tell if i have a previous version installed? [12:06] <xinel> ah sweden [12:07] <cafuego> sveeeden! [12:07] <cafuego> (bork, bork) [12:07] <IIIEars> Amazed by the number of games ported to linux - loki has been very very busy. - lol [12:07] <konki> maybe i should move over there.. seen all the wild parties on 'wild on' [12:07] <tommi^> As a matter of fact I'm entering to university this fall and I have only few fees: total amount of about 100 euros. [12:07] <konki> ubuntwho, try to locate it... [12:07] <xinel> i wanna go to America if road trip and teen movies have taught me anything America is full of hot willing chicks :P [12:08] <IIIEars> lol - [12:08] <tommi^> IIIEars, so are you coming then? [12:08] <konki> ubuntwho, try to locate it... 'locate wine' [12:08] <Jen20> Where can I download all the security updates for hoary to then rip to a CD? I'd like to install them before connecting to the net with a new installation. http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz is the closest I've come. [12:08] <IIIEars> tommi^ - i need a favor.. - erm. could you talk to my wife? [12:08] <konki> xinel, i am thinking the same thing about europe... [12:09] <ubuntwho> konki, k ty one sec [12:09] <konki> i think you got it on the opposite direction... [12:09] <xinel> koisti, yah i just bought Eurotrip [12:09] <xinel> w00t [12:10] <tommi^> IIIEars, sure, why not. You don't mind if I persuade her with few pictures of local men (no, not meaning me)? :) [12:10] <bob2> amen [12:10] <bob2> aside from the prive [12:10] <konki> xinel, the one with absinithe & kissing bro/sis?? [12:10] <xinel> hehe yah [12:10] <IIIEars> My job is awful > 0_o [12:10] <konki> absinithe, a drink i can't seem to find in the bars here [12:10] <xinel> that reminds me i better set dvd to dma [12:11] <IIIEars> cool - [12:11] <xinel> konki, its easy to buy in Australia [12:11] <cafuego> Just too bad it tastes like shit [12:11] <xinel> nah i like it has a nice liccorish taste [12:12] <bob2> that's why you put burning sugar in it and shot it [12:12] <ubuntwho> konki, when i did a locate it came up with wine.png and wine.svg is that it? [12:12] <jowi> the absinthe is not the same as 200 years ago though [12:12] <konki> sweet... its illegal to sell in the us... am waiting to get some loot and buy some online and ship it over [12:12] <liraz> I'm trying to do a ./bootstrap and I get: aclocal: configure.in: 39: macro `AM_PATH_ALSA' not found in library [12:12] <cafuego> bob2: nah, that's why you ask greg to do something nice with blueberries and vodka ;-) [12:12] <bob2> haha [12:12] <xinel> whats the diff between 200 years ogo and today absynth? [12:13] <bob2> the hallucinogenic properties [12:13] <cafuego> (greg being my local cocktail bar dude) [12:13] <refuze2looze> what script would be a good place to run xmodmap on startup? [12:13] <jowi> xinel, they needed to remove some "poison" as bob2 said [12:13] <xinel> haha [12:13] <xinel> bugger [12:13] <cafuego> If you need to hallucinate, just eat two entire nugmegs. [12:13] <konki> ubuntwho, well i don't know, thats as much as i can take you... i havn't learn how to uninstall a prog. on Linux. as i said 'newbie'.. thats as far i could take you [12:13] <cafuego> nutmegs too [12:14] <xinel> apt-get remove proggy [12:15] <ubuntwho> konki, k its cool [12:15] <ubuntwho> konki, im a newb too :] [12:15] <liraz> DOes anyone know why I would get such an error when trying to ./bootstrap btsco alsa ? [12:18] <ubuntwho> xinel, does the latest version of ubuntu come with wine? [12:18] <python_> konki: Whats up mate ill help you out.......without sarcasm too [12:19] <python_> private message me and ill see if i can get u sorted [12:19] <konki> sarcasm??? [12:19] <python_> ;-) [12:20] <konki> python_, well... thanks but i think ubuntwho needs a more help... i've already been cured [12:21] <ubuntwho> :] <--- newb [12:21] <darijr> someone has installed pearpc? [12:21] <bob2> best to just ask your question [12:21] <xinel> ubuntuwho: nope it doesn't [12:22] <konki> czechs absynthe $65 a btl buy 2 get 2 free... good deal... http://www.czechabsinth.com/ [12:22] <darijr> just to play with it... I would like to install OS X [12:22] <xinel> hahaha can't get dma to work on hdc [12:22] <liraz> has anyone here gotten a bluetooth headset working in ubuntu? [12:22] <ubuntwho> awsome brb [12:22] <python_> konki:dont seem to be working konki [12:22] <IIIEars> xine1 - that is very unusual. [12:22] <python_> wht do u need [12:23] <tha_gamemaster> darijr, the last i checked pearpc is still quite slow... how fast is your processor? [12:23] <darijr> I installed pearpc from apt... but which steps do I should follow... to run OS X under pearpc [12:23] <konki> python_, what do you mean?? [12:23] <darijr> is PIV 3.ooGhz [12:23] <paulproteus> darijr: I think this is covered on the pearpc web page. [12:23] <tha_gamemaster> darijr, i agree with paulproteus [12:23] <darijr> ok.. I see what it says [12:24] <konki> python_, i dont know whats up with this pvt thingie... how do i set it up?? [12:24] <beezly> uhoh - libcairo seems screwed in breezy :( [12:24] <beezly> new new apps for me :( [12:25] <python_> konki- Dont seem to be working right [12:25] <python_> just tell me here in main room [12:25] <xinel> hrmms can enable it easy on hdd [12:25] <konki> python_, i think so... you gonna send me some absynthe to USA?? [12:27] <konki> python_, yeah... wheres the new window?? [12:27] <konki> or tab [12:28] <python_> Look at the tab at bottom left do u see your name [12:28] <konki> yes [12:28] <python_> click tht konki [12:28] <konki> ok.. it says enter new nickname [12:28] <refuze2looze> what script would be a good place to run xmodmap on startup? [12:29] <python_> forget it for now, [12:29] <python_> just explain your proble here [12:30] <konki> python_, there wasn't any we was just chillin here "solving problems"... j/k... but i just needed some help on buying a new PC.. but its done already [12:31] <konki> notebook xtuallyh [12:31] <python_> thts good konki [12:32] <konki> yep, for someone back home... back in the islands.... [12:32] <konki> xtually my mom... [12:32] <xinel> seems to be that for a cdrom that is the master ide setting dma to on seems to be a problem [12:32] <mpmc> Honey, I'm home! [12:32] <mpmc> lol [12:33] <konki> but thanks anyways... need a break... [12:35] <zerboxx> looks like konki's break started while changing nicks [12:36] <QMario> Thank you Seveas. It's faster now. :) [12:40] <administrator> hi [12:40] <konki-is-on-brea> thanks python_ , later gotta rest... work tommorow @ FREEGEEK.org ... recycle recycle recycle... [12:40] <jantan21> hi room [12:42] <ubuntwho> python_, got a sec? [12:42] <python_> yep [12:43] <ubuntwho> i'm trying to install wine [12:43] <konki-is-on-brea> how come there are file transfers on my chat?? [12:43] <python_> Ubuntuwho, its a complex install [12:44] <python_> what win app do u wanna run out of curiosity [12:44] <konki-is-on-brea> file trasfers still active [12:44] <jowi> i can sucessfully log in and browse a samba share using smbclient but i can not mount a samba share to a mountpoint. I get wrong fs type [12:44] <topyli> konki-is-on-brea: not expecting any? [12:44] <konki-is-on-brea> topyli, yes [12:44] <jowi> anyone successfully mounted a smb share? [12:44] <konki-is-on-brea> jowi, i don't know?? [12:44] <ubuntwho> python_, steam [12:44] <topyli> konki-is-on-brea: yes you are expecting, or yes you are not? :) [12:45] <jowi> konki-is-on-brea, thank you! ;-) [12:45] <python_> what is steam [12:45] <konki-is-on-brea> i am not expecting any... i didn't request any [12:45] <ubuntwho> its for counter-strike [12:45] <topyli> konki-is-on-brea: just refuse them. as to how, depends on your client [12:45] <python_> is it a game? [12:45] <ubuntwho> yes [12:45] <opossumjack> paulproteus: hi... [12:46] <python_> ok [12:46] <python_> have u considered a dual boot [12:46] <jowi> i need help with smb share mounting [12:47] <ubuntwho> i have a dual boot [12:47] <konki-is-on-brea> i have X-chat it says when i try to close "Some file transfer still active, quit chat?" [12:47] <python_> why not just install the game on windows [12:47] <opossumjack> is the shipit-Free CD REALLY FREE?!?!?!? [12:48] <jip> i just bought a new crt-monitor. now when i start X, i see two horizontal lines on the screen. (no the monitor is not broken). any idea what software might cause this? [12:48] <topyli> konki-is-on-brea: try "yes" :) [12:48] <jip> and i'm running xfce4 [12:48] <python_> Also ubuntuwho: You may consider that WINE does not run every windows app [12:49] <ubuntwho> its installed on windows but i would like to see how linux handles it [12:50] <python_> ubuntuwho: Be honest when running through WINE or CrossOver Wndows apps dont run as well as they do in there own native environment [12:50] <python_> If the game is made for linux and can run natively then fine [12:51] <python_> Do you know there are some great open source games [12:52] <ubuntwho> are there any good first person shooters? [12:52] <python_> yes [12:52] <paulproteus> opossumjack: Yes, it's really free. [12:52] <Poromies> python_: I've noticed that some problems are running more stable on wine then they are on windows, and bit faster too :) [12:52] <Poromies> *problems = programs [12:52] <virtuel> jip, does your monitor have a trinitron CRT? [12:52] <python_> really [12:52] <python_> im surprised at that [12:52] <opossumjack> pulproteus: thanks a lot... I'll order it right now!!!! [12:53] <python_> I personally avoid WINE i dont see the point, i try to encourage open source alternatives [12:53] <Poromies> well not that surprising when you think of it.. wine is just windows re-coded as an OSS project ;) [12:53] <python_> When i once ran flash through wine it just wasnt the same [12:54] <jip> virtuel: flat [12:54] <python_> In the end i just thought id look for alternatives and came across SVG and LASZLO [12:54] <Poromies> python_: wine is not windows, nor is it windows emulator [12:54] <python_> Both Open Source [12:54] <Poromies> it's wine [12:54] <python_> I know WINE is not an emulator [12:54] <python_> I know its an open source win3s api [12:55] <python_> win32 rather [12:55] <virtuel> jip, most flat crt's these days have a trinitron tube in some form [12:55] <ubuntwho> are there any good sites on how to install WINE im getting lost since im a newb at their site [12:55] <python_> i think we should avoid proprietry software [12:55] <virtuel> jip, in which case, having two very faint horizontal lines on the screen is normal [12:55] <python_> ubuntuwho, TRY crossover linux, you have to buy it though but its cheap [12:56] <Poromies> ubuntwho: theres wine how-to at ubuntuforums, or there used to be atleast... [12:56] <python_> Crossover is based on WINE but is easy to setup [12:57] <ubuntwho> Poromies, ok ill give it a look [12:57] <jip> virtuel: oh :) thanks for the info. i'm gonna check this out [12:57] <paulproteus> Poromies: I think so, too. [12:57] <virtuel> jip, the best thing you can do is to boot into something alternative, and see if you see it [12:57] <virtuel> the lines aren't usually visible on a black screen [12:58] <jip> if i use higher resolution i can see em better [12:59] <virtuel> the lines are about 1/3 from the top & 1/3 from the bottom? [01:00] <ploum> Hello [01:01] <ploum> anyone knows which OOo will be in Breezy ? [01:01] <bob2> both of them are there now [01:02] <ploum> bob2: I know but I wonder wich one will be the default one [01:02] <topyli> probably depends on the stability of OOo [01:02] <xinel> bbl reboot [01:03] <topyli> doh what a truism [01:09] <abhayks> what is the difference between Breezy & hoary backports ? [01:09] <deFrysk> breezy backports ? [01:09] <deFrysk> where ? [01:09] <bob2> hoary backports are by random non-ubuntu people [01:09] <bob2> breezy is developed a bunch of ubuntu people and will be the next release [01:10] <topyli> abhayks: i doubt there are backports for breezy :) [01:10] <abhayks> topyli: I rephrase my question-- diff between (breezy) and (hoary backports) ? [01:11] <prego> Eh! what happened to debian-marillat repositories? [01:11] <bob2> they were never intended for use with ubuntu [01:11] <bob2> they were coincidentally compatible, somtimes [01:11] <abhayks> (hoary ackports) are officially supported too [01:11] <topyli> abhayks: oh. :) hoary backports are backported from breezy sources. there are also extras that are not in breezy [01:11] <prego> bob2, where do I get w32codecs from now? [01:12] <bob2> in the sense they're on an ubuntu.com now, as of 2 days ago [01:12] <bob2> prego: get it and install it with dpkg [01:12] <bob2> or get it from mplayerhq.hu [01:12] <prego> bob2, OK, thanks [01:12] <abhayks> topyli: so all breezy packages are backported to hoary ? [01:13] <bob2> no [01:13] <topyli> abhayks: not at all [01:13] <bob2> thank god [01:13] <topyli> heh [01:13] <marlijs> hello, does anyone know howto get canon i250 to work in hoary? [01:13] <marlijs> it's a pirnter [01:14] <topyli> abhayks: only those that someone has felt strongly enough to request [01:14] <topyli> abhayks: and that someone else has agreed to do [01:15] <abhayks> topyli: bob2: thanks [01:15] <topyli> abhayks: generally, you shouldn't need backports. there are some useful packages in backports-extras though [01:15] <fabio> Hello all [01:16] <abhayks> topyli: could u suggest a few [01:16] <prego> no amd64 packages in backports :-(( [01:17] <topyli> abhayks: not me. :) i do have stuff like tomboy and beagle i want to play with [01:17] <fabio> guys, have got probs with fonts, when I am reading my chm files in xCHM and CHMViewer I manage to see little square boxes with number instead of special characters... [01:18] <sirfred> Good morning. [01:18] <topyli> good afternoon sirfred :) [01:18] <sirfred> I've just upgraded my Hoary to Breezy. I have some problems that perhaps there's a known solution for them. [01:19] <sirfred> The first one is that my altgr key is working as alt. [01:19] <topyli> sirfred: you're supposed to have (and fix) problems with breezy [01:19] <sirfred> topyli: I know. [01:19] <topyli> the folks at #ubuntu-devel should be more in-the-know [01:19] <sirfred> Another thing is that I'm not able to change the X server dpi. [01:20] <sirfred> Also, my pcmcia memory cards are not automounting. [01:21] <sirfred> Any idea about these three problems? [01:21] <benba> hi everybody, please help, how to play mp3 in ubuntu ? [01:21] <abhayks> in Breezy <CTRL>+<ALT>+<F1> does not work. [01:21] <paulproteus> benba: See the wiki page on RestrictedFormats [01:21] <bob2> note breezy is known to not work [01:21] <paulproteus> abhayks: Interesting. I wonder if that's a feature. [01:21] <deFrysk> !mp3 [01:21] <ubotu> mp3 is probably read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support [01:21] <benba> thaks [01:22] <benba> thanks :) [01:22] <sirfred> abhayks: Yes, perhaps the problems are related (ctrl+alt+Fx and altgr) [01:22] <virtuel> ben_d, http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs should also provide some clues [01:22] <paulproteus> !ubuntuguide [01:22] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why. [01:22] <prego> Does evolution spam filter work standalone or you need spamassasin installed? [01:22] <bob2> prego: it uses SA, yes [01:22] <abhayks> paulproteus: It is STILL not a feature [01:23] <paulproteus> abhayks: What do you mean, "it is STILL not a feature"? [01:23] <prego> bob2, so I have to install the spamassassin package, don't I? [01:23] <sirfred> I've also lost the white cursor theme [01:23] <deFrysk> sirfred, sudoapt-get gcursor [01:23] <paulproteus> abhayks: Maybe in the drive to make everything user-friendly Ubuntu will be dropping Ctrl-Alt-Fn for future releases by default. [01:23] <bob2> prego: if you want spam filtering, I'd say so [01:23] <abhayks> well we tend to pass defect as features [01:23] <bob2> prego: it does Recommend it for a reason [01:23] <sirfred> deFrysk: I'm going to try. Thanks. [01:24] <paulproteus> prego: aptitude --with-recommends install <packagename> [01:24] <bob2> abhayks: if you think you found a bug, file it if no one else has [01:24] <paulproteus> That's what I do to avoid considerations like what you're thinking through. [01:24] <bob2> but breezy's X is expected to be broken [01:24] <bob2> just don't upgrade if you want a working system [01:24] <sirfred> bob2: I always forget that. [01:24] <abhayks> bob2: There is already a bug for this [01:25] <bob2> abhayks: cool, then wait until next week and it'll hopefully be fixed [01:25] <topyli> the dreaded Crack Development Phase :) [01:25] <abhayks> bob2: I have installed breezy and its working well. Except for a few small problems [01:25] <bob2> awesome [01:25] <bob2> but if you're going to whine on irc, please just stay on hoary [01:26] <topyli> i use hoary because i insist on whining [01:26] <bob2> the general you, not anyone in particular [01:26] <topyli> i just wish i had something to whine about [01:26] <paulproteus> topyli: Heh. [01:27] <topyli> perhaps i'll go whine about this here XP box on some other channel :) [01:27] <Raptoid> Soyle saglam wallpaper adresi soylesenize bana linux ile ilgili ? [01:27] <bob2> this is pretty clearly an english-speaking channel [01:28] <spanglesontoast> can you encrypt an archive? [01:28] <bob2> a tar archive? [01:28] <jantan21> hi all [01:28] <abhayks> bob2: I said my breezy is working well. I am not whinning merely telling people my experience [01:28] <bob2> of course, gpg --symmetric [01:28] <bob2> abhayks: as I said, "general you, not anyone in particular" [01:29] <spanglesontoast> what's that do [01:29] <spanglesontoast> do I need to have a copy of the key then? [01:29] <bob2> ... [01:29] <bimberi> man gpg [01:29] <bob2> it encrypts a file with a password [01:29] <bimberi> oops [01:29] <spanglesontoast> ah so I should make the file first [01:29] <bob2> of course [01:29] <bob2> and then read the gpg man page [01:30] <topyli> doesn't file-roller encrypt zips on the fly? [01:30] <spanglesontoast> it's just this file manager or archive manager etc [01:30] <spanglesontoast> has a password on it [01:30] <spanglesontoast> so does that mean I could have two passwords? [01:30] <bob2> did you mean "zip file" instead of "archive"? [01:30] <prego> bob2, Evo should complain if no spamassasin installed when marking a message as trash... [01:30] <jantan21> hi bob can u help me ? [01:30] <bob2> prego: then file a wishlist bug saying that [01:31] <bob2> jantan21: you don't seem to have asked a question [01:31] <prego> bob2, good idea [01:31] <bob2> jantan21: and please stop /msg'ing me [01:31] <spanglesontoast> well I'm using .tar.gz [01:31] <bob2> then find out how it was encrypted [01:31] <jantan21> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate <<< why? [01:32] <spanglesontoast> oh does that get encrypted? [01:32] <bob2> jantan21: wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoryHowto [01:32] <bob2> spanglesontoast: so, we're going in circles [01:32] <bob2> spanglesontoast: just ask your real question [01:32] <rapha> Morning [01:33] <spanglesontoast> well I'm wondering does the file roller [01:33] <spanglesontoast> provide password protection for .tar.gz [01:34] <jantan21> jantan21: wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoryHowto <<<next ? [01:34] <bob2> what? [01:34] <bob2> go read it [01:34] <spanglesontoast> ok [01:34] <spanglesontoast> and what does a file disappear mean [01:34] <spanglesontoast> when I right click on it [01:42] <ex-parrot> I don't know whre to ask this... anyone know why Rhymthbox doesn't work when using XFCE under Ubuntu? [01:42] <ex-parrot> it complains about not being able to open a resource for writing [01:46] <znh> ... Is there a ubuntu package for the java runtimes? [01:46] <Ocid> !java [01:46] <ubotu> [java] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added. [01:47] <znh> thank you [01:48] <znh> eh.. I just want jre [01:48] <znh> not the whole java thingy :/ [01:49] <znh> nevermind got it already [01:50] <luzbelito> hi to all. i had a big big trouble: i edited /etc/sudoers for make a test, and now i can't use root terminal and can't use sudo. any help please? i am driving crazy. [01:50] <afv-13> struggling with novell client, alien -t'd all the rpm and now i'm stuck with the init.d files [01:50] <znh> damn compiling Kopete takes long [01:50] <afv-13> anyone else try this? [01:51] <luzbelito> . [01:52] <znh> , [01:52] <Tomcat_> luzbelito: I think you need to use a LiveCD like Knoppix or the Ubuntu Live, then mount your disk, and edit sudoers from there. [01:52] <Tomcat_> luzbelito: No idea if there's an easier way. [01:52] <virtuel> Tomcat_, there is a utility to edit sudoers. It's referenced in /etc/sudoers [01:53] <luzbelito> Tomcat_, i am downloading now knoppix .iso file. can it be burned with gnome baker hu ? [01:53] <Tomcat_> virtuel: I see... visudo. But you need to run that as root, and he can't do that. [01:53] <Tomcat_> luzbelito: Yeah, will work. [01:53] <virtuel> sudo visudo [01:53] <luzbelito> yeah, i try visudo after the first change, and it cant be used [01:53] <Tomcat_> virtuel: He locked himself out of the sudoers. [01:54] <virtuel> Tomcat_, ah. then you're right [01:54] <luzbelito> lenin@cccp:/$ sudo visudo [01:54] <luzbelito> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 24 <<< [01:54] <luzbelito> sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 24 [01:54] <luzbelito> there is the error [01:54] <luzbelito> i suppose there is the problem, but i followed manual instructions... i don't know why [01:56] <spamalope> whats on line 2 [01:56] <spamalope> 4 [01:57] <luzbelito> i cant see sudoers file now. [01:57] <spamalope> cant cat it? [01:57] <luzbelito> can i delete sudoers line 24 ? [01:57] <luzbelito> i dont think so with no root permission [01:57] <luzbelito> cat: sudoers: Permission denied [01:58] <elsha> hey, i've been spending most of the afternoon trying to get webcam working... i have the drivers working so that it's working in xawtv, but it comes up with "failed to open the device" when i test it on gnomemeeting... any ideas? [02:01] <luzbelito> any other option for my problem to edit sudoers ??? [02:02] <virtuel> luzbelito, what Tomcat_ initially said: boot from CD [02:03] <liran_> im on gaim, and im just seeing that i can't send files... i mean, i dont have that option. [02:03] <liran_> am i missing some plugin? [02:03] <roo_> liran, what network? [02:03] <roo_> msn/yahoo/aim? [02:03] <liran_> icq [02:03] <roo_> liran, gaim only supports file transfer for certain networks. [02:04] <roo_> liran, try lircq [02:04] <liran_> i see, ok [02:04] <roo_> liran, licq even (sudo apt-get install licq) [02:06] <equex> anyone have a tip for me? suddenly my dvdrom doesnt work properly, it sees all DVDs as blank. regular cdroms work though. the DVD rom is confirmed to work(wich i installed Ubuntu with) Konqueror says "Malformed URL" when i try to open it (/cdrom0) [02:07] <equex> this apparently happened after i broke a line my fstab, but it is now fixed (and that line was about another device anyway) [02:08] <Smof> hello! I'm a proper newbie to ubuntu, just learning to use lftp. Can anyone tell me if there is a command to remove all the files in a directory so I don't have to type them all out? Also how do I delete a directory itself? Thanks [02:09] <liraz> Is there any GUI I can use to edit the services in linux? [02:09] <bimberi> luzbelito: boot in recovery mode and visudo from there [02:10] <squareyes> evening all, am very much in need of help with printer setup, please [02:11] <hunn> hi :) testing new installed ubuntu ... [02:11] <hunn> ... done [02:13] <ToRTuReD_X> hey guys [02:13] <tahorg> there is still no date for xorg to be fixed in breezy ? [02:13] <ToRTuReD_X> what's the command to create a new user? [02:13] <tahorg> ToRTuReD_X: adduser [02:14] <bimberi> ToRTuReD_X: adduser [02:15] <jantan21> Line Number 1285, Column 48 <<<why ? [02:16] <jantan21> <property class="bios" subclass="3" name="5"/720_kb_floppy_services_are_supported_(int_13h)" type="string">true</property> [02:16] <jantan21> << help me [02:16] <ToRTuReD_X> thanks guys [02:16] <ToRTuReD_X> had to format and reinstall [02:17] <ToRTuReD_X> but couldn't reinstall ubuntu [02:17] <tahorg> doh [02:17] <tahorg> why ? [02:17] <ToRTuReD_X> had to move to Vector Linux [02:17] <ToRTuReD_X> erm [02:17] <ToRTuReD_X> one of the boot thingies died [02:17] <ToRTuReD_X> gump? [02:17] <ToRTuReD_X> grump? [02:17] <tahorg> grub [02:17] <ToRTuReD_X> glump? [02:17] <ToRTuReD_X> yeh that's it [02:17] <ToRTuReD_X> it wouldn't install [02:17] <tahorg> really easy to install [02:17] <ToRTuReD_X> no it had fatal errors [02:18] <jantan21> how can u so me install ubuntu true [02:19] <ToRTuReD_X> jantan? [02:19] <jantan21> from web [02:19] <jantan21> how can u show me install ubuntu true [02:19] <jantan21> from web [02:20] <jantan21> help me [02:20] <ToRTuReD_X> http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/install/ [02:20] <nnacht> jantan: what is your problem? [02:20] <jantan21> i'am install xmms [02:20] <nnacht> jantan: and_ [02:21] <jantan21> Package xmms has no installation candidate <<<warning [02:22] <jantan21> tell me if i am wrong with my install ? [02:22] <nnacht> jantan21: I supose you can try other repositories, and apt-get update [02:23] <ToRTuReD_X> someone wanna help me mount my hard drive so that i can access my music [02:23] <nnacht> or u just download the source and compile by yourself [02:23] <ToRTuReD_X> ;/ [02:23] <nnacht> ToRTuRED: just mount /dev/hd?? /the/path/youwantmount [02:24] <jantan21> Reading package lists... Done <<<ok [02:25] <jantan21> next [02:25] <ToRTuReD_X> thanks nnacht [02:25] <ToRTuReD_X> anyway [02:25] <ToRTuReD_X> rebooting into normal user [02:26] <Smof> can anyone tell me the command for deleting a directory? [02:26] <nnacht> smof: rmdir [02:26] <jantan21> smof : what next ? [02:27] <nnacht> smof: or if the directory is not empty, just try 'rm -fr # [02:27] <jantan21> nnacht : what next ? [02:27] <liran_> what easy WYSIWYG html editor can i get for ubuntu? [02:27] <nnacht> liran_: nvu [02:27] <IIIEars> mozilla NVU [02:27] <Smof> nnacht, what does that do? I mean does the 'fr' stand for something? I find it so much easier to remember this stuff if I know what it means [02:27] <IIIEars> open office does a passable job for a simple page [02:27] <liran_> ok ill look it up on synaptic [02:28] <nnacht> smof: ok, let me try to explain. [02:28] <nnacht> smof: if the directory is empty, just type 'rmdir thedir' [02:29] <liran_> uhm, no match for mozilla NVU or just NVU [02:29] <nnacht> smof: else you try to type 'rm -fr thedir', where f means force and r means rekursiv [02:29] <Smof> ok [02:29] <Smof> cool, thanks [02:29] <jantan21> nnacht ::: help me [02:29] <nnacht> that means everything in the directory will be deleted [02:29] <liran_> nnacht, its actually rikursyv :P [02:30] <nnacht> jantan: what is the problem? [02:30] <jantan21> i can't install xmms ? [02:30] <nightswim> yes you can [02:31] <nnacht> jantan: have you tried another repository? [02:31] <jantan21> taech me [02:31] <nnacht> ok [02:32] <IIIEars> ToRTuReD_X, - Check out this script for mounting all avilable drives. (Thanks Seveas. ) http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/518 [02:32] <liran_> what software can i use to create an avi/mpg video of screenshots? [02:32] <Smof> ok, now I seem to have a problem with my directory names. I created them in Windows and they have spaces, so it's not understanding my command. [02:32] <nnacht> u can try deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted [02:33] <nnacht> smof: use '\' and press the space [02:33] <sorush21> guys how do I make sure that port 110 is open and what is a good front end program for firewall [02:33] <Smof> nnacht, I put it in quotes and that seemed to work. Guessing is fun! [02:33] <nnacht> smof: I do agree with u [02:33] <liraz> Can someone help me figure out while thunderbird is insisting on only using antialiasing? [02:34] <liraz> It does not match with the truetype fonts I'm using, and I have set AA off for them [02:34] <ToRTuReD_X> dammit [02:34] <johnnybezak> hey guys, do you know of any traffic shaping QoS programs that aren't just using the kernel tools? I have read through some how-to's and I'm sure I'm up to it I'm just hoping there is a simpler way [02:34] <ToRTuReD_X> how do i install tar.gz files without an extractor? [02:34] <nightswim> with an extractor [02:35] <nnacht> tar zxvf ... [02:35] <ToRTuReD_X> -_- [02:35] <johnnybezak> you can't haha they need to be extracted [02:36] <ilba7r> what is the command to list the partitions and their size [02:36] <Smof> final problem. One of the names has a word in square brackets, it's called 'Randoms and [spunge] ', and it's getting confused by the [spunge] bit thinking it's a command [02:36] <bimberi> ilba7r: sudo fdisk -l [02:36] <nnacht> smof, just use \[ [02:37] <Dartsani> df [02:37] <ilba7r> thanx bimberi [02:37] <ToRTuReD_X> ok [02:37] <ToRTuReD_X> extracted [02:37] <bimberi> yw :) [02:37] <ToRTuReD_X> all i have is xpi files [02:37] <ToRTuReD_X> what now? [02:38] <superCoco> h [02:38] <Smof> I don't follow you. It doesn't seem to do anything with the \ [02:39] <squareyes> evening all, my printer/s epson LQ500, and HP laserjet 4 plus won't work with Ubuntu (or any other Linux distro) on parallel cable, /dev/lp0 seems to be there ls /dev/lp0 shows it [02:39] <bimberi> ToRTuReD_X: are you installing addins for mozilla ? [02:39] <squareyes> any ideas Please? [02:39] <ToRTuReD_X> bimberi - nope installing firefox on debian [02:39] <ToRTuReD_X> ;/ [02:39] <ToRTuReD_X> erm [02:39] <ToRTuReD_X> sorry [02:39] <ToRTuReD_X> slackware [02:40] <ToRTuReD_X> well a distro based on it [02:40] <IIIEars> ubotu winmac_fstab is http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/ Ubotu: Psst! Seveas you made me look good again. - Thanks. :) [02:40] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars [02:41] <bimberi> ToRTuReD_X: no readme extracted? [02:41] <IIIEars> ubotu ubotu forget winmac fstab [02:41] <ubotu> IIIEars: Are you smoking crack? [02:41] <IIIEars> ubotu forget winmac fstab [02:41] <ubotu> i didn't have anything called 'winmac fstab', IIIEars [02:41] <IIIEars> ubotu forget winmac_fstab [02:41] <ubotu> i forgot winmac_fstab, IIIEars [02:42] <mpmc> !info msn [02:42] <Jen20> Where can I download all the security updates for hoary to then rip to a CD? I'd like to install them before connecting to the net with a new installation. http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz doesn't have URIs. [02:42] <IIIEars> ubotu winmac is winmac_fstab http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/ Ubotu: Psst! Seveas you made me look good again. - Thanks. :) [02:42] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars [02:42] <mpmc> !search msn [02:42] <ubotu> mpmc: Wish i knew [02:42] <mpmc> search msn [02:42] <ToRTuReD_X> bimberi, [02:42] <mpmc> !ubotu help [02:43] <ToRTuReD_X> none [02:43] <sexcopter8000m> this might sound like a silly question, but how can i abort a download in wget? [02:43] <ToRTuReD_X> just apt.xpi and browser.xpi [02:43] <ToRTuReD_X> close the terminal? [02:43] <sexcopter8000m> no, i think wget carries on in the background [02:43] <thesamet> any other breezy user has firefox crashes today? [02:43] <IIIEars> mpmc - !question_topic_item or ubotu question_topic_item [02:44] <Smof> thesamet, one [02:44] <Dartsani> sex....try system monitor? [02:44] <Smof> and one yesterday. they're the only times it's crashed for me [02:44] <IIIEars> hm - irc swallows underlines [02:44] <ToRTuReD_X> hmm [02:44] <ToRTuReD_X> how do you update ubuntu [02:44] <bimberi> ToRTuReD_X: I've only ever used xpi files by opening them in a mozilla app (firefox, thunderbird ...) [02:45] <ToRTuReD_X> trying to remember the download command [02:45] <ToRTuReD_X> lol [02:45] <IIIEars> torsmo or gkrellem system monitors are worth a peak. [02:45] <sexcopter8000m> Dartsani, yep, found it there [02:45] <chrissturm> how can i configure how long urls are kept in the history in epiphany? [02:45] <IIIEars> ToRTuReD_X, - there is a tool under admin tools [02:46] <IIIEars> apt-get update [02:46] <CapSoft> where can i get the wmv3 codec? [02:46] <sorush21> guys how do you mount a .iso image with K3b or Gnome Baker [02:47] <liran_> so uhm, any ideas how do i create video screenshots in ubuntu? [02:47] <thesamet> smof, i read in the forums to downgrade libcairo back to 0.5.2. checking now [02:48] <Dr_Fate> https://www.optionsxpress.com/# [02:48] <Dr_Fate> THe tabs across the top of that page [02:49] <Dr_Fate> 2 questions [02:49] <Dr_Fate> does clikc on them result in anything for you in FF? [02:49] <yccheok> any scilab user here? [02:49] <Dr_Fate> and are you able to see the last tab "help"? [02:50] <jantan21> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or [02:50] <jantan21> is only available from another source <<< why can't [02:51] <jantan21> Package xmms has no installation candidate <<<warning [02:51] <topyli> jantan21: xmms is in universe, which you don't seem to have enabled [02:53] <jantan21> i can't install xmms [02:54] <elsha> oh yes, rub it in my face bimberi :P [02:54] <jantan21> i was try anything but i can't [02:54] <chrissturm> do i need modules-restricted to get my logitech usb cam working? [02:54] <Aloysius> help...anyone...i just used partition magic to resize my windows partition to give ubuntu more space and its fried my partition table i think....now when i boot pc its getting to where grub menu should pop up and dying [02:54] <Ocid> ubotu: tell jantan21 about repos [02:54] <bimberi> elsha: lol - not the intention i assure you :) [02:54] <topyli> jantan21: sure you can [02:55] <Smof> now, what is the command for creating a new directory? [02:55] <Aloysius> is there a linux version of the windows FDISK -MBR???? [02:55] <Aloysius> mkdir [02:55] <topyli> Aloysius: partition tables are hard to fix, especially if you don't have it backed up [02:56] <topyli> Aloysius: grub-install [02:56] <Aloysius> topyli: would it be possible to install ubuntu again over the top and retain all my settings? [02:57] <Aloysius> topyli where should i grub-install? from the live cd or at boot on the install cd? [02:57] <Smof> thankyou [02:57] <topyli> Aloysius: if your /home is on a separate partition, and if the installer can read the partition table [02:57] <topyli> Aloysius: live cd, boot floppy, just boot however you can [02:57] <IIIEars> liran - this looks like a the app you want for DVD totem-xine here is where it is dicussed. http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/wolves/2005-May/013841.html [02:58] <topyli> Aloysius: and throw away partition magic :) [02:58] <Aloysius> im booted in the live cd at moment...so if i drop into a term and run grub-install? [02:58] <topyli> Aloysius: you need to chroot to your root partition [02:58] <abhayks> aloysius: try [02:58] <bimberi> Aloysius: this might help - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [02:58] <Aloysius> topyli: yeh i agree now...have had years of use with it problem free...till today :( [02:59] <topyli> phone -> [02:59] <raven3x7> hello [03:00] <IIIEars> Aloysius - gparted, qtparted or even dd [03:00] <BiSK-8> hello [03:00] <raven3x7> has anyone succeded in using the nvidia 6111 drivers wth hoary? [03:00] <BiSK-8> can any1 tell me if i order an iPod from america will it work on the italian usb lines? [03:00] <mysticness> Wow, what a big channel. Biggest I've ever seen. :P [03:00] <Dr_Fate> can someone check that link for me please? [03:00] <topyli> Aloysius: but chrooting is going to be hard since you can't read the partition table [03:01] <bimberi> mysticness: /join #debian [03:01] <mysticness> Could I get a census of opinions? I'm a newbie to Linux, and while some people recommended Slackware for stability, they said Ubuntu would be the better route for a newbie like myself. [03:01] <mysticness> Do you agree? [03:01] <cosemek> I know it's not the right place, but can anyone help me out with connecting to IRC hrough telnet? [03:02] <topyli> mysticness: obviously, many on this channel would agree :) [03:02] <bimberi> mysticness: i would - but this is an interesting place to ask [03:02] <topyli> mysticness: not all of them newbies either [03:02] <elsha> cosemek, got irssi? [03:02] <elsha> irssi <servername> [03:02] <cosemek> elsha what's that? [03:02] <IIIEars> mysticness - Sure, Ubuntu is the best. - If you need a little help make a direct connect and i?l walk you through the install! :) [03:02] <elsha> type it in a telnet window and see if it works [03:03] <BiSK-8> can any1 tell me if there is itunes for ubuntu? [03:03] <cosemek> nope [03:03] <elsha> BiSK-8, yes [03:03] <BiSK-8> and can i get it with apt-get? [03:03] <mysticness> Does Ubuntu allow newbies to gain more knowledge as they use it? Thanks for the offer, Ears, but I don't have an installation CD yet. I'm ordering one from the site as soon as I figure out what the US's country code is... [03:03] <elsha> cosemek: try irc <server> [03:04] <topyli> mysticness: it hides nothing [03:04] <mysticness> Awesome. [03:04] <elsha> BiSK-8, i've only just installed ubuntu myself, but i have seen ipod features in music player [03:04] <Aloysius> fingers crossed.... fdisk -l /dev/hda shows all my partitions are there... [03:04] <IIIEars> mysticness. - it is pretty insulated from what runs under the hood. [03:04] <raven3x7> anyone know why the 6111 nvidia drivers wont install? [03:04] <topyli> IIIEars: it is? [03:05] <bimberi> BiSK-8: there's also "gtkpod" [03:05] <mysticness> One of my primary reasons for switching to Linux is to learn more about computers in general, so as long as I can get down and dirty with the OS when I decide I'm good enough, I'm fine. [03:05] <IIIEars> topyli - a new user can use nothing but a gui for nearly everything. [03:06] <topyli> IIIEars: of course. and another user may use a bunch of terminals :) [03:06] <IIIEars> true ;) [03:07] <mysticness> I've worked a little bit in DOS and other terminal programs like a MySQL server. Sure, it's not much experience, but every little bit counts to a newbie. [03:07] <BiSK-8> ok [03:07] <topyli> IIIEars: personally i treat ubuntu as a debian box [03:07] <BiSK-8> thanks [03:08] <BiSK-8> and bimberi or elsha, are the usb plugs universal? will it work here in italy if i order it from the us? [03:08] <ToRTuReD_X> man [03:08] <topyli> mysticness: you'll love the unix shells after dos. these shells you can actually do some stuff with :) [03:08] <IIIEars> mysticness - great support. (500 users in this room) [03:08] <ToRTuReD_X> i am so close to downloading debian and installing it [03:09] <raven3x7> ToRTuReD_X, me too [03:09] <mysticness> I'm not 100% familiar with what a shell is, but yeah; DOS is a pain. I expected it to be able to do a lot of things, since it's text based. But it's not all that useful, from my experiences. [03:10] <IIIEars> ToRTuReD_X, - are you looking for a list of things ubotu knows? [03:10] <mysticness> Good for formatting, though. ;] [03:10] <cosemek> mysticness, lol [03:10] <godzirra_> Anyone have experience getting bootsplash to work nicely with ubuntu? [03:10] <topyli> mysticness: basically, any interface is a shell (even the crappy dos command line) [03:11] <raven3x7> is there a cheatcode to start ubuntu without udev? [03:11] <godzirra_> Seveas: someone told me you did, but I dont think yuo're ever actually here? :) [03:11] <raven3x7> like -noudev or smomething? [03:11] <IIIEars> trouble is the syntax for windows terminals is ?pdated"seemingly whenever M$ has a whim. [03:11] <topyli> mysticness: this is a multiuser multi-tasking OS. dos is a single-user non-multitaskin non-os :) [03:11] <bimberi> BiSK-8: i'd be very suprised if it didn't work [03:12] <BiSK-8> bimberi, for electrical equiptment u need an adaptor [03:12] <BiSK-8> here [03:12] <mysticness> Oh, so even an emulator could be considered a shell. [03:12] <topyli> mysticness: its user interface could [03:12] <raven3x7> !udev [03:12] <ubotu> raven3x7: I don't know [03:12] <bimberi> BiSK-8: yes indeed, but you were asking about usb [03:12] <mysticness> Yeah, that's what I mean. [03:12] <raven3x7> hmm [03:12] <mysticness> It's 8 AM and I haven't had coffee yet [03:12] <mysticness> x_x [03:13] <liraz> Has anyone succesfully setup windows fonts? I have made my own specialised fonts.conf which works fine. BUT: firefox just refuses to use windows fonts on some sites(like ubuntuforums.org) and thunderbird decides that it wants AA turned on(without my permission and against fonts.conf!) what the heck is going on? [03:13] <cosemek> it's 4 pm and i've slept for 10-12 hours. [03:13] <BiSK-8> bimberi, yes, is it the same? [03:13] <godzirra_> cosemek: I hate you. :p [03:13] <mysticness> Thumbs up to you, cosemek. [03:13] <topyli> mysticness: like the linux kernel might be an interesting piece of code, but it's not much fun without a user interface :) [03:13] <godzirra_> Its 9am and I slept like 3. [03:13] <liraz> cosemek, ya cosachta [03:13] <godzirra_> :) [03:13] <cosemek> godzirra_ :] [03:13] <mysticness> Nothing beats 12 hours of good sleep. [03:13] <bimberi> it's 2313 and I'm about to go to sleep :) [03:13] <topyli> or 12 cups of coffee [03:14] <godzirra_> I'm off to work. [03:14] <mysticness> Hm, can the GUI be hacked/edited to suit my tastes? Themes, if you will? I'm a pixel artist and eventually plan on creating my own themes/skins for whatever OS I move to. [03:14] <IIIEars> topyli - everything larger than tmsrtbt floppy is - bloated. j/k [03:15] <bimberi> BiSK-8: I can't give you an iron-clad guarantee but I'd be very very suprised if usb wasn't a universal standard [03:15] <IIIEars> !themes [03:15] <ubotu> hmm... themes is http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ [03:15] <topyli> mysticness: if you can't find what you like from the 100 or so window managers and desktop environments, write your own :) [03:15] <mysticness> Hmm, good point. [03:15] <IIIEars> !gdm [03:15] <ubotu> I don't know, IIIEars [03:15] <topyli> and yes, most of them are themeable and configurable [03:15] <IIIEars> ubotu amnesiac is you [03:15] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay [03:15] <LasseL> I just installed openbox. I am really amazed how fast it runs compared to metacity [03:16] <nophix> mysticness: and it's open source, nuff said ;) [03:16] <topyli> hack away! [03:16] <mysticness> I've come to love open source. [03:17] <mysticness> Now if only I had the skills to make use of its open-sourceness. [03:17] <mysticness> :P [03:17] <thenuke> now if I only could make love to open source [03:17] <nophix> the skills are open source too [03:17] <mysticness> I'm learning PHP, so I guess it's a start. [03:17] <topyli> thenuke: it is [03:17] <Andares> If only love were open source. [03:17] <mysticness> 1000 years ago, it was [03:17] <cosemek> Andares O_o [03:17] <mysticness> Promiscuity and all. [03:17] <IFRFLYR> Morning (or afternoon) all ; I'm trying to install Net::FTP and having troubl,e probably cause I'm completely ignorant of Perl but need it. I did perl -e shell MCPAN and install Net::FTP and got Not enough arguments on install. Can anyone help? [03:18] <Andares> Selecting previously deselected package 'love'. [03:18] <Arnald> is there a known build prob with libavformat ATM? - avformat.h:214: error: nested redefinition of 'enum AVDiscard' [03:18] <cosemek> BRB [03:18] <Andares> ERROR: Unresolved Dependencies. (libhuman1, sex2.3.1-ubuntu1) [03:18] <Arnald> sorry wrong tab ;) [03:19] <nophix> who needs love, i have porn-get [03:19] <cosemek> congrats [03:19] <mysticness> :) [03:19] <cosemek> though I just DL them [03:19] <mysticness> I have a 20KB/s connection. [03:19] <mysticness> So that's laughable. [03:19] <cosemek> I have 200KB connection :D [03:19] <mysticness> I don't have a CD burner, either. [03:20] <cosemek> oh [03:20] <cosemek> I got DVD-Burner :) [03:20] <mysticness> This comp is 6 years old. I can't wait to get enough money to build a new one. This one's OEM, too. [03:20] <cosemek> Mine is 4.5 years old.. [03:20] <topyli> Andares: liar :) [03:20] <cosemek> the only thing ive upgraded is the dvd burner [03:21] <Andares> >;o [03:21] <priest> is it some kind of joke that 'open command line' is gone in the right-click-meny in new gnome? (in breeze) [03:21] <IIIEars> ubotu xwindows is Linux freedom Style, User power, or RAM stingy speed Ubuntu linux is what you want it to be. http://xwinman.org/ [03:21] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars [03:21] <mysticness> I'd upgrade this comp, but it's a Dell, and pretty much everything needs upgrading. It'd be cheaper(and nicer) to just buy all the stuff for a new one. [03:21] <topyli> mysticness: the shipping is notoriously slow. could you get someone to burn the cd for you? [03:22] <mysticness> My parents have a computer with a CD burner, but there's no way they'd keep a download dialog box open for that long. [03:22] <mysticness> And I can't seem to get the network view to work on my side of the connection. [03:22] <topyli> they're on modem as well? [03:22] <mysticness> It's actually supposed to be DSL, but we're so far from the source that the speed just plain sucks. [03:22] <elsha> has anyone ever had the problems of programs just not loading? i'm trying to open gnomemeeting, it appears as 'starting' on the panel, and the cursor is 'loading', but just nothing opens. and its not in the minimised section of the panel. [03:23] <IIIEars> mysticness - try a net cafe or net game center. [03:23] <mysticness> I live out in the boonies. :( [03:23] <topyli> mysticness: time to teach them how to use download managers and dowload a bit at a time :) [03:23] <topyli> like bittorrent [03:23] <mysticness> Hmm.. [03:24] <LasseL> yeah get BT [03:24] <topyli> unless they think it's criminal [03:24] <LasseL> not any more criminal than ftp [03:24] <bimberi> elsha: try running it from a terminal to see if there is an error [03:24] <IIIEars> gozilla or getright for windows a pretty good (adware/nagware non-free) [03:24] <topyli> LasseL: no it's not, but some people are brainwashed to think so [03:24] <topyli> :( [03:24] <mysticness> I dunno what they think. I just know that they won't keep a download open for very long. After an hour they'd probably get flustered. [03:24] <elsha> no error [03:25] <elsha> just goes to the next line, and doesn't open it [03:25] <cosemek> BRB, switching to my linux [03:25] <elsha> i've tried reinstalling it through the repository [03:25] <mysticness> Hmm.. [03:25] <elsha> it just likes to break *smacks ubuntu around* [03:25] <sorush20> guys how do I move to the root directory form terminal... [03:26] <Dartsani> cd / [03:26] <topyli> mysticness: it's the recommended download method [03:26] <mysticness> Sweet. [03:26] <topyli> cheaper on them :) [03:27] <mysticness> i386.torrent for a Pentium 3, correct? [03:27] <sorush20> sam@ubuntu:/root$ gzip d pavcl_linux_i386.tgz [03:27] <sorush20> gzip: d: No such file or directory [03:27] <sorush20> gzip: pavcl_linux_i386.tgz: No such file or directory [03:27] <topyli> mysticness: yes [03:27] <bimberi> elsha: try using dpkg with the -P switch to fully purge the package before reinstalling [03:28] <elsha> err [03:28] <bimberi> elsha: removes any config files [03:28] <ToRTuReD_X> hmm [03:28] <IIIEars> msticness - md5sum your file - md5summer or filelyzer (M$) [03:28] <ToRTuReD_X> seriously contemplating going back to windows [03:28] <elsha> okies [03:28] <sorush20> guys I keep getting these errors [03:28] <ToRTuReD_X> linux is good but i need to be able to dualboot [03:28] <ToRTuReD_X> :/ [03:28] <topyli> ToRTuReD_X: you are [03:28] <mysticness> md5sum? That's Latin to me. I know what an MD5 hash is, but I don't know what it's used for. [03:29] <concept10> sorush20, you need to use sudo [03:29] <elsha> sorush20, why are you in /root? [03:29] <topyli> mysticness: to check that you have the same file that the server has, i.e. that the download was a success [03:29] <IIIEars> ToRTuReD_X, - Do you have two drives installed on your macine? - poor mans grub would be to use the bios to exchange master drives on boot up. [03:29] <elsha> you want to be in /, and you want to check if the file is actually there by typing ls | more [03:29] <mysticness> How can I do that? I'm running Win98SE at the moment. [03:30] <topyli> mysticness: go to nonags.com or someplace and get a checksum utility for windows [03:31] <sorush20> I keep getting the same error..... and I'm in rout because the installation instruction on the panda website suggestedit... are you saying I can be in a directory... like on the desktop.... here is the error again with the sudo command.... [03:31] <sorush20> sam@ubuntu:/root$ sudo gzip d pavcl_linux_i386.tgz [03:31] <sorush20> gzip: d: No such file or directory [03:31] <sorush20> gzip: pavcl_linux_i386.tgz: No such file or directory [03:31] <mysticness> Ah, okay. I have to find my BT client first, though.. o_O; [03:31] <LasseL> ToRTuReD_X, my ubuntu set up dual booting automatically when I installed it [03:31] <topyli> sorush20: so the file is not in /root [03:31] <sorush20> topyil, yes it is in root [03:31] <elsha> sorush20, obviously, the file isn't there. installation instructions "suggest" they dont know what your file management system is [03:31] <elsha> no, it isn't in root [03:31] <elsha> obviously [03:32] <topyli> sorush20: verify with ls [03:32] <topyli> sorush20: /root is root's home directory. the filesystem's root is / [03:32] <mysticness> w00t, started my download. I'll go hunt that checksum utility. [03:32] <jantan21> hi [03:33] <mpmc> lol [03:33] <topyli> mysticness: i get all my windows freeware from nonags, they're bound to have one [03:33] <sorush20> I've pasted the ls output in the flood could you have a look .. the installations instructions are here http://www.pandasoftware.com/download/linux/instala.asp [03:34] <echelon> hmm this is intresting. [03:34] <topyli> sorush20: antivirus? are you running a mail server for windows clients? [03:34] <echelon> You guys use XChat or terminal? [03:34] <nightswim> irssi [03:34] <derreck> XChat. [03:34] <echelon> :D [03:35] <Will_> irssi forever [03:35] <noodle> xchat >< [03:35] <arnonym> i dist-upgraded to breezy and now my firefox didn't show text anymore. the menu is just some underscores [03:35] <topyli> echelon: xchat locally. now i'm about 500 miles away so i use irssi through ssh and screen :) [03:35] <wezzer-> vote for irssi [03:35] <mysticness> Is there a particular program I want to search for? I think I remember someone saying something about "md5summer" [03:35] <Will_> I shell to an 'always up' server and irssi there [03:35] <kostkon> xchat [03:35] <Will_> I would run msn through it if I trusted bitlbee not to break [03:35] <sorush20> topyli, no but I would like to be able to run scans ... once in a while on media.... downloaded... and files shared... [03:35] <topyli> bitlbee would rule if it worked :( [03:35] <mpmc> My Music sounds flat... wheres the boost? [03:36] <topyli> sorush20: i'm not on #flood but you should be able to read ls output and check if the file is there or not [03:37] <jantan21> can u share printer windows to linux ubuntu [03:37] <jantan21> can u help me share printer windows to linux ubuntu [03:37] <sorush20> the file is there.. but here is the error again.. sam@ubuntu:/root$ sudo tar xvf pavcl_linux_i386.tar [03:37] <sorush20> tar: invalid option -- [03:37] <sorush20> Try `tar --help' for more information. [03:37] <jantan21> not linux to windows [03:37] <mysticness> Hm, SmartMD5 sounds pretty good. [03:37] <jantan21> but windows to linux [03:38] <echelon> can i make aliases and stuff through irssi? [03:38] <topyli> jantan21: share it on windows, install the samba client on linux [03:38] <incon> evenings [03:38] <Will_> sorush20: so stop using '--' [03:38] <incon> well its evenings for me [03:38] <topyli> echelon: you can do more on irssi than one can learn in a lifetime :) [03:38] <echelon> topyli: lol? [03:38] <Will_> irssi can use perl. this means you can do ANYTHING [03:38] <echelon> Will_: never known perl :( . [03:38] <topyli> echelon: therefore, i use xchat whenever i can get an X display =) [03:39] <incon> Will_, is open source so to can change it anyway you like :P so your plugins is not your only option [03:39] <sorush20> will_, what do you meanso stop using '--' [03:39] <mysticness> Crap.. [03:39] <echelon> im kinda into scripting and stuff lately, i wanna try and make a trivia bot :P [03:40] <arnonym> sorush20: sudo tar xvf pavcl_linux_i386.tar [03:41] <Will_> arnonym: Thank you. [03:41] <arnonym> Will_: :-) [03:41] <topyli> echelon: although xchat can run perl and python scripts too [03:42] <topyli> echelon: the xchat text interface just sucks too much, so i use irssi on consoles [03:42] <mysticness> No luck with Nonags.. I found the software, but the site I need to download from is apparently b0rked. [03:42] <topyli> hrm. [03:42] <incon> i only launch xchat to search channel lists :/ its the only reason i find this channel as it was the default setup [03:42] <incon> otherwise i use irssi [03:43] <topyli> incon: irssi doesn't search channels? [03:43] <incon> topyli, not that i no of [03:43] <topyli> incon: complain to cras :) [03:43] <incon> lol [03:43] <thenuke> well it does search channels [03:43] <incon> if you type /list in irssi you get [03:43] <thenuke> /help list [03:43] <incon> 21:43 -!- Irssi: Doing this is not a good idea. Add -YES option to command if [03:43] <incon> you really mean it [03:44] <char1iecha1k> can someone help me work arpwatch please [03:44] <thenuke> "Thus, on IRCNet, you should rather use service ALIS (Advanced Listing Service), which will allow you to query for channel with specific name, topic, mode or usercount. Type /SQUERY ALIS HELP to get more info about it." [03:44] <Will_> You don't need to paste this into the channel y'know.. [03:44] <topyli> incon: although i'm not sure he's very keen on developing irssi further. he's busy with dovecot and irssi2 [03:44] <sorush20> arnonym, thanks that worked... how do I run the program now.. can someone let me know... I have put the output on the flood.. [03:45] <incon> topyli, its not an issue for me [03:45] <incon> i really use list [03:45] <incon> rarely [03:45] <topyli> generally i know which channels i want to join :) [03:46] <mysticness> 22 mB on my Ubuntu download. [03:46] <thenuke> I have never used list or anything :) [03:46] <incon> topyli, the best solution is if all irc servers had a website to search the list online [03:46] <mpmc> how do I change the x windows manager from kdm back to gdm? [03:46] <thenuke> If I am interested in linux I just type /join linux =) [03:46] <thenuke> and so on [03:46] <njan> incon, isn't that what ircspy is for? :P [03:46] <topyli> mysticness: that's not a bad speed. BT is faster than ftp most of the time [03:46] <arnonym> sorush20: i cannot help you on this. i don't know "panda antivirus" [03:46] <incon> ircspy ? [03:46] <njan> http://www.ircspy.com/ [03:47] <incon> i dont want to cache a irc channel list just to search it [03:47] <incon> its a waste of bandwidth [03:47] <mpmc> ?? [03:47] <njan> actually, I think that ircspy is more about warez, but I'm sure there's another IRC search engine out there which lists channels and does stuff like that.. [03:47] <njan> incon, what you've described is what ircspy does. [03:48] <topyli> there's probably a web search for any irc network [03:48] <mpmc> How do I change the default windows manager? [03:48] <njan> or $_other_irc_search_tool that I've forgotten about. [03:48] <incon> njan, when i only want to like a server is doesnt cache ? [03:48] <njan> http://searchirc.com/ <= that one. [03:48] <elsha> hey bimberi, still around? [03:48] <topyli> mpmc: take a look in /etc/defaults, and use update-alternatives to change your defaults [03:49] <elsha> hmm, nevermind [03:49] <topyli> mpmc: /etc/alternatives even [03:49] <mpmc> thx for answering [03:49] <incon> njan, nope [03:49] <bimberi> too late [03:49] <njan> incon, I have no idea what you said. [03:49] <incon> i dont want by toipc i what by server [03:49] <incon> irc server [03:49] <tech> happy sysaddmin day. [03:49] <echelon> anyone remember how can I leave notes? something like msgserv [03:50] <bimberi> is Jul 29 sysadmin day? [03:50] <incon> njan, i doesnt matter i dont care about it [03:50] <Randall64> Megalomaniac Day! [03:50] <bimberi> lol ... that's better [03:51] <incon> njan, i'm sorry i'm drunk to only time i join new channels is when i have been drinking [03:51] <arnonym> argh. there is a mozilla-firefox package (which doesn't work) and a firefox package (which does) in breezy when using universe [03:51] <Poromies> bimberi: yes today is "Systemadmin Day" :) [03:51] <char1iecha1k> anybody help me with arpwatch please [03:51] <bimberi> heh ... oh well ... only 10 mins left :) [03:51] <mpmc> Gah... I dont know how to change kdm back to gdm! [03:51] <Will_> friends don't let friends irc drunk [03:52] <mpmc> help [03:53] <incon> cya's i will be back later maybe.... [03:54] <mpmc> How do I change back gdm as default :( [03:54] <topyli> bimberi: you could celebrate sysadmin day in EEST and have more time to go :) [03:54] <mpmc> anyone... I aint got a clue! [03:54] <topyli> mpmc: the same update-alternatives [03:54] <mpmc> ehh? [03:55] <topyli> mpmc: "update-alternatives x-display-manager" or something like that [03:56] <Will_> wajig looks interesting [03:56] <bimberi> mpmc: /etc/X11/default-display-manager looks promising - perhaps edit that [03:56] <topyli> Will_: the downside is you forget most dpkg, apt and other switches :) [03:56] <paulproteus|jhu> Will_, What's wajig? [03:56] <se7enone> Why sometimes am I not able to open my cdroms either with the button or software eject? [03:57] <topyli> se7enone: probably some shell or program has it as current working dir [03:57] <mpmc> ok.. lets see [03:57] <ethics> se7enone, use lsof or fuser to see whats got hold of the device when it happens [03:58] <se7enone> thx [03:58] <se7enone> how would i release it then...? [03:58] <ethics> se7enone, also see if umount works...if it fails then the error may elude info... [03:58] <sorush20> could anyone recommend an antivirus program please... [03:59] <paulproteus|jhu> sorush20, there are no viruses [in the wild] for Linux systems. [03:59] <chorton> How can I change resolution in fluxbox? [03:59] <paulproteus|jhu> The closest Linux has is worms, which you can avoid by not running vulnerable services. [03:59] <topyli> se7enone: killing the process that is using the disc. umount -l might also work [03:59] <paulproteus|jhu> sorush20, in other words, just watch the Software Update thing, and if it says to get any updates, get them. [03:59] <MartenH> paulproteus: that anyone knows of ;) [03:59] <paulproteus|jhu> MartenH, Well, okay.... :) [03:59] <ethics> se7enone, theres a lazy unmount they say not to use for hard disks etc but dvds and cds shouldnt hurt too much....i think its umount -l which will kill regardless of use\ [03:59] <sorush20> could anyone recommend an antivirus program please ... what your saying that... no one on the planet has written a virus for linux.... [03:59] <paulproteus|jhu> In the wild. [04:00] <ethics> sorush20, clamav [04:00] <paulproteus|jhu> sorush20, There is clamav (and lots of GUIs), but that mostly looks for Windows and Mac viruses. [04:00] <the--dud> hmm, autopackage fails for me :/ [04:00] <topyli> sorush20: i used to use f-secure but it's not free. really, you don't need one since you have no clients to protect [04:00] <paulproteus|jhu> sorush20, There aren't really "viruses" on Windows or Mac anymore, either. [04:00] <paulproteus|jhu> sorush20, Windows "viruses" in the news these days are all worms. [04:00] <the--dud> well, actually not autopackage itself, but lincity-NG [04:01] <ethics> just application exploits [04:01] <paulproteus|jhu> They attack the computer either by tricking the user into opening emails, or they break into the computer remotely. [04:01] <windex> hrm. no way to get ubuntu to use a promise fasttrak 100 is there? [04:01] <paulproteus|jhu> windex, I think mine worked out of the box. [04:01] <paulproteus|jhu> sorush20, On Linux, it's so much work to make a program executable that the first one wouldn't work against users. And to get hacked remotely, you'd have to ignore Software Update. [04:01] <sorush20> what about a firewall... I'm trying to enable the port 110, can someone recommend something.. [04:01] <ethics> windex yeah im pretty sure there is\ [04:01] <windex> paulproteus|jhu: the partitioner hangs at 58% :) [04:02] <paulproteus|jhu> windex, Oh, that's sad. [04:02] <echelon> what package I need to install perl? [04:02] <windex> it also detects the drives on it as 2 seperate disks. [04:02] <paulproteus|jhu> windex, Are you trying to do hardware RAID? [04:02] <topyli> sorush20: if you install a ftp server, ubuntu will likely open the port [04:02] <topyli> sorush20: same with other services [04:02] <elsha> is it possible to have incorrect drivers installed for a webcam, and yet have it still work in xawtv? [04:02] <windex> paulproteus|jhu: well, the windows install on the machine uses it for hardware raid . . . as does the freebsd install? :P [04:03] <ethics> sorush20, iptables is your firewall, tools like firestarter and bastille etc are guis for setting it up ... [04:03] <paulproteus|jhu> windex, In general, Linux support for hardware raid is weak; Linux driver delopers usually claim that most consumer-grade hardware doesn't do good RAID, so they prefer the Linux software RAID layer. [04:03] <echelon> what package I need to install perl? [04:03] <paulproteus|jhu> I think they're telling the truth, but I don't know for *sure*... [04:03] <paulproteus|jhu> sorush20, You don't have to "enable the port 110". [04:03] <paulproteus|jhu> If you set up a service there, you'll be listening on that port. [04:03] <windex> paulproteus|jhu: the problem is that windows and linux can not coexist on the same hardware in that configuration. :P [04:03] <ddink> have a problem, programs just close [04:04] <drcode> hi all [04:04] <drcode> can I share dir with ssh ? [04:04] <paulproteus|jhu> windex, Why not? Just make two partitions in the same place on both drives; have Linux do software RAID between tohse two. [04:04] <drcode> If I have two linux , who I can share dirs? [04:04] <paulproteus|jhu> drcode, Sure. If you want to download files from your computer by SCP from Windows, use WinSCP; on Mac, use Fugu. [04:04] <Gentil> hi [04:04] <paulproteus|jhu> drcode, If you have two Linux machines on the same (private) network, you'll find NFS is easier. [04:05] <windex> paulproteus|jhu: this motherboard only has the raid controller, no normal IDE, windows sees it as a raid controller, and it's configured as raid 0 (striped). [04:05] <chn> god damn apache [04:05] <paulproteus|jhu> windex, RAID 0? [04:05] <drcode> NFS [04:05] <drcode> thanx [04:05] <paulproteus|jhu> That's not RAID :) [04:05] <windex> i know. [04:05] <drcode> is there info how to do it easy? [04:05] <windex> but its fast. :D [04:05] <unreal> hmm [04:05] <chn> why doesnt it set up php4 automagically why i install php4 [04:05] <paulproteus|jhu> windex, That's true. Sounds nice. :) [04:06] <paulproteus|jhu> As for making them coexist, I'm not really sure. I should get back to doing work :) [04:06] <mpmc> How do I reset the fonts? [04:06] <unreal> what's the name of one of those web-administration services? (not cpanel, there's a better one) [04:06] <paulproteus|jhu> unreal, webmin? [04:06] <unreal> heh [04:06] <windex> promise provides drivers. is there a way to load drivers into the install for ubuntu without freaking it out? [04:06] <unreal> could be :/ [04:06] <black13> is possible to rebuild the debian deb packages ... there is obviously a way to build the packages correct? [04:07] <unreal> paulproteous: it allows the changing of dns records for domain names and such [04:07] <paulproteus|jhu> black13, dpkg-buildpackage or somesuch. [04:07] <unreal> doesn't seem to be webmin [04:08] <elsha> is it possible to have incorrect drivers installed for a webcam, and yet have it still work in xawtv? [04:08] <chorton> How can I change resolution in fluxbox? [04:08] <black13> paulproteus|jhu ok [04:08] <sorush20> topyli, paulproteus|jhu, what service can I install using synaptic [04:09] <paulproteus|jhu> apache, postfix, dovecot, courier-imap, vsftpd, ... [04:09] <IIIEars> chorton xrand 800x600 - check man pages it? been awhile [04:10] <MartenH> Does someone have time to help me set up the icon theme found here: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22989 in a working way? [04:10] <sorush20> paulproteus|jhu: the reason I ask is that I'm running thunderbird with the webmail extension... and on the extension I get an error that says that the port is not running... this is not the case in root login .... but I don't want to run the computer in root login.... could you help with activating the port 110 [04:11] <chorton> IIlEars, that command doesn't exist, says the console. [04:11] <fh> ubuntu is the best [04:11] <phixion> ... [04:11] <fh> when does breezy come to play? [04:12] <PrimoTurbo> Hey guys can someone help me with something? [04:12] <fh> when does breezy come uot? [04:13] <fh> when does breezy come out? [04:13] <PrimoTurbo> I'm in /usr/share/wallpapers/ and I want to delete some wallpapers [04:13] <PrimoTurbo> but it wont let me because I don't have root [04:13] <phixion> do it from terminal [04:13] <fh> rm [04:13] <PrimoTurbo> how do I get root and delete the wallpapers I don't want? [04:13] <dawnfading> sudo su [04:13] <phixion> rm /usr/share/wallpapers/filename.jpg [04:13] <fh> rm *.png *.jpg [04:13] <PrimoTurbo> I see [04:13] <phixion> sudo before the rm [04:13] <phixion> :E [04:13] <PrimoTurbo> alright thnx I'll give it a try [04:14] <dawnfading> btw, does somebody know a command to find out from which path a script or executable is executed? [04:14] <fh> k [04:14] <chorton> IIlEars, that command doesn't exist, says the console. [04:14] <mpmc> how to i reset the fonts? [04:14] <fh> like wtf? [04:14] <arnonym> dawnfading: which [04:14] <fh> what command? [04:15] <b0ca0FF> hi all [04:15] <b0ca0FF> help-me pls [04:15] <fh> chorton what command? [04:15] <dawnfading> so suppose it's a compiled c prog, then just which prog? [04:15] <fh> b0ca0FF ok [04:15] <fh> b0ca0FF what is the problem [04:15] <fh> ? [04:15] <arnonym> dawnfading: yes. [04:16] <PrimoTurbo> Alright it worked. Thanks guys :) [04:16] <graabein> hi guys. anyone know how to modify themes? i want to change the colour of the active window border [04:16] <dawnfading> hmm, doesn't return anything at all [04:16] <BR-b0ca0> install all system of ubuntu fh [04:16] <graabein> i've done it once before but i can't remember how. some xml-file somewhere
 it's easy man [04:16] <chorton> The command to change resolutions in X. [04:16] <Dartsani> dawnfading......System-Preferences-Themes [04:16] <arnonym> dawnfading: your executable is not in the path
 insert the cd [04:16] <BR-b0ca0> but initializing ths system [04:16] <chorton> He said to use xrand 800x600 [04:17] <chorton> And that command doesn't exist.
 and reset the computer and then you got some questions you need to answer [04:17] <Dartsani> graabein i meant :P [04:17] <arnonym> chorton: it's xrandr [04:17] <dawnfading> okay, that makes sense anonym [04:17] <chorton> Ah. [04:17] <BR-b0ca0> fh i'm back [04:17] <chorton> *tries* [04:17] <BR-b0ca0> wait [04:17] <dawnfading> too many shells open, and my path wasn't changed in the one i was working with [04:17] <dawnfading> thanks [04:18] <graabein> Dartsani, yeah i know, but i have the h20oridium window border with amber buttons... and i want to change the gray color to brown [04:18] <PrimoTurbo> Hey guys where can I get some good linux wallpapers
 ok... i am waiting... [04:18] <dawnfading> pixelgirl [04:18] <PrimoTurbo> url? [04:18] <dawnfading> google it [04:18] <dawnfading> first link [04:18] <black13> what is evms [04:18] <PrimoTurbo> k [04:19] <PrimoTurbo> thnx [04:19] <graabein> PrimoTurbo, i've tried pixelgirl. lots of good stuff there [04:19] <dawnfading> not particular linux but still good [04:19] <holycow> PrimoTurbo, the same places you get them for windows [04:19] <holycow> its just an image [04:19] <PrimoTurbo> yup, exactly what I'm looking for [04:19] <dawnfading> http://www.littlefactory.com/lf.html [04:19] <fh> who's from israel down here? [04:19] <graabein> there was a thread in ubuntu forums with some nice links [04:19] <dawnfading> has some really good backgrounds [04:19] <dawnfading> they're tiled but quite unique [04:20] <PrimoTurbo> I'll check ubuntu forums also [04:20] <PrimoTurbo> anyone else using kubuntu? [04:20] <graabein> PrimoTurbo, search for "pixelgirl" in the forums. it will probably show up. gnome all the way here
 no [04:20] <phixion> I'm using http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=27077&PHPSESSID=66e7495b80abd31b04744662f4c89b38 atm :) nice wallpapers
 i *love* gnome [04:20] <elsha> #kubuntu [04:20] <|rockinnerd|> i've got a problem [04:20] <phixion> gnome here too :E [04:20] <|rockinnerd|> with alsa [04:21] <PrimoTurbo> I like gnome too but I'm just trying KDE and I like it also [04:21] <|rockinnerd|> i try playing an mp3, or any other sound, and i hear a high-pitched squeaking in the background, suggestions? [04:21] <chorton> arnonym, thanks for the tip. [04:21] <chorton> Do you know a command to restart the x server? [04:21] <phixion> ctrl alt backspace [04:21] <arnonym> chorton: ctrl+alt+backspace [04:22] <shawarma> LOL [04:22] <arnonym> works :-) [04:22] <phixion> :D [04:22] <ethics> |rockinnerd|, alsa project docs and google first [04:22] <gyaresu_> exit [04:22] <fh> ??????????? [04:23] <graabein> what app do you guys use for xml-files? [04:23] <|rockinnerd|> what do you mean "use for xml-files"? [04:23] <chorton> I want you all to know you are my heroes. [04:23] <graabein> when you open a xml file for editing. syntax highlighting etc [04:24] <|rockinnerd|> quanta maybe? [04:24] <python_> graabein Jedit good [04:24] <|rockinnerd|> actually, maybe kate, b/c it does syntax coloring [04:24] <gyaresu> meh. hello. [04:24] <graabein> it would be nice if it had an option for checking the file vs schema def also... [04:25] <gyaresu> friend used patition magic and killed his GRUB. anyone remember the process of fixing it? [04:25] <gyaresu> and good-evening (of course) [04:25] <phend> hi all. I've got some code which does this: tal:attributes="href python: here.absolute_url()+'?set_status=1 -- but i'm trying to figure out where to put code which acts upon the value passed in set_status [04:26] <phend> ie. where so I look through the query string, and call a method depending on the value? [04:27] <|rockinnerd|> gyaresu, boot offof a knoppix cd, mount your root partition, and chroot into your mount point for your root partition. Run /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda [04:27] <|rockinnerd|> or sda if it's serial [04:27] <|rockinnerd|> drive [04:27] <graabein> i opened the file in bluefish. looks allright. [04:27] <gyaresu> |rockinnerd|, aye. thanks. [04:27] <|rockinnerd|> np [04:28] <|rockinnerd|> good morning all who are in the US [04:28] <graabein> hmmm... looks like i have to edit some png-files to change colour of title-bar in h20ridium [04:29] <billyanachronism> hey :S [04:29] <billyanachronism> I did something silly [04:29] <paulproteus|jhu> |rockinnerd|, Good morning. [04:30] <thespiritoftal> whenever I open amule it says my 4662nd port is not open and I get LOWID how can i fix this problem? [04:30] <BR-b0ca0> fh error: "fatal error, hutplup subsystem, modprobe operation not permitid" [04:30] <graabein> i'm from norway. just got home from work. the weekend starts here! [04:30] <shawarma> Doesn anyone know when jbailey usually shows up? [04:30] <BR-b0ca0> this error in initializing my system ubuntu warty whartog" [04:30] <BR-b0ca0> fh error: "fatal error, hutplup subsystem, modprobe operation not permitid" [04:30] <BR-b0ca0> this error in initializing my system ubuntu warty whartog" [04:31] <|rockinnerd|> so there is no coldplug daemon in ubuntu? [04:31] <PrimoTurbo> found a sweet earth wallpaper [04:31] <PrimoTurbo> http://images.customize.org/category/wallpaper/EarthView1-2_full.gif [04:33] <BR-b0ca0> help-me [04:33] <BR-b0ca0> this error in initializing my system ubuntu warty whartog [04:33] <fh> ok [04:33] <BR-b0ca0> this error in initializing my system ubuntu warty whartog" [04:33] <billyanachronism> I changed yaboot.conf [04:33] <graabein> the xml-file looks good in the default text editor gedit also [04:33] <gyaresu> BR-b0ca0, ? [04:33] <billyanachronism> to have a timeout of 5 seconds [04:33] <thespiritoftal> whenever I open amule it says my 4662nd port is not open and I get LOWID how can i fix this problem? [04:33] <billyanachronism> and now I can't get into ubuntu :( [04:33] <supernix> hiya gang [04:33] <fh> why won't you try hoary?? [04:33] <fh> why won't you try hoary??
 why won't you try hoary?? [04:34] <supernix> anyone know of a program that can create secure passwords as well as store them ? [04:34] <BR-b0ca0> fh $$ [04:34] <gyaresu> fh, BR-b0ca0 fh this ones yours yes? [04:34] <fh> what? [04:34] <gyaresu> fh, : the problem. [04:34] <BR-b0ca0> money [04:34] <BR-b0ca0> o dont buy to cd hoary [04:35] <fh> download it [04:35] <supernix> anyone know of a program that can create secure passwords as well as store them ? [04:35] <gyaresu> fh k. ignore me. [04:35] <gyaresu> BR-b0ca0, are you on dialup?
 ok.. now to ignore? [04:35] <BR-b0ca0> no [04:35] <BR-b0ca0> adsl 1mg [04:35] <gyaresu> fh, yes. [04:36] <fh> ok [04:36] <znh> I've made a bash script, but I'd like to let it be ran every hour - Is that possible? [04:36] <fh> i'm ignoring... [04:36] <gyaresu> BR-b0ca0, prefix your comments with the name of the person you talk to and 'get hoary'. [04:36] <elwood> hi [04:36] <BR-b0ca0> i only resolv this problem [04:37] <arnonym> znh: create a cron job [04:37] <gyaresu> fh thank you.
 for? [04:37] <BR-b0ca0> "fatal error: hotplug subsystem.... modprobe, operation not permited [04:37] <gyaresu> fh the ignoring (sarcasm) [04:37] <BR-b0ca0> why this [04:37] <znh> arnonym: aha, so it is possible! is there a full name for it? then i'll search some manual myself
 i realy don't know what you wanna [04:37] <gyaresu> fh (with smiles)
 tell me plz [04:37] <gyaresu> fh (nothing) [04:37] <fh> ok [04:38] <gyaresu> fh (just joking) [04:38] <fh> werdoo [04:38] <fh> ok [04:38] <arnonym> znh: "man cron" and take a look in /etc/cron.d [04:38] <gyaresu> BR-b0ca0, need to 'sudo' to modprobe [04:38] <fh> breezy go out when? [04:39] <BR-b0ca0> gyaresu ? [04:39] <fh> 10.**? [04:39] <znh> arnonym: ah I see you already found for me, thanks! - you we're great
 listen man, download the new hoary [04:39] <BR-b0ca0> ok fh
 and install it [04:39] <elwood> happy ubuntu to meee
 and then use windows(just kiding) [04:39] <BR-b0ca0> fh thanx [04:40] <fh> np [04:40] <fh> someone here heard about the windows vista? [04:40] <windex> longhorn? [04:40] <fh> the beta is got out [04:40] <fh> yea [04:41] <fh> vista [04:41] <znh> arnonym: I still don't know how it works and what I have to do in cron.d [04:41] <ToRTuReD_X> 2 hours left till i have kubuntu [04:41] <ToRTuReD_X> :/ [04:41] <fh> :\ [04:41] <ToRTuReD_X> hmm [04:41] <windex> same thing. i doubt they will be able to use vista as they've now got 3 lawsuits against them for trademark infringement. [04:41] <ToRTuReD_X> gona format and dualboot [04:41] <fh> gnome rules man
 yea [04:41] <ToRTuReD_X> fh - tip: keep away from slackware based distros [04:42] <ToRTuReD_X> ie - vector linux [04:42] <arnonym> znh: for the syntax you should read "man 5 crontab" [04:42] <znh> arnonym: thanks
 i know slackware sucks [04:42] <ToRTuReD_X> it starts automatically in console/termainal mode [04:42] <ToRTuReD_X> you have to input commands for graphical mode
 i know slackware sucks [04:42] <Silentsol> ToRTuReD_X: why keep away from slackware based distros? [04:42] <Silentsol> ToRTuReD_X: im on minislack [04:42] <ToRTuReD_X> ;/
 pure guy [04:42] <ToRTuReD_X> woot [04:42] <windex> slackware has a valid audience. [04:43] <ToRTuReD_X> 1 week and i should have a $600+ a week job [04:43] <ToRTuReD_X> :D [04:43] <znh> kopete is too slow for irc, bye changing client [04:43] <ToRTuReD_X> slackware is not for the inexperienced or intermediate user [04:43] <ToRTuReD_X> it's for the 4+ years advanced user
 you install kubuntu? [04:43] <Silentsol> ToRTuReD_X: ive been using linux for 2 weeks [04:43] <ToRTuReD_X> nah man, downloading now [04:43] <Silentsol> ToRTuReD_X: my first ever experience with linux has been with minislack. 2 weeks ago [04:43] <ToRTuReD_X> i wanna see some screencaps of it though [04:44] <ToRTuReD_X> :/
 so let me tell you something...
 GNOME PWZ you all!!!!!!! [04:44] <fh> lol [04:44] <ToRTuReD_X> lmao [04:44] <ToRTuReD_X> i know man [04:44] <ToRTuReD_X> i was on ubuntu [04:44] <fh> yea yea [04:44] <chn> i guess well see when longhorn comes out [04:44] <ToRTuReD_X> but decided to put in a command for the graphics drivers that crashed the GUI [04:44] <phixion> when it comes out? its out :P [04:44] <ToRTuReD_X> so i had to format then grub wouldn't install off my install disc [04:44] <ToRTuReD_X> :/ [04:45] <phixion> well, only beta [04:45] <chn> phixion, the final [04:45] <phixion> Microsoft.Windows.Vista.Codename.Longhorn.Beta.1.64Bit.DVD.READ.NFO [04:45] <phixion> :E
 blat [04:45] <ToRTuReD_X> nforce.nl mofo [04:45] <ToRTuReD_X> :D [04:45] <chn> im trying to get the beta to see what linux is up against [04:45] <phixion> mope [04:45] <phixion> nope :P
 too much info [04:45] <fh> :) [04:45] <sorush20> anyone here using KDAR [04:45] <phixion> and its windows vista [04:45] <phixion> not longhorn :D [04:45] <the--dud> I'm writing a howto on installing lincity-ng from source now, anyone interested to test it out when I'm done? [04:45] <gyaresu> your windows is weak [04:45] <the--dud> 'beta-tester' if you'd like hehe [04:46] <elwood> the--dud, lincitythe game? [04:46] <dawnfading> exit [04:46] <vader1102> morning everone [04:46] <ToRTuReD_X> the--dud, if you include a guide to set it up, AND install wine and steam then i will
 so take him to the gim [04:46] <ToRTuReD_X> :D [04:46] <the--dud> elwood, yeah, the remake of lincity [04:46] <ToRTuReD_X> wait [04:46] <elwood> the--dud, i can [04:46] <the--dud> ToRTuReD_X, its linux native [04:46] <ToRTuReD_X> lincity [04:46] <ToRTuReD_X> lmao [04:46] <ToRTuReD_X> sounds liek a distro name [04:46] <windex> i'm a microsoft registered partner. vista/longhorn is not all that impressive to me over XP. [04:46] <ToRTuReD_X> ;/ [04:46] <the--dud> message me anyone interested, too much chatting here hehe [04:46] <chn> phixion, yea, just when you thought xp was a lame and overhyped name [04:47] <elwood> uhm where i can find longhorn? [04:47] <phixion> its xp with a lame ass theme :) [04:47] <gyaresu> fh 'the gim'? [04:47] <the--dud> there's a sleazy bar in my town called Vista [04:47] <ToRTuReD_X> someone make a good guide for wine and steam [04:47] <chn> elwood, diverse bt sites [04:47] <ToRTuReD_X> :/ [04:47] <sorush20> could someone help me with an installation error.... [04:47] <the--dud> i suppose mr bill gates never knew that! [04:47] <elwood> the--dud, u have to get sources compile and play? [04:47] <vader1102> windex: I have heard through the grapevine that the sys req. is really high for longhorn [04:47] <ph8> lo all [04:47] <ph8> i'm runnig hoary [04:47] <ph8> is there like an unstable branch? [04:47] <the--dud> elwood, just testing it out myself now... autopackage install seems not to work [04:47] <chn> vader1102, its faster than xp [04:47] <ph8> or does ubuntu not work like that? [04:47] <the--dud> so yeah, sources it is
 nvm [04:47] <chn> they say it is at least [04:47] <elwood> the--dud, i can be a tester :) [04:47] <gyaresu> fh k [04:48] <windex> vader1102: you know all that crap in XP that uses CPU to make it look pretty? fading menus in and out? etc? there's more of that crap in longhorn and it's harder to disable all of it. [04:48] <chn> but everyone claims it runs better than xp [04:48] <arnonym> ph8: there is breezy [04:48] <ph8> beta? [04:48] <arnonym> ph8: pre-alpha [04:48] <ToRTuReD_X> i think i'll hold off on linux for a while [04:48] <ph8> don't fancy that :p [04:48] <fh> breezy doesn't got X [04:48] <phixion> what are you running atm ToRTuReD_X ? [04:48] <ph8> anything bad about using the universe sources for hoary-security and main? [04:48] <ToRTuReD_X> till i can afford to buy a cheap linux box and install it as a network server [04:48] <ToRTuReD_X> :P [04:49] <ToRTuReD_X> right now phixion i'm using Vector Linux [04:49] <the--dud> not to mention Vista will have DRM far up your rectum [04:49] <ToRTuReD_X> was using Ubuntu 5.04 [04:49] <phixion> o_O [04:49] <vader1102> I am going to stay away from it but I will have to learn it because I am a pc consultant in my area and you know the writers for all of these viruses, they will keep me busy lol [04:49] <phixion> never heard of it [04:49] <gyaresu> XP == $220AU with a HDD or CPU [04:49] <phixion> url? [04:49] <ToRTuReD_X> and Windows XP Service Pack 2 before that [04:49] <vader1102> I am using Hoary right now lol [04:49] <the--dud> the wonders up the microsoft/intel DRM services [04:49] <ToRTuReD_X> www.vectorlinux.com [04:49] <windex> ToRTuReD_X: k, i am not a linux on the desktop guy, for business anyway, until i installed ubuntu and got it working. ubuntu easially provides a stable business desktop enviroment, and it has enough utilities to provide a home system, with the noted lack of off the shelf software. [04:50] <ToRTuReD_X> not half bad [04:50] <phixion> what's vector linux like? [04:50] <ToRTuReD_X> but not for the newb [04:50] <ToRTuReD_X> so i'm gonna change [04:50] <chn> windex, well theres a long way left [04:50] <ToRTuReD_X> it's good but doesn't come with alot of packages [04:50] <fh> ToRTuReD_X it's like a distro [04:50] <justizz> Hi! Could someone "pro" tell me how to remove Grub-loader? [04:50] <chn> personally id think theres many distros way closed to being a desktop linux [04:50] <justizz> on ubuntu [04:50] <chn> most of them are just to anal [04:51] <chn> i hate rpm distros
 why?
 why to remove grub? [04:51] <windex> chn: that's true, but i can go take hoary, install it on a business desktop, and have it work for people who need office/web/mail in business. [04:51] <justizz> my friend installed ubuntu to harddisk which isnt his own ;) [04:51] <Whistler> justizz just use fix mbr [04:51] <billyanachronism> hey hey dudes [04:51] <davro> Hi are there any good howto's on setting a ubuntu as a home dhcp cablebox come firewall, using two network cards, kinda like smoothwall?.
 ok, sudo apt-get remove grub (i think) [04:51] <justizz> how does it work? [04:51] <billyanachronism> what do I do to fix this problem eyy [04:51] <vader1102> chn: I here that the RPM doesn't allways get all of the "other stuff" you need, like dependancies [04:51] <echelon> hmm i've started learning perl. [04:51] <justizz> ok [04:51] <windex> chn: and it seems to work pretty well on Dell n-series machines (n-series = no OS), and since i'm a dell reseller ... :) [04:51] <ToRTuReD_X> well [04:51] <billyanachronism> I put the timeout of 5 seconds on yaboot [04:52] <echelon> How can I make perl scripts run in irssi or whatsoever? [04:52] <justizz> ill try :P [04:52] <ToRTuReD_X> what i plan to do is install windows again [04:52] <billyanachronism> so I can't actually get to linux before it goes to mac os x [04:52] <elwood> longhorn smeel as macox [04:52] <chn> ubuntu needs a gfx installer [04:52] <ToRTuReD_X> maybe dualboot linux for php and python [04:52] <ToRTuReD_X> i'll see what happens
 luck [04:52] <chn> nad some shine new crap that seperates it from the herd [04:52] <the--dud> iconv [04:52] <chn> and [04:52] <jantan21> hi all [04:52] <fh> hi [04:52] <fh> sup joni? [04:52] <jantan21> where is download xmms ? [04:52] <thespiritoftal> how can i view hidden directories in /home/user? [04:53] <jantan21> do you now?
 you get xmms with ubuntu [04:53] <davro> ls -a [04:53] <elwood> have you ever tried winxpe? [04:53] <jantan21> where is location ? [04:53] <vader1102> elwood: yes I have, I use it @ the office 6 days a week [04:54] <jantan21> fh :where is location ? [04:54] <crimsun> jantan21: use Synaptic or aptitude/apt-get/dselect to search for and install XMMS. The package name is 'xmms'.
 applicasions (on top) [04:54] <elwood> it's useful...live windows live problems :)
 i think he got xmms with install [04:54] <phixion> ToRTuReD_X why do you plan on reinstalling windows? [04:55] <vader1102> I would rather use the knoppix or the ubuntu live cd's they really allow you to examine what has gone wrong [04:55] <gyaresu> tell jantan21 about !sources [04:55] <gyaresu> !sources [04:55] <ubotu> from memory, sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto [04:55] <phixion> haha [04:55] <phixion> owned! [04:55] <mtron> problems with mounting my 3rd gen ipod. whwen i connect it via firewire it does not go into disk mode. how can i reload the necessary modules? [04:55] <tech> any using kubuntu here?
 lol [04:55] <crimsun> tech: there's #kubuntu, too [04:55] <python_> nope GNOME rocks [04:56] <ToRTuReD_X> phixion, i need it for steam, and for my websites
 owneage! [04:56] <elwood> yes gnome and pam usb :) [04:56] <ToRTuReD_X> photoshop [04:56] <ToRTuReD_X> i'm lost without it [04:56] <ToRTuReD_X> ;_; [04:56] <elwood> ToRTuReD_X, and gimp? [04:56] <ToRTuReD_X> ewww [04:56] <IIIEars> Good Morning crimsun :) [04:56] <ToRTuReD_X> worst image editor i've ever tried
 sudo apt-get install gimp [04:57] <ToRTuReD_X> and i've used paintshop pro
 :\ [04:57] <CarlFK> can the bluetooth code for freebsd be compiled for linux, or does it need to be ported/rewritten? [04:57] <python_> Tortured use the GIMP
 windows than? [04:57] <ToRTuReD_X> lmao [04:57] <ToRTuReD_X> indeed [04:57] <ToRTuReD_X> unless i can find and install VMware
 or use wine [04:58] <ToRTuReD_X> tried to install [04:58] <ToRTuReD_X> damn near impossible [04:58] <ToRTuReD_X> it hates me :( [04:58] <python_> GIMP is Great [04:58] <python_> Ive used photoshop two and GIMP does what photoshop does [04:58] <python_> just have to use it a bit
 me too man, me too. [04:58] <ToRTuReD_X> python_, i will bitchslap you so hard gangis kahn will fell it and say wtf was that? [04:59] <phixion> im more familiar with ps cs2 [04:59] <windex> or install that program that renames gimp's features to look exactally like photoshop [04:59] <ToRTuReD_X> phixion, same here [04:59] <python_> I disagree, you just dont wanna learn new programs [04:59] <virtuel> gimpshop [04:59] <ToRTuReD_X> is what i use
 try to read some guides about gimp and you love it [04:59] <ToRTuReD_X> i miss my baby [04:59] <ToRTuReD_X> :( [04:59] <python_> gimp is open source [04:59] <ToRTuReD_X> so is warez [04:59] <ToRTuReD_X> LMFAO [04:59] <ToRTuReD_X> <_< [04:59] <phixion> open source doesnt make any difference :P [04:59] <virtuel> let's face it: gimp is just no match for photoshop for professionals [05:00] <ToRTuReD_X> you didn't see that [05:00] <phixion> ps cs2 is the most superior image editor [05:00] <sandis> tortured: warez!=oss [05:00] <python_> the whole point of linux is open source!!
 yes it does
 it's open [05:00] <chn> mmmn [05:00] <phixion> sigh [05:00] <vader1102> I am starting to use Inkscape a little bit, so far so good [05:00] <windex> gimp is substantially less broken than print types like to say it is. the only real issue that remains with gimp is no native cmyk but they're trying to fix that. considering most print work is done by supplying pantone colors and using distinct colors to map regions, anyway, though... [05:00] <phixion> if you are used to cs2, and u know how to use it ALOT better than gimp [05:00] <virtuel> python_, for some, maybe. for me the point of linux is having something that "just works" [05:00] <phixion> i dont see why open source would make ANY difference [05:00] <ToRTuReD_X> python_, tell that to suse and redhat [05:00] <ToRTuReD_X> damn bastards [05:00] <CarlFK> what is ps cs2 ? [05:01] <Demostrike> Ahh can anyone explain to me why ubuntu has no "build" directory [05:01] <crimsun> (topic's straying pretty far off-topic) [05:01] <ToRTuReD_X> photoshop cs2 [05:01] <tritium> Demostrike, for what? [05:01] <ToRTuReD_X> photoshop creative suite 2 [05:01] <jowi> a user can mount cdrom but not samba shares. what to do? [05:01] <vader1102> hey tritium, how are you today?
 cuz you can change the open source and it's free and more powerfull [05:01] <CarlFK> thanks [05:01] <tritium> vader1102, not bad, you? The movers are here moving us out... [05:01] <elsha> please guys, i've been struggling with this for about 7 hours... i've installed my appropriate webcam driver, and it's working fine in xawtv, but when i try to use gnomemeeting it says to check the permissions and that i've installed the right drivers. i've checked the permissions, and the group my user in has read write access as it should. i've removed gnomemeeting package, and reinstalled it. I'm trying to eliminate problems, so would xawt [05:01] <elsha> v work with the webcam if it was the incorrect drivers?
 you bill! [05:01] <python_> why whats wrong with suse or redhat [05:01] <Demostrike> tritium Apparently im suppossed to be making a driver for my wireless card [05:01] <phixion> fh, it comes down to what you are used to, i took YEARS learning PS2 to the extent I know now [05:01] <vader1102> oh, have fin dude... glad it is you and not me lol [05:02] <crimsun> Demostrike: did you install build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) ? [05:02] <tritium> vader1102, well, I'm glad to be moving home :) [05:02] <vader1102> true [05:02] <tritium> Demostrike, okay, where do you expect the dir? [05:02] <vader1102> I just hate moving [05:02] <phixion> luckily i only use gimp for editing the odd image
 if i'm, telling you it's more coll so it more right? [05:02] <ToRTuReD_X> well [05:02] <Demostrike> crimsun hang on ill check, :) [05:02] <windex> elsha: video on linux is a hard topic to help people with, and last i knew, still changed frequently, breaking apps in the process. what cam do you have? [05:02] <ToRTuReD_X> i'm off guys
 cool* [05:02] <ToRTuReD_X> gonna go revert back to xp [05:02] <python_> dump your proprietry apps and use alternatives that are open source or free software [05:02] <phixion> fh, english plz [05:02] <phixion> I don't understand your question :E [05:03] <Demostrike> tritium under my kernel directory [05:03] <vader1102> IIIEars: how are you? [05:03] <elsha> windex, a logitech quickcam express. it's just so frustrating because it's working on another program :(
 open source it's cool that's all, are we understand? [05:03] <windex> elsha: i have the same cam. let me boot my ubuntu machine and turn it on and see if i can make it work. :) [05:03] <IIIEars> hi vader! :) [05:03] <tritium> Demostrike, okay. I see crimsun is helping you. I'll not butt in... [05:04] <phixion> fh, yes its cool, but it wont help me understand a program anymore :D [05:04] <crimsun> tritium: no, that's fine, I'm leaving for a meeting in a few :) [05:04] <elsha> windex, cool :) [05:04] <Demostrike> ill need to load ubuntu back up, ill be back [05:04] <fh> <phixion> and now you have to say "yes sor!" [05:04] <vader1102> tritium: I love this Hoary....it got my sound working on this laptop out of the box [05:04] <tritium> crimsun, ah, okay. And I'm getting moved out today, so I may be out of touch for a few days. [05:04] <crimsun> tritium: k [05:04] <elwood> this woram is killing me [05:04] <tritium> vader1102, excellent :) [05:05] <phixion> fh i think we all agree open source is better, but it wont change my mind about PS and gimp
 ok fine! [05:05] <meta> elsha - pm me the output of a "lsusb" command [05:05] <vader1102> tritium: Ubuntu user for life ;-) [05:05] <tritium> yep ;)
 so i'm 1337 and you not! [05:05] <paulproteus|jhu> meta, consider using the pastebot so others can join in [05:05] <MartenH> Can someone hepl me gett his Icon theme operational? It doesn't show up as it should. http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22989
 blat, those kides. [05:06] <xie> Um, I just installed Ubuntu (an older distro) on an older computer I have, and something is definetly broken. When it boots up the screen just shows a bunch of bouncy colorful snow, and no desktop. [05:06] <phixion> fh o_O you = weirdo :D [05:06] <elwood> MartenH, download and install [05:06] <windex> elsha: logging in over vnc.. [05:06] <paulproteus|jhu> xie, Hoary or Warty?
 yes [05:06] <paulproteus|jhu> In general, we urge you to use the current release, Hoary. [05:06] <xie> Not an option right now [05:06] <windex> hm
 you microscop(microsoft) [05:07] <windex> elsha: can i PM you? [05:07] <xie> I just ordered the CDs, but all I have is a CD that says "Version 4.10 windows x/86" [05:07] <phixion> fh no i use ubuntu [05:07] <xie> err Intel not windows
 and ps in windows [05:07] <chn> hmmm hmm hmm [05:07] <phixion> yes fh... [05:07] <phixion> your point? [05:07] <meta> elsha - the 046d:0840 id cam should be supported by this driver http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/ (go download, then get qc-usb script from sourceforge download)
 you use windows!!! let's kill him boys! [05:07] <chn> 3rd time using ubuntu and im back to compiling from source heheh [05:07] <phixion> no i use ubuntu [05:07] <phixion> and only ubuntu [05:07] <phixion> WEIRDO [05:07] <MartenH> elwood: I downlaoded it, placed it in ~/.icons and it shows up when i go to system->themes. But the icons doesn't show up and some (such as show desktop) are broken
 lol
 i was just playing man
 take it easy [05:08] <MartenH> elwood: there is a menu addon that might be needed for it to work but I have no idea how to install that [05:08] <meta> elsha - my 870 id worked with that script, just make sure you a) install kernel headers (search synaptic) and b) "sudo -s -H" to fully become root before you run it because the script doesn't understand sudo, only su [05:09] <fh> ok need to go guys [05:09] <fh> bye [05:09] <elsha> meta, yeah, i definitely did both a and b when i installed it [05:09] <elsha> i'll redo it anyways [05:10] <meta> elsha - the other point is make sure gnome meeting is using v4l not v4l2, you may need to synaptic v4l in [05:11] <elsha> ah, it is on v4l2 [05:13] <meta> elsha - I think only "libpt-plugins-v4l2" is installed default and you might need "libpt-plugins-v4l", search synaptic for "v4l" and see if you have it [05:14] <Demostrike> Okay, i cant find the build dir in the modules/(version)/ folder [05:14] <tritium> Demostrike, you mean /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build ? [05:15] <Demostrike> yes :) [05:15] <Demostrike> do i need to install a package [05:15] <elsha> YAY \o/ [05:15] <meta> elsha - working? [05:16] <elsha> yup! [05:16] <fh> !cmd PRIVMSG hi all [05:16] <ubotu> fh: I don't know, could you explain it? [05:16] <elsha> meta, thanks a lot :)
 what? [05:16] <meta> elsha - no probs [05:16] <xie> OK I just rebooted, it's using the older "Warty" release, I'm assuming it doesn't recognize whatever video adapter I'm using, do I have any options besides wait 6 weeks for a new cd?
 what to explain? [05:16] <tritium> Demostrike, did you install linux-headers-$(uname -r) ? [05:16] <Demostrike> I couldnt find them [05:17] <fh> !cmd PRIVMSG #ubuntu :hi all [05:17] <bot666> hi all [05:17] <ubotu> fh: Are you smoking crack? [05:17] <fh> no [05:17] <j_fletcher> I wish I was [05:17] <fh> !cmd PRIVMSG #ubuntu :no hell no! crack is no good man! [05:17] <bot666> no hell no! crack is no good man! [05:17] <ubotu> fh: that's too long [05:17] <tritium> Demostrike, please try this: "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" [05:17] <j_fletcher> bot666: well done, sherlock :) [05:17] <Demostrike> thing is i have to restart to get into linux, in on windows atm [05:17] <j_fletcher> ul [05:18] <fh> !cmd PRIVMSG #ubuntu :thanks [05:18] <bot666> thanks [05:18] <ubotu> fh: I don't know [05:18] <fh> !cmd PRIVMSG #ubuntu :what you don't know? [05:18] <bot666> what you don't know? [05:18] <ubotu> fh: I don't know, could you explain it? [05:18] <tritium> fh, what are you doing? [05:18] <fh> nothing :) [05:19] <Demostrike> tritium: I'm not in ubuntu atm because i need the build files to get my network card working, so what will this do? [05:19] <tritium> Demostrike, okay. Well, that's what you need to install. [05:19] <tritium> Oh, you have no net access in linux? [05:19] <Demostrike> tritium and it'll be there by default? already there, i just need to run the command? [05:19] <Demostrike> no [05:19] <tritium> Demostrike, that command would install the headers that you need [05:19] <bot666> fh is a good guy [05:19] <IIIEars> !webcam [05:19] <ubotu> [webcam] Support for webcams with messenger-like programs will be available in the next version of amsn (already in the CVS version) and with gaim-vv [05:19] <chorton> Can anyone give me some pointers on getting bitlbee up and running? [05:19] <Demostrike> yeah it doesnt have net access [05:20] <bot666> he dosen't do anything [05:20] <bot666> and i'm not bot! [05:20] <Demostrike> is there a manual download i could put on cd or floppy [05:20] <tritium> Demostrike, okay. I don't believe that the headers are on the install CD. You'll have to download it to a CD, as you suggest. [05:20] <Demostrike> where can i find them [05:20] <MikeW> Hi guys. Is Horay faster and more responsive than Warty? [05:20] <tritium> Demostrike, one second [05:20] <fh> !cmd PRIVMSG #ubuntu :and i'm not bot! [05:20] <bot666> and i'm not bot! [05:20] <ubotu> fh: Are you smoking crack?
 no!!!!!!!!
 what is wrong with you man? [05:21] <IIIEars> ubotu webcam is also http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=47841 and GQcam http://cse.unl.edu/~cluening/gqcam/ [05:21] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay [05:21] <tritium> fh, okay, you've had your fun. Please stop [05:21] <nevin> MikeW: in genereal, not really, as its just newer software, but some stuff may be changed to run faster (optimizations and such) [05:21] <nevin> MikeW: also, you may find better support for hw [05:21] <tritium> Demostrike, here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/devel/ [05:22] <tritium> grab the one that matches your kernel version _exactly_ [05:22] <Demostrike> ok thanks [05:22] <tritium> Demostrike, which kernel are you using?
 i don't know what are you talking about and he ask me agian and again if i'm smoking and i said i don't so what the hell? [05:22] <Demostrike> ill have to check [05:23] <tritium> fh, ubotu is a bot [05:23] <fh> yea? [05:23] <MikeW> nevin: hmm, I installed warty on my celeron 533 with 128 ram, and found it slow, especially launching firefox and even terminal windows. I removed the partition. Strange, because firefox on winxp was much much faster. I was wondering if horay was noticably faster than warty [05:23] <fh> so why he ask if i smoke? [05:23] <tritium> so don't be surprised if he keeps asking you that [05:23] <tritium> Demostrike, okay, you can check with the command "uname -r" [05:24] <Demostrike> tritium im running warty 4.10 the kernerl for that, 1 sec [05:24] <tritium> Demostrike, oh, then wait. [05:24] <MyKq3> hello [05:24] <meta> ok, I just owned firefox with an upgrade from synaptic... "/.gtkrc-2.0:2: Unable to find include file: ".gtkrc-2.0-scrollbar_cog" [05:24] <tritium> I gave you a URL for hoary, Demostrike
 anyway i got here a bot and i give him some commands so i can't stop [05:24] <Demostrike> ahh ok [05:24] <nevin> MikeW: that may just be because gnome is taking up some serious horsepower; 128MB RAM has become unfortunately not quite adequate for the big desktop managers (I know your position, I just upgraded from 128MB to 1.5GB) [05:24] <tritium> Demostrike, have you tried hoary instead? You may not have to build modules for your NIC.
 you know what? i will give my bot command in private [05:25] <tritium> thanks [05:25] <Bubbling_Zombie> MikeW, you might try xfce. It's much lighter [05:25] <fh> np [05:25] <Bubbling_Zombie> *want to [05:25] <phixion> MikeW, you can't expect anything to be fast with a low end system like that [05:25] <Demostrike> tritium well basically im trying to get my wireless card working, and following a tutorial its asking me for these files [05:26] <Demostrike> its an acx111 or something [05:26] <tritium> Demostrike, okay, but if I'm just suggesting you try hoary if you can. [05:26] <MikeW> Bubbling_Zombie: is that included on the ubuntu cd? I still can't get my head around with having to download packages for my distribution and trying to find some way to make them work [05:26] <Dakel> Has anyone here had problems getting to GOOGLE due to their firewall? In my case, only google and related sites are affected. I'm using Firestarter to manage my firewall. [05:26] <Bubbling_Zombie> MikeW, no clue. [05:26] <Demostrike> okay, what would it do? i mean id have to download a whole cd [05:27] <Demostrike> whats so different? [05:27] <MikeW> phixion: I'd be happy if it ran as fast as windows xp does on that box. The machine flies with windows [05:27] <nevin> MikeW: xfce is a fairly small download, and gdm should present you with an easy option for using it instead of gnome [05:27] <tritium> Demostrike, there are updates and improvements with each release. [05:27] <phixion> celeron 533 with 128mb ram flying? :P [05:27] <tritium> which driver are you building, Demostrike [05:27] <tritium> ? [05:27] <Bubbling_Zombie> phixion, if you strip it down it'll fly [05:27] <Bubbling_Zombie> :)- [05:27] <phixion> :D [05:27] <Bubbling_Zombie> i know mine does. [05:28] <bugz> I have a question about screen resolutions... [05:28] <Demostrike> tritium http://acx100.sourceforge.net/index.html thats the homepage [05:28] <hilacha> plz.. there are some squid jedi that can helpme? [05:28] <hilacha> my question is: "i have "acl usuarios_full proxy_auth "/etc/squid/acl_usuarios_full" and http_access allow usuarios_full. I autenticate with a right user, but i get: ' The request GET http://housecall-p.activeupdate.trendmicro.com:80/activeupdate/server.ini is DENIED, because it matched 'usuarios_full'!!!!!!!!!!" [05:29] <nevin> MikeW: you may want to try vector linux, its a much lighterweight distro [05:29] <bugz> Uh, my only option for screen resolutions is 640x480...how do I get 1024x768 on there? [05:29] <nevin> MikeW: however xfce should work fine with ubuntu on your box [05:29] <tritium> Demostrike, I see. [05:29] <d3vice> hi all [05:29] <nevin> bugz: you're going to need to edit your xorg.conf file [05:29] <bugz> Yes, I know. But, I'm not sure which part to edit, or what to change it to [05:30] <Bubbling_Zombie> try [05:30] <Demostrike> tritium so the hedge is a newer version? [05:30] <Bubbling_Zombie> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [05:30] <tritium> bugz, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" [05:30] <nevin> bugz: in your "screen" section, there is a list of resolutions [05:30] <d3vice> i deleted /etc/webmin folder, now i can't uninstall webmin, anyway to force it with apt-get/dpkg ? [05:30] <nevin> bugz: tritium's idea may be simpler for you [05:30] <tritium> Bubbling_Zombie, :) [05:31] <bugz> I'll try editing the xorg file, if I mess up, I can just reinstall Ubuntu, I just got it installed like 5 minutes ago [05:31] <tritium> bugz, you should not need to reinstall [05:31] <gyaresu> !resolution [05:31] <ubotu> [resolution] at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto [05:31] <nevin> bugz: use tritium's idea: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [05:31] <bugz> Alright [05:31] <Bubbling_Zombie> bugz, the x-server (your xorg) is only a smart part [05:31] <nevin> or ubotu's [05:31] <Bubbling_Zombie> that can be fixed :x [05:31] <gyaresu> tell bugz about resolution [05:31] <FHs_bot> who needs help? [05:32] <sproingie> is there a way to add gtk themes without installing gnome? [05:32] <arnonym> bye [05:32] <FHs_bot> bye [05:32] <Demostrike> tritium so the hedge is a newer version? [05:32] <FHs_bot> someone needs help? [05:32] <tritium> Demostrike, yes, hoary is newer. [05:33] <IIIEars> ubotu xserver is also or !xwindows [05:33] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay [05:33] <sproingie> hm, just discovered the kcontrol for gtk-qt, nevermind [05:33] <Demostrike> i have the hoary live cd, i cant instal or upgrade from that can i [05:33] <tritium> Demostrike, there is an acx_pci driver in hoary [05:33] <tritium> It's for the acx100 [05:34] <FHs_bot> why ubuntu dosen't upgrade firefox when needed? [05:34] <Demostrike> ahh, i need a acx 111 [05:34] <ubulinux> hello, Every once in a while, my logout menu changes from the default (that offersLock Screen, Reboot, etc.) to one that only offers Logout. Does anyone know where the Log Out menu options are controlled? [05:34] <tritium> Demostrike, it'll work for that too [05:34] <bugz> I'm doing the dpkg xserver thing, let's see if it can find it... [05:34] <Demostrike> oh okay, thanks [05:34] <meta> FHs_bot, well my firefox just got owned and now won't load at all [05:34] <Demostrike> i guess ill download it then [05:34] <Demostrike> thanks :) tritium [05:34] <tritium> Demostrike, this is from "modinfo acx_pci": description: Driver for TI ACX1xx based wireless cards (CardBus/PCI/USB) [05:34] <FHs_bot> :\ [05:35] <FHs_bot> sucks man [05:35] <Demostrike> lright [05:35] <FHs_bot> in gentoo firefox is upgraded when needed [05:35] <tritium> less work, more fun, Demostrike :) [05:35] <Demostrike> if i download hegdehog do i have to wipe warty or will it upgrade [05:35] <Bubbling_Zombie> it'll upgrade [05:36] <tritium> Demostrike, please consider Bubbling_Zombie's advice, and simply upgrade [05:36] <Demostrike> thanks [05:36] <Demostrike> i am upgrading [05:36] <Demostrike> i gotta wait till it downloads -_- [05:36] <bugz> nevin, how many KB should I set to be used by my video card? [05:36] <fh> well ubuntu realy need to upgrade security packages once for a while [05:36] <tritium> fh, such as? [05:36] <nevin> bugz: in most cases, it'll be auto-detected [05:36] <fh> firefox [05:36] <tritium> it's already up to 1.0.6 [05:37] <Goek> i wanna mount an iso-file and for that i use 'mount -o loop file.iso /mnt/iso [05:37] <fh> no in hoary [05:37] <brian__> Strange lockups with Ubuntu amd64. keyboard locks, cursor remains operational. Have to hit the front powerswitch to get maching to shutdown [05:37] <chrissturm> ubuntu firefox has all fixes applied [05:37] <Goek> i've made /mnt/iso [05:37] <Goek> and i'm root [05:37] <nevin> bugz: do you know how much you have? if you do, eneter it anyways [05:37] <gyaresu> Goek, yessum... [05:37] <tritium> fh, yep in hoary [05:37] <bugz> Oh ok, I didn't finish reading the thing >_> [05:37] <fh> with apt-get dist-upgrade man? [05:37] <gyaresu> Goek, and maybe -t iso9660 [05:37] <Goek> it asks for what filesystem, and i really don't know [05:37] <Goek> ok [05:37] <tritium> fh, you don't need dist-upgrade, just upgrade. It was a security fix a few days ago [05:38] <Bubbling_Zombie> mount -t iso9660 -o loop image.iso /mnt/iso <- try that Goek [05:38] <Demostrike> is there a bittorrent link for hoary install cd [05:38] <d3vice> i deleted /etc/webmin folder, now i can't uninstall webmin, anyway to force it with apt-get/dpkg ? [05:38] <fh> cool i haven't noticed [05:38] <fh> thx man [05:38] <vader1102> see you guys this evening, time to go and make some money [05:38] <fh> my bot is happy too [05:38] <Bubbling_Zombie> Demostrike, do you have ubuntu installed? [05:38] <Demostrike> yes [05:38] <FHs_bot> i'm happy [05:38] <Bubbling_Zombie> you might want to try updating thru synaptic/apt [05:38] <tritium> fh, that's great, but can we keep him quiet please? [05:38] <Demostrike> i cant i need the wireless driver [05:39] <Bubbling_Zombie> oh, that way [05:39] <Demostrike> which is on hoary [05:39] <Goek> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop5, [05:39] <Bubbling_Zombie> ah, i see :x
 yes just look when he goes [05:39] <fh> !part #ubuntu :bye all! [05:39] <ubotu> fh: I don't know, could you explain it? [05:39] <Demostrike> just i tried to download it and it finished after 100 mb and was corrupt... [05:39] <tritium> fh, thank you [05:39] <JadeRobbins> question: i am running a command from the console, and i want the results to be put into a new text file. How do i do that? [05:39] <gyaresu> Goek, loop5? do you have other iso files mounted? [05:40] <ValheruLord> hi all.. i found something called splashy.. it shows boot process procent. Some friends told me that i can find themes for splashy. Wher ecan i find ?
 just say when [05:40] <Goek> i have had an other iso mounted, but i just umounted it [05:40] <tritium> fh, it's just such a busy channel, that it's best. I appreciate your cooperation. :) [05:40] <Bubbling_Zombie> Demostrike, there are bittorrent links on the download pages, alongside with the regular *.iso's [05:40] <gyaresu> Goek, you may have run out of block devices for loop devices... [05:40] <gyaresu> Goek, but if you only had one other... [05:40] <JadeRobbins> can anyone help me? :( [05:40] <Demostrike> oh yeah, thank
 as i said it's not a problem man [05:40] <JadeRobbins> i should know how to do that, but i'm retarded [05:41] <tritium> very cool, fh :) [05:41] <gyaresu> JadeRobbins, depends on the command .... [05:41] <JadeRobbins> okay, lspci [05:41] <Bubbling_Zombie> lspci > bleh.txt [05:41] <meta> JadeRobbins - command > file.txt [05:41] <JadeRobbins> thank you so much guys ;) [05:41] <gyaresu> JadeRobbins, some commands come with 'options' [05:41] <Bubbling_Zombie> >> if you want to append [05:41] <fh> firefox (1.0.6) 1.0.6 1.0.2 0.10.1 not cool(http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu) [05:41] <gyaresu> meta, not all commands... [05:41] <Demostrike> And kaboom, bittorrent is off [05:41] <Bubbling_Zombie> ^-^ [05:42] <fh> hoary with 1.0.2 [05:42] <fh> see http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu [05:42] <Demostrike> yeah i noticed that, firefox was outdated lol [05:42] <meta> gyaresu - yeah I suppose, top, and the like aren't going to play well with that, heh [05:42] <faen> aloha everyone [05:42] <Bubbling_Zombie> hello [05:42] <elwood> but when i order cd can i also order a girl packed with it? [05:42] <JadeRobbins> GIAM's irc colors are all crappy [05:42] <gyaresu> meta, :) aye. [05:42] <tritium> fh, you're not finding 1.0.6? [05:42] <JadeRobbins> anyone else notice that? [05:43] <Bubbling_Zombie> elwood, yes. [05:43] <faen> just switched from mandriva, have to re-learn linux now [05:43] <Bubbling_Zombie> xD [05:43] <tritium> !info firefox [05:43] <elwood> !info cd [05:43] <tritium> !info mozlilla-firefox [05:43] <Demostrike> !info mozlilla-firefox [05:43] <sorush20> guys what is QT and how do I make sure I have it installed or not.. when I do a search on the synaptic there are lots of packages... [05:43] <chn> where do i turn on php support in apache2
 in brezzy it's 1.0.6 in hoary 1.0.2 (http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu) [05:43] <chn> ????????????????? [05:43] <d3vice> how do i force a package to uninstall ? [05:43] <elwood> sorush20, qt are libraries [05:43] <JadeRobbins> can i do the >> with a tail command? [05:43] <tommi^> I have /home partition made with debian unstable. Every time I boot e2fsck complains that it has newer features and can't be checked. Can I use backports to fix this problem and what package should I be looking for? [05:44] <tritium> !info mozilla-firefox [05:44] <JadeRobbins> or do i pipe it into an editor? [05:44] <ubotu> mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.2-0ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 8581 kB, Installed size: 24100 kB [05:44] <Goek> darn [05:44] <nevin> d3vice: apt-get remove package? [05:44] <fh> 1.0.2-0ubuntu5 [05:44] <faen> just made fresh install of hoary, what firewall if any is used, and where is the security config type stuff? [05:44] <chn> and whats up with the lame virtual host thingie [05:44] <chn> GRrrrr [05:44] <elwood> JadeRobbins, yes tail -f /var/log/messages | grep usb > pippo.txt [05:44] <nevin> fh: I'm downloading 1.06 as we speak via apt [05:44] <d3vice> nevin, yes, it exists with status 2, doesnt resolve the problem [05:44] <Demostrike> well you can just update anyway [05:44] <sorush20> elwood, I'm trying to install KDAR and its one of the dependencies.... [05:44] <Bubbling_Zombie> actually
 if you say [05:44] <Bubbling_Zombie> qt is a framework [05:44] <Bubbling_Zombie> :x [05:45] <elwood> sorush20, with apt? [05:45] <tritium> this is the version from hoary-security 1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1 [05:45] <tritium> fh, make sure you've enabled hoary-security [05:45] <thoreauputic> faen: a default install of hoary doesn't need a firewall ( no services are enabled to the internet) [05:45] <nevin> d3vice: does it gave any extra info, ther than the error number?
 ok thx i will check it out [05:45] <elwood> sorush20, apt-get install qt [05:46] <tritium> chn, apt-cache search apache php [05:46] <thoreauputic> or to the network in fact... [05:46] <Demostrike> im gonna go now, thanks for the help :) [05:46] <jantan21> hi all [05:46] <tritium> chn, you'll find what you need [05:46] <d3vice> nevin, yes, it says it cant find /etc/webmin/webmin.acl
 going now, bye and thx for everything [05:46] <tritium> fh, take care, buddy
 u2! [05:46] <faen> thoreauputic: I see, I would like to run ssh, and a small ircd and a few other little items, what is a good selection for debian/ubuntu firewall [05:46] <meta> well my firefox doesn't even fail with an error now, just silently [05:46] <Petrov> hello [05:47] <sorush20> elwood.. I get the package can't be found.. [05:47] <jantan21> fh : thx's, but my music not connec, why ? [05:47] <Petrov> how can ik install kde? [05:47] <chn> tritium, ive installed everything [05:47] <nevin> d3vice: I remember having that problem... try echo > /etc/webmin/webmin.acl [05:47] <elwood> sorush20, apt-cache search qt [05:47] <meta> hey petrov [05:47] <thoreauputic> faen: firestarter is a nice gui for configuring iptables [05:47] <chn> i just dont get the lame conf files in debian [05:47] <elwood> sorush20, and check how is named [05:47] <IIIEars> faen - Ubuntu uses iptables and is configured by default to pretty stealthy. see gibson research shields up! test - firestarter is a linux gui firewall that is really only necessary if you need to easily configure settings not already setup. [05:47] <chn> could easily be simplified [05:47] <nevin> d3vice: there may be a few files missing from the pacakage... webmin should be installed from the tgz form the webmin site on ubuntu, the package is borked [05:47] <faen> IIIEars, thoreauputic hanks [05:48] <jantan21> fh: can u help me [05:48] <guizzzmo> hi [05:48] <Petrov> how can i install kde? :p [05:48] <elwood> sorush20, done? [05:48] <JadeRobbins> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [05:48] <nevin> Petrov: sudo apt-get install kde [05:48] <chn> i have LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so [05:48] <chn> in httpd.conf [05:49] <jantan21> thx's for u all [05:49] <Petrov> i haven't got kde on my install cd [05:49] <faen> IIIEars thoreauputic : I never was prompted to set up a su passwd and I am unable to su, any ideas? [05:49] <guizzzmo> i have a problem with sk98lin, it is not working with a marvell yukon 88E8086 fast ethernet card [05:49] <chn> and ive added the postfix extrention for .php [05:49] <thoreauputic> !root [05:49] <ubotu> well, root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [05:49] <d3vice> nevin, it worked, thank you very much =) [05:49] <chn> in apache2.conf [05:49] <thoreauputic> faen: see ubotu's URL [05:49] <nevin> faen: just use sudo, ubuntu doesn't use su [05:49] <meta> is there a way of uninstalling firefox without taking ubuntu-desktop with it? [05:49] <faen> k [05:49] <nevin> d3vice: no problem [05:49] <chn> and the default site index [05:49] <JadeRobbins> faen: use sudo and by default it is your default user's password i believe [05:49] <chn> but the bitch wont work [05:50] <cs378> daen: sudo -s [05:50] <faen> wow, much different than mandriva etc.. [05:50] <cs378> daen: u can set su too, ubuntuguide.org shows it all [05:50] <faen> cs378: thanks [05:50] <JadeRobbins> okay [05:50] <JadeRobbins> question fellas :D [05:51] <sorush20> guys.. I keep getting these errors when I try to install KDAR... [05:51] <JadeRobbins> in the console how do i copy files to my usb drive? :x [05:51] <elwood> sorush20, past me the errors [05:51] <cs378> i just installed Ubuntu yesterday, I was reading this forum on how to install Opera. But it didnt work, so i uninstall it, the opera icon is still in the menu. how do i delete that icon? [05:52] <guizzzmo> any idea? [05:52] <DekaPink> Where are the includes in Ubuntu? ^^ [05:52] <meta> JadeRobbins - cp is the command so if you were in your home directory it would be "cp resume.doc /media/usbdisk/" [05:52] <thoreauputic> !smeg [05:52] <ubotu> smeg is probably a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports. [05:52] <JadeRobbins> ahhh [05:52] <chn> aha [05:52] <JadeRobbins> auto mounted i see L:D [05:52] <chn> debian fucks up with php5 [05:53] <thoreauputic> cs378: ues smeg as above [05:53] <DekaPink> As they aren't where a script I'm trying to run thinks they should be (linuxincludes=/usr/src/linux/include) Is it something I need to install? [05:53] <thoreauputic> *use [05:53] <bugz> If I edit the xorg.conf file, I need to reboot for changes to take effect, right? [05:53] <meta> JadeRobbins - well it should be automounted :P, if not there are a few more things to do, you probably have an icon on your desktop or in "places" too [05:53] <thoreauputic> bugz: no, just restart the X server [05:54] <bugz> Ctrl+Alt+Backspace? [05:54] <thoreauputic> bugz: ctrl-alt-backspace [05:54] <samuelk> i need help installing a boot splash... [05:54] <thoreauputic> yep [05:54] <bugz> k [05:54] <bugz> Also, I need to know how to install software on Ubuntu... [05:54] <thoreauputic> !synaptic [05:54] <ubotu> [synaptic] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto [05:54] <bugz> I downloaded an RPM, and I have no idea how to install it [05:54] <guizzzmo> anybody is using sk98lin module? [05:54] <thoreauputic> bugz: synaptic as above [05:55] <thoreauputic> bugz: Ubuntu uses .deb , not rpm [05:55] <toad3030> hello, i'm new to linux, and i was wondering how to set up my sound? [05:55] <samuelk> you can install rpm.. [05:55] <bugz> oh... [05:55] <bugz> If I get an RPM, I can still use it can't I [05:55] <thoreauputic> samuelk: yes but lets keep it simple :) [05:56] <IIIEars> bugz - in a pinch alien will manage [05:56] <samuelk> yes you can [05:56] <mjr> bugz, you can try alien on it, but prefer debs [05:56] <Rockett17> if you use alien to convert it [05:56] <windex> bugz: "sometimes". [05:56] <IIIEars> man alien [05:56] <bugz> ..Alright, how would I get into Alien then [05:56] <cs378> the menu thing, whoever replied me, how do i do it? (sry got logged off, didnt see) [05:56] <thoreauputic> bugz: what are you wanting to install ? [05:56] <bugz> LimeWire [05:56] <thoreauputic> ah [05:57] <cs378> and what the Ctrl+Alt_Backspace do? [05:57] <samuelk> restart X [05:57] <meta> samuelk - "sudo cp mysplash.png /usr/share/pixmaps/splash/ubuntu-splash.png" [05:57] <faen> should firestarter be on the add/remove programs listing ? [05:57] <samuelk> thx meta [05:57] <faen> err aynaptic pckg manager? [05:57] <dr_willis> ctrl-alt-NUMPAD_Backspace kills X off :P [05:57] <cs378> ohh [05:58] <dr_willis> isent it? oh wait.. im tininkg of the + and - [05:58] <dr_willis> :P [05:58] <dr_willis> since there is no numpad backspace.. [05:58] <elsha> http://prodtn.cafepress.com/5/14580695_F_tn.jpg heh, oh dear [05:58] <thoreauputic> faen: you need the universe repository [05:58] <cs378> thats why i got logged off lol [05:58] <thoreauputic> !repos [05:58] <ubotu> well, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [05:58] <thoreauputic> faen: ^^^ [05:58] <ernstp> anyone found mkfontdir in breezy? [05:59] <bugz> Wait [05:59] <bugz> In that synaptic thing, it says "select Computer>System Configuration>Synaptic Package Manager" [05:59] <bugz> ...Where's Computer at [06:00] <dr_willis> bugz, i normally just open a shell and type 'synaptic' [06:00] <bugz> ? [06:00] <dr_willis> ?? [06:00] <bugz> I forgot to mention, I know nothing about Ubuntu [06:00] <toad3030> would anybody mind helping me set up my video card drivers???? [06:00] <bugz> or Linux in general [06:01] <elwood> toad3030, tell my your card [06:01] <dr_willis> the menu item in question is under System/Administration/ [06:01] <dan_> hi everybody)) I did it! Bye bye microsoft!! =) [06:01] <toad3030> i have a nvidia fx 5600 [06:01] <meta> bugz - the menus up the top left, applications/places/system.... it's the system one, then go admin => synaptic [06:01] <elwood> toad3030, and go to nvidia.com and download driver [06:02] <elwood> toad3030, sell me your old card so!!! [06:02] <toad3030> haha, i didn't know they made drivers for linux, sorry, i'm a noob and linux, just got it yesterday [06:02] <Kazrak> Howdy. [06:02] <toad3030> this is my old card elwood lol [06:02] <Belutz> tritium: hai sir :) [06:03] <elwood> toad3030, your are lucky [06:03] <Kazrak> Is this an appropriate place to report a problem downloading Kubuntu? [06:03] <toad3030> what linux drive should i use? [06:04] <toad3030> the IA32? [06:04] <Kazrak> kubuntu-5.04-dvd-powerpc.iso [06:04] <|rockinnerd|> how does one make arts start at startup? [06:04] <Goek> Kazrak it's a fine place [06:04] <|rockinnerd|> even when one runs gnome? [06:04] <cs378> how do i remove a icon in the menu? help plzzz [06:04] <guizzzmo> this is not workin at all, i have to move to centos [06:04] <elwood> toad3030, depends on your system [06:04] <guizzzmo> bye [06:05] <Kazrak> The torrent download for kubuntu-5.04-dvd-powerpc.iso seems to stop after 72.1% complete for everyone I see on the peer list (including me). [06:05] <Goek> Kazrak, but u could try #kubuntu [06:05] <toad3030> just a amd athlon 2800 [06:05] <Kazrak> It looks like there is no server with 100% available. [06:05] <bugz> Where is the "Computer menu"... [06:05] <|rockinnerd|> bugz, rt-click panel,a dd to panel, [06:05] <|rockinnerd|> one of the menus [06:06] <Riddell> Kazrak: I know and I've tried poking the sysadmin [06:06] <elwood> toad3030, https://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards?highlight=%28nvidia-glx%29 [06:06] <Riddell> Kazrak: could you report it on the ubuntu-devel mailing list? [06:06] <Kazrak> More accurately, it looks like there was at some point, some downloader got 72.1% and then the completed server went offline and everyone else connecting now can only get the 72.1%. [06:06] <bugz> My menus are Applications, Places and System [06:06] <meta> kazrak - the last 30% is missing cause you aren't using the kittorrent, srry bad joke [06:06] <Kazrak> Is the ubuntu-devel mailing list open or closed? [06:06] <meta> bugs - yeah it's under system [06:06] <Riddell> Kazrak: open [06:07] <thoreauputic> bugz: ah - the howto is out of date - look in system [06:07] <|rockinnerd|> Kazrak, yes its open [06:07] <toad3030> thank you elwood [06:07] <elwood> toad3030, nop i have an nvidia too [06:07] <Kazrak> OK. I'll post to it and request CC. Thanks. [06:07] <bugz> No it's not >_> [06:07] <bugz> Not under system [06:07] <|rockinnerd|> how does one make artsd start at startup? [06:07] <meta> Kazrak - sorry one more... are you are KDE enthusiast who used to be called azrak? [06:08] <toad3030> doesn't look like theres a 5600 though [06:08] <thoreauputic> bugz: System/Administration/ I think for synaptic [06:08] <|rockinnerd|> is it possible? [06:09] <Riddell> Kazrak: thanks [06:10] <nariman> hello everybody [06:10] <nariman> i need help [06:10] <samuelk> any one know any good programing program for linux? [06:10] <Kazrak> I'm a KDE enthusiast, but I never went by "azrak". :) [06:10] <toad3030> think i got it elwood, thx again :) [06:10] <auk> bugz: the menu bar-thingy used to be applications, computer. computer sort of got split into places and sysytem [06:11] <nariman> is there a program that alows me to run winows in a window [06:11] <elwood> toad3030, no problems...remember me when you will change your card :) [06:11] <dr_willis> samuelk, thats a little vague [06:11] <toad3030> hehe [06:11] <toad3030> anybody use cedega?? [06:11] <auk> and before that it had an "Actions" menu in there... [06:11] <dr_willis> toad3030, yes I do. :P [06:11] <thoreauputic> samuelk: anjuta is an IDE if that's what you want [06:11] <nariman> is there a program that alows me to run winows in a window???? [06:11] <toad3030> is it pretty easy to install? [06:12] <toad3030> i'm new to linux, just got it yesterday [06:12] <dr_willis> nariman, what do you want to 'run' exactly? [06:12] <nariman> a game (gta2) [06:12] <bugz> Alright, now can someone tell me how to install an RPM? [06:12] <dr_willis> nariman, then you want to look at 'cedega' [06:12] <bugz> Er, I don't understand the alien thing [06:12] <samuelk> looks good :D [06:12] <bugz> either [06:12] <auk> bugz: alien <blah_blah.rpm> [06:12] <nariman> whats that? im a linux newbie [06:12] <dr_willis> nariman, and its not free. :P and it can run GTA2, but ive had issues with it. [06:13] <nariman> :( [06:13] <auk> dpkg -i <blah_blah.deb> [06:13] <nariman> but, isn there a program that can run winows under linux? [06:13] <toad3030> cedega is only $5/month right? [06:13] <dr_willis> http://www.transgaming.com/ - home of cedega - used to be called wines [06:13] <dr_willis> nariman, running the whole windows OPERATING system - you can try vmware (not free) and a few other tools.. but doing that for ONE game - is overkill. [06:14] <samuelk> can you run games like warcraft 3 roc and counterstrike with the old wine? [06:14] <dr_willis> WIneX became Cedega [06:14] <auk> nariman: there are several [06:14] <auk> !vwware [06:14] <ubotu> auk: I haven't a clue [06:14] <nariman> hm.. maybe [06:14] <auk> !vmware [06:14] <ubotu> I don't know, auk [06:14] <auk> uuggh [06:14] <dr_willis> samuelk, Ive heard that some can run with the normal wine. [06:14] <bugz> auk: Were you talking to me with the dpkg thing? [06:14] <bugz> wait [06:14] <auk> bugz: yes [06:14] <bugz> nevermind [06:14] <auk> !wine [06:14] <ubotu> auk: I don't know, could you explain it? [06:14] <auk> !info wine [06:14] <nariman> isn't there anyway to get it for free :) [06:14] <ubotu> wine: (Windows Emulator (Binary Emulator)), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.0.20050310-1.1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1248 kB, Installed size: 2596 kB [06:14] <jantan21> hi...can u help me ? [06:14] <samuelk> i think i got warcraft 3 working [06:14] <samuelk> but i dont remember how :D [06:14] <jantan21> hi all...can u help me ? [06:15] <bugz> So, I need to do alien path_to_rpm? [06:15] <auk> jantan21: don't ask to ask, just ask [06:15] <auk> bugz: yes [06:15] <bugz> Alright [06:15] <nariman> ubotu, whats wine? [06:15] <ubotu> nariman: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [06:15] <bugz> And that will turn it into a .deb? [06:15] <nariman> ubotu, what is larger? [06:15] <ubotu> nariman: what are you talking about? [06:15] <auk> or you can just do alien -i and skip dpgk, but i don't think it's as goo [06:15] <auk> d [06:15] <bugz> Alright. [06:15] <nariman> haha [06:16] <jantan21> ok [06:16] <nariman> ubotu, does the windows emulator take much cpu in idle? [06:16] <ubotu> nariman: Are you smoking crack? [06:16] <thoreauputic> nariman: please don't abuse the bot [06:16] <nariman> sorry, just a bit confused [06:16] <auk> ubot, what's package wine [06:16] <auk> uboto, what's package wine [06:16] <jantan21> how share windows for linux printer [06:16] <dr_willis> ubotu - is an infomation bot. and only understands a few commands. [06:16] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, dr_willis [06:17] <dr_willis> lol [06:17] <auk> stupid bot [06:17] <nariman> haha [06:17] <auk> he doesn't even know ubotu, what's <blah> ? [06:17] <nariman> ok, anyone. where can i find an windows emulator?? [06:17] <auk> narimanL try wine [06:17] <dr_willis> jantan21, you mean let windows access a printer on a linux box? [06:18] <faen> ok guys what about win32 codecs for wmv, mp3, mpg, avi and all that what pckg am I looking for? [06:18] <dr_willis> nariman, depends on waht you want do, your choises are "wine" "Cedega" "vmware" or a few others. [06:18] <thoreauputic> !restricted [06:18] <ubotu> restricted is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [06:18] <bugz> Uh, auk, it tells me I have to run as root to convert to deb format [06:18] <nariman> ok, i wnat to run gta2 [06:18] <nariman> ,and cedega is free [06:18] <auk> bugz: 'sudo alien <blah_blah.rpm> [06:18] <auk> * " [06:18] <auk> * " = ' [06:18] <bugz> I tried...it didn't do anything after that [06:18] <dr_willis> cedega is not free. the CVS version is free.. but I dont think it will play all the games. [06:19] <bugz> Didn't give me a message or anything [06:19] <auk> bugz: add sudo to the beginning [06:19] <auk> !sudo [06:19] <ubotu> I heard sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [06:19] <bugz> I did [06:19] <thoreauputic> nariman: cedega is decidedly unfree [06:19] <bugz> What should it do if it works? [06:19] <auk> bugz: did it just return to a new line? [06:19] <bugz> yes, with nothing onit [06:19] <bugz> *on it [06:19] <auk> well that's good [06:19] <nariman> forgot to put "not" [06:19] <auk> it worked [06:19] <bugz> Oh [06:20] <bugz> Where did it go then o-o [06:20] <nariman> is wine ok then? [06:20] <jantan21> dr_willis : how share printer windows to linux [06:20] <auk> bugz: in that same dir, there shoudl be a fiel with the same name except for the extension [06:20] <auk> *file [06:20] <tom__> hi [06:21] <bugz> ..no, the RPM was on my desktop...and it's still the only thing there [06:21] <faen> can anyone point me in the proper direction to play all forms of media like using xine like .wmv, .avi, .mpg etc? [06:21] <deprave> good morning! [06:21] <faen> basically the win codecs [06:21] <tom__> me to [06:21] <tom__> were u get them [06:21] <thoreauputic> faen: read the restricted formats URL below [06:21] <dr_willis> jantan21, You should be able to add a new printer with the linux tools In the menu. and tell it the server/name of the printer. [06:21] <thoreauputic> !restricted [06:21] <ubotu> restricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [06:21] <faen> k [06:22] <dr_willis> jantan21, System/admin/Printing [06:22] <toad3030> how do you get you cd player to work? [06:23] <Goek> how long time does it take to rip a dvd? with drip? 2ghz, 512mbram? 60minutemovie [06:23] <DekaPink> Yay, I did it... My video card is giving me 3D support now. xD [06:23] <Goek> approx.? [06:24] <bugz> It worked now... [06:25] <bugz> Alright, it made a .deb file, what now? [06:25] <bugz> to install it [06:25] <elwood> bugz, dpkg -i [06:25] <thoreauputic> bugz: prepend sudo to that as well [06:26] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg -i <file.deb> [06:28] <bugz> Alright, i did that [06:28] <bugz> ...what now? [06:28] <Bubbling_Zombie> now it's installed xD [06:29] <thoreauputic> umm.. doesn't limewire requirw java? [06:29] <bugz> Yeah, I know [06:29] <thoreauputic> *require [06:29] <Determinist> hm , anyone here that tried installing ATI drivers for a radeon 9600 pro? [06:29] <tommi^> Hi. Where can I get maildir2mbox? Thanks [06:29] <thoreauputic> !java [06:29] <ubotu> java is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added. [06:30] <Seveas> Mez|AWAY, ping... [06:30] <bugz> I know it's installed, but how do I get to the executable for it... [06:30] <thoreauputic> bugz: won't work without java, methinks [06:30] <bugz> Damn, another thing to install now.. [06:31] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic: want to see something hillarious? [06:31] <thoreauputic> bugz: these things are all patent encumbered and can't legally be included in Ubuntu [06:31] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: sure [06:31] <xxenon> I installed g++3-4 , what shall I do to get a link from "g++" to "g++-3.4" ? [06:31] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic: check www.gotfuck.com (safe for work) [06:31] <thoreauputic> uh huh [06:31] <dr_willis> Determinist, my ati9700pro worked fine [06:32] <bugz> ... [06:32] <Determinist> dr_willis, ok , how did you install and what did you install? [06:32] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic: i'm slashdotting that XD [06:32] <elwood> dr_willis, do you buy that card? [06:33] <Seveas> xxenon, update-alternatives --config g++ [06:33] <bugz> Well, can someone help me with my screen resolution problem then? [06:33] <dr_willis> Determinist, i.... followed the 3 commands at the ubuntu binary driver howto/wiki took all of.. 3 min perhaps. [06:33] <xxenon> Seveas - thx. [06:33] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, lol :) [06:33] <Seveas> nice page :) [06:33] <dr_willis> elwood, I bought it some time ago.. yes. [06:33] <Determinist> dr_willis, is that on the ubuntuforums? sorry for the questions, so far been trying to install from the official ATI site [06:33] <elwood> dr_willis, can you sell me your old one? [06:33] <xxenon> Seveas - No alternatives for g++ [06:34] <bugz> Alright, how do I edit xorg.conf to make it so I can use 1024x768? [06:34] <xxenon> (only g++-3.4 is installed) [06:34] <dr_willis> Determinist, in NO way - did i use the info at the ati site.. i followed the "binarydriver" wiki/howto. [06:34] <dr_willis> elwood, since its in USE right now.. No. [06:34] <bugz> Anyone? [06:34] <Determinist> dr_willis, erm , ok , thanks mate. would you mind posting a url for some info tho? [06:35] <Brian_Boruma> hi everyone [06:35] <elwood> dr_willis, ok thanks :) [06:35] <Brian_Boruma> its brian from ysterday [06:35] <Brian_Boruma> and the day before [06:35] <dr_willis> Determinist, :) gesh man.. :P https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?highlight=%28binary%29 [06:35] <bluefoxicy> Seveas: what country you in? [06:35] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, NL [06:35] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: just redirects to yahoo.com here [06:35] <bluefoxicy> Seveas: I need to confirm from 3 countries that that hits yahoo [06:35] <Brian_Boruma> i really like this ubuntu [06:35] <Seveas> thoreauputic, that's the trick :) [06:35] <the--dud> I'd appreciate if people tried following this HOWTO http://nix-dev.dudcore.net/HOWTO/InstallingLincityng [06:35] <bluefoxicy> I got canada, US, and NL? [06:35] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, confirmed [06:35] <Brian_Boruma> the more i use it the more i like it [06:36] <the--dud> tell me if its good/bad or how it works for you [06:36] <jantan21> dr_willis jantan21, System/admin/Printing <<< i can't [06:36] <Brian_Boruma> im am learning new things it seems every minute [06:36] <bluefoxicy> ok :) [06:36] <jantan21> Printing: Network host '192.168.1.8' is busy; will retry in 30 seconds... <<<warning [06:36] <thoreauputic> Seveas: hrm - OK I don't really see the humour but whatever... [06:36] <dr_willis> jantan21, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWinXP?highlight=%28printing%29 [06:37] <xxenon> Seveas ? [06:37] <dr_willis> perhaps. :P i now make windoiws use the printers shared on the linux box. [06:38] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic: 'sex' is the #1 search term eveer [06:38] <drbombay43> yellow to all, is there anyone out there using a powerbook [06:39] <witless> hi - i'm setting up 5.04 on my system, but the networking is *incredibly* slow. 20, 30 secs to show a web page or load an imap store... anyone aware of a problem like this? i have debian-sid installed on the same box and i have no such problems... [06:39] <Hawkeye> witless: disable ipv6 networking [06:39] <witless> Hawkeye: thanks, how? [06:39] <Hawkeye> your ISP probably doesn't have an ipv6 enabled DNS server, so your applications will first have to timeout on the ipv6 dns request [06:40] <Hawkeye> through /etc/modules.conf [06:40] <witless> Hawkeye: actually i set up my own caching dns server - would an option be to enable ipv6 networking on that box? [06:40] <bugz> Can anyone tell me how to edit xorg.conf so I can be able to use 1024x768 resolution? [06:40] <hondje> !tell bugz about resolution [06:41] <Seveas> bugz, copy an existing line with a resolutionn and edit the new one to say 1024x768 [06:41] <virtuel> Seveas, I've tried that for a different resolution (1400x1050), but it still doesn't show up [06:41] <Determinist> ummm , how come i dont have /proc/pci? [06:41] <Hawkeye> witless: perhaps, as long as the caching dns server forwards the request as ipv4 to your isp's dns server(s) [06:41] <Hawkeye> put alias net-pf-10 off and alias ipv6 off in /etc/modules.conf [06:42] <dr_willis> BACKUP your existing xorg.conf file befor ya mess with it. :P [06:42] <Seveas> virtuel, you need to restart X for the line to show up [06:42] <Hawkeye> virtuel: is that on a centrino laptop ? You'll have to run a hack to let the bios enable the 1400x1050 modeline [06:43] <Brian_Boruma> how do i install a .run file [06:43] <Brian_Boruma> i downloaded privateer [06:43] <echelon> bb. [06:43] <dr_willis> sh whatever.run [06:43] <virtuel> Seveas, have restarted X, doesn't help [06:43] <Brian_Boruma> from root term? [06:44] <virtuel> Hawkeye, nope, this is on a desktop computer, athlon xp and an Eizo F520 display [06:44] <virtuel> Hawkeye, I'm already running the same resolution in Win2k [06:46] <Brian_Boruma> ok the sh comman + the file .run doesnt work [06:47] <Hawkeye> chmod 744 myfile.run [06:47] <Hawkeye> ./myfile.run [06:47] <Belutz> !wifi [06:47] <ubotu> wifi is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto [06:48] <IIIEars> !ndis [06:48] <ubotu> IIIEars: I don't know [06:48] <Guest29> Hi, I really need some help folks [06:48] <IIIEars> !ndiswrapper [06:48] <ubotu> hmm... ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper [06:48] <NekoNeko> hey all [06:48] <Guest29> I have burned the Ubuntu disc twice [06:48] <Guest29> And each time I try and install... half way thru the base system I get... [06:48] <Brian_Boruma> why? [06:48] <Guest29> No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources [06:49] <Guest29> The current default kernel package is 'kernel-image' [06:49] <dr_willis> because they tend to be comercial junk :P and rarely seem to work well. [06:49] <Guest29> What is wrong with it? [06:49] <NekoNeko> 2 questions for the channel and I missed the answers in the faq I apologize 1) How do I get java on mozilla? the forum stuff isn't working 2) whats the average turn around time from a new version of a program being made to it being on the package list? [06:49] <thoreauputic> Guest29: check the md5sum of your iso and burned CD [06:49] <Guest29> thoreauputic I burned this thing twice [06:49] <Guest29> with 2 different programs [06:49] <thoreauputic> Guest29: sounds like a bad download or burn [06:49] <Guest29> on 2 different OS's [06:49] <Guest29> and DOWNLOADED twice as well [06:50] <Hawkeye> NekoNeko: 2) 6 months [06:50] <virtuel> Guest29, does http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3444 help you? [06:50] <Seveas> Guest29, check the md5sum of the iso and the burnt cd [06:50] <thoreauputic> Guest29: *cough* md5sum *cough* [06:50] <Guest29> I do not think this is a bad CD [06:50] <Seveas> Guest29, and 'kernel-image' does not exist in Ubuntu [06:50] <IIIEars> thoreauputic, - always diplomatic. :) [06:50] <Guest29> Not when it is downloaded twice, burned twice, using 2 different programs and 2 different OS's [06:50] <auk> hmm, i would like to know what the average package turn around is too :) [06:50] <NekoNeko> Hawkeye any way to manually add the packages to the list then? [06:51] <Seveas> Guest29, so you must have done something *really weird* [06:51] <Guest29> Seveas thats the error I get [06:51] <auk> Hawkeye: lol [06:51] <thoreauputic> Guest29: have you read the advice several people have given yoU? [06:51] <Guest29> I am looking at the link [06:51] <IIIEars> Guext, - X86 machine yes? [06:51] <Guest29> Yeah [06:51] <Guest29> No raid [06:51] <Hawkeye> NekoNeko: through third party repositories, but that's generally a pain in the ass. Ubuntu isn't designed to be on the bleeding edge for all packages throughout a certain release's lifetime [06:51] <Brian_Boruma> i wan to run privateer linux but it is a .run [06:51] <Brian_Boruma> i am puzzled [06:52] <Guest29> 15.5 gig EXT3 partition, with 1gig swap [06:52] <Brian_Boruma> i tried googling [06:52] <Hawkeye> if you want a new firefox, gaim or whatever the day after it is released upstream, you shouldn't be running ubuntu, period [06:52] <NekoNeko> bah that sucks [06:52] <Brian_Boruma> im not being lazy [06:52] <NekoNeko> going to have to find a different distro then [06:52] <Hawkeye> debian sid, rawhide or gentoo will be something for you then [06:52] <Brian_Boruma> privateer is wing commander game [06:52] <auk> NekoNeko: ubutu updates packages for security etc, but it doesn' tjust take them fform upstream, they are ubuntu builds [06:53] <Guest29> OK.... [06:53] <Hawkeye> Brian_Boruma: chmod it to 744, and then run it in a console "./myfile.run" [06:53] <Guest29> The forum is saying this is a known bug [06:53] <hondje> can someone run 'apt-cache show bmp-skins | grep Section' and let me know what it says? [06:53] <Guest29> So is there a solution to this bug? [06:53] <toad3030> what file for cedega is best for ubuntu??? [06:53] <NekoNeko> hawkeye gentoo isn't worth running anymore, been using it for 2 years and for the past 4 months nothing but problems [06:53] <IIIEars> believe auk. - that is often a very good thing that ubuntu devs give them the once over [06:53] <jantan21> /etc/cups/cupsd.conf <<<why ? [06:53] <Hawkeye> that's generally what happens when you run on the bleeding edge. That's why some people prefer a stable system that stays the same and is supported for 1.5 years like ubuntu [06:54] <Guest29> So far I am not too impressed with this distro [06:54] <jantan21> /etc/cups/cupsd.conf <<<why not acces ? [06:54] <Guest29> The fucker is buggy [06:54] <Brian_Boruma> can i ask what chmod it to 744 means? [06:54] <djp> why do people find the necessity to chase version numbers? surely a stable os is the name of the game? anyway, if you really feel the need to have the 'latest' version of everything, just download the source and compile yourself... [06:54] <Brian_Boruma> lol [06:54] <NekoNeko> yeah but I can't exactlly play games with other people of I havn't patched for 1.5 years ;) [06:54] <auk> IIIEars: yes, bu ti think they shoudl add in more than just security updates, i like new features as well [06:54] <Hawkeye> Guest29: don't blame your crappy southbridge/cdrom combo on ubuntu [06:54] <Guest29> My what!? [06:55] <Hawkeye> it's clearly a problem with the driver of your southbridge and or cdrom drive, most likely DMA related [06:55] <Guest29> My CD-rom setup is not unusual [06:55] <Brian_Boruma> what is it meaning? [06:55] <Brian_Boruma> chmod it to 744? [06:55] <Guest29> Look... I CAN install ANY other OS except for Ubuntu [06:55] <Hawkeye> I'd suggest setting the cdrom as the master on the secondary IDE channel, and not attaching anything else on it [06:55] <Hawkeye> Brian_Boruma: man chmod [06:55] <IIIEars> auk - 2 releases a year. - two weeks ago a buggy firefox release was fixed in a few days. Quick! [06:55] <NekoNeko> guest feel free to then [06:55] <Guest29> I am on crummy LINDOWS right now trying to speak to you and get answers [06:55] <hondje> Then file a bug report [06:56] <Guest29> Hawkeye, why!? [06:56] <auk> Brian_Boruma: chmod cahnges permissions, i am not sure exactly what 744 does [06:56] <Guest29> This should not be an issue [06:56] <Hawkeye> the 7 means you'll give Read Write and eXecute access to the binary for the owner of the file. (4 is read, 2 is write and 1 is execute, add them together: 7) [06:56] <djp> Guest29: i had the same problem as you, although in reverse. i just stuck with the distro that best works for me. that happened to be Ubuntu. [06:56] <dr_willis> sounds like the iso file may be bad. [06:56] <jantan21> bash: /etc/cups/cupsd.conf: Permission denied <<<can u help me [06:56] <auk> IIIEars: yes, i was VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY upset about the firefox bug [06:57] <Landy> jantan21, are you root? [06:57] <auk> but i do liek how quickly they fixed it--but that was also from upstream, was it not? [06:57] <auk> the ubuntu devs didn't fix it [06:57] <NekoNeko> at least on the good side for ubuntu, my mom who has never touched linux before was able to install it without my help ^^ [06:57] <Hawkeye> Guest29: in general, installers are very picky about cdrom drives. For example, I've seen installations fail, simply because the proper ordering of devices on the IDE cable hadn't been maintained (master on the outmost connector, slave on the middle one) [06:57] <auk> NekoNeko: wow! [06:58] <NekoNeko> auk, considering how little she knows and can't even install windows without help, I almost died from shock [06:58] <dr_willis> "My Mom is l33ter then Your Mom!" [06:58] <djp> NekoNeko: such an easy distro to install. so quick as well. but again, hardware issues are different for each individual [06:58] <Landy> Ubuntu is very cool, easily the best desktop distro I have used [06:58] <NekoNeko> yeah only issue is it didn't detect the wifi cards [06:58] <djp> same here Landy [06:58] <NekoNeko> but I've always had problems with any distro and wifi [06:59] <jantan21> yes [06:59] <faen> I have to say that ubuntu is sort of a tough transition from mandrake/mandriva [06:59] <dr_willis> Wifi is the next incarnation of the WinModem Fiasco of the past. :( [06:59] <jantan21> landy : yes [06:59] <Landy> only issue I have is that it crashed today whilst installing epiphany, a quick reboot and a dpkg --configure -a sorted that though [06:59] <jantan21> landy : yes, i am root [06:59] <NekoNeko> faen, please don't compare anything to mandrake [06:59] <hondje> It'd be easier if people would stop buying hardware that isn't supported [06:59] <NekoNeko> only redhat is that bad [07:00] <Landy> jantan21, and its ubuntu yes? [07:00] <Hawkeye> dr_willis: nah, most cards are much better supported these days than winmodems ever were or will be [07:00] <NekoNeko> hondje the problem is how can you TELL (average USER here) what hardware is supported? [07:00] <dr_willis> I dont even have a modem any more :P [07:00] <faen> NekoNeko: I have used mandrake for quite some time and I guess I am just use to the look/feel of it [07:00] <IIIEars> hondje - what wifi card is best for ubuntu? [07:00] <NekoNeko> my users don't want to look up drivers for their stuff [07:00] <NekoNeko> hence why they make me do it ._. [07:00] <jantan21> landy : yes, it's ubuntu why ? [07:00] <Mez|AWAY> someone wanted me ? [07:00] <hondje> I know the problem won't go away, but it'd be easier [07:00] <NekoNeko> faen, I tried mandrake and it did nothing but crash, redhat the same, fedora is a bit more stable [07:00] <Landy> jantan21, because if I told you to do service cups restart it won't work [07:01] <hondje> IIIEars: I've neverh ad problem with intel and cisco cards [07:01] <faen> after a fresh install of Ubuntu I felt sort of naked and not in control of my box, with mandrake I feel like I have everything under control right out of the gate [07:01] <NekoNeko> you can always get orinco cards [07:01] <faen> however, i'm only 2 hours into ubuntu [07:01] <IIIEars> hondje - thanks. :) [07:01] <NekoNeko> the universal wifi cards [07:01] <phixion> NekoNeko, you can't really compare like that :P I had no problem running either of them [07:01] <faen> so i'll give it a bit of time [07:01] <NekoNeko> compatible with anything :D [07:01] <Landy> my distro life cycle went from, Slackware->SuSE->Mandrake->Fedora Core->Debian->Ubuntu [07:01] <hondje> I'm way biased though [07:02] <jantan21> where it's service cups restar [07:02] <Hawkeye> IIIEars: cards with realtek chips (cheap dlink wireless cards) work to some extent too [07:02] <hondje> I havent' used windows in 5+ years, so all my hardware is compatable [07:02] <NekoNeko> phixion I tried it on 3 of my machines, I watched a classroom of 28 students try redhat and mandrake with a failure rate of about 80% [07:02] <IIIEars> Nice to know :) [07:02] <thoreauputic> faen: I came to Ubuntu via Mandrake, Knoppix and Debian - once you "get" it you won't feel that way any more [07:02] <jantan21> and how service cups restar [07:02] <NekoNeko> I eventually handed the teacher a knoppix cd so he could teach his class [07:02] <Landy> jantan21, service cups restart is a command to restart the cups service, its red hat based though so don't waste your time. Ok, question 1, what are you trying to do [07:02] <toad3030> can anybody tell me what cedega file is best for ubuntu pls??? [07:02] <agentm_> Hi- I am running hoary and I ran apt-get update but I can't install specific packages like libsdl-ttf1.2. Am I forgetting something? [07:02] <hondje> toad3030: the debian one works fine [07:02] <windex> NekoNeko: to be fair, most fresh college students prolly can't handle installing windows. :) [07:03] <toad3030> thank you [07:03] <dbernar1> hi [07:03] <Landy> agentm_, so an apt-cache search <package name> [07:03] <NekoNeko> windex, they were doing it right I was talking with the teach while he was doing class, about 10 machines just plain crashed on install [07:03] <dr_willis> sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart [07:03] <faen> thoreauputic: it would be nice got get a grasp on things as I need to get my servers up & running again shortly [07:03] <jantan21> i don't command for service cups restar [07:03] <faen> got = to [07:03] <NekoNeko> actually kind of funny to see would be linux users cry after their 2 hours install dies >_> [07:04] <Randall64> I swear my 2005fpw was evading my input selection. [07:04] <Landy> dr_willis, don't give it all away just yet ;) [07:04] <agentm_> Landy: no hits though the apt search on the ubuntu website says that it is available [07:04] <windex> NekoNeko: ahh. make them use ubuntu then. it installed on my duron box with no questions except locale stuff and enter a username to log in with. [07:04] <windex> NekoNeko: :) [07:04] <IIIEars> < RH 5.0, RH 7.2, Slack, Fedora, Knoppix, then ubuntu. - only ubuntu has lasted for any length of time. [07:04] <thoreauputic> faen: I suggest " sudo apt-get apt-howto" unless you are familiar with apt already [07:04] <jantan21> * Restarting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd [ ok ] <<< [07:04] <NekoNeko> <3 my durons [07:04] <dr_willis> cut and pasted straight from the Printing Howto/Wikis :P [07:04] <hondje> College students are stupid :) [07:04] <NekoNeko> great servers :D [07:04] <thoreauputic> faen: oops sudo apt-get install [07:04] <Landy> oh yeah, forgot about Knoppix, that was first [07:04] <NekoNeko> I use knoppix std [07:05] <faen> thoreauputic: i used apt every-so-often with mandrake 10.01 & greater [07:05] <jantan21> what next [07:05] <thoreauputic> faen: OK :) [07:05] <windex> NekoNeko: the box i have running ubuntu, used an old 20gb disk from another box, but otherwise cost $220. it's a 1.6ghz duron with 512mb of ram. :P [07:05] <agentm_> Landy: most other packages install fine...any ideas? [07:05] <Landy> jantan21, what are you trying to do? [07:05] <faen> I went back to urpmi tho [07:05] <faen> just out of habit [07:05] <faen> I guess [07:05] <NekoNeko> lets see... redhat -> mandrake -> redhat -> debian -> suse -> openbsd -> gentoo -> freebsd -> knoppix std -> gentoo [07:05] <thoreauputic> faen: IMO dpkg and apt are the keys to Ubuntu/Debian [07:05] <NekoNeko> my linux cycle ^^ [07:06] <Landy> agentm_, the only thing I can think is that the package you want is in another set of packages. Maybe you need more sources in your apt repositories, not sure [07:06] <IIIEars> windex - had to laugh when UT99 played better on 1.5ghz 384 ram than 2.7 760 ram with windows installed. [07:06] <NekoNeko> getting bf to install linux also and he's a windows user [07:06] <Landy> urpmi was cool [07:06] <faen> I love urpmi [07:06] <faen> it's quick for me [07:06] <NekoNeko> we will not be under the yoke of oppresion that this microsoft propganda machine has created forever! mwhahahaha [07:07] <faen> but i've been using rpm based distros since I started [07:07] <windex> if you've ever administered more than 50 unix machines, apt/aptitude is the way to go. i used to be able to upgrade every machine in our office by scheduling a 5:30 to 7am outage window and usually being done way before 6:30. [07:07] <Landy> NekoNeko, did you move to Linux because the Penguin is cute? :op Only joking, its just amazing how many girl users there are. HAng on, are you a girl? [07:07] <Determinist> any simple way to make xmms play mp3 files? [07:07] <NekoNeko> yes I am [07:07] <NekoNeko> and tux is cute ;) [07:07] <the--dud> the only operative systems I've had for any great lenght on workstations are slackware, debian, freebsd and ubuntu [07:07] <windex> my wife isin't leet enough to use linux. [07:07] <Randall64> That reminds me: I want to see March of the Penguins. [07:07] <IIIEars> windex - Best distributed disk image application? [07:08] <Landy> Determinist, there is a way for fedora by adding another apt repository (or maybe yum) and then installing xmms from there. One second [07:08] <Randall64> My wife is a trained computer professional, which means she doesn't touch a computer at home. [07:08] <the--dud> my sister used linux for a short while, but she wanted games sigh [07:08] <tech> is there any cool games you can recommend me to apt-get? :) [07:08] <NekoNeko> slackware lasted 5 seconds with me before I formated it... [07:08] <thoreauputic> Determinist: set the ouyput plugin to esound [07:08] <jasoncohen> Randall64, i saw it in princeton. it was quite good [07:08] <faen> I decided to check ubuntu out after reading about it a few places, otherwise I prolly would have just gone to some sort of BSD [07:08] <dr_willis> MP3: Due to licensing restrictions, MP3 support couldn't be included by default in Ubuntu. To enable MP3 support you need to install gstreamer0.8-mad which is included in the Universe repository. [07:08] <hondje> I bought my ex a mac because I got tired of having to run apt-get for her [07:08] <faen> net or free, i'm guessing [07:08] <hondje> a couple years of that and it was worth paying Jobs [07:08] <Determinist> Landy, for feora it's yum install xmms-mp3 , but i'm using ubuntu right now :P [07:08] <Determinist> thoreauputic, thanks [07:08] <dr_willis> thats from --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia?highlight=%28multimedia%29 [07:08] <Landy> Determinist, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/114094 [07:08] <tech> the--dud, my sister used linux because she wanted games.. she likes the kde games :) [07:08] <IIIEars> G4U looks interesting - sadly it? BSD. a little intimidating. a lot of new commands to learn [07:08] <NekoNeko> dr_willis gstreamer-mad installed by default on mine >_> [07:08] <the--dud> hehe, those kde games are neat ;) [07:09] <dr_willis> NekoNeko, good for you.. heres a cookie. :P [07:09] <hondje> IIIEars: If linux doesn't cause you headache, BSD won't either [07:09] <NekoNeko> yay cookies :D [07:09] <the--dud> although I myself prefer the bsdgames myself hehe [07:09] <dr_willis> That reminds me.. i need to go get some Groceries. [07:09] <elph0> hi all [07:09] <the--dud> nice cli games <3 [07:09] <hondje> the--dud: atc rocks [07:09] <NekoNeko> bsd is a bit harder to get used to off the bat then linux [07:09] <Randall64> "than" [07:09] <the--dud> well, I use freebsd on all my enterprise servers [07:09] <NekoNeko> shush :P [07:09] <elph0> someone here have this hardware running: Texas [07:09] <elph0> Instruments PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller ? [07:09] <windex> IIIEars: we had a iscsi gfs array and a debian recovery CD w/ gfs support. mount GFS, chroot, format disks, copy directories over and preserve attributes, tweak fstab on new disks to mount the application-specific iscsi gfs partition, install grub, done. [07:10] <Hawkeye> bsd is easy once you install a proper shell and understand how to install ports [07:10] <NekoNeko> ubuntu was a bit hard for me off that bat cuase I was trying to find root.... [07:10] <NekoNeko> didn't read the manual ^^ [07:10] <MarcN_> For some reason I not longer have a background image until I manually start nautilus. What got screwed up? [07:10] <the--dud> freebsd just feel wonderfully right for any servers imho [07:10] <the--dud> secure, fast and most important logical [07:10] <Landy> if anyone is talking to me and I've not replied and they are waiting, pm me as I've lost track now :S [07:10] <hondje> MarcN_: gnome 'should' start nautilus for the desktop, so dunno how you turned that off :) [07:10] <jantan21> i can't Network Printing From WinXP [07:10] <NekoNeko> bsd == no compile time [07:10] <hondje> *BSD is dying [07:10] <NekoNeko> I so wish mosix was 2.6 compatible :( [07:11] <MarcN_> hondje: well, it wasn't intentionally. [07:11] <IIIEars> the--dud - the process "jail"is interesting. - grin [07:11] <Hawkeye> but bsd is such a niche for the desktop. There's no compelling reason whatsoever to run *bsd over a linux based distro the way I see it [07:11] <Landy> jantan21, how do you know its a cups issue and not samba? [07:11] <Hawkeye> mostly due to the lack of updated drivers for hardware [07:11] <NekoNeko> hondje, most data centers give you a choice between, redhat, bsd or windows [07:11] <NekoNeko> so why would you NOT choose bsd [07:11] <dabaR> MarcN_: what are you missing? [07:11] <jantan21> i don't know [07:11] <hondje> Because I prefer debian [07:11] <windex> Hawkeye: freebsd supported using my fasttrak100 as a hardware raid device out of the box. no linux distro i've used does. [07:11] <NekoNeko> lol [07:11] <Landy> Hawkeye, haven't I seen you in the Mandrake irc channel or maybe even #lfd? [07:11] <IIIEars> hondje - possibly still there is gnu/bsd debian apps on an BSD kernel. [07:12] <Hawkeye> why NOT ? For starters, it doesn't support agpgart on my nforce2 for example [07:12] <hondje> Yeah, but not worth it to me [07:12] <NekoNeko> linux for desktop/server bsd for server windows for laughs at human futility and mac for sexy box [07:12] <hondje> I'm lazy, that's why I run ubuntu [07:12] <MarcN_> dabaR: looks like nautilus didn't start on login. If I manually start it (either by nautilus or click to open a folder), no background image. [07:12] <Hawkeye> Landy: doubtful, the last Mandrake I ever installed was the good old mandrake 7.0 [07:12] <hondje> debian for the webserver because I trust it more...apt-get and forget [07:12] <dabaR> you want the background image and your icons? [07:12] <jantan21> /etc/cups/cupsd.conf <<why not access ? [07:12] <faen> Hawkeye: that's what I started on [07:12] <Landy> sure I've seen you around, which forums do you frequent Hawkeye [07:12] <windex> NekoNeko: ubuntu reminds me a lot of os x in the way it behaves. not that it's a bad thing. i just wish i knew how to configure natulus (spelling?) to not close the parent window, cos thats annoying. sometimes. [07:12] <NekoNeko> but isn't debian package system out of date all the time? [07:13] <dabaR> yes|no [07:13] <Hawkeye> I do not frequent any english speaking forums on linux distributions [07:13] <jantan21> pleace help me [07:13] <IIIEars> For a home based server run any OS you like.. - so long as it is run from RAM and a live CD. - lol [07:13] <dabaR> jantan21: tried sudo [07:13] <dabaR> ? [07:13] <Hawkeye> so really, you must be mistaking me for someone else [07:13] <Razor-X> windex: that's because Ubuntu is a Linux distro, therefore UNIX Deviant, OS X is BSD based, therefore UNIX based ;) [07:13] <Landy> Hawkeye, must be someone else then, kill all with your nick :v [07:13] <hondje> windex: yo uwant the parent to stay open? [07:13] <NekoNeko> windex, I can't say much for ubuntu atm since I only used it for an hour yesterday trying to get java on mozilla [07:13] <Razor-X> NekoNeko: Debian potato is out of date... Debian sarge isn't [07:14] <IIIEars> Razor-X - (high fives!) [07:14] <windex> Razor-X: i am aware of that, i am talking about the way its setup to deal with superuser tasks and the layout of the desktop. [07:14] <NekoNeko> difference? [07:14] <elph0> someone could help me? [07:14] <dabaR> MarcN_: are you saying your nautilus opens with no desktop image or icons? [07:14] <Razor-X> NekoNeko: one is supposedly safer than the other [07:14] <NekoNeko> last time I used dabian was a long time ago [07:14] <hondje> windex: run this in a terminal: "gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/nautilus/preferences/no_ubuntu_spatial true" [07:14] <NekoNeko> and we only had one package system and it sucked [07:14] <Razor-X> of course, you _will_ be safer using 4 year old packages [07:14] <jantan21> bash: tried: command not found [07:14] <NekoNeko> don't need safer [07:14] <jasoncohen> NekoNeko, that's easy- all you have to do is sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5 from hoary-extras or make your own deb with java-package [07:14] <Landy> jantan21, do the following ls -l /etc/cups/ and paste the output in a private message to me or in #flood [07:14] <jantan21> bash: tried: command not found <<<warning [07:14] <Razor-X> NekoNeko: Potato has been available probably almost as long as i've been alive [07:14] <NekoNeko> need cutting edge for my games [07:14] <windex> hondje: ill break that eventually. [07:14] <NekoNeko> jasoncohen that failed [07:15] <jasoncohen> NekoNeko, what did? [07:15] <faen> hmm, coming from fluxbox into gnome is quite starling too, how do you update menus in gnome? [07:15] <windex> Razor-X: hahahaha. [07:15] <hondje> windex: just cut and paste it, and it won't change back to closing the parent until you want it to [07:15] <NekoNeko> the sudo one [07:15] <MarcN_> dabaR: I believed that nautilus is started when you log in. When I log in the background is black. If I start nautilus, the background appears. [07:15] <jasoncohen> NekoNeko, well, did you ever add the hoary-extras source? [07:15] <NekoNeko> don't think so [07:15] <Amaranth> faen: They're supposed to update automagically. In reality, most of the time this doesn't work and you need to log out and back in or kill gnome-panel. [07:15] <jasoncohen> so of course it's going to fail [07:15] <NekoNeko> was a base install with bells and whistles [07:15] <HappyFool> Razor-X: I installed ERC 5 -- scrolltobottom mode works perfectly [07:15] <emrys_> Hi there [07:15] <MarcN_> dabaR: so I think nautilus is not starting properly. [07:15] <dabaR> MarcN_: when yuo login, are there icons on the desktop. [07:15] <jasoncohen> NekoNeko, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories [07:15] <Hawkeye> extract the jre from sun's java site to /opt, and place a symlink to the .so file in the plugin directory from mozilla's plugin directory. Presto [07:15] <faen> ahh, k thanks Amaranth [07:15] <refuze2loose> i have an iso file which i mounted, and there's a program that tries to access the cdrom drive and i want it to use the mounted iso file. how can i do this? [07:16] <jasoncohen> NekoNeko, follow the instructions there and then sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5 [07:16] <IIIEars> faen - google amaranth's "smeg"simple menu editor for gnome. [07:16] <MarcN_> dabaR: I forget. Gimme a sec and I'll relogin. [07:16] <NekoNeko> bah let me go grab that laptop [07:16] <dabaR> ok [07:16] <dabaR> second sounds reasonable [07:16] <NekoNeko> crappy 200mhz laptop at that lol [07:16] <emrys_> Can I make a question about evince? [07:16] <hondje> !smeg [07:16] <ubotu> I heard smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports. [07:16] <faen> rgr [07:16] <Amaranth> IIIEars: haha [07:16] <dabaR> ;[ [07:16] <Amaranth> IIIEars: I guess I misunderstood him. [07:16] <windex> Razor-X: actually using really old packages could .. maybe .. be less secure. it might be more stable and predictable (e.g. firefox always crashed X on potato for me when i had more than 3 tabs open and launched a java app), but it's also had several times as much effort into finding bugs in its codebase. [07:17] <MarcN_> dabaR: back. Nothing except chocolate color on the background. [07:17] <IIIEars> Amaranth - ?? - SMEG is great. [07:17] <MarcN_> dabaR: and no nautilus process [07:17] <dabaR> MarcN_: lets try this then, Apps>SystemTools>ConfEditor... [07:18] <Razor-X> back [07:18] <MarcN_> dabaR: yes.. [07:18] <jantan21> bash: flood: command not found [07:18] <Razor-X> HappyFool: ahhh, it's a repos thingie? [07:18] <emrys_> There is some way to print only Odd/Even pages with Evince??? [07:18] <Razor-X> so, now the input bar stays at the bottom? [07:18] <dabaR> MarcN_: apps>nautilus [07:18] <dabaR> Prefs [07:18] <dabaR> Hows your show desktop? [07:19] <HappyFool> Razor-X: nah, from their site (sf.net, i think). put it in ~/.emacs.d/erc, and added that to my load-path [07:19] <MarcN_> dabaR: what should I look for in prefs? [07:19] <Razor-X> HappyFool: exactly, so the repos erc was bad? [07:19] <HappyFool> Razor-X: err [07:19] <dabaR> ^ [07:19] <MarcN_> ah, show desktop is checked. [07:19] <HappyFool> Razor-X: old, not bad [07:19] <MarcN_> dabaR: ah, show desktop is checked. [07:19] <Razor-X> errr, old [07:19] <Razor-X> yeah [07:19] <Razor-X> HappyFool: i'm trying out zsh now [07:19] <HappyFool> what's that? [07:19] <Razor-X> HappyFool: can you package erc and submit it to the maintainers? [07:19] <Hawkeye> a powerful shell [07:20] <Razor-X> it's an alternate shell [07:20] <Razor-X> it's supposed to be powerful [07:20] <nightswim> zsh is nice [07:20] <Hawkeye> the problem is that it doesn't support utf-8 well last time I tried [07:20] <Razor-X> yet, a more apt name is ``The Lazy Man's shell'' [07:20] <Landy> jantan21, in this irc session type /join #flood [07:20] <Razor-X> my Term doesen't support UTF-8 ;) [07:20] <refuze2loose> how can i make a program trying to access my cdrom drive access a mounted iso file instead? it doesn't allow me to choose cdrom dir [07:20] <Hawkeye> you can mimmick most of zsh's behavior through the bash-completion package though [07:20] <Razor-X> Hawkeye: it can do arrays? [07:20] <Hawkeye> bash ? Sure [07:21] <Razor-X> hmmm, never knew that [07:21] <Razor-X> it can't do command editing, AFIAK [07:21] <IIIEars> refuze2loose, cloop command? [07:21] <jantan21> why join flood? [07:21] <Razor-X> Hawkeye: and on utf-8, I believe screen fixes that [07:21] <Hawkeye> no, that vi command editing is nice [07:21] <IIIEars> !pastebin [07:21] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood [07:21] <refuze2loose> IIIEars, you mean mount ..... -o loop ? that's what i did [07:22] <IIIEars> refuze2loose, - Ah - thats it. [07:22] <yonil> anyone experienced with patching the kernel ? [07:22] <Hawkeye> Razor-X: hmm, that might be, never tried it. I don't run UTF-8 regardless though, it's just a pain in the ass with older programs [07:22] <Determinist> how do i restart xorg? [07:22] <refuze2loose> IIIEars, yeah that's what i did from the beginning but it didn't work.. i think it's probably trying to access my cdrom drive through /dev/hdc? [07:23] <emrys_> How can I print only Odd/Even pages with Evince? It seems that the Gnome PFD readers don't have this option... ?? [07:23] <thoreauputic> Determinist: ctrl-alt-backspace [07:23] <Hawkeye> hah [07:23] <yonil> I've patched the kernel, got a new vmlinuz-2.6.10 file, but i dont know how do i get an initrd file .. anyone ? [07:23] <Randall64> yonil: I use kernel-package to do it ... [07:23] <HappyFool> yonil: does the kernel howto not cover this? [07:24] <Razor-X> also, zsh's subshell behavior is awesome [07:24] <elph0> Someone know what module i can use for Texas Instruments PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller ? [07:24] <Razor-X> like I said before, even if you use emacs, screen underneath is a godsend [07:24] <IIIEars> mkdir /mnt/test && mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /mnt/test ? [07:24] <MarcN_> dabaR: Hmm. I started nautilus, then logged out making sure to 'save settings' and now nautilus starts on login. Does gnome cache something? I usually finish using the laptop by pressing the off button (which causes a shutdown now) [07:25] <sorush20> what does fi stand for.. [07:25] <dr_willis> ends an IF clause [07:25] <dr_willis> if -> fi [07:25] <Determinist> what's backports? [07:25] <yonil> HappyFool, which kernel howto ? [07:25] <HappyFool> !kernelhowto [07:25] <ubotu> well, kernelhowto is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto [07:25] <HappyFool> yonil: that one ;) [07:25] <IIIEars> erm "/media/test - sheesh. - a nap sounds awfully good right now. [07:25] <yonil> :P [07:25] <dabaR> no idea [07:26] <dabaR> good work. [07:26] <roberto> where is mkfontdir in breezy ? [07:26] <IIIEars> G'nite! :) [07:26] <Randall64> It is about nap-thirty. [07:27] <tulio> hello. if I have installed LILO, how can I do to use dual boot to start WinXP? [07:27] <sorush20> guys I keep getting this error when I try to install KDAR [07:27] <sorush20> I've pasted it into flood... can someone help please... it happenes when I mak efile.. [07:28] <yonil> HappyFool, bhaa I haven't done anything like what's described in that tutorial ... [07:29] <HappyFool> sorush20: i'll take a look, if you paste it again [07:29] <jasoncohen> NekoNeko, did you get java installed? [07:29] <elph0> netsplit? [07:30] <sorush20> tanks happyfool... your always in here helping people.... [07:30] <NekoNeko> jasoncohen not yet [07:30] <NekoNeko> I keep using the wrong keyboard lol [07:30] <sorush20> Three chears for happyfool... [07:30] <sorush20> hip hip.. horay... [07:30] <sorush20> hip hip.. horay... [07:30] <sorush20> hip hip.. horay... [07:30] <HappyFool> sorush20: scariesh error [07:30] <HappyFool> oh, i'm blushing :P [07:30] <jantan21> hallow can u help me [07:31] <procrastinator> hi guys [07:31] <sorush20> happy fool.. what was the problem... [07:31] <NekoNeko> it's the whole thing where you copy and paste and relize your mouse doesn't move from one machine to the other >_> [07:31] <sorush20> happyfool.. what do you mean scariesh error. [07:31] <procrastinator> Is it possible to configure beep mp to use esd? (without esddsp) [07:31] <HappyFool> sorush20: i mean i haven't seen an error like that before [07:32] <sorush20> happy fool... should IM you all the errors.. [07:32] <PrimoTurbo_> Does anyone know how I can get the cd player to work? [07:32] <emrys_> Someone can help me please? [07:32] <PrimoTurbo_> I can play ogg files but I can't seem to play cds [07:32] <HappyFool> sorush20: 1 possibility is that you're missing a library; another is that the program is buggy [07:33] <HappyFool> sorush20: what's the kdar homepage? where'd you get the source? [07:34] <PrimoTurbo_> I also tried Totem and it give me an error when I try playing a cd [07:34] <PrimoTurbo_> Totem could not play 'cdda://'. [07:34] <PrimoTurbo_> Could not open resource for writing. [07:34] <sorush20> Happyfool, but I don't know how to obtain the library... the only way is by installing the here is the home pagehttp://kdar.sourceforge.net/... [07:34] <PrimoTurbo_> Any idea why? [07:35] <jantan21> NetworkPrintingFromWinXP <<< help me [07:35] <HappyFool> sorush20: have you installed libdar-dev ? [07:35] <jasoncohen> NekoNeko, got it working i see? [07:35] <PrimoTurbo_> I have 2 cd drives and it doesn't for any of them, but I can rip the music into ogg to listen to it [07:35] <NekoNeko> so far [07:35] <NekoNeko> ^^ [07:36] <black13> what does the xorg error (EE) Failed to load module "bitmap" (module does not exist, 0) mean ? [07:36] <NekoNeko> last time it just died on me when I tried without that sources.list change [07:36] <needlz> hi can anyone tell me where i can get jpeglib.h? im trying to install enlightenment on ubuntu 5.04 [07:36] <NekoNeko> can I use the built in gui now to get the same package list? [07:37] <HappyFool> needlz: probably the libjpeg62-dev package [07:37] <Randall64> needlz: apt-get installl apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search jpeglib.h [07:37] <PrimoTurbo_> Does anyone else ever had cd player problems, not being able to play audio cds [07:37] <needlz> HappyFool: i got the libjpeg6 package...di you think i should try the dev version? [07:38] <HappyFool> needlz: yeah, header files and build libraries are almost always in -dev packages [07:38] <sorush20> happyfool, yes I have... I have version.. 2.5.1 and I'm just going to reinstall it.. [07:38] <sorush20> happyfool, should I run the make again.. [07:38] <HappyFool> sorush20: you mean 2.1.5 ? [07:38] <needlz> ok thank you very much HappyFool [07:38] <HappyFool> sorush20: ah [07:38] <witless> i've commented out the ipv6 line in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases, renamed ipv6.ko, run update-modules, rebooted - and networking is still ridiculously slow... any suggestions? [07:38] <testing> hello my friends [07:39] <HappyFool> sorush20: you need libdar 3.0.0 [07:39] <sorush20> what.. where does it say that... [07:39] <HappyFool> sorush20: so if you want this to work, you'll need to install libdar from source [07:39] <HappyFool> sorush20: bit of a pain [07:39] <HappyFool> sorush20: on the kdar doc page -- stand by [07:39] <testing> does anybody know what C compiler i should use with Ubuntu ? [07:39] <HappyFool> sorush20: http://kdar.sourceforge.net/kdar-html-docs/requirements.html [07:39] <HappyFool> testing: gcc [07:39] <HappyFool> testing: installed the 'build-essential' package [07:40] <testing> ok, thank you [07:40] <testing> i used gcc with fedora before and it worked fine [07:40] <PrimoTurbo_> test [07:40] <PrimoTurbo> forgot I had another one open [07:40] <thechitowncubss> How can I repair my ext3 filesystem? It failed on the automatic check. [07:41] <HappyFool> PrimoTurbo: mine cd player worked without fiddling [07:41] <HappyFool> PrimoTurbo: how are you trying to play the cds ? [07:42] <PrimoTurbo> putting them into the drive [07:42] <PrimoTurbo> then opening cd player and trying to play it [07:42] <PrimoTurbo> i tried switching cd drives also doesn't work [07:42] <HappyFool> you have two drives? [07:43] <PrimoTurbo> yeah [07:43] <PrimoTurbo> I tried both [07:43] <PrimoTurbo> and tried switching the settings [07:43] <PrimoTurbo> because u need to do it if u want to use the second one [07:43] <highvoltage> quick #ubuntu poll: what's a nice, light x-terminal emulator? [07:43] <nightswim> aterm [07:43] <MarcN> highvoltage: xterm? [07:43] <Landy> anyone know how to get the ubuntu kernel source using apt? [07:43] <nightswim> aterm is lighter [07:44] <thechitowncubss> !ext3 [07:44] <ubotu> No idea, thechitowncubss [07:44] <HappyFool> Landy: maybe the kernel howto will tell you [07:44] <HappyFool> !kernelhowto [07:44] <ubotu> kernelhowto is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto [07:44] <Landy> maybe it will [07:44] <auk> hehe, stupid bot [07:44] <Landy> cheers [07:44] <testing> anybody know how can i make the background of my teminal transparent in ubuntu ? [07:44] <auk> !fs [07:44] <ubotu> auk: No idea [07:44] <highvoltage> MarcN: can I copy and paste from xterm to firefox? [07:44] <HappyFool> PrimoTurbo: hmm. is either drive directly connected to the sound card? [07:44] <hondje> testing: right click, edit current profile [07:44] <MarcN> highvoltage: xterm is the granddaddy of all terminal emulators. [07:44] <testing> ok [07:45] <testing> thank you hondje [07:45] <hondje> you're welcome [07:45] <MarcN> (and xterm has the look-n-feel to prove it) [07:45] <PrimoTurbo> Yeah they both are connected [07:45] <PrimoTurbo> they work in windows and other linux [07:45] <HappyFool> PrimoTurbo: i'm not helluva sure how cd player handles two cd-drives [07:45] <highvoltage> MarcN: yes, i'm using xterm at the moment, but i cant copy and paste from it, so i want something that has a bit more features. [07:46] <PrimoTurbo> I know they are setup fine because I don't have problem with the cd player on other linux distros and on windows [07:46] <PrimoTurbo> i'll try a retail cd just to be sure [07:46] <PrimoTurbo> cause I've tried 3 burnt ones so far [07:46] <testing> thank you everybody [07:46] <HappyFool> PrimoTurbo: ok, have you tried clicking on the little 'toolbox' icon in cd player, and chaning the device setting there? [07:46] <PrimoTurbo> yes I have [07:46] <kevin_> Can someone help me fix my wireless mouse ?:o) [07:47] <kevin_> its got a mind of its own in ubuntu!:D [07:47] <HappyFool> PrimoTurbo: ok, what happens when you press play? [07:47] <MarcN> highvoltage: select something, then use MB-2 to paste it. [07:47] <PrimoTurbo> nothing happens [07:47] <jantan21> help pleace ? [07:47] <jantan21> :( [07:47] <black13> what does the xorg error (EE) Failed to load module "bitmap" (module does not exist, 0) mean ? [07:47] <PrimoTurbo> nothing moves it just goes from pause button to play button again [07:47] <admin_> hi [07:47] <PrimoTurbo> no error or anything [07:47] <jantan21> any body help me [07:47] <kevin_> jantan21, with ?:D [07:47] <HappyFool> PrimoTurbo: hmm, so it's not a sound volume thing [07:48] <tulio> hello. I have installed lilo, but I want to use grub, How can I use it? It is because I nedd dual boot. Thanks [07:48] <mebaran> hey [07:48] <mebaran> could anyone help me with an alsa problem [07:48] <jantan21> NetworkPrintingFromWinXP ?? [07:48] <mebaran> my alsa modules are loaded [07:48] <black13> grub makes a better dual boot [07:48] <PrimoTurbo> yeah it's not [07:48] <jantan21> kevin : NetworkPrintingFromWinXP ?? [07:48] <mebaran> but they dont make the /dev/dsp [07:48] <HappyFool> PrimoTurbo: i'm running out of ideas. you can maybe look in /var/log/dmesg to see if the kernel is complaining about something, but i'm guessing it's something at a higher level [07:48] <kevin_> dunno Jantan21 not got a xp box running :s [07:49] <kevin_> try google ?:) [07:49] <mebaran> what can I do [07:49] <sophtpaw> does anyone know if one can run ubuntu directly on the new mac mini? [07:49] <mebaran> amixer complains of an invalid card number [07:49] <Randall64> mebaran: even the alsa oss modules are loaded? [07:50] <mebaran> Randall64, yep [07:50] <DekaPink> Daaaamn it. Now 3D works, but I can't open video files. --; [07:50] <Randall64> alsa continues to suck [07:50] <birratix> hi [07:50] <mebaran> snd_pcm_oss is loaded [07:50] <PrimoTurbo> KsCD plays the cd but I have no sound and Tottem gives me an error [07:50] <jantan21> dunno Jantan21 not got a xp box running :s <<< what u mind ? [07:50] <PrimoTurbo> someone is suggesting to try gstreamer [07:50] <mebaran> I think I am going to move to gentoo ... argh [07:51] <tulio> how can i configure lilio to use dual boot? [07:51] <Randall64> ugh, lilo [07:51] <Kamzi> tulio: don't you have grub installed ? [07:51] <HappyFool> tulio: isn't there an /etc/lilo.conf ? [07:51] <binky> 'lilio'? [07:51] <HappyFool> tulio: maybe 'man lilo' or 'man lilo.conf' will tell you more [07:51] <Randall64> Also, use grub. [07:52] <kevin_> Can someone help me fix my wireless mouse ?:o) [07:52] <Kamzi> binky: lilo stand for linuc loader it is what loads your operating system [07:52] <postmodern> where can i find all the updates for Hoary alone [07:52] <Butterfly> .geeknode.org [07:52] <Kamzi> use synatic [07:53] <binky> i know, i just liked the way it was mis-spelt!!! [07:53] <DekaPink> mplayer doesn't love me anymore. [07:53] <wdh> Kamzi, having problems typing? [07:53] <wdh> :P [07:53] <HappyFool> postmodern: do you want to install the updates, or do something else? [07:53] <Kamzi> wdh: don't know what you could possibly mean :-) [07:54] <binky> lol [07:54] <postmodern> HappyFool, I want to burn them onto a cdrom [07:54] <nelsongs> can somebody please help me? [07:54] <PrimoTurbo> how do I install gstreamer from terminal [07:54] <nelsongs> i just installed ubuntu on my hp laptop [07:54] <kevin_> apt-get install blah ?:/ [07:54] <nelsongs> dv4000 [07:54] <Randall64> Primo: man apt-get [07:54] <PrimoTurbo> k [07:54] <nelsongs> but there's no display [07:55] <kevin_> apt-get install gstreamer [07:55] <PrimoTurbo> k thnx [07:55] <Randall64> nelsongs: no console either? [07:55] <PrimoTurbo> I need sudo too right? [07:55] <nelsongs> there's a console [07:55] <nelsongs> coz i could hear the drums [07:55] <Kamzi> primo: yeah [07:55] <Randall64> nelsongs: login and look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors [07:55] <HappyFool> PrimoTurbo: i imagine some parts of gstreamer are already installed -- e.g., it's needed by 'music player' [07:55] <znh> can someone confirm this cron deamon as a working one: 29 20 * * * init 0 [07:55] <cs378> ahhhh [07:55] <kevin_> Can any one help me with my wireless mouse >:D [07:56] <cs378> what kind of compile i need to install in order to install build essential [07:56] <HappyFool> znh: should run 'init 0' at 20h29 every day [07:56] <binky> reconnect the wires....sorry could not resist!!! [07:56] <Belutz> how do see webpages that don't support firefox ?? [07:57] <znh> HappyFool: the minutes start from 0 [07:57] <gcolpart> I have this error when I use totem-gstreamer : "GStreamer-ERROR **: file gsturi.c: line 427 (search_by_entry): assertion failed: (protocols)" [07:57] <toad3030> can someone pls help me install cedega? [07:57] <Randall64> Belutz: Install the user agent extension to fool the stupid sites. [07:57] <znh> HappyFool: but are cron's done by a root user? [07:57] <gcolpart> It crashes totem... [07:57] <Belutz> Randall64: ok... [07:57] <HappyFool> znh: only root's, afaik [07:57] <gcolpart> Any idea ? :) [07:57] <HappyFool> znh: not following that 'minutes start from zero' comment [07:58] <nelsongs> Randall1164: what specific error should i look into? [07:58] <zerboxx> I want to perminantly do "hdparm -d1 /dev/hda" how do I go about doing this? [07:58] <znh> HappyFool: well you say should run 'init 0' at 20h29 every day, should be 19h30 - because the numbers are in a range of 0-29 for the minutes, and 0-23 for the hours [07:58] <Randall64> nelsongs: You'll really have to look at all of them for clues. [07:58] <PrimoTurbo> well gstream is not a package? [07:59] <MrGardenHoseMan> what's the nero like burning program called [07:59] <PrimoTurbo> gstreamer* [07:59] <HappyFool> znh: 0 to 59 for minutes, says my copy of 'man 5 crontab' [07:59] <MrGardenHoseMan> keep forgetting [07:59] <MrGardenHoseMan> k** [07:59] <HappyFool> znh: and minutes are naturally 0 to 59 ;) [07:59] <znh> HappyFool: oh doh, yea - xD [07:59] <nelsongs> Randall1164: my laptop has 915 chipset [07:59] <znh> HappyFool: I didn't smoke, really.. :-P [08:00] <binky> maybe you should!!! [08:00] <znh> i did five minutes ago ;-) [08:00] <zerboxx> Belutz: Did you get it? (user agent switcher) [08:00] <binky> lol....need another one!!! [08:00] <HappyFool> PrimoTurbo: gstreamer is a library, not really an app [08:00] <znh> HappyFool: to be seriouse again, then it should be 29 19 * * * /sbin/init 0 right? [08:01] <PrimoTurbo> I know it's not an app [08:01] <witless> i've commented out the ipv6 line in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases, renamed ipv6.ko, run update-modules, rebooted - and networking is still ridiculously slow... any suggestions? [08:01] <DekaPink> Rawr. [08:01] <PrimoTurbo> I know HappyFool [08:01] <DekaPink> totem and mplayer have stopped working. :3 [08:01] <znh> DekaPink: VLC is the answer! [08:01] <MrGardenHoseMan> vlc > * [08:01] <Belutz> zerboxx: yup... just installed it... but still can use the webpages... i think they created using some scripts that only supports IE [08:02] <znh> MrGardenHoseMan: :-) [08:02] <zerboxx> ah [08:02] <Kamzi> dekapink: what do you mean stopped working ? [08:02] <HappyFool> znh: will run at 19h29 -- i don't know what 'init 0' does [08:02] <nelsongs> Randall1164: ?? [08:02] <Belutz> zerboxx: any other solution? [08:02] <HappyFool> znh: you can test by putting in something like 'ls' there -- it will mail you the output of the command [08:02] <znh> HappyFool: it's like shutting down :-D [08:02] <DekaPink> Kamzi: Well, totem says it can't start up because a resource is busy or unavailable, and mplayer freezes when I try to open things with it. [08:02] <zerboxx> Belutz: No, that's the only one I know of [08:02] <HappyFool> znh: isn't that telinit? same thing? [08:02] <holycow> Belutz how do see webpages that don't support firefox ?? <-- that should actually say 'how do you read webpages that don't support web standards' [08:02] <holycow> :) [08:03] <Belutz> zerboxx: or i MUST switch to my lousy windows? [08:03] <MrGardenHoseMan> znh: yeah, totem and mplayer both are just missing something [08:03] <znh> HappyFool: didn't knew that exist.. this is #ubuntu right :-/ ? [08:03] <zerboxx> Belutz: *shudder* it may appear as such [08:03] <tulio> it seems lilo detected windows, but it doesnt allow me to choose which OS boot [08:03] <HappyFool> znh: yip [08:03] <HappyFool> znh: telinit is just another name for init, afaik [08:03] <Belutz> holycow: well the webpages told me i MUST use IE, and i can't use IE in linux [08:03] <DekaPink> It happened after I did http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495 and http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=206829&postcount=87 [08:03] <HappyFool> znh: see 'man telinit' [08:03] <Kamzi> DekaPink: i: well being the n00b i am i can only suggest updating everything , and reporting the error on bug zilla and maybe trying realplayer [08:04] <Belutz> damn webpages!! [08:04] <sorush20> happyfool.. now I'm trying to install DAR so that I can get the libdar 3.0.0, but I'm trying to compile and install DAR 2.2.2, and now I keep getting this error when I do make.. and help? [08:04] <HappyFool> sorush20: wouldn't you need dar 3.0.0, not 2.2.2 ? [08:04] <Brian_Boruma> ok i just installed wing commander privateer [08:04] <znh> HappyFool: oh yes, init is the same [08:04] <Brian_Boruma> it hink [08:05] <HappyFool> sorush20: also, uninstall the ubuntu version first [08:05] <PrimoTurbo> I got gstreamer0.8-plugins but it doesn't help [08:05] <Brian_Boruma> where did it install to [08:05] <Brian_Boruma> it was a .run file [08:05] <PrimoTurbo> the cd player tells me which cd I have and the songs but it doesn't play them [08:05] <Brian_Boruma> used the sh whatever.run [08:05] <znh> sorush20: you can use the tab button instead of typing the whole name, it's really worth trying ;-) [08:05] <djp> Belutz: complain to the administrator of the web site. isn't there a way with firefox to make it appear to be an ie browser when you visit a site? [08:05] <znh> djp: you mean by changing the user agent? [08:06] <nelsongs> help anyone? [08:06] <djp> znh: yes. that's it. [08:06] <sorush20> l;kjf [08:06] <znh> djp: there's a cute extension for it, you might want to check that one [08:06] <nelsongs> couldn't see anything when i installed ubuntu on my laptop [08:06] <djp> Belutz: check out znh's comments [08:06] <elph0> happy day to all sysadms here :) www.sysadminday.com [08:06] <znh> nelsongs: define anything [08:06] <djp> cheers znh [08:07] <Belutz> djp: ok [08:07] <znh> djp: no problem ;-) [08:07] <DekaPink> How do I make VLC my default media player? xD [08:07] <nelsongs> znh: i have an hp dv4000 notebook [08:07] <znh> DekaPink: default of what? [08:07] <Belutz> hmmm another problem [08:07] <sorush20> znh, what do you mean tab button... and happy fool.. when reading th einstructions on KDAR , it says that libdar 3.0.0 can be derived from the installation of Dar 2.2.2, which is what I'm trying to do and its going wrong... [08:07] <nelsongs> znh: intel 915GMhipset [08:07] <Randall64> Belutz: What did you make your User Agent string? [08:07] <DekaPink> znh: Uh... media files? :P [08:07] <znh> nelsongs: hm.. when did you see nothing? after you installed ? [08:07] <HappyFool> sorush20: ok [08:07] <nelsongs> znh: i can't see anything [08:07] <Belutz> when i use terminal server client in fullscreen, how do i switch between the remote comp and local comp? [08:07] <HappyFool> sorush20: have you uninstalled the ubuntu version of dar? [08:07] <nelsongs> znh: though i can hear the drums [08:07] <znh> DekaPink: well in nautilus you can set a default player for e.g. mpg files [08:08] <znh> nelsongs: could you see the installation process? [08:08] <sorush20> happyfool, I'll do that now.. [08:08] <nelsongs> znh: yes. and it went well [08:08] <Belutz> Randall64: i just select the IE 6 in the option [08:08] <znh> nelsongs: ok, then I fully understand, I think the default resolution is too high for your laptop screen [08:08] <Belutz> Randall64: actually i could read the website, but can't click anything... because the script only supports IE? [08:09] <znh> nelsongs: can you boot up your laptop, so we might be able to fix it? [08:09] <nelsongs> yes [08:09] <Randall64> Belutz: sounds likely [08:09] <nelsongs> znh: actually, i'm using the console [08:09] <znh> nelsongs: ah you found the console, nice nice nice [08:09] <nelsongs> znh: well, not in this irc [08:09] <Belutz> Randall64: ic... [08:09] <nelsongs> znh: but beside me. heheh [08:10] <znh> nelsongs: Ok, lets open the X.org configuration - it's located in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf - you can open it by typing nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf - If you didn't knew already [08:10] <zerboxx> Some help please: I want to perminantly do "hdparm -d1 /dev/hda" how do I go about doing this? [08:10] <Belutz> so? how do i switch between remote comp and local comp in terminal server client when using fulscreen option? [08:10] <postmodern> so where can i download all the Ubuntu updates for Hoary? [08:10] <nelsongs> znh: okay, i opened it [08:11] <HappyFool> zerboxx: you can edit /etc/hdparm.conf [08:11] <znh> nelsongs: good, press ctrl+w [08:11] <HappyFool> zerboxx: take a look at that file and see if you can figure it out [08:11] <zerboxx> HappyFool: When I look in there, it's already set up, but everything has a # beside it, so should I remove it? [08:11] <znh> nelsongs: typ: modes, and hit enter - repeat this twice [08:11] <tucoz> Hi, I can't start my laptop in with acpi. It crashes on boot. The isssue started after a update with synaptic. [08:11] <HappyFool> zerboxx: the '#' at the beginning means that the line is a comment, i.e., is ignored [08:11] <kemik> postmodern: add the hoary repoistories in your sources.list and do "apt-get update" "apt-get dist-upgrade" [08:12] <zerboxx> HappyFool: So should I remove all the #'s around anything to do with /dev/hda? [08:12] <nelsongs> znh: okay, what's next? [08:12] <HappyFool> postmodern: the easiest way it to use the update tools provided with ubuntu (e.g., apt-get) -- this assumes the computer running hoary is connected to the net [08:12] <tucoz> I thought that maybe a kernel upgrade could work. What do you think? [08:12] <HappyFool> zerboxx: i'm not sure [08:12] <zerboxx> HappyFool: :D [08:12] <znh> nelsongs: have you got your cursor near Modes now? [08:12] <HappyFool> zerboxx: stand by [08:12] <jasoncohen> why does nmap show ports that are not being used (not being used and blocked by external router) as filtered? nmap localhost on the local machine doesn't show the ports at all. i only see it from outside [08:12] <zerboxx> sure thing [08:13] <nelsongs> znh: yeah [08:13] <nelsongs> znh: section screen, right? [08:13] <znh> nelsongs: wee, alright do you know some laptop screen specifications of yours? [08:13] <levander> Anybody has gotten any bugs fixed by posting to launchpad? [08:13] <HappyFool> zerboxx: towards the ends is a line '/dev/hda {' [08:13] <nelsongs> znh: it's a widescreen 15.4" [08:13] <HappyFool> zerboxx: then some mult_sect_io and write_cache stuff [08:13] <zerboxx> HappyFool: *nodnod* should I remove the #s beside that and all the things under that? [08:13] <postmodern> kemik, HappyFool I want to download them on my non-ubuntu system and burn them to a cdrom [08:13] <HappyFool> zerboxx: and then 'dma = on' [08:14] <znh> nelsongs: Ok, so the maximum resolution should be 1024x786 or 800x600 right? [08:14] <cs378> how do i know which source to install? the 2.6.10 or 2.6.11? [08:14] <HappyFool> zerboxx: more or less [08:14] <cs378> linux source [08:14] <nelsongs> znh: hp brightview. well, when windows was installed here, it was just a plug and play monitor [08:14] <PrimoTurbo> well guess what [08:14] <HappyFool> zerboxx: i'd leave the mult_sect_io and write_cache stuff commented out [08:14] <PrimoTurbo> works perfect under gnome [08:14] <PrimoTurbo> stupid kde [08:14] <tucoz> cs378: uname -r [08:14] <znh> nelsongs: same here, just a resolution ;) [08:14] <postmodern> HappyFool, kemik how would i do this, do you have the url for the repository of Hoary [08:14] <HappyFool> zerboxx: uncomment the '/dev/hda' '{', 'dma = on' and '}' lines [08:14] <nelsongs> znh: oh okay :D [08:14] <sorush20> Now I keep getting these errors.. [08:14] <tulio> somebody can helpme with a dual boot? [08:14] <cs378> tucoz: so waever version i got,install that version? [08:15] <HappyFool> postmodern: http://archive.ubuntu.com [08:15] <znh> nelsongs: in that section screen, what is the default Dept? [08:15] <tucoz> cs378: makes sence. [08:15] <HappyFool> postmodern: however, it is not very easy to do what you want [08:15] <nelsongs> znh: 24 [08:15] <HappyFool> postmodern: and if your machine isn't connected to the net, maybe security updates aren't all the important anyway [08:15] <zerboxx> HappyFool: Ok, thanks for your help. I'll test it out now [08:15] <seterom> alguien habla espaol? [08:15] <znh> nelsongs: change that to 16 [08:15] <cs378> tucoz: duh, then ill have to uninstall linux-source-2.6.11, thx [08:15] <nelsongs> znh: okay, next? [08:15] <tucoz> hehe, np [08:16] <DekaPink> VLC works... Guess I'll use it. :3 [08:16] <HappyFool> sorush20: would you mind pasting the errors to a pastebin (not #flood) ? [08:16] <tulio> I donnt want to damage ubuntu partition, but I need to fix the mbr, because i have to boot windows....please some body helpme [08:16] <znh> nelsongs: go down with your cursor to SubSection "Display", where Dept 16 is located [08:16] <cs378> tucoz: or can i just leave linux-source-2.6.11 n install linux-source-2.6.10 [08:16] <HappyFool> sorush20: e.g., http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl [08:16] <cs378> leave it there [08:16] <nelsongs> znh: okay [08:17] <PrimoTurbo> How can I uninstall Kubuntu and all the files it installed? [08:17] <znh> nelsongs: now, replace that Modes line with this mode line: Modes<tab>"640x480" "800x600" [08:17] <tucoz> cs378, I think that it doesn't matter [08:17] <sorush20> happyfool, I've put the new error into the pastebin... have a look please.. [08:18] <cs378> tucoz: oh ok, thx [08:18] <Brian_Boruma> ok so where does this .run file install to [08:18] <Randall64> Primo: Delete the partitions. [08:18] <sorush20> happyfool its only part of the error.. [08:18] <Brian_Boruma> or how can i verify that it did install [08:18] <nelsongs> znh: just two modes? so i have to delete the 1024x768 mode? [08:19] <znh> nelsongs: just two modes, if there are more working we can always add more ;-) [08:19] <nelsongs> znh: oh i see, so the highest resolution would be 800x600 if it works? [08:19] <znh> nelsongs: yes indeed [08:19] <nelsongs> znh: okay, so what's next? [08:19] <Brian_Boruma> i am installing privateer remake1.0 [08:20] <Brian_Boruma> it is running through an install phase [08:20] <znh> nelsongs: exit the editor by pressing ctrl+x, don't forget to save it [08:20] <Brian_Boruma> well it is uncompressing right now [08:20] <Brian_Boruma> bunch of little dots in a window [08:20] <nelsongs> znh: okay, so, what's next? reboot? [08:20] <Brian_Boruma> it hink its just a progress indicator [08:20] <znh> nelsongs: No!! [08:20] <tucoz> hmm, how can I tell at what resolution I am running at? I just want to confirm the xorg-settings [08:20] <znh> nelsongs: in linux you never would have to reboot :D [08:20] <bob2> xdpyinfo [08:20] <bob2> xrandr [08:21] <nelsongs> znh: okay, hehe. don't worry, i'm still waiting for you [08:21] <nelsongs> eheh [08:21] <bob2> X logs [08:21] <bob2> xvidtune [08:21] <znh> nelsongs: are you logged in as a normal user? [08:21] <postmodern> HappyFool, so where in there is only the Hoary files [08:21] <nelsongs> znh: yeah, but used sudo to edit xorg.conf [08:21] <HappyFool> sorush20: stand by [08:21] <znh> nelsongs: okay, great - start the graphical X server we just edited with 'startx' [08:21] <Randall64> no libc6 in the official backports :( [08:22] <bob2> er [08:22] <sorush20> Happyfool, thanks... [08:22] <bob2> why on earth would you want a backported libc6? [08:22] <Randall64> Has anyone ever been able to upgrade to breezy? [08:22] <nelsongs> znh: but it has been started. i just used the ctrl-alt-f key to use the console [08:22] <Randall64> bob2: amd64 bug is fixed in 2.3.50 [08:22] <Randall64> s/.$// [08:22] <bob2> upgrading to breezy is fine, except X doesn't start [08:22] <HappyFool> sorush20: that looks like a successful build to me [08:23] <znh> nelsongs: so.. it already worked :- [08:23] <Randall64> upgrading failed yesterday on (strangely enough) libc6. [08:23] <tech> after i unstalled nvidia-glx ubuntu package, and installed the binary nvidia.com driver, xorg doesnt start.. i get skipping libfb.a:fbmmx.o no symbols found.. [08:23] <zerboxx> HappyFool: It worked perfectly, thanks again [08:23] <HappyFool> zerboxx: no problem [08:23] <bob2> tech: what was wrong with the ubuntu drivers? [08:23] <nelsongs> znh: forgot, how do i exit from this console? [08:24] <znh> nelsongs: press the following buttons ctrl+alt+backspace [08:24] <sorush20> Happyfool... really... so should I just make install... now [08:24] <Brian_Boruma> it say error while loading shared object file no such file exists press return to close window [08:24] <Brian_Boruma> anyone ever seen this? [08:24] <HappyFool> postmodern: if you *really* want the package list, you can start here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 [08:24] <HappyFool> postmodern: also 'restricted' where 'main' is there [08:24] <HappyFool> postmodern: however, you'll need to be a moderate apt-guru to figure all that out [08:25] <tech> bob2: it is an old version, in the newer ones nvidia has fixed many crappy bugs :) my problem is that my Xorg was locking up and taking 100% cpu.. tried to upgrade to the latest [08:25] <HappyFool> sorush20: yeah, go for it [08:25] <HappyFool> sorush20: there's something called 'checkinstall' you might find useful for this [08:25] <nelsongs> znh: startx error, couldn't start because there's one running already [08:25] <HappyFool> sorush20: will let you uninstall relatively easily, i believe [08:25] <thechitowncubss> My computer just completely locked up, no CTRL+ALT+BKSP or CTRL+F2, nothing worked, what do you guys do in those situations? [08:25] <sorush20> okay.. thanks.. [08:25] <znh> nelsongs: shutdown the current one by pressing ctrl+alt+backspace [08:25] <tech> thechitowncubss: you ssh to the machine and killall -9 Xorg, if you cant do taht you need to hard reboot [08:26] <sorush20> Happyfool, are just practicing you skills... here.. [08:26] <HappyFool> thechitowncubss: sometimes one can ssh into the machine -- not sure if this applies in your case [08:26] <Razor-X> HappyFool: you should really try zsh [08:26] <wrath> hello [08:26] <mrson> alguien q me ayude [08:26] <Razor-X> mrson: #ubuntu-es [08:26] <thechitowncubss> ya, usually i just restart it but everytime it happens it pisses me off and i just hit the restart button :) [08:26] <McScruff> How Do you run .jar files [08:26] <Randall64> java -jar foo.jar [08:26] <Brian_Boruma> ok my turn [08:26] <Razor-X> McScruff: with the program ``java'' [08:26] <Brian_Boruma> it say error while loading shared object file no such file exists press return to close window [08:26] <Brian_Boruma> ok my turn [08:27] <Brian_Boruma> anyone ever seen this? [08:27] <Razor-X> ``my turn''? [08:27] <Brian_Boruma> i get that during mid uncompression of .run file [08:27] <Razor-X> Brian_Boruma: probably the object file it's looking for doesen't exist [08:27] <nelsongs> znh: didn't work [08:27] <znh> nelsongs: what happend after you pressed the buttons? [08:28] <tech> bob2: do you know why i get this no symbols error? [08:28] <Brian_Boruma> well it went through its "verifying integrity" phase [08:28] <Razor-X> Brian_Boruma: what is the script of? [08:28] <Brian_Boruma> it completed, then during uncompression said that [08:28] <Razor-X> hmmm, so far, I have 207,835 lines of logs of this channel [08:28] <nelsongs> znh: nothing, displays the console for 1 sec, then no display [08:28] <Brian_Boruma> its privateer wingcommader remake 1.0 :/ [08:28] <wrath> hi, i have a Dell dimension xps gen 3, and i'm trying to get the ubuntu live cd to load up at boot but it keeps hanging during the process. any clues as to what this may be?? [08:28] <Brian_Boruma> :) [08:28] <nelsongs> znh: same as before we started [08:29] <Brian_Boruma> doesnt anyone play games here??!!! [08:29] <Brian_Boruma> damn [08:29] <dr_willis> wrath, may want to try the 'noapci' and 'noapic' options [08:29] <tulio> please, some body can tell me how can I install grub? [08:29] <dr_willis> Brian_Boruma, we are too busy helping people. :P [08:30] <wrath> dr willis, i did [08:30] <Razor-X> Brian_Boruma: not sure why, you can try filing a bug [08:30] <nelsongs> znh: still the same :( [08:30] <Randall64> bob2: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11730 [08:30] <Razor-X> I play games every so often, only when my mind numbs with helping/shell scripting/programming [08:30] <Brian_Boruma> ok [08:30] <wrath> except i typed it in after it was hung up [08:30] <Razor-X> or, I want to play ToS, but taht's not a computer game ;) [08:30] <Razor-X> s/taht/that/ [08:30] <Brian_Boruma> thank you [08:31] <dr_willis> wrath, give the kernel boot options 'noapci' and/or 'noapic' in the grub boot menus. [08:31] <wrath> k, i'm very new, but i'll take a look [08:31] <Razor-X> dr_willis: what are the differences between the two, by the way? [08:31] <Razor-X> are apci and apic different protocls? [08:31] <Razor-X> s/protocls/protocols/ [08:32] <dr_willis> wrath, boot up, hit "e" at the boot menu. add on the end 'noapci' [08:32] <znh> nelsongs: what do you see then? you can see a terminal you just said :-/ [08:32] <dr_willis> of the 'kernel=line' [08:32] <husher> so is anybody here running breezy yet? [08:32] <jantan21> can u help me ? [08:32] <wrath> ok [08:32] <wrath> ty [08:32] <Razor-X> husher: breezy help doesen't belong on this channel [08:32] <dr_willis> i have to do this on my new laptop [08:32] <nelsongs> znh: yup just the terminal for about a sec, then blank [08:32] <nelsongs> znh: then heard the drums again [08:32] <DekaPink> <3 Ubuntu... Woot. [08:32] <thechitowncubss> yipee [08:32] <thechitowncubss> I just tried Windows VIsta Beta 1 and it sucked [08:33] <husher> Razor-X: i'm just curious how stable it is yet, i'm not running it [08:33] <wrath> trying that, brb [08:33] <Razor-X> thechitowncubss: well, Longtime's always sucked, you think Vista will chane anything? [08:33] <Razor-X> husher: very unstable [08:33] <znh> nelsongs: oh.. I wish I could help you further, but I have to go now :-( - Hope someone else can help you further [08:33] <Razor-X> every so often, something breaks [08:33] <znh> g2g channel [08:33] <Razor-X> so if you're lucky enough to enter in a lull when everything's fine [08:33] <thechitowncubss> I just realized officialy that i will probably be staying with ubuntu for the long haul. [08:33] <DekaPink> I don't know if I'll ever use Vista. [08:33] <Razor-X> then, don't update for a while [08:33] <Randall64> XP x64 is pretty crappy too [08:34] <nelsongs> help anyone? [08:34] <Razor-X> I agree with Leo Laporte, I think the time has come for M$ to redesign their OS from the ground up [08:34] <nelsongs> Randall64: what should i do? [08:34] <Razor-X> just like Mac did before OS X [08:34] <nelsongs> Randall64: can you help me? [08:34] <Randall64> It's time for M$ to adopt linux and port their crappy applications. [08:34] <nelsongs> Randall64: please? [08:35] <Randall64> nelsongs: pray [08:35] <dr_willis> MS could just buy the BeOS :P [08:35] <Razor-X> Randall64: that'll never happen [08:35] <Razor-X> dr_willis: haha! [08:35] <Razor-X> that would be a good mixture, though [08:35] <Razor-X> building Windows on top of the BeOS framework [08:35] <nelsongs> Randall64: no, seriously? is intel 915gm still not supported by ubuntu? [08:35] <Rockett17> yeah beos is a good os.. just dead and lacking in hardware/application support [08:35] <Razor-X> mmmm, the FMA Greatest Hits CD is the best ;) [08:35] <Randall64> nelsongs: no idea [08:36] <dr_willis> Theres the ZETA variation of BeOS thats out now I hear. [08:36] <Razor-X> Rockett17: it's not dead, actually [08:36] <nelsongs> Randall64: thanks anyway [08:36] <Razor-X> but, hardware support kicks ass on old hardware [08:36] <nelsongs> anyone, help me please? [08:36] <Razor-X> compared to more recent incantations of Linux and Windows [08:36] <Razor-X> nelsongs: what's the problem? [08:36] <Brian_Boruma> im getting all updates through sudo commands [08:36] <nelsongs> i have an hp laptop, dv4000, intel 915gm chipset [08:36] <Brian_Boruma> hopefully that helps [08:36] <Razor-X> Brian_Boruma: doubt it, but you can try [08:36] <Rockett17> yeah I know there is Zeta... but for new hardware it's pretty much useless [08:36] <nelsongs> when i finished installing everything, there was no display [08:36] <nelsongs> though i can hear the drums [08:37] <Randall64> I'll settle for M$ getting out of operating systems when cheap Intel macs become available. [08:37] <Razor-X> nelsongs: does i go into a Terminal Window? [08:37] <Razor-X> Randall64: that'll never happen either [08:37] <Razor-X> they're money leeches [08:37] <nelsongs> Razor-X yes [08:37] <Randall64> Razor-X: They might not have any choice ;) [08:37] <Razor-X> they'll stick as close to their money as they can [08:37] <nelsongs> Razor-X: i can go to the terminal window [08:37] <Razor-X> Randall64: they'll finally redesign their OS [08:37] <dr_willis> "Cheap" intel Macs - HA! ha! ha! [08:37] <dr_willis> :P [08:37] <holycow> well they have a good thing going, a tax on almost every system sold is a good place to be [08:37] <Razor-X> nelsongs: that's a problem? ;) [08:37] <Razor-X> just kidding, I know how most can't survive there, meh [08:38] <Razor-X> what's the graphics card? [08:38] <nelsongs> Razor-X: graphics card is intel 915GM [08:38] <Razor-X> most people here don't reccomend it, but if X.Org refuses to work because of drivers, you can always try XVesa or Xframebuffer ;) [08:38] <Razor-X> nelsongs: hmmm ok [08:38] <black13> Razor-X would you know what the xorg error (EE) Failed to load module "bitmap" (module does not exist, 0) would mean ? [08:39] <faen> Hmm anyone have any ideas why I can not hear sound in java applets using the latest firefox/java/fresh install? [08:39] <dr_willis> nelsongs, this a laptop? [08:39] <nelsongs> Razor-X: any ideas? yup, an hp dv4000 laptop [08:39] <Razor-X> black13: I can only gather from that the bitmap moule is missing, or such [08:39] <Razor-X> nelsongs: i'm googling now [08:39] <thechitowncubss> faen: try killing esd before starting them [08:39] <Razor-X> black13: try a google search [08:39] <dr_willis> nelsongs, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingUbuntuOnADellLatitudeX1?highlight=%28intel%29%7C%28915GM%29 [08:39] <faen> ok thechitowncubss [08:39] <dr_willis> mentions an almost identical error. [08:40] <wrath> i hit "e" at the boot menu but never saw anything like kernal=line [08:40] <wrath> wasn't sure where to enter that noapci thing [08:40] <black13> Razor-X sorry i hit the wrong back key ... no fixed that issue it was an xorg.conf problem [08:40] <dr_willis> wrath, this is a live cd you are booting? [08:40] <faen> that worked [08:40] <wrath> yes [08:42] <wrath> i've never tried linux so i wanted to just see what it was on the live cd before installing on a new partition [08:42] <dr_willis> Hmm.. Not sure how the cd's work differently. I had to mess with the noapic and noapci after i installed. [08:43] <windex> dr_willis: laptop? [08:43] <dr_willis> wrath, may want to go get the latest Knoppix Live cd' it may have better support for ya. [08:43] <dr_willis> windex, yea a compaq 3211us [08:43] <wrath> it hangs after it loads some usb drive [08:43] <dr_willis> wrath, or its hanging right AFTER that :P and not printing an error. [08:43] <Brian_Boruma> sudo apt-get install libopenal-dev [08:43] <wrath> yeah, i just thought ubuntu sounded cool [08:43] <Brian_Boruma> oops [08:43] <Brian_Boruma> wrong window [08:43] <windex> dr_willis: :) i dont know why, but laptop makers always seem to have one hell of a time supporting power management, which is funny, since they need it most. [08:44] <dr_willis> the ubuntu live cd may be a little out of date [08:44] <dr_willis> windex, yep. [08:44] <wrath> yeah, i just dl it [08:44] <dr_willis> the Ubuntu installer cd may work for ya. [08:44] <wrath> will it repartition for me or no [08:44] <dr_willis> but really for getting your feet wet in linux - Knoppix is dang handy [08:44] <dr_willis> I use that SystemREscueCd (linux live cd) to do my reparittiong needs. :P [08:44] <wrath> is knoppix easier than ubnuntu [08:45] <dr_willis> wrath, its all easy. [08:45] <dr_willis> once ya learn the fundamentls its all the same. [08:45] <wrath> hehe, i coming from XP [08:45] <wrath> ok [08:45] <windex> wrath: ubuntu will create partitions, but not resize your existing partitions. if you need to resize your windows partitions, you can use partition magic among other things. [08:45] <Krueger> I have installed gstreamer0.8-plugins. But still I can't play my WMA and MP3 files in totem and other gstreamer based programs ? [08:45] <wrath> yeah, i'll just use partition maging then [08:45] <wrath> magic [08:45] <Randall64> like noppix and qtparted [08:46] <Krueger> sorry my english ... [08:46] <Krueger> :) [08:46] <tucoz> I can't figure out what to look for in the x log file, to see at what resolution I am running at. [08:46] <tucoz> xvidtune didn't work for me. [08:47] <wrath> ok gonna go check out Knoppix [08:47] <wrath> peace out... [08:47] <wrath> ty for advice [08:47] <windex> Krueger: your english is better than my danish. :) [08:48] <dr_willis> I like the Danish's with the walnuts. [08:48] <dr_willis> :P [08:48] <dr_willis> and coffee [08:48] <windex> dr_willis: if you're going to associate denmark with a tasty pastry, does everyone else get to associate america with a big mac? [08:49] <Krueger> windex: Hehe... hej ;) [08:49] <mcquillg> I have a small ssh-agent question. Is there a way to leave the ssh-agent in daemon mode even after a user session has closed? [08:49] <mcquillg> In this case, I'm running a cronjob that should continue even after I've logged o ut. [08:49] <azik> windex: america not, but US yes :) [08:50] <windex> azik: personally, i blame canada and mexico equally for the popularity of mcdonalds. [08:51] <Razor-X> back [08:51] <holycow> windex, america is completely associated with a big mac [08:51] <Razor-X> screen went whacky on me, and I was configuring my zsh a bit [08:51] <holycow> big, bloated, fatty with no substance [08:51] <holycow> its perfect [08:51] <windex> +1 holycow. [08:51] <Razor-X> holycow: ;) [08:52] <holycow> *bows* [08:52] <holycow> >_> [08:52] <azik> i don't know about it, but it's usually think in US when you go to a mcdonalds and not Canada or Mexico... [08:53] <holycow> alas, mcd's and stafucks are just as popular here [08:53] <holycow> in vancouver we even have starbucks kitty corner from each other [08:53] <holycow> its sad [08:53] <windex> holycow: i used to live in seattle. i will let that statement speak for itself. [08:54] <holycow> windex, ehe :) [08:55] <windex> anyone need help with something linux orientated but not ubuntu specific since i still haven't absorbed enough knowledge to solve the ubuntu specific things? :) [08:55] <bootsman> i might [08:55] <Brian_Boruma> Do you want to run "privateer1.0.bz2.run", or display its contents? [08:56] <windex> Brian_Boruma: i'd assume you'd want to save it to disk and then execute it? [08:56] <Brian_Boruma> is that what i want to do [08:56] <Brian_Boruma> well it is currently on my desktop [08:56] <bootsman> do you know a good editor that resembles ultraedit? [08:56] <Razor-X> bootsman: never used ultraedit [08:57] <Razor-X> I used to use SciTE on Windows [08:57] <Razor-X> mmmm, that's probably the best GUI editor ever [08:57] <windex> Brian_Boruma: if its downloaded already, open a terminal window, cd to ~/Desktop, chmod +x ./privateer1.0.bz2.run, and run ./privateer1.0.bz2.run ? [08:57] <dr_willis> try 'file whatever.run' and see what kind of file it is. [08:57] <dr_willis> that filename seems WEIRD.. [08:57] <Razor-X> still, GUI spoils my teeth ;) [08:57] <Brian_Boruma> i already changed permissions to 744 [08:57] <dr_willis> it may need to be uncompressed befor ya can run it [08:57] <bootsman> uhm... maybe an editor that has these 2 features: syntax highlighting and folding? [08:57] <dr_willis> bootsman, 'fte' :P [08:57] <windex> Brian_Boruma: ok, then open a terminal, cd to ~/Desktop, and run ./privateer1.0.bz2.run [08:57] <Razor-X> bootsman: folding is a GUI action ;) [08:58] <Razor-X> SciTE is for Linux I believe [08:58] <bootsman> i want a gui =) [08:58] <Razor-X> and it has folding [08:58] <Razor-X> bootsman: ewww, editing in GUI, that's nasty [08:58] <dr_willis> fte has a gui. :P its just text based [08:58] <thechitowncubss> Linux needs a way for grandma to install software. [08:58] <Razor-X> that's like spraying salt with sugar [08:58] <bootsman> i make less mistakes if i have some nice colors ;) [08:58] <dr_willis> thechitowncubss, check out the 'autopackage' system then. [08:58] <three> hi [08:58] <thechitowncubss> dr_willis: i'm familiar [08:58] <Razor-X> bootsman: well, Terminals have nice colors too [08:58] <bootsman> and fte comes with ubuntu? [08:58] <windex> Razor-X: i use nano. :( i get endless crap from vi people, yet when i want to do something it just works and they are reading their cheat sheet coffee mug. it's like they enjoy pain. [08:58] <Razor-X> just your mouse is pretty much useless [08:59] <bootsman> i can live with that [08:59] <dr_willis> Cheet Sheet Coffe Mug. :P lol [08:59] <Razor-X> windex: i'm an emacs user [08:59] <dr_willis> i want one! [08:59] <Razor-X> windex: you obviously have a short memory span ;) [08:59] <myang> Can anybody tell me, do I need to turn on certain ports to enable bittorrent downloading? [08:59] <Razor-X> in nano, how would you go about renaming every instance of ``log'' to ``\log'' ? [08:59] <windex> Razor-X: i don't know anyone personally who uses emacs. :) [09:00] <bootsman> i was a little bit scared by emacs when running it for the first time [09:00] <highvoltage> windex: i know some 10 year olds who love emacs [09:00] <myang> My gnome bittorrent can't connect to download ubuntu [09:00] <phixion> why not use gedit? [09:00] <windex> highvoltage: im just happy they're using 'nix. [09:00] <three> do eany of you ppl know where i can get a wireless adapter the will work with ubuntu pls [09:00] <Brian_Boruma> its verifying archive integrity [09:00] <dr_willis> Vi referance Mug --> http://www.cafepress.com/geekcheat.11507711?r=froogle [09:00] <Brian_Boruma> windex [09:00] <windex> three: let me plug in my linksys wusb11 and see if it works. [09:00] <Razor-X> windex: can you find out how to do that with nano? ;) [09:00] <three> kk, thanx [09:01] <Razor-X> highvoltage: are you using age as some sort of deterrent? [09:01] <Razor-X> because i'm 15 mmmkay ;) [09:01] <windex> Brian_Boruma: yep? [09:01] <Brian_Boruma> windex says archive integrity all good [09:01] <windex> Brian_Boruma: i assume its ok then. i don't know what your doing, i just know it's a self extracting bz2. [09:02] <Razor-X> anyways, try out SciTE, a really nice GUI editor [09:02] <three> windex: so ur linksys wireless adapter work then???? [09:02] <Razor-X> three: maybe!!!!!!! [09:02] <Brian_Boruma> windex trying to install wing commander privateer game [09:02] <Razor-X> three: is there a reason people use more than one punctuation? [09:02] <three> oh, kk [09:02] <phixion> what program can i use to replace dc++? [09:02] <r2d4> Can anyone please recommend me a good tutorial on setting up imap and pop on my Ubuntu box? [09:03] <sorush20> guys... I can't find my menu bar on kde.. can anyone help... how can I restart it [09:03] <dr_willis> Razor-X, ?!? [09:03] <r2d4> servers that is. [09:03] <Razor-X> dr_willis: more than one of one instance of punctuation in a series [09:03] <Razor-X> ;) [09:03] <Razor-X> r2d4: there are a few out there, I use one, don't remember offhand [09:03] <Razor-X> I use dcgui [09:03] <Razor-X> ;) [09:04] <windex> three: you will be delighted(?) to know that the linksys wusb11 does not appear to work out of the box. however, if you have a development installation (gcc, etc) the drivers for it can be found at http://at76c503a.berlios.de/ [09:04] <windex> oh. he left. [09:04] <r2d4> Razor-X: I will try that. [09:04] <Brian_Boruma> windex sorry but /.setup4902: error while loading shared libraries: libgdk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [09:05] <windex> Brian_Boruma: ah ha. looks like the game needs older libraries. let me see if they're in ubuntu via software installation. [09:05] <phixion> I'm trying to follow the DC++ tutorial here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28378&highlight=dc but the cvs commands arent working, how can i fix it? [09:06] <Brian_Boruma> windex thanks , thats really cool of you [09:06] <renbolicious```> Anyone knows why there is no root after install? [09:06] <windex> Brian_Boruma: as root (via su) or with sudo, run: aptitude install libgtk1.2 [09:07] <phixion> renbolicious```, you use 'sudo' [09:07] <other|study> renbolicious```: did you ever read anything about this distro before you installed it? [09:07] <phixion> how can i get cvs working? ;/ [09:07] <renbolicious```> i didnet [09:07] <renbolicious```> I just got the tip that it is very comfortable for users [09:07] <Brian_Boruma> windex done [09:07] <windex> other|study: i didn't, and it took me a minute until i ran a config utility and noticed it was like OS X to figure it out. many, many people are used to the same-old same-old. [09:07] <jab9417> can anyone give me an idea why I wouldnt be getting audio from flash in Mozilla or firefox? I've re-installed the flash plugin and gstreamer.. is there something else I'm missing? [09:07] <Brian_Boruma> should i try running it again now [09:08] <windex> Brian_Boruma: try running the program again, if it fails again, let me know on which library and i'll try again to find it. it's gunna be a cat and mouse game. [09:08] <renbolicious```> ok, where is the FM i gotta read ;>? [09:09] <jab9417> Ubuntu Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com// [09:10] <highvoltage> Razor-X: no [09:10] <Razor-X> highvoltage: eh? [09:10] <Razor-X> I just came back... [09:10] <highvoltage> you asked me if i'm using age as a deterent. the answer is no. [09:10] <Razor-X> uggghh, relearning screen is a pain ;) [09:10] <Razor-X> highvoltage: cool [09:11] <highvoltage> screen is eary! [09:11] <highvoltage> i mean easy :) [09:11] <|satan|> when i put in the cd unbuntu it shuts down my computer [09:11] <Razor-X> highvoltage: not when you got emacs binds emblazoned in your flesh ;) [09:11] <phixion> anyone able to help me? why can i not use the "cvs" commands? [09:12] <tritium> phixion, have you installed it? [09:12] <phixion> no :o where can i get it? [09:12] <windex> aptitude install cvs ? :) [09:12] <Brian_Boruma> windex im trying sudo apt - get aptitude install libgtk1.2 [09:12] <Brian_Boruma> i keep getting errors [09:12] <phixion> cant find cvs... :/ [09:12] <windex> ohh. [09:12] <tritium> Brian_Boruma, use either apt-get or aptitude, but not both [09:13] <jab9417> Sorry to be a pest, but can anyone give me an idea why I wouldnt be getting audio from flash in Mozilla or firefox? I've re-installed the flash plugin and gstreamer.. is there something else I'm missing? [09:13] <Razor-X> cvs is a package here :( [09:13] <windex> Brian_Boruma: you don't need the apt - get. all you should need to type is sudo aptitude install libgtk1.2 .. i just used aptitude because it has fewer issues for me on debian. [09:13] <phixion> No candidate version found for cvs, No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. [09:13] <Razor-X> jab9417: is something else using audo right now? [09:13] <jab9417> no.. nothing. [09:13] <Razor-X> I like aptitude ;) [09:13] <Brian_Boruma> windex your a genious [09:13] <windex> jab9417: flash player only supports writing directly to DSP, if your sound card can not handle simultanious DSP writes and/or you are running another sound daemon, that's why. [09:14] <Razor-X> Brian_Boruma: that's common sense ;) and you mispelled genius ;) [09:14] <Brian_Boruma> windex lmao [09:14] <tritium> phixion, it's in main. You have to be able to get it, unless you haven't updated your package list ever [09:14] <jab9417> hmm.. okay. I'll take a look into that.. [09:14] <Razor-X> anyone willing to chink up a more scientific approach at netspeak, join me in offtopic [09:14] <phixion> tritium, I have... I have default repositories, with universe enabled [09:14] <Razor-X> s/chink/think/ [09:15] <tritium> !info cvs [09:15] <ubotu> cvs: (Concurrent Versions System), section devel, is optional. Version: 1:1.12.9-9 (hoary), Packaged size: 1400 kB, Installed size: 3024 kB [09:15] <tritium> it's there, phixion [09:15] <phixion> tritium, nm lol, all my repositories were "##" commented [09:15] <Brian_Boruma> did you all know you could take a .run file and drag it to terminal window and it operate the same as using command line [09:15] <phixion> from when i edited them [09:15] <phixion> bah :) [09:15] <tritium> :) [09:16] <occy> Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900 <-- my laptop has that video chipset... [09:16] <tritium> phixion, glad you figured that out. [09:16] <phixion> ta mate :) [09:16] <r2d4> Razor-X: you said dcgui. did you misspell it? I am getting a P2P client on that. [09:16] <occy> just installed Ubuntu on it. [09:16] <occy> and get a big white screen. [09:16] <windex> Brian_Boruma: nope. but that's because i barely depend on a gui as anything but window management. :) [09:16] <Brian_Boruma> oh [09:16] <Brian_Boruma> well i was hoping i could help [09:16] <Razor-X> r2d4: that's what DC++ is [09:16] <Razor-X> it's a P2P client [09:16] <occy> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Intel_Graphics_Media_Accelerator_900 [09:16] <occy> hmm [09:17] <levander> Nobody in here has gotten udftools to work? [09:17] <Brian_Boruma> windex [09:17] <r2d4> Razor-X: OK! I was asking for IMAP, a mail server :-) [09:17] <levander> There is an alternative to RW access to DVD-RW and CD-RW discs? [09:17] <renbolicious```> omg [09:17] <Brian_Boruma> windex where will this install to? [09:17] <levander> alternative to udf? [09:17] <renbolicious```> friends just gave me the hint [09:17] <renbolicious```> sudo passwd [09:17] <renbolicious```> and now [09:17] <renbolicious```> I am root .x [09:18] <IceDC571> how do i find out what all my hardware is in linux? [09:18] <Brian_Boruma> windex what binary path do i want to install this to? [09:18] <tritium> renbolicious```, and? [09:18] <windex> Brian_Boruma: what's the default? [09:18] <renbolicious```> that is just amazing [09:18] <tritium> renbolicious```, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo [09:18] <tommi^> Is it just me or doesn't Evolution work properly with maildir? [09:18] <renbolicious```> i got to register first [09:18] <Brian_Boruma> /home/name [09:18] <windex> Brian_Boruma: i dont know anything about the game. i'm going to assume it has sane defaults, since i have nothing else to work from? [09:18] <Brian_Boruma> ok [09:18] <tritium> renbolicious```, to read the wiki page? No, you don't... [09:18] <Brian_Boruma> windex thanks [09:19] <Brian_Boruma> can i have it install to my desktop? [09:19] <windex> Brian_Boruma: i don't see why not. [09:19] <windex> wouldn't be my first choice. :) [09:20] <Brian_Boruma> ok i just left the defaults as you said windex [09:20] <Sponge_> How do I install a palm m130 on ubuntu? [09:20] <windex> Brian_Boruma: just remember where that was, then create a launcher on your desktop for the path to the game. [09:20] <levander> If a CDRW has an iso fs on it, can I blank the disc, and create a new iso fs on it? [09:21] <windex> levander: yes, but i dont remember which utilities are on ubuntu. cdrecord? [09:21] <Razor-X> levander: mkisofs I believe [09:21] <tritium> levander, even nautilus can do tha [09:21] <tritium> tha [09:21] <Razor-X> dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/path/to/device [09:21] <tritium> arg..that [09:21] <Razor-X> and then mkisofs [09:21] <r2d4> Razor-X: oops! Never mind. You were answering someone else. [09:21] <Razor-X> the first command nulls the cd, the second makes the iso fs [09:21] <Razor-X> r2d4: hehehe ;) [09:21] <levander> yeah, mkiosfs makes the iso fs, and cdrecord burns the disc, anybody know the command line utility to blank the disc? [09:21] <windex> levander: cdrecord has a 'blank=all' command? :) [09:22] <Sponge_> I can't find the ttyUSB* on ubuntu. With all this stuff of udev. What can I do? [09:22] <Razor-X> windex: that works too, I guess? ;) [09:22] <levander> tritium: it's gotta be a command line util, script is going to run from cron to backup my system [09:22] <occy> the new ipw2200 drivers, [09:22] <occy> hmm [09:22] <tritium> levander, ah, okay [09:22] <levander> windex: thanks, i'll check it out [09:22] <Razor-X> I just love dd so much, it's crazy ;) [09:22] <Brian_Boruma> windex what would the run file be [09:22] <occy> anyone know how I can get that? [09:22] <Brian_Boruma> windex the extension i mean [09:22] <windex> Brian_Boruma: there might not be an extension, what binary directory did you install to? [09:23] <levander> Anybody remember the emacs command to switch two buffers? So that the buffer on the bottom is now on the top, and the buffer that was on the top is now on the bottom? [09:23] <Brian_Boruma> /home/XX [09:23] <Brian_Boruma> i am browsing through the folder [09:23] <Brian_Boruma> in home [09:23] <Brian_Boruma> and i see it [09:23] <Razor-X> levander: hmmm, no, actually ;) [09:23] <windex> okay. :) [09:23] <Brian_Boruma> dont know what file would start it [09:23] <Razor-X> you can always write your own macro for reference [09:23] <Brian_Boruma> and dont want to go clicking on everything i see [09:23] <phixion> if something tells me to "Also apt-get install your kernel headers." what does it mean? [09:24] <Razor-X> I generally use C-x o C-x b RET C-x o C-x b RET, but that may have different effects depending on your last buffers and stuff [09:24] <phixion> apt-get install what? :) [09:24] <renbolicious```> so, what is the command to setup my soundcard? alsaconf is not known. [09:24] <windex> Brian_Boruma: okay, go into the directory, do a: ls -l|grep rwx .. what binaries are there? [09:25] <Mobus> ... [09:25] <punkass> hi, a buddy of mine just rebooted his hoary install and now none of his networking is working [09:25] <punkass> wireless or ethernet [09:25] <Razor-X> punkass: did he update any modules? [09:25] <punkass> ifup just gives "eth0: no ipv6 routers present" [09:25] <punkass> no [09:25] <punkass> and then DCHP just goes to sleep [09:26] <punkass> it does this whole thing to of course: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5 [09:26] <punkass> dmesg shows that it can see that eth0 link is plugged in [09:26] <Razor-X> punkass: is the DHCP server working? [09:27] <Razor-X> (I mean, by using another machine or such) [09:27] <punkass> we he tried sudo dhclient eth0 but it failed too [09:27] <punkass> oh yeah [09:27] <punkass> he as a windows box and a knoppix laptop using the same router [09:27] <punkass> and they are fine [09:27] <Razor-X> hmmm.... [09:27] <punkass> yeah thats what i thought too ;) [09:27] <Krueger> I have installed the gstreamer0.8-plugins package from synaptic. but it dosen't work, I can't play my mp3 and other files in totem and other gstreamer based programs ? [09:28] <Razor-X> punkass: if you had another Ubuntu box, you could download the dhcp package but... ah :\ [09:28] <punkass> Krueger: run gst-register ....doh cant remeber the whole command name [09:28] <Mobus> ok this is weird [09:28] <Mobus> I'm talking to you guys [09:28] <Mobus> but no other internet app is working right now... [09:28] <levander> What's this 8.3 filename limit for iso that I'm reading about in the mkisofs man page? I've never had to limit filenames to that in the past. [09:28] <punkass> yeah I was going to get him to do a an install of dhcpcd but of course no network [09:29] <tech> how do i configure ubuntu to use some other windowmanager+ [09:29] <Krueger> punkass: could it be gst-register-0.8 ? [09:29] <punkass> yes thats the one [09:29] <Krueger> thank you punkass :D [09:29] <occy> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51187&highlight=dv4000 [09:29] <occy> hmm [09:29] <punkass> no prob [09:29] <dan_> Hi there! [09:29] <occy> this seems to address my problem... but. [09:29] <occy> it's for the live cd. [09:30] <occy> I've already installed Ubuntu on this dv4000 laptop. [09:30] <punkass> any other thoughts Razor-X? [09:30] <windex> levander: the -J flag enables joilet directory records, which allow up to 64 characters [09:30] <Razor-X> punkass: i'm thinking :( [09:30] <punkass> hehe [09:30] <Razor-X> well [09:30] <Razor-X> instead of using DHCP [09:30] <Razor-X> have you tried configging it manually? [09:30] <punkass> no havent tried that yet [09:31] <Razor-X> since you have the information the DHCP server provides for you using other boxes [09:31] <Razor-X> try that, that'll be an interim solution [09:31] <Razor-X> then you can reinstall your DHCP package [09:31] <dan_> How can I make Ubuntu to "see" (use) my NTFS partitions? [09:31] <punkass> if it works that would be great [09:31] <occy> how do I get to the "Configure X-server.org" screen? [09:31] <windex> dan_: NTFS is read-only, there is write support, but you can't add or grow files. [09:31] <Mobus> dan_: sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt [09:32] <tritium> occy, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [09:32] <|satan|> i pute in the unbuntu cd and i hit enter then it goes throw the process then shuts down my computer [09:32] <occy> tritium, thank you sir. [09:32] <|satan|> what is happening [09:33] <benplaut> |satan| live or install CD? [09:33] <|satan|> install cd [09:34] <windex> |satan|: do you remove the ubuntu install cd when the installation prompts you to? [09:34] <turtle_> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35068 [09:34] <|satan|> nah i pop it in then it says hit enter to install [09:34] <|satan|> then it goes throw some code [09:34] <|satan|> then shuts down [09:34] <Razor-X> |satan|: maybe it says that for a reason? ;) [09:34] <windex> |satan|: does it give any reasons? [09:35] <turtle_> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu [09:35] <windex> i'm going to assume it does this to prevent some horrible thing from occuring, or because your download was incomplete. but i don't know. [09:35] <|satan|> should i pop it in again [09:35] <|satan|> and see what it says [09:35] <windex> might help if you knew the error from immediatley before reboot, yes. [09:35] <occy> w00p [09:36] <occy> tritium, thanks bud [09:36] <Razor-X> wish I could use a regexp for that XD [09:36] <tritium> occy, any time :) [09:37] <levander> okay, great, when i run 'cdrecord -scanbus' i get warned about running it on a kernel 2.5 or newer [09:37] <levander> Is okay to use cdrecord anyway? [09:37] <Ratmann> Hello all [09:37] <bh> hi ratmann! [09:38] <Ratmann> Quick little question [09:38] <|satan|> it says sucessfull then my screen goes blank [09:38] <Ratmann> I'm on Window XP, got Ubuntu on a small HD [09:38] <benplaut> jito: Thinkpad... and best for everything else, too :) [09:38] <windex> |satan|: does it reboot? or just stop? [09:38] <Ratmann> I'm gonna go over to the Ubuntu HD, but i wanna be able to access some of the files in my Windows HD [09:39] <jito> thanks benplaut. Does ubuntu install well on just about any thinkpad? How about Dell? [09:39] <|satan|> just stop [09:39] <windex> |satan|: no hard disk activity, or anything? [09:39] <|satan|> i thimy computer on just a blank screen [09:39] <benplaut> jito: the physical quality of dell is horendus... yup, it works on pretty much any recent thinkpad [09:39] <jito> excellent [09:39] <benplaut> i'm a bit biased, but.. :) [09:40] <nariman> HELP!!!!!! [09:40] <Ratmann> Anyone know? [09:40] <windex> benplaut: the business dell boxes are about the same as using equivilently priced self-built stuff. dimensions and low end notebooks, though, oi. [09:40] <Randall64> What's a .udeb? [09:40] <benplaut> T series is the mosd expensive [09:40] <|satan|> nothing is happening [09:40] <Ratmann> Anyone know how i can access the files? [09:40] <benplaut> but best quality [09:40] <nariman> can someone help me install WINE [09:41] <benplaut> R series is a nice comprimise [09:41] <windex> |satan|: im not sure what's going on, then. the installer may have a problem using your hardware? [09:41] <benplaut> nariman: yup [09:41] <bh> there is special support for hp notebooks: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/custom/hplaptops. Anyone tried that? [09:41] <nariman> ok, help me :( [09:41] <nariman> :) [09:41] <benplaut> just a sec, i'll find the better tutorial [09:41] <|satan|> so what shall i do [09:41] <|satan|> install another linus [09:41] <|satan|> linux [09:42] <windex> |satan|: does the livecd work? [09:42] <crimsun> jito: the T4xs are well supported [09:42] <|satan|> didnt try it [09:42] <mauripc> hi [09:42] <crimsun> jito: currently using a T41 and T42 fully supported by Hoary [09:43] <nevin> narimanL you can just run "sudo apt-get install wine" [09:43] <windex> |satan|: well, i'm not versed at all with how the installer works. you can try another distribution, or wait for someone else to help out. [09:43] <JoiIto> crimsun, thanks [09:45] <|satan|> maybe i will try the live dvd [09:45] <punkass> well Razor-X still no luck with a static ip [09:45] <punkass> this is so wierd [09:46] <punkass> weird also [09:46] <Razor-X> punkass: hmmmmm.... [09:46] <tommi^> How to convert maildir to mbox? [09:46] <Razor-X> tommi^: mbox? [09:46] <Razor-X> that's a type of box in LaTeX ;) [09:46] <punkass> crimsun: any idea why networking would just stop working....router is fine as knoppix and XP are using it fine [09:47] <punkass> no updates have been done [09:47] <Razor-X> punkass: I'm guessing networking itself broke.... :( [09:47] <punkass> just a reboot then no network [09:47] <Razor-X> although why... i'm not so sure [09:47] <tucoz> Are there any serious issues with breeze, or is it ok to install? [09:47] <windex> punkass: give 'ifup eth0' a try? [09:47] <Razor-X> did you try disconnecting it, then reconnecting it? [09:47] <windex> :) [09:47] <punkass> yeah i did [09:47] <Razor-X> tucoz: many many serious issues [09:47] <renbolicious```> what tool do i use instead of alsaconf? [09:47] <tommi^> Razor-X, yeah, that's exactly what I'm trying to do. [09:47] <nevin> renbolicious```: why aren't you using esd? [09:47] <tommi^> qmail has a maildir2mbox utility but qmail isn't packaged to ubuntu. [09:47] <Razor-X> tommi^: where's your maildir located, is mbox a shell variable? [09:48] <windex> punkass: sometimes linux has issues with unclean network hardware, when he rebooted, did he do a full power off or a soft reset? [09:48] <Razor-X> tommi^: maildir/mbox are application specific, so please elaborate [09:48] <renbolicious```> nevin, because i didnt know there was a config utility named esd [09:48] <renbolicious```> ill try right away [09:48] <tucoz> Razor-X: Oh,ok. Hmm, then I'll guess I'll stick with 5.04 then [09:48] <punkass> windex: just a reboot [09:48] <nevin> renbolicious```: esd is an equivalent to alsa [09:48] <Razor-X> nevin: esd uses alsa [09:48] <nevin> renbolicious```: it should come preconfigured with ubuntu [09:48] <punkass> from the menu [09:49] <tommi^> Randall64, no, I'm not really trying to do latex stuff. Maildir and mbox, shouldn't be too hard to figure out to what those are related to. Formats where you keep your mail in. For example, /var/spool/mail/Razor-X is in mbox format, I guess. [09:49] <renbolicious```> hmm [09:49] <renbolicious```> so what is the actual command to hack in? [09:49] <tommi^> Randall64, not for you, for Razor-X [09:49] <windex> punkass: i used to have a machine that had a integrated realtek nic, and if the machine was rebooted without powering off/on, the network interface got no traffic. i'm not saying that's the problem, but it could be. [09:49] <Razor-X> tommi^: are the differences in how the text is stored? [09:50] <Razor-X> try googling something too [09:50] <punkass> windex: ill give that a shot...although the wireless stopped working too [09:50] <Razor-X> if it's a text difference, a regexp will work [09:50] <tommi^> Razor-X, mbox = one big file, Maildir = every message is a file. [09:50] <nevin> renbolicious```: what are you trying to configure? [09:50] <Razor-X> tommi^: you can write a script to change that [09:50] <tommi^> Razor-X, that is, if you simplify it. [09:50] <renbolicious```> my soundcard [09:50] <renbolicious```> isa soundblaster 16 [09:50] <|satan|> i tried it on my base stattion [09:50] <|satan|> and it loaded [09:51] <nevin> renbolicious```: does it work at all? what sort of problem are you hainvg? [09:51] <Krueger> which gstreamer package should I install for WMA support ? [09:51] <tommi^> Razor-X, I don't want to reinvent the wheel. I'm not sure even if I can. [09:51] <windex> punkass: im thinking of possible issues, but i don't know much about ubuntu specific network configuration [09:51] <godzirra_> hrm. how do I get the java plugin for firefox? I've looked and cant find what package I need. [09:51] <levander> Anybody know if the ubuntu developers are working on fixing these issues with CD burning in breezy? I can't get anything to work from the command line. Googling, lots of people with same problems, no answers. [09:52] <occy> tritium, I updated the Ubuntu Forum post for that laptop model to include that bit of info you gave me to help other people in the future. [09:52] <renbolicious```> I'm sry, I'm totally newb [09:52] <OiPenguin> I've installed ubuntu on a low-spec system, but it's working poorly. [09:52] <nevin> renbolicious```: what problem are you trying to solve? [09:52] <renbolicious```> i wanna listen to music :) [09:52] <OiPenguin> What's the minimum limit for an Ubuntu system [09:52] <nevin> renbolicious```: mp3? [09:52] <|satan|> can someone help me install this [09:52] <nophix> godzirra_: sun-j2sdk1.5 maybe? [09:53] <Belutz> is it save to uninstall all the library-dev packages? [09:53] <OiPenguin> How do I find the specs on my computer in Ubuntu? [09:53] <nevin> renbolicious```: if so, you need to install xmms (run "sudo apt-get install xmms")... the prepackaged music player isn't that great, I find [09:53] <nevin> renbolicious```: then I can help you configure xmms [09:53] <other|study> nevin: neither is xmms :p [09:54] <godzirra_> nophix: I cant find that package.... [09:54] <punkass> windex: yeah this is pretty wierd [09:54] <renbolicious```> i just installed xmms :P [09:54] <renbolicious```> that i did know :D [09:54] <raven3x7> OiPenguin, what exactly do you mean low-spec? if your system is really old maybe instead of gnome you should use fluxbox or any other lightweight window manager [09:54] <Krueger> which gstreamer package should I install for WMA support ? [09:54] <punkass> windex: and of course it has to be my buddys comp that is out of town [09:54] <nevin> renbolicious```: start it, then open preferences (press ctrl+p) [09:54] <nevin> renbolicious```: you should see a popup with a bunch of options, following so far? [09:54] <windex> punkass: as root (or with sudo_, he can also try to run /etc/init.d/networking restart [09:55] <renbolicious```> k, i choose alsa... [09:55] <OiPenguin> I've taken over an early pentium PC and I'm planning to prepare it for someone with no computer as alternative [09:55] <raven3x7> Krueger, you probably need w32codecs [09:55] <renbolicious```> i have to configure my sounddevice first [09:55] <nevin> renbolicious```: choose eSound, it should work out of the box [09:55] <nophix> godzirra_: there are many topics regarding java in the forums, try ubuntuguide.org too [09:55] <Krueger> raven3x7: okay... thx [09:55] <raven3x7> OiPenguin, how experienced is that someone? [09:55] <OiPenguin> Is fluxbux easy for a newbie? [09:55] <renbolicious```> nevin, no it doesnt :/ [09:56] <|satan|> can someone help me install this unbuntu [09:56] <nevin> renbolicious```: in a console, run "killall esd", then "esd &" [09:56] <OiPenguin> Used to surfing the net, that's about it. Not experienced. I'm experienced, but not with linux. I'm no possibility to solve his problems as the arise [09:56] <raven3x7> OiPenguin, not really. uhm maybe fvwm'95 is a better choice. it looks alot like win95 although i find it rather ugly and featureless [09:57] <raven3x7> OiPenguin, not sure if that one is in buntu though [09:57] <OiPenguin> Is fluxbox in Ubuntu? [09:57] <pestilence> OiPenguin: maybe xfce would be something to check out...you could configure it to be pretty easy to use. [09:57] <raven3x7> OiPenguin, yes [09:58] <pestilence> raven3x7: it's not in ubuntu proper is it? [09:58] <pestilence> raven3x7: it's in universe, and that package doesn't work very well [09:58] <OiPenguin> Cheers. Would that be an alternative to Gnome or KDE? [09:58] <godzirra_> nophix: *shrug* Ok. I assumed it was a simple apt-get install... of course, I assumed I could just do an apt-cache search and findit too ;) [09:58] <OiPenguin> (I'm new in Linux, you know) [09:58] <raven3x7> pestilence, what package are you talkin about fvwm95 or fluxbox? [09:59] <raven3x7> OiPenguin, i think pestilence is right. you should try xfce [09:59] <Krueger> in which repositorie can I find the w32codecs package ? [09:59] <pestilence> raven3x7: fluxbox [10:00] <robotgeek> !codecs [10:00] <ubotu> codecs is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [10:00] <OiPenguin> How do I try xfce? [10:00] <nariman> i need help with installing drivers [10:00] <nariman> can some one help me? [10:00] <raven3x7> pestilence i have it installed havent used it much. all i can say is afterstep is definetly very unstable [10:00] <nariman> i want to install my wireless pcmcia card [10:00] <nophix> nariman: what drivers first? [10:00] <nophix> oh, nm [10:00] <pestilence> raven3x7: heh. i wasn't suggesting afterstep :) [10:00] <nariman> ive found the drivers on the chipmakers page [10:01] <cwarner> are changes into the ubuntu 2.6.10-5 kernel backported from latest stable? [10:01] <punkass> windex: no luck with the network restart [10:01] <windex> nariman: are they provided as source or binary only? [10:01] <windex> punkass: i'm stumped. is he getting a link light on his hub/switch? [10:02] <raven3x7> pestilence, nope you didnt. but that one is also in universe. i gouess wm not in ubuntu proper are probably not well tested. that was my point ;) [10:02] <nariman> windex: source [10:02] <punkass> windex: yes he is...even dmesg is showing that link is up [10:02] <windex> nariman: have you installed kernel modules from source before? [10:02] <raven3x7> OiPenguin, sudo aptitude install xfce probably [10:03] <OiPenguin> Raven3x7: I've found this guide for fluxbox. Looks a lot less comprehensible than your one-liner. [10:03] <nariman> no, ima a newbie so [10:03] <nariman> i don think so [10:03] <JoiIto> can I ask about hardware support on a T43? Is there one of the CD/DVD drives it supports or doesn't support? And does it support the PCI 802.11 card properly? [10:03] <nariman> is it hard? [10:04] <ccesario> hi..... I'm using the breezy version, and mey keyboard is configured to Abnt2 model... but the "/" keyboard don't work.... how to solve this... [10:04] <OiPenguin> Will your one-liner do the whole thing, or will I need additional configuring? [10:04] <OiPenguin> Rave3x7: The aformentioned guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51942&highlight=howto+fluxbox [10:05] <windex> nariman: well, you need a development enviroment (gcc, etc). if you don't have one, it'll take a minute to install it [10:05] <raven3x7> OiPenguin, well it will download and install xfce. dunno how well configured it is. It will most probably work though [10:06] <raven3x7> OiPenguin, hmm i installed fluxbox with apt havent used/configured it much since though. i can confirm that fluxbo needs work after install though [10:06] <raven3x7> !xfce [10:06] <ubotu> raven3x7: I don't know [10:07] <robotgeek> !info xfce [10:07] <ubotu> xfce: (The Cholesterol Free Desktop Environment), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 3.8.18-2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 907 kB, Installed size: 2548 kB [10:08] <OiPenguin> Thanks, I'll try and see how it goes. With the current set-up, how do I find out RAM and CPU of my computer? [10:09] <raven3x7> robotgeek i was looking for a guide actually. i guess xfce is a metapackage [10:09] <musicman2059> xfce > gnome > kde :P [10:10] <HiddenWolf> I have a very old laptop, and I can't get xorg to work on it, any hints? [10:11] <raven3x7> OiPenguin, System > Device Manager might give you details and there is probably a much more effective terminal command but i dunno it [10:11] <robotgeek> raven3x7: i don't think you are gonna find a guide from ubotu :) [10:11] <robotgeek> lspci,lsusb [10:11] <raven3x7> robotgeek it does have some links to the wiki [10:12] <robotgeek> raven3x7: cool [10:12] <raven3x7> although not for xfce apparently [10:13] <raven3x7> OiPenguin, that System > Administration > Device Manager actually sorry [10:13] <raven3x7> musicman2059, i havent seen it decently preconfigured on any distro i tried it [10:14] <ccesario> somebody have any idea... about abnt2 keyboard [10:14] <OiPenguin> Cheers, I'll have to switch computers. Back soon if everything goes well. [10:15] <Geoffrian> Does anyone have a Dell printer working in Ubuntu????? [10:15] <Manawyddan> hi, everyone. i've installed python through synaptic, and now i would like to create an icon for it(IDLE), but it seams that i can't find the right file, can someone help me with this? [10:15] <Dr_Fate> I do I uninstall a package and everything that depends on that package? [10:16] <^thehatsrule^> icon? what would you need an icon for? [10:16] <raven3x7> doess anyone know if udev can be disabled at boot in ubuntu? [10:17] <Manawyddan> it's just so that i don't have to invoke from the prompt all the time. [10:18] <Dr_Fate> How do I uninstall a package and everything that depends on that package? [10:18] <Manawyddan> i think using synaptic will do the trick [10:20] <Mittens87> hello [10:21] <Mittens87> anyone willing to help me with connecting to the internet? [10:21] <benplaut> Mittens87: sure... i see... cable? [10:21] <benplaut> (i can't but someone can) [10:22] <Mittens87> whos that someone? [10:22] <cwarner> udev can't be disabled at boot unless you replace it with a way to create device nodes. [10:22] <cwarner> are there any ubuntu kernel team members in here? [10:22] <Mittens87> cwarner can you help me with my ubuntu? [10:23] <cwarner> whats wrong? [10:23] <raven3x7> Mittens87, if you dont tell us what type of conection you have noone will be able to help [10:23] <raven3x7> cwarner thanks [10:23] <Mittens87> i cant connect to the internet, wirelessly or through a wire connection [10:23] <Mittens87> its cable [10:24] <cwarner> have you done the obvious?? IE: make sure your cables are connected etc? [10:24] <Mittens87> it recognizes my wireless card and pci card in my laptop [10:24] <Mittens87> yes [10:24] <raven3x7> Mittens87, unfortunatly i have no experience with cable modems or wifi unfurtunatly\ [10:24] <Mittens87> even the router shows that someone has connected (my laptop wiht ubuntu on it) [10:24] <dmgunn> When I install ImageMagick from synaptic, it doesn't show up under Applications -> Graphics... does anyone know why? [10:24] <Brian_Boruma> well i've gotten privateer to run but the frame rates are unbearable [10:24] <windex> imagemagick is a set of libraries and command line utilities [10:25] <Mittens87> is there a way to manually switch connections? [10:25] <Brian_Boruma> i mean my mouse cursor get 2 frames a sec [10:25] <nariman> be be be dididi kll! [10:25] <raven3x7> dmgunn some apps need you to manually create an entry [10:25] <Brian_Boruma> any solutions on fixing this problem [10:25] <dmgunn> windex, thanks.. so how do I execute it? [10:25] <cwarner> Mittens87, do your wireless and wired connections both provide internet access?? [10:25] <dmgunn> raven3x7, thats pretty lame.. thanks tho [10:25] <windex> dmgunn: it depends, there are multiple programs for resizing images [10:25] <Mittens87> yes i'm on the connection now [10:26] <Mittens87> it doesnt give my laptop an ip [10:26] <Mittens87> it connects but dhcp doesnt kick in [10:26] <Brian_Boruma> windex ive gotten it to run and everything looks good, i just cant get frames rates above 1-2 fps [10:26] <windex> dmgunn: the most common is 'convert'. check it's man page. [10:26] <raven3x7> Brian_Boruma, you have installed drivers for your graphics card? [10:26] <cwarner> Mittens87, ok lets fix some of your terminology here.. when you say it "connects" explain that to me [10:26] <dmgunn> windex, thanks.. I want to draw tho.. and I find gimp complicated [10:26] <Brian_Boruma> raven3x7 well just what ubuntu has loaded for them initially [10:26] <Mittens87> now the network connection says its connectet to "lo" [10:27] <raven3x7> Brian_Boruma, nvidia or ati? [10:27] <Mittens87> like when i go onto the config to my router, it shows that its connected in the log, but never shows that it assigned an ip to the laptop [10:27] <windex> dmgunn: imagemagick is not a gui editor, it's for doing automated image manipulation last i knew. [10:27] <Krueger> by installing xfce in synaptic ? [10:27] <cwarner> Mittens87, ok you're confusing some terms here.. you're not connected.. if the network or wireless card cannot get information from the dhcp server then they can be given a respective ip [10:27] <siimo> is breezy compiled with gcc 4 [10:27] <dmgunn> Mittens87, go to Connection properties and change Name to eth0 [10:27] <cwarner> Mittens87, can't even [10:27] <windex> Brian_Boruma: you're going to have to get help from raven3x7 or another if you want help getting 3d acceleration to work out [10:27] <Brian_Boruma> ati [10:28] <cwarner> Mittens87, are you using gnome or kde? [10:28] <Mittens87> how do i get to connection properties warner [10:28] <Mittens87> ? [10:28] <Mittens87> gnome [10:28] <Brian_Boruma> ive done this xorg-driver-fglrx-dev [10:28] <dmgunn> windex: thanks.. [10:28] <Brian_Boruma> for the ati drivers [10:28] <cwarner> Mittens87, System/Administration/Networking [10:28] <Brian_Boruma> is that correct? [10:30] <cwarner> Mittens87, from there you'll be presented with a window.. it has a notebook widget (the thing with the tabs) consisting of the following panes.. Connections/General/DNS/Hosts [10:30] <HiddenWolf> Guys, I've got an ancient laptop that'll go into hardlock the minute I launch X, how can I figure out which xorg settings I need to set? [10:30] <raven3x7> Brian_Boruma, i've alway had nvidia but there is a guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?highlight=%28binary%29 [10:30] <cwarner> Mittens87, you'll want to make sure that the ethernet connection is available or the wireless connection depending on what you would like to use.. they should be "active".. if they are already active you'll want to check the "Properties" button [10:31] <PrimoTurbo> msg nickserv set email primoturbo@gmail.com [10:31] <PrimoTurbo> oops [10:31] <PrimoTurbo> forgot the slash [10:31] <La_PaRCa> jaja [10:31] <Mittens87> ok so i want to stick with wireless so i'll just set wireless to active [10:31] <cwarner> Mittens87, from here it'll give you a window listing your connection settings etc etc.. Configuration: should be DHCP if you are using DHCP otherwise it will be Static IP [10:31] <cwarner> Mittens87, ok [10:32] <Mittens87> shit now the network connections arent even loading hold on i'm gonna restart [10:32] <cwarner> Mittens87, you shouldn't need to restart [10:32] <blueyed> can I switch somehow to a pts that I see with "w"? [10:34] <cwarner> firefox has severe mem leaks [10:34] <cwarner> and I need some kernel backports :-) [10:35] <siimo> cwarner, no it doesnt [10:35] <Mez> doubt we'll ever backport the kernel cwarner [10:35] <phixion> cwarner - running 1.0.6? [10:35] <Mez> cwarner, not Charles Warner? [10:35] <cwarner> yes.. firefox does.. [10:35] <cwarner> Christopher [10:35] <Mez> ah fair enough, my old boss (sort of) was Charles Warner :D [10:35] <siimo> it must be your config, it works fine here no leaks [10:35] <hybrid_goth> musicman2059: i just apt-get install xfce4 and it worked [10:36] <phixion> lol [10:36] <cwarner> hah.. well then my name is Charles.. lets get some kernel backporting [10:36] <raven3x7> cwarner hmmm i havent noticed any serious performance issues with firefox on linux. windoze is another story though. if i leave ff running long enough the system becomes unuseable [10:36] <musicman2059> apt-get install isn't possible without an internet connection since XFCE isn't on the CD to begin with. :P [10:36] <Mez> cwarner: the Kernel WILL NOT be backported. [10:36] <Mez> at the current point in time [10:36] <siimo> but i run the official builds of firefox, not ubuntu builds [10:36] <phixion> hey Mez, you in birmingham? [10:36] <Mez> and cwarner if your name is charles, you owe me money [10:37] <Mez> phixion, yes, sort of, why [10:37] <phixion> < telford :-) [10:37] <phixion> not far from b'ham [10:37] <Mez> <-- tamworth, not far from B'ham either [10:37] <phixion> :D [10:37] <phixion> ah near the safari park? [10:37] <phixion> thats in tamworth isnt it? [10:37] <Mez> o_O [10:37] <Mez> Drayton Manor you're thinking of [10:38] <phixion> oh ye [10:38] <phixion> well, one of em :) [10:38] <phixion> used to go to em as a kid [10:38] <cwarner> i'll have to roll my own kernel then.. [10:38] <cwarner> ahhh god.. here we go.. [10:38] <Mez> cwarner, you can backport it yourself: just we wont backport it officially [10:39] <cwarner> yeah i'll have to backport I just need a couple patches anyway.. i can't wait till october.. hows breezy coming? [10:40] <raven3x7> anyone have any idea why compiling nvidia 6111 kernel module succeds but it fails to insert it and then aborts installation? [10:40] <raven3x7> on hoary [10:40] <Brian_Boruma> raven3x7 well the thing is i have and igp because its running from my laptop it is an rs200M [10:40] <mika5> tu [11:09] (LasseL/#ubuntu) the trick is of course that modern "2d" programs utilize the 3d pipeline [11:10] (kemik/#ubuntu) cwarner: k, then maybe he just did something wrong [11:10] <Brian_Boruma> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure must be run as root [11:10] <Brian_Boruma> bash: dpkg-reconfig: command not found [11:10] <Brian_Boruma> am i not doing this correctly?| [11:10] <kemik> LasseL: use fglrx then, i'd say it would be the easiest way [11:10] <windex> dpkg-reconfigure [11:10] <windex> Brian_Boruma: it needs to be run with 'sudo' in front of it [11:11] <kemik> Brian_Boruma: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [11:11] <cwarner> kemik, well its a command line thing... i don't believe its something you can set up from ubuntu.. so hes not to blame.. maybe someoen should write a util or maybe someone already has [11:12] <kemik> ok.. [11:12] <kemik> im not pro-ati or nvidia tho [11:12] <LasseL> FYI: the current and to a greater degree the next version of java uses all OpenGL to draw graphics with -- really fast if the drivers are good enough [11:12] <vassie> hello all [11:12] <kemik> i was thinking of getting a nvidia card for my next box, but since he had such a hassle with the drivers i guess im sticking with ATi [11:12] <cwarner> i'm biased.. so you'll have to pardon me.. [11:12] <windex> lassel: for 2d, you want the driver with the least possible mucking about while writing to video memory, basically. [11:12] <colmore> Is there an app I can run that will tell me if I'm using hardware acceleration for openGL or not? [11:13] <cwarner> kemik, thats fine.. use what works for you [11:14] <LasseL> windex, I am just saying that you can't tell if an applications is 2D or 3D anymore [11:14] <telemaco> i upgrade from hoary to breezy and in breezy there isn't a mkfontdir command , anyone can help me ? [11:14] <windex> lassel: except for the lag rendering complex screens in 2d or the lag rendering 3d? :D [11:15] <kemik> telemaco: check topic ;) [11:15] <LasseL> well, after i changed from metacity to openbox i am actually happy about performance [11:16] <windex> lassel: lag with window managers is the fault of the window manager -- more complex, more lag. [11:16] <crispynix-v6> LasseL: ugh, are you serious? even though I just got a new cooler for my card, I don't *want* java apps to use OpenGL. How to turn it off? [11:17] <LasseL> crispynix-v6, 1) why could you want to turn it off. 2) in java 5 it is off by default :) [11:17] <telemaco> kemik: yeah , i know ... but i develop a ubuntu distro based and i need breezy :) [11:17] <Razor-X> windex: wow, you help for ages [11:17] <Razor-X> telemaco: can't you custom add the packages? [11:17] <crispynix-v6> LasseL: anything OpenGL puts my card into 3D mode (i.e. higher clocks, more heat) [11:17] <windex> Razor-X: technically i calling this working, to make up for the dozen cd's i just ordered from shipit. [11:17] <crispynix-v6> LasseL: that's okay for gaming (on and off), but not okay for apps (that I might run for a while longer) [11:18] <Razor-X> windex: .... mmmkay [11:18] <LasseL> crispynix-v6, because of the noise? [11:18] <Razor-X> i'm on vacation, after finals [11:18] <Razor-X> the course is easy, but hell, the guy grades hard as _fsck_ [11:18] <crispynix-v6> LasseL: no, the heat; the new cooler is quite quiet [11:18] <telemaco> Razor-X: what do you mean ? [11:18] <cwarner> Mittens87, i'm sorry but i must leave.. hopefully your network connectivity problems are relegated to a faulty cable or hardware or something [11:18] <Razor-X> telemaco: if you're making an Ubuntu based distro, A) Stability should be better than bleeding edge and B) Packages specifically in Breezy can be incorporated in by yourself [11:19] <windex> Razor-X: i am also hoping my helping people in here will catch me up to speed on ubuntu specifics since i am hoping to suggest a customer install it over windows. :D [11:19] <stan-am> hello everyone [11:19] <Razor-X> windex: nice ;) [11:19] <stan-am> can anyone give me a hand with a script? [11:19] <PrimoTurbo> How do I mount my c drive so I access it? [11:19] <PrimoTurbo> Someone help me pls... [11:19] <Razor-X> PrimoTurbo: what's the fs type on it? [11:19] <PrimoTurbo> ntsf [11:20] <PrimoTurbo> windows xp [11:20] <Razor-X> PrimoTurbo: ll hlp u XD [11:20] <PrimoTurbo> c:\ [11:20] <nariman> is redhat easier to use than ubuntu [11:20] <Razor-X> PrimoTurbo: ntsf? [11:20] <PrimoTurbo> thnx :) [11:20] <PrimoTurbo> yes [11:20] <windex> ntfs.. is read-only in linux, PrimoTurbo. :) [11:20] <Razor-X> XD [11:20] <Razor-X> sorry, sorry [11:20] <PrimoTurbo> that's fine [11:20] <nariman> when it comes to install files and apps [11:20] <PrimoTurbo> all I need is read only [11:20] <stan-am> hey razor-x wanna give me a hand? [11:20] <raven3x7> nariman not really imho [11:20] <other|study> windex: no it's not [11:20] <Razor-X> PrimoTurbo: sudo mount /dev/path/to/drive /mnt/existing/mount/point [11:20] <stan-am> its just a basic script [11:20] <Brian_Boruma> raven3x7 how do i know what my bus identifier is for my Laptop Video [11:20] <windex> other|study: the writing driver causes all kinds of hell. [11:21] <LasseL> PrimoTurbo, /dev/hda1 /media/win_c ntfs ro,dmask=0222,fmask=0333 0 0 [11:21] <Brian_Boruma> it is telling me pci:1:5:0 [11:21] <Brian_Boruma> but i thought it was AGP [11:21] <other|study> windex: so ;) [11:21] <windex> other|study: thus i tell everyone it is readonly. [11:21] <LasseL> PrimoTurbo, from my /etc/fstab -- remember to create the folder you mount to and run "sudo mount -a" after you edit the file [11:21] <stan-am> im trying to install Mercury messenger and im getting the following error message "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ClassFormatError: com.dMSN.Main (erroneous class name)" [11:21] <windex> other|study: it automatically prevents people from being dumb by default. [11:21] <Razor-X> am I the only one that still uses /mnt as mount-points? [11:21] <stan-am> does anyone know what im talking about? [11:21] <telemaco> Razor-X: a ) the estable version of my distro now exist (www.molinux.info) and is based in hoary , now i want to begin the next version beezy based , b ) i need sleep and don't work more ... hard week ;) [11:22] <Razor-X> guess it's legacy still stuck in me ;) [11:22] <other|study> windex: lol i think you can't prevent that ;) [11:22] <PrimoTurbo> huh this is confusing me do I need to edit any part of Razor-X posted? [11:22] <windex> other|study: I CAN TRY! [11:22] <PrimoTurbo> sorry I'm new [11:22] <other|study> lol [11:22] <windex> PrimoTurbo: that depends on many factors that im sure Razor-X would be happy to go over with you. [11:22] <Brian_Boruma> Razor-X can you provide me with some assistance [11:22] <raven3x7> Brian_Boruma, i have never had a laptop unfortunatly. im not sure what bus integrated cards occupy. lcpi might tell you [11:22] <stan-am> im trying to install Mercury messenger and im getting the following error message "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ClassFormatError: com.dMSN.Main (erroneous class name)" [11:23] <Brian_Boruma> i am int the proccess of re configuring my xserver.xorg video setup [11:23] <stan-am> can anyone help me???? [11:23] <LasseL> PrimoTurbo, what Razor-X posted will mount it once. What I posted will mount it automatically when you boot [11:23] <windex> other|study: i'd rather tell them its readonly than tell them it can do either and then have them obliterate their disk. [11:23] <PrimoTurbo> I want it to mount it when I reboot [11:23] <telemaco> stan-am: you can use amsn and gaim for msn conections , why don't use one of this ? [11:24] <windex> other|study: i tried using it rw once for a read-only job (didn't specify flags) and it managed to kill the thing. luckily i had copied all of my important data off of it. [11:24] <other|study> lol nice [11:24] <LasseL> !repos [11:24] <ubotu> I guess repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [11:24] <streetbmx> hello [11:25] <windex> ok [11:25] <PrimoTurbo> I don't think I have /etc/fstab [11:25] <Razor-X> PrimoTurbo: you do [11:25] <windex> right now is the end of my workday on friday [11:25] <Brian_Boruma> do i want to use Kernel framebuffer device [11:25] <windex> even though i'm self employed. [11:25] <Razor-X> PrimoTurbo: cat /etc/fstab [11:25] <Brian_Boruma> ? [11:25] <Razor-X> windex: XD [11:25] <windex> so i'll be leaving now, kids. :) thanks for entertaining me. [11:25] <LasseL> PrimoTurbo, "sudo gedit /etc/fstab" from a prompt [11:25] <vader1102> Right now I am drinking a beer windex lol [11:25] <Razor-X> for people who don't understand the Linux partitioning scheme, I encourage you people to _read_ [11:25] <Razor-X> XD [11:25] <PrimoTurbo> oh i see it's a file [11:25] <paper-sith> razor-x: need a little help w/ gnome-app-install. it will not open [11:26] <Razor-X> although, that's one of those arcane obsolete arts [11:26] <Razor-X> paper-sith: gnome-app-install? [11:26] <Razor-X> I don't have Gnome experience *shrugs* [11:26] <windex|aways> vader1102: yeah but i'd like to be sober if i actually get a customer call. not having a normal day job anymore would make it very easy for me to consider drinking. a lot. [11:26] <Razor-X> PrimoTurbo: there is no such thing as file extensions in Linux [11:26] <Razor-X> there's no ``fstab.txt'' [11:26] <streetbmx> how is ubuntu's support for laptops? [11:26] <Brian_Boruma> Razor-X [11:26] <vader1102> windex: lol [11:26] <Brian_Boruma> do i want to use Kernel framebuffer device [11:26] <PrimoTurbo> now I know [11:26] <Razor-X> Linux is extension free, that way you can't confuse a progam by changing the file extension [11:26] <PrimoTurbo> thanks [11:27] <Razor-X> benplaut: you have a regexp to cut my hair? ;) [11:27] <windex|aways> Razor-X: not entirely true, some apps do use extensions, they just don't matter _at all_ in linux. [11:27] <benplaut> yup [11:27] <paper-sith> razor-x: thanks anyways [11:27] <Razor-X> windex|aways: that's why _Linux_ is extension free [11:27] <benplaut> you pay shipping :P [11:27] <Razor-X> some apps do use it [11:27] <Razor-X> like .run files [11:27] <windex|aways> anyway [11:27] <windex|aways> buh bye. [11:27] <Razor-X> or .tar.gz [11:27] <Razor-X> yeah, see yah windex|aways [11:27] <PrimoTurbo> I need to reboot I guess I edited fstab and added what I was told to [11:27] <PrimoTurbo> brb [11:27] <Razor-X> PrimoTurbo: no, you don't need to reboot [11:28] <Razor-X> at least, I don't think so [11:28] <kemik> just mount [11:28] <LasseL> PrimoTurbo, please take the time to read what we write to you [11:28] <Razor-X> in Linux, you rarely _ever_ need to reboot [11:28] <PrimoTurbo> ohh [11:28] <Razor-X> rebooting is a Windows thing that wastes to much time [11:28] <PrimoTurbo> i see my bad [11:28] <digitalfox|DnD> only time is updating a kernel [11:28] <Razor-X> s/to/too/ [11:29] <Razor-X> the only time I had to reboot after changing something was after I changed my default shell ;) [11:29] <PrimoTurbo> so I need to create win_c folder now and then sudo mount -a [11:29] <Razor-X> PrimoTurbo: yeahp [11:30] <Brian_Boruma> I suck Im going back to windows [11:30] <Razor-X> the mount point needs to exits [11:30] <Razor-X> Brian_Boruma: Windows gives me headaches [11:30] <Razor-X> ;) [11:30] <Razor-X> I get stuck in Windows, too damn neanderthalic for me [11:30] <Razor-X> heh [11:30] <Brian_Boruma> well im getting a tumor right now [11:30] <PrimoTurbo> crap how can I make a folder exactly when I left click I don't see any option to do so [11:30] <PrimoTurbo> I am in /media/ [11:30] <Razor-X> PrimoTurbo: you ever touched the command line? ;) [11:30] <Razor-X> sudo mkdir /media/win_c [11:30] <PrimoTurbo> yes [11:30] <kemik> PrimoTurbo: in terminal: mkdir [foldername] [11:30] <PrimoTurbo> alright [11:30] <PrimoTurbo> rm to remove right [11:31] <PrimoTurbo> or is that for files [11:31] <Razor-X> yeah [11:31] <kemik> yes [11:31] <Razor-X> cp to copy [11:31] <kemik> rm -rf folder [11:31] <Razor-X> mv to move [11:31] <HiddenWolf> I've just installed xfce on ubuntu, and I'd like gdm to go straight to xfce without asking for a password. How can i set this? [11:31] <kemik> mv rename [11:31] <PrimoTurbo> I see thnx [11:31] <Razor-X> and thnx isn't an English word ;) [11:31] <PrimoTurbo> mv rename or move? [11:31] <Razor-X> mv == move [11:31] <kemik> (mv is actually move.. but hey, who cares? ;) ) [11:31] <Razor-X> mv _also_ works as rename [11:31] <PrimoTurbo> I see [11:31] <PrimoTurbo> mv sdas sdfasf [11:31] <Razor-X> because if you move one file to another filename it's renamed [11:31] <PrimoTurbo> right? [11:31] <kemik> i guess Razor-X cares :P [11:31] <Razor-X> yeah, exactly [11:32] <Razor-X> kemik: I use shells a lot ;0 [11:32] <Razor-X> s/;0/;)/ [11:32] <hybrid_goth> mv pwns [11:32] <kemik> i do too :) [11:32] <PrimoTurbo> great, I finally got it to work :) [11:32] <PrimoTurbo> thanks [11:32] <ohad> what is the difference between ubuntu and debian? [11:33] <PrimoTurbo> I can't move stuff can I? or it has bad support or something? [11:33] <kemik> PrimoTurbo: what do you mean? [11:33] <PrimoTurbo> like if I have a mp3 I have on linux and I want to move it to mount [11:33] <kemik> you can move your own files etc, but i wouldnt move the systemfiles [11:33] <PrimoTurbo> that's not what I mean [11:33] <PrimoTurbo> I'm talking about the win_c mount I have [11:33] <kemik> PrimoTurbo: you cant write to a NTFS partition f.ex [11:34] <PrimoTurbo> are you sure cause someone said that I can [11:34] <kemik> if you want to write to your windows partition, you'll have to have windows on a FAT32 partition [11:34] <zer> you *can* write to a ntfs-partition...but not create files [11:34] <PrimoTurbo> I see [11:34] <PrimoTurbo> so I can move a mp3 file [11:35] <virtuel> zer, isn't the ntfs support still so experimental the best advice is "don [11:35] <virtuel> 't attempt writing"? [11:35] <kemik> PrimoTurbo: no, its not recommended to write to NTFS [11:35] <PrimoTurbo> I see, i'll avoid it then [11:35] <PrimoTurbo> thanks for you help the 10 people that helped me [11:35] <zer> sure, you should avoid to do things like that :) [11:36] <JadeRobbins> OMG [11:36] <JadeRobbins> a guy on the forums helped me get my laptop working [11:36] <JadeRobbins> i'm so excited i could pee my pants [11:36] <PrimoTurbo> now to get battlefield 2 running [11:36] <PrimoTurbo> on linux [11:36] <kemik> JadeRobbins: dont let us stop you :P [11:36] <JadeRobbins> har har [11:36] <Random_Sindrom> which starter bar is better in gnome? [11:36] <kemik> PrimoTurbo: is there a linux install for it ? or are you planning to use Cedega? [11:39] <PrimoTurbo> I don't think there is linux support for it but it more or less a joke because the game destroys my system [11:39] <lasindi> Hello, I'm having trouble dual-booting Windows and Kubuntu (I had the same issue with Ubuntu). I installed it, and now when I try to boot Windows, a blue screen pops up for half a second and then the computer restarts. [11:39] <PrimoTurbo> to play it well you need at least 2 gb of ram [11:40] <PrimoTurbo> cause it's so poorly coded when compared to other games in similar landscape size like ut2k4 [11:40] <lasindi> Does anyone know what's going on? [11:40] <benplaut> lasindi: was it a fresh install of Win? [11:40] <LasseL> lasindi, bad news: that will be hard to fix without reinstalling windows. good news: you wont miss it a bit :p [11:40] <benplaut> lol [11:40] <PrimoTurbo> fdisk /mbr [11:40] <lasindi> So, I need to reinstall Windows now? [11:41] <benplaut> :/ [11:41] <PrimoTurbo> you might have to [11:41] <lasindi> benplaut, not quite. I installed SP1 and upgraded to SP2. [11:41] <PrimoTurbo> check the error on google maybe it's something u can fix [11:41] <LasseL> lasindi, that worst thing about it that reinstalling windows will kill your dual-boot configuration [11:41] <kemik> yup.. not worth the hassle lasindi [11:42] <kemik> use the freespace for linux instead ;) [11:42] <PrimoTurbo> you can't avoid windows 100% [11:42] <lasindi> I'm not quite following ... [11:42] <Firetech> how can I mount a partition with ISO 8859-1 charset (old data)? [11:42] <kemik> on my wishlist: online-pokerclients for linux! [11:42] <LasseL> lasindi, try pressing F8 (?) during startup and boot into "safe mode" [11:42] <kemik> PrimoTurbo: why not ? [11:42] <PrimoTurbo> because gaming is impossible [11:42] <phixion> yeah kemik... trying to get partypoker.com client working :/ [11:43] <PrimoTurbo> the preformance is too poor for emulation [11:43] <kemik> phixion: i've used Expekt.com client with Wine.. missed sound, but worked apart fomr that [11:43] <PrimoTurbo> but it's not 100% [11:43] <LasseL> PrimoTurbo, I agree with you. But not everybody is gamers [11:43] <PrimoTurbo> true [11:43] <phixion> well, I'm guessing I need partypoker.com client to work to get on their servers :/ [11:43] <PrimoTurbo> that's the only downfall imo [11:43] <kemik> PrimoTurbo: alot of gamers have used Cedega or Wine with good performance in games [11:43] <phixion> i have wine and cedega, it didnt work on either [11:43] <PrimoTurbo> but it's not as fast as windows [11:44] <PrimoTurbo> so why use something that's slower [11:44] <kemik> PrimoTurbo: friend of mine even had better performance in WoW using Cedega than windows [11:44] <lasindi> LasseL, same thing happens with safe mode [11:44] <phixion> PrimoTurbo, wrong, some games run faster in Linux [11:44] <PrimoTurbo> some games [11:44] <PrimoTurbo> like quake3 or doom3 i'm guessing [11:44] <lasindi> So what did I do wrong when I installed Ubuntu? [11:44] <PrimoTurbo> but most games don't run at all so u need to emulate and that is slower [11:44] <kemik> phixion: threaten to withdraw your money if they dont make a linux-client [11:45] <LasseL> lasindi, hard to say. maybe windows just broke down on you. seen that before [11:45] <kemik> phixion: what bugs me the most is that the B2B network has a java-based client, but only for windows afaik :/// [11:45] <lasindi> LasseL, it only breaks on me when I install ubuntu or kubuntu. [11:45] <lasindi> It was working perfectly before. [11:45] <PrimoTurbo> is there anyway they can add windows support to linux so you could run everything with out emulation or am I so far out that it's stupid [11:45] <phixion> kemik, i only play with play-chips :) [11:45] <LasseL> kemik, a windows only java program -- those are quite rare :) [11:45] <lasindi> Wouldn't this have something to do with the boot loader? [11:46] <kemik> phixion: oh, just try out expekt instead then :) [11:46] <PrimoTurbo> lasindi how do you install it? [11:46] <PrimoTurbo> did you make a seperate partition [11:46] <phixion> kemik, i have friends that play on partypoker.com :() [11:46] <lasindi> PrimoTurbo, I had Windows installed on a partition that left about 10 GB of free space on the hard drive. [11:46] <kemik> LasseL: they've compiled it to .exe files... go figure [11:46] <OiPenguin> Anyone: Error: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. [11:46] <lasindi> in the Ubuntu installer, I had it install on the "remaining free space" [11:46] <PrimoTurbo> alright [11:46] <kemik> phixion: ah i c :/ [11:46] <PrimoTurbo> what is the error you get [11:47] <PrimoTurbo> or is it too fast to see it? [11:47] <LasseL> kemik, usually they just compile a launcher and the jar files are still there. You just need to figure out which on to call [11:47] <PrimoTurbo> because if it's windows xp then it's very rare that windows fucks up by itself when installing linux [11:48] <PrimoTurbo> the only time I've messed up windows when installing linux is partioning from windows [11:48] <lasindi> PrimoTurbo, a blue screen just flashes up and then disappears as it restarts. [11:48] <GammaRay> I've had it happen two times myself [11:48] <shadeofgrey> Hi guys! [11:48] <lasindi> GammaRay, you've had this same problem? [11:48] <PrimoTurbo> do u have anything important on the windows partition [11:49] <kemik> LasseL: belive me, you cant [11:49] <GammaRay> both times it suddenly cound not find a .dll right after I installed linux on another parimary partition [11:49] <lasindi> No, but I don't know what I did wrong. [11:49] <PrimoTurbo> is it ntsf or fat32? [11:49] <GammaRay> lasindi: dunno.. lemme actually look [11:49] <lasindi> ntsf [11:49] <PrimoTurbo> hmm [11:49] <PrimoTurbo> it's possible you didn't do anything wrong [11:49] <shadeofgrey> Listen I was wondering... its possible to run windows programs like dreamweaver mx 2004 and mirc on ubuntu sysstems right? which program should i use to accomplish this, wine or winex? [11:50] <PrimoTurbo> but some how linux or windows fucked up [11:50] <kemik> LasseL: Can jag installera pokerns software bde p en PC och en Mac? [11:50] <kemik> Nej, pokerns software fungrar bara p PC. Softwaren fungerar inte p Mac eftersom de inte kan hantera Java-program. Detta inkluderar ocks Linux-anvndare. <- i guess you can read that ;) [11:50] <PrimoTurbo> lasindi can u read anything on the blue screen? [11:50] <kemik> (of course, they're silly saying that Mac/Linux cant handle JAva-programs.. hehe) [11:50] <PrimoTurbo> do u have a digital camera? [11:51] <PrimoTurbo> try taking a picture if it's too fast [11:51] <GammaRay> lasindi: no I've never had that specific problem. [11:51] <PrimoTurbo> so u know what error it is [11:51] <PrimoTurbo> Because it's hard to know what happened unless we know what error you are getting [11:51] <lasindi> PrimoTurbo, let me try again [11:51] <phixion> kemik, i just emailed partypoker :) maybe some compliments thrown their way will help them make a linux based client :) [11:52] <LasseL> kemik, you know which compiler they use? This: http://www.excelsior-usa.com ? [11:52] <bitkrom> what are backports? [11:52] <Grid_block> hey all just got myselft gnome sudoku 0.2 ... how do i install it? [11:52] <Mez> !backports [11:52] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [11:52] <LasseL> Yes, but what are they [11:53] <Mez> lol [11:53] <kemik> phixion: one can only hope :) [11:53] <Mez> I assumed tht would exmplain [11:53] <kemik> LasseL: no idea [11:53] <shellhack> hey someone I need help I cant see my wmv videos [11:53] <LasseL> and why is the "official" ones better than the old ones [11:53] <Seveas> shellhack: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support [11:53] <LasseL> which someone in here had me disable because the "sucked" [11:53] <Seveas> LasseL, because the servers are more reliable [11:53] <Mez> backports are basically upgrades to current versions [11:53] <Seveas> and the quality of backports has improved a lot since the project started [11:54] <Mez> LasseL, ?? [11:54] <shellhack> i just cant see it wmv videos [11:54] <LasseL> Seveas, the ftp server is less likely to crash ? [11:54] <lasindi> PrimoTurbo, no, it's just too fast [11:54] <Seveas> LasseL, they are now on the Ubuntu master servers :) [11:54] <shellhack> seveas: I just need to play wmv format [11:54] <Mez> yes, and also, the fact that they will be building in a buildd means that you can get them on all archs, rather than ones we can get our team to build [11:54] <Seveas> shellhack, then you need to read that page, it explains how to do that [11:54] <LasseL> Seveas, but backports is "stuff from breezy on hoary" ? [11:55] <Seveas> LasseL, correct [11:55] <phixion> Mez, if i add the official backports to my repositories list, would it be wise to sudo apt-get upgrade? oits listing a few files for me to upgrade [11:55] <AdmiralSenn> hey everyone [11:55] <Mez> phixion, yes, as the official backprots are of a higher quality than the unofficial [11:55] <LasseL> Seveas, and if I don't add them I won't get upgrades? My firefox got upgraded, but that was just a security fix .. [11:55] <shellhack> seveas: thanks [11:56] <phixion> ok thanks Mez [11:56] <Seveas> LasseL, you get all security upgrades if you don't add them... [11:56] <imaek[away] > Is there a small program that I can use to track the activity on a specific interface? [11:56] <bitkrom> are we still using hoary 5.04? [11:56] <Seveas> and regular upgrades only when Ubuntu releases a new version (every 6 months) [11:56] <PrimoTurbo> lasindi: It's too bad [11:56] <pestilence> imaek[away] : tcpdump? [11:56] <Seveas> bitkrom, yes [11:56] <phixion> brb [11:56] <pestilence> imaek[away] : ethereal? [11:56] <PrimoTurbo> lasindi: You can't access safemode? [11:56] <ridejib> are there any applications i can use to monitor for memory leaks? [11:56] <Mez> LasseL, after release, ubuntu only release secuiry updates [11:56] <PrimoTurbo> same error? [11:56] <Seveas> imaek[away] , if you only want bandwith measurements: bwm [11:56] <lasindi> PrimoTurbo, no the same thing happens. [11:57] <pestilence> ridejib: electricfence? [11:57] <pestilence> ridejib: valgrind? [11:57] <PrimoTurbo> I see, often happens also [11:57] <kemik> imaek[away] : iftraf [11:57] <imaek[away] > ok. [11:57] <Mez> LasseL, the backports project solves that by releasing updates that arent neccesarily security updates [11:57] <PrimoTurbo> I'm guessing some file or something got messed up for whatever reason [11:57] <ridejib> pestilence: will these report the application causing the problem? [11:57] <PrimoTurbo> make a mount on ubuntu [11:57] <pestilence> ridejib: oh, i misunderstood you. nevermind. [11:57] <lasindi> brb [11:57] <Landy> anyone noticed their laptop seem to run hotter under Linux? [11:57] <PrimoTurbo> and get all important files u need [11:57] <ridejib> pestilence: no problem [11:58] <PrimoTurbo> and burn them [11:58] <raven3x7> Mez, o"official" backports? [11:58] <PrimoTurbo> do u have a digital camera? [11:58] <ridejib> Landy: a little, but not anything dangerous [11:58] <PrimoTurbo> or even a regular camera [11:58] <ridejib> !bum [11:58] <PrimoTurbo> or even video camera [11:58] <ubotu> ridejib: I don't know, could you explain it? [11:58] <Mez> raven3x7, yes official [11:58] <Mez> !backports [11:58] <ubotu> from memory, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [11:58] <LasseL> Seveas, but what is different from the backports a week ago and the official ones? (except the server change) [11:58] <PrimoTurbo> anyway you can capture that error, because you can search google for it and chances are someone has had that issue a million times already [11:59] <LasseL> a week ago they broke my firefox for several days and I was not a happy camper :) [11:59] <PrimoTurbo> also how did you install ubuntu? [11:59] <Mez> LasseL, the difference is the official ones are awknowledged by Ubuntu, and of higher quality [11:59] <Mez> whereas the unofficial may cause breakages etc [11:59] <lasindi> back [11:59] <Landy> ridejib, so I wasn't imagining it then. My T23 runs fairly warm, getting some thinkpad tools to hopefully check its temp maybe [11:59] <Seveas> s/may/will [11:59] <PrimoTurbo> lasindi: Tell me exactly how u installed it, because I just did it myself and my windows xp works fine [11:59] <LasseL> so it is not the same stuff with a new nametag ? [11:59] <raven3x7> Mez cool [12:00] <ericz> anyone know on average how long it takes for ubuntu install cd's to ship when you order them from shipit.ubuntulinux.org or whatever [12:00] <Seveas> new nametag and better quality :) [12:00] <Mez> LasseL, yes and no

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:37.873145

2005-08-03-#ubuntu-devel

[12:01] <pitti> Nafallo: if you really want to do universe updates again (YAY! :-) ), why not start with something more useful like ethereal= [12:01] <pitti> ? [12:01] <pitti> or clamav, spamassassin, etc. [12:02] <pitti> Nafallo: I'd be fine with the new upstream microrelease for ethereal [12:03] <Nafallo> pitti: mostly cause ethereal made me stop :-/. I can't get that patch down to better sizes and that made me jump off this train for a while :-/. [12:03] <ajmitch> Nafallo: yes, ethereal is a rather evil package for security [12:03] <pitti> Nafallo: as I said, if you package and test 0.10.11, that's fine for me in that case (the upstream release is cautious, and porting 15 patches doesn#t make sense) [12:04] <pitti> ajmitch: that's why it is in universe, although it's highly useful [12:04] <ajmitch> if only phpgroupware didn't take so long to download.. [12:04] <jasoncohen> pitti, why is it an evil package? [12:04] <Nafallo> pitti: oki. I'm sorry I didn't took a chat with you at the time, but now I'm back atleast :-). [12:05] <pitti> jasoncohen: it's just evil security-wise :-) it has a very bad vuln history [12:05] <pitti> Nafallo: no need to be sorry :-) [12:05] <ajmitch> jasoncohen: there are about 20 open CANs for ethereal on that list :) [12:06] <jasoncohen> pitti, ubuntu-cve/fixed.html doesn't show CAN-2005-1921 as being fixed for hoary but it is. see USN-147-1 https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/usn/usn-147-1 [12:06] <Nafallo> pitti: as soon as elmo add my key to the keyring I upload bugzilla for warty-security if that's okey? ;-) [12:07] <pitti> Nafallo: well, warty's universe is a lost cause, but of course it's appreciated :-) [12:07] <jasoncohen> ajmitch, ouch, i didnt' realize ethereal was that bad...what do the security issues involve? [12:07] <Nafallo> pitti: the patch have been done for ages actually ;-) [12:07] <pitti> jasoncohen: most of them are DoS only, but some are exploitable to code exection AFAIK [12:07] <ajmitch> jasoncohen: lots of buggy plugins [12:08] <ajmitch> format string issues, buffer overflows if you're unlucky [12:08] <pitti> jasoncohen: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ubuntu-cve/nonvuln.html [12:08] <pitti> CAN-2005-1921 [12:08] <pitti> php4 (hoary/main, breezy/main) [12:10] <jasoncohen> but USN-147-1 shows CAN-2005-1921 for both hoary & warty [12:10] <pitti> jasoncohen: yes, but php4-pear is in universe for hoary (from php4-universe source package) [12:11] <pitti> jasoncohen: hoary was fixed more as a courtesy while we were at it [12:11] <pitti> and because this was such a nasty one [12:11] <jasoncohen> so libapache2-mod-php4 was never vulnerable in hoary? [12:11] <pitti> nope [12:12] <pitti> well, not against that XMLRPC issue at least :-) [12:14] <jasoncohen> pitti, what are the hardest packages to backport security fixes for other than mozilla & firefox? [12:14] <pitti> hmmm [12:14] <pitti> jasoncohen: squid is relatively hard [12:15] <pitti> and I had some pretty hairy samba patches [12:15] <pitti> postgresql was nontrivial, too, but luckily I'm the Debian maintainer :-) [12:16] <ajmitch> pitti: phpgroupware has 0.9.16.005-1 in hoary, 0.9.16.006-1 in debian, do you want only security fixes backported? [12:17] <pitti> ajmitch: yes, is it so hard? [12:17] <ajmitch> not terribly hard [12:17] <ajmitch> since I know the upstream source [12:17] <Amaranth> nice [12:17] <pitti> I don't want to get more sloppy with upstream versions than now [12:17] <ajmitch> ok [12:17] <Amaranth> i have a 4 line python script that loads up a glade file, shouldn't have any problems right? [12:17] <Amaranth> i managed to crash it due to the stupidity that is bonobo docks [12:17] <jasoncohen> pitti, so, how long is too long for security updates? even on hoary, it took quite a while to get firefox updates (over 2 weeks) [12:18] <pitti> jasoncohen: because I [12:18] <pitti> spent a whole week with backporting [12:18] <jasoncohen> heh, ouch [12:18] <pitti> that shouldn't happen any more with new upstream versions [12:18] <Amaranth> ooh, this is even reproducable [12:18] <pitti> jasoncohen: the minimal patches were > 200 KB in total [12:18] <jasoncohen> when would you have had 1.0.6 out if you just had to package the new upstream release? [12:19] <pitti> on the very day I guess [12:19] <pitti> updating warty took me three days [12:19] <pitti> because 0.9.3 -> 1.0.6 is a hell of a lot of changes [12:19] <jasoncohen> 53 CANs [12:19] <pitti> but for hoary it was rather trivial [12:19] <pitti> jasoncohen: also because I had to update all language packs and stuff [12:20] <pitti> and sort out ancient patches [12:21] <Nafallo> pitti: why does ubuntu-cve say debian's ethereal is vulnerable? :-) [12:21] <pitti> Nafallo: because they didn't put CANs in the changelogs [12:21] <pitti> and I didn't manually add them to my db [12:21] <pitti> (well, I can't do that for Debian anyway) [12:21] <Nafallo> pitti: hehe, oki :-) [12:27] <doko> Kamion, mdz: python-qt3 was demoted to universe, although it's a build-dep for hplip [12:28] <mdz> doko: it's been in universe since warty from what I see [12:29] <mdz> doko: also, hplip is in universe right now (only hplip-base is in main) [12:29] <doko> mdz: my mistake, wrong merge [12:29] <mdz> doko: thanks for getting hplip into shape [12:30] <doko> mdz: currently scanning doesn't work, with ort without running as root [12:30] <mdz> oh [12:30] <mdz> that's not very good [12:30] <mdz> did you add hplip to scanner? [12:31] <Mez> mdz, tseng's willing to help us backport mono stuff, is that cool with you? [12:31] <mdz> Mez: in breezy, or as a fork? [12:32] <doko> Mez: if that results in a buildable ironpython ... [12:32] <Mez> mdz: from breezy [12:32] <Mez> to hoary [12:32] <mdz> Mez: yes, certainly [12:32] <Mez> mdz: apparently, the current mono stuff had already been made to work in hoary (cause they wanted to release a mono livecd) [12:32] <Mez> so, it just needs backporting in the right order and stuff [12:33] <Mez> doko: I have no idea what that is, so I'm not gonna comment [12:33] <ajmitch> doko: well, we don't even have ironpython in breezy yet :) [12:34] <doko> ajmitch: yes, because it doesn't build :-/ [12:34] <ajmitch> doko: great, I see you were the ITP filer.. does it not build with the mono in sid? [12:36] <doko> ajmitch: I'll send you and tseng my current packaging, then you test it ;-P [12:36] <ajmitch> doko: ok, it might be a good plan to put it in pkg-mono svn :) [12:37] <doko> mdz: adding hplip to scanner doesn't help, will look at it later [12:42] <Nafallo> I better goto sleep now that all three gerbils sleep in the same pile :-) [12:42] <Nafallo> see you all tomorrow! :-) [12:49] <pitti> night everybody [12:57] <lamont> elmo: ^^^ [12:58] <elmo> because it's a PoS that doesn't work [12:58] <lamont> I'll pass that along to taggart [12:58] <elmo> I've told him about it [12:58] <lamont> did we intentionally strip it? [12:58] <elmo> yes [12:58] <lamont> ok [12:58] <elmo> it false negatives [12:59] <elmo> we can pull it into universe if you really want, I just don't want it in main [12:59] <lamont> what's a good alternative? [12:59] <lamont> if none, lets go for universe, I guess [01:00] <lamont> (bdale is playing with a machine, you see...) [01:01] <elmo> you really want the HP propreitary gunk [01:01] <elmo> but it doesn't work asa daemon [01:01] <elmo> or rather it does, but doesn't log to syslog [01:02] <Mez> elmo, can you kick ff from backports, and add mono please [01:02] <elmo> mez: pls mail me [01:02] <Mez> elmo: kk [01:02] <Mez> sorry [01:16] <hughsie> ogra: ping? [01:16] <ogra> hughsie, ? [01:17] <hughsie> ogra: you may or may not be aware that libnotify released 0.2.1 today [01:18] <hughsie> 0.2.0 was released yesterday, but had some dbus bugs we squashed [01:18] <ogra> hughsie, you may or may not be aware that libnotify entered our archive today ;) [01:18] <hughsie> okay, nice one. [01:18] <ogra> 0.2.1-0ubuntu1 [01:18] <ogra> :) [01:18] <hughsie> quicker than me :-) [01:18] <ajmitch> looks like seb uploaded 0.2.1 very soon after 0.2.0 [01:19] <ogra> thast seb128 .... dont get in his way *g* [01:19] <hughsie> you can build g-p-m with --enable-libnotify for all the new goodness [01:19] <ogra> yeah, i'll do [01:19] <hughsie> you'll need notification-daemon as well for it to work [01:20] <hughsie> ogra: i've seen some of the ubuntu/debian patches that create a debian directory in the source tarball [01:20] <hughsie> is that for every package? [01:20] <ogra> yep [01:20] <ogra> a debian package consists of: [01:20] <hughsie> should it be upstream? is it easier that way [01:21] <ogra> the orig.tar.gz file (original source ) [01:21] <hughsie> k [01:21] <ogra> the diff.gz (all distro changes and the debian dir) [01:21] <Mez> ogra, did youy archive php4-universe [01:21] <ogra> and a .dsc file that describes the two... [01:21] <ogra> Mez, nope [01:22] <Mez> just wondering cause you mentioned about ti going into main [01:22] <Mez> weird... [01:22] <hughsie> ogra: cool, okay, so non of the /debian stuff is easier in package? [01:22] <ogra> hughsie, i wouldnt mix upstream source and debian dir [01:23] <hughsie> ogra: cool, i'm new to all this debian stuff [01:23] <ajmitch> having the debian dir in upstream can be limiting [01:23] <hughsie> ajmitch, ok, thanks. [01:23] <ogra> except i develop it explicitly for this distro ... but if outher debian based distros want to package it differen mixing upstream source and packaging stuff can get odd [01:24] <hughsie> ogra: could you (do you want to) package cvs g-p-m or shall I release 0.1.1? [01:24] <ogra> hughsie, as you like... [01:24] <ogra> i can do both... [01:24] <hughsie> ogra: cvs is churning with new stuff at the moment [01:24] <ogra> i think we'll have to wait a bit for dbus... [01:24] <hughsie> i'll let it settle then do 0.1.1? [01:25] <hughsie> okay, define "bit" [01:25] <ogra> daniels is the guy who modularizes X [01:25] <ogra> he's 4/5 throught... i dont know if he can make dbus inbetween [01:25] <ogra> s/throught/through [01:26] <hughsie> ogra: okay, cool. I'll just keep hacking [01:26] <hughsie> you seen the hal patches I've sent recently? [01:26] <ogra> i must admit i havent looked deeply... [01:27] <ogra> but i saw you sent patches :) [01:27] <hughsie> cool, i'm putting lots of the clever logic in hal so that other projects (like battstat-applet can use them [01:29] <hughsie> ogra: I sleep now, I'll catch you guys tmw. [01:29] <ogra> ah yes, i saw the request from ryan [01:29] <ogra> hughsie, great, see you around :) [01:29] <hughsie> cool. thanks mate [02:08] <Mez> cause daniels = god ? [02:09] <mrd`> Possibly. [02:09] <mrd`> But... I didn't think I updated any packages that could have fixed it. [02:10] <Mez> mrd`, it must have been magic(tm) then [02:11] <mrd`> Hm, I did upgrade gnome-session... that could have done it. [02:20] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, hey- you were right about needing gnome-menus 2.10.2 [02:21] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i logged back in and now the multimedia menu is gone, and several menu entries that didn't show up before are now present. in addition i can delete menu entries whereas i couldn't before [02:21] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, this is only a problem with the official backports server because the unofficial mirrors have gnome-menus and libgnome-menus 2.10.2 [02:24] <Mez> jasoncohen, I can make a special request to James to sort that out [02:24] <jasoncohen> thanks [02:26] <jasoncohen> Mez, can you get mozilla-mplayer 2.85 into breezy. it's already in sid [02:28] <jasoncohen> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/mozilla-mplayer [02:28] <jasoncohen> it's been in sid for over a month [02:28] <jasoncohen> and 2.75 was uploaded in May [02:31] <jasoncohen> anyone here know if the official firefox build can upgrade properly using the included upgrade functionality? the last time i tried it didn't find 1.0.6 and i had to diownload it and install it manually [02:31] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, contat ogra about mozilla-mplayer [02:32] <Mez> jasoncohen, ask in -motu [02:33] <jasoncohen> ok [02:35] <jasoncohen> Mez, i'd like to see a gtk2 version of 2.85 in breezy if possible [02:35] <Mez> jasoncohen, tired :d talk later [02:35] <jasoncohen> ok [02:42] <j^> what happend to network-manager? [02:42] <j^> 0.4.1+cvs20050618-3 is totaly broken [02:42] <Burgundavia> yes [02:43] <Burgundavia> the changelog says that [02:43] <j^> Unfortunately these changes are not properly [02:43] <j^> tested :-(. [02:43] <j^> thats not is totaly broken [02:45] <j^> any plans to unbreak it? [02:45] <Burgundavia> ian is working on it [02:46] <jasoncohen> now that ubuntu is packaging the latest upstream release, can they use the real firefox icon? [02:46] <mrd`> It's still patched, isn't it? [02:47] <jasoncohen> will they be patching it in addition to providing upstream releases? [02:47] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, no idea [02:48] <jasoncohen> i have no idea why but browsing feels faster on the official build v. the ubuntu 1.0.6 build. i can't explain it [02:48] <jasoncohen> the ubuntu version seems to freeze for a second between switching pages. the official build doesn't [02:49] <wm_eddie> I think there might be a bug in shipit's zip code field. Anyone know who I can e-mail to let them know? [02:50] <wm_eddie> (My zipcode is 00976 and the label on the packaging said 976 and the USPS had a really hard time getting it to where it had to go. [02:59] <sladen> wm_eddie: mail mako [03:00] <wm_eddie> ok. [03:18] <Amaranth> jasoncohen, Mez: It's amazing how much of a difference it makes, isn't it? (gnome-menus) [03:19] <Mez> Amaranth, meh [03:19] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, what do you mean? [03:19] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: about an hour ago jasoncohen was telling me how much of a difference gnome-menus 2.10.2 made as far as things working [03:20] <Burgundavia> ah [03:20] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: btw, the patches for GNOME integration make it impossible to use the official branding [03:20] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: for firefox, that is [03:24] <astronut> I'm using the live cd to see how well linux handles all of my laptop's hardware....i fixed the PCMIA bus by modifying some PCI stuff, but to get the full features ofmy touchpad, i have to patch the kernel..how can i do this on a live cd? (Can i create a custem kernel on floppy, or reburn the cd, etc) [03:26] <OddAbe19> what's the safest (or best) upgrade to breezy at the moment? Dist-upgrade or upgrade? What breakage would dist-upgrade bring versus upgrade? [03:27] <sladen> astronut: you shouldn't /have/ to patch your kernel; is it a synaptics touchpad? [03:28] <astronut> sladen, alps, see /usr/share/doc/xorg-(synaptics driver somethign)/README.alps [03:28] <Lathiat> astronut: yeh you dont need to patch the kernel [03:28] <Lathiat> astronut: just need to modify your X config [03:29] <Lathiat> astronut: if you restart X with SHMConfig, you can use the 'tpconfig' to play with the values live, the default values for alps arent too great [03:29] <astronut> Lathiat, it won't detect as a synatpics [03:29] <Lathiat> astronut: you sure [03:29] <astronut> it works, but won't do the scroll....i tried forcing synaptics, dmsesg said not one [03:29] <astronut> Lathiat, oh, i've played a while [03:29] <astronut> it uses generic drivers to act as just a mouse [03:30] <astronut> what's SHMConfig/tpconfig? [03:30] <astronut> not on the live cd... [03:30] <Mez> hmm, I've just realisede how godamn hot my gf is :S [03:30] <Mez> hehe [03:30] <astronut> Mez, link? [03:30] <Mez> perv astronut [03:30] <Mez> but, one sec [03:30] <astronut> Lathiat, i spent about 30 minutes trying to figure out WHY my mouse would work after i commented out all Mouse device sections in xorg.conf [03:31] <astronut> Mez, you cna't make a statement like that without backing it up [03:31] <Mez> lol :d [03:31] <Mez> I'm just uploading astronut [03:31] <Lathiat> haha mez [03:31] <astronut> Lathiat: the livecd puts a synaptics section in here, but i can't force it to use synaptics [03:32] <Mez> http://www.cheesenibbles.com/files/mez/emily.jpg [03:32] <astronut> and i want to shoot whoever made , the default nick thing in xchat 2.x over the : in 1.x [03:32] <astronut> Mez: girls like that don't go out with geeks...what'd you do? [03:33] <HrdwrBoB> gave her money [03:33] <HrdwrBoB> all girls like money [03:33] <OddAbe19> hooker's like money too [03:33] <HrdwrBoB> ;) [03:33] <OddAbe19> what does that tell me [03:33] <astronut> beat me too it OddAbe19 [03:33] <OddAbe19> :-p [03:33] <Mez> astronut, she's a geek too [03:33] <astronut> Mez: liar... [03:33] <OddAbe19> what's the safest (or best) upgrade to breezy at the moment? Dist-upgrade or upgrade? What breakage would dist-upgrade bring versus upgrade? [03:33] <Lathiat> OddAbe19: dont :) [03:34] <HrdwrBoB> OddAbe19: the safest way is to not [03:34] <OddAbe19> lol, i've been antsey for about 2 months now, but i was waiting for X and GCC changes to end [03:34] <OddAbe19> now that they are [03:34] <Lathiat> well, X hasn't ended yet [03:34] <Mez> no, seriously, she is - lol :D hehe :D her dad works for apple and stuff :D and she's my lil geek (she wont stop pestering me to install kubuntu on her PC for her!) [03:34] <HrdwrBoB> astronut: depends, geek doesn't mean you can't be a nice person :) [03:34] <OddAbe19> it's less borked [03:34] <Lathiat> Mez: bastard [03:34] <astronut> or what x transition is that? [03:34] <HrdwrBoB> Mez: kubuntu? ick [03:34] <astronut> i'm a debian guy myself [03:34] <Lathiat> astronut: it is [03:34] <HrdwrBoB> my wife isn't a geek, but she uses ubuntu [03:34] <astronut> monolithic -> modular tree? [03:35] <Lathiat> astronut: yes [03:35] <Mez> HrdwrBoB, my gf is and she uses kubuntu :D but each to their own [03:35] <Lathiat> astronut: tahts wahts happening [03:35] <Mez> and Lathiat what did I ever do to you [03:35] <astronut> Mez: once oyu're out of the picture, he can steal her [03:35] <Lathiat> Mez: have a good looking geek girlfriend :) [03:35] <Lathiat> hrm.. anyone know how i can compare two struct sockaddrs [03:35] <astronut> Lathiat: tpconfig isn't in the live cd, what package is it in? [03:36] <Lathiat> astronut: tpconfig, oddly enough :) [03:36] <Mez> Lathiat, and she loves same kind of music as me and loves gaming, and. ... just... *drools* every geeks dream :D [03:36] <Mez> hehe [03:36] <astronut> meh...i guess we'll have to do apt-get update [03:36] <astronut> not sure how well live cd will like this [03:36] <astronut> security/restricted??? [03:37] <Mez> anyhoo ... am off to bed :D hehe :D [03:37] <astronut> E: Couldn't find package tpconfig [03:38] <astronut> Lathiat: ? [03:40] <astronut> meh...i guess cd's are weird [03:41] <astronut> livecd* [03:41] <astronut> found it online, installing via dpkg [03:42] <astronut> Lathiat: ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo tpconfig -i [03:42] <astronut> fatal: [03:42] <astronut> No Synaptics or ALPS touchpad device found [03:42] <astronut> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ [03:42] <OddAbe19> hahaha, OMG, if i upgraded to breezy (not dist-upgrade) this would happen: 774 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 400 not upgraded. [03:42] <OddAbe19> Need to get 456MB of archives. [03:42] <OddAbe19> After unpacking 41.4MB of additional disk space will be used. [03:43] <OddAbe19> holy crap [03:43] <OddAbe19> is mkfontsdir fixed yet? [03:44] <Lathiat> OddAbe19: no [03:44] <Lathiat> astronut: did you enable the SHMConfig [03:45] <OddAbe19> how would i fix that? [03:46] <Lathiat> OddAbe19: wait longer before upgrading :) [03:46] <OddAbe19> no [03:46] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, what exactly do the patches provide? [03:46] <OddAbe19> i don't wanna [03:46] <OddAbe19> lol [03:46] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, the gnome integration patches in ubuntu's firefox [03:47] <Lathiat> OddAbe19: http://blogs.gnome.org/cball has information, but dont come crying in here if its broken [03:47] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: the make it use the file chooser and such [03:47] <Lathiat> OddAbe19: this is a development channel not a user support channel [03:47] <OddAbe19> i know it's development [03:47] <OddAbe19> i was courious [03:47] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, do you have any idea why i would be getting a slight delay between switching pages in ubuntu's firefox while the official build works fine? [03:47] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: nope [03:47] <jasoncohen> it only seems to be an issue on ubuntu builds. it works fine in debian [03:48] <Amaranth> can someone tell me if they're seeing http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13066 ? [03:48] <jasoncohen> i've noticed in backports as well- but those are just breezy packages [03:48] <Lathiat> jasoncohen: could be a pango thing [03:48] <Amaranth> ah yeah, probably pango [03:48] <astronut> Lathiat: no..where do i do that? [03:48] <Amaranth> pango trades speed for being able to render every language ever heard of [03:49] <jasoncohen> lol [03:49] <jasoncohen> and i need that because....> [03:49] <jasoncohen> ? [03:50] <Amaranth> *shrug* [03:50] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, what languages would i get in the ubuntu build that i don't get in the official build? [03:50] <Lathiat> Amaranth: the bonobo docks are oh so broken [03:50] <Lathiat> Amaranth: they arent draggable anyway ;p [03:50] <Amaranth> Lathiat: i thought so [03:50] <Amaranth> you can drag them, once [03:51] <Lathiat> Amaranth: and yes happens for me [03:51] <astronut> Lathiat: where do i enable that...SHMConfig? [03:51] <jasoncohen> both hebrew and russian render fine on the official build [03:51] <Lathiat> astronut: in your X config, google, and please ask in #ubuntu, this is a developemnt channel not a user support channel [03:51] <Amaranth> Lathiat: if you have editbugs can you say that in bugzilla? [03:51] <Lathiat> Amaranth: i dont need editbugs just to comment? [03:52] <Amaranth> no, i meant to NEW it [03:52] <Lathiat> oh [03:52] <Lathiat> yeh well i cant do that [03:52] <Amaranth> i suppose i could, but that doesn't look very good [03:52] <Lathiat> haha [03:52] <Amaranth> a comment will work though, thanks [03:55] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i guess the official firefox build is lighter then because it doesn't require pango or many other dependencies [03:56] <Lathiat> jasoncohen: ya, i noticed that using the deer park builds [03:56] <Amaranth> well, those are so much faster anyway... [03:56] <jasoncohen> yeah, i'm comparing 1.0.6 official to 1.0.6 ubuntu hoary [03:56] <Amaranth> those with the GNOME integration will be faster than official 1.0 :) [03:56] <jasoncohen> though, doesn't debian build with the same compile options & dependencies? [03:57] <infinity> Reasonably similar, anyway. [03:57] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, well- doesn't hoary's have gnome integration? [03:57] <Amaranth> yes [03:57] <jasoncohen> but i only notice the problem in ubuntu- no such "freezing' in sarge [03:57] <jasoncohen> or sid [03:57] <Amaranth> the gnome integration is a seperate package [03:57] <Amaranth> i think [03:57] <jasoncohen> yeah [03:58] <jasoncohen> mozilla-firefox-gnome-support [03:59] <jasoncohen> is already instaleld [04:00] <jasoncohen> hmm, the debian version doesn't require the bonobo or gnome dependencies [04:02] <Amaranth> bonobo? blech [04:02] <jasoncohen> yeah- debian doesn't require the bonobo libs or gnome libs but ubuntu does [04:03] <mrd`> Odd, /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin doesn't use any bonobo or gnome libs. [04:03] <jasoncohen> deerpark will have automated security upgrades (and it won't upgrade if it would break one of your extensions dependeing on the setting). that'll be nice [04:03] <Lathiat> jasoncohen: thats kinda cool [04:04] <jasoncohen> yeah, i just tried an alpha build of deerpark today [04:04] <Amaranth> it does binary deltas too [04:04] <Amaranth> for the upgrades [04:04] <jasoncohen> unfortunately the upgrade system isn't up yet- since releases are done by daily builds [04:04] <Amaranth> yeah [04:04] <Amaranth> the upgrade system is setup, it's just doing the 1.0 style [04:05] <Amaranth> where it downloads the whole thing and reinstalls it [04:05] <jasoncohen> do upgrades actually work in 1.0.x? [04:05] <Lathiat> problem is [04:05] <Amaranth> they do on windows [04:05] <jasoncohen> when 1.0.6 came out it didn't show the update [04:05] <Lathiat> how does that work on say liniux [04:05] <Lathiat> where you cant overwrite the binaries? [04:05] <Lathiat> (in many cases) [04:05] <Amaranth> it doesn't work on windows when you can't overwrite the binaries either :P [04:05] <jasoncohen> yeah [04:05] <Amaranth> which is almost never, but they should start planning [04:05] <jasoncohen> install in /opt and give user permission [04:06] <mrd`> Why not just install in your home directory? [04:06] <Amaranth> /opt is off limits too [04:06] <Amaranth> you want ~/.local/ [04:06] <jasoncohen> well, i installed in /home but some don't like doing that [04:06] <Amaranth> ~/.local/ should work for most things [04:07] <jasoncohen> if the upgrade system is good on 1.5, could the apt package support it? [04:07] <jasoncohen> or will official upgrades always be through new .deb packages? [04:08] <jasoncohen> i.e - 1.5 is packaged by ubuntu but upgrades are handled by the automated upgrade tool which is configured pre-install [04:09] <Amaranth> firefox is C++ [04:10] <Amaranth> unless their upgrade tool had g++ 3.3 and g++ 4.0 versions... [04:10] <wasabi> Hey so I had this neat idea... and was expecting that somebody had already done it, since usually somebody else does my neat ideas before i Have them. [04:10] <Lathiat> wasabi: heh [04:11] <wasabi> I want to make a livecd that boots from a flash disk and saves changes in a seperate place. [04:11] <wasabi> Basically for an embedded router device. [04:11] <ajmitch> wasabi: don't exsting live cds already allow for that? [04:11] <wasabi> LiveCD have most of the infrastructure for that? [04:11] <ajmitch> iirc knoppix let you save settings on a usb drive [04:11] <wasabi> I want to use Ubuntu. [04:11] <Lathiat> knoppix basically tars up /etc and /home [04:11] <Lathiat> sticks that on a flash drive [04:11] <Lathiat> and untars it on next boot [04:12] <mrd`> They support booting from a CD and saving to a usb drive... I don't see why you couldn't boot from a usb drive and save to another usb drive or somewhere else if that's what you want. [04:12] <wasabi> Ubuntu live CD uses some unionfs or something to track mods. [04:12] <wasabi> I want to save the mods. [04:12] <Lathiat> wasabi: yeh what you want is like unionfs i think [04:12] <ajmitch> Lathiat: right, so you'd want an overlay fs, I can't recall what the live cd does for ubuntu [04:12] <wasabi> BAsically on this flash disk, I can stick a file containing the "live cd". [04:12] <wasabi> And another file containing the user mods. [04:13] <wasabi> And at boot just set it up exactly like hte live cd does [04:13] <wasabi> You'd be able to upgrade the device by just replacing that one file on the flash... like a cisco or something. [04:13] <Lathiat> well [04:13] <Lathiat> not sure thatd work so well [04:13] <Lathiat> depends how your 'union' fs works [04:13] <Lathiat> a cisco works liek that because it uses a configuration file [04:13] <wasabi> Yeah. Are there docs about how the ubuntu live cd works? [04:13] <Lathiat> whcih does everything [04:13] <wasabi> Oh sure, but so does Linux. It just uses a bunch of config files. [04:13] <wasabi> Which need to be isolated. ;) [04:14] <Lathiat> sure but [04:14] <Lathiat> what if the config file changes format [04:14] <Lathiat> or whatever [04:14] <Lathiat> or you wanna add stuff to the new version [04:14] <Lathiat> .. etc :) [04:14] <wasabi> Good question, I'll consider it later. [04:14] <wasabi> I'd suspect that the dpkg upgrade routines should be run in some way. [04:14] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, so, why does ubuntu's firefox have all these extra dependencies like bonobo libraries and gnome libraries that aren't needed for the debian or official builds? [04:14] <wasabi> Just like as if it was really being upgraded. [04:14] <ajmitch> jasoncohen: gnome integration [04:14] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: For the GNOME integration. [04:14] <wasabi> And those would be responsible for making it work, however... just like they are required to do now. [04:15] <mrd`> Amaranth: Shouldn't only the firefox-gnome-integration package have those depends though? Not the firefox package? [04:15] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, but gnome-integration is a seperate pacakge [04:15] <Amaranth> *shrug* [04:15] <jasoncohen> apt-cache show mozilla-firefox-gnome-support --> it has a bunch of dependencies as well [04:26] <wasabi> Doesnt' look like much of hte livecd documentation has been changed since warty [06:10] <Burgundavia> wasabi, what do you mean? [06:12] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, the ubuntu version of FF has the upgrade notifier working. That FF stuff is a hack for systems that don't have a proper package management system (windows, primarily) [06:12] <wasabi> hmm? [06:13] <Burgundavia> wasabi, wht about the livecd stuff needs to be updated? [06:13] <wasabi> LiveCDDesign [06:13] <wasabi> Still talks about Warty, etc. [06:13] <Burgundavia> ok [06:13] <wasabi> Very little info on Casper. [06:13] <wasabi> I'm trying to put together my own custom livecd, and not having an easy go at it. ;) [06:13] <Burgundavia> I thought there were some other livecd docs lying around [06:14] <wasabi> There are some for modifying the existing live cd [06:14] <Burgundavia> ask Luis Villa (lu on irc) about it [06:14] <wasabi> but none for creating one from scratch [06:14] <Burgundavia> ah, ok [06:14] <wasabi> I'm basically trying to create a Really Small one. [06:15] <fabbione> morning [06:21] <bddebian> Hello fabbione [06:26] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, you sure? it didn't properly notify me when 1.0.6 was out. how does firefox learn of the new version? [06:26] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i checked for updates using the official build and none were shown [06:27] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, the Ubuntu build disables the auto checking [06:27] <Burgundavia> because we have our own package management system [06:27] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i know- i was using the official build [06:27] <Burgundavia> ok [06:28] <jasoncohen> anyways 1.5 will have a much more advanced upgrade system that will allow you to upgrade without breaking extensions [06:28] <jasoncohen> and do so automatically [06:53] <wasabi> I am so close to having my custom live cd working [06:53] <wasabi> except I can't get the new kernel installed somehow. [08:03] <pitti> Good morning [08:04] <\sh> doko: ping [08:04] <\sh> morning :) [08:04] <\sh> well...I didn't shower so far....so I have to rush [08:05] <fabbione> hey pitti [08:06] <tseng> some guy named ian of whom ive never heard trashed network-manager [08:06] <tseng> (yay) [08:07] <Lathiat> im over network-manager [08:07] <Lathiat> its useless [08:08] <infinity> I'm supposed to be putting some effort into whipping n-m into shape in the next week. [08:08] <infinity> Anyone have any input more useful than "it's useless" or "egads, Ian broke it"? [08:08] <Lathiat> infinity: please make it really easy for me to right click it and say "Stop network-manager from managing my devices" and then after that have it have a "Start managing my devices again" [08:08] <tseng> infinity: well, the applet doesnt start [08:08] <Lathiat> if you did that, i'd love you forever [08:09] <tseng> infinity: so i cant much test it anymore [08:09] <jdub> infinity: thom and i had a long discussion about integration with ifupdown and resolvconf a while back; pretty sure he wrote notes about it [08:09] <infinity> jdub : I'll pester him. [08:09] <jdub> infinity: oh, and it was related to making n-m work sanely :) [08:09] <tseng> infinity: just sortof extra boggled as there are people who upload to ubuntu who never show their face in the community [08:10] <infinity> jdub : Speaking of working sanely, why has no one made the obvious leap to use nscd, instead of switching from one nameserver to another? [08:10] <jdub> tseng: ian has just started; he's a well known debian developer :)| [08:10] <infinity> tseng : He's a new hire. He's also the original dpkg author. [08:10] <tseng> jdub: cheers. [08:10] <\sh> doko: is hplip build-depending on python-qt3? or on python-sip4-qt3? [08:10] <Lathiat> infinity: im told nscd is evil, but i have nothing to base that on [08:11] <jdub> infinity: dunno, though there are some strong technical/emotional opinions about nscd. [08:11] <infinity> Lathiat : It's not perfect, but neither is running a local nameserver. [08:11] <Lathiat> \sh: i saw an upload with a changelog sayign that was removed [08:11] <jdub> infinity: (the original reason for using bind was that it was very configurable wrt multiple networks and name lookups) [08:11] <Lathiat> infinity: but it affects mroe than just dns? [08:11] <jdub> infinity: (nscd and resolv.conf doesn't quite solve that) [08:11] <infinity> jdub : I don't dig the idea that a machine with NetworkManager installed can't have a nameserver installed (well, unless you ask the nameserver not to bind to localhost)... Kinda ick. [08:12] <Lathiat> infinity: it can [08:12] <Lathiat> infinity: network-manager starts its own bind9 [08:12] <\sh> Lathiat: thx...I should read first -changes then irclogs ,-) [08:12] <Lathiat> with its own config file [08:12] <Lathiat> the problem is [08:12] <Lathiat> it just blanket installs bind9 [08:12] <Lathiat> and so bind9 runs as normal as well [08:12] <infinity> Lathiat : Yes, but still on port 53. [08:12] <infinity> Lathiat : Run your own instance, boom. [08:12] <Lathiat> that needs to be sorted somehow if we're gona use bind9, tho i hear theres plans to use dnsmasq [08:12] <Lathiat> infinity: but it binds to localhost [08:12] <jdub> infinity: are you on the networkmanager list? [08:12] <tseng> ian attempted to make it use resolvconf [08:12] <Lathiat> infinity: so i suppose thats a mild issue [08:12] <infinity> Lathiat : the latest packages swapped to dnsmasq, but the same issue survives. You're eating port 53. [08:12] <jdub> infinity: it's worth reading back about this stuff [08:12] <Lathiat> infinity: but it would still listen on your real interfaces which is what you really care about [08:13] <Lathiat> infinity: s/would/wouldnt [08:13] <infinity> Lathiat : You;'d have to hand-configure bind not to bind to localhost, or it'll probably just die on invocation. [08:13] <Lathiat> resolvconf woudl be nice [08:13] <Lathiat> infinity: bind9 will start fine [08:13] <Lathiat> infinity: by default, it binds to * which grabs all it can [08:13] <Lathiat> so if it cant get localhost it wont care [08:13] <jdub> brb [08:13] <Lathiat> resolvconf woudl be nice [08:13] <Lathiat> cus then it can use avahi-dnsconfd :) [08:14] <infinity> resolvconf is what the current (broken) upload was meant to integrate. [08:14] <Lathiat> right [08:14] <Lathiat> so it just needs to be unbroken [08:14] <Lathiat> :) [08:14] <infinity> That doesn't change anything, though. [08:15] <Lathiat> whats the issue with just changing /etc/resolv.conf? thats always seemed to work for me [08:15] <\sh> but a running bind9 for a laptop install with NetworkManager? [08:15] <infinity> Many applications cache resolver requests, so changing resolv.conf on the fly doesn't buy you much, which is why we're still running a local nameserver. [08:15] <infinity> So, resolv.conf always points to 127.0.0.1, and we only update it to update our search lists. [08:16] <infinity> (Which is still not ideal, cause we could be cacheing the search lists) [08:18] <tseng> its polling the hell out of something, likely dbus [08:19] <tseng> but it never draws the little icon bit [08:19] <infinity> Little icon bits are overrated. [08:19] <Lathiat> heh [08:20] <\sh> rushing to work....bbl [08:20] <jdub> tseng: how's beagle faring? [08:21] <tseng> jdub: 0.12 is pretty solid here [08:21] <tseng> jdub: and joe is coming up w/ some more big performance boosts in cvs [08:21] <tseng> we just need to get some crap moved to main so evo-sharp can build [08:21] <tseng> and it will actually work for people [08:22] <bob2> Lathiat: mozilla, e.g. seems to cache /etc/resolv.conf forever [08:22] <tseng> jdub: if you get the evo-sharp source yourself, youll be in business [08:22] <infinity> bob2 : Which, really, is something we should be fixing in mozilla, not working around it with hideous hacks... :/ [08:22] <bob2> well, yeah [08:23] <tseng> hopefully the fixer isnt @redhat.com [08:24] <tseng> or rather, they make it poll the file ocassionally instead of binding more of the desktop to dbus [08:24] <infinity> It'll be a cold day in hell before mozilla.org accepts patches to make mozilla depend on dbus, I think. [08:24] <Amaranth> dbus is our CORBA or XPCOM [08:25] <infinity> I could be a crack monkey, but isn't CORBA our CORBA? ;) [08:25] <Amaranth> haha [08:25] <Amaranth> dbus is the new one [08:25] <Amaranth> something that sounds cool and gets used way to much [08:25] <tseng> infinity: we are quick to replace it with something more crackful [08:25] <bob2> make it interpret SIGPOWER as "uncache the dns server addresses, idiot" [08:26] <bob2> or some other pointless signal [08:26] <Amaranth> that we have to spend years ripping out of things later [08:28] <jdub> yay for breezy kernels on hoary [08:28] <tseng> we should get rml's networkmanager patch [08:28] <Lathiat> tseng: which does what? [08:28] <tseng> makes it a real tray icon [08:28] <Lathiat> how is it not a real tray icon? [08:28] <tseng> instead of a proper applet forced badly into the tray [08:28] <Lathiat> oh [08:28] <Lathiat> heh [08:29] <tseng> notice the funny gradient in clearlooks [08:29] <tseng> and other subtle badness [08:29] <Lathiat> yeh [08:29] <Lathiat> and its extra whide [08:29] <Lathiat> *wide [08:29] <bob2> rml? [08:29] <Lathiat> bob2: robert love [08:29] <bob2> novell dropped netapplet? [08:29] <tseng> dude rml <3 nm [08:29] <bob2> I know wh orml is :) [08:30] <bob2> but he wrote netapplet to begin with [08:30] <infinity> tseng : I'm going to be talking to rml about his patches RSN. [08:30] <infinity> tseng : He fixed up some VPN stuff too. [08:30] <tseng> infinity: yay. [08:31] <Lathiat> i wish vpnc worked at my uni [08:31] <Lathiat> it seems to send the same packet the cisco client does to start with, but then nothing happens [08:56] <infinity> s/sued/used/ [08:56] <infinity> -EWIN [09:07] <lool> quitte: the configure script first checks for /etc/xml/catalog (which you can override) and then searches for particular catalogs with JH_CHECK_XML_CATALOG calls [09:09] <lool> quitte: try xmlcatalog --noout /etc/xml/catalog '-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.1.2//EN' [09:10] <lool> quitte: be sure to have xml-core, docbook-xml, and that docbook-xml's did register [09:24] <pitti> Hi mvo [09:27] <pitti> morning seb128 [09:28] <seb128> hey pitti [09:29] <pitti> ogra: so mdz ack'ed the new hal upstream version? [09:29] <seb128> pitti: have you read the bug I reassigned to you this night about this? [09:29] <seb128> pitti: the battstat one [09:30] <pitti> seb128: not yet, I'm still catching up with bug triage [09:30] <seb128> pitti: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12909 [09:30] <seb128> pitti: current comment on it [09:31] <pitti> cool, I wanted to prepare the update anyway [09:31] <pitti> it also fixes various issues with udev [09:32] <seb128> nice [09:32] <seb128> pitti: and about dbus? going to update too? [09:32] <pitti> seb128: it seems reasonably safe and some guys need it [09:33] <pitti> daniels: do you know whether dbus 0.35 has a new API or ABI? [09:34] <seb128> when we spoke about it the other day some guys said only the glib binding stuff changed API wise [09:43] <Amaranth> seb128: Does gnome_vfs_monitor_add() use gamin to watch the uri? [09:43] <seb128> elmo: glitz (incoming) intltool gdesklets gdesklets-data (the current gdesklets-data ships a pile of b0rked desklets due to API changes and a Debian guys has just cleaned all this) [09:43] <seb128> Amaranth: yep [09:43] <Amaranth> seb128: trying to find out why my menus don't update :) [09:44] <Amaranth> ok, then something in gnome-vfs is broken [09:44] <seb128> Amaranth: gamin is b0rked [09:44] <seb128> I would bet on gamin [09:44] <Treenaks> seb128: will it be fixed before breezy-final? [09:44] <Amaranth> gamin debug log says it never got a request to watch the things libmenu says it's setting up monitors for [09:44] <seb128> Treenaks: if you send a patch for sure [09:44] <Amaranth> the only thing inbetween them is gnome-vfs [09:44] <Treenaks> seb128: ;) of course.. [09:45] <seb128> Amaranth: good, debug is welcome too ... I don't really trust gamin and would bet on it anyway though [09:45] <Amaranth> it'll have to wait until morning though, it's 3am and things are starting to blur :) [09:45] <Amaranth> night all [09:45] <seb128> good night [09:45] <seb128> oh [09:45] <seb128> and how is smeg going? [09:46] <Amaranth> i lost all my work :/ [09:46] <seb128> still an option for 5.10 or you trashed all your changes with your hdd and we should better delay it? [09:46] <Amaranth> well, if 0.7.5 is usable it's an option [09:47] <Amaranth> otherwise i don't think i'll be finishing 0.8 until late august or so [09:47] <seb128> you are the best placed to know what issues 0.7.5 has [09:47] <Amaranth> well, as long as you have the fixes from pyxdg CVS 0.7.5 has no issues that i know of [09:47] <seb128> Amaranth: k, good, thanks [09:47] <Amaranth> of course it dies on badly encoded filenames but the spec doesn't define what to do with those and no one on the xdg list seems to want to decide [09:48] <seb128> you had a patch for this, no? [09:48] <seb128> can't you just ignore those? [09:48] <Amaranth> the patch silently dropped chars that couldn't be represented in UTF-8 [09:48] <Amaranth> gnome-menus doesn't ignore them [09:48] <Amaranth> it shows them then fails to find them to launch them [09:48] <Amaranth> so no one really knows what to do with them [09:48] <seb128> I would just ignore these files [09:49] <seb128> better than crashing [09:49] <Amaranth> i'll work on a patch for pyxdg tomorrow [09:50] <seb128> cool, thanks [09:50] <seb128> 'night [09:56] <\sh> pitti: thx..the you ff from yesterday doesn't crash anymore with flash enabled [09:57] <pitti> \sh: I didn't upload ffox yesterday [09:58] <\sh> pitti: or the day before yesterday [09:58] <\sh> the last upload [10:26] <\sh> doko: ping [10:27] <doko> pong [10:27] <\sh> doko: hplip...u included a build-dep on python-sip4-qt3? or doesn't it use python qt bindings anymore? :) [10:31] <\sh> grmpf..who is setting the bugzilla entries to pending upload and is not assigning them to his account... [10:36] <doko> \sh: no, not needed [10:37] <seb128> doko: cairo 0.6 uploaded [10:38] <doko> seb128: ok, will test ... glitz enabled? [10:39] <seb128> doko: nop, I've asked a sync from incoming to elmo for that ... [10:39] <seb128> doko: I'll redo a build with glitz when elmo has synced it [10:44] <Kamion> infinity: I guess you didn't spot my seed breakage comment from yesterday [10:45] <Kamion> infinity: I've unbroken the archive the hard way, by copying patch-80 to a fresh directory that I own, fixing up the permissions, and killing your old patch-80 directory [10:45] <Kamion> infinity: please move umask 002 to the top of ~/.bashrc, before [ -z "$PS1" ] && return [10:46] <fabbione> Kamion: how badly would you feel if i upload another kernel today? [10:46] <Kamion> fabbione: oh well [10:47] <fabbione> Kamion: i did all the "heavy lifting" job before VAC [10:47] <fabbione> so that i left only a few bits for infinity [10:48] <fabbione> seb128: no i don't have it right now, but i can grab it for you in a minute or two [10:48] <highvoltage> hi guys, everyone involved in edubuntu, this is a notice that there will be a meeting this afternoon in #edubuntu to discuss current status. time: 12:00 UTC/GMT. [10:48] <seb128> fabbione: would be nice, thanks [10:48] <fabbione> seb128: thanks to you! [10:49] <fabbione> Kamion: btw.. did you ever get around to fix debootstrap for sparc or is it still untested? [10:50] <Kamion> fabbione: still untested probably, I've entirely forgotten what bugs you reported in it, if any ... [10:50] <Kamion> ogra: do you use PHP in Edubuntu? [10:51] <ogra> Kamion, ha ha ha... [10:51] <fabbione> Kamion: no, no bugs.. once you told me that debootstrap was going to be broken for sparc and i agreed on it.. i just don't recall us talking about it anymore.. if it needs testing i can do it :) [10:51] <ogra> Kamion, i guess there is not much that more used in edubuntu [10:51] <Kamion> ogra: would it break anything if I merged infinity's change to the Ubuntu seeds that switches from PHP4 to PHP5? [10:51] <ogra> Kamion, yes [10:51] <ogra> :( [10:51] <ogra> many of the packages i use arent switched to 5 yet.... [10:52] <pitti> I thought it was supposed to be backwards compatible? [10:52] <Kamion> fabbione: oh, that needs arch-specific overrides, I can't do that [10:52] <Kamion> ogra: they should depend on php4 then [10:52] <ogra> (moodle, mediawiki (which just gets packaged in debian, but they told me these pacages wont be php5 compatible)) [10:52] <fabbione> Kamion: so what do we need to do exactly? (other than giving it a shot) [10:52] <pitti> Kamion: the problem is that we actually intended to demote php4 to universe once we have php5 in main [10:52] <Kamion> ogra: if those depend on php4, it'll be fine [10:52] <Kamion> pitti: not my problem [10:53] <ogra> Kamion, but those will have to move to main [10:53] <Kamion> fabbione: try it, report a bug with what breaks [10:53] <fabbione> Kamion: make sense :) [10:53] <ogra> Kamion, which will keep php4 there too [10:53] <Kamion> ogra: I think the seed merge will be fine actually, as long as the dependencies are correct it won't break anything in itself [10:53] <ogra> ok [10:53] <Kamion> it's only changing the supported seed [10:54] <ogra> fine then :) [10:54] <Kamion> I need to merge the installer and casper seeds which is a later patch to ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds--breezy--0, which is why I ask :) [10:54] <Kamion> ok, done [10:55] <fabbione> seb128: never mind.. it's still the binutils problems that reflects into the gtk test of lp-integration... [10:56] <fabbione> seb128: nothing you can do about it.. thanks tho. [10:56] <Kamion> ok, this morning's daily CD build will probably be fucked, but I'm rebuilding it now [10:56] <Kamion> "can't find kernel modules" style of breakage [10:56] <seb128> fabbione: k [10:56] <fabbione> Kamion: uh.. udebs are there :) [10:56] <Kamion> fabbione: seeds weren't up to date, I've fixed them [10:57] <fabbione> oh ok... [10:57] <Kamion> the seeds matter, otherwise cdimage will leave all the kernel module udebs off the CD :-P [10:57] <fabbione> didn't we want more space on CD anyway? :P [10:57] <Kamion> heh [11:24] <seb128> JaneW: YOUR MAIL TITLE LOOKS LIKE SPAM WITH ALL THE CAPS :p [11:25] <fabbione> pitti: ping? [11:26] <pitti> I'm right here [11:26] <fabbione> pitti: before suggesting users to file bugs because /dev/inotify is not there.. do you mind to ask me..? [11:26] <fabbione> it's normal [11:26] <fabbione> the device is not required anymore [11:26] <JaneW> seb128: It's a notice :P [11:26] <fabbione> now i am getting hammered by people with "OMG THE DEVICE IS NOT THERE ANYMORE! IT MUST BE BROKEN" [11:27] <fabbione> when instead it works perfectly on i386/amd64 [11:27] <seb128> JaneW: yeah, but you probably want to people to read it and not to trash it with the spam? :) [11:27] <fabbione> ia64 and ppc... [11:27] <JaneW> seb128: I use caps at times, when I am trying to be LOUD [11:27] <fabbione> meh s/ppc/sparc [11:27] <pitti> fabbione: sorry, there was no other reply on the udevel list, so I just took seb128's approach of "use bz for bugs" [11:27] <JaneW> seb128: sorry, won't do that again then, I guess I aussmed people could read... [11:27] <jsgotangco> SURE WE CAN :) [11:28] <Treenaks> JaneW: at least the subject wasn't "Congratulations" :) [11:28] <fabbione> pitti: ok.. don't worry.. just next time let's avoid panic ;) [11:28] <pitti> sorry, dude! :-) [11:28] <pitti> ok [11:29] <seb128> JaneW: no need to be sorry, but I'm used to categorize CAPS SUBJECT == spam and almost trashed this one ... so I just pointed it may have this effect for some people :) [11:30] <JaneW> Treenaks: no it;s ok, I am keeping all my lotery winning to myself, I have won at least 20 times now, I'm extremely lucky... [11:30] <jsgotangco> Treenaks, lol [11:30] <JaneW> seb128: point taken, thanks [11:30] <seb128> np :) [11:31] <seb128> pitti: thanks for pointing bugzilla to users abusing the list for bugs ;) [11:35] <pitti> fabbione: out of interest, what is now used instead of /dev/inotify? [11:36] <pitti> this worked with ioctl()s formerly, right? [11:36] <Treenaks> pitti: syscalls [11:36] <fabbione> pitti: as Treenaks said.. syscalls [11:36] <pitti> ah, ok [11:37] <fabbione> pitti: same reason why we have coverage for 4 out of 6 arches for now [11:37] <fabbione> pitti: ppc and hppa don't have syscalls assigned yet [11:40] <sivang> Morning all [11:41] <sivang> he JaneW [11:41] <mvo> am I blind? or is there no search in malone? [11:43] <Kamion> fabbione: at least powerpc is going to be fixed before breezy, I hope? [11:43] <JaneW> hi sivang [11:44] <fabbione> Kamion: yes yes.. they are fixing them on a daily base [11:44] <fabbione> Kamion: but they are asking the differnet $arch maintainers to assign the proper numbers... [11:44] <fabbione> Kamion: Package lib64gcc1 is not installed. [11:44] <fabbione> Kamion: that's needed for sparc bootstrapping.. [11:44] <Kamion> fabbione: right, that's part of the arch-specific overrides problem [11:45] <fabbione> Kamion: ok.. do i need to ask elmo to do something? [11:45] <Kamion> because powerpc also has lib64gcc1, but it isn't needed in base there [11:45] <fabbione> nope.. but we have nothing in 64bit userland for ppc :) [11:45] <Kamion> fabbione: technically yes, but it's "implement a bunch of hard stuff in katie", it's not "flip this switch" [11:46] <sivang> Kamion: does that mean that bootstrapping ppc always occurs in 32bit mode ? [11:46] <Kamion> I can just bump lib64gcc1's priority and accept the bloat on powerpc I guess [11:46] <Kamion> sivang: of course [11:46] <fabbione> Kamion: how much will ppc bloat? [11:46] <Kamion> debootstrap has no concept of "mode" [11:47] <Kamion> it's not a lot, 100KB or so [11:47] <Kamion> seems like a DOIT I guess [11:47] <fabbione> Kamion: well we are like talking 100KB on ppc or an entire arch out of the game [11:47] <fabbione> 100KB are doable... [11:47] <Kamion> yeah, one second while I run germinate for powerpc [11:47] <fabbione> thanks [11:48] <sivang> fabbione: do you recall I asked you about the bu that rpevented booting on pSeries, where can I read about what it was and how it got fixed? [11:48] <sivang> fabbione: (botting from install image, that is) [11:51] <fabbione> bu ? [11:51] <sivang> fabbione: s/botting/booting/ [11:51] <Kamion> s/bu/bug/ [11:51] <sivang> heh [11:51] <sivang> Kamion: thx [11:52] <fabbione> sivang: the installer problem we had was missing drivers in the .udeb [11:52] <sivang> fabbione: a couple of weeks ago I tried booting the install image under one of my LPARs, and was unable to get into the grub prompt [11:52] <fabbione> if there are other bugs i don't know [11:52] <fabbione> there is no grub on ppc... [11:52] <sivang> fabbione: ah ok, do you have it in debian bts or something? [11:52] <Kamion> fabbione: actually, I don't get it, lib64gcc1 doesn't show up in jessica output [11:52] <sivang> fabbione: sorry, yaboot :) [11:52] <Kamion> fabbione: can I demote libc6-sparc64 to priority optional? what breaks if I do that? [11:52] <sivang> fabbione: still need to adjust to the arch specifics [11:53] <fabbione> sivang: the bug was ubuntu specific.. we readded the drivers to the udeb.. that's it [11:53] <sivang> fabbione: ah cool, which drivers were those? [11:53] <fabbione> Kamion: one second... [11:53] <fabbione> sivang: almost all of them. [11:53] <fabbione> Kamion: libc6-sparc64 depends on lib64gcc1; however: [11:54] <fabbione> Kamion: i think there is quite a bunch of stuff that Depends: libc6-sparc64 [11:54] <Kamion> fabbione: right, libc6-sparc64 is the only thing that needs it, and nothing else in base Depends: libc6-sparc64 [11:54] <Kamion> fabbione: nope, hardly anything [11:54] <Kamion> fabbione: does anything need it but not state a Depends? [11:54] <fabbione> Kamion: i am checking... [11:54] <fabbione> libdlm0 [11:55] <fabbione> and we don't care [11:55] <fabbione> ok.. demote it my friend [12:01] <fabbione> and see what else breaks :) [12:01] <Kamion> $ sudo -u katie ./alicia.new libc6-sparc64 optional [12:01] <Kamion> I: Will change priority from important to optional [12:01] <Kamion> Continue (y/N)? y [12:01] <Kamion> Done [12:01] <fabbione> for desktop that stuff is ok to stay out.. but they are almost required for the buildd... [12:01] <fabbione> but let's solve one problem at a time [12:01] <Kamion> needs to be added to the explicit build-essential list, I'm fixing that now [12:01] <Kamion> why does the buildd need it? [12:01] <fabbione> Kamion: i don [12:02] <fabbione> Kamion: i don't recall the details.. [12:02] <fabbione> i will check it again later.. [12:02] <fabbione> i still need to build vim before i can bootstrap properly [12:02] <fabbione> and i will test buildd later.. [12:02] <fabbione> sparc is anyway a bit of a special case... [12:02] <fabbione> Kamion: we just got unionfs to build on ppc.. [12:03] <fabbione> i am definetely going to upload today [12:08] <Kamion> fabbione: ok [12:09] <fabbione> JaneW: i need a name please... [12:10] <JaneW> fabbione: Scintilating Sesame [12:11] <JaneW> :) [12:11] <Lathiat> mdz: ping [12:13] <Mez> yes? [12:13] <Mez> oh [12:13] <Mez> sorry [12:13] <Mez> :P [12:13] <Mez> read that as mez [12:14] <Lathiat> heh [12:25] <pitti> seb128: here? [12:25] <seb128> pitti: pong [12:26] <cartman> 50 nicely packaged Hoary Cds [12:26] <cartman> found its way to my home [12:26] <cartman> thank you guys! :) [12:26] <pitti> seb128: wrt #11486 (gstreamer sounds bad with alsasink), can we try to apply the patch in http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305186? [12:28] <pitti> seb128: oh, it's already applied, sorry [12:29] <seb128> pitti: we have 0.8.10 [12:30] <seb128> pitti: yeah [12:30] <pitti> darn [12:32] <JaneW> Hi all, could anybody who has not updated their BreezyGoals in the last week, please do so. [12:33] <JaneW> we need a clear indication of where each goal is, and whether it is going to be finished in time for Breezy [12:33] <JaneW> Thanks [12:35] <JaneW> I will start contacting anyone who has no update in their goal in the next few hours [12:35] <bob2> bear in mind it's well after work hours for .auers [12:36] <tseng> yay for firefox crashing [12:38] <tseng> JaneW: ok, i cant update anything because firefox wont stay open for 12 seconds [12:38] <daniels> pitti: yeah, API and ABI both chagngedc, but its' reasonably trivial; we can easily [12:38] <daniels> pitti: patch the apps using it. it's a better long-term solution. i'll knock up a new set of packages on monday for you. [12:39] <pitti> daniels: cool; well, it's not really "for me", but for some other spec a guy works on [12:39] <Mez> hmm [12:39] <Mez> anything that's very likely to break if I install breezy ...? [12:39] <Mez> and upgrade it to current) [12:40] <tseng> plenty [12:40] <Mez> like .. ? [12:40] <Lathiat> Mez: X amon g other things [12:40] <tseng> like X not starting [12:40] <Mez> (I'm just burning a colony 2 cd) [12:40] <Mez> I thought someoen said the other day they got X working? [12:40] <tseng> BWAR [12:40] <daniels> pitti: yeah, we need 0.35 [12:40] <tseng> firefox must die [12:41] <Mez> well, I shall see eh? [12:41] <Mez> It cant do much harm as long as I make sure I do the boot partition righ [12:41] <Lathiat> http://blogs.gnome.org/callum [12:41] <Lathiat> see whats linked from there [12:42] <Mez> Error: No such notebook: callum [12:42] <tseng> one l [12:42] <Mez> http://blogs.gnome.org/calum [12:42] <Lathiat> my bad [12:43] <tseng> JaneW: can i please email you a status update [12:43] <tseng> JaneW: i have tried to login at least 12 times now, firefox refuses to do anything but crash [12:44] <JaneW> tseng: absolutely, I can do the wiki part. [12:44] <JaneW> tseng: thanks [12:44] <JaneW> that applies to everyone [12:46] <Kamion> so that I can think about them without evicting useful state from my brain [12:47] <pitti> tseng: I always use ffox for editing the page, how on earth do you manage to crash it so often? [12:47] <pitti> tseng: do you have some weird extensions installed? [12:47] <tseng> pitti: its segfaulting [12:47] <tseng> pitti: all over the udu wiki [12:47] <pitti> tseng: besides, mozilla should work :-) [12:48] <Lathiat> bah firefox is crashing isnt it [12:48] <Lathiat> i only just noticed now [12:48] <tseng> you too? [12:48] <pitti> tseng: yes, but it doesn't happen without extensions [12:48] <tseng> pitti: hm well [12:48] <Lathiat> not on the udu wiki [12:48] <Lathiat> just in general [12:48] <Lathiat> and i have no extensions [12:48] <JaneW> Kamion: thanks, but mdz is pushing quite hard for updates on all goals now, so I can;t promise to leave you alone until it's done :) [12:48] <tseng> pitti: my extensions window has "English (GB) Pack" [12:48] <Kamion> JaneW: sure, just saying that's all I can do for now [12:48] <pitti> hm, I even have some more [12:48] <Lathiat> tseng: hm, so does mine [12:48] <tseng> pitti: i have one theme installed (and using) [12:49] <Lathiat> tseng: the version on the language pack is 1.0..4 [12:49] <JaneW> pitti: yes I had that problem until I uninstalled all flash extensions [12:49] <tseng> ohh [12:49] <Lathiat> could be why [12:49] <tseng> i do have flash [12:49] <pitti> JaneW: I do have flash installed, works fine [12:49] <JaneW> I had to chose between flash and being able to work, was a tough choice ;) [12:49] <JaneW> pitti: yeah but you have breezy not hoary... [12:49] <sivang> fabbione, Kamion : well, thinking about that you uncovered a missing udeb problem, I think that's not the actual cause of what I was experiencing unde the LPAR, since it never even got to the yaboot screen, so that's probably have to do something with the image layout , or something else more low level [12:50] <pitti> JaneW: it still makes a difference? it's the same upstream version now [12:50] <davyd> does anyone know about Breezy/AMD64 something in GTK+/GLib being broken? [12:50] <fabbione> sivang: can you please file a bug with details? [12:50] <pitti> GTK BOOG! :-) [12:50] <fabbione> sivang: i don't even understand what you mean by not arriving at yaboot.. did the installer actually worked? or it didn't do anything? [12:50] <Kamion> sivang: the missing udeb thing was just this morning's CDs [12:50] <Kamion> and not getting to yaboot has zero to do with udebs [12:50] <fabbione> Kamion: meh well not really... [12:51] <fabbione> Kamion: the i told sivang about the missing drivers inside the udebs [12:51] <sivang> fabbione: yes, when I booted the LPAR, I just got straight away a msg from the firmware "no operating system installed" [12:51] <sivang> Kamion: right [12:51] <sivang> Kamion: that's why my conclusion [12:51] <Kamion> fabbione: that can't possibly be sivang's problem either, his machine almost certainly just doesn't support yaboot [12:51] <davyd> pitti: what sort of bug? [12:51] <fabbione> sivang: before or after the installer????? [12:51] <sivang> Kamion: no it does, SLES9 and RHEL3 do boot [12:51] <sivang> fabbione: before the installer, sorry [12:52] <pitti> davyd: never mind, that was just a reflex to poke seb :-) [12:52] <sivang> Kamion: that is , each LPAR is a box in its own regards, at teh hardware level. [12:52] <Kamion> sivang: CD boot or netboot? [12:52] <sivang> Kamion: cd boot [12:52] <davyd> this is a little distressing [12:53] <fabbione> sivang: try a netboot... [12:53] <pitti> davyd: sorry [12:53] <davyd> nah, it's ok [12:53] <davyd> I was just trying to finish some GNOME screenshots [12:53] <pitti> davyd: it's a long story [12:53] <davyd> so I thought I should grab the latest versions of some things [12:53] <seb128> davyd: what is the issue? [12:53] <davyd> seb128: try to start a GTK+ app and it segvs [12:53] <tseng> JaneW: sent. [12:53] <Kamion> sivang: CD booting can be finicky, I may well be missing stuff in cdimage [12:54] <seb128> davyd: utch [12:54] <seb128> davyd: backtrace ? [12:54] <davyd> seb128: I'm seeing what I can do in that department [12:54] <Kamion> sivang: unfortunately I don't have time to investigate at the moment, but if you can find out what mkisofs flags are used for the SLES9 or RHEL3 CDs then that would be useful [12:54] <seb128> davyd: what/when have you updated? [12:54] <sivang> Kamion: cool, that's one lead I could use :) [12:54] <davyd> seb128: about 5 minutes ago [12:54] <davyd> on amd64 [12:55] <seb128> davyd: cairo 0.6 ? [12:55] <davyd> gconf is running, so I must have glib [12:55] <davyd> seb128: seems that way [12:55] <seb128> pango 1.9.1 ? [12:55] <davyd> 1.9.0 [12:55] <sivang> Kamion: I'm already in contact with a couple of fedora guys so it won't be hard to find that out - futhermore, they have also told me that they use anaconda to create those boot disks, and I might find more stuff to "borrow" from there, does that make sense? (I wasn't aware anaconda produces install disks) [12:56] <davyd> hmm, that sounds suss [12:56] <davyd> like the buildds are behind [12:56] <Lathiat> or it ftbfs [12:56] <seb128> davyd: bah, that's random guess ... a backtrace would be nice [12:56] <seb128> davyd: updating just cairo works fine here on x86 [12:56] <davyd> seb128: gdb doesn't like something... [12:57] <seb128> maybe try downgrading cairo to 0.5.2? [12:57] <Kamion> sivang: ah, I see the relevant anaconda code, yes [12:57] <davyd> cairo_scaled_font_create [12:57] <seb128> gar [12:57] <seb128> what about it? [12:57] <sivang> Kamion: nice, I'm very interested in this, should I just get anaconda's source to read and find out? [12:57] <davyd> that's where the segv is occurring, hang on, I'll need to install symbols to get more [12:58] <Kamion> sivang: hmm, they invoke mkisofs in a totally different way from the way we do, though [12:58] <seb128> davyd: would be nice to try with pango 1.9.1 when your mirror get it [12:58] <Kamion> sivang: sure, 'cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@rhlinux.redhat.com:/usr/local/CVS co anaconda', it's in scripts/mk-images.ppc [12:58] <davyd> seb128: I'm using the main mirror [12:58] <sivang> Kamion: thanks, I will fetch that now [12:59] <seb128> davyd: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pango1.0/libpango1.0-0_1.9.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb [12:59] <seb128> davyd: it has it [12:59] <Kamion> meh, they build pseries ISOs in a totally different way to mac ones [12:59] <davyd> seb128: seems like the Packages file isn't updated yet [01:00] <JaneW> tseng: many thanks [01:00] <Kamion> I don't want to have to build two ISO images ... [01:00] <sivang> Kamion: I had a feeling :) [01:00] <seb128> davyd: right, you can get this one and the -common and dpkg -i or wait some minutes for the update [01:00] <sivang> Kamion: why don't I try to build that image like they do, see if it works at all and then will think about it? [01:00] <Kamion> sivang: you probably won't be able to build it literally like they do [01:00] <davyd> seb128: downloading now [01:00] <sivang> Kamion: ah, how so? [01:00] <JaneW> tseng: I haven;t receievd it yet... ps did you ever get e-mail from me? I mist have tried about 7 addresses for you now... [01:01] <tseng> JaneW: i replied to that too [01:01] <tseng> uhm [01:01] <tseng> JaneW: Unfrgiven (Ankur Kotwal) has owned that for months, ive asked him to update it [01:01] <tseng> write(2, "firefox-bin: cairo.c:86: _cairo_"..., 130firefox-bin: cairo.c:86: _cairo_error: Assertion `status > CAIRO_STATUS_SUCCESS && status <= CAIRO_STATUS_FILE_NOT_FOUND' failed. [01:01] <Kamion> sivang: because anaconda != d-i :) [01:01] <tseng> ) = 130 [01:02] <tseng> does this look horribly bad seb128 ? [01:02] <sivang> Kamion: ah :) [01:02] <Kamion> sivang: you should be able to try cherry-picking mkisofs flags though [01:02] <JaneW> tseng: oh that's right... sorry now I recall [01:03] <Kamion> sivang: our script is in arch: baz register-archive http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/archives/colin.watson@canonical.com--2005; baz get colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/debian-cd--ubuntu--0 debian-cd; look in debian-cd/tools/boot/breezy/boot-powerpc [01:03] <seb128> tseng: does every gtk app crash? what arch are you using? what did you update? [01:03] <tseng> seb128: i updated everything an hour ago [01:03] <davyd> haha! [01:03] <Kamion> sivang: could be worth trying the -J and/or -T flags [01:03] <tseng> oh there goes Evo [01:03] <seb128> tseng: and other questions? [01:03] <Kamion> as a first guess [01:03] <tseng> seb128: x86, and yes [01:03] <sivang> Kamion: Ok, I will start experimenting and tell you if anything works [01:04] <seb128> tseng: every gtk app crash? [01:04] <tseng> moz and evo so far [01:04] <tseng> s/moz/ff [01:04] <seb128> start gedit? [01:04] <tseng> open file in gedit = crash [01:04] <Kamion> it may well just need the ISO to have Joliet extensions [01:04] <seb128> that's a fileselector crash [01:04] <seb128> it's known and not new [01:05] <seb128> ok, so that's not every app :p [01:05] <sivang> seb128: crashes for me as well [01:05] <davyd> hmm, seems there are some XKB issues [01:05] <sivang> seb128: my gedit patch is not yet in right? [01:05] <seb128> sivang: not, it's not correct [01:05] <tseng> seb128: muine isnt crashing either [01:05] <tseng> (yet) [01:05] <seb128> tseng: getting a debug backtrace would be nice [01:05] <sivang> seb128: I will fix it (I already know what's wrong) and ping you when I have refreshed pkgs [01:06] <seb128> k [01:07] <tseng> seb128: does that mean i have to build all this crap with symbols? [01:08] <tseng> hm the cairo stuff resolves [01:08] <seb128> tseng: all this crap being libcairo which is like a 600k package [01:08] <seb128> libpango1.0-dbg [01:08] <tseng> i have libcairo symbols somehow [01:08] <seb128> and use LD_LIBRARY_PATH [01:08] <tseng> set to? [01:08] <seb128> /usr/lib/debug [01:11] <tseng> seb128: tseng.ath.cx/gdb-backtrace is a start [01:11] <tseng> but it doesnt resolve everything stiff [01:11] <tseng> still* [01:12] <tseng> or did i need debug symbols when i did the coredump too [01:12] <sivang> Kamion: I'm not sure I understand the cherry-picking mode, what does it entails? [01:13] <Kamion> sivang: do you know the term "cherry-picking"? [01:13] <Kamion> sivang: it means to select and try things that look good, one by one [01:13] <seb128> tseng, davyd: I'm updating gtk, maybe that will fix it [01:13] <tseng> seb128: k [01:13] <sivang> Kamion: ah ok, I wasn't aware of that nice english term :) [01:14] <tseng> oh blah theres no function names there [01:14] <seb128> tseng: just wait an hour for the gtk update [01:15] <tseng> ok. [01:15] <seb128> downgrade cairo to 0.5.2 for the moment if you want [01:15] <tseng> thanks seb [01:15] <seb128> np [01:17] <sivang> Kamion: can I produce the test images under i386? or must I produce them under the same arch on which I intend to use them? [01:17] <doko> seb128: anything wrong with libcairo? [01:17] <seb128> doko: the new cairo/pango seems to have issues [01:18] <doko> ok, libgcj doesn't use pango ... [01:19] <tseng> JaneW: how about now [01:21] <sivang> seb128: (just to be syncd) what issues did you spot with the gedit patch? [01:21] <seb128> Build-Depends not updated [01:21] <sivang> seb128: ah right :-/ [01:24] <JaneW> tseng: got it [01:24] <tseng> JaneW: cheers. [01:26] <Kamion> sivang: i386 is fine, we don't have a separate cdimage machine for each architecture :) [01:27] <pef> hello [01:27] <ogra> Kamion, how hard would it be to make the network setup in the installer default to manual in the edubuntu installer, assuming i install a standalone ltsp server there is no dhcp around [01:28] <sivang> Kamion: cool [01:31] <pitti> trulux: ping [01:34] <Kamion> ogra: it's one preseed, netcfg/disable_dhcp=true, which is documented in the installer boot screens, press F7 at the isolinux prompt [01:34] <Kamion> ogra: want that switched on for Edubuntu then? [01:35] <ogra> Kamion, yep, i assume having the machine standalone is the more common case... and i'd like to avoid seeing a errormessage [01:35] <Kamion> ogra: surely this is only for the server? [01:35] <Kamion> not clients? [01:35] <ogra> Kamion, the ltsp server is the default... [01:36] <Kamion> ogra: yes, and debian-cd has a non-server config [01:36] <ogra> not for the standalone workstation install though [01:36] <ogra> oh, that needs to change then too [01:36] <Kamion> why? the workstations should default to DHCP I'd've thought [01:36] <ogra> but in other news edubuntu daily from yesterday seems to install fine :) [01:37] <ogra> Kamion, the Ws should use dhcp, the server not... but the server should be the default [01:38] <ogra> currently the WS install is only thought for teachers to run the setuo at home... [01:38] <ogra> setup [01:39] <ogra> also the hostname should default to edubuntu, but thats marginal [01:39] <Kamion> ogra: right - I've changed the server config to default to manual network configuration; please file a Bugzilla bug against debian-cd to get the Edubuntu default changed to server [01:39] <Kamion> ogra: for server or workstation? [01:40] <ogra> Kamion, for both ? [01:40] <Kamion> ok [01:40] <ogra> if i install in my network i'll change it anyway... but the default shouldnt be ubuntu... [01:41] <Kamion> ogra: done [01:41] <ogra> yay, thanks... [01:42] <ogra> from a installer perspective the CD seems to be in a awesome condition... (i'm not at X yet ;) ) kudos Kamion :) [01:42] <Kamion> glad that works at least [01:42] <pitti> seb128: I can't reach neither daf nor carlos :-/ [01:43] <seb128> pitti: maybe they are travelling to go to brazil [01:43] <Mez> mako: ping [01:43] <seb128> pitti: bah, a few days will not matter, update next week ... [01:43] <mako> Mez: yes [01:44] <Mez> With Regards to your email: what is there left pending? [01:45] <mako> Mez: umm.. remind me which email i'm talkinb about.. i've sent like 150 today already :) [01:46] <Mez> Backports Team formation [01:46] <pitti> ah, main network back, brb [01:46] <Mez> I asked whether anything was pending, and if so what it was and if I should add it to CC agenda [01:46] <Mez> you replied "yes" [01:46] <Mez> lol [01:46] <Mez> (near enough) [01:46] <mako> yes, add it to the agenda [01:46] <mako> no, i think that's it [01:47] <Mez> what is still pending [01:47] <mako> i've talked to matt briefly about it.. if things are rolling, we'll just stamp it at the next meetting [01:47] <mako> sorry that it was unclear.. i'm sort of bulldozing through this mail right now :) [01:47] <Mez> so, what should I add ? [01:47] <mako> creation of backports team [01:48] <Mez> kk [02:01] <infinity> Kamion : Shit, dude, sorry about the umask. [02:02] <Kamion> infinity: no problem, fixed now :) [02:02] <daniels> infinity: maybe you should read up on permissions. [02:02] <Kamion> haha [02:02] <infinity> daniels : Cock. [02:03] <fabbione> infinity: yo.... [02:04] <fabbione> infinity: eheh up to you :) [02:04] <fabbione> i had good news ;) [02:04] <fabbione> i guess i will keep them for me [02:05] <fabbione> infinity: let's move to u-k [02:05] <infinity> ? [02:05] <tseng> #ubuntu-kernel [02:06] <infinity> Right , somehow I thought he meant "let's move to the UK". [02:06] <fabbione> dude.. i like beer.. even after 11 [02:06] <pitti> seb128: so the polypaudio sink is broken? since we will keep esd in breezy, would you mind if I unseed polypaudio? [02:08] <daniels> i thought polypaudio was the way of the future [02:08] <Kamion> fabbione: my fiancee asks "if you like beer, what are you doing living in Denmark?" [02:08] <daniels> fabbione: beer is good, but infinity doesn't like beer. only alcoholic lemonade. [02:09] <daniels> Kamion: i think canonical should pay me relocation to belgoiubgleium. [02:09] <fabbione> Kamion: well denmark still produces beer.. i didn't say GOOD.. but well. i am only 6 km from Tuborg :P [02:09] <daniels> the second attempt was even worse than the first. [02:09] <fabbione> daniels: yeah yeah [02:09] <daniels> fabbione: the julebryg isn't bad. [02:10] <daniels> not as good as, say, a bottle of chimay blue, though ... [02:10] <Kamion> fabbione: maybe you should move to Scotland, it's about as cold as Denmark, they don't close at 11, and you can actually buy decent English beer ... [02:11] <jdub> i'm sure they also serve perfectly respectable scottish beer too [02:11] <daniels> Kamion: what, the Scottish climate cools the beer down? :) [02:11] <jdub> royalist! [02:11] <Kamion> the Scottish beer's OK but not as good [02:11] <Kamion> daniels: thpppppt [02:11] <Kamion> anyway, work ;) [02:12] <infinity> Work, a 10pm? [02:12] <infinity> s/a/at/ [02:13] <seb128> pitti: not at all [02:13] <seb128> infinity: can you give a retry to epiphany's build [02:13] <daniels> infinity: next he'll try to tell us that UTC is the one true timezone. [02:13] <seb128> jdub: hey :) [02:13] <jdub> yo seb128! [02:13] <seb128> pitti: so we stay on esd? [02:14] <pitti> yes, polypaudio is still too buggy (some crashes and lack of sound events), ENOTIME to work on it, and we are too close to the freeze [02:14] <tseng> jdub: oh, other beagle issue [02:14] <pitti> seb128: however, Erik said that upstream is back :-) [02:14] <pitti> seb128: so maybe there's again hope for breezy+1 :-) [02:14] <seb128> pitti: nice, for 6.04 we will use it maybe :) [02:14] <seb128> yeah [02:14] <tseng> jdub: 0.12 still expects /dev/inotify to do things normally [02:15] <tseng> jdub: we need cvs/next release for the syscall crap [02:15] <jdub> ahr [02:15] <daniels> seb128: maybe we could use howl for 6.04 also [02:15] <Kamion> infinity: no, I mean me ... [02:15] <tseng> i think ill test that now, in fact [02:15] <jdub> daniels: has howl finally killed off the APSL bits? [02:16] <seb128> daniels: you better start to run now [02:16] <daniels> jdub: don't think so, I just like giving you shit. [02:16] <daniels> seb128: HowlRoadMap, SebastienBacherLead [02:16] <jdub> it's on its way, don't know if it's going to be in a sane timeframe [02:16] <jdub> i should bug Lathiat about avahi [02:17] <seb128> jdub: somebody sent a patch for gnome-vfs bonjour support yesteday (#311882) [02:17] <jdub> aha, and bonjour is now bsd, right? [02:18] <daniels> only seb128 should be allowed to say bonjour. [02:20] <jdub> heh, it's in a tarballs/apsl/ directory [02:20] <jdub> seb128: close the bug and tell them the apsl is evil ;) [02:20] <seb128> bah [02:21] <seb128> all that sucks [02:22] <jdub> yeah [02:51] <pitti> alsa-utils changes changelog, debian/rules: [02:51] <pitti> + # do not install alsaconf for Ubuntu [02:51] <pitti> + rm -f debian/alsa-utils/usr/{sbin/alsaconf,share/man/man8/alsaconf.8.gz,share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/alsaconf.mo} [02:51] <pitti> and control: [02:51] <pitti> -Depends: ${misc:Depends}, ${shlibs:Depends}, whiptail | dialog, modutils (>= 2.3.5-1) | module-init-tools, pciutils (>= 1:2.1.11-4), python, linux-sound-base (>= 1.0.9b-1) [02:51] <pitti> +Depends: ${misc:Depends}, ${shlibs:Depends}, whiptail | dialog, modutils (>= 2.3.5-1) | module-init-tools, pciutils (>= 1:2.1.11-4), python, linux-sound-base (>= 1.0.9b-1), lsb-base (>= 1.3-9ubuntu2) [02:51] <pitti> Recommends: alsa-base (>= 1.0.9b-3) [02:51] <pitti> -Suggests: udev (>= 0.063), lsb-base [02:51] <pitti> +Suggests: udev (>= 0.063) [02:52] <pitti> really cool now :) [02:52] <pitti> I still remember the pain when merging a previous version [02:52] <jordi> pitti: hmm, the rm is a bashism. :) [02:52] <pitti> argh, sorry, ECHAN [02:52] <pitti> sorry for the flood [02:53] <tseng> infinity: blargh, tomboy fails on sbuild now because of unseeded stuff now also [02:53] <tseng> infinity: is that on its way now? [02:59] <aigarius> fabbione, ping [03:02] <fabbione> aigarius: pong? [03:03] <aigarius> fabbione, I am thinking about when to make full and when to make incremental backups [03:03] <fabbione> aigarius: i am officially in holidays since 3 minutes :) [03:03] <aigarius> ok [03:03] <fabbione> aigarius: but ok :) [03:04] <fabbione> hmm [03:04] <fabbione> how much does it on average an incremental backup? [03:04] <aigarius> 5-10% of a full backup [03:05] <aigarius> I am thinking that I could just define a max_days_between_full_backups config option [03:05] <fabbione> i would say an incremental to run at night via crontab or on request [03:06] <fabbione> and a weekly full as default [03:06] <aigarius> and do incremental backups withing that period [03:06] <fabbione> but yeah.. configurable it's even better [03:07] <aigarius> I want this behaviour to be consistent regardless of use of automatic/manual backup runs [03:08] <aigarius> I have got full backups running both locally and trough ssh [03:08] <aigarius> now working on incremental backups :) [03:08] <fabbione> aigarius: yes, but you did ask me how often... right? [03:09] <fabbione> so my suggestion is daily incremental and weekly full [03:09] <fabbione> but if you can make it configurable it's even better... [03:09] <aigarius> yes, right. good. happy holidays then. when do you plan to come back? [03:10] <fabbione> as i just wrote in the mail [03:10] <fabbione> aigarius: thanks :) [03:10] <aigarius> ah, ok [03:11] <pvanhoof> will Ubuntu breezy be xen enabled in it's kernel? [03:11] <pvanhoof> and/or is it already? (the current kernel package) [03:11] <Treenaks> xen: the hype of te moment [03:13] <pvanhoof> Treenaks, but will it be supported by the breezy kernel? :) [03:13] <carstenh> aigarius: i guess you don't backup things like /bin and /usr, because they can be restored from the packages that are installed? [03:14] <aigarius> carstenh, yes I don't do that by default [03:15] <carstenh> aigarius: how do you ensure that the same package-version are installed after restoring a full backup? [03:15] <aigarius> carstenh, you can check out my progress at http://koyanet.lv/soc/ . It is a bzr repository, but you can also get the latest version with you browser. [03:16] <aigarius> carstenh, I backup "dpkg --get-selections" [03:16] <carstenh> aigarius: i think this is nessessary, because new package-versions may have new configuration-files [03:16] <carstenh> aigarius: this does von include package-versions [03:16] <hughsie> ogra: can i ask a newbie question [03:17] <ogra> hughsie, hehe, sure :) these are my favorites ;) [03:17] <carstenh> aigarius: i guess you have well thought about the backup :) just my 5 cent ;) [03:17] <aigarius> carstenh, a full restore is kind of a special case scenario. the usual use is backup/restore of a single file or a subdir. [03:17] <carstenh> aigarius: ah, ok [03:18] <hughsie> ogra:I've installed 5.04, and want to upgrade to latest and greatest so I can try our the new dbus and hal and libnotify stuff for g-p-m [03:18] <hughsie> how ould i do this the easiest? [03:18] <aigarius> carstenh, it would be pretty hard to restore to a specific version if that is not the latest in the repository [03:19] <carstenh> aigarius: yes, ubuntu is iirc missing something like snbapshot.d.n [03:19] <ogra> hughsie, edit all occurences of hoary to breezy in the file /etc/apt/sources.list... [03:19] <hughsie> is that it? then do an apt upgrade? [03:19] <aigarius> hughsie, X is quite broken in breezy, so better don't :) [03:19] <ogra> hughsie, then run "sudo apt-get update" to get the new package lists [03:20] <ogra> hughsie, after this "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" [03:20] <aigarius> or be prepared to use a text mode IRC client for debuging :) [03:20] <ogra> hughsie, anfter that have fun in getting X working [03:20] <carstenh> aigarius: thanks for the information so far, i will have a look at it if i have time this weekend :) [03:20] <hughsie> okay, lol, thanks. how long till x being fixed? hours or days? [03:21] <ogra> hughsie, i wouldnt suggest a upgrade to breezy if you are not familiar with working around that X breakage [03:21] <Kamion> not hours [03:21] <aigarius> IIRC it has been broken for weeks and is improving very slowly [03:21] <ogra> hughsie, most likely days... daniels said something about next week... [03:22] <hughsie> ogra: okay, thanks. is apt clever, so i did sudo apt upgrade libnotify if would do all the rest? [03:22] <hughsie> of is breezy a development snapshot [03:22] <hughsie> (shouldn't be asking q's like this in devel, sorry) [03:22] <ogra> hughsie, on breezy, yes... if you do such things in hoary, it will pull in the dependencys [03:22] <Kamion> (a) the command is apt-get not apt (b) you use 'install' to upgrade single packages, not 'upgrade' [03:24] <hughsie> Kamion, thanks. I want to make sure g-p-m works in breezy with a manual dbus and hal install [03:24] <carstenh> pitti: will you be here later to talk with jeff an me about wheter our files shuold be marked as conffiles and about the script that will change the configfile? [03:24] <pitti> carstenh: I should still be here for ~ 2 hours [03:25] <ogra> hughsie, hal is already updated :) [03:25] <hughsie> 0.5.3? [03:25] <ogra> hughsie, pitti is fast ;) [03:25] <hughsie> pitti sounds like a legend [03:25] <hughsie> :-) [03:25] <hughsie> dbus? [03:25] <ogra> nope :/ [03:25] <carstenh> pitti: ok, thanks. i hope jeff will be here in the next 2 hours and have some time :) [03:26] <ogra> hughsie, thats the one that will take time i guess... [03:26] <seb128> tseng: new gtk is apt-gettable if you want to give it a try [03:26] <hughsie> ogra: i'll have a go at --prefix'ing it locally [03:26] <ogra> oki [03:26] <hughsie> thanks for the pointers, i'll five it a go now. [03:27] <ogra> yay... so we made you a ubuntite :) [03:27] <hughsie> ogra: only on my 2nd pc, laptop if firmly fc4 i'm afraid :-( [03:27] <tseng> seb128: got it [03:27] <hughsie> i figured i might as well take the plunge [03:28] <tseng> seb128: crash [03:28] <ogra> hughsie, ah well.... we all started with only one ubuntu install.... they tend to grow through your network... ITS A VIRUS watch out !! ;) [03:29] <hughsie> ogra: what can breezy do for a AGP card that gets so hot it's untouchable. I would be inpressed if it would work on X with that. [03:29] <ogra> *grin* [03:29] <hughsie> ogra: great. just as i though linux didn;t need antivirus [03:29] <ogra> it should work... if not, kick daniels to fix it :) [03:29] <hughsie> ogra: cool :-) [03:30] <ogra> there is no distro that ships a newer X then breezy... daniels is working also upstream.... [03:31] <seb128> tseng: crash what/when? [03:31] <hughsie> i was listening in on your firefox discussion yesterday. whats ubuntus policy on backporting? fc seems to be "upgrade to latest" as it's simplest [03:31] <seb128> tseng: update cairo/pango/gtk and restart your app ... if that still crash backtrace is welcome [03:31] <tseng> seb128: firefox [03:31] <tseng> seb128: i restarted all of X [03:31] <tseng> after updating [03:31] <tseng> ill get a backtrace later with cairo debug [03:31] <seb128> do you have the backtrace and the assertion of what you get on the crash? [03:32] <seb128> k [03:32] <tseng> the assertion is the same [03:32] <tseng> firefox-bin: cairo.c:86: _cairo_error: Assertion `status > CAIRO_STATUS_SUCCESS && status <= CAIRO_STATUS_FILE_NOT_FOUND' failed. [03:32] <tseng> Aborted [03:32] <ogra> hughsie, yes, we do this too now, we just changed the policy, since the upstream patches for FF are not easy backportable... [03:32] <hughsie> ff tend to update other stuff in a release i've noticed [03:32] <tseng> consider that to be a rare exception [03:33] <tseng> not a precedent to changing the rules [03:33] <ogra> hughsie, before we had a policy to just backport security related stuff to avoid new bugs through new features... [03:33] <hughsie> gotcha, thanks. [03:33] <seb128> tseng: k, let me know if you get a backtrace [03:33] <tseng> seb128: ok. [03:33] <hughsie> so you guys are going to want me to branch CVS ideally when I release 0.2.0 g-p-m? [03:33] <hughsie> at the moment i tent to just have one release (CVS!) [03:34] <ogra> hughsie, when wil that be ? [03:34] <ogra> 0.2.0 i mean [03:34] <seb128> tseng: does anything out of firefox crash? [03:34] <hughsie> few weeks at this rate [03:34] <tseng> seb128: not yet [03:34] <seb128> k, so maybe a firefox issue [03:34] <tseng> seb128: im using alot of other stuff [03:35] <pitti> hughsie: daniels wanted to update dbus on monday [03:35] <ogra> its unlikely we wont change g-p-m after my next package... since the freeze dates are near... [03:35] <ogra> s/we wont/we will [03:35] <hughsie> ogra: thats cool with me. [03:35] <hughsie> i can stick to 1.1 [03:35] <ogra> so you dont need to branch [03:35] <hughsie> you'll package cvs tho? [03:36] <ogra> i think so... except you want to roll out a tarball release during the next days while we wait for dbus [03:36] <ogra> then i'd take the tarball [03:36] <hughsie> ogra: okay, give me a few hours to finish the part-glib-ification in cvs, and i'll do 0.1.2 for you [03:36] <ogra> yay [03:42] <ogra> seb128, do you have a bug about missing transparency for png's in firefox already ? [03:43] <ogra> seb128, ah, nm, its not ff, its the screenshooter that produces them like that already [03:44] <seb128> ogra: I don't maintain firefox [03:44] <seb128> I don't have bugs about firefox [03:44] <ogra> seb128, isnt the maintainer the last one who touched it ? ;) [03:45] <Treenaks> ogra: so now IE7beta supports transparent PNGs, but firefox doesn't anymore? :P [03:45] <\sh> lol [03:45] <ogra> seb128, but the prob isnt ff as i said... my gnome-screenshooter seems to produce them without transparency [03:45] <seb128> k [03:45] <ogra> i.e. a big black border [03:45] <\sh> ogra: use gimp [03:46] <ogra> \sh, mm, wil that fix the bug... ? [03:46] <ogra> let me first check how outdated my libpng is ;) [03:46] <daniels> iz gtk boog [03:47] <pitti> elmo: please sync pmount from Debian incoming [03:47] <\sh> ogra: no..but will help u until the bug is fixed ,-) [03:47] <ogra> \sh, i can live with black borders for now :) its not this important [03:48] <ogra> i just wanted to know if its a known bug already.... [03:48] <daniels> Kamion: can we please move xterm to universe? i can't be arsed maintaining it. [03:48] <seb128> ogra: how outdated your gnome-utils is? [03:49] <\sh> daniels: no ways...xterm belongs to X like steven jobs belongs to apple [03:49] <\sh> steve even [03:49] <daniels> \sh: so find someone to maintain it ... ? [03:49] <daniels> \sh: i don't use it myself and we already have a terminal emulator in main [03:49] <ogra> seb128, a bit :) 2.11.1-0ubuntu1 [03:49] <seb128> ogra: that's probably it [03:50] <ogra> yep [03:50] <\sh> daniels: what must be done for xterm? [03:50] <seb128> try with current one [03:50] <ogra> i was suspecting that [03:50] <ogra> seb128, i'll do, thanks [03:50] <daniels> \sh: someone to keep on top of the bugs, to deal with new usptream versions, and to deal with ishikawa mutsumi in debian and get the debian and ubuntu packages synchronised. [03:50] <daniels> \sh: although ishikawa might be handing over to branden robinson, so you may have to deal with it. [03:51] <\sh> daniels: hmmm... [03:51] <daniels> s/it/him/ [03:53] <daniels> which other people are far better-qualified to do than me. [03:53] <\sh> daniels: it sounds like a nice job *sigh* is it ok for u when I'm doing it after breezy release? cause right now I want to get finished with the universe work and some kde stuff [03:53] <Kamion> daniels: :P [03:53] <daniels> \sh: sure. [03:53] <daniels> Kamion: um, this isn't an xlibs-dev situation. this is a serious question. [03:54] <daniels> Kamion: (and gravity really wants to kill xlibs-dev ...) [03:54] <Kamion> daniels: we clearly shouldn't move it to universe; it is widely used [03:54] <Kamion> and definitely in the "traditional" category [03:54] <daniels> Kamion: even in the presence of g-t and stuff like rxvt? [03:54] <\sh> daniels: ok..setteled...I will do it after breezy release in october [03:54] <daniels> Kamion: dude, xedit is traditional :P [03:54] <Kamion> yes, rxvt is quirky [03:55] <Kamion> not nearly so widely used as xterm [03:55] <daniels> i haven't even packaged that, and don't intend to. [03:55] <daniels> Kamion: not used at all AFAICT. given that it doesn't work with UTF-8 at all. [03:55] <Kamion> and g-t is slow and bulky and really not what some people want [03:55] <\sh> daniels: xterm works everywhere (normally) and UTF-8 is sometimes not wanted ,-) [03:55] <daniels> to be fair, g-t is actually a lot faster these days. [03:56] <daniels> \sh: uhm, if a text editor refuses to even start if your locale is UTF-8, it's complete crap. [03:56] <ogra> daniels, youre vouching for moving xedit to main ? [03:56] <crimsun> (xterm, I think) [03:57] <ogra> crimsun, i know ;) [03:57] <\sh> daniels: vi is starting in xterm nicely [03:57] <\sh> daniels: anyways...give me a pointer...let me have a look on it... [03:57] <daniels> ogra: no, I'm vouching for xedit ceasing to be distributed at all. [03:57] <daniels> \sh: um, apt-get source xterm? [03:57] <ogra> heh [03:58] <ogra> doko, where is wxgtk2.6 ? i need a working audacity for edubuntu [03:59] <wasabi> My X colors are all messed up. How can I reset them? [03:59] <wasabi> vmware did it. =/ [03:59] <crimsun> heh, I was just going to ping doko about that for vlc ;) [03:59] <ogra> heh [03:59] <daniels> \sh: and restore lxterm, koi8rterm, and uxterm (or whatever) from xterm 6.8.2-10, becuase I think they went missing [03:59] <daniels> wasabi: try doing a VT swtich [03:59] <doko> ogra: needs some fixing, to have both 2.4 and 2.6 installed at the same time [03:59] <wasabi> daniels: can't. [03:59] <ogra> doko, any ETA ? [03:59] <daniels> wasabi: can't? [03:59] <wasabi> My GF can't come back if I do so. [04:00] <wasabi> Once I go to console, I have to reboot. ;) [04:00] <daniels> really? what the bloody hell sort of driver are you running? [04:00] <doko> this weekend [04:00] <wasabi> the binary one. [04:00] <ogra> yay [04:00] <wasabi> DVI out. [04:00] <wasabi> Works fine with VGA out. [04:00] <daniels> wasabi: matrox? [04:00] <ogra> doko, thanks a lot :) [04:00] <wasabi> geforce. [04:00] <daniels> wasabi: heh. both pieces. [04:00] <\sh> DAMN why can't I SHUT MY MOUTH ,-> [04:01] <daniels> AHR IT'S THE RETURN OF THE ONE-EYED EMOTICON [04:01] <wasabi> Yeah, well, it sucks. But that's the way it has been for about a year now. [04:01] <daniels> accompanied by ZIPPY the PINHEAD [04:01] <ogra> daniels, mga is totally fucked by intention ? [04:02] <\sh> daniels: uxterm should ne in xterm source + a special lib [04:02] <daniels> ogra: nope, it's just that mga only allows DVI through their binary driver because they're a completely closed shop at the moment [04:03] <daniels> \sh: um, isn't it just a shell script? [04:03] <ogra> daniels, i have a fresh install here, that hardlocks after trying to start X [04:03] <\sh> daniels: a wrapper yes..let me have a look first...*grrr* [04:03] <ogra> daniels, the console gets a green border and doenst show anything anymore [04:04] <\sh> I think I have to marry daniels...sometimes I think it good to have him as wife ;-) he will tell me when to shut up *harhar* [04:04] <daniels> ogra: yeah, gcc4 sucks. the next xorg upload (monday?) will be compiled against a fixed version of gcc4. in the mean time, try grabbing libvgwha.a from a hoary system. [04:04] <daniels> \sh: at least you have two eyes now [04:05] <ogra> daniels, i'm fine to run this system in console mode for now... thanks for the info [04:05] <daniels> ogra: no worries [04:06] <\sh> daniels: I'm not a crippled guy...dodn't u know..two eyes, two arms, two legs, two..nevermind and I'm working...in germany this is really hard to get...so last chance *evilgrin* [04:14] <pitti> Hi lamont [04:15] <lamont> mornign pitti [04:15] <JaneW> hi lamont [04:15] <lamont> morning JaneW [04:16] <seb128> Hi lamont [04:16] <lamont> hi seb128 [04:16] <lamont> and everyone else [04:16] <seb128> lamont: could you put a retry on epiphany-browser ? [04:16] <lamont> sure [04:16] <seb128> thanks [04:19] <lamont> seb128: done [04:27] <hughsie> ogra: well impressed with your updates tool [04:27] <ogra> hughsie, apt ? [04:28] <hughsie> no, i'm just updating hoary with all the updates [04:28] <hughsie> the visual update program [04:28] <ogra> ah [04:28] <hughsie> much better than fc4 [04:28] <ogra> kudos for that one go to mvo :) [04:28] <hughsie> but fc4's networking tool is better [04:28] <hughsie> so it's one all :-) [04:29] <ogra> we'll have NM in breezy (hopefully) [04:29] <hughsie> ogra: thats cool. where's your services tool? [04:29] <tseng> system - admin - services [04:30] <ogra> gnome will have the g-s-t tool upstream... we'll use it [04:30] <tseng> we have it [04:30] <ogra> tseng, not in hoary [04:30] <tseng> buh [04:30] <tseng> who uses that :P [04:30] <hughsie> tseng :-) [04:30] <doko> seb128: evolution doesn't work anymore reading from an IMAP server ... started after the latest upload [04:30] <hughsie> i'll update soon, but i want x! [04:30] <ogra> tseng, people that use X [04:30] <hughsie> heh [04:30] <daniels> um, X works fine in breezy [04:31] <daniels> latest X works fine in breezy [04:31] <daniels> i'm even running it now [04:31] <\sh> yes...I have a german keyboard again :) [04:31] <ogra> daniels, haha [04:31] <tseng> i think we need mkfontdir [04:31] <tseng> yet [04:31] <seb128> doko: what does it say? [04:31] <daniels> tseng: yeah, mkfontdir is needed, and I have its required library in NEW now [04:31] <baggins> hi danies [04:31] <baggins> +l [04:32] <daniels> tseng: but it won't matter on upgrades from hoary [04:32] <daniels> baggins: yo [04:32] <baggins> how's it going? [04:32] <tseng> daniels: huh, my upgrade from hoary the other day broke pretty bad [04:32] <tseng> cant find fixed font [04:32] <tseng> and yes i fixed the paths [04:32] <daniels> tseng: oh well
 tseng: yeah, mkfontdir is needed, and I have its required library in NEW now [04:32] <daniels> baggins: not too badly [04:32] <tseng> yes [04:32] <ogra> ;) [04:32] <doko> seb128: Loading ... [04:33] <seb128> doko: with the update from this afternoon? [04:33] <doko> ye [04:33] <\sh> daniels: u want to have a new xterm-203 in breezy? [04:34] <daniels> \sh: sure, if it works [04:34] <\sh> lets see :) [04:34] <daniels> \sh: it needs --sysconfdir=/etc in debian/rules [04:34] <daniels> apparently it doesn't load its app-defaults right now [04:37] <\sh> daniels: it has.. [04:38] <daniels> \sh: hm, ok [04:44] <mvo> I need a good name for the NetwidePackageUpdate program. it's called auto-pkg-update-{server,client} right now and that name sucks :/ [04:44] <bddebian> Heya [04:44] <mdz> Lathiat: yes? [04:44] <mdz> pitti: yes, I acked the new hal [04:45] <pitti> mdz: Good morning! Thanks, ogra and seb128 confirmed, so I already uploaded it :-) It works just fine and fixes a couple of bugs [04:45] <\sh> mvo: apucs [04:45] <mvo> \sh: nice and short, but a bit cryptic. what does it mean? [04:45] <mdz> pitti: great [04:45] <ogra> mdz, first edubuntu testinstall up and running here.... no X though... [04:46] <hughsie> ogra: in sources.list, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy main restraicted universe [04:46] <ogra> hughsie, looks ok [04:46] <mdz> ogra: aren't all of the edubuntu apps X apps? [04:46] <hughsie> ogra: then sudo apt-get install libnotify doesn't work [04:46] <ogra> mdz, not the server part [04:46] <ogra> hughsie, sudo apt-get update [04:46] <\sh> auto-pkg-update-client'n'server [04:46] <ogra> hughsie, before the install command [04:47] <seb128> hi mdz [04:47] <hughsie> ogra: i have to update the whole lot? [04:47] <carstenh> is it possible to limit the output of packages.ubuntu.org to show only packages in main? [04:47] <ogra> hughsie, the package list [04:47] <ogra> hughsie, apt-get update only updates the info about available packages [04:47] <hughsie> ohh, sorry, yes i did this [04:47] <\sh> mvo: it's an abbrev. of your package name...:) [04:48] <\sh> mvo: in alphabetic order :) [04:48] <lamont> (if it's marked 'Building', and it's in main, it's almost certainly a failure) [04:48] <ogra> hughsie, and s/restraicted/restricted i hope [04:49] <hughsie> yes, sorry, transcribing all this from an vnc window [04:49] <carstenh> and if not, has anybody a idea to get a list of packages in main that provide a file in /etc/init.d/? [04:49] <hughsie> i can do sudo apt-get update libnotify [04:49] <ogra> hughsie, just to be sure :) [04:49] <hughsie> but that want to download 200mb of packages [04:50] <ogra> hughsie, yep... dependency management.... libnotify depends on the stuff it was built against (breezy) [04:50] <hughsie> okay, gotcha. I'll give that a go. [04:51] <hughsie> my server kicks arse. [04:51] <ogra> hughsie, look that there gets no X stuff upgraded... it could break badly [04:51] <mvo> \sh: I think apu is a good name, so it will be apu-client and apu-server [04:51] <hughsie> i get to keep both bits. [04:51] <hughsie> presumably I can just apt-get from non-x terminal in a few days? [04:51] <ogra> yep [04:52] <ogra> hughsie, daniels said something about monday... lets see [04:52] <hughsie> ogra: cool [04:52] <ogra> hughsie, for X (not for dbus) [04:53] <daniels> x will hopefully be monday also [04:53] <ogra> daniels, also ? [04:53] <Keybuk> daniels: you an I need a word, outside ... :) [04:53] <\sh> mvo: yeah :) apu sounds good :) [04:53] <ogra> daniels, does that mean you already prepared a new dbus ? [04:53] <daniels> Keybuk: not until you fix dpkg. it's screwing us up trying to build mesa. [04:54] <Keybuk> "fix dpkg" ? [04:54] <daniels> Keybuk: actually, that might make the word outside even more interesting ... [04:54] <daniels> Keybuk: apt-get install leading to dpkg segfaults are bad, ok? [04:54] <Keybuk> bug#? [04:54] <daniels> ogra: largely, yeah [04:54] <ogra> daniels, yay.... [04:54] <ogra> hughsie, ^^^ [04:54] <ogra> :) [04:54] <hughsie> sweet as [04:55] <hughsie> nice one daniels [05:00] <\sh> ok..going home..and if everything works fine, daniels will have his xterm tonight [05:00] <\sh> bbl [05:00] <daniels> seb128: cairo.c, line 86. dunno if it's in firefox or pango. [05:00] <hughsie> anyone want to buy a server? [05:04] <Keybuk> so, who wants to help me debug dpkg? :p [05:04] <daniels> iwj volunteers [05:05] <Keybuk> s/iwj/Diziet/, non? :p [05:08] <seb128> daniels: what cairo.c ? [05:08] <daniels> seb128: dunno. that's the fun part. :) [05:08] <seb128> daniels: where/how did you get that? [05:08] <seb128> daniels: cairo.c is a cairo source file [05:09] <daniels> 13:03 < thaytan> firefox-bin: cairo.c:86: _cairo_error: Assertion `status > CAIRO_STATUS_SUCCESS && [05:09] <daniels> status <= CAIRO_STATUS_FILE_NOT_FOUND' failed. [05:10] <daniels> i don't have copies of any source trees with me, so I can't check it out at the moment. but you sure it's not in pango or anything? [05:10] <lamont> Keybuk: what did you do to dpkg? [05:10] <daniels> although _cairo_error does look a little sus [05:10] <Keybuk> lamont: nothing [05:10] <Keybuk> quite literally [05:10] <daniels> lamont: broke it on hppa, and only hppa [05:10] <Keybuk> I'm wondering whether the zlib security upload broke it [05:10] <lamont> hrm... gonna need a really really really big trebuchet to reach .au [05:11] <lamont> what's the failure mechanism? [05:11] <Keybuk> infinity: *poke* [05:12] <lamont> Kamion: ping [05:14] <Keybuk> sweet, metacity segfaulted again [05:14] <lamont> Kamion: nm [05:14] <Keybuk> I didn't need a window manager anyway [05:15] <daniels> gtk bug [05:24] <infinity> Keybuk : You're not going to like it. [05:25] <hughsie> ogra: ubuntu supports rpm? [05:26] <ogra> hughsie, through alien, yes... but i'd prefer a .deb from the package if i were you [05:26] <ogra> s/a .deb/a real .deb/ [05:26] <hughsie> ogra: okay, just seemed like the coke c.e.o saying "is pepsi okay?" [05:27] <ogra> heh [05:27] <mjg59> So I have a couple of packages that could do with uploading for Breezy [05:27] <mjg59> But I don't have upload rights [05:27] <mjg59> What's the best approach? [05:27] <ogra> alien is a great tool if you cant find any .deb.... but with more then 16000 packages in the archive its seldom that you dont find what youre looking for [05:28] <mjg59> (Other than to bully James into adding me to the keyring...) [05:28] <daniels> mjg59: step one: buy me beer [05:28] <daniels> mjg59: step two: profit [05:28] <ogra> mjg59, main ? universe ? for universe, just thriw them at anybody in #ubuntu-motu [05:28] <ogra> throw even [05:29] <mjg59> Probably universe for now, but targetted at main [05:29] <mjg59> seb128: Did you get the bug I filed for hotkey support? [05:30] <seb128> yep, I'm busy with cairo/gtk update today though [05:30] <hughsie> ogra: bah, real men don'e need X. [05:30] <mjg59> seb128: No problem [05:31] <ogra> hughsie, true... except when they have to build a distro alone that has two critical places that depend on X ;) [05:31] <ogra> (talking about edubuntu) [05:32] <hughsie> ogra: pahh, all i need is a curses xchat replacement ! [05:33] <ogra> hughsie, i doubt i'd make the teachers happy with that ... especially a ltsp install without X is funny :) [05:33] <ogra> mdz, ltsp breaks in xlibs installation currently... [05:33] <mdz> ogra: did you file a bug? [05:34] <ogra> mdz, nope, because next X is due for monday anyway... [05:34] <ogra> mdz, it worked on monday though... [05:34] <daniels> how does it break? [05:35] <ogra> daniels, non informative with "Errors were encountered while processing: ... " no error above that... [05:35] <ogra> i'll investigate a bit more in about 30min... [05:35] <daniels> ogra: should work in -43, but -44 will definitely fix [05:36] <ogra> it might also be the us mirror... the ltsp script defaults to that... i'll try my next ltsp install with archive.ubuntu.com [05:38] <mdz> ogra: there was surely an error above that [05:38] <ogra> wait a sec... its in the other room [05:39] <daniels> mdz: no, not necessarily [05:39] <daniels> mdz: there was a problem (which was only in -42, IIRC), where the last line of xlibs.preinst was test -d foo && bar [05:39] <ogra> nope, no other error... [05:39] <daniels> mdz: test -d foo fails, and the last exit status is 1 [05:39] <mdz> daniels: in which case dpkg would have printed a message saying that the exit status was nonzero [05:39] <mdz> ogra: please mail me an unabridged copy of the log [05:40] <ogra> mdz, ok [05:44] <\sh> re [05:47] <bddebian> wb \sh [05:54] <\sh> daniels: xterm-203 works for me on i386 [05:55] <mdz> ogra: I don't see it yet [05:55] <ogra> mdz, i just reran the install wait a sec [05:55] <daniels> \sh: cool [05:57] <\sh> u need it now? or in 2h..so I can go and take a nap first ,-) [05:58] <daniels> \sh: um, whenever. i'm not desperate for it. might be worth emailing ishikawa@debian.org to see what he thinks first. [05:59] <ogra> now, could someone tell my why "2&>1 > ltsp.log" swallows the error ? [05:59] <bddebian> 2>&1 [05:59] <ogra> thats what i meant... sorry typo here [05:59] <bddebian> :-) [05:59] <\sh> daniels: debian is using the bundeled xterm...hmmm [06:00] <daniels> \sh: yeah, but ishikawa -- who did all the work on xfree86 4.2 -- did xterm packages for when it gets split out [06:00] <daniels> and it's in our interest to not deviate from debian if we can avoid it [06:00] <daniels> so if you chat to him and see if you can get the packages as close together as possible ... [06:00] <\sh> k..will email him :) [06:03] <\sh> k..mailed him... [06:04] <daniels> cool [06:09] <ogra> mdz, dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs_6.8.2-43_all.deb (--unpack): [06:09] <ogra> subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 [06:09] <ogra> it occurs way earlier in the process and was hidden [06:10] <daniels> right, that's probably one of the ones I fixed for -44 [06:10] <daniels> which will land on Monday [06:20] <ogra> daniels, rmdir: `/etc/X11/xkb/geometry/digital_vndr': Directory not empty [06:20] <ogra> seems to be the original reason for the error [06:21] <Amaranth> *groan* [06:22] <Amaranth> it's something that's supposed to fail on breezy but not make the script exit [06:22] <Amaranth> because it needs to be done for a clean upgrade from hoary [06:22] <Amaranth> or something like that [06:22] <daniels> yeah, I fixed the bug that tanked that [06:22] <ogra> oki [06:23] <bddebian> Nighty night :-) [06:23] <\sh> laters [06:34] <Kamion> mdz: I've just uploaded oem-config. Can I seed it for main? Do I need pitti to look over it for security first? [06:40] <HiddenWolf> kamion, any other devel, is that ubuntu-lite project official, will it ever be? [06:41] <ogra> HiddenWolf, vedran is working out the seeds... i'm not sure if a iso image is planned, but you will find a ubuntu-lite metapackage [06:42] <Kamion> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LightweightDesktop [06:42] <HiddenWolf> good. My roommate just came running up to me with an ancient win2k laptop bsod-ing on boot. [06:42] <HiddenWolf> And I'd like to stick er on ubuntu. [06:43] <ogra> HiddenWolf, i'm talking about breezy [06:44] <ogra> so you probably should take hoary with a server install and install the desktop manually [06:44] <HiddenWolf> ogra, I've given her a windows cd for now, but just figuring out the options. [06:44] <ogra> ah [06:44] <HiddenWolf> I'm not going to fiddle with a 300mhz/64meg laptop on a saturday night. ;) [06:44] <HiddenWolf> nor a friday. [06:44] <ogra> heh [06:45] <HiddenWolf> would hoary/xfce do for now? [06:45] <ogra> sure [06:46] <HiddenWolf> ogra, once again, you rock. [06:46] <ogra> thanks :) [06:48] <vedran> HiddenWolf: try the iso here www.ubuntulite.org it uses a different installer that wipes out your hard drive ;) but otherwise is pretty much the future lightweight desktop seed [06:48] <HiddenWolf> vedran: how usable is it, atm? [06:49] <vedran> v1.0 works but you have to login as root and configure x.org manually [06:49] <HiddenWolf> ah. [06:49] <vedran> v1.1 will fix that and other issues [06:49] <HiddenWolf> what's the desktop used? [06:50] <vedran> icewm [06:50] <HiddenWolf> I need something that won't scare away a teenager. [06:50] <HiddenWolf> any screenshots anywhere? [06:51] <vedran> umm no [06:51] <vedran> http://www.linuxcdmall.com/ubuntulite-screenshots.html [06:52] <HiddenWolf> lol [06:52] <HiddenWolf> that's a ripped off winxp install. :P [06:52] <mdz> Kamion: OK to seed [06:53] <vedran> HiddenWolf: heh it's just an icewm theme but official ubuntulite will not use that ofcourse [06:53] <HiddenWolf> vedran: the site says it's not an official project. Is it not a project yet, or will it never be? [06:54] <vedran> long story short - the guy started it independently and we are now trying to merge [06:55] <HiddenWolf> Good. [06:55] <Kamion> mdz: done [06:56] <HiddenWolf> I'm not going to go anywhere else, not for a crappy laptop owned by the dumbest of girls I've ever known. :P [06:56] <shackan> vedran, does it have anything good for merging ? [06:57] <Amaranth> does icewm support all the fd.o specs? [06:57] <HiddenWolf> shackan: if nothing else, a config that runs on "anything" [06:57] <vedran> shackan: well mostly package list, some config hacks and the installer has the same goals as oem-installer [06:58] <shackan> uhm, the installer seems still the old stile textmode stuf [06:58] <shackan> *stuff [06:58] <doko> seb128: imap doesn't work with evolution 2.3.6.1 as well [06:58] <shackan> are we getting a graphical installer some day ? [06:58] <seb128> doko: you already said so [06:59] <HiddenWolf> shackan: count on it, if ubuntu is planning to distribute with HP. ;) [06:59] <doko> seb128: no, that was 2.3.6 [06:59] <seb128> doko: ah [06:59] <shackan> uh, didn't know that [06:59] <seb128> doko: it does nothing? [06:59] <vedran> shackan: why graphical? it isn't even interactive :P [06:59] <seb128> doko: try to evolution --force-shutdown && evolution [06:59] <vedran> guess that beats microsoft for usability... [07:00] <shackan> lol [07:01] <doko> seb128: same behaviour [07:01] <Kamion> shackan: see http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalInstaller, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress [07:01] <seb128> doko: it hangs? [07:02] <doko> seb128: Clicking on the Tab in the left pane, it says "Loading ..." (the mailbox), then nothing happens. I'm able to click on other things, so the application itself doesn't hang [07:04] <seb128> doko: that's using IMAP or IMAP4v1? [07:05] <doko> imap4 [07:07] <doko> seb128: wait, the preferences overview says imap4, but the dialog imap4v1 [07:14] <ogra> Amaranth, icewm has a own menu system :/ [07:18] <jasoncohen> ogra, hey, i asked yesterday if mozilla-mplayer 2.85 would get into breeezy. 2.85 has been in sid for over a month and it works here. The releases since 2.7 have made signifigant aesthetic changes to the UI and there have also been some features added I believe [07:18] <ogra> jasoncohen, i saw the bug already... [07:18] <Amaranth> what UI? [07:18] <Amaranth> there's a UI? [07:19] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, yes, if you compile with --enable-gtk2 [07:19] <daniels> http://thedailywtf.com/forums/39325/ShowPost.aspx [07:19] <daniels> argh [07:19] <jasoncohen> let me get the bug [07:19] <ogra> Amaranth, yes after the totem plugin mplaye now stars thattoo [07:19] <Amaranth> Can someone translate for me? :) [07:20] <Amaranth> they're doing it because totem got a plugin? [07:20] <ogra> Amaranth, totem plugin has a pause and a fullscreen button [07:20] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, basically, the debian mozilla-mplayer is compiled without gtk2 support so there are no menus or buttons [07:20] <ogra> Amaranth, i guess thats what they added to mplayer too now... [07:20] <jasoncohen> if you compile with gtk2 (the default for mozilla-mplayer), you get a more attractive interferace, buttons, and a menu which you can download the stream [07:21] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1598 [07:22] <jasoncohen> i've already packaged a new 2.70 deb with the trivial changes [07:22] <jasoncohen> ogra, would you be opposed to making the change? [07:23] <ogra> jasoncohen, i currently dont have the time for it... but will look into it.. i'm not sure if the current version in multiverse is marillat or sid [07:24] <jasoncohen> does marillat even have mozilla-mplayer? [07:24] <Amaranth> daniels: that is sad [07:24] <jasoncohen> i thought they used debian's version [07:24] <jasoncohen> Maintainer: Rene Engelhard <rene@debian.org> [07:25] <jasoncohen> so, i guess it's sid [07:25] <shaya> anyone having firefox crashes due to cairo? [07:25] <shaya> firefox-bin: cairo.c:86: _cairo_error: Assertion `status > CAIRO_STATUS_SUCCESS && status <= CAIRO_STATUS_FILE_NOT_FOUND' failed. [07:26] <shaya> do I have to rebuild firefox due to cairo 0.6? [07:32] <jasoncohen> i just receivedc DSA-769-1 for gaim. It fixes CAN-2005-2370 but this is not shown on http://gaim.sourceforge.net/security/. Also, CAN-2005-1934 AND CAN-2005-1269 remain unfixed. anyone know where this CAN came from or if it affects hoary? [07:33] <Kamion> mdz: I'm thinking that OEMRescue wants to be deferred for breezy [07:34] <mdz> Kamion: given that it's always said that it wants OEMInstaller in place first, and OEMInstaller is getting down to the wire, yeah, I agree [07:34] <Kamion> mdz: OEMInstaller is in plausible shape now (the main problems are ropey UI, not major lacks of functionality), but OEMRescue is going to take a fair bit more development [07:34] <Treenaks> jasoncohen: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2005-2370 [07:35] <Kamion> so yeah, I'd like to do it right for breezy+1 rather than do a rushed half-arsed job and neglect other higher-priority things [07:35] <jasoncohen> thanks Treenaks [07:37] <jasoncohen> heh, i don't get the debian security team. they fix a big in gadu which affects a miniscule number of people but leave firefox unpatched for weeks [07:37] <Kamion> mdz: sorry the dependent task took so long [07:37] <mdz> Kamion: no problem; rescue was always lower priority [07:38] <Kamion> rescue's pretty heavily debated as well, judging from its comments section ... [07:40] <mjg59> What C library do we use in the initrd? Any? [07:41] <HiddenWolf> jasoncohen: did they ever make sense? perhaps that gadu bug was just easier. [07:41] <jbailey> mjg59: glibc and klibc right now. [07:41] <mjg59> jbailey: Both? Eww. [07:41] <jbailey> mjg59: Likely to stay with glibc for breezy. [07:41] <mjg59> Ah, fine. [07:41] <mjg59> So usplash doesn't have to be statically linked? [07:41] <jbailey> mjg59: I had hoped to do klibc. It has certain deficiancies. I got a chance to talk to HPA about them at OLS, and they won't be solved in the timeframe we need. [07:41] <jbailey> mjg59: Right. [07:41] <jasoncohen> HiddenWolf, they're probably trying to figure out a way to backport the security fixes from 1.0.5 without breaking firefox which neither Ubuntu or Red Hat could do [07:42] <mjg59> jbailey: We still need to work out some way to keep the fifo available to it [07:42] <HiddenWolf> jasoncohen: well, good for them. ;) [07:42] <jasoncohen> Debian would never just package the upstream version. Rather than package a new mozilla in woody, they left mozilla 1.0.0 unpatched for over a year [07:42] <HiddenWolf> imho they're just destroying their legitimacy as a rock-solid safe system. [07:42] <jbailey> mjg59: We've been talking about move_mount'ing /dev to the new root partition. If you drop it in there, would it be good enough? [07:43] <mjg59> jbailey: Sure, that would do [07:43] <mjg59> jbailey: Any preferences about the name? [07:43] <jbailey> 'kay. I'll backport the patch from Debian's udev o cope with that, then. [07:43] <Treenaks> HiddenWolf: Yes, but don't forget that the mozilla guys are being dicks too [07:44] <mjg59> jbailey: Ah - that's a point. How early will /dev appear, and will it be writable? [07:44] <jbailey> mjg59: As long as it's low-conflict, I don't care.... usplash-fifo ? =) [07:44] <Keybuk> mdz: #ubuntu-meeting [07:44] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks: I'm not familiar with the details, but I got a distinct impression to that extent, yes. [07:45] <mjg59> jbailey: If /dev is dynamic, we'll need to create the fifo on boot [07:45] <mjg59> So we can't really start usplash until it's appeared [07:46] <jbailey> I can mount it right before init-top is run, I guess, to make sure it's available for you. [07:46] <mjg59> jbailey: Ok, that would work [07:47] <jbailey> mjg59: Are you a C application? Can you just call mkfifo yourself, or do you need /bin/mkfifo ? [07:47] <jbailey> mkfifo(3) rather I mean [07:47] <mjg59> jbailey: C, so that's not a problem [07:48] <jbailey> Hmm, klibc provides mkfifo anyway, so it's no big deal either way. [07:48] <jbailey> I mean klibc-utils provides /bin/mkfifo [07:48] <mjg59> jbailey: Ok. So basically all I need at the moment is the /dev and for vga16fb to be loaded. What's the right way to hook in to start usplash? [07:49] <Keybuk> mjg59: #ubuntu-meeting :) [07:49] <jbailey> To get vga16b loaded, the best thing is to drop a file called "usplash" that contains the word "vga16b" into /usr/share/initramfs-tools/modules.d [07:50] <jbailey> To start it, drop the shell script that does what you need into /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top [07:50] <jbailey> It needs to optionally accept one argument [07:50] <jbailey> mjg59: Mind if I /msg you with a flood? [07:50] <mjg59> jbailey: Cool. Go ahead [07:51] <sabdfl> mdz: #ubuntu-meeting for mjg59? [07:51] <Keybuk> quickly! before our net connection drops again! :p [07:51] <sabdfl> *cough* *splutter* did i just see usplash? [07:51] <Kamion> jasoncohen: dude, we didn't package the upstream version until a couple of days ago either. :-) [07:52] <Kamion> previous performance no indicator of future performance, etc. [07:52] <jasoncohen> Kamion, yes, i know [07:52] <jbailey> mjg59: That emulates a dependancy-based init setup [07:52] <mjg59> sabdfl: Yeah, package ought to be ready soon [07:52] <jasoncohen> Kamion, but ubuntu learned the error of their ways. It's simply too much of a burden to backport security fixes for mozilla/firefox on multiple distros. why do you think warty was never patched? pitti said he spent 40 hours backporting fixes [07:53] <jbailey> mjg59: At the moment it's a hard dependancy. It will soon be a soft dependancy so that if the thing you depend on doesn't exist, it won't worry about it. [07:53] <jasoncohen> that's why debian gave up on woody [07:53] <mjg59> jbailey: Ok. In this case, do I need to check for anything? [07:53] <mjg59> Modules will be loaded before I run? [07:53] <jbailey> mjg59: Nope. The snippet that I pasted you will basically just do what you need. [07:54] <jbailey> oo, good question. [07:54] <sabdfl> mjg59: that's awesome news. how does it look? [07:54] <jbailey> This might be before module load. =) [07:54] <ogra> mjg59, congrats for main uploader status :) [07:54] <sabdfl> ogra: fastest confirmation *ever* [07:54] <jbailey> Whups, that's before the modules are loaded. [07:54] <ogra> sabdfl, yep, i followed it... *g* [07:55] <jbailey> mjg59: Will you need anything more in /dev than /dev/console? [07:55] <mjg59> sabdfl: At the moment? Ugly :) [07:55] <sabdfl> holler if you have specs for the artwork team [07:55] <mjg59> jbailey: /dev/fb0 - is udev running at that point? If not, then it'll need to be created [07:55] <mjg59> sabdfl: I've passed stuff on to Jane [07:55] <sabdfl> ok cool, can't wait to see it [07:56] <jbailey> mjg59: It's not. udevstart isn't called until all the modules are loaded. [07:56] <sabdfl> of course, we're all a little scared of breezy over here in chickenpox land, since daniels b0rked keybuk's X :-) [07:56] <jbailey> mjg59: I'm' trying to figure out where to add the hook for you. [07:56] <mjg59> jbailey: Ok. In that case can you make sure that it exists? [07:56] <mjg59> Thanks! [07:56] <jbailey> mjg59: Do you want this running before the root file system is mounted? [07:56] <mjg59> jbailey: Ideally [07:57] <ogra> whee, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-July/044259.html [07:58] <jbailey> Okay. I have specific premount hooks for when booting off of a local harddrive and when booting off of nfs. I just need to make a generic one. [07:58] <\sh> *yawn* g'evening [07:58] <mjg59> jbailey: Oh, hrm. I could do with the "open" command. [07:58] <mjg59> Is that practical? [08:00] <jbailey> that's another 115k. A lighter solution would be nicer if possible. [08:01] <mjg59> Arh. [08:01] <jbailey> Otherwise, there's no hard limit on i386 for the initramfs. [08:01] <mjg59> I can probably implement the VT ioctl stuff myself, I guess. [08:02] <jbailey> mjg59: Depends how much grief it is. Compared to a stack of kernel modules, it's not big deal, but if it's a trivial convenience it's a bit heavy. [08:02] <\sh> hmmm.. [08:04] <mjg59> jbailey: Nah, I can probably do it myself. No idea why "open" is that big, though. [08:04] <jbailey> It's the two console-tools libraries that it depends on. [08:04] <jbailey> open itself is 14k [08:09] <mjg59> Ah, ok [08:09] <mjg59> Building it statically would probably be smaller, but still... [08:14] <jbailey> mjg59: To confirm, I'll give you a generic mount hook. The means that you'll be able to hop in after all the modules are loaded, and so after /dev is populated with base system devices (So, no lvm, md, or evms). After that happens, md, lvm, evms, any cryptroot stuff, nfsroot's fetching of an ip address, nfsmount, local mount, etc. happens. [08:14] <\sh> infinito: ping [08:14] <infinito> \sh: hi! [08:14] <\sh> infinito: I just had a quick look on gcfilms [08:14] <mjg59> jbailey: Ok. So at that point, /dev/fb0 exists. I create a /dev/usplash_fifo, change to a new VT, splash stuff on the screen [08:15] <jbailey> Yup [08:15] <\sh> infinito: and I don't think it's ready to be synced from debian to ubuntu [08:15] <mjg59> jbailey: After that, things call usplash_write to write stuff to usplash [08:15] <infinito> \sh: why? [08:15] <mjg59> When we mount the real root, the same fifo exists in the same place. [08:15] <\sh> infinito: it starts out with missing dpatch build-deps [08:15] <jbailey> mjg59: 'kay. Does usplash_write fall back to displaying on the console if usplash isn't running? [08:15] <mjg59> jbailey: So we don't do any chrooting in this model? [08:15] <mjg59> jbailey: No, but the model I've assumed is that usplash_write is called in addition to echo [08:15] <infinito> \sh: i know... buff... our version is patched, but the debian dev seems to be missing [08:15] <\sh> infinito: and if I have to change it, then it will get an ubuntu package version stamp and it's not be synced automatically anymore [08:16] <jbailey> mjg59: 'kay. Does usplash_write fail silently if there's no usplash to write to? [08:16] <\sh> infinito: so it has to go to our MOTU Review Process [08:16] <mjg59> jbailey: Yup, without blocking [08:16] <\sh> infinito: and for that, please join #ubuntu-motu to discuss this [08:16] <infinito> \sh: ok [08:16] <jbailey> mjg59: With an error code? I think I do set -e usually now, so I'd hate to suddenly have the system die because someone didn't have usplash running. [08:17] <mjg59> jbailey: No, with 0 in that case [08:17] <jbailey> Cool [08:17] <jbailey> mjg59: What chroot stuff are you thinking of? [08:17] <mjg59> It'll error if something goes bizarro-wrong [08:17] <mjg59> jbailey: The usplash process started from initramfs ought to be running until gdm starts. Is it going to have the same filesystem namespace once / is mounted? [08:18] <mjg59> Hmm. This may be fun :) [08:18] <jbailey> mjg59: We'll have to test it. I don't know what a move mount looks like to a process that's already running. [08:18] <jbailey> So far nothing had been persistant. =) [08:18] <mjg59> jbailey: It reopens the fifo after every command is written (because it gets closed after the writer disconnects) [08:20] <mjg59> So, uh. I have no real idea what'll happen. [08:20] <jbailey> Excellent! [08:20] <mjg59> Possibly it should communicate over unix domain sockets instead, or something. [08:20] <jbailey> Umm, given that you'll have the same /dev in the new place, I suspect it'll be fine. [08:20] <jbailey> Like I see it as two possibilities. [08:20] <mjg59> But is it the same place as far as an already running process is concerned? [08:21] <jbailey> Either move mounts don't affect currently running processes, in which case you'll have the same /dev you always did. [08:21] <mjg59> We could do with Al Viro, really... [08:21] <jbailey> Or it'll get move and you see the new filesystem layout, in which case we just need to make sure that nothing writes to the fifo between moving dev and moving / [08:22] <mjg59> Well, let's go with it as is for the moment and see what breaks [08:24] <mjg59> jbailey: Ok, looks like I need /dev/tty%d as well. Is that a problem? [08:25] <jbailey> tty's and pty's are there. [08:26] <mjg59> jbailey: Ok, sorted. [08:26] <mjg59> 6 lines of extra code [08:26] <jbailey> Lovely. =) [08:29] <mdz> ogra: have you tested ltsp with the new unionfs in -6? [08:31] <ogra> mdz, -6 ? [08:32] <mdz> ogra: kernel -6 [08:33] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~$ dpkg -l|grep linux-image [08:33] <ogra> ii linux-image-2.6.12-4-386 2.6.12-4.4 [08:33] <ogra> installed this afternoon from yesterdays daily [08:34] <Kamion> -6 is still in NEW [08:34] <ogra> ahh, thats the prob [08:34] <ogra> :) [08:35] <Amaranth> o_O [08:35] <mdz> ogra,Kamion: processing it now [08:38] <Kamion> mdz: apt seems to need to build-depend on xmlto now [08:38] <mdz> Kamion: that stuff is only necessary for building the source package [08:38] <Kamion> mdz: at least, that's what's missing when building mvo's progress-reporting branch [08:38] <mdz> the source package ships with pregenerated docs [08:38] <Kamion> oh, ok [08:38] <mdz> it's sort of a pre-build-dep [08:38] <mdz> I think it's documented somewhere-or-other [08:39] <\sh> Mithrandir: maswan: can u please update on ravel breezy chroot with: xmms-dev (>= 1.2.10+cvs20050209) libsqlite3-dev libpcre3-dev (>=4.3) libtag1-dev libvorbis-dev (>=1.0) fftw3-dev libglib2.0-dev dpatch automake zlib1g-dev libx11-dev libxss-dev [08:39] <Kamion> we're going to have to think about standardising machine-readable representations of that if we're pushing buildability from arch [08:39] <Kamion> apart from anything else grumpy will have some difficulty otherwis [08:39] <Kamion> e [08:39] <mvo> Kamion: it's only needed when doing arch-builds IIRC [08:40] <mdz> mvo: I want to put out 0.6.40 this weekend [08:41] <mdz> mvo: since I forgot to update my chroot and so didn't do the C++ transition on i386 [08:41] <maswan> \sh: done? [08:41] <mvo> mdz: apt--fixes--0 may be interessting [08:41] <\sh> maswan: nope :) [08:41] <mdz> mvo: what's there, besides the file auth stuff? [08:42] <\sh> maswan: and fakeroot is missing as well :( [08:42] <maswan> \sh: what's missing? [08:42] <mdz> mvo: and does it change the abi? ;-) [08:42] <\sh> maswan: xmms-dev (>= 1.2.10+cvs20050209) libsqlite3-dev libpcre3-dev (>=4.3) libtag1-dev libvorbis-dev (>=1.0) fftw3-dev libglib2.0-dev dpatch automake zlib1g-dev libx11-dev libxss-dev [08:42] <maswan> \sh: the breezy chroot on ravel? [08:42] <\sh> maswan: yes [08:42] <\sh> argl...forget it [08:42] <maswan> fakeroot is already the newest version. [08:42] <mvo> mdz: I hope not :p [08:42] <\sh> dchroot missing in \sh fingers [08:43] <mvo> mdz: very small fixes, should all be very harmless [08:43] <mvo> mdz: what do you thing about adding hashes to the copy method? it seems to be overhead for little gain [08:43] <mvo> gowins copy example didn't convince me [08:43] <Kamion> mdz: do you happen to have a complete list of the pre-build-deps? I can't find it [08:44] <mvo> Kamion: perlsgml, xmlto, sgml2x, sgmlspl IIRC [08:46] <mjg59> jbailey: Can you give me a directory that I need to put my init script in, and a minimum version number for the right hook to be present? [08:47] <shaya> anyone having problems w/ firefox? [08:48] <mdz> Kamion: it's documented in COMPILING, but it's out of date (only lists the sgml tools, not the XML ones) [08:48] <Kamion> ok, I was missing perlsgml and sgml2x, thanks [08:48] <mdz> mvo: if you could update that in your fixes branch, that'd be great [08:50] <mvo> mdz: I will do that now (will be patch-15) [08:51] <mdz> mvo: I'm not particularly interested in goswin's argument :-P [08:52] <Kamion> apt-get.ja.8.sgml fails to build even with those pre-build-deps [08:52] <Keybuk> but Goswin makes such convincing, eloquent and well-considered arguments [08:53] <Kamion> nsgmls:/home/cjwatson/apt/progress-reporting/doc/ja/apt-get.ja.8.sgml:3:59:W: cannot generate system identifier for public text "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook V3.1//EN" [08:53] <Kamion> and a slew more [08:55] <mvo> Kamion: debiandoc-sgml [08:56] <mvo> ? [08:56] <Kamion> got that [08:56] <HiddenWolf> OMG, guys, I'm booting from an old hoaryRC on an old laptop, installing from cdrom, and it's telling me it can't find the cdrom drivers :D [08:56] <mvo> Kamion: libsgml-perl? [08:56] <Kamion> no such package [08:56] <mvo> Kamion: libsgmls-perl? [08:56] <mvo> (sorry) [08:56] <Kamion> got it already [08:57] <Kamion> ah, might be docbook [08:57] <tseng> is there a way to save a backtrace from gdb [08:57] <tseng> or ill have to paste it out? [08:58] <Keybuk> "save" ? [08:58] <Keybuk> you can dump core [08:58] <tseng> i did dump core [08:59] <Keybuk> that's effectively a saved backtrace [08:59] <Kamion> 'set logging on', 'set logging file <file>' [08:59] <tseng> Kamion: ah, cheers [09:00] <Kamion> mvo: ah, yes, 'docbook' did it [09:00] <Keybuk> ah, I see what you mean now, duh [09:00] <Keybuk> sorry ;) [09:01] <mvo> Kamion: thanks, I added that to the coming README [09:02] <tseng> seb128: ff backtrace @ tseng.ath.cx/firefox-backtrace.txt [09:03] <tseng> seb128: hm its missing "Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) [09:07] <Kamion> mvo: that branch makes aptitude fail to build, though [09:07] <Kamion> (progress-reporting) [09:07] <Kamion> cmdline_simulate.cc:41: error: call of overloaded `DoInstall()' is ambiguous [09:08] <mvo> Kamion: hm, let me check [09:08] <Kamion> oh, it's because you have a second DoInstall() with a default first arg, which can't be distinguished from the zero-arg case [09:09] <Kamion> just dropping "=-1" from the second DoInstall() in packagemanager.h ought to do it ... [09:10] <mjg59> jbailey: Ok, I have a package - just need to know where to put the init script :) [09:11] <jbailey> mjg59: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount [09:12] <jbailey> mjg59: Do you want the patch now for testing? [09:12] <jbailey> mjg59: It'll be version 0.15 [09:12] <mjg59> jbailey: I don't have stuff set up to test initramfs yet, I'm afraid [09:13] <mjg59> jbailey: If I give you a package, can you be a suck^wtester? :) [09:14] <mvo> Kamion: yes, thanks. they will later be merged, but this way the ABI does not break [09:14] <jbailey> mjg59: Sort of. My laptop is text-only, pending the return of mkfontdir in breezy. [09:14] <jbailey> So I won't be able to test the switch to gdm for you/. [09:14] <jbailey> Hmm. [09:14] <jbailey> Unless you can do ppc [09:14] <mjg59> jbailey: That's ok, without adding stuff to the init scripts it'll just exit after 15 seconds [09:15] <mjg59> ppc isn't ready yet [09:15] <jbailey> 'k. I can guinea pig that when you're ready too. My other boxes are all headless. [09:16] <Kamion> mvo: right [09:16] <mjg59> Needs someone to write support for scrolling stuff in bogl [09:16] <Kamion> mvo: aptitude builds after I tweak apt as above [09:16] <mjg59> jbailey: www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/tmp/usplash_0.1-1_i386.deb [09:17] <Kamion> mvo: hmm - I think you did break the ABI, though [09:18] <Kamion> mvo: aptitude: symbol lookup error: aptitude: undefined symbol: _ZN17pkgPackageManager9DoInstallEv [09:18] <Kamion> mvo: (which c++filts to pkgPackageManager::DoInstall(), so seems related [09:18] <Kamion> ) [09:18] <jbailey> mjg59: Got, lemme finish getting this glibc build started and I'll do this. [09:18] <mjg59> jbailey: Once I get connectivity next week, I'll be able to test this locally :) [09:18] <mjg59> jbailey: Cool, thanks! [09:20] <mvo> Kamion: hrm, adding non-virtual functions shouldn't break the abi ... oh well (/me checks again) [09:21] <Kamion> mvo: it sounds more like the zero-arg DoInstall() is being optimised into an inline function, or something ... [09:21] <shaya> hmm [09:22] <Kamion> mvo: it's certainly not present in the compiled libapt-pkg.so - only pkgPackageManager::DoInstall(int) [09:24] <seb128> tseng: thanks. I get the crash too, it's not on startup [09:26] <Kamion> mvo: shifting the stub DoInstall() function to the .cc file seems to work fine [09:28] <shaya> is 2.6.12-6 good? [09:29] <Kamion> mvo: do you expect this to work without source changes in aptitude? 'sudo aptitude -o APT::Status-Fd=3 install groff 3>~/foo' leaves ~/foo empty [09:30] <tseng> seb128: i know [09:30] <seb128> you didn't say so [09:30] <tseng> sorry :/ [09:30] <seb128> np [09:31] <seb128> use epiphany as a workaround :p [09:31] <Kamion> mvo: boggle - it appears to work with Status-Fd=2 but not =3 [09:31] <\sh> gentlemen...who is xmms pro? [09:32] <\sh> does xmms on amd64 has QUEUE_CONTROL enabled? [09:32] <tseng> seb128: good idea [09:33] <tseng> i used to use ephy all the time [09:34] <Kamion> mvo: oh, never mind, I'm being bitten by a misfeature of sudo with apt-get, but aptitude still doesn't work [09:34] <mvo> Kamion: I /msged you a small patch, could you please try that? [09:34] <mvo> (for aptitutde) [09:35] <Kamion> building now [09:40] <Kamion> mvo: that works, thanks [09:40] <Kamion> mvo: is the progress number intended to be floating-point? [09:41] <Kamion> I guess that's OK, I'll int() it for debconf [09:41] <Kamion> or s/\..*// anyway :) [09:42] <mvo> Kamion: I haven't really thought about it :) [09:42] <mvo> Kamion: does it work now? [09:43] <Kamion> mvo: yep, seems to work fine - I'm pondering the base-config side now [09:43] <Kamion> will have to make sure debconf works sanely if a package wants to ask a question while the progress bar is up [09:43] <Kamion> which will be a little tricky, since unless I'm very careful the debconf database will be locked [09:44] <Nafallo> hmm, is it just me or is those amd64 buildds down again? [09:44] <mvo> Kamion: right, that sounds tricky [09:45] <Kamion> I have a big hack held in reserve in case I can't think of a better solution (run the progress bar inside a debconf frontend that opens everything read-only) [09:46] <Kamion> but I can probably make it work with passthrough and a bit of luck [09:46] <mvo> that sounds not too bad to me (also I have virtually no idea about debconf) [09:47] <\sh> debconf is nice :) [09:47] <\sh> and it's nasty [09:48] <Kamion> having commit access to it upstream helps [09:48] <\sh> the debugging mode is totally crap (from a fast debug person point of view) ;) [09:49] <Kamion> hm? I find DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer incredibly useful actually [09:49] <Kamion> but then I speak the protocol ... [09:49] <Treenaks> HARD [09:50] <Kamion> of course my current project includes a debconf protocol filter and has its own DEBCONF_DEBUG=filter debugging output - that's kind of fun [09:51] <Kamion> work on the installer and you become very familiar with debconf very quickly [09:52] <wasabi_> So is there an architecture doc on the new LiveCD infrastructure? [09:53] <wasabi_> I think I got a grasp on most of it, but there are some changes I want to make. [09:53] <Nafallo> s/his/he\'s/ [09:53] <wasabi_> Like, disable network config during the dpkg part and move it back to /etc/network/interfaces. [09:55] <\sh> Kamion: yes...it's useful... [09:56] <\sh> Kamion: but a --debug flag would be a nice2have [09:59] <\sh> hmmm...i fixed imms [10:01] <Kamion> \sh: thing is that debconf is invoked all over the place, so an environment variable is really easier to use [10:02] <Kamion> mvo: hmm, tricky, apt closes all of its fds when forking [10:02] <Kamion> or rather, sets them close-on-exec [10:02] <HiddenWolf> I've got a very ancient laptop on my hands, and I get a very verbose error starting up alsa. How can I figure out what it is? are you interested in the bug, or not? [10:03] <mvo> Kamion: yes, this anoyed me too a lot [10:04] <Keybuk> can we pull devscripts 2.9.x from unstable? [10:05] <Kamion> maybe some configuration directive that tweaks the lower bound to mark close-on-exec? [10:05] <Kamion> a bit hackish, but ... [10:06] <mvo> I have the feeling that mdz will not like that. but some way to have more control over what fds will be closed and which will kept open would be really good [10:08] <mvo> but we would need to come up with a clean way [10:08] <mvo> (but it has my total support) [10:09] <Kamion> it's certainly a showstopper for using passthrough from inside apt [10:09] <Kamion> mdz: any thoughts? [10:09] <\sh> Kamion: yes I know... [10:11] <mdz> Kamion: could pass a bitfield saying which FDs should stay open [10:11] <mdz> a la select(2) [10:11] <Kamion> bitfields from shell? [10:12] <mdz> shell? [10:12] <Kamion> base-config is shell ... [10:12] <mdz> I only saw from this forward: Kamion mvo: hmm, tricky, apt closes all of its fds when forking [10:13] <mdz> a configuration option listing file descriptors to preserve seems doable [10:13] <mvo> mdz: yes, a way to tell apt not to close it's fds would be cool [10:13] <Kamion> oh, ok. the background is that I want to be able to use the debconf passthrough frontend while installing packages, in order to be able to have a debconf frontend displaying a progress bar while simultaneously not causing any packages that try to use debconf to fall over in a heap [10:13] <Kamion> (because the debconf database would be locked [10:13] <Kamion> ) [10:13] <HiddenWolf> ogra? [10:14] <mdz> Kamion: apt configuration already has lists; I'd say a configuration item list of file descriptors would be the way to go [10:14] <mvo> mdz: something like a list "APT::Interal::KeepFDs" ? [10:14] <mdz> we could use that in place of the internal hack too [10:15] <Kamion> mdz: that would work for mee [10:15] <Kamion> er, me [10:15] <mdz> just APT::KeepFDs I'd say [10:15] <mdz> or it could stop closing file descriptors altogether [10:16] <mdz> it's not necessarily its business [10:16] <mvo> mdz: rock, I'll work on this tonight or tomorrow morning. it makes my life in synaptic easier too :) [stop closing is fine with me too] [10:17] <mdz> I'm not sure what the original rationale was; that code is old [10:18] <mvo> there are quite a few spots where I really would like to hear from jgg what the rational was (Iterator::_dummy() comes to my mind) [10:19] <hughsie> ogra: got a minute? [10:20] <Kamion> yes, I could cope with it not closing fds; it's not on a security boundary so I don't see a good reason for that [10:20] <Kamion> hmm [10:21] <Kamion> I wonder if anything expects to be able to use hardcoded file descriptors [10:21] <Kamion> thinking of maintainer scripts that do 4<foo or whatever [10:21] <Kamion> it's sometimes hard to avoid that in shell, although you can just pick a higher number [10:22] <Kamion> should be fine as long as they don't use debconf within such loops, though, and such code is fragile anyway ... [10:24] <mdz> I like the idea of apt providing a fairly sanitized and sanity-enforced environment for dpkg to run in [10:25] <mdz> but I don't have a specific case to back it up [10:26] <HiddenWolf> daniels, ping? [10:36] <highvoltage> mdz: we talked about testing on #edubuntu today. I had a hectic time since i got back... will be playing with your ltsp package this weekend. [10:36] <mdz> highvoltage: I am desperate for testing and feedback; I don't think anyone but me and ogra have tried it [10:37] <highvoltage> mdz: i'll also be installing a copy on my laptop, so i'll take it to a tuxlab, unplug a server and see how it works from my laptop. [10:38] <highvoltage> mdz: i feel bad for not giving you feedback yet, but i'll give you lots of feedback. i just had a real tough past 3 weeks. [10:38] <mdz> highvoltage: thanks [11:10] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) mvo: doesn't build, I think you need ExecFork(int unused=-1) in fileutl.h rather than just (int unused) [11:10] <\sh> hmmm.... [11:10] <\sh> amd64 buildd offline? [11:11] <mvo> Kamion: *cough*, fixing that now [11:12] <Nafallo> \sh: that's my conclusion. (with a silent yes from both #u-d and #u-m) [11:15] <\sh> Nafallo: amen :) [11:17] <mvo> Kamion: should work now [11:19] <MAPD> hey [11:19] <MAPD> isnt here anyone from ubuntu team is it? [11:20] <mvo> Kamion: does it build now (after a baz update)? and maybe even work :p ? [11:23] <\sh> g'night gentlemen and ladies.. [11:35] <Kamion> mvo: builds, at least ... [11:41] <Mez> hmmm does anyone here have any experience creating FF themes? [11:41] <Mez> thunderbird themes* [11:42] <Kamion> mvo: seems to partly work; dpkg-preconfigure talks to passthrough, but the .config and .postinst confmodules themselves don't. hmm [11:43] <mvo> Kamion: is this releated to the KeepFDs configuration? [11:43] <Kamion> I've got -o APT::KeepFDs::=4 -o APT::KeepFDs::=5 [11:44] <Kamion> tried with higher fds, same [11:45] <mvo> Kamion: it will only keep exactly this feeds [11:47] <Kamion> mvo: yeah [11:48] <Kamion> stracing, this is getting a bit mad [11:52] <Kamion> mvo: debconf itself seems to be marking those fds close-on-exec, so it's not your problem [11:55] <mvo> Kamion: ok, I'll probably be around another 1h, keep me updated :)

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:37.942585

2005-08-03-#launchpad

[12:49] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.5: new build (patch-61) [12:50] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.5: Added a --versions to commands displaying revision lists. (patch-47: Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr) [09:26] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.5: new build (patch-62) [09:28] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.5: --from and multiple versions support for "missing" (patch-48: Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr) [09:29] <bob2> daf: why does dilys sometimes not have a name? [09:29] <bob2> are those pqm requests really sent without one? [09:56] <ddaa> The name is the name of the archives of the merged patchlogs (when != from the destination archive) [09:56] <ddaa> you can have several names when doing a roll-up merge [09:57] <bob2> hm, I guess I assumed it just took the From: name of whoever sent the request [09:57] <ddaa> and none in the case of an automatic commit, or same archive merge [09:57] <ddaa> it _is_ confusing [09:57] <bob2> you're home again now? [09:57] <ddaa> I only understood it after going WTF at lifeless [09:57] <bob2> hah [09:58] <ddaa> FSVO again, I guess [09:58] <bob2> hah [09:58] <bob2> got time for a python q then? [09:58] <ddaa> sure [09:58] <bob2> so, I have a moderately complicated class [09:59] <bob2> with lots of neatly factored-out little methods [09:59] <bob2> testing the little methods is non-trivial, tho, since they depend on object state [09:59] <bob2> would you go with "setting state manually in the test suite" or "making the methods take state as arguments"? [10:00] <ddaa> That's not a python specific question, rather a TDD best practices question [10:00] <bob2> yeah, true [10:01] <ddaa> What I would do, would be doing feature tests, i.e. testing whole stories setting up the state running the method being tested, and checkinh the output and new state, without breaking encapsulation. [10:01] <bob2> hmmm [10:01] <ddaa> Such tests are useful to have, but that's not the end all... [10:02] <bob2> I have that too, but I feel safer having low-level "this method does what it's supposed to" tests, too [10:02] <ddaa> Right, one of my problem is that I have trouble writing unit tests. [10:02] <bob2> the other issue is that some methofs change external state (e.g. write out files, send email), which makes it a pain to test things higher up the stack [10:03] <bob2> does it seem like a terrible idea to test a subclass that replaces the externally-modifying tests with stubs? [10:03] <ddaa> I'd rather set the state manually in your case. Because if your API is message-passing style, designed around accumulating state in the object, it would not make sense to graft a functional API on top of it for testing. [10:04] <bob2> that's what I was thinking [10:05] <ddaa> I would stub out the externally modifying classes too. Actually, google for "Mock Objects", that's a kind of stub with testing smarties. [10:05] <bob2> ah, I forgot about them [10:05] <bob2> well, in this context, anyway; I do use them for testing inter-object stuff [10:05] <ddaa> Basically, a mock a stub that provides machinery to test interaction with other objects. [10:06] <ddaa> While a mere stub is just something that provides enough API to be able to run the code being tested. [10:07] <ddaa> Nice of you to ask me about that, but I'm really no authority in OOP... [10:07] <ddaa> re: subclassing [10:08] <ddaa> lifeless wolud tell you to use compositon :P [10:08] <bob2> haha [10:08] <ddaa> Which might well make sense in that case. [10:09] <bob2> that's a good point, actually [10:09] <ddaa> to have a separate object to handle communication with the outside world. [10:09] <bob2> thanks for your thoughts :) [10:09] <ddaa> my pleasure [11:40] <mvo> could someone of the python people review a interface for me? python-apt has a "pure" python interface now that hides the details from apt_pkg. a quick look if it looks pythonic enough would be really cool [12:21] <ddaa> I do not think we have any python-dev here :P [12:22] <ddaa> mvo: where can I find the code you want reviewed? From the ubuntu archive? [12:23] <mvo> ddaa: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/arch/ubuntu, michael.vogt@ubuntu.com--2005/python-apt--mvo--0, directory "apt" [12:23] <mvo> ddaa: thanks :) [12:23] <ddaa> did not say I would do it :P [12:23] <mvo> ddaa: aha :) [12:24] <ddaa> Thinking of it, I probably focus on my assigned tasks... but I'm curious :) [12:24] <ddaa> * I should probably [12:25] <mvo> ddaa: well, if you look at it, it would be very kind if you could /msg me your comments! [12:25] <ddaa> mvo: baz remark, you can just say "baz get http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/arch/ubuntu/python-apt--mvo--0/" [12:26] <mvo> ddaa: that's a nice feature. since what version of baz does it exist? [12:26] <ddaa> 1.3 [12:26] <ddaa> or 1.4... [12:28] <ddaa> actually, without the trailing slash... [03:26] <dilys> New Malone bug 1609 filed on Bazaar by David Allouche: Possible arch-cache race condition leading to data corruption [03:26] <dilys> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1609 [04:49] <SteveA> silbs: hello [04:51] <silbs> SteveA: hi. welcome back. [04:54] <kiko> ahoy [04:54] <kiko> carlos! [04:54] <kiko> daf! [04:55] <carlos> kiko, ! [04:55] <lifeless> ddaa , bob2 - jsuch long running tests are doctests in nasture. that said, you will have many repeats to handle different expected conditions, which is where I'd use unit tests with setup and tteardown that give appropriate eady to test objects [04:55] <carlos> so Brazil was connected again? [04:55] <kiko> carlos, apparently. fuck fuck fuck. [04:55] <ddaa> doctests? [04:55] <ddaa> long-running? [04:56] <ddaa> -ECONTEXT [04:56] <carlos> kiko, that's because they know I'm going there and know I need network connection :-D [04:56] <kiko> yeah [04:56] <kiko> so what's up with daf? [04:56] <morgs> Coming soon, wireless AP with built in satphone... [04:56] <carlos> kiko, waiting for me [04:56] <carlos> kiko, at London [04:59] <lifeless> ddaa: do a lastlog lifeless ;-) [05:00] <ddaa> Doesn't fit. [05:00] <ddaa> What do you mean by "lastlog"? [05:02] <lifeless> '/lastlog lifeless' [05:02] <ddaa> my irc client does not know about this command [05:02] <lifeless> you and bob2 invoked my name [05:03] <carlos> mpt, around? [05:03] <ddaa> Yes, I remember this discussion. But still, I do not see the connection with "doctests in nature" and "long running". [05:03] <carlos> mpt, I got your camera, but I was not able to get the memory card [05:04] <kiko> carlos, what sort of memory card? [05:04] <lifeless> oh, if you need to setup a object and then call method X method Y beother bar on it and they are idempotent methods, a doctest will fit that quite well IMO [05:04] <lifeless> though not in th emethod docstring [05:04] <carlos> kiko, sd [05:05] <kiko> carlos, we can buy them cheap here, no worries [05:05] <carlos> ok [05:05] <carlos> cool [05:13] <mpt> carlos: excellent, thanks [05:14] <carlos> mpt, also, they gave me a couple of rechargable AA batteries and the plug to recharge them for free [05:16] <jamesh> carlos: what sort of camera? [05:17] <carlos> mpt, ? I don't remember the model [05:18] <mpt> carlos: Let me guess, it's a Spanish battery charger? [05:18] <carlos> mpt, yeah ;-) [05:18] <carlos> European [05:18] <mpt> jamesh: Pentax S-50 [05:18] <mpt> carlos: Yeah, my last one came with a US battery charger that was similarly useless [05:18] <mpt> carlos: you can keep it :-) [05:20] <jamesh> mpt: cool. that's the updated version of my camera (I have the S40) [05:20] <carlos> well, It's with my luggage and I already checkin so... [05:22] <carlos> lifeless, any chance to process my cherrypick request? [05:23] <lifeless> carlos: dude, we've been offline for 2 days [05:23] <lifeless> no internet at the sprint or the hotel. [05:23] <carlos> lifeless, I know, that's why I'm asking :-) [05:23] <carlos> if there is a chance [05:24] <lifeless> carlos - it conflicts [05:24] <carlos> fuck [05:24] <lifeless> stub tried [05:24] <carlos> ok [05:24] <carlos> then will need to wait until next week [05:24] <carlos> I don't have time to fix it [05:24] <carlos> before the flight [05:24] <lifeless> can it wait till the amin rollout on monday/tuestday ? [05:25] <carlos> yeah, because I cannot fix it now, it should wait anyway [05:41] <carlos> see you! [06:19] <ddaa> morgs: ping [06:20] <morgs> ddaa: gnip [06:20] <ddaa> is your change for branch display currently on staging? [06:20] <morgs> ddaa: I'll take a quick look... [06:21] <morgs> ddaa: yes, here's an example: https://staging.ubuntu.com/products/gstreamer [06:22] <ddaa> Is there a policy for using tables for everything? [06:23] <ddaa> I think that branch listing would be better served, semantically, by a dt/dd list [06:23] <ddaa> and that would mitigate the ridiculously-wide-table problem [06:24] <morgs> ddaa: I'm fine with that, I'll give it a try on Monday [06:24] <ddaa> thus helping avoid the annoyingly-small-font-size problem... [06:24] <ddaa> sabdfl had me refocused on all-things-branches-and-bazaar-in-launchpad-and-friends recently [06:25] <morgs> Do you think the title and URL are the right things to display? [06:25] <ddaa> so, time permitting, I would be able to contribute more code to this kind of things [06:25] <morgs> Great [06:25] <ddaa> But I'm so happy with your work, that I really see little reason for that :) [06:30] <morgs> ddaa: If you think there's anything a user would benefit from, let me know. AFAIK the url is the most useful thing? [06:30] <ddaa> URL is the only useful thing ATM [06:30] <morgs> OK [06:31] <ddaa> There's something in my pipe coming right from HQ which I suspect is related to branch display. I think in the short term you can just get away with listing branches in a <ul> [06:32] <ddaa> I mean, listing urls [06:32] <morgs> Makes sense. OK. [06:32] <ddaa> In the medium term I gather I'm expected to write something that will make the rest of the webapp world pale in humility ;) [06:33] <morgs> Sort of google maps meets the bazaar? :-P [06:34] <morgs> Anyway, I'm out of here. [06:35] <ddaa> Yeah, sort of something like that. [06:36] <ddaa> OMG, this satellite view thing is painfully cool [06:54] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.5: new build (patch-63) [06:55] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.5: Implicit ^...$ around the regexps for rbrowse (patch-49: Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr) [07:34] <jordi> hmm [07:34] <jordi> it's tricky to find the url that generates statistics for all the breezy modulesi n Catalan [07:35] <jordi> ah, got it [07:42] <dilys> New Malone bug 1612 filed on The Launchpad by Scott James Remnant: After logging in, launchpad leaves me up a blind alley without my clothes [07:42] <dilys> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1612 [07:44] <dilys> New Malone bug 1613 filed on The Launchpad by Robert Collins: cannot sign coc due to launchpad ignoring signing keys [07:44] <dilys> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1613 [07:53] <dilys> New Malone bug 1614 filed on The Launchpad by Robert Collins: bugs related people portal should uniqify the maintainers list [07:53] <dilys> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1614 [07:57] <bob2> lifeless: yeah, I have both doctests and unittests [08:02] <cprov> lifeless: I really didn't get your point on bug # 1613, want to talk about . [08:14] <bob2> (for that reason) [08:44] <lilo> hi all [08:45] <Kinnison> Hello lilo [08:45] <lilo> sorry about the kline earlier, one of your IP's hit a user limit.... we have to kline on those to catch bot attacks quickly enough [08:45] <lilo> I added new I: lines, so the problem shouldn't recur anytime soon [08:45] <lilo> (hey Kinnison) [08:47] <Keybuk> lilo: are bots typically registered with NickServ? [08:47] <Kinnison> Thanks for that lilo [08:48] <Kinnison> It's a conference IP :-) [08:48] <lilo> oic! yah, we need to figure out how to get people to check with us before setting those up [08:48] <Keybuk> if not, that could be a sweet optimisation for the auto-killer [08:48] <lilo> more likely we just need some way to look for conferences in process and plug a calendar into the kline process [08:48] <lilo> I've been thinking about that, but we don't have the facilities yet [08:49] <lilo> anyway, let us know if you need anything at all [08:54] <SteveA> cheers lilo [09:05] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.5: new build (patch-64) [09:06] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.5: baz lock-revision without argument, informative message at the end (patch-50: Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr) [10:11] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial, partial rs=SteveA] nuke the old MaloneApplicationView, fix a typo and deal with null SourcePackage.currentrelease -- fixing bug 1549 in the process. Also fixes (once and for all) the handling of the bugtrackertype enum in checkwatches (patch-2190: christian.reis@canonical.com) [10:37] <kiko> otherwise pqm might go rusty! [11:32] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] fix bugs link in facet menu for person (patch-2191: james.henstridge@canonical.com)

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:37.961788

2005-08-03-#kubuntu

[12:02] <_drac> With i955 [12:16] <esac> ok seriously, has anybody gotten evolution to work with a microsoft exchange server ? [12:17] <nikkia> once, a long time ago [12:17] <nikkia> and only once [12:21] <esac> dang, it asks me for my OWA url which i provide and username/pass and it keeps telling me that my username/pass is wrong [12:23] <jeanluc> Hey can some one help me play mp3s? They don't seem to work in kubuntu [12:23] <jeanluc> I've installed this apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad [12:23] <jeanluc> but still no sound when I play [12:23] <jeanluc> ive tried beep media player amarok xmms juk [12:23] <jeanluc> all of them but I can't seem to get it to work [12:29] <nikkia> heh, this is annoying... [12:29] <nikkia> automount is umounting my ipod cos beep-media-player is buffering more than my mount timeout's worth of audio [12:31] <jeanluc> nikkia [12:31] <nikkia> what? [12:32] <jeanluc> do you know how to get mp3s to work? [12:33] <nikkia> yes [12:33] <jeanluc> can you help me? [12:33] <_rob_> jeanluc: read the getting started guide [12:33] <jeanluc> where? [12:34] <_rob_> jeanluc: google "kubuntu getting started" or "kubuntu mp3" [12:43] <zweihander> hi folks [12:44] <zweihander> Anyone here good with X.org stuff/ [12:44] <zweihander> stuff? [12:50] <bobbyd> hi [12:51] <bobbyd> how do I run the kde setup wizard once I've already installed kde? [12:52] <bobbyd> ahh, I found it, kpersonalizer [01:01] <frank> bobbyd: thanks for sharing that!! I want to change something there [01:04] <bobbyd> frank, np :) [01:05] <frank> its the single click open file behaviour that I don't like [01:05] <bobbyd> is there something in the standard distro that will show me a graph of net usage on the panel like knetload? [01:06] <frank> cpu usage you mean? [01:06] <aseigo> ksysguard? [01:06] <frank> add the ksysguard applet to panel [01:12] <esac> what do i install for bootp and tftpd [01:20] <armando> hola [01:20] <armando> NICK SoftLogic [01:20] <SoftLogic> hola [01:21] <SoftLogic> hola [01:22] <SoftLogic> help [01:27] <Firetech> why is there no kcontrol entry in the kmenu in 3.4.2? [01:28] <nikkia> Firetech: you don't really need it you know.... [01:29] <nikkia> Firetech: open konqueror, use settings:/ as the url, or there should be a settings link in the system menu (2nd button from the left on the panel bar) [01:29] <apokryphos> You don't need the kmenu altogether :P [01:29] <apokryphos> hi nikkia :) [01:29] <nikkia> evening apokryphos [01:29] <nikkia> a bit, not much [01:30] <Firetech> I know I don't need it... I have the kcontrol submenu in the kmenu instead... I just wondered why it's gone [01:30] <apokryphos> Kubuntu have big plans for kcontrol as far as I've seen [01:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: i ventured into setting up kdm, and a kdm/ksplash theme pair, along with modifying kde to start jack before arts, today :P [01:31] <apokryphos> as in, a destruction of it :| [01:31] <apokryphos> nikkia: cool, how'd it go? I'm pretty happy with my kdm theme.. *goes to get the name* [01:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: it went fine [01:31] <apokryphos> logic scan fusion [01:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm using a modified 'shuttle', plus a ksplash theme to match it [01:32] <apokryphos> and current splash is LoveKDE -- seriously very nice [01:32] <nikkia> i basically wrote the ksplash theme from scratch, started off with one i dl'ed, thinking it'd just be tweaking, but after replacing the background, then completely rewriting the Theme.rc, i realised i'd basically made a new theme :P [01:33] <apokryphos> nikkia: heh. Shuttle KDM theme... pretty nice. Not sure about the whole login box there; a little odd. [01:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: it (the login box) doesn't look too bad [01:35] <nikkia> working thru the deps for rezound now :/ [01:38] <apokryphos> nikkia: you do enjoy it all, don't you ;-) [01:39] <_carlos> hello! [01:39] <_carlos> mi first time in this, jeje :p [01:39] <_carlos> greetings from Venezuela (y) [01:39] <apokryphos> _carlos: hi carlos :) [01:40] <_carlos> how r u? [01:40] <_carlos> where r u from apoklkacsbkjcas [01:40] <_carlos> ? [01:40] <apokryphos> nikkia: have you tried out the moodin engine? Wondering what's "heavily customizable" about it.. will install it now actually. [01:40] <apokryphos> _carlos: I'm excellent, thanks. From London here. And yourself? [01:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: it looked like too much work [01:41] <apokryphos> _carlos: you can use TAB for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC. i.e. _car-<tab> [01:41] <_carlos> oh! thanks apokryphos <- OH! so usefull [01:41] <apokryphos> =) [01:42] <_carlos> i'm from Venezuela ! me and some friends are organizating an event for this august 16, the debian day [01:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: otherwise, i got my release done at 12:30, and spent the rest of the afternoon pretending to work while actually writing some audio CDs for my mum [01:42] <_carlos> hello nikkia [01:43] <_carlos> r u actually a girl? [01:43] <apokryphos> nikkia: :) [01:43] <nikkia> hi _carlos, yes, thanks [01:43] <_carlos> wow [01:43] <apokryphos> _carlos: cool, how is it over there? [01:43] <_carlos> how did u get into linux, a boyfriend wasn't it? [01:43] <goldfish> asl? [01:43] <apokryphos> hahaha [01:43] <goldfish> wanna go cam2cam ? aslplz. [01:43] <apokryphos> nikkia: you always have this affect on guys? ;-) [01:43] <_carlos> ejeje, Here is GREAT, i love it, i live in San Cristobal, next to the Andes Mountains [01:44] <goldfish> :) [01:44] <goldfish> of course. [01:44] <apokryphos> ;-) [01:44] <_carlos> TIMER [01:44] <_carlos> [01:44] <_carlos> LOAD [01:44] <_carlos> Reload [01:44] <_carlos> source [01:44] <_carlos> tcl [01:44] <_carlos> reloadall [01:44] <_carlos> oooooooops, sis i wrote that? [01:44] <nikkia> _carlos: no, actually, it was the owner of a company i wanted to buy a commercial UNIX system off, that got me into linux [01:44] <apokryphos> _carlos: my parents are going there soon. Doing a whole tour of South America. Extended 25th anniversairy :) [01:45] <nikkia> he suggested that rather than spend $700 on their unix, i'd be better off trying linux, since i was a student at the time [01:45] <apokryphos> nikkia: ever tried out *bsd? [01:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, ran freebsd for a year or two [01:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: it was BSDI that i was considering buying when i was recommended to try linux :) [01:47] <apokryphos> nikkia: A few people on the doc team are implicitly echoing the glories of it. Might try it soon. [01:47] <nikkia> woo, all deps satisfied! [01:47] <apokryphos> heh, cool. [01:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: well, when i ran it, i kept running into the problem that things written primarily for linux wouldn't work right in freebsd [01:48] <Firetech> apokryphos: the moodin engine is really nice [01:48] <Firetech> oops, backlogged [01:48] <Firetech> read the logs [01:48] <apokryphos> nikkia: that seems to be the main popular criticism. They said that it wasn't really the case, and that the repos are huge for it [01:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: for example, it was around E15 time, and they'd just added transparency (the faked kind), but whenever you used it, it would coredump X :) [01:49] <apokryphos> heh [01:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: another time, i remember upgrading imlib because the 'official' version was about a year and a half old, and it broke *everything* [01:50] <nikkia> i think i finally gave up on it around the time they claimed it was going to be 3-4 years before the next major kernel release, because they couldn't get enough people to work on it [01:51] <apokryphos> Firetech: cool. Any idea of the executable name? [01:51] <apokryphos> heh [01:52] <apokryphos> kind of wondering how you're meant to actually move the kmenu to anywhere [01:52] <Firetech> apokryphos: aren't some example themes included? [01:52] <apokryphos> Firetech: sure, but how do I open *the* engine? [01:52] <Firetech> engine="moodin" in Theme.rc? [01:55] <apokryphos> Firetech: heh, I was understanding the program all wrong, thanks. [01:55] <Firetech> ... [01:55] <Firetech> np [01:56] <Firetech> I got a little confused about your questions :P [01:57] <Firetech> damn backports [01:57] <apokryphos> Heh, I thought it was something quite different, but yeah -- it looks cool. THEMEOPTIONS -- very handy. [01:57] <Surfdue_> hey [01:58] <Firetech> updates to wine removed libwine-print, wine-doc and winesetuptk [01:58] <Surfdue_> i have a wlan ethernet card, when i enable it in kde network settings it immediatly disables my wireless network has an encryption code is there some kind of log i can see if its an invalid encryption or etc? [02:00] <ttrocal> Hello, I just installed Kubuntu and KDE is giving me errors such as the following for various config files: Will not save configuration./Configuration file "/home/flip/.kde/share/config/kaccessrc" not writable./Please contact your system administrator. [02:00] <Firetech> gnite guys. [02:00] <Surfdue_> night firetech [02:00] <apokryphos> 'night [02:00] <Surfdue_> it be nice if anyone knew how to help me or could [02:00] <Surfdue_> please [02:00] <apokryphos> ttrocal: what are you trying to do, there? [02:01] <ttrocal> I get that when I start KDE and when starting certain apps. [02:01] <ttrocal> So I want to not get it. [02:01] <apokryphos> odd [02:01] <apokryphos> I'd compile a bug report [02:02] <ttrocal> Hmmm... do you have a thought on what might be causing this? [02:02] <nikkia> that sounds a lot like a case of running X sudo'ed [02:02] <apokryphos> ttrocal: what version of KDE are you running? [02:02] <ttrocal> This is a brand new installation of Kubuntu 5.04 [02:03] <nikkia> ttrocal: if you just installed, you have little to lose by doing 'sudo rm -R .kde' from your home directory [02:03] <Firetech> ttrocal: fire up a terminal and type "ls -l /home/flip/.kde/share/config/kaccessrc" [02:03] <Surfdue_> does noone know naything about wlan drivers? [02:03] <Surfdue_> wlan [02:03] <Surfdue_> i mean [02:03] <Surfdue_> ethernet pcmicia [02:03] <ttrocal> ls: /home/flip/.kde/share/config/kaccessr: No such file or directory [02:03] <frank> c [02:04] <Firetech> ttrocal: "ls -l /home/flip/.kde" then? [02:04] <frank> kaccessrc [02:04] <frank> wrong filename [02:04] <Firetech> ttrocal: ignore the second command [02:05] <Mez> nikkia, you still here? [02:05] <nikkia> Mez, yes [02:05] <ttrocal> -rw------- 1 root root 91 2005-07-28 19:16 /home/flip/.kde/share/config/kaccessrc [02:05] <apokryphos> heh [02:05] <frank> there is your problem [02:05] <Mez> nikkia, do you respond to /msg's at all ? [02:05] <Firetech> ttrocal: "ls -la /home/flip/.kde" (just paste the FIRST line) [02:05] <nikkia> Mez, not when i'm running irssi and don't see them, no [02:05] <apokryphos> ttrocal: try doing what nikkia said, I'd say. [02:05] <frank> chown recursive home [02:05] <Mez> ah, irssi, hehe :D [02:06] <nikkia> mez, don't have kvirc built yet [02:06] <nikkia> mez, and i noticed the pending window NOW anyway :P [02:06] <frank> ttrocal: did you start kde as root or something? [02:06] <Mez> lol [02:06] <Mez> fair enough :d [02:07] <Firetech> ttrocal: hmm, to fix it, type "chown -r `whoami`.`whoami` ~" [02:07] <Mez> so, you've got my previouse message now [02:08] <apokryphos> Firetech: option has to be uppercase, I think [02:08] <ttrocal> Alright, I chowned everything and that seemed to work. Unless I get that error again, I guess it's fixed! Thanks guys! [02:08] <nikkia> Mez, yes, i've seen it now :P [02:08] <frank> I don't have this kaccessrc file at all though, I wonder where it comes from [02:08] <Firetech> ttrocal: change -r to -R [02:08] <ttrocal> Firetech: way ahead of you ;) [02:08] <Firetech> apokryphos: I just thought of that... [02:08] <Firetech> ttrocal: okidoki, that's good... [02:08] <Firetech> Now, good night... [02:10] <apokryphos> Really wondering how those were made/had root permissions, if it's a fresh install. Weird. [02:15] <Firetech> apokryphos: running some kde-programs with sudo breaks things... [02:15] <Firetech> I've had that problem with kwrite [02:15] <apokryphos> would it really alter things like that, though? [02:16] <Firetech> might do. [02:16] <apokryphos> I don't think sudo <GUIapp> is supported at all; quite a few still crash [02:16] <apokryphos> kate doesn't run at all [02:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: this is why i always suggest kdesu [02:16] <apokryphos> yup [02:16] <nikkia> right, after some serious hand holding, that's rezound compiled :P [02:16] <apokryphos> Should actually mention this to the kudos guy, too, when he comes back. [02:16] <Firetech> apokryphos: if you change any setting in that <GUIapp>, the rc file will be owned y root. [02:16] <Firetech> *by [02:17] <Surfdue_> anyone know about ethernet pcmcia cards? [02:17] <apokryphos> interesting [02:17] <nikkia> it even runs!! [02:17] <Firetech> at least that's what I think [02:18] <nikkia> Firetech: its even more evil than that [02:18] <Firetech> ubuntu has an advantage on that front. most Gnome programs can run with sudo without breaking stuff... I mostly use gedit for GUI editing (nano otherwise) [02:18] <nikkia> Firetech: *if* that GUI app is the first app to use KDE features that are configurable, then it will conceivably create the defaults as root [02:19] <Firetech> nikkia: and that is heaven, ain't it? ;) [02:20] <frank> Surfdue_: sorry I don't know [02:21] <nikkia> right, thats probably a good place to take a break for the night i think [02:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: btw, the fruits of my audio setup: '0 (6) XRUNs detected' in umm, 3 hours of playing mp3s while compiling/installing :) [02:24] <apokryphos> nikkia: heh, I wish I knew what that meant. :) [02:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: an XRUN is a 'glitch', afaict there are 2 kinds, fatal ones where the audio frame is lost, and non-fatal ones where the sync is missed slightly [02:26] <apokryphos> nikkia: none at all? Sweet. Music, what's your poison? (love the way I turned that round from wine, eh? I am indeed the Lord of Language) [02:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: well, 6 non-fatal ones [02:26] <apokryphos> oh, that's what that means. [02:26] <nikkia> which is probably about 50mS worth of hiccups over 3 hours :) [02:27] <nikkia> its all because jack is running under the realtime-lsm [02:27] <apokryphos> nikkia: Lindows/Linspire runs root by default? [02:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: as i remember it, yes [02:27] <apokryphos> :| [02:28] <nikkia> i imagine thats why they get away with using jack... because they don't have to run users [02:28] <nikkia> but you can do what i did, and setup user accounts to have access to realtime-lsm :) [02:28] <apokryphos> Seems to ruin half the point fo running a Linux system, to me at least. [02:28] <sproingie> i think linspire has "restricted users" now [02:29] <sproingie> which always gets me. who wants to be "restricted"? [02:29] <frank> apokryphos: yes it does. If it were as popular as Windows, it would as much of a death trap [02:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: as for my 'poison' when it comes to music, its a mix, in the last hour or so its gone thru Jarre, Alaska, Pink Floyd, Vai, Dream Theater, Faith No More, and Vangelis [02:30] <sproingie> i remember lindows ripping off some guy's art for their website without any attribution [02:30] <Surfdue_> :( [02:30] <sproingie> then their juvenile and stupid Doors filk [02:30] <sproingie> the whole company just reeks of asinine shenanigans [02:30] <nikkia> anyway, bedtime [02:30] <nikkia> night all [02:30] <apokryphos> 'night nikkia [02:31] <sproingie> $$$ [02:31] <sproingie> i can't begrudge anyone the profit motive [02:31] <sproingie> they just strike me as particularly inept to do it [02:32] <apokryphos> heh, indeed. [02:32] <apokryphos> only $49.95 [02:32] <apokryphos> I think they've acknowledged that they're not able to do what Windoze can, just yet. [02:32] <sproingie> founded by the founder of the wildly successful mp3.com [02:33] <sproingie> remember mp3.com? me neither [02:33] <apokryphos> heh. I'm sure it gets loads of visitors thinking... hey, where do people get these mp3 thingimagigies from -- aha! mp3.com [02:34] <apokryphos> kind of a shame that the ultra-user-friendly-Linux should be a paid one, though. [02:34] <sproingie> it almost has to be [02:34] <sproingie> someone's gotta be paid to do all the grunt work of working on it [02:35] <Surfdue_> no o ne can help with my problem? [02:35] <apokryphos> Yup, they have all the signs. A "flash intro" [02:35] <frank> apokryphos: well their click and run thing is closed source and based on apt but you can also buy commercial software with it. (yearly fee though so you keep on paying but you never have to buy software in a store) [02:35] <apokryphos> haha, ultra corniness [02:35] <sproingie> oh yeah, of course the fact that the guy went to bat to call the product *Lindows* of all things [02:36] <sproingie> that put the most sour taste in my mouth [02:36] <sproingie> really solidified the popular impression that linux was a cheap plastic windows knockoff [02:36] <apokryphos> all these flashing pieces of text... "Linux".. "Kernel" wow! KDE 3.3!! [02:36] <apokryphos> frank: hah, interesting. [02:36] <Surfdue_> helllo [02:37] <Surfdue_> i guess no one knows pcmica cards and kde [02:37] <apokryphos> Surfdue_: for issues like that it's worth trying #ubuntu [02:37] <Surfdue_> why it disables [02:37] <Surfdue_> ok [02:37] <apokryphos> I'd view that whole flash intro again if I had time ;-) [02:38] <frank> apokryphos: but the running as root thing is horrible. only since I've running linux do I realise how bad that is in Windows too! [02:38] <apokryphos> how popular is it exactly? [02:38] <frank> linspire? I don't know. [02:39] <apokryphos> 20th, there. [02:39] <frank> I know the company has about 50 employees [02:39] <Surfdue_> apokryphos, what flash intro [02:39] <Surfdue_> :P [02:39] <apokryphos> http://images.linspire.com/linspire5.0intro4-8-6.swf [02:39] <sproingie> oh yeah, linspire comes with something called "hot words" [02:40] <sproingie> which appears to be a TopText like thing right in the browser [02:40] <sproingie> yay, first linux to SHIP with adware [02:40] <frank> they do have a native version of wmv 8 and 9 though (licensed from microsoft) [02:40] <sproingie> they filed the serial numbers off firefox and call it "Linspire Internet Suite" [02:41] <apokryphos> oh my, there's a whole http://media.linspire.com/howto/kiosk.swf thing too. 8) [02:41] <sproingie> actually looks like seamonkey, not firefox. my mistake [02:41] <frank> sproingie: GPL lets you do that [02:41] <sproingie> frank: that doesn't mean it's ethical [02:42] <Surfdue_> dont they have to give linspire fro free [02:42] <Surfdue_> they are charginf for linux! [02:42] <Surfdue_> isnt that illegal!! [02:43] <sproingie> so go throw bob young in the clink [02:43] <frank> Surfdue_: no its not and they have a bunch of stuff in there that they have to pay for to put in, so they have to charge [02:43] <Surfdue_> :P [02:43] <Surfdue_> i herd the source is free [02:43] <Surfdue_> hwere is it ;P [02:43] <sproingie> my beef with linspire is mostly their shady history, which colors my current perceptions [02:44] <frank> Surfdue_: You can go start selling ubuntu CDs for as much as you want totally legally [02:44] <apokryphos> For me it wouldn't so much bother me that it's a shady business, but that it's representing Linux, and doing such things [02:44] <sproingie> i suspect as they get more successful, they're becoming a bit more professional [02:44] <apokryphos> frank: I can send you a signed one for only $10 [02:44] <sproingie> i still think redhat has 'em beat in terms of talent and professionalism [02:44] <frank> apokryphos: oh yes, I'll take 5! [02:45] <apokryphos> frank: will Kubuntu ones do instead? I only have 2 Ubuntu ones [02:45] <apokryphos> frank: also, it's $20 extra for them *all* to be signed [02:46] <frank> sproingie: I tried it for a few hours, and it is stupidly easy to use. People who use, can probably avoid the shell completely as long as everything they need is in click and run [02:46] <sproingie> frank: that's a good thing. is it still root by default? [02:46] <tikka> hi [02:47] <Surfdue_> my sound works but in VLC playey my sound dosnt work : [02:47] <frank> root by default, yes, which is the worst thing about it. In the installation, it does suggest to setup a user to improve security though [02:47] <Surfdue_> why [02:47] <sproingie> frank: that's *awesomely* irresponsible [02:47] <apokryphos> Ubu seems to be somewhere in between extreme like Linspire and, say, Gentoo [02:47] <sproingie> it goes to engineering talent or lack thereof [02:48] <apokryphos> they're Debian really at heart, but they're aiming for the masses, too. [02:48] <sproingie> i wonder how much linspire gets from the walmart cd's [02:48] <frank> sproingie: IT is just wrong. all of the stuff that is in /home/username goes to /root instead which is horrible to see. you have an empty /home! [02:48] <Surfdue_> lol [02:48] <sproingie> gotta say, if you're a software maker, wal-mart is about as good a deal as you can get [02:48] <sproingie> if you actually have any marginal cost tho, dealing with walmart is a kiss of death [02:49] <sproingie> it's like dealing with microsoft, only you're *sure* to get screwed [02:50] <Surfdue_> ight [02:50] <sproingie> frank: aside from dotfiles and dotdirs, my home is usually empty to start with also. but wow, root everywhere, how revolting [02:50] <JayParadise> can linux only have sound coming out of one app at a time? lately ive been stuck in silence cus of dead processes [02:50] <sproingie> JayParadise: no, you use a mixer like esd or arts [02:50] <sproingie> gnome uses esd, kde uses arts [02:51] <JayParadise> cus kaffeine or whatever will tell me the device is being used by another application yet i hear nothing [02:51] <sproingie> speaking of arts, why won't mine upgrade? it's *still* missing the libarts dependency [02:51] <sproingie> JayParadise: actually i think that error's bogus. you probably just don't have access to the device [02:51] <sproingie> i forget the "correct" way to fix that [02:52] <sproingie> easy way is chmod 666 /dev/dsp [02:53] <JayParadise> then i can have multiple audio playing? if so nice [02:53] <JayParadise> not that i need that [02:53] <sproingie> well you'll probably have to restart arts [02:54] <JayParadise> but i wont have to watch another movie with both kaffeine and totem again, lol. [02:54] <sproingie> or maybe just kmixer actually [02:54] <frank> lol [02:54] <sproingie> not sure which level kde tries to access it at [02:54] <JayParadise> totems video was choppy kaffeiene had no sound so i had to sync up [02:54] <sproingie> actually i have the same no sound problem in kaffiene with several codecs [02:55] <sproingie> i think it's a codec problem [02:55] <sproingie> sound in ubuntu is seriously a problem, it's gotta be the #1 faq around here [02:55] <sproingie> i havent any speakers or phones on this computer in months except when booted to windows to play games [02:55] <frank> it is... I was lucky and have no problems but I did when using amd64 [02:56] <sproingie> since all PC games are starting to become bland and homogeneous, i wondered why i was wasting my money on PC games now [02:57] <sproingie> i'm not gonna get planescape torment on the PS2 or anything, but at least i can sit on the couch while i play [02:58] <JayParadise> i havent played any decent games since i sold the ps2 [02:58] <JayParadise> i'll get ps3 though [02:58] <sproingie> i'll probably get an xbox 360 and thanks to microsoft, i won't have any need for windows any more [02:58] <tikka> JayParadise, you should try some linux games :D [02:58] <sproingie> isn't that ironic? [02:58] <tikka> they kick the ps2 in the ass [02:58] <tikka> hehe [02:58] <tikka> Gnome Robots its cool [02:58] <tikka> :D [02:58] <JayParadise> will that be out by xmas? [02:59] <JayParadise> lol [02:59] <JayParadise> i have doom [02:59] <JayParadise> i get my ass kicked within 5 minutes everytime though [02:59] <sproingie> hm. there's actually one console rpg i've ever liked with good acting and all. more of an action/stealth game tho [02:59] <sproingie> beyond good and evil. amazing voice acting, even if the game's a little bit silly [03:00] <JayParadise> nice quake2 finaly installed correctly [03:00] <JayParadise> its in the menu [03:00] <JayParadise> spoke too soon [03:01] <JayParadise> wont load [03:01] <sproingie> i can't do fps's anymore [03:02] <sproingie> i remember playing system shock 2, game scared the bejeezuz out of me [03:03] <JayParadise> i need ram [03:03] <JayParadise> 512 isn't enough these days [03:03] <sproingie> doom was "open door, 1-2 zombies jump out behind you. six shots each, turn around, repeat. yawn" [03:06] <_drac> hey all, Im having trobule with kernel 2.6.12 detecting my SATA harddrives(in comibined mode, they are /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd), It sees my one IDE drive and my CD drive just not the two harddrives (one is linux), any idea why? [03:08] <dutch> evening :) [03:09] <_drac> Hey Dutch [03:14] <jake1> anyone here able to help me with compiling a KDE app [03:14] <jake1> please [03:15] <_drac> which, jake1 [03:15] <jake1> seemingly i have a terminal error output message [03:15] <jake1> wlassistant-0.5.1 [03:15] <jake1> a wireless assistant application [03:15] <_drac> Whats the error? [03:17] <jake1> the output says "configure: error C++ preprocessor "/libb/cpp" fails sanity check [03:17] <jake1> " [03:17] <jake1> and i am not sure if i need to send it to some phsyciatric ward or if there are drugs i can give it to make it sane [03:18] <jake1> _drac any suggestions? [03:19] <jake1> :-\ [03:19] <jake1> i take it that there are no suggestions [03:24] <jake1> :-\ [03:26] <Jet2k5> Hello. I have Ubuntu Hoary installed, and I'm about to dowload the ' kubuntu-desktop' package. I heard the Kubuntu is sorta buggy, but besides the servers that I have in my current /etc/apt/sources.list do I need to add any other for updates? [03:30] <tech> aanyone expirience Xorg locking up and taking 100% cpu? it just happens randomly. i run latest kubuntu the latest ubuntu nvidia driver package. my videocard is nvidia geforce 6600 AGP. [03:48] <jake1> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your ins tallation and add the correct paths! [03:48] <jake1> ??? [03:48] <jake1> what do i do? [03:50] <jake1> hello??? [03:56] <frank> jake1: compiling? you need xorg-dev or something like that [03:57] <jake1> xorg-dev? [03:57] <frank> are you comiling something? [03:57] <frank> compiling* [03:57] <jake1> yes frank [03:58] <jake1> it started the ./configure [03:58] <jake1> but the last message i got said "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your ins tallation and add the correct paths! [03:58] <jake1> " [03:58] <jake1> i have xorg-common installed [03:59] <jake1> and xorg-driver-synaptics, xserver-xorg [03:59] <frank> probably you need x-dev [03:59] <jake1> apt-get install x-dev? [04:00] <frank> yeah [04:00] <frank> what are you compiling? [04:01] <Jeezis> hmm, is there a good kde applet to monitor my network connection? [04:01] <frank> or maybe its libx11-dev I don't really know [04:05] <TestMAD> lets hope you told him the right one huh frank? [04:05] <TestMAD> heh [04:06] <frank> hope so! [04:24] <TestMAD> i was jsut reading an interview with leo laporte..and he said that he sees an open source OS overtaking M$ and that it wont be linux. [04:25] <TestMAD> kinda makes you think..whats in future [04:27] <frank> TestMAD: what an OS that doesn't exist yet? that will take some time! [04:27] <TestMAD> yea.. [04:27] <JadeFire> when I use amroK to connect to an inernet stream it freezes [04:27] <TestMAD> but..it lets the imagination run wild tho doesnt it [04:29] <TestMAD> i dont think it could happen for a few years..but i do think that M$ is past its prime [04:30] <TestMAD> i know its just a pipe dream..but an os that could support mac,win,and linux would rock [04:32] <jake1> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. [04:32] <jake1> So, check this please and use another prefix! [04:32] <jake1> wtf mate [04:34] <TestMAD> frank: heres a link to the article if you want to read it. [04:34] <TestMAD> http://www.madpenguin.org/cms/html/62/4791.html [04:35] <frank> thanks [04:36] <JadeFire> when I use AmroK to connect to an inernet stream it freezes how do i solve this [04:36] <JadeFire> ? [04:37] <JadeFire> anybody [04:37] <JadeFire> ? [04:39] <JadeFire> ? [04:40] <JadeFire> :-( [04:52] <TestMAD> frank: i just hope that whatever changes comealong..im not too old to keep up [05:17] <Jet2k5> pax: ok, where can I find the option to control my sound through my volume keys on my keyboard, in gnome they are under keyboard shortcuts, but I can't find them on KDE [05:18] <pax> oh boy, nothing under kcontrol? [05:18] <Jet2k5> not that I can see [05:20] <pax> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultimediaKeys [05:20] <Jet2k5> I know how it works in gnome [05:20] <Jet2k5> but isn't there a front end nice GUI for it? [05:21] <pax> I'm not sure dude, give #kde a shot, I never use any multimedia keys [05:21] <Jet2k5> k [05:22] <Jet2k5> thanks anyway, I don't feel like setting up xbindkey just for that :P [05:33] <hippie> how to delete only one package? [05:39] <ttrocal> Hello, I'm getting an error while trying to configure kdar for installation: checking for libz... configure: error: not found. Possibly configure picks up an outdated version installed by XFree86. Remove it from your system. Check your installation and look into config.log [05:40] <Jeezis> hrm, anyone here have any thoughts on why my amd athlon xp-m, which should be 1.79 ghz, is only shown as 530mhz? [05:40] <ttrocal> 'locate libz' finds /usr/lib/libz.so.1 and /usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.2 [05:40] <frank> Jeezis: powernowd slows it down but it will go faster when you need it [05:41] <frank> ttrocal: you need the -dev package [05:41] <frank> ttrocal: like libz-dev or something [05:42] <Jeezis> frank: will it still show it at only 530mhz in /dev/proc because of powernowd? [05:42] <frank> yeah [05:42] <ttrocal> I installed libx11-dev already. libz doesn't seem to be a package. [05:42] <Jeezis> ok, thanks a lot, i just wanted to make sure there wasn't something wrong [05:42] <TestMAD> frank: did you read that article? what did you think of it? [05:43] <frank> TestMAD: well its pretty vague, and I just skimmed over it. He just says that some unix-like opensource OS will take alot of market share from Microsoft [05:43] <frank> TestMAD: he doesn't know which one [05:44] <TestMAD> i thnik he has a good point about user interface design tho [05:45] <ttrocal> Oh, looks like libz was part of the package 'zlib'. Got that taken care of, but not I'm getting another configure error. [05:45] <frank> TestMAD: What he says about the decline of Microsoft is true though. They try to improve security for Longhorn but that would break alot of old apps so they are stuck between a rock and a hard place [05:45] <cs378> god i am startin to hate KDE, can i FULLY change it to gnome [05:45] <frank> ttrocal: good [05:46] <frank> cs378: I like kde better [05:46] <TestMAD> yea..vista is supposed to be an attempt to get away from using the registry..(i wonder where they got that idea from..was it /etc?..hehe) but they're still going to use a virtual registry [05:46] <frank> cs378: you mean install gnome? [05:46] <cs378> frank: im havin error on the kcontrol [05:46] <cs378> frank: yea install gnome [05:47] <frank> install ubuntu-desktop [05:47] <cs378> thats all i do? [05:47] <cs378> after that, itll boot up with gnome? [05:48] <TestMAD> frank: if you install gnome in kubuntu..will it give you a choice for what to use for your session? [05:48] <frank> you will have the choice when you click session before logging in [05:48] <cs378> ohhh [05:48] <cs378> so if i log in with gnome, i get the same start menu as in kde right? [05:49] <frank> cs378: well the programs from both are pretty mixed up in the menu, they're pretty much all there [05:50] <cs378> so, the differance between kde n gnome is its theme and the system control panel [05:50] <frank> cs378: no there are alot more differences [05:50] <frank> cs378: its a whole desktop environment [05:51] <pax> frank [05:51] <frank> yeah? [05:51] <cs378> frank: i think ill do both, i heard gnome has less error [05:51] <pax> you use ff? [05:52] <frank> cs378: maybe... I have kde 3.4.2 and things rarely fuck up [05:52] <frank> pax yeah I use it [05:52] <pax> do you know how to remove a theme manualy? [05:52] <frank> what do you mean? just change it [05:53] <frank> or do you want to delete it? [05:53] <pax> the darn thing would start with this theme installed [05:53] <pax> not* [05:53] <frank> oh its not starting at all? [05:54] <pax> nop, I gotta find away to delete just the theme not the entire profile [05:54] <arcanistherogue> hey, has anyone installed UT2004 on linux? [05:54] <arcanistherogue> I am having an error [05:54] <cs378> frank: u kno when u go into kcontrol n Administrator Mode <-- this thing was never works [05:55] <Kovecses> arcanistherogue, are u using cedega [05:55] <arcanistherogue> no [05:55] <arcanistherogue> im doing the native install [05:55] <arcanistherogue> with this linux-install.sh [05:55] <frank> cs378: ok I never had this problem but I heard of it [05:55] <frank> cs378: just update to the newest kde [05:55] <frank> cs378: It probably will fix it [05:56] <frank> cs378: look at the topic [05:56] <cs378> frank: i think i should have to newest kde, this is my 3rd day usin linux [05:56] <cs378> haha [05:56] <cs378> frank: i know, i searched the forum, followed the step, but still don work, oh well, im newbie, i guess i don need much [05:56] <frank> look at the topic here [05:56] <cs378> frank: only works when i openin console: sudo kcontrol [05:57] <delltony> question: anyone know of a chm reader for kde? i have tried xchm for x but for some reason the chm file i have will not work with xchm :( [05:57] <frank> pax themes are treated as extensions [05:57] <pax> frank: safe mode did it, sometimes I just can't think :) [05:57] <frank> look in ~/.mozilla/firefox/k47o56pw.default/extensions [05:58] <pax> frank [05:58] <pax> it's all fixed [05:58] <frank> ok [05:58] <frank> delltony: I don't know [05:59] <frank> arcanistherogue: I installed the UT2004 demo.... [05:59] <delltony> thanksk [05:59] <arcanistherogue> frank: well it has to do with the discs, i dont think you would know that....im having na error [06:00] <frank> was the installer on the disk? [06:02] <hippie> can help me? [06:03] <frank> ask away [06:03] <dell500> how do you get rar files to work? [06:04] <frank> dell500: install rar its in multiverse [06:04] <hippie> how to remove only one package? [06:04] <frank> hippie in synaptic? [06:04] <dell500> frank, thanks [06:04] <arcanistherogue> frank: no, it was off the disc, but i got it working [06:04] <frank> ok [06:05] <hippie> yes,utilize that but me soon when doing aptitude wants to me to install the packages again [06:06] <frank> why do you need to uninstall it? and are you forcing the uninstall? [06:07] <delltony> quick question compiling to do a deb and add to apt and all that good stuff isn't it ./configure then make then checkinstall? [06:08] <hippie> need unistall package for disk space [06:09] <frank> well you can only uninstall packages that are not a dependancy for other ones [06:09] <delltony> sure would be nice if the repostitory had the kde app of kchmviewer [06:09] <frank> hippie: you can delete what is in /var/cache/apt/archives [06:10] <hippie> ok [06:11] <delltony> what is lXext part of? [06:12] <frank> delltony: what is that? [06:12] <dell500> rar doesn't work that well [06:12] <delltony> ../chmlib-0.35/libchm.la -lqt-mt -lz -lpng -lz -lm -lXext -lX11 -lSM -lICE -lpthread [06:12] <delltony> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext [06:12] <delltony> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status [06:12] <delltony> make[2] : *** [kchmviewer] Error 1 [06:12] <delltony> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/delltony/Desktop/kchmviewer-1.0/src' [06:12] <delltony> make[1] : *** [all] Error 2 [06:13] <hippie> 0 packages upgraded, 29 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded [06:13] <delltony> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/delltony/Desktop/kchmviewer-1.0/src' [06:13] <delltony> make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 [06:13] <frank> delltony: don't flood like that [06:13] <delltony> didn't mean to do that many lines [06:13] <frank> dell500: how so? [06:13] <delltony> how so what? [06:14] <hippie> to install the packages again [06:14] <frank> delltony: I was talking to the other dell [06:14] <TestMAD> soemone needs to change thier nich for a bit [06:14] <hippie> cant remove [06:15] <dell500> frank, i try to get this file out of the archive and it errors everytime [06:16] <frank> dell500: what is the error? maybe the archive is corrupted [06:16] <frank> hippie you're not very clear [06:17] <hippie> why? [06:17] <dell500> frank, "The extraction operation failed. Use "Detaisl" to view the last shell output." [06:17] <dell500> Extracting /home/dell500/america-boozers.img [06:17] <dell500> Write error in the file /home/dell500/america-boozers.img [R] etry, [A] bort [06:17] <dell500> Write error in the file /home/dell500/america-boozers.img [06:17] <dell500> Program aborted [06:17] <dell500> sorry [06:18] <frank> dell500: Is there room in there? [06:18] <dell500> i think so [06:18] <dell500> 60 gigs free space or so [06:18] <TestMAD> its cus its an img [06:18] <TestMAD> thats an iso [06:18] <TestMAD> of sorts [06:18] <frank> so? [06:18] <TestMAD> mount it [06:18] <TestMAD> then copy the file you want [06:19] <frank> dell500: do you have a .rar or a .img? [06:19] <dell500> a .img file is in the .rar [06:19] <TestMAD> y not just use ark? [06:19] <TestMAD> ive had noi problems with it doing rar [06:21] <TestMAD> dell500: are you using sudo? [06:22] <frank> dell500: you shouldn't need sudo for that [06:22] <TestMAD> try it tho [06:22] <TestMAD> never hurts [06:22] <frank> dell500: are you using the user dell500 to do this? [06:23] <dell500> ya [06:24] <ttrocal> Hmm, I'm still trying to install KDar. Now I get the following error during make: -c -o archiveHandle.o `test -f 'archiveHandle.cpp' || echo './'`archiveHandle.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/archiveHandle.Tpo" ".deps/archiveHandle.Po"; \ else rm -f ".deps/archiveHandle.Tpo"; exit 1; \ fi archiveHandle.cpp: In member function `libdar::crypto_algo archiveHandle::queryCryptoAlgorithm()': archiveHandle.cpp:222: error: [06:24] <ttrocal> `crypto_blowfish' undeclared in namespace `libdar [06:25] <frank> dell500: you could try using the shell to see if it works. rar x filename.rar [06:25] <frank> ttrocal: I still don't have an answer for that one [06:28] <dell500> worked [06:28] <dell500> computer is lagging hardcore [06:30] <TestMAD> this is off topic..but im wondering bout htis..has anyone figured out how to get peanutbutter onto the slice of bread w/o tearing the slice of bread up or smashing it flat? [06:32] <pax> toast it [06:33] <TestMAD> hot Pb&J??ewww [06:34] <mike> hey [06:34] <TestMAD> hi [06:34] <mike> kubuntu room isn't as talkative as the ubuntu room [06:34] <mike> ha [06:35] <TestMAD> means theres less problems [06:35] <TestMAD> hehe [06:35] <TestMAD> j/k [06:35] <mike> ha [06:35] <mike> i was reading a tutorial on ubuntu making eterm on the background transparent [06:35] <mike> not one for kubuntu though [06:36] <TestMAD> wish i could help.. [06:36] <sproingie> i say, what's wrong with hot pb&j? [06:36] <TestMAD> but im waiting for transparency in kde to get stable before i use it again. [06:36] <dell500> how do you cp a dir with all it's contents?? cp -r ? [06:36] <dell500> or something [06:36] <TestMAD> sproingie: its nasty [06:37] <sproingie> i find it tasty [06:37] <sproingie> i always toast mine [06:37] <sproingie> before putting the pb&j on, otherwise the toaster gets kinda messy ;) [06:37] <TestMAD> a ham andcheese..yes..pb&j..no [06:37] <sproingie> mmmmm [06:38] <TestMAD> gettin hungry huh? [06:39] <frank> pb&j? [06:39] <sproingie> mmm [06:40] <frank> ohhh pb&j new acronym for me [06:42] <TestMAD> when i cant smoke..i eat..bad habit..but thats just me.. [06:42] <TestMAD> better than biting my nails..like my wife [06:42] <pax> people in some parts of the world starve to death, try to think about that next time you enjoy your peanutbutter :D [06:43] <TestMAD> i love the peanutbutter.. [06:43] <TestMAD> i like peanutbutter fudge.. [06:43] <TestMAD> wich is hot [06:43] <TestMAD> but not hotr jelly [06:43] <TestMAD> it liquifies [06:44] <TestMAD> turns into a tangy, syruppy goo... [06:44] <TestMAD> and pax..i know about starving.. [06:44] <TestMAD> there was a point in my life where i lived off ketchup and mustard packets. [06:46] <frank> TestMAD: did you see the movie Terminal? [06:46] <frank> lol [06:46] <TestMAD> no [06:46] <TestMAD> i didnt [06:46] <TestMAD> whats it about? [06:46] <TestMAD> a hacker or someone dieing? [06:46] <pax> frank .. great movie [06:47] <frank> Tom Hanks is linving in an airport with no money. He eats ketchup/mustard and cracker sandwiches he can get for free [06:47] <mike> hackers NEVER DIE [06:47] <TestMAD> o..well atleast he was inside.. [06:47] <TestMAD> i was living in a park [06:48] <frank> TestMAD: for real? by necissity? [06:48] <TestMAD> got a big scar on my neck where i was attacked by a bunch of punk kids that tried to cut my throat. [06:48] <pax> not only no money, he didnt speak the language, didnt have a country, couldn't leave the airport .. [06:49] <TestMAD> that was a low point in my life.. [06:49] <frank> TestMAD: well I can imagine.... no I cannot, really [06:49] <TestMAD> and no..it wasn't drug related either..just made bad decisions and had bad choice in ppl i called friends. [06:49] <mike> anybody know how to set up bootsplash screens ? [06:49] <pax> the funny part is when the airport director tells him ' right now, you don't have a country, technically you don't exist' haha [06:50] <frank> pax: They filmed that movie in an airport around montreal that was built at great expense, never really used much and closed recently! [06:50] <pax> wow [06:50] <TestMAD> what a waste of money [06:50] <pax> it looked like JFK [06:51] <TestMAD> anyone here from canada? [06:51] <frank> pax: exactly! Trudeau built it and had to exproriate a shit load of people and it never worked. And last year, they named the m,ain Montreal airport after him. Some people didn't like that [06:51] <frank> frank I am, [06:52] <TestMAD> is it true that if you have a broken leg or somehting you can just goto the hospital and get it taken care of fast and free.. [06:52] <TestMAD> but.. [06:52] <pax> quebequois don't care about federal money frank [06:53] <TestMAD> if you have cancer you might as well start planning the burial? [06:53] <pax> yeah, everything is covered but dental [06:53] <frank> pax: did you watch the gommery inquiery? the Qubequois sure did! It was like the OJ trial on RDI. On all the time for months! [06:53] <pax> nah didnt [06:54] <TestMAD> they wont let me in the country [06:54] <frank> TestMAD: where are you from? [06:54] <pax> man saint denis is the place to be, hot chicks :D [06:54] <TestMAD> texas. [06:54] <frank> criminal record? [06:54] <TestMAD> i live in west virginia now.. [06:55] <TestMAD> and yes.. [06:55] <TestMAD> defferred.. [06:55] <TestMAD> felon [06:55] <frank> ouch [06:55] <dell500> is it possible to clear the cache of the open files dialog box, the pull down menu.... [06:55] <frank> dell500: in what program? [06:55] <TestMAD> assault with a deadly weapon..from when i almost got my throat cut [06:56] <dell500> kaffiene i think [06:56] <TestMAD> i beat one of those kids down with a big stick and put him in the hospital [06:56] <dell500> or even firefox [06:56] <TestMAD> it was seld defense..but to the extreme i guess is how they saw it [06:56] <frank> dell500: its in the settings for kaffeine [06:56] <TestMAD> cus i could have stopped hitting him after he went down..but i didnt. [06:57] <frank> TestMAD: but he tried to kill you. Not obious.... [06:57] <TestMAD> got 10 years deffered adjudication.. [06:57] <dell500> for when you goto File -> Open dialog box? [06:57] <dell500> bad grammar... [06:57] <frank> ah... no [06:58] <TestMAD> if i ever goto alaska..ill have to fly or boat to it..cus i cant drive it now [06:58] <TestMAD> which sucks..cus i would like to see B.C. [06:59] <frank> dell500: you mean when you go open file? [06:59] <frank> TestMAD: yeah BC is beautiful [06:59] <dell500> frank, yes [07:00] <frank> covering tracks.....? ok I know where it is, sec [07:00] <frank> heh [07:00] <dell500> :) [07:00] <frank> rm ~/.kde/share/config/kaffeinerc [07:02] <TestMAD> i hope that my taxes that i get back this year can go striaght to investing.. [07:02] <frank> TestMAD: how old are you? [07:02] <TestMAD> gotta build that 40K residual income so i can move to New Zealand [07:02] <TestMAD> 26 [07:03] <frank> When did you live in the park? [07:03] <TestMAD> when i was 19 [07:04] <frank> ok, just curious [07:04] <frank> :-) [07:05] <TestMAD> didnt have family to goto either..mom lives in the psyche ward...dad didnt want me since i was born [07:05] <TestMAD> had no place to goto [07:05] <frank> man, that's harsh. You didn't get it easy [07:05] <TestMAD> only over the past few years have me and my "father" been able to see eye to eye.. [07:06] <frank> I'm sure you have alot of stories to tell at a party [07:06] <TestMAD> and my mom..she's still nuts..doesnt live in the psycheward anymore..but she's still crazy [07:06] <TestMAD> not really.. [07:06] <TestMAD> not ones with happy endings anyways [07:06] <frank> ok [07:07] <TestMAD> the only thing i got going for me now..is my grfx business..and my wife and kids.. [07:07] <frank> That's alot more than I have. [07:07] <TestMAD> after i hit bottom, i managed to pick myself up pretty quick with the help of the state of texas dept. of corrections [07:07] <TestMAD> lol [07:08] <frank> no wife, no kids, finishing studying something I found out I'm not really into [07:08] <TestMAD> what you studying for? [07:08] <frank> Physics [07:08] <TestMAD> ahh.. [07:09] <TestMAD> i loved physics and chemistry in school. [07:09] <TestMAD> my chem teacher called me the unabomber. [07:09] <TestMAD> i blew up too many lab experiments [07:09] <frank> It's still worthwhile but I want to do something different. I've been studying for way too long! [07:10] <TestMAD> well..learn some programming and get job with nvidia or ati. [07:10] <TestMAD> develope thier physics processors [07:10] <frank> yeah... [07:10] <frank> that will probably go right on the graphics cards [07:11] <TestMAD> i only just recently started my grfx co..so i still sit at home alot and depend on the wife for income.. [07:11] <frank> what do you do? [07:11] <TestMAD> i dont like it..but she supports me in this [07:11] <frank> that is very cool. [07:11] <TestMAD> phototouch up...web grfx..comercial grfx..signs.. [07:11] <TestMAD> shirts.. [07:11] <frank> My friend's girlfriend is a nurse and I call her his sugar momma [07:11] <TestMAD> ive done a few cd covers for local bands in texas [07:12] <frank> ok [07:12] <TestMAD> heh..my wife is hoping to goto school this spring to be a P.A. [07:12] <TestMAD> physicians assistant [07:12] <frank> what is that? [07:12] <TestMAD> right under a doctor. [07:13] <frank> but not a nurse? [07:13] <frank> like a technician of some sort? [07:13] <TestMAD> if she went to school for another 1 or 2 after that she would be a doctor. [07:13] <TestMAD> no.. [07:13] <TestMAD> she's above a practitioning nurse.. [07:13] <frank> I never really heard of that job [07:13] <TestMAD> and below a doctor [07:13] <frank> ok [07:13] <TestMAD> after PA is MD [07:14] <TestMAD> lets se..it goes.. [07:14] <TestMAD> CNA,MA,LVN,LPN,RN,PN,PA,MD [07:14] <TestMAD> i think [07:15] <frank> Where will she study? UT? [07:15] <TestMAD> no..we live in west virginia now [07:15] <frank> oh [07:15] <TestMAD> fairmont state [07:15] <frank> don't know that many universities in the US [07:15] <TestMAD> we moved from houston..we had a neighbor get killed.. [07:15] <TestMAD> and we decided that was no place to raise kids..and moved to WV where her family was [07:16] <frank> good move [07:16] <TestMAD> houston is nice..if you have money..but if your lower to middle class..its not so great [07:16] <TestMAD> and we were low class [07:16] <TestMAD> id say we're up to middle now. [07:17] <TestMAD> got a car..a crappy one though..and a house [07:17] <frank> you bought the house? [07:17] <TestMAD> bills are paid..foods in the fridge [07:17] <TestMAD> yea [07:17] <TestMAD> paid cash [07:17] <frank> I'm a long way from settling down. [07:17] <TestMAD> it was only 12,000$ [07:18] <TestMAD> we used our savings and last years tax check to buy it. [07:18] <TestMAD> got a loan from the bank..and fixed it up. [07:18] <frank> cool [07:18] <TestMAD> we might sell it about a year or 2 and move to another house here in the area. [07:19] <frank> anyways I gotta go to bed. It was nice talking to you [07:19] <TestMAD> sofar we spent the 12K to buy.. and the loan with interest is 6K..so..for 18K we got a house thats now valued at 32K.. [07:19] <TestMAD> good profit there [07:19] <TestMAD> same here frank [07:19] <TestMAD> nite [07:19] <frank> gnit [07:20] <TestMAD> hi nikkia [07:37] <mike> anybody know when kubuntu ...6(?) is coming out? [07:40] <paines> 6 ? [07:40] <paines> you mean the next release [07:41] <paines> about october I read in here yesterday [07:46] <frank> mike: it will be 5.10 (oct 2005) [07:47] <cs378> hi, i installed kubuntu, don kinda like kde, cuz of some error, can i start a new installation with ubuntu? (im at dual boot - dont wanna mess up my windows xp) [07:47] <frank> cs378: just do the install again and tell the installer which partitions to use [07:49] <cs378> frank: sup again, u told me the apt-get install ubuntu-desktop [07:50] <cs378> frank; i try to run the gnome, but got error, now i cant uninstlll it, oh well, my linux is a mess [07:50] <cs378> thx [07:58] <paines> wow [07:58] <paines> i justed discovered that you can do sudo su [07:58] <paines> and voila [07:58] <paines> you are root [07:58] <paines> no more need to sudo apt- etc ... [07:58] <paines> yeah ! [08:12] <TestMAD> paines: you can also sudo -i [08:14] <paines> indeed [08:14] <paines> thx [08:42] <Jet2k5> anybodies kopete broken? [08:43] <saku_0> hi jet2k5 [08:43] <saku_0> my kopete don't work [08:43] <saku_0> i don't know why [08:43] <Jet2k5> hmm :( [08:43] <Jet2k5> mine either [08:43] <Jet2k5> lol [08:43] <saku_0> ;) [08:43] <Jet2k5> I just found out [08:44] <Jet2k5> this is odd, any devs on the case? [08:44] <saku_0> this night i have just pass to have internet [08:44] <saku_0> lol [08:44] <Jet2k5> heh [08:44] <Jet2k5> this sucks I was going to talk to like this really hot hot chick [08:44] <frank> your right [08:44] <frank> mine stopped working [08:44] <Jet2k5> lol [08:45] <Jet2k5> anybody else? [08:45] <frank> Micro$oft is sneaky tonight [08:45] <Jet2k5> who are the devs? if any in here? [08:47] <frank> gaim still works [08:48] <Jet2k5> bah, I haven't got gtk working yet [08:48] <Jet2k5> so it looks very ugly [08:51] <Jet2k5> well I wonder when devs are fixing it [08:56] <ray_> anybody know how to change the background image for kdm? [09:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i get xmms to use artsd? [09:35] <nikkia> BROKEN_LADDER: install the xmms-arts package, then select arts as the output plugin [09:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> ahh [09:45] <insanekane> hello all [09:46] <nikkia> morning insanekane, thoreauputic [09:47] <insanekane> hello nikkia, thoreauputic [09:47] <thoreauputic> hi nikkia :) [09:47] <thoreauputic> hi insanekane ] [09:47] <insanekane> :) [09:49] <insanekane> Riddell: need freetype 2.1.9 for scribus 1.3 ... currently 2.1.7 [09:57] <bjv> ok, i notice 2 apps that ive aptgotten crash often. [09:57] <bjv> 1, firefox, 2 gaim. [09:57] <bjv> are there more stable versions? [09:57] <bjv> what is the best solution here. [10:03] <nikkia> wooohoo [10:03] <nikkia> i did get paid this month [10:04] <ilba7r> lol nikkia good for you [10:13] <larf> hi [10:15] <insanekane> nikkia: i just got paid this morning too [10:16] <nikkia> insanekane: its always a bit of a gamble for us :P [10:16] <insanekane> hehe nice one :) [10:16] <nikkia> the CFO is a very lazy man :P [10:16] <insanekane> haha [10:17] <nikkia> one month noone got paid on time, 'because i couldn't be bothered to do the bank transfers on friday' [10:17] <insanekane> LOL [10:17] <insanekane> emm [10:17] <insanekane> sorry [10:18] <insanekane> it was funny though :) [10:18] <paines> hrhr [10:18] <nikkia> i got a free day off [10:18] <insanekane> free day off ? [10:18] <insanekane> of what ? [10:18] <nikkia> i stormed into the office and told my boss 'now i'm gonna have to ****ing take a day off to pay my bills, because some tard can't do the pay on time and thus i can't do it on saturday' [10:19] <insanekane> haha, good show :) [10:19] <nikkia> so he told me i could take the monday off without it counting against my holidays [10:21] <insanekane> only now did i get it ... it was (free (day off)) ... i thought it was ((free day) off) :P [10:25] <nikkia> morning mez [10:27] <nikkia> interesting... [10:27] <Mez> morning nikkia [10:28] <nikkia> mez, i'm watching bulldog mess my phone line up :P [10:28] <Mez> lol [10:28] <nikkia> 20 minutes ago, its outgoing number changed, now its gone back to my original number, but calling it doesn't connect [10:30] <paines> hmmm [10:30] <paines> i am missing to burn cua and bin files in k3b [10:30] <paines> cua=cue [10:31] <nikkia> paines: you need cdrdao [10:31] <paines> nikkia: installed it [10:31] <nikkia> paines: does it show up in k3b's programs list ? [10:31] <paines> yep [10:32] <ray_> hello [10:32] <nikkia> hmmm [10:32] <ray_> my other keyboard was all messed up [10:33] <nikkia> paines: what error message does k3b give you when you try to select a cue file ? [10:33] <ray_> does anybody know how too change the background in kdm? [10:33] <paines> nikkia: forget. last time i used the dialog was diffrent. now you just use burn cd image and choose from the drop down menu cue/bni image [10:33] <paines> didn't see that [10:34] <ray_> anybody? [10:34] <paines> ray_ kcontrol->system administration [10:35] <paines> background [10:35] <ray_> paines: try it it doesnt work [10:35] <paines> ray_: you must be system admministrator for that [10:35] <nikkia> ray, it doesn't work because you're using a KDM theme, and the background is only used after the login is done in that situation [10:35] <ray_> paines: i know....doesnt work [10:35] <paines> nikkia: thx, now it's burning [10:36] <paines> ray_: strange [10:36] <ray_> nikkia: you know any solution? [10:36] <nikkia> paines: its not strange, it really does act like that, when KDM is using a theme, it only uses the background between the login having happened, and ksplash starting up [10:37] <nikkia> ray, erm, a kubuntu-friendly one? no, not really, at a pinch, you can replace the background file for the KDM theme [10:37] <ray_> there is a file to edit....but i dont know which one [10:37] <nikkia> ray, or, slightly better, you can copy the kdm theme to a new name, and change it's background file, that way you're not overwriting any kubuntu files [10:38] <ray_> nikkia: how do i do that? [10:39] <ray_> gnome makes it so easy........kdm is bad [10:39] <nikkia> ray, the themes are in /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes [10:39] <ray_> ok [10:40] <nikkia> ray, if you cd to there, and do cp -a kubuntu kubuntu-new then put your new background as background.png in the kubuntu-new directory... [10:40] <ray_> o k i got ya [10:40] <nikkia> then edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc and change the Theme= line to point to your new theme [10:41] <ray_> no i got a better idea [10:41] <hettar> has anyone here manged to install the ATI drivers on ubuntu ? [10:47] <Poromies> hettar: if you are using the default kernel, installing ati-drivers is as easy as: "sudo apt-get install xorg-fglrx-drivers" [10:48] <Poromies> if not, like me, then you need to do some digging on various how-to's, webforums and guides :) [10:52] <b3n_> hi [10:53] <b3n_> i saw on the forums that there is quite some need for the kubuntu hoary powerpc dvd [10:53] <b3n_> everyone including me is stuck at 72.1% on bittorrent, could someone who has the dvd start uploading it on bittorrent? [10:54] <b3n_> i would be happy to put the dvd image on my ubuntu/kubuntu dvd image mirror at http://nginyang.uvt.nl [10:55] <b3n_> it is the kubuntu-5.04-dvd-powerpc.iso file [10:58] <nikkia> insanekane: using jack for all audio is remarkable... [10:58] <torz> mmm my amd64 iso seems to not boot [10:58] <torz> weird [10:58] <nikkia> insanekane: i have java eating 600MB of my swap and my system performance at a crawl, yet still beep->jack is still only using 2% cpu and playing flawlessly [10:58] <hettar> Poromies: I need the newer drivers for my card. I found howto though so Hopefully it will all go ok [11:01] <insanekane> nikkia: amazing [11:01] <insanekane> nikkia: is it supported by amarok, juk, etc ? [11:02] <insanekane> nikkia: whats your opinion ? should I use that instead of the kubuntu default (gstreamer right ?) for my derived distro ? [11:02] <nikkia> insanekane: i have artsd routed to jack, so yes [11:02] <insanekane> cool [11:03] <nikkia> insanekane: the problem is, getting jack setup needs some mods to the kernel and kde compiled differently, plus some /usr/sbin/startkde hacking [11:03] <nikkia> kubuntu's arts isn't compiled with jack support... [11:03] <insanekane> hrmmmm [11:03] <buz> what is jack good for anyway [11:03] <insanekane> maybe thats something Riddell can do ;) [11:03] <nikkia> buz, pro audio type stuff, but its a better all-around sound system than the others [11:04] <torz> nikkia: is there a way to boot isos without just turning on the computer with the cd in it? [11:04] <nikkia> torz, not that i know of [11:04] <buz> vmware can boot from file i think [11:04] <insanekane> torz: yes ... use vmware, bochs, etc [11:04] <torz> nikkia: no probs, I just realised that I have to get dirty with BIOS. [11:04] <insanekane> iirc [11:05] <insanekane> i believe thats how the installer screenshots are taken ?? [11:05] <torz> my new machine is probably not set to boot from optical media [11:05] <nikkia> insanekane: thats not quite what torz asked for, though :) [11:06] <insanekane> torz: setup to boot from CDROM is quite easy ... hardly what i would describe "getting dirty with" [11:06] <insanekane> nikkia: yeah, i just realised [11:07] <insanekane> ook, c anan anyee ellm ...what sshould Iintall to get startx working ?? [11:07] <nikkia> insanekane: first get your system load lower so its not mangling your keyboard buffer :P [11:08] <insanekane> nikkia: sorry about that ... but no can do :/ ... am compiling something important [11:08] <nikkia> insanekane: know the feeling :/ [11:08] <insanekane> can anyone tell me what I should install to get startx working ? [11:09] <insanekane> nikkia: i doubt it ... have you compiled something on a machine with 98 MB RAM ? [11:09] <nikkia> insanekane: my keyboard buffer does that too, under heavy load, its very bizarre, if you notice, it is grouping the characters, ie, if you type 'hello all' and its high load, it'll come out as 'hellllo a' [11:09] <insanekane> yes, i notice [11:09] <ray_> ok i have changed my kdmm background pic...........but now when the bootsplash comes up there is no background....does anybody know why? [11:09] <nikkia> ray, now you need to change the ksplash theme's background :P [11:10] <ray_> nikkia: ok how do i do that? [11:10] <nikkia> ray, same drill as before, but copy the ksplash theme in /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes instead [11:10] <nikkia> this time, you can change the ksplash theme within kcontrol though [11:10] <insanekane> ok, i have startx ... now need to get /usr/bin/X [11:10] <ray_> you are awsome nikkia [11:10] <insanekane> err [11:10] <torz> mmm where the hell is the boot priority [11:11] <torz> ah found it [11:11] <insanekane> now need to get /usr/bin/X11/X [11:11] <nikkia> insanekane: xserver-xorg ? [11:11] <jeh_work> helo [11:12] <nikkia> insanekane: what exactly are you doing anyway? building a kubuntu system from a 'only basic packages' base ? [11:12] <insanekane> nikkia: nope ... i already installed that [11:12] <nikkia> insanekane: did you configure it ? [11:12] <insanekane> nikkia: no .. idid apt-get upgrade .. and now no X :/ [11:13] <nikkia> insanekane: weird [11:21] <Kejk_PL> kde 3.4.2 - you are really fast :) [11:22] <ray_> nikkia: ok there is no background during the splash screen [11:22] <ray_> ive tried everything [11:22] <nikkia> ray, thats very strange [11:22] <nikkia> ray, which splash theme are you using ? [11:23] <ray_> i just want the kdm background to STAY when the boot splash comes up like it does by default [11:23] <nikkia> ray, yeah, it doesn't work like that really :/ [11:23] <ray_> nikkia: the default splash screen [11:23] <buz> anybody know where to get linux cell phones in europe [11:23] <nikkia> ray, kdm and ksplah both have their own backgrounds, so what you have to do is fake it by setting the background of the two to be either the same or similar [11:23] <buz> a nice qtopia phone would be to my likin [11:23] <nikkia> buz, i don't think there are any on the market yet [11:24] <nikkia> buz, samsung has one, i think, but its asia-only atm [11:24] <ray_> nikkia: it does when you install kubuntu....even if you change the splash to default ...the background sticks....when i do it now it goes away [11:25] <nikkia> ray, its not sticking, its the fact that kubuntu's splash theme uses the same background as kubuntu's kdm theme :) [11:26] <nikkia> ray, and kdm is configured to use the same background as its background, as well [11:26] <nikkia> so the background goes thru the following: [kdm theme during login prompt] ->set to background defined in kdmrc->[ksplash background] [11:27] <ray_> nikkia: yeah i get that.............but im not using kubuntus splash.....im using default kde....and when you change the default splash screen kubuntu's background stays..... [11:27] <nikkia> ray, so to get it consistant you need to set all 3 to the same image [11:27] <buz> that was weird [11:27] <ray_> nikkia: yeah im missing the third location [11:27] <buz> after hitting win+z (for amarok) my keyboard wouldnt work anymore [11:28] <ray_> nikkia: during the bootsplash [11:28] <nikkia> ray, in theory, you could make it dynamic by grabbing the screen image after the kdm theme is finished (ie you've started the login), and use that for the 2 remaining processes [11:28] <ray_> nikkia: huh [11:28] <nikkia> ray, it should be /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/kubuntu/Background.jpg [11:28] <ray_> nikkia: ok let me try thay [11:28] <ray_> nikkia: ok let me try that [11:32] <ray_> nikkia: nope i still get the grey x background when the splash comes up [11:33] <nikkia> ray, that sounds suspiciously like startkde isn't determining that you're running from kdm [11:34] <boga> I need the mplayer kde gui, ho do I install it? [11:34] <ray_> nikkia: ok [11:34] <torz> um... when you first install Kubuntu64, is it not supposed to load KDE? [11:35] <torz> I just finished the first stage of installation and the system rebooted. [11:35] <torz> everything is text-based. [11:39] <nikkia> youch, 1.5GB of swap used [11:39] <torz> nikkia, which Kubuntu do you run? [11:40] <torz> x86_64? [11:40] <nikkia> torz, i have 5.04 on my laptop, my desktop is running a linux built from scratch tho [11:40] <nikkia> all x86, no AMD here [11:40] <torz> hmm [11:40] <torz> its pretty random eh [11:40] <torz> just installed it and its giving me text based [11:41] <torz> I thought the "K" was for KDE Lo [11:41] <torz> :p [11:41] <nikkia> torz, its probably a video card issue [11:41] <torz> ha really? damn! [11:42] <torz> but surely it doesnt require anything extrodinary [11:42] <nikkia> torz, AMD64 stuff is a bit hit or miss, the drivers for your card might not be working properly because of the fact you're running AMD64 [11:42] <ray_> nikkia: after a long time i figured itout [11:43] <nikkia> torz, check in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if there is some error message [11:43] <torz> nikkia: cheeers I'll look right now [11:44] <torz> hahaha [11:44] <nikkia> torz, unless you really need 64bit support, or know what you're doing, you're probably better off running plain 32bit for now, really [11:44] <torz> there is no log for xorg in there [11:44] <torz> locate xorg seems to not return anything [11:44] <nikkia> torz, no, it won't :) [11:44] <nikkia> torz, try logging in and doing 'startx' [11:45] <nikkia> my guess is that it'll say 'No Screens found' :) [11:45] <torz> command not found [11:45] <torz> heh [11:45] <nikkia> torz, umm, you didn't install 'server' did you ? [11:45] <torz> yep [11:45] <torz> I did indeed [11:45] <nikkia> there you go then [11:45] <torz> hahaha [11:45] <torz> was I being a bad boy by doing that [11:45] <nikkia> server is a bare bones install without X or KDE or anything like that [11:45] <nikkia> torz, well, its for running servers, not desktops :) [11:46] <torz> damn you, only if you told me that 10 minutes ago [11:46] <nikkia> torz, you might be able to fix it without reinstalling [11:46] <nikkia> torz, try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [11:46] <ray_> nikkia: well............god damn i dont get it......i have the backgorun pic i want during splash....but it turns grey in between...how does kubuntu stop it from doing that? [11:46] <torz> nah I'll reinstall, it only takes 10minutes or so [11:47] <torz> this thing installs so fast! the only thing thats slowing me down is the speed of the CD drive/ [11:47] <ray_> yeah kubuntu installs fast [11:47] <ray_> ok brb [11:47] <boga> ray_: And it also feels fast compared to SuSe [11:48] <nikkia> boga, what doesn't ? :) [11:48] <boga> SUSE is not as fast as Kubuntu [11:49] <boga> I mean in daily use [11:49] <nikkia> boga, i know, i was implying that suse feels slow compared to everything else [11:50] <torz> boga: good to hear!! I was actually going to install SuSE [11:50] <boga> the only advantage of suse is Yast. Simpler but too slow! [11:51] <ray_> who is using 3.4.2? [11:52] <ray_> anybody?/ [11:53] <ray_> hello? [11:53] <torz> ray_: I'm in the process of installing :p [11:54] <ray_> torz: it is sooooooo much better than 3.4 or 3.4.1 [11:54] <ray_> torz: you will not be dissapointed [11:54] <torz> how so? [12:01] <torz> yeah I'll upgrade as soon as the x86_64 install finishes. [12:01] <ray_> torz: no bugs that were there before..... and quicker [12:01] <ray_> see ya it is 6 am here and i havent gone to bed yet [12:01] <torz> you call that late? [12:01] <torz> try going to bed at 8am :p [12:01] <ray_> torz: ive been there [12:01] <torz> me too [12:01] <torz> very often [12:01] <ray_> torz: i have a girl in my bed......... [12:01] <torz> I was an insomniac once. Not good for you. [12:01] <ray_> torz: i need to get there [12:01] <torz> ray_: make her beg you to go to bed then :p [12:01] <torz> much more interesting [12:01] <ray_> bye [12:04] <Riggzy_Linux> yawn... I'm tried today [12:04] <Riggzy_Linux> tired even [12:16] <torz> damn where in kcontrol can I change my screen resolution [12:16] <torz> it seems to not be in the obvious area [12:18] <nikkia> Peripherals/Display [12:18] <torz> sweet! [12:18] <torz> oh damn [12:18] <nikkia> but it needs your X config to have RandR configured, which you might not have [12:18] <torz> looks like I have to change xorg.conf or whatever [12:19] <torz> yeah it tells me my best resolution is 1024.768 [12:19] <torz> which is misleading! [12:19] <torz> ahhh . -> z [12:20] <insanekane> is there some meta-package i can install to make sure that X works ? :/ [12:21] <torz> nikkia: what does it mean by "depth" in regards to resolution? [12:21] <torz> looking at xorg.conf atm [12:21] <insanekane> the server dies stating it can't find the font "fixed" [12:21] <insanekane> torz: color depth [12:21] <torz> so 32 means 32bits? [12:21] <insanekane> well .. it means 2^32 colors [12:22] <nikkia> torz, yes [12:22] <nikkia> there's no real difference between 24 and 32bit, other than some cards support one, some the other [12:22] <torz> 2^32 == 32bits... [12:23] <torz> I see [12:23] <torz> sweet [12:23] <insanekane> yep [12:23] <nikkia> (it is referring to the framebuffer target, and thus doesn't matter if you use 24 or 32bit depth in terms of Composite (alpha blending) support, as that is not a function of the target framebuffer) [12:24] <nikkia> insanekane: no, it doesn't mean 2^32 colours, because all 32bit supporting cards just ignore the extra 8 bits in terms of colours used, it is just a means to padding the framebuffer pixels to fit in a double word and thus increase performance of the memory subsystem on the video card [12:25] <insanekane> right ... im really happy that computer designers now use marketing-speak :P [12:25] <insanekane> nikkia: what i would really like your help on though, is how to get the font "fixed" :) [12:26] <nikkia> insane, um, isn't fixed a base X font ? [12:27] <insanekane> yes [12:27] <insanekane> ive instaled xfonts-base [12:27] <insanekane> to no avail [12:27] <torz> wtf, kcontrol wont give me 1280x1024 even if I modify xorg.cong [12:27] <torz> conf [12:27] <torz> this is very annoying [12:28] <torz> 1024x768 is the best it shows in the dropdown box [12:28] <nikkia> torz, sometimes monitors lie [12:28] <nikkia> torz, especially if you're using a KVM [12:28] <torz> damn, I know why too. When installing it asked what resolution would I not like to use [12:29] <nikkia> ah [12:29] <torz> I accidentrally chose 1280x1024 [12:29] <torz> nah this monitor is pretty good. [12:29] <torz> considering 32bit kubuntu was happy with 1280x1024 [12:31] <nikkia> insanekane: actually, looking, i don't have fixed either [12:31] <nikkia> insanekane: it might be remapped to something else by freetype/fontconfig [12:31] <insanekane> hrmm [12:31] <insanekane> nikkia: do u have bdf/pcf in /usr/share/fonts ? [12:32] <nikkia> insanekane: i don't have a /user/share/fonts on my LFS install [12:32] <insanekane> LFS ? [12:33] <nikkia> insanekane: linux from scratch [12:33] <nikkia> and no, no sign of 'fixed' on my kubuntu machine either [12:33] <nikkia> the only thing close to fixed there, is a console font [12:33] <insanekane> Riddell: is there some meta package i can install to get X working on my machine ? I just upgraded (apt-get upgrade) and something went wrong, and X wont start :/ [12:33] <insanekane> nikkia: it probably is a console bitmap font [12:39] <Riddell> insanekane: I wish I knew [12:39] <brosio> anyone have kbluetooth ? [12:40] <brosio> how could i install it on my kubuntu ? [12:40] <Riddell> brosio: under breezy sudo apt-get install kdebluetooth [12:44] <brosio> Riddell, found thx [12:45] <brosio> breezy is like unstable in debian ? [12:45] <Riddell> breezy is mega unstable [12:45] <insanekane> Riddell: oh great :/ [12:46] <Riddell> insanekane: what's wrong with your X? [12:46] <insanekane> Riddell: could not open default font 'fixed' [12:47] <nikkia> i think i used the package from: http://fred.hexbox.de/debian/ but i was told that its version number may result in inability to upgrade when breezy is released [12:48] <nikkia> it did, however, work perfectly, so its an option, as long as you remember that it may block breezy's kdebluetooth from installing [12:48] <nikkia> well, i say it worked perfectly, i never tried it against kitchensync, only for basic obex stuff [12:49] <Poromies> dammit >.< [12:49] <Poromies> has anyone using amd64 updated to KDE 3.4.2? [12:50] <Poromies> my apt is telling me that theres no amd64 version available (tried 3 different repos) [12:51] <Poromies> Tiedoston http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342/dists/hoary-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz nouto ei onnistunut 404 Not Found [12:51] <Poromies> :( [12:51] <Riddell> insanekane: same for me, no answer yet [12:52] <insanekane> Riddell: same for you ? [12:52] <Riddell> insanekane: X can't find fixed fonts [12:52] <insanekane> Riddell: i think its because of mkfontdir not existing ... i found that error when apt-get --reinstall xbase-fonts [12:52] <insanekane> apt-get --reinstall install xbase-fonts [12:53] <insanekane> Riddell: ttmkfdir missing for me :) ... let me try [12:54] <nikkia> insanekane: that'd do it [12:55] <insanekane> Riddell: no, it doesnt work :/ [12:55] <insanekane> mkfontdir: command not found :/ [12:55] <nikkia> insanekane: half of the fonts are aliased, so without mkfontdir you're not going to get your fonts.alias files [12:55] <insanekane> nikkia: its not that ... font.dir is missing thats the error [12:55] <insanekane> fonts.dir [12:57] <nikkia> insanekane: yes, but 'fixed' is an alias created by mkfontdir [12:57] <insanekane> oh right .. hehe .. sorry :) [12:57] <nikkia> /misc/fonts.alias:fixed -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1 [12:57] <insanekane> how do i figure out which package provides mkfontdir ? [12:57] <insanekane> sudo apt-cache search mkfontdir, shows x-ttfcidfont-conf [12:58] <insanekane> but i already have that installed [12:58] <nikkia> insanekane: you could apt-file it, if your apt-file database is still valid [12:58] <insanekane> ok let me try [12:58] <insanekane> no command apt-file :/ [12:58] <nikkia> insanekane: xutils here [12:59] <nikkia> xutils: usr/X11R6/bin/mkfontdir [12:59] <insanekane> i do believe i have that installed [12:59] <nikkia> insanekane: maybe try reinstalling it ? [12:59] <insanekane> let me try [01:00] <nikkia> oh cripes! [01:00] <nikkia> an 'important announcement' from work :/ [01:00] <insanekane> cya later then [01:01] <nikkia> nah, its just a .doc file :P [01:01] <nikkia> but 'important announcement's are never good [01:01] <nikkia> feh [01:01] <nikkia> our CFO doesn't want to relocate, so he's quit [01:01] <insanekane> LOL [01:02] <nikkia> 'instead, he will be moving to new zealand to start a new life' [01:02] <nikkia> erm, ok, so he CBA to move 100 miles, so he's going to NZ instead? whatever! [01:03] <nikkia> sometimes i really question the sanity of the people i work with [01:03] <insanekane> nikkia: as does everyone [01:03] <insanekane> i wish i could start a new life :/ [01:03] <nikkia> i've done it twice, its not all its cracked up to be [01:04] <insanekane> yeah, but what did you change in your new life ? [01:04] <nikkia> the basic problem is, that the suckiest part of your life - you - tends to follow you each time you 'start again' :) [01:04] <nikkia> insanekane: change 1) moved to US from UK, change 2) moved back to UK from US, 10 years later [01:04] <insanekane> thats not much of a change [01:04] <insanekane> just some geography [01:05] <nikkia> insanekane: its as much a change as 'moving to new zealand to start a new life' [01:05] <insanekane> maybe he's moving to NZ to start a new life as a sheep "farmer" whatever [01:05] <insanekane> whatever its called [01:05] <insanekane> cattle raiser ? [01:05] <nikkia> shepard? [01:05] <insanekane> yeah shepard :) [01:05] <nikkia> anyway, he doesn't have the physique for it [01:06] <insanekane> so ? [01:06] <insanekane> maybe he might end up raising chickens or something [01:06] <nikkia> he'd be out of breath half a minute after starting to walk up the hills :P [01:06] <insanekane> i think i should start a new life .. preferably one without Xorg [01:08] <insanekane> Riddell: is there a package search for Kubuntu ? (like Debian's) ? [01:08] <Riddell> insanekane: packages.ubuntu.com [01:08] <Riddell> or apt:/ in breezy with kio-apt [01:08] <insanekane> Riddell: i cant get breezy working remember :) [01:10] <Riddell> insanekane: I have an old version of xutils at http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/tmp/xutils_6.8.2-34_i386.deb [01:11] <insanekane> ok will try [01:11] <insanekane> Riddell: bugs.ubuntu.com ? [01:11] <_radu> hy . i have i question . can KDE 3.4.0 be upgraded to 3.4.2 via Konsole (apt-get upgrade)? [01:12] <Riddell> insanekane: that's the place [01:12] <insanekane> _radu: you probably need to add hoary-updates to sources.list ?? [01:12] <_radu> i aded them [01:12] <_radu> the four lines :D [01:12] <insanekane> in that case, probably yes :) [01:14] <may> bouh [01:14] <insanekane> if you people don't mind :) [01:15] <jpatrick> :P [01:15] <ztonzy> hmm [01:15] <ztonzy> does this channel use utf-8 ? [01:19] <jpatrick> no idea :-/ [01:20] <ztonzy> cause for me the espanol looks like this: " Espaol " in title [01:20] <insanekane> ztonzy: it looks like that to me too [01:21] <ztonzy> mmm [01:23] <McScruff> whats the best Visual C++ app for linux? [01:23] <jpatrick> KDevelop [01:24] <jpatrick> sudo apt-get install kdevelop3 [01:24] <jpatrick> :) [01:24] <McScruff> :) [01:25] <jpatrick> I use KDevelop for C++ [01:25] <jpatrick> but other languages such as Ruby etc... are included [01:26] <torz> ah, system is now almost configured to my liking :~) [01:26] <McScruff> well im new to programming and learning C atm, but i wanna build a gui on a C app, so i think i canbuild the gui in a visual C++ app, (pls correct me if im wrong) [01:27] <jpatrick> KDevelop(3) has C GUI [01:27] <McScruff> ooooooooo [01:27] <McScruff> thats perfect [01:28] <jpatrick> did you do sudo apt-get install kdevelop3? [01:28] <McScruff> just got it [01:28] <torz> GUI with C eh, I've only played with Java GUI via Eclipse. [01:28] <may> bouh [01:29] <Hacker> hey howzit [01:29] <McScruff> i am a n00b at programming in c tho [01:29] <may> bouh [01:29] <McScruff> im learning :) [01:29] <insanekane> McScruff: if you want to learn C++ GUI programming, i greatly suggest the Qt toolkit [01:29] <jpatrick> I've never done C [01:29] <McScruff> i want to learn C [01:29] <insanekane> oh right [01:29] <torz> McScruff: these days you shouldnt have to handcode GUI anyways :p [01:29] <jpatrick> just jumped to C++ [01:29] <may> bouh [01:29] <Hacker> any C# coder in the room [01:29] <may> bouhh [01:29] <insanekane> isnt there a C binding for Qt ? [01:29] <McScruff> i want to get into C for console development in the future [01:29] <torz> ah, "Thinking in C++" is a good book if you're going to migrate from C to C++ :~) [01:30] <McScruff> well i have only just started C [01:30] <may> bouh [01:30] <torz> bouh... is that english [01:30] <jpatrick> Has the program set up? [01:30] <McScruff> im running it atm [01:30] <Hacker> ATM hey [01:31] <torz> Hacker: I've looked into C# and I think its pretty damn close to Java (syntax wise). [01:31] <torz> I still need to look into mobo though. [01:31] <insanekane> Riddell: its a known bug ... lots of stuff missing, xset, xsetroot, etc [01:31] <Hacker> well if you can code C# yu can code Java [01:31] <insanekane> Riddell: #12872 [01:31] <torz> exactly, and vice versa. [01:31] <Hacker> the syntax is similar in some way [01:31] <may> bouh [01:31] <Hacker> yep [01:32] <insanekane> Riddell: about freetype ... any plans to upgrade to 2.1.9 ? required for scribus 1.3 [01:32] <may> bouh [01:32] <Hacker> do you code in C# Torz [01:32] <torz> Hacker: nope, too busy with C++ atm. [01:32] <may> bouh [01:32] <jpatrick> bouh?? [01:32] <torz> Hacker: I would love to look into it more though [01:32] <Hacker> ok [01:32] <may> bouh [01:33] <Hacker> yeah [01:33] <torz> what kind of english is "bouh"? [01:33] <torz> Hacker: I assume you're into C#? [01:33] <insanekane> its not english, its "dog" [01:33] <Hacker> well C as well which I'm familiar with C++ [01:33] <may> bouh [01:33] <insanekane> bouh bough [01:33] <insanekane> bow bow bouh [01:33] <torz> yeah C++ is cool, Java is average in many ways. [01:33] <may> bouh [01:34] <torz> i.e. multiple inheritence. [01:34] <Hacker> yeah [01:34] <McScruff> jpatrick, how do you draw a form :S [01:34] <may> bouh [01:34] <Hacker> Torz I gotta run bro, Chat later [01:34] <torz> later [01:34] <Hacker> u got ma e-mail [01:34] <torz> no [01:34] <may> bouh [01:35] <jpatrick> draw a form? [01:35] <may> bouh [01:35] <McScruff> i have built an app, but i wanna add a gui to it [01:35] <jpatrick> I have no idea... [01:36] <jpatrick> started C++ 5 months ago [01:36] <may> bouh [01:36] <jpatrick> or was it 7? [01:36] <may> bouh [01:36] <torz> mmm btw how do you change the background of konqeuror? [01:36] <torz> the dafault is pretty ugly (the gray bg). [01:37] <torz> I want the two tone blue/white background. [01:37] <may> bouh [01:37] <insanekane> finally, ooo 1.9.116 begins building [01:37] <torz> heh, bouh is the answer to my question?? [01:37] <may> bouh [01:38] <insanekane> may: maybe you have an encoding problem ? :) [01:38] <jpatrick> McScruff: look around the program you might something.. [01:38] <may> bouh [01:39] <McScruff> i am, im just havin a good look around :) [01:39] <may> bouh [01:39] <jpatrick> Maybe 'Interface Designer' is what you want [01:39] <may> bouh [01:40] <jpatrick> ok that's getting annoying [01:40] <may> bouh [01:40] <insanekane> yeah it is [01:40] <may> bouh [01:40] <insanekane> *very* irritating [01:40] <may> bouh [01:40] <insanekane> Riddell: ??? -> may [01:40] <may> bouh [01:40] <jpatrick> :P [01:41] <may> bouh [01:41] <torz> my goodness wtf would KDE guys decide to put the background configuration in View -> configure background. [01:41] <may> bouh [01:41] <insanekane> torz: eh ? [01:41] <may> bouh ? [01:41] <torz> insanekane: changing the background for konqueror. [01:41] <insanekane> eh ! [01:42] <insanekane> torz: oh right [01:42] <may> bouh [01:42] <may> bikaboouh [01:42] <Riddell> torz: I do wonder this too [01:42] <torz> my goodness, you must be so bored. [01:42] <may> bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [01:43] <torz> you mean pika boo? [01:43] <Riddell> insanekane: I don't think freetype will be updated, we're in version freeze [01:43] <may> bouh [01:43] <Riddell> insanekane: may? [01:44] <may> I don't speak english :-) [01:44] <jpatrick> so.. [01:44] <jpatrick> what do you speak? [01:44] <insanekane> Riddell: may is f&^&^^ around [01:44] <may> greek [01:45] <jpatrick> :-/ [01:45] <may> french [01:45] <torz> you seem to be able to understand english however. [01:45] <jpatrick> #kubuntu-fr [01:45] <insanekane> hehe [01:45] <may> bouh [01:46] <torz> wow, wonder if theres a kubuntu-jp [01:46] <torz> nope :~) [01:46] <torz> bummer. [01:46] <may> bouh [01:46] <torz> so what does bouh mean? [01:47] <may> I don't speak english !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [01:47] <may> bouh [01:48] <jpatrick> right..... o_O [01:48] <may> bouh [01:49] <Riddell> may: stop being annoying please or I'll kick you [01:49] <may> bouh [01:49] <jpatrick> bye bye [01:50] <torz> some ppl has too much time [01:50] <may> bouh [01:50] <jpatrick> not again [01:50] <Riddell> one more of those == ban [01:51] <torz> mmm you really dont want to be klined my friend. [01:51] <may> bouh [01:51] <jpatrick> bye bye [01:52] <jpatrick> :o [01:52] <torz> some ppl... [01:52] <insanekane> Riddell: OOo2 1.9.116 ... should I report bugs on that source package ? [01:52] <Riddell> insanekane: sure [01:53] <jpatrick> makes you think doesn't it? [01:53] <jpatrick> makes you think doesn't it? [01:53] <jpatrick> opps... [01:54] <torz> jpatrick: that some retards really need to find a hobby? [01:54] <jpatrick> yep [02:04] <jpatrick> got to go [02:04] <jpatrick> back soon.. [02:17] <Aapzak> people, who has a nice apt/sources.list? [02:18] <Aapzak> mine does not work well, and I want to install some kind of java, which I also do not have with my current repos [02:18] <jeh_work> maybe i should download kubuntu and give it a try [02:19] <jeh_work> my wife would like a kde based debian system that's more up-to-date than debian stable and less broken than sid :) [02:20] <Aapzak> then Kubuntu is one to try [02:20] <astro76> Aapzak, http://pastebin.com/324574 [02:20] <Aapzak> tnx astro76 [02:20] <equex> jeh_work: [02:21] <equex> thats some wife i might say :D [02:21] <jeh_work> equex: heh, a software developer that uses linux & kde :) [02:21] <jeh_work> can't complain [02:21] <Aapzak> hmmz, I found an access point but it isn't working fine, but at least I'm online :) [02:23] <Aapzak> how can I see which repos are not working well? are those the one with Ign in front of the line? (I'm using apt-get from CLI) [02:25] <torz> Aapzak: http://www.ubuntuguide.org [02:25] <torz> or if you just want Java then go to java.sun.com and download the binary there. [02:31] <equex> anyone have a tip for me? suddenly my dvdrom doesnt work properly, it sees all DVDs as blank. regular cdroms work though. the DVD rom is confirmed to work(wich i installed Ubuntu with) Konqueror says "Malformed URL" when i try to open it (/cdrom0) [02:32] <torz> mmm [02:32] <torz> I had a similar problem with cdrom. [02:32] <Aapzak> torz: I like the package manager, I'm just not used to repos that don't work [02:33] <torz> Aapzak: yeah but as far as Java goes its uber simple installation. [02:33] <Aapzak> allright, maybe true indeed [02:33] <torz> If you dont like binaries then you can get a rpm from there, you can convert it to .deb with alien iirc. [02:34] <Aapzak> apt says Hit, Get or Ign. I suspect that Ign is a update failure [02:34] <Aapzak> no [02:34] <Aapzak> ign might mean that my package list is up to date, no need to get another one, ignore. [02:39] <jeh_work> how old is the current kubuntu, btw? [02:39] <torz> 5.04 I think. [02:40] <Aapzak> current Kubuntu is pretty new [02:41] <torz> Linux titan 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic #1 Tue Apr 5 12:21:57 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux <= installed this just couple of hours ago. [02:56] <jeh_work> torz: a version number doesn't really say how new it is :) [02:56] <kalenedrael> torz, what's the problem? [02:56] <Aapzak> jeh_work: for which application do you want to know how old it is? [02:57] <kalenedrael> oh, never mind [02:57] <Aapzak> kalenedrael: he's showing how old kubuntu is [02:57] <jeh_work> Aapzak: nah, just generally [02:57] <Aapzak> k, it has kde 3.4 [02:57] <jeh_work> Aapzak: a bit like the last stable debian was about 20 years old [02:57] <torz> the problem is apt wont get me w32cocecs [02:57] <kalenedrael> 2.6.10 is kinda old for a kernel [02:57] <torz> no but you can relate to the kernel [02:57] <torz> exactly [02:57] <torz> 5.04 means nothing but kernel 2.6.10 means something. [02:58] <Aapzak> it does [02:58] <kalenedrael> yes [02:58] <mart> torz: you probably haven't got your apt sources set up right [02:58] <jeh_work> 2.6.10 and kde 3.4.2 is new enough, i can update software from extra repos if needed [02:58] <kalenedrael> yes [02:58] <Aapzak> jeh_work: it's not 3.4.2 [02:58] <kalenedrael> i like to compile my own kernel anyway, though [02:58] <jeh_work> Aapzak: no, but i read /topic [02:58] <torz> mart: nah copied and pasted ubuntuguide.org so should be fine I think [02:58] <Aapzak> ok, thats a livecd [02:58] <_kay> Breezy or using Hoary? [02:59] <Aapzak> who is breezy? [02:59] <Aapzak> unstable? [02:59] <Aapzak> testing? [02:59] <jeh_work> Aapzak: hm? "You can download Kubuntu packages...." [02:59] <_kay> Sort of, development version [02:59] <mart> kubuntu doesn't have stable/testing/unstable [02:59] <kalenedrael> oh, i found that ndiswrapper didn't work with the provided kernel [02:59] <_kay> Kubuntu has Debian [02:59] <mart> hoary is released, breezy will be next [02:59] <kalenedrael> in kubuntu [03:00] <kalenedrael> had to compile my own kernel to use it... [03:00] <mart> _kay: that's not quite accurate [03:00] <_kay> What is not, mart? [03:00] <kalenedrael> modprobe ndiswrapper generated a lot of kernel crap [03:00] <mart> [13:59] <_kay> Kubuntu has Debian [03:00] <kalenedrael> kubuntu has apt [03:00] <kalenedrael> apt != debian [03:01] <Aapzak> can you use breezy? or is it highly unrecommended? [03:01] <_kay> Well, Ubuntu is still based on Debian [03:01] <mart> yes, that's true [03:01] <Aapzak> I want kde 3.4.1+ [03:01] <_kay> In that, there is testing and unstable [03:01] <mart> no [03:01] <_kay> no? [03:01] <mart> I don't think there are as many stages [03:02] <hettar> can you get the latest ALSA for the current ubuntu ? [03:02] <_kay> There are even experimental, unstable, testing, stable and oldstable [03:03] <_kay> That is nothing that Ubuntu needs to do, what it does is making more frequent stabilization processes [03:03] <torz> damn w32codecs doesnt work under x86_64... although as expected. [03:03] <mart> _kay: where are the experimental, testing and oldstable versions of ubuntu packages [03:03] <_kay> That is what I said, that is Debian [03:04] <mart> yes, debian has those. I thought you were trying to say ubuntu also did [03:04] <_kay> In Ubuntu no such thing exists. [03:04] <Aapzak> guys, you recommend Blackdown java or Sun? [03:04] <_kay> It takes advantage of them [03:04] <mart> _kay: ok, we're agreed then [03:04] <Aapzak> or IBM java? [03:04] <mart> Aapzak: blackdown is based on suns code [03:04] <Aapzak> but open source? [03:04] <mart> no [03:04] <_kay> jamwm does run what i need, which is not much [03:05] <_kay> But it is a free one with GNU classpath I think [03:05] <mart> Aapzak: at least, as open source as suns jdk is [03:05] <_kay> Which is not entirely much [03:05] <Aapzak> nope [03:05] <Aapzak> not goof [03:05] <_kay> by standards of OSI at least [03:05] <Aapzak> good [03:05] <_kay> What do you do with Java? [03:06] <Aapzak> just use the jdk for apps [03:06] <_kay> use? you mean run? [03:06] <Aapzak> running apps like HattrickOrganizer [03:07] <_kay> Swing GUI ? [03:07] <Aapzak> I mainly run hattrick organizer [03:07] <_kay> For all I know, if they use Swing, the free implementations are not yet complete at all [03:08] <Aapzak> in extras [03:08] <Aapzak> is Sun JDK [03:08] <Aapzak> lemme do that [03:08] <_kay> That one will likely work [03:08] <_kay> now, later others will also work, a lot of people work on Free Software Java stuff [03:09] <_kay> Thing Apache with Harmony, then there is Kaffee and Jamvm and GNU classpath and gcc has something with that too [03:09] <torz> AWT sucks, Swing sucks, but SWT rocks. [03:10] <_kay> Try to do apt-get install java-virtual-machine [03:10] <_kay> Then you see what you apt sources have available for you [03:10] <mart> torz: what's good about swt? [03:10] <mpmc> is there a mixer for kde like esd for gnome? [03:11] <mart> torz: I heard it needed manual memory management and such nonsense [03:11] <mart> mpmc: kmix [03:11] <torz> mart: makes the program platform dependent but in return gives you near-native GUI speed. [03:12] <torz> mmm brb [03:13] <jpatrick> I can't install icon theme :-/ [03:13] <jpatrick> themes* [03:15] <_kay> People should use QT with Java [03:15] <_kay> :p [03:18] <mart> or even Qt, none of this QuickTime stuff :P [03:29] <mpmc> God damm fonts are too small Help! [03:44] <_neil> hi [03:44] <_neil> any possibility to have the flash plugin under a kubuntu-powerpc ? [03:47] <nikkia> _neil: i believe you need to take that up with macromedia, as the only flash plugin for linux is for x86 [03:47] <mart> one of the free ones might work, I guess [03:47] <mart> but I don't use them, so can't help much there [03:48] <_neil> under debian i used a free one [03:48] <_neil> but cant remember and new to kubuntu [03:49] <nikkia> _neil, check if there is a 'swf-player' listed in the packages [03:49] <tech> happy sysadmin day [03:50] <ToyMan> hi all [03:51] <ToyMan> just got kubuntu running on my lapper... very nice [03:51] <ToyMan> I'm usually working in freebsd, but that wouldn't boot on this hp... [03:51] <ToyMan> my congrats to any who do install work on this channel, very slick, very well thought out [03:51] <nikkia> swfdec certainly seems to have a ppc package, but i can't tell if it includes a plugin or not [03:52] <nikkia> swf-player claims to include a plugin, but i can't find the packages anywhere in the pool directory, which is strange [03:52] <ToyMan> I may even get my wife to use this ;-) [03:53] <nikkia> ah, swf-player is provided by swfdec, so i imagine installing that should be possible on ppc, and should provide you a flash plugin [03:54] <_neil> nikkia: thanks :) [03:54] <nikkia> _neil, i'd still complain at macromedia tho :) [03:54] <_neil> ;) [03:55] <nikkia> it won't do any good, but still, it'd be one more linux ppc user expressing their dissatisfaction of their pathetic policies [03:55] <_kay> ToyMan: The next release will be even better for laptops [03:56] <mart> heh, if mac are moving to intel, I'd be surprised to ever see a ppc version from them [03:56] <tech> i have a complaint, i installed apache in my kubuntu.. and it comes with a debian logo :(:( [03:57] <_kay> what is your problem with that, tech? [03:57] <tech> i tried to make a joke =p [03:58] <ToyMan> kay, excellent. [03:59] <_kay> Actually, the installer is the new Debian installer, ToyMan, with some tunings... that I like as well :) [03:59] <ToyMan> well, it was about as painless as it gets... [03:59] <ToyMan> no wifi yet though [04:00] <_kay> what chipset? [04:00] <ToyMan> heh, the main thing i had to do for the install was drink coffee ;-) [04:01] <ToyMan> um.... lessee... it's a broadcom i think... what's the linooks command for getting hw info? [04:01] <ToyMan> i'm used to freebsd [04:01] <_kay> lspci [04:01] <ToyMan> thanks [04:01] <_kay> I used NetBSD in 95 or so.... [04:01] <ToyMan> 0000:02:03.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) [04:02] <mart> that's not wireless [04:02] <ToyMan> yeah, just realized that [04:02] <ToyMan> 0000:02:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03) [04:02] <ToyMan> there we go [04:03] <_kay> Don't know about those [04:03] <nikkia> broadcom are notoriously bad for getting to work on linux :/ [04:03] <_kay> ndiswrapper? [04:03] <nikkia> _kay, that'd be my guess [04:03] <ToyMan> _kay: thanks, i'll look into it [04:04] <_kay> I bought my laptop with Linux pre-installed [04:04] <ToyMan> hmm. does kubuntu use sudo only? [04:04] <_kay> That helped somewhat in knowing the drivers exist and work :p [04:04] <nikkia> i just use 802.11b cards that are ages old but supported well :) [04:04] <nikkia> ToyMan: yes [04:04] <ToyMan> just realized that I was never asked for a root password... [04:04] <ToyMan> ah, ok [04:05] <jjesse> yuu won't be asked for a root password ;) [04:05] <_kay> you cannot login as root [04:05] <apokryphos> !rootsudo [04:05] <ubotu> rumour has it, rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [04:06] <_kay> normally, though you can enable that [04:06] <_kay> sudo -i will give you a root session though [04:09] <nikkia> afternoon mez [04:10] <Kmorph> hi people! :) [04:14] <Mez> afyternoon [04:15] <`Nomad> I usually just do a " sudo su - " [04:18] <`Nomad> I just installed Kubuntu for the first time. Are there any major problems I should know about? Is it a really new distro? [04:19] <`Nomad> mplayer doesn't seem to want to be on it, and many of the other choices, such as totem, won't play either [04:19] <apokryphos> `Nomad: pretty new, but no major problems. [04:19] <vegiVamp> I seem to be missing a few essentials such as ncftp and mc :-( [04:19] <apokryphos> `Nomad: you need extra packages to play restricted formats [04:20] <vegiVamp> apart from that, pretty nice distro :-) [04:20] <`Nomad> Apok: I just installed realplayer and the rp9 codecs, so that works fine for web streams [04:20] <`Nomad> Looks very nice, [04:20] <`Nomad> I got fed up with mandrake, it always got busted for some reason. Maybe I have failing hardware [04:20] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell `Nomad about restrictedformats [04:20] <Firetech> !ubotu [04:20] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubotu is uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! [04:24] <insanekane> ubotu: tell insanekane about restrictedformats [04:27] <supernix> Hey use guys wassup [04:27] <supernix> Anyone know of a good password keeper that can generate secure passwords ? [04:27] <jjesse> kdewallet [04:28] <supernix> ty [04:28] <`Nomad> apok: I added the repository and updated apt-get, works fine, but I tried all "apt-get install mplayer" I coudl and it never finds it [04:29] <`Nomad> tryinf kynaptic [04:30] <supernix> k it seems that kwallet will only allow you to store information and not really generate passwords [04:31] <sorush20> guys... I'm trying to install KDAR.. but I keep getting these messages... can someone help... [04:31] <sorush20> I've posted the error in the flood [04:45] <sorush20> anyone here using KDAR [04:47] <sorush20> could someone help me with an installation error.... [04:52] <tech> anyone expiriencing kubuntu locking up with KDE? [04:55] <jjesse> nope tech using it on my laptop and at home [04:58] <vegiVamp> tech: dell D610 laptop ? [04:58] <tech> vegiVamp, no [04:58] <tech> it is not a laptop [04:59] <vegiVamp> there's a locking issue with those laptops that's resolved by installing kernel 2.6.13-xxx, maybe it works for your machine as well [04:59] <vegiVamp> look for the Dell D610 issues in the ubuntu wiki [04:59] <saku_0> hi all [05:00] <tech> well, i had this similar problem in my other distro with 2.4.29 kernel, it seems Xorg locks up and takes 100% cpu when running KDE [05:00] <tech> i installed xfce on my kubuntu yesterday, ill see if it is stable [05:00] <tech> i wonder why kde causes a crash on my machine.. [05:01] <saku_0> could you help me ? i can not dowload an file on web page because my access is denied [05:01] <vegiVamp> if you've got the same issue with a different distro and kernel, perhaps it's hardware ? [05:01] <saku_0> how to resolve this pb ? [05:01] <saku_0> ty [05:01] <tech> vegiVamp, switching windowmanager seems to work [05:02] <vegiVamp> saku_0: more info, please :-) [05:02] <vegiVamp> tech: hmm... strange [05:02] <saku_0> vegiVamp> ok [05:03] <saku_0> well i try to download an package on debian web site [05:03] <saku_0> and i have an error message which said that my access is denied [05:04] <tech> anyone here use KDE and a Nvidia 6600 AGP card? [05:04] <saku_0> and message said also that i can't write [05:07] <nikkia> tech, yes [05:08] <tech> nikkia, do you use the nvidia-glx driver ubuntu package, and got "Driver nvidia" in your xorg.conf? [05:09] <nikkia> no, i manually installed the drivers [05:10] <tech> nikkia, i see.. when i did that, i saw "removing nvidia TLS drivers" at each start up, so each time i rebooted i had to reintall the driver to work [05:14] <ToyMan> damn, kynaptic is nice [05:15] <`Nomad> Once installed, are there many more repositories that should b eadded to the default config? [05:15] <`Nomad> I've been hearing about how nice Ubuntu is for so long, I want to set it up properly and keep it for a long time :) [05:17] <sproingie> is there a way to theme gtk without installing gnome? [05:19] <ToyMan> `Nomad: I just activated 'universe' by uncommenting and added 'multiverse' by copying/editing the universe line in /etc/apt/sources.list [05:25] <`Nomad> Thanks.. I just saw the FAQ line above and am following the guidelines from there :) [05:39] <Aapzak> guys, do you know a mirror for ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net? I can't use thatone [05:40] <wincide> ito [05:41] <Aapzak> ito? [05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> what's wrong with it? [05:45] <Aapzak> I can't reach it [05:46] <tech> ftp://ftp.uio.no/linux/ubuntu/ [05:49] <StR> Hi all! [05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi [05:56] <samuelk> can someone help me installing a boot splash [05:56] <Aapzak> finally ... [05:57] <aseigo> finally, yes, i'm here ;) [05:57] <StR> samuelk: boot splash? [05:58] <samuelk> i know how to do now.. [05:58] <StR> samuelk: ok... [06:01] <Aapzak> lol @ aseigo [06:05] <|rockinnerd|> how does one make artsd start @ system startup? [06:11] <jwir3> hey everyone. I installed kubuntu, but when I go to change the KDE Menu (i.e. the button in the lower left corner that pops up the list of progams when I click on it), it allows me to change stuff, but they don't take effect on the main menu. Basically, it just disregards my changes. Is there some setting I am missing? [06:16] <jwir3> Has anyone else had this problem? [06:16] <`Nomad> jwir3: New install here and it works for me :( [06:17] <jwir3> hmm... for some reason, it worked for a little while (I could add/remove stuff from the menu initially) but now I can't seem to do it. [06:17] <`Nomad> Is it a good thing to get the NVIDIA drivers and install them [06:51] <fromoze> !copy [06:51] <ubotu> fromoze: Bugger all, i dunno [06:51] <fromoze> !pastebin [06:51] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood [06:52] <evgind> hi [06:56] <`Nomad> I love Kubuntu, I'm almost back to having my system totally as before :) [06:57] <`Nomad> in looks at least :) [06:57] <`Nomad> I use ksmoothdock, can anyone tell me if I have to hav ethe kicker as well or is it possible to not have it? [06:58] <`Nomad> Hey Duende, fellow Aliant user [07:09] <tech> is there any cool games you can recommend me to apt-get? :) [07:10] <`Nomad> tech: I'm old fashioned, I love Maelstrom [07:10] <`Nomad> Asteroid like game [07:11] <`Nomad> and njam.sourceforge.net (Pacman like) [07:11] <tech> im gonnae try it now [07:11] <`Nomad> tech: I forget if I got it with apt-get or downloaded it [07:12] <tech> `Nomad, cooool! i remember a game like this that i used to play some time ago, i bought it on a cd for windows :P [07:12] <tech> maelstrom that is [07:13] <`Nomad> it's a capital M though, if you run into trouble trying to get/run it ;) [07:14] <tech> how can i see a list over existing games in apt? [07:14] <`Nomad> dunno, try going through Kynaptic, under system in the menu [07:14] <`Nomad> look up game [07:14] <tech> how? [07:14] <tech> oh [07:14] <tech> i will [07:21] <_radu> how can i install open office beta ? [07:21] <_radu> apt-get doesn't give me a clue [07:21] <_radu> didn't [07:24] <tech> bomberclone was fun [07:24] <tech> games i install with apt always run in this small window.. wonder how i get them in fullscreen. [07:33] <supernix> Hi what is good for generating and keeping passwords ? [07:34] <jpatrick> othernoob! [07:35] <jpatrick> anyone know how I can create a folder via the command line? [07:36] <gdh> jpatrick: 'mkdir' [07:36] <jpatrick> ok [07:37] <jpatrick> great [07:37] <jpatrick> now it says: 'device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Is a directory)' [07:38] <gdh> ah, I guess your sound card doesn't work, then? [07:39] <jpatrick> no it doesn't [07:39] <gdh> you can't just 'mkdir /dev/dsp' if it didn't exist - it means that the driver for your sound card wasn't loaded... [07:39] <jpatrick> so I made /dev/dsp :-/ [07:39] <gdh> I'm afraid I know nothing about the different drivers... [07:39] <jpatrick> where can I find the driver? [07:39] <othernoob> jpatrick! [07:39] <gdh> nah, /dev/dsp is a 'special' file... [07:40] <jpatrick> :-o [07:40] <PrimoTurbo> Hey guys for some reason my cd player isn't working [07:40] <PrimoTurbo> any help? [07:41] <jpatrick> is your sound working? [07:41] <PrimoTurbo> yeah just the cd player program [07:41] <PrimoTurbo> I can play ogg files fine [07:41] <PrimoTurbo> I can rip the cd fine [07:41] <PrimoTurbo> but when I try to play it under different progs it doesn't work [07:41] <gdh> jpatrick: Yeh, but I have an ancient SB AWE64 ISA :) [07:42] <gdh> 2 channels is fine for me - I onlyhave 2 ears :) [07:42] <othernoob> gdh: you freak :p [07:42] <gdh> :) [07:43] <mart> or is that "doesn't want to know"... [07:43] <jpatrick> right... [07:44] <jpatrick> damn this sound card :-/ [07:47] <andreasdk> Good evening [07:48] <supernix> Hi what is good for generating and keeping passwords ? [07:48] <andreasdk> Can someone please help me with my USB pendrive? I`m having some problems after having bought a new laptop and installed Kubuntu [07:49] <jpatrick> supernix: try: sudo apt-get install fpm [07:49] <jpatrick> ...or apt-cache search passwords [07:49] <supernix> ty jpatrick [07:50] <jpatrick> apt-cache show mypasswordsafe [07:53] <supernix> I have that mypasswordsafe thing installed I think [07:53] <supernix> at least I did find it in the apt-cache output [07:53] <andreasdk> Then run it. [07:55] <andreasdk> Aren`t there anyone here that can help me wilt my pendrive? It`s really killing me! [07:55] <supernix> hmmm I just typed in mypasswordsafe but it said command not found [07:55] <jpatrick> make a new menu entry [07:55] <andreasdk> That`s because you haven`t installed it [07:55] <jpatrick> with command: mypasswordsafe [07:56] <andreasdk> wilt = with [07:58] <jpatrick> andreasdk: you have a flash drive? [08:00] <andreasdk> wilt = with: yes [08:00] <andreasdk> jpatrick: yes [08:00] <jpatrick> what type? [08:01] <andreasdk> What type... Little thingie type [08:01] <jpatrick> company :P [08:01] <jpatrick> mine works out of the box [08:06] <jpatrick> supernix: the command from mypasswordsafe is '/usr/bin/MyPasswordSafe' [08:16] <PrimoTurbo> How can I uninstall Kubuntu and all the files it installed? [08:17] <PrimoTurbo> I'm having some issues with it and I would rather use gnome but I don't want it to waste my space as I have little of it left [08:17] <PrimoTurbo> I used this to install it http://www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php [08:17] <jpatrick> Just install ubuntu-desktop [08:18] <jpatrick> you'll have GNOME and KDE [08:18] <PrimoTurbo> I don't need KDE [08:18] <PrimoTurbo> I have it installed already [08:19] <jpatrick> then do: sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop [08:19] <PrimoTurbo> will it remove all the stuff that it has added including the shortcuts in gnomes menu? [08:19] <jpatrick> no [08:19] <jpatrick> I think [08:19] <PrimoTurbo> I need to remove that myself then? [08:19] <jpatrick> brb [08:20] <nikkia> gah!!! [08:20] <jpatrick> ? [08:20] <nikkia> udev == evil [08:21] <jpatrick> o_O [08:21] <nikkia> jpatrick, the reason i was having problems.... [08:21] <jpatrick> oh [08:21] <jpatrick> food...... [08:21] <nikkia> is because udev processes rules backwards :( [08:21] <McScruff> how do you run java apps :S [08:22] <nikkia> i had written my rules in 99-symlinks, assuming, it would get executed after 50-udev.rules, but no, udev gives up parsing through the list once it gets a match :( [08:22] <PrimoTurbo> does kde require a better computer to run? [08:22] <PrimoTurbo> it's a little bit slower then gnome correct? [08:23] <nikkia> PrimoTurbo: depends entirely on how you configre gnome and kde :) [08:23] <PrimoTurbo> jpatrick I did what your told me to uninstall it [08:24] <PrimoTurbo> not that I notice any difference, just my cd player doesn't work in kde and I can't fix it [08:24] <PrimoTurbo> so back to gnome for now [08:24] <McScruff> How Do you run .jar files [08:24] <PrimoTurbo> knoqueror is still here [08:24] <PrimoTurbo> damn [08:24] <PrimoTurbo> how do I uninstall all of these apps for kde [08:26] <PrimoTurbo> bah I think I should just format and do it all from the start :o [08:26] <mart> PrimoTurbo: did you install kubuntu-desktop with aptitude? [08:27] <PrimoTurbo> I used console [08:27] <PrimoTurbo> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [08:27] <PrimoTurbo> using this guide http://www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php [08:27] <PrimoTurbo> I'm a noob :( [08:28] <PrimoTurbo> then I did sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop [08:28] <PrimoTurbo> it removed 32 mb it siad [08:28] <PrimoTurbo> said* [08:28] <PrimoTurbo> but I still have kde stuff that I don't need [08:28] <PrimoTurbo> programs and such [08:28] <mart> PrimoTurbo: ah, aptitude remembers what you've installed manually, and what got installed automatically, but I guess that's a bit late for you [08:28] <PrimoTurbo> I need to remove them all [08:29] <PrimoTurbo> how do I run this aptit* [08:29] <mart> PrimoTurbo: you mean kscd didn't work for you? [08:29] <gdh> PrimoTurbo: apt-get remove kdelibs4 should pull the carpet from under everything KDE ... [08:29] <PrimoTurbo> yeah it didn't work [08:29] <PrimoTurbo> and cd player didn't work under kde [08:29] <jackson> look, im sorry to go this low. but i need help with irc, can anyone tell me a channel. dudes, take pity. total n00b [08:29] <PrimoTurbo> and totem cd player didn't work under kde but works under gnome [08:30] <PrimoTurbo> i wish I could help but I know so little :( [08:30] <mart> PrimoTurbo: did you try the kde cd player? [08:30] <qbit> kscd will only work if you have the analog audio cable plugged up and it can find/see the correct device [08:30] <PrimoTurbo> yes I did, didnt work [08:30] <PrimoTurbo> it showed it was playing but there was no sound [08:30] <PrimoTurbo> however ogg and system sounds worked fine [08:30] <qbit> xmms will do digital audio through the ide interface [08:31] <PrimoTurbo> how come cd player didn't work then? [08:31] <PrimoTurbo> and it works under gnome fine? [08:31] <qbit> it works here :-) [08:32] <supernix> hi wassup with the hoary 3.4.2 [08:32] <PrimoTurbo> I dunno why it didn't work [08:32] <qbit> but also maybe the audio channel was turned down/disabled in the mixer [08:32] <supernix> Do we have to do anything to our source.list to get it and such ? [08:32] <PrimoTurbo> so kdelibs4 should remove all kde stuff? [08:32] <PrimoTurbo> gdh [08:32] <PrimoTurbo> or will I still stuff all around my system cause I really dont need that [08:32] <jpatrick> supernix: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php [08:33] <PrimoTurbo> looks like it's removing 230+mb of stuff, good maybe I don't have to reformat [08:37] <supernix> ok I added those to the source.list now what is the best way to update ? [08:38] <jpatrick> sudo apt-get upgrade [08:38] <jpatrick> after you've done apt-get update [08:38] <supernix> ty very much for your help jpatrick [08:38] <StR> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [08:39] <jpatrick> dist-upgrade? [08:39] <jpatrick> upgrade worked for me [08:39] <supernix> what does dist-upgrade do ? [08:39] <mart> dist-upgrade may manage to upgrade more [08:39] <mart> but may also remove stuff too [08:39] <supernix> ah kewl [08:39] <supernix> ah bad [08:39] <pakos> yes. a normal upgrade never installs or removes additional packages [08:39] <supernix> what do you mean may remove stuff ? [08:40] <pakos> dist-upgrade is smarter [08:40] <mart> you have to read what it's going to do [08:40] <jpatrick> okay [08:40] <StR> no, it is better, because it will uninstall the stuff you don't need anymore [08:40] <supernix> oic [08:40] <mart> StR: not quite [08:40] <pakos> and i personally prefer aptitude instead of apt-get [08:41] <mart> pakos: I agree [08:41] <mart> apttiude uninstalls unused stuff properly [08:45] <StR> is KoolDock in the repos.? [08:46] <jpatrick> no [08:46] <jpatrick> there's a .deb package somewhere [08:49] <jpatrick> http://ktown.kde.cl/kooldock/download.php [08:49] <jpatrick> Debian: kooldock_0.3-1_i386.deb [08:52] <supernix> I get confused about aptitude I don't know how to use it and have not seen any docs on it [08:52] <supernix> it looks like it operates much like synaptic [08:52] <supernix> Actually synaptic is what I usually use [08:52] <pakos> the simple way: [08:52] <pakos> use it like apt-get. [08:53] <pakos> also : sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude dist-upgrade [08:53] <pakos> and sudo aptitude install <packagename> [08:53] <pakos> that's all. [08:53] <mart> or sudo aptitude to get the text-mode UI, and press F10 and pick the help menu [08:54] <supernix> I thought that aptitude was all text mode [08:54] <mart> supernix: either use the command line, or the text mode UI [08:54] <supernix> oic [08:54] <pakos> it has a ncurses gui [09:10] <_JakubS> why the hell lan browsing in cups is disabled by default? [09:11] <supernix> hey [09:11] <supernix> do you have to do a logout and back in after the upgrade ? [09:11] <supernix> Should I do ctrl+backspace ? [09:13] <insanekane> _JakubS: someone had a lot to say about that ... [09:13] <insanekane> _JakubS: the recently deceased Interaction designer, i think [09:15] <_JakubS> what is worse, it has been disabled in a way that confuses kcontrol module (by including external config file) [09:16] <insanekane> _JakubS: i guess 1600 odd maintainers arent enough :/ [09:17] <mart> wonder where that figure came from? [09:17] <insanekane> mart: someone was talking abt it the other dat [09:17] <insanekane> day [09:20] <mart> insanekane: the figure is slightly different to the number of people in #kubuntu-devel though :) [09:24] <insanekane> mart: i think 1600 maintainers in Ubuntu ecology :) [09:24] <insanekane> mart: but not all of them work toward Kubuntu, and certainly not all of them are ardent IRCers like yourself :) [09:25] <mart> insanekane: heh, I meant it's very easy to be a 'maintainer' but quite inactive [09:25] <mart> (in many OSS projects, not just Ubuntu) [09:26] <insanekane> mart: oh :/ ... i thought it was a difficult job ... hmm. i was actually proud of Ubuntu having 1600 maintainters :/ [09:26] <JadeFire> how do i upgrade to 3.4.2? What packages? [09:26] <mart> JadeFire: see topic [09:26] <JadeFire> k [09:28] <JadeFire> I'm going to try to upgrade see ya later [09:31] <pakos> just upgraded. sadly the new kdevelop comes without kio_svn too [09:31] <pakos> let's see how to fill a bugreport :) [09:35] <supernix> does the latest version of hoary work with flatpanel displays from sony viao ? [09:39] <supernix> where are the run levels stored ? [09:39] <mart> /etc/rc?.d [09:40] <supernix> Yeah I was trying to use ksysv [09:40] <mart> works fine here [09:42] <supernix> well I messed up and selected other when I started it now it can't find the rc files [09:42] <supernix> or something like that [09:42] <supernix> I should have picked Debian for distro [09:42] <mart> hmm, try removing the config file [09:43] <supernix> where can I find that ? [09:43] <mart> find ~/.kde -name ksysv* [09:48] <PieD> Hi [09:48] <PieD> Does somebody know where I can find packages of KOffice 1.4.1 for kubuntu on an amd64 ? [09:51] <mart> PieD: they seem to be in universe [09:51] <mart> PieD: no, I'm lying [09:52] <mart> PieD: I don't see them for amd64 [09:52] <PieD> mart: I don't see them too :/ [09:52] <PieD> that's why I'm asking here [09:53] <PieD> (I don't work to disturb uselessly) [09:53] <PieD> s/work/want [09:53] <mart> PieD: I can only suggest adding the url in the topic as a deb src and building them yourself [09:54] <mart> s/deb src/deb-src/ [09:54] <PieD> ok [09:54] <PieD> on an AMD64, this may be fast :) [09:55] <supernix> any idea when they will upgrade the OO2 packages ? [09:55] <PieD> in kubuntu hoary ? [09:55] <PieD> I suppose never ! [09:55] <pakos> on 2006.04 :-) [10:03] <ztonzy> hmm [10:03] <jpatrick> hmm... [10:03] <ztonzy> hmmm, I tried the new live cd iso...havent been working for me [10:04] <mart> hmmm. [10:05] <ztonzy> even reburned the cd-rw 2 times at lower speeds...first at 6 ...then at 4 [10:05] <pakos> have you checked the md5sums? [10:06] <ztonzy> pakos: used K3b and it looked fine [10:07] <JadeFire2> hi [10:07] <pakos> so you compared the one generated from k3b against the one on the website? [10:08] <ztonzy> eh no [10:08] <ztonzy> I just loaded the iso...and ht got a green sign [10:08] <ztonzy> it* [10:09] <JadeFire> Hi all i just upgraded to kde 3.4.2 [10:09] <pakos> mhm. i don't know if k3b can actually verify the sums, but i suppose not. it is only generating the sum, and you should check it against the stored version [10:09] <ztonzy> pakos: okej [10:09] <pakos> ztonzy: maybe that is the problem. i'll give it a try [10:10] <ztonzy> paines: sure [10:10] <mart> or copy the cd back onto your disk, and take the md5sum from that [10:10] <ztonzy> dunno if I will do it tonight...a bit tired...been up since 04.30 (it is 22.10 now) [10:10] <pakos> tough day, eh? [10:11] <ztonzy> indeed [10:11] <ztonzy> lucky it is weekend :D [10:11] <ztonzy> hmm...I still got Gnome on system...and kde 3.4.2 feels *really* speedy! wondering to remove entire gnome now [10:12] <pakos> :) yeah.. but in the firm i have air conditioning.. at home none, and it's 35C now.. frying [10:12] <ztonzy> wow [10:12] <ztonzy> pakos: that's hot [10:13] <pakos> ztonzy: yes, i had a normal ubuntu before kubuntu too.. it's nice, but i prefer kde :) [10:13] <ztonzy> it came some rain here today...and weekend it will be some more [10:14] <ztonzy> pakos: since I installed linux , after been in XP for 2 months , I installed Kubuntu first, and found some segfaults here and there...installed Gnome...and back and forth, but now latest update of kde feels really nice [10:14] <pakos> send with dcc some here, pls :) [10:14] <ztonzy> pakos: hehe [10:15] <PieD> another question about kubuntu on an amd64 : [10:15] <ztonzy> pakos: I had some issues with former mainboard...more issues in linux than windows, but in the end it happened in windows too...so I got a new mobo..and installed Kubuntu [10:15] <pakos> hmm, the icon for the system:/ io-slave looks nice in 3.4.2 :) [10:15] <PieD> can I download the OOo 2m118 rpms, use alien on them and then install them without any problem ? [10:16] <ztonzy> pakos: I installed another icon theme after 3.4.2 [10:16] <mart> PieD: I don't know about "without any problem" but in theory... [10:16] <pakos> ztonzy: hardware issues are bad :-( [10:17] <hon> I have a problem with accessing other unix machines. I think my x server settings don't allow the remote ones to open display on my local machine (is this called tunneling?). I just don't know which settings to touch [10:17] <pakos> PieD: i'll stick with the tgz binary distribution [10:17] <ztonzy> pakos: yepp...the store said they didnt find any errors, probably using windows to test it with...and then 1 year warranty passed... [10:17] <PieD> pakos: where do you download them ? [10:17] <mart> hon: ssh -X ? [10:17] <pakos> simply uninstall the debs, and install the binary [10:17] <PieD> ftp://ftp.belnet.be/pub/mirror/ftp.openoffice.org/developer/680_m118 => no tgz ? [10:17] <ztonzy> pakos: it was a nforce2 ultra (Shuttle) mobo...this is Asus VIA KT600 :) [10:18] <supernix> why wouldn't they update the OO2 packages [10:18] <pakos> PieD: ups, you have right.. sorry then, try the rpms. good luck :) [10:18] <supernix> actually I got them from the repository from the first place [10:18] <supernix> I just want to finally be able to use the OpenDocument format [10:18] <PieD> and what about flash player using an amd64 ? [10:19] <mart> did we have this conversation earlier? [10:19] <mart> (no, sorry that was flash for ppc) [10:20] <pakos> ztonzy: hmm, sorry, i'm a bit out-of-sync with the hardware brands in the last times :) [10:20] <hon> mart: thanks [10:20] <ztonzy> pakos: np, I am not enjoying nvidia chipsets as via...read on net that some had lots of issues using linux [10:22] <pakos> ztonzy: thanks for the info, it could be useful later, maybe going to upgrade my hardware [10:22] <ztonzy> pakos: and also...all Asus h/w I have had...has been quite stable [10:24] <ztonzy> hmm [10:24] <ztonzy> does controlpanel(settings) now only have icons in One window, and not in a menu context ? [10:24] <ztonzy> before in kde 3.4.1 it didnt look like this [10:24] <pakos> and what about nvidia as videocard? i've got always ati cards, but the lack of the motivation from ati to give better support for their cards pushes me towards nvidia.. [10:26] <pakos> hmm, after the upgrade, my control center startmenu-entry is gone [10:26] <pakos> ztonzy: maybe view / mode / tree view? [10:26] <pakos> if that's what you mean [10:26] <ztonzy> hmm [10:27] <ztonzy> the information window misses [10:27] <pakos> information window? [10:27] <ztonzy> yah [10:28] <ztonzy> tree view to left....all info/settings to the right [10:28] <ztonzy> wasn't like this before [10:28] <pakos> i have it [10:28] <pakos> so you have only the tree view, but nothing else? [10:29] <pakos> and what happens if you click on one of the entries? [10:29] <ztonzy> correct [10:29] <pax> pakos: I can confirm the bug, kcontrol disapered from kmenu for me too (after the upgrade). you can always put it back via kmenuedit [10:29] <ztonzy> pakos: just unfolds submenu [10:30] <pakos> pax: ok, thanks, good to hear that i'm not simply blind :) [10:30] <ztonzy> pax: not only from kmenu...but I mean when it's opened [10:31] <pax> ztonzy: are you saying you can't open kcontrol after the upgrade? [10:31] <pakos> pax: he can open it, but only the left treeview is visible [10:31] <Talldave2002> hello all [10:32] <pakos> the settings on the right disappeared. strange. it works for me(tm) [10:32] <ztonzy> pax: yes...but before upgrade, the treeview with icons to the left was and settings/panels to the right...now...only big icons to click [10:33] <Talldave2002> 1st time here, new to linux just upgeaded to Kubuntu [10:33] <pakos> ztonzy: the output of 'kcmshell --list' is ok? [10:33] <pakos> Talldave2002: congratulations :) [10:33] <Talldave2002> thanks [10:33] <Talldave2002> i am enjoying learning [10:34] <ztonzy> pakos: what to look for ? [10:34] <Firetech> weren't there qt 4 deb's for kubuntu somewhere? [10:34] <gdh> Firetech: yes :) [10:34] <pakos> simply general: are there entries? these are the plugins which are loaded, when you click on one of the entries [10:35] <Talldave2002> prevoiusly stuck with Windows, tried Linux a couple of years ago but couldnt connect to the net so kinda gave up [10:35] <ztonzy> pakos: oh...I pasted it into Konsole :) [10:35] <Firetech> gdh: where? [10:35] <gdh> Firetech: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/qt4/ [10:35] <Firetech> thank yo [10:35] <Firetech> *you [10:35] <pakos> ztonzy: :-) for example, 'kcmshell panel' opens the panel configuration window [10:35] <gdh> Firetech: was just grepping the logs :) [10:36] <ztonzy> pakos: it does [10:37] <pakos> ztonzy: hmm. then i would create a new user and check if for him looks kcontrol ok, or not [10:37] <ztonzy> pakos: could do yes [10:37] <Talldave2002> just having a little problem using Qemu is there anyone here who may be able to help? [10:38] <pakos> ztonzy: if it's ok, then purge your settings belonging to kcontrol under ~/.kde :) [10:39] <pakos> Talldave2002: Qemu? Sorry, don't use it [10:39] <ztonzy> purge ? [11:10] (pakos/#Kubuntu) so pdf (and openoffice) is ok here [11:13] <pakos> but when sending out review-documents, they'll be edited by our customers, sent back to us, re-edited, and again and again. we cannot use different _versions_ of word, so a very different simply cannot do the job :-( [11:13] <hon> question about themeing: I don't know about the way kde genretes the default theme for the first login. Is there any set of files that get copied to $HOME/.kde in first login? [11:15] <ToyMan> hmm. no skype in packages... [11:15] <lscd> Is there any way to download images for something other than your current architecture on cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/ ? [11:16] <pakos> ToyMan: you can download it from skype.com, works without any problems [11:16] <lscd> specifically, I'd like to download the x86 images, but it only gives me amd64 links [11:24] <_kay> re-hi [11:26] <Firetech> hmm the Qt4 packages from dev.kubuntu.org.uk, are they for hoary or breezy? [11:26] <_kay> you can always do apt-cache show ... on them [11:27] <persnickety> kde dev files are for download on kubuntu.org site yes? [11:27] <Firetech> they don't have any release name in their versions, and they don't want to install on hoary... [11:27] <Firetech> and they aren't in a repository.. [11:28] <Firetech> I'm talking about those -> http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/qt4/ [11:29] <_kay> Ah hm... I would say when Debian maintains it [11:29] <_kay> hm... probably it is for Debian unstable, and likely matches Breezy a lot better than Hoary [11:30] <_kay> But the dependencies are not many [11:30] <_kay> Which one do you say fails? [11:30] <ToyMan> pakos: cool, thanks [11:31] <Riddell> Firetech: breezy [11:31] <_kay> Firetech: I think they install fine on Breezy [11:31] <Firetech> Riddell: are there any Qt4 packages for hoary then? [11:33] <Riddell> Firetech: nope, but you sahould be able to recompile those ones [11:33] <Riddell> it's a long compile but [11:33] <Firetech> yehaa... [11:33] <Firetech> I don't really need it. I can wait until breezy [11:33] <_kay> Well, Breezy already works, somewhat [11:34] <gdh> hm, should it be right that my hoary+kde3.4.1+koffice1.4 try to remove all packages if I dist-upgrade to hoary? [11:34] <gdh> *sorry, remove all 'packages beginning with k' [11:36] <_kay> hm, no [11:36] <_kay> You probably should try to not dist-upgrade. but "upgrade" first [11:37] <_kay> then tackle one by one those parts that are making the problems [11:37] <_kay> I suspect, the C++ transition creates the removal [11:38] <_kay> You see, the gcc4 ABI does not match that of gcc3.3 and therefore packages conflict with each other [11:38] <_kay> The dist-upgrade should work when Breezy is done with that transition. [11:38] <_kay> Which it is ... maybe already Riddell? [11:40] <_kay> you may also try apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [11:41] <_kay> That one should resolve things you need and remove the older ABI packages only [11:41] <Firetech> how can I mount a partition with ISO 8859-1 charset (old data)? [11:41] <Riddell> I can't recommend any sort of upgrade just now [11:41] <gdh> _kay: I'm in no hurry - will just wait until it settles :) [11:41] <gdh> 669 upgraded, 165 newly installed, 192 to remove and 7 not upgraded. [11:42] <gdh> Yep I'll wait :) [11:42] <nyn> Hi. I'm a newcomer to kubuntu. I've seen that there there is a new kde, a "maintainance release" and was wondering it is worth installing. My main priority is stability. If this release fix previous bugs great, but is it likely to break something? I'm on Hoary and have no intention to move to the unstable branch... [11:46] <jpowers> nyn: my experience of 3.4.1 has been positive. I don't know what changes came in 3.4.2, though. [11:46] <jpowers> nyn: I do know that kuser actually works in 3.4.1, which is pretty important to me. [11:47] <insanekane> jpowers: LOL :) [11:47] <nyn> i'm only intererested if there is no risk of breakage whatsoever... the point is to make it more stable (it still crashes on me quite often), not the other way around... :) [11:49] <pakos> i've upgraded to 3.4.2 today, seems to be ok (at least konversation ;-) ). i think they fixed for example the kopete icq transport [11:49] <jpowers> oh [11:49] <jpowers> hmm [11:49] <ToyMan> pakos: once i've downloaded a deb package, how do I install? [11:49] <jpowers> I've been running kopete svn [11:50] <ToyMan> it's been too many years since i've used a debian distro [11:50] <nyn> dpkg -i <deb file> [11:50] <pakos> ToyMan: sudo dpkg -i <packagename> [11:50] <ToyMan> thanks [11:51] <ToyMan> damn that's nice and slick [11:52] <ToyMan> anyone here try win4linpro yet? [11:52] <nyn> i have a problem with charsets in kmail... i hoping that maybe that would be fixed (if it's not a configuration issue on my system) in this release... [11:53] <nyn> anyway, last time i used kde it was really hell, everything was so brittle, i'm kind of traumatized... i'm really tired of having to fix things. now that it all seems a bit more stable, i'll not take any risks. wait for breezy...

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:37.968844

2005-08-03-#kubuntu-devel

[12:02] <Tonio-> Hi there ;) [12:02] <Tonio-> Anyone here having the repo for kde 3.4.2 ? [12:03] <Riddell> Tonio-: see kubuntu.org [12:03] <Tonio-> Already public ? [12:03] <Tonio-> I thought it was still testing [12:04] <Tonio-> Ho yeah, officialy released by kde today ! nice ;) Thanks a lot [12:05] <Tonio-> Riddell: I'm just packaging ksystemlog cleanly. [12:05] <Tonio-> I'm telling you this because I know you are interesseted in adding it to the next version of livecd [12:07] <Riddell> Tonio-: actually I've already tidied up your ksystemlog package [12:08] <Riddell> on revu [12:09] <Tonio-> yep but it isn't compliant is it ? i'm checking [12:10] <Tonio-> Riddell: I'm actually preparing a new package who might be correct ;) [12:11] <Tonio-> I have done my first policy compliant package yesterday so it might be okay now, I have the technique lol [12:12] <Tonio-> Riddell: I'll be posted in one hour max... [12:22] <Mez> Riddell, ping [12:22] <Riddell> Mez: toot [12:23] <Mez> can you have a look at the k3b-i18n package in REVU [12:23] <Mez> it's confusing the hell outta me [12:24] <Mez> the thing says I'm referring to arch dependent packages [12:24] <Mez> but I dont refer to arch dependt packages [12:24] <Mez> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/k3b-i18n-0507281510/k3b-i18n-0.12.2/debian/control [12:25] <Riddell> which thing says that? [12:25] <Mez> lintian [12:25] <Mez> fecjk [12:25] <Mez> (>=0.12) [12:25] <Mez> not (>= 0.12) [12:25] <Mez> that was prob what it was bitching about [12:38] <Riddell> Mez: still need me to look at it or will you upload a fixed version? [12:39] <Mez> Riddell, uploaded, just waiting for REVU to proces itr [12:44] <Mez> Riddell, http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=253 [12:45] <Mez> I would upload it myself... but still wiating :D [12:46] <Riddell> Tonio-: klibido looks good, I'm going to advocate it [12:46] <Tonio-> okay ;) thanks [12:47] <Riddell> wow, dholbach is strict [12:47] <Riddell> Mez: are you able to advocate stuff yet? [12:48] <Tonio-> yep, amazigly strict ;) It helped making great progress but sometime I must say I'm confused of what to do... [12:48] <Tonio-> I cannot ask to the developper to clean his source code for ubuntu addition should I ?? ^_^ [12:49] <Riddell> Tonio-: you can send polite comments back to the developers yes :) [12:49] <Tonio-> okay, well not a problem with pwmanager whom I contact very often... [12:50] <Tonio-> What file is concerned by this comment ? you should talk to upstream about how serious these two messages are: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath ./usr/lib/kde3/kded_pwmanager_kwalletemu.so /usr/lib [12:50] <Tonio-> I searched quickly but didn't find where it was... [12:50] <Riddell> Tonio-: that's a lintian error, but I don't get any such error [12:51] <Riddell> lintian foo.deb and lintian foo.dsc [12:51] <Tonio-> I don't to.... this is the reason U wasn't able to find.... [12:53] <Riddell> Tonio-: pwmanager good too.. advocating [12:53] <Tonio-> nice ;) [12:54] <Mez> Riddell, yes [12:54] <Riddell> who is muszilla@users.sourceforge? [12:54] <Mez> dholbach is very very strict ridell :D [12:55] <Riddell> Mez: fancy advocating ksystemlog, pwmanager and klibido then? [12:55] <Tonio-> Riddell: no need to rebuilt ksystemlog so I'll probably add kmplayer and klamav today or tomorow [12:55] <Riddell> Tonio-: cool [12:55] <Mez> Riddell - muszilla=Andreas Mussgiller [12:55] <Tonio-> Mez: yep amazingly, but for personns like who are learning packaging this is a very good way to learn also ! [12:56] <Riddell> Mez: is he on IRC? [12:56] <Tonio-> hum guys, little question concerning sources modifications... [12:56] <Mez> Riddell, no idea [12:57] <Mez> and for ksystemlog, it was agreed that [12:57] <Mez> Debian package: [12:57] <Mez> Copyright 2005 Jonathan Riddell <jriddell@ubuntu.com> [12:57] <Mez> shoudlnt be there [12:57] <Tonio-> If I have for example CVS folders to remove, should that be done with a cdbs patch or would you do directly in the sources ? [12:57] <Mez> This package was debianized by Jonathan Riddell <jriddell@ubuntu.com> on [12:57] <Mez> Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:41:21 +0200. [12:57] <Mez> then another saying same thing [12:57] <Mez> It's not right [12:57] <Mez> and packaging cant be "copyrighted" [12:57] <Mez> as it's all based off of dh_make in the first place [12:57] <Mez> :D [12:58] <Tonio-> I may post a new version exactly done like klibido don't you wan't ? [12:58] <Riddell> Mez: it's not based off dh_make [12:58] <Mez> it will have been at some point :d [12:58] <Tonio-> I have ksystemlog right now on the computer.... [12:58] <Mez> but yeah, the copyright for the package shouldnt be there tecnically [12:58] <Riddell> Tonio-: I'd remove CVS directories to sources before making the .orig file [12:59] <Mez> I asked this earlier, cause it seemed wrong to have ti twice, and ogra said it shouldnt really be tyhere [12:59] <Tonio-> okay, so I'll keep doning this and maybe mention that to the changelog [12:59] <Riddell> why not? [12:59] <Riddell> Tonio-: if dh gives you hassle get me to poke him :) [01:00] <Mez> Riddell: cause it already says who it was packaged by right abve that [01:00] <Tonio-> hehe ^^ [01:00] <Riddell> Mez: but doesn't say who it's copyright to [01:01] <Mez> Riddell: I don't see how you can copyright a package [01:01] <Tonio-> he should be in gentoo community or even freebsd ^^ [01:01] <Mez> seeing as someone will have at some point dont exactly the same thing [01:01] <Mez> and unless you apply a licence to the packaging of it [01:01] <Mez> it means noone can work on the package [01:02] <Tonio-> Riddell: appart from that he send me an email saying he was fine finding a newbie making efforts and encourgaging me a lot... [01:02] <Tonio-> strict but very nice guy I must say ;) [01:02] <Mez> Riddell, I've not seen a single package dh has liked [01:02] <Riddell> dh is lovely really :) [01:03] <Mez> he';s a good guy [01:03] <Tonio-> I looked at revues to find error not to commit and I must say I didn't saw one dh's "yes" advocating ;) [01:03] <Mez> just very strict and seems to be able to get any package and list a massive long list of faults [01:03] <Mez> brb
 dh is lovely really :) -> from what I've read I must say I completly agree ;) [01:07] <Mez> Riddell, I already advocated pwmanager [01:08] <Tonio-> And in a MOTU's school he would be the perfect teacher I think... Lokk at his revu and you can learn a lot concerning the specific points to look at. [01:08] <Mez> oh, and Tonio- sorry for the load of "copy and paste" reviews :D [01:08] <Riddell> Mez: ah, so you did [01:08] <Mez> and klibido [01:09] <Mez> Riddell, can you advocate ? [01:09] <Tonio-> Mez, I really want to learn making good packages... I learned a lot that way, so that's perfectly okay to me [01:09] <Mez> Tonio-, I was hoping youd see it that way and not me just slating your packages [01:09] <Mez> I did add a couple of comments on the ones I saw with other problems than the c&p ones, have a poke around them [01:10] <Mez> like the zlib/bzlib one :D [01:10] <Riddell> Mez: yes but it silently doesn't add it if I just tick the box without a comment, silly of it [01:10] <Mez> lol [01:10] <Mez> Tonio-, you do check that these build on breezy dpon't you? [01:11] <Tonio-> nope, I don't know how to get the breezy packages list [01:11] <Tonio-> I just wanted to ask how to be sure that a package isn't already added [01:11] <Tonio-> so how ? ^^ [01:11] <Mez> Tonio - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PBuilderHowto [01:11] <Mez> hmmles [01:12] <Mez> why were package archived that havent been uploaded [01:12] <Tonio-> hu ? I look but didn't find.... [01:12] <Tonio-> let me check once more [01:13] <Riddell> Mez: k3b-i18n doesn't package if you debuild then debuild -S [01:13] <Tonio-> Mez: what does "to slate" means ? [01:15] <Tonio-> no forget -> google.com ;) [01:18] <Mez> Riddell: can you upload php4-universe for me? [01:18] <Tonio-> Mez: I didn't read correctly, so yes, I'm building packages with pbuilder from the beggining according to Riddell advices [01:18] <Tonio-> sorry for the confusion, I didn'"t pratice much english for 5 years and sometime I'mm not understanding everything correctly hehe ^^ [01:18] <Mez> Riddell, wtf are uncleaned gmo files? [01:20] <Tonio-> hum, same stupid question [01:20] <Tonio-> If I wanna add an application, how to know if it is already in breezy ? [01:20] <Tonio-> Is downloading packages.gz on the repo the only solution ? [01:20] <Riddell> Mez: dpkg-source: cannot represent change to zh_CN/messages/libk3bdevice.gmo: binary file contents changed [01:20] <Mez> Tonio-, packages.ubuntu.com [01:21] <Mez> Riddell, I have NO idea what that means :D [01:21] <Riddell> Mez: do a debuild then a debuild -S [01:21] <Riddell> it doesn't remove all the generated files [01:21] <Tonio-> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH good ! [01:21] <Mez> Riddell - am trying [01:21] <Mez> and Riddell - how do i fix that [01:22] <Riddell> Mez: quick fix would be adding find . -name *gmo | xargs rm to debian/rules clean [01:22] <Riddell> bit of a kludge but [01:23] <Mez> Riddell: your hoary 3.4.2.packages are b0rked [01:23] <Mez> The following packages have unmet dependencies: [01:23] <Mez> libarts1-dev: Depends: libarts1c2 (= 1.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary1) but it is not going to be installed [01:24] <Mez> libarts1c2: Conflicts: libarts1 but 1.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1 is to be installed [01:25] <Riddell> Mez: that's not good [01:25] <Mez> lol [01:26] <Mez> and it also breaks on an upgrade too [01:26] <Mez> and, to try and remove it, you have to remove EVERYTHING in kubuntu :D [01:27] <Riddell> Mez: where are you getting it from? [01:29] <Mez> mez@apathy:/backports/arena/k3b-i38n/k3b-i18n-0.12.2$ apt-cache madison libarts1c2 [01:29] <Mez> libarts1c2 | 1.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary1 | http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk hoary-updates/main Packages [01:29] <Mez> mez@apathy:/backports/arena/k3b-i38n/k3b-i18n-0.12.2$ [01:30] <Tonio-> hum, just building kmplayer with possibly mplayer support, doesn't mplayer has dev package just like xine or gstreamer ? [01:31] <Riddell> Mez: there was an old version that had arts problems but the current packages look fine to me [01:32] <Mez> ah, seems i got that version [01:32] <Mez> did an update and lots shineh new packages [01:32] <Mez> Riddell, you know, I've only noticed one change [01:32] <Mez> and thats the "system places" icon has changes [01:33] <Mez> Riddell, can you upload php4-universe for me pleasE :D [01:34] <Mez> oh god [01:34] <Mez> someone REALLY needs a life [01:35] <Riddell> who? [01:35] <Mez> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=kitchensync [01:35] <Mez> lol [01:35] <Mez> wheover thought up that name [01:35] <Riddell> cornelius I think :) [01:36] <Mez> KDE: Everything includig the Kitchen Sink (spelling may vary) [01:37] <Mez> Riddell, you still need ops on #kubuntu ? [01:37] <Riddell> Mez: dunno, depends if there are going to be trouble makers there [01:37] <Riddell> what is php4-universe? [01:38] <Mez> it was originally a rebuild cvause of UnmentDeps [01:38] <Mez> but had to change it a lil to fix it :D [01:39] <Riddell> has it been uploaded before? [01:40] <Mez> yeah, it's not a new package [01:40] <Mez> I just dont have my upload access yet [01:40] <Mez> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=all&subword=0&exact=1&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=php4-universe&searchon=sourcenames [01:41] <Riddell> why is it called universe? [01:41] <Mez> Riddell: I'd suggest nikkia as an op in #kubuntu if you need one. They're give very good quality support [01:42] <Mez> Riddell, because it provides PHP packages that arent needed in main [01:42] <Mez> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/source/php4 [01:42] <Mez> vs http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/source/php4-universe [01:43] <Riddell> nikkia looks like a girl from england, sure you're not just trying to chat her up? :) [01:43] <Mez> Riddell, no, I have a gf :D [01:44] <Mez> (and i didnt know she was from engladn I just know she gives good support) [02:04] <Riddell> she's ignoring my /msg [02:04] <Mez> and mine :D [02:04] <Mez> what you say [02:05] <Riddell> just said hi [02:05] <Riddell> she probably gets that a lot :) [02:06] <Mez> she doesnt see /msgs [02:06] <Mez> ircssi [02:07] <Riddell> irssi, should pick them up fine [03:40] <Mez> Riddell, just to quash the rumours your spreading
 nikkia looks like a girl from england, sure you're not just trying to chat her up? :) [03:40] <Mez> why would I need to when I have this --> http://www.cheesenibbles.com/files/mez/emily.jpg [03:40] <Mez> anyways [03:40] <Mez> night [10:38] <fromoze> Hi, just a comment about 3.4.2. I see the kcontrol isn't in the kmenu. I'm agree to use the preferences on System-Menu; but I'm disagree with no more acces to kcontrol. I'm adding a kcontrol launcher in kmenu-->System. [10:39] <fromoze> IMHO, kcontrol is easier for old-school kde user... [10:54] <Mez> I think that's to make the way for kde-systemsettings [10:54] <Mez> and it was forgotten about in 3.4.2 [10:57] <fromoze> ok, i see, I didn't have the package kde-systemsettings installed... I need to make a aptitude install kubuntu-desktop to see if I forgot something more :$ [10:58] <fromoze> now, system settings is where kcontrol used to stay .. [01:27] <pef> hello [01:27] <JRe> hello pef [02:13] <JRe> Riddell: you think that Tenor will be ready for KDE 4 ? [02:22] <Riddell> JRe: that's the target yes [02:22] <JRe> Riddell:sure =) [02:22] <JRe> Riddell: but development has not yet started or i'm wrong ? [02:23] <Riddell> JRe: development started long ago but it's still throwing ideas about, #klink is the channel [02:23] <JRe> Riddell: thanks! [02:47] <Tonio-> hi there [02:47] <JRe> hi Tonio- [02:47] <Tonio-> anyone aware of a little bug in Amarok sice 3.4.2 ? [02:47] <Tonio-> I have a bug in the gui.... [02:48] <Tonio-> hi JRe ;) [02:48] <JRe> what is the bug ? [02:48] <Tonio-> I post a snap... [02:51] <Tonio-> http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture17.png [02:51] <Tonio-> here it is.... [02:52] <JRe> hehe du cabrel =) =) [02:53] <JRe> tough it seems to be a bad bug =( [02:53] <Tonio-> yep [02:53] <Tonio-> duno if that is due to amarok's code or the compilation... [02:53] <Tonio-> need to see if the sources have been hacked... [02:54] <Tonio-> and yes, Cabrel is good (if you understand french) ^^ [02:54] <JRe> Tonio-: it only has started to happen after KDE 3.4.2 installation? [02:56] <Tonio-> yep [02:56] <Tonio-> it was working fine before this [02:57] <JRe> mmm strange bug [02:57] <Tonio-> I just wanted to know i other users have the problem before trying to investigate a bit more or reporting that to bugzilla... [05:41] <Riddell> Tonio-: what's the problem? [05:43] <JRe> Riddell: seems to be fixed [06:02] <Tonio-> Riddell: well I had an error on the guy [06:02] <Tonio-> but I relaunched the app two or three times and it dissapered [06:03] <Tonio-> you can look at the snapshot, in the list, the 8 (I think) first lines are program options ;) [06:05] <Riddell> ah I see. weird [06:10] <Tonio-> yep, and that dissapired, just like that..... [06:11] <Tonio-> sounds amazing.... maybe a bug in the sqlite database..... [06:11] <Tonio-> that was detected and corrected after a few loadings....... [06:13] <Tonio-> ah Riddell I have a little question concerning a package, because I don't want to create any problems on REVU... [06:14] <Tonio-> Knemo is an excellent app, but already package, that will cause an issue already in breezy.. [06:14] <Tonio-> icons conflict with knetworkconf..... [06:14] <Riddell> hmm, I thought I'd fixed that [06:14] <Tonio-> ah ? [06:14] <Tonio-> okay [06:15] <Riddell> well maybe I havn't if you still see the problem [06:15] <Tonio-> so you can remove the corrected version on I posted on revu ;) [06:15] <Tonio-> but I mean, the best way to correct the problem is ? [06:15] <Riddell> I changed the icon in knetworkconf actually (since it's in KDE's SVN I could change it there too) [06:15] <Tonio-> the rename the icons and change the makefile, or remove the icons ? and doing that directly in the sources or within a cdbs patch ? [06:16] <Tonio-> ah good ;) [06:16] <Tonio-> can you remove the package I posted tu REVU so ? [06:16] <Riddell> Tonio-: are you getting an error in breezy? [06:16] <Tonio-> or at list put it in archived ? it doesn't need to be reviewed [06:16] <Tonio-> nope [06:16] <Tonio-> I mean I didn't try [06:17] <Tonio-> bu because knetworkconf sources includes those icons and same for knemo [06:17] <Tonio-> I belived the problem will remain isn't it ? [06:17] <Tonio-> or maybe in svn version of knetworkconf it is different... [06:17] <Riddell> well it /should/ be fixed by knetworkconf but maybe I didn't [06:17] <Riddell> I'll take a look at it [06:18] <Tonio-> okay [06:18] <Tonio-> well in any case if it isn't you know I have a corrected package ;) [06:18] <Tonio-> vut patching the sources requires cdbs patch to be validated according to the REVU policies no ? [06:18] <Riddell> :) [06:19] <Riddell> hello muszilla [06:19] <muszilla> Howdy [06:19] <Tonio-> I did that manually in the sources and put the informations in the changelog.... Is it enought ? [06:19] <Tonio-> hi muszilla [06:19] <Riddell> Tonio-: I think revu's 3 approval rule is only for new packages, anything else you can upload there and someone can upload as they see fit [06:20] <Tonio-> doesn't require 3 approval ? only one is okay ? [06:21] <Tonio-> well let's see one month before breezy, I'll have a look to see if the problem is present, and then reporting to you.... [06:21] <Riddell> Tonio-: well the 3 approval is for new packages as far as I know [06:21] <Tonio-> okay [06:21] <Tonio-> concerning kmplayer, I had it without koffice support, and emailed the upstream about what is it used for [06:21] <Riddell> Tonio-: good plan [06:22] <Tonio-> if it is important feature (but doesn't sounds), I'll put a 0ubuntu2 version with it [06:22] <Riddell> muszilla: you must be the kweather man. welcome along [06:23] <Tonio-> the problem is that a complete koffice dependancie is perhaps too much for a simple konqueror plusgin unless the integration th koffice is important feature.... [06:26] <Riddell> it's possible the koffice stuff is a loadable plugin in which case it could be put in a separate package. but this is unlikely [06:27] <Tonio-> well, the fact that the official doesn't have any reference to koffice so that might be only "in project" or very very optionnal feature..... [06:28] <Tonio-> that's the reason I wouldn't personnaly have to install the full koffice for juste little video plugin.... [06:28] <Tonio-> the official site excuse ma... [07:04] <muszilla> kweather? No, that is not me...

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:37.990572

2005-08-05-#ubuntu-toolchain

[06:40] <fabbione> doko: [06:40] <fabbione> e44e9ad88081fd0ac6834cb0b7e59a8f 764 libs optional lib64g2c0_3.4.4-6ubuntu2_sparc.deb [06:40] <fabbione> i think something is missing from that package... [09:14] <doko> fabbione: what is missing? [10:06] <fabbione> doko: it's 764 bytes? [10:07] <doko__> ahh, no. need to find out, why there's no lib ... [11:11] <lamont> dpkg --contents pool/main/b/binutils/binutils-hppa64_2.16.1-2ubuntu2_hppa.deb | grep objdump [11:11] <lamont> -rwxr-xr-x root/root 262376 2005-07-27 10:15:56 ./usr/bin/hppa64-linux-gnu-objdump [11:11] <lamont> /bin/sh: hppa64-linux-objdump: command not found [11:11] <lamont> which one is wrong, I wonder?

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.000698

2005-08-05-#ubuntu-motu

[12:22] <Octane> i am trying to get my first package going and am wondering -- should i apt-get source it (i want to craete a package for a newer version) or should i get the source from the web [12:29] <crimsun> both [12:32] <crimsun> Octane: both. [12:33] <Octane> crimsun: thanks [12:33] <Octane> crimsun: i just realized -- could use the source's /debian files for guidance [12:33] <crimsun> Octane: it really depends how you wish to learn it. You sometimes can produce an updated deb by simplying uupdating [12:34] <crimsun> a decent reference is the Debian New Maintainer's Guide [01:16] <Octane> how does one make the .install files [01:16] <Octane> i know its a general question i mean at what point do they get created [01:19] <Lathiat> .install files? [01:23] <Octane> the <package>.install [01:23] <Octane> in debian dir [01:37] <crimsun> Octane: with debhelper [01:40] <Octane> crimsun: dh_make? [02:49] <SloMoSnail> hmm... does somebody know how i can restore my umlauts, at-sign etc ;) (i've finally upgrade to breezy...) [03:12] <sebest> SloMoSnail: what is umlauts? [03:12] <sebest> @ ? [03:13] <SloMoSnail> nope... some german characters... for example an a with two dots on the top... [03:13] <SloMoSnail> but @ doesn't work too ;) [03:14] <sebest> i think i add the same problem but with french character, you have a modifier that doesn't work? [03:14] <sebest> me, it was the "shitf" key [03:14] <sebest> so i just add it back with xmodmap [03:15] <SloMoSnail> that too... but the umlauts are normally available without a modifier key ;) [03:15] <SloMoSnail> well... i have to look at it tomorrow :) i need sleep... [03:15] <sebest> try to have a look in your xmodmap file , i think it's located in /usr/share/xmodmap [03:16] <sebest> btw do you have the xmodmap binary? [03:16] <SloMoSnail> no ;) [03:16] <sebest> you need it :) [03:16] <SloMoSnail> yeah... but why isn't it installed by default anymore? [03:17] <sebest> i think it's because Xorg is in the processed of being modularized [03:17] <sebest> in breezy [03:17] <sebest> basically all these tools where in one package, and they are not in many different one, and it seems that they are not all ready [03:18] <sebest> in think it's xbase-clients that is being split [03:18] <SloMoSnail> most probably... well, at least now everything compiles again against the modularized X ;) [03:18] <sebest> i fetch my xmodmap from my hoary install [03:19] <sebest> and other xkb tools are available in xkbutils [03:25] <SloMoSnail> thanks... and good night everybody :) [03:53] <desrt> word. [03:53] <desrt> is there a way to find out who is responsible for a particular pacakge? [03:53] <desrt> (package, too) [03:54] <Burgundavia> desrt, in Ubuntu? [03:54] <desrt> yes [03:55] <desrt> i want to figure out who the master who takes care of a particular package is... but the Maintainer: just lists the debian maint. [03:55] <Burgundavia> afaik, Ubuntu is far more loose about package ownership [03:55] <Burgundavia> but generally people stick to specific areas [03:55] <desrt> ah.. so who would i talk to about getting patches into breezy's muine? [03:55] <Burgundavia> tseng [03:56] <desrt> tseng; beep. [03:56] <desrt> lots of familiar faces around here :) [03:56] <Amaranth> desrt: if the patches fix inotify i'll kiss you [03:57] <desrt> Amaranth; no such luck [03:57] <desrt> Amaranth; just some focus fixes [03:57] <Amaranth> what are they for? [03:57] <Amaranth> ah [03:57] <Amaranth> you can't send those upstream? [03:57] <desrt> and improved tray icon behaviour, if they'll be accepted [03:57] <desrt> upstream already has them [03:57] <Amaranth> ah [03:57] <Amaranth> shouldn't be a problem then [03:57] <desrt> they did a fairly large rewrite... but there's a one-liner that will work with the muine in breezy [03:57] <Amaranth> o_O [03:57] <desrt> well... breezy is UVFrozen [03:58] <Amaranth> universe is rather loose right now [03:58] <Amaranth> so is main, actaully [03:58] <desrt> huh [03:58] <Amaranth> basically on the day of UVF all that happens is the merge-o-matic stops getting things from debian [03:58] <desrt> ok. the problem is, then, that the new version hasn't been released yet :) [03:58] <Amaranth> but as we go on things tighten up [03:58] <Amaranth> ah, that's always a problem [03:59] <Amaranth> please tell me the rewrite doesn't use gst-sharp [03:59] <desrt> i doubt it [03:59] <desrt> although i really wish it would [03:59] <Amaranth> Sure, if gst-sharp would ever actually release. [03:59] <desrt> :) [03:59] <Amaranth> Or, you know, build from one day to the next. [04:00] <Amaranth> it's actually so bad that sonance comes with a prebuilt DLL [04:01] <desrt> "release never, release infrequently" [04:02] <Tonio-> hi again ;) [04:03] <Tonio-> does anyone have informations about multiverse organisation and updates ? [04:03] <bddebian> What do you mean by organization? [04:03] <Tonio-> I may package a graphical frontend to mencoder, but that requires version 1.0pre7 [04:03] <Burgundavia> Tonio-, what sort of info are you looking for [04:03] <Tonio-> offically release for 3 months [04:03] <Tonio-> version is old in breezy [04:03] <Tonio-> so.......... I cannot package ;) [04:04] <Burgundavia> Tonio-, you can package the new version [04:04] <Tonio-> I would just like to know how to request or submit updates for the multiverse content ;) [04:04] <Burgundavia> of mencoder [04:04] <Burgundavia> and then stick it up on REVU [04:04] <Tonio-> okay [04:04] <Tonio-> anotther problem [04:04] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU [04:04] <Tonio-> actually mencoder is realsed in the form of 6 or seven packages ;) [04:05] <Tonio-> I know that Burgundavia , but due to the fact that mencoder has version for all kind off processors, I may not be able to comile for all [04:05] <Tonio-> I'm confused with it ;) [04:07] <Amaranth> you don't compile anything [04:07] <Burgundavia> mencoder is part of the mplayer source package [04:07] <Amaranth> you make sure it works, upload a source package (someone does this for you), and the buildds do the compiling for all the archs [04:09] <bddebian> Still no libdebtags1-dev? [04:11] <bddebian> Holy crap, I see that UniverseUnmetDeps still needs lot o' lovin'.. [04:23] <bddebian> If we are actually able to build packages on UniverseUnmetDeps, where should they go? Do they belong on REVU or just post a link to my own archive for an MOTU to look at? [05:20] <tseng> desrt: ? [05:20] <desrt> tseng; would you accept some patches to muine? [05:20] <tseng> depends what they do [05:20] <desrt> one is a one-liner to fix focusing of the "add album/song" windows when using muine-shell [05:21] <desrt> the other changes the behaviour of the tray icon [05:21] <tseng> the one you checked into cvs? [05:21] <Tonio-> hi guys ;) [05:21] <tseng> ignore single click or something [05:21] <desrt> i didn't check any of them into cvs [05:21] <tseng> uh [05:21] <desrt> oh. that. ok. so i did check that one in :) [05:21] <desrt> no. this is something else :) [05:21] <desrt> it's more substantial changes [05:22] <desrt> left click: hide/show window [05:22] <desrt> middle click: play/pause [05:22] <desrt> right click: context menu [05:22] <desrt> + add a "quit" item to the context menu [05:22] <tseng> uh [05:22] <tseng> how does jorn feal about this [05:22] <Tonio-> getting this during pbuilder, and I'm not able to find the package.... [05:22] <desrt> + clicking [x] on the playlist dialog doesn't close the entire app [05:22] <Tonio-> checking for Subversion headers... not found [05:22] <desrt> tseng; no idea. he seems dead lately [05:22] <Tonio-> no -dev package concerning subversion................. [05:22] <tseng> i am used to it the way it is [05:23] <desrt> tseng; that's a suprisingly effective argument [05:23] <tseng> heh well [05:23] <desrt> tseng; but you must admit that the changes would make you happy after a day or two of adjustment :) [05:23] <tseng> it sounds like a decent idea [05:23] <tseng> but id rather them go into cvs or something first [05:23] <desrt> the focus fix patch should be an ubuntu vendor patch [05:24] <Amaranth> desrt: fork! ;) [05:24] <desrt> since it's fixed (properly) in CVS [05:24] <desrt> but the fix is quite large [05:24] <tseng> hm [05:24] <tseng> crappy [05:24] <desrt> see bug #303333 [05:24] <tseng> gnome bug? [05:24] <desrt> yes [05:24] <desrt> only gnome is so buggy as to have that many :) [05:25] <tseng> im sure moz.org is comparable [05:25] <desrt> tseng; my first attachment on that bug [05:25] <desrt> i'll open an enh request for the new tray icon stuff, i suppose [05:30] <desrt> #312110 [05:30] <desrt> all of my muine bugs seem to get pretty numbers :) [05:31] <desrt> btw: http://www.desrt.ca/code/trayicon/ [05:31] <desrt> TrayIcon.dll.breezy has the updated functionality (toss it in your plugins dir as TrayIcon.dll) [05:31] <desrt> source is there too if you want [05:32] <desrt> TrayIcon.dll is against HEAD and is API incompat with the muine in breezy [05:33] <tseng> uh [05:33] <tseng> im not that excited about any of this stuff [05:34] <tseng> not to mention im sick as a dog, so ill look at it later [05:34] <desrt> fair enough :) [05:37] <tseng> thanks. [05:40] <|QuaD-> reviewing (NEW or updated)? go [08:14] <LaserJock> Hi all, I have a question about packages that need .desktop files, i.e. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile [08:15] <LaserJock> What exactly is needed to be done? [08:24] <Amaranth> create a .desktop file [08:25] <LaserJock> It seems kinda obvious and simple to do that I kinda thought it would have already been done [08:27] <Amaranth> well, it's very low priority [08:28] <LaserJock> well, it happens to be one of my pet peeves and I'm not much of a coder so maybe I could work on it [08:28] <Amaranth> tseng: have you ever seen http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1019 ? [08:28] <Amaranth> LaserJock: Go ahead. [08:29] <Amaranth> http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ and http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ [08:29] <Amaranth> the relevant part in the spec spec is appendix a [08:30] <LaserJock> thanks for the info [08:31] <Amaranth> err in the menu spec [09:14] <HostingGeek> http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/ nice [10:58] <Burgundavia> Unfrgiven, is this page useful to you? Will it cause more harm than good? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch [11:05] <herve> morning [11:07] <ajmitch> hi herve [11:22] <neverstable> hello is there n y body help me about ubuntu [11:23] <sladen> lots of people, just ask! [11:23] <sladen> or better still, try #ubuntu-users and stick around for more than 30seconds [11:24] <Burgundavia> sladen, that would be just #ubuntu [11:31] <sladen> yeah, good point [12:11] <slomo> hi siretart [12:18] <tseng> Amaranth: not a fan [12:25] <tseng> hi [12:30] <Lathiat> tseng: any idea how to make a rewriterule which would put any query string on the end of the request [12:30] <tseng> Lathiat: hm no [12:30] <tseng> Lathiat: i hate mod_rewrite [12:30] <Lathiat> like match for a ?(anything) and put it in $3 so i can stick &$3 in the rewriterule [12:30] <Lathiat> tseng: heh, why ? [12:31] <Lathiat> i'm tryign to make my urls such that /stores/test/ is essentially /, the /stores/test/ is to give me the store id test so bookmarking urls etc work... whats a better way to achieve that? [12:31] <tseng> its hard to use [12:31] <Lathiat> and i thought while i was at it i might get rid of some other query stringy things [12:31] <tseng> we did redirect warez kids coming to my friends server after someone leaked the link to Gorillaz to tubgirl, however [12:32] <Lathiat> heh [12:32] <Lathiat> ouch ;p [12:32] <Lathiat> bleh, did i mention i hate doing web development? [12:32] <tseng> hm, i like it [12:32] <tseng> but im not strictly web, i have a huge snmp engine fueling it [12:33] <Lathiat> tseng: ok how bout... how could i make a regex match that tested for ?<something> and stuck <something> in a match, but the ? doesnt need to be present [12:33] <Lathiat> i really need to learn to speak regexs one day [12:33] <tseng> in sed i would use s:foo:bar:g [12:34] <tseng> not sure if/how that translates to mod_rewrite :/ [12:34] <Lathiat> umm like [12:34] <Lathiat> a replacement isnt what i want [12:34] <Lathiat> hrm [12:34] <Lathiat> oh well [02:38] <siretart> hi folks [02:39] <Mez> lo [02:44] <\sh> what r we doing with the xfce4 stuff? [03:04] <slomo> \sh: afaik the xfce team works on that... ogra said me to leave alone the xfce stuff ;) [03:26] <\sh> slomo: ok then :) so I can try to fix the other stuff *grmpf* [03:31] <\sh> slomo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/i/imms/2.0.3-2ubuntu3/ [03:32] <slomo> \sh: good work :D [03:34] <\sh> slomo: at least [03:38] <\sh> hmmm...does anybody have a logitech quickcam? [03:38] <\sh> quickcam express ? [03:38] <\sh> usb? [03:54] <\sh> mitsuhiko: u tried it with gnomemeeting? [03:54] <mitsuhiko> \sh: the cam doesn't work with ubuntu :( [03:55] <\sh> it should with the drivers [03:55] <mitsuhiko> next week i will install breezy and check this [03:56] <\sh> i'm trying now [04:31] <\sh> grmpf...doesn't work...no /dev/video... [04:31] <\sh> well..I just created the devices...but even then :( [04:48] <herve> \sh, is it related to the message that just arrived at the ubuntu-devel list? [04:55] <\sh> no...I just loaded it [04:56] <\sh> but it doesn't work as expected [04:59] <Tonio-> hi everyone [05:00] <Tonio-> trying to package kdesvn, a frontend for svn, and I receive this during configure : [05:00] <Tonio-> checking for Subversion headers... not found [05:00] <Tonio-> I haven't been able to find such a package in hoary or breezy.... [05:00] <herve> probably some package like subversion-dev or libsvn-dev [05:00] <Tonio-> no dev package for subversion.... [05:00] <herve> if you know a file name its missing [05:01] <herve> it would be easy to find [05:01] <herve> I mean from what package this missing file comes [05:01] <Tonio-> libsvn-dev ahhhhhhhh I didn't chek with svn instead of subversion ;) [05:01] <Tonio-> let me try [05:01] <Amaranth> libsvn0-dev - development files for Subversion (aka. svn) libraries [05:01] <Amaranth> *cough* [05:01] <Tonio-> nice ;))))) [05:02] <Tonio-> it seems I was tired when trying [05:02] <Tonio-> or maybe just stupid !! [05:02] <Tonio-> very good thanks, I repackage immediatly [06:30] <gradzac> inetd is the standard superserver for ubuntu, right? [06:32] <gradzac> i'm asking cause shouldn't the xinetd package be marked to replace inetd?? [06:32] <Treenaks> no [06:32] <Treenaks> they can run together, and don't share files [06:33] <gradzac> but does it make sense to have both on the same system? [06:33] <Treenaks> that's nto the point... its _possible_ to run both at the same time with no ill effects, so it's allowed [06:34] <gradzac> is xinetd/inetd something that has been discussed in the past? [07:11] <zyga> gradzac: didn't xinetd have a funny license? [07:35] <gradzac> zyga: yes, it appears so.....definately not GPL [07:50] <Amaranth> launchd is crack for linux [07:50] <Amaranth> for one, it uses plists [07:50] <Amaranth> and XML [07:50] <Amaranth> which only works for apple because they use plists and XML for _everything_ so it's expected [07:52] <zyga> Amaranth: plists? [07:52] <zyga> Amaranth: I for one, welcome our XML overlords... [07:52] <Amaranth> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/PropertyLists/Concepts/XMLPListsConcept.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/20001011-BBCBDBJE [07:53] <Amaranth> i've spent way too much time messing with plists, so i'm probably biased [07:53] <Amaranth> but i hate them [07:53] <gradzac> A Redhat version I used had a gnome GUI for chkconfig that I really liked [07:53] <zyga> Amaranth: why exactly? [07:54] <gradzac> and I liked chkconfig in general [07:54] <Amaranth> zyga: because i had to figure out wtf iTunes was doing with them and then write a parser [07:54] <gradzac> I wish debian/ubuntu used that [07:54] <zyga> Amaranth: I ment, why do you hate them? [07:54] <Amaranth> i just answered that [07:55] <zyga> hmm [07:55] <zyga> I don't grok your approach but that's fine [07:56] <zyga> Amaranth: what was it parsing apart from xml? [07:56] <Amaranth> the iTunes Music Store uses plists as a communication protocol [07:58] <zyga> it looks like a simple serialization stuff for objc foundation stuff [07:59] <Amaranth> sure, the hard part was figuring out what iTunes does with what it receives and what it sends out, which is why i say i'm biased [07:59] <zyga> I see now [10:13] <Mo42> hi! i have done a package for gnomeradio and would like put it in universe. is that possible? [10:14] <siretart> Mo42: great! of course we want it! [10:15] <Mo42> the source package and a binary for amd64 is at http://mo42.ath.cx/ubuntu/sources/gnomeradio/ [10:15] <siretart> Mo42: if you think your package is ready for inclusion (build dependencies are correct, builds in pbuilder and are linda/lintian clean) you are welcome to upload it to revu, our reviewing tool! [10:15] <Mo42> well, linda seems to be broken on breezy/amd64... [10:16] <Mo42> but lintian has no error, but a warning because there is no manpage [10:16] <Lathiat> s/linda/everything [10:17] <siretart> at the first glance, your package seems fine [10:17] <siretart> Mo42: do you have a gpg key? [10:17] <Mo42> and it builds in pbuilder (looks like the build-deps are fine) and SloMoSnail tried to compile it on ppc and that seems to work, too [10:17] <Mo42> siretart: yes [10:17] <siretart> coool! [10:18] <siretart> Mo42: give me your keyid, then, I'll add you to the revu keyring, then [10:18] <Mo42> siretart: 80E0C374 [10:18] <Mo42> the packages are all signed with that key [10:19] <siretart> Mo42: great. I added you to the revu keyring. you may proceed with uploading it now [10:19] <Mo42> how do i do that? [10:20] <siretart> Mo42: have a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU [10:20] <siretart> I tried to explain that there as good as possible [10:20] <Mo42> oh wait... i have copied the description from the homepage and have not asked for permission... [10:20] <Mo42> perhaps i should ask the author before that [10:21] <siretart> hm. no, I think that description is ok [10:22] <Mo42> okay [10:26] <herve> ++ [10:32] <siretart> Mo42: please use "debuid -S -sa" (or dpkg-buildpackage [10:32] <siretart> with same options) [10:32] <siretart> Mo42: your upload didn't include the orig.tar.gz [10:34] <Mo42> siretart: sorry, but have already fixed that [10:34] <Mo42> and uploaded it again with orig.tar.gz [10:35] <siretart> yes, great [10:35] <siretart> I will have a look at it tomorrow, now I really need to get some sleep :( [10:36] <Mo42> okay, thanks! [10:38] <SloMoSnail> and i'll vote for it later ;) [10:38] <SloMoSnail> gn8 siretart [10:39] <siretart> gn8 folks [10:39] <Mo42> gn8 siretart

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2005-08-05-#ubuntu-kernel

[04:12] <zul> ick...no http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13106

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2024-05-13T23:20:38.010733

2005-08-05-#ubuntu-artwork

[12:26] <nicholaspaul> very nice amaranth [12:29] <lukacu> very nice indeed [12:30] <Amaranth> yay [12:30] <Amaranth> andy could probably do something :) [12:34] <Amaranth> something better, i mean [12:35] <lukacu> :) [05:58] <nicholaspaul> anyone here with experience hooking up (ok, networking) windows and ubuntu? [05:58] <nicholaspaul> i know this isnt a help channel, but i thot id ask ..

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2024-05-13T23:20:38.015698

2005-08-05-#ubuntu-doc

[04:40] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: I agree with you wholeheartedly [04:59] <jsgotangco> hi [06:18] <Madpilot> ? [06:18] <robitaille> ?? [06:18] <robitaille> :) [10:47] <Madpilot> anyone here? [10:47] <highvoltage> i'm sure there is [10:48] <highvoltage> it's sunday morning, so most ppl are probably asleep [10:48] <Madpilot> you know, I had no idea how late it was - almost 0200 here. heh... [10:49] <highvoltage> heh. is that us western time? [10:50] <Madpilot> Pacific Daylight [10:50] <highvoltage> wow. time is complicated in the usa. [10:50] <highvoltage> in south africa we just have one time, and it stays the same. always. [10:51] <Madpilot> perhaps - except that I'm in Canada... ;) [10:51] <Madpilot> RSA doesn't use daylight savings? [10:51] <highvoltage> nope. [10:51] <highvoltage> we don't really need it. we have enough daylight throughout the year :) [10:52] <Madpilot> we need to save it, this far north! [10:52] <highvoltage> in the summer, the sun comes up at 6, sets at 20:00, in the winter, it comes up at 7:00, sets at 19:00 [10:52] <highvoltage> yeah [10:53] <Madpilot> winter, here: up @ 0800, down before 1700 at worst. summer, up before 0600 and down past 2100 [10:53] <Madpilot> 49 degrees North does that... ;) [10:54] <highvoltage> i'm sure george bush will fund a project to change the virtual tilt of the earth :) [10:54] <Madpilot> he's just dumb enough. Canadian politicians are (slightly) more intelligent... [10:54] <highvoltage> true. [10:54] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary [10:55] <Burgundavia> what should I do with it? [10:56] <highvoltage> Burgundavia, Madpilot: are you related? [10:56] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, Madpilot is my old brother [10:56] <Burgundavia> I converted him to Ubuntu after his XP died [10:57] <highvoltage> that's cool. [10:59] <poningru> hehe [10:59] <poningru> how old apart are you guys? [10:59] <Madpilot> four years [11:00] <poningru> oh I thought it would be bigger diff, Burgundavia highvoltage, Madpilot is my old brother [11:00] <Madpilot> heh. Burgundavia can't type worth a d*mn - that should be "older"... [11:01] <poningru> oh [11:01] <poningru> gotcha [11:01] <poningru> doh should have realized that [11:01] <Burgundavia> ya ya [11:01] <Burgundavia> asdflkjasdfhpoiasdf [11:01] <Madpilot> did you type that with your forehead? [11:01] <highvoltage> qwerty! aaah! [11:02] <Burgundavia> nope [11:02] <Burgundavia> did it with me hands! [11:02] <poningru> dvorak? [11:02] <poningru> ah [11:02] <highvoltage> poningru: i use qwerty too, been wanting to switch for the longest time, but can't afford it. [11:04] <poningru> hehe too true [11:05] <Burgundavia> huh? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnologyChoices [11:06] <Madpilot> what's that page *for*? [11:07] <highvoltage> hmmm.. good question. i can kinda see what they tried to do. [11:07] <highvoltage> i wonder what "conforming programs" and non-conforming programs are. [11:07] <Burgundavia> I like the term "no useful content" [11:07] <Burgundavia> it is so broad [11:08] <highvoltage> oh, there it's gone :) [11:08] <Madpilot> have you already killed that page? [11:08] <Burgundavia> yes [11:08] <highvoltage> i wish people would log on when they edit pages, at least you can contact them if you need to find out why they created it. [11:08] <Burgundavia> they must [11:08] <Burgundavia> the adsl stuff is the wiki auto importer [11:09] <highvoltage> that page was edited by an adsl-someting-something, was that a username? [11:09] <highvoltage> aaaaah [11:09] <highvoltage> imported from where? [11:09] <Burgundavia> the old wiki [11:11] <poningru> question [11:11] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenOffice2Beta [11:11] <poningru> why is that like that? [11:12] <poningru> shouldnt we just say just update when the rep updates [11:12] <Madpilot> OO2 is in the repos anyway [11:12] <Madpilot> I keep meaning to install it to try it out [11:13] <poningru> its good [11:13] <poningru> oh btw I am talking about that scritp [11:13] <poningru> sigh script [11:13] <Madpilot> I assume that script gets the very, very latest crack of OOo2, instead of whatever is in the repos? [11:14] <Burgundavia> the breezy repos have the newest crack [11:14] <Burgundavia> just needs a backport [11:14] <Burgundavia> along with about a whole sh*tload of java [11:14] <Madpilot> hmmm. maybe just ditch the script in favour of info on adding the breezy repos to hoary? [11:15] <Burgundavia> no [11:15] <Madpilot> or should that all just go into BreakMyUbuntu? [11:15] <Burgundavia> tell the person to use hoary-backports [11:15] <Burgundavia> s/tell the person/edit the page to say [11:15] <Madpilot> that's even simpler [11:15] <poningru> yeah [11:15] <poningru> thats what I was thinking of [11:16] <poningru> do we use user pages? [11:16] <Burgundavia> what do you mean? [11:16] <poningru> cause I just wanted to add articles to do list to my page [11:16] <poningru> like wikipedia has user pages [11:16] <poningru> which allow a user to keep his/her own page [11:16] <Madpilot> you can subscribe to a page, i know [11:17] <poningru> hmm [11:17] <Madpilot> and your subscribed articles are listed on your User Prefs page [11:18] <highvoltage> where would you download OOo2MenuItems.tar.gz? it doesn't say that in the howto. [11:19] <Burgundavia> hoary backports is the way to go for that page [11:19] <Madpilot> here's more info: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30866&page=1&pp=10 [11:20] <Burgundavia> seb payne is that 16 year old I was telling you about, Madpilot [11:21] <Madpilot> here: http://www.evolutioncolt.com/mainweb/?q=node/11 [11:22] <Madpilot> that's what the wiki page is based on I think - the Ubuntu forum link is dead [11:25] <poningru> ooh when did canonical change their website [11:25] <poningru> pretty [11:30] <Burgundavia> looks very similar to the ubuntu one, so I assume the same time [11:31] <poningru> looks different to me [11:32] <Burgundavia> same css, different colours [11:33] <poningru> anywhere I can find the ubuntu history page? [11:33] <poningru> ah true [11:33] <Madpilot> css makes that sort of trick so *easy*, it's great [11:34] <poningru> hehe so true [11:34] <rob^> hey, what wiki package do we use? [11:34] <Burgundavia> history page? [11:34] <Burgundavia> rob^, moinmoin [11:34] <rob^> Burgundavia, ah ok [11:34] <rob^> thanks [11:37] <Madpilot> just added this: http://linuxcommand.org/ to the UserDocumentation page, right down at the bottom [11:37] <Madpilot> with "other resources" [11:40] <Madpilot> hmmm... Totem doesn't have a wiki page at all... [11:40] <Burgundavia> no [11:42] <Madpilot> likewise XPDF, even if it does bite [11:42] <Burgundavia> xpdf is crap [11:42] <Burgundavia> talk about evince [11:42] <Burgundavia> and anyway, wikipages should probably be mostly tasked based [11:43] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation <-- there's a whole raft of links here to app-specific pages [11:43] <Burgundavia> yes [11:44] <Madpilot> but many of them aren't the default apps anyway, AFAIK [11:44] <Burgundavia> indeed [11:44] <Burgundavia> we need to promote existing applications and soutions [11:44] <Burgundavia> the bittorrent page could use some love [11:46] <poningru> hehe please dont decide on azureus for that [11:46] <Madpilot> I know zip about BT, wouldn't know where to start [11:46] <Burgundavia> pretty easy [11:46] <Burgundavia> you click on the link and it happens [11:47] <poningru> rofl [11:47] <Madpilot> funny guy. I don't use FF, remember? [11:47] <Burgundavia> we need slightly more featureful application [11:47] <Burgundavia> sorry, we don't support Opera [11:47] <Madpilot> slightly more what? [11:47] <poningru> Madpilot: what do you use? [11:47] <Madpilot> Opera [11:47] <poningru> wow [11:47] <Burgundavia> currently, it is one link to one window [11:47] <poningru> erhm sorry didnt mean anything by it [11:47] <Burgundavia> would be nice to bring it into one window [11:48] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: I really don't know what you're talking about... [11:49] <Burgundavia> basically each bittorrent you have open is a seperate window and seperate app [11:50] <Burgundavia> makes it difficult to store stuff over a reboot, because you have to remember where you put it [11:51] <poningru> thats true [11:51] <poningru> linux really doesnt have any good bt clients [11:52] <Madpilot> that's with GNOME torrents? [11:52] <poningru> well there is azureus [11:52] <Burgundavia> I saw a mockup that someone posted a while ago [11:52] <Burgundavia> azureus is waaay too many buttons [11:52] <poningru> but its pretty resource hogish [11:52] <poningru> yeah [11:52] <poningru> what I like is ABC [11:52] <poningru> but their linux release is limited to the 6 month old release [11:53] <Burgundavia> ouch [11:53] <poningru> its limited to just the good features [11:53] <poningru> yeah [11:53] <poningru> my sis using win loves it [11:53] <poningru> I love it too [11:53] <poningru> but too bad I cant use it [11:54] <Burgundavia> night all! [11:56] <poningru> do we have a basic glossary page? [11:57] <Madpilot> no idea. if not, we need one. [11:57] <poningru> yeah [11:57] <poningru> how long ago was this wiki started? [11:57] <Madpilot> no idea there either [11:58] <Madpilot> searchig "Glossary" got me no hits except an italian page [11:58] <poningru> hmm yeah [11:58] <poningru> gaah I have to go run [11:58] <poningru> talk to you later dude [11:59] <Madpilot> later [10:22] <Kinnison> hey burgey [10:26] <Burgundavia> salut Kinnison [10:28] <Kinnison> wooyay [10:28] <Burgundavia> what about you? what is new in lp land [10:35] <Burgundavia> cool

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2024-05-13T23:20:38.021112

2005-08-05-#ubuntu

[12:00] <Octane> tommi^: ya im trying though to make 2 packages a regular one and a dev one [12:00] <Octane> Amaranth: thank you [12:00] <Amaranth> Octane: if someone is there they can help you with the package so you can try to get it into universe [12:00] <hybrid_goth> any OSX users here? or anyone know what expose is? [12:00] <JDahl> Octane, did you read this guide: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide ? [12:00] <Arnia> Expose is the task switcher in OSX [12:01] <Arnia> Very cool to use [12:01] <hybrid_goth> can i do that in ubuntu? [12:01] <hybrid_goth> yes i love expose [12:01] <Octane> JDahl: ive beeen reading many docs but i cant find the answer of what in eed to do to create 2 different packages from one source [12:02] <Arnia> hybrid_goth: not any current implementations [12:02] <Amaranth> Octane: list them in the control file [12:02] <Arnia> Skippy tries, but isn't as smooth [12:02] <hybrid_goth> darn [12:02] <LeaChim> i'm getting: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting on trying to use xinit. how can i fix it? [12:02] <hybrid_goth> ok ty [12:02] <Octane> Amaranth: but how will dpkg-buildpackage know to divide them b/w -dev and a regular file [12:02] <Amaranth> Octane: then make <pkgname>.install files in the debian/ dir that have a list of files that should go into that package [12:03] <Octane> ah i see [12:03] <Arnia> Although you could try adding some of the luminocity goodness to metacity for them :) [12:03] <Octane> Amaranth: is really necessary to have a chroot for this like some guides recommend [12:03] <zer> Anybody here who has tried Ubuntu with initng yet? [12:03] <Arnia> Then it should be pretty easy to write [12:03] <tommi^> LeaChim, at what situation? [12:03] <Amaranth> Octane: Yeah, a badly made package can crap all over your filesystem and not clean up after itself. [12:03] <LeaChim> tommi^, using xinit [12:04] <Octane> Amaranth: i see so we use the chroot to have a clean environemtn [12:04] <Amaranth> Octane: exactly [12:04] <Amaranth> Octane: have you ever used glob? [12:04] <Octane> Amaranth: never heard of it [12:04] <nopark> has anyone else had a "IRQ 18: nobody cared" error message continually come up? [12:04] <Andares> nopark, What? Is that really an error? [12:05] <Amaranth> Octane: ok, well for example in your foo.install file you can have '*.py' on one line and it'll grab all the files with a .py extension [12:05] <nopark> thats what i was getting during install, never quit [12:05] <QMario> Does anyone here use KUbuntu? [12:05] <LeaChim> tommi^, any ideas? [12:05] <Amaranth> Octane: look for a source package that has .install files for an example [12:05] <Andares> Not me. [12:06] <raven3x7> nopark ugh thats just weird [12:06] <Amaranth> Octane: mostly any package will have them, try apt-get source bittorrent [12:06] <Octane> Amaranth: what about when you have a package named, foolib but ubuntu needs it to be libfoo [12:06] <hybrid_goth> QMario: try #kubuntu [12:06] <Amaranth> Octane: name it libfoo [12:06] <Octane> Amaranth: thats it no other changes other than those in control? [12:06] <nopark> yeah, the install totally blew up lol [12:06] <nopark> well, just didnt work [12:06] <nopark> ;) [12:06] <tommi^> LeaChim, noup. Not my area of expertise but just out of curiosity, are you using justa a normal installation? [12:06] <Amaranth> Octane: i've never successfully made a package like this :D [12:07] <Amaranth> Octane: that's why i sent you to #ubuntu-motu [12:07] <LeaChim> tommi^, yep [12:07] <Octane> Amaranth: i love the motu name :) [12:07] <tommi^> I installed mysql-server and then noticed that I foolishly messed with the permission. I uninstalled and remove all mysql-server configuration and databases from /var/lib. Now trying to reinstalling mysql-server ends in this: "invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/mysql not found ; invoke-rc.d returned 100 ; There is a MySQL server running, but we failed in our attempts to stop it." How can I fix this? Thanks [12:07] <hybrid_goth> lol [12:08] <nopark> i found a bug on the Debian bug tracker: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=309961 [12:08] <mock> tommi: use _kill -SIGKILL <pid> [12:08] <nopark> is there a way to get around it =/ [12:08] <Andares> _kill not kill? [12:09] <mock> just kill ;) [12:09] <tommi^> LeaChim, so you boot your computer and the error comes instead of gdm? [12:10] <LeaChim> tommi^, no, i'm trying to run another xserver that i can get to via ctrl + alt + f8 [12:12] <linlin> I get this error when compiling this program. Please help! Checking for X... Configure error: Cant find X includes. Please check your installation and add tthe correct paths. [12:12] <linlin> I kindof know what a path is, i jsut know what its asking to o [12:12] <linlin> do*( [12:12] <raven3x7> nopark dunno is this bug in ubuntus bugzilla? if not maybe you should make a report [12:13] <Amaranth> linlin: are you on breezy? [12:13] <linlin> no [12:13] <linlin> 5.04 [12:14] <Amaranth> linlin: ok, install x-window-system-dev [12:14] <linlin> sudo apt-get install blah? [12:14] <nopark> i dont know what im doing though lol i think its the same, but i cant really go and check. i boot up and i get a login, but that damn error message pops up every 3 seconds and doesn't quit. it overwrites everything on the screen =| [12:14] <spudse> Hi I installed ubuntu next to my winxp install today, Grub nicely asked me which OS i wanted to boat on startup. But I had to reinstall winxp again, which had overwritten my MBR, is there any easy way to get grub back? (i a compelte newby) [12:15] <nceterval> Hello, I installed a few packages straight from the .deb (not a repository) which required slightly higher versions of its dependencies than the Ubuntu repositories had. I chose to ignore dependencies, and they installed and operate fine. However, Synaptic has marked them as broken and demands I remove them before making any other changes. How can I specify that I want them left alone? [12:15] <QMario> Will the 'CHAINTECH SLV3-128 Video Card' work with Ubuntu? [12:15] <linlin> spudse theres a guide on the site somewhere that i followed. [12:15] <linlin> if you cant find i i suppose i could jsut send you my grub configuration and you can edit that [12:16] <spudse> linlin, was it easy ? or is a reinstall of ubuntu easier? (i didnt do anything with ubuntu yet since my X config wasnt even right :) [12:16] <linlin> nah, grub-install im pretty sure all [12:16] <spudse> okay thanks [12:16] <linlin> something along the lines of sudo grub-install /dev/hda i think [12:17] <nopark> the guy in the bug report says he thinks its something to do with the SATA-module. if it's the same issue, maybe i can just disable/remove the sata module. is there a boot param i can run that'll disable it? [12:17] <nceterval> QMario: I'm only here for help myself, but might I suggest you test the card out with the Ubuntu or Kubuntu LiveCD? [12:17] <nopark> i have a SATA drive, but it's not what I'm using to install Ubuntu on [12:17] <spudse> linlin, i cant boot into linux/ubuntu, so i cant do console things [12:17] <postmodern> where are the logs to see if apt-get succedded in updating everything? [12:18] <Amaranth> !windows [12:18] <ubotu> I guess windows is Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative [12:18] <linlin> have a live cd handy? [12:18] <Amaranth> hrm [12:18] <spudse> I'll have to dl it [12:18] <cavediver> Hi, do you know if the x problem is over in breezy ? [12:18] <spudse> I think I go for a reinstall :) [12:18] <spudse> i takes only an hour [12:18] <linlin> you can either get a ubuntu live cd, and do what i mentioned, or reinstall [12:18] <raven3x7> nopark i believe ther is one but i dont know it for sure. -nosata maybe you could also try -noirq [12:18] <linlin> whatever you consider easier [12:18] <spudse> yes, thanks :) [12:19] <sexcopter8000m> is there a good but simple cad package out there? [12:19] <nopark> actually the error message spits out "try noirq" somewhere in it. i tried it, but didnt work. i'll see if i can dig anything else up, try it, and get back ;) [12:19] <spudse> do you know how i can boot ubuntu without x ? because x doesnt work so i need to tweak the config [12:19] <raven3x7> sexcopter8000m, qcad? [12:20] <raven3x7> spudse, boot into recovery mode [12:20] <cavediver> spudse: just try ctrl-alt-f1 to bring the console [12:20] <linlin> ok, i installed the x dev packages. and it gets past that part. now ive got this error: Checking for Qt... Configure: Error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) ( headers and libs) not found. [12:20] <postmodern> where are the logs for synatpic/apt-get? [12:20] <spudse> Is a white screen when X starts a known bug with certain systems, or is it just malfunctioning config ? [12:20] <raven3x7> linlin, you need qt development libraries probably [12:21] <spudse> white/blueish it is [12:21] <sexcopter8000m> raven3x7, it doesn't seem to be quite what i want, anything that can do 3D as well? [12:22] <linlin> raven3x7 how may i get those? [12:22] <raven3x7> sexcopter8000m, not that i know of im afraid. i only know blender3d for 3d but its not a cad app [12:23] <postmodern> is there a quick way i can tell if my ubuntu system is updated? [12:23] <raven3x7> linlin use synaptic and search for qt. development libraries are marked with -dev [12:23] <linlin> if theres a red icon upper right then you need to update postmodern [12:23] <Amaranth> postmodern: synaptic [12:24] <linlin> next to clock [12:24] <tikka> Anyone here want to talk to with me about ATI Radeon, ubuntu, lack of direct rendering and overal slowness? [12:24] <postmodern> linlin, excellent [12:24] <sexcopter8000m> ok, thanks raven3x7 [12:24] <Amaranth> !info xorg-driver-fglrx [12:24] <python_> tikka, ATI is the problem not Ubuntu [12:24] <ubotu> xorg-driver-fglrx: (Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators), section restricted/misc, is optional. Version: 6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu11 (hoary), Packaged size: 3110 kB, Installed size: 9940 kB [12:25] <Amaranth> *cough* [12:25] <raven3x7> sexcopter8000m, i think its very unlikely that you;ll find a opensource or free 3d cad app [12:25] <VelvetElvis> anyone have a suggestion as to how I can package and use libvorbis-1.1.1 and vorbistools-1.1.1 without replacing the existing ogg stuff and screwing ups deps? [12:25] <python_> i think there are some cad apps [12:26] <VelvetElvis> there's a massive CAD ap that the US military made OS a few months back [12:26] <python_> whos after a CAD app? [12:26] <VelvetElvis> it's what they use for desiging tanks or whatever [12:27] <linlin> sexcopter8000m [12:27] <raven3x7> linlin its libqt3-dev if you havent found it [12:27] <linlin> yup, got it [12:27] <linlin> thanks :)))) [12:27] <tikka> Amaranth, Thanks for that altho.. aptitude reports I already have that [12:28] <tikka> 0000:02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4153 [12:28] <tikka> 0000:02:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4173 [12:28] <VelvetElvis> or more specificly, how do I package and install multiple versions of the same library? [12:28] <tikka> i guess it relates to that also [12:28] <python_> Theres a great open source app called CYCAS [12:28] <python_> CYCAS CAD PACKAGE CAN BE FOUND AT:-http://www.cycas.de/ [12:29] <Razor-X> python_: no need to shout [12:29] <Razor-X> it seems more like you're advertising [12:30] <python_> sorry [12:30] <python_> never meant to do that [12:30] <[Spooky] > is tuxracer included in apt-get ? [12:30] <Razor-X> [Spooky] : yeahp [12:30] <linlin> personally, his link is not double clickable...i would never goto it [12:30] <linlin> so if you ARE advertising... [12:30] <python_> not advertising, just letting the community know there is software out there [12:30] <sexcopter8000m> python_, that looks cool! :) [12:30] <Razor-X> time to get back to reading my zsh guide [12:31] <linlin> theres a tip :P [12:31] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: i may have found a real cool TTS [12:31] <Razor-X> linlin: I can't double-click any link on my terminal [12:31] <[Spooky] > Razor-X: cool [12:31] <VelvetElvis> http://www.brlcad.org/ [12:31] <linlin> well advertising a CAD app hes obviosuly targeting gui users [12:31] <VelvetElvis> that's a hardcore CAD ap if you're looking for professional engenering stuff [12:31] <linlin> who usually use gui irc clients, which can double click :P [12:31] <Razor-X> or single-click, or in any way translate anywhere from 0-2 keystrokes of my mouse into ``Browser open and display URL'' [12:31] <Razor-X> linlin: ahh, true that ;) [12:31] <linlin> heheh ;) [12:31] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: use gpm [12:32] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: isn't gpm included with Ubuntu? [12:32] <Razor-X> I remember gpm years back on my first Debian distro, the first app I got working right ;) [12:32] <terrex> i think it's in universe [12:32] <hybrid_goth> no [12:32] <Razor-X> dude, that's fscking stupid! [12:32] <hybrid_goth> yea its in universe [12:32] <Razor-X> gpm is included in Debian [12:32] <hybrid_goth> not in default though [12:32] <Razor-X> gah, they should include it [12:32] <hybrid_goth> lol [12:33] <python_> VelvetElvis that app looks good, now you see community it shows you that there is lots of tools out there available for you to use and improve [12:33] <Razor-X> my dad would probably like that app [12:33] <cavediver> Is there a specific chan for Breezy ? [12:33] <hybrid_goth> why? [12:33] <Razor-X> but, CAD isn't my thing, nor will it ever [12:33] <Razor-X> (least I think so) [12:33] <hybrid_goth> cavediver: err ubuntu-dev? [12:34] <hybrid_goth> i hate CAD [12:34] <crimsun> cavediver: no [12:34] <cavediver> I see. [12:34] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: where's it located at? [12:34] <Razor-X> gpm, I mean [12:34] <python_> Yes but as an Linux operating system we need to have a variety of apps to offer to a wide variety of interests [12:34] <hybrid_goth> it is in apt [12:34] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: I mean, after installation [12:34] <hybrid_goth> err [12:35] <cavediver> Anyone know if there are breezy cd snapshots to download. So I wont have to install hoary first. [12:35] <Razor-X> cavediver: is there a reason you want Breezy that you're willing to forsake trying Ubuntu in general? [12:35] <hybrid_goth> in /etc/X/xfree86rc i think is where you tell X to use it [12:35] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: can't you call it on your own? [12:35] <hybrid_goth> yea but it is kinda buggy that way with a gui [12:36] <hybrid_goth> or i have been told [12:36] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: where is the executable located at? [12:36] <hybrid_goth> not sure [12:36] <Razor-X> (I can always go to a tty and do it) [12:36] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: I don't feel like updatedb'ing ;) [12:36] <hybrid_goth> lol [12:37] <cavediver> Razor-X: have tried it before and went back to hoary. Want to dual-boot and watch the progress on breezy. [12:37] <cavediver> Just out of curousity. [12:37] <hybrid_goth> cavediver: chroot [12:37] <Razor-X> cavediver: hmm, i'm not sure, I don't think so though [12:37] <Razor-X> although, you can be the first person to create a sort of CD like that [12:37] <cavediver> Well, maybe I will. [12:37] <Razor-X> just a little poll, what's the favorite partition backup tool for you people? [12:37] <hybrid_goth> lol [12:38] <hybrid_goth> back up? [12:38] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: partition backup [12:38] <Razor-X> I have my preference, but I want to see [12:38] <krusty2712> retrospect ;) [12:38] <VelvetElvis> tar + mv? [12:38] <Razor-X> haha [12:38] <cavediver> Razor-X: dd [12:38] <Razor-X> kickass! [12:38] <hybrid_goth> lol [12:38] <Razor-X> a dd user [12:38] <Razor-X> that's the purist's way XD [12:39] <Razor-X> dd if=/dev/partition of=/backup/foodate [12:39] <Razor-X> then simply burn /backup/foodate ;) [12:39] <Razor-X> mmmm, the awesomeness of dd [12:39] <cavediver> I do all kinds of stuff using dd, it's fun. [12:40] <cavediver> :) [12:40] <Razor-X> like formatting stuff [12:40] <Razor-X> really useful for that [12:40] <Razor-X> dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/fd0 [12:40] <Razor-X> the end-all blanking tool ;) [12:40] <cavediver> Yes, and /dev/random is fun for overwriting stuff :) [12:40] <Razor-X> yeah, heh [12:40] <Razor-X> well, also, cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp is also pretty fun [12:40] <Razor-X> hmmmm, I got an idea! [12:41] <Razor-X> aggghhh, that didn't work -_- [12:41] <raven3x7> cavediver there was a link to snaoshot at distrowatch [12:41] <wdh> cavediver, dont forget to do it 35 times :P [12:41] <Razor-X> wdh: if you want to securely delete something, check out ``dban'' [12:42] <Razor-X> also really good for corrupt harddisks [12:42] <Razor-X> because, a lot of the times, the partition table is so screwy, that all partitions refuse to install [12:42] <cavediver> wdh: 35 ! I do it like 1000 times :) Don't want those darn enemies to have my secrets :=) [12:42] <Razor-X> and no program wants to wipe the partition table, because it's so damned corrupt [12:43] <Razor-X> mmmm [12:43] <Razor-X> dban [12:43] <Razor-X> ;) [12:43] <Razor-X> raven3x7: I switched to Dvorak to increase my speed [12:43] <Razor-X> and my accuracy, obviously [12:43] <crimsun> I switched because of RSI [12:43] <Razor-X> crimsun: i'm not that old yet [12:44] <crimsun> it's not age-dependent, really. [12:44] <Razor-X> well, it's usage-dependant [12:44] <Razor-X> and age is a huge limiting factor of usage [12:44] <raven3x7> whats Dvorak? [12:44] <hybrid_goth> keyboard map [12:44] <Razor-X> raven3x7: alternate keyboard layout that was scientifically designed to be more effecient [12:45] <Razor-X> the home row is ``aoeu id htns'' [12:45] <raven3x7> i doubt there is a greek keyboard that uses that [12:45] <searcher`> raven3x7: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard [12:45] <hybrid_goth> yea "better" in the forties [12:45] <crimsun> it's more comfortable for me, which helps since I need my wrists for drumming [12:45] <Razor-X> note that vowels are on the left hand, and the right hand has the most used consonant pairs [12:45] <Razor-X> raven3x7: there probably is one [12:45] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: and QWERTY was made after the forties? [12:45] <resiak> Razor-X: I'm getting RSI at 18. [12:46] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: now qwert is older! [12:46] <Razor-X> resiak: i'm three years younger than you are [12:46] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: exactly [12:46] <Razor-X> and, the world's fastest typist (at the moment) is a Dvorak typist [12:46] <hybrid_goth> i want the quantimus [12:46] <searcher`> QWERTY was actually designed to slow the typist down so you wouldn't get the lint cought in the typewriter [12:46] <resiak> Razor-X: You got any faster because of Dvorak? I haven't. But it's comfier. [12:46] <hybrid_goth> or w/e [12:46] <CzarAlex> What is the command line to rename a directory? I want to rename /mnt/torrents to /mnt/media [12:46] <nopark> im back, and it didn't work :( I tried noirq, irqpoll and nosata. the error was still coming up. [12:46] <Razor-X> resiak: I got faster by 39 WPM [12:46] <resiak> searcher`: No, it was designed to not have adjacent keys used. [12:46] <Razor-X> s/39/30/ [12:46] <crimsun> CzarAlex: mv [12:46] <resiak> Razor-X: Right. I didn't. :) [12:46] <CzarAlex> crimsun, thank you [12:46] <Razor-X> searcher`: not all the way correct [12:47] <searcher`> well, it was one of the reasons :-) [12:47] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex: mv /mnt/torrents /mnt/media [12:47] <Razor-X> QWERTY was the most effecient layout without causing keys to jam, by eliminating key pairs [12:47] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, thank you. [12:47] <hybrid_goth> np [12:47] <nopark> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/831, see lines 4-39, that's the message that keeps coming up. i passed the debug param so the output is a little more then usual [12:47] <Razor-X> once the jamming limitation is gone, it's much faster to do something else [12:47] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: we need a new map [12:47] <raven3x7> Razor-X, greek uses a different alphabet with more letters [12:47] <Razor-X> raven3x7: there's Russian Dvorak [12:47] <Razor-X> Spanish Dvorak [12:47] <Razor-X> ;) [12:48] <ryan_> can you do a remote desktop with ubuntu? like someone else remotly connecting to my machine? [12:48] <Razor-X> http://www.hornetranslations.com/keyboardsenca.shtml [12:48] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: so where's gpm? [12:48] <cavediver> ryan_: ssh can do that [12:48] <Razor-X> ryan_: you can do that [12:48] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: put it in xorg's rc [12:48] <Razor-X> cavediver: Remote Desktop, i'm assuming he means GUI access [12:49] <raven3x7> ill check it out to see if there is [12:49] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: where's the executable path? [12:49] <cavediver> Razor-X: yes i misread that. [12:49] <ryan_> is there a graphical one, where the user see's my desktop as i would cavediver/ Razor-X [12:49] <hybrid_goth> or do dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver [12:49] <Razor-X> remember, everything's parsed by zsh [12:49] <Razor-X> and zsh can't find gpm if I type it in the prompt like that [12:49] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: gpm should call it or it starts up automatically [12:49] <hybrid_goth> idk [12:49] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: ``locate gdm'' [12:49] <ryan_> is there a graphical one, where the user see's my desktop as i would cavediver/ Razor-X [12:50] <raven3x7> ryan_, freenx? [12:50] <Razor-X> ahh, fuck it, i'll do a updatedb anyways [12:50] <Razor-X> raven3x7: it's a bitch to install [12:50] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: i aint on ubuntu [12:50] <ryan_> raven3x7, ill try that [12:50] <Razor-X> ryan_: VNC is one [12:50] <Razor-X> (google TightVNC) [12:50] <Razor-X> XDMCP is faster, albeit much less secure [12:50] <Razor-X> that changes if you tunnel it through SSH [12:51] <hybrid_goth> i want this keyboard http://artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/ [12:51] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, uh oh. that torrents directory was where I mounted a second hard drive to. Now, after using the mv command to rename that directory, its (now called media) is associated with my first hard drive. How do I fix this so its associated with the second hd? [12:51] <shammy> Hi, i just installed ubuntu, i'm a linux newbie. Once it was done installing, i rebooted and the rest of the packages installed, but it couldnt start x server.. what do I need to do? [12:51] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex: err try man link [12:51] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, thank you. [12:51] <hybrid_goth> np [12:52] <cavediver> Razor-X: look what I found: http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/dvd/current/ [12:53] <raven3x7> Razor-X, i never used it.i just know about [12:53] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, okay so I want to use link /mnt/media <file2> ..in this case, what is file 2? [12:54] <hybrid_goth> where it goes on the 2nd hdd [12:54] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, the second HD was called /mnt/torrents but that appears to be gone. [12:54] <Luna-Tick> Good morning all (or afternoon) [12:55] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex: ok you will need to tell /etc/fstab to have the 2nd hdd mnt at /mnt/media [12:55] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, is there a help file on that? or what is the command to do that. [12:56] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex: sudo gedit /etc/fstab and you will see hdb1 /mnt/torrents/ change torrents to media [12:56] <nopark> do the items in the pastebin stay for ever? can i link to it on the forum as well? (i dont know if they get cleaned off every 24 hours or something) [12:56] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, thanks. [12:56] <hybrid_goth> np [12:56] <Razor-X> thanks a lot hybrid_goth! [12:56] <Razor-X> updatedb is still going! [12:56] <Razor-X> :( [12:57] <Razor-X> just fon one measely little app [12:57] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: what [12:57] <hybrid_goth> ? [12:57] <Razor-X> it's taking ages [12:57] <hybrid_goth> lol [12:57] <Razor-X> it's been 6 minutes [12:57] <hybrid_goth> now you know how my torrent is going [12:58] <Razor-X> oh yeah, and for those of you who are picky about time like me, the ntp servers are off the official US Observatory time by 2 seconds [12:58] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: time sucks [12:58] <hybrid_goth> abstact [12:59] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, thank second hd would be called hdb1? i dont see that listed in fstab [12:59] <Razor-X> well, the only time standard nowadays is those thingies [12:59] <Luna-Tick> Does anyone know how to get the irc-helper plugin for Gaim going in Ubuntu - there doesn't seem to be an Ubuntu package? [12:59] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex: what about hda2? [12:59] <phixion> bah wine is a useless pos. can't get partypoker working :/ someone get it working for me! :D [12:59] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, nope. [01:00] <hybrid_goth> phixion: do you need java for party poker? [01:00] <phixion> im not sure [01:00] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex: do you see hd anything? [01:00] <hybrid_goth> phixion: i doubt wine will help there [01:00] <phixion> hybrid_goth, partypoker.com :) [01:00] <hybrid_goth> you'll need a) flash or b) java [01:00] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, ive got hda1 and hda5. Also hdc which is mounted to /media/cdrom0 and hdd which is mounted to /media/cdrom1 (is that the same media is just made?) [01:01] <hybrid_goth> where does hda5 mount? [01:01] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, the drive was empty so I wont lose anything If I have to reformat and remount and all that. hda5 mounts to none and is type - swap [01:01] <hybrid_goth> ah [01:02] <hybrid_goth> how many cdrom drives do you have? [01:02] <drummer87> hi all, when using samba, can i write to an NTFS drive on an XP box through samba? [01:02] <tikka> drummer87, provided u have write permission on the windows box. yes [01:02] <bcc|graf> drummer87, sure [01:02] <SmasSive> hi [01:02] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, 2 [01:03] <drummer87> I know writing to NTFS is not normally safe, but don't know if/how samba is different [01:03] <hybrid_goth> ok the /media/cdrom are for you cdroms [01:03] <tikka> ur using the windows machine to do that work [01:03] <drummer87> so it won't do anything wierd? [01:03] <ChrisC_> wow, there's a lot of people on this channel :) [01:03] <tikka> linux plays no part in that side of it.. [01:03] <hybrid_goth> hda1 is you main harddrive [01:03] <drummer87> ok, thanks [01:03] <hybrid_goth> hda5 is swap needed by linux [01:03] <bcc|graf> drummer87, samba will not write but the winxp box does [01:03] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, okay. How do I get that second hd to be associated with /mnt/media (or any other suitable name) [01:03] <codecaine> anyone using cisco vpn client [01:04] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex: is it partitioned? [01:04] <ChrisC_> Does vncviewer appear on the Gnome menu somewhere (e.g. as "remote desktop") or must I launch via command line until I figure out how to add it myself? [01:04] <Luna-Tick> Anyone know the status of the silc plugin for gaim? [01:04] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, it was, yes. Should still be unless what just happened with mv negated that. [01:04] <socomm> Luna-Tick: /join #gaim [01:05] <Luna-Tick> I was meaning for Ubuntu [01:05] <hybrid_goth> phixion: whatch ubotu [01:05] <hybrid_goth> !java [01:05] <ubotu> java is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added. [01:05] <Luna-Tick> There doesn't seem to be a package for it [01:06] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex: umm i would try to add this in there /dev/hdb1/ /mnt/media default 0 0 [01:06] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, hda2 shows up in gparted [01:06] <codecaine> anybody in here using cisco vpn client? [01:06] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex: then add it in fstab [01:06] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, as mentioned above? [01:07] <hybrid_goth> like i said above [01:07] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, okay. [01:07] <hybrid_goth> yup [01:07] <Chaotic_Shield> Hi, I'm using a Dell laptop. How can I configure my wireless card to work with Ubuntu: [01:07] <hybrid_goth> Chaotic_Shield: iwconfig is usefull [01:07] <Luna-Tick> Chaotic - it should just work... is it an ipw2200? [01:07] <Chaotic_Shield> dunno Luna-Tick [01:07] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, what type? (i assume default was for the options argument) [01:08] <hybrid_goth> what do you mean what type? [01:08] <Chaotic_Shield> hybrid_goth, all that comes up is no wireless extensions. [01:08] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, gparted calls it extended. the fields for me to fill in are: <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> [01:08] <hybrid_goth> make it look like /dev/hda1 except for the mnt point and /dev/hda2 [01:09] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, okay. [01:09] <hybrid_goth> ext3 fs [01:09] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, onces saved, do i need to do anything else? [01:09] <ChrisC_> Does vncviewer appear on the Gnome menu somewhere (e.g. as "remote desktop") or must I launch via command line until I figure out how to add it myself? [01:09] <ChrisC_> side note: it would be nice if ubuntuguide mentioned the GUI paths to apps, not just CLI [01:09] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex: shouldnt except maybe mount -a or mount /dev/hda2 [01:10] <hybrid_goth> Chaotic_Shield: man iwconfig [01:10] <harkeyahh> :-p [01:11] <that> hey guys i need some help regarding codecs [01:12] <socomm> !ask [01:12] <ubotu> No idea, socomm [01:12] <brammator> question about vpn pptp: starting it from HH 5.04 (pptpclient GUI), server displays "PPTP connection established from 172.16.x.x", packet/byte counters runs like mad, and no interface is configured at all. [01:12] <socomm> !question [01:12] <ubotu> No idea, socomm [01:12] <hybrid_goth> that: ask [01:12] <brammator> what's wrong? [01:12] <socomm> !smart question [01:12] <ubotu> socomm: No idea [01:12] <hybrid_goth> lol [01:12] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, it worked. thank you very much. [01:12] <that> i cant seem to get any play back on my media play when i launch and then play a song it freezes [01:12] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex: good! np [01:13] <hybrid_goth> mp3? [01:13] <socomm> that: Have you installed all the proper codecs? [01:13] <hybrid_goth> that: taken a look at /Restricted? [01:13] <socomm> !restricted [01:13] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [01:13] <hybrid_goth> !restricted [01:13] <harkeyahh> Is ubuntu easier to install/use than sourcemage? [01:13] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, now im going to try to link /var/www/scon to /mnt/media/test .. :\ [01:13] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex: heh [01:13] <socomm> harkeyahh: Some would say that. [01:14] <that> its mp3 [01:14] <harkeyahh> Well, I'm I some training wheels linux socomm I think ubuntu would do the trick [01:14] <harkeyahh> I need some* [01:14] <hybrid_goth> harkeyahh: isnt no OSX install thats for sure but also isnt a slack install [01:14] <hybrid_goth> that: watch ubotu [01:14] <hybrid_goth> !restricted [01:14] <ubotu> restricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [01:15] <harkeyahh> I had a successful install of sourcemage, but I can't get anything else to work quite so well [01:15] <Chaotic_Shield> hybrid_goth, I'm really confused by what to do with iwconfig. I'm a Linux newb. [01:15] <hybrid_goth> =/ [01:15] <harkeyahh> ubuntu comes with gnome already installed? [01:15] <socomm> harkeyahh: Try ubuntu out and see which fits your needs better. [01:15] <Chaotic_Shield> yes harkeyahh [01:15] <CzarAlex> harkeyahh, yes [01:15] <hybrid_goth> yup [01:15] <hybrid_goth> or kubuntu has kde [01:16] <harkeyahh> okay socomm I have a live disc I'll try it I like kde I might go with kubuntu [01:16] <socomm> harkeyahh: Great, good luck and hope you enjoy using GNU/Linux. [01:16] <harkeyahh> thnx much [01:17] <spity|s> hi guys [01:18] <Chaotic_Shield> I'm confused. [01:18] <CzarAlex> Okay. If i understand this correctally, Im trying to have /var/www/scon point to /mnt/media/test . I used the command and example found at http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mapURLstofoldersoutsidewww to edit the proper file. I did so, saved it and quit, but it appears as if the link isnt happening, does anyone have either any suggestions, or perhaps a sample file with variables already filled in for me to look at incase im just doing it w [01:18] <CzarAlex> rong? [01:19] <Chaotic_Shield> what exactly do I do with iwconfig? It just says that all of the 3 network interfaces I have don't have wireless extensions. [01:19] <hybrid_goth> man iwconfig [01:19] <Chaotic_Shield> I did. [01:19] <Chaotic_Shield> It confused me further. [01:19] <hybrid_goth> okay [01:20] <hybrid_goth> you using ubuntu or kubuntu? [01:20] <Chaotic_Shield> ubuntu [01:20] <Luna-Tick> Can anyone here tell me about how the packaging in Ubuntu is done - is it a sponsor arrangement like Debian [01:20] <hybrid_goth> and the card works but doesnt see you wlan or doesnt work? [01:20] <Chaotic_Shield> The Device manager sees it, but nothing else does. [01:20] <hybrid_goth> Luna-Tick: i would ask a MOTU [01:21] <hybrid_goth> Chaotic_Shield: ok i would suggest using err maybe kisnet to see if that helps [01:21] <Chaotic_Shield> ? [01:22] <Chaotic_Shield> I'm confused even more. :-P [01:22] <hybrid_goth> nvm [01:22] <CzarAlex> the first line of the alias needs to be Alias /URL-path /location_of_folder/ .. what all do i edit in that line? Obviously the location_of_folder/ ..what about the URL-path? and which is which? which becomes /var/www/scon and which becaomes /mnt/media/test [01:23] <Chaotic_Shield> CzarAlex, are you trying to configure Apache? [01:23] <CzarAlex> Chaotic_Shield, yeah. its up and running, I just want to use a dir outside of /var/www and im having problems getting it to work. [01:24] <Chaotic_Shield> oh. [01:24] <Chaotic_Shield> that's easy. [01:24] <CzarAlex> Chaotic_Shield, do tell :) [01:24] <Chaotic_Shield> Alias /scon /mnt/media/test [01:24] <Chaotic_Shield> :) [01:24] <andy_> i have the same prob ;) [01:24] <Chaotic_Shield> I configed Apache back when Windows had a monopoly on my HDD. [01:24] <CzarAlex> Chaotic_Shield, save the file ..then what? [01:24] <Chaotic_Shield> rehash. [01:24] <andy_> in what file that has to come? [01:24] <CzarAlex> Chaotic_Shield, define rehash [01:24] <Chaotic_Shield> restart. [01:25] <CzarAlex> Chaotic_Shield, ok [01:25] <CzarAlex> Chaotic_Shield, / at the end of test? [01:25] <Chaotic_Shield> no. [01:25] <andy_> is that alias line to be in httpd.conf?? [01:25] <Chaotic_Shield> yes. [01:25] <andy_> thx [01:25] <CzarAlex> Chaotic_Shield, what about <Directory /mnt/media/test/> ? / or no / [01:26] <Chaotic_Shield> look in Apache online docs. [01:26] <Chaotic_Shield> away, dinner. [01:28] <Cin> i pressed/click some shortcut and have lost my start bar on ubuntu [01:28] <Cin> lol [01:28] <Cin> :( [01:31] <iceman2k> anyone running duel boot windows xp 64 and ubuntu 64 [01:33] <Luna-Tick> Farewell all :) [01:33] <xie> I'm having problems with a clean install of Hoary. ;\ [01:35] <FlyingSquirrell3> how can I tell what speed processor I have and What VCard I have? [01:36] <majic> something like: cat /proc/cpuinfo [01:36] <majic> I think that's it [01:36] <majic> video card can be found out with lspci prolly [01:36] <xie> When I'm trying to partition the drive, it hangs at 6% or 8% [01:37] <xie> Every time, I've tried 3x now [01:37] <Linoleum> coucou y a KK1 ? [01:38] <desrt> cocteau t w ins? [01:38] <desrt> oh yes. i think so. [01:39] <bonvenon> Linoleum, desrt: vad r det dr fr sprk? = what language is that? ;) [01:39] <xie> No ideas? -\ [01:39] <desrt> cocteau twins are a band from scotland... so i'd guess english [01:40] <bonvenon> oh [01:40] <jip> xie, check your disk for errors [01:40] <FlyingSquirrell3> majic: cool, it worked thanks. [01:40] <xie> jip, I had a copy of the old Ubuntu on the disk [01:40] <xie> It didnt support my video card, so I am installing this one [01:41] <majic> FlyingSquirrel32, sweet! [01:41] <FlyingSquirrell3> majic: when I go to System > Preferences > Screen Resolution I only get 640x480 [01:41] <FlyingSquirrell3> how do I change that? [01:41] <jip> your disk might still be fscked up :P [01:41] <xie> true, but I'd rather pretend it's not because I don't have another one :D [01:41] <FlyingSquirrell3> majic: it's not nvidia [01:42] <majic> FlyingSquirrel32, I'm new to Ubuntu. If I was on another distro I'd probably use xorgconfig [01:42] <majic> or whatever the name of it is [01:42] <pweyers> hi, squirrel, i have the same problem [01:42] <pweyers> i can only get 800x600 [01:43] <majic> infact I'm so new that it hasn't even finished loading yet... just blew away my gentoo [01:43] <pweyers> configuring the xorg.conf doesnt help, neither does the 855resolution patch [01:43] <FlyingSquirrell3> pweyers: I did this a while ago and we have to modify a file. Do you have nvidia? [01:43] <bonvenon> FlyingSquirrell3: you probably just need to edit your xorg.conf [01:44] <pweyers> no, i have an intel 855 GM/GME sort of thing [01:44] <bonvenon> ...you can find it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf [01:44] <FlyingSquirrell3> bonvenon: yah, that's it, what section? [01:44] <AdmiralSenn> well hello everyone [01:44] <AdmiralSenn> ...again [01:44] <pweyers> i have tried all possible setups of the xorg.conf :) [01:44] <LinuxJones> FlyingSquirrell3, >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto [01:44] <AdmiralSenn> got a question here [01:45] <bonvenon> FlyingSquirrell3: it's the screen section [01:45] <AdmiralSenn> is there a way to change the icon that displays in the corner of an application's window? [01:46] <Kyozabe> ok [01:46] <Kyozabe> What's that command again...? [01:46] <LinuxJones> AdmiralSenn, System >> Preferences >> Themes>> Theme Details >> Icons [01:46] <Kyozabe> I mean [01:46] <Kyozabe> For the Error 22 thing in grub [01:47] <AdmiralSenn> thanks [01:48] <FlyingSquirrell3> pweyers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto [01:48] <pweyers> thx, i am reading thru this now [01:48] <AdmiralSenn> LinuxJones: err that doesn't have anything for any of my apps [01:49] <AdmiralSenn> so I just put icons in the .icons folder? [01:49] <AdmiralSenn> or what? [01:49] <bonvenon> AdmiralSenn: whay apps are we talking about? [01:49] <Kyozabe> Dang, doesn't anyone here have a log from a few hours ago? >.< [01:49] <AdmiralSenn> Blender and Firefox [01:49] <LinuxJones> AdmiralSenn, sorry I misunderstood the question :( [01:49] <AdmiralSenn> LinuxJones: 's ok [01:49] <Myrtti> I'm at Assembly and would like to watch a Commodore64 demo with my Ubuntu laptop. I've installed VICE but the program says it needs kernal rom to operate. I've used the google but am lost about what to do. Help? [01:50] <AdmiralSenn> for example, Blender's icon in the corner of its window is the blank window icon [01:50] <AdmiralSenn> and I want to change firefox's to the orange one [01:51] <Myrtti> google "ubuntu firefox icon take back" [01:51] <bonvenon> AdmiralSenn: http://ubuntuguide.org/#restoreoriginaliconsfirefox [01:52] <deprave> is it possible to get avi codec running on ubuntu? [01:52] <shammy> i just installed ubuntu, and i cant get xorg configured. I ran xorgcfg -textmode and entered everything corresponding with my hardware.. but still xserver wont worl. What do I need to do? [01:53] <bonvenon> shammy: got any error messages you would like to share? [01:53] <Hoxzer> is there any other torrent client that can choose what to download from the torrent than azureus? [01:53] <D1> are there any 3d shooter games in synaptic? [01:53] <Hoxzer> couse Azureus is realy heavy [01:53] <toad3030> i'm having problems with my resolution, i have addes 1280x1024 in the config, but it still won't show up in my settings......anybody have an idea to help me out? [01:54] <ColonelKernel> azureus rules!!! it isnt heavy [01:54] <D1> is azureus only for torrents? [01:54] <Hoxzer> :D eh... [01:54] <Hoxzer> Azureus is.. [01:54] <Hoxzer> all my downloads slow down couse it is so heavy [01:54] <deprave> where do you swank pimps go for your torrens these days since suprnova is down [01:54] <deprave> ? [01:54] <LasseL> I run azureus via X forwarding on my fileserver -- that way the file servers takes the memory hit :) [01:54] <shammy> bonvenon: all i get on start up is a message stating x server cannot be started it is likely it is not set up properly [01:54] <Hoxzer> even if I diffrend client running [01:55] <Hoxzer> the download speed keep jumping up and donw [01:55] <D1> I thought azureus used to have a lot of protocols besides torrent [01:55] <D1> what happened to that? [01:55] <deprave> where do you swank pimps go for your torrents these days since suprnova is down [01:55] <ColonelKernel> youre thinking shareaza maybe [01:55] <bonvenon> shammy: it use to output some messages too. [01:55] <D1> I thought it used to support gift, fasttrack, etc. [01:56] <Hoxzer> Deprave: torrentbytes, finbytes, datamoon, filelist, pornbits, xxx-tracker, empornium, puretna [01:56] <Hoxzer> existi [01:56] <shammy> bonvenon: do you mean the detailed error message it asks you if you want to view? I'll need to go boot it to get that, i can't remember it offhand [01:56] <Hoxzer> torretbytes has seeder/leecher ratio over 800% ;) [01:57] <Kyozabe> ok, uh [01:57] <hybrid_goth> Hoxzer: where is this? [01:57] <Kyozabe> is the command in windows XP to fix the booting problem I got with grub after deleting the linux partition [01:57] <bonvenon> shammy: try sudo less /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE [01:57] <Hoxzer> www.torrentbytes.net [01:57] <Kyozabe> fmbr? [01:57] <Kyozabe> or something like that? [01:57] <AdmiralSenn> bonvenon: okay, firefox works [01:57] <Hoxzer> you have to wait alot before they open signup [01:58] <shammy> ok bonvenon, thanks i'll go try that [01:58] <AdmiralSenn> now to figure out how blender does it [01:58] <Hoxzer> and if you get account you have to keep your share ratio over 1 to be sure that you dont get banned [01:58] <deprave> is it possible to get avi codec running on ubuntu? [01:59] <bonvenon> AdmiralSenn: ok. I don't know about blender. I haven't got that problem with my blender installation [01:59] <AdmiralSenn> hm [01:59] <AdmiralSenn> I was hoping there was some kind of dialog to do it [01:59] <bonvenon> shammy: if you want to see the whole log file simply use sudo less /var/log/Xorg.0.log [02:01] <paulproteus> deprave: RestrictedFormats [02:01] <paulproteus> !restrictedformats [02:01] <ubotu> restrictedformats is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs' [02:02] <norhted> when i want to move something in /usr/local/ can i do it from GUI? [02:02] <AdmiralSenn> well this is rather frustrating [02:02] <GRUMBLE> GR.... I am wicked frustrated [02:03] <bonvenon> AdmiralSenn: take it easy. after all it's just an icon ;) [02:03] <AdmiralSenn> bonvenon: but.. but... [02:03] <AdmiralSenn> HULK SMASH [02:03] <GRUMBLE> hehe [02:03] <GRUMBLE> so I installed the stuff after the livecd worked perfectly. [02:03] <GRUMBLE> and it halts after gnome loads [02:03] <GRUMBLE> full on halts [02:03] <shammy> bonvenon: it came back with EE no device detected [02:04] <GRUMBLE> I've got a p4 1g mem. [02:04] <GRUMBLE> can someone help [02:05] <bonvenon> shammy: can you see what device it's trying to use? [02:05] <AdmiralSenn> GRUMBLE: does it do it consistently? [02:05] <GRUMBLE> every time [02:05] <GRUMBLE> I've reinstalled [02:05] <GRUMBLE> 3 times [02:05] <AdmiralSenn> dang [02:05] <segphault> I have a dvd burning issue. My dvd burner has 8x write speed, and k3b recognizes it as such, but for some reason it won't burn faster than about 2x [02:05] <GRUMBLE> I dont even know the error log anymore [02:05] <GRUMBLE> and I think I dont like gnome [02:05] <GRUMBLE> but its better than KDE [02:06] <shammy> bonvenon: you mean the card? when i do xorgcfg -textmode it recognizes the correct video card [02:06] <GRUMBLE> AdmiralSenn: I have inconsistant OK starts when I've gone in through failsafe console [02:06] <GRUMBLE> but I really dont know what to do at that point [02:06] <GRUMBLE> I dont know what to reconfigure [02:06] <segphault> it's taking 40 minutes to burn a DVD in Ubuntu, and it only takes about 8 in debian. What could cause that problem? [02:07] <GRUMBLE> segphault: have you tried setting params? [02:07] <Adross> how do i unjerkify dvd playback? [02:07] <bonvenon> shammy: I guess the device might be any required device... mouse, keyboard and so on. not just the card [02:08] <GRUMBLE> Adross: stop touching yourself [02:08] <GRUMBLE> ? [02:08] <jk_> Hey, im running ubuntu on my laptop, and I was wondering if it is possible to change the default event when I "close" the screen? [02:08] <GRUMBLE> jk_: yes [02:08] <Adross> GRUMBLE: aha, ahaha, ahahaha, do you write? Really, you should, No one would of thought that one up [02:08] <shammy> bonvenon: i'm using a wireless mouse and keyboard, the keyboard obviously isn't having any problems.. but shold i try using a wired mouse and keyboad anyway? [02:08] <segphault> GRUMBLE, params? [02:08] <GRUMBLE> Adross: I only write when I need to [02:08] <raven3x7> !tell Adross about dma [02:09] <jk_> can you tell me how? [02:09] <GRUMBLE> jk: no, I cant [02:09] <GRUMBLE> i dont know [02:09] <Adross> wow [02:09] <Adross> that was informative [02:09] <GRUMBLE> I seriously need to get this crap working. [02:09] <Adross> i mean, seriously [02:09] <Adross> that was cool [02:09] <Adross> can i take him home? [02:09] <jk_> have any idea where i can find out :/ [02:10] <Adross> well, thanks guys, cya later [02:10] <GRUMBLE> jk_: what kind of laptop? what brand, model, [02:10] <GRUMBLE> and what are you trying to change it to/from [02:10] <bonvenon> shammy: cant you run sudo less /var/log/Xorg.0.log and search for the error line. then you might find some previous lines that gives you a better idea of what the problem is [02:10] <ubuntu> hellooooo girls [02:10] <GRUMBLE> heya there assyneck! [02:11] <segphault> jk_: you might want to look here - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ [02:11] <jk_> acer travelmate 290 [02:11] <GRUMBLE> segphault: yeah! thats the one! [02:11] <AdmiralSenn> is there a terminal command to make something use a certain icon? [02:11] <shammy> bonvenon: how do I search for the error line? [02:11] <stevenj> can someone please help-Rhythmbox is completly locked up and I completly uninstall it and install it back and its still locked up....is there some config file I can manually delete thank! [02:11] <raven3x7> is there a tool in ubuntu to create .deb packages from source code? [02:11] <bonvenon> shammy: just scroll down until you find it [02:11] <GRUMBLE> stevenj: have you tried to dl the source and build it? [02:11] <segphault> raven3x7: it's called 'checkinstall' [02:11] <shammy> ok [02:12] <segphault> raven3x7: http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ [02:12] <stevenj> GRUMBLE, I have never compiled anything [02:12] <ubuntu> holaaaaaaaaaaaa [02:12] <GRUMBLE> I think the command is apt-get source 'pkgname' -b [02:12] <bonvenon> shammy: all error messages are supposed to start with (EE). that's why we used grep EE earlier [02:12] <GRUMBLE> not sure... [02:12] <segphault> raven3x7: it supports a bunch of distributions, if you give it the -D flag it will build debs. It's an incredibly cool tool [02:12] <GRUMBLE> somthing like that [02:13] <raven3x7> stevenj, just dont use rythembox... [02:13] <GRUMBLE> stevenj: make sure you build deps too... the problem might be there [02:13] <GRUMBLE> yeah... I like XMMS [02:13] <GRUMBLE> cept shoutcast support is kinda ill... [02:13] <segphault> I've had a ton of problems with rhythmbox on ubuntu [02:14] <Slipaway172> ditto [02:14] <segphault> I like rhythmbox better than any of the others tho [02:14] <stevenj> raven3x7, any alternative? [02:14] <jk_> seghault,thanks for the link [02:14] <GRUMBLE> segphault: good reason for stevenj not to use it then, whouldnt you say? [02:14] <Slipaway172> ive had good results with xmms [02:14] <segphault> I'm thinking about switching to gentoo [02:14] <GRUMBLE> So... has anyone else had any problems installing to disk but not from liveCD? [02:14] <raven3x7> im using amarok but you may not want to get all the kde libs it needs to run [02:14] <segphault> ubuntu just isn't as stable as it used to be [02:14] <stevenj> I would really like to organize my 20GB of music [02:15] <hybrid_goth> segphault: ? [02:15] <GRUMBLE> segphault: you like the idea of a 8 day install process? [02:15] <segphault> if it gets me the latest and greatest software with fewer bugs, sure [02:15] <GRUMBLE> segphault: It may do that, but it may also cause you to go crazy cause X wont run [02:15] <GRUMBLE> and you have to keep recompiliing [02:15] <raven3x7> stevenj, amarok is WAY better at organizing a music collection [02:16] <thespiritoftal> hi this is rather off topic but anyone knows about scientific linux here? [02:16] <GRUMBLE> raven3x7: I find that my fingers are best at organizing a music collection [02:16] <AdmiralSenn> so nobody knows how to make an app's window use a specific icon? [02:16] <raven3x7> segphault, isnt there a default tool to build deb packages? [02:16] <GRUMBLE> AdmiralSenn: what an obscure idea,. [02:16] <GRUMBLE> ask in a dev forum or chan [02:16] <AdmiralSenn> #? [02:16] <shammy> bonvenon: fatal server error: no screens found [02:16] <raven3x7> GRUMBLE, lmao [02:17] <segphault> raven3x7: I use checkinstall because it automates the package construction. [02:17] <AdmiralSenn> GRUMBLE: which channel? [02:17] <GRUMBLE> raven3x7: I think there is... [02:17] <GRUMBLE> AdmiralSenn: gentoo??? they'd prolly know [02:17] <segphault> raven3x7: there is a default tool for deb package construction, but it requires more effort than I'm willing to expend [02:17] <stevenj> raven3x7, kde :( [02:17] <bonvenon> shammy: then it is the monitor/card that is the problem [02:17] <GRUMBLE> they're 1337 hAx0Rz [02:17] <hybrid_goth> lol [02:17] <macewan> :) creative webcam live works well with ubuntu [02:17] <macewan> saweeet [02:18] <hybrid_goth> lol [02:18] <GRUMBLE> macewan: wanna help me get mine working? [02:18] <shammy> bonvenon: it recognizes the card as the right one.. so its the monitor? [02:18] <raven3x7> stevenj, it runs fine in gnome but apt will fetch a lot of kde stuff [02:18] <macewan> step one: plug it it [02:18] <GRUMBLE> cause ubuntu dosnt work well with me [02:18] <macewan> step two: profit! [02:18] <hybrid_goth> lol [02:18] <macewan> no underwear involved [02:18] <GRUMBLE> Phaze one: Collect underpants Phaze 2: Phaze 3: Profit! [02:18] <macewan> :] [02:18] <AdmiralSenn> :D [02:19] <bonvenon> shammy: ok. (but even if it recognizes the card correctly I guess it might have problem using it...) [02:19] <stevenj> raven3x7, thanks [02:19] <GRUMBLE> REALLYYYYY NEEEDING HELP HERE [02:19] <Octane> anyone here know about packaging deb files [02:19] <segphault> GRUMBLE: what do you need help with? [02:19] <GRUMBLE> is there a way to install ubuntu FROM within the livecd environment? [02:19] <shammy> bonvenon: so what do i need to do? keep running xorgcfg -textmode and configuring the monitor and card until it works? [02:20] <AdmiralSenn> GRUMBLE: no [02:20] <Octane> i am stuck after running dh_make -- i dont know how to create the <package>.install files in /debian [02:20] <GRUMBLE> segphault: the shizzy no wizzy on my Pee Sizzle [02:20] <Slipaway172> GRUMBLE, u need the install [02:20] <LasseL> Can you tell me how to get rid of the deamons: /usr/lib/evolution/evolution-data-server-1.2 and /usr/lib/evolution/2.2/evolution-exchange-storage ? [02:20] <GRUMBLE> i've got the install [02:20] <segphault> GRUMBLE: slap it. that usually works for me [02:20] <GRUMBLE> I've installed it [02:21] <dimitris> Is there a way to change the icon theme used by root? [02:21] <Slipaway172> lol [02:21] <GRUMBLE> it says "you're an ass!" then gives me a poo brown screen and an immotile cursor [02:21] <Slipaway172> dimitris, WHY [02:21] <Slipaway172> gnome is not for root use [02:21] <GRUMBLE> like it's trying to sodamize me with it's not working [02:21] <hybrid_goth> GRUMBLE: o_0 [02:21] <macewan> http://www.macewan.org/images/ubuntucreativelive!.png [02:21] <macewan> hehe [02:21] <Slipaway172> dimitris, are you just talking about changing icon set for a regular user [02:21] <LasseL> Is there anybody besides me that has the two evolutions processes running? They use a fair bit of memory it seems - and for what? [02:21] <bonvenon> shammy: no. doing the same thing over and over again wont solve the problem... what kind of monitor do you use? [02:21] <dimitris> No the root account [02:22] <Slipaway172> why [02:22] <GRUMBLE> hybrid_goth: Basizzy, the livecd works perfect. the INSTALL cd boots and installs but the environment once on disk is not workable. [02:22] <GRUMBLE> it halts after gnome has loaded completely [02:22] <Slipaway172> it is highly un reccomened to use root under gdm [02:22] <dimitris> I use nautilus with root user sometimes and it doesn't show any icons [02:22] <segphault> LasseL: they start when you start evo. The evolution data server manages address book, calendar and task list. The exchange thing is for compatability with microsoft exchange server [02:22] <[Spooky] > what was it to install a deb package ? [02:22] <[Spooky] > dkpg -???? [02:22] <segphault> dpkg -i [02:23] <[Spooky] > ah thanks [02:23] <hybrid_goth> did you burn the cds? [02:23] <shammy> bonvenon: it's an NEC crt monitor.. MultiSync75 [02:23] <Slipaway172> dimitris, www.gnome.org has icon sets [02:23] <Thewrdnrd> Is it possible to convert a Debian system to Ubuntu? How messy is the final result? [02:23] <GRUMBLE> the only thing I could think of was loading the live cd and mounting hd and coppying over all the confs and kernel [02:23] <LasseL> segphault, but why don't the close when I quit the program then? I don't even use evolution, but might have launched it by accident [02:23] <GRUMBLE> Thewrdnrd: REALLLLLLLYY messy [02:23] <GRUMBLE> and viceversa [02:23] <xie> Grr it's still not partitioning my drive during an install [02:23] <Thewrdnrd> I'm talking about a freshly-installed system here, so there wouldn't be lots of extra cruft about beyond the base install. [02:23] <dimitris> I have icon sets but how do i install them so they show up in nautilus when its used under sudo nautilus? [02:23] <xie> just sits at 6% done [02:23] <bonvenon> shammy: ok. try to edit your xorg configuration by hand: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf [02:24] <GRUMBLE> xie: have you tried partitioning from the live [02:24] <segphault> LasseL: the exchange one probably shouldn't stick around, but the data server one remains running because other applications interact with it [02:24] <GRUMBLE> ? [02:24] <segphault> LasseL: use the kill command from the command line to get rid of them [02:24] <xie> GRUMBLE, I can't boot into anything [02:24] <zimba> In what package is `mkfontdir` ? [02:24] <GRUMBLE> xie: have you tried booting from the live CD? [02:24] <xie> I don't have the live CD. [02:24] <bonvenon> shammy: I've uploaded my xorg.conf on http://webbform.net/files/xorg.conf if you want to compare [02:24] <zimba> ^^ I messed my insall :-/ [02:24] <GRUMBLE> cause you're booted on somthing now [02:24] <Slipaway172> dimitris, go to system - prefrences - theme [02:24] <xie> No [02:24] <xie> This is another computer [02:24] <GRUMBLE> oi [02:24] <GRUMBLE> ok [02:25] <shammy> ok thank you [02:25] <GRUMBLE> hmm [02:25] <shammy> i'll go look at it bonvenon [02:25] <godzirra> Does anyone know of an HTML formatter? [02:25] <xie> I'm installing onto an older box, it hangs at partitioning. would using FAT32 maybe help? [02:25] <GRUMBLE> xie: what kind of drive? [02:25] <segphault> godzirra: like tidyhtml? [02:25] <ExUser1> hey what is a good distro for and old lappy.. say pentium 133, 266 or so with 2-4 gigs [02:25] <GRUMBLE> no- no fatys [02:25] <godzirra> Ooh... that sounds promising. [02:25] <LasseL> segphault, they respawn when I kill them [02:25] <GRUMBLE> ExUser1: hmmm [02:25] <bonvenon> shammy: I have to sleep now. good luck! [02:25] <xie> It's a 13GB IDE drive I don't know the RPM [02:25] <xie> I think it's a Seagate [02:25] <dimitris> sudo gedit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf This lets me edit the theme for root but not the iconset used [02:25] <segphault> godzirra: http://tidy.sourceforge.net/ [02:25] <GRUMBLE> IDE or ATA would have been sufficient [02:25] <vladuz976> anybody know how to change gtk2.x themes [02:26] <godzirra> segphault: sweet. [02:26] <GRUMBLE> what kind of processor? [02:26] <xie> I had the Warty on there, but it didn't work right, so I am trying to install Hoary [02:26] <emillan> Hi there, I'm downloading ubuntu at the moment because Fedora and Mepis are both giving me grief detecting my new S-ATA drive. Does anyone know if I might have better luck with Ubuntu? [02:26] <Slipaway172> theme details [02:26] <ExUser1> pentium [02:26] <xie> AMD K6-2-450 [02:26] <godzirra> segphault: thanks :) [02:26] <GRUMBLE> ok [02:26] <segphault> vladuz976: gnome-theme-manger [02:26] <GRUMBLE> hmm [02:26] <vladuz976> Slipaway172: i am not in gnome [02:26] <Thewrdnrd> Hmmm. Asked this earlier, but is there any way to run an install remotely? Like, boot the CD, ssh in and run the installer? [02:26] <segphault> godzirra: no prob [02:26] <Slipaway172> then what [02:26] <GRUMBLE> xie: can you get into the install cd? [02:26] <vladuz976> segphault: i am not in gnome [02:26] <deprave> is it possible to get avi codec running on ubuntu? [02:26] <Slipaway172> kde? [02:26] <dimitris> Spipaway172: Isn't that only for standard users? [02:26] <GRUMBLE> i mean does it boot? [02:26] <xie> What do you mean? [02:26] <ExUser1> anyone know a good distro for old pc [02:26] <deprave> is it possible to get avi codec running on ubuntu anyone know [02:26] <xie> Yeah, it boots from CD-ROM [02:26] <ExUser1> p133-300 [02:26] <emillan> ExUser1: Damn Small Linux [02:26] <xie> I go through language selection all the way up to auto partition [02:26] <Slipaway172> should be able as root [02:27] <xie> And then ti hangs at 6% [02:27] <ExUser1> ok [02:27] <emillan> deprave: try mplayer... [02:27] <ExUser1> ouyt of curiosity what are the bare system settign for ubuntu [02:27] <deprave> does mplayer play avi? [02:27] <ExUser1> Happy Day and cpu [02:27] <vladuz976> anybody know how to change gtk2.x themes other than from the menu [02:27] <ExUser1> .hd [02:27] <GRUMBLE> xie: on the boot: prompt, try expert acpi=false nolapic noapic debian-installer/probe/usb=false [02:27] <hybrid_goth> deprave: yup [02:27] <raven3x7> deprave gat w32codecs [02:27] <emillan> deprave: yep... providing you install the codecs that are included on their download page [02:27] <ExUser1> gHg t [02:27] <ExUser1> jk [02:27] <ExUser1> Just Kidding [02:27] <raven3x7> get [02:27] <GRUMBLE> so that means: boot: expert acpi=false nolapic noapic debian-installer/probe/usb=false [02:28] <hybrid_goth> deprave: get the codecs and it'll play damn near anything [02:28] <bananbox> Hi, i got GeForce 6800 GT gfx card, how do a change HZ i got 60hz atm i want 85Hz, can some one help me? [02:28] <xie> Where would I do that? It never gives me a prompt except when I can choose server install or not [02:28] <LasseL> bananbox, i bet you can search the gentoo forums for that :) [02:28] <vladuz976> anybody using enlightenment? [02:28] <GRUMBLE> when you boot off the CD, it gives you the ugly base prompt that says blah blah blah [02:28] <GRUMBLE> boot: [02:29] <bananbox> LasseL, k, thx :) [02:29] <xie> ahh [02:29] <raven3x7> bananbox, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [02:29] <mebaran151> anyone here having Alsa problems with an embedded Via card [02:29] <MikeEnIke> Hey everyone [02:29] <GRUMBLE> xie, go do that now [02:29] <mebaran151> the Via Envy 24HT [02:29] <xie> BRB let me try that :o [02:29] <rommer> how can i configure tightvncserver? [02:29] <mebaran151> I need to get it to work [02:29] <godzirra> segphault: wait.. does that actually indent code? Or just do a check on it like the w3c validator does? [02:29] <mebaran151> argghhhh [02:29] <GRUMBLE> I'm gonna try to help you through [02:29] <xie> Its in the next room, let me go give it a shot [02:30] <spudse> Hi my laptop screen (compaq armada m300) turns white when ubuntu is done booting, now in the forums I found a possible solution for this, but i don't understand what it says: "Tried removing vga=771 from the bootstring, and that fixed the problem, incase anyone else have the same problem" Can anybody help me do this ? [02:30] <GRUMBLE> yeah [02:30] <mebaran151> is breezy X working, btw? [02:30] <GRUMBLE> you do that!!!!!!! [02:30] <raven3x7> LasseL, why would you suggest gentoo forums? [02:30] <segphault> godzirra: it will do a *lot* of different things, not only indentation, but cleaning up invalid code, etc [02:30] <GRUMBLE> seriously... [02:30] <godzirra> ahh ok [02:30] <GRUMBLE> cause maybe while he's doin that someone can help me fix my shizz [02:30] <mebaran151> raven3x7: I'm trying gentoo [02:30] <mebaran151> now [02:30] <dimitris> ok system - preferences - themes doesn't work for root. Is there a way to sudo the theme applications so that its invoked with root priviledges? [02:30] <LasseL> raven3x7, because overclocking graphic cards is a l337 thing [02:31] <mebaran151> too bad all the time I save by compiling is wasted ... compiling [02:31] <LasseL> was more or less kidding [02:31] <GRUMBLE> LasseL, you must be a HaX0R [02:31] <segphault> dimitris: sudo gnome-theme-manager [02:31] <phil> hello... what's an easy to use cd/dvd burning program? [02:31] <dimitris> thnx [02:31] <MikeEnIke> How bad of a set up will Ubuntu run on? [02:31] <GRUMBLE> phil: ez-cd creator? [02:31] <segphault> phil: I like k3b [02:31] <GRUMBLE> nero? [02:31] <godzirra> ok.. it doesnt clean up excess whitespace so far... or I dont know how to get it to. [02:31] <GRUMBLE> toast [02:31] <spudse> I tried it on a 166mhz - 96mb ram laptop, but it was terrible slow [02:31] <xie> GRumble, no good, it doesn't map my keyboard correctly [02:32] <emillan> phil: k3b [02:32] <xie> I can't even type that all out [02:32] <segphault> godzirra: look at the docs, there are a ton of parameters for it [02:32] <GRUMBLE> is it booted? [02:32] <philone> I use k3b, but I have kde, my friend has gnome [02:32] <raven3x7> LasseL, i dont think he wanted to overclock just change the refresh rate [02:32] <xie> I'm at boot: [02:32] <spudse> What is the "bootstring" ? [02:32] <MikeEnIke> im gonna run it ona 533mhz 256 RAM I think [02:32] <GRUMBLE> and when you tyep? [02:32] <tarvid> MikeEnIke, passable on a 300hz GX-1 [02:32] <MikeEnIke> well I'm gonan run KDE on it [02:32] <xie> the letters don't match up what I'm typing [02:32] <MikeEnIke> ok cool thanks [02:32] <xie> I hit "L" and I get ".l", "s" doesn't work at all etc [02:32] <raven3x7> mebaran151, cool [02:32] <LasseL> raven3x7, bananbox, my bad, sorry [02:32] <GRUMBLE> hmmmm [02:32] <GRUMBLE> are you using a mac keyboard? [02:32] <GRUMBLE> or some wireless thing [02:32] <xie> No [02:33] <xie> Nope [02:33] <MikeEnIke> Is there anywhere that is like a guide to linux as this will be the first time I've actually had linux installed. [02:33] <GRUMBLE> pc-104? [02:33] <mebaran151> so can anyone help me fix my Via Envy on ubuntu [02:33] <xie> It's an old keyboard but its windows [02:33] <GRUMBLE> hmmm [02:33] <mebaran151> udev fails to make /dev/dsp [02:33] <GRUMBLE> backspace? [02:33] <xie> Yeah I think pc-104 maybe, someone gave this computer to me so I don't know [02:33] <mebaran151> though the module is loaded [02:33] <LasseL> mebaran151, most people seems to just have to turn the volume up in alsamixer, did you try that? [02:33] <raven3x7> LasseL, i dont think there have been gfx cards running at 60Hz for quite some time ;) [02:33] <godzirra> segphault: Apparently no option to clean up excess whitespace according to the quickreference. :/ I'm still looking though :/ [02:33] <GRUMBLE> xie: go try to boot regularly [02:33] <xie> ok [02:34] <GRUMBLE> but dont do anything after it's booted [02:34] <LasseL> mebaran151, as a twist to that I had to MUTE a certain channel that was set to 0 volume but not muted before I got sound [02:34] <xie> ok I'm at Language Select [02:34] <xie> for a fresh install [02:35] <GRUMBLE> push alt+f2 [02:35] <GRUMBLE> then enter [02:35] <jasoncohen> hello everyone. I'm still having problems with my root partition. Yesterday X stopped starting because /etc/X11 wasn't accessible due to an input/output error. I did a manual fsck from the live-cd and was able to start up ubuntu. I ran the smartmon tests and my HD passed. there are 11 errors but nothing recent and the drive still is given a pass. I also ran memtest for 8 hours on the extended and regular tests (6 passes of regu [02:35] <jasoncohen> lar test) [02:36] <jasoncohen> I'm again getting issues with my root partition. I booted up just a few minutes ago after finishing the memtest session and X failed to load again due to some binary not loading. I did a shutdown -Fr now and after a fsck of my root partition, ubuntu started just fine [02:37] <Fr0Gs> hey all i got a hdd formated in linux filesystem how can i make it go back to ntfs/fat32? [02:37] <xie> ALT F2 just bringsu p the list of steps [02:37] <netdur> is breezy usable? [02:37] <xie> hitting enter brings me back to Languange Selection [02:37] <jasoncohen> netdur, read the topic [02:37] <GRUMBLE> huh??? [02:37] <GRUMBLE> it sounds like you've got a bum keyboard [02:37] <shammy> when i run xorgcfg -textmode, once i'm finished it just says error failed to write to file [02:38] <shammy> every time [02:38] <GRUMBLE> how about other alt+f(x) KEYS? [02:38] <cyphase> hey everyone [02:38] <jasoncohen> so, is it possible my HD is failing and the smart tests don't show a problem, or do i have some other issue? [02:38] <Chaotic_Shield> hey again everyone. [02:38] <cyphase> no [02:38] <GRUMBLE> xie: one of them shoudl get you to console [02:38] <ryan_> Sweet i just had some kick ass fun. i was dealing with a prob so i couldnt handle, and we couldnt do a direct remote desktop because the machine was behind a router, a firewall and a proxy. we couldnt get the ip so we tunnled thru my router(which is a pc) and got into my laptop. was pretty sweet [02:38] <jk_> hmm, if i lock my screen, will firefox stop downloading? [02:38] <spudse> what is the "standard" password for root ? [02:38] <Chaotic_Shield> spudse, blank. [02:39] <netdur> jasoncohen, thanks :) [02:39] <Mez> spudse - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo [02:39] <Chaotic_Shield> You need to open a root terminal as soon as you log in with your username and do passwd. [02:39] <Mez> !sudo [02:39] <ubotu> well, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [02:39] <Chaotic_Shield> heh. [02:39] <Chaotic_Shield> Or that. [02:39] <Chaotic_Shield> jk_, shouldn't stop firefox. [02:39] <spudse> Chaotic & Mez thanks [02:39] <raven3x7> jk_, nope it will continue [02:39] <xie> I agree either the keyboard is buste [02:39] <jk_> okay, thanks [02:40] <xie> busted* [02:40] <xie> Or not being reconigzed right [02:40] <inc595> any one familuar with BIND ? [02:40] <Chaotic_Shield> Mez, can you help me with trying to get my wireless card to work? [02:40] <xie> But it worked fine with Win95 =\ [02:40] <xie> What file system should it be using, maybe somehow it's selecting the wrong one? [02:40] <jk_> sleep well everybody [02:40] <tarvid> Chaotic_Shield, which wireless card [02:40] <GRUMBLE> I go with ext3 or reiserfs [02:40] <Chaotic_Shield> xie: What filesystem for Linux? I use Ext3 personally. [02:40] <GRUMBLE> but any of them should work [02:41] <jk_> (sry, en dk it is 2:40) [02:41] <Chaotic_Shield> tarvid, wireless card isn't listed under network interfaces. [02:41] <xie> It was trying Ext3 and locking up. [02:41] <sprink> can ubuntu use debian packages? [02:41] <GRUMBLE> try reizer [02:41] <xie> I dont know just to get it working I'll try FAT or something [02:41] <Chaotic_Shield> yes sprink. [02:41] <tarvid> but which card /chipset [02:41] <xie> once I get it working I can do a little more [02:41] <GRUMBLE> Fat is more unlikely to work than any other [02:41] <Chaotic_Shield> oh. [02:41] <GRUMBLE> cept maybe the sun one [02:41] <GRUMBLE> or hpfs [02:41] <Chaotic_Shield> Dell TrueMobile 1300 tarvid [02:41] <xie> O [02:41] <hybrid_goth> reiserfs is good if ur not a newbie [02:42] <xie> Ahh [02:42] <Chaotic_Shield> tbh, ext2/3 is the easiest. [02:42] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: I have gpm setup [02:42] <paulproteus> xie: I'd test your RAM. [02:42] <GRUMBLE> hybrid_goth, but he's getting locups when formatting [02:42] <Razor-X> as far as I know, gpm does nothing in X [02:42] <xie> I'm starting to get a little bit frustrated though, everyone told me that Ubuntu just "works" [02:42] <tarvid> not sure about the 1300 but a lot of Dell TrueMobiles were Orinoco [02:42] <paulproteus> xie: As soon as possible. [02:42] <xie> Oh it could be the RAM you say? [02:42] <GRUMBLE> reiser is good cause it's easy to get around that [02:42] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: i dont have ubuntu setup [02:42] <inc595> anyone know how to make you server allow slave zone transfers? [02:42] <hybrid_goth> :p [02:42] <paulproteus> xie: Yes. You should use memtest86 to test your RAM. [02:42] <GRUMBLE> paulproteus [02:42] <Razor-X> xie: try booting with memtest [02:42] <Chaotic_Shield> tarvid, ? [02:42] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: ;) [02:42] <hybrid_goth> no1 seeding PPC torrent [02:42] <tarvid> Chaotic_Shield, does lspci give a hint? [02:42] <paulproteus> GRUMBLE: Hmm? [02:42] <GRUMBLE> ;it sounds like there's somthing in the keboard [02:42] <xie> It passes the power-on test but I haven't tried memtest [02:42] <GRUMBLE> sorry hit enter [02:43] <xie> The keyboard works fine in Windows. [02:43] <Chaotic_Shield> define hint. [02:43] <Razor-X> xie: what kind of a keyboard is it? [02:43] <GRUMBLE> paulproteus, maybe you can help me? [02:43] <paulproteus> GRUMBLE: What do you want? [02:43] <tarvid> lspci should give you the chipset info [02:43] <inc595> evil M$ keyboard? [02:43] <Chaotic_Shield> ah. [02:43] <xie> Its a standard keyboard but with the very old plugs [02:43] <tarvid> the chipset info leads to the driver [02:43] <xie> not the small ps/2 sized ones [02:43] <inc595> at style huh [02:43] <Razor-X> xie: oh, it's an AT Connector? [02:43] <GRUMBLE> I've been trying to get ubuntu working from hard drive for some days now [02:43] <paulproteus> xie: Oh, the "AT Style DIN connector". [02:43] <spudse> When I boot Ubuntu everything goes fine until I get a grey screen that fades to total white within 2 seconds. [02:43] <Chaotic_Shield> none tarvid [02:43] <paulproteus> GRUMBLE: What problem do you have? [02:44] <Razor-X> do you have a native adapter? [02:44] <spudse> cntrl+alt+F1 works fine, just graphics don't work, can anybody help me ? [02:44] <xie> I don't have an adapter and it doesn't have a keyboard port other than that [02:44] <GRUMBLE> works fine from CD, installs fine from install cd, but when I boot into the environment, gnome loads then everything halts- failsafe terminal is the onlyone I've been able to use [02:44] <Razor-X> xie: how old is this machine? [02:44] <tarvid> Chaotic_Shield, does it pwoer up? i.e. do you hear the beep and doeas a light on the card light? [02:44] <Razor-X> AT Connectors are from pre-90s [02:44] <xie> I have no idea, relatively old but not insanely old. [02:44] <paulproteus> Razor-X: The system I put together (baby AT motherboard) in 1998 had an AT style din connector. [02:44] <Razor-X> xie: what version of Windows do you run? [02:44] <Chaotic_Shield> tarvid, it's a built in card. I wouldn't hear anything or see any lights. [02:45] <paulproteus> xie: Please do test the RAM. [02:45] <xie> It RAN 95, before I formatted [02:45] <Razor-X> paulproteus: wow, that's pretty old nowadays [02:45] <inc595> my celeron has AT connector [02:45] <xie> I'm downloading memtest now [02:45] <paulproteus> GRUMBLE: You, test your RAM too. :) [02:45] <Razor-X> xie: now, what does it run? [02:45] <GRUMBLE> hehehe [02:45] <GRUMBLE> dod [02:45] <xie> It runs nothing! :) [02:45] <paulproteus> Razor-X: I stopped using that system. [02:45] <GRUMBLE> mean did [02:45] <xie> that's the problem [02:45] <Chaotic_Shield> but the Device Manager sees it, so it's working. [02:45] <inc595> it works fine till the header fell off [02:45] <paulproteus> GRUMBLE: Oh, that's sad. [02:45] <Razor-X> inc595: ``Celeron''s have been used for ages [02:45] <xie> It didn't run Ubuntu Warty and won't even install Ubuntu Hoary [02:45] <GRUMBLE> i'm confused... why would it work from the CD and not from the disk [02:45] <inc595> Razor-X, =) yup [02:45] <Chaotic_Shield> because. [02:45] <Mez> xie: old cmops wont be able to run it [02:45] <Razor-X> xie: you're saying that Ubuntu will setup on a machine that Windows 95 used? [02:45] <paulproteus> bad blocks, GRUMBLE? [02:45] <GRUMBLE> seriously [02:45] <paulproteus> tty later, all [02:46] <GRUMBLE> not likely [02:46] <GRUMBLE> assklown [02:46] <GRUMBLE> bbl [02:46] <Razor-X> for your purposes, xie, you want DSL (Damn Small Linux) [02:46] <xie> Why wouldn't Ubuntu work? I had it installed before, it just didn't support the video card. [02:46] <tarvid> Chaotic_Shield, argh! it's a bcm, Linuxant would work but I would replace the mini-pci card with something that works [02:47] <Chaotic_Shield> It works fine! It's Linux that's the problem. [02:47] <tarvid> Chaotic_Shield, the nl-3054s are on ebay for about $25 [02:47] <Chaotic_Shield> I have $0. [02:47] <Chaotic_Shield> And I'm not ordering a wlan card for a laptop I'm not even going to own in 3 months. [02:47] <Chaotic_Shield> but it should work. [02:48] <inc595> Razor-X, it's 366MHz overclocked to 411MHz and I have it running dns, apache, ftp, mail, x-windows [02:48] <Chaotic_Shield> Why doesn't Ubuntu recognize the card as a network interface? [02:48] <tarvid> Chaotic_Shield, it is the proprietary drivers. You might try ndiswrapper (free) or Linuxant (~$20) or a card for about $25 [02:48] <tarvid> Chaotic_Shield, because their is no driver for the chipset [02:48] <xie> This computer ran win95 without a problem, it should run Ubuntu [02:48] <xie> It has a 450MHz processor [02:48] <Chaotic_Shield> xie: don't count on it. [02:49] <inc595> hey my laptop i'm on now is slower than 450MHz [02:49] <xie> Well it's useless to me if it doesn't run Ubuntu ;) [02:49] <xie> I don't have any other OS [02:49] <tarvid> Chaotic_Shield, I had a similar problem with the mini-pci nic on my thinkpad, eventually I replaced the hardware rather than beat myself on the head over the driver [02:49] <shakuhashi> do you use ubuntu with ltsp? [02:50] <Chaotic_Shield> litestep? I thought that was an explorer shell replacement. [02:50] <inc595> actually i'm on a amd-k6 450MHz laptop [02:50] <xie> thats the same processor I'm using [02:50] <xie> So I know it will work [02:50] <xie> amd-k6-2 450 [02:50] <inc595> 96MB of ram [02:51] <Chaotic_Shield> lol [02:51] <Mabus> hi, I'm having some problems with the Eclipse IDE; when I try to run a simple project (just a System.out.println() thing), I get two errors in the Eclipse Error Log. [02:51] <xie> Let me Memtest, this second chip of RAM could be bad, though I dont know if that would be the reason for a partition hang [02:51] <inc595> it worked on my 233MHx laptop.. damn i have a lot of old hardware [02:51] <Mabus> "Illegal XML character U+0" and "Unhandled event loop exception", they both occur in the "org.eclipse.ui" Plug-In [02:51] <Mabus> anyone know what I can do to fix it ? [02:52] <shammy> HI, i just installed ubuntu and cant get xserver configured. I go through the xorgcfg -textmode prompts and write it to the file, then i went to check the file and it didn't exist.. so i ran xorgcfg again and this time i got write failed! file not written [02:52] <Mabus> shammy, tried running it with sudo ? [02:52] <inc595> xie, here's my server's info http://ubuntu.minimzx.com/phpsysinfo/ [02:53] <dieguito> hi everyone [02:53] <dieguito> can anyone help me [02:53] <hybrid_goth> dieguito: not untill you ask your question [02:53] <shammy> mabus: no i haven't, would i need to? [02:53] <tremblay> Hello. [02:54] <xie> Its bad RAM [02:54] <dieguito> thanks hybrid_goth [02:54] <xie> Memtest86 is going insane with ERRORS [02:54] <xie> I have a bad stick in slot 2 [02:54] <jason_> anybody know how to get X working on breezy? [02:54] <hybrid_goth> ;-) [02:54] <dieguito> This is....I have wireless car Dlink DWL 650 [02:54] <spudse> Can anybody help me with my Ubuntu screen problem ? [02:54] <dieguito> but it doent work in my ubuntu [02:54] <hybrid_goth> is it supported by linux? [02:55] <dieguito> y tried de widnows's driver and ndiswraper [02:55] <xie> I'm going to try and pull this chip out, I bet it's screwing up every time it tries to use this RAM [02:55] <hybrid_goth> the windows driver wont do anything [02:55] <inc595> that'll do it xie [02:55] <dieguito> it soopuse to be [02:55] <Mabus> shammy: no idea, but from what you're saying you want to write the Xorg config file, is that right ? [02:55] <Chaotic_Shield> hybrid_goth, have you ever tried ndiswrapper by any chance? [02:55] <Mabus> shammy: if so, you'll need to be root, and so you should use sudo [02:56] <iceman2k> Any lucky fool here runnung Ubuntu 64 bit and Windows xp pro 64 bit ... duel boot ? [02:56] <dieguito> and ndiswraper [02:56] <hybrid_goth> Chaotic_Shield: nope [02:56] <jason_> iceman2k [02:56] <jason_> I have got that to work in the past [02:56] <jason_> whats the problem? [02:56] <jason_> grub? [02:56] <Chaotic_Shield> ah. [02:56] <hybrid_goth> Chaotic_Shield: why? [02:56] <dieguito> what do you recomend? [02:57] <iceman2k> just set the system up, got windows installed .. now need to set up ubuntu... any issues to look for ? [02:57] <Chaotic_Shield> hybrid_goth, because. I'm going to try it out and see if it gets my wlan card to work. [02:57] <Chaotic_Shield> and btw. [02:57] <jason_> iceman2k it should work fine [02:57] <schneemann> hye everyone, I've been having a problem with dual-booting ubuntu and windows with grub, for some reason, it keeps rebooting whenever I try to boot into windows, and sometimes it takes like 9 tries to successfully boot... anyone know how to fix this? [02:57] <jason_> do you have an extra partition for Ubuntu? [02:57] <iceman2k> jason_ ubuntu handle the partitioning ok ? [02:57] <iceman2k> not set you ... [02:58] <Chaotic_Shield> Sometimes when I restart my computer, GRUB doesn't load. It just restarts my computer over and over. Is there any way to a) either fix this from happening again, or b) make it so I can install GRUB back to the MBR without reinstalling Ubuntu? [02:58] <jason_> you must have a free partition if you plan on using Hoary [02:58] <hybrid_goth> bbiab [02:58] <iceman2k> can reinstall windows if needed ... so need to do that .. what about a secong harddrive ? [02:58] <Mabus> Chaotic_Shield: you can reinstall GRUB with a livecd, but it's quite tricky. [02:59] <moparfan90_> hello. does anyone here use fluxbox? [02:59] <iceman2k> had to make the move to 64 bit .. AMD 2800... it blows my old p4 2.8 away ... so far [02:59] <Chaotic_Shield> Mabus, I was thinking a way to just make a cd with GRUB on it that I can say "Here, reinstall to MBR and reboot" [03:00] <jason_> iceman2k: yes, you can re-install Windows but the windows bootloader will overwrite grub so you will need to find a way to restore it if you have Windows already installed [03:00] <Mabus> Chaotic_Shield: I think you're out of luck then, it's not that easy. [03:00] <moparfan90> anyone use fluxbox [03:00] <moparfan90> ? [03:00] <xie> RAM out, just one stick left in, rebooting into memtest [03:00] <Mabus> You might find something though; I just know I was looking for the same thing a few months ago and ended up doing things the hard way - putting GRUB into the MBR manually. [03:00] <jason_> you should be able to resize you partition in Windows and make some freespace for Ubuntu and it will handle the partitioning if you have a blank partition [03:00] <iceman2k> jason_ no ubuntu installed yet .... will ubuntu allow me to resize the partitions ... [03:00] <jason_> no [03:00] <Chaotic_Shield> iceman2k, I believe so. [03:00] <mebaran151> does Breezy have an X that works yet? [03:01] <jason_> the next version will [03:01] <Chaotic_Shield> ah nvm then. [03:01] <mebaran151> I am willing to build my own nvidia driver [03:01] <mebaran151> (it will be more recent anyway) [03:01] <Mabus> yes, Breezy has an X that works [03:01] <jason_> mebaran151: I am currently using bitchx from a command line in Breezy what do you think ;) [03:01] <Mabus> currently [03:01] <iceman2k> only running xp beta ... but will run the 120 expiration hack ... [03:01] <jason_> no it doesn't [03:01] <Mabus> well mine does [03:01] <jason_> ? [03:01] <jason_> what did you do? [03:02] <mebaran151> jason_, because you are ridiculoulsy 1337 .... [03:02] <tarvid> mebaran151, I am running breezy with X [03:02] <hybrid_goth> jason_: use irssi it makes bitchx look like a childs toy [03:02] <iceman2k> Downloaded the xp beta .... but theres a way around the 120 expiration [03:02] <jason_> yeah [03:02] <tarvid> the problem is there is no suitable nvidia-kernel at the moment [03:02] <jason_> I beat it [03:02] <Razor-X> hey, vi users, how do you people feel about (t)csh ? [03:02] <jason_> search on google for windows x64 activation crack [03:02] <Razor-X> iceman2k: warez doesen't belong here [03:02] <Razor-X> jason_: BitchX kicks ass ;) [03:02] <hybrid_goth> heh there is more ppl in #ubuntu then #linux [03:03] <Razor-X> don't listen to those irssi n00bs, meh [03:03] <iceman2k> prefer ubuntu over winblows ... but have to use winblows for a few games .. [03:03] <jason_> ok rock on Razor-X [03:03] <mebaran151> tarvid: that is not so true [03:03] <hybrid_goth> bitchx is for kids [03:03] <mebaran151> for me at least [03:03] <jason_> no cedega love iceman2k? [03:03] <mebaran151> nvidia-kernel never works as I need a lter edition of the driver than is comitted [03:03] <mebaran151> (I always dll it) [03:03] <Razor-X> mebaran151: how do you like (t)csh? [03:03] <tarvid> mebaran151, which part is not so true [03:04] <occy> anyone here know how to make it so that the touchpad is turned off when your USB mouse is plugged in? [03:04] <jason_> so how do I get X working in breezy [03:04] <jason_> ? [03:04] <mebaran151> Razor-X: haven't used it in a while [03:04] <jason_> I am using amd64 if that is currently behind [03:04] <mebaran151> bash was nicer [03:04] <mebaran151> jasonme too [03:04] <Razor-X> occy: you have to write a script to disable input from that device [03:04] <Razor-X> mebaran151: hater! XD [03:04] <occy> Razor-X, :/ [03:04] <Razor-X> the creator of vi made csh [03:05] <jason_> meh I just did a dist-upgrade and no go [03:05] <Razor-X> such a good program, spawned such a bad shell [03:05] <mebaran151> Razor-X: enoug said .... [03:05] <mebaran151> vi was horrible! [03:05] <iceman2k> jason_ wish more software were available for 64 bit ... [03:05] <Razor-X> mebaran151: well, you prefer csh over ash? [03:05] <Blaze> "Cant't mount no such device.." ?? - dd_rescue -b 512 -B 256 if=/media/cdrom0 of=/home/bill/CD-retail-errors.iso [03:05] <mebaran151> jason, yeah, dist upgrade is bad [03:05] <jason_> like what? [03:05] <tarvid> jason_, look in /etc/X11 and see where the symbolic link for X points to [03:05] <mebaran151> Razor-X: I have never used ash [03:05] <Razor-X> mebaran151: trust me, I don't think you will [03:05] <Chaotic_Shield> anyone here compiled ndiswrapper before? [03:05] <jason_> how do I do that tarvid? [03:06] <tarvid> ls -la /etc/X11 [03:06] <Blaze> !ndiswrapper [03:06] <ubotu> it has been said that ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper [03:06] <xie> Whoever said it was my RAM [03:06] <xie> I love you [03:06] <jason_> it points to two places [03:06] <iceman2k> Any mainstream games for linux 64 bit [03:06] <Razor-X> xie: meh [03:06] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: is nano flash? [03:06] <xie> I took out the bad stick, am down to 64MB but am installing Ubuntu =) [03:06] <Razor-X> you should'nt love that person [03:06] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: yeah [03:06] <jason_> to /usr/bin/X11 [03:06] <Razor-X> you should smother him [03:07] <xie> This has been plaguing me for 4 days now [03:07] <jason_> xORG [03:07] <Razor-X> because bad RAM is a bad problem [03:07] <mebaran151> Razor-X: no what I love [03:07] <xie> Well. At least I still have one working stick. [03:07] <mebaran151> when gentoo for five days [03:07] <mebaran151> does nothing to compile [03:07] <jason_> and /usr/X11R6/bin/x [03:07] <xie> 64mb isn't terrible, I can get a new stick on monday [03:07] <mebaran151> but compile I mean [03:07] <hybrid_goth> mebaran151: heh [03:07] <mebaran151> and in the end [03:07] <tremblay> I'm trying to create a script (which can be executed from the gnome-panel) that will run a sudo command... however this is not possible. Anyone have ideas on ways to get around this? [03:07] <mebaran151> I gained .4 seconds over my ubuntu benchmark [03:07] <iceman2k> only paid $200 for a SOYO Dragon gamming case, Abit K8V motherboard and a AMD 64 2800 processor .... [03:07] <tarvid> jason_, remove that link and make a new one pointing to /usr/bin/Xorg [03:08] <ryan_> Has anyone here got ut2k3 on disc? [03:08] <mebaran151> tremblay: gksudo [03:08] <apunto> hi guys [03:08] <ryan_> :-\ [03:08] <tarvid> it's one level back [03:08] <jason_> temblay gksu sudo? [03:08] <jason_> tremblay gksu sudo? [03:08] <xie> Iceman, what core? You can overclock that to 3200+ speeds [03:08] <xie> With good cooling, if it's a good core [03:08] <hybrid_goth> tremblay: gtksu? [03:08] <tremblay> Thanks. How does it work exactly? [03:08] <jason_> I have a 3000+ [03:08] <jason_> it goes to 3400+ speeds [03:08] <xie> I'm trying to save up for a Venice 3500+ [03:08] <iceman2k> xie awsome ... still wainting on a better cpu fan ... get it monday ... [03:09] <apunto> u gave a question....gksudo is not working for me (it says "wrong password")...do i have to modify a particular file to allow a non privilaged user access to run the gksudo command? [03:09] <LasseL> better to underclock a little and enjoy the silence :p [03:09] <jason_> ryan_ I have ut2004 on disc [03:09] <xie> AMDs aren't particularly loud =) [03:09] <apunto> sorry about the typos [03:09] <iceman2k> xie ... quite as a mouse .... so far ... [03:09] <jason_> AMDs are more effecient now than Intel desktop chips [03:09] <iceman2k> instaled farcry ... now downloading the 64 bit patch [03:10] <xie> Pentium M chips are the new hotness [03:10] <xie> I can't wait until Intel releases a similar desktop line [03:10] <jason_> but they are not 64 bit yet [03:10] <xie> So? [03:10] <ryan_> jason, its ut2k3 linux-install.sh i need [03:10] <xie> Do you even have 64 bit OS? [03:10] <jason_> no 4gb of ram ;) [03:10] <xie> ... way too much unless you're a professional video editor [03:11] <iceman2k> xie windows xp pro 64 bit ... as well as ubuntu 64 .. still need to install ubuntu yet [03:11] <mebaran151> xie: or you compile stuff [03:11] <xie> No 64 bit os = NO performance gain with a 64 bit processor [03:11] <jason_> or want to leave every app open you use and never hit swap [03:11] <xie> Well then have fun, it's just a waste. [03:11] <mebaran151> xie: uh I wouldn say that completely [03:11] <mebaran151> try encoding or compiling [03:11] <jason_> compile times are faster [03:11] <jason_> about 30 percent [03:11] <mebaran151> the AMD64 stuff is about twice as fast [03:11] <jason_> I have benchmarked [03:12] <mebaran151> in encoding [03:12] <xie> In a 32 bit OS? [03:12] <mebaran151> compiling is a third faster [03:12] <poningru> can you 32 bit apps in 64 bit os? [03:12] <mebaran151> xie, no in a 64 bit oss [03:12] <jason_> yes [03:12] <xie> Oh I know that. [03:12] <mebaran151> poningru: you can [03:12] <xie> I said WITHOUT a 64-bit OS, there is no gain. [03:12] <mebaran151> but you wouldnt [03:12] <jason_> pningru yes [03:12] <poningru> cool [03:12] <Razor-X> what's the current BASH version? [03:12] <mebaran151> xie: well you lose half the reisters [03:12] <poningru> then why arent people using [03:12] <iceman2k> Went from a Pentiium 4 2.8 ghz system to this AMD 2800 64 bit .. and there is a heck of a difference .. [03:12] <Razor-X> jason_: you don't use tab complete? [03:12] <poningru> the flash in 64 bit [03:12] <Chaotic_Shield> you can install 32 bit apps on a 64 bit os if there's backwards compatibility. [03:12] <jason_> yeah but the amd64s are more effecient than amd xps [03:12] <poningru> iceman2k: percieved difference [03:12] <xie> Because Windows XP 64 bit is very new, and there is very very poor driver support. [03:13] <inc595> anyone know how to have dns allow slave zone xfers? [03:13] <mebaran151> xie: I was testing it 6 months ago [03:13] <poningru> iceman2k: did you do benchpressing? [03:13] <mebaran151> it ... didnt ... work ... at ... all [03:13] <iceman2k> poningru not et ... [03:13] <xie> Yeah, I tried it at work and it didn't work with pretty much anything I had [03:13] <xie> brb checking ubuntu install [03:13] <LinuxJones> iceman2k, the AMD is running well ? [03:13] <mark> !backports [03:13] <poningru> well thats the question [03:13] <ubotu> from memory, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [03:13] <iceman2k> need to add at least 512 more ram ... maybe a gig ... [03:14] <mebaran151> the chroo is WAY more trouble than it is worth [03:14] <shammy> when i run sudo xorgcfg -textmode, and try to write to file, it says it writes but the file is still empty. What can i do to configure x? [03:14] <mebaran151> esp with Ming do flash ok nowadays [03:14] <jason_> not really there is a guide on ubuntuforums on how to set one up [03:14] <mebaran151> jason_, Imeant for my own apps [03:14] <jason_> its the only way to use w32codecs [03:14] <mebaran151> trying to compile against it is just hard [03:15] <mebaran151> just one more bug to worry about [03:15] <Razor-X> insinuating what? [03:16] <iceman2k> The install went well so far ... for everything ... but just getting started... not sure what will or will not work [03:16] <xie> Out of the box, does ubuntu have basic DUN capabilities? [03:16] <tremblay> Is a 64bit processor's performance directly related to the amount of RAM? (ie, is there a threshold of gbs of RAM to have to get a performance boost?) [03:17] <xie> No, RAM will boost any system up to a point [03:17] <Razor-X> xie: depends if your modem is supported [03:17] <Razor-X> and whether they're winmodems or not [03:17] <tremblay> So a 64bit processor with 512mb of RAM should still get a performance boost in running 64bit apps compared to a 32bit proc with 32bit apps? [03:17] <xie> After 2GB unless you are compiling or doing heavy 3d/video editing you won't see any boost. [03:18] <xie> If you don't have a 64 bit OS you won't see any gain anyway. [03:18] <Razor-X> xie: or any other memory intensive thing [03:18] <xie> And 512MB of RAM will bottleneck anyway, I wouldn't go that low. [03:18] <iceman2k> I got only 512 ... currently ... but thats the next upgrade ... [03:18] <Razor-X> like that one FPS game written in 6 kb [03:18] <xie> Yeah but those are the two most basic examples [03:18] <xie> Oh god that game destroyed 512mb of RAM [03:18] <Razor-X> I got 256, people [03:18] <xie> I had 256 until a few weeks ago [03:18] <Razor-X> ;) [03:19] <xie> I upgraded to 1GB, 900% performance boost (exaggerated) [03:20] <iceman2k> hay ... one step at a time .... basic system ... next ram ... [03:20] <xie> RAM is so cheap [03:20] <xie> $80 for 1gb [03:20] <iceman2k> 80 gig harddrive ... with a 40 in reserve .. [03:20] <xie> PC3200 [03:20] <Razor-X> xie: that's _real_ cheap [03:20] <Razor-X> for kids who save up money with lunch money, that's not cheap [03:20] <Razor-X> and parents who could care less about how new the technology is [03:21] <iceman2k> amd will kick all ram baco to 333 mhz ... so i'll stick with 2700 ddr for now [03:21] <xie> When you're building a system and you buy one 512 stick for $45-50 [03:21] <Razor-X> xie: my parents don't let me ;) [03:21] <xie> For the extra few dollars it's such a boost, especially with Dual Channel [03:21] <Razor-X> nor do they let me get a job, but that's another story there [03:21] <Razor-X> I know my hardware [03:21] <xie> I work two jobs and I can't afford a new computer, I know how it is. [03:21] <iceman2k> got to see if the MOBO will support duel channel [03:21] <xie> I'm just saying that you should always aspire to at least 1GB of RAM [03:22] <tremblay> I have a laptop, so RAM is a bit more expensive. [03:22] <xie> especially if you play games like HL2 [03:22] <rommer> iceman2k: does the ram fight each other? [03:22] <james> i spend all my mony on my server, costs alot to keep going [03:22] <Razor-X> I haven't played a modern game since Morrowind [03:22] <Razor-X> now i'm comfortable with NetHack [03:22] <iceman2k> one stick of ram currently ... [03:22] <iceman2k> 512 meg ... [03:23] <xie> iceman, you can't do dual channel anyway unless you get the exact same stick [03:23] <iceman2k> oh , if this mobo will support it .. i'll get it [03:23] <xie> Patriot 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 333 (PC 2700) Unbuffered System Memory Model PSD512333 - Retail - $42.25 [03:23] <Razor-X> that's because I have 32 MB GPU [03:24] <Razor-X> which is so sad.... meh ;) [03:24] <Razor-X> I now try and optimize my software as much as I can, and tailor everything to my tastes [03:24] <iceman2k> brb update farcry time [03:24] <Razor-X> it's very effective, nobody knows how to use the machine [03:24] <james> i am setting up a forrum on my site, as of yestarday, i am planning on having a linux support section, check it out and join at http://www.deusweb.linux-site.net/ [03:24] <karim> is there a way to change the mac adress of a network card ? [03:24] <Razor-X> Dvorak, Trackball, zsh, mmmmmm ;) [03:25] <xie> karim, you can spoof them, but you can't change them, it's a hardware thing [03:25] <Razor-X> karim: you can spoof 'em, but nothing physical [03:25] <Razor-X> why? [03:25] <Razor-X> *cough need free internet? *cough* [03:25] <karim> to bind another ip [03:25] <karim> on the modem [03:25] <karim> Razor-X, kind of [03:25] <xie> I wish my neighbors had a wireless network :( stupid DIal up [03:25] <Razor-X> I do [03:25] <Razor-X> I let some neighbors bite off me for a while [03:26] <luke> Does anyone know if there's a program like PeerGuardian for Linux? [03:26] <karim> Razor-X, well, I managed to change the mac adress of the on board nic [03:26] <Razor-X> then, one day, I just got pissed, and closed limited my wireless by MAC [03:26] <karim> Razor-X, why did you get pissed ? [03:26] <Razor-X> luke: if you use legal things, I don't think you'll need Peer Guardian [03:26] <iceman2k> hanging system ... ? [03:26] <linlin> Is there an easy way to change my screen resolution in ubuntu? [03:26] <Razor-X> (which is a fscking memory hog) [03:26] <karim> Razor-X, I could change it by flashing the mother board bios [03:27] <Razor-X> karim: because _we_ pay $50 for _our_ internet [03:27] <karim> something like tha [03:27] <karim> that [03:27] <Razor-X> karim: I doubt it [03:27] <Razor-X> MAC is universal [03:27] <zanysmash> hey [03:27] <xie> http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/WishList/WishShareShow.asp?ID=1522377 this is the computer I want to build =\ [03:27] <luke> Razpr-X: Understood. But I download backup copies of movies that I actually own instead of ripping them. [03:27] <Razor-X> it's a 1 MB line her, on fiber optic ;) [03:27] <Razor-X> luke: then you'll ave no trouble [03:27] <luke> Razor-X: And music, too. [03:28] <karim> Razor-X, the guys managed to change the rom of the card so it could pxe boot [03:28] <Octane> anyone know where aptitude stores the deb files? i know apt stores it in /var/cache/apt but where does aptitude? [03:28] <Razor-X> if the RIAA knocks, show them your legal copies, and they leave [03:28] <karim> Razor-X, and you could change the mac [03:28] <luke> Razor-X: While true, I don't want that kind of attention anyway. [03:28] <Razor-X> karim: that's pretty hard in most things, and keeping it usable, but possible [03:28] <xie> Gah newegg deleted my DVD DW [03:28] <xie> RW [03:28] <iceman2k> xie what system [03:28] <Razor-X> luke: you used google? [03:28] <Razor-X> http://methlabs.org/projects/peerguardian-linuxosx/ [03:28] <karim> Razor-X, it was a ecs k7s5aL but it died in a white cloud of smoke [03:29] <xie> http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/WishList/WishShareShow.asp?ID=1522377 [03:29] <Razor-X> ``Google Search: Peer Guardian Linux'' [03:29] <xie> That system [03:29] <Razor-X> that's the first link right there [03:29] <luke> Razor-X: I did briefly. Didn't try too hard. Thanks [03:29] <xie> But add in an NEC DVD+/-RW [03:29] <karim> so how can I spoof the mac adress ? [03:29] <iceman2k> Antec Solution SLK2650-BQE Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 350W Power Supply - Retail [03:29] <iceman2k> Model #: SLK2650-BQE [03:29] <Razor-X> karim: that's out of the scope of this channel, but I can look up some good tutorials for ya [03:29] <xie> ? [03:30] <Razor-X> and all the rest of you interested in network security [03:30] <kyncani> karim seen macchanger ? [03:30] <karim> kyncani, nope, I will check that [03:30] <norhted> hi everyone, what is the fastest way to see .tex files? [03:30] <Razor-X> norhted: they're plain text files [03:30] <xie> iceman, what about it? [03:30] <karim> Razor-X, anyway I could also use another nic :) [03:30] <Razor-X> you see them in a text editor [03:30] <Razor-X> karim: yeah, meh [03:30] <linlin> How do i change screen resolution in ubuntu [03:30] <norhted> Razor-X: yes but i want to see them formatted [03:31] <Razor-X> norhted: are ya using LaTeX for the first time? (just wondering) [03:31] <norhted> linlin: system-preferences-screen resolution from your GUI [03:31] <norhted> Razor-X: yes [03:31] <zanysmash> how do i remove ipv6 from my connections ? [03:31] <zanysmash> network connections [03:31] <Razor-X> norhted: ahhh, I suggest lshort.pdf to get started [03:32] <Razor-X> and latex foo.tex produces dvi output [03:32] <Belutz> what?s the purposes of LaTeX ? [03:32] <karim> kyncani, in fact I searched "mac change" with apt-cache search, but it returned to much result [03:32] <Razor-X> you'll need a dvi viewer, else you want to convert the dvi input to ps/pdf/a billion other formats [03:32] <karim> so I gave up ^^ [03:32] <iceman2k> brb soon [03:32] <Razor-X> Belutz: it's a typesetting language [03:32] <kyncani> karim: i did the same thing with additionnal keyword address ;) [03:33] <norhted> Razor-X: well how can i do that? [03:33] <linlin> Is there a way to goto a screen resolution not in that list? [03:33] <Belutz> Razor-X, typesetting language? do you mean it?s a programming languange? [03:33] <Razor-X> Belutz: it's a format that contains a parsed set of commands [03:33] <Razor-X> s/parsed/parsable/ [03:33] <Belutz> linlin, you could edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf [03:33] <Razor-X> but it doesen't create a ``program'' [03:34] <Razor-X> norhted: there are dvi viewers [03:34] <Belutz> Razor-X, ic... what it usually use for? [03:34] <norhted> Belutz: especially they are good for math symbols [03:34] <xie> Ubuntu install complete, rebooting, hoping the monitor works [03:34] <xie> It didn't in Warty =\ [03:34] <shammy> when i run sudo xorgcfg -textmode, and try to write to file, it says it writes but the file is still empty. What can i do to configure x? [03:35] <Belutz> norhted, ic [03:35] <norhted> Razor-X: and these viewers will help me to see .tex files in formatted; right? [03:36] <Madpilot> hi all [03:36] <Cin> I'm going insane trying to find out how to configure 3D acceleration to my gfx card, forums contain people who have already configured it. agghhh [03:36] <sprink> is it possible to install kde instead of gnome from the install cd? [03:37] <karim> sprink, kubuntu [03:37] <Madpilot> sprink: if you download the Kubuntu CD, yes [03:37] <hopeng> why my ubuntu won't save my screen resolution (1152), it always comes back to 1024... [03:37] <karim> sprink, there is a special cd with kde [03:37] <robotgeek> hopeng: still stuck with 1024? [03:37] <sprink> does that also have the same support as ubuntu? like security patch support and stuff? [03:37] <robotgeek> Madpilot: hi [03:37] <Cin> my res is reet now, i used ubuntuguide.org's guide and it got me the right reses [03:37] <hopeng> lol robotgeek !! howdy, i can do 1152x864 [03:38] <hopeng> but after i relogin, it goes back to 1024 [03:38] <norhted> Razor-X: ? [03:38] <sprink> dang. I guess I just downloaded and installed the wrong distro :( [03:38] <robotgeek> hopeng: it's in your xorg file right? [03:38] <Cin> but i've clearly not got 3D acceleration, GL screen savers and whatnot at giving 15fps rather than the supposed to be 75fps [03:38] <occy> Razor-X, I tried the instructions found here: http://www.wlug.org.nz/HotPlugNotes (half-way down the page): Disabling the touchpad when a USB mouse is added || It didn't seem to work. :/ [03:39] <Madpilot> sprink: you can change from Gnome to KDE without re-installing everything [03:39] <Razor-X> norhted: back [03:39] <robotgeek> occy: if u are on ppc, you can try powerprefs [03:39] <Razor-X> norhted: first run ``latex foo.tex'' [03:39] <Razor-X> that'll get you a .dvi [03:39] <LinuxJones> hopeng, >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto [03:39] <hopeng> robotgeek, default 24, i put only 1152 on 24, still no clue [03:39] <Razor-X> then, get a dvi viewer [03:39] <Madpilot> sprink: but I've never done it myself [03:39] <Razor-X> (I suggest KDVI, but it is a KDE app, xgdvi is o-k, nothing special) [03:40] <Razor-X> then open it up in your DVI viewer, and b00m ;) [03:40] <sprink> macewan. can I use aptitude to remove gnome. then install kde with apt-get? (if I use ubuntu cd) [03:40] <sprink> Madpilot* [03:40] <occy> robotgeek, nope... x86 [03:40] <robotgeek> occy: i dunno abt x86, sorry [03:40] <Razor-X> norhted: maybe try tkdvi? [03:40] <norhted> Razor-X: bash: latex: command not found [03:40] <occy> np [03:40] <Madpilot> sprink: I think you can just install KDE right over Gnome - but I've never done it, so I'm not sure! [03:40] <Razor-X> norhted: ................... [03:40] <occy> get Xfree/Xorg to use /dev/input/mice as the core pointer, of type IMPS/2. All mice on the system send events via /dev/input/mice as well as each individual /dev/input/mouse<n> device. Add a secondary mouse that points to /dev/input/touchpad. [03:41] <Belutz> sprink, u could install the kubuntu-desktop, using sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [03:41] <hopeng> robotgeek, LinuxJones, any software that can do 'quoating the client's bandwith?' [03:41] <occy> actually, not sure about that line. [03:41] <Razor-X> norhted: you _did_ install LaTeX, right? [03:41] <occy> don't think I did that. [03:41] <occy> heh [03:41] <norhted> Razor-X: nope :( [03:41] <sprink> Belutz. then I could remove gnome? [03:41] <Razor-X> norhted: meh [03:41] <LinuxJones> hopeng, squid proxy server [03:41] <Razor-X> sudo aptitude install tetex [03:41] <norhted> Razor-X: :) [03:41] <robotgeek> hopeng: quoting?? [03:41] <Belutz> sprink, i think so [03:41] <Razor-X> there you are [03:41] <hopeng> *quoating [03:41] <hopeng> *limiting [03:41] <norhted> Razor-X: i was just asking how to do it :) [03:41] <hopeng> tq [03:41] <Razor-X> norhted: well, check out lshort.pdf [03:42] <Razor-X> it'll get you started in LaTeX in no time [03:42] <norhted> Razor-X: from where? [03:42] <Razor-X> norhted: google [03:42] <hopeng> How to screen calibrate ? [03:42] <norhted> Razor-X: yeah, right :(( [03:42] <norhted> :)) [03:42] <Razor-X> norhted: it should be available in the first result [03:42] <Razor-X> it's a very widespread document, available on various P2Ps as well [03:43] <Belutz> sleepy... haven?t sleep yet [03:43] <norhted> Razor-X: yeah i found it [03:43] <necrogami> is there a gui for iptables? [03:43] <karim_> nice I have a new ip now [03:43] <necrogami> !find iptables [03:43] <LinuxJones> hopeng, You can do it with iptables as well >> http://www.roback.cc/howtos/bandwidth.php [03:43] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'iptables' (3 shown): iptables ;; iptables-dev ;; libiptables-ipv4-ipqueue-perl. [03:43] <isai> I followed the instructions on the Ubuntu wiki on how to setup Java (SDK only). It works on the command line but in firefox it says I need the JRE to run the java plugin. Is it okay if I install both the SDK and JRE to get the plugin working? Or should it already work with just the SDK? [03:43] <Razor-X> isai: do you develop Java? [03:43] <deprave> is it possible to get avi codec running on ubuntu anyone know [03:44] <Razor-X> !tell deprave about restrictedformats [03:44] <isai> Razor-X: no, I just want the firefox plugin. [03:44] <Razor-X> isai: then why did you use the SDK? [03:44] <Razor-X> SDK == Standard Developer's Kit [03:44] <Andares> Wrong. [03:44] <Andares> SDK == Software Developer's Kit [03:44] <Razor-X> Andares: that matters? [03:44] <isai> Razor-X: because that's what the instructions on the wiki said to do. [03:44] <Razor-X> isai: meh [03:44] <Razor-X> you'll want the JRE [03:44] <Andares> Razor-X, YES! [03:45] <jmet> I am having a horrible time of installing the latest nvidia driver [03:45] <Razor-X> Andares: ahhh, my bad ;) [03:45] <Andares> ;) j/k [03:45] <Jemt> Hi. Is there someone who can tell me how to turn off my wireless network card? I'd like to make my laptop run on battery as long as possible [03:45] <robotgeek> Razor-X: lshort.pdf is Not so short introduction, right? [03:45] <Razor-X> Jemt, and jmet, meh [03:45] <Razor-X> robotgeek: yeah [03:45] <Razor-X> incredible stuff [03:45] <isai> Do I uninstall the SDK first and then install the JDK. Or is it okay to have both installed? [03:45] <hopeng> robotgeek, LinuxJones thx a lot! [03:45] <Jemt> Razor-X, Hehe :) [03:45] <Razor-X> isai: it's fine to have both [03:45] <jmet> Razor, ? [03:46] <hopeng> how to open .RAR archive ? [03:46] <Jemt> jmet : See our nicks [03:46] <Razor-X> hopeng: get the package ``unrar'' [03:46] <isai> Razor-X: thanks. I'll just follow the instructions again but substitute the JRE for SDK. [03:46] <Octane> i just tried out enlightenment [03:46] <occy> heh [03:46] <hopeng> last night i get RAR.. [03:46] <Razor-X> Octane: nice, no? [03:46] <occy> all I have to do is simply do: rmmod psmouse [03:46] <occy> bah [03:46] <occy> heh [03:46] <jmet> lol [03:46] <hopeng> thx Razor-X [03:46] <Octane> Razor-X: nice but complicated [03:46] <Octane> Razor-X: nice eycandy :) [03:46] <occy> wild goose chase [03:46] <Razor-X> Octane: doesen't seem complicated to me [03:46] <Razor-X> I setup Eterm, and it works dandy [03:46] <Octane> Razor-X: you use it? [03:46] <Razor-X> Octane: for a bit [03:47] <Razor-X> but, Eterm stayed my default Terminal [03:47] <Octane> Razor-X: back to gnome? [03:47] <Octane> heh no shit [03:47] <Razor-X> Octane: KDE, actually [03:47] <Razor-X> Eterm kicks ass if you configure it right [03:47] <Octane> Razor-X: better than konsole? [03:47] <Razor-X> Octane: Konsole pales! [03:47] <hopeng> all the GTK themes at gnome-look.org , can ubuntu hoary use it? [03:47] <necrogami> i want to open port 80 on iptables how do i do this [03:47] <Razor-X> hopeng: yes [03:47] <Octane> Razor-X: what the hell could it do better? its just a cosnole :) [03:48] <Razor-X> Octane: when you stare at a console all day long, better is better [03:48] <jmet> I cant even install nvidia-glx through Synaptics.... [03:48] <Razor-X> the only GUI apps I use are: TuxRacer, Cube, Opera, KDVI, and KPDF [03:48] <norhted> Razor-X: this is a great document about tex, thank you.... :)) [03:48] <Razor-X> norhted: like I said, it's awesome [03:48] <mebaran151> you know Ubuntu is the only single CD distribution for AMD64 [03:48] <Razor-X> this document will take you back to the light [03:48] <mebaran151> Razor-X: what article [03:49] <jmet> error exot status 2 [03:49] <Razor-X> and you'll never have to get tainted by the evil of ``WYSIWYG Word Processing'' ever again ;) [03:49] <norhted> Razor-X: yeah :) [03:49] <jmet> exit [03:49] <Razor-X> mebaran151: lshort.pdf [03:49] <mebaran151> the biggest problem I've ever had was clumsy cutting and pasting [03:49] <Razor-X> norhted: I also suggest, though, that you use the document in the sections you need _first_ then peruse the whole thing cover to cover when you have the time [03:50] <Jemt> Could someone please tell me which package 'network-admin' belongs to? I want to perform a minimal Ubuntu installation with Xfce, but want to install some of the nice tools from Gnome. [03:50] <Razor-X> I read the general sections first, because I didn't need math formulae till later on [03:50] <Razor-X> that's when I went through the math section [03:50] <Octane> anyone here know anything about packaging deb's? i have been trying to package a damn version upgrade of taglib for the past 5 hours -- no joke [03:50] <Razor-X> Octane: man dpkg, I guess [03:50] <mebaran151> Razor-X: where do I get it, sounds interesting [03:50] <mebaran151> I used to think similarl, cli for everying [03:51] <Octane> Razor-X: you dont do it with dpkg [03:51] <Razor-X> I have some compiled stuff (Eterm, links2), but I don't think i'll release it [03:51] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I love the CLI, it's so effecient for me [03:51] <norhted> Razor-X : duly noted... [03:51] <Razor-X> and I do everything in my favorite editor ;) [03:51] <mebaran151> Razor-X: I can type faster than I can click [03:51] <Razor-X> and my favorite terminal multitasking program [03:51] <Razor-X> mebaran151: that used to be me, but my trackball kinda changed that [03:52] <mebaran151> but then I installed a tiny little pkg that that supplied a cli applet [03:52] <Razor-X> google for lshort.pdf [03:52] <mebaran151> and gui becaume a nice synthesis of both extremes [03:52] <Jemt> Could someone please tell me which package 'network-admin' belongs to? [03:52] <Razor-X> necrogami: I have that same connection ;) [03:52] <mebaran151> some file tasks are much easier done with some draggin' [03:52] <Razor-X> mmmm, Fiber Optic ;) [03:52] <mebaran151> Razor-X: fancy [03:52] <Razor-X> mebaran151: such as? ;) [03:52] <mebaran151> Razor [03:52] <mebaran151> take three disparae files [03:53] <Razor-X> only thing I like about GUI is ID3 tags [03:53] <mebaran151> from random corners of your operating system [03:53] <necrogami> 14 down 6 up [03:53] <mebaran151> and move them to one folder [03:53] <mebaran151> three commands or three clicks [03:53] <Chaotic_Shield> Can someone help me with ndiswrapper? I'm getting there. I have the wireless card installed and it's listed as a network interface. [03:53] <mebaran151> but the clicks go faster [03:53] <norhted> Razor-X : :)))) [03:53] <Chaotic_Shield> But it doesn't exactly work as a network interface. [03:53] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I use Krusader/Total Commander/Midnight Commander [03:53] <tremblay_> Anyone know how a command that will create an "Okay, all done" prompt once a script has finished executing? [03:53] <mebaran151> Razor-X: yeah [03:53] <Razor-X> so, I _don't_ point-and-click ;) [03:53] <Razor-X> I use F5, meh [03:53] <mebaran151> that is sort of GUI esque [03:54] <mebaran151> so using XFCE is kind fo close [03:54] <LinuxJones> necrogami, that's awesome [03:54] <mebaran151> esp if you use the cli applet [03:54] <Chaotic_Shield> mebaran151, you can move 3 files with one command. [03:54] <tremblay_> Chaotic_Shield, what's the problem? [03:54] <necrogami> thx [03:54] <Chaotic_Shield> cp <file1> <file2> <file3> <dest> [03:54] <mebaran151> Chaotic_Shield: it would be pretty obfuscated [03:54] <Chaotic_Shield> heh. [03:54] <Razor-X> tremblay_: if [[ function ] ] ; then; print 'Done!'; fi; [03:54] <Chaotic_Shield> That's not the point ;) [03:54] <LinuxJones> necrogami, how much is it ? [03:54] <Razor-X> errrr, sorry [03:54] <necrogami> im in the comcast test group heh ... im enjoying the connection [03:54] <Razor-X> that's zsh syntax right there ;) [03:54] <Chaotic_Shield> tremblay_, read up. [03:54] <mebaran151> necrogami: how do you join [03:54] <necrogami> same price as normal service [03:54] <postmodern> how do i enable images to be shown in emails in Evolution? [03:54] <Chaotic_Shield> The card works, but doesn't. [03:54] <necrogami> you dont join [03:54] <mebaran151> I have comcast [03:54] <mebaran151> I am getting 516 kbps [03:55] <necrogami> you get contacted [03:55] <Chaotic_Shield> Somehow, the computer isn't going [03:55] <postmodern> Evolution is not downloading the images inorder to protect my privacy [03:55] <Octane> amarok is so fucking amazing ahhhhhhhhhhh [03:55] <mebaran151> is that about what you are getting [03:55] <LinuxJones> necrogami, with what isp ? [03:55] <necrogami> Comcast [03:55] <Octane> postmodern: thats very nice of Evolution wouldnt you say [03:55] <tremblay_> Chaotic_Shield, how does it 'work' and how does it 'not work' ? :P [03:55] <Octane> :) [03:55] <dek> hola [03:55] <Razor-X> mmmm, cplay rocks for music [03:55] <necrogami> and you gotta be a certain distance from the node also i know that much [03:55] <postmodern> Octane, well yeah, except when you want to turn it off [03:55] <Razor-X> mebaran151: try LaTeX [03:55] <mebaran151> Razor-X: I might [03:55] <Razor-X> you won't go back to normal WYSIWYG -- ever [03:55] <Octane> Razor-X: cplay kde app? [03:55] <Chaotic_Shield> tremblay_, it works by the fact that it is now listed as a network interface. It doesn't work in the fact that it doesn't actually do anything, except sit there and look cool. [03:55] <mebaran151> Razor-X: I tried it [03:56] <Razor-X> Octane: it's a CLI app [03:56] <mebaran151> cplay is nie [03:56] <mebaran151> but it isnt ground breking [03:56] <Razor-X> I've heard of MPD [03:56] <tremblay_> Chaotic_Shield, at least it looks cool. [03:56] <Chaotic_Shield> lol. [03:56] <Razor-X> well, what does a music player need to do? [03:56] <necrogami> Anyone know how to open Port 80 on IPtables? [03:56] <Razor-X> make playlists? [03:56] <Chaotic_Shield> It's builtin. That's why it looks cool. [03:56] <Razor-X> and *gasp* play them? [03:56] <Razor-X> ;) [03:56] <Razor-X> and have some sort of seek function [03:56] <tremblay_> Chaotic_Shield, have you configured it in the network interface? [03:56] <Chaotic_Shield> yes. [03:57] <Chaotic_Shield> It's been given an SSID and set to use DHCP [03:57] <shammy> can someone help me? I just installed ubuntu and cant get X configured. i run xorgcfg -textmode but it never writes the file. How can i get X working? [03:57] <Chaotic_Shield> and the little checkmark saying "Device is configured" has been checked. [03:57] <scythe> hello all [03:57] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: have you tried to configure it manually? [03:57] <Razor-X> shammy: prepend a sudo [03:57] <tremblay_> Chaotic_Shield, try deactivating and reactivating it. [03:57] <poningru> rofl [03:57] <poningru> no 15mbit yet [03:57] <Chaotic_Shield> This isn't my router, so I'm not going to fuck around with static IPs and such. [03:57] <tremblay_> Works for me. [03:57] <poningru> only 5mbit [03:57] <shammy> Razor-X: I did [03:57] <Razor-X> 15 mbit here, mmmm, fiber optic ;) [03:58] <necrogami> Anyone had any experience w/ configureing a Cisco Modem? [03:58] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: DHCP is more fscking ;) [03:58] <Razor-X> although, i've been hearing that DHCP has been acting up on certain boxes [03:58] <DukGalNamu> hey why would i have 111 processes running? [03:58] <Razor-X> DukGalNamu: because you do? [03:58] <tremblay_> Chaotic_Shield, sudo ifdown wlan0 (or whatever) and sudo ifup wlan0.. [03:58] <DukGalNamu> Razor-X: never had that many before [03:58] <necrogami> my gigabit nic wont activate on ubuntu [03:58] <Chaotic_Shield> pft [03:59] <necrogami> its fully detected just it wont come on [03:59] <DukGalNamu> Razor-X: typically only about 60 [03:59] <Chaotic_Shield> my freakin Gigabit works. [03:59] <Razor-X> I have 77 processes [03:59] <Chaotic_Shield> But my Truemobile n'est pas. [03:59] <Razor-X> DukGalNamu: read the process list, maybe? [03:59] <Madpilot> DukGalNamu: I've got ~130 running... don't worry about it... [03:59] <_Icebreaker_> need some help. The installation can't setup a bootloader(lilo/grub) but i don't know why. What could be a problem for this? [03:59] <Chaotic_Shield> lol. [03:59] <DukGalNamu> Razor-X: yeahi wouldn't but it happened like overnight [03:59] <mebaran151> so freaking silent [03:59] <mebaran151> so nice [03:59] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I've heard about Shuttle [04:00] <elmagozizou> Hi I have two copmputers in my network...One of them have windows on it(My father computer) and my comuter is runing ubuntu...Can any one tell me where to get documentation about how to get to a windows computer from linux? [04:00] <mebaran151> elmagozizou: one word: samba [04:00] <Razor-X> holy! [04:00] <Chaotic_Shield> pft. [04:00] <Chaotic_Shield> Google > * [04:00] <Razor-X> they're -- EXPENSIVO [04:00] <mebaran151> jut look for all the samba packages [04:00] <DukGalNamu> elmagozizou: apt-get install smb4k [04:00] <necrogami> Google Grid > * [04:00] <DukGalNamu> elmagozizou: then run smb4k in a bash shell [04:01] <necrogami> NICE! [04:01] <Razor-X> elmagozizou: you mean access the Windows files? [04:01] <necrogami> IPv6 [04:01] <Razor-X> necrogami: mmmm? [04:01] <necrogami> Crispy who [04:01] <elmagozizou> DukGalNamu, ok... [04:01] <necrogami> Crispy who's ya isp? [04:01] <DukGalNamu> elmagozizou: or you could do it the command line way [04:01] <mebaran151> Razor-X: I am distributing my computing over 3 shuttle xpc's [04:01] <elmagozizou> Razor-X, yeahpp like that [04:01] <Chaotic_Shield> can you mount remote drives? [04:01] <DukGalNamu> elmagozizou: which i still haven't figured out [04:01] <mebaran151> silent but amazing [04:01] <DukGalNamu> elmagozizou: you windows PC needs to have shares [04:02] <necrogami> crispynix-v6 has joined this channel. (~c@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:30ef) IPV6 ip address ... ~.~ i want one [04:02] <elmagozizou> DukGalNamu, let me try samba.. [04:02] <Madpilot> mebaran151: 3? cool, but pricey... [04:02] <mebaran151> Madpilot: a little bit [04:02] <DukGalNamu> elmagozizou: smb4k is sambe [04:02] <mebaran151> onlyl one is shuttle [04:02] <Razor-X> mebaran151: expensivo, man, expensivo [04:02] <mebaran151> the rest were barebones [04:02] <elmagozizou> DukGalNamu, the files that I would acces are the ones that are in share? only? [04:02] <DukGalNamu> elmagozizou: except it is a GUI version of the network [04:02] <mebaran151> that I picked up on sale [04:02] <crispynix-v6> necrogami: www.freenet6.net is what I use (tunnel broker) [04:02] <Razor-X> what kind of cluster are you using, mebaran151 ? [04:03] <mebaran151> still trying to figure that out [04:03] <necrogami> oh [04:03] <DukGalNamu> elmagozizou: not in share, but that are designated as share folders [04:03] <mebaran151> using drb now [04:03] <crispynix-v6> my ISP is still IPv4 :/ [04:03] <mebaran151> and making it all those tasks ruby scripts [04:03] <Madpilot> mebaran151: OK, that makes (financial) sense! one server, one desktop and one ??? [04:03] <jantan21> hi alll [04:03] <scythe> what is the best bittorrent client for linux [04:03] <mebaran151> Madpilot: I am not so wealthy [04:03] <mebaran151> as to afford three of them! [04:03] <Amaranth> scythe: gnome-btdownload or bittorrent 4.1.2 [04:04] <Razor-X> if my dad actually buys me a desktop this weekend [04:04] <DukGalNamu> elmagozizou: just get smb4k and you should be able to get whatever you need, if you still neeed help then the guys over at #samba are really helpful [04:04] <Razor-X> because he's so fed up at me putting Linux on this computer [04:04] <mebaran151> one of them is a Via C3 for 200 dollars [04:04] <Razor-X> two words [04:04] <mebaran151> really nice [04:04] <Razor-X> KICK ASS [04:04] <mebaran151> Razor-X: the power of Linux [04:04] <Madpilot> Razor-X: prebuilt box or are you going to be able to roll your own? [04:04] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I can see that [04:04] <necrogami> mebaran151: Rupy > All Other Programming :-P [04:04] <xie> Always build your own :O [04:04] <mebaran151> Razor-X: get the parts and build it yourself [04:04] <DukGalNamu> Madpilot: rollyour own? [04:04] <scythe> what is the best bittorrent client for ubuntu? [04:04] <Razor-X> Madpilot: I doubt my dad would let me roll it all on my own [04:04] <mebaran151> it is easy [04:05] <mebaran151> nah [04:05] <elmagozizou> DukGalNamu, ok..tnks...can you tell me where can i get networking documentation for linux? [04:05] <mebaran151> cheap and easy [04:05] <DukGalNamu> Madpilot: you sound like a cigar specialist :p [04:05] <xie> You get so much more bang for the buck when you make your own [04:05] <mebaran151> esp if you get one of teh Via kits [04:05] <Razor-X> well, I was looking at the Shuttle for portability [04:05] <DukGalNamu> elmagozizou: i wish i knew :P [04:05] <mebaran151> that are so so quiet [04:05] <Madpilot> "roll your own" = build yourself from components - nothing to do with cigars! [04:05] <Razor-X> the specs are decent, but put this machine to shame [04:05] <mebaran151> Razor-X: I have a shuttle [04:05] <mebaran151> it is NICe [04:05] <DukGalNamu> Madpilot: sure.... [04:05] <mebaran151> nothing nicer in the world [04:05] <mebaran151> the build quality, the cooling [04:05] <jantan21> i want install ubuntu and warning is kernel, what is linux 386, linuk-image-386,etc help me ? [04:05] <mebaran151> it is really astounding [04:05] <elmagozizou> DukGalNamu, jajaa ok... [04:05] <DukGalNamu> Madpilot: i actually got some wholesale suppliers, and i build for businesses [04:06] <Razor-X> first thing i'm gonna do is split my partitions in half [04:06] <Razor-X> baby, w00t [04:06] <DukGalNamu> ? [04:06] <isai> I have installed both the SDK and JRE for java as detailed in the Ubuntu wiki, yet still firefox does not the available plugins. [04:06] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I know I could never build something like Shuttle's PCs [04:06] <isai> help? [04:06] <DukGalNamu> alright i am out of here [04:06] <mebaran151> Razor-X: I did yesterday [04:06] <mebaran151> relaly easy [04:06] <nalioth> isai: what platform are you using? [04:06] <mebaran151> i bought a barebones kit with skt 939 [04:06] <mebaran151> around 249 dollars with a kickass ase [04:06] <isai> x86, pentium M [04:07] <mebaran151> sale on 160 gig Seagate for 80 [04:07] <mebaran151> an A64 for 250 and an ooptical for 80 [04:07] <deprave> ? [04:07] <jantan21> hello help me [04:07] <mebaran151> very good deal [04:07] <dooonz> hey guys my bro has a wireless card in his desktop computer. It keeps disconnecting but my lappy will stay connected wirelessly for how ever long its on for. is there a setting i can set so that my bro doesnt get disconnected [04:07] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I don't have hardware skill ;) [04:08] <Razor-X> my hands are like sticky fudge [04:08] <xie> You can't really break anything [04:08] <jantan21> hi alll help me [04:08] <Madpilot> Razor-X: you really don't need hardware skills to put together a PC [04:08] <xie> And all you need is a screwdriber [04:08] <xie> driver* [04:08] <Razor-X> Madpilot: I've build one before [04:08] <Razor-X> but, something like Shuttle.... [04:08] <tremblay_> jantan21, linux-386 is for 32bit processors. [04:08] <Madpilot> shuttle would be fiddlier, yeah [04:08] <mebaran151> Razor-X: toolless man [04:09] <ccesario> hey... how to configure BR ABNT2 keyboard in breezy.... the / and ? keys don't work :( [04:09] <mebaran151> the shuttle kits are really well designed [04:09] <mebaran151> all you need is a nice screwdriver [04:09] <Madpilot> my next box is going to be a shuttle, if I can afford it... [04:09] <jeru> When trying to install nvidia-glx within Synaptics or apt-get I get the following error message "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.7174-0ubuntu1_i386.deb: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2" [04:09] <Madpilot> but this box is only 4 months old now... [04:09] <Random_Sindrom> jantan21...386 is the architecture of the machine [04:09] <jantan21> i want install ubuntu and warning is kernel, what me select, choose linux 386, linuk-image-386,etc help me ? [04:09] <jeru> Tried a different cd to pull archive of the file off of as well as downloading from net [04:09] <Madpilot> bbl [04:10] <Flying_Eagle> hi [04:10] <jantan21> random sindrom : what me select, choose linux 386, linuk-image-386,etc help me ? [04:10] <Flying_Eagle> do you know where the pypanel-package has gone? [04:10] <mebaran151> Madpilot: they arent THAT expesnive if you roll your own [04:10] <mebaran151> just a little more than a standard rig [04:10] <jantan21> my computer is p2-400 mem 128 [04:10] <mebaran151> jantan21: choose the first one [04:10] <mebaran151> it contains all the rest [04:10] <mebaran151> oh [04:11] <Random_Sindrom> jantan21... if you got a pc choose linux 386 [04:11] <mebaran151> i386 I believe [04:11] <xie> You can build a decent gaming computer for around $500 especially if you can salvage parts [04:11] <jeru> Any ideas? [04:11] <jantan21> thx's all [04:11] <linlin> opinions on DVD authoring/burning software??? [04:11] <linlin> suggestions rather [04:11] <jantan21> i try first, thx's [04:12] <mebaran151> linlin: uh gnomebaker is pretty good [04:12] <mebaran151> graveman is decent [04:12] <mebaran151> oh dvd author makes video dvd's [04:12] <linlin> any all in one shit out there like roxio? [04:12] <mebaran151> linlin: roxio doesnt make movies does it? [04:13] <linlin> yes with menus and such [04:13] <mebaran151> ah [04:13] <mebaran151> well Linux splits that off [04:13] <mebaran151> I dont know the package off hand [04:13] <mebaran151> but I know my myth TV setup can do it [04:13] <linlin> yes as can mine [04:14] <mebaran151> yeah [04:14] <mebaran151> nothing really all in one [04:14] <Octane> anyone here know anything about packaging deb's? i have been trying to package a damn version upgrade of taglib for the past 5 hours -- no joke [04:14] <mebaran151> it is a bad idea to do it that way [04:14] <linlin> ok [04:14] <linlin> i guess menus are not totally vital [04:14] <mebaran151> Octane: checkinstall? [04:15] <linlin> just conversion tools and stuff [04:15] <mebaran151> linlin: I think you can make menus [04:15] <Octane> mebaran151: checkinstall? [04:15] <mebaran151> Octane, if all you need is a local pkg [04:15] <mebaran151> checkinstall will make it for you [04:15] <mebaran151> I dont think you can ommit it though [04:15] <Octane> mebaran151: i am trying to package taglib 1.4 (1.3.1 is latest deb) [04:15] <Octane> i tried using uupdate [04:15] <Octane> you familiar with that method [04:16] <scythe> how do i compile a .h file [04:16] <Albaraha> $ runlevel [04:16] <Albaraha> unknown [04:16] <Albaraha> Is this normal? [04:17] <mebaran151> scythe: you dont [04:17] <LinuxJones> Albaraha, try runlevel [04:17] <mebaran151> h files just declare to the compiler how a function works [04:17] <Albaraha> scythe, .h is a header file. It's not compiled it's included in c or cpp files [04:17] <mebaran151> so that it doesnt have to penetrate an opaque binar [04:17] <mebaran151> y [04:17] <LinuxJones> Albaraha, should say N 2 [04:17] <scythe> ahhh. back to the search then [04:17] <scythe> thanx [04:17] <Albaraha> unknown [04:18] <LinuxJones> Albaraha, did you do a normal install of Ubuntu ? [04:18] <scythe> why can i find the libdvdcss package... or where can i get a more extensive sources.list? [04:18] <Madpilot> !repos [04:18] <ubotu> [repos] at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [04:18] <scythe> thax [04:18] <scythe> thanx too [04:18] <Madpilot> scythe: see the URL ubotu just posted [04:19] <Albaraha> I'm not in Ubuntu atm, LinuxJones. It's Sorcerer Linux which has the problem [04:19] <linlin> Razor-X whats so great [04:19] <Razor-X> mebaran151: http://www.sosdg.org/~razorx/totalpwnage.wav [04:19] <scythe> yeah, checking it nows [04:19] <isai> after installing java SDK and JRE, I have found this compiled in my system: libjavaplugin_oji.so. Can I just dump this in .mozilla in a plugin directory? [04:19] <Burgundavia> scythe, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats also has more info [04:19] <hopeng> !tell hopeng about cvs [04:20] <isai> Can someone who has the java plugin run a 'locate' on their system for libjavaplugin_oji.so and tell where it is? [04:20] <LinuxJones> Albaraha, well that's not really a question for this channel :D [04:21] <Albaraha> but, this is a general linux question [04:21] <QMario> Is the CHAINTECH SLV3-128 Volari V3 128MB DDR AGP 4X/8X Video Card supported in Ubuntu? [04:22] <dougsk> QMario, isn't that an nvidia chipset? [04:22] <Amaranth> never heard of it [04:22] <Amaranth> we need to know who makes the chipset [04:22] <Amaranth> err, the GPU [04:23] <dougsk> Amaranth, yeah your right gpu prolly better word [04:23] <LinuxJones> Albaraha, yes, it is not normal for that command to fail, maybe they renamed the script file or something. [04:23] <QMario> Dougsk, no Chipset: Volari V3 [04:23] <dougsk> QMario, ah was reading yes your right not nvidia at all. hhmm [04:23] <QMario> Dougsk, no. Chipset: Volari V3 [04:24] <xie> Thats it, I am officially done with ubuntu linux [04:24] <Madpilot> isai: /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so [04:24] <Flying_Eagle> anyone using pypanel here? [04:25] <Amaranth> QMario: If they have linux drivers it supported but you have to get the drivers from them. [04:25] <JDahl> xie, what's wrong? [04:25] <xie> I just spent the past few DAYS getting it installed properly and it still doesn't display anything [04:25] <xie> Booting Ubuntu... and then blank screen [04:25] <QMario> Amaranth, they have Red Hat and SUSE drivers. Will those work? [04:26] <Jemt> Could someone please help me make my scroll work? I don't use a mouse but a Trackpoint (IBM X31 laptop) [04:26] <Jemt> I really can't do without scroll :) [04:27] <dougsk> QMario, hmm, I can't tell tbh. You might try configuring using the vesa driver if vesa2.0 is supported on the gfx card. That will get you going, no hardware acceleration though [04:30] <LinuxJones> ouch !!! [04:31] <dougsk> wb [04:32] <QMario> Amaranth, I also received help from #KUBUNTU. http://pastebin.com/325839 [04:32] <Amaranth> QMario: Have you actually tried this driver? [04:32] <QMario> Yes. [04:32] <QMario> X Window would not load. [04:32] <scythe> gott a question on my hdparm.conf [04:33] <Jemt> Hi again. Could someone please help me setup scroll for my IBM X31 laptop (Trackpoint) [04:33] <QMario> I even edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf [04:33] <liable> Option "EmulateWheelButton" "2" [04:33] <liable> Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" [04:33] <scythe> would /dev/hdc { (line break) dma = on (line break)} work? [04:33] <Jemt> QMario : Have you tried 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' ? The tool will guide you through the setup process [04:34] <QMario> Not yet. [04:34] <Amaranth> Jemt: no, he is installing a custom driver [04:34] <Amaranth> QMario: "Doesn't load" doesn't tell me much. [04:35] <QMario> X Windows doesn't display a graphical user interface. The monitor is blank and black. The keyboard turns off. [04:35] <QMario> Although the computer is still on. [04:35] <Amaranth> err [04:35] <Amaranth> *shrug* [04:35] <Jemt> Amaranth: Oh, ok. Sorry :) [04:35] <Amaranth> sorry [04:37] <QMario> What distribution of Linux will work with this video card? [04:38] <_Icebreaker_> how can i use 2monitors on ubuntu? [04:38] <QMario> Do you have two video cards? [04:39] <_Icebreaker_> onevideo card that ist dual headed [04:39] <dougsk> QMario, you might try Jemt's suggestion and use the 'vesa' driver to get going. As best as I can quickly tell (http://x.org/X11R6.8.2/doc/manindex4.html) x doesn't support that particular card. [04:40] <QMario> Sorry, I don't know. [04:40] <QMario> :( [04:40] <Jemt> QMario: What kind of Video Card are you installing ? [04:40] <Jemt> Or trying to install [04:40] <dougsk> QMario, that's not a final answer though, there might be support for it and you may get going, I'm certainly not an authority [04:41] <Jemt> Does anyone know how to turn off a wireless network card? It consumes power and i'm running on batteries :) [04:42] <scythe> can you turn one off, or just unload the module? [04:42] <_Icebreaker_> is the base install of ubuntu able to mount ntfs part readonly? [04:42] <QMario> Jemt, 'CHAINTECH SLV3-128 Volari V3 128MB DDR AGP 4X/8X Video Card'. [04:42] <dougsk> Jemt, most laptops have a physical switch near the touchpad to turn them off. Some have bios options or magic key combos [04:43] <Jemt> dougsk: Heh, yeah - thanks. Normally I can use fn+F5 - but it only works in WinSux :) [04:43] <QMario> Dougsk, thank you. Unfortunately, I am already using vesa. Yuck! Hey, but I am grateful that it works. :) [04:43] <desrt> _Icebreaker_; yes. [04:43] <knowledge_> guys...what can be done about "qmake not found in current PATH. Maybe QT development environment isn't available (qt3-devel)."?? [04:44] <_Icebreaker_> desrt: can you just descripe how to do that? [04:44] <desrt> _Icebreaker_; do you know what device the partition is on? [04:44] <desrt> like /dev/hda1 or whatever? [04:44] <dougsk> QMario, ah vesa isn't to bad with some cards. [04:44] <_Icebreaker_> must be hda1 and hda2 [04:44] <desrt> two ntfs partitions? [04:44] <_Icebreaker_> there are mor but one example should be enough [04:44] <dougsk> Jemt, hmm some laptops thinkpad's in particular have additional programs that can be installed to offer additional support [04:45] <desrt> ok. what do you want to call it... like "nt" or "windows" or "c"? [04:45] <Jemt> QMario: Oh, ok. Don't know that card - sorry. But most cards work with the Vesa driver [04:45] <desrt> and do you want to mount it just this once or always on bootup? [04:45] <Jemt> dougsk: Really? Sounds great. I'll check apt-get [04:45] <_Icebreaker_> should be mounted every time [04:45] <_Icebreaker_> when i boot up [04:45] <desrt> _Icebreaker_; k. pick a name [04:46] <_Icebreaker_> windows :P [04:46] <desrt> ok. sudo mkdir /mnt/windows [04:46] <desrt> then sudo vi /etc/fstab [04:46] <desrt> at the bottom, add a line like this: [04:46] <desrt> /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs ro,uid=yourusername 0 0 [04:46] <mrt> Can anybody log on ICQ with gaim ? [04:47] <_Icebreaker_> im using nano. its familar to me [04:47] <desrt> _Icebreaker_; that's cool :) [04:47] <desrt> done? [04:48] <_Icebreaker_> yes i gues i have to edit uid= [04:48] <desrt> yes. put your username there :) [04:48] <desrt> by default only one user can access the files on ntfs [04:48] <knowledge_> Anyone? [04:48] <_Icebreaker_> would that work with gid too? [04:48] <desrt> no [04:48] <desrt> it's accessible only to the user [04:49] <desrt> if you want, you can use "umask" to open up the permissions some [04:49] <desrt> like umask=222 to make it readable to everyone [04:49] <desrt> (instead of uid=) [04:49] <desrt> but then anyone can read any file on the entire filesystem [04:49] <desrt> even if it's protected under windows [04:50] <_Icebreaker_> oh. thanks vor your help [04:50] <desrt> now you should be able to type: sudo mount /mnt/windows [04:50] <desrt> to check if it worked [04:51] <_Icebreaker_> ok it works thank you [04:51] <desrt> np. cheers. [04:51] <QMario> Do any of you guys know if the 'CHAINTECH SLV3-128 Volari V3 128MB DDR AGP 4X/8X Video Card' will work with any Linux distributions? [04:52] <bob2> the chipset is more important to know than whateve rcompany stuck their name on it [04:52] <Amaranth> Volari V3 [04:52] <Amaranth> it's an XGI thing [04:52] <bob2> XGI? [04:52] <Amaranth> that's a company... [04:53] <xkuseme> can anyone tell me how to install windows after i already have ubuntu? [04:53] <Nameeater> is it possible to switch user like in win xp where it keeps the other users apps etc going? [04:53] <Amaranth> it looks like a kickass card, honestly [04:53] <Amaranth> cheap, fast, and full-featured [04:53] <bob2> Nameeater: of course [04:53] <DonL> Amaranth, have you bought it yet? [04:53] <bob2> Amaranth: and with no useful drivers [04:54] <bob2> Nameeater: applications -> system -> new login [04:54] <Amaranth> bob2: suse and rhel :( [04:54] <desrt> QMario; i'd have to guess no. [04:54] <Amaranth> bob2: probably built for one specific kernel version [04:54] <ryan_> anyone know of a good download manager? [04:54] <desrt> QMario; unless it has either an nvidia, ati or matrox chipset on it [04:54] <Nameeater> awsome!! thanks bob2 :) [04:54] <desrt> ryan_; wget :) [04:55] <toad3030> what is the gears command? [04:55] <desrt> or if you need advanced management capabilities, wget + screen [04:55] <desrt> toad3030; glxgears [04:55] <bob2> toad3030: glxgears? [04:55] <xkuseme> bob2: canyou help me too [04:55] <toad3030> ty [04:55] <_Icebreaker_> desrt: how can i look for the exact device names of my partitions? fdisk /dev/hdb???? [04:55] <ryan_> desrt, does it have a gui? [04:55] <bob2> bear in mind it is not a useful benchmark, though [04:55] <desrt> _Icebreaker_; fdisk -l [04:55] <bob2> xkuseme: google [04:55] <desrt> _Icebreaker_; sudo fdisk -l, even [04:56] <DonL> Amaranth, I've learned to research hardware so I buy what works with my system [04:56] <Jemt> Hm, why is it that difficult to turn off a wireless network card. That's quite irritating [04:56] <ryan_> anyone know of a good download manager _WITH A GUI_ [04:56] <ryan_> :) [04:56] <toad3030> is there anybody that can help me w/ installing cedega? [04:56] <bob2> ryan_: apt-cache search download manager [04:56] <dougsk> ryan_, d4x is used by some [04:56] <Jemt> ryan_: Havn't tried it yet - but maby gdm [04:57] <bob2> Jemt: it's not, but it is hardware specific [04:57] <Jemt> ryan_, Wait a sec [04:57] <bob2> toad3030: #cedega [04:57] <toad3030> ok thx [04:57] <Jemt> ryan_, Think I gave you the name of a display manager :) [04:57] <jasmuz> toad3030: what is your issue? [04:57] <ryan_> Jemt, you got it handy/ [04:57] <ryan_> ?** [04:57] <bob2> xkuseme: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows?highlight=%28windows%29 [04:58] <toad3030> i'm following the instruction on how to install, but nothing is working [04:58] <xkuseme> bob2: thanks [04:58] <bob2> toad3030: you paid transgaming money, presumably they give you support? [04:59] <Jemt> ryan_, d4x perhaps :) [05:00] <ryan_> ok thanks [05:00] <adwait> hey ppl....not exactly an ubuntu question, but do you have any idea if I can connect my laptop AND my computer to a DLink DSL-502T? [05:00] <Jemt> ryan_, [05:00] <Jemt> ryan_: 'apt-get install d4x' [05:00] <bob2> adwait: er, surely your manual answers that? [05:00] <adwait> bob2: cant find the manual :p [05:00] <ryan_> got it jemt thanks mate ;) [05:00] <xkuseme> bob2: can i just unplug my ubuntu hd, make the other hd master, install windows and then switch it back to slave and boot into ubuntu and add the new hd to grub? will that work? [05:00] <Jemt> ryan_: np :) [05:00] <bob2> will windows boot from a slave drive at all? [05:01] <adwait> bob2: it has an ethernet port and a usb port,........so i was thinking, if i connect one to computer and the other to the laptop...it shoudld work right? [05:01] <knowledge_> guys...what can be done about "qmake not found in current PATH. Maybe QT development environment isn't available (qt3-devel)."?? [05:01] <bob2> I haven't really used windows since win98 [05:01] <toad3030> bob2: btw nobody in that channel is helping either, that is why i came here [05:01] <bob2> adwait: why don't you just try it? [05:01] <xkuseme> bob2: i don't know [05:01] <dougsk> adwait, most modem/routers won't work if both usb and ethernet is in use (usb turns ethernet off) [05:01] <bob2> knowledge_: a) google, b) install libqt3-mt-dev, c) /usr/share/doc/libqt3-mt-dev/README.Debian [05:01] <nomasteryoda> adwait, er, I don't think it will [05:01] <nomasteryoda> you need to get a hub [05:01] <nomasteryoda> or switch [05:02] <xkuseme> bob2: i could even leave the windows hd as second master [05:02] <nomasteryoda> at least here in the states, they can be had for sub $20 [05:02] <QMario> Is either Redhat or SUSE free? [05:02] <bob2> ok, but I have no idea if windows has had that bug fixed or not [05:02] <digitalfox> QMario, Fedora Core is [05:02] <knowledge_> bob2, Thanks [05:02] <nomasteryoda> QMario, not like Ubuntu though [05:02] <digitalfox> QMario, which is based on RedHat [05:02] <bob2> QMario: their beta versions are [05:03] <QMario> Sorry guys. I desperately want to use Linux with this video card. [05:03] <Jemt> Does anyone know how to disable a wireless network card on a IBM Thinkpad ? [05:03] <flask-> hi, I went and added the backports repository line to my sources.list and ran an update, and now certain packages aren't found anywhere in my available list, specifically there are no packages for Adobe Acrobat [05:03] <nomasteryoda> QMario, what card? [05:03] <QMario> I don't want to go back to Windows. :( [05:03] <bob2> you can't return it for a better supported card? [05:03] <DonL> Just tonight I put Kubuntu into my Ubuntu box. That's the extent I'll go to dual booting. I used to dual boot. Still had to have anti virus, anti ad, anti everything [05:03] <dougsk> xkuseme, bob2 asked a valid question will windows even boot on the slave drive? That is hardware dependent. if you do move drives around ubuntu will at least nead fstab changed indicating the new partition locations [05:03] <bob2> flask-: acrobat probably isn't legally redistributable by anyone [05:03] <nomasteryoda> Jemt, sure there should be button combo with Fn lock key [05:03] <flask-> bob2: ok [05:03] <QMario> Nomasteryoda, Chaintec Volari V3 [05:04] <Jemt> nomasteryoda: Dosn't work in Linux [05:04] <nomasteryoda> so that has nvidia chip? [05:04] <nomasteryoda> awe [05:04] <Amaranth> QMario: XGI Volari V3 [05:04] <QMario> Will my video card work with Fedora Core? [05:04] <Amaranth> QMario: chaintech is just the person who puts the parts on the board and ships it [05:04] <dougsk> QMario, no I don't think so, other than with vesa [05:04] <QMario> Amaranth, true. [05:04] <puff> evening. [05:04] <bob2> QMario: #fedora [05:04] <xkuseme> dougsk: i mean i am gonna trick the windows, just for the installation i'll make it master ubuntu won't even notice, coz the next time i boot into it it will be switched back to slave [05:04] <QMario> Okay, hold on. [05:04] <nomasteryoda> QMario, also on #suse [05:05] <dougsk> xkuseme, that is doable supposing the motherboard/bios supports booting to another drive besides the first primary [05:05] <puff> I tried to use synaptic to install something, it asked for the ubuntu install disk. [05:05] <bob2> puff: so put it in, or configure synaptic to only use the internet [05:05] <QMario> Thank you guys. :) I will ask the people at those channels. [05:05] <xkuseme> dougsk: that is what i am wondering about [05:06] <puff> bob2: Yeah, I put the Cd in, I'm wondering what files I need to copy from the CD, and where I need to put them, to avoid needing it in the future. [05:06] <Jemt> dougsk: If you are trying to recover your boot loader, it should be quite easy. Chroot into your Linux installation, run 'grub' and install it in the MBR that way [05:06] <bob2> puff: you'd need to copy the whole cd somewhere [05:06] <scythe> hello, im back [05:07] <DonL> puff, make sure the cd is in, and repeat the same request [05:07] <_Icebreaker_> i want to play mp3 but i cant find the package gstreamer8.0-mad [05:07] <Jemt> dougsk: If you want to know more about chrooting you could read the chapter about this subject in the Gentoo Handbook at gentoo.org [05:07] <bob2> because it's not called that [05:07] <bob2> it's gstreamer0.8-made [05:07] <bob2> er, mad [05:08] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, and linked from the FAQ [05:08] <puff> Hm, i installed mplayer (via apt-get) but it says it has no plugin to handle mp3s. [05:08] <ryan_> How come with the default theme, and with most others, text on websites is often the same as the forgrund colour? is ther ea way to fix this? [05:08] <dougsk> Jemt, ah yeah, grub-install I think, but that still doesn't work without changing fstab entries to reflect the new partition locations (s|h)d{a,b,c...) [05:09] <dougsk> Jemt, but it's not really relevent to me at this point, I'm not swapping drives about [05:09] <Jemt> dougsk, Okay [05:10] <puff> odd question, why does the ubuntu site always redirect to ssl? [05:10] <ryan_> bob2, How come with the default theme, and with most others, text on websites is often the same as the forgrund colour? is ther ea way to fix this? [05:10] <bob2> you need to be way more specific [05:11] <bob2> ie which browser? which website? [05:11] <dougsk> puff, they like our protecting our privacy more than we do? no teasing, I dunno thawte was pretty big into crypto at one time or another [05:11] <ryan_> bob2, its in firefox, and it actually occurs on apps as well [05:11] <Jemt> Hm, just found out that I got no sound in any of my games. Could someone help me debug my system = [05:11] <puff> Thawte is behind ubuntu? [05:11] <Jemt> ? [05:11] <bob2> "apps"? [05:11] <bob2> puff: no [05:11] <puff> bob2: the url you just pasted, in firefox. [05:11] <bob2> puff: except in the sense that the founder of Canonical got rich by starting thawte... [05:11] <puff> ah-ha. [05:11] <Amaranth> Super rich. [05:11] <bob2> Jemt: pkill esd [05:12] <bob2> ryan_: doesn't oocur here [05:12] <Amaranth> Like $20,000,000 to go into space doesn't put a dent in his funds rich. ;) [05:12] <ryan_> bob2 it was like that when i first booted [05:12] <Jemt> bob2, roger [05:12] <Amaranth> Like makes more money from investments than the entire Linux service industry rich. (debconf joke) [05:12] <DonL> Amaranth, I didn't know that, but it's good he's putting it back [05:12] <Amaranth> aye [05:12] <Jemt> bob2: done. started esd again. Got sounds from Gnome but not from my games [05:13] <dougsk> Amaranth, just watched that today, even! laughed pretty good [05:13] <bob2> Jemt: er, no, don't restart it [05:13] <Jemt> Oh , ok [05:13] <dougsk> I haven't watched the rcs speech yet, but it's on the todo [05:13] <Jemt> bob2: Great, worked [05:14] <Jemt> bob2: So I haft to kill 'esd' every time I reboot = [05:14] <Jemt> ? [05:14] <bob2> no [05:14] <Jemt> Oh, great ! [05:14] <bob2> you have to decide what you want to do [05:14] <bob2> simplest is to kill it before running legacy apps like games [05:14] <Jemt> bob2: What choices do I have ? [05:14] <bob2> hardest is to get everything to use alsa and dmix [05:15] <Jemt> Oh [05:15] <Jemt> Used alsa back in Mandrake and Gentoo [05:15] <Jemt> Oh well. I can live with killing it once in a while :) [05:15] <bob2> and you're using alsa on ubuntu, too, of course [05:15] <Jemt> Ok. Could be using OSS (i think it's the name of the new sound server) [05:16] <bob2> no [05:16] <Jemt> Oh [05:16] <bob2> OSS is the name of the old set of sound drivers [05:16] <dougsk> so what does the magic eight-ball say for unified sound system (gstreamer?) anyways? [05:16] <bob2> ALSA has replace it almost entirely [05:16] <Jemt> Oh, IC. Thanks - good to know :) [05:17] <bob2> everything in gnome seems to be moving towards gstreamer [05:17] <bob2> I predict someone creating an entirely incompatible "kstreamer" soon [05:17] <Jemt> Hehe :) [05:17] <Jemt> esd - what is that exactly ? [05:17] <dougsk> bob2, so where does that leave threaded sounds and esd? [05:17] <bob2> it's a "sound daemon" [05:17] <HrdwrBoB> bob2: KDE is allegedly supporting gstreamer [05:17] <HrdwrBoB> Jemt: it's the bane of our existance [05:17] <bob2> instead of apps talking to the sound card, esd owns it, and apps talk to it [05:18] <dougsk> does gstreamer handle gaim and evolution going beep at the same time [05:18] <bob2> dougsk: hopefully going away [05:18] <dougsk> bob2, ah cool [05:18] <knowledge_> libqt3-mt-dev: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (=3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3) but 3:3.3.4-3 is to be installed [05:18] <Jemt> bob2, Oh, what I would refer to as an interface - i guess :) [05:18] <bob2> dougsk: it would, since you'd configure gstreamer to use alsa and dmix [05:18] <knowledge_> Depends: libxft-dev but it is not going to be installed [05:18] <knowledge_> I can't figure this out [05:18] <bob2> knowledge_: your sources.list is broken [05:18] <bob2> knowledge_: paste it to /etc/apt/sources.list [05:18] <knowledge_> bob2, Paste what? [05:18] <HrdwrBoB> dougsk: technically gstreamer is a 'glue' [05:18] <HrdwrBoB> dougsk: it doesn't do anything per se [05:18] <HrdwrBoB> it just facilitates communication between components [05:19] <bob2> knowledge_: er, your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood [05:19] <Jemt> bob2: Still can't figure out how killing 'esd' solved my problem. Does the games communicate directly with the sound card ? [05:19] <DonL> Wow. That's interesting. I didn't know how that worked [05:19] <HrdwrBoB> Jemt: yes [05:19] <dougsk> HrdwrBoB, ah well I thought er maybe not, I was assuming it well hmm, I think I need to read [05:19] <bob2> Jemt: yes [05:19] <HrdwrBoB> Jemt: esd had exclusive use of your soundcard [05:19] <bob2> Jemt: and most cards don't let two programs do that, so if esd had it first... [05:20] <HrdwrBoB> dougsk: think of gstreamer like the codec infrastructure in windows [05:20] <Jemt> Ah, okay. Makes perfect sense. Thanks alot, guys :) [05:20] <bob2> emu10k1-based cards are the only ones that don't do that under linux, afaik [05:20] <dougsk> HrdwrBoB, thanks [05:20] <JayParadise> is there anything wrong with having a short lease time like 10 minutes [05:20] <bob2> I gather windows has some sort of mixer in the kernel? [05:20] <knowledge_> pasted [05:20] <knowledge_> bob2, [05:20] <bob2> knowledge_: er [05:21] <DonL> bob2, I put in a SB live card when I was having problems, and everything was fixed [05:21] <bob2> knowledge_: that seems kinda obvious [05:21] <jasmuz> guys im having problems making my pgp keys, i get an eof..gpg: no writable public keyring found: eof [05:21] <jasmuz> Key generation failed: eof [05:21] <bob2> knowledge_: now paste "apt-cache policy libqt3-mt-dev" to #flood [05:21] <HrdwrBoB> dougsk: that's because the SB live driver you can have multiple connections to [05:21] <HrdwrBoB> dougsk: which is why it's the best for use in linux [05:21] <HrdwrBoB> JayParadise: why? [05:22] <Jemt> bob2: Should I start 'esd' again if I want sound in Gnome again? I must have messed things up. I got no sound in Gnome now. A reboot might fix it though [05:22] <knowledge_> bob2, pasted [05:22] <HrdwrBoB> Jemt: that's right [05:22] <DonL> I haven't thought about it for a long time because it's never given me grief [05:22] <bob2> Jemt: yes [05:22] <HrdwrBoB> start esd again you get sound [05:22] <bob2> Jemt: no, no need to reboot [05:22] <Jemt> k, thanks [05:22] <Jemt> Oh ? [05:23] <bob2> knowledge_: and what else used to be in your sources.list? [05:23] <we> hey guys i need help untaring a file [05:23] <hybrid_goth> hey bob2 [05:23] <we> tar: You must specify one of the `-Acdtrux' options [05:23] <we> that my output [05:23] <Jemt> BRB [05:23] <bob2> we: you ran tar incorrectly [05:23] <PrimoTurbo> Hey guys I have a problem, can someone please help me out? [05:23] <bob2> we: tar -xf foo.tar [05:24] <bob2> PrimoTurbo: you haven't asked a question yet... [05:24] <bob2> hybrid_goth: hi [05:24] <PrimoTurbo> I installed gperfection2 icon theme [05:24] <bob2> knowledge_: you've screwd up apt by pointing it at incompatible apt sources [05:24] <we> whats the diff between -xf and -xvf [05:24] <PrimoTurbo> but there is an icon that didn't work for some reason, I know it is supposed to [05:24] <knowledge_> hmmmm [05:24] <PrimoTurbo> http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/2647/screenshot3ex.jpg [05:24] <PrimoTurbo> take a look [05:24] <PrimoTurbo> I circled the icon that's not working [05:24] <bob2> we: man tar, verbosity [05:25] <PrimoTurbo> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=22989&file1=22989-1.png&file2=22989-2.png&file3=&name=gperfection2+Icon+Theme [05:25] <PrimoTurbo> that's the icon theme [05:25] <PrimoTurbo> how can I fix that? [05:25] <bob2> PrimoTurbo: try asking on the mailing list if no one here knows [05:25] <PrimoTurbo> which mailing list? [05:26] <bob2> http://lists.ubuntu.com/, ubuntu-users [05:26] <ilba7r> on booting my pc it enables both eth0 and wlan0 which freezes my network connection. how can i only change it to only load wlan0 on booting the pc [05:27] <dougsk> PrimoTurbo, I looked at the pic, it seems to do the same here for me. what's broken? [05:27] <bob2> ilba7r: edit /etc/network/interfaces, remove the "auto eth0" line [05:27] <tha_gamemaster> i'm gettin libgcc1 error when trying to install transcode... [05:27] <ilba7r> thanx bob2 [05:27] <bob2> tha_gamemaster: the packages are broken [05:27] <PrimoTurbo> the icon is not the one used by the theme [05:27] <PrimoTurbo> it's supposed to change it [05:28] <PrimoTurbo> can I manually change it some how? [05:28] <_Icebreaker_> does anybody know how to configure ubuntu to run with 2 monitor connected to a dualheaded nvidia video card [05:28] <knowledge_> bob2, possible because I installed the Kubuntu packages as well? [05:28] <Chris_Tucker> once you have apt-got vnc4server, whats the work to get it set up? [05:28] <bob2> knowledge_: getting rid of the non-ubuntu sources and running "sudo apt-get update" might help [05:28] <dougsk> PrimoTurbo, ah I see, hmm ,nah I dunno [05:28] <we> thanx [05:28] <PrimoTurbo> crap :( [05:28] <bob2> knowledge_: then "sudo aptitude install libqt3c102-mt=3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3" [05:28] <bob2> knowledge_: know, it'd be because of "backports" or the agnula stuff [05:29] <bob2> _Icebreaker_: google didn't know anything? [05:29] <ryan_> im trying to install the addon for firefox FlashGot, but the firefox website is saying something about the firefox version not being verified after an update [05:29] <dougsk> ilba7r, ah great question -- I experienced that too -- I pulled the offending wireless card, bob2 thanks for the solution. what's happening that causes that? [05:29] <ryan_> is there anyway around it? [05:30] <bob2> someone has to define what "freezes my network connection" means [05:30] <tha_gamemaster1> yea so sorry irc timed out, so transcode problem... [05:30] <bob2> tha_gamemaster: the packages are broken, they won't work [05:30] <ryan_> bob2, im trying to install the addon for firefox FlashGot, but the firefox website is saying something about the firefox version not being verified after an update [05:30] <bob2> dude [05:30] <bob2> you already asked the channel [05:31] <bob2> asking me just annoys me, I already saw it [05:31] <tha_gamemaster1> bob2, oh ok thanks, i'll just install transcode by hand then, it's been broken since warty i think [05:31] <Chris_Tucker> once you have apt-got vnc4server, whats the work to get it set up? [05:31] <ryan_> people dont speek to you though unless you speek to someone specific bob2 [05:31] <bob2> ryan_: no, that's not how it works, sorry [05:31] <bob2> you ask a question to the channel [05:31] <dougsk> bob2, ah well it didn't actually freeze my connection -- rather it would just die, so I would just ifconfig eth0 blah blah route add blah blah and it worked again [05:31] <bob2> perhaps fro mthere you have a conversation with someone in particular [05:32] <PrimoTurbo> where are the default icons located? [05:32] <bob2> dougsk: I guess they setup conflicting routes [05:32] <nomasteryoda> thought someone might like to see this posting... http://lists.olin.edu/pipermail/ocp/2005-January/000196.html - was looking for help getting mythtv going [05:32] <PrimoTurbo> does anyone know? [05:32] <bob2> dougsk: I'd need to see the /etc/network/interfaces to give a definitive answer [05:32] <sahara534> que programa puedo usar para tostar cds que no sea k3b [05:32] <cafuego> !es [05:32] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. [05:33] <nomasteryoda> cafuego, wow [05:33] <dougsk> bob2, no worries I'll wait for networkmanager and see if it shows up again [05:33] <nomasteryoda> ubotu is sweet bot [05:33] <ubotu> nomasteryoda: I don't know [05:33] <nomasteryoda> hehe [05:34] <bob2> hah, NM seems kinda rooted, tho [05:34] <cafuego> !stupid bot [05:34] <ubotu> stupid cafuego [05:34] <nomasteryoda> hehe [05:34] <sahara534> ok [05:34] <knowledge_> bob2, I've reverted back to the original file that came with ubuntu and I"m still getting errors trying to install any sort of qt3-dev or libqt3-dev [05:35] <file> 420 users woo [05:35] <bob2> knowledge_: I can't see your screen [05:35] <bob2> knowledge_: #flood [05:35] <file> has anyone ever gotten MSReader to run through crossover office [05:35] <DonL> time to go. see ya later [05:35] <desrt> 421, actually :) [05:35] <knowledge_> bob2, pasted [05:35] <tha_gamemaster1> i love compiling from source... at least until something breaks... [05:35] <desrt> oh. crap. [05:36] <bob2> knowledge_: and your /etc/apt/sources.list [05:36] <Jemt> back [05:37] <puff> Firefox seems really slow, and this is a much faste rmachine than my old machine... but I've never used firefox-on-linux before, is this firefox or ubuntu? [05:37] <knowledge_> bob2, sent [05:37] <aru> maybe your stopwatch is slow? [05:37] <puff> Actually, I guess firefox isn'treally where the slowness is, more in switching between firefox and terminal. [05:37] <bob2> knowledge_: and "apt-cache policy libqt3-dev"? [05:37] <tha_gamemaster1> puff the more "pretty" the desktop is, the less performace you get out of your X environment [05:37] <Jemt> puff: Firefox /is/ slow on Ubuntu. Think it is quite slow on Windows too though. Startup time and computer specification ? [05:37] <bob2> not that you should be installing that at all [05:37] <HrdwrBoB> puff: run free -m and past it to pastebin for me [05:37] <dj28> puff: noticed the same thing on my laptop. firefox on ubuntu was noticably slower than it was on fedora and XP [05:37] <puff> Seems to sort of hesitate... [05:37] <tha_gamemaster1> puff try a less demanding window manager [05:38] <HrdwrBoB> puff: if you're out of ram it'll be slow [05:38] <bob2> does firefox on fedora use Pango? [05:38] <thr1ce> man, firefox runs quick here [05:38] <knowledge_> bob2, sent [05:38] <dj28> not sure [05:38] <thr1ce> i must be lucky [05:38] <file> hmm found another program that can read .lit files, going to try to use it through crossover office [05:38] <bob2> knowledge_: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends libqt3-dev ; sudo aptitude install libqt3-mt-dev [05:38] <puff> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/832 [05:38] <dj28> i never figured out why it was slower.. but it certainly is [05:38] <tha_gamemaster1> "depends on libz" anyone know what libz is ? [05:39] <puff> I'm pretty sure I'm on metacity, the default. [05:39] <thr1ce> tha_gamemaster, google will [05:39] <cafuego> dj28: it's fater under Linux on my hardware. [05:39] <bob2> tha_gamemaster1: zlib [05:39] <tha_gamemaster1> bob2, thanks! [05:39] <bob2> tha_gamemaster1: aka gzip librarie [05:39] <knowledge_> bob2, didn't work... [05:39] <bob2> tha_gamemaster1: zlib0g if you're looking for the runtime library package [05:39] <bob2> knowledge_: ok [05:39] <dj28> cafuego: odd. i dual booted fedora and ubuntu for a while before installing XP over fedora, and firefox is noticably slower on ubuntu for some reason. i'm able to replicate this on other machines too [05:39] <Jemt> puff: Btw - Firefox always takes very long time to start after a reboot. But after one start, the following windows should start within a few seconds. Takes about 2-3 seconds on my computer (1.6 Ghz Pentium M, 512 MB DDR Ram) [05:39] <bob2> knowledge_: it might be easier for you to reinstall then [05:40] <puff> Hm,that reminds me, i have an extra 1GB dimm in it, unless i'm misreading /proc/.meminfo it's only seeing 1GB. [05:40] <bob2> or maybe somsone else can walk you through unbreaking apt [05:40] <puff> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/833 [05:40] <knowledge_> bob2, ubuntu [05:40] <knowledge_> ? [05:40] <bob2> puff: "uname -r" prints? [05:40] <majic> why is firestarter blocking only google.com but nothing else? I've been trying to figure it out for 2 hours. [05:40] <bob2> knowledge_: yes [05:40] <cafuego> puff: 896MB ? [05:40] <knowledge_> bob2, nahh...don't feel like losing all my settings....it's not that important [05:40] <dbernar1> hey. [05:40] <tha_gamemaster1> that amount of ram is because he's not using the SMP kernel [05:40] <tha_gamemaster1> he has too much ram for stock kernel [05:40] <bob2> knowledge_: you put it on hold? [05:40] <bob2> tha_gamemaster1: no, it's not to do with SMP-ness [05:41] <Chris_Tucker> how do i set up a vnc server to show me whats happening on the same display that my vid card is outputting? [05:41] <puff> uname -r -> 2.6.10-5-386 [05:41] <cafuego> puff: install a -k7 or -686 kernel; tjhey will have HIGHMEM enabled. [05:41] <bob2> puff: what cpu do you have? [05:41] <tha_gamemaster1> bob2, all i know is if i don't use the smp kernel it only sees 800+ MB ram, not the full 1024 [05:41] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster1: That's got nothing to do with SMP. [05:41] <bob2> tha_gamemaster1: linux-686 will see it, too, even without SMP [05:42] <tha_gamemaster1> i know, smp is dual processors ,but HIMEM is built into that kernel, i don't use 686, i use the k7 kernel [05:42] <puff> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/834 [05:42] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster1: The normal -k7 kernel *laso* has HIGHMEM enabled. [05:42] <puff> Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.13GHz [05:42] <bob2> puff: sudo aptitude install linux-686 [05:42] <majic> we got any firestarter guru's in here? My firewall settings are perfect with the exception that google for some reason is being blocked. [05:42] <bob2> puff: reboot, enjoy! [05:42] <tha_gamemaster1> cafuego, oh it didn't used to when i first installed warty, but thanks, i'm glad they fixed it now [05:44] <mebaran151> is chatzilla an XUL app? [05:44] <bob2> yes [05:44] <tha_gamemaster> bob2, i'm still getting the libz error.. "configure: error: transcode depends on libz, but cannot links against libz" [05:45] <dougsk> mebaran151, yes or javascript more or less -- pretty effing amazing tbh [05:45] <bob2> tha_gamemaster: because you don't have the correct headers [05:45] <bob2> zlib0g-dev [05:45] <mebaran151> dougsk: it does show [05:45] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster1: if you only have a single CPU, the smp kernel is SLOWER. [05:45] <mebaran151> in its lack of sophistication and simple design [05:45] <tha_gamemaster> bob2, ah thanks! oh its zlib1g-dev now... [05:45] <mebaran151> but it is also ghetto fabulous [05:45] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster: Also, trancode comes precompiled. [05:45] <mebaran151> bob2: X isnt broken in Hoary [05:45] <Computer__Guru> Hai, fsckers! [05:45] <mebaran151> my X started up ok [05:46] <bob2> mebaran151: indeed [05:46] <tha_gamemaster> cafuego, oh thanks, i'll fix that.... cafuego transcode is broken in ubuntu [05:46] <bob2> in breezy it is for a lot of people [05:46] <bob2> tha_gamemaster: no, transcode isn't in ubuntu [05:46] <mebaran151> bob2: I found that sometimes apt doesnt fix everything [05:46] <bob2> mebaran151: yes, apt will rarely fix anything [05:46] <mebaran151> once I had to reinstall Ubuntu to make evolution work [05:46] <bob2> mebaran151: I really really doubt that [05:46] <cafuego> bob2: Yes, and if you tell them it's broken they all insist fixing it is fun and want to "upgrade" immediately. [05:47] <bob2> haha [05:47] <bob2> indeed [05:47] <mebaran151> bob2: it takes me 20 minutes to do a clean install [05:47] <bob2> mebaran151: breaking evolution as a user is pretty much impossible [05:47] <dougsk> lmao --staying on hoary where I belong [05:47] <bob2> mebaran151: that's awesome, but still unncceseary [05:47] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster: There is a non-ubuntu repository with transcode in it. [05:47] <mebaran151> bob2: it just kept segfaulting [05:47] <bob2> mebaran151: and did you check if your disk was ok? did it affect other users? [05:47] <thr1ce> i hate evolution [05:47] <Computer__Guru> apt usually fixes stuff for me [05:47] <mebaran151> well I'm the only user on my own box [05:47] <Computer__Guru> *shrug* [05:47] <mebaran151> the disk was fine [05:47] <cafuego> bob2: I've had evolution be broken quite a bit. [05:48] <bob2> mebaran151: so, in future, make another user and see if affects them [05:48] <bob2> cafuego: oh, sure, it's buggy as hell [05:48] <mebaran151> it was new Western Digital 80 Gb [05:48] <cafuego> bob2: It currently crashes reliable when I tried to modify a specific imap account. [05:48] <tha_gamemaster> cafuego, i installed the "restricted" repositories, it's still broken. [05:48] <bob2> but it usually seems to be problems with settings in your home dir [05:48] <mebaran151> cafeugo, heh, my contat pane was broken [05:48] <mebaran151> bob2: I DID try deleting all its references in my home directory [05:48] <mebaran151> but I might not have hit them all [05:48] <bob2> mebaran151: hence creating a test user [05:48] <mebaran151> I doubt it was the home dir though [05:49] <cafuego> bob2: yes, they emuilated MS quite well; it manages to be incompatible with its own prefs ;-) [05:49] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151: what program? [05:49] <bob2> mebaran151: how could it possibly be anything else? [05:49] <mebaran151> Evolution [05:49] <bob2> mebaran151: your user doesn't have permission to modify files anywhere else [05:49] <mebaran151> bob2: it segfaulted [05:49] <Computer__Guru> rm -rf ~/.evolution ? [05:49] <mebaran151> usually that is a bad library somewhere deep [05:49] <bob2> mebaran151: yes, and it could segfault due to broken data in ~/ [05:49] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster: Do you have any slightly more elightening info than "it's broken" ? [05:49] <Mobius> g'devening guys / gals - I have my asus laptop with an intel 2200 - can't seem to find the wireless network .. and i've got the router right here - works with windows.. any suggestions? [05:49] <mebaran151> bob2: weird thing was that it was in bugzilla [05:49] <bob2> mebaran151: and how would reinstalling (which would get you bit for bit identical packages) fix a "bad library"? [05:49] <mebaran151> and they fixed it [05:50] <ubunoo> dose anyone know why wget seems to download rubish some sometime insteed of the file ( this link is like www.bla.com/bladir/bla.tar.gz [05:50] <bob2> ubunoo: define "rubbish" [05:50] <bob2> ubunoo: what does the "file" command say it is? [05:50] <ubunoo> file comand? [05:50] <thr1ce> are you on reiserfs ? [05:50] <tha_gamemaster> cafuego, it depends on libgcc1 and it's basically a version mis-match [05:50] <bob2> Mobius: best to explain how far along you are [05:50] <bob2> ubunoo: "file foo.tar.gz" [05:50] <ubunoo> im on ext3 [05:50] <ubunoo> ok [05:50] <tha_gamemaster> cafuego, you want the exact error from synaptic? i'll paste it. [05:50] <ubunoo> cool brb [05:50] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster: So nothing a bit of --force-foo wouldn't fix? [05:51] <Mobius> bob2 - been trying to find the network using iwconfig / iwlist - just set up the router last night and it works with my bros windows laptop [05:51] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster: Not to the channel you won't! [05:51] <ubunoo> ASCII text [05:51] <ubunoo> ! [05:51] <ubotu> ubunoo: I haven't a clue [05:51] <tha_gamemaster> cafuego, where's the flood channel ? [05:51] <thr1ce> #flood? [05:51] <bob2> Mobius: so the module is loaded ok? iwconfig sees the card as a wireless card? [05:51] <dougsk> ubunoo, I've noticed especially with media files where they get deeply redirected on internal servers that that can happen mostly text files as opposed to the vid or what not [05:51] <thr1ce> the name throws you off, I know [05:51] <mebaran151> and committed it to the repos [05:51] <mebaran151> but even though apt installed it [05:51] <mebaran151> the bug never did come out [05:51] <ubunoo> bob2: man so its downloaded a text file? [05:51] <Mobius> bob2 - yep [05:52] <bob2> ubunoo: what was the exact url you tried to get? [05:52] <bob2> Mobius: and "sudo iwlist scanning" doesn't show anything? [05:52] <bob2> mebaran151: did you follow up to the bug report? [05:52] <Mobius> no scan results bob2 [05:52] <deprave> hi bob [05:53] <mebaran151> bob2: yeah [05:53] <Jemt> Is it normal that the 'PowerNowD' changes my CPU frequency quite often? Almost everytime I load a program it boosts my CPU speed. Makes sense but I thought that I would boost the CPU speed if it had problems performing well [05:53] <mebaran151> they said they fixed it [05:53] <ubunoo> bob2: http://www.thunderstone.com/site/webinator/freeprod51/i686-unknown-linux2.4.9-64-32/webinator-5.1.tar.gz [05:53] <cafuego> Jemt: yeah, it'll change all the time. [05:53] <bob2> Jemt: no, it dynamically changes it based on load [05:53] <deprave> hi bob [05:53] <mebaran151> Jemt: that is the whole point .... [05:53] <bob2> ubunoo: er, look at the file you downloaded [05:53] <bob2> deprave: hi [05:53] <mebaran151> bob is very popular tonigh [05:53] <deprave> bobbyd: =D [05:53] <mebaran151> :p [05:54] <deprave> oops [05:54] <Mobius> hey deprave =) [05:54] <deprave> damn nick completor [05:54] <Computer__Guru> what all processors support that powernow stuff? [05:54] <ilba7r> thanx bob2 it seemed that the interfaces at /etc/network interfaces had both eth0 and wlan0 uploaded which was a problem as i have for both the same static ip address [05:54] <ubunoo> bob2: y? [05:54] <deprave> Mobius: =D [05:54] <bob2> Jemt: "man powernowd" explains what the available modes are [05:54] <ilba7r> thanx again removing one of them just did the trick [05:54] <bob2> ubunoo: did you or not? [05:54] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru: most [05:54] <bob2> ilba7r: np [05:54] <mebaran151> the AMD ones do [05:54] <tha_gamemaster> BRB guys, switching kernels [05:54] <Mobius> whats shakin' deprave? [05:54] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151: how would i check if my p4 does? [05:54] <mebaran151> I think even the Petium 4 does throttling [05:54] <bob2> Computer__Guru: all modern ones support something similar; powernowd's name is outdated [05:54] <Computer__Guru> ah [05:55] <Jemt> Thanks, bob2 [05:55] <deprave> Mobius: i'm extremely drunk. you? [05:55] <Computer__Guru> that's kinda cool [05:55] <Megahertz> Is it mandatory to have my phone number to order the cd's? [05:55] <Mobius> deprave: fighting with wireless / lol [05:55] <deprave> Mobius: fun [05:57] <bob2> Megahertz: I think it's just so the delivery company can contact you if there's a problem [05:57] <Mobius> lies. [05:57] <deprave> haha [05:57] <ubunoo> bob2: you mean try to open it in vim? [05:57] <deprave> yeah. [05:57] <bob2> ubunoo: dude, however you look at text files [05:57] <kappadragon> what is a good channel to ask a lot of basic linux questions - mostly drivers for hardware in my comp [05:57] <deprave> bob is there an avi plugin for ubuntu? [05:57] <bob2> ubunoo: run cat on it for all I care [05:57] <Computer__Guru> hahaha [05:57] <Computer__Guru> This processor "Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz" is known _not_ to support power-saving. [05:57] <Computer__Guru> * Starting powernowd... [05:57] <Computer__Guru> * CPU frequency scaling not supported [ ok ] [05:57] <elmagozizou> Hi...Is there a Download manager that alow dowloads recovery? [05:57] <bob2> how would an OS have a plugin for a video container format? [05:57] <Megahertz> bob2: So if my country code is like 011 and my province is like 905, Do i type in 011-905-123-5555 ? [05:57] <deprave> bob2: i like pepsi. [05:57] <bob2> if you mean "can any programs on Ubuntu play .avi movies?", then wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats [05:57] <ubunoo> bob2: ahhhhhhhhh [05:57] <Xenguy> elmagozizou: wget [05:57] <paulproteus> wget -c ! [05:57] <ubunoo> bob2: oh mannnnn im a idoit [05:57] <Computer__Guru> I think I'm going to watch a movie [05:57] <elmagozizou> Xenguy, thnks...is it in grafic mode? [05:57] <ubunoo> bob2: for some reason vim wouldn't open it say something about read only [05:58] <bob2> ubunoo: vim should still have opened it [05:58] <Xenguy> elmagozizou: dunno - I use it command-line [05:59] <ubunoo> bob2: "webinator-5.1.tar.gz" 1L, 20C [05:59] <ubunoo> Error detected while processing function <SNR>6_read: [05:59] <ubunoo> line 32: [05:59] <ubunoo> E484: Can't open file /tmp/v811086/1 [05:59] <ubunoo> Hit ENTER or type command to continue [05:59] <bob2> vim was trying to open it as a .tzr.gz [05:59] <bob2> and it's not even close to being a real .tzr.gz [05:59] <ubunoo> ohhhhhhh [05:59] <ubunoo> lol [06:00] <ubunoo> what do you do to wget to say open as text? [06:00] <bob2> vim -c"ft=text" foo.tar.gz, I'd guess [06:00] <bob2> I wouldn't bother tho, it's a one-line text file [06:00] <puff> Ah, much betteer, /proc/meminfo appears to see all of the memory now. [06:00] <puff> So... my laptop seems to get fairly hot, and I can't really tell if the fan kicks on or not. [06:01] <majic> is there an irc channel for firestarter? [06:02] <geneo93> has anyone used mondo for back up to tape drive [06:03] <puff> Given that hibernation seems flaky... [06:03] <cs378> puff: when im running linux, fan rarely goes on, but on winXp, goes on once in 20 min [06:03] <puff> cs378: Hm,well, maybe I'm just too paranoid. [06:03] <bob2> puff: hibernation? really? [06:03] <bob2> or do you mean suspend-to-ram? [06:03] <bob2> suspend-to-disk should work everywhere [06:04] <puff> bob2: well, it seems to just not come back up. [06:04] <bob2> puff: are you using any binary-only drivers? [06:04] <puff> I hit fn-f4 to suspend-to-ram, close it up, open it up th enext day... [06:04] <paulproteus> suspend to RAM is not hibernate. [06:04] <puff> bob2: AFAIK I'm using vanilla ubuntu hoary, installed it a couple days ago. [06:04] <bob2> that's not hibernate, that's suspend-to-ram [06:04] <paulproteus> Suspend to disk is hibernate. [06:04] <bob2> aka sleep [06:05] <paulproteus> Like what I should be doing right now. [06:05] <bob2> paulproteus: 'night [06:05] <puff> paulproteus: Yeah, I'm using suspend-to-ram because somebody here told me suspend-to-disk is flaky... which should i use? [06:05] <bob2> suspend-to-ram is highly machine-specific [06:05] <puff> paulproteus: G'night. [06:05] <bob2> puff: is your laptop on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryPMResults? [06:05] <tha_gamemaster> cafuego, ok how do I force install of transcode, i tried using --force-yes still gives me a dependency error. [06:05] <puff> Lemme check. [06:06] <bob2> force-all to get around the libgcc thing will break horribly [06:06] <bob2> just rebuild the source package on your system [06:06] <tha_gamemaster> bob2, that's what i was doing ^_^ at least i'm not alone in my thinking, i got transcode to compile right out of the box on os x [06:07] <puff> t43p, not there... t2 is. [06:07] <puff> Er, t42 [06:07] <puff> Guess it's a bit too bleeding-edge. [06:07] <bob2> puff: I'd be pretty surprised if suspend-to-disk didn't work [06:08] <bob2> have you tried it? [06:08] <ivan_qk> hi [06:08] <SymGeosis> I followed ubuntuguide.org to properly enable sound but now Totem can't play sound. It says that the sound card is in use. Any ideas on how to fix this? [06:08] <thr1ce> SymGeosis, killall esd, then try [06:08] <puff> bob2: Yeah, it does. [06:08] <puff> sometimes. [06:08] <SymGeosis> thr1ce, I tried that. =/ [06:09] <puff> Okay, so wht is the general rule of thumb, avoid suspend-to-ram and use suspend-to-disk? [06:09] <thr1ce> SymGeosis, are you using xmms or anything? [06:09] <SymGeosis> thr1ce, negative. [06:09] <ivan_qk> whitch cvs client is better? [06:09] <puff> are there any ways to speed up the boot up process? it seemed to send a long time at the network stage. [06:09] <bob2> puff: no, there is no general rule of thume [06:10] <bob2> puff: both should work, if they don't, it's a bug. I've not seen any laptops where suspend-to-disk didn't work, tho [06:10] <bob2> unless people used binary drivers [06:10] <puff> ivan_qk: Better for what? I generally like the cvs command-line client, but I'll be the first to admit that graphical clients can make it a lot easier to see what has changed and needs committing. [06:10] <bob2> puff: can you file a bug in bugzilla on the "linux" package? [06:10] <SymGeosis> puff, you could create a custom kernel. That'd be the simplest way. [06:10] <puff> bob2: Well, they work, but sometimes they don't seem to come back up. [06:10] <bob2> SymGeosis: how would that help? [06:10] <SymGeosis> puff, and possibly you could tweak your hard drives with hdparm. [06:10] <bob2> puff: right, which counts as "doesn't work" ;) [06:11] <cs378> what is better than Dev-C++? [06:11] <ivan_qk> how i can install cvs for use it from console? [06:11] <SymGeosis> bob2, smaller kernel == less boot time. [06:11] <puff> bob2: Sure, but I'd like to maybe narrow down the circumstances before i file a bug. [06:11] <bob2> ivan_qk: install the "cvs" package [06:11] <ivan_qk> java is better than Dev C++ [06:11] <ubunoo> ? [06:11] <ivan_qk> cvs, ok thanks [06:11] <SymGeosis> bob2, I cut my load time nearly in half. [06:11] <ivan_qk> im new on ubuntu [06:11] <bob2> SymGeosis: you really think the time saved reading a 1.5MB kernel compared to a 1MB would help? [06:11] <bob2> SymGeosis: was that a monolithic kernel? [06:11] <hybrid_goth> is limewire trutly adware free? [06:12] <SymGeosis> bob2, No. I originally had the default kernel and then I just went through and disabled everything that I didn't need. [06:12] <puff> Y'know, the funny thing is, if you made a boot loader that almost immediately flashed a pretty, animated graphic on the screen, most people would feel like it loaded faster. [06:12] <bob2> SymGeosis: e.g.? [06:12] <RetroMan> hi everyone, how can I safely upgrade my kernel..? [06:13] <kappadragon> is there a prog that will scan my hardware and install the proper drivers? [06:13] <bob2> puff: in the works for the next version [06:13] <puff> bob2: Hee... good. [06:13] <puff> I'm liking most of what I've seen of ubuntu, so far. [06:13] <SymGeosis> bob2, Just about everything. Too many to name. [06:13] <bob2> kappadragon: yes, it's called "hotplug", and you already have it [06:13] <bob2> SymGeosis: not compiling certain modules doesn't help with boot times at all [06:13] <kappadragon> sry im bran new still learning the progs - ty for help [06:13] <bob2> except if depmod runs [06:13] <puff> bob2: You should just say "Yes, there is, i just installed it for you". [06:13] <bob2> kappadragon: what isn't being detected? [06:13] <SymGeosis> bob2, then I guess I'm lying. =( [06:14] <SymGeosis> /sarcasm. [06:14] <kappadragon> my LAN card [06:14] <bob2> SymGeosis: I'm wondering how you cut it in half, since dropping modules won't save time at all [06:14] <bob2> kappadragon: is it PCI? [06:14] <kappadragon> using wireless [06:14] <RetroMan> do I upgrade my kernel simply by downloading a new linux-headers ? [06:14] <kappadragon> yes integrated PCI [06:14] <bob2> kappadragon: does linux support it at all? [06:14] <puff> Well, I'm just trying to figure out how I could speed up the boot process. [06:14] <thr1ce> RetroMan, no [06:14] <bob2> RetroMan: no [06:14] <thr1ce> RetroMan, don't do that at all actually [06:14] <kappadragon> how do i tell? [06:18] <RetroMan> ok [06:18] <SymGeosis> bob2, some of it was compiled as part of the kernel instead of modules. [06:18] <RetroMan> Im really scared... should I be? [06:18] <bob2> RetroMan: why do you want to upgrade your kernel? [06:18] <puff> bob2: I read about a linux-based handheld device that had instant-on, from what I read/heard much of the trick was that it knew exactly what hardware to expect. [06:18] <bob2> and to what? [06:18] <puff> bob2: Somewhere in there, it was implied that a lot of the boot time is probing the hardware. [06:18] <bob2> puff: right, that can take time [06:18] <RetroMan> Im trying to use lufs, but it doesnt seem to work under my kernel (2.6.10) [06:18] <bob2> but getting rid of modules you don't use won't cut that time down [06:18] <bob2> RetroMan: "doesnt seem to work" = ? [06:18] <thr1ce> sure, turn off hotplug...that'll turn get your time WAY down [06:18] <Madpilot> !doesn't work [06:18] <ubotu> I heard doesn't work is something you should never say. Be more specific. [06:18] <kappadragon> where can i find hotplug in the menus? [06:18] <RetroMan> dmesg gives me: lufs: Unknown symbol kill_proc_info [06:18] <puff> Is there any way I can figure out where the load time is being taken up, other than re-booting and timing different stages with a stopwatch? [06:18] <SymGeosis> I think I may just have to go back to old esd instead of esd-alsa. [06:18] <bob2> kappadragon: it ran at boot time [06:18] <bob2> RetroMan: how did you instal the lufs modules? [06:18] <bob2> kappadragon: does linux support your card at all? that's what you need to find out first. [06:18] <tommy|> so i have a quick question about sudo [06:18] <tommy|> if i had a shell script, could i tell it to automatically give the sudo password? [06:18] <kappadragon> bob2: how do i find out? [06:18] <RetroMan> bob2 I used module-assistant build lufs, and module-assistant install lufs using the apt package lufs-source [06:18] <bob2> tommy|: nope [06:18] <tommy|> >_< [06:18] <SymGeosis> bob2, I suppose some of that time may also have been influenced by hdparm though I did notice an incredible difference with my custom kernel. [06:18] <tommy|> thanks anyways [06:18] <puff> hm, alt-tab still feels jerky/laggy. [06:18] <bob2> tommy|: you'd make it so the script didn't require the password at all [06:18] <bob2> kappadragon: look on the box it came in, I suppose [06:18] <bob2> or find someone to interpret the output of lspci [06:18] <ubunoo> will this work in a comand line? [06:18] <bob2> RetroMan: odd [06:18] <kappadragon> it was part of my computer - integrated - so i suppose not [06:18] <puff> Is there anything else i should generally be doing to improve this machine, with respect to packages, configuration, etc? [06:18] <ubunoo> smb://192.168.0.1/linux [06:19] <kappadragon> but my wireless card is integrated too [06:19] <ubunoo> that? [06:19] <RetroMan> bob2, some googles suggest that lufs simply doesnt work on my particular version of the kernel [06:19] <redtech> im trying to install ubuntu on my wifes pc (athlon 2100) and I recieve the following error: Kernel Panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt | Anyone familiar with this? [06:19] <bob2> ubunoo: nope [06:19] <ubunoo> didn't think so [06:19] <bob2> ubunoo: sudo mount -t smbfs -o ro //192.168.1.101/stuff /mnt/kazoo [06:19] <bob2> that's how you mount them [06:19] <bob2> redtech: make sure the cd burnt properly [06:20] <redtech> ive used this very cd to install on the laptop that Im chatting with now... [06:20] <redtech> ill burn another copy though if you think that may be the issue [06:20] <ubunoo> bob2: would this work ubunoo: sudo mount -t smbfs -o ro //192.168.1.101/ /mnt/kazoo [06:21] <ubunoo> not specifying a folder that is [06:21] <bob2> redtech: no, burning again isn't useful, check if the one you have is ok or not [06:21] <bob2> ubunoo: er, surely your share has a name? [06:21] <ubunoo> bob2: yeah i was just wondering if that would show all the shares on that machine [06:21] <ubunoo> if i did that [06:21] <ricosuave17> how do i setup up framebuffer plz [06:22] <bob2> ubunoo: nope [06:22] <bob2> ricosuave17: you don't [06:22] <ricosuave17> i mean enable then [06:22] <bob2> ricosuave17: you still don't. [06:22] <The_Vox> ubotu: smbclient -L ip.of.remotecomputer will give you all the shares it has [06:22] <ubotu> The_Vox: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about [06:22] <bob2> ricosuave17: explain what you're trying to do [06:22] <ricosuave17> i wanna watch video on console [06:22] <ricosuave17> like real terminal mode [06:22] <bob2> ricosuave17: why? [06:22] <ubunoo> bob2: is there any why I can see what shares are avalible? with out usin natalis [06:22] <ricosuave17> and use links [06:22] <bob2> ubunoo: yes, The_Vox explained how [06:22] <bob2> ricosuave17: why don't you want to use X? [06:23] <ubunoo> oh [06:23] <bob2> kappadragon: paste the output of "lspci" to #flood [06:23] <ricosuave17> just cause. how can i do it plz [06:23] <drcode> hi all [06:23] <drcode> whats up [06:23] <ubunoo> The_Vox: chears [06:23] <ubunoo> thank you [06:23] <bob2> ricosuave17: just use X [06:23] <RetroMan> bob2, could I download a newer kernel via apt, use module-assistant to build lufs alongside of that, while never actually changing my actual kernel usage? [06:23] <drcode> any one know nice emulator for psx2 ? [06:23] <tommy|> i should make a useful shellscript as a practice >_> [06:23] <ricosuave17> i dont want to use x [06:23] <puff> bob2: hm, not sure where the linux package is in bugzilla.ubuntu.com [06:24] <drcode> that work in linux? [06:24] <bob2> ricosuave17: why? [06:24] <ricosuave17> because i like to experiment in real terminal. will you plz help me [06:24] <bob2> read the kernel framebuffer documentation [06:24] <RetroMan> ricosuave, you cant watch a video in a terminal [06:25] <The_Vox> RetroMan: actually, you can, tho it doesn't look too well :) [06:25] <bob2> ricosuave17: install linux-doc-2.6 [06:25] <RetroMan> oh .. :) [06:25] <bob2> RetroMan: no, you'd need to use the kernel the modules were build tofr [06:25] <The_Vox> RetroMan: you just use the aa video codec, as long as you have framebuffer working [06:26] <ricosuave17> i have a problem with gnome-terminal it wont let me use the letter n [06:27] <paulproteus> ricosuave17: What happens when you do use N? [06:27] <paulproteus> Does it ignore it? Make a new window open? [06:27] <ricosuave17> it doesnt detect the letter n [06:27] <paulproteus> Eject your CD-ROM drive? Kill your parents? Pop the cap of the 'n' off your keyboard? [06:27] <paulproteus> Oh, just ignoring it. Okay. [06:28] <Jemt> I haft to go. Thanks for all your help, guys [06:28] <ricosuave17> ok i installed the doc how do i use them now?> [06:29] <redtech> bob2, it was the memory.. thanks [06:30] <ricosuave17> bob2: how do i use the docs [06:33] <ricosuave17> bob2: will u help me plz [06:33] <puff> bob2: Ah, found the linux package, bug filed. [06:34] <thr1ce> ricosuave17, a doc? start by reading it... [06:34] <tha_gm> bob2, is all kinds of crazy-busy [06:34] <ricosuave17> well i mean were is the section about frame buffer [06:34] <ricosuave17> why wont u just tell me [06:35] <_icebreaker_> what package do i need to extract rar archives with ther archiv manager? [06:35] <thr1ce> ricosuave17, it's linux, not everything is handed to you [06:35] <thr1ce> and honestly, I don't know; either I look for it, or you do [06:35] <ricosuave17> well u could just tell me what to do [06:36] <bob2> ricosuave17: for god's sake, dude [06:36] <ricosuave17> what dude [06:36] <bob2> ricosuave17: /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-<tab> [06:36] <tha_gm> i'm learning tons of stuff! i think i'm figuring out compiling errors... [06:36] <bob2> you need to have some small amount of initiaive yourself [06:37] <nomasteryoda> bob2, well said [06:37] <tha_gm> here here bob2 ! [06:38] <ricosuave17> i need to recompile my kernel? [06:38] <tha_gm> bob2, is my hero, I just impressed myself... [06:39] <bob2> ricosuave17: of course not [06:39] <bob2> ricosuave17: did you read the frame buffer documentation yet? [06:39] <ricosuave17> were is it? [06:39] <bob2> dude [06:39] <bob2> come on [06:39] <tha_gm> ricosuave17: /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-<tab> [06:40] <ricosuave17> what do i use to read it with what program [06:40] <paulproteus> ricosuave17: It's text files. [06:40] <Christophe971> wow so much people here [06:40] <Christophe971> plop [06:40] <puff> Hm, is there a faster browser than firefox? This is excruciating. [06:40] <paulproteus> You can use gedit or vim or less or nano or emacs or kedit or .... [06:40] <paulproteus> puff: You should probably look into the IPv6 problem and solution if you think Firefox is slow. [06:40] <Christophe971> puff: try Opera [06:40] <puff> paulproteus: Hm? [06:40] <puff> I'm on a machine that's ridiculously more powerful than my old win2k laptop and it's slow. [06:41] <tha_gm> bob2, ok, i sucessfully compiled and installed transcode with no errors, so now how do i get past it in the dependencies of apt? [06:41] <puff> I refuse to believe that windows is faster than linux :-). [06:41] <tha_gm> bob2, btw i'm trying to install dvdrip [06:41] <paulproteus> You can use gedit or vim or less or nano or emacs or kedit or .... [06:41] <paulproteus> puff: You should probably look into the IPv6 problem and solution if you think Firefox is slow. [06:41] <tha_gm> puff, i refuse to b believe that as well [06:41] <paulproteus> Sorry, that's what I meant to re-say. [06:41] <bob2> tha_gm: er, you didn't use the ubuntu source package? [06:42] <paulproteus> puff: If your DNS servers suck, Firefox will be crazy slow. [06:42] <paulproteus> It will try to request IPv6 addresses, wait FOR FREAKING EVER for no answer, and then fall back to IPv4. [06:42] <tha_gm> bob2, there's a source-package ? i just did it the tarball way [06:42] <paulproteus> (Do you know what IPv6 is, puff?) [06:42] <bob2> no, not like that [06:42] <bob2> nevermind [06:43] <bob2> just install equivs and make a fake transcode package [06:43] <puff> No candidate version found for opera [06:43] <bob2> oper's of course not in ubuntu [06:43] <paulproteus> Do you know what IPv6 is, puff? [06:43] <jernau> q: where are the conf files responsible for default terminal profiles and such? [06:43] <tha_gm> bob2, how do i make a fake transcode package? compile it as a .deb ? [06:43] <bob2> puff: have you trid disabling ipv6 yet? [06:43] <bob2> tha_gm: no, 14:43:09 @ bob2 | just install equivs and make a fake transcode package [06:44] <bob2> apt-cache show equivs [06:44] <puff> paulproteus: it's more that it's slow in interacting with web forms, not in loading/rendering pages. [06:44] <puff> I know what IPv6 is, yeah, not sure where i'd disable it, /etc/network? [06:44] <paulproteus> puff: "interacting with" them? What do you mean? [06:44] <paulproteus> puff: There's instructions on wiki.ubuntu.com; use its search capacity. [06:45] <puff> paulproteus: clicking on the submit button. Using tab to move the focus from one button to the next. [06:45] <paulproteus> puff: Oh, I see. [06:45] <ricosuave17> ok im so lost even trying to read the file. whats the name of the framebuffer file its no were to be found [06:45] <paulproteus> Yeah, that's a GTK suckage problem, mostly. [06:45] <paulproteus> Try Konqueror instead. [06:45] <Christophe971> god damned [06:46] <paulproteus> You could try one of the GTK themes that renders its widgets using Qt. Those are often faster than usual GTK rendering. [06:46] <paulproteus> That's because GTK sucks. [06:46] <drcode> if I Have tar.gz [06:46] <drcode> I can compile it in ubuntu [06:46] <tha_gm> bob2, i hate to repeat myself and make you repeat yourself but i don't undstand "fake transcode package" [06:47] <tha_gm> bob2, i'm already installing all the dependencies [06:47] <bob2> tha_gm: apt-cache show equivs [06:47] <bob2> tha_gm: make an empty package which does nothing but provide transgaming [06:47] <dr_willis> Hmm. anyone recall where ya can find the source code to 'ls' at? [06:47] <bob2> you isntall transcode to some random directory, somewhere, and apt has no idea about it [06:47] <bob2> dr_willis: coreutils [06:48] <ricosuave17> whats the name of the framebuffer doc [06:48] <grey-area> q; where are the conf files responsible for terminal profiles and such? [06:48] <tha_gm> bob2, how do i make an empty package... for transcode not transgaming [06:48] <paulproteus> Okay, sleepytime everyone. [06:48] <tha_gm> nite paulproteus [06:49] <Christophe971> it's only 00:49 [06:49] <Christophe971> the night begins [06:49] <Christophe971> (or "batnights begins" if you prefer) [06:50] <ricosuave17> why in god names are the doc compressed [06:50] <bob2> tha_gm: apt-cache show equivs [06:50] <puff> hm, typo in the entry for disabling ipv6 in firefox. [06:50] <tha_gm> bob2, ok [06:50] <bob2> ricosuave17: to save space, duh [06:50] <Christophe971> :) [06:50] <concept10> K3B is probably the only KDE application that I use on my GNOME desktop. Is there anyway to change the font of this QT application to match gnome? [06:50] <puff> In any event, it's disabled now, still slow. [06:50] <ricosuave17> grrr. but it wont let me extract to that dir [06:50] <bob2> ricosuave17: use a less terrible editor and they willd display fine [06:50] <bob2> ricosuave17: then don't extract them [06:50] <bob2> ricosuave17: zless foo.gz [06:51] <puff> Slow as in: move pointer over "submit" button, click, a half-second later the submit button depresses. [06:51] <tha_gm> bob2, i get it! thanks! [06:51] <puff> Maybe it's just metacity... what's a recommended fast/light WM? [06:52] <bob2> how would metacity affect that? [06:52] <Razul> how do you install party poker in ubuntu? [06:52] <Christophe971> bob2=superman: he can answer 3 person at the same time :) [06:52] <bob2> Razul: and party poker = some random windows poker game? [06:52] <Razul> yes [06:52] <vinux> wow it's great to be back on ubuntu! I tried out Freebsd and boy it made me miss ubuntu even more. I don't know why people insist on wasting thier time configuring stuff they don't need too [06:52] <bob2> you probably can't [06:52] <bob2> it might work under wine [06:52] <Razul> damn [06:53] <Razul> under wine [06:53] <Razul> any idea how to install? [06:53] <bob2> sure, install the wine package [06:53] <Razul> well i have wine-ui installed i think that is it [06:53] <bob2> no, it's not [06:53] <Razul> do i need to install just wine? [06:58] <puff> bob2: Somebody here said perceived slowness might be due to the window manager. [06:58] <Razul> when wine installs do i just download the partypoker.exe? If so how do i run it? [06:59] <eli_> anyone know the link to winmac sh file? [06:59] <eli_> lost the link =S [06:59] <bob2> Razul: wine whatever.exe [07:00] <Razul> k [07:02] <puff> What the hell: sudo apt-cache search opera | wc -> 864 [07:03] <ryan_> how do i force kill an app? [07:04] <bob2> no need to use sudo on apt-cache [07:04] <bob2> and it seems reasonable for packages to use the string "opera" in their descriptions [07:04] <eli_> ryan, did you open it in a terminal? [07:04] <eli_> the application [07:04] <ryan_> no eli [07:04] <puff> bob2: Yah, but "apt-get install opera" can't find a candidate. [07:04] <ryan_> its an app [07:04] <ryan_> an installer thats frozen [07:04] <bob2> puff: of course, opera the browser isn't in ubuntu [07:05] <bob2> puff: no one but the opera company are allowed to distrubiute it; if you'd like that to change you can ask them to change the license [07:05] <bob2> or go download the ad-nfested .deb from opera.com yourself [07:05] <puff> Ah, I see. [07:05] <puff> Sorry, I wasn't aware opera is commercial. [07:05] <drcode> hi all [07:05] <drcode> when I try to ./configure [07:05] <drcode> I get configure: No such file or directory [07:05] <eli_> ryan_, my best guess would be to go to system tools and open system monitor -> you can shut it down that way [07:05] <eli_> any suggestions anyone? [07:06] <drcode> what I Need to install so I can compile [07:06] <bob2> drcode: er [07:06] <bob2> drcode: that means that file doesn't exist [07:09] <bob2> presumably you're in the wrong directory [07:09] <ryan_> thanks eli_ [07:09] <drcode> bob:I need to install somthing ? [07:09] <kalias> Hi! I have a networking question. [07:09] <bob2> drcode: no, you need to run that command in the actual source tree [07:09] <bob2> you're in the wrong place [07:09] <eli_> ryan_, happy to help =) [07:09] <kalias> How do I get the name of my ubuntu machine to appear next to the ip address in my router? [07:09] <ewew> has anyone ever installed hydrogen? [07:09] <drcode> k [07:09] <drcode> thanx [07:09] <kalias> Any network gurus out there? [07:09] <bob2> that's not a network guru question [07:09] <kalias> :) [07:09] <_icebreaker_> i'm looking for howto's for winex compiling and configuring [07:09] <bob2> _icebreaker_: #cedega [07:09] <ryan_> eli whats the terminal command to kill a an app that frozen [07:10] <kalias> How do I get the name of my ubuntu machine to appear next to the ip address in my router? [07:10] <bob2> repeating is annoying
c [07:10] <bob2> I'm already finding the option for you [07:10] <kalias> oh, sorry. [07:10] <eli_> at the same time [07:10] <_icebreaker_> bob2, thx [07:10] <bob2> kalias: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf [07:10] <bob2> kalias: the "send hostname" option is what yo uwant, I assume [07:10] <dr_willis> Hmm. Is there any console framebuffer support in the standard ubuntu kernel? or was it considered too flakey? [07:10] <ricosuave17> i want framebuffer [07:11] <kalias> yes, I think so. I will give it a try. [07:11] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, whats up? I now have 5.04 on this box [07:11] <bob2> ricosuave17: then read the documentation, instead of annoying people here [07:11] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: hey [07:11] <ricosuave17> i did [07:11] <ricosuave17> but i dont understand [07:11] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: nice job :) [07:11] <turkuaz> has X been fized yet? [07:11] <bob2> no [07:11] <turkuaz> **fixed [07:12] <Amaranth> I've converted a Gentoo user to Ubuntu, bow before me! ;) [07:12] <bob2> ricosuave17: perhaps you should just use X for now then [07:12] <turkuaz> any idea when? [07:12] <ricosuave17> why [07:12] <Amaranth> turkuaz: next month [07:12] <Amaranth> ;) [07:12] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, yeah well actually I am a Debian user who was playing around with Gentoo ;) [07:12] <turkuaz> u serious, its important for the Translation team.. [07:12] <Amaranth> (that's tomorrow and might actually be today in some timezones) [07:12] <eli_> anyone know the link to winmac sh file? its an sh file that automatically recognizes other partitions and mounts them [07:12] <bob2> ricosuave17: because it seems that setuping up the framebuffer is too hard for you [07:12] <bob2> ricosuave17: and you have no compelling reason to do so [07:13] <Amaranth> turkuaz: i'd expect it to generally be broken until after feature freeze [07:13] <eli_> Severas wrote it, but i lost the link =S [07:13] <ricosuave17> well the other day i killed X [07:13] <ricosuave17> and i almost couldnt get it up again [07:13] <turkuaz> Amaranth, thx [07:13] <dr_willis> Hmm.. ricosuave17 that sould of been a trivial thing. [07:13] <ricosuave17> what do you mean [07:13] <Razul> ok i ran it "wine PartyPokerSetup.exe" looks like it is going to install but then hangs says 137 error [07:14] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, I know this isn't the right channel but are the seperators suppossed to show on a stock Ubuntu 5.04? [07:14] <Amaranth> turkuaz: it's fixable if you do some hackery but then no one will be available to test it when it supposedly gets fixed [07:14] <concept10> !ntfs [07:14] <ubotu> rumour has it, ntfs is the filesystem used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab [07:14] <ivan_qk> sup [07:14] <concept10> eli_, there you go [07:14] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: GNOME 2.10 doesn't support separators or reordering [07:14] <ivan_qk> hey how i can download amsn from cvs? [07:14] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, alright gotcha [07:14] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: You only get those on GNOME 2.11.x and KDE. :) [07:14] <ivan_qk> i already installed cvs [07:15] <bob2> ricosuave17: I mean, just use X, there's no reason to spend hours setting up console framebuffers [07:15] <ricosuave17> well i mean i get bored of doing the same thing. besides X looks horrible [07:15] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: I had so many bug reports because of that... [07:15] <bob2> ricosuave17: how on earth could X look horrible? [07:15] <dr_willis> Hmm... [07:15] <bob2> ricosuave17: X doesn't look like anything [07:15] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: before i disabled it on 2.10, i mean [07:16] <bob2> it just displays things for other programs [07:16] <eli_> thanks people for the link to winmac :) [07:16] <vinux> I love X [07:16] <dr_willis> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO.html [07:16] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, hehe [07:16] <ricosuave17> i mean Win XP and MAc os X all look like heaven and X is like hell [07:16] <bob2> ricosuave17: so, you don't mean "X", you mean "gnome", right [07:16] <eli_> particulary concept10, thanks [07:16] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: http://www.realistanew.com/desktop2.png looks better than anything Windows has shown me :) [07:16] <bob2> ricosuave17: please be more careful about your jargon when insulting things [07:16] <dr_willis> ricosuave17, you dont really know enough about it to be making such statements. :P [07:16] <ricosuave17> yes i am sorry but im sure Y will look nice [07:17] <Amaranth> Y will never release [07:17] <bob2> ricosuave17: no, youre still confused [07:17] <Amaranth> Y isn't even needed [07:17] <ricosuave17> nop windows still looks nicer then that pic [07:17] <kalias> next question, How do I restart dhcp? [07:17] <bob2> ricosuave17: X is a graphic driver, more or less [07:17] <bob2> ricosuave17: you can't "see" X at all [07:17] <ricosuave17> alright im sorry [07:17] <Amaranth> X dictates mechanism, not policy [07:17] <Amaranth> it doesn't "look" like anything [07:17] <bob2> ricosuave17: if you mean "I don't like the look of GNOME's default theme", then say so [07:17] <bob2> instead of just making confused rants [07:17] <tvon> Anyone running breezy and missing items under /dev/ that are usually there? [07:17] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: You think Windows looks better than that? You'd probably like KDE than. [07:17] <Amaranth> err, then [07:18] <ricosuave17> well i mean i ahve tried ICE and Gnome and KDe and Window Maker XFCE and a bunch more and none are nice [07:18] <dr_willis> ricosuave17, how nice and vague [07:18] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, well i have a project tomorrow. setting up a radius server for my wi-fi but I haven't quite figured out wireless in Ubuntu yet. Everything is configured and I connect with AES/CCMP but i have to use dhclient manually because when I tell wlan0 in the config file to use dhcp it doesn't wotk. I'll look into it later, I am sure it's something simple [07:18] <Gatton> ricosuave17, then just theme your Ubuntu to look like Windows or OS X [07:18] <bob2> ricosuave17: then write your own [07:18] <vinux> I Changed my gnome around deleting the original two panels and making my own. Looks nice and customized [07:18] <zenrox> ricosuave17, then you havent found the right theme for you [07:18] <Amaranth> !wifi [07:18] <ubotu> it has been said that wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto [07:18] <bob2> ricosuave17: or produce your own theme that you like [07:18] <kalias> nickrud: Hi! How are you? [07:19] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: ubotu knows much :) [07:19] <ricosuave17> i did try the XP theme on gnome [07:19] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: ick [07:19] <ricosuave17> its decent but still not that nice [07:19] <eli_> smart guy he is, ubotu [07:19] <eli_> how are you ubotu? [07:19] <ricosuave17> the mac os x was very bad [07:19] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: default XP theme looks like a toy [07:19] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: and brushed metal looks like junk too [07:19] <Amaranth> :P [07:19] <ricosuave17> no i downloaded another XP [07:19] <eli_> ubotu [07:19] <eli_> yes very smart [07:20] <dr_willis> best theme - is minimal themes :P [07:20] <dr_willis> lol [07:20] <concept10> Anyone know how to modify QT/KDE settings while using GNOME? [07:20] <ricosuave17> the truth i have seen nice linux pics but i dont how to make mine nice [07:20] <Gatton> Amaranth, hehe agreed. I love my emac but I had to download that demetallifizer utility to strip the brushed metal look off. Way overused [07:20] <eli_> is there a brushed metal theme for gnome? [07:20] <eli_> just curious [07:20] <zenrox> eli_, yes [07:20] <geneo93> best theme is green on black [07:20] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, also i am looking at upgrading my pentium m 1.7 to a 2.1 in the next few months [07:20] <Amaranth> yeah, but they're worse than the real thing [07:20] <vinux> dr_willis, yes I'm with ya on that [07:20] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: I hate you. :) [07:21] <eli_> zenrox, where could i find it =) [07:21] <ricosuave17> are you people again Y [07:21] <zenrox> gnome-look.org?? [07:21] <eli_> SquareGuy, you should put a pentium m chip in there [07:21] <ricosuave17> bad website bad [07:21] <eli_> then tweak it [07:21] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: I'm against cracktastic things that aren't needed and will never release, yes. [07:21] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, nah you don't I am gonna find some hardware for ya [07:21] <eli_> and is faster than the best pentium 4 chip [07:23] <Gatton> Heck this is the first time I've heard of Y. I'm pretty happy with xorg so far [07:23] <vinux> dr_willis, I got no icons on my desktop just in the panel that is that's on auto hide hehe. Nice big background picture :) [07:23] <ricosuave17> whats wrong with Y [07:23] <SquareGuy> eli_, it is a pentium m [07:23] <ubunoo> bob2: um are you shure you gave me that smb comand line right? [07:23] <Gatton> vinux, you got a lady on your wallpaper or something you don't want obscured? ;) [07:23] <eli_> oh, well... (outspoken eli is) never mind [07:23] <Razul> alright i give up on poker lol... [07:23] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: What I just said. :P [07:23] <ubunoo> it says:mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on [07:23] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: Do you like http://gnome-look.org/content/pre2/19075-2.jpg ? [07:23] <bob2> ubunoo: perhaps you didn't install smbfs yet [07:23] <bob2> ubunoo: or dont' have kernel support for it [07:23] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, need a turtle beach santa cruz sound card? [07:23] <ubunoo> lol [07:23] <ubunoo> sorry [07:23] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: ooh [07:23] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: i can use anything given to me, i've got integrated everything but video :) [07:23] <ricosuave17> Amaranth: it looks ok but not spectacular. what do u mean by cracktastic [07:23] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: and newer integrated video systems beat my card [07:23] <ubunoo> bob2: yeah i keep forgetting cause i was using shares in gnome [07:23] <ubunoo> but i need smb tools ay [07:23] <ubunoo> thanks for all your help ay [07:23] <ubunoo> :) [07:24] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, hehe yeah i know that card very well. It will run OpenGL screensavers though [07:24] <ryan_> once someone has installed eciadsl, how do they configure it to detect the modem? [07:24] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: barely [07:24] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, I will find out some info on that 9000 pro soon [07:24] <vinux> Gatton, hehe nah just a picture of the mountians [07:24] <Amaranth> ryan_: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure eciadsl [07:24] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: cracktastic means worthless, more or less [07:25] <ryan_> Amaranth, thanks bud [07:25] <live2> Hello, I just installed ubuntu (hoary) on another computer, and the networking is not working. When I try to give the root password for the graphical networking tools, it will not accept it. [07:25] <Gatton> vinux, same here. Nice b&w lake/mountain shot [07:25] <eli_> where's a good place to get gtk themes? [07:25] <eli_> other than gnome-look.org [07:25] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: cracktastic(adj) - the complete opposite of fantastic [07:26] <eli_> and art.gnome.org [07:26] <Amaranth> eli_: those are the only two [07:26] <concept10> live2, try your user password [07:26] <eli_> .... [07:26] <eli_> ok [07:26] <ricosuave17> well im sure Y is a great idea [07:26] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: Something that defines look has to continually be updated. [07:26] <Gatton> ricosuave17, you seem awfully hung up on it :) [07:26] <live2> That doesnt seem to work either. [07:26] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: The X protocol hasn't changed in well over a decade. [07:26] <ricosuave17> thats why [07:26] <ricosuave17> casue X is old [07:26] <pax> umm what happened to nvu, is it gone from the repos? [07:27] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: But our desktops look a _lot_ different than 10 years ago. [07:27] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: Drop replace what works. [07:27] <Amaranth> err, Don't [07:27] <ricosuave17> but after lornhorn windows comes out linux will be dead [07:27] <reka> hehe [07:27] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: hahah [07:27] <Gatton> ricosuave17, I knew it! You are on the Microsoft payroll ;-) [07:27] <ricosuave17> lol [07:27] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: Windows Vista - the thud heard round the world [07:28] <Gatton> ricosuave17, no you can't be. Cuz you didn't say Vista ;) [07:28] <concept10> pax, its in breezy but you want to look for the recently 1.0 version [07:28] <Amaranth> Gatton: Actually, Microsoft does hire people to troll [07:28] <dr_willis> it will be the biggest thing since.... spam! [07:28] <Amaranth> hey davey [07:28] <pax> concept10: good to know, thanks. [07:28] <ricosuave17> but u see the problem is linux at least the WM's and arent animated and dont have pretty color [07:28] <geneo93> after xp i dont think so [07:28] <ricosuave17> and nice lights and stuff [07:28] <Gatton> Amaranth, I've heard that. Pretty shady. Unless they wanna give me a bag of cash. Then I'll say Linux is the sux0r ;-) [07:29] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: I see, you're an "ooh, shiny" kind of guy. [07:29] <Davey> Hey Amaranth :) [07:29] <DekaPink> http://www.fameg.com.br/page.php?cod_pagina=149 <- Famelix looks like something I could get my friends to use if it was English. xD [07:29] <Davey> Amaranth, Ubuntu hates me :( [07:29] <ricosuave17> yeap yeap [07:29] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: I like it better when things work. :) [07:29] <ricosuave17> well if it shines and works isnt that better [07:29] <dr_willis> I also perfer tools that actually work - vs shiny ones that dont. [07:29] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: I'd rather have it work first, then add the shine. [07:29] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: Which is what we're doing if you look at the developers. [07:29] <dr_willis> circular logic - gotta love it. [07:29] <ricosuave17> other way around is nice [07:30] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: Other way around is Windows ME. [07:30] <skalpel> how do i install quicktime? [07:30] <pax> only in #ubuntu can a troll get attention. attention for human beings! :D [07:30] <dr_willis> :) [07:30] <dr_willis> pax, yep [07:30] <Amaranth> Davey: What'd you break this time? [07:30] <necrogami> Dr_willis OMFG you said it all!!!! i like tools that work vs shinyones that dont [07:30] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, WinME is Satan's spawn [07:30] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: *ding* We have a winner! :) [07:31] <zenrox> lol [07:31] <Amaranth> I'd rather use Windows 3.1 than Windows ME. :) [07:31] <dr_willis> of course I am trying to figure out why i cant enable dma on my new laptops hard drive.. I think its a chipset issue. [07:31] <Amaranth> Although XP isn't that bad if you turn some things off and have a firewall. [07:31] <zenrox> win3.11 = best win os ever [07:31] <dr_willis> you can enable dma on sata drives cant you? [07:31] <Amaranth> dr_willis: It's already on. [07:31] <zenrox> yep [07:31] <pax> if the mobo allows you [07:31] <Amaranth> dr_willis: Just not at a level hdparm can understand. [07:31] <ricosuave17> i do agree on that statemne [07:31] <dr_willis> Amaranth, well hdparm dosent say its on. :P heh ok. [07:32] <zenrox> ricosuave17, the win3.11 [07:32] <zenrox> lol [07:32] <dr_willis> Amaranth, but i dont think the laptop is useing sata :P [07:32] <Amaranth> dr_willis: This is what crimsun says, anyway. [07:32] <reka> skalpel: there's no quicktime port for linux....install w32codecs for totem, or use a media player with it's own codecs if you want .mov support [07:32] <necrogami> Microsoft GEO .. Best windows os [07:32] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, imo W2K was their best work. [07:32] <dr_willis> the hd is showing up as hda. so that imples its normal ide right? [07:32] <Gatton> Any of you guys upload your screenshots anywhere besides gnome-look? I am a sucker for purty screen shots ;) [07:32] <Amaranth> dr_willis: Yep. [07:32] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: I agree. [07:32] <concept10> dr_willis, what is the error message? [07:32] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: But it's been EOLed so we have to move up to XP and turn things off. [07:32] <concept10> Gatton, lynucs.org [07:33] <courtknee> hey all [07:33] <Sammi> XP is about equal to 98 in my opinion, and that's only because it can run newer stuff (whereas 98 rocks but is a little obsolete when it comes to the newer stuff.) [07:33] <Amaranth> Gatton: http://www.realistanew.com/desktop.png http://www.realistanew.com/desktop2.png [07:33] <dr_willis> concept10, well im reistalling 64bit ubuntu on the laptop at the moment - will see it in a min. [07:33] <skalpel> how can you use quicktime form a webbrowser? [07:33] <Gatton> concept10, hey thanks. I ued to have that bookmarked and lost it [07:33] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: btw, what do you think of http://dev.realistanew.com/icon_example.png ? [07:33] <Gatton> Amaranth, doh! I thought i would be smart and try desktop1.png and no worky ;) thanks [07:33] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, I like it [07:33] <vinux> I don't like to run windows because it makes me think of Bill Gates and ofcourse all those awfull times I had with windows hehe [07:33] <Amaranth> :D [07:34] <dr_willis> Im checking the forums and aparently 64bit AMd processors/Turions - can be having some 'issues' that make the system sluggish. i was thinkign it was the dma issue.. but it seems deeper then that. [07:34] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/icon_example.png <--anyone else have an opinion on the icon? [07:34] <zenrox> looking now [07:34] <Amaranth> dr_willis: Sounds like that issue that a newer kernel fixed. [07:34] <zenrox> nice [07:34] <zenrox> very nice Amaranth [07:34] <concept10> Amaranth, do you know anything about GNOME themes? [07:34] <Gatton> Amaranth, I sene a trend with your backgrounds here. Who is that lady out of curiosity [07:35] <Amaranth> concept10: somewhat [07:35] <ricosuave17> its looks nice [07:35] <courtknee> I have a external HD (USB) that was been formatted for NTFS. When I plug it into my system should I be able to view it under 'computer' ? Is there an additional step I need to undergo? The drive shows up under usb config info screens. [07:35] <Amaranth> Gatton: cristina scabbia from lacuna coil [07:35] <hybrid_goth> Amaranth: turn off the computer? [07:35] <dr_willis> Amaranth, cook.. what version # ya refering to by the way? :P [07:35] <dr_willis> cool : P i mean [07:35] <Amaranth> courtknee: NTFS partitions are read-only [07:35] <Amaranth> hybrid_goth: Err, yes? [07:35] <Sammi> Amaranth: I like the icon. And the desktops are pretty. :D [07:35] <hybrid_goth> lucana coil pwns [07:35] <Amaranth> courtknee: But it should show up. [07:36] <concept10> Amaranth, I want to change the progress bar. This guy that made a Thunderbird theme has an excellent OS X style progress bar, I want to rip that out and place it into GNOME. Dont know where to start [07:36] <courtknee> Amaranth: thats cool; but how do i get that 'read' stage? :D [07:36] <Gatton> Amaranth, I like it. Reminds me of the Tinker Tool icon on the Mac [07:36] <hybrid_goth> Amaranth: you said turn some things off in xp to make it safe i said yea the computer [07:36] <puff> bob2: Hm, well, konqueror certainly seems a lot snappier. [07:36] <Amaranth> hybrid_goth: oh, haha [07:36] <reka> skalpel: installing the mplayer plugin would probably work [07:36] <puff> Well, enough for tongih.... gotta go get a few drinks in before the bars close. [07:36] <Amaranth> courtknee: i dunno, it should just work [07:36] <Amaranth> Gatton: thanks [07:36] <skalpel> ok, how do i install the mplayer plugin? [07:36] <reka> skalpel: or you could just run a video player when a .mov file is detected...which is what i do [07:37] <courtknee> i'll fiddle around with it some more; its not a desperate need really. This distro worked 95% out of the box. Its awesome [07:37] <Amaranth> concept10: that's low level gtk engine hacking [07:37] <reka> skalpel: what browser? [07:37] <skalpel> firfox [07:37] <concept10> Amaranth, damn! I wish I could just replace the graphic element. [07:37] <Amaranth> btw, please don't talk about w32codecs here. Just point people to the wiki page. [07:38] <reka> skalpel: install mozilla-mplayer [07:39] <poningru> hi I had a couple of questions [07:39] <reka> Amaranth: noted [07:39] <reka> skalpel: [07:39] <reka> !restricted [07:39] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [07:39] <poningru> is there a guide to minimizing the space used by gnome [07:39] <ricosuave17> does anyone here not use gnome [07:39] <Amaranth> poningru: space? [07:39] <poningru> as in the screen space [07:39] <vinux> why use anything else? [07:39] <Amaranth> ah [07:39] <zenrox> ricosuave17, i use xfce [07:39] <poningru> sorry should have been more clear [07:39] <Amaranth> poningru: get rid of one of the panels [07:39] <poningru> see I like this config [07:39] <ricosuave17> i think xfce is nice do u have a screenie [07:40] <poningru> but I wanna make my panels smaller [07:40] <vinux> xfce is nice [07:40] <Amaranth> ah [07:40] <poningru> as in the height [07:40] <skalpel> i dont see anything about quicktime on that webpage [07:40] <zenrox> ricosuave17, hold on ill get one [07:40] <vinux> ricosuave17, I like xfce too [07:40] <Amaranth> you want to edit the panel properties then [07:40] <ricosuave17> ok anyone that has a screenie can i plz see it [07:40] <Amaranth> poningru: right click on a blank spot on the panel and choose properties [07:40] <poningru> yeah doesnt allow me to go below 24 px [07:40] <Amaranth> ah [07:40] <Amaranth> ok, then you can't [07:40] <Gatton> poningru, you have better eyes than me then. my gnome panels are pretty darn thin as it is :) [07:40] <skalpel> reka, what's the command line for installing that? [07:40] <poningru> hehe [07:40] <skalpel> oops [07:40] <kevin06> Does anyone know what size hard drives Ubuntu supports "out of the box?" [07:41] <Gatton> looks like 23 is the minimum for me too [07:41] <poningru> Gatton: you know you can make it bigger [07:41] <Amaranth> poningru: My top panel can go to 23 [07:41] <Amaranth> poningru: But I think it'll only go as small as it's smallest element [07:41] <poningru> yeah that seems to be the case [07:41] <Sammi> ricosuave17: http://www.xfce.org/index.php?page=screenshots&lang=en [07:41] <poningru> kevin06: it will take all Hard drive sizes [07:42] <Gatton> poningru, well if nothing else you saved me 2 pixels of screen space and i'm now at 23 ;) [07:42] <joevandyk> Is there a subversion IRC channel somewhere? [07:42] <kevin06> poningru: Thank you. [07:42] <poningru> kevin06: it just needs enough to put the system files [07:42] <Sammi> It's easier than anything to Google "Xfce." [07:42] <poningru> but there is no upper limit [07:42] <Sammi> The websites always have screenshots. [07:43] <kevin06> Just wanted to make sure before I shell out $$$ for a big drive and have it end up useless. [07:43] <Gatton> ricosuave17, some customized xfce screens http://lynucs.org/index.php?p=search&search_string=xfce&search_categ=screen [07:44] <vinux> I use a 40gig. Well i'm using a 12gig partition for ubuntu now [07:44] <vinux> oh nvm lol I got just one partition now for ubuntu [07:45] <ryan_> is there any programs that will play DVD movies if you install them, without any fafing around? [07:45] <onur> hello i need help on changing my keyboard layout. Cause no matter what i do i cant change it [07:45] <Gatton> vinux, what OS got paved over? [07:45] <poningru> onur: whats up? [07:45] <zenrox> what you think ricosuave17 [07:45] <vinux> Gatton, FreeBSD! I will never even look at that distro again [07:45] <xkuseme> anybody know what rcS does [07:46] <poningru> ryan_: what do you mean fafin around? [07:46] <Gatton> vinux, I have tried a couple of times. Could never get anywhere. I thought it was just me ;) [07:46] <ryan_> with out any messing around to get it working poningru [07:46] <onur> poningru, currently i am using a turkish keyboard of my hp nx7010 laptop and i made a fresh install of ubuntu [07:46] <ryan_> onur, system prefs keybored [07:46] <onur> poningru, and i set the keyboard layout from the prefers keyboard [07:46] <poningru> onur: hmm let me see [07:46] <ricosuave17> they look nice [07:46] <onur> poningru, to turkish but it is still in english [07:47] <Sammi> Okay, so about how much faster is XFCE supposedly than GNOME? [07:47] <vinux> Gatton, well when they say it helps to read the handbook on it they are not kidding. You really need to read it all the way through like 3 times plus spend about 300hours trying to configure crap lol [07:47] <ryan_> poningru, do you know of any? [07:47] <zenrox> ricosuave17, thats a dual monitor set up [07:47] <onur> poningru, and theres no other layout . i removed the US [07:47] <ricosuave17> cool. how can i have a virtual desktop? [07:47] <zenrox> ricosuave17, it ant a virtual desktop [07:48] <zenrox> its 2 seprate monitors [07:48] <ricosuave17> i mean can i do it [07:48] <vinux> Gatton, what really bugs me about it is they have a PC-BSD version out now. Which is easy to use like ubuntu but still is in beta. But it doesn't work well with FreeBSD [07:48] <zenrox> if you have a vid card with 2 heads on it [07:48] <Razul> can you install fluxbox in ubuntu? [07:48] <ricosuave17> nop [07:48] <poningru> ryan_: here let me help onur first [07:48] <ricosuave17> i mean like the one were u have a desktop bigger then ur screen [07:48] <Razul> oh [07:48] <poningru> onur: under the pref keyboard [07:48] <ricosuave17> and u scroll on it [07:48] <pax> Razul: sure you can. [07:48] <ryan_> poningru, not a prob mate :) [07:48] <zenrox> ricosuave17, i dont know how to do that [07:48] <onur> poningru, yeah ? [07:48] <poningru> onur: go to layout [07:48] <poningru> and press add [07:48] <Gatton> vinux, I actually tried to install PC-BSD but it seemed to not like either my wireless keyboard or my KVM or both and I was too lazy to hooked up a wired keyboard and mouse to get it going ;) Maybe some other day [07:48] <ricosuave17> wiat were is ur pic [07:49] <Razul> oh ok kewl [07:49] <Gatton> ubuntu just works [07:49] <onur> poningru, done! [07:49] <Gatton> something to be said for that [07:49] <poningru> if you scroll down there should be a turkish option [07:49] <poningru> on the side [07:49] <onur> scroll down ? [07:49] <onur> by adding ? [07:49] <poningru> yeah [07:49] <Gatton> As I get older I find I am less content to edit config files. Granted I've had to do a little of that with Ubuntu but not nearly as much as with past distros with the possible exception of Suse [07:49] <onur> i have already added [07:49] <poningru> which one have you added? [07:49] <poningru> layout I mean [07:50] <onur> Turkish Turkish Alt-Q Layouy [07:50] <onur> layout [07:50] <poningru> hmm and it still types in english? [07:50] <onur> yes [07:50] <poningru> [07:50] <onur> and it is selected as default and i removed all english [07:51] <poningru> wait [07:51] <poningru> do you have the turkish locale installed? [07:51] <poningru> from synaptic [07:51] <onur> dunno ? [07:51] <poningru> go into synaptic and install the turkey locale [07:52] <onur> i am in synaptic [07:52] <poningru> let me make sure that is availble [07:52] <onur> how shall i find the turkey locale there [07:52] <vinux> Gatton, well they are still working on it. But i'm sure they will have it working great in about a year [07:53] <thoreauputic> language-support-tr metapackage for Turkish language support [07:53] <onur> Synaptic = > Synaptic Package Manager ? [07:53] <thoreauputic> openoffice.org-l10n-tr - Turkish language package for OpenOffice.org [07:53] <thoreauputic> language-pack-tr-base - translations for language Turkish [07:54] <poningru> yeah [07:54] <poningru> what he said [07:54] <onur> found it [07:54] <poningru> onur: that should enable you to input in turkish [07:54] <Dr_Melectaus> hey thoreauputic [07:54] <Dr_Melectaus> How are you :) [07:54] <onur> now installing [07:54] <poningru> when you right click on an input area [07:54] <Gatton> vinux, you're probably right. Afterall nobody though Debian would ever be so easy to install and use eh? ;) [07:54] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: OK - you ? [07:54] <poningru> also that allows your entire desktop to go turkish [07:55] <Dr_Melectaus> Im good thanks [07:55] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: dude you changed name [07:55] <Dr_Melectaus> lol sorry, just hate ryan_ [07:56] <poningru> hehe [07:56] <poningru> ok so you wanna watch dvds [07:56] <vinux> Gatton, well the new Suse I would have to say is awsome. 9.3 rocks but I don't like all that paying for it lol. You can get it free but it's not the same. [07:56] <Dr_Melectaus> Well its my real name. But its a bit cheesy with the _ [07:56] <Dr_Melectaus> yes poningru [07:56] <onur> poningru, installation done. now what [07:56] <onur> still in english [07:57] <Gatton> vinux, I was able to get Suse Pro 9.3 with my last job. Again I had installation/upgrade issues. It's one of the reasons I mainly use Ubuntu now [07:57] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales [07:57] <poningru> onur: you have to restart [07:57] <Gatton> At some point I will hunker down and try to get Suse 9.3 installed and working. But for now I'm really enjoying Ubuntu [07:57] <onur> poningru, ok thx [07:57] <poningru> onur: you have to [07:57] <poningru> choose at startup [07:57] <Amaranth> note: this is why you should choose your language right on startup :) [07:57] <vinux> Gatton, really? Installation and upgrade issues? [07:57] <poningru> turkish [07:57] <Gatton> vinux, But I loved 9.2 [07:57] <onur> Gatton, I was using Suse 9.3 [07:57] <Amaranth> onur: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales [07:57] <Amaranth> then log out and back in [07:58] <onur> Amaranth, instead of reboot ? [07:58] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: add the backports mirror and then just install libdvdcss2 using your synaptic [07:58] <Amaranth> onur: yeah [07:58] <Gatton> vinux, yea. I had to turn ACPI off to get installation going. Then when it asked for the 2nd cd keyboard and mouse were not working. Again I think it has to do with my KVM maybe [07:58] <onur> ok [07:58] <poningru> oh [07:58] <vinux> Gatton, well ofcourse Suse runs slower then ubuntu and I like speed :) [07:58] <poningru> yeah a logout will do [07:58] <poningru> hehe [07:58] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, sorry? [07:58] <onur> Gatton, and Suse 9.3 crashed my file system after a trial of XEN [07:58] <Amaranth> onur: in the thing that comes up turn off en_US and turn on what you want (make sure you use the UTF-8 version) [07:58] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: hold on let me see [07:58] <Gatton> vinux, true. And I had some hotplug issues that caused bad slow down and stuttering at times [07:59] <poningru> !backports [07:59] <ubotu> from memory, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [07:59] <onur> Amaranth, on my way [07:59] <vinux> Gatton, yes Suse doesn't have as good support as ubuntu [07:59] <Gatton> onur, ouch. I hate to hear that. And Xen is one of the main reasons I wanted to try 9.3 [07:59] <poningru> !codecs [07:59] <ubotu> from memory, codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [07:59] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, is the backports the unoficial repository list [07:59] <Gatton> vinux, I admit I was surprised by that. I really thought I was gonna have trouble with my external hard drive and usb key. Everything just worked [07:59] <Amaranth> Gatton: breezy is supposed to be getting some xen love [07:59] <vinux> Gatton, :) [07:59] <thoreauputic> poningru: IIRC libdvdcss2 is in hoary-extras [08:00] <vinux> Amaranth, xen? what's that? [08:00] <Gatton> Amaranth, That will be cool. I am looking forward to trying it [08:00] <Amaranth> !xen [08:00] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Amaranth [08:00] <Amaranth> err, damn [08:00] <iceman2k> 64 bit rocks [08:00] <vinux> lol [08:00] <vinux> iceman2k, really? Is it fast? [08:00] <Amaranth> vinux: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/ [08:00] <Dr_Melectaus> so poningru what do i do O_o [08:00] <iceman2k> vinux beats my old p4 2.8 all to hell .. [08:01] <Dr_Melectaus> i have a p2.8 [08:01] <Dr_Melectaus> p4 2.8** [08:01] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: ok go here [08:01] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories [08:01] <iceman2k> this is only a 2800 xp 64 system .. [08:01] <onur> Amaranth, theres a quite a list here [08:01] <Gatton> vinux, Here's some screenshots of Xen in action http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/screenshots/index.html [08:01] <vinux> iceman2k, wow i'm getting a 64bit then well maybe in about 6 months [08:01] <Amaranth> onur: aye, ubuntu supports a lot of languages [08:01] <onur> Amaranth, many items are preselected starting with_en [08:01] <poningru> and follow the instructions to add the backports repositories [08:02] <Amaranth> onur: note: i've never done this before :) [08:02] <ricosuave17> what is xen [08:02] <iceman2k> vinux paid 200 for the barebone .. .cpu, case ... and mobo ... [08:02] <poningru> !xen [08:02] <onur> Amaranth, no what i mean there is en_AU and en_BW and so on [08:02] <ubotu> poningru: Wish i knew [08:02] <iceman2k> soyo dragon gammer case [08:02] <Amaranth> onur: Do you want english at all? [08:02] <poningru> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/ [08:03] <poningru> iceman2k: did you get that? [08:03] <vinux> wow amazing [08:03] <MrGardenHoseMan> Why does K3b freeze the system when erasing a cd, can't click on anything, can't even move the k3b windows [08:03] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: you there? [08:03] <vinux> awsome [08:03] <MrGardenHoseMan> it erases the cd fine though [08:03] <onur> Amaranth, I want to use my Turkish keyboard thats all [08:03] <Dr_Melectaus> yes [08:03] <iceman2k> Runnung windows 64 right now .. ubuntu is the next install [08:03] <Amaranth> onur: oh! [08:03] <Amaranth> onur: Stop, don't listen to me! [08:03] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, just going by your instructions just now bud [08:03] <poningru> ok [08:03] <onur> Amaranth, so what ? [08:03] <poningru> let me know if you run into trouble [08:03] <Amaranth> onur: get out of that, go to System->Preferences->Keyboard [08:04] <ricosuave17> so xen will let me run windows on linux [08:04] <poningru> Amaranth: that didnt work [08:04] <vinux> brb guys [08:04] <iceman2k> this little AMD beats the heck out of my P4 ... [08:04] <onur> Amaranth, I have already done that it didnt work, That was my problem [08:04] <poningru> onur: so you dont want your entire system to be turkish? [08:04] <iceman2k> and the actual mhz are 1000 less [08:04] <onur> NO I want to use My Turkish keyboard in this English System THATS ALL [08:04] <poningru> oh [08:04] <Amaranth> Didn't work? Does it want more money? Does it sit on IRC all day? Please be more specific. [08:04] <iceman2k> Amd clocks the mhz at 1800... and it spanks a p4 2.8 ... [08:05] <poningru> onur then just right click on an input area [08:05] <hybrid_goth> iceman2k: thats how it is with a p4 to a G5 [08:05] <poningru> and select input method [08:05] <poningru> now there should be turkish in there somewhere [08:05] <onur> Amaranth, currently In the preferences Layout it is selected as Turkish [08:05] <iceman2k> Been looking at a mac ... to play with .. [08:06] <onur> But i cant type in Turkish [08:06] <vinux> hehe back on xfce4 [08:06] <Amaranth> onur: turkish is highest in the list? [08:06] <onur> poningru, there is not [08:06] <hybrid_goth> iceman2k: ubuntu is awesome on a mac [08:06] <Amaranth> being marked default isn't enough [08:06] <Amaranth> it needs to be first in the list [08:06] <onur> Amaranth, Turkish is the only item in the list and selected as default [08:06] <iceman2k> Ubuntu is about the smoothest linux distro i ave seen .. [08:06] <vinux> iceman2k, same here it's amazing [08:06] <hybrid_goth> iceman2k: sooo flesible [08:07] <hybrid_goth> **flexible [08:07] <iceman2k> absolutly ... [08:07] <hybrid_goth> so flexible it is flesible [08:07] <onur> poningru, what should i do now ? [08:07] <hybrid_goth> lol :p [08:07] <iceman2k> got to see if it will resize my partition and install and play nice with the mbr ... with xp 64 bit [08:08] <poningru> onur: hmm [08:08] <iceman2k> Only have the xp beta 64 bit ... [08:08] <poningru> onur: do you have the necessary fonts installed? [08:08] <crimsun> it resizes ntfs in the installer, yes. [08:08] <iceman2k> Still a free download ... and it's for sale .. [08:09] <crimsun> you have to change the partition size in the screen, but all the hard work is done for you. [08:09] <iceman2k> Xp 64 bit free ... ;) [08:09] <bob2> you mean "amd64", right? [08:09] <onur> poningru, i still didnt reboot please note that. And i dont know where to check the fonts ? [08:09] <iceman2k> yea [08:09] <bob2> windows nt 4.0 ran on 64-bit machines in 1997 or so [08:09] <poningru> onur: go to synaptic [08:09] <iceman2k> bob2 ? nt 4 ran on 64 bit , but did it use the full 64 bit ... [08:10] <poningru> make sure you have ttf-bitstream-vera [08:10] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, ive finished what you instructed me to do [08:10] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: now go into synaptic package manager [08:10] <Amaranth> haha [08:10] <Dr_Melectaus> ok [08:10] <Amaranth> everytime i try to choose turkish keyboard GNOME crashes back down to gdm [08:10] <Amaranth> breezy is so broken :D [08:10] <poningru> and install libdvdcss2 [08:10] <bob2> iceman2k: of course [08:10] <bob2> 64-bit cpus are nothing special [08:11] <onur> poningru, already installed [08:11] <bob2> the only reason people think they are is because Alphas and Itanium never hit the mass-market like amd64 has [08:11] <iceman2k> bob2 from what i understood... when the clawhammer and sledgehammer processors started in beta about 4 years ago, the only os that would work was linux .. [08:11] <Amaranth> To be fair, the Itanium sucked. [08:11] <Dr_Melectaus> ok done that poningru [08:11] <Amaranth> And now it's previous suckage will keep it out of the competition. [08:11] <bob2> iceman2k: yes, there were many 64-bit cpus before AMD64 [08:11] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: you should be able to play dvds now [08:12] <Dr_Melectaus> cheers man [08:12] <onur> poningru, and coming back to me ? [08:12] <poningru> np [08:12] <iceman2k> next move will be 128 bit processors ... ;) [08:12] <bob2> iceman2k: windows has only recently been able to run on AMD64, but it ran on Alpha many years ago [08:12] <poningru> onur: yeah [08:12] <poningru> still trying to figure it out [08:12] <poningru> iceman2k: unlikely [08:13] <Computer__Guru> Hai, fsckers! [08:13] <poningru> well it wont happen on x86 [08:13] <Amaranth> bob2: 1996 [08:13] <Computer__Guru> what wont? [08:13] <iceman2k> 128 bit [08:13] <onur> poningru, does it matter if i give you my user name and pass so you connect through ssh ? [08:13] <poningru> no [08:13] <poningru> do not do that [08:14] <bob2> 128-bit is more ram than anyone will be able to afford for a long time [08:14] <poningru> onur: serious breach of security [08:14] <iceman2k> bob2 would have to agree ... [08:14] <poningru> onur: try disagree [08:14] <poningru> err [08:14] <onur> i know this is a bad idea but it is a freshly installed thing and if cant solve this issue i will format the disk anyway [08:14] <poningru> try restarting the computer [08:14] <iceman2k> only have 512 from the p4 in the AMD 64 right now... next move is a GIG of ram [08:15] <poningru> iceman2k: with the amd64 make sure you have powernow activated [08:15] <onur> so risk of security is better than format. ok i am doing [08:15] <poningru> or else its gonna run hotter than a tamale [08:15] <Computer__Guru> i have 384 and rarely if ever hit swap [08:15] <poningru> onur: true [08:15] <iceman2k> ABIT K8V Pro mobo ... Nice protection ... [08:15] <jambon> has anyone gotten enlightenment to work well for them? [08:16] <iceman2k> god AMD 64 rocks .. [08:16] <dr_willis> jambon, not in the last 5+ years :P [08:16] <Saint-Fran> hey guys is ubuntu a good distro? [08:16] <Saint-Fran> coz im going to install it [08:16] <iceman2k> absolutle [08:16] <dr_willis> Saint-Fran, yes - its very well done. [08:16] <vinux> Saint-Fran, it owns! [08:16] <Saint-Fran> but yah there are like 2394823424 ditros [08:16] <Saint-Fran> lol i have no clue [08:16] <Saint-Fran> which one to pick [08:16] <poningru> Saint-Fran: this is not the place to ask [08:16] <bob2> Saint-Fran: so try it and see [08:16] <poningru> for a unbiased review [08:16] <Saint-Fran> ahhaaht ahts so true [08:16] <vinux> Saint-Fran, i've tried alot but ubuntu is the best! [08:17] <Saint-Fran> yah i just finished dling the iso for ubuntu [08:17] <poningru> we all use it so we are all going to say ubuntu is good [08:17] <Saint-Fran> :{ [08:17] <jambon> watcha talkin about willis? [08:17] <Saint-Fran> err :} [08:17] <iceman2k> ubuntu is smooth to install, awasom support here, and great hardware support [08:17] <jambon> not even tried dr17? [08:17] <poningru> but imho its the best out there for a person starting out with linux [08:17] <vinux> poningru, hehe yea true [08:17] <dr_willis> you do need some free unpartioned space for the installer i think. It wont resize an existing partition. (or has it started doing that?) [08:17] <sono> Hey friends. Hello. Does anybody know if the ubuntu AMD64 OpenOffice printing problem has been solved? [08:17] <Saint-Fran> i see cool [08:17] <poningru> iceman2k: you do have powernow running right? [08:17] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, are there any other DVD players ? [08:18] <Saint-Fran> btw wahts powernow? [08:18] <Dr_Melectaus> other than totem [08:18] <jambon> so anyone here ever fiddled with dr1? [08:18] <Gatton> Saint-Fran, I've used a lot of distros and I'm very happy with Ubuntu. Suse Pro is the only thing that comes close and that costs $90 US and this is free [08:18] <iceman2k> sono ... still need to install ubuntu 64 bit .... thats a issue ... [08:18] <poningru> hehe Dr_Melectaus totem sucks [08:18] <poningru> use vlc [08:18] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, i know :-\ its poo [08:18] <Gatton> But don't Version me or anything cuz I'm on the mac while I install Kubuntu on the other machine ;) [08:18] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: also did you activate dma? [08:18] <Dr_Melectaus> uhm how do i do that poningru [08:18] <poningru> ubotu tell Dr_Melectaus about dma [08:19] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: did you get that? [08:19] <poningru> it basically makes your dvd run better [08:19] <jambon> would anyone know what the following error means? [08:19] <jambon> error while loading shared libraries: libtag.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [08:19] <poningru> err dvd drive run better [08:19] <sono> sorry iceman2k... cause 32 bit Openoffice works neat with cups right? [08:19] <Dr_Melectaus> yes poni, doesnt say how to activate it though [08:19] <poningru> open that link [08:19] <Dr_Melectaus> or is it at the link [08:19] <necrogami> i wanna listen to a .pls shoutcast stream on ubuntu how would i go about doing that [08:19] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DMA [08:19] <poningru> yeah [08:20] <Saint-Fran> hey poningru.. u said something about activating something or else the amd64 will run hot [08:20] <Saint-Fran> i saw it right when i went in.. what were u talking about [08:20] <Dr_Melectaus> whats VLC stand for? i cant apt-get vlc [08:20] <poningru> Saint-Fran: powernow [08:20] <sono> AMD64 OpenOffice just does'nt works with cups. [08:20] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: wxvlc [08:20] <thoreauputic> necrogami: nicest way to listen to shoutcast - install streamtuner [08:20] <Gatton> VLC is Video Lan. a vide player [08:20] <tnet03> hai [08:20] <Saint-Fran> whats powernow do? and whats that [08:20] <poningru> !powernow [08:20] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, poningru [08:20] <bob2> sono: there's a bug report in Bugzilla? [08:20] <poningru> grr [08:21] <poningru> Saint-Fran: here let me get you a good link [08:21] <Dr_Melectaus> lol [08:21] <bob2> Saint-Fran: it slows your cpu down when you're not using it, to save battery [08:21] <Gatton> Dr_Melactaus, try doing apt-cache search vlc and you should find the full name. Or search with Synaptic [08:21] <Saint-Fran> i see [08:21] <sono> btw vlc does not works from the ubuntu64 binaries right? It shoots a segmentation fault error. [08:21] <Saint-Fran> how do i activate it? [08:21] <Gatton> Curse this mac version of xchat. No nick completion? argh [08:21] <thoreauputic> vlc is in the universe repository [08:22] <onur> poningru, i am back [08:22] <jambon> Enlightenment anyone? having problems starting apps. Like eclair and engage [08:22] <vinux> hey windows uses DMA 5 on my other hard drive. Hmm wonder if I can use that on this one? [08:22] <necrogami> thoreauputic: thanks installing now [08:22] <poningru> Saint-Fran: just get powernowd from synaptic [08:22] <poningru> and restart [08:22] <onur> poningru, at the begining of my login also theres a Turkish option in the language i selected it [08:22] <poningru> onur: did it work? [08:22] <poningru> guessing no [08:23] <bob2> Saint-Fran: it's setup by default on laptops [08:23] <onur> poningru, and all the menus and so on become Turkish with correct Turkish chars [08:23] <thoreauputic> necrogami: in edit > prefs you can specify a player to use - default is xmms but I use beep-media-player here [08:23] <onur> poningru, however still cant type in Turkish [08:23] <poningru> onur: did you try the rightclick thing? [08:23] <thoreauputic> necrogami: if you want to rip streams with it install streamripper ( they work together) [08:23] <bob2> Saint-Fran: please don't /msg me [08:24] <onur> poningru, no the menu names are in turkish but nothing related to turkish [08:24] <bob2> Saint-Fran: please don't /msg me [08:24] <poningru> hmm [08:24] <Saint-Fran> oh lol [08:24] <Saint-Fran> sorry [08:24] <onur> poningru, also i realized that theres no apply in the keyb layout menu [08:24] <bob2> Saint-Fran: if you have questions about ubuntu, come back once you have it installed [08:24] <onur> i mean it is trange that you select a keyb layout then you "close" the dialog box [08:24] <poningru> onur: have you tried both of the turkish keyboard layouts? [08:25] <poningru> onur: thats how it works [08:25] <aru> what language do they speak in malaysia? [08:25] <poningru> malay [08:25] <[teh] > bob2, how would i make a package of xchat with checkinstall that would overwrite the xchat that ubuntu manages? [08:25] <onur> poningru, no the other is theorethically very different key placement than my keyboard [08:25] <craigaa> Howzit all? Can someone help me with some recommendations wrt a small network? I have four workstations, all will be Ubuntu with one dual-booting to Windowze XP, and one server. The server will obviously have to run Samba to provide for the dual-boot workstation, but should I use Samba or NFS for the Linux-to-Linux file serving? [08:25] <poningru> onur: ic [08:25] <onur> poningru, it starts with F and mine is Q [08:25] <bob2> [teh] : you wouldn't, that would be silly [08:25] <poningru> right [08:25] <sono> bob2, I am looking for those bug reports. [08:25] <necrogami> OMFG this stream is Pure Techno Destruction [08:26] <onur> poningru, you are out of ideas it seems [08:26] <bob2> [teh] : compile it to /usr/local/ or something [08:26] <poningru> onur: yeah unfortunately [08:26] <necrogami> http://69.135.193.239:8000/listen.pls if anyone wants to listen [08:26] <[teh] > bob2, i want to do it that way.... [08:26] <thoreauputic> necrogami: did you install streamripper too ? It rocks :) [08:26] <bob2> [teh] : good luck then [08:26] <[teh] > i just want to know how ubuntu names its xchat package, so i can use that scheme to apply it to my 2.4.4 package [08:26] <necrogami> yep [08:26] <onur> poningru, any last suggestions ? If not i will reinstall ubuntu once more and still cant cope it i have to leave it [08:27] <poningru> onur: let me try something else [08:27] <poningru> what is the full name of your keyboard? [08:27] <necrogami> OMFG @ this stream tho [08:27] <onur> poningru, my pleasure [08:27] <Xyc0> Steve Keyboard [08:27] <onur> poningru, brand name ? [08:27] <Xyc0> thats his full name [08:27] <poningru> onur: yah [08:27] <poningru> err full brand name+model name [08:28] <onur> poningru, this is a HP compax nx7010 laptop and the keyboard is integrated as you might guess [08:28] <poningru> oh ic [08:28] <poningru> hmm let me see [08:28] <onur> poningru, also i know very well that Suse could type turkish very well on this comp [08:28] <iceman2k> God, most people i ask, said there was little difference in AMD 64 2800 and a P4 2.8 ... I disagree ... [08:28] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, im at step 4 for makeing DMA load on startup. It says edit your hdparm.conf. i typed gedit /etc/hdparm.conf and it wont let me edit it [08:28] <Xyc0> symantics [08:29] <Gatton> necrogami it must be awfully popular. stream keeps stalling for me [08:29] <vinux> thoreauputic, hey what's the easy command to just rip a song i'm listening to with streamtuner? or is there an easy command hehe [08:29] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: try gedit /etc/hdparm.conf [08:29] <onur> poningru, HP compaq nx7010 it should be -- correction to above [08:29] <poningru> onur: yeah I figured [08:29] <Dr_Melectaus> thats what i typed poningru [08:29] <ricosuave17> any guides to customize gnome [08:29] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: hold sorry [08:29] <thoreauputic> vinux: if you have streamripper installed you just press the record button [08:29] <vinux> Dr_Fate, do sudo before gedit [08:29] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: try sudo gedit /etc/hdparm.conf [08:29] <Dr_Melectaus> ok [08:29] <poningru> and it will ask for password [08:30] <poningru> vinux: can you help him out [08:30] <poningru> I need to help onur [08:30] <vinux> poningru, sure what does he need? [08:30] <vinux> hdparm? [08:31] <vinux> Dr_Melectaus, ok what drive is it? /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd? [08:31] <thoreauputic> vinux: if you want to save bandwidth you can redirect the stream and monitor it from port 8000 - see man streamripper for the options [08:31] <vinux> Dr_Melectaus, is this for DVDs? [08:31] <vinux> thoreauputic, cool thanks [08:32] <[teh] > how do i add an icon to the kde menu? [08:32] <[teh] > a shortcut rather [08:32] <Amaranth> [teh] : kmenuedit or smeg [08:33] <[teh] > thanks [08:34] <onur> poningru, may be i could supply you a VNC connection , though you dont have the turkish keyboard, i doubt if it could be useful [08:35] <onur> so silent [08:35] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, the dvd works [08:35] <Dr_Melectaus> but theres no sound [08:35] <poningru> we are apt of borg - rpm is futile - you will be dpkg'ed [08:36] <Dr_Melectaus> roffle poningru [08:36] <poningru> onur: dont think that will help [08:36] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: hmm [08:36] <poningru> so the sound doesnt work? [08:36] <poningru> onur: I am fresh out of ideas [08:36] <Dr_Melectaus> not in the new program i downloaded [08:36] <onur> poningru, you could play with my configuariton [08:37] <onur> poningru, any last suggestions that where should i take support ? [08:37] <Dr_Melectaus> but sound works in totem, but the trackin is screwed in totem. it only thinks the disc is 37 seconds long [08:37] <Dr_Melectaus> sound works [08:37] <onur> or anyone in this channel ? [08:37] <poningru> onur: I would say try putting it up in the [08:37] <Dr_Melectaus> just not on this dvd [08:37] <poningru> ubuntu forums [08:37] <onur> poningru, i did already [08:37] <poningru> oh [08:37] <onur> poningru, it was my first stop [08:37] <poningru> hmm this is annoying [08:38] <poningru> I would hate it if my keyboard didnt work [08:38] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: are you using totem-xine or the default ( totem-gstreamer) ? [08:38] <onur> poningru, but my keyboard works, it is ubuntu unable to figure it out [08:38] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, is that some sort of sound codec ? [08:39] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: no - different backends /engines for totem [08:39] <robotgeek> onur: sorry, i just got in...what kind of problem do u have? [08:39] <miguel_> has anyone ever had a problem where everytime they logged out or rebooted, none of their desktop settings were saved, despite clicking the 'save settings' box on exit. is it a read/write issue [08:39] <Dr_Melectaus> im getting sound in totem, just it only thinks the dvd is 37 seconds long [08:39] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: i suggest you install totem-xine - gstreamer still has issues [08:39] <Dr_Melectaus> the backend engine- im not sure [08:39] <poningru> thoreauputic: he is using vlc right now [08:39] <onur> robotgeek, thank you, Now in my HP compaq nx7010 laptop i have a Turkish keyboard i want to use but i cant [08:39] <Dr_Melectaus> ok, do i just apt-get it thoreauputic ? [08:39] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: just try it [08:40] <thoreauputic> poningru: I thought he was complaining about totem ? *grin* [08:40] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: have you tried synaptic package manager? [08:40] <onur> robotgeek, and it is already set in preferences keyboard layout as default I mean Turkish keyboard , as the only option [08:40] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: sudo apt-get install totem-xine [08:40] <Dr_Melectaus> aye ive done it :) [08:40] <thoreauputic> k [08:40] <Dr_Melectaus> im getting it now poningru [08:41] <poningru> ok cool [08:41] <Dr_Melectaus> thor: will this solve the sound issue in VLC ? [08:41] <ricosuave17> whats a good p2p program besides amule [08:41] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: no [08:41] <thoreauputic> :) [08:41] <Dr_Melectaus> ok [08:41] <Dr_Melectaus> lol [08:41] <robotgeek> onur: i have no experience with foreign keyboards...but try playind with the xmodmap program [08:41] <onur> robotgeek, and furthermore even the login language Turkish works well, still cant type in Turkish no matter what i do. This is my problem [08:41] <sono> Ok guys (bob2), OpenOffice printing does not work in Hoary64, as we can officially read @ bug 8663 [08:41] <Sammi> ricosuave17: Try Limewire. [08:41] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: do you have w32codecs installed? [08:41] <bob2> awesome [08:42] <robotgeek> onur: ahh...internationalization, no experince at all..sorry!! [08:42] <Dr_Melectaus> i believe so thoreauputic [08:42] <thoreauputic> ok [08:42] <onur> robotgeek, no problem thanks for trying [08:42] <sono> I am currently downloading the massive 213 MB of OpenOffice source to recompile... but... I am thinking it twice... [08:43] <dr_willis> i just use abiword [08:43] <ricosuave17> is it in apt-get ? [08:43] <dr_willis> :P [08:43] <onur> robotgeek, anyone could help me in this channel ? [08:43] <sono> it is a major package... how could it have a so terrible fault [08:43] <sono> I did use abiword dr_willis... in fact I vote for it [08:43] <sono> but... [08:43] <robotgeek> onur: do have this language-env package installed, it says it's a configuration tool...you might wanna try it out [08:44] <ricosuave17> limewire is not in apt-get is it? [08:44] <robotgeek> onur: you best bet would be to show up again later. people do live in different parts of the world [08:44] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: nope [08:44] <onur> theres no such package [08:44] <sono> we must confess to ourselves we end up needing some openoffice for the compatibility with people inside the Matrix (tm) (solely using Microlust products) [08:44] <robotgeek> !repositories [08:44] <ubotu> well, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos [08:44] <Dr_Fate> vinux, depends [08:45] <onur> robotgeek, guide me [08:45] <jasoncohen> ricosuave17, http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire [08:45] <robotgeek> onur: go thru that guide, and add the repositories as directed [08:45] <onur> robotgeek, on my way [08:45] <ricosuave17> i added already all the reposterias i knew off [08:45] <ricosuave17> even some weird ones [08:45] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: go to the limewire site and install [08:45] <ricosuave17> ok [08:46] <vinux> Dr_Fate, are you talking about the DMA thingy? [08:46] <jasoncohen> ricosuave17, well, you shouldn't have anything but ubuntu repositories, backports and extras. marillat and other unofficial sources for debian can trash your ubuntu install [08:47] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, i got the w32codecs [08:48] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: whats the matter it still not playing the sound? [08:48] <Dr_Melectaus> nope [08:48] <Dr_Melectaus> not even in totem any more [08:48] <poningru> hmm wierd [08:48] <Dr_Melectaus> :( [08:48] <poningru> can you play other sounds? [08:49] <Dr_Melectaus> yea [08:49] <Dr_Melectaus> mp3's. radio [08:49] <Dr_Melectaus> they all work [08:49] <Dr_Melectaus> .ogg [08:49] <poningru> hmm [08:50] <jasoncohen> Dr_Melectaus, what's not playing sound? [08:50] <poningru> his dvd [08:50] <Dr_Melectaus> jasoncohen, totem movie player. and vlc [08:50] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: try to play an .ogg in vlc [08:50] <robotgeek> try vlc, that was the only thing which worked for me! [08:51] <poningru> yeah [08:51] <Dr_Melectaus> ok poningru [08:51] <Loki> hey quick question for any of ya lol [08:51] <jasoncohen> Dr_Melectaus, nothing plays sound in totem or just videos? what about an mp3? [08:51] <Loki> How do i mount a hard drive. Friend is getting kinda upset and about to blow his lid lol [08:51] <jasoncohen> are you using totem-xine or totem-gstreamer? [08:51] <jasoncohen> w32codecs works with the xine engine [08:51] <Loki> He has a external he is trying to install the ubuntu distro to [08:52] <ricosuave17> well ill risk it i like to have lots of programs [08:52] <robotgeek> Loki: try mount /dev/sda1 <mount point> [08:52] <Dr_Melectaus> jasoncohen, no sound with a .ogg [08:52] <poningru> Loki: so he wants to install ubuntu to his externel hard drive? [08:52] <Dr_Melectaus> im useing totem-xine [08:52] <Loki> yes [08:52] <ricosuave17> limewire is loading for like 3 hours now [08:52] <Dr_Melectaus> i have the w32codecs [08:52] <Dr_Melectaus> and i have xine [08:52] <Loki> mount point being? the drive letter [08:52] <poningru> Loki: I would say thats a bad idea but its doable [08:52] <Loki> LOL i know he should do it on his internal hard drive. [08:52] <robotgeek> Loki: sorry, i misunderstood...i think your process might involve doing an expert install, and loading the usb and scsi modules...not sure [08:53] <Loki> but *shrugs* [08:53] <poningru> Loki: what robotgeek said [08:53] <Dr_Melectaus> jasoncohen, i have xine, and w32codecs [08:53] <Loki> Ah. [08:53] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: hmm - could be good old esd getting in the way as usual - can xmms or beep-media-player play sounds (ogg, mp3) ? [08:53] <poningru> Loki: what kind of external hard drive is it? [08:53] <_icebreaker_> how can i test if hardware rendering is enabeld? [08:53] <Loki> Maxtor [08:54] <Loki> OneTouch2 [08:54] <poningru> Loki: like usb, firewire, or scsi? [08:54] <Dr_Melectaus> yes thoreauputic [08:54] <ricosuave17> cool limewire is the first windows program to look exactly the same in linux finally [08:54] <Loki> USB [08:54] <poningru> hmm [08:54] <EdLin> ricosuave17, that's because it's a Java swing app [08:54] <jasoncohen> ricosuave17, what about firefox, gaim, thunderbird etc [08:54] <robotgeek> i have a nice usb external [08:54] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: just as an experiment, try " killall esd" then run totem again (you never know) [08:54] <jasoncohen> they look pretty much the same in windows [08:54] <Loki> haha. I need to get one [08:54] <thoreauputic> just guessing here... [08:55] <Loki> But also what essentially what happens is we can install linux just fine. [08:55] <Loki> But when we go to load it nothing happens. [08:55] <Loki> He gets this error [08:55] <Loki> 1 sec lol. sorry. [08:55] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: here lets just try this: logout and log back in [08:55] <ricosuave17> nop those look horrible in linux [08:55] <Dr_Melectaus> Ahhh!! works for totem thoreauputic [08:55] <robotgeek> Loki: that's mostly because the usb modules need to be loaded, and that's only loaded after i boots! [08:56] <Loki> oh [08:56] <_icebreaker_> how can i test if graphic acceleration is enabeld [08:56] <onur> robotgeek, installed the lanaguage-env [08:56] <poningru> ricosuave17: firefox looks the same everywhere [08:56] <Loki> pivot_root: No such file or directory [08:56] <Loki> /sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console: No such file [08:56] <Loki> Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! [08:56] <Loki> is the error he is getting [08:56] <onur> robotgeek, no improvments still [08:56] <ilba7r> is there a way to customize the display icons in gnome for specific file type say .lyx [08:56] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: my firefox is more functional in linux than windows...i have it maximised without borders... [08:56] <poningru> Loki: here try this [08:56] <ricosuave17> how. i use opera [08:57] <robotgeek> onur: you might also want to try to post on the ubutu forums, where your question is gonna stay. [08:57] <onur> robotgeek, already done [08:57] <robotgeek> onur: also try back here later...sorry, i dunno anything about this! [08:57] <thoreauputic_> Dr_Melectaus: looks like the dreaded esd struck again (sorry I was disconnected by ISP ) [08:57] <onur> robotgeek, also i noticed a small bug with the Turkish font of Ubuntu, ok thx anyway [08:58] <Dr_Melectaus> no probs thoreauputic cheers mate [08:58] <poningru> Loki: try this [08:58] <poningru> http://linux.simple.be/tools/sbm [08:58] <Loki> Will do [08:58] <thoreauputic_> Dr_Melectaus: working now? [08:58] <Dr_Melectaus> yes in totem :) [08:58] <thoreauputic_> aha! [08:58] <robotgeek> Loki: i have an external usb enclosure, and use a normal ide drive in there...works well. it's a 80 gig hdd for less than 50$ [08:59] <poningru> onur: try back when its evening in turkey [08:59] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks thoreauputic, poningru and jasoncohen [08:59] <poningru> np [08:59] <thoreauputic_> Dr_Melectaus: you're welcome :) [08:59] <Loki> wow. heh he went out and bout a 2 gig external hard drive. so.... lol [08:59] <Loki> But 1 prop poni [08:59] <Loki> he doesn't have a floppy drive [08:59] <ricosuave17> limewire is nice anyother one? [08:59] <poningru> wtf [08:59] <Loki> LOL [08:59] <robotgeek> neither do i have one! [09:00] <poningru> wait yeah modern laptops make sense [09:00] <Loki> yes [09:00] <poningru> no I dont have one either but I just for some reason thought that you were all using desktops [09:00] <robotgeek> sorry, i meant "i don't have one either" [09:00] <Loki> heh i am using a desktop [09:00] <Loki> he's using a laptop [09:00] <ricosuave17> there is one problem tho when i switch from one window to another limewire takes a while to load [09:01] <poningru> Loki: I would tell him to install ubuntu in his internal hardrive [09:01] <robotgeek> Loki: yeah, me too [09:01] <robotgeek> Loki: though, it's an interesting challenge! [09:01] <poningru> hehe yeah [09:01] <Loki> HAHA [09:01] <Loki> 4 days X_X we have been at it lol [09:02] <Loki> meep *kicks his IRC client* [09:02] <robotgeek> though, i think you would need to enable USB boot support in the bios..otherwise, might not be possible [09:02] <zyth> Is there a way I can remove my NTFS partiton and merge the space into my Linux partition w/o erasing all my data? [09:03] <Loki> ubuntu is apparently on his internal hard drive [09:04] <keikoz> zyth i dont think [09:04] <Loki> Ceneskie says: [09:04] <Loki> all i want to know is how to edit line 429 of /sbin/init from the Ubuntu shell [09:04] <Loki> lol... If that means anything? [09:04] <keikoz> (w/o erasing your data i mean) [09:04] <ricosuave17> i was just talking to a dude and u know what he said about linux the gui looks sick [09:04] <poningru> zyth: yes [09:05] <poningru> qtparted [09:05] <zyth> poningru, how? [09:05] <zyth> qtparted..? and it'll do it nondestructively? [09:05] <poningru> yes [09:05] <poningru> well like all software it has been known to fail [09:05] <poningru> but it work [09:05] <poningru> and I have used it [09:05] <robotgeek> :) [09:05] <poningru> worked for me everytime [09:06] <poningru> no data loss here [09:06] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: it's just a matter of opinion...windows gui sucks when compared to OS X [09:06] <poningru> zyth: you can get it from synaptic [09:06] <ricosuave17> not really i do think linux gui is sick it needs intensive care [09:06] <Loki> okay robotgeek :P got one more question muahaha [09:06] <Loki> KDE! lol gnome *shudders* [09:07] <poningru> ricosuave17: how many linux desktops have you tried? [09:07] <benplaut> i have nightmares about the GUI of WindowMaker [09:07] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: my gnome desktop looks very nice, thank u very much! [09:07] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: no such thing as "a linux GUI" really -it depends entirely which DE or WM is in use [09:07] <ricosuave17> may i see a screenie [09:07] <ricosuave17> well i haven found an DE or WM thats nice [09:07] <Loki> But robot my question is this how do you all i want to know is how to edit line 429 of /sbin/init from the Ubuntu shell [09:07] <Ycros> I'm happy with ion.... :)~ [09:08] <poningru> Loki: sudo gedit /sbin/init [09:08] <robotgeek> actually a openbox + gnome combination [09:08] <poningru> or [09:08] <poningru> Loki: sudo emacs /sbin/init [09:08] <Loki> Ty sir [09:08] <ricosuave17> any screnies? [09:09] <robotgeek> sudo vi /sbin/init!! [09:09] <poningru> emacs [09:09] <thoreauputic> poningru: erm - run "file /sbin/init " - it is a binary : not editable I'm afraid [09:09] <poningru> thoreauputic: he asked how to edit it [09:09] <poningru> didnt know it was a bing [09:09] <poningru> let the flame wars begin [09:09] <poningru> EMACS!!!!!! [09:09] <Loki> lol [09:09] <thoreauputic> poningru: you can't, at least not directly [09:09] <poningru> oneoneone [09:10] <onur> poningru, i solved the problem [09:10] <poningru> right [09:10] <poningru> onur: how [09:10] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7617/desktop0kc.png [09:10] <mabu> Why is inkscape 0.40 in repository if the newest version is 0.42? [09:10] <robotgeek> onur: nice, how? [09:11] <onur> poningru, i dont know exactly but i removed all the keyboards from layout and then added Turkish Q (at the top hierarchy previously i have set Turkish Alt Q) [09:11] <thoreauputic> mabu: because hoary only has security updates and bugfixes [09:11] <onur> [09:12] <ricosuave17> robotgeek: i need u to help me with one big thing i like from ur screenie [09:12] <rgranholm> anyone in here, i hvae some questions [09:12] <mabu> ok but how can I get Inkscape 0.42 from repository? Is there any other repo? [09:12] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: like what? [09:12] <bob2> mabu: because hoary froze 6 months ago? [09:12] <Loki> The grammar X_X my eyes BURN! [09:12] <thoreauputic> mabu: possibly in backports - I don't know [09:12] <ricosuave17> the bottom text menus that say applications and stuff [09:12] <Loki> hey roboto sudo doesn't work [09:13] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: do u need to get that? [09:13] <onur> robotgeek, and poningru the problem is Turkish Alt-Q is not working i should have selected Turkish Q which is at the top. Since when i select Turkish Alt Q in the keyboard picture i cant see any letters [09:13] <rgranholm> i cant seem to get the program kdx to start... [09:13] <ricosuave17> yes plz [09:13] <rgranholm> can anyone help [09:13] <onur> what the heck Turkish Alt - Q is then , heh anyway thx [09:14] <mabu> When I had Fedora there where updates of programs too. And I had stable version. [09:14] <rgranholm> i cant execute the .lexe program [09:14] <bob2> mabu: sure, that's fedora [09:14] <bob2> mabu: you're welcome to run the development version of ubuntu, too [09:14] <robotgeek> Right Click -> Add to Panel -> Gnome Panel Bar or something similiar [09:14] <bob2> it's pretty broken, tho [09:14] <mabu> The only thing I don't like in Fedora is lack of AmaroK [09:14] <rgranholm> hello? can someone help me please! [09:14] <bob2> rgranholm: you need to ask your question in a more useful way [09:15] <rgranholm> hmm [09:15] <rgranholm> ok [09:15] <rgranholm> understood [09:15] <ricosuave17> yay it showed up thanks [09:15] <robotgeek> Right Click -> Add to Panel -> Menu Bar [09:15] <bob2> rgranholm: a) briefly explain what kdx is, b) tell us what you've changed since it last worked, c) paste the error to #flood [09:15] <onur> poningru, There's a font bug of Ubuntu about Turkish keyboard however. I mean this is not about configuration but Ubuntu is printing a letter slightly wrong [09:15] <ricosuave17> domo arigato mr roboto [09:16] <Loki> lol [09:16] <onur> should i report it to somewhere ? [09:16] <ricosuave17> btw i love that song mr roboto [09:16] <rgranholm> i dont know what #flood is, but kdx is a community based peer to peer program, it has never worked..i am brand new to linux, and when i try and paste into xchat, it doesnt let me! but i will type it [09:16] <sono> oh dudes... oh dudes... I mean, compiling for AMD64 all those massive openoffice sources doesn't make sense... only to make the app look lush with the gtk-gnome package and to achieve printing... [09:16] <mebaran151> ooh fun [09:16] <mebaran151> the installer kernel panics [09:16] <onur> i tried the bugzilla but i don't have an account besides i dunno if i should write a formal report [09:16] <mebaran151> nice ....... [09:17] <rgranholm> ok i got the paste to work [09:17] <onur> robotgeek, ? [09:17] <Loki> Okay how do i get line 429 of /sbin/init from the hard drive and not from the CD itself? [09:17] <ricosuave17> mr roboto one more question [09:17] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: #flood is a channel for pasting output - /join #flood to see [09:17] <Loki> when i go into the shell it says that the hard disk file systems are mount ed on /target [09:18] <Loki> how do i get over to /target and edit that fil [09:18] <Loki> e* [09:18] <cafuego> Loki: $EDITOR /target/sbin/init [09:18] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: so, you changed ur mind about linux gui's sucking? :) [09:18] <cafuego> Except it's a binary, of course. [09:18] <ricosuave17> mr roboto only cause im listening to mr roboto by stx [09:18] <Loki> ty [09:18] <mebaran151> bob2, you were right [09:18] <learn25> Hi all. [09:18] <bob2> mebaran151: ? [09:18] <cafuego> Loki: So don't edit it. [09:19] <Loki> Oh [09:19] <mebaran151> Breezy definitely is not ready [09:19] <bob2> yes [09:19] <learn25> is there a programming tool in linux? Like visual basic in windows? [09:19] <mebaran151> installer kernel paniced [09:19] <mebaran151> funnnnn [09:19] <vladuz976> anybody know a good wallpaper site? [09:19] <cafuego> mebaran151: Did you think the topic was a joke? [09:19] <dr_willis> learn25, several variations - depends on what language ya want to use. [09:19] <mebaran151> learn25: gcc and Kdevelop [09:19] <bob2> mebaran151: don't forget to file a bug [09:19] <psychonate> vladuz976, I like deviant art. [09:19] <mebaran151> cafuego: I thought it meant there is a bug [09:19] <ricosuave17> mr roboto it still sucks it just doesnt suck that much [09:19] <mebaran151> I cant [09:19] <learn25> is kdevelop GUI based? [09:19] <cafuego> mebaran151: No, there are MANY. [09:19] <onur> poningru, ? [09:19] <mebaran151> well I can ... grumble grumble [09:19] <psychonate> vladuz976, http://www.deviantart.com/ [09:19] <bob2> mebaran151: why? [09:20] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: it altteast looks better than my windows machine [09:20] <mebaran151> I just realized [09:20] <rgranholm> ok bob2 i did what you said...pasted my output.... i think i might just not know how to execute the file [09:20] <mebaran151> I was going to say I dont have internet because I was thinking my linux box was friend [09:20] <mebaran151> fried [09:20] <dr_willis> ricosuave17, you do realze tht the reason limewire looks the same under Linux and windows - is due to it being a Java program? :P [09:20] <robotgeek> vladuz976: http://www.xanthic.net/ [09:20] <mebaran151> until I realized that I could just do it from here [09:20] <vladuz976> psychonate: they look good thanks [09:20] <mebaran151> I am thinking of trying a BSD [09:20] <ricosuave17> mr roboto what i need is to know how to u do that thing with the open windows that is only like one bar has arrows [09:20] <Loki> He said nothing pulled [09:21] <vladuz976> robotgeek: wow what is that [09:21] <rgranholm> anyone still with me, does anyone here use KDX?? [09:21] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: please refer to me as robotgeek ! [09:21] <robotgeek> vladuz976: which one? [09:21] <mebaran151> rgranholm: what is KDX [09:21] <ricosuave17> robotgeek: sorry mr roboto [09:21] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: patience please [09:21] <vladuz976> robotgeek: xanthic [09:21] <bob2> rgranholm: .lexe? what on earth is that? [09:22] <robotgeek> vladuz976: some wallpaper site i found long time ago! [09:22] <Madpilot> blasted power outages - I was on the way to set a personal uptime record, too... :( [09:22] <mrd`> Argh, ssh x11 forwarding suddenly broke on me... anyone familiar enough with xauth to explain what went wrong? (I'm looking for documentation and nothing's being useful to fix it.) [09:22] <mebaran151> Madpilot: heheheh [09:22] <bob2> mrd`: breezy? [09:22] <mebaran151> mrd`: maybe it got disonnected [09:22] <vladuz976> robotgeek: looks like a forum to me [09:22] <rgranholm> mebaran: http://www.haxial.com/products/kdx/ >>>>KDX is like a swiss army knife for internet and intranet communications. KDX is a powerful multi-OS "BBS"-style (Bulletin Board System) encrypted internet communications system that provides voice chat (Internet Telephone), text chat, messaging, news, file and folder transfer, remote access, trackers and more. It uses strong encryption to protect your communications for security [09:22] <rgranholm> and privacy. It is very useful for groups that need to collaborate on a project via the Internet. It is also very useful for remote administration of a computer. KDX uses a client/server architecture (NOT peer-to-peer). [09:22] <mebaran151> TCP/IP can be kind of shaky [09:22] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: try enlightenment [09:23] <Thunderguy> Anyone ever had experience with Lexmark z22/z32 in Ubuntu? [09:23] <zyth> why won't gparted let me resize my ext2 partiton? [09:23] <mrd`> bob2: On my machine yes, but I haven't updated anything between it working and not. [09:23] <mrd`> mebaran151: No. [09:23] <ricosuave17> robotgeek: later on can i get that part working plz [09:23] <aru> zyth: to get to the other side? [09:23] <bob2> mrd`: and on the other machine? [09:23] <mrd`> bob2: The other's hoary. [09:23] <robotgeek> vladuz976: there are some neat wallpapers there.. [09:23] <dr_willis> Thunderguy, ive thrown several of those away :P [09:23] <bob2> rgranholm: so, what on earth is a .lexe file? it's certainly not a linux executable. [09:23] <mrd`> bob2: Literally, I logged in via ssh, DISPLAY was set and everything worked fine. I logged out, and logged back in, and it's no longer set. [09:23] <bob2> rgranholm: you are sure you downloaded the linu version of this, right? [09:24] <robotgeek> though deviantart is the most extensive [09:24] <bob2> mrd`: ssh -X? [09:24] <Thunderguy> Well Its a good printer, if you refill the cartridges yourself. [09:24] <mrd`> bob2: Doesn't help. [09:24] <rgranholm> KDX Client for GNU/Linux/x86 correct, that version [09:24] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: which part? [09:24] <Thunderguy> I just can't seem to get it working in Linux. [09:24] <dr_willis> Thunderguy, Hmm.. ones i saw were about a $25 printer. :P [09:24] <ricosuave17> like were u see the windows that are currently open [09:24] <bob2> rgranholm: well, you'll have to talk to the authors, I guess [09:24] <mrd`> bob2: I have another machine I can login to and still export a display successfully on. [09:25] <dr_willis> Thunderguy, check the cups.org site to see how well supported it is [09:25] <mrd`> bob2: (Also hoary.) [09:25] <bob2> ricosuave17: you could really improve your chances of being helped by not using "words" like "plz", and by asking coherent questions to the whole channel. [09:25] <rgranholm> bob2 well thats strange cause i try and search it up on google and it seems everyone else has it working but i assume thats cause they know how linux works but if you guys dont know what a .lexe is then i have no clue whats going on [09:25] <bob2> mrd`: is xauth in your $PATH on both machines? [09:25] <mrd`> bob2: Yes. [09:25] <ricosuave17> ok well robotgeek did u get it> [09:25] <bob2> mrd`: nothing obvious if you crank it up to -vvv? [09:25] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: #kde perhaps? [09:26] <mrd`> bob2: Nope, it displays the exact same messages for both regarding requesting X11 forwarding. [09:26] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: get what? [09:26] <bob2> mrd`: hrm, dunno then, sorry [09:26] <Loki> Question again [09:26] <mrd`> bob2: :/ Thanks anyways. [09:26] <Loki> my friend is saying his hard drive is mounted to /target [09:26] <Loki> he is wondering how he gets over to that [09:26] <rgranholm> thor: ok well i am not exactly sure what you mean by that, i am computer savvy and learning linux and its distrubutions, but i believe knoppiz uses kde and i tried it on there too...explain a little more about what you mean by kde though?? [09:26] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: I'm assuming the Ks imply it's a KDE app ... [09:27] <bob2> Loki: what is your "friend" trying to do? [09:27] <dr_willis> cd /target [09:27] <dr_willis> then the stuff is there :P [09:27] <Loki> Get ubuntu to work LOL [09:27] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: KDE is a desktop environment like gnome [09:27] <mebaran151> what is a good non panicing distro for AMD64 [09:27] <robotgeek> bob2: they are attempting to install ubuntu on an external usb hdd [09:27] <mebaran151> other than gentoo, which ate WAY too much of my time [09:27] <bob2> Loki: and in what way does the installer not work? [09:27] <rgranholm> thor: i dont think so because the program was first designed for windows, having nothing to do with KDE, right ok, i thought so [09:27] <bob2> lordy [09:27] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: ah I see [09:28] <Loki> We can get everythign set up but the boot loader won't boot linux it will boot winblows just fine [09:28] <Thunderguy> auctually I remember something now, I just installed the .tgz file for Redhat onto Ubuntu it seemed to install ok with Alien, but I have no clue how to access the driver after that. [09:28] <bob2> mebaran151: if hoary gives you panics, even with noapic, nolapic and/or acpi=off, please file a bug [09:28] <robotgeek> Loki: did u check the boot from usb in this bios?? [09:28] <Loki> he didn't say lemme ask him 1 sec [09:28] <ricosuave17> robotgeek: im gonna re upload ur pic showing u what i mean [09:28] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: well as bob2 says, you need to get info from the authors or a forum for the app [09:29] <cafuego> wtf! Something just spun down and turned off. But WHAT?? [09:29] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: what do you need from my screenshot? [09:29] <aru> you would think with as much as people express their hate for Windows, they would know how to spell it [09:29] <robotgeek> lol [09:29] <rgranholm> thor: think you can download the program real quick and give it a test run, maybe there is something simple ia m not doing...hmm yeah i cant find a forum on them but i will try [09:29] <Loki> Hah I know how to spell "windows" I just have a dislike for them. [09:29] <vinux> FreeBSD sucks [09:29] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: I'm on dialup here :) [09:29] <mebaran151> bob2: it panics saying that the initrd isnt big enough [09:30] <aru> vinux: offtopic [09:30] <mebaran151> it tries to access outside the space alotted [09:30] <vinux> aru, yea sorry but will deserved statement :) [09:30] <mebaran151> vinux: it seems ok [09:30] <robotgeek> "no bsd is dead" in #ubuntu [09:30] <rgranholm> thor:bummer [09:30] <bob2> mebaran151: when using hoary? [09:30] <aru> vinux: go to college and study English [09:30] <mebaran151> matters [09:30] <cafuego> Is there an Ubuntu Hurd yet? [09:30] <mrd`> No. [09:30] <mebaran151> Hoary randomly locks up [09:30] <Loki> hey bob2 can i get ya to come over to #flood in a minute [09:30] <knowledge_> ok, since I ran out of ideas...would a restart solve me " Depends: libxft2 (=2.1.2-6ubuntu1) but 2.1.7-1 is to be installed [09:30] <knowledge_> Depends: libfontconfig1-dev but it is not going to be installed" problem? [09:30] <Loki> nvm [09:30] <mebaran151> while it installs [09:31] <mebaran151> I got it on [09:31] <keikoz> cafuego : i doubt [09:31] <bob2> cafuego: someone actually wants to do it [09:31] <Loki> this is how he has his bios set up... [09:31] <mebaran151> and it ant assign a device to my soundcard [09:31] <keikoz> ah [09:31] <bob2> knowledge_: reinstall, I already told you [09:31] <cafuego> bob2: arrrgh [09:31] <keikoz> :o) [09:31] <mebaran151> it just refuses too [09:31] <Loki> USB Storage Device [09:31] <Loki> Internal HDD [09:31] <Loki> CD/DVD/CD-RW Drive [09:31] <Loki> Cardbus NIC [09:31] <Loki> Onboard NIC [09:31] <mebaran151> I know it aint my hardware [09:31] <bob2> knowledge_: you screwed it up by using non-ubuntu apt sources [09:31] <mebaran151> it took 5 days of gentoo compiling in stried [09:31] <robotgeek> Loki: paste to #flood [09:31] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: sounds like you are just making some simple error trying to install the thing - but since no-one here has ever heard of it, you're out of luck it seems [09:31] <knowledge_> bob2, I'm looking for a way around that....I want to use that as my last resort [09:31] <ricosuave17> robotgeek: http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktop0kc13bm.png [09:31] <rgranholm> tho: i suppose so....frustrating [09:31] <bob2> knowledge_: use apt-show-versions to remove all the non-ubuntu packages you installed [09:32] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: perhaps there's another program with similar functionality? [09:32] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: what do u need from my desktop? [09:32] <vinux> aru, so are you not smart enough to understand me? [09:32] <knowledge_> bob2, same as reinstalling [09:32] <Loki> done robotgeek [09:32] <ricosuave17> looky at the pic [09:32] <_icebreaker_> how can i test if graphic hardware acceleration is enabled [09:32] <keikoz> run tuxracer :o) [09:32] <keikoz> or enemy territory [09:32] <_icebreaker_> ;( [09:33] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: okay? but what abt the arrow? i don't get it...can u just explain it to me? [09:33] <bob2> knowledge_: no, it's not [09:33] <bob2> knowledge_: and it's what you actually have to do [09:33] <ricosuave17> ok ill try [09:33] <rgranholm> thor: not really, its incredible, you should check it out, I log into my local computer at home in NY i am in PA and control the desktop with its very own GUI, in live time, works great among a million other uses, with barely any setup [09:33] <bob2> in future, just don't break apt to begin with [09:33] <robotgeek> Loki: does it work? [09:33] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: bash: ./KDXClient.lexe: Permission denied << have you made it executable? [09:33] <yahalom> hey guys i need help. i'm on dsl now cos my ubuntu cant connect to the net properly. i can ping google and yahoo. i get valid dns entries. i cant update or surf the web or use irssi. weird thing is when i do apt-get update it tries to connect to 1.0.0.0 and irssi also. any ideas? thanx. [09:33] <ricosuave17> like how do u make it so that the windows that appear down there pile up one on top of each other instead of side by side like they normally r [09:34] <Loki> what work? [09:34] <Loki> lol sorry am a bit tired. [09:34] <Loki> ubuntu? no [09:34] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: sudo chmod +x KDXClient.lexe << try that [09:34] <robotgeek> Loki: i understand...maybe some coffee would help! [09:34] <Loki> lol [09:34] <Loki> pepsi :P [09:34] <Dr_Melectaus> does anyone know how to get shared network files to appear on a windows machine ? i have it working the other way around, but want some of my ubuntu file to appear as well [09:35] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: i just have one window per desktop, so i don't really do anything [09:35] <arpan> hi, i am running Ubuntu on my PC and my friend is doing the same on his laptop. He has d'loaded loads of repositories on his laptop, and I wanted to copy his repositories on to my Ubuntu [09:35] <arpan> is it possible? [09:35] <vinux> aru, yea very few people know english well. It's funny, the ones who do seem alittle out of place lol. You know using big words and all that nobody understands haha [09:35] <esac_> currently just setup dircproxy [09:35] <ricosuave17> then what r the arrows for? [09:35] <yahalom> anybody? [09:35] <Dr_Melectaus> ive been in system>admin>shared folders [09:35] <arpan> I hope it is clear what I want to do [09:35] <robotgeek> arpan: apt-zip & apt-move [09:35] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: also if that doesn't help google freenx and nxclient [09:35] <esac_> Dr_Melectaus: Samba [09:35] <Loki> But what he needs to know is how to get over to /target where his hard drive is mounted [09:36] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: and nomachine NX [09:36] <arpan> robotgeek, can u please elaborate what u r saying? [09:36] <Dr_Melectaus> esac_, care to explain a little bit more please :) [09:36] <yahalom> thoreauputic, any idea what this 1.0.0.0 is? [09:36] <Dr_Melectaus> esac_, i have samba installed [09:36] <arpan> i am kinda nwe to ubuntu [09:36] <Dr_Melectaus> but how do i get the files to appear on the dows machine [09:36] <rgranholm> thor: well it didnt give me an error but it didnt do anything and what are those programs you suggested? [09:36] <thoreauputic> yahalom: I haven't been following , sorry [09:36] <ricosuave17> well it would be nice to be able to pile the windows up that way [09:36] <robotgeek> arpan: as far as i know, those two program have that functionality...u might have to read the man page. [09:36] <yahalom> hey guys i need help. i'm on dsl now cos my ubuntu cant connect to the net properly. i can ping google and yahoo. i get valid dns entries. i cant update or surf the web or use irssi. weird thing is when i do apt-get update it tries to connect to 1.0.0.0 and irssi also. any ideas? thanx. [09:36] <JayParadise> how can i make cron run a script every 9999 seconds? [09:37] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: if it gave no error, try running it again [09:37] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: i dont pile up windows! [09:37] <esac_> Dr_Melectaus: im using kubuntu, in KDE control center there is samba configuration for how to share files with windows machines, hardcore way is to edit /etc/samba/smb.conf [09:37] <JayParadise> 99999* [09:37] <JayParadise> \ [09:37] <yahalom> thoreauptic see above plz [09:37] <ricosuave17> well i do like at the status bar level [09:37] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: that should have made it executable [09:37] <rgranholm> woah! got it [09:37] <knowledge_> bob2, libfontconfig1 is my problem (I think) and when I'm trying to remove that, it's trying to remove at least 100 other packages, including gnome [09:37] <bob2> knowledge_: of course, you can't just remove it [09:37] <Loki> hey bob2 [09:37] <bob2> knowledge_: you need to install the proper version [09:37] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: running? [09:37] <bob2> knowledge_: sudo apt-get install libfontconfig1=1.2.3ubuntu1 [09:38] <rgranholm> thor: i dont know if it was that command or what...but i just dragged the .lexe file INTO the terminal, hit return and it launched...beautiful! [09:38] <psychonate> Loki, are you the Loki of SN? [09:38] <bob2> hi Loki [09:38] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: it was that command, yes [09:38] <necrogami> !find wxpython [09:38] <ubotu> wxpython2.5.3: (wxWidgets Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (wxPython common files)), section universe/python, is optional. Version: 2.5.3.2ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 152 kB [09:38] <Loki> how do i get over to the hard drive that is mounted in /target? [09:38] <necrogami> gah i need 2.6 [09:38] <rgranholm> thor: awesome, what did that command do? [09:38] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: to run a script you make it executable with chmod +x [09:38] <zenrox> Loki, in a terminal cd /target [09:39] <bob2> Loki: "get over to" is highly unclear [09:39] <zenrox> or put /target in to open location in nautilus [09:39] <Loki> Ah my apologies [09:39] <Iceman-AMD64> Boy worries me, shrinking the partition to install ubuntu ... ? any advice ... [09:39] <robotgeek> Loki: there are a lot more ppl now, explain ur problem!! in detail! [09:39] <bob2> Iceman-AMD64: do you have backups? [09:39] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: this is one reason it's hard to make viruse etc for linux - they won't "just run" [09:39] <Loki> Will do [09:39] <zenrox> bob2, ill guess at the unclear ones [09:39] <rgranholm> thor: weird how its a script, is there anyway i can add it to the launcher panel now, or do i have to type it everytime? [09:40] <Iceman-AMD64> bob2 clean install ... so not a worry ... just would have to spend the time to reinstall Windows xp 64 bit ... [09:40] <bob2> yes, we can all guess at what Loki means, but that doesn't really solve the problem [09:40] <Iceman-AMD64> looking at installing UBUNTU 64 [09:40] <rgranholm> thor: yeah, thats awesome, built in security...same goes for unix on mac [09:40] <zenrox> true [09:40] <Loki> lol! [09:40] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: if the script runs the program, just make a launcher and type in the path to the script [09:40] <rgranholm> thor: how do i make a launcher? [09:41] <Iceman-AMD64> Is the UBUNTU installer fairly streight foward on the partitioning [09:41] <bob2> Iceman-AMD64: yes [09:41] <Iceman-AMD64> bob2 ... back later .. lets see how it goes [09:41] <aru> Iceman-AMD64: you have much linux experience? [09:41] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: *grin* try right-click on panel, add custom launcher or similar [09:41] <Iceman-AMD64> Have unstalled it at least 10 times on its own harddrive ... [09:42] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: I'm using a different window manager so that's from memory [09:42] <Iceman-AMD64> so this is my first duel boot install in several years [09:42] <knowledge_> bob2, so i just have to find out what the exact version is that I need correct? [09:42] <rgranholm> thor: nice, that was basic...i am still learning this GUI, and obviously the unix/linux commands in general [09:43] <aru> Iceman-AMD64: then you shouldn't have a problem, maybe for someone straight out of windows 98 it might be difficult [09:43] <robotgeek> would anyone know if a firewire to usb convertor is independant of the OS , and would it work in linux? [09:43] <epitron> hrm.. if i build and install a program myself, is there a way to make an empty placeholder package so that dependencies can be satisfied? [09:43] <aru> Iceman-AMD64: if anything just quit before writing the table :) [09:43] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: BTW - if you want me to notice your posts type thore <tab> to complete my nick [09:43] <epitron> or do i have to build it then make it into a .deb? [09:43] <Iceman-AMD64> robotgeek ... what boot manager should i use ./ [09:43] <rgranholm> thoreauputic, example [09:43] <rgranholm> thoreauputic, that work? [09:43] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: like that [09:43] <thoreauputic> yup [09:43] <rgranholm> thoreauputic, very cool [09:43] <gm78> I hate samba :-P [09:43] <robotgeek> grub? [09:43] <bob2> knowledge_: that's a start [09:44] <thoreauputic> same as bash in a terminal [09:44] <robotgeek> i dunno, i've only used yaboot! [09:44] <Iceman-AMD64> ok ... back in latter ... hopefule in linux [09:44] <Iceman-AMD64> thanks [09:44] <aru> thoreauputic: thanks for saying that, I was about to ask if he had a tab key :) [09:44] <aru> thoreauputic: I kept scrolling up to see who thor was [09:44] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: you can tab in the terminal as well for completion [09:44] <rgranholm> i'm a newb, i admit it [09:44] <rgranholm> thoreauputic, yeah i knew about that [09:44] <robotgeek> even in xchat :) [09:44] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: http://tuxfiles.org [09:45] <knowledge_> when I try to do "apt-get install libfontconfig1" it says newest is already installed...is there anyway to force it? [09:45] <rgranholm> thoreauputic, whats that? man this dinky old machine running this GUI is almost faster at doing simple tasks then my g5 imac [09:46] <aru> :) [09:46] <robotgeek> rgranholm: welcome to linux! [09:46] <psychonate> I wish tab would work when looking up man pages though :( [09:46] <Loki> Okay seeing as how he is going to reinstall ubuntu in expert mode. What is the fastest way to do that? Also i don't think i mentioned he has a Pentium M and if there is a different distro for that or not. But any help would be appreciated once again [09:46] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: the tuxfiles URL is a good starting point for learning basic commands etc [09:46] <psychonate> you can't use tab to complete the name in 'man whatever' [09:46] <robotgeek> psychonate: what do u mean? [09:47] <robotgeek> psychonate: oh okay... [09:47] <thoreauputic> psychonate: you can if you enable completion in /etc/bash.bashrc [09:47] <robotgeek> Loki: did u already not install ubuntu on that external drive? [09:47] <psychonate> for instance, 'man xscreens'; tab won't complete "xscreensaver" [09:47] <rgranholm> thoreauputic, gotcha, thanks...alright now ia m gonna see if the KDX server will work with the same command, what was it again? [09:47] <robotgeek> psychonate: i have my tabs case insensistive...very helpful! [09:48] <psychonate> thoreauputic, are you sure? I already have tab completion. It just doesn't work in that case. [09:48] <Loki> We did but trying again [09:48] <aru> I'm a jackass, I never new tab did anything in the console [09:48] <psychonate> I've always wondered why they did set that up [09:48] <mrd`> bob2: Just in case you're interested, I rebooted the server that I couldn't get tunnel X11 from... and now it suddenly works. (Especially odd since I'd restarted the networking and ssh scripts each several times to no avail.) [09:48] <psychonate> s/did/didn't [09:48] <thoreauputic> psychonate: it will if you look at that file and enable it there - man xscreen <tab> works here [09:48] <robotgeek> Loki: alrite, cool...have fun...and "and may the source be with you" [09:49] <psychonate> thoreauputic, ah, I see. How is enabled by default then? [09:49] <Loki> thanks guys =-) enjoy your night. [09:49] <robotgeek> thoreauputic: doesn't work for me, lemme vi my .bashrc open! [09:49] <psychonate> thoreauputic, I mean, how, otherwise, do I have it enabled? [09:49] <bob2> mrd`: very odd [09:49] <thoreauputic> psychonate: in /etc/bash.bashrc uncomment the block under # enable bash completion in interactive shells [09:50] <psychonate> yeah, I gotcha [09:50] <mrd`> bob2: Indeed... but, anyways it's working now... thanks for at least reassuring me earlier that I wasn't insane and missing something obvious. :) [09:50] <thoreauputic> psychonate: of course it will only work with a new login or if you source it directly [09:50] <psychonate> I was just curious as to how it can/is enabled apart from that. [09:51] <psychonate> thoreauputic, anyway, it works well now. Thanks :) [09:51] <robotgeek> thoreauputic: it works well, thanks [09:52] <thoreauputic> psychonate: :) you're welcome [09:52] <thoreauputic> works with sudo as well, you'll find [09:52] <psychonate> ah, excellent [09:52] <robotgeek> thoreauputic: while i was at it, also enabled color prompt [09:52] <psychonate> I wish it had been enabled that way by default, but at least this way I learned something I guess :) [09:53] <AMCDeathKnight> How can i refresh the desktop? as it has frozen [09:53] <thoreauputic> robotgeek: I like plain black and white ;) [09:53] <zenrox> AMCDeathKnight, alt + ctrl +backspace [09:53] <learn25> is kylix compatible with ubuntu? [09:53] <robotgeek> thoreauputic: no harm in trying out colors, though i found the man autocomplete a bit slow, and distracting! [09:53] <zenrox> that was quick [09:53] <bob2> er [09:53] <bob2> that's a pretty bad solution [09:54] <bob2> "pkill nautilus" is far less destructive [09:54] <robotgeek> lol [09:54] <thoreauputic> robotgeek: yes, it isn't always instant [09:54] <ricosuave17> pkill sound funny [09:54] <psychonate> I was just happy to see that it works [09:54] <psychonate> That had sort of bugged me for a while. [09:54] <AMCDeathKnight> wtf [09:54] <rgranholm> thoreauputic, do i have to type chmod +x everytime now or only once? [09:54] <robotgeek> lol, AMCDeathKnight [09:54] <AMCDeathKnight> omg [09:54] <AMCDeathKnight> my computer is stuffed [09:55] <AMCDeathKnight> nothing will load anymore [09:55] <AMCDeathKnight> and i lost my download [09:55] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: you don't have to do it again - it's executable now [09:55] <bob2> try to use commas and full stops as punctuation, rather than new lines [09:55] <Dr_Melectaus> does anyone know how to get shared network files to appear on a windows machine ? i have it working the other way around, but want some of my ubuntu files to appear as well. i have samba installed on the ubuntu machine. And on the dows machine im at the Add Network place wizard on the "internet or network address" page. Ive put in \\192.168.0.151\home but its not haveing any luck, and ive also tried every other shared folder ive got [09:55] <aru> bob2: :) [09:55] <robotgeek> Computer__Guru: hi [09:55] <rgranholm> thoreauputic, even if i restart? [09:55] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: chmod changes the mode or permissions [09:55] <Computer__Guru> Hai! [09:55] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: even after that yes [09:55] <AMCDeathKnight> what did that do? delete everything? [09:56] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: the change is permanent [09:56] <Dr_Melectaus> i also tried the windows shareing options in the shared folders menu, with the wins server settings. but nothing made a difference [09:56] <robotgeek> AMCDeathKnight: that restarted your Xserver [09:56] <AMCDeathKnight> i lost all my files! [09:59] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: man chmod ;) [09:59] <bob2> if you lost files, your disk is screwed [09:59] <AMCDeathKnight> i cant even right click my desktop anymore [09:59] <AMCDeathKnight> or open home folder [09:59] <psychonate> alright, time to watch Gwar Live from Antarctica and got to sleep [09:59] <Hoani> Hello [09:59] <knowledge_> I really think I'm screwed [09:59] <knowledge_> and I never thought I would say that [09:59] <Dr_Melectaus> please someone? [09:59] <bob2> asking once is plenty [10:00] <_icebreaker_> someone tried to run wow with winex/cedega? [10:00] <knowledge_> Computer__Guru, may I msg you for a question? [10:00] <rgranholm> thoreauputic, thanks for all your help...take it easy [10:01] <vinux> oh nooo bob2 left! What will we do now? He seems like he knows everything. Really it seems like he does [10:01] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: you're welcome - enjoy :) [10:01] <robotgeek> vinux: he pretty much does! [10:01] <knowledge_> vinux, believe me...there are a lot of people in here taht know what to say [10:02] <vinux> knowledge_, yes i'm sure some people have alot of knowledge_ [10:02] <knowledge_> true [10:02] <aru> vinux: are you having a bad day? [10:02] <vinux> hehe [10:02] <knowledge_> I sure as hell am [10:03] <knowledge_> I think I'm going to have to reinstall because of one package [10:03] <aru> neat [10:03] <knowledge_> oh yeah [10:03] <esac_> isnt 255.255.255.0 a 24 bit netmask ? [10:03] <Madpilot> knowledge_: that seems like overkill... [10:03] <vinux> knowledge_, wow what's up? [10:03] <knowledge_> that's what bob2 was saying [10:03] <ricosuave17> YAY overkill [10:03] <gm78> Could someone please help me with Samba? I am setting up a CentOS server which is going to have a Ubuntu desktop, a Windows 2000 desktop and a Windows XP Desktop connect to it. Here is my /etc/samba/smbpasswd file http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/835 Here is my /etc/samba/smbusers file http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/836 And here is my /etc/samba/smb.conf file http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/837 Whenever I try to connect to the server from either W [10:04] <gm78> indows or Ubuntu, it asks for a user name and password. When I enter in the proper information, it asks for it again, not allowing me to connect. Can anyone here see a problem with these files, i looked and i cannot [10:04] <aru> !samba [10:04] <ubotu> rumour has it, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba [10:04] <aru> WOOT! [10:04] <ricosuave17> what is samba [10:04] <aru> ricosuave17: check that link [10:04] <knowledge_> hhmmmm [10:04] <ricosuave17> i like smaba [10:04] <knowledge_> let's tryyy [10:04] <aru> gm78: you too [10:04] <gm78> ubotu, would help if the instructions actually worked [10:04] <aru> and also [10:04] <ubotu> gm78: I give up, what is it? [10:04] <knowledge_> !libfontconfig [10:04] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, knowledge_ [10:04] <knowledge_> damn [10:05] <knowledge_> !fontconfig [10:05] <knowledge_> ? [10:05] <ubotu> I don't know, knowledge_ [10:05] <knowledge_> of course not [10:05] <ricosuave17> hey ubotu [10:05] <gm78> aru, yeah, i really do hate samba right now...bloody thing wont work at all [10:05] <Madpilot> knowledge_: what are you looking for? [10:05] <aru> what is you problem package? [10:06] <ricosuave17> hey ubotu r u ok [10:06] <Madpilot> ubotu good bot [10:06] <ubotu> :) [10:06] <aru> knowledge_ that is [10:06] <ricosuave17> ubotu: talk to me damn it [10:06] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, ricosuave17 [10:06] <ricosuave17> ubotu: i love you bot [10:06] <ubotu> ricosuave17: I give up, what is it? [10:06] <knowledge_> Madpilot, I'm trying to figure out how to revert to the original fontconfig and libfontconfig that came with ubuntu originally [10:06] <aru> ricosuave17: careful [10:06] <gm78> I followed all of the instructions, am using the same options as on a Ubuntu server serving the exact same services, and the stupid thing won't work [10:06] <aru> why did you change it? :) [10:06] <knowledge_> didn't even know I did araw1 [10:06] <ricosuave17> am i abusing the bot? [10:06] <gm78> aru, second server....i want this one to have a longer lifespan than 18 months [10:06] <knowledge_> aru, ** [10:06] <ricosuave17> ubotu: lets run away together [10:06] <ubotu> ricosuave17: Bugger all, i dunno [10:06] <Madpilot> knowledge_: ah - and of course Linux is design to helpfully save your config/conf files when you change things - ouch... [10:07] <DekaPink> Huh... [10:07] <ZincX> which one is the best mp3 player [10:07] <ZincX> ? [10:07] <aru> ZincX: beep [10:07] <Madpilot> ZincX: totem - or Muine, for albums [10:07] <knowledge_> Madpilot, is that a good thing? [10:07] <ZincX> Maddy, my totem doesnt play mp3 [10:08] <Madpilot> knowledge_: normally it would be, but if something breaks it seems like it's hard to get the defaults back... [10:08] <aru> !mp3 [10:08] <ubotu> [mp3] read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support [10:08] <knowledge_> I see [10:08] <ZincX> Madpilot, my totem doesnt play mp3 [10:08] <aru> ZincX: check that out [10:08] <gm78> ZincX, install gstreamer0.8-mad [10:08] <gm78> ZincX, this will allow rhythmbox and totem to play mp3's [10:08] <knowledge_> yeah, because when I'm trying to remove the package that's installed now...it wants to remove EVERY other package too [10:08] <aru> knowledge_: you didn't tell me why you changed those :) [10:08] <ZincX> gm78, oiks.. [10:09] <aru> ZincX: if you check the link ubotu pasted you wont have to come back and ask for dvd support tomorrow :) [10:09] <ricosuave17> ubotu: lets run away together [10:09] <ubotu> ricosuave17: Are you smoking crack? [10:10] <knowledge_> aru, I didn't even know I changed them...I just did what ubuntuguide told me (I know I know)....for the repositories...and well...I'm kicking myself now [10:10] <drayen> Feeling a little dumb this morning - trying to get firefox to work with my jdk, but cant find the javaplugin_oji.so??? [10:10] <ricosuave17> ubotu: yes r u [10:10] <ubotu> ricosuave17: Wish i knew [10:10] <aru> and then on monday when the Al Franken show is streamed in Real Audio, you won't have to scramble to get that working either :) [10:10] <ricosuave17> ubotu: lol [10:10] <ubotu> ricosuave17: Are you smoking crack? [10:10] <nooorm> bonsoir [10:10] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: stop please [10:10] <Madpilot> ricosuave17: you can abuse the bot in /msg if you really must... [10:10] <aru> ricosuave17: you better be careful [10:11] <nooorm> je suis saoul et je me cherche une fille [10:11] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: next time we'll call ops - OK ? [10:11] <aru> nooorm: english? [10:11] <Madpilot> !fr [10:11] <nooorm> sure [10:11] <ubotu> fr is probably http://fr.ubuntuguide.org/ "Merci" to fr.ubuntuguide.org ; join #ubuntu-es or #kubuntu-es [10:11] <aru> or that [10:11] <aru> :) [10:11] <ricosuave17> why cant i enjoy my friend the boy [10:11] <ricosuave17> why cant i enjoy my friend the bot [10:11] <Madpilot> nooorm: see ubutu's line for info in french [10:11] <nooorm> i won't play around tonite, I want women [10:11] <persia> Anybody feel like troubleshooting jack with polypaudio today? [10:11] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: /msg ubotu sillystuff [10:11] <aru> oh awesome [10:11] <rkinder> persia: sounds like jack needs to see a doctor... [10:11] <viyyer> hi I am setting up dialup internet connection on warty machine [10:11] <nooorm> come and get m e [10:13] <knowledge_> aru, any ideas? [10:13] <nooorm> I want women now [10:13] <aru> knowledge_: reinstall :) [10:13] <gm78> You know....if Windows Services for Unix didn't suck so much and never work...i would consider switching to NFS [10:13] <knowledge_> aru, you too huh? [10:13] <viyyer> I'm using pppdconfig [10:13] <aru> OH! [10:13] <AMCDeathKnight> what would you say is the difference between ubuntu and debian? [10:13] <nooorm> I don't fell like playing around, I want women tonite [10:13] <aru> and as for that guide... don't bother with it next time :) [10:13] <rkinder> nooorm: probably the wrong channel to pick up women... [10:13] <knowledge_> aru, figured that out all on my own [10:13] <nooorm> please bear with me rkinder [10:13] <aru> :) [10:13] <viyyer> even though pppd gets started . ppp0 interface is not up [10:13] <Madpilot> !uguide [10:13] <ubotu> Madpilot: I don't know, could you explain it? [10:13] <Madpilot> !ubuntuguide [10:13] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is, like, a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why. [10:13] <aru> knowledge_: you'll be an expert at installing soon :) [10:13] <knowledge_> aru, I masterd that with Mandrake [10:13] <nooorm> Hi ru [10:13] <nooorm> Hi Aru [10:13] <aru> nope [10:14] <aru> don't even start with me [10:14] <knowledge_> lol [10:14] <nooorm> ok ... [10:14] <aru> I'm off to bed and you are not invited [10:14] <nooorm> no problem [10:14] <nooorm> I'll get elsewhere [10:14] <Iceman_AMD64> Humm, no sound in linux [10:15] <persia> Iceman_AMD64: What card / what program? [10:15] <Iceman_AMD64> opps, prejudged, need to config it ... [10:16] <Iceman_AMD64> Now to install KDE [10:16] <Iceman_AMD64> whats the package name for K-Desktop [10:16] <Xyc0> Does anyone else here find that Nautilus' moving of the file browser gets annoying as hell? [10:17] <Xyc0> pretty sure its kde [10:17] <Iceman_AMD64> kdesktop, anything else needed [10:17] <thoreauputic> Iceman_AMD64: kubuntu-desktop [10:17] <AndieB> How do I install Java? I find a some Java and Java2 Common packages, but I only get an error message when trying i the Program meny go to Settings and Javacontrolpanel cannot be fount?? (I'm a newbie) [10:21] <Iceman_AMD64> kdesktop... installes KDE ... [10:21] <thoreauputic> !java [10:21] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added. [10:21] <Iceman_AMD64> What the session manager ... o will it automatic install [10:21] <ricosuave17> ubotu: opme [10:21] <ubotu> Wish i knew, ricosuave17 [10:21] <ricosuave17> ubotu: !opme [10:21] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, ricosuave17 [10:21] <hepi> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii [10:21] <ricosuave17> !opme [10:21] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: last warning [10:21] <hepi> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttttttttttttiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii [10:21] <vinux> hhhhheeelllllllllooooo [10:21] <Iceman_AMD64> brb i hope in kde ... [10:21] <hepi> jhjuyu [10:21] <Xyc0> How do you get Nautilus to stop moving the browser window all over the screen? [10:21] <Madpilot> ricosuave17: "/msg ubotu <whatever> if you *have* to keep poking the bot... [10:21] <knowledge_> libfontconfig1-dev: [10:21] <knowledge_> Depends: libfontconfig1 (=2.2.3-4ubuntu7) but 2.3.2-1 is to be installed [10:21] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: don't /msg me [10:21] <knowledge_> can some one decypher that? [10:21] <hepi> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii [10:21] <ricosuave17> then how do i talk to u? [10:21] <stjepan> heya [10:21] <stjepan> I have a problem [10:21] <ricosuave17> i do 2 [10:21] <stjepan> I can't install Ubuntu 5.04 [10:21] <Xyc0> talk right here [10:21] <Xyc0> no? [10:21] <ricosuave17> ye [10:21] <knowledge_> stjepan, what's the problem [10:21] <stjepan> there appears error at installing base [10:21] <vinux> knowledge_, it means you are in trouble! [10:21] <Xyc0> where did you get your CD? [10:21] <knowledge_> vinux, I've established that [10:21] <stjepan> it says I have to burn cd at lower speed [10:21] <Xyc0> ? thats odd [10:21] <knowledge_> stjepan, I had the same problems....I just ordered the free cd's and it installed just fine [10:21] <stjepan> CD worked 15 days [10:21] <vinux> knowledge_, oh sorry I didn't know "giggles" :) [10:21] <Xyc0> what speed are the disks? [10:21] <stjepan> I mean [10:21] <stjepan> CD worked about 15 days [10:21] <stjepan> but now it won't [10:21] <stjepan> :( [10:21] <Xyc0> knowledge_: they havnt been shipping lately [10:21] <Xyc0> Is it a live cd? [10:21] <knowledge_> really? [10:21] <stjepan> no [10:21] <knowledge_> I had 5 sent to me [10:21] <stjepan> Install CD [10:21] <Xyc0> knowledge_: I ordered more cause I gave away all mine, its been a month since then [10:21] <vinux> knowledge_, I had ten and I handed out 3 [10:21] <Xyc0> knowledge_: I think they are waiting for breezy [10:21] <vinux> so far [10:21] <knowledge_> Xyc0, yeah, it took me a while [10:21] <stjepan> maybe damaged CD??????? [10:22] <Xyc0> I go to lan parties an preach [10:22] <Iceman_AMD64> ok, how to set up the session manager to get kde working .. [10:22] <Xyc0> stjepan: what speed are your CD-Rs? [10:22] <knowledge_> this damn problem is killing me [10:22] <stjepan> Xyc0: It is not problem with speed [10:23] <Xyc0> Iceman_AMD64: System > Admin > Login [10:23] <knowledge_> I refuse to believe that reinstalling is my only solution [10:23] <stjepan> because CD worked half a month ago [10:23] <Iceman_AMD64> xyc0 no option for kde ... and i did aptitude inatall kdesktop [10:23] <stjepan> and I have installed Ubuntu few times with exactly that CD [10:23] <thoreauputic> Iceman_AMD64: aptitude install kubuntu-desktop [10:23] <vinux> knowledge_, well belief doesn't solve all problems :) [10:23] <stjepan> but now I can't [10:23] <Katrus> Eve, all. [10:23] <Iceman_AMD64> t y [10:24] <thoreauputic> Iceman_AMD64: as I told you a while ago... [10:24] <knowledge_> vinux, yeah, neither does google....or anything else I've tried [10:24] <Xyc0> Iceman_AMD64: Ive never tried to isntall KDE from ubuntu, i just know that is where you turn on the session mngr [10:24] <robotgeek> it's actually abt 3:00 am in the morning, and i am on my last beer! [10:24] <Iceman_AMD64> thought it used to be kdesktop ... [10:24] <yahalom> can nobody help me my internet connection issue? [10:24] <Xyc0> kubuntu [10:24] <Xyc0> the kubuntu packages install kds [10:24] <Xyc0> kde [10:24] <vinux> knowledge_, hmmm well I wish you luck. Take care i'm off to bed [10:24] <stjepan> oh [10:24] <knowledge_> later mann [10:24] <knowledge_> have a good night [10:24] <Iceman_AMD64> got to see ho well 64 bit linux wirks [10:24] <vinux> you too [10:26] <Xyc0> knowledge_: I missed your problem, wanna recap for me? [10:26] <stjepan> can I install KDE for Ubuntu from Kubuntu CD? [10:26] <Katrus> Stupid newb question here - just installed and upgraded kubuntu. Is there a package I can install to get it so recognize n' mount my ntfs partitions read only? [10:26] <tikka> tikka@smeg:~$ glxinfo | grep render [10:26] <tikka> Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". [10:26] <tikka> help :D [10:26] <Xyc0> Katrus: it is read only, but yes [10:26] <knowledge_> Xyc0, libfontconfig1-dev: Depends: libfontconfig1 (=2.2.3-4ubuntu7) but 2.3.2-1 is to be installed [10:26] <Iceman_AMD64> anyone have the link to the nvidia drivers install procedure [10:26] <Xyc0> tikka: ubuntu uses xorg?? [10:26] <Katrus> I only need read only. I just wanna be able to play the MP3s and watch the movies on that partition. [10:26] <ricosuave17> YES IT DOES [10:26] <Xyc0> knowledge_: are you trying to compile? [10:26] <ricosuave17> now STFU [10:26] <knowledge_> yeap [10:26] <robotgeek> Katrus: u don't really need a package [10:26] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: language [10:26] <Xyc0> knowledge_: what are you compiling, it could be a dep hell [10:26] <ricosuave17> i am sorry mr roboto [10:26] <exhu> a question about kernel patches: should I apply all patches (including 2.6.11.x ) to upgrade kernel from 2.6.1 to 2.6.13 [10:26] <knowledge_> Xyc0, it is [10:26] <Xyc0> exhu: why? [10:27] <vladuz976> are there any advantages using aptitude over apt-get [10:27] <Xyc0> knowledge_: then reinstalling wont do anything [10:27] <robotgeek> okay, mr ricosuave17 you are quite irritating. congrats...u've made my ignore list! [10:27] <Iceman_AMD64> Anyone know if their clustering linux on the AMD 64 yet ... [10:27] <knowledge_> Xyc0, that's the only package that's giving me problems...if I could install the older version, I would be good [10:27] <tikka> Xyc0 yes seems to :) [10:27] <poningru> ok what happend? [10:27] <Xyc0> vladuz976: if you arn't having problems with apt-get, stick with it [10:27] <poningru> robotgeek: what happedn? [10:27] <knowledge_> Xyc0, my problem started when I used the "ubuntuguide" [10:27] <besfred> where can i find the hoary-extras archive? [10:27] <Xyc0> nice [10:27] <vladuz976> Xyc0, i am just wondering what the differnce is [10:28] <Iceman_AMD64> brb .. see if kde is available [10:28] <Xyc0> besfred: open synaptic and edit repositories [10:28] <robotgeek> poningru: just find him a bit too irritating and pushy [10:28] <Katrus> Last time I used Linux, it was 1.2.13 kernel. Things have changed a tiny bit [10:28] <Xyc0> knowledge_: well, you can always replace your repo list with the one you backed up [10:28] <besfred> Xyc0: i know. i just need the url [10:28] <poningru> hehe [10:28] <mebaran151> I got Hoary to go on [10:28] <Xyc0> besfred: its already on the list, you just have to activate it thru synaptic [10:28] <mebaran151> but I am having the same problem I did before [10:28] <besfred> a [10:29] <mebaran151> I can not get udev to make /dev/dsp [10:29] <mebaran151> and I KNOW I have all the right modules [10:29] <mebaran151> and that the ALSA modules with OSS are loaded [10:29] <knowledge_> Xyc0, yes, but the fontconfig package that's installed along with the libfontconfig package are not the ones that came with ubuntu...and that's what is killing everything for me [10:29] <Katrus> I shall futz with things. Later, all [10:30] <Razor-X> the power of Linux -- it aggravates my dad so much, he may just buy me my own laptop [10:30] <Xyc0> well, if you replace the repo list then add the official backports and activate all the repos, you can reinstall [10:30] <yang> hello [10:30] <Xyc0> knowledge_: [10:30] <Razor-X> now that's power for ya ;) [10:30] <robotgeek> Razor-X: hi [10:30] <Razor-X> robotgeek: hey [10:30] <mebaran151> argh, I hate ALSA problems [10:30] <mebaran151> they never resolve [10:30] <Xyc0> Razor-X: w00t thats what I did [10:30] <Razor-X> mebaran151: yeah [10:30] <robotgeek> mebaran151: me too! [10:30] <snivitz0> What is the proper terminal command to view ip information? [10:30] <Madpilot> Razor-X: laptop now? thought it was going to be a desktop? [10:30] <Razor-X> it's one of the sticking points of Linux in general [10:30] <yang> is there any Ubuntu Application CD, such that you don't have to download the package from the repository server? [10:31] <mebaran151> robotgeek: I got the craziest one this time [10:31] <mebaran151> the modules [10:31] <Razor-X> Madpilot: nopes, a laptop [10:31] <mebaran151> sthe correct modules [10:31] <robotgeek> half the ppl around me think i am stupid for having linux installed on a powerbook [10:31] <Razor-X> nothing special, but, better than having to live with my dad's rules [10:31] <mebaran151> the modules noted for their completeness in the ALSA docs [10:31] <besfred> hm. nothing there taking about hoary-extras. [10:31] <Iceman_AMD64> well... dang it ... no optionfor kde in the sessions list [10:31] <mebaran151> they load, but udev does not make /dev/dsp [10:31] <mebaran151> so I can not have sound [10:31] <mebaran151> it is a Via Envy 24PT [10:31] <mebaran151> a nice chip [10:31] <Xyc0> mebaran151: install libsdl1.2debian-all [10:31] <mebaran151> very nie for onboard snd [10:31] <robotgeek> mebaran151: crap!! i dunno anything abt that. [10:32] <mebaran151> Xyc0: I dont have /dev/dsp [10:32] <Xyc0> mebaran151: that might help [10:32] <mebaran151> I have modules [10:32] <Iceman_AMD64> how the heck to get kde to offer itself in the sessions lise [10:32] <mebaran151> but I dont /dev/dsp [10:32] <knowledge_> Xyc0, The following packages have unmet dependencies: [10:32] <knowledge_> libfontconfig1: Depends: fontconfig but it is not going to be installed [10:32] <knowledge_> E: Broken packages [10:32] <Iceman_AMD64> list [10:32] <mebaran151> Xyc0: how [10:32] <mebaran151> I can not get asic mixer support [10:32] <Xyc0> synaptic [10:33] <mebaran151> basic [10:33] <mebaran151> no [10:33] <mebaran151> I mean how can it help [10:33] <mebaran151> alsa refuses to load [10:33] <mebaran151> because amixer is passed /dev/dsp to attach to [10:33] <Iceman_AMD64> What do i need to do to get kde to come up in the sessions list ... [10:33] <Xyc0> mebaran151: maybe another driver will [10:33] <Iceman_AMD64> did aptitude install kubuntu-desktop [10:34] <Xyc0> mebaran151: im not a pro dev, i just know that helped some sound driver problems [10:34] <mebaran151> Xyc0: I've loaded every module in snd [10:34] <mebaran151> and gentoo uses the module fine [10:34] <Xyc0> libsdl1.2debian-all ? [10:34] <mebaran151> i will try it [10:34] <mebaran151> after I reinstall [10:34] <Razor-X> mebaran151: what about /dev/dsp? [10:34] <Xyc0> knowledge_: use synaptic to fix broken packages [10:35] <Xyc0> I think its funny, everyone who is helping originally joined the room to get help and found none he he [10:36] <tikka> Any suggestions guys? ati radeon, ive been following guides and the like and not getting anywhere. Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". [10:36] <robotgeek> Xyc0: it's saturday night/ or sunday morning [10:36] <Xyc0> How do you get nautilus to stop moving the file browser all over the screen every folder you open? [10:36] <knowledge_> Xyc0, yeah, that's why I think i'm just gonna go sleep...cause I'll get pissed and smash my computer in the floor... [10:36] <knowledge_> good night all.... [10:36] <Xyc0> tikka: Ubunt uses xorg, not XFree [10:36] <robotgeek> knowledge_: nite [10:37] <tikka> Xyc0, does that mean theres a different DRI package? [10:37] <Xyc0> What guide are you using? [10:37] <yahalom> hey guys. my video is always choppy. any ideas? rma is on. [10:37] <jbm_> Xyc0: use gconf-editor, set the key /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser [10:37] <Razor-X> Xyc0: you can use XFree, though [10:37] <Xyc0> yahalom: did you install vid card drivers? [10:38] <tikka> Xyc0, i have been through quite a few and done alot by ear. [10:38] <Razor-X> tikka: we don't use XFree86 by default [10:38] <Razor-X> and, X.Org is better as well [10:38] <robotgeek> Razor-X: i just use rox, when i have to..rarely [10:38] <exhu> Xyc0, oh are the x.y.Z,o contain all .o versions for x.y.Z-1 ? [10:38] <tikka> Razor-X, i ahve x-org.. so im confused here lol [10:38] <tikka> have [10:38] <Razor-X> my old machine only works with X-Vesa [10:38] <Razor-X> it's a 486 though [10:38] <tikka> my 486 was sexy [10:39] <tikka> red hat ran like crap on it though [10:39] <tikka> ;p [10:39] <Razor-X> my 486 is still strumming [10:39] <Xyc0> jbm_: hey thanks guy [10:39] <tikka> nice [10:39] <linlin> /home/linlin/Desktop/avidemux/avidemux-2.0.42/admin/missing: line 65: aclocal-1.8: command not found [10:39] <linlin> WARNING: `aclocal-1.8' is needed, and you do not seem to have it handy on your system [10:39] <tikka> what is it being used for [10:39] <Iceman_AMD64> well see it the synaptic package manager will install kde .. [10:39] <Razor-X> tikka: that's because RH isn't meant for a 486 [10:39] <linlin> what do i do?? :_X [10:39] <Xyc0> kubuntu? [10:39] <Razor-X> Iceman_AMD64: aptitude, synaptic, and apt-get use the same packages [10:39] <tikka> Razor-X: *shruggs* [10:39] <linlin> i checked synaptic for the package, its nowhere to be seen [10:40] <thoreauputic> !find aclocal-1.8 [10:40] <Iceman_AMD64> razor-x did aptitude install kubuntu-desktop ... but it would not offer kde in the sessions list ... [10:40] <robotgeek> though we should all use aptitude :) [10:40] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'aclocal-1.8' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/aclocal-1.8) in devel/automake1.8. [10:40] <Razor-X> Iceman_AMD64: can't you edit your gdm to add it? [10:40] <Razor-X> I mean, is that too hard people? XD [10:40] <yahalom> Xyc0, hey man its acting like its missing drivers. no idea where to get them. it has no agp. its built in video. [10:41] <Iceman_AMD64> ;-( newbie here [10:41] <Xyc0> tikka: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?highlight=%28binary%29 [10:41] <thoreauputic> linlin: sudo apt-get install automake1.8 build-essential [10:41] <Xyc0> yahalom: did you personally install drivers for your videocard? [10:42] <linlin> apt-getting' [10:42] <yahalom> Xyc0, nope. i thought that linux usually finds the right ones. [10:42] <Xyc0> yahalom: what videocard are you using? [10:42] <linlin> yay that fixed it :) [10:42] <yahalom> Xyc0, no idea [10:42] <Razor-X> try Applications->System Tools->GDM Configurator [10:42] <yahalom> Xyc0, its built in on the motherboard [10:42] <linlin> i had build-essential already, thought that was all i needed [10:42] <linlin> thanks aot [10:42] <thoreauputic> :) [10:43] <Iceman_AMD64> Dang AMD 64 is way faster than my p4 2.8 ghz ... and it only clocks at 1800 mhz [10:43] <Xyc0> yahalom: its usualy nice to know what hardware you are working with [10:43] <Razor-X> hmmm, if my laptop is an AMD 64, can I use 32 bit Ubuntu, with an amd-64 kernel? [10:44] <Razor-X> or do the ELF binaries have to be different? [10:44] <yahalom> Xyc0, i know. [10:44] <ricosuave17> i love u Razor-X [10:44] <Razor-X> ricosuave17: mmmmm? [10:44] <highvoltage> hi. I'm trying to boot a breezy ltsp-client machine, but get an error "NFS over TCP not available from 192.168.0.254" on the client. any idea what the cause of the problem can be? [10:44] <linlin> do you love me? [10:44] <Xyc0> Razor-X: lucky bitch, my desktop isnt even 64 bit [10:44] <ricosuave17> do u like HIM [10:44] <Xyc0> pardon my french [10:44] <Razor-X> Xyc0: hahahaha! [10:45] <Razor-X> so what? [10:45] <Razor-X> this thing has 32 MB GPU memory [10:45] <mebaran151> Razor-X: heheh [10:45] <Razor-X> 256 MB RAM [10:45] <thoreauputic> highvoltage: do you have an NFS server on the server ? [10:45] <Xyc0> tho my laptop is one step below 64 [10:45] <Razor-X> I've been living in the dark ages for so long, and now you people envy me? hah! [10:45] <Xyc0> hyperthreading [10:45] <highvoltage> thoreauputic: yes [10:45] <yahalom> Xyc0, Motherboard M863g v1.5 [10:45] <mebaran151> the kernel can process both elf's [10:45] <ricosuave17> i hate HT [10:45] <ricosuave17> die HT [10:45] <highvoltage> thoreauputic: and it's running [10:45] <mebaran151> both 32 bit and 64 bit [10:45] <thoreauputic> highvoltage: OK [10:45] <ricosuave17> ban plz [10:45] <Iceman_AMD64> Razor-x i'd guess you would need the full 64 bit ... not just the kernel ... [10:45] <mebaran151> the problem is 32 bit exec's need 32 bit libs and 32 bit objects to link against [10:45] <thoreauputic> highvoltage: portmap OK ? [10:45] <Razor-X> mebaran151: then what's the difference between amd64 Ubuntu, and amd32? [10:45] <yahalom> Xyc0, Embedded Real256E 3D Graphics with 64M share memory [10:45] <mebaran151> hence the need for a chroot [10:46] <highvoltage> thoreauputic: yep [10:46] <mebaran151> you have 64 bit binaries [10:46] <thoreauputic> hmm [10:46] <mebaran151> with 64 bit pointers [10:46] <Razor-X> *gasp* [10:46] <mebaran151> that use all 128 registers rather than 64 or whatever [10:46] <Razor-X> but, the kernel does most of the work [10:46] <Iceman_AMD64> big math difference in 32 and 64 bit ..... billions ... [10:46] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, im trying to force unmount a CD (install requires 3 CD's) and it says insert disc 2, so i ejected it by putting a bit of wire into the hole in my cd drive that manually opens it, but it still thinks the old CD is mounted, how do i make it kno the 2nd CD is in? [10:46] <Razor-X> Iceman_AMD64: I know my registers [10:46] <Razor-X> what are the extra registers, by the way? [10:46] <mebaran151> std registers [10:46] <Razor-X> the x86 has ax, bx, cx, dx, eax, ebx, ecx, and edx [10:46] <ricosuave17> were is my ban [10:47] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: oh dear :/ [10:47] <mebaran151> the AMD64 chip has twice as many registers in 32 bit as 64 bit [10:47] <Madpilot> ricosuave17: get a freaking life. please. [10:47] <highvoltage> ricosuave17: is that by the pixies? [10:47] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: the brute force approach is not advised [10:47] <mebaran151> Razor-X: these are internal not architectural [10:47] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, O dear indeed :-\ [10:47] <mebaran151> it allows it to have more intrathread parallism [10:47] <ricosuave17> i wish i want one tho maybe for my b-day [10:47] <mebaran151> and helps encoding and decoding [10:47] <Iceman_AMD64> Running Windows XP Pro 64 Bit Beta .... "FREE" and Ubuntu 64 .. now [10:47] <Dr_Melectaus> im trying sudo -f eject /dev/cdrom [10:47] <Razor-X> mebaran151: ahhh, I see [10:47] <Dr_Melectaus> but even that isnt working thor [10:47] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: try sudo umount -l /dev/cdrom (no guarantees) [10:48] <mebaran151> Razor-X: 64 bit encoding is about twie as fast [10:48] <Razor-X> mebaran151: but it brings a hellish load of problems to the ballgame [10:48] <Iceman_AMD64> hard to believe you can still download Windows XP 64 bit free .. [10:48] <mebaran151> Razor-X: like what [10:48] <Razor-X> ``Ahhh, foo doesen't work with AMD-64!!!'' [10:48] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: do try to avoid the paper clip approach... [10:48] <Dr_Melectaus> thor, whats it supposed to do [10:48] <vader1102> brb need my first cup of coffee [10:48] <Dr_Melectaus> lol thor [10:48] <Razor-X> true, I can spend the time to fix it, and peruse the docs and such, but if it's too much hastle, yea [10:48] <Dr_Melectaus> yea [10:48] <calc> you can download wxp64pro free off of msdn site [10:48] <highvoltage> thoreauputic: the paper clip approach? [10:48] <mebaran151> most things ompile pretty clean [10:49] <mebaran151> except for openoffice [10:49] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: lazy umount ( see man mount ) [10:49] <calc> assuming you have the non-free access to it ;) [10:49] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I don't use oO [10:49] <Dr_Melectaus> k [10:49] <mebaran151> it will compile gnome from scratch [10:49] <Razor-X> not much, anyways [10:49] <mebaran151> most things that are written well can do it [10:49] <Iceman_AMD64> calc you just register with microshaft, and they send you a cd key and a download link for XP PRO 64 bit ... [10:49] <mebaran151> gcc will compile ANSI C to 64 bit ELF's [10:49] <calc> Iceman_AMD64: ah cool [10:49] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: or man umount perhaps - one or the other [10:49] <ricosuave17> YAY ELFS are they gring? [10:50] <ricosuave17> green [10:50] <calc> i got the corporate version with no activation off msdn a while back [10:50] <katrus> Woot. [10:50] <Iceman_AMD64> calc downlaod and burn the iso ... [10:50] <Razor-X> mebaran151: how about the packages? [10:50] <highvoltage> ok enough with the windows talk now [10:50] <Iceman_AMD64> lol ;-) Winblows [10:50] <Iceman_AMD64> might as well get it while it is free ... [10:51] <mebaran151> Razor-X: eh maybe [10:51] <mebaran151> Skpe I dont think wil lcompile [10:51] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: skype isn't open source - you can't compile it [10:51] <mebaran151> because otherwise [10:51] <mebaran151> I would have [10:51] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: psshhh! [10:51] <Xyc0> Windows Vista Betas are out [10:51] <Razor-X> then I have to go with Gizmo, I guess [10:51] <Razor-X> if I ever use it, now [10:51] <Iceman_AMD64> Anyone hurd of clustering support for Linux 64 bit ? [10:52] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: there's a pefectly functional deb for it - and an apt line [10:52] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: I do it [10:52] <Razor-X> Iceman_AMD64: that's ironic! XD [10:52] <mebaran151> but I use the ruby library, drb [10:52] <mebaran151> so [10:52] <Razor-X> don't use ``hurd'' in the Linux world [10:52] <mebaran151> I am kind of writing my own [10:53] <Iceman_AMD64> mebaran151 what cluster program ... [10:53] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: I hear the 64 bit one brings a lot of errors [10:53] <mebaran151> Razor-X: great Linus quote [10:53] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: homebrews [10:53] <mebaran151> are use Distributed ruby [10:53] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: ah - 64 bit I see [10:53] <Razor-X> like I said, I can obviously read the docs, but I don't want to spend more than a week fixing things [10:53] <Razor-X> I need another 2 to get everything tailored to my taste [10:53] <mebaran151> Razor-X: the qutoe is: "Dont do drugs or you'll end up like the Hurd people.' [10:53] <Iceman_AMD64> wonder if open mossix will run on 64 bit [10:53] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: yes, the deb isn't for amd64 [10:53] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: what's mosix [10:53] <Razor-X> making sure my .zshrc is right, making sure my emacs works nice, my screen, my Eterm needs to be compiled [10:53] <mebaran151> I am going to try FC4 [10:53] <Razor-X> I did a lot of customization on this box [10:54] <mebaran151> Razor-X: yur home should be portable [10:54] <mebaran151> back up your home partition [10:54] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I understand that [10:54] <mebaran151> and just copy it over [10:54] <Razor-X> well, a lot of my .emacs won't be [10:54] <Xyc0> I live in a portable home [10:54] <mebaran151> it wont be completely seamless [10:54] <Razor-X> so, i'm gonna just copy all the macros from it [10:54] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, can i somehow install it with the files on my pc, rather than from cd [10:54] <Iceman_AMD64> cluster add on for linux ... check www.clusterknoppix.com ... it boots a live cd and auto configs a cluster for you [10:54] <mebaran151> Xyc0: are you posix compliant ..... [10:54] <Iceman_AMD64> cluster from a live cd [10:54] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: that sounds like a bad idea [10:54] <Xyc0> it was a joke [10:55] <Razor-X> mebaran151: hahahahaha! [10:55] <Iceman_AMD64> not really, works well .... [10:55] <mebaran151> Xyc0: so was mine [10:55] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: well I guess it could cache itself in memory [10:55] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: first, did you manage to open your drive without using a crowbar ^H^H^H erm paperclip? [10:55] <Dr_Melectaus> lol [10:55] <Dr_Melectaus> yes [10:55] <Iceman_AMD64> mebaran151 it is a kernel add on ... once i learn a bit more i might add it to ubuntu .. [10:55] <mebaran151> time to burn on Fedora [10:56] <Dr_Melectaus> eject /dev/cdrom after cancling the install :) [10:56] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: yeah, but what doe sit do [10:56] <Iceman_AMD64> well beb i hope in kde ... [10:56] <mebaran151> I was compiling my kernel with openmosix extensions [10:56] <Razor-X> yeah, I think i'm gonna be better off using 32 bit distro with 64 bit kernel [10:56] <Iceman_AMD64> blender suppoerts clustering [10:56] <mebaran151> Razor-X: trust me [10:56] <fragspaz> hi [10:56] <Razor-X> and a few 64 bit packages here and there [10:56] <mebaran151> the problem isnt the packages [10:56] <fragspaz> whats the default mozilla dir? [10:56] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: what are you installing? [10:56] <Razor-X> mebaran151: how well does the 32 bit chroot work? [10:56] <Iceman_AMD64> high end graphics ... [10:56] <mebaran151> Razor-X: you cant really do that [10:56] <Razor-X> mebaran151: ahhh, carp [10:57] <mebaran151> if you want 64 bit packages [10:57] <Razor-X> s/carp/crap/ [10:57] <mebaran151> you have to have 64 bit system [10:57] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, TRYING to install UT2K3 [10:57] <mebaran151> no Razor-X it is fish [10:57] <Razor-X> mebaran151: hmmm, I see [10:57] <Razor-X> yeah, how's the 32 bit chroot? [10:57] <mebaran151> because 64 bit kernels emulate 32 bit instructions [10:57] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: ah - I know nothing about games, sorry [10:57] <mebaran151> but using the really super fast native emulation [10:57] <mebaran151> so emulate is a bad word [10:57] <Dr_Fate> serpentine does not work either huh? [10:57] <Dr_Fate> jeez [10:57] <mebaran151> but a 32 bit kernel cant emulate 64 bit [10:57] <mebaran151> that wouldnt make sense [10:57] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, ut2k3 has a linux install script on disc 3, but its fuggerd [10:58] <fragspaz> whats the default mozilla dir? [10:58] <mebaran151> but all your apps will be availabe [10:58] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: so it would seem [10:58] <Razor-X> mebaran151: that much I realized [10:58] <mebaran151> emacs, cplay [10:58] <mebaran151> the only thing you lose is Flash [10:58] <mebaran151> which [10:58] <mebaran151> if you are a good boy [10:58] <Razor-X> Flash, pshhhh [10:58] <mebaran151> you will help the GNUFlash guys [10:58] <Razor-X> I don't care about Flash [10:58] <mebaran151> wirte a new and better flash plugin [10:58] <Dr_Melectaus> the last install that just went wrong there was trying to run it under wine [10:58] <mebaran151> Ming is going really well [10:59] <mebaran151> it aint Studio MX [10:59] <Iceman_AMD64> kool, that got kde up [10:59] <mebaran151> but it writes flash [10:59] <robotgeek> okay...anyone with a weird ntfs problem? [10:59] <mebaran151> robotgeek: ntfs is an antiquaed modern fs [10:59] <mebaran151> so pshhh [10:59] <mebaran151> convert that volume to xfs [10:59] <mebaran151> it sounds like ntfs ..... [10:59] <Xyc0> winfs isn't? [10:59] <Iceman_AMD64> Geez, 64 bit blows my p4 out of the water ... [10:59] <Razor-X> Flash is one of those useless internet standards [11:00] <Razor-X> mebaran151: what about ReiserFS? [11:00] <robotgeek> mebaran151: i know, but I am using this volume to transfer data from my windows friends :) [11:00] <mebaran151> Razor-X: XFS is FAST [11:00] <mebaran151> but becareful [11:00] <highvoltage> Razor-X: flash is not cool [11:00] <Razor-X> ReiserFS is nice for small files [11:00] <Xyc0> not foe / [11:00] <robotgeek> flash is not cool! [11:00] <Razor-X> and JFS is nice for servers ;) [11:00] <highvoltage> Razor-X: reiserfs is cool. [11:00] <mebaran151> JFS is good for multimedia [11:00] <robotgeek> mostly cause they don't run on my machine [11:00] <Iceman_AMD64> so what is lacking in 64 bit ubuntu support ... [11:00] <mebaran151> because it can handle HUGE files will really nicely [11:01] <Xyc0> boot up doesnt like reiserfs, it takes like 5 extra sec to boot up [11:01] <robotgeek> Xyc0: no such problems here! [11:01] <Iceman_AMD64> is flash player support in 64 bit yet ? [11:01] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: hahahahahahahahahhahahaha [11:01] <mebaran151> hahahahahahahahhahaahaa [11:01] <mebaran151> hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahah [11:01] <mebaran151> sorry about that [11:01] <Iceman_AMD64> take that as a no .. [11:02] <mebaran151> it is there in hacks [11:02] <Dr_Melectaus> SORRY FOR SHOUTING. BUT has anyone got Unreal Tournament 2003, as i need the linux-install.sh script as mines is fuggerd [11:02] <robotgeek> okay, anyways...i have ntfs now :) [11:02] <yahalom> is there anything i can change in xorg.conf in order to get dvds to not be choppy [11:02] <Iceman_AMD64> what else is lacking in 64 bit support [11:02] <yahalom> > [11:02] <yahalom> ? [11:02] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: openoffice isnt native [11:02] <Dr_Melectaus> and if anyone would be willing to dcc me it id be most greatfull [11:02] <Xyc0> robotgeek: did you try with just ext3? ReiserFS has to be recognized b4 it can mount [11:02] <mebaran151> so you lose 1.2 secs initializing alot of 32 bit apps [11:02] <mebaran151> and libs [11:03] <rkinder> yahalom: check your DVD drive has DMA enabled [11:03] <robotgeek> i can mount as normal user, but cannot access it as a normal user [11:03] <yahalom> rkinder, yes it does [11:03] <mebaran151> chatzilla is nice [11:03] <mebaran151> XUL app [11:03] <mebaran151> I was expecting less [11:03] <robotgeek> Xyc0: my home partition is ext3, mp3/movies reiserfs [11:03] <Xyc0> later everyone, time to play guildwars [11:03] <Xyc0> on LINUX w00t [11:03] <holycow> mebaran151, why, all the moz browsers are xul apps them selves [11:03] <highvoltage> Linux is cool. [11:03] <vader1102> Razor-X I am running winXP 64 bit on a client machine...until the driver support is better, I am switching back to 32-bit [11:04] <Xyc0> ubuntix is the best [11:04] <robotgeek> mebaran151: it's pretty good. i prefer xchat though, my linux machine is not really powerful [11:04] <mebaran151> holycow: yeah, but that is kind of their definition [11:04] <mebaran151> robotgeek: yeah I do too [11:04] <Steph> can someone help me please [11:04] <mebaran151> this is from my windows laptop [11:04] <highvoltage> gross! [11:04] <Steph> is it possible to un-install linux after i have installed it? [11:04] <mebaran151> I cant get decent suspend with my laptop because the friggin ati card inside [11:04] <robotgeek> mebaran151: oh, the horrors! [11:04] <mebaran151> robotgeek: I hate it [11:04] <Xyc0> Steph: Why would you want to? [11:04] <holycow> mebaran151, ehe, i like chatzilla too, i think it can be better as xul framework is quite powerfull [11:04] <vader1102> Steph, anything is possible [11:04] <Steph> Xyc0 im just wondering [11:04] <rkinder> yahalom: do you have the xvideo extension enabled? [11:04] <Steph> is it possible? [11:04] <vader1102> yes [11:05] <highvoltage> mebaran151: you can just delete the partition. [11:05] <Steph> how do i do that [11:05] <Steph> un-install? [11:05] <robotgeek> mebaran151: i have ati too, luckily (or unluckily), i have a old machine! [11:05] <nomis_> Steph, you can delete the linux partions and re install the windows mbr if you want to ;) [11:05] <vader1102> it is called format [11:05] <Xyc0> Steph: it is, but you still lost what ever files were on the drive partition b4 you installed [11:05] <highvoltage> mebaran151: but windows is not cool. [11:05] <mebaran151> Steph: you can formt your harddrive [11:05] <mebaran151> highvoltage: I hate it [11:05] <mebaran151> I can't get my posix goodness [11:05] <highvoltage> mebaran151: i hate windows too [11:05] <Steph> but im leaving windows on with linux [11:05] <mebaran151> but I use it for Finale 2006 [11:05] <Steph> on a seperate partition [11:05] <Steph> what do i go into to delete the linux? [11:05] <mebaran151> I cant get my compisitions in to my professor with out a windows laptop [11:05] <Xyc0> Steph: yea, then you format over and use your WinXP disk to fixmbr [11:05] <vader1102> np steph use 3rd party partitionner [11:06] <robotgeek> mebaran151: i understand your pain :) [11:06] <Xyc0> Steph: Google around to see how to fix your mbr through windows [11:06] <mebaran151> ther eise nothing on the Linux scene that compete with Finale [11:06] <Steph> how much space does a default ubuntu partition take up? [11:06] <mebaran151> robotgeek: you do classical composition? [11:06] <Xyc0> Steph: but try linux, youd be surprised how much easier it is then windows [11:06] <vader1102> Steph: I was using it with a 3 gig hard drive [11:06] <robotgeek> mebaran151: nope, similiar issues...CAD design [11:06] <Steph> im using ubuntu live at the moment [11:06] <Xyc0> Steph: less then 2 gig [11:07] <Steph> do you think i should install it [11:07] <Xyc0> yes [11:07] <vader1102> yes [11:07] <Steph> i got a 40 gb/go hdd [11:07] <snivitz0> What is the proper terminal command to view ip information? [11:07] <Steph> is that enough for windows xp and ubuntu linux [11:07] <Steph> do you think [11:07] <Xyc0> Steph: give 10 gig to ubuntu [11:07] <robotgeek> snivitz0: ifconfig [11:07] <mebaran151> robotgeek: oh yeah [11:07] <thoreauputic> snivitz0: ifconfig [11:07] <Steph> 10?? [11:07] <vader1102> <----been using it for 3 weeks and will not go back [11:07] <Steph> too much isnt it [11:07] <mebaran151> but I know they exist for Linux really highend [11:07] <Razor-X> Windows gives me headaches, so continued exposure will make me go mad [11:07] <Xyc0> Steph: then you have room to install everything youd want [11:07] <mebaran151> I mean Maya is native [11:07] <snivitz0> robotgeek, thoreauputic: Thank you! [11:07] <mebaran151> so I am assuming AutoCAD has a port [11:08] <robotgeek> Steph: just in case u decide to stick with it :) [11:08] <Steph> Xyc0 can i use my WLAN card on ubuntu [11:08] <Xyc0> Steph: what kind is it [11:08] <Steph> Belkin [11:08] <mebaran151> it has to .. all teh architects I know do renders on AIX mainframes [11:08] <mebaran151> (family business) [11:08] <Xyc0> Steph: I can use mine, but it depends on the make/model [11:08] <Steph> How did you install yours. [11:08] <Steph> The install disk doesnt work. [11:08] <Steph> On linux [11:08] <Xyc0> ndiswrapper lets me use the windows drivers [11:08] <robotgeek> mebaran151: i am on PPC, so forget everything. I just get my work done on Windows machines, which inspite of being a P4 , crashes with only Pro/E and winamp running [11:09] <Xyc0> i use it that way [11:09] <Steph> ndiswrapper whats that [11:09] <robotgeek> !wifi [11:09] <ubotu> somebody said wifi was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto [11:09] <mebaran151> robotgeek: ahhh [11:09] <mebaran151> PPC Linux [11:09] <Xyc0> what ubotu said [11:09] <mebaran151> the minority of a minority [11:09] <vader1102> Steph try a google search for your card and ubuntu in the search window, that'll get ya the info you need [11:09] <robotgeek> Steph: see taht! [11:09] <Steph> so if i install that [11:09] <Steph> then ill be able to use windows install disks? [11:09] <Xyc0> it is installed with ubuntu isnt it? [11:09] <robotgeek> mebaran151: true, a pain sometimes...but i actually prefer Linux to OS X [11:10] <Steph> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto [11:10] <mebaran151> robotgeek: it feels hard [11:10] <Steph> do i install it to ubuntu? [11:10] <Steph> or windows [11:10] <rkinder> Steph: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards [11:10] <Xyc0> Steph: yea read up on how to install with ndis [11:10] <mebaran151> OS X is so bloated [11:10] <mebaran151> and they cut out all the posix goodness [11:10] <mebaran151> and gave it crappy threading support [11:10] <Xyc0> mebaran151: what is it with posix and you? [11:10] <mebaran151> a really crippled BSD [11:10] <robotgeek> mebaran151: actually OS X was pretty fast on my machine [11:10] <mebaran151> Xyc0: what's not to love [11:10] <vader1102> I use madwifi but that is because it has my driver built right in [11:10] <Xyc0> yea OSX gets to the point [11:11] <Steph> Xyc0 what do i install [11:11] <mebaran151> Xyc0: even with allt he eyecandy [11:11] <mebaran151> I was working on an old G4 [11:11] <Xyc0> is ndiswapper installed with ubuntu? [11:11] <mebaran151> and it was painful [11:11] <Steph> not on mine [11:11] <Steph> yet [11:11] <linlin> i jsut installed nvidia drivers. gow do i restart x now? [11:11] <Steph> where do i get it from [11:11] <Xyc0> Steph: first you need to findout exactly what wifi card you have [11:12] <vader1102> linlin easiest to just log out and back in lol [11:12] <linlin> mmk [11:12] <avdd> an intel xeon should be able to run an x86 installer yes? [11:12] <Xyc0> Steph: you also need to set up your router to use wep, cause WPA is really hard to setup [11:12] <robotgeek> mebaran151: but i did not like the fact that I could not have it the way i wanted it to. Plus, most of my future work installs easily with an apt-get rather than compiling thru fink [11:12] <Steph> i dont have security enabled on my router [11:13] <rkinder> Xyc0: wpa is easy to set up - depends on having a quality card/AP. [11:13] <Steph> Ive got a Belkin card [11:13] <robotgeek> Xyc0: let him take one step at a time :) [11:13] <Xyc0> rkinder: where did you find out how, ive been here for weeks trying to [11:13] <Steph> Xyc0 can you pvt me because this is getting confusing bro [11:13] <rkinder> Xyc0: wpa_supplicant is pretty good [11:14] <Xyc0> rkinder: i installed it, what else do I do? [11:14] <rkinder> Xyc0: read the fine manual :) /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/ ... I think [11:14] <robotgeek> i can mount my NTFS partition on my external USB as normal user, but cannot access it as a normal user. Any pointers? [11:15] <heatxsink> anyone in here get firewire working with their SoundBlaster Audigy ZS? [11:15] <vader1102> I am using the dwl-g650 abg wireless and love it, I can get into the car and go to any of my fave coffee shops and use their wireless access and do my studies from there or check the email if I so choose [11:15] <heatxsink> Audigy 2 ZS [11:16] <robotgeek> vader1102: cool!! [11:16] <vader1102> yup, I love the wireless world [11:16] <Dr_Melectaus> what should the ip be like for eth0 on ubuntu if its the 2nd machine on my network? [11:16] <Razor-X> what's a nice Linux compatible wireless card? [11:17] <Xyc0> vader1102: I got the dell a/b/g [11:17] <Dr_Melectaus> 192.168.0.2 ?? [11:17] <vader1102> still have a wired card for the places that lack behind but you know how that is [11:17] <robotgeek> Razor-X: i think most netgears work well [11:17] <Razor-X> robotgeek: great [11:17] <vader1102> my buddy has a MS card and has to use the ndiswrapper with it [11:17] <robotgeek> though check out www.prism54.org [11:18] <vader1102> but he is using suse [11:18] <robotgeek> i can't use ndiswrapper [11:18] <vader1102> robotgeek: why not? [11:18] <robotgeek> i actually have a belkin card, but it uses a ralink chipset [11:18] <robotgeek> vader1102: ppc linux :) [11:18] <Razor-X> my dad's Netgear Wireless card worked out of the box in Knoppix, but I don't know if that configures ndiswrapper dynamically [11:18] <vader1102> oh, ok [11:18] <Dr_Melectaus> what should the ip be like for eth0 on ubuntu if its the 2nd machine on my network? 192.168.0.2 ?? [11:18] <bonvenon> Dr_Melectaus: if you have a router it's probably using 192.168.0.1. then your first machine might run on 2 and the second on 3 [11:19] <robotgeek> Razor-X: i think netgear has support in linux kernel :)\ [11:19] <Razor-X> robotgeek: kickass! ;) [11:19] <robotgeek> Razor-X: even my usb netgear worked! [11:19] <Dr_Melectaus> bonvenon, under the hosts tab, what should be selected ? [11:19] <rkinder> Dr_Melectaus: it all depends on the network configuration... it's kind of like asking 'how long is a piece of string'... :) [11:19] <bonvenon> Dr_Melectaus: do you have a router? [11:20] <Dr_Melectaus> Well i have a pc acting as a router [11:20] <Dr_Melectaus> the connection from the pc is bridged to my ubuntu laptop [11:20] <Dr_Melectaus> the router is dows XP [11:20] <Dr_Melectaus> well pc [11:20] <Steph> Razor-X do you use a wlan card? [11:20] <vader1102> I have never done the pc router thing but I might in the future [11:20] <bonvenon> Dr_Melectaus: can't you use dhcp? [11:20] <Razor-X> Steph: not on this machine [11:21] <Dr_Melectaus> bonvenon, how do i use it [11:21] <Dr_Melectaus> select it rather than static ip? [11:21] <Steph> Razor-X: OK [11:21] <Razor-X> AMD 64 and Wireless is new territory for me [11:21] <bonvenon> Dr_Melectaus: yep. but that requires a dhcp server that gives you an ip [11:21] <DavidA> Can anyone help - the printer connected to my parralel poort is not recognised as being connected - I have checked the cables [11:22] <Dr_Melectaus> bonvenon, where do i put that in then? [11:22] <rkinder> Dr_Melectaus: you should be able to configure this via the System->Administration->Networking [11:22] <Dr_Melectaus> i am rkinder [11:22] <Dr_Melectaus> Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.101.66 [11:22] <vader1102> it is like 5:20 am here on sunday of a long weekend: what in the world am I doing up lol [11:22] <Dr_Melectaus> would that be what i use bonvenon [11:22] <Razor-X> long weekend? [11:22] <Dr_Melectaus> if so where does that go? [11:23] <mebaran151_> yeah [11:23] <bonvenon> Dr_Melectaus: have you selected dhcp? [11:23] <Dr_Melectaus> yes bonvenon [11:23] <Dr_Melectaus> it worked previously with dhcp [11:23] <Dr_Melectaus> but somehow went tits up [11:23] <bonvenon> tDr_Melectaus: hen, why did you change it? [11:23] <vader1102> woops: coffe done brb [11:23] <bonvenon> Dr_Melectaus: ok [11:23] <Dr_Melectaus> it was working a couple of hours ago [11:24] <Steph> Hello Hear_ [11:24] <Steph> Hello Heart_ [11:24] <Dr_Melectaus> bonvenon, is there anything i can do to sort it? [11:25] <rkinder> Dr_Melectaus: have you tried 'ifdown eth0' then 'ifup eth0'? [11:25] <Heart_> hi [11:25] <Dr_Melectaus> rkinder, do i just put that in terminal [11:25] <rkinder> Dr_Melectaus: it may get a new DHCP address... [11:25] <rkinder> Dr_Melectaus: yes, it would be 'sudo ifdown eth0' then 'sudo ifup eth0' [11:25] <robotgeek> vader1102: it's a long weekend? [11:25] <robotgeek> damn! [11:26] <Razor-X> robotgeek: I didn't know either [11:26] <Madpilot> it is in most of Canada, anyway. Happy BC Day (on Monday, anyway)... [11:27] <robotgeek> ah..okay [11:27] <Dr_Melectaus> rkinder, typed it but it just goes to a new line with no info [11:27] <MartenH> what is a backport? [11:27] <robotgeek> i solved the mount problem by RTFMing [11:27] <rkinder> Dr_Melectaus: sounds like the networking system is trying to get a new IP address through DHCP but failing. [11:27] <mebaran151_> ok weird [11:27] <mebaran151_> breezy colony 2 works [11:27] <Dr_Melectaus> hmmmm. is there anyway to sort it rkinder ? [11:28] <Dr_Melectaus> i have this Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.101.66 which i think is of some relavence [11:28] <Dr_Melectaus> with there being no DNS [11:28] <mebaran151_> but hoary segfaults and breezy current panics [11:28] <mebaran151_> weird .... [11:28] <Sp4rKy> hello, what's the best ide over gnome for c++ ? [11:28] <robotgeek> atleast they both crash...maybe that's a good thing [11:28] <rkinder> Dr_Melectaus: the 169 address is a bit weird - this is usually a default address (randomly assigned 169 address) windows grabs when it can't reach the DHCP server [11:28] <linuxboy> how does a user change their password from thu GUI? [11:29] <rkinder> Dr_Melectaus: this address is the one on the ubuntu box? [11:29] <robotgeek> Razor-X will say emacs, i will say vim and you might use kdevelop/gedit! [11:29] <yahalom> guys how do i turn on dma for DVD and then make sure it stays on. cos i did it manually and then everytime i reboot i lose the settings. anyone plz? [11:29] <Dr_Melectaus> rkinder, want to talk me thru setting it up againf from scratch, it will only take 5 mins :) [11:29] <searcher`> yahalom: look in /etc/hdparm.conf [11:29] <Dr_Melectaus> Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.101.66 ==what comes up in dows box [11:29] <thoreauputic> yahalom: read /etc/hdparm.conf [11:29] <robotgeek> is it possible to set dma on for a external usb? [11:30] <brach_> Linuxboy: sudo passwd your_user_name [11:30] <rkinder> Dr_Melectaus: ok, looks like the windows box can't get a DHCP address... [11:30] <Dr_Melectaus> the current eth0 ip on the ubuntu machine is 192.168.0.2 [11:30] <Razor-X> emacs! [11:30] <Razor-X> meh, robotgeek [11:30] <linuxboy> brach_: without using the GUI! [11:30] <searcher`> vi! [11:30] <brach_> from command line console [11:30] <brach_> :) [11:30] <thoreauputic> brach_: the sudo isn't needed for the user to change a password [11:30] <searcher`> linuxboy: there's a user management option in the System menu [11:30] <Dr_Melectaus> brd ip for eth0 is 192.168.0.255 [11:31] <vader1102> vi is ok, but beeing a noob I preffer gedit [11:31] <yahalom> thoreauputic, i get cdrom dma on, however its on for dvd. do i need a dvd entry? [11:31] <searcher`> Dr_Melectaus: that adress is reserved for broadcast traffic [11:31] <yahalom> thoreauputic, i mean its NOT on for DVD [11:31] <linuxboy> searcher`: but the user doesn't have access to that [11:31] <thoreauputic> yahalom: you need an entry for each drive you have [11:31] <rkinder> Dr_Melectaus: so does the winxp box have an interface with a 192 address? [11:31] <Dr_Melectaus> whats that mean searcher` [11:31] <searcher`> Dr_Melectaus: are you trying to assign that adress or give it out? [11:32] <thoreauputic> yahalom: here the drives are /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd [11:32] <yahalom> thoreauputic, i only have one cdrom drive buts its a DVD, so even though DMA is on for that cd rom drive. my dvd dma is off [11:32] <thoreauputic> yahalom: yours may differ [11:32] <robotgeek> is it possible to set dma on for a external usb? [11:32] <Dr_Melectaus> searcher. i cant get the internet on my ubuntu machine [11:32] <Dr_Melectaus> the ip's are all screwed for eth0. i have a windows machine acting as a router [11:32] <thoreauputic> yahalom: I don't have a DVD drive and I don't know an naswer - maybe someone else will know [11:33] <searcher`> Dr_Melectaus: is DHCP working on the Windows machine? [11:33] <thoreauputic> *answer [11:33] <linuxboy> is there any ipv6 howto for ubuntu? [11:33] <Mondoshawan> hi all! [11:33] <searcher`> Dr_Melectaus: also, check the last lines of `dmesg' when you try to get an ip [11:33] <Dr_Melectaus> searcher. i had dhcp selected on ubuntu a few hours ago and it was working [11:33] <Dr_Melectaus> last lines of dmsg ? [11:33] <Razor-X> IPv6? [11:33] <Dr_Melectaus> dmesg** [11:33] <searcher`> Dr_Melectaus: open a terminal [11:33] <Razor-X> that's oldskool! [11:33] <Razor-X> I have IPv32412342134 [11:33] <Dr_Melectaus> searcher`, k [11:34] <Xyc0> Is there a defrag program for Ext3? [11:34] <Razor-X> muahahahaha!
 searcher. i had dhcp selected on ubuntu a few hours ago and it was working <-- happned to me too [11:34] <Razor-X> my IP address is bigger than my .zshrc!!! XD [11:34] <thoreauputic> Xyc0: not needed [11:34] <Mondoshawan> I installed a ubuntu 5.04 server with apache2 but no ftpd but i wonder i can connect as anonymous user on this server but i do not find a ftp server? [11:34] <dilch> many negroes prefer to use unbuntu [11:34] <Razor-X> dilch: is that different from ubuntu? [11:34] <Xyc0> thoreauputic: what do you mean, every format splits data up occasionally [11:34] <searcher`> type: dmesg [11:34] <Dr_Melectaus> searcher`, "no ipv6 routers present [11:34] <Razor-X> or just a misspelling? [11:34] <Dr_Melectaus> at the end [11:34] <searcher`> Dr_Melectaus: that's good [11:35] <dilch> Razor-X, a misspelling big fella [11:35] <thoreauputic> Xyc0: *sigh* linux rarely fragments enough to matter (it's properly designed) [11:35] <Dr_Melectaus> searcher`, there is something about 10 lines above it that may mean something.... (allow time to type) [11:36] <brach_> for a total noob @ coding (never done it) what language would be a good start in learning? (if their even is such a thing) [11:36] <Xyc0> Xyc0: [11:36] <Xyc0> wtf [11:36] <Xyc0> the siren isnt going off [11:36] <vader1102> time to work on the BLOG will keep watching [11:36] <Belutz> brach_: C or C++ [11:36] <Dr_Melectaus> program eject is using deprecated SCDI ioctl,please convert it SG_IO [11:36] <Dr_Melectaus> has the above twice [11:36] <benplaut> Xyc0: test... test [11:36] <Xyc0> Xyc0: [11:36] <Xyc0> damn it [11:36] <Xyc0> gaim is broken [11:36] <benplaut> your own won't do it [11:37] <linuxboy> brach_: python [11:37] <benplaut> oh, Gaim? [11:37] <Xyc0> try again [11:37] <Mondoshawan> is on ubuntu autmaticlly a ftp service installed ? can somebody help me please ?! [11:37] <benplaut> try Xchat :) [11:37] <benplaut> Xyco [11:37] <Dr_Melectaus> searcher`, ? [11:37] <Xyc0> with a zero [11:37] <benplaut> benplaut [11:37] <robotgeek> python rocks! [11:37] <djtansey> does anyone here know how to set up email forwarding in ubuntu (which is used as a mail server)? [11:37] <benplaut> i can't flag myself :P [11:37] <Sammi> C++ is fairly easy to learn. [11:37] <thoreauputic> Mondoshawan: no servers run externally on default ubuntu - or do you mean an ftp *client* ? [11:38] <Xyc0> some one tab my name in [11:38] <Razor-X> Xyc0: no ;) [11:38] <Madpilot> Xyc0: like this? [11:38] <Xyc0> damn it [11:38] <Razor-X> Madpilot: beat ya [11:38] <Madpilot> heh. [11:38] <Razor-X> benplaut: that's flamewar territory ;) [11:38] <Dr_Melectaus> rkinder, ? [11:38] <Xyc0> it used to work!!!! what broke it!!! [11:38] <Xyc0> brb [11:38] <Razor-X> fine fine [11:38] <thoreauputic> Mondoshawan: please ask before /msg ing or pm ing people [11:38] <Belutz> Razor-X: hi... still here?? don't you need something to eat? :D [11:39] <Dr_Melectaus> bahhh everyone has vanished all at once [11:39] <Dr_Melectaus> :-\ [11:39] <Razor-X> Belutz: eating is for squares! [11:39] <Razor-X> ;) [11:39] <Belutz> yup... BitchX is good :p [11:39] <thoreauputic> Mondoshawan: and keep your questions in channel where everyone can read them to help you [11:39] <benplaut> why does it have an X at the end, if it's CLI? [11:39] <benplaut> BitchX, that is [11:40] <Mondoshawan> ok [11:40] <Razor-X> benplaut: X is generally prepended to mean an ``X Windows'' application [11:40] <Razor-X> nooo!!! [11:40] <Belutz> lol [11:40] <benplaut> but it's not?! [11:40] <thoreauputic> Mondoshawan: PLEASE do *not* /msh me ! [11:40] <Razor-X> benplaut: it generally is [11:40] <thoreauputic> * /msg [11:40] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: /msh? [11:40] <benplaut> it's command line...? [11:40] <Razor-X> benplaut: like the DVI Viewer xgdvi [11:40] <Belutz> anyone using tcsh instead of bash? [11:40] <benplaut> w/e [11:40] <Razor-X> it's for X Windows, hence the ``x'' [11:40] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: new protocol *grin* [11:41] <Razor-X> Belutz: nooooooooo!!!! evil!!!!! [11:41] <benplaut> *PLEASE* do not /mush me! [11:41] <yahalom> thoreauputic, how do i make this permanent: hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd ? [11:41] <robotgeek> i am not a power user of irc, xchat works well for me...plus, #ubuntu is the only place i visit [11:41] <thoreauputic> benplaut: hahah [11:41] <tikka> woooooooooooooooo [11:41] <tikka> got me a new kernel [11:41] <tikka> sexy stuff [11:41] <Belutz> Razor-X: why tcsh is evil? FreeBSD use tcsh by default [11:41] <benplaut> good for you [11:41] <Mondoshawan> I installed ubuntu (server) there is no ftp Dmon but i can connect on port21 with anonymous WHY? [11:41] <thoreauputic> yahalom: we told you - edit /etc/hdparm.conf [11:41] <Mondoshawan> ist that a bug ??? [11:41] <dilch> exactly, i use tcsh [11:41] <Razor-X> Belutz: exactly [11:41] <dilch> you rude little man [11:41] <benplaut> tikka: be quiet on that last one... it gives us geeks a bad image :P [11:41] <Razor-X> which makes FreeBSD evil [11:41] <Razor-X> ;) [11:42] <yahalom> thoreauputic, i know that man. i dont know how do insert it. [11:42] <Belutz> Razor-X: huehuehue.... because of the devil of FreeBSD daemon.... LOL [11:42] <benplaut> p'shaaa... [11:42] <robotgeek> Mondoshawan: you must have ftpd installed and running [11:42] <Mondoshawan> no is not [11:42] <Razor-X> your !! has nothing on ME!!! muahahahahaha!!! XD [11:42] <thoreauputic> yahalom: it tells you how in the file comments [11:42] <Xyc0> some one tab me in again [11:42] <robotgeek> bash is the shell! [11:42] <Xyc0> last time [11:42] <Razor-X> Xyc0: no [11:42] <Xyc0> nice [11:43] <Xyc0> it works now [11:43] <dilch> Belutz, do it [11:43] <Razor-X> don't do it! [11:43] <Xyc0> i think it was when i restarted esd [11:43] <Razor-X> don't go to the dark side! [11:43] <Mondoshawan> thats strange no ftpd no vsftpd nothing with ftp is installed [11:43] <yahalom> thoreauputic, ah sorry man. thanx :) [11:43] <benplaut> that was odd... [11:43] <Burgundavia> Mondoshawan, no servers are installed by default [11:43] <Xyc0> LINUX IS FREEEEEEEE [11:43] <benplaut> what did my exit message say the problem was a sec ago? [11:43] <Xyc0> FREEEDOOOOMMM [11:43] <Belutz> robotgeek: thx for the slap... i just wake up :D [11:43] <robotgeek> Mondoshawan: i think ftpd must be installed and started from inetd [11:43] <Razor-X> Xyc0: free as in libre, not free as in coors [11:43] <Belutz> dilch: why do you think i should migrate? [11:43] <robotgeek> Belutz: it's all in good humor :) [11:43] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: I told him that about half an hour ago :/ [11:43] <Xyc0> FREEEEDOOOMMMM [11:44] <benplaut> oh, be quiet :) [11:44] <Razor-X> benplaut: you closed the connection [11:44] <benplaut> oh [11:44] <Mondoshawan> i know but why can i connect to port 21 wit anonymousd? [11:44] <Xyc0> :D [11:44] <Burgundavia> Xyc0, please don't [11:44] <robotgeek> Mondoshawan: do a telnet localhost:21 [11:44] <Belutz> robotgeek: yup... :D [11:44] <benplaut> d*mn bugs [11:44] <Xyc0> Burgundavia: it's ok to be free dude [11:44] <Razor-X> granted, BSD is awesome as a server [11:44] <Razor-X> but nothing more [11:44] <Mondoshawan> in inetd.conf arent entrys [11:44] <benplaut> Xyc0: don't shout it [11:44] <dilch> Razor-X, i use it on the desktop and it works just fine [11:45] <robotgeek> Mondoshawan: and tell us what it says [11:45] <benplaut> at least he hasn't learned about bold text :D [11:45] <Razor-X> dilch: of course it works [11:45] <Belutz> Razor-X: yup... i've been using FreeBSD as servers [11:45] <Razor-X> but, BSD's main use is serverness [11:45] <benplaut> "The power to serve" [11:45] <Razor-X> everything else is too convoluted for my tastes [11:45] <Mondoshawan> unable to connect :-) but with the gnome-commander i can connect lol [11:45] <Xyc0> benplaut: *whisper* freeeedoooommm [11:45] <Razor-X> I dunno, BSD seems counter-intuitive to me [11:45] <benplaut> !info zsh [11:45] <dilch> lol it's not too convoluted at all [11:45] <ubotu> zsh: (A shell with lots of features), section shells, is optional. Version: 4.2.1-15ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 1949 kB, Installed size: 5816 kB [11:45] <dilch> the opposite [11:45] <benplaut> ahhh [11:45] <benplaut> that explans [11:45] <vader1102> ok, time for me to have some fun and try to get the mana world to work under Ubuntu... will post a blog if it works [11:46] <Razor-X> benplaut: exactly [11:46] <Belutz> i just can't resist the cute devil the fbsd daemon :p [11:46] <dilch> i run everything i ever ran in linux .. it has binary emulation anyway [11:46] <Razor-X> zsh borrows some from every shell [11:46] <Razor-X> including tcsh [11:46] <robotgeek> Mondoshawan: weird, but i dunno what's wrong [11:46] <benplaut> how hard to switch to from Bash? [11:46] <Mondoshawan> so i will see whats the problem i will reboot [11:46] <Mondoshawan> thanks [11:46] <Razor-X> benplaut: to zsh, the basic things are the same [11:46] <Razor-X> but, when it comes to scripting, and powerful interactive use, that's where zsh differs [11:47] <benplaut> ahh [11:47] <robotgeek> i use python for all my scripting needs :) [11:47] <benplaut> i wouldn't reallu notice a diff [11:47] <brammator> hi! where can i find drivers for usb modem id 0572:1234? linuxant.com doesn't help. [11:47] <Razor-X> benplaut: but tcsh on the other hand... ouch ;) [11:47] <robotgeek> and they are not much [11:50] <Softarn> what filesystem type should i install ubuntu on? [11:50] <MartenH> what is a backport? [11:50] <robotgeek> Softarn: ext3 shud work fine [11:50] <rkinder> Softarn: depends on your needs. Default of ext3 should do for most people [11:51] <evader> Can anyone suggest where I can find out how to install Windows Vista beta 1 on vmware5? (ubuntu host). Windows doesnt detect the virtual disk for some reason. [11:51] <LiberalTugboat> hey... anyone running KDE 3.4.2? [11:51] <Xyc0> some one help Steph when he/she gets back, im going to bed [11:51] <Xyc0> evader: Good luck [11:51] <Catdaemon`> Im using SSH and i closed the window showing what my server app was doing, how to i see what is doing again? ( sorry i cant explain that very well ) :| [11:52] <evader> Xyc0, thanks - any ideas though? [11:52] <thoreauputic> MartenH: in simple terms a backport is a newer version made to work on an older installation (like something from breezy made to be compatible with hoary, say) [11:52] <Xyc0> evader: no, it is way too new to start messing with emulators [11:52] <robotgeek> i think i will go to bed too...it's 4:30 am! [11:52] <Xyc0> ha ha thanks Belutz [11:52] <Belutz> wew [11:53] <Softarn> how big is ubuntu? like 2 gb? [11:53] <evader> Xyc0, vmware5 says it has experimental Longhorn support - it just doesnt seem to like the SCSI drivers... [11:53] <robotgeek> oh okay...some more time then! [11:53] <evader> Softarn, as big as you make it. [11:53] <Softarn> great! [11:54] <Madpilot> Softarn: default is about 1.8Gb [11:54] <Xyc0> evader: you downloaded the new torrent for WinVista? [11:54] <robotgeek> evil!! [11:54] <evader> Xyc0, no, I have it legit. MSDN subscription. [11:54] <evader> Why? [11:55] <Catdaemon`> lol [11:55] <Catdaemon`> you paid for a msdn subscription :/ [11:55] <Xyc0> evader: Cause I was thinking of messing with it. [11:55] <Catdaemon`> looks like a waste of money from what i see :/ [11:55] <robotgeek> to each his own [11:55] <robotgeek> i'm sure he has a good reason [11:56] <Rydekull> hmm, I want to try out Windows Vista Beta 1 to see how their security thinking is going [11:56] <Rydekull> it seems to have improved alot atleast [11:57] <robotgeek> IE 7 UI is not good [11:58] <evader> heh yeah [11:58] <evader> I have it running on xp in vmware [11:58] <evader> not too bad tho [11:58] <Xyc0> IE 7 is M$ trying to be like firefox [11:58] <robotgeek> all the new features are from opera and ffox [11:58] <robotgeek> and to be different, they changed the position of File menu [11:58] <Xyc0> that may sound ignorant, but it is way too close to the truth [11:58] <brammator> robotgeek nope. they're from maxthon 1-) [11:59] <Belutz> hmmm is vmware for linux is free ? [11:59] <Xyc0> no [11:59] <xophEr> no [11:59] <Belutz> ic [11:59] <Belutz> :( [11:59] <Xyc0> its really expensive actualy [11:59] <robotgeek> brammator: never had the chance to try it...though i will be ignorant end user and not try IE [11:59] <mjr> Belutz, if you want something similar, try qemu [11:59] <Belutz> qemu? [11:59] <Belutz> will googling on that [12:00] <robotgeek> brammator: or maxthon...since now firefox on windows plays yahoo videos too! [12:00] <Xyc0> Belutz: or you can just use wine to run the windows programs you like [12:00] <mjr> Belutz, it's somewhat slower, though (there is a proprietary, free-as-in-beer kernel module that's supposed to make it faster, haven't tried) [12:00] <mjr> Belutz, google will work, yes [12:00] <Belutz> could someone kindly enough to give me a copy of vmware or crossover? LOL :D j/k [12:00] <thoreauputic> mjr: default qemu works, but it's pretty slow [12:00] <Xyc0> Belutz: Torrents [12:00] <Catdaemon`> Im using SSH and i closed the window showing what my server app was doing, how to i see what is doing again? ( sorry i cant explain that very well ) :| ( repeat because of no answer :o ) [12:01] <Xyc0> Belutz: you can steal linux programs too [12:01] <Belutz> Xyc0: that's a good idea... [12:01] <mjr> thoreauputic, yep, that I have tried :) [12:01] <brammator> robotgeek: believe me, ff still loses to maxthon. private opinion, of course. [12:01] <thoreauputic> mjr: :) [12:01] <Xyc0> but it is way more satisfying to steal m$ programs [12:01] <brammator> meh, anybody knows about conexant modems and ubuntu? [12:01] <Belutz> Xyc0: i couldn't agree more :D [12:01] <robotgeek> brammator: i use linux most of the time, so i don't really have a choice there, do i? [12:01] <Xyc0> gnite everyone [12:01] <Belutz> nite nite Xyc0 [12:01] <Softarn> so u dont think ie 7 si gonna be better than ffox? aint there alot of security holes in ffox now? [12:02] <Catdaemon`> Softarn: be pro, use opera :D [12:02] <robotgeek> Xyc0: nite [12:02] <mastovergnat> houba [12:02] <brammator> robotgeek heh.. that's 'operation system holy war" thing is total tragic crap for us fellow endusers [12:02] <thoreauputic> guys, btw WAREZ is way off topic here [12:02] <Belutz> brammator: maybe this will help you out http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/ [12:02] <Belutz> thoreauputic: oops sorry [12:02] <raven3x7> brammmator www.linuxant.com [12:03] <brammator> Belutz if my usb id is not listed on linuxznt.com, is it possible? [12:03] <holycow> Softarn, i havent seen any so called 'innovation' in ie7 yet [12:03] <Belutz> brammator: i donno about that, sorry [12:03] <holycow> not only that [12:03] <holycow> they publically stated not to be making any efforts to support w3c standards [12:04] <brammator> raven3x7 what about usb id? [12:04] <holycow> for a company that has what, 30 billion in cas in the bank, thats the best they can do? [12:04] <holycow> pathetic [12:04] <raven3x7> brammator try the linmodems website/mailinglist they should know [12:04] <brammator> thanks/ [12:05] <Random_Sindrom> How do I apply themes in Openbox? [12:05] <robotgeek> Random_Sindrom: obconf [12:06] <robotgeek> MS wants it's own standards for everything...PITA all the time [12:06] <robotgeek> All MS needs to do is to play nicely with everyone, and everyone will be happy [12:07] <linlin> not how thw world orks unfortunetly [12:07] <searcher`> robotgeek: that's the problem when you have a monopoly, you don't maintain it when you play nicely [12:07] <linlin> works [12:07] <searcher`> *nice [12:07] <vagamente> hi all... ne1 can help me? [12:08] <robotgeek> searcher`: not really. a few people like me hate windows cause they don't play along well [12:08] <Pixel83> vagamente, what's your problem? [12:08] <rkinder> vagamente: what's the prob? [12:09] <searcher`> robotgeek: i don't hate windows [12:09] <searcher`> it has it's place, just like linux [12:09] <searcher`> or any other OS [12:09] <searcher`> but they do have a monopoly part in fact of not playing nice to other vendors [12:09] <vagamente> http://www.sinussource.de/ldrum/#downloads - Which one i have to install and how to? [12:09] <Belutz> i always open windows in the morning, my room windows :D [12:09] <holycow> robotgeek All MS needs to do is to play nicely with everyone, and everyone will be happy <-- you know, i couldnt agree with this more [12:09] <searcher`> once you buy MS, it's pretty sure switching will be more costly then upgrading [12:10] <holycow> its not like they are retards [12:10] <holycow> they have some smart and talented people working over there [12:10] <holycow> they could compete no problem [12:10] <searcher`> but why bother? [12:10] <searcher`> look at IE [12:10] <holycow> but they insist on simply making it hard for everyone [12:10] <robotgeek> PITA! [12:10] <searcher`> as soon as they pushed out Netscape it became stagnant for 3 years [12:10] <linlin> you would all do the same thing... [12:11] <linlin> if it meant you were the richest man in the worls [12:11] <linlin> world* [12:11] <searcher`> maintaining the monopoly is a sure way to make some serious cash [12:11] <robotgeek> IE 7 also has nothing new, no CSS2 compatibility even [12:11] <holycow> searcher`, its not a simple calculation like that, dropping ms for us results in 75% drop in i.t. costs [12:11] <Pixel83> vagamente, probably the first one. [12:11] <holycow> there is a lot to be said for a case by case based analysis [12:11] <rkinder> vagamente: you'll probably have to download the source and compile it yourself - doesn't look like this app is in the ubuntu repositories... [12:11] <searcher`> holycow: the software isn't the big factor in IT [12:11] <searcher`> the cost i mean [12:11] <holycow> oh yes it is [12:11] <searcher`> it's the people installing and maintaining [12:11] <robotgeek> look at OS X...they have innovated [12:11] <holycow> searcher`, like i told you, exactly [12:11] <searcher`> they are more expensive then that license [12:12] <holycow> it IS THE factor indeed [12:12] <Pixel83> vagamente, have you ever done that ./configure, make, make install thing? [12:12] <searcher`> but switching away from MS once you buy it is more costly then just upgrading [12:12] <mjr> robotgeek, how about proper png support at least? [12:12] <holycow> searcher`, no its not, its on a case by case basis [12:12] <vagamente> never ever Pixel... [12:12] <robotgeek> mjr: i think ie 7 has that, i am not sure though [12:12] <holycow> for us it results in 75% reduction in costs, thats overall, including maintenance and licencing [12:12] <holycow> please don't generalize like that [12:13] <searcher`> holycow: it is in the 30+ companies i do support for [12:13] <holycow> for other companies it will be different [12:13] <holycow> sure, i'm not claimining anything about your situation [12:13] <searcher`> we are slowly trying to get rid of Exchange for some of them [12:13] <Pixel83> vagamente, you'll probably have to download the tgz, unpack it and then follow the file named "INSTALL" [12:13] <mebaran> yes! [12:13] <holycow> there are a lot of workloads where the switch just makes sense tho [12:13] <mebaran> using colony 2 I finally have a working linux install [12:13] <vagamente> ok.. let's try... [12:13] <mebaran> keymaps are weird but whatever [12:13] <searcher`> which means expensive licenses (Novell, RedHat ) for support [12:13] <searcher`> OR [12:14] <robotgeek> in my university, we havent made it to dual boot in the major labs cause of the SCO scare [12:14] <searcher`> lots of time spent by my team in building a custom linux out of debian [12:14] <holycow> searcher`, we are just going with ubuntu and debian [12:14] <LiberalTugboat> well need to go to bed i think... it is late! night all [12:14] <searcher`> holycow: you still have to customize [12:14] <robotgeek> we do have a sweet deal from redhat here at my univ [12:14] <searcher`> and IT labour doesn't come cheap [12:14] <holycow> for our needs, redhat and novell don't show up on the radar [12:14] <holycow> searcher`, dude, please stop generalizing [12:14] <searcher`> robotgeek: edu is different from commercial use [12:14] <searcher`> holycow: i'm not [12:14] <robotgeek> searcher`: i know [12:15] <holycow> i may only have 175 desktops, but we customize nothing with each install [12:15] <mebaran> is pgsql so much faster than mysql [12:15] <holycow> nothing [12:15] <Dr_Melectaus> hmmm [12:15] <Dr_Melectaus> it didnt seem to work [12:15] <searcher`> holycow: but you have to build that initial install [12:15] <Dr_Melectaus> searcher` [12:15] <searcher`> you have to build the servers [12:15] <searcher`> secure them [12:15] <searcher`> that's lots of time [12:15] <holycow> searcher`, lol, what? [12:15] <holycow> hows that different from any other platform? [12:15] <holycow> thats standard i.t. procedure, how does that haveto do with anything? [12:15] <searcher`> more time then you would spend on just upgrading (because you have already done that for your original windows servers) [12:16] <holycow> heh no [12:16] <searcher`> that's what i'm saying [12:16] <holycow> searcher`, you are correct, don't be so defensive [12:16] <holycow> jesus [12:16] <holycow> this isn't kindergarden i'm not attacking you [12:16] <robotgeek> :) [12:16] <Belutz> :D [12:16] <holycow> i'm just saying sure, thats true for you, there are more than one way to slice the cat tho [12:16] <mebaran> X isnt broken in Breezy is it [12:16] <mebaran> as of now [12:17] <vader1102> tmw: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [12:17] <holycow> a lot of time it really is a lot less expensive, a lot of times its not [12:17] <vader1102> sorry [12:17] <searcher`> holycow: considering i have to have this discussion with most of my team i enjoy hearing other opinions [12:17] <searcher`> holycow: anytime we get a new member it's the same discussion over again [12:17] <Pixel83> vagamente, btw did you check the requirements? [12:18] <searcher`> :-) [12:18] <robotgeek> alrite...gotta sleep now! [12:18] <robotgeek> cya all later [12:18] <rkinder> mebram: if you're prepared to potentially lose X and work to get it back, no, X isn't broken :) [12:18] <holycow> searcher`, for fuck sakes, who gives a shit about your team and your discussion? [12:18] <searcher`> holycow: linux is great for start up companies though [12:18] <searcher`> holycow: apparantly, you do [12:18] <rkinder> s/mebram/mebran [12:18] <holycow> searcher`, naw i keep on saying 'hey dude, heres this neat situation for us its great' [12:18] <robotgeek> okay guys..keep it safe in #ubuntu, and for arguments use #ubuntu-offtopic [12:18] <holycow> and you keep on saying 'hey dude i run 30 different sites and its only like this' [12:19] <robotgeek> holycow, searcher` : please take the discussion elsewhere [12:19] <robotgeek> nite! [12:19] <holycow> who cares? hey yes your sites run ms, cool. for us the SLOW switch has been really quite remarkably easy [12:19] <thoreauputic> holycow: adjust your attitude and language please. Each time you come to this channel you start an unnecessary argument [12:19] <holycow> but we have had to take it slowly [12:20] <holycow> if we were to swap everything out overnight the costs would rise [12:20] <Belutz> robotgeek: have a good sleep :D [12:22] <holycow> thoreauputic, and i keep on telling you every night your opinion is worthless, i would recommend puttin me on your extra special ignore list [12:22] <j2dope> hi. whats a good voice chat program, other than skype? im thinking like the ol roger wilco type thing? [12:22] <j2dope> i just want something simple. [12:23] <Bubbling_Zombie> teamspeak? [12:23] <j2dope> is that compatible with windows/ [12:23] <thoreauputic> holycow: your arrogance, tactlessness and generally antisocial behaviour are immature but faintly amusing :0 [12:23] <Bubbling_Zombie> yes j2dope [12:23] <holycow> thoreauputic, wonderfull, enjoy the show then :) [12:23] <j2dope> thanks Bubbling_Zombie :) was just SO sick of trying to get skype's bloody sound working [12:24] <Bubbling_Zombie> you're gonna need a server and stuff. It's mostly used for counterstrike and the like [12:24] <j2dope> oh :| [12:24] <Erkan``> does the default ubuntu installation cd have gnome or kde in it? [12:24] <j2dope> umm is there any IM software for ubuntu that can handle it? i just wanna chat to my friend over msn basically [12:24] <raven3x7> anyone know how to enable alt+shift to change between languages? [12:24] <Bubbling_Zombie> http://www.goteamspeak.com/news.php [12:24] <dato> mmm, has anybody heard about /dev/inotify not getting created with the latest breezy kernels? (tested with -5- and -6-) [12:24] <Bubbling_Zombie> ubuntu = gnome, kubuntu = kde Erkan`` [12:25] <Bubbling_Zombie> j2dope i'm not that into voice chat software, sorry :-/ [12:25] <dilch> most negroes use straight ubuntu [12:25] <Erkan``> Bubbling_Zombie, thanks [12:26] <MartenH> raven: I made a simple implementation for that a cpl of days ago [12:27] <holycow> Bubbling_Zombie, cool link, thx [12:27] <MartenH> raven3x7, took me a while to figure out how to do it but now it works. [12:28] <raven3x7> MartenH, its easy during installation but i dont see any way to do it using the confguration tools [12:28] <holycow> Bubbling_Zombie, have you used teamspeak at all? just curious what your experience with it was [12:28] <MartenH> raven3x7, to enable switching with alt-shift? [12:28] <raven3x7> dilch ??? [12:28] <raven3x7> MartenH, yes [12:28] <Bubbling_Zombie> holycow i used it once. sound quality aint that great (like skype) but we understood each other [12:28] <dilch> raven3x7, you are a negro woman i take it? [12:28] <Bubbling_Zombie> it's not that bandwith expensive too [12:29] <dato> fabbione: ah, seems you said something in #ubuntu-kernel [12:29] <MartenH> Didn't know that was possible during installation. You can install several languages but I never found the alt-shift switching.... [12:29] <dato> not much, tho [12:29] <tchmnky> *yawn* Nothing quite like Ubuntu breaking sound on a Sunday afternoon... Any clues anyone? Damn Small Linux works just fine with it, but I can't even get cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp to reproduce anything. [12:29] <raven3x7> dilch stop taking crack [12:30] <holycow> Bubbling_Zombie, neat. this could be a cool thing to try [12:30] <Bubbling_Zombie> it is. If you're into that kinda stuff [12:30] <MartenH> raven3x7, anyway, I made it work using xbindkeys and the modmap command, I can help you set it up that way if you want [12:30] <raven3x7> MartenH, when i installed it with greek as the default it enabled alt-shift by default [12:30] <raven3x7> MartenH, that would be cool [12:31] <tucoz> Hi, I can't get sound to work on my laptop. I can see the audio card when I type lspci [12:32] <Octane> this is such a lame question but i cant figure it out -- i used to have colors in my konsole for dirs, symlinks, etc... but now theyre all gone -- i have played around w/ schemas etc but to no avail anyone know what gives [12:32] <Creig> Hey, anyone willing to respond, I am looking for a PCI soundcard which is compatible with linux out of the box. Please advise of such a card. Thanks [12:32] <Catdaemon`> Im using SSH and i closed the window showing what my server app was doing, how to i see what is doing again? [12:32] <tucoz> But kde sends all sound to /dev/null [12:32] <tchmnky> ln -s /dev/null /dev/dsp :) [12:32] <tchmnky> That's a joke. Really, don't do that. [12:32] <tucoz> hehe [12:33] <tchmnky> Sound is a pain right now for me too. [12:33] <tchmnky> It was working great last night, now Ubuntu just ignores it. Live distros work just grand though. [12:33] <holycow> Catdaemon`, ssh back in again? :o) [12:33] <Catdaemon`> yeah but [12:34] <Catdaemon`> it just shows [12:34] <tucoz> Ok, I am actually quite happy right now. I just got my laptop to use 1280x800 resolution. It's beautiful. [12:34] <Catdaemon`> the normal console window [12:34] <Catdaemon`> not the program's one holycow [12:34] <holycow> Catdaemon`, hard to guess, depends on the program [12:35] <darksatanic> Catdaemon`: If you've lost the terminal that was showing the output of a job, then I don't think there's anything you can do to recover it. [12:35] <holycow> how did you startup your client the first time? and what client is it? [12:35] <Catdaemon`> source dedicated server [12:35] <tucoz> btw, does anyone know if the ubuntu-hoary kernel uses pci-express? [12:35] <Catdaemon`> darksatanic: im doing it via ssh, im not just leaving my comp on so the ssh window stays up [12:36] <darksatanic> A ssh session is still a terminal. [12:36] <holycow> Catdaemon`, not sure i am not familiar with that app or how it works, it could be anything in the popeline [12:36] <holycow> pipeline even [12:36] <darksatanic> (Well, OK, it's a pseudoterminal, but...) [12:36] <Catdaemon`> pope? lol [12:36] <holycow> >_< [12:36] <Catdaemon`> i thought it would be easy, obviously not :( [12:36] <darksatanic> I'd suggest using "screen" [12:36] <rkinder> Catdaemon: screen [12:37] <darksatanic> ssh in, run screen, run your program inside that shell. [12:37] <darksatanic> Disconnect from the ssh session, and screen keeps running. [12:37] <Catdaemon`> :o [12:37] <darksatanic> When you reconnect, "screen -r" to regain your session. [12:37] <rkinder> Catdaemon: screen is the most useful program in the history of the world... :) [12:38] <Catdaemon`> lol [12:38] <darksatanic> I wouldn't go quite that far... [12:38] <dato> fabbione: ok, found about #13056. cheers. [12:38] <darksatanic> I'm sure sed is more useful. :) [12:38] <rkinder> darksatanic: heresy! [12:39] <rkinder> s/sed/screen [12:40] <tchmnky> Anyone have a clue what would cause catting /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp to not produce any sound when it's the only sound device, and live distros can access the soundcard just fine? [12:40] <Will_> All randomness in the world has ended. [12:40] <som1> theres no such thing as random [12:41] <tchmnky> That was random. [12:41] <Will_> <-trolling BEFORE work now. Hooray for 12 hour shifts 2 days rynning [12:42] <tchmnky> I don't think that's the problem - catting /dev/urandom to the terminal gives me aaaaaall sorts of freaky characters and beep codes... [12:42] <tchmnky> :) [12:42] <tchmnky> I think we still have pseudo randomness. [12:42] <som1> i wanna use a proxy for a game that doesnt support proxies, im not on the gnome thingie and i dont have X running. i have a very good reason to do this, how do i do it by command? [12:43] <tikka> som1, been banned? [12:43] <tikka> ;p [12:43] <som1> no [12:43] <Will_> som1: some kind of socks magic? I used sockscap on windows for things like that [12:44] <tikka> Will_, same as you. [12:44] <tikka> worked ok too [12:44] <Will_> tikka: Huh? [12:44] <tikka> socks wrapper [12:44] <Will_> ahhh [12:44] <som1> well, i just want to connect by proxy. everywhere [12:44] <tikka> ive used that sockscap also [12:44] <som1> hah it didnt work for me [12:44] <som1> :( [12:45] <floo> I have just statically compiled kernel 2.6.11 using the ubuntu 2.6.11 source and the generic method of compilation e.g. make mrproper, make, make install. the kernel boots without a problem but i can't get the nvidia glx driver to work. any ideas? [12:46] <tikka> floo, i havent a clue but im doing the same with ati at the moment ;/ [12:47] <tikka> i got me a nice shiny kernel, 2.6.12.3 [12:47] <tikka> the direct rendering is off [12:47] <tikka> ;/ [12:48] <floo> I know, I would have made it using make -kpkg, which I believe is the Debian way but I don't really understand that method [12:50] <holycow> hard to help on custom kernel issues, but its cool to see people trying to do it them selves :) [12:51] <som1> how can i tell ubuntu to use a proxy for something or everything? [12:52] <AndieB> Hi all, the Newbie is back! [12:56] <AndieB> How do I install jEdit that requires Java? [12:56] <AndieB> Remember, I'm a total newbie, who just left the Microsoft world... :D [12:57] <holycow> no worries [12:57] <som1> i thought its gedit, not jedit [12:57] <holycow> AndieB, does jedit simply come in a jar file? [12:57] <holycow> som1, gedit is a different app for sure [12:58] <holycow> if it just comes in a jar file you need to install java, then just startup the app as: javae -jar jedit.jar [12:58] <holycow> or something like that [12:58] <Madpilot> spelling counts with CLI... "java -jar jedit.jar" [12:58] <Madpilot> ;) [12:59] <holycow> damnit! [12:59] <holycow> lol [01:01] <holycow> what Madpilot said :) [01:01] <holycow> ha! [01:01] <AndieB> holycow: Yes, it does... [01:01] <Madpilot> although "javae" sounds like the Latin word for coffee... [01:01] <Madpilot> !java [01:01] <ubotu> hmm... java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added. [01:01] <Madpilot> AndieB: see ubotu's post for java info [01:01] <holycow> heh i had another cool type earlier, typed popeline instead of pipeline [01:01] <Madpilot> popeline - what the Pontiff uses to get online [01:01] <Madpilot> (the Vatican has a terrible website, BTW...) [01:01] <reiken> hi, juz got ubuntu installed, but can't seem to get my RGB output for a digital projector working.... any hints? [01:01] <holycow> i wouldnt expect the pope to be a good graphic designer [01:01] <tikka> maybe he is an artist [01:01] <Madpilot> not the previous one, anyway. a bit shaky toward the end... [01:01] <holycow> reiken, can you describe what the issue is more specifically? [01:01] <helmut__> hello [01:02] <tikka> morning holycow [01:02] <tikka> ;p [01:02] <holycow> hi tikka :) [01:02] <helmut__> i have to enter 'iwconfig wlan0 key open' on every boot before i can access the internet. Where can i enter this command to be permanently executed?! (/etc/network/interfaces?) [01:02] <holycow> helmut__, yes [01:03] <redlounge> hi. anyone using bbacpi here? i can not get it to run... [01:03] <helmut__> holycow, what do i have to enter there? [01:03] <wezzer-> helmut__: or /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh [01:04] <helmut__> holycow, currently i have a line like "wireless-key 1561561156115165156" in it [01:04] <holycow> that sounds right, you can man interfaces btw [01:04] <helmut__> wezzer-, will it be executed *before* ubuntu tries to synchronize my clock? :-) [01:04] <holycow> helmut__, thats not working? [01:04] <wezzer-> helmut__: I don't know, try :) [01:05] <aford> hi I am a new ubuntu user wanting to install php5 [01:05] <som1> aford, use sudo apt-cache search php [01:05] <holycow> aford, k. [01:05] <reiken> ok, i've got a IBM R51 where i juz installed ubuntu, the digital projector can't seem to detect any RGB signal despite the fact that everything is connected [01:05] <reiken> it just says no signal [01:05] <holycow> reiken, that is a hardware issue imho [01:05] <Madpilot> aford: php5 has to be compiled. php4 is in Ubuntu's repos. [01:06] <holycow> reiken, you did properly switch from lcd to video out mode on the laptop with whatever shortcut is required? [01:06] <Madpilot> aford: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PHP5FromSource <-- if you really want to compile php5 [01:07] <aford> does it take long to install php5? [01:07] <holycow> no, to compile, yes [01:07] <helmut__> wezzer-, thx for the tip i will try it [01:07] <helmut__> holycow, thank you too :-) [01:07] <luzbelito> hi to all. anyone knows how to exe app under WINE windowed and in 1024x768 please??? [01:07] <Madpilot> no idea, I just installed php4. much easier [01:07] <aford> holycow, madpilot: how long will it take to complile? [01:07] <wezzer-> depends on your system [01:08] <holycow> aford, depends on your cpu, not sure offhand [01:08] <aford> its a celeron 2000 [01:08] <aford> 512 ram.. [01:08] <holycow> luzbelito, i think you need to run wine-setup or something like that to configure wine it self for that resolution [01:08] <aford> I mean, will it take hours? or under an hour? [01:08] <holycow> not hours no [01:08] <brammator> not hours [01:08] <brammator> days maybe [01:09] <holycow> could be 10 minuts could be 20, not sure never bothered compiling php [01:09] <Madpilot> got to get some sleep - suddenly it's 0410 here. later, all. [01:09] <raven3x7> anyone what this means: [01:09] <holycow> Madpilot, weird, are you on the west coast? [01:09] <raven3x7> This is an iso-8859-7 mapping. Use together with "setfont iso07. activated by sending Esc ( K to the console. [01:09] <Madpilot> holycow: yeah. BC [01:09] <holycow> lol no kidding [01:09] <holycow> me too [01:10] <Madpilot> holycow: where in BC? [01:10] <holycow> vancouver, u? [01:10] <Madpilot> victoria - overseas from you... [01:10] <tikka> hm [01:10] <aford> I am amazed at how easy this os has been to install! [01:10] <holycow> burgundavia is over there too i think [01:10] <holycow> neat [01:11] <luzbelito> holycow, impossible to configure from setup. i think its in command line. i tried to do it, but i can't get it [01:11] <Crafty-Catcher> Does anyone know how to get lynx work with aview? [01:11] <Madpilot> holycow: yup - even worse: Burgundavia is my younger brother... [01:11] <holycow> ehe [01:11] <holycow> rofl [01:11] <holycow> allrighy :) [01:11] <co-ind> hellow [01:11] <[Spooky] > hey folks :) [01:11] <co-ind> how install xmms ? [01:11] <Madpilot> there's another Ubuntuite over here too. quite a collection... [01:12] <Random_Sindrom> co-ind apt-get install xmms [01:12] <Madpilot> anyway, I really do need sleep. Later, all. [01:12] <holycow> luzbelito, there isnt a resolution pulldown menu from one of the sections on the left hand side? [01:12] <holycow> weird [01:12] <holycow> maybe it was for something ielse, okay sorry, don't know luzbelito [01:12] <co-ind> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate <<<<??? [01:13] <luzbelito> how you invoke linux setup ???? wine-setup doesnt do it [01:13] <co-ind> why ? [01:13] <raven3x7> noone? [01:13] <thoreauputic> co-ind: you need the universe repository [01:13] <holycow> co-ind, apt-cache search xmms [01:13] <thoreauputic> !rpos [01:13] <ubotu> thoreauputic: I haven't a clue [01:13] <holycow> and you will see :) [01:13] <thoreauputic> !repos [01:13] <ubotu> repos is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [01:13] <holycow> or that [01:13] <co-ind> libflac6 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - runtime C library <<< [01:14] <co-ind> libsmpeg0 - SDL MPEG Player Library - shared libraries <<< what next ? [01:14] <holycow> yeah hes right, you need universe [01:14] <Random_Sindrom> co-ind edit sources file [01:14] <Crafty-Catcher> Another question is what is the system doing after booting, if you do not enter a login name and pw - bec after a while like 5minutes displaying the login screen the comp start working and fills the RAM with sth. Does onyone know with what it's filling the RAM? [01:14] <co-ind> where ? [01:15] <thoreauputic> co-ind: read the page ubotu posted above to see how to add repositories :) [01:15] <holycow> Crafty-Catcher, gnome? depends, how much ram does your system have? [01:15] <rowanjl> Hey [01:15] <Crafty-Catcher> 200 MB [01:15] <Crafty-Catcher> after booting about 140MB are filled [01:15] <Random_Sindrom> yes...co-ind all that is in the hoary guide [01:15] <holycow> how gnome needs very little [01:15] <thoreauputic> co-ind: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto << in case you missed it :) [01:15] <rowanjl> Can I ge Ubuntu to download and install the latest Gnome version? I'm using warty. [01:15] <Crafty-Catcher> after waiting for 5 minutes 191 MB is filled [01:16] <holycow> Crafty-Catcher, sounds like you have a memory leak [01:16] <holycow> open up your system monitor and check which app is taking up the most ram [01:16] <brian__> hi [01:16] <Crafty-Catcher> the question is what is causing it ;) bec the only thing i installed is lynx, aview and apache [01:17] <holycow> Crafty-Catcher, is your setup headless? or is this on a desktop with gnome? [01:17] <Crafty-Catcher> i didn't login on that machine yet - whats the command via putty command line? [01:17] <Crafty-Catcher> it's a desktop [01:17] <Crafty-Catcher> but it's filling the ram without login in and loading all the desktop stuff [01:18] <Pixel83> Crafty-Catcher, are you talking about apache reporting a memory leak? [01:18] <holycow> Crafty-Catcher, top should do it [01:18] <Crafty-Catcher> no i think it happened even before i installed the apache [01:19] <warnet> hi [01:19] <andres> hi [01:19] <warnet> ini br ya [01:19] <holycow> maybe a process is out of control and you need to kill it, i.e. apache? :) [01:19] <Pixel83> it's just because I installed apache yesterday (but under debian sarge) (xampp to be exactly) and apache died just after startup [01:19] <Pixel83> but thats probably something different. [01:20] <warnet> hi [01:20] <Raptoid> selamlar.. [01:21] <ircrob> can you run wine on x86-64 [01:22] <holycow> theoretically debians 64 bit port works, so probably yes [01:22] <mjr> ircrob, yes, but you need an environment supporting 32-bit binaries too (like a 32-bit chroot) [01:22] <holycow> oh right what mjr said, right [01:22] <som1> how can i use a proxy for something if that something doesnt support proxies? [01:22] <Crafty-Catcher> hm after reading the top stuff i think it has sth to do with the apche [01:22] <ircrob> mjr: for the dlls ? [01:22] <holycow> Crafty-Catcher, yeah, kill it and see [01:22] <holycow> shit happens [01:22] <mjr> ircrob, no, for wine [01:22] <mjr> wine needs to be a 32-bit executable [01:23] <co-ind> why nothing [01:23] <xxenon> is there a package that provide win32 codecs, or shall I copy the DLL's myself ? [01:23] <co-ind> xmms [01:23] <holycow> xxenon, yep there is a package [01:23] <holycow> !win32codecs [01:23] <ubotu> holycow: Bugger all, i dunno [01:23] <holycow> damn :) [01:23] <holycow> w32codecs [01:23] <holycow> !w32codecs [01:23] <ubotu> [w32codecs] a set of codecs needed to play many common audio and video formats, such as WMV. You can install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org). [01:23] <thoreauputic> !w32codecs [01:23] <holycow> lol [01:23] <holycow> >_> [01:23] <thoreauputic> :) [01:23] <xxenon> k. [01:24] <som1> how can i use a proxy for something if that something doesnt support proxies? [01:24] <raven3x7> anyone know why setfont does not exist in ubuntu? [01:25] <peter__> somebodys using initng here? [01:25] <ircrob> is wine in hoary-extras ? [01:25] <holycow> som1, chances are you can set something up with a bit of work, but you will haveto google it [01:25] <holycow> setting up proxies can be tricky [01:25] <holycow> if an app doesn't expect a proxy you may have a few difficulties [01:25] <som1> i have a few already [01:25] <som1> thats why i want to use one .. [01:25] <thoreauputic> ircrob: wine is in universe [01:26] <holycow> som1, *nod* irc is really only good for 1 dimensional conversations and questions [01:26] <som1> what? [01:26] <holycow> anything that takes a bit more than two sentences really wont be answered here to any satisfaction [01:26] <holycow> i really do recommend google [01:27] <vader1102> holycow: that's how I get a lot of answers lol [01:27] <holycow> vader1102, for the simple quickies its great [01:27] <holycow> nothing like peer reviewed support [01:28] <vader1102> and for the detailed fixes too as long as you READ carefully lol [01:28] <ircrob> thoreauputic: have universe in sources, but cannot get wine ? [01:28] <thoreauputic> ircrob: odd - you aren't running amd64 are you? [01:28] <ircrob> thoreauputic: yes i am [01:28] <thoreauputic> ircrob: ah [01:29] <thoreauputic> ircrob: I don't think wine will be available then - it requires 32 bit : you would need a chroot and have to muck about [01:30] <holycow> ircrob, he's right, i've seen a number of 3d animation guys haveto do this as well for their apps [01:30] <raven3x7> hey anyone know how to change gnomes keyboard mapping? not the xserver one? [01:31] <Crafty-Catcher> ok this is wiered when i start the tool which displays me the RAM usage it says it only 110 MB are being used and a cat /proc/meminfo says 189 MB are used [01:31] <holycow> raven3x7, you mean besides system / pref / keyboard? [01:31] <holycow> blah, nm :) ehe [01:31] <holycow> i mean kb shortcuts, there we go [01:32] <anatole_> how do i make gqview the default picture-viewer? [01:32] <DaeDaluz> Gnome-panel crashed, is asked if I wanted to restart it, I clicked yes. and now It keeps giving errors "I've detected a panel already running. and will now exit." [01:32] <DaeDaluz> Can I stop it? [01:32] <Softarn> is it illegal to access other ppls wireless in usa? [01:32] <Crafty-Catcher> yes Softarn [01:32] <holycow> raven3x7, if you mean us vs othercountry layout it should in in keyboard preferences [01:32] <Softarn> hehe sweden rules [01:32] <Crafty-Catcher> someone was beeing arrested for doing that and has to stay in jail for some time now [01:33] <raven3x7> holycow yes that changes xkb [01:33] <raven3x7> holycow, i told gnome to override that [01:33] <ircrob> may be getting a bit technical, but setup a chroot, but my /home is on another partition, having some problems with that [01:33] <holycow> raven3x7, ah! okay. just out of curiosity, this results in what exactly that your not looking for? just curious what the issues is in more depth [01:34] <vader1102> Craft-Catcher: it is here in Canada too but they don't really enforce it or they would have stores quit selling the snoopers [01:34] <Crafty-Catcher> i know - here in germany they do enforce it but i read the news how canada deals with it [01:34] <vader1102> lol [01:34] <holycow> what news about canada? [01:34] <holycow> link? [01:34] <vader1102> it is funny isn't it [01:35] <raven3x7> holycow i cant change to greek although my default keymap in xkb is greek [01:35] <Crafty-Catcher> somewhere on spiegel.de ;) (in germany of course shout be about 2 month old) [01:35] <Crafty-Catcher> germany=german [01:35] <vader1102> holy cow we are talking about how the cnandian gvnmt doesn't really enforce the wireless laws [01:36] <holycow> raven3x7, weird :/ i don't have an answer to that i'm sorry [01:36] <holycow> vader1102, well yeah, ehe :) [01:36] <holycow> Crafty-Catcher, i thought you had a link or something? [01:36] <vader1102> I live south of TO and here they sell the snoopers pretty cheap lol [01:37] <holycow> you must of read this somewhere [01:37] <Crafty-Catcher> i told you use the seachr function on www.spiegel.de [01:37] <holycow> vader1102, you mean laptops with wireless cards, right? ;) [01:37] <vader1102> yup, I got one and an actuall snooper [01:37] <holycow> Crafty-Catcher, heh, i think your reading some german nonsense [01:37] <holycow> :) [01:38] <holycow> read some canadian newspapers before you come to a conclusion [01:38] <anatole_> how do i make ls to show only the directories? [01:38] <vader1102> holycow: he will, we were just chattin about it [01:39] <holycow> anatole_, ls -d strangely enough :) [01:39] <holycow> you can man ls too tho :) [01:39] <Crafty-Catcher> i don't have to comment on that - you could say the same in reverse about every country - i just read that they aren't that "active" on catching illegeal wlan users [01:39] <aford> Im trying to install phpMyAdmin, and cant find it in Synaptic [01:39] <anatole_> yep i tried but for some strange reason it does not work the way i want it [01:39] <anatole_> i mean my there are folders and subfolders, and in the subfolders, files [01:39] <Seveas> aford, simply download it from the phpmyadmin site [01:40] <anatole_> i want to list the dirs and subdirs so i tried ls -d -R [01:40] <vader1102> Crafty-Catcher: you are right my friend [01:40] <holycow> Crafty-Catcher, not only is the law on this vague, so is your statement [01:40] <anatole_> but it showed only a "." [01:40] <aford> are there mirrors that I should add to my sources.list for this sort of thing? [01:40] <holycow> they have caught some dude in toronto in a car surfing kiddie porn on a wireless lang outside someones house [01:40] <Seveas> aford, it requires no 'installing', you put it in a folder unpack it, edit the config and done :) [01:40] <vader1102> sorry for bringing it up [01:40] <holycow> but he didn't go to the pogey for the wireless access it was for the stuff on his laptop [01:40] <holycow> and the fact he was naked in his car [01:40] <aford> Seveas thanks! [01:41] <ircrob> here is a mount question, have /home/rob and /media/sda3/rob what do i put in fstab ? [01:41] <Seveas> ircrob, depends on what you want :) [01:41] <ircrob> Seveas: /home/rob as the link [01:42] <ircrob> Seveas: /home/rob as the mount [01:42] <holycow> on the other hand there was some guy in the states that got trumped up on some charges for using a wireless network without auth ... but thats america [01:42] <Seveas> you know that that makes everything that's currently in /home/rob unreachable.... [01:42] <holycow> whatever they do does not really apply up here, its lik enight and day between the two countries in terms of how and what they prosecute for [01:43] <ircrob> Seveas: so mount on /home ? [01:43] <thoreauputic> anatole_: ls -lR | grep ^d should work [01:43] <vader1102> holycow: I appoligized for talking him about this [01:43] <Seveas> ircrob, that would make everything currently in /home unreachable :) [01:43] <tucoz> Is the correct way to change from gdm to kdm to edit /etc/inittab? [01:43] <rowanjl> Hmm, how do I get rhythembox installed in warty? [01:44] <holycow> vader1102, how come? [01:44] <Seveas> ircrob, simply do ln -s /media/sda3/rob /home/rob/rob [01:44] <Crafty-Catcher> well anyways holycow as much as i know about canada my plans are to leave germany one day and enter canada ;) [01:44] <Seveas> that way you'll get a 'rob' folder inside your homedir [01:44] <vader1102> because I realized you were getting upset about it [01:44] <HiddenWolf> rowanjl: it should be installed [01:44] <Random_Sindrom> rowanjl: it is installed [01:44] <thoreauputic> rowanjl: it's installed by default - music player [01:44] <Seveas> rowanjl, sudo aptitude install rhythmbox [01:44] <HiddenWolf> rowanjl: and using warty at this piont is terribly outdated [01:44] <holycow> Crafty-Catcher, ehe, okay. why leaving germany? i'm just curious [01:44] <rowanjl> hah, I hate it when the app has the wrong name [01:44] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, it's still supported :) [01:45] <anatole_> thoreauputic: thanks but that lists files as well :) [01:45] <luzbelito> i can't install beep media player plugin. can anyone help me ? [01:45] <holycow> vader1102, what? [01:45] <LokeDK> I have this external floppy drive, and it doesn't get mounted automatically.. how do I do that my self? [01:45] <holycow> vader1102, relax [01:45] <vader1102> anyhow, I am sitting reading the text a good way of learning [01:45] <rowanjl> I don't have a copy of any later versions :( [01:45] <vader1102> I am now [01:45] <ircrob> Seveas: there is nothing in /home/rob [01:45] <kemik> rowanjl: add the hoary repos. and apt-get dist-upgrade [01:49] <HiddenWolf> Seveas: yeah, but it's ancient! :) [01:49] <kemik> !dist-upgrade [01:49] <tucoz> Do I just stop gdm, and start kdm instead? [01:49] <ubotu> kemik: No idea [01:49] <rowanjl> kemik, how big is it? [01:49] <tucoz> will that make kdm default? [01:49] <holycow> vader1102, as an aside, i don't get this channel sometimes, people get offended by a comma [01:49] <thoreauputic> anatole_: it should only list entries beginning with d - did you include the pipe? | grep ^d [01:49] <kemik> rowanjl: i dont know, are you on a slow connection ? [01:49] <vader1102> lol [01:49] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, compared to any other distro it's not :) [01:49] <rowanjl> kemik, yep [01:49] <holycow> put an apostrophy on the wrong part of a sentence and we have a flamewar [01:49] <Seveas> rowanjl, 600MB possibly [01:49] <holycow> its irc dudes :) [01:49] <vader1102> sorry I may have mis-read something [01:49] <Mondoshawan> hi! somebody knows how to configure ftpd? [01:49] <rowanjl> Seveas, to big [01:49] <Seveas> rowanjl, then stick with warty :) [01:49] <kemik> rowanjl: order the CD and upgrade from that then perhaps [01:49] <Seveas> rowanjl, at http://shipit.ubuntu.com you can order free cds [01:49] <holycow> Mondoshawan, well depends on the ftpd [01:49] <HiddenWolf> rowanjl: *Free* cd [01:49] <Random_Sindrom> rowanjl...don't you have the hoary cd yet..? [01:49] <ZincX> are there programs to open .gp3 and .gp4 files ? [01:49] <rowanjl> kemik, have done, but thats how I got warty so it makes me wait :/ [01:49] <holycow> which one do you have installed? and what do you need to confi? [01:49] <Seveas> ZincX, what are they? [01:49] <Random_Sindrom> I upgrade from cd...with no harms... [01:49] <anatole_> thoreauputic: it works now... it lists in some strange way tho :) [01:49] <ZincX> Seveas, guitar pro files [01:49] <DJ_Necrogami> they need to update Ruby package to 1.8.2 [01:49] <Seveas> they won't DJ_Necrogami [01:49] <Seveas> unless it's a security upgrade [01:49] <DJ_Necrogami> ~.~ [01:49] <DJ_Necrogami> gah [01:49] <holycow> DJ_Necrogami, just wait for the next release [01:49] <rowanjl> Thats right isn't it? If you got a copy of warty from shipit, you have to wait longer to get a copy of hoary... [01:49] <holycow> releases are only 6 months appart anyway [01:49] <Seveas> ZincX, apt-cache search guitar shows a few candidates... [01:49] <DJ_Necrogami> Notes to all Users of Rails .. unless ya upgrade/install manually Ruby w/ Rails dont work [01:49] <rowanjl> When did hoary arrive? :) [01:49] <DJ_Necrogami> Rubygems wont install [01:49] <Seveas> rowanjl, you will *not* automatically get copys of hoary cd's [01:49] <Crafty-Catcher> bec. i don't like it hehe - i think that the ppl are all only complaining and don't see anymore that they live a much easier and much more comfotable life than quite a lot of other ppl on this world. and furthermore i don't like the government situtaion atm especially the policy how to deal with foreigners (and it seems it's getting worse in the closer future) maybe i think like that bec my fiance is from malaysia [01:49] <Seveas> you will have to order them [01:49] <holycow> DJ_Necrogami, well, have you tried debian maybe? [01:49] <Random_Sindrom> rowanjl: hoary is already delivered [01:49] <rowanjl> Seveas, I have, but I don't know if it worked [01:49] <DJ_Necrogami> yea i havent dived into that mess heh [01:49] <Seveas> Random_Sindrom, it's still being sent out [01:49] <DJ_Necrogami> i need a sources list for debian packages [01:49] <Seveas> they send 120.000 cds per week... [01:50] <thoreauputic_> anatole_: sorry - ISP cut me off - did you see my post re: pipe? [01:50] <rowanjl> Random_Sindrom, your point? [01:50] <holycow> Seveas, wow [01:50] <rowanjl> Amazing [01:51] <Mondoshawan> Ok, i have installed ftpd and i create a new user ... (with ssh i can connect with this user and the homedir. ist the right one) but i can not connect to ftp with this account why? [01:51] <DJ_Necrogami> holycow know where i can get deb' [01:51] <HiddenWolf> Seveas: 120.000? [01:51] <DJ_Necrogami> deb's for my sources.list? [01:51] <HiddenWolf> DJ_Necrogami: debs for what? [01:51] <holycow> DJ_Necrogami, what? [01:51] <HiddenWolf> Ubuntu has everything debian has in it's universe [01:51] <holycow> HiddenWolf, he's looking for a higher version of ruby for ror [01:51] <DJ_Necrogami> i ment for the Debian Package Directory [01:52] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, yes, 120.000 [01:52] <Seveas> a total of little over 2 million so far [01:52] <rowanjl> Seveas, you mean 120,000 right? [01:52] <Seveas> DJ_Necrogami, you mean something like packaged.debian.org / packages.ubuntu.com ..? [01:52] <vader1102> Seveas: I am waiting for mine right now lol, ordered them last week so I have a while to wait lol [01:52] <HiddenWolf> DJ_Necrogami: you'll have to look at the ruby site what the latest version is, and if they supply debs. Then use packages.debian.org to figure out if there are packages for that version [01:52] <Mondoshawan> Ok, i have installed ftpd and i create a new user ... (with ssh i can connect with this user and the homedir. ist the right one) but i can not connect to ftp with this account why? [01:53] <Mondoshawan> Can somebody help me? [01:53] <Seveas> rowanjl, i meant one-hundred twenty thousand :) [01:53] <rowanjl> Yeah [01:53] <ZincX> anyone know ? a program i can use to open guitar pro files ? [01:53] <vader1102> Mondoshawn: if they know the answer they will respond [01:53] <holycow> ZincX, i think only gpro can open those files, however on another note, what kind of guitar do you play? [01:53] <DJ_Necrogami> meh i installed it manually just i need other libs for what im working on .. its a pain [01:54] <ZincX> holycow, :P electric [01:54] <anatole_> ZincX: dguitar [01:54] <vader1102> brb coffee time and also put a movie in [01:54] <ZincX> anatole_, dguitar ? [01:54] <holycow> ehe <_< [01:54] <anatole_> it sucks imo however [01:54] <ZincX> anatole_, but i can open those files aen ? [01:54] <anatole_> yes [01:55] <ircrob> vader1102: put a movie in what ? [01:55] <vader1102> my tv dvd player [01:56] <ircrob> vader1102: i put movies in my PC :-) [01:57] <vader1102> I do when I aint working on them lol [01:57] <holycow> anatole_, thx for that, i've never heard of it before [01:57] <holycow> neat [01:57] <holycow> i should package that up [01:57] <holycow> ah no need, java, nice [01:58] <znh> i'm searching a swf decompiler, does anyone know some? [01:59] <paulproteus> /who #ubuntu [01:59] <paulproteus> Oops. [01:59] <znh> :P [01:59] <rowanjl> Anyone know of a repo with php5 in it? [02:02] <znh> rowanjl: If you want a fast as possible webserver you should compile it from source [02:03] <paulproteus> znh: ? [02:03] <rowanjl> true [02:03] <paulproteus> znh: Apache is no faster compiled from source than compiled by Ubuntu. [02:03] <paulproteus> znh: People who tell you otherwise don't understand how computers work. [02:04] <znh> paulproteus: I disagree, programs from source are always faster, because they are being optimized for the processor [02:04] <paulproteus> znh: And I disagree - programs optimized for a particular compiler (EXCEPT the really math-heavy ones) tend to be just as fast but have bigger binaries [02:04] <holycow> znh, you have at least one gentoo box on the shefl i'm guessing? [02:04] <holycow> :) [02:04] <paulproteus> and bigger binaries means more cache misses and more loads from disk. [02:04] <paulproteus> znh: Take a computer architecture class. [02:05] <znh> paulproteus: I had gentoo yes, but that has nothing to do with this [02:05] <paulproteus> znh: Now, *yes*, very math-intensive things like mplayer could benefit. But not disk-bound programs like Apach.e [02:05] <paulproteus> I didn't bring up Gentoo, holycow did. [02:05] <holycow> znh, i'm kidden :) [02:06] <rowanjl> flamers, now my question? [02:06] <holycow> k. go [02:06] <znh> paulproteus: dude, apache can be even more intensive as mplayer - if the apache server gets many requests it really does mather if it's compiled from source or not, I have a two webservers at myself - http://www.openhost.nl [02:06] <paulproteus> rowanjl: Oh, right, sorry. ;) [02:06] <paulproteus> znh: That's false. Memory-intensive: yes. [02:06] <holycow> oh repo with php5, try backports [02:06] <paulproteus> That's why bad optimization settings hurt you. CPU intensive: No. [02:06] <rowanjl> holycow, for warty? [02:06] <znh> paulproteus: mate, you can say what ever you want, but it really does mather :) [02:06] <holycow> if its not there chances are it doesn't exist as an ubuntu ready binary ... you might google for debian repost for it [02:07] <paulproteus> znh: You can say whatever you want, but I do suggest you take a computer architecture class. [02:07] <paulproteus> Sorry, I was a little harsh. [02:07] <holycow> for warty? i won't ask but i've not heard of it [02:08] <tikka> meow [02:08] <rowanjl> bark [02:08] <kemik> woof [02:08] <vader1102> holycow: I was using warty for a week or so, never could get my sound working in it. Hoary did it auto magically [02:08] <ArdieM> is anyone playing nwn on linux in here? [02:08] <holycow> vader1102, *nod* yep [02:08] <raven3x7> hi again [02:08] <holycow> hola [02:08] <kemik> but there's still issues with Hoary and sound [02:08] <lindsay> hello I am trying to access my NTFS partitions through /media in Konqueror, I cant access them unless I go kdesu is there a way to access it as my normal user? [02:09] <rowanjl> I'll end up using either FC4, or Hoary, depending on what cds I get first [02:09] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows [02:09] <ubotu> somebody said mountwindows was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions [02:09] <holycow> kemik, always, both printing and sound are weird areas on linux [02:09] <kemik> lindsay: specify uid=1001 and gid=1001 (if thats your user that want acces) [02:09] <onur> how do i xkill in gnome ? [02:09] <lindsay> how? [02:09] <thoreauputic> lindsay: the botom part of ubotu's page might help you [02:09] <onur> kemik, trk msn ? [02:10] <vader1102> when I get my Hoary cd's I am going to convert a few of my customers [02:10] <thoreauputic> *bottom [02:10] <kemik> holycow: mmh, trying to get CUPS and my printer to work, not having much luck so far [02:10] <kemik> onur: no [02:10] <raven3x7> anyone seen this x error before http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/842 [02:10] <onur> kemik, but you know turkish ? [02:10] <paulproteus> lindsay: Step 4 in particular. [02:10] <kemik> onur: no, not really [02:10] <onur> ok [02:10] <lindsay> how can I find my UID and GID? [02:10] <onur> how do i xkill in gnome ? [02:10] <paulproteus> onur: Alt-F2 [02:10] <paulproteus> type xkill [02:11] <paulproteus> Then notice the mouse cursor goes to the evil xkill thing. Click on the window you want to blow up. [02:11] <thoreauputic> lindsay: type id in a terminal [02:11] <onur> as a shortcut like kde ? [02:11] <rowanjl> I have a box where xbill is really xkill :/ [02:11] <rowanjl> Its actually running RedHat 5.2 :P [02:11] <holycow> paulproteus, heh, i've not seen that b4 [02:12] <holycow> paulproteus, is that what the force quit applet does too? [02:12] <onur> paulproteus, any keyboard short cuts like in kde ? [02:12] <paulproteus> holycow: That's not the force quit applet. [02:12] <paulproteus> holycow: This is the force quit applet from 1992. :) [02:12] <holycow> heh [02:12] <holycow> :) [02:12] <Mez> holycow, php5 isnt in bp [02:12] <paulproteus> holycow: It's bound to ctrl-alt-esc in KDE, hence onur's question (and familiarity). onur, I don't know. [02:12] <paulproteus> onur: Maybe there's a general way to customize keyboard shortcuts in GNOME. [02:12] <holycow> Mez, yeah then it probably hasn't been packaged [02:13] <onur> yeah there is but just curious if theres a built in one [02:13] <Mez> holycow, is there a demand for it/ [02:13] <holycow> Mez, someone asked for it earlier, so i persume current demmand == 1 [02:13] <raven3x7> huh now it works? [02:14] <holycow> hehe [02:14] <Mez> rowanjl, what was that for ? [02:15] <onur> in java applets i can't hear sound (where i know i should) why ? [02:15] <rowanjl> I'm the demand [02:15] <PrimoTurbo> How can I hide a folder in ubuntu? [02:15] <onur> does anyone know ? [02:15] <thoreauputic> onur: just a guess - the java applet doesn't understand esd [02:15] <LinuxJones> onur, System >> Preferences >> Keyboard Shortcuts [02:15] <holycow> PrimoTurbo, add a . to the beginning of the name [02:15] <onur> thoreauputic, what is esd ? [02:15] <blastmanu> hi [02:15] <PrimoTurbo> an a? [02:15] <thoreauputic> onur: Enlightened Sound Daemon [02:15] <onur> thoreauputic, i know that applet gives sound in Suse [02:15] <PrimoTurbo> so if it was named test, then it would be atest [02:15] <kemik> PrimoTurbo: no a "." [02:16] <PrimoTurbo> ohh [02:16] <onur> thoreauputic, is there a way to fix it ? [02:16] <PrimoTurbo> will the folder then be named .name [02:16] <thoreauputic> onur: probably Suse is using artsd (if KDE) [02:16] <holycow> heh yes [02:16] <kemik> PrimoTurbo: yes [02:16] <PrimoTurbo> Because I'm trying to hide the incomplete folder for limewire [02:16] <onur> LinuxJones, what am i suppose to find there ? [02:16] <vader1102> I am using suse9.2 on my desktop pc lol [02:16] <onur> thoreauputic, is there way to fix ? [02:17] <PrimoTurbo> and limewire uses "Incomplete" I cannot even rename it to "incomplete" [02:17] <PrimoTurbo> will the . mess that up? [02:17] <kemik> not sure how limewire works, but probably so [02:17] <onur> vader1102, ther are enormous number of bugs in Suse, it is heavy strong and a lot slow [02:17] <holycow> vader1102, and asking for help in #ubuntu because? [02:17] <holycow> -_- [02:17] <thoreauputic> onur: there probably is, but I don't know it offhand - you could try killing esd before running it [02:17] <PrimoTurbo> damn [02:17] <kemik> PrimoTurbo: linux is case-sensitive so "incomplete" and "Incomplete" are different names [02:17] <PrimoTurbo> alright, thnx anyway [02:17] <PrimoTurbo> yeah I know [02:18] <LinuxJones> onur, you were looking for keyboard shortcuts ? [02:18] <thoreauputic> onur: I know very little about esd and sound, sorry [02:18] <onur> thoreauputic, but in that case i cant hear anything [02:18] <onur> LinuxJones, yeah but there are nothing to do with xkill i suppose [02:18] <rowanjl> I'm not to worried about not having PHP5, after all, every single php editor for linux sucks [02:18] <thoreauputic> onur: did you try it? If it doesn't work you can restart esd with esd & [02:19] <onur> rowanjl, check out PRADO for php [02:19] <rowanjl> But one thing, am I stuck with just Firefox PR1!? [02:19] <onur> thoreauputic, i dont know how to do it [02:19] <thoreauputic> onur: some apps will only make sound without esd [02:19] <cafuego> wtf would you needa _php editor_ for? [02:19] <rowanjl> cafuego, editing PHP? [02:19] <LinuxJones> onur, you can add a Force Quit applet to your Gnome panel [02:19] <kemik> rowanjl: gvim ! :) [02:19] <cafuego> surely you _know_ the api [02:19] <onur> rowanjl, best editor for php is phpeclipse [02:19] <cafuego> vim works fine [02:20] <rowanjl> die you vile beast! [02:20] <kemik> ViM [02:20] <kemik> ;) [02:20] <thoreauputic> onur: type killall esd in a terminal, to start esd again type esd & [02:20] <onur> LinuxJones, how ? [02:20] <onur> thoreauputic, ok [02:20] <cafuego> if(in_array("vim", $good_for_php)) echo "Yeah"; [02:20] <rowanjl> onur, one day I'll download that [02:21] <rowanjl> onur, how does it handle xhtml, xml and css? [02:21] <LinuxJones> onur, right click the panel, click add to panel, scroll down to force quit, then hit add [02:21] <onur> rowanjl, it has autocomplete and , function and class folding just like visual stuodio for php [02:21] <cafuego> bloody hell, my cats are BAD [02:21] <rowanjl> onur, never used VS [02:22] <vader1102> I use gedit for the simple reaosn. simple to use [02:22] <rowanjl> So it has support for xhtml and css? [02:23] <cafuego> VS is probably the WORST editor I've ever used [02:23] <onur> rowanjl, anyway it is a good thing, i tried vim and the others. Obviously they are good but no specialized on php. Phpeclipse runs on eclipse 3.0.x is far best i saw [02:23] <cafuego> rowanjl: vim? yes. [02:23] <yonil> what's the linux "replacement" to windows's ipconfig ? [02:23] <rowanjl> No, eclipse [02:23] <kemik> eclipse is overall a great IDE [02:23] <LinuxJones> cafuego, cats are bad in general.... I like big lazy dogs :D [02:23] <kemik> yonil: ifconfig ? [02:23] <onur> LinuxJones, thanx it is done [02:23] <thoreauputic> yonil: ifconfig [02:23] <LinuxJones> onur, ;) [02:23] <cafuego> they're killing eachother and ran across my pizza [02:23] <LinuxJones> heh [02:23] <rowanjl> vim isn't gnome like, and its also a pain in the arse [02:24] <cafuego> rowanjl: Nothing is going to be BBEdit. vim is a good second. [02:24] <rowanjl> Never used BBEdit [02:24] <rowanjl> Mac only right? [02:24] <cafuego> Yep [02:25] <sexcopter8001m> bit off the linux topic, but what speed for a p4 would you equate a centrino 1.6 to? [02:25] <rowanjl> I've used PHP edit, its got the best syntax highlighting ever [02:25] <Ave> helo, is it safe to upgrade into breezy as of now? [02:25] <vader1102> I may try a mac g3 desktop, any suggestions on how to install Linux on it? [02:25] <cafuego> Ave: /topic. (no) [02:25] <DJ_Necrogami> anyone messed w/ ubuntu and getting 2Wire PCMCIA Wireless Card running? [02:25] <Ave> gotcha [02:25] <cafuego> vader1102: Is is a beige one? [02:25] <vader1102> yes lol [02:26] <poningru> Ave: whats your level of expertise? [02:26] <Ave> all in caps even [02:26] <cafuego> vader1102: With pain. [02:26] <Ave> used debian since potato for servers and desktop [02:26] <vader1102> I guess, never even fired it up lol [02:26] <poningru> if its high up there with the devs then go for it [02:26] <cafuego> Ave: It will be released in October. Just be patient. [02:26] <Ave> I recently put ubuntu into my laptop because I'm sick and tired of TINKERING with my desktops, servers should be enough [02:26] <cafuego> vader1102: Those guys (I think) don't support booting from the Ubuntu CD. [02:26] <LinuxJones> Here's a sneak preview of the upcoming Gnome 2.12 release scheduled for inclusion with Breezy Badger in October >> http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/ !! [02:26] <poningru> Ave: if you are remotely familiar with the code base go for it [02:26] <holycow> doesn't gnome release just before october too? [02:26] <rowanjl> kemik, tell me about gvim? [02:27] <poningru> september [02:27] <holycow> LinuxJones, thx! was just curious about that :) [02:27] <vader1102> nope, but it should boot to floppy then maybe point it to the cd [02:27] <Ave> breezy mainly interests bc of the new gnome, if its included [02:27] <cafuego> holycow: Tht's the point, I think. [02:27] <LinuxJones> holycow, :D [02:27] <cafuego> vader1102: Well... [02:27] <holycow> cafuego, i think i'm cluing in on the gameplan here >_> [02:27] <paulproteus> LinuxJones: I saw that on slashdot. It looks really good. [02:27] <kemik> rowanjl: it's gnome-vim [02:27] <holycow> hehehe [02:27] <holycow> <-- slow [02:28] <LinuxJones> paulproteus, it is gonna be awesome !! [02:28] <Ave> ok thanks guys I'll stick with hoary until october [02:28] <kemik> rowanjl: basically Vim with a gui [02:28] <rowanjl> kemik, can you make vim act more like a standard text editor? [02:28] <cafuego> vader1102: That would be a great idea if there as a bootable floppy image on the CD. [02:28] <asfra> ave: what happens in october? [02:28] <vader1102> or maybe I will savemy pennies for a few years and then buy a new notebook and just keep to what I know in a few years [02:28] <cafuego> rowanjl: In what way is vim not a standard text editor? [02:28] <holycow> asfra, next ubuntu release [02:28] <vader1102> true lol [02:28] <kemik> rowanjl: how do you mean? it's very keyboard-comman intense, but it's a great editor :) [02:29] <rowanjl> I just remember lots of keyboard stuff [02:29] <kemik> yup [02:29] <onur> thoreauputic, killing esd worked!! [02:29] <rowanjl> Ok, I'll try it, where can I get it? [02:29] <poningru> I had a qestion who is the module owner for the keyboard preference? [02:29] <thoreauputic> onur: :) [02:29] <cafuego> rowanjl: Your best bet is ANY editor with syntax highlighting that you like using. [02:29] <onur> thoreauputic, why do i need esd ? [02:29] <kemik> rowanjl: apt-get install gnome-vim [02:30] <rowanjl> cafuego, I'm yet to find the right one [02:30] <thoreauputic> onur: esd is evil but gnome uses it in Ubuntu [02:30] <cafuego> vader1102: Do you have the ppc install cd yet? [02:30] <kemik> rowanjl: vim-gnome i mean [02:30] <cafuego> vader1102: Most people tend to eventually settle on either vim OR emacs. [02:30] <Mez> rowanjl: building, cross your fingers [02:30] <onur> thoreauputic, what is the disadvantage of killing it [02:30] <holycow> onur, as a side point, if you are ever running cedega, and a game doesnt have sound, kill esd there too [02:30] <thoreauputic> onur: you *can* change to dmix and get rid of it [02:30] <rowanjl> Mez, cool [02:30] <holycow> then restart game via cedega [02:31] <lee> this may be a stupid question, but how do you switch between workspaces with the keyboard? [02:31] <Mez> rowanjl, if it builds properly, I'll poke infinity to make the neccesary changes and then get it backported to official [02:31] <onur> thoreauputic, and how it is that ? [02:31] <thoreauputic> onur: some apps won't work without it in the default Ubuntu setup [02:31] <paulproteus> lee: Ctrl-Alt-Right arrow [02:31] <paulproteus> Or left arrow. [02:31] <lee> aaah, thanks! [02:31] <vader1102> cafugo: I have a hard time using vim so I will look at the emacs then [02:31] <rowanjl> Ok [02:31] <lee> it's not mentioned in the docs, and I haven't used gnome in ages [02:31] <Mez> or ctrl tab in kde (for lee) [02:32] <cafuego> vader1102: That went to the wrong person. [02:32] <rowanjl> kemik, no good, E: Package vim-gnome has no installation candidate [02:32] <cafuego> vader1102: Do you have the ppc install cd yet? [02:32] <thoreauputic> onur: I'm not supposed to recommend the ubuntuguide, acording to Seveas and a few other dictatorial types here *wink* [02:32] <vader1102> lol [02:32] <paulproteus> lee: I think I stumbled across it in my usual new-desktop-environment keyboard-mashing. :) [02:32] <lee> Mez: thanks handy to know too, thanks [02:32] <vader1102> no idea haven't used the mac yet, not even outof the box...waiting for a rainy day [02:32] <PrimoTurbo> I downloaded a firefox theme, how do I install it in ubuntu? [02:33] <holycow> heh [02:33] <rowanjl> PrimoTurbo, the same way you do everywhere else? [02:33] <PrimoTurbo> The theme is in .tar.bz2 format, where do I need to put it or extract it? [02:33] <lee> I've been using fluxbox and alt-[12345] for years... hd died so I'm trying out ubuntu [02:33] <holycow> the nautilus trolls will love 2.12 [02:33] <holycow> spatial free nautilus [02:33] <rowanjl> holycow, eh? [02:33] <holycow> http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/ <-- check it out [02:33] <onur> There's bug in Ubuntu about a Turkish character where should apply for it ? [02:33] <holycow> tip goes to LinuxJones for linkage tho [02:33] <onur> this letter [02:33] <cafuego> vader1102: Ah ok. Well, first get the install cd, see if it'll boot. if not, you will need a MacOS install CD as well. [02:33] <paulproteus> holycow: You know, there's always the chance that they're not trolls but real users with different preferences.... :) [02:34] <paulproteus> holycow: And to slashdot. [02:34] <vader1102> okidoki [02:34] <holycow> paulproteus, amen, tell that to folks around here tho :) [02:34] <vader1102> I think they said it has mac os 8? [02:34] <thoreauputic> paulproteus: say it isn't so ! :D [02:34] <cafuego> vader1102: Plan B involved a tool called BootX. [02:34] <cafuego> vader1102: OS8 is fine. [02:34] <DJ_Necrogami> ok i downloaded the pcmcia Drivers how do i install them [02:34] <vader1102> kool [02:35] <vader1102> I will try it sometime in the next couple of weeks. [02:35] <cafuego> Do you know what size disk it has? [02:35] <j2dope> any gnome meeting users in here? [02:35] <vader1102> j2dope: not me [02:35] <DJ_Necrogami> anyone know of any TV/FM Capture Software [02:36] <DJ_Necrogami> Capture/Tuner [02:36] <j2dope> i just wanna test it out with someone but oh well [02:36] <Mez> rowanjl, I'm not gonna build php5 now - it's broken in breezy [02:36] <vader1102> I have my router blocking them ports and don't want to open then :) [02:36] <holycow> evolution is polishing up for easier integration with hula, oh that could be damned cool [02:37] <holycow> especially after evolution is ported to windows [02:37] <rowanjl> holycow, now all nautilus needs is gecko :) And then I can rid myself of ugly looking firefox forever [02:37] <rowanjl> ported to windows? [02:37] <DJ_Necrogami> lol [02:37] <holycow> rowanjl, hehe, i've been actually using epiphany, i like the integration with gnome [02:37] <rowanjl> Mez, ok :) [02:37] <cafuego> rowanjl: Konqueror runs fine in Gnome. [02:38] <holycow> rowanjl, i read somewhere novell hired someone to port evo to windows [02:38] <holycow> i haven't seen any project pages yet tho [02:38] <paulproteus> I would stop using Firefox for Konqueror, but I'm too addicted to all the extensions. [02:38] <d_i> goodmorning guys :) [02:39] <holycow> heh! custom cursors! oh joy! now i can't wait for the first piece of cursor spyware to appear on the scene [02:39] <holycow> >_< [02:39] <holycow> paulproteus, i'm finding it hard without flash blocker and ad blocker and a few others *nod* [02:39] <paulproteus> holycow: KDE 3.5 will have an adblock for Konqi, at least. [02:40] <Hoshimaru> hi. What package contains "mkfontdir" ? X in Breezy beacuse of that I guess [02:40] <rowanjl> holycow, I don't much like epiphany, but that could be because of the lack of features [02:40] <Hoshimaru> *is broken [02:40] <DJ_Necrogami> meh! [02:40] <paulproteus> Hoshimaru: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Apt-file [02:40] <cafuego> The Gnome developers should ask apple for the Aqua code <heh> [02:40] <holycow> rowanjl, yeah its meant to be simple [02:40] <Hoshimaru> thx paulproteus [02:40] <vader1102> bbl need to go and have something to eat and maybe get some coffee from the wireless cafe [02:40] <thoreauputic> !find mkfontdir [02:40] <paulproteus> apt-file search mkfontdir [02:40] <rowanjl> holycow, but I'd love my extensions :P [02:40] <holycow> paulproteus, really? neat! i honestly haveto say that i miss konqueror from kde [02:40] <cafuego> thoreauputic: Did you upgrade breezy, naughty man? [02:40] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'mkfontdir' (1 shown): (/usr/X11R6/bin/mkfontdir) in x11/xutils. [02:41] <holycow> its the swiss army knife of file browsers [02:41] <nimra> hello, I am new and trying to install Kubuntu onto my USB ipod HDD [02:41] <cafuego> Hoshimaru: Aha, YOU did. [02:41] <thoreauputic> cafuego: no way :) [02:41] <nimra> could someone give me some help [02:41] <cafuego> Hoshimaru: Did you miss the /topic ? [02:41] <holycow> nimra, helo? [02:41] <Hoshimaru> yes :s I kind of missed it :p [02:41] <holycow> usb ipod hd? [02:41] <holycow> what do you mean install? [02:42] <rowanjl> I think Nautilus will end up being alot better than Konq [02:42] <cafuego> Hoshimaru: *sigh* Downgrade xutils to a previous version. -33 or -36 or soemthing. [02:42] <Hoshimaru> k [02:42] <nimra> I want to install ubuntu for my computer, but not on my computer's hard-disk, but on the ipod's USB harddisk [02:42] <holycow> rowanjl, i actually have gotten to like spatial nautilus, but then i also like gimp ui :) [02:42] <rowanjl> Bleh :P [02:42] <rowanjl> The Gimp is improving mind youi [02:43] <holycow> nimra, does your bios support usb hd's? [02:43] <holycow> if yes, you should be able to install it there just as if it was any other usb hd [02:43] <nimra> i'm not too sure, its a pretty new computer, made last year, P4 HT and everything [02:43] <rowanjl> Will Gnome 2.12 be ready for the next ubuntu? [02:43] <wellso> hi ppl [02:44] <cafuego> rowanjl: Yes. [02:44] <holycow> rowanjl, gnome always comes out a month beforeubuntu [02:44] <cafuego> rowanjl: Ubuntu always releases a month or so AFTER Gnome. [02:44] <rowanjl> Cool! :) [02:44] <LinuxJones> rowanjl, yeah [02:44] <wellso> how do i change my default media player in gnome [02:44] <holycow> as cafuego has pointed out, by design :) [02:44] <wellso> ? [02:44] <cafuego> omg! it compiles! ship it! [02:44] <nimra> I tried before but it stuff up when it tried to install the booter [02:45] <nimra> and it came up with a boot error when i started up the comp [02:45] <holycow> what error? [02:45] <rowanjl> How long untill the next release anyhow? [02:45] <nimra> error 2 or something [02:45] <holycow> g2.12 has a neat system tools starutp/stop thingy [02:45] <holycow> neato [02:46] <cafuego> rowanjl: It will be Ubuntu 5.10 [02:46] <cafuego> rowanjl: (Year 5, Month 10) [02:46] <LinuxJones> holycow, a long overdue feature [02:46] <wellso> anyone here on kubuntu? [02:46] <holycow> nimra, i'm not sure to be honest, i've never installed any os from scratch on a usb based hd, perhaps i should give it a try this weekend to see [02:46] <cafuego> wellso: Everyone on #kubuntu is. [02:47] <rowanjl> cafuego, I see! [02:47] <wellso> :) [02:47] <cafuego> rowanjl: Hoary (5.04) was released in april. [02:47] <rowanjl> Yep [02:47] <rowanjl> I placed my order for cds in May, still waiting :( [02:47] <kemik> !wmv [02:47] <ubotu> Wish i knew, kemik [02:47] <kemik> blah [02:47] <kemik> wmv support in Totem? [02:48] <cafuego> !RestrictedFormats [02:48] <ubotu> I heard restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs' [02:48] <Raskall> howdy [02:48] <holycow> !w32codecs [02:48] <ubotu> methinks w32codecs is a set of codecs needed to play many common audio and video formats, such as WMV. You can install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org). [02:48] <nimra> whats the difference between GRUB and LILO? [02:48] <DJ_Necrogami> "vdr: please turn off UTF-8 before starting VDR" how would i turn of UTF-8 [02:48] <wellso> GRUB is better :) [02:48] <cafuego> nimra: Design, age, flexibility. [02:49] <wellso> LILO had a tendancy to mess up my MBR [02:49] <Raskall> are there any gui-tools in ubuntu that lets the user change the boot order in grub? my father wants windows as the default in grub and I am not sure he is capable of editing menu.lst. [02:49] <cafuego> wellso: That's where it lives. Of course it overwrite it. [02:50] <wellso> i know it overwrites it, it had a tendancy to make it unrecoverable [02:50] <nimra> is there anyway to install Kubuntu or Ubuntu on a NTFS hard disk without completly reformatting it? [02:50] <holycow> Raskall, just change the oreder of windows and ubuntu in the menu.lst file :) [02:50] <cafuego> nimra: No. [02:50] <holycow> Raskall, make sure you just keep a backup copy and a knoppix live cd for rescue purposes [02:51] <cafuego> nimra: Well, you can resize the ntfs partition first. But _make_ _a_ _backup_ first [02:51] <LinuxJones> nimra, don't install Linux on an ntfs partition [02:51] <paulproteus> http://grime.sourceforge.net/ - GUI grub editor [02:51] <wellso> yeah, NTFS is a bit sloppy on Linux [02:51] <nimra> how do I resize a NTFS? [02:51] <paulproteus> nimra: For what it's worth, all my experiences resizing NTFS have gone fine. [02:51] <Raskall> holycow: _I_ know how to do it, hell, I'm a linux sysadmin. But I need to help my father to do it over the phone. It would be very convenient with a gui-app. [02:51] <paulproteus> Raskall: See link [02:51] <thoreauputic> Raskall: can you walk him through it? I don't think there's a GUI for it, but it would be a good idea methinks [02:51] <holycow> Raskall, ooos! sorry bro :) didn't read that into the q. i'm sorry i dont know [02:52] <paulproteus> Raskall: According to grime.sf.net, gnome-system-tools has a configurator for grub. [02:52] <thoreauputic> paulproteus: aha! thanks [02:52] <paulproteus> http://www.gnome.org/projects/gst/screenshots/boot.jpg [02:52] <paulproteus> http://grubconf.sourceforge.net/ , too [02:52] <paulproteus> These links were all on grime.sf.net [02:52] <holycow> oh, no kidding [02:52] <holycow> nice, thx for linkage [02:52] <cafuego> Gnomne 2.12 will include it. [02:52] <nimra> any help on how to resize a NTFS? [02:53] <Raskall> paulproteus, holycow, paulproteus: getting him to install apps not in apt is way harder than just guiding him through editing menu.lst [02:53] <kemik> nimra: partition magic [02:53] <LinuxJones> nimra, the Hoary installer can resize but you should do a defrag/disk scan first [02:53] <holycow> Raskall, how about sudo gedit? [02:53] <cafuego> Raskall: Can you make him enable ssh and just fix the problem yourself? [02:53] <Raskall> holycow: that will be the way. :) [02:54] <nimra> thank you :) [02:54] <holycow> Raskall, or getting him to startup the remote admin tool? ssh in? [02:54] <Raskall> cafuego: :) he is completely incompetent in dsl-router setup. [02:54] <holycow> *high five* [02:54] <holycow> haha [02:54] <cafuego> Raskall: Why doesn't he haved a Mac? [02:54] <Raskall> hmm.. maybe I actually set that up a loooong time ago. [02:54] <holycow> cafuego, thats going to be in 2.12? nice [02:54] <PrimoTurbo> what's the command to rename a folder? [02:54] <cafuego> holycow: Yep.. saw it in breezy. [02:55] <cafuego> PrimoTurbo: mv name newname [02:55] <Raskall> well.. I'd better call him... :) [02:55] <PrimoTurbo> thnx [02:55] <thoreauputic> Raskall: good luck :) [02:55] <paulproteus> Raskall: I suggest creating your own package repository for him. [02:55] <holycow> i wonder how gstreamer will perform in 2.12, i'm not complaining about current installation but it doesn't have same performance quality as xine [02:56] <PrimoTurbo> what's the command to move a directory from one play to another? [02:56] <PrimoTurbo> thnx [02:56] <paulproteus> holycow: I *am* going to complain about gstreamer. It sucks totally for playing anything. [02:56] <PrimoTurbo> place* [02:56] <cafuego> PrimoTurbo: again, 'mv'. [02:56] <paulproteus> PrimoTurbo: mv [02:56] <PrimoTurbo> k [02:56] <holycow> paulproteus, ehe :) [02:56] <holycow> <-- diplomatic [02:56] <PrimoTurbo> so mv /etc/sfdas /root/sfdas [02:57] <PrimoTurbo> would that work? [02:57] <paulproteus> holycow: Sometimes I am. I hadn't had breakfast and I'd been IRCing for the past two hours, so I'm a bit crankier than usual. :) [02:57] <paulproteus> PrimoTurbo: You might have to sudo it. [02:57] <cafuego> as longas they're on the same disk, yes. [02:57] <PrimoTurbo> yeah I know [02:57] <paulproteus> cafuego: ? They needn't be on the same disk... [02:57] <paulproteus> cafuego: It'd just be slower if they're not. [02:57] <paulproteus> PrimoTurbo: Generally speaking, try stuff yourself. :) [02:57] <cafuego> paulproteus: they fixed that? I'm sure 'mv' didn't used to work across filesystems [02:57] <cafuego> Or maybe I'm stuck in 1995 [02:57] <holycow> okay, imho g2.12 is awesome [02:58] <paulproteus> cafuego: The rename() system call doesn't work across filesystems. [02:58] <flipy> do I have to tweak something to make my apache2 accessible from outside my lan network? [02:58] <paulproteus> cafuego: But mv has been more than a wrapper around rename() for ages.... [02:58] <cafuego> paulproteus: I'm _OLD_ [02:58] <paulproteus> cafuego: Okay. :) [02:58] <poningru> flipy: allow outsiders into your lan network? [02:58] <holycow> LinuxJones, once again, thx! [02:58] <poningru> and put the apache file as read for outsiders [02:58] <flipy> poningru: yes, to access my webserver [02:58] <poningru> then no clue [02:58] <cafuego> paulproteus: Then again, I haven't actually moved dist across filesystems for _years_. ln is my friend. [02:58] <flipy> ok [02:58] <PrimoTurbo> paulproteus: I would but I ussually mess up, i'd rather ask twice then mess up [02:58] <flipy> thanks [02:59] <paulproteus> PrimoTurbo: Well, okay. [02:59] <PrimoTurbo> thanks guys for help [02:59] <paulproteus> Eventually you'll get better at this stuff. :) [03:01] <PrimoTurbo> Does anyone know how to install downloaded firefox themes [03:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know why my box dosen't see my ipod? [03:01] <PrimoTurbo> not from a site but ones that I have downloaded [03:01] <cafuego> PrimoTurbo: Just open the themes prefs and add 'em [03:02] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it has no eyes [03:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.< lol [03:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> not quite the answer i was looking for [03:02] <PrimoTurbo> There is no option? [03:02] <PrimoTurbo> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=24858 [03:02] <PrimoTurbo> that's the theme [03:02] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: you need an extension [03:02] <anatole_> file searching on linux is amazing [03:02] <anatole_> :o [03:02] <PrimoTurbo> extension to install a theme? [03:03] <kostkon> iPrimoTurbo: that allows you to install downloaded themes [03:03] <cafuego> PrimoTurbo: drag and drop the theme file onto the firefox window [03:03] <PrimoTurbo> i'll try [03:03] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: yes!! [03:03] <holycow> eh what? extensions? [03:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so anyone know why i can't use my ipod on my linuxbox? [03:03] <cafuego> holycow: femes [03:03] <holycow> heh [03:03] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: are you a paraplegic? [03:03] <PrimoTurbo> doesn't work [03:04] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: search for this specific extension! trust me!! [03:04] <PrimoTurbo> drag and drop doesn't work firefox just opens a download [03:04] <PrimoTurbo> what is it called? [03:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no i'm not why? [03:04] <anatole_> ChurcH_of_FoamY: format it to fat32 in windows [03:04] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: there is one, i dont remember its name [03:04] <PrimoTurbo> theme extension? [03:04] <anatole_> then use gtkpod under linux [03:04] <PrimoTurbo> i'll take a look [03:04] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Just guessing. you're not being very forthcoming with info.. [03:04] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: yeah, it allows you to install themes that you have on your hard drive [03:05] <poningru> PrimoTurbo: did you get it working? [03:05] <PrimoTurbo> I didn't get the firefox theme working yet and I cannot find this extention yet [03:06] <PrimoTurbo> still looking [03:06] <PrimoTurbo> do u remember any part of it's name? [03:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok i tryed my ipod on the wifes computer with my usb 2.0 card and it works without a hitch (stupid Windows >.<) but i put the card and my ipod on here and nothing [03:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it dosen't even see it [03:06] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: search the themes site with the word "theme"?? [03:06] <rowanjl> Grr, I wish Gnome would let me use Ctrl + ArrowKey to select chunks of text... [03:06] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Does the machine detect the usb2 card? [03:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i even tryed the onboard usb ports and it's the same deal [03:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes the machene sees the usb 2.0 card as a belkin [03:06] <poningru> PrimoTurbo: what version of firefox are you running [03:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and that's what it is a belkin [03:07] <poningru> and which version of the theme did you download? [03:07] <holycow> PrimoTurbo, wait, you mean tools/tehemes doesn't work for ya? [03:07] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Anything in 'dmesg' when you plug the iPod in? [03:07] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Are you running a self-compiled kernel? [03:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nothing even shows up [03:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no [03:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i used the Ubuntu install cd [03:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that i orderd [03:08] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Are the usb2 modules loaded? [03:08] <PrimoTurbo> 1 sec I think I found it [03:08] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: check 'lsmod | grep ehci' [03:08] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: what? [03:08] <PrimoTurbo> holycow: it works for online themes [03:08] <thoreauputic> PrimoTurbo: http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/themer [03:09] <holycow> PrimoTurbo, you cant drag the theme file into the theme popup? [03:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok um what am i looking for in there [03:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ehci_hcd 32708 0 [03:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> usbcore 119000 4 ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd,uhci_hcd [03:09] <PrimoTurbo> no, it doesn't work I tried already [03:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is what shows up [03:09] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: why you didnt go to the firefox themes site and went to mozdev? [03:09] <PrimoTurbo> the drag theme [03:09] <PrimoTurbo> I did [03:09] <poningru> PrimoTurbo: did you try the open file thing? [03:09] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: run 'tail -f /var/log/kern.log' then unplug and replug the iPod [03:09] <PrimoTurbo> works now thanks for help [03:09] <thoreauputic> PrimoTurbo: did you see the URL I posted? [03:09] <PrimoTurbo> yeah I got the extention [03:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk [03:10] <moparfan90> can someone hat uses fluxbox please PM me. [03:10] <PrimoTurbo> and installed from harddrive [03:10] <thoreauputic> moparfan90: what's the problem? [03:10] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: ok, but maybe the firefox extensions site at mozilla.org will have a newer version [03:11] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: of the Themer extension [03:11] <holycow> weird [03:11] <PrimoTurbo> alright I'll check it out [03:11] <moparfan90> thoreauputic, i need help opening programs and getting a theme ownloaded and opened [03:11] <Trynemjoel> Does annyone have a link for Terminal-commands ? the "help" menu is a bit...useless.. [03:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok i'm waiting for the ipods battery to charge back up [03:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so that i can try this [03:12] <thoreauputic> moparfan90: there are excellent docs at http://fluxbox.org [03:12] <Seveas> Trynemjoel, terminal commands..? [03:12] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it should charge through the usb link [03:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no for some reason it dosen't [03:14] <thoreauputic> moparfan90: at http://fluxbox.org/docbook.php you can download or view them in several formats and languages: very useful and readable [03:14] <Trynemjoel> during installation i wasn't promped for setting a root pass. is there a default one or isnt there anny set if so? [03:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i found the ipod in a snow bank last winter and i had to buy a secondhand non apple connector for it [03:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> for some reason it will not charge off of the usb port and i don't know why [03:15] <cafuego> Why does this retarded software assume Melbourne is Melbourne, FL? [03:15] <cafuego> bloody yanks [03:15] <thoreauputic> Trynemjoel: look at ubotu's URL below [03:15] <thoreauputic> !root [03:15] <ubotu> [root] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [03:15] <moparfan90> whats nother lighwaeight windows manager that is good. [03:15] <Trynemjoel> thanks thoreauputic [03:16] <thoreauputic> Trynemjoel: you're welcome :) [03:16] <Raskall> I obviously under-estimated my father.. he is very competent in following instructions [03:16] <holycow> Raskall, hehe :) [03:17] <thoreauputic> moparfan90: http://xwinman.org [03:17] <holycow> did you actually have him use gedit? [03:17] <holycow> just curious [03:24] <Softarn> okej so ive made a ext3 partition to install ubuntu on, but my brother talked about some other parition that i need [03:24] <Softarn> do i need another one? [03:25] <thoreauputic> Softarn: swap perhaps, or a separate /home partition or both (you need at least swap) [03:25] <thoreauputic> but the installer does the swap for you if you let it auto partition [03:26] <Softarn> okey but ill make one on my own... how big should it be? [03:26] <Softarn> like ram? [03:26] <LinuxJones> Softarn, how much ram do you have ? [03:26] <Softarn> 512 [03:26] <thoreauputic> Softarn: how much RAM do you have? [03:26] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: heh [03:26] <Softarn> :) [03:27] <thoreauputic> Softarn: 512 swap dhould be enough unless you do intensive video editing or something [03:27] <LinuxJones> Softarn, make it like 500 megs or so more than that is a waste [03:27] <Raskall> hmm.. why does laptop_mode complain about missing /dev/hda when I shut down my computer? I have no /dev/hda on this computer. [03:28] <Chaotic_Shield> hehehe [03:28] <Softarn> ok thx... guess that one should be in ext3 to [03:28] <Softarn> ? [03:28] <kemik> LinuxJones: you really should quit :P [03:28] <thoreauputic> Softarn: no [03:28] <kemik> Softarn: no, "swap" [03:28] <thoreauputic> Softarn: linux swap (type 82) [03:29] <kemik> Softarn: why not use guided partitioning, it's much better if you're new to the install procedure [03:29] <Softarn> oh :P [03:29] <Raskall> Chaotic_Shield: wireless is ok for surfing and irc, but try to copy files over wifi.. it's like getting your pubic hairs slowly pulled out one by one. [03:29] <Chaotic_Shield> kemik, it's better if you're new to installing operating systems [03:29] <Chaotic_Shield> Raskall, O_O. 802.11g baby. 33mbps. [03:30] <kemik> Chaotic_Shield: to do it manually or guided?? [03:30] <Raskall> Chaotic_Shield: :) you don't copy very large files on your lan, do you? ;) [03:30] <Chaotic_Shield> kemik, guided. [03:30] <Chaotic_Shield> Raskall, I am my LAN :) [03:30] <Chaotic_Shield> now. [03:31] <Chaotic_Shield> Anyone know where libcurl gets installed to if you apt-get it? [03:31] <linoleum> hello, I got a question m: since I have installed the Nvidia drivers , my mouse cursos get some strange : it blink very often when the system load something, like firefox a web page [03:31] <Chaotic_Shield> I'm compiling Unreal 3.2.3 and I want to enable remote includes, but to do that I need to find libcurl. Anyone know where it is? [03:32] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: "locate libcurl" suggests it is in /usr/lib/ [03:32] <Raskall> Chaotic_Shield: in that case I agree. I have a 20 meter cat5-cable next to my switch for when I need fast net to my server. [03:32] <Chaotic_Shield> ThomasWaldmann, I forgot about that command :) Thanks. [03:33] <Chaotic_Shield> meh. I never need to transfer anything large. [03:33] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: I'm assuming that was a tab complete error ;) [03:33] <Chaotic_Shield> yes it was. [03:33] <Chaotic_Shield> :-P [03:33] <thoreauputic> :) [03:34] <Chaotic_Shield> still. [03:34] <Chaotic_Shield> Can't freakin beat tab. [03:34] <Chaotic_Shield> lazy man's way of highlighting. [03:35] <Chaotic_Shield> yay! [03:35] <Chaotic_Shield> Unreal compiled. [03:35] <tucoz> Hi, I am trying to get wireless to work. But... I cannot find out if my wireless is supported by ubuntu. I am on a restricted connection. Is intel pro/wireless 2200BG supported? [03:36] <PrimoTurbo> How do I find my kernel version? I need it to install drivers. [03:36] <Chris_Tucker> i installed apache with apt-get, followed by php4cgi. how do i load the module in my httpd.conf for php and cgi so that the server executes these files rather than allowing the client browser to download the .php or .cgi? [03:36] <thoreauputic> PrimoTurbo: uname -r [03:36] <tucoz> If it isn't. I need to download it via http and dpkg -i it. [03:36] <PrimoTurbo> ty [03:36] <matthew_> how do i customise my ubuntu desktop? anyone? [03:36] <tucoz> the driver that is [03:36] <Chaotic_Shield> Chris_Tucker, have you checked out Apache's documentation? [03:37] <Chris_Tucker> Chaotic_Shield, no. [03:37] <Chaotic_Shield> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ [03:37] <Chaotic_Shield> check it out. [03:37] <Chaotic_Shield> tells you everything you need to know [03:37] <Chaotic_Shield> and also Google for some tutorials on how to configure Apache to use your PHP and CGI libs. [03:37] <thoreauputic> matthew_: a start is to install gnome-themes-extras from synaptic [03:38] <thoreauputic> !info gnome-themes-extras [03:38] <ubotu> gnome-themes-extras: (various themes for the GNOME 2 desktop), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 3926 kB, Installed size: 17556 kB [03:38] <matthew_> ok search for those and install them? [03:38] <Chris_Tucker> ive done it in windwos before but never linux :/ always used a prebundled compileable package in linux till i went debain based [03:38] <thoreauputic> matthew_: you'll need the universe repository [03:38] <levander> There is a python interface to curses packaged in ubuntu? [03:38] <thoreauputic> matthew_: no, just use the synaptic package manager [03:38] <matthew_> ok thanks [03:38] <majic> anyone know if there is a lighthttpd package for Ubuntu? I can't seem to find one. [03:38] <thoreauputic> !synaptic [03:38] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto [03:38] <Chaotic_Shield> levander, don't think so. Use Synaptic to find and install it. [03:39] <levander> Chaotic_Shield: if there's no curses package for ubuntu, how am I going to find it with synaptic? [03:39] <matthew_> downloading it now [03:40] <Chaotic_Shield> you said packaged in ubuntu, I assumed you meant came preinstalled. My mistake. [03:40] <Mondoshawan> has somebody a sample ftpd.conf file for "ftpd" server? [03:40] <Mondoshawan> i need to activate PASV mode on my ftpd [03:40] <matthew_> gnome-themes-extras has been downloaded, how do i install it? or has it been done automatically? [03:41] <thoreauputic> matthew_: automagically :) [03:41] <matthew_> oh :D [03:41] <thoreauputic> matthew_: just open up the themes dialogue [03:41] <Chaotic_Shield> Can anyone help me with this ----> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/843 ? I'm trying to compile Unreal 3.2.3. [03:41] <matthew_> yes, i've got a few more [03:41] <matthew_> thanks for the help [03:41] <sorush20> guys when I try to write to a DVD... or get information form it by clicking on the properties I get the error malformed Url [03:41] <levander> ah! there's a curses interface for perl and ruby, but don't see one for python. Thought ubuntu was supposed to be 'python centric'? [03:41] <Seveas> everything you install with apt-get/aptitude/synaptic is installed. That's why it's called install :) [03:41] <sorush20> can anyone help please.. [03:42] <thoreauputic> matthew_: gnome-look.org is a good place to browse :) [03:42] <Seveas> levander, python has curses in the standard lib [03:42] <aedwards_> Does Hoardy allow you to use grub at install? [03:42] <Chaotic_Shield> yes aeddan [03:42] <Chaotic_Shield> doh. [03:42] <levander> Seveas: great! thanks [03:42] <Chaotic_Shield> aedwards_* [03:43] <levander> Chaotic_Shield: i don't think you're going to get around that error without the curl.h file. Is there some configure script or something that's supposed to generate curl.h that you didn't run? [03:43] <Chaotic_Shield> Lemme check. [03:44] <matthew_> thanks [03:44] <Chaotic_Shield> there appears to be.....but it needs ares.... [03:44] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, apt-get install libcurl-dev [03:45] <Chaotic_Shield> Good ol' Synaptic for me Seveas [03:45] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, apt-get install libcurl3-dev [03:45] <Seveas> fine :) [03:45] <Seveas> but you need that package :) [03:45] <Chaotic_Shield> I need the libcurl dev package? [03:45] <Chaotic_Shield> Odd.... [03:45] <Seveas> well, the program asks for it :) [03:45] <Chaotic_Shield> not exactly. [03:46] <asfra> I have an external harddrive with alot of mp3's and videos. The filesystem is FAT32 and I all the files are downloaded using Win xp. Is this why I can't seem to play them wiht ubuntu? [03:46] <levander> Chaotic_Shield: if it's trying to include files from it, it's asking for it [03:46] <aford> new to ubunto - I installed the php4 and mysql options, but it still does not seem to have php working with mysql yet. Is there any other modules that I need to install? [03:46] <Seveas> it needs curl.h to define LIBCURL_VERSION, that should be interpreted as: install libcurl3-dev or I won't work [03:46] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: 99% of the time when compiling, missing needs will be -dev packages [03:46] <Seveas> asfra, no [03:46] <Seveas> asfra: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support [03:46] <Chaotic_Shield> =\ [03:46] <levander> asfra: no, FAT32 is supported by linux [03:46] <levander> asfra: can you mount the drive? [03:47] <asfra> yeah, I can mount the drive, it's no problems like that [03:47] <Seveas> aford, for mysql to work on the local machine you need to have libapache2-mod-php4, mysql-server and php4-mysql [03:47] <asfra> but xmms and similar progs just chrash when I try to play the files [03:47] <levander> aford: php4-mysql [03:47] <Seveas> asfra: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound [03:47] <Chaotic_Shield> =\ [03:47] <Chaotic_Shield> ok [03:47] <Chaotic_Shield> so I got past that error. [03:47] <lok> does the X probleme has been solve actually on breezy ? [03:47] <Chaotic_Shield> Now I have another libcurl error. [03:48] <asfra> Seveas: ok, great! I'll try that [03:48] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, paste it at the pastebin :) [03:48] <levander> Chaotic_Shield: you know what version of libcurl this application wants? [03:48] <aford> Severas - php4-mysql does not come up in my search though synaptic [03:49] <Chaotic_Shield> None at all. [03:49] <levander> aford: search again, it's in there [03:49] <Seveas> aford, then enable universe [03:49] <Chaotic_Shield> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/844 [03:50] <thoreauputic> aford: apt-cache policy says it's in universe [03:50] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, hmm, didn't libcurl3-dev install libcurl3 with it? [03:50] <Chaotic_Shield> I have libcurl3.... [03:50] <Chaotic_Shield> It's installed now. [03:50] <Chaotic_Shield> That's the error I get when I try with the dev packages installed. [03:50] <aford> Seveas, how do I enable universe? [03:50] <Seveas> aford: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [03:50] <Seveas> aford: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38 [03:51] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, remove the libcurl packages again and install libcurl2-dev and libcurl2 [03:51] <Seveas> maybe that works better [03:51] <Chaotic_Shield> dunno, let's try. [03:51] <Chris_Tucker> hahha [03:52] <Chris_Tucker> Chaotic_Shield, turns out i only downloaded the cgi addin for php [03:52] <Chris_Tucker> i never got the php4 base package [03:52] <Chaotic_Shield> lol [03:52] <Chris_Tucker> im going to get something to eat while this downloads, dialup. [03:54] <floj> hi everybuddy [03:56] <faen> sudo eject [03:57] <Chaotic_Shield> fscking hell. [03:57] <Chaotic_Shield> I can't uninstall libcurl3. [03:57] <floj> I'm unable to compile a new kernel using the actual .tar.gz sources as released. Ubuntu5.04 says it can't find GTK-2-0 among others. kubuntu says it can't find QT (unavailable in the kubuntu distro). I'll appreciate some help [03:57] <Chris_Tucker> even with dpkg -r ? [03:58] <Chris_Tucker> ( @Chaotic_Shield ) [03:58] <Chaotic_Shield> ah. [03:58] <faen> I'm having tons of trouble with my cdrom drive, can't burn can't eject and I don't see what could be blocking it [03:58] <elwood> faen, permission problem? [03:59] <faen> hmm, i'll check [03:59] <globule> Hi all ! [03:59] <Chris_Tucker> floj, if your really serious about manually compiling the kernal, then sudo apt-get <what the tar.gz asks for> [04:00] <Chaotic_Shield> Chris_Tucker, do I just do dpkg -r libcurl3? [04:00] <faen> hmm, weird.. maybe i'm wrong but cdrom is in /dev/cdrom rather than /mnt/cdrom in ubuntu? [04:00] <floj> Hi Chris, the whole story is that I have inet connectivity through HomePNa (not ethernet) and the pcnet32.c module in Hoary does not allow me to set separately my HomePNa interfaces. Therefore I'm without connectivity. [04:00] <Chris_Tucker> Chaotic_Shield yes and see what it says [04:01] <Chaotic_Shield> dependency problems. [04:01] <elwood> faen, /dev/cdrom is the device /mnt is the mount point [04:01] <TriniTriggs24> anybody here ever lost data while using amaroK? [04:01] <Chris_Tucker> floj, do you have a livecd copy of ubuntu and a thumbdrive? [04:01] <elwood> faen, /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 [04:02] <faen> mount /mnt/cdrom [04:02] <faen> mount: can't find /mnt/cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab [04:02] <Chaotic_Shield> no niether. [04:02] <thoreauputic> faen: try /media/cdrom [04:02] <Chaotic_Shield> why? [04:02] <queuetue> I'm using two "applicance firewalls" (FVS318s to be exact) with a VPN between them, and would like to repeat broadcast packets across the link. How would I do this? [04:02] <asfra> Seveas: You are my hero! now it works :-) [04:02] <faen> mount /media/cdrom [04:02] <faen> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc, [04:02] <faen> missing codepage or other error [04:03] <faen> weird [04:03] <TriniTriggs2994> I had a playlist going, but I changed some of the file's names, and when amaroK got to them, it said "file no longer exists" or something like that. And then when I went back to the folder, it was empty!!! [04:03] <Chris_Tucker> floj, if so, go to somewhere with highspeed that will let you use the livecd. then sudo apt-get install -d <the stuff you need> then copy the .deb files from /var/cache/apt/archives/ to your thumbdrive [04:03] <faen> can't umount it either [04:03] <thoreauputic> faen: erm - what are you trying to mount? What is on the CD ? [04:03] <faen> I was trying to burn an ISO [04:03] <faen> k3b, gnomebaker, eroaster all hang [04:03] <elwood> faen, just with that cd? [04:03] <faen> and don't burn [04:03] <thoreauputic> faen: you don't need to mount to burn an ISO [04:04] <faen> I know i don't need mount [04:04] <Chris_Tucker> floj, then use dpkg to install them on your rig you need them on. if you dont do them in the right order, dpkg will tell you which to do before the one your doing [04:04] <faen> but now i can't eject the cd after one of those progs did something [04:04] <thoreauputic> faen: try sudo eject /dev/cdrom [04:04] <thoreauputic> or /dev/hdc or whatever [04:04] <aford> Seveas, thanks for the help [04:05] <faen> eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument [04:05] <elwood> faen, or check in your processes ..one of them maybe is blocking [04:05] <faen> I looked, but I can't see what would be blocking it [04:05] <Chris_Tucker> faen, try sudo eject cdrom [04:05] <Chris_Tucker> faen, try sudo eject cdrom0 [04:05] <JayParadise> yea u got to type eject [04:05] <Chris_Tucker> faen, try sudo eject cdrom1 [04:05] <Chris_Tucker> faen, one of those should work [04:05] <aford> levander, thoreauputic - thanks for the help [04:05] <JayParadise> if not the primary u havve to type the dev [04:05] <faen> nope none work.. [04:05] <faen> ;/ [04:05] <Chris_Tucker> confusing [04:05] <thoreauputic> aford: you're welcome :) [04:05] <JayParadise> mines hdd if eject doesnt work [04:05] <Chris_Tucker> i dont mean /dev/cdrom thoguh [04:05] <Chris_Tucker> i mean just plain cdrom [04:06] <faen> i tried all of those [04:06] <dj28> sounds like you're screwed [04:06] <Chris_Tucker> yea i agree with dj28 [04:06] <dj28> might want to manual eject it [04:06] <faen> yep [04:06] <dj28> sounds like a faulty cdrom [04:06] <JayParadise> reboot it and get it out while the bios loads [04:06] <faen> manual doesn't work either [04:06] <dj28> faen: wow [04:06] <dj28> how old is that drive [04:07] <faen> I know the drive is fine, I just burned some iso's the other day before I switched to ubuntu [04:07] <faen> like 2 days ago [04:07] <dj28> interesting [04:07] <faen> I've had some weird things happen with ubuntu [04:08] <dj28> have you googled your cdrom model [04:08] <dj28> to see if this is a problem for others [04:08] <matthew_> can anyone help a complete beginner to install an icon pack? i downloaded from Gnome-look.org [04:08] <matthew_> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=14260 [04:08] <asfra> Can anybody tell me the trick to get mplayer working? when I start it I get: ' New_Face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong. Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf).' And when I try to play something with it it just stops. [04:08] <leroj> matthew_, open theme manager [04:08] <faen> a lot of things work fine but sound is kinda screwy, i've tried to tweak that xorg seems laggy, cdrom hasn't really woked at all [04:08] <thoreauputic> matthew_: just drag it onto the theme dialogue [04:08] <leroj> then drag and drop the icon package you downloaded onto the main window [04:08] <faen> just have had soem strange bugs hit me [04:09] <JayParadise> lag [04:09] <elwood> well i have a script that in my old distro i put in /etc/profile.d/ ...in ubuntu where i have to put it? [04:09] <JayParadise> that reminds me i got to run sysvconfig [04:09] <faen> I like ubuntu in some respects but I have never had an install go this bad since slack 5 [04:09] <faen> lol [04:09] <thoreauputic> asfra: have you installed mplayer-fonts ? [04:09] <Bozack> Can anyone tell me what the default password for root on Ubuntu is? [04:10] <faen> Bozack: there is no root pass [04:10] <JayParadise> that was smy frist ubuntu question [04:10] <faen> you use sudo [04:10] <thoreauputic> !root [04:10] <Chris_Tucker> Bozack there is none [04:10] <ubotu> methinks root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [04:10] <{Phoinix}> Bozack, sudo passwd root [04:10] <asfra> I'll check. But would a font problem make the player stop responding? [04:10] <matthew_> thanks alot got the icons installed [04:11] <elwood> !root [04:11] <ubotu> root is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [04:11] <thoreauputic> asfra: dunno - but the error message mentions fonts, no! [04:11] <thoreauputic> oops s/!/? [04:11] <elwood> !tell me root [04:11] <Bozack> Phoinix, thanx... that helped [04:11] <paulproteus> !tellme root [04:11] <paulproteus> !tell me root [04:12] <{Phoinix}> Hello, I 'm trying to make my mic work in ubuntu.. but there seems to be a problem. I have a sound blaster live and in aslamixer there are a lot of controls.. that are confusing. What must i do to make my mic work? I am hearing my voice from the speakers [04:12] <floj> Chris, sorry for the delay, not lag but diaper change. I've got connectivity on my rig as you can se (an old mdk on other partition). I'll try to do the hack you propose, but I find annoying that ubuntu does not let you do a clean kernel compile from kernel.org sources. [04:12] <Arathald> When I start up ubuntu, after it's done loading, everything goes blank- I think it's a problem with the refresh rates (my monitor is old and very picky), id there a way to change those? [04:13] <floj> the diaper wasn't mine, I mean.... [04:13] <Chris_Tucker> floj i dont recommend changeing the kernal manually anyway, i would find the debain sources for it. [04:13] <Chris_Tucker> hahahh [04:13] <EdLin> Arathald, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [04:14] <Arathald> so i boot into recovery and type that in? [04:14] <asfra> thoreauputic: I apt it just says that I've installed mplayer-586 and mplayer-doc [04:15] <EdLin> Arathald, boot into recovery, chroot in your hard drive mount point, then do that. [04:15] <{Phoinix}> Anyone can help me with my microphone problem? [04:15] <thoreauputic> asfra: is it saying you already have the newest mplayer-fonts ? [04:15] <EdLin> Arathald, er, that's instructions for recovery CD. [04:16] <asfra> thoreauputic: How do I check that? [04:16] <thoreauputic> asfra: did you actually try to install mplayer-fonts ? (note the hyphen) [04:16] <Arathald> EdLin: so I do sumin else completely, or I just boot into the recovery (on the hdd) and type that first thing ir what? [04:17] <asfra> thoreauputic: I'll try now.. [04:17] <thoreauputic> asfra: sudo apt-get install mplayer-fonts [04:18] <holycow> heh [04:18] <holycow> gnome 2.12 preview makes slash [04:18] <EdLin> Arathald, well, if you boot up single user, which is what happens with grub recovery, you may have to remount rw (I haven't tried that under Ubuntu yet.) [04:18] <bobbyd> hi [04:19] <floj> Chris, one last q, those .deb packs come from somewhere. Where exactly? I mean I can wget them on my mdk and transfer them to the Hoary partition. [04:19] <thoreauputic> binbrain: if you need to ponder, don't ;) [04:19] <EdLin> binbrain, /topic [04:19] <Chris_Tucker> has anyone here worked with the apt-gtt php4 and the apt-got apache? [04:19] <Arathald> EdLin: rw? [04:19] <Chris_Tucker> floj, apt-get. [04:19] <EdLin> Arathald, read-write [04:19] <bobbyd> do I need to do something special to allow remote hosts to connect to port 25 to send email? I configured postfix and it's listening on port 25, but when I connect with telnet it says connection refused [04:20] <Chris_Tucker> bobbyd are these on the lan or the internet? [04:20] <floj> Chris, but apt-get will download them from some url, right? [04:20] <Arathald> EdLin: ah, ok. should I jsut try typing it in, see what happens, then worry about remounting if it doesn't work? [04:20] <Chris_Tucker> floj yes.. [04:20] <bobbyd> Chris_Tucker, internet. do i need to edit hosts.allow? [04:20] <EdLin> Arathald, single user mode might mount things read-only by default. This may vary by distro, I've never had the occasion to use single user mode in Ubuntu [04:20] <Chris_Tucker> bobbyd not that i know of, in your router do you have port 25 forwarded? [04:20] <EdLin> Arathald, might as well, it only will make a simple error message if you need to remount [04:21] <Arathald> EdLin: kk ty- off to try [04:21] <asfra> thoreauputic: you don't happen to now what source I will have to put in sources.list to make that command work? [04:21] <bobbyd> Chris_Tucker, yes, it used to work before I reinstalled. I'm just changing from gentoo to ubuntu. [04:21] <thoreauputic> asfra: multiverse [04:21] <Chris_Tucker> sorry then bobbyd, cant help ya, i havent set up my mail server yet, im workin on my http [04:22] <thoreauputic> asfra: where did you get your mplayer?? it's in multiverse too [04:22] <bobbyd> Chris_Tucker, well, I've done that if you need any help :) [04:22] <Chris_Tucker> bobbyd, you get php4 runnin? [04:22] <asfra> thoreauputic: thougt I got it from marillat [04:22] <bobbyd> Chris_Tucker, ahh no, didn't do that [04:22] <thoreauputic> asfra: oh dear [04:22] <asfra> thoreauputic: is that some debian thing? [04:23] <asfra> looks like it :( [04:23] <thoreauputic> asfra: if so, this is the source of your woes [04:23] <Chris_Tucker> asfra, should have enabled multiverse and got it there. [04:23] <Chris_Tucker> works for me from there [04:23] <thoreauputic> marillat is for debian, which is out off sync with current hoary [04:23] <EdLin> asfra, multiverse + hoary-extras will provide you with most of what marillat has. [04:23] <thoreauputic> *of [04:24] <reka> a little off-topic, but OOI does debian have the same one-CD install ubuntu does? [04:24] <Chris_Tucker> EdLin, out of curiousity, does it have a version of libdvdcss2? [04:24] <asfra> thoreauputic: Ok, debian is bad for ubuntu. Got it! Could anyone paste the mulitverse addresses to put in the sources.list? [04:24] <EdLin> reka, it can [04:24] <thoreauputic> asfra: uninstall mplayer, delete marillat and enable multiverse, apt-get update [04:25] <Chris_Tucker> the only place ive been able to find libdvdcss2 is marillar [04:25] <Chris_Tucker> t [04:25] <Chris_Tucker> * [04:25] <EdLin> Chris_Tucker, yes, but you don't need to add a repository to get that. You can use /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh [04:25] <thoreauputic> asfra: just add the word multiverse at the end of your universe lines, basically [04:26] <thoreauputic> Chris_Tucker: libdvdcss2 is in hoary-extras from backports [04:26] <Chris_Tucker> ah backports.. never checked there [04:26] <asfra> thoreauputic: Ok.. but I have to copy and paste the lines and then add or...? (sorry for newbie questions :) [04:26] <Mez> gah [04:26] <EdLin> thoreauputic, it's also in a secret little script on every Ubuntu desktop users' HD. [04:26] <Mez> I should never have put a highlight on abckports [04:26] <Mez> lol [04:26] <Mez> It gets mentioned so many times [04:27] <thoreauputic> EdLin: OK - didn't know that one ;) thanks [04:27] <thoreauputic> asfra: if you add the word multiverse to your universe lines you should be good to go [04:28] <Chris_Tucker> hm [04:28] <thoreauputic> asfra: else read this [04:28] <thoreauputic> !repos [04:28] <ubotu> repos is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [04:28] <reka> EdLin: so basically debian users get the option of having extra packages available for local install on more CDs, while ubuntu does not. [04:28] <reka> ? [04:28] <asfra> thoreauputic: thanks alot! [04:28] <Chris_Tucker> it seems im going to have to uninstall the debain php and apache, and compile them with the ole' ./configure, make, && make install [04:28] <thoreauputic> asfra: good luck - make sure you uninstall/ delete your marillat stuff [04:29] <Chris_Tucker> the debain packages i get with apt-get dont seem to want to see each other [04:29] <EdLin> reka, you only need that if you're installing Debian to a system without an internet connection. [04:29] <JayParadise> what do you guys use to write code? [04:29] <thoreauputic> Chris_Tucker: those packages are in ubuntu too, you know [04:29] <EdLin> Chris_Tucker, it's not a good idea to mix repositories if that's what you're doing. [04:29] <JayParadise> im getting sick of vi [04:29] <reka> EdLin: well, i'm on dialup....so installing too many packages over the net is a burden. [04:30] <EdLin> reka, so am I. [04:30] <reka> JayParadise: vim :D [04:30] <Chris_Tucker> no no i apt-got it from the repos found on ubuntuguide.org [04:30] <ray_> hi room, anyone know about installing a second hard drive in ubuntu? [04:30] <ray_> its a fat32 ide drive [04:30] <JayParadise> nothin to it just mount it [04:30] <ray_> its fitted on slave (cable select) on ide #2 [04:31] <ray_> ive tried mounting it in the bash shell [04:31] <JayParadise> cfdisk [04:31] <ray_> to mnt/(my dir) [04:31] <floj> ray_ did you make a filesystem in it? [04:31] <Seveas> ray_: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically [04:31] <ray_> but it keeps saying 'no such device [04:31] <ray_> cheers, will try that. much obliged :) [04:32] <JayParadise> yea you should prolly issue mkext3 /dev/hdb or os [04:32] <Chris_Tucker> apache is on universe. [04:32] <Chris_Tucker> not sure with php, check in a sec [04:32] <JayParadise> or something like that [04:32] <Chris_Tucker> all in all though they arent seeing each other. [04:32] <JayParadise> dunno the mkfs commands [04:32] <samu> why cant we have the same kind of multi-language input in ubuntu as in windows XP? [04:32] <floj> if its visible under that broken os whose name starts with w you should mount it as mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /mnt [04:33] <elwood> someone using pam-usb? [04:33] <co-ind> Random_Sindrom you have to edit sources to add the directory where is xmms <<<where [04:34] <floj> ray_ remember to use both the device name and the partition number [04:34] <floj> not /dev/hdb but /dev/hdb1 [04:34] <ray_> i think it should be hdd1 (its the slave on ide channel 2.. but it says 'no such drive' [04:35] <flugh> try doing 'fdisk -l /dev/hdd', see if fdisk sees anything there [04:35] <ray_> thaks, i have used the dev name and number - also, its listed in dev manager [04:35] <ray_> k [04:36] <flugh> or 'dmesg | grep hdd' would show if it was seen during bootup [04:36] <ray_> 'cannot open /dev/hdd1 [04:36] <thoreauputic> ray_: sudo [04:36] <ray_> it was fitted after the installation of ubuntu [04:36] <floj> ray_ "fdisk /dev/hdd" [04:36] <ray_> k [04:37] <TriniTriggs1> hey everyone. I've got a pretty urgent problem re: losing all my music. Could you guys help me out? [04:37] <floj> partitioning a disk, mounting a partition [04:37] <TriniTriggs1> I've got a thread going in the forums [04:37] <TriniTriggs1> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53263 [04:38] <thoreauputic> TriniTriggs1: sounds bad - do you know where it *ought* to be? And how did this happen? [04:38] <TriniTriggs1> I had playlist in amaroK (hooked up to mySQL). I changed some of the filenames (*.m4a --> *.mp4) via Nautilus. And when amaroK got to those songs, it just pooped out and decided to "delete" the whole folder??? NB these files were a couple levels below the music folder, but the whole music folder was still lost. [04:38] <kemik> TriniTriggs1: tried chkdsk ? [04:39] <flugh> TriniTriggs1, you might try #amarok. they are a pretty active channel [04:40] <reka> anyone know of a quick way of renaming all files in a directory? (i need them in lower case, currently they're all in CAPS). [04:40] <flugh> i like amarok. don't like to hear stuff like that about it though :( [04:40] <tucoz> !info wireless-tools [04:40] <ubotu> wireless-tools: (Tools for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions), section net, is extra. Version: 27-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 99 kB, Installed size: 276 kB [04:41] <kemik> TriniTriggs1: boot into windows and run "chkdsk" [04:41] <tucoz> How do I find out the contents of wireless-tools? [04:41] <ray_> thanks for your help :) ill plug away at the hard drive issue... still wont mount it and fdisk cant see it. but its there in d.m. - ill pop back with a progres report ;) [04:41] <flugh> reka: for i in *; do mv "$i" `echo "$i" | troff [A-Z] [a-z] `; done <-- similar to that [04:41] <kemik> TriniTriggs2: "chkdsk" in windows [04:41] <TriniTriggs2> sorry guys, my connection's really bad [04:41] <flugh> reka: but i'd change the 'mv' to an echo for a first trial test run. make sure it's working before actually renaming [04:41] <TriniTriggs2> kemik. ah. no, not yet. NB Windows sees the same thing as Nautlius (everything except the music folder, which is still taking up space) [04:42] <reka> flugh: cheers [04:42] <tucoz> Or rather, how do I find out the contents of any package consisting of several tools? [04:42] <flugh> reka: crap sorry, it's 'tr' not 'troff' [04:43] <TriniTriggs2> I'm gonna reobot and give chkdsk a go. If anyone has any ideas, please let me know. (get Norton???) [04:43] <TriniTriggs2> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53263 [04:43] <TriniTriggs2> bye for now [04:43] <thoreauputic> tucoz: if it's installed, run dpkg -L <packagename> [04:43] <flugh> TriniTriggs1, i'd download some livecd rescue image, try mounting the disk and see what's what [04:44] <EdLin> reka, Ubuntu has a nice GNU tool named "rename", man rename, it will do most simple mass-renaming tasks. [04:44] <tucoz> thoreauputic, thanks. [04:44] <thoreauputic> tucoz: np :) [04:45] <kemik> anyone know how i can use Debian's networkdrivers instead of the ubuntu ones? [04:45] <reka> EdLin: thanks for the tip. [04:45] <tucoz> I also found out that by clicking properties in synaptic [04:46] <EdLin> reka, actually, looking at it, it appears to be something that comes with perl rather than a GNU originated tool. Either way most but not all Linux systems will have it. [04:46] <reka> flugh: worked perfectly. :D [04:46] <flugh> reka: glad to hear it [04:46] <flugh> :) [04:46] <aford> new to ubuntu - anyone know anything about nx-server or other remote desktop managers that work with ubuntu? [04:47] <thoreauputic> aford: you can install freenx from backports [04:47] <thoreauputic> aford: it's the NX thing (gpl version) [04:48] <aford> thoreauputic, how do I use backports? [04:48] <thoreauputic> !backports [04:48] <ubotu> backports is probably .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [04:49] <thoreauputic> aford: I strongly suggest you comment them out after using them - there's also hoary-extras at the same URL [04:49] <thoreauputic> oh - maybe a different URL now [04:49] <thoreauputic> :/ [04:49] <catolh> Hey, i am having some problems with xine and tv-out. It seems it wont send video to my TV, only my computer monitor. [04:52] <mjr> catolh, try xine -V xshm ; might be that your card doesn't send the video overlay to the TV [04:52] <TURK> hi all [04:52] <mjr> catolh, xshm will, though, do the scaling and stuff in software, so it might be slower [04:52] <LinuxJones> TURK, welcome [04:52] <TURK> hi all.. dpkg gives errors and it does'nt remove postgresql [04:52] <charles> I'm having a bit of trouble with sound... whatever plays is garbled [04:52] <TURK> what can i do.. i want it to remove this [04:53] <TURK> LinuxJones, thanx brother [04:53] <Chris_Tucker> tell me someone here has gotten apache2 off multiverse to work >.< [04:53] <thoreauputic> TURK: which repository did you get it from? [04:53] <TURK> help me pls [04:53] <lee> is it possible to install ubuntu from a live cd, or is it more trouble than it's worth? I'm currently booted from a live cd, and I haven't downloaded the install cd, my bandwidth is limited atm [04:53] <catolh> mjr, there isnt any other way to do it? [04:53] <Chris_Tucker> no, lee, you cant install it from a livecd. [04:54] <mjr> catolh, dunno, that really depends on your display card and the driver [04:54] <lee> oh well, slow download it is then =) [04:54] <thoreauputic> Chris_Tucker: erm - apache2 is in main, not multiverse [04:54] <Chris_Tucker> er ok wherever it is [04:54] <python_> charles: what sound card do u have? [04:54] <Chris_Tucker> i need help changeing the docroot. its not in the conf in this version [04:54] <catolh> mjr, it works fine with mplayer. Other than my xv wont display anything anymore.. after i installed the fglrx drivers [04:55] <mjr> catolh, some card only display the video overlay on "primary" display; try and see if you can make the tv primary [04:55] <ValheruLord> how can i force dpkg to remove a package [04:55] <catolh> mjr, the ati control panel has such a feature.. but it wont "store" it when i change it.. [04:55] <mjr> catolh, does mplayer use xv, then? [04:55] <catolh> mjr, it can use it.. [04:55] <charles> python_, a MAudio Audophile 2496 (envy24), uses the ice1712 chipset [04:55] <catolh> mjr, and in the ubuntuguide it says i should use it [04:56] <jip> any idea does rainbow six: rogue spear run on linux? [04:56] <catolh> mjr, i used it before i installed the fglrx.. but right after it wouldnt work. It seems it's a common proglem [04:56] <Thewrdnrd> Hey, quick question. I'm blind, working on a ubuntu install, and am trying to get the GNOME accessibility stuff running. After I log into the ubuntu desktop, though, another window seems to pop up before GNOME. Any idea what this might be? [04:56] <catolh> problem* [04:56] <mjr> catolh, yes, but does it show on the tv when you use xv? [04:56] <catolh> mjr, yes [04:56] <mjr> ah well [04:56] <Thewrdnrd> I have one window that plays the little drum sound, and I assume that's the login window, but the next one? [04:56] <catolh> mjr, but not now.. :p [04:56] <markitoxs> anyone can tell me where can i download gdesklets? [04:57] <thoreauputic> Thewrdnrd: might be the splash screen that comes before the desktop ? [04:57] <python_> charles: I'm not too sure about this card, sorry [04:57] <Thewrdnrd> I'm able to get past that window by typing in my username and password, but I'd rather not just type htat in without knowing WTF I'm typing it into. :P [04:57] <python_> Charles: Maybe you should see if it is supported on the ALSA website [04:57] <Thewrdnrd> thoreauputic: Hmm, possibly. Seems to sit there for awhile, though. Does it typically require input? [04:58] <ZincX> how can i run a mail server ? [04:58] <thoreauputic> Thewrdnrd: you type your username and pass in the gdm login fields normally ... [04:58] <charles> python_, it is fully suported and worked in gentoo [04:58] <Thewrdnrd> thoreauputic: Is GDM what plays the short drumming clip? [04:58] <thoreauputic> Thewrdnrd: is the desktop loading Ok ? [04:58] <snivitz0> markitoxs: sudo apt-get install gdesklets ;sudo apt-get install gdesklets-data [04:58] <thoreauputic> Thewrdnrd: yes, when gdm comes up you get the drum sound [04:59] <Thewrdnrd> thoreauputic: Seems to be. After the second window I get the musical jingle, which I assume means that it's loading. [04:59] <kemik> Thewrdnrd: has it been like that always? could be that you saved some windows when you shut down the computer at some point? [04:59] <reka> Thewrdnrd: you can set it up to skip the login screen if you so wish (it logs in a user automatically) [04:59] <python_> charles: have u typed alsamixer into your console? [04:59] <markitoxs> snivitz0, i don t mean that, i mean the little packages [04:59] <EdLin> snivitz0, you can add packages to a single apt-get line you know... [04:59] <markitoxs> snivitz0, if you install gdesklets-data it won work ;) they are aout of date [04:59] <charles> python_, yeah, I am able to control the sound volume and I'm able to play sounds however the sound that comes out sounds like it's at the wrong frequency [04:59] <Thewrdnrd> This is a fresh install as of this morning. [05:00] <kemik> Thewrdnrd: nevermind what i said.. it seems its just the login screen that you're typing your info in =) all is normal [05:00] <Thewrdnrd> As in, this is how it behaves on first run of the ubuntu-desktop. [05:00] <snivitz0> markitoxs: Oh, sorry about that. I installed them didnt give them a shot yet. [05:00] <Thewrdnrd> Hmmm. Ok, I won't worry about it then. [05:00] <ZincX> how can i run a mail server ? [05:00] <python_> charles: sounds a strange one, try looking at the debian site for sound issues..may help [05:00] <matthew_> Does anyone know how to install a splash screen? [05:00] <thoreauputic> Thewrdnrd: I'm in fluxbox atm or I'd check for you - but I'm also listening to Bach so I doubt I'd hear the musical jingle anyway ;) [05:01] <markitoxs> snivitz0, thx, you might uninstall the -data one, if you want it to work properly [05:01] <EdLin> ZincX, read manuals [05:01] <djansa> hello [05:01] <matthew_> does anyone know how to install a splash screen? [05:01] <ZincX> k [05:02] <Thewrdnrd> Also, are the desktop sounds played via esound? Is it possible to disable that via the command line? My laptop's sound hardware behaves oddly under Linux; it seems like it's full duplex under windows but not so under Linux. [05:02] <markitoxs> mathew the login one, or the other one? [05:02] <markitoxs> the one that shows what's been loaded? [05:02] <Thewrdnrd> So if the desktop sounds are active, I can't run the GNOME accessibility stuff which needs access to the sound hardware. [05:02] <python_> charles: Have u made sure all your settings are running through ALSA [05:02] <matthew_> the loading one, i've changed the login screen already [05:02] <Flying_Eagle> hi [05:02] <thoreauputic> Thewrdnrd: esound is default yes - it's a pain [05:03] <Thewrdnrd> python_: Yes, this is just how the hardware behaves, it's an older laptop. [05:03] <Thewrdnrd> It did this under Debian, so I'm very familiar with its oddities. [05:03] <EdLin> oops [05:03] <charles> python_, not sure what you mean... I can play sounds by sending instant messages or by using beep-media-player... when a song is playing in beep media player I can turn the volume up and down properly using alsa-mixer, however the sound coming out is just garbled [05:03] <TriniTriggs5> is anyone here familiar with dosfsck? [05:04] <thoreauputic> Thewrdnrd: there's a howto about enabling dmix on ubuntuguide.org that worked for me - "configure sound properly" or something like that [05:04] <matthew_> my sound didnt work when i first installed but i checked the Alsamixer and my speakers were muted, i guess i was lucky my problem was not worse [05:04] <python_> charles: Perhaps you should go back to gentoo [05:04] <Thewrdnrd> My sound works fine, it just isn't full duplex. [05:05] <reka> charles: garbled or noisy? [05:05] <Thewrdnrd> Which I suppose isn't fine for some definitions of fine. ;) But for the moment I'd rather just get this stuff working, then refine it later. [05:05] <charles> python_, yeah... i'm considering... it's just that i've been liking ubuntu besides this... I may try compiling from source [05:05] <thoreauputic> Thewrdnrd: a wise plan I think :) [05:05] <charles> reka, um... garbled... like I play a song through beep and it sounds like the chip-monks are singing it [05:05] <python_> charles: Gentoo is a great distro and if it works with your hardware, then use it and stick with it i say [05:05] <TriniTriggs5> I did a "dosfsck /dev/sda5 -l" and it returned "There are differences between boot sector and its backup. Differences: (offset:original/backup)" and it lists 3 actions: copy original to backup, vice versa, and no action [05:06] <TriniTriggs5> which one should I do? [05:06] <TriniTriggs5> I'm not even sure when these "backups" were made (I didn't make them for sure) [05:06] <python_> I find sound blaster cards work well with linux [05:07] <python_> ive got a 7.1 surround set up on mine and it works perfectly [05:07] <u19809> is there a dvd::rip package ? [05:07] <u19809> or better : how can I rip a dvd ? [05:07] <python_> u19809: Something i tried to do, and had quite a job [05:08] <hondje> yes, but you need to add backports for transcode [05:08] <hondje> or build it, eit [05:08] <reka> charles: search the forums. i recall someone having that problem in the past. [05:08] <python_> u19809: i believe xcd roast can do it, with a dvd plugin [05:08] <JaZYLNX> can anyone point me to a wiki to share my internet, i have a wifi getting the internet and a 100 card on it.. want to share the wifi over the ethernet [05:08] <u19809> hondje : what is 'backports for transcode'? [05:08] <hondje> !backports [05:08] <ubotu> from memory, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [05:09] <charles> reka, yeah I've been looking around [05:09] <hondje> I'm on my pda...typing is slow ;) [05:09] <markitoxs> anyone can tell me where can i download gdesklets (not the program)? [05:10] <ValheruLord> markitoxs, [05:10] <LinuxJones> JaZYLNX, you can easily share your internet connection with firestarter (a graphical fron end for iptables) [05:10] <charles> gentoo was such a pain to setup and such a pain to keep up to date, ubuntu has been so much easier... I only wish the distro had a bit more age under it's belt [05:10] <ValheruLord> gdesklets.gnomedesktop.prg markitoxs [05:10] <ValheruLord> gdesklets.gnomedesktop.og markitoxs [05:10] <markitoxs> it's down for days... [05:10] <bobbyd> are there any steps I need to do apart from configuring postfix to allow remote hosts on the internet to connect to my mail server? [05:10] <ValheruLord> gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org markitoxs [05:10] <thoreauputic> Thewrdnrd: you can disable esd (esound) by typing 'killall esd ' - to start it again you can do esd & [05:10] <LinuxJones> charles, Ubuntu is based on Debian which has been around for many years [05:10] <JaZYLNX> nice thanks LinuxJones [05:10] <u19809> will try [05:10] <LinuxJones> JaZYLNX, GL ;) [05:11] <markitoxs> ValheruLord, it's down for days.. can t even connect to the page [05:11] <thuron> list [05:11] <charles> LinuxJones, yes but it (ubuntu) tries very hard to be user-friendly and auto-detect your hardware and provide good default settings... in a few more years it will be able to detect more hardware properly [05:11] <JayParadise> is there any options for changing rm to putting the file to delete in the trash can instead of auto delete [05:11] <hondje> no [05:11] <reka> charles: try asking crimsun when he's active if you can't find a solution...he's the resident sound guru in here [05:11] <ubuntu> ubuntu is very good...i think [05:11] <thuron> java help any one [05:12] <phixion> is that why you named yourself after it? [05:12] <thoreauputic> JayParadise: you could make it an alias in ~/.bashrc [05:12] <hondje> mv <file> $HOME/.Trash is how you do that [05:12] <JayParadise> i could do alias rm='mv $# $HOME/.local/share/trash/files [05:12] <markitoxs> ValheruLord, u don't know ny other site? [05:12] <kemik> !java [05:12] <ubotu> I guess java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added. [05:12] <JayParadise> but in that dir i notice it has to subdirectories [05:12] <Chadza> !dvd [05:12] <ubotu> somebody said dvd was There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good. gstreamer-totem [05:12] <charles> reka, thanks I'll stick around... I actually saw a post online mentioning thanks to crimsun which is what cause me to join the channel [05:12] <JayParadise> it like autocreates trash info files [05:12] <JayParadise> o well [05:13] <ubuntu> what the comand to open another channel [05:13] <LinuxJones> charles, yeah in 2 years I would suspect Ubuntu will be the most popular distro around :) [05:13] <phixion> ubuntu: /join #channelname [05:13] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: /join #channelname [05:13] <thoreauputic> phixion: :) [05:13] <phixion> :D [05:13] <charles> LinuxJones, check distrowatch.org it would seem that way already [05:13] <thoreauputic> phixion: GMTA [05:14] <phixion> GMTA? [05:14] <LinuxJones> charles, distrowatch isn't a really good indication of that :D [05:14] <chiisai> How do I install a .deb package? [05:14] <thoreauputic> phixion: Great Minds Think Alike ;-) [05:14] <phixion> ahh :D [05:14] <ubuntu> thanks [05:14] <plopp> chiisai: dpkgv -i *.deb [05:14] <plopp> chiisai, sry dpkg -i *.deb [05:15] <PrimoTurbo> Hey guys I need some help please, I downloaded doom3 demo [05:15] <PrimoTurbo> for linux [05:15] <PrimoTurbo> how do I run the file to install it doom3-linux-1.1.1286-demo.x86.run [05:15] <PrimoTurbo> I tried sudo doom3-linux-1.1.1286-demo.x86.run [05:15] <kemik> try ./ [05:15] <reka> charles: yeah, i might be mistaken, but i think he's actually involved with sound dev [05:15] <PrimoTurbo> ./ ? [05:15] <chiisai> plopp: bash: gpkg: command not found [05:15] <plopp> PrimoTurbo sudo sh *.run [05:15] <PrimoTurbo> oh [05:15] <PrimoTurbo> k thanks [05:15] <kemik> PrimoTurbo: ./doom3-linux-1.1.1....... [05:15] <thoreauputic> chiisai: dpkg [05:15] <salapoliisi> PrimoTurbo: did it work?, since i tried with ./ but it says nothing [05:16] <plopp> chiisai dpkg [05:16] <azik> PrimoTurbo, chmod 755 doom*.run, ./doom*.rom [05:16] <chiisai> oh, typo x.x [05:16] <chiisai> Thanks, I thought my system was borked. [05:16] <Chadza> Can someone point me towards dvd playback help? [05:16] <thoreauputic> chiisai: not yet ;-) [05:16] <Chadza> Oh the wiki or forums? [05:16] <thuron> ok i am doing some thing way wrong as a noob is apt to do and can get the ls command to show java but lost from there [05:16] <kemik> !restrictedformats [05:16] <ubotu> methinks restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs' [05:17] <kemik> Chadza: libdvdcss2, need to add repository in your sources.list [05:17] <thoreauputic> !multimedia [05:17] <ubotu> well, multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia [05:17] <PrimoTurbo> sudo sh seems to be working, verifying some integirty atm [05:17] <reka> !tell thuron about java [05:17] <PrimoTurbo> how much do u guys get in the gears thing [05:17] <Chadza> What repository? [05:17] <PrimoTurbo> you know what I mean to test your video card [05:18] <PrimoTurbo> how many frames do u get? [05:18] <plopp> PrimoTurbo: ~2000fps [05:18] <PrimoTurbo> which video card do u have? [05:18] <LinuxJones> PrimoTurbo, just over 1300 fps [05:18] <thoreauputic> Chadza: read ubotu's URL above (multimedia) [05:18] <Chadza> Okay. [05:18] <Piero> hi everyone [05:18] <reka> PrimoTurbo: iirc, it's a poor benchmarking tool [05:18] <PrimoTurbo> I'm getting 2300+ [05:18] <elwood> i get 486 fps [05:18] <plopp> PrimoTurbo: Radeon 9500pro [05:18] <tucoz> !info umbrello [05:18] <Piero> where can I found instruction for how to become a download mirror? [05:18] <ubotu> umbrello: (UML modelling tool and code generator), section universe/devel, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 1757 kB, Installed size: 4856 kB [05:19] <PrimoTurbo> 9700 Pro Here [05:19] <JaZYLNX> is there a ubuntu channel that's just for ppc? [05:19] <PrimoTurbo> installing doom3 now [05:19] <LinuxJones> Piero, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/mirror/document_view [05:19] <PrimoTurbo> what's the other gears one [05:19] <PrimoTurbo> it's like gl or something [05:19] <Piero> thx LinuxJones [05:19] <JaZYLNX> because i got pdbuttons problem [05:19] <PrimoTurbo> a cube spins with 6 gears running in it? [05:20] <tucoz> I want to install umbrello, and when I type !info umbrello, it says section universe/devel. Do I need to change my sources.lst? [05:20] <tucoz> synaptic can't find the package [05:21] <reka> PrimoTurbo: fgl_glxgears [05:21] <thoreauputic> !reos [05:21] <ubotu> thoreauputic: Are you smoking crack? [05:21] <reka> tucoz: just use the search function [05:21] <thoreauputic> damn [05:21] <thoreauputic> !repos [05:21] <ubotu> well, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [05:22] <thoreauputic> reka: you need to add universe [05:22] <leroj> i love synaptic :D [05:22] <tucoz> reka: I did. It doesn't find the package. [05:22] <thoreauputic> bah sorry [05:23] <thoreauputic> tucoz: sudo apt-get update or reload synaptic [05:23] <reka> thoreauputic: i have. :) [05:23] <thoreauputic> reka: sorry it was an error - I meant tucoz ;) [05:23] <reka> tucoz: yeah, sorry....misread you, thought you meant you couldn't find it using the sections... [05:24] <reka> thoreauputic: no worries :) [05:24] <tucoz> reka: thanks anyway [05:25] <samu> does anyone know how i can display files that have filenames using japanese characters from a mounted NTFS partition? [05:26] <reka> tucoz: what diagrams are you doing OOC? [05:26] <mjr> samu, use the "utf8" option when mounting the ntfs [05:26] <mjr> samu, then they should work just fine, assuming you use the default ubuntu locales [05:27] <apokryphos> What are the more popular *gnome* apps. I presume Nautilus is one.. others? (not just GTK ones) [05:28] <PrimoTurbo> Has anyone tried the doom3 demo? [05:28] <tucoz> reka: I am programming in c++ [05:28] <reka> apokryphos: gnomebaker? :) [05:28] <tucoz> So OOP [05:28] <plopp> PrimoTurbo: yes, idid [05:28] <samu> mjr, where do you change the ubuntu locales? [05:28] <PrimoTurbo> When I run it, I get a black screen and I have to ctrl + alt + backspace [05:28] <PrimoTurbo> any idea what could be causing this? [05:28] <plopp> PrimoTurbo: i got the same problem [05:28] <PrimoTurbo> damn [05:28] <mjr> samu, you don't want to do that [05:28] <plopp> i think its because of the ati-card [05:28] <samu> mjr, ok :) [05:29] <linukso> samu: if you must, edit /etc/enviroment [05:29] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: look for apps beginning with "g" ;-) [05:29] <PrimoTurbo> yeah I have a ati 9700 Pro 128mb but I think I set it up correctly [05:29] <dippo> does ubuntu have any sort of gui wireless ESSID/WEP/WPA selection tool? [05:29] <PrimoTurbo> can u run any other gl games? [05:29] <plopp> yes [05:29] <samu> so you mean it should work as long as i dont mess around with the locales settings? [05:29] <plopp> no, wait [05:29] <mjr> samu, yes [05:29] <plopp> Nexuiz didn't run in OGL mode [05:29] <mjr> samu, but you need to unmount the ntfs and mount it again with the utf8 option, as said [05:30] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: although that doesn't apply to the absurd degree it does for "k" and KDE [05:30] <PrimoTurbo> I see [05:30] <PrimoTurbo> Well I need to find a way to fix this, I really want to see what fps I get on linux with doom3 [05:30] <plopp> PrimoTurbo: with my nvidia TNT pci card, everything works fine :) [05:30] <samu> mjr, cant i just edit the "file that i cant remember the name of but contains settings for mounted partitions" and then re-execute that "script" [05:31] <PrimoTurbo> oh well [05:31] <PrimoTurbo> does sound like a ati issue [05:31] <Thewrdnrd> Hmmm. Is there a menu item for desktop preferences like there is under Debian? [05:31] <PrimoTurbo> i'll look into it/search for it [05:31] <thoreauputic> samu: do you mean /etc/fstab ? [05:31] <plopp> yeah, waiting for new drivers [05:31] <samu> thoreauputic, ah, maybe that was the one i was trying to remember [05:31] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: why is it absurd? [05:32] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: it just seems that every KDE app begins with "K" [05:32] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: yes [05:32] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: oh, I forgot amaroK [05:32] <thoreauputic> ;) [05:33] <reka> Thewrdnrd: what sort of preferences? [05:33] <elwood> thoreauputic, klogd is no kde :) [05:33] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: but why is it absurd? [05:33] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: though, see i.e. gwenview [05:33] <thoreauputic> elwood: true [05:33] <Thewrdnrd> reka: I want to disable ESD. [05:33] <tucoz> Thanks for the help guys. See you. [05:33] <samu> so do i just add " utf8" after the "umask=0222" ? [05:34] <nebular> so I installed kubunto hoary, and it would seem that my mixer doesn't adjust the base or treble settings on my soundblaster live. [05:34] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I said "to an absurd degree" - not that it was *inherently* absurd ;-) [05:34] <elwood> Thewrdnrd, you can remove from gnome session [05:34] <mjr> samu, yes, comma-separated [05:34] <mjr> ",utf8" [05:34] <Tired_> Hello! Is it possible to install Ubuntu without using it's kernel? [05:34] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: I think it's pretty odd, but it has a warm strangeness for me :P. Easy to identify K apps, a lot of the time. [05:34] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: they'll do anything to get a K in there ;-) [05:34] <samu> mjr, ah, i see. and how do i get this script to reload again? [05:35] <Tired_> Debian-based kernels will not boot on my machine. [05:35] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: and when they do, it's uppercase :P [05:35] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I spoke in jest, sir ! [05:35] <elwood> Tired_, is easier to install ubuntu and then recompile a kernel from sources or copy the image that you preferr [05:35] <Tired_> i can't boot the install cd [05:35] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: =) [05:35] <elwood> Tired_, why?some strange hw? [05:35] <Tired_> i need to install another kernel, then get Ubuntu in there after, somehow [05:35] <mjr> samu, it's not a script; do sudo umount /ntfs ; sudo mount /ntfs (where /ntfs is where you have the thing mounted) [05:35] <Tired_> yes, known issue with debian kernels and Dell precision 610s [05:36] <JayParadise> mv ${[1-9] }* <-- i know that isn't working [05:36] <elwood> Tired_, but you have particular modules? [05:36] <Tired_> huh? [05:36] <JayParadise> im trying to set that as argument 1-9, anyone know the right format/ [05:36] <Tired_> it won't go past ok, uncompressing the kernel [05:37] <Tired_> ever [05:37] <samu> mjr, i seem to remember there was some way to automatically have the fstab file checked for any updates and change the mounts accordingly... [05:37] <Tired_> there's forum posts unresolved on this going back a year [05:37] <Tired_> from other people [05:37] <thuron> is there some one that can do a remote desk top take over to help install java i am at witts end [05:37] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I lerned never rhetorik, certayne - thing that I speke it moot be bare and plaine [05:37] <samu> well, i guess it wont kill me to do it manually just this once [05:38] <mjr> samu, mount -a probably, but I don't think it changes the options for already mounted filesystems (and besides, the ntfs driver has some trouble in changing options on the fly) [05:38] <boga> is there any keyboard short cuts to tyoing characters like these - "" and ""? [05:38] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: hehe. Good going ;-). My middle-English is still poor, no doubt. [05:38] <binbrain> is X still broken in breezy? [05:38] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: ;) [05:38] <Tired_> so, i ask again, can i run ubuntu with, say, a gentoo kernel? [05:39] <mjr> Tired_, "probably" [05:39] <elwood> Tired_, you can boot with your kernel..but from the cd [05:39] <elwood> of from other partition...i suppose [05:39] <samu> mjr, ah. well thanks. it seems to work! thank you very much! now i can finally listen to my judy ongg - miserarete mp3 [05:39] <Tired_> can i somehow incorporate the other-distro kernel into Ubuntu? [05:39] <Tired_> i don't want to run gentoo, i just need to workaround this issue [05:40] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: God woot! (I don't forget that :P) [05:40] <DekaPink> Yargh. How do I make it not play music when I happen to click on a music file? :3 [05:40] <LinuxJones> Tired_, no Ubuntu and Gentoo have different patches to the kernel [05:41] <Tired_> darn. would any non-debian-derived kernels work? [05:41] <charles> Tired_: I wish to do the same... I like ubuntu but unfortunately my gentoo kernel worked better [05:41] <reka> DekaPink: make what not play? [05:41] <kokoko1> hi, one fast question is ubuntu 64 bit distro? [05:41] <LinuxJones> Tired_, what kind of hard drive do you have ? [05:42] <DekaPink> reka: Uh... like... the file browser, I guess. [05:42] <Tired_> i have U2W SCSI drives (9.1GB) and one 27GB IDE drive [05:42] <Tired_> I typically use the scsi drives as software raid [05:42] <wdh> Tired_, you could always try to customise a vanilla kernel :P or compile your own [05:42] <reka> DekaPink: i guess you mean the preview feature when you mouse-hover....you can change that it the options [05:42] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: slept I neer on Mount Parnasso, ne lerned Marcus Tullius Cicero ... we can start #ubuntu-middle-english ;) [05:42] <Tired_> ah, but i'm a clueless newbie [05:43] <reka> DekaPink: if not, what else do you expect when you click on a music file? :) [05:43] <Tired_> i was suggested ubuntu as a new linux user [05:43] <LinuxJones> Tired_, do you currently have a working version of Linux installed ? [05:43] <kokoko1> guess not? [05:43] <Tired_> no [05:44] <reka> kokoko1: i think there's a 64bit version available...but iirc, it's not perfect and people have preferred to stick with the '32-bit' version. [05:44] <Tired_> i did have a working gentoo, but i didn't understand it [05:44] <LinuxJones> Tired_, how far can you get in the install ? [05:44] <jabra> when is breezy going to be released? [05:44] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: watch out -- I have OP powers there :P [05:44] <HiddenWolf> jabra: october [05:44] <LinuxJones> jabra, October [05:44] <Tired_> i boot the cd, i get to ok, uncomressing the kernel, it dies. [05:44] <jabra> thanks, thanks [05:44] <jabra> what do people think of the new gnome [05:45] <LinuxJones> jabra, 2.12 will rock !! [05:45] <Tired_> google shows this issue with this type of dell in debian and ubuntu forums for a long while [05:45] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: >>> thoreauputic has been kicked from #ubuntu-middle-english ( incorrect syntax) [05:45] <jabra> favorite feature? [05:45] <boga> jabra: It'll rock even more if the fonts are made more crisp. [05:45] <LinuxJones> Tired_, there is no help via google or those websites ? [05:45] <jabra> I am wondering when if if will they make nautilus naviagtion not sux [05:45] <kokoko1> reka, thanks [05:45] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: incorrect indeed! You didn't provide the reason. Use of incorrect middle-English ;-) [05:45] <LinuxJones> jabra, the services manager is a long overdue feature :) [05:46] <Tired_> a few people had the problem, but no one seems to have found a solution that didn't involve Red hat [05:46] <Tired_> installing red hat [05:46] <Tired_> :( [05:46] <jabra> LinuxJones: very true [05:46] <PrimoTurbo> Has anyone else in here played the DOOM 3 Demo on Ubuntu? [05:46] <jabra> PrimoTurbo: yes [05:46] <samu> ack, but now the "add directory" dialogue of XMMS cant display the japanese characters :( [05:46] <PrimoTurbo> did you get a black screen after running it? [05:46] <jabra> no [05:46] <PrimoTurbo> do u have an ati card? [05:47] <jabra> gotta gnome screen [05:47] <jabra> no nvidia binary [05:47] <LinuxJones> Tired_, I am wondering if you need certain scsi device drivers that aren't available in Debian based distros by default [05:47] <Tired_> Adaptec? [05:47] <elwood> LinuxJones, gnome 2.12? [05:47] <Tired_> they're pretty standard [05:47] <PrimoTurbo> I see, damn. [05:47] <LinuxJones> elwood, yeah it's coming in September [05:47] <PrimoTurbo> Do u know why I get a black screen after running doom3 demo? [05:47] <elwood> LinuxJones, any changelog? [05:47] <Tired_> AIC-7880 i believe [05:47] <PrimoTurbo> I know I setup the drivers correctly because I get better fps in gl gears [05:47] <elwood> PrimoTurbo, read logs!! [05:47] <Tired_> besides, the cd drive is ide, as is the /root [05:48] <PrimoTurbo> How can I? [05:48] <Tired_> scsi is not necessary for boot [05:48] <PrimoTurbo> I get a black screen after running the demo [05:48] <PrimoTurbo> then I cannot get back to desktop [05:48] <PrimoTurbo> I have to do ctrl alt backspace [05:48] <PrimoTurbo> it [05:48] <Tired_> besides, it hangs before it gets to look for modules. it's literally the first line [05:48] <PrimoTurbo> it's a black screen at 640 x 480 @ 85Hz [05:49] <plopp> PrimoTurbo: start from the terminal [05:49] <PrimoTurbo> I did [05:49] <PrimoTurbo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53347 [05:49] <PrimoTurbo> plopp don't u have the same issue? [05:49] <plopp> yepp [05:49] <LinuxJones> elwood, check slashdot there is a preview of 2.12 there right now about 5 stories down [05:49] <elwood> LinuxJones, it will be a great gnome :) [05:50] <PrimoTurbo> is there an alt + tab thing in Linux? [05:50] <live2> I just installed Hoary on my other computer, and I cant reach the internet. eth0 is up and all the settings seem to be correct. How do I troubleshoot this? [05:50] <plopp> yes, there is [05:50] <LinuxJones> elwood, I used to use KDE untill I installed Ubuntu, now I would never run anything else :) [05:50] <plopp> press alt + tab :) [05:50] <LinuxJones> PrimoTurbo, yes [05:51] <PrimoTurbo> yes? [05:51] <PrimoTurbo> I guess it doesn't work when I'm in doom3 [05:51] <PrimoTurbo> cause I tried it [05:51] <plopp> PrimoTurbo sometimes it doesnt work instantliy [05:51] <plopp> so try some times [05:51] <LinuxJones> PrimoTurbo, even better you can use ctrl + alt + <arrow keys> to change virtual desktops [05:51] <PrimoTurbo> I know I waited [05:51] <mjr> many games grab the whole keyboard when run in full-screen mode [05:51] <PrimoTurbo> cool didn't know [05:52] <mjr> which is rather naughty of them [05:52] <PrimoTurbo> LinuxJones: Any idea why I get a black screen in doom3 after running it? [05:52] <mjr> at least they should provide a shortcut for changing between fullscreen and windowed mode [05:52] <LinuxJones> PrimoTurbo, run it from a console terminal and look for any errors that might come up [05:52] <reka> PrimoTurbo: what drivers? [05:52] <elwood> !grub [05:52] <ubotu> it has been said that grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto [05:53] <PrimoTurbo> reka: I'm not sure I followed a guide to install them, 1 sec [05:53] <PrimoTurbo> LinuxJones: the problem is that the terminal is too fast and then I'm in doom3 with a black screen [05:53] <reka> PrimoTurbo: the binaryhowto? [05:53] <PrimoTurbo> I can't alt + tab [05:54] <PrimoTurbo> reka: I followed this - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557 [05:54] <LinuxJones> PrimoTurbo, if you hit the escape key a few times does doom3 close ? [05:54] <PrimoTurbo> no I tried [05:54] <u19809> just installed mencoder-586. It segfaults. hints ? [05:54] <derreck> PrimoTurbo, executable > file.txt 2>&1 & then read file.txt next time you come in? [05:55] <psychonate> also, I think some ID games will keep you on black screens if they can't connect to the sound device, but I could be wrong [05:55] <LinuxJones> PrimoTurbo, do you have the 3d drivers installed for your nvidia or ati card ? [05:55] <PrimoTurbo> ati [05:55] <PrimoTurbo> I don't have a nvidia card [05:55] <PrimoTurbo> I have a ATI 9700 Pro 128Mb [05:55] <LinuxJones> PrimoTurbo, but you installed the binary drivers though correct ? [05:56] <PrimoTurbo> yes I think so [05:56] <PrimoTurbo> because when I run fgl_glxgears I get 536 fps [05:56] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: it's very low!! [05:57] <reka> glxinfo | grep rendering [05:57] <PrimoTurbo> this is fgl_glxgears [05:57] <PrimoTurbo> not glxgears [05:57] <PrimoTurbo> in glxgears I just got between 3000-5000 [05:57] <PrimoTurbo> fps [05:57] <psychonate> ah, should be fine then [05:57] <PrimoTurbo> and before I was getting 200 with no drivers [05:57] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: ok [05:57] <dTk> hi. what's the name of the modules.conf file under ubuntu and where can i find it? [05:58] <LinuxJones> PrimoTurbo, did it ever work ? [05:58] <PrimoTurbo> psychonate: u might be correct [05:58] <PrimoTurbo> only esd works here? [05:58] <PrimoTurbo> I need alsa or something? [05:58] <PrimoTurbo> this is probally a sound issue isn't it [05:59] <psychonate> Well, don't get ahead of yourself. Did you get to see any ouptut from the terminal? [05:59] <PrimoTurbo> hold on I might have to relogin [05:59] <psychonate> er, why [05:59] <PrimoTurbo> cause i'll get the black screen [05:59] <PrimoTurbo> how do I save the log? [05:59] <PrimoTurbo> file.txt 2>&1 ? [06:00] <psychonate> if your screen goes black, hit ALT+CTRL+F2, login, kill the proccess, and then ALT+CTRL+F7 to get back to X [06:00] <PrimoTurbo> okay I'll try it, thanks [06:00] <psychonate> That's how I usually handle these things anyway [06:00] <PrimoTurbo> k I didn't know, 1 min [06:00] <psychonate> just make sure you know how to kill processes heh [06:02] <psychonate> I'm going to guess he didn't know how :( [06:02] <jordan_> does anyone know of a good package to convert wma to mp3 or ogg? [06:02] <psychonate> ewww [06:02] <PrimoTurbo> I have a problem [06:02] <PrimoTurbo> how do I kill doom3 process after? [06:03] <kostkon> kill -9 pid [06:03] <psychonate> jordan_, you'd be converting one lossy codec to another. That's generally a bad idea because you're going to get even more loss [06:03] <PrimoTurbo> k [06:03] <psychonate> It's better to try killing without -9 first [06:03] <dimitris> I got a problem with gtk1 application fonts. The /etc/gtk/gtkrc.utf-8 somehow got edited and uses some ungly fonts. Can someone post his gtkrc.utf-8 file so that i can restore my fonts settings for gtk1 apps. Thnx [06:03] <kostkon> ps -fu username [06:03] <kostkon> and then kill -9 pid [06:03] <kostkon> ok without -9 first [06:03] <psychonate> jordan_, it's better to just rerip your CDs, or else leave them as is if you can [06:03] <MyKq3> hi [06:04] <jordan_> really [06:04] <psychonate> jordan_, however, if you do rerip your discs, ogg vorbis is a good choice [06:04] <jordan_> that will take a LONG time [06:04] <MyKq3> how can i find out what is my Ubuntu boot partition ? [06:05] <jordan_> I originally recorded them as 192k VBR wma, but now that I am a dedicated linux user, I would like to get mp3 or ogg [06:05] <psychonate> jordan_, with the amount of loss you'd get from converting from one lossy codec to another lossy codec, I don't think it's worth it to reencode wma/mp3 to vorbis myself. [06:05] <LinuxJones> jordan_, .ogg is awesome :) [06:05] <psychonate> I would leave the files as is, or take the time to just rerip my CDs straight to vorbis. [06:05] <reka> MyKq3: look at /boot/grub/menu.lst [06:06] <jordan_> that would take weeks [06:06] <jordan_> it is a 47 GB collection [06:06] <phixion> why use wma over mp3 anyway? :o [06:06] <MyKq3> were do u have to look ??? reka [06:06] <jordan_> I was an idiot [06:06] <PrimoTurbo> how do I find the list of proccess to kill [06:06] <elwood> omg [06:06] <psychonate> Then I would leave my files as is, and just rerip new CDs (when I get them) to ogg vorbis from now on. [06:06] <james> does anyone have a linux based system? [06:06] <elwood> it takes too time [06:06] <kostkon> ps -fu username [06:06] <elwood> james, i have [06:07] <kl4> hi [06:07] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: ps -fu yourusername [06:07] <kl4> where can i paste? [06:07] <james> i just started using it and it is kinda harder then i thought [06:07] <reka> MyKq3: scroll down for a section that has a title similar to something like this: [06:07] <PrimoTurbo> thnx [06:07] <reka> title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-386 [06:07] <james> i am just trying to get it to play some music but i have having trouble installing things like that [06:07] <MyKq3> thanks [06:07] <psychonate> You have to realize that mp3, vorbis, wma, and many other codecs are "lossy," so you lose a little bit with each encode; it's not good to reencode them more than you have to. [06:08] <reka> MyKq3: then look at the kernel line....for something like 'root=/dev/hda3' [06:08] <MyKq3> reka, many thanks man [06:08] <reka> np [06:09] <PrimoTurbo> my desktop is fucked [06:09] <PrimoTurbo> it's in 640x480 [06:09] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: what happened!? [06:09] <reka> psychonate: for some reason i thought of chinese whispers when you gave that explanation :) [06:10] <PrimoTurbo> and I can't see what I'm typing [06:10] <kostkon> just restart gdm? [06:10] <dimitris> Anyone? Just paste the info from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.utf-8 file to restore my settings. [06:10] <PrimoTurbo> untill it scrolls [06:10] <PrimoTurbo> and mouse doesn't work [06:10] <psychonate> reka, er, I don't follow you. Do you mean like literally people whispering in chinese lol? [06:10] <plopp> PrimoTurbo: kcontrol ->periphals -> display [06:10] <PrimoTurbo> I killed the doom 3 process [06:10] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, ok, where you able to get back into X fine then? [06:10] <psychonate> s/where/were [06:10] <plopp> if ure using kde, of course. [06:10] <PrimoTurbo> but my desktop is stuck in 640x480 and I just see kstkon just now [06:10] <reka> PrimoTurbo: try ctrl+alt+'+' for the res problem [06:10] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: or just restart gdm [06:11] <PrimoTurbo> . [06:11] <reka> psychonate: wow, you've never heard of 'chineses whispers' !? [06:11] <psychonate> The whole point of him going through all this trouble was so that he wouldn't have to restart anything [06:11] <psychonate> reka, no :( [06:11] <psychonate> Should I have? [06:12] <PrimoTurbo> I'm in gnome but I can't see shit [06:12] <PrimoTurbo> mouse doesn't work ;( [06:12] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, did you try the what reka said? [06:12] <plopp> rpes [srtg] +[alt] + '-' [06:12] <plopp> PrimoTurbo press [srtg] +[alt] + '-' [06:13] <LinuxJones> PrimoTurbo, ctrl + alt + backspace key and then re-login [06:13] <reka> heh [06:13] <aigleblanc> tu ! [06:13] <aigleblanc> Hello [06:13] <PrimoTurbo> how do I restart gdm? [06:13] <reka> plopp: where's the 'srtg' button? [06:13] <reka> PrimoTurbo: what LinuxJones said [06:13] <Josh43> lol - looks like I came in just in time.. My gdm/graphics are broken as well [06:13] <PrimoTurbo> yeah didn't work [06:14] <plopp> reka: sry, its my german layout, i meant ctrl [06:14] <Josh43> Anyone know how to fix error 11? [06:14] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, ALT+CTRL+BACKSPACE didn't work? [06:14] <PrimoTurbo> I will loose the doom3 stuff in my terminal [06:14] <reka> plopp: oh, ok :) what's german for control? [06:14] <LinuxJones> PrimoTurbo, if you can't do that your system is frozen and you will need to hit the reset switch on your pc [06:14] <psychonate> That is true. You really should be able to just fix your resolution on the fly. [06:14] <psychonate> I'm not sure why you can't [06:15] <plopp> reka: steuerung [06:15] <PrimoTurbo> doom3 terminated after Also [06:15] <PrimoTurbo> alsa [06:15] <psychonate> ah, [06:15] <psychonate> couldn't initialize sound? [06:15] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: restart gdm: ctrl-alt-backspace [06:15] <psychonate> I suspected this. [06:15] <PrimoTurbo> be back in 1 sec [06:15] <PrimoTurbo> a [06:15] <psychonate> If that's the case, it probably doesn't like your sound server. Personally, I hate sound servers with a passion, so I always kill them. [06:16] <PrimoTurbo> Okay back [06:16] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, mind doing some experimentation? [06:16] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, what sound server do you run? [06:16] <leroj> my mplayer plugin for mozilla firefox isn't working [06:16] <psychonate> esd? [06:16] <PrimoTurbo> I think so [06:16] <jiaxiang> hi, i have a problem mounting windows, anybody can help? [06:16] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, 'ps -e | grep esd' [06:16] <psychonate> is it shown? [06:16] <PrimoTurbo> what will that do [06:16] <reka> psychonate: chinese whispers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispers [06:17] <reka> :) [06:17] <psychonate> It will show you if esd is running. [06:17] <PrimoTurbo> ps -e | grep esd [06:17] <Josh43> jiaxiang: You mean mounting an ntfs drive? [06:17] <PrimoTurbo> is what I get when I run it [06:17] <psychonate> not in here [06:17] <psychonate> in a terminal [06:17] <PrimoTurbo> my bad I was posting results [06:17] <psychonate> It didn't show ESD? [06:17] <PrimoTurbo> and it didn't copy them because terminal is not ctrl + c [06:17] <PrimoTurbo> it did [06:17] <PrimoTurbo> 6973 ? 00:00:00 esd [06:17] <jiaxiang> josh: yes. actually i mounted the ntfs drive, now my problem is accessing it [06:17] <kl4> i need to pasteeeeeeeeeee [06:17] <psychonate> ok, do this: 'killall esd' [06:17] <psychonate> good? [06:18] <raven3x7> anyone know if geforce 6200 cards are suppoerted in ubuntu? [06:18] <jiaxiang> josh: i mounted it to /mnt/win, but now i can't access it unless in root, and i can't change the permissions on it either [06:18] <blueCommand> Hi [06:18] <reka> !tell kl4 about pastebin [06:18] <Josh43> jiaxiang: Ahh.. it's just mounted with restricted permissions.. you could mount it as home/win [06:18] <psychonate> reka, oh, I know that game [06:19] <psychonate> reka, we always called it "telephone" lol [06:19] <blueCommand> To get to my point, I didn't recive any prompt to set the root password while installing ubuntu, so I'm wondering how I'm supposed to become root? [06:19] <PrimoTurbo> yeah it worked [06:19] <Josh43> jiaxiang: That means you get it only for the one user o course [06:19] <psychonate> curse western culture heh [06:19] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, excellent. Try doom3 now. [06:19] <PrimoTurbo> it worked [06:19] <PrimoTurbo> doom3 runs with sound now [06:19] <psychonate> Two points for psychonate. [06:19] <PrimoTurbo> 1 question [06:19] <Josh43> blueCommand: Dont.. use (and love) "sudo" [06:19] <reka> i'm an aussie. [06:19] <PrimoTurbo> do I need to kill esd all the time now? [06:19] <psychonate> Yet another testament as to why I hate sound servers. [06:19] <PrimoTurbo> also many of my music apps use it [06:19] <PrimoTurbo> in fact my whole system does [06:19] <reka> we always called it that....never heard of 'telephone' till i read that page. :) [06:19] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, well, you can restart esd easily once you're done playing with 'esd &' [06:20] <plopp> PrioTurbo: let ur apps use gstreamer [06:20] <blueCommand> Josh43, mount then? [06:20] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, so, you have two options: [06:20] <Shingami> hello? [06:20] <blueCommand> Josh43, I tried to use gksu or what it's called, but it asks for the root password, no luck [06:20] <jiaxiang> josh: i get the same problem mounting it to /home/win [06:20] <reka> blueCommand: : [06:20] <reka> !rootsudo [06:20] <ubotu> rootsudo is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [06:20] <Shingami> i'm a newbie [06:20] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, either kill esd before you want to play doom3, then start esd afterwards with 'esd &' or look on the forums for a way to make doom3 work with ESD. [06:20] <Shingami> can someone help me [06:20] <Josh43> blueCommand: type sudo <yourcommand> : it asks for your own user password [06:21] <PrimoTurbo> I don't think u can [06:21] <psychonate> Personaly, as I said, I absolutely hate sound servers, so I don't know a way to make doom3 work easily with ESD off the top of my head [06:21] <PrimoTurbo> what about setting all the apps to run in Alsa? [06:21] <PrimoTurbo> cause it works for me also [06:21] <kl4> i have this http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/326187 [06:21] <plopp> PrimoTurbo use a shellscript to let esd be killed and restarted autmatically [06:21] <Shingami> I'm needing help loading drivers [06:21] <Shingami> newbie here [06:21] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, I'm not sure if all the GNOME apps will like that. [06:21] <Josh43> blueCommand: Or, if you really want: sudo -s (root prompt) [06:21] <PrimoTurbo> I see [06:21] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, a good solution would be to make a little script to start doom3 for you. [06:21] <reka> Shingami: what drivers? [06:21] <PrimoTurbo> I like that [06:22] <PrimoTurbo> how can I make one like that? [06:22] <psychonate> I don't know much about scripting, but it shouldn't be too hard. Let me try to make one quick for you. [06:27] <kl4> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/326187 [06:27] <PrimoTurbo> and how can I make a icon for doom3? [06:27] <blueCommand> Josh43, thanks [06:27] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, what is the command to start doom3? simply 'doom3'? [06:27] <PrimoTurbo> doom3-demo [06:27] <Josh43> jiaxiang: not "/home/win", but <your home directory>/win [06:27] <JoshRA> Hallo is there away to do a network install [06:27] <JoshRA> of ubuntu [06:27] <jiaxiang> josh: thanks, i'll try it again [06:27] <reka> Shingami: in the channel please [06:27] <Di42lo> if i have : 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3) - what do i need to apt-get to install it ? [06:27] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, alright, give me a minute. I don't do much scripting, so I'm not sure if this will be good or not heh [06:27] <LinuxJones> PrimoTurbo, the doom 3 file that you run is probably a script itself. If so you can just add the command to that script itself at the top. (If doom3 is designed like Quake3) [06:27] <PrimoTurbo> no problem, thanks for your help, I aprricate it [06:27] <Josh43> ok, anyone ready yet to help me with error 11 on an ati a64 box? [06:27] <Shingami> Nvidia drivers [06:27] <Shingami> nforce and nvidia video [06:27] <Di42lo> nvidia-glx ? [06:27] <Di42lo> with all the dependies ? [06:27] <psychonate> yeah, you probably could change their startup script, but I usually prefer to leave those things alone. [06:27] <Shingami> reka? [06:27] <reka> !nvidia [06:27] <ubotu> well, nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto [06:27] <Di42lo> tgx [06:27] <Di42lo> thx [06:27] <reka> Shingami: go to the page ubotu spat out [06:27] <LinuxJones> psychonate, true, but then again I am a dog for punishing myself :D [06:27] <Shingami> thx [06:27] <JoshRA> Hello, I see the install from kanopix can i do that drom the liuve cd? [06:27] <carlos> hola buenas tardes [06:27] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, mind if I PM you? [06:27] <Shingami> hey reka [06:27] <PrimoTurbo> np [06:27] <eno> how do I give my self access to write on /dev/hda4 (or whatever)? [06:27] <PrimoTurbo> pm me all u want [06:27] <Shingami> that shows how to load ubuntu drivers [06:27] <Shingami> but not the nvidia drivers [06:27] <Shingami> if that makes sense? [06:27] <reka> Josh43: afaik, no. you can't install stuff with the liveCD [06:27] <JoshRA> reka: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/FromKnoppix [06:27] <kl4> im new bit [06:27] <reka> Shingami: really? i thought the nvidia stuff was towards the bottom [06:27] <JoshRA> is the liuve cd based off knoppix [06:27] <Shingami> never mind it does [06:27] <apokryphos> JoshRA: hah! nice. [06:27] <Shingami> i see it now how to do compile your own [06:27] <Josh43> reka: weren't me that asked ;) [06:27] <kl4> im newbie [06:28] <LinuxJones> Josh43, I think parts of it were based on the work of Morphix [06:28] <littleworm> how can i run a command on startup? [06:28] <Shingami> thnx reka [06:28] <Josh43> JoshRA: The knoppix liveCD is based on debian.. Ubuntu is also based on Debian.. that's about it [06:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hi sorry about that [06:28] <zeedo> :-( http://store.mozilla.org/?r=mozorg [06:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > Lipstick has made a folder in the folder I extracted it to called Styles [06:29] <reka> Josh43: oh, right :) [06:29] <Alex[RM-UK] > but god knows what to do [06:29] <eno> don't people usually say that knoppix is pretty far flung from debian though? [06:29] <jiaxiang> josh: i'm sorry, i tried the same thing in my own directory, same result. i can't access it. when i try to chmod it says changing permissions, read-only filesystem and i'm stuck again. [06:29] <littleworm> how can i run a command on startup? [06:29] <Josh43> jiaxiang: ok, what fstab entry do you have? [06:29] <jiaxiang> josh: how do i check that? [06:30] <Josh43> eno: debian is a core, not technically the logistics and packages around it, so while the traditional debian install is far from what knoppix is; they are brothers [06:31] <Josh43> jiaxiang: /etc/fstab [06:31] <eno> knoppix is pretty awesome... when I was first installing linux it was what showed me the light at the end of the tunnel [06:31] <eno> but HOLY HELL was I ever confused at first! [06:31] <Josh43> eno: Yeah, same.. Knoppix was a gateway :) [06:32] <reka> eno: as in the install was confusing? [06:32] <Josh43> reka: in general, I think ;) [06:32] <holycow> eno, there is quite a bit to pick up on [06:32] <eno> no I tried to just install Debian, but after I installed I just had a command line and no clue what to do. [06:33] <reka> lol, i remember when i first used it as a linux-newbie i couldn't work out what to do at the prompt....had to google to find out you type in 'knoppix' :D [06:33] <blueCommand> how can I see what programs that are using a specific file? [06:34] <Alex[RM-UK] > hahaha, eariler today I was I was going to try Mac OSX......I totaly forgot you need a MaC pc to even run it :( [06:34] <Alex[RM-UK] > bugger to than then :( [06:34] <holycow> eno, was this before debian sarge? [06:34] <Josh43> reka: lol.. yeah, it took me 2 hours to find "startx" [06:34] <blueCommand> trying to solve "** WARNING **: alsa_setup(): Failed to open pcm device (hw:0,0): Device or resource busy" [06:34] <LinuxJones> blueCommand, lsof [06:34] <holycow> eno, i believe debian asks you if you want desktop/server/etc [06:34] <eno> Maybe [06:34] <holycow> desktop does install a desktop actually [06:34] <eno> well that shows me! I was confused though [06:35] <eno> and I still am! [06:35] <holycow> eno it will take about a year :) [06:35] <jiaxiang> josh: my fstab has entries for the ext3, swap, cdrom and floppy drives. it doesn't haev any entry on my ntfs drive [06:35] <holycow> putter around, then you will have an 'aha' moment and it all shall make sense [06:35] <reka> Josh43: that's rather understandable though :) [06:35] <Josh43> jiaxiang: go to wiki.ubunutu.com , and look up mount ntfs - that will sort you out no problem :) [06:36] <jiaxiang> josh: alright thanks [06:36] <eno> so is there a way to give my eno user access to a partition like root has, or do I have to do everything in prompt? [06:37] <holycow> eno, for that you will still haveto use command line [06:37] <holycow> until someone writes an interface for fstab [06:37] <eno> oh well. I am fine with typing [06:38] <holycow> eno, just keep in mind there is a reason no one bothers writing on [06:38] <holycow> it's just easier to use the cli as the interface [06:39] <sm> morning all [06:39] <eno> You just change the permissions to the drive somehow... I don't see why there is no reason to do that [06:39] <sm> I have a mixture of ext3/ntfs/fat partitions [06:39] <eno> partition I mean [06:39] <sm> how do I go about adjusting their sizes without re-installing from scratchg [06:40] <eno> install gparted [06:40] <sorush20> guys I have more than one of the same printer drivers installed. how can I make sure I only have one.. [06:41] <LinuxJones> sorush20, gnome-cups-manager ? [06:41] <trans_err> how can I make certain init scripts load in the background, and not have to wait for them to complete [06:42] <sm> eno, I can't figure out how to do it with gparted [06:42] <sm> it won't let me do most operations [06:42] <LinuxJones> trans_err, you can add a '&' like foo& to make it run in the background [06:42] <sm> do I have to run it from a boot cd ? [06:42] <eno> well It wont resize ntfs I know [06:42] <eno> so you would have to copy that data to somewhere else and then format it as something worhtwhile like xfs [06:42] <trans_err> LinuxJones: so I have to find the part of the script thats stalling, or where the script is being called? [06:43] <sm> ok thanks.. but I'm looking for the tool/method to resize what I have [06:43] <psychonate> just run the script from the command line and add a & after the name [06:43] <trans_err> LinuxJones: theres are init scripts at boot time [06:43] <sm> I feel there must be a way by now [06:43] <LinuxJones> trans_err, you should add those to your script so that each command will run in the background as a different job [06:43] <Josh43> Ok, last chance; anyone want to help me w/error 11 while trying to run x11? Or point me towards wiping the current display drivers and reinstalling? [06:43] <LinuxJones> trans_err, ohh [06:44] <trans_err> LinuxJones: light bulb go off :D [06:44] <LinuxJones> trans_err, :) [06:44] <trans_err> LinuxJones: any ideas now :D [06:45] <LinuxJones> trans_err, I wouldn't mess with any init scripts to be honest [06:46] <moyogo> rrrr [06:47] <trans_err> LinuxJones: yeah, but I should be able to tell it to load networking in the background while gdm and such loads-- it seems backwards that the computer can't be loading other things [06:47] <moyogo> breezy is still no good for testing? [06:47] <charles> I'm running breezy right now, most of the system works but Xorg was difficult to get setup... not recommended for non-tinkerers [06:48] <moyogo> charles: mmmm maybe i'll give it a shot then [06:48] <lok> charles, mine have problemes with keayboard [06:48] <psychonate> trans_err, things would maybe get a bit disorderly, considering some things need to load before others [06:48] <psychonate> but I'm no expert on init [06:48] <charles> lok: yeah mine too... I wouldn't switch to breezy without a backup system [06:48] <lok> and is slower than old one [06:49] <charles> lok: what's going on with the keyboard? [06:49] <lok> some keys combinaison are invalid [06:49] <moyogo> is the live cd good? [06:49] <trans_err> looks like its time for me to tinker :D [06:50] <jordan_> does anyone know where you can read more about the breezy development? [06:50] <Josh43> moyogo: definately, yes [06:50] <jordan_> I really want to know how things are going, when the expected release date is [06:50] <Josh43> jordan_: October [06:50] <jordan_> and what to expect [06:50] <jordan_> I can't wait [06:50] <edited> hello, i need help with Xorg, i dunno why this time i got an error, i have installed ubuntu on this laptop several times and i never had any problems [06:51] <jordan_> I love the 6 month release cycle!!!! [06:51] <eno> can I just upgrade in october or will I have to reinstall? [06:51] <zany> hey [06:51] <Josh43> jordan_; You and me both.. I'm an upgrade whore ;) [06:51] <jordan_> it is like christmas/kwanza twice a year [06:51] <zany> having a question or at least a problem [06:51] <Josh43> eno: Ubgrade is no problem [06:51] <charles> eno: upgrade pobably [06:51] <jordan_> you can upgrade easy [06:51] <jordan_> apt-get upgrade-distro or something like that [06:51] <eno> I love ubuntu [06:52] <moyogo> but the channel's topic is still warning not to! ;P [06:52] <Josh43> jordan_: that easy? I thought you had to change to the upgrade repository, then run an upgrade all [06:52] <thr1ce> you change hoary to breezy in /etc/apt/sources.list, then run apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade [06:53] <zany> i tried to disable ipv6 but whatever i do, i always have a superslow internet connection... what is weird is that my internet connection is just a cable-modem connected via ethernet card [06:53] <zany> anyone has an hint please ? [06:53] <zany> i'm really stuck [06:54] <Josh43> zany: test it with doing apt-get on something.. should go at least 50KB/s [06:54] <LokeDK> is there something to make divx movies, in linux, to dvd [06:54] <psychonate> eww [06:54] <psychonate> seems like a waste of a DVD ;) [06:54] <Josh43> but, since I'm out in the cold for help on my own issue: I need to reboot :) [06:55] <mjr> it's possible, but I think it requires manual labor [06:55] <psychonate> mencoder should be able to do it [06:55] <Josh43> LokeDK: Yes, it's this great system called "Torrent".. you find the "conversion file" for the movie, and add DVDR [06:55] <manu> LokeDK : acidrip ? [06:55] <moyogo> aight... dist-upgrading to breezy, whatever happens happens [06:56] <psychonate> LokeDK, http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=242455 [06:56] <thr1ce> moyogo, i wouldn't [06:56] <thr1ce> X is broken [06:56] <lok> moyogo, it's just what I've made [06:56] <manu> moyogo : "Whatever" could be a broken X server [06:56] <Josh43> bbl [06:56] <psychonate> LokeDK, although I would think AVI to SVCD would be more practical, as you wouldn't waste a more expensive DVD disk. [06:56] <asfra> can somebody tell me what to put in sources.list to get mplayer? [06:56] <zeus> hello [06:56] <jordan_> divx to dvd won't be very good [06:56] <lok> and I have many trouble with gnome, my keyboard [06:56] <moyogo> why is it not broken on the live cd? [06:56] <zeus> anyone has experiance with centrino driver? [06:57] <manu> moyogo : Instead, I would just dist-upgrade, cancel, see what packages you really need to upgrade, then apt-get install them [06:57] <psychonate> jordan_, probably not, which is why at least (S)VCD would only waste a CDR. [06:57] <thr1ce> no [06:57] <thr1ce> do not upgrade to breezy packs [06:57] <thr1ce> they are all gcc, and that will break your system too [06:57] <thr1ce> gcc4* [06:57] <asfra> can somebody tell me what to put in sources.list to get mplayer? [06:57] <LokeDK> psychonate, hmm don't really know much about it.. does that mean that my divx avi should be a .. err.. what do you call it.. raw avi? [06:57] <moyogo> manu dist-upgrade was going to install about 700+ packages [06:58] <LinuxJones> trans_err, it would be nice if Linux could use the OpenSolaris approach for booting. It can load in like 8 seconds from powerup on a multi-processor system. [06:59] <thr1ce> moyogo, what packs would you like ? [06:59] <psychonate> LokeDK, I don't think that really has to do with it. Basically, if you convert your AVI to DVD, you will have to burn it onto a 4+ gig DVD, which seems like a waste because your original AVI is probably only like 700MB. If you convert the AVI to an (S)VCD instead, you'd only have to burn the SVCD onto one CDR. [06:59] <moyogo> thr1ce: what's coming up in gnome 2.12 [06:59] <asfra> can somebody tell me what to put in sources.list to get mplayer? please [07:00] <thr1ce> moyogo, well, 2.12 is still in beta; i'd wait til breezy hits RC1 [07:00] <psychonate> LokeDK, and since your source material is only a 700MB AVI, your DVD might not even be that much better than the (S)VCD would have been. [07:00] <thr1ce> it isn't stable at all atm [07:01] <asfra> can somebody tell me what to put in sources.list to get mplayer? please [07:01] <[Spooky] > asfra: check www.ubuntuguide.org [07:01] <asfra> ok, thanks [07:01] <thr1ce> asfra, stop asking; look it up [07:02] <psychonate> LokeDK, however, you might want to try each one yourself and compare them. [07:02] <eno> how do I enter a parenteses in the prompt so that it won't give an error? [07:02] <znh> b [07:02] <znh> are [07:02] <znh> b [07:02] <znh> brb [07:02] <znh> lol [07:02] <znh> xD [07:03] <psychonate> LokeDK, the first link was for conversion to DVD; you can also take a look at converting to VCD: http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/ [07:03] <cute_bettong> O_o [07:03] <LokeDK> psychonate, oh well doesn't matter with the quality :) [07:03] <eno> ha figured it out, just like TeX [07:03] <LokeDK> oh thx [07:04] <psychonate> LokeDK, or if you are a fan of mencoder: http://mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-vcd-dvd.html .Their docs look pretty good, but a bit more complicated. [07:05] <LokeDK> psychonate, is there a big difference besides gui and text? [07:05] <psychonate> LokeDK, actually, the mencoder docs' examples at the bottom of that page look fairly promising. [07:06] <Speckmade> I, Ubuntu newbie, got some problems. Anyone in the mood to help? [07:06] <psychonate> LokeDK, not really. Like I said, I would try them both (eventually at least) just for comparison. Right now just pick whichever you think looks better I suppose. [07:06] <t0mmy> shoot, speck [07:06] <LokeDK> oh okay.. i'll start with the gui thing [07:06] <psychonate> LokeDK, btw, that also shows DVD conversion, so they cover pretty much anything it seems :) [07:07] <t0mmy> isn't a download gaim thing pointless in #ubuntu? :D [07:07] <psychonate> quick note: SVCD > VCD, but you might not be able to fit everything on if you use SVCD. Depends mostly on the length of the video IIRC [07:08] <jcs> Anybody know which package I need to install to get the manpages for standard C functions like memcpy? [07:08] <LokeDK> what's the difference between SVCD and DVD (sorry not familar with all that dvd stuff) [07:08] <djp> by changing preferred applications for mail reader and web browser under System/Applications, what is actually changed? does that make a universal change for any programs for example that allow you to send items via email? [07:08] <psychonate> DVD is much higher quality in *most* cases. [07:08] <Speckmade> The most important thing atm is: I need a comfortable way to get installed software back in a form, that others can use to install it on their system. [07:09] <t0mmy> ugh, speck, it's lunchtime for me- but most of these guys can help you [07:10] <LokeDK> But I can burn SVCD on a dvd and make it play? [07:10] <josh43> Yay! Fixed it myself :P [07:10] <psychonate> However, you can't get higher quality than you have in the original source material (your AVI in this case). That's why DVD and SVCD probably wouldn't be too different in this case (because you can't gain any quality on the reencode; the best you can do is get about the same quality as in the AVI). [07:10] <psychonate> LokeDK, SVCD will play on most players. There is a database you can check. I'll try to link you. [07:11] <AndieB> Hola ppl! [07:11] <psychonate> I'm not sure if I explained the SVCD/DVD thing very well, but I tried :) [07:11] <AndieB> The Ubuntu Linux newbie is back! [07:11] <LokeDK> it's okay :) i understood [07:12] <psychonate> LokeDK, this will show you what your DVD player can do (assuming it's listed): http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers [07:12] <Heimdall> hey room [07:13] <Heimdall> is there somebody with fluxbox here ? [07:13] <nightswim> I used to use it [07:13] <Speckmade> Does anyone know a comfortable way to get installed software back in a form, that others can use to install it on their system? [07:13] <AndieB> So, anyone who AGAIN call tell me how to install a .jar file with java? [07:13] <LokeDK> psychonate, mine isn't listed.. perhaps because it's a cheap one.. which is not "famous" [07:13] <jcarr> can I change my apt sources to debian sources and do a dist-upgrade to Debian Sid? [07:13] <Heimdall> I do not understand why fluxbox change my wallpaper each time I open y session [07:13] <Heimdall> my* [07:13] <jcarr> Andares, java -jar jarfile.jar [07:14] <AndieB> jcarr: I thank you for that!! [07:14] <thr1ce> Heimdall, set root.command in ~/.fluxbox/init to fbsetbg /path/to/wallpaper.jpg [07:14] <Heimdall> I did change the 'init' file as it is said on the fluxbox website [07:14] <jcarr> AndieB, all a jar is is an archive file of java binaries [07:14] <jcarr> like a tar file [07:14] <jcs> Heimdall: so what program are you calling in init to set the wallpaper? [07:14] <Heimdall> session.screen0.rootCommand: bsetbg -f ~/wallpapers/mirko_invasion.jpg [07:14] <LokeDK> psychonate, is SVCD a .avi file? or can be [07:14] <AndieB> jcarr: Oki, I C... (remember, me = newbie ;) ) [07:14] <psychonate> LokeDK, well, most players will play (S)VCD, but I can't guarantee that yours will. You'd have to try to know for sure, or else just encode to DVD. [07:14] <jcs> Heimdall: so it's changing to what? [07:14] <psychonate> LokeDK, SVCD is not an AVI [07:15] <jcarr> AndieB, kind of funny, since I am installing J2EE on my laptop right now for development [07:15] <Heimdall> jcs, each time I open my session it is a brown screen without any wallpaper [07:15] <AndieB> jcarr Ah, nice! [07:15] <jcarr> if I could just get oracle installed :( [07:15] <LokeDK> psychonate, ah i see.. [07:15] <psychonate> LokeDK, (S)VCDs are actually created with mpegs [07:15] <jcs> what happens if you issue that full command in a terminal while fluxbox is running? [07:15] <LokeDK> psychonate, so it doesn't have the .avi extension? because AVI is set as output [07:15] <Heimdall> jcs, but my file exists, I can change it typing bsetbg -f filename [07:15] <LokeDK> ah you can choose that also [07:15] <AndieB> jcarr I just installed j2sdk1.5 in order to be able to use my jEdit [07:16] <psychonate> LokeDK, which guide did you decide to use? [07:16] <jcarr> ah, my editor of choice :) [07:16] <LokeDK> psychonate, what .. audio does SVCD use? i [07:16] <LokeDK> psychonate, you mean which program or? [07:17] <jcarr> the folding feature is probably my favorite, since my class files can sometimes be quite large with all those docblocks [07:17] <psychonate> LokeDK, mp2 usually [07:17] <Heimdall> hum it is weird no ? [07:17] <psychonate> LokeDK, yeah, which program? [07:17] <djp> infact, would i even need to make changes to preferred applications, if i want to use emacs for my web browsing and email? [07:17] <jcarr> wow... my DSL has been fast as of late... I just downloaded a 150mb file in 15 minutes [07:17] <djp> would it have any effect? [07:17] <AndieB> Hmm, I'm curious of what could be "wrong". Now when running on Ubuntu Linux (5.04) I get the feeling that it takes an unusally long time to resolve DNS queries. It went much faster with my Windows XP, anyone got any idea what can be wrong or changed? [07:17] <eno> what is fstab short for? [07:17] <mebaran151_> filesystem tab [07:18] <Speckmade> file system table? [07:18] <eno> it should be partition tab or something :S [07:18] <mebaran151_> filesystem tabulation [07:18] <mebaran151_> quit [07:18] <jcarr> AndieB, urg... I had that problem before with some other distro... damn I wish I could remember what the cause was [07:18] <LokeDK> psychonate, the gui.. aviem something [07:18] <psychonate> LokeDK, alright, and you're looking at that link? It should explain everything pretty well. [07:19] <paulproteus> table. [07:19] <paulproteus> filesystem table. [07:19] <AndieB> jcarr Oki... I'm using a Wlan... (D-Link DWL-650)... [07:19] <jcarr> anyone know how compatible mono is with .NET? [07:20] <vader1102> jcarr: no idea [07:20] <jcarr> I mean, how much I could write something in C# in mono and I could compile it on .NET with little fuss? [07:20] <AndieB> jcarr So wierd that it takes longer time now, than before... ALL settings are the same as when I run WinXP... [07:20] <LokeDK> psychonate, yeah I am.. just not sure which aspect ratio (or however it's spelled) [07:20] <tucoz> I am writing a small tutorial on how to get ubuntu running on the laptop I use. Just need to know if gcc is included in the build-essential package. Is it? [07:20] <tucoz> that is gcc and g++ [07:20] <LokeDK> psychonate, http://loke.linux.dk/avidemux.jpg if you please could have a look [07:21] <jcarr> AndieB, yeah.. I'm a computer science graduate, but hardware is my weak point :) [07:21] <jcarr> I remember having a similar problem though and spending 6 hours searching for a solution [07:21] <Speckmade> Someone has set my system to synchronize the clock to ntp.ubuntu.org or something everytime it boots. How can I reset this? [07:21] <paulproteus> jcarr: Mostly, unless you use the Microsoft GUI stuff. [07:21] <paulproteus> jcarr: You should check out the Mono website for specifics. [07:22] <psychonate> LokeDK, I see your picture, but I'm not sure what problem you are having. Do you mean you don't know what resolution to use? [07:22] <skalpel> does gbnome terminal support transparency? [07:22] <t0mmy> yes [07:22] <jcarr> paulproteus, cool, because I'm wanting to touch up on .NET since I got hired for a job that'll have me doing .NET stuff [07:22] <jcarr> it's entry level, but I like to get ahead :) [07:22] <paulproteus> jcarr: There are a lot of GNOME apps written in C#/Mono. [07:22] <eno> has anyone here had trouble setting up SDL dev libraries? When I compile it seems to be missing something [07:22] <paulproteus> It's sort of icky-feeling, in my opinion. :) [07:23] <jcarr> .NET and J2EE [07:23] <t0mmy> ska, go to edit->profiles [07:23] <t0mmy> click default and click edit [07:23] <t0mmy> then go to the effects tab [07:23] <AndieB> jcarr: ;) [07:23] <djp> anyone know anything about preferred applications? [07:23] <LokeDK> psychonate, nope.. 16:6 ? [07:23] <LokeDK> 16:9* [07:23] <paulproteus> tim: Cool, rochester.rr.com :) [07:24] <paulproteus> tim: I'm from Rochester, though currently at Univ. in Baltimore. [07:24] <psychonate> LokeDK, er, where does it ask you for that? [07:24] <tim> yup :) [07:24] <asfra> LokeDK: are you the one that wrote HAM? [07:24] <doctor_salvia> hey hey [07:24] <tim> paulproteus, Fairport...but heading off to UB next year [07:24] <Speckmade> you back from your meal, t0mmy? [07:25] <LokeDK> asfra, err.. what's that? [07:25] <psychonate> LokeDK, 16:9 = widescreen TV. 4:3 = standard TV. [07:25] <LokeDK> psychonate, in video configuration [07:25] <LokeDK> oh well i have a standard TV 14" [07:25] <skalpel> how can i set my gnome terminal to use transparency? [07:25] <carambol> whats the name of the channel for ubuntu-dev? [07:25] <thr1ce> skalpel, he just explained it to you... [07:25] <psychonate> LokeDK, Use 4:3 then I guess. I didn't realize it would ask you for that. I don't think it's in the guide either. [07:26] <catolh> Can anyone recommend a good bt client? Azureus looks like shit in linux. [07:26] <asfra> LokeDK: it's an assistant manager for an online football game, it's another loke from denmark that wrote it I guess.. :) [07:26] <psychonate> catolh, I prefer bittornado. [07:26] <catolh> psychonate, how do i install it and start it?.. :p [07:26] <LokeDK> asfra, Yes it must be :) [07:26] <catolh> psychonate, i tried sudo apt-get install bittornado once, but i couldnt start it [07:27] <psychonate> catolh, did you search the packages via synaptic or apt-cache search? [07:27] <LokeDK> psychonate, Nah just wanted to make sure :) [07:27] <eno> could someone answer carambols question? I want to know too [07:27] <catolh> psychonate, neither, just apt-get install [07:27] <psychonate> LokeDK, if it doesn't ask, I don't reply :) [07:27] <psychonate> catolh, try 'apt-cache search bittornado' [07:28] <lee> does anybody use gnome-terminal with irssi running remotely in a screen? [07:28] <catolh> psychonate, doh.. bittornado-gui.. :p [07:28] <psychonate> yeah, there is bittornado and bittornado-gui [07:28] <eno> can I mount a second drive into / and get more space? [07:29] <t0mmy> back, speck [07:29] <LokeDK> psychonate, okay :) just wondering it says to encode audio .. file>save audio.. that's not an option [07:29] <skalpel> t0mmy: thank you [07:29] <t0mmy> you're welcome :D [07:29] <psychonate> catolh, if it didn't make an icon/menu entry, you should be able to start it with 'btdownloadgui.bittornado' [07:29] <t0mmy> (i need to start cutting down on my emoticon usage >_<) [07:30] <skalpel> t0mmy: is there any way to tint that? [07:30] <catolh> psychonate, ok, thanks :) [07:30] <LokeDK> psychonate, nevermind found it somewhere else [07:30] <t0mmy> just move the shade meter [07:30] <psychonate> LokeDK, sounds good. If the AVI is a decent size, this all might take a while. [07:31] <psychonate> LokeDK, btw, how big is it? [07:31] <djp> ok. i have changed the preferred application that i want to open url links. however, even if i click on a link it still opens in firefox! any ideas? [07:31] <skalpel> t0mmy: yeah but that does not set a color, it just tints the background [07:31] <esac_> i seem to be missing smbmount, what do i need to install to get it ? [07:31] <catolh> psychonate, i get an error when starting it.. "Mailcap file /etc/mailcap, line 72: incomplete entry ignored." [07:31] <skalpel> i want it to be blue [07:31] <catolh> psychonate, it doesnt stop though [07:31] <t0mmy> change the BG color in the colors tab [07:31] <skalpel> thank you [07:31] <skalpel> also, can i set it to open to a certain window size? [07:31] <t0mmy> i don't think so... [07:32] <LokeDK> psychonate, the divx avi file? [07:32] <t0mmy> well, using the --geometry command line switch [07:32] <skalpel> ok, thank you [07:32] <psychonate> catolh, it doesn't sound major, so I wouldn't worry about it; I don't think it will affect avidemux. You might want to take the time to check it out sometime though. [07:32] <skalpel> --geometry x y [07:32] <skalpel> correct? [07:32] <psychonate> LokeDK, yeah, the AVI? [07:32] <LokeDK> 700mb [07:32] <t0mmy> probably [07:33] <t0mmy> it might be --geometry=30x40 or whatever [07:33] <LokeDK> psychonate, what'd think the size of it will be after all that encoding? [07:33] <skalpel> ok, thank you [07:33] <dvhart> I am trying to download breezy sources so I can rebuild a newer version of hplip for hoary... but 'apt-get source' always says it can't find source for the package [07:33] <psychonate> LokeDK, OK, that's good. How long is the movie about? My only concern is that your mpeg might turn out to be too large, especially if you're trying for SVCD. [07:33] <dvhart> I have tried other packages as well, same result [07:33] <persi1> Would anyone like to troubleshoot jack and polypaudio today? [07:33] <djp> ok. i have changed the preferred application that i want to open url links. however, even if i click on a link it still opens in firefox! any ideas? [07:34] <Cin> alriiiiiight SUNDAY DINNER TAAAAAAAM [07:34] <LokeDK> psychonate, time? 1hour 15 mins [07:34] <Cin> oh sorry, wrong box [07:34] <Cin> :\ [07:34] <dvhart> is there something special I have to do in order to download breezy sources to hoary? (besides adding the apt source line) ?? [07:34] <skalpel> t0mmy: can you tell me what the full custom command would be to set my geometry? [07:35] <indigirl1> sudo: unable to lookup satellite via gethostbyname() [07:35] <LokeDK> psychonate, 790mb.. a normal 80min cd is too small for that [07:35] <indigirl1> i changed /etc/hosts and suddenly i'm unable to sudo anything! so i can't even fix the hosts file. help! [07:35] <t0mmy> gnome-terminal --geometry=50x20 [07:35] <t0mmy> as an example [07:36] <skalpel> thank you, i believe that will be all i need/ [07:36] <gradzac> indigirl1: use "su" and become root [07:36] <bobbyd> indigirl1, you can select recovery mode on boot up [07:36] <t0mmy> you're welcome, ska [07:36] <indigirl1> gradzac: ubuntu doesn't allow su [07:36] <persi1> indigirl1: if you have a root password, try logging into a virtual terminal. [07:36] <gradzac> indigirl1: sure it does, I use it all the time [07:36] <bobbyd> indigirl1, in recovery mode you are root on the local machine [07:37] <indigirl1> persi1: ubuntu doesn't allow logging in as root [07:37] <psychonate> LokeDK, honestly, I don't know if that's a typo or not [07:37] <indigirl1> bobbyd: how can i do recovery mode? [07:37] <gradzac> indigirl1: it is more correct to say that you can't log in as root unless you set a root password :) [07:37] <bobbyd> indigirl1, as I said, when you reboot, choose it fro mthe boot menu [07:37] <LokeDK> psychonate, oh okay.. well i'll give it a try [07:37] <persi1> indigirl1: It does on my box. Booting into recovery mode ought to let you fix it. [07:38] <indigirl1> bobbyd: i think i disabled it in the boot menu. if so, what then? [07:38] <psychonate> LokeDK, if it doesn't work out, you can try VCD instead (AFAIK 1 hour 15 seconds will certainly fit on a VCD) [07:38] <bobbyd> indigirl1, ohhh. don't know, sorry... [07:38] <psychonate> s/seconds/minute [07:38] <dvhart> indigirl1, just edit the grub entry and add single to the kernel options [07:38] <indigirl1> use boot parameter maybe? [07:38] <gradzac> indigirl1: I think you can pass a kernel parameter to start in runlevel 0 [07:38] <thr1ce> what is the name of the player similar to rhythmbox for gnome? [07:39] <skalpel> can someone tell me why when i start my gnome-terminal it shows on my screen for an instant and then closes? [07:39] <dvhart> indigirl1, highlight the kernel, press e, highlight the command that starts with kernel, append 'single' to the end, press ESC, press b [07:39] <indigirl1> gradzac: how do i set a root passwd after this mess is fixed? [07:39] <dvhart> indigirl1, sudo passwd [07:39] <psychonate> LokeDK, and if *that* doesn't work out, you can try the mplayer guide or the DVD guide. I wish I could be more helpful than that, but it's been a while since I've done this sort of thing. [07:39] <gradzac> do what dvhart said [07:39] <asfra> Are virus a problem when running linux? are firewalls recommended? *just wondering* [07:39] <gradzac> indigirl1: sudo passwd root [07:40] <psychonate> LokeDK, You can definitely get it one way or another. You just might have to try a few things. At least you'll have a good idea of what you're doing in future attempts. [07:40] <apokryphos> asfra: no, not really needed for ordinary users [07:40] <dvhart> gradzac, root is actually superfluous since sudo is running it as root already [07:40] <gradzac> indigirl1: you said you messed with hosts.conf? can you fix that with the network app on the System menu? [07:40] <indigirl1> cool. i like/love ubuntu but this is sorta silly. but it will work [07:40] <asfra> apokryphos: ok, thanks [07:40] <coolkev> How do i login to my system as root [07:40] <indigirl1> gradzac: not hosts.conf but hosts [07:41] <coolkev> I'm trying to delete the CVS version of gaim i downloaded [07:41] <dvhart> is anyone here able to download sources from breezy? [07:41] <gradzac> dvhart: not sure about that, I think "sudo passwd" will change the password for the current user [07:41] <[Spooky] > there is viruses for *nix right ? [07:41] <djp> can anybody tell me why if you make a change to the preferred applications for use of web browser and mail reader under ubuntu hoary, it makes not the slightest difference!?! [07:41] <Amaranth> [Spooky] : Mostly proof-of-concept things. [07:41] <gradzac> indigirl1: yeah, thats what I meant :) [07:41] <skalpel> can someone tell me why when i start my gnome-terminal it shows on my screen for an instant and then closes? [07:41] <dvhart> coolkev, sudo su [07:41] <[Spooky] > Amaranth: hm ok... [07:41] <gradzac> indigirl1: there is a hosts tab in the network settings app [07:41] <lee> I've just installed warty, and gone to System > Administration > Ubuntu Update Manager, hit "Install", and it segfaulted on zlibg1 ... now the "Installing updates" window is sitting there frozen (unable to close it), can I safely reboot without anything breaking? [07:42] <coolkev> but that's in terminal only [07:42] <coolkev> i can't do that in normal [07:42] <Chris_Tucker> anyone here work with openmosix? [07:42] <dvhart> coolkev, by in normal I assume you mean in X windows? [07:42] <coolkev> yes [07:42] <dvhart> coolkev, running X as root is a bad idea in general [07:42] <indigirl1> gradzac: looks like network settings won't even open. probably screwed up by this [07:42] <coolkev> i want to delete some folders [07:42] <dvhart> coolkev, however if you _must_ just give root a password [07:42] <gradzac> indigirl1: probably so, just another thought on how to fix your problem [07:43] <coolkev> dvhart how do i do that? [07:43] <dvhart> coolkev, so open a terminal, and run 'sudo rmdir badfolder' [07:43] <indigirl1> gradzac: what is the consensus on how to set root passwd? [07:43] <gradzac> indigirl1: "sudo passwd root" [07:43] <coolkev> also how do i give root a password? [07:43] <dvhart> indigirl1, to be safe, use gradzac's example [07:43] <skalpel> can someone tell me why when i start my gnome-terminal it shows on my screen for an instant and then closes? [07:43] <dvhart> coolkev, read this channel man, it's been posted three times in the last 2 minutes [07:43] <gradzac> skalpel: can you load any other terminal? [07:43] <coolkev> i just came on [07:44] <skalpel> gradzac: yes, i can use xterm [07:44] <Nevado> anyone know how to fix firefox after installing new theme? it just doesn't start up, "firefox -safe-mode" gives error [07:44] <znh> can someone say my name here in chat - i'd like to test guifications [07:44] <gradzac> skalpel: start an xterm, type "gnome-terminal" and see if it gives you any error messages [07:44] <Nevado> hello znh [07:44] <skalpel> ok [07:45] <znh> blah.. doesn't seem to work [07:45] <indigirl1> thx gradzac dvhart time for a reboot now... [07:45] <skalpel> no error message [07:45] <gradzac> indigirl1: good luck [07:45] <Chris_Tucker> anyone here work with openmosix? [07:45] <gradzac> skalpel: same result? [07:45] <dvhart> coolkev, you will likely also have to edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to allow root logins if that is what you want to do [07:45] <skalpel> yes, same result [07:45] <znh> oh oh now it does [07:45] <znh> for every message in chat lol xD [07:46] <znh> can someone say my name here in chat? [07:46] <Amaranth> znh: [07:46] <skalpel> what is your name? [07:46] <gradzac> skalpel: not much I can tell you unless you can supply and error message or something [07:46] <znh> Amaranth: hm.. it hates me [07:46] <skalpel> ok [07:46] <Nevado> anyone know how to change firefox theme manually in .mozilla? [07:46] <skalpel> gradzac: it started after i turned transparency on [07:46] <skalpel> still no idea? [07:47] <gradzac> skalpel: turn transparency off? [07:47] <PenguinBoy> a question....what directory is my sources.list in? [07:47] <Nevado> PenguinBoy, /etc/apt [07:47] <eno> is there a command to probe my usb for storage devices or wahtever? [07:47] <PenguinBoy> thanks [07:47] <Nevado> eno, "lsusb" will list usb devices if that's any help [07:47] <eno> thanks, that helps a lot [07:47] <Nevado> eno, dmesg will show kernel info [07:48] <knowledge_> is there anyway to remove a package without having synaptics try to remove everything else? [07:48] <skalpel> gratzac:There was a problem with the command for this terminal: Text was empty (or contained only whitespace) [07:48] <skalpel> that is my error message [07:48] <skalpel> i used this command line: 'gnome-terminal --geometry=116x20" [07:49] <eno> dir [07:49] <eno> oops [07:49] <by_ruffo> hello people! [07:49] <LokeDK> psychonate, thanks i will :) [07:49] <sven_> I have some Problems with modules and raid devices, can someone help ? [07:50] <by_ruffo> i have problems with my sound card [07:50] <by_ruffo> someone can helpme ? [07:50] <sven_> what sound-card ? [07:50] <dvhart> anyone know how to view the packages that apt thinks it has source for? [07:50] <persi1> by_ruffo: What kind of problem? [07:50] <by_ruffo> audigy2 zs [07:51] <by_ruffo> no there soud [07:51] <LokeDK> psychonate, what'd you think the resolution should be? in pixels [07:51] <psychonate> LokeDK, depends if you use NTSC or PAL [07:51] <gradzac> skalpel: you said your problem started after you turned on transparency, right? [07:51] <LokeDK> PAL [07:51] <skalpel> gradzac: yes [07:51] <persi1> by_ruffo: What program are you using to make sound? [07:52] <geargolem> blender math import error on different python scripts. [07:52] <skalpel> gradzac: i turned it off and it still closes [07:52] <gradzac> skalpel: do you have any other profiles you could use that don't have transparency enabled? [07:53] <psychonate> LokeDK, also depends on if you're using VCD or SVCD. Use the chart at the top of the mencoder guide: http://mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-vcd-dvd.html [07:53] <by_ruffo> any program [07:53] <by_ruffo> no sound [07:54] <LokeDK> psychonate, ah 480x576 [07:54] <leroj> what do i do with a .run? [07:54] <persi1> by_ruffo: what does `aplay -l` show? [07:54] <skalpel> gradzac: i got it tow ork, thank you [07:55] <gradzac> skalpel: glad to hear it, what did you change? [07:55] <psychonate> LokeDK, if Avidemux doesn't work out for you, the mencoder guide looks pretty complete. [07:55] <Lie-Algebra> hi [07:55] <CarlFK> where is a user's crontab file stored? [07:55] <LokeDK> psychonate, it suggested 480x480 [07:55] <skalpel> gradzac: i had gradzac: i just had 'run a custom command instead of shell' turned on [07:56] <psychonate> LokeDK, 480x480 is for NTSC? What country are you in? [07:56] <leroj> what do i do with a *.run file? [07:56] <psychonate> run it ;) [07:56] <charles> sh file.run probably [07:56] <leroj> how? [07:56] <by_ruffo> i have 30 min on ubuntu [07:56] <gradzac> skalpel: cool, glad you got it working [07:57] <psychonate> LokeDK, US and a few other countries use NTSC. [07:57] <by_ruffo> :) [07:57] <LokeDK> psychonate, I live in denmark [07:57] <skalpel> GRADZAC: thank you [07:58] <LokeDK> psychonate, so we have PAL [07:58] <Lie-Algebra> i was wondering how could it be possible that the options used to mount my win partition in the fstab file are not the same that the ones which appear on a boot time? [07:58] <psychonate> LokeDK, use the PAL resolution then. [07:59] <LokeDK> psychonate, yeah [07:59] <CarlFK> how do I set what editor crontab-e uses? [07:59] <psychonate> I got up too early today :( [07:59] <persi1> CarlFK: set $EDITOR or $VISUAL [08:00] <CarlFK> thanks [08:02] <D1> http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/ [08:02] <D1> you guys see that? [08:03] <majic> yep [08:03] <LokeDK> psychonate, "else CQ = 7 for example." - do you know what CQ is? [08:03] <D1> looks good. [08:03] <D1> breezy is gonna kick ass with gnome 2.12 [08:04] <psychonate> LokeDK, eh, no. What is that from? [08:04] <LokeDK> psychonate, the guide [08:04] <skalpel> can someone tell me where scripts for irssi would be stored? [08:04] <Simonth> LokeDK, have you seen my private message? :) [08:04] <psychonate> LokeDK, really, I don't see it. Sounds like maybe using some sort of quality setting, but I don't know for sure. [08:05] <LokeDK> Simonth, I have now [08:06] <LokeDK> psychonate, hmm maybe I'm not looking at the same guide or something [08:06] <markrian> In Evolution dates are formatted in the US fashion of mm/dd/yy, but I want them to be displayed in the European fashion of dd/mm/yy. How can I change this? My locale settings appear to be correct, I believe [08:06] <psychonate> LokeDK, http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/doc/en/divx2vcd.xml.html ? [08:07] <psychonate> LokeDK, the page title is mislabeled, but it's otherwise correct for VCD [08:07] <LokeDK> psychonate, oops no [08:07] <psychonate> lol [08:07] <boodle> silly dumb apt/dpkg question... I'm trying to install mythtv 0.18.1 from "deb http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv" but it wants libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed...any ideas? [08:07] <LokeDK> psychonate, oh.. i was looking at http://avidemux.sourceforge.net/doc/en/capture2SVCD.xml.html lol [08:08] <LokeDK> well someone has to do stupid things [08:08] <psychonate> LokeDK, that's for a TV card :( [08:08] <RolandU> hi all! [08:08] <psychonate> LokeDK, lol well, it's no biggy [08:08] <TriniTriggs6> hey how do I disable splash (for amaroK and RSSOwl)? [08:08] <psychonate> LokeDK, it doesn't hurt anything, but you'll have to start over [08:08] <RolandU> can anyone tell me: what's the minimum installed size of kubuntu+openoffice ? [08:09] <psychonate> RolandU, tell us how much space you have. [08:09] <RolandU> psychonate, a friend of mine has a 2 GB laptop [08:09] <LokeDK> psychonate, yeah.. I can live with that [08:09] <D1> hoary + laptop = <3 [08:10] <markrian> Hoary plus a laptop is less than or equal to 3....? [08:10] <psychonate> well, I heard that kubuntu is supposedly less bloated than Ubuntu, but I can't say for sure [08:10] <psychonate> I guess the #kubuntu people might know [08:11] <D1> ehh [08:11] <RolandU> well, how much would a basic linux system with kde need? [08:11] <D1> I dont know about that. [08:11] <Tomcat_> RolandU: Maybe a GB... [08:11] <D1> kdelibs, qt [08:11] <skalpel> how do i change my password? [08:11] <D1> basic kde is ok [08:11] <LokeDK> psychonate, isn't that one for VCD? thought it should be svcd [08:11] <D1> but then all the apps that come along with it come in bundles and thats what bloats it. [08:12] <Tomcat_> RolandU: The complete system fits on one CD, and I doubt it has more compression than 2. [08:12] <persi1> Does anybody know how to get jackd to start with a user login, and polypaudio to use jack instead of alsa? [08:12] <skalpel> how do i change my password? [08:12] <psychonate> LokeDK, depends. SVCD is better quality, but it might not fit onto one disc. If you want to try SVCD anyway, just use that mencoder table to see what resolution and such to use. [08:12] <[hxcl] > Does the ubuntu cd come with kernel source? [08:12] <RolandU> Tomcat_, thats a good argument [08:12] <LokeDK> psychonate, oh okay [08:13] <littleworm> i can't play mp3 files, totem says i need decoders, how can i find it? [08:14] <[hxcl] > Does the ubuntu cd come with kernel source? [08:14] <t0mmy> hxcl, no need to repeat yourself [08:14] <t0mmy> and i don't think so [08:14] <txcangel> Heads Up! (sry if im too annoying :-)) i installed Ubuntu like 15 minutes ago and it didnt ask for an root psw during the installation and now i cant log in as root because obviously i dont know the psw [08:14] <psychonate> txcangel, 'sudo su' and use your user password [08:14] <abarbaccia> [hxcl] , you can install it - do an apt-cache search source | grep kernel [08:14] <txcangel> thank [08:15] <psychonate> txcangel, it's a safety precaution [08:15] <txcangel> it worked.. thank you [08:15] <psychonate> txcangel, you can also execute programs as root via 'sudo <command>' ...it will prompt for password [08:15] <[hxcl] > Well, Im on windows now, and i have need it for another machine without a working wifi connection.. i need the souce for the wifi connection [08:15] <Simonth> Isnt it more secure having a root password than to use the user password?.. [08:15] <skalpel> how do i change my password? [08:16] <t0mmy> skalpel, type "passwd" at the command prompt [08:16] <persi1> skalpel: `passwd` [08:16] <anone> i'm trying to install q3demo, but when i run the installer, all i get is a black terminal flashing on the screen for half a second. priviliges are ok. any ideas? [08:16] <skalpel> sudo passthank you [08:16] <skalpel> er. [08:16] <skalpel> yes, thank you [08:16] <littleworm> i can't play mp3 files, totem says i need decoders, how can i find it? [08:16] <LokeDK> psychonate, encoding video now.. goin' to take a couple of hours :( [08:17] <psychonate> LokeDK, yeah, it definitely will. Encoding anything of decent size takes time. [08:17] <t0mmy> littleworm, type "sudo apt-get install libmad0" at the command prompt [08:17] <ronino> hi [08:17] <Nevado> littleworm, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad [08:17] <t0mmy> that works too XD [08:17] <ronino> where in /etc do i have to put a kernel module's name to automaticallly load it at boot? [08:18] <LokeDK> psychonate, will be angry if it's encoded wrong after thoes hours [08:18] <psychonate> anone, are you running it from the terminal? [08:18] <persi1> ronino: in /etc/modules [08:18] <psychonate> LokeDK, I've gone through that before heh [08:18] <RolandU> ok thanks alot [08:18] <LokeDK> psychonate, ah hehe.. it sucks [08:18] <psychonate> anone, or are you clicking on it in a file manager? [08:19] <littleworm> Nevado: thanks, it worked. [08:19] <anone> psychonate: from xterm [08:19] <Racer_D> hello [08:19] <t0mmy> ah, helping in this channel helps for when i'm bored on a sunday afternoon [08:19] <Racer_D> I'm new to ubuntu [08:19] <t0mmy> hello [08:19] <Racer_D> I donwloaded a ppc livecd [08:19] <ronino> persi1: thx! [08:20] <Racer_D> and all I get is a debian installer [08:20] <t0mmy> o_O [08:20] <Racer_D> and it says livecd on top [08:20] <Racer_D> how do I get some desktop or sth :> [08:20] <psychonate> anone, I had a problem with one of those ID installers whenever it prompted me for root (to install to /usr/local). Anyway, when I starte the installer already as root, it helped me. [08:20] <psychonate> so you might want to sudo ./installer [08:21] <mcvities> anyone know a possible way to join .wmv files? [08:21] <resiak> Glue? [08:21] <Nevado> lol [08:21] <t0mmy> racer, i'm not entirely sure what the problem is [08:22] <t0mmy> have you tried going through the installer? [08:22] <t0mmy> did it ask you to partition or anything? [08:22] <Racer_D> no, I'm afraid it would install something [08:22] <Racer_D> :D [08:22] <resiak> The livecd starts off with a bit of d-i [08:22] <t0mmy> it won't [08:22] <blueCommand> Isn't /etc/profile used in ubuntu? [08:22] <yccheok> for d pthread_setschedparam, is it "higher number means higher priority"?? [08:22] <Racer_D> hm [08:22] <blueCommand> I can't set my path variable through it as I'm used to [08:22] <Racer_D> but I thought it was supposed to boot right into the desktop? [08:22] <yccheok> for micro OS, the lower number means higher priority, wat about linux? [08:23] <Racer_D> yccheok: also [08:23] <Racer_D> atleast it does for nice [08:23] <resiak> Racer_D: it does... Shouldn't be asking you any questions. You sure you got the livecd? [08:23] <Racer_D> resiak: yea, it says livecd on top of screen [08:23] <Racer_D> and at first prompt [08:23] <Racer_D> I type in [08:23] <resiak> Racer_D: Then you're okay... [08:23] <Racer_D> live-power4 [08:23] <Racer_D> and it continues [08:23] <resiak> And you keep [08:23] <Racer_D> into installer as I'm used in debian [08:23] <resiak> hitting enter [08:23] <resiak> after every [08:24] <Racer_D> asks for language & keyboard [08:24] <resiak> two or three [08:24] <resiak> words, and it's [08:24] <resiak> really annoying. [08:24] <yccheok> Racer_D: Oh, do you mean linux have a same thread behaviour as micro OS? [08:24] <Racer_D> no [08:24] <anone> psychonate: no effect. check it out http://emdia.fi/~jip/here.jpeg [08:24] <Racer_D> it doesn't do that [08:24] <resiak> Racer_D: So answer it... And see what happens? [08:24] <resiak> No, I meant [08:24] <resiak> you're doing that [08:24] <resiak> in here. [08:24] <Racer_D> oh that, sorry [08:25] <Racer_D> hm [08:25] <Racer_D> lemme see how for I can go before writting anything to hdd [08:25] <resiak> *gone* [08:25] <Racer_D> if I get to partitioning it's wrong, right? :> [08:26] <psychonate> anone, ah, that does look sorta strange. Not sure what to tell you. Only thing I think of is try './<installer> --help' and see if you can get any useful options [08:28] <t0mmy> hehe there's a #crack-attack on this server [08:28] <bobbyd> is this still how you do IP MASQUERADE under ubuntu? http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1 [08:28] <anone> psychonate: ok. thanks. must be something wrong with the script [08:28] <ronino> hey tobstar, you crazy checka! [08:28] <psychonate> anone, looks like it maybe [08:29] <psychonate> anone, you could check the ubuntu forums I guess [08:29] <LinuxJones> bobbyd, you want to share an internet connection ? [08:29] <bobbyd> LinuxJones, yes [08:29] <tobstar> hello everyone [08:30] <bobbyd> hi tobstar [08:30] <LinuxJones> bobbyd, firestarter is a nice gui front end for iptables which will setup ics for you [08:30] <bobbyd> LinuxJones, ok thanks [08:30] <LinuxJones> bobbyd, GL [08:30] <tobstar> when trying to start kwrite as root I get:cannot connect to X server. why? [08:31] <anders__> thos some baddy user odc on Linux ore eney downloadings programs ?? [08:31] <Cin> okay, ubuntu has crashed 5 times in the past 2 days on my P4 [08:31] <Cin> what's all that about? [08:31] <psychonate> anders__, 0.o what? [08:32] <SinClaIrR> hi [08:32] <anders__> odc is a downloadings program i like to here if it can run at Ubuntu [08:33] <psychonate> never heard of odc [08:33] <SinClaIrR> i have a problem with php and apache [08:34] <anders__> k you can fine it at google.com by serch by odc [08:35] <anders__> chek out this www.xboks.dk sight is one english [08:36] <SinClaIrR> i want execute php scripts in apache but i have a problem and the php scripts not run and appear a dialog to save or open php script [08:36] <xenoxaos> does anyone know if the 2Wire 802.11g pcmcia card works under linux. I have recently come into posession of one and was wondering if it works [08:37] <SinClaIrR> sorry by my english but i'm spanish and my english is bad [08:37] <dTk> hello. which package should i install under ubuntu if i want to view rar archives? [08:38] <xenoxaos> dtk: do and apt-cache search rar [08:38] <xenoxaos> i would believe it to be something like unrar [08:38] <SinClaIrR> dTk, the unrar descompress .rar but i don't know if view rar archives [08:38] <anders__> sinvlarr dont woy im a danish person as whel [08:38] <anders__> whell [08:39] <copernic> dTk: rar is in universe repository [08:39] <dTk> cuz i cannot open it with file roller [08:39] <copernic> dTk: you can apt-get it from there [08:39] <xenoxaos> actually its apt-get install unrar [08:39] <dTk> ok thx [08:39] <SinClaIrR> Sorry but somebody help me? [08:39] <LinuxJones> SinClaIrR, there is a Spanish speaking channel for ubuntu as well #ubuntu-es [08:39] <SinClaIrR> LinuxJones, thank's [08:40] <XIII> hi, want to know how to setup my pc to write in japanese language? [08:40] <LinuxJones> SinClaIrR, once you have unrar installed file-roller should enable you to list and view the files inside. [08:41] <MrGardenHoseMan> what's the command to stop x? [08:41] <hybrid_goth> MrGardenHoseMan: to shut it down? [08:41] <xenoxaos> /etc/init.d/gdm stop [08:41] <MrGardenHoseMan> or restart it [08:41] <hybrid_goth> MrGardenHoseMan: sudo shutdown now [08:41] <xenoxaos> but make sure you're in a terminal..not x [08:42] <xenoxaos> /etc/init.d/gdm restart [08:42] <SinClaIrR> MrGardenHoseMan, ctrl + alt + backspace [08:42] <dTk> thx, it works now [08:42] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks [08:42] <XIII> anyone for help? [08:42] <persi1> XIII: I recommend installing uim and anthy. This worked best for me. You will need to set your locale to something JP in order for it to work. [08:42] <hybrid_goth> SinClaIrR: ctr alt bckspc isnt suggest for it doesnt shut down everything properly [08:42] <hybrid_goth> XIII: what ya need? [08:42] <XIII> how could i install it persi1 ? [08:43] <persi1> XIII: try `sudo aptitude install uim-gtk2.0 anthy` [08:44] <XIII> persi1, then? [08:45] <persi1> XIII: I also installed uim-applet-gnome, and configured the default locale in /etc/environment. I think there was also a uim config option: let me check. [08:45] <Di42lo> whats wrong with the apt-get servers today ? cant apt-get install/update all day [08:45] <jake22> hello guys [08:45] <Di42lo> servers are fucked up [08:45] <XIII> persi1, ok [08:46] <jake22> i have problem with sound card can you help me guys [08:46] <NeoFax99> Anyone know how to get DIR_COLORS to work? [08:46] <jcarr> what version of mysql is apt-gettable with ubuntu? [08:46] <persi1> XIII: Ah, the detailed instructions will be in /usr/share/doc/uim-applet-gnome/README.Debian after everything is installed. [08:46] <jake22> i have problem with sound card can you help me guys i got no sounds for ubuntu [08:47] <persi1> jake22: What sound card? [08:47] <XIII> persi1, it just write in katakana here [08:48] <persi1> XIII: Do you have a Japanese keyboard? [08:48] <XIII> yeah [08:48] <jake22> wait ill verify [08:48] <persi1> XIII: And the key in the upper left doesn't switch? [08:48] <XIII> yeah [08:49] <jake22> it's AC'97 Audio [08:49] <persi1> XIII: Hmm.. I forget how to make that work. Shift-Space works with the default config, although once it is configured for a Japanese keyboard, I recommend disabling this. [08:49] <XIII> how persi1 ? [08:50] <persi1> jake22: Does it show in lsmod? [08:50] <Nevado> anyone know where the image is for gnome login splash? [08:50] <persi1> XIII: My apologies, but I have forgotten, and can't seem to find the magic right now. [08:50] <jake22> how do i do that lsmod persil [08:50] <XIII> ok, thnx persi1 [08:51] <persi1> jake22: In a terminal window. Type `lsmod` and press enter. [08:51] <Nevado> nm found it [08:51] <jake22> snd_ac97_codec 64608 1 snd_intel8x0 [08:51] <jake22> yeah its there [08:52] <Cin> um... can someone tell me how to update my ubuntu kernel? [08:52] <Cin> or check.. [08:53] <persi1> jake22: Last time I used intel8x0, I had no sound unless I removed all the OSS modules, and restarted alsa. I'm not sure of the safest way to do this with ubuntu. Anyone else? [08:53] <skel__> sup [08:53] <jake22> so whar are the steps [08:57] <persi1> jake22: try running the following in a terminal, although I warn you that google or the ubuntu wiki may provide a simpler method: `sudo rmmod snd_pcm_oss; sudo rmmod snd_mixer_oss; sudo rmmod snd_seq_oss; sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart`. [08:57] <zeus> anyone has experiance with centrino driver? [08:57] <Staz> hum I thought normally oss wouldn't be installed with ubuntu [08:58] <jake22> ok and then persil ill restart [08:58] <persi1> Staz: OSS modules aren't loaded, but the above command removes the ALSA OSS emulation layer. [08:59] <persi1> jake22: Restarting might help, but if you restart, the commands I listed will no longer apply to your running configuration. [08:59] <Staz> ok [09:02] <oscar> 77777777777777777777777777///////////////0..00000000000000000000000000000000000000000,klkm.............\ [09:02] <LinuxJones> oscar, !!! [09:03] <Thewrdnrd> Is there some sort of splashscreen that appears the first time GNOME is run under Ubuntu? [09:03] <Thewrdnrd> Before the desktop jingle? [09:04] <zeus> what can i do with an rpm driver, that when i convert it with alien does not install it but only copies the files somewhere ? [09:04] <LinuxJones> Thewrdnrd, usually there is an Ubuntu spash screen [09:04] <lee> is there a way to allow me to use the Windows key or Menu key as a modifier? e.g. windows-1 to switch to workspace 1 [09:04] <Thewrdnrd> LinuxJones: Only the first time? Is there some way to get past it if I can't see the screen? [09:05] <LinuxJones> Thewrdnrd, nope it runs every time [09:05] <LinuxJones> Thewrdnrd, your jsut getting a black screen ? [09:05] <Thewrdnrd> And this is before the audio startup jingle plays? [09:05] <LinuxJones> Thewrdnrd, yes [09:05] <persi1> zeus: Usually drivers match specific kernel versions. Unless you have the RPM kernel installed, you'd do better to compile from source with module-assistant. [09:05] <Thewrdnrd> LinuxJones: I don't know. I'm blind, and am trying to get the GNOME accessibility stuff working. Can't get to a GNOME desktop, though. [09:06] <Thewrdnrd> I am on my laptop, but I'm not sure how I did it. [09:06] <Thewrdnrd> .xsession-errors looks clean. [09:06] <zeus> i see. ill check if there is a source. its a lexmark laser printer e232 [09:06] <LinuxJones> Thewrdnrd, argh [09:06] <MartenH> what does dpkg stand for? [09:06] <skel__> depackage [09:06] <MartenH> ty [09:07] <skalpel> what does this error message mean? [09:07] <skalpel> Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Install identd) [09:07] <Thewrdnrd> On my laptop I get the little drum solo, log in with GDM, then get the desktop jingle. On the desktop I get everything but the latter, and my .gnome2* directories look incomplete. [09:07] <skalpel> is it likely my computer has been rooted? [09:07] <xenoxaos> dpkg is the debian package management system [09:08] <skel__> so it depackages :P [09:08] <LinuxJones> Thewrdnrd, you need to install 2 packages to get assistive technologies up and running you need to install gok and gnopernicus [09:08] <Thewrdnrd> LinuxJones: Already have. [09:08] <LinuxJones> Thewrdnrd, first try installing ubuntu-desktop to make sure all the files you need are already installed [09:09] <Thewrdnrd> Works nicely on my laptop; I just don't appear to be getting to a desktop on, well, the desktop. :P [09:09] <Thewrdnrd> LinuxJones: Already have. [09:09] <Thewrdnrd> Everything is installed and dist-upgraded. [09:10] <Thewrdnrd> And ps auxw shows that ssh-agent and friends are starting, but doesn't show any GNOME processes running. [09:10] <LinuxJones> Thewrdnrd, it's hard to diagnose the problem, what kind of video card do you have in that machine ? [09:10] <Thewrdnrd> One sec, lemme refresh my memory. [09:10] <jasoncohen> is there a totem plugin for firefox available in hoary or is that a feature to be added in gnome 2.12 (just saw some info on that in slashdot) [09:11] <adilfularg> ne1 here [09:11] <Thewrdnrd> Ah, NVidia GeForce2. [09:11] <adilfularg> hullo [09:11] <Thewrdnrd> Lemme look at the X logs. [09:11] <adilfularg> can ne1 help me [09:12] <adilfularg> hullo [09:12] <persi1> jasoncohen: The totem plugin will be available in breezy in October. [09:12] <psychonate|AFK> How can we know if we can help you if we don't know what the problem is? [09:12] <shammy> I've been unsuccessfully trying to uninstall linux for the last week or so now.. i've tried fedora, ubuntu, and vidalinux and cannot get xserver configured on any of them.. Is there a distro that is likely to work, or something i can do to fix my ubuntu install that is currenly on my slave hd? [09:13] <LinuxJones> Thewrdnrd, ok if you can do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , accept all of the defaults except the video driver and select VESA as the video driver. (Note the driver that is currently selected) [09:13] <adilfularg> need help installing ubuntu [09:13] <Thewrdnrd> I don't see any video configuration errors/warnings in the log. [09:13] <Nevado> shammy, what's the problem? [09:13] <persi1> shammy: does the livecd work for you? [09:13] <shammy> I haven't downloaded the live cd [09:13] <jasoncohen> persi1, thanks for the info. do you know what features it has currently? how does it compare with mozilla-mplayer? i might build totem from breezy on my hoary box to see how the plugin runs [09:13] <adilfularg> how do i keep my xp intact [09:13] <shammy> persi1: i'll start the live cd torrent now [09:13] <LinuxJones> Thewrdnrd, I had problems with the nv driver and had to use the vesa driver to quickly get up and running. [09:14] <shammy> Nevado: the problem is whenever i reconfig xserver, it either doesn't work or doesn't even write the file [09:14] <adilfularg> i have 2 cd [09:14] <adilfularg> got frum website [09:14] <zeus> persi1, i have these DL options: AIX, solaris, HP-UX, suse, red hat linux [09:14] <zeus> which one should i get? [09:15] <zeus> oh, btw, whats the command to find a file on the HD? [09:15] <adilfularg> lost in here [09:15] <adilfularg> locate zeus [09:16] <persi1> zeus: Ummm... That doesn't sound like source. Try googling for your printer and linux to see if anyone else has configured it properly. I don't print, so I'm not sure I can be much help. Also, `locate` or `find` work well. [09:16] <adilfularg> do i have to eras all data for installing ubuntu [09:16] <t0mmy> imposter XD [09:16] <zeus> :) [09:16] <Thewrdnrd> LinuxJones: Vesa is the only selected driver. [09:16] <Thewrdnrd> Is there some way to take a screenshot? [09:16] <skalpel> hi, i installed a realplayer plugin for my firefox browser and it asked me to resatart firefox yet i have done this and it still does not work, can someone help me? [09:17] <adilfularg> hullo [09:17] <tommi^> Hi. I'm wondering why my OO.org 1.1 file dialog is still OO.org's not Gnome's eventhough I have installed openoffice.org-gtk-gnome package? [09:18] <adilfularg> x) [09:18] <shammy> If i download the live cd, and run it, supposing it works i could just copy its xorg.conf over to the installation, right [09:18] <shammy> ? [09:19] <adilfularg> ? [09:20] <persi1> shammy: that should work. Also, I've forgotten the details, but you can reset the xorg MD5sum for dpkg-reconfigure somehow. My apologies I have not been able to find it. [09:21] <skalpel> thewrdnrd: the print key takes a screenshot [09:21] <NeKoRaMa> hu [09:21] <eno> has anyone gotten java to work in firefox, or is it impossible? [09:21] <NeKoRaMa> hi [09:21] <skalpel> thewrdnrd: and i believe alt + print takes a shot of a specific app window. [09:21] <NeKoRaMa> I have a pb, can someone help me ? [09:21] <skalpel> hi, i installed a realplayer plugin for my firefox browser and it asked me to resatart firefox yet i have done this and it still does not work, can someone help me? [09:21] <Thewrdnrd> skalpel: Thanks. [09:22] <NeKoRaMa> when i try to configure an apz, the console tell me that i haven't any acceptable C compiler, what can i do ? [09:23] <skalpel> anybody home [09:24] <t0mmy> does anyone have a converter for MODSs->mp3s? [09:24] <t0mmy> MODs* [09:24] <NeKoRaMa> when i try to configure an apz, the console tell me that i haven't any acceptable C compiler, what can i do ? [09:24] <t0mmy> it's actually a .it [09:25] <toukka> NeKoRaMa, sudo apt-get install build-essential [09:25] <jasoncohen> i'm trying to install the build-dependencies for totem but i just get "E: Build-dependencies for totem could not be satisfied.". is there any way to get more verbose output? [09:26] <Rusty1> NeKoRaMa: what is an apz? [09:26] <NeKoRaMa> application ^^ [09:27] <NeKoRaMa> when i install my ubuntu, there where no information about the su pswd ... so i don't know it ... [09:28] <persi1> jasoncohen: in the source deb, look in the control file: it should list the build-depends. [09:28] <skalpel> nekorama: it is the same as your user password [09:28] <skalpel> you just cannot login as root. [09:28] <skalpel> use sudo or a root terminal [09:28] <skalpel> which is available from your gnome menu [09:28] <NeKoRaMa> thx i will try [09:28] <skalpel> k [09:28] <NeKoRaMa> thx ^^ [09:29] <fr500> hello [09:29] <jasoncohen> persi1, that's not the problem. i could just do an apt-cache showsrc totem [09:29] <pavka> have someone in hoary instaled gtkboard? ive some problem [09:29] <fr500> a question, is there a cd, like a netinstall cd that downloads all you need via apt? [09:29] <NeKoRaMa> <= n4p :/ [09:29] <Rusty1> NeKoRaMa: get binutils as well [09:29] <NeKoRaMa> binutils ? [09:29] <jasoncohen> persi1, i didn't want to have to enter every dependency to find out which i can't satisfy- and with my luck it was the very last one [09:29] <lee> is there a .deb package of thudnerbird 1.0.6 available anywhere? [09:30] <jasoncohen> apparently libgnome-menu-dev requires libgnome-menu 2.10.1 and i have 2.10.2 from backports for smeg [09:30] <jasoncohen> lee, backports staging has one [09:30] <bobbyd> is there anything I need to do to let machines on my LAN query my nameserver? I have allow-query { localhost; 192.168.1.2;}; in the named.config.options file, but the nameserver doesn't respond [09:30] <jasoncohen> lee, pitti from ubuntu-devel says that he has prepared one for hoary-security. it should be available shortly [09:31] <fr500> bobbyd, maybe you have firewall on the lan interface? [09:31] <kev0r> Anyone here know how i can fix automount on my USB? [09:31] <kev0r> i've no Gnome or something installed [09:31] <oggah> Why does the Windows GUI (95,98,NT,XP) feel more responsive, snappy than Linux window managers? [09:31] <oggah> Is there any solution to this. [09:31] <kev0r> just xfce4, added it to fstab, but not autodetecting it, have to manually mount [09:31] <fr500> oggah, I feel the oposite [09:31] <kev0r> me 2 oggah [09:32] <NeKoRaMa> i can't install anything ... what is this fucking unacceptable C compiler ? ... [09:32] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: get libgnome-menu-dev from backports :) [09:32] <fr500> NeKoRaMa, you want to compile? [09:32] <fr500> did you get build-essentials? [09:32] <NeKoRaMa> i want to ./configure ... [09:32] <persi1> jasoncohen: I understand. You'll probably want to test this, but you might try : `sudo aptitude install `apt-cache showsrc totem | awk -F: ' { print $2 } | sed s/,//g``, but this wouldn't help the backports version issue. [09:32] <NeKoRaMa> fr500, what is built essentials ? ... i'm a noob :/ [09:32] <bobbyd> fr500, I'm running firestarter, but I ticked the "share internet connection" box [09:32] <oggah> you feel the oppsite, thats strange.. [09:33] <fr500> NeKoRaMa, you should apt-get install build-essnetial first [09:33] <skalpel> has anyone else had trouble with getting realplayer to work inside of firefox? [09:33] <NeKoRaMa> ok i try [09:33] <fr500> boobyd, try iptables --t filter -F [09:33] <fr500> and try again [09:33] <fr500> iptables -t filter -F [09:33] <NeKoRaMa> fr500, i do it, but ./configure don't works ... [09:33] <jasoncohen> persi1, the problem was that i am using the official backports server but i had to install libgnome-menus 2.10.2 from the old backports server which i now have disabled so apt couldn't install the matching version of libgnome-menus-dev [09:34] <jasoncohen> persi1, i enabled the old backports server and now it works fine [09:34] <fr500> NeKoRaMa, you downloaded build-essentials that fast? [09:34] <bobbyd> ahh [09:34] <NeKoRaMa> fr500, y [09:34] <Mez> will you lot stop saying backports :P [09:34] <Mez> lol [09:34] <lee> jasoncohen: excellent, thanks [09:34] <persi1> kev0r: try usbmount. I've not tested it, but it appears to do the right thing. [09:34] <fr500> NeKoRaMa, ?? [09:34] <bobbyd> fr500, I think it's hosts.allow [09:34] <NeKoRaMa> fr500, ho no ... i don't see that it don't find it ... [09:34] <kev0r> arg :) [09:34] <persi1> jasoncohen: glad to hear it. [09:35] <fr500> boobyd i set up a dns last week, didn't have that issue, but i didnt use firestarter [09:35] <NeKoRaMa> w8 i'm downloading it ^^ [09:35] <kev0r> command not found, but when i'm doing it manual, i might as well make an alias to "mount /dev/sda1" [09:35] <fr500> NeKoRaMa, sudo apt-get install build-essential (or build-essentials, i'm not sure) [09:35] <NeKoRaMa> it's ok ;) [09:35] <NeKoRaMa> it works [09:35] <persi1> kev0r: `sudo aptitude install usbmount` [09:35] <NeKoRaMa> thx for all ;) [09:35] <kev0r> persi1: Or does it work auto as a deamon :) [09:35] <fr500> no prob [09:36] <persi1> kev0r: It's supposed to work with hotplug & udev. [09:36] <kev0r> ok great [09:36] <kev0r> but persi1 apt-get install usbmount-> usbmount package not found :/ [09:37] <persi1> kev0r: It's in the universe repository. [09:37] <fr500> bobbyd, did you get it to work? [09:37] <kev0r> persi1: lemme check i've i got them added, i thought so... [09:38] <kev0r> persi1: check, hoary universe is present in /etc/apt/sources.lst [09:39] <persi1> kev0r: I'm not sure then. Try `aptitude search usb` for a list of apps, one of which ought to work. [09:39] <kev0r> doing that right now, not finding anything i'm seeming to need :/ [09:40] <persi1> kev0r: How about usbmgr? Is that in your repository? [09:40] <kev0r> persi1: plz be so kind as to check "usbmgr - User-mode daemon [09:40] <kev0r> LOL [09:40] <kev0r> you're checking it i guess ;P [09:40] <kev0r> lemme install, can't hurt :) [09:41] <kev0r> arg, when i install, it will remove Hotplug, Ubuntu base AND udev [09:41] <kev0r> so let's not :) [09:41] <persi1> kev0r: I use gnome-volume-manager for that, and don't want to break it. The description looks like it might help. [09:41] <persi1> kev0r: Ah, no, that would be bad. [09:41] <kev0r> gnome-volume manager? [09:41] <kev0r> hmmlze [09:41] <zeus> cant get a network printer to work. whats the syntax for the host and printer name on the add printer dialog? [09:41] <fr500> what window manager is better xfce or fluxbox? [09:42] <skalpel> has anyone else had trouble with getting plugins to work inside of firefox? [09:42] <Subliminal> could i copy an installation of ubuntu, with packages and configurations to a laptop? [09:42] <kev0r> trying that :) [09:42] <synd> fr500: try both, see what you like. i prefer xfce. [09:42] <persi1> kev0r: Warning: this requires and loads all sorts of GNOME libs, etc. [09:42] <zeus> Subliminal, im working on a laptop right now:) [09:42] <Natja> fr500, I prefer Xfce too. [09:42] <fr500> synd, ok, which one is lighter? [09:42] <kev0r> hmlz it only says it's going to install 3 packets [09:42] <synd> fr500: fluxbox [09:43] <fr500> synd, ok [09:43] <skalpel> hi, i downloaded a bin file and made it executable using chmod but now when i try to execute it it sas the file is not there, and i am sure i am using correct spelling/case [09:43] <skalpel> any ideas? [09:43] <synd> fr500: xfce4, not xfce btw [09:43] <fr500> oh they are different [09:43] <kev0r> xfce4 works great, you should try it [09:43] <Seveas> Subliminal, it would be better to perform a fresh install on the machine... [09:43] <kev0r> i'm on it now :) [09:44] <struggler> I keep getting 'Could not open the requested SVN filesystem' when trying to access subversion via apache2. Can anyone help? [09:44] <synd> fr500: yeah xfce4 is much better. [09:44] <Seveas> you can copy /home/$USER to copy all your personal setting [09:44] <Seveas> s [09:44] <Subliminal> Seveas: what about paclages? [09:44] <struggler> skalpel: try ./filename, that will work if it is not in yourpath [09:44] <Subliminal> Seveas: i assume they're stored locally, i'd rather not download them all again [09:44] <bobbyd> what do I put in hosts.allow to allow connections from any machine in the 192.168.1.* range? [09:44] <Seveas> Subliminal, on the old machine: dpkg --get-selections > spkg_selections [09:45] <draucon> q time [09:45] <Seveas> copy the dpkg_selections and all files in /var/cache/apt/archives to the other machine [09:45] <kev0r> anyone else idea's to get automounting on an USB drive, without gnome [09:45] <Seveas> and on the other machine: dpkg --set-selections < spkg_selections [09:45] <skalpel> struggler: yes i am using that, it still says no such file or dir [09:45] <Nevado> kev0r, there are projects called submount and supermount i think that would do that, may need patched kernel though [09:45] <Subliminal> Seveas: kewl thanks [09:46] <Seveas> kev0r, you need at least pmount pmount-hal and hal installed [09:46] <Seveas> (and hal running) [09:46] <vagamente> hi all... ne valknut user? [09:46] <struggler> skalpel: what is the result of the command file <filename> [09:46] <Seveas> vagamente, if you're looking for the package: it's called dcgui-qt in Ubuntu [09:47] <vagamente> no.. i'm just looking for some help... [09:47] <fr500> synd, enlightment wont like a low end pc right? [09:48] <Belutz> hai [09:49] <Belutz> is there anyone using tcsh instead of bash? [09:50] <kev0r> arg Nevado not fond of those thingies :P [09:50] <kev0r> but i'll try what Seveas said (pmount pmount-hal and hal) [09:52] <fr500> how would i be able to install ubuntu on a pc without a cdrom? [09:52] <abarbaccia> fr500, network install [09:52] <abarbaccia> do you have a floppy drive? [09:52] <fr500> yes [09:53] <abarbaccia> google ubuntu network isntall - there'll be info on how to do it [09:53] <fr500> ok [09:53] <skalpel> has anyone else had trouble getting realplayer to work inside of firefox? [09:53] <jasoncohen> persi1, i built totem and totem-xine and installed both. Besides the issue of totem-xine being built against gstreamer! (known issue in backports as well), firefox isn't using the totem plugin [09:54] <persi1> jasoncohen: Are any listed in Firefox preferences...downloads...plug-ins? [09:55] <jasoncohen> persi1, just SPL and SWF [09:57] <persi1> jasoncohen: My apologies. I don't know what other pieces are required. If you're feeling *really* adventurous, you mighttry GARNOME or something. [09:59] <skalpel> has anyone else had trouble getting realplayer to work inside of firefox? [09:59] <jasoncohen> persi1, GARNOME? [10:00] <persi1> jasoncohen: http://cipherfunk.org/garnome/ (note - this is neither ubuntu or recommended for those who like stability). [10:02] <persi1> jasoncohen: The other choice is to install breezy in a chroot, but note that it is still very unfinished. [10:03] <glick> hi [10:03] <ohay> sorry if this a dumb question, but what's the default root password? [10:03] <ohay> during the installation it didn't ask me for one [10:03] <persi1> ohay: It's disabled by default [10:04] <glick> hey has anyone played netpanzer? [10:04] <glick> how is it [10:04] <glick> ? [10:04] <ohay> glick: really fun [10:04] <mpmc> Is there something for gnome like Quanta Plus., (PHP supported + function reminder tips, syntax hightlighting) [10:04] <nemik> sudo is driving me insane is there any way to install a nice minimal server install WITHOUT sudo? [10:04] <persi1> nemik: sudo su - [10:04] <ohay> glick: quick strategy [10:04] <Madpilot> nemik: you could log in a root all the time - but this is NOT recommended... [10:04] <nemik> persi1, thank you will i have to do that each time or only once? [10:04] <kev0r> blah still no luck [10:05] <Nevado> nemik, sudo su :) [10:05] <ohay> persi1: what? how do I do stuff? [10:05] <kev0r> have installed hal and pmount, but still no autodetecting on the USB disk [10:05] <XIII> how could i set up a *.bin program? [10:05] <persi1> nemik: every login, and it's also not recommended, but not as bad as setting a root password. [10:05] <mpmc> anyone? [10:05] <Nevado> XIII, "chmod a+x filename.bin" then "./filename.bin" [10:06] <persi1> ohay:sudo [10:06] <XIII> thnx Nevado [10:06] <Nevado> mpmc, screem maybe? [10:06] <mpmc> screen? [10:06] <indigo423> einen wunderschnen guten abend. [10:06] <Nevado> http://www.screem.org/ [10:06] <nemik> i want to set a root password and login to root each and every time. i know it can be bad, but i know what i'm doing. you see, i run an SMS server with a phone. sudo keeps losing permissions to folders even chmodded to 777 after ~18 hours [10:07] <ohay> persi1: but are all users aloowed to sudo then? [10:07] <persi1> ohay: Permissions are controlled by /etc/sudoers. By default, the install user has permission. [10:07] <cavediver> Where do I change the gnome splash screen ? [10:07] <cavediver> Have forgot that [10:07] <Nevado> nemik, set root password with "sudo passwd" [10:08] <Brunellus> I want to downgrade my kernel [10:08] <Amaranth> cavediver: art.gnome.org has a tutorial [10:08] <indigo423> ich habe mal eine frage bezglich linuxservern mit debian vs. ubuntu. hat da jemand erfahrung? [10:08] <Nevado> cavediver, /usr/share/pixmaps/splash/ubuntu-splash.png iirc [10:08] <nemik> thanks a lot nevado, i'll do that! [10:08] <Brunellus> indigo423, #ubuntu-de? [10:08] <indigo423> na ja es geht ja auch um debian ;) [10:09] <ohay> persi1: another thing, I already had a /home partition which I chose during instalation, but now it says I don't have permission to acess the files on the folder with the same user name [10:09] <Madeye> guys how to search in my downloaded .deb cache? apt-get cache? [10:09] <lakin> cavediver, there is a gconf-key setting that you can use to change the splash as well. [10:10] <kev0r> <-- starts to cry :) [10:10] <kev0r> Seveas: any more clues? [10:11] <persi1> Madeye: ls /var/cache/apt/archives [10:11] <ohay> persi1: do u have any idea why? does it mount the /home partition as read-only by default? [10:12] <Brunellus> I want to run the warty kernel; when I apt-remove the hoary one, it will also remove linux-386 [10:12] <Brunellus> is this OK? [10:12] <Brunellus> what do I have to do to remove the hoary kernel and go back to warty? [10:12] <persi1> kev0r: You might try http://usbmount.alioth.debian.org/ - it might need some tweaking. [10:12] <grey-area> 'lo [10:12] <Brunellus> anybody? I'd like to downgrade my kernel from the hoary one (2.6.10) to the warty one (2.6.8) [10:13] <Brunellus> do I simply remove the 2.6.10 kernel and accept the dependencies? [10:13] <kev0r> persi1: i've installed autofs, its basicly kernelintegrated automounting [10:13] <Brunellus> or is there something else? [10:13] <kev0r> it is tweaked by a command called 'automount' [10:13] <kev0r> now only to find out how to call the right functions [10:13] <skalpel> how can i make totem play realplayer files? [10:13] <persi1> ohay: permissions are encoded with user number, not user name. This caused me the problem before. Try sudo chown username thing-to-which-you-want-permission. Note that this is only a useful strategy for old drives - don't do this for /dev or anything. [10:14] <hou5ton> Is this a bug or something wrong on my end ... when I have both the etho0and etho1 activated (wired and wireless), I get an error: failure in name resolution and although it shows that I am online,... nothing opens [10:14] <grey-area> i've installed libjpeg6.2 through apt-get, but compiler for app that needs it, doesn't find it. what's wrong? [10:14] <patrickj> ello [10:14] <Jemt> Hi. I have just removed the old OpenOffice and installed OpenOffice2. How do I make documents open with Open Office Writer, Spreadsheet etc ? [10:14] <persi1> kev0r: you can script stuff with hotplug. Some documentation is available from /usr/share/doc/hotplug/README.gz [10:15] <Brunellus> nobody know anything about downgrading a kernel? [10:15] <kev0r> hmm ok, gonna try this first, then i'm going ur way :) [10:15] <ohay> persi1: u see, I've got Fedora on another partition and also use this /home partition as it's home, will this mess things up? [10:15] <kev0r> or u can tell me it's surely not gonna work this way :) [10:15] <file> im having some trouble with my internet on ubuntu, my download speed is seemingly capped [10:15] <skalpel> if i was downlaoding and installing realplayer what dir would i put it in? the installer wants to put it in /root [10:15] <patrickj> Im in ubuntu with openbox and gnome-panel, and I was wondering, how can I change the default icon size, from say 32x32 to 24x24 [10:15] <patrickj> ? [10:16] <file> i should have a maximum of about 200 kb/s downstream but it seems not to go higher than 46kb/s [10:16] <persi1> kev0r: Best of luck! [10:16] <arathald> every time I try to configure, I get this mssg or similar: configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH [10:16] <flugh> anyone else have thunderbird refusing to open messages in a window?i can see the preview, but trying to open the message hangs the app [10:16] <persi1> ohay: if you want to be able to access the files from both systems, make sure the user numbers are the same in both /etc/passwd files. Note that changing this will mess up all the permissions on whichever system you change. [10:16] <patrickj> also, im trying to install mozilla-acroread, and it said it does not have the required dpendancys, how can I acquire these? [10:17] <skalpel> where should i install realplayer? [10:17] <skalpel> what dir [10:17] <skalpel> any suggestions? [10:18] <flugh> ohay, if that worries you (mucking up uids and all), you may be able to fake it with samba. create a share in samba using that partition/directory/whatever, then use the user mapping in samba. kludge, but doable [10:19] <patrickj> n/m fixed dependancy problem, but what about icons? [10:19] <ohay> why are the user numbers diferent for users with the same characeristics? does it use like a md5sum or something related with the kernel/system it's running? [10:19] <skalpel> can someone tell me why i am getting this error after downloaded a bin file and using chmod to make it executable? [10:19] <skalpel> ./RealPlayer10GOLD: No such file or directory [10:19] <deprave> ack [10:19] <deprave> realplayer [10:19] <samu> maybe need to add .bin to the end? [10:19] <persi1> ohay: the UID is created at install time. Sometimes different distributions use different default numbers. Also, usually the users are sequential from the first added, so multiple user machines are more likely to be different. [10:20] <skalpel> samu: bash: ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: No such file or directory [10:20] <patrickj> ! HOWTO eterm [10:20] <ubotu> No idea, patrickj [10:20] <patrickj> poopers [10:20] <file> i should have a maximum of about 200 kb/s downstream but it seems not to go higher than 46kb/s [10:20] <file> any ideas? [10:20] <persi1> ohay: flugh's suggestion is probably safer, and less likely to be confusing. [10:20] <samu> skalpel, did you manage to use tab to autocomplete the file name? [10:21] <skalpel> samu: no i did not, i dont even know what you mean [10:21] <kent> skalpel you are sure you got the name right? Try "file ./RealPlayer.." (press tab to get the hole name). Maybe its not a bin, perhaps its an archive? [10:21] <Jemt> I have just removed the old OpenOffice and installed OpenOffice2. How do I make documents open with Open Office Writer, Spreadsheet etc ? [10:21] <skalpel> file browser says it is an executable [10:21] <skalpel> kent: i do not know how to use tab to autocomplete [10:22] <ohay> flugh: will this enable me to use the desired folder as the user's home or only access the contents? [10:22] <kent> skalpel autocomplete is easy. When you are in a terminal, just enter the beginning of the name, and then press tab. that should bring the whole name.. :) [10:22] <nickrud> l [10:22] <skalpel> kent: lovely. i get a beep when i try to use that [10:23] <flugh> ohay, i came in after you started, sorry. but, what you can do is have an smbmount where samba will make ubuntu:fred map to fedora:joe transparently [10:23] <kent> skalpel then either, there are more files with that beginning of name, or there is no file at all with that name in that folder. (I think.) [10:23] <skalpel> kent: well, the file is alive and well on my desktop, so i know it is there [10:24] <flugh> ohay: or, you can edit fedora:/etc/password change uid of fedora:joe to <somenumber>, then go to /home and do 'chown <somenumber.somenumber> joe' just make sure somenumber is the uid of ubuntu:joe [10:24] <flugh> sorry, i'm all caffeined up. i dont make sense to myself either [10:24] <kent> And from the terminal, you have changed to the directory with the file? If you downloaded it to the desktop, then the file is in /home/you-user/Desktop/ [10:24] <persi1> ohay:if you chown /home/joe, yuo probably want to use chown -R, to get all the subdirectories. [10:25] <flugh> persi1, ahh, thanks. you're spot-on. [10:25] <kent> skalpel sorry, forgot to put your name on the last message :( [10:25] <vader1102> I have smb and smbfs inistalled but want to join a workgroup can anyone help please? [10:26] <D1> does anyone know how to get Synaptic to remove uneeded dependencies? [10:26] <flugh[away] > gotta work a bit [10:26] <samu> skalpel, did you change to the desktop directory in the terminal? [10:26] <D1> like when I install program X and it brings in A, B, and C. and then I remove X how do I remove the other programs? [10:27] <mjr> D1, you don't really; you can try to identify them with deborphan, which will catch a part of them [10:27] <ohay> can I change the uid from ubuntu instead? (maybe it would save some work, or am I wrong?) u see, I already had Fedora installed and have just installed ubuntu [10:27] <Brunellus> how do I edit grub to boot one kernel by default instead of another? [10:27] <D1> hmmm [10:27] <mjr> D1, otherwise you can use debfoster, to which you can manually say what packages you've purposefully installed, and it'll act accordingly [10:27] <mjr> but I don't think synaptic supports this [10:27] <grey-area> i've installed libjpeg6.2 through apt-get, but compiler for app that needs it, doesn't find it. what's wrong? [10:27] <Seveas> Brunellus, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst [10:27] <pestilence> does anybody know how i could figure out what fonts are missing when i display a webpage that has flash in it in firefox, but some of the fonts are missing? [10:28] <theine> Hi, which package does /usr/bin/gnome-video-thumbnailer belong to? [10:28] <persi1> ohay: My apologies, but I think I just understood your issue. Fedora is working fine, and you just installed ubuntu, right? If this is the case, and you change the ubuntu /etc/passwd UID before the /home stuff for your new user gets too comfortable, you should have your old environment. Note that this is not really recommended, as the two distributions probably have differing configurations: it would be better to keep the home dir [10:28] <pestilence> theine: http://packages.ubuntu.com [10:28] <Seveas> theine, dpkg -s /usr/bin/gnome-video-thumbnailer [10:28] <theine> Seveas, please try for yourself... [10:29] <Seveas> -S not -s [10:29] <Seveas> argh [10:29] <theine> Seveas, either way [10:29] <Seveas> and it's a symlink too :) [10:29] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~/foo $ dpkg -S `readlink -f /usr/bin/gnome-video-thumbnailer` [10:29] <Seveas> totem-xine: /usr/bin/totem-video-thumbnailer [10:29] <Seveas> that way it works :) [10:29] <Brunellus> Seveas: can I just comment out the lines that I don't want grub to use? [10:29] <theine> Seveas, ah, thanks a lot [10:30] <fishie> i have installed firestarter and have gotten 20 traceroute logs from coming from my isp, or someone with an ip in that class. is this something to worry about or no? [10:30] <skalpel> samu: yes, i did change to my desktop dir, i get the same error [10:30] <skalpel> samu: even though ls says it is right there [10:30] <mpmc> my friend cant access my apache server, I have no firewall/router. [10:30] <mpmc> ?? [10:30] <Seveas> Brunellus, better simply edit the line that says: default: 0 [10:30] <satch> hi all - when I try to run debootstrap it exits after saying it can't download base-passwd - anyone know what can be done about that ? [10:31] <ohay> persi1: I see what u mean, about messing up configurations and stuff. Is there a way to copy one user's permissions and all and only change the user name, so the system creates a new home folder? [10:31] <Brunellus> Seveas: if default: 0 is the kernel that I don't want [10:31] <dArtagnan> I have a problem with mplayer, I can perfectly play the dvd, but no sound [10:31] <mpmc> How do I open a port on the system to allow access? [10:31] <Brunellus> so I edit it to default: 2 [10:31] <Brunellus> if the kernel I want is the third item in the list? [10:32] <ohay> persi1: but the new user should have exactly the same characteristics as the one I created during installation [10:32] <Seveas> Brunellus, correct [10:32] <Brunellus> excellent. thank you very much [10:32] <persi1> ohay: Yes! If you create a new user in ubuntu with a different name, and before you log in, edit /etc/passwd to match the UID of your fedora user (same number, different names), you should be able to access both directories from both distributions, and each will have separate configurations. [10:34] <persi1> ohay: You may have to edit /etc/group to make sure that the new user belongs to all the same groups as the originally created user. You will also want to make sure there is an entry for the user in /etc/sudoers. I don't know of any other special things about the first created user. [10:35] <skalpel> can someone help me with this error message? [10:35] <skalpel> The file /opt/realplayer/rp8_linux20_libc6_i386_cs2_rpm does not exist, or it is corrupt. You may have downloaded the wrong file, or put it in the wrong location. Please try again. [10:35] <ohay> persi1: what I mean is: is there a parameter/command that copies one user's characteristics and stuf while it's creating another? [10:36] <pestilence> does anybody else have flashplayerlinux + firefox installed? could you try going to http://macromedia.com and see if you can see the menus at the top of the screen (or are they blank, missing fonts) [10:36] <patrickj> back lol [10:37] <Tomcat_> pestilence: Works for me. [10:37] <patrickj> anyways, how can I change the size of all my icons? [10:37] <persi1> ohay: I don't know of any. Sorry. [10:37] <pestilence> Tomcat_: 2 questions, how did you install flash, and did you install any extra fonts? [10:37] <ohay> persi1: or maybe some way to only change the current user's user_name, so it uses/creates another folder [10:37] <mpmc> How do O allow people to access my apache?? [10:38] <persi1> ohay: Do you already have an ubuntu user folder? [10:38] <loorni> when i use this sudo thing it asks password what is the password? [10:38] <patrickj> ? [10:38] <persi1> loorni: your login password. [10:38] <pestilence> skalpel: just install the .bin file from real.com [10:38] <patrickj> who in here is using Openbox and gnome-panel? [10:38] <loorni> persi1, it says login incorrect [10:38] <Tomcat_> pestilence: I got the flashplayer-plugin for mozilla package installed, that was all... as for additional fonts: Only the msttcorefonts package. [10:39] <pestilence> hrmm. maybe i should try that one [10:39] <Tomcat_> pestilence: Did you install the flash plugin manually? :o [10:39] <ohay> persi1: no, because it can't create the folder with the user name, since there is already one with the same name and unacessible [10:39] <mpmc> will anyone help me :( [10:39] <pestilence> Tomcat_: no, i don't think so. i'm not really sure as this home directory has followed me around [10:39] <persi1> ohay: OK. So which properties of the ubuntu user are you trying to migrate? Does it have any yet? [10:40] <ohay> persi1: only the user rights and stuff like that [10:41] <ohay> persi1: just beacuse I'm lazy to look for groups and permissions and apply them one by one to the new user [10:41] <Tomcat_> pestilence: Try uninstall it then until Firefox can't play Flash anymore and doesn't have any flash plugins in about:plugins... then install the package. But if your fonts are broken in Flash it sounds like it's something worse than the plugin itself. [10:41] <patrickj> who in here is using gnome and metacity? [10:41] <pestilence> Tomcat_: the msttcorefonts fixed it! [10:41] <fr500> hello [10:41] <lakin> So if I have a problem with package from universe, do I report the bug back in debian's buglist, or is there another path for me to take? [10:41] <pestilence> excellent. [10:41] <Tomcat_> patrickj: I *think* I am. [10:41] <Tomcat_> pestilence: Certainly interesting... [10:41] <patrickj> Tomcat_: did you change the Window Manager since u install ubuntu/ [10:41] <Tomcat_> patrickj: Isn't Metacity the default for Gnome? [10:41] <persi1> ohay: OK. The user rights are encoded by name in /etc/group and /etc/sudoers (and maybe somewhere else - I don't know). If you change the name, you need to change the name in these files, as well as /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow. Remember to set the UID in /etc/passwd to match the UID of your Fedora user. [10:41] <skalpel> pestilence: i just did [10:42] <Tomcat_> patrickj: No, never. [10:42] <tucoz> Any emacs users around? I find the default font really ugly in ubuntu. How do you change this? [10:42] <patrickj> Tomcat_: yes but im using openbox, but i wanted metacity and natuilus back [10:42] <pestilence> Tomcat_: so the *real* reason i wanted to fix this is because any "Gameday" features off of mlb.com would show up blank. very aggravating when you are trying to follow games :) [10:42] <fr500> what linux would you recommend for a 486dx? [10:42] <pestilence> skalpel: so forget the ubuntu package. [10:42] <patrickj> I can get metacity back, but I cant seem to get nautilus to work anymore :/ [10:42] <puff> Afternoon. My thinkpad seems to have lost track of its wireless somewhere in the process of coming out of hibernation. [10:42] <synd> fr500: ubuntu server install [10:42] <Tomcat_> patrickj: Uninstall openbox, try to find the metacity package then reinstall it? [10:43] <fr500> synd, 16mb ram? [10:43] <Tomcat_> pestilence: Indeed... :) [10:43] <synd> fr500: dont know why you would bother with a 486 anyways [10:43] <skalpel> pestilence: well i set firefox to use an external player, totem, how can i set it back to use the realplayer plugin? [10:43] <puff> tucoz: I'm an emacs user, I just tart emacs with a -fot option. [10:43] <puff> Er, -font.. [10:43] <kev0r> ARG, anyone exp with tweaking hotplug to automount a USBstick? [10:43] <persi1> skalpel: firefox preferences...downloads [10:43] <tucoz> puff: ok, So what font do you start with? [10:43] <puff> Standard xwindows font argument, though in my case I kept it courier, just enlarged the font size. [10:43] <ohay> persi1: and do u remember how to change the user_name? (command line style, since I can't login graphically) [10:43] <fr500> synd, it's a laptop access point :D i'm reusing trash hardware to build a MAN with my friends [10:44] <skalpel> pers1: ok [10:44] <loorni> what if i cant remember my password? [10:44] <puff> One sec, rebooting that machine now to see if that fixes the wireless (rebooting to fix a problem, sheesh, feels like I'm on windows :-). [10:44] <kev0r> persi1: didn't work with autofs [10:44] <persi1> ohay: sudo vi /etc/passwd; sudo vi /etc/shadow; sudo vi /etc/group; sudo vi /etc/sudoers [10:44] <pestilence> loorni: you can boot into recovery mode and change it [10:44] <persi1> kev0r: At least you're developing a nice catalog of things that *don't* work. [10:44] <skalpel> pers1: i do not see any plugins for the file type realplayer uses [10:45] <skalpel> not that i recognize anyway [10:45] <nightswim> vipw [10:45] <kev0r> haha, BIG catalog :) [10:45] <patrickj> Tomcat_: I know how to get metacity back on, its not a problem but I cant seem to get the nautilus desktop to restore :/ [10:45] <ohay> persi1: no chuser -parameter or something ? [10:45] <persi1> kev0r: The only things I can think of that you haven't listed are usbmount and hotplug scripts, neither of which seem to be available easily. [10:45] <lakin> nm, I found the appropriate pages [10:45] <puff> Damn, well, rebooting fixed it. [10:45] <tucoz> puff, ok. I try some more. [10:46] <Tomcat_> patrickj: Did you try 1) to reinstall the Nautilus packages and 2) to reinstall the ubuntu-desktop package? [10:46] <persi1> ohay: I don't know of anything like that, sorry. [10:46] <puff> So I start my emacs with: emacs -font -*-courier-*-r-*-*-20-140-*-*-*-*-*-* & [10:46] <puff> emacs -font -*-courier-*-r-*-*-20-140-*-*-*-*-*-* & [10:46] <ohay> persi1: ok then, sorry for bugging u [10:46] <puff> You can select a font using xfontsel [10:46] <persi1> skalpel: how about something in the File Types section? [10:46] <pestilence> skalpel: did you have to install a totem plugin for firefox? [10:47] <tucoz> puff, Ok, thanks. I have pasted a font I like in .emacs. [10:47] <puff> it's basically a font-browser, lets you tweak the different bits of the font parameter and see what it looks like. [10:48] <patrickj> Tomcat_: how would I go about that? [10:48] <tucoz> puff, yes, I tried that just now. I'll fiddle around some more. Thanks for the help. [10:48] <puff> So my wireless issue is fixed, but if anybody has ideas about what happened, and a lest drastic fix than rebooting, I'd love to hear about it. [10:50] <concept10> Amaranth, are you here? [10:51] <persi1> Is anyone familiar with jackd? [10:51] <ohay> persi1: just one more thing, I think that maybe the system configured itself with a strange charset, because many characters in the manpages are screwed, do u know how to change/view the default charset configuration? [10:51] <Kesh> hi all [10:51] <Kesh> I have a question [10:51] <kev0r> persi1: any id on how to script the hotplug to automount usb, that readme you showed me isn't really helpfull [10:52] <Teja> hi everyone [10:52] <ohay> persi1: I think that the manpages use UTF-8, which is kinda the default for documentation, right? [10:52] <puff> Hi. [10:52] <loorni> pestilence, and how do i boot into recovery mode and change my password? [10:53] <persi1> ohay: My apologies, but I don't remember. Maybe dpkg-reconfigure locales? [10:53] <Kesh> I would like to chat just a minute with somebody that had tried linux and xp [10:53] <Teja> hi, can i get help with the /etc/hosts.conf file? [10:53] <Teja> I messed it up [10:53] <Teja> and can't do much in GNOME now [10:53] <Burgundavia> Teja, help is in #ubuntu [10:53] <Tomcat_> Kesh: Just ask in here. :) [10:53] <Burgundavia> Teja, I apologize, I thought I was in #ubntu-devel [10:53] <Teja> ah :P [10:53] <persi1> kev0r: No: I was never able to figure out hotplug scripts. I didn't have much luck with google either: perhaps you'll have more? [10:53] <hou5ton> Is this a bug or something wrong on my end ... when I have both the etho0and etho1 activated (wired and wireless), I get an error: failure in name resolution and although it shows that I am online,... nothing opens [10:54] <Kesh> ok, my computer came with XP.... is it worth to try ubuntu ?? what advantages should I expect ? [10:54] <ohay> persi1: oh, and another thing, I looked into my sudoers file and it does not contain my current user, even though I can sudo with it, how is that possible? [10:54] <hou5ton> Kesh: It's more of a philosophical thing [10:54] <Tomcat_> hou5ton: Check "route" and "less /etc/resolv.conf" for your router and DNS servers. [10:55] <persi1> ohay: Yes, it's probably UTF-8. Also, I probably misremembered how sudo works: try man sudo. [10:55] <kev0r> haha like i'm gonna have luck :/ [10:55] <Kesh> does that mean that there are no real advantagess [10:55] <Tomcat_> hou5ton: Sounds to me like your DNS server (resolv.conf) is not reachable. [10:55] <Tomcat_> Kesh: It really depends on what you want and need. [10:55] <hou5ton> Kesh: sure ... there are some [10:55] <Kesh> I need a fast computer...as everybody [10:55] <Tomcat_> Kesh: Ubuntu gives you a whole lot of absolutely free software in both meanings... [10:56] <Tomcat_> Kesh: It gives you the freedom to change anything in your system, whatever you want... [10:56] <glick> does ubuntu maintain their own kernel or do they use the debian one? [10:56] <persi1> kev0r: Well, the coin can only come up tails so many times... [10:56] <Tomcat_> Kesh: If you want your laptop to send an email every time you get into your home wireless lan, it's easily possible... that'd be a hell of a task in Windows. [10:56] <Teja> where can i find the default hosts.conf file? [10:56] <Kesh> god...thanks god it is free...with that kind of speech you couldnt sell a single copy [10:56] <Teja> or one that works [10:56] <Teja> mine i s corrupt [10:56] <Seveas> glick, ubuntu uses debian kernels as base, but with a lot of Ubuntu specific patches [10:57] <ttyS0> does anybody know any good CD-R/RW burner with GTK interface? :) [10:57] <Tomcat_> glick: I *think* they have their own kernel... as there's binary drivers in there. [10:57] <Tomcat_> ttyS0: I like the Nautilus burner... not enough for you? :D [10:57] <glick> no one uses vanilla kernels right? [10:57] <ttyS0> Tomcat_, doesn't work for me [10:57] <Seveas> Teja, hosts.conf for which application? [10:57] <loorni> When i try that sudo nano what ever it says "Login incorrect" where is the problem? [10:57] <Teja> seveas, /etc/hosts.conf [10:58] <Tomcat_> Kesh: That's because I don't want to sell anything. I don't persuade people into getting Linux, I wait for them to come. :o [10:58] <Seveas> ttyS0, gnomebaker & graveman [10:58] <Thewarmachine> gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)::::is this ok? [10:58] <Kesh> looks to me like a lot of troubles for nothing... I really want to try it, but cant find what are the advantages...except for the free thing [10:58] <Teja> /etc/hosts [10:58] <Seveas> Teja, ah [10:58] <hou5ton> Tomcat_: shouldn't Ubuntu work with both eth0 and eth1 activated in System/Administration/Networking? [10:58] <Tomcat_> Kesh: If you like to play around with your computer, that's an advantage as well... apart from that I can't really find any. I'm using it for the freedom and the tinkering. :) [10:58] <Tomcat_> hou5ton: If you have a bad configuration, it will show it as working but in reality won't work. [10:59] <Seveas> Teja, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/849 [10:59] <hou5ton> ok [10:59] <hou5ton> thanks [10:59] <Seveas> change 'mirage' to your hostname [10:59] <ttyS0> Seveas, thx [10:59] <Thewarmachine> gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2) is this ok or did I screw something up?? [10:59] <glick> i have a question how can you use gdb on an application that was built for another application? [10:59] <glick> i mean for another platform [10:59] <Teja> thanks seveas, will try [10:59] <persi1> Kesh: It's not well described. Try the livecd, and if you like it, consider installing. If you don't like it, stick with XP. [10:59] <Kesh> ok, thx anyways.... I just wanted to know....Im a systems engineer, but I prefer to use the time in creating stuff using tools already available... [10:59] <Tomcat_> hou5ton: For example, if my DHCP server would be configured to serve 10.0.0.100 (doesn't exist) as DNS server, the config would be okay... but the DNS wouldn't be found. [10:59] <Seveas> Teja, and remove the 172.* lines :) [10:59] <tjm> hey guys, need some help setting up a PCI modem under ubuntu 5.04. The device manager sees a HaM controllerless modem just fine, but when I try autodetecting a modem in network setup, nothing is found. [10:59] <tjm> any ideas? [11:00] <Seveas> tjm, that's a winmodem, you need to google and do a lot of things to get that working... [11:00] <Tomcat_> Kesh: persi1 brought up a good point... try the LiveCD. It shows what you will get, without any risk and without using much time. [11:01] <Kesh> yeah, I already scheduled the download for tonite, but I wanted somebody to tell me the good things in a brief comment [11:01] <tjm> god damnit :| [11:01] <hou5ton> Tomcat_: it appears that the wireless is set up the same way as the wired ... DHCP ... not sure what else to look for [11:02] <Tomcat_> Kesh: To be honest, there are few things that work better than in Windows, and lots that work worse... so I guess from your standpoint there are few advantages. If you like the freedom though, it's great. [11:02] <persi1> Kesh: Do you use the POSIX layer for XP, or cygwin? If so, you get all that without the annoying separation between the environments. If not, perhaps just that software installation and management are easier. [11:02] <Kesh> ok, thx a lot and good luck !!! [11:02] <Tomcat_> Kesh: For the few things that work better: I got Ubuntu on my laptop and main PC, and the machine sharing is just awesome... [11:03] <Tomcat_> Kesh: I can use applications on my main machine if the laptop is not fast enough, I can quickly access all my data, anywhere... total freedom to use whatever machine you want for anything. That's fantastic. [11:03] <Tomcat_> Although that's certainly available on Windows XP too, if you invest some money. :o [11:03] <Teja> how do i find my host name? [11:04] <concept10> Kesh, advantages: Freedom (you stated), but for me speed and stability over windows, package management, great community, the ability to install customize and GAWK at all the code you want to. [11:04] <Teja> noob :P [11:04] <Kesh> well.... I have a wireless network at home....using xp and windows 2000 in a laptop....everything works fine [11:04] <Teja> here [11:04] <ttyS0> is it possible to restart HALD? If yes then how? [11:04] <Tomcat_> Teja: cat /etc/hostname [11:04] <plopp> Teja, hostname [11:04] <LokeDK> psychonate, you there? [11:04] <Tomcat_> Oh... or "hostname", thanks plopp. [11:04] <Kesh> well....for the amount of applications I have installed, probably not worth to try to start all over under linux.... [11:05] <Teja> thanks [11:05] <Teja> plopp and tomcat_ [11:05] <concept10> Kesh, you dont have to start all over, plus, with APT you can install all of those apps in one command [11:06] <Tomcat_> Kesh: Nobody says you should switch in one day... try the LiveCD, if you like it, install it and dual boot for a while... [11:06] <file> i switched in one day... [11:06] <eno> msg nickserv identify gr33n [11:06] <Kesh> well...thx I will try the livecd... and will comeback to let you know... [11:06] <fr500> Kesh, i have a wireless WAN, 20 ppl connected, al linux machines through wireless usb dongles+cable extensios and ubuntu, my same pc is router, AP, dns server, mail server and provedes gateway for internet. [11:06] <fr500> Kesh, flexibility is the key [11:06] <Tomcat_> file: Depends on how you define that switch... I've known Linux quite well for over a year before I switched, so I won't only count the one day it took to transform. :) [11:06] <Kesh> sounds good [11:07] <Tomcat_> eno: You should change your password quickly. :) [11:07] <file> yeah yeah, one day... [11:07] <Kesh> is it stable?? [11:07] <concept10> I switched over a period of about 6 months. I used to dual boot alot but now I dont [11:08] <fr500> Kesh, Ubuntu, yes it is, it doesnt like mixing repositories and some other stuff, but for the rest it's fine [11:08] <Tomcat_> Kesh: Absolutely stable. [11:08] <kev0r> persi1: i've some progress [11:08] <Kesh> well, to tell the truth, win xp has been veryu stable....and win2000 has been excellent... sorry if I dissapoint some anti bgates folks [11:09] <Tomcat_> concept10: I would never be able to go through with such a method... I'd always miss Windows then. :) [11:09] <concept10> Kesh, stable as a hardwood floor [11:09] <kev0r> ive written some configs in autofs (automount) [11:09] <fr500> Kesh, this pc has XP, the major issue is Internet Explorer [11:09] <persi1> Kesh: In all honesty, it's stable as long as you aren't using newer 3D graphics cards with accelleration. In this case, some games will cause crashes. [11:09] <Tomcat_> concept10: I'm really quick in navigating in Windows, and Gnome isn't as responsive, so dual boot would be 90% Windows for me... ;) [11:09] <kev0r> when i plugin the USB drive, in ps aux a [usb-storage] pops up [11:09] <fr500> Kesh, it installs a lot of stuff without asking [11:10] <fr500> even with the latest security patches [11:10] <pestilence> loorni: anybody answer your question? [11:10] <Kesh> thanks to all, this is a great community [11:10] <persi1> kev0r: excellent! At least something is working. Do you have /etc/fstab entries to match against? [11:10] <fr500> yes it is [11:10] <ttyS0> hald hangs sometimes. how can i restart it? [11:11] <eno> where to enable ssh or other network daemons? [11:11] <concept10> Tomcat_, I miss my audio applications in Windows. Besides that, you have to think what do you do everyday? I play one game.. I browse the net, check email and IRC. A couple of documents here and there and I have a server. It fits my needs. [11:11] <Kesh> probably I will try it in a new computer, keeping the windows based one [11:11] <plopp> eno /etc/init.d/ [11:11] <fr500> Kesh, the LiveCD/DVD is great to try [11:11] <concept10> Also, windows responds slower for some reason.. I think it maybe Norton SystemWorks clogging my system [11:11] <Kesh> I will.....have a nice sunday evening !!! [11:11] <Seveas> concept10, norton systemclogs.... [11:11] <Tomcat_> concept10: Yeah... almost the same for me. It's so much browsing, mail, office, irc, there's no need for Windows really. [11:11] <persi1> eno;Also, try dpkg-reconfigure (daemon package) [11:12] <Kesh> all norton stuff is heavy....loads of resources badly used [11:12] <Seveas> needing tools like systemclogs rules out the possibility if ever using windows for me... [11:12] <Tomcat_> concept10: What I miss most is the flexibility and just-works-feeling I had with movies and series... [11:12] <eno> thx guys [11:12] <Kesh> later [11:12] <concept10> Tomcat_, I cant even watch a movie in Windows.. Video is broken in all apps [11:13] <Tomcat_> concept10: Sure there's w32codecs and libdvdcss, but they're nowhere near as good as the Windows counterparts, but acceptable. [11:13] <concept10> Tomcat_, but are you having problems watching movies? [11:13] <penguinboy> penguinboy@ubuntu:~/sunbird$ ./configure [11:13] <penguinboy> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory [11:13] <Tomcat_> concept10: Well my last Windows install had a horribly broken codec registry as well - because of huge (80 MB) codec packages... that will never happen in Linux. [11:13] <penguinboy> need help...I am trying to install Sunbird....I changed to the directory and typed ./configure but got an error message....any idea [11:13] <Seveas> Tomcat_, w32codecs ARE the windows counterparts... [11:14] <Seveas> penguinboy, because you are not in the top-level sourccode directory of sunbird [11:14] <Tomcat_> concept10: Sound is sometimes lagging behind the picture, WMV is working badly in anything but mplayer... :P [11:14] <penguinboy> Deveas....how do i get there [11:14] <concept10> Tomcat_, do you have DMA enabled? [11:14] <Seveas> Tomcat_, that's what mplayer is for, others don't officially support it ;) [11:14] <persi1> Tomcat_: Attaching totem directly to ALSA solved that for me. [11:14] <concept10> The only time I get dragging is when DMA is off [11:15] <Seveas> penguinboy, dunno, never tried to install it :) [11:15] <penguinboy> thanks [11:15] <nelsongs> can somebody help me please? [11:15] <Amaranth> concept10: hi [11:15] <Tomcat_> Seveas: Yeah the w32codecs are the real Windows codecs, but they don't work as well... I'm not blaming anyone, it's great that it works, and so well... but for some special video codecs it's just better in Windows. Because it's the only target platform. :\ [11:15] <|quad|> my breezy xorg isn't working... anyone know if the "no core keyboard" bug has been fixed? [11:15] <persi1> penguinboy: try using ls -F and cd (directory-name) until you find a directory containing configure. It ought to work there. [11:15] <kev0r> still nobody here who ever succeeded in getting an usbdrive to automount? [11:15] <kev0r> without installing gnome :P [11:15] <nelsongs> i have a killswitch to activate the ip2200, but it doesn't work [11:15] <Amaranth> |quad|: edit the config file [11:16] <Tomcat_> Seveas: You mean xine doesn't officially support w32codecs? [11:16] <pestilence> Tomcat_: really? i thought w32codecs + mplayer worked really well. [11:16] <Seveas> nelsongs, you probably need to do something in /proc, hang on [11:16] <|quad|> Amaranth to do what? [11:16] <concept10> penguinboy, you are trying to get a calendar? [11:16] <persi1> |quad|: You need to adjust your xorg.conf: change keyboard to kbd [11:16] <Tomcat_> concept10: Yeah I got that... I haven't really checked when it happens, as it's not so bad and can be fixed by pausing the video shortly. [11:16] <Amaranth> |quad|: change keyboard to kbd [11:16] <penguinboy> yes...but I want the Sunbird calendar [11:16] <concept10> Amaranth, I was curious if you have seen this:http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/ [11:16] <Amaranth> yep [11:16] <|quad|> persi1: Amaranth: as in the driver? [11:17] <Amaranth> yep [11:17] <Tomcat_> pestilence: Haven't really checked the lagging sound vids with mplayer... maybe I should. Thanks. ;) [11:17] <Amaranth> concept10: what about it? [11:17] <nelsongs> Seveas: okay, can you help me and tell me what to do? [11:17] <|quad|> Amaranth: thanks, lets see if this worked [11:17] <Mobius> anyone know of any replacements for the windows backgammong and reversi games? my mother really wants them.. =/ [11:17] <persi1> |quad|: Yes, the driver. Note that there are other issues with breezy X: expect more problems... [11:17] <concept10> penguinboy, If you use thunderbird, there is a calendar extension that is the same as Sunbird [11:17] <Amaranth> Mobius: iirc GNOME comes with replacements for both of those [11:17] <concept10> Amaranth, I was wondering if that was your app in there [11:17] <pestilence> Tomcat_: yup. and remember to change /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf to read vo=xv (vo=x11 won't let you fullscreen) [11:17] <Amaranth> concept10: nope, that's the official editor [11:18] <Amaranth> concept10: read the blurb [11:18] <Amaranth> concept10: i'm the more advanced 3rd party one [11:18] <|quad|> persi1: thanks... its rebooting now, cross your fingers [11:18] <persi1> Mobius: For backgammon, there's not something in gnome-games: I suggest xgammon [11:18] <Amaranth> concept10: the official one only shows and hides things [11:18] <Seveas> nelsongs, please paste the output of the followinf command on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl : find /proc -name enabled [11:18] <penguinboy> concept10....I do use Thunderbird....how do I get the extension [11:18] <jason__> hello i have a ubuntu question [11:18] <Tomcat_> pestilence: Oh, so that's why QuickTime is so small all the time... o_O [11:18] <hou5ton> i'm looking for a linux app that will scroll through images automatically that are in a folder of my choosing ... [11:19] <nelsongs> Seveas: no output [11:19] <jason__> i need to append the correct prefix to ./configure for qt headers [11:19] <jason__> how? [11:19] <Burgundavia> hou5ton, gthumb will do [11:19] <Mobius> persil: xgammong lacks... polish =/ [11:19] <Burgundavia> hou5ton, installed by default [11:19] <Seveas> nelsongs, hmm, then you will have to wait until tommorow or search somewhere else, I have no physical access to an ipw2200 now... [11:19] <persi1> Mobius: Yes. Do you know of a better interface: I've been looking for one for years. [11:20] <Mobius> persil: for backgammon? nope, im looking myself =/ [11:20] <nelsongs> Seveas: okay, but, what should be the problem here? can you give me an idea? [11:20] <|quad|> anyone know what module v41 is? [11:20] <Tomcat_> persi1: How would I attach totem to alsa? Set audio.driver to "alsa" or something? [11:20] <pestilence> |quad|: video for linux? [11:20] <|quad|> pestilence: is it important? [11:20] <pestilence> |quad|: depends on what you're doing ;) [11:20] <concept10> penguinboy, hold on let me find the proper link [11:20] <penguinboy> thanks [11:21] <pestilence> |quad|: i think you need it to watch tv [11:21] <Seveas> nelsongs, you need to put something in a file in /proc to emulate the killswitch [11:21] <Seveas> and I can't remember the filename :) [11:21] <persi1> Tomcat_: Depends on which totem you use. For gstreamer, set the default output to ALSA. For xine, use the ALSA output plugin. [11:21] <amonkey> what's a good program to organize music/videos? [11:22] <nelsongs> Seveas: my notebook is hp dv4000, will there be a problem? is it supported with rf switch? [11:22] <pestilence> |quad|: http://www.exploits.org/v4l/ [11:23] <Sammi_> How exactly does one set up Samba to interact between two hard drives in the same box? [11:24] <|quad|> pestilence: thanks... lemme look... my xorg isn't loading and thats the only error i am getting [11:24] <DeMi> Sammi, interact? [11:24] <LokeDK> k3b crashed, now I can't remove it's process.. tried with killall -9 k3b, kill -9 processid, kill -HUP processid... it just won't die [11:24] <DeMi> what do you mean? [11:24] <pestilence> Sammi_: ?? why would you do that? [11:24] <persi1> Mobius: If you're prepared to go back to GNOME 1.2, there's gnubg... It never worked for me. [11:24] <DeMi> why would you li8ke to use samba then? [11:24] <|quad|> ohhh, xorg font problems! [11:24] <Sammi_> Pestilence: To move files from one hard drive to the other. [11:24] <|quad|> thats why it isn't loading [11:25] <DeMi> you dont need samba then [11:25] <pestilence> Sammi_: why not use `cp` [11:25] <concept10> Amaranth, that sucks ... I would rather see your app in the official release [11:25] <DeMi> samba is filesharing with windows pc's [11:25] <Sammi_> I was told I needed Samba. [11:25] <DeMi> no you dont [11:25] <Tomcat_> persi1: Where would I change that? The totem GUI doesn't give me those options... [11:25] <Amaranth> concept10: you'll like breezy then [11:25] <tgwj> I have a question about debian package version handling: is X.Y.Z_alphaDATE < or > X.Y.Z ? what about X.Y.Z.0 and X.Y.Z ? ( I am not asking on #debian because they give me no voice ) [11:25] <pestilence> Sammi_: only if the hard drive is across the network in a windows box [11:25] <Mobius> persil: looks like there is no suitable game =/ [11:25] <concept10> Amaranth, is there anyway to integrate that in the right-click menu? [11:26] <Amaranth> concept10: Not going to happen, sorry. [11:26] <pestilence> one needs voice to speak in #debian?? [11:26] <concept10> heh [11:26] <persi1> Mobius: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/games-list/2003-November/msg00003.html :) [11:26] <|quad|> Amaranth: you know how to get fonts on breezy working? [11:26] <hou5ton> Burgundavia: ok .... so far so good ... but I'm having trouble making it do the slide show in a small window in one corner of the desktop .... where it can just be running, and i can be working on other things as I kind of watch it out of the corner of my eye. [11:26] <Amaranth> |quad|: Yep, go back to hoary. [11:26] <Sammi_> So what exactly is this "`cp`"? [11:26] <|quad|> Amaranth: :) [11:26] <Amaranth> |quad|: No offense but you're out of your league. [11:26] <|quad|> Amaranth: hehe yeah i knwo [11:26] <Burgundavia> hou5ton, don't know if it can do that. Why are you trying to do that [11:27] <pestilence> it's cp with two different types of quotes around it [11:27] <ttyS0> i remember that in RH was 'service'. Is it any analogue in Ubuntu? [11:27] <|quad|> Amaranth: you gotta learn somewhere though [11:27] <pestilence> Sammi_: it's basic command line, you use it to CoPy files [11:27] <persi1> |quad|: If you succeed in the upgrade, you'll be unhappy with the number of features still uder construction. Lot's of things just don't work yet, Wait until Spetember. [11:27] <hou5ton> Burgundavia: good question ..... and you'll probably think I've been using Windows too long :-), but I enjoy watching pictures of our last family camping trip, etc., as I work on other things. ... makes me smile. [11:28] <|quad|> persi1: i have been running breezy since the repos opened... [11:28] <tgwj> I have a question about dpkg/apt package version handling: is X.Y.Z_alphaDATE < or > X.Y.Z ? what about X.Y.Z.0 and X.Y.Z ? [11:28] <Seveas> ttyS0, update-rc.d [11:28] <concept10> Amaranth, Im just pissed that I cant right click on a menu element in GNOME and check the properties of something. This was removed in the 2.10 release. I guess I will file a bug report. [11:28] <persi1> |quad|: OK. You7re missing a file. When you find out which one, you can install it, and get past this. No more hints. [11:28] <Seveas> concept10, don't [11:29] <Seveas> it's not a bug [11:29] <|quad|> persi1: hehe :) [11:29] <concept10> Seveas, I know its not a bug [11:29] <Burgundavia> hou5ton, hmm, I don't know that it can be done [11:29] <tgwj> concept10, could you do that in 2.8 ? [11:29] <Sammi_> pestilence: Okay, so do I have to know the specific file names/paths to do so? [11:29] <pestilence> tgwj: from the dpkg man page [11:29] <pestilence> tgwj: dpkg --compare-versions ver1 op ver2 [11:29] <Seveas> then don't file one just because you are pissed [11:29] <Amaranth> concept10: It'd be nice if you got something like what we have for launchers on the panel [11:29] <pestilence> tgwj: won't that answer your question? [11:29] <Seveas> they are working on restoring that feature to work with the new standard... [11:29] <puff> Hm, anybody know if there's a packageifier for intellij idea? [11:30] <concept10> Seveas, but the user should be able to enable that if they choose [11:30] <pestilence> Sammi_: yes, but if you have the hard drive/volumes mounted, you can use gnome's graphical interface, too [11:30] <tgwj> pestilence, if i was running debian or ubuntu at the mo maybe, but I'm researching for armagetron... [11:30] <concept10> tgwj, that was in 2.8 [11:30] <bobbyd> is anyone here using firestarter to "share" an internet connection? [11:30] <Seveas> concept10, agreed, that's why it will be back as soon as it's working :) [11:30] <pestilence> tgwj: so run a live cd [11:30] <hou5ton> Burgundavia: check this out .... it's the kind of thing I would like to add to my Ubuntu desktop http://www.desktopsidebar.com/ [11:30] <bobbyd> it doesn't seem to work here and there are errors when i run it on the console [11:30] <concept10> Seveas, okay/ [11:30] <bobbyd> it says Bad argument `events-filter-hosts' [11:30] <ttyS0> I thought it's possible to restart hald via update-rc.d, but I was wrong. Any ideas? :) [11:31] <concept10> Seveas, BTW where is this info? Freedesktop.org? [11:31] <pestilence> ttyS0: invoke-rc.d, maybe? [11:31] <pestilence> ttyS0: i always just do /etc/init.d/whatever restart [11:31] <Seveas> concept10, gnome.org (freedesktop.org just specifies the standard, gnome implements it) [11:31] <brettcar> http://www.desktopsidebar.com/ [11:31] <ttyS0> pestilence, me too, but there's not any filename with 'hald' in it in /etc/init.d :) [11:32] <pestilence> oh [11:32] <mpmc> !xorh [11:32] <ubotu> mpmc: Bugger all, i dunno [11:32] <mpmc> !xorg [11:32] <ubotu> I don't know, mpmc [11:32] <mpmc> :s [11:32] <Amaranth> What do you want to know? [11:32] <Burgundavia> hou5ton, that looks like the dashboard project, which is sort of dead right now [11:33] <mpmc> where do I find out about window managers like gnome? [11:33] <hou5ton> Burgundavia: oh ... so there was at least "someone" with the same kind of ideas? ;-) [11:33] <Mobius> persil: gnubg looks pretty nice [11:33] <Burgundavia> hou5ton, http://www.nat.org/dashboard/ [11:33] <hou5ton> Burgundavia: k,... thanks ... [11:33] <Amaranth> mpmc: What? [11:33] <Sammi_> pestilence: That's the thing. It won't let me mount the hard drive. It says that "/dev/hdc" is already mounted, but when I go into /dev/, and find the thing called hdc, I double-click on it and it says it can't display it. [11:33] <mpmc> GUI's like gnome. [11:34] <persi1> Mobius: I've been bothered by the gtk1.2 requirement. Is the interface much better than xgammon? [11:34] <Amaranth> mpmc: You mean Desktop Environments? [11:34] <Tomcat_> persi1: Okay, found out what audio.driver to set. [11:34] <mpmc> yes [11:34] <pestilence> Sammi_: try typing "mount" at a command line [11:34] <Amaranth> mpmc: XFCE, GNUStep, KDE, GNOME [11:34] <Tomcat_> persi1: I'll check it out, thanks. [11:34] <pestilence> Sammi_: you can't open the device directly, you have to open the "mount point" [11:34] <Amaranth> mpmc: Those are the only DEs. [11:34] <pestilence> Sammi_: "mount" will tell you what the mount point is [11:35] <nelsongs> anybody here who can help me? [11:35] <pestilence> nelsongs: just ask [11:35] <nelsongs> on the killswitch for ip22200 [11:35] <cafuego> Did you ask a qustion then? [11:35] <mpmc> Amaranth: got anything like gnome.. [11:35] <nelsongs> ipw2200* [11:35] <Amaranth> mpmc: Closest thing to GNOME that isn't GNOME is XFCE. [11:35] <hou5ton> Burgundavia: Yep, ... that would be it. I enjoy getting scrolling RSS feeds and stuff like that... [11:36] <Amaranth> mpmc: The rest are a lot different. [11:36] <pestilence> nelsongs: oh, dunno. tried the latest drivers/firmware ? [11:36] <mpmc> Amaranth: I didn't like it [11:36] <Amaranth> mpmc: Then you're kinda SOL. :P [11:36] <pestilence> nelsongs: i have an ipw2200 too, but haven't tried getting the killswitch to work [11:36] <Amaranth> mpmc: There are only so many of these things. It'd better to find the one you like the most and tweak it. [11:37] <Tomcat_> nelsongs: The killswitch works for me, it's hardware based on my laptop. [11:37] <mpmc> the only thing I liked was the apple like bar.. [11:37] <pestilence> nelsongs: but, kismet won't work without the latest drivers/firmware. [11:37] <concept10> What server is the Firefox channel at? [11:37] <nelsongs> pestilence: the ipw2200 was installed properly from ubuntu [11:37] <pestilence> nelsongs: right, and there has been updates to the drivers/firmware since ubuntu was released. [11:37] <Amaranth> mpmc: If you're looking for an OS X wannabe go buy a Mac. [11:37] <Burgundavia> hou5ton, basically, they are currently working on beagle, which does the searching. When they made beagle rock, they will focus back on dashboard [11:37] <nelsongs> Tomcat_: what laptop do you have? [11:37] <pestilence> nelsongs: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ [11:37] <Tomcat_> nelsongs: HP Compaq NX9030 [11:38] <mpmc> Amaranth: Cough.. I hate macs [11:38] <Sammi_> pestilence: It tells me nothing about an hdc when I type "mount" in, and when I type "mount /dev/hdc/", it gives me "mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /media/cdrom0 busy". [11:38] <ttyS0> ok. ttys0@ubuntu:~$ ps ax | grep hald |||| 6283 ? Ds 0:05 /usr/sbin/hald --drop-privileges ||||| This process cannot be killed. But....may be....I can do that? [11:38] <nelsongs> pestilence: so i have to upgrade the firmware and driver first? [11:38] <Tomcat_> pestilence: Does kismet work with the latest drivers? [11:38] <Amaranth> mpmc: You like OS X but hate the hardware? That's new. [11:38] <pestilence> Tomcat_: yes [11:38] <mjr> Amaranth, it doesn't run w32codecs ;P [11:38] <mpmc> Amaranth: I've never used it! [11:38] <pestilence> Sammi_: then /dev/hdc is your cdrom...? [11:38] <mpmc> Amaranth: nor a mac. [11:38] <pestilence> nelsongs: i don't know, just speculation. [11:39] <Amaranth> mjr: It doesn't need to, it gets real support. :) [11:39] <Sammi_> mpmc: Don't dis what you haven't tried. [11:39] <Tomcat_> persi1: Interesting... it seems totem-xine tries to use alsa as sound source first, but fails because the sound device is in use... killing esd fixes that. [11:39] <pestilence> nelsongs: i'm just saying, some things don't work with the drivers that shipped with ubuntu hoary [11:39] <Amaranth> mpmc: How can you hate something you've never used? [11:39] <pestilence> Tomcat_: i had to compile the latest kismet, also [11:39] <Tomcat_> pestilence: Nice to know... might be good for some wardriving. :) [11:39] <Sammi_> pestilence: Nope. It's a hard drive alright. [11:39] <nelsongs> pestilence: oh i see [11:39] <mpmc> sammi_: I guess your right.. [11:40] <nelsongs> pestilence: what notebook do you have? [11:40] <mpmc> anythings better than windoze! lol [11:40] <Tomcat_> pestilence: I've gone back to 1.0.0 at the moment because the latest versions got bugs I don't want... :o [11:40] <pestilence> Sammi_: what does "sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdc" tell you? [11:40] <persi1> Tomcat_: Try using dmix. Instructions in /usr/share/doc/alsa-something. This allows esd+direct alsa (but causes me issues with jackd). [11:40] <Amaranth> mpmc: Actually Windows 2000 and Windows XP are pretty nice. [11:40] <memin> does anyone know if ubuntu has a Home Design Software package? [11:40] <nelsongs> pestilence: i have a dv4000 laptop [11:40] <pestilence> nelsongs: dell inspiron 700m [11:40] <Amaranth> memin: I highly doubt it. That's a little overly specialized. [11:40] <mpmc> Amaranth: I have windows.. [11:40] <pestilence> Tomcat_: bugs? never! :-D [11:40] <mpmc> Amaranth: I only use it for gaming... [11:41] <Tomcat_> persi1: It works on my main machine as well... I got esd running and xine is using alsa perfectly. It's not important if I have to kill esd for non-laggy video... ;) [11:41] <Amaranth> concept10: Damn you. [11:41] <memin> I am looking for something similsr to Chief Architect Design Software package? [11:41] <Amaranth> concept10: I'm trying to quit smoking over here. [11:41] <Tomcat_> pestilence: The latest versions have indeed been worse and worse... somehow. :D [11:41] <|quad|> persi1 : you still here? i think if figured it out [11:41] <concept10> Amaranth, me too :) [11:41] <Sammi_> pestilence: A bunch of stuff about the hard drive. [11:41] <pestilence> Tomcat_: are you talking about ipw2200 or kismet? [11:41] <Amaranth> Cry_Mac_Ubuntu: Interesting nick. [11:42] <pestilence> Sammi_: ok, then i'm guessing you have an incorrect entry in /etc/fstab [11:42] <Tomcat_> persi1: Will killing esd have any side effects? [11:42] <Amaranth> grr [11:42] <Tomcat_> pestilence: ipw [11:42] <pestilence> Sammi_: sudo gedit /etc/fstab [11:42] <Amaranth> Seveas: Die. [11:42] <persi1> |quad|: Best of luck with it then... [11:42] <|quad|> persi1: would a symlink in /usr/lib/X11/fonts to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts work? [11:42] <Seveas> Amaranth, somw day I will :) [11:42] <mpmc> I'll try SXCE again??? is that how you spell it? [11:42] <pestilence> Tomcat_: oh. uh-oh. i haven't seen the bugs yet, i'll keep my fingers crossed. [11:42] <Amaranth> mpmc: XFCE [11:43] <mpmc> tanx [11:43] <persi1> Tomcat_: Without esd, all your libesd-using apps will have no sound (inlcuindg desktop sounds, etc.). dmix is better if you want everything, unless you want jack. [11:43] <benplaut> Amaranth: what was that display of power for? :P [11:43] <patrickj> I have a problem with Gaim, it wont log me in to MSN, it just hangs at retrieving buddy list :/ [11:43] <Amaranth> benplaut: * Seveas hands Amaranth a cigarette and lighter [11:43] <pestilence> Sammi_: you could also try "mount /dev/hdc /my/mount/point" (change /my/mount/point to the mount point of choice) [11:43] <benplaut> ahh [11:43] <Tomcat_> persi1: dmix is a replacement for esd? Or where in the sound chain does it work? :o [11:44] <Amaranth> !info dmix [11:44] <pestilence> Sammi_: that will bypass /etc/fstab. [11:44] <Amaranth> oh, package doesn't exist [11:44] <cafuego> Please to be smoking OUTSIDE, thankyou. [11:44] <benplaut> ubotu dousn't take wildcards, unfortunately [11:44] <ubotu> benplaut: I give up, what is it? [11:44] <benplaut> oh, be quiet [11:45] <file> im trying to install the gaim xfire plugin, any ideas? [11:45] <cafuego> benplaut: Do a 'find dmix' first then. [11:45] <benplaut> !find dmix [11:45] <mpmc> !kmix [11:45] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, mpmc [11:45] <mpmc> lol [11:45] <persi1> Tomcat_: dmix is an input plugin for ALSA. It acts as a software multiplexor to the hardware. This way multiple apps can access the same hardware device. [11:45] <mpmc> !info kmix [11:45] <ubotu> kmix: (KDE based mixer app), section sound, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 347 kB, Installed size: 1136 kB [11:45] <benplaut> !info libasound2 [11:45] <ubotu> libasound2: (ALSA library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.0.8-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 292 kB, Installed size: 1044 kB [11:45] <Amaranth> ok, that's enough now [11:46] <benplaut> k [11:46] <benplaut> :D [11:46] <Tomcat_> persi1: I might try it... thanks so far, valuable member of the community. ;) [11:46] <catolh> Isn't there a equalizer for Rhythmbox? [11:47] <aimee> hey, when the cdrom drive is mounted to /media/cdrom0 it's unreliable and it seems to magically unmount itself - but when I mount the cdrom drive manually to /mnt, I have no problems. I had deleted and recreated the symlink on /cdrom, but I don't think that's the cause. Can anyone help? Thanks. [11:47] <persi1> Tomcat_: I think you'll find something with some details in /usr/share/doc/alsa-utils or somewhere nearby. If nothing else, google for dmix: there are a number of config files available on the web. [11:48] <Sammi_> pesti_away: It gives me the same error: "mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /media/cdrom0 busy". [11:48] <Sammi_> -.- [11:48] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> Hello, all. Is this the tech, or community room? [11:49] <bionic> Uhm, whats the command to say messages to other people logged in, in terminals.. ? [11:49] <linlin> wall [11:49] <Seveas> or talk [11:49] <linlin> mmhmm [11:49] <cafuego> Cry_Mac_Ubuntu: A bit of both, just ask the question :-) [11:49] <bionic> thank you. [11:49] <concept10> Cry_Mac_Ubuntu, both of them [11:49] <concept10> Cry_Mac_Ubuntu, no crying though [11:50] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> Oh, okay. I don't have time for the answer, but I'll be back. Mean time is it okay to lurk? [11:50] <Amaranth> it's fine [11:50] <Tomcat_> Cry_Mac_Ubuntu: Always. [11:50] <cafuego> Cry_Mac_Ubuntu: yes, just make sure the irc client doesn't do auto-away notifications. [11:50] <Seveas> Cry_Mac_Ubuntu, most people in here lurk :) [11:50] <Amaranth> if all 471 people here were talking we'd be in trouble [11:50] <Seveas> Amaranth, so true :) [11:50] <scruffy_anax> hello everybody [11:50] <aimee> anybody? :) [11:50] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> Also, will the ubuntu website tell me all I need to know about using it? [11:51] <cafuego> Amaranth: There are only 42 people, the rest are bots and cloned for logging, surely. [11:51] <Amaranth> it's bad enough at USA after school/work times [11:51] <Seveas> Cry_Mac_Ubuntu, the wiki (wiki.ubuntu.com) and forums (ubuntuforums.org) help [11:51] <taw> hello [11:52] <aimee> hey, when the cdrom drive is mounted to /media/cdrom0 it's unreliable and it seems to magically unmount itself - but when I mount the cdrom drive manually to /mnt, I have no problems. I had deleted and recreated the symlink on /cdrom, but I don't think that's the cause. Can anyone help? Thanks. [11:52] <Iceman-AMD64> god i need more ram [11:52] <ttyS0> so...there's no way to restart Hardware Abstraction Layer Daemon? :) [11:52] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> Sweet. My question was about the installation of programs, but I'll check the wiki. Thanks all, I'm sure I'll be back with real questions. [11:52] <cafuego> note to self, don't wanke up and use net whilst rsync cronjobs are still running [11:52] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> Also, this is working so much better than smac os. [11:52] <Madpilot> cafuego: don't *what*? [11:52] <taw> what's the state of the world now ? is it possible to simply resize partitions ? [11:53] <Iceman-AMD64> Got to love 64 bit ... now just need a good game to utilize it [11:53] <Seveas> taw sor some filesystems: yes [11:53] <Seveas> for others: possibly [11:53] <cafuego> Madpilot: I must not wake up and start using teh intarwebb whilst by cron jobs are still pulling the server backups down via rsync. [11:53] <cafuego> Madpilot: It's ;ag central here [11:53] <Madpilot> cafuego: ah, OK. that typo for "wake" was attention-getting... [11:54] <taw> Seveas: reiserfs ? [11:54] <scruffy_anax> crimsun: hello a friend of mine told me you should probably help me with my micro settings [11:54] <Seveas> taw, no idea about that [11:54] <cafuego> Madpilot: Whoops, missed that completely. Maybe another coffee... [11:54] <GivenWay> if anyone has a few minutes to help a completely new-to-linux user out, i need help setting up a TV Wonder VE to work in Ubuntu 5.04. feel free to direct chat as well [11:54] <Madpilot> more caffiene is rarely a bad idea - speaking of which, brb... [11:54] <vitry> server libres.irc-hispano.org [11:55] <La_PaRCa> Madpilot, more caffeine is _never_ a bad idea. [11:55] <scruffy_anax> crimsun: my mic is just too silent so nobody heres me . [11:55] <scruffy_anax> whois crimsun [11:55] <scruffy_anax> whops [11:55] <taw> damn, i can't resize it [11:56] <taw> at least not in parted [11:56] <benplaut> what to i append to a terminal command to detach the process from an open terminal? "&" isn't working, for some reason [11:56] <dbw> 23 [11:56] <dbw> oops, disregard that [11:56] <dbw> benplaut: not working?? what are you trying to run? [11:56] <Seveas> benplaut, what is the command you are trying so far? [11:57] <benplaut> xfce4-panel [11:57] <benplaut> it's actually on a Zaurus, but it shoudl be the same :P [11:58] <Seveas> xfce4-panel & [11:58] <Seveas> works fine here :) [11:58] <benplaut> oh [11:58] <benplaut> well [11:58] <Seveas> even from within gnome :) [11:58] <benplaut> the Z is being weird :( [11:59] <flodine> hello folks [11:59] <benplaut> howdee [11:59] <ZibiKebir> can anybody help me in setting up a wireless usb network card [11:59] <flodine> can someone help me running openbox [11:59] <benplaut> flodine: sure [11:59] <cafuego> sudo apt-get install openbox; openbox -replace & [11:59] <flodine> how do i get the debian menu installed?

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.051887

2005-08-05-#ubuntu-java

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ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.115344

2005-08-05-#ubuntu-devel

[12:20] <Mez> pitti: ping [12:24] <Mez> infinity, ping [12:35] <Mez> elmo/mdz: ping [12:53] <Mez> elmo/mdz/pitt: unping [12:53] <Mez> pitti* [02:29] <Lathiat> hrm, why does ubuntu switch away from X when you close the lid [02:29] <Lathiat> cus it never goes back [02:30] <Lathiat> i have to hit alt+f7 every time i open my lid [02:36] <Mez> the "lid" [02:36] <Mez> ? [02:36] <bddebian> Laptop screen? [02:36] <Mez> oh... fair enough [02:40] <Lathiat> yeh [02:40] <Lathiat> on my laptop [03:02] <mxpxpod> what happened to the netapplet gnome-panel applet? [03:36] <mxpxpod> mjg59: ping [03:45] <mxpxpod> I have my dpi set to 75 and firefox doesn't seem to want to follow that [03:45] <mxpxpod> does anyone know about that? [04:45] <bob2> gnome gets very very unhappy when /home/ fills up [04:48] <Amaranth> i bet [07:59] <Lathiat> hrm is the usb printer autoa-dd in gnome-volume-manager supposed to work yet? [07:59] <Lathiat> doesnt seem to have any idea my printer is a printer [08:23] <jdub> Lathiat: not without some extra cups/d-bus/hal integration patches from rh, i *think* [08:26] <Lathiat> jdub: ah [09:41] <sivang> mornig all [09:41] <sivang> morning, eve [09:59] <siretart> does anyone happen to have the upstream changelog for evolution? [10:01] <siretart> never mind, found it [10:13] <doko__> mdz, Kamion: please promote libhsqldb-java to main, OOo2 build-dep [10:21] <mdz> doko__: does it have a main inclusion report? [10:21] <doko__> mdz: no, I did convert it to use gcj weeks ago. the packaging at least is fine [10:21] <doko__> but it's on UbuntuMainInclusionQueue [10:26] <doko__> mdz: if it helps, it's already in main (included in the OOo2 source package) [10:35] <mdz> doko__: it's a build-dep of ooo2 which is also built from the ooo2 source package? [10:37] <doko__> mdz: the patched source is in the ooo2 source package, now that the patch is integrated in the external package, it's using this package [11:35] <brach_> question: for a total noob @ coding (never done it) what language would be a good start in learning? (if their even is such a thing) [11:36] <Burgundavia> brach_, Python is solution Ubuntu favours [11:36] <brach_> ahhh mmk [11:36] <Burgundavia> s/is the [11:36] <Burgundavia> for a similar non-coder, I found it quite easy to get into [11:37] <brach_> hmmm sounds good thx! [11:37] <Burgundavia> http://www.pygtk.org/tutorial.html [11:37] <Burgundavia> that will get you started [11:41] <brach_> kool thx for the time [11:41] <Burgundavia> np [02:21] <Mez> infinity: ping [02:31] <infinity> mez : pong, ish. [02:32] <Mez> infinity- I'm backporting php5 for hoary... [02:32] <infinity> Mez : Don't yet. It's broken in breezy. I need to do anither upload. [02:32] <Mez> so far it;s building ok, and if it finished the build ok - would you be ok with making the changes to breezy so it can be backported on official servers [02:32] <Mez> ah.. [02:32] <Mez> oh. [02:32] <Mez> ok [02:32] <infinity> s/anithoer/another/ [02:33] <Mez> can you poke me when you've done it [02:33] <infinity> What changes are you making to make it build automagically on hoary without issue? [02:33] <infinity> I can put those in to the next upload, if they're nonintrusive. [02:33] <Mez> so far just B-D [02:34] <Mez> dpkg-dev (>= 1.10) [02:34] <infinity> Those B-D work on sid and breezy, I'm surprised we're that far out from hoary already. [02:34] <infinity> Oh, the dpkg-dev thing, right. [02:34] <Mez> and libpq-dev | postgresql-dev [02:34] <infinity> I'd need to make debian/rules changes to make the dpkg-dev build-dep go away. [02:34] <infinity> I probably should anyway. [02:34] <Mez> infinity, get rid of dpkg-dev from B-D? [02:35] <infinity> (Though, given how many sid/breezy packages have that dpkg-dev build-dep, maybe having the new dpkg in backports isn't such a bad idea) [02:35] <Mez> infinity - wouldnt that cause breakages? [02:35] <infinity> The dpkg-dev build-dep is intentional, due to dpkg-srchitecture changing. [02:35] <infinity> s/srchitecture/architecture/ [02:35] <Mez> I got that one :D [02:36] <Mez> so, if you add the libpq-dev | postgresql-dev change to breezy, and I'll get dpkg added to backports (if you think it wont break things - and we know it backports as it was the "acid test" [02:36] <infinity> Well, define "won't break anything". [02:37] <infinity> With dpkg-dev from breezy installed, many sources from hoary will fail to build correctly. [02:37] <Mez> ah. [02:37] <Mez> hmm [02:37] <infinity> But with dpkg-dev from hoary, many source from breezy won't build. [02:37] <infinity> It's a catch-22. [02:37] <infinity> SO, we could never put the new dpkg in hoary-updates, but it MIGHT not be so bad to have it in hoary-backports. [02:37] <Mez> hmm [02:37] <Mez> I think this one'll have to go through mdz [02:37] <infinity> I think we'll need to make some backports-related decisions one way or the other, yes. [02:38] <infinity> The new dpkg isn't the best thing to try to backport, but at the same time, many things you want to backport will fail without it (unless you edit debian/rules, which means no more "automated" backporting, and some actual uploading instead) [02:38] <Mez> wont they build if they dont rely on the breezy version of dpkg-dev - whats the changes between the two versions [02:38] <infinity> So, some thought/discussion probably has to go into this. [02:38] <infinity> Do you have both a hoary and a breezy system installed there? [02:39] <Mez> pbuilds :D [02:39] <Mez> I wiped my breezy cause well - I want X hehe and the colony CD broke [02:39] <infinity> If so, type 'dpkg-architecture -l' on both, note the drastic differences, and realise that many (MANY) packages use those variables to determine certain aspects of the build in debian/rules. [02:41] <infinity> In the case of php5, however, I realise that people will want to backport it to both hoary and sarge, so I'll fix debian/rules to work with both the old and new variables. Not a big deal to do so. [02:42] <Mez> cool :D [02:42] <jdub> yo infinity [02:42] <infinity> yo jdub [02:42] <Mez> nice of you to do... though I think we'll need to talk with mdz about backporting dpkg [02:42] <jdub> infinity: pleased to see php5 in my main-only mirror update :-) [02:42] <infinity> Mez : Or about backporting involving actual source editing. One of the two. [02:43] <Mez> infinity, want me to CC: you ? [02:43] <infinity> Mez : Please. [02:43] <infinity> jdub : Not as pleased as I am to see php4 getting removed in that same update. [02:43] <jdub> heh [02:44] <infinity> At least, it should have, unless someone seeded it back in.. [02:44] <infinity> Or, unless it didn't get demoted yet. Either is possible. [02:44] <infinity> Still, yay to the eventual demise of php4 in supported. [02:45] <infinity> Upstream will EOL it before we stop supporting it, and I don't want to become upstream for php4 like I have for php3. [02:50] <Mez> infinity, if you can change the package in breezy to work with both hoary and breezy... [02:51] <Mez> then isnt it possible to do that to the packages we want to backport [02:51] <infinity> mez : My plan is to make sure the breezy/sid sources work with hoary/sarge, yes, but that's not going to happen for every package you want to backport, cause the distro team probably has better things to do with their time. [02:51] <infinity> mez : This one's purly a "personal interest" thing, and I'm doing it on a Sunday night. :) [02:52] <infinity> s/purly/purely/ [02:52] <infinity> mez : (ie: non-paid time) [02:52] <Mez> infinity - the thing is, couldnt say, a backporter go in and modify the package to work in hoary and breezy and then upload? [02:53] <infinity> Mez : If they are in the right keyring, have permission to upload such changes (especially if it's in main), and the changes are obviously not intrusive, sure. [02:53] <infinity> Mez : But they'd need to be well-tested on breezy, because breaking a breezy build for the sake of a hoary backport is very unacceptable. [02:54] <Mez> infinity, I understand that [02:54] <Mez> infinity, what changes do you generally make to make the dpkg-dev sutff work on breezy and hoary [02:54] <infinity> Mez : BTW, can you make your IRC client report your real name in the 'ircname' field in /whois, I really hate not knowing who I'm talking to. [02:55] <Mez> infinity, people IRL call me Mez [02:55] <Mez> hence my real name :D [02:55] <Mez> lol [02:55] <Mez> but I can change it to the one on my Birth Certificte [02:55] <infinity> Mez : Depends. With some packages, you can get away with s/-gnu$// in a few places, with others you need to be more careful.. [02:56] <infinity> Samba, for instance, breaks miserably if you just try to remove the -gnu. [02:56] <infinity> (Note also that i386- changed to i486, and samba has some pre-cached files in debian/* that rely on that named output... [02:56] <Mez> infinity, if only there was an easy way to check which version of dpkg you were working with and use the right rules :D [02:57] <infinity> Mez : There is an easy way, but you still need to know what the "right thing to do" is, based on which dpkg-dev version you're using. [02:58] <infinity> (And that "right thing to do" depends on how the package is using those variables in the first place... Is it feeding them to autoconf; is it comparing against them to set CFLAGS; is it loading cached static files based on the output; ...?) [02:59] <Mez> hmmles.. [02:59] <Mez> and that is most likely behod my (current) comprehension [03:00] <Mez> s/behod/beyond/ [03:01] <infinity> Anyhow, all the ramifications of this can be discussed at length later. [03:01] <infinity> For now, I'll fix php5 for you, so it compiles with no changes on breezy, sid, hoary, and sarge. [03:01] <infinity> No hope for warty or woody, so don't ask. :) [03:02] <infinity> (Well, warty is possible, woody's too much hassle, I just don't care about either, though) [03:02] <HiddenWolf> porting new packages to old apps is counterproductive: users need to upgrade anyhow. [03:05] <Mez> infinity - no probs :D CC'inmg to -backports mailing list too [03:45] <\sh> what was the name of the tool to compile kernel modules from installed sources? [03:46] <infinity> \sh : module-assistant? [03:46] <infinity> \sh : (gcc?) :) [03:46] <\sh> infinity: yep..found it ,-) [03:47] <\sh> lets try the usb quickcam drivers with 2.6.12 ,-) [03:47] <siretart> \sh: it would be great if you could test the breezy version, if you are at it. the merge was nontrivial, but it *should* work [03:49] <\sh> siretart: i just compiled qc-modules [03:49] <siretart> great :) [03:49] <\sh> and I will try it with gnomemeeting ;) [03:49] <\sh> I don't have hoary at all ;) [03:52] <\sh> hmmm... [03:52] <\sh> I installed the module...ok...I installed v4l1-compat ... but gnomemeeting doesn't find anything [03:56] <\sh> no /dev/video [03:56] <\sh> or /dev/video0 [03:58] <infinity> Mez : In the future, when you mail IRC logs to people, can you cut out the non-relevant portions of the conversation, it's a bit hard to follow with people coming in/out, side conversations going on, etc. [04:01] <infinity> Mez : And the new php5 will be uploaded as soon as I have permission to re-seed shtool to main (which is waiting on pitti to review the InclusionReport), but that should be within a day or so. [04:02] <Mez> sorry and ok :d [04:02] <infinity> Mez : But please don't bother attempting to backport it before then, cause the current packages and the new ones won't really like each other very much, making partial upgrades weird (they won't BREAK, but apt-get does funny things on php partial upgrades sometimes...) [04:06] <infinity> Mez : Oh, and one other request you can pass on to MOTU at large... If anyone requests that you build a php5 module for apache1.3, can you just flat-out refuse, and beg them to upgrade to apache2?... We're really trying to get people to switch sometime this decade. ;) [04:07] <infinity> Mez : Feel free to CC me in the response, and I can argue with them, if you'd like. [04:07] <tseng> infinity: dude, libapache2-mod-auth-kerb [04:07] <tseng> infinity: whered it go :P [04:07] <infinity> tseng : Did it disappear? Did it ever exist? [04:07] <tseng> it exists in debian [04:08] <tseng> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/libapache2-mod-auth-kerb [04:08] <infinity> tseng : Not in any Ubuntu release, though. Looks like it never got synced to start with. [04:08] <tseng> ya [04:09] <tseng> but it was uploaded Feb 2004 [04:09] <infinity> tseng : Neat. Well, I'm sure it wouldn't be a drama to shove it into Universe at this point, I'd just ping mdz first, if I were you. [04:10] <tseng> indeed [04:10] <tseng> mdz: can we sync libapache2-mod-auth-kerb? its been in debian for over a year it looks like [04:10] <Mez> infinity, I will do if someone asks for it [04:11] <tseng> mdz: somehow we've not managed to pick it up [04:11] <infinity> mdz : For some reason, it (libapache2-mod-auth-kerb) appears to have never been picked up and synced, looks bug-free, same version is in sarge and sid (stableish source, looks like), and maintained by hartmans, so probably sane. [04:13] <infinity> mdz : Nevermind. It (libaapche2-mod-auth-kerb) is here. One of us is stupid, the other lazy, and we didn't look hard enough. Ignore the previous babble from tseng and I. [04:13] <zul> lol..http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13106 [04:13] <infinity> tseng : Dude, it's in the archive, it's just FTBFS. [04:13] <tseng> infinity: hm since forever? [04:14] <infinity> tseng : people.u.c/~lamont/buildLogs/liba/libapache-mod-auth-kerb/ [04:14] <tseng> boggle [04:15] <infinity> tseng : Either apache-dev is busted (if apache1.3 also currently FTBFS in breezy? If so, I should upload a fixed version), or liba-mod-auth-kerb itself is broken. Pick one. [04:16] <infinity> Ahh, yes, apache1.3 is FTBFS in breezy. I think we have a patch floating around for that. [04:16] <infinity> I'll upload a fix soonish and give-back libapache-* to see if it suddenly unbreaks. [04:17] <tseng> rock on [04:17] <infinity> I thought fabbione Was going to upload a new apache1.3 to sid, but I guess he never got around to it. So, I'll upload, then sync. [04:19] <tseng> "The new mod_proxy_ajp module adds support for the Apache JServ Protocol version 1.3 used by Apache Tomcat." [04:19] <tseng> imagine that [04:20] <tseng> more to beat the mod_jk2 lusers at work over the head with [04:20] <tseng> (yes, they use mod_jk2 in production) [05:15] <mxpxpod> is anyone else having a problem with firefox not respecting the application font? [05:21] <mxpxpod> http://www.reigndropsfall.net/images/firefox-font-problem.png [05:30] <Amaranth> mxpxpod: I think I'm seeing something like that. [05:30] <mxpxpod> Amaranth: know what would be causing it? [05:30] <Amaranth> The fonts on at least gmail are different now, couldn't figure out why. [05:30] <Amaranth> Nope. [05:31] <mxpxpod> well, it's like all of firefox isn't respecting either the dpi or the gnome application font [05:31] <mxpxpod> if you notice, the fonts for the menubar and bookmarks are huge as well [05:32] <Amaranth> hmm [05:32] <Amaranth> *shrug* [05:32] <Amaranth> I don't change the default fonts. [05:33] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: hey, what do you think of http://dev.realistanew.com/icon_example.png ? [05:34] <AndyFitz> Amaranth: g'day, ooOOo I like it ! want an icon for smeg ? [05:34] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: please :) [05:34] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: something like that, but not sucky :) [05:35] <Amaranth> or i can use that for the about and something else for the menus and etc [05:35] <AndyFitz> I don't like the ofice or accessories icons lol they will be changed :-) [05:35] <Amaranth> aye, 22x22 [05:35] <Amaranth> need something scalable otherwise smeg makes them look like ass :) [05:42] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: Do you know if inkscape embeds images into the svg when you save? [05:42] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: or does it still point to their path on the filesystem? [05:42] <AndyFitz> Amaranth: no it doesn't. [05:43] <Amaranth> err [05:43] <Amaranth> which does it do? [05:43] <AndyFitz> it still uses the relative path [05:43] <Amaranth> damnit [05:44] <Amaranth> that means this svg only works on my computer [05:46] <AndyFitz> its no hassle to tar ;) [05:46] <AndyFitz> as a rule I usually keep all linked images in the same dir as my svg or sla ( if I'm using scribus ) [05:47] <Amaranth> well, in order for this to work correctly i need to ship it with humility and have humility installed exactly where it is right now on my computer [05:48] <Amaranth> it should really embed a base64 encoded version of the image in as the src [05:53] <AndyFitz> Amaranth. it is capable of reading svg files with embedded images [05:53] <Amaranth> i just have to do the embedding myself? [06:05] <LinuxJones> Anybody have a rough idea of the number of downloads of Hoary from the Ubuntu servers ? [06:42] <zyga> LinuxJones: there is a stat page IIRC [06:44] <LinuxJones> zyga, ok thanks, just doing some research for a project I am working on [07:11] <Amaranth> ack [07:12] <Amaranth> inkscape can load b64 encoded images from href attributes, librsvg can't [07:13] <Amaranth> oh, inkscape is using a different attribute, it doesn't work either :/ [07:42] <CarlFK> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current - no i386 [07:43] <CarlFK> guessing it is being built? [07:43] <CarlFK> kinda looking for an ETA [07:44] <Amaranth> CarlFK: Next month. [07:44] <CarlFK> cute [07:44] <CarlFK> what time zone? ;) [07:45] <Amaranth> It doesn't build because of a bad dependency between some language packs and openoffice2 [07:45] <Amaranth> oh, powerpc builds now [07:45] <CarlFK> ah - so it is a known problem and may be a while. all I needed to know [07:46] <Amaranth> yeah [07:46] <CarlFK> is there any sort of schedule for dayily builds, or is it whenever someone feels like it? [07:46] <Amaranth> from the look of it they go out at 9am GMT [07:48] <CarlFK> well, that might be the last time someone felt like it [07:48] <CarlFK> I suppose I could watch for a week [07:48] <Amaranth> it's automated [07:48] <CarlFK> ah [07:49] <Amaranth> and i don't think there are any logs generated on why it fails either [07:49] <Amaranth> at least not that everyone can see [07:50] <CarlFK> so if I do an rsync each day at 11, good chance I will be current [07:50] <Amaranth> yeah [07:52] <CarlFK> 5am for me - good timing [08:26] <yccheok> in linux, pthread_setschedpara - higher number means lower priority or higher? [09:55] <Keybuk> meh, everyone's being sensible and offline on Sunday [09:55] <jdub> morning Keybuk [09:55] <Keybuk> jaaaayyyy-dub [09:56] <Keybuk> so I was thinking about hacking "removable-disk media player" support into Rhythmbox, and wanted to bug seb or pitti about the HAL/g-v-m/pmount stuff [09:56] <Keybuk> basically want Rhythmbox to treat any removable disk as a separate library, so if you start it without your iAudio plugged in, it just disables the library rather than clearing it out [09:57] <siretart> sounds great! [10:00] <kent> Keybuk they have that in some development branch of rhythmbox now right?I thought I read about something like that before.. [10:01] <Keybuk> might have to hunt for that [10:02] <Keybuk> I know there's iPod support in main, but didn't know whether they'd done generic removable [10:03] <kent> Keybuk as fare as I know, and thats not much, they have a lot of branches of the development of rhythmbox, and I am fairly sure I have read about something like this before.. But dont trust me, Im not an expert. [10:03] <Keybuk> I figure we'll need HAL-based automounting first though [10:12] <sivang> rehi all [10:14] <sivang> been working from three different computers this week [10:14] <Lathiat> heh [10:15] <sivang> Lathiat: what suck is, that the net connection form here is not that good :) [10:15] <sivang> Lathiat: so I'm waiting a bit longer then I am used ot [10:16] <Lathiat> heh how "good" [10:16] <sivang> Lathiat: lets check [10:16] <sivang> bah, the irc latency is killing me [10:16] <sivang> about 750kbs downstream, 96upstream [10:19] <Lathiat> sivang: heh [10:23] <sivang> Lathiat: yeah. that's as poor as can be :) [10:24] <Lathiat> well i only have 1500/256 [10:27] <sivang> Lathiat: poor you :) [10:28] <sivang> Lathiat: I don't think there a private household broadband connection that has 256 upstream in whole .IL :) [10:29] <sivang> Lathiat: if you lease a frame relay, maybe [10:31] <Treenaks> (2M/1M ADSL) [10:32] <Lathiat> thatd be nice [10:32] <Treenaks> Lathiat: come to .nl :) [10:32] <Lathiat> heh [10:32] <Lathiat> i can get 8M/1M [10:33] <Lathiat> but i'd pay a fortune for it [10:33] <Lathiat> and get limited quota and no quota-free 'WAIX' (most ISPs in my city) [10:33] <Lathiat> tho i only have 10GB peak and 10GB off-peak (12am-7am) now, but i get unlimited to WAIX [10:34] <Lathiat> and there are all sorts of mirrors on waix esp for linux stuff etc so its handy [10:37] <pitti> Good evening, ladys, gents, hackers, aliens, etc. [10:38] <Lathiat> hey pitti [10:38] <Lathiat> pitti: sooo... when will hotplugging printers work like g-v-m-properties thinks it will? :) [10:38] <pitti> we recently found a guy who wanted to give printing some love [10:38] <pitti> let's hope :-) [10:40] <Lathiat> cool :) [10:43] <Burgundavia> is this useful to anyone? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QAtesting [10:47] <zul> hey pitti [10:47] <pitti> Hi zul [11:01] <zyga> Lathiat: what's WAIX? [11:01] <zyga> pitti: hello :) [11:04] <concept10> Any GNOME hackers here [11:06] <|quad|> is there a bug with breezy and xorg and detecting keyboards? [11:07] <pitti> doko: is hsqldb really necessary for OO.o2? supporting yet another database with a 2 year old vuln that has not been properly handled (as it seems) makes me nervous [11:08] <pitti> doko: can hsqldb support be disabled? [11:13] <robitaille> smurfix: ping [11:13] <smurfix> ? [11:13] <robitaille> smurfix: would it be possible for your logging bot to start logging #ubuntu-bugs ? [11:14] <robitaille> it's probably the only ubuntu channel not in any logs [11:14] <doko> pitti: which format should ooo2-base use then? [11:14] <smurfix> robitaille: sure, can do [11:14] <pitti> doko: you requested only the java interface, not the server package itself? [11:14] <robitaille> smurfix: thanks [11:15] <pitti> doko: so if OO.o2 actually uses hsqldb for storing its data files, why it doesn't need the server? [11:16] <doko> pitti: yes, only libhsqldb-java, not all binaries [11:16] <pitti> doko: I thought it would provide only yet another driver for connecting to a database [11:16] <lamont> and could breezy+1 or so _please_ split oo.o2 into more edible-size chunks? [11:16] <lamont> (source that is) [11:16] <pitti> doko: that would still pull the source package into main, which makes it a gray zone... [11:16] <doko> lamont: we will duplicate the source for breezy [11:17] <pitti> doko: so what is it required for? [11:17] <doko> pitti: oo2-base is an Access clone [11:17] <doko> base == database [11:17] <pitti> right [11:18] <pitti> doko: so without the package, ooo2-base couldn't connect to hsqldb databases? would that really hurt? [11:18] <doko> pitti: so, which database should it connect as an alternative? [11:19] <pitti> doko: what's the current default? [11:19] <pitti> I mean, if it tries to use hsqldb by default, that'd be wrong anyway since we don't support the server, right? [11:19] <pitti> (I don't really have a clue about ooo2-base...) [11:20] <doko> pitti: it doesn't need any server
 pitti: so, which database should it connect as an alternative? <- if it doesn't need one??? [11:21] <doko> s/any server/any hsqldb server/ [11:22] <doko> pitti: just create a new database/file/whatever using oo2-base [11:22] <pitti> we support mysql and postgresql ATM, with mysql currently being the more popular, I guess [11:25] <doko> pitti: so the server is installed by default, and the user can create database files, copy them and them to a friend? [11:25] <doko> s/and/and send/ [11:25] <Mez> how "unbroken" is X ? [11:26] <Amaranth> Not at all. [11:29] <Burgundavia> pitti, you are one of the leads on the ia64 port, no? [11:29] <niran> Amaranth, for the smeg about box, s/complient/compliant [11:29] <pitti> Burgundavia: no, I don't have such a machine [11:29] <Amaranth> niran: I know. [11:30] <niran> oh, ok [11:30] <Amaranth> niran: About 20 people have told me that in 2 days. [11:30] <Burgundavia> pitti, who is? [11:30] <niran> ha. [11:30] <pitti> Burgundavia: no idea... [11:31] <Burgundavia> pitti, ok [11:32] <pitti> night everybody [11:33] <Amaranth> night pitti [11:34] <robitaille> Burgundavia: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4696 it's old, but there is someone name in that thread (Thibaut Varene) [11:34] <Burgundavia> robitaille, it is lamont who does it [11:35] <Burgundavia> just remembered [11:36] <robitaille> Burgundavia: maybe the wiki page should have a contact name (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IA64PortStatus) [11:37] <Burgundavia> that was the page I was just looking at [11:38] <lamont> robitaille: current breezy/ia64 status is that kernels < 2.6.12-6.7 (and > 2.6.10) all fail to boot, very early. [11:38] <lamont> that will be fixed in -6.7 [11:39] <lamont> the hoary install CD that we cut works just fine, if you don't mind one trip to an editor [11:44] <lamont> this is just awesome... how do I log out of the wiki, I wonder.... [11:46] <lamont> mdz/some wiki God... please merge LamontJones and LamontJones2. kthxbye [11:46] <lamont> oh, and use LaMontJones2's auth info, please [11:47] <tseng> lamont: you can logout on UserPreferences [11:47] <lamont> yeah - found that part [11:47] <tseng> lamont: which is likely linked right under search [12:04] <concept10> will GNOME 2.12 be in the breezy release? [12:06] <HiddenWolf> concept10: yes [12:06] <concept10> HiddenWolf, thanks. [12:06] <HiddenWolf> Ubuntu releases on the same day as gnome, every single time. [12:06] <Burgundavia> HiddenWolf, no [12:06] <Burgundavia> we release a month later than .12 [12:06] <HiddenWolf> Burgundavia: oh, is it? :P [12:07] <HiddenWolf> What's the marketing value in that? :P [12:07] <Burgundavia> .12 is sept 7th, we are Oct 13 [12:07] <Burgundavia> we have been the first to release the new gnome

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.120919

2005-08-05-#launchpad

[11:20] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.5: new build (patch-66) [11:20] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.5: Switch now use update when used inside a version with --two-way. Use current branch when called without argument. (patch-52: Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr) [06:34] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.5: new build (patch-67) [06:35] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.5: Fixes and optimizations for rbrowse and revision lists (patch-53: Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr) [10:55] <dilys> New Malone bug 1622 filed on Malone by Daniel Robitaille: external bug tracker page doesn't use correct URLs to the Debian BTS [10:55] <dilys> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1622 [11:03] <dilys> New Malone bug 1623 filed on Malone by Daniel Robitaille: external bug tracker page only shows 10 latest watches [11:03] <dilys> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1623 [11:20] <dilys> New Malone bug 1624 filed on Malone by Daniel Robitaille: wishlist: to add status of Malone bug in bugtrackers summary page [11:20] <dilys> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1624

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.128313

2005-08-05-#kubuntu

[12:18] <_StarScream> QMario: hang on..still looking [12:19] <_StarScream> QMario: i know XGI "were" meant to be making linux open source drivers...whether they "have" yet or not is another thing. [12:20] <_StarScream> QMario: http://www.xgitech.com/sd/sd_download.asp [12:20] <_StarScream> apparently it has drivers for RH and Suse, they shoudl work [12:21] <gdh> just pop it into /usr/X11/lib/modules/drivers yeh? [12:22] <gdh> *X11R6 [12:25] <QMario> Hold on, I am sharing one Ethernet cable. I will be off the internet periodically. Thank You for helping me. :) [12:43] <QMario> (17:41:48) QMario: Where do I find my downloaded files? [12:44] <QMario> I clicked download several times, but could not find the files. Where do I find them? [12:45] <lscd> what are you using to download them, firefox? [12:46] <QMario> Konqueror.. [12:46] <lscd> ok... did you get a dialog box asking where you wanted to save stuff? [12:47] <QMario> Wait, hold on. Let me try again.... :/ [12:47] <QMario> :-/ [12:47] <lscd> QMario: if you remember part of the filename, you can do the following command, in a konsole: find ~ -iname '*the-thing-i-remember*' [12:51] <gdh> I had a quick look at that site, and selecing Volare V3 -> Linux Red Hat -> OK just brought back the download screen again [12:51] <gdh> even with cookies accepted for that site [12:52] <gdh> another example of clueless web developers [12:52] <lscd> hmm [12:52] <lscd> url? [12:52] <gdh> see earlier :) [12:52] <gdh> [23:20] <_StarScream> QMario: http://www.xgitech.com/sd/sd_download.asp [12:52] <lscd> ahhhh [12:53] <lscd> it works in firefox, fwiw [12:53] <gdh> sounds about right. [01:01] <Sgeo> Hi all [01:01] <Sgeo> If I download Kubuntu Live from the main site, will it have KDE 3.4.2? [01:01] <Sgeo> (Just double-checking) [01:02] <gdh> Sgeo: If you didn't download it from the URL in the topic, then no, it won't [01:02] <QMario> Okay. [01:03] <Sgeo> ty [01:03] <Sgeo> Does Kubuntu Live have X-Chat? [01:04] <gdh> I doubt it [01:04] <gdh> likely has Konversation tho' [01:04] <Sgeo> ty [01:06] <Sgeo> Hi paulo [01:06] <paulo> hi. Does anyone know how to export geo data from kaddressbook to the kworldclock? [01:06] <paulo> hi Sgeo [01:07] <paulo> you have a suitable name, can you answer my question? [01:07] <gdh> haha :) [01:07] <moparfan90> hello [01:08] <paulo> hello [01:09] <Sgeo> Are the programs on Kubuntu Live the same as the programs in an installed version? [01:10] <paulo> I have no idea [01:11] <moparfan90> i think. [01:12] <delltony> if you update the repositories and then do apt-get on the program then no they will be the lastest greatest but otherwise ya [01:14] <paulo> what are files with a .desktop extension. Can I do something with them? [01:16] <Aapzak> hey Key! Bought a rt2500 based card today, using it right now, I'm happy. It connects a lot faster and better than the otherone too. It changes speed if the signal is not good enough, really really good [01:16] <Aapzak> kay: [01:17] <_P_> Aapzak: yep :) [01:17] <delltony> they are what the menus are made from it tells what category say internet and the name of it and the icon and all paulo [01:17] <Aapzak> you got a rt2500 too? [01:20] <QMario> Which part of the file should I put in the '/usr/X11/lib/modules/drivers' directory? [01:20] <paulo> delltony: Thanks [01:20] <gdh> QMario: anything called "<something>_drv.so" [01:21] <QMario> Gdh, should I extract anything? [01:21] <gdh> I have no idea whatsoever. [01:21] <delltony> extract from a file or what? [01:21] <kay> Aapzak good news :) [01:21] <gdh> no idea what you have - never seen it before, nor do I know if you can use modules compiled for XFree86 with Xorg... [01:21] <QMario> Yes, for drivers. [01:22] <delltony> did you download like a tarball o something? [01:23] <delltony> and your wanting to extract the files? [01:23] <QMario> Delltony, an RPM in a .tgz file. [01:24] <delltony> so have you tar xvzf'd the thing first? [01:24] <nikkia> delltony, .desktop files can do more than that, they are also how the KDE equivalent of the 'startup' folder is implemented [01:24] <delltony> yeah i was just giving that example [01:27] <Aapzak> ok, thatsit for today, I'm off to bed, cu l8r! [01:27] <kay> nikkia: With sessions I get that too, not? [01:27] <nikkia> kay ? [01:28] <kay> Well, why do I need autorun, when logging in automatically starts everything that was running when i logged out [01:28] <kay> I kind of achieve the same effect for kontact that if it was autostart'ed [01:28] <nikkia> kay, because auto-start'ed apps are started regardless of whether they were running at the time the session snapshot was taken [01:28] <delltony> this freakin sucks my visual studios disk has a spot on it [01:28] <delltony> like it melted or something [01:28] <Sgeo_2> Visual Studio? [01:29] <kay> Well, but I imagine for most people this is the same effekt, and that explains why it is not so well known [01:29] <kay> People can keep things started by keeping it running always [01:29] <nikkia> kay, some things run once and exit [01:30] <nikkia> like my xmodmap that is run from /usr/share/autostart [01:30] <delltony> yeah i gotta write some microcrap code in good of cough cough vb [01:30] <kay> Well, I don't have that kind of need [01:30] <kay> And I guess not all people have. :p [01:30] <nikkia> kay, and given that autostart and sessions are handled by *exactly the same process*... [01:31] <kay> I am not saying it were useless, just it has a lot less uses than in a system with no session management [01:31] <nikkia> kay, i see questions about 'how to run something at startup' all the time, and it almost always ends up in a suggestion to use .xinitrc, which sadly isn't universally executed by KDE [01:32] <kay> Hm... there is also a user autostart folder, isn't there? [01:32] <nikkia> not that i can see :/ [01:32] <nikkia> should be, IMO [01:32] <kay> I think in the company we use it for a product [01:33] <kay> .kde/share/autostart exists on my breezy [01:33] <kay> You don't need root for that [01:33] <QMario> Gdh, how will I know when the driver works? [01:33] <QMario> Should I restart my computer? [01:33] <Sgeo_2> Does the Kubuntu Installer have KDE 3.4.2? [01:33] <QMario> Yes. [01:33] <gdh> QMario: we're really poking in the dark here... what have you done so far? [01:34] <gdh> Sgeo: no, Kubuntu hoary has KDE 3.4.0 [01:34] <gdh> Sgeo: as mentioned previously, 3.4.2 is only on the CD in the IRC /topic [01:34] <kay> But you can installer 3.4.2 later on, as you see in topic, Sgeo_2 [01:34] <Sgeo_2> ty [01:34] <boga> what do I do at installation so that by the end of it, my system has beautiful fonts? [01:35] <gdh> Breezy is released in October - it will support the current KDE version [01:35] <kay> When was 3.5 to be out? [01:36] <nikkia> kay, ah, its configurable, defaults to ~/.kde/Autostart on standard KDE sources [01:36] <nikkia> kay, in the 'Paths' section of kcontrol [01:36] <kay> End of october the KDE 3.5 release may happen. So Breezy may not have the latest KDE in it [01:36] <kay> At the time of its release that is [01:37] <gdh> well yes tehre needs to be some time for testing :) [01:38] <kay> nikkia: Ah... well, making everything configurable is not always making it nicer. [01:38] <kay> Maybe home:/ gains an autostart subfolder? [01:38] <nikkia> kay, actually, thats one path where i can see it being useful to be configurable [01:38] <nikkia> kay, as you can easily switch between different autostart folders to test [01:39] <kay> nikkia: Ah, didn't think of that [01:39] <kay> It's just, well, if I were a script, how would I know? [01:39] <nikkia> there are only a handful of (post-install) KDE paths that are configurable, and most of them seem to make sense [01:40] <nikkia> kay, its probably set in an environment variable, knowing the KDE people :) [01:40] <kay> No, there is kde-config [01:40] <kay> Which you can query kde-config --userpath autostart [01:41] <nikkia> kay, so there is [01:41] <kay> Or desktop and so on, well OK..... making things even readable. [01:41] <kay> That's great then... [01:42] <kay> Do you know when it is run? [01:42] <nikkia> kay, and --localprefix for the user's kde path [01:42] <kay> Before or after session? [01:42] <nikkia> kay, autostart? its run BY ksmserver [01:42] <kay> well, if i have a session and autostart, which runs first? [01:43] <nikkia> don't know what the sequence is inside ksmserver, let me check [01:48] <paulo> so if I have a file called geo_xxport.desktop can I do something with it? [01:48] <paulo> What I want to do is export the kaddressbook's geo data to the world clock, but I can't find any script, or executable [01:49] <nikkia> paulo, the .desktop file is a script, sort of [01:54] <paulo> oh, I found it, it's in the File menu [01:54] <nikkia> kay, i can't actually see in the ksmserver sources where autostart is involked at all [01:58] <nikkia> kay, a web search suggests that its configurable per .desktop file thought, but i don't see anything about 'how' [02:02] <Sgeo> re all [02:02] <Sgeo> The new LiveCD doesn't work for me [02:03] <boga> did u burn it yrself? [02:03] <Sgeo> Near the end of startup, it talks about things spawning too fast [02:03] <Sgeo> Yes [02:04] <boga> disable acpi [02:04] <Sgeo> How? [02:05] <boga> u should be having some way of entering parametres at boot. But I have forgotten the syntax....read the boot options carefully [02:05] <Sgeo> acpi? [02:05] <gdh> the kernel param is 'noacpi' [02:05] <Sgeo> ty [02:07] <Sgeo> I never needed to do that with other LiveCD's though [02:08] <boga> that's why we have distros. they are different. is it OK now? [02:08] <boga> ? [02:09] <boga> k [02:23] <_jeff> is there update manager applet for kubuntu (kde)? I want to be notified whenever package updates are available. [02:23] <gdh> no. one is planned for the next release. [02:23] <gdh> (october) [02:23] <_jeff> okee dokee then [02:24] <gdh> 5.04 was the first spin of kubuntu, so there's plenty of room for improvement :) [02:26] <QMario> Gdh, sorry I have not answered in a while. I just copied the driver file from the the package to the driver directory. [02:27] <gdh> QMario: 'driver' being some file named like (blah)_drv.so ? [02:29] <QMario> Gdh, yes. [02:29] <QMario> Trident_drv.so. [02:29] <QMario> 'trident_drv.so' [02:29] <gdh> it just uses the trident driver? gosh. [02:30] <gdh> there should've been one of those already... [02:30] <gdh> in that case you should be good to just reboot and it'll try the new driver. [02:30] <gdh> IF it fails and X won't load.... [02:30] <gdh> make a note of this.... [02:30] <gdh> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf [02:30] <MikeEnIke> Hey [02:31] <gdh> find the line that says "driver "trident"" and replace with driver "vesa" then reboot again.. [02:31] <gdh> that will at least get you back to a usable desktop [02:31] <gdh> vesa is a very simple and generic VGA driver that works with everything. [02:32] <gdh> no acceleration , but it willget you a picture :) [02:33] <QMario> What does acceleration mean in terms of a video card? [02:34] <MikeEnIke> Does anyone know like a tutorial where I can learn linux and it's commands and stuff I only know basic stuff as I am soon to install kubuntu and it will be my first time installing linux [02:35] <QMario> Gdh, the picture is still skewed... :-/ [02:36] <QMario> Is it possible to install using the manufacturer's CD? [02:36] <gdh> heh no :) that only has Windows drivers. [02:36] <gdh> You can try using the 'vesa' driver, just out of interest... [02:36] <QMario> Will it give me a good picture? [02:36] <gdh> if it doesn't .. just change it back :) [02:37] <gdh> no harm in trying [02:38] <Sgeo> re all [02:38] <Sgeo> It still doesn't work [02:40] <Sgeo> hi kalenedrael [02:40] <QMario> The driver already has vesa. [02:40] <QMario> Gdh, so should I change it? [02:40] <kalenedrael> hello [02:41] <gdh> QMario: if you've not changed it before.... you should try changing it to 'trident' ... [02:41] <QMario> Okay! [02:41] <gdh> I dunno what you mean by 'skewed' really.... it's not something you can adjust [02:41] <gdh> using the controls on your monitor? [02:48] <QMario> Gdh, how do I know when X Windows refuses to start? [02:49] <gdh> you don't get a graphical login screen :) [02:49] <gdh> a fairly simple test :) [02:50] <QMario> Well, that's happening to me, and it hurts to my ears why my video card doesn't work with Linux. :( I guess I have to change it back to vesa. [02:52] <TestMAD> what kind of video card you got? [02:53] <gdh> [23:08] <QMario> Volari V3 [02:53] <gdh> a gfx chip I'd never heard of before tonight [02:55] <TestMAD> its made by chaintec [02:55] <TestMAD> and its a decent card for 50$ [02:55] <QMario> $32.50 :) [02:56] <TestMAD> sweet..i bet it would werk great for a mythtv box [02:56] <TestMAD> lemme see if i can find any help on that drivre for you [02:56] <TestMAD> thats more than likely the issue.. [02:57] <TestMAD> as with nvidia cards.. [02:57] <TestMAD> the drivers arent included with the distro [02:57] <TestMAD> so youre going to have to find some and compile them. [02:58] <gdh> TestMAD: for ref, so far we found a driver for redhat at http://www.xgitech.com/sd/sd_download.asp ... found a trident_drv.so inside that .. and replaced the default trident_drv.so with it. [02:58] <gdh> and no joy [02:58] <gdh> I've not gone as far as looking at xorg logs :) [02:58] <gdh> just 'works' or 'not works' :) [02:59] <TestMAD> QMario: its and xga card right? [02:59] <moparfan90> hello. does anyone here use fluxbox? [02:59] <QMario> XGA? [02:59] <QMario> TestMAD, huh? [02:59] <TestMAD> its xga [02:59] <TestMAD> slv3 [03:00] <QMario> TestMAD, here is some of the information on the video card: http://www.chaintechusa.com/tw/eng/product_spec.asp?MPSNo=14&PISNo=308 . [03:01] <TestMAD> did you try the suse rpm driver too? [03:02] <TestMAD> would there be a difference between it and the redhat version? [03:03] <TestMAD> i may have found some drivers] [03:03] <TestMAD> 3rd party tho [03:03] <QMario> No, I just tried the Redhat driver from the 32-bit folder. [03:03] <QMario> I'm desperate for anything that works. [03:03] <TestMAD> http://www.xgitech.com/sd/sd_download2.asp [03:04] <TestMAD> try that link [03:05] <TestMAD> QMario: youre gonna want this one - Z7-Linux-Xorg-6.8.2 for i386 [03:06] <TestMAD> it only does 2d tho..no 3d [03:06] <TestMAD> but itll get x running [03:07] <TestMAD> QMario: als otry this site for support for drivers and install tips [03:07] <TestMAD> http://www.volarigamers.com/ [03:07] <TestMAD> they may have better drivers [03:08] <TestMAD> but from what ive read already..it seems that xgi drivers and most linux kernels dont get along too well [03:08] <QMario> Okay, thank you. Let me see if it works. :) [03:08] <gdh> messy... converying that rpm to a deb with alien produces the driver in /usr/X11R6/tmp/ [03:09] <TestMAD> i think i got him fixed up gdh [03:09] <gdh> cool. [03:09] <TestMAD> read back.. [03:09] <TestMAD> i found 2 sites for his card to look at..one is a link to drivers [03:09] <gdh> am referring to the xorg 6.8.2 i386 one :) [03:09] <TestMAD> only 2d tho [03:09] <TestMAD> ahh [03:09] <TestMAD> and the other is a site dedicated to the volari [03:10] <gdh> xgi are a new player in the gfxcard market then? [03:10] <TestMAD> but like i said..great card for MSMC but not for linux [03:10] <gdh> decided that ati + nvidia have been having too much fun ? [03:10] <TestMAD> no..its a type of vid [03:10] <TestMAD> as in .. ega..cga..vga...svga..xga [03:11] <satch_> hi all - im having problems using debootstrap - it craps out because it cant download base-passwd - any workaround for this ? [03:11] <gdh> er, you sure? http://www.xgitech.com/ [03:11] <TestMAD> yea [03:11] <TestMAD> im sure [03:11] <TestMAD> wait [03:11] <TestMAD> n/m [03:11] <TestMAD> thats xgi [03:11] <TestMAD> i was thinkin xga
 :) [03:12] <gdh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XGA [03:12] <gdh> old old stuff 1990 :) [03:12] <gdh> 'XGA' still used by wankers like Dell to describe stuff... usually notebook screens [03:12] <QMario> Should I do any converting with the driver? [03:13] <TestMAD> i dunno..ask gdh on that [03:13] <TestMAD> i gotta eat [03:13] <QMario> Converting packages. [03:13] <TestMAD> bbl [03:13] <gdh> lol [03:13] <QMario> Oh okay, thank you for your help. :) [03:13] <gdh> QMario: it really is the blind leading the blind here.. :/ [03:13] <gdh> I've only the faintest notion of how any of this works :) [03:14] <Sgeo> BBL. Restarting under Gentoo Linux [03:20] <gdh> QMario: I'm outta ideas.. http://www.webspawner.com/users/dell5160/ says to do basically waht you did - use the V3 driver and just replace the trident_drv.so driver... [03:20] <gdh> I mean, you can try using the 'Videoram 32768' line in the 'device' section.. but that's a really long shot :/ [03:22] <gdh> of course, those are for XFree 4.3.0 (which ships with Debian sarge) while Kubuntu uses xorg 6.8.2.... [03:29] <QMario> Gdh, let me try the website. Thank you for the tip. :) [03:35] <otep[braindead] > ei peeps just a quick question: what package are you using for CD burning? [03:36] <gdh> Nero, mostly ;) [03:37] <gdh> mind, there is a Nero for Linux now... although i'd try K3b first [03:38] <aseigo> nero for linux sucks ass [03:38] <gdh> aseigo: Amen :) [03:38] <gdh> I did look at it briefly.. GTK1.x loveliness [03:38] <aseigo> yes, and a poor user interface at that [03:39] <gdh> its stength is all is integrated, no reliance on cdrecord and parsing text output, etc. [03:54] <gdh> Are there any German speakers in the house tonight? :) [03:56] <scythe> hello all [04:04] <QMario> Gdh, what is the problem when the monitor suddenly turns off? [04:05] <QMario> When trying to load X. [04:05] <gdh> Usually X has exceeded the capabilities of your monitor [04:06] <gdh> too high a resolution / too high refresh rate [04:06] <gdh> .... [04:06] <gdh> or just the driver is wildly incompatible :) [04:16] <QMario> Besides 'vesa', is there a substitute driver for my video card? [04:16] <QMario> It doesn't seem to be working. [04:17] <gdh> I'm the wrong person to ask, really :) [04:17] <gdh> and everyone else has fallen asleep ... [04:18] <QMario> Do you mean passed away(died) or literally fallen asleep? :) [04:21] <gdh> ;) [04:21] <gdh> who knows? [04:30] <necrogami> node crash? [04:35] <scythe> how do i get k3b to decode and read my dvds? [04:36] <gdh> my best understanding is that k3b doesn't do that. [04:36] <gdh> and I have no idea what does :) [04:37] <scythe> it can, and i think it has to do with transcode... but i cant seem to get enough info from the help files [04:37] <necrogami> scythe: movies? Xine [04:37] <scythe> no, not for watching, i have xine, xineui, and libdvdcss installed already [04:37] <necrogami> scythe: movies apt-get install xine xine-ui [04:37] <gdh> then you're already more clued up than I am on the matter :) [04:37] <necrogami> Data dvd's? [04:37] <scythe> there is a way to decode dvds with k3b [04:37] <scythe> movies [04:38] <scythe> brb [04:38] <necrogami> ---------------- [04:39] <necrogami> +------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------....................................................................................----------+ [04:39] <necrogami> -----+ [04:39] <necrogami> ---- [04:39] <scythe> check chapter 3 of the help file [04:39] <necrogami> +---------------------------------------------- [04:39] <necrogami> ++++++++++++++ [04:39] <scythe> i cant seem to find transcode [04:39] <necrogami> sorry [04:39] <necrogami> was cleaning the bottom of my keyboard of sticky shit [04:39] <scythe> np [04:40] <gdh> http://k3b.plainblack.com/videoencoding ? [04:40] <scythe> brb cat /etc/beer |more [04:40] <gdh> (3rd google hit for k3b dvd rip) [04:40] <scythe> ahh, i was trying to go through the help menu, thanx for the link gdh [04:44] <scythe> dang, i am getting a 403 error for the transcode website [04:44] <scythe> doh! [04:45] <scythe> and i cant find dvd::rip [04:46] <scythe> anyone have any suggestions, i travel a lot and dont want to take the original dvd's with me [04:46] <gdh> not on cpan? [04:47] <scythe> cpan? [04:47] <gdh> http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/ [04:47] <gdh> ? [04:47] <scythe> do you have all of these url's memorized? [04:47] <gdh> come on, work with me here.. i used google for "dvd::rip" and that was the first hit... [04:50] <scythe> sorry, have a six pack in me, not thinking too well [04:50] <gdh> esp. http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/doc/install.cipp#debian [04:51] <gdh> have bitter + 4xlager + 2xwhisky in me.. :) [04:51] <scythe> 4 killians [04:51] <QMario> Do any of you guys know if the 'CHAINTECH SLV3-128 Volari V3 128MB DDR AGP 4X/8X Video Card' will work with any Linux distributions? [04:52] <scythe> uhhh.... what is the chipset, nvidia, or ati (hope hope) [04:52] <gdh> scythe: This has been going on all night - it's an XGI 'Volari V3' .. XGI are a newcomer to the gfx market... [04:52] <scythe> ahh [04:53] <scythe> anyone here deal with sony burners very often? [04:53] <gdh> QMario: You really would save yourself a lot of pain by just buying a $30 Radeon 7000 etc. ..... [04:53] <QMario> Gdh, where? [04:53] <scythe> ive had two die very quickly after purchase and am wondering if im am just jinxed [04:54] <gdh> any online shop - the 7000 is one of the early radeons.... [04:54] <gdh> basically buy the cheapest radeon or nvidia card you can find... [04:54] <gdh> because it will be well supported with linux drivers [04:55] <gdh> scythe: don't suppose you were burning PS2 games on it? :) [04:55] <scythe> qmario, you can dl a tar from xgi's website. looks like it has been tested on suse and redhat [04:56] <scythe> no, gdh, i wasnt [04:56] <gdh> scythe: We've been through this :) [04:56] <scythe> i havent burned anything illegal [04:56] <gdh> the tar.gz contains XFree 4.3 drivers, not xorg ones... [04:56] <scythe> ahh [04:56] <gdh> scythe: hehe was just wondering :) [04:57] <gdh> It would just not surprise me if Sony firmware had a self-destruct mechanism [04:57] <gdh> if you were burning playstation games... [04:57] <scythe> well, sony supports ms very well.... i have been buring linux distros with it :) [04:57] <scythe> but its frustrating, i have a dvd -rw that works as well as a dvd rom [04:58] <scythe> and a cdrw that works as well as a cdrom [04:58] <gdh> http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=9298818724&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=58356 [04:58] <gdh> insanity ... 19 for a DVD-RW... [04:58] <scythe> laptop ... and broke [04:58] <scythe> :) [04:59] <gdh> ouch [04:59] <gdh> USB time, then :/ [04:59] <scythe> hehe [04:59] <scythe> have a sony firewire/usb2 burning im going to start using when i get back home [05:00] <gdh> wow, sony support usb thesedays? [05:00] <gdh> I thought they were still being firewire-only pedants [05:00] <scythe> lol.... [05:00] <scythe> i dont think they can ignore it, its part of the specs on every laptop/desktop they sell [05:00] <gdh> the 'cool' name having been undermined rather much by USB2 being 80Mbps faster than 'Fire' wire [05:01] <scythe> cant wait for the firewire 800 to hit laptops soon [05:01] <gdh> great, even more disk space wasted on family videos... [05:01] <scythe> hehe [05:01] <scythe> but you can get it there fast [05:02] <gdh> now.. just need an internet2 connection to keep up... :) [05:02] <gdh> I think it's fabulous that i2 is being used largely for warez :) [05:02] <gdh> there's something just so elegant and wonderful about that =) [05:03] <gdh> anyway it's 4am .. time for bed... nn... [05:04] <scythe> sweet!! ubuntu recognizes my netmd drive [05:42] <delltony> whats going on guys can' sleep here thought id see whats going on in kubuntu land :) [05:45] <esac> im sure this has been asked before, how do i mount a .iso as a cdrom device ? [05:51] <delltony> mount -o loop -t iso9660 nameofiso.iso mountpoint [05:52] <delltony> example mount -o loop -t iso9660 isoofprogramidownloaded.iso /home/me/cdmount [06:00] <esac> once im to the stage where it is selecting and unpacking, do i need to have my system connected to the net anymore ? [06:03] <ricosuave17> how do i enable framebuffer plz [06:03] <aseigo> esac: not strictly, but you will probably want to let it grab the package updates available ... though you can do that at a future point in time [06:04] <ricosuave17> anyone? [06:05] <delltony> anyone screwed like me at times have to use good ol ppp when traveling? if so have you had any luck getting sl-modem to install [06:08] <delltony> i'm pretty sure ricosuave17 its in the xorg.conf file under Section Device then make sure there is an Option "UseFBDev" "true" that was the case with warty but warty ran xf86 [06:09] <ricosuave17> ok ill try. but the wiki doesnt say anything [06:11] <majic> we got any firestarter experts in here? My firewall is working perfectly but with the exception that google.com is being blocked and I have spent 3 hours trying to figure out why and haven't been able to find a solution. When I try to connect to google it is trying to connect back to me at ports in the 33000 range and they are being blocked. [06:21] <ricosuave17> hey [06:21] <ricosuave17> who gave the framebuffer info plz [06:26] <delltony> i said it might work like that did it [06:31] <ricosuave17> i saw my xorg.conf and i didnt see any of that [06:32] <ricosuave17> Section "Device" [06:32] <ricosuave17> Identifier "Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Device" [06:32] <ricosuave17> Driver "i810" [06:32] <ricosuave17> BusID "PCI:0:2:0" [06:39] <delltony> ricosuave17, ok as i said it "might be" where you put it in there aka not sure [06:40] <tdmg> how do I update repositories on Kynaptic? [06:44] <delltony> not sure how to do it on kynaptic but sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list and edit (add/remove) repositories that you want [06:44] <delltony> then type apt-get update to update the repository [06:45] <delltony> then apt-cache search (what your looking for) then apt-get install (name of package) [06:45] <tdmg> yeah [06:45] <tdmg> I'm trying to get Wine [06:45] <tdmg> and that's what they said to do [06:46] <delltony> its easier for me to do it in console [06:46] <delltony> i don't use kynaptics and all that much [06:47] <delltony> dists/hoary-backports/universe/binary-i386/wine_0.0.20050419-1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb its in backports [06:47] <delltony> type apt-cache show wine and see if your filename matchs that [06:49] <delltony> add this to your sources.list file then apt-get update [06:49] <delltony> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [06:49] <delltony> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [06:54] <tdmg> ummmmmm......... [06:54] <tdmg> how do I save the file is the console? [06:55] <tdmg> in* [07:02] <ricosuave17> ok i read the docs and now im worse then b4 i didnt understand anything at all [07:32] <pax> ricosuave17: isnt trolling in #ubuntu enough for ya :D [07:32] <ricosuave17> u should ask some people that know me [07:58] <pow3r> Hola gente, no puedo activar dma hdparm -d1 /dev/hdb [07:59] <pow3r> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted [08:01] <crimsun> SATA? [08:02] <pow3r> tengo 2 sata pero esos lo toma bien [08:02] <crimsun> in ingles, por favor? [08:02] <pow3r> un ide un lector dvd y grabadora dvd en esto me da el error [08:02] <pow3r> sorry [08:03] <pow3r> hdparm -d1 /dev/hdb [08:03] <pow3r> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted [08:04] <crimsun> is /dev/hdb SATA? [08:04] <pow3r> no, DVD [08:05] <crimsun> are you using sudo? [08:05] <pow3r> yes [08:06] <pow3r> /dev/hdc WD1200 IDE [08:06] <pow3r> /dev/hdd DVD-RW [08:06] <pow3r> /dev/sda SATA WD1600 [08:07] <pow3r> /dev/sdb SATA WD2500, its ok [08:07] <pow3r> sda its ok [08:59] <shawn_> I get this error this error http://pastebin.com/325919 when trying to compile K3B... any ideas? [09:59] <Wizzard> hi there [10:00] <malte> hi [10:01] <Wizzard> I need help, how can I set up some program to start with the OS? I want mprime to run on every boot [10:13] <ztonzy> Wizzard: mostly if you have it running while logging out or shutting down system, it usually starts when booting up into KDE [10:13] <ztonzy> because it saves last session [10:14] <Wizzard> yep, but I do not save my session, I want it run independently from Xwindows [10:16] <thoreauputic> Wizzard: man update-rc.d , or use /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh [10:22] <Wizzard> I just have to edit that file and set it executable? [10:53] <nikkia> ztonzy: the kubuntu konqueror seems to crash more than others, dunno why [11:05] <ztonzy> nikkia: hmm yes... [11:06] <nikkia> ztonzy: its most likely some optional feature kde was built with, or without [11:06] <ztonzy> nikkia: I have updated to 3.4.2 as well [11:06] <nikkia> ztonzy: possibly restricted formats related [11:07] <ztonzy> nikkia: ok...I told this in #kde and some said it might go to do with gcc or something [11:08] <nikkia> it could be, it could be lots of things [11:08] <ztonzy> but maybe I am rembering wrong [11:08] <nikkia> ztonzy: when it happens, do you get the crash dialog ? and is it possible to get the crash log on a pastebin ? [11:08] <ztonzy> it is not good advert if kubuntu is supposed to be like in forefront of KDE development-releases [11:09] <ztonzy> nikkia: yes I do, but backtrace doesn't give much info...just some line [11:10] <nikkia> ztonzy: my experience was, it tends to happen 'more' when browsing to a dir that contains .avi files, so i'm tempted to lean towards the meta-info fetching from them, but that wasn't the only place it crashed, it would occasionally crash loading settings:/ [11:11] <ztonzy> nikkia: crashes also when browsing the net [11:12] <nikkia> ztonzy: that's always been 'normal' for me, and firefox crashes enough that i don't consider that unusual, sadly [11:12] <ztonzy> heh [11:13] <ztonzy> funny with Gnome apps when in Ubuntu (gnome) is that a dialuge asks if you want to restart the app...in KDE this isn't [11:13] <nikkia> ztonzy: basically, i expect some crashy behaviour browsing the web, but browsing the local folders is a different story [11:13] <ztonzy> true [11:14] <nikkia> however, my konqueror here, doesn't crash [11:14] <ztonzy> I was told it was crashing more opening Konqueror direct to Home folder...but now it is more than that [11:14] <nikkia> so its not something inherant to KDE/konqueror, its something 'different' about the kubuntu release [11:14] <ztonzy> yes [11:15] <ztonzy> nikkia: I was close to try out SimplyMepis just that I grew tired of these crashes [11:17] <ztonzy> and so aphohy, or how the nick is spelled...told me to try out his help instead haha [11:44] <nikkia> morning kay [11:45] <nikkia> kay, i found where the user autostart is executed, just after you left - its not run by ksmserver at all, but by kdesktop [11:46] <nikkia> kay, which i believe, implies that the user autostart occurs before session recovery, since kdesktop is started by ksmserver from the system autostart, before the user session [11:46] <kay> nikkia: ah.... thanks for digging that up nikkia [11:47] <kay> I am trying to put that to use [11:47] <nikkia> kay, ksmserver does honor a flag in the session stuff that says 'this was auto-started, don't save it' so you'd probably want to set that on all user-autostart items [11:47] <nikkia> i imagine the .desktop files in the system autostart have it set, if you need to see what the flag is [11:47] <kay> You know what annoys me most in my use of KDE now? [11:47] <nikkia> ? [11:47] <kay> My wife is a perfect KDE user [11:48] <kay> The only time she is totally confused and left in the water [11:48] <kay> is when Kontact says is may already be running when it starts [11:48] <nikkia> ah [11:48] <kay> That often happens right after boot with automatic login [11:49] <kay> I am now going to hunt down the lock file and erase it for her on login [11:50] <kay> That's why I wanted to know if it would be early enough to do it there, nikka :) [11:50] <kay> +i [11:50] <nikkia> kay, i see [11:52] <kay> oh and morning too :) [11:53] <nikkia> i wish i knew why beep's mp4 plugin can *sometimes* read the tags, but sometimes not [11:54] <malte> http://expressen.se/index.jsp?a=412252 omg [11:54] <malte> ops [11:54] <malte> wrong channel, nevermind that :) [11:54] <nikkia> kay, actually, the 'auto-started' tag appears to be set by ksmserver/kdestop and thus those apps autostarted don't get saved with the session [11:56] <kay> Cool, that thing is clever [11:56] <EvanMcCone> somebody know as configure 5.1 in kmix? :D [11:56] <kay> But one thing bad about KDE sessions is that you cannot save them when you want [11:56] <nikkia> kay, yeah, you can [11:56] <kay> Really? [11:57] <nikkia> kay, if you disable auto-session saving, it adds a menu item to save the session [11:57] <kay> Oh... uhm, have to look [11:57] <nikkia> kay, it appears just above 'lock session' in the kde menu, iirc [11:58] <nikkia> yep, just set it to 'restore manually saved session' and 'save session' appeared :) [11:58] <kay> But will it still save my session on logout automatically? [11:58] <yahalom> how do i make this command permanent sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd ? [11:58] <nikkia> no [11:59] <nikkia> you have to save the session manually once you disable auto-session-saving [11:59] <kay> The thing is, sometimes, horror, my system/KDE crashes after one week of using it [11:59] <nikkia> kay, i've never been able to decide which i prefer most, leaving auto-save on, but maintaining the 'exclude these apps' list, or using manual session saves [11:59] <kay> I have a tendency to not shutdown at work [12:00] <kay> And keep my TODO list by which windows are still open and where on what desktop [12:00] <nikkia> kay, now i know about the autostart folder stuff, i may even consider dumping the sessions altogether, and just setting up my base session in autostart [12:00] <kay> When I had a web page open, a file open, something, it really needs to open again [12:01] <kay> or else I loose information/time [12:01] <nikkia> kay, you could script it... [12:01] <kay> With DCOP to the ksmserver ? [12:01] <nikkia> kay, have a crontab that sends a dcop to ksmserver to save, every hour [12:01] <kay> That would be perfect, indeed [12:02] <kay> You know how I love autocomplete on Debian's [12:02] <nikkia> 'dcop ksmserver ksmserver saveCurrentSession' should do it [12:02] <yahalom> anybody? [12:02] <kay> dcop is perfectly guiding me to that [12:03] <pakos> yahalom: /etc/hdparm.conf [12:03] <kay> with autocomplete... that's hard to be beaten feature. [12:03] <yahalom> pakos: i added it but it doesnt work :( [12:03] <kay> nikkia: Thank for you the hint, that will make me much more effective :) [12:03] <pakos> yahalom: how did you do it? [12:04] <yahalom> pakos: http://pastebin.com/325960 [12:04] <yahalom> pakos: take a look plz [12:04] <nikkia> yahalom: don't use /dev/dvd in hdparm.conf [12:04] <yahalom> nikkia: what then? [12:04] <nikkia> yahalom: the udev scripts to create the symlinks probably hasn't run at the time hdparm is run at boot [12:05] <nikkia> yahalom: use the actual device node, ie the file that /dev/dvd is symlinked to [12:05] <pakos> correct [12:05] <yahalom> nikkia: where do i see that? [12:05] <nikkia> it'll be /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd or something, just ls -l /dev/dvd and it'll say [12:06] <yahalom> where do i see what device /dev/dvd is? [12:06] <kay> And watch out, enabling DMA on the same channel where a harddisk is [12:06] <nikkia> yahalom: like this: [12:06] <nikkia> nikki@nikki:~$ ls -l /dev/dvd [12:06] <nikkia> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2005-07-30 17:22 /dev/dvd -> hdc [12:06] <kay> If you can, separate the two physically [12:06] <nikkia> kay, umm, HDDs should get DMA enabled by default, anyway [12:06] <yahalom> nikkia: ok its hda [12:06] <nikkia> kay, its only optical drives that aren't DMA'ed by default on [k] ubuntu [12:06] <kay> If they do not, they might have a reason [12:07] <pakos> yahalom: are you sure, thath your dvd is actually hda? [12:07] <kay> hda.... where is your root on? [12:07] <kay> type mount [12:07] <nikkia> pakos: its not inconceivable.... SATA for disks, first PATA channel for optical... [12:07] <yahalom> /dev/hda { [12:07] <yahalom> dma=on [12:07] <yahalom> } [12:07] <yahalom> nikkia: like this: ? [12:07] <yahalom> sorry for the lenght [12:08] <kay> Well, no deal.... but it worries me that you may trouble your system [12:08] <pakos> nikkia: yeah, right :) [12:08] <nikkia> yahalom: yes, that'd be right if hda is your dvd [12:08] <kay> I once corrupted a system, because the DMA was not working due to incorrect jumpering [12:08] <yahalom> kay: same here [12:09] <yahalom> nikkia: do i now it should turn on everytime i reboot? obviously it should be uncommented right? [12:09] <kay> If you can, open the box, and connect the DVD drive to a separate channel. [12:09] <nikkia> yahalom: yes, uncommented, the parameters in hdparm.conf are set at boot time, just before hotplug is loaded, iirc [12:09] <nikkia> kay, if its on hda, i suspect it already is [12:09] <nikkia> kay, most PCs come with the optical drive on its own channel anyway [12:10] <kay> depends on what is hdb :p [12:10] <yahalom> nikkia can u check out my hdparm and see if it makes sense? [12:10] <nikkia> kay, not his root, that's for certain... [12:10] <kay> why? [12:10] <nikkia> kay, as windows, which the machine came with most likely, won't boot from a slave [12:10] <kay> Oh... didn't know that [12:10] <yahalom> nikkia: http://pastebin.com/325966 [12:10] <kay> I guess, I used the swap feature of my BIOS :) [12:11] <kay> For switching between two drives [12:11] <yahalom> nikkia: can u check it out? [12:11] <nikkia> yahalom: looks ok to me [12:11] <yahalom> nikkia: ok let me try [12:11] <yahalom> thanx [12:11] <nikkia> yahalom: do not enable the mult_sect stuff on dvds, they don't seem to like it :) [12:12] <nikkia> kay, basically, if the optical drive is on /dev/hda, i'd wager that the hdds aren't PATA [12:12] <kay> ah... true [12:12] <nikkia> primary master is too bizarre a location for optical drives for anything but a SATA/PATA setup [12:12] <nikkia> (or a badly done 'built it myself' system) [12:13] <nikkia> (or a well dont 'built it myself system' :) [12:13] <kay> I avoided SATA at the time, I have the controller, but I was too uncertain it would boot into Linux [12:13] <kay> Now that works I guess [12:13] <nikkia> my promise card doesn't support boot-from-cd so my optical drives all sit on the motherboard IDE :) [12:14] <nikkia> (not /dev/hda tho, that has a HDD sat on it 'in case of emergency with the promise controller' :) [12:14] <kay> I have that cheap AsRock K8S8 or something [12:14] <kay> Everything on board for like 50 USD... that was good, but they discontinued it [12:15] <nikkia> kay, i'm constantly surprised that people buy a product made by a company whose name sounds like 'ass rock' :) [12:15] <kay> Well, there is somehow ASUS behind it, that is why I did [12:15] <kay> The motherboard even has that ASUS color, just not the prize tag :p [12:15] <nikkia> kay, i thought asus and asrock were totally unconnected other than asrock riding on their name [12:15] <buz> asrock is asus el cheapo line [12:16] <kay> I believe they don't have their own designs [12:16] <buz> i think its their own designs [12:16] <buz> those dual cpu things are utterly weird [12:16] <kay> They buy in from ASUS and make it cheaper [12:16] <kay> (when they can) [12:16] <kay> Yeah, some things are totally trash. [12:16] <buz> mhh i generally buy asus these days [12:16] <buz> not too expensive either [12:16] <buz> and the stuff works [12:17] <kay> I read boards before I buy [12:17] <nikkia> buz, i was put off asus once, but not by their quality [12:17] <kay> And that one got good marks and tests and so I went for it [12:17] <nikkia> it was their reaction to the i820 debacle that annoyed me [12:17] <kay> What was that again? [12:17] <nikkia> but after having 2 badly designed gigabyte boards, i came running back to asus :) [12:17] <buz> nikkia: yeah once got one with fucked up layout [12:18] <nikkia> kay, the i820 was conceptually flawed... [12:18] <buz> definitely not atx spec [12:18] <kay> oh, bad [12:18] <nikkia> kay, intel recalled all the boards, and offered replacements, asus said 'F. U. you bought it, live with it' [12:18] <kay> Well, there is a difference between Intel and ASUS [12:18] <nikkia> kay, every other i820 integrator recalled/replaced [12:18] <nikkia> only asus said 'tough!' [12:18] <nikkia> the i820's memory controller corrupted data to/from RAM [12:19] <kay> Intel in the first place is much bigger and willing to take the hit, whereas ASUS had to buy from Intel to sell it to you [12:19] <buz> asus could have sued intel for damages [12:19] <nikkia> kay, as i said, everyone else using i820 recalled and replaced [12:19] <kay> That's why I buy only cheap working stuff :p [12:19] <nikkia> and i believe intel had a OEM policy to offer replacement boards [12:19] <kay> If you invest 200 USD, it hurts to change your board [12:20] <kay> If you invested 50 USD, you can try 4 more. [12:20] <nikkia> kay, thats why i gave up paying for on-board SCSI [12:20] <kay> And I don't need too much performance these days [12:20] <nikkia> it always worked fine, but each time i did an upgrade, $300-400 for the motherboard was too bad [12:20] <kay> Well, I left that SCSI train long ago, when IDE turned out to be so compelling cheaper [12:21] <kay> Exactly... [12:21] <nikkia> i gave up SCSI when it became painfully apparent that the SCSI CDROM market was dead [12:21] <kay> Also, I look at what integrators do [12:21] <nikkia> ie, when the fastest IDE CD burner was 40x, and the fastest SCSI CD burner was 8x :) [12:22] <kay> Here in Germany we have quite a few companies that sell PCs and one kind of it, self constructed [12:22] <kay> Some of them cheap and quality [12:22] <nikkia> (oh, and yamaha had a 20x SCSi drive, but it was just a IDE drive with a SCSI/IDE bridge and $100 extra on the price :) [12:23] <kay> nikkia: And the drives started to be having IDE to SCSI adapters that made it slower [12:23] <kay> nikkia: At least the ones you could buy, and they were slower too [12:23] <kay> That hard disk drives I meant [12:23] <kay> I bought my AMD64 from such an integrator. [12:23] <nikkia> kay, it wasn't the bridge that slowed them down, it was the fact that the manufacturers realised they could dump 6month old IDE drives on the SCSI crowd, with a bridge and still charge more than the new IDE drives [12:24] <kay> I needed not buy Windows, not even got a floppy drive, I didn't want, no optical drive I already had.... and stuff [12:25] <kay> No mouse, no keyboard, etc. [12:26] <kay> Just the things I wanted, and I knew that their choice of mainboard, the 50 USD one, was actually good :) [12:29] <EvanMcCone> what kernel use kubuntu 5.04 ? [12:29] <EvanMcCone> 2.6...? [12:29] <buz> .10 [12:30] <EvanMcCone> oks [12:30] <EvanMcCone> thx buz [12:41] <paines> hi [12:46] <buz> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99654 mhh still happens for me. [12:46] <buz> anyone got a trunk build of akregator? [12:56] <EvanMcCone> config-2.6.8.1-3-386 of ubuntu and the kubuntu is config-2.6.10... ? [12:57] <P3L|C4N0> 2.6.8.1 = Warty | 2.6.10... Hoary [12:58] <EvanMcCone> what? [12:59] <EvanMcCone> is for kernel compilation [01:01] <buz> weird [01:01] <buz> i got knewsticker installed but it wont show up in the add applet dialog of the kicker [01:01] <buz> ah i must be bling [01:01] <EvanMcCone> :/ [01:01] <EvanMcCone> P3L|C4N0: of kubuntu 5.04 config-2.6.... ? [01:04] <EvanMcCone> P3L|C4N0: of kubuntu 5.04 config-2.6.10-5-386 :D [01:05] <P3L|C4N0> EvanMcCone, $ uname -a [01:08] <EvanMcCone> thx :) [01:22] <buz> is there something like beagle or spotlight for kde? [01:23] <apokryphos> buz: kat [01:23] <buz> which i can get where? [01:24] <apokryphos> kde-apps [01:26] <buz> mhh lets give it a shot if i can get it to compile that is [01:26] <buz> sheesh [01:26] <buz> i need about 200mb of dev stuff [01:27] <apokryphos> buz: there's an ubuntu .deb there [01:27] <buz> mhh need to dig further then [01:27] <apokryphos> buz: it's listed right there, as a download [01:27] <buz> cool [01:27] <buz> was looking at the wrong page i guess [01:27] <buz> its actually right at the top ;) [01:29] <buz> people who supply ubuntu debs must be good ;) [01:31] <buz> dpkg: error processing //home/buz/Desktop/kat_0.6.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--install): [01:31] <buz> corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Success [01:31] <buz> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe [01:31] <buz> doesnt work [01:35] <apokryphos> buz: I get the error too; bad packaging, perhaps. I can send you the 0.54 version, which I had and works [01:36] <buz> maybe i'll build it [01:36] <buz> will go grab something to eat now [01:36] <apokryphos> buz: no point, if you'll need to get all those extra things... major hassle. [01:37] <apokryphos> http://giannaros.org/kat_0.5.4-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb -- if you want it. [01:42] <thijs> hi all [01:55] <Octane> i know this is odd but can someone here tell me what items they have in their Development menu in the KDE menu [01:57] <Fraeon> How about if I told you that I don't have a development menu? [01:57] <Octane> Fraeon: i would believe you!!! [01:58] <Octane> so you dont have the kdewebdev package installed? [01:59] <ztonzy> hmm [01:59] <comp7> hi all [01:59] <ztonzy> OSD placement is gone in Konversation, I can't set it anymore...where have it dissapeard ? [02:00] <ztonzy> it does popup when somone's typing my nick...but I can't set the location anymore :-\ [02:01] <ztonzy> this weird, another Kubuntu issue ? [02:02] <lindsay> hello [02:03] <comp7> hi lindsay [02:03] <lindsay> i'm trying to access my ntfs media through media:/ [02:03] <lindsay> in KDE [02:03] <lindsay> however [02:03] <lindsay> it wont let my [02:03] <lindsay> because im not SU [02:03] <lindsay> im assuming [02:03] <lindsay> coz if I go kdesu it works [02:03] <lindsay> is there a way to allow it to work? [02:03] <lindsay> without becoming SU? [02:23] <evanmccone> hi [02:23] <evanmccone> how i can cancel a compilation and remove? [02:40] <bizzare> helow..i need help..i want to configure adsl in kubuntu..how? [02:47] <wellso> hi ppl [02:47] <pakos> bizzare: install ppoe [02:47] <pakos> bizzare: sorry, pppoe [02:47] <wellso> on my log off dialog im missing options to shutdown/restart/end session etc. Any idea how i get them back [02:49] <pakos> wellso: using kdm? [02:50] <bizzare> tnx..it works with pppoeconfig ;) [02:50] <wellso> yeah, I apt-get kubuntu-desktop [02:52] <buz> apokryphos: i installed kat 0.5.4 [02:52] <buz> seems to work [02:52] <bizzare> i would like to ask sometinhg more...hm...when i try to install lynx i write apt-get install lynx..but the apt-get can't find the package [02:53] <bizzare> where's the problem [02:53] <pakos> wellso: in control center, system administration / login manager / shutdown are the settings ok? [02:54] <pakos> buz: does kat have online update (watching for modified files), or should run a cron job to update the database? [02:54] <buz> i think you need a kernel patch for the watching [02:54] <buz> not entirely sure though [02:54] <buz> only just installed it [02:55] <pakos> dnotify, i suppose [02:55] <buz> it prefers inotify i think [02:55] <wellso> brb pakos [02:55] <buz> theres something about it on the site [02:55] <pakos> buz: ok, thanks! [02:57] <Fraeon> And remember, the best reason not to become a vegetarian is because Hitler was one. [02:57] <Fraeon> What is more, the Greenpeace has-beens neglect the scientific evidence that we NEED meat to survive. Here's proof: In Adventure Island II, you can eat fruit to gain back one bar of health, but only one bar. On the other hand, if you find the roast beef, it will restore all of your health, even if you're down to one bar. This matter proves that meat is necessary for survival, especially red meat. [02:58] <buz> lets have kat scan my homedir ;) [02:59] <Fraeon> If you still don't believe me and think vegetables are better, then ask yourself what takes away your health in Adventure Island--that's right, the freakin' EGGPLANT! [03:00] <wellso> hi again ppl [03:00] <wellso> pakos: cant see anything wrong with the options [03:08] <buz> i cant help, but i still think it looks win3.1 like http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/ [03:15] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hey guys, [03:16] <wellso> hi [03:16] <wellso> hows things [03:16] <Alex[RM-UK] > not to bad really you? [03:17] <Alex[RM-UK] > I heard about the new KDE 3.4.2 and I saw on Kubuntus site to add the extra download sites in, [03:17] <Alex[RM-UK] > but what files do I download via Kynaptic to get 3.4.2 ? [03:19] <Alex[RM-UK] > anyone? [03:19] <Fraeon> sudo apt-get install kde* [03:19] <Alex[RM-UK] > with the * [03:19] <Alex[RM-UK] > ? [03:19] <Fraeon> Ok, maybe that isn't quite wise. [03:19] <Alex[RM-UK] > why? [03:21] <pakos> Alex[RM-UK] : install? none. you should only do an update & upgrade [03:21] <Fraeon> That will install every package that starts with "kde" [03:21] <Alex[RM-UK] > ahh, [03:21] <pakos> Alex[RM-UK] : you should not install kde*, because it installs everything :) [03:21] <Alex[RM-UK] > yeh I mean update & upgrade, i've been using windows a bit too much and keep saying install lol [03:22] <Alex[RM-UK] > shall I just go into Kynaptic, and right click on every kde package installed and go Update? [03:22] <pakos> Alex[RM-UK] : simply add the new source line to the sources.list, and run an 'aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade' [03:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > sudo? or just aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade [03:23] <pakos> Alex[RM-UK] : yes, with sudo [03:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > ok, [03:23] <pakos> Alex[RM-UK] : you can use Kynaptic too, but i prefer the command line for such tasks :) [03:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > shall try it in a min, copying 5 gigs of mp3s over to my linux box so it's a bit slow [03:24] <Alex[RM-UK] > suppose so, I tend to use a GUI more as i've only been using linux for 2 months :) [03:24] <wellso> http://dtwp.net/logout.jpg anyone know how to get around this? [03:25] <Alex[RM-UK] > is there any other file browser apart from Konqueror that works on KDE [03:25] <Alex[RM-UK] > I really don't like Konqueror much, [03:25] <buz> all of them should work [03:25] <buz> but konqi is the best imho [03:25] <Alex[RM-UK] > I don't know of any, [03:25] <buz> gnome's nautilus is crap [03:25] <wellso> aye [03:25] <buz> and others i currently dont remember [03:25] <wellso> konq kicks its ass [03:26] <pakos> Alex[RM-UK] : in kynaptic, click simply on 'refresh' and then on 'upgrade all packages' [03:26] <buz> midnight commander [03:26] <pakos> Alex[RM-UK] : krusader? [03:26] <Alex[RM-UK] > I will have a look at that, [03:26] <Alex[RM-UK] > for the Kynaptic, that will update every package installed, including KDE, yes? [03:26] <wellso> yeah MC is the beast for konq [03:26] <buz> mh krusader is like GUI MC [03:26] <Alex[RM-UK] > nar all music finidhed, lets try these updates [03:26] <buz> i never quite liked that split pane stuff though [03:27] <pakos> Alex[RM-UK] : yes, but because the newly added source has only kde-related packages, only kde will be upgraded [03:27] <wellso> i like having the terminal at the bottom [03:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > ahh, cool [03:27] <wellso> great for java compiling [03:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > ok, doing updates via Konsole now, [03:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > then I have to restart pc I assume? [03:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > ok, it's done [03:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > hum, that quick? [03:28] <pakos> Alex[RM-UK] : logout-login is enough [03:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > ahh, [03:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > it can't of done it that quick surley, [03:28] <pakos> Alex[RM-UK] : did you add the new source to the sources.list file? [03:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > yes, I added all of them it said possible [03:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > E: /home/alex/.aptitude/config - Unable to open %s for writing (13 Permission denied) [03:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) [03:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? [03:29] <Alex[RM-UK] > I did sudo [03:29] <wellso> http://dtwp.net/logout.jpg anyone know how to restore this with Shutdown/Restart? [03:29] <wellso> close synaptic/kynaptic [03:29] <Alex[RM-UK] > it's not open, [03:29] <Alex[RM-UK] > ahh, it's done this before [03:29] <pakos> wellso: hmm, if the control center settings allow the shutdown / restart for all users, then i have no ideas left :-/ [03:30] <Alex[RM-UK] > i'll try it the Kynaptic way, [03:30] <paines> wellso: kcontrol->kde components->session manager [03:30] <paines> wellso: if you mean to have options like shutown, end current session etc... [03:31] <Alex[RM-UK] > nar, downloading update packages now, [03:31] <wellso> still no joy matey [03:31] <Alex[RM-UK] > going to get a Brew, will be back in a mo. [03:31] <nikkia> wellso, are you using KDM ? [03:32] <nikkia> if you switched to gdm, the KDE session manager cannot offer shutdown/reboot [03:32] <insanekane> hello nikkia [03:32] <wellso> i installed Hoary with Gnome, and then apt-get kubuntu-desktop [03:32] <nikkia> wellso, so you're probably still using GDM as your login manager [03:32] <nikkia> you'll want to dpkg-reconfigure gdm and select kdm :) [03:33] <wellso> excellent [03:33] <nikkia> and hope it works :P [03:33] <wellso> i'll restart X and try [03:33] <wellso> if all goes well, I'll be back :) [03:35] <nikkia> afternoon insanekane [03:36] <insanekane> nikkia: and that is ? [03:36] <insanekane> oh building :) [03:36] <nikkia> memory optimisation [03:36] <insanekane> aha [03:36] <insanekane> hehe :) [03:36] <nikkia> trying to squeeze this java program into using less than 360MB of memory [03:37] <insanekane> amazing ... i havent made a program that purposefully requires that much memory :) [03:37] <insanekane> though ive worked with 128 byte uCs :) [03:38] <wellso> thankyou nikkia [03:38] <wellso> worked a treat [03:38] <nikkia> insanekane: you obviously haven't had to deal with 25MB of png files that get uncompressed to 32bit RGB textures at load time, and 100+MB of xvid files that have to be loaded into ram [03:38] <insanekane> hehe, no i havent :) [03:39] <Alex[RM-UK] > HEy im back, [03:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > I got a question, I just copied all my music from my windows hard drive, to my Linux one. But is there any point? I mean, can I just make XMMS play all my music files from the Windows hard drive [03:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > or does it have to be on my local linux hard drive? [03:40] <wellso> yeah if you set up the shares on your windows box [03:40] <wellso> or are you dual booting [03:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > Windos box and Linux box are the same :) [03:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > sort of, with 2 hard drives [03:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > Linux is master, windows is slave [03:41] <wellso> just a case of mounting your windows partition/drive and accessing the files [03:41] <wellso> FAT can read/write NTFS read only [03:41] <Alex[RM-UK] > yeh I can do that fine, so it will work fine? xmms wont try and wirte any fiels to NTFS will it? [03:41] <wellso> no m8 [03:41] <wellso> dont see why it would anyway [03:42] <wellso> unless you are changing ID3 tags etc. [03:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > good :P that will save me some space on my linux hard drive then [03:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > nah I wont be doing that [03:42] <wellso> cool [03:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > Nar, it works fine [03:44] <moparfan90_> whats a good dektop manager [03:44] <Bubbling_Zombie> depends on your personal taste. [03:44] <moparfan90_> other then kde.. something like openbox or blackbox bu better [03:44] <moparfan90_> but* [03:44] <Bubbling_Zombie> http://xwinman.org/ [03:44] <Bubbling_Zombie> you might want to try fluxbox [03:45] <moparfan90_> i have that. i cant figure out how to confire it [03:45] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hum, I've never been able to get Surround sound on ANY ofthe linux distros I have tried [03:45] <Bubbling_Zombie> check out the .fluxbox directory in your home [03:46] <Alex[RM-UK] > is it possible to get surround sound in Kubuntu, with a Creative sound blaster Liev! 5.1 sound card? [03:47] <nikkia> alex, yes, but the trick is to tell the video player to use a different alsa device [03:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > Video? I be using XMMS EE eeeee [03:48] <nikkia> alex, if your surround is connected to digital output, so you want spdif, then you'll see an iec* named channel in the alsamixer, you can tell the video player to output spdif to that [03:48] <nikkia> alex, why would you want surround sound on stereo audio? that's silly [03:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > I don't understand [03:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > In Windows, Creative comes with a nice little settings box, and if I ever ticked Digital Output Only sound would turn off, so I never had it on [03:49] <Bubbling_Zombie> Alex[RM-UK] i don't have any experience with the card. But check your sound options in the configuration screen [03:50] <Bubbling_Zombie> (control center i mean) [03:50] <nikkia> alex, well, you can get surround a number of ways with linux, the problem is, you need a surround sound source to play back, music in xmms is going to be stereo, so that won't be surround :) [03:50] <Alex[RM-UK] > Oh, how come XMMS is stereo? [03:51] <nikkia> videos you have a couple of choices, you can either tell the video player to decode ac3 to seperate alsa channels, or you can output the ac3 unchanged to spdif if your speakers are connected digitally [03:51] <nikkia> alex, because music is stereo ? [03:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > then how did I get sourround sound with msuic, in Winamp and Media player...any other application that would play any msuic files [03:52] <nikkia> because creative use a gimmicky setting that ruins the quality of your music in the name of 'making it surround' [03:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > I dont understand what you mean 'connected digitaly' [03:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > so it's not true sourrund sound in windows? [03:52] <nikkia> for stereo music? no, of course not [03:52] <nikkia> its just echo applied to the rear speakers [03:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > so all that time in Windows I had an echo as surround sound?! my god [03:53] <gdh> Alex[RM-UK] : Come on , think about it - if the source is only 2 channels.... :) [03:53] <nikkia> alex, if you're playing games or videos that are actually capable of surround, you would have had surround, but not from music [03:54] <gdh> it's not like music CDs are encoded with Dolby Pro-logic ... :) [03:54] <Alex[RM-UK] > gdh, what do you mean source is only 2 channels? [03:54] <Alex[RM-UK] > i'm totaly confused now [03:54] <gdh> Alex[RM-UK] : the music mp3s you were playing are stereo.. 2 channels.. the left speaker + the right speaker. [03:54] <thoreauputic> Alex[RM-UK] : stereo recording == 2 channels [03:54] <gdh> if you have 2 channels, how can you have 'real 'surround in 5 or more speakers? [03:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > hum, yeh I see your point now [03:55] <nikkia> gdh, there are some surround encoded music, but its usually DTS, and not very common, and someone with DTS cds would know a bit more about what they're doing (and not be playing them with winamp) [03:55] <Aapzak> goodmorning [03:55] <Aapzak> :) [03:55] <nikkia> and besides, playing back DTS music without knowing what you're doing results in VERY loud noise :P [03:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > so, back to the orgional question - How do I get surround sound? [03:56] <gdh> Alex[RM-UK] : By providing the card with surround data - typically playing a DVD movie. [03:56] <nikkia> alex, you need something capable of generating surround output, xine for example, then you tell it either one of two things, to decode AC3 and send the output streams to different alsa channels, or you send the whole thing unencoded to the digital output of the card [03:56] <Alex[RM-UK] > I mean for my MP3's [03:56] <nikkia> alex, mp3s are NOT in surround [03:56] <Alex[RM-UK] > I know, I know [03:56] <wellso> :) [03:57] <thoreauputic> Alex[RM-UK] : hello! Earth to Alex[RM-UK] ... [03:57] <gdh> :) I don't think Linux supports those crap 'DSP' effects [03:57] <gdh> so, the answer is "You don't" [03:57] <gdh> easy :) [03:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > thoreauputic, Hi! [03:57] <thoreauputic> *sigh* [03:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > so, I download xine, and it should give me "echoey" surround sound? [03:58] <nikkia> alex, no [03:58] <nikkia> alex, thank god [03:58] <nikkia> echoey surround == crap [03:58] <nikkia> gdh, btw, you can in theory accomplish it with a very nasty jack setup :P [03:58] <Alex[RM-UK] > so I cant get surround sound then, [03:59] <nikkia> gdh, you use beep or xmms talking to jack, then create a duplicate output mapping from xmms to an echo plugin -> rear speakers :) [03:59] <gdh> nikkia: Hm, in that case I think I would rather not know jack [03:59] <nikkia> gdh, its not something anyone would want to do, of course :) [03:59] <wellso> my sound is distorted in ubuntu unless I take the PCM value down on my sound card [04:00] <wellso> anyone know a work around for this [04:00] <Alex[RM-UK] > so I gotta be stuck with this echoey stero sound for when ever im on linux :( [04:00] <nikkia> wellso, yes, don't turn it up to 100% [04:00] <wellso> lol [04:00] <wellso> could i re-calibrate it somehow? [04:00] <nikkia> wellso, no, its more card manufacturer bull [04:00] <wellso> thought so [04:01] <nikkia> wellso, they spec the output volume controls higher than their windows drivers allow [04:01] <nikkia> so 100% in windows in reality is more like 80% [04:01] <wellso> yeah, that sounds right [04:01] <wellso> nasty distortion at 100% [04:02] <wellso> my B&W's sound like they gonna explode [04:02] <Alex[RM-UK] > yeh, my speakers did a really loud high pitch noise when I did that!!!! [04:02] <Alex[RM-UK] > scared the crap out of me when I put my msuic on [04:02] <Alex[RM-UK] > i'd still like surround sound though, [04:02] <Alex[RM-UK] > even if it is the echoey one like Windows :) [04:03] <nikkia> alex, you're free to modify xmms to do so, everyone else that actually cares about their music quality will stick with what we have [04:03] <Aapzak> do you guys use the konqueror webbrowser? [04:03] <Bubbling_Zombie> sometimes [04:03] <wellso> i use firefox tbh [04:04] <Aapzak> it feels to completely incompatible with almost everything [04:04] <Bubbling_Zombie> dont have a problem with it [04:04] <Aapzak> form buttons that don't work, no javascript, [04:04] <gdh> Aapzak: You mean it makes you realise how many webdesigners have no clue? :) [04:04] <Aapzak> :) [04:04] <Alex[RM-UK] > nikkia: I really hate this echoey sound that I have at the mo, and tbh I prefer what I had in windows. so is there ANY way I can get it like that? so it uses all 5, well 6 spakers? [04:04] <wellso> lol, they all design for IE [04:04] <Aapzak> might be gdh , but it's anoying [04:05] <Aapzak> really anoying, where firefox still manages in most cases, konqueror does not have a clue what to do [04:06] <Aapzak> are there any tweaks I should perform to make konq better, flash plugin for instance? [04:07] <Aapzak> I love KDE and all the KDE apps, but konqueror and Kopete let me down too often [04:07] <Bubbling_Zombie> do you have flash for firefox installed? [04:08] <Alex[RM-UK] > which is better in your opinion, gMSN or Kopete? [04:08] <Alex[RM-UK] > amsn* [04:09] <Aapzak> amsn is much better [04:10] <jpatrick> I've never tried amsn.. [04:10] <Aapzak> kopete is broken in my opinion [04:10] <Aapzak> not useable [04:10] <Alex[RM-UK] > just imagine if NO ONE competed against each other for better apps and just combined forces, the programs would be FAR better [04:11] <Aapzak> it does not detects connection loss, you can be offline for hours without knowing [04:11] <gdh> hahaha :) [04:11] <Bubbling_Zombie> no, that'd make them lazy [04:11] <gdh> Why can't we all just get along!? ;) [04:11] <Aapzak> lets all use only MS products and see where we end up [04:11] <Alex[RM-UK] > my dream OS - Linux back end, able to run ALL Windows apps..well any OS app. SURROUND SOUND ^^ and a nice GUI which is easy to use [04:12] <Aapzak> sounds like MacOSX [04:12] <Alex[RM-UK] > does it? [04:12] <Alex[RM-UK] > never used macosx. can that run windows progs? [04:12] <wellso> the macs with intel arch. will be interesting [04:12] <Aapzak> they will [04:12] <Alex[RM-UK] > first time macs have goen with intel isn't it? [04:12] <Aapzak> macos is brilliant [04:12] <nikkia> alex, as i've said, you can get surround sound with linux, but only real surround sound, so stop trolling [04:12] <jpatrick> Mac can run MS Office and Photosho [04:12] <wellso> yes m8 [04:12] <jpatrick> Photoshop* [04:13] <Alex[RM-UK] > 3D Studio max? [04:13] <wellso> macs are the king for graphics design [04:13] <Bubbling_Zombie> linux + windows games (100% native) <- my dream os [04:13] <Aapzak> BSD-like backend, very sweet frontend [04:13] <Alex[RM-UK] > nikkia, sorry I just liked the surround sound I had [04:13] <jpatrick> be happy [04:13] <Alex[RM-UK] > and smile [04:13] <jpatrick> I have no sound [04:13] <wellso> i cant wait to see what ubuntu develops into in a few years [04:14] <Alex[RM-UK] > Ubuntu I love, I tried many other Linux distros and ubuntu just works [04:14] <wellso> (k)ubuntu is my choice too, hardware support is fantastic [04:14] <Aapzak> gentoo is the best ;) [04:15] <wellso> i never tried it mate [04:15] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hum, is there a MSN type progam for MacOSX, and does Firefox and Thunderbird work on it? [04:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> gentoo is a waste of time [04:15] <jpatrick> Adium [04:15] <Aapzak> Alex[RM-UK] : yes yes yes [04:15] <gdh> Bubbling_Zombie: Yes, several hours at a time :) [04:15] <jpatrick> sort of [04:15] <wellso> the compiling sounds a ball-ache [04:15] <Aapzak> it makes the system flexible [04:15] <Aapzak> it takes some time, true, [04:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> my system is just as flexible as a gentoo system. [04:15] <Alex[RM-UK] > My god, I think I may wack a 3rd hard drive in my pc and try that. I do loads of graphics work you see, and I want a OS that doesn't crash and is great for graphic work (mac) [04:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> and besides [04:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> apt-build for the win [04:16] <wellso> i understand how compiling for your specific system is benificial [04:16] <Aapzak> it might be, I'm not familiar with Kubuntu [04:16] <wellso> how good is yum/emerge compared to apt? [04:16] <Aapzak> I like apt better [04:16] <wellso> i never used the alternatives [04:16] <wellso> i like apt [04:16] <Alex[RM-UK] > haha, I just rememberd Suse YAST. I really didn't like that program, yuck [04:16] <Aapzak> the search function is superior for instance [04:16] <wellso> simple and too-the-point [04:17] <Aapzak> yes, apt is nice, portage has some advantages too [04:17] <nikkia> wellso, yum is terrible [04:17] <Alex[RM-UK] > I liked Vector Linux's aplication system, [04:17] <Alex[RM-UK] > forgot what it was called, [04:18] <wellso> anyone here run any ubuntu workstations/servers in a commercial enviroment? [04:18] <Aapzak> nicest thing about gentoo is not the optimalistations, but the make flags, you decide what should be build with an application and what not. If you only use kde + arts sound daemon, there is no use in adding oss, alsa, esd or other sound systems to your application [04:18] <Alex[RM-UK] > *gasp* can you no longer download a trial of 3ds max?! [04:18] <Aapzak> load on your system will be a lot less because so much can be left out [04:18] <wellso> for a noob like me the flags would confuse me [04:19] <Poromies> hmm, hard to compare them, emerge is great for source-like distros and apt for these binary orientated, though they both can handle binary and source packages [04:19] <wellso> id miss something vital and only realise once its compiled [04:19] <Aapzak> wellso: prolly :) but using gentoo makes you also understand your (linux) system a lot better, [04:19] <Bubbling_Zombie> http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html <- Aapzak you might want to check this [04:19] <wellso> i've heard good things about gentoo [04:19] <Bubbling_Zombie> Aapzak that whole "understanding" thing doesn't depend on the distro. It depends on the person using it [04:19] <Alex[RM-UK] > does anyone know if you can still get hold of the 3dsm trial on there site? [04:20] <Alex[RM-UK] > it seems as if it's been taken off [04:20] <Poromies> Aapzak: not entirely true, mainly gentoo teaches how to use handbook, manuals and support forums :) [04:20] <Aapzak> Gentoo is nice, but I dont't run it on this laptop because I don't want to let this machine compile everyting [04:20] <Poromies> imo that is ;P [04:20] <Aapzak> Poromies: which are all perfect, the best I've ever seen [04:20] <wellso> i need to learn some foundation linux/unix skills [04:21] <Aapzak> Bubbling_Zombie: when you build your system from scratch, you'll have to learn a few things too [04:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> like? [04:21] <wellso> when i go uni I think they are using solaris :S [04:21] <Poromies> gentoo doesn't force to build from scratch btw, you can choose stage3 or even install Vidalinux (stage4 with anaconda) [04:21] <Aapzak> Bubbling_Zombie: you'll learn about system loggers, dir structure, cron daemon, etc. basic stuff, but it helped me in realising what the kernel does and what everything else does [04:22] <Alex[RM-UK] > Guys, and girls, does 3dsm work on Mac os by any chance? [04:22] <Bubbling_Zombie> Aapzak you learn that stuff , once you evolve from a "everything in the gui" to the "me & my terminal" [04:22] <Aapzak> :) [04:23] <wellso> im a GUI kind of guy [04:23] <Aapzak> I never used a gui-config-based linux [04:23] <wellso> my term. experiance is vague to say the least [04:23] <Aapzak> I've been running Debian for years, since a year or two gentoo [04:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > brb gotta restart kde, [04:24] <wellso> the support on here is fantastic, never had a problem that hasnt been solved [04:26] <Aapzak> Bubbling_Zombie: I'm using Kubuntu on this laptop because I like the apt system, but dislike Debian's release schedule. I like Ubuntu's better, just twice a year a new release, regardless of how far we got. It makes system administration much easier [04:26] <Bubbling_Zombie> i use debian. don't flog me now. [04:26] <Aapzak> :) [04:26] <Aapzak> unstable I presume? [04:27] <Bubbling_Zombie> sure [04:27] <Aapzak> the tree I mean, not the system :) [04:27] <Bubbling_Zombie> :') [04:27] <Bubbling_Zombie> testing is way to slow to release things [04:27] <Aapzak> you have xorg now? [04:27] <Bubbling_Zombie> yes, they switched couple o' weeks ago [04:27] <Aapzak> kewl [04:27] <Aapzak> and kde version? [04:27] <Aapzak> debian is my old love you know [04:28] <Bubbling_Zombie> unofficial (from a rep from a debian maintainer) 3.4.1 [04:28] <Aapzak> but thats not in unstable yet? or is it? [04:28] <Bubbling_Zombie> not yet no [04:28] <Aapzak> too bad, I need a newer KDE, lots of Kopete fixes [04:28] <Bubbling_Zombie> there are preview packages [04:29] <wellso> what the command to find my KDE ver.? [04:29] <ztonzy> anyon yet tried amu's new livecd ? [04:29] <ztonzy> anyone* [04:29] <Aapzak> wellso: dunno :) [04:29] <Bubbling_Zombie> wellso , open any application and check help-> about kde [04:30] <Aapzak> yeah [04:30] <Aapzak> I'm still on 3.4.1 too, so no MSN through Kopete for me [04:31] <Bubbling_Zombie> ow, it works perfectly here [04:31] <Aapzak> you must have a fixed version than [04:31] <Aapzak> I have 0.10.2 [04:32] <jpatrick> Is there a program that can run .wmv files? [04:32] <nikkia> works perfectly here, too [04:32] <Bubbling_Zombie> heh, me too -_- [04:32] <Aapzak> weird [04:33] <Bubbling_Zombie> I use the preview packages [04:33] <ztonzy> nikkia: did you try the new livecd yet ? [04:33] <Bubbling_Zombie> don't know about the kubuntu versions tho [04:33] <nikkia> ztonzy: nope [04:33] <ztonzy> nikkia: haven't got it running yet [04:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hey, [04:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > Guys I just installed kde 3.4.2 [04:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > but now It has removed my Control Center Link [04:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > how do I get it back [04:38] <jpatrick> that happenes [04:38] <jpatrick> just make a new menu entry [04:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > Ho sorry, was playing Frozen bubble, such a good game. [04:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > I was going to do that but I didn't know the link to it [04:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > do you know what it is? [04:40] <jpatrick> kcontrol [04:41] <Alex[RM-UK] > anyone remeber the Icom for it? [04:41] <Alex[RM-UK] > I got it [04:41] <Alex[RM-UK] > woohoo, it installed ok. [04:41] <jpatrick> just click the icon selector and look for it [04:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > is KDFX or somethign like that, an addon for KDE? because I want to get it but not sure were to get it from [04:42] <jpatrick> no idea.. [04:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > ok [04:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > ahh, ati drivers...new there was something I forget. [04:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > forgot* [04:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > hum, edubuntu? whats that lol [04:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > education version of ubuntu? [04:47] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : yeah, for schools n' stuff [04:47] <ztonzy> apokryphos: hey [04:48] <apokryphos> Hi [04:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > schools? good luck to getting kids to use Linux [04:48] <lscd> why not? [04:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > Windows 100% for schools and kids, alot alot easier for them to use than linux i'd say [04:49] <lscd> i started using it at 13, my little sister uses it, and when we have kids over, they love pingus [04:49] <apokryphos> it's already happening [04:49] <buz> Alex[RM-UK] : no [04:49] <lscd> Alex[RM-UK] : it really makes no difference to a newbie, as long as they're not adding hardware and stuff..... [04:49] <buz> i dont think windows is any easier than linux for someone who doesnt know either [04:49] <buz> and linux got one biiiig advantage: no spyware etc [04:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > i'm 14 and use it, but for schools - think when tehy go home they have windows - they go to school and somehow use Linux for the first time, [04:49] <PieD> buz: ++ [04:49] <buz> and much easier to administrate in a school setting, for sure [04:49] <lscd> buz: my mom is barely tech-literate (she can do her email without thinking she's lost it if she minimizes it now) and she prefers kde to windows [04:50] <buz> i gave my parent macs [04:50] <ztonzy> apokryphos: 3rd time and still no work of livecd heh [04:50] <PieD> I see a lot of people prefering linux [04:50] <ztonzy> I will not try again [04:50] <buz> traditionally, swiss schools have been using macs [04:50] <lscd> Alex[RM-UK] : i used macs at school when i was little, and windows at home starting at 10 - it's really not that hard - you have to learn the apple menu vs the start menu vs the k menu [04:50] <Alex[RM-UK] > yes, I know Linux advantages but for little people i would give them windows [04:50] <PieD> since they don't "administrate" it [04:50] <apokryphos> ztonzy: ? [04:50] <PieD> they don't add hardware [04:50] <lscd> buz: eh, that was in canada; the swiss schools i know of mainly use pcs though :/ [04:50] <PieD> they have no driver problem [04:50] <ztonzy> apokryphos: burned new livecd 3 times and cannot boot it [04:50] <PieD> no spyware, no viruses : what a dream ! [04:50] <buz> lscd: depends [04:50] <lscd> buz: i'm in switzerland [04:50] <buz> university of zurich is still using loads of macs [04:50] <buz> so am i [04:51] <ztonzy> so I wont try no more [04:51] <lscd> eh [04:51] <ztonzy> ;) [04:51] <wellso> where i live its 99.5% windows workstations/servers [04:51] <buz> highschool was dell land though [04:51] <apokryphos> ztonzy: others have worked? You should let amu know [04:51] <PieD> and for a school, tools like dansguardian are great (for proxies) [04:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > haha yeh my high school is all dell [04:51] <wellso> yeah, shitty dell's that HD's blow up [04:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > yep [04:51] <ztonzy> apokryphos: tried it on a cd-rw with 10x burn speed capability [04:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > all the dl badges people have taken off lol [04:51] <lscd> sure, my university is entirely windows-based, except for the cs department (lucky, the main liceo here is olivetti based.....), - the cs department here is mac based, with a couple of linux servers [04:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > dell* [04:51] <ztonzy> used k3b and autospeed...simplymepis works [04:52] <buz> lol [04:52] <ztonzy> same cd-rw and burnspeed [04:52] <apokryphos> ztonzy: yes, would be a good idea to contact him; he's appreciate it I think. [04:52] <ztonzy> apokryphos: also got midsum for green light [04:52] <ztonzy> he is not here I see [04:52] <apokryphos> s/he's/he'd [04:52] <buz> if i was sysadmin, i'd never use windows [04:52] <buz> really [04:52] <buz> it's a recipe for disaster [04:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > i would always 100% use linux for servers [04:52] <buz> mhh maybe bsd [04:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > no doubt about it [04:53] <PieD> buz: sadly, I know one case where people can't do without windows : [04:53] <buz> but yeah, unix it would be [04:53] <PieD> ultra specific applications [04:53] <buz> that's true [04:53] <buz> but for those i'd use terminal services [04:53] <PieD> with ultra specific file formats [04:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > I can't live without Windows. The prorgams I use will only work on it so I HAVE to use windows [04:53] <apokryphos> Our school used Linux server too; had a couple of Linux computers too but they weren't really used [04:53] <PieD> Alex[RM-UK] : you can always have a way to escape from windows [04:54] <Alex[RM-UK] > I come on Linux when ever I want to escape and know I wont be doing any graphics work [04:54] <lscd> apokryphos: sure, it's slightly easier to set up a linux system which sucks, but especially for younger people who aren't really used to windows, linux is pretty simple, as long as they don't admin it [04:54] <apokryphos> lscd: I completely agree [04:54] <Alex[RM-UK] > I bet they would love Frozen Bubble.....i'm addicted to it now :) [04:55] <apokryphos> lscd: usability in Unix DEs is really improving [04:55] <christin> #kalzium [04:55] <lscd> hehe..... it's quite addictive, yeah [04:55] <wellso> i agree :) [04:55] <lscd> apokryphos: yeah - i've really liked kde 3.2 onwards [04:55] <apokryphos> lscd: suffice it to say it would save the schools a *lot* of money too [04:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > If people have seen no different, yes Linux, but if they are used to Windows as a Kid, and then you try and give them Linux at that age...They will freak out proberly, [04:55] <christin> # kalzium [04:55] <lscd> apokryphos: well... there's the whole issue of educational software - a lot is written amazingly poorly, but some works [04:55] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : for non-administration/hardware? I really doubt that [04:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > no I mean loads of things will be different, [04:56] <wellso> depends on their level of intuition IMO [04:56] <Alex[RM-UK] > the programs they are used to wont be there, things in a differnt place, they wouldn't like it [04:56] <Alex[RM-UK] > it's like taken there fravirite cuddly toy away and replacing it with somethign else [04:56] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : yes, but nothing they couldn't quite easily learn. When my friends use my computer all they need to know is "what program does what" [04:56] <wellso> its a very user-specific matter [04:56] <lscd> Alex[RM-UK] : i've got first-hand experience saying otherwise [04:56] <lscd> i've put people as young as 8 in front of linux, who are used to using windows and macos [04:57] <lscd> and they're happy clicking at the penguin games [04:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > true, but it would be unusaly to them to start with, some may get it but I doubt all would [04:57] <lscd> Alex[RM-UK] : that's a slightly different age group, and really not comparable - perhaps more like giving them another toy [04:57] <christin> #j kalzium [04:57] <apokryphos> KDE's making a great effort here too; see http://edu.kde.org/ [04:57] <wellso> im interested to see how schools here react to edubuntu [04:57] <lscd> Alex[RM-UK] : 'you click' - the barrier is being able to use a mouse, not the specific de [04:57] <buz> for me, one of the killer arguments for kde: sftp kioslave. i can work with php scripts on servers just like they were on my machine ;) [04:58] <apokryphos> buz: yup. Or fish too -- I find it a little faster. [04:58] <buz> !fish [04:58] <ubotu> buz: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [04:58] <Alex[RM-UK] > I know Linux is easy to use, im not saying it';s not. I mean if kids are use to Windows they wont be able to find anything on Linux to start with [04:58] <lscd> buz: yes, kde has some advanced stuff [04:58] <buz> apokryphos: what's fish [04:58] <Alex[RM-UK] > something you eat? [04:58] <lscd> Alex[RM-UK] : you're underestimating kids; point them to the k menu, perhaps show them where the games are, and they're mainly good [04:58] <Aapzak> kopete + msn works here too, now what was that other problem I was having [04:59] <buz> i think they even figure out what the k menu is [04:59] <buz> it's in the same place as start after all [04:59] <Alex[RM-UK] > yeh I was about to say that [04:59] <apokryphos> ubotu: fish is A way to access another computer's files using a simple SSH shell account and standard UNIX utilities on the remote side. [04:59] <ubotu> okay, apokryphos [04:59] <apokryphos> buz: see help:/kioslave -> fish [04:59] <christin> could anybody tell me what I have to do to get in a new channel ? [04:59] <Alex[RM-UK] > /join #channelname [05:00] <apokryphos> christin: /join #channelname [05:00] <wellso> "/join #channelname" [05:00] <apokryphos> snap [05:00] <Alex[RM-UK] > bang [05:00] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol, when I said it first to him - I forgot to put a space so it went to "channelname" [05:00] <Alex[RM-UK] > ^^ [05:00] <wellso> lol i was there too [05:00] <apokryphos> buz: some say it's more secure too but that would be speculative coming from me -- haven't researched it. [05:01] <Alex[RM-UK] > oo it's taking ages to install gedit [05:01] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : now why would you want to do that ;-) [05:01] <christin> aprokryphos: thanks! :-) i forgot the " / " [05:01] <Alex[RM-UK] > not sure really lol, [05:01] <apokryphos> !kate [05:01] <ubotu> well, kate is KDE's advanced multi-view text-editor good for things from viewing the HTML source of a site, to hanlding advanced coding in C++, PHP and XML. See http://kate.kde.org [05:01] <wellso> i like gedit [05:01] <Alex[RM-UK] > I know what kate is, and gedit [05:02] <apokryphos> christin: no worries. As a note, you can use TAB for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC [05:02] <Alex[RM-UK] > loads of commands on Ubuntus support uses gedit, and I keep having to change it to nano. and it's a pain in the le'derier [05:02] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : then it follows that you would use kate ;-) [05:02] <wellso> i'll happily use kate tho [05:02] <Alex[RM-UK] > Wow, has ATI actually made a GUI install?! [05:03] <wellso> apokryphos: nice tip (TAB) [05:03] <Alex[RM-UK] > im following this guide http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495 and I did it a few months ago and it never came up with a GUI install before [05:03] <wellso> i wish i never bought an ATI [05:03] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol [05:03] <wellso> peice of shit [05:03] <Alex[RM-UK] > there not, very good cards [05:03] <kay> really? [05:03] <Alex[RM-UK] > just not for linux [05:04] <wellso> yeah, its fine in windoze based games etc. [05:04] <buz> r200? [05:04] <apokryphos> what other disadvantages are there other than composite stuff in X.org? [05:04] <buz> ati cards are a pain with linux [05:04] <lscd> buz: the r200 based cards, like the 9200, 9250, etc, have oss accelerated drivers [05:04] <lscd> the r300 ones only have the proprietary drivers for 3d accel [05:04] <buz> well i got a few 9000 [05:04] <kay> I have an ATI with no trouble for some time now [05:04] <wellso> im unsure of my core [05:04] <wellso> 9600 [05:04] <buz> but the nvidias are better [05:04] <lscd> so, the 9600, 9800, etc are a pain [05:04] <buz> 9600 -> r3XX [05:04] <wellso> :( [05:05] <kay> 9600 is OK for me, what is the problem? [05:05] <lscd> buz: yeah.... but i hate the idea of running closed source video drivers [05:05] <buz> mhh i dont really care [05:05] <lscd> kay: closed drivers; try running that 9600 with hardware accel on linux on mac hardware [05:05] <wellso> lack of 3d accelleration [05:05] <lscd> buz: eh, for userspace apps i don't care, but my kernel? ergh [05:05] <buz> i rather have open source in user space [05:05] <buz> i don't go about installing linuxbios either ;) [05:06] <kay> But without the games, I totally have no need for accelerated 3D [05:06] <buz> as long as it's free and works reasonably well i'm not going to care much [05:06] <buz> it's not like i'm going to hack graphics drivers, ever [05:06] <kay> I guess few people have... and then, what are the studios using now in their Linux? [05:06] <lscd> buz: yeah, i'm always tempted to, but then i go back to reality ;) [05:06] <lscd> kay: nvidia, so there's serious effort in making the nvidia drivers better [05:07] <buz> apokryphos: fish seems nice [05:07] <buz> will try next time i'm about to use sftp [05:07] <lscd> ati just used to be more cooperative, and i've not been able to stomach the thought of switching to nvidia yet [05:07] <apokryphos> cool [05:07] <Alex[RM-UK] > tada, gotta restart [05:07] <buz> kioslaves rock [05:07] <kay> I used the ATI, because it has a passive cooling and decent performanced [05:08] <buz> there are passively cooled gf6600 now [05:08] <buz> even 6800 but i doubt that works so well [05:08] <wellso> i am tempted to get a 6600gt [05:08] <buz> well i figured theres no point [05:08] <kay> buz: Once FUSE makes it into the kernel, the KIO slaves will be available to cp even, THEN it will be invinceable [05:08] <Aapzak> ati is also a pain with xinerama [05:08] <wellso> damn ATI to hell [05:09] <buz> xinerama is a pain anyhow [05:09] <buz> why cant the stupid thing merge different screens like windows can [05:09] <lscd> yeah [05:09] <buz> without any oversized virtual screen weirdness [05:09] <buz> i've come to only more use the 20" lcd [05:09] <Aapzak> I had a nice 9800Pro, I sold it with a big loss and bought a 6800LE cheap. Thatone is just as fast as the 9800Pro even without tweaking it up [05:09] <buz> the 17" is just standing there not being used [05:10] <kay> Pity, buz [05:10] <buz> yeah it sucks [05:10] <lscd> yeah, that does [05:10] <buz> but less than running a gorgeous 1600 display at 1280 [05:10] <Aapzak> in windows you can open some pipes and vertex shaders and the 6800LE rocks! [05:10] <nxv_> is there a problem with kopete's history? i have the plugin activated but wenn i rightklick a contact ans select history nothing is displayed [05:10] <buz> well if i was a gamer still, i'd get the gf6600 [05:10] <buz> this way, the r200 is good enough [05:10] <apokryphos> nxv_: it should work fine [05:11] <lscd> buz: yeah, 3d accel works sufficiently for tuxracer [05:11] <apokryphos> nxv_: are you sure you have a history with the person you're right-clicking on? [05:11] <Aapzak> ati is good enough if you have no need for 3d power and no need for more than one screen [05:11] <apokryphos> nxv_: since you enabled the plugin [05:11] <wellso> very true [05:11] <lscd> i've not been able to get some non-game opengl stuff to work nicely, especially 32-bit apps on my amd64 running a 64-bit os though :/ [05:11] <wellso> depends on what you want from your box [05:11] <nxv_> apokryphos: yes, in jabba as well as in icq, tried several contacts [05:11] <Aapzak> but then again, a matrox g400 would be good enough too [05:11] <buz> anybody knows if nvidia can do different resolutions with multi head? [05:11] <apokryphos> nxv_: oh, it might only be supported for MSN plugin at the mo [05:12] <buz> i might just get another 20" lcd otherwise [05:12] <buz> they've become reasonably cheap [05:12] <Aapzak> buz: I think it should be possible. \ [05:12] <buz> they claim it to be possible with ati as well [05:12] <Aapzak> :) [05:12] <lscd> meh...... i should set up dual-head on my ati [05:12] <Aapzak> ati sucks on linux [05:12] <buz> well maybe it is [05:12] <lscd> i have the cards, i have the monitors, i have the adaptor [05:12] <buz> so have i [05:13] <kay> Well, I find that ATI statements far too general [05:13] <buz> but it suuuucks [05:13] <lscd> buz: true [05:13] <buz> i had it working [05:13] <lscd> my sister's machines always have nvidia, and they're smoother, though i've not tried dual-heading them [05:13] <buz> but driving lcds outside native resolution suxors [05:13] <lscd> yeah [05:13] <nxv_> apokryphos: u mean it doesn't work with icq protocol? [05:13] <lscd> my 22" is a crt for a reason ;) [05:14] <kay> The image quality of Nvidea and ATI is e.g. a lot worse than Matrox [05:14] <apokryphos> nxv_: it may not; I haven't tried it. You could ask in #kopete [05:14] <buz> damn crts use too much power and above all space [05:14] <kay> Only that I never saw Parhelia become buyable. [05:14] <Aapzak> buz: I thought the nvidia linux drivers were just as good as Windows drivers, right? in that case you should be able to run diff resolutions [05:14] <wellso> im on the verge of buying a tft [05:14] <buz> who cares, i use dvi anyway ;) [05:14] <lscd> buz: true... but i like to be able to switch resolutios [05:14] <kay> For games, LCDs are normally suboptimal [05:14] <buz> Aapzak: i think it's, as always, an X issue more than anything else [05:14] <buz> i stopped gaming years ago [05:14] <wellso> yeah, need a fast response [05:15] <_StarScream> Aapzak: what can't the nvidia drivers do? [05:15] <wellso> -16 ms [05:15] <buz> 25ms is just fine for me [05:15] <kay> They always tell untruths about that [05:15] <Aapzak> I've ran xinerama over 2 cards, with diff resolutions, that worked [05:15] <_StarScream> lscd: september i think , and it will be 6.9 / 7.0 release [05:15] <buz> Aapzak: do you have that xorg.conf around? [05:15] <Aapzak> nope [05:15] <buz> X11R7 w000t [05:15] <lscd> _StarScream: ahh.. good, any idea if they're still planning to allow people to add input devices/monitors on the fly? [05:15] <Aapzak> long time ago [05:16] <Aapzak> but ... X -configure prolly figures it out himself [05:16] <_StarScream> lscd: no idea...6.9 is an upgrade to the current x.org and 7.0 will be the new modular x.org [05:16] <buz> Aapzak: didnt do for me at all [05:16] <lscd> _StarScream: hmm, ok [05:16] <Aapzak> no? [05:16] <buz> wenn is 7 slated for release [05:16] <buz> might have been ati crap though [05:16] <_StarScream> buz: read up ^^ [05:16] <Aapzak> works here everytime, except for the mouse [05:16] <kay> Well, with Breezy there is already some pre-7 stuff [05:16] <buz> simultaneous release? [05:17] <buz> mhh nice [05:17] <kay> Yeah, same time [05:17] <_StarScream> yeh [05:17] <_StarScream> should be good [05:17] <buz> is there any chance we'll get workable Xgl soon [05:17] <kay> Now, xserver-xorg depends on like 100 packages [05:17] <_StarScream> not sure, but XAA is getting an overhaul [05:17] <_StarScream> so composite should run on older hardware [05:17] <kay> I read about demo working, buz [05:18] <_StarScream> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2005-June/008356.html [05:19] <kay> It is exciting times for X11 [05:20] <apokryphos> What actual gnome apps are there? [05:20] <buz> apokryphos: evolution [05:21] <buz> kay: any ubuntu debs for it? [05:21] <buz> i wanna see the wobbly windows [05:21] <buz> and maybe composite that's fast enough [05:21] <kay> Oh well, Breezy has modularized xorg [05:21] <kay> And I am using it, just not with composite, which is no more stable or so I am told [05:22] <apokryphos> buz: is that for definite? And it's not just GTK? [05:22] <buz> apokryphos: not entirely sure, but seeing that it's from ximian... [05:22] <kay> xchat, abiword, gnumeric [05:22] <apokryphos> xchat is GTK, for sure. [05:23] <buz> kompose would be a nice feature (not as good as expose but it would do) if it was faster [05:23] <kay> ok, then remove xchat-gnome from ubuntu, apokryphos [05:23] <kay> buz: Kompose is fast, that is not the problem [05:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hey, [05:23] <apokryphos> kay: why? [05:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > how do I back up my Kmenu ...menu items? [05:23] <buz> fast? [05:23] <buz> i dont think it's fast at all on my machine [05:24] <Alex[RM-UK] > I do not trust this kemnu edit, previously it has let me done 100% [05:24] <kay> apokryphos: Because that package existing, it is just that xchat can be compiled against GTK only and Gnome too [05:24] <buz> but i dont have composite atm [05:24] <kay> I am using KDE for a long time already. [05:24] <kay> But to be fair, back then, KDE had the better infrastructure, but no good apps, everything was at least GTK [05:25] <apokryphos> kay: I'm thinking of an app that is actually a gnome app, necessarily [05:25] <kay> Now this is changing, but still, there are about a lot of Gnome apps [05:25] <kay> apokryphos: The thing is, Gnome does not have much infrastructure [05:25] <buz> apokryphos: nautilus? [05:25] <apokryphos> buz: ah yeah, probably. [05:25] <kay> apokryphos: So, to be a Gnome app, you only need to use GTK for the largest part. [05:25] <buz> it sucks bad enough anyway [05:26] <apokryphos> kay: that's what it seems to be, but it's obv. not strictly correct [05:26] <kay> Yeah, indeed [05:26] <apokryphos> kay: they even assume this when they talk about apps on their site [05:26] <kay> A lot of what is in kdelibs for KDE is in GTK for Gnome [05:26] <Fraeon> Does composite work with the latest ati drivers, by the way? [05:26] <buz> Fraeon: it didnt do much for me [05:26] <apokryphos> Yes, but not well. [05:26] <buz> i got to see something, but it was slooooow [05:27] <jake1> ok... i have an error message that i would like help fixing [05:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > How do I backup my Kemnu Menu Items?? [05:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > I do not trust MEnu Edtior as it has left me down before, [05:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > and I dont want to lose my menu items [05:28] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : have you checked the kicker handbook? [05:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > no [05:28] <kay> hm... no idea Alex[RM-UK] [05:28] <jake1> "Composite extension not fount You must use XOrg>6.8 for translucency and shadows to work. Additionally, you need to add a new section to your X config file: Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Enable" EndSection" [05:28] <jake1> i get that message everytime on startup [05:29] <jpatrick> jake1: go to the xorg.conf file and edit it [05:29] <kay> The thing is, so far no X-server is stable with that [05:29] <Alex[RM-UK] > apokryphos, no I havn't [05:29] <TestMAD> jake1: add what it says to the bottom of you xorg.conf [05:29] <jake1> jpatrick which dir is it in? [05:29] <Alex[RM-UK] > checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! [05:29] <kay> you could grep .kde for a string you know there is in [05:29] <Alex[RM-UK] > what does that mean? [05:29] <kay> grep -re "some text" ~/.kde [05:29] <jpatrick> here: /etc/X11 [05:30] <jake1> X-dev i think Alex[RM-UK] [05:30] <kay> x-dev it is [05:30] <Alex[RM-UK] > what? [05:30] <kay> apt-get install x-dev [05:30] <jake1> you need that package [05:30] <jake1> apt-get install x-dev [05:30] <Alex[RM-UK] > ok [05:30] <jake1> err sudo apt-get install x-dev [05:31] <jake1> password: ******* [05:31] <kay> Clever password [05:31] <jake1> then hit "y" [05:31] <jake1> thanx [05:33] <Alex[RM-UK] > configure: error: We need a working libXext to proceed. Since configure [05:33] <Alex[RM-UK] > can't find it itself, we stop here assuming that make wouldn't find [05:33] <Alex[RM-UK] > them either. [05:33] <Alex[RM-UK] > does that mean I need to tell it were KDE is? [05:33] <jake1> sudo apt-get install libXext [05:33] <jake1> err... hld on actually [05:33] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol thanks :) [05:34] <Alex[RM-UK] > Reading package lists... Done [05:34] <Alex[RM-UK] > Building dependency tree... Done [05:34] <Alex[RM-UK] > E: Couldn't find package libXext [05:34] <jake1> i think that libXext is a different package [05:34] <jake1> hld on [05:34] <Alex[RM-UK] > yeh, [05:35] <jake1> what are you trying to compile? [05:35] <Alex[RM-UK] > Lipstick 1.2 skin, theme [05:35] <jake1> sudo apt-get install libxext-dev [05:35] <Alex[RM-UK] > :) [05:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > checking for libXext... no [05:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > configure: error: We need a working libXext to proceed. Since configure [05:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > can't find it itself, we stop here assuming that make wouldn't find [05:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > them either. [05:36] <mart> bah, why would firefox not render any fonts? [05:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hum. [05:37] <jake1> damn,... i closed the error message so i dnt know what is a new line and not for adding those to my xorg.conf file [05:38] <jake1> did you install it ? [05:38] <Alex[RM-UK] > hum? [05:38] <Alex[RM-UK] > me? [05:38] <jake1> yea [05:38] <Alex[RM-UK] > ahh, sorry [05:39] <Alex[RM-UK] > checking for libXext... no [05:39] <Alex[RM-UK] > configure: error: We need a working libXext to proceed. Since configure [05:39] <Alex[RM-UK] > can't find it itself, we stop here assuming that make wouldn't find [05:39] <Alex[RM-UK] > them either. [05:39] <jake1> yea ok... [05:39] <Alex[RM-UK] > I installed the packages but it came up with same error, [05:39] <jake1> did you do the sudo apt-get install libxext-dev [05:39] <Alex[RM-UK] > yep [05:40] <jake1> bleh this happened to me a couple days ago [05:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > ahh, so im not the odd one out then ^^ [05:40] <jake1> i dnt know if i remember what i did [05:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > :( shame [05:40] <jake1> let me refer to 'history' [05:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > ok [05:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > ./configure --prefix=/opt/kde maybe? [05:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > nope [05:42] <jake1> 71 ./configure [05:42] <jake1> 72 sudo apt-get install libXext [05:42] <jake1> 73 sudo apt-get install libXext-dev [05:42] <jake1> 74 sudo apt-get install libXext-dev [05:42] <jake1> 75 ./configure [05:42] <jake1> that was my history [05:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > 72 sudo apt-get install libXext [05:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > think I need that..hang on [05:43] <jake1> that does not exist [05:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > ahh, thats why then [05:43] <jake1> it's the last one you need [05:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > hum, it's there [05:43] <jake1> mkay then [05:43] <jake1> i g2g nows [05:43] <jake1> off to the ocean [05:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > ok, cya thanks [05:47] <Hamster> Hi, can anyone help me sort out root access (yes I've read the wiki rootsudo article)? [05:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > what do you mean? [05:48] <_courtney> heh [05:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > I know nothing :( [05:49] <Hamster> I"m running kubuntu. When I open a konsole window and type `su -`, it tells me authentication failed. I'm desperately trying to get su - to work. [05:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > you need to set up a admin password [05:49] <nikkia> Hamster: use sudo -s instead [05:50] <nikkia> or sudo -i to duplicate su - functionality [05:50] <Hamster> by that do you mean a root password? Cause if that's the case, root has a password. I can log in as root on a terminal window (ie ctrl-alt-1) [05:50] <Alex[RM-UK] > ah, [05:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > What does this mean? [05:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > configure: WARNING: libjpeg not found. disable JPEG support. [05:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1 (20021021)) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! [05:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. [05:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > qt I ned the qt package, but the eror above it [05:51] <Hamster> nikkia: that worked a treat, thanks - does that mean that under (k)ubuntu, su - will simply never work? [05:51] <nikkia> Hamster: *shrug* su isn't recommended on [k] ubuntu anyway [05:52] <Hamster> ok :-) I guess I'll have to get used to doing things differently. thanks. [05:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > what QT package should I download? [05:52] <Hamster> Alex[RM-UK] : you need qt-devel if you're tying to compile something [05:52] <thoreauputic> Hamster: you can make it work - but what would be the point? [05:52] <Hamster> thoreauputic: the point has now become an exercise in learning. I want to make it work so that I learn how to make it work and so I learn better how (k)ubuntu works. And I really would like to get it working! [05:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > there is no [05:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > no qt-devel [05:53] <thoreauputic> Hamster: very eloquent :) [05:53] <nikkia> Hamster: the thing is, 'su' is considered a security hole, so all you'd be learning is how to make your system less secure [05:53] <nikkia> Hamster: its a bit like saying 'how do i install some spyware' on windows :) [05:53] <nikkia> it might be something interesting to learn, but ultimately, its a bit pointless :) [05:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > thats not hard, windows come pre-installed with spyware :S [05:54] <thoreauputic> Hamster: you *can* do " sudo passwd root " to set a root password - but it's "deprecated" as they say ;) [05:54] <nikkia> alex, no it doesn't... i like linux as much as the next person, but outright lies don't help the cause [05:54] <Hamster> Alex[RM-UK] : qt3-devel then. try apt-cache search --names-only qt [05:55] <Hamster> thoreauputic: the root password is already enabled. I can "see" it in /etc/shadow and I can log in as root on a tty [05:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > nikkia, so how come with I run ad-ware after a fresh install of windows it picks spyware up? [05:55] <nikkia> alex, because it obviously wasn't 'fresh' [05:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > even when it's a new hard drive? [05:55] <thoreauputic> Hamster: well, odd that su isn't working then, agreed [05:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > when I havn't even connected to the net? [05:55] <Hamster> thoreauputic: so even with a root password set, in konsole, `su -` doesn't work at all. which is why I'm a touch confused. [05:55] <thoreauputic> Hamster: right I see [05:55] <Hamster> thoreauputic: aaaah so the problem is somehow with me then? Typical :-) [05:56] <nikkia> alex, name the spyware 'detected' and i'll be more prone to believe you [05:56] <Alex[RM-UK] > alexc or something like that [05:56] <thoreauputic> Hamster: was that sarcasm or an Eeyore impersonation ? ;-) [05:56] <nikkia> alex, alexis ? [05:56] <Alex[RM-UK] > yeh [05:56] <nikkia> that most certainly isn't on a legal windows install [05:56] <Alex[RM-UK] > well it's on mine and it's legal [05:56] <nikkia> alex, then you connected to the net [05:57] <nikkia> or are just plain lying, one or the other [05:57] <Hamster> thoreauputic: it was a self deprecating comment to illustrate the historical notion that I always seem to manage to break something without even touching it! :-) [05:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > nope, seriosuly, when ever I re-install windows I am NEVEr connected to net, [05:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > even when it;s a new hard drive I have that alexis [05:57] <thoreauputic> Hamster: ah, an Eeeyore impersonation then ! [05:57] <Hamster> thoreauputic: I think I have more in common with Piglet though! [05:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > that's why I said it comes with spyware, sorry [05:58] <thoreauputic> Hamster: hahah [05:58] <nikkia> alex, alexis is most certainly not installed by a genuine windows install CD [05:58] <thoreauputic> Hamster: piglet is rather sweet :) [05:58] <Alex[RM-UK] > mine must not be genuine then :S [05:58] <Alex[RM-UK] > hum, still no qt3-devel [05:59] <Hamster> now I'm having odd root troubles. Root from the tty has the correct keyboard, root from sudo -s doesn't. Sigh. [05:59] <thoreauputic> Hamster: try sudo -i [06:01] <Hamster> thoreauputic: just did. same problem. I'm going nuts here! [06:01] <Hamster> It's got the keyboard mapping wrong.. [06:01] <thoreauputic> Hamster: hmm - how did you manage to get into this mess in the first place, I'm wondering ? [06:02] <Hamster> thoreauputic: pure, unadulterated skill :-) [06:02] <Hamster> aaah sorted. It's a konsole issue I think [06:02] <thoreauputic> Hamster: indeed, it is a remarkable feat ! [06:02] <Hamster> some people are just born with it I guess ;-) [06:03] <thoreauputic> Hamster: the rest of us can only watch in awe of your prowess ;) [06:03] <Hamster> do you think I should start touring the lecture circuit? demonstrate these abilities? [06:04] <thoreauputic> Hamster: I'm sure there's a market for it in the USA [06:04] <Hamster> wow. overseas travel to boot! [06:04] <thoreauputic> there is for everything else it seems... [06:06] <Hamster> ok, editing xorg.conf fixed the keyboard problem it seems [06:07] <thoreauputic> Hamster: you're slipping - you aren't supposed to get it right, you know: it's so out of character [06:08] <thoreauputic> ;-) [06:08] <Hamster> well, stand by, I'm going to try upgrading to kde342 now. I'm *bound* to screw that up [06:08] <thoreauputic> heheh [06:08] <Hamster> I'm using kubuntu in the first place cause my debian sid install got hosed trying to upgrade to 341. A nice cyclic dependency problem. [06:08] <thoreauputic> Hamster: KDE 342 ? You have ab impressive time machine there ! [06:09] <thoreauputic> *an [06:09] <Hamster> aah, yes. It's in the attic. [06:09] <Hamster> Draws a lot of power, but its quite neat! [06:10] <Hamster> vista!! Viruses, Insecurities, Spyware, Trojans, Adware! [06:10] <thoreauputic> hahaha [06:10] <thoreauputic> good one! [06:11] <Hamster> or... Various Improvements Similar To Apple [06:11] <thoreauputic> another winner! [06:11] <Hamster> is that a piece of mental paper? [06:11] <apokryphos> What's the current date for Longhorn? [06:11] <Hamster> 3010 or something [06:12] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: Longhorn is dating Bill Gates last I heard ... [06:12] <apokryphos> Got the Beta, but don't have anywhere to install it yet ;) [06:12] <apokryphos> Hah. [06:12] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: /dev/null [06:13] <wellso> lol [06:13] <Hamster> ok, here's another question about kubuntu - during the install process when you can choose apt mirrors, the mirror list only goes down to countries starting with G. Is this normal? (5.04) [06:13] <apokryphos> a few of the newer screenshots aren't looking too bad [06:13] <apokryphos> a lot better than the earlier ones, suffice it to say [06:13] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: bottle blondes can look OK too [06:13] <Hamster> ewwwww thoreauputic ! [06:13] <thoreauputic> heheh [06:13] <apokryphos> few here: http://www.flexbeta.net/main/comments.php?catid=1&shownews=13839 [06:14] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: I'm reminded of beer goggles :| [06:14] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hum, I just compiled the Lispstik 1.2 theme, but how do I use it? [06:14] <apokryphos> I really like the page chosen for display on IE there [06:14] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : select it from kcontrol [06:14] <Alex[RM-UK] > it's not there [06:15] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : theme or style? [06:15] <Alex[RM-UK] > no idea, [06:15] <apokryphos> or window decoration, actually [06:15] <Alex[RM-UK] > Type: Theme/Style for KDE 3.2 + [06:15] <apokryphos> did you specify the kde prefix on the configure? [06:15] <Alex[RM-UK] > nope, [06:15] <Alex[RM-UK] > do I need to? [06:15] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: 'night [06:15] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : yes [06:15] <thoreauputic> night all :) [06:15] <Hamster> thoreauputic: night! [06:15] <Alex[RM-UK] > ahh nickers, can I still do that even know it's installed [06:15] <Alex[RM-UK] > night [06:16] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : nah... do sudo make uninstall there then reconfigure [06:16] <Hamster> is it normal when upgrading to kde 342 that several packages, like kdebase get held back? [06:16] <apokryphos> Hamster: no. Did you do sudo apt-get upgrade? [06:18] <Hamster> yes. I've added the source to sources.list, did apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and I'm getting hold backs on kdeadmin, kdebase, kdegraphics, multimedia, network, pim and utils. are they meta packages or something? [06:18] <Alex[RM-UK] > still not there, but Im not sure if it's install corectly [06:18] <apokryphos> kdepim is [06:18] <Alex[RM-UK] > make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/alex/.local/share/Trash/files/lipstik-1.2/style' [06:18] <Alex[RM-UK] > make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/alex/.local/share/Trash/files/lipstik-1.2/style' [06:18] <Alex[RM-UK] > make[1] : Entering directory `/home/alex/.local/share/Trash/files/lipstik-1.2' [06:18] <Alex[RM-UK] > make[2] : Entering directory `/home/alex/.local/share/Trash/files/lipstik-1.2' [06:18] <Alex[RM-UK] > make[2] : Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'. [06:18] <Alex[RM-UK] > make[2] : Nothing to be done for `install-data-am'. [06:18] <Alex[RM-UK] > make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/alex/.local/share/Trash/files/lipstik-1.2' [06:18] <Alex[RM-UK] > make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/alex/.local/share/Trash/files/lipstik-1.2' [06:18] <Alex[RM-UK] > thats part of the make install [06:18] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : use a pastebin, please :) [06:18] <Alex[RM-UK] > a wa? [06:18] <apokryphos> that is correct, yes, no errors [06:18] <apokryphos> !pastebin [06:18] <ubotu> somebody said pastebin was at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood [06:19] <Alex[RM-UK] > !pastebin [06:19] <Alex[RM-UK] > whats taht do?? [06:19] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : check the links provided [06:19] <Hamster> apokryphos: no errors on the update [06:19] <apokryphos> Hamster: once the whole update is done, though, try logging back into kde and run a kde-config --version [06:20] <Alex[RM-UK] > http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/845 [06:20] <Hamster> apokryphos: dpkg -l | grep kdebase says 3.4.0-0 ubuntu metapackage. [06:20] <apokryphos> Hamster: you sure you got the 3.4.2 repo in there? [06:20] <Hamster> the component packages are getting upgraded though I think, so I'll do the upgrade and see what happens!! [06:21] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : the make install gives no errors, as you can see [06:21] <Alex[RM-UK] > oh, so thats ok? [06:21] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : I do believe lipstik is a style, so go to kcontrol -> Appearance and Themes -> Style [06:21] <Hamster> yes. apt-cache show kdebase shows version 4:3.4.2 [06:21] <Alex[RM-UK] > it ha sLipstick there, but not 1.2 [06:22] <Alex[RM-UK] > maybe I need to restart K as it may of overwriten the current Lipstick? [06:22] <Alex[RM-UK] > ahhhh really? [06:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > Lipstick 1.2? [06:27] <apokryphos> !info kde-style-lipstik [06:27] <ubotu> kde-style-lipstik: (The Lipstik style for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 1.0-2ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 80 kB, Installed size: 308 kB [06:27] <apokryphos> hm, nope. [06:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > ow :( [06:27] <apokryphos> Hamster: what happens if you do sudo apt-get install kdebase [06:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hamster, do you want KDE 3.4.2 ? [06:27] <Hamster> apokryphos: too late. I just hit Y on the upgrade option. And yes, I want 342 :-) [06:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > have you added the extra links in? [06:27] <apokryphos> Hamster: yeah, no worries... we can do it after [06:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > all I did to update was go to Kynaptic, then click Update all [06:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > and I got 3.4.2 [06:27] <Hamster> I'm too wary of updating kde while kde is running. that's why I'm doing it from the CLI [06:27] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : what commands did you put exactly, for installing lipstik? [06:27] <wellso> to upgrade do i just add the link from above into my repositories? [06:27] <wellso> should i comment any lines out? [06:27] <apokryphos> wellso: no commenting needed. Just add it, then sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade [06:27] <wellso> excellent [06:27] <wellso> thanks [06:27] <Hamster> apokryphos: don't you go nuts having to prefix each command with sudo? That's why i was rather keen to get `su -` working :) [06:27] <apokryphos> Hamster: generally not, since most my stuff is done without root permissions. It's a pain to switch in and exit constantly, for me. [06:27] <Hamster> apokryphos: fair enough :) I tend to work in a root login a fair bit, compiling stuff and so forth, so for me its far easier to have a root shell somewhere and just type commands without having to prefix them all with sudo all the time! :) [06:27] <wellso> it promotes a good habit for noobs like me [06:28] <apokryphos> Hamster: you shouldn't really compile as root, though. [06:28] <Hamster> wellso, absolutely, but the true power of any system is being able to switch such things off when the time is appropriate [06:28] <wellso> does sudo -s do it? [06:28] <apokryphos> Hamster: of course, and sudo -s is for that [06:28] <wellso> cool [06:28] <apokryphos> wellso: I believe Hamster was having keymap problems though [06:28] <Hamster> apokryphos: yes, I'm aware of that philosophy, but there are reasons why I do. And it's nice to be able to work as accustomed. [06:28] <insanekane> imho, the wierd thing about sudo is that it doesn't inherit some of the current environment (eg http_proxy env variable) ... what do u think apokryphos ? [06:29] <Hamster> apokryphos: keymap problem fixed. it was an X problem. [06:29] <insanekane> nikkia: :) [06:29] <apokryphos> Hamster: oh, what was it down to? [06:29] <apokryphos> insanekane: I think it's a dodgy thing on many things, but I prefer it with its quirks to not using it. [06:30] <Hamster> for reason's I'll never understand, the installer put the keyboard layout as "gb" in xorg.conf instead of "us", despite choosing US layout during the install process [06:30] <Hamster> gah. reasons. [06:30] <nikkia> insanekane: su - inherits even less :P [06:30] <apokryphos> Hamster: weird indeed. But I believe in configuration you have to specify twice, or perhaps not. In sudo dpkg-reconfigure it seems like you have to [06:30] <insanekane> nikkia: hehe :) [06:31] <insanekane> apokryphos: of course :) i too use it quite a bit :) [06:31] <Hamster> *sigh* kdelibs-data failed [06:31] <wellso> anyone had any problems with KDE 3.4.2? [06:31] <Hamster> wellso, my problem is I can't install it :) [06:31] <wellso> lol [06:31] <insanekane> apokryphos: do u know of any method by which i can export some variables to the sudo environment ? like the http_proxy mentioned above ... [06:31] <apokryphos> Hamster: try doing sudo apt-get -f install [06:31] <insanekane> wellso: me, none so far [06:32] <wellso> notice any improvements? [06:32] <nikkia> insanekane: i imagine the *proxy env variables are specifically removed because they can be used for evil [06:32] <nikkia> insanekane: sudo removes a lot of env variables it considers 'dangerous' [06:33] <apokryphos> insanekane: not without guessing [06:33] <Hamster> ok, now I am confused. kdelibs-data returned a dpkg error, yet kde 342 has loaded fine. [06:33] <apokryphos> wellso: a lot of bufixes [06:33] <Hamster> kcontrol is missing from the kmenu! [06:33] <apokryphos> Hamster: that's down to kdelibs not installing properly, I wouldn't worry yet [06:33] <wellso> apokryphos: excellent, i hope my konq does not crash now [06:33] <apokryphos> Hamster: nor woudl I use your KDE until it's sorted [06:33] <Hamster> apokryphos: ok! I won't :-) It seems to be working ok though. [06:34] <Hamster> ooh ok. I'll drop back to terminal and stop kdm then. [06:34] <apokryphos> Hamster: try get all the 3.4.2 packages sorted [06:34] <wellso> anyone use bluetooth with KDE? [06:34] <pakos> Hamster: For kcontrol visibility in the menu, edit /usr/share/applications/kde/KControl.desktop, look at the last line [06:34] <nikkia> wellso, yes [06:35] <wellso> i have it semi-working [06:35] <apokryphos> Hm, kdebluetooth stuff isn't in repos yet -- there's a user repo with it flying about though [06:35] <wellso> my USB dongle (generic thing off ebay) can detect my phone, but getting it to transfer/recieve files is confusing [06:36] <nikkia> wellso, you really need to follow kdebluetooth's instructions about replacing the bluez-pin setting :P [06:36] <nikkia> otherwise, most likely, bluez is asking for a pin on some non-existant terminal somewhere :) [06:36] <wellso> lol [06:37] <Hamster> ok, do I need to do the apt-get install -f to get kdelibs-data isntalled? It's saying it can't overwrite /usr/share/icons/default.kde because the file is also in package knetworkconf [06:37] <apokryphos> Hamster: try it, yes. [06:37] <nikkia> unfortunately, kdebluetooth suggests overwriting the bluez-pin file, i wouldn't recommend that, i'd recommend changing the bluez config to use kdebluetooth's pinhelper :) [06:37] <Hamster> nope [06:37] <pakos> Hamster: no, upgrade knetworkconf before [06:38] <apokryphos> ah, it's motaboy who's doing kdebluetooth stuff -- it's here: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/ubuntu/hoary/ [06:38] <Hamster> pakos, how do I upgrade just one package? [06:39] <pakos> apt-get install knetworkconf. if there is a newer version available in the repo, it will be installed [06:39] <Hamster> aaah ok. sorry. [06:39] <Hamster> <-- not too bright. [06:39] <pakos> no prob [06:39] <wellso> apokryphos: thankyou for the link [06:40] <apokryphos> wellso: just add deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/ubuntu/hoary/ ./ [06:40] <apokryphos> wellso: though there's no need to do it if you have it running already [06:40] <nikkia> wellso, i'd say step one is making sure that all your hci stuff is setup right before even worrying about kdebluetooth though [06:40] <Hamster> pakos: kdelibs-data still wont go on [06:40] <pakos> Hamster: same error? [06:40] <Hamster> pakos: yes [06:40] <apokryphos> Hamster: could you pastebin the whole error output? [06:41] <Hamster> sure [06:41] <pakos> what is apt-get policy knetworkconf saying, which version do you have now? [06:41] <wellso> nikkia: by HCI do you refere to human computer interface? [06:42] <nikkia> wellso, i mean the stuff with hcitool, hciconfig and sdptool [06:42] <wellso> nikkia: i'm not really sure what they are [06:42] <nikkia> ie, confirm that your bt dongle is 'up' (it appears a lot like a ethernet port, so you use hciconfig where you'd use ifconfig), confirm that you can scan for devices with hcitool, then confirm that you can talk to the phone with sdptool [06:43] <nikkia> wellso: give me a minute, there's a good tutorial i'm trying to find again [06:43] <wellso> nikkia: thanks [06:43] <mart> hi [06:43] <nikkia> wellso: here, read this, ignore the gentoo 'emerge' stuff at the top: http://www.andybotting.com/mediawiki/index.php/Connecting_the_T610_to_Linux,_and_other_bluetooth_adventures [06:44] <apokryphos> hi mart [06:44] <wellso> nikkia: thanks, i'll have a crack at it now [06:44] <mart> anyone know why a package would be in warty, but not hoary or breezy? [06:44] <mart> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=smlnj&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all [06:44] <nikkia> its not the tutorial i was looking for tho, so i'll see if i can find the other [06:44] <apokryphos> mart: yes. Because it wasn't created back then when warty was around. [06:44] <Hamster> pakos: the paste has been done [06:44] <apokryphos> mart: generally only security changes are backported [06:44] <insanekane> apokryphos: its in warty, but *not* in hoary :) [06:44] <apokryphos> insanekane: hehe [06:44] <pakos> Hamster: url? [06:44] <insanekane> mart: did you try universe/multiverse ? [06:45] <mart> the url above shows that its in universe [06:45] <mart> s/it's/it was/ [06:45] <apokryphos> mart: perhaps it's obsolete by another package? [06:45] <insanekane> mart: i mean, did you check hoary/breezy's universe/multiverse ? [06:45] <apokryphos> or they just haven't packaged it for no specific reason [06:45] <mart> the currect smlnj package still depends on it [06:45] <apokryphos> insanekane: yes, the package search shows it isn't there [06:45] <mart> and thats in universe [06:45] <Hamster> pakos: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/846 [06:45] <insanekane> apokryphos: aha [06:46] <mart> I'd have thought if the current smlnj is in universe, then its dependencies should be too :( [06:47] <pakos> Hamster: and did you upgrade the knetworkconf too? [06:48] <apokryphos> pakos: what does knetworkconf have to do with it? [06:48] <apokryphos> mart: if it has broken dependencies, then it's a bug. Report it to the MOTU buglist [06:48] <apokryphos> malone database, that is. [06:48] <pakos> apokryphos: the old version of knetworkconf had the file /usr/share/icons/default.kde, as the error message said. [06:49] <pakos> apokryphos: now, the new one doesn't. so if he upgrades knetworkconf before, the issue is gone. [06:49] <Hamster> pakos, yes that's been upgraded [06:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > hey, [06:49] <Hamster> pakos: she :-) [06:49] <mart> apokryphos: "MOTU"? [06:49] <apokryphos> Masters of the Universe [06:49] <pakos> Hamster: ups, sorry :-) [06:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > I have 2 hard drives, hd0 which is my Linux drive, and hd1 is my Win XP drive [06:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > hd0 is Master and hd1 is Slave [06:49] <apokryphos> mart: the people who maintain universe/multiverse [06:50] <mart> apokryphos: I guessed that, but it's not listed on the bugs page [06:50] <insanekane> apokryphos: so, MoTU doesn't maintain main/restricted ? [06:50] <pakos> Hamster: the simplest thing to do is now an sudo dpkg -i --force overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary1_all.deb, but i won't recommend this [06:50] <Alex[RM-UK] > nevermind [06:51] <apokryphos> mart: here https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs [06:51] <apokryphos> insanekane: nope [06:51] <pakos> Hamster: because when you do this, two packages will be responsible for the same file, and it's not soo good :) [06:51] <mart> apokryphos: thx [06:51] <Hamster> pakos: from dpkg : ii kdenetwork 3.4.2-0ubuntu0 [06:51] <insanekane> apokryphos: btw, just for your information, motu in hindi (an indian language) means "fat person" ;) [06:51] <nikkia> insanekane: and to pro-audio people its a company :P [06:52] <apokryphos> insanekane: haha [06:52] <insanekane> nikkia: really ? [06:52] <nikkia> insanekane: mark of the unicorn [06:52] <insanekane> nikkia: but it isn't as funny as "fat person" ;) [06:52] <nikkia> insanekane: they make audio/midi interfaces for pro-audio use [06:52] <nikkia> insanekane: www.motu.com [06:52] <insanekane> aha thanks for the info :) [06:52] <insanekane> apokryphos: :) [06:53] <pakos> Hamster: the 'bad' package is knetworkconf, not kdenetwork [06:53] <pakos> Hamster: sorry if i mistyped it before, can't remember [06:53] <pakos> Hamster: so try to upgrade knetworkconf [06:54] <Hamster> aah [06:54] <Hamster> ok [06:54] <nikkia> insanekane: their 828mkII is a real nice audio interface, but it doesn't use a Bob compatible firewire class :/ [06:55] <nikkia> (and thus has 0 linux support) [06:55] <Hamster> pakos: it says "already at the latest version" and dpkg tells me knetworkconf 0.6.1-3ubuntu2 [06:55] <insanekane> nikkia: you really like to confuse/confound me dont you ? ;) [06:55] <nikkia> insanekane: its a hobby [06:56] <insanekane> nikkia: or at least, give me an information overload :) [06:56] <insanekane> nikkia: ah ok :) [06:56] <nikkia> not a very exciting one, but a hobby nontheless [06:56] <insanekane> you are an interesting person, perhaps a bit too interesting ;) [06:56] <pakos> Hamster: i have 0.6.1-3ubuntu5, so your's is obviously old :) let's see. [06:57] <pakos> Hamster: have you deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main in your sources.list? [06:58] <Hamster> pakos: oh! it appears I don't, but I have two entries for hoary-security [06:59] <Hamster> fixing now [06:59] <pakos> Hamster: ok. per default it's not there - dunny why, because it fixes some annoying things, for example the crashing of kaffeine at exit [06:59] <Hamster> aaah ok. adding now [07:00] <Hamster> pakos: we've graduated to a new error message! :-) [07:01] <pakos> Hamster: great! let's see :-) [07:01] <Hamster> pakos, no need, doing the kdelibs-data install again fixed it!!! You're a legend :) [07:02] <pakos> Hamster: :-) [07:02] <Hamster> w00t! :-) [07:03] <wellso> hi again ppl [07:03] <Hamster> hey wellso, how's it goig? [07:04] <wellso> just got 3.4.2 installed [07:04] <Hamster> I'll be a money's uncle!! My su - problem has solved itself too :) Now I AM happy :-) [07:04] <wellso> whats the command for the control panel? :) [07:04] <Hamster> kcontrol [07:04] <wellso> lol i was trying kpanel and getting confused [07:05] <Hamster> :)) [07:05] <Hamster> pakos, a million zillion thanks for your help [07:06] <pakos> Hamster: you're welcome :) [07:09] <Mose`> hello [07:09] <Mose`> i've a serious problem with KDesktop, could anyone help? [07:10] <pakos> just ask [07:10] <Mose`> everytime i start kubuntu, my kdesktop crashes, and i "don't have a dektop then" ,what to do? [07:10] <pakos> maybe we have your answer :) [07:10] <ztonzy> hey ;) [07:10] <ztonzy> apokryphos, :P in SimplyMepis [07:11] <apokryphos> ztonzy: enjoying it? :) [07:11] <ztonzy> apokryphos, very fast! [07:11] <ztonzy> this is just live cd [07:11] <ztonzy> everything works, java! [07:11] <ztonzy> out of the box [07:11] <ztonzy> it is fantastic [07:11] <pakos> Mose`: interesting. what version of kubuntu / kde do you have? [07:11] <Mose`> kde is 3.4.0 [07:12] <Mose`> and kubuntu 5.0.4 :} [07:12] <ztonzy> Mose`, eh what ? [07:12] <pakos> Mose`: hmm pretty old :-)) and if you restart kdesktop manually, does it chrash again? [07:12] <apokryphos> ztonzy: heh, yeah, I don't know how they do that. Ubuntu complain of copyright stuff; do MP3s work too? [07:12] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hmm, I'll check [07:12] <Mose`> how to restrt it manually? [07:13] <apokryphos> nikkia: ftp? [07:13] <pakos> Mose: k menu / run command, 'kdesktop' [07:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: sftp [07:13] <ztonzy> wondering* [07:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: they're cheap B*s and only have a 512/128 connection [07:13] <ztonzy> apokryphos, too bad "Konversation" isn't on this cd [07:14] <ztonzy> apokryphos, well not on the menus [07:14] <Mose`> hm, the run dialog doesn;t load [07:14] <pakos> Mose`: oh, yeah.. well, it's in kdesktop :-) [07:14] <nikkia> mose, that's cos... its handled by kdesktop :/ [07:14] <pakos> Mose`: can you start a konsole, and start it from there? [07:14] <nikkia> mose, its a pain when kdesktop dies, if you don't happen to have a konsole open [07:15] <nikkia> pakos, doubtful [07:15] <Mose`> it's open [07:15] <Mose`> :} [07:15] <nikkia> pakos, guess what executes menu items [07:15] <nikkia> mose, then type 'kdesktop' in konsole [07:15] <Mose`> and how to run i through konsole? [07:15] <apokryphos> nikkia: 400 still is pathetic, compared to 8meg download [07:15] <pakos> nikkia: didn't know, that it's kdesktop too [07:15] <Mose`> it crashes ... [07:15] <apokryphos> ztonzy: it's a good distro [07:15] <Mose`> mhm :/ [07:16] <nikkia> mose, the question is, why does it crash? [07:16] <ztonzy> apokryphos, you mean mepis ? [07:16] <nikkia> mose, what does it say ? [07:16] <apokryphos> ztonzy: it just doesn't have as many developers, and the community is smaller (i.e. see #mepis ) [07:16] <apokryphos> ztonzy: but it could be just fine for your needs. Yeah, mepis. [07:17] <Mose`> em, i just get a dialog that it crashed [07:17] <ztonzy> apokryphos, ack, I can't mount/load the music cd on my dvd player ...weird [07:17] <pakos> Mose`: i'll try to update the whole kde to 3.4.2 [07:17] <ztonzy> apokryphos, I know it is smaller [07:17] <ztonzy> apokryphos, or maybe Debian :P ? [07:17] <ztonzy> i am sorry [07:17] <pakos> Mose`: if it's not possible, then we could try narrow your problem [07:18] <ztonzy> tired of constant crashes in Konqueror [07:18] <apokryphos> ztonzy: did you say you made a bug report for that? [07:18] <MikeStyle> hi, umm im trying to burn the iso for windows vista to a disc i have but k3b isnt detecting my burner...and i know it can burn [07:19] <ztonzy> apokryphos, for konqueror ? does it matter ? [07:19] <apokryphos> ztonzy: someone just said they get crashes in konqueror too - -I'd recommend it [07:19] <ztonzy> hmm [07:19] <Hamster> MikeStyle: have you run the setup part of k3b? [07:20] <wellso> does mepis come with commercial drivers included? (i.e. nvidia's official gx driver), mp3 support [07:20] <MikeStyle> hamster, i dont believe i have [07:20] <Mose`> maybe i can reinstall somehow that kdesktop? :} [07:20] <Hamster> MikeStyle: give that a whirl and see if it finds it there. [07:21] <MikeStyle> hamster: how do i run that setup [07:21] <nikkia> mose, kdesktop is part of kdebase [07:21] <nikkia> mose, but its just as likely that a part of kdelibs it depends on is broken [07:22] <Mose`> mhm [07:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: tbh, i'd be more surprised if there was someone that *didn't* have konqueror crashing constantly :P [07:23] <Hamster> MikeStyle: this is embarassing. Im used to debian, and theres a separate setup programme there for k3b. [07:23] <apokryphos> nikkia: serious? In all honesty, my konqueror has crashed about twice since I installed Kubuntu [07:23] <Hamster> MikeStyle: just trying to find the equivalent in kubuntu! [07:23] <mart> k3bsetup? [07:23] <MikeStyle> Hamster: umm im confuzzled [07:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: it would crash about 2/3 times on opening, for me, and my average time browsing before crash was about 5-10 minutes [07:23] <pakos> nikkia: for me it works most of the time. one crash a week, i think.. i can't remember [07:24] <mart> likewise [07:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: hasn't crashed once since i went LFS of course... [07:24] <apokryphos> nikkia: or something that small. I use it everyday, for around 96% of browsing, and I really can't rememeber the last time it crashed [07:24] <Hamster> mart, thats what imn looking for but cant find it on my system [07:24] <Mose`> hm, so i think i'l have to reinstall whole kubuntu... [07:24] <mart> Hamster: [07:24] <mart> > $ dpkg -S bin/k3bsetup [07:24] <mart> > k3b: /usr/bin/k3bsetup [07:24] <pakos> k3bsetup is considered harmfull. it tries to do something, which is the job of the distribution. [07:24] <apokryphos> Mose`: what's the problem? [07:25] <Mose`> my kdesktop crashes everytime i start kubuntu [07:25] <Mose`> and i can't load it manually [07:25] <apokryphos> what's the error message? [07:25] <apokryphos> is this when you log into KDE, or prior? [07:25] <Hamster> mart, I do not have that binary on my machine.. and yes I do have k3b installed. [07:25] <Mose`> just a dialog appears telling me about crash [07:26] <apokryphos> Mose`: no other error message? [07:26] <Mose`> there is a windows with General and Backtrace tabs [07:26] <apokryphos> Mose`: it's worth trying to upgrade to 3.4.2 and see if you still have the error [07:27] <apokryphos> I'd also recommend using debfoster before a complete reinstall [07:27] <Mose`> and how to upgrade it? [07:27] <apokryphos> !kde342 [07:27] <ubotu> well, kde342 is at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php [07:28] <Mose`> and what is debfoster? [07:28] <Hamster> fsck! Im still having keyboard layout problems, this time in gtk apps. [07:28] <apokryphos> Mose`: it's for weeding unnecessary packages [07:28] <nikkia> woohoo, 20s left on my upload [07:29] <pakos> bye folks [07:29] <Mose`> when i copy those debs of kde 342 to my sources.list, then i should type apt-get update and then upgrade? [07:29] <mart> Hamster: this was with breezy packages [07:30] <apokryphos> Mose`: correct [07:30] <nikkia> oops [07:30] <Hamster> mart aah. [07:30] <nikkia> just wasted ages of time :P [07:30] <apokryphos> hehe [07:30] <Hamster> dh! [07:31] <chill> hey all, sorry that im that noobie, but can anyone tell me how to mount and partition a new HD? via konsole or KDE-programs? [07:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: i did 'tar zxvf new_share.tgz' and got 'not in gzip format' :P [07:32] <Mose`> hm, when i run upgrade after update it says that there is no packages to install.. [07:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: given that the bulk of the files are .png i doubt it wasted much space really [07:32] <apokryphos> Mose`: the repo wasn't added properly [07:32] <apokryphos> nikkia: png compresses, doesn't it? [07:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: using gzip, yes [07:33] <Mose`> apokryphos: have you updated to 342? [07:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: and all the images are either '-9'ed or pngcrushed, so they'll be as compressed as possible [07:33] <apokryphos> Mose`: yes [07:34] <jeffbrown> is there a gui tool in kubuntu/kde for configuring which network interfaces are brought up automatically and for interactively bringing interfaces up/down? [07:38] <apokryphos> nikkia: do you use a lot of resources from your work? Because I was thinking... why don't mose programmers work from home instead? [07:38] <apokryphos> or *most, even [07:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: i do work from home 99% of the time now [07:39] <apokryphos> oh [07:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: i only upload so i can drop it on the company's private FTP server :) [07:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: the reason i work from home is a bit sad really [07:40] <gdh> Not a single lesson, you know! :) [07:40] <apokryphos> Social interaction would be cool I guess. Decent job since you can't be late though ;-) (if that's the case) [07:40] <nikkia> target machine has 1GB of ram, and we're pretty close to filling it, my work PC has 512MB, my home PC has 1GB, when you factor in that the memory footprint of the game has been around 700-800MB, and eclipse takes up a bit, as does linux and X, debugging it in 512MB is very painful [07:41] <nikkia> i asked for another 512MB pair a year ago, i'm still waiting for my boss to get around to ordering them :P [07:41] <mart> "the game" ? [07:41] <apokryphos> nikkia: you've gotta continue dropping subtle hints, you see. [07:41] <nikkia> mart, yeah, i'm a game developer [07:42] <Hamster> nikkia: cool! :) [07:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: i have his CC number, i should just order them (in fact, when he gave me it (to order vmware 5.0 upgrade) and i didn't order the ram, he asked me wtf i hadn't emptied the account buying all kinds of stuff :P [07:43] <esac_> i seem to be missing smbmount, what do i need to install to get it ? [07:43] <apokryphos> nikkia: having a good boss helps a lot. Heard too many stories from my sister of her quittin' jobs because of bad managers [07:43] <apokryphos> ok, well only two, but still :P [07:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: i get on with mine better than most of my co-workers do, for the simple reason that we share the same tastes in music [07:44] <mart> smbfs: usr/bin/smbmount [07:44] <apokryphos> Music -- the great communicator [07:45] <wellso> ganjaking [07:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: i also greased his palm with a set of guitar strings when his snapped and he had none handy one week :P [07:45] <mart> esac: smbfs [07:45] <apokryphos> nikkia: teacher's pet! [07:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: perhaps, but perhaps i have decent job security :P [07:46] <PenguinBoy> hey [07:46] <PenguinBoy> anyone here? [07:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: when i complained about the company moving office and being a PITA for me, he told me 'we'll do anything we can to make sure you stay with us' :P [07:47] <apokryphos> nikkia: I'm sure you'd be valuable to them :P. Very good at your job? [07:47] <nikkia> apokryphos: apparently, yes [07:47] <apokryphos> nikkia: I helped my boss with typing, and doing something else on the computer for him, so he loves me enough from that ;-) [07:48] <apokryphos> nikkia: I don't realise it, but I really take fast-typing for granted. Regular people seem to be really amazed by it [07:48] <TestMAD> i hate trojans [07:48] <apokryphos> PenguinBoy: /list [07:48] <apokryphos> oop! Gotta go, people here. [07:49] <TestMAD> i knew he always tried to avoid us [07:49] <TestMAD> j/k [07:49] <nikkia> apokryphos: *nod*, sometimes i get frustrated watching other people hunt and peck :P [07:49] <nikkia> apokryphos: its like 'jeesus, you've taken 3 minutes on that line already' [07:49] <gdh> apokryphos: Rule: If you're going to break into a house and steal their interwab, make sure they're on holiday ... [07:49] <nikkia> lol [07:52] <Mose`> hrr, i put debs of kde 342 to my list, but it doesn't upgrade... [08:07] <Hamster> is there an "approved" way of adding apps to the kmenu? I want to do this as root so they're available for all users, hence I won't use kmenuedit [08:10] <mart> Hamster: you could put something in /usr/share/menu, but of course the package manager could get confused later if you have conflicts [08:11] <Hamster> right.. [08:11] <mart> it's been a long time since I looked at menu stuff though [08:11] <Hamster> so I guess there's no real official way of doing it then? [08:11] <mart> there's an update-menus program, but don't remember what it does [08:12] <mart> oh, maybe not [08:12] <mart> Hamster: /usr/local/share/menu would seem like the 'proper' place, but I don't know if that even works [08:13] <Hamster> I think you then need to run ksysbuilsyscoa or something to get them to appear [08:13] <Hamster> its been a while for me too :) [08:14] <Hamster> I've just installed a few apps and under deb they "just worked" but don't seem to under kubuntu.. [08:14] <mart> yeah, although kicker sometimes notices things going in under its feet [08:30] <nikkia> mart, its a shame [k] ubuntu doesn't use desktop-file-utils :P [08:31] <wellso> nikkia: did you manage to dig out that link by any chance? [08:31] <nikkia> wellso, no, but the one i gave you should be enough help [08:31] <mart> nikkia: I've never heard of it [08:31] <nikkia> the other one only had stuff about using sdptool, in addition to what that one had [08:31] <nikkia> mart, allows kde/gnome menus to be built automatically by looking in various paths for .desktop files [08:32] <mart> nikkia: that's what I thought update-menus did, but it doesn't seem to exist, so I don't know what I'm thinking of... [08:32] <mart> madness sets in [08:34] <mart> good grief, even xrdb has disappeared [08:35] <mart> oh, separate package now [08:37] <soebbi> Hi everybody [08:38] <wellso> nikkia: excellent, got it working [08:38] <soebbi> Is there an apt-repository with OO.org2 Base in it? [08:38] <soebbi> I mean its database app [08:40] <mart> soebbi: not that I know of, but kexi 0.9 is packaged now... [08:40] <mart> he said, hoping no one would check what channels he was in [08:41] <soebbi> hmpf [08:46] <Hamster> what's the general consensus regarding gcc4? don't touch? fine to use? [08:46] <mart> Hamster: it's compiled breezy [08:46] <Hamster> ok :) may as well give it a whirl then! [08:48] <comp7> hi all [08:49] <soebbi> mart: Where do i get kexi from? [08:49] <mart> soebbi: ah, it's only in breezy [08:50] <mart> sorry [08:50] <comp7> can someone tell me why I can see my wifi-network in kWifiManager, but cannot choose to logon to it? I automatically get logged on the the open network of my neighbour (which is really very slow...) [08:50] <wellso> lol [08:51] <soebbi> mart: I'm coming from the "pure" debian world, breezy is something like Debian's "experimental" branch? [08:51] <mart> soebbi: more unstable... :) [08:51] <comp7> not my neighbour, his network that is... [08:51] <wellso> nikkia: are you aware of any GUI frontends for the "gnome-obex-send --dest 00:12:47:1D:83:E0 filename" command? [08:51] <wellso> if i could program I would make one [08:52] <soebbi> mart: i'm quite fine with unstable, is there a way of installing this peticular package out of breezy [08:52] <soebbi> wellso: Ever tried kde-bluetooth? [08:52] <Hamster> mart: it seems the links link to v3 by default, even with 4 installed [08:53] <insanekane> soebbi: OOo base can be taken in hoary by using universe repository and installing openoffice.org2 [08:53] <insanekane> soebbi: sorry, OOo2 Base [08:53] <insanekane> soebbi: i believe you also need gcj and hsqldb for it to work though [08:54] <soebbi> insanekane: I installed OOo2 more or less completly, i don't find any executable though which looks promising [08:54] <insanekane> soebbi: open Konsole, and start oobase2 [08:55] <insanekane> soebbi: though, you wont be able to use it, if you have not install hsqldb [08:55] <soebbi> insanekane: command not found [08:55] <insanekane> (and gcj) [08:55] <insanekane> soebbi: try apt-get install openoffice.org2-base [08:55] <mart-> oops hard reset [08:55] <insanekane> soebbi: actually, sudo apt-get install openoffice.org2 should install OOo2 base as well [08:56] <insanekane> soebbi: before the apt-get install ... try apt-cache search ... (the reason im so sure, is because I have installed it also) [08:56] <soebbi> insanekane: That's definitly installed [08:56] <soebbi> I tried to search for openoffice and base...but no look [08:56] <mart> insanekane: this is hoary we're talking about [08:57] <insanekane> mart: yes hoary [08:57] <mart> insanekane: just checking :) [08:57] <insanekane> soebbi: ok, try this ... type oowriter2 ... and then, in the New menu, look for "Database" [08:58] <mart> yum, hard reset broke apt database [08:58] <soebbi> Good idea...one sec [08:58] <insanekane> soebbi: you are right, apt-cache search openoffice.org2 does not show Base [08:58] <insanekane> soebbi: but i have run Base in 1.9.79 [08:59] <soebbi> insanekane: It shows an entry "Database" [08:59] <insanekane> soebbi: well, click it :) [08:59] <soebbi> but than asks for a jre [08:59] <insanekane> soebbi: ah yes ... install gcj [09:00] <insanekane> soebbi: and hsqldb [09:00] <insanekane> or you can install non-free JRE also i believe [09:00] <insanekane> to make it work [09:00] <soebbi> gcj is ready...but what is hsqldb? [09:00] <insanekane> soebbi: HSQL = pure Java SQL Databse (embedded databsae engine) [09:00] <insanekane> soebbi: like SQLite [09:01] <mart> ah, any ideas what to do with a corrupt /var/lib/dpkg/available? [09:01] <insanekane> soebbi: i think hsqldb is not in the repos :/ [09:01] <soebbi> insanekane: aaah...thats why i can't find it :) [09:01] <insanekane> soebbi: so you may have to install manually somewhere in the classpath [09:02] <insanekane> soebbi: i think H = Hypersonic .. or some such [09:02] <soebbi> insanekane: Uuuh...now i'm leaving known ground...how do i install something from classpath? [09:02] <insanekane> soebbi: not install something "in" classpath .. [09:03] <insanekane> soebbi: basically, in Java, the Java classes are loaded only if they are in the classpath [09:03] <soebbi> insanekane: I see...so i need to downlad the db and place it somehere [09:03] <insanekane> soebbi: i believe it is explained in the Java section of the Ubuntu non-free wiki [09:03] <insanekane> soebbi: yes exactly [09:03] <insanekane> err ... Ubuntu wiki, non-free installation section [09:03] <soebbi> insanekane: Thanks a lot...i'm gonna go rtfm :) [09:03] <insanekane> soebbi: ciao :) [09:04] <insanekane> soebbi: if you are running breezy, i greatly suggest the OOo2 of breezy ... Base works out of the box [09:04] <nikkia> insanekane: it doesn't really need to be in the repos, it's just a .jar file :) [09:04] <insanekane> nikkia: indeed :) [09:04] <insanekane> nikkia: but if it is in the repos, people like soebbi need not worry about its configuration :) [09:04] <soebbi> insanekane: I'm not sure, but i think i'm running hoary [09:05] <nikkia> insanekane: there isn't any configuration [09:05] <soebbi> insanekane: Horray for apt :) [09:05] <insanekane> nikkia: configuration == installation+some other processes necessary for easy use of packages ;) [09:05] <nikkia> insanekane: the only configuration for hsql is done by the java programmer using it [09:05] <insanekane> nikkia: of course, it may not meet your exacting standards for definitions :) [09:05] <insanekane> nikkia: :P [09:06] <nikkia> and if said programmer insisted on it being an external .jar he's an idiot, stuff like that should be embedded in the distributed .jar [09:06] <insanekane> nikkia: now, you are becoming anal .. it is only becoming of a lawyer ;) [09:06] <insanekane> nikkia: not an elite programmer like yourself :) [09:08] <insanekane> soebbi: as you can see, plenty of help here re installation of Java packages ;) [09:09] <soebbi> *g* [09:11] <nikkia> the easiest solution is just to put it in the lib directory where your jre is [09:12] <nikkia> but since my remaining kubuntu machine has no java installed, i can't tell you where that is, somewhere below /usr/lib/ [09:12] <nikkia> i think its /usr/lib/j2re1.5_sun/lib or something like that [09:13] <nikkia> looks like time to restart X again, its churning cpu cycles bad [09:14] <insanekane> mart: why ? [09:14] <mart> insanekane: why do I want to write a cd, or why does it crash? [09:15] <insanekane> mart: why do you want to learn to write such a CD ? [09:15] <insanekane> mart: why do you want to learn how to write such a CD ? [09:15] <mart> it's the only cd writer I've got here [09:15] <insanekane> err [09:16] <insanekane> do you hate someone so much that you want to make such a CD and give it to him/her ? [09:16] <mart> huh? no!!! [09:16] <insanekane> ah [09:16] <insanekane> now i get it [09:17] <nikki> ? [09:17] <mart> quite a difficult problem [09:17] <insanekane> mart: indeed :) [09:18] <insanekane> nikkia: have you ever used db4o ? [09:18] <nikkia> no [09:19] <insanekane> hmm [09:21] <nikkia> gah! [09:21] <nikkia> my DSL is active, apparently [09:21] <insanekane> lucky u [09:21] <nikkia> insanekane: would be considerably more lucky if i had a DSL modem :P [09:22] <insanekane> LOL [09:22] <insanekane> indeed [09:22] <nikkia> insanekane: they claim to have sent me one a month ago, i never received it :( [09:22] <insanekane> nikkia: thats sad [09:22] <nikkia> insanekane: i'm on 2Mbps cable atm, with 8Mbps DSL sat unused :( [09:22] <insanekane> 2MBps !!! amazing [09:22] <insanekane> nikkia: would you mind telling me how much it costs to maintain such a link ? [09:23] <insanekane> nikkia: how much it costs to subscribe to such a link [09:23] <nikkia> insanekane: the cable is 25/mo i think, DSL is 29/mo after 6 mo half price [09:23] <nikkia> well, 34/mo for the DSL, i paid the extra for a static IP [09:24] <gdh_> they charge a fiver a month for a static IP? ffs... [09:25] <nikkia> gdh, at least they offer it [09:25] <nikkia> gdh, which is more than you can say for most of the providers [09:25] <gdh_> Not true. any of the ADSL ISPs I've used gave it as standard. [09:25] <gdh_> Just not the lazy ass big-names liek pipex, AOL, etc. [09:26] <nikkia> gdh, you're not confusing dhcp-with-incredibly-long-retain-times with static are you ? [09:26] <nikkia> gdh, for example, your current ISP doesn't have static IPs, just incredibly long retains [09:26] <gdh_> nikkia: No. That's cable, anyway... [09:26] <gdh_> bbiab [09:28] <gdh_> b [09:28] <gdh_> Sure UK ADSL doesn't even use DHCP :) [09:29] <nikkia> gdh, umm, yes it does [09:29] <nikkia> BT charge 10/mo for static, otherwise you get DHCP [09:29] <gdh_> No, it's all done with PPP and RADIUS. [09:30] <Hamster> nikkia: is that an additional 10 quid a month for static? [09:30] <nikkia> Hamster: from BT, yes [09:30] <gdh_> I did work for an ISP and managed their ADSL rollout.. [09:31] <gdh_> If there's any DHCP involved it's between the customer PC and any router they might have on their LAN... [09:37] <nikkia> had to reboot, X was churning cpu because i'd forgotten something when i LFS'ed :P [09:37] <nikkia> i was still using the buggy intel_agp module [09:38] <mart> does apt-file update not work in breezy? [09:53] <|QuaD-> does kubuntu breezy have special repos? or does it just use ubuntu breezys? [09:53] <sergio> hello toall [09:54] <insanekane> |QuaD-: ubuntu breezy :) [09:55] <|QuaD-> :) [09:55] <|QuaD-> my ubuntu breezy box is b0rked :( installing kubuntu on a vm on a diff machine [09:57] <kay> no, |QuaD- it is the same repository [09:57] <kay> And how is it broken? [09:58] <|QuaD-> kay: x is [09:58] <kay> how so? i am currently seeing you in X :p [09:59] <kay> Please be a bit more descriptive :) [09:59] <|QuaD-> kay: have you restarted your xserver lately? [10:00] <kay> sure [10:00] <|QuaD-> my xlibs isn't installing [10:00] <kay> What is it saying? [10:01] <kay> (It actually runs perfectly, except that xkbutils or so, was not installed and so xkbcomp was missing, given me false keyboard) [10:01] <|QuaD-> Preparing to replace xlibs 6.8.2-42 (using .../xlibs_6.8.2-43_all.deb) ... [10:01] <|QuaD-> rmdir: `/etc/X11/xkb/rules': Directory not empty [10:01] <|QuaD-> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs_6.8.2-43_all.deb (--unpack): subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 [10:01] <|QuaD-> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs_6.8.2-43_all.deb [10:01] <|QuaD-> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [10:01] <kay> You need to look what is in left there [10:02] <kay> In my case, I think xfree86.lst was a leftover [10:02] <|QuaD-> ? [10:02] <|QuaD-> i should remove stuff from there? [10:02] <kay> Remove these files as root, then try again [10:03] <|QuaD-> kay: yeah, i just did. never thought to chekc that out :) [10:03] <kay> Well, I suspected that I have this problem because I initially install a Debian pre-Sarge, then crossmigrated to Hoary and then to Breezy [10:03] <|QuaD-> i think its working [10:03] <kay> If you have the same thing as I, then it will happen a few times [10:03] <|QuaD-> hehe [10:03] <|QuaD-> alright [10:03] <|QuaD-> thanks :) [10:04] <kay> And make a note to install xkbutils [10:04] <|QuaD-> kay: when should i install it? [10:04] <kay> You know, xutils was split into many things [10:04] <|QuaD-> right [10:04] <kay> Well, whenever you want [10:04] <|QuaD-> like now? [10:04] <kay> But without it, e.g. I could not type a | [10:04] <|QuaD-> hehe [10:05] <kay> And did you see the bazillion dependencies that replace what xserver-xorg formerly was [10:05] <kay> The X in Breezy is still under heavy construction, and may have problems [10:06] <|QuaD-> yeah [10:06] <|QuaD-> i knwo [10:06] <kay> Currently, I cannot install libglu1-xorg without it wanting to remove a few things [10:06] <|QuaD-> i haven't been worried [10:07] <kay> Is your system a Hoary install? [10:07] <|QuaD-> nope, warty->hoary->breezy(current) [10:07] <kay> Ah, see, then you have xfree leftovers too [10:07] <|QuaD-> just did a kubuntu install of hoary in a msvp2004 vm [10:08] <|QuaD-> yeah [10:08] <kay> for all i know, there are also CDs of Breezy already [10:08] <kay> I never saw them, but read about it [10:09] <|QuaD-> kay: the colony cd's are out [10:10] <kay> What do they mean with Colony? [10:10] <|QuaD-> do you remember what array's were with hoary? [10:11] <kay> Ah... that confused me back then too [10:11] <|QuaD-> basically beta version [10:11] <|QuaD-> s [10:11] <kay> Using a different name in order to not make Breezy a bad one? [10:11] <|QuaD-> eh? [10:12] <kay> Must be the reason why it's not called Breezy [10:12] <|QuaD-> no, colony is like saying release 2 [10:12] <|QuaD-> so breezy colony 2 would be same as breezy beta 2 [10:13] <kay> Confusing... but hey, I don't install anymore anyway [10:13] <|QuaD-> haha yeah [10:13] <|QuaD-> so how many gtk programs are in kubuntu [10:13] <kay> Dunno, try to find one. [10:14] <|QuaD-> i don't see any [10:14] <kay> Well, synaptic must still be used. [10:14] <kay> Because ksynaptic sucks too bad. [10:15] <|QuaD-> hehe [10:15] <|QuaD-> brb [10:15] <|QuaD-> gonna restart breezy [10:15] <kay> good luck :p [10:17] <JakubS_> |QuaD-: for me it is only java and mplayer (they are not in standard kubuntu) [10:17] <JakubS_> so kubuntu is actually gtk-free :-) [10:17] <kay> Well, in so far as I know, KDE uses GTK [10:18] <kay> To achieve: accessibiliy [10:18] <kay> To use glib in e.g. artsd [10:18] <JakubS_> kay: huh? what gtk has to do with accesibility? [10:19] <kay> It has an implementation of it. Unlike Qt3 [10:19] <JakubS_> kay: and there is arts branch without glib dependency [10:19] <kay> That does not make the dependency non-existant [10:19] <kay> I wish people had more respect for the other guys. [10:20] <JakubS_> well, but it does not have anything to do with gtk (glib and arts) [10:20] <JakubS_> oh, i wish it too [10:21] <kay> Well, if you google for glib, tell me where you see that it is not part of GTK. [10:22] <JakubS_> i don't need to google [10:22] <JakubS_> glib is lower level library [10:22] <kay> Hm... it's true, gtk.org says it too [10:22] <JakubS_> providing stuff like threading and hacky OO in C [10:22] <kay> It's "developed by the GTK+ team" [10:22] <JakubS_> gtk is widget toolkit [10:22] <kay> But that is a toolkit using tools. [10:23] <kay> Oh man :p [10:23] <kay> Well, and then, what about kdebase? [10:23] <JakubS_> what about it? [10:24] <kay> Doesn't it use some things for ns plugins? [10:24] <JakubS_> yeah, header from mozilla SDK [10:24] <JakubS_> and some embedding stuff provided by Qt [10:27] <kay> Hm... I am searching the source now :p [10:28] <iuliux> had anyone manage to install the linspire theme on kubuntu (linspire clean on lde-look.org) [10:29] <satch> hi all - when I try to run debootstrap it exists after saying it can't download base-passwd - anyone know what can be done about that ? [10:29] <satch> s/exists/exits/ [10:30] <satch> running it on kubuntu 5.04 [10:31] <kay> what are you trying to bootstrap [10:31] <kay> ? [10:32] <satch> i've tried bootstrapping sid, woody, and sarge, using different repositories and same results on each [10:32] <kay> JakubS_: You are indeed right, except for glib, nothing else is needed. [10:33] <satch> anyone know what could be wrong ? [10:34] <kay> I know that Hoary failed to bootstrap Breezy [10:34] <kay> I raised that bug and it was marked "WONTFIX". [10:34] <satch> Breezy ? [10:35] <kay> Yeah sure. It was not known at the time Hoary released, and they are not putting it into hoary-updates either [10:35] <kay> Can you paste the command you use? [10:35] <satch> sure, hang on a sec [10:36] <satch> sudo debootstrap sid /mnt/cf http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/debian/ [10:36] <kay> why sudo? :) [10:36] <satch> I was doing it as my normal user [10:37] <kay> hm.... do you even need root.... checking [10:38] <satch> ok [10:38] <kay> Well, yes, apparently otherwise it is not even in the path [10:39] <kay> How many lines of output did you get? [10:39] <kay> (Seems to work here on Breezy) [10:40] <satch> it installed several files, probably 2 screens full of output - but when it gets to base-passwd it craps out [10:40] <satch> what is Breezy ? [10:40] <kay> And who says that sid will be installable?? [10:40] <kay> (by hoary?) [10:40] <kay> :) [10:41] <kay> Breezy is the next release of Ubuntu, currently under development [10:41] <satch> ok [10:41] <satch> what command did you use ? [10:42] <kay> To get Breezy? [10:43] <satch> yea [10:43] <kay> Just replace the apt sources "hoary" with "breezy" in /etc/apt/sources.list [10:43] <satch> and then do what ? [10:43] <kay> Then do apt-get update [10:43] <kay> And then apt-get upgrade [10:44] <kay> And then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and see it do a lot of things [10:44] <kay> And encounter troubles... :p [10:44] <satch> but i need to build my own distro [10:44] <kay> Your own distro? [10:44] <kay> What for? [10:45] <satch> I have a customer that is needing to run dos over bochs [10:46] <kay> Hm.... wasn't there dosemu at a time? [10:46] <buz> i think dos runs pretty well in qemu [10:46] <buz> and qemu is much easier to get to work than bochs [10:46] <kay> dosemu - The Linux DOS Emulator [10:46] <kay> dosemu-freedos - FreeDOS package for DOSEMU [10:47] <kay> For all I can see, you can likely just use Hoary as it is and install those [10:47] <kay> If you need to make something that installs from CD, you better read up how to customize Knoppix [10:47] <kay> (also based on Debian) [10:47] <satch> well, i'd like ot make them a live cd that doesnt have a lot of crap on it [10:47] <buz> isnt breezy supposed to install from cd [10:48] <buz> and installing knoppix isn't the best of all ideas [10:48] <buz> it always stopped working after updates for me [10:48] <gdh_> dosemu is handy because it means the DOS app is able to access files / mounts on the Linux side... [10:48] <buz> gdh_: point [10:48] <gdh_> a sneaky way of getting a DOS app to read from NFS / samba shares... [10:49] <insanekane> satch: following the instructions for remastering knoppix should be enough for breezy live as well ... if all you are doing is adding/removing packages afaik [10:49] <|quad|> kay: you still here [10:49] <kay> Removing packages is easy enough [10:49] <buz> but why use breezy [10:49] <kay> hm |quad| ? [10:49] <buz> its not even stable [10:49] <insanekane> buz: breezy/hoary whatever [10:49] <kay> I would use something with good docs on how to remaster [10:49] <|quad|> kay: still not working [10:49] <kay> That would be Knoppix in all cases [10:50] <buz> i think slax is quite slim [10:50] <kay> |quad|: Now? [10:50] <buz> and morphix supposedly comes with good docs [10:50] <|quad|> kay: right [10:50] <kay> |quad|: You need to tell the symptoms [10:50] <insanekane> buz: if all you want is to remaster *some* distro, then you should look at morphix ... they also have a package with a GUI for remastering that works quite well (intellibuild) [10:51] <kay> Oh... GUI :) [10:51] <insanekane> buz: talk to gandalfar in #morphix [10:51] <kay> Is it GTK ;-))) [10:51] <|quad|> kay: no core keyboared.... fatal server error failed to initialize core devices [10:51] <buz> i dont want to remaster anything :) [10:51] <insanekane> kay: yes .. PyGTK [10:51] <insanekane> buz: oh sorry ... i meant satch [10:52] <buz> morphix is debian based iirc [10:52] <kay> Well, |quad| maybe your xorg.conf is broken. [10:52] <kay> move it away then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [10:52] <|quad|> kay: it worked before [10:52] <kay> Well, that was another xserver, not? :) [10:53] <|quad|> kay: no, it worked until this whole xorg retransformation [10:53] <kay> so? [10:53] <|quad|> kay: it has worked for soo long, why would it break [10:53] <chx> anyone has some good TFT knowledge? Or an idea of a freenode channel on which to ask about a strange thing about my monitor? [10:53] <kay> It did for me too :p [10:58] <|quad|> kay: lets see if i fixed it [10:58] <|quad|> with dpkg reconfigure [10:58] <kay> normally yes [10:58] <kay> although there was a bug, fixed since though i thought, of a double definition [10:58] <|quad|> kay: nope, not working [10:58] <kay> Look at the errors of startx [10:59] <kay> do a startx -- :1 [10:59] <kay> What errors do you get? [10:59] <|quad|> could not open default font fixed [10:59] <comp7> Hi all, can someone help me by telling me why I can see my wifi-network in kWifiManager, but cannot choose to logon to it? I automatically get logged on the the open network of my neighbour (which is really very slow...) [11:00] <JakubS_> |quad|: that was my worst nightmare under debian :-) [11:01] <|quad|> JakubS_: how did you fix it? [11:03] <JakubS_> usually by lots of swearing, fiddling with /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.alias, more swearing, running everything from /usr/X11R6/bin that had *fonts* in name, trying to reinstall font packages, ... [11:03] <|quad|> haha [11:03] <|quad|> i am going back to play with my old config [11:04] <JakubS_> after several repetitions of this problem i started to use self-compiled xorg [11:04] <|quad|> lol [11:05] <kay> well, hey [11:05] <wellso> bit of a dumb question, how do i restart a process? [11:06] <kay> did you really complete the installation of all packages, |quad| ? [11:06] <wellso> or a daemon i mean [11:06] <insanekane> wellso: a process ? or a service ? [11:06] <JakubS_> killall process && process :-) [11:06] <|quad|> kay: i completed the installation of all the packages [11:06] <insanekane> wellso: well, sudo /etc/init.d/<service> restart [11:07] <kay> you have x-window-system-core installed? [11:07] <insanekane> |quad|:the problem is badly prepared xutils ... it is a known problem [11:07] <|quad|> kay: lemme check [11:07] <|quad|> insanekane: i know :( [11:07] <insanekane> |quad|: i can send you a package which works [11:07] <|quad|> kay: yeah i have it installed [11:07] <kay> hm... there is one package that xutils fails to depend on, right? [11:08] <kay> i saw the bug report when i search for my problem [11:08] <|quad|> insanekane: i try to use the official ones (no offense to oyurs) i can afford to just wait [11:08] <kay> hold on, i find it [11:08] <insanekane> |quad|: this isnt mine ... its Riddell's [11:09] <|quad|> insanekane: hmmmm [11:09] <|quad|> how will this affect all of daniel stone's? [11:09] <insanekane> |quad|: i guess, as far as Kubuntu is concerned, it is as "official" as can be ? :) [11:09] <|quad|> insanekane: heh, true [11:09] <insanekane> |quad|: once you get it ... sudo apt-get --reinstall install xbase-fonts [11:11] <kay> That is the bug http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12872 [11:11] <|quad|> has anyone gotten konquer to use gecko here? [11:12] <penguinboy> hey hey hey [11:12] <penguinboy> anyone here? [11:13] <kay> I thought Suse will do that, why should Konqui do it? [11:13] <|quad|> eh? [11:13] <kay> Or more specifically, why should Kubuntu do that :) [11:14] <|quad|> i prefer gecko to khtml :) [11:14] <kay> It's not in vanilla KDE yet, is it? [11:14] <|quad|> no [11:14] <kay> But as far as I know, Dirk is working on it [11:14] <kay> But it will take some time I guess [11:15] <|quad|> yeah [11:16] <michael> Does anybody know a good memory scanner (for games) designed to run on linux? I have one from windows, but it doesn't work right under wine/cedega. [11:16] <kay> grep /dev/mem doesn't work? [11:16] <michael> i'll try [11:17] <kay> I can do e.g. strings /dev/mem [11:17] <michael> looks like it's working on something, i just want to be able to cheat in games [11:18] <michael> it seems like grep /dev/mem froze [11:20] <michael> got ne ideas, isn't there a program that I can wget to do that stuff? [11:20] <michael> ne thing?? [11:24] <kay> michael: It is waiting for stdin [11:24] <kay> michael: read man grep, I of course don't know what you want to grep for [11:24] <kay> but you can start with grep kay /dev/mem [11:25] <|quad|> kay: i am down to only xorg font problems [11:25] <kay> All I wanted to express is that /dev/mem is a normal file that you can search in anyhow you like [11:25] <wellso> nikkia: hi again, do you know how to restart the hcid daemon? [11:25] <kay> grep says it is binary... strings finds well, strings in it... and so on [11:25] <michael> I want to scan the values in memory addresses, then rescan for differences, until I find the right address, and then alter the address to fit my needs [11:25] <michael> like the number of lives in a game [11:26] <kay> I doubt that will work so easy :) [11:26] <kay> |quad|: Well, that is good [11:27] <michael> well, there are a crap load of programs like that for windows, but none of them work under wine or cedega [11:27] <|quad|> kay: : it might be good if i could solve it! [11:27] <michael> they run, but won't find any of the open programs [11:28] <kay> |quad|: The bug is unsolved it seems [11:28] <|quad|> kay: :( [11:29] <kay> Can you find mkfontdir anywhere? [11:29] <kay> Apparently that is the problem [11:29] <kay> Without it, no font directory can be a fond directory and you have 0 fonts [11:30] <kay> And certainly not the only required one then :p [11:31] <michael> are there any channels for games/cheating? [11:31] <|quad|> kay: how would i make it somewhere [11:31] <kay> find / -name mkfontdir [11:32] <|quad|> should i do it with sudo? [11:33] <kay> Won't harm, otherwise you get permission denied in some places [11:43] <soebbi> insanekane: Hi insanekane [11:44] <soebbi> Got a sec for me? :) [12:06] <bobbyd> something is broken in my kubuntu install where it doesn't ask me for my password when I do a sudo or click an administrator button in settings. anyone know how to debug or fix this? [12:07] <nikkia> bobby, try sudo -k [12:07] <nikkia> then try sudo again [12:08] <wellso> anyone know how i stop xine opening in multiple instances? [12:09] <soebbi> nikka: Do you know where i have to put the hsqldb.jar file so that it is recognized by the jre?

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.147157

2005-08-05-#kubuntu-devel

[04:19] <Mez> Riddell, sorry bout that - I expected it to poke me with an error before it sent ... obviousl it ddidnt

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.164172

2005-08-02-#ubuntu-meeting

[04:05] <Burgundavia> well, it is good that rob^ is here as well [04:05] <Burgundavia> we need both viewpoints on LocalHelp [04:06] <rob^> otherwise I wouldnt be :) [04:06] <rob^> I'd be asleep [04:06] <rob^> 5am starts for work suck! [04:06] <rob^> its midnight here now [04:06] <mpt> rob^: Are you Robert Stoffers? [04:06] <rob^> yes [04:07] <rob^> my mommy says I'm cool.. [04:07] <Treenaks> Welcome to Ubuntites Anonymous ? [04:07] <Burgundavia> no, doc team meeting [04:08] <Treenaks> ;) [04:09] <rob^> where is everyone? did they turn the ntp update off on thier boxes? [04:09] <rob^> :) [04:09] <Burgundavia> no idea [04:09] <Burgundavia> I just pinged mdke [04:09] <Burgundavia> jerome is not online [04:09] <mpt> or maybe the agenda just wasn't that interesting ;-) [04:09] <rob^> heh [04:11] <rob^> ah fugde it, my sshed connection to my other box died during a dist-upgrade [04:11] <rob^> this could be bad :( [04:11] <jjesse> good luck [04:12] <rob^> hmm I still have a logon localy on that box :) [04:13] <rob^> bloody power saving crap.. [04:13] <rob^> hmm [04:13] <rob^> this meeting is going off! [04:13] <jjesse> we going to get started? [04:13] <Burgundavia> sure [04:13] <rob^> ya [04:14] <Burgundavia> who is here? [04:14] <mpt> me, sort of [04:14] <Burgundavia> 1st item -- Meeting times [04:14] <rob^> yes [04:15] <Burgundavia> rob^, you added this? [04:15] <rob^> yep [04:15] <Burgundavia> lets us know you issues [04:15] <rob^> What I wanted to discuss is a better timing for the meeting [04:15] <rob^> but we really need more members here [04:15] <mpt> This is a bad time for me right now, and a bad time for me next week, it'll be fine after that [04:15] <Burgundavia> is another day better? [04:15] <rob^> with my work I wont be able to attend any more meetings [04:16] <rob^> can I suggest Friday? [04:16] <Burgundavia> I have no objection [04:16] <Burgundavia> shall we raise it on the mailing list, due to lack of members here? [04:16] <rob^> yes good idea [04:16] <Burgundavia> ok, next item [04:16] <Burgundavia> project updates [04:17] <Burgundavia> rob^, you want to lead off on faqguide? [04:17] <rob^> ok [04:17] <rob^> the Ubuntu version of the faq guide is really comming along quite well [04:17] <rob^> there are still a few things we need to fix up, but it will probably be ready for review soon [04:18] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, we just started [04:18] <Burgundavia> rob^, you want to repeat what you just said for jsgotangco [04:18] <rob^> yep [04:18] <rob^> the Ubuntu version of the faq guide is really comming along quite well [04:18] <rob^> there are still a few things we need to fix up, but it will probably be ready for review soon [04:18] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, we are moving the time/day disucssion tot eh mailing list [04:18] <rob^> as for the KDE profile, there is still a lot of work to be done [04:19] <Burgundavia> sounds good [04:19] <rob^> I don't know if we will have the KDE profile ready for Breezy, but time will tell I guess [04:19] <jjesse> is there someone working on the KDE profile? [04:19] <rob^> so yeah [04:19] <rob^> jjesse, I am a little bit [04:19] <rob^> but we could really use someone who uses kubuntu [04:20] <Burgundavia> our last writing must be done by Sept 8 [04:20] <Burgundavia> jjesse, you want to talk about the Kubuntu Users Guide? [04:20] <jjesse> its in svn right? i could look into it, i'm behind on kusuerguide though :( [04:20] <Burgundavia> jjesse, yes [04:20] <rob^> yep [04:20] <jjesse> rob^ i'll work on it [04:21] <rob^> ok, thanks :) [04:21] <rob^> the author of KUDOS is allowing us to add stuff from it [04:21] <rob^> I dont think anything has yet though.. [04:22] <jjesse> alright where is that located in svn rob^ [04:22] <rob^> generic/faqguide/C/ [04:22] <rob^> kudos isnt in there yet though [04:22] <Burgundavia> what is KUDOS again? [04:23] <rob^> a kubuntu version of ubuntuguide.org [04:23] <jjesse> KUDOS is like ubuntuguide.org [04:23] <Burgundavia> ok [04:23] <Burgundavia> rob^, anything more? [04:23] <rob^> no, I'm good [04:23] <rob^> carry on [04:23] <Burgundavia> jjesse, Kubuntu Users Guide? [04:24] <jjesse> coming along good [04:24] <jjesse> i know some of things we are still waiting for some decisions on [04:24] <Burgundavia> decisions from whom? [04:24] <jjesse> like whether or not kynaptic will be used for installing software [04:25] <jjesse> kubuntu-devs [04:25] <Burgundavia> ok [04:25] <rob^> kynaptic/synaptic is used in the faqguide now [04:25] <jjesse> i know but there is some talk in breezy that willc hange [04:25] <rob^> oh super.. [04:25] <rob^> kynaptic only? [04:25] <Burgundavia> or kapture [04:26] <jjesse> yeah knaptytic vs kapture [04:26] <Burgundavia> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackageManager [04:26] <rob^> ah [04:26] <jjesse> which is why the install portion is still not done [04:26] <rob^> well lucky I havent added much from kubuntu then :) [04:26] <Burgundavia> ok, the install is not a major deal [04:26] <Burgundavia> people use softare far more than they install it [04:27] <jjesse> agreed, but everything else is coming along well [04:27] <mpt> Burgundavia: However, installing software is the thing they report trouble with most often [04:27] <Burgundavia> jjesse, so your writing is currently waiting on kubuntu-developers [04:27] <Burgundavia> mpt, yes [04:27] <rob^> yes, a couple of meetings ago it was suggested that using gui apps to install things is a good idea [04:27] <mpt> judging by the forums [04:27] <jjesse> just had some family emergencies that have slowed down writing [04:27] <mpt> David Ottina's work [04:27] <jjesse> the seciont that is waiting is part of what froud is writing [04:28] <Burgundavia> ok [04:28] <jjesse> i gotta get my ass in gear to be honest [04:28] <Burgundavia> jjesse, anything else specific to mention before we move on? [04:29] <jjesse> not that i'm aware of [04:29] <Burgundavia> ok [04:29] <Burgundavia> on to the big topic [04:29] <Burgundavia> Yelp Main page [04:29] <rob^> you want to go first Burgundavia? [04:29] <Burgundavia> mpt, you want to present your idea quickly? [04:29] <rob^> or mpt.. [04:29] <mpt> sure [04:30] <mpt> One of the things I identified in http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpfulHelp was that Yelp's front page is pretty bad [04:30] <mpt> In Ubuntu as well as vanilla Gnome [04:30] <mpt> The fix, which will be done upstream, is to default yelp to opening one particular book [04:30] <mpt> For upstream Gnome, this will be the Gnome User's Guide [04:30] <mpt> I have started writing a document I'm calling "Ubuntu Help" [04:31] <mpt> You can get it from the Supermirror, which is the part of Launchpad that will be used for mirroring code branches in the future [04:31] <mpt> http://mirrors.sourcecontrol.net/mpt@myrealbox.com/help--0/ [04:32] <mpt> It's a Bazaar archive -- Bazaar is the way Ubuntu-related development will be increasingly distributed, starting a few months from now [04:32] <mpt> The only non-forward-compatible thing about it is that it uses the baz version of Bazaar, rather than the (eventual replacement) bzr version [04:32] <mpt> because bzr doesn't support the Supermirror yet. [04:33] <rob^> when will the docteam change over to it? [04:33] <mpt> Whenever you like [04:33] <mpt> Bazaar is distributed [04:33] <Burgundavia> post breezy would be a good time [04:33] <mpt> So you can make your own branch [04:33] <rob^> yes agreed [04:33] <mpt> and keep it locally [04:33] <mpt> and mirror it to your own personal archive [04:33] <mpt> then we can merge from each other's branches. [04:33] <mpt> For more information on Bazaar, see http://bazaar.canonical.com/ [04:33] <rob^> dang, and I only just learnt svn.. [04:34] <jsgotangc1> anyone? [04:34] <Burgundavia> jsgotangc1, hey [04:34] <jsgotangc1> my dsl died [04:34] <rob^> we are at nr 3 [04:34] <jsgotangc1> im in a freakin' dialup [04:34] <Burgundavia> yelp main page [04:34] <jsgotangc1> just 3 eh? [04:34] <mpt> Now, the reason I started it from scratch is so that I could avoid using the GFDL [04:34] <Burgundavia> mpt, mind if we take jsgotangc1 project update? [04:34] <jsgotangc1> no go ahead [04:35] <rob^> mpt, what licence are you going to use then? [04:35] <jsgotangc1> my connection is extremely bad at the moment [04:35] <mpt> and we're going to be talking about licenses later in the meeting. [04:35] <rob^> ok [04:35] <mpt> It's dual-licensed under the GPL and the CC BY-SA, with the special exception that the attribution of the CC BY-SA does not apply. [04:35] <mpt> That way, it can be used by Debian [04:35] <mpt> As far as I can tell, Debian is going to be removing all GFDL-licensed docs for Etch [04:35] <rob^> hmm the attribution is the best bit :( [04:36] <mpt> and they're not happy about the pure BY-SA either, because of the attribution requirement [04:36] <Burgundavia> anyway, we can discuss licenses later [04:36] <Burgundavia> mpt, what does you page offer over the exisitng page? [04:36] <mpt> So after Breezy I'll give Debian a brand-neutralized version of Ubuntu Help [04:37] <mpt> Well, for the front page it's organized by topic, rather than by document [04:37] <mpt> because people don't know which, if any, document will contain the answer to their question [04:37] <mpt> see http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpfulHelp#head-3c25bdfc7f57ac1ab750b2db298e2b75ed82ed91 for more details about that problem [04:38] <mpt> At the moment, I regret to say, we have a lot of guides of various levels of detail which are duplicating a lot of work [04:38] <mpt> and I'm sorry for starting yet another one :-) [04:38] <mpt> I only did it because of the licensing issue. [04:38] <rob^> ok, whist I dont disagree with what your doing, the page will have links all over the place. people will get lost in it [04:38] <mpt> The front page has twelve links on it, and I don't intend that number to increase [04:38] <mpt> if anything, it will decrease [04:38] <rob^> mpt, no, once they click thru they will be in the middle of some doc [04:39] <rob^> for this to work better we need to rethink how we do our documentation [04:40] <Burgundavia> sort of [04:40] <Burgundavia> mpt's guide would have some writing in it [04:40] <rob^> exactly [04:40] <Burgundavia> it wouldn't just be links to existing docs [04:40] <rob^> if we are going to use this, we should pool our efforts into one monolitic doc [04:41] <rob^> otherwise it will be messy [04:41] <mpt> As soon as yelp gets a search function, it can decrease to about 4~5 [04:41] <mpt> rob^: I'm not sure what you mean by "in the middle of" [04:41] <mpt> The organization of pages into books is an implementation detail that I want to hide as thoroughly as possible [04:41] <mpt> I think I'm done [04:41] <mpt> unless there are any more questions [04:41] <mpt> Yes, if it's just a ToC it won't be much use to Debian :-) [04:41] <mpt> I'm all in favor of merging docs [04:42] <rob^> mpt, say someone wanted to burn a cd.. that info could be in the middle of say the userguide [04:42] <Burgundavia> so if we merge the commonprobs, the faq and localhelp into one doc, would that work [04:42] <rob^> and burning an .iso image could be in the middle of the faq [04:42] <rob^> its all over the place [04:42] <rob^> Burgundavia, thats kind of what I'm thinking [04:42] <jsgotangco> sorry guys, my internet is acting up at th emoment, its raining so hard here, please continue on [04:43] <jsgotangco> i can't really give input that much since im so lagged because of the rains [04:43] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, np [04:43] <rob^> Burgundavia, maybe even the quick guide [04:43] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, I will post the summary and log [04:43] <Burgundavia> rob^, the quick guide is going to be respeced, next item [04:43] <Burgundavia> and thus really isn't a doc anymore [04:43] <mpt> Anyway, I encourage people to get to know bazaar, maybe even send me the URL to their branches :-) [04:43] <rob^> yes, its redundant [04:43] <Burgundavia> no, the quick guide is becoming a marketing doc [04:44] <rob^> ok [04:44] <jsgotangco> yes [04:44] <jsgotangco> new features! [04:44] <rob^> that is a good change of focus [04:44] <Burgundavia> that was the original focus [04:44] <jsgotangco> yes [04:44] <rob^> yeah, but thats not what it does now.. [04:44] <Burgundavia> yes [04:44] <rob^> hence respec.. [04:44] <rob^> ok [04:44] <jsgotangco> its alright, all docs are in state of flux at the moment anyway [04:44] <Burgundavia> that was a miscommunication, that happened somewhere in the madness of Mataro [04:45] <rob^> yeah [04:45] <Burgundavia> shall we agree to merge the faq guide into localhelp? [04:45] <Burgundavia> details to be hashed out as needed? [04:45] <rob^> how are we going to do this? [04:45] <rob^> let me look at localhelp first [04:45] <rob^> I will post to the list about it later [04:46] <Burgundavia> ok [04:46] <mpt> Burgundavia: We can't do that, they're under different licenses [04:46] <mpt> Unless you get permission from every contributor [04:46] <rob^> hmm [04:46] <rob^> we could just drop one [04:46] <Burgundavia> the faqguide is already gpl [04:46] <rob^> yes [04:46] <Burgundavia> rob^, how much of the old faq guide are you keeping? [04:47] <Burgundavia> is it worth just dropping and starting again? [04:47] <rob^> its been changed heaps [04:47] <rob^> take a look [04:47] <Burgundavia> yes [04:47] <mpt> In theory, some faqguide contributor might have a violent disagreement with the BY-SA [04:47] <Burgundavia> ok, shall we just drop the faq guide and merge your work into the localhelp stuff? [04:48] <rob^> Burgundavia, I'll take a look at local help first [04:48] <Burgundavia> ok [04:48] <Burgundavia> the stuff that mpt posted int eh baz archive is the same as is on LocalHelp [04:48] <mpt> rob^: Ah, now I think I understand your earlier question. The answer is, every topic appears on its own page. [04:49] <rob^> Burgundavia, I would dare say thats what we'll do however [04:50] <rob^> is localhelp only licenced under gpl? [04:50] <Burgundavia> mpt just through that on [04:50] <Burgundavia> s/thought/threw [04:50] <Burgundavia> he didn't know our licenses [04:50] <mpt> As I said, GPL + BY-SA, with the exception that the attribution restriction of the BY-SA does not apply. [04:51] <mpt> I went with that after talking with Burgundavia about licenses [04:51] <mpt> It's the same as OpenOffice.org uses [04:51] <mpt> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-community/2005-March/000369.html [04:51] <rob^> what does taking off BY SA do then.. [04:51] <rob^> how will it effect the docs? [04:52] <mpt> It doesn't, directly [04:52] <mpt> but it means that Ubuntu Help couldn't be copied and pasted into other BY-SA work [04:52] <mpt> which in turn would make authors of BY-SA works less likely to contribute their changes back. [04:53] <rob^> from my understanding, the BY-SA just means that they dont have to acknowledge us/ubuntu? [04:53] <jeffsch> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/ [04:53] <Burgundavia> hey jeffsch [04:53] <mpt> The BY-SA normally *does* mean that they have to attribute the original author [04:54] <Burgundavia> jeffsch, have you missed anything? [04:54] <mpt> but Debian doesn't like that for the same reason they don't like the GFDL [04:54] <jeffsch> nope [04:54] <mpt> Hence, my special exception [04:54] <Burgundavia> jeffsch, ok [04:54] <rob^> but that sucks quite frankly [04:55] <rob^> thats our hard work, we should be acknowledged [04:55] <mpt> Well, people who contribute to GPL apps don't have a problem with their attribution possibly being removed [04:56] <mpt> I want something that Ubuntu can share with Debian, and I don't mind my attribution being removed [04:56] <rob^> as do I, but I dont see why Debian needs to be so hard-assed about it [04:56] <Burgundavia> the GFDL sucks, to be honest [04:57] <mpt> I have no particular love for Debian, but they're the foundation of Ubuntu, and they've got good principles, and they'll be in a hole without GFDL-licensed docs, and something coming from Ubuntu to help them out will make them feel better about Ubuntu. [04:57] <jsgotangco> i don't mind our docs go upstream either [04:58] <mpt> If you're uncomfortable with the idea of your attribution being removed, we have plenty of docs under the GFDL that you can contribute to :-) [04:58] <jsgotangco> Debian Legal would be happy as well [04:58] <rob^> yeah, well it doesn't look like I have a choice if I want to keep doing what I'm doing [04:59] <rob^> but then again, it would be good to give something like this back to Debian [04:59] <jjesse> can i ask a silly question? why would our docs go upstream to debian when they are ubuntu specific? [04:59] <jeffsch> rob^: the BY part of the license is the attribution part [04:59] <Burgundavia> jjesse, they don't have to be [04:59] <jjesse> like the FAQ guide [05:00] <jeffsch> rob^: the BY part will still be there [05:00] <Burgundavia> the key part is the docs still remain free, even if our names are not on it [05:00] <jeffsch> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/ [05:00] <mpt> jjesse: One thing that Bazaar makes easy is that Debian and Ubuntu can maintain their branches independently, merging only the non-brand-specific parts from each other. [05:00] <rob^> jeffsch, thanks [05:00] <rob^> jeffsch, now I get it [05:00] <jjesse> ok [05:00] <jsgotangco> jjesse: it means our docs can be easily lifted up [05:01] <rob^> I'm ok with the BY part still being there [05:01] <rob^> the SA doesn't bother me so much [05:02] <Burgundavia> shall we post to the list about this? [05:02] <rob^> Burgundavia, yes good point also [05:03] <Burgundavia> we also should clear a license change mdz or mako [05:03] <rob^> yep [05:03] <Burgundavia> mpt, you want to do the emailing on this? [05:04] <Burgundavia> ok then, lets move on [05:05] <Burgundavia> new quick guide [05:05] <Burgundavia> any objections to it becoming a marketing doc? [05:05] <rob^> Burgundavia, what do you mean by "marketing doc"? [05:05] <jsgotangco> i don't except that if its a marketing doc, i dont think quickguide is a good title [05:06] <Burgundavia> Basically, use breezy because here are all the cool new features [05:06] <rob^> ok [05:06] <Burgundavia> http://www.linspire.com/quickstart [05:06] <Burgundavia> see that for an idea [05:06] <rob^> yeah, ok sounds good :) [05:06] <jjesse> fine w/ me [05:07] <Burgundavia> jeffsch, any thoughts? [05:07] <rob^> probably needs a name change or something though [05:07] <Burgundavia> yes [05:07] <jeffsch> new features since hoary? [05:07] <Burgundavia> yes [05:07] <jeffsch> or new features like/not like windows? [05:07] <Burgundavia> what sets Ubuntu apart, mostly new features [05:08] <Burgundavia> but maybe cool features that aren't in OS X or windows [05:08] <rob^> bugger [05:08] <rob^> netsplit [05:08] <Burgundavia> we only lost mpt [05:09] <jeffsch> Burgundavia: http://www.linspire.com/quickstart is empty [05:10] <Burgundavia> bugger [05:10] <Burgundavia> it should autostart downloading a pdf [05:10] <jsgotangco> i thought just cool new breezy features [05:10] <rob^> Burgundavia, I've seen it before [05:10] <Burgundavia> ok [05:11] <Burgundavia> most of the breezy new features are also not going to be in anything else [05:11] <Burgundavia> but the idea of the respec is good? no objections? [05:11] <jeffsch> no objections from me [05:12] <rob^> no [05:12] <jsgotangco> none [05:12] <Burgundavia> ok, moving on [05:12] <jsgotangco> im not so sure about Kubuntu though [05:12] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, you want to give an update on your project [05:12] <jsgotangco> its like 80% done [05:12] <Burgundavia> and jeffsch since you are here as well [05:12] <jsgotangco> hmm project yes....i'm almost done with my StyleGuide contribution [05:13] <jsgotangco> on writing for international audience [05:13] <jsgotangco> as for QuickGuide, yes we'll do the respec [05:13] <jeffsch> coming slowly. jsgotangco has helped, I still hope to be done by july 31. [05:13] <jsgotangco> i haven't been doing Kubuntu stuff slowly though [05:13] <jeffsch> may be wishful thinking though [05:13] <Burgundavia> rob^, I was jumping back to get them [05:13] <rob^> ah cool [05:13] <rob^> bit lost then for a sec [05:14] <Burgundavia> jeffsch, jsgotangco anything else? [05:14] <jsgotangco> well i'm going to make a launchpad team for us [05:14] <jsgotangco> Ubuntu Documentation Project [05:14] <Burgundavia> ok [05:14] <jeffsch> nope. move along :) [05:14] <Burgundavia> do we need to discuss licenses further? [05:14] <rob^> well, one thing I might add [05:14] <jsgotangco> we need a working X to do work really [05:15] <Burgundavia> rob^, shoot [05:15] <rob^> the faq as mentioned already is GPL as it was derived from ubuntuguide.org [05:15] <Burgundavia> yes [05:15] <rob^> I have it as tri-licenced atm [05:15] <Burgundavia> ok [05:15] <rob^> but I'm not too sure about that [05:16] <jeffsch> i thought the author gave permission for gfdl and cc-by-sa [05:16] <Burgundavia> he did [05:16] <rob^> jeffsch, yes [05:16] <Burgundavia> but it is already gpl [05:16] <jeffsch> ok, so the version in svn is only two licenses [05:17] <rob^> no, three [05:17] <Burgundavia> we never added the gpl to it [05:17] <rob^> it was gpl anyway [05:17] <Burgundavia> until now [05:17] <rob^> its stated at the top of ubuntuguide.org [05:18] <jeffsch> but our faqguide is only 2 licenses, we dropped gpl with permission [05:18] <rob^> ok [05:18] <jeffsch> ubuntuguide.org is still gpl [05:18] <jeffsch> the docs are different now [05:18] <Burgundavia> but our doc is a clear deriv of the ubuntuguide.org one [05:18] <rob^> yes, pretty much all the differences are mine and matts work [05:19] <rob^> the way I see it is that if we still want to use gpl we can, as that is the orignal licence.. [05:20] <rob^> but how does everyone see it? [05:20] <Burgundavia> rob^, you want to ping mako on that one? [05:21] <rob^> ok [05:21] <rob^> after the meeting [05:21] <Burgundavia> ya [05:21] <Burgundavia> anything else on licensing> [05:21] <Burgundavia> ? [05:21] <Burgundavia> ok [05:21] <Burgundavia> our linode server [05:21] <rob^> no [05:22] <jeffsch> i kinda like PD, the ultimate in free [05:22] <Burgundavia> shall we defer till next meeting [05:22] <Burgundavia> so mdke can present it? [05:22] <Burgundavia> unless anybody else has ideas [05:22] <jsgotangco> he's in his barrister ceremoney [05:22] <jsgotangco> his officially a lawyer today [05:22] <Burgundavia> lucky man [05:23] <jsgotangco> i guess we can start an Ubuntu Legal team [05:23] <jsgotangco> heh [05:23] <rob^> heh [05:23] <Burgundavia> ok, any further items for this meeting? [05:23] <rob^> nup [05:23] <jsgotangco> ok just a quickie, i'll do a team for us in launchpad and announce it later [05:23] <Burgundavia> ok [05:23] <jsgotangco> motu has one why don't we [05:24] <Burgundavia> we already have a wiki team to [05:24] <jsgotangco> yeah that's why... [05:24] <jsgotangco> other than that, let's wait for our laptops :) [05:24] <Burgundavia> ok then, I declare this meeting finished [05:24] <Burgundavia> I will have a summary on the list soonish [05:25] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: thanks for filling up, i was at the wrong place at the wrong time..my dsl is still dead.. [05:25] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, np [05:25] <jsgotangco> ok next meeting should be 2 weeks from now, 22UTC [05:25] <jsgotangco> unless you've talked about the time issue [05:25] <rob^> maybe [05:26] <rob^> I'm going to email the list about it [05:26] <jsgotangco> sure [05:26] <rob^> not enough memebers here to discuss it [05:26] <jsgotangco> but remember we're spanning across 2 oceans [05:26] <rob^> yea I know! [05:26] <jsgotangco> 14UTC is like 7am in some areas in NA [05:27] <Burgundavia> don't remind me [05:27] <Burgundavia> sleep, whats sleep? [05:27] <rob^> jsgotangco, its midnight here [05:28] <jsgotangco> heck i've had it worse on 20utc meetings [05:28] <jsgotangco> :) [05:28] <rob^> jsgotangco, I think the day needs to change [05:28] <rob^> to like Friday or something [05:28] <jeffsch> Burgundavia: in winter, 14UTC will be 6am here! [05:28] <jsgotangco> rob^: sure, as long as it doesn't overlap with CC and TB meetings [05:28] <rob^> yeah [05:28] <jsgotangco> remember 22UTC for us is actually the next day [05:29] <Burgundavia> yes [05:29] <Burgundavia> jeffsch, where do you live? [05:29] <jeffsch> vancouver [05:29] <Burgundavia> that is crazy [05:29] <rob^> 22z is 8am here [05:29] <Burgundavia> anyway, we should get out of -meeting [05:29] <Burgundavia> back to -doc all of you [05:29] <rob^> the next day also [06:04] <mpt> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs doesn't work [06:05] <fabbione> what do you mean it doesn't work? [06:06] <fabbione> be specific [06:16] <mpt> sorry [06:16] <mpt> fabbione: "The document contains no data." [06:16] <fabbione> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ [06:16] <fabbione> works here [06:16] <fabbione> check your browser [06:17] <mpt> the latter works [06:17] <mpt> thanks [06:17] <mpt> ... before it crashes Epiphany [06:17] <mpt> yay for Crash Recovery :-) [07:38] <fabbione> hppa: 71.91 % [07:38] <fabbione> sparc: 75.17 % [07:39] <fabbione> you also have less pkgs to build.... [07:39] <fabbione> ia64: 89.25 % [10:13] <highvoltage> hilaire: do you use squeak? [10:13] <highvoltage> sorry, wrong window

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.169116

2005-08-02-#ubuntu-toolchain

[02:21] <jbailey> doko: Step 1 for getting you amd64 biarch stuff back completed. I now have an amd64 box. [02:21] <jbailey> (Or will when my wife is finished with the screwdriver and such - she builds the computers at our place) [06:33] <fabbione> morning [05:21] <lamont> we need -Orandom in the compiler. :-) [05:36] <doko> jbailey: please put some photos online ;)

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.174177

2005-08-02-#ubuntu-motu

[12:01] <tritium> thanks, sistpoty :) [12:01] <bddebian> slomo: If you build it they will come [12:01] <tseng> slomo: look up maininclusionrequirements iirc on the wiki [12:01] <tritium> bddebian, did I not tell you I'd be moving back? [12:01] <bddebian> slomo: Or get mythtv for tseng :-) [12:01] <bddebian> tritium: I don't recall so, but I'm braindead :-) [12:02] <tseng> sorry im too braindead to do real work lately [12:02] <tritium> bddebian, time to pay my employer back for sending me to school [12:02] <tseng> i hope pointing people in directions is helpful [12:02] <bddebian> tritium: Ah yes, that would be nice :-) [12:02] <ajmitch> tseng: I can pickup some mono fun as well if you want [12:02] <tritium> Anyway, gotta go get my wife and take her to dinner...see you all later. [12:02] <bddebian> Later tritium, enjoy [12:02] <bddebian> bah [12:02] <slomo> tseng: ok, i'll try to get it into main then... thanks :) [12:02] <tseng> ajmitch: i will probably clean up anything left over on Sunday [12:03] <sistpoty> has anyone got a working sbuild-setup? [12:03] <bddebian> I gotta head home, later gang [12:03] <sistpoty> cya, bddebian [12:07] <slomo> hmm... the Section part in debian/control of universe packages shouldn't be universe/bla, it should be just bla... right? [12:08] <tseng> yeah universe is controled seperately [12:08] <tseng> ie, things not whitelisted as "main" [12:08] <tseng> (or restricted or multiverse)_ [12:09] <slomo> ok... i was just puzzled when i saw universe/python in bddebian's package ;) [12:09] <Tonio-> little question concerning the packaging.... [12:09] <Tonio-> Apparently, I still have .sub and .guess in diff and I should perform make clean before packaging... [12:09] <Tonio-> Which moment do I have to do it ? [12:10] <Tonio-> after dh_make ? [12:16] <comadreja> slomo : ping [12:17] <slomo> comadreja: pong [12:17] <comadreja> :) I need your knowledge again :D [12:17] <comadreja> I have some files in package.install but they don't get installed [12:17] <comadreja> this cdbs :) [12:18] <slomo> you have package in control? paste me the content of the file in a query ;) [12:18] <comadreja> ok [12:20] <ajmitch> comadreja: package name matches what is in control? [12:20] <ajmitch> included debhelper.mk in rules? [12:21] <comadreja> yep, everything else works [12:21] <comadreja> yes, included [12:25] <sistpoty> ok, i'm off to bed... cya [12:25] <tseng> bye sistpoty [12:47] <chillywilly> buuurp [12:53] <ajmitch> yes, thankyou for your valuable contribution [01:52] <\sh> re [01:53] <Lathiat> so whats the current pending work [01:54] <slomo> wb \sh [01:54] <\sh> wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge [01:54] <ajmitch> still plenty of merges, filing RFPs, nicely filing patches for changes we've made, into debian BTS [01:54] <\sh> hey slomo [01:54] <ajmitch> besides any other breakage that we have to fix like GLU, C++ :) [01:54] <\sh> slomo: imms [01:55] <\sh> In file included from ../immscore/imms.h:9, from ../immsd/immsd.cc:7: [01:55] <\sh> ../immscore/xidle.h:5:22: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory [01:55] <|QuaD-> breezy xlibs = b0rked? [01:55] <slomo> \sh: wonderfull... but why does it build on every other architecture then? :/ [01:55] <\sh> slomo: I added libx11-dev,libxss-dev [01:55] <\sh> but I think it's more then that on amd64 [01:56] <ajmitch> Lathiat: so don't worry, you won't run out of work to do! :) [01:56] <Lathiat> hrm so i cant see anything needing work on the ToMerge page [01:56] <Lathiat> how can i determine leftover cxx stuff? [01:56] <ajmitch> Lathiat: click the bug list URL [01:57] <\sh> Lathiat: wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps [01:57] <\sh> is for cxx apps stuff [01:58] <ajmitch> \sh: right, I think we need to update that list though [01:58] <slomo> \sh: does it build now? [01:58] <\sh> slomo: no [01:59] <ajmitch> aha, apt-cache unmet [01:59] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh usefull :) [01:59] <\sh> slomo: this is configure status [01:59] <\sh> checking for XFlush in -lX11... no [01:59] <\sh> checking for XextFindDisplay in -lXext... no [01:59] <\sh> checking for XScreenSaverQueryInfo in -lXss... no [01:59] <\sh> checking for X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h... no [01:59] <\sh> but libxss-dev and libx11-dev should give all that, but i can be, that configure.ac is completly wrong [01:59] <slomo> \sh: nice... what does config.log say? [02:00] <\sh> configure:5830: g++ -o conftest -g -O2 -I/usr/include/taglib -shared -L/usr/X11R6/lib conftest.cc -lXss -lpcre -lsqlite3 -lz -ltag >&5 [02:00] <\sh> /usr/bin/ld: /tmp/ccKPhvjk.o: relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against `XScreenSaverQueryInfo' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC [02:00] <\sh> /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Bad value [02:01] <slomo> hm... already added -fPIC to CFLAGS? (or LDFLAGS?) [02:02] <\sh> it's in Xss [02:02] <\sh> checking for X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h... no [02:02] <\sh> configure: WARNING: XScreenSaver is missing. [02:02] <\sh> Xss must be recompiled [02:04] <slomo> hmm but that's only on amd64? [02:04] <\sh> yes [02:04] <\sh> libXss and libX11 are behaving like this [02:06] <Lathiat> Would it be a bad idea to set APTCACHEDIR to /var/cache/apt/archives ? [02:07] <\sh> who set monotone to pending upload now? [02:07] <\sh> he/she has to fix it ,-) [02:09] <slomo> bddebian: your python-pyrtf upload is in the archive... but you can fix it in a few minutes ;) [02:10] <bddebian> slomo: I can fix it? What's wrong. [02:10] <bddebian> slomo: Hi btw :-) [02:10] <Tonio-> anyone here has a little howto for cdbs ? cause I'm readding a doc about 30 pages and fill a bit lots ;) [02:11] <slomo> Tonio-: as your packages use autotools you're maybe done with this rules: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id2453401 [02:11] <\sh> Tonio-: please learn debhelper first...before u start bitching around with cdbs..please [02:12] <\sh> it's better to know the basics first [02:12] <Tonio-> okay ;) [02:12] <\sh> Tonio-: I'm telling you this, because cdbs can be a real pain in da a** [02:13] <\sh> if you don't know where to look, when something's wrong, then u r lost..really [02:13] <Tonio-> but it appear to be very important to use it isn't it ? [02:13] <\sh> so when you can read makefiles and come to terms with plain debhelper it's easier for u to determine bugs in cdbs [02:13] <\sh> Tonio-: important is to read makefiles [02:13] <slomo> \sh: how do i set the directory where dh_install installs everything into? [02:13] <Tonio-> k [02:14] <\sh> slomo: are u installing evering into debian/tmp/<package>/? [02:15] <\sh> slomo: normally u set dh_install --sourcedir=<source> <file> <destdir> and destdir depends on your package... [02:16] <Tonio-> so just to be sure I understand well, when you want to use cdbs, you have to create manually the rules files according to the makefile structure is that correct ? [02:16] <slomo> \sh: nope... debian/package [02:17] <\sh> slomo: then u don't need dh_install [02:17] <\sh> dh_install will move normally from debian/tmp/usr/bin/bla to debian/<package>/usr/bin/bla if in package.install usr/bin/bla is set (see man dh_install note on --autodest) [02:18] <slomo> \sh: ok, what is to be done when i have a file named package in debian/? ;) [02:19] <\sh> create a package.install ,-) [02:20] <\sh> ah you mean u have a file in debian/bla [02:20] <slomo> yes [02:20] <\sh> or debian/blubb and u want to move it to the install dir [02:20] <\sh> ? [02:21] <\sh> mv $(CURDIR)/debian/blubb $(CURDIR)/debian/<package>/<destination> [02:21] <\sh> bah...it's 2:21 ,-) [02:22] <\sh> or better s/mv/cp/ [02:22] <slomo> well ok, from the beginning :) i have a file named packagename in debian/ this has to be installed in /usr/bin later... but as dh_install puts all stuff in a directory named debian/packagename the file gets overwritten and everything is broken ;) [02:22] <\sh> or use $(INSTALL) if it's available if not `install` will do the same and sets perms and owner correctly and creates directories [02:23] <\sh> ah ok.. [02:23] <\sh> then rename the file debian/packagename to debian/packagename.tobeinstalled [02:23] <\sh> then $(INSTALL) <whateveryouneed> $(CURDIR)/debian/packagename.tobeinstalled <destdir>/packagename [02:24] <slomo> ok, thanks :) [02:24] <\sh> but it's better to put the file debian/packagename into the upstream tar.gz and create a new orig.tar.gz [02:25] <\sh> so u have a cleaner diff.gz [02:25] <\sh> and if it's binary, debdiff is not complaining ,-) [02:25] <slomo> i used dh_install to install the file but as destination is always a directory you can't rename the file with dh_install ;) [02:25] <slomo> hmm changing the upstream tarball? i thought that is evil? [02:25] <\sh> that's right..u have to do the install dance normally [02:25] <\sh> depends [02:26] <slomo> on what? ;) [02:26] <comadreja> make: *** No rule to make target `unpatch'. Stop. [02:27] <comadreja> I get that when trying to dpatch-edit-patch [02:27] <\sh> slomo: what the debian/packagename file is [02:27] <\sh> comadreja: but it uses dpatch already? [02:27] <comadreja> it's cdbs enabled [02:28] <\sh> then please use simple-patchsys [02:28] <comadreja> I just included the dpatch line [02:28] <\sh> no forget dpatch [02:28] <\sh> cdbs comes with cdbs-edit-patch [02:28] <comadreja> awesome, I hate dpatch :D [02:29] <\sh> but normall diff -ur is also quite good :) I don't like those automatic tools ;) [02:30] <slomo> \sh: i don't like them either ;) feels like loosing control... [02:30] <jbailey> \sh: Life sucks when it's too easy for you? =) [02:30] <bddebian> :) [02:32] <bddebian> Does synced mean straight from Debian and merged mean merged with existing Ubuntu patches??? [02:33] <\sh> jbailey: well..no :) [02:33] <\sh> jbailey: but I have to see what I'm doing and what I'm patching [02:33] <\sh> bddebian: yes [02:34] <\sh> jbailey: but it helps with some nasty merges a lot those automatic tools..especially when the merge.diff is patching the source without using debian/patches/* ,-) [02:34] <\sh> configure: error: Can't find libm. Please check config.log and if you can't solve the problem send the file to torcs-users@lists.sourceforge.net with the subject "torcs compilation problem" [02:34] <\sh> ekks [02:34] <\sh> thats too much for me at night.. [02:35] <jbailey> \sh: Got aconfig.log? [02:35] <jbailey> Nothing should ever fail to find libm. =) [02:35] <bddebian> \sh: thx [02:36] <\sh> jbailey: yes... [02:37] <slomo> bddebian: looked at my comment to your python-pyrtf upload? [02:37] <\sh> configure:21031: g++ -o conftest -g -Wall -O2 -Wall -fPIC -O2 -DUSE_RANDR_EXT -L conftest.cc -lm >&5 [02:38] <\sh> /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.2/../../../crt1.o: In function `_start': [02:38] <\sh> ../sysdeps/i386/elf/start.S:115: undefined reference to `main' [02:38] <\sh> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status [02:38] <jbailey> Huu... [02:38] <jbailey> Does conftest.cc contain a main? [02:39] <\sh> please excuse for this mess now :) [02:39] <\sh> | #ifdef __cplusplus [02:39] <\sh> | extern "C" [02:39] <\sh> | #endif [02:39] <\sh> | /* We use char because int might match the return type of a gcc2 [02:39] <\sh> | builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply. */ [02:39] <\sh> | char sin (); [02:39] <\sh> | int [02:39] <\sh> | main () [02:39] <\sh> | { [02:39] <\sh> | sin (); [02:39] <\sh> | ; [02:39] <\sh> | return 0; [02:39] <\sh> | } [02:39] <bddebian> slomo: Not yet, waiting to get kids in bed :-) [02:40] <\sh> if you have some tips or tricks send it to sh@sourcecode.de :) [02:40] <\sh> I'm going to bed now [02:41] <slomo> gn8 \sh :) [02:41] <\sh> off to bed :) cheers guys [04:36] <ajmitch> chillywilly: to avoid getting trampled, you can help with the merging :) [04:36] <chillywilly> hehe [04:37] <ajmitch> helping out is a condition of being in here ;) [04:59] <bddebian> ajmitch: Bah, says who? ;-P [05:01] <crimsun> leaving vlc until wxwidgets2.6 enters main. [05:01] <bddebian> :-) [05:02] <ajmitch> bddebian: says me [05:02] <ajmitch> crimsun: doing the same for boa-constructor :) [05:02] <ajmitch> but boa-constructor would have to break UVF [05:05] <Lathiat> hrm anyone know about postgresql deps? [05:05] <Lathiat> looking at grass, it fails on checking for libpq-fe.h... no [05:05] <ajmitch> ah, you'd have to blame pitti there [05:05] <Lathiat> but it does exist [05:05] <Lathiat> and it seems to be in the package [05:05] <ajmitch> he did changes things around [05:05] <Lathiat> ajmitch: oh its in the wrong spot or something? [05:05] <ajmitch> got libpq-dev? [05:05] <Lathiat> yeh i have libpq-dev [05:05] <Lathiat> i can only suspect its looking in the wrong spot? [05:06] <ajmitch> possibly [05:06] <ajmitch> all I know is that he made some changes :) [05:07] <Lathiat> and hes conveniently not online :P [05:07] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/ubuntu/rezound.diff [05:07] <Lathiat> simple cxx rebuild, who handles that? [05:07] <bddebian> ajmitch: Oh yeah, and who are you? ;-) [05:08] <chillywilly> he's a slave driver ;) [05:08] <ajmitch> chillywilly: of course [05:08] <bddebian> chillywilly: No shix man :-) [05:08] <bddebian> Oops I'm not supposed to fake swear [05:09] <bddebian> Where is Seth_k anyway? [05:10] <chillywilly> little does he know that he will be doing my bidding [05:10] <bddebian> heh [05:10] <chillywilly> ajmitch: you get cross-subnet/cross-workgroup browsing over my VPN tunnel via samba WINS server and I will do anything you want me to do ;) [05:11] <chillywilly> get it working for me that is :) [05:12] <bddebian> d00d, DONT use WINS!!! [05:12] <Lathiat> where are the FTBS logs [05:12] <chillywilly> bddebian: there's not other way to do it over a routed VPN tunnel [05:12] <chillywilly> no* [05:13] <bddebian> chillywilly: Is it truly an NT domain or W2K+? [05:13] <chillywilly> um, well at corporate I have the samba server [05:13] <chillywilly> with winXP machines on a "workgroup" [05:13] <|QuaD-> how well do NT or AD domains work on linux? how easy is the setup? [05:13] <bddebian> |QuaD-: Pretty easy [05:14] <chillywilly> then I tunnel from my home network whioch has 2 samba sever configured to use the WINS server on that end [05:14] <chillywilly> workgroup here is LET [05:14] <|QuaD-> bddebian: i am considering taking an old box and putting ubuntu on it and using it at work [05:14] <chillywilly> FRODO and GANDALF are the hosts [05:14] <|QuaD-> right now its a windows only operation [05:14] <bddebian> chillywilly: So just add hosts entries darnit :-) [05:14] <chillywilly> there's a bunch of boxes on the corp IT network [05:14] <|QuaD-> chillywilly: OUR webmaster used to name them LOTR chars too [05:14] <chillywilly> that does not make browsing work [05:14] <|QuaD-> i changed the naming to citys [05:14] <chillywilly> I have /etc/hosts entries for everything [05:15] <bddebian> chillywilly: It can. [05:15] <bddebian> chillywilly: What are you trying to browse with? [05:15] <chillywilly> I suppose I can put hosts in the revolve order thingy [05:15] <bddebian> Aye [05:15] <chillywilly> nautilus and/or winXP when I am at work :) [05:15] <|QuaD-> my goal is to replace our exchange server with something like hula [05:15] <|QuaD-> problem is, exchange really does a nice job [05:15] <chillywilly> I have a Ubuntu and WinXP box on my desk at work [05:15] <bddebian> chillywilly: If you have to you could even add LMHOSTS entries to the Windows boxen [05:15] <chillywilly> an* [05:16] <bddebian> |QuaD-: You didn't actually say that did you?? ;-) [05:16] <chillywilly> that's true but this all seems like a pain in the ass [05:16] <chillywilly> I eventually want to tie together all MX machines into one big network via openvpn [05:16] <chillywilly> we have 16 locations nation wide [05:16] <bddebian> So is WINS over a router, I told you that :-) [05:16] <|QuaD-> bddebian: i don't like microsoft, but i think they did well with exchange, incredibly easy to admin [05:16] <bddebian> |QuaD-: Yep [05:17] <bddebian> |QuaD-: Though Exchange 2K is a little squirrely with the AD integration I think [05:17] <|QuaD-> bddebian: and it has a lot of functionality, i can't find a free linux product that is as functional [05:17] <|QuaD-> bddebian: we are using 5.5 :) [05:17] <bddebian> Ahhh :-) [05:17] <|QuaD-> bddebian: i am deciding between upgrading to 2k3 or some linux groupwar [05:17] <|QuaD-> e [05:17] <|QuaD-> problem is, if something isn't broke, then don't fix it [05:18] <chillywilly> bddebian: my home network is just a "test" for setting up one of our branches ;) [05:18] <|QuaD-> bddebian: do you know of any free exchange alternatives? [05:18] <bddebian> |QuaD-: Have you looked at Exchange4Linux? I haven't looked at it in quite a while [05:19] <chillywilly> I want to go out and buy wrt54gs's and load a customer firmware into them to create our VPN as that seems like a cheap linux-based solution :) [05:19] <|QuaD-> bddebian: no, what is it? [05:19] <chillywilly> custom* [05:19] <|QuaD-> i can't really look now, my X is still b0rked :( [05:19] <chillywilly> just have those routers at each location [05:19] <|QuaD-> and i am getting mad at links/lynx [05:19] <chillywilly> running openvpn and/or samba [05:19] <comadreja> chillywilly I have a wap54g and works great [05:20] <comadreja> chillywilly :) I only have problems with my laptop's wpa_supplicant on startup [05:20] <chillywilly> well with a wrt54gs this device will be their default gateway too :) [05:20] <chillywilly> and they're relatively cheap, ~$70 on newegg.com [05:20] <comadreja> chillywilly I see, I have a linux router as default gateway [05:21] <bddebian> chillywilly: Use a hardware solution, it's usually easier to administer anyway. [05:21] <chillywilly> I have a debian box with 2 nics in it here [05:21] <chillywilly> bddebian: it is a hardware solution [05:21] <comadreja> :) [05:21] <chillywilly> it's a linksys router for crying out loud [05:21] <chillywilly> just happens to run linux :) [05:21] <bddebian> chillywilly: Huh??? [05:21] <chillywilly> which makes it infinitely more configurable [05:22] <chillywilly> I already have the VPN working, just wrestling with winblows networking [05:22] <bddebian> OK, should I fix my python-pyrtf package or continue with merge bugs??? [05:22] <chillywilly> I can ping back and for between the 2 private LANS [05:22] <bddebian> chillywilly: By hostname? [05:22] <chillywilly> sure [05:22] <chillywilly> well no [05:22] <chillywilly> by IP address [05:22] <ajmitch> chillywilly: you don't need broadcast for WINS, I hope? [05:22] <bddebian> Ah ha [05:22] <chillywilly> no, WINS is unicast UDP [05:23] <ajmitch> thought so [05:23] <bddebian> WINS is puke [05:23] <chillywilly> you cannot do broadcast over a tunnel [05:23] <bddebian> Use DNS [05:23] <comadreja> ajmitch openvpn in it's tap mode acts as a layer2 device [05:23] <ajmitch> chillywilly: sure, if it's a layer2 tunnel [05:23] <ajmitch> comadreja: not surprising [05:23] <chillywilly> tap device you mean? [05:23] <ajmitch> I've got a layer 2 tunnel setup here [05:24] <chillywilly> well openvpn doesn't use a layer 2 tunnel then [05:24] <ajmitch> multipoint, does ethernet over udp [05:24] <comadreja> chillywilly yes, you can configure it to be a layer 2 tunnel [05:24] <chillywilly> how? [05:24] <ajmitch> my setup is good for doing ipv6 :) [05:24] <comadreja> chillywilly using the tap device instead of the tun [05:25] <chillywilly> tap sucks [05:25] <comadreja> chillywilly there are documents explaining it [05:25] <chillywilly> I know [05:25] <ajmitch> chillywilly: so does WINS, :P [05:25] <chillywilly> but tap is crappy [05:25] <chillywilly> yes WINS sucks too [05:25] <chillywilly> :) [05:25] <comadreja> everything sucks :D [05:25] <chillywilly> weee [05:26] <comadreja> btw, is there any document on the procedure on how to review pacakges ? [05:29] <chillywilly> I think ssh should be part of ubuntu-desktop [05:30] <chillywilly> drives me nuts when I get home and realize that I have no sshd installed on a machine that is behind the NAT/firewall :( [05:30] <ajmitch> chillywilly: there's a policy of no services by default [05:30] <chillywilly> blah [05:31] <chillywilly> I swear I had it installed too so I am thinking something ripped it out [05:31] <chillywilly> a recent upgrade or whatever [05:31] <chillywilly> maybe not [05:31] <chillywilly> probably jsut forgot to install it after redoing an install [05:42] <bddebian> ack WTF. I cannot log in to REVU.. :-( [05:51] <ricosuave17> hello [05:53] <bddebian> Hello ricosuave17 [05:54] <ricosuave17> if i make a new .deb can i geti ti to u [05:55] <ajmitch> you can put it up for review & we can take a look at it [05:55] <ricosuave17> ok ill see what i can do but cant it be uploaded quicker? [05:56] <ajmitch> not without us checking it [05:57] <ricosuave17> ok but how can u check like 300000 packages a day [05:57] <ajmitch> we don't [05:57] <ricosuave17> then what do u u do [05:58] <comadreja> we check only new and updated packages [06:01] <ricosuave17> well dont peolep make lots of those [06:01] <ajmitch> nope [06:01] <ricosuave17> why not [06:02] <ajmitch> because there are already about 20000 packages in ubuntu [06:02] <ajmitch> and someone would have to care enough about something to package it [06:02] <ricosuave17> well there are lots of thing on freshmeat that dont have packges [06:02] <ricosuave17> only rpms [06:03] <ajmitch> if they're useful, feel free to package them [06:04] <ricosuave17> is it hard to make packags? [06:04] <ajmitch> depends on the software that you're packaging [06:04] <ajmitch> generally, it's not too hard [06:05] <ajmitch> there are a number of things that you need to learn to do it well [06:05] <ricosuave17> what thingies? [06:05] <bddebian> How to bow to ajmitch for starters ;-) [06:05] <ricosuave17> ajmitch: ??? [06:06] <bddebian> ricosuave17: You need to understand a little about how Debian/Ubuntu packaging works [06:06] <bddebian> ricosuave17: Try the Debian New Maintainers guide as a good starting point [06:06] <ricosuave17> ok [06:10] <ricosuave17> have u seen a packgae for gconfigure [06:11] <bddebian> I haven't personally but that doesn't mean a whole lot :-) [06:13] <ricosuave17> well anyway. there seems to be no package for it [06:17] <bddebian> gconfigure is different than gconf2? [06:18] <ajmitch> yes [06:18] <Lathiat> wtf is gconfigure [06:18] <ajmitch> use google, it shows you :) [06:18] <ajmitch> some gui frontend to running ./configure [06:19] <ricosuave17> yes can someone help me find some equivalnet plz [06:19] <Lathiat> oh thats cool [06:19] <bddebian> ajmitch: Who has time for google, I'm trying to merge man.. ;-) [06:19] <ricosuave17> maybe if xchat had google in it [06:22] <bddebian> Damn I have GOT to create a message filter for bugzilla.. Sheesh [06:22] <ricosuave17> i think freshmeat should have a deb repostery [06:23] <bddebian> Use alien and convert it if you just want it for yourself [06:24] <ricosuave17> but well wat if its tar.gz [06:24] <bddebian> ./configure && make :-) [06:24] <ajmitch> then someone has to put in a little effort & package it [06:25] <ricosuave17> but ./configure wont also work right [06:25] <Lathiat> hrm [06:26] <Lathiat> i take it 'xmkmf' is missing from xutils [06:26] <Lathiat> liek the other things [06:26] <ajmitch> Lathiat: quite likely [06:26] <Lathiat> sigh, this is blocking so many thing [06:26] <Lathiat> s [06:26] <Lathiat> any idea when that'l be fixed? [06:27] <ajmitch> fly to melbourne [06:27] <ajmitch> give daniels some beer [06:27] <ajmitch> repeat step above [06:27] <Lathiat> heh [06:27] <Lathiat> i already owe him a carton [06:27] <ajmitch> although it's probably closer for me to fly to melbourne [06:28] <Lathiat> or i could ask someone to send it for me :) [06:28] <ajmitch> where's the fun in that? [06:29] <bddebian> Lathiat: Yes [06:29] <bddebian> or yes its missing. Its from xutils which got split in xorg I think [06:30] <ajmitch> Lathiat: btw how's the ipv6 stuff going? :) [06:30] <Lathiat> ajmitch: havent really done much lately [06:31] <ajmitch> closest decent tunnel broker for me is aarnet, which is a bit limiting [06:31] <Lathiat> ajmitch: where are you from? [06:31] <Lathiat> and whats wrong with aarnet? [06:31] <ajmitch> dunedin [06:31] <Lathiat> ahh [06:31] <Lathiat> are you on the lca committee? [06:32] <ajmitch> nope [06:32] <ajmitch> I'll probably get dragged into being a volunteer though around LCA time [06:32] <ajmitch> since I worked for one of the committee guys [06:37] <Lathiat> ugh i hate C++ [06:38] <Lathiat> oen link just filled like 1500 liens with errors [06:38] <Lathiat> lots of lovely undefined references [06:38] <ajmitch> better than multi-line template errors [06:38] <ajmitch> where you try & read an error message spanning 10 lines.. [06:38] <Lathiat> heh [07:00] <bddebian> Well gnight folks [07:00] <ajmitch> night bddebian [07:42] <dholbach> hey [07:42] <dholbach> how's the review day coming on? [07:43] <ajmitch> since I just got home from work [07:43] <dholbach> poor you :/ [07:46] <ajmitch> hmm, didn't realise that liferea was in universe [07:47] <dholbach> arglargl [07:47] <ajmitch> REVI? :) [07:47] <ajmitch> heh [07:54] <crimsun> bbl, need sleep [07:54] <dholbach> sleep tight [08:11] <chillywilly> yaaaay, it works [08:11] <chillywilly> w00t [08:12] <dholbach> chillywilly: whaaaaaaaaaat wooooooooorks? [08:12] <chillywilly> erm, winblows browsing over my openvpn tunnel via samba and WINS [08:12] <dholbach> excellent [08:50] <dholbach> who of you still has stuff on MOTUNewPackages and MOTUToReview ? could you please help clean up? [08:50] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: did you see: there's a new FUSA release [08:59] <dholbach> anthony mercacante? [09:12] <dholbach> who of you is having fun reviewing as well? :-p [09:13] <dholbach> shall we just trash MOTUNewPackages and MOTUToReview? [09:59] <dholbach> i'm off to university - see you later - HAPPY REVIEWING! [10:38] <\sh> moins dholbach :) [10:38] <dholbach> re [10:39] <dholbach> \sh: happy review day :) [10:40] <mitsuhiko> hi [10:40] <\sh> dholbach: hehe :) I'm just arrived at office..totally tired :( [10:40] <dholbach> i can imagine - how was your night? [10:41] <dholbach> hi mitsuhiko [10:41] <\sh> dholbach: terrible [10:41] <mitsuhiko> small information. the initscript of mldonkey has an mistace. 'if [ -z "$MDLONKEY_DIR" ] ; then' should be 'if [ -z "$MLDONKEY_DIR" ] ; then' [10:41] <\sh> dholbach: 20 services gone cause of the thunderstorm [10:41] <mitsuhiko> hi dholbach [10:42] <dholbach> mitsuhiko: fix it and write a bug report :) [10:42] <dholbach> (to debian) [10:42] <\sh> dholbach: but not on our equipment ... so i had to track down which equipment was the faulty one...tried to reach the other guys...and then tried to get everything running again [10:42] <mitsuhiko> dholbach: ok. I'll do [10:43] <\sh> dholbach: but after 1 1/2h i went back home...and couldn't sleep at all.this morning 6am I felt asleep :( [10:45] <dholbach> ouch :/ [10:46] <\sh> yes..ouch [10:50] <HostingGeek> Google(TM) [11:23] <dholbach> where are the REVIEW DAY live messages? :) [11:24] <ogra> wow [11:25] <dholbach> looks excellent [11:25] <ogra> yep, down to 72.... 13 of them pending for upload :) [11:26] <ogra> in 7 days down from 240 :) [11:26] <dholbach> we have such a rocking MOTU crew :) [11:27] <ogra> yep :) but next time we should have a better claendar (at least one where people look at) that we dont catch the date one day before deadline.... :) everybody missed it [11:28] <ogra> dholbach, we're missing your good organization :) [11:28] <dholbach> it WAS on the calendar and i put it on MOTUTodo some weeks before :) [11:28] <dholbach> but you're right, we should have raised awareness to a higher extent [11:28] <ogra> dholbach, that doesnt help if nobody looks at it :) [11:28] <dholbach> true that [11:29] <ogra> and no dholbach pokes us all to look ;) [11:29] <dholbach> merci beaucoup, monsieur :) [11:30] <ogra> ;) [11:32] <dholbach> reviewing min12xxw [11:37] <dholbach> reviewing ceferino [11:37] <Mez> review day [11:37] <Mez> *bounces* [11:38] <dholbach> woohoo! :) [11:39] <dholbach> who votes in favor of trashing MOTUToReview and MOTUNewPackages? [11:39] <ogra> huh MOTUToReview ? [11:39] <Mez> dholbach, er, [11:39] <ogra> i thought MOTUToReview got trashed long time ago in favor of revu.... the packages shoudl move over [11:40] <dholbach> that's my opinion too [11:40] <Mez> since when was debian/control not needed in a package? [11:40] <dholbach> Mez: debian/control. <--- DOT [11:40] <Mez> ah [11:40] <dholbach> the pages didn't receive significant changes in the last three weeks afaik [11:40] <ogra> since when do packages build without a control file ? [11:40] <Mez> fair engouh [11:41] <Mez> ogra, I was confused at dholbach's comment of " debian/control. not needed," [11:41] <ogra> heh [11:42] <dholbach> debian/control is for losers! [11:42] <ogra> php4-universe will likely move to main [11:42] <ogra> except i get all edubuntu stuf running on php5, which i doubt [11:43] <Mez> ogra: why will it move into main? [11:44] <ogra> Mez, because moodle and mediawiki move.... [11:44] <ogra> the mediawiki package debian just prepares cant use php5.... [11:44] <ogra> (if a package moves to main, all its dependencys have to move as well) [11:45] <ogra> its a long buerocratic process [11:46] <dholbach> reviewing kio-apt [11:46] <koke> hi all! [11:46] <dholbach> hey KOKE! [11:47] <koke> how are you? [11:47] <dholbach> fine... thank you - still busy with my thesis, but taking a break for REVIEW DAY! :) [11:47] <dholbach> how are you? [11:48] <Mez> hmm [11:48] <Mez> my package is making a config.guess and config.sub on a debuild -S -sa [11:48] <dholbach> Mez: in my opinion that's a good thing to do [11:48] <ogra> it is [11:48] <Mez> dholbah - why [11:48] <Mez> I was bitched at before for having them in it [11:48] <koke> I've been quite busy [11:49] <Mez> and someone bitched at them being in the diff [11:49] <ogra> you shoudlnt have it in the debdiff [11:49] <koke> too much work at job, finals, and new job now [11:49] <dholbach> Mez: since you don't rely on a *random* recent autotools-dev (/usr/share/misc) on the build daemon - you have more control over what you upload [11:49] <ogra> it should get copied on build time... [11:49] <koke> I *need* to get back on MOTU work :) [11:49] <koke> I missed this :P [11:49] <dholbach> koke: i can imagine - i want to get back to it too [11:49] <Mez> so I should shove it into my .orig.tar.gz ? [11:49] <dholbach> ogra: then you rely on having a *random* one on the building machine [11:49] <koke> now, there's no time for FindingPackages in breezy :( [11:50] <dholbach> Mez: no - keep the orig.tar.gz as it is [11:50] <Mez> dholbach, but, it's now putting them in diff.gz [11:50] <ogra> dholbach, but a matching one that fits te distro... its not *this* random [11:50] <ogra> dholbach, and you have a heavily cluttered diff [11:50] <dholbach> it's like auto* stuff done on a buildd - it makes me feel uneasy [11:51] <dholbach> "heavily cluttered" is *heavily* exaggerated :) [11:51] <Mez> well, then [11:51] <Mez> can you guys review this [11:51] <Mez> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=161 [11:51] <ogra> dholbach, so tell me the difference of one that i copy locally into the sourcepackag in breezy or one the buildd copies from the same package at buildtime [11:51] <Mez> and then see what I'm on about [11:51] <dholbach> we're talking about two files - depending on the recent-ness of the upstream author's system [11:51] <Mez> dholbach, this is a new package [11:52] <dholbach> ogra: i have control over what i upload and what is built, there's a reason dh_make's rules-file and cdbs does it automagically [11:52] <dholbach> Mez: i'll do it after kio-apt [11:53] <comadreja> hey dholbach :) [11:53] <comadreja> good morning all [11:53] <dholbach> morning comadreja :) [11:53] <ogra> dholbach, i only opload for one release of one distro... there is no difference, except it makes the diff readable [11:54] <comadreja> dholbach : I would like to comment on one of my packages [11:54] <dholbach> comadreja: fire away [11:54] <Mez> ogra: in your opinion where should the cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.sub config.sub; cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.guess config.guess be in debian/rules [11:54] <comadreja> dholbach : could you check control.in in gmail-notify ? [11:55] <ogra> Mez, in my opinion it belongs in the beginning of the build target [11:55] <comadreja> dholbach : because it is cdbs autogenerated [11:55] <ogra> Mez, in dholbachs opinion it belongs in the clean target [11:55] <ogra> for me thats an abuse of the clean target [11:56] <Mez> ogra, well dh_make puts it there automatically [11:56] <ogra> i know [11:56] <dholbach> comadreja: you should build-depend on a specific python version as well [11:56] <comadreja> dholbach : it is done by dh_python [11:56] <ogra> Mez, but if you clean your flat, do you carry the dust in or out ? [11:56] <dholbach> ogra: in the clean target you make sure, that when you build a source package you have a recent config.{guess,sub} [11:57] <ogra> dholbach, in the build target you make that sure too since its the same version :) [11:57] <Mez> dholbach, to be fair, for me - it'd pull in .guess and .sub from hoary [11:57] <Mez> which could be a problem [11:57] <dholbach> comadreja: do you have to ship the control file if you have the control.in - i was just astounded by the explicit depends line [11:58] <Mez> I do agree with ogra [11:58] <dholbach> Mez: if you're on hoary you can't guarantee that the package will build/work on breezy - that's a bigger problem [11:59] <comadreja> dholbach : I just wrote control.in the rest is cdbs... it is regenerated on every debian/rules clean [11:59] <dholbach> ogra: but you rely on some magic done on the buildd - which is something i strongly oppose against [11:59] <dholbach> comadreja: the explicit depends line as well? [11:59] <ogra> dholbach, all breezy packages *must* build on on hoary now... we have a backports policy [11:59] <comadreja> dholbach : yes [11:59] <dholbach> ogra: you have to make sure it works in breezy in the first place [11:59] <dholbach> comadreja: that's funny :) [11:59] <ogra> dholbach, nope [11:59] <Mez> dholbach, I use a pbuilder [11:59] <ogra> dholbach, you have to make sure it works in both [12:00] <dholbach> ogra: "first" :) [12:00] <ogra> dholbach, you are not the person who needs to test it (that Mez) but the one to fix it if it doesnt work [12:00] <ogra> s/that/thats [12:00] <dholbach> Mez: i know, but that doesnt help you with the source package - does it? :) [12:00] <Mez> dholbach, wha? [12:00] <comadreja> dholbach : do you advocate now ? [12:01] <Mez> dholbach, all my packages for brezy go through a pbuilder before I make a source package [12:01] <dholbach> comadreja: i'll have another look [12:01] <dholbach> Mez: yeah - i got that point [12:01] <Mez> dholbach, are you saying that my packages are going to not work because I use a chroot to build them? [12:01] <dholbach> Mez: but the pbuilder doesnt help with you config.{guess,sub} in the clean target, which you call on hoary system, right? [12:02] <dholbach> Mez: not neccessarily "don't work" [12:02] <Mez> dholbach, hence why you move it to the build target [12:02] <dholbach> Mez: i'm talking about control over what is built [12:02] <dholbach> Mez: I don't move it to the build target? [12:02] <dholbach> Mez: did i say that somewhere? [12:02] <dholbach> Mez, ogra: i understand both approaches [12:02] <Mez> dholbach, but, you're using breezy are you not? [12:02] <dholbach> yes [12:03] <Mez> therefore, you can do that, and not neccesarily cause problems [12:03] <Mez> for noe [12:03] <Mez> now * [12:03] <dholbach> Mez, ogra: but since i got flamed for invoking automake on a buildd, which might be compared (modifying the build system on the buildd), i have my reasons to like the clean-target approach better [12:03] <dholbach> but i'm ok with both ideas/approaches/religions [12:03] <ogra> dholbach, i'm not talking about running any auto* stuff [12:04] <Mez> dholbach, this is a simeple copy of 2 files [12:04] <Mez> not auto* [12:04] <ogra> its only copying of two files :) [12:04] <dholbach> ogra: i'm talking about modifying build system stuff on the buildd [12:04] <dholbach> i know [12:05] <ogra> and i make sure its the most recent version for the distro if i copy it on the buildd [12:05] <Mez> dholbach, it's not modifying the build system [12:05] <ogra> so i dont see te problem here....beside a silly default habit of dh_make [12:05] <dholbach> you're relying on the build system on whatever box your package is built - that's what i'm talking about - you're assuming it will be alright [12:06] <Mez> the build will be done in a chroot, so it'll just get from the chroot, not from anywhere else and means you get latest version of .guess and .sub [12:06] <ogra> dholbach, i rely on the *distro* which is the base for m build system [12:06] <ogra> my even [12:06] <dholbach> it's alright with me, absolutely [12:08] <dholbach> maybe we should take that discussion to ubuntu-devel@ [12:09] <dholbach> might be nice to hear some additional statements on it [12:09] <Mez> I was thinking that dholbach [12:09] <dholbach> cool [12:12] <dholbach> comadreja: couldnt advocate it - doesnt it build on amd64? [12:15] <comadreja> dholbach : problem is upstream authos includes a .so [12:15] <comadreja> dholbach : without it's sources [12:15] <dholbach> ouch [12:15] <dholbach> double-ouch [12:16] <dholbach> i'm not quite sure how we handle that license-wise [12:16] <comadreja> it's also included in package straw, with it's sources [12:16] <comadreja> so it's gpl'ed [12:17] <comadreja> but this author was quite crappy , if I may say [12:17] <dholbach> not sure how we handle that [12:17] <Mez> * maybe you could rm debian/control in the clean target - only for beauty reasons. :) [12:17] <Mez> wtf? [12:18] <comadreja> ogra ? [12:18] <dholbach> Mez: he has debian/control.in which generates debian/control [12:18] <Mez> oh, ok [12:18] <Mez> lol [12:18] <ogra> comadreja, ? [12:19] <ogra> control.in is da uglyness [12:19] <ogra> but sadly many people do it... [12:19] <comadreja> ogra, yes, in package gmail-notify, upstream author includes a gpl .so already compiled without sources [12:19] <dholbach> ogra: it isnt :) [12:19] <dholbach> ogra: sorry to oppose again [12:19] <dholbach> Mez: reviewed gaim-assistant [12:20] <dholbach> constructs? [12:20] <ogra> yes, [12:20] <dholbach> what's that? [12:20] <dholbach> a package? [12:20] <jsgotangco> see you all later, i gotta grab some food at the grocer... [12:20] <ogra> dholbach, whats the usecase to have a .in file there ? [12:21] <dholbach> ogra: debian gnome packages add a dynamically added uploads line (to make sure everybody in the gnome team can upload) [12:21] <dholbach> ogra: cdbs takes care of tools you might need (bunzip2, sharutils, python, ...) [12:21] <ogra> everybody can upload ??? [12:21] <dholbach> no [12:21] <dholbach> everybody in the team [12:21] <dholbach> it's created by gnome.mk or gnome-pkg-tools or something [12:21] <comadreja> damn, yesterday I had a package without cdbs, and everybody recommended me to use cdbs :D [12:22] <ogra> shuldnt the uploaders be handled by the kaeyring and not in the control file ? thats silly [12:22] <comadreja> then I reupload with cdbs, and look :D [12:22] <dholbach> they add the guys mail adress one time and he can upload all the packages that use it [12:22] <ogra> comadreja, *shudder* [12:22] <dholbach> ogra: we're talking about debian - they don't have a debian gnome keyring - they don't want to do NMUs all the time [12:22] <ogra> comadreja, use cdbs wisely wher it makes sense [12:22] <dholbach> comadreja: the problem is not cdbs - the problem is the .so file [12:22] <ogra> comadreja, but only there [12:23] <Mez> dholbach, i have no idea what your build problem is [12:23] <dholbach> comadreja: binary files are bad [12:23] <dholbach> Mez: it's what i get in a breezy pbuilder [12:23] <comadreja> dholbach : I know, it's not my fault, upstream put it there [12:23] <Mez> dholbach, amd64? [12:23] <ogra> comadreja, for many usecases cdbs is overkill... you run tons of stuff you dont need [12:23] <dholbach> Mez: yeah [12:23] <dholbach> comadreja: that's what you wanted to ask ogra, right? :) [12:23] <comadreja> yep [12:24] <dholbach> well, put him on the right track :) [12:24] <ogra> comadreja, where does the .so file come from ? [12:24] <comadreja> ogra .orig [12:25] <comadreja> ogra actually I think it's a library from straw [12:25] <ogra> comadreja, i mean is this .so file in another package already ? [12:25] <comadreja> ogra yes, in straw [12:25] <ogra> oki... is it needed at build time ? [12:25] <comadreja> nopes, runtime [12:25] <dholbach> then it should depend on it, shouldnt it? [12:25] <ogra> then just depend on it and make sure the package uses that one [12:26] <dholbach> comadreja: i thought it was a random other one, sorry for getting you wrong [12:26] <comadreja> cool, I'll change that [12:27] <dholbach> and drop the architecture line accordingly [12:28] <ogra> look that there is no statically link path to that file in your source code ;) i've ssen such crap if packages try to ship .so files themselves... [12:29] <dholbach> i think i now went over most of the packages [12:29] <dholbach> *LUNCH!* [12:37] <comadreja> package straw has broken dependencies :/ [12:37] <comadreja> straw: Depends: python-gnome2-extras but it is not going to be installed [12:40] <ogra> hmm, that has to wait for a working python-gnome2-extras then :/ [12:40] <ogra> poke seb128 [12:41] <comadreja> seems in was libgda issue [12:41] <comadreja> s/in/it [12:44] <Lathiat> Anyone else persistently have problems with gnome-panel not picking up menu changes? [12:51] <Nafallo> Lathiat: indeed [12:51] <Nafallo> Lathiat: pkill gnome-panel would be an ugly workaround [12:51] <Lathiat> so annoying :\ [12:51] <Lathiat> Nafallo: sure, but that sucks [12:51] <Lathiat> and breaks lots of things [12:51] <Lathiat> cus the system tray goes away [12:51] <Nafallo> ++ [12:52] <Lathiat> and too many apps crash/lose the icon [01:00] <dholbach> woohoo - soundconverter ready to go! [01:00] <dholbach> review day happiness! :) [01:00] <Lathiat> heh [01:01] <Lathiat> while your at it, http://bur.st/~lathiat/ubuntu/breezy/rezound.debdiff :) [01:04] <dholbach> Lathiat: did your mail adress already get whitelisted? [01:04] <Lathiat> no [01:05] <Lathiat> who do i ask about that [01:05] <dholbach> elmo or inifinity (maybe) [01:05] <Lathiat> thats probably why i didnt notice bzflag go up [01:05] <dholbach> yeah [01:08] <dholbach> Lathiat: want me to wait or just upload? [01:09] <Lathiat> may as well wait [01:09] <dholbach> alright [01:09] <dholbach> i have the patched package lying just here :) [01:10] <dholbach> we have the first package (soundconverter) uploaded - review day success already! :) [01:10] <ogra> does it make sense to upload heavy 3D stuff if we're awaiting a GLU transition ? [01:11] <Lathiat> its my understanding that the glu transition is no longer needed [01:11] <dholbach> sure :) [01:11] <dholbach> our users have bandwidth and the buildd should be kept busy ;) [01:11] <ogra> the package names will change... it will need a recompile [01:11] <Lathiat> ah [01:12] <Lathiat> hrm [01:12] <ogra> but i'm not sure how outdated my info is... best to ask daniels how long it will take or if i missed if it was done already [01:12] <Lathiat> yeh [01:12] <Lathiat> im abit confused now [01:13] <dholbach> brb [01:13] <ogra> Lathiat, wait for daniels [01:15] <sladen> ogra: kbootsplash probably won't break usplash too much. It won't make much sense to enable them together [01:15] <ogra> yep... [02:29] <slomo> good morning :) [02:33] <slomo> comadreja: ping? [02:54] <comadreja> slomo : pong [02:55] <slomo> comadreja: could you solve the problems? :) [02:55] <comadreja> slomo : yes, finally everything was solved [02:56] <comadreja> slomo : luckily :) [02:57] <slomo> comadreja: oh show me :) [02:57] <comadreja> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=224 [02:58] <comadreja> ogra told me to use a dependency with straw [02:58] <comadreja> instead of putting the library right in [02:58] <slomo> hmm and that works? do you install the so file from gmail-notify? [02:59] <comadreja> I made gmail-notify depend on straw, straw installs the so [03:00] <comadreja> that way I can have an Architecture: all [03:01] <slomo> ok, looks good for me :) and you worked with the automatic control file managment ;) [03:01] <comadreja> I followed the docs :) [03:01] <\sh> damn [03:01] <slomo> i haven't used that yet [03:01] <slomo> hmm... is pkg-config in breezy broken? pkg-config without parameters segfaults for me :( [03:01] <\sh> bloody 5 hours in ner1 [03:02] <slomo> ah with --help as parameter [03:02] <comadreja> brb [03:06] <Mez> anyone here use AMD64 ? [03:06] <slomo> \sh: what happened? [03:07] <\sh> slomo: some dtv services are broken..we try to fix this shit..has to do with scrambling and nagra and some other hardware vendors..it's a mess here [03:08] <Nafallo> Mez: yes [03:09] <Mez> Nafallo, can you test my upload for me in a sec, just to see it works properly now on AMD64 [03:09] <Nafallo> Mez: sure. just tell me where to find the sources :-) [03:10] <Mez> Nafallo, just shoving them on REVU noew [03:11] <Nafallo> Mez: k3b-i18n? [03:13] <Mez> no - gaim-assistant [03:13] <Mez> k3b-i8ln = PITA [03:14] <Mez> it bitches if i have -Indep [03:14] <Mez> and bitches if I dont [03:14] <Nafallo> :-) oki [03:14] <Mez> but, please try gaim-assistant [03:15] <Mez> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=231 [03:16] <comadreja> back [03:20] <Mez> Thanks Nafallo poke me when done please [03:20] <slomo> waah... i have to rework all my revu uploads and write manpages... :( someone here who knows good docs on how to write manpages [03:20] <Nafallo> Mez: I will, installed deps now. [03:23] <Nafallo> Mez: http://pastebin.com/323708 [03:28] <Mez> grr [03:28] <Mez> anyone know how to fix that [03:28] <Mez> cause i don [03:34] <chmj> how do I close a bug in malone ? [03:35] <chmj> nm found it [03:39] <bddebian> Howdy [03:41] <bddebian> slomo: ping [03:41] <slomo> hi bddebian :) [03:41] <bddebian> Heya slomo [03:42] <slomo> do you have experience with writing manpages? ;) [03:42] <bddebian> slomo: I fixed the first parts of your comments. But how do I fix the build dir in the tarball? [03:42] <bddebian> slomo: Actually yes, why [03:43] <slomo> bddebian: because i have to write many... and for some programs i don't even know what exactly they're doing :( [03:43] <slomo> bddebian: and for the tarball... just take the upstream tarball instead of your changed one [03:44] <bddebian> Uhhh :-) [03:44] <bddebian> slomo: Check out help2man [03:44] <slomo> thanks... seems like i have much work to do today... grmpf ;) [04:08] <thoreauputic> HostingGeek: umm - why the ctcp ? [04:08] <thoreauputic> HostingGeek: anything I can do for you/ [04:08] <thoreauputic> ? [04:08] <bddebian> He hit you to? [04:08] <thoreauputic> yup [04:08] <bddebian> What is CTCP ROOT PASSWORD? [04:08] <Burgundavia> seems I didn't get blessed [04:09] <thoreauputic> bddebian: doesn't sound very friendly, does it? [04:09] <Burgundavia> no [04:09] <bddebian> thoreauputic: No, it doesn't :-) [04:09] <Burgundavia> oh, now I just blessed [04:10] <Burgundavia> HostingGeek, I suggest you quit it [04:10] <thoreauputic> haha - real name " 1337" [04:10] <thoreauputic> rofl [04:13] <\sh> 7ctcp HostingGeek RETURN_PASSWORD: ALT-F4 [04:14] <Gazer> hi, I run dupload instead of dput and I think that I upload something to upload.ubuntu.com :S, I need to report that ? [04:15] <bddebian> Gazer: Are you an approved uploader? [04:15] <Gazer> bddebian, nop [04:15] <\sh> Gazer: don't worry [04:15] <bddebian> Gazer: Then it should get dropped automagically [04:16] <\sh> elmo will hunt you down tomorrow ,-) [04:16] <Gazer> :P [04:16] <slomo> hmm, can somebody help me a bit with dh_makeshlibs, dh_shlibdeps and cdbs? i have a package which consists of a binary package and a library package... the binary package needs to depend exactly on the same version of the library package as it is build with... and i only want the depend one time... when i add a depend with (= ${Source-Version}) in control i get a correct depend and an unversioned one [04:17] <\sh> anyways...going home now..looks like I have to come back to office later this night [04:17] <slomo> also DEB_SHLIBDEPS_INCLUDE doesn't work as intented it seems... or i use it the wrong way ;) [04:17] <Nafallo> I dunno if I'm approved, but seems I'm not since my uploads didn't got built :-P [04:18] <\sh> Nafallo: u r approved motu..send the key and everything to elmo? [04:18] <bddebian> slomo: What's the best way to upload my fixes to REVU? dput -P -f revu *_source.changes ?? [04:19] <\sh> Nafallo: so w8 :) [04:19] <slomo> bddebian: yes [04:19] <Nafallo> \sh: yepp. he will probably answer those mails? [04:19] <bddebian> slomo: Thx [04:19] <Nafallo> \sh: or do I have to try when it works? :-) [04:19] <\sh> Nafallo: dunnoo..I just tried many times ;-) [04:19] <Nafallo> hehe [04:20] <Nafallo> I tried today indeed ;-) [04:20] <bddebian> slomo: Well I THINK the fixes are up now. :- [04:20] <bddebian> ) [04:20] <\sh> it's only 2days...since approval...so put 5 on it ,-) [04:20] <\sh> anyways..I'm gone...later gentlemen...I'm really finished today [04:23] <Gazer> wget http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/ceferino-0507281615/ceferino_0.95-0ubuntu1_source.changes [04:23] <Gazer> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden [04:23] <Gazer> thats normal ? [04:24] <Gazer> s/thats/that is/ [04:27] <Nafallo> Gazer: atleast for me [04:32] <slomo> bddebian: ping? your tarball for python-pyrtf is missing in revu [04:33] <bddebian> slomo: It is? [04:34] <bddebian> slomo: I just did dput -P -f revu *_source.changes Is there something else I need to do? [04:35] <slomo> bddebian: have you run dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa or without the -sa? [04:35] <bddebian> Oh, hehe, I think I forgot -sa [04:37] <bddebian> slomo: OK [04:44] <slomo> bddebian: you've a vote :) [04:44] <bddebian> slomo: Thx d00d :-) [04:45] <bddebian> siretart: ping [04:47] <slomo> hm... work for today: write 18 manpages and fight with dependency generation *cries* [04:49] <bddebian> Manpages are t3h suXX0r [04:53] <slomo> oh and a MainInclusionReport for boo ;) hmm... bddebian? is a simple help2man manpage enough for a package manpage? [04:56] <bddebian> slomo: Well it's better than nothing which is what most packages ship.. ;-) [04:56] <bddebian> slomo: MainInclusionReport?? [04:57] <slomo> bddebian: well... but nothing seems not to be allowed... at least dholbach said i have to include some :/ [04:57] <slomo> bddebian: UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements [04:57] <slomo> bddebian: in the wiki ;) [04:58] <bddebian> slomo: Ahh :-) [05:07] <siretart> bddebian: pong [05:08] <bddebian> siretart: I am unable to logoin to your REVU page and the recover password thing comes back empty afact?? [05:09] <siretart> bddebian: what is your email address? [05:09] <bddebian> siretart: bddebian@comcast.net or bddebian@bddebian.com [05:10] <siretart> bddebian: try this: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/lostpw.py?email=bddebian@comcast.net [05:12] <bddebian> siretart: That did it, thanks. Weird [05:19] <bddebian> siretart: Still no way to change a password on the site? [05:21] <siretart> bddebian: send me an signed and encrypted email. usermanagment will be in revu2 [05:28] <bddebian> siretart: OK, thx [05:42] <Mez> what happened to reviewing things [05:43] <slomo> Mez: i'll review further when i've fixed all my packages ;) but this may take some time... i need 18 manpages ;) [05:45] <Mez> slomo, whats the point of this [05:45] <Mez> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/faac-0507270200/faac-1.24clean/debian/watch [05:46] <slomo> man uscan ;) when you have a watchfile you can run uscan in your package directory and it checks whether there is a newer version and downloads it for you [05:47] <thoreauputic_> !seen godzirra [05:47] <thoreauputic_> oops [05:47] <thoreauputic_> sorry [06:23] <slomo> can someone have a look at http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=237 ? especially the manpages i've written... [06:45] <\sh> re [06:48] <slomo> wb \sh [06:51] <\sh> sorry...for not being a great help today...but office work has prio 1 :) [06:55] <\sh> I heard u had a happy review day with one new package upload? great :) [06:56] <slomo> lol... well there will be more when some more people look through the uploads... and when i have upload rights :/ [06:56] <slomo> and when i don't have to write 16 manpages ;) [06:57] <dholbach> hey [06:57] <dholbach> how's the review day coming on? :) [06:57] <slomo> hey dholbach :) you've mail ;) [06:58] <slomo> dholbach: it doesn't really start off :/ partly your fault :P i'm currently writing the remaining 16 manpages =) [06:58] <dholbach> ah, i see :) [06:58] <dholbach> oh man... [07:00] <infinito> hi! [07:00] <infinito> i know it's too late [07:00] <dholbach> mh? [07:00] <infinito> but i asked for gcfilms to get synced form debian and don't know what happend... [07:01] <dholbach> infinito: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html should know [07:02] <infinito> dholbach, if it's not there it was nos synced? [07:02] <infinito> (sorry about my crappy english) [07:02] <dholbach> apparently so [07:02] <infinito> ummm [07:02] <lamont> infinito: the other place to look is buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.$ARCH [07:02] <infinito> is there anything i can do to get it synced before breezy release? [07:03] <lamont> which lists source packages and their current state [07:04] <Riddell> who can I get to take a look at qt4 packages? [07:04] <infinito> ummm not there either [07:05] <\sh> Riddell: when it has time until tomorrow evening...I can take a look [07:05] <\sh> but not today [07:06] <infinito> lamont: is there any chance to get it synced? [07:06] <lamont> infinito: not my decision to make [07:07] <dholbach> infinito: state, why it should be synced, confirm that you built the package on your box and it works on #ubuntu-devel or on ubuntu-devel@ [07:07] <dholbach> it's not my decision either [07:07] <dholbach> but it will catch more decision-makers' eyes there [07:07] <infinito> it's been in debian sid for a while [07:07] <dholbach> in #ubuntu-devel :) [07:08] <\sh> infinito: if it's not in ubuntu already...it goes into universe so put it on UniverseCandidates [07:08] <infinito> dholbach, lamont: thank you, i'm gonna try in #ubuntu-devel [07:08] <dholbach> infinito: super [07:08] <infinito> \sh: it's been in UniverseCandidates since long... [07:09] <\sh> infinito: ok..then there is right now no decision made from MOTU...so even elmo won't listen [07:24] <dholbach> we have !!! 3 !!! uploaded packages already [07:24] <dholbach> where's the review party going on as well? [07:33] <HostingGeek> http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/weatherInfo.php?locIndex=55275 [07:36] <comadreja> having a .sgml and using cdbs how do I generate and install a man page ? [07:37] <\sh> comadreja: man docbook2man [07:38] <\sh> and provide a hook in the install target [07:38] <comadreja> thanks \sh :) [07:39] <dholbach> comadreja: gparted has it for example - be sure to remove the generated manpage in the clean target [07:39] <\sh> comadreja: /away [07:39] <\sh> huch [07:39] <dholbach> bbl [07:40] <comadreja> ok [07:43] <\sh> I think I was to harsh [07:44] <comadreja> \sh with whom ? [07:45] <\sh> infinito [07:45] <Lathiat> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/p/pingus/0.6.0-8build1/pingus_0.6.0-8build1_20050724-1644-i386-failed.gz [07:45] <Lathiat> ^ can anyone tell me what the C++ error is likely to mean [07:46] <\sh> hmm...for this I have to look into the code directly [07:47] <comadreja> it's returning a virtual object [07:47] <Lathiat> well, its not returning anything, but its in the constructors definition [07:47] <\sh> sprite_drawable.hxx:49: error: invalid abstract return type for member function 'WorldMapNS::SpriteDrawable WorldMapNS::SpriteDrawable::operator=(const WorldMapNS::SpriteDrawable&)' [07:48] <\sh> it returning WorldMapNS::SpritDrawable [07:49] <\sh> nonsense [07:50] <\sh> sh*t it does [07:51] <\sh> let me try to patch it [07:55] <siretart> hi folks [07:55] <bddebian> Heya siretart [07:56] <\sh> huhu siretart [07:56] <siretart> I just uploaded a new version of wifi-radar, which should fix all issues with it [07:56] <siretart> I'm very sorry that I cannot join you with the review day, but I need to finish my thesis :( [07:56] <Lathiat> \sh: thanks :) cus it confuses the hell out of me :) [07:56] <Lathiat> also most files generate the virtual/non-virtual destructor thing [07:56] <Lathiat> i dunno if thats a problem [07:57] <\sh> Lathiat: no...only a warning [07:58] <dholbach> siretart: don't worry, me too ;-) [07:58] <siretart> dholbach: hey! :) [07:58] <dholbach> siretart: i took some time off for doing one or the other comment ;) [07:58] <siretart> hehe [07:58] <siretart> I got extension for one week. but I have still tons of work to do :( [07:59] <bddebian> heh [07:59] <dholbach> siretart: happy hacking then [07:59] <dholbach> siretart: i get back to my stuff too [07:59] <siretart> dholbach: yes, I'll rather stay in the background. But I really wanted to get wifi-radar for ivoks in universe, at last [08:00] <siretart> because I always had to downcheck his package :( [08:05] <\sh> hmmm...needs a closer look into c++ documentation *grrr* [08:06] <siretart> bddebian: you again missed the python build-dep ;) [08:06] <Lathiat> \sh: :\ [08:06] <bddebian> siretart: On what? [08:06] <siretart> gmail-notify [08:06] <bddebian> Damnit [08:06] <siretart> bddebian: see http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/gmail-notify-0507282005/linda [08:06] <siretart> no, you don't [08:07] <siretart> everyone makes mistakes :) [08:07] <comadreja> it's me [08:07] <bddebian> Oh hehe :-) [08:07] <\sh> Lathiat: actually this is my fourth damn sourcecode :) [08:08] <comadreja> siretart, and it's not a problem fmpov [08:08] <siretart> oh. sorry for the confsion :) [08:08] <comadreja> because this package doesn't build anything [08:08] <siretart> comadreja: ah, ok. but then you could document that with an linda override [08:08] <comadreja> just copies the python scripts to the directories [08:08] <comadreja> how ? [08:08] <siretart> why do you use dh_python then? [08:08] <siretart> look in the linda documentation [08:08] <comadreja> because cdbs does [08:09] <comadreja> ok [08:10] <comadreja> dh_python creates the ${python:...} for the control file [08:10] <comadreja> with the dependencies [08:10] <siretart> ah. now I see.. hmm. [08:10] <siretart> well, if you are confident that you dont need that python dependency, install a linda override, that is what they are for [08:11] <\sh> ok..guys../me is going to bed early...tomorrow more...sorry for not being a help today... [08:11] <comadreja> regarding the control.in, I just followed the documentation that was given to me regarding cdbs, but I can change it easily [08:11] <siretart> \sh: you rocked the whole week! [08:11] <comadreja> \sh: yep, have some rest [08:11] <Lathiat> \sh: night :) [08:12] <siretart> comadreja: yes, this control.in is considered harmfull and even prohibited in current debian release policy! [08:13] <dholbach> siretart: ? [08:13] <dholbach> siretart: debian gnome team uses it in EVERY upload [08:14] <dholbach> nevermind me - i should be away anyway :) [08:14] <comadreja> :) you tell me what to do, because I get very different point of views, I have no problem with any. [08:15] <ajmitch> morning [08:15] <dholbach> andrew! [08:15] <comadreja> morning ajmitch :) [08:15] <siretart> dholbach: Do I confuse this with automatic updating of changelogs? [08:15] <dholbach> siretart: probably - never heard of that [08:15] <ajmitch> auto-updating of build-deps with control.in is especially evil [08:15] <ajmitch> and considered a Bad Thing [08:16] <comadreja> cool :) [08:16] <comadreja> I'll use that [08:16] <siretart> dholbach: http://release.debian.org/etch_rc_policy.txt [08:16] <ajmitch> ah, thanks siretart :) [08:16] <siretart> These targets must not change the package's build-dependencies or the changelog. [08:17] <dholbach> um, where? [08:18] <ajmitch> dholbach: section 4 [08:18] <siretart> section 4, paragraph 4 [08:18] <dholbach> ah yes [08:18] <ajmitch> so the gnome team *just* manages to scrape through ;) [08:18] <dholbach> they change the upload field [08:18] <siretart> paragraph 3, sorry [08:18] <dholbach> uploader [08:19] <siretart> what problem do they intend to solve with this? [08:19] <dholbach> jbailey: do you think that @cdbs@ in build-depends clashes with http://release.debian.org/etch_rc_policy.txt - section 4 paragraph 4? [08:19] <ajmitch> siretart: haveing 20 people listed in the Uploaders field [08:19] <ajmitch> for about 100 packages :) [08:20] <ajmitch> dholbach: @cdbs@ in build-depends is a Bad Thing [08:20] <siretart> dholbach: this was discussed in a quite big thread on debian-release, I think [08:20] <dholbach> ajmitch: i'm just asking for another opinion :) [08:20] <siretart> ajmitch: I see the point [08:20] <dholbach> jbailey: oh well: section 4 paragraph 3 :) [08:21] <ajmitch> dholbach: #debian-devel can offer plenty of opinions ;) [08:22] <chillywilly> need food [08:22] <HostingGeek> http://www.google-store.com/ [08:23] <siretart> need time. and motivation [08:23] <slomo> need aspirin ;) [08:24] <jbailey> dholbach: I have already discussed it and cleared my idea with the release managers. [08:25] <dholbach> so they're not strongly opposed against it? [08:25] <jbailey> dholbach: Not at all, they agree with the reasoning. [08:25] <jbailey> Here's the trick: =) [08:25] <HostingGeek> siretart: need me [08:25] <jbailey> "These targets must not change the package's [08:25] <jbailey> build-dependencies or the changelog." [08:25] <ajmitch> jbailey: surprising :) [08:25] <dholbach> that's what i thought :) [08:25] <jbailey> So the answer is just don't make debian/control a dependancy of those targets. [08:26] <dholbach> :) [08:26] <jbailey> There will be a hook in cdbs2 that verifies if it beleive debian/control to be up to date. It will fail the build in that case. [08:26] <dholbach> that sounds cool [08:26] <jbailey> There will be a DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS token that allows you to say "Please auto-update the control file" [08:26] <jbailey> Or you can manually run debian/rules debian/control to update it. [08:26] <dholbach> merci beaucoup, monsieur :) [08:26] <jbailey> And then everyone is happy. =) [08:27] <ajmitch> jbailey: hah, you'll never please everyone [08:27] <siretart> ajmitch: in this case, I think vorlon and Kamion are sufficent ;) [08:28] <jbailey> siretart: And the ftp masters. =) [08:28] <ajmitch> now that's a challenge [08:28] <jbailey> ajmitch: Well, the answer beyond that is "Just don't use it!" [08:28] <jbailey> Nonono, it's already done. [08:29] <jbailey> Even Joerg. [08:29] <ajmitch> you *must* have talked fast [08:29] <jbailey> That's why I've stayed out of all of the discussions. [08:29] <jbailey> Everyone's making noises about the current cdbs way of doing it, which is total crack. [08:30] <ajmitch> agreed [08:31] <jbailey> Noone hates CDBS for reasons that should stop it from existing. [08:31] <jbailey> They hate it for the petty reasons like, not enough documentation, or difficult to get troubleshooting info out of it. [08:31] <jbailey> Occasionally people come up with arguments for not using it that equally apply to debhelper and every patch system. [08:31] <jbailey> But I try to ignore luddites. =) [08:32] <jbailey> But the problems that people have with cdbs are the ones that are relatively easy to solve. [08:32] <bddebian> :-) [08:32] <jbailey> So I think the *most* annoying thing with cdbs is that it's good enough right now that it's hard to find hackers for it. [08:32] <ajmitch> the main complaint I see is that it hides too much\ [08:33] <jbailey> So it's subject to my spare time. [08:33] <ajmitch> ah spare time [08:33] <jbailey> ajmitch: What does that mean? =) [08:33] <ajmitch> very elusive [08:33] <ajmitch> jbailey: people consider cdbs to be too much of a black box :) [08:33] <jbailey> Most of the time it means that when it behaves unexpectedly, you can't ask it for details. [08:33] <ajmitch> probably [08:33] <jbailey> So that's a solvable issues. [08:33] <jbailey> -s [08:33] <jbailey> (Pick whichever s you want) [08:38] <siretart> ajmitch: goal? for sure. requirement? I don't think so [08:39] <ajmitch> siretart: it'd mean a bit more work for MOTUs to have a clean upgrade - we'd have to make sure merges are done, for one ;) [08:39] <bddebian> Doh.. [08:40] <siretart> ajmitch: I think that piuparts could be very useful in finding problematic packages [08:40] <ajmitch> siretart: it will be, I've got to get it setup here [08:42] <herve> heya! [08:43] <ajmitch> hi herve [08:43] <bddebian> Howdy herve [08:53] <grover> is oprofile available through universe in hoary? it seems to be no longer available [08:53] <dholbach> hi herve :) [08:53] <dholbach> happy review day! :) [08:53] <herve> daniel! [08:54] <dholbach> grover: packages.ubuntu.com should know [08:55] <grover> dholbach: it says yes but apt-get install oprofile says pkg not available but referred to by another pkg [08:55] <dholbach> hm [08:56] <herve> source package failed to compiled? [08:58] <grover> how would one find out? [08:59] <dholbach> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/ [08:59] <herve> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/o/oprofile/ [08:59] <herve> ha no, "successful" [09:00] <herve> argh! [09:00] <herve> me fool, you use hoary [09:00] <herve> no, successful too [09:05] <comadreja> where can I find a list of linda overrides ? [09:07] <comadreja> found [09:12] <dredg> lo all [09:15] <grover> herve: so should I file a bugreport somewhere? I think it's kinda strange that a pkg in hoary universe (which isn't being actively updated anymore, right?) would just vanish [09:21] <dholbach> hey dredg! [09:21] <dholbach> niall! long time no see :) [09:21] <comadreja> I need a revision on http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=245 [09:21] <dredg> dholbach: you too :) [09:21] <dredg> dholbach: i've been very busy [09:21] <dredg> how are you? [09:22] <dholbach> dredg: me too - still busy with my thesis - but i took some time off for review day :) [09:22] <Nikopol> hi there [09:22] <dholbach> i'm fine, thanks [09:23] <dredg> dholbach: ah yes, the thesis :) hasn't that suffered enough? :) [09:23] <dholbach> i have 3 weeks left :) [09:23] <tseng> jeez [09:23] <tseng> school takes forever there [09:23] <dholbach> hahaha :) [09:24] <dredg> dholbach: well good luck :) [09:24] <dholbach> thank you very much :) [09:24] <Nikopol> I've created a deb of GNUDoku but need some help and feedback. [09:25] <Nikopol> I've never packaged before so am pretty useless [09:25] <Nikopol> I've placed the file here [09:25] <Nikopol> http://www.mmboydell.f2s.com/gnudoku-0.91_0.91-1_i386.deb [09:25] <dholbach> Nikopol: you may want to upload it to REVU (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU) - it catches most eyes there [09:25] <Nikopol> aha [09:25] <Nikopol> cheers dholbach [09:26] <dholbach> Nikopol: we need the source package: .diff.gz .orig.tar.gz and .dsc [09:26] <Nikopol> ok [09:26] <dholbach> dredg: good luck with that too - you've been VERY busy [09:26] <Nikopol> is there a simple howto somewhere? [09:26] <Nikopol> Didn't find one in google [09:26] <Nikopol> :( [09:26] <dredg> dholbach: currently waiting to hear back from google [09:27] <dredg> had a set of interviews with them on monday, so i should hear within the next two weeks [09:28] <dholbach> Nikopol: the debian new maintainers guide and debian policy are a must (for looking stuff up), we have wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips on the wiki and at some stage you may want to have a pbuilder for checking the build properly (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto) - apt-get source <somepackage> is always good for comparing with other packages [09:28] <Nikopol_out> thanks dholbach [09:28] <dholbach> dredg: *fingers crossed* [09:29] <Nikopol_out> dholbach: I think that's me sorted. Will work on it later on after the pub ;) [09:29] <dholbach> Nikopol_out: but REVU (http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/) contains a lot of information hidden within - it's where we review packages of other guys - you'll find good and bad examples there [09:29] <dredg> dholbach: my fingers have been crossed for over a month :) [09:29] <dholbach> (no offense to anybody meant - you didn't see my first packages ;-p) [09:29] <Nikopol_out> dholbach: thanks for your time [09:29] <Nikopol_out> and the help :) [09:30] <dholbach> de rien :) [09:31] <herve> grover, I don't know what happen, so if no one can answer you tonight, the best is to file a bug [09:32] <herve> sweet the new slaphscreen from OOo2 [09:32] <dholbach> comadreja: reviewed [09:32] <herve> and it opens fast [09:35] <comadreja> dholbach : I don't have the year of the copyright, that's why I haven't put it [09:35] <comadreja> it's not in upstream :/ [09:35] <dholbach> comadreja: not even in a cvs changelog or something? [09:35] <dholbach> comadreja: the guys being involved in it? at which stage? [09:36] <grover> herve: ok thx [09:36] <comadreja> dholbach : nopes, I couldn't find it anywhere [09:36] <comadreja> ajmitch : you could review gmail-notify [09:36] <dholbach> ok, it's surely just 2005 [09:36] <comadreja> dholbach : I'll do that [09:37] <dholbach> gmail doesn't exist that long ;) [09:38] <dredg> i've had a gmail account for nearly a full year [09:39] <comadreja> dholbach : how do you review that fast and that good ? :) [09:39] <dredg> over a year actually [09:39] <dholbach> i do? [09:39] <dredg> since, erm, last march or april [09:39] <comadreja> I think so [09:39] <dholbach> dredg: oh well... :) [09:40] <dholbach> comadreja: thank you very much - well i did most of the mistakes myself and got thrashed for it :-p [09:40] <chillywilly> dredg: well aren't you special [09:40] <dredg> chillywilly: yes, thanks [09:40] <chillywilly> *thwap* [09:40] <dredg> dholbach: i'd put the copyright at 2004 to be safe :) [09:40] <dholbach> dredg: i raise no objections [09:41] <dredg> chillywilly: if you've nothing productive to say, could you say it louder somewhere else? thanks. [09:41] <dholbach> comadreja: and we were a smaller team and had quite a lot to do in hoary, maybe that's why :) [09:41] <Lathiat> herve: opens fast? :P takes 23 seconds here [09:41] <herve> it took 5 secs [09:41] <comadreja> :) [09:41] <Lathiat> 4 seconds hot off the disk cache [09:41] <comadreja> I'd put 2004,2005, objections ? [09:41] <chillywilly> dredg: no [09:42] <dholbach> comadreja: fire away [09:42] <chillywilly> dredg: thanks a bunch [09:43] <ajmitch> slomo: wanting nemerle reviewed or not? [09:44] <slomo> ajmitch: don't know... someone tries to get it into debian but i don't think it will hurt when we have an other package first ;) or what do you think? [09:44] <ajmitch> slomo: it can hurt upgrades [09:45] <ajmitch> ah, the ITP is nearly a year old [09:45] <dholbach> ITPs give me headaches :) [09:45] <slomo> yes but the guy is trying hard atm... i've contacted him [09:45] <ajmitch> ah good [09:46] <dholbach> we should do something about UniverseNewPackages, ajmitch's rfp list and the utnubu-list [09:46] <ajmitch> that was my next question, whether you had contacted him :) [09:46] <ajmitch> dholbach: I'm on the utnubu mailing list, have yet to announce myself :) [09:46] <Riddell> new ksystemlog for review http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=246 [09:47] <dholbach> Riddell: let poor \sh_away sleep/do-whatever-pleases-him - he had a tough night at the office - i'll have a look at it [09:48] <slomo> ajmitch: so you think it's better to wait? ok, then move it to the archives or better nuke it ;) [09:51] <ajmitch> slomo: depends on how the ITP author is going, whether he uses any of your package or not [09:52] <slomo> ajmitch: i've taken his old package and changed it to conform with the CLIPolicy... but he already done a newer version himself which conforms to the policy and changed some other stuff too [09:53] <ajmitch> maybe invite him to work within the pkg-mono team? [09:54] <slomo> he was already invited by meebey... but i don't know his answer [09:54] <ajmitch> ah great [09:54] <tseng> who what? [09:54] <ajmitch> tseng: nemerle itp [09:54] <tseng> oh [09:54] <tseng> slomo fixed his shit [09:55] <tseng> hm [09:55] <slomo> tseng: yeah but he has done a conforming version too and tries to get it into debian atm [09:55] <tseng> meh fine [09:55] <slomo> tseng: look here... what do you think? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportBoo [09:55] <comadreja> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=249 [09:56] <tseng> slomo: good [09:56] <tseng> yes, i did read it :P [09:56] <tseng> besides the bug [09:56] <tseng> ive done like 10 of these [09:57] <slomo> i've created a fix for the problem and dholbach uploaded it a few minutes ago ;) [09:58] <tseng> woo [09:59] <slomo> and i've contacted the debian maintainer to solve it for debian [09:59] <dholbach> Riddell: i noted some points - but nothing kde specific, because i have NO clue :) [10:02] <Riddell> dholbach: what's the points? [10:03] <dholbach> erm: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=246 [10:04] <Riddell> thanks [10:05] <dholbach> comadreja: you're lucky :) [10:05] <siretart> uurh. rpath considered evil! [10:06] <dholbach> siretart: you're hanging out with guys too much, who just see the evil things in the world :-p [10:06] <comadreja> dholbach : :) [10:06] <dholbach> comadreja: well done [10:07] <comadreja> dholbach : I included the changes in the readme, would that be enough ? [10:07] <comadreja> dholbach : you can check it [10:07] <dholbach> comadreja: it's cool to have it in the changelog, so you better keep track of patches, if you have multiple ones and you drop one with the next package, add a new one a version later, ... [10:08] <dholbach> comadreja: it's just fancy, but no must - that's why i advocated it [10:08] <siretart> dholbach: http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/big-picture.html#faq-6.15 - I'm using 'evil' in a quite similar context ;) [10:08] <comadreja> cool, thanks ! [10:08] <dholbach> siretart: super, thanks for that link :) [10:09] <dholbach> comadreja: if you read the debian/changelog of seb128's packages, you'll see what i mean (gnome-control-center for example) [10:10] <comadreja> dholbach : yep, I've seen it, he has quite good packages [10:10] <dholbach> yeah he rocks :) [10:11] <comadreja> indeed [10:12] <siretart> ok, I'm off for my GF for tonight. cu tomorrow, folks! [10:12] <dholbach> bye siretart - have a nice evening [10:12] <siretart> thanks :) [10:12] <slomo> bye bye siretart :) have fun [10:20] <comadreja> dholbach : sorry to bother you again, but do you think this is better ? [10:21] <dholbach> that's lovely [10:21] <comadreja> :) [10:22] <dholbach> ok - i'm off as well - part-time-reviewing/uploading and part-time-thesis-writing doesnt work properly [10:23] <dholbach> keep up the happy review day [10:23] <comadreja> thanks ! [10:23] <comadreja> enjoy [10:23] <dholbach> de rien :) [10:55] <herve> night all [10:55] <herve> or day :-) [10:58] <Riddell> where can I find the list of files that don't need to be included in debian/docs ? [10:59] <ajmitch> man dh_installdocs [10:59] <ajmitch> it has some info about that [11:34] <comadreja> hey slomo :) [11:34] <comadreja> ajmitch : :) [11:34] <slomo> hey :) [11:35] <ajmitch> comadreja: someone has to be picky about these things ;) [12:00] <slomo> gn8 everybody

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.179855

2005-08-02-#ubuntu-kernel

[12:26] <lamont__> mjg59_: btw - sent someone your way wrt latest thinkpad acpi stuff. [12:26] <mjg59_> lamont__: Ah, thanks [02:15] <jbailey> lamont__: pong [02:19] <TheMuso> .c [02:19] <TheMuso> crap [02:33] <weridcreep> hello [02:35] <lamont__> jbailey: figured it out... although... [02:35] <lamont__> what's the easiest way to abuse an initrd to debug in it? [02:35] <weridcreep> what kernel does ubuntu run [02:36] <jbailey> lamont__: Existing one, or can you create a new one? [02:36] <lamont__> jbailey: (original question involved a brainfart trying to mount the initrd locally to look)( [02:36] <jbailey> Editting existing ones is teh suck. [02:36] <lamont__> given the recipie, I could create a new one... [02:36] <jbailey> Okay, edit /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf [02:36] <jbailey> Set DELAY=5 and BUSYBOX=yes [02:36] <jbailey> (Make sure busybox-cvs-static is installed) [02:36] <jbailey> as root: [02:37] <jbailey> mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) $(uname -r) [02:37] <jbailey> NOTE: This will overwrite your current initrd. [02:37] <lamont__> yeah - I see that [02:37] <jbailey> If you have a sane bootloader (That is, grub grub or grub), you can make it /boot/initrd or something like that and just change it at boot time. [02:38] <lamont__> jbailey: elilo :-( [02:39] <jbailey> Add an entry for your testing then. [02:39] <lamont__> yep [02:39] <jbailey> You won't get grub2 for efi for another couple of months. [02:39] <jbailey> (although someone has now started on it) [02:39] <lamont__> actually, the current state is that 'Linux' doesn't boot, and 'Good' does. :-) [02:39] <jbailey> Great! Overwrite the one for Linux then, nothing to lose. [02:39] <lamont__> yeah [02:39] <jbailey> Oh! [02:39] <lamont__> yeah [02:39] <jbailey> Missed a step. [02:39] <lamont__> ?? [02:40] <jbailey> Edit /etc/mkinitrd/modules and add the modules you need to have a working keyboard. [02:40] <lamont__> serial atm [02:40] <jbailey> 'k =) [02:40] <jbailey> *blink* [02:41] <jbailey> config? [02:41] <lamont__> happy happy joy joy. binary searches are _SO_MUCH_FUN_!!! [02:41] <lamont__> kernel config [02:41] <lamont__> defconfig vs itanium [02:41] <jbailey> I didn't think there were 2700 options in there. [02:41] <jbailey> 'sthis breezy? [02:41] <lamont__> rather, defconfig vs breezy/itanium [02:41] <lamont__> just a sec and I'll dump stats for you - Good has almost booted. [02:42] <jbailey> If you feel up to it after this, I'd appreciate feedback on the initramfs-tools, since it's scheduled to become default on Friday. [02:42] <jbailey> Since I will be away this weekend, I'd rather clobber as few UndercluedUsers as possible. [02:43] <jbailey> (You know... For the racks of Itaniums running Breezy out there...) [02:43] <lamont__> diff -u debian/config/itanium debian/config/ia64/itanium | wc [02:43] <lamont__> 2732 5643 61682 [02:43] <jbailey> *ouc* [02:43] <jbailey> +h [02:43] <lamont__> yeag [02:50] <lamont__> must run [02:50] <lamont__> back later [06:33] <fabbione> morning [06:33] <desrt> word. [06:34] <desrt> i have a question that i asked earlier after you'd gone to bed :P [06:34] <desrt> why are you packaging 2.6.12? [06:36] <fabbione> what should i be packaging? [06:37] <desrt> 2.6.13-rc's [06:37] <fabbione> no [06:37] <fabbione> we are in UVF [06:37] <fabbione> Upstream Version Freeze [06:37] <fabbione> we need to release quite soon [06:37] <desrt> since how long? [06:37] <desrt> hmm [06:37] <fabbione> 3 weeks? [06:37] <fabbione> more or less [06:37] <desrt> so 2.6.12 is the breezy kernel [06:37] <desrt> weird [06:37] <fabbione> yes [06:38] <desrt> ok. that's a good reason :) [06:39] <fabbione> that's what in our conffile [06:39] <fabbione> ops [06:41] <desrt> is gnome a blanket exception to UVF or is 2.11 considered like a 2.12 prerelease? [06:41] <fabbione> gnome is an exception [06:42] <fabbione> it has been since the beginning [06:42] <desrt> it's a good exception :) [06:54] <fabbione> infinity: ping? [07:13] <calc> any chance of getting a working version of ipw2200 into the kernel soon? [07:13] <calc> fabbione: still here? [07:13] <fabbione> calc: ipw2200 is working [07:14] <calc> 1.0.4 -> 1.0.1 for WEP but broke WPA completely [07:14] <fabbione> calc: 1.0.4 did break completely ipw2100 [07:14] <fabbione> and i had no time for that release to test 1.0.6 [07:14] <calc> too bad its not even for the ipw2100 [07:15] <calc> i have 1.0.4 on ipw2200 and it works more or less fine [07:15] <fabbione> also.. people should read what's on the ipw2x00 sties [07:15] <fabbione> sites [07:15] <calc> i get those error messages about resetting firmware but 1.0.4 does actually work 1.0.1 doesn't at all [07:15] <fabbione> 1.0.X releases [07:15] <fabbione> for x = 0 stable [07:15] <fabbione> for x > 0 development [07:15] <fabbione> 1.0.6 = development [07:15] <calc> 1.x.y [07:15] <calc> x is stable [07:15] <calc> when x = 0 [07:16] <calc> or else why not go all the way back to 1.0.0 ? :) [07:16] <fabbione> Versions with the last number is not a zero is an unstable release, for example 1.0.1, 1.1.3, etc. [07:16] <calc> yes [07:16] <calc> 1.0.0 is basically useless [07:16] <calc> 1.0.1 is nearly that way [07:16] <fabbione> because ipw2100 is alligned with 1.0.1 ipw2200 [07:16] <calc> what does ipw2100 have to do with ipw2200? [07:17] <fabbione> so your x.y interpration is wrong [07:17] <fabbione> calc: they share ieee8$something layer [07:17] <fabbione> they splitted only recently in 3 projects [07:17] <calc> that doesn't avoid the point that ubuntu is still using a development driver and one that is more broken than the current one which fixes about an additional 30 bugs [07:17] <calc> ah yea i see about the 802.11 stuff [07:18] <fabbione> calc: the plan was to revert to a more stable release [07:18] <fabbione> and than try the new split in the next kernel [07:18] <fabbione> before the ieee code was duplicated and misalligned between the 2 [07:18] <fabbione> (ipw2x00) [07:18] <fabbione> so it was creating all sorts of problems [07:18] <fabbione> only recently they splitted ieee out of the 2 trees [07:18] <fabbione> and that needs to be tested [07:18] <calc> ok i'll just hang onto my -3 kernel since its the only one that will work for the forseeable future then [07:19] <fabbione> so if you can be nice to give us the time to merge [07:19] <fabbione> you will get it [07:19] <calc> i thought you said earlier that the final kernel will be out within 3 weeks? [07:19] <fabbione> who said so? [07:19] <calc> 23:37 < fabbione> we need to release quite soon [07:19] <calc> 23:37 < fabbione> 3 weeks? [07:20] <fabbione> 3 weeks was related to UVF [07:20] <fabbione> 3 weeks ago... [07:20] <fabbione> the release will probably be tomorrow [07:20] <fabbione> there is no final kernel until breezy releases [07:20] <calc> oh is this just a temporary colony freeze? [07:20] <calc> ok :) [07:20] <fabbione> and we will start doing only security updates to the kernel approx 2/3 weeks before final release [07:20] <calc> sorry i was confused [07:27] <fabbione> calc: will you be able to test for me? [07:28] <calc> yea [07:29] <calc> what types of tests do you need run? [07:29] <fabbione> hmm this also means another ABI change... [07:29] <fabbione> SUCKAGE [07:29] <calc> changing the driver causes abi change? [07:29] <fabbione> calc: yes. the ieee thing has an abi change [07:29] <fabbione> and ipw2* depends on it [07:30] <fabbione> you can't change interchange the modules at your own pleasure [07:30] <calc> oh [07:32] <calc> oh btw i am using 2915abg on amd64 arch [07:35] <fabbione> what's that? [07:35] <fabbione> i am not 100% familiar with all these wireless drivers.. [07:35] <fabbione> i only use cisco stuff [07:38] <calc> its the intel 802.11a/b/g minipci [07:39] <calc> uses same driver as ipw2200 [07:39] <fabbione> ah ok [07:40] <calc> i'm going to bed now, bbl [07:43] <fabbione> night [07:50] <infinity> I'm using a 2915abg on i386. ;) [08:04] <fabbione> hey JaneW [08:21] <fabbione> see... [08:21] <fabbione> even after the split they are still not synced properly [08:21] <fabbione> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR [08:27] <fabbione> #define IPW_HEADER_802_11_SIZE sizeof(struct ieee80211_header_data) [08:28] <fabbione> infinity: do you have any clue about the size of that struct? [08:29] <fabbione> never mind.. i found it [08:29] <fabbione> now they share code... [08:29] <fabbione> so let's TRIPLICATE all the definitions [08:34] <fabbione> JaneW: i will need a name for tomorrow my far far away so lovely lady :) [08:53] <fabbione> JaneW: ?? [09:07] <fabbione> ok guys we need a name for the kernel [09:07] <fabbione> + release [09:07] <fabbione> JaneW disappeared... [09:09] <fabbione> The: [09:09] <fabbione> begin 644 - [09:09] <fabbione> 41S%"0C!2($TS(%0S2"!#4C1#2PH` [09:09] <fabbione> ` [09:09] <fabbione> end [09:09] <fabbione> Release [09:13] <desrt> that's an interesting name [09:13] <fabbione> eheh [09:13] <fabbione> nah i did set it to something more normal [09:14] <fabbione> people have lost the sense of humor.. [09:14] <fabbione> they won't get the joke part [09:14] <desrt> boo to people [09:15] <fabbione> desrt: i know.. i am talking from experience [09:15] <fabbione> i have to issue to write *interesting* stuff :) [09:16] <fabbione> time to start the build orgy :) [09:16] <desrt> exciting. [09:17] <fabbione> aha [09:17] <desrt> just videos of compiles scrolling by [09:17] <fabbione> HAHHAAH [09:17] <fabbione> desrt: if you collect the videos and make them BSD/GPL licence [09:17] <fabbione> i am going to upload them as gentoo-emulator [09:17] <desrt> :) [09:18] <fabbione> we can make it as a screensaver or something [09:18] <desrt> hey.. that'd be a pretty sexy screensaver [09:18] <fabbione> similar to cappuccino [09:18] <desrt> mmm. i think gnome-screensaver needs a module called "gentoo" :) [09:19] <fabbione> desrt: ehehe sure... [09:19] <fabbione> if you do it, i will upload it for you [09:19] <fabbione> just the code.. no need to package it [09:20] <fabbione> making a deb for it will take 2 minutes [09:20] <desrt> hmmm :) [09:20] <desrt> ok. i'll look into it [09:20] <fabbione> actually [09:20] <fabbione> it would be even more cool to use the kernel screen blanking [09:20] <fabbione> CONFIG_GENTOO_EMULATION [09:20] <desrt> ....as compared to the X one? [09:20] <desrt> oooh. [09:21] <desrt> i see [09:21] <fabbione> that you can enable or disable with a syscall/ioctl or whatever [09:21] <desrt> and you can have a bunch of kernel options [09:21] <fabbione> that will just fake to compile hello.c millions of times :) [09:21] <desrt> [*] Include build log from Xorg [09:21] <desrt> [*] Include build log from kernel source [09:21] <fabbione> ahahah [09:21] <desrt> etc [09:21] <fabbione> the problem is that it would bloat the kernel or the module... [09:21] <desrt> nah [09:21] <fabbione> including these logs [09:21] <desrt> you gotta imagine that build logs compress really well [09:22] <desrt> every single line is like gcc -flags -flags -flags -Dsomething -Isomething blah blah blah flags filename.c [09:22] <fabbione> desrt: X builg log is 10MB uncompressed [09:22] <desrt> and the only part that changes is filename.c [09:22] <fabbione> even if you compress it to death is still 300K [09:22] <desrt> hmm [09:22] <desrt> this is problematic. [09:22] <desrt> ! [09:22] <desrt> i know [09:22] <desrt> we launch a project [09:22] <desrt> gentoo@home [09:22] <desrt> as an outreach programme to gentoo users [09:22] <fabbione> aHAHAHA [09:23] <desrt> donate our spare CPU cycles to actually help them compile [09:23] <fabbione> desrt: it would be easier to write a name generator to print gcc -O31337 blablabla foo.c [09:23] <desrt> you forgot to omit the framepointer [09:23] <desrt> man... it's so easy to get caught-up in the gentoo-teasing [09:24] <desrt> i used to use gentoo... and i liked it a lot... i still do [09:24] <desrt> if, for example, sadfdl were to ever pull another ubuntu_spatial type thing i'd go back to gentoo :P [09:28] <fabbione> eheheh [09:28] <fabbione> i doubt he is going to do it again [10:38] <desrt> ok [10:38] <desrt> my screensaver is about done now :) [10:41] <fabbione> ehehhe [10:41] <desrt> so far it just says "test" once per second [10:41] <desrt> i have to find something more interesting for it to say [10:41] <fabbione> desrt: can i see the code? [10:41] <desrt> it's pretty rough [10:41] <desrt> but sure [10:41] <fabbione> we can work on it together... [10:42] <fabbione> given i just uploaded the kernel i have the right for 10 minutes free :) [10:42] <desrt> http://manic.desrt.ca/gentoovision.c [10:44] <fabbione> heheh [10:45] <desrt> hmm [10:46] <desrt> fabbione; if you want to help, there's a good task needs to be done [10:46] <fabbione> desrt: i first need to figure where is gtk.h :) [10:46] <desrt> there needs to be a program that opens a pseudotermial or listens on a pipe and gets the output of a compile complete with timing information [10:46] <desrt> gcc -o gentoovision gentoovision.c -Wall `pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0` [10:47] <desrt> it might segfault :) [10:47] <fabbione> gentoovision.c:118: warning: passing argument 2 of 'gtk_timeout_add' from incompatible pointer type [10:47] <fabbione> tsk :) [10:47] <desrt> pfft [10:47] <desrt> i didn't feel like looking up the right cast type :) [10:47] <desrt> it's some (GTimeoutFunc) or something [10:47] <fabbione> ahah [10:47] <fabbione> it works here :) [10:48] <fabbione> so what's the task? [10:48] <desrt> there needs to be a program that opens a pseudotermial or listens on a pipe and gets the output of a compile complete with timing information [10:48] <desrt> i think the file format will be like [10:48] <desrt> 1234:gcc -o some compile output blah blah blah [10:48] <desrt> where 1234 is how many ms that output should stay on the screen [10:49] <fabbione> why not just generating random gcc stuff? [10:49] <desrt> it'd be cool to have authentic builds :) [10:49] <desrt> they'd be the new ringtones [10:50] <desrt> instead of downloading a blink182 ringtone for your phone you download a glibc build log for your screensaver :) [10:50] <fabbione> actually... gentoo@home is an easy project to do :) [10:50] <desrt> well.. there's already distcc... [10:50] <fabbione> exactly :) [11:17] <desrt> fabbione; are you working on that program? [11:21] <fabbione> desrt: not right now.. sorry.. i did a little mistake building on hppa [11:22] <desrt> s'ok [11:22] <desrt> i'm gonna go to bed now anyway :P [11:22] <desrt> it's waay past my bedtime [11:22] <fabbione> eheh good night :) [12:19] <Nafallo> could you please sync rt2400 && rt2500 from CVS before next upload? [12:24] <mjg59_> fabbione: I'm a bit stuck getting stuff integrated until I actually have internet connectivity here. What are you defining as feature freeze in the context of the kernel? [12:26] <fabbione> mjg59_: like the rest of the distro and i will be vac from tomorrow [12:26] <fabbione> Nafallo: why? [12:26] <Nafallo> fabbione: lot's of bugfixes. [12:27] <fabbione> Nafallo: i will look if i have the time [12:27] <mjg59_> fabbione: Sure, but what's a feature in terms of the kernel? [12:27] <Nafallo> fabbione: it might actually begin to work without all those ifdown && ifups I have to do now :-) [12:27] <fabbione> mjg59_: adding new crack.. bug fixes are ok of course [12:27] <Nafallo> fabbione: k, kewl. [12:28] <mjg59_> fabbione: Ok. There's one (trivial) driver that I'd like to push, but there's no way I can generate a dpatch by tomorrow. [12:28] <mjg59_> I just don't have bandwidth at the moment [12:31] <fabbione> mjg59_: for the next 2 weeks (while i am away) infinity will take care of the kernel [12:31] <fabbione> iirc Feature Freeze is by the 5th of Aug [12:31] <fabbione> or something around that [12:31] <fabbione> so you have sometime [12:31] <fabbione> but don't count on me being around [12:31] <fabbione> so you will have to triple check everything [12:32] <fabbione> from patches to configs to portability and so on... [12:32] <mjg59_> 11th of August [12:32] <mjg59_> Ok, no problem [01:48] <mjg59_> fabbione: There's a load of PCI drivers that need fixing up for suspend/resume to work. I'm looking into it. [01:48] <fabbione> mjg59_: *sighs* [01:49] <mjg59_> (biggest problem is with sound cards, since we unload network drivers) [01:49] <fabbione> hmm what has net to do with sound? [01:49] <mjg59_> Basically, due to ACPI changes (to fix a bug) PCI drivers all need to call pci_disable_device on suspend and pci_enable_device on resume [01:50] <mjg59_> The same bug is present in sound and network drivers, but we unload network drivers [01:50] <fabbione> JEEEEEE [01:51] <fabbione> dude that patch is going to be A BIG FAT MOFO to maintain [01:51] <mjg59_> It's only a problem with devices on shared interrupts, so IDE isn't an issue [01:51] <mjg59_> USB is, but we unload that as well, so... [01:53] <mjg59_> Which leaves, uh, 47 drivers to fix up. Hmph. [01:53] <mjg59_> The ALSA people may already have done it. I'll check their tree. [01:55] <fabbione> i have the feeling that with all these big fat crack .12 is going to suck more than .10 [01:55] <fabbione> hey zul [01:55] <zul> hey fabbione [02:00] <mjg59_> fabbione: The alternative is to revert that hunk, which takes us back to .10 for that behaviour [02:00] <Nafallo> zul: yay! maybe you should do what I asked fabbione earlier? :-) [02:00] <mjg59_> However, it is a real bug that gets fixed [02:00] <Nafallo> zul: update rt2400 && rt2500 from CVS. fixes lots of bugs. [02:01] <Nafallo> zul: also we might want to consider rt2570? [02:01] <fabbione> mjg59_: ok.. try to contain the mess :)) [02:01] <fabbione> Nafallo: please stop nagging [02:01] <fabbione> it's the 3rd time you ask the same [02:02] <fabbione> gimme a break and the time to do it [02:02] <mjg59_> Oh argh. [02:02] <Nafallo> fabbione: oki. [02:02] <mjg59_> Alsa has its own power management layer. How horrible. [02:04] <zul> wtf? [02:04] <fabbione> zul: what? [02:04] <zul> oops...typo...was commenting code [02:04] <fabbione> ahha [02:05] <zul> holy crap Nafallo i just woke up and am at work so its not going to be done anytime soon [02:07] <Nafallo> oki. I will not ask before they fix another one of those _really_ irritating bugs that seems to be in the driver :-). [02:08] <fabbione> Nafallo: let me explain [02:08] <fabbione> between your request and time i can upload such change [02:08] <fabbione> i need AT LEAST 4 hours [02:08] <fabbione> you asked this morning.. wait [02:08] <fabbione> AT LEAST = update the patch, build everywhere, fix the breakage, go back [02:08] <fabbione> the build = 3 hours [02:09] <fabbione> if you are in such a hurry, you can provide us with .dpatches directly [02:09] <fabbione> tested of course... [02:09] <fabbione> so i can save 4 hours [02:09] <fabbione> and you can spend 2 days building around... [02:09] <fabbione> because the patch needs to work on N arches [02:09] <Nafallo> fabbione: I know. I didn't know if you saw it this morning. and last time they fixed a big one I do not believe it was updated. that's why I asked when you where alive aswell. [02:10] <fabbione> Nafallo: this morning i did even answer to you [02:10] <fabbione> and we did talk [02:10] <fabbione> so.. i fail to see how i could have missed that... [02:11] <fabbione> 12:19Nafallocould you please sync rt2400 && rt2500 from CVS before next upload? [02:11] <fabbione> 12:26fabbioneNafallo: why? [02:11] <fabbione> 12:26Nafallofabbione: lot's of bugfixes. [02:11] <fabbione> 12:27fabbioneNafallo: i will look if i have the time [02:13] <fabbione> so that was 2 hours ago :) [02:13] <Nafallo> fabbione: I asked in #ubuntu-devel earlier (I belive yesterday after checking the logs). [02:14] <fabbione> Nafallo: that's why i said 3 times.. [02:14] <fabbione> when i read the backlog you were not around.. [02:15] <Nafallo> fabbione: anyway. no hard feelings. those bugs keeps me on cable, that's why I wanted to make sure you knew. and the when zul came along, I asked him because he's been my SPOC on this driver :-). [02:15] <Nafallo> until now indeed... [02:17] <zul> oh if im not needed ill just go away..thanks.. [02:18] <zul> besides i dont see you submitting patches [02:20] <Nafallo> zul: I will not touch the kernel before I got lot's more experience. I watch the changelogs on this driver, and that's all I will do :-). I belive the issue is sorted now anyway :-). [02:20] <Nafallo> sorry for the nagging, now I'm sure this will get fixed and can get on with MOTU-things. [02:30] <JaneW> chmj: I thought someting interesting was happening here [02:31] <chmj> what you mean ? [02:32] <chmj> JaneW: O.o [03:24] <lamont> morning JaneW [03:25] <fabbione> hey lamont [03:25] <fabbione> lamont: do you happen to remember why you were pinging me yesterday? [03:25] <lamont> fabbione: actually running out the door... need to leave 5 min ago. [03:25] <fabbione> ok [03:25] <fabbione> ttyl [03:25] <lamont> about 45-60 min [03:25] <fabbione> sure [03:55] <zul> heh i might be conververting my boss from fedora to ubuntu [04:09] <JaneW> hi lamont [04:39] <lamont> Adding console on ttyS0 at MMIO 0xff5e0000 (options '9600n8') [04:39] <lamont> RAMDISK: cramfs filesystem found at block 0 [04:39] <lamont> RAMDISK: Loading 9152KiB [1 disk] into ram disk... done. [04:39] <lamont> XFS: bad magic number [04:39] <lamont> XFS: SB validate failed [04:39] <lamont> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,3) [04:39] <lamont> hrm... clearly I'm missing something important... [04:40] <fabbione> is that ia64? [04:45] <lamont> yeah... I mutilated the .config, and it booted. now to add some more stuff back. [04:45] <mjg59_> Is it an XFS filesystem? [04:45] <lamont> mjg59_: no [04:46] <lamont> ext3 everywhere, although hda1 is fat [04:46] <lamont> actually vfat [04:46] <fabbione> oh you have a copy of Windows IA64? [04:46] <lamont> elilo partition is vfat [04:46] <fabbione> ah ok [04:47] <lamont> because vfat is so cool. that and intel engineers are windoze-centric, so that's what they made it. [04:47] <lamont> you should see the builtin editor in efi... [04:47] <fabbione> notepad? ;) [04:47] <fabbione> or word? [04:48] <lamont> notepad like/nano-like. but absolutely sucky termio [04:49] <fabbione> brrrrrr [04:50] <fabbione> ok .. last universe full kick back before starting to check the c++ transition status... [04:53] <fabbione> and that's it for today... [04:53] <fabbione> i can't work anylonger... [04:53] <fabbione> so.. should i try to remount some extra i386 hw or should i mount the 2 mk68k ?? [04:53] <fabbione> m68k even [04:54] <fabbione> lamont: did you find what's wrong? [04:54] <lamont> dude. take the m68k to the firing range [04:54] <lamont> fabbione: well, I have a kernel that at least gets started, and one that doesn't. the diff is rather large still [04:54] <fabbione> ok :/ [04:55] <lamont> but since it's mostly driver crap, I just added back in PCCARD support, to see how fatal that is. [04:55] <fabbione> lamont: remember you still have baz capabilities... [04:55] <fabbione> and i will go VAC from tomorrow around 14:00 UTC [04:55] <lamont> fabbione: yeah, yeah... once I actually have a fix... [04:56] <fabbione> lamont: it's more because of me going away.. [04:56] <fabbione> you know i don't mind to do merges and changes around for porting [04:56] <lamont> % diff -u config.last itanium | wc [04:56] <lamont> 2701 5585 60917 [04:56] <fabbione> sh: line 1: gcc: command not found [04:56] <lamont> yeah - np [04:56] <fabbione> doh! [04:56] <lamont> lol [04:56] <lamont> you're gonna kinda need that... :-) [04:57] <fabbione> lamont: that's in a chroot buildd [04:57] <fabbione> there is gcc [04:58] <fabbione> OPS [04:58] <fabbione> sbuildd and buildd SHOULD fail if the chroot-$release is NOT there [04:59] <lamont> which sbuild are you using? [04:59] <fabbione> the standard one from db.d.o [05:01] <fabbione> if the chroot doesn't exists, it uses the "host" system [05:01] <fabbione> BAD BAD sbuild [05:01] <fabbione> at least it explains the several give-backs... [05:02] <lamont> fabbione: that's per specification... the chroot is optional... [05:02] <lamont> although a config variable might be nice [05:04] <fabbione> desrt: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/gentoovision_random_o.diff <- [05:05] <fabbione> desrt: changelog: [05:05] <fabbione> * switch to use gcc-snapshot [05:05] <fabbione> * use random -O [05:05] <fabbione> for better code corruption/optimization [05:06] <fabbione> desrt: note that the gtk_timeout_add is dangerous [05:06] <fabbione> i get it to segfault with timeouts < 200 [06:45] <zul> hmmm..../proc/apci/button has disappeared [06:49] <zul> mjg59_: ^^^^ should we add it back some users are complaining [06:52] <zul> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1920 [07:10] <fabbione> OMG! [07:10] <fabbione> there is no /dev/inotify! [07:10] <fabbione> it MUST BE BROKEN!!!! [07:14] <jbailey> zul: die, proc... DIE! [07:15] <fabbione> i am supposed to cook dinner, but i really don't feel like... [07:15] <karlheg> jbailey, You there? [07:16] <jbailey> karlheg: Yup! [07:16] <jbailey> karlheg: How's things? [07:17] <karlheg> Just emailed you... re: the move-mount of dev from initramfs to real root fs. [07:17] <desrt> hmm [07:18] <desrt> what do we have here [07:18] <desrt> a new kernel? i think so. [07:18] <karlheg> I thought I'd submitted a patch for that against initramfs-tools init, but it's not there afaict. The 'udev' /etc/init.d script is set up to deal with that now. [07:18] <desrt> Les NOUVEAUX paquets suivants seront installs: linux-image-2.6.12-5-686-smp [07:18] <jbailey> karlheg: You had submitted a patch, but I wanted the udev maintainer in DEbian to be on board with it as well. [07:19] <karlheg> Right, and I think he was, since it looks like the udev init can deal with it now. [07:19] <jbailey> karlheg: A guy from RH said that they've just removed udev from their initramfs because it's just easier to walk through sysfs yourself and create the block devices we need. [07:19] <jbailey> Cool. [07:19] <karlheg> He made my recommended changes. [07:20] <jbailey> I'll tkae a look at that, since that would work nicely too, for capturing early events. [07:20] <jbailey> When I had been thinking was a small hotplug handler to buffer all the events to be replayed later. [07:20] <karlheg> I don't see how that's easier. It's more work and a whole 'nuther routine to write and maintain. [07:20] <jbailey> Then just make the /dev stuff as discardable and do it as soon as possible on the new system. [07:20] <karlheg> It seems easier to just re-use 'udevinit'. [07:20] <jbailey> Well, the case that my thing covers is how to deal with events where the driver isn't available in the initiramfs. Right now it'll get lost. [07:21] <jbailey> We could ideally skip the whole coldplug phase by just grabbing all the events as they come from the kernel [07:21] <karlheg> It seems to me that there's no real need for hotplug in the initramfs, since we first probe all modules and then run the udevinit... ? [07:22] <jbailey> Right. The only thing is that there's a ton of events right now that go by - we just ignore them and trust hotplug to pick them up in the coldplug pass. [07:22] <jbailey> Either is fine, I think. [07:23] <karlheg> I need to study that system some more, I think. so, hotplug-ng is dead, and should be ignored? [07:23] <karlheg> I should look only at 'udev' then? [07:23] <karlheg> ... and at the Linux kernel support for it? [07:23] <jbailey> Yes. [07:23] <jbailey> The whole thing is shifting around, it's hard to keep up with. [07:24] <jbailey> udevsend gets the event - it sits on the hotplug handler. [07:24] <karlheg> Ok. I think if we move mount the /dev onto the real file system, that anything having a file in /dev open can keep running no problem. [07:24] <jbailey> It serialises it to make sure that if it's handling something once, that it doesn't run over itself. It then calls out to various hotplug scripts to handle the event (load drivers, etc) [07:25] <jbailey> I don't know enough about move mounts to say that it's true, but I suspect it is. [07:25] <karlheg> So a dummy hotplug script setup could queue the events for replay? [07:26] <karlheg> I tracked around in the kernel source for that information, and am fairly certain that moving a mount point is Ok in the case where files are open on it. They stay open and the inode is the same. [07:26] <jbailey> Right. [07:26] <jbailey> Sweet, thanks for looking at that. [07:27] <karlheg> Sorry I got side-tracked and did not work on any of this for the last few weeks. [07:27] <karlheg> I think I have a few days at least, and will try and stay busy on it. [07:28] <jbailey> No prob, I appreciate the time you're putting into it. =) [07:28] <karlheg> Any work in progress re porting udev to klibc? [07:28] <jbailey> My task right at the moment is to finish the DSDT stuff that I need and then do evms. [07:28] <jbailey> Nope, since I was going to get rid of it. =) [07:29] <jbailey> It really should replace a 60k binary with a couple hundred lines of shell to generate the block devices that exist on the system. [07:30] <karlheg> So... does 'udev' do device detection somehow? I'm not clear on that yet... Hmmm... for USB and PCI only, I suppose, plus perhaps a few easy to recognize devices? Even 'discover' has dropped support for ISA; it was not designed for device detection and the heuristics do not always work right. [07:30] <karlheg> Ah, ok; you are dumping 'udev' from initramfs then? [07:31] <jbailey> Well, udev just receives the events from the kernel. It's entirely up to each subsystem. [07:31] <jbailey> udev hands it off to the scripts in /etc/hotplug.d [07:32] <jbailey> Basically blindly by subsystem. [07:32] <karlheg> Ah, ok... Hey, let me read code a while before I try to discuss this. [07:32] <jbailey> It took me a bit to wrap my head around it. Going to OLS helped alot. [07:32] <karlheg> OLS? [07:33] <jbailey> Ottawa Linux Symposium. [07:33] <karlheg> Are you coming to Portland for the OSScon? [07:33] <karlheg> Fun. [07:33] <jbailey> It was 820 or so people involved in various bits of Linux development. [07:33] <jbailey> I like it because it gives me a chance to swap ideas with other distro folks. [07:33] <jbailey> Like the tip to get rid of udev came from a redhat guy. [07:33] <karlheg> I cannot afford to attend any pay-for events, but if the convention center is open for booths, etc. I'll probably walk over there and hang out a while. [07:34] <karlheg> Huh. Are you sure he's not throwing you a red herring? [07:34] <jbailey> Unfortunately, portland is a little far right now. I'd love to get out there for alot of reasons. (Lots of friends that I miss) [07:34] <karlheg> I don't know if they do that... some people are just like that. [07:34] <karlheg> Most in OSS are probably not though. [07:35] <jbailey> Pretty certain. It was all in context. [07:35] <karlheg> I quit eating beef. [07:35] <jbailey> Besides, I c ould grab rawhide and verify it easy enough. [07:35] <karlheg> Can we get a copy of their code? [07:35] <jbailey> Yup [07:35] <jbailey> It's all public. [07:35] <karlheg> :-) [07:36] <karlheg> I've not looked into how to do that. Do they use CVS or what? (I'll google it) [07:36] <jbailey> karlheg: I can recommend a number of good vegan places in Portland, assuming any of them are still open. =) [07:36] <jbailey> SRPMS. [07:37] <jbailey> I don't grab stuff from there often, so I have to fiddle with it to get it out. [07:37] <jbailey> I think you just apply alient to turn it into a .tar.gz or somethign. [07:37] <karlheg> I'm not going vegan; just no more beef. [07:37] <karlheg> Alright; I'll try that. [07:37] <jbailey> I'm vegan. That's the limit of the places I've been to in recent memory. =) [07:37] <jbailey> (Where recent memory == ~4.5 years ago) [07:37] <karlheg> Do you know what they call the relevant package? udev is probably same-name. [07:38] <jbailey> Dunno [07:38] <karlheg> Ok. [07:38] <karlheg> Well, I'm off now to grab a sandwich and then to read code. BBL8r. [07:38] <jbailey> Thanks, Karl! [07:41] <zul> jbailey: yes die proc die but it breaks apps [07:43] <zul> mmmm...love crippled perl [08:17] <mjg59_> zul: Yeah. It's hit 2.6.13 as well, so there should be a reversion patch soon [08:38] <zul> ok ill keep a watch on it

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.191476

2005-08-02-#ubuntu-artwork

[06:18] <mak> mak [07:07] <nicholaspaul> hi there [07:09] <nicholaspaul> hey andy [01:44] <MartenH> Hey [01:44] <MartenH> How can I change the splashscreen? Where is it stored? [02:06] <MartenH> guess you are all asleep... wrong timezone [02:10] <lukacu> hi ... we are not all asleep :) [02:12] <lukacu> by "splashscreen" you mean login screen or something else? [02:15] <ogra> thats rather a question for a support channel like #ubuntu [02:25] <MartenH> not the loginscreen (gdm) but the splashscreen shown while the desktop is loading [02:26] <MartenH> I askd in #ubuntu and they told me "there's an Ubuntu artwork project, they can probably tell you where everything is" :) [02:41] <MartenH> nm, found it: http://art.gnome.org/faq.php#q8 [02:44] <lukacu> thanks for the info [02:45] <MartenH> you're welcome [04:52] <MartenH> Can i get hold of the ubuntu logo as paths anywhere? [04:55] <lukacu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuArtwork [05:02] <MartenH> ty [05:39] <MartenH> what font is used for the ubuntu logo? [11:29] <MartenH> Hey, Seveas, following me around? ;)

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.198960

2005-08-02-#ubuntu-doc

[02:13] <Burgundavia> salut mpt [02:13] <mpt> hi Burgundavia, I've just put ubuntu-help on the Supermirror [02:13] <Burgundavia> cool [02:13] <mpt> mpt@myrealbox.com/help--0 [02:14] <Burgundavia> now I just need the baz crack of the day to work, haven't tried in a few days [02:14] <mpt> wah, where'd he go [02:15] <Burgundavia> bloody xchat [02:15] <mpt> Should show up at http://mirrors.sourcecontrol.net/mpt@myrealbox.com/ within about 15 minutes [02:16] <Burgundavia> ok [02:16] <mpt> so feel free to add all the docbook markup I haven't learnt yet, fill in your own sections, etc :-) [02:16] <Burgundavia> ok [02:17] <mpt> for each topic, think: Why has someone come here? [02:17] <mpt> it's quite probably because they've tried the obvious thing, and it hasn't worked [02:17] <mpt> so each topic should cover the most likely causes of failure. [02:18] <mpt> anyway, I need to log off and give the ethernet cable back to the hotel computer :-) [02:18] <mpt> I'll be back two hours before the docteam meeting [02:19] <Burgundavia> ok [02:19] <mpt> tchau [11:14] <Burgundavia> mdke, I am waving the flaming sword of organization on the wiki [11:26] <mdke> hello [11:27] <mdke> sounds good [11:27] <Burgundavia> ok [11:28] <Burgundavia> does moving fix the links to that page or do I need to do that myself? [11:28] <mdke> you have to do that [11:28] <mdke> same as deleting [11:28] <Burgundavia> ok, same as mediawiki [11:28] <Burgundavia> salut jsgotangco [11:28] <jsgotangco> salut [11:28] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, you seem to have an itch on Installation help heh [11:29] <mdke> yes cept mediawiki leaves a redirect note on the previous page afaik, ours doesn't even do that [11:29] <Burgundavia> mdke, moving a page creates a redirect, yes [11:29] <jsgotangco> ahhh and mdke is back again... [11:29] <Burgundavia> however, mediawiki search ignores redirects [11:29] <Burgundavia> ours does not [11:30] <Burgundavia> I have been struggling with backlinks [11:30] <Burgundavia> is ther something like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Main_Page [11:30] <Burgundavia> all I can find is this --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation?action=LocalSiteMap [11:30] <mdke> yes [11:30] <Burgundavia> which sucks [11:30] <Burgundavia> to be honest [11:30] <mdke> just click on the title of the page you want to see the backlinks for [11:31] <mdke> dude [11:31] <mdke> you've been deleting pages without knowing that? [11:31] <Burgundavia> I have been following local site map [11:31] <mdke> no wonder there are broken links around [11:31] <jsgotangco> heh [11:31] <jsgotangco> steam roller [11:31] <Burgundavia> sorry our wiki software hides useful features in stupid locations [11:32] <mdke> i thought all wikis have the "click on title for backlinks" thing [11:32] <Burgundavia> I like mediawiki's links, sorry [11:32] <Burgundavia> nothing is hidden in menus [11:32] <Burgundavia> or hidden completely [11:32] <jsgotangco> right [11:32] <jsgotangco> go mediawiki [11:33] <Burgundavia> the other thing that bugs me is getting from any special page back the page it is about [11:33] <mdke> ok burgs it is hidden I agree, but you really should make sure you know stuff like that before going around deleting pages [11:33] <Burgundavia> mediawiki has a link called aricle [11:33] <Burgundavia> mdke, sorry about that, but that is total bollocks where it puts it [11:33] <mdke> Burgundavia, i agree, but still, if you're gonna do drastic work, read the docs man [11:34] <Burgundavia> yes [11:34] <Burgundavia> it is just a wiki [11:34] <Burgundavia> if I need to read a documenation about how to use it, that is completely broken [11:34] <mdke> i agree [11:35] <mdke> but still, i warned you about backlinks a few times [11:35] <Burgundavia> I thought I knew what I was doing [11:35] <Burgundavia> I found a semi useful link [11:35] <mdke> ok well np [11:35] <mdke> we can fix the broken links [11:37] <mdke> Burgundavia, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome has escaped the flaming sword? :p [11:38] <Burgundavia> haven't got to it yet [11:38] <mdke> ;) [11:38] <Burgundavia> don't worry, there is lots to burn through before then [11:38] <jsgotangco> when i saw it, i read "HowToCome" [11:38] <Burgundavia> lmao [11:39] <rob^> thats a pretty big wiki page [11:39] <Burgundavia> indeed [11:39] <Burgundavia> the author is quite a nice guy [11:39] <Burgundavia> just needed to be guided in the correct direction [11:39] <rob^> theres gotta be some useful stuff there :) [11:39] <Burgundavia> what do I do with these lovely Moin installation docs? [11:40] <Burgundavia> they cannot stay where they are, due to misleading names [11:41] <mdke> you can't edit them afaik [11:41] <Burgundavia> what!!! [11:41] <mdke> lemme read your email [11:41] <Burgundavia> you are right [11:41] <Burgundavia> I cannot [11:41] <rob^> hmm my breezy test-bed pc needs 550 mb to upgrade from warty to breezy [11:42] <mdke> all the HelpOn pages are moin related [11:43] <Burgundavia> yes [11:43] <Burgundavia> I still hate our wiki [11:43] <rob^> if you don't want to remove them, maybe rename them to MoinEtcEtc or something [11:43] <Burgundavia> but, like any ugly child, it still needs love [11:43] <Burgundavia> yes [11:43] <rob^> it needs a bitch slap [11:44] <Burgundavia> rob^, I don't want them to die, they just need to move [11:44] <mdke> maybe we can make a subpage under /Moin/ [11:44] <rob^> Burgundavia, yeah, so if you rename them people wont get confused [11:44] <mdke> but all the links will need redoing i think [11:44] <rob^> yeah :P [11:44] <Burgundavia> that cannot be that many [11:44] <jsgotangco> does the moin sandbox still exist [11:45] <Burgundavia> yes [11:45] <Burgundavia> MoinSandbox, I think [11:45] <jsgotangco> either that or WikiSandbox [11:46] <jsgotangco> how about FindPage [11:46] <jsgotangco> and HelpForBeginners [11:46] <mdke> there are millions of help pages [11:46] <mdke> well, not millions obviously [11:46] <jsgotangco> well those are the basic Moin help pages... [11:46] <mdke> HelpContents is the index [11:46] <Burgundavia> I am also thinking about a standard page name for installation of programs [11:46] <mdke> Burgundavia, the problem is you have to deal with all the language variants of the HelpPages too [11:47] <Burgundavia> yes [11:47] <Burgundavia> I am well aware of that [11:47] <jsgotangco> see HelpForBeginners is still standard Moin help [11:47] <jsgotangco> heh [11:47] <Burgundavia> it also needs to move [11:47] <mdke> i dunno [11:47] <Burgundavia> moin has no bloody namespaces [11:47] <mdke> i still believe that linking is the way forward [11:47] <Burgundavia> like Moin:Blah [11:48] <Burgundavia> upstream rejected my idea of adding them as "a hack" [11:48] <jsgotangco> nice...the whole ubuntu moin wiki still has all the moin help pages... [11:49] <mdke> of course, you don't think it should? [11:49] <jsgotangco> mdke, not all [11:49] <Burgundavia> I don't mind the moin help pages [11:49] <Burgundavia> I just want them clearly labelled as Moin pages [11:50] <jsgotangco> but then, those pages are really useless in a security sense... [11:50] <mdke> jsgotangco, but how do users learn about how the wiki works? [11:50] <Burgundavia> do you think ProgramInstallation or InstallingProgram is a better default? [11:51] <Burgundavia> mdke, you make a page like this --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Introduction [11:51] <jsgotangco> mdke, like i said, some pages are pretty useless for end users as they pertain mostly to Moin backend config and ACLs [11:51] <Burgundavia> linked from FrontPage [11:52] <mdke> jsgotangco, but they might be useful to some, so why remove them? do they do harm to others? [11:52] <Burgundavia> email sent to Hendrik about moving those Moin installation pages [11:52] <jsgotangco> mdke, in a stricter sense, it does not jive with overall Ubuntu wiki documentation hence there should at least be a way to classify them [11:53] <Burgundavia> mdke, in our "main namespace", there should only be docs that pertain to Ubuntu [11:53] <Burgundavia> and other Ubuntu related stuff [11:53] <jsgotangco> HelpOnUpdatingPython for example...is very much a Moin issue rather than a Python issue [11:54] <mdke> those pages are not linked on UserDocumentation [11:54] <mdke> Burgundavia, there are a lot more than docs in our main namespace [11:54] <jsgotangco> they may not be, but it doesn't mean its not there :) [11:54] <Burgundavia> mdke, they can be found via search [11:55] <Burgundavia> mdke, that is why I killed those InstallationTutorial pages [11:55] <Burgundavia> read my email [11:55] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FrontPage?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=python&titlesearch=Titles [11:55] <Burgundavia> which are you going to choose? [11:55] <mdke> i'll choose them all and see which one helps [11:55] <Burgundavia> ouch [11:56] <Burgundavia> that is a lot of clicking and reading [11:56] <mdke> i use linux, i'm always clicking and readings :D [11:56] <Burgundavia> I really want to move non-docs off our wiki [11:56] <Burgundavia> I have raised this idea before, but got no support [11:56] <mdke> non docs? [11:56] <jsgotangco> heck we better prepare a lot of pitchforks for that [11:56] <mdke> so developments stuff, motu stuff, userpages? [11:56] <Burgundavia> the udu wiki exists [11:56] <Burgundavia> lets use it [11:57] <Burgundavia> mediawiki has a nice feature [11:57] <Burgundavia> Burgundavia is not User:Burgundavia [11:57] <jsgotangco> yeah the namespace really organizes a lot of stuff [11:57] <Burgundavia> rejected by upstream as a hack [11:57] <Burgundavia> fools [11:58] <jsgotangco> thats why i recommended a client to use mediawiki instead for information stuff [11:58] <Burgundavia> much better for what we are trying to do [11:58] <shawarma> Why did we settle on Moin in the first place? [11:58] <Burgundavia> shawarma, we didn't choose the wiki [11:58] <Burgundavia> Ubuntu loves python and moin is python [11:58] <jsgotangco> generally, its a Python application [11:58] <Burgundavia> moin is faster than mediawiki [11:58] <shawarma> Oh, right. [11:59] <Burgundavia> media is also evil PHP [11:59] <shawarma> I forget: What were we using before? [11:59] <Burgundavia> Zwiki, more shite [11:59] <shawarma> Oh, right. [11:59] <Burgundavia> that had even less features, if that is possible [11:59] <shawarma> *G* [11:59] <mdke> Burgundavia, the udu wiki is merging with our wiki [11:59] <mdke> ditto edubuntu [12:00] <Burgundavia> seriously? [12:00] <mdke> yes [12:00] <mdke> mark's call [12:00] <Burgundavia> we really really need namespaces [12:00] <Burgundavia> segregate all the developer stuff to Developer: [12:01] <mdke> we could use subpages for that [12:01] <Burgundavia> can we move them all a subpage of Developers ? [12:01] <Burgundavia> or Development [12:01] <mdke> it is possible, but I have a hunch that we don't [12:01] <mdke> don't/won't [12:02] <jsgotangco> hehehe..even gentoo uses mediawiki... [12:02] <Burgundavia> yes [12:02] <Burgundavia> so does the hula-project [12:02] <jsgotangco> yeah [12:02] <Burgundavia> they are also looking into wiki<-->docbook stuff [12:02] <Burgundavia> very seriously [12:02] <jsgotangco> isnt that what Nat was pushing for? [12:03] <Burgundavia> he is working with the hula team [12:03] <Burgundavia> no idea what capacity [12:03] <Burgundavia> and the mediawiki people are willing to jump to python, if someone codes for them [12:03] <Burgundavia> they are seriously shortstaffed [12:03] <jsgotangco> i have a hula live account but it doesnt do pop [12:03] <jsgotangco> just smtp [12:04] <Burgundavia> without jumping engines, how can we solve our "too many on one wiki" issue? [12:05] <Burgundavia> can we realisitically ask all to move all the development stuff to subpages? [12:06] <mdke> IMHO, no [12:06] <mdke> i really don't think there is a need [12:07] <mdke> you can ask them to make intuitive names for pages of course [12:07] <Burgundavia> categories can help [12:07] <Burgundavia> can we have subcategories? [12:08] <Burgundavia> ie, can I move the category MOTU to be under development? [12:08] <Burgundavia> also the category archive [12:08] <jsgotangco> hmmm interesting we have a Matthew East in docteam and there's a Matthew West in the Learn Linux project :) [12:17] <jsgotangco> see you all in a few hours, i'm going to drop by the grocer first... [12:23] <Burgundavia> oh crap [12:23] <Burgundavia> stupid god damn CamelCase [12:31] <Burgundavia> should I move WithFloppies to FromFloppies, to be consistent? [02:23] <mpt> hi everyone [02:23] <Burgundavia> salut mpt [02:23] <mpt> hi Burgundavia, did anything work? [02:23] <Burgundavia> haven't tried it [02:23] <Burgundavia> my life is a total disaster right now [02:24] <mpt> http://mirrors.sourcecontrol.net/mpt@myrealbox.com/help--0/ [02:24] <mpt> What's up? Anything that can be helped from outside? [02:24] <Burgundavia> about the only good news I have heard all week is that I am getting a free laptop, courtesy of your boss [02:24] <Burgundavia> yes, a job would be nice, but canonical has already said no [02:24] <mpt> heh, cool [02:25] <rob^> my local lug wants me to give a presentation on Ubunut next meeting [02:25] <mpt> What did you ask to do? [02:25] <mpt> (for Canonical) [02:25] <Burgundavia> bug traige, docs, usability [02:25] <rob^> anyone know of a good ubuntu style OOo template? [02:26] <mpt> Burgundavia: Hmm, well we have quite a few volunteers for all those things :-) [02:26] <Burgundavia> wiki.ubuntu.com/Presentations might have something [02:26] <rob^> thanks Burgundavia [02:26] <Burgundavia> mpt, enrico used to do one day a week of wiki gardening [02:27] <Burgundavia> the spare time I have, I have been dumping into the wiki [02:28] <mpt> thereby disproving any claim that you need to be paid :-/ [02:28] <Burgundavia> not really [02:29] <Burgundavia> if I was paid, I could do a lot more work [02:29] <mpt> trus [02:29] <mpt> true, even [02:29] <mpt> Will you have time to look at the archive before the meeting? [02:29] <Burgundavia> and the wiki does need it [02:29] <Burgundavia> sure, will look now [02:31] <mpt> thanks [02:34] <Burgundavia> the only major issue that I see right off the bat is length of the headings [02:34] <Burgundavia> yelp hides the end [02:35] <mpt> Yes, there's a lot of yelp tweaks I haven't found out how to do yet [02:35] <mpt> one of the things I want to do is hide the ToC frame [02:36] <mpt> I thought <?yelp:chunk-depth 0?> would do that, but it got ignored [02:36] <mpt> and <?yelp:chunk-depth 1?> resulted in the whole document being rendered as a single page [03:19] <jjesse> doc meeting today right? [03:19] <mpt> yep, 40 minutes [03:20] <jjesse> well if i'm not too busy at work it will be the first one i'm actually at :) [03:21] <jjesse> bummer about it being early for you [03:21] <Burgundavia> hey, 22UTC is 7am for Jerome [03:21] <jjesse> burgundavia you are in the us? [03:21] <Burgundavia> Canada, west coast [03:21] <jjesse> ah [03:22] <Burgundavia> jjesse, where are you? [03:22] <jjesse> Michigan US [03:22] <jjesse> so Eastern TIme zone [03:22] <Burgundavia> ok [03:25] <rob^> hey, what is the name of the guy who founded Ubuntu again? [03:25] <Burgundavia> Mark Shuttleworth [03:26] <rob^> the rich thawe dude [03:26] <Burgundavia> we need a common about Ubuntu section [03:26] <Burgundavia> that we can paste into docs [03:26] <rob^> Hes the guy who went up in space, right? [03:26] <Burgundavia> correct [03:26] <rob^> cool [03:26] <rob^> this presento is comming along.. [03:27] <Burgundavia> oh, you are doing a presentation for your lug [03:27] <rob^> yeah [03:27] <Burgundavia> I did one for LinuxFestNorthWest [03:27] <Burgundavia> not bad [03:27] <rob^> they want to use Ubuntu for an installfest comming up [03:27] <rob^> on software freedom day [03:27] <Burgundavia> cool [03:27] <jjesse> OOOO [03:27] <Burgundavia> my lug still uses FC [03:28] <Burgundavia> poor bastards who get that [03:28] <rob^> so does mine [03:28] <rob^> but I convinced them otherwise [03:28] <rob^> and they wanted to know more, so yeah.. [03:47] <mpt> https://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/ <-- wtf [03:47] <Burgundavia> ok then [03:47] <Burgundavia> I remember that old wiki [04:00] <mpt> MEETING TIME [04:00] <mpt> Who's here? [04:01] <mpt> two people? :-) [04:01] <Burgundavia> the rest will come [04:03] <mpt> three people! [04:04] <mpt> Is that a quorum? [04:04] <rob^> w00t! [04:05] <Burgundavia> mpt, we meet in #ubuntu-meeting [04:05] <mpt> ah [04:08] <Burgundavia> mdke, you there? [05:18] <Burgundavia> mpt, welcome back [05:30] <rob^> so umm yeah [05:33] <jsgotangco> yeah? [05:34] <rob^> I dunno [05:34] <rob^> time for bed I think, its 130am [05:34] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, did you do a summary for the jul 14th meeting? [05:34] <rob^> umm I don't think anyone did it did they? [05:34] <jsgotangco> hmmm i have it somewhere over here but i haven't posted it either... [05:35] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeamMeetingSummary7?action=edit [05:35] <jsgotangco> these 2 weeks are rather busy on my part [05:35] <Burgundavia> that is what it should be [05:35] <Burgundavia> I will make my summary 8 [05:35] <jsgotangco> alright, ill post it later [05:40] <rob^> well that sucks, breezy broke my ssh x forwarding :( [05:45] <Burgundavia> indeed it does [05:45] <rob^> fudge it [05:54] <Burgundavia> rob^, you want to email about the yelp main page stuff as well? [05:55] <rob^> yeah, I'll do in in a while, going to get some sleep first [05:55] <Burgundavia> sure [05:55] <Burgundavia> the summary is going out in a few minutes [05:56] <rob^> good :) [05:56] <rob^> I'll refer to that [05:56] <Burgundavia> fix if you see things I left out [05:56] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeamMeetingSummary8?action=show [06:01] <rob^> man locales are so messed up in breezy atm [06:02] <rob^> night all [06:05] <mpt> ... back [06:17] <jsgotangco> ok guys later..good night [06:17] <jsgotangco> hmm [06:17] <jsgotangco> btw [06:17] <jsgotangco> baz can happen anytime [06:17] <jsgotangco> its just waiting for us [06:17] <jsgotangco> night [06:18] <mpt> So, what did I miss? [06:30] <carstenh> hi, how do i add comments in a wiki, something like /* comment */ in c++? [06:31] <jeffsch> use ## at the beginning of each comment line [06:31] <carstenh> jeffsch: and how do i comment out blocks? [06:32] <carstenh> ok, then i will use ## to comment out a block, thanks a lot [06:32] <jeffsch> i don't think you can comment out blocks :( [06:35] <carstenh> jeffsch: i used ## for this block, thanks a lot again. [07:36] <mpt> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/products/ubuntu-help [08:05] <jjesse> why can't ubuntu get their certificates setup correctly :) sick of warnings :) [08:05] <mpt> heh [08:05] <mpt> Not just certificates, but also domain names [08:05] <mpt> Compare and contrast: [08:05] <mpt> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadIntegration [08:06] <mpt> https://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadIntegration [08:07] <jjesse> https://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadIntegration doesn't exist [08:07] <mpt> it did a week ago [08:07] <mpt> the point is, they're different pages on different sites [08:08] <jjesse> that's silly [08:08] <jjesse> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/products/ubuntu-help/+series/trunk is there a "more" cause its taking forever to loa [08:08] <jjesse> load [08:08] <mpt> nothing interesting [08:08] <mpt> it's quite embarrassing, really [08:09] <mpt> Launchpad is based around managing code in Bazaar [08:09] <mpt> but *currently*, it lets upstream developers register code that's in SVN, and code that's in CVS, but *not* code that's in Bazaar [08:09] <mpt> that'll be fixed in the next month or two [08:10] <mpt> That's why I put the URL in the description. [08:16] <jjesse> ah

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.208275

2005-08-02-#ubuntu

[12:00] <sorush20> is everyone aware of Kubuntu... [12:00] <jimiykriket> a CGI program your web server must be configured to run CGI programs [12:00] <jimiykriket> thats what I want to apease [12:00] <othernoob> sorush20: no, until now i was a secret.. [12:00] <cato_> So no one actually uses the "new" ati drivers? from the ati page (New installer) [12:00] <othernoob> it* [12:03] <sorush20> I mean the distro ubuntu... with KDE....eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [12:04] <benplaut> sorush20: Kyes, Kwhat Kabout Kit? [12:05] <cato_> can anyone help with this? http://pastebin.com/322900 [12:05] <cato_> or give me an idea what's wrong? [12:05] <sorush20> benplaut; I thinks it great... [12:05] <sorush20> da [12:05] <benplaut> then use it... [12:05] <crimsun> cato_: why aren't you using http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ? [12:05] <othernoob> sorush20: are you drunk? [12:06] <cato_> crimsun, because those doesnt work with cedega for me.. i've tried everything.. :\ [12:06] <zxmpulse> hy [12:06] <crimsun> cato_: install build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) [12:07] <sorush20> othernoob; but I have to do the backing up manually.. right.. I don't want to do... that.. [12:07] <zxmpulse> can you explame me how to make a sript for starting giftd giFTcurs in the same command [12:07] <cato_> crimsun, ok, thanks.. :) [12:09] <othernoob> sorush20: which closed source prog does what you want to do? [12:11] <trevi> hi zxmpulse [12:12] <zxmpulse> hi trevi [12:12] <hacked``> guys, how come there is no /net directory in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/ [12:12] <LED_scorched> can some one help me with installing MPLAYER? [12:13] <LED_scorched> i downloaded the package from ubuntu... but i dont know what to do with it [12:13] <crimsun> hacked``: ...and? it's in kernel/net/ [12:13] <drummer> HELP!!!!!! I was trying to as a group to my user account and blew out ALL the other groups. I no longer have sudo privileges and I had not yet set up a separate password for root. How can I fix this? [12:14] <crimsun> LED_scorched: how did you download it? [12:14] <drummer> sorry that should read "Trying to add a group..." [12:14] <LED_scorched> clicked and saved it, then extracted it [12:14] <jimiykriket> yay http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/howto/cgi.html [12:15] <elsha> !panic [12:15] <ubotu> Wish i knew, elsha [12:15] <jimiykriket> RTM RTM RTM RTM RTM RTM RTM RTM [12:15] <sorush20> othernoob, I just wanted something that would backup files to a dvd... Konserve is one.. but it doesn't wite to DVDS [12:15] <LED_scorched> i get a debian binary that says "2.0" and then two .tar.gz files that have .conf files and such in then [12:15] <elsha> anyone know of any documentation on PANIC errors? [12:15] <Burgundavia> jimiykriket, please don't say things like that in #ubuntu [12:15] <james_> Anyone got any ideas why VideoLAN (VLC) refuses to "stay on top" even when specified [12:16] <orac> elsha: HHGTG [12:16] <elsha> !HHGTG [12:16] <ubotu> elsha: I give up, what is it? [12:16] <crimsun> LED_scorched: did you download it manually or via synaptic/aptitude/apt-get/dselect? [12:16] <MrMo> drummer, fixed by now? [12:16] <LED_scorched> manually [12:16] <Burgundavia> orac, please stop flooding the channel with useless ubotu queries [12:17] <MrMo> drummer, if not. reboot and add the following parameter to your kernel boot: 'init=/bin/bash' [12:17] <crimsun> LED_scorched: then you need to at least install it. sudo dpkg -i foo.deb [12:17] <MrMo> drummer, after that fix your permissions, and reboot. [12:17] <LED_scorched> would i put the name after that all , or what? [12:18] <crimsun> LED_scorched: yes, the filename [12:18] <LED_scorched> thank you crimsun [12:19] <puff> Hm, mplayer isn't in the apt sources that ubuntu uses by default. [12:19] <crimsun> puff: correct, it's in multiverse. [12:19] <puff> Does/can ubuntu use the same apt-sources that debian does? [12:19] <puff> Multiverse? [12:19] <useruser> puff: no [12:19] <crimsun> puff: it's a very bad idea to mix sources. [12:20] <Jeezis> ok, how do i compile a .c file into a .so file? [12:20] <puff> crimsun: Okay. [12:20] <basti> !webmin [12:20] <ubotu> To use webmin with ubuntu you have to add a webmin-root account with : /usr/share/webmin/changepass.pl /etc/webmin root "password", or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebminWithoutARootAccount [12:25] <Jeezis> ok, how do i compile a .c file into a .so file? [12:26] <ptlo> Jeezis: with something like: gcc -shared -fPIC -DPIC file.c -o file.so [12:26] <cafuego> Jeezis: with a compiler and a linker. install build-essential and start reading docs. [12:27] <andre> hey.... [12:27] <Jeezis> thanks guys, sorry to be a pain :) [12:27] <andre> could someone explain me how I configure my keyboard? [12:28] <puff> Hm, I just did "apt-get emacs", apt just asked me to re-insert the ubuntu install CD-ROM, presumably to get emacs from it. I have plenty of space on this box, is there any standard way to copy the whole install CD to the hard drive and have apt look at that? [12:28] <puff> Or should I just copy it manually and hand-edit the apt sources? [12:28] <cafuego> puff: Yopu can throw all .deb files into /var/cache/apt/archives [12:28] <Randall64> How do you make ubuntu remember mixer settings? [12:28] <andre> CAN SOMEONE HELP CONFIGURING MY KEYBOARD? [12:29] <cafuego> andre: Just hit capslock, when the light goes off it'll be fine. [12:29] <Randall64> andre: 1) take hammer in hand 2) apply to caps lock [12:29] <othernoob> lol [12:29] <puff> andre: for starts, the caps lock key ... [12:29] <Randall64> When I login to kde it tries its best to rupture my eardrums each time. [12:29] <puff> andre: I realize it's frustrating, but bear in mind that a) not everybody is paying attention right now, give people a minute to catch up, [12:29] <Jeezis> bah, i guess both the things i was trying to compile were buggy [12:30] <puff> andre: and b) not everybody who *is* active knows how. [12:30] <puff> andre: and c) yeah, it's annoying when everybody ignores the question. [12:30] <puff> andre: but d) shouting doesn't help. [12:30] <andre> I've configured in the right keyboard layout... [12:30] <andre> but I cant use accents [12:30] <Randall64> accents are tricky [12:31] <puff> I'm afraid I'm a newbie here myself, and I haven't messed with keyboard configuration. [12:31] <Randall64> My english is pretty good, but my french is just awful. [12:31] <puff> Randall64: You're not helping :-). [12:31] <cafuego> ar they? [12:31] <Randall64> Bah, did I say I would? [12:31] <apollo2011> I was able to get my laptop to boot outside the dock by commenting everything in /etc/modules and then speed up the network configuration by using ifplugd. But now, when it seems like it is at the point it will load X, it goes to a black screen and stays there. [12:32] <apollo2011> This only occurs when it is booted when it is not in the base station [12:32] <Randall64> hah [12:32] <TooSad> hi, i have installed gnome-bluetooth, bluez and ussp-push but i am not able to connect my samsung D500 with my pc in bluetooth way. how could i make a connection? [12:32] <drummer> MrMo: sorry I had to answer a phone call. I'm not totally sure of what you said. Is there an option during boot to insert the 'init=/bin/bash' command? And as for fixing permissions - will that give me temporary sudo privileges? [12:32] <Jeezis> ok, newb question, what's the command to delete when in the console? [12:32] <cafuego> Jeezis: 'rm' [12:32] <Jeezis> cafuego: thanks a lot :) [12:32] <cafuego> Jeezis: You _really_ shouldn't be compiling (anything) without such base knowledge ;-) [12:33] <apollo2011> Jeezis: you should look at "man rm" to see the context of it. [12:33] <Jeezis> heheh, ok, thanks [12:33] <elsha> hmm, i've been looking through the documentation and the bugzilla link... but havent been able to have any luck finding anything about the error i'm getting. im booting up with an amd64 cd, and the second line when trying to boot up the kernel is coming up with PANIC: early exception rip 10 error ffffffff803ecd0b cr2 0 [12:33] <Jeezis> well, apparently 'rm' doesnt delete directories [12:33] <icewt> Jeezis, rm -r [12:34] <cafuego> Jeezis: it does, check the docs [12:34] <Jeezis> ok, thanks [12:34] <cafuego> Jeezis: If the directory is empty, you can use 'rmdir'. [12:34] <TooSad> hi, i have installed gnome-bluetooth, bluez and ussp-push but i am not able to connect my samsung D500 with my pc in bluetooth way. how could i make a connection? [12:34] <CoffeeBreaks> I tried manually installing kernel 2.6.12.3 on hoary amd64 but it failed booting (something about not finding /lib/modules/2.6.12.3/modules.dep which exists). Any idea? [12:36] <apollo2011> anyone know what is causing my problem loading X? [12:37] <Turrican> wie kann ich ein compiliertes und gelinktes c programm ausfhren ? [12:37] <eth42> Turrican: #ubuntu-de [12:38] <TooSad> hi, how can i configure my pc to use a bluetooth connection with my phone? [12:38] <eth42> Turrican: wenn das programm prog heit, dann im entsprechenden Pfad ./prog [12:39] <RichardC> is there a way to backup all the .deb's i've downloaded and installed w/ apt-get and synaptic? i'm about to reformat, but im on dial-up and i dont wanna have to download all these debs again [12:40] <Randall64> RichardC: /var/cache/apt is where they are ... [12:40] <thingfish> RichardC: just save the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives. [12:40] <eth42> RichardC: synaptic keeps the files; at least up to some amount [12:41] <RichardC> eth42: where does it keep them? [12:41] <one> im interested in ubuntu because ive been told it supports Inspiron 9100 ATI video out of the box [12:41] <eth42> actually, I've got the same question: just put the deb's back to /var/cache/apt ? [12:41] <one> how is it compared to slackware? [12:41] <desrt> one; it's really not [12:41] <one> Slackware doesnt support my video, not at all... yucky [12:41] <mpmc> Can't believe how much faster it is to install things on ubuntu than windows [12:42] <eth42> RichardC: see Randall64 and thingfish [12:42] <thingfish> yes eth42 [12:42] <desrt> one; slackware does almost nothing for you... ubuntu is practically automatic by comparison [12:42] <holycow> one, depends by 'supporting radeon out of the box' [12:42] <RichardC> eth42: everything i've downloaded is definately not there [12:42] <holycow> yes it comes with generic ati drivers [12:42] <RichardC> only a few, i think the ones from apt-get, ater [12:42] <desrt> holycow; a 9100 will work out of the box [12:42] <one> Well my friend got his 1920x1200 resolution [12:42] <holycow> desrt, really? [12:42] <one> that means the video is supported [12:42] <one> I was like holy sh1t! [12:42] <desrt> holycow; yes. anything less than 9200 is supported by the DRI driver [12:42] <doudou> hey [12:42] <one> ive been trying to get radeon video to work in slack w/ xorg for a long time [12:43] <one> it just boots black screen [12:43] <cafuego> An actual 9200 is supported too. [12:43] <desrt> holycow; only need fglrx for > 9200 [12:43] <scones> hey all [12:43] <eth42> RichardC: there are options in synaptic that regulate that (you can permanently keep all files) [12:43] <jimiykriket> http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/show/RailsOnDebian [12:43] <cafuego> The one in the Mac mini works great. [12:43] <holycow> desrt, wow [12:43] <one> I tried loading fglrx on slack it doesnt work [12:43] <doudou> i want to find a new theme? [12:43] <one> it's yucky [12:43] <firemanworld> hi there [12:43] <TooSad> hi, how can i configure my pc to use a bluetooth connection with my phone? [12:43] <firemanworld> i have a problem with my ubuntu linux [12:43] <firemanworld> may someone help me?? [12:43] <eth42> RichardC: so probably, your's have already been deleted again; and I dont know about apt-get [12:43] <scones> first time i am using linux [12:43] <holycow> well fglrx install on ubuntu is simple [12:43] <RichardC> eth42: are some packages stored in pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin? [12:43] <holycow> instructions are on the ubuntu website, but i'm sure you know that already :) [12:44] <cafuego> RichardC: No. /var/cache/apt/archives/ [12:44] <eth42> RichardC: I don't know [12:44] <desrt> DRI also recently got support for R350 (ie: radeon 9600) [12:44] <holycow> cool, have fun indeed! [12:44] <eth42> firemanworld: what's the problem? [12:44] <desrt> so you can use radeon 9600 with open source drivers too, if you have a sense of adventure [12:44] <kemik> desrt: are they any good? [12:44] <firemanworld> whenever I try to install some packages, like for example j2sdk1.4m it complains that requires libc6(>=2.3.2.ds1-21), but it also sais that 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is going to be installed [12:44] <mpmc> should I install a firewall? [12:44] <desrt> kemik; well.. they're still CVS-only... so i wouldn't recommend using them yet [12:44] <Last_in_Line> Hello [12:44] <firemanworld> so I cant put j2sdk on my computer [12:44] <doudou> is there somebody to tell me where i an find a new theme for my computer? [12:44] <kemik> too much hassle :) [12:45] <kemik> firemanworld: why not? [12:45] <desrt> doudou; art.gnome.org or www.gnome-look.org [12:45] <RichardC> cafuego: only the packaged i've downloaded with apt-get are there, but synaptic is set to "only delete packages which are no longer available." [12:45] <firemanworld> dodou - gnome-look.org [12:45] <firemanworld> i don't know [12:45] <cafuego> firemanworld: Just install the ubuntu package and not the Debian one. [12:45] <doudou> thanks desrt [12:45] <firemanworld> it can't find the file [12:45] <desrt> np. [12:45] <firemanworld> i mean, the package [12:45] <eth42> but there is no Ubuntu package for Java, right? [12:45] <kemik> well, goto sun.java.com and download the .bin [12:45] <firemanworld> how do I do that, changing the /etc/apt/sources.list? [12:45] <holycow> that laptop does 1920x1200? [12:46] <holycow> wow [12:46] <holycow> sweet [12:46] <kemik> !java [12:46] <ubotu> I heard java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added. [12:46] <eth42> firemanworld: there is a description for installing Java in the Ubuntu Wiki [12:46] <mpmc> Whats a good PHP editor with code highlight + reminder... [12:46] <cafuego> firemanworld: Check the wiki url ubotu just posted; it explains. [12:46] <firemanworld> ok [12:46] <cafuego> mpmc: vim! [12:46] <sun_> hi i think solfege doesnt install gtkhtml which it depends on [12:46] <eth42> mpmc what's a reminder [12:46] <kemik> !tell firemanworld about java [12:46] <firemanworld> but it also fails with some sound packages [12:46] <Last_in_Line> Has anyone installed egroupware? [12:47] <holycow> 9.2 pounds! [12:47] <holycow> jesus f christ! [12:47] <eth42> mpmc: good PHP editor, actually, good ANYTHING editor is jEdit. [12:47] <sun_> anyone know if there is a violin/cello tuning program in ubuntu/debian? [12:47] <CoffeeBreaks> should I use update-initrd to create an initrd file when building 2.6.12.3 by hand using a config heavily based on hoary's 2.6.10 config? [12:47] <mpmc> eth42: like you you put your mouse over a php function and it tells you the function args.. [12:47] <cafuego> holycow: That's a cheap video card. [12:47] <kemik> firemanworld: not sure that wiki explains how to get the SDK (only JRE), but the SDK can be downloaded from java.sun.com [12:47] <holycow> cafuego, and its 10 pounds! [12:47] <Razor-X> ;) [12:47] <firemanworld> kemik- I know but then it won't be automatically updated [12:47] <holycow> the longer you carry it, the more it weighs [12:47] <eth42> mpmc: ok, there's such a plugin for Java code in jEdit, but I doubt that there's something for PHP [12:47] <cafuego> holycow: Yeah, can't go wrong. is is AGP or PCI? [12:48] <holycow> so on a trip that would be like what, 20 pounds? [12:48] <holycow> ehe [12:48] <Last_in_Line> I installed egroupware but I can't set it up, the setup page just reloads with the generic info [12:48] <holycow> :) [12:48] <holycow> no thats a wicked machine, desktop replacement [12:48] <eth42> mpmc: but why PHP in first place? PHP is crap. :-) [12:48] <mpmc> Eth42: something like quanta.. [12:48] <holycow> lemme see [12:48] <firemanworld> my problem is not with java is with the libc6(>=2.3.2.ds1-21) library [12:48] <cafuego> firemanworld: Your problem is with java. [12:48] <eth42> mpmc: my reminder was the PHP manual [12:48] <cafuego> firemanworld: You're installing a *debian( java which hads *debian* depends. Not Ubuntu ones. [12:48] <mpmc> yes... I know [12:48] <eth42> mpmc: but that's a bit offline, I agree [12:49] <firemanworld> no, because it also gives me the same error when i try to install some sound packages [12:49] <Razor-X> *gasp* [12:49] <firemanworld> whenever I try to install some packages, like for example j2sdk1.4m it complains that requires libc6(>=2.3.2.ds1-21), but it also sais that 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is going to be installed [12:49] <cafuego> firemanworld: Then you have a fairly broken sources.list with non-ubuntu repositories. [12:49] <firemanworld> aha [12:49] <firemanworld> ok i will check [12:49] <cafuego> firemanworld: Mixing pckages is a bad idea at best and will destroy the system at worst. [12:49] <firemanworld> let me a few minutes [12:49] <holycow> one, does your friends wifi card work on it? or is he using ndis wrapper? [12:49] <Razor-X> firemanworld: I have a 62 line sources.list, and it hasn't broken a thing [12:49] <eth42> firemanworld: that's because it's not from Ubuntu but from Debian [12:50] <firemanworld> maybe I should write my sources.list here [12:50] <firemanworld> ?? [12:50] <kemik> use the paste url [12:50] <Razor-X> firemanworld: no! [12:50] <cafuego> firemanworld: No, use the pastebot. [12:50] <cafuego> !paste [12:50] <ubotu> methinks paste is ""http://ubuntu.pastebin.com http://pastebin.com or #flood here on freenode."" [12:50] <Razor-X> don't paste anything in this channel [12:50] <uber_newber> basti: is video resolution and screen resolution the same thing? [12:50] <kemik> people never reads topic :( [12:50] <firemanworld> I don't know what you mean [12:50] <eth42> cafuego: what's a pastebot= [12:50] <Razor-X> kemik: of course not [12:50] <Last_in_Line> I'm sure my problem is in php.ini but its not writable & I don't own it to change permissions [12:50] <Razor-X> because most IRC clients display it in inconvenient places [12:50] <restrex> anyone have the xbase-clients 6.8.2-35 package to share? Thanks. [12:50] <cafuego> eth42: A website you can paste stuff on. [12:50] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me adjust my screen resolution, it wont let me change it from the size 640x480, it doesnt give and option of anyother size than that. shouldt i b able to adjust it sumhow [12:50] <Razor-X> Last_in_Line: edit it with ``sudo'' [12:51] <firemanworld> ok [12:51] <cafuego> !info xbase-clients hoary [12:51] <ubotu> xbase-clients: (miscellaneous X clients), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2-10 (hoary), Packaged size: 1674 kB, Installed size: 4628 kB [12:51] <eth42> Last_in_Line: huh? but on Ubuntu you can own it?? [12:51] <Razor-X> uber_newber: sum1? 1+ what? ;) [12:51] <uber_newber> lol [12:51] <Razor-X> !tell uber_newber about resolution [12:51] <holycow> uber_newber, you need to add the proper horizontal and vertical refresh rates for your monitor model and make manually [12:51] <Last_in_Line> type sudo php.ini in the console? [12:51] <holycow> uber_newber, check back of moni, if the info is not there, you need to google it [12:51] <kemik> !resolution [12:51] <ubotu> rumour has it, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto [12:51] <firemanworld> i'm going to check my source.list, i will be back in a moment [12:51] <eth42> cafuego: so some service provided by someone, or just my personal webpage? [12:51] <Razor-X> kemik: I already got it ;) [12:52] <cafuego> eth42: Some service provided by someone. [12:52] <flogiston> Is it possible to get transparacy in gnome menus? [12:52] <kemik> Razor-X: yeah, just wanted to see ubotu's answer ;) [12:52] <Razor-X> kemik: haha, ok [12:52] <holycow> then chance the /etc/x11/xorg.conf file to have same refresh rates [12:52] <desrt> . [12:52] <eth42> Last_in_Line: sudo chmod <permissions-you-want> php.ini [12:52] <uber_newber> Razor-X: is video resolution the same as screen resolution? [12:52] <holycow> and restart x server, you can just logout and log backin for that [12:52] <Razor-X> uber_newber: in this case, yes [12:52] <uber_newber> k [12:52] <cafuego> uber_newber: Not normally, but let's just say yes :-) [12:52] <eth42> Last_in_Line: or just sudo vi php.ini to edit it (not emacs; emacs is evil!) :-) [12:52] <restrex> cafuego ? fucking n00b? :-) [12:52] <Razor-X> although, screen resolution can be a bit misleading if you're tying it with GNU screen [12:53] <uber_newber> allrighty [12:53] <Razor-X> what's the command you put in .screenrc to change the default screen character from C-a+ [12:53] <Razor-X> s/+/? [12:53] <cafuego> restrex: You installed breezy despite allw arnings that it was broken, didn't you? [12:53] <Razor-X> / [12:53] <eth42> flogiston: I guess transparencies don't fit Gnome's understanding of usability [12:53] <Razor-X> eth42: too bad ;) [12:53] <Sado-Mazo> Where to find "Use anti-aliasing" function in gnome? [12:53] <Razor-X> E is really nice, based on Gnome, and small [12:53] <cafuego> Sado-Mazo: In the font perferences [12:54] <Razor-X> people need to make a QT basde mini-WM [12:54] <flogiston> eth42, To bad [12:54] <firemanworld> ok, i pasted it, now what?? [12:54] <cafuego> Razor-X: Haha. Qt and mini? [12:54] <restrex> cafuego nah, I'm only searching for fuckers, dude :-) [12:54] <Razor-X> firemanworld: now we read it [12:54] <Sado-Mazo> there is no this function in preferences [12:54] <firemanworld> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/322971 [12:54] <firemanworld> that's the place [12:54] <Razor-X> cafuego: QT is just as large as GTK [12:54] <Razor-X> KDE may be larger than Gnome, that's different [12:54] <cafuego> Razor-X: SO neither is mini ;-) [12:54] <cafuego> Razor-X: See '9wm' <heh> [12:54] <cafuego> !info 9wm [12:54] <ubotu> 9wm: (emulation of the Plan 9 window manager 8-1/2), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2-6 (hoary), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 108 kB [12:55] <cafuego> Razor-X: a 108Kb (inc docs) wm! [12:55] <Razor-X> !info twm [12:55] <ubotu> twm: (Tab window manager), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2-10 (hoary), Packaged size: 263 kB, Installed size: 628 kB [12:55] <Razor-X> o_O [12:55] <Razor-X> wow! fscking crazy! [12:55] <Sado-Mazo> cafuego: there is no this function in preferences [12:55] <cafuego> firemanworld: Comment out the marillar lines [12:55] <Razor-X> !info ratpoison [12:55] <ubotu> ratpoison: (Simple window manager with no fat library dependencies.), section universe/x11, is extra. Version: 1.2.1 (hoary), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 228 kB [12:55] <firemanworld> ok [12:56] <firemanworld> but they are actually commented [12:56] <Razor-X> oh wow, 9wm looks like crap ;) [12:56] <McScruff> i mounted an iso into a folder, unmounted it but the files stayed in there and i cant delete them [12:56] <cafuego> firemanworld: d'oh :-) [12:56] <soultaker> hello can any one help me [12:56] <firemanworld> :) [12:56] <eth42> McScruff: strange; what does mount say? [12:56] <soultaker> i just made a mess wiht the menu bars there is no command to put it back in is place [12:57] <puff> hm, following ubuntugiude.org, I edited apt-sources to uncomment the commented-out sources and include the multiverse. [12:57] <Razor-X> !guide [12:57] <ubotu> Razor-X: Wish i knew [12:57] <gometro33> what is the default root password? [12:57] <firemanworld> yeah, I did, but then it fails [12:57] <Razor-X> !ubuntuguide [12:57] <ubotu> rumour has it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why. [12:57] <eth42> gometro33: huh? there is none [12:57] <cafuego> firemanworld: In that case, you'll need to go to java.sun.com and download the j2se_1.5.04-*.bin (whatever the latest version is) - NOT the .bin.rpm, but the .bin. [12:57] <gometro33> then how do i login with root? [12:58] <gometro33> eth42^^^ [12:58] <cafuego> firemanworld: Also install 'java-package'. [12:58] <Razor-X> so yeah, what's the command in .screenrc to change the default escape character? [12:58] <Razor-X> !sudo [12:58] <ubotu> I guess sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [12:58] <eth42> gometro33: there is per default no root account (see Wiki) [12:58] <firemanworld> ok [12:58] <Razor-X> eth42: learn your ubotuwords ;) [12:58] <firemanworld> i will do, be back in a sec [12:58] <eth42> gometro33: you can activate it by executing passwd root [12:58] <Razor-X> or you can just use sudo -s [12:58] <Sado-Mazo> Which fonts package have tahom fonts??? [12:58] <puff> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/795 [12:58] <gometro33> eth42: ok [12:58] <cafuego> Sado-Mazo: msttcorefonts [12:58] <eth42> Razor-X: huh? [12:58] <soultaker> i just made a mess wiht the menu bars there is no command to put it back in is place can anyone help ,me [12:59] <Razor-X> eth42: sudo -s is the command to bring up a root shell [12:59] <Sado-Mazo> cafuego: i doesnt [12:59] <elsha> hmmm :/ [12:59] <eth42> gometro33: you can also just sudo bash [12:59] <ray_> hallo [12:59] <cafuego> !find Tahoma [12:59] <eth42> Razor-X: ok [12:59] <hajiki> tahoma is not free, not part of the package [12:59] <Cody> How do I take my Ubuntu out of 640 X 480? [12:59] <ray_> I HAVE MY VOICE BACK!!!!!!!!!!! [12:59] <Sado-Mazo> !find Tahoma [12:59] <cafuego> The other's aren't free either. [12:59] <elsha> i thought this kernel supported NTFS partitions :/ [12:59] <gometro33> eth42: when I try to open some files it says I'm not the owner [12:59] <ray_> thank you guys i will not be rude again [12:59] <Razor-X> !info tahoma [12:59] <Razor-X> elsha: not writing [01:00] <eth42> gometro33: just prefix your command with sudo, enter your personal passwd, and your done [01:00] <Razor-X> writing isn't fully supported quite yet [01:00] <cafuego> Sado-Mazo: You can always copy Tahoma*.ttf off Windows and put them in ~/.fonts/ [01:00] <puff> hm, so what am i doing wrong in my sourceS? [01:00] <Kovecses> Seveas, are you the one that controls if i can talk? [01:00] <Razor-X> hmmmm, I don't really use BASH anymore ;) [01:00] <gometro33> eth42: what about when i'm using nautalis? [01:00] <elsha> can't partition in ntfs either it appears [01:00] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'Tahoma' returned no results. [01:00] <elsha> guess i should do that in windows setup [01:00] <eth42> gometro33: hehe [01:00] <Cody> NEED HELP WITH RESOLUTION!!! [01:00] <puff> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/795 [01:00] <weilawei> Cody, you need to be quieter. Some of us are old and fragile. [01:01] <Kovecses> Seveas, well if you are i am sorry..... [01:01] <Razor-X> !tell Cody about resolution [01:01] <gometro33> eth42: huh? [01:01] <puff> Hm. [01:01] <Kovecses> Cody, whats up? [01:01] <Razor-X> Cody: why the shout and the three exclamation points? [01:01] <eth42> gometro33: I don't know. [01:01] <russ_> HEY WHATSUP [01:01] <eth42> :-) [01:01] <gometro33> um ok [01:01] <Razor-X> this isn't ``OMG HEEEEEL MEEEEE WTF?!?!1111'' land [01:01] <Kovecses> Cody, whats your problem with resolution [01:01] <russ_> im new here [01:01] <puff> somebody needs to make an IRC server that filters out lines with all-caps and too many exclamation pints. [01:01] <eth42> gometro33: good question, though :-) [01:01] <russ_> i just installed ubuntu on my firends compuiter [01:01] <Razor-X> ;) [01:01] <russ_> cuz win 98 was giving us a headahce [01:01] <eth42> gometro33: and an obvious question as well [01:02] <puff> Anybody able to give me a hand with apt-sources? [01:02] <Razor-X> puff: then a whole bunch of AOLers would have to commit seppuke [01:02] <elsha> what partition type does the ubuntu OS files need? seems to be a lot of choices :( [01:02] <one> win 98 is archaic lol [01:02] <Razor-X> s/seppuke/seppuku/ [01:02] <russ_> looks like she didnt mount my friends hard drive [01:02] <IIIEars> Hi Cody - Ubuntu wants to be extra careful with your hardware and believes you know best what it is capable of. - you can use lspci to get system information and the use sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg - there is more info here [01:02] <kgnally> hi everyone [01:02] <eth42> gometro33: perhaps execute in a Terminal: sudo nautilus [01:02] <Razor-X> s/seppuku/sepuku/ [01:02] <gometro33> eth42: i can't tell if you really don't know or if you're just making fun of me for being a noob... [01:02] <IIIEars> !resolution [01:02] <ubotu> well, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto [01:02] <Razor-X> AOLers thrive on more than one exclamation mark, annoying shortenings, and caps [01:02] <eth42> gometro33: I almost always work with Terminal, so.... [01:02] <cafuego> !!R34LLY? [01:02] <ubotu> cafuego: I don't know [01:02] <gometro33> eth42: ok, thanks for help [01:03] <cafuego> bah, spoilsport bot [01:03] <Razor-X> one: as someone on TWiT said ``It [Windows 98] is so old that hackers don't target it'' [01:03] <ubuntu> hi [01:03] <Kovecses> eth42, hello [01:03] <kgnally> I'd like to heave a big ol' THANK YOU in the direction of the people on this channel who poined me to the Unbuntu ATI binary installation instructions! It seems to have worked flawlessly. [01:03] <eth42> Kovecses: huh? [01:03] <one> lol [01:03] <elsha> damn, the sun is just coming up, all the birds are coming out and making a racket [01:03] <Kovecses> eth42, sorry......mistake [01:03] <Cody> uhhhh.... [01:03] <eth42> Kovecses: hah! [01:03] <kgnally> One question: Where/how do I check the disk space available in Unbuntu while in X? [01:03] <cafuego> Razor-X: That's true. it just happens to have all the same holes as the rest of windows, which DOES get targeted ;-) [01:03] <Razor-X> kgnally: you can always open up a Terminal and type ``df'' [01:04] <eth42> elsha: according to the fine weather app, there's night outside [01:04] <kgnally> Razor-X, good God, why did I not know that [01:04] <cafuego> Night? It's 9am dude [01:04] <firemanworld> ok. I fixed my sources.list, multiverse is working now, but I cant find j2sdk [01:04] <Razor-X> cafuego: here it's 4 PM [01:04] <weilawei> Does anyone know about taking the Ubuntu LiveCD and making a LiveUSB stick out of it? [01:04] <firemanworld> anyway don't mind, i will download it from sus [01:04] <firemanworld> sun [01:04] <eth42> kgnally: what do you mean: while in X? [01:04] <Kovecses> kgnally, applications>system tools>system monitor [01:04] <puff> firemanworld: What was the problem? Maybe i have the same problem. [01:04] <Razor-X> weilawei: for your purposes, Flonix would be nice [01:04] <soultaker> go it [01:04] <soultaker> hehehe [01:04] <firemanworld> but I have more questions... what is the difference between the multiverse and the universe repository?? [01:05] <kgnally> eth42, never mind, I was loking for a util and got a perfectly usable command prompt command instead [01:05] <soultaker> thanks guys [01:05] <Razor-X> but, you can always try using debootstrap and doing something [01:05] <cafuego> firemanworld: That way yopu'll get the latest. Once downloaded, you can run 'make-jpkg j2dsk.....bin', which will create a .deb for you. [01:05] <l-i-l> I tried sudo v php.ini & its still read only <---Last_in_Line back after dialup disconnect. [01:05] <firemanworld> puff - some problem with libc6, but I don't know how to fix it! [01:05] <firemanworld> ok, thanks cafuego [01:05] <Razor-X> s/and doing/and try doing/ [01:05] <puff> Ah, drat. [01:05] <Cody> Does anyone know the Resoloution link? [01:05] <russ_> hey how would i mount my hard drive? [01:05] <apollo2011> When my laptop isn't in the base station, it boots, but goes to a blank screen when it should be loading X. Otherwise, it loads fine when it is docked. [01:05] <weilawei> Razor-X, thanks I'll check it out [01:05] <puff> Anybody know what I have to do to enable hibernate/suspend-to-ram on a thinkpad? [01:05] <eth42> kgnally: doesn't Nautilus also do the job (statusbar) [01:05] <elsha> eth42, not in western australia it's not :P [01:05] <Kovecses> kgnally, applications>system tools>system monitor [01:05] <cafuego> puff: firemanworld had a debian j2sdk deb, which has unsatisfied depends on ubuntu. [01:05] <Cody> Resolution Problems! [01:06] <eth42> elsha: wow, australia... [01:06] <uber_newber> same here cody [01:06] <puff> cafuego: Ah... I need to install the jdk (and tomcat, and mysql) soon too, but right now... [01:06] <elsha> 7am [01:06] <Sado-Mazo> !find Tahoma [01:06] <puff> I'm actually trying to keep a journal of all this, might be useful for somebody else. [01:06] <kgnally> thank you Kovecses , that was EXACTLY what I was looking for [01:06] <hajiki> !ati [01:06] <ubotu> ati is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto [01:06] <Razor-X> eth42: why suggest a GUI app? [01:06] <uber_newber> cody: are u trying to adjust yur screen resolution size? [01:06] <Razor-X> ;) [01:06] <Kovecses> kgnally, no prob [01:06] <cafuego> Wait Awhile [01:06] <l-i-l> I take it I need root access & it gave me no option to set root password [01:06] <Cody> yes [01:06] <firemanworld> uumm i will tell you if i find anything puff [01:06] <elsha> up all night trying to get this installed and here i am stuck on what type of partition i need :P [01:06] <Razor-X> a CLI app uses way less RAM [01:06] <eth42> elsha: I see, birds singing, newspaper brought, some coffee, etc. [01:06] <eth42> fine [01:06] <weilawei> Razor-X, I don't even need to trim it down.. it's a 1 GB usb stick. I figured I could fit a full LiveCD type distro on it comfortably. [01:06] <russ__> howdy [01:07] <Razor-X> most of the time, anyways [01:07] <uber_newber> cody: same here, lemme know if ya have any luck [01:07] <terrex> hi friends, i've just upgraded from yesterday to today (libx11-6, gnome-control-center,..) and when i login, the splash screen freezes and neither nautilus nor gnome-panel load. So i must to select from GDM "failsafe xterm" and then starts metacity & gnome-panel manually. Also gnomemeeting and gaim don't want to start. Anybody can confirm this? [01:07] <Cody> uber_newber:Yeah [01:07] <Kovecses> russ__, hey [01:07] <eth42> Razor-X: think different [01:07] <Razor-X> weilawei: well, you'll have to play around with it, but if you have the time, go for it [01:07] <elsha> in eastern states cafuego? [01:07] <eth42> Razor-X: erm [01:07] <Razor-X> eth42: hmmmm? [01:07] <ubuntu> hello [01:07] <eth42> Razor-X: well [01:07] <LordSur0> hi, speak spanish?? [01:07] <cafuego> elsha: yeash, west melbourne [01:07] <russ__> first time using ubuntu :D [01:07] <uber_newber> Cody: thanx [01:07] <Razor-X> LordSur0: #ubuntu-es [01:07] <russ__> its good [01:07] <Cody> bye! [01:07] <elsha> cool cool [01:07] <Kovecses> russ__, youlike it [01:07] <xeiro> help! I have a ethernet card that shows up when I do lspci ... and DCHP is running on my network... but ubuntu does not pic up an up [01:07] <uber_newber> c ya [01:07] <xeiro> ip [01:07] <LordSur0> thanks [01:07] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'Tahoma' returned no results. [01:07] <russ__> yeah so far! [01:07] <firemanworld> does anybody know what the difference between the multiverse and the universe repository is?? [01:07] <eth42> Razor-X: Nautilus has nice icons for PDFs, unlike terminal [01:07] <russ_> how do i mount a fat32 partition? [01:07] <Kovecses> russ__, ave you used linux before? [01:07] <cafuego> elsha: Not just cool. Plain COLD, in fact ;-) [01:08] <Razor-X> eth42: so? ;) [01:08] <russ__> yeah, but not for desktop [01:08] <russ__> just for my server [01:08] <Razor-X> I don't really care about icons, meh [01:08] <Kovecses> russ__, sweet [01:08] <russ__> do you know of a good dreamweaver equivelent? [01:08] <Kovecses> i still dont have any icons on the desktop.....i like it bare [01:08] <eth42> Razor-X: I shouldn't use terminal anymore, and not recommend vi, <grumble> [01:08] <Razor-X> I use GUI for web browsing (I may try and use in Terminal graphics programs) PDF viewers, and DVI viewers [01:09] <cafuego> russ__: There isn't really one. Maybe try 'bluefish' or 'nvu'. [01:09] <Kovecses> vi is confusing [01:09] <eth42> Razor-X: you should try links for browsing, it's cool [01:09] <russ__> lol [01:09] <Razor-X> Kovecses: hahahahahaha! [01:09] <Sado-Mazo> how to turn on anti-aliasing in gnome? [01:09] <eth42> Kovecses: but once you mastered it, you are master of the universe [01:09] <puff> Ah, found the power management: http://www.tuxme.com/node/544 [01:09] <Razor-X> eth42: I have TwiBright Labs Links2 custom compiled ;) [01:09] <xeiro> no hardware expert here :( ? [01:09] <Razor-X> vim is ok [01:09] <Razor-X> emacs is much better [01:09] <russ__> pico is nicer :D [01:09] <xeiro> boooo emacs [01:09] <Kovecses> Razor-X, i have no reason to use it much to learn it [01:09] <Razor-X> russ__: pico has like 5 commands ;) [01:09] <russ__> lol [01:09] <russ__> yeah [01:09] <Razor-X> Kovecses: I had no pressing reason eihter [01:09] <Kovecses> Razor-X, no need to laugh [01:10] <Razor-X> s/eihter/either/ [01:10] <russ__> exactly!! :D [01:10] <xeiro> pico = simple editor [01:10] <elsha> is anyone able to explain to me what the different types of partitioning are? [01:10] <cafuego> emacs is emacs and thus not better then anything (including Windows 3.11 for Workgroups) [01:10] <Razor-X> but, my productivity has gone up [01:10] <eth42> Razor-X: hehe [01:10] <cafuego> xeiro: that would be 'nano' on ubuntu [01:10] <Kovecses> yes nano i like [01:10] <elsha> man, i hate emacs. [01:10] <xeiro> nano? [01:10] <russ_> sorry i missed your answers [01:10] <Razor-X> vi... what an editor ;) [01:10] <xeiro> thats an editor? [01:10] <Kovecses> nano is what i use to edit sources.list [01:10] <Razor-X> damned modes [01:10] <russ_> what is bluefish for? [01:10] <xeiro> I like vi [01:10] <eth42> pico is to complicated [01:10] <russ_> or nvu [01:10] <xeiro> I used to use emcas [01:10] <apokryphos> vi/vim are better :P [01:10] <Kovecses> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list [01:11] <russ_> i just need to set it up [01:11] <Razor-X> xeiro: I used to use vi [01:11] <cafuego> xeiro: Yes, nano is like pico, because the pico licence doesn't allow for modified binary distribution. [01:11] <Bytor> hello all [01:11] <russ_> i am taking the ferry soon [01:11] <Razor-X> I switched to emacs [01:11] <russ__> laters! [01:11] <l-i-l> How do I break the read only setting on php.ini? [01:11] <Razor-X> and no, I hate vi binds [01:11] <Razor-X> these people must have been smoking QWERTY *shrugs* [01:11] <elsha> :( [01:11] <russ_> hey [01:11] <Razor-X> Kate's nice [01:11] <Razor-X> for a GUI editor [01:11] <russ_> i need to mount his windows partition [01:11] <cafuego> No, BBEdit is nice for a GUI editor. [01:12] <eth42> Razor-X: huh? qwertz please [01:12] <Kovecses> i do HTML with bluefish [01:12] <xeiro> cafuego: roger on that pic [01:12] <russ_> what is nvu or bluefish [01:12] <uber_newber> Razor-X: is video resolution the same as screen resolution? [01:12] <Razor-X> eth42: still QWERTY based [01:12] <Razor-X> uber_newber: yeah [01:12] <uber_newber> k [01:12] <cafuego> russ_: nvu is a wysiwyg htmle ditor, bluefish is an editor. [01:12] <xeiro> htmle :) ? [01:12] <russ_> i need to mount a hard drive how will that help? [01:12] <cafuego> xeiro: htmle ditor [01:12] <apokryphos> bluefish isn't a wysiwyg editor? [01:12] <russ_> mount /? [01:12] <cafuego> apokryphos: no [01:13] <Kovecses> i think he means html editor [01:13] <eth42> russ_: what's the problem? [01:13] <russ_> i only have 2 hours to do this [01:13] <xeiro> there is such a language? [01:13] <xeiro> :) ? [01:13] <apokryphos> cafuego: I couldn't count the amount of people I've heard suggest that when someone asks for a w-editor [01:13] <russ_> i finally got it installed [01:13] <eth42> russ_: 2 hours to mount a harddisk should suffice :-) [01:13] <russ_> their computer was being a bitch [01:13] <Razor-X> apokryphos: it's one of the best, I hear [01:13] <russ_> i cant even get the video card working on win 98 [01:13] <eth42> russ_: what's your prob? [01:13] <xeiro> or maybe its htmale :) [01:13] <apokryphos> russ_: comparable to Quanta? [01:13] <cafuego> apokryphos: maybe the latest revision is, but none of the ones I've ever used showed anything but source. [01:13] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me adjust my screen resolution, it wont let me change it from the size 640x480, it doesnt give and option of anyother size than that. shouldt i b able to adjust it sumhow [01:13] <Razor-X> eth42: pshhh, that's conservative ;) [01:13] <russ_> its the windows fat 32 partition i need [01:13] <russ_> what is quanta? [01:14] <xeiro> quanta = yuck [01:14] <apokryphos> xeiro: are you serious? [01:14] <Kovecses> uber_newber, what kind of computer do you have [01:14] <Razor-X> I better stop blaming AOLers for AOLSpeak, and instead blame QWERTY, the root of the cause ;) [01:14] <uber_newber> toshiba tecra 8000 [01:14] <russ_> terminal wont let me cd.. [01:14] <uber_newber> t processor [01:14] <Razor-X> russ_: what's the error? [01:14] <Kovecses> uber_newber, video? [01:14] <xeiro> apokryphos: ok wait ... was thinking of something else [01:14] <uber_newber> i dunno, sorry :( [01:14] <doudou> hi everybody [01:14] <xeiro> lol ... quanta = yaay [01:14] <apokryphos> =) [01:14] <eth42> russ_: so? sudo fdisk -l will tell you which device it is, and than you mount <device> <mountpoint> [01:14] <doudou> is somebody help me? [01:15] <elsha> should i be making my main partition ext3 journalling file system? [01:15] <doudou> i wam [01:15] <Kovecses> uber_newber, do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select the resolution you want to use [01:15] <Razor-X> elsha: that depends on your needs really [01:15] <funkyHat> russ_, do you want it to automatically mount at startup? or just mount it now? [01:15] <uber_newber> k [01:15] <xeiro> how long have you guys been using ubuntu? [01:15] <Razor-X> ext3 is a nice, all-rounded fs, but there are better ones [01:15] <russ_> yes [01:15] <eth42> doudou: what's the prob? [01:15] <russ_> it needs to mount at startup [01:15] <apokryphos> aha [01:15] <apokryphos> !quanta [01:15] <ubotu> rumour has it, quanta is at http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/ Quanta Plus is a highly stable and feature-rich KDE-based web development environment. [01:15] <elsha> razor, what are the better ones? [01:15] <funkyHat> ok, you need to edit /etc/fstab [01:15] <othernoob> elsha: reiser4 is better [01:15] <Kovecses> xeiro, like two months....but debian for like three years before [01:15] <russ_> so i should type in sudo fdisk? [01:16] <Razor-X> elsha: look at XFS, and ReiserFS (current version Reiser4) [01:16] <doudou> i want to download a theme on www.gnome-look.org but i can't [01:16] <russ_> when i type cd.. in terminal it doesnt let me go back a folder [01:16] <russ_> directory [01:16] <russ_> ehem [01:16] <xeiro> Kovecses: cool [01:16] <Razor-X> russ_: ``cd ..'' [01:16] <othernoob> russ_: cd .. [01:16] <russ_> root@S010600105a9e1971:/home/russ # cd.. [01:16] <russ_> bash: cd..: command not found [01:16] <Kovecses> doudou, right click the link and save as [01:16] <elsha> all im going to be using the partition for is for program/system files. im going to be keeping all my data on a seperate partition [01:16] <xeiro> Kovecses: I just started today [01:16] <russ_> thats nuts [01:16] <russ_> :) [01:16] <Kovecses> russ_, cd .. [01:16] <Razor-X> you have to put a space between a program and it's arguments/parameters [01:16] <othernoob> russ_: cd .. not cd.. [01:16] <doudou> only do this? [01:16] <xeiro> Been using mandrake for years though [01:16] <russ_> i use mandrake [01:16] <Kovecses> russ_, whith a space [01:16] <eth42> russ_: just put a line with the device into /etc/fstab [01:16] <xeiro> its a whole lot different [01:16] <Razor-X> elsha: but do you need speed, will you have lots of small files? etc. [01:17] <russ_> how do i find the address of the device/hard drive? [01:17] <russ_> hda/ ? [01:17] <eth42> xeiro: me too, switched 4 days ago to Ubuntu [01:17] <funkyHat> you need to add a line, which will probably be /dev/hda1 /mnt/c vfat defaults 0 0 [01:17] <HrdwrBoB> sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda should help [01:17] <Razor-X> russ_: sudo fdisk -l [01:17] <xeiro> so russ_ ... how do you like mandrake ? :) [01:17] <Kovecses> eth42, what did you use before? [01:17] <russ_> mandrake is cool [01:17] <eth42> Kovecses: Mandrake 10.1 [01:17] <Razor-X> xeiro: that's an evil question man ;) [01:17] <xeiro> Razor-X: :) [01:17] <elsha> Razor-X, space shouldnt be a big issue.. so reiserfs would be the best way to go? [01:17] <doudou> right click and save link as? [01:18] <russ_> its /dev/hda1 [01:18] <eth42> Mandrake setup tools are not Gnome-HIG compliant, I'd say [01:18] <Kovecses> Mandrake looks like a childs operating system [01:18] <eth42> Kovecses: and Ubuntu? [01:18] <russ_> and /dev/hdb1 [01:18] <xeiro> speaking of reiserfs .... I've always wondered about defraggin on linux [01:18] <Razor-X> elsha: XFS has real good performance, but ReiserFS works best with a lot of small files [01:18] <xeiro> Kovecses: a child OS eh :) [01:18] <Razor-X> xeiro: you never need to [01:18] <russ_> mandrake runs on gnome and kde [01:18] <Razor-X> most of the FSs that Linux uses don't fragment easily [01:18] <elsha> okies, thanks :) [01:18] <spudse> which pcmia wifi card is known to work with ubuntu ? [01:18] <apokryphos> Mandriva is still pretty decent. The idea that it's "only for n00bs" is seriously unwarranted; some seriously knowledgable users there [01:18] <xeiro> Razor-X: how come? [01:19] <eth42> russ_: but gnome is always too old [01:19] <xeiro> whats the logics behind not needing to [01:19] <xeiro> ? [01:19] <funkyHat> russ_, ( look up ^ ) and replace /mnt/c with wherever you want to mount the partition [01:19] <Razor-X> and the minor fragmentation is easily curbed by a periodic fsck (when your periodic tune2fs starts) [01:19] <Razor-X> xeiro: that's just the way it is [01:19] <Razor-X> I obviously don't know the code behind the FSs, else I think i'ld have a nice certification [01:19] <Razor-X> ;) [01:19] <xeiro> Razor-X: I see ... so its all in the filesystem eh [01:19] <eth42> apokryphos: I think it's not bad but still I had some problems, and nobody cared about the bug reports in bugzilla.... [01:19] <russ_> root@S010600105a9e1971:/etc # cd fstab [01:19] <russ_> bash: cd: fstab: Not a directory [01:20] <Razor-X> xeiro: pretty much [01:20] <elsha> so, i'd be correct in saying that the default kernel in ubuntu can read ntfs, but can not write? [01:20] <russ_> should i edit fstab with a text editor? [01:20] <Razor-X> russ_: fstab isn't a directory ;) [01:20] <Razor-X> elsha: correcto ;) [01:20] <apokryphos> eth42: bugzilla with ubuntu's actually been useless so far (for me), as has the forum. Only place I've really got help is this channel [01:20] <eth42> russ_: sudo gedit fstab [01:20] <Razor-X> russ_: /etc/fstab is a file [01:20] <funkyHat> russ_, you will also need to sudo mkdir /mnt/c, and change permissions/ownerships if you want them to be different to defaults [01:20] <elsha> gah, i dont know if having 80gb of fat32 is such a good idea :/ [01:20] <Razor-X> elsha: ewww! [01:21] <xeiro> well I still need to find a way to get my onboard ethernet card to pick up :( [01:21] <Razor-X> both HFS and NTFS are nice filesystems [01:21] <russ_> ok im in [01:21] <eth42> apokryphos: ok ........... so let's create a new, error-free distro [01:21] <xeiro> sigh [01:21] <Kovecses> i said LOOKS LIKE .....im new to linux to im not saying mandrake IS...i just dont like how it looks [01:21] <apokryphos> eth42: this includes MOTU's bug system (gah, I always forget the name) [01:21] <russ_> ok slow down [01:21] <Razor-X> but FAT based filesystems are behind the times for anything except small capacity devices [01:21] <russ_> one thing at a time [01:21] <apokryphos> eth42: cool! I'll handle the finances and make the t-shirts. [01:21] <othernoob> Razor-X: NTFS == nice FS ???? are you on drugs? [01:21] <funkyHat> russ_, sorry :) [01:21] <xeiro> Razor-X: lol .. fat based .. eck [01:21] <eth42> apokryphos: MOTU? [01:21] <eth42> apokryphos: I'll handle finance, you make the coffee [01:21] <eth42> apokryphos: :-) [01:21] <Razor-X> othernoob: compared to the world of FSs, if implemented correctly, NTFS has really nice features [01:21] <HrdwrBoB> othernoob: actually it's not too bad [01:21] <elsha> Razor-X, what would be another option that is write for both ubuntu and winxp? [01:21] <HrdwrBoB> elsha: pretty much fat32 is it [01:22] <apokryphos> eth42: Masters of the Universe [01:22] <Razor-X> elsha: ahh.... you got me there ;) [01:22] <elsha> :( [01:22] <eth42> apokryphos: that's it! [01:22] <Razor-X> you can get utilities that let you write to partitions though [01:22] <apokryphos> eth42: i.e. those handling all things in Universe/Multiverse [01:22] <eth42> apokryphos: :-) [01:22] <adam_> Hey how is everyone doing [01:22] <Razor-X> I myself use a utility to access ReiserFS in my Windows partition [01:22] <elsha> possible to get a kernel that will write to ntfs in ubuntu? [01:22] <russ_> ok i added /dev/hda1 /mnt/Drive1 [01:22] <russ_> /dev/hdb1 /mnt/Drive2 [01:22] <russ_> now how do i make the new directories? [01:23] <crimsun> apokryphos: Malone. [01:23] <Razor-X> elsha: you'll have to compile it yourself [01:23] <Razor-X> which is a shitload of hastle [01:23] <apokryphos> crimsun: that's it, thanks. [01:23] <Razor-X> at least, I think so [01:23] <funkyHat> Razor-X, with the ntfs utilities packages installed, is it safe to simply set ntfs partitions as rw? or do i need to set up run those utilities too? [01:23] <cs378> ahhhhhhhhhhh [01:23] <mpmc> russ_: use mkdir [01:23] <russ_> how do i get it to make the directories each startup [01:23] <elsha> MmMmmmmm [01:23] <cs378> i cant take it anymoreeeeee [01:23] <russ_> though [01:23] <cs378> im movin to windwos [01:23] <adam_> I was wondering if someone could walk me through fixing a small problem? [01:23] <eth42> russ_: mkdir <dir>; I'd advice you to read the basics chapter of RUTE [01:23] <funkyHat> russ_, what else have you put on the line with /dev/hda1 /mnt/Drive1 ? [01:23] <apokryphos> adam_: not without you mentioning it [01:23] <Kovecses> cs378, whats the problem [01:23] <mpmc> russ_ it will use the same dirs [01:23] <xeiro> cs378: what cantu take? [01:23] <russ_> nothing else [01:23] <Razor-X> cs378: don't do that, if you really need sugarcoating, try Macintosh ;) [01:24] <eth42> cs378: you're doomed!!! DOOOMMED [01:24] <cs378> lol [01:24] <Razor-X> Windows is notoriously unsafe, and if Linux isn't for you, then you should try Mac [01:24] <xeiro> eth42: I wouldn't say doomed [01:24] <xeiro> :) [01:24] <russ_> ok i made them [01:24] <cs378> ill try linuxagain tomo, things just never installs [01:24] <adam_> I accidentally deleted my top panel on Gnome desktop ubuntu 5.04 [01:24] <eth42> cs378: wrecked? [01:24] <russ_> now how do i set permissions [01:24] <apokryphos> cs378: like what? [01:24] <cs378> like gaim [01:24] <xeiro> windows is easy configuring :D [01:24] <Razor-X> russ_: chmod +r is add read, +x is add execute, and +w is add write [01:24] <funkyHat> russ_, you need to specify the type (vfat), and other options, and put two 0s at the end of the line (follow the layout of the rest of the file) [01:24] <cs378> i need gcc, cc, cl, gawk [01:24] <apokryphos> adam_: I think if you right-click on the other one you can select to add [01:24] <eth42> cs378: gaim was installed per default on my system... [01:25] <Razor-X> xeiro: but too much is handled by Windows for my good [01:25] <eth42> cs378: for gaim?? [01:25] <Razor-X> cs378: sudo apt-get install build-essentials [01:25] <xeiro> Razor-X: too much what? [01:25] <mpmc> Windoze is good for new peeps to computers.. [01:25] <apokryphos> adam_: or, in terminal killall gnome-terminal, and then alt+f2 -> gnome-terminal [01:25] <Razor-X> but, why compile gAIM? [01:25] <Kovecses> cs378, yeah gaim is a default app [01:25] <adam_> thanks [01:25] <cs378> eth42, oh [01:25] <apokryphos> adam_: these are guesses, I never use gnome myself. [01:25] <Razor-X> xeiro: I had to fix a problem in Windows [01:25] <deprave[tm] > anyone experience freeze-ups during installation at the point where primary installation repository is being set up? [01:25] <russ_> yeh i closed the file by accident [01:25] <russ_> thanks [01:25] <Kovecses> windows is the worst [01:25] <Razor-X> and the worst part of a GUI, an not Conf files, is that if the GUI thinks that an option doesen't work, it won't present it to you [01:25] <cs378> im usin kubuntu btw, they have this k thing which i don like [01:25] <mpmc> Heh, I had an old 486, with win 95 on it... I had to install windows once a day :P [01:26] <apokryphos> adam_: heh, its' late -- ignore all mentions of gnome-terminal -- it's gnome-panel [01:26] <xeiro> why everyone just hating on windoze :) [01:26] <Razor-X> conf files at least return nice errors [01:26] <xeiro> its not all that bad [01:26] <adam_> I managed to add a blank panel it's a start. [01:26] <apokryphos> cs378: what thing [01:26] <eth42> Kovecses: in a world without fences and walls, who need gates and windows [01:26] <Razor-X> xeiro: I almost tore out my hair using Windows [01:26] <apokryphos> adam_: yeah, that's it. Then just add things from there [01:26] <IIIEars> Windows is okay. - just don't connect it to the internet. - too many exploits out for it. [01:26] <Kovecses> yeah its not tooo too bad but [01:26] <apokryphos> eth42: those who want to keep the cold out [01:26] <xeiro> Razor-X: really ... hmmm ... drove u that crazy eh [01:26] <cs378> apokryphos: kopete [01:26] <Razor-X> even now, my dad's Windows partition has become riddled with Spyware/Adware/Viruses because I don't have the same vigilance to protect it as I did before I installed a permanent Linux partition [01:26] <apokryphos> cs378: what's wrong/ [01:26] <russ_> i added the 0s and the file type [01:26] <apokryphos> cs378: join #kubuntu [01:27] <adam_> I appreciate yourhelp [01:27] <Razor-X> people say that Linux drives them crazy, Windows drives me crazy [01:27] <Kovecses> i agree if you dont connect to the net windows is great [01:27] <Razor-X> cs378: or ask me [01:27] <apokryphos> adam_: no worries =) [01:27] <Razor-X> i'm a Kubuntu user ;) (or it used to be Kubuntu) [01:27] <funkyHat> russ_, put in 'defaults' under options too [01:27] <xeiro> windoze is easy for gaming :) [01:27] <deprave[tm] > so is irix [01:27] <Razor-X> I still say Mac is better than Windows in all but gaming [01:27] <funkyHat> (not the 's though) [01:27] <apokryphos> Kovecses: nah, it's still yucky, and without the Internet you have 1/3 of your progs, or less [01:27] <mpmc> Is there any other GUI'S for UB? (apart from kubuntu)? [01:27] <desrt> linux obviously causes viruses for windows users [01:27] <russ_> k done [01:27] <xeiro> Razor-X: I take it u are a linux guru then [01:27] <Razor-X> deprave[tm] : Irix can't play half the games Windows can [01:27] <IIIEars> someone here said there was three viruses on linux and those were rarely seen in the "wild" [01:27] <eth42> xeiro: there's Nibbles for Linux!!! [01:27] <Razor-X> desrt: how so [01:27] <funkyHat> russ_, now sudo mount -a should work [01:27] <desrt> if you were meant to go on the internet with anything other than windows then it would have come on your computer already, punks [01:27] <Kovecses> yeah but there still are cool games for linux.....enemy-territory....Americas army [01:27] <Razor-X> xeiro: I wouldn't call myself a guru [01:27] <deprave[tm] > Razor-X: i was being sarcastic [01:27] <apokryphos> Razor-X: still, kubuntu discussion is best in #kubuntu :P [01:27] <desrt> you're all part of the problem for people like me [01:28] <Razor-X> i'm a power-user, though [01:28] <xeiro> Nibbles ... meh [01:28] <Razor-X> deprave[tm] : hah ;) [01:28] <xeiro> I dont play much games anyways [01:28] <Razor-X> neither do I [01:28] <apokryphos> Razor-X: 20 bucks says it's the password issue [01:28] <funkyHat> (having saved to disk fstab of course) [01:28] <cs378> Razor-X: i tried apt-get install build-essentials -- says couldnt find build-essentials package :( [01:28] <mpmc> Anyone! [01:28] <russ_> mount: unknown filesystem type 'fat32 [01:28] <eth42> Kovecses: pingus! [01:28] <xeiro> just starcraft and the occasional Unreal tourny [01:28] <Razor-X> cs378: is your Kubuntu CD in? [01:28] <apokryphos> cs378: are you trying to compile it? [01:28] <Kovecses> eth42, whats that? [01:28] <funkyHat> russ_, the type is vfat, not fat32 [01:28] <Razor-X> I play UT, Cube, nethack, and tuxracer [01:28] <eth42> Kovecses: a nice Lemmings clone [01:28] <russ_> ok [01:28] <djwoodsu> hi [01:28] <Razor-X> that's about it [01:28] <cs378> Razor-X: no [01:28] <xeiro> heh .. tuxracer was cool [01:28] <eth42> Kovecses: with penguins, though... [01:28] <Razor-X> and occasionally, very occasionally ToME [01:28] <cs378> apokryphos: yes [01:28] <Kovecses> eth42, supertux is cool [01:28] <apokryphos> cs378: why? [01:29] <djwoodsu> is somebody to explain me how install a them [01:29] <eth42> Kovecses: don't know supertux [01:29] <mpmc> Eth42: lemmings where!? [01:29] <xeiro> whats the hardware tool for ubuntu? [01:29] <Razor-X> Kovecses: supertux? [01:29] <cs378> apokryphos: don i need to compile it first then install??? sry im such a newb [01:29] <Kovecses> eth42, very cool game [01:29] <Razor-X> cs378: hah! [01:29] <Octane> anyone know what package i need to install to fix this: /usr/local/apr/bin/apr-config: No such file or directory [01:29] <Kovecses> eth42, like mario [01:29] <Razor-X> we'ld be in the dark ages if we compiled everything [01:29] <eth42> mpmc: pingus; cool grpahix, and so on [01:29] <apokryphos> cs378: there's no need if it's in the repositories, no :) [01:29] <Kovecses> eth42, its in universe [01:29] <apokryphos> cs378: though if you have Kubuntu then Kopete comes with it automatically [01:29] <xeiro> I think I need to stop using windows for a year to become good at linux [01:29] <eth42> Kovecses: hehe, will try it :-) [01:29] <russ_> ok the primary partition mounted but the extended one wont! [01:29] <xeiro> :( [01:29] <Razor-X> although, I wouldn't mind trying it on my 'ol x86 in the back [01:29] <Razor-X> cs378: Kopete is best for Kubuntu [01:29] <apokryphos> cs378: seriously, join #kubuntu -- it's quieter and this is a #kubuntu issue [01:29] <Razor-X> and Kopete is _real_ nice [01:30] <Razor-X> apokryphos: not really, they use the same base [01:30] <xeiro> amsn [01:30] <IIIEars> linux works great for games - likely faster than windows. - the installation can be a little more difficult. though some games have installers included with them Unreal tournament 2004 etc. there are one click installers for many others, Cedega or Wine will mange the rest. [01:30] <Razor-X> just a different set of packages [01:30] <xeiro> yaaaay [01:30] <Kovecses> yeah #kubuntu [01:30] <apokryphos> Razor-X: errr... his question is about Kopete [01:30] <Razor-X> apokryphos: so? [01:30] <Razor-X> that's a package specific question [01:30] <eth42> hey guys, there's scummvm for playing all the old and superb Lucasarts adventures like Maniac Mansion, Monkey Island [01:30] <cs378> apokryphos: i know kipoete comes with it, i just wanna try to install one application just for fun, things just never works [01:30] <Razor-X> ;) [01:30] <apokryphos> Razor-X: since it's KDE-related it's a Kubuntu issue [01:30] <Razor-X> cs378: sudo apt-get install gaim [01:30] <IIIEars> *manage [01:30] <Razor-X> apokryphos: so if it's E related? [01:30] <elsha> mmmm lucasarts [01:30] <Razor-X> ratpoison related? [01:31] <apokryphos> Razor-X: then that's here, obviously. [01:31] <Razor-X> eth42: mmmm, Beyond a Steel Sky kicks ass [01:31] <xeiro> cant believe xmms does not come with ubuntu by defaul [01:31] <russ_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1, [01:31] <zone17> Hi, I have just gotten a Nokia c020 wlan card for my laptop, and I am trying to make it work. I have downloaded the driver linux-wlan.ng, what else do I need? I can't find any usefull information. [01:31] <apokryphos> Razor-X: an E channel doesn't exist [01:31] <deprave[tm] > sorry for repeat, but has anyone experienced freeze-ups during installation at the point where primary installation repository is being set up? [01:31] <xeiro> default [01:31] <IIIEars> !games [01:31] <ubotu> methinks games is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5153 [01:31] <Razor-X> apokryphos: exactly ;) [01:31] <djwoodsu> Razor-X: can you help me [01:31] <Kovecses> cedega you have to pay for right? [01:31] <russ_> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try [01:31] <russ_> dmesg | tail or so [01:31] <Razor-X> I don't think Kubuntu and Ubuntu should be seperated, IMO [01:31] <Razor-X> djwoodsu: what's the problem? [01:31] <IIIEars> !cedega [01:31] <ubotu> cedega is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega [01:31] <apokryphos> Razor-X: your point is ruined considering there *is* a #kubuntu channel... [01:31] <eth42> Razor-X: didn't really try it.... [01:31] <cs378> Razor-X: haha, wow, apt-get install gaim works lol, now y didnt i try that [01:31] <apokryphos> Razor-X: and an active one at that [01:31] <Razor-X> Kovecses: I _heard_ (not 100% sure) that you can compile the CVS and try it for free [01:31] <Razor-X> apokryphos: where no-one ever helps? [01:31] <Razor-X> active? [01:31] <apokryphos> Razor-X: that's rubbish [01:31] <djwoodsu> Razor-X: i want to install a theme on my computer [01:31] <Razor-X> hah [01:32] <Razor-X> it's active about 1/4 of the time [01:32] <eth42> Razor-X: they should; there enough mixed distros out there, we need a proper Gnome distro [01:32] <Razor-X> djwoodsu: you know the websites? [01:32] <Razor-X> eth42: I think we need an E distro [01:32] <Kovecses> i like gnome [01:32] <eth42> djwoodsu: what theme [01:32] <Kovecses> and xfce [01:32] <eth42> Razor-X: E like Enlightenment? [01:32] <apokryphos> Razor-X: err... you're cutting your own ground here. Clearly this channel is pretty darn active *now*... hence I'm telling him to go in the other channel which is quieter, and where the issue actually belongs [01:32] <Razor-X> yes XFce too [01:32] <Razor-X> eth42: yeahp [01:32] <russ_> funkyhat so i cant get hdb1 to mount it is an extended partition [01:32] <eth42> Razor-X: mhhh, freaks [01:32] <apokryphos> Razor-X: for questions it's irrelevant how many people are talking as you enter, evidently. [01:33] <xeiro> why is 5.04 called Hoary ? [01:33] <xeiro> heh heh [01:33] <djwoodsu> eth42: Chaotic [01:33] <funkyHat> russ_, do you mean it's a logical volume inside an extended partition? [01:33] <apokryphos> xeiro: just the name; [01:33] <crimsun> xeiro: april 2005 [01:33] <holycow> *hmmm* [01:33] <holycow> i'm going to haveto test out ubuntu some more [01:33] <Razor-X> the whole #kubuntu thing is like, every wm question belongs here *except* KDE [01:33] <russ_> i guess [01:33] <apokryphos> xeiro: anything that Mark can come up with :P [01:33] <funkyHat> russ_, or have you just created an extended partition? [01:33] <Razor-X> like I said, you people have a Kubuntu question, ask me [01:33] <Sado-Mazo> www.inferno.tinklapiai.lt/font.png why letter "k" are so "bad" :) [01:33] <holycow> it has a hard time dealing with different hardware when your taking an hd around [01:33] <IIIEars> ubotu games is also http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Loki_Installers_for_Linux_Gamers. [01:33] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay [01:33] <apokryphos> Razor-X: you're not making sense here. [01:33] <xeiro> kinda sounds like WHOREY [01:33] <holycow> my last set of sarge hd's you could plug in anywhere and go [01:33] <russ_> W95 Ext'd (LBA) [01:33] <zone17> Hi, I have just gotten a Nokia c020 wlan card for my laptop, and I am trying to make it work. I have downloaded the driver linux-wlan.ng, what else do I need? I can't find any usefull information. [01:34] <apokryphos> Razor-X: why shouldn't it be like that? The others aren't officially developed or maintained [01:34] <apokryphos> Razor-X: does enlightenment/fluxbox stuff go into MAIN? [01:34] <Razor-X> because the amount of Kubuntu users are much less [01:34] <eth42> xeiro: hehe [01:34] <holycow> uber_newber, sorry i can't answer your questions, i'm tied up, i'm hoping that by posting in here someone else can pick up where i left off [01:34] <Razor-X> and so, a lot of the time, the channel sits idle [01:34] <funkyHat> russ_, does the line exactly match the one for /dev/hda1 apart from the first two sections? [01:34] <Razor-X> elsha: after a while, you end up riding the arguments for that ;) [01:34] <apokryphos> Razor-X: exactly.. and it would be ten times mroe ideal if everyone had the idea you're proposing here [01:34] <crimsun> Razor-X: / apokryphos: sliding into #-offtopic territory [01:34] <funkyHat> russ_, *in fstab [01:34] <Razor-X> crimsun: true [01:35] <uber_newber> holycow: thats fine, Kovecses is helping me right now ;) [01:35] <holycow> cool :) [01:35] <xeiro> uber newber eh ... nice name [01:35] <elsha> man, i hope this works [01:35] <holycow> right on Kovecses [01:35] <xeiro> holy moly :) [01:35] <Razor-X> elsha: I can help with partitioning problems [01:35] <l-i-l> Does anyone know how to get passed the register globals off in php.ini to use egroupware? [01:35] <eth42> though it should be ber [01:35] <holycow> Razor-X, interesting point [01:35] <xeiro> crazy names u guys have [01:35] <holycow> mr. xeiro [01:35] <xeiro> hahahahhahaha [01:35] <eth42> h [01:36] <Razor-X> xeiro: speak for yourself, heh [01:36] <mpmc> how so I add a service to the start up? [01:36] <zone17> nobody on #ubuntu using wireless lan? [01:36] <GammaRay> I have the minimal install on a 266 box. I added X and icewm and some others. Everything is working pretty well but I just can't get good font rendering for the MS fonts. I have enabled the bytecode interperter via dpkg-reconfigure and even recompiled freetype2 (uncommenting the right #define) but nothing works. [01:36] <holycow> xeiro, anything to entertain you guys :) [01:36] <elsha> Razor-X, thanks... i'll keep that in mind if this stuffs up [01:36] <stetyR> hello [01:36] <crimsun> mpmc: man update-rc.d [01:36] <Razor-X> i've had this name for about 4 years now, around the same time I got into Linux [01:36] <xeiro> Razor-X: ... thats a cool handle [01:36] <apokryphos> crimsun: it's goiing to be a little difficult if there's going to be people in the channel telling others to *not* join #kubuntu [01:36] <AndyR> zone17, yes [01:36] <Razor-X> elsha: no problem, same with GRUB errors [01:36] <popey> zone17: yes [01:36] <xeiro> Gellette : [01:36] <Razor-X> xeiro: heh, thanks [01:36] <AndyR> hey popey :) [01:36] <popey> zone17: a nice card that just works (tm) [01:36] <Razor-X> (if it was meant for me) [01:36] <popey> lo AndyR [01:36] <russ_> /dev/hda1 /mnt/Drive1 vfat defaults 0 0 [01:36] <russ_> /dev/hdb1 /mnt/Drive2 vfat defaults 0 0 [01:36] <Razor-X> if not, bleh! [01:36] <zone17> AndyR, popey, what is needed besides the driver linux-wlan? [01:36] <xeiro> lol [01:36] <popey> the readme? [01:36] <Octane> hey guys, when breezy comes out, how will one go about upgrading? [01:36] <zone17> popey, which? [01:37] <crimsun> apokryphos: frankly it's fine whether both exist, since you can help out in both. Again, though, the relevance of each's existence is better discussed in #-offtopic. :) [01:37] <AndyR> zone17, what card? [01:37] <Razor-X> Octane: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [01:37] <zone17> AnyR, nokia c020 [01:37] <popey> Octane: edit /etc/apt/source.list then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade [01:37] <Octane> Razor-X: that easy? [01:37] <Octane> wow nice [01:37] <Razor-X> and you change the sources to their Breezy equivalents in sources.list, if i'm not mistaken [01:37] <zone17> AndyR, sorry nokia c020 [01:37] <Razor-X> simple azzat ;) [01:37] <zone17> popey, which readme? [01:37] <xeiro> say ... can deleted files be undeleted :) ? [01:37] <apokryphos> crimsun: it's hard to argue by yourself :), as in, if they don't wanna enter there. [01:37] <crimsun> apokryphos: I guess that settles that, eh? :) [01:37] <eth42> xeiro: h [01:38] <Razor-X> xeiro: depends on how much writing has occured on the drive since you deleted the file(s) [01:38] <xeiro> is that a no? [01:38] <popey> zone17: I am merely suggesting that there may be some documentation with the linux-wlan stuff... [01:38] <eth42> xeiro: was that a smiley? [01:38] <Razor-X> writing/using [01:38] <popey> you don't hint htat you've read that, just that you've downloaded it [01:38] <xeiro> Razor-X: what if u wanna undelete it as soon as u make ur mistake [01:38] <sorush20> anyone here know how to install KDAR [01:38] <Razor-X> xeiro: quite possible [01:38] <zone17> popey, I did read that :-) [01:38] <apokryphos> crimsun: no, that's the point :). I'm obviously not really going to be silent when someone's telling others to *not* join that channel :| ...so it'll just get raised again, oh well. ;-) [01:38] <popey> so what else have you done then? [01:38] <Razor-X> xeiro: but, just being on the IRC channel is decreasing your chances ;) [01:38] <|Elite|> hello all [01:38] <xeiro> eth42: yeah I think so :) [01:38] <AndyR> zone17, all i have is orinoco 42828 1 orinoco_cs [01:38] <AndyR> hermes 8448 2 orinoco_cs,orinoco [01:38] <AndyR> pcmcia 22244 5 orinoco_cs [01:39] <zone17> popey, installed the drivers [01:39] <xeiro> hehehheh ... actually am in windoze now :) [01:39] <|Elite|> can anyone here tell me how to install unbuntu to the hdd ? [01:39] <eth42> can I delete something that has been undeleted? [01:39] <|Elite|> of the live cd [01:39] <xeiro> until I get my ubuntu network card up :( [01:39] <Razor-X> xeiro: ewwww! [01:39] <zone17> popey, but I am unsure wether the kernel needs any setup [01:39] <eth42> xeiro: what's the problem with the card [01:39] <Razor-X> Windows so hampers my productivity ;) [01:39] <xeiro> eth42: delete something that has been undeleted .. lol [01:39] <Razor-X> thank god for emacs and Eshell [01:40] <elsha> eww emacs [01:40] <xeiro> eth42: I do a lspci .. and it shows up there .. its on a dhcp network .. but it wont pic up an ip [01:40] <elsha> emacs hamper my productivity [01:40] <elsha> :P [01:40] <eth42> Razor-X: this was a bit to much [01:40] <AndyR> cant you modprobe the module?? [01:40] <Razor-X> elsha: ``To Each His Own'' (and i'm quoting, so I don't change gender ;) [01:40] <holycow> *flamewar!!!!* [01:40] <eth42> xeiro: what has lspci to do with it? [01:40] <xeiro> Razor-X: what OS do they give u at ur workplace? [01:40] <GammaRay> Razor-X: who are you quoting? [01:40] <Razor-X> eth42: you mean the mixture of god and emacs should be considered blasphemious? [01:40] <Razor-X> xeiro: i'm 15 [01:41] <Razor-X> GammaRay: not sure who the original quotesmith was, to be honest [01:41] <eth42> Razor-X: you should be burned [01:41] <xeiro> Razor-X: man o man ... lol [01:41] <Razor-X> xeiro: plus, if all goes well, I work as a professor [01:41] <xeiro> Razor-X: they may stuff windows on u when u start to work :) [01:41] <xeiro> a professor [01:41] <xeiro> eck [01:41] <Razor-X> ;) [01:41] <Razor-X> i'm a stiff, ok, heh [01:41] <Razor-X> only I burn effigies of people I don't like [01:41] <eth42> xeiro: should you use ifup?? [01:41] <gometro33> xeiro: that's what knoppix is for [01:41] <Razor-X> and other stuff that doesen't belong in my chanacter [01:42] <holycow> good on ya if your actually that age [01:42] <elsha> hehe, 15 [01:42] <xeiro> eth42: I just wanted to see if the card was being picked up by ubuntu at all [01:42] <holycow> and familiar with open source [01:42] <Razor-X> holycow: I'll have to give Seveas my Photo ID so he can sign me into the strong set [01:42] <eth42> xeiro: ok but that will be before any DHCP stuff, or do I misunderstand you? [01:42] <Razor-X> so, based on admission into that, I can thenceforth say that ``I'm 15, really'' [01:42] <xeiro> eth42: I did an ifup eth0 and it was telling me something about device not found ... or no such device [01:42] <grover> what pkg provides libiberty? anyone happen to know? can't find it in synaptic [01:43] <Razor-X> xeiro: what's the output of sudo lspci -v ? (in pastebin) [01:43] <crimsun> grover: use packages.ubuntu.com [01:43] <Octane> anyone know why is it that in order to install the packages "libapr0-dev libdb4.2-dev libsvn0-dev" i need to remove "libdb3-dev libgal-dev libgdk-pixbuf-gnome-dev libglade-gnome0-dev libgnome-dev libgnomeprint-dev libgtkhtml-dev" [01:43] <GammaRay> grover: try apt-file [01:43] <eth42> is there a line for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces? [01:43] <xeiro> Razor-X: eck .. hold on let me see if I can get that info to u ... have to gonna walk about 10 feet [01:43] <xeiro> eck [01:44] <Razor-X> and I ask again, what's the command to change the default escape character in screen, in your .screenrc ? [01:44] <elsha> if you find one Kovecses, i'd like one too [01:44] <Kovecses> elsha, ok [01:44] <elsha> bottle shops aren't open at 7:45am :( [01:45] <Razor-X> it's about 4:45 PM here ;) [01:45] <HrdwrBoB> yes they are [01:45] <eth42> xeiro: is there a line for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces? [01:45] <HrdwrBoB> we have some 24hr bottleshops [01:45] <Razor-X> oh, and I have to submit something to the bugs too [01:45] <Razor-X> the Ubuntu ntp serves are off by 2 seconds [01:45] <elsha> well, they aren't where I live. we have laws so that they can't cater for the alcoholics [01:45] <Razor-X> and that's infuriating! [01:45] <GammaRay> Razor-X: I trust you've tried man screen [01:45] <eth42> xeiro: and why not just have a look at the fine Ubuntu Device Manager? [01:45] <Razor-X> GammaRay: yeah, I have [01:45] <Razor-X> and it's not very descriptive [01:45] <Razor-X> with the .screenrc rather [01:46] <xeiro> Razor-X: the output of lspci -v ... is gonna be stuck on that machine :) ... since its not networked ... and too much to write off : [01:46] <Razor-X> xeiro: hahaha, ok ;) [01:46] <Kovecses> how many here are from the U.S.? [01:46] <Razor-X> errr [01:46] <xeiro> eth42: checking that /etc/network/interefaces ..... [01:46] <Razor-X> wow, I found out! ;) [01:46] <Razor-X> nevermind [01:46] <Razor-X> Kovecses: me [01:46] <Kovecses> me too [01:47] <eth42> Good Old Europe speaking, hehehe [01:47] <Kovecses> Razor-X, what part/ [01:47] <elsha> omg it's booted up :):) [01:47] <Razor-X> elsha: heh [01:47] <josiah_> Hello all [01:47] <Razor-X> Kovecses: Silicon Valley, USA [01:47] <eth42> hi [01:47] <xzyt> anyone know what daemon i need to use to get a telnet session working to my box? [01:47] <IIIEars> Hi josiah_ [01:47] <Razor-X> xzyt: telnetd, if i'm not mistaken [01:47] <HrdwrBoB> xzyt: why do you want telnet [01:48] <xzyt> lol [01:48] <eth42> xzyt: wouldn't use telnet but an ssh server [01:48] <HrdwrBoB> xzyt: it's extremely not recommended [01:48] <xzyt> for a windows computer at my work to let me login remotly at home [01:48] <Razor-X> yeah, ssh is much better than telnet [01:48] <josiah_> I'm wondering if anybody knows how to save the current state of my networking (in the networking Administration panel) so that next time I boot, my networking works the way it did last time [01:48] <HrdwrBoB> xzyt: yeah, use ssh [01:48] <Razor-X> xzyt: telnet is horribly insecure [01:48] <eth42> xzyt: there are also ssh clients for windoze [01:48] <HrdwrBoB> xzyt: with putty [01:48] <josiah_> Just use an SSH client like putty [01:48] <IIIEars> telnet sends passwords in clear text (un encrypted) [01:48] <xzyt> yeah i use putty [01:48] <Razor-X> Putty is incredibly for SSH [01:48] <xeiro> eth42: only line with eth0 in that file is one that says "map eth0" [01:48] <josiah_> and openssh-server is the package for ubuntu [01:48] <Razor-X> IIIEars: yeah, as does IRC, if i'm not mistaken ;) [01:48] <xzyt> openssh-server ok [01:48] <HrdwrBoB> IIIEars: it sends EVERYTHING in clear text [01:48] <IIIEars> openssh - is amazingly powerful. [01:49] <eth42> xeiro: mhh, yeah, thats the same with me, and below something with script grep, or so... [01:49] <LasseL> is mod_perl default on in ubuntu's apache2 package? [01:49] <xeiro> nope .. nothing below [01:49] <IIIEars> Really? - sounds like fun - for the hacker - lol [01:49] <Razor-X> IIIEars: you didn't know that? [01:49] <xeiro> but above is something about hotplugable [01:49] <Razor-X> same reason you can use a telnet session to IRC [01:49] <eth42> xeiro: wait, and there is the line iface eth0 inet dhcp [01:49] <josiah_> Nobody knows about saving the state of networking? I mean, I could go look through the scripts.... but I don't want to :) [01:49] <xzyt> i see [01:49] <IIIEars> been using openssh - skipped the telnet era entirely [01:49] <xzyt> openssh it is [01:49] <Razor-X> all your IRC client is, is a way to streamline the sending and receiving of raw IRC text [01:49] <xeiro> nope .. but there is an iface lo :) [01:49] <Razor-X> IIIEars: so did I, after all [01:49] <xzyt> any way to get windows to display x? [01:50] <josiah_> Yeah, shouldn't that line get changed by the Networking control panel? I would think..... [01:50] <Razor-X> I just no my networking history ;) [01:50] <xzyt> or vise versa... see windows on linux? a remoted desktop that doesn't require XPpro? [01:50] <josiah_> Yeah, you can get Windows to display X - you just have to get an X server for windows. There are a bunch of commercial ones, and probably some free ones too [01:50] <Razor-X> josiah_: where from you hail? [01:50] <mrd`> You can telnet to a SMTP, HTTP, or IMAP server too. [01:50] <eth42> xeiro: put it there, that's it (probably) [01:50] <mrd`> Or any text based protocol. [01:50] <eth42> xeiro: (not really knowing what I'm talking about) [01:50] <xzyt> i tried cygwin...but it sux [01:50] <Razor-X> xzyt: if you want to see the GUI, try VLC tunneled through an SSH session [01:50] <xeiro> eth42: put it where ... at the bottom? [01:50] <josiah_> use VNC!! cross-platform [01:50] <Razor-X> mrd`: exactly [01:50] <Razor-X> s/VLC/VNC/ [01:50] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: or don't [01:50] <HrdwrBoB> VNC is terrible [01:51] <eth42> xeiro: yes, whereever [01:51] <xzyt> so is the a VNC client for windows? [01:51] <xeiro> aaahhh the joys of linux ... trial and error ...lol [01:51] <HrdwrBoB> better off using NX [01:51] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: TightVNC isn't bad at all, IMO [01:51] <eth42> xeiro: not between those mapping lines, though [01:51] <josiah_> Yes, there is a VNC client for Windows [01:51] <josiah_> many free ones [01:51] <Razor-X> or yeah, FreeNX isn't that bad either [01:51] <xzyt> ok im confused... [01:51] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: no, VNCC is inherently the suck [01:51] <josiah_> Just do a google search for vnc [01:51] <adam_> Anybody know how to restore ubuntu 5.04 default settings? [01:51] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: because of the way it work [01:51] <HrdwrBoB> s [01:51] <Razor-X> xzyt: try FreeNX [01:51] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: true that [01:51] <eth42> josiah_: and there are X servers for Windows [01:51] <LasseL> still there is charm in opening a single app from your linux box, rather than an entire remote desktop [01:51] <josiah_> Well, it uses a lot of bandwidth, it is true [01:51] <Razor-X> isn't FreeNX a bit odd to setup, though? [01:51] <HrdwrBoB> josiah_: and it's therefore slow [01:51] <mrd`> You can enable compression in ssh. [01:51] <josiah_> Yes, I use X forwarding [01:51] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: yeah it's a bitch [01:51] <eth42> X + ssh for windows = perfect [01:51] <josiah_> Becaus eit's faster [01:52] <xzyt> freenx ok... thats a windows client? ok [01:52] <HrdwrBoB> X + compression > VNC [01:52] <josiah_> :) yes, I agree [01:52] <Razor-X> oh yeah, that's better! [01:52] <HrdwrBoB> freenx > X + compression [01:52] <Razor-X> use XDMCP tunneled through an SSH session [01:52] <HrdwrBoB> apart from being fruity [01:52] <Razor-X> and get the Cygwin X client [01:52] <xzyt> XDMCP ?? [01:52] <Razor-X> and connect [01:52] <xzyt> ok im lost [01:52] <josiah_> Huh... so hasn't anybody else noticed that it's really annoying that the networking "control panel" doesn't save it's state? [01:52] <Razor-X> the protocol that lets you connect to an X session remotely [01:52] <josiah_> delete that ' [01:52] <josiah_> :) [01:52] <Razor-X> highly insecure... unless tunneled through an SSH session [01:53] <eth42> xeiro: and? got network? [01:53] <xzyt> ok... so... use cygwin on my windows pc [01:53] <Gnobody> does X work in breezy yet??????????????????????????? [01:53] <xzyt> and use FreeNX on this ubuntu box? [01:53] <Razor-X> Gnobody: remove the ``?''s and we may tell you [01:53] <Kovecses> what is FreeNX [01:53] <Gnobody> ok [01:53] <chaps0063> hello all... [01:53] <Razor-X> xzyt: FreeNX is a bitch to install, I hear [01:53] <chaps0063> !info samba [01:53] <Gnobody> does x work in breezy? [01:53] <ubotu> samba: (a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.10-1ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 2300 kB, Installed size: 5956 kB [01:53] <eth42> xzyt: there is no such thing as a windows pc [01:54] <jmanns> does anyone have drivers for a lexmark z515 or know how to make it work with ubuntu 5.04? [01:54] <HrdwrBoB> don't bother with freenx, it's a bitch [01:54] <Gnobody> It's a Wintel boxxen [01:54] <Razor-X> so, install the X/Cygwin client in Windows [01:54] <mrd`> eth42: A PC running Windows. [01:54] <HrdwrBoB> jmanns: I had a lexmark [01:54] <Razor-X> forward your X session using XDMCP [01:54] <Razor-X> and tunnel it through an SSH session [01:54] <eth42> mrd`: ah! ok [01:54] <HrdwrBoB> jmanns: I threw it away [01:54] <|QuaD-> Gnobody: i am having trouble with xlibs currently [01:54] <eth42> :-) [01:54] <chaps0063> has anyone used samba and had user authentication per different shares? [01:54] <HrdwrBoB> and got a new printer [01:54] <josiah_> eth42: that's not a useful statement. There are computers that have Windows installed on them [01:54] <Sado-Mazo> ate [01:54] <Razor-X> josiah_: and a bunch of them distribute viruses freely ;) [01:54] <Gnobody> When do you guys estimate Colony 3 will be released? [01:54] <jmanns> HrdwrBoB: are you saying it doesn't work? [01:54] <eth42> josiah_: so my notebook is an Hoary Hedgehog notebook then [01:54] <Razor-X> Gnobody: #ubuntu-offtopic ;) [01:55] <HrdwrBoB> jmanns: there was a driver to make it work [01:55] <adam_> COuld somone please tell me how to restore ubuntu 5.04 default settings? [01:55] <mrd`> josiah_: Sure. [01:55] <HrdwrBoB> jmanns: but it didn't, and it was a shitty printer in any case [01:55] <Razor-X> the CUPS drivers for my Epsion C66 are slow [01:55] <Razor-X> and LPR cuts off the margins randomly [01:55] <HrdwrBoB> haha [01:55] <Razor-X> does LPR default to A4 ? [01:55] <HrdwrBoB> I have a samsung ML1740 [01:56] <GammaRay> Razor-X: for screen see -e in man screen [01:56] <HrdwrBoB> b/w laser, $190AU [01:56] <Razor-X> GammaRay: I already found it, thanks though [01:56] <flipy> how can I mount a fat32 partition to let everyone read/write access? [01:56] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: we payed about $60 USD for this ;) [01:56] <Razor-X> because my sister broke our previous printer ;) [01:56] <LasseL> xzyt, go with the VNC first, it is very easy to set up [01:56] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: yeah but it's some colour monstrosity with hideously expensive cartridges right? [01:56] <josiah_> Well, if nobody knows how to make the Networking "control panel" save it's state, I'll go manually edit /etc/network/interfaces to my most common settings and deal. [01:57] <adam_> It's me again [01:57] <HrdwrBoB> if I want colour, I go to the print shop [01:57] <xzyt> if only i knew how to setup vnc [01:57] <xzyt> lol [01:57] <HrdwrBoB> josiah_: it should save [01:57] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: the latter isn't true, the former is though ;) [01:57] <HrdwrBoB> but er .. yeah [01:57] <eth42> flipy: just mounting it doesn't give r/w access for all? [01:57] <LasseL> xzyt, that is easy if you google for it :) [01:57] <Razor-X> eth42: Ubuntu doesen't do that here either, oddly enough [01:57] <xzyt> ok i'll just apt-get it and install it and then look it up in google [01:57] <eth42> josiah_: what do you mean with most common settings? [01:58] <Razor-X> xzyt: get specifically TightVNC [01:58] <Razor-X> elsewise, it's going to be shitty [01:58] <Kovecses> you guys hear of this XPDE crap [01:58] <xzyt> TightVNC ok [01:58] <Razor-X> and if you use it on your Windows regularly, then install the TightVNC graphics driver in Windows [01:58] <Razor-X> so you can view your Windows easily [01:58] <eth42> Razor-X: then there is probably some restricting line in /etc/fstab, no? [01:58] <xzyt> i will be using it regularly [01:58] <Razor-X> eth42: i'ld think so [01:58] <xzyt> :) [01:58] <LasseL> xzyt, http://ubuntuguide.org/#remotedesktop [01:58] <Razor-X> xzyt: then there you are [01:58] <xzyt> :) thanks [01:58] <xzyt> both of ya'll [02:00] <Kovecses> hopefully that fixes uber's resolution problem [02:00] <Kovecses> lets pray [02:01] <elsha> hehe [02:01] <joy> Care For Sexy Chat? [02:01] <holycow> all he needed horiz and vert refresh rates correct? [02:01] <elsha> a bit of hoary chat joy, har har har [02:01] <josiah_> Sexy? Wrong chanel :0 [02:02] <Kovecses> holycow, his pc is very old and couldn't support anything higher than 600*800 so i told his how to use 16 bit and get bigger resolution [02:02] <holycow> oh! [02:02] <holycow> neato [02:02] <holycow> nice work [02:02] <Kovecses> i think [02:02] <Kovecses> i could have just broke his whole system [02:02] <Kovecses> lol [02:02] <Kovecses> i hope not [02:02] <jedix> hey, can someone help me with playback of a dvd? [02:03] <Kovecses> jedix, libdvdcss [02:03] <Kovecses> jedix, u need it [02:03] <josiah_> I always use mplayer [02:03] <josiah_> it appears to be available in universe [02:03] <Kovecses> ut oh uber isnt back yet.............. [02:03] <jedix> Kovecses: I have it [02:04] <xzyt> if i use vnc view for windows.... what port is that? 23? 22? or 21? [02:04] <LasseL> i always use VLC. i hate the interface but it plays everything i can throw at it [02:04] <Kovecses> vlc is good [02:04] <xzyt> vnc-viewer... what port is vnc using? [02:04] <jedix> I have a problem with audio, I can't get my ac3 passthrough to go [02:04] <holycow> speaking of vlc, i will haveto try and play casino dvd on it now that you remind me [02:04] <Kovecses> how can I remove totem without removing the whole ubuntu-desktop [02:05] <holycow> totem craps out on the decss part [02:05] <LasseL> xzyt, google first, ask later :) [02:05] <holycow> Kovecses, ubuntu-desktop is a meta package [02:05] <holycow> if you remove totem, it has to remove that because totem is part of it [02:05] <Kovecses> yeah but it wont let me remove just totem [02:05] <Chris> Hey, someone, I'm an Ubuntu newbie and I need some help...I can't login to Ubuntu because it says "I don't have enough disk space, or it can't write to /home." [02:05] <Kovecses> holycow, so im screwed [02:05] <holycow> as long as you don't have a list of 3000 applications that it wants to remove, and just ubuntu-desktop your fine [02:06] <holycow> no yoru fine [02:06] <holycow> just remove the metapackage, it doesnt affect anything [02:06] <Kovecses> so removing ubuntu-desktop wont do damage? [02:06] <zxmpulse> hi [02:06] <zxmpulse> can you explame me how to make a sript for starting giftd giFTcurs in the same command [02:06] <holycow> its just a way of grouping a bunch of apps together in one install [02:06] <LasseL> I thought it was recommended to keep it for upgrading purposes [02:06] <holycow> Kovecses, yes [02:06] <Kovecses> i feel bad uber is not back yet [02:07] <eth42> Kovecses: why? [02:07] <levander> Is the version of firefox in the ubuntu repositories okay yet? [02:07] <Kovecses> eth42, i think i broke his computer [02:07] <eth42> Kovecses: mkfs /dev/hda? [02:07] <Hergiswi> Help, I have AIDS [02:07] <elsha> lol [02:07] <shadeofgrey> hey guys [02:07] <eth42> Kovecses: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda? [02:07] <zxmpulse> please help me [02:07] <levander> Hergiswi: why are there so many sex related trolls on freenode today? [02:08] <shadeofgrey> cheer loud for me - i finally killed windows with an icepick [02:08] <Hergiswi> I don't know, but I needed to get someone's attention. [02:08] <Kovecses> eth42, he expected me to know everything he didnt even know what kind of mous he had [02:08] <eth42> zxmpulse: depends [02:08] <shadeofgrey> my only os is now ubuntu [02:08] <Kovecses> Hergiswi, whats up [02:08] <eth42> Kovecses: hehe [02:08] <zxmpulse> eth42 depens on what?? [02:08] <eth42> shadeofgrey: fine man [02:08] <Hergiswi> Hey, someone, I'm an Ubuntu newbie and I need some help...I can't login to Ubuntu because it says "I don't have enough disk space, or it can't write to /home." [02:08] <eth42> zxmpulse: your problem [02:08] <jazzgossen> hi, I just installed Ubuntu 5.04, but whatever I do I keep getting thrown back to the login screen every 60 seconds or so. Anyone recognize that? [02:08] <zxmpulse> can you explame me how to make a sript for starting giftd giFTcurs in the same command [02:08] <shadeofgrey> where is beep media player located as far as repositories? [02:08] <shadeofgrey> universe? [02:08] <eth42> shadeofgrey: s/man/(wo)?man/ [02:08] <jazzgossen> Hergiswi: how much space have you got? [02:09] <levander> Hergiswi: tried booting into single user mode? [02:09] <jedix> ugg [02:09] <Hergiswi> jazzgossen: I'm not sure how I can find out [02:09] <Hergiswi> levander: what's that? [02:09] <levander> Hergiswi: you might need a rescue disk to get more space for home somehow [02:09] <zxmpulse> eth42 sorry for me enlish [02:09] <shadeofgrey> and is there something BETTER than beep? bearing in mind that i feel xmms is a disgrace [02:09] <jedix> playback of normal files works fine, but when I try to open a dvd, mplayer catches a signal 11 [02:09] <LasseL> Hergiswi, try pressing ctrl+alt+F2 and login to the prompt [02:09] <eth42> zxmpulse: a script for executing program "giftd" with parameter "giFTcurs", or what? [02:09] <shadeofgrey> man... adding that 2gig of ram really helped [02:09] <levander> Hergiswi: have you logged into your machine in the past? Just put something out there that's to big, or is this new install? [02:09] <LasseL> Hergiswi, use ctrl+alt+F7 to get back to the graphical mode [02:10] <zxmpulse> a script for starting giftd and after gi! [02:10] <Hergiswi> I just upgraded with sudo apt-get [02:10] <jedix> anyone? [02:10] <shadeofgrey> last time i was running this i only had one... and it was great - but 3, and everything flies [02:10] <zxmpulse> a script for starting giftd and after giFtcurs [02:10] <Hergiswi> so I should use ctrl+alt+f2? [02:10] <eth42> zxmpulse: giftd && gi [02:10] <Last_in_Line> Can someone pls help me with my php.ini problem? [02:10] <eth42> zxmpulse: this would be a command [02:10] <LasseL> Hergiswi, maybe you can login using a commandline prompt ? [02:10] <shadeofgrey> does sudo apt-get upgrade actually upgrade the whole OS to breezy? [02:10] <Razor-X> ``Our OS is more secure because we get hacked more'' [02:10] <LasseL> i dunno [02:10] <levander> Hergiswi: try the other people's suggestions, you gotta get logged in somehow to fix [02:10] <Razor-X> name that quoter ;) [02:11] <zxmpulse> but how can i made a command to that for me [02:11] <levander> shadeofgrey: yes, you gotta do a dist-upgrade and change sources.list first though [02:11] <eth42> zxmpulse: for a script, write it to a file, #!/bin/bash in the first line, chmod a+x file; done [02:11] <xzyt> ok well that was fun...i ran vncviewer on my local...and i got a cascade of video screens LOL [02:11] <zxmpulse> thanks eth42 [02:11] <Razor-X> xzyt: hah, the infinite thing? ;) [02:11] <shadeofgrey> but breezy is unstable isnt it? [02:11] <Razor-X> that's kickass ;) [02:11] <xzyt> yes razor [02:11] <xzyt> now i need to figure out how to make it smaller [02:11] <xzyt> and not fill my 42" screen [02:11] <Razor-X> xzyt: teh --geometry flag [02:11] <levander> shadeofgrey: yes, it's for people who want to test, or just people who gotta have the latest and greatest and don't mind a few problems [02:11] <xzyt> gave me a migrane [02:12] <Razor-X> s/teh/the/ [02:12] <Hergiswi> thanks [02:12] <Hergiswi> I'll try that [02:12] <levander> nobody knows if the current version of firefox in the ubuntu repos still has problems do they? [02:12] <shadeofgrey> i mind problems. if i just allowed hoary in my sources.list its okay to update all my packages thru the automated tool right? it wont touch breezy stuff without being enabled in sources.list.. correct? [02:13] <Last_in_Line> Does anyone know how to get root access in Ubuntu? [02:13] <jedix> jesus [02:13] <eth42> levander: problems? which? [02:13] <Razor-X> levander: it got fixed [02:13] <jedix> Last_in_Line: google single user mode [02:13] <josiah_> last_in_line: sudo su - [02:13] <Kovecses> shadeofgrey, noit wont [02:13] <LasseL> Last_in_Line, sudo passwd, then su - [02:13] <Razor-X> shadeofgrey: of cource it won't [02:13] <josiah_> Just sudo su - works fine [02:13] <Razor-X> or, just use sudo -s [02:13] <levander> shadeofgrey: correct. If you were to upgrade to breezy, that is the changes you would have to make to sources.list. You'd have to tell it to pull the updates from the breezy repositories. Just leave them pointing at hoary, and you won't touch breezy stuff. [02:13] <Razor-X> nobody _ever_ uses sudo -s ;) [02:14] <jedix> anyone know how to stop mplayer from crashing on ac3 decoding? [02:14] <Razor-X> not even deprecated, either [02:14] <josiah_> in case anybody else cares, I removed /etc/network/interfaces, and now my "control panel" appears to manage it for me properly [02:14] <josiah_> mplayer doesn't crash on ac3 decoding for me - never has [02:14] <josiah_> Did you compile it from source? [02:14] <levander> eth42: I don't know, i was in here two days ago and they were saying that the version of firefox in the repos was borked somehow [02:14] <thespiritoftal> anyone here who knows how to write a batch file? [02:14] <eth42> jedix: why encode with jedix? [02:14] <Razor-X> josiah_: hah, how many people do that? [02:14] <Kovecses> bob2, thanks for letting me talk again [02:14] <Razor-X> !restrictedformats [02:14] <ubotu> [restrictedformats] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs' [02:14] <jedix> eth42: it's a dvd [02:14] <eth42> levander: haven't had a problem so far [02:15] <eth42> jedix: i'd try ffmpeg first [02:15] <Razor-X> by the way, what DLLs does that use? [02:15] <levander> eth42: when did you update last eth42? [02:15] <Razor-X> because that is illegal, IIRC [02:15] <shadeofgrey> do i need to uncomment all three of the groups of lines in the sources.list to enable universe? [02:15] <jazzgossen> nobody knows what could be wrong if I get kicked back to the login screen every 60 seconds or so? [02:15] <Razor-X> and I want to use my own legal ones [02:15] <eth42> levander: <cough> <cough> never [02:15] <jedix> eth42: I'm just trying to playback my movie, and it keeps crashing on decoding the audio [02:15] <jedix> eth42: signal 11 [02:15] <josiah_> jazzgossen: even if you reboot? [02:15] <levander> eth42: well, no wonder, you'd have had to update in the last week or so to see the problems [02:16] <eth42> jedix: sorry, I don't know [02:16] <Last_in_Line> sudo passwd su won't work because I never made a root password, otherwise I would just log in as root [02:16] <Razor-X> eth42: hah ;) I have a few updates I need to do [02:16] <Razor-X> but, eh, I don't care [02:16] <eth42> jedix: and Totem? [02:16] <Razor-X> jedix: try VLC [02:16] <jedix> VLC? [02:16] <bob2> Last_in_Line: sudo -s [02:16] <eth42> jedix: Totem is better :-) [02:16] <levander> you gotta be kidding me, nobody in here knows about the firefox problems in the repos? The other day people thought I was stupid in here cause I was the only one who hadn't heard of it yet. [02:16] <bob2> Last_in_Line: will get you a root shell [02:16] <eth42> Video Lan Client [02:16] <jedix> give me a second, totem crashes too [02:16] <Razor-X> !vlc [02:16] <ubotu> vlc is, like, a media player with native support for a large handfull of popular formats and excellent streaming support [02:16] <Razor-X> !info vlc [02:16] <bob2> levander: chill out, dude [02:16] <uber_newber> www.totse.com is a kool site [02:16] <eth42> !!! Totem [02:16] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB [02:16] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, eth42 [02:17] <bob2> levander: if there's a bug, please report it [02:17] <jedix> eth42: doesn't crash, sorry "don't know how to handle audio/x-ac3 [02:17] <eth42> jedix: see, it doesn't crash [02:17] <eth42> jedix: :-)) [02:17] <eth42> jedix: too bad [02:17] <Razor-X> jedix: use VLC, meh [02:17] <eth42> jedix: ah, i get headache [02:17] <levander> bob2: no, people were telling me that if I upgraded, firefox wasn't going to work. Because ff 1.0.6 had bugs on linux, and ubuntu just released them to the public because they were concerned about the published security concerns of ff 1.0.5 [02:18] <levander> bob2: no problems, i just want to avoid downloading problems [02:18] <eth42> vlc, vlc [02:18] <levander> bob2: it was even in the channel topic [02:18] <bob2> levander: I'm not sure what you're saying [02:18] <xzyt> ok i got the vnc part to work... and found the win32 version [02:18] <bob2> firefox 1.0.6 is in hoary-security now, tho [02:18] <xzyt> so i guess thats all i need? [02:19] <Razor-X> xzyt: pretty much [02:19] <xzyt> does apache come preinstalled? [02:19] <eth42> Burgundavia sounds like some far-off country [02:19] <bob2> xzyt: nope [02:19] <levander> bob2: okay, apparently, like two days ago, i was told by a few people in this channel, that the latest version of firefox in the ubuntu repositories had serious problems. If I updated, firefox wouldn't work so good. This information was even in the channel topic.I'm trying to figure out if these problems have gone away so that I can update my system. [02:19] <Last_in_Line> Now how would I cange permissions to php.ini to be writable? [02:20] <bob2> levander: hopefully they are gone [02:20] <frank> levander: firefox has been fixed [02:20] <eth42> Last_in_Line: sudo chmod a+w /etc/php.ini [02:20] <holycow> levander, let me appologize for any of us that act like twits and assholes sometimes [02:20] <bob2> Last_in_Line: er, don't do that [02:20] <holycow> human nature and such [02:20] <holycow> i don't know if its fixed :/ [02:20] <bob2> Last_in_Line: use sudo to edit, if you have a reason to [02:20] <Kovecses> levander, it did....but the even newer release is fine [02:20] <levander> frank: thanks [02:20] <eth42> Last_in_Line: but bob2 is right, don't do it [02:20] <levander> thanks guys [02:20] <xzyt> anyone ever had issues running BOINC on ubuntu? [02:20] <frank> levander: ubuntu basically broke its own rules over firefox, since they actually changed version [02:21] <levander> okay, so in the future, where can I go to check on the status of major issues like this in the ubuntu repositories? [02:21] <levander> frank: good for me, i wanted the latest version of FF anyway. [02:21] <bob2> levander: bugzilla.ubuntu.com [02:21] <frank> xzyt: appart from overheating my CPU this summer, no [02:21] <mcrofutt> While we're discussing browsers,,, Is there a JAVA pkg. besides SUN that will integrate? [02:22] <bob2> there are no java plugins in ubuntu [02:22] <bob2> due to sun's license [02:22] <l-i-l> How do I use sudo to edit? [02:22] <xzyt> well i can't seem to add my project in that program...and it just hangs...to the point of NOT allowing me to kill it [02:22] <levander> bob2: if possible, i'd rather not have to search through a bug database to find something that's going to effect just about everybody running software that's supposed to be stable. Ubuntu doesn't have anywhere where they headline this information? [02:22] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/Java explains how to use make-jpkg [02:22] <Kovecses> mcrofutt, why not use suns [02:22] <l-i-l> I'm new to linux... [02:22] <bob2> levander: no, it was not "just about everybody" [02:23] <mcrofutt> I've had trouble getting it to install properly [02:23] <levander> bob2: oh, i thought it was, who got affected? [02:23] <holycow> l-i-l welcome and have fun [02:23] <holycow> :) [02:23] <Kovecses> l-i-l, you know how to get to the terminal [02:23] <bob2> l-i-l: to edit what? [02:23] <mcrofutt> yes I do [02:23] <levander> l-i-l: sudo doesn't do editing [02:23] <l-i-l> <---Last_in_Line from Ubuntu machine [02:23] <bob2> l-i-l: sudo gedit /etc/php/php.ini [02:23] <xzyt> frank: can you help me add my project in it...it always locks up when i try to run it [02:24] <bob2> l-i-l: but not that file has no affect on the apache plugin [02:24] <l-i-l> Is it the file in /etc/php4/apache? [02:24] <elsha> time for me to sleep :) bye all [02:24] <bob2> l-i-l: what are you trying to do? [02:25] <frank> xzyt: are you trying to add via console or the gui? I only did it via console [02:25] <l-i-l> I'm trying to turn globals on so e-groupware will work [02:25] <flipy> how can I mount a fat32 partition and give read/write permissions to everyone? [02:25] <xzyt> frank: gui , how do you add in console? i didn't see any documentations on that [02:25] <levander> flipy: you know how to mount a partition? just are asking about how to get the permissions you want? [02:26] <bob2> flipy: www.ubuntuguide.org [02:26] <frank> xzyt: try boinc --help to see the console commands [02:26] <bob2> l-i-l: er, that's a serious security flaw [02:26] <flipy> bob2: thanks [02:26] <bob2> l-i-l: that would be enough to make me just not use it [02:26] <levander> what are globals? [02:26] <levander> oh, global permissions [02:27] <l-i-l> When I fill out the setup page & hit done it reloads the page like it was before [02:27] <bob2> l-i-l: if you insist, tho, then "sudo gedit /etc/php4/apache/php.ini" in the terminal [02:27] <levander> l-i-l: yeah, i wouldn't use it either, not just because of poor security, but that it's a sympton of poor design in general if you have to do that [02:28] <l-i-l> Its just for lan anyway [02:28] <levander> Kovecses: i've been digging through it occasionally. It's a good start, but IMO, the info is often a little simplistic. [02:28] <xzyt> frank: boinc or run_client refuse to run in command line and only if i go through x am i able to run gui... [02:29] <levander> Hey bob2 i'm working on a backup strategy right now. I remember you telling me you were backing up certain directories with rsync. You can tell me which directories you decided to back up again? [02:29] <Burgundavia> eth42, modelled after Burgundy (a region in france and a country), if you wish to know [02:29] <xzyt> frank: i even do an updatedb ...and it says its not a valid command [02:29] <Xyc0> what is the name of the RH boot screen project? [02:29] <frank> xzyt: what do you mean, refuse to run? maybe they are not in your path [02:29] <bob2> "crack" [02:29] <josiah_> isn't that just grub splashscreens? [02:29] <l-i-l> How do I save now? [02:29] <eth42> Burgundavia: good wine from Burgundy [02:29] <xzyt> frank: im in the path where the files are [02:29] <frank> xzyt: go to the directory they are in and run ./boinc [02:29] <russ_> hi, i am trying to umount /dev/hdb1 but it says it is busy [02:29] <bob2> l-i-l: select save from the file menu... [02:30] <flipy> bob2: it says something about utf8 is a bad idea because the file system will be case sensitive. [02:30] <xzyt> ./ ok [02:30] <bob2> russ_: then stop using it [02:30] <Xyc0> josiah_: neg [02:30] <bob2> flipy: do you use non-ASCII characters in filenames? [02:30] <russ_> im not using it [02:30] <funkyHat> bob2, as far as he can see, he's not [02:30] <bob2> levander: ~/, /etc/ and /var/tmp/ [02:30] <levander> russ_: somebody is reading a file, or there current directory is in /dev/hdb1 [02:30] <flipy> bob2: I'm spanish [02:30] <bob2> russ_: sudo umount -l /dev/hdb1 [02:30] <levander> bob2: why /var/tmp/? [02:31] <bob2> levander: because I'm dumb and tend to leave things there by accident [02:31] <levander> bob2: like you copy things manually in there sometimes? [02:31] <Xyc0> josiah_: RHGB if you wanted to know [02:31] <bob2> levander: yeah. it has all my photos atm because /home is full [02:31] <bob2> tho I'm not entirely sure why [02:31] <russ_> ok that worked thanks bob [02:32] <l-i-l> ahh, lol I thought I was still in console [02:32] <flipy> bob2: I mean, I use to have spanish accents and stuff in my filenames [02:32] <l-i-l> Cool, I'll reboot & see if that worked [02:32] <l-i-l> thx [02:32] <levander> bob2: a lot of people get a yahoo account and put all their photos in one of their photo albums, so they don't have to worry about backing them up [02:33] <pdsfdsf> how do I open a folder in the terminal? [02:34] <bob2> levander: I wouldn't have the patience for that [02:34] <ubuntu> I would like to know how to set up a USB printer with the ubuntu live cd [02:34] <bob2> flipy: then ignore it and hope it works, I guess [02:34] <bob2> pdsfdsf: "open"? [02:34] <flipy> bob2: thanks! [02:34] <pdsfdsf> yes.. [02:35] <jedix> eth42: still there? [02:35] <xzyt> frank: i got it to work [02:35] <pdsfdsf> I want to see and use the files of a folder [02:35] <eth42> jedix: yes [02:35] <bob2> pdsfdsf: what do you mean by open? see what's in there? [02:35] <punkrockmcduck> hi everybody [02:35] <jedix> eth42: my mplayer problem > http://www.jebus.ca/Linux/output.txt [02:35] <bob2> pdsfdsf: 'cd name_of_folder', then 'ls' [02:35] <pdsfdsf> thank you! [02:35] <frank> xzyt: with the gui as well? are you using kde? [02:35] <ubuntu> I would like to know how to set up a USB printer with the ubuntu live cd, please help [02:35] <xzyt> frank: gnome [02:35] <frank> ok [02:35] <punkrockmcduck> i'm trying to help a friend of mine set up ubuntu to use his compuserve dialup connection, but i've never had to do that since i've always had cable [02:36] <punkrockmcduck> what do i need to read to be able to figure it out? [02:36] <xzyt> frank: running the command first..then the gui so see it all... so its like having 2 things running at once for 1 thing [02:36] <frank> xzyt: I just asked because there is a frontend for boinc for kde as well [02:36] <ubuntu> I would like to know how to set up a USB printer with the ubuntu live cd, please help [02:36] <bob2> ubuntu: please stop it [02:36] <ubuntu> please help [02:36] <bob2> just be quiet and wait [02:36] <bob2> annoying people isn't going to encourage them to help you [02:37] <russ_> bob do you know how to change permissions in a shortcut? [02:37] <bob2> go to "system" -> "administration" -> "printing" [02:37] <frank> xzyt: boinc does the work, boincmgr only controls boinc although I think you should be able to start boinc with boincmgr but I'm not sure [02:37] <bob2> russ_: you mean a symlink? [02:37] <ubuntu> i did [02:37] <russ_> a desktop icon? i guess so [02:37] <ubuntu> and I went ad new printer also [02:37] <bob2> ubuntu: so, mention that in your question [02:37] <Razor-X> haha [02:37] <Razor-X> this is crazy [02:37] <bob2> having to guess what you've done is silly [02:37] <Razor-X> emacs buffers in a screen session [02:37] <xzyt> frank: ah ok well..i hope it will do something...since its just sitting there not really doing any processes [02:37] <levander> Since firefox dev's have such a different development model than debian, the ubuntu dev's have thought about putting firefox in universe and having some other web browser be the default? Like Konqueror, only I guess they'd need a gnome one. [02:38] <Razor-X> talk about multitasking [02:38] <ubuntu> and it sais no printers detected [02:38] <russ_> my friend doesnt know how to use linux [02:38] <russ_> i need to make him r/w icons [02:38] <russ_> it wont allow me [02:38] <ubuntu> i did not boot up with the printer, i just plugged it in [02:38] <jedix> eth42: any ideas? [02:38] <Xyc0> levander: nautilus? [02:38] <russ_> you would think they are just shortcuts but it doesnt seem that wauy [02:38] <Razor-X> ubuntu: try typing ``hotplug'' [02:38] <levander> Xyc0: nautilus can browse the web?? [02:38] <bob2> russ_: I don't know what you mean [02:38] <bob2> linux doesn't have shortcuts [02:38] <russ_> it says they are owned by root [02:38] <eth42> jedix: MPlayer messages are always a bit freaky [02:38] <ubuntu> hotplug [02:38] <levander> linux has links instead of shortcuts [02:38] <Xyc0> levander: it used to, now we just use firefox [02:38] <bob2> russ_: you need to be way more specific [02:38] <ubuntu> "hotplug" [02:39] <russ_> i have successfully mounted drive1 and drive2 they are vfat drives [02:39] <jedix> eth42: totem says it can't play ac3 streams and stops [02:39] <russ_> with the help of funkyhat [02:39] <bob2> anyway, this will suck my day [02:39] <Xyc0> levander: just because you can't update it constantly doesn't mean its unuseable [02:39] <eth42> jedix: that looks strange: The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec. VDecoder init failed :( [02:39] <levander> Xyc0: nautilus used to? or ubuntu used to have nautilus as the web browser? [02:39] <russ_> i made desktop icons but they have little locks on them, i need to allow r/w access on drive21 [02:39] <levander> Xyc0: i didn't say it was unusable [02:39] <bob2> russ_: so, that's entirely to do with how you mounted it [02:39] <xeiro> Razor-X: how long was I gone? [02:39] <Xyc0> levander: Gnome used to use nautilus as a web browser, way back in the day [02:39] <bob2> russ_: note you can't write to NTFS at all [02:39] <bob2> Xyc0: no it didn't [02:40] <jedix> yeah [02:40] <russ_> its fat32 [02:40] <russ_> they are working in nautilus [02:40] <funkyHat> they are vfat drives bob2 [02:40] <ubuntu> i typed hotplug [02:40] <russ_> but not through the links [02:40] <Xyc0> bob2: no? [02:40] <ubuntu> nothing happend [02:40] <bob2> russ_: then mount it with umask=000 [02:40] <xeiro> Razor-X: thats the amount of time it took me to fix my network problem :) [02:40] <jedix> eth42: but it's the sound that throws the sig11 [02:40] <funkyHat> russ_, the desktop is part of nautilus [02:40] <Razor-X> ubuntu: nothing will [02:40] <Razor-X> xeiro: hahaha [02:40] <bob2> russ_: ie put it in the options colume after defaults in /etc/fstab [02:40] <levander> Xyc0: well, i just tried opening a web page in nautilus, notta [02:40] <Razor-X> ubuntu: now try looking for printers again [02:40] <xzyt> frank: here is the annoying part: 2005-07-27 19:33:03 [SETI@home] Message from server: No disk space (you must fre e 587.0 MB before BOINC gets space). Review preferences for minimum disk free s pace allowed. [02:40] <eth42> jedix: sorry! I don't know [02:40] <Xyc0> bob2: then what was it we used? Mozilla wasn't a base install, it had to be nautilus [02:40] <ubuntu> i know where my printer is located, it's on my desk [02:41] <russ_> could not change ownership of drive2 [02:41] <bob2> Xyc0: nautils didn't exist in gnome 1.0 [02:41] <ark3qqq> If I install Azureus from SourceForge, how do I get its icon to show up in the Applications menu? [02:41] <bob2> !+smeg [02:41] <ubotu> smeg is probably a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports. [02:41] <bob2> ark3qqq: install that [02:41] <frank> xzyt: there is a setting for the ammount of space which must always be left and that boinc cannot touch [02:41] <xeiro> Razor-X: yup ... finally fixed ... so lets see if I can use it now :) [02:41] <Razor-X> oh, and if you use smeg, thank Mr. Amaranth [02:41] <ark3qqq> Ah, cool. Thanks. :) [02:42] <frank> xzyt: you could change it by logging to a project [02:42] <ark3qqq> Thanks in advance, Mr. Amaranth. (?) [02:42] <ubuntu> Razor-X, can I PM you [02:42] <xzyt> frank:hmmm ok [02:42] <Xyc0> bob2: Im talking before mozilla and firefox was default [02:42] <frank> xzyt: or delete some stuff [02:43] <bob2> Xyc0: yes, I know, but nautilus didn't even exist then, so it wasn't that [02:43] <ubuntu> where can I go to get instant ubuntu help [02:43] <Agrajag> before mozilla and firefox and nautilus, the file browser was gmc [02:43] <Xyc0> before Firefox? it only just released, im talking 2 years ago, still gnome 2.x [02:43] <Agrajag> and the browser was usually netscape 4 :( [02:44] <bob2> Xyc0: before then it was mozilla [02:44] <bob2> yeah [02:44] <xzyt> frank: its a 20GB HD just intsalled ubuntu..i don't think i ran out [02:44] <ark3qqq> jedix: Do you find that mplayer crashes on decoding AC3 audio? [02:44] <HrdwrBoB> ark3qqq: yes [02:44] <HrdwrBoB> it does [02:44] <jedix> ark3qqq: yes [02:44] <HrdwrBoB> ark3qqq: http://kaos.vicnet.net.au/mplayer_1.0cvs_i386.deb [02:45] <jedix> ark3qqq: that is exactly what I find [02:45] <frank> xzyt: only one partition? [02:45] <jedix> ark3qqq: is there a fux? [02:45] <jedix> fix even [02:45] <ark3qqq> HrdwrBoB: That's a fixed version? [02:45] <HrdwrBoB> jedix: yes [02:45] <frank> xzyt: type df to know how much you have left [02:46] <ark3qqq> HrdwrBoB: Cool. I'll have to check that out. [02:46] <ark3qqq> jedix: I was going to suggest Totem-xine, but if that fixed version works, well... :) [02:46] <HrdwrBoB> yeah it's allegedly a compiler problem [02:46] <xeiro> Razor-X: now when I login to GUI it pauses ... arrgggg [02:46] <xeiro> lol [02:46] <HrdwrBoB> I compiled the latest version of mplayer and made that deb [02:47] <HrdwrBoB> it works with AC3 [02:47] <ark3qqq> HrdwrBoB: Thanks. Would I want to put a "hold" or something on that package for some reason? [02:47] <HrdwrBoB> ark3qqq: hm, don't think so [02:48] <HrdwrBoB> I just removed my current mplayer package, then ran dpkg -i on that package [02:48] <ark3qqq> HrdwrBoB: Okay, I won't worry about it, then. [02:49] <ark3qqq> I guess I'll have to reinstall mplayer-fonts. [02:49] <timmir> i have a question about setting up a freenx client/server in ubuntu? who should I ask? [02:49] <xerio_hoary> guess whos back :) [02:49] <xeiro_hoary> back again :) [02:49] <levander> Nobody knows where a good tutorial to get started with udftools is do they? [02:50] <bob2> freenx is a massive pain in the arse to get going [02:50] <Octane> how do i install a package even if it has deps that cannot be met [02:50] <Octane> with apt-get [02:50] <jedix> hrm [02:50] <jedix> seems I can't enable dma either [02:50] <HrdwrBoB> Octane: you don't [02:50] <HrdwrBoB> Octane: what package [02:50] <Octane> HrdwrBoB: i need to :) [02:50] <Octane> HrdwrBoB: libtunepimp2-dev [02:50] <timmir> would it be easier to tunnel vnc through ssh then [02:50] <levander> Octane: there's some nodeps option to apt-get, sounds like you're asking for trouble thoug [02:51] <Octane> i have libtunepimp2, but ubuntu doesnt know this :) [02:51] <jedix> HrdwrBoB: do you happen to have an amd64 copy of that deb? [02:51] <xzyt> frank: fixed that part...and its 'trying' to download [02:51] <xzyt> frank: but nothing is happening.... is there a certain port that it uses that i need to redirect in my router? [02:51] <Octane> levander: do you know the nodeps flag? [02:52] <frank> xzyt: I don'really know about the ports [02:52] <HrdwrBoB> jedix: no, but you can build it yourself, grab the mplayer sources from mplayerhq and run fakeroot debian/rules [02:52] <bob2> Octane: why did you install libtunepimp from outside ubuntu? [02:52] <bob2> there's no nodeps option to apt-get [02:52] <Octane> bob2: because the ubuntu package does not have mp3 support [02:53] <bob2> dpkg can force it, but apt-get won't work anymore (at all) [02:53] <bob2> Octane: so reocmpile the ubuntu package with mp3 support [02:53] <Octane> i used pirrux's workaround aritculated here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29370 [02:54] <bob2> geez that's a bad solution [02:54] <Octane> i know its friggin terrible [02:54] <shadeofgrey> whats the name odf the libs package i have to get apt-get to install that 1) enables totem to play mp3s and DVD's -- and what extra apt-get commands do i need to make k3b? [02:54] <bob2> Octane: apt-get source libtunepimp2 [02:54] <Octane> bob2: is there any way to undo it? [02:55] <bob2> Octane: sudo apt-get install build-essential ; sudo apt-get build-dep libtunepimp2 [02:55] <ark3qqq> HrdwrBoB: Thanks again. That mplayer works great. :) [02:55] <bob2> Octane: then edit debian/rules so that the configre script enables mp3 support [02:55] <Octane> bob2: already have build-essential who do you think ia m :))))))) [02:55] <bob2> Octane: then "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" [02:55] <xzyt> how can i tell what ports are open? [02:56] <Octane> bob2: how can i undo what he said to do though in that post [02:56] <xzyt> i need to know what port a certain program is using [02:56] <ZibiKebir> i am trying to set up my microsoft mn-510 wireless usb card on ubuntu linux, which is based on debian, i downloaded the tar.gz file, and extracted to a .deb file. i then installed the .deb file. i am pretty much stuck now. i read alot of forums but they dont seem to tell me how to do it step by step. i am still learning thr ropes with this [02:56] <ZibiKebir> thats my post from #debian [02:57] <levander> So if I backup a file, preserving file permissions and everything. Say, I restore it on a system that doesn't have a user that the file's owner UID maps to. What happens? [02:57] <bob2> Octane: sudo dpkg -P libtunepimp2 libtunepimp2-dev libtunepimp-bin [02:57] <bob2> levander: depends how you back it up [02:57] <bob2> levander: some tools back up the name, some back up the id [02:57] <ubuntu> please help, I need to get a canon USB printer to be recognised in printers [02:57] <Octane> bob2: juk and kdemultimedia need that crap [02:58] <bob2> Octane: dpkg -P --force-depends lib... [02:58] <ZibiKebir> pm me with help please [02:58] <bob2> ZibiKebir: ubuntu questions are not approriate for #debian [02:58] <bob2> and find out what chipset that card uses [02:58] <levander> bob2: say I back it up using rsync -a [02:59] <ZibiKebir> it uses prism2 chipset [02:59] <IIIEars> ZibiK, Did you check out the unofficial ubuntuguide? - (not often recommended here anymore due to inaccuracies recommending repositories.) [02:59] <xzyt> soo..... about the ports? how can i find out what port a program is using right now at this moment [02:59] <bob2> ZibiKebir: then get rid of the junk you downloaded [02:59] <mchonis> hey all [02:59] <bob2> xzyt: sudo netstat -plunt | grep program [02:59] <IIIEars> !ubuntuguide [02:59] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why. [02:59] <ZibiKebir> wat u mean [02:59] <bob2> ZibiKebir: remove all that junk, ubuntu includes the driver already [03:00] <ZibiKebir> then how do i set it up to work [03:00] <auk> what pack ages is the mp3encode tool in? [03:00] <bob2> auk: it's not in ubuntu [03:00] <bob2> auk: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats [03:00] <levander> bob2: apparently, by default, rsync backs the owners up by name [03:00] <mchonis> Does anyone know how to install features in ubuntu to make my laptop screen dimmer to conserve battery when unplugged? [03:00] <bob2> levander: yes [03:00] <levander> bob2: no idea how you knew that off top of head [03:00] <bob2> levander: by reading the man page [03:01] <bob2> mchonis: that's often a bios tihng [03:01] <bob2> mchonis: it's laptop-specific, tho, if you want to do it from within linux [03:01] <levander> bob2: the rsync man page told you that some backup tools backup via uid, others via owner names? [03:01] <ubuntu> I need a private helper, who wants to accept [03:01] <ZibiKebir> can anybody help me with my problem? [03:01] <mchonis> when I installed kubuntu it had all kinds of features like sleeping, hibernating, saving to disk.. saving to ram.. dimming.. etc [03:02] <auk> bob2, i thought it would be in multiverse [03:02] <bob2> levander: oh, know, it told me it does name by default [03:02] <bob2> auk: perhaps [03:02] <Octane> bob2 thanks mate [03:02] <Octane> bob2: still wrestling with it but ill figure it out [03:02] <bob2> ZibiKebir: uninstall all the junk you just installed, them come back [03:02] <pdsfdsf> how do I install a program that I downloaded as a .bin file? [03:02] <levander> bob2: so how did you know that some backup tools backup by name, and other by uid? [03:02] <bob2> mchonis: that would be very surprising if ubuntu was different [03:02] <bob2> levander: I dunno [03:02] <bob2> from talking about it with other people, I guess [03:03] <ubuntu> i need some ubuntu help [03:03] <levander> bob2: i guess you just asked the same question i did awhile back maybe [03:03] <ZibiKebir> ok its uninstalled [03:03] <bob2> ZibiKebir: then 'sudo modprobe prism2_usb prism2_doreset=1' [03:04] <xzyt> anyone ever used BOINC ? [03:04] <ZibiKebir> i type that and then what should happen [03:04] <ubuntu> ugh [03:04] <bob2> ubuntu: perhaps try asking on the mailing list [03:04] <shadeofgrey> i need help guys.... [03:04] <bob2> ubuntu: paid support is also available [03:04] <shadeofgrey> heres the deal [03:04] <pdsfdsf> how do I install a program that I downloaded as a .bin file? When I try to open it it says that the file has an unknown type [03:04] <ubuntu> i need instant help [03:05] <shadeofgrey> i have two disks in my pc. one is 160 gig, where windows was, and where ubuntu now resides [03:05] <bob2> ubuntu: well, paid support is perhaps the best way to go, since no one here seems to be willing or able [03:05] <bob2> pdsfdsf: it will have instructions [03:05] <Octane> let's say i have a package install but i want to reinstall it w/ different config (ie libtunepimp2 w/ mp3 support) whats the best way to do that [03:05] <ubuntu> i am on an instant messenger, but noone can give instant help [03:05] <auk> !mp3encode [03:05] <ubuntu> what a ripoff [03:05] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, auk [03:05] <bob2> ubuntu: haha [03:05] <shadeofgrey> the other i made into unpartitioned space, because i wanted to wipe out the other drive. it contained my old installation of ubuntu [03:05] <bob2> ubuntu: ripoff? you got it for free, dude. [03:05] <ZibiKebir> how do i uninstall what i installed already [03:05] <bob2> Octane: as above, purge it [03:05] <frank> I don't know how this qualifies as a ripoff [03:05] <bob2> ZibiKebir: so when you said you had removed it, you were lying? [03:06] <pdsfdsf> bob2 but how do I execute them: [03:06] <auk> ubuntu: just ask the question [03:06] <Octane> bob2: i guess what im asking is whether i need to remove it and then redo it from source or can i do it while its installed [03:06] <shadeofgrey> how do i make the unpartitioned space into an empty usable partition for storage that ubuntu recognises as a drive? [03:06] <ZibiKebir> i have a dual boot system, and didnt really want to restart [03:06] <ubuntu> thanks for being so gay [03:06] <ZibiKebir> anyways once im there i want to do it in one shot [03:06] <ZibiKebir> meanign i dont want to restart 7 times [03:06] <auk> lol [03:06] <bob2> ZibiKebir: so, lying to people helping you is incredibly useless [03:07] <ZibiKebir> sorry [03:07] <mchonis> ya.. cuz kubuntu had the klaptopdaemon.. it did all that stuff [03:07] <bob2> shadeofgrey: sudo cfdisk /dev/whatever [03:07] <IIIEars> pds, - i am very new to linux so take this with a grain of salt. - type "sh your_file.bin" and see if it executes. [03:07] <Octane> lol [03:07] <bob2> shadeofgrey: then you can use mkfs to put a filesystem on it [03:07] <ZibiKebir> i really do appreciate your help [03:07] <pdsfdsf> bob2: but how do I execute these instructions? [03:07] <bob2> Octane: you need to compile the packages like I said, then you can just installing the resulting .debs with dpkg [03:08] <Octane> alright thanks man [03:08] <ZibiKebir> still wanna halp me out guys? [03:08] <boodle> breezy sorta/kinda stable/usable? [03:08] <one> ubuntu seems remarkably simple [03:08] <bob2> boodle: no [03:08] <one> is it pretty simplistic? [03:08] <IIIEars> bob2 - You are amazing. - Very grateful here. [03:09] <Octane> boodle: breezy is a nono [03:09] <Jugan> i just successfully made my webcam work in linux using the spca5xx driver [03:09] <boodle> I tried it some months ago...regretted it :-) [03:09] <one> ubuntu is a single ISO only about 600mb.... what software does it come with? just the basics like GNU C and Xorg? [03:09] <Octane> Jugan: congratulations [03:09] <ZibiKebir> comes with tons of packages [03:09] <Octane> one: www.ubuntu-linux.org [03:09] <Octane> one: a single cd is all you need [03:09] <one> does it have the freebsd type /usr/ports where I can automatically install packages [03:09] <one> what type of packaging system does it have? [03:09] <Octane> one: dont use fedora's 4 cd model as an example [03:10] <one> debian's ? [03:10] <bob2> ZibiKebir: then install linux-wlan-ng [03:10] <jedix> HrdwrBoB: fakeroot? [03:10] <Octane> one: it uses packages, yes [03:10] <Jugan> it worked well when I tried the command spcaview -d /dev/video1 in the terminal but the thing is, gnomemeeting can only see /dev/video0...how can i make it work in gnome meeting? [03:10] <bob2> one: more or less [03:10] <one> so it suports .deb ? [03:10] <funkyHat> one, yes it uses deb packages [03:10] <IIIEars> one - you can add any debian pkg easily using "Synaptic" - it has nearly everything you might expect for a desktop system including internet apps and Open Office. [03:10] <ZibiKebir> thats what i downloaded and installed bob2 [03:10] <boodle> ubuntu's now kinda feeling like debian... not as leading edge (with less blood!) than debian-sid. [03:10] <gbic> you can always use alien to convert rpm to deb [03:10] <pdsfdsf> I'm sorry for the insistence, but can someone tell me how can I execute a .bin file? [03:10] <funkyHat> but it also supports rpm and something else i think using alien (it can convert them to deb) [03:10] <] BreliC[> Jugan, what kind of camera? [03:10] <Octane> one: yes, its debian based [03:10] <bob2> ZibiKebir: then 'sudo wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_autojoin ssid="SSID" authtype=opensystem' [03:10] <bob2> ZibiKebir: er, no, it's not [03:11] <one> yes from reading about it i see that [03:11] <bob2> ZibiKebir: you downloaded some tarball [03:11] <supernix> can someone tell me why the Junk mail controls never work in Thunderbird ? [03:11] <ZibiKebir> so where do i download the file your talking about [03:11] <bob2> ZibiKebir: with synaptic [03:11] <funkyHat> supernix, they work for me :) [03:12] <Chaos615> hey can anyone help me out [03:12] <supernix> If you click on run junk mail filters on folder they never filter anything [03:12] <ZibiKebir> its already on the system? [03:12] <bob2> ZibiKebir: no [03:12] <jedix> HrdwrBoB: how do I build mplayer again? [03:12] <bob2> if you have no other network access, you'll have to get your LUG to help you or something [03:12] <ZibiKebir> well im not on the internet, how can i install it [03:12] <bob2> or someone else here [03:12] <Jugan> ] BreliC[: it's a webcam based on spca chipset...sunplus technology [03:12] <bob2> sorry [03:12] <funkyHat> supernix, it's a learning filter, you have to tell it what is junk to start with [03:12] <ZibiKebir> lug? [03:12] <ajs_debian> Hi [03:12] <ajs_debian> is there a chennel for Java? [03:12] <jedix> HrdwrBoB: ./configure doesn't seem to detect any video out stuff.. [03:12] <Octane> Anyone know why is it that whenever I run make -f the following gets outputed: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/798 [03:12] <Chaos615> how do i send lik e an entire drectory thats like 6 gigs to another pc on my network thats running windows xp? [03:12] <ZibiKebir> can you download it and send it to me [03:12] <Octane> i get alll thse warnings about aclocal [03:13] <HrdwrBoB> jedix: apt-get build-dep mplayer [03:13] <funkyHat> ZibiKebir, lug = linux user group [03:13] <] BreliC[> Jugan, ahh.. i have a logitech quickcam and can't get it to work with hoary. had it working under all 2.4 kernels and the first few 2.6.. but not since then :( [03:13] <IIIEars> Chaos615 - Enabled your "Shared Folder" or a shared folder on XP? - open places and select network "Windows network". [03:14] <ZibiKebir> can someone please download and send me linux-wlan-ng [03:14] <sorush20> guys you'll be interested to know "open source", is not that far behide "Microsoft" Just do a google search on "open source" there are 212,000,000 results, and for "Microsoft" 247,000,000 results.. Keep up the good work.. guys.. ha ha ha .. ho ha ha ha.....:-D [03:14] <pdsfdsf> I'm sorry for the insistence, but can someone tell me how can I execute a .bin file? [03:14] <Jugan> it worked well when I tried the command spcaview -d /dev/video1 in the terminal but the thing is, gnomemeeting can only see /dev/video0...how can i make it work in gnome meeting? I think /dev/video0 is being used by my TV tuner... [03:14] <one> pdsfdsfs : bash# ./*.bin [03:14] <ZibiKebir> can someone please download and send me linux-wlan-ng [03:14] <one> pdsfdsf: bash# chmod +x *.bin ; ./*.bin [03:15] <IIIEars> pdsfdsf - being new there are like two or more ways to do this. try sh you_file.bin to bring up a bash terminal [03:15] <Chaos615> whats the best way to send 6gigs of files over to a pc running windows XP [03:15] <IIIEars> i don't know them all [03:16] <jedix> HrdwrBoB: thank you [03:16] <shadeofgrey> chaos: usb external drive -- or like a usb key drive [03:16] <shadeofgrey> or 2 DVD's [03:16] <Chaos615> no way to use a web utlitiy? [03:16] <HrdwrBoB> jedix: no worries [03:16] <vader1102> Chaos615: are they networked? [03:16] <Chaos615> like aim, cuz gaim doesnt have send directory [03:16] <Chaos615> yes [03:16] <Chaos615> same network [03:17] <vader1102> then can they see each other? [03:17] <Chaos615> techincally i think so [03:17] <useruser> Chaos615: stick a webserver on the linux machine [03:17] <Chaos615> but one is running windows [03:17] <vader1102> okay then copy anf paste from linux to windows [03:17] <vader1102> and^^ [03:17] <ZibiKebir> can you download it and send it to me [03:17] <auk> pdsfdsf: 'chmod +x blah_blah' gives you permission to exectute it--you won' talways need to do that [03:18] <Chaos615> where can i go in ubuntu to see my other pcs on the network? [03:18] <one> well if you just downloaded it [03:18] <one> by default it wont be +x [03:18] <one> youll need to make it executable [03:18] <vader1102> what version of ubuntu? [03:18] <vader1102> hoary warty?? [03:18] <auk> ? [03:18] <Chaos615> runnin live [03:19] <vader1102> ok then at the top left do you have apps....system? [03:19] <Chaos615> yea [03:19] <IIIEars> ZibiKebir - Offering the file and html help document. [03:19] <vader1102> ok, then look for network [03:19] <ZibiKebir> i accepted [03:19] <IIIEars> do you have it? [03:19] <auk> pdsfdsf: if/once it is executable, jsut move to the directory where it is and type './blah_blah' [03:19] <Chaos615> network tools? [03:20] <ZibiKebir> no [03:20] <vader1102> network or networking [03:20] <ZibiKebir> connection failed [03:20] <IIIEars> okay - must be something amiss. - maybe someone else can send it to you. [03:20] <ZibiKebir> can you email it to me [03:20] <cato_> How do i enable a splash image for grub? [03:20] <auk> or...type, for example, '/home/uber_idiot:)/huh?/yippee/blah_blah [03:21] <auk> oops...ad a ' to the end :) [03:21] <pdsfdsf> auk: it worked! Thanks a lot! [03:21] <auk> cool [03:21] <Chaos615> just network tools [03:22] <vader1102> then maybe I am not the person to help you then... I am week in this area [03:23] <Chaos615> okies [03:23] <Chaos615> thanks though [03:23] <vader1102> np [03:23] <Chaos615> anyone know the best way to send like 6 gigs of files to a windows pc on the same network [03:23] <jedix> HrdwrBoB: it still crashes [03:23] <ZibiKebir> crossover cable [03:23] <crimsun> Chaos615: disconnect the HD and plug it into the same chassis [03:23] <cafuego> Chaos615: firewire networking [03:23] <flugh> cool. firefox beats IE 47% to 40% on my site statistics [03:23] <flugh> the world will be a better place soon... ;) [03:23] <one> Firefox takes longer to start than IE though [03:23] <one> i have noticed [03:23] <HrdwrBoB> jedix: damn [03:23] <Chaos615> on a laptop, the pc i need to put it into doesnt have it [03:24] <one> wish it was more instant [03:24] <auk> hehe...i just thought of something...kind of embarrasing for me...about 0.0000000000000000000001% of the people on ubuntu's site are there with IE [03:24] <HrdwrBoB> jedix: I run i386 on my amd64 anyway [03:24] <cafuego> one: No, it doesn't. [03:24] <Chaos615> can i use firewire directly between two though? [03:24] <one> Yes on Windows XP it takes longer to start [03:24] <cafuego> one: IE is loaded when the OS loaded. [03:24] <flugh> only because IE has the operating system's resource p0wn3d from boot [03:24] <HrdwrBoB> jedix: you're better off running 32bit mplayer anyway so you can use the dlls [03:24] <one> it takes about 2-3 seconds [03:24] <cafuego> one: So you're comparing apples with pears. [03:24] <jedix> HrdwrBoB: actually, sorry.. I forgot to remove the old one and it's in the path before the new one [03:24] <one> yeah of course Explorer would be faster [03:24] <auk> cafuego: no, apples with bits of fuzz [03:24] <auk> :) [03:24] <cafuego> one: it takes firefox longer to load than it takes IE to draw a new window, is what you're saying. [03:24] <jedix> HrdwrBoB: how can I force the deb to be removed without removing all that depends on it [03:25] <flugh> i'd rather wait 5-10 seconds longer for browser to start, than have browser eating resources whilst I do development ;) [03:25] <boodle> anyone get nvidia drivers to compile for 2.6.13-rc3-mm1 or mm2? [03:25] <HrdwrBoB> jedix: just dpkg -r [03:25] <cafuego> boodle: Did they change the ABI again? Woohoo! [03:25] <cato_> How can i use the "convert" cmd?.. i saw on the "unofficial ubuntu guide" that i could convert wallpapers to be grub splashimages.. [03:25] <one> Ubuntu supports custom boot splash? [03:25] <boodle> cafuego, ABI ? [03:25] <flugh> my point being, this is the first time i recall looking at my stats and firefox beating IE. i'll go back to lurking now [03:25] <cafuego> boodle: something binary interface [03:26] <cato_> one, i think so.. says so on the wiki though [03:26] <boodle> cafuego, you mean nvidia or mr. morton? [03:26] <cafuego> boodle: mr morton. I think it's his unofficial hobby. [03:26] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: application [03:26] <boodle> cafuego, heh yea seems so...kbuild seems fsck'd as far as nvidia's drivers go [03:26] <Chaos615> anyone know a utility to send big files from linux to xp [03:27] <auk> *openoffice.org [03:27] <HrdwrBoB> Chaos615: normal filesharing does it [03:27] <cafuego> boodle: Just stick with the non-mm kernel then. I think -rc3 vanilla works OK [03:27] <citrus_> what the hell is wrong with my system every so often my mouse trips out like crazy starts clicking everwhere and my keyboard freezes [03:27] <boodle> cafuego, will try right now :) [03:27] <ilba7r> hi just wanted to know the status of wine before installing it i used it once and it was broken so any one used the new one? [03:28] <ajs_debian> Hi! [03:28] <ajs_debian> is there some channel of Java? [03:28] <IIIEars> cirus_ - Are you using a KVM switch to alrenate between two machines? - If you are start Ubuntu with that machine active on screen. [03:28] <cato_> !dma [03:28] <auk> !wine [03:28] <ubotu> auk: I don't know, could you explain it? [03:28] <cafuego> bob2: I lied, my latest one is 2.6.12.2 [03:29] <cafuego> d'oh [03:29] <auk> ajs_debian: ##java [03:30] <hussam> I had a sudden power off. how can I check the hard disk for errors? [03:30] <cafuego> hussam: It does that automatically upon boot. [03:30] <ilba7r> auk wine is used to run window prog on linux http://www.winehq.org [03:31] <cafuego> hussam: it probably logged somthing about 'replaying journal entries' [03:31] <shad0w1e> anyone know of a good program I can use to use my linux box as a router? [03:31] <efbie> Hello ! [03:31] <cafuego> shad0w1e: the kernel and iptables. [03:31] <shad0w1e> cafuego lol [03:31] <auk> ilba7r, i kno wtaht, i was just seeign if ubotu had anything extra to say [03:31] <cafuego> shad0w1e: I'm serious [03:31] <efbie> can someone tell me how to install fonts for openoffice ? I tried to put them in ~/.fonts but it doesn't work... [03:31] <shad0w1e> I cant get that working.. [03:31] <shad0w1e> too complicated [03:32] <ilba7r> ok auk [03:32] <flithm> hey everyone... I just did a fresh ubuntu 5.04 install and I've got some weird issues. The first one is, my ssh server doesn't seem to want to forward X11 packets. I checked the config and it says it's enabled, I've tried sshing in with various switches... I can't get it to work! Anyone got any ideas? [03:32] <cafuego> shad0w1e: 'sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1' and now it magically routes [03:32] <shad0w1e> plus I want a program where I can choose which ports to block, and UDP or IP, etc etc [03:32] <flithm> Funny thing is I did a 5.0 install a few months back and has none of the issues I'm having now! [03:32] <moparfan90> hello. i just installed ubuntu on an old computer of mine. everything workked greatt. but it doesnt detect my ethernet card or doesnt have the sofware. what sould i do? [03:32] <efbie> it works for every gnome applications, but not for OpenOffice, is this a bug ? [03:33] <auk> at teh risk of soundign like an idiot...what is the default filesystem in ubuntu? ext3 or ext2? [03:33] <cafuego> auk: ext3 [03:33] <flithm> moparfan90: I had that problem too. I had to install an old temporary 10/100 nic, before downloading and installing the driver for the real nic [03:33] <auk> whew [03:33] <Thewarmachine> what gnome program can I use to burn an mp3 cd [03:33] <Thewarmachine> ? [03:33] <cafuego> auk: not that it matters, they are easily converted. [03:33] <shad0w1e> auk: but ext3 is actually ext2 + an index file [03:33] <moparfan90> how do i get the drivers that will work with linux? [03:34] <moparfan90> i ont know what type of card it is [03:34] <flithm> moparfan90: try lspci [03:34] <cafuego> moparfan90: 'lspci' [03:34] <moparfan90> .com? [03:34] <shad0w1e> no [03:34] <auk> shaw0wle: one (1) file?? [03:34] <shad0w1e> in your console! [03:34] <flithm> moparfan90: haha no type lspci [03:34] <cafuego> moparfan90: it will tell you what card it is [03:34] <shad0w1e> auk not exactly sure but ext3 can be detected on an OS that can only read ext2 [03:34] <vader1102> heheh.... I love the Hoary ove the warty, it is much faster and much cleaner [03:34] <cafuego> shad0w1e: yes [03:35] <hussam> cafuego: can I force a check on next reboot? [03:35] <vader1102> over^^ [03:35] <cafuego> hussam: Absolutely. or you can go to single-user mode, mount the disk read-only and force a check now, without rebooting. [03:35] <shad0w1e> theres got to be a good routing prog out there, no? [03:35] <moparfan90> ok ill try that [03:35] <cafuego> shad0w1e: You're after a firewall admin tool, not a routing prog. [03:35] <Chaos615> can anyone help me transfer files from a ubuntu system to an xp system, i dont have tthe cables to do it crossover [03:36] <Thewarmachine> is there a program capable of handling it [03:36] <Thewarmachine> ? [03:36] <shad0w1e> cafuego I need it to pass through the internet connection as well (from eth0 to eth1) [03:36] <auk> Chaos615: how many files, how large? [03:36] <Chaos615> thousands, its my mp3 library [03:36] <bimberi> Chaos615: Set up a share on XP, find it via Places -> Network Servers on ubuntu, transfer [03:36] <flithm> Chaos615: linux can't write to NTFS... unless you can format a temp drive as fat32, or send files over the network you're kinda screwed [03:36] <cafuego> shad0w1e: Yes, the kernel can do that without any external help. [03:36] <auk> Thewarmachine: yeah [03:36] <Chaos615> im tryin to back up my friends laptop [03:36] <auk> ... [03:36] <zaudragon> Ubuntu is related to Debian, yes? [03:36] <hussam> cafuego: how do I schedule that at reboot. I need to reboot anyway [03:36] <vader1102> Chaos615: have you looked in networking tools to see if you can see the xp box? [03:36] <cafuego> hussam: Let me see... [03:36] <Thewarmachine> auk what would it be? [03:36] <zaudragon> someone I know wants to have dual monitors [03:37] <auk> zaudragon: yeah ... [03:37] <Chaos615> yea its not there, im lookin for it [03:37] <shad0w1e> there is no such thing as an "xp box" [03:37] <shad0w1e> if it runs "xp" its not a box [03:37] <shad0w1e> its a "computer" [03:37] <Chaos615> i dont need to write anything [03:37] <shad0w1e> lol [03:37] <moparfan90> flithm, cafuego, would the card be called a bridge??? [03:37] <auk> warmachine, The: hold on.. [03:37] <cafuego> hussam: sudo touch /forcefsck [03:37] <vader1102> ok, have you found the place to join the network or workgroup? [03:37] <cafuego> moparfan90: No. Can you paste the output from lspci to #flood or a pastewebsite? [03:37] <Chaos615> nah all i got is network tools [03:38] <vader1102> hmmm, can you ping the IP for xp? [03:38] <auk> Thewarmachine: if you've just got a bunch of mp3 files, just use nautilus [03:38] <flithm> moparfan90: it'll probably say "Ethernet" in there somewhere... you might try: /sbin/lspci | grep Ethernet (or ethernet with a lowercase e) [03:38] <moparfan90> no. i cant it doesnt have the internet on it. [03:38] <cafuego> moparfan90: lspci | grep -i net [03:38] <Chaos615> nautilus? [03:39] <Thewarmachine> that kinda sounds sketchy [03:39] <auk> Chaos615: the GNOME file browser [03:39] <auk> !nautilus [03:39] <ubotu> auk: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about [03:39] <shad0w1e> ok thanks guys [03:39] <auk> !info nautilus [03:39] <shad0w1e> im out to try some stuff [03:39] <ubotu> nautilus: (file manager and graphical shell for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.10.0-0ubuntu9 (hoary), Packaged size: 799 kB, Installed size: 2588 kB [03:39] <Chaos615> i cant do anything with the terminal server client? [03:40] <cafuego> Chaos615: No. [03:40] <auk> NTFS is not safe to write to [03:40] <moparfan90> i know what all the stuff is but... pci bridge, bridge, intel corp., nd parrelle controler [03:40] <hussam> cafuego: ok thank you, I 'll reboot now [03:40] <vader1102> try a goole on the subject [03:40] <cafuego> Chaos615: Are you wanting to copy from Linux on the amchien to WinXP on the machine? [03:40] <auk> oops...i go tmy people mixed up :( [03:40] <calc> i was surprised today to see how little ram kde actually needs to run well [03:41] <flithm> moparfan90: doesn't look like any of those! [03:41] <auk> Thewarmachine: why? [03:41] <Chaos615> nah [03:41] <Chaos615> two seperate machines [03:41] <moparfan90> cafuego, can it be called a bridge or a parelle controller??? [03:41] <Chaos615> im on a laptop right now runnin ubuntu live [03:41] <calc> sarge booted with kdm and kde logged in only takes ~ 48MB ram and if you have 96MB or more it runs fast [03:41] <cafuego> Chaos615: Got not network cables? [03:41] <Chaos615> can i just go network to network [03:41] <cafuego> Chaos615: sure [03:41] <calc> i imagine kde on ubuntu is the same but i didn't have ubuntu at work [03:42] <Chaos615> ok cool, what would i do to send the files however? [03:42] <cafuego> Chaos615: Just enable samba on the laptop, then connect to it from XP and copy. [03:42] <auk> Thewarmachine: ping [03:42] <moparfan90> cafuego, can it be called a bridge or a parellel controller??? [03:42] <Chaos615> where cn i anable that? i apologize about this im a linux newbie [03:42] <moparfan90> ???// [03:42] <cafuego> moparfan90: No. [03:42] <levander> Anybody is using udftools with hoary? There's something in here about me needing to patch the kernel. [03:42] <huttan> hey, does anyone know a good graphical ftp program that supports ssl ? [03:42] <moparfan90> o. then maybe its not thee [03:42] <moparfan90> there* [03:42] <cafuego> Chaos615: System -> Admin -> File Sharing or sumesuch, I expect. [03:42] <auk> huttan, hmm, gftp? [03:43] <vader1102> <----is downloading kubuntu on my work pc and going to install it on a oc there just for the chuck of it lol [03:43] <huttan> auk, doesnt seem like the ubuntu package has builtin ssl support [03:43] <cafuego> huttan: No, there are NO good graphical ftp programs. [03:43] <auk> lol [03:43] <vader1102> I use gftp [03:43] <Chaos615> one sec [03:43] <shadyb> lin newb here, initial password not saved correctly, now cannot get into ubuntu, any help would be great [03:43] <cafuego> That's an average one, not a good one <heh> [03:43] <huttan> cafuego, sure there are [03:44] <huttan> auk, your deb package has builtin ssl support? [03:44] <cafuego> shadyb: Reboot, choose 'Rescue'. When you get a shell, type 'passwd <yourusername>' and set a new password. [03:44] <auk> huttan: i have no idea, i haven't looked [03:44] <niran> huttan, you can use nautilus as your ftp program [03:44] <niran> huttan, just put it in browser mode [03:45] <shadeofgrey> hey huys i need help with gparted.. [03:45] <avdd> Has anyone successfully installed U. on a new Xeon? [03:45] <huttan> niran, i will try that, thanks [03:45] <shadyb> great, thanks brother [03:45] <cafuego> avdd: Debian sarge count as well? [03:45] <Chaos615> it sys i need to install samba [03:45] <Jugan> has anyone tried to build gyach? [03:45] <auk> cafuego: but then he needs to know his old passwd ?? [03:45] <Jugan> i am trying to install gyach and Im having a bunch of errors [03:45] <cafuego> Chaos615: 'sudo apt-get install samba' [03:46] <cafuego> auk: Does single-user mode not just give him a shell? [03:46] <shadeofgrey> if i want to take an entire blank unallocated drive and i want it to be the place where i dump stuff - like my 90 gigs of mp3s 40 gigs of family pictures and all my other misc crap, do i want to format it as ext2 or ext3? [03:46] <auk> Chaos615, !info samba [03:46] <auk> !info samba [03:46] <ubotu> samba: (a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.10-1ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 2300 kB, Installed size: 5956 kB [03:46] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to use alien on a debian package? [03:46] <skalpel> or do i even need to, with uibuntu? [03:46] <cafuego> skalpel: Don't install debian packages. get an ubuntu one. [03:47] <skalpel> cafeugo: what if there is not one? [03:47] <cafuego> skalpel: Then look harder ;-) [03:47] <cafuego> skalpel: Which package are we talking about? [03:47] <auk> skalpel; "dpkg -i deb_package.deb" [03:47] <levander> A question about burning CD's with udftools goes in the "Desktop Support" forum, or "Other application support" forum on ubuntuforums.org? [03:47] <Chaos615> ghettin it now [03:47] <jedix> hrm [03:48] <skalpel> auk: thank you [03:48] <jedix> thanks for all the help [03:48] <cafuego> auk: In many cases that results in unsatisfied, broken depends. [03:48] <moparfan90> i just rebooted the computer and its still not showwing up. what sould i do? [03:48] <shadeofgrey> can somebody please help me with my previous question? [03:48] <cafuego> moparfan90: make sure it's in properly and that it's not broken. [03:48] <auk> cafuego: sometimes there are not specific version, e.g., the xchat systray plugin [03:48] <moparfan90> ok [03:48] <Thewarmachine> well can anyone point me o a gnome mp3 cd burner [03:49] <cafuego> auk: Hence my question as to what it was, before telling him to just install it. [03:49] <Razor-X> Thewarmachine: Gnomebaker [03:49] <Razor-X> but, I prefer K3B (which isn't Gnome based) because I like my CDs burned, not baked ;) [03:49] <auk> gnomebaker? [03:49] <auk> oh [03:49] <Razor-X> auk: mmmhmmm [03:50] <Thewarmachine> lol [03:50] <shadeofgrey> guys [03:50] <Chaos615> ok [03:50] <shadeofgrey> what kind of file system do i set my savestuff partition to ext2 or ext3? [03:50] <Chaos615> i went [03:50] <brian__> hi everyone [03:50] <Chaos615> and put the windows folder on shared [03:50] <Razor-X> shadeofgrey: ext3, generally [03:50] <Chaos615> if i go on xp where will i locate that? [03:50] <brian__> ubuntu/noob [03:50] <shadeofgrey> excellent [03:51] <shadeofgrey> thanks [03:51] <Razor-X> pretty much the main difference is ext3 is ext2 plus journaling [03:51] <Thewarmachine> how would I go about that using gnome baker [03:51] <Thewarmachine> ? [03:51] <Thewarmachine> i dont see a specific option [03:51] <cafuego> Chaos615: In XP,go Start -> Run -> \\<the ip of the laptop>\ [03:51] <brian__> i have one ery important question [03:51] <cafuego> brian__: 42 [03:51] <brian__> very* [03:51] <shadeofgrey> Razor-X: Do i make it a primary or extended partition? [03:52] <shadeofgrey> primary i would assume? [03:52] <brian__> can I play ut goty on ubuntu [03:52] <brian__> or other games? [03:52] <shadeofgrey> brian__: yes [03:52] <brian__> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [03:52] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, brian__ [03:52] <Razor-X> shadeofgrey: primary [03:52] <brian__> oh im so happy [03:52] <Razor-X> are you partitioning this yourself? because Ubuntu can do it for you [03:52] <cafuego> I don't think that's important at all. [03:52] <Razor-X> brian__: yeah, you can [03:53] <Xyc0> What is a good webpage design program? [03:53] <shadeofgrey> and then i click apply right? [03:53] <Razor-X> wysiwyg? [03:54] <brian__> sorry im a noob [03:54] <Razor-X> Xyc0: you want WYSIWYG? [03:54] <brian__> is there a specific chat for helping other install and run games [03:54] <ed1t> in the topic, it says remove firefox...does it mean 'apt-get remove firefox' ? [03:55] <auk> Xyco: Nvu, Bluefish, emacs [03:55] <Razor-X> you know, I have yet to see a correctly implemented WYSIWYG editor [03:55] <crimsun> ed1t: yes [03:55] <brian__> or maybe some forums [03:55] <Razor-X> brian__: not really, in my experience [03:55] <ed1t> crimsun, cant find firefox package on the system [03:55] <shadeofgrey> do i need a disklabel? [03:55] <crimsun> ed1t: then you're fine [03:55] <brian__> razor [03:55] <auk> edlt: that is if you have the "firefox' package from backports [03:55] <Razor-X> shadeofgrey: not really, you know, Ubuntu can take care of this [03:55] <shadeofgrey> okay [03:55] <Xyc0> Razor-X: No, just a program that will point out when I really messed up my code [03:55] <shadeofgrey> i made the partition [03:56] <ed1t> crimsun, so now how do i force to update mozilla-firefox package? [03:56] <Razor-X> Xyc0: emacs [03:56] <Razor-X> shadeofgrey: now don't forget swap [03:56] <shadeofgrey> now how do i move stuff to it? [03:56] <auk> Razor-X: i thought you liek vim ove rmeacs? [03:56] <ed1t> nvm it showed up in update manager [03:56] <Razor-X> auk: eh? [03:56] <Razor-X> are you crazy? [03:56] <auk> ugghh.... [03:56] <shadeofgrey> i didnt give the second partition any swap [03:56] <brian__> ok what succes stories do some have with installing games [03:56] <Xyc0> Razor-X: thanks [03:56] <shadeofgrey> how big should the swap for the drive be if its 120 gig? [03:56] <auk> Razor-X, oh, you are the one who lieks Opera [03:56] <Razor-X> auk: yeah [03:57] <Razor-X> I heard Opera's CEO talk on TWiT [03:57] <^thehatsrule^> opera's nice [03:57] <calc> shadeofgrey: swap is based off ram not size of disk [03:57] <ttj> ARGH! I'm trying to install, but ubuntu finds my wlan-adapter and tries to fetch packages using that interface, which doesn't work because I'm not on a WLAN :/ [03:57] <Razor-X> shadeofgrey: swap is based of RAM [03:57] <shadeofgrey> okay [03:57] <calc> shadeofgrey: 2x ram should be more than enough [03:57] <ttj> How do I fix this? [03:57] <apokryphos> auk: Opera is great [03:57] <ed1t> crimsun, now i updated the firefox, can i turn the backports on? [03:57] <shadeofgrey> my hda1 has swap [03:57] <auk> don't start [03:57] <shadeofgrey> this new partition doesnt ... should i add it? [03:58] <apokryphos> auk: you prefer mozilla/firefox? :| [03:58] <finn> is there an easy way to grab the source for lirc, apply some patches, and use make-kpkg to create a custom package? every time i use it it defaults to the ubuntu config file and so my patches don't work [03:58] <Thewarmachine> what makes opera better than firefox? [03:58] <auk> apokryphos: yes. taht is the end of it. [03:59] <kgnally> can anyone see me talking? [03:59] <auk> *that [03:59] <bimberi> kgnally: yes [03:59] <shadeofgrey> okay wait [03:59] <auk> kgnally: yes [03:59] <vader1102> kgnally: yes [03:59] <apokryphos> Thewarmachine: better usability, faster rendering [03:59] <auk> damn backports [03:59] <kgnally> ok good GOD I want to know WTF is going on [03:59] <ttj> ARGH! I'm trying to install, but ubuntu finds my wlan-adapter and tries to fetch packages using that interface, which doesn't work because I'm not on a WLAN :/ Is there any easy way to avoid this? [03:59] <Thewarmachine> but is it free? [03:59] <Thewarmachine> as in beer [03:59] <troy> is there any (easy) way to create a custom ubuntu install disk? I need kernel 2.6.11 running the installation in order for it to install to my SATA disk [03:59] <shadeofgrey> razor or somebody please tell me what i need to do next. i used gparted to make the partition... how do i mount the drive? i have to change my fstab file right? [03:59] <Thewarmachine> and freedom [03:59] <kgnally> I installed the Unbutu ATI binary drivers just like it says in the Wiki page [03:59] <apokryphos> Thewarmachine: free to download, indeed. [03:59] <Whimsy> Hey everyone! I'm pretty new with Linux in general, and I need some assistance with fstab. I'd like to set it up so that it automounts my NTFS partitions. mount shows that it's mounted, but I can't ls it, and it's not showing in the "places" window with my CD-ROM drives. [03:59] <auk> Thewarmachine: the free version has ad [03:59] <auk> *s [03:59] <cafuego> Thewarmachine: It depends on your definition of "better" which you have failed to provide. [03:59] <Thewarmachine> that sucks [04:00] <Thewarmachine> cafuego [04:00] <apokryphos> Thewarmachine: don't get me wrong, it's not my browser of choice, but I'd easily use it before ff or mozilla [04:00] <kgnally> and now I HAVE fglrx running, BUT I have a huge* virtual desktop that I can't change! [04:00] <auk> Thewarmachine: but, mor eimportantly, it's not free as in speech :} [04:00] <auk> oops [04:00] <auk> * :] [04:00] <Thewarmachine> lol [04:00] <Thewarmachine> its cool [04:00] <troy> kgnally: that's a setting in xorg.conf [04:00] <auk> apokryphos: what is your browser of choice? [04:01] <Thewarmachine> good question [04:01] <bimberi> !ntfs [04:01] <ubotu> somebody said ntfs was the filesystem used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab [04:01] <thechitowncubs> Does anyone use the x-chat system tray plugin? [04:01] <apokryphos> Konqueror [04:01] <kgnally> I commented out all references to other color depths and display resolutionsin xorg.conf, but it didn't di anything, and I can't change the screen resolution while running X/Gnome [04:01] <bimberi> Whimsy: see the info from ubotu above [04:01] <Thewarmachine> i figured [04:01] <auk> tehcitownclubs: me, youhave icon probs? [04:01] <Whimsy> On it [04:01] <jasoncohen> thechitowncubs, i used it but i didn't find it very useful [04:01] <cafuego> thechitowncubs: Probably. Why don't you ask your ACTUAL qwuestion? [04:01] <Whimsy> Thanks [04:01] <brian__> I am a victim of WGA and ive defected to ubuntu [04:01] <bimberi> yw :) [04:01] <brian__> I need freinds here [04:01] <moparfan90> ok. thanks anyone who helped me. i got it to work. :) [04:01] <moparfan90> bye [04:01] <ttj> ubotu: yes, as in it can resize an existing ntfs partition so you can have space to create a new one (preferably using ext3 or reiserfs) to install ubuntu [04:01] <ubotu> ttj: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about [04:02] <cafuego> ttj: ubotu is a piece of (dumb) software [04:02] <Thewarmachine> i think im just gonna install k3b [04:02] <ttj> haha [04:02] <ttj> sorry [04:02] <kgnally> troy, what's the setting? I can't seem to find a reference to it [04:02] <ttj> its 4am here [04:02] <ttj> :D [04:02] <cafuego> !stupid bot [04:02] <ubotu> stupid cafuego [04:02] <Thewarmachine> cafuego....watch it [04:02] <Energiser> Oh My God [04:02] <bimberi> lol [04:02] <apokryphos> I happen to think he's quite intelligent :| [04:02] <kgnally> to change the virtual desktop to OFF, I mean [04:02] <Thewarmachine> lol [04:02] <ttj> well! [04:02] <Chaos615> ive set up samba to share files from a linux laptop to an xp pc on the same network, I cant get my xp to see this connection to transfer, any ideas?? [04:02] <cafuego> Thewarmachine: What am i watching? [04:02] <trevi> brian_ what do you mean? [04:02] <apokryphos> cafuego: hey! You haven't told me how to make him respond to things [04:02] <Thewarmachine> lol [04:02] <Thewarmachine> sorry [04:02] <Energiser> Brian whats your deal? [04:02] <troy> kgnally: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf under Section "Screen" [04:02] <brian__> My name is Brian [04:03] <Thewarmachine> another im [04:03] <apokryphos> Thewarmachine: *just* k3b? Why confine yourself? ;-) [04:03] <cafuego> brian__: I saw a movie about your life once ;-) [04:03] <troy> kgnally: join #troy_flood [04:03] <Energiser> Laughing Out Loud [04:03] <brian__> fun [04:03] <Thewarmachine> i have a bunch of other things [04:03] <Thewarmachine> graveman [04:03] <Thewarmachine> gnomebaker [04:03] <brian__> was is monty python [04:03] <Thewarmachine> ... [04:03] <auk> thechitowncubs: /usr/lib/xchat/plugins/images...and it needs a restart :) [04:03] <cafuego> apokryphos: /msg ubotu <foo> is <bar> [04:03] <Whimsy> Ok... So this script, do I set it with execute permissions and pray that it works with magic? [04:03] <brian__> t? [04:03] <Energiser> Laughing Out Loud [04:03] <frank> what do you guys use to have tv out on a nvidia card (watch movies for example) nvtv or edit xorg.conf? [04:03] <brian__> LOL [04:03] <Hrmmp> aaa [04:04] <Hrmmp> !ping [04:04] <ubotu> Keep your fingers to yourself, hrmmp. [04:04] <trevi> what's up Brian? [04:04] <apokryphos> cafuego: no, as in give him specific responses to things. Say I /msg ubotu X, he responds with... Y Z [04:04] <brian__> hi trevi [04:04] <auk> Hrmmp: be careful [04:04] <Hrmmp> No, go away [04:04] <brian__> 9R [04:04] <Thewarmachine> apokryphos, whats a good program for mp3 cd burning [04:04] <Hrmmp> auk, of what? [04:04] <cafuego> apokryphos: /msg ubotu apokryphos is <reply> No $nick, I am ubotu [04:04] <Chaos615> does regular AIM work on ubuntu? [04:04] <apokryphos> Thewarmachine: k3b is the best [04:05] <Thewarmachine> it seems so [04:05] <brian__> ok so how do I install UT Goty on my new Ubuntu OS? [04:05] <cafuego> ubotu apokryphos is <reply> No $nick, I am ubotu [04:05] <ubotu> okay, cafuego [04:05] <brian__> Please [04:05] <cafuego> !apokryphos [04:05] <ubotu> No cafuego, I am ubotu [04:05] <apokryphos> cafuego: nice, thanks. [04:05] <cafuego> !forget apokryphos [04:05] <ubotu> cafuego: i forgot apokryphos [04:05] <auk> Hrmmp: if you play with bots/ubotu too much, excpect to get kicked some time :( [04:06] <Whimsy> MAGIC! Thanks aboatload guys! [04:06] <cafuego> You can play with the bot on #debian-bots until you see blue in the face. [04:06] <Hrmmp> Dear God, I come in this channel for the first time . . . say two things, and look of the welcomes I'm getting [04:06] <Thewarmachine> then here is a question worth asking//// [04:06] <brian__> or maybe I could go elsewhere [04:06] <brian__> any suggestions [04:06] <krystoff> hi i m looking for an IM like kopete but under gnome ? any idea please [04:06] <scythe> should i be worried that it has taken me two days to download the dvd? [04:06] <ttj> what configures which device is called what (like, my wlan is called eth0, my ethernetadapter is called eth1 and so on)? [04:06] <Thewarmachine> is it a good idea to install kde? [04:06] <auk> Hrmmp: not unwelcome, just a friendly warning :) [04:06] <the--dud> krystoff, gaim [04:06] <scythe> gaim is a good one krystoff [04:06] <cafuego> scythe: If all you have is a 14.4 modem, yes. [04:06] <benplaut> krystoff: try Gaim, it's already installed [04:07] <scythe> kopete will run in gnome [04:07] <the--dud> imho, its never a good idea to install kde :p [04:07] <apokryphos> cafuego: hm, can he not store multiple responses to something that way? [04:07] <brian__> I love this OS it is very useful [04:07] <brian__> But! [04:07] <krystoff> yes but when someone is answering to me i cant see it so i respond a long time after [04:07] <auk> teh--dud: lol, yeah [04:07] <brian__> I have to play games too [04:07] <cafuego> apokryphos: Yes, <foo> is (bar1|bar2|bar3) [04:07] <Computer__Guru> would you sign my phaser? [04:07] <krystoff> can i change the way gnome treat the urgent signal ? [04:07] <cafuego> apokryphos: That will make it pick a random one [04:07] <apokryphos> thanks [04:07] <Thewarmachine> so ill stay away from it [04:07] <Chaos615> can anyone help me with sending files via samba on a network [04:07] <krystoff> not only have bold but something like flashing [04:07] <Thewarmachine> but im out of ideas for mp3 cd burning [04:07] <weilawei> krystoff, you CAN change anything you want [04:08] <cafuego> apokryphos: See also /msg ubotu literal start a language war [04:08] <weilawei> but WILL you? [04:08] <scythe> the-dud, i prefer kde.... but kubuntu doesnt work as well as ubuntu on my laptop (still trying to figure that one out) [04:08] <trevi> sorry Brian...can't help u... [04:08] <brian__> ok maybe I should consult the forums [04:08] <krystoff> ok weilawei do you know where i can find info about it [04:08] <bimberi> Chaos615: I reckon you're better off controlling the process from the (ubuntu?) laptop [04:08] <Thewarmachine> I mean kde is ok [04:08] <Hrmmp> The !ping was to determine whether my messages were being /sent or not -- since I had got the ' *** [cannot] join channel- You must have a registered nick (mode +R)' - but anyways [04:08] <bimberi> Chaos615: Set up a share on XP, find it via Places -> Network Servers on ubuntu, transfer [04:08] <weilawei> krystoff, i didn't say I knew. I meant you have the source code available to you [04:08] <moparfan90> i have two computers with file sharing on. how do i open the files on another computer [04:08] <moparfan90> ? [04:08] <cafuego> Hrmmp: ubotu is just a bot, don't worry about it. [04:08] <krystoff> oh ok i dunno C [04:08] <brian__> thanks anyway [04:08] <Thewarmachine> but perhaps im blaspheming but it seems too microsoftish [04:09] <weilawei> krystoff, you'll learn real quick? ;) [04:09] <Hrmmp> For some reason I thought auk was a bot too, but anyways [04:09] <bob2> Thewarmachine: mp3burn does a very nice job [04:09] <krystoff> lol weilawei [04:09] <weilawei> s/lol/heh/ [04:09] <scythe> thewarmachine, no... it doesnt crash [04:09] <cafuego> Hrmmp: if you have issues with specific users, type '/ignore <nickname>' [04:09] <auk> krystoff: i am not sure what you mean, but... system > preferences > sounds > system bell ?? [04:09] <brian__> I am so new to linux and the like, Im scared [04:09] <shadeofgrey> guys [04:09] <shadeofgrey> i really need help [04:10] <Hrmmp> No issues, don't worry of it [04:10] <scythe> with what shade? [04:10] <moparfan90> i have two computers on a network and want to have files go from one to he other. how do i do this????????? [04:10] <bob2> instead of begging for help, ask a useful questoin [04:10] <auk> auk is a bot [04:10] <Thewarmachine> lol scythe [04:10] <apokryphos> cafuego: hahaha, nice. [04:10] <cafuego> auk: botsnack [04:10] <bob2> it's way less annoying, and way more likely to get an answer [04:10] <cafuego> auk: liar [04:10] <krystoff> auk when someone is answering to my IM i dont find the way gnome treat it as well as kde...kde make the bar flashing [04:10] <Thewarmachine> bob2 who are you talking to exactly? [04:10] <brian__> ok I need to install a game [04:11] <brian__> the game is called UT Goty [04:11] <bob2> Thewarmachine: the world [04:11] <trevi> don't be scare Brian... [04:11] <apokryphos> ubotu: botsnack [04:11] <ubotu> thanks apokryphos :) [04:11] <apokryphos> I think he really likes me [04:11] <moparfan90> i have two computers on a network and want to have files go from one to he other. how do i do this????????? [04:11] <brian__> I just need to pointed in the right direction [04:11] <auk> krystoff: that is what you want then [04:11] <moparfan90> help me [04:11] <krystoff> yes ? [04:11] <the--dud> brian__, to be prefectly honest, games are the weakest side of linux [04:11] <krystoff> i m gonna check tis [04:11] <moparfan90> i have two computers on a network and want to have files go from one to he other. how do i do this????????? [04:11] <krystoff> this [04:11] <weilawei> UT!! [04:11] <weilawei> Cube! [04:11] <bob2> moparfan90: stop it [04:11] <weilawei> Steam! [04:11] <auk> krystoff, system > preferences > sounds > system bell [04:11] <codecaine> anyone know how to compile a new kernel and not have to recompile modules already built in previous kernel (which is same version?) [04:11] <bob2> weilawei: enough [04:11] <scythe> can you do a remote mount (something like mount -f ntfs 192.168.0.1/hda1 /media/winblowsshare)?? [04:11] <TennCyclist> when system locks up, any other options than a hard reset? [04:11] <moparfan90> then some please help me [04:11] <krystoff> ok thanks a lot [04:11] <bob2> codecaine: that doesn't work [04:11] <shadeofgrey> can somebody please take the time to help a newbie make a storage partition from a totally unallocated 2nd harddrive and make it into a storage partition for all my crap [04:11] <codecaine> bob2, dang [04:11] <bob2> moparfan90: then be quiet for 10 seconds [04:11] <brian__> I'm not looking to play everything out there [04:12] <brian__> just one [04:12] <moparfan90> ok [04:12] <cafuego> apokryphos: If it never freezes where he lives he may not have had the chace [04:12] <shadyb> ok, so newb here, forgot username and password for new ubuntu install, can someone help? [04:12] <the--dud> fucking hell, too much talk here >_< [04:12] <Hrmmp> Need help -- I put Ubuntu on my laptop a few months ago . . . just as so much as to try it out . . . liked it (playing with Linux for the very first time) . . . and then I crashed it. X doesn't start now . . . I can get to terminal. Now, I just want to get the few existing files saved, and start with a a fresh new 5.04 (it has warthog right this very moment) so . . . question is, how can I get my things saved . . . I'm hoping I can [04:12] <bob2> moparfan90: enable file sharing on the windows side, and select "network serverts" from the location menu [04:12] <bob2> shadeofgrey: which bit of my previous answer did you not understand? [04:12] <moparfan90> both are ubuntu [04:13] <bob2> moparfan90: then install samba on one of them [04:13] <cafuego> moparfan90: scp file addressofothermachine: [04:13] <auk> shadyb: fresh install, you say...? reinstall. [04:13] <shadeofgrey> bob2: i installed gparted and did it that way. now i need to know how to mount the drive at bootup [04:13] <shadyb> true, short of that? [04:13] <moparfan90> i have samba on both [04:13] <Thewarmachine> the--dud: lol but people need help [04:13] <TennCyclist> when system locks up, cont/alt/delete doesnt work, what to do? [04:13] <codecaine> bob2, what's easiest way to make sure modules from previous kernel can get recompiled and put into new kernel bootup? [04:13] <bob2> shadeofgrey: look in /etc/fstab. copy one of the lines and change the mount point and device correctly [04:13] <cafuego> TennCyclist: hit reset [04:13] <scythe> shadeofgrey, you want to edit /etc/fstab [04:13] <bob2> codecaine: why are you compiling a new kernel? [04:13] <scythe> dang you bob2, you type to quick [04:13] <ttj> I'm trying to install, but ubuntu finds my wlan-adapter and tries to fetch packages using that interface, which doesn't work because I'm not on a WLAN :/ Is there any easy way to avoid this? Like remapping eth0 to refer to my ethernetadapter instead of my wlan? [04:13] <auk> Hrmmp: you shoudl be proud of youself, you crashed linux' [04:14] <brad[] > Hi, I'm using linux-wlan-ng and wondering if it integrates with the GUI in any way. Can it do this, or will I need to configure it manually? [04:14] <codecaine> bob2, because the HZ = 1000 makes my processor buzz a bit because of acpi module [04:14] <Computer__Guru> Hrmmp: here's what you do. sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list and change all instances of warty to hoary, then sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [04:14] <TennCyclist> is that only option, hard reset [04:14] <codecaine> bob2, i have to change HZ = 100 like 2.4 kernel uses in param.h [04:14] <bob2> codecaine: it's pretty non-trivial [04:14] <Hrmmp> Yeah. I can crash quite a few things. [04:14] <Computer__Guru> Hrmmp: msg me [04:14] <bob2> codecaine: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.10, and build that [04:14] <cafuego> codecaine: Then you need to recompile EVERYTHING [04:14] <Hrmmp> It actually seemed hard to me not crashing Linux. YOu know? [04:14] <ed1t> i have a folder in my /home directory but it says that i dont have access to it [04:14] <scythe> brad, you might want to look at wifi radar [04:14] <cafuego> codecaine: Including the modules. [04:14] <scythe> just google for it [04:14] <bob2> codecaine: but you'll lose all the external kernel modules (like the nvidia, ati and intel wireless ones) [04:14] <Hrmmp> omgomg! a Computer__Guru! ^.^;; okies [04:14] <moparfan90> bob2, i have samba on both... what do i do? and both are running ubuntu [04:14] <bob2> Hrmmp: have you filed bugs? are you sure your ram is ok? [04:14] <codecaine> bob2, that's exactly what i lose ati and ipw2100 [04:15] <shad0w1e> hey anyone know how I can set up iptables to pass through an internet connection for eth0 to eth1 ? [04:15] <bob2> moparfan90: as I already said ' and select "network serverts" from the location menu' [04:15] <Hrmmp> Ram is okay, I think it's more the problem of the hard drive [04:15] <bob2> shad0w1e: www.netfilter.org [04:15] <Hrmmp> Had been getting weird messages from that [04:15] <bob2> ed1t: and it's called? [04:15] <drcode> hi all [04:15] <drcode> I Need help [04:15] <moparfan90> bob2, where is the location menu. [04:15] <scythe> i think id rather have the ram issues [04:15] <ed1t> bob2, downloads [04:15] <codecaine> bob2, what's way to get those ati and ipw2100 source from previous kernel and recompile them? [04:15] <bob2> moparfan90: places, at the top of your screen [04:16] <ed1t> firefox 1.0.6 is still buggy... [04:16] <bob2> codecaine: rebuild the linux-restricted-modules package [04:16] <auk> drcode: ask, you might get an answer [04:16] <bob2> codecaine: which is fairly non-trivial, too [04:16] <drcode> is there possible to run vmware under windows and guest is ubuntu , and I want to use 3d acclartor? [04:16] <codecaine> k [04:16] <bob2> ed1t: then please file a bug [04:16] <ed1t> when i download a file, it opens up a new firefox window [04:16] <ed1t> k [04:16] <bob2> drcode: no [04:16] <cafuego> bob2: he could use module-assistant [04:16] <scythe> anyone know if you can remote mount a partition over a network without using nfs like you can in solaris? [04:16] <bob2> cafuego: does that work for l-r-m? [04:16] <codecaine> bob2, you know what package ipw2100 is in, well let me look first, thanks [04:16] <cafuego> bob2: I thought so, yes. [04:16] <drcode> is there any other software that I Can run under windows and use ubuntu as gust with 3d acclartor? [04:16] <bob2> scythe: you mean mounting a raw device? [04:17] <cafuego> bob2: tha's to say, I'm faily sure it has fglrx and ipw2100 as options [04:17] <shadyb> auk: short of re-install? what else? [04:17] <auk> damn backports!! [04:17] <scythe> no, as a fat, ntfs, or well any other valid format out there [04:17] <bob2> codecaine: it's in the normal ubuntu kernel source [04:17] <auk> shadyb: i don't know [04:17] <codecaine> cafuego, what are u saying? [04:17] <scythe> wait, what do you mean as raw device... [04:17] <cafuego> codecaine: words [04:17] <bob2> drcode: just run ubuntu properly if you want that [04:17] <codecaine> bob2, it's also a package ipw2100-source [04:17] <cafuego> codecaine: 'apt-get install module-assiatant; m-a' [04:17] <codecaine> cafuego, thanks smart a$$ :) [04:17] <bob2> scythe: then how on earth do you want to access it? [04:18] <codecaine> cafuego, thx [04:18] <drcode> k [04:18] <cafuego> codecaine: try that... [04:18] <bob2> codecaine: yes, but it's also in the kernel source [04:18] <drcode> thnx [04:18] <bob2> network block devices sound like a terrble idea [04:18] <drcode> I Will do dule bot [04:18] <drcode> boot [04:18] <drcode> it support sata [04:18] <codecaine> cafuego, use module-assistant to do what i need? [04:18] <drcode> or I Need to install somthing ? [04:18] <shadyb> if i can't remember my username or password from install, how do i find them out or get in to ubuntu? [04:18] <cafuego> drcode: No, it will just work. [04:18] <xzyt> qustion...does the package '3ddesktop' not work on ubuntu? i know its available for debian...but will it work on ubuntu? [04:18] <ed1t> bob2, is there any pic viewer which supports .svg? [04:18] <cafuego> drcode: only think is to make sure is you install windows first, then Linux [04:19] <bob2> shadyb: select recovery mode fro the boot menu [04:19] <concept10> azyyes [04:19] <scythe> been a while, but when i was dealing with solaris (8)?? i could mount -t fat 192.168.0.1 /media/winblowspartition and have it work (or something like that) [04:19] <bob2> shadyb: then run 'passwd yourusername' [04:19] <moparfan90> bob2, this poped up "Sorry, couldn't display all the contents of "Windows Network: dgmvxk61"" what do i do?? [04:19] <bob2> ed1t: sodipodi and inkscape can [04:19] <concept10> xzyt, Yes.. it works [04:19] <bob2> moparfan90: did it work? [04:19] <moparfan90> it said that it cant open all the files [04:19] <bob2> scythe: you can use network block devices, but why? [04:19] <moparfan90> "Sorry, couldn't display all the contents of "Windows Network: dgmvxk61"" [04:19] <bob2> moparfan90: yes, I know [04:19] <bob2> moparfan90: DID. IT. WORK? [04:20] <scythe> woo hoo!!!!!!!!!! 36k download speed!!! thats about 10 times faster than normal!!! [04:20] <moparfan90> yes. and no [04:20] <kgnally> okay, thats it [04:20] <bob2> moparfan90: well, good luck [04:20] <shadyb> bob2: i'm sorry, newb, do i type ('passwd yourusername') or w/o ' [04:20] <scythe> bob, just trying to refresh my brain... been stuck in windows for too long [04:20] <moparfan90> you dont know what to do? bob2 [04:20] <kgnally> I am going to be telling potewntial linux users from now on that the ATI drivers DO NOT WORK. Period. [04:20] <bob2> shadyb: no quotes [04:21] <bob2> moparfan90: extracting information from you is exceeding my patience, sorry [04:21] <shadyb> thanx [04:21] <bob2> kgnally: that would be an interesting lie [04:21] <bob2> scythe: normally you'd just mount it and export it over nfs or coda or smb or ... [04:21] <moparfan90> ok. i told you what you wanted..... what ever [04:21] <scythe> not a lie, just his version of the truth [04:21] <cafuego> kgnally: fglrx works fine on non-latest-kernel ia32 machines. [04:21] <auk> !info gstreamer0.8-lame [04:21] <bob2> scythe: if you run the network block device daemon on both, it should work [04:22] <scythe> ahh, k [04:22] <concept10> That was crazy [04:22] <auk> stupid bot [04:22] <kgnally> I don't much care that others have been able to get them working in certain distros; they are obviously using black fucking magic and other arcane rituals, because I have tried to install the ATI drivers in Mandrake, Debian, Fedora, Unbuntu, AND Slackware without any success at all! [04:22] <cafuego> auk: ey? [04:22] <cafuego> auk: Did it not find the package? [04:22] <bob2> kgnally: so, perhaps your card is not supported yet [04:22] <scythe> they ship with suse and work fine [04:22] <kgnally> God DAMN I am PISSED OFF at ATI right now!!!! GRRRRR!!! [04:23] <bob2> kgnally: what card do you have? [04:23] <scythe> what card do you have kgnally [04:23] <kgnally> It's an ATI Fracking 96fracking00!!! [04:23] <scythe> agggghhh, bob2, you and your quick typing [04:23] <concept10> Okay. settle down [04:23] <calc> that works fine with xorg 2d drivers [04:23] <calc> assuming you aren't running breezy [04:23] <bob2> kgnally: and how sure are you that fireGL supports that at all? [04:23] <calc> xorg in breezy is snafu [04:23] <cafuego> kgnally: Those even work with the latest (LATEST) xorg drivers. [04:23] <auk> cafuego; not, it gave me a dependency error [04:24] <Thewarmachine> is there a 5.10 colony2 ubuntu? [04:24] <tahorg> calc: breezy is for men. [04:24] <scythe> calc, ill remember not to attempt to dl that one yet [04:24] <auk> *no [04:24] <cafuego> auk: It's in extras, isn't it? [04:24] <kgnally> I have been trying to get these ATI drivers working for ******MORE THAN A YEAR***** on one distro or another and it ALWAYS fails, and I ALWAYS hear about other ppl getting them working properly and it's PISSING me OFF! [04:24] <auk> yeah [04:24] <bob2> Thewarmachine: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/5.10/ [04:24] <cafuego> auk: yes, they're not in the bot. [04:24] <calc> tahorg: for men who can figure out where all the xorg binaries disappeared to [04:24] <bob2> kgnally: chill out [04:24] <kgnally> and I do mean always, by the way [04:24] <concept10> kgnally, PEBKAC maybe? [04:24] <bob2> Thewarmachine: note that brezzy is highly screwed, tho [04:24] <calc> tahorg: since the packages now being shipped are empty [04:24] <Razor-X> kgnally: then don't tell others that it doesen't work [04:24] <kgnally> I have never had the ATI drivers just WORK like others have [04:24] <scythe> head space and timing? [04:24] <bob2> concept10: please don't exacerbate it [04:24] <brad[] > I'm wondering if linux-wlan-ng integrates with the GUI in any way. Can it do this, or will I need to configure it manually? [04:25] <auk> yeah, ubotu didn't know, but apt-et gave me a dependency error :( [04:25] <auk> cafuego: *\ [04:25] <brad[] > The GUI being the network configuration control panel applet. [04:25] <cafuego> kgnally: maybe you should get yourself a card that doesn't require the fglrx drivers, then. [04:25] <bob2> brad[] : no, it's crap and has to be done manually [04:25] <concept10> bob2, Okay bob2 :) [04:25] <kgnally> nonono, I have followed the instructions verbatim every time! [04:25] <tahorg> calc: xkbutils for example ? [04:25] <bob2> it doesn't even intergrate into /etc/network/interfaces [04:25] <spermie_411> how would i install this file : ? superkaramba-0.37-RC1.tar.gz [04:25] <cafuego> kgnally: That sounds like it might be the best thing for everyone. [04:25] <calc> tahorg: xbase-clients, xutils for two [04:25] <kgnally> I'm about to abandon ATI entirely cafuego \ [04:25] <scythe> brad[] look for wifi radar.... ive been able to configure my wifi card with it well enough [04:25] <calc> tahorg: both don't depend on anything major and are empty [04:25] <brad[] > bob2: D'oh, so I have to manually stick it in the bootup stuff? Are you familiar with wlan-ng? [04:25] <cafuego> kgnally: a 9200 would work fine. [04:25] <tahorg> calc: it was a pain to get Xorg back yes :) [04:25] <calc> which makes it somewhat impossible to log into X [04:25] <brad[] > bob2: Can I make it autoconnect to more than one wireless network at least? [04:25] <scythe> but im using a ipw2200, so im not much help [04:26] <apokryphos> spermie_411: untar it then compile from source [04:26] <kgnally> cafuego, but I HAVE a 9600, and I'm TOLD the ATI drivers work in many linux distros [04:26] <kgnally> last time, I had to install a patch, and PATCH the PATCH [04:26] <bob2> brad[] : it's a massive pain in the ass [04:26] <bob2> kgnally: stop it [04:26] <calc> tahorg: not sure why the xorg maintainer is making so hard to get a working xorg on breezy? to encourage people to stop using ubuntu :) [04:26] <auk> afuego: do youhave any ideas? [04:26] <bob2> kgnally: file a bug and move on with your life [04:26] <auk> *cafuego [04:26] <cafuego> kgnally: I've never used them, so I wouldn't know. All ATI cards I have work fine with the free drivers. [04:26] <calc> if he split the packages out he should know where they went for a depends: line [04:26] <cafuego> auk: What is the depend error? [04:26] <auk> gstreamer0.8-lame: Depends: liblame0 (>= 3.96.1-1) but it is not installable [04:26] <shadeofgrey> okay guys i need help [04:27] <bob2> brad[] : eh? more than one? [04:27] <brad[] > bob2: Have you done it? I discovered specifying a blank SSID makes it pick up whatever network is closest, which is nice - I'm just trying to figure out how to make it try more than one WEP key [04:27] <shadeofgrey> i made the partition but have no idea what to put in my fstab file [04:27] <brad[] > bob2: Yeah like home WLAN/work WLAN [04:27] <kgnally> Can someone tell me why I'm getting a virtual desktop without any such setting appearing in xorg.conf and no XF86Config-4 to deal with?\ [04:27] <bob2> brad[] : you'd need to script that yourself [04:27] <cafuego> auk: Ok, so you need liblame0 from the hoary-extras or somesuch repository [04:27] <shadeofgrey> so that the part. mounts at bootup [04:27] <bob2> shadeofgrey: so, which part of my anser confused you? [04:27] <brad[] > bob2: Hurf, ok (blasted laptops) [04:27] <auk> cafuego: yeah, but where [04:27] <auk> ? [04:27] <bob2> I was very glad when I got a ipw2100 [04:27] <cafuego> !extras [04:27] <ubotu> [extras] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories [04:28] <cafuego> auk: See if it's listed there [04:28] <shadeofgrey> bob2: changing the device is what i dont understand [04:28] <brad[] > bob2: Yeah looking at a new laptop myself - I'm just hoping the WLAN on a Ferarri 4005 isn't a pain [04:28] <shadeofgrey> bob2: there are numbers off to the right on the line for my hda1 and switches i dont understand [04:28] <bob2> shadeofgrey: you partitioned it and formatted it, presumably you know what device you were doing that too? [04:28] <shadeofgrey> of course [04:28] <cafuego> brad[] : If it's 802.11g there is a 90% chance it will be a pain (or not work at all) [04:28] <bob2> shadeofgrey: then use the same values as the other lines do [04:28] <codecaine> what do i do since xorg-fglrx-driver doesn't have a source package to recompile it? [04:28] <concept10> How do I enable irda or check if it is enabled? [04:28] <bob2> brad[] : look into that before handing over money [04:29] <brian__> hi i just wanna play a game [04:29] <bob2> codecaine: it's not a kernel driver [04:29] <tahorg> calc: it seems that packages have been fragmented but the dependencies are not ok [04:29] <brad[] > cafuego: Sweet! Probably it'll be a crapshoot with ndiswrapper [04:29] <codecaine> ps -A | grep irda [04:29] <cafuego> codecaine: You don't need to recompile the xorg-driver [04:29] <brad[] > bob2: Yeah definitely [04:29] <brian__> UT GOTY [04:29] <cafuego> codecaine: You need the *kernel* driver [04:29] <bob2> brian__: then paying for cdegea is probably your best option [04:29] <scythe> atleast you can get your ipw2100 to talk to a network, my 2200 can be configured, but wont talk in my suse, my kubuntu will not allow me to activate the card, and ive been downloading ubuntu for 3 days....64 percent done [04:29] <cafuego> !find fglrx [04:29] <bob2> brian__: www.transgaming.com [04:29] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'fglrx' (6 shown): fglrx-control ;; fglrx-kernel-source ;; xfree86-driver-fglrx ;; xfree86-driver-fglrx-dev ;; xorg-driver-fglrx ;; xorg-driver-fglrx-dev. [04:29] <calc> tahorg: yea [04:29] <brian__> beautigul thankyou [04:29] <brian__> err [04:29] <cafuego> codecaine: fglrx-kernel-source [04:29] <brian__> thanks [04:29] <codecaine> cafuego, agh thank you [04:29] <brian__> many many thanks [04:29] <concept10> codecaine, if that the name of the deamon? [04:30] <bob2> it's not a daemon [04:30] <bob2> it's a kernel thread [04:30] <bob2> and the module almost certainly isn't loaded by default [04:30] <concept10> what is the module? [04:30] <bob2> go find your laptop on linuxlaptops.net or whatever [04:30] <bob2> it's system-specific [04:30] <scythe> newb question, whats the diff between a kernel thread and a module? [04:30] <auk> cafuego: hmm, my repositories are the same as those on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories but, only fo rteh past week or so [04:30] <Dr_Melectaus> im getting a wierd error when i try yo boot [04:30] <concept10> bob2, okay, thanks [04:30] <Dr_Melectaus> to** [04:31] <Dr_Melectaus> buffer i/o error on hda1, logical block 7962784. error reasing (attempt to read blovk from file system resulted in short read) while doing inode scan. [04:31] <bob2> scythe: module = driver [04:31] <cafuego> scythe: A module is a file, a kernel thread is a part of a running kernel. [04:31] <xzyt> what program is used to run a irc server in linux? [04:31] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: the disk is in deep trouble [04:31] <kgnally> Okay, let me start over: I have installed Unbuntu, and then installed the available updates. I downloaded check.sh from ATI and was told that it could not run. Undeterred, I realized I was running the latest Unbuntu distro, and tried to install the corresponding ATI driver. It appeared to work, but I now have a HUGE virtual desktop and no reference to ANY virtual desktop in xorg.conf. Does anyone know what's going on? [04:31] <bob2> possibly only the partition table is corrupt [04:31] <cafuego> xzyt: Whichever one you want. This network runs onn dancer-ircd. [04:31] <bob2> kgnally: er, that's your whole problem? [04:31] <Dr_Melectaus> there are about 20 sequential blocks with the same error bob2 [04:31] <xzyt> cafuego: thanks [04:31] <bob2> kgnally: why on earth were you bitching so much earlier then? [04:31] <kgnally> bob2: an unwelcome virtual desktop that I can't get rid of, yes [04:31] <Dr_Melectaus> what kind of deep trouble bob2 [04:32] <tahorg> looks like 8139too is broken in 2.6.12-4-686 breezy [04:32] <scythe> so a thread could be a driver that has been compiled into a monolithic kernel, a module is loaded as needed, not at kernel load? [04:32] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: like "replace your disk" deep trouble [04:32] <bob2> tahorg: file a bug [04:32] <bob2> scythe: no [04:32] <kgnally> because the ATI drivers NEVER EVER install correctly the first time around in linux, any distro [04:32] <auk> kgnally: just curoius...can oyu move aroudn inside that desktop, like in the old 'viewports' of gnome? [04:32] <cafuego> tahorg: Is it, or do you need 8139cp ? [04:32] <bob2> scythe: the kernel thread thing is something entirely different [04:32] <kgnally> auk: yes [04:32] <bob2> kgnally: that just means the resolution is misconfigured [04:32] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2, whats the actual prblom though? sounds nasty [04:32] <auk> cool! [04:32] <tahorg> cafuego: both are loaded, and it worked fine till 2.6.12-3 [04:32] <bob2> kgnally: it's set higher tha nthe card/monitor can handle, so X displays some portion and lets you scroll to the rest [04:32] <kgnally> bob2: there's no way to reconfigure the resolution that I can find,m even in xorg.conf [04:32] <bob2> kgnally: of course there is [04:33] <cafuego> tahorg: Odd... it should pick one OR the other, not both (unless you have two different NICs) [04:33] <bob2> kgnally: perhaps you need a custom modeline [04:33] <auk> cafuego: did you see my last message? [04:33] <kgnally> bob2: except that isn't true. My monitor CAN handle 1024x768! :) [04:33] <bob2> if that is your only issue, that is the most ridiculous rant ever [04:33] <cafuego> auk: [12:32] <auk> cool! [04:33] <auk> *third to last message [04:33] <bob2> kgnally: then X isjust misconfigured [04:33] <codecaine> kgnally, is your HZ too high? [04:33] <Razor-X> !resolution [04:33] <ubotu> somebody said resolution was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto [04:33] <codecaine> khz [04:33] <bob2> kgnally: ask on the ubuntu-users mailing list and perhaps someone can show you the correct values [04:33] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2, what should i say the problom is when i phone the insurance peeps [04:33] <kgnally> codecaine, u mean my refresh rates? [04:33] <Razor-X> ;) [04:33] <cafuego> auk: Ah ok... hmm.. give it a day, see if the newer version gets uploaded. [04:33] <codecaine> yes [04:34] <auk> :( [04:34] <scythe> how much of a pain is it to get 1280 X 768 in X? [04:34] <codecaine> standard [04:34] <Razor-X> !tell scythe about resolution [04:34] <scythe> i can only seem to get 1024 X 768 [04:34] <Razor-X> if your resolution doesen't work [04:34] <bob2> scythe: a kernel module is a driver that gets loaded into the kernel, and can then run. it can be loaded manually with modprobe, or automatically at boot by hotplug. some of them, like the irda one, run a kernel thread, which is just a little program in the kernel [04:34] <bob2> scythe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto [04:35] <kgnally> bob2, this is NOT an unbuntu problem, tis is a linux/ATI problem; I have had this issue since ATI had linux drivers [04:35] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2, what should i say the problom is when i phone the insurance peeps [04:35] <bob2> scythe: and don't forget to file a bug, ubuntu should have foun dit specifically [04:35] <bob2> kgnally: that's awesome [04:35] <scythe> thanks bob, on both info [04:35] <codecaine> bob2, gotta say that's still a bit confusing the diff between the two [04:35] <tahorg> oooodd [04:35] <tahorg> I unload the module, reload, it work [04:35] <kgnally> well I';m just sayin, I don't know how on Earth this can get fixed; it's happened over multiple distros [04:35] <bob2> kgnally: if the only issue is the the resolution is too low, then it's almost certainly a trivial X misconfiguration [04:35] <tahorg> works* [04:35] <bob2> kgnally: awesome, so go ask people who know how to fix it [04:36] <revelater> two questions, first, how do i access files on a windoze file server? [04:36] <bob2> codecaine: do you know what a thread or a process is? [04:36] <scythe> bob, it doesnt talk to my monitor well, cant get the info from dpms, never had the laptop give up the info to X [04:36] <codecaine> bob2, yes [04:36] <bob2> ouch [04:36] <ttj> revelater: smbclient [04:36] <kgnally> bob2, YES, but find it! And I've been asking on these channels for over a year, and people are getting tired of me asking [04:36] <bob2> codecaine: a kernel thread is just a thread that runs in user space [04:36] <ttj> or mount -t cifs/smb [04:36] <bob2> kgnally: wow, maybe they're sick of your attitude? [04:36] <Hrmmp> Okay, I actually just booted up the laptop . . . and I was mistaken -- even the "terminal" doesn't start. Only choice I have is to . . . restart, or run fsck . . . and I"ve ran fsck before, . . . this is just a big cycle [04:36] <kgnally> it's making me bloody angry [04:36] <bob2> kgnally: asking for complex help on irc is stupid [04:36] <Razor-X> kgnally: have you checked ubotu's resolution thingie? [04:37] <bimberi> revelater: Try finding it via Places -> Network Servers [04:37] <bob2> kgnally: follow that wiki page, and if that doesn't work, try ubuntu-users [04:37] <bob2> kgnally: if that doesn't work, find a user list on www.x.org [04:37] <auk> how do you force a cd to eject? [04:37] <IIIEars> kgnally - It is a pain. - You have the tools to fix it. - I undestand your impatience it should be simpler. [04:37] <Razor-X> or even try googling your refresh rates [04:37] <kgnally> bob2, BUT THAT'S THE THING; THIS SHOULD BE A VERY VERY VERY SIMPLE ISSUE [04:37] <Razor-X> or try and find them out in Windows [04:37] <kgnally> i KNOW HOW TO READ THE FILE, FOR gOD'S SAKE [04:37] <codecaine> bob2, agh nevermind i think i put it together in my head the difference and makes sense [04:37] <xzyt> if i wanted to add an extra hard drive to my machine that had a version of linux (debian) on it... any way to be able to physically install it and use a program to attach and reformat it? [04:37] <revelater> bimberi: ? [04:37] <kgnally> oops [04:37] <Razor-X> kgnally: stop shouting [04:37] <bob2> kgnally: if you're using the ubuntu ATI drivers, file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com [04:37] <scythe> auk, you might wish to try sudo eject /dev/hdc [04:37] <kgnally> sorry, accident [04:37] <jedix> when I use ctrl+shift_+(+ or -) to switch resolutions, how can I make the desktop the correct size and not oversized? [04:37] <bob2> kgnally: jesus dude, no wonder you're getting no where [04:37] <codecaine> bob2, just a program which gets embedded into the kernel and runs as a process, as compared to a driver. [04:38] <kgnally> my finger slipped bob2 [04:38] <kgnally> I didn't mean tos hout [04:38] <bob2> codecaine: it's usually part of a driver [04:38] <Razor-X> kgnally: are you sure your refresh rates are correct? [04:38] <Razor-X> try a google search on the monitor [04:38] <bimberi> revelater: Try finding *the windows server* via Places -> Network Servers [04:38] <scythe> but that doesnt really force it... but usually works for me when other things wont [04:38] <bob2> codecaine: e.g. kacpid presumably comes from the acpi module and deals with acpi thingsa [04:38] <kgnally> Razor-X, I tried changing them in xorg.conf, but there's no line given to do so [04:38] <bob2> codecaine: but ksoftirqd is just part of the core kernel itself [04:38] <tahorg> kgnally: there are *A LOT* of ressources for configuring X on the net [04:39] <IIIEars> kgnally - sudo-dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and maybe a little googling for the values to enter in the cfg file WILL fix it. [04:39] <Razor-X> kgnally: ...................................................................................................................... [04:39] <jedix> anyone? [04:39] <bob2> kgnally: so, do what I said already and ask the correct people [04:39] <kgnally> IIIEars, I did THAT too [04:39] <bob2> jedix: don't use those keys [04:39] <codecaine> bob2, so ksoftirqd is a thread? [04:39] <auk> scythe: tahnk you [04:39] <jedix> bob2: I want to change the res though [04:39] <tahorg> kgnally: here on irc you won't find help for specific hardware [04:39] <auk> *thank [04:39] <bob2> jedix: use the gnome randr applet or the xrandr command [04:39] <Razor-X> kgnally: if a line doesen't exist.... add it? [04:39] <xzyt> anyone? [04:39] <revelater> bimberi: i am not running gnome if thats what you are refering to... [04:39] <bob2> jedix: yes, those keys don't do what you think they do [04:39] <jedix> xrandr? [04:39] <codecaine> bob2, or is kacpid a thread off of acpi mod? [04:39] <bob2> xzyt: your question sucks [04:39] <bimberi> revelater: k - misunderstood [04:39] <bob2> xzyt: do you mean "can I hot plug it?" or "can I setup Debian on it after I plug it in?"? [04:40] <bob2> codecaine: I think so, yes, t both [04:40] <xzyt> :bob2 i want to be able to add it and erase it and add the volumes [04:40] <bob2> codecaine: where they come from isn't that important, except for interest [04:40] <kgnally> tahorg, I didn't realize the ATI Radeon 9600 Pro was a rare piece opf hardware; I thought it was supported by the driver /sarcasm [04:40] <bob2> xzyt: of course that will work [04:40] <xzyt> bob2: ok... um ... how? [04:41] <bob2> xzyt: power down, plug it in, and come back [04:41] <revelater> ttj: ok... i got smbclient, how do i connect now though? [04:41] <calc> i use 9600 on my laptop and desktop [04:41] <xzyt> bob2: so when i power back up..ubuntu will allow me to see that hd and erase and repartition it? [04:41] <codecaine> bob2, how is it that you know if something is a module or if it's just a thread in the kernel, maybe that's what's confusing. Sorry for making this complicated... [04:41] <bob2> kgnally: feel free to /msg me when you've followed some of the suggestions here [04:41] <bob2> xzyt: yup [04:41] <calc> though i don't like binary only shit so i wouldn't know about issues with fglrx [04:41] <ttj> revelater: Well, first you could do a smbclient -L to list your shares, but are you trying to access a specific windows share? [04:42] <scythe> odd question, just for kicks, is it normal to have an upload twice the speed of your download when getting a bit torrent? [04:42] <IIIEars> kgnally - ATI isn't terribly helpful to the developers writng hardware drivers.. that said, Your card is great and a lot of people use it with linux. [04:42] <revelater> ttj: my main problem is this : [04:42] <revelater> Unknown parameter encountered: "netbios" [04:42] <revelater> Ignoring unknown parameter "netbios" [04:42] <Razor-X> scythe: very normal [04:42] <jedix> bob2: can I change the refresh rate somehow? [04:42] <xzyt> bob2: ok thanks...but next please don't get so agitated and say my question sucks [04:42] <bob2> jedix: yes, but not trivialy [04:42] <scythe> whew, was almost worried there :) [04:42] <bob2> xzyt: please ask more specific questions in future [04:42] <tahorg> calc: (btw I've got X working back on breezy but I moved and ln'ed so many files that I can remember everything) [04:42] <tahorg> can't [04:42] <bob2> codecaine: they're completely seperate things [04:42] <xzyt> bob2:i thought i was [04:42] <jedix> bob2: I have my hdtv hooked up and want to be able to easily switch from 1080i to 720p [04:43] <calc> tahorg: ok no problem [04:43] <revelater> ttj: and i have a windows NT server machine, there is only one share i think [04:43] <ttj> revelater: Ok, you could just mount that share, then [04:43] <calc> i'll try using breezy on my laptop again in a few weeks [04:43] <cs378> hello ppl [04:43] <xzyt> bob2: ** any way to be able to physically install it and use a program to attach and reformat it?*** [04:43] <revelater> ttj: how would i go about it? [04:43] <IIIEars> Hi cs378 [04:43] <crimsun> calc: you're just a glutton for punishment, eh? ;) [04:43] <scythe> breezy still that bad? [04:43] <bob2> jedix: ok [04:43] <ttj> revelater: just create a directory, say /mnt/ntshare, and then mount -t smb /IP-to-windowsmachine/sharename /mnt/ntshare [04:43] <scythe> when is it due for release? [04:43] <bob2> jedix: I'd run two seperate X servers, myself [04:43] <bob2> scythe: october [04:43] <calc> crimsun: i didn't realize that ubuntu was going to be this fscking volatile, debian was never nearly this unstable when i used it for ~ 7 years :) [04:44] <bob2> scythe: 5.10 = 2005 october [04:44] <ttj> revelater: /mnt/ntshare should contain your files [04:44] <scythe> ahh, they have time then, well a little at least [04:44] <revelater> ttj: i will try that right now [04:44] <codecaine> calc, don't get the two confused; secondly breezy is frigging unstable right now in development [04:44] <crimsun> calc: mmm 'splosions :) [04:44] <ajmitch> calc: that's why ubuntu is more fun - more breakage in less time [04:44] <REds> mount -t smb /ip-of-windows/share_name /mnt/source_dir [04:44] <IIIEars> scythe - it takes a lot of sweat equity to configure it. - release date is scheduled for october. [04:44] <scythe> lol [04:44] <one> I freshly installed Ubuntu now I need to install ndiswrapper and it is asking me where are the kernel sources located? [04:44] <ryan_> if i wanted to view files on another networked computer, how would i do it in terminal? [04:44] <one> Where are kernel sources located on a fresh ubuntu install? [04:45] <REds> ./usr/src ? [04:45] <codecaine> one, /usr/src [04:45] <cafuego> one: Nowhere until you install them. [04:45] <one> Reds: all that is there is 'rpm' [04:45] <cafuego> one: install and run 'module-assistant'. [04:45] <one> only thing that exists is /usr/src/rpm [04:45] <cs378> i went to see whats installed, n gcc is installed, but i still cant use gcc foo.cpp [04:45] <IIIEars> ryan_ - Openssh or telnet (Eww don't use it) [04:45] <scythe> ryan, mount the remote directory... then browse to the place you mounted it, just like any other folder [04:45] <one> so do i need to download linux-2.6.10.tar.gz [04:45] <one> ? [04:45] <cafuego> one: install and run 'module-assistant'. [04:45] <REds> one ye /usr/src/linux (kernel) prob isnt there by default, u can download it [04:45] <one> how do i install module-assistant [04:45] <REds> even via the update-manager i think [04:45] <IIIEars> Openssh works nicely [04:46] <cafuego> one: Open a terminal, 'sudo apt-get install module-assistant' [04:46] <ryan_> thanks IIIEars [04:46] <one> I dont have internet access [04:46] <REds> sudo update-manager even cafuego [04:46] <one> until i get ndiswrapper working [04:46] <one> will it still work? [04:46] <REds> sorry [04:46] <scythe> ouch [04:46] <cafuego> one: Do you have the CD? [04:46] <revelater> ttj: unkown filetype 'smb' ? [04:46] <one> yes i have the CD [04:46] <codecaine> cafuego, module-assistant worked great for me however it didnt pick up fglrx driver is that cause it's not a kernel module? [04:46] <scythe> one... you should still be able to get the source from cd [04:46] <cafuego> one: Just give it a try then [04:46] <revelater> ttj: filesystem i mean [04:46] <ttj> revelater: filetype? [04:46] <one> Okay wheres the source from the cd? [04:47] <calc> codecaine: well there is a difference in uploading unstable and known broken shit to a repo [04:47] <ttj> revelater: Ok, try -t cifs [04:47] <calc> i didn't realize ubuntu unstable was in the latter category until recently [04:47] <cafuego> one: Run a package manager and find the source in that, then install it. [04:47] <codecaine> calc, i see [04:47] <scythe> you should still be able to apt-get it one... the cd is probably in your sources list [04:47] <revelater> ttj: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /192.168.2.11/Documents, [04:47] <codecaine> calc, its all over the ubuntu page saying how unstable and what not [04:47] <one> scthe so apt-get install module-assistant? [04:47] <one> What will that do ? [04:48] <calc> codecaine: f.e. xbase-utils xutils being empty with no new packages in the Depends: line [04:48] <revelater> ttj: can i mount it as ntfs? [04:48] <calc> codecaine: i made the mistake of assuming ubuntu unstable was of similar quality as debian unstable [04:48] <scythe> well, sudo apt-get install yadayadayada... yuppers, it SHOULD work [04:48] <codecaine> calc, i see :) [04:48] <one> Cafuego you mean find the .deb of ndiswrapper? [04:48] <cafuego> calc: it is [04:48] <one> instead of building from source? [04:48] <IIIEars> !apt-get [04:48] <ubotu> somebody said apt-get was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ [04:48] <cafuego> calc: Debian unstable is going to be horrid now that Etch is out. [04:48] <ttj> revelater: no, not if its shared through samba [04:48] <cafuego> s/Etch/Sarge/ [04:49] <ttj> revelater: sounds odd though, works completely fine for me [04:49] <codecaine> cafuego, module-assistant works good for ipw2100 but didnt pickup fglrx driver is that because its not a kernel module? [04:49] <scythe> why do i keep reading !(fill in the blank) as do not (fill in the blank) [04:49] <weilawei> cafuego, it is horrid right now [04:49] <scythe> :) [04:49] <calc> cafuego: debian never broke to even nearly this extent in the 7+ years i have used it [04:49] <one> what is module assistant for anyways [04:49] <codecaine> cafuego, etch is one of the maintainers? [04:49] <revelater> ttj: i am not sure i have smbclient working though [04:49] <weilawei> etch is a release [04:49] <weilawei> the testing release currently [04:49] <cafuego> calc: You must not have tried hard enough. Go and find some docs of when pam got broken. [04:49] <calc> unless it has recently since i stopped using sid [04:49] <calc> cafuego: pam breakage was easy to work around [04:49] <one> what is module assistant for anyways [04:50] <cafuego> calc: and 400 people an hour went onto irc asking why they couldn'tl og in. [04:50] <calc> cafuego: there are no repos to grab old working versions of ubuntu unstable debs for example [04:50] <calc> cafuego: before that in early 1999 perl broke for a day [04:50] <bob2> one: building modules... [04:50] <cafuego> calc: Not for a lot of people who thought they were clever enough to run Sid. [04:50] <one> ok [04:50] <bob2> PAM broke once [04:50] <calc> cafuego: in ubuntu case xorg has been in unusably broken state for several weeks now [04:50] <revelater> bob2: the cooking spray? [04:50] <scythe> lol [04:50] <calc> with no where to grab the old debs [04:50] <deprave[tm] > when you install ubuntu and it finds a dial-up modem will it automaticly set /dev/modem to point to it? [04:51] <codecaine> cafuego, did u read my msg ? [04:51] <cafuego> calc: Well, this has been well documented and even the topic here states to not use Breezy. [04:51] <bob2> deprave[tm] : doubt it [04:51] <bob2> probing for modems during install'd be a bit wasteful [04:51] <calc> yea i guess i'll reinstall sid on the box, i really need to upload updated versions of my packages anyway [04:51] <scythe> yes!!! ill have my dvd in like 8 hours, im so excited!!! [04:51] <weilawei> The are requirements for running sid: Either a) You are decently proficient with Linux and b) don't mind saving your own ass OR c) You are stupid enough and d) are prepared to withstand a flaming when you whine in IRC [04:51] <cafuego> calc: Mind you, Xorg works fine on my breezy box. [04:51] <one> im not too fond of Gnome is there a way I can make Ubuntu start fluxbox? [04:51] <deprave[tm] > bob2: yeah, it detected the modem, name and whatnot, but /dev/modem doesn't point to it, and on x when i go to the networking utility and probe for the location it doesn't find it. [04:52] <deprave[tm] > but it shows it in the device manager [04:52] <crimsun> one: just install fluxbox, then choose it in GDM's Session menu [04:52] <bob2> deprave[tm] : no need to use that tool [04:52] <one> okay [04:52] <bob2> deprave[tm] : just 'sudo pppconfig' and 'sudo pon' to connect [04:52] <calc> cafuego: how did you get around all the missing binaries issue? [04:52] <cafuego> calc: symlinks [04:52] <calc> cafuego: or did you just hold all of xorg weeks ago? [04:52] <deprave[tm] > no configuration needed or i can make a a script for it? [04:52] <cafuego> calc: .. and installed the missing depends by hand, after checking the mailing list. [04:52] <calc> cafuego: so where is sessreg on your box? [04:53] <cafuego> calc: I haven't updated this past week. [04:53] <calc> the currently open bug on xutils says that the files don't exist anywhere [04:53] <cafuego> calc: sessreg is bloody broken anyway <heh> [04:53] <one> hey any time you use apt get it installs from the net right? [04:53] <desrt> calc; xutils is borked atm., [04:53] <bob2> one: depends how it's configured [04:53] <codecaine> one, unless you got cd enabled in sources.list [04:53] <one> I need ndiswrapper-utils, unfortunately i cannot apt get it [04:53] <cafuego> it logs remote access from russia, it might as well not exist at all. [04:53] <desrt> xrdb, mkfontdir, xset, xkb*, sessreg, all missing.... [04:53] <scythe> not always... one it can install from cd it it ... what codecaine said [04:53] <one> confusing im not used to debian ive used slack for 10 years [04:54] <calc> desrt: yea, xbase-clients can be worked around if you know what to install, but xutils is totally gone [04:54] <one> In order to get internet to work I need ndiswrapper [04:54] <codecaine> one, why did u switch? [04:54] <one> can I just download the .deb? [04:54] <nJess> question, how long to compile the most recent kernel on a p3 1ghz? [04:54] <deprave[tm] > another question is it possible to get aol to dialup on linux? [04:54] <codecaine> one, its in repos yeah [04:54] <one> Codecaine: Because my laptops graphics (radeon9700) wont work on slack [04:54] <one> they work really well on ubuntu [04:54] <cafuego> calc: So you temporarily install the previous version, which you didn't trash from /var/acache/apt/archives [04:54] <one> slack + fglrx = poop [04:54] <scythe> njess... you may just want to go get a cup of coffee... in brazil [04:54] <scythe> :) [04:54] <nJess> one, it is in the hoary kernel already [04:54] <one> njess : what is? [04:55] <cafuego> nJess: Depends entirely on what features you enable in the kernel. [04:55] <nJess> sudo apt-get ndiswrapper-utils [04:55] <nJess> and then you should be done [04:55] <one> so i dont need internet connection [04:55] <one> ? [04:55] <revelater> what program do i use to get an email server up and running? [04:55] <codecaine> one, no [04:55] <one> ok [04:55] <nJess> cafuego, i just compiled the source directly [04:55] <codecaine> revelater, bunch of different options, i use postfix and cyrus [04:55] <nJess> :/ [04:55] <scythe> one... your talking on a net connection, why not ftp to a repository... and download it and install it later? [04:56] <bob2> revelater: depends what you want it to do [04:56] <thechitowncubs> Hey guys, I'm having a problem with my sisters computer and its here so I can troubleshoot it. The problem seems to be that the gdm can't start, the cursor shows up, so that sort of shows that X is starting but after that nothing happens. [04:56] <one> Scythe im in my windows xp os right now [04:56] <revelater> codecaine: simple email server [04:56] <bob2> revelater: which you need to define very carefully [04:56] <one> thats how im on the internet [04:56] <one> I need to get it working on my linux [04:56] <one> i need ndiswrapper-utils to get my internet working in linux, I tried downloading the .tar.gz source but it wants kernel sources and I dont have any [04:56] <nJess> one, your ethernet port doesn't work? [04:56] <Computer__Guru> thechitowncubs: well, i was gonna say it sounds like a lock file leftover, but if you see a cursor, i doubt that';s it [04:56] <codecaine> revelater, there are bundles like the smp server or whatever that is based off redhat that has that all built together and configures through web gui [04:56] <one> nJess : Tied to ndiswrapper too [04:56] <one> Im using a Dell Inspiron [04:56] <codecaine> revelater, forget the actual name though [04:57] <one> its unsupported broadcom [04:57] <scythe> thumbdrive, cd, dvd, minidisc, floppy, mount a ntfs partition in linux, there are many ways to get the file to the os once it is downloaded [04:57] <nJess> bah [04:57] <Computer__Guru> rpm is evil. [04:57] <nJess> the only thing that doesn't work out of the box on my acer is the wireless [04:57] <thechitowncubs> Computer__Guru: the last task that was being done on the computer was a cd burn in graveman... and I'm not familiar with what a lock file is so... [04:57] <ryan_> For some reason, my ubuntu machine isnt resoving urls' or even ip's. it gets the internet from another machine (connection to the net is bridged- or should be ) [04:57] <nJess> and i can just wait for linux drivers i suppose [04:57] <revelater> bob2: one that receives mail sent to say... bob@bobsthename.com and sends it to bobs computer [04:57] <one> Scythe I can get the file to the OS.... but when i try to make the sources of ndiswrapper it asks for path to kernel sources [04:57] <ryan_> ive got file shareing working [04:57] <ryan_> but i cant get the dam internet [04:57] <one> I just transfer it from my mounted ntfs partition [04:57] <bob2> revelater: no sending of mail? [04:57] <Computer__Guru> thechitowncubs: type "ls -la /tmp/.X*" [04:57] <ryan_> and i aint got a clue whats wrong [04:57] <Computer__Guru> thechitowncubs: then delete that file [04:58] <revelater> bob2: well, yeah that too [04:58] <Computer__Guru> and try again.. its worth a shot [04:58] <thechitowncubs> Sounds good, I'll check it out [04:58] <thechitowncubs> . [04:58] <one> So if i do sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils Do i need internet access or no:? [04:58] <scythe> then you end up playing in dependancy hell, and doing a lot of rebooting [04:58] <bob2> revelater: postfix, in internet with satellite mode [04:58] <one> BEcause i dont have internet [04:58] <revelater> bob2: this bob is in no way related to you [04:58] <SLSneak> Hello! I'm confused. My headphone connetor doesn't work in ubuntu. Works in windows. Didn't think that was even possible... [04:58] <bimberi> one: yes [04:58] <bob2> revelater: then setup a transport table [04:58] <ryan_> anyone? [04:58] <taboo_> hello there! [04:58] <deprave[tm] > so there is no way to associate this modem with a device path like /dev/modem for when my dialup software requests it? [04:58] <revelater> bob2: tranport table? [04:58] <one> Bimberi : How do i get ndiswrapper-utils on this machine? Can i download the *.deb? [04:58] <bob2> revelater: install postfix for a start [04:58] <bimberi> one: is it a dual boot? [04:59] <bob2> deprave[tm] : sure there is, make the symlink yourself [04:59] <one> will this work -----> dpkg -i --force-all ndiswrapper-utils.deb [04:59] <one> if i find the .deb? [04:59] <revelater> bob2: why does it want to remove exim? [04:59] <deprave[tm] > bob2: should i bother asking how or can you direct me to a guide to figure out how to do it myself, sir? [04:59] <one> bimberi yeah [04:59] <ryan_> For some reason, my ubuntu machine isnt resoving urls' or even ip's. it gets the internet from another machine (connection to the net is bridged- or should be ) [04:59] <bimberi> one: hopefully you won't need the --force-all [04:59] <lucaz__> Im using warty, with gnome 2.8.1. How can I update only the gnome env to 2.10? [04:59] <ryan_> ive got file shareing working [04:59] <bob2> revelater: how many MTAs do you want installed at once? [04:59] <one> Okay ill try to find the .deb [04:59] <ryan_> but i cant get the dam internet [04:59] <revelater> MTA? [04:59] <bob2> ryan_: then obviously it's internet connection is not setup correctly [05:00] <bimberi> one: download the deb from here http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/misc/ndiswrapper-utils [05:00] <bob2> revelater: mail transport agent [05:00] <ryan_> bob2, ive been thru all the settings [05:00] <revelater> bob2: one probably [05:00] <bob2> deprave[tm] : sudo ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem [05:00] <cafuego> lucaz__: You could upgrade to hoary. [05:00] <bob2> revelater: there you go [05:00] <ryan_> and i cant find whats changed [05:00] <scythe> do you have the gateway and routing set up right on both boxes ryan? [05:00] <cs378> time to switch to kubuntu again brb [05:00] <bimberi> one: then boot into ubuntu, mount the windows partition, and install the deb [05:00] <bob2> ryan_: it used to work? [05:00] <lucaz__> I dont wanna upgrade to hoary, only the gnome, can be done? [05:01] <bob2> lucaz__: not reliably [05:01] <ryan_> bob2, yes [05:01] <cafuego> lucaz__: maybe with backports; but by the time you do gnome you've upgraded more than half of the system *anyway* [05:01] <bob2> ryan_: what did you change since it last worked? [05:01] <ryan_> i was on the net browseing, then all of a sudden it stopped resolving urls's [05:01] <kyncani> lucaz__: why don't you want to upgrade to hoary ? [05:01] <bimberi> one: by the look of you won't need the --force-depends (dependencies are libc6 and perl) [05:01] <scythe> would apt-get upgrade gnome work?, would it be reliable? would i be in dependancy hell? [05:01] <ryan_> i thought it was dns or something [05:01] <jasoncohen> i'm trying to resize /home (an ext3 partition) but first i must unmount it. fuser -m shows many processes with c after the #. how do i kill these? [05:01] <cafuego> scythe: It would give you an apt error. [05:01] <revelater> bob2: so satellite system is just a middle man? [05:01] <bob2> ryan_: is /etc/resolv.conf correct? [05:01] <ryan_> but it wouldnt even ping IP's [05:01] <scythe> ryan, can ypu ping past the gateway? [05:01] <jasoncohen> or do they not represent processes? [05:01] <thechitowncubss> Computer__Guru: what was that command? [05:01] <lucaz__> no, I wanna keep this version [05:02] <bob2> jasoncohen: you'll need to logout, for a start [05:02] <thechitowncubss> ls -al /tmp/.X* ? [05:02] <cafuego> lucaz__: Any particular reason? [05:02] <scythe> ok, thanx cafuego [05:02] <deprave[tm] > bob2: annotated, thanks. that network locating device that dealt with lans and modems didn't detect anything on /dev/ttys0 [05:02] <one> where can i find ndiswrapper-utils.deb [05:02] <one> ? [05:02] <ryan_> i can ping the machine thats meant to bridge the connection scythe [05:02] <scythe> can you ping past it? [05:02] <bob2> deprave[tm] : yes, I'd not bother with that tool and instead use the commands I suggsted earlier [05:02] <ryan_> nope [05:02] <bob2> ryan_: you can't ping a bridge [05:02] <bimberi> one: download the deb from here http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/misc/ndiswrapper-utils [05:02] <bob2> that's the point [05:02] <cafuego> ryan_: On the router box, run 'sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1' [05:02] <bob2> if you can, it's not a bridge [05:03] <jasoncohen> bob2, how is one supposed to go about resizing partitions? i tried doing it from the hoary live cd with no partitions mounted including swap on /dev/hda and it failed with some error about not understanding /dev/mapper/... [05:03] <ryan_> no, the machine that bridges the connection from the internet [05:03] <lucaz__> cause I got to many tools for development, and I dont wanna take the risk of the dependencies probl [05:03] <bob2> don't use the word bridge [05:03] <cafuego> ryan_: it's a router, not a bridge. [05:03] <scythe> can you ping the external interface, or just the internal [05:03] <bob2> it has a specific meaning in networking [05:03] <ryan_> cafuego, the machine that your referring to uses dows [05:03] <jasoncohen> bob2, i didn't understand the error since that partition was not on /dev/hda or on any HD [05:03] <scythe> do you have nat running [05:03] <bob2> lucaz__: are they from ubuntu? [05:03] <cafuego> lucaz__: There isn't a dependancy problem with Hoary, it's a stable release. [05:03] <ryan_> its a pc cafuego [05:03] <jasoncohen> bob2, how should i resize /home? [05:03] <ryan_> i use a cat5 crossover [05:03] <one> so all ill need to do is dpkg -i that .deb file right? [05:03] <cafuego> ryan_: Yes, a PC which routes. So it's a router. Not a bridge. [05:03] <kyncani> lucaz__: apt-get dist-upgrade --dry-run will tell you if there are any dependency problem [05:03] <revelater> bob2: umm Satallite system looks like its only for networks? [05:04] <one> Bimberi : All i need to do is dpkg -i <package>.de [05:04] <bob2> jasoncohen: are you sure what you want to do is supported by parted? [05:04] <one> deb [05:04] <ryan_> fair enough then cafuego !_! [05:04] <bimberi> one: yes [05:04] <lucaz__> I got to many tarballs version and stuffs... [05:04] <kyncani> lucaz__: (and there aren't) [05:04] <one> Okay ill let you know how it worked [05:04] <bob2> revelater: you said you want to be able to send mail [05:04] <jasoncohen> bob2, all i wanted to do was shrink an unmounted ext3 partition [05:04] <bimberi> one: k - good luck :) [05:04] <cafuego> ryan_: Technical terms, but they mean there are different solutions [05:04] <scythe> ryan, are you doing network address translation? [05:04] <lucaz__> but, it could be , Im not sure yet :) [05:04] <bob2> jasoncohen: does ext3 support shrinking? [05:04] <revelater> bob2: right, can't it act like the normal internet email servers? [05:04] <jasoncohen> bob2, gparted says it can create, grow, shrink and copy an ext3 partition [05:05] <bob2> jasoncohen: ok [05:05] <jasoncohen> so long as it is unmounted [05:05] <ryan_> scythe, im not sure what that means [05:05] <ryan_> im a bit of a noob [05:05] <kyncani> lucaz__: well, tarball versions is evil. Hope keeping warty won't bring you much more trouble than upgrading smoothly between ubuntu versions ... because you _will_ have to upgrade at some point. Be it hoary or breezy or the next version. [05:05] <bob2> jasoncohen: then logout, make a new user, set their homedir to /var/tmp/ or something, and login as them [05:05] <bob2> jasoncohen: then umount it and do whatever [05:05] <jasoncohen> the problem on the hoary live cd had something to do with parted not understanding LVM most likely [05:05] <lucaz__> and how long does it takes?? [05:05] <jasoncohen> bob2, ok, thanks [05:05] <bob2> jasoncohen: you're using lvm? [05:05] <revelater> bob2: basically i want something like yahoo, but with pop3 like access [05:05] <bimberi> one: make sure you've had a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper as well [05:05] <scythe> does your computer that cant talk to the net have a 192.168.0.x address, or a 10.x.x.x address? [05:05] <bob2> revelater: this is what I meant about defining what you want, btw ;) [05:06] <ryan_> scythe, the router is under that ip [05:06] <kyncani> lucaz__: to make the upgrade ? [05:06] <jasoncohen> bob2, what about / ? i tried resizing my / partition in the live cd with everything unmounted. that's where i got the /dev/mapper error [05:06] <lucaz__> kyncani, you are right.. [05:06] <ryan_> x=2 [05:06] <lucaz__> kyncani, yes.. [05:06] <ryan_> 1** even [05:06] <thechitowncubss> Where can I learn how to create a cd from the command line? [05:06] <revelater> bob2: sorry [05:06] <jasoncohen> bob2, i think the live cd uses some form of LVM for the / partition. it's on /dev/mapper/something off of RAM [05:06] <bob2> jasoncohen: are you using lvm? [05:06] <SLSneak> revelater, gmail has pop3 access, has it not? [05:06] <scythe> you are using a private address... you are using address translation [05:06] <bob2> jasoncohen: er, ew [05:06] <jasoncohen> bob2, not on my installed system [05:06] <scythe> slsneak, yes it does [05:07] <bob2> revelater: figure out exactly what you want, and it's prbably not very hard to do [05:07] <kyncani> lucaz__: 15 minutes manipulation / reading. Maybe two hours upgrading depending on your connection speed, disk speed, ... [05:07] <revelater> SLSneak: i need something other then gmail [05:07] <ryan_> scythe, could we do this in om please, makes it easier (if thats alright with you) [05:07] <scythe> the computer that is providing the connection, can it surf the net? [05:07] <kyncani> lucaz__: you will spend more time making sure your tarball versions work [05:07] <scythe> not a problem ryan [05:07] <lucaz__> kyncani, heheh, right.. [05:07] <kyncani> lucaz__: and try to find packages if they are available to replace your manually compiled progs/libs [05:07] <ZibiKebir> i installed drivers linux-wlan-ng for my wireless card, but then it tells me that the device doesnt exist [05:07] <revelater> bob2: yeah, ok so i need a full on web based email server with pop3 access [05:07] <ZibiKebir> what do i do [05:08] <bob2> ZibiKebir: did you load the module? [05:08] <ZibiKebir> yh [05:08] <bob2> revelater: install postfix, configure it to use your isp's smart host [05:08] <sorush20> have you guys checked out the gentoo room its like.. fortified with oporators... and I just got kicked.. [05:08] <kyncani> lucaz__: the point is that upgrading from warty to hoary is well-tested and a small step. If you keep warty now, the upgrade in 6 months or one year is much more risky ... [05:08] <bob2> revelater: then install dovecot [05:09] <bob2> revelater: or are you planning to do mail for multiple domains or people who don't have local accounts? [05:09] <lucaz__> kyncani, just use apt-get dist-upgrade? [05:09] <skalpel> can someone help me install quicktime on my computer/ [05:09] <revelater> bob2: one domain [05:09] <bob2> lucaz__: wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes [05:09] <kyncani> lucaz__: basically, plus one step or two. There is a page for that on the ubuntu web site [05:09] <lucaz__> right [05:09] <bob2> skalpel: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats [05:09] <revelater> bob2: what do you mean by local accounts? [05:09] <kyncani> lucaz__: like bob2 said :) [05:10] <bob2> revelater: everyone with a mail account will be able to ssh in? [05:10] <revelater> bob2: i want them to pop3 in [05:10] <bob2> revelater: yes, they can do that fine [05:10] <kyncani> lucaz__: better make a small upgrade when you're ready than a big upgrade when you have no other choice [05:10] <revelater> bob2: although they have access they do not know how to use a linux machine :P [05:11] <bob2> revelater: if you're just giving accounts to people on foo.bar.com so they can get mail at user@foo.bar.com. then it's easy [05:11] <bob2> revelater: that's cool [05:11] <kyncani> lucaz__: (my opinion)) [05:11] <lucaz__> and , I could let upgrading and, take a nap for example, back here in brasil it 00:00 : ), it will not 'crash' or something? :) [05:11] <bob2> revelater: then install squirrelmail, and configure it (read /usr/share/doc/squirrelmail) [05:11] <bob2> revelater: and it should all work [05:11] <kyncani> lucaz__: no. [05:11] <kyncani> :) [05:11] <revelater> bob2: so under mail name i would use for instance fritztheprinter.com? [05:12] <jasoncohen> bob2, good suggestion. i'm now logged in as temp with my home in /var/tmp/temp and i was able to unmount /home without issue [05:12] <ZibiKebir> bob2: can you help me with that [05:12] <bob2> revelater: if that's what you want mail sent and received as, yes [05:12] <jasoncohen> bob2, though that doesn't leave me many choices for /. perhaps i need a knoppix livecd to resize [05:12] <bob2> jasoncohen: you won't be able do that without some other system to boot from, yeah [05:12] <bob2> unless yo udid some horrible pivot_root hack [05:12] <bob2> hmm [05:12] <bob2> ZibiKebir: no, sorry [05:13] <bob2> ZibiKebir: try asking on the mailing lixst, I guess [05:13] <jasoncohen> bob2, i don't understand why ext3 can't be resized live like ext2. [05:13] <ZibiKebir> where is that at [05:13] <jasoncohen> or why the hoary live cd wouldn't let me resize an unmounted partition on a disk with no partitions mounted [05:13] <bob2> ZibiKebir: ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com [05:13] <bob2> jasoncohen: you could remount it as ext2 [05:13] <skalpel> can someone help me with this error? [05:13] <skalpel> E: Couldn't find package jave-package [05:13] <bob2> live resizing of / would make me very nervous, tho [05:13] <scythe> what is the cmd line for getting the config of a network interface [05:14] <bob2> ip a [05:14] <skalpel> i did an update, per instructions on wiki [05:14] <skalpel> and i still get that error [05:14] <scythe> i cant do a ifstatus [05:14] <jasoncohen> bob2, i read that i could remove the journal, mount as ext2, resize, create a journal and mount as ext3 [05:14] <bob2> scythe: "ip a" or ifconfig [05:14] <scythe> thanx [05:14] <lucaz__> kyncani, ok ok, Im convinced.. [05:14] <bob2> jasoncohen: right, as long as it's clean [05:14] <bimberi> skalpel: java-package (ie. a typo)? [05:14] <skalpel> thankyou [05:15] <bimberi> np :) [05:15] <jasoncohen> bob2, next time i'll try a knoppix cd rather than a hoary live-cd. gparted doesn't like LVM [05:15] <bob2> that's bizarre that lvm is involved atll [05:15] <robotgeek> how do i mount stuff as a a normal user? [05:15] <ttj> how do I change the gtk theme? the "load file"-dialogs and such look seriously ugly :/ [05:16] <nevyn> so I got hoary cd's yesterday [05:16] <troy> is there any way to install using kernel 2.6.11 instead of 2.6.10 -- 2.6.11+ will detect my SATA disk, 2.6.10 does not... [05:16] <jasoncohen> bob2, the error was that it didn't understand the /dev/mapper/blah syntax i believe [05:16] <revelater> bob2: how do i edit the postfix config [05:16] <revelater> ? [05:17] <Computer__Guru> thats a good question, troy [05:17] <jasoncohen> parted doesn't know how to resize or work with LVM- but in this case it doesn't matter because i wasn't touching an LVM partition. i was just resizing an unmounted partition on a live cd system that happened to be using LVM [05:17] <revelater> bob2: i just realized that the domain i put could cause trouble [05:17] <bob2> revelater: you shouldn't have to [05:17] <bob2> revelater: /etc/postfix/main.cf [05:17] <jasoncohen> revelater, gedit /etc/postfix/main.cf [05:17] <revelater> jasoncohen: no gnome [05:17] <jasoncohen> revelater, dpkg-reconfigure postfix to go through configuration [05:17] <jasoncohen> revelater, pico /etc/postfix/main.cf [05:17] <bob2> (pico's not in ubuntu) [05:18] <troy> nano :) [05:18] <jasoncohen> bob2, nano? [05:18] <jasoncohen> i use mcedit [05:18] <Computer__Guru> parted resizes partitions.. can it a) resize ntfs partitions (XP), and b) move them ont he disk... in other words, made /dev/hda1 /dev/hda2 and make /dev/hda2 /dev/hda1 [05:18] <user_> hey guys, I just realized for some reason Ubuntu doesnt come with gcc???? [05:18] <bob2> that sounds ridiculously dangerous [05:18] <user_> Or is it hidden i tried to make / compile from source BitchX and it said no gcc [05:18] <troy> user_: apt-get install build-essential [05:18] <bob2> even if it claims to be able to do it [05:18] <jasoncohen> user_, apt-get install build-essential [05:18] <user_> okay [05:18] <bob2> user_: a) it's in the faq, install build-essential [05:18] <Computer__Guru> user_: it doesnt come with a lot of stuff... it's 'end user' oriented [05:18] <bob2> user_: b) bitchx is already in ubuntu [05:19] <user_> I tried running bitchx its not there [05:19] <kove> salut est-ce que il a une canal en francais de ubuntu ? [05:19] <cafuego> user_: apt-get install irssi-text; forget bitchx. [05:19] <jasoncohen> user_, your system doesn't come with everything installed [05:19] <user_> /bin/sh: BitchX: command not found [05:19] <Computer__Guru> is ircii-e3 in ubuntu? [05:19] <kyncani> kove: #ubuntu-fr [05:19] <kove> merci [05:19] <Computer__Guru> what about e3-wd [05:19] <bimberi> !info bitchx [05:19] <revelater> cafuego: HOORA!!! [05:19] <ubotu> bitchx: (Advanced Internet Relay Chat client), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 1:1.0-0c19.20030512-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 1352 kB, Installed size: 6232 kB [05:19] <cafuego> !info ircii [05:19] <jasoncohen> user_, apt-get install bitchx [05:19] <bob2> user_: you'd boviously need to install it [05:19] <ubotu> ircii: (Internet Relay Chat client), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 20030315-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 464 kB, Installed size: 3220 kB [05:19] <revelater> !info irssi [05:19] <bob2> user_: ubuntu has 16 000 packages, installing them all by default would be silly [05:19] <user_> so i dont need to make install crap from source anymore, just apt-get it right? [05:19] <jasoncohen> ubuntu comes with xchat by default [05:19] <bob2> (and impossible) [05:19] <bob2> user_: indeed [05:19] <revelater> !info irssi-text [05:19] <ubotu> irssi-text: (text-mode version of the irssi IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.9-1ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 779 kB, Installed size: 2520 kB [05:20] <Hrmmp> what's pico? [05:20] <jasoncohen> user_, use synaptic to search or apt-cache search [05:20] <SLSneak> reveleater: It can also be a female dog, doesn't have to be a hora [05:20] <Hrmmp> some cli text editor? [05:20] <bob2> irssi-text is a far better choice for a console IRC client, tho [05:20] <jasoncohen> Hrmmp, apt-cache show nano [05:20] <cafuego> Hrmmp: Yes, except we call it 'nano'. [05:20] <bob2> Hrmmp: yes [05:20] <revelater> i like nano [05:21] <Hrmmp> [Computer__Guru] : 3) pico /etc/apt/sources.list <-- "command not found" . . . and it's not just this it's saying to . . . a lot of other things, even for sudo . . . kinda scary, but anyways. How else could I be able to edit that file? [05:21] <troy> I like edit.com ;) [05:21] <Computer__Guru> nano is a clone of pine's pico, the best text editor ever made.. pine had some licensing issues, and a lot of people did not feel the need to install an entire email reader just to get its editor.. so they cloned it and called it nano :D [05:21] <cafuego> Hrmmp: nano /etc/apt/sources.list [05:21] <bob2> Hrmmp: yes, pico isn't in ubuntu [05:21] <bob2> Hrmmp: nano is the Free replacement for it [05:21] <Hrmmp> hrmm, it's saying that for nano too [05:21] <cafuego> Hrmmp: Or, 'sudo ln -sf /usr/bin/nano /usr/lcoal/bin/pico' [05:21] <jasoncohen> why does gparted run e2fsck after every operation? [05:21] <chorton> Does anyone know the name of the prog that let's you run AIM through an irc server? [05:21] <bob2> chorton: bitlbee [05:22] <cafuego> s/lcoal/local/ [05:22] <Hrmmp> Yes, but when I type these commands . . . it returns back the same thing "command not found" . . . the very very basic commands work, like ls, cd, etc. [05:22] <bartekp> hi [05:22] <Hrmmp> Some other traditional way I could edit the file? [05:22] <thoreauputic> erm.. afaik there's a symlink from pico to nano in ubuntu that runs nano... [05:22] <cafuego> Hrmmp: Then you probably don't have a PATH set. [05:22] <cafuego> Although cd is a built-in [05:22] <Computer__Guru> well, you should have nano (pico).. if you dont i dont know whats up with your system [05:23] <cafuego> Hrmmp: Run ". /etc/profile" [05:23] <Hrmmp> cafuego: Doubtful . . . it always worked before . . . but I can check -- what's the command I could run that with again? [05:23] <cafuego> Hrmmp: echo $PATH [05:24] <Hrmmp> And if you don't know, recently . . . things went wrong with my hard drive . . . it forced me to run fsck . . . and being the Windows user I am, I put my finger on the "y" key . . . put my head on it, and went to sleep, so that didn't go so well [05:24] <bob2> ouch [05:24] <bob2> that sounds like your disk is lightly toasted [05:25] <user_> man i am in love with this [05:25] <user_> this is tight [05:25] <catskul> ubuntu apt servers down ? or is it just my connection ? [05:25] <Computer__Guru> get an old copy of norton disk doctor, and get creative with the physical disk editor.. youc an find the holes in your hard drive, and you can mark every sector around them as bad :D [05:25] <user_> configure: error: cannot find setupterm or tgetent [05:25] <bob2> modenr hard drives mark their own sectors as bad [05:25] <user_> what is that? libncurses? [05:25] <SLSneak> catskul, nothing wrong with them. Just used them [05:25] <bob2> user_: libncurses5-dev, possibly [05:25] <bob2> user_: what are you trying to compile? [05:25] <user_> bx [05:25] <zerboxx> din: Hey din [05:26] <bob2> user_: dude, bitchx is already in ubuntu [05:26] <jasoncohen> bob2, it worked- thanks [05:26] <bob2> also it's a terrible irc client [05:26] <bob2> jasoncohen: rock [05:26] <user_> no its not [05:26] <goldfish> indeed. [05:26] <goldfish> irssi > bx [05:26] <jasoncohen> user_, sudo apt-get install bitchx [05:26] <bob2> user_: I'm sorry, it is [05:26] <Computer__Guru> nothing wrong with bx [05:26] <robotgeek> anyone can direct me to mount volumes as a a normal user instead of root? [05:26] <user_> /bin/sh: BitchX: command not found [05:26] <user_> ... [05:26] <jasoncohen> user_, it's in universe [05:26] <bob2> user_: come on dude [05:26] <goldfish> bitchx [05:26] <bob2> user_: that means you didn't install it like we told you to [05:26] <Hrmmp> Computer__Guru: I think that might be too rough on be, as I am a nublet :x [05:26] <user_> i tried apt-get install bitchx that didnt work either [05:26] <thoreauputic> !repos [05:26] <ubotu> [repos] at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [05:26] <bob2> user_: shockingly [05:27] <Computer__Guru> Hrmmp: new hdd then :) [05:27] <jasoncohen> user_, nano /etc/apt/sources.list . uncomment all the lines that have deb and run "sudo apt-get update" [05:27] <bob2> user_: now edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the universe lines [05:27] <ricosuave17> has anyone ever used guinstaller? [05:27] <jasoncohen> !repositories [05:27] <ubotu> I heard repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [05:27] <scythe> robotgeek, gotta edit your /etc/fstab to allow for it [05:27] <ttj> how do I change the gtk theme? the "load file"-dialogs and such look seriously ugly :/ [05:27] <jasoncohen> user_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [05:27] <robotgeek> okay...so,if i just put in user, it should allow me to mount as normal user, right? [05:27] <Hrmmp> Computer__Guru: I'm not at the best financial spot, that's not an option ;\ [05:27] <user_> okay [05:27] <goldfish> What's the best way to install azureus on ubuntu? [05:27] <Hrmmp> Plus! If I somehow troubleshoot this, I'll have "learned" something! [05:28] <frank> goldfish backports [05:28] <Computer__Guru> Hrmmp: your other option is a live cd... but if it wont mount, you're pretty much stuck [05:28] <thoreauputic> ttj: if you want some extra themes, install gnome-themes-extras [05:28] <robotgeek> dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 [05:28] <user_> i uncommented those lines [05:28] <user_> gave me an error [05:28] <ttj> thoreauputic: I'm talking about GTK themes, not GNOME-themes [05:28] <bob2> user_: no, it didn't [05:28] <ricosuave17> umm HELLO???? [05:28] <bob2> perhaps apt did? [05:28] <ricosuave17> HELLO [05:28] <thoreauputic> ttj: ah, OK sorry [05:28] <bob2> ricosuave17: stop it [05:28] <user_> nvm i did apt-get update [05:28] <Computer__Guru> after you uncommented the lines, did you apt-get update [05:28] <ttj> thoreauputic: thanks though (: [05:28] <ricosuave17> help me then [05:28] <user_> maybe it will work now :) [05:29] <bob2> ricosuave17: being obnoxious is not going to encourage people to help you [05:29] <bob2> ricosuave17: what on earth is "guinstaller"? [05:29] <Computer__Guru> ricosuave17: if nobody is answering you, im certain it's because they don't have any knowledge int he area you're asking about. [05:29] <user_> hahaha cool.... thats so much easier than downloading the tar ball [05:29] <ricosuave17> bob2: a gui program to autocompile sources [05:29] <user_> and compiling from source [05:29] <Computer__Guru> not because dont like you or dont think you worthy of assistance [05:29] <user_> Ubuntu > slack for sure [05:29] <robotgeek> it's the new thing from gnu [05:30] <bob2> ricosuave17: why would you use that instead of synaptic? [05:30] <frank> I think its for when you have to compile from source [05:30] <ricosuave17> bob2: casue these program will compile any source code [05:30] <Computer__Guru> user_: apt-get build-dep bitchx && apt-get source -b bitchx && dpkg -i bitchx-blah-blah.deb [05:30] <bob2> no, it won't [05:30] <robotgeek> bob2, it's a new 'package management' from source, dunno details. it was on ars technica or somewhere [05:30] <Computer__Guru> :D [05:30] <bob2> perhaps it installs things that use autoconf [05:30] <skalpel> does anyone else have memory problems when using nicotine? [05:30] <bob2> and automake [05:31] <cafuego> skalpel: yes. [05:31] <user_> amazing [05:31] <cafuego> skalpel: but it's improved a bit since i quit smoking last year [05:31] <ricosuave17> or is there a way to use rpms on ubuntu plz [05:31] <Computer__Guru> that will build it from source custom tailored to your system :D [05:31] <skalpel> cafuego: have you done anything to solve this problem, or gotten any good advice? [05:31] <bob2> ricosuave17: why do you want to use rpms? [05:31] <skalpel> cafuego: gha [05:31] <thoreauputic> skalpel: yeah, cigarettes do that to me too *grin* [05:31] <cafuego> skalpel: I quit smoking [05:31] <bob2> ricosuave17: this would be a lot easier if you asked about whatever specific program you're trying to install [05:31] <vader1102> skalpel: I use nicotine when I smoke but other than that I don't know the "program" lol [05:31] <fp> When I use gnome-vfs for my filechooser all the apps crash when opening files [05:31] <Computer__Guru> cafuego: i havent had a cigarette in 12 days [05:32] <fp> i get gtk_file_system_path_is_local: assertion `path != NULL' failed [05:32] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: 8 months here. [05:32] <bob2> fp: please file a bug [05:32] <funkyHat> ricosuave17, installing from rpm is easy.... [05:32] <Hrmmp> okay, suppose I did want to simply "send" those file over that I want saved . . . over to a network. Well, that's later-talk, my question now is what tool could I use to get these things across. Remember, that I'm a nublet, and only have CLI working [05:32] <scythe> so your name isnt califonia smoke cafuego? [05:32] <Computer__Guru> congrats [05:32] <skalpel> nicotine (the program) is murder on my memory for some reason [05:32] <ricosuave17> funkyHat: plz tell me how to [05:32] <funkyHat> ricosuave17, sudo alien -i packagename [05:32] <fp> k [05:32] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: I'd quite for 3 years before then, then started again for a year. [05:32] <skalpel> does anyone else use a different soulseek client? [05:32] <ricosuave17> thanks funkyHat r u on redhat? [05:32] <vader1102> Computer__Guru: been 5 mins for me lol [05:32] <bob2> ricosuave17: what are you trying to install that isn't in ubuntu? [05:32] <revelater> fuego soesn't mean smoke.... [05:32] <funkyHat> ricosuave17, no, ubuntu [05:32] <revelater> does it? [05:32] <nalioth> Hrmmp: use sftp or ftp for your file transfers [05:32] <vader1102> but congrats [05:33] <Computer__Guru> is there a toolkit that will let me control xmms from xchat? or from the command line in general? [05:33] <scythe> no, it means to go, fumar is to smoke [05:33] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: You're doing great, the first 2 years are the hardest ;-) [05:33] <bob2> Computer__Guru: xmms-shell [05:33] <skalpel> computer_guru: theree are scripts on scripts.xchat.org [05:33] <Computer__Guru> tyvm [05:33] <kyncani> ricosuave17: do not install from source, ever. Use the package manager to install packages [05:33] <user_> E: Package nmap has no installation candidate [05:33] <Computer__Guru> will i need to restart xmms? [05:33] <user_> how do i get nmap? [05:33] <ricosuave17> dude this thingy has no packages. i know how to do sources i used to run slack [05:33] <Hrmmp> gonna get disconnected for a minute here, brb [05:33] <bob2> ricosuave17: you realise guinstaller is useless, right? [05:33] <ricosuave17> why>? [05:33] <bob2> and hasn't been updated since 2003? [05:34] <smack> user_: load up synaptic and run a search for it. ;) [05:34] <ricosuave17> yes but why is it useless [05:34] <user_> whats synaptic [05:34] <thoreauputic> kyncani: that's a bit extreme - compiling is sometimes useful [05:34] <funkyHat> ricosuave17, no, alien is for installing standalone packages that you have downloaded rpms for. for other packages, use aptitude or synaptic [05:34] <user_> is there a manual im suppose to be reading that i missed ^^ [05:34] <user_> i think there is lol [05:34] <bob2> ricosuave17: what specific software are you trying to install that isn't in ubuntu? [05:34] <goldfish> user_: apt-get install nmap [05:34] <smack> user_: it's in the System menu/Administration submenu. [05:34] <user_> goldfish i did that it didnt work [05:34] <Computer__Guru> ricosuave17: partly because it's just as easy, and generally a LOT faster to buil sources from cli.. atop that, pretty much anything you're gonna need is int he universe somewhere [05:34] <user_> thats what gave me the E: [05:34] <bob2> user_: nmap is absolutlely in ubuntu [05:34] <bob2> user_: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood [05:34] <taboo_> hello everybody! [05:34] <bob2> user_: perhaps you didn't uncomment the main line, too [05:34] <Computer__Guru> user_: apt-get -f install [05:35] <kyncani> thoreauputic: yes, just a rule to those that have no idea about synaptic ;) [05:35] <taboo_> i have a question [05:35] <bob2> Computer__Guru: that won't help [05:35] <ricosuave17> nop lots of thing i see on freshmeat r not [05:35] <revelater> bob2: you know anything about connecting to a NT server? [05:35] <bob2> revelater: then learn to do it manually [05:35] <bob2> revelater: define connecting [05:35] <bob2> bah [05:35] <Computer__Guru> bob2: oh.. always works for me when i get an error :D [05:35] <Computer__Guru> bob2: i installed xmms-shell.,. i dont need to restart xmms do i? [05:35] <revelater> bob2: access files [05:35] <revelater> bob2: its a file server [05:35] <mebaran151> VIA Envy [05:36] <bob2> revelater: using smb? select places -> network [05:36] <bob2> ricosuave17: then compile them manually [05:36] <bob2> ricosuave17: or, better still, package them for ubuntu [05:36] <bob2> so everyone can benefit [05:36] <revelater> bob2: i am not using gnome [05:36] <bob2> revelater: install smbfs, man mount (-t smb) [05:36] <smack> If anyone wants to I could use an opinion on a software raid problem. ;) http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/96509133/m/716008554731 [05:37] <taboo_> anybody from the group who is familiar with pgcluster? [05:37] <Computer__Guru> isnt it -t smbfs? [05:37] <bob2> probably [05:37] <ricosuave17> how to package for ubntu and compile by hand?> [05:37] <user_> hmmmmmm [05:37] <bob2> avoiding software raid is a good solution [05:37] <revelater> bob2: ahh, thats what i was missing, arigato [05:37] <bob2> ricosuave17: www.debian.org/devel/, new maintainer's guide [05:37] <bob2> revelater: jamata [05:37] <smack> bob2: I think I've got nforce raid on this mobo but you need proprietary binary drivers for that don't you? [05:38] <bob2> smack: it's not real raid, anyway [05:38] <bob2> user_: uncomment the third line [05:38] <smack> bob2: ya it's just a raid done in the driver. [05:38] <Computer__Guru> bob2: what's the point of this xmms-shell thing? i dont see any commands for next, previous, shuffle, volume control or anything else.. i only see session and path and run options [05:38] <user_> ok [05:38] <smack> I have a 3ware 8006-2lp sitting on my desk also but I wanted to sell it. [05:38] <robotgeek> scythe, dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 should work, right? [05:38] <ricosuave17> bob2: is it hard [05:39] <bob2> ricosuave17: it will require you to learn a lot, yes [05:39] <smack> I figure I should use soem sata ports on my mobo since I got 8 of them on there. [05:39] <user_> didnt work [05:39] <revelater> bob2: this error encountered: [05:39] <user_> E: Package nmap has no installation candidate [05:39] <revelater> Unknown parameter encountered: "netbios" [05:39] <revelater> Ignoring unknown parameter "netbios" [05:39] <ricosuave17> ahhhh [05:39] <Micksa> who wants to help me attempt to revive a hoary install that I just broke? :) [05:39] <user_> how do i install nmap :\ [05:39] <bob2> Computer__Guru: ? [05:39] <bob2> Computer__Guru: "help" [05:39] <user_> says there is no installation candidate [05:39] <bob2> user_: then you didn't edit it properly [05:40] <ricosuave17> the alien thingy worked [05:40] <mebaran151> hey [05:40] <bob2> user_: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list again [05:40] <Micksa> the initrd doesn't seem to be getting used. [05:40] <mebaran151> is the Via Envy compatible with Linux [05:40] <Computer__Guru> bob2: i want to be able to issue a single command that advances xmms's playlist.. you would think this would be xmms-shell next, but that doesnt work [05:40] <bob2> revelater: haven't seen that before, it is -t smbfs, tho [05:40] <Computer__Guru> i found the commands, i just cant execute them externally [05:40] <revelater> bob2: yeah [05:40] <Computer__Guru> which makes xmms-shell pretty useless afaiac [05:40] <mebaran151> anybody know about the Via Envy on Linux [05:41] <SG1> Ok, so this is a new one on me... I have a grub splash that works fine without hiddenmenu.. but when you put in hiddenmenu it goes away unless you hit esc... from what I've read it should still show up.. [05:41] <bob2> Computer__Guru: works for me [05:41] <user_> it works now [05:41] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151: works just fine [05:41] <revelater> bob2: here is command line i entered: debian:~# mount -t smb /192.168.2.11/documents/ /ntshare [05:41] <esac_> hi, i have a wireless card. I have it set to DHCP. it doesn't seem to grab an ip address though (and no dns). if i set it up for static ip, it works. however the odd part is that when i have kcontrol open and on the network settings, it CAN grab an address and nameservers via DHCP .. any ideas ? [05:41] <Computer__Guru> and that's actually a pretty nice processor [05:41] <user_> hey in ircssi is there a macro to swap windows instead of typing /win 1..2 3 etc [05:41] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, all the basic features [05:41] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, yeah I know [05:41] <bob2> revelater: more like " sudo mount -t smbfs -o ro //192.168.1.101/stuff /mnt/kazoo" [05:41] <mebaran151> I got it in my new shuttle PC [05:41] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151: and a lot of advanced ones too... i'll find the website for you, holdon [05:41] <mebaran151> socket 939 YEAH [05:41] <Micksa> grah [05:42] <SG1> Computer__Guru: what are you looking for in way of console players? [05:42] <bob2> Computer__Guru: xmms-shell doesn't respond to "help"? [05:42] <cafuego> socket 939 is old, innit? [05:42] <mebaran151> they use really analogamps and those weird amps of which I forgot the name [05:42] <Micksa> fine [05:42] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, try cplay [05:42] <mebaran151> it works pretty well [05:42] <Micksa> I'll install AGAIN [05:42] <frank> cafuego: socket 939 is the newest amd socket [05:42] <mebaran151> and does everything xmms can do [05:42] <user_> what is 631/tcp open ipp? [05:42] <user_> How do I close port 631 [05:42] <SG1> So anyone have any ideas with my grub oddness? [05:42] <user_> and stop sendmail I do not want these services running on my machine [05:42] <cafuego> frank: No, they have some new 1024-pin thing [05:42] <SG1> user_: its cups.. aka printing. [05:42] <ricosuave17> bob2: u there? [05:42] <Computer__Guru> bob2: it responds to help. you're not listening. I want to be able to issue a command, fromt he command line, without entering interactive mode, that advances the xmms playlist, and there is nothing on how this is done. [05:42] <user_> i want it disabled [05:42] <mebaran151> or ... you could try using one of the bindings to scripted languages and work with it through like the Ruby or Python shells [05:43] <SG1> user_: you can either stop cups if you dont need it... [05:43] <user_> no open ports except ssh [05:43] <SG1> user_: you dont need printing support? [05:43] <bob2> Computer__Guru: because it's such basic shell scripting [05:43] <frank> cafuego: maybe for ECC ram... [05:43] <SG1> user_: ah, ok [05:43] <thoreauputic> user_: it isn't "open" - it only listens on localhost by default [05:43] <user_> sg1 not at this time [05:43] <Hrmmp> Okay, I'm just about ready to cry. It almost seems hopeless now [05:43] <bob2> Computer__Guru: echo next | xmms-shell [05:43] <user_> oh.... so its not remote [05:43] <cafuego> frank: DDR2 and newfangled CPUs. [05:43] <Computer__Guru> that was never my strong suit [05:43] <SG1> user_: then just apt-get remove it [05:43] <ricosuave17> bob2: plz accept my pm [05:43] <bob2> ricosuave17: ? [05:43] <user_> what about sendmail is that local too? [05:43] <cafuego> frank: lwt me dig up the story [05:43] <frank> cafuego: there is a DDR2 chipset for amd? [05:43] <bob2> ricosuave17: no, I'm not going to talk to you in /msg [05:43] <mebaran151> frank, why do you want [05:43] <mebaran151> it [05:43] <bob2> user_: sendmail isn't installed. [05:43] <cafuego> frank: About to be released or just released, yes [05:43] <bob2> user_: postfix is, and is listening on localhost, yes [05:43] <SG1> user_: its probably exim or the link [05:43] <mebaran151> it sounds like alot of trouble [05:43] <thoreauputic> user_: namapping yourself isn;t very useful really ;) [05:44] <Computer__Guru> bob2, that's all i needed, tyvm :) [05:44] <SG1> user_: apt-get install nullmailer [05:44] <mebaran151> high quallity DDR one will be around for quite awhile [05:44] <mebaran151> it cant be released too soon [05:44] <ricosuave17> bob2: fine dude [05:44] <mebaran151> they just realeased a new branch of the architecture [05:44] <bob2> ricosuave17: if you have a question about ubuntu, ask it in here [05:44] <cafuego> frank: next year, my mistake. [05:44] <mebaran151> and they woulod have to do some memory controller redesigning to accomodate the new spec [05:44] <ricosuave17> i want to say im sorry [05:44] <ridejib> 'evening fellas [05:44] <mebaran151> it will be here in a year [05:44] <user_> Okay I did a remote scan of my IP address it says port 80 is open [05:45] <bob2> ricosuave17: it's fine [05:45] <cafuego> frank: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2476&p=1 [05:45] <bob2> user_: then you installed apache [05:45] <mebaran151> user_, port 80 is for http [05:45] <user_> yes i know... [05:45] <goldfish> port 80 is your router prolly [05:45] <goldfish> for web admining of it. [05:45] <user_> oh its my router yeah [05:45] <user_> that's right [05:45] <user_> doh [05:46] <SG1> so... no one has a clue on my grub thing.. [05:46] <SG1> might as well ask #grub [05:46] <SG1> XD [05:46] <SG1> google doesnt want to tell me. [05:46] <ricosuave17> bob2: 2 i wanted to ask what to do with all those deb if i make them [05:46] <mebaran151> SGI, grub is quite dead [05:46] <frank> cafuego: it will be a socket 940 [05:46] <mebaran151> SGI, what is your problem [05:46] <mebaran151> I have fought grub long and hard, in many a war and, uh battle [05:47] <SG1> mebaran151: one sec [05:47] <Razor-X> any non BASH/xCSH users here? [05:47] <SG1> Ok, so this is a new one on me... I have a grub splash that works fine without hiddenmenu.. but when you put in hiddenmenu it goes away unless you hit esc... from what I've read it should still show up.. [05:47] <SG1> mebaran151: thats it [05:47] <mebaran151> SGI, I dont see how they could still show it [05:47] <mebaran151> hiddenmenu by definition hides the grub splash screen [05:47] <Razor-X> SG1: the whole menu is hidden [05:47] <mebaran151> that is what the code does [05:47] <Razor-X> exactly [05:48] <Razor-X> what you want is this [05:48] <SG1> mebaran151: hmm, odd considering I see a bunch of grub examples with both it [05:48] <mebaran151> if you tell it to hide your splash image, it will hide your splash image [05:48] <SG1> mebaran151: saying "heres how to get splash to work" [05:48] <mebaran151> SGI, yeah [05:48] <Razor-X> the only way for a splash without presenting the choices is this: [05:48] <SG1> mebaran151: maybe the functionality changed? [05:48] <Razor-X> hiddenmenu 0 [05:48] <mebaran151> SGI, nope [05:48] <Razor-X> timeout 0 [05:48] <Razor-X> default x [05:48] <Razor-X> where x is the entry you want [05:48] <SG1> Razor-X: hiddenmenu 0? [05:48] <mebaran151> SGI, just use a bootsplash? [05:48] <Razor-X> that should auto-boot the partition you want to boot by default and have a nice splash [05:49] <mangkaryo> hello! anybody knows how to create client.pub in ubuntu? [05:49] <Razor-X> but, you can't access the menu, unfortunately [05:49] <mebaran151> Razor-X, what when he wents to boot all his other OS's [05:49] <mebaran151> which he dearly loves [05:49] <Razor-X> mangkaryo: create it in a text editor [05:49] <Razor-X> mebaran151: ahhh, je comprende [05:49] <SG1> XD I can deal with the menu [05:49] <scythe> everyone should be doing a happy dance for me, i just broke 50k per sec dl speed, ill have my dvd in 4 hours ish [05:49] <SG1> Ill just leave it there [05:49] <esac_> when i take my laptop to work i have to use a proxy server. when i am home i dont. is there a way to have it automatically detect the network i am on (possibly by ip) and change my proxy settings automatically ? [05:50] <SG1> Ok, time for the second question... [05:50] <rob^> I thought that said "lappy dance" for a sec [05:50] <skalpel> is there a channel on freenode for 'nicotine' discussion? [05:50] <Razor-X> esac_: that would be hard, because proxy servers can change [05:50] <Razor-X> skalpel: try #nicotine [05:50] <user_> I just tried to play a mp3 in Xmms and its silent [05:50] <skalpel> nobody there [05:50] <user_> yet sound works in X... why? [05:50] <SG1> Why does ubuntu switch to tty2 near the end of booting.. and spit stuff out there? [05:50] <Razor-X> !tell user_ about restrictedformats [05:50] <thoreauputic> user_: set the output plugin to esound [05:50] <user_> okay xmms looks kind of outdated is there a better music player out now? [05:50] <thoreauputic> user_: in options, prefs [05:51] <mebaran151> Razor-X, I used csh for some time [05:51] <rob^> user_, bmp [05:51] <mebaran151> but found bash better [05:51] <user_> okay [05:51] <Razor-X> SG1: there shouldn't be anything wrong, because all the tty's (save 7) allow you to login [05:51] <frank> user_: beep-media-player [05:51] <user_> apt-get install bmp? [05:51] <rob^> user_, or rhythmbox [05:51] <Razor-X> mebaran151: that's why I said ``except xCSH'' [05:51] <bob2> ricosuave17: you can join #ubuntu-motu and ask them [05:51] <rob^> apt-get install beep-media-player [05:51] <mebaran151> oh sorry [05:51] <Razor-X> CSH is a god-awful shell [05:51] <Razor-X> ;) [05:51] <esac_> Razor-X: but i know the name of my proxy server at work .. all i want is when my IP is 10.0.38.* to use proxy server netproxy:8080 .. and when i am at home (192.168.1.*) dont use a proxy server [05:51] <SG1> Razor-X: oh nothings wrong with it functionally.. [05:51] <mebaran151> Razor-X, you thinking of zsh [05:51] <mebaran151> or some thing like Dash [05:51] <rob^> its the same as xmms. but updated (its a fork) [05:51] <SG1> Razor-X: it just confused the hell out of splashy [05:51] <btsdev> hey.. does anyone know how I can check whether certain kernel options are set for my system? I did NOT custom compile.. i just kept what was given to me from the install [05:51] <Razor-X> esac_: ahhh, you're going to be needing to learn a little bit of iptables [05:52] <ElBarono> erm [05:52] <goldfish> get xmms2 ! [05:52] <SG1> iptables is fun. :) [05:52] <ElBarono> has anyone had a problem with the current firefox where you click on a file link and it doesn't ask you to save the file? [05:52] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I use esh with BASH now, i've looked at zsh, never heard of DASH [05:52] <ElBarono> I have to click on "save link as.." [05:52] <Razor-X> I may try zsh [05:52] <btsdev> zsh is the best [05:52] <Razor-X> ElBarono: there's a setting in your preferences where you can change that behavior [05:52] <btsdev> the tab completion is great [05:52] <Razor-X> I like esh a lot too, if I switch to zsh, i'll switch to zsh coupled with esh [05:53] <scythe> i have, but i havent checked to see if the settings went back to default or not before i complain [05:53] <ElBarono> razor: it seems like a bug to me. I don't know why my preferences would suddenly change in a stream of stable releases [05:53] <Razor-X> esh is like the best of a bunch of shells [05:53] <btsdev> does anyone know how i can check if certain kernel options are set on my system? [05:53] <robotgeek> ElBarono, yup...happened to me too! [05:53] <Razor-X> ElBarono: it happened to me [05:53] <Razor-X> was very infuriating [05:53] <Razor-X> back when they switched the shortcut for the Download Window from C-y to C-e [05:53] <Razor-X> bastards, they've ruined all of Firebird's progress :( [05:54] <konki> PROBLEM: CD drive, is there a command [terminal] in which i can eject the disc? [05:54] <ElBarono> I still have it set to ask me where to save every file [05:54] <robotgeek> lol! [05:54] <Razor-X> konki: eject [05:54] <Razor-X> eject -f if you need to force it [05:54] <robotgeek> konki, eject [05:54] <SG1> Razor-X: hmm, seems to do it right before runlevel 2 [05:54] <Razor-X> SG1: just wondering, anything wrong? [05:54] <ElBarono> it doesn't do anything.. it doesn't download the file, doesn't ask me where to save it [05:54] <konki> eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument [05:55] <esac_> Razor-X: any good tutorials on iptables (starting from a newbie perspective) ? [05:55] <SG1> Razor-X: yeah, splashy gets consufed by it switching to tty2.. and exits earlier that it should. [05:55] <user_> Okay I changed the output plugin to Esound and I Still cannot get music to play in xmms [05:55] <ElBarono> just sits there and pretends it alread downloaded th file [05:55] <Razor-X> konki: eject /dev/path/to/drive/ [05:55] <user_> why is this? [05:55] <scythe> use a paperclip konki [05:55] <Razor-X> SG1: ahhh :( [05:55] <SG1> Razor-X: everything in run level 2 is put on tty2 not tty1 [05:55] <scythe> but power down first [05:55] <Razor-X> try editing the runlevel crap [05:55] <SG1> Razor-X: its quite odd. [05:55] <btsdev> is it even possible to find out, with a default install, whether a certain kernel option is enabled on my system? [05:55] <Computer__Guru> (thanks to bob2) [05:55] <skalpel> does anyone use a soulseek client besides nicotine? or know if there is one that is good? [05:55] <Razor-X> wow, you sure care about your splash ;) [05:55] <ElBarono> btsdev: look in /boot [05:55] <SG1> Razor-X: yeah, but wtf is switching the tty... [05:55] <btsdev> ElBarono: Thanks. [05:56] <ElBarono> there should be a config file for your current kernel [05:56] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: I have total emms control in emacs [05:56] <user_> I changed my XMMS output to Esound and I still cannot play an mp3... what am i missing? [05:56] <konki> scythe, paperclip?? [05:56] <Razor-X> and erc control [05:56] <Razor-X> and esh control [05:56] <Razor-X> ;) [05:56] <Computer__Guru> emacs is frightening [05:56] <SG1> Razor-X: not normally... I just decided that I would since ubuntu is already pretty good looking [05:56] <goldfish> user_: win32codecs [05:56] <SG1> Razor-X: :-P [05:56] <Razor-X> !tell user_ about restrictedformats [05:56] <robotgeek> btsdev, /etc/boot/config(whatvevet) [05:56] <Computer__Guru> you, sir, are a freak.. and i dont care if you ARE sixteen [05:56] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, to vim users it is! [05:56] <cafuego> emacs is a great OS, but a shite editor. [05:56] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: 15 [05:56] <goldfish> vim is nice. [05:56] <Computer__Guru> whatever [05:56] <Computer__Guru> freak [05:56] <Razor-X> I have a saying [05:56] <Computer__Guru> ;) [05:56] <user_> i got no message regarding restrictedformats [05:56] <konki> eject: unable to find or open device for: `/dev/path/to/drive' [05:56] <Razor-X> ``Life 'aint worth living if you 'aint living in grease'' [05:56] <goldfish> !restricted [05:56] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [05:56] <robotgeek> vim forever!! (again) [05:56] <thoreauputic> goldfish: you don't need w32codecs to play mp3 in xmms [05:57] <goldfish> k [05:57] <scythe> most cdroms have a very small pinhole in the front, straighten a paperclip and put it in thehole, that forces the tray out [05:57] <Razor-X> I don't have salads, now why should I have vim? [05:57] <mebaran151> robotgeek, though gedit is growing on me [05:57] <vader1102> konki: if you open a paper clip and put it in that little hole, when powered down it will open the drive [05:57] <mebaran151> and Kate is REALLY nice [05:57] <goldfish> user_: follow that link. [05:57] <Computer__Guru> kate is nice [05:57] <goldfish> wine notepad.exe ! [05:57] <scythe> it will when powered up to, but its not a good idea [05:57] <frank> lol [05:57] <Razor-X> mebaran151: you are one of the few users I know who like a non-vim or emacs editor because they've tried everything else [05:57] <konki> how come everytime i have a cd in i always got to restart and eject... [05:57] <Computer__Guru> hell i didnt even use notepad in windows... i used emeditor [05:57] <Razor-X> nalioth actually prefers nano, and he's tried 'em all too [05:57] <scythe> i prefer pico :) [05:57] <robotgeek> cause it's a nice text editor, unlike a certain "os" editor [05:58] <Razor-X> most just think the others are too complicated and don't really scratch the surface ;) [05:58] <robotgeek> oh the horror! [05:58] <SG1> Razor-X: hey another youngster :) [05:58] <Computer__Guru> yah by way of cli editors, nano is the shiznit.. x-oriented editors, i gotta go with kate [05:58] <konki> vader1102, well thats why am am asking if there is any other way without shutting down... [05:58] <user_> Goldfish im not using rythmbox im using xmms [05:58] <Razor-X> robotgeek: that ``os'' is smaller than a Firefox session [05:58] <user_> it says nothing about playing mp3 in xmms [05:58] <weilawei> scythe, heh i had a friend who had a broken cd burner.. one of the ones with the slide out tray and fold up door.. every so often it wouldnt like something and it would come flying out spinning at several hundred RPM ready to decapitate someone if they were stupid enough to stand in front of the comp [05:58] <Razor-X> yeah, X editors I love Kate [05:58] <user_> it says to play mp3 in rhythmbox install x yada yada [05:58] <SG1> Razor-X: vim all the way! [05:58] <robotgeek> i just use vim all the time [05:58] <robotgeek> even on windows boxes [05:58] <Razor-X> I use emacs in a mini-screen session [05:59] <Computer__Guru> xmms plays mp3's [05:59] <calc> user_: to play mp3 you just need to install gstreamer-mad [05:59] <SG1> robotgeek: me too [05:59] <Computer__Guru> thats kinda why its there [05:59] <calc> user_: er in rhythmbox [05:59] <Razor-X> with the few apps that don't work well in the included terminal emulators of emacs [05:59] <scythe> hehe, saw a video of someone taking an aoldisk and attaching it to a drill , power up, explode the cd [05:59] <user_> ok [05:59] <user_> yeah but im not using rhythmbox [05:59] <vader1102> konki: maybe someone will tell you how to see if there is something using the drive... it sounds like it may need cleaning [05:59] <user_> im trying to use xmms [05:59] <Razor-X> scythe: I gave someone an AOLDisk for his birthday [05:59] <Razor-X> he took it and threw it [05:59] <SG1> robotgeek: the funny thing is.. Im here trying to make bootsplashes work.. when have the time im in vim/screen/tty.. [05:59] <Razor-X> I said ``Why'ld you do that?'' [05:59] <SG1> half* [05:59] <Razor-X> he said ``It's dangerous!'' [05:59] <nalioth> mmmmm nano [05:59] <scythe> anyone here ever call aol tech support and complain they cant get the software to install, knowing they dont support bsd? [05:59] <scythe> :) [05:59] <SG1> :) [05:59] <ElBarono> oh sweet, looks like someone just uploaded 1.0.6 [06:00] <Razor-X> I said ``It's a weapon of mass destruction, you should've used it wisely'' [06:00] <konki> vader1102, cd lens cleaner?? [06:00] <user_> ive never had to install something to play mp3 in xmms [06:00] <Computer__Guru> Razor-X: i have the mimetype for plain/text set to open konsole -e pico OMMAND% [06:00] <robotgeek> user_, try beep-media-player [06:00] <vader1102> yes [06:00] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: hehe [06:00] <user_> didnt really like it... [06:00] <SG1> scythe: sounds fun. [06:00] <user_> liked xmms better [06:00] <robotgeek> SG1, i am on PPC, never used grub [06:00] <vader1102> or the disk needs cleaning [06:00] <funkyHat> ElBarono, you'll have issues upgrading to it if you've got the backported version of 1.0.4 [06:00] <nalioth> Computer__Guru: pico is not "free software" [06:00] <Computer__Guru> i still use lilo [06:00] <user_> I installed gstreamer0.8-mad and xmms still wont play mp3's [06:00] <user_> ??? [06:00] <user_> problem with esound perhaps? [06:00] <weilawei> grub! [06:00] <Razor-X> only thing I don't like about screen, it made my esh prompt purple! [06:00] <SG1> robotgeek: iBook? [06:01] <Razor-X> it was a nice dark red before :( [06:01] <scythe> nalioth, pico isnt "free" [06:01] <Computer__Guru> nalioth: when you install nano, a link to pico is automatically created. i have always used the command pico, and old habits die hard [06:01] <wastrel> ah [06:01] <Razor-X> scythe: it isn't free as in libre [06:01] <konki> well thanks aLL.. prolly gotta restart for an EJECTULATION! [06:01] <joevandyk> So, I got a Sound Blaster card. Do I want to use Alsa with it? Or stick with ESD? [06:01] <robotgeek> SG1, powerbook [06:01] <Razor-X> it is free as in coors [06:01] <nalioth> scythe: yes i know, i was pointing that out to Computer__Guru [06:01] <user_> is it alsa and not esound? [06:01] <Razor-X> (I don't say beer anymore, because of the OSS beer) [06:01] <Razor-X> no, even better [06:01] <Razor-X> free as in biru [06:01] <SG1> robotgeek: :) I run debian and OSX on my ibook [06:01] <Computer__Guru> and i was already aware [06:01] <Razor-X> muahahahaha! [06:01] <scythe> ahh, thought it was gpl'd [06:01] <nalioth> lot of mac hardware in here [06:01] <SG1> robotgeek: I have an 80gb hd I put in myself in my iBookG4 933mhz [06:01] <Computer__Guru> nah, pine was never gpl'd [06:01] <robotgeek> SG1, i got rid of OS X [06:02] <SG1> robotgeek: yaboot! [06:02] <Computer__Guru> and pico is part of pine [06:02] <konki> i usually turn it OFF and then TURN ON, and then EJECTULATION [06:02] <cafuego> nalioth: The only way to get a decent 12" laptop [06:02] <goldfish> i was using a mac g5 powerserver with a 30" monitor in a shop today, it was heaven. [06:02] <wastrel> i killed a 6 month uptime to install ubuntu this evening :] [06:02] <user_> XMMS isnt playing MP3 for me... I chose Esound as output... what am i doing wrong? [06:02] <SG1> robotgeek: heh I need my Airport Extreme somtimes [06:02] <Razor-X> is its really hard to port pico, after all? [06:02] <wastrel> my longest uptime ever [06:02] <nalioth> cafuego: yup [06:02] <goldfish> user_: try alsa. [06:02] <Computer__Guru> no [06:02] <robotgeek> SG1, don't have one. [06:02] <scythe> really, never knew that either [06:02] <Razor-X> I mean, it has like 4 commands XD [06:02] <user_> okay... [06:02] <thoreauputic> konki: your eject problem might be solved by doing : sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/eject (worked for me) [06:02] <robotgeek> Razor-X, not allowed i think. [06:02] <Computer__Guru> pico is ported pretty much everywhere [06:02] <Razor-X> robotgeek: ......? [06:02] <user_> Nope didnt work... [06:02] <Razor-X> pico was ported to nano [06:02] <SG1> robotgeek: well support is coming soon for them :) .. you have a pcmcia slot I dont [06:02] <Computer__Guru> but nano is the gpl version [06:02] <user_> Goldfish still didnt work ... I dont know why [06:02] <thoreauputic> konki: but note that that makes it setuid root [06:02] <vader1102> konki: try cleaning the lense and if it don't work I would be looking for another drive [06:03] <robotgeek> SG1, the project to reverse engineer those cards is coming along pretty well! [06:03] <Razor-X> so, what SH based shells do you people know about? [06:03] <Razor-X> save the ksh abomination? ;) [06:03] <SG1> robotgeek: yes, thats my point! [06:03] <SG1> robotgeek: :) [06:03] <cafuego> nalioth: And I expect more mac users will switch to Linux once they discover how slow Tiger is. [06:03] <vader1102> had this prob with windows machine today [06:03] <user_> Okay XMMS isnt playing MP3's for me, ive tried both eSound and ALSA output plugins and I still cant play mp3... what am I missing? [06:03] <scythe> zsh [06:03] <SG1> robotgeek: Im so happy... by the end of the year..... it might be done. [06:03] <Razor-X> scythe: I knew that -_- [06:03] <konki> vader1102, well i have a laptop jurassic period... [06:03] <goldfish> user_: try beep-media-player [06:03] <SG1> cafuego: tiger==ugh. [06:03] <Computer__Guru> Current song: 14. System Of A Down - Mezmerize - 02 - B.Y.O.B [06:03] <nalioth> cafuego: everyone says it's slow, but it runs quicker on my G3 than the previous ones [06:03] <Razor-X> user_: try VLC [06:03] <user_> okay i will [06:03] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: nice. [06:03] <user_> VLC? [06:03] <Razor-X> it can play almost anything by default [06:04] <konki> thanks thoreauputic, but it didn't work [06:04] <SG1> or mplayer.. [06:04] <Razor-X> !vlc [06:04] <ubotu> hmm... vlc is a media player with native support for a large handfull of popular formats and excellent streaming support [06:04] <cafuego> nalioth: <heh> how much ram do you have in that box? [06:04] <goldfish> vlc is crap for playing music though :) [06:04] <Razor-X> !info vlc [06:04] <cs378> hi ppl, i just did apt-get install tuxkart -- how do i get to run this game? help plz wanna test my 3d acc on ati [06:04] <rommer> goldfish: do u know where to get skins for beep media player? [06:04] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB [06:04] <nalioth> cafuego: 640 (maxxed out) [06:04] <Computer__Guru> goldfish: /exec -o echo current-track | xmms-shell [06:04] <goldfish> rommer: use xmms ones. [06:04] <Razor-X> goldfish: not really, I love it [06:04] <vader1102> konki: so do I lol, that's what it was on....old hardware [06:04] <robotgeek> SG1, yeah...and once the drivers are out...well, pretty much everything on Mac will work on Linux! nice!! [06:04] <Razor-X> only, I use cplay for music [06:04] <goldfish> Razor-X: ah :) [06:04] <thoreauputic> konki: hmm - OK it helped me but your problem is clearly different then [06:04] <Razor-X> if you mean it doesen't have music sugarcoating... sugar rots my teeth [06:04] <rommer> goldfish: ok [06:04] <SG1> robotgeek: yep, and if your in a pince we have MOL [06:04] <SG1> robotgeek: :) [06:04] <Razor-X> in Windows, I use it for music playing [06:04] <goldfish> cplay rocks. [06:04] <cafuego> nalioth: *nod* 512Mb in the mac mini and Tiger is horrendous. Then again, I've got a 1.5GB AMD64 desktop and expect *instant* action when I click stuff. [06:04] <Razor-X> cplay kicks ass [06:05] <Razor-X> it's one of the few apps worth a session outside of my emacs buffers [06:05] <nalioth> cafuego: i always max the ram in my machines [06:05] <cs378> help a newbie plz [06:05] <cafuego> nalioth: The mac mini is going to 1Gb shortly. [06:05] <Computer__Guru> cafuego: how would tiger run on a g3 333mhz w/384mb ram? [06:05] <SG1> Razor-X: have you checked out mpd? [06:05] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to change my identd name in nullidentd? [06:05] <Razor-X> SG1: mpd? [06:05] <robotgeek> Razor-X, However, redistribution of a modified version of Pine requires explicit permission from the University of Washington. hence... [06:05] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: Crap if at all. [06:05] <SG1> Razor-X: Music Player Daemon [06:05] <weilawei> skalpel, don't run identd [06:05] <goldfish> music player daemon [06:05] <SG1> Razor-X: very nice stuff [06:05] <goldfish> it also rocks. [06:05] <robotgeek> SG1, mostly for playing Flash Animations. i don't even bother anymore [06:05] <Computer__Guru> yeah right on... ubuntu with fluxbox should be pretty nice tho [06:05] <skalpel> weilawei: why not? [06:05] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: It would run Linux very nicely, though. [06:05] <weilawei> it literally says "hi my name is blah" and nothing else. it's a security risk at best [06:06] <Razor-X> SG1: cplay is juts based of mpg123 and ogg123 [06:06] <user_> This is starting to get frustrating, for some reason BMP doesnt play MP3's either... why? [06:06] <arentie> I'm having difficulty getting the CUPS Web Admin to work...how do I enable CUPS Web Admin? [06:06] <vader1102> nalioth: so do I, have 2 stix of 256 coming for this laptop... all it will handle [06:06] <nalioth> cafuego: i ordered a 1.8ghzDP powermac t'other day. Do YOU KNOW that it only ships with 128mb ram PER CPU? positively scandalous [06:06] <weilawei> people are deluded if they think it makes their services more secure [06:06] <Computer__Guru> or maybe ill even run windowmaker [06:06] <user_> I have set it to use Esound output and it wont play [06:06] <skalpel> user_: did you set the output to esound? [06:06] <Razor-X> weilawei: if you configure it to sayt hat [06:06] <user_> yes! [06:06] <SG1> Razor-X: it hides in the background ... and has lots of support for lots of things not to mention tons of clients [06:06] <joevandyk> My default sound sink is set to alsa, and the tests (in multimedia system selector) for it work. So, why can't xmms or the gnome sounds use it? [06:06] <Computer__Guru> fastest wm there is, heh [06:06] <cafuego> nalioth: yeah, luckily they're user-servicable though. [06:06] <konki> thoreauputic, thanks it probly worked... what a command 'sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/eject' [06:06] <SG1> Razor-X: check it out when you get bored [06:06] <Razor-X> SG1: where can I read up on this cool thing? [06:06] <skalpel> weilawei: how do i uninstall it? [06:06] <goldfish> flux is nice. [06:06] <Razor-X> and I'm thinking of changing shells too, so you UNIX users, tell me about SH based shells not including ksh and zsh [06:06] <Razor-X> or BASH ;) [06:06] <Computer__Guru> that'll be fun... a menu entry for each and every time you install an application, heh [06:07] <SG1> Razor-X: BASH! [06:07] <goldfish> why not bash? :) [06:07] <weilawei> skalpel, using synaptic? [06:07] <weilawei> do you mean turn it off? [06:07] <skalpel> weilawei: okay [06:07] <user_> Okay I am having difficulty playing MP3 in both XMMS and BMP - Output @ Esound... Why?? any ideas? [06:07] <chaps0063> is there anything that is good to download entire websites? [06:07] <robotgeek> SG1, i din't get what you said about vim...lost u there! [06:07] <SG1> Razor-X: their site has been having issues.. [06:07] <joevandyk> I can use aplay to play wav's just fine. But xmms, mplayer, etc won't play alsa sounds. [06:07] <arentie> I'm having difficulty getting the CUPS Web Admin to work...how do I enable CUPS Web Admin? [06:07] <cafuego> I was speaking with a an apple service person on the weeksna dn they were commenting how they'd already broken several putty knives opening up mac minis <heh> [06:07] <SG1> robotgeek: vim is good :) [06:07] <wastrel> bash [06:07] <Thanatermesis> from what package provides "alsaconf" in ubuntu ? [06:07] <thoreauputic> konki: it makes it think it is running as root ( not something you want to do too often , that chmod) [06:07] <SG1> robotgeek: thats what I say about it ;) [06:07] <robotgeek> SG1, i know...the screen stuff [06:07] <Computer__Guru> user_: is esd started? open a shell and type: sudo esd & [06:07] <SG1> robotgeek: apt-get install screen and then man screen [06:07] <konki> aight [06:07] <Computer__Guru> and see if the daemon starts [06:08] <SG1> robotgeek: screen is very nice.. useful. [06:08] <Computer__Guru> or gives you an error [06:08] <user_> yes [06:08] <user_> esd is started [06:08] <goldfish> screen is great [06:08] <thoreauputic> Thanatermesis: ubuntu doesn't have alsaconf (don't ask) [06:08] <user_> I get sounds in my Xorg [06:08] <konki> anyone know how i can recover files i deleted to TRASH [just now] ? [06:08] <user_> but no music in mp3 player [06:08] <cafuego> konki: open trash, put the files back [06:08] <Razor-X> well actually [06:08] <goldfish> hmmm [06:08] <Razor-X> PM me about the shell alternatives [06:08] <konki> i emptied it.. [06:08] <chaps0063> site ripping software, anything good? [06:08] <cafuego> konki: Then forget it [06:08] <goldfish> Razor-X: fish. [06:08] <Dr_Willis> heh - they aint in the trash then heh heh [06:08] <Computer__Guru> open the preferences of xmms, and on the first plugins tab, click configure driver, and make sure it matches your xorg settings [06:08] <robotgeek> SG1, i had it installed already...hmm, gonna use it for editing python code, i think! [06:08] <tech> hello.. i need help. in some applications, my charset is not correct, or atleast it cant display foreign characters.. [06:08] <Razor-X> I _do_ have finals tomorrow (last day of them), and even though I know the stuff, I should continue cramming [06:09] <konki> i had my commands in there... [06:09] <weilawei> skalpel, if you just want to disable it, it's either an inetd service or a normal daemon. if it's inetd service, you comment the line out in /etc/inetd.conf and if it's running as a standalone, you can use update-rc.d identd remove [06:09] <Thanatermesis> thoreauputic, how to posible to not have alsaconf ? [06:09] <Computer__Guru> Razor-X: if you know it, dont bother yourself with it. you'll do fine. [06:09] <robotgeek> chaps0063, thry searching for httptrack on google [06:09] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: I have a tendancy to do stupid mistakes [06:09] <Computer__Guru> no sense in studying somethig thats already been committed to memory [06:09] <Razor-X> so, practice is of the essence [06:09] <Computer__Guru> ah [06:09] <thoreauputic> Thanatermesis: apparently they decided it caused more problems than it solved [06:09] <Razor-X> that and my dad's gonna shout a storm at me [06:09] <Computer__Guru> gotchya [06:09] <Razor-X> so, yeah ;) [06:10] <SG1> Razor-X: apt-get install mpd when your done with them ;) [06:10] <chaps0063> robotgeek: thanks. [06:10] <Computer__Guru> you live in .au right? [06:10] <SG1> Razor-X: musicpd.org is deadish right now. [06:10] <SG1> Razor-X: :( [06:10] <tech> is there something i should install for having ubuntu display foreign characters correctly? [06:10] <SG1> Razor-X: its nice though.. controllable via ncurses,gtk,web,or plain old command line clients [06:10] <konki> cafuego, is there a ubuntu landfill where i can search for my trash?? [06:10] <SG1> Razor-X: web is php fyi [06:10] <Computer__Guru> the locale for that language would probably be a good idea [06:10] <efigyidol> where is the default vsftpd root set? [06:11] <wastrel> konki if you empty trash, it's gone [06:11] <konki> .list or something?? [06:11] <user_> user 7417 0.0 0.7 5444 4040 ? S 20:04 0:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps [06:11] <user_> I really dont understand why i cant get mp3's to play [06:11] <Computer__Guru> dude [06:11] <robotgeek> wastrel, wudn't undelete work ?? [06:11] <user_> Can anyone shine some light? [06:11] <weilawei> !tell olaf about aol [06:11] <Computer__Guru> your username is user? [06:11] <user_> yeah [06:11] <Computer__Guru> thats kinda cool, heh [06:11] <konki> user_, play it w/VLC [06:11] <user_> Im frustrated i cant play mp3's [06:11] <user_> what's VLC? [06:11] <konki> all kine of files [06:12] <user_> Why should I have to use VLC.... it wont work in XMMS or BMP [06:12] <SG1> user_: what does xmms/bmp do? [06:12] <user_> it says Please check that: [06:12] <robotgeek> user_, we are trying to eliminate causes of error here! [06:12] <konki> plays most medias... VLC media player... [06:12] <user_> Sound card is configured [06:12] <user_> Sound card is not in use [06:12] <SG1> user_: wait [06:12] <user_> Etc... [06:12] <SG1> user_: ok [06:12] <SG1> user_: go into xmms's prefs [06:12] <user_> I set it to esound already [06:12] <SG1> user_: make sure its set to alsa [06:12] <arentie> I'm having difficulty getting the CUPS Web Admin to work...how do I enable CUPS Web Admin? [06:12] <SG1> user_: ah [06:12] <user_> I set to both ALSA and Esound [06:12] <SG1> user_: right gnome [06:12] <regeya_> user_ you probably have esd running in the background, and xmms and bmp probably aren't set to use esd...that's just a guess...listen to SG1... [06:13] <user_> and still doesnt work [06:13] <regeya_> meep. [06:13] <SG1> user_: do you have a light-weight wm installed? [06:13] <user_> I set it to Esound regeya [06:13] <wastrel> robotgeek, dunno never used it [06:13] <user_> SG1 : Like fluxbox or something? [06:13] <bimberi> arentie: Web based CUPS admin is disabled. Use System > Administration > Printing in Gnome [06:13] <Computer__Guru> user_: did you configure the esound driver in xmms? [06:13] <SG1> user_: yeah fluxbox would do [06:13] <SG1> Computer__Guru: he said he tried it [06:13] <user_> Comp : Not really how should i configure it? [06:13] <user_> it had a few limited options [06:13] <Computer__Guru> he said he set it, he didnt say anything about configuring [06:14] <chaps0063> robotgeek: dude, this is working great. [06:14] <Computer__Guru> user_: lok at the settings gnome has for esd, then make sure yours match in xmms [06:14] <user_> okay... [06:14] <Computer__Guru> lemme look at it [06:14] <DekaPink> Yay, back on Ubuntu <3 [06:14] <user_> where is that control panel for Gnome Sound Settings [06:14] <robotgeek> esound sucked for me, i use the OSS setting...weird, but it works great! [06:14] <robotgeek> chaps0063, no problem! [06:14] <user_> Really? hmm [06:14] <Computer__Guru> i dont know, i use kde [06:15] <thoreauputic> user_: some people have had success by installing libmikmod2 I think - but it should be installed as a dep anyway ( dpkg -l libmikmod2 to see ) [06:15] <Computer__Guru> hrmm [06:15] <SG1> ah yeah that was a issue [06:15] <vader1102> konki, bimberi, everyone....night going to bed and maybe I will wake up in a better mood! [06:15] <SG1> thoreauputic: but it wont give an error I dont think.. it just doesnt do anything [06:15] <user_> it wasnt installed thor [06:15] <user_> im installing it now [06:15] <Computer__Guru> hey, try telling xmms to connect to a host for esd, and specify your box's ip address [06:16] <SG1> thoreauputic: it gives the mikmod error in console [06:16] <Computer__Guru> im curious :D [06:16] <konki> vader1102, g'nite thanks [06:16] <user_> Still doesnt work.... [06:16] <thoreauputic> hmm [06:16] <Computer__Guru> ah well, twas worth a shot [06:16] <Computer__Guru> that one really SHOULD work [06:16] <SG1> user_: kill esound [06:16] <SG1> user_: set xmms to alsa [06:16] <user_> Why.... i need esound :( [06:16] <SG1> user_: play music [06:16] <user_> I want sound channels [06:16] <ramblingturtle> how would i go about downloading but not installing packages with apt-get to a specific directory [06:16] <SG1> user_: lol. [06:16] <user_> I want to hear the blips and bleeps [06:16] <user_> when i switch tasks and such [06:16] <Computer__Guru> does esound support ac3 decoding? [06:16] <SG1> user_: I personally have hardware mixing.. so I never run into this. [06:17] <Computer__Guru> that'd be nice to get my 5.1 goin [06:17] <user_> i should have hardware mixing this is a 2003 machine [06:17] <thoreauputic> ramblingturtle: use the -d option (not sure on the specific directory) [06:17] <wastrel> ok what repository do i find nethack in? [06:17] <Computer__Guru> user_: hardware mixing was actually more common with older, better built sound cards [06:17] <SG1> Computer__Guru: my 5.1 works :) [06:17] <SG1> Computer__Guru: actually 7.1 but hey [06:17] <user_> Windows XP Plays multiple sounds at once [06:17] <user_> on this machine [06:17] <Computer__Guru> one of the first to have hardware mixing was the pro-audio spectrum [06:18] <rob^> !alsa [06:18] <ubotu> rob^: Bugger all, i dunno [06:18] <Computer__Guru> probablyt he best stereo card ever produced [06:18] <rob^> hmm [06:18] <rob^> theres a way to do it user_ [06:18] <Computer__Guru> SG1: you using esd? [06:18] <rob^> !sound [06:18] <ubotu> [sound] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 [06:18] <SG1> Computer__Guru: nope [06:18] <thoreauputic> wastrel: nethack is in universe [06:18] <SG1> Computer__Guru: My card supports ardware mixing [06:18] <user_> bah man im about to give up [06:18] <SG1> Computer__Guru: all is alsa here [06:18] <thoreauputic> wastrel: apt-cache policy nethack to see [06:18] <user_> ive never had problems playing mp3's efore [06:18] <SG1> user_: try artsd? [06:18] <SG1> user_: XD [06:18] <user_> lol [06:18] <user_> > > [06:18] <wastrel> thoreauputic, unable to locate package nethack :] [06:19] <Computer__Guru> SG1: I'll have to play with the config then.. i have a built in i810 audio card and it says it has ac3 [06:19] <wastrel> thoreauputic, just finished install, need to add stuff to sources.list ...... [06:19] <user_> i have i810 too i think [06:19] <thoreauputic> wastrel: then you need to add the universe repo [06:19] <Computer__Guru> and i have ac3 compatible speakers [06:19] <bimberi> user_: do you have any sound at all? (eg. system sounds)? [06:19] <SG1> Computer__Guru: i810 anything can be odd... [06:19] <Computer__Guru> i'd LOVE to have 5.1 :) [06:19] <user_> i have an intel ich 5 [06:19] <SG1> Computer__Guru: hmm [06:19] <user_> Yes! Gnome has sound effects [06:19] <SG1> Computer__Guru: I have a friend with an i810 [06:19] <Computer__Guru> I'll just play with the config [06:19] <user_> sound works in gnome just doesnt work in media player [06:19] <SG1> Computer__Guru: I'll ask him next time hes on [06:19] <wastrel> what is 'restricted' repo? [06:19] <user_> cant play mp3 [06:20] <Computer__Guru> ok, but ill probably have it done by then :D [06:20] <Dorfl> Hi. As you can see now, my router isn't having any trouble letting me connect to IRC (and it isn't my ISP either - I've just checked two) when I'm on XP. How do I go about fixing the problem in Ubuntu? [06:20] <joevandyk> How come I don't see alsa-esd in my synaptic? i'm running with 64 bits, btw [06:20] <SG1> user_: so esd works.... oddness [06:20] <user_> yeah [06:20] <crimsun> user_: which media player application? [06:20] <SG1> Dorfl: do you have dhcp on your network? [06:20] <user_> Sound is working in Gnome just fine [06:20] <user_> Crimsun : Ive tried both xmms and bmp [06:20] <user_> Both do not play with Esound plugin selected [06:20] <crimsun> user_: change the output plugins on those to esound [06:20] <Dorfl> SG1: I think so. [06:20] <user_> Been there done that crimsun [06:20] <SG1> Dorfl: what happens on ubuntu? [06:21] <olaf> anyone know of pengaol works on ubuntu? [06:21] <bimberi> user_: Applications -> Sound & Video -> Volume Control - check settings there [06:21] <crimsun> user_: what's your default sink in System> Preferences> Multimedia Systems Selector ? [06:21] <Razor-X> man, does my attention span wander... [06:21] <user_> bimberi Volume is OKAy sounds are heard from Gnome [06:21] <Computer__Guru> Current song: 19. System of a Down - Revenga [06:21] <user_> One sec crimsun Ill check [06:21] <Dorfl> It is stuck on "trying to connect" or something similar. HTTP works just fine. [06:21] <SG1> Razor-X: back to irc we see [06:21] <Razor-X> I just called Leo Laporte: ``The Tech Equivalent of Elvis'' [06:21] <user_> Output : ESD [06:21] <SG1> Dorfl: possible that dns-round robins hated you [06:21] <Dorfl> Trying to connect to the IRC servers, that is. [06:21] <bimberi> user_: yes - got that - still could be a setting tho [06:21] <user_> Crimsun output is ESD [06:21] <SG1> Dorfl: next time try the ip of the server [06:22] <user_> Bimberi my problem is not with audio volume, its that it refuses to open the device and shows a dialog [06:22] <SG1> Dorfl: you can get that by running host irc.freenode.net in console [06:22] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: heh - he'd love that - he used to be a DJ :) [06:22] <user_> I get this error when trying to play MP3's [06:22] <SG1> Razor-X: lol... [06:22] <btsdev> I'm trying to install madwifi... I'm following a recent HOWTO on the ubuntu forums and they told me to 'apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386' and later sets a variable KERNELPATH to /usr/src/linux-2.6.10-5-386 but i don't have that folder.. i only have a 2.6.10-5 and a 2.6.10 *headers* folder. was i supposed to download the kernel source, too? [06:22] <bimberi> user_: k - I'll stop hassling you [06:22] <Dorfl> SG1: OK, thanks. But... can't I fix it so the dns thingie works fine? [06:22] <SG1> Dorfl: that might be a bind issue [06:22] <Razor-X> SG1: I said that ``I'll bet some geek girl will see you, go swoon, and fall because she saw The Leo Laporte'' [06:22] <Dorfl> That is? [06:22] <tech> is there a way to reconfigure ubuntu? i want to change some settings i did in the installation [06:22] <Razor-X> I hope he notices that ;) [06:22] <SG1> Razor-X: lool. [06:22] <Computer__Guru> btsdev: it seems it would have made you do that when it installed the headers [06:23] <SG1> Dorfl: the software that does dns [06:23] <goldfish> tech: whatsettings? [06:23] <Computer__Guru> but it might be in /usr/include [06:23] <Computer__Guru> ill check [06:23] <tech> goldfish, charset [06:23] <wastrel> can't install pymol -> broken dependency. what should i do? [06:23] <Dorfl> I'm a total newbie. Speak plain Gibberish please. [06:23] <user_> HEres my error [06:23] <user_> Please check that: [06:23] <btsdev> Computer__Guru: yea that's what i thought but "ls /usr/src" only shows 2 headers folders... 2.6.10 2.6.10-5 [06:23] <SG1> Dorfl: the other thing is.. its possible... that the server the round-robin picked wasdead [06:23] <user_> Your soundcard is configured properly. [06:23] <SG1> Dorfl: so... [06:24] <user_> You have the correct output plugin selected. [06:24] <Dorfl> I tried several. Including this one. [06:24] <user_> No other program is blocking out the soundcard. [06:24] <SG1> Dorfl:I see. [06:24] <SG1> Dorfl: hrm, thats a new one.. [06:24] <btsdev> Computer__Guru: thanks for checking. [06:24] <SG1> Dorfl: fresh ubuntu install? [06:24] <joevandyk> Why can't mplayer or xmms use alsa when aplay works fine? [06:24] <Dorfl> Yes., [06:24] <user_> Im gonna try mpg123 [06:24] <user_> se eif that can play mp3's [06:24] <Computer__Guru> it's 2.6.10-5, the -386 is a metapackage [06:25] <rob^> what fax program does everyone use? [06:25] <user_> Okay mpg123 says cant find suitable libao driver (is audio device in use?) [06:25] <btsdev> Computer__Guru: hmm i'm not really sure how to get a /usr/src/linux-2.6.10-5-386 folder like the guide has :/ [06:26] <user_> Basically the same error xmms and bmp give me [06:26] <Computer__Guru> btsdev: it's installed in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5 [06:26] <Razor-X> user_: is some other app using audio? [06:26] <Computer__Guru> just make the adjustment, it'll be fine [06:26] <user_> razor : i have esd running [06:26] <user_> but it supports mixing doesnt it? [06:26] <Computer__Guru> or [06:26] <wastrel> any hints on installing pymol? [06:26] <Razor-X> user_: no [06:26] <user_> i thought it's a mixer [06:26] <btsdev> Computer__Guru: oh.. so set the environment variables to THAT folder... sweet [06:26] <user_> how do i get it to support mixing [06:26] <Razor-X> user_: not by default, unless your alsa does [06:26] <thoreauputic> user_: have you tried "killall esd" before running xmms ? [06:26] <joevandyk> Anyone know why I can't play sounds with alsa with xmms or mplayer? [06:26] <btsdev> Computer__Guru: thanks. i'll give it a whorl. [06:27] <user_> do i need a special esound.conf [06:27] <user_> ? [06:27] <Razor-X> you have to do some editing to your alsa stuff [06:27] <Computer__Guru> mv linux-headers-2.6.10-5 linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 [06:27] <user_> for mixer [06:27] <Computer__Guru> or whatever [06:27] <Razor-X> and maybe your esound.conf, I believe [06:27] <jasoncohen> why is resizing of firefox so unsmooth/slow? [06:27] <user_> ok [06:27] <goldfish> alsamixer [06:27] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, did you ever link me to that page about the Via Envy [06:27] <mebaran151> is it as a good a card as my old Audigy 2 [06:27] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151: no, gimme a sec, i forgot [06:27] <mebaran151> I would love to not have to buy another Creative car dagain [06:27] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran151: creative cards are good [06:28] <cs378> What those this mean: dpkg: status database area is locked by another process [06:28] <HrdwrBoB> (for linux) [06:28] <mebaran151> HrdwrBoB, yeah, but I have a SFF [06:28] <mebaran151> with Via Envy [06:28] <btsdev> Computer__Guru: I'm in business. thanks. [06:28] <wastrel> pymol: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4.1-0ubuntu2 is to be installed [06:28] <mebaran151> I hope it is supported ... [06:28] <wastrel> E: Broken packages [06:28] <cs378> nvm got it [06:28] <La_PaRCa> cs378, it means you have one instance of synaptic already running [06:28] <Computer__Guru> yo is it an eden or an envy? [06:28] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran151: envy is supported [06:28] <thoreauputic> cs378: you probably have another apt/synaptic/dpkg instance running [06:28] <cs378> La_paRCa: yeah, thx [06:28] <user_> does anyone have the custom esound.conf for mixing? [06:28] <user_> or know where i can grab it [06:28] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, eden is a really cool microprocessor [06:28] <Razor-X> user_: read up on alsa and dmix [06:28] <user_> so i can have esd running and play mp3's [06:29] <mebaran151> Envy is a snd card [06:29] <mebaran151> that is my next step [06:29] <user_> razor : esd wont support mixing? [06:29] <Razor-X> user_: no you can have esd up and play mp3s [06:29] <joevandyk> I just bought a sound blaster card, but mplayer won't play sounds using alsa. [06:29] <mebaran151> compiling Linux for Eden [06:29] <Computer__Guru> oh durp [06:29] <Computer__Guru> holdon [06:29] <Razor-X> just can't have two of them at once [06:29] <Razor-X> esd uses alsa [06:29] <joevandyk> anyone know why? [06:29] <user_> RazorX : Its not working [06:29] <user_> RazorX : Esd is up, xmms wont play mp3's [06:29] <Razor-X> user_: did you try ``killall esd'' ? [06:29] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151: go to alsa.org and see if the chipset is supported :) [06:29] <Razor-X> and then try playing it again? [06:29] <user_> Why should I have to kill esd if it supports mixing? [06:29] <mebaran151> but I dont know what kind of arch Eden is [06:29] <mebaran151> is ARM [06:29] <Razor-X> user_: ....... it doesen't support mixign [06:29] <mebaran151> or x86 [06:29] <Razor-X> s/mixign/mixing/ [06:29] <user_> Oh heres something funny [06:29] <Computer__Guru> eden is x86, i believe [06:30] <user_> I killed esd and xmms still doesnt play mp3's [06:30] <Razor-X> but mixing and mp3s don't have anything to do with each other [06:30] <mebaran151> what c flags do I mix in to a Via Eden processor [06:30] <Razor-X> mixing allows you to play two simeltaneous streams [06:30] <Razor-X> odd.... [06:30] <user_> RazorX : I want the blips and bleeps from gnome and be able to play music simultaenously [06:30] <thoreauputic> user_: we are troubleshooting... if killing esd works you know esd is the problem, right? [06:30] <user_> when i kill esd i lose the blips and bleeps in gnome [06:30] <Computer__Guru> www.via.com.tw click products, then processors, then eden or eden-n [06:30] <user_> No killing esd didnt work [06:30] <Razor-X> blips and bleeps are generally overridden if you're playing something [06:30] <f4phantom2500> hello [06:30] <user_> razor todays sound cards support multiplexing [06:30] <Razor-X> user_: not all of them [06:30] <user_> you can do multiple sound cards [06:30] <crimsun> user_: not all. [06:30] <user_> multiple sound effects [06:30] <Razor-X> very few support multiplexing by default [06:31] <user_> mine does... [06:31] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, it doesnt talk about Linux much [06:31] <Razor-X> user_: well, is it Linux compatibile? [06:31] <mebaran151> I want to use those nifty cryptographic features [06:31] <f4phantom2500> i had a real quick question...at least i hope its real quick [06:31] <joevandyk> Razor-X, Soundblaster's should support it, right? [06:31] <skalpel> hi, did someone say my name? [06:31] <Razor-X> joevandyk: doubt it [06:31] <user_> anyways I killed esd and i still cant play mp3... [06:31] <mebaran151> skalpel, we did nt [06:31] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151: i believe arch=i686 is appropriate, i586 is definately well suited [06:31] <Razor-X> there's only one that works will in Linux [06:31] <Razor-X> (something by Creative, I believe) [06:31] <user_> my Sigmatel's worked w/ mixing [06:31] <joevandyk> uh, Soundblaster Lives? [06:31] <Razor-X> user_: in what OS? [06:31] <user_> my last dell supported it [06:31] <user_> both winxp and linux [06:31] <crimsun> not all sblives do. [06:32] <user_> this one supports it in winxp but i havent gotten it to work in linux yet [06:32] <Razor-X> user_: WinXP uses software [06:32] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151: show me the specs on this laptop [06:32] <Razor-X> if i'm not mistaken [06:32] <f4phantom2500> does ne1 no how to access files on my windows drive while in ubuntu? [06:32] <Razor-X> and your linux distro might have had multiplexing by default [06:32] <goldfish> f4phantom2500: mount the drive. [06:32] <f4phantom2500> how? [06:32] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows [06:32] <user_> Well what would be the problem if i killed ESD and I still cannot play mp3's? [06:32] <ubotu> I heard mountwindows is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions [06:32] <user_> ESD played sounds FINE.... xmms and bmp do not [06:33] <crimsun> user_: if you killed esd, then how is the esound output plugin supposed to work? [06:33] <robotgeek> lol [06:33] <Razor-X> user_: did you try alsaplayer? [06:33] <user_> What should I change my output plugin to? [06:33] <Computer__Guru> thats why i dont like esd [06:33] <Razor-X> you have to restart esd [06:33] <mebaran151> the Via Envy looks almost as nice as my old Audigy 2, without all the resampling nonsense [06:33] <crimsun> user_: or use alsa or oss [06:33] <thoreauputic> user_: if you kill esd you'll need to select oss or alsa as output in xmms [06:33] <robotgeek> poor guy, must be all confused! [06:33] <user_> MP3 works now [06:33] <user_> no bass though .. sub woofer isnt workin lol [06:33] <crimsun> user_: when did you kill esd? [06:33] <mebaran151> Razor-X, why why hwy [06:34] <crimsun> user_: adjust the LFE and/or Surround elements in your mixer [06:34] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151: yeah, it's a good chip. you're getting an eden in it too? where can i see the specs ont his notebook? [06:34] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I think arTS works better than esd, IMO [06:34] <mebaran151> I think Esd and Arts are equal evils of equal natures [06:34] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, no specs [06:34] <andres> Menu Editor [06:34] <andres> Nama: K3b [06:34] <andres> Command: gksudo /usr/bin/k3b [06:34] <andres> Icon: /usr/share/pixmaps/k3b.xpm [06:34] <andres> Category: Accesorios [06:34] <f4phantom2500> does the fact that windows is on a different hard drive effect this at all? [06:34] <andres> Pulsa Guarda [06:34] <andres> como hacer eso ? [06:34] <mebaran151> built it myself [06:34] <f4phantom2500> i mean is it the same process? [06:34] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: no, arts is more evil [06:34] <Computer__Guru> no shit [06:34] <Computer__Guru> where? [06:34] <mebaran151> it is the built in mother board [06:34] <Razor-X> Andares: #ubuntu-es [06:34] <mebaran151> well I went o Fries [06:34] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: it cooperates for me *shrugs* [06:34] <mebaran151> it is in on eof the HTPC's [06:34] <mebaran151> no name brand [06:34] <user_> lol wtf dude my sub woofer doesnt work [06:34] <user_> >< [06:34] <mebaran151> 350 watt power and PCI-E [06:34] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: I'm sure it does, but it's still more evil :) [06:34] <mebaran151> very interesting setup [06:35] <Razor-X> haha [06:35] <brian__> ok where is bob2? [06:35] <skalpel> does anyone know of a client for soulseek besides nicotine that works well? [06:35] <Razor-X> subwoofers are for people with money [06:35] <Razor-X> which I obviously don't have ;) [06:35] <mebaran151> Razor-X, like me! [06:35] <Computer__Guru> what's the site for the via based system & mobo [06:35] <Computer__Guru> and does the screen come with? [06:35] <Razor-X> mebaran151: my parents have lots of money ;) [06:35] <mebaran151> hmmm, I will find it [06:35] <brian__> damn [06:35] <Razor-X> I don't though, heh [06:35] <mebaran151> Razor-X, try the monsoon line of speakers [06:35] <mebaran151> crystal claer highs [06:35] <Razor-X> mebaran151: how much do they cost? [06:35] <f4phantom2500> im trying to access files from windows; its on a different drive than ubuntu, do i still go through the same process with mounting it and all? [06:35] <user_> okay well i have to say this sound support is cheesy :( [06:36] <user_> my sub woofer isnt even working lol [06:36] <f4phantom2500> i have an audigy es...works fine [06:36] <Razor-X> user_: I don't think it'll work by default [06:36] <joevandyk> Why won't mplayer play alsa sounds correctly? [06:36] <user_> maybe it's a windows xp thing [06:36] <SG1> lol. [06:36] <robotgeek> i have a nice headphones! [06:36] <Computer__Guru> i got a $35 ac3 surround system at wal*mart that sounds like a $300 system. [06:36] <user_> its a inspiron 9100 w/ built in subwoofer [06:36] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: sudo fdisk -l to see your drives and partitions [06:36] <user_> laptop [06:36] <user_> its prolly triggered by software [06:36] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, and you lie! [06:36] <f4phantom2500> it only shows up linux partitions [06:36] <user_> which Linux doesnt have [06:36] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151: excuse me? [06:37] <mebaran151> jk [06:37] <crimsun> joevandyk: are you using -ao alsa ? [06:37] <Computer__Guru> heh [06:37] <f4phantom2500> should it still show the windows one since its on a different drive? [06:37] <bob2> brian__: ? [06:37] <rommer> how can i change the style of text boxes and such [06:37] <joevandyk> crimsun, yup [06:37] <brian__> ok i just purchased cedaga [06:37] <Computer__Guru> seriously, it sounds great [06:37] <mebaran151> I am skeptical of the cheap nature of the expensive sounding speaker systems [06:37] <user_> brian : Does it work with ffxi? [06:37] <brian__> it will support ubuntu? [06:37] <Computer__Guru> no hiss, no buzz... nice deep bass, piercing highs, no distortion at VERY high volume [06:37] <Computer__Guru> excellent little setup.. [06:37] <user_> I want to get cedega to play FFXI in linux but i heard it doesnt work well [06:37] <crimsun> joevandyk: are you using the versions compiled by Ubuntu? [06:37] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, do you know if there are any software DTS-ES decoders for Linux [06:37] <robotgeek> i got my headphones for abt 13$, and they have worked great for 2 years now! [06:37] <Computer__Guru> would like to add an external sub though [06:37] <mebaran151> or Dolby Digital [06:37] <joevandyk> crimsun, not of mplayer [06:37] <Computer__Guru> i dunno [06:38] <brian__> i purchased a whole year [06:38] <mebaran151> I would like to do to make it work [06:38] <brian__> and i am lost [06:38] <Randall64> Anyone happen to upgrade to a breezy libc6 in hoary? [06:38] <crimsun> joevandyk: you compiled mplayer yourself? [06:38] <Computer__Guru> im trying to find out if my ac3 i810 can output 5.1 :) [06:38] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: presumably your windows installation is on /dev/hda1 (unless you did something fancy) [06:38] <bob2> brian__: talk to transgaming [06:38] <Computer__Guru> Current song: 23. Alice In Chains - Man In The Box [06:38] <mebaran151> crimsun, shouldnt you? [06:38] <joevandyk> crimsun, yes [06:38] <crimsun> joevandyk: dpkg -l libasound2-dev|grep ^ii [06:38] <brian__> oh great [06:38] <crimsun> mebaran151: no, it's not necessary [06:38] <f4phantom2500> hmm...yeah probably; nothin fancy [06:38] <mebaran151> crimsun, but you guys always compile it badly [06:38] <jasmuz> Computer__Guru: i doubt it [06:38] <robotgeek> Computer__Guru, the xmms plugin? [06:38] <f4phantom2500> ooo pfft im an idiot [06:38] <mebaran151> no largefile support [06:39] <brian__> bob2 is good for nothin [06:39] <mebaran151> no xvid support out of the box [06:39] <crimsun> mebaran151: how so? [06:39] <f4phantom2500> the window was too small for me to see the top part [06:39] <brian__> apparently [06:39] <bob2> brian__: thanks! [06:39] <f4phantom2500> i only saw the results for hdb [06:39] <brian__> np! [06:39] <f4phantom2500> thanks [06:39] <bob2> brian__: you can apply for a full refund [06:39] <mebaran151> no SSE2 or anything fancy, even on amd64 [06:39] <robotgeek> :) [06:39] <bob2> brian__: you gave them money, presumably they give you support [06:39] <brian__> i dont want to just give up [06:39] <mebaran151> so a good custom compile makes it very fast [06:39] <Micksa> um [06:39] <joevandyk> crimsun, crap, installing libasound2-dev [06:39] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: :) heheh [06:39] <Micksa> how long has mozilla been uninstallable on hoary for? [06:39] <bob2> brian__: they didn't give you any sintructions at all? [06:39] <mebaran151> brian__, transgaming knows it software better than we do [06:39] <Micksa> hang on... [06:39] <trevi> what happend Brian... [06:39] <crimsun> mebaran151: sure, but that doesn't necessarily suit our general audience [06:39] <crimsun> joevandyk: heh, thought so. [06:39] <Computer__Guru> jasmuz: i might have to do some manual compiling and installing, but i'll bet you someone's written a driver for it.. if it works in windows, they like to make sure it works in linux too.. especially if it's a high circulation card, like onboards, especially intel onboards [06:40] <joevandyk> crimsun, what's the difference between alsa and esd? which one should i use? [06:40] <Tommo> How do i install a gnome splash screen? [06:40] <thoreauputic> Micksa: it is installable - I installed it yesterday [06:40] <mebaran151> crimsun, but couldnt you statically compile in SSE2 for the AMD64 guys out there [06:40] <mebaran151> every 64 bit cpu does them [06:40] <joevandyk> with esd, i have mplayer and xmms playing sounds at the same time. [06:40] <brian__> Im just about embark on a long journey [06:40] <mebaran151> and largefile support does cost anything [06:40] <crimsun> joevandyk: esd makes things easier in the short term. You may gain better performance with alsa directly. [06:40] <brian__> just thought i could get some help here [06:40] <trevi> about the GOTY stuff? [06:40] <robotgeek> joevandyk, with esd, my sound really craps out! [06:40] <joevandyk> crimsun, but alsa just supports one sound at a time, right? [06:41] <crimsun> joevandyk: correct, unless your hardware does multiopen natively. [06:41] <kakalto> is there a guide or something to tweaking ubuntu? [06:41] <mebaran151> crimsun, does the Via Envy support that [06:42] <f4phantom2500> thoreauputic: thanks man, looks like it worked [06:42] <Computer__Guru> agpgart: Detected an Intel i845 Chipset. [06:42] <thoreauputic> Micksa: just FYI - mozilla is now invoked as mozilla-suite [06:42] <kakalto> anyone? [06:42] <Computer__Guru> intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 79038 usecs [06:42] <Computer__Guru> intel8x0: clocking to 41162 [06:42] <user_> my built in subwoofer doesnt work [06:42] <joevandyk> crimsun, I just got a sound blaster live card [06:42] <crimsun> mebaran151: what's the underlying chipset? [06:42] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: you're welcome :) [06:42] <mebaran151> a Via Envy [06:42] <Computer__Guru> ac97 is 7.1, no? [06:42] <joevandyk> crimsun, not sure if it does or not [06:42] <user_> w/ oss on my inspiron 9100 [06:42] <crimsun> joevandyk: which sblive? [06:42] <mebaran151> Envy 24PT [06:42] <joevandyk> 24 bits [06:42] <mebaran151> it has very good SNR [06:42] <jasmuz> kakalto: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31094&highlight=setting+ubuntu+network [06:42] <crimsun> joevandyk: no, you'll need to use dmix. [06:42] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, nope [06:42] <joevandyk> dmix? [06:42] <f4phantom2500> thoreauputic: do i have to do this every time i want to access files on it, or is this mount permanent? [06:43] <mebaran151> that is new Azalia Intel standard [06:43] <robotgeek> dmix and alsa. [06:43] <Computer__Guru> so its ac3 [06:43] <crimsun> mebaran151: the snd-hda-intel driver powers that. It does not do multiopen natively. [06:43] <kakalto> jasmuz, is it there? [06:43] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: to make it permanent you need a line in /etc/fstab for it [06:43] <Computer__Guru> okay, either way, it'll do [06:43] <jasmuz> kakalto: search [06:43] <twermund> what are yall talking about? [06:43] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151: did you ever tell me what site you bought the bare system from? [06:43] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: see the bottom of the page ubotu gives below [06:43] <Micksa> okay, it was a mirror problem. [06:43] <Micksa> never mind. [06:44] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, no site [06:44] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows [06:44] <ubotu> rumour has it, mountwindows is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions [06:44] <mebaran151> Fry's Electronics [06:44] <Computer__Guru> oh [06:44] <mebaran151> it was in a little case [06:44] <mebaran151> all alone [06:44] <crimsun> joevandyk: there are some tips for dmix on alsa.opensrc.org under AlsaSharing [06:44] <robotgeek> mebaran151: the one with lindows? [06:44] <mebaran151> like the hardware they dont know what to do with [06:44] <mebaran151> robotgeek, nope [06:44] <mebaran151> it is a bare motherbaord CPU combo [06:44] <Computer__Guru> hahaha [06:44] <jazzanova> hi [06:44] <jazzanova> just installed ubuntu [06:44] <mebaran151> 1 ghz Eden with Via Envy onboard [06:44] <robotgeek> mebaran151: i saw one for 199, with lindows on it [06:44] <f4phantom2500> thoreauputic: oh yeah i think i did that in a walkthrough of sorts on the ubuntu site [06:44] <Computer__Guru> whatd u pay for it? [06:44] <mebaran151> 200 something [06:45] <nicedreams> what do you type to install kde on ubuntu hoary? [06:45] <mebaran151> closer to 300 than 200 [06:45] <Computer__Guru> this is a laptop right? [06:45] <mebaran151> no [06:45] <nicedreams> kubuntu-desktop? [06:45] <Computer__Guru> oh [06:45] <The_Vox> nicedreams: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop [06:45] <mebaran151> just a SFF [06:45] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: the "auto" option in fstab makes it mount on boot [06:45] <nicedreams> the--dud, thx [06:45] <Computer__Guru> i thought you had a laptop [06:45] <mebaran151> without anything else [06:45] <f4phantom2500> i see [06:45] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, I do from Dell [06:45] <f4phantom2500> thanks man [06:45] <nicedreams> just wanted to make sure before i install it [06:45] <Computer__Guru> ah [06:46] <mebaran151> I am going to figure out away to stream movies to it from my main rig [06:46] <robotgeek> dells are just too expensive, and they are supposedly the cheapest around [06:46] <mebaran151> I wonder if I could hack the hardware encrypter to do the MPEG4 codec [06:46] <nicedreams> does having both gnome and kde slow the system down any? like if i'm in gnome, are kde components running in the background? [06:46] <mebaran151> that would be SWEET [06:46] <robotgeek> mebaran151: check out some of bbc's open source stuff [06:46] <mebaran151> similr idea right [06:46] <wastrel> anyone use galeon? [06:46] <mebaran151> both very bit intensive [06:46] <f4phantom2500> well im out i guess [06:46] <Computer__Guru> i had a toshiba satellite a10 2.2ghz pentium-m, 384mb ram, killer ac3, built in mic, 15" panoramic screen [06:46] <mebaran151> bbc's? [06:46] <f4phantom2500> thoreauputic: thanks again dude [06:46] <thoreauputic> wastrel: sometimes, yes [06:46] <Computer__Guru> touchpad [06:47] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: no worries :) [06:47] <mebaran151> because I dont have much to hide, but a lot to encode [06:47] <robotgeek> mebaran151: i tht they had some streaming stuff there, bbc...british brodcasting corp. [06:47] <Computer__Guru> none of that aggrivating nubbin thing [06:47] <f4phantom2500> thoreauputic: saved me quite a bit of trouble [06:47] <mebaran151> and the hardware encoder is supposed to be crazy [06:47] <mebaran151> robotgeek, oh THAT bbc [06:47] <jazzanova> i don't use gnome, i use ratpoison. how can i get the thing about battery status that notifies me ? [06:47] <robotgeek> mebaran151: :) [06:47] <wastrel> thoreauputic, the new toolbar - any way to make it smaller? [06:47] <f4phantom2500> g'night all [06:47] <robotgeek> jazzanova: try torsmo [06:47] <wastrel> thoreauputic, like, remove the text under the buttons? stuff like that [06:47] <Computer__Guru> dell is pretty cheap... [06:47] <thoreauputic> wastrel: I haven't tried, frankly [06:47] <jazzanova> thanks robotgeek [06:48] <mebaran151> I wonder if I could stream over ssh [06:48] <mebaran151> to my friends everywhere [06:48] <Computer__Guru> wal*mart has a C7 1GHz laptop with 40gb, 256, and lindows for $450 [06:48] <Computer__Guru> 14" screen [06:48] <mebaran151> do you think 7 mbps is enough for video [06:48] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, not a bad deal [06:48] <mebaran151> the C7 is an awesome chip [06:48] <Computer__Guru> no, not at _all_ wal*mart.com [06:48] <Computer__Guru> err -* [06:48] <mebaran151> its encryuption abilities are massive [06:48] <mebaran151> reading the specs [06:49] <tech> what would you say would be the main differences beetween ubuntu and debian? [06:49] <mebaran151> it beat a P4 3.2 by like 10 times [06:49] <wastrel> stuipd toolbar takes like an inch of screen space [06:49] <Computer__Guru> not to mention the mobo's built on video decoder [06:49] <mebaran151> and if it can encrypt I can make it run the encoding [06:49] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, it has a built in decoder? [06:49] <Computer__Guru> uh huh [06:49] <mebaran151> the new Nvidias do something like that [06:49] <wastrel> galeon used to be so good :[ [06:49] <mebaran151> the 660 has a programmable interrupt [06:50] <Madpilot> evening, all [06:50] <robotgeek> hi [06:50] <Computer__Guru> every nano-itx board ive ever seen with a via processor has had tv-out, spd/if out, and a built in multi-format video decoder [06:50] <mebaran151> s/660/6600 [06:50] <thoreauputic> wastrel: yes, it's been downhill ever since 1.3 - I use FF mostly now [06:50] <jazzanova> robotgeek: torsmo is in universe, i take it ? [06:50] <mebaran151> does the decoder do mpeg4 [06:50] <robotgeek> jazzanova: i guess so [06:51] <Computer__Guru> i like the idea of a processor that you can run without a fan at full speed.. imagine how far you could overclock that chip if you put a cooling system on it :D [06:51] <wastrel> thoreauputic, yeah FF same .... :/ [06:51] <Computer__Guru> i dunno [06:51] <robotgeek> !info torsmo [06:51] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, probably not that much [06:51] <ubotu> torsmo: (System monitor that sits in the corner of your desktop), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.17-4 (hoary), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 108 kB [06:51] <Computer__Guru> ya never know [06:51] <mebaran151> Eden's are nice for so many things though [06:51] <mebaran151> blade servers [06:51] <mebaran151> (though the Pentium M is great too) [06:51] <mebaran151> but the Eden even more so [06:51] <mebaran151> and thin clients come to mind [06:51] <puff> Hm, I just installed hoary hedgehog, should I update it? [06:51] <Computer__Guru> the c7 pulls like 20w @ 2ghz [06:51] <puff> Er, upgrade via apt. [06:51] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, crazy [06:52] <wastrel> puff yes [06:52] <robotgeek> puff: yeah [06:52] <mebaran151> but what is it's IPC [06:52] <Computer__Guru> yeah [06:52] <jazzanova> i have lots of .deb packages that were shipped with the ubuntu install. does apt see them on my system ? [06:52] <thoreauputic> wastrel: I think there's a need for a *genuinely* lightweight nrowser that will run on old hardware - dillo is too primitive and Firefox is now too slow :/ [06:52] <Computer__Guru> i dunno [06:52] <thoreauputic> *browser [06:52] <mebaran151> thoreauputic, dillo works [06:52] <robotgeek> lynx, elinks :) [06:52] <mebaran151> sorry it is too primitive [06:52] <thoreauputic> mebaran151: I know [06:52] <mebaran151> but that light has to be primitive [06:52] <Computer__Guru> i just think that's pretty cool... a 2ghz processor that produces so little heat it needs no cooling whatsoever [06:52] <puff> is there a package that will set up a cron job to fetch critical security updates nightly? [06:53] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, but I use my CPU to heat my house .... [06:53] <Randall64> When is breezy due for release? Is it fairly stable? [06:53] <robotgeek> puff: you can set it up in your crontab file [06:53] <Computer__Guru> hahaha [06:53] <puff> or, for that matter, any other good security-related packages. I use the tiger package on my debian box. [06:53] <wastrel> thoreauputic, definitely agree. tho i now have decent hardware thank goodness [06:53] <thoreauputic> mebaran151: I use it - but it lacks https and various other things, and renders in a rather odd manner on many pages [06:53] <puff> robotgeek: I'm wary of cronning general upgrades :-). [06:53] <mebaran151> yeah, but https needs openSSL doesnt it? [06:53] <mebaran151> and openssl is pretty huge [06:53] <Mr_Joe> have any body have prob with xmms [06:53] <robotgeek> puff: why? [06:54] <Randall64> Mr_Joe: I have a problem with its horrible interface. [06:54] <Mr_Joe> try apt-get install xmms [06:54] <robotgeek> puff: btw, tiger is in the repos! [06:54] <robotgeek> !info tiger [06:54] <ubotu> tiger: (Report system security vulnerabilities), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1:3.2.1-19 (hoary), Packaged size: 507 kB, Installed size: 2504 kB [06:54] <puff> Er, dist-upgrades. [06:54] <Randall64> Anyone, breezy release? [06:54] <Mr_Joe> intallok with ubuntu but frezz when play mp3 [06:54] <mebaran151> Randall64, like Oct [06:54] <Madpilot> October [06:54] <puff> robotgeek: because I've seen them fail and break a system to often. [06:54] <thoreauputic> wastrel: something like kameleon would be good - unfortunately it's windows-only AFAIK [06:54] <puff> i guess I don't have too much to lose here, considerig. [06:55] <Mr_Joe> install ok with ubuntu but frezz when play mp3 any body with same prob or have solution [06:55] <Randall64> mebaran: I guess I'll have to risk it, since I need a fixed glibc. [06:55] <robotgeek> puff: hmm...i'm gonna keep it till it breaks! :) btw, did u check out "tiger" in the universe repository? [06:55] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3504708 [06:55] <jazzanova> how do i see what cyrrilic true type fonts i have on the system ? [06:55] <puff> Hm, some warning about "You are about to install software that CAN'T BE AUTHENTICATED" [06:56] <Computer__Guru> i was off on ram and hd [06:56] <Computer__Guru> but damn [06:56] <robotgeek> yeah, what's that all abt? [06:56] <Computer__Guru> thats a deal [06:56] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, I would have put on it Suse [06:56] <mebaran151> it is [06:56] <Computer__Guru> id use ubuntu [06:56] <puff> robotgeek: I'll probably be installing tiger, is bastille in there too? [06:56] <mebaran151> I can you can pick up some good RAM for cheap [06:56] <robotgeek> !info bastille [06:56] <ubotu> bastille: (Security hardening tool), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1:2.1.1-11 (hoary), Packaged size: 357 kB, Installed size: 1504 kB [06:56] <mebaran151> 5 hour battery life is NICE [06:56] <puff> i'm not sure it makes as much sense to install samhain on a personal/desktop box. [06:56] <deprave> hehe [06:56] <robotgeek> puff: i am learning again! all new stuff! [06:56] <wastrel> ooookies time to go to bed... [06:57] <deprave> i finaly got ubuntu to dial on aol! =P [06:57] <hybrid_goth> deprave: WOW CONGRATS [06:57] <olaf> how deprave? [06:57] <mebaran151> deprave, now you need it to stop :p [06:57] <Computer__Guru> they pimped that ooo ms-office support feature int hat summary, heh [06:57] <deprave> lol [06:57] <deprave> no i need broadband [06:57] <puff> Any advice on this can't-be-authenticated warning? [06:57] <Randall64> deprave: You mean when someone says "me too," it dials? [06:57] <hybrid_goth> deprave: but it aint running that IE based POS browser is it? [06:57] <olaf> =fellow aoler, please inform me deprave [06:57] <deprave> olaf: penggy [06:57] <olaf> :) [06:57] <deprave> no it's not [06:57] <hybrid_goth> ok [06:57] <deprave> no more annoying "You've got mail" crap [06:57] <olaf> wanna give me a step-by-step on how you got it done? [06:58] <robotgeek> puff: my guess is you need to get gpg keys from somewhere! i am not sure though [06:58] <Randall64> Need to get 502MB of archives. [06:58] <Computer__Guru> LOL [06:58] <deprave> and contrary to belief, this dialup is faster than the other 2 dialups i've used in the past 2 years, but i guess some of that may be due to linux operating [06:58] <Computer__Guru> what're you installing?? [06:58] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, arg [06:58] <Randall64> Maybe I'll just build a few packages. [06:58] <thoreauputic> puff: either it's a 3rd party repo, or you haven't done apt-get update in the last day or so, or there's a gpg problem [06:58] <mebaran151> he's installing breezy [06:58] <Computer__Guru> oh [06:58] <olaf> no step-by-step deprave? [06:59] <Computer__Guru> haha, that's probably going to suck [06:59] <thoreauputic> puff: generally you can ignore those warnings [06:59] <Computer__Guru> i heard breazy wasnt done [06:59] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, how do you instruct the Eden to use the decoder [06:59] <mebaran151> does mplayer just do it [06:59] <puff> thoreauputic: Ah, okay... hm... would multiverse cause that? [06:59] <Randall64> I need a glibc that's been fixed for amd64. [06:59] <mebaran151> Randall64, mine is ok [06:59] <mebaran151> Randall64, how can you apt-get without glibc? [07:00] <Randall64> mebaran151: Are you running mythtv? [07:00] <mebaran151> Randall64, nope [07:00] <thoreauputic> puff: not usually - but it's possible: i sometimes see itif I haven't updated recently [07:00] <mebaran151> GeexBox [07:00] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151: i dont know.. maybe there's a kernel buffer or something.. or maybe a special program designed to look for a hardware decoder before a software one [07:00] <mebaran151> at the moment [07:00] <mebaran151> yeah [07:00] <Computer__Guru> geex is pimp [07:00] <Computer__Guru> we use it on our tv-pc [07:00] <mebaran151> all I got to figure out though is how to make it use the awesome decoder [07:00] <mebaran151> I got to find a Linux DTS-ES decoder [07:00] <Computer__Guru> mplayer very well may have a flag for it [07:00] <thoreauputic> puff: I assume if the repo has changed , the gpg sig changes too [07:00] <mebaran151> I lack any idea how to write it [07:01] <mebaran151> I need to learn to write SSE2 code [07:01] <crimsun> you should be shielded from that [07:01] <thoreauputic> puff: or the md5 sum or both - dunno [07:02] <apolo> hi [07:02] <thechitowncubss> Is it normal for a slow computer to only do one task at a time. [07:02] <thechitowncubss> ? [07:03] <thechitowncubss> 500mhz 256mb ram and it can't handle more than one task at once [07:03] <Computer__Guru> wow [07:03] <thechitowncubss> i launched open office like 6 minutes ago and its just now starting up [07:03] <jasmuz> thechitowncubss: uh?....it should be able to handle more [07:03] <Computer__Guru> try a window manager that takes less system resources [07:03] <thechitowncubss> its installing updates, thats it [07:03] <Computer__Guru> that can take a while [07:04] <thechitowncubss> i know [07:04] <thechitowncubss> but should be able to do more than one thing while doing it [07:04] <Computer__Guru> yeah [07:04] <Madpilot> thechitowncubss: OO is well-known to be bulky - not that MSOffice is any better [07:04] <Computer__Guru> what window manager are you in? gnome? [07:04] <thechitowncubss> I understand that [07:04] <thechitowncubss> ya, gnome [07:04] <thechitowncubss> a fresh install [07:04] <thechitowncubss> how can i see if my hard drive is using dma/ [07:04] <thechitowncubss> ? [07:04] <thechitowncubss> and if its safe to turn it on [07:04] <Computer__Guru> hdparm -d /dev/hda [07:04] <jasmuz> thechitowncubss: you could use XFCE to go nicer on your ram [07:05] <jasmuz> thechitowncubss: yes its safe [07:05] <thechitowncubss> i know of the alternatives [07:05] <mebaran151> crimsun, why [07:05] <thechitowncubss> jasmuz: no not all hard drives work nicely with linux dma [07:05] <Computer__Guru> and hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda if it isnt [07:05] <jasmuz> thechitowncubss: mine do [07:05] <crimsun> mebaran151: because you shouldn't be spending your time worrying about it. The design matters much more. [07:05] <thechitowncubss> congrats [07:05] <Computer__Guru> yeah, particularily 2.5" drives [07:06] <thoreauputic> thechitowncubss: most will be fine - even my ancient 2.2 gig drive on a p200 accepts dma [07:06] <thechitowncubss> :) [07:06] <thechitowncubss> quiet channel tonight [07:07] <mebaran151> crimsun, yep I guess [07:07] <Madpilot> 2.2Gb? wow, that isn't even one DVDs worth o' data... ;) [07:07] <mebaran151> just might be neat to know [07:07] <thoreauputic> the--dud: not really - everyone got quiet when they saw you arrive ;-) [07:07] <crimsun> mebaran151: oh it's certainly interesting as a knowledge base, but it's not something over which I'd really lose sleep. [07:07] <thoreauputic> oops [07:07] <Madpilot> a friend has a 600Mb HDD, still in daily use... [07:07] <jasmuz> Madpilot: you can run a fully fledge linux install from 2 gigs [07:07] <Madpilot> jasmuz: you could even run stock Ubuntu, just barely - I think this is a 1.8Gb install... [07:08] <thoreauputic> thechitowncubss: tab completion error above ^^^ :) [07:08] <mebaran151> crimsun, not planning too [07:08] <jasmuz> Madpilot: yes its 1.3-1.6 gigs [07:08] <mebaran151> I also need to find some sort of display that is Blinkenlights compatible [07:09] <Madpilot> Blinken-what? [07:09] <robotgeek> can't wait for my external usb enclosure to come in [07:10] <robotgeek> then, i can have a 55$ external hard drive! 80 gigs! [07:10] <mebaran151> Madpilot, http://www.blinkenlights.de/arcade/ [07:10] <deprave> wow this is the first time i noticed bitchx had a url catcher [07:10] <deprave> lol [07:11] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/B/blinkenlights.html << blinkenlights :D [07:11] <robotgeek> BEOS legacy, right? [07:13] <astunmarx_> ahoi, sorry i'm a green horn in computing. i use ubuntu hoary hedgehoag. i want to use the mutt program. I can't start it with the command line & i can't read any explanations on the manual, which is installed. is there anybody who can receiving me & give a right answer, how i can handle this problem? [07:13] <Madpilot> oh, that looks like fun. thanks for the links! [07:13] <robotgeek> astunmarx_: what do u mean, can't start it in command line? [07:14] <Madpilot> there are crazed modders who still do blinkenlights things to their boxes [07:14] <thoreauputic> astunmarx_: if you are a greenhorn, mutt isn't a very good choice of email client :) [07:14] <Madpilot> "Knight Rider" lights connected to the HDD Status signal, for ex. [07:15] <thoreauputic> astunmarx_: any particular reason why you want / need to use mutt? [07:15] <robotgeek> maybe in love with cli?? [07:16] <dabaR> hi. [07:16] <astunmarx_> to robot geek (?): i write on command line "mutt", meanwhile synaptic shows me mutt is installed, but mutt doesn't start with this run [07:16] <Madpilot> hi [07:16] <robotgeek> hi [07:16] <cafuego> thoreauputic: only cli access? [07:16] <thoreauputic> cafuego: that's why I was asking, of course :) [07:16] <cs378> u guys think i should install antivirus? [07:16] <cafuego> deprave: yeah, sometimes it auto-fetches. Shall I paste a link to a DVD iso? ;-) [07:17] <robotgeek> astunmarx_: do u have to to ctrl +c it? [07:17] <thoreauputic> astunmarx_: mutt starts in the terminal [07:18] <Randall64> CPU Temp: +65.9?C (low = +0.0?C, high = +70.0?C) [07:18] <dabaR> cs378: not necessarily. If you know where to install from, you are safe, pretty much. Stay away from scripts, and executables on IRC. [07:19] <Madpilot> Randall64: those temps seem pretty high. install another fan? [07:19] <astunmarx_> i try it although in the terminal. and for the spelling of robotgeek, I've had to request "beg pardon"!? [07:20] <dabaR> astunmarx_: /msg ubotu nicktab [07:20] <cafuego> Have those sensors been calibrated? Do they in fact shows the correct temperature? [07:20] <IIIEars> inittab? [07:20] <Randall64> Madpilot: I'm just hoping the sensor is inaccurate. It should be pretty cool with this ugly flower-shaped heatsink. [07:20] <dabaR> cs378: debian/ubuntu/apt install only from repositories you tell it. You should use Ubuntu official repositories. Even if someone hijacks, and pretends they are the repository computers, your apt will give you an error, since the intruder wont be able to authenticate. They have figured this stuff out ok in Linux. [07:21] <thoreauputic> astunmarx_: when you type "mutt" , do you see blue strips top and bottom with words in them? [07:21] <dabaR> IIIEars: try. [07:21] <DanJohn> hi [07:21] <dabaR> yo [07:21] <Madpilot> Randall64: my machine (AMD K7) shows the same temps with lm-sensors/xsensors as it did in XP with Asus's own sensor apps... [07:21] <DanJohn> can somebody help me to get my realplayer working in ubuntu [07:21] <DanJohn> plz help me [07:21] <Madpilot> but if you've got one of the big Zalman heatsinks properly installed, you should be OK? [07:21] <Randall64> Mad: These temp sensors seem to be the least (if you can believe it) standard thing on peecees. [07:21] <DanJohn> i cant play music on www.raaga.com/hindi [07:22] <Madpilot> !mp3 [07:22] <ubotu> rumour has it, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support [07:22] <cafuego> Madpilot: Mine seem fine with the stock OEM fan [07:22] <Meep> Anyone got any good pointers to commercial VPN solutions that support Ubuntu systems as clients well? [07:22] <DanJohn> yes i knoiw vpn [07:22] <DanJohn> goto ubuntu archive [07:22] <DanJohn> and u can follow CISCO VPN client [07:22] <DanJohn> thread [07:22] <DanJohn> its good [07:22] <DanJohn> u got to have the right patch [07:23] <DanJohn> Meep [07:23] <DanJohn> u there [07:23] <Meep> Yeah. [07:23] <DanJohn> ok [07:23] <DanJohn> i had the same prob [07:23] <Meep> CISCO VPN? [07:23] <DanJohn> i found out [07:23] <DanJohn> and i am now using VPN [07:23] <DanJohn> to connect to my workplace [07:23] <Meep> Is the client ipsec or a custom client? [07:23] <DanJohn> yup [07:23] <Yagle> There seems to be packages missing from apt-get, do i need to add other sources? [07:23] <DanJohn> ipsec [07:23] <Meep> FreeS/WAN as the client? [07:23] <astunmarx_> at first to dabaR: is /msg ubotu nicktab a run, & to thoerauputic i doesnt see anything without my commom gnome desktop [07:24] <Madpilot> !repos [07:24] <DanJohn> goto ubuntuforums.org [07:24] <DanJohn> and check therte [07:24] <DanJohn> u will see that thread and one guy has nicely written a lot about it [07:24] <dabaR> Yagle: do you know what you are installing? If so, do: /msg ubotu info packageName, and he will tell you what repository your package is in. [07:24] <DanJohn> check it [07:24] <deprave> is it a difficult task to get identd running on ubuntu for irc purposes? [07:24] <IIIEars> ubotu repositories is also repos [07:24] <crimsun> deprave: no [07:24] <Yagle> ok [07:24] <Meep> Any wpa_suplicate gurus here? [07:24] <Madpilot> IIIEars: ubotu used to know "repos"... [07:24] <crimsun> deprave: it can be as simple as ,,sudo aptitude install oidentd'' [07:25] <deprave> crimsun: have a quick link or insight on how to do it [07:25] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [07:25] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars [07:25] <deprave> with the commas? [07:25] <dabaR> astunmarx_: type in /msg ubotu nicktab instead of your message to the channel. [07:25] <Yagle> ubotu, zomg you not a bot :-\ [07:25] <ubotu> Yagle: I don't know [07:25] <Meep> DanJohn: Is there any suggest search criteria? CISCO VPN returned *LOTS* [07:25] <dabaR> deprave: no [07:26] <Yagle> bah [07:26] <dabaR> he is a bot [07:26] <cafuego> Meep: You'd epect ike/ipsec to be fairly standard [07:26] <efigyidol> how do I find the ip address of an ssh connected user? [07:26] <IIIEars> just end pasted the word repos to whatever info the phrase repositories was :x - i'll fix it. [07:26] <deprave> ok it installed, will it run automaticly after i reboot? [07:27] <cafuego> efigyidol: 'w' [07:27] <Gourami> Hi all, what do I need to change to get my Ubuntu machine to be visible on our windows domain ? [07:27] <IIIEars> !repositories [07:27] <ubotu> from memory, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos [07:27] <Gourami> everything is workin [07:27] <cafuego> efigyidol: See also /var/log/syslog and 'last' [07:27] <efigyidol> cafuego, changed from debian to ubuntu? [07:27] <efigyidol> cafuego: thanks. [07:28] <deprave> how do i run identd or will it run on boot now? [07:28] <Meep> Assuming an IPSEC VPN server, what is the best client? [07:28] <IIIEars> ubotu forget repositories [07:28] <dabaR> deprave: I dont think you need to reboot. [07:28] <dabaR> I think it is running now. [07:28] <Madpilot> it seems really laggy here tonight... [07:28] <cafuego> efigyidol: Only on the desktop. [07:28] <cafuego> (so yes, ubotu runs on sarge) [07:28] <dabaR> not sure how to find out, anyone know how to find out if a server is running, like the oidentd? [07:28] <IIIEars> ubotu repos is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, [07:29] <deprave> dabaR: well, i seem to still be akilled from another network for it [07:30] <crimsun> deprave: make sure your home router/cable modem is forwarding tcp/113 [07:30] <Computer__Guru> bbl [07:30] <deprave> i'm on dialup [07:30] <IIIEars> ubotu are you overworked? - is your database just too large to search quickly? a brother bot machine to share the load? [07:30] <zerboxx> Umm, when in thunderbird I can click the scroll wheel, and a little circle pops up (this is similar to M$), why is it only with thunderbird though? [07:30] <cafuego> Ignore the bot for a moment, I'll check [07:31] <dabaR> zerboxx: cause that program has that feature? [07:31] <dabaR> aww... [07:32] <zerboxx> dabaR: Though in M$ it appears to be a standard feature, I was wondering if it's possible to make it standard in ubuntu aswell, thats all [07:32] <dabaR> I gotta go to sleep early 2day [07:32] <Madpilot> who actually runs ubotu? is he an official Ubuntu project? [07:32] <cafuego> ubotu: you lagging? [07:32] <ubotu> no [07:32] <dabaR> give us more info about the feature, I am not sure at all what you mean? [07:32] <hybrid_goth> lol [07:32] <cafuego> !goo'boy [07:32] <ubotu> Aww, thanks dad. [07:32] <dabaR> bah [07:32] <cafuego> Meep: I run it [07:32] <zerboxx> dabaR: Do you have thunderbird? [07:32] <cafuego> Madpilot: I run it [07:32] <dabaR> zerboxx: nope. [07:33] <dabaR> is it in repos? I think it is, Ill check in a sec. [07:33] <cafuego> Madpilot: he's just a slightly modified blootbot (so he uses the Ubuntu and not debian archives) [07:33] <zerboxx> dabaR: yup, should be :) [07:33] <Seveas> Madpilot, it's not an 'official project' but he's simply the #ubuntu bot :) [07:33] <IIIEars> cafuego encompassed a lot of difficult effort in three little words. - REALLY nice bot cafuego. [07:33] <Madpilot> cafuego: OK, cool. [07:34] <zerboxx> Is there a way to change what goes on when booting up ubuntu? I've seen somethings that I may like to remove?? [07:34] <cafuego> zerboxx: install and run 'rcconf' [07:34] <zerboxx> cafuego: ok, thanks :) [07:35] <Seveas> zerboxx, or look at bum (see the 3rd party section on the forums) [07:36] <dabaR> zerboxx: what again, right click anywhere in the thuinderbird app or what? [07:36] <zerboxx> dabaR: middle click (w the wheel) [07:37] <dabaR> anywhere in the app? [07:37] <ScislaC> is it possible to change the "prefix" for where dpkg will install a deb? [07:37] <zerboxx> dabaR: seems to only work in an email, not sure if it has a "welcome" email or not though [07:37] <zerboxx> dabaR: If you'd like I could take a screenshot and put it up so you can see what i mean (if that would be easier) [07:38] <anacron> can i use cedega in 64bit ubuntu? [07:38] <dabaR> ok, go. [07:38] <HrdwrBoB> anacron: simple answer: no. [07:39] <goldfish> hehe [07:39] <dabaR> simple for him or you? [07:39] <goldfish> difficult answer would be chroot it to a 32-bit enviornment? [07:39] <cafuego> anacron: correct answer: yes. Read up on installing a 32bit chroot and using cedega in that. [07:39] <nicedreams> does ubuntu have a prefetch for faster loading? [07:39] <deprave> can you install different themes for ubuntu gnome? [07:40] <deprave> not that i dislike this brown all too much, just for future reference [07:40] <dabaR> off coourse. go to art.gnome.org and check out the themes and faqs. [07:40] <Madpilot> !themes [07:40] <deprave> nice thanks [07:40] <ubotu> I guess themes is http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ [07:40] <Madpilot> deprave: lots of resources - see ubotu's URLs [07:40] <Madpilot> i like gnome-look.org myself [07:41] <nicedreams> i'm loving this kde 3.4 [07:41] <anacron> cafuego: can i install 64bit ubuntu first and then do that chroot thing? [07:41] <nicedreams> they really made some improvments [07:41] <IIIEars> deprave gnome is almost infinitely configurable - you saw themes in the preferences menu? - there are additional themes available at gnomlook.org [07:41] <goldfish> nicedreams: it rocks. [07:42] <cafuego> anacron: yep [07:42] <anacron> cafuego: great, so i don't have to cancel my installation at this point :) [07:42] <cafuego> anacron: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2740.html [07:42] <Poromies> hi all.. i have a short question: Im using kernel 2.6.12-3 from breezy repos (because of my chipset not working with older ones..) and im trying to install ATI drivers.. the thing is, that there is on "restricted-modules" package for this baby that it needed by the "xorg-fglrx-driver" so installing that doesn't work .. but should it work after i install "fglrx-kernel-source" (ATI binary kernel module source)? [07:43] <Seveas> Poromies, no [07:43] <cafuego> anacron: just use 'hoary' where those docs refer to Sid. [07:43] <zerboxx> dabaR: Currently can't take a screenshot, not sure why, but I'll figure it out :) [07:43] <Poromies> sry for the typos, its like 7am :) [07:43] <Seveas> Poromies, you would need to wait for restricted modules, or better do NOT use 2.6.12 on hoary (it ttends to break a few more things than that) [07:43] <Poromies> havent seen it breaking anything yet [07:45] <deprave> any suggestions on a mp3 player? [07:45] <zerboxx> deprave: I use beep-media-player myself [07:46] <goldfish> mp3blaster for cli [07:46] <goldfish> or beep [07:46] <dabaR> zerboxx: got it. [07:46] <zerboxx> dabaR: perfect! So you see that thing which pops up? [07:47] <dabaR> zerboxx: app specific, can not be set in a wm, is what I would expect. [07:47] <dabaR> I dont know that much tho. [07:47] <zerboxx> dabaR: I figured it was app specific, though I was hoping it may not be :) [07:47] <zerboxx> dabaR: Thanks for checking though! [07:48] <dabaR> wait a sec, tho. [07:48] <dabaR> ta, sure, I was curious myself... [07:48] <dabaR> ta-ya [07:48] <cafuego> argh, 189MB of packages for this upgrade :-P [07:49] <Adross> i have a 40 gig usb hdd. How do i mount it? [07:49] <dabaR> Adross: hm...using gnome? [07:49] <kozlyk> anyone used webmin? [07:50] <highvoltage> kozlyk: yes, lots of people went through that phase [07:50] <Adross> dabaR: your method intrigues me, eloborate [07:50] <deprave> lol [07:50] <anacron> my usb stuff has worked without any mounting with just pluging them in [07:50] <kozlyk> can someone help me with the finishing touches to my samba file server? [07:51] <dabaR> Adross: if you are using gnome, there is a thing that runs with gnome called gnome-volume-manager, and it automounts(or is set to taht by default, anyhow) all shizzes that you connect. [07:51] <zerboxx> Adross: I temporarily had a usb hdd, and it worked just from plugging it in and turning it on [07:51] <hybrid_goth> my psp works the same way [07:52] <dabaR> Adross: if you are not using gnome, well, you could run the volume-manager in a terminal, it should work. [07:52] <Adross> dabaR: no such luck here [07:52] <Adross> dabaR: using gnome, but it did not automount [07:52] <Adross> though that is what usually happens [07:52] <goldfish> Adross: what filesystem is on it? [07:52] <goldfish> fat32 ? [07:52] <Adross> ntfs i think [07:53] <dabaR> Alternatively, you can look for, for example, sudo mount /dev/sda1(which is the device my camera ends up on when I connect it) /media/usbdisk/ [07:53] <Adross> there are a few partitions [07:53] <goldfish> Adross: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/ [07:53] <efigyidol> kozlyk: what do you want help with? [07:53] <Adross> i check /dev for an sda1 entry [07:53] <Adross> not there [07:53] <dabaR> brb [07:53] <goldfish> Adross: tail dmesg, plug it out, plug it back in. [07:53] <kozlyk> i have setup samba/swat and also webmin on a hoary tower [07:53] <hybrid_goth> what would happen if i resized the default partition on my usb drive [07:53] <goldfish> see where dmesg says it is [07:54] <Adross> kk, i'll try that [07:54] <Adross> not here right now [07:54] <kozlyk> on my xp laptop i can see the ubuntu tower, but am still unable to access it [07:54] <Adross> meh, better go, get some of these assignments done [07:54] <Adross> later [07:54] <anacron> hybrid_goth: id say you lose all your data, and get rezised partition :) [07:54] <kozlyk> i have adjusted everything in webmin that i can think of [07:54] <goldfish> depends what you use to resize it hybrid_goth [07:54] <kozlyk> just out of ideas and forums to troll [07:55] <goldfish> i resized my partitions with partition magic and lost no data. [07:55] <efigyidol> kozlyk: have you added the xp user to /etc/smbpasswd? [07:55] <dabaR> ok, well, nothing special from me about that scrolling circle. [07:55] <kozlyk> i'll give a check [07:55] <efigyidol> kozlyk: i've never used the webmin front end (webmin is not very safe to use (i heard)) [07:56] <dabaR> I am going to bed, good night all. [07:56] <hybrid_goth> but would it increase size [07:56] <hybrid_goth> what would multiple partitions do? [07:56] <hybrid_goth> could i mount two sd* from one thumb drive [07:57] <deprave> lol aol on linux [07:57] <deprave> im giggling [07:57] <IIIEars> Samba - How is the workgroup changed? [07:57] <efigyidol> kozlyk: have you looked on the internet for howto guides? it's a good place to start. You probably just missed a few steps. you see you need to set-up a user in smbpasswd using the tools that come with samba. [07:58] <efigyidol> kozlyk: it's probably easier if your samba user is the same as the user on windows xp [07:58] <psychonate> Is there a tool I can use to merge two subrip-style subtitles together, so that the timestamps on the latter subtitle file will be correct after the merge? [07:58] <psychonate> subrip=.srt [07:59] <humbraro> anybody here using an ipod? [07:59] <psychonate> I have an idea to do it without any special tools, but I would prefer an easy fix first. [07:59] <dabaR> thse are quite common. [07:59] <humbraro> i got gtkpod and followed the directions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPodHowto?highlight=%28ipod%29 [07:59] <humbraro> but for some reason it won't sync [08:00] <humbraro> i can't write files to it [08:00] <efigyidol> kozlyk: from memory the command to add a user to smbpasswd is: smbpasswd -a username [08:01] <efigyidol> kozlyk: if your windows xp user was fred then you would just use: smbpasswd -a fred [08:02] <IIIEars> I would like echo to change the workgroup. How is that done? [08:02] <kozlyk> this is the error i get: [08:02] <kozlyk> Is there something i am missing. [08:02] <kozlyk> sorry... [08:03] <kozlyk> Failed to initialise SAM_ACCOUNT for user Graham. Does this user exist in the unix password database? [08:03] <efigyidol> IIIEars: in the conf file workgroup=myworkgroup [08:04] <efigyidol> kozlyk: smbpasswd -a Graham [08:04] <deprave> i'm sorry for my lack of attention, but does anyone have any suggestion for a good mp3 player (maybe something with a resemblance to winamp) [08:05] <thunderbolt> deprave: xmms is my favorite [08:05] <efigyidol> deprave: xmms or bmp [08:05] <goldfish> beep-media-player [08:05] <kozlyk> efigyidol: and i get that error [08:05] <deprave> cool thanks [08:05] <goldfish> or xmms2 !! [08:05] <deprave> is xmms on the base install cd? [08:05] <efigyidol> kozlyk: you need to have a user called Graham on the system [08:05] <goldfish> deprave: no [08:05] <deprave> ok thanks, i'll go download it [08:06] <goldfish> get beep-media-player [08:06] <efigyidol> kozlyk: useradd graham [08:06] <efigyidol> kozlyk: or useradd Graham [08:06] <deprave> ok this is a machine with low resources too, i don't need gaudy stuff [08:06] <goldfish> deprave: wells its basically xmms just newer. [08:07] <deprave> oh ok [08:07] <goldfish> deprave: if u want a console based program get mp3blaster. [08:07] <kozlyk> ok done [08:07] <goldfish> very low on resources :) [08:07] <efigyidol> deprave: xmms and beep media player (bmp) are very similar, beep is a little better in some ways, I don't know if there is much difference in the amount of resources used. [08:07] <kozlyk> however the laptop has an uppercase, however the ubuntu it is forced lowercase. Is that a problem [08:07] <efigyidol> both can be obtained through synaptic [08:07] <rob^> efigyidol, bmp is a fork of xmms with the gtk2 toolkit [08:08] <deprave> synaptic is sort of like the fbsd ports system? [08:08] <efigyidol> rob^: ok [08:08] <x\away> hey rob [08:08] <x\away> i took some advice on the forums [08:08] <goldfish> deprave: no [08:08] <x\away> and downloaded the iso for the cd [08:08] <efigyidol> kozlyk: i'm not sure, try it and find out =) [08:08] <kozlyk> efigyidol: i have a user on ubuntu with the same name as the laptop with xp [08:09] <x\away> someone said they ordered 10 cd's and out of those 10 1 worked [08:09] <kozlyk> i still have that login problem [08:09] <highvoltage> is it possible to use a Promise SX6000 RAID controller with Ubuntu? i (or ubuntu at least) can't find my disks. [08:09] <efigyidol> kozlyk: smbpasswd -a [08:09] <efigyidol> kozlyk: once you have added a system user, you then need to add the same user to samba [08:10] <rob^> x\away, you shouldn't have any problems with the ISO, you can check the md5 if you think you have a dud download [08:10] <rob^> x [08:10] <rob^> x\away, yes, I have had duds sent to me also [08:10] <aru> its the readers at the post office [08:10] <liable> highvoltage: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html [08:10] <deprave> i see neither beep or xmms in the synaptic package manager [08:11] <kozlyk> efigyidol: samba now has graham as a user [08:11] <rob^> deprave, its beep-media-player [08:11] <highvoltage> liable: i'll check that out, thanks [08:11] <kozlyk> efigyidol: at least that is what webmin says :) [08:11] <efigyidol> deprave: synaptic is ubuntus user interface to dpkg, it allows you to install packages easily. there is an even easier to use interface under Applications-> System tools -> add/remove programs [08:11] <deprave> regardless, it's not there [08:11] <deprave> oh so it just manages the packages once they're on the box [08:11] <rob^> ubuntu tell deprave about repositories [08:11] <deprave> gotcha [08:12] <jazzanova> how do i setup russian in ubuntu ? [08:12] <rob^> ubotu tell deprave about repositories [08:12] <deprave> ubotu: don't you dare [08:12] <ubotu> deprave: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [08:12] <jazzanova> i don't have russian in the terminal [08:12] <jazzanova> in xterm [08:12] <hybrid_goth> !repos [08:12] <ubotu> I heard repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [08:12] <efigyidol> lol [08:12] <rob^> deprave, do what ubotu said, its in the universe repo [08:12] <efigyidol> kozlyk, try now [08:12] <deprave> will do [08:12] <x\away> hmm [08:12] <x\away> new day [08:12] <deprave> thanks btw [08:12] <x\away> new webdesign to work on [08:12] <x\away> :/ [08:13] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, I see you got ubuntu installed finally.. [08:13] <kozlyk> efigyidol: nope. when i double-click in xp, it sits for about 20 seconds, then says that it is not accessible [08:13] <ToRTuReD_X> rob [08:13] <ToRTuReD_X> not at all [08:14] <ToRTuReD_X> got most the way through and copped another error [08:14] <ToRTuReD_X> ;/ [08:14] <ToRTuReD_X> so i'm reinstalling tonight [08:14] <ToRTuReD_X> oh and thank you [08:14] <ToRTuReD_X> tried dual booting [08:14] <ToRTuReD_X> killed my windows [08:14] <ToRTuReD_X> ;_; [08:14] <rob^> heh [08:14] <olaf> nice [08:14] <rob^> nice one [08:14] <ToRTuReD_X> had to reformat [08:14] <efigyidol> kozlyk: no error messages? [08:15] <kozlyk> on xp side yeah, it can't get in [08:15] <humbraro> anybody here using an ipod? I can't write files to mine for some reason [08:15] <ToRTuReD_X> [16:12:19] ubotu I heard repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [08:15] <anacron> if i wan't to use cedega, what kind of partition i have to make for games? [08:15] <efigyidol> kozlyk: you might need to tail the smb log and see if anything is happening [08:15] <ToRTuReD_X> also a guide on the ubuntuguide.org site for that [08:15] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, dont recommend ubuntuguide [08:15] <anacron> or is default linux just fine? [08:15] <kozlyk> the network path was not found [08:15] <ToRTuReD_X> i wasn't [08:15] <deprave> thanks for that link, it was most helpful [08:15] <kozlyk> tail? [08:15] <ToRTuReD_X> was saying there's something about that there [08:15] <efigyidol> kozlyk: I don't know if samba has a log file by default, so it mought be in the /var/log/syslog [08:16] <ToRTuReD_X> i can't reccomend nothin rob [08:16] <ToRTuReD_X> don't know the first thing about ubuntu yet [08:16] <ToRTuReD_X> ;p [08:16] <ToRTuReD_X> atleast it's not like other linux's [08:16] <ToRTuReD_X> expecting you to do a whoel heap of commands just to turn it into a GUIU linux [08:16] <ToRTuReD_X> ;/ [08:16] <jazzanova> ok, i figured out that i should be using uxterm [08:16] <ToRTuReD_X> -U [08:17] <psychonate> Yays, I succesfully merged my two subrip-subtitles together with correct timestamps :) [08:17] <jazzanova> but what do I do with sshed connections ? that show not in unicode ? [08:17] <kozlyk> efigyidol: Jul 27 23:16:25 localhost -- MARK -- [08:17] <efigyidol> lol [08:17] <efigyidol> kozlyk: this will help you: http://us5.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch12.html [08:17] <shoshe> hello Ubuntities [08:17] <psychonate> If I get bored, I might be able to write a script for it, but I doubt it :( [08:18] <Madpilot> really, really odd question: is there a ROT13 "utility" hiding in Ubuntu somewhere? ;) [08:18] <efigyidol> lo shoshe [08:18] <drew> does installing apache http server give you nearly everything you need to host a website from your computer? [08:18] <jazzanova> i am having trouble getting skype to work [08:18] <Madpilot> !lamp [08:18] <ubotu> it has been said that lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary [08:18] <deprave> ever since i started this repository package update for synaptec my machine won't resolve hosts =/ [08:18] <humbraro> Madpilot: from memory i think its in bsd-games [08:18] <jazzanova> it says error writing to device.
 hey how do i check what is my kernel version ...im trying to install the damn nvidia driver and need the version no for it ! [08:19] <Madpilot> drew: see ubotu's post [08:19] <Madpilot> humbraro: I'll have a look. thanks. i know I can find ROT13 'translators' online too... [08:19] <thoreauputic> shoshe: uname -r [08:19] <deprave> drew: yes [08:19] <efigyidol> shoshe uname -r [08:19] <drew> deprave, do I still need to buy a domain? or what? [08:20] <IIIEars> Hi throeuputic :) [08:20] <efigyidol> kozlyk: the samba log file is smbd.log, it should be located in /var/log/ [08:20] <thoreauputic> drew: if your ISP allows severs, no
 oo lala ... that worked !! speaking of nvidia ... do u have a nvidia vgs ? [08:20] <drew> thoreauputic, how do I know if they allow servers? [08:20] <efigyidol> shoshe: not on my laptop, but I have one on my desktop and have it running on debian [08:21] <thoreauputic> drew: if you have dynamic IP you will need something like dyndns.org to point at your website [08:21] <thoreauputic> drew: call them and ask?? [08:21] <efigyidol> shoshe: my desktop is currently in six or seven different peices. [08:21] <humbraro> !ipod [08:21] <ubotu> somebody said ipod was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IPodHowto
 and was it easy to install the driver ? cause i got me an old TNT2 card and the driver installation is killing me ! [08:21] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - How can Ubuntu join my windows workgroup DEBIAN_FANS ? [08:22] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: I know nothing about samba, sorry - i use pure NFS and have only linux machines [08:22] <levander> Anybody in here has gotten udftools working? I'm having trouble getting started with it. Don't understand the README.Debian that came with it at all. [08:22] <elad_> Holy crap, did I just connect without having to enter an actual IP address instead of a hostname? [08:22] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - Okay. - Thanks :) [08:22] <m0unds> Hi, everyone. I'm wondering if anyone's familiar with USB microphones? [08:22] <efigyidol> shoshe: i'm not up with the nvidia play, but what I had to do was this: get the driver from nvidia.com for linux, compile it and install it as a module, then configure xorg.conf. [08:23] <elad_> Nope, I probably didn't. Fuck. [08:23] <efigyidol> shoshe: i am a newbie, (kinda) and I managed to find the documentation using google, and get it up and running. (though it took me a while) [08:23] <IceDC571> m0unds: usb microphones on linux ... for me is a nightmare [08:24] <thoreauputic> elad_: is your /etc/resolv.conf OK?
 same here .. me a newbie too .. thats why so many problem i guess ... lolz .. [08:24] <elad_> thoreauputic, that depends. What should be in there? [08:24] <m0unds> IceDC571: have you gotten one to work, or is it an ongoing sort of thing for you too? [08:24] <DekaPink> Ah, there we go... My Ubuntu is just about back to the way it was before I broke it by trying to upgrade to Breezy. xD [08:24] <thoreauputic> elad_: a couple of nameserver addresses [08:24] <IceDC571> m0unds: i got really frustrated and ripped it out... sorry, thats just my experience :) [08:25] <efigyidol> shoshe: google is your friend. ubuntu tntn2 yeilds: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3488.html which should be helpful [08:25] <elad_> Konqueror won't start... WTF?! [08:25] <skalpel> is i t true you can use windows apps in linux? [08:25] <DekaPink> Breezy's name amuses me... My dog's name is Breeze. xD [08:25] <thoreauputic> elad_: IP s to be more precise, of course [08:25] <skalpel> using like an emulator or something? [08:25] <efigyidol> shoshe: thats tnt2 not tntn2 [08:25] <thoreauputic> skalpel: some, yes [08:25] <kozlyk> efigyidol: thanx for that document. i can ping the xp laptop to the ubuntu tower, but the ubuntu tower can't ping the xp laptop [08:25] <DekaPink> skalpel, Yeah... wine or cedega or crossover ovice [08:25] <elad_> All it has is "nameserver 10.0.0.138" [08:25] <skalpel> thoreaputic: how about soulseek? [08:25] <DekaPink> office* [08:25] <skalpel> wine sounds good
 yup .. spelling problem .. :D [08:26] <m0unds> lol, i've got another mic..just didn't wanna have to mess around with it :) [08:26] <DekaPink> skalpel, dosbox for dos stuff xD [08:26] <thoreauputic> elad_: that's a local address - it should be a public address and there are normally 2 of them [08:26] <olaf> wine works perfect [08:26] <olaf> and allows DLLs to be used that aren't natively supported [08:26] <thoreauputic> elad_: unless you use a dns server on your network [08:26] <olaf> and i find that to be rather impressive [08:27] <efigyidol> kozylk: xp may be firewalled off to icmp traffic, it's possible that you can not ping the machine, try turning off the firewall for a few seconds [08:27] <elad_> So what do I do? I can call my ISP, but what would you have me ask them, and how should I use that information? [08:27] <efigyidol> kozylk: and try again
 u play games on ur linux box ? [08:28] <elad_> I definitely need a new HDD, this one must be messed up. Programs keep crashing. How do I fsck? When I tried, it told me my filesystem is mounted and that it's dangerous because of that. [08:28] <efigyidol> shoshe: wolfenstein the new one is free, and its open gl. try that. [08:28] <kozlyk> efigyidol: fantastic [08:28] <goldfish> kozlyk: if u have that windows sp2 firewall on you wont be able to ping it. [08:28] <kozlyk> zonealarm [08:29] <goldfish> ah right [08:29] <elad_> thoreauputic? [08:29] <kozlyk> i didn't put in sp2...messed too many things up [08:29] <kozlyk> :)
 i was going to download the NEXUIS (fps), herd its good .. [08:29] <Echelon-H> how can I make my ubuntu update wine from a repository? [08:30] <pawitp> Is there a frontend for shapecfg [08:30] <kozlyk> efigyidol: i get the login screen now...just have to get the password to work [08:30] <efigyidol> shoshe: never heard of it, though if you want some good fps, you can get (purchase) winex, its a fork of the original wine program, and it's designed to run your fav windows fps games. [08:31] <deprave> LOL this rocks [08:31] <skalpel> what does source tree mean? [08:31] <elad_> thoreauputic, ? [08:31] <DekaPink> Echelon-H, sudo apt-get upgrade wine? [08:31] <efigyidol> kozlyk: this is where you need to: nice tail -f /var/log/smbd.log [08:31] <deprave> i've searched far and wide for a good unix os for desktop operations, and finaly my journey has come to an end i think [08:31] <deprave> => [08:32] <olaf> ubuntu is very very very nice [08:32] <DekaPink> ubuntu really is. [08:32] <m0unds> i love it [08:32] <DekaPink> It's spoiled me against other distributions. xD [08:32] <efigyidol> deprave: yep, so have I, I settled for debian for a few years, because I worked in an ISP. but ubuntu almost "just works" [08:32] <olaf> i think it may have replaced slackware in my heart [08:32] <m0unds> i just installed it today, i replaced fedora 3 on my notebook with ubuntu [08:32] <m0unds> worked perfectly [08:32] <m0unds> it's just been really nice
 moment of truth .. im going terminal to install the driver .. lets c what happens now :D [08:32] <m0unds> everything has worked without extensive configuration [08:32] <DekaPink> Ubuntu doesn't like my video card for 3D stuff... but that's okay. :3 [08:32] <efigyidol> shoshe, good luck [08:32] <m0unds> lol [08:33] <m0unds> that's what i'm working at right now [08:33] <pawitp> Did anyone get i255 working on ubuntu? I saw a topic on ubuntuforum for i250, but I don't know will it work on i255 [08:33] <skalpel> what directory should i install nicotine to? [08:33] <efigyidol> shoshe: you can simply ctrl+alt+backspace once you have it installed to recycle xwindows [08:34] <kozlyk> efigyidol: [2005/07/27 23:31:36, 0] printing/pcap.c:pcap_cache_reload(149) [08:34] <kozlyk> Unable to open printcap file /etc/printcap for read! [08:34] <drew> how do I mount a USB device? [08:35] <Madpilot> just plug it in [08:35] <hyphenated> drew: plug it in and wait for an icon to appear on your desktop [08:35] <skalpel> can someoen tell me what directory i should install nicotine to? [08:35] <drew> oh ok [08:35] <drew> XD [08:35] <cafuego> skalpel: /usr/local [08:35] <rob^> /dev/mouth [08:35] <hyphenated> skalpel: can't you use the version in apt? [08:36] <cafuego> Or just don pirate music, problem solved. [08:36] <deprave> bpm is nice [08:36] <skalpel> who says i am pirating music? [08:36] <goldfish> deprave: indeed [08:36] <efigyidol> lol@rob^ [08:36] <deprave> is it possible to have the playlist visible? [08:36] <deprave> bleh [08:36] <deprave> i should not ask questions before attempting [08:36] <deprave> hehe [08:36] <goldfish> :) [08:36] <efigyidol> kozlyk: are you sharing a printer? [08:36] <cafuego> skalpel: Nobody. Did you assume I was talking to you? ;-) [08:37] <kozlyk> nope [08:37] <kozlyk> no printer on any system as of yet [08:38] <efigyidol> kozlyk: do you have any directories shared on your ubuntu? [08:38] <dtorg21> Having trouble with wireless, can anyone help out please do so........... [08:38] <kozlyk> yup, my /home/kozlyk [08:38] <skalpel> i am having serious memory problems with gnome, could someone give me an idea as to why? [08:38] <skalpel> i have 256 mb ram it should not be a problem [08:39] <cafuego> skalpel: do you have any swap sapce? [08:39] <goldfish> it sucks [08:39] <benplaut> skalpel: go to the task manager, select "Active Only", and see if gnome-panel is acting up [08:39] <drew> I am having issues with Kopete not responding every time I try to sign in...it stops working and freezes, any help? [08:40] <efigyidol> kozlyk: join #flood and paste the part of your smbd.conf that refers to your shared dir [08:40] <kozlyk> the printcap file part? [08:41] <efigyidol> kozlyk: nah the part of your conf file that refers to /home/kozlyk [08:42] <m0unds> woot. [08:42] <m0unds> got my 3d working [08:42] <m0unds> that was quick, too. yay. [08:42] <IceDC571> m0unds: congrats, are you new? [08:43] <m0unds> to ubuntu? yes [08:43] <m0unds> to linux? no [08:43] <spermie_411> how do i check whats running on my system [08:43] <spermie_411> iforgot [08:43] <IceDC571> m0unds: what distros did you migrate from? [08:43] <efigyidol> dtorg21: what seems to be the problem? [08:43] <m0unds> fedora core and slackware [08:43] <m0unds> fedora as a desktop/notebook solution [08:43] <m0unds> and slackware server [08:44] <m0unds> my webserver's still running fedora, but i changed my desktop dualboot and my notebook dualboot to ubuntu today [08:44] <IceDC571> i see [08:44] <m0unds> $ glxgears [08:44] <m0unds> 13903 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2780.600 FPS [08:44] <m0unds> yay. [08:44] <spermie_411> how do i check whats running on my system // my cpu usage ? [08:44] <m0unds> ps -aux [08:45] <m0unds> or top [08:45] <m0unds> for realtime [08:45] <m0unds> :) [08:45] <kozlyk> efigyidol: apparently i don't have a smbd.conf file. I have a smb.conf [08:45] <spermie_411> thank ya boss [08:45] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - spermie, - top in a terminal "top" see also atop and ntop [08:45] <m0unds> you bet [08:46] <efigyidol> kozlyk: ok, paste it. It's been a while since I used samba [08:46] <vladuz976> is there any way i can make a usb keyboard work in console? i have an apple keyboard usb [08:46] <anacron> i add some hard-drives and now my windows won't start, can this be a problem with grup (or what ever the bootloader is), and how do i edit it? [08:47] <Computer__Guru> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/800 <-- what's that mean and how do i fix it? every program i try to open this mp4 with harfs and dies [08:47] <kozlyk> efigyidol: posted [08:47] <DekaPink> Where does Firefox keep its themes? :3 [08:48] <Computer__Guru> ~/.firefox/themes i think [08:48] <DekaPink> Thank you. :3 [08:48] <kozlyk> efigyidol: i do have one more problem. How can i get access to the server with the firewall up? [08:48] <Echelon-H> how can I activate a checkbox without using the mouse? [08:48] <Computer__Guru> guess not, heh [08:49] <Computer__Guru> Echelon-H: hit the space bar when it has index focus ont he form [08:49] <efigyidol> kozylk: i'm not sure about the firewall part, it should be an issue. looks like you need to set xp to authenticate as guest [08:49] <skalpel> how do i open task manager? [08:49] <Computer__Guru> top [08:49] <Gourami> If there is an error on a wiki how does one get it fixed ? [08:49] <skalpel> and, is there a task manager like in windows nt that will allow me to kill processes that are not responding or soaking up memory? [08:50] <kozlyk> efigyidol: how do you mean? sorry for my questions\ [08:50] <skalpel> also, how do i check to see how much swap space i have/am using [08:50] <bimberi> skalpel: Applications -> System Tools -> System Monitor [08:50] <anacron> is 4076 fps from glxgears good? [08:50] <Computer__Guru> cat /proc/meminfo [08:50] <skalpel> bimberi: k. how much memory should gnome-panel be using? [08:50] <Gourami> skalpel: top will alos give you swap info [08:50] <efigyidol> kozlyk: you might need to set usermasks and directory masks for that particular share, I would say that the user that is trying to access the sharr, doesn't have permissions to your home directory. [08:51] <efigyidol> kozlyk: man smb.conf [08:51] <m0unds> anacron- that's great [08:51] <m0unds> anacron- what video card? [08:51] <bimberi> skalpel: mine uses 28.3 MB [08:51] <anacron> m0unds: good, then the drivers work, msi 6600 256mb [08:51] <skalpel> ok, evidently i do not have any swap space [08:51] <skalpel> how do i set that up? [08:51] <Computer__Guru> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/800 <--- why did this file die? all that is greek to me [08:51] <skalpel> bimberi: mine is using about the same, it is my swapspace that is the problem [08:52] <skalpel> evidently [08:52] <m0unds> anyone have a suggestion for a notebook speed tray application? [08:52] <skalpel> Swap: 0k total, 0k used, 0k free, 92272k cached [08:52] <m0unds> for like..centrino/pentium M notebooks? [08:52] <skalpel> is that bad? [08:52] <Computer__Guru> wellt here you go [08:52] <Computer__Guru> you are not using swap [08:52] <skalpel> k, i should have known [08:52] <DekaPink> I want to install the graphite aviary theme for Firefox. :3 [08:52] <skalpel> what do i need to do to set up a swap partition [08:52] <skalpel> ? [08:53] <shoshe> can anyone help me with the installation of NVidia Display Driver ? [08:53] <Computer__Guru> well, you need to create the partition, then "mkswap /dev/whatever" [08:53] <anacron> hey anyone?, do i have to reinstall my windows, or how can i edit grep? grub or what's the bootloaders name [08:53] <Computer__Guru> make sure when you partition it you select swap as the file type (82) [08:53] <skalpel> computer_guru: how do i create the partition? [08:53] <kozlyk> efigyidol: i ran 'man smb.conf' and got a few 'warning: can't find numbered character 160' [08:54] <m0unds> umm, if you installed as a dualboot [08:54] <Computer__Guru> cfdisk or parted.. be careful [08:54] <m0unds> and you opted to install to the MBR (grub) [08:54] <m0unds> then you should be fine [08:54] <skalpel> i did install as a dualbuat [08:54] <skalpel> boot [08:54] <m0unds> it should have detected that you had winxp installed and given you the option to install to the master boot record [08:54] <skalpel> i do not remember if i installed to the mbr or not [08:54] <skalpel> i may not have [08:54] <Computer__Guru> does ANYONE have a solution to my problem? [08:54] <Echelon-H> what's lsmode? [08:54] <m0unds> sorry, i'm talking to anacron [08:55] <skalpel> oh sorry [08:55] <m0unds> :) [08:55] <m0unds> lsmod [08:55] <skalpel> computer_guru: can i use parted from xwindows? [08:55] <m0unds> lsmod shows you all the modules that are either running or installed, i can't remember [08:55] <Computer__Guru> i dont know [08:55] <Echelon-H> k thx [08:55] <skalpel> i think i can [08:55] <shoshe> can anyone help me with the installation of NVidia Display Driver ? [08:56] <skalpel> jon@klaus:~$ parted [08:56] <skalpel> Error: No device found [08:56] <skalpel> what does that mean? [08:56] <anacron> shoshe: ubuntu wiki can [08:56] <m0unds> anyone have a preferred linux mp3 player? [08:56] <skalpel> m0unds: beep media player works well, as does xmms. [08:56] <m0unds> beep. ok [08:56] <puff> I just asked that question, still trying to install someting. [08:57] <m0unds> i hate xmms :) [08:57] <skalpel> me too [08:57] <m0unds> so thanks for the alternative [08:57] <skalpel> actually [08:57] <skalpel> beep is somewhat similar to xmms [08:57] <thoreauputic> skalpel: to start with, you can't partition a mounted system, second, I think parted would need to be pointed at a device (eg ./dev/hda ) [08:57] <puff> Ran into an apt problem. [08:57] <skalpel> but they are the only players i can get to work for my box [08:57] <Echelon-H> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=3256 can anyone help me out with this? I am having trouble with the GSM codec and the OSS thing.
 actually i checked it and the solution to my problem is not there ! :S [08:57] <rob^> how the heck does one sign up for a soulseek account? [08:57] <efigyidol> kozlyk: urk!? [08:57] <skalpel> thoreaputic: i am pretty new to linux, can you walk me through this? [08:57] <skalpel> do i need to log out of xwindows? [08:58] <kozlyk> ? [08:58] <anacron> shoshe: then just ask your question, and someone might help [08:58] <kozlyk> efigyidol: i ran 'man smb.conf' and got a few 'warning: can't find numbered character 160' [08:58] <efigyidol> kozlyk: okay have a look at the samba website, I have exausted my knowlege of samba [08:58] <thoreauputic> skalpel: are you sure you have no swap? The install should have set it up doe you [08:58] <thoreauputic> *for [08:58] <kozlyk> ok, so what about user permissions then [08:58] <puff> People recommended xmms, amarok, juk, mpg123/mpg321, madplay, ogg123. [08:59] <puff> Sounds like amarok and juk are KDE based and thus require extra libs.
 ok when i try to compile the nvidia_kernel headers it says "You appear to be compiling the NVdriver kernel module with [08:59] <shoshe> a compiler different from the one that was used to compile [08:59] <shoshe> the running kernel" .. [08:59] <puff> For videos, dvds, etc, people recmmended mplayer, xine, and totem. [08:59] <thoreauputic> puff: correct [08:59] <m0unds> ok. time to go. night everyone [08:59] <Gourami> what is the command to delete a directory ? [08:59] <kozlyk> i went into users and groups, but there is only checkboxes for other stuff like modems, floppy disks, nothing about hard drive directories [08:59] <shoshe> a compiler different from the one that was used to compile [08:59] <shoshe> the running kernel. [08:59] <skalpel> thoreaputic: it should have, but top says i have no swap space, and i am having terrible memory problems, it must be true [08:59] <thoreauputic> Gourami: rmdir (if it's empty) [09:00] <kozlyk> efigyidol: thanx for your help though. i am farther than i was before. [09:00] <Gourami> thank you [09:00] <puff> okay, so I gave synaptic a shot and I like apt-get better for diagnostics & feedback, though i guess synaptic is better for package browsing. [09:00] <puff> I'd really like to see something generate a slick graphical tree diagram of paackage dependencies. [09:01] <puff> But i ran into two problems, first it complained about unautheticated stuff. Synaptics just said "some things", apt-get listed them. [09:01] <skapple> thoreaputic: how do i unmount my filesystem? [09:01] <puff> Tried installing them anyway, but synaptic reported a problem getting one of the libs... vague about what the problem was though. [09:01] <thoreauputic> skalpel: type ' sudo fdisk -l ' (without quotes) and see if there is an entry with "linux swap" type 82 [09:02] <skapple> ok [09:02] <skapple> thoreaputic: no, i do not have a swap, i have 2 linux partitions instead [09:02] <thoreauputic> skalpel: you can't umount a volume that's in use ( like your Ubuntu syatem) [09:02] <puff> dist-upgrade is replacing a *lot* of stuff. Hm. [09:03] <kozlyk> efigyidol: you know anyone else good at obscure samba issues? [09:03] <skapple> thoreaputic: i had some weird problems with windows xp because i have pc recovery software on my emachine [09:03] <thoreauputic> skapple: if you have 2 linux partitions, what are their mount points? Is one / and the other /home? Or is one unused? [09:04] <skapple> thoreaputic: it does not list their mount points, they are /dev/hda1, and /dev hda3 [09:04] <Gourami> pls can someone tell me if there is anything wring with this syntax: //192.168.0.2/users /media/zatrmser0 smbfs credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,dmask=777,fmask=777 0 0 [09:04] <thoreauputic> skapple: hmm - i can't help with windows - I've sworn off the evil empire ;) [09:04] <skapple> thoreaputic: /dev/hda2 is a fat32 restoration partition [09:04] <nJess> gah [09:04] <Computer__Guru> [h264 @ 0xb5e48998] error, NO frame [09:04] <Computer__Guru> gxine: h264.c:1967: mc_dir_part: Assertion `pic->data[0] ' failed. [09:04] <Computer__Guru> Aborted [09:04] <efigyidol> kozlyk: it's not obscure, it's just that you need to read more. It takes a while to figure out how it works because its so configureable. [09:05] <Computer__Guru> that plays in windows, wtf is wrong with it [09:05] <nJess> my kernel has been compiling for over 4 hours [09:05] <skapple> thoreaputic: well how do i know which linux partition ubuntu is using? they appear to be about the same size [09:05] <thoreauputic> skapple: what is /dev/hda3? Is that the linux part? [09:05] <skapple> thoreaputic: yes, and i think that is the one ubuntu is using [09:05] <skapple> they are about the same size, 25 gigs for one, and 40 for /dev/hda3 [09:06] <DekaPink> Nnnn... I love my computer on Ubuntu. If it had emotions, Ubuntu would make it happy, I'm sure. xD [09:06] <thoreauputic> skapple: I asume /dev/hda1 is windows - thus you would need to use a rescue disc to repartition /dev/hda3 to have swap space [09:06] <skalpel> /dev/hda1 is linux, tye 83 [09:06] <skalpel> type 83 [09:06] <thoreauputic> skapple: the other way is to make a swap file instead [09:06] <thoreauputic> skalpel: ? So where is windows? [09:06] <Computer__Guru> there's an avidemux package in backports *uNF* [09:06] <skalpel> thoreaputic: does that work as well, the swapfile? [09:06] <efigyidol> kozlyk: pasting error messages in to google with quotes around them may help you track down certain problems. you need to find out the cause of the problem by looking at your logs, also the url that I sent you provides some other troubleshooting ideas too. [09:07] <skalpel> thoreaputic: well according to fdisk windows xp is not there. there is only the fat32 restoration partition. which i am not using because i have ubuntu installed. i cannot dual buat even though grub shows an xp boot there [09:07] <thoreauputic> skalpel: yes - you make a file full of zeros and assign it as swap ( I forget the exact method) [09:07] <cafuego> dd if=/dev/zero of=./swap.file bs=1M count=512 [09:08] <cafuego> ... for a 512M file [09:08] <thoreauputic> cafuego: thanks [09:08] <skalpel> thoreaputic: fdisk lists the fat32 restoration partition as the only bootable partition but i have been booting ubuntu fine [09:08] <skalpel> i type that on the command line? [09:08] <DekaPink> Also, I'm impressed with having it back to the way it was before in only a couple hours... It seems that whenever I have to completely reinstall windows, I'm spending days if not weeks having to get a bunch of little things from all over the place to have what I'm used to. :3 [09:08] <cafuego> skalpel: yep [09:08] <cafuego> skalpel: That will make a 512MB file full of zeroes. [09:08] <thoreauputic> skalpel: the swap.file is the name of the new file, yeah [09:09] <cafuego> skalpel: You can bzip it to 4Kb :-) [09:09] <skalpel> 512+0 records in [09:09] <skalpel> 512+0 records out [09:09] <skalpel> 536870912 bytes transferred in 16.166151 seconds (33209569 bytes/sec) [09:09] <skalpel> k [09:09] <skalpel> cafuego: why would i do that? [09:09] <cafuego> skalpel: mail it to an unsuspecting user and watch windows die [09:09] <cafuego> anyway, i digress [09:09] <skalpel> haha no thank you [09:09] <bimberi> lol [09:09] <skalpel> how do i point ubuntu to the swapfile now? [09:09] <thoreauputic> skalpel: now you need to 'sudo swapon swap.file' IIRC [09:09] <skalpel> ok [09:10] <cafuego> skalpel: make sure the file is root:root, mode 0600 [09:10] <skalpel> swapon: swap.file: Invalid argument [09:10] <skalpel> cafuego: i do not know how to do that [09:10] <cafuego> skalpel: sudo chown root:root swap.file; sudo chmod 0600 swap.file [09:10] <anacron> how im going to make grub work again if i now install windows? [09:11] <skalpel> ok, done [09:11] <skalpel> now why am i getting the invalid argument error when i try to swapon? [09:11] <cafuego> skalpel: sudo mkswap ./swap.file [09:11] <bimberi> anacron: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [09:12] <Computer__Guru> gxine: h264.c:1967: mc_dir_part: Assertion `pic->data[0] ' failed. [09:12] <Computer__Guru> Aborted [09:12] <Computer__Guru> <-- WTF does that mean? [09:12] <cafuego> skalpel: Turn it into a swap partition first [09:12] <skalpel> cafuego: Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 536866 kB [09:12] <skalpel> no label, UUID=32d1b635-eb37-4ce3-8b24-508e37a4dc99 [09:12] <cafuego> skalpel: swapon will work afetr that [09:12] <skalpel> alright [09:12] <skalpel> thank you [09:12] <skalpel> is that all i need to do now? [09:12] <cafuego> skalpel: Then run 'free' and note swap space [09:12] <skalpel> reeSwap: 524280 0 524280 [09:12] <skalpel> thank you [09:12] <skalpel> much better =) [09:13] <thoreauputic> skalpel: :) [09:13] <cafuego> skalpel: See also 'swapon -s' [09:13] <skalpel> thoreaputic: and thank you, very much [09:13] <Echelon-H> is there anyway to make the GSM sound codec work under linux? [09:13] <Computer__Guru> dont forget to put it in fstab so it will stick [09:13] <thoreauputic> skalpel: well, cafuego did the heavy lifting for me ;) [09:14] <cafuego> stop accusing me or i'll have you banned! [09:14] <thoreauputic> heheh [09:14] <Echelon-H> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=3256 can anyone help me out with this? [09:14] <skalpel> computer_guru: was that to me, or someone else? [09:15] <cafuego> skalpel: that was to you [09:15] <skalpel> how do i put it in fstab? [09:15] <cafuego> skalpel: You need an fstab entry like "/path/to/swap.file none swap pri=1,defaults 0 0 [09:19] <skalpel> well first off, what is fstab? [09:19] <bimberi> skalpel: /etc/fstab (a file) [09:19] <cafuego> skalpel: /etc/fstab [09:19] <skalpel> so just edit with pico huh? [09:20] <skalpel> i will just paste in what you have given me then [09:20] <cafuego> skalpel: Just add what i typed to the bottom, makijng sure the path to the swap.file is correct [09:20] <thoreauputic> skalpel: sudo nano /etc/fstab [09:20] <adapter> everytime I try to play something in xmms it crashes...any ideas? [09:20] <cafuego> stop using xmms, use beep-media-player [09:20] <DekaPink> Yargh... bittornado... [09:20] <puff> hm, if i just want cvs _client_, not server, is there a package I can install? [09:21] <cafuego> puff: cvs [09:21] <skalpel> cafuego: well given what you have told me what is the path to the swap file? i think i was in my home dir when i made it [09:21] <skalpel> can i just do locate swap.file? [09:21] <cafuego> puff: Just tell it 'no'when it asks if you want to enable the server [09:21] <adapter> is xmms really that bad? [09:21] <skalpel> xmms is awfull. [09:21] <cafuego> skalpel: sudo mv swap.file / [09:21] <olaf> hey, can you install packages on ubuntu temorarily? [09:21] <cafuego> skalpel: Just plonk it there, nice and easy. [09:21] <olaf> say i have the live cd in [09:21] <olaf> and a floppy with a package i want to install [09:21] <skalpel> ok [09:21] <cafuego> skalpel: So then it will be /swap.file [09:21] <adapter> so I should go with beep media player? [09:21] <olaf> can i install it and use it? [09:22] <jtan325> how is xmms awful? [09:22] <skalpel> so the path to the swapfile is now /swap.file [09:22] <DekaPink> How do I set bittornado as my default client instead of gnome-bittorrent or whatever? :3 [09:22] <cafuego> jtan325: nonstandard widgets. bmp too, for that matter. [09:22] <MrGardenHoseMan> xmms is pretty much like winamp [09:22] <skalpel> xmms sucks. ubuntu needs a player like wmp that works [09:22] <cafuego> skalpel: After you have moved it, yes. [09:22] <skalpel> windows has it all over linux in that area [09:22] <skalpel> cafuego: k thank you [09:22] <yoot> how can i make ubuntu stay at command line until i type start x [09:22] <puff> cafuego: thank you. [09:23] <MrGardenHoseMan> eh it's a player [09:23] <thoreauputic> skalpel: amarok is pretty nice [09:23] <cafuego> skalpel: wmp is a very bad example, as it's a total piece of shit. [09:23] <MrGardenHoseMan> and that's all i need [09:23] <jtan325> yoot, there is something in one of gnome's configuration menus that allows you to change the login screen options [09:23] <cafuego> (excusez ma francias) [09:23] <skalpel> i wish rhythm box would work for me. [09:23] <DekaPink> Whoops... Smack my ass and call me judy, I didn't install the gui. [09:23] <skalpel> actually now that i thinkk about it, that may get blamed on the lack of a swapfile [09:23] <skalpel> hehe [09:23] <yoot> jtan325, checked out that [09:24] <cafuego> skalpel: if you run otu of swap there might be an actual problem (but you CAN always add more swapfiles ;-) [09:24] <thoreauputic> yoot: echo "false" | sudo tee /etc/X11/default-display-manager [09:24] <yoot> and if i want to chang it back? [09:24] <yoot> "true" ? [09:25] <thoreauputic> yoot: put /usr/bin/gdm in that file to restore it [09:25] <jtan325> yoot, i don't know where it is graphically, but you can launch what i am talking about by doing "gksudo gdmconfig" from the command line [09:25] <yoot> ok thanks both [09:25] <skalpel> cafuego: so fstab should look like this, correct? [09:25] <thoreauputic> yoot: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager to see [09:25] <skalpel> proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 [09:25] <skalpel> /dev/hda3 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 [09:25] <skalpel> /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 [09:25] <yoot> k [09:25] <skalpel> hmm [09:26] <cafuego> skalpel: please don't paste into the channel. [09:26] <bluefoxicy> woot. [09:26] <bluefoxicy> I tricked it. [09:26] <nJess> my kernel has been compiling for the last 4 hours, will i have issues if i try to use this thing? [09:26] <bluefoxicy> Synaptic says that upgrading thunderbird upgrades typeaheadfind and removes enigmail [09:26] <cafuego> nJess: definitely "maybe" [09:27] <bluefoxicy> and when setting enigmail to reinstall, it cancels the upgrade of thunderbird and typeahead find. [09:27] <skalpel> cafuego: how will i know if it gets added to my fstab correctly? [09:27] <thoreauputic> skalpel: that /etc/fstab has no entry for swap [09:27] <skalpel> yes. hold on [09:27] <bluefoxicy> upgrading thunderbird will then uninstall enigmail and upgrade typeaheadfind, but upgrading typeaheadfind will upgrade thunderbird and leave enigmail installed ;) [09:27] <cafuego> skalpel: AFter you add it, run 'swapoff -a' and see what happens [09:27] <bluefoxicy> (if you upgrade typeaheadfind from the start, it uninstalls enigmail and upgrades thunderbird) [09:28] <cafuego> skalpel: After that,. run 'swapon -a' [09:28] <leroj> what is mozilla/firefox "deer Park"? [09:28] <bluefoxicy> ouch [09:28] <bluefoxicy> enigmail broke [09:28] <bluefoxicy> and got uninstalled :( [09:28] <bluefoxicy> it bit me [09:28] <bluefoxicy> I tricked it and it got mad >:( [09:28] <thoreauputic> leroj: the next version of FF [09:28] <efigyidol-away> grasshopper: swap on with your left swapoff with your right [09:28] <leroj> ooh [09:28] <leroj> cool [09:29] <olaf> deer park is basically the release candidate for firefox 1.1 final [09:29] <olaf> most all of what is seen in deer park will be in 1.1 [09:29] <bluefoxicy> 1.5 final. [09:29] <olaf> oh yeah [09:29] <bluefoxicy> 1.1 won't happen. [09:29] <olaf> 1.5, my bad [09:29] <cafuego> it's also a suburb of melbourne, Australia. A really SHIT suburb. [09:29] <bluefoxicy> and deer park is a feature-incomplete technology preview. [09:30] <cafuego> Nobody would admit to living in deer park [09:30] <bluefoxicy> a release candidate is a feature-complete assumed-stable [09:30] <thoreauputic> cafuego: I heard the next version will be "Bacchus Marsh" ;-) [09:30] <thoreauputic> hahah [09:30] <cafuego> thoreauputic: And THunderbird will be "Frankston" [09:31] <thoreauputic> hahah [09:31] <thoreauputic> :D [09:31] <bluefoxicy> frank stein? [09:31] <bluefoxicy> Win Frank Stein's Money. [09:31] <bluefoxicy> oh god [09:32] <bluefoxicy> furry, + california [09:32] <skalpel> yes. hold oncafuego: what should the entry for filesystem be? [09:32] <skalpel> i will jyust edit it manually [09:32] <cafuego> skalpel: You need an fstab entry like "/swap.file none swap pri=1,defaults 0 0" [09:32] <thoreauputic> swap, funnily enough [09:32] <cafuego> skalpel: *exactly* like that [09:32] <skalpel> ok [09:32] <cafuego> well, maybe lose the quotes [09:33] <skalpel> i will [09:33] <cafuego> I would suggest not attempting swusp with that [09:33] <bluefoxicy> you know what I like about linux over AIX? [09:33] <bluefoxicy> It sets up the backend infrastructure for everything [09:33] <bluefoxicy> and leaves userspace to figure out how the hell it works. [09:34] <skalpel> ok, i added that entry and saved my changes [09:34] <bluefoxicy> like on AIX I think authentication is in the kernel, or something; I don't think they have PAM :) [09:34] <drew> if someone logs in as root, what can happen? nothing? or is it just higher risk of the person doing somethign stupid? [09:34] <skalpel> how do i check to see that it is still there like it should be?> [09:35] <cafuego> skalpel: 'sudo swapoff -a; swapon -s; sudo swapon -a' [09:35] <skalpel> done [09:35] <bsoric> if someone logs in as root, and they do something stupid, the something stupid can mess up your system [09:35] <cafuego> drew: imagine 'rm -rf / *ohshit!*^C^C^C^C^C^C' as root versus as user. [09:35] <bsoric> lol [09:35] <thoreauputic> drew: higher risk of personal error, and higher risk of malicious code breaking stuff [09:35] <bluefoxicy> drew: if you log in as root you can access ad ministrative functions; but as a normal user, ubuntu supplies sudoing function to give 'administrator' users the ability to run programs as root by entering their password at the appropriate time. [09:36] <cafuego> skalpel: Did that print any errors? [09:36] <skalpel> ubuntu is awesome. [09:36] <bluefoxicy> drew: Root access precludes any security. [09:36] <skalpel> cafuego: no, none [09:36] <cafuego> skalpel: There you go, then. [09:36] <bluefoxicy> drew: If someone gets you and you have root, your box is screwed. [09:36] <skalpel> cafuego: all done huh [09:36] <cafuego> You now have a persistent swap file. [09:36] <skalpel> thank you so much [09:36] <drew> bluefoxicy, what do you mean? [09:37] <cafuego> !applaud [09:37] <ubotu> Huzzah! Done! [09:37] <skalpel> computer_guru: thank you too [09:37] <drew> so it won't really do much, you'll just have total power and freedom and just have to be so much more careful with files? [09:37] <bluefoxicy> drew: If I were to gain access to you through illicit means (re: http://www.thinkgeek.com/books/nonfiction/6637/ ) I could sit around and kill some of your programs. [09:37] <cafuego> Now for the difficult task of deciding whether to have cheesy or mushroomy tortellini for dinner [09:37] <cafuego> drew: indeed [09:38] <drew> oh, so only log in as root if you truly know what ur doing? [09:38] <bsoric> where would I post a script i made to so that people who could fix the problem could see it, but script kiddies and similar couldn't see it? [09:38] <bluefoxicy> drew: I could break your files and shit too. Maybe access a terminal, sniff your X session. A few countermeasures to handle hacking your X session up could handle that though (SE-X) [09:38] <bsoric> never logion as root [09:38] <thoreauputic> drew: about 30 years of *nix says it is a Bad Idea [09:38] <cafuego> drew: Seeing as you'll be sleepy at least twice a day, go with user+sudo [09:38] <nJess> hey, will compiling a kernel with ALL the modules cause severe slowdown? [09:38] <Razor-X> i'm so tired that the concept of double-sided printing is confounding my brain... :( [09:38] <nJess> i compiled the entire source as-is, and im not sure if that will cause issues [09:38] <cafuego> nJess: Only in the compilation, not in running. [09:38] <drew> I don't leave my system on though [09:38] <znh> nJess: no not really, it would take some more ram [09:38] <nJess> so in running, i'll be fine? [09:39] <bluefoxicy> drew: Now if you were root, I could jack in and stick a kernel module in your kernel, autoload it in your init scripts, and have it hide the init files that autoload it so you don't see it ever. [09:39] <cafuego> drew: You do make typoes though [09:39] <Razor-X> but my finals notes done in LaTeX came out fine... [09:39] <cafuego> nJess: yep [09:39] <znh> skapple: hey it's my girl [09:39] <Razor-X> what is mpd? [09:39] <bluefoxicy> drew: Then I could start sniffing memory and networks for passwords, encryption keys, and credit card IDs. Boom. [09:39] <Razor-X> I mean, how's it work? [09:39] <thoreauputic> drew: it's your system: just don't say you weren't warned [09:39] <bluefoxicy> drew: So? I can break into your PC through GAIM or X-chat or Firefox given a bit of advanced knowledge, if I can catch it before pitti finds out. [09:39] <bsoric> drew, login as a regular user, not root. if someone hacks you, theres a better chance of your system living [09:39] <cafuego> Yes, expect to be mocked when you come back asking how to restore the system ;-) [09:40] <bsoric> oh yeah [09:40] <cafuego> And don't underestimate our skill in mocking [09:40] <drew> th worst that would happen is that I'd need to reinstall it though [09:40] <bluefoxicy> cafuego: I don't have that kind of problem. I have 10 gig for / and the rest /home. If I have a system problem (hey I run breezy!) I just reinstall. [09:40] <znh> bluefoxicy: breaking in someone's pc is not that easy ;) [09:40] <Razor-X> bluefoxicy: it's hard, very hard [09:40] <bsoric> unless you hadanything sensitive on there [09:40] <bluefoxicy> drew: You wouldn't know if I did it. [09:40] <Razor-X> in IRC you probably could but, ah, hard still [09:40] <znh> lol [09:41] <bluefoxicy> drew: With a kernel module, I could make ls and stat() not show files. [09:41] <vinux> hey guys how do I intall a GDM theme? [09:41] <thoreauputic> drew: why are you asking? You've clearly already decided to fly in the face of all received wisdom ? [09:41] <znh> even when you would find a bug.. it won't give you that many space to move [09:41] <rowanjl> Hey, I'm using a Warty livecd atm, but I want to know if there is a way that I can write it to disk, without using the install cd... Any ideas? [09:41] <bluefoxicy> drew: This could be used to hide the files placed in your init scripts so that at boot time the hacked up kerenl module is silently modprobe()d for. The module would hide itself from lsmod too. Its file would be hidden too. [09:41] <Razor-X> all I can bring up now is ``nmap -sS -P 0'' [09:41] <nJess> can the compiler get stuck in an infinite loop? [09:41] <Razor-X> bluefoxicy: or make the default renlevel 0 [09:41] <hyphenated> drew: nope, the worst is a keylogger is installed somewhere, and they get all of your accounts, your credit card numbers, your home address, your cellphone numbers, and plant some damning evidence of you chatting to 14 year olds for naughty things then blackmail you [09:41] <nJess> i could swear i have seen this before [09:41] <Razor-X> s/renlevel/runlevel/ [09:41] <bsoric> lol [09:41] <nJess> and its been running for over 5 hours [09:42] <drew> I am asking because I figured out how to enable the root account and I find it a pain in the butt to change permissions all the time on folders that root creates [09:42] <Razor-X> are you people trying to give drew a heart attack, or what? [09:42] <bluefoxicy> drew: so one day your browser or gaim crashes, you're root, no big deal. What you don't know is that someone is now reading everything you do on the net, everything in memory, and can pick up your credit card IDs, passwords to bank accounts, etc. [09:42] <Razor-X> drew: sudo -s gives you root access [09:42] <znh> nJess: hm what does it repeat [09:42] <Razor-X> without creating a real account [09:42] <nJess> well [09:42] <skalpel> is it normal to have alot of 'k' processes running under ubuntu? [09:42] <bsoric> is it more trouble to change permissions, or to reinstall? [09:42] <bluefoxicy> drew: and at every reboot, the hijacked environment is set back up silently. You never get a chance to find out about it. [09:42] <nJess> i could swear i have seen it compile in the ide drivers before [09:42] <thoreauputic> skalpel: yes [09:42] <skalpel> k [09:42] <skalpel> =) [09:42] <bsoric> skalpel: if you have kde [09:43] <bluefoxicy> bsoric: if your /home isn't on / it's probably easier to reinstall, unless you have excessive samba/printer/apache/squid configuration in /etc :) [09:43] <thoreauputic> skalpel: most of them refer to the kernel [09:43] <Razor-X> I was so sleepy... I forgot the emacs macro command :( [09:43] <skalpel> i do not, i have gnome [09:43] <znh> morning [09:43] <skalpel> thoreaputic: alright [09:43] <thoreauputic> bsoric: that too ;) [09:43] <Razor-X> last-macro, rather [09:43] <Razor-X> I think I need sleep [09:43] <drew> but if I login root one day, and login normal user the next, does it matter> [09:43] <Razor-X> night all [09:43] <drew> ? [09:43] <znh> Razor-X: night [09:43] <bluefoxicy> drew: Use root to do admin tasks only. Ubuntu provides sudo for that so you use root the least amount you have to. [09:43] <znh> drew: you mean your loggin in with a normal user like via a terminal? [09:43] <thoreauputic> drew: read our lips *logging in as root is a Bad Idea* [09:44] <bluefoxicy> drew: if you log in one ady and get rooted, then become a normal user, you're permenantly taken. [09:44] <drew> hm [09:44] <bluefoxicy> drew: gnome, system->administration, there's all you need root for. It asks for your password, just enter it and bam. Program gets root. [09:44] <znh> you guys make it a little oversized [09:44] <thoreauputic> drew: when tempted to do foolish things, Just Say No ;-) [09:45] <drew> and I suppose Firestarter won;t help then? [09:45] <cafuego> drew: it pays to make sure you've got good habits, security-wise. [09:45] <Ocid> drew: if you REALLY want to run as root, get something idiotic like linspire ;) [09:45] <bsoric> drew: you cant rely totally on a firewall [09:45] <cafuego> drew: Sure you can log in as root one day and as user the next, but you WILL eventually mess something up by accident. [09:46] <bluefoxicy> znh: not at all. Casually running as root leads to continuous vulnerability. It's the same as casually turning your antivirus program off because it stops you from running some programs it occasionally false-positives on. [09:46] <drew> I know that, but does it help at all? [09:46] <cafuego> drew: if you don't care about that, use root by all means. [09:46] <thoreauputic> drew: a default Ubuntu install has no services accessible, so firestarter does basically nothing unless you install/run services [09:46] <Razor-X> drew: the detractors of being root supersede using a root account tenfold [09:46] <bluefoxicy> drew: firestarter/iptables is useless typically on ubuntu :) [09:46] <znh> bluefoxicy: antivirus.. this aint a windows channel :/ [09:46] <cafuego> drew: yes, imagine an exploit for an irc client like x-chat. if it runs as root, it can modify the system. [09:46] <Razor-X> root is only used for tasks explicitly not allowed to the user, and only in measured doses [09:46] <bsoric> drew: when you use root, pull out the network cable from the back of your computer [09:46] <bluefoxicy> znh: no but it gives a prime illustration. I know quite a few windows users get a firewall, then turn the fucker off and say "yes I have norton internet security so I'm safe" [09:46] <Razor-X> the reason Windows is so broken is because every user is root, with some sudo-chopping [09:47] <bsoric> that should do it [09:47] <bluefoxicy> znh: they turn it off because it gets in their way. [09:47] <Razor-X> in Linux, nothing damaging can be done without running as root [09:47] <bsoric> thats not true [09:47] <Razor-X> which means malicious code is _much_ harder to run [09:47] <bluefoxicy> Razor-X: would you like to rm -rf / right now? :) [09:47] <bluefoxicy> Razor-X: back up your porn first [09:47] <Razor-X> if you don't want my word for it, take Leo Laporte's ;) [09:47] <cafuego> Razor-X: fill up /var and try that again ;-) [09:47] <Razor-X> bluefoxicy: I know what that is ;) [09:47] <pax> wtf the guy want to run as root, let him be. drew, all these people giving you advice are trying to fool you, go ahead use root all the time, login X as root too, be a happy man. [09:47] <olaf> i don't know what the hell you would have to do to run something malicious on your linux computer, especially if you're just browsing the web [09:47] <bluefoxicy> Razor-X: it's damaging, it's not THAT damaging. [09:48] <Razor-X> and I thought rm -rf / can't be run not as root? [09:48] <bsoric> ignore pax [09:48] <cafuego> Razor-X: Try it and see... [09:48] <bluefoxicy> Razor-X: it can be, it'll just say it can't remove root-read-write directories. [09:48] <Razor-X> cafuego: no, i'll take your word for it ;) [09:48] <thoreauputic> pax: great advice </sarcasm> [09:48] <drew> pax, I'm not THAT stupid :P [09:48] <ToRTuReD_X> do i have to make any partitions if i'm not dual booting? [09:48] <bluefoxicy> Razor-X: it'll go on to remove everything else it can. [09:48] <bsoric> ubuntu should do it for you
 pax, I'm not THAT stupid :P <---are you sure? [09:48] <Razor-X> bluefoxicy: I kinda figure that [09:48] <cafuego> Razor-X: I expect it will print a whole lot of 'permission denied' until it gets to yuor homedir ;-) [09:48] <Razor-X> it'll delete personal files, but it's not as crippling as running it as root [09:49] <bsoric> do it in ubuntu live [09:49] <bsoric> then reboot [09:49] <drew> nJess, positive, I never said I'd do it while having network connectivity ;) [09:49] <Razor-X> that's my point [09:49] <EdLin> ToRTuReD_X, yes, you need at least the root filesystem and a swap partition [09:49] <znh> drew it's just this: there are allot programs made and build for ubuntu, if there's even one or more program that has bad meanings, you give it all permissions that's why we suggest you to login as a non-root user [09:49] <cafuego> ToRTuReD_X: Ubuntu will do that automatically anyway. [09:49] <Razor-X> not just us, but almost every freaking Linux user ;) [09:49] <bluefoxicy> hmm [09:50] <bluefoxicy> a question for tomorrow. sleep. [09:50] <ToRTuReD_X> edlin - that'd explain why it wouldn't install the first time [09:50] <znh> good night bluefoxicy [09:50] <ToRTuReD_X> ;/ [09:50] <nadroj> what would i type into the terminal to move feedparser to its distribution directory? [09:50] <Razor-X> ok, the next tllts is done downloading, and i'm off tobed [09:50] <cafuego> Okay, and now I have a spare B&W G3/350 :-) [09:51] <EdLin> ToRTuReD_X, just let the installer create the parititons [09:51] <rowanjl> How do I tell if the Shipit site has registered my request? [09:51] <znh> hans@amd1400:~/kopete/kopete-0.10.1$ ./configure [09:51] <znh> Segmentation fault [09:51] <znh> I love detailed error messages [09:51] <drew> one thing I don;t see...distros like gentoo are by default logged in as root...nothing ever happens to them as far as I know, what makes ubuntu so much more vulnerable? [09:51] <bsoric> lol [09:51] <bsoric> nothing [09:51] <nJess> screw this [09:52] <znh> define this [09:52] <nJess> znh, the kernel compile was looping [09:52] <thoreauputic> drew: erm, gentoo doesn't use root as default [09:52] <cafuego> znh: if ./configure segfaults, you have a bad problem. [09:52] <nJess> so i just killed it, i'll use a precompiled kernel [09:52] <bsoric> drew: from what ive heard, gentoo is down most of the time, so its got less chance of being hacked [09:52] <znh> cafuego: that's a smart notice :) (I know) [09:52] <cafuego> znh: As in: bad ram, bad cpu, bad system libs/shell/kernel [09:52] <rowanjl> bsoric, funny :) [09:52] <bsoric> thanks [09:52] <znh> cafuego: well I just installed kde-devel [09:53] <nJess> i had redhat segfault in kde on a fresh install once [09:53] <cafuego> znh: ./configure is just a /bin/sh script [09:53] <rowanjl> bsoric, they spend so much time downloading source that they never have time for anything else [09:53] <nJess> never touched an rpm distro again [09:53] <bsoric> hehe [09:53] <cafuego> znh: try 'strace ./configure' [09:53] <sJaM> rowanjl, you can do things at night [09:53] <sJaM> or when you are at work / school [09:53] <thoreauputic> rowanjl: the rest of the time the machine is compiling ;) [09:53] <drew> the default account is root for gentoo, but you are prompted to make a new one during setup, but I know people that are using root in other distros all the time, so I can't help but wonder why nothing happens to them, yet things are so dangerous in ubuntu [09:53] <rowanjl> sJaM, true [09:53] <znh> cafuego: and then [09:53] <rowanjl> thoreauputic, hah [09:54] <rowanjl> Its fine to compile specific parts of the system, but the whole thing? [09:54] <bsoric> drew: the default account is root cos without root you cant make a new account [09:54] <sJaM> and in gentoo you do not use root all the time drew [09:54] <sJaM> gentoo users are mostly smarter than the average ubuntu usrs [09:54] <thoreauputic> drew: incoorect conclusions from a limited sample [09:54] <znh> hmm I screwed my ubuntu.. wohoo.. [09:55] <bsoric> good job [09:55] <nJess> you have to reboot after a kernel upgrade, right? [09:55] <znh> thanks! [09:55] <sJaM> yes [09:55] <rowanjl> thoreauputic, or how about incorrect conclustions from a stupid person? [09:55] <bsoric> no problem [09:55] <sJaM> nJess yes [09:55] <bsoric> ooohhh [09:55] <znh> anyways, I just installed kde-devel how to see what dependicies it _had_ [09:55] <thoreauputic> drew: slackware also boots into root on install - you are expected to have enough clues to set up user accounts [09:55] <drew> when I used gentoo, I was always root and nothing ever happened [09:55] <drew> unless it was my fault [09:55] <bsoric> lucky you [09:55] <sJaM> then you didn't read the handbook good enough [09:55] <thoreauputic> drew: that proves absolutely nothing [09:56] <sJaM> it clearly states ... [09:56] <nJess> well [09:56] <nJess> there goes my 20 day uptime [09:56] <bsoric> "dont login to root" [09:56] <znh> drew: just like like bsoric you we're lucky, but don't forget mostly everything in gentoo is from source build [09:56] <mattyJ> does anyone know hwo to get galago working? [09:56] <znh> Can someone tell me how to see what kde-devel his dependicies are? [09:56] <linlin> is there an apt package for mysql for ubuntu? [09:56] <drew> znh, that;s true... [09:56] <sJaM> yes [09:56] <drew> linlin, yes [09:56] <bsoric> linlin: yes [09:57] <sJaM> sudo apt-get install mysql-server [09:57] <sJaM> for the server [09:57] <sJaM> sudo apt-get install mysql-client [09:57] <sJaM> for the client [09:57] <sJaM> but that one you already have [09:57] <nJess> how does one install unrealIRCd in ubuntu? [09:57] <bsoric> or use synaptic, type mysql [09:57] <znh> can someone put in the topic that kde-devel is corrupt [09:57] <znh> bob2: are you there? [09:57] <drew> well them, if I ever do use root, what precautions should I take beforehand? [09:58] <bsoric> unplug connections to the internet [09:58] <drew> lmao [09:58] <sJaM> why would you drew [09:58] <bsoric> just use sudo [09:58] <sJaM> it is completely useless [09:58] <drew> sJam, if my patience grew thin XD [09:58] <sJaM> even single user mode is better [09:58] <nJess> holy shit...i just saw "savedefault" and thought i saw "segfault" and my heart nearly lept out of my chest [09:58] <pax> znh: use sudo apt-get install kde-devel --dry-run to find out [09:58] <thoreauputic> drew: put your box in a bombproof underground concrete bunker without electricity *grin* [09:58] <IIIEars> lol@njess [09:59] <znh> pax: nice, thanks - hope I can delete all those packages to solve this [09:59] <linlin> thankyou sJaM [09:59] <sJaM> np [09:59] <drew> lmao [09:59] <drew> oh fun [09:59] <drew> XD [09:59] <bsoric> where would I post a script i made to so that people who could fix the problem could see it, but script kiddies and similar couldn't see it? [10:00] <rowanjl> How can I tell if shipit has registered my request for CDs after my first request for warty ones? I know it has a history of the previous ones, but thats no use [10:00] <znh> pax: not helpfull :( [10:00] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - Any good free AV scanners that can be used with samba to scan a windows share? [10:00] <bsoric> i think aegis can [10:00] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: clamav I guess [10:00] <bsoric> ok then [10:00] <linlin> ok sJaM now what about the apache modules nd such for sql [10:00] <pax> znh: gives you a list of unmet dependencies, doesn it? [10:00] <IIIEars> thoreuaputic - clam will scan only a bit of archived files [10:00] <rowanjl> "We are currently mailing CDs first to people who did not receive Warty Warthog CDs" So anyone know if thats done or how much of that is done? [10:01] <znh> pax: no, the following new packages will be installed: kde-devel [10:01] <f4phantom2500> hi [10:01] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: as i said, my windows knowledge is minuscule [10:01] <bsoric> rowanjl: also, how much of the world didnt recieve those discs? [10:01] <IIIEars> thoreuaputic - Okay - Thank You. - i'll keep looking and let ya know [10:01] <pax> znh: something is wrong with your box papa [10:01] <znh> pax: you bet [10:01] <f4phantom2500> i feel like a super lame ass asking this, but i cant figure out how to install stuff in ubuntu outside of the terminal, so how do i install stuff thats not in the databases or lists or w/e it checks? [10:02] <znh> kde-devel is untrustable [10:02] <thoreauputic> !synaptic [10:02] <ubotu> synaptic is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto [10:02] <rowanjl> bsoric, yeah. Right now I'm stuck with 25 Ubuntu Warty CDs that don't work at all. I'd really like to get some new ones [10:02] <IIIEars> f-prot and bitdefender are free but Ubuntu is just too powerful <grin> always referred to as a server. [10:02] <thoreauputic> !repositories [10:02] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos [10:02] <bsoric> rowanjl: coasters??? [10:02] <rowanjl> Yep [10:02] <bsoric> cool [10:02] <rowanjl> I sent most of them away. But they all came back [10:03] <f4phantom2500> so is every program that you can install in a repository? [10:03] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: if you read ubotu's URLs you will have 16 000 + to choose from [10:03] <rowanjl> The installer on them is barfed [10:03] <znh> f4phantom2500: yes, but compiling from the source is HIGHLY recommended [10:03] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: there are others - source code or 3rd party [10:03] <rowanjl> Has anyone seen the screenshots of Vista? How freaking ugly! [10:03] <bsoric> looks like xp, with higher graphics requirements [10:04] <bsoric> like pointless translucency [10:04] <EdLin> znh, wtf? You should always "aptitude install" from the repositories whenever possible, compiling from source leads to dependency problems. [10:04] <f4phantom2500> compiling them from the source? [10:04] <f4phantom2500> how the hell do i do that? [10:04] <thoreauputic> znh: why is compiling "highly recommended" unless rquired? [10:04] <Warsie> i just bought an nvidia card, apt-get installed nvidia-glx file... [10:04] <EdLin> f4phantom2500, don't pay attention to that piece of advice. [10:04] <IIIEars> 16,272 packages to choose from. thats a lot. (begins counting on fingers and toes. - then gives up.) [10:04] <f4phantom2500> k [10:04] <znh> because there are corrupt packages I just noticed - such as kde-devel [10:04] <Warsie> howdo i change my xorg.conf to use my video card? [10:04] <sJaM> linlin libapache2_auth_mysql [10:04] <f4phantom2500> so basically i add repositories or w/e? [10:04] <f4phantom2500> thats the easiest way to do it? [10:04] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: just enable repositories and don't worry about compiling until you are more advanced [10:04] <f4phantom2500> i see [10:05] <drew> an AMD Sempron processor requires the AMD64 install CD...am I wrong? [10:05] <Warsie> ive tried "sudo edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and i get an error running edit [10:05] <Warsie> and im not too handy with vim [10:05] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: almost everything is available from the repos [10:05] <EdLin> f4phantom2500, even when you *are* more advanced you don't want to compile unless you have to. [10:05] <sJaM> sorry linlin [10:05] <Madpilot> drew: I thought all the Semprons were regular old 32bit processors? [10:05] <sJaM> sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-auth-mysql [10:05] <f4phantom2500> i see [10:05] <f4phantom2500> big pain in the ass i bet [10:05] <Ocid> Warsie: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf [10:05] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: if you aren't sure, ask us or use synaptic search function [10:05] <drew> so x86 then? [10:05] <IIIEars> when you begin to enjoy compiling things. add sourceforge 100,00 projects and freshmeat also (don't know how many proj.) [10:06] <Madpilot> drew: that works for everything... [10:06] <f4phantom2500> so what if its not in the repositories? are they like all listed here? [10:06] <drew> lol [10:06] <ankur> Hi, I enabled quotas on my /home partition, but I cannot create files in my home directory now [10:06] <EdLin> f4phantom2500, it's not a pain to compile from source, but it defeats the whole idea of having a big package repository in the first place. [10:06] <drew> go figure XD [10:06] <sJaM> compiling isn't very difficult for small things [10:06] <Warsie> how do i get x to find my new video card? [10:06] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: compiling isn't that hard - but it requires a bit more knowledge [10:06] <sJaM> just read the README and INSTALL properly [10:06] <Madpilot> are AMD Semprons considered K7 chips like my XP-M CPU? [10:06] <rowanjl> Anyone here form AU? [10:06] <bsoric> rowanjl: yes [10:06] <sJaM> it is sometimes better than using weird repos [10:06] <f4phantom2500> yeah a sempron is just an xp with less cache [10:07] <rowanjl> Hah, well hello [10:07] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: as i said, almost everything is in the repositories [10:07] <f4phantom2500> unless its a socket 754 [10:07] <bsoric> hi [10:07] <rowanjl> What state? [10:07] <bsoric> SA [10:07] <bsoric> the toxic waste dump state [10:07] <f4phantom2500> then its a stripped down a64...no 64-bit processing, less cache, etc [10:07] <f4phantom2500> cool [10:07] <f4phantom2500> thoreauputic, thanks [10:07] <f4phantom2500> EdLin, u 2 [10:07] <f4phantom2500> znh 2 [10:07] <EdLin> f4phantom2500, np [10:08] <rowanjl> bsoric, same here [10:08] <bsoric> lol ok [10:08] <rowanjl> South of the city? [10:08] <bsoric> yup [10:08] <rowanjl> Cool, I'm from Mount Barker :P [10:08] <TooSad> hi [10:08] <f4phantom2500> wtf is universe and multiverse? [10:08] <bsoric> ok [10:08] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: you basically need universe and multiverse enabled - and perhaps temporarily hoary extras from backports for codecs etc ( I comment that out after using it ) [10:09] <Madpilot> !repos [10:09] <ubotu> rumour has it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [10:09] <znh> Die! - kdelibs [10:09] <Madpilot> f4phantom2500: see ubotu's URL for info [10:09] <IIIEars> Warsie - kill the xserver then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg "ubotu display" will give you a link [10:09] <TooSad> /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gnomebt/manager.py:153: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.TRUE is deprecated, use True instead [10:09] <TooSad> self.iconlist.set_sorted (gtk.TRUE).............i must replace in self.iconlist.set_sorted (TRUE)? [10:09] <rowanjl> bsoric, what town are you in? [10:09] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: universe is community supported software, multiverse is "non-free" in the Freedom sense of the word [10:09] <IIIEars> ubotu tell Warsie about display [10:10] <bsoric> if by town you mean suburb, Clarence Gardens [10:10] <bsoric> (not far south of the city) [10:10] <znh> !operators [10:10] <ubotu> znh: Are you smoking crack? [10:10] <rowanjl> Cool, I was working there today [10:10] <znh> !admins [10:10] <ubotu> znh: I give up, what is it? [10:11] <znh> omg.. [10:11] <f4phantom2500> so i want to get as many repositories as i can? [10:11] <IIIEars> znh - what do you need?? [10:11] <Madpilot> znh: if you want to summon the ops, use !ops [10:11] <znh> !ops [10:11] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia! [10:11] <nJess> hey znh [10:11] <Madpilot> but don't do it unless you *need* too... oooops.... [10:11] <znh> nJess: hey :) [10:11] <EdLin> f4phantom2500, no, just Ubuntu and Ubunto-related ones, mixing in non-Ubuntu repositories can be problematic. [10:11] <f4phantom2500> hmm [10:11] <ankur> Hi, I enabled quotas on my /home partition, but I cannot create files in my home directory now, could someone help [10:11] <EdLin> Ubuntu-related* [10:11] <nJess> [teh] is my linux box, and i run a sys info script to show you the specs so you can see if that is why compile takes so long? [10:12] <f4phantom2500> well right now im trying to get a program that'll run a certain kind of mp4 file [10:12] <enyc_> f4ph: FAAD? [10:12] <nJess> s/and/can [10:12] <f4phantom2500> i torrented a lot of episodes of voyager in xp and without it i can only watch them in xp...and it blows ass cuz my windows install is falling apart or something [10:12] <nadroj> what would i type into the terminal to move feedparser to its distribution directory? [10:12] <f4phantom2500> which is why i installed linux in the first place [10:13] <f4phantom2500> FAAD? [10:13] <enyc_> f4ph: ?what format air these episodes in? [10:13] <znh> bob2,fabbione,jdub,mdz,Amaranth,ajmitch,crimsun,ogra,Burgundavia: Can I have your attention? [10:13] <EdLin> f4phantom2500, try mplayer with w32codecs. You'll need universe, multiverse, and hoary-extras [10:13] <f4phantom2500> i dont know the exact type but its some kind of derivative of mp4 [10:13] <fabbione> znh: ? [10:13] <[teh] > hey znh, this is njess on the ubuntu box, can i run a sysinfo script to show you the specs to see if there is some reason i can't compile properly? [10:13] <znh> fabbione: ha glad [10:13] <enyc_> hrrm MpEG4-derivatives.. like XVid, divx, stuff.. usually work well under 'mplayer' / 'xine' [10:14] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: a good first step in every case is to run for example " apt-cache search mp4" then run "apt-cache show" for theones that look interesting [10:14] <f4phantom2500> how do i get universe multiverse and hoary-extras [10:14] <enyc_> f4ph: either use the 'synaptic' package manager to add the package-sources... [10:14] <znh> fabbione: kde-devel should be deleted from the reps, It ruins up ubuntu [10:14] <enyc_> f4ph: or 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list' and change it yourself [10:14] <Burgundavia> znh, say again? [10:15] <IIIEars> ubotu tell f4phantom !repositories [10:15] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: ubotu has already posted the URL about 3 times, but here it is again [10:15] <skalpel> hi, i tried to install pysoulseek today and i think it is interfering with nicotine now, is this possible? [10:15] <fabbione> znh: it's not with me you need to talk. send a mail to ubuntu-devel mailing list with all the proper explanations [10:15] <thoreauputic> !repos [10:15] <ubotu> from memory, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [10:15] <skalpel> nicotine is hanging when it tries to log in now [10:15] <skalpel> ca someone help me [10:15] <IIIEars> Hi skalpel :) [10:15] <f4phantom2500> nah i got it open in firefox already [10:16] <skalpel> iiiears: hi ears [10:16] <IIIEars> f4phantom - enable them in synaptic - much easier than d/l ing each one at a time. [10:17] <thoreauputic> !backports [10:17] <tmt_> has anyone came from vietnam here ? [10:17] <ubotu> rumour has it, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [10:17] <IIIEars> tell f4phantom2500 !repositories !codecs [10:17] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: be careful with backports though [10:18] <IIIEars> ubotu tell f4phantom2500 !repositories !codecs [10:18] <f4phantom2500> !repositories !codecs? [10:18] <ubotu> f4phantom2500: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [10:18] <f4phantom2500> .........huh? [10:18] <thoreauputic> !codecs [10:18] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [10:19] <skalpel> does anyone have any idea why nicotine would be hanging when it tries to login? i think it has something to do with pysoulseek but i am not sure [10:19] <thespiritoftal> hi [10:19] <[teh] > can i use a hoary kernel in warty? [10:19] <znh> why would you :) [10:20] <[teh] > because it is easier than upgrading to hoary [10:20] <[teh] > as i don't have a hoary cd [10:20] <thespiritoftal> when I check to completely remove firestarter it gives error : E: firestarter: subprocess post-removal script returned error status 1. Any ideas how to fix it? [10:20] <thoreauputic> [teh] : if you have broadband you can dist-upgrade to hoary from warty [10:21] <[teh] > not enough bandwidth [10:21] <thoreauputic> [teh] : OK [10:21] <Madpilot> [teh] : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpgradingFromWartyWarthogToHoaryHedgehog [10:21] <[teh] > i don't want to upgrade [10:21] <cafuego> Any of you people in holland, have a scanner and a packet of chocomel in the fridge you could scan for me? [10:21] <Madpilot> ah, missed the bandwidth comment, sorry [10:21] <[teh] > i just need a kernel image with ndiswrapper in it [10:21] <IIIEars> lol@cafuego [10:21] <thoreauputic> [teh] : why do you need a new kernel? Unsupported hardware? [10:22] <nadroj> i'm fairly new to linux. what would i type into the terminal to move feedparser to its distribution directory? [10:22] <drew> is it particularly bad if you add your user account to the admin user group? [10:22] <[teh] > thoreauputic, i need ndiswrapper for my laptop's wireless [10:22] <drew> er not admin [10:22] <drew> root XD [10:23] <EdLin> drew, if you don't know you shouldn't [10:23] <thoreauputic> nadroj: the command is " mv" - you probably need " sudo mv /path/to/file /path/to/new/directory " [10:24] <nadroj> ok thanks! [10:24] <f4phantom2500> hey which version of mplayer should i install? [10:24] <sJaM> what computer you have [10:24] <EdLin> f4phantom2500, that depends on your CPU [10:24] <Trace> when i tried to set an var through: pathcc="/mnt/C/Documents\ and\ Settings/All\ Users/", but when i try : cd $pathcc, i think it is wrong, but i don't know where, can anybody help me? [10:24] <f4phantom2500> athlon xp 2500 [10:24] <sJaM> mostly the i585 version is the on you must have [10:24] <sJaM> i586 [10:24] <sJaM> hehe [10:24] <f4phantom2500> lol [10:25] <thoreauputic> drew: you really are determined to undermine the efforts of 35 years of *nix design, aren't you ? *grin* [10:25] <IIIEars> lol [10:25] <f4phantom2500> thats the program i need; its one of the ones listed in the readme that was in the voyager dl [10:25] <f4phantom2500> lol [10:25] <ilba7r> hi i just compiled wine from source. Is there a way to make a deb file out of it? I do not like installing through make install for i do not know how to uninstall after word [10:25] <drew> lmao, no, I just find experimentation fun :P [10:26] <f4phantom2500> thats what he said [10:26] <f4phantom2500> hehehe [10:26] <EdLin> drew, if you really want to avoid using sudo's passwords you can configure sudo to not require a password. Don't say I didn't warn you if things go wrong though. [10:26] <Madpilot> ...fun until it cooks your OS... [10:26] <[teh] > so anyway [10:26] <[teh] > if i use a hoary kernel with warty [10:26] <f4phantom2500> then its hilarious [10:26] <[teh] > it will still boot [10:26] <[teh] > right? [10:27] <sJaM> yes ilba7r [10:27] <drew> it's not avoiding the passwords, I just find it a real pain in the ass to have to change permissiosn all the time manually [10:27] <sJaM> checkinstall [10:27] <drew> among other things [10:27] <IIIEars> diable the root password and all you need now is the j2re runtime and mozilla activex - to be nearly as vulnerable as the redmond OS. - j/k [10:27] <sJaM> install it: sudo apt-get install checkinstall [10:27] <drew> it would just be easier as root is all XD [10:27] <sJaM> and instead of make install [10:27] <sJaM> you do checkinstall [10:27] <EdLin> drew, change permissions? [10:27] <ilba7r> thanx sJam [10:27] <thoreauputic> [teh] : if it doesn't you will still have the old one to fall back on [10:27] <f4phantom2500> ok i ran one of the episodes of voyager; it opened, i can see the video, but i got an error and cant hear sound [10:27] <f4phantom2500> the error says: [10:27] <sJaM> I mean sudo make install && sudo checkinstall of course [10:27] <drew> EdLin, for example, I install a program, but I need to access that program's folders...it doesn't let me unless I change the permissions [10:28] <EdLin> IIIEars, the j2re runtime is *not* a source of security risk ordinarily [10:28] <[teh] > k [10:28] <ilba7r> ok will do [10:28] <[teh] > but if it does, that means i'll have ndiswrapper, right? [10:28] <f4phantom2500> New_Face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong. Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf). [10:28] <sJaM> no [10:28] <EdLin> drew, sudo -s and use it all you want until you don't need to. [10:28] <ilba7r> and it will make a deb file? [10:28] <sJaM> sudo checkinstall INSTEAD OF sudo make install [10:28] <sJaM> (I forgot the sudo the first time) [10:28] <drew> so sudo -s and then the directory? [10:28] <ilba7r> i unsderstand sJam [10:28] <EdLin> drew, no, just sudo -s [10:29] <drew> oh I see [10:29] <sJaM> ok [10:29] <thoreauputic> drew: erm - why on earth do you need to access those directories except for configuration in /etc and so on? You only need even that very occasionally and only once [10:29] <drew> much simpler than the things I've been trying >_< [10:29] <EdLin> drew, then control-d back to your user account when you don't need to [10:29] <znh> thoreauputic: He just wants attention [10:29] <EdLin> s/need to/need it/ [10:29] <ilba7r> sJam great pakcage am reading the man for it now thanx again [10:29] <drew> thoreauputic, because with games I play, I need to manually add things to the game such as special metrics or packages [10:29] <f4phantom2500> ne1 know what i do about the problem? [10:30] <f4phantom2500> New_Face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong. Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf). [10:30] <thoreauputic> drew: OK well as advised above, you can use sudo -s (or sudo -i) [10:30] <EdLin> f4phantom2500, aptitude install mplayer-fonts [10:30] <drew> alrighty then...thanks :P [10:30] <QMario> When Linux loads a Flash Game in Mozilla Firefox, why dont' the arrow keys work? [10:31] <f4phantom2500> *elevator music* [10:31] <f4phantom2500> ok the errors gone...but i still cant hear it [10:31] <f4phantom2500> which is fucked up...i can listen to music [10:32] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: just a guess - try installing mplayer-fonts [10:32] <f4phantom2500> i did [10:33] <f4phantom2500> -_- [10:33] <skalpel> is there an app in ubuntu like notepad.exe in windows? [10:33] <znh> skalpel: lol - try gedit [10:33] <Burgundavia> skalpel, gedit, applications-->accesories-->text editor [10:33] <thoreauputic> skalpel: sort of - gedit, mousepad, scite, beaver .... [10:33] <QMario> Gedit is better than notepad. :) [10:33] <QMario> When Linux loads a Flash Game in Mozilla Firefox, why dont' the arrow keys work? [10:33] <EdLin> f4phantom2500, tell it to use esd for sound output, or disable the sound daemon in system / preferences / sound [10:33] <thoreauputic> QMario: indeed [10:34] <skalpel> thank you, gedit shall work. [10:34] <EdLin> QMario, ask Macromedia [10:34] <znh> they should disable the sound deamon by default in gnome [10:34] <skalpel> actually gedit isnt in my accessories menu. should i install it or soething? [10:34] <QMario> What will they tell me, EdLin? [10:34] <thoreauputic> znh: I believe Breezy will have a different sound config [10:35] <znh> thoreauputic: aha [10:35] <f4phantom2500> since im on the topic of sound, how do i enable 5.1? [10:35] <thoreauputic> znh: esd is a pain [10:35] <znh> thoreauputic: sometimes just a bit latency - but why do you tell me? [10:36] <sJaM> esd is nice [10:36] <EdLin> QMario, maybe they'll open their source so someone can fix their bugs. Otherwise you can't do anything about it because its propritary. [10:36] <Burgundavia> znh, they have fixed the issue in breezy by using alsa dmix [10:36] <QMario> That stinks. [10:36] <thoreauputic> sJaM: if you think esd is nice, please give me some of what you are smoking ;) [10:36] <znh> Burgundavia: when are they going to do that in hoary? [10:36] <Burgundavia> znh, they are not. Hoary is feature frozen [10:37] <znh> oh noes [10:37] <Burgundavia> znh, Breezy is due to be released in October [10:37] <EdLin> Whoever invented sound daemons is first against the wall when the revolution comes [10:37] <znh> so it's going to be just like debian sarge, many outdated packages :( [10:37] <thoreauputic> znh: there's a howto about dmix on *shudder* ubuntuguide.org (actually it seems to work quite well ) [10:37] <Burgundavia> znh, Ubuntu releases every 6 months [10:38] <znh> Burgundavia: you told me that it's frozen [10:38] <f4phantom2500> i set it for esd but i still cant hear nething [10:38] <Burgundavia> znh, and there is a clear and easy update path from Hoary to Breezy [10:38] <linlin> what can i use to get information about a pci card that is in my system. [10:38] <Burgundavia> znh, Ubuntu does not a have a "sid" [10:38] <QMario> f4phanton2500, "pkill esd" in the terminal. [10:38] <thoreauputic> znh: Hoary is frozen - Ubuntu isn't [10:38] <linlin> i do not know the manufacturer or anytrhing so i cant find drivers [10:38] <f4phantom2500> ok its fixed [10:38] <znh> :-) [10:38] <linlin> all i know is that its a tv tuner card based on XXXXX chipset [10:38] <f4phantom2500> this is so badass [10:39] <f4phantom2500> now i only have to load windows to play games [10:39] <drew> is there any way to specify a specific time I wantlinux to shut down? [10:39] <f4phantom2500> which i havent done for like a month lol [10:39] <drew> I want to go to bed, but I have to finish this download... [10:39] <drew> can I tell it to shutdown 5 hours from now somehow? [10:39] <thoreauputic> drew: man shutdown ;-) [10:39] <EdLin> linlin, run "dmesg" and look for tuner drivers, such as bttv [10:39] <znh> drew: I think that would be possible to make with python [10:39] <EdLin> drew, yes, run "at" [10:39] <drew> at? [10:39] <f4phantom2500> ne1 no of a way to run pc games in linux? [10:40] <drew> command? [10:40] <Psyche-> Hello! [10:40] <Psyche-> I've managed to configure my SB Live! 24 bit using the tutorial posted on this forum. The sound is working, but it's very distorted. How can I correct this issue? [10:40] <EdLin> znh, no need for a language. [10:40] <EdLin> drew, man at [10:40] <Burgundavia> drew, at basically schedules a command for a future date [10:40] <drew> k [10:40] <znh> EdLin: ok - will not do suggestion [10:40] <QMario> F4phantom2500, you could always try wine. [10:40] <f4phantom2500> speaking of sound, ne1 no how i can enable 5.1 [10:41] <EdLin> znh, Unix has so many nifty tools, no need to reinvent the wheel [10:41] <drew> so if I want to shut down in 6 hours, what is my command? [10:41] <f4phantom2500> heres what u do [10:41] <f4phantom2500> set your alarm for 6 hours [10:41] <f4phantom2500> turn it off [10:41] <f4phantom2500> go back to sleep [10:41] <f4phantom2500> lol [10:41] <Psyche-> drew, man shutdown [10:41] <drew> lmao [10:41] <BirdFish> What is a good linux anti-virus program? [10:41] <drew> too lazy :P [10:41] <znh> (omg what funny.. meh) [10:41] <thoreauputic> drew: or sudo ahutdown -t hh:mm -h where hh:mm is hours and minutes - see the man page [10:42] <Madpilot> just leave the machine running... [10:42] <f4phantom2500> yeah...id be too [10:42] <Madpilot> BirdFish: you don't need one, usually... [10:42] <drew> okay [10:42] <BirdFish> Madpilot why is that? [10:42] <EdLin> drew, ah, forgot that shutdown has a built-in timer. No need for apt [10:42] <EdLin> er, at [10:43] <Burgundavia> BirdFish, no current linux viruses in the wild [10:43] <Psyche-> So no answers for my question? [10:43] <znh> Edlin: Unix has so many nifty tools, no need to reinvent the wheel [10:43] <Burgundavia> Psyche-, what is your issue? [10:43] <BirdFish> What about viruses that come from Windows machines? [10:43] <EdLin> znh, :-) [10:43] <Burgundavia> BirdFish, can't run on linux boxes [10:43] <BirdFish> :D Cool [10:43] <znh> BirdFish: yep [10:44] <Psyche-> Burgundavia, sound is very distorted [10:44] <Burgundavia> BirdFish, there is also no spyware for linux boxes either [10:44] <Burgundavia> Psyche-, hoary? [10:44] <Psyche-> yes [10:44] <thoreauputic> BirdFish: you can laugh at windows viruses ;D [10:44] <BirdFish> My copy of Ubuntu is on the way. I'm just trying to find out all about linux so that I can hopefully get it up and running efficiently in a couple of hours [10:44] <drew> and this setting applies only once, correct? [10:44] <thoreauputic> drew: correct - it's a one-time command [10:44] <Psyche-> oh, and another question: I have installed a new gtk2-engines theme [10:44] <Psyche-> how can I use it? [10:45] <Psyche-> gtk, even [10:45] <ruschi> @psyche: use gtk-theme-switch [10:45] <Burgundavia> system-->prefs-->theme [10:45] <Burgundavia> choose the theme [10:45] <drew> it didn;t work [10:45] <Burgundavia> drew, yes [10:45] <Psyche-> Burgundavia, i can't find the theme there [10:45] <thoreauputic> drew: then you got it wrong [10:45] <Burgundavia> Psyche-, drag the theme to that window [10:45] <Burgundavia> Psyche-, that will install it [10:46] <Psyche-> I actually installed it with apt-get install gtk-engines-mac2 [10:46] <drew> I typed: sudo shutdown -t 08:00 [10:46] <Burgundavia> Psyche-, ok, it should be int eh themes dialog [10:46] <f4phantom2500> man, this is way better than xp [10:46] <thoreauputic> drew: if you want to halt the machine you need the -h option [10:46] <Psyche-> Burgundavia, well, I'm afraid it isn't :) [10:47] <drew> like, I want it to shut all the way down [10:47] <thoreauputic> drew: in addition to the timer [10:47] <spike> hi there [10:47] <QMario> How do I put my computer on standby? [10:47] <spike> I'm trying to do I net install, I've downloaded initrd.gz and linux, and dd'ed them to floppies. but none of the two is bootable [10:47] <f4phantom2500> is it possible to play wma in ubuntu? [10:47] <spike> what can I do? [10:47] <drew> so...sudo shutdown -H -t 08:00 ? [10:47] <Psyche-> f4phantom2500, yes, check the guide at www.ubuntuguide.org [10:47] <f4phantom2500> i wanna no before i copy my music to this partition [10:48] <ruschi> Virtual consode configuration question: I set up my kernel parameter to vga=ext and it nicely boots with small fonts but during the boot process it suddenly swiches back to the default 80x25 console - this is ugly on a 19" monitor. how can I configure the font of my virtual consoles?? [10:48] <spike> the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallationTutorial doesn't say much about it.. [10:48] <thoreauputic> drew: lower case -h [10:48] <drew> ok [10:48] <thoreauputic> drew: linux is case sensitive [10:49] <salil> disconnect [10:49] <drew> it says -t is illegal option [10:49] <salil> quit [10:49] <Psyche-> f4phantom2500, here you go: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#xmms [10:49] <Madpilot> f4phantom2500: yeah, you can. [10:49] <Burgundavia> Psyche-, please don't recommend ubuntuguide [10:49] <spike> later [10:49] <Psyche-> Burgundavia, why? [10:49] <f4phantom2500> xmms...cool [10:49] <Burgundavia> !ubuntuguide [10:49] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why. [10:49] <f4phantom2500> i just found that and was about to ask lol [10:49] <thoreauputic> drew: read the man page for "shutdown" - it isn't that hard to understand [10:49] <f4phantom2500> psyche: thanks [10:50] <Psyche-> Burgundavia, it's true, there are no explanations there, but the guide is useful, imho [10:50] <Burgundavia> Psyche-, please don't recommend it [10:50] <ruschi> any ideas for my console beautyfication? [10:50] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: that factoid is ... somewhat authoritarian in my view [10:51] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, somewhat yes, but also the truth [10:52] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: some of the info is good, some bad - I think it depends what it is recommended for [10:52] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: the wiki also has good and bad [10:52] <drew> ok [10:52] <drew> the shell stopped [10:52] <drew> I typed: sudo /sbin/shutdown -h 08:00 [10:52] <drew> and it just stopped. [10:52] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: for instance I found the NFS gi=uides on the wiki far too confusing for new users [10:53] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, there a lot of pages ont eh wiki that need help [10:53] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: yes, I would edit some but I don't know enough on most of the subjects to feel confident doing so [10:54] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, CategoryCleanup if you want to dive in [10:54] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: thanks, I'll have a look [10:55] <thoreauputic> drew: it will hang until the time is up unless you do ctrl-z then bg to background the command [10:56] <drew> ah ok, so it worked then [10:56] <thoreauputic> drew: yes [10:56] <drew> and it will shutdoen at 08:00 and not 8 hours from now? XD [10:57] <skalpel> does anyone else have trouble with nicotine loading you up on files you did not select?: [10:57] <thoreauputic> drew: I think that means it will shut down in 8 hpurs but I would need to check the man page - someone else might know off the top of their head [10:57] <drew> ah ok [10:57] <drew> ty then [10:57] <thoreauputic> drew: I suspect it means "eight hours from now" [10:58] <Madpilot> what's the NTP server that ubuntu refers to during bootup? [10:58] <Madpilot> the address of it, I mean... [10:58] <Seveas> ntp.ubuntulinux.org [10:59] <Madpilot> thanks. [10:59] <Seveas> 82.211.81.145 [10:59] <Madpilot> does anyone else have problems with Hoary's clock running fast? [10:59] <Madpilot> I synched mine this morning and it was 8 min fast just now... [10:59] <michel> not for me [11:01] <poningru> Madpilot: its probably your cmos [11:01] <poningru> battery [11:01] <poningru> try getting a new one [11:01] <ToRTuReD_X> man this sux [11:01] <ToRTuReD_X> gotta wait for this aniem e to finish downloading [11:02] <Madpilot> it's a brand-new mobo, less that a month old... [11:02] <Madpilot> crap, I was hoping to be done with hardware issues! ;) [11:02] <IIIEars> Madpilot - What did you get? [11:02] <f4phantom2500> well im out guys, later [11:02] <f4phantom2500> thanks again [11:03] <Madpilot> IIIEars: Asus A78X-E Dlx - but this is the replacement board, I had to RMA the first one... [11:03] <Madpilot> which was only 3 months old itself... [11:03] <IIIEars> ASUS makes the best stuff. - reaally surprised. [11:03] <Madpilot> **** happens, I guess. [11:04] <IIIEars> Never fun with a new computer. :/ [11:04] <Madpilot> ran my old Asus mobo for 5 yrs, no problems, and it's still in use at a friend's [11:05] <poningru> Madpilot: thats just my guess [11:05] <Madpilot> poningru: it's a sensible guess - but I really hope it's wrong! [11:06] <[teh] > i need help [11:06] <Madpilot> i've changed the NTP servers I'm referring to, we'll see what happens [11:06] <[teh] > when i type "modprobe ndiswrapper" it says that the operation is not permitted [11:06] <[teh] > how do i get around that? [11:07] <poningru> [teh] : sudo [11:07] <poningru> I am guessing [11:08] <[teh] > sudo didn't work [11:08] <thoreauputic> [teh] : you need root powers to modprobe - hence ' sudo modprobe " [11:08] <ruschi> Virtual consode configuration question: I set up my kernel parameter to vga=ext and it nicely boots with small fonts but during the boot process it suddenly swiches back to the default 80x25 console - this is ugly on a 19" monitor. how can I configure the font of my virtual consoles?? [11:08] <ruschi> any ideas for my console beautyfication? [11:08] <[teh] > it didn't work i said [11:08] <Madpilot> anyway, I need sleep. see you later, everyone [11:09] <thoreauputic> [teh] : well, what's the error [11:10] <thoreauputic> [teh] : does it say "not permitted" when you use sudo? [11:10] <[teh] > error insterting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko) operation not permitted [11:10] <thoreauputic> hmm [11:11] <[teh] > could ndiswrapper already be insterted? [11:11] <ruschi> apropos sudo: in kde I cn't use any admin tools anymore... it asks for root passwd I give it and it says it was wrong - can't be. [11:11] <ruschi> how do I fix it? [11:12] <thoreauputic> [teh] : have a look at the output of lsmod | grep ndiswrapper (if any) I haven't used ndiswrapper, so... [11:12] <pluffsy> hello [11:12] <[teh] > no output [11:13] <thoreauputic> ruschi: it wants your user password ( for sudo) [11:14] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - what would happen if he used the users and groups tool to change his password? [11:14] <ruschi> ok, I try [11:14] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: I doubt that he needs to do that [11:15] <ruschi> really - it works - thanks! [11:15] <ruschi> i didn't know that [11:15] <IIIEars> ruschi - Wait! - if you get into trouble and can't log back in ubuntuguide.org may have a kinda helpful tip. [11:15] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: as you see ;) [11:15] <thoreauputic> ruschi: look at the root/sudo page on the wiki as below [11:15] <pluffsy> I've been using linux for sometime but are still a newbie. But I've only used it on pcc and never x86. Now I'm about to install ubuntu at my parents computer and it would be neat if they could still run some windows-applications. Will Wine just configure itself so it's just a simple apt-get to make double clicking windows apps to execute possible? [11:15] <thoreauputic> !root [11:15] <ubotu> somebody said root was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [11:16] <IIIEars> lol - okay - never ass-ume ANYTHING. ;) [11:16] <ruschi> I am using linux since nov 2000 and never understood - about cared about sudo because I always thought it need root passwd not my own! Stupid - no this command makes sense! [11:16] <thoreauputic> pluffsy: not quite, no [11:16] <IIIEars> << promises to sit quietly and only jump in with discussions of the weather. [11:16] <EdLin> pluffsy, WINE doesn't work for all programs, it still needs work. Also, apt-get only grabs Linux programs, not Windows ones. [11:17] <Burgundavia> pluffsy, depends on the application [11:17] <pluffsy> but like say mainly the ms office package. [11:17] <EdLin> pluffsy, if you want to run MS Office most people reccomend the WINE fork Crosswinds Office [11:18] <IIIEars> Edlin - Does adding mozilla activex help at all. - been trying to get Scrabble working for my wife. Xscrabble just isn't what she likes. [11:18] <pluffsy> but that ain't free software, right? [11:18] <thoreauputic> erm Crossover Office [11:18] <EdLin> IIIEars, never used Mozilla ActiveX, sorry [11:18] <EdLin> pluffsy, correct [11:18] <poningru> pluffsy: use open office [11:18] <pluffsy> right. but thanks. [11:18] <poningru> 2.0 beta [11:18] <poningru> ? [11:18] <IIIEars> Edlin - okay, - actually that means something. [11:19] <EdLin> IIIEars, are you sure the application isn't Java or Flash rather than ActiveX? [11:20] <IIIEars> Edlin - it's almost nine years old. - it could be but it isn't likely. [11:20] <TT_at_bragagild> hello ppl :-) [11:20] <EdLin> IIIEars, Java plug-in technology is that old... [11:21] <EdLin> IIIEars, actually, I think ActiveX is newer than Java. [11:21] <IIIEars> Cedega - at this point willing to try anything for "domestic tranquility" - grin [11:21] <EdLin> IIIEars, not by much though [11:21] <TT_at_bragagild> Newbie question: do any of you know of a configuration program for alsa that is in ubuntu? [11:21] <EdLin> IIIEars, scrabble is available for Java at games.yahoo.com [11:22] <IIIEars> Edlin - Ah - Thanks [11:22] <nadroj> i'm having trouble installing feedparser. could someone walk me through it? [11:22] <TT_at_bragagild> i've just bought a new sound card and i have no idea what it take to get it to play [11:23] <thoreauputic> nadroj: I've never actually heard of it - what is it? And is it open source software? [11:23] <theD3viL> TT_at_bragagild, i think you can try download alsa-config or somethink like that. [11:24] <IIIEars> TT_at_bragagild - got kinda quiet in here all of a sudden. [11:24] <TT_at_bragagild> thanx, theD3vil :-) [11:24] <theD3viL> =) [11:24] <theD3viL> n [11:24] <TT_at_bragagild> i'll try that [11:24] <theD3viL> p [11:24] <IIIEars> nice tip [11:24] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: we can't all be sound gurus like crimsun, I guess ;) [11:24] <nadroj> yea, its open source. i need it to use a gmail gdesklet [11:25] <theD3viL> hm... anyone of you have gmail notifer?? [11:25] <mpmc> How do I change the permissions on a directory, So I dont have to use sudo to write to it? [11:25] <nadroj> or could any of you recommend an easy to install notifier? [11:25] <nadroj> hehe [11:25] <theD3viL> mpmc, i think chmod +x name.name [11:25] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - Everyone has their strong point. I am really very god at misconfiguring about:config in firefox - grin [11:25] <thoreauputic> mpmc: that is almost certainly a bad idea [11:26] <mpmc> Why? [11:26] <theD3viL> couse hackers. [11:26] <mpmc> I want to be able to write to /var/www/ [11:26] <thoreauputic> mpmc: there is usually a good reason for default permissions [11:26] <ToRTuReD_X> ubuntu auto makes the partitions right? [11:26] <mpmc> X: yes [11:26] <IIIEars> yes [11:27] <ToRTuReD_X> cool [11:27] <theD3viL> ToRTuReD_X, yes but you can change it manual [11:27] <ToRTuReD_X> be back later if all goes well [11:27] <ToRTuReD_X> other wise seeyas tonight [11:27] <ToRTuReD_X> XD [11:27] <theD3viL> k [11:27] <poningru> IIIEars: http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config_entries [11:27] <IIIEars> G'nite :) [11:27] <thoreauputic> mpmc: you don't need to: just use ~/public_html - apache is configured to use that by default I believe [11:27] <poningru> add if you know the unkonwn ones [11:27] <mpmc> I know.. [11:27] <mpmc> but it's annoying typing in http://mpmc.hn.org/~mpmc/ :P [11:28] <IIIEars> poningru - heh - been there. - you gotta read at least one howto to be inspired at misconfiguration. [11:28] <poningru> hehe [11:28] <mpmc> Bandwidth hogs! [11:28] <theD3viL> how can i enable mouse4 and mouse5, i must have theese buttons for surfing! [11:28] <mpmc> I had 50 requests :@ [11:29] <IIIEars> !mouse [11:29] <ubotu> well, mouse is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons [11:29] <IIIEars> did that help? [11:29] <mpmc> !mpd [11:29] <ubotu> mpmc: I give up, what is it? [11:29] <mpmc> lol [11:29] <mpmc> !info mpd [11:29] <ubotu> mpd: (Music Player Daemon, the name says it all), section universe/sound, is optional. Version: 0.11.5-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 316 kB [11:29] <IIIEars> ubotu you are a genius! [11:29] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, IIIEars [11:30] <poningru> ubotu kill ubotu [11:30] <ubotu> poningru: Wish i knew [11:30] <mpmc> Why I bothered with Fedora, I don't know [11:30] <poningru> if only everyone felt like you do [11:30] <lhb> !fedora [11:30] <ubotu> [fedora] what you use when you haven't heard of Ubuntu [11:30] <IIIEars> poningru - you killed the bot? [11:30] <mpmc> Thats true [11:30] <poningru> damn straight [11:30] <IIIEars> why?? [11:31] <mpmc> Fedora.. Is a waste of space... [11:31] <mpmc> I used 8 cd's on that junk.. [11:31] <IIIEars> Fedora - 4 CDs and nothing worthwhile installed. [11:31] <IIIEars> 8 cds now? - wow [11:31] <ruschi> Virtual consode configuration question: I set up my kernel parameter to vga=ext and it nicely boots with small fonts but during the boot process it suddenly swiches back to the default 80x25 console - this is ugly on a 19" monitor. how can I configure the font of my virtual consoles?? [11:32] <mpmc> no... I had 2 versions 3/4 [11:32] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - we all know the only real linux is tmsrtbt.. - wild grin [11:33] <IIIEars> << (hugs his ubuntu box) [11:33] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: yeah, if it doesn't fit on a floppy it's bloated ;) [11:33] <mpmc> My Friend said Fedora was easy.. |But didn't tell me about Ubuntu... Which I did with my eyes wired shut) ;) [11:34] <thoreauputic> ruschi: I think you can use vga codes like vga=791 with grub [11:34] <mpmc> infact.. I'm stll in pain [11:34] <poningru> heh I cant wait for some of the things to pan out that are in planning [11:34] <thoreauputic> but don't quote me ;) [11:34] <ruschi> o.k. but the console switches back to normal after some time during the boot process [11:34] <mpmc> Is there anyway I can boost the sound output? [11:34] <nJess> i need the ndiswrapper source [11:34] <nJess> sourceforge is down [11:34] <nJess> does anybody know a mirror? [11:35] <ruschi> in grub I have vga=ext but it doesn't stay extended mode [11:35] <mpmc> njess: try freshmeat.net [11:35] <ruschi> @mpmc: check both pcm and master volume [11:36] <ruschi> use aumix or kmix or whatever other tool [11:36] <thoreauputic> ruschi: man stty perhaps ? [11:36] <valuedcustomer> i'm a noob. can someone help me with an nvidia driver on 5.04? [11:36] <ruschi> I'll try [11:36] <Normal> yellow tabs everywhere :| [11:36] <thoreauputic> stty - change and print terminal line settings [11:36] <thoreauputic> ? [11:36] <EdLin> valuedcustomer, I use nvidia [11:36] <nJess> there is no mirror there mpmc [11:36] <mpmc> ruschi: I have but If I put it up to loud, It crackles [11:37] <mpmc> njess: I know but you might find what your after [11:37] <nJess> i didn't [11:37] <valuedcustomer> edlin, the latest drivers? i can't build the installer. [11:37] <nJess> sourceforge is down, and i really need this source [11:37] <mpmc> njessL try google for an aly download [11:37] <mpmc> alt* [11:37] <nJess> i did [11:37] <nJess> no dice [11:38] <EdLin> valuedcustomer, Ubuntu has the drivers in its restricted repository, don't download it seperately. [11:38] <mpmc> ok lol [11:38] <benplaut> g'night everyone [11:38] <DukGalNamu> hey, i have had some problems with x... seems that some programs can mess up the graphics card pretty bad, making it impossible to use the computer without restarting.. [11:38] <theD3viL> How to enable DMA? [11:38] <poningru> !dma [11:38] <poningru> heh [11:38] <EdLin> valuedcustomer, just aptitude install nvidia-glx, then run nvidia-glx-config, then control-alt-backspace to restart X [11:38] <theD3viL> ? [11:38] <valuedcustomer> i don't know what that means. i got a driver off of the nvidia site. [11:38] <mpmc> !php [11:38] <ubotu> mpmc: No idea [11:38] <mpmc> !info google [11:38] <thoreauputic> theD3 [11:38] <thoreauputic> hah [11:38] <poningru> ubotu: l theD3viL about !dma [11:38] <ubotu> poningru: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about [11:38] <EdLin> valuedcustomer, don't use that... [11:39] <valuedcustomer> EdLin, i'll try what you say [11:39] <theD3viL> !dma [11:39] <theD3viL> ? [11:39] <theD3viL> aha [11:39] <DukGalNamu> ,dma [11:39] <poningru> there you go [11:39] <IIIEars> nJess - sourceforge is very very slow but it is up. [11:39] <poningru> um thats not a good quit sign [11:39] <thoreauputic> theD3viL: usually sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/XX where XX is for instance hda or hdc etc [11:39] <mpmc> SF.net might be faster.. [11:39] <DukGalNamu> source fourge was down 0_0 [11:39] <mpmc> doudt it [11:40] <mpmc> doubt* [11:40] <theD3viL> thoreauputic, once..or after restart? [11:40] <nJess> IIIEars, i just got a message saying it was down for maintainance [11:40] <thoreauputic> theD3viL: edit /etc/hdparm to make it start on boot [11:40] <poningru> theD3viL: just follow what it says on that page [11:40] <theD3viL> k [11:40] <thoreauputic> sorry /etc/hdparm.conf [11:40] <theD3viL> tnx [11:41] <DukGalNamu> is there anyway to restart the GPU? [11:41] <IIIEars> Ah okay - it is transfering data. tho slower than a 9,600kbaud dial up. [11:41] <DukGalNamu> without restarting the computer? [11:41] <Jugan> i wanna install gyach in ubuntu but it depends on the 2.6 version of libgtkhtml...and I have 2.4. How do I upgrade to a higher version? [11:42] <EdLin> IIIEars, you mean 9600kbps, its only 600 baud. :-) [11:42] <DukGalNamu> Jugan: use synaptic and look for the latest 2.6 drivers [11:42] <DukGalNamu> Jugan: for your archetecture of course [11:43] <IIIEars> Edlin - lol - You are right. [11:43] <Jugan> DukGalNamu: i tried but i dont see any 2.6 [11:43] <mpmc> How do I get grub to auto load XP?.. not ubuntu? [11:43] <IIIEars> nJess - is this the file name you wanted? ndiswrapper-1.2.tar.gz - maybe from another site? [11:43] <DukGalNamu> Jugan: it will be most likely 2.6.11-2 or something [11:43] <mpmc> my brother... Gah! [11:44] <nJess> nvm, got it [11:44] <EdLin> IIIEars, it's amazing how many bps are getting squeazed out of the bandwidth of POTS. [11:44] <ruschi> stty -a nicely prints all settings - but stty -F /dev/ttyX rows 50 says "no such device or address" [11:44] <daves> anyone able to hlep with importing kmail address book (mandrake 10.0) into thunderbird ? [11:44] <ruschi> strangely I can lower the number of rows : stty -F /dev/tty1 rows 10 works [11:45] <IIIEars> Edlin - the new compression and caching systems are making dial-up tolerable. still good for most things [11:45] <thoreauputic> ruschi: is that literally what you typed, or did you use, say, /dev/tty1 / [11:45] <valuedcustomer> EdLin, I did what you said, but still not happy. My resolution is low; I need 1280x1024. [11:45] <DukGalNamu> jugan select linux image 2.6.xx (xx being 10 or 11) [11:45] <EdLin> IIIEars, you can't use the new compression and cache stuff under Linux. :-( [11:45] <mpmc> Does dial up still exist? [11:45] <djp> !dma [11:45] <thoreauputic> ruschi: sorry - slow typing + lag [11:45] <EdLin> mpmc, sure. I'm on it now [11:45] <mpmc> lol.. dumb question. [11:46] <theD3viL> hm...how can i now format ntfs partition and make ext3 ? [11:46] <daves> mpmc: yup i am on it now ... [11:46] <mpmc> I know.. It was a joke.. [11:46] <ruschi> here is my command: "stty -F /dev/tty1" rows 50 ---> stty: /dev/tty1: No such device or address [11:46] <IIIEars> Edlin - Hm - Did microsoft erm "adopt" the standard and "borg" it? [11:46] <ruschi> here is my command: "stty -F /dev/tty1" rows 10 ---> no output and the console only has 10 lines [11:46] <Jugan> DukGalNamu: linux image? Where do i find that? in Synaptic? [11:46] <EdLin> IIIEars, I don't know what MS has to do with all of the extra compression dial-up options. [11:47] <thoreauputic> ruschi: hmm - I have no idea then :/ [11:47] <poningru> guys help out a guy named jentolinux when he comes in here please [11:47] <poningru> I have to go sleep [11:47] <DukGalNamu> yes just do a search on 2.6.11 [11:47] <EdLin> IIIEars, actually MS invented PAP, but it managed to be interoperable. [11:47] <ruschi> me neither - I think I stop bothering and use xterm :-) [11:47] <thoreauputic> don't use 2.6.11 - it has known bugs [11:47] <ruschi> Bye [11:47] <DukGalNamu> jugan or search directly for linux-image-2.6.11-386 [11:48] <mpmc> Yum rocky choco bar :P [11:48] <DukGalNamu> Jugan: or apt-get install linux-image-2.6.11-386 [11:48] <daves> anyone able to hlep with importing kmail address book (mandrake 10.0) into thunderbird ? [11:48] <thoreauputic> DukGalNamu: no one should use 2.6.11 - it's unsupported and broken [11:48] <DukGalNamu> Jugan: or apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-386 [11:48] <DukGalNamu> :P [11:48] <IIIEars> "" - not a great experience with 2.6.11 :/ [11:49] <DukGalNamu> i was actually thinking of upgrading too [11:49] <valuedcustomer> do i need to edit xorg.conf manually to get correct monitor resolution? [11:49] <DukGalNamu> but that would require a restart [11:49] <DukGalNamu> :P [11:49] <DukGalNamu> uptime of 33 days now [11:49] <mpmc> Can I run Wow on Ubuntu? [11:49] <EdLin> valuedcustomer, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg first [11:49] <IIIEars> valuedcustomer - no - unless you want dual monitors [11:49] <thoreauputic> valuedcustomer: first try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [11:50] <mpmc> 33 Days Wow! [11:50] <DukGalNamu> had it up to 45 when it crashed running diablo... [11:50] <Jugan> ok dont worry, i got it figured [11:50] <Jugan> heeheheh [11:50] <thoreauputic> 19:50:15 up 35 days, 4:09, 1 user, load average: 0.09, 0.06, 0.04 [11:50] <EdLin> thoreauputic, GMTA [11:50] <IIIEars> (applauds) [11:50] <IIIEars> pretty good [11:50] <mpmc> Heh... I bet that was a lot of electricity used [11:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyone else lost their gettys after upgrading to the modular X? [11:51] <thoreauputic> EdLin: GMTA ? [11:51] <valuedcustomer> 'nv' or 'nvidia'? [11:51] <EdLin> thoreauputic, Great Minds Think Alike [11:51] <DukGalNamu> Kamping_Kaiser: modular x? [11:51] <thoreauputic> EdLin: ahah ! :) [11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> DukGalNamu: xorg just went modular [11:51] <EdLin> valuedcustomer, nvidia, if you've installed nvidia-glx [11:51] <IIIEars> nvidia for the binary from the nvidia site nv works for all bur the most rabid gamer [11:52] <DukGalNamu> Kamping_Kaiser: is it working? [11:52] <thoreauputic> EdLin: OTOH, Fools never differ ;-) [11:52] <EdLin> IIIEars, you don't need it from the nvidia site, that's what the "restricted" part of Ubuntu provides [11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> DukGalNamu: xorg is mostly working (few probs) but i lost my gettys :( [11:52] <IIIEars> Very true - not worth the effort. [11:52] <DukGalNamu> Kamping_Kaiser: heh, well i will wait, besides, i got a good irssi uptime [11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol [11:53] <DukGalNamu> Irssi uptime: 24d 4h 37m 26s [11:53] <daves> anyone able to help with importing address books ?? [11:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> DukGalNamu: not bad :o [11:54] <DukGalNamu> all the addresses i need i keep in my head.... considering its only about 3 or 4 (not sure) i don't bother with any of that [11:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> daves, address books from where to where? [11:54] <mpmc> daves: Try google... I'm not sure. [11:55] <DukGalNamu> Kamping_Kaiser: i feel like everytime i have to quit or restart something that is stable that i loose a part of myself [11:55] <daves> Kamping_Kaiser / mpmc: kmail (mandrake 10.0 officeal) -> thunderbird [11:55] <ubuntu64> Wow .... 64 bit does rock [11:55] <ubuntu64> first boot right now ... [11:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> kmail :S not sure about what is uses [11:56] <DukGalNamu> is the 2800+ a 64bit? [11:56] <ubuntu64> yes [11:56] <mpmc> daves: try looking for a file..... with your address book. [11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> not the xp [11:56] <DukGalNamu> hmm, then i probably should be using the 64bit kernel i guess.... [11:56] <mpmc> then look on the TB site. [11:56] <ubuntu64> AMD 2800 64 bit ... [11:56] <daves> Kamping_Kaiser: kmail uses mbox (me thinks) [11:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> daves. not sure about what you can do, sorry [11:57] <DukGalNamu> ubuntu64: hmm, case says amd athalon XP... [11:57] <EdLin> DukGalNamu, it would mention if it had 64 bits [11:57] <daves> mmpmc: where do i start ?? i already have tried the aimple names eg addressbook, kontact addressbook [11:57] <ubuntu64> this is 64 bit ubuntu [11:58] <valuedcustomer> EdLin, thanks a lot for your help! [11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> DukGalNamu: the athon XPs are not 64 [11:58] <jonnnn> hi [11:58] <mpmc> Woah... Yeah... Well.. My heart id on fire! [11:58] <EdLin> valuedcustomer, np [11:58] <nJess> DukGalNamu, there is nothing wrong with athlon xp [11:58] <nJess> its a decent processor [11:59] <ubuntu64> how do you pull the info from chat [11:59] <nJess> cpu[1 x AMD Athlon XP 3200+ (Barton) @ 2.19 GHz w/ 512 KB L2 Cache] [11:59] <nJess> see? [11:59] <EdLin> DukGalNamu, don't feel bad, I have a P4 1.7GHz and its more than fast enough for most applications [11:59] <jonnnn> is it possible to change text in menus e,g Applications--->office---openoffice.org workprocessor? [11:59] <DukGalNamu> i am thinking the 3000+ with 2ghz FSB and of course 64 bit [11:59] <daves> Kamping_Kaiser: well thanx for trying. tried looking under home/daves/.mail/daves/cur [11:59] <DukGalNamu> wait no [11:59] <DukGalNamu> 3200+ [11:59] <DukGalNamu> not 3000 [11:59] <Ferrara> i've downloaded a bin file , how do i open it ? [11:59] <jonnnn> I want to change the last entry openoffice.org with something like "Word" etc [11:59] <EdLin> DukGalNamu, still a fast 32 bit chip, not 64. [12:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ferrara: set it's permisions to execute and double click [12:00] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: true, it outporforms most computers, even when it was using windoze [12:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ferrara: what's it a bin for? [12:00] <azik> Hello. How can I get antialiasing fonts in gtk1.2 applications, like xmms or mplayer? [12:00] <sexcopter8000m> in windows i was used to holding alt and typing in a number on the keypad to get special characters (accents etc)... how can i do something similar in ubuntu? [12:00] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: now it FLYS!!! [12:01] <mjr> sexcopter8000m, most gtk/gnome software allows you to type hex codes in with shift-ctrl [12:01] <EdLin> azik, you can't [12:01] <Ferrara> Kamping_Kaiser, i've downloaded a movie DVDrip but he is on format bin [12:01] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: but fast enough isn't fast enough :P [12:01] <sexcopter8000m> nice, it works :) [12:01] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: i am a power freak [12:01] <azik> Edlin, why not? [12:01] <sexcopter8000m> but the codes are different... maybe before it was octal or sommat [12:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ferrara: oh, bin as in cd image? [12:02] <chiisai> Err, well... I made a tar archive out of my gentoo installation, right. (tar -cf lust-28-07-05.tar / --preserve-permissions --one-file-system) That created a huge tar archive (7.2 GB), so I thought everything was ok. I formatted, created my partitions and put the archive in /. However unpacking it fails of some sort. (tar -xf lust-28-07-05.tar) The resulting data is... 280 MB or something like that, and usr is apparently missing. What am I d [12:02] <chiisai> oing wrong? The archive is quite big, so I'm sure all my data is in there. How do I extract it? tar gives no error messages. [12:02] <Ferrara> no [12:02] <EdLin> DukGalNamu, I don't have the money to buy a new computer when I don't need one. [12:02] <ubuntu64> how the heck to high level format my boot sector on my harddrive ... [12:02] <theD3viL> Can i turn OFF animations in gnome??? [12:02] <Ferrara> theres no way to watch the movie on bin format ? [12:02] <mjr> sexcopter8000m, windows uses decimal [12:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ferrara: try mplayer [12:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbl [12:02] <EdLin> azik, because it was written before antialiasing X was available or common. [12:02] <Ferrara> i use xine [12:02] <chiisai> Ferrara, mplayer plays img/bin fine. [12:02] <sexcopter8000m> ah, ok [12:03] <AMCDeathKnight> How can I install a GBA Emulator on linux? [12:03] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: me neither, but i can build a sweet machine for next to nothing (comparativly) since i have wholsale sources [12:03] <ubuntu64> well had to test the system... now to deal with my stinking harddrive ... [12:03] <azik> EdLin, ah, thanks, it's a good reason :) [12:03] <sexcopter8000m> so is there a convenient reference table for hex codes? [12:03] <EdLin> DukGalNamu, lucky. :-) [12:04] <anacron> AMCDeathKnight: i installed it with apt-get, sorry i don't remember the name, but you can search it with apt-cache search gba [12:04] <mjr> sexcopter8000m, well, man latin1 gives the first FF [12:04] <EdLin> azik, if you want to run something similar to xbox with gtk2 get beep-media-player. [12:04] <DukGalNamu> i could build an athalon 3200+ 2ghz fsb 1G ram 200G hd dual layer dvd-rw for about 750 [12:04] <mjr> sexcopter8000m, then there's the unicode character map (gucharmap) [12:04] <EdLin> s/xbox/xmms [12:04] <AMCDeathKnight> ok [12:04] <mjr> correction: man ascii and man latin1 together give the first FF [12:05] <azik> Edlin, ok, thanks :) [12:05] <sexcopter8000m> ah, that's cool, thanks :) [12:05] <azik> apt-cache search xbox... not found.. :P [12:05] <DukGalNamu> ... [12:05] <EdLin> azik, note my correction. xmms [12:05] <azik> EdLin yes [12:06] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: the onlything that costs about the same as retail are GPUs [12:06] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: markup is at BEST $30 [12:06] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: and thats for the expensive ones... [12:07] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: the cheap ones have nearly %100 markup [12:07] <EdLin> DukGalNamu, I'm still running the TNT2 M64 that came with my computer [12:07] <sJaM> chiisai, --preserve permission only has effect with extracting [12:07] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: ... [12:07] <sJaM> chiisai, if you open it in Archive Mangaer what do you see [12:07] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: thats... sad [12:08] <EdLin> DukGalNamu, why? I don't do any serious gaming. [12:08] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: but i am not much better [12:08] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: i got a ATI 9800 pro [12:09] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: it don't matter if you do gamming or not, its about the overall power [12:09] <DukGalNamu> teh GPU relieves FPS from the cpu, so you can have faster compilations [12:10] <DukGalNamu> and such [12:10] <EdLin> yeah, I need to draw my firefox window with lightning speed. ;-) [12:10] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: thats the right thinking :P [12:10] <EdLin> I wouldn't want drawing my xchat screen to slow down my toy program compilations. ;-) [12:10] <ToRTuReD_X> hey guys [12:10] <ToRTuReD_X> got it installed [12:10] <ToRTuReD_X> ;D [12:11] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: heheh, well, there aint nothing like a little command line irc clients [12:11] <EdLin> DukGalNamu, true, irssi is nice. [12:12] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: but if you are using the see through function of aterm you probably are sucking up some energy [12:12] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: out of the cpu [12:12] <chiisai> sJaM, bin boot dev etc lib mnt opt proc sys [12:12] <chiisai> sJaM, which is everything that gets extracted [12:13] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: not much for a amd or a p4 3.0 [12:13] <DukGalNamu> dang its late!!! i got to hit the hay [12:13] <DukGalNamu> c ya guys later [12:13] <EdLin> DukGalNamu, night [12:13] <chiisai> sJaM: So usr and var isn't found by tar/Archive Manager... I'll probably have to try finding some sort of program that can fix corrupt tar archives :\ [12:14] <Raptoid> selamlar. [12:16] <dimitris> I have a problem keeping gaim minimized. Everytime i log in the main window just pops up. [12:16] <Kelju-Ilpo> Simple question: I get only "GRUB loading" and Error 22 when starting my computer. Usually I got to screen where I could choose which operation system I will run? [12:16] <sJaM> chiisai, did you had var and usr on a different partition then ? [12:17] <sJaM> Error 22 No such partition [12:17] <chiisai> sJaM, no [12:17] <sJaM> Kelju-Ilpo, [12:17] <Kelju-Ilpo> ? [12:18] <sJaM> This error is returned if a partition is requested in the device [12:18] <sJaM> part of a device- or full file name which isn't on the selected [12:18] <sJaM> disk. [12:18] <chiisai> And the archive is like 7.2 GB, so I'm pretty sure it's included, but it can't find it when opening the archive [12:18] <sJaM> strange [12:18] <chiisai> yeah [12:19] <chiisai> I'm looking for some sort of repair utility for TAR files :\ [12:19] <sJaM> if you extract [12:19] <sJaM> what is the filesize [12:19] <sJaM> of the files that do extract [12:19] <sJaM> ? [12:19] <chiisai> 11542 items, totalling 278.8 MB [12:19] <sJaM> if you do a tar --list [12:19] <unreal> hmm, what would be the usual ftpd of choice for ubuntu? [12:19] <sJaM> does /var or /usr show up in the list [12:20] <chiisai> nope [12:20] <sJaM> (you better pipe it to less) [12:20] <chiisai> err [12:20] <chiisai> wait [12:20] <sJaM> proftpd unreal [12:20] <sJaM> or vsftpd [12:20] <unreal> cheers :) [12:20] <James-C> or wu-ftpd [12:20] <sJaM> I like proftpd better, easy to configure [12:20] <sJaM> but it is just a matter of preference [12:20] <Kelju-Ilpo> So, is there any chance to me to even get to windows, and maybe re-install Ubuntu? [12:21] <sJaM> did you change anything to partitions Kelju-Ilpo ? [12:21] <sJaM> because you state that it worked before didn't it ? [12:21] <Kelju-Ilpo> yes, I tried to increase size of the linux paritition with Partition Magic 8.0 [12:21] <sJaM> ah [12:22] <sJaM> did you add a partition [12:22] <sJaM> between it [12:22] <sJaM> remove one [12:22] <Kelju-Ilpo> no [12:22] <MyNameIsChris> Hi, not an Ubuntu user but I just thought that, for some reason, you folks might like to know that a friend and I managed to distribute 37 Ubuntu CDs at school today [12:22] <Kelju-Ilpo> I used unallocated space [12:22] <MyNameIsChris> People seemed interested [12:22] <sJaM> can you mount the paritions with the live cd ? [12:22] <Kelju-Ilpo> I'll try... [12:23] <sJaM> was the unallocated space at the end? [12:24] <Kelju-Ilpo> hmm.. I removed one windows partition and used that space, so I guess the answer is no [12:26] <sJaM> well grub can't find the partition it used to find before [12:26] <Kelju-Ilpo> I'm just thinking that there should be unaffected windows there, but how could I get there.. Because it cant find the linux partition, I cant get to windows either [12:26] <sJaM> are you now on a linux live cd ? [12:26] <Kelju-Ilpo> yes [12:27] <sJaM> could you dump in a pastebin [12:27] <EdLin> Kelju-Ilpo, try booting from a rescue cd/floppy [12:27] <sJaM> your /boot/grub/menu.lst [12:27] <sJaM> that can you do also [12:27] <sJaM> but he is already in linux [12:27] <thr1ce> chroot is your friend [12:28] <chiisai> tar --list takes forever :\ [12:28] <sJaM> hehe [12:28] <chiisai> I'm not even sure if it's working [12:28] <sJaM> you should redirect the output to a file [12:28] <chiisai> At maaaay be taking a nap or something [12:28] <chiisai> I'm doing that [12:28] <sJaM> oh ok [12:29] <sJaM> you can grep it now [12:29] <sJaM> grep /usr file [12:29] <chiisai> err [12:29] <chiisai> Heh, the file is empty [12:30] <chiisai> But it's probably still reading it or something? [12:30] <sJaM> well the --list [12:30] <sJaM> just read the tar [12:30] <sJaM> but instead of extracting it display the name [12:30] <sJaM> but it takes the same time to do the job [12:31] <chiisai> tar -t lust-28-07-05.tar is what I did [12:31] <sJaM> euhm [12:31] <shawarma> chiisai: Oh, that's never gonna finish. [12:31] <sJaM> you forget the -f [12:31] <chiisai> The file is empty, and apparently the CPU isn't doing anything [12:31] <chiisai> oh.. x.x [12:31] <sJaM> it is waiting for stdin [12:31] <sJaM> now [12:31] <shawarma> chiisai: That one is going to look through the tar file it expects to get from stdin and output if it finds a file called lust-28-07-05.tar [12:32] <chiisai> oh. [12:32] <chiisai> So how exactly do I do this then? [12:32] <shawarma> chiisai: tar -tf lust-28-07-05.tar [12:32] <sJaM> tar --list --file=lust-28-07-05.tar [12:32] <chiisai> root@ubuntu:/mnt/gentoo # tar -ft lust-28-07-05.tar > filelist [12:32] <chiisai> tar: You must specify one of the `-Acdtrux' options [12:32] <shawarma> chiisai: Unless otherwise stated, tar always expects to get its input from stdin. [12:33] <sJaM> first t [12:33] <shawarma> chiisai: tar tf lust-28-07-05.tar [12:33] <sJaM> then f [12:33] <chiisai> sJaMs command worked [12:33] <sJaM> or my method [12:33] <chiisai> oh, even that matters? [12:33] <sJaM> yes [12:33] <sJaM> it expects first an action [12:33] <sJaM> then the options [12:33] <sJaM> unless you use the GNU option style [12:33] <shawarma> chiisai: Yes. tar is a bit special that way. Most commands don't care in which order you give it the options. [12:34] <Goek> hey i've just installed wolfenstein et - i installed it as superuser but when i try to execute it it changes the resolution and gives me a blackscreen - if i surf a little to the side i can see the console where i started it, and it's frozen or stopped or still thinking and the "Sound initialization" [12:34] <chiisai> cat filelist | grep usr/ [12:34] <chiisai> no output [12:34] <sJaM> or [12:34] <sJaM> grep /usr filelist [12:34] <Goek> can any1 help me or know ehre to get help [12:34] <sJaM> that can be Goek [12:34] <sJaM> you need to change the esd settings I guess [12:35] <shawarma> Goek: Do you have access to a terminal on the machine? [12:35] <loucomballa> Why does Ubuntu remove such packs as mysql-server mutt or bugzilla when removing the postfix package? Isn't it weird? The same happened last week when removing hula also removed mysql-server! [12:35] <Goek> acces to a terminal? [12:35] <Goek> sJaM, whats the esd settings? [12:36] <Goek> i've heard when i set up the sound output in the start of my ubuntu-adventure(yesterday) [12:36] <shawarma> Goek: Try running 'killall esd'. It'll kill your sound server which has control over the audio device. The game hangs because it's waiting for the audio device to become availabe. [12:36] <Goek> i'll try that [12:36] <sJaM> well esd makes multiple sounds possible [12:36] <sJaM> but Wolfenstein doesn't support it [12:37] <sJaM> so just follow shawarma directions [12:37] <sJaM> I be away eating [12:37] <Goek> same problem [12:37] <shawarma> sJaM: Right. I really think we should add the -as options to /etc/esd/esd.conf per default. [12:37] <shawarma> Goek: It still hangs? [12:37] <Goek> yeah, still hangs after killall esd [12:38] <shawarma> loucomballa: All of those things rely on having some sort of MTA available. postfix, exim and hula all provide an MTA. When you remove the last MTA, all the stuff that needs one are going to be removed as well. [12:39] <shawarma> Goek: Hmm... That was my only guess with the amount of info I have available.. [12:39] <Goek> ok [12:39] <Goek> thanks anyway [12:40] <nothingsometing> can someone help me, i am a new bie and i have a drive that i formated that i can't get to show up on computer:/// [12:40] <nothingsometing> but the drive mounts [12:40] <nothingsometing> i don't understand [12:41] <loucomballa> shawarma, OK i understand that but...mysql-server? [12:41] <nothingsometing> bob2 hellow [12:41] <shawarma> loucomballa: mysql-server depends on debconf, which in turn depends on an MTA. [12:41] <nothingsometing> can someone help me?? [12:41] <geppy> How can I use dd over the network? I would like to make an image of a hard drive using an Ubuntu LiveCD, and put the image onto another computer, running Ubuntu Hoary. [12:41] <nothingsometing> can someone help me, i am a new bie and i have a drive that i formated that i can't get to show up on computer:/// [12:42] <shawarma> nothingsometing: It needs to be mounted. [12:42] <loucomballa> I see [12:42] <nothingsometing> it is mounted [12:42] <shawarma> nothingsometing: I see. How did you mount it? [12:43] <nothingsometing> i know cause i opened fstab and saw the location and wen't there and put files and souch in it [12:43] <nothingsometing> i wen't in terminal and typed mount/hdb1 [12:43] <nothingsometing> and it didn't give me any errors [12:44] <nothingsometing> then i ddi all of that jaz i told you about b4 [12:44] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, do df -h in terminal [12:44] <bmonnens> what do you see? [12:44] <nothingsometing> ok [12:45] <nothingsometing> um [12:45] <nothingsometing> go to flood [12:45] <nothingsometing> i'll paste there [12:45] <nothingsometing> ok [12:46] <bmonnens> i'm there [12:46] <nothingsometing> you there yet [12:46] <nothingsometing> ok [12:47] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, there is no hdb1 entry in there, so your drive isn't mounted [12:48] <nothingsometing> your evedently right , but why no errors [12:48] <djp> how do i close a program that has totally hung? i am using gnome under hoary by the way. [12:48] <bmonnens> dunno, you should do somehting like mount /dev/hdb1 /media/mynewdrive [12:48] <nothingsometing> my mount point in fstab is /mnt/storage [12:49] <nothingsometing> wait [12:49] <nothingsometing> what does that do [12:49] <bmonnens> mount the device /dev/hdb1 to /media/mynewdrive [12:49] <skalpel> what is the best antivirus software for ubuntu? [12:49] <bmonnens> or in your case it would be /dev/hdb1 /mnt/storage [12:49] <nothingsometing> do i need to create the folders and such [12:49] <chiisai> Uh, you don't need antivirus software when you're using Linux [12:50] <nothingsometing> yeah true [12:50] <skalpel> really. that is interesting [12:50] <skalpel> why not? [12:50] <bmonnens> but you're sure that the device is at /dev/hdb1? [12:50] <nothingsometing> because virus's aren't trgeted tward lunix [12:50] <chiisai> Because viruses and trojans are targeted against Windows systems all the time [12:50] <skalpel> you mean that literally? [12:50] <skalpel> no virii for linux. [12:50] <skalpel> excellent [12:50] <chiisai> Yeah. [12:51] <nothingsometing> and if someone wants to send you a virus the virus blocker won't atch it because it's probbally home made [12:51] <azik> chiisai, i thint that a antivirus to scan mailboxes it's interisting in a mail server [12:51] <azik> or on storage server [12:51] <chiisai> azik, sure. And if you want to scan a Windows partition while running Linux [12:51] <nothingsometing> bmonnens yeah i'm sure [12:51] <nothingsometing> go to flood i'll show you my fstam [12:52] <nothingsometing> fstab i'm SURE it's a problem with that [12:53] <nothingsometing> because it was giving me errors b4 i noticed that fstab was still saying that my drive was still in ntfs and i had turned it to ext3 [12:53] <nothingsometing> so i kinda edited it [12:53] <nothingsometing> but not b4 i copyed what it was b4 [12:54] <azik> chiisai, yes, too [12:54] <nothingsometing> are you going to flood again ?? [12:54] <geppy> How can I set up and mount a network share? [12:54] <geppy> I need to be able to mount it somewhere like "/mnt" [12:54] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, in flood my fstab [12:55] <nothingsometing> here's mine [12:55] <nothingsometing> do you see what i was trying to do [12:56] <nothingsometing> i knida just copied the settings that was working for the other drive that was ext3 to my other drive that was ext3 [12:57] <bimberi> geppy: Hopefully this'll help you - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently [12:57] <geppy> bimberi: Thanks! [12:57] <bimberi> geppy: yw :) [12:57] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, your missing a 0 at the end in your past? [12:58] <bmonnens> or isn't it there? [12:59] <bmonnens> btw just do a mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/storage in terminal as root [12:59] <bmonnens> and then do a df -h [12:59] <bmonnens> is the entry then there? [12:59] <concept10> My resolution never returns to default after exiting a enemy territory mode, any suggestions? [01:00] <Alban-P> salut [01:01] <Alban-P> s'il vous plait, j'ai un petit problme avec ubuntu, je peux vous demader de l'aide ? [01:01] <nothingsometing> i just copyed one of yours [01:01] <[adw] > to admin wireless card in console, the command is iwconfig right? [01:02] <nothingsometing> in past what does you2 #2 mean [01:02] <nothingsometing> your* [01:02] <nothingsometing> in hda2 [01:04] <highvolt1ge> [adw] : yes [01:04] <highvolt1ge> [adw] : iwconfig key s:mykey essid mynetwork [01:05] <thoreauputic> Alban-P: peut etre plus facile ->> /join #ubuntu-fr [01:05] <Alban-P> mdr, dsl [01:05] <Alban-P> mal rveill :) [01:05] <Alban-P> bye all :) [01:06] <[adw] > highvolt1ge: thanks:) [01:06] <nothingsometing> are you there still??? [01:09] <Hawkeye> dang, after the update of firefox to 1.0.6 in warty, epiphany doesn't show the menu when rightclicking on a page, nor does it open new tabs when middleclicking on URL's [01:09] <nothingsometing> i still am haveing that problem .....it won't list the drive in "computer" [01:10] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, sorry got to go [01:10] <Hawkeye> strange that ubuntu released both 1.7.10 and 1.0.6 packages of mozilla and firefox respectively, as they're supposed to hold binary compatibility during security updates [01:10] <bimberi> nothingsometing: did you try "sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/storage"? [01:10] <bmonnens> may help you [01:11] <nothingsometing> i'm in root [01:11] <bimberi> nothingsometing: cut the "sudo" then :) [01:11] <j2dope> hi. my dell laptop has a scroll pad area on it's touchpad. it's great for browsing sites and such. is there a way to have this work on ubuntu? [01:11] <nothingsometing> it's mounted now [01:11] <nothingsometing> just can't see it in computer [01:11] <nothingsometing> cause i typed that [01:12] <skalpel> can someone tell me what the cause of failed dcc file transfers usually is? [01:12] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: maybe they got sick of all the "why doesn't Ubuntu have up-to-date stuff?" questions (like me) :/ [01:12] <nothingsometing> i typed that thing in that you told me [01:12] <nothingsometing> can you help [01:12] <bimberi> nothingsometing: so it appears in "df -h" now? [01:13] <cyberix> What would be the easiest way to decompres a rar archive that is in multiple files? .rar .r00 .r01 etc... [01:13] <thoreauputic> skalpel: are you behind NAT ? using a proxy maybe? [01:13] <nothingsometing> yes it does [01:13] <cyberix> Unrar doesn't seem to work. [01:13] <Hawkeye> thoreauputic: myes, but one should run sid, gentoo or rawhide then, and not a stable distribution like warty. You see what happens when they break binary compatibility by shipping newer packagas than the one the distro shipped with [01:13] <cyberix> Neither the gnome archivemanager [01:13] <Hawkeye> especially with such important packages like firefox, where a lot of applications (epiphany, galeon) link with. Either they update all packages at once, or they simply hold binary compatibility [01:14] <nothingsometing> it is in flood [01:14] <nothingsometing> c - p [01:14] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: i agree with you - i was just comenting on the tedium we had to put up with when it was every second question: "OMG why can't I have the new Firefox?" [01:14] <Hawkeye> granted, that might be a bit too harsh, as some security bugs are very hard to fix on old versions, but still [01:14] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, then goto /mnt/storage [01:14] <skalpel> thoreaputic: what is NAT? [01:15] <bmonnens> something came, so i'm back :) [01:15] <bimberi> nothingsometing: k - but still not appearing in Places -> Computer ? [01:15] <MartenH> There is a lot of packages that can't be authenticated, is that anything to worry about or are they simply missing their checksum? [01:15] <skalpel> i dont believe i am on a proxy. [01:15] <thoreauputic> skalpel: internet connection sharing, Network Address Translation [01:15] <j2dope> hi. my dell laptop has a scroll pad area on it's touchpad. it's great for browsing sites and such. is there a way to have this work on ubuntu? [01:15] <skalpel> i have never even heard of that =) [01:15] <cyberix> Probably rar-package from multiverse then. [01:15] <skalpel> thoreaputic: want to explain it to me? [01:15] <Hawkeye> hmm, I wonder if I should file a bug report on the broken epiphany and galeon packages due to the updated firefox package... Checking the mailing list first to see if any of the devs dropped that they would be rebuilding all packages and gradually releasing them through the security updates channel [01:16] <nothingsometing> yes [01:16] <thoreauputic> skalpel: try setting xchat toget your IP from the server and see if that helps [01:16] <skalpel> ok [01:16] <nothingsometing> i can acesses mnt/storage [01:16] <rick_> hi [01:16] <nothingsometing> but it's still not in computer as a drive [01:16] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: your galeon is broken? In what way? Mine appears OK [01:16] <rick_> is there any tool for fast changing of screenresolution available fr ubuntu ? [01:17] <nothingsometing> and right bimberi [01:17] <Hawkeye> thoreauputic: epiphany is, it doesn't show the context menu when right clicking in a page, nor does it open up a link in a new tab when middle clicking [01:17] <nothingsometing> it's confuseing me [01:17] <nothingsometing> it is [01:17] <Hawkeye> note that I'm running warty, not hoary [01:17] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: hmm.. I see [01:17] <thoreauputic> ah, warty OK - I have Hoary [01:18] <Hawkeye> I haven't tested galeon yet actually, but I guess that it must be broken too somehow, as a leap from firefox 0.9.3 to 1.0.6 is pretty steep from the API standpoint [01:18] <skalpel> how do i portscan an ip? [01:18] <Hawkeye> man nmap [01:18] <bimberi> nothingsometing: k - bear with me ... [01:18] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: why warty? Hoary has been rock solid for me [01:18] <rick_> does anyone know the ET problem ? [01:19] <nothingsometing> would you like to see my fstab again bimberi? [01:19] <Hawkeye> thoreauputic: I get that question a lot, but basicly, when a system works for me, I want to keep it that way for quite a while. This warty setup is tweaked inside out, and I don't feel like loosing a day to do that with hoary [01:19] <bimberi> nothingsometing: no, not yet, I'm experimenting with mount options [01:19] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: I understand [01:20] <Hawkeye> I'm mostly using the computer for java development, browsing and e-mail, so the packages that come with warty are more than sufficient for me [01:20] <nothingsometing> ooh ok [01:20] <rick_> ic that here is nothing zu expect ich will ask some guys they have the knowledge about it cya [01:21] <julo> hi [01:21] <Hawkeye> that's why I'm a bit upset about the breakage of epiphany (my prefered browser) due to the unforseen API breaking update of firefox. Such a thing is normal if you run sid or a state of the art gentoo system, but not when you've been using warty for almost a year without a hitch [01:22] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, I'm not quit sure but I think the My computer in ubuntu doesn't necesarrely have anything to do with the /etc/fstab [01:22] <julo> how about efault to desktop == home in ubuntu ? It would be a good way to test it, fix the problems, and maybe later have it in upstream GNOME ? [01:22] <Hawkeye> note that I *do* understand people that want to live on the edge on the package department. It can be fun if you have the time to work around bugs and quirks like that, but when one uses warty, it's supposed to stay the same system so you can be sure no apps break unexpectedly [01:22] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: might be worth a bug report then - I agree it shouldn't happen [01:23] <nothingsometing> that's what i'm thinking [01:23] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: I wonder if an update to Epiphany would be the answer? [01:23] <nothingsometing> it must be something else [01:23] <nothingsometing> but what could it be [01:23] <bimberi> nothingsometing: I think it's a mount option but can't find it - still looking tho :) [01:24] <Hawkeye> thoreauputic: sure, if epiphany is recompiled agains the new firefox sources, everything will work just the way it was [01:24] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: hopefully that's what they will do [01:24] <thoreauputic> since they updated the others... [01:25] <Hawkeye> the problem is: the version of epiphany shipped with warty is 1.4.4. It probably won't compile agains firefox 1.0.6, necessitating an updated epiphany package (1.6.0 for example). That opens up yet another can of worms, as that may introduce new bugs, changed functionality, etc. This isn't something that should be done on a stable system [01:25] <nothingsometing> you m/f not that it matters [01:26] <Hawkeye> if you run a binary system that's guaranteed to stay binary compatible, updating to new packages to fix a security leak is a big no no [01:26] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: right - I'm a bit mystified as to whay they did this, frankly, other than to avoid PR problems [01:26] <thoreauputic> *why [01:27] <Hawkeye> but, that fixes the problem for the masses that moan for the latest and gratest packages, but gets me into problems when suddenly, after an apt-get dist-upgrade, packages break unexpectidly that had been running fine for almost a year [01:27] <bimberi> nothingsometing: "m/f"??? [01:27] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: yeah - debian wouldn't do this, I'm sure [01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyone else missing glxgears? i just discovered i don't have it [01:28] <nothingsometing> nevermind .....it means male or female but like i said i don't need to know [01:28] <Hawkeye> they should set their priorities straight: either you run a binary distribution that breaks sometimes and always offers the latest packages, or either you release a binary distribution that stays stable for it's lifetime. I was under the impression that warty was such a stable system, but suddenly, after almost a year, they start breaking random apps through their updates [01:28] <nothingsometing> that's just me being verry bored [01:28] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: all present and correct here [01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ok tahnks thoreauputic [01:29] <Hawkeye> exactly, there's a distro for every user: if you want fast updating systems, get gentoo or sid, if you want something stable with good, long support, get ubuntu warty/hoary. Up until today :/ [01:29] <nothingsometing> the last time i asked that in here i got bitched at by someone [01:29] <nothingsometing> haha [01:30] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: dpkg -S glxdears >> xbase-clients package [01:30] <thoreauputic> *glxgears [01:31] <bmonnens> m/f can also mean motherf****er [01:31] <liraz> why is it that ubuntu is unable to maintain compatibility with debian? [01:31] <thoreauputic> glxdears is the one for Aunt Tilly *g* [01:31] <liraz> have the developers purposely chosen to stray, i.e packages in ubuntu dont mean they will work in debian [01:31] <nothingsometing> bmonnens i guess so [01:31] <thoreauputic> liraz: ubuntu freezes every 6months [01:31] <nothingsometing> bmonnens [01:32] <nothingsometing> we still can't quite figure it out [01:32] <thoreauputic> liraz: sarge therefore is ahead of hoary in some areas [01:32] <nothingsometing> it's puzeling the both of us [01:32] <mpmc> maybe they want to make sure it will work correct with the way they have designed it [01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic: not found... i didnt find it with locate either [01:32] <mpmc> !info green [01:32] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: install xbase-clients [01:32] <mpmc> !info mp3123 [01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic: it is installed. that's what's confusing me [01:33] <mpmc> !info mp123 [01:33] <theine> thoreauputic, but ubuntu freezes sid, not sarge, doesn't it? [01:33] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: oh I see [01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> theine: yes [01:33] <liraz> thoreauputic, right. but it's the same basic underlying style/structuring of a distro... so learning ubuntu would help me administer a debian system [01:33] <liraz> ? [01:33] <thoreauputic> theine: yes, but they are still out of synch [01:33] <mpmc> Ubuntu Rox0rs [01:33] <theine> liraz, definately [01:33] <Hawkeye> hmm, how can you find out what repository a package originated from ? [01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-cache show [01:34] <thoreauputic> liraz: ubuntu is almost identical under the hood , yes [01:34] <theine> thoreauputic, fair enough [01:34] <ubuntu> how can i get my files from my hardisks? [01:34] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: apt-cache policy <package> [01:34] <Hawkeye> by parsing the Filename path ? i.e. "main" is the main branch, universe would show "univers" ? [01:34] <mpmc> Ubuntu has better support :P [01:34] <larf> hallo [01:34] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: see above [01:34] <mpmc> 8-) [01:34] <nothingsometing> hi [01:34] <Hawkeye> thoreauputic: thank you, didn't know that one yet [01:35] <thoreauputic> :) np [01:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi larf [01:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ubuntu that question was not very helpfull [01:35] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: try really hard to be even more vague ;-) [01:36] <liraz> In linux, firefox seems to run very slowly on many javascript pages. + many plugins/extentions seem to bring it down/slow it [01:36] <ubuntu> someone speak spnish? i dont speak english [01:36] <thoreauputic> ah [01:36] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36361&highlight=computer+adding+entries [01:36] <MartenH> How do I change the ubuntu splash-screen? [01:36] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: /join #ubuntu-es [01:36] <Random_Sindrom> yo ubuntu [01:36] <Random_Sindrom> pero abre ubuntu_es [01:36] <thoreauputic> Random_Sindrom: #ubuntu-es methinks [01:36] <Firetech> Why does /sys/block/sda/removable say 0 when /etc/udev/scripts/removable.sh say 1? I want to be able to pmount my external USB drive... [01:36] <ubuntu> hum, necesito acceder a mis archivos, este es un ubuntu live [01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> MartenH: which splash screen? [01:36] <thoreauputic> not ubuntu_es [01:37] <MartenH> Kamping_Kaiser: The one shown while logging in (not the loginscreen but the one shown while the desktop is loading) [01:37] <ubuntu> not ubuntu_es [01:37] <Random_Sindrom> finger fails [01:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> MartenH: not sure [01:38] <MartenH> Kamping_Kaiser: ok. I'm trying to design a "common" look for all of the GUI and the splashscreen kind of throws it of [01:38] <ubuntu> chau me salgo de esto... [01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> MartenH: there's an Ubuntu artwork project, they can probably tell you where everything is [01:39] <MartenH> ok, ty [01:39] <mpmc> Is there another GUI such as gnome? [01:40] <sJaM> hehe [01:40] <sJaM> yes [01:40] <sJaM> dozens of them mpmc [01:40] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, find what you were looking for in there? [01:40] <mpmc> not kubuntu [01:40] <sJaM> Fluxbox [01:40] <mpmc> anything else? [01:40] <sJaM> Openbox [01:40] <nothingsometing> bmonnes that is like my problem [01:40] <sJaM> XFCE [01:40] <nothingsometing> acept [01:40] <sJaM> Blackbox [01:40] <mpmc> somethings thats nice [01:40] <sJaM> IceWM [01:40] <theine> FVWM [01:40] <Arnia> ROX, Enlightenment [01:41] <sJaM> WindowMaker [01:41] <thoreauputic> mpmc: http://xwinman.org [01:41] <nothingsometing> it's not in the /mnt or /media flder [01:41] <sJaM> gnome is a Desktop Environment just like kde and XFCE [01:41] <davro> fluxbox with tabbed applications is nice! [01:41] <nothingsometing> i'm an idiot [01:41] <nothingsometing> it is there [01:41] <nothingsometing> hahaha [01:41] <nothingsometing> soooo [01:41] <sJaM> the others are just windows managers [01:42] <sJaM> so they only provide the managing of windows [01:42] <sJaM> quite easy [01:42] <mpmc> I want something like gnome.. [01:42] <mpmc> but different.. [01:42] <sJaM> you have KDE and XFCE [01:42] <deFrysk> knome [01:42] <deFrysk> ;p [01:42] <azik> change the theme [01:42] <housetier> rox [01:42] <azik> =) [01:42] <sJaM> indeed [01:42] <sJaM> change the theme [01:43] <mpmc> KDE... doesn't have ESD support [01:43] <thoreauputic> mpmc: xfce4 is fairly gnome-ish (uses gtk+ a lot) [01:43] <thoreauputic> mpmc: heh that's not a bug - it's a feature [01:43] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, so you're problem solved? [01:43] <liraz> This problem I'm having is not just unique to ubuntu. It is like this in fedora too, firefox is just way slower in linux then in windows(on many javascript pages). and the extentions also just slow it. Is no-one else having this problem?? [01:43] <thoreauputic> mpmc: the KDE sound daemon is artsd [01:43] <sJaM> try Opera liraz [01:43] <Neon|idle> it works [01:44] <Neon|idle> hazaa [01:44] <Neon|idle> finally online with linux [01:44] <sJaM> I also have the problem [01:44] <Random_Sindrom> how do I install another GUI (s)? [01:44] <Random_Sindrom> just run apt-get? [01:44] <thoreauputic> Random_Sindrom: yup [01:44] <mpmc> xfce4 has no ubuntu package! [01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> universe [01:44] <cafuego> !info xfce4 [01:44] <thoreauputic> mpmc: yes - it's in universe [01:44] <ubotu> xfce4: (The Xfce4 Desktop Environment), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 4.2.1.1-2ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB [01:45] <sJaM> Yes it has [01:45] <nothingsometing> umm [01:45] <thoreauputic> !repos [01:45] <mpmc> ok [01:45] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [01:45] <liraz> sJaM, I dont like the fact it's not free + adverts [01:45] <thoreauputic> mpmc: see above [01:45] <azik> Random_Sindrom, apt-cache search window-manager =), then, apt-get it :) [01:45] <Random_Sindrom> ok [01:45] <mpmc> found it! [01:46] <jean> where am I ? [01:46] <mpmc> jean: Ubuntu IRC [01:46] <thoreauputic> jean: lost in cyberspace ;) [01:47] <jean> what are we doing here ? [01:47] <mpmc> lol [01:47] <mpmc> chatting [01:47] <sJaM> you could also try lynx links, links2 mpc [01:47] <sJaM> sorry [01:47] <Random_Sindrom> jean: living' geeks [01:47] <sJaM> you could also try lynx links, links2 liraz [01:47] <thoreauputic> jean: your second name is Sartre? *grin* [01:47] <deFrysk> peaul [01:47] <jean> i thought I would land in a french irc... [01:47] <deFrysk> paul [01:47] <bimberi> nothingsometing: Try a line like this in fstab... [01:47] <thoreauputic> jean: /join #ubuntu-fr [01:47] <sJaM> #ubuntu-re [01:47] <bimberi> nothingsometing: /dev/hdb1 /mnt/storage ext3 defaults,user 0 0 [01:48] <sJaM> #ubuntu-fr [01:48] <jean> how can i ? [01:48] <deFrysk> /j #ubuntu-fr [01:48] <nothingsometing> ok [01:48] <thoreauputic> jean: type /join #ubuntu-fr [01:48] <sJaM> /join #ubuntu-fr [01:48] <jean> thanks [01:49] <Jugan> i have a question...is there an app for ubuntu that will allow me to create flash animations like macromedia flash? [01:50] <cafuego> Jugan: None that I've heard of. [01:50] <cafuego> That, admittedly, isn't saying much. [01:50] <sJaM> perhaps by using wine (windows emulator) [01:51] <andy_> i heard you can use mm flash trough wine indeed [01:52] <Jugan> yeah but i didnt want to use wine [01:52] <nothingsometing> that didn't work [01:52] <mpmc> XFCE Is nice but I dont like the bar being at the top [01:52] <Jugan> im sure there could be one...like there's gimp instead of photoshop [01:52] <sJaM> well that you can alter also in gnome mpmc [01:52] <nothingsometing> i'm sorry, really [01:52] <Jugan> what's XFCE [01:52] <thoreauputic> Jugan: unfortunately flash is non-free, so ... [01:52] <sJaM> oh you can alter it also in xfce mpmc [01:52] <nothingsometing> i even tryed doing this /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart [01:52] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, so you altered your fstab and rebooted? [01:52] <thoreauputic> Jugan: a desktop environment [01:52] <nothingsometing> rebooted [01:52] <nothingsometing> no [01:53] <sJaM> altering fstab doesn't need a reboot bmonnens [01:53] <nothingsometing> unmounted and then mounted the drive .....yes [01:53] <bimberi> hm - no need to reboot [01:53] <bmonnens> thnx sJaM didn't know that [01:53] <sJaM> mount and umount just read at the moment of execution your fstab file [01:53] <andy_> umount -a and then mount -a [01:53] <nothingsometing> i thought you never had to reboot ubuntu [01:54] <sJaM> only if you want to run a different kernel [01:54] <thoreauputic> bmonnens: broadly speaking, only new kernels and updates to glibc need a reboot [01:54] <selinium> Hi all, I have tried to reinstall a LAMP system on my machine but it seems to be retaining the previous configuration. How can I make sure it doesn't! :) [01:54] <selinium> hi thoreauputic! [01:54] <thoreauputic> selinium: evenin' [01:54] <sJaM> sudo apt-get --purge remove packagename selinium [01:55] <sJaM> or in Synamptic Total removal [01:55] <andy_> evenin? where are you from? here in BE it's 2 pm [01:55] <nothingsometing> won't let me umount -a [01:55] <bmonnens> ah k, read the man page, didn't know that :) [01:55] <thoreauputic> andy_: .au [01:55] <Earered> Jugan, here is one free software to do flash (in french though): http://www.phildes.com/ [01:55] <thoreauputic> Thu Jul 28 21:55:25 EST 2005 [01:55] <andy_> :) [01:55] <nothingsometing> says it's doing something [01:56] <selinium> sJaM: is that the same as Synaptic, i used the mark for complet removal, and it still retained the problem config. [01:56] <andy_> u can only umount if the partition isn't in use [01:56] <sJaM> yes I thought so selinium [01:56] <nothingsometing> i can umount [01:56] <andy_> no filemanager and so [01:56] <nothingsometing> but i can't umount -a [01:56] <sJaM> but trying never hurts [01:56] <sJaM> and else you can manual delete the config files [01:56] <andy_> -a is umounting all partitions [01:57] <sJaM> they are all located in /etc [01:57] <andy_> or you shoud specify one [01:57] <sJaM> sudo rm -r /etc/apache [01:57] <Jugan> Earered: it's ok, i speak french [01:57] <Jugan> ahahahah [01:57] <sJaM> sudo rm -r /etc/apache /etc/mysql /etc/php4 [01:57] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, do you have a terminal open or filemanager open that's pointing somewhere in the storage dir? [01:57] <Seveas> sJaM, /etc/apache2 :) [01:58] <sJaM> yeah [01:58] <sJaM> sudo rm -r /etc/apache2 /etc/mysql /etc/php4 [01:58] <sJaM> provided that he uses apache 2 [01:58] <Earered> jugan, then, if this one isn't good for you, you can find others through this french website: http://www.framasoft.net/mot173.html [01:58] <sJaM> the php team still suggest apache 1 [01:58] <sJaM> ;) [01:58] <nothingsometing> ummm [01:59] <nothingsometing> both [01:59] <nothingsometing> ? [01:59] <nothingsometing> actually [02:00] <nothingsometing> i only open filemanager when i want to see if the drive is listed on computer [02:00] <nothingsometing> if it's not then i close the file manager [02:00] <bimberi> nothingsometing: paste fstab to #flood again [02:00] <nothingsometing> but yes i have a root terminal open [02:00] <nothingsometing> ok [02:01] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, and it is in the drive? [02:01] <mpmc> XCFE: not my cup of tea.. anymore? [02:01] <bmonnens> just goto / and try it then [02:01] <azik> icewm it's nice [02:02] <nothingsometing> is what in the drive [02:02] <sJaM> icewm is boring [02:02] <nothingsometing> terminal [02:02] <mpmc> yes it is :P [02:02] <thoreauputic> mpmc: go look at http://xwinman.org as I suggested [02:02] <azik> sJaM, is simple, not boring .. =) [02:02] <mpmc> ok lol [02:02] <jowi> hi all [02:02] <thoreauputic> mpmc: lots of other WMs there [02:03] <nothingsometing> root@LittleWhiteBox:~ # [02:03] <mpmc> CDE is nasty! [02:03] <nothingsometing> that's what i'm ni [02:03] <sJaM> well it is just like metacity [02:03] <nothingsometing> in* [02:03] <sJaM> boring [02:03] <andy_> just close anything that has any kind of connection with the partition you try to umount [02:04] <bmonnens> paste the output of umount -a in flood [02:04] <andy_> media players, terminals... all [02:04] <nothingsometing> you talking to me right [02:04] <thoreauputic> mpmc: CDE is kind of ancient history [02:04] <rob^> CDE is UGLY [02:04] <mpmc> I noticed... I'll give fluxbox a go... [02:04] <thoreauputic> rob^: indeed :) [02:04] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, yes [02:04] <nothingsometing> is there more than one person doing something with mounting [02:04] <nothingsometing> ooh [02:04] <nothingsometing> ok [02:05] <nothingsometing> do i need to close fstab [02:05] <Renski> On ubuntu rm doesnt ask wether not you are sure you want to delete file x, and seems to add the -f switch for you. How can I turn it off? [02:05] <bimberi> nothingsometing: fstab looks good - an entry like that works for me - I'm stumped sorry [02:05] <azik> sJaM, try enlightenment [02:05] <matthieu_> i [02:05] <sJaM> naah [02:05] <sJaM> gnome suits me [02:05] <sJaM> no need for advanced slick wm's [02:05] <Seveas> sJaM, the why do you use gnome :) [02:05] <Seveas> it's advanced and slick too ;) [02:06] <sJaM> haha [02:06] <matthieu_> does anyone help me to install Nv driver plz [02:06] <sJaM> but not the wm [02:06] <jowi> mpmc, if you want something minimalistic i would recommend windowlab http://www.nickgravgaard.com/windowlab/ [02:06] <rob^> hey, I gotta do a slide show on Ubuntu using OOo, anyone know where I can get a Ubuntu-flavoured template for OOo Presentation? [02:06] <Seveas> Renski, alias rm ='rm -i' [02:06] <mpmc> what about XPDE :P [02:06] <Seveas> put that line in ~/.bashrc [02:06] <Seveas> mpmc, XPDE is crap [02:06] <matthieu_> does anyone help me to install Nv driver plz [02:07] <Seveas> matthieu_: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto [02:07] <mpmc> ok.. I'll take your word for it [02:07] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, what does umount -a say? [02:07] <matthieu_> ok thks [02:07] <nothingsometing> says it's busy [02:07] <thoreauputic> Renski: other distros use the rm -i alias sometimes (mandriva for instance) [02:07] <Renski> ah, so thats default [02:07] <nothingsometing> root@LittleWhiteBox:~ # umount -a [02:07] <nothingsometing> umount: /dev: device is busy [02:07] <nothingsometing> umount: /: device is busy [02:08] <thoreauputic> Renski: standard rm is default - yes (no questions >> clobber ) ;-0 [02:08] <nothingsometing> but i can do just umount fine [02:09] <nothingsometing> ooh dam that's weird [02:09] <nothingsometing> i'm not even going to say it [02:09] <nothingsometing> it's just too weird [02:10] <bmonnens> ? [02:10] <mpmc> Fluxbox is a bit erm... empty... [02:10] <mpmc> whats that site again? [02:10] <nothingsometing> bmonnens ........go to flood [02:10] <nothingsometing> pls [02:11] <nothingsometing> can you explain this [02:11] <nothingsometing> it's tooooo weird [02:11] <thoreauputic> mpmc: http://xwinman.org ? [02:11] <mpmc> thx [02:11] <Random_Sindrom> enlighment looks fine...any odds? [02:12] <nothingsometing> that's what i did in terminal [02:12] <nothingsometing> with umount -a [02:12] <azik> it's there something like "minimize to tray" in gnome? [02:13] <Burgundavia> azik, depends on the application [02:13] <Burgundavia> azik, just like in windows [02:13] <nothingsometing> i belive all computers are posessed and that i am an excorsist [02:13] <Sionide> anyone know a way of getting ubuntu to run on a 486? [02:13] <nothingsometing> hahaha [02:13] <mjr> Sionide, it doesn't? [02:13] <Sionide> azik, google for alltray [02:13] <Sionide> well, i'm not trying myself - but i know a guy who is [02:14] <sJaM> use debian Sionide [02:14] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, in flood is manual entry for mount -a [02:14] <sJaM> or DSL (Damn Small Linux) [02:14] <bmonnens> I think if you specify the -a it just does the whole fstab [02:14] <Sionide> dsl he has tried [02:14] <bmonnens> not sure though [02:14] <Sionide> he's using a floppy disk distro [02:14] <Burgundavia> sJaM, debian is just as small/large [02:14] <Sionide> 2mb big [02:14] <Sionide> heh [02:14] <sJaM> debian doesn't install X by default [02:14] <mpmc> well.. I'll stay with gnome.. [02:14] <azik> is there any like a pluging? [02:15] <sJaM> hmm [02:15] <Burgundavia> Sionide, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LowMemorySystems [02:15] <sJaM> you can do that with ubuntu too [02:15] <sJaM> server [02:15] <Burgundavia> sJaM, server install [02:15] <sJaM> hehe [02:15] <sJaM> I was first [02:15] <bmonnens> try it without the -a [02:15] <Sionide> thanks Burgundavia i'll let him know [02:15] <Burgundavia> Sionide, np [02:15] <Burgundavia> Sionide, there is a coming ubuntu-lite as well [02:15] <azik> aps, Sionide i'm wathching alltray, thanks [02:15] <Sionide> alltray is good [02:16] <Sionide> oh nice Burgundavia, link on that? or the plans for it? [02:17] <Burgundavia> Sionide, is an Ubuntu Google SoC project [02:17] <Sionide> ah cool [02:17] <Sionide> a very good idea [02:18] <Sionide> is it gonna have xfce or something? [02:18] <Burgundavia> no, icewm I think [02:18] <Burgundavia> just a sec [02:18] <Burgundavia> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LightweightDesktop [02:18] <Sionide> ah nice thanks:) [02:19] <nothingsometing> bmonnens what were you saying in flood [02:19] <bmonnens> if you use the -a option with umount or mount it does the whole thing (except proc) [02:19] <shaun_> exchuese me how do i network to ubuntu computers to getther with out a routure [02:20] <shaun_> just a network cable between the two [02:20] <Sionide> shaun_, you need a "cross-over" cable [02:20] <lukus001> hey can somone tell me how i can install aineobt /program from a tar.gz that dont have a ./configure file? [02:20] <jowi> shaun_, i would make sure the network cable is cross-over [02:20] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, just do umount /dev/hdb1 [02:21] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, and then mount /dev/hdb1 [02:21] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, so not using the -a [02:21] <Subliminal> Seveas: you around? [02:21] <Seveas> Subliminal, some would say [02:21] <nothingsometing> i did [02:21] <Subliminal> kewl [02:22] <Sionide> lukus001, tar zxvf file.tar.gz [02:22] <nothingsometing> but someone told me to do it that way earlyer [02:22] <Subliminal> have you had a chance to look at the conf files for make-jpkg? [02:22] <Sionide> lukus001, make [02:22] <Sionide> lukus001, make install [02:22] <Sionide> just skip the ./configure bit ? [02:22] <mpmc> Don't you love linux :D [02:22] <Seveas> Subliminal, yeah, like like j2ee won't fit nicely into it [02:22] <lukus001> i cant make or make install it sint there [02:22] <jowi> shaun_, after you have a cross-over cable you should just need to give the computers good ip-addresses (like naming them 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2) so that they should be able to ping eachother [02:22] <Subliminal> Seveas: :-/ [02:23] <Seveas> Subliminal, it's way out of my capabilities at least [02:23] <shaun_> jowi: so if i use the comin cable that i use from my adsl modem to my networkcard it won't be crossover? [02:23] <lukus001> there a make file in the extracted folder "source" [02:23] <Subliminal> Seveas: ok, thanks for having a look [02:23] <jonnnn> is it possible to change text in menus e,g Applications--->office---openoffice.org workprocessor? [02:23] <jowi> shaun_, most likely not a cross-over. [02:23] <jonnnn> I want to change the last entry openoffice.org with something like "Word" etc [02:23] <nothingsometing> bmonnens i did that [02:23] <nothingsometing> that's what i was toing at first [02:23] <nothingsometing> doing [02:23] <Subliminal> Seveas: is make-jpkg a debian thing too? [02:24] <jowi> shaun_, most dsl-modems ship with standard network cables. the only way to know is to give a call to where you got the modem from. [02:24] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, sorry out of ideas [02:24] <shaun_> jowi, ok i think ive found a crossover cable what do i do? [02:24] <nothingsometing> my only problem currently is that i cannnot get my drive to pop up aong with my other drives souch as cd floppy and filesystem [02:24] <shaun_> plug it then ... asin static ips? [02:25] <skalpel> how can i change the position of my trashcan icon in gnome? [02:25] <nothingsometing> but if i go to where i know the folder is it is there and mounted and ready to use [02:25] <Seveas> Subliminal, yep [02:25] <skalpel> nevermind, i got it [02:25] <jowi> shaun_, yep. static ip. pc1: 192.168.0.1 pc2:192.168.0.2 [02:25] <jonnnn> skalpel, any idea pls ? :) [02:25] <shaun_> :) [02:25] <Subliminal> Seveas: i'll try and convice someone thats it's a worthy cause [02:25] <skalpel> jonnn: i think there is an app called smeg menu editor that will let you do that [02:25] <skalpel> though there may also be an easier way too [02:25] <shaun_> jowi: what about mask and gateway? [02:26] <jowi> shaun_, mask: 255.255.255.0. no gateway needed [02:26] <jean> join /ubuntu.fr [02:27] <jonnnn> skalpel, other way out, coz i cn't find smeg :) [02:27] <thoreauputic> jean: #ubuntu-fr [02:27] <thoreauputic> note # [02:27] <jean> join #ubuntu.fr [02:27] <thoreauputic> jean /join #ubuntu-fr [02:27] <thoreauputic> :) [02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. looks like internodes mirrors are a bit behind [02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> 194mb behind [02:28] <skalpel> jonnn: my friend that is the only advice i can give you. did you search google for 'smeg menu editor' ? i know i found it and installed it easilly [02:30] <Seveas> !smeg [02:30] <ubotu> from memory, smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports. [02:30] <jonnnn> skalpel, so nice of you mate :) [02:30] <skalpel> you are welcome [02:30] <skalpel> <3 [02:34] <h08817> ok a little question [02:34] <david> hello! [02:35] <h08817> can anyone tell me why my ubuntu install likes to hangout on 75% for a long time? [02:35] <david> i have a pinnacle pctv video card with the saa7134 chip on it [02:35] <h08817> its the part where it is installing the kernel [02:35] <david> i have put the modules but i can't see the tv, can anybody help me?? [02:35] <h08817> it has been on it for 7 hours so i just restarted it just in case it was frozen [02:35] <h08817> and it is there right now [02:36] <azik> Sionide, alltray works well, thanks, i'm happy :) [02:36] <Sionide> azik, woohoo i helped someone :D no problem.. [02:37] <azik> ^_^ [02:37] <thoreauputic> h08817: sounds like bad media - have you checked the md5sum ? [02:37] <MartenH> h08817: My install didn't take 7 hours, that's for sure... must be something wrong [02:37] <h08817> i don't know why it is taking so long [02:37] <h08817> i know the cd is good it installed on other computers i have [02:38] <Random_Sindrom> h08817: it's a cd install? [02:38] <h08817> yes i burned it from this site [02:38] <h08817> how else would u install it? [02:38] <Random_Sindrom> from net [02:39] <Random_Sindrom> lan [02:39] <thoreauputic> h08817: direct network install is possible [02:39] <h08817> o ok [02:39] <h08817> well i am not going to have internet on this machine [02:39] <no_gatez_fan> h08817 what kind of pc was this never ending install attempt on? [02:40] <h08817> pos [02:40] <h08817> um.. [02:40] <no_gatez_fan> chipset etc [02:40] <h08817> a pentium intel [02:40] <h08817> it is probably too old for linux [02:40] <h08817> only 64MB of Ram (probably the problem) [02:40] <no_gatez_fan> not nesessarily [02:41] <Meldarion> is there finnish translation for ubuntu? i read so from somewhere but not sure about it [02:41] <macintosh2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=52565 [02:41] <nothingsometing> crap....... [02:41] <macintosh2> is this worth worrying about? [02:41] <nothingsometing> that worked [02:41] <no_gatez_fan> perhaps look for a hardware compatible list and a min. requirement, but 64 ram ought to be enough to run x [02:41] <nothingsometing> i can't belive it [02:42] <zerboxx> h08817: When you installed ubuntu, did you do a server install? [02:42] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, so now it works? [02:42] <nothingsometing> it worked [02:42] <nothingsometing> yeah [02:42] <bimberi> nothingsometing: what worked? a reboot? [02:42] <azik> alltray doesn't works with xchat, what's a shit, well, go to googling more... [02:42] <h08817> zerboxx: yes [02:42] <nothingsometing> yeah [02:42] <thoreauputic> h08817: the base install is possible with 64MB - are you trying yo install gnome? I suggest a server install followed by apt-get for other stuff (maybe xfce4 or icewm or flucbox) [02:42] <nothingsometing> weird huh [02:42] <thoreauputic> *fluxbox [02:42] <topyli> Meldarion: you can choose the language, there are no separate internationalized versions [02:42] <zerboxx> h08817: wow, and it still took 7 hours [02:42] <no_gatez_fan> right [02:42] <Meldarion> ok thanks. [02:42] <h08817> zerboxx: and if hasn't finished yet [02:42] <bimberi> nothingsometing: yep - wierd [02:42] <nothingsometing> but listen to this [02:43] <h08817> zerboxx: i stopped it and restarted it just in case it froze [02:43] <mjr> Meldarion, the install program has holes in translations though; the base gnome programs are in better shape [02:43] <h08817> i am going to let it go all day and see if there is any improvement [02:43] <Random_Sindrom> just in case... check if it is a x86 ubuntu dist... [02:43] <h08817> it sticks on the installing the kernel [02:43] <topyli> Meldarion: also, you can get funny system messages if you choose finnish for the console [02:43] <nothingsometing> there is a listed still outstanding bug where you restart and it's listed in computer then after 10 mins or soit just dissapeers [02:43] <h08817> it is a i386 hoary distribution [02:43] <no_gatez_fan> if you know the cd is ok, it might not like your hardware for some reason [02:44] <topyli> Meldarion: "ei voi kirjoittaa foo: ei tiedostoa tai hakemistoa lydy" :) [02:44] <nothingsometing> i hope that's not what is wrong with mine [02:44] <h08817> don't know what it would have a problem with [02:44] <no_gatez_fan> might look for an HCL [02:44] <Meldarion> ok, :p [02:44] <h08817> no_gatez_fan: what is a HCL? [02:44] <nothingsometing> because they haven't fixed it still [02:44] <bimberi> nothingsometing: got a url for that? [02:44] <no_gatez_fan> hcl harware compatibility list [02:44] <nothingsometing> ummm [02:44] <nothingsometing> ask bi [02:45] <h08817> o [02:45] <nothingsometing> that's who gave it to me [02:45] <nimra> Hello, typical Linux (and IRC) Newbie here, I want to get some thing cleared up for me, if you'd like to help please [02:45] <topyli> nimra: ask away [02:45] <thoreauputic> nimra: just ask - [02:45] <Random_Sindrom> nimra:go ahead [02:45] <h08817> well on another computer i have that has windows and linux on it and i was wondering how to install a driver for my netgear Wg111 usb for internet [02:45] <Random_Sindrom> hehehe [02:45] <MartenH> I'm running on a Dell latitude C800 with a touch pad and the cursor freezes for 10-15 seconds now and then for no apparent reason. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? [02:45] <nimra> ok, with Ubuntu, is there CD and DVD burning software? [02:45] <h08817> i use that to connect to my network then to get online [02:46] <bimberi> nothingsometing: bi? [02:46] <mpmc> nimra: yes.. [02:46] <bimberi> nimra: nautilus, gnomebaker, graveman or k3b [02:46] <no_gatez_fan> sounds like for some reason it is not lieing your chipset if it is chokeing on the kernel [02:46] <topyli> nimra: sure. the file manager has basic burning features [02:46] <nimra> can it burn commercial DVD's? [02:46] <nimra> Video DVDs [02:46] <thoreauputic> nimra: heh [02:46] <jonnnn> skalpel, thanks agian mesg worked :) [02:47] <topyli> nimra: no, you need to install more advanced software [02:47] <skalpel> jonnn: then i am very happy for you [02:47] <jonnnn> skalpel, hehe :) [02:47] <topyli> nimra: and get the copyright issues solved of course [02:47] <shaun_> srew that i give up [02:47] <mpmc> what the hell is Lynx? [02:47] <nimra> ok, I've used KNOPPIX, which is KDE, right? is Ubuntu very different? [02:48] <jowi> mpmc, a text based browser. like elinks [02:48] <mpmc> ok lol [02:48] <no_gatez_fan> lynx is a text based browser [02:48] <shaun_> i find ubuntus network config gui conflicts with /etc/init.d/networking restart [02:48] <shaun_> use one or the other in my opinion [02:48] <anacron> nimra: you can have kde in your ubuntu [02:48] <thoreauputic> mpmc: high geek points for ysing lynx ;-) [02:48] <shaun_> (unforutnatley [02:48] <shaun_> another night [02:48] <thoreauputic> *using [02:49] <shaun_> thanks all [02:49] <shaun_> bye [02:49] <jowi> shaun_, maybe you are... oh [02:49] <nothingsometing> yea [02:49] <nothingsometing> tht's you [02:49] <eyequeue> lynx (1) - a general purpose distributed information browser for the World Wide Web [02:49] <nothingsometing> your bi [02:49] <nothingsometing> sorry [02:49] <nothingsometing> i mean [02:49] <nothingsometing> i don't know if your bi [02:49] <nothingsometing> really [02:49] <nothingsometing> but that's just easyer to type [02:50] <nimra> and I'm scared that linux won't detect my soundcard, my PC is a Medion PC and when I loaded KNOPPIX live, it didn't detect any sound [02:50] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: heh - general purpose apparently doesn't include pictures ;) [02:50] <topyli> nimra: that's a bad sign [02:50] <eyequeue> lynx (+zgv/fbi) works fine for that :) [02:50] <nothingsometing> bimberi what was that web page you gave me b4 [02:50] <nothingsometing> ibimberi i rebooted [02:51] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: ah - with those additions :) [02:51] <topyli> nimra: in knoppix, you can use lspci to see what chip your card has [02:51] <nimra> and how would I use lspci? [02:52] <thoreauputic> nimra: you just type it in a terminal :) [02:52] <eyequeue> thoreauputic: i figure, if a box will be used for pictures, i'd have those on it already :) [02:52] <nothingsometing> how do i make konqueror my default file browser [02:52] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: you win ! heheh [02:53] <nothingsometing> yeah i know [02:53] <eyequeue> thoreauputic: ;) [02:53] <nothingsometing> sorry [02:54] <nimra> and I've heard of a program which can run PC games (win), do you know if I could play games like Sims2 through Linux? [02:54] <Random_Sindrom> wine? [02:55] <thoreauputic> nimra: you probably mean cedega - but it costs money [02:55] <topyli> nimra: lspci is a command, just type it into a terminal :) [02:56] <bimberi> nothingsometing: Only url I've posted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently [02:56] <nothingsometing> that's it [02:56] <nothingsometing> bimberi i rebooted and now it's there [02:56] <nimra> thanks so much, you've been tons of help, if you don't mind I'll ask a few more questions? [02:56] <nothingsometing> hahaha [02:57] <nothingsometing> sounds lik i have that problem on that fourm [02:57] <nothingsometing> and on the fourm they didn't fix that problem [02:57] <thoreauputic> nimra: that's what we're here for - fire away [02:57] <mfw> i really like ubunutu, just installed and already running without problems on my notebook [02:57] <nimra> is there some kind of replacement for VisualBasic? [02:58] <thoreauputic> mfw: welcome to freedom ;) [02:58] <nothingsometing> that's not the one [02:58] <bimberi> nothingsometing: erm, that wasn't anything to do with your issue [02:58] <thoreauputic> nimra: erm - not really but there are lots of good languages [02:58] <sexcopter8000m> are there facilities equivalent to defrag and scanning for errors in windows? [02:58] <nothingsometing> bimberi it was the web page you found about the mounting drives [02:58] <bimberi> nothingsometing: unless you were previously connected as "gepp" [02:58] <andy_> not needed in ubuntu :d [02:58] <mfw> Yeah, Im happy that I found Ubunut, thats just what I always wanted [02:58] <bimberi> *geppy [02:58] <andy_> linux doesnt fragment [02:58] <thoreauputic> nimra: VB is kinda MS restricted [02:59] <sexcopter8000m> oh, cool [02:59] <andy_> you bet ;) [02:59] <sexcopter8000m> begs the question, why does it fragment in windows? [02:59] <nothingsometing> restarting the computer then 10 mins later it would dissapeer from che "computer" folder [02:59] <thoreauputic> sexcopter8000m: bad design [02:59] <sexcopter8000m> besides, isn't it more dependent on the filesystem rather than the os? [02:59] <andy_> because they use a totally other way of filesystem management [03:00] <topyli> sexcopter8000m: ext2 fragments too, but it's not a problem [03:00] <thoreauputic> sexcopter8000m: yes - linux filesystems are better [03:00] <nimra> and if I have ubuntu installed aswell as windows, how does it boot? [03:00] <sexcopter8000m> well i have a vfat partition, what about that? [03:00] <mfw> Any ideas what software you should have installed on ubunut anyway? i updated all my things with synaptic from the universe.. [03:00] <andy_> by booting you get the choice [03:00] <andy_> if you installed win first that is [03:00] <sexcopter8000m> i guess i could defrag in windows if need be... [03:00] <thoreauputic> nimra: with grub in the MBR you have dual boot [03:00] <topyli> nimra: ubuntu installs a boot loader which gives you a choise at boot time [03:00] <sJaM> but you can also use the ntldr to dualboot [03:01] <nothingsometing> bimberi is there any way i can get conqueror to be my default file browser [03:01] <FLD> hey where was ati help? [03:01] <topyli> sexcopter8000m: you should defrag that from windows [03:01] <FLD> need to get my ati work [03:01] <bimberi> nothingsometing: sorry - can't help with that one [03:01] <nimra> and can i make it so it just shows for like a few seconds and if I dont do anything it boots to windows? [03:01] <mfw> @nothingsometing : no you need the qt libraries and thats a bad idea [03:01] <andy_> yes [03:01] <thoreauputic> you can [03:01] <sexcopter8000m> that reminds me of another thing... i'm gonna need to start anew with windows - it's a mess. can anyone confirm/quash my gut feeling that installing windows from a clean partition will screw up ubuntu? [03:02] <andy_> you must edit (gedit) the file: [03:02] <andy_> eum [03:02] <andy_> /boot/grub/menu.lst i believe [03:02] <thoreauputic> sexcopter8000m: windows will rewrite the MBR - fixable but not trivial [03:02] <andy_> standart it will boot linux after 5 secs but u can change the order [03:02] <Earered> sexcopter8000m, it depends, windows will erase the MBR [03:02] <sexcopter8000m> and there's no option to stop it doing that? [03:03] <sJaM> no sexcopter8000m [03:03] <FLD> damn i dont find that [03:03] <thoreauputic> sexcopter8000m: windows is braindead [03:03] <sexcopter8000m> arse. ok, are there any howto's on this? [03:03] <sJaM> but you can boot linux from windows [03:03] <sexcopter8000m> i guess it comes up quite a lot [03:03] <FLD> where is that ati radeon + ubuntu help? [03:03] <topyli> sexcopter8000m: in short: boot from a live cd, chroot to your linux root, run grub-install [03:04] <Burgundavia> sexcopter8000m, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [03:04] <brosio> ehy the version of kopete in warty is altredy patched ? [03:04] <brosio> i read an advisor for kopete [03:04] <sexcopter8000m> FLD https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ? [03:04] <brosio> http://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20050721-1.txt [03:04] <chorton> Is there any program yall would reccomend for video editing? [03:04] <Riddell> brosio: that advisory doesn't affect kubuntu because we use an external libgadu [03:04] <sJaM> linux has a shortage there chorton [03:05] <topyli> chorton: kino perhaps [03:05] <topyli> chorton: cinelerra for pro stuff [03:05] <jea> yes kino is great programm [03:05] <chorton> Yeah, I'm just looking for the basics. [03:06] <chorton> Lemme see. [03:06] <sexcopter8000m> excellent, thanks guys [03:06] <topyli> how do you scroll up in irssi? [03:06] <apokryphos> topyli: page-up [03:06] <Earered> sexcopter, another solution, without too much command line, is to use a boot loader on its own partition (like GAG: http://gag.sourceforge.net/) and to have GRUB on the main linux partition. That way, windows can rewrite as much as he wants the MBR, you just need to insert the GAG CD or floppy for restoration and you are done [03:06] <topyli> apokryphos: of course. damn :) [03:06] <nothingsometing> mfw what are you talking about??? [03:06] <sJaM> smart boot manager [03:06] <nimra> is everything alright with ubuntu and NTFS partitions? [03:07] <brosio> Riddell, sure ? [03:07] <brosio> i see that i have kopete 0.10 [03:07] <thoreauputic> nimra: ntfs is read-only from linux [03:07] <andy_> you can't mount ntfs partitions writable [03:07] <thoreauputic> nimra: blame MS for not releasing specs [03:07] <jea> is there someone who know the streaming with vlc [03:07] <andy_> fat partitions can [03:07] <reyn> libyaml-ruby1.8: Depends: libiconv-ruby1.8 but it is not going to be installed ... eh ? [03:07] <jea> i nedd help about streaming [03:08] <mfw> :nothingsometing i think you need the qt libraries to install konqueror [03:08] <andy_> it's your sources.list that is kinda not ok [03:08] <andy_> in /etc/apt [03:08] <andy_> start with apt-get update [03:08] <reyn> I'm using apt-proxy ... might be that [03:08] <jea> no one knows vlc [03:08] <ZibiKebir> what type of device is a wireless usb adapter classified as? [03:08] <topyli> mfw: i think konqueror needs most of kde actually [03:09] <jea> wlan on wireless adapter [03:09] <ZibiKebir> yh [03:09] <nothingsometing> .............now what was that mfw................. i need the what, and your sure that will make konqueror my default file browser [03:09] <Riddell> brosio: ldd /usr/bin/kopete | grep gadu [03:09] <jea> this is the ype of device [03:09] <brosio> Ubuntu has released updated packages to address multiple security vulnerabilities identified in KDE. These flaws are due to input validation and integer overflow errors in "lib/events.c" and "lib/libgadu.c", which could be exploited by attackers to crash a vulnerable application or compromise a vulnerable system. For additional information, see : FrSIRT/ADV-2005-1161 [03:09] <mfw> right, so I wouldnt install it, thats crappy [03:09] <nimra> so would the best way to install ubuntu is to divide my 250GB HDD in half and reinstall Windows on one part and Ubuntu on the other (FAT32?)? [03:09] <mfw> use firefox...! [03:10] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: making konq default in gnome is kind of - pushing s**t uphill IMO [03:10] <holycow> nimra, personally i recommend separate hd's, on removable trays [03:10] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: if you prefer konq you are better off with KDE [03:10] <holycow> safest way to work i think [03:10] <ZibiKebir> i used lsusb and it found it on bus 002 device 004 [03:10] <nothingsometing> DAMNIT but i lie it so much [03:10] <brosio> Riddell, ok [03:10] <brosio> thx [03:10] <ZibiKebir> whats the command to mount that [03:11] <nothingsometing> i have kde [03:11] <mfw> I can't get sound running in VLC! Somebody with ideas? [03:11] <topyli> nimra: divide your windows space into a small ntfs (system) and big fat32 (data) partitions, so linux and win can share the data [03:11] <nothingsometing> LMAO [03:11] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: then install kubuntu-desktop and use KDE :) [03:11] <mfw> I wouldnt [03:11] <jea> what is your probleme with vlc [03:11] <nothingsometing> i just happn to like ubuntu more but just not it's file browser [03:11] <mfw> No sound [03:11] <poningru> mfw: whats the prob? [03:11] <poningru> hmm [03:11] <jea> do you see your audio seting [03:11] <nothingsometing> it pisses me off actually [03:11] <poningru> nothingsometing: what dont you like in it? [03:11] <jea> essd or alsa [03:11] <paines> hi [03:12] <mfw> I installed the whole package, with alsa and so, but i get no sound [03:12] <poningru> nothingsometing: here try this [03:12] <nimra> thanks, and are there any linux programs for the iPod? [03:12] <topyli> nothingsometing: make it work so you will like it :) [03:12] <ethics> nothingsometing, try xfe ?? [03:12] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: do "apt-cache search file-browser" perhaps - I use rox here for example [03:12] <nothingsometing> every time i click somethng to opens another window and thre is no back button like i'm usto [03:12] <paines> i am experiencing problems with unrar and arj on ubuntu 64 bit version. anyone can confirm that ? both unpackers are not working at all [03:12] <jea> hwhen you prob the sound what is the results [03:12] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: ah - you can fix that [03:12] <nothingsometing> ok show me the way [03:12] <nothingsometing> lol [03:13] <mfw> sounds working perfectly but not in LVC [03:13] <topyli> nothingsometing: you can set it up to be like an old fashioned explorer-like file browser [03:13] <mfw> VLC [03:13] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: in prefs -behaviour - "open in browser windows" [03:13] <topyli> nothingsometing: or for individual folders, right click and choose "browse" [03:14] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: that will give you the traditional view with back arrows etc [03:14] <nothingsometing> ooh hell yeah [03:14] <nothingsometing> ok [03:15] <nothingsometing> you gota admit the default thing they give you is anoying [03:15] <topyli> nothingsometing: actually, i just have a shortcut icon for a traditional browser and use spatial for the desktop [03:15] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: there was a holy war about it ;) [03:15] <nothingsometing> so how did they loose that war ubuntu soposto be user friendly [03:15] <mfw> sounds not working, really crappy.... I works perfect with Totem and Mplayer.. [03:16] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: not so much ubuntu - it was a gnome thing [03:16] <nothingsometing> aaag [03:16] <nothingsometing> i see [03:16] <nothingsometing> i am imagneing blood shead [03:16] <nothingsometing> lol [03:16] <topyli> nothingsometing: actually, ubuntu broke the user-friendly gnome default spatial :) [03:16] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: much angry bandidth was wasted over it ;) [03:16] <thoreauputic> *bandwith [03:16] <nothingsometing> lol [03:17] <mfw> Somebody here with ideas? [03:17] <thoreauputic> mfw: no, no one here ever has any ideas [03:17] <thoreauputic> ;-) [03:17] <mfw> i see [03:17] <mfw> ;-) [03:18] <jonnnn> skalpel, heh me again :) [03:18] <quitte> in which package is /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.la? [03:18] <mfw> Maybe somebody had the same probs? [03:19] <jonnnn> skalpel, howto change the prefered mail clinet, for example if click on a file then select "send to.. " its gives me evolution by default [03:19] <thoreauputic> mfw: tip: when you have sound problems, suspect esd (enlightened sound daemon - so-called) [03:19] <CellarDoor> hi [03:19] <nothingsometing> can i make them always view as a" list " somewhere inthose options [03:20] <CellarDoor> I'm trying to help someone with an iburst wireless usb modem with ubuntu, can anyone help us get this working ? [03:20] <thoreauputic> you can - disable the icon view [03:20] <andy_> anybody with a ibm thinkpad 600 on linux, with working sound? [03:21] <nothingsometing> ok i have one more problem [03:21] <nothingsometing> .... [03:21] <nothingsometing> um [03:21] <CellarDoor> I've never used a usb modem, let alone an iburst wireless, apparently ubuntu isn't using it - can anyone help ? [03:22] <andy_> noooo :d [03:22] <thoreauputic> topyli: traitor! ;-) [03:22] <topyli> it's an interesting pastime :) [03:22] <nothingsometing> i need to update my repositories so i can get mplayer from apt-get and someone was telling me how to do that earlyer and i couldn't [03:22] <CellarDoor> evil [03:22] <andy_> windows is a game [03:22] <nothingsometing> can someone tell me how to do that again [03:22] <topyli> putty to the rescue =) [03:22] <CellarDoor> so... no one can help ? [03:22] <poningru> !repositories [03:22] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos [03:22] <andy_> at ubuntuguide.org u find goor repositories [03:23] <andy_> good [03:23] <poningru> nothingsometing: take a read [03:23] <Burgundavia> Andares, pleae don't recommend the ubuntuguide [03:23] <nothingsometing> noooo [03:23] <nothingsometing> i know how to add reposotories [03:23] <Burgundavia> Andares, sorry, wrong person [03:23] <poningru> ? [03:23] <andy_> why not? works for me [03:23] <Burgundavia> !ubuntuguide [03:23] <ubotu> I guess ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why. [03:23] <topyli> thoreauputic: full screen putty, screen on uni's Sun box and its ok [03:23] <nothingsometing> this person was talking about useing forbidden ones [03:23] <nothingsometing> or [03:23] <nothingsometing> special ones [03:23] <andy_> whatever [03:24] <deFrysk> so ubuntuguide is for specialist who do not need explanation ? [03:24] <ZibiKebir> does anybody know what the exact comman is mount a wireless usb adapter founf on Bus 002 Device 001 [03:24] <poningru> ubotu: tell nothingsomething about !repositories [03:24] <poningru> sigh [03:24] <andy_> yeah allright but just the repositories dude [03:24] <poningru> ubotu: tell nothingsomething about !repo [03:24] <poningru> ubotu: tell nothingsomething about !repos [03:24] <Burgundavia> deFrysk, the ubuntuguide is for those who already know what theya re doing [03:24] <poningru> gaaah [03:24] <nothingsometing> i know about them [03:24] <nothingsometing> sortof [03:24] <nothingsometing> i've added them [03:24] <Burgundavia> andy_, the wiki has a perfectly sane way of getting the repos [03:24] <nothingsometing> i've uses them [03:25] <andy_> its just some text that you copy and paste into the file [03:25] <nothingsometing> but in need to get mplayer [03:25] <poningru> nothingsometing: what have you added? [03:25] <poningru> becasue mplayer is in there iirc [03:25] <skalpel> sup jonnnn [03:25] <nothingsometing> i need the codecs and stuff for mplayer [03:25] <skalpel> =) [03:25] <jonnnn> skalpel, busy? ;) [03:26] <skalpel> jonnnn: not really, just chatting on efnet and having some coffee. what is up? [03:26] <jonnnn> skalpel, howto change the prefered mail clinet, for example if click on a file then select "send to.. " its gives me evolution by default [03:26] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: in hoary extras - I would comment them out after you get the codecs, personally [03:26] <nothingsometing> i added them and then i took them away [03:26] <thoreauputic> !multimedia [03:26] <ubotu> I guess multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia [03:26] <topyli> skalpel: sounds pretty busy to me :) [03:26] <skalpel> jonnnn: go to system > preferences > preferred applications [03:26] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: wise move :) [03:26] <skalpel> jonnnn: and you will be able to set your preferred mail client [03:27] <nothingsometing> ok getting mplayer really isnt my problem [03:27] <skalpel> topyli: im a busybee haha [03:27] <jonnnn> skalpel, i do change in it but i duno still not working [03:27] <jonnnn> do i have to restart X ;) ? [03:27] <jonnnn> damn my keyboard sucks [03:27] <skalpel> i do not think so [03:27] <topyli> jonnnn: you shouldn't have to [03:27] <skalpel> you are trying to do this from irc, right? [03:27] <nothingsometing> when i play video with tothellm it jumps and skips and slows down [03:28] <nothingsometing> just fucks up basicly [03:28] <nothingsometing> and i recall someone telling me that totem was crap [03:28] <skalpel> jonnnn: you could try logging out and then back in though, and see if that changes anything. no harm in that, if you dont mind hopping off irc =) [03:28] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: try totem-xine [03:28] <nothingsometing> what's the diffrance [03:28] <nothingsometing> i mean [03:28] <nothingsometing> really [03:28] <Burgundavia> nothingsometing, different backend [03:28] <nothingsometing> oog [03:28] <jonnnn> skalpel, only one things i will miss you :) [03:28] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: the xine backend for totem works better atm [03:29] <Burgundavia> the issue is not totem, it is the gstreamer backend for movies [03:29] <jonnnn> brb [03:29] <thoreauputic> right [03:29] <nothingsometing> so do i need to uninstall totem or can i just install the other one over it or something [03:29] <Burgundavia> the next release of gstreamer should solve most of the issues (but it won't make breezy) [03:29] <skalpel> jonnnn: well i will miss you too bro but you can always come back and say hello =) [03:29] <Burgundavia> nothingsometing, just install totem-xine [03:29] <thoreauputic> just install it nothingsometing - apt will look after you [03:30] <nothingsometing> i'll use syap [03:30] <nothingsometing> synap [03:30] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: don't be alarmed if it wants to uninstall ubuntu-desktop - that's just a metapackage [03:30] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, it doesn't do that in hoary [03:30] <alex__> anyone have problem with 2.6.11 ? [03:30] <nothingsometing> :O [03:30] <nothingsometing> just [03:30] <alex__> mee crash many time [03:30] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: aha! thanks I didn't know that [03:31] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, ubuntu-desktop depends on totem which depends on either -xine or -gstreamer [03:31] <thoreauputic> alex__: 2.6.11 has major issues - use 2.6.10 [03:31] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: cool :) [03:31] <nothingsometing> damn i love synaptic [03:33] <nothingsometing> is it soposto look the EXACT same [03:33] <nothingsometing> or is it just me [03:33] <poningru> nothingsometing: yes [03:33] <nothingsometing> ? [03:34] <nothingsometing> ooh [03:34] <nothingsometing> ....then i installed it [03:34] <nothingsometing> lol [03:34] <poningru> nothingsometing: it will run better though [03:34] <nothingsometing> really [03:34] <nothingsometing> i'll see [03:34] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: totem is just the pretty face - -xine is the engine :) [03:34] <nothingsometing> muahaw haw haw [03:34] <poningru> kinda like take a ford escape and take its body and put it into a corolla or civic [03:34] <nothingsometing> oooh [03:34] <nothingsometing> ok [03:35] <poningru> put it on* [03:35] <CellarDoor> no wireless iburst experts here ? [03:37] <david> hello! [03:37] <david> i have a pinnacle pctv video card with the saa7134 chip on it [03:37] <david> i have put the modules but i can't see the tv, can anybody help me?? [03:38] <xliu> how to set the font size of gnome apps in kde? [03:42] <gpd> If I could stop realplayer from being sooo sloow in firefox i would wake up... [03:42] <duke> hi to all [03:42] <thoreauputic> hi duke :) [03:43] <thoreauputic> gpd: sometimes it helps to delete the *sw* plugins for realplayer (don't know why) [03:43] <duke> a little question: Is it possible to install ubuntu without gnome-desktop. But with all other sysapps allready configured [03:44] <thoreauputic> duke: kind of - you can do a "server" install then use apt to get other bits [03:44] <Burgundavia> duke, you can use the server install [03:44] <gpd> thoreauputic: you mean shockwave? [03:44] <str> what is the latest kernel version in ubuntu? [03:44] <Burgundavia> str, .10 in Hoary (stable) [03:45] <duke> i tried that with the server install, but then u have to install an configure cups and all the other stuff [03:45] <Burgundavia> str, .12 in Breezy (developmetn) [03:45] <str> thanks [03:45] <str> :) [03:45] <gpd> str: .11 is also available in hoary if you look [03:45] <thoreauputic> gpd: real has a couple of plugins with sw in them ( I guess they are supposed to do shockwave but I've never seen it work) [03:45] <str> how to have that .11? [03:45] <gpd> str: just search in synaptic [03:46] <str> i just updated mine it is only .10 [03:46] <str> in synaptic [03:46] <Burgundavia> str, .11 is available in hoary, but it is not supported [03:46] <str> alright [03:46] <thoreauputic> str: .11 is *not* recommended [03:46] <duke> does not exist an install-flag for which debs get installed? [03:47] <str> thanks people, ur very helpful and accomodating [03:47] <str> cheers! [03:48] <gpd> thoreauputic: removed those sw plugins, seems better, thanks! [03:48] <thoreauputic> gpd: i got that tip from the BBC site , of all places ;) [03:49] <MartenH> neat, my minolta worked right away on ubu :) [03:49] <moparfan90> i have 2 computers running ubuntu. i want to have them share files how do i do this? [03:49] <gpd> still crashes when you close the window (I'm using the bbc player ;) [03:50] <thoreauputic> moparfan90: there are several ways - I use NFS but you can use samba too [03:50] <mpmc> hi Bob2. :) [03:50] <Renski> how does apt-get work? how would I download, and compile gcc for instance? [03:50] <bob2> hi [03:50] <saku_0> yop [03:50] <thoreauputic> moparfan90: you can also do it with ssh/scp [03:51] <Burgundavia> Renski, I assume you are coming from gentoo. apt-get downloads the binary package and installs it [03:51] <thoreauputic> Renski: sudo apt-get install build-essential [03:51] <duke> apt-get install gcc [03:51] <zerboxx> I'm having a problem syncing my palm with ubuntu. I can set it up, but it seems that when I restart my computer I havee to re-setup my palm. Any ideas on why this is? [03:51] <thoreauputic> duke: no, build-essential [03:51] <duke> ok .. [03:51] <Burgundavia> duke, build-essential is gcc plus more useful things [03:51] <thoreauputic> duke: b-e has extra bits you need for compiling [03:51] <Renski> thanks Burgundavia [03:52] <Renski> ...why did I think ubuntu was source based? [03:52] <Burgundavia> Renski, no idea [03:52] <Burgundavia> Renski, because it was cool and new? [03:52] <Renski> a sourced based distro without gcc.... [03:52] <Renski> lol [03:52] <thoreauputic> duke: please, ask before starting a dcc chat or /msg ing [03:53] <thoreauputic> duke: what did you want to ask? [03:53] <moparfan90> i have file sharing on one of them but the other computer is not reading the files. what do i do? [03:53] <thoreauputic> duke: if about build-essential, try ' apt-cache show build-essential " [03:54] <DekaPink> G'morning, all~ :) [03:54] <duke> sorry, I want to use fluxbox on my laptop, and so i dont need to install the gnome-desktop. But I need the other confs, like X, Cups ... , What should I do? [03:54] <Renski> that works perfectly, can anyone point in the direction of a url with more infomation about apt-get? [03:54] <Renski> besides man apt-get [03:54] <TenPlus1> Hi folks... [03:54] <duke> hi tenPlus [03:54] <bob2> duke: install a default system [03:54] <thoreauputic> Renski: sudo apt-get install apt-howto :) [03:54] <CellarDoor> aww come on guys, nooobody knows about iburst modems with ubuntu ?? [03:54] <TenPlus1> hi duke [03:54] <bob2> duke: get rid of the bits yo udon't want [03:54] <bob2> duke: enjoy! [03:55] <bob2> CellarDoor: if someone knew, they would answer [03:55] <duke> bob2: sorry I dont understand [03:55] <CellarDoor> yeah I guess so [03:55] <bob2> CellarDoor: try asking on the ubuntu-user list, or on the slug list [03:55] <TenPlus1> Q.) is there a way to install Ubuntu on an already created fat32 partition ? [03:55] <bob2> TenPlus1: no [03:55] <bob2> ubuntu won't usefully run on fat32 [03:55] <tommorris> Hey all. [03:56] <Burgundavia> Renski, http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkgtools.en.html [03:56] <Renski> ty [03:56] <thoreauputic> duke: he's suggesting a standard install, then uninstall the bits you don't need [03:56] <Burgundavia> Renski, http://www.dpkg.org/ [03:56] <TenPlus1> bummer... [03:56] <tommorris> Can someone please come and seed kubuntu-5.04-dvd-powerpc.iso.torrent [03:56] <moparfan90> thoreauputic, i have both computer with file sharing on. and it is not seeing the files. whhat do i do? [03:56] <djp> !dma [03:56] <duke> u mean the packet ubuntu-desktop [03:56] <thoreauputic> moparfan90: you need to install samba methinks [03:56] <bob2> duke: I mean, do a default install, then remove whatever it is you don't want [03:56] <moparfan90> i have samba installed [03:56] <Kamzi> hi, i've just got the internet to wokr with linux using an external 56k modem and the speed seems a lot slower than in windows , any ideas ?? [03:57] <thoreauputic> moparfan90: at least on one machine as server... [03:57] <Scouse> Hi all [03:57] <thoreauputic> moparfan90: ah, sorry [03:57] <duke> bob2, u mean I should deinstall the deb ubuntu-desktop [03:58] <bob2> duke: if you really think you don't want it [03:58] <Riddell> tommorris: what's up with it? [03:58] <duke> and how would u do that? [03:58] <tommorris> stuck at 72.1%, Riddell. [03:58] <bob2> duke: using the package manager... [03:58] <duke> ok [03:58] <tommorris> I'm chucking it 300kbps, but I haven't got the whole file. [03:58] <duke> i will do so . bob [03:58] <duke> thx and greetings from Switzerland [03:59] <Manny_> hi [03:59] <Manny_> any chance that ubuntu hoary will be upgraded to GTK 2.6.8. It has a nice GTK+ file chooser fix [03:59] <ToRTuReD_X> erm [03:59] <mpmc> Where are we all from aye? [04:00] <mpmc> i'm from the UK :P [04:00] <ToRTuReD_X> how do i install java so i can view java files on the web? [04:00] <thor|pizza> !java [04:00] <ubotu> java is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added. [04:00] <TenPlus1> Does Ubuntu 5.04 have problems with wireless cards and ndiswrapper ?? [04:00] <CellarDoor> argh [04:01] <brosio> anyone that have ubuntu on amd64 can said me which version is on repository ? [04:01] <Goshawk> TenPlus1, not for me [04:01] <TenPlus1> Goshawk: what card u got ? [04:01] <TenPlus1> <-- Asus WL-138g (marvell chipset) [04:01] <Goshawk> TenPlus1, broadcom [04:01] <Goshawk> in an asus a6770klh [04:02] <Goshawk> TenPlus1, with 64 bit drivers [04:02] <mpmc> Asus are crappy [04:02] <TenPlus1> Goshawk: don't suppose you have a guide of how you installed it and set-it-up ?? [04:02] <Seveas> TenPlus1, dud you get that to work?!? [04:02] <Goshawk> TenPlus1, yep [04:02] <TenPlus1> kewl, you got a link :) [04:02] <Goshawk> TenPlus1, look at the ubuntuforums [04:02] <Goshawk> looking for ndiswrapper how to [04:02] <Discipulus> whatis firefox [04:02] <Discipulus> ubotu, tell me what firefox is [04:03] <Seveas> Discipulus, the default web browser in gnome [04:03] <TenPlus1> that's what I used... installed my .info driver ok and setup the card stuff and it stalled when connecting to my laptop [04:03] <mpmc> we had an asus.. we looked at the board after a month.. and it had warped! [04:03] <Goshawk> mpmc, what do you have? [04:03] <topyli> Seveas: epiphany is gnome default :) [04:03] <mpmc> Giga-byte. [04:03] <mpmc> not the best I know [04:04] <mpmc> but they are pretty neat.. [04:04] <chiisai> Err, what can actually happen if I add breezer to my repositories? snd-azx isn't included, so I have to use newer alsa packages only available for breezer, so.. [04:04] <thor|pizza> ubotu died? [04:04] <ubotu> thor|pizza: I give up, what is it? [04:04] <mpmc> !info help [04:04] <thor|pizza> hmm then why didn't the bot answer my /msg ? :/ [04:05] <topyli> chiisai: your system might break completely or similar little things [04:05] <kahuna_> I'm getting a Not Authenticated message in synaptic after upgrading to Hoary From Warty. I assume that I don't have the correct keys. Where and how can I get them [04:05] <thor|pizza> ah, nick change - got it [04:05] <chiisai> Yeah, I figured... well, *might*? [04:05] <gypsymauro> hello [04:05] <topyli> chiisai: or it might work just fine today and break tomorrow [04:05] <chiisai> I need to get my sound working somehow, so it seems like it's the only choice [04:05] <chiisai> :\ [04:06] <ToRTuReD_X> anyone got any ideas on installing limewire? [04:06] <kahuna_> Yup. [04:06] <gypsymauro> I'm tryin to connect remotely to an ubuntu gdm via xdmcp but when I login i get this error: Error activating XKB configuration. whata about this? [04:06] <|rockinnerd|> how do i get the kernel source? apt-get install kernel-source gives me a 2.4.x kernel, i want the 2.6.x [04:06] <kahuna_> Download the latest JRE, install it [04:06] <thoreauputic> umm.. what is HostingGeek up to?? [04:06] <enyc_> gypu: keyboard configuration.. wouldnt worry about it too much unelss you end up wiht a silly keybaord layout [04:06] <kahuna_> Then download the tarball of Limewire into /opt [04:06] <mpmc> Whats knoppix? [04:06] <ToRTuReD_X> ok [04:06] <|rockinnerd|> !knoppix [04:06] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, |rockinnerd| [04:06] <ToRTuReD_X> thanks [04:06] <kahuna_> Then symlink runlime.sh (or whatever they call it) to /usr/bin/limewire [04:06] <tommorris> bootable linux distro [04:07] <topyli> chiisai: if you're looking for a specific package, you can get the breezy source package and backport it [04:07] <ToRTuReD_X> i was told to use the JDK [04:07] <ToRTuReD_X> -_- [04:07] <kahuna_> you don't need the JDK [04:07] <kahuna_> unless you want to develop Java of course :) [04:07] <skalpel> does anyone know of a way to move the system tray in gnome? [04:07] <chiisai> topyli, alsa-driver-1.0.9b [04:07] <teferi> woo, linux-image-2.6.12-5 and STILL no linux-restricted-modules [04:07] <|rockinnerd|> wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [04:07] <gypsymauro> enyc_: what do u mean [04:07] <chiisai> topyli, Where can I get those? [04:07] <ToRTuReD_X> RPM? [04:07] <teferi> skalpel: it's just another applet, right-click on the handle, unlock it, and then just drag it around [04:07] <kahuna_> use the bin ToRTuReD_X. [04:07] <skalpel> thanks [04:07] <enyc_> gyps: I mean, using DirectFB interface instead of X11 interfacer [04:08] <ToRTuReD_X> kahuna_, both are bins [04:08] <kahuna_> Just follow the instructions on ubuntugiude.com [04:08] <ToRTuReD_X> now i have to do all this crap again [04:08] <kahuna_> Yes, but the self-installing executable ends in .bin [04:08] <topyli> chiisai: add breezy or debian unstable sources (deb-src) to sources.list [04:08] <skalpel> gnome is awesome [04:08] <topyli> chiisai: then use apt to build [04:08] <enyc_> oops weong channel people ;p sorry [04:08] <skalpel> ubuntu is awesome [04:08] <skalpel> in, also, i love you all this much <3 [04:08] <james> Hi all, i remembder install a architecture specific kernel before.... Is there any info ouyt there on doing this, do i need to on hoary? [04:08] <kahuna_> the Redhat installer ends in .rpm of course, but that's not the one you want [04:09] <topyli> chiisai: consult the apt-howto [04:09] <nothingsometing> this might be the wrong thing to ask but....is there an easy to get a web cam hooked up via usb??? [04:09] <ToRTuReD_X> ok [04:09] <|rockinnerd|> possibly [04:09] <|rockinnerd|> possibly no [04:09] <|rockinnerd|> t [04:09] <ToRTuReD_X> smoke time while i wait [04:09] <|rockinnerd|> it all depends on the webcam, [04:09] <nothingsometing> meaning [04:09] <Xyc0> I need help setting up my soundcard. It is detected, but when I try test sounds I hear nothing. everything in alsamixer is unmuted and full volume. [04:09] <|rockinnerd|> and whether it's supported lin linux [04:09] <chiisai> topyli, okay, thanks .) [04:09] <|rockinnerd|> Xyc0, is PCM turned up? [04:10] <nothingsometing> ok..... [04:10] <Xyc0> |rockinnerd|: PCM? [04:10] <mpmc> LOL [04:10] <nothingsometing> it's a lodgtech quickcam [04:10] <kahuna_> you have the speakers plugged in to the out jack right? :) [04:10] <topyli> chiisai: something like 'apt-get build-depend alsa ; apt-get build alsa" [04:10] <|rockinnerd|> PCM = sounds that your computer makes, its an entry in alsacfg [04:10] <Xyc0> it is a laptop [04:10] <|rockinnerd|> s/alsaconfig/alsamixer [04:11] <nothingsometing> so what if it is soupported in lunix [04:11] <kahuna_> I see [04:11] <nothingsometing> let's say it is [04:11] <skalpel> does anyone know the name of the thunderbird executable? [04:11] <kahuna_> Xyc0: do you have a function key for speaker volume? Check that first [04:11] <mpmc> !thunderbird [04:11] <ubotu> I don't know, mpmc [04:11] <mpmc> !info linux [04:11] <mpmc> !linux [04:11] <ubotu> somebody said linux was the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Ubuntu is only one version of the GNU/Linux operating system. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux [04:11] <nothingsometing> do i neeed to get the drivers in for lunix ...right , then what do i do with them [04:11] <Xyc0> kahuna_: I played around with them to make sure I didn't accidently mute them, no luck [04:12] <apokryphos> mozilla-thunderbird, perhaps>? [04:12] <skalpel> thank you [04:12] <nothingsometing> will ubuntu be nice like windows and ask for the drivers [04:12] <nothingsometing> ??? [04:12] <mpmc> I's Linux! [04:12] <skalpel> no, that is not it [04:12] <apokryphos> nothingsometing: no. It detects automatically ;-) [04:12] <kahuna_> linux is not like windows. [04:12] <kahuna_> and that's a good thing :) [04:12] <nothingsometing> lol [04:12] <nothingsometing> true [04:12] <mpmc> I meant the spelling.. [04:12] <nothingsometing> but it would be nice if it asked for the drivers or something [04:13] <turkuaz> has anyone tested vista b1.. [04:13] <Xyc0> |rockinnerd|: What entry for PCM do I look for in alsa.conf? [04:13] <kahuna_> why? Hotplud automatically detects everything. [04:13] <apokryphos> nothingsometing: why? Waste of time [04:13] <Xyc0> Windows doesn't ask for driver... [04:13] <TenPlus1> is it easy enough to re-partition a windows drive and have a dual-boot installation of Ubuntu ? [04:13] <kahuna_> Anything not detected you'll load a module for in /etc/modules [04:13] <nothingsometing> so what will haoppen if it's lunix capable? [04:14] <nothingsometing> do i need to mount he webcam [04:14] <nothingsometing> the* [04:14] <abisen> what source should i add on my machine so that i can install sun-jdk-1.5 etc.. [04:14] <Efwis> ok, I have a intersting issue with Kubuntu. installed on seperate HDD from Windows XP, using Grub windows has to be booted 3 or 4 times just to get started. any ideas? [04:14] <kahuna_> then it's not linux capable... that's it. You can ask the manufacturer to release specs, or buy new hardware [04:14] <abisen> i mean to say apt with ubuntu hoary [04:14] <kahuna_> abisen: you have to download it by hand [04:15] <Xyc0> |rockinnerd|: did I loose you? [04:15] <samuel> hello all [04:15] <james> I have an AMD chip, what specific kernel do i need? [04:15] <zAo^> lo [04:15] <skalpel> is the tunderbird mail client in synaptic package manager? [04:15] <kahuna_> it's non-free and sun makes you agree to a license to download it [04:15] <zAo^> james, -K7 [04:15] <nothingsometing> so i guess that means i don't need to mount the webcam right [04:15] <abisen> kahuna_, and what about acrobat 7 reader [04:15] <zAo^> skalpel, yes it is [04:15] <james> zAo^: wheere do i find it! :) [04:16] <kahuna_> I think that's the same deal abisen, but I don't have it so I'm not sure :) [04:16] <abisen> kahuna_, in ubuntuguide.org it says sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5\ [04:16] <zAo^> james, "sudo synaptic" search for image [04:16] <nothingsometing> what about code weavers............ would that work if it was for windows [04:17] <anderson_> anyone using qemu 0.71 +kqemu [04:17] <topyli> james: linux-image-k6 or k7, i forget which is there [04:17] <kahuna_> abisen: huh. Maybe sun-jre is in marillat or something. [04:17] <anderson_> I got the error: kqemu: module license 'unspecified' taints kernel. [04:17] <anderson_> kqemu: Unknown symbol __PAGE_KERNEL_EXEC [04:17] <samuel> id like to get glom for my debian system, could someone plz let me know the rep that the debs for glom are in? [04:17] <kahuna_> I just install it by hand cause I have way too much stuff that depends on specific java versions [04:18] <|rockinnerd|> Xyc0, sry [04:18] <|rockinnerd|> run alsamixer [04:18] <kahuna_> sun-jre is *not* in any official ubuntu repository [04:18] <abisen> kahuna_, do you have this repository added in your apt deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [04:18] <TenPlus1> Is it possible to write to NTFS partitions on a normal Ubuntu install, or do I need to install a separate prog ? [04:18] <topyli> abisen: deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java [04:18] <kahuna_> abisen: nope. [04:19] <abisen> kahuna_, it's displayed in ubuntuguide.org but is not working ... [04:19] <crimsun> TenPlus1: it's not possible by default. [04:19] <sJaM> I wouldn't try writing to a ntfs partition TenPlus1 [04:19] <abisen> topyli, thanks lemme check if it works [04:19] <sJaM> not at the moment [04:19] <TenPlus1> sJaM: problems ??? [04:19] <topyli> abisen: it did at one time, don't know about today :) [04:19] <sJaM> yes [04:19] <nothingsometing> ok ok ok what if i found the drivers for my web cam on driverguide.com cauld i get my webcam to work with lunix then???? [04:20] <kahuna_> I always manage Java myself. I never trust a package manager to upgrade my java because all of my jars dependencies break afte the "auto-upgrade" [04:20] <tahorg> "I just wanted to say that ubuntu just works here" [04:20] <topyli> nothingsometing: those are probably windows drivers [04:20] <kahuna_> nothingsometing: no. [04:20] <abisen> topyli, thanks it works awesome [04:20] <topyli> kahuna_: yep, java-package does the trick [04:20] <kahuna_> good deal then [04:20] <chiisai> When I try to run ./configure, it starts checking for gcc, but can't find it. How do I fix this? [04:20] <TenPlus1> sJaM: if I re-format the ntfs partition to say, ext2... can I get windows to read it ??? [04:20] <kahuna_> install gcc [04:21] <chiisai> You mean, gcc isn't included by default? [04:21] <skalpel> damn, can someoen tell me how to replace the systray if i accidentally remove it from the bar? [04:21] <abisen> could somebody also tell me the source to add on apt for adding backports [04:21] <sJaM> no [04:21] <kahuna_> TenPlus1: no [04:21] <sJaM> you should make a fat partition [04:21] <TenPlus1> tick with fat32 then ?? [04:21] <sJaM> yes [04:21] <crimsun> chiisai: install build-essential [04:21] <topyli> chiisai: install build-essential and get everything you need to build stuff [04:21] <topyli> heh [04:21] <TenPlus1> a 90gig fat32 partition... ouch! [04:21] <chiisai> topyli, crimsun: thanks .) [04:22] <|rockinnerd|> uh... i'm trying to add bootsplash, but ubuntu already has an initrd. help? [04:22] <chiisai> I thought gcc and standard build tools was pretty standard [04:22] <kahuna_> chiisai: fore developers they are. [04:22] <topyli> chiisai: not needed for regular desktops [04:22] <kahuna_> How many user desktops do you see with a compiler? [04:22] <kahuna_> :P [04:22] <topyli> i see many ;) [04:22] <sJaM> no [04:22] <skalpel> damn, can someoen tell me how to replace the systray if i accidentally remove it from the bar? [04:22] <sJaM> you could just make a small fat32 partition [04:23] <sJaM> to share your files [04:23] <|rockinnerd|> skalpel, rt-click, add to panel [04:23] <tommorris> there is no such thing as a small FAT32 partition. [04:23] <kahuna_> skalpel: It's just a gnome applet. Right click on the bar and choose add applet [04:23] <TenPlus1> sJaM: unfortunately it has to be that big... lot of music / movies [04:23] <sJaM> there is no such thing as a big FAT32 partition [04:23] <samuel> id like to get glom for my debian system, could someone plz let me know the rep that the debs for glom are in? [04:23] <|rockinnerd|> samuel, try adding universe and multiverse [04:24] <|rockinnerd|> if they havent been added yet [04:24] <sJaM> you can read ext2 with windows [04:24] <sJaM> with a program [04:24] <topyli> explore2fs [04:24] <TenPlus1> will it let me write too ? [04:24] <topyli> no [04:24] <samuel> |rockinnerd|, would that be "deb http://www.ubuntu.org universe" sort of thing? [04:24] <TenPlus1> are their any partitions that linux and windows can both read and write too ??? [04:24] <topyli> TenPlus1: but you can read ntfs from linux :) [04:24] <|rockinnerd|> yes [04:24] <sJaM> vfat [04:25] <topyli> which is fat32 [04:25] <samuel> |rockinnerd|, thanks [04:25] <sJaM> idd [04:25] <|rockinnerd|> TenPlus1, vfat, fat, or if you're feeling lucky, ntfs BUT you can lose data [04:25] <`saiko> umm a quick question [04:25] <sJaM> but only non-windows os can produce fat32 partitions bigger than 32 mb [04:25] <TenPlus1> hmm, looks like fat32 is the one to go for... [04:25] <sJaM> but only non-windows os can produce fat32 partitions bigger than 32 gb [04:25] <`saiko> how to check what's my network interface? [04:25] <|rockinnerd|> ifconfig [04:27] <Kmorph> Skalpel::I assume you are using KDE , so simply right click on the <panel> and select <add -> applet->systray> [04:27] <`saiko> ea but how to see the brand /model of the nic? [04:27] <skalpel> can i change the way the 'show desktop' button on the taskbar appears as a raised button? [04:27] <topyli> `saiko: lspci [04:28] <topyli> `saiko: your nick sucks on a scandinavian keyboard :) [04:28] <|rockinnerd|> help i can't patch my kernel with the bootsplash patch/ [04:29] <kahuna_> I'm getting a Not Authenticated message in synaptic after upgrading to Hoary From Warty. I assume that I don't have the correct keys. Where and how can I get them [04:29] <|rockinnerd|> chek the wiki [04:29] <topyli> kahuna_: i think synaptic can fetch them for you. not sure [04:30] <topyli> in the repositories dialog [04:30] <kahuna_> I'll check that out [04:30] <samuel> i added "deb http://www.ubuntu.org/ universe main" to my sources.list, but this isnt correct, what is please? [04:30] <|rockinnerd|> samuel, use synaptic [04:30] <Renski> Whats uudecode? [04:30] <TenPlus1> wow, almost all questions answered... thx guys [04:30] <kahuna_> the new xfce looks damn nice [04:31] <skalpel> kmorph: actually i am using gnome, and i dont see system tray under applets [04:31] <samuel> |rockinnerd|, i still need the correct line in my sources.list file though (i dont have it, i run debian) [04:31] <skalpel> k, nm [04:31] <topyli> samuel: archive.ubuntu.com [04:31] <TenPlus1> last one... Q.) Will Ubuntu let me share my internet connection with another pc using windows ??? [04:31] <topyli> yes [04:31] <samuel> topyli, aaa, thanks [04:31] <topyli> TenPlus1: A.) yes :) [04:32] <TenPlus1> topyli: any prog I need, or will it let me do it just using Ubuntu itself ? [04:32] <thoreauputic> skalpel: you might need "notification area" [04:32] <topyli> TenPlus1: are the boxes networked now? [04:32] <|rockinnerd|> samuel, brb [04:32] <TenPlus1> topyli: yes, using WinXP (retch!!!) [04:32] <thoreauputic> skalpel: same function, different name [04:32] <skalpel> ah, ok. when i try to load that applet i get an error, and it asks me if i want to delete that applet from my bar [04:33] <thoreauputic> skalpel: it probably already exists on your panel ;) [04:33] <TenPlus1> topyli: Main PC using Wireless PCI card, sharing internet and files with laptop using Wireless PCMCIA card and WinXP... [04:33] <topyli> TenPlus1: i have a linux box on the net, a win box connected to that. the linux firewall shares the connection [04:33] <TenPlus1> topyli: linux firewall ??? [04:33] <topyli> TenPlus1: iptables, configured with Firestarter [04:34] <|rockinnerd|> http://chrisslack.homelinux.net/myubuntu.list [04:34] <TenPlus1> ohhh, kewl :) thx topyil [04:34] <|rockinnerd|> ^^ for samuel, my ubuntu /etc/apt/sources.lst [04:34] <TenPlus1> will have to look into that and see how to do it [04:34] <topyli> TenPlus1: so, eth0 is the evil Net, eth1 is the lan with the windows [04:35] <TenPlus1> so eth1 will be my wireless card... [04:35] <topyli> TenPlus1: firestarter has a simple wizard to let you share the connection and set up dhcp [04:35] <skalpel> is there anyway to make the switching windows applet and show desktop applet transparent? [04:35] <topyli> TenPlus1: if you want dhcp. you could use static IP's too [04:35] <thoreauputic> skalpel: not AFAIK [04:35] <samuel> |rockinnerd|, thanks so much [04:36] <Random_Sindrom> how nautilus windows can be transparent? [04:36] <skalpel> AFAIK? [04:36] <thoreauputic> As Far As I Know [04:36] <TenPlus1> topyli: will need DCHP to auto-detect cable modem, and prolly use static for home network , kewlness [04:36] <poningru> yeah I wanna know this too [04:36] <topyli> TenPlus1: i use static IP's because the client is win98. dhcp may be easier with 2k and xp [04:36] <h08817> i have a little problem [04:36] <h08817> my computer randomly shutsdown while i am online [04:36] <h08817> i am on windows of course [04:36] <TenPlus1> thx topyli... loads of help :) [04:36] <poningru> how can you make the nautilus window be transparent? [04:36] <TenPlus1> cya peeps :) am off to install Ubuntu :D [04:37] <thoreauputic> h08817: #windows ;) [04:37] <poningru> TenPlus1: cya dude [04:37] <h08817> thanks [04:37] <godzirra> Hrm.. what package do I need to install to get the awesome matrix screensaver I had before? It seems to have gone away when I installed Ubuntu as a "server" [04:38] <thoreauputic> godzirra: it should be one of the screensavers in xscreensaver [04:38] <godzirra> ok.. thanks. [04:38] <djfm> hi [04:38] <h08817> godzirra: u got it to work? [04:38] <godzirra> h08817: Got what to work? [04:38] <h08817> godzirra: how long did ur install take? [04:38] <godzirra> My install? Like 20 minutes? [04:38] <godzirra> if that [04:38] <h08817> i tried server and my comp is gay about it [04:39] <h08817> what kind do u have like a new or older comp [04:39] <h08817> i have been stuck on the installing kernel for hours [04:39] <godzirra> laptop [04:39] <godzirra> umm... one sec. [04:39] <godzirra> lemme find a link [04:39] <h08817> and my computer is still clicking [04:39] <chiisai> checking for kernel version... The file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist. Please, install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel sources (default is /usr/src/linux). [04:39] <chiisai> I'm trying to compile alsa-drivers, but configure is giving me that error. How do I fix this? [04:39] <godzirra> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51942 [04:39] <godzirra> thats what I used to install my server. [04:40] <godzirra> are you compiling the kernel? [04:40] <h08817> no [04:40] <godzirra> then there's something wrong with your install. [04:40] <h08817> i am jsut installing hte base system as a server [04:40] <godzirra> unless you're using like, a 286 or something. [04:40] <h08817> not that old [04:40] <h08817> my regular install is fine i know for sure but not sure about server install [04:40] <topyli> chiisai: you need the kernel sources. or at least the headers [04:41] <chiisai> I got them. [04:41] <djfm> I'm looking for an alternative to rhythmbox who periodically Segfaults on my computer.. any idea? [04:41] <thoreauputic> dj28: beep media player, or muine or amarok or .... I like streamtuner + beep-media-player [04:41] <thoreauputic> + stremripper :) [04:41] <thoreauputic> *streamripper [04:41] <topyli> chiisai: do you have /usr/src/linux? it should be a symlink to your real sources [04:41] <godzirra> thoreauputic: It says "matrixview" is not installed when I go into the xscreensaver settings. [04:42] <thoreauputic> godzirra: hmm - hang on a second [04:42] <kahuna_> solved my key problem by re-importing the Ubuntu Archive signing key. Wierd cause it's the same key, yet it worked by re-importing it. [04:42] <godzirra> I did an apt-cache search on it and got rss-glx as the packages... [04:42] <godzirra> so i'm trying to install that. [04:42] <chiisai> topyli, no, I don't have it. I dunno where my real sources are [04:42] <godzirra> yup. that was it. [04:43] <topyli> chiisai: should be /usr/src/linux-<version> [04:43] <thoreauputic> godzirra: odd, I have xmatrix and matrixview here... [04:43] <|rockinnerd|> something's wrong with my alsa because i always get this high-pitched squeak with every sound [04:43] <godzirra> Darnit.. matrix view isnt the one... the one I'm thinking of had pictures appear out of the matrix... [04:43] <|rockinnerd|> topyli, apt-get install linux-sources [04:43] <thoreauputic> godzirra: locate xscreensaver | grep matrix [04:43] <skalpel> does anyone know why i would be unable to load an app in my taskbar? [04:43] <thoreauputic> godzirra: maybe not an xscreensaver then [04:44] <godzirra> I'm pretty sure when I installed ubuntu in non-server mode it had it. [04:44] <godzirra> i.e. when it was using gnome. [04:44] <|rockinnerd|> skalpel, b/c it's not in the menu [04:44] <chiisai> Argh T___T: configure: error: You have built-in ALSA in your kernel. May I kill myself now? How am I supposed to load alsa-drivers for my integrated Intel HDA? [04:44] <|rockinnerd|> alsaconfig [04:45] <|rockinnerd|> alsacfg maybe iirc [04:45] <xNinja> hello... [04:45] <skalpel> |rockinerd|: not in the menu? how would i be able to select it then? it is the stickynotes app [04:45] <xNinja> how many packages ubuntu has ? same as debian ? [04:45] <Ocid> godzirra: cmatrix - Console Matrix simulates the display from "The Matrix" maybe? [04:45] <Burgundavia> xNinja, yes [04:45] <thoreauputic> godzirra: was it some kind of screen grab option perhaps? [04:46] <topyli> chiisai: hrm. killing self not allowed. but you need to build another kernel i suppose [04:46] <xNinja> Burgundavia nice nice thanks [04:46] <godzirra> Ocid: I'm not sure.. it was just the screensaver that happened by default when I did a standard install with nothing special. [04:46] <chiisai> topyli, ...just to get some modules? snd-azx is what I want [04:46] <thoreauputic> xNinja: about 16 000 with multiverse and universe [04:47] <godzirra> it booted up gdm, I logged in, and after sitting there a minute it booted up a matrix screen saver that had pictures emerge and remerge back into the matrix. [04:47] <chiisai> ... [04:47] <xNinja> ok...why using ubuntu not debian ? [04:47] <Ocid> godzirra: that just came up with: apt-cache search screensaver | grep matrix [04:47] <Ocid> dunno if it's right, i don't have X at all [04:48] <skalpel> does anyone know why i would be unable to load an app in my taskbar? [04:48] <ventzo> hi everybody [04:48] <topyli> chiisai: the only way that comes to mind right now :( [04:48] <skalpel> or to add an app to my panel, i should say [04:48] <xNinja> hi ventzo [04:48] <thoreauputic> skalpel: ? does not compute - please rephrase [04:48] <topyli> heh [04:48] <skalpel> i want to add the stickynotes app to my panel but am unable to [04:48] <Renski> say I want to install lex with apt-get, how would I go about finding out the package name for it? [04:48] <|rockinnerd|> something's wrong with my alsa because i always get this high-pitched squeak with every sound [04:48] <chiisai> topyli, I just found this howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HdaIntelSoundHowto :) [04:49] <|rockinnerd|> apt-get search lex [04:49] <chiisai> That will probably work. [04:49] <ToRTuReD_X> where do i extract limewire to? [04:49] <MartenH> How can you open several terminals as "tabs" in one window instead of them beeing separate windows? [04:49] <topyli> chiisai: much cooler :) [04:49] <MartenH> Like here: http://www.reactionnetworks.com/reactScreenshot.png [04:49] <concept10> skalpel, right click panel and select add to panel [04:49] <thoreauputic> MartenH: right click in the window, open tab [04:49] <skalpel> i did [04:49] <skalpel> i get an error message from gnome [04:49] <MartenH> thoreauputic: ty [04:49] <thoreauputic> :) [04:49] <concept10> what error [04:49] <skalpel> for some reason based on the behavior of my gnomebar i think it has something to do with my sytray [04:50] <Renski> |rockinnerd|: E: Invalid operation search [04:50] <concept10> skalpel, what error [04:50] <Ocid> Renski: apt-cache search lex [04:50] <godzirra> Ocid: nope.. thats not it either. [04:50] <thoreauputic> Renski: apt-cache search [04:50] <skalpel> the panel encountered a problem while loading OAFID:GNOME_stickynotesapplet [04:50] <skalpel> then it asks me if i want to delete the app from my config [04:50] <skalpel> i get two error message boxes at the same time. [04:51] <thoreauputic> skalpel: sounds like a bug... [04:51] <|rockinnerd|> --search [04:51] <godzirra> thoreauputic: There's another xscreensaver called "glmatrix" that says its not installed either. [04:53] <topyli> skalpel: try 'killall gnome-panel' and let it respawn [04:53] <skalpel> alright [04:53] <thoreauputic> godzirra: apt-cache search xscreensaver - there are a few alternatives I think: apt-cache show to check them out [04:53] <skalpel> heh. it has not respawned. =) [04:53] <|rockinnerd|> gnome-panel [04:54] <skalpel> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server [04:54] <skalpel> Xlib: No protocol specified [04:54] <skalpel> (gnome-panel:4195): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: [04:54] <godzirra> Hrm... maybe it is matrixview. For some reason its so much slower when I installed "Server" than it was when I installed the "standard" way [04:54] <thoreauputic> godzirra: different machine? different graphics card? [04:55] <|rockinnerd|> how do you install the electric sheep screensaver for xscreensaver [04:55] <effowe> hey i have a quick question about partitioning, is the root partition the primary, and everything else logical? [04:55] <godzirra> Same machine. [04:55] <ToRTuReD_X> ubuntu is a debian "based" distro right? [04:55] <godzirra> its a laptop. [04:55] <|rockinnerd|> ToRTuReD_X, yes [04:55] <godzirra> I think I'm going to get rid of my server install and do a standard install. [04:55] <ToRTuReD_X> k [04:55] <ToRTuReD_X> thanks [04:55] <skalpel> what should i do now that i cannot start gnome-panel? [04:55] <|rockinnerd|> effowe, no [04:56] <skalpel> i do not want to restart [04:56] <Amaranth> ToRTuReD_X: Don't mix Debian and Ubuntu repositories. [04:56] <topyli> skalpel: that's weird. perhaps you have to kill X and pray while logging in again [04:56] <thoreauputic> |rockinnerd|: you apt-get install electricsheep [04:56] <|rockinnerd|> thx [04:56] <ToRTuReD_X> ack [04:56] <ToRTuReD_X> how do i know if i want amule stable or cvs? [04:56] <skalpel> perhaps [04:56] <python> effowe: Usually this is the way to do it [04:56] <thoreauputic> skalpel: log out and in again [04:56] <python> However having two prmiary partitions wouldnt hurt either [04:57] <skalpel> fine. *sigh* [04:57] <topyli> skalpel: you can still try starting gnome-panel from the alt-F2 dialog [04:57] <selinium> any one got a good sources.list i can have? [04:57] <effowe> python: i see you say this is the way to do it.. but i didnt see anything after that? [04:57] <skalpel> i do not have an f2 dialogue [04:57] <skalpel> i am using gnome [04:57] <effowe> python: oh nevermind heh [04:57] <thoreauputic> skalpel: alt-F2 [04:57] <topyli> skalpel: perhaps the panel needs to be running for that to work :) [04:58] <python> Logicals come into play as you can only have amximum of 4 primary partitions [04:58] <skalpel> haha yes [04:58] <skalpel> i will just logout and in [04:58] <topyli> |rockinnerd|: try and snap out of it :) [04:58] <|rockinnerd|> haha [04:58] <effowe> python: ok thanks [04:58] <|rockinnerd|> touch: cannot touch `my_ass': Permission denied [04:59] <topyli> |rockinnerd|: your ass seems to be 0wnd by someone else [04:59] <|rockinnerd|> again, haha [05:00] <godzirra> Is there a way to -not- install gnome? [05:00] <hondje> godzirra: doing a 'server' install [05:00] <|rockinnerd|> godzirra, if you only want kde, get kubuntu [05:00] <Amaranth> Doing a 'server' install pretty much installs just enough to make the machine bootable (no X, etc). [05:00] <topyli> i thought not installing gnome is illegal in most countries [05:01] <godzirra> |rockinnerd|: dear gods no. [05:01] <thoreauputic> topyli: you are thinking of Windows Xp ;P [05:01] <godzirra> I want fluxbox. [05:01] <topyli> hehe [05:01] <godzirra> how do I remove gnome then after the fact? :) [05:01] <|rockinnerd|> server install, apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop [05:01] <|rockinnerd|> this or that [05:01] <godzirra> I -want- the desktop.. just not gnome. [05:01] <python> if i was u godzilla id just do a frsh kubuntu install [05:01] <Amaranth> godzirra: sudo apt-get remove --purge libgtk2.0-0 should pretty much do it. ;) [05:01] <godzirra> python: I don't WANT kde. [05:02] <|rockinnerd|> apt-get install fluxbox [05:02] <spike> how do I do a netinstall? I've downloaded and written linux and initrd.gz images to disk, but they won't boot [05:02] <thoreauputic> |rockinnerd|: that won't uninstall gnome -it's a metapackage [05:02] <|rockinnerd|> ah. [05:02] <topyli> |rockinnerd|: removing ubuntu-desktop doesn't remove anything else but the metapackage [05:02] <h08817> what exactly is kde? [05:02] <godzirra> |rockinnerd|: ok, I know how to do that.. I want to uninstall gnome though, because I won't -ever- be using it. [05:02] <thoreauputic> ie ubuntu-desktop [05:02] <spike> it tells me "it's deprecated" and that I need a bootloader [05:02] <|rockinnerd|> godzirra: do a server-install [05:02] <Amaranth> godzirra: sudo apt-get remove --purge libgtk2.0-0 should pretty much do it. ;) [05:03] <python> ever tht of linux from scratch? [05:03] <godzirra> |rockinnerd|: I did that before, and for some reason things are running ridiculously slow... [05:03] <|rockinnerd|> wAAAAy too slow [05:03] <|rockinnerd|> ^^ LFS [05:03] <godzirra> Granted I'm only benchmarking that from the screensaver I had running... [05:03] <godzirra> but now it takes like 3 minutes for the screensaver to fully cover the screen... standard install it was like 2 seconds. [05:03] <Amaranth> python: Just because he doesn't want GNOME or KDE doesn't mean he needs to use LFS. [05:03] <|rockinnerd|> godzirra, u probably need the nvidia-glx if you need the nvidia driver [05:03] <kahuna_> try wmaker or xfce [05:04] <|rockinnerd|> or kde for that matter [05:04] <godzirra> Its an ATI card. [05:04] <python> I suppose Amaranth i just suggesting alternatives [05:04] <|rockinnerd|> godzirra: check the wiki [05:04] <|rockinnerd|> search for graphics driver [05:04] <kahuna_> I have xfce on an old PII 400 notebook. Works very nice [05:04] <kahuna_> no gnome stuff at all because I did a custom install [05:04] <godzirra> Wow. Searching for ATI so doesnt work [05:04] <godzirra> Its amazingh how may words have the letters "ATI" in them [05:05] <godzirra> damnit.. rockinnerd left. [05:06] <godzirra> What am I supposed to be checking the wiki for? [05:06] <h08817> OK [05:06] <Ocid> !display [05:06] <ubotu> [display] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto or ask !Resolution [05:06] <Ocid> !binary drivers [05:06] <ubotu> Ocid: Are you smoking crack? [05:06] <Ocid> heh [05:06] <h08817> i just want a plain guide i can download onto my computer (windows) to learn everything possible about linux before i use it [05:06] <h08817> besides the ubuntu guide [05:06] <nightswim> why isnt "lame" apt-getable [05:06] <Ocid> !ATI [05:07] <ubotu> from memory, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto [05:07] <h08817> on that offshore website [05:07] <h08817> whatever [05:07] <h08817> a good guide that makes sense to noobs would be nice [05:07] <kahuna_> h08817: try O'reilly. They have plenty of free books about running linux. [05:08] <kahuna_> h08817: In fact I think the debina-centric "Running Linux" book is free [05:08] <h08817> room is going down [05:08] <kahuna_> nope. just a teeny netsplit [05:08] <godzirra> umm.. Isnt it odd that I don't have a /proc/pci ? [05:08] <h08817> o ok [05:08] <Ocid> ubotu: tell godzirra about ATI [05:08] <topyli> h08817: read the debian docs [05:08] <kahuna_> godzirra: nope. you have a /proc/bus/pi [05:08] <h08817> i hope no one is using for their advantage [05:08] <kahuna_> pci [05:08] <python> <<why does my user name appear grey [05:08] <h08817> dunno [05:09] <h08817> topyli: where are the debian docs [05:09] <kahuna_> the proc filesystem was rewritten [05:09] <jeff_hann_> python:what client? [05:09] <python> on here when i type a message my name is grey [05:10] <jeff_hann_> ok....what client are you using? [05:10] <python> C-Chat [05:10] <python> X-Chat [05:10] <godzirra> Ahh.. ok. [05:10] <kahuna_> Well my name is white when I type! Damn it!!! [05:10] <jeff_hann_> lol [05:10] <python> lol [05:10] <kahuna_> What am I doing wrong? [05:11] <godzirra> kahuna_: How do I see a list of my pci devices? Its not in /proc/bus/pci/devices :) [05:11] <python> ive never used X chat before [05:11] <kahuna_> lspci [05:11] <jeff_hann_> x-chat shows your nick differently to show it's yours [05:11] <kahuna_> you might need pciutils [05:11] <python> tht it might be comething like tht but wsnt to sure [05:11] <jeff_hann_> it sure is [05:11] <godzirra> Ahh. ok [05:11] <thoreauputic> godzirra: lspci [05:12] <redtech> good morning party people [05:12] <kahuna_> hi [05:12] <Belutz> i attached my CDROM on RAID IDE, and ubuntu live CD can't detect it... how do i resolve this? the mobo manufacturer doesn't supply the linux driver for RAID [05:12] <python> Are there any Uk Ubuntu Users in here? [05:12] <godzirra> Hrm. I get this: "FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): No such device" [05:13] <bob2> godzirra: then you don't have hardware that it works with [05:13] <thoreauputic> python: Ukrainian ? < g > [05:13] <godzirra> Ok.. then it goes back to why when I did a standard install does my screensaver work at lightning speed... when I did a server install it crawls about 10 times slower. [05:14] <bob2> do you have a rdaeon <= 9200? [05:14] <godzirra> IGP 340M [05:14] <thoreauputic> godzirra: does your fluxbox take ages to load too ? [05:14] <godzirra> thoreauputic: Yes [05:14] <h08817> well i guess linux doesn't like me [05:15] <thoreauputic> godzirra: you have the "not compiled with --disable-xmb" bug [05:15] <holycow> h08817, your still fighting with the install? [05:15] <thoreauputic> godzirra: it's a fluxbox bug [05:15] <h08817> yes [05:15] <h08817> any ideas [05:15] <holycow> you know i just ran into a mobo that the di cannot handle [05:15] <holycow> yes, buy another mobo [05:15] <godzirra> thoreauputic: what does that mean and how do I fix it? [05:15] <kahuna_> h08817: Linux HATES you! [05:15] <kahuna_> :-P [05:15] <h08817> thanks [05:15] <holycow> sometimes that simply is the answer [05:16] <holycow> we build our own systems, and we specifically build them by purchasing for the chipset first and then adding the other stuff around that [05:16] <thoreauputic> godzirra: atm you have to compile fluxbox yourself to fix it - I can tell you about it in /msg if you wish [05:16] <h08817> i guess i'll have to stick with microshit windows [05:16] <kahuna_> Of course if you give it a back massage every night, it might *start* to like you :) [05:16] <brodo> can someone help me to get skype running? [05:16] <godzirra> Please? [05:16] <thoreauputic> godzirra: i had the same issue [05:16] <holycow> h08817, on some mobos, yep, on this machine i haveto install win2k, di will simply choke for some reason [05:17] <h08817> what is a mobo? [05:17] <Efwis> motherboard [05:17] <brodo> everytime i start is there is the following error msg: skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared o bject file: No such file or directory [05:17] <h08817> thanks [05:17] <Nermal> is there an easy way to determine if my glibc has NPTL support enabled? [05:17] <brodo> how can i download this librarie? [05:17] <kahuna_> brodo: do you have the qt-libs inststalled? [05:17] <levander`> Anybody has gotten udftools working? I get an error no matter what udftools command I run. [05:18] <brodo> kahuna_, don't know. can i install them with apt-get install qt-libs? [05:18] <kahuna_> brodo: Just make sure you have qt installed. I'm not sure of the name, use synaptic [05:18] <jowi> brodo, you need to install the 'libqt3c102-mt' package [05:18] <kahuna_> but I'm sure it starts with qt* [05:19] <brodo> kahuna_, ok thx. i try [05:19] <kahuna_> there you have it, stright from jowi [05:19] <thoreauputic> godzirra: you saw my /msg ? [05:19] <Amaranth> finally [05:19] <Amaranth> I love freenode! [05:19] <Whistler> me too [05:19] <zAo^> :) [05:19] <Whistler> =] [05:19] <kahuna_> lol [05:20] <kahuna_> better than dalnet [05:20] <Last_in_Line> Hello [05:20] <zAo^> lo [05:20] <Amaranth> join throttling should _NOT_ keep channel operators out [05:20] <zAo^> anyone on Breezy? [05:20] <Amaranth> me [05:20] <zAo^> :) [05:21] <zAo^> What version of Xorg you using? [05:21] <levander`> Anybody know if I have to patch the latest hoary kernel to get udftools to work? [05:21] <Amaranth> latest and greatest [05:21] <nalioth> Amaranth is a dev. He knows what he is doing. [05:21] <Last_in_Line> I installed Ubuntu the other day & while it looks nice, it sure likes to mess with my mind. [05:21] <zAo^> can I update Xorg to 7.0? [05:21] <Amaranth> zAo^: Do you like having Xorg work? Do you like using a keyboard? [05:21] <zAo^> im on 6.8.2-36 right now [05:21] <levander`> How can I figure out if the hoary kernel has the packet writing patch applied to it? [05:22] <zAo^> Amaranth, I like the commadline, but I need X.. [05:22] <Amaranth> levander`: install something that needs it and see what happens? [05:22] <Amaranth> zAo^: They you're probably better off where you are. [05:22] <levander`> Amaranth: udftools needs it, it doesn't work, but I'm not sure if its because of that or something else i haven't done. [05:22] <eth42> synaptic complains "Could not download all repository indexes" [05:22] <zAo^> Amaranth, thanks [05:22] <Amaranth> zAo^: I had to grab things from hoary, hack things together, and hunt for packages that nothing depends on but are needed. [05:22] <eth42> The repository might be no longer available or could not be contacted because of network problems. [05:22] <Last_in_Line> Anyone know what the default login & pass is for mysql? [05:23] <xwind> Is version 2 of gramps available for hoary? [05:23] <eth42> anyone else having those problems? [05:23] <zAo^> Amaranth, ah. Thanks. I'll stay here for a week or so :) [05:23] <Whistler> when will new opera be aviable thru apt-get? [05:23] <zAo^> what will Xorg 7.0 give us anyway? [05:23] <jcsteele> i am trying to install libdvdcss from the package manager, i am assuming this is maintained in the repository, no? [05:24] <levander`> Last_in_Line: if you haven't changed anything, I think there's an anonymous user with no password. Just type mysql from the same machine, and see if you get in. [05:24] <Amaranth> eth42: us.archive.ubuntu.com is working fine here [05:24] <Amaranth> jcsteele: it's not [05:25] <Last_in_Line> ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) [05:25] <jcsteele> ok then, that would explain things. I just wanted to make sure as its my first ubuntu install [05:25] <Whistler> i do sudo apt-get install opera and i can install only 8.01 [05:25] <jcsteele> thx. [05:25] <eth42> Amaranth: can I change all repositories to us.archive.ubuntu.com at once? [05:25] <Whistler> when 8.02 will be aviable? [05:25] <Amaranth> eth42: what are you on now? [05:25] <Last_in_Line> How about the postsql? [05:25] <levander`> Last_in_Line: this is a fresh install, or you have been playing with it, configuring users, etc. [05:25] <zAo^> Whistler, on Hoary? [05:25] <Whistler> yep [05:26] <Amaranth> Whistler: I'm not sure where you're getting opera but it's not in Ubuntu repositories. [05:26] <zAo^> well; it doesnt I think? [05:26] <zAo^> ^^ [05:26] <eth42> Amaranth: de.ubuntu.... [05:26] <Last_in_Line> Fresh, I have been trying to get egroupware to run on it though [05:26] <northind> Last_in_Line: seems to me your mysqld is not running [05:27] <Last_in_Line> It just can't create its database on either sql program [05:27] <Amaranth> eth42: I'm not good enough at sed hacking to do it automatically, sorry. [05:27] <Amaranth> eth42: I just tried and wiped out my sources.list file. :) [05:27] <eth42> Amaranth: ok, now it works.... must have been some temporary error (or maybe because I killed the update applet) [05:27] <zAo^> Amaranth, whats the best way to get a package in the repos? [05:27] <Amaranth> zAo^: Opera will never get in. [05:27] <levander`> Last_in_Line: try this: 'mysql -u root' [05:27] <eth42> Amaranth: :-) sorry (I could have helped on sed) [05:27] <zAo^> Amaranth, Its not about Opera :) Klibido is what I want :) [05:28] <Amaranth> zAo^: Other than that, the best way is to join #ubuntu-motu and start learning how to package things. :) [05:28] <hopeng> yepee im downloading ubuntu rite now, the guys at #css tells me that ubuntu is good at web deevloping [05:28] <Amaranth> eth42: I have backups. [05:28] <Amaranth> :) [05:28] <brodo> kahuna_, thx 4 your help. it works now. [05:28] <zAo^> thxn [05:29] <levander`> Is there some way to talk to the MOTU for udftools. I've been searching all over the internet, haven't seen anybody get udftools working with hoary, but did find a few people asking how to. [05:29] <Last_in_Line> same error [05:29] <thespiritoftal> anyoen knows a nice racing game for ubuntu? [05:30] <levander`> Last_in_Line: somebody asked you if you were sure mysqld is runnning. Is it? [05:30] <jcsteele> \ [05:30] <Last_in_Line> I don't know, I have my doubts too [05:30] <eth42> Amaranth: where are those repository configs located? [05:30] <Last_in_Line> I'm a windows user.. lol [05:30] <Amaranth> eth42: /etc/apt/sources.list [05:30] <eth42> Amaranth: I need to install some software but don't have the cd at hand [05:30] <eth42> Amaranth: thank you! [05:30] <levander`> Last_in_Line: 'ps -ef | grep mysql' [05:30] <thespiritoftal> noone knows some nice games to play in ubuntu? [05:30] <Earered> thespiritoftal, tuxracer ;) [05:31] <zAo^> thespiritoftal, free games? Otherwise: Quake, Unreal Tournament? [05:31] <Last_in_Line> That changed my prompt [05:31] <kahuna_> I play stepmania [05:32] <kahuna_> and the various quakes, and doom [05:32] <rob^> cs works good too [05:32] <TeraClon> stepmania rocks [05:32] <rob^> cedega though [05:32] <kahuna_> TeraClon: What sims do you like to play [05:32] <northind> Last_in_Line, or do a netstat -lt to see if the mysql daemon is actually listening [05:33] <Last_in_Line> Does Diablo II work on Ubuntu? [05:33] <zAo^> kahuna_, where do I download that adaptor? :P [05:33] <TeraClon> my one [05:33] <Razor-X> I play Nethack, ToME, UT, and TuxRacer ;) [05:33] <levander`> Last_in_Line: what? how could ps change your prompt? [05:33] <TeraClon> my own [05:33] <kahuna_> Cool. [05:34] <Last_in_Line> It changed from # to > [05:34] <ph8> lo all [05:34] <zAo^> Last_in_Line, `echo $PS1` ? [05:34] <ph8> I'm just about to install kubuntu o/ [05:34] <Razor-X> Last_in_Line: that means you're still feeding input to the program [05:34] <nariman> HELP!!! [05:34] <nariman> :( [05:34] <ToRTuReD_X> i hate linux [05:34] <ToRTuReD_X> it's being mean [05:34] <ph8> ok [05:34] <ToRTuReD_X> :( [05:34] <levander`> Last_in_Line: you weren't supposed to type in the ' [05:35] <zAo^> ?? [05:35] <ph8> so i push enter when booted to CD [05:35] <ph8> and the screen just goes blank [05:35] <nariman> can some one help me? [05:35] <ph8> and staya that way? [05:35] <kahuna_> TeraClon: you play on heavy then? I do heavy ~8 feet. No 9 footers yet. [05:35] <levander`> Last_in_Line: the 's I put on that command [05:35] <ph8> * stays [05:35] <Razor-X> nariman: shoot [05:35] <ph8> I don't think that's meant to happen? [05:35] <Amaranth> fans of my last desktop screenshot may enjoy http://www.realistanew.com/desktop2.png [05:35] <nariman> when i run config [05:35] <nariman> in the terminal window [05:35] <TeraClon> yeah i do some 9s and 2 10s [05:35] <nariman> i get the message [05:35] <kahuna_> Amaranth: Is it work safe? [05:35] <levander`> Last_in_Line: Ctrl-C to get out of that, they type 'ps -ef | grep mysql' - without the 's [05:35] <Amaranth> kahuna_: yes [05:35] <kahuna_> lol [05:36] <nariman> "no accepted c-compiler found [05:36] <levander`> Last_in_Line: no ticks in what you type [05:36] <northind> Last_in_Line, type a single quote and press enter. [05:36] <zAo^> Amaranth, like the desktop, but the icons... [05:36] <Amaranth> Look at the lovely weather we're having here in Iowa! [05:36] <Razor-X> nariman: ........ is that really that much to sweat over? [05:36] <Amaranth> zAo^: The icons are breezy default. [05:36] <nariman> im a newbie so :) [05:36] <TeraClon> is there a program similar to Sonic Foundreys ACID in linux? [05:36] <Razor-X> insert your installation CD and type in ``sudo apt-get install build-essentials'' [05:36] <Razor-X> and if you compile regularly [05:36] <bob2> TeraClon: best if you explain what that program does [05:36] <kahuna_> What does ACID do? Is it a sequencer. [05:36] <Razor-X> ``sudo apt-get install automake autoconf'' [05:37] <Razor-X> TeraClon: there are free MIDI Sequencers out there [05:37] <Amaranth> btw, the woman in that screenshot is the same one that's in http://www.realistanew.com/desktop.png :) [05:37] <zAo^> Amaranth, hmm. Got Crystal Clear here [05:37] <Razor-X> not just for Linux, but I don't know how that compares to Acid [05:37] <TeraClon> It allows people to chop up songs [05:37] <Amaranth> zAo^: you're on KDE :P [05:38] <zAo^> Amaranth, nope. Crystal for Gnome ;) [05:38] <Amaranth> *shudder* [05:38] <TeraClon> but beat-wise [05:38] <Last_in_Line> Ok, that seems to have done something [05:38] <Razor-X> nariman: why do you want to dcc? [05:38] <levander`> Amaranth: bad girls should never wear plaid, it kind of ruins the whole fantasy for me [05:38] <kozlyk> can someone give me a hand with my samba server? [05:38] <nariman> i want to install xmms [05:38] <bob2> TeraClon: sweep, perhaps [05:38] <kahuna_> there's nothing like that for linux AFAIK [05:38] <Razor-X> nariman: sudo apt-get install xmms [05:38] <Last_in_Line> Does that mean its running now? [05:39] <kahuna_> Sweep only crossfades and does effects, doesn't it? [05:39] <nariman> where shall i type that, cant we start a priv chat window [05:39] <spike> how do I do a netinstall? I've downloaded and written linux and initrd.gz images to disk, but they won't boot. what am I supposed to do? the installation guide on the wiki is almost non-existing [05:39] <Amaranth> levander`: I like her better with her goth makeup on dressed in black. [05:39] <Razor-X> kahuna_: does Acid do anything special? Because free MIDI Sequencers have been available for a while [05:39] <nariman> so many messages in at one time [05:39] <Belutz> Amaranth: how do i load live CD when my CD-ROM is attached on RAID ? [05:39] <kahuna_> yup. I like rosegarden the best. [05:39] <Razor-X> or, I think you people are looking for Audacity [05:39] <levander`> Last_in_Line: does what mean it's running? [05:39] <PurpleWurld> total linux n00b need to get d-link airplus working on ubuntu. can't get onto the net on that machine w/o it any help? [05:39] <bob2> spike: those are intended for tftp booting [05:39] <Amaranth> Belutz: Pray to $DEITY that it works? [05:39] <Last_in_Line> oops, I tried typing mysql & same error as before [05:39] <Amaranth> Belutz: I have no idea. [05:39] <Razor-X> !wireless [05:39] <ubotu> hmm... wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards [05:39] <Razor-X> !ndishowto [05:39] <PurpleWurld> thx [05:39] <ubotu> Razor-X: I haven't a clue [05:39] <Razor-X> grrr ;) [05:40] <Belutz> Amaranth: hehehe [05:40] <Last_in_Line> root 19682 19474 0 10:37 pts/0 00:00:00 grep mysql [05:40] <dabaR> hehe@ [05:40] <levander`> Last_in_Line: what what the output in the last column of that command I gave you. Last column on every row of the output. [05:40] <dabaR> hehe@$DEITY [05:40] <Amaranth> deFrysk: What did dropline do to the etiquette theme? [05:40] <kahuna_> I thought $DEITY lives in /dev/null [05:40] <kahuna_> or sometimes $FATE=/dev/random [05:40] <levander`> Last_in_Line: that's just the process where you were grepping for mysql. That's not mysql itself [05:40] <Amaranth> deFrysk: etiquette is hoary default, btw [05:41] <levander`> Last_in_Line: '/etc/init.d/mysql start' to start mysql, *NO TICKS* [05:41] <deFrysk> Amaranth, dropline etiquette is much nicer [05:41] <znh> Hmm.. since I installed kde-devel, I can't run bash scripts such as configure (Segmentation Fault) - How to heal this? [05:41] <Amaranth> deFrysk: it's all washed out [05:41] <spike> bob2: oh [05:41] <Razor-X> any non BASH/KSH/ZSH/xCSH users here? [05:41] <spike> bob2: ok, I'll look again into boot floppies... [05:41] <zAo^> sorry, KSH/SH [05:41] <deFrysk> Amaranth, washed out ? [05:42] <Amaranth> deFrysk: the colors [05:42] <ph8> Erm guys, i'm booting to CD (new windows laptop) - pushing enter for full install and it all goes black after initting the kernel [05:42] <ph8> .. any ideas? [05:42] <nightswim> Razor-X: what shell are you looking for then? :) [05:42] <Razor-X> nightswim: was wondering if there were others ;) [05:42] <Razor-X> how's ZSH then? ;) [05:42] <kahuna_> I don't use a shell. my shell field in /etc/passwd is /usr/bin/python [05:42] <nightswim> zsh rocks [05:42] <Razor-X> I use BASH+esh right now [05:42] <Last_in_Line> Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed. [05:42] <Last_in_Line> Please take a look at the syslog. [05:42] <deFrysk> Amaranth, to me its the best icontheme along with eXperienceCrystal [05:42] <nightswim> I use zsh [05:42] <znh> Nobody know how to fix this.. blah then kde-devel is really corrupt [05:42] <dabaR> there is dash [05:43] <dabaR> I just saw that the other day. [05:43] <levander`> Last_in_Line: 'less /var/log/syslog', go all the way to the bottom to find something mysql related [05:43] <Razor-X> !repos [05:43] <ubotu> I heard repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [05:43] <bob2> dash isn't a useful shell [05:43] <bob2> znh: in breezy? [05:43] <Razor-X> !tell nariman about repos [05:43] <znh> bob2: nope i'm in Horay [05:43] <dabaR> creators would beg to differ:) [05:43] <kahuna_> I've heard of something called fish too [05:43] <znh> bob2: *Hoary [05:43] <bob2> Last_in_Line: what did you change from the defaults? [05:43] <dabaR> or maybe they wouldnt [05:43] <eth42> has anyone had problems with DHCP-client so far? [05:43] <bob2> dash isn't meant as an interactive shell [05:43] <Razor-X> What are the advantages of zsh over say BASH, if I may ask? ;) [05:43] <bob2> unless you have very tight constraints [05:44] <Last_in_Line> Nothing is changed, I haven't got it started yet... lol [05:44] <levander`> Razor-X: ssh is for remote connections, it's like a secure telnet [05:44] <bob2> Razor-X: better for scripting, better completion, loadable modules [05:44] <Razor-X> levander`: I know what ssh is ;0 [05:44] <zAo^> eth42, nope. I only changed the DNS serv [05:44] <bob2> Last_in_Line: all you've done is install the mysql-server package? [05:44] <Razor-X> bob2: it's fully compatible with BASH no? [05:44] <levander`> Razor-X: bash and ssh are two different things, they're apples and oranges [05:44] <bob2> Razor-X: no [05:44] <Razor-X> really? [05:44] <bob2> Razor-X: it's compatible with sh [05:44] <eth42> I got "No DHCPOFFERS received." [05:44] <bob2> levander`: zsh != ssh [05:45] <Razor-X> oh :( [05:45] <znh> bob2: you might want to change the topic, kde-devel ruins ubuntu hoary [05:45] <bob2> eth42: breezy? [05:45] <eth42> now I'm in (and don't know why) [05:45] <Last_in_Line> and whatever seemed related, along with webmin [05:45] <Razor-X> I thought it was a BASH superset.... hmmmm [05:45] <zAo^> bob2, something in /etc/inetd.conf? [05:45] <eth42> bob2: no hoary [05:45] <levander`> Razor-X: oh, my bad, i misread [05:45] <MartenH> what font is used for the ubuntu logo? [05:45] <bob2> znh: not until you've asked ridell about it and someone else can confirm it [05:45] <znh> _o_ [05:45] <bob2> Razor-X: it's a superset in the ways that matter [05:45] <znh> then how to fix this? [05:45] <Razor-X> bob2: hehe [05:45] <phixion> its a hand made font MartenH [05:45] <bob2> znh: what did Riddell suggest earlier? [05:45] <phixion> not for release atm afaik [05:45] <Razor-X> only reason is that, BASH scripting tutorials are widely known [05:45] <znh> bob2: He didn't suggest me yet [05:45] <simple> hi.. i have Ubuntu installed on /dev/sda3, and i'm int he process of installing gentoo, so far i've got it mounted, basesystem installed, kernel compiled and now i have a boot question [05:46] <Razor-X> and I use a BASH script to download podcasts [05:46] <zAo^> how do I refresh /etc/inetd.conf? (sorry used to AIX..) [05:46] <bob2> znh: where did you file a bug? [05:46] <Last_in_Line> Jul 28 01:28:57 localhost mysqld_safe[8422] : Fatal error in defaults handling. Program aborted [05:46] <Last_in_Line> Jul 28 01:28:57 localhost mysqld_safe[8422] : Installation of grant tables failed! [05:46] <jcsteele> ok, i got libdvdcss2 install, along with vlc and mplayer....both using xvid as the output mode..but dvd playback is horrible. [05:46] <Razor-X> now esh is compatible with both, but i'm not so sure about zsh in general, i'll just run non-cooperating things in esh then ;) [05:46] <bob2> Razor-X: scripts that need bash will call bash [05:46] <Razor-X> bob2: doh! [05:46] <znh> bob2: file? - well, after I installed kde-devel I'm getting Segmentation Errors in bash scripts such as configure [05:46] <bob2> if not, they're buggy [05:46] <simple> grub is installed to the mbr, so would i add /sda1 to /etc/fstab on ubuntu and the boot script in /boot/ or would it be sepereate on the gentoo partition? [05:46] <Razor-X> haha, that was stupid [05:46] <jcsteele> is there anything i need to change thats ubuntu/linux specific to improve playback quality? [05:47] <bob2> znh: and you filed a bug? [05:47] <znh> bob2: I don't know what you mean by filed [05:47] <deFrysk> jcsteele, get totem-xine ? [05:47] <dabaR> simple: I think you are missing what you would like to have done. fstab is for mounting. [05:47] <bob2> znh: report a bug [05:47] <znh> bob2: no not yet.. I want to solve this first :-) [05:47] <jcsteele> deFrysk: no i have not tried that...it offers better playback quality? [05:47] <deFrysk> to me it does yes [05:48] <simple> missing what? [05:48] <Razor-X> are there any nice zsh scripting tutorials out there? [05:48] <dabaR> simple: + we have no clue how gentoo works, and what it wants. [05:48] <jcsteele> i will try that then, thx. [05:48] <dabaR> s/we/I [05:48] <Last_in_Line> How about that pgsql, how do I make that run? [05:48] <dabaR> simple: what are you trying to get accomplished, is what I think you are missing. [05:48] <bob2> Razor-X: www.zsh.org [05:48] <Last_in_Line> If that will run I'll just take mysql off [05:48] <bob2> Razor-X: it's just a bourne-compatible shell, with extensions. [05:49] <bob2> Last_in_Line: sudo aptitude install postgresql [05:49] <zAo^> bob2, why? [05:49] <bob2> znh: or just purging kde-devel and everything else it installed [05:49] <bob2> znh: ? [05:49] <bob2> bah [05:49] <bob2> z0? [05:49] <zAo^> bob2, never reinstall :S use DEBFOSTER [05:49] <znh> bob2: I forget the --purge [05:49] <kozlyk> can someone give me a hand with my samba server? [05:49] <znh> bob2: Is there some way to see what kde-devel depends? [05:50] <bob2> apt-cache show kde-devel [05:50] <bob2> and use aptitude in future [05:50] <Razor-X> znh: I know you can in aptitude, not sure how in apt-get [05:50] <dabaR> simple: are you trying to add a boot entry for the gentoo? [05:50] <simple> dabar i don't think so [05:50] <simple> yeah [05:50] <dabaR> well, you never said that, at least as far as I can read(which is not much)_ [05:51] <simple> i asked adding an entry to grub? [05:51] <dabaR> simple: why not just install the gentoo grub to mbr? how does their install work, is it the same as ourse? [05:52] <dabaR> simple: did you ask on #gentoo? I think they would know this much better. [05:52] <simple> yeah [05:52] <simple> i'm going back and fourth [05:52] <dabaR> ok [05:52] <simple> ty [05:52] <jcsteele> deFrysk: that seemed to fix it a good bit...not perfect, but much better than before. thank you. [05:52] <dabaR> well, our grub menu is in /boot/grub/menu.lst [05:52] <jcsteele> now onto nsv stream playback.... [05:52] <dabaR> that is where I would add something to boot out of. [05:53] <dabaR> their entry for booting, they muight know. get someone to give you their entry, and modify it for the right hard drive. [05:53] <Hackmo> Can someone help me with a dvd-rom problem, when I put the dvd in the drive I wont get the option to view it [05:53] <Hackmo> it just takes me to a dvd burning program [05:53] <levander`> Anybody know what the difference between packet writing and UDF is? [05:53] <mknisely> Other than a Text editor, what is the Killer app for managing DNS Zones? [05:53] <bob2> UDF is a filesystem [05:53] <dabaR> Hackmo: sounds like a feature. Whre are you looking for this option? [05:53] <bob2> it's orthogonal to packet writing [05:53] <simple> i just wanted to make sure my logic wasn't flawed :D thanks dabaR [05:53] <levander`> bob2: what is packet writing? [05:54] <levander`> bob2: that's really where I'm confused [05:54] <bob2> writing things incrementally [05:54] <Razor-X> fish looks nice... ;) [05:54] <bob2> surely google could find you a definition? [05:54] <Last_in_Line> I am only downloading the postsql client with that command [05:54] <levander`> Hackmo: that's probably because you've inserted a blank dvd, try putting one in with a filesystem on it [05:54] <Hackmo> dabaR: when I put the dvd in the drive an icon comes on the desktop [05:54] <Hackmo> levander: it's not a blank dvd [05:54] <levander`> bob2: like the type of writing you need to write to a dvd? [05:54] <dabaR> simple: i think fstab has nothing to do with what you are trying to do, byut then again, I am not sure what you are trying to do other than adding a boot entry to grub, which would be done in /boot/grub/menu.lst. Also, I am not very knowledgeraqble </disclaimer> [05:55] <simple> yeah [05:55] <bob2> Last_in_Line: no, the postgresql package contains the daemon [05:55] <bob2> levander`: no, not need [05:55] <simple> i wasn't so familiar [05:55] <bob2> you can, tho [05:55] <simple> with that concept [05:55] <simple> but got it now [05:55] <simple> you're to me.. for i didn't know [05:55] <dabaR> Hackmo: I never saw an option to play the dvd in there. When inserted, the dvds should start a media player program. [05:55] <nariman> Razor-X [05:55] <yccheok> hi, may i noe anyone have experience of migrating code for pthread (LinuxThread) to NTPL? [05:55] <bob2> yccheok: #c [05:55] <mknisely> I'm not a fan of the media player in Ubuntu. I compile mplayer and use that to play my DVDs. [05:55] <bob2> yccheok: but you shouldn't have to modify anything [05:55] <Hackmo> dabaR: it's not a movie, it's a dvd disk with mp3's on it [05:55] <dabaR> simple: good luck. [05:55] <bob2> mknisely: mplayer is part of ubuntu, too [05:56] <dabaR> and you want to play it? [05:56] <kozlyk> can someone either help with samba, or point me to good reads? [05:56] <mknisely> Bob, not that I've seen... [05:56] <Last_in_Line> ok, hopefully today I can get that website to work... lol [05:56] <dabaR> or open it, or mount it? [05:56] <bob2> mknisely: well, it is, in multiverse [05:56] <neiras> Hey, everybody - here's a laugh courtesy of Windows Vista: http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/winvista_b1_47.jpg [05:56] <dabaR> open it, ok, wel.... [05:56] <mknisely> Bob: I do not believe that is correct, but I'll look again. [05:56] <dabaR> do this. open a terminal, and type in ls /media/cdrom0 [05:57] <dabaR> do this. open a terminal, and type in ls /media/cdrom1 [05:57] <levander`> bob2: the README.Debian for udftools says that "UDF (not packet writing) support is in kernels 2.4 and later". So, I guess this means I can use the UDF file system, but not write it to dvd's? [05:57] <dabaR> to see if there are files shown. [05:57] <Last_in_Line> Oh, is there a player for mpegs or mp3's? I can play cdroms is all on here [05:57] <selinium> what is the opposite to apt-get install? [05:57] <jowi> selinium, apt-get remove [05:57] <michael__> How do I hide rhythmbox in the taskbar? [05:57] <selinium> jowi: cheers [05:57] <dabaR> Hackmo: any files? [05:58] <dabaR> michael__: hide? like place it there instead of closing? [05:58] <dabaR> michael__: gnome-panel, btw. [05:58] <mknisely> Bob2 : Did a quick look on my Warty box and came up empty. [05:58] <mknisely> DNS management is my question. What's the killer app other than a text editor. [05:58] <Hackmo> dabaR: what? [05:58] <michael__> dabaR, I want it minimized, but not to show up in the panel... [05:59] <Last_in_Line> also I supposedly install about 70 games from the menu & only a couple showed up in games [05:59] <michael__> dabaR, like gaim... [05:59] <eth42> I just started an update, and there are loads of files updated from backports. Is this a good idea? I mean are those security updates or feature updates? (I'd prefer to have security updates only) [05:59] <dabaR> michael__: gaim shows up in the panel. [05:59] <dabaR> Hackmo: did you do what I told you? [06:00] <Razor-X> eth42: why not comment out backports and update then? [06:00] <dabaR> open a terminal, and type in ls /media/cdrom0, open a terminal, and type in ls /media/cdrom1 [06:00] <frank> eth42: mostly feature updates. I don't update unnecessarily using backports [06:00] <eth42> Razor-X: ok [06:00] <dabaR> Hackmo: ^ that will tell y ou if there are files on the dvd. [06:00] <bob2> levander`: you don't need to packet write to dvds [06:00] <michael__> dabaR, gaim is only visible in the notification area on my desktop... [06:00] <bob2> you're mxiing those two things up [06:00] <bob2> mknisely: indeed, not in warty [06:01] <michael__> Last_in_Line, rhythmbox? [06:01] <GNULinuxer> truz24, Hello! [06:01] <dabaR> michael__: screenshots? [06:01] <Hackmo> dabaR: when I do ls /media/cdrom0 it doesn't show any files and for cdrom1 it says doesn't exist [06:01] <levander`> bob2: can I mount them like regular partitions without packet writing? [06:02] <Earered> Last_in_Line, not all package have an entry in the menu, simply open a terminal and type the name of the soft to use it (and if you want to add an entry in the menu, smeg can help you) [06:02] <dabaR> Hackmo: how many drives do you have? [06:02] <michael__> dabaR, if you tell me how... fine. (:-) [06:02] <truz24> how do you change the time zone in ubuntu via cmd line / [06:02] <GNULinuxer> Nikopol, Hello! [06:02] <Hackmo> dabaR: one [06:02] <dabaR> Cant remember ion ubuntu, in the top menus you have take a screenshot under places, or something like that. [06:02] <dabaR> Hackmo: ok, well, is there a dvd icon on your desktop? [06:03] <levander`> bob2: like regular paritions, meaning modifying random files, etc. Not just write an image to them. [06:03] <Hackmo> dabaR: yeah [06:03] <mmoscosa> question... i installed skype but i get an error about a libqt-mt.s.3 erro [06:03] <nariman> Razor-X? [06:03] <dabaR> Hackmo: is the disc rw? [06:03] <mmoscosa> does anyone know what it is?! [06:03] <dabaR> mmoscosa: tell us the exact error, I think. [06:03] <Razor-X> nariman: hmmm? [06:03] <Razor-X> errr, not esh, wow, theres a seperate one tehre [06:04] <mmoscosa> debaR: skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [06:04] <dabaR> Hackmo: if the dvd is rw, then 100%iits empty. If it is r, 99% its empty. [06:04] <Goek> where can i turn up the master volume? [06:04] <eth42> why doesn't Ubuntu have those nice icons for Firefox and THunderbird? [06:04] <dabaR> michael__: did you find where to take a screenshot? [06:04] <Hackmo> dabaR: I just checked it in my other Ubuntu computer and it can read it fine [06:04] <Goek> nothing [06:05] <Hackmo> dabaR: show's all the files [06:05] <Goek> i found alsamicer [06:05] <Razor-X> I can't believe esh exists :( [06:05] <Razor-X> now I have to call it Eshell [06:05] <znh> Hmm, Kopete's IRC is nice [06:05] <Razor-X> what a pain in the ass, meh [06:05] <dabaR> Goek: is there a volume icon on your top panel? [06:05] <firestorm> Hey. Under ubuntu what is the recommended way of configuring kernels, moving to newer patches etc? [06:05] <jowi> mmoscosa, you need to install libqt3c102-mt [06:05] <mmoscosa> eth42 just download them, ay. ico or .png should do [06:05] <apokryphos> znh: takes long to load things, has bad reconnect capabilities, not many other potential IRC features. Konversation is better. [06:05] <dabaR> Hackmo: nice. Well, not sure, it would seem it is empty. [06:05] <eth42> mmoscosa: I did that, and they're so beatiful that I wonder why someone would deliberately not include them [06:06] <znh> apokryphos: works awesome for me, it's a good variant of Gaim [06:06] <apokryphos> znh: Kopete handles other protocols like MSN and AIM a lot better, suffice it to say. [06:06] <goldfish> znh: irssi ! [06:06] <dabaR> what with nautilus burn opening, and listing files showing no files. [06:06] <Goek> dabaR, yeah, i needed more than that and therefor found alsamixer [06:06] <apokryphos> goldfish: I think we can presume that he's got a DE running ;-) [06:06] <znh> godzirra: I hate copying texts with that [06:06] <mmoscosa> jowi: mmoscosa@mmoscosa:~$ sudo dpkg -i libqt3c102-mt [06:06] <mmoscosa> dpkg: error processing libqt3c102-mt (--install): [06:06] <mmoscosa> cannot access archive: No such file or directory [06:06] <mmoscosa> Errors were encountered while processing: [06:06] <mmoscosa> libqt3c102-mt [06:06] <bob2> levander`: you probably can't [06:06] <dabaR> Goek: and youre done>? [06:06] <skalpel> does anyone know of a way to make the sticky notes that appear with the sticky note app *not* always be on top? [06:06] <Hackmo> dabaR: the disk if defenetly not empy, any idea on what could be wrong? [06:06] <bob2> mmoscosa: the file is presumably not actually called libqt3c102-mt [06:06] <dabaR> mmoscosa: did you get this file yet? [06:06] <apokryphos> znh: seriously, it's worth trying Konvi. Pretty darn good. [06:06] <bob2> mmoscosa: also, why are you using dpkg for this? [06:07] <michael__> dabaR, I have one.... [06:07] <dabaR> Hackmo: agreed, it is not empty. No ideas. [06:07] <znh> apokryphos: Konvers... - what's the full name again [06:07] <eth42> skalpel: not possible; that's the new behavior; there's a request in bugzilla.gnome.org to restore the old behavior... [06:07] <dabaR> michael__: post it to the internet. [06:07] <goldfish> apokryphos: I still use irssi in a DE :) [06:07] <apokryphos> znh: Konversation. You can just sudo apt-get install [06:07] <Hackmo> dabaR: ok thanks for your help [06:07] <mmoscosa> bob2.... thats the comand i was teached to install :P hehe is it not that way? [06:07] <apokryphos> goldfish: :P [06:07] <Seveas> mmoscosa, don't paste in here [06:07] <dabaR> welcom [06:07] <znh> apokryphos: ok awesome will try [06:07] <michael__> dabaR, to where? [06:07] <Seveas> and use apt-get instal libqt3c102-mt [06:07] <apokryphos> goldfish: but why? [06:07] <bob2> mmoscosa: nope [06:07] <goldfish> apokryphos: i just like cli stuff [06:07] <bob2> mmoscosa: sudo aptitude install libqt3c102-mt [06:07] <mmoscosa> Seveas ok, sorry, wont do it again :* [06:07] <dabaR> michael__: use google to find a post pictures for free site [06:08] <apokryphos> goldfish: less is more 8) [06:08] <levander`> bob2: well, that's kind of the point of udf, it's a rewrite filesystem for dvdrw's and cdrw's [06:08] <jowi> bob2, it is called excactly libqt3c102-mt and is located on the install cd [06:08] <michael__> dabaR, could I send it to you directly within here? [06:08] <bob2> levander`: indeed [06:08] <eth42> is there a lean Gnome IRC app? I'm using xchat right now, and it seems quite complicated... [06:08] <bob2> jowi: yes, I know, but the file itself is not called that [06:08] <eth42> too much buttons, menus, options, etc [06:08] <goldfish> apokryphos: yep :) [06:08] <dabaR> likely not, yo uare free to try. or even likely yes, but I have no clue how. [06:08] <godzirra> znh: copying texts with what? [06:08] <mmoscosa> bob2 ohhh, is aptitude command for downloading and installing? and dpkg only for installing? [06:08] <skalpel> eth42: let me know if it changes, okay? [06:09] <Sponge_> uuu... Ubuntu doesn't like my palm m130. What can I do to make ubuntu and palm coexist pacifically? [06:09] <bob2> mmoscosa: just don't use dpkg, but yes [06:09] <znh> godzirra: irssi, I never get used to the middle mouse button copy&pase [06:09] <|rockinnerd|> eth42, BitchX [06:09] <Arnia> eth42: I use gaim for IRC [06:09] <|rockinnerd|> but it's console [06:09] <levander`> there's no way to ask the MOTU of the udftools package how to configure udftools for hoary? I haven't seen anyone on the internet get it working. But, have found only a few people try. [06:09] <eth42> skalpel: just look it up in bugzilla [06:09] <godzirra> ahh.. yeah.. I know what you mean [06:09] <Arnia> eth42: works very nicely [06:09] <|rockinnerd|> bitchx = console [06:09] <znh> trying Konversation now - bye [06:09] <mmoscosa> bob2 ok, cheers [06:09] <bob2> levander`: er, of course you can ask them [06:10] <levander`> bob2: er, how? [06:10] <bob2> levander`: but asking on the user list first is vastly preferable [06:10] <dabaR> bob2: why is ubuntu reocgnizing Hackmo's dvd as empty, and it has media(he checked on another comp)? [06:10] <eth42> Arnia: gaim is ok but it's designed for Instant Messaging; it took me some while to learn how to join a channel when there's no greeting page opened like on freenode [06:10] <levander`> bob2: is ubuntuforums the user list? I've got a post there. [06:10] <mmoscosa> one more question... how do i configure a wireless PCI card?! [06:10] <bob2> levander`: by emailing them? or finding them on irc? [06:10] <bob2> levander`: no, the forums is not a list [06:10] <bob2> dabaR: no idea, has he/she filed a bug? [06:10] <eth42> Arnia: (you have to join a channel via the Buddies list.... doesn't make sense to me) [06:10] <levander`> bob2: where's the user list, if this is the preferred communications channel [06:10] <eth42> |rockinnerd|: ok, thanks, I'll try that [06:11] <bob2> levander`: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ [06:11] <Sponge_> I need help with a palm m130. Any volunteers? [06:11] <dabaR> bob2: whats with the bugs all the sudden:) [06:11] <Hackmo> bob2: no i've not filled a bug incase it's just something stupid i'm missing [06:11] <znh> apokryphos: There ain't MSN in it [06:11] <bob2> Sponge_: it'd be a lot easier if you just stated your problem [06:11] <Last_in_Line> postsql fails to start too [06:11] <apokryphos> znh: of course -- it's just an IRC client. [06:11] <bob2> Last_in_Line: something is very broken on your system [06:11] <znh> apokryphos: oh ok, I thought it was a sort of Kopete like [06:11] <levander`> bob2: i thought the MOTU's worked for debian, the maintainer on the udftools package has a debian email address [06:12] <brian__> hi bob2 [06:12] <bob2> ah, the polite Mr Brian [06:12] <apokryphos> znh: oh, nope, sorry. Kopete could be decent enough for you -- just has a little few things that bug me in the IRC [06:12] <Arnia> eth42: fair enough. I find it more intuitive that way though (given that Jabber chatrooms are the same) [06:12] <Last_in_Line> Reload? [06:12] <bob2> how may I be useless today? [06:12] <Sponge_> bob2: I can't find the /dev/ttyUSB(whatever) on my kernel. I read something about the "udev" stuff, and I modified a file which was called 10-custom (or something like that)... [06:12] <brian__> im still working on this cedega thing [06:12] <jowi> bob2, filename is: pool/main/q/qt-x11-free/libqt3c102-mt_3.3.3-7ubuntu3_i38k.deb (my version that is) :-) [06:12] <Sponge_> bob2: But it didn't worked out... [06:12] <bob2> levander`: no, MOTU is not related to Debian [06:12] <brian__> lol [06:12] <tucoz> Hi, is there a ubuntu-version available with kernel version > 2.6.10? [06:12] <bob2> levander`: if you want to find out who touched it last, look at the changelog, /usr/share/doc/packagename/ [06:12] <jowi> i meant libqt3c102-mt_3.3.3-7ubuntu3_i386.deb [06:12] <bob2> tucoz: breezy, but it's very broken [06:13] <levander`> bob2: the MOTU for a universe package isn't the maintainer of the package listed in the .deb? [06:13] <bob2> levander`: often [06:13] <brian__> ahh well just tryin to give myself more incentive to get involved with linux [06:13] <levander`> bob2: often is not, or often is? [06:13] <Last_in_Line> Should I reload Ubuntu? or apt-get fix... lol [06:13] <znh> apokryphos: I think I stick with kopete, I like some global all in one client [06:13] <Last_in_Line> Nothing is ever easy [06:14] <bob2> Last_in_Line: explain to the channel exactly what youv'e changed since you installed fom a hoary cd [06:14] <tucoz> bob2: oh, ok. I just installed debian testing with the 2.6.11 kernel. Is it possible to install using expert mode and install a new kernel during the install process? [06:14] <brian__> are there less populated rooms for newb tards like me? [06:14] <apokryphos> znh: yes, that's the advantage of it. Integration is good :) [06:14] <bob2> levander`: often either way [06:14] <znh> apokryphos: I agree [06:14] <bob2> tucoz: yes, but simply [06:14] <Sponge_> Where is the damned /dev/ttyUSB(whatever) in ubuntu??? --- What can I do to get my palm synched??? [06:14] <Seveas> brian__, this is the channel for newbies to ask newbie questions :) [06:14] <bob2> Sponge_: that's nothing to do with ubuntu [06:14] <|rockinnerd|> Sponge_, evolutoin [06:14] <levander`> Last_in_Line: you're trying some pretty advance stuff for a newb, it's not gonna be easy doing it that way [06:14] <apokryphos> znh: well, advantage of kde as a whole, I might add :P [06:14] <tucoz> bob2: simply? [06:14] <bob2> Sponge_: perhaps it's not being detected, or the driver doesn't know about your model [06:14] <|rockinnerd|> or kpilot if u have kde [06:14] <bob2> tucoz: not simply [06:14] <znh> apokryphos: :/ [06:14] <brian__> yes but i cant even talk to you in red like you did to me [06:14] <ZibiKebir> i need help getting my wireless usb adapter working, can anybodu help [06:14] <|rockinnerd|> Sponge_, EVOLUTION [06:15] <nando_> hello [06:15] <Seveas> brian__, correct, that's simply impossible :) [06:15] <Seveas> brian__, if I say your name my line will be red [06:15] <pinucset> hi, one think. I've just installed ubuntu and i've installed nvidia drivers. How can i put 85hz? 60hz arent good... please reply :D [06:15] <brian__> ahh [06:15] <Seveas> (in your client) [06:15] <brian__> novel idead [06:15] <eth42> ZibiKebir: which one? [06:15] <znh> wtf who's name is hans here [06:15] <brian__> idea even [06:15] <znh> oh ojh [06:15] <Seveas> if you say my name, that line will be highlighted for me :) [06:15] <brian__> Seveas thanks [06:15] <tucoz> bob2: kindof guessed that :) Is it done the debian way? I need a kernel supporting my via sata vt6421, which seems to fail on 2.6.8 [06:15] <Last_in_Line> I downloaded most of the games, I have dancer-irc working & I have been fighting egroupware to run for a couple days, changed php globals to on.. [06:15] <znh> test 123 [06:15] <ZibiKebir> microsoft mn-510 [06:16] <brian__> Seveas, thanks [06:16] <Seveas> znh, hi :) [06:16] <pinucset> hi, one think. I've just installed ubuntu and i've installed nvidia drivers. How can i put 85hz? 60hz arent good... please reply :D [06:16] <brian__> is it red? [06:16] <|rockinnerd|> pinucset, xorgconfig [06:16] <Seveas> brian__, no yellow :) [06:16] <brian__> hmm [06:16] <|rockinnerd|> oops nvm [06:16] <eth42> ZibiKebir: ask Microsoft for a free software driver. [06:16] <Seveas> but that higlighting is configured on the client side :) [06:16] <eth42> ZibiKebir: sorry [06:16] <ZibiKebir> i have the driver and i installed it [06:16] <brian__> ahh [06:16] <ZibiKebir> hte device shows up in device manager [06:16] <brian__> thnx for the closure [06:16] <ZibiKebir> it shows up in lsusb [06:16] <tucoz> I'll just try the live-cd first [06:16] <eth42> ZibiKebir: and where's the problem [06:17] <ZibiKebir> i dont know how to configure it to get it working [06:17] <tucoz> bye [06:17] <brian__> heres a question [06:17] <ZibiKebir> pm me [06:18] <brian__> first one to anser gets a box of cracker jacks [06:18] <ToRTuReD_X> GOD DAMMIT [06:18] <eth42> ZibiKebir: what's the drivers name? [06:18] <brian__> how do i install cedega and point2play on this ubuntu [06:18] <ToRTuReD_X> batteries in mouse died agai [06:18] <ToRTuReD_X> again* [06:18] <ToRTuReD_X> :/ [06:18] <ZibiKebir> linux-wlan-ng [06:18] <Seveas> brian__, that's a tough one [06:18] <Seveas> brian__, search for 'cedega howto' on ubuntuforums.org [06:18] <barry> does any one know why ubuntu doesn't see my scsi drives [06:18] <ToRTuReD_X> ah screw it [06:18] <brian__> well that doesnt qualify for the prize [06:19] <Seveas> I know :) [06:19] <brian__> i have [06:19] <ToRTuReD_X> how do i change channels in xchat with the keyboard? [06:19] <eth42> ZibiKebir: sudo modprobe linux-wlan-ng should load the driver then [06:19] <Seveas> but it's the best I can do for you ;) [06:19] <brian__> this is all just so particular [06:19] <eth42> ZibiKebir: does it? [06:19] <brian__> which is great once its all configured [06:19] <|rockinnerd|> ToRTuReD_X, /join #channel [06:19] <ZibiKebir> no i tried that [06:19] <brian__> but i love the universal conveinience [06:19] <eth42> ZibiKebir: sudo lsmod | grep linux-wlan-ng should list the driver [06:19] <Seveas> brian__, the easy way is to pay the crators of cedega and get an easy-to-install installer [06:19] <Seveas> creators* [06:20] <brian__> iv'e already paid for it [06:20] <ZibiKebir> wait [06:20] <brian__> i ordered it last night [06:20] <ZibiKebir> i have a screen shot of it [06:20] <brian__> i got the 12 month sub [06:20] <Seveas> brian__, then they should have sent you instructions and an installer [06:20] <ZibiKebir> you wanna see it?> [06:20] <brian__> just conf emails on purchase [06:20] <eth42> ZibiKebir: eh, screenshot?? [06:20] <ZibiKebir> yh [06:20] <brian__> and there are installers [06:20] <eth42> ZibiKebir: where? [06:20] <ZibiKebir> you wanna see it? [06:20] <brian__> i just dont know which one [06:20] <ZibiKebir> one sec ill send it to you [06:20] <redguy> ToRTuReD_X: ctrl-pgup, ctrl-pgdown [06:20] <Micksa> will breezy go into feature freeze at a set date before release? [06:21] <Micksa> if so when? [06:21] <eth42> ZibiKebir: I thought IRC is text-based. [06:21] <eth42> ZibiKebir: hah! [06:21] <jowi> brian__, i used the debian installer which worked fine [06:21] <brian__> oh well [06:21] <highvoltage> eth42: it is [06:21] <brian__> really? [06:21] <ZibiKebir> but i can send you files [06:21] <brian__> outstandiong [06:21] <moparfan90_> i am trying to get shared files from a windows computer on my ubuntu computer. does anyone know how to do this? please help me [06:21] <Seveas> Micksa, it is, Breezy will go through various stages of freezing [06:21] <eth42> amazing [06:21] <BollocksMacenzie> Has anyone here installed FuhQuake? [06:21] <Seveas> in fact, upstream version freeze is already going on now [06:21] <BollocksMacenzie> Having trouble! [06:22] <eth42> but it won't be downloaded [06:22] <brian__> xorg see my video card but ati doenst have drivers [06:22] <brian__> under linux [06:22] <jowi> brian__, i need to bott my other pc though to make sure i'm not lying to you. the installer will put shortcuts for you in the gnome menu. [06:22] <eth42> although I accepted [06:22] <brian__> which is strange [06:22] <Micksa> Seveas: I have backed off my laptop from breezy to hoary. I'm wondering when a safe time is to upgrade again :) [06:22] <moparfan90_> i am trying to get shared files from a windows computer on my ubuntu computer. does anyone know how to do this? please help me [06:22] <ph8> initrd errors every time i try to install a kernel [06:22] <Micksa> (I'm getting other problems with hoary) [06:22] <ph8> in the install [06:22] <ph8> any ideas on how to fix it/ [06:22] <Dr_Willis> brian__, hmm what card? my X200 Mobility is in the same boat. [06:22] <Seveas> Micksa, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule [06:23] <brian__> damn thats the card i have [06:23] <ZibiKebir> can anybody else help me [06:23] <Seveas> ph8, how do you install the kernel? [06:23] <|rockinnerd|> ubuntu isn't in microsuck.com's list of linuxes [06:23] <eth42> ZibiKebir: I can help [06:23] <Seveas> ph8, did you compile it yourself [06:23] <eth42> ZibiKebir: but no screenshots perhaps... [06:23] <ph8> i've booted to CD [06:23] <Seveas> ? [06:23] <Micksa> ta [06:23] <BollocksMacenzie> FuhQuake installer keeps saying that I haven't got java virtual machine installed! When I have.. [06:23] <brian__> i have the rs200M [06:23] <ph8> about 7 options down the install menu [06:23] <brian__> on the 340M IGP/chipset [06:23] <ph8> on the install base system option [06:23] <moparfan90_> seveas, can you help me with getting shared files from my windows comp. to my ubuntu comp.??? [06:23] <brian__> which is confusing [06:23] <ph8> i get the option to pick one of three kernels, initrd errors on them all [06:24] <brian__> because if its a 340IGP then why does it say rs200M [06:24] <rototom> hello together [06:24] <Seveas> moparfan90_, sure [06:24] <rototom> which wlan acrd should I buy for my Ubuntu machine? [06:24] <brian__> i guess the 340 is the name of the BUS [06:24] <Micksa> wow, that's a lot of freezing :) [06:24] <Seveas> moparfan90_, menu: places -> connect to server [06:24] <Seveas> rototom, a card with atheros or intel chip [06:24] <moparfan90_> yeah... [06:24] <rototom> Seveas, thanks, what cards are it, or how can I find out? [06:24] <apokryphos> Seveas: it doesn't mention when the snapshots/arrays are gonna be released. Are they gonna happen? [06:24] <brian__> Dr_Willis what radeon core is in the 200 M [06:25] <Seveas> apokryphos, yes, but only when things are in a bit stable state and it's unpredictable when that happens :) [06:25] <tony> /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) [06:25] <tony> proc on /proc type proc (rw) [06:25] <tony> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) [06:25] <tony> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) [06:25] <tony> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) [06:25] <tony> none on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=5M,mode=0755) [06:25] <tony> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) [06:25] <tony> whitch is the my usb2.0 mp3 player -samsung yepp [06:25] <eth42> rototom: prism2 based if you want free drivers [06:25] <Seveas> tony, do NOT paste in here [06:25] <ZibiKebir> i installed the drivers for my wireless usb card, but when i try to change the settings for it mean assign it to my home network, it says no such devcie [06:26] <olivier> Hi, is there anything simple that I could do to get the full screen resolution that my monitor supports (1680x1050) ? [06:26] <ZibiKebir> its chipset is prism2 [06:26] <rototom> I want to simply use the card, without installing specific drivers [06:26] <ZibiKebir> i installed the linux-wlan0ng driver [06:26] <moparfan90_> seveas, what do i type in the server box?? [06:26] <brian__> would you all say that ubuntu is <or> other Linux OS built for Novice users and which and why [06:26] <eth42> ZibiKebir: so you try ifup eth0, or what? [06:26] <Seveas> rototom, these cars will work out of the box [06:26] <rototom> Are there cards which have drivers already in Ubuntu? [06:26] <ZibiKebir> no i didnt try it, ill go try right now [06:26] <Seveas> rototom, the cards listed at madwifi.sourceforge.net have an atheros chip [06:26] <eth42> rototom: my ipw2100 (Centrino) was installed by default [06:26] <ZibiKebir> but istn eth0 my ethernet card [06:26] <rototom> and they run out of the box? [06:26] <rototom> cool [06:27] <ph8> ok [06:27] <ph8> got to the console and found the errors [06:27] <Seveas> rototom, yes, I use atheros too :) [06:27] <dimitris> I'd say that ubuntu is a fine linux distro for new users (the apt-get system is ideal for newbies)! [06:27] <brian__> anyone tried quemu? [06:27] <ph8> errors were encountered while processing: postfix/at/mailx/mutt/postfix-tls/unbuntu-base [06:27] <ph8> dkpg error [06:27] <eth42> ZibiKebir: what did you do, ifup eth1, ifup wlan0? [06:27] <ph8> anyone seen that before? [06:27] <ZibiKebir> i didnt do anythign [06:27] <ZibiKebir> idont know what to do [06:27] <ZibiKebir> thats what im saying [06:27] <moparfan90_> seveas, it said "sorry cannot display content of this folder" what sould i do? [06:28] <brian__> you see my apt get always returns with permission errors [06:28] <brian__> how can I get superadmin rights all the time? [06:28] <Seveas> moparfan90_, did you give that menu the correct authentication information (user/pass) [06:28] <brian__> without having to specify for each ap [06:28] <Seveas> brian__, sudo -i [06:28] <moparfan90_> seveas, no [06:28] <Seveas> that will give you a root terminal [06:28] <michael__> dabaR, I got the solution... Interested? [06:28] <dimitris> I am a new user and never had any problems with my ubuntu. I use su apt-get install anything i want! [06:29] <Seveas> moparfan90_, then do so ;) (hang on) [06:29] <michael__> dabaR: single left click on the icon in the notification area... (:-O) [06:29] <olivier> is there a tool to see the hardware detected by ubuntu? [06:29] <dimitris> Never liked any other distro i tried so far. Ubuntu is by far the best one so far! [06:29] <Seveas> moparfan90_, select windows share from the menu, for server type in the ip-address of the windows machine, for share the name of the share. for username your account on that machine [06:30] <moparfan90_> seveas, theres no area for password????? [06:30] <Seveas> moparfan90_, it will ask for one [06:30] <brian__> thats cool dimitris but even for the newest users like me :), it can be a painstaking task to even LEARN [06:30] <moparfan90_> ok [06:30] <moparfan90_> seveas, what do i type for share?? [06:30] <dabaR> wow [06:31] <ph8> can anyone help me with this install? [06:31] <dimitris> brian__ have you tried any other distros that are tagged as user friendly like mandriva, fedora or suse? [06:31] <dos000> anyone explain why when i do netstat -plate i get "tcp 0 0 192.168.0.105:32846 72.14.207.104:www TIME_WAIT root 0 -" i dont have connections to google as root [06:31] <brian__> i have not [06:31] <dimitris> Never got them to work like i wanted (i would solve one problem and i would face 10 new :-) ) [06:32] <brian__> would it be better to start on a differnet OS? [06:32] <holycow> brian__, for what purpose? [06:32] <levosyan> hi [06:32] <python> i would say there are many linux distros like Ubuntu now [06:32] <dimitris> The unofficial ubuntu guide was a very good place for me when i started using ubuntu and helped me a lot! [06:32] <holycow> ubuntu is as easy as it gets [06:32] <moparfan90_> seveas, what do i type for shared???? [06:32] <python> Fedora aintmuch different [06:33] <holycow> python, there are no distros LIKE ubuntu [06:33] <ph8> I'm going to have to use debian unless someone can help me :/ [06:33] <Seveas> moparfan90_, the name of the Share [06:33] <moparfan90_> seveas, whats that mean? [06:33] <python> id argue with tht [06:33] <python> holycow [06:33] <Seveas> moparfan90_, the name you gave to the shared folder in windows [06:33] <|rockinnerd|> ph8,what's the problem [06:33] <moparfan90_> oo [06:33] <brian__> I am just so fed up with Microsoft and their territorial BS with this new WGA and all [06:33] <ph8> errors were encountered while processing: postfix/at/mailx/mutt/postfix-tls/unbuntu-base [06:33] <ph8> dkpg error [06:33] <python> MEPIS, Fedora, [06:33] <|rockinnerd|> !wga [06:33] <ubotu> |rockinnerd|: I give up, what is it? [06:33] <Seveas> moparfan90_, alternatively try this command: nautilus network:// [06:33] <ph8> in the 'install base files' option in the installer [06:33] <dimitris> Fedora comes with a ton of stuff you'll probably never need and i think it slows the whole system down [06:34] <holycow> python, fedora is not a distro, its a beta experiment [06:34] <Seveas> (in a shell) [06:34] <olivier> mmm, why does it look like I don't know the root password? [06:34] <holycow> fedora is utterly unuseable [06:34] <olivier> right after installing [06:34] <dimitris> For a new user messing with services that start on boot maybe a problem [06:34] <Seveas> olivier, because there is none :) [06:34] <|rockinnerd|> ph8, is it hoary, warty, or breezy? [06:34] <python> well yes its on cutting edge, [06:34] <Seveas> olivier: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo [06:34] <brian__> I run a computer store and if I can configure and run linux distros that are user friendly I will encourage my customers to make the switch [06:34] <ph8> |rockinnerd|: hoary [06:34] <Seveas> read that, it explains why :) [06:34] <holycow> mepis, yeah okay thats okay, it has some neat configuration utilities [06:34] <Despeeh> oliver there is root terminal [06:34] <Despeeh> open it and type passwd [06:34] <holycow> python, *cough* bullshit *cough* [06:34] <holycow> :) [06:34] <brian__> but it will take much time for me to learn but I am willing to [06:34] <olivier> ha, thanks :) [06:34] <holycow> ubuntu is cutting edge :) [06:34] <Seveas> Despeeh, do NOT advise people to do that... [06:34] <python> I think Ubuntu is great too [06:34] <dimitris> Then you should go for ubuntu [06:35] <|rockinnerd|> ph8, perhaps your media is corrupt [06:35] <zAo^> xfce4: Depends: xfwm4-themes (>= 4.2.1-1) but it is not going to be installed [06:35] <zAo^> :( [06:35] <|rockinnerd|> try re-burning the cd [06:35] <ph8> well looking at the errors [06:35] <Despeeh> seveas ok [06:35] <python> the best but i think all have a purpose [06:35] <ph8> unbuntu-base depends on at; however: [06:35] <ph8> Package at is not configured yet [06:35] <holycow> python, i'm not sayin ubuntu is 'best' or anything of the sort, it is what it is, by mandriva is not ubuntu and vice versa [06:35] <ph8> you think that looks like corrupt media? [06:35] <Seveas> ph8, that's a corrupt CD [06:35] <ph8> oh [06:35] <Seveas> check the md5sum of the iso before burning [06:35] <Seveas> and burn slowly (like 4x) [06:35] <ph8> will get back to you with that in a second [06:35] <moparfan90_> seveas, it said Sorry, couldn't display all the contents of "Shared Documents". [06:35] <ph8> what's the sum? [06:35] <moparfan90_> seveas, what sould i do??? [06:35] <olivier> what is the command to configure X? [06:36] <phixion> does quake 3 work out of the box in ubuntu? [06:36] <Seveas> olivier, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [06:36] <holycow> python, maybe i'm splitting hairs, okay there ARE a lot of distros going after the same type of user then [06:36] <holycow> :) [06:36] <brian__> basically 70% of my customers just need a computer for emailing and chat and internet [06:36] <olivier> thanks again :) [06:36] <Seveas> moparfan90_, you should find out if that share really exists on the windows machine [06:36] <brian__> and I think its more than possible to convert them [06:36] <|rockinnerd|> moparfan90_, have you logged in as one of your windows accounts? [06:36] <python> to be honest my main reason too choose ubuntu was its philosophy or vision [06:36] <holycow> brian__, ditto [06:36] <brian__> especially if I am telling them its what should be used [06:36] <moparfan90_> it didnt ask me for a password [06:36] <python> of using pure free software [06:37] <dimitris> Like i told you using ubuntu guide will get you doing those things in no time [06:37] <dimitris> Even for the new user [06:37] <holycow> python, mine was BECAUSE its basically debian with some elbow grease put into it for the desktop [06:37] <phixion> most linux distros do that python :o [06:37] <Seveas> python, multiverse / restricted are not pure free ;) [06:37] <python> i agree [06:37] <python> Debian tweaked [06:37] <|rockinnerd|> moparfan90_, type samba @ a terminal prompt [06:37] <holycow> not 'tweaked' [06:37] <python> and a good job too [06:37] <holycow> polished [06:37] <holycow> tweaked to me kinda smells of 'fork' [06:37] <python> ok [06:38] <holycow> i love the fact they actually freeze off of debian it self every 6 months [06:38] <python> i meant in regrads to install [06:38] <holycow> very important to me, maybe not others [06:38] <brian__> I want them to be happy, I want to be able to say "No you dont need an AntiVirus, thats only with Windows" [06:38] <holycow> python, install is the same, they both use di [06:38] <holycow> all that changes is the default repositories [06:38] <python> sure but debian takes you few a few other processes [06:38] <deFrysk> brian__, inti virus might be handy also in linux [06:38] <brian__> Oh no you dont need to worry about installing office programs or chat clients, its all right here [06:38] <Seveas> holycow, but ubuntu picks a lot of sane defaults where debian asks questions [06:38] <deFrysk> anti [06:38] <holycow> python, no it doesnt [06:38] <xinel> hey guys i have the weirdest problem and ive been reading the ubuntuforums for hours, when i boot into gnome there is two desktops one above the other. I find that changing the resolution fixes it but the resolution will not stay. Ive made the res i want the only one in xorg.conf and even set it in panel any ideas? [06:39] <holycow> okay, maybe i forgot all the debian questions [06:39] <holycow> haha python i'm sorry i'm sounding like a prick, i don't mean to [06:39] <brian__> really there are virus issues with linux? [06:39] <salil> hey.. people.... how can i install PERL.. which package is it..there're so many of them.. [06:39] <Seveas> brian__, not that much, due to the nature of linux security [06:39] <Seveas> salil, it's installed by default [06:39] <holycow> brian__, i have not heard of anyone ever finding a virus definition in the wild [06:39] <brian__> holycow , NICE [06:40] <holycow> if anyone is going to get a virus its the lindows folks tho [06:40] <dimitris> Well i was a windows user for a very long time. Now the only reason i log in windows is to play leisure suit larry and that because i was too lazy :-) to see if it works in cedega! [06:40] <python> Is anyone taking advantage of LAMP on there Linux box [06:40] <salil> well.. when i tried to install bluetooth support.. it said that perl was not installed.. !!! [06:40] <Seveas> holycow, yeah [06:40] <Seveas> lindows is crap [06:40] <holycow> they run everything as root [06:40] <holycow> *grrrr* [06:40] <Seveas> that SO defauta ALL security... [06:40] <Seveas> defeats* [06:40] <Seveas> man my spelling is weird :) [06:40] <brian__> I mean this could be a total revolution, the ease of use is unbelievable [06:40] <holycow> dimitris, :) cool, the switch isn't always easy, sometimes it is, welcome :) [06:40] <deFrysk> viruscanner might be handy for linux users wo forward files and mails to windows users [06:41] <salil> "configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool" ----- i'm getting this message.. [06:41] <salil> what does that mean..? [06:41] <holycow> brian__, the key to 'ease of use' is actually having a properly engineered underpinning [06:41] <brian__> ahh [06:41] <brian__> I see [06:41] <Seveas> salil, install libxml-parser-perl [06:41] <brian__> and common sense [06:41] <|rockinnerd|> s/lindows/linspire [06:41] <deFrysk> so in itself is a virusscanner in linux not a bad idea [06:41] <apokryphos> Seveas: I hear they have a really great package manager, though ;-) [06:41] <Dr_Willis> and users that can actually think :P [06:41] <tony> hello [06:41] <holycow> when people complain about unix not being easy to use, its simply because no one has put in the gui automation for the underneath stuff [06:41] <brian__> which Im starting to realize I still have some [06:41] <Seveas> |rockinnerd|, potayto potahto :) [06:41] <salil> thanks.. [06:41] <|rockinnerd|> :) [06:41] <brian__> even after my brain has been rotting for so long on Windows [06:41] <Seveas> :) [06:41] <Dr_Willis> "Linux FUNdamentals" [06:42] <holycow> its a lot of work, but the linux desktop experience can get very nice even for average users with enough guis and widgets and stuff [06:42] <dimitris> holycow the switch wasn't easy for me either until i installed Ubuntu. Like i said i tried many distros but now Ubuntu rulez my pc!!! :-) [06:42] <xinel> any ideas ppl? [06:42] <holycow> dimitris, yeah, i switched during sarge, i settled onto debian my self [06:42] <python> But why do new users want to use Linux [06:42] <holycow> but sarge requires quite a bit of work to get a smooth desktop [06:42] <|rockinnerd|> holycow, amen [06:42] <brian__> so cedega is a pretty compatible program [06:42] <|rockinnerd|> lol [06:42] <Seveas> fedore, brrrr [06:43] <holycow> ubuntu folks really have me convinced that this is a pretty good approach [06:43] <ajcool> i downloaded ubuntu-5.04-install-amd64 now how do i install it? [06:43] <holycow> ajcool, put the cdrom in, and reboot [06:43] <brian__> ahh [06:43] <holycow> :) [06:43] <|rockinnerd|> Seveas, i only did it b/c i knew nothing about linux, and bought "fedora core for dummies: [06:43] <ajcool> oh i have to burn it to a cd? can i mount it? [06:43] <deFrysk> ajcool, burn the iso to a cd not copy [06:43] <Seveas> ajcool, burn a cd from the iso, boot from that cd and have fun :) [06:43] <Razor-X> holycow: have you notice that the average #ubuntu user is getting smarter over time? [06:43] <Seveas> ajcool, if you are now on a 32bit kernel you cannot mount+install [06:43] <Dr_Willis> under windows the program "Burn At Once" is very handy for burning iso files. [06:44] <Razor-X> |rockinnerd|: as do I, but as a neccessity ;) [06:44] <holycow> ajcool, sure you can mount it, installation instructions vary depending on yoru setup. i am assuming your installing onto a wiped hd [06:44] <Seveas> |rockinnerd|, are there non-dummies using FC then? :) [06:44] <Razor-X> (dad) [06:44] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: are you serious ? :)
 [06:44] <Despeeh> started with chainsaw linux [06:44] <dimitris> The best thing in Linux for me when i found i could do something in linux that i thought i needed windows to do! Getting my tv-out working was the last obstacle to my linux switch! [06:44] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: hah, yeah [06:44] <deFrysk> lol Seveas [06:44] <ajcool> i can't install/mount from windows xp? [06:44] <Seveas> ajcool, nope [06:44] <ajcool> ok [06:44] <holycow> Razor-X, ehe [06:44] <Seveas> would be coolif that was possible, but it's not :) [06:44] <|rockinnerd|> i've also tried gentoo, slackware, suse, mepis, sarge debian, knoppix, DSlinux, [06:44] <holycow> Razor-X, the avergae question in this chan however, is remarkably different from the average question in #debian [06:44] <ajcool> seveas i heard the ubuntu is the best thats why im usin it hah, never used linux before in my life so i might have a lot of questions :) [06:45] <|rockinnerd|> bye Seveas [06:45] <holycow> the questions here are basically of the windows user category, how do i setup my network, how do i share files ... basic stuff [06:45] <Razor-X> holycow: I haven't been to #debian in ages [06:45] <deFrysk> ajcool, 472 people here , someone might know the answer [06:45] <python> I think its important that users coming to Linux should underrsatnd the ethical principles as to why we should use free software, to understand this will encourage people from not using propreiety software. [06:45] <Razor-X> #knoppix was a bit better back when I helped there [06:46] <Razor-X> now, I don't know [06:46] <root> Someone told me Ubuntu wouldnt have network but I set it up in a flash. heh.. time to log off root though. [06:46] <holycow> and watching the users here i'm convinced that linux can be polished up for the average user [06:46] <apokryphos> Razor-X: went downhill at your leave, I'm sure. ;-) [06:46] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: yes, #knoppix used to rock [06:46] <Razor-X> python: I think there are instances where proprietary software should be used, abeit not many [06:46] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: I remember you from there ;) [06:46] <python> i disagree Razor [06:47] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: dunno what happened in #knoppix - it went downhill after tech2k left I think [06:47] <python> ALL software should be Open [06:47] <salil> can anyone please tell me what this means..?? - configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH [06:47] <Razor-X> python: maybe that has to do with my governmental philosophy [06:47] <python> which is [06:47] <apokryphos> salil: sudo apt-get install build-essential [06:47] <Razor-X> well, until that happens, if there's a program I really want, I'll pay for it [06:47] <salil> okay.. i'll try. [06:47] <Razor-X> python: I don't think an ideal communistic world is nice [06:47] <ph8> Do you know if there's a windows binary to check md5sums? [06:47] <frank> python: that is not the main reason why I use linux and isn't the reason why people switch from windows to linux [06:48] <python> it is not communism [06:48] <Razor-X> there was one guy on #knoppix who tried to compile his emulator, but didn't know ``cd'' [06:48] <dimitris> ph8 there is. Dont actually remember now but google it [06:48] <python> communism forces you [06:48] <Razor-X> ;) [06:48] <Razor-X> python: no, that's actual communism, not ideal communism [06:48] <apokryphos> :| [06:48] <Razor-X> Ideal Communism == Marxism [06:48] <salil> i'm getting this error again.. --- E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) [06:48] <salil> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? [06:48] <thenostradamus> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1841067,00.asp [06:48] <python> It is not Communism [06:48] <Razor-X> salil: prepend a ``sudo'' [06:48] <thenostradamus> lmao [06:48] <apokryphos> salil: close all instances of synaptic [06:48] <salil> i did [06:48] <frank> python: pro software (engineering, scientific) are ok proprietary [06:48] <salil> ooh.. okay [06:48] <Razor-X> python: are you saying that just because communism is ``evil''? [06:48] <python> it is democracy [06:49] <Despeeh> do you have synaptic there running? salil :) at same time [06:49] <Despeeh> allways someone is faster [06:49] <Razor-X> in a truly open world, code belongs to no-one [06:49] <Razor-X> every person shares code [06:49] <python> no cause communism is a way of live tht is forced upon people, free software does not force anyone [06:49] <Razor-X> just like the concept of property in communism [06:49] <salil> yes.. i had synaptic running.. its working now.. C compiler is being installed.. [06:49] <apokryphos> Despeeh: 48ms, pow! :P [06:49] <Razor-X> python: communism has _nothing_ to do with force [06:49] <Despeeh> :) [06:50] <apokryphos> Despeeh: ok, it's going down now ;-) [06:50] <Razor-X> you're mixing Marxism with Stalinism, two different things [06:50] <python> More importantly the computing world needs open standards not M$ standards or proprietry standards [06:50] <salil> i'm getting a lot of errors.. [06:50] <salil> configure: error: Library requirements (gobject-2.0 glib-2.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. [06:50] <elsha> !root [06:50] <ubotu> root is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [06:50] <apokryphos> salil: what are you trying to compile? [06:51] <salil> a library for bluetooth support [06:51] <elsha> !su [06:51] <ubotu> Wish i knew, elsha [06:51] <frank> python: yeah goverments should not be using proprietary standards in any way [06:51] <salil> libbtctl-0.4.1-- this is the library i'm trying to compile [06:51] <ajcool> i burned ubuntu to a disk now how do i install, a wizard did not popup [06:51] <apokryphos> salil: try installing those things it says it doesn't have [06:51] <salil> where do i get them.. at synaptic..?? [06:52] <apokryphos> salil: yup [06:52] <salil> thanks.. i'll try.. [06:52] <apokryphos> salil: well, you should be able to. [06:52] <topyli> ajcool: boot the disk, it will start the installation [06:52] <salil> btw.. apokryphos.. how come.. your messages are in red..?? [06:52] <thoreauputic> ajcool: reboot and you should get an install screen [06:52] <olivier> hi again, how do I install a .deb package that I downloaded? [06:52] <ajcool> oh you have to reboot okay [06:52] <apokryphos> salil: heh, oh wait. You can get libbctl from the repositories -- no need to compile. [06:52] <dimitris> Well i am off (soccer match on tv!!!) [06:52] <frank> salil: happens when your name starts the line [06:52] <Razor-X> what's the difference between zsh and zsh30? [06:52] <salil> oh ... really..? [06:52] <apokryphos> salil: because my messages include your nick in them. That's what IRC does [06:53] <ajcool> will i beable to chose windows or linux when the computer starts then? [06:53] <apokryphos> !info libbctl1 [06:53] <levander`> I thought ubuntu was using the udev filesystem stuff? Is it not? [06:53] <salil> salil this is a test [06:53] <thoreauputic> olivier: sudo dpkg -i <package> [06:53] <salil> salil: this is a test [06:53] <Razor-X> levander`: it uses ext3, as do most modern Linux distributions [06:53] <olivier> thoreauputic, thanks [06:53] <salil> doesn't work when i send message to myself..?? [06:53] <salil> :P [06:53] <apokryphos> salil: it won't to yourself, no. [06:53] <salil> lol [06:53] <salil> just trying.. [06:53] <|rockinnerd|> !libbctl1 [06:53] <ubotu> |rockinnerd|: Are you smoking crack? [06:53] <apokryphos> !info libbtctl1 [06:53] <thoreauputic> olivier: but you probably didn;t need to since most stuff is in synaptic/apt [06:53] <levander`> Razor-X: no udev is just for /dev, it's not a general purpose filesystem [06:53] <Razor-X> I see all names bolded in white, except the names I type that are bolded in red [06:53] <ubotu> libbtctl1: (GObject Bluetooth library), section universe/libs, is optional. Version: 0.4.1-1ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 116 kB [06:53] <topyli> olivier: why are you downloading debs? what package is that? [06:53] <Razor-X> !info zsh30 [06:54] <ubotu> zsh30: (A shell with lots of features), section universe/shells, is optional. Version: 3.0.8-11 (hoary), Packaged size: 447 kB, Installed size: 864 kB [06:54] <Razor-X> !info zsh [06:54] <apokryphos> salil: there.. try installing that package. It's in Universe. You'll have to enable it if you haven't done so already [06:54] <ubotu> zsh: (A shell with lots of features), section shells, is optional. Version: 4.2.1-15ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 1949 kB, Installed size: 5816 kB [06:54] <|rockinnerd|> stop abusing ubotu [06:54] <|rockinnerd|> lol [06:54] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell salil about repositories [06:54] <olivier> skype [06:54] <Razor-X> |rockinnerd|: i'm not [06:54] <|rockinnerd|> ok [06:54] <salil> i have.. [06:54] <|rockinnerd|> !repositories [06:54] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos [06:54] <Razor-X> I'm looking for the difference between the two packages [06:54] <deprave> ladies and gentlemen, AOL on linux! [06:54] <topyli> olivier: oh yes, that is an exception [06:54] <salil> no no.. i already started it.. [06:54] <Razor-X> all I can see is filesize... :( [06:54] <|rockinnerd|> where? [06:54] <thoreauputic> olivier: ah that's Ok then if it's statically compiled [06:54] <|rockinnerd|> aol bloze [06:54] <|rockinnerd|> imho [06:54] <olivier> anyway, it was a wrong download .... [06:54] <salil> but.. i still have to install something this -> gnome-bluetooth-0.5.1 [06:55] <deprave> uh for dialup, this is the fastest dialup i've ever had [06:55] <|rockinnerd|> http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialAOL.html here we are [06:55] <apokryphos> salil: is that why you were trying to install those libraries? [06:55] <thoreauputic> olivier: there's an apt sources line for skype by the way [06:55] <salil> yes.. [06:55] <apokryphos> salil: ahh. That's int he repositories too. Just click to install it and it will resolve all dependencies for you [06:55] <salil> apokryphos: yes. [06:55] <olivier> thoreauputic, is there a version for IA64? [06:55] <salil> ooh.. [06:55] <apokryphos> salil: no dependency hell as with compiling :) [06:55] <salil> let me try [06:56] <levander`> How can I tell if my system is using "udev"? [06:56] <thoreauputic> olivier: ah, that I don't know, sorry [06:56] <topyli> levander`: if it's ubuntu, it should [06:56] <salil> apokryphos : got it.. thanks [06:56] <apokryphos> cool [06:57] <levander`> topyli: okay, fair enough [06:57] <olivier> so, with ubuntu IA64 I can't run x86 programs? [06:57] <apokryphos> salil: as a note, you can use tab for autocompletion of nicks in IRC. i.e. sal-<tab> [06:57] <thoreauputic> olivier: here's the line - you could go have a look if there's an amd64 version [06:57] <thoreauputic> deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free [06:57] <salil> apokryphos : ooh.. i didn't know that.. [06:57] <olivier> thoreauputic, thanks [06:57] <thoreauputic> olivier: I think probably not [06:57] <salil> apokryphos, thanks [06:58] <apokryphos> no worries [06:58] <frank> olivier: that's amd64 not IA64 [06:58] <salil> apokryphos, can you tell me how do i enable bluetooth device..? [06:58] <chris___2> I got the Network setup but now that the system boots with internet gnome doesn't start a session. [06:58] <apokryphos> salil: after it's installed? I wouldn't know, sorry (don't use bluetooth). Others here may know. [06:59] <ajcool> what is ppc linux? [06:59] <olivier> frank : ok :) [06:59] <LeeColleton> the topic says NOT to use breezy yet, why? [06:59] <hybrid_goth> ajcool: linux on mac hardware [06:59] <nalioth> ajcool: linux for mac hardware (and some IBM hardware) [06:59] <^thehatsrule^> powerpc [07:00] <ajcool> oh okay [07:00] <Dr_Willis> LeeColleton, it promotes global warming. [07:00] <thoreauputic> chris___2: is loopback enabled in /etc/network/interfaces ? ( 127.0.0.1 ) [07:00] <salil> apokryphos, all the things are already installed but.. i don't know how to use them.. :( [07:00] <jeremywhiting> hi all [07:00] <LeeColleton> is it just a head on a stick to scare off the faint of heart? [07:00] <apokryphos> salil: alt+f2 -> gnome-bluetooth ..perhaps? [07:00] <olivier> so, is there something like a x86 emulator? or it doesn't make sense at all ? [07:01] <jeremywhiting> anyone know if there's a way to convert a debian box to ubuntu? [07:01] <LeeColleton> or are there still too many crashes/usability issues [07:01] <salil> got it.. [07:01] <apokryphos> salil: there should ideally be something about it in the menu, though I don't really know how gnome works. [07:01] <apokryphos> cool [07:01] <chris___2> iface lo inet loopback <- Is that it? [07:01] <salil> its gnome-bluetooth-manager [07:01] <frank> LeeColleton: basically, that and if you run into trouble (you will, X is broken) you're on your own [07:02] <thoreauputic> olivier: there's a howto on the wiki for a chroot x86 I seem to recall [07:02] <CoffeeBreaks> bob2: (follow up from yesterday) I finally installed ubuntu on the SATA disk using a temporary IDE disk, then manually installed 2.6.12.3 then copied system onto SATA disk + chroot/mkinitrd/grub magic. thanks [07:02] <phixion> is breezy avail for download yet btw? [07:02] <thoreauputic> chris___2: that looks like it , yeah [07:02] <chris___2> Im guessing my video card isn't well supported, I have a Radeon 9000/64meg gnome started up now but it waited a long time. [07:02] <chris___2> everytime I use a GL X-screensaver I get a black screen of death pretty much. [07:03] <thoreauputic> !drivers [07:03] <p1tst0p> hi, is there a way, to have 2 ethernet cards in linux, both with a seperate cable modem attached, and enable some kind of load balancing to merge the bandwidth of the 2 modems ? [07:03] <ubotu> drivers is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowto [07:03] <salil> apokryphos, it did install.. but its not detecting my adapter.. !! [07:03] <topyli> phixion: i don't think so. you can only upgrade from hoary if you don't mind a broken system [07:03] <phixion> ok thx [07:03] <thoreauputic> chris___2: the binary drivers URL above might help [07:03] <Kimppa> Hello. I have this weird problem. I have two screens (tft and crt) attached to my video card. Both are showing the same view, so they are dublicates. My problem is when I try to view an video file. CRT will show it properly but the TFT screen just show black :-/ [07:03] <LeeColleton> frank: so it should say BREEZY NOT SUPPORTED (YET) [07:04] <LeeColleton> I mean, the whole idea is that we should use it and test for buggage, right? [07:04] <apokryphos> salil: heh [07:04] <stan-am> hello everyone [07:04] <stan-am> is anybody having problems with google n gmail? [07:04] <topyli> LeeColleton: then you should really be chatting at #ubuntu-devel. i don't think their topic has this warning :) [07:04] <frank> LeeColleton: yeah but that would lead people to think that it actually works, which for many (well me at least) it doesn't [07:05] <thoreauputic> LeeColleton: sure but currently you need to be a developer or very clued to use breezy in practical terms [07:06] <vatore> LeeColleton: what's your gmail problem? isn't it browser-related? [07:06] <stan-am> is anybody having problems with google n gmail? [07:07] <hybrid_goth> stan-am: like? [07:07] <thoreauputic> stan-am: please don't repeat [07:07] <vatore> oh sorry that's your question [07:07] <stan-am> like does pages not loading [07:07] <stan-am> just those [07:07] <vatore> what browser? [07:07] <vatore> did you try another browser? [07:07] <stan-am> firefox [07:08] <vatore> stan-am: I think that's not related to Ubuntu... [07:08] <ds_> it works fine with me. [07:08] <vatore> me too [07:09] <ds_> but sometimes I get those errors with Safari, just close the browser and re login to gmail. [07:11] <deprave> is it difficult to mount another hard drive and use it for spare storage space in ubuntu [07:11] <thenuke> deprave: no [07:11] <hybrid_goth> nah [07:11] <deprave> cool [07:12] <deprave> thanks [07:12] <delire> deprave: it involves adding a single line to /etc/fstab [07:12] <deprave> solid. [07:12] <thenuke> rock [07:12] <deprave> when i run out of space i shall do so. [07:12] <deprave> because i'm lazy like that. [07:12] <Ziggity> Help [07:12] <thenuke> deprave: :) [07:12] <Ziggity> Firefix stopped working [07:13] <nalioth> delire: for a "normally" one-shot editing session? [07:13] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: more info required... [07:14] <delire> nalioth: i don't think it's so one-shot. it could be given the context of 'manage storage devices' and provide interface to other services, like DMA and partition naming. [07:14] <Ziggity> click the Icon to start it - task bar sez starting Firefox .. then nothing happens.. [07:14] <olivier> how can I add an entry to the PATH variable? (once for all) [07:14] <tommi^> Hi. I have installed openoffice.org-gnomevfs package but the oo.org file dialog still isn't the gnome one and I can't access vfs'. What can I do? Thanks [07:15] <Belutz> Seveas: hai! :D do you know how to load ubuntu live CD where the CD ROM is in RAID? [07:15] <olivier> ha nevermind .... [07:15] <stan-am> hey guys, im experiencing some very slow browsing speed with any browser, can anyone giveme a hand? [07:15] <goldfish> stan-am: firefox? [07:15] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: run firefox froma terminal and see if there are errors [07:15] <goldfish> oh any [07:15] <levander`> I installed a new kernel during the last upgrade, but haven't rebooted. I'm not running it yet am I? [07:15] <nalioth> delire: a multifaceted gui interface is a good idea "./system_guts_spanner" [07:15] <deprave> stan-am: IPv6? [07:15] <goldfish> stan-am: turn off ipv6 in them [07:15] <delire> Belutz: hmm, good question. [07:16] <thoreauputic> olivier: edit /etc/bash,bashrc [07:16] <nalioth> levander`: not yet [07:16] <stan-am> how do i o that? [07:16] <jowi> Ziggity, you can try to type in 'killall firefox-bin' then restart firefox again [07:16] <delire> nalioth: agreed, while SuSE is a little shite in other areas, it's Yast interface does provide this. [07:16] <Belutz> delire: yup... i want to try the ubuntu in my PC first, but got problem with that [07:16] <levander`> nalioth: would uname -a repot the version of the new kernel, or the kernel I'm still running? [07:16] <stan-am> is there a command like : " ipconfig /flushdns" on linux? [07:16] <vatore> stan-am: or try to use/disable/change proxy (depends on your actual configuration) [07:16] <nalioth> delire: YAST is either santified or vilified [07:16] <nalioth> levander`: your running one, i'd assume [07:16] <delire> nalioth: true [07:17] <thoreauputic> levander`: the current running kernel [07:17] <levander`> stan-am: you could try restarting your dhclient [07:17] <delire> Belutz: it's been along time since i've used RAID. i don't think i can offer useful help. [07:17] <Gourami> what do I need to install for mplayer to play dvd's ? [07:17] <psychonate> Gourami, libdvdcss. [07:17] <stan-am> how do i do that levander? [07:17] <nalioths_dog> Gourami: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support [07:17] <thoreauputic> Gourami: probably libdvdcss2 [07:17] <Gourami> psychonate: [07:17] <delire> stan-am: if you 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart' does the slow down continue? [07:17] <Gourami> already installed [07:17] <Belutz> delire: it's ok... in the forums just discussing about hdd that is on RAID, not CD ROM drives [07:17] <Goek> Gourami, use synaptic [07:17] <stan-am> let me see delire [07:18] <psychonate> Gourami, is mplayer crashing? [07:18] <delire> Belutz: ahah [07:18] <levander`> nalioth: thoreauputic: but 'uname -a' reports 2.6.10 and I don't see a kernel with a higher version number than that in /boot [07:18] <Gourami> I installed libdvd with vlc but then installed mplayer afterwards [07:18] <psychonate> Gourami, does mplayer crash when you try to play DVDs? [07:19] <thoreauputic> levander`: it doesn't report that, it reports more [07:19] <digitalfox|sleep> psychonate, it does for me [07:19] <psychonate> Gourami, there is a bug that affects many it seems, where mplayer crashes when it encounters AC3 audio. That could be your problem as well. [07:19] <levander`> is there any file in /proc that reports the kernel running so I can double check? Maybe I am running the new kernael, even though I know I haven't rebooted. [07:19] <Gourami> psychonate: when I start up I get a face/font error and when I try play a dvd I get Fatal could not initialise [07:19] <psychonate> The bug isn't filed in the bugzilla yet though. [07:19] <delire> stan-am: also, run 'top' and see if it's the browser that's eating system resources. i find that heavy flash sites can really slow down my system. also too many embedded java applets. [07:19] <levander`> thoreauputic: Linux bread 2.6.10-5-686-smp #1 SMP Tue Jun 7 09:34:54 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux [07:19] <thoreauputic> levander`: for instance, 2.6.10-5-686 [07:19] <devios_> what app is everyone using in ubuntu for NNTP and ripping binaries out of NNTP? [07:20] <psychonate> Gourami, the font face thing is easily fixable [07:20] <thoreauputic> levander`: what are you expecting to see? [07:20] <levander`> thoreauputic: the only other kernel is a 2.6.8 smp [07:20] <nalioth> devios_: i use Pan for my nntp purposes [07:20] <thoreauputic> levander`: and? [07:20] <Gourami> vlc was working but everyone said that mplayer was sooo fantastic [07:20] <Gourami> I cant open a .ts or a dvd [07:20] <levander`> thoreauputic: well, since I've installed a new kernel with my last update, but haven't rebooted yet, i'd expect to find a higher kernel version than I'm currently running, as stated above. [07:20] <psychonate> Mplayer is fantastic, but actually IMO XINE is the best for DVDs. [07:21] <delire> Gourami: have you tried 'mplayer dvd://'? [07:21] <thoreauputic> levander`: ah I see what you mean now [07:21] <psychonate> Gourami, it normally can open DVDs, but I can't get the Ubuntu build to do it. It crashes for me everytime it encounters AC3. [07:21] <chaps0063> Any reason why open office wouldn't work for me off default install? [07:21] <delire> psychonate: ouch [07:21] <Gourami> delire ? [07:21] <psychonate> delire, it's a common problem in Ubuntu apparently. [07:22] <levander`> I must be running the new kernel somehow. If I search packages.ubuntu.com will it tell me the latest kernels in hoary? [07:22] <tommi^> I have installed openoffice.org-gnomevfs package but the oo.org file dialog still isn't the gnome one and I can't access vfs'. What can I do? Thanks (last repost) [07:22] <psychonate> delire, I suppose I should file a bug. [07:22] <delire> psychonate: hmm, wonder why that is.. [07:22] <thoreauputic> levander`: check what you have in /var/cache/apt/archives [07:22] <chaps0063> it just freezes and I can't get into OO word or anything [07:22] <delire> psychonate: if it's as reproduceable as you say, then definitely. [07:22] <thoreauputic> levander`: there's no way your kernel can change without a reboot [07:22] <psychonate> delire, sure, I'll show you something [07:23] <Gourami> delire: MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio [07:23] <Gourami> - MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM. [07:23] <frank> I don't think mplayer has dvd menu support, does it? [07:23] <delire> Gourami: ouch.. and this same dvd plays in vlc? [07:23] <salil> does anyone know.. how to uninstall KUBUNTU.....?? [07:23] <psychonate> delire, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46138&highlight=mplayer+dvd+crash [07:23] <Gourami> delire: yes [07:24] <jowi> salil, format the partition? [07:24] <levander`> well, packages.ubuntu.com says that 2.6.11 is the latest kernel. That must have been the one I installed with the last update. Does it just get put in /boot after I reboot the first time? [07:24] <thoreauputic> levander`: if it's a patch on an existing version you may only see the difference in the full package name as on the .deb [07:24] <psychonate> delire, basically, one can compile mplayer from scratch to fix the problem. The Ubuntu build uses Ubuntu's libavcodec rather than the one included with mplayer. This causes problems. [07:24] <chaps0063> would anyone know why openoffice fails to open completely? [07:24] <frank> salil: you mean so you only have ubuntu with no kde? [07:24] <thoreauputic> levander`: 2.6.11 is deprecated and will never be installed unless you chose it [07:25] <psychonate> delire, but if one compiles mplayer from scratch, it won't be managed by apt :( [07:25] <delire> Gourami: apparently this is a known problem. psychonate has posted the exact same issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46138&highlight=mplayer+dvd+crash [07:25] <psychonate> delire, well, I didn't even post that. [07:25] <thoreauputic> levander`: 2,6,11 is unsupported and buggy [07:25] <delire> psychonate: oh.. didn't read the nick ;) [07:25] <psychonate> delire, but that is the same problem. It's very common it seems. [07:25] <levander`> thoreauputic: i think the kernel update just incremented the value reported by uname, even though I'm not running it yet... [07:26] <thoreauputic> *sigh* uname -a reports the *running* kernel [07:26] <Gourami> alsa-uninit: pcm closed [07:26] <psychonate> delire, I tried using that guy's patch (mentioned in one of the posts in that thread), but I don't know how to use 'dpatch' [07:26] <levander`> thoreauputic: well, I updated half an hour ago, i saw a new kernel installed, and I know I haven't rebooted in the last hour [07:27] <Gourami> psychonate: not using a notebook are you ? [07:27] <skalpel> thoreaputic: so what is thoreapy anyway? [07:27] <thoreauputic> levander`: check the date >> uname -v [07:27] <psychonate> Gourami, no. [07:28] <thoreauputic> skalpel: think of henry David Thoreau and Civil Disobedience ;) [07:28] <levander`> thoreauputic: Tuesday, June 7 is the date on uname -v [07:28] <xinel> okies its definately my resolution not staying default [07:28] <xinel> :E [07:28] <delire> psychonate: perhaps just use 'patch -p0 < patchfile'? [07:28] <thoreauputic> levander`: that's not a new kernel [07:28] <skalpel> who is henry david thoreau? [07:28] <delire> a writer i believe [07:28] <thoreauputic> levander`: same date as mine (not updated) [07:29] <thoreauputic> 03:29:00 up 35 days, 11:47, 2 users, load average: 0.56, 0.27, 0.13 [07:29] <psychonate> delire, that is a patch for a patchfile, but it won't work. Even so, I patched the patchfile by hand then. But I don't know how to use the newly patched patcfile lol [07:29] <nn> how do i make a window transparent in xorg?\ [07:29] <levander`> there's a log file of the packages I installed of that last update I ran, maybe I misread a package name. [07:29] <psychonate> s/patcfile/patchfile [07:29] <levander`> there's a log file? [07:29] <delire> skalpel: or possibly a certain 'thoreauputic' [07:29] <psychonate> delire, the patchfile we're patching is for some program called 'dpatch', and I have no idea how to use it. [07:30] <delire> psychonate: oh, never used 'dpatch' [07:31] <delire> skalpel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoreau [07:32] <Gourami> what is the best format to rip dvd to ? [07:32] <psychonate> well, personally, I use XINE for DVD, and mplayer for everything else. But DVDs aren't the only files with AC3 :( [07:32] <thenuke> Gourami: propably xvid [07:32] <enyc_> 'gour: depends what you trying to do with it ;-) [07:32] <delire> Gourami: ogg or xvid [07:32] <Gourami> havent seen xvid in vlc lemme check [07:32] <psychonate> ogg=container ;) [07:32] <enyc_> 'gour: e.g. trying to copy to another dvd, trying to keep for laer viewing / record-as-small(er)-file, or keep vfor viewing and write to another DVD later maybe ;p [07:33] <delire> psychonate: ok ok 'theora' ;) [07:33] <psychonate> :) ty [07:33] <psychonate> I still haven't tried theora [07:33] <psychonate> I trust XviD [07:33] <Gourami> no xvid in vlc [07:33] <Gourami> vlc does ogg, will try it out [07:33] <enyc_> theora works... its somewhat buggy/incomplete-implementaations though [07:33] <enyc_> 'e.g. mplayer doesnt seem to "scale" a theora video [07:34] <delire> enyc_: hmm [07:34] <psychonate> For one-CD rips, I think the best I've used was XviD + Vorbis in a matroska container [07:34] <psychonate> least overhead with maximum functionality IMO [07:34] <delire> hah matroska. this is popular currently. [07:34] <Gourami> what do you mean by container ? [07:34] <delire> bubbling up from the swamp.. [07:35] <psychonate> Gourami, for instance, AVI is a container [07:35] <psychonate> it "holds" the audio/video streams [07:35] <Gourami> ok container=format ? [07:35] <delire> Gourami: it provides header information largely, and regulates playback. you probably know it as format yes. [07:35] <Gourami> ok [07:36] <psychonate> I always liked dvd::rip, but I don't really use that stuff much anymore [07:36] <nn> this is an interesting conversation as i'm writing a media player right now [07:36] <nn> designed for our handheld offering :) [07:36] <psychonate> nice [07:36] <delire> nn: good.. [07:36] <nn> got a long while til it's usable tho [07:37] <delire> psychonate: gtanscode is worth a look, though i think kmenc15 and dvd:rip are fabulous [07:37] <psychonate> I like a media player that can play anything I need, which is I why it bugs me that my mplayer crashes heh [07:37] <nn> but trying to find a "native" media format that's open and good quality for size on 640x480 (7" wide-screen) [07:37] <delire> psychonate: *gtranscode to be corrent [07:38] <psychonate> I might check them out sometime, but I haven't had to encode anything for months now heh [07:38] <nn> bblbbiab [07:38] <psychonate> except for my audio CDs :) [07:38] <delire> psychonate: well, here on debian it's been years since i've had issues with mplayer. [07:39] <psychonate> I was thinking about trying unstable [07:39] <psychonate> bu I think I'm going to go with LFS, instead, for a learning experience [07:39] <psychonate> (I have a spare, older box I'm going to use) [07:39] <psychonate> s/bu/but [07:39] <xinel> okies its gnome that keeps changing my resolution :E [07:40] <delire> psychonate: a good move. ubuntu has defaults far more sensible than debian for desktop users, but frankly i love a good debian testing/unstable mix. [07:40] <delire> psychonate: linux from scratch will teach you a great deal. [07:40] <fabbione> does anybody know if evolution can work together with spamassassin? [07:41] <fabbione> i recall we did something about it.. but i don't remember the details... [07:41] <psychonate> Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for. [07:41] <delire> fabbione: i believe so, esp a combo of procmail with a mail transport agent like exim. [07:41] <psychonate> Gentoo taught me a good deal; I feel that LFS is the next logical step. [07:42] <xinel> okies i have one setting in xorg "1280x1024" and gnome keeps restarting in 1024x768 [07:42] <xinel> :( [07:42] <fabbione> delire: i know that kind of combination. i mean if evo can interface directly with spamassassin [07:42] <delire> fabbione: it's been years, i don't know. [07:42] <topyli> psychonate: or build a gnu/hurd box :) [07:42] <psychonate> topyli, that may be a bit above me yet lol [07:42] <delire> psychonate: or try Plan9 ;) [07:43] <DaSkreech> psychonate: Is'nt LFS a fairly obvious step? [07:43] <xyz> Hey everyone. [07:43] <psychonate> DaSkreech, I suppose so [07:44] <delire> fabbione: http://krath.dk/linux/evolution_spamfilter/ [07:44] <levander`> okay, so I finally got my devices created for packet writing! [07:44] <delire> levander`: lovely! [07:45] <levander`> but, i have a slower disc in the drive than what the drive supports and cdrwtool is reporting it's setting to a faster writing speed than the disc supports. Any way to lower this? [07:45] <elph0> hi all [07:45] <fabbione> delire: thanks [07:46] <Gourami> I cant open firestarter Failed to run /usr/sbin/firestarter: [07:46] <Gourami> Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file. [07:46] <delire> fabbione: anytime [07:47] <levander`> well, unfortunately, the fact that I got that device file written means nothing, i still can't write dvd discs [07:47] <Jet2k5> hello everyone [07:47] <thenuke> hlo [07:47] <topyli> Gourami: from the menu? [07:48] <Gourami> yes topyli [07:48] <Goek> Hey. i wanna open my torrent by default with azurues and not bittorent-gnome-thingie [07:48] <Goek> what to do? [07:48] <ph8> Seveas: Why do you recommend burning slowly? [07:48] <topyli> Gourami: try from a terminal just for the hell of it :) [07:48] <Jet2k5> Guys tell me if you consider this a bug: I open synaptic to remove a package. While I have that little menu to " remove, complete removal " I can't control sounds. [07:49] <reagleBRKLN> how to install openoffice.org2? i have openoffice.org2-debian-files, openoffice.org2, openoffice.org2-writer, etc. but no exectuable files [07:49] <reagleBRKLN> nothin in bin [07:49] <`psycho> how do i enable ident serv? [07:49] <Gourami> topyli: I get told I have to be sudo [07:50] <topyli> Gourami: well, use sudo :) [07:50] <delire> Goek: i believe you can manipulate mime-types/default applications in Gnome using a GUI interface. i haven't got Gnome handy however to assist. [07:50] <topyli> reagleBRKLN: where did you get the packages? apt from ubuntu repositories? [07:50] <Gourami> topyli: but why suddenly ? and wont run from the menu ? [07:50] <AlexBO> Hello! I would like to download KDevelop with synaptic, but there are two packages: Kdevelop (An IDE for Unix/X11) and KDevelop3 (An IDE for Unix/X11 - development version).Which are the differences? [07:50] <Gourami> it runs with sudo from terminal [07:51] <reagleBRKLN> topyli: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe [07:51] <delire> Gourami: sudo == do as super-user (or "super user do"). this is used for executing commands that require administrative priveledges. [07:51] <Goek> delire, ok [07:51] <topyli> Gourami: you do need root privileges. the menu entry uses gksudo too [07:51] <Goek> thanks anyway [07:51] <jasoncohen> reagleBRKLN, if you installed openoffice.org2 you should see openoffice.org2 entries in applications > office menu [07:51] <jasoncohen> Goek, it's easy [07:51] <delire> topyli: good call. [07:51] <xyz> Anyone have any luck running the AMD64 live CD on a HP L2000 laptop? Locks up when booting Ubuntu, might be the ATI card... [07:52] <Goek> jasoncohen, then please share your wisdom [07:52] <Gourami> delire: topyli it was working up untill now without sudo, will restart a bit later [07:52] <topyli> reagleBRKLN: oh yeah, jasoncohen is right, the binaries get installed in /usr/lib/openoffice.org or something [07:52] <simple> gedit: error while loading shared libraries: libXext.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [07:52] <jasoncohen> Goek, right click on the torrent file, choose properties, and then Open With. Select the application you want to open with [07:52] <simple> ^ [07:52] <reagleBRKLN> ok, i see it is there [07:52] <simple> i've overwritten /etc/lo.so.conf on accident.. well without knowing i'd ruin the desktop [07:52] <simple> what do i add back to it? [07:52] <delire> reagleBRKLN: you may find 'whereis openoffice.org' [07:52] <delire> reagleBRKLN: .. useful [07:53] <jasoncohen> simple, one second [07:53] <elmagozizou> How do I unrar files? [07:53] <drcode> hi all [07:53] <delire> reagleBRKLN: regardless, they should show up in the menu. if not, log out and back in (perhaps). [07:53] <geppy> elmagozizou: unrar foo.rar ;) [07:53] <topyli> Gourami: it's an X error or some other black magic [07:53] <c0al> elmagozizou, sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree [07:53] <jasoncohen> simple, apt-file is nice for these things. it downloads a compressed tarball with a list of every package and all the files they contain [07:53] <c0al> elmagozizou, then unrar e package.rar [07:54] <elmagozizou> c0al, tnkz [07:54] <c0al> elmagozizou, np :) [07:54] <jasoncohen> simple, sudo apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update [07:54] <simple> yeah, but if you open /etc/lo.so.conf in gedit.. what does it say? [07:54] <nalioth> c0al: unrar x is better, it retains directory structures [07:54] <simple> i'm guessing it'd be the same, if you've gone with alot of default [07:54] <topyli> reagleBRKLN: killing gnome-panel (it will respawn) will update the menu too [07:54] <c0al> nalioth, thanks. [07:55] <jasoncohen> simple, i have no /etc/lo.so.conf [07:55] <delire> jasoncohen: /etc/ld.so.conf? [07:55] <jasoncohen> /usr/X11R6/lib [07:56] <GeistFloripas> I can't use the Mplayer, although it's installed (MPlayer-k7). It opens and freezes as i try to play every thing, both videos or audios. [07:56] <simple> that was it! thanks [07:56] <cshields> greetings! anyone know how to boot the PPC install cd on a PegasosPPC? [07:56] <jasoncohen> simple, apt-file search libXext.so.6 yields [07:56] <cshields> (from the SmartFirmware) [07:56] <GeistFloripas> Some sugestion? [07:56] <jasoncohen> libxext6 [07:56] <jasoncohen> libxext6-dbg [07:56] <delire> GeistFloripas: it's a bit broken currently. your problem is shared by many ;( [07:56] <[madman] > GeistFloripas: hello. did you try mplayer -nosound ? [07:56] <GeistFloripas> no [07:56] <jasoncohen> simple, sudo apt-get install --reinstall libxext6 [07:56] <jasoncohen> simple, you probably mistakenly removed the file [07:57] <[madman] > GeistFloripas: i'd suggest compiling mplayer yourself. all distros have mplayer broken ;) [07:57] <simple> nah [07:57] <simple> i meant to add to it [07:57] <simple> i overwritten that line [07:57] <jasoncohen> [madman] , works fine for me [07:57] <simple> tyvm, apt-file sound mighty helpfull [07:57] <topyli> GeistFloripas: i suggest using xine :) [07:57] <jasoncohen> simple, you mean /usr/X1146/lib [07:58] <jasoncohen> /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 [07:58] <jasoncohen> ah, i see. so it was there but it couldn't find it because it didn't have the correct path [07:58] <topyli> GeistFloripas: that way you get to choose from a few guis, all of them more sane than mplayer's [07:58] <simple> using apt-file [07:58] <simple> yeah [07:58] <jasoncohen> simple, you already have it installed. you just didn't have the correct path in /etc/ld.so.conf [07:58] <jasoncohen> simple, edit /etc/ld.so.conf and then type "sudo ldconfig" [07:58] <simple> i installed wx-gtk2 and had to add a line to the file [07:59] <[madman] > topyli: as for guis it's easiest to assume that mplayer doesn't have one ;) [07:59] <GeistFloripas> I heard about it, but i thought it'd better be with the automatic upgrades. There's any problem if i compile it myself? Should i disable or desintall the Mplayer in synaptic in this case? [07:59] <delire> [madman] : gmplayer isn't *that* bad ;) [07:59] <[madman] > topyli: but the lack of gui doesn't make it worse ;) [07:59] <bionic> how do i check how much ram i have in the machine? [07:59] <Seveas> gui schmui :) [07:59] <delire> bionic: ram [07:59] <delire> bionic: top [07:59] <Seveas> bionic, cat /proc/meminfo [07:59] <topyli> [madman] : it never does if i for some reason happen to have it installed :) [07:59] <jasoncohen> if you want a gui, use totem, xine-ui, kaffeine or vlc- not mplayer [07:59] <[madman] > bionic: open the case and check the modules ;) [07:59] <jasoncohen> i find xine-ui best for DVDs [08:00] <jasoncohen> bionic, type "top" [08:00] <[madman] > bionic: seriously - dmesg shows it ;) [08:00] <xyz> Anyone have any luck running the AMD64 live CD on a HP L2000 laptop? Locks up when booting Ubuntu after detecting hardware, might be the ATI card... [08:00] <bionic> Seveas, uhm, says Memtotal: 906660 kB, and i have 2x 512 1x 256? [08:00] <jasoncohen> bionic, Mem: 646448k total [08:00] <xinel> any working scripts for an all encompassing media? [08:00] <jasoncohen> look for the Mem line [08:00] <delire> xyz: not sure, have you looked at the Ubuntu laptop list? [08:00] <bionic> Cant it be that ubuntu doesnt detect it all? [08:01] <xyz> One second [08:01] <bionic> Just rebooted, the bios counted the ram right.. [08:01] <[madman] > also free shows how much memory you have [08:02] <[madman] > total used free shared buffers cached [08:02] <[madman] > Mem: 507488 251644 255844 0 12320 102704 [08:02] <topyli> xinel: i cannot parse that. define "all encompassing media" [08:02] <[madman] > it's for 512M machine [08:02] <bionic> Well yeah, but i have more than the ram it shows [08:03] <bionic> my machine is much slower now all of a sudden [08:03] <bionic> hmm [08:03] <Daemonic> bionic: sms? [08:03] <xinel> haha [08:03] <xinel> plays most everything [08:03] <bionic> Daehlie, sms? [08:03] <xinel> and not just in my pants [08:03] <Daemonic> bionic: slow machine syndrom? [08:03] <salil> can anyone tell me how to uninstall kubuntu-desktop...?? [08:04] <topyli> xinel: well, xine, mplayer, vlc all do [08:04] <bionic> Daemonic, uhm [08:04] <[madman] > salapoliisi: apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop ? [08:04] <salil> i want full uninstallation.. all the packages and everything.. [08:04] <xyz> List doesn't have it, does that mean it's unsupported/won't work? [08:04] <reagleBRKLN> urd:/root> /usr/sbin/oooprelink1.9 -f [08:04] <reagleBRKLN> Prelinking OpenOffice.org binaries... /usr/sbin/prelink.bin: Could not stat /usr/lib/openoffice/program/*.bin: No such file or directory [08:04] <reagleBRKLN> something not right there [08:04] <GeistFloripas> Thanks man... it's a bit strange. I've tried xine a week ago and didn't work. Now, after updating the system it's all right. [08:04] <delire> bionic: what were you doing when it first slowed down? [08:04] <delire> reagleBRKLN: what are you trying to do? [08:04] <reagleBRKLN> prelink oo [08:05] <topyli> reagleBRKLN: i don't think there are such files [08:05] <reagleBRKLN> indeed not [08:05] <bionic> delire, chatting, and downloading some stuff mainly [08:05] <hondje> there are [08:05] <bionic> gkrellm shows 885 total memory [08:05] <reagleBRKLN> i think that script wants /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/ [08:05] <som1> why is tracepath gettings getting pings so fast and why are results so high? (if i tracepath the first hop(not my ip), i get 120ms.. if i ping it, i get 25ms) [08:06] <hondje> ls /usr/lib/openoffice/program | grep bin shows them [08:06] <salil> pt-get remove kubuntu-desktop removes only that specific package.. not others which have been installed while installing kubuntu. .!! [08:06] <delire> som1: hehe good question. [08:06] <skalpel> can someone help me with this error? i got it while trying to install um. firefox through synaptic E: /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_1.0.6-1ubuntu1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package mozilla-firefox [08:06] <som1> delire, any ideas? [08:06] <delire> som1: packet sizes the same ? ;) [08:06] <`psycho> why isn't identd located in etc/init.d ? [08:06] <som1> i dont know the packet sizes [08:07] <Daemonic> hmm.. ubuntu configures sound cards using alsa, right? [08:07] <delire> som1: well ping is 64 bytes [08:07] <jasoncohen> skalpel, grrr, damn backports, heh [08:07] <`psycho> any clues ? [08:07] <[madman] > Daemonic: tight [08:07] <topyli> Daemonic: yes [08:07] <elph0> why ubuntu adopted inetd and not xinetd ? [08:07] <skalpel> jasoncohen: yes, i suppose so. [08:07] <jasoncohen> skalpel, you'll want to disable your backports source [08:07] <salil> anyone.. know how to uninstall kubuntu with all the dependencies uninstalled as well..?? [08:07] <topyli> elph0: probably debian heritage [08:07] <jasoncohen> skalpel, and then sudo apt-get upgrade [08:08] <Daemonic> well it alsa fuxz0r3d up trying to configure my sound... [08:08] <Daemonic> -it [08:08] <skalpel> disable my backport source? can you help me with that? [08:08] <[madman] > salil: have an idea [08:08] <hondje> elph0: licence on xinted [08:08] <[madman] > salil: remove kdelibs, all kde packages should depend on it [08:08] <[madman] > ;) [08:08] <`psycho> anyone? i need to start up a identd serv [08:08] <elph0> hondje: wow! really? [08:08] <`psycho> but i'm not using inetd [08:08] <jasoncohen> skalpel, yes, first do this for me dpkg -l | grep mozilla-firefox [08:09] <som1> so, if anyone knows whats the packet size tracepath uses [08:09] <skalpel> sure [08:09] <jasoncohen> skalpel, sorry, dpkg -l mozilla-firefox [08:09] <salil> [madman] , let me try [08:09] <hondje> elph0: yeah, it's free but not gpl compatable [08:09] <Belutz> how do i search for files using command line? [08:09] <som1> Belutz, slocate [08:09] <som1> is the fastest [08:09] <skalpel> jasoncohen: no feedback on that one. [08:09] <Belutz> som1: thx :D [08:09] <elph0> hondje: humm ok [08:10] <delire> salil: use synaptic, or 'aptitude purge kubuntu-desktop' might be a good start. then you can use 'deborphan' to get rid of all unused packages. be careful with deborphan though. [08:10] <jasoncohen> "dpkg -l mozilla-firefox" gives you nothing? [08:10] <jazzanova> my locale is set to english utf and cyrillic utf. does this mean that I have to use uxterm ? [08:10] <hondje> You can install it if you want, though [08:10] <som1> Belutz youll probably have to update the database [08:10] <skalpel> jasoncohen: zero. [08:10] <levander`> delire, why be careful with deborphan? [08:10] <elph0> `psycho: xinetd i presume? [08:10] <salil> [madman] , i think its working.. [08:10] <Daemonic> daemonic@Demon:~$ modprobe cs46xx [08:10] <Daemonic> WARNING: Error inserting ac97_codec (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/oss/ac97_codec.ko): Operation not permitted [08:10] <Daemonic> FATAL: Error inserting cs46xx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/oss/cs46xx.ko): Operation not permitted [08:10] <Daemonic> ideas? [08:10] <delire> did i say deborphan? i meant debfoster ;) [08:10] <[madman] > salil: i'm not sure if it removes _everything_ [08:10] <`psycho> elph0, no, i want to run it in stnadalone mode [08:10] <Belutz> som1: how? [08:10] <som1> Belutz, sudo slocate -u [08:11] <jasoncohen> skalpel, how about dpkg -l firefox [08:11] <Ocid> Daemonic: use sudo [08:11] <skalpel> jasoncohen:Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold [08:11] <skalpel> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed [08:11] <skalpel> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) [08:11] <skalpel> ||/ Name Version Description [08:11] <skalpel> +++-[08:11] <skalpel> in firefox 1.0.6-1ubuntu1 (no description available) [08:11] <Daemonic> Ocid: DOH [08:11] <jazzanova> how do I make xterm use a larger font ? [08:11] <elph0> `psycho: could you tell me how do that? i think that i never did it before.. [08:12] <topyli> hondje: the xinetd license weirdness was news to me but the modification clause does seem a bit strange [08:12] <hondje> jazzanova: under settings -> preferences [08:12] <salil> the thing is.. the shutdown menu in gnome is gone.. and replaced by a new one.. like in KDE.. [08:12] <`psycho> elph0, i can't locate identd in init.d [08:12] <`psycho> so i don't know myself [08:12] <[madman] > jazzanova: no, xterm doesn't use settings [08:12] <delire> jazzanova: use xfontsel to select a font and then xterm -f <font> [08:12] <salil> all the KDE dependent packages are gone.. i think.. but.. those little things still bother me.. [08:12] <jasoncohen> skalpel, you have the backports version of firefox installed - 1.0.6 [08:12] <jasoncohen> you are up to date [08:12] <hondje> topyli: yeah, Stallman ended up saying it wasnt' GPL compatable, and since ubuntu is debian based we're all GNU-licious [08:12] <[madman] > jazzanova: you have to give it full font name xterm -fn ... [08:12] <jazzanova> ok, thanks [08:12] <elph0> humm ok [08:12] <topyli> heh [08:13] <skalpel> jasoncohen: alright [08:13] <jasoncohen> skalpel, if i were you, i would disable backports, remove firefox, install mozilla-firefox from hoary-security and then add the official backports [08:13] <salil> can any one tell me how to fix that..? [08:13] <skalpel> k, how do i disable backports? [08:13] <jake1> ok.. so i am trying to compile something from source, but it appears i do not have a C compiler.... any suggestions of which i should use [08:13] <hondje> oh, he said xTERM, I read xCHAT hehehehe [08:13] <hondje> jake1: sudo apt-get install build-essential [08:13] <cadu> ubuntu = easy debian ? :) [08:14] <topyli> cadu: partly true [08:14] <Daemonic> Ocid: ok. modprobe cs64xx worked... but now I get... alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device [08:14] <hondje> cadu: ubuntu = debian with 'newer' desktop packages and a few things to make it easier, like sudo :) [08:14] <delire> jazzanova: yes. xterm -fn, i said -f mistakenly for some odd reason. [08:14] <delire> jake1: apt-get install gcc [08:14] <topyli> well it's all true but there's more to it [08:14] <cadu> hondje: debian has sudo :P [08:14] <jazzanova> i need to have cyrrilic fonts [08:14] <jazzanova> though [08:14] <[madman] > jazzanova: eventually you can add Xterm*font: .... to .Xdefaults [08:15] <hondje> Yeah, but it's not set up to be sudo-voodoo like ubuntu is [08:15] <Lorvija> hey, just considering to install ubuntu to my little sisters laptop and i prefer kde but i heard gnome is the default.. is it easy to change to kde? [08:15] <cadu> sudo-voodoo ? [08:15] <[madman] > jazzanova: you can get the font name from xfontsel... [08:15] <topyli> cadu: debian has most of what ubuntu does but ubuntu sets things up in a sane way by default [08:15] <jazzanova> also, my locale is utf, so all the dpkg stuff is not showing properly, unless i use uxterm [08:15] <topyli> heh [08:16] <jazzanova> it can't display utf in normal xterm [08:16] <luzbelito> hi, i created a script in ./etc/init.d/ called "adsl" and i execute it with /adsl start to connect. how can i configure ubutu for be automatically launched at boot with any user? [08:16] <[madman] > jazzanova: well... xterm never supported unicode well [08:16] <delire> jazzanova: when you click 'select' in xfontsel, it's copied to the X buffer, so just middle-mouse-button (or CTRL-V) to paste that selection to the term. [08:16] <jazzanova> ok [08:16] <jazzanova> what happens if i use uxterm but ssh to a koi8-r system, then i can't see russian [08:16] <delire> jazzanova: you might want an rxvt-esque terminal, like aterm [08:17] <delire> jazzanova: hmm [08:17] <Daemonic> daemonic@Demon:~$ sudo alsamixer [08:17] <Daemonic> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device [08:17] <Daemonic> anyone? [08:17] <jowi> setxkbmap is nice to use when in X to change languagelayout of the keyboard. But what command can i use to change the layout for a terminal when not using x? [08:17] <elph0> cadu: simple, reliable debian version i mean [08:17] <jazzanova> should i convert all my systems to utf too ? [08:17] <Despeeh> when it is useful to use debfoster ? [08:17] <hondje> luzbelito: easiest is to make symlinks in the /etc/rcN.d dirs [08:18] <luzbelito> hondje, ok. can you help me to do that please ? [08:18] <jazzanova> or should i convert ubuntu away from utf ? [08:18] <nalioth> Despeeh: cleaning out orphaned pkgs [08:18] <topyli> jazzanova: i'd say yes. there are old-fashioned things like mail, news and ircnet where you may want to make exceptions [08:18] <Despeeh> ok thx [08:18] <topyli> jazzanova: by yes i mean yes utf8 :) [08:18] <jazzanova> keep utf ? [08:18] <topyli> yes [08:19] <Lorvija> hey, just considering to install ubuntu to my little sisters laptop and i prefer kde but i heard gnome is the default.. is it easy to change to kde? or can i just choose when installing? [08:19] <jazzanova> and make the system i ssh to also utf ? [08:19] <hondje> luzbelito: sure, but it'll be a second, phone keeps ringing [08:19] <elph0> Lorvija: Kubuntu? [08:19] <topyli> jazzanova: sure [08:19] <levander`> Lorvija: kubuntu, or the kde-desktpo package (not sure about name of that package) [08:19] <Lorvija> okay thanks elph0 & levander` [08:20] <luzbelito> hondje, ok [08:20] <elph0> ok :) [08:20] <topyli> Lorvija: if you already have ubuntu, you can install the kubuntu-desktop package on that [08:20] <nalioth> levander`: it's "kubuntu-desktop" for your future usage [08:20] <Lorvija> topyli well i'm just downloading the ubuntu iso.. [08:21] <Lorvija> so kubuntu&ubuntu have the same software available as debian has? [08:21] <topyli> Lorvija: but you don't know whether your little sister wants such a complicated desktop :) [08:21] <elvirolo> hi all [08:21] <ph8> is the kubuntu download just ubuntu with the kubuntu-desktop package? [08:21] <Lorvija> topyli she liked it when i showed her knoppix (: [08:21] <delire> topyli: kids love KDE. [08:21] <elph0> ah! Why Morphix to livecds distros? [08:21] <topyli> ph8: yes, and without gnome i guess [08:21] <Lorvija> okay, does kde and gnome have lots of differencies? for example the speed? [08:21] <cadu> Lorvija: gnome is lighter [08:22] <delire> topyli: i've seen a 4 year go completely 'gooey' over it. [08:22] <highvoltage> it is!? [08:22] <topyli> delire: well it does look like candy and plastik [08:22] <erikt> I sadly can't get my live CD to work. [08:22] <cadu> Lorvija: you could use XFCE4 too , it's a very lightweight WM and it's pretty [08:22] <delire> topyli: many respond deeply to that. [08:22] <Lorvija> which one would you recommend to complete newbie.. kde or gnome? [08:22] <elvirolo> could anyone tell me what the name (of the executable that is) of the GNOME utility which deals with network configuration? [08:22] <cadu> Lorvija: you'll only miss rootwindow icons but you could use something like ROX [08:22] <highvoltage> xfce is definately lighter. both gnome and kde are resource hogs. [08:22] <cadu> highvoltage: nah, kde is more :) [08:22] <topyli> Lorvija: honestly, since you can support kde better... [08:22] <cadu> !start a wm ware [08:22] <ubotu> cadu: No idea [08:23] <highvoltage> network-admin [08:23] <elvirolo> highvoltage, thanks a lot [08:23] <din> highvoltage, xfce4 > * [08:23] <highvoltage> elvirolo: np [08:23] <erikt> question: do live CDs ususally don't work on laptops? [08:23] <compubomb> how do you keep ubuntu from auto-loading X ?.. [08:23] <delire> highvoltage: second only to OSX's aqua, which hits the GPU and the system memory. [08:23] <highvoltage> din: xfce4 = 42? [08:23] <compubomb> i don't want a desktop manager [08:24] <cadu> delire: but Aqua rocks [08:24] <Lorvija> will gnome/kde run on laptop with 1000mhz processor and 256mb ram smoothly? or should i find lighter option? [08:24] <din> 4.2.2 yes [08:24] <highvoltage> delire: hehe! [08:24] <delire> cadu: it's horrible [08:24] <compubomb> i just want to be able to type startx and presto [08:24] <elph0> Lorvija: i prefer gnome... less doc, but really intuitive [08:24] <cadu> delire: why ? [08:24] <delire> cadu: i have to use it at work. horrible [08:24] <hondje> sorry luzbelito about the wait. If you want it to start at boot for all your runlevels, and stop at shutdown, run 'sudo update-rc.d <scriptname> start <priority> 2 3 4 5 . stop <priority> 0 1 6 .' Scriptname is JUST the name in /etc/init.d, not the whole pathname IIRC, and priority is a two digit number, like 30, 50, 80, etc [08:24] <highvoltage> Lorvija: both should run fine (not at the same time though) [08:24] <Daemonic> daemonic@Demon:~$ /etc/init.d/alsa start [08:24] <Daemonic> * Setting up ALSA... [08:24] <Daemonic> Invalid card number. [08:24] <Daemonic> Usage: amixer <options> command [08:24] <Daemonic> Available options: [08:24] <compubomb> anyone ? [08:24] <Ziggity> Help [08:24] <Daemonic> I run that and it scrolls thourhg about ten times. [08:24] <Ziggity> Firefix stopped working [08:24] <Daemonic> any ideas why? [08:24] <din> highvoltage, http://img342.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xfce49sb.jpg [08:24] <din> :p [08:24] <Ziggity> when I click the Icon to start it - task bar sez starting Firefox .. then nothing happens.. [08:24] <cadu> delire: OSX is beautiful AND bsd unix on its guts, it rocks [08:25] <compubomb> Ziggity: try deleting your .mozilla file, make sure you so a find ./.mozilla/ -name "*bookmark*.html" [08:25] <hondje> luzbelito: so if it's named /etc/init.d/adsl, 'sudo update-rc.d adsl start <priority> 2 3 4 5 . stop <priority> 0 1 6 .' would work [08:25] <cadu> delire: i would love to have a mac if these things weren't soo expensive in brazil :( [08:25] <delire> cadu: the finder is a useability nightmare, ~/Applications is full of a zillion duplicate files. students never know where anything is. it's god awful slow, especially for 3D and the 'metal finish' wears very very thin. [08:25] <topyli> Ziggity: could it be something referred to in the topic here? [08:25] <ph8> ok [08:25] <ph8> i've redownloaded and burnt the cd [08:25] <hondje> note that in ubuntu, the 3 4 5 part is pointless, you're usually going to be in 2 [08:25] <ph8> and verified it [08:25] <ph8> my iso is perfect [08:25] <elph0> cadu: caro mesmo! hahaha [08:25] <Ziggity> topyli, what topic? [08:25] <ph8> and the install cocks up in the same way [08:25] <cadu> elph0: :'( [08:25] <delire> cadu: there, i said it!... oh also, Apple is a very nasty corporation. [08:25] <Lorvija> okay thanks for the help guys, i'll try the gnome.. if i dont like it i'll change to kde [08:26] <topyli> Ziggity: topic of this very channel. type /topic and see [08:26] <erikt> not as nasty as Microsoft. [08:26] <hondje> Steve Jobs is a nasty man, too :) [08:26] <compubomb> DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO DISABLE DESKTOP MANAGMENT AKA NO AUTO-START x ? [08:26] <Despeeh> blackbox rulez [08:26] <cadu> delire: i can't possibly agree with you ;"( i love OSX ...i still have my old powermac 8500 that doesn't runs OSX (only with a xpostfacto hack) but that doesn't counts :) [08:26] <hondje> compubomb: yes, don't let gdm run at boot [08:26] <topyli> compubomb: hard of hearing? [08:26] <compubomb> yes or not would suffice ^_^ [08:26] <highvoltage> din: nice, i'm going through another eyecandy vs minimalistic phase: http://jonathancarter.co.za/photies/screenshots/24JUL05 [08:26] <elph0> Lorvija: welcome to customization world :P [08:26] <compubomb> hmm, topyli it's hard to see your name heh.. [08:26] <Lorvija> :P [08:26] <cadu> compubomb: just remove the /etc/rc2.d/S<xx>xdm file [08:27] <compubomb> cadu: ugh, okay [08:27] <Ziggity> topyli, :: ooooo.. how do you uninstall firefox? [08:27] <danielrr> hi [08:27] <cadu> compubomb: it's actually a link to /etc/init.d/xdm [08:27] <erikt> when burning ISO's, verifying required? [08:27] <din> highvoltage, that fvwm? [08:27] <highvoltage> Ziggity: sudo apt-get remove mozilla-firefox [08:27] <hondje> cadu: should be gdm in a default install [08:27] <highvoltage> din: that's gnome [08:27] <cadu> hondje: sorry ...debian here [08:27] <cadu> i'm _considering_ a switch [08:27] <din> ah, transparent panels [08:27] <hondje> :) [08:27] <topyli> cadu: compubomb: the link will return at next upgrade. better to disable it properly [08:27] <cadu> but i'm not a desktop user [08:28] <hondje> I run both now, ubuntu for desk, debian for everything else [08:28] <cadu> i would change just for the more timely updates [08:28] <hondje> ah...if you're not a desktop user, the differences are minimal :) [08:28] <highvoltage> din: so is this: http://jonathancarter.co.za/photies/screenshots/25MAR05 [08:28] <cadu> hondje: i'm a bit sad with debian testing [08:28] <highvoltage> that was my gdeskletts phase [08:28] <din> highvoltage, here's my eye candied up fvwm :) http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fvwm4pq.jpg [08:28] <elph0> where can i see the expected features to the next ubuntu? [08:28] <hondje> cadu: did they push the gcc4 changes into testing? [08:28] <delire> cadu: Tiger is just a poor performer from my perspective, and apple are increasingly becoming a DRM lifestyle whitegoods company. i gladly put Ubuntu on my g5 tower - a massive speed up. [08:28] <hondje> !breezy [08:28] <cadu> hondje: and i'm considering a switch just because that, BUT, i'm afraid of losing all the customizability i have in debian by a bunch of scripts/wizards [08:29] <hondje> !tell elph0 about breezy [08:29] <danielrr> I need a biof help with a error during the second part of installing ubuntu [08:29] <cadu> hondje: hell no, they're trying it in 'unstable' ...a whole breakage hell [08:29] <skalpel> i just got the error cannot open xpistub library while trying to install firefox, can someone tell me why? [08:29] <highvoltage> din: also nice. [08:29] <delire> cadu: the other thing, OSX is incredibly inflexible, and expensive to maintain. OSX is a rental operating system, afterall - you don't actually *own* your computer. [08:29] <din> highvoltage, nice shot :) [08:29] <Ziggity> is there a package for Eclipse? for ubuntu? [08:29] <cadu> delire: i confess i used Linux on the powermac too :) [08:30] <hondje> cadu: I knew they went crazy with sid finally, but I've been tracking sarge for most things for the last couple months before it went stable, so I've missed the fun :) [08:30] <topyli> cadu: ahh... unstable is unstable again! woo-hoo! [08:30] <cadu> lll *grins* [08:30] <erikt> can someone shed light why my Live CD for my Intel laptop :( [08:30] <delire> cadu: ;) [08:30] <cadu> hondje: sarge is very good for now, just a bit outdated as always [08:30] <highvoltage> din: what do you use for the menu bar at the bottom? [08:30] <cadu> hondje: unstable was very stable but then they started the abi change and bam, everything is breaking :) [08:30] <cadu> hondje: plus x.org being added ...iirc from a backported ubuntu package [08:30] <ryanja> hi room [08:31] <danielrr> hi all [08:31] <deprave__> engine - An input buffer is full [08:31] <deprave__> interesting! [08:31] <highvoltage> ryanja: hi [08:31] <hondje> cadu: Sid 'was' pretty good, I was using it for the desktop until I went over here :D Nice to see them back at work though [08:31] <highvoltage> danielrr: howdy [08:31] <hondje> cadu: if you got any debian migration questions, feel free to hit me up. There's a slight but non-zero chance I'll know :) [08:31] <din> highvoltage, its an fvwmscript i made using fvwmscript and mpc/mpd the sensors on the side is xosview [08:32] <highvoltage> kewl [08:32] <danielrr> can any help me with an install error that halted the installation? [08:32] <highvoltage> danielrr: only if you give us the error [08:32] <elph0> breezy ...cool... im loving this [08:32] <hondje> gnome 2.12 beta1 came out [08:33] <Ziggity> whats the command to delete a folder from terminal ?? [08:33] <highvoltage> Ziggity: rmdir [08:33] <delire> Ziggity: rm -fr folder/ [08:33] <hondje> Ziggity: rmdir, or rm -rf <dir> if it's not empty [08:33] <deprave__> what is breezy [08:33] <highvoltage> deprave__: it's the development branch of ubuntu [08:33] <deprave__> ah [08:33] <elph0> !tell deprave__ about breezy [08:33] <highvoltage> the current one is hoary [08:34] <[madman] > well... sometimest it's more stable than hoary ;) [08:34] <elph0> its my time :P [08:34] <delire> [madman] : really? [08:34] <highvoltage> [madman] : i doubt that ;) [08:34] <ryanja> ive found hoary to be very stable, I haven't had any problems [08:34] <[madman] > only x.org is breaking sometimes due to big changes [08:34] <cadu> hondje: i just wanna be able to do things the way i do in debian...i'm trying gentoo in a VMWare virtual box and it's very up-to-date but it isn't very concise and it's _strange_ ...specially when you're accustomed to doing things the debian way for years [08:34] <highvoltage> [madman] : i haven't seen x working on breezy yet [08:34] <[madman] > i've finally made the new modular xorg working yesterday ;) [08:34] <Ziggity> thanx [08:34] <`psycho> how to rename file? [08:34] <hondje> cadu: yeah, I like the 'debian' way....it's way easier, especially when you finally learn it :) [08:35] <highvoltage> `psycho: mv [08:35] <Ziggity> is there a package for Eclipse? for ubuntu? [08:35] <[madman] > still, some packages are missing [08:35] <delire> `psycho mv [08:35] <cadu> hondje: i could easily use gentoo, but i don't know the way of doing things in that 'gentoo way' [08:35] <[madman] > `psycho: man mv [08:35] <highvoltage> `psycho: mv source destination [08:35] <`psycho> rename fil fil2 gives some strict subs error [08:35] <cadu> hondje: i couldn't handle it very well, i tried doing things manually and my changes got overriden by portage updates and things :'( [08:35] <Ziggity> has / does anyone use ubuntu as a web Server ? [08:35] <hondje> cadu: ubuntu is totally debian underneath the desktop [08:35] <highvoltage> `psycho: rename is a DOS command. Google for the DOS to BASH HOWTO [08:36] <cadu> hondje: example, for adding a thing to your runlevel you use something like rc-update add <program> default..shitty [08:36] <highvoltage> Ziggity: I do. [08:36] <jazzanova> so, i have debian install in utf8, using russian, and in console, all the characters are broken. [08:36] <[madman] > Ziggity: well my whole server is ubuntu: web, ssh, database etc. [08:36] <`psycho> ah [08:36] <`psycho> :)) [08:36] <cadu> hondje: i prefer the rcX.d and init.d approach....MUCH better [08:36] <hondje> yeah, update-rc.d is what I know [08:36] <highvoltage> hi linuxboy [08:36] <hondje> or just making symlinks myself [08:36] <elph0> Ziggity: try synaptic with universe and multiverse checked [08:36] <Ziggity> OUCH! nautilis has quit unexpectedly>> why> whats it do? [08:36] <cadu> hondje: in debian i just create a new program in init.d and link it using the [SK] nnPROGRAM link way...easy! [08:36] <jowi> I got a question: how do i change the keyboard mapping in a terminal - like 'setxkbd se' but for when not using X? [08:36] <ryanja> I've switched from suse to ubuntu, and with suse pushing more towards kde i didn't know how I was going to like gnome. I actually like gnome better and haven't found a reason to go back to kde, does anyone prefere kde over gnome. [08:36] <[madman] > jazzanova: well... i'm polish and have the characters broken, too ;) [08:36] <Ziggity> highvoltage, : as production server? [08:37] <highvoltage> Ziggity: yes. [08:37] <[madman] > jowi: loadkeys [08:37] <highvoltage> Ziggity: my asterisk server also runs on ubuntu (warty though) [08:37] <Ziggity> highvoltage, What spec is the hardware? [08:37] <jazzanova> madman: so you can't do dpkg in console ? need to use X ? [08:37] <TeraClon> kde has neat things [08:37] <jowi> [madman] , ahhh, cheers [08:37] <Zippys> Hey, I installed ubuntu and when it boots up it geos to black screen. [08:37] <hondje> cadu: using update-rc.d is even easier, saves a lot of typing :) [08:37] <cadu> i would use kde if i could get only the WINDOWMANAGER [08:37] <highvoltage> Ziggity: P4, 1GB RAM, 2x 200GB hard disks (raid1) [08:37] <Ziggity> highvoltage, asterisk?? [08:37] <ryanja> i do like k3b, its a nice burning progam, but other then that not much [08:37] <[madman] > jowi: you've gotta know what keymap do you need [08:37] <topyli> Zippys: nothing? no shell prompt? [08:37] <Zippys> no. [08:38] <Zippys> nothing. [08:38] <highvoltage> Ziggity: open source pbx software: asterisk.org [08:38] <[madman] > jowi: they're in /usr/share/keymaps, as i recall [08:38] <cadu> ryanja: i use XFCE all the way but i use K3B for cd-burning (wife)...had to install a BUNCH of kdelibs just for k3b ;'( [08:38] <Ziggity> highvoltage, : do you know of a guide for setting it as a webserver? [08:38] <ryanja> ouch [08:38] <jazzanova> and how do i set dvorak in console ? [08:38] <hondje> Am I the only one who uses nautilus to burn cds? [08:38] <topyli> Zippys: bad. sounds like a broken framebuffer but iirc ubuntu doesn't even use that [08:38] <highvoltage> Ziggity: for what do you want to use it? [08:39] <danielrr> here is the error: Setting up gstreamer0.8-flac/var/lib/dpkg/info/gstreamer0.8-flac.postinst: line 8: 15917 Segmentation fault gst-register-0.8 --gst-debug-level=0 >/dev/null & this error: (process:15918) : GLIB-GObject-WARNING **: invalid cast from 'GstXMLRegistry'to'GstXMLRegistry' [08:39] <ryanja> have you found any issues with xfce with ubuntu [08:39] <[madman] > jazzanova: well... loadkeys - but don't know which keymap [08:39] <jowi> [madman] , yeah, found them but had no idea what command to use. thanks alot [08:39] <Ziggity> web and email server [08:39] <GNULinuxer> Welcome scorpix [08:39] <highvoltage> Ziggity: I suggest you just apt-get intall apache2, it runs out of the box, then you can just ask for help if you want to do something. [08:39] <Zippys> I have Nvidia video card. [08:39] <Zippys> That always has problems with alot of distros. [08:39] <Ziggity> I still can't get firefox to load [08:39] <highvoltage> Ziggity: if you just want to play with apache a bit, than I suggest you take a look at http://www.apachefriends.org [08:40] <erikt> I still can't get the Live CD to boot, [08:40] <erikt> freezes at %98, [08:40] <SG1> Zippys: sounds like a dead framebuffer [08:40] <hondje> Zippys: nvidia works just fine, their linux support is quite nice...ATI is the one to watch for [08:40] <Zippys> topyli Zippys: bad. sounds like a broken framebuffer but iirc ubuntu doesn't even use that [08:40] <jazzanova> madman: i need to install dvorak for good, not loadkeys [08:40] <jowi> jazzanova, /usr/share/keymaps/i386/dvorak has some for you. use "loadkeys dvorak-classic" or what keymap you want [08:40] <[madman] > Ziggity: actually, the default ubuntu apache _just works_ if you only need it to play for a little [08:40] <GNULinuxer> Howdy salil [08:41] <SG1> hi GNULinuxer [08:41] <jowi> jazzanova, sorry, didn't see your last statement [08:41] <salil> can anyone please tell me which packages i need to install to see VIDEO using TOTEM player [08:41] <Zippys> So how would I fix this broke framebuffer? [08:41] <GNULinuxer> Hello BirdFish [08:41] <salil> howdy GNULinuxer [08:41] <BirdFish> Hi [08:41] <[madman] > jazzanova: and you can set it permanently in /etc/defaults/console or sth. like that [08:41] <Ziggity> my firefox has died.. [08:41] <cadu> Ziggity: heheeh [08:41] <SG1> Zippys: hold [08:42] <BirdFish> How would I change the placement minimized applications? [08:42] <Last_in_Line> I'm back with a brand new install, can someone pls help me install egroupware? [08:42] <GNULinuxer> Hola! no_gatez_fan [08:42] <jazzanova> thanks [08:42] <BirdFish> I want them to minimize to the top taskbar rather than the bottom [08:42] <erikt> ah, I'll burn another copy, and if that doesn't work, wouldn't hurt to try Kubuntu. [08:42] <Ziggity> cadu, : its not funny.. :( [08:42] <no_gatez_fan> hello [08:42] <Ziggity> I wnat it back ... [08:42] <salil> which packages are needed to use VIDEO in TOTEM player..?? [08:42] <jowi> Ziggity, did it crash or what happened? [08:42] <SG1> Zippys: video=vga16:off [08:43] <SG1> Zippys: when you get to grub... [08:43] <SG1> Zippys: press e to edit the entry [08:43] <skalpel> is there a terminal app which supports transparency [08:43] <skalpel> ? [08:43] <SG1> Zippys: then goto teh kernel line and press e again [08:43] <Ziggity> jowi, no.. stopped working when I had backports .. removed them.. then upgraded.. still nothing.. [08:43] <SG1> Zippys: then add video=vga16:off to the end of the line [08:43] <Ziggity> removed firefox.. reinstalled .. still nothing.. [08:43] <SG1> Zippys: then get back to the entry and press b [08:44] <jowi> Ziggity, do you get an error if you start firefox in a terminal? [08:44] <delire> skalpel: aterm -tr -sh 50 [08:44] <ankur> Hi, I deleted the user account, that I used to login; now GDM wont start, could someone help?? [08:44] <Ziggity> jowi, how do I do that?? [08:44] <boodle> using hoary... in Evolution, my folder list does't update the new message count realtime... anyone have a fix? [08:44] <Zippys> is that it? [08:44] <Zippys> lol [08:44] <SG1> Zippys: well thats a temporary fix... [08:44] <skalpel> delire: bash: aterm: command not found [08:44] <[madman] > skalpel: xterm ? [08:44] <delire> skalpel: apt-get install aterm && aterm -tr -sh 50 [08:45] <SG1> Zippys: once you get on ubuntu you'll need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst [08:45] <jowi> Ziggity, to open a terminal right-click on the desktop and choose terminal. type in "firefox" and press enter. [08:45] <SG1> Zippys: also, try the failsafe one first... [08:45] <Ziggity> jowi, .. no error and still no firefox [08:45] <Zippys> there is no failsafe [08:45] <[madman] > Ziggity: killall firefox [08:45] <delire> [madman] : xterm doesn't support transparency. [08:45] <[madman] > Ziggity: firefox [08:45] <skalpel> delire: can you give me that again with white foreground text instead of black? [08:45] <jowi> Ziggity, killall firefox-bin [08:46] <delire> skalpel: aterm -tr -sh 50 -fg white -bg black [08:46] <skalpel> delire: and is there a way to add tint to this? [08:46] <SG1> Zippys: sorry its called "recovery mode" [08:46] <Ziggity> jowi, trying that [08:46] <[madman] > skalpel: yes, there is tinting, -tint ? [08:46] <SG1> Zippys: it will bring you up in single user though. [08:46] <delire> skalpel: aterm -tr -sh 50 -fg white -bg black -tint blue [08:47] <skalpel> k [08:47] <SG1> Zippys: so try the adding to grub first. [08:47] <Ziggity> ok!! what the killall firefox-BIN do??? [08:47] <Zippys> ok [08:47] <Zippys> brb [08:47] <Zippys> maybe [08:47] <Zippys> lol [08:47] <SG1> Ziggity: it kills all intances of firefox [08:47] <skalpel> delire: perfect, and i guess -font would be used to change the font? [08:47] <jowi> Ziggity, if firefox was running - it shut it down [08:47] <Ziggity> Woohoooo it works.. [08:47] <delire> skalpel: yes, or just -fn <name>. use xfontsel to select [08:47] <[madman] > skalpel: better put all of these in .Xdefaults [08:48] <skalpel> [madman] where is that located? [08:48] <[madman] > skalpel: ~/.Xdefaults [08:48] <SG1> Ziggity: when your feeling really mean you give it a killall -9 firefox-bin .. that force kills it [08:48] <[madman] > then you'll just need to type aterm, it will use your options [08:48] <comforteagle> what is the firefox pkg called? I can't apt-get install firefox or firefox-bin. [08:48] <Ziggity> jowi, I tried [madman] 's killall firefox (without bin) and it reported no processes but with bin it worked? why?? [08:49] <jowi> Ziggity, because when firefox starts the process is named "firefox-bin" [08:49] <skalpel> [madman] : that would be preferable. what should the entry look like? [08:49] <[madman] > Ziggity: well... firefox is just a script [08:49] <SG1> Ziggity: "firefox" is a wrapper script that runs firefox-bin [08:49] <[madman] > skalpel: mine looks like this: [08:49] <delire> skalpel: as [madman] suggests Xdefaults is a good place to store the settings. here's mine as a reference http://selectparks.net/julian/Xdefaults [08:49] <[madman] > skalpel: Aterm*foreground: grey [08:49] <[madman] > Aterm*background: black [08:49] <[madman] > Aterm*transparent: false [08:49] <[madman] > Aterm*scrollBar: false [08:49] <[madman] > Aterm*termName: xterm-color [08:49] <[madman] > Aterm*font:*-*-fixed-medium-r-normal--*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2 [08:49] <danielrr> here is the first install error Setting up gstreamer0.8-flac/var/lib/dpkg/info/gstreamer0.8-flac.postinst: line 8: 15917 Segmentation fault gst-register-0.8 --gst-debug-level=0 >/dev/null [08:49] <Ziggity> SG1, whats the -9 directive do? [08:49] <jowi> Ziggity, just like when i type "x-www-browser" it actually starts firefox-bin. [08:49] <luzbelito> anyone recommends me another web browser instead of firefox? it dont works in a secure web page (ok with IE in windows, but i uninstalled it at all) [08:49] <[madman] > Ziggity: kills for good ;) [08:50] <SG1> Ziggity: force kills it.. man kill and killall [08:50] <SG1> [madman] : well some things will survive -9's [08:50] <delire> skalpel: my personal reccomendation for a good font is aterm*font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-*-75-*-c-*-*-* [08:50] <Ziggity> ok... thanx.. [08:50] <Ziggity> now for the eclipse.. anyone got it working? [08:51] <SG1> Ziggity: as in the IDE? [08:51] <[madman] > Ziggity: download java from java.sun.com [08:51] <[madman] > Ziggity: then download eclipse from eclipse.org [08:51] <Ziggity> SG1, yes [08:51] <skalpel> delire: and this file should be in my home dir? i do not seem to have one. should i create one? [08:51] <[madman] > Ziggity: they probably aren't packaged (java because of the license) [08:51] <Ziggity> [madman] , is there no superduper apt-get install stuff for that? [08:51] <polli> hey! I'm currently trying to install ubuntu (hoary) on my desktop machine.. it has hanged on the "configuring apt" step any suggestions or ideas? [08:52] <Ziggity> jowi, Thanx for the firefox help [08:52] <SG1> Ziggity: there is .. hold [08:52] <jowi> Ziggity, you are welcome [08:53] <ilba7r> hi I installed arabic language support and arabic fonts. I can now login using the arabic language. I can also switch to righting from right to left in open office. My problem is even when i use arabic fonts whatever i right is still in english! is there any more setting i have to do ? And Yes i installed openoffice-ar pack [08:53] <medrakil> bye [08:53] <Ziggity> highvoltage, I got apache2 on localhost.. but when I do port forward on my router/modem (netgear) I get a connection refused?? [08:53] <skalpel> delire: how come aterm does not appear in my gnome-menu? [08:54] <skalpel> delire: i would like to use aterm as my default term program, can i set that through a config file too? [08:54] <[madman] > skalpel: well... it doesn't have a desktop file [08:54] <struggler> is there any way in the hoary installer to force it to use lilo instead of grub? [08:54] <xliu> is there any way to kill all the process whose comand is "firefox"? [08:54] <[madman] > skalpel: you can choose the default terminal program in gnome settings [08:54] <SG1> Ziggity: http://ubuntujava.yimports.com/home.shtml [08:54] <[madman] > xliu: killall -9 firefox [08:54] <[madman] > xliu: killall -9 firefox-bin [08:55] <danielrr> and here is the sencond install error (process: 15918) : GLib-GObeject-WARNING ** invalid cast from 'GstXMLRegistry' to 'GstXMLRegistry' [08:55] <ilba7r> Ziggity try disabelling your router firewal and firfox [08:55] <skalpel> ok [08:55] <SG1> Ziggity: I believe they have packages for both java 1.5 sdk and eclipse. [08:55] <Ziggity> xliu, : killall firefox-bin wirked for me [08:55] <SG1> hondje: :) [08:55] <Kovecses> pkill? [08:55] <smcuser> Does anyone know if there are any problems moving from Ubuntu 5.04 ext3 to Reiser 4 file system? [08:55] <xliu> [madman] , thanks a lot, what does -9 means [08:55] <polli> xliu: die f*cker [08:55] <SG1> xliu: -9 is force kill [08:55] <SG1> polli: pretty much [08:55] <skalpel> k i hate to make it hard but what would the command line entry for what we have so far plus my font be? [08:55] <Zippys> Can someone look back and find the line pointed towards me that said something like video=... ? [08:56] <delire> skalpel: i don't use gnome here sorry, you'll need to look around for setting application defaults. [08:56] <Kovecses> smcuser, if you dont mind me asking... what is the difference between ext3 and reiser [08:56] <Zippys> sg1 deosn't want to reply. [08:56] <Zippys> busy? [08:56] <skalpel> or should i use xfontsel? [08:56] <SG1> Zippys: hold [08:56] <jowi> Ziggity, no need to disable the netgear firewall. but if you have a software firewall (like firestarter) you can disable that temporarily. [08:56] <Zippys> lol [08:56] <delire> skalpel: to select fonts, yes [08:56] <skalpel> delire: i have aterm set, i just need the command line entry with a suitable font [08:56] <Kovecses> delire, what do you use kde? [08:56] <skalpel> xfontsel [08:56] <salil> does anyone know.. how to remove the KUBUNTU settings... after uninstalling kubuntu..?? [08:56] <SG1> Zippys: video=vga16:off [08:56] <djp> is it possible to disable the import photos warning that pops up when you attach your digi camera under hoary? [08:56] <delire> Kovecses: http://wmi.modprobe.de [08:56] <Zippys> thanks [08:57] <[madman] > salil: rm -rf ~/.kde [08:57] <delire> skalpel: the font i posted earlier? [08:57] <[madman] > salil: it will remove ALL your kde settings, so be careful [08:57] <salil> thanks [madman] [08:57] <`psycho> gaah [08:57] <salil> yes.. that's what i want.. [08:57] <skalpel> delire: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-*-75-*-c-*-*-* [08:57] <skalpel> that one? [08:57] <`psycho> can somebody PLEASE help with the damn identd serv?? [08:57] <delire> skalpel yes.. [08:57] <skalpel> using -fn [08:57] <smcuser> It's a fast File System [08:57] <danielrr> Can any help me with the two install errors that I entered in? [08:57] <skalpel> ok, thank you, much [08:57] <SG1> `psycho: whats wrong? [08:58] <`psycho> i can't start it.. [08:58] <Determinist> doesnt ubuntu have mp3 support out of the box? i've just installed hoary and cant play mp3 files using xmms or the music player [08:58] <smcuser> It's supposed to be more secure [08:58] <Kovecses> delire, can you apt-get this wmi [08:58] <`psycho> i don't even see usr/sbin/identd [08:58] <`psycho> could it mean it's not even installed? [08:58] <SG1> `psycho: what is your end issue? what are you trying to do? run ? program [08:58] <SG1> `psycho: it is possible. [08:58] <jowi> Determinist, that is correct. no mp3 support out-of-the-box [08:58] <`psycho> start a identd serv [08:58] <`psycho> :> [08:58] <smcuser> Lastly it's suppose to make better use of space [08:58] <Ziggity> jowi, no software firewall except what comes with ubuntu [08:58] <delire> Kovecses: yes. add "deb http://wegi.net/debian unstable/" to your sources.list [08:59] <skalpel> delire: that did not work, it is still using gnome terminal [08:59] <delire> skalpel: not sure sorry. [08:59] <Determinist> jowi, well , how can one still get mp3 support? no xmms-mp3 package out there, at least not in synaptic [08:59] <`psycho> hmm how do i install it? [08:59] <jowi> Ziggity, and how did you set up port-forwarding in your netgear? [08:59] <[madman] > Ziggity: ubuntu has no filtering set by default [08:59] <Determinist> jowi, correction , not in the repos i have set up for synaptic [08:59] <hondje> hrm, another ethereal exploit :( [08:59] <salil> [madman] , when i installed kubuntu.. it changed the shutdown dialog that pops open.. .. can you tell me how to change it back..?? [08:59] <delire> skalpel: echo $TERM to be sure what terminal you are using [08:59] <smcuser> For more info on Reiser check out www.namesys.com [08:59] <tritium> !restricted [08:59] <ubotu> I heard restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [08:59] <tritium> Determinist: ^^ [08:59] <SG1> `psycho: apt-get install pidentd [08:59] <jowi> Determinist, the package you are looking for is called gstreamer0.8-mad (for gstreamer apps) [09:00] <jowi> thanks tritium [09:00] <[madman] > salil: shutdown dialog? what do you mean? [09:00] <Determinist> jowi, thank you [09:00] <Ziggity> went to configuration and set port 80 http to my IP of the ubuntu box [09:00] <SG1> `psycho: or gidentd [09:00] <Determinist> tritium, thanks [09:00] <[madman] > salil: the login window? [09:00] <Ziggity> jowi, went to configuration and set port 80 http to my IP of the ubuntu box [09:00] <`psycho> hmm [09:00] <SG1> `psycho: or one of the 10 other ones. [09:00] <tritium> no problem [09:00] <Kovecses> brb [09:00] <skalpel> delire: i am using xterm [09:00] <SG1> `psycho: apt-cache search identd [09:00] <`psycho> what's the diff? [09:00] <SG1> `psycho: for a good list [09:00] <SG1> `psycho: features [09:00] <jowi> Ziggity, what router? RP? [09:00] <`psycho> pIDNETD or gIDENTD= [09:00] <`psycho> ? [09:01] <SG1> `psycho: ip4/ipv6... DES...NAT... features... [09:01] <skalpel> delire: is there a config file i can edit to change this? [09:01] <Ziggity> jowi, netgear dg814 [09:01] <SG1> `psycho: apt-cache search identd [09:01] <`psycho> what's des? [09:01] <polli> no one that can come up with ideas why my installation process has hung at "configuring apt..."? It says it is "Setting up primary installation repository..." [09:01] <`psycho> yea yea..i found ... [09:01] <SG1> `psycho: DES is an encryption algorithm [09:01] <`psycho> oh [09:01] <`psycho> i'll use gidentd [09:01] <salil> [madman] : the login window also.. but what i meant was.. when you press the LOG OUT button in gnome.. is used to display a list of choices(logout, shutdown, standby, etc).. but now... it only displays logout.. [09:01] <`psycho> thx dood [09:01] <danielrr> Can any one help me with my hanged install? [09:01] <SG1> `psycho: No Problem [09:02] <SG1> danielrr: whats wrong with it? [09:02] <[madman] > salil: strange... kde shouldn't be a problem here [09:02] <SG1> danielrr: where is it hanged? [09:02] <salil> [madman] : can you please tell me how to fix that..?? [09:02] <jowi> Ziggity, i do not know that router. but my rp614 you need to set it up in "port forwarding" [09:02] <danielrr> ok I will give you the two install errors [09:02] <skalpel> delire: nm, i got it [09:03] <SG1> Zippys: hello [09:03] <SG1> danielrr: ok [09:03] <struggler> Can I get the hoary installer to use lilo instead of grub? [09:03] <Zippys> Adding video=vga16:off then booting it didn't work. [09:03] <[madman] > salil: well, to be honest, i've no idea what could be causing it [09:03] <Ziggity> jowi, I will try .. thanx [09:03] <jowi> Ziggity, because Ubuntu does not have firewall enabled from scratch (not needed) [09:03] <MeLz> I have a Question [09:03] <[madman] > struggler: I tried - it wasn't a good choice [09:03] <MeLz> I really like Ubuntu [09:03] <SG1> Zippys: very odd.. [09:03] <Zippys> I should of added it to the kernel one right? [09:03] <MeLz> But I want it bo boot Off my USB key [09:03] <[madman] > struggler: better install lilo after the instalation [09:03] <SG1> Zippys: yeah [09:03] <Zippys> ok [09:03] <MeLz> Can I do That? [09:03] <Zippys> Just making sure. [09:03] <salil> [madman] : it happened after i installed kubuntu.. the login screen changed as well.. i tried changing it back.. but.. it does not change. !!! [09:03] <jowi> Ziggity, make sure you press "apply" after you have set up the rule to make sure your router reloads the settings [09:04] <SG1> Zippys: can you copy down the kernel line? [09:04] <struggler> madman: well grub won't work (bios?) so I can't reboot in the install [09:04] <Zippys> lol [09:04] <SG1> Zippys: (the whole thing) [09:04] <Zippys> ya i guess [09:04] <danielrr> here are the errors Setting up gstreamer0.8-flac/var/lib/dpkg/info/gstreamer0.8-flac.postinst: line 8: 15917 Segmentation fault gst-register-0.8 --gst-debug-level=0 >/dev/null & this error: (process:15918) : GLIB-GObject-WARNING **: invalid cast from 'GstXMLRegistry'to'GstXMLRegistry' [09:04] <Zippys> anything else before i restart? [09:04] <[madman] > struggler: hm... you can cancel grub installation [09:04] <[madman] > struggler: and from the menu choose lilo [09:04] <SG1> Zippys: ok.. well try it without the quiet [09:05] <struggler> madman: ok, thanks [09:05] <SG1> MeLz: boot off usb... [09:05] <Zippys> there is ro quite option on it [09:05] <[madman] > struggler: it didn't work in warty - I didn't try hoary [09:05] <Zippys> i know that, i remember it for some reason. [09:05] <jowi> MeLz, depends on your USB key and your BIOS (have not tried usb-booting myself) [09:05] <salil> can anyone help me with installing bluetooth adapter.. !! [09:05] <SG1> Zippys: ok [09:05] <Zippys> delete that? [09:05] <SG1> Zippys: yeah [09:05] <[madman] > salil: maybe you'd try reinstalling gnome-session? [09:05] <Zippys> ok [09:05] <Zippys> brb [09:05] <[madman] > salil: just my guess [09:05] <Scouse> don't suppose there's a mirror for Ubuntu DVD ISO is there? I'm getting a wopping 2kbs via bit torrent :) [09:05] <salil> [madman] : how to do that..?? [09:05] <salil> how to reinstall gnome..? [09:05] <struggler> madman: I don't recall it giving me the option, just saying it was going to install grub and doing it [09:05] <SG1> danielrr: segfailts are never fun [09:06] <[madman] > salil: not the whole gnome [09:06] <[madman] > salil: just gnome-session [09:06] <SG1> danielrr: I take it this is after the reboot into the system? [09:06] <[madman] > salil: apt-get reinstall gnome-session ? [09:06] <[madman] > salil: i'll check it, in a moment [09:06] <salil> [madman] : lemme try [09:06] <salil> [madman] : thanks [09:06] <dtorg21> Need help with wireless, can anyone help? [09:06] <[madman] > salil: there's no reinstall in apt-get :/ [09:07] <SG1> salil: --reinstall [09:07] <SG1> salil: apt-get --reinstall install gnome-session [09:07] <danielrr> i did the first part of the install and this after reboot for the second part of the install [09:07] <SG1> danielrr: is tty2 active? [09:07] <salil> SG1: thanks [09:07] <SG1> danielrr: ie if you go ctrl-alt-f3 [09:07] <skalpel> delire: would Bitstream Vera Sans 9 be a proper font name for aterm command line? [09:07] <SG1> danielrr: do you get a login? [09:08] <[madman] > skalpel: no, it's pango font name [09:08] <SG1> dtorg21: what card? [09:08] <danielrr> I do not know [09:08] <salil> okay.. it is finished.. [09:08] <[madman] > skalpel: aterm accepts only XFD [09:08] <dtorg21> sg1: broadcom [09:08] <SG1> dtorg21: oh, fun... ndiswrapper... [09:08] <salil> [madman] : do i need to reboot..? [09:08] <[madman] > skalpel: so you have to use xfontsel [09:08] <dtorg21> yeah [09:08] <SG1> dtorg21: x86/amd64/ppc? [09:08] <salil> SG1: do i need to reboot..?? [09:08] <[madman] > salapoliisi: no, logout should be sufficent [09:09] <dtorg21> amd64 [09:09] <salil> [madman] : thanks [09:09] <benba> hi hi hi [09:09] <SG1> danielrr: can you try.. or just one machine? [09:09] <SG1> dtorg21: hmm not sure about the status of ndiswrapper on amd64 [09:09] <simont> Dumb question, whats the tar command to extract the directory for Thunderbird [09:10] <SG1> dtorg21: might want to go to the ndiswrapper project for help unless anyone here knows it.. [09:10] <Zippys> Want that line? [09:10] <salil> [madman] : its still the same.. [09:10] <SG1> dtorg21: I dont. [09:10] <SG1> Zippys: sure [09:10] <dtorg21> SG1: sorry im running x86 though [09:10] <salil> [madman] : nothing has changed [09:10] <[madman] > salil: :/ [09:10] <highvoltage> simont: 'tar -xf' extracts [09:10] <Zippys> the quite part didn't work. [09:10] <SG1> dtorg21: you are? [09:10] <[madman] > salil: so it wasn't gnome-session [09:10] <highvoltage> simont: 'tar -xzf' extracts a gzipped file [09:10] <dtorg21> yes [09:10] <dtorg21> SG1: yes [09:10] <danielrr> SGI I did not understand your last question [09:10] <highvoltage> simont: 'tar -xjf' extracts a bzipped2 file [09:10] <salil> [madman] : what is gnome-session exactly..?? [09:10] <[madman] > salil: something else is causing that [09:10] <salil> [madman] : just the current session...?? [09:11] <SG1> danielrr: try to switch to tty2.. [09:11] <Zippys> /boot/vmlinux-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hdb1 ro quiet splash [09:11] <[madman] > salil: it's a package managing the whole sesison (what programs should be run, what to do on logout) [09:11] <salil> ooh.. [09:11] <SG1> Zippys: alright so remove quiet and splash and add the video= [09:11] <Zippys> ok [09:11] <[madman] > salil: could you check session settings ? [09:11] <Zippys> video=vga16:off? [09:11] <SG1> Zippys: see if it errors.. [09:11] <salil> [madman] : how do i do that..? [09:11] <SG1> Zippys: yes [09:11] <Zippys> ok [09:11] <Zippys> brb [09:12] <Kovecses> u guys here about xpde [09:12] <[madman] > salil: there's an option for logout confirmation [09:12] <SG1> dtorg21: hmm [09:12] <[madman] > salil: maybe it's that [09:12] <[madman] > salil: in settings, there's Session settings [09:12] <danielrr> Curren;ty the computer is frozen shall I reboot? Ifso,how do I get into tty2? [09:12] <[madman] > salil: (i have polish locale set, so can't give you exact names) [09:12] <salil> [madman] : that's what i'm trying to tell you.. the logout confirmation box has been changed.. and.. there's no setting there.. [09:13] <SG1> dtorg21: I have no experiance with ndiswrapper... http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/ [09:13] <SG1> dtorg21: but thats what you should check out.. [09:13] <dtorg21> SG1: thanks a bunch [09:13] <SG1> dtorg21: join #ndiswrapper [09:13] <bmp> How long should it take for Ubuntu to get the software raid setup? [09:13] <SG1> dtorg21: they have a channel [09:14] <bmp> It's been using lots of CPU for a long time now. [09:14] <danielrr> SGI Curren;ty the computer is frozen shall I reboot? Ifso,how do I get into tty2? [09:14] <SG1> danielrr: sure [09:14] <ilba7r> for ndiswrapper check this howto especially for broadcom card https://wiki.ubuntu.com//SetupNdiswrapperHowto [09:14] <SG1> danielrr: ctrl-alt-f2 [09:14] <SG1> ilba7r: good job, too new to ubuntu to know that XD [09:14] <pepp> hello I followed the instructions to install java at this site but not plugin luck with mozilla [09:14] <pepp> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java [09:15] <pepp> Could it be that the plugin links are broken? [09:15] <ilba7r> SGI you are welcomed [09:15] <Kovecses> pepp, yeah it doesn't you have to tweak it [09:15] <danielrr> SGI not doing a thing after ctrl-alt-f2 [09:15] <SG1> danielrr: is it fully booted? [09:15] <Kovecses> pepp, it puts the wrong plugin in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins [09:15] <SG1> danielrr: just wondering.. what platform? [09:16] <SG1> Zippys: any luck? [09:16] <danielrr> it got stuck during install andf froze after the sencond error I stated [09:16] <pepp> Kovecses: Which ones am I supposed to put in there? [09:16] <Zippys> One error and it seems out-of-topic. [09:16] <SG1> Zippys: .. give it [09:16] <Zippys> and black screen still. [09:16] <Zippys> Cd-rom: Open Failed. [09:16] <Zippys> lol [09:17] <SG1> Zippys: oh. [09:17] <SG1> Zippys: maybe it has the devices confused.. [09:17] <danielrr> SGI it got stuck during install andf froze after the sencond error I stated [09:17] <SG1> Zippys: wait [09:17] <Last_in_Line> What password does a fresh install of mysql set for "root"? [09:17] <Zippys> k [09:17] <SG1> Zippys: [09:17] <Kovecses> pepp, do an updatedb the locate libjavaplugin_oji.so and make a symbolic link...but remove the wrong plugin first [09:17] <Zippys> its blank. [09:17] <SG1> Zippys: when it boots up to a black screen [09:17] <SG1> Zippys: try ctrl-alt-f1 [09:17] <pepp> k [09:17] <puff> Afternon. [09:17] <puff> noon. [09:17] <Zippys> what will that do? [09:18] <SG1> danielrr: not sure what happened.. what platform? [09:18] <puff> I'm about 24 hours into installing ubuntu on my thinkpad (t43p) [09:18] <SG1> Zippys: switch you from X to tty1 [09:18] <Zippys> ok [09:18] <SG1> Zippys: it should give you a text login [09:18] <Zippys> ill try it [09:18] <SG1> Zippys: X may have misdetected something [09:18] <puff> A couple odd things; first, every now and then it pops up evolution, for no reason I can figure. [09:18] <Zippys> then do what? [09:18] <puff> Like just now. [09:18] <devios> Pan + ubuntu = crash when downloading 4 million msg headers. WindowsXP + Xnews or Newsbin client works fine. Wonder what the culprit is... Pan, GTK, Gnome, xorg? [09:18] <danielrr> intelx86 [09:18] <devios> (same system) [09:18] <SG1> Zippys: well then you know X is being funky with your monitor [09:18] <SG1> Zippys: and then I can help you [09:18] <SG1> Zippys: XD [09:19] <danielrr> SGI intel x86 [09:19] <Zippys> ok [09:19] <SG1> danielrr: ok [09:19] <puff> The first time, I thought I'd accidentally selected it when I was launching frefox, but I haven't gotten anywhere near that menu in an hour, this time. [09:19] <Pluton> how to fix the ubunto OO2 wizard bug? any workaround? [09:19] <SG1> danielrr: not sure what happened.. [09:19] <SG1> danielrr: maybe try a reinstall just for the fun of it? [09:19] <SG1> danielrr: *sarcasm* [09:20] <Kovecses> pepp, u got all that [09:20] <topyli> GigaClon: modesty is a virtue :) [09:20] <puff> Second problem, I did suspend-to-disk last night, opened it up today and turned it on, the startup message said something about compatibility problems with suspend, and it gave me a clean boot. [09:20] <GigaClon> hun [09:20] <Hawkeye> devios: I've had pan crash on me too when fetching headers of large groups. The problem lies with Pan and a crappy multi-threading implementation. They switched to a single-threaded core in the CVS version [09:20] <puff> I can't find that message in dmesg, would it go somewhere else? [09:21] <SG1> puff: ugh... suspend to disk... [09:21] <SG1> puff: it .. has issues.. [09:21] <[madman] > puff: generally works [09:21] <[madman] > puff: but not all times ;) [09:21] <SG1> [madman] : ... some machines.. its just dead [09:21] <puff> sigh. [09:21] <puff> Well, hm. [09:21] <SG1> puff: acpi sleep (low power mode) is much more reliable [09:21] <puff> I wonder if i could do it at the application level. [09:21] <Gourami> Hi, I just ripped a dvd to .ogg with VLC however with playback there is no audio, any ideas ? [09:22] <puff> Ah,how do i invoke that? [09:22] <puff> ACPi sleep... that's suspend-to-ram? [09:22] <[madman] > SG1: one big issue is not-working DRI after resume [09:22] <[madman] > puff: it also gives some errors, sometimes [09:22] <SG1> [madman] : true.. with the recent card.. forgive me.. my laptops are ancient [09:22] <puff> Okay... sigh. Oh well. [09:22] <Zippys> Grr... [09:22] <Zippys> No text login/ [09:22] <SG1> puff: do you do 3d video? [09:22] <puff> Any coments on alternative themes/window managers for ubuntu? [09:23] <SG1> Zippys: it hates you [09:23] <SG1> puff: yeah [09:23] <Zippys> lol [09:23] <SG1> puff: fluxbox/kde/anything you want :) [09:23] <puff> SG1: not yet - I got this laptop 48 hours ago, installed ubuntu 24d hours ago. [09:23] <nalioth> puff: they are ALL available for your trials [09:23] <puff> Yes, well. [09:23] <Mafi> what is the default user for mysql? [09:23] <[madman] > puff: xfce - whole new dekstop envrionment [09:23] <GNULinuxer> hey xyz [09:23] <Zippys> root [09:23] <puff> Whcih ones are reliable and easily supported and look great? [09:23] <Mafi> whit what user I could acces mysql by default? [09:23] <[madman] > puff: kde (a bit bloat;) and xfce [09:23] <puff> mainly, I don't want to swim outside the ubuntu mainstream until I get comfortable with the distro. [09:24] <puff> But I'd like to make the mac folks drool :-) [09:24] <xyz> Hey. [09:24] <Zippys> Mafi, root. [09:24] <topyli> puff: enlightenment [09:24] <Zippys> oh well [09:24] <SG1> puff: kde is suppurted [09:24] <puff> Somebody was talking about enlightenment on one of the forums; I thought enlightenment withered on the vine. [09:24] <[madman] > puff: so kde has a os x look [09:24] <puff> It's still around? [09:24] <SG1> puff: E17 is nice [09:24] <noah> are there any good up to date docs on defoma? [09:24] <SG1> puff: its not dead [09:24] <Kovecses> xfce is better looking than gnome [09:24] <topyli> puff: of course [09:24] <Zippys> Whys ubuntu hate me? :( [09:24] <puff> [madman] : no no, I want something that looks *cooler* than osx :-). [09:24] <[madman] > puff: enligtenment is in development [09:24] <cadu> kde has an osx look ? [09:25] <GNULinuxer> wave sexcopter8000m [09:25] <digitalfox> KDE can have an OS X look [09:25] <digitalfox> you can even have the global titlebar [09:25] <cadu> digitalfox: in what aspect? [09:25] <digitalfox> er, menubar* [09:25] <topyli> puff: i meant e16 though [09:25] <digitalfox> you can also get a theme called "Baghira" that clones it [09:25] <cadu> digitalfox: ah yeah but non-kde apps won't use it , so it's shitty :) [09:25] <[madman] > puff: E17 it is cool, but only snapshots... [09:25] <digitalfox> yeh :p [09:25] <puff> I also would like something that does some visual trick to keep people from looking over my shoulder, now that I have this nice, 15" screen. [09:25] <digitalfox> GNOME's design is more Mac-like [09:25] <Zippys> lol [09:25] <din> i have xfce sorta looking like a mac [09:25] <digitalfox> but not on the surface [09:25] <SG1> puff: kde +transparency+other eyecancy... can beat osx [09:26] <Zippys> i got to go to work in a hour :( [09:26] <topyli> osx looks like crap though [09:26] <[madman] > SG1: e17 can beat everything, but... [09:26] <SG1> Zippys: I have no clue whats making your screen black [09:26] <Zippys> lol [09:26] <SG1> [madman] : not yet.. [09:26] <[madman] > SG1: it's still unstable [09:26] <xyz> Meh, looks like Ubuntu won't work well with the HP L2000 laptops. [09:26] <Zippys> Thanks for trying. [09:26] <noah> defoma seems so pointless, it only makes fonts even harder to configure [09:26] <SG1> [madman] : I await hardware accel... [09:26] <SG1> [madman] : and stability.. [09:26] <din> http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xfcei8k2rz.jpg <-- xfce on my laptop [09:26] <[madman] > SG1: for these eye-candy animations? would be great [09:26] <din> :p [09:27] <SG1> [madman] : .. they had better be.. [09:27] <xyz> Freezes at X. [09:27] <SG1> xyz: :( [09:27] <[madman] > SG1: i like the beautiful applets (cpu speed, temperature, WLAN...) [09:27] <SG1> [madman] : yeah [09:28] <cadu> it's hard to code XFCE miniapps ? [09:28] <SG1> [madman] : Xorg+Xcomposite+Xdamage+Xrandr... [09:28] <SG1> [madman] : and then e17... [09:28] <SG1> [madman] : :) [09:28] <[madman] > cadu: it IS [09:28] <tahorg> anyone here knows when xorg will be usable again in breezy ? [09:28] <cadu> SG1: means = good looking ? [09:28] <[madman] > SG1: e17 is hard to install... [09:28] <SG1> cadu: yep [09:28] <SG1> cadu: and fast.. [09:28] <cadu> [madman] : even a very simple one ? just showing how many users are logged on [09:28] <SG1> [madman] : nah.. bunch of cvs.. [09:28] <topyli> SG1: and a cluster of 3g processors with 3g of ram each to run the system [09:28] <cadu> SG1: send me a screenshot of your nice looking system [09:28] <SG1> topyli: no not at all. [09:29] <[madman] > cadu: i tried to recode the battery applet [09:29] <cadu> [madman] : XFCE uses gtk right ? [09:29] <[madman] > cadu: it was a horror - just wanted to make it look better [09:29] <SG1> cadu: I dont run e17 right now.. its not hardware accelerated yet.. :( [09:29] <jowi> last time i tested (last week) some e17 apps were broken though [09:29] <[madman] > cadu: right... [09:29] <[madman] > cadu: gtk has an awful api, though - i prefer pygtk ;) [09:29] <jowi> ...like eclair [09:29] <Kovecses> who here uses something other than gnome? [09:30] <SG1> cadu: well I dont do screenshots much.. I do have an old one showing transparency on Debian/AMD64/Xorg [09:30] <jowi> Kovecses, i'm using windowlab [09:30] <SG1> cadu: hold [09:30] <Scouse> What's on the DVD ISO compared to the CD ISO? [09:30] <cadu> [madman] : i like python , i'm learning GUI (doing first gui apps) in python...tkinter instead [09:30] <cadu> SG1: http://foda-se.ath.cx/sendfile.cgi (http sendme file) [09:30] <SG1> cadu: transparency crazies http://linux.sg1net.com/stuff/snapshot1.png [09:31] <[madman] > cadu: well, IMHO tkinter is depreceated ;) [09:31] <xyz> Anyone have any experience with HP laptops? [09:31] <cadu> [madman] : sure thing, but for a gui that NEVER did any gui programming it's very good for starting [09:31] <[madman] > cadu: i wanted to learn to create a gui [09:31] <cadu> s/gui/guy [09:31] <xyz> Does Ubuntu generally work well with them? [09:31] <[madman] > cadu: and chose pygtk [09:31] <[madman] > cadu: it is easy and well-documented [09:31] <cadu> [madman] : i'm learning GUI so i'm using a simpler thing as TKinter [09:31] <djp> is it possible to disable the import photos warning that pops up when you attach your digi camera under hoary? [09:31] <danielrr> SG1 was my second atempt to install and like the first time it halted with the two mentioned errors [09:31] <cadu> [madman] : http://foda-se.ath.cx/received/snake.py <-- look what i'm doing [09:32] <SG1> danielrr: ugh.. [09:32] <SG1> danielrr: bad cdrom image maybe.. [09:32] <[madman] > cadu: i started writing gui applications few months ago [09:32] <SG1> ughhhhh GUI!!! *RUNS* [09:32] <Juhaz> I'm with madman, pygtk is perhaps the nicest gui toolkit I've seen so far, and by _far_ the most "pythonic" [09:32] <[madman] > cadu: wanted to learn GTK in C, but it is too complicated and the documentation is horrible [09:32] <SG1> [madman] : glade. [09:32] <danielrr> ok i got a few pressed copies so i will try another pressed copy [09:33] <SG1> [madman] : glade glade glade [09:33] <black13> whey i try to run X -configure i get "Missing output drivers. Configuration failed." [09:33] <black13> what does this mean [09:33] <[madman] > SG1: yes... i could use glade [09:33] <SG1> [madman] : :-P [09:33] <nalioth> black13: what are you trying to configure? [09:33] <[madman] > SG1: but wanted to learn real pygtk programming [09:33] <Juhaz> bah, glade is deprecated. gazpacho! [09:33] <danielrr> SG1 got a few pressed copies so i will try another pressed copy [09:34] <cadu> [madman] : that's what scared me, tried learning gtk in c and ran away [09:34] <SG1> [madman] : but see glade saved me...(I dont do gui) [09:34] <SG1> danielrr: ok [09:34] <cadu> [madman] : saw the code? [09:34] <black13> nalioth Xorg [09:34] <nalioth> black13: run in a terminal "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" [09:34] <[madman] > cadu: not yet, moment - i won't be able to run it, but can read ;) [09:35] <cadu> [madman] : okz :-) no python at the moment? :) [09:35] <[madman] > no tkinter [09:35] <cadu> [madman] : i thought it comes with default python install [09:35] <phixion> bah, anyone had luck installing partypoker? ;/ [09:35] <cadu> [madman] : at least on windows...a friend of mine is using snake.py [09:35] <[madman] > cadu: maybe i have tk... scribus depended on it [09:35] <phixion> getting errors from wine when trying to install it [09:36] <absenth> this might be a longshot, but is anyone here famailer with mindterm from appgate? [09:36] <cadu> [madman] : read it ? [09:36] <SG1> absenth: hear of it... I think I mess with it once.. [09:36] <[madman] > cadu: I looked at the code, for me this tk thing is inconsistent [09:36] <Kovecses> are wine and cedega the same thing? [09:36] <SG1> absenth: java ssh? [09:37] <absenth> sg1: that's correct [09:37] <[madman] > cadu: wait... i have a fairly simple pygtk example [09:37] <cadu> [madman] : why? ;"( [09:37] <SG1> absenth: whats wrong? [09:37] <Belutz> Seveas: could you help me with this? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/804 [09:37] <cadu> [madman] : my code is inconsistent? :'( [09:37] <absenth> sg1: I don't suppose you might know how to make the ssh client proxy through the www server it's running on [09:37] <[madman] > cadu: no, the toolkit [09:37] <cadu> [madman] : oh , sure it is [09:37] <SG1> absenth: you mean instead of using the client [09:37] <highvoltage> tiil should learn to use screen. [09:37] <cadu> [madman] : about my code? *sweats* [09:38] <[madman] > cadu: in pygtk, functions setting something have _set(...) [09:38] <SG1> absenth: due to the fact that java has security stuff... [09:38] <absenth> sg1: by default you pull up a site with the applet installed, and the applet runs on your local pc. [09:38] <cadu> [madman] : i'm using a LOAD of hacks to have the main function run appropriately [09:38] <[madman] > cadu: i'm not a python expert [09:38] <black13> nalioth thanks man that thing is pretty awesome [09:38] <[madman] > cadu: but looks good [09:38] <SG1> absenth: not offhand.. thats more a question for the java folks. [09:38] <danielrr> SG1 thank you for trying to help. If I need further help can I ask you? [09:38] <SG1> absenth: that'd be pretty cool [09:38] <SG1> danielrr: yeah [09:38] <absenth> sg1: I figured. [09:39] <[madman] > cadu: and it actually work ;) [09:39] <absenth> sg1: what I want it to do is run serverside so I can ssh to something behind the firewall. [09:39] <SG1> absenth: you could have a client server thing going on [09:39] <cadu> [madman] : me neither, started learning python 1 month ago, and learning Tk as i do snake.py [09:39] <danielrr> thanks SG1 [09:39] <SG1> absenth: ah [09:39] <cadu> [madman] : yeah, and i've implemented a tad of locks ...try to hit L D R quickly so you can actually enter into yourself [09:39] <absenth> alright, now to find a competent java channel :) [09:39] <cadu> [madman] : control the snake with w-s-a-d [09:40] <[madman] > cadu: do you have pygtk installed? [09:40] <SG1> absenth: Im interested now, could you join #sg1net and explain what your after. [09:40] <cadu> [madman] : no but i can install it in a tiny bit [09:40] <[madman] > cadu: http://ft.atr.bydgoszcz.pl/~madman/python/slog.py [09:40] <[madman] > cadu: it's a simple gui to add posts to my simple blog system ;) [09:40] <[madman] > cadu: the buttons are in polisg [09:41] <[madman] > cadu: but you'll see the concept of coding in pygtk when you look at the code [09:41] <cadu> [madman] : should i get python-gtk or python-gtk2 ? [09:41] <[madman] > cadu: gtk2 [09:41] <cadu> just a second [09:42] <danielrr> SG1 can you help me abit with partitioning? [09:42] <cadu> [madman] : can you please post the .py link again? tia [09:42] <[madman] > cadu: http://ft.atr.bydgoszcz.pl/~madman/python/slog.py [09:42] <cadu> [madman] : the snake.py worked as expected? were you able to move ? [09:43] <lican_> hello [09:43] <[madman] > cadu: yes, it worked [09:43] <cadu> [madman] : nice :) [09:43] <[madman] > cadu: only printed lots of data (tables) to the console [09:43] <cadu> [madman] : while i'm doing i like to see things working [09:43] <cadu> [madman] : those are the main snake array data [09:44] <SG1> danielrr: sure [09:44] <alexmic> hi all [09:45] <cadu> [madman] : the TK canvas object creates OBJECTS ...so i thought it would be idiot to be destroying objects at the tail and creating new objs at the head of the snake...as you can see in the main loop it creates the new position by shifting everyone 1 position BUT saving the tail <objid> and using it at the head...so i just move the tail to new-head constantly [09:45] <[madman] > hm... [09:45] <cadu> [madman] : i would like a canvas object like Delphi's ...a graphical thing i can draw [09:45] <jp> wow xchat-gnome really rox! [09:45] <[madman] > cadu: do you want to write games? [09:45] <cadu> [madman] : not at all...this is just a program i'm doing to _learn_ :) [09:45] <[madman] > cadu: pygtk has a gtkcanvas object [09:46] <cadu> [madman] : i like this snake game :) and it's cool to implement , the concept [09:46] <alexmic> I am trying to setup a wacom tablet (unsupported though) so i had to patch some source files and reconfigure and compile those files... [09:46] <[madman] > cadu: there's a PyGame package whiche has functions useful for game programming [09:46] <danielrr> I have partioned linux setups before butit was all graphical ie SUSE and Fedora Core 4 [09:46] <danielrr> SG1I have partioned linux setups before butit was all graphical ie SUSE and Fedora Core 4 [09:46] <jowi> danielrr, you can use gparted [09:47] <alexmic> The problem is that at compilation i get an error about Xorg-SDK. (first time I hear about it). I don't find any package on it nor doc on google and the file xf86Version.h is missing... what should i do?? [09:47] <[madman] > cadu: there are still areas i'd like to write something, but i'm not capable yet [09:47] <ilba7r> is there an onscreen keyboard in ubuntu like windows? [09:47] <[madman] > cadu: as tray desklets, or panel applets [09:47] <alexmic> -compilation +config [09:47] <[madman] > ilba7r: yes, there is - in gnome... [09:48] <ilba7r> what is the name of the application madman [09:48] <ilba7r> i use gnome [09:48] <[madman] > ilba7r: don't remember the name of the program :/ [09:48] <ilba7r> thanx madman [09:48] <ilba7r> i will try to look it up [09:48] <[madman] > ilba7r: it isn't probably installed by default [09:48] <danielrr> but jowi If I use the guided partation it dose not give /home partition [09:48] <[madman] > ilba7r: maybe gnomefiles has it listed [09:49] <topyli> ilba7r: the package is probably called gok [09:49] <moparfan90> hello everyone [09:49] <ilba7r> thanx topyli [09:49] <raven3x7> hi [09:49] <ilba7r> got it [09:49] <jowi> danielrr, you mean during installation of Ubuntu? [09:49] <raven3x7> does anyone know if nvidia 6111 should work with xorg? [09:49] <danielrr> yep [09:50] <moparfan90> any use windows vista yet? [09:50] <danielrr> yes jowi [09:50] <jowi> danielrr, i have actually never used the guide for that. [09:50] <ilba7r> thanx guys as always you are always helpfull and this is a great community [09:50] <alexmic> Does anyone knows the common path to xorg sdk and/or the package i should install? [09:50] <topyli> alexmic: sdk? [09:51] <alexmic> yes. THe config script looks for a xf86Version.h [09:51] <[madman] > alexmic: you meant -dev mackages? there were some changes in breezy [09:52] <[madman] > alexmic: there are many dev packages [09:52] <topyli> alexmic: ah. the development libs. do "apt-get search xorg |grep dev" or something [09:52] <[madman] > alexmic: or use synaptic [09:52] <[madman] > alexmic: i think it's more convinient ;) [09:52] <topyli> slow :) [09:52] <raven3x7> topyli alexmic apt-cache serach [09:52] <raven3x7> topyli alexmic apt-cache search [09:53] <moparfan90> i thinkif ubuntu tried to sell an upper model of the OS then they would make alot of money [09:53] <alexmic> yes but on synaptic I don't get much things [09:53] <enoch_> Folks, you are going to think I'm an idiot: Sometime today a number of packages uninstalled themselfves, including xbase-clients (w/ startx). Some of the packages are obviously interrelated, but others are not. I didn't do anything with synaptic.... the packages just diappeared. I needed to do an apt-get install xbase-clients to get here. Many of the uninstalled packages were packages I installed after initial installation. Please, this is creepy. Help me. [09:53] <[madman] > alexmic: yes, you're right - but it has a nice gui for browsing available packages [09:53] <[madman] > ;) [09:53] <danielrr> i want toi use manual jowi but (cannot rember my partion sizes I used for fedora) of how much space i should use for /, /home, and swap I have a 80 gig HDD [09:53] <alexmic> root@alexmic:/usr/src/modules/wacom # apt-cache search xorg |grep dev [09:53] <alexmic> pm-dev - proxy management protocol development files [09:53] <alexmic> xorg-driver-fglrx-dev - Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators (devel files) [09:53] <[madman] > alexmic: the main development package is x-dev [09:54] <topyli> raven3x7: righ [09:54] <topyli> t [09:54] <tucoz> hi, I just installed kde with apt-get install kde-core. The question is, how do I switch to kde? [09:54] <cadu> [madman] : nice [09:54] <cadu> [madman] : i'm looking at the code [09:54] <alexmic> [madman] : xdev is already installed and updated [09:54] <raven3x7> topyli actually i wonder why they made to coomands out of apt [09:54] <moparfan90> danielrr, i would say if you have two OS's then make that 30 gigs [09:55] <danielrr> ijust have one os [09:55] <moparfan90> there are other parts of ubntu that are in different partitions so 30 is alot [09:55] <cadu> [madman] : seems rather nice and easy [09:55] <frank> tucoz: when you login, change the session [09:55] <[madman] > alexmic: what was the name of the file again? [09:55] <alexmic> xf86Version.h [09:55] <Random_Sindrom> h jghv [09:55] <topyli> enoch_: install ubuntu-desktop and you'll at least have a working system [09:55] <cadu> [madman] : i've installed the -doc package too [09:55] <cadu> [madman] : i'll try it :) [09:55] <Random_Sindrom> grytrryy5r [09:55] <jowi> danielrr, my set up is 3gb for /. i have all installed that i need and stilll have 1,5gb left. i use 6gb /home. then i made a 20gb /media/data fat32 that i use cross platform [09:55] <[madman] > cadu: seems... still can't get to code treeview ;) [09:55] <alexmic> launching a full scan on my disk [09:55] <danielrr> moparfan90 I will be justing using ubuntu [09:56] <moparfan90> danielrr, oo if you just have one then make it around 5 gigs less thn your full drive. [09:56] <Random_Sindrom> tut65r6yghg [09:56] <Random_Sindrom> ookkl [09:56] <Random_Sindrom> h+}+uj [09:56] <Random_Sindrom> io [09:56] <Random_Sindrom> i} [09:56] <SG1> Random_Sindrom: ... [09:56] <redguy> ? [09:56] <MartenH> Does Gnome have a "tagline", like Ubuntu has "linux for human beings" [09:56] <tucoz> frank: ok, I am used to doing that. But I have started with startx and when I choose logout I come back to terminal [09:56] <[madman] > alexmic: seems this file doesn't exist any more [09:57] <[madman] > alexmic: i don't have it installed [09:57] <topyli> MartenH: not really. people come up with suggestions once in a while [09:57] <tucoz> frank: this is my first boot. Had some trouble getting xorg to work [09:57] <jowi> danielrr, i have 512mb ram so i choose around half that for swap [09:57] <MartenH> topyli: ok, thanks [09:57] <enoch_> topyli, I actually have a working system... but is there any reason why a number of packages would uninstall themselves? [09:57] <cadu> [madman] at least the code seems way cleaner :) [09:57] <frank> tucoz: try starting gdm or kdm instead of startx [09:57] <topyli> MartenH: if you have a nice one in mind, suggest it on the marketing-list [09:57] <alexmic> [madman] : argh! though the driver files where released on november 2005.. [09:58] <tucoz> frank: thanks. I'll try that [09:58] <tucoz> see you later [09:58] <[madman] > cadu: well... i thought the same before I started to learn pygtk;) [09:58] <moparfan90> did anyone here use windows VISTA yet??? [09:58] <MrGardenHoseMan> what codecs/plugins do i need to play windows media files? [09:58] <MartenH> topyli: Wokring on a background, wanted to add something like that to it... no suggestions though, you have any for me? :) [09:58] <[madman] > moparfan90: i've seen the blue screen screenshot ;) [09:58] <frank> MrGardenHoseMan: w32codecs [09:58] <cadu> [madman] : eheheh , i'll try it , really :-) [09:59] <jowi> moparfan90, win98-se still rocks! [09:59] <[madman] > moparfan90: so it doesn't have the red one implemented yer ;) [09:59] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks [09:59] <cadu> moparfan90: ahahha [09:59] <topyli> MartenH: "The Default" ;) [09:59] <cadu> [madman] : where? [09:59] <MartenH> topyli: lol [09:59] <[madman] > cadu: the screenshot? somwhere on the imageshack, lost the url [09:59] <moparfan90> well beta 1 just came out. if your a subsciber to microsft then you can get it [09:59] <moparfan90> its very good... i heard [10:00] <moparfan90> looks nice also [10:00] <tommorris> Hey all [10:00] <topyli> moparfan90: i heard that 5 years ago :) [10:00] <[madman] > moparfan90: text console looks good too;) [10:00] <jowi> hi tommorris [10:00] <Firetech> Is therte any difference in the ubuntu kernel patches that sets /sys/block/[device] /removable to 1 for External USB disk (I'm running a vanilla kernel). If not, can iI do anything to change that value. Pmount refuses to mount my new external drive because that value is 0... :( [10:00] <tommorris> Another mandatory 'can you please seed kubuntu-5.04-dvd-powerpc.iso.torrent', I'm afraid. [10:00] <ubuntu> anyone download windows xp pro 64 beta ... and have a cd key ... [10:00] <moparfan90> yeah. but they made alot of changes to it. so now it is coming out in 2006 and will rock!! [10:01] <alexmic> ok apparently this is a bug in the program... I found a site saying i should dowload xorg sources.... [10:01] <[madman] > moparfan90: i prefer rock on an audio cd ;) [10:01] <jowi> moparfan90, depends on what song comes as default for media-player [10:01] <topyli> moparfan90: good for them. i heard they might have some of the cool stuff gnome has now :) [10:01] <danielrr> wpould the root partitoipn be primary or kogical? [10:01] <tommorris> Just come back from the talk by Benjamin Mako HIll on Ubuntu and forking. Just thought I'd tell you how cool you guys are. [10:01] <jowi> moparfan90, if it is david byrne.... ehhh... welll..... [10:02] <jowi> danielrr, i would recommend primary [10:02] <danielrr> ok thanks [10:02] <moparfan90> ok people it will be very good.... not rock ;) [10:02] <ubuntu> how to recover a boot sector on a hdd [10:02] <[madman] > jowi: the default song should be 'die another day' ;) [10:02] <Riddell> tommorris: please keep poking me (and I'll keep poking the sysadmins) [10:02] <jowi> danielrr, your HDD can have only 4 primary partitions. if you make an extended partition that would have logical partitions inside it [10:02] <tommorris> thanks Riddell [10:03] <danielrr> bootable flag on or off? [10:03] <topyli> ubuntu: boot from live cd ; chroot to your linux root ; run grub-install [10:03] <JadeRobbins> =/ [10:03] <topyli> ubuntu: in short :) [10:03] <[madman] > ubuntu: boot sector only, or partition table too ? [10:03] <moparfan90> on. if you want to boot from that partition [10:03] <jowi> [madman] , i like that song. how about "highway to hell"? [10:03] <danielrr> ok thanks [10:03] <danielrr> ' [10:04] <ubuntu> cant get the segate drive software to access the drive, and the data was intact ... [10:04] <jowi> danielrr, your first primaty partition should have the boot flag [10:04] <JadeRobbins> hey if i came in here later could you fellas help me diagnose why my laptop doesn't like ubuntu? :( [10:04] <[madman] > jowi: well... and the animated boot screen should have floating lava on it, forming a VISTA string [10:04] <Random_Sindrom> some icon themes i've downloaded came with different sizes...Can I remove those I don't use (12x12 etc. [10:04] <jowi> [madman] , with sound-effects!!!!! [10:04] <hollowhead> hi [10:05] <PurpleWurld> I just can't get this dwl-g122 wireless usb dongle to work. even with ndiswrapper! [10:05] <PurpleWurld> any help? [10:05] <hollowhead> anybody knows how can I get Muine working on an x86_64 machine? [10:05] <PurpleWurld> keeps saying invalid driver, but I'm using the one form the disk [10:05] <jowi> PurpleWurld, d-link master talking. but unfortunatley never tried one in linux :-( [10:05] <[madman] > PurpleWurld: doesn't it have a native driver? [10:06] <ukh> PurpleWurld: is it revision A or B? different chipsets, IIRC [10:06] <PurpleWurld> a2 [10:06] <ukh> PurpleWurld: I think that should be a native prism2 chipset then [10:06] <tucoz> frank: thanks for the help. I am now happy with my ubuntu. :) [10:06] <tucoz> or rather kubuntu [10:06] <PurpleWurld> yeah, prisma02.inf, but it says invalid driver [10:07] <ukh> PurpleWurld: there *should* be a native driver [10:07] <PurpleWurld> What do you mean by *should* be a native driver? [10:07] <frank> tucoz: good :-) [10:07] <cadu> is this #windows? [10:07] <dtorg29_> #ndiswrapper [10:07] <[madman] > PurpleWurld: native means no windozee files ;) [10:08] <[madman] > PurpleWurld: try here: http://prism54.org/ [10:08] <JadeRobbins> When i installed ubuntu on my laptop everything went find, but when i am in gnome and i try to do anything it freezes up and does some funky stuff on the monitor and i have to hard reboot [10:08] <PurpleWurld> ohhh.. well maybe I'm not that great a researcher, but it didn't work out of box, and others have got it to work under ndiswrapper, but not me :( [10:09] <JadeRobbins> it can even sit there in gnome forever and not have trouble but the second i try to do some things it crashes and i don't even know where to begin diagnosing [10:09] <cadu> JadeRobbins: have you tried other window manager? [10:09] <JadeRobbins> yes [10:09] <hollowhead> ok, I'll narrow my question: does anybody know how to get Mono running on ubuntu (x86_64)? [10:09] <JadeRobbins> when i go into KDE it doesn't even let me sit there, it crashes even if i don't do anything [10:10] <frank> JadeRobbins: hard freeze? [10:10] <JadeRobbins> yeah [10:10] <[madman] > JadeRobbins: i'd say video driver problem [10:10] <JadeRobbins> . . . yeah that is what i was possibly thinking [10:10] <frank> JadeRobbins: you have a Athlon64 CPU? [10:10] <JadeRobbins> no no no it's an older laptop [10:10] <[madman] > JadeRobbins: did you try disabling hardware acceleration? [10:10] <JadeRobbins> with a Savage S3 Video card [10:10] <JadeRobbins> no i can't even get into like device manager so i don't really know how to do that in the console [10:11] <[madman] > JadeRobbins: you'd have to log in on a text console [10:11] <[madman] > and sudo <some editor> /etc/X11/xorg.conf [10:11] <JadeRobbins> yup [10:11] <PurpleWurld> has anybody here played w/ ndiswrapper? [10:11] <[madman] > JadeRobbins: and comment Load "dri" and Load "glx" entries [10:12] <[madman] > JadeRobbins: maybe this will change something [10:12] <JadeRobbins> okay, i'll give that a shot! sorry i don't really have it here :x [10:12] <[madman] > ;) [10:12] <JadeRobbins> i was just researching and figured this would be a great place to get friendly help, turns out i was right! [10:12] <maney> so has anyone else noticed that the 1.0.6 upgrade has hosed printing in Firefox? test page works in admin, Mozills broswer works fine, just as old, usable 1.0.4 used to... [10:12] <danielrr> for the swap partiyon is it primaryorlogical [10:12] <nalioth> JadeRobbins: if that dont work, i got a sure fix [10:12] <JadeRobbins> okwe well i'll do that when i get home tonight [10:13] <ukh> PurpleWurld: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4041.html (You really should be able to do it without the horrors of ndiswrapper) [10:13] <saku_0> hi everybody [10:13] <PurpleWurld> thx ukh. I'll give it a shit :) [10:13] <JadeRobbins> hello ;) [10:14] <danielrr> to create a swap partition should I make it primary or logical? [10:14] <Blissex> danielrr: either. [10:14] <saku_0> could you help me ? [10:14] <JadeRobbins> wow i'm so excited to get home and try it [10:14] <anael> asdf [10:14] <anael> sadf [10:15] <nalioth> saku_0: ask your question [10:15] <highvoltage> South African Defence Force? [10:15] <saku_0> i have an problem with kubuntu to setting the network in wifi [10:16] <saku_0> well , my system detect my card wireless [10:16] <Coder`TuX> any time i use some tool under system>administration i get some error "Child terminated with 1 status". what could be the cause? [10:17] <saku_0> and i want to setting this wireless in KDE control Module [10:17] <hugos> priviledge problem :P [10:17] <PurpleWurld> has anyone here set up freevo on ubuntu? [10:17] <saku_0> and i can't setting [10:17] <saku_0> it's my pb [10:17] <benba> hi my friends, i just wanted to tell everybody that ubuntu rocks ! ! ! [10:17] <JadeRobbins> that it does! [10:17] <Coder`TuX> hugos, can yopu help me solve it? [10:17] <[madman] > ben_d: and it also jazz'z ;) [10:17] <JadeRobbins> i actually love ubuntu [10:18] <PurpleWurld> I agree. I didn't even want to screw around w/linux until ubuntu [10:18] <hugos> Coder`TuX, dont have the knowledge for that [10:18] <JadeRobbins> and the whole open source movement, i've been using open source stuff in windows and loved, but i didn't know the joy of pure open source love via linux! [10:18] <skratch> hello, i've been having some problems with mysql on ubuntu [10:18] <saku_0> have you got an idea to resolve my pb ? [10:18] <saku_0> ty [10:19] <[madman] > JadeRobbins: well... i've been using linux for about 7-8 years for now... fallen in love from the start ;) [10:19] <eventualbuddha> i get an error when running this script: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/805 [10:19] <eventualbuddha> ./run: line 2: 1/usr/sbin/lighttpd: ambiguous redirect [10:19] <eventualbuddha> any idea why? [10:19] <[madman] > ;) [10:19] <JadeRobbins> yeah i never realized how nice it could be, i started with all GUI on ubuntu and have slowly become a console lover as well [10:20] <eventualbuddha> trying to follow directions at http://bougyman.com/miscfiles/RailsonDebian.html [10:20] <JadeRobbins> thinks like virtual terminals and stuff are so freaking cool [10:20] <JadeRobbins> things* [10:20] <[madman] > JadeRobbins: especially remote ones [10:20] <danielrr> thanks for everyones help.Have a nice reest [10:20] <danielrr> have a nice evening [10:21] <[madman] > JadeRobbins: remote glibc/ssh upgrades always bring some more adrenaline ;) [10:21] <JadeRobbins> yeah [10:21] <quitte> can someopne please tell me in which package /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.la is? [10:21] <JadeRobbins> like i set up my ubuntu file server at home to do concurrent VNC sessions [10:21] <JadeRobbins> i was so proud [10:22] <socomm> quitte: Should be xorg's core libraries. [10:22] <[madman] > quitte: development packages of these libraries [10:22] <quitte> socom can you tell me the exact package please? dpkg -S should tell [10:22] <Coder`TuX> any time i use some tool under system>administration i get some error "Child terminated with 1 status". what could be the cause, and how can i solve it? [10:22] <[madman] > but they don't exist in the breezy's xorg [10:22] <[madman] > quitte: just tried dpkg -S [10:23] <zerboxx> I have a printer problem, when I look at the printers properites it's looking for the printer, not where it is, and I have no clue how to switch this, or where the current printer is, anyhelp?? [10:23] <[madman] > quitte: well... tey're now in /usr/lib ;) [10:23] <quitte> [madman] : let me guess, you dont have the file? [10:23] <quitte> [madman] : oh. which package? [10:23] <[madman] > quitte: there is _no_ .la file [10:23] <LokeDK> How can I backup my Mozilla Thunderbird mails? [10:23] <[madman] > quitte: i have the library of course... [10:24] <quitte> hmm. same here. but some stupid package wants it [10:24] <hollywoodb> how do I properly disable startup/shutdown scripts so that I don't get "permission denied" errors from using chmod -x ? [10:24] <socomm> quitte: libx11-6 [10:25] <quitte> socomm: the file actually exists in that package? [10:25] <socomm> quitte: You can make link to your libx11 file. [10:25] <socomm> The package is called libx11-6 [10:25] <[madman] > quitte: this file existed in hoary... disappeared in breezy ;) [10:26] <socomm> quitte: Perhaps a link to libX11.a? [10:26] <[madman] > socomm: .a is a static library [10:26] <[madman] > socomm: .la is a description (text) file [10:26] <quitte> [madman] ,socomm thanks a lot. well, damn. [10:26] <quitte> socomm: can you dcc me that file? [10:26] <[madman] > quitte: xorg uses pkgconfig for now (breezy) [10:27] <socomm> quitte: It should be installed on your system if you install libx11-6 [10:27] <[madman] > quitte: there are .pc files, .la aren't used... [10:27] <quitte> [madman] : yes, i know. iirc it was imake that wanted that file [10:27] <[madman] > breezy is somewhat broken for now [10:28] <[madman] > quitte: i guess you need to fetch this file from hoary packages [10:28] <quitte> socomm: this is a sh3 system and i used xorg from breezy to compile it myself. so i hope that if i got that file from anywhere it'd work [10:28] <godzirra_> hey guys, when I run grub-install /dev/hda, I get "Could not get device for /boot: device not found or could not be read" [10:28] <fgr> does a hoary netinstall cd exist? [10:29] <renatohe> heloo [10:29] <jowi> godzirra_, it should be /dev/hda1 or hda2 or hda3 [10:29] <stnick_> i need to use the ymessenger package avail. from yahoo.com, however warty won't install it without --force-depends because it shows a depend on libssl0.9.6 and warty only offers 0.9.7 as installable.... the --force-depends option worked fine, except that now the system does not want to apt-get update unless i uninstall the ymessenger package... ideas anyone on how to workaround this? [10:29] <[madman] > fgr: not for now... [10:29] <[madman] > fgr: there probably won't be one [10:29] <fgr> maddler, work in prog? [10:29] <godzirra_> oOh. [10:29] <Beanwaur> neowin.net [10:29] <godzirra_> brb. [10:29] <fgr> ok [10:29] <JadeRobbins> i don't know of there is a netinstall cd, but the forum thread with the netinstall floppies worked AWESOME for me [10:30] <godzirra_> jowi: that doesnt work either. [10:30] <jowi> godzirra_, as sudo? [10:30] <godzirra_> the error is "Could not get device for /boot: not found or not a block device" [10:30] <godzirra_> Yes. [10:30] <godzirra_> and I'm almost 99% positive that I did it using grub-install /dev/hda [10:30] <jowi> godzirra_, hang on [10:30] <JadeRobbins> fgr: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29555&highlight=netinstall+floppy [10:30] <godzirra_> k [10:30] <fgr> JadeRobbins, thx [10:31] <JadeRobbins> no problem [10:31] <JadeRobbins> you might try putting those floppies onto a cd or something like that [10:31] <JadeRobbins> that would be pretty sweet [10:31] <[madman] > JadeRobbins: if it's one floppy - no problem [10:31] <JadeRobbins> oh [10:31] <JadeRobbins> well it's not :D [10:32] <[madman] > :/ [10:32] <jowi> godzirra_, ah of course. grub uses a different syntax. hda1 is (hd0,0) [10:32] <quitte> can someone please dcc me the libX11.la file? [10:32] <[madman] > JadeRobbins: thought about maing bootable usb disk for quick windoze-computer converting ;) [10:32] <JadeRobbins> oh snap [10:32] <JadeRobbins> that would be cool [10:32] <nevin> why not just a live cd? [10:32] <godzirra_> So I do grub-install (hd0,0) [10:33] <godzirra_> ? [10:33] <[madman] > nevin: livecd exists - but can't install from it [10:33] <occy> I did apt-get install gnome-mag but can't see where it installed anything. gmag or gnome-mag doesn't produce anything. How can I see the name of the app it installled? [10:33] <nevin> log in and out [10:34] <nevin> gnome sometimes takes some prodding to update menus [10:34] <JadeRobbins> or CTRL+ALT+Backspace [10:34] <nevin> rougher, but yeah [10:34] <stnick_> anyone know why out of the box, firefox seems to fail on downloads? [10:34] <[madman] > btw. do you know a patch for gnome-session to make it remember a broken session? [10:34] <JadeRobbins> i like it because it makes me feel special [10:35] <godzirra_> jowi: ? [10:35] <[madman] > (to have acpi power button shutdown gnome normally) [10:35] <nevin> madman: remembering broken sessions would be BAD, I tried that with RH in the day [10:35] <jowi> godzirra_, sorry, was away for a few seconds. yes, try it [10:36] <[madman] > nevin: i mean session should be saved every 30 seconds for example [10:36] <nevin> hmm.. interesting [10:36] <fgr> umm, anyone knows why i can't see + (plus) sign on my xchat ( it IS set to utf-8, like my ubuntu hoary) [10:36] <occy> is there an apt command I can see what binaries installing something will give you? [10:36] <scott> [OT] anyone know if gmail, hotmail or yahoo mark messages sent to a large number of their accounts as spam even if just the content doesn't warrant being marked as spam if sent to one account? I have to send emails out to about a thousand new students and I'm wondering if I need to spread them out over a few days to avoid getting marked as spam or if it doesn't matter. any ideas? [10:36] <occy> like... apt-get mozilla-firefox will give you firefox as the command you type to launch it. [10:37] <occy> err apt-get install mozilla-firefox rather. [10:37] <nevin> madman: bash script to copy ~/.gnome2/session to a backup [10:37] <jowi> godzirra_, got to leave for some minutes [10:37] <nevin> then startup scriupt to sort out [10:37] <[madman] > nevin: or some tool to remotely save gnome session [10:37] <[madman] > nevin: like gnome-session-shutdown [10:38] <nevin> what do you mean by remotely? [10:38] <nevin> ah [10:38] <[madman] > nevin: from shutdown script [10:38] <godzirra_> jowi: nope.. that doesnt work. [10:38] <nevin> wait, you get a broken session by not calling said prog [10:38] <[madman] > nevin: i'm used to press the power button to shutdown the computer [10:39] <nevin> right right [10:39] <[madman] > nevin: so my session is never saved [10:39] <renatohe> I've been a mac user for ages. Lately I became interest. in Linux. I just ain't able to install sw like in mac or windows. I tried everything thus far, but I am unlucky trying to install skype or anything else for that matter. Can anyone help me? It is riddicul to reboot on mac os x everytime I need to use skype. [10:39] <[madman] > nevin: i'd like to have a way to save it [10:39] <majikstreet> renatohe: what's the problem [10:39] <nevin> can you do bash scripting? [10:40] <nevin> madman: I'd just run a script every 30 seconds to back up the session file, and then restore last backup on boot [10:40] <[madman] > nevin: well... no problem, but i'd have to hack gnome-session a bit to detect if the session was saved [10:40] <[madman] > nevin: well... quite a good idea, too [10:40] <ukh> renatohe: I doubt there is a ppc linux edition of skype [10:41] <[madman] > nevin: but I think gnome should have such a feature built in [10:41] <nevin> definately [10:41] <[madman] > nevin: (no, kde doesn't do it - no, xfce neither;) [10:42] <JadeRobbins> xfce? [10:42] <dimitris> I can't seem to keep gaim minimized. Everytime i log in the main windows pops up! I have avtivated the tray icon plugin but it doesn't stay iconified! [10:43] <JadeRobbins> :X [10:43] <[madman] > JadeRobbins: well, acpi has a session manager, too. if I shut down the machine from ACPI, i get my last saved session [10:43] <[madman] > JadeRobbins: it should save session not only on proper logout, but on sending QUIT to session manager, too [10:44] <JadeRobbins> :S [10:44] <JadeRobbins> i want to go home and try that on my laptop [10:44] <JadeRobbins> i'm super pumped [10:44] <[madman] > ;) [10:44] <nevin> madman: can you change the command that acpi runs to shut stuff down? [10:45] <[madman] > nevin: yes, i can do anything i want on acpi events [10:45] <[madman] > nevin: but don't yet know how to remotely shutdown gnome [10:45] <[madman] > nevin: without asking user a confirmation [10:46] <zyth> hey, can I use 1 AP and 7 Range Expanders to spread a wifi signal around a building? (aside from issues regarding what happens if 1 repeater in the sequence goes out) [10:47] <salil> can anyone tell me the location of the login screen file.. or how to change them.. [10:48] <dimitris> System -> Administration -> Login Screen Setup [10:48] <nevin> madman: gnome-session-save --kill [10:48] <dimitris> Just paste the theme you want there [10:48] <nevin> madman: read the manpage [10:48] <[madman] > nevin: thanks, will try it out [10:48] <nevin> np [10:48] <[madman] > NeoFax: if it's possible, i wonder why ubuntu doesn't have it included in its acpi scripts [10:48] <sater> so are the creators of ubuntu in the debian community regulars here? [10:49] <sater> <-- first time opening x-chat, didn't even know about this chanel [10:49] <Randall64> Has anyone upgraded to breezy recently? It doesn't seem to be able to upgrade libc. [10:50] <DukGalNamu> cupsd child exited with status 13! [10:50] <DukGalNamu> crap i need to print!! [10:51] <[madman] > nevin: i'll hack on the scripts and file a patch on the ubuntu bugzilla [10:51] <DukGalNamu> i don't think i have cups running ATM, could someone tell me how to turn it on? [10:51] <zerboxx> With M$ I had never burnt a coaster CD, and I tried to burn my first cd with gnomebaker, and it turns out to have failed. Where can I find a guide to making sure that I don't burn more? [10:52] <salil> can anyone tell me how to change the login screen. !!!!! [10:52] <DukGalNamu> zerboxx: try reading it anyways, good chance that its still good [10:52] <xulin> hi [10:52] <zerboxx> DukGalNamu: It's supposed to be a full CD it stopped on track 2 or 3 :D [10:52] <DukGalNamu> someone help with cupds? [10:52] <Randall64> s/n in here is insane [10:52] <Randall64> salil: System->Login or something [10:53] <xulin> i have a problem .. in /dev/ i do a ./MAKEDEV agpgart but .. agpgart does not appear :s [10:53] <Kamui> @salil: system>administration>loginscreensetup [10:53] <[madman] > bbl. hacking on acpi scripts ;) [10:53] <Randall64> xulin: MAKEDEV doesn't mean much when you're using udev ... [10:53] <salil> Kamui: thanks [10:53] <Kamui> np [10:53] <DukGalNamu> zerboxx: ohh, thats odd, well those types of errors are common on winods machines also, it could just be that you got lucky the entire time you had windoze [10:53] <salil> Kamui: but that is not working.. [10:53] <Kamui> ohw? [10:53] <salil> Kamui: so i need to change the file itself [10:53] <bimberi> DukGalNamu: sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys start [10:53] <Kamui> ah [10:53] <xulin> Randall64, ah ok .. and why the device does not appear : s.. ? [10:53] <DukGalNamu> cool [10:54] <Randall64> xulin: device creation is automatic [10:54] <Randall64> xulin: Did you load the proper module already? [10:54] <xulin> Randall64, it look like :s .. [10:55] <bimberi> sater: welcome! yes, sometimes there's a developer or two here. There's also their own channel #ubuntu-develop [10:55] <Randall64> xulin: dmesg might reveal more [10:55] <Kamui> @salil: try changing gdm.conf in /etc/gdm to your liking [10:58] <DukGalNamu> crap, everything that tries to print crashes [11:00] <DukGalNamu> bimberi: any reason why programs would crash when trying to print? [11:00] <deprave__> what's the ubuntu version of traceroute [11:01] <deprave__> nevermind im out [11:01] <bimberi> DukGalNamu: hard to say. I'd start looking in /var/log (and subdirs) to see if there are any clues [11:01] <bimberi> DukGalNamu: programs? - more than 1 program? [11:01] <DukGalNamu> bimberi: yeah, firefox and xpdf so far [11:02] <Randall64> ugh, you can't upgrade to breezy and the snapshot torrent doesn't work [11:02] <bimberi> bimberi: k - more likely the printing system then I spose [11:02] <esac> any instructions for getting nvidia 7667 drivers going ? or do i just run their binary installer ? [11:02] <DukGalNamu> bimberi: talking to yourself? :P [11:02] <paul0> my X configuration is wrong, what utility ubuntu use for x86 configuration? [11:02] <Lorvy> Hey, just installed ubuntu but cant listen to mp3 files.. some missing codecs or something.. what should i install? [11:02] <bimberi> DukGalNamu: D'Oh yes :) [11:03] <DukGalNamu> bimberi: lol [11:03] <salil> someone help me with this.. [11:03] <salil> my gnome is spoilt because of kubuntu-desktop [11:03] <bimberi> the only good conversation I can get sometimes :) [11:03] <DukGalNamu> bimberi: although i am not running gnome i have some of the utils still, so what could i use to access the cups server [11:03] <salil> help please [11:04] <Randall64> salil: What does that mean? [11:04] <DukGalNamu> salil: they both should be able to coexist [11:04] <DukGalNamu> and kubuntu has no gnome standered [11:04] <DukGalNamu> it has kde [11:04] <salil> no.. kubuntu changed the login screen.. [11:04] <salil> now i can't change it back [11:04] <nevin> DukGalName: http://localhost:631/ [11:04] <hybrid_goth> thats why you get xfce and run kde and gnome progs [11:05] <DukGalNamu> salil: right, it pu kdm as the login screen [11:05] <Randall64> salil: It sounds like you're running kdm instead of gdm, so just fire up configure-debian and look around [11:05] <salil> kdm.. [11:05] <DukGalNamu> salil: i prefer xdm personally [11:05] <salil> what is that..? [11:05] <nevin> xdm is the barebones login manager [11:05] <Randall64> salil: It's the "login screen." [11:05] <nevin> packaged with X usually [11:06] <salil> :) [11:06] <DukGalNamu> salil: just type in a consol sudo apt-get install gdm [11:06] <bimberi> DukGalNamu: sorry, unsure, nevin's post looks promising [11:06] <salil> Randall64: configure-debain command is not there [11:06] <nevin> use gdm or kdm, not xdm [11:06] <Randall64> salil: If you install it it should be. [11:06] <nevin> they let you choose between kde gnome, xfce whatever easily on login [11:07] <nevin> xdm is harder to configure in that respect [11:07] <salil> Randall64: also. .. the logout confirmation options are changed too.. [11:07] <Lorvy> Hey, just installed ubuntu but cant listen to mp3 files.. some missing codecs or something.. what should i install? [11:07] <salil> Randall64: do you know how to change that as well..?? [11:07] <DukGalNamu> true, but i only log in using fluxbox, so its no problem [11:07] <rapha> Hi all [11:08] <nevin> lorvy: try using xmms instead of the prepackaged player, it comes with mp3 support builtin [11:08] <cadu> Lorvy: what are you using? [11:08] <DukGalNamu> nevin: that link doesn't work [11:08] <cadu> Lorvy: ouse xmms :) [11:08] <Randall64> salil: I've told you what you have to do. Get back to us when you've done that. [11:08] <Lorvy> just installed xmms (: doesnt work [11:08] <nevin> lorvy: sudo apt-get install xmms [11:08] <jowi> Lorvy, you are probably looking for gstreamer0.8-mad (if you are using totem) [11:08] <nevin> DokGalNamu: you must have CUPS not running [11:08] <salil> Lorvy: check the ubuntu wiki site for that.. its under restricted brands or something like that [11:08] <Lorvy> installed xmms through that add/remove programs.. [11:08] <nevin> DokGalNamu: is CUPS installed? [11:08] <xulin> Randall64, it ok now agpgart existe .. but .. now lanching gnome freeze at nautilus (in the gnome splash screen) :/ [11:08] <DukGalNamu> nevin: yup [11:09] <jowi> !restricted-formats [11:09] <ubotu> jowi: Are you smoking crack? [11:09] <Randall64> xulin: I can't help you make gnome not suck, sorry. [11:09] <nevin> DokGalNamu: is it running? [11:09] <salil> Randall64: i'm downloading a few libraries from the repositories.. so i can't run apt-get rite now.. [11:09] <xulin> Randall64, think this is a problem with the device :s not gnome :s .. [11:09] <Randall64> xulin: What is gnome doing with agpgart, exactly? [11:09] <DukGalNamu> nevin: not sure [11:10] <xulin> Randall64, don't know is on the nautilus load .. renderaccell .. [11:10] <jowi> Lorvy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats [11:10] <nevin> DokHalNamu: try running sudo apt-get install cupsys [11:11] <DukGalNamu> nevin: i know i have it, my printer has worked before... [11:11] <Lorvy> jowi thanks [11:11] <nevin> CUPS must have stopped then [11:11] <DukGalNamu> nevin: i just restarted it though [11:11] <nevin> Dok: nmap localhost [11:11] <emanuelez> hello! [11:11] <skratch> anyone here have problems working with mysql on ubuntu? [11:12] <DukGalNamu> nevin: nmap? [11:12] <emanuelez> is there a decent solution for gnome to burn audio cds from mp3s? gnomebaker is sooooo slow deconding mp3s to wavs [11:12] <nevin> Dok: sudo apt-get install nmap --- ubuntu doesn't come with it in the base system [11:12] <nevin> portscanner [11:13] <utamaru> is it possible to get w32codecs to work on the amd64-build? [11:13] <Ribs> utamaru: with a chroot, yes [11:13] <jowi> emanuelez, another burner will not help with the speed of converting. i prefer graveman though [11:13] <Ribs> utamaru: search the forums [11:13] <nevin> emanuelez: k3b should do it fine [11:13] <emanuelez> nevin: is k3b installable on ubuntu? :-O [11:13] <nevin> I should think so [11:14] <skratch> anyone? [11:14] <utamaru> Ribs, is chroot hard to do, i'm quite noob [11:14] <Ribs> k3b runs just fine here [11:14] <DukGalNamu> nevin: Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -P [11:14] <nevin> emanuelez: I'm installing it as we speak [11:14] <Ribs> utamaru: not hard, per say... Just pay attention to the guide, and have a lot of patience [11:14] <utamaru> okay [11:14] <utamaru> thanks [11:14] <nevin> DukGalNamu: have you played with your firewall? [11:14] <emanuelez> nevin: same here :D [11:14] <DukGalNamu> nevin: i shouldn't be firewalled [11:15] <DukGalNamu> nevin: dont tell anyone though [11:15] <DukGalNamu> nevin: :P [11:15] <nevin> Duk: no typo in "localhost"? [11:15] <DukGalNamu> nope [11:15] <nevin> hah will do [11:15] <DukGalNamu> andrew@AndrewLX:~ $ nmap localhost [11:15] <DukGalNamu> thats what i typed [11:16] <DukGalNamu> should i sudo it ? [11:16] <nevin> why not, go ahead [11:17] <DukGalNamu> nevin: ohhhh lots of problems [11:17] <DukGalNamu> nevin: pretty error screens [11:17] <DukGalNamu> nevin: :P [11:17] <DukGalNamu> nevin: not that bad actually [11:17] <nevin> hah [11:17] <LasseL> hmm, shouldn't ubuntu source /etc/profile automatically when I start a new terminal ? [11:17] <DukGalNamu> Could not determine what interface to route packets through to 127.0.0.1, changing ping scantype to ICMP ping only [11:18] <DekaPink> Anyone ever install Tibia on Ubuntu? :3 [11:18] <DukGalNamu> pcap_open_live: ioctl: No such device [11:18] <nevin> Duk: hrm, that's.... not a happy message [11:19] <DukGalNamu> nevin: i thought not [11:19] <nevin> Duk: that may just be part of things [11:19] <DukGalNamu> nevin: why wuould cups all of a sudden quit working? [11:20] <nevin> Duk: what does the output of "ifconfig -a" give? any pretty errors? [11:20] <nevin> I have truly no clue [11:20] <esac> how do i get into text mode ? my resolution for X is set screwy and i need to change it [11:20] <nevin> Duk: it may be unrelated to cups itself, but to these neat errors you're getting [11:20] <DukGalNamu> nevin: hmm, no pretty errors [11:20] <jk> esac: ctrl-alt-F2 [11:20] <jowi> LasseL, yes. and it does. /etc/profile will look for /user/someone/.bash_profile if you set it up (it does for me anyways) [11:20] <nevin> esac: ctrl+alt+1 [11:21] <nevin> esac: same difference [11:21] <jowi> LasseL, i meant /home/user/.bash_profile of course [11:21] <nevin> Duk: try nmap on your NIC's IP address... I'm at a lack of ideas to resolve your loopback problems [11:22] <LasseL> jowi, I changed my path in /etc/profile but it does not update the path when I open a new terminal [11:22] <LasseL> jowi, but a manual source /etc/profile does [11:22] <DukGalNamu> nevin: Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0.158 seconds [11:22] <esac> thanks, worked :) [11:23] <nevin> Duk: is port 631 open, or did it fail the same way? [11:24] <quitte> lool: are you there? [11:24] <jowi> LasseL, strange things. do you have the "export PATH" at the end? [11:24] <DukGalNamu> nevin: how do i enter the port? [11:24] <LasseL> jowi, i just appended to the existing path line .. [11:24] <jowi> LasseL, oh [11:24] <nevin> Duk: it should give you a list of open ports [11:24] <LasseL> jowi, maybe i need to log out? [11:25] <jowi> LasseL, maybe? i am actually not sure. [11:25] <DukGalNamu> nevin: nmap? [11:25] <flodine> hello folks [11:25] <jowi> hi flodine [11:25] <nevin> Duk: I'm sorry, by default, ubuntu closes port 631 from outside access [11:25] <nevin> localhost should have it though [11:25] <phixion> how do i go about installing the audio + video codecs? [11:25] <nevin> Duk: we're going have to fix you loopback first [11:26] <DukGalNamu> nevin: how [11:26] <LasseL> phixion, ubuntuguide.org covers that [11:26] <renatohe> can anyon help install skype? [11:26] <renatohe> i got this far [11:26] <phixion> LasseL, I'm not using the repositories from ubuntuguide.org [11:26] <renatohe> renatohe@maclinux:~/Desktop/skype-1.2.0.11$ [11:26] <DukGalNamu> nevin: ok, it was working until i had to restart my comp about a month ago [11:26] <DukGalNamu> nevin: not sure if that was the last time it was working [11:27] <LasseL> phixion, ok, then I don't know .. i did have some trouble myself using the backports [11:27] <DukGalNamu> nevin: but it was printing fine for a long while [11:27] <LasseL> phixion, maybe you can enable them just for the codec install? [11:27] <nevin> Duk: I'd say you might have to restart your comp... [11:27] <redbull> hello [11:27] <phixion> LasseL, yeah i usually have to do that, i was just hoping for a different way [11:27] <DukGalNamu> nevin: damn [11:27] <jowi> renatohe, download the debian package from skype.com. then you have to install libqt3c102-mt package [11:28] <nevin> Duk: it seems your loopback adapter has gone screwy, which means that you couldn't connect to CUPS, or amdminister it [11:28] <DukGalNamu> nevin: 14:27:36 up 33 days, 13:43, 6 users, load average: 0.07, 0.07, 0.08 [11:28] <Slipaway172> how do i install a .deb that is not in the repository [11:28] <nevin> Duk: hold on one second [11:28] <jowi> Slipaway172, dpkg -i filename.deb [11:28] <DukGalNamu> jowi: beat me to it [11:28] <Slipaway172> thanks [11:28] <salil> hey.. guys.. i am using gdm.. not kdm.. but still .the login screen is the same.. [11:28] <DukGalNamu> ? [11:29] <utamaru> Ribs, sorry, i just cant seem to figure it out [11:29] <DukGalNamu> salil: make sure you selected gnome... [11:29] <salil> yes.. i selected gnome [11:30] <DukGalNamu> does the login screen still look like kdm? [11:30] <xulin> Randall64, it freeze only with 686-smp kernels and not 386 .. i test 686 one without ht .. [11:30] <thespiritoftal> hi this is rather off-topic but can someone help me uninstall windows me and install windows 98? [11:30] <LasseL> thespiritoftal, what a horrible idea [11:30] <DukGalNamu> thespiritoftal: WAY OFF TOPIC [11:30] <quitte> thespiritoftal: dos and format can [11:31] <nevin> Duk: try running "sudo ifconfig lo down", then "sudo ifconfig lo up" [11:31] <DukGalNamu> stick the 95 CD in and install [11:31] <ebrown> anyone have luck with senao cards in ubuntu [11:31] <nevin> thespiritofhal: stick in the ubuntu 5.04 install CD... ;-) [11:31] <jowi> lol nevin [11:32] <thespiritoftal> I have ubuntu already lol but I need windows for my brother [11:32] <nevin> lol alright [11:32] <salil> DukGalNamu: please tell me what else i can check up on. [11:32] <DukGalNamu> nevin: heh, nmap localhost works [11:33] <nevin> Duk: port 631 is open? [11:33] <DukGalNamu> nevin: it only shows two ports [11:33] <MartenH> thespiritoftal: I think you need a boot disc for W98. Create one from Me, make sure it includes driver for the CD. then boot on that floppy, insert the w98 cd and run "setup" located on it [11:33] <DukGalNamu> nevin: so how would i open port 631 [11:33] <Ribs> utamaru: if windows 32 codecs are a killer feature to you, I suggest you stick with the 32-bit version of Ubuntu then. [11:33] <Slipaway172> un oh i see "win98" [11:33] <yang> hello everyone [11:33] <azik> thespiritoftal, mkdofs /dev/hda1 (or your win partition) , put your win98 cdrom, and reboot [11:34] <jowi> hi yang [11:34] <yang> i have some problem with firefox [11:34] <nevin> Duk: it should be open if CUPs is running, but CUPS may have failed due to the fact localhost was mucked up earlier [11:34] <utamaru> Ribs, not really. I just had some anime i'd like to see, but it was w32-encoded. [11:34] <nevin> try restarting CUPS again [11:34] <jowi> yang, what problem? [11:34] <DukGalNamu> nevin: alright, so i will restart cups [11:35] <yang> after i upgrade to FF 1.06, everytime i save a picture from web, it says "XML parsing error..." [11:35] <nevin> restart firefox after upgrade [11:35] <MartenH> Is it possible to move a window from one desktop to anohter? [11:35] <nevin> yang, stuff gets out of sync taht way [11:35] <DukGalNamu> nevin: 631 open :) [11:35] <tucoz> Hi, I installed hoary today and updated the packages. After the update (I think) the boot crashes unless i edit the boot with acpi=off [11:35] <salil> MartenH: yes it is.. select the window and press Shift+Ctrl+Alt+<arrow keys> [11:35] <nevin> Duk: http://localhost:631/ [11:36] <DukGalNamu> just did it, but maybei should just try printing now/ [11:36] <anders__> hello [11:36] <tucoz> it's on a laptop [11:36] <Mondoshawan> somebody using Windowmaker and it is unstable [11:36] <Mondoshawan> ? [11:36] <yang> o i c [11:36] <MartenH> salil: ty! [11:36] <nevin> MartenH: you can also right-click on titlebar, and select move right/left, or the workspace number [11:36] <anders__> i have created an live net radio :) like to here it?? [11:36] <cadu> Mondoshawan: strange, coz windowmaker rocks [11:36] <linukso> MartenH: <ctrl><shift><alt><left or right> [11:36] <DukGalNamu> nevin: printer works !!!!!1 [11:36] <DukGalNamu> one [11:36] <nevin> Duk: awesome! [11:37] <linukso> Mondoshawan: I've tried it in ubuntu, but no stability issues... [11:37] <Mondoshawan> yes i love it but some times he shuts down without reason or my browser shuts down without reason [11:37] <yang> seems like the problem are solved now, :) i restart the FF, thx everyone [11:37] <MartenH> NeoFax: ty too :) and linukso also :) [11:37] <salil> MartenH: you can right click on the window name in the tasklist bar.. and select "Move to another workspace" [11:37] <nevin> np yang [11:37] <anders__> the radio neam is dalarax.linux.dk:8000 [11:37] <tucoz> any tips on what might have caused this? [11:37] <linukso> Anyone here ever tried any of the gnustep apps and actually liked it? [11:37] <Mondoshawan> i want to update on 0.92 but i am not really smart in this [11:37] <jowi> Mondoshawan, i have not have any stability issues with windowmaker. [11:38] <Mondoshawan> what version you have? [11:38] <azik> my printer is a canon s200x but no color printing is posible, there is a patch to other version of gimp-print that come with ubuntu, but i think is *risky* to patch other version... [11:38] <nevin> tucoz: do you have an acpi computer? [11:38] <linukso> Mondoshawan: for 0.92 I think you have to use backports, which I don't encourage.... [11:38] <tucoz> yes, it's a laptop [11:38] <Mondoshawan> what are backports? [11:38] <jowi> !backports [11:38] <ubotu> backports is, like, .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [11:38] <Travis> whats the command to chmod every file in a folder to 777? [11:39] <nevin> Travis: chmod 777 * [11:39] <Travis> k [11:39] <Travis> thanks [11:39] <nevin> np [11:39] <Mondoshawan> oh thanks [11:39] <Amaranth> ack [11:39] <Amaranth> xchat beeps when you say Travis :) [11:39] <nevin> hah pwnt [11:39] <tucoz> nevin: acpi is for powermanagment right? Anyway, I noticed this when I rebooted when I installed the fglrx driver. The shutdown process froze on the acpi stuff [11:39] <salil> Travis: that means you're allowing everyone in the system to read,write and execute those files [11:39] <anders__> hehe [11:39] <Amaranth> ack [11:40] <tucoz> acpi worked fine before. [11:40] <nevin> tucoz: your laptop may have non standard acpi for some reason... try googling, if you haven't already [11:40] <salil> Travis: i'm sorry .. i thought you asked what that ment. !! ;P [11:40] <procrastinator> When running vncviewer in fullscreen, how the hell do you exit it? [11:40] <Travis> ok [11:40] <godzirra_> Does the grub that comes with ubuntu have splashimage support? It says it does, but when I try and load a splashimage with the grub config, I get a funky looking ascii lines thing. If I load it in the grub commandline before booting, I get it just fine. [11:40] <nevin> tucoz: changes to acpi may have mucked stuff up that in that regard [11:41] <Travis> nevin that only did the every file in that folder, not the folders in the folder [11:41] <Amaranth> godzirra_: err, that would mean it works, wouldn't it? [11:41] <azik> godzirra_, yes it has it :) [11:41] <tucoz> nevin: I'm not sure what you mean? changes when I updated? [11:41] <Amaranth> btw, where can i find splash images and where do i put them to make grub use them? [11:41] <linukso> backports official! d*nm... Never thought that would happend! [11:41] <godzirra_> Amaranth: Well... It works from the command line but when I boot and it tries to load the image behind while its booting, I get funky looking ascii crap. [11:42] <godzirra_> i.e. it works at the grub command line, but when booting it doesnt. [11:42] <linukso> any conflicts with the stable repositories? [11:42] <azik> godzirra_, something like "splashimage (hd0,2)/grub/linux.xpm.gz" to put in your menu.lst and go :) [11:42] <godzirra_> I did. [11:42] <godzirra_> It doesnt work :( [11:42] <nevin> yeah, the acpi software or whatnot might have broken support for your laptop's acpi [11:42] <Travis> how can I chmod EVERY file and folders within a folder to 777? [11:42] <godzirra_> I have "splashimage (hd0,2)/grub/splashimages/debian_cooleye.xpm.gz" [11:42] <anders__> man that radio is cool [11:42] <linukso> Travis: man chmod is your friend [11:42] <nevin> tucoz: try "chmod 777 `find .`" [11:43] <godzirra_> and that line works fine if I type it at the grub command line, but it doesnt work when booting up. [11:43] <nevin> whoops [11:43] <nevin> not tucoz [11:43] <tucoz> Oh, ok. That makes sence. I'll google some more. [11:43] <tucoz> :) [11:43] <nevin> sounds good [11:43] <tucoz> thanks nevin [11:43] <nevin> anytime [11:43] <renatohe> i have on my G4 desktop the unpacked skype. Who can help me? [11:43] <azik> godzirra_, it's a 14 color,640x480, xpm image? [11:44] <azik> try other picture [11:44] <godzirra_> hrm.. I didnt try a different picture. [11:44] <azik> it's works on my grub [11:44] <godzirra_> one second.. lemme try again. [11:44] <thelow> anyone knows how to commit changes made to the yaboot.conf file? i guess you need to update the bootstrap configuration... or am i wrong? [11:44] <anders__> i have meak a ubuntu live radio if some are intrest ?? [11:44] <cadu> renatohe: ? [11:44] <nevin> renatohe: what do you mean by unpacked? you have source? a .deb? [11:44] <cadu> renatohe: skype for PPC? [11:44] <godzirra_> (Although the picture DOES work at the command line which is weird...) [11:44] <tucoz> Just a quick one. How do I get ubuntu to mount my usb-mass-storage disk? [11:44] <godzirra_> actually.. azik, can you send me one thats working for you? [11:44] <nevin> tucoz: it should automatically [11:44] <azik> yes, wait a moment [11:44] <renatohe> Yes skype for powerpc on a targzbin2 [11:45] <tucoz> hmm, it doesn't [11:45] <cadu> renatohe: just unpack and click 'skype' [11:45] <nevin> tucoz: run nautilus --browser and it should appear in the left pane [11:45] <tucoz> I am running kde [11:45] <nevin> um [11:45] <LasseL> tucoz, I put /dev/sda1 /media/ipod auto noauto,user,rw 0 0 in my /etc/fstab [11:45] <nevin> tucoz: look in /media [11:46] <thelow> anyone knows how to commit changes made to the yaboot.conf file? i guess you need to update the bootstrap configuration... am i wrong? [11:46] <tucoz> nevin: only the cdrom in /media [11:46] <nevin> LasseL, tucoz: I had that fstab entry, but the kernel starting making stuff sdb1, etc. [11:46] <nevin> is the disk plugged in? [11:46] <tucoz> LasseL, ok, thanks. I'll look there [11:46] <tucoz> yes [11:47] <LasseL> tucoz, try just writing "mount" on a prompt [11:47] <nevin> sorry renatohe, impuse-closed it [11:47] <renatohe> cadu: I did it and nothing happens [11:47] <LasseL> tucoz, then see if you can see it in dev "ls /dev/sd*" [11:47] <tucoz> after I edit fstab? [11:47] <anders__> fore ubuntu peapols gow at dalarax.linux.dk:8000 [11:48] <salil> can anyone help me install bluetooth adapter...?? [11:48] <LasseL> tucoz, before -- see if you need to edit fstab [11:48] <tucoz> ok [11:48] <LasseL> anders__, #ubuntu-dk :) [11:48] <cadu> LasseL: oh , ubuntu uses Udev ? [11:48] <tucoz> LasseL, what do I look for in the list of sd*? [11:49] <nevin> tucoz: whatever mount says [11:49] <cadu> tucoz: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash [11:49] <LasseL> tucoz, any entry [11:49] <nevin> tucoz: try dmesg | less [11:49] <anders__> Lassel year he [11:49] <nevin> it'll tell you which drive it is [11:49] <nevin> sorry [11:49] <nevin> tucoz: just dmesg, you want the very end of it [11:49] <salil> can anyone help me to install bluetooth adapter..? [11:49] <thelow> does anyone know why i get this message during boot?: "radeonfb ... invalid ROM signature 303, should be 0x9955" the card seems to be recognised [11:50] <nevin> salil: we need more info [11:50] <liz4rd> hqas anyone tryed the new enlightenment or w.e? [11:50] <tucoz> is there a paste here? [11:50] <tucoz> found it [11:51] <salil> nevin: what kind of info..? [11:51] <godzirra_> azik: ok.. I took a picture of it [11:51] <nevin> salil: model, make, etc.... have you googled it to see if linux supports it? [11:51] <mpmc> !memo [11:51] <ubotu> mpmc: I haven't a clue [11:51] <godzirra_> azik: I took a picture of what my screen is doing... one sec while I put it on a server [11:52] <salil> nevin: i don't know the model or make.. [11:52] <mpmc> How do I use this memo bot? [11:52] <othernoob> what's the kdedir on kubuntu? [11:52] <cadu> !how do i use this memo bot [11:52] <ubotu> cadu: Are you smoking crack? [11:52] <cadu> :-) [11:52] <Riddell> othernoob: /usr [11:52] <tucoz> LasseL or nevin: care to take a look at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/806 [11:52] <tucoz> It's the end of the dmesg [11:52] <othernoob> thought so, thanks [11:52] <Riddell> othernoob: kde-config --prefix [11:52] <salil> nevin: its not given on the adapter [11:53] <tucoz> It's listed there. Weird that it doesnt show up in media or mnt [11:53] <mpmc> !help [11:53] <salil> nevin: its just a small adapter , like a usb drive.. and you plug it into usb [11:53] <nevin> tucoz: you're going to need to mount /dev/sdb1 as an auto filesystem [11:54] <tucoz> ok, so then I edit fstab to do that? [11:54] <LiNoH> somebody help me with ubuntu 5.04 instalation [11:54] <xulin> Randall64, touchdown ! .. snd-atiixp-modem with freeze the system at gnome startup if it is loaded ... [11:54] <nevin> salil: try pluggin it in, look at the pertinent stuff at the end of dmesg (run dmesg a few seconds after pluggin in) [11:54] <nevin> tucoz: yeah [11:54] <hollywoodb> are universe packages for amd64 fairly safe? there's a handful of applications I want, about 12 packages with dependecies included [11:54] <LasseL> tucoz, right. look at the line i gave you. remember to create the folder in /media first :) [11:55] <tucoz> yes, thanks alot guys [11:55] <LasseL> tucoz, then "sudo mount -a" to reload fstab [11:55] <LiNoH> [[ somebody help me with ubuntu 5.04 instalation ] ] [11:55] <jowi> LiNoH, you need to be more specific :-) [11:55] <LiNoH> :) [11:55] <nevin> LiNoH: what seems to be troubling you w/re to the install? [11:56] <LiNoH> how can i set the root password? [11:56] <salil> nevin: it shows [Bluetooth: Core ver 2.7 [11:56] <salil> NET: Registered protocol family 31 [11:56] <salil> Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized [11:56] <salil> Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized [11:56] <salil> Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.7 [11:56] <salil> Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized [11:56] <salil> Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.5 [11:56] <Blissex> LiNoH: you should ask specific question. [11:56] <salil> Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized [11:56] <salil> Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized [11:56] <salil> ] [11:56] <mpmc> Use #flood! [11:56] <jowi> salil, please no flooding in here [11:56] <yang> hello again, i want to install abiword, but from Synaptic it says that some dependable library are not installable (libenchant1). What should I do? how am I supposed to install that library? [11:56] <Firetech> What can be wrong if my USB 2.0 external drive gets recognised as a high speed device, but doesn't give me speeds over 10 MB/s (approx 80 Mbps)? [11:57] <salil> jowi: sorry.. i was not trying to flood [11:57] <nevin> salil: look for model/make info [11:57] <LiNoH> how can i set the root password after install ubuntu 5.04? i couldnt use sudo [11:57] <mpmc> Firetech: maybe a bottleneck? [11:57] <cybernightlife> LiNoH: Did you use the default install? [11:58] <LiNoH> yes [11:58] <Firetech> mpmc: It's the same for all my USB 2.0 stuff [11:58] <azik> Firetech, i think that is not a bad speed [11:58] <LiNoH> i saw an website [11:58] <Firetech> What could that bottle neck be [11:58] <LiNoH> that explains how to install ubuntu [11:58] <LiNoH> step by step [11:58] <MartenH> LiNoH: That and many useful things are explained on http://ubuntuguide.org/ [11:58] <Firetech> azik: well... High speed usb should go up to 480 Mbps [11:58] <mpmc> firetech: yes a bottleneck, mouse,printer,webcam? [11:59] <cybernightlife> What I did to solve the problem was use the expert mode. This mode allows you to enter the root password at the time the user accounts are created. [11:59] <mpmc> !guide [11:59] <ubotu> mpmc: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about [11:59] <hollywoodb> I just used 'sudo passwd root' after the system was installed... didn't need a password to run the sudo command [11:59] <mpmc> !ubuntu [11:59] <ubotu> ubuntu is, like, an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian. http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. [11:59] <Firetech> mpmc: you mean other USB stuff or? [11:59] <mpmc> !ubuntuguide [11:59] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why. [11:59] <salil> anyone who can help me install bluetooth adapter..? [11:59] <mpmc> firetech: yes... [12:00] <Firetech> hmm

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.219038

2005-08-02-#ubuntu-devel

[12:01] <seb128> Burgundavia: but that's the cancel from the login dialog, where you pick your username? [12:01] <Burgundavia> seb128, yes [12:01] <Mez> kool infinity :D thatnks for the update [12:01] <martinhj> sladen: the ones official shipped with hoary and the ones I haved tried in breezy (2.6.12) [12:02] <seb128> Burgundavia: weird [12:03] <Burgundavia> seb128, I am also having a wierd resize issue with nautilus (new browwer mode). I suspect I may just have a borked nautilus [12:03] <sladen> mjg59_: martinhj's Acer TravelMate 620 worked with 2.6.11-1-686 from hoary universe, doesn't work with current breezy 2.6.12 kernel, was anything added/changed to try and fix things up? Apparently acpi-events aren't getting passed through [12:03] <Riddell> mdz, Kamion: am I ok to upload a new koffice 1.4.1 i18n package? [12:04] <tseng> infinity: do you see an evolution-sharp kick in your future? [12:04] <mjg59_> sladen: Nothing I can think of off-hand [12:04] <mjg59_> Though it's an Acer, so, well... [12:04] <mdz> Riddell: koffice 1.4.1 is already uploaded? [12:04] <Riddell> mdz: yes [12:05] <mdz> Riddell: yes [12:05] <Riddell> thanks [12:05] <infinity> tseng : Will it build this time? :) [12:06] <martinhj> mjg59_: but it works with kernels from the Linus' tree at kernel.org at least [12:07] <tseng> infinity: you know what, let me remove universe from my pbuilder and try that [12:07] <seb128> Burgundavia: what kind of issue? [12:08] <Burgundavia> seb128, when I open nautilus, it flashes for about 1 sec to full screen, then down the remembered size [12:08] <Burgundavia> and i don't have a slow machine [12:09] <seb128> weird [12:09] <whiprush> I just noticed that today also [12:09] <tseng> infinity: deps seem resolveable [12:09] <whiprush> also when hitting alt-f2 it does some weird flashing thing [12:10] <tseng> infinity: by pbuilder wiht only main/restricted. [12:10] <Burgundavia> whiprush, it is jumping 2 workspaces left [12:10] <martinhj> sladen: / mjg59_: another thing that does not work with the ubuntu kernels besides the kernel events is that the brightness of the screen does not change when I plug/unplug the cable.. it does with other kernels [12:10] <infinity> tseng : Good to hear, cause I already gave it back. [12:10] <Burgundavia> seb128, basically, whenever it draws a new window, it is jumping 2 workspaces left [12:11] <tseng> infinity: /me fanboys [12:11] <tseng> *hide* [12:11] <sladen> martinhj: the screen still works with the Ubuntu -686 kernel from universe? [12:11] <sladen> martinhj: screen brightness changing on AC change? [12:11] <Burgundavia> whiprush, can you confirm that that is what is happening to you? [12:12] <mjg59_> martinhj: Yeah. Could you possibly try the latest 2.6.13-rc kernel? [12:12] <martinhj> sladen: yes, it does [12:12] <tseng> Burgundavia: were you the beagle + blam exploder dude? [12:12] <mjg59_> It should have similar acpi code to ours [12:12] <Burgundavia> seb128, might this be a keyboard breakage issue? [12:12] <Burgundavia> tseng, yes [12:12] <seb128> would be weird [12:12] <tseng> Burgundavia: please test again in a few hours when evo-sharp builds [12:12] <martinhj> mjg59_: from kernel.org or is it something in the repositories? [12:12] <Burgundavia> tseng, beagle is currently non-functional on my machine [12:12] <mjg59_> martinhj: From kernel.org [12:12] <tseng> Burgundavia: i qualified "when evo-sharp builds" [12:13] <Burgundavia> ah, ok [12:13] <Burgundavia> tseng, cheers [12:13] <tseng> im assuming that if your blocker [12:13] <tseng> if not, id still be interested to hear back [12:13] <Burgundavia> if it isn't, I will file a bug [12:13] <tseng> cheers, please assign [12:13] <martinhj> mjg59_: wont be doable before monday at least.. I'm going on vacation now.. but when I get home, I will... [12:15] <mjg59_> martinhj: Cool, thanks [12:18] <infinity> tseng : Still fails here. [12:18] <tseng> infinity: gar [12:19] <tseng> infinity: unresolved build-dep? [12:20] <infinity> Still no mono-classlib-1.0-1.1.8.2 [12:20] <infinity> (which was provided by what, again?) [12:21] <tseng> mono source [12:21] <tseng> it should just divert to mono-classlib-1.0 [12:21] <tseng> which makes me wonder why we have it at all, but i didnt make that call [12:21] <tseng> im sure there is a rational explination [12:22] <infinity> Right, the virtual package is provided by mono-classlib-1.0. [12:22] <infinity> Which still doesn't appear to be in main. [12:22] <tseng> huh [12:22] <tseng> but we... seeded it [12:22] <tseng> days ago [12:23] <infinity> Yes.. [12:23] <infinity> kamion : Still around? [12:24] <Kamion> infinity: just [12:25] <infinity> Kamion : Care to skool me on why seeding something to supported a couple of days ago doesn't (didn't?) magically make it jump to main? :) [12:25] <infinity> Kamion : mono-classlib-1.0{,-dbg} in this case. [12:25] <Kamion> because promotion to main is not automatic [12:25] <Kamion> it needs an ftpmaster to run teri [12:25] <infinity> Oh, feh. That makes perfect sense. [12:26] <Kamion> it's not on the promotion list though, one sec [12:29] <Kamion> oh, er, cron.sync doesn't seem to have run since 21 July [12:30] <Kamion> at least, not to completion [12:30] <Kamion> # Germinate uses python logging module which clashes with katie's [12:30] <Kamion> export XPYTHONPATH=$PYTHONPATH [12:30] <Kamion> unset PYTHONPATH [12:30] <Kamion> elmo: dude, you called a private module logging? :-) [12:30] <restrex> anyone running the latest xorg build? [12:31] <Kamion> elmo: I think this is yours to look at, anyway; all I can assume is that cron.sync is set -e'ing out before it gets round to running germinate, but I don't have the cronmail to tell me why [12:31] <Burgundavia> seb128, whiprush has confirmed the bug [12:34] <seb128> what bug? [12:34] <Burgundavia> the wierd jumping workspaces bug [12:34] <Burgundavia> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12994 [12:35] <tseng> seb128: heh evince is 100x faster. you rock [12:36] <Burgundavia> 2 sec to load. Think we just kicked the crap out of acroread [12:36] <seb128> tseng: I've not done a lot for this but thanks :) [12:37] <tseng> Burgundavia: i was more bothered by taking several seconds to draw pages as i scroll through [12:37] <Burgundavia> tseng, yes [12:37] <tseng> Burgundavia: on a 500 page book [12:37] <tseng> its now very fast. [12:37] <Burgundavia> cool, go none of those [12:37] <seb128> Burgundavia: you do alt-F2 and that change workspace? [12:38] <Burgundavia> some dialogs cause you to show 2 workspaces to the left while drawing the window [12:38] <Burgundavia> after they are finished drawing, they show you the correct window [12:38] <Burgundavia> that is what is so baffling [12:40] <seb128> works for me (tm) [12:40] <Burgundavia> well, whiprush has it as well [12:41] <Burgundavia> and we tested new users, so it is not something user specific [12:41] <seb128> maybe you lack some updates [12:41] <Burgundavia> for what? [12:41] <seb128> or maybe xorg is borked [12:42] <seb128> dunno [12:42] <Burgundavia> I have nothing pending to update [12:42] <seb128> maybe xorg is b0rked [12:42] <Burgundavia> likely [12:42] <Burgundavia> daniels, seb128 blames my bug on you [12:43] <tseng> ez gtk boog [12:47] <Burgundavia> seb128, should I file beagle bugs in bugzilla? [12:48] <seb128> Burgundavia: ask tseng [12:48] <restrex> anyone have the xbase-clients 6.8.2-35 package to share? Thanks. [12:50] <Burgundavia> tseng, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13030 [12:53] <doko> seb128: pong [12:54] <seb128> doko: so, what do we need to do to fix firefox? [12:54] <seb128> doko: totem FTBFS too now ... [12:55] <Burgundavia> tseng, sorry, I am an idiot, please excuse me [12:57] <terrex> hi friends, i've just upgraded from yesterday to today (libx11-6, gnome-control-center,..) and when i login, the splash screen freezes and neither nautilus nor gnome-panel load. So i must to select from GDM "failsafe xterm" and then starts metacity & gnome-panel manually. Also gnomemeeting and gaim don't want to start. [12:58] <Burgundavia> terrex, that is more a question of #ubuntu [12:59] <tseng> Burgundavia: ok for the 3rd time now [12:59] <doko> good question. the cleanest thing would be to build nss and nspr from it's own source, use these for other packages, build the shared libs from these packages. if firefox needs it's own copy, then it can ship it's own, but should use it's own names for a libnss and libnspr. so first thing: compare the libs (separate source, mozilla, firefox) [12:59] <tseng> Burgundavia: beagle needs an evolution-sharp update [12:59] <tseng> Burgundavia: we're working on getting it built [12:59] <Burgundavia> tseng, yes, I realized yes, after I saw the build logs [12:59] <tseng> k :) [12:59] <Burgundavia> tseng, I close the bug with because the reporter was a moron [12:59] <tseng> oh :/ [01:00] <tseng> Burgundavia: meh its alot to keep up with [01:00] <jasoncohen> Any backports developers here? [01:00] <tseng> jasoncohen: you can try Mez, he's pretty helpful [01:00] <jasoncohen> yeah, i was actually looking for him [01:00] <terrex> Burgundavia: ok, thanks all anyway. [01:00] <jasoncohen> but he's not online [01:01] <tseng> hm I guess not [01:01] <tseng> seemed like i was just talking to him [01:01] <jasoncohen> i was wondering when smeg and other packages will be added to the official backports repository [01:01] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, mez was in #ubuntu-motu as of an hour ago [01:02] <jasoncohen> a /whois mez now shows him nowhere [01:03] <Burgundavia> I don't see an exit message, so he must have silently dropped and not noticed it yet [01:04] <infinity> jasoncohen : When we work out some small snags in the process. [01:06] <jasoncohen> ok, so more packages will be added when those snags are figured out? [01:08] <Amaranth> last seen 26 minutes ago [01:38] <restrex> anyone can share the xbase-clients 6.8.2-35 package ? Thanks. [01:53] <mrd`> xrdb b0rked my login I think. :/ [01:53] <\sh> re [01:57] <mrd`> Hm... not xrdb... something else b0rked my gnome login. [02:00] <mrd`> Friday, Hoary's going back on my laptop. :) [02:01] <mrd`> (Hopefully, I'll have room for a chroot on my new desktop though.) [02:02] <\sh> daniels: ping? [02:02] <\sh> or someone who's working on Xorg stuff ,-) [02:03] <\sh> on amd64...it looks like there is a problem with libXss [02:03] <\sh> config.log output from imms: [02:04] <\sh> configure:5680: g++ -o conftest -g -O2 -I/usr/include/taglib -shared -L/usr/X11R6/lib conftest.cc -lX11 -lpcre -lsqlite3 -lz -ltag >&5 [02:04] <\sh> /usr/bin/ld: /tmp/ccMsAUO5.o: relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against `XFlush' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC [02:04] <\sh> /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Bad value [02:04] <\sh> and libX11...forgot to say [02:35] <infinity> \sh : Ignore the config.log, it's just telling you to use -fPIC (which the package does, if you look at the build log) [02:35] <infinity> \sh : The build failure stems from a (very obviously) missing -lX11 in the linker call. [02:37] <\sh> infinity: you mean directly in the configure script? [02:37] <\sh> nasty [02:37] <infinity> No, I don't. [02:37] <infinity> I said it's missing, I didn't say from where, precisely. [02:38] <\sh> infinity: ok...i will check it later today...now I have only *censored* sources on my table [02:48] <infinity> \sh : If you add 'CXXFLAGS="-fPIC"' before the ./configure call, configure's tests don't blow up, and it finds the libraries it wants. :) [02:49] <infinity> \sh : So, there you go. Merry Christmas. [02:52] <infinity> \sh : (I'd recommend 'CXXFLAGS="-fPIC $(CFLAGS)" ./configure ...' to make use of the CFLAGS the maintainer set previously and then never used...) [02:53] <infinity> \sh : Oh, and you might want libxss-dev, if you want "screensaver functionality" in the package, whatever that means. [03:08] <bob2> ./configure CFLAGS=... [03:08] <bob2> or so everyone tells me [03:08] <HrdwrBoB> bob2: other way around [03:11] <infinity> bob2 : Both work, for different reasons. [03:11] <bob2> hm [03:12] <infinity> bob2 : My example puts CFLAGS in the environment, which is a variable configure happens to cherry-pick out of said environment, I believe your example has configure interpreting 'FOO=BAR' pairs on the command line as "private environment settings", and it sets those for itself. Which has the exact same effect. [03:13] <mrd`> Is not being able to login to Gnome a known issue for Breezy at the moment (other than my whining earlier)? [03:13] <infinity> bob2 : Something along those lines, anyway. Either way, my example works fine to fix \sh's problem, and I don't much care if it makes an autotools maintainer or two cry (in fact, I'd prefer if it did..) [03:13] <bob2> hahaha [03:16] <infinity> bob2 : I'm not sure how much of the environment configure preserves, but I'd be willing to bed that for anything other than CC, CXX, CFLAGS, CXXFLAGS, and LDFLAGS, you're correct, having it in the shell's environment won't work, but having it in configure's command line will. [03:16] <infinity> s/bed/bet/ [03:17] <infinity> (note that my previous comment about wanting to see autotools maintainers cry still stands, however) [03:32] <OddAbe19> what exactly is Cairo? i was reading the site... is it just a speed/ image improvement for GTK and Icons? [03:33] <jdub> OddAbe19: it's an API for vector-based drawing that can use different backends for rendering (such as GL and printing) [03:34] <jdub> OddAbe19: because it's more abstract than using X, there are more opportunities for retargeting and optimisation [03:56] <calc> er what happened to xutils in breezy? [03:56] <calc> there are no binaries in it [03:57] <Lathiat> calc: whats the error? [03:57] <calc> something about sessreg missing [03:57] <calc> xutils has no binaries in it at all including sessreg [03:58] <calc> also ice complained afterwards about not being able to find transport: tcp [04:00] <calc> er xbase-clients has no binaries either [04:00] <calc> what the hell happened to xorg [04:00] <calc> did someone forget to build the binaries when they uploaded it last time [04:02] <calc> it went from being around 2MB deb to being a 60KB deb [04:02] <schweeb> calc: xbase-clients isn't supposed to have any [04:02] <schweeb> they were split out [04:02] <schweeb> and added as deps [04:02] <schweeb> check the deps for xbase-clients [04:02] <calc> or not... :) [04:03] <schweeb> which binary are you looking for? [04:03] <calc> how many deps do you see on yours? [04:03] <calc> i see only 10 [04:03] <calc> i don't have any easy way to cut paste but if you want i can manually type them [04:03] <calc> startx for example is gone [04:03] <calc> also sessreg [04:04] <calc> maybe i have to manually install all the broken out parts due to someone forgetting to actually add them on dep line? [04:04] <schweeb> xinit <--- starts [04:04] <schweeb> *startx [04:05] <schweeb> I think [04:05] <calc> yea xbase-clients definitely doesn't depend on that [04:05] <schweeb> I just use GDM anyways [04:05] <calc> gdm won't even work apparently since sessreg isn't installed [04:05] <schweeb> but I'm pinned on a way old version of xbase-clients anyways [04:05] <calc> i tried starting x via startx and found out it was missing too [04:06] <schweeb> sessreg isn't in xutils? [04:07] <calc> no [04:07] <calc> nothing is in xutils [04:07] <calc> and xutils only depends on 3 things [04:07] <calc> i think daniels forgot to update any of the depends lines [04:07] <calc> daniels: wake up? :) [04:08] <calc> also note that most xorg things on the mirrors are -43 but those two are -42 for some reason [04:08] <calc> i've noticed the mirrors always being out of sync for some strange reason [04:09] <calc> are the mirror scripts busted? [04:12] <calc> i wonder if the missing binaries are why i can't switch out of X via ctrl-alt-F# as well [04:13] <schweeb> calc: downgrade to -42 [04:13] <schweeb> worked for me [04:13] <schweeb> just rebooted [04:13] <schweeb> and no, the missing binaries are not it [04:14] <calc> xbase-client and xutils -42 is the one with the missing binaries [04:14] <calc> there is no -43 of them on the mirrors [04:14] <schweeb> err [04:14] <schweeb> I meant downgrade to -41 [04:14] <schweeb> and to switch VTs [04:14] <schweeb> alt+sysrq r [04:14] <calc> where are the old -41 packages? [04:14] <schweeb> then alt+f1 [04:15] <schweeb> on my hard drive :p [04:15] <schweeb> if you had -41 ever installed, should be in /var/cache/apt/archives [04:16] <calc> heh xinit 1.0 has startx but then doesn't start gnome it just starts 3 xterms, heh [04:16] <calc> schweeb: i don't have enough spare space to keep old debs around [04:16] <schweeb> *shrug* [04:16] <schweeb> my archives are only 529MB [04:16] <schweeb> IMO you need to, if you're running breezy [04:17] <schweeb> if you don't have half a gig free, you've got other problems [04:17] <calc> i'll just reboot into xp [04:25] <mrd`> schweeb: Not if you run 'apt-get clean' ever. [04:25] <schweeb> mrd`: hrm? [04:26] <mrd`> apt-get clean empties out /var/cache/apt/archives [04:26] <schweeb> right [04:26] <schweeb> which is silly, if you're running breezy [04:26] <schweeb> a) the pkg manager applet does it for you on a weekly basis iirc [04:27] <schweeb> b) you need old pkgs for when stuff breaks [04:27] <mrd`> Yeah, yeah, this is the first time I ever tried running unstable. [04:30] <mrd`> calc: Also, xbase-clients and xutils aren't out of date, they're just not built from the xorg source package anymore. [04:33] <calc> so they don't technically exist anymore? [04:33] <calc> switched to ubuntu late last year [04:34] <mrd`> The binaries normally included in those packages are being split out into their own packages. [04:35] <calc> mrd`: yea but for upgrade reasons there needs to be something that pulls them in somewhere [04:35] <calc> or at least x-window-system-core needs to depend on them individually [04:35] <mrd`> calc: I know, and I'm sure the Xorg maintainers know that too. [04:37] <calc> x-window-system-core currently depends on both of those non-existant packages still [04:39] <mrd`> I just know what daniels has said. [06:24] <daniels> calc: xutils and xbase-clients are no longer built from xorg [06:27] <Lathiat> daniels: sooooo... whens xutils gonna work? ;) [06:28] <daniels> xutils isn't hugely interesting to me right now; there are more important things [06:28] <daniels> anything in particular? [06:29] <Lathiat> xmkmf [06:29] <Lathiat> for this crack smoking package [06:29] <Lathiat> that i want to fix, and needs it to build :) [06:29] <daniels> that's a Hard Problem [06:30] <Lathiat> next package [06:31] <daniels> it'll probably happen next week [06:31] <daniels> it's just behind 'stuff you need to make your desktop workable' and 'make xorg clean-upgradeable from hoary and clean-installable from scratch' on my TODO is all [06:32] <calc> daniels: how are upgrades going to work with those two packages not really existing anymore? [06:33] <Lathiat> daniels: yeh no problems [06:33] <Lathiat> daniels: you know changing font dpi doesnt work so well right? [06:33] <calc> perhaps the reason gnome broke on my system wasn't due to all the missing files from xbase-clients and xutils, but it was complaining about sessreg in the log [06:33] <fabbione> morning [06:34] <daniels> Lathiat: i can imagine that [06:35] <daniels> calc: well, eventually xb-c and xutils will become metapackages [06:35] <Lathiat> well, good thing i didnt get 1920xsomething @15.4" then :) [06:35] <daniels> calc: but the seeds will also get updated [06:37] <infinity> daniels : Oh, BTW, was /usr/lib/X11/locale supposed to disappear with the last libx11 upload, cause it very much didn't (just a bunch of spewed messages about the inability to remove non-empty directories, and a bunch of files now owned by no packages..) [06:46] <daniels> infinity: no, not at all. something about turning symlinks into directories being difficult ... [06:46] <jasoncohen> does ubuntu have anything similar to Debian's package tracking system which allows you to get up to the minute info on a source package? [06:46] <daniels> infinity: if all your programs don't bitch and say OMG NO LOCALES WTF when you start, then you have nothing to worry about [06:47] <infinity> Symlinks to directories have to be handled kinda backwards from directories to symlinks. [06:47] <jasoncohen> http://packages.qa.debian.org/ is what i was referring to [06:47] <infinity> daniels : My programs are fine, since I only have breezy in chroots at the moment. :) [06:47] <infinity> daniels : I'm not retarded. I'm waiting until after feature freeze to start running breezy on my desktop. [06:49] <daniels> heh [06:52] <fabbione> daniels: did you upload libXcursor recently? [06:55] <daniels> fabbione: er, I think to get rid of _XOPEN_SOURCE ... why? [06:56] <fabbione> i think that it did reintroduced temporary the libXcursor.la thingy [06:56] <fabbione> or one of the package hasn't been B-D versioned properly.. [06:56] <fabbione> i did build kdelibs way later than the other arches [06:57] <fabbione> and i got libtool: link: `/usr/lib/libXcursor.la' is not a valid libtool archive [06:57] <fabbione> checking now what is still bringing it [06:57] <daniels> oh, I removed libXcursor.la [06:57] <fabbione> probably something on sparc still knows about it [06:58] <fabbione> that can only happen if there is a wrong versione B-D or uncatched [06:58] <infinity> Install kdelibs' build-deps, and rgrep Xcursor.la /usr/lib [06:58] <fabbione> infinity: that's what i am already doing :) [06:59] <fabbione> i think it's going to take me less time to rebootstrap breezy than to fix it [06:59] <infinity> (Note that tightly versioned build-deps, while handy for the buildds RIGHT NOW, won't make a likc of difference for bootstrappability, because the problem can't "come back" once all the old sources are gone) [06:59] <infinity> s/likc/lick/ [07:00] <fabbione> infinity: yes. given that you build everything in the right order and everything is B-D properly [07:00] <fabbione> but if there are leftovers it makes a difference [07:00] <infinity> You can definitely build everything in the right order now, afaict. [07:00] <fabbione> infinity: not gnome.. [07:01] <fabbione> because gnome apps didn't get versioned B-D love [07:01] <fabbione> only the libs [07:01] <infinity> It's just building against a slightly older breezy (say, a few weeks) that might not be perfect. I'm not sure if that's worth caring about, but if you find things that should have tighteneed build-deps, let me know. [07:01] <fabbione> and that's not even completely true [07:01] <fabbione> infinity: gtk+2.0 was supposed to have B-D to avoid old binpackges with _XOPEN [07:01] <fabbione> fact is that it did build on sparc and still had XOPEN [07:02] <infinity> Probably because one or two X libs got missed, those I fixed later. [07:02] <fabbione> libqtmcop.la:dependency_libs=' -L/usr/share/qt3/lib -L/usr/lib /usr/lib/libmcop.la /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.la /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.la /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.la /usr/lib/libqt-mt.la -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXcursor -lXft -lfreetype -laudio -lXt -lXi -lXrandr /usr/lib/libXcursor.la -lXfixes -lXinerama /usr/lib/libXft.la -lXrender /usr/lib/libfreetype.la -lfontconfig -ldl -lpng -lz -lXext -lX11 -lSM -lICE -lpthread' [07:02] <infinity> I didn't bother reuploading gtk+, cause it was fine on the release arches. [07:03] <fabbione> so it's libarts carrying it [07:04] <infinity> Did Riddell not bother to version his build-deps when he reuploaded arts to fix that? :/ [07:06] <fabbione> apparently no [07:06] <fabbione> infinity: do you want to do that or shoud i just reupload? [07:06] <fabbione> the latter will work now... [07:06] <fabbione> but still [07:07] <infinity> I'm more concerned about scorched earth / autotest, than I am about "can we build against a hypothetical breezy of 3 weeks ago?" test, so if we pass the former, cool. If we don't, then we can tighten things to make sure we do. [07:07] <infinity> I don't much care about the latter. [07:08] <fabbione> infinity: this stuff is invisible on the buildds [07:08] <fabbione> because they are just too fast [07:08] <fabbione> (not that's bad...) [07:09] <fabbione> infinity: didn't you notice that people don't even prebuild the pkgs for testing? [07:09] <fabbione> they just keep uploading until it does build? [07:09] <fabbione> that [07:09] <fabbione> that [07:09] <fabbione> that's just not the way it should be... [07:10] <infinity> fabbione : Right, but the question is "can the problem come back if we build from scratch?" (and the answer is "no"). We could spend months trying to support "building every package against every possible combination of build-deps that used to be in breezy but aren't anymore". [07:10] <infinity> And yes, I've noticed that a lot of uploaders don't prebuild. :/ [07:10] <fabbione> infinity: yes, i understand and agree [07:10] <infinity> Not much I can do about that, except maybe not-for-us someone's pet package until they listen to reason. [07:10] <fabbione> but that makes normal building a pain [07:11] <fabbione> infinity: i am thinking about micro-ubuntu and stuff like that [07:11] <fabbione> if we start building in the wrong order on old machines [07:11] <fabbione> bam.. game is finished even before starting it [07:11] <fabbione> because we might not be in the condition to efford (time wise) a rebuild [07:17] <infinity> changelogs, too. [07:18] <crimsun> infinity: sorry, I'm guilty [07:42] <dholbach> hey [07:42] <dholbach> how's the review day coming on? :) [07:42] <ajmitch> hi dholbach [07:43] <dholbach> ajmitch: hey andrew :) [07:49] <crimsun> hey daniel :) [07:50] <dholbach> hey daniel! how's it going? [07:51] <crimsun> not bad, did some merging yesterday and today. How are things with you? [07:51] <dholbach> i'm fine... thanks - just giving my thesis a break for the review day :) [07:51] <crimsun> nice break :) [07:52] <dholbach> yeah... the lists are overfull :) [07:52] <crimsun> indeed [08:04] <dholbach> morning JaneW :) [08:07] <doko> elmo: please sync discover (v2, universe) from unstable, the ubuntu patch isn't needed anymore (ack from daniels) [08:08] <dholbach> morning doko [08:09] <doko> morning all (and dholbach ;) [08:13] <dholbach> jsgotangco: morning jerome :) [08:13] <jsgotangco> dholbach: hi! how have you been doing? [08:14] <dholbach> jsgotangco: nicely, thank you - today is review day, so i take a small break from thesis writing :) [08:14] <dholbach> how are you? [08:17] <jsgotangco> dholbach: well don't puke, but i've been busy learning rails..hehehe..other than that, we have a meeting later at 14utc [08:18] <dholbach> why should i puke? :) [08:20] <jsgotangco> heh [08:20] <jsgotangco> dholbach: how is school? [08:24] <dholbach> jsgotangco: i'll run to university later to see, how my last exam went (maybe they have the grade lists already), and now there are 3 weeks left for writing/hacking the rest of my thesis - i'm quite confident, although it will mean some additional night sessions :) [08:31] <pitti> Good morning, world!!! [08:31] <fabbione> hey pitti [08:32] <pitti> argh, ENETWORK, brb [08:33] <bob2> hm, I hope I didn't give pitti my bad network karma [08:36] <dholbach> hey pitti! :) [08:36] <pitti> Hi dholbach, how's your diploma? [08:36] <dholbach> bob2: mvo suffered yesterday as well [08:36] <pitti> Moin doko [08:37] <dholbach> pitti: in a small break for review day, but going on nicely :) [08:38] <pitti> good [08:38] <dholbach> pitti: how are you? [08:38] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: morning ankur - long time no see! [08:39] <pitti> dholbach: fine, after a nice evening with my gf yesterday; now ffox has me back :-) [08:39] <pitti> dholbach: oh, it's not so bad any more, I only have to update the locale packs now; ffox itself works. YAY :-) [08:40] <dholbach> woohoo! [08:40] <pitti> JaneW: Just read Jaime's reply, that's reassuring. :-) [08:41] <Treenaks> pitti: except for the not-yet-discovered bug in the locale system ;) [08:42] <pitti> yay, Debian uploads are back [08:46] <pitti> ogra: cool, David seems interested in the lsb patch; is the namespace change any problem for you? [08:51] <tepsipakki> seb128: gnome-screensaver does not allow locking the screen, because gnome-screensaver-dialog needs suid-root [08:51] <tepsipakki> maybe there is a plan to get past that? [08:56] <dholbach> morning mvo :) [08:59] <pitti> hi mvo [09:00] <mvo> morning dholbach, morning pitti [09:00] <mvo> pitti: do your X umlauts work again? [09:01] <dholbach> pitti: i installed xkbdutils, xkeyboard-config and xinit and i was fine again :) [09:02] <pitti> mvo: no, broken as usual [09:02] <pitti> dholbach: already tried that, no luck [09:03] <dholbach> pitti: what helped me was going through the list of packages with maintainer "daniel stone" in synaptic - maybe you find something else *fingers crossed* [09:05] <daniels> pitti: have you installed xkeyboard-config with --force-overwrite? [09:05] <pitti> no [09:06] <daniels> pitti: does setxkbmap -rules xorg -layout 'de(nodeadkeys)' -model pc105, help? [09:06] <daniels> pitti: right. xlibs trashed some of xk-c's conffiles, so reinstall the most recent version with --force-overwrite. [09:07] <pitti> I upgraded to xk-c 0.5-3 [09:08] <pitti> $ setxkbmap -rules xorg -layout 'de(nodeadkeys)' -model pc105 [09:08] <pitti> Couldn't interpret _XKB_RULES_NAMES property [09:08] <pitti> Use defaults: rules - 'xorg' model - 'pc101' layout - 'us' [09:09] <pitti> daniels: it even lies; z and y are German, things like . : , ; too [09:09] <pitti> daniels: but I can't get an at, pipe, backslash, and umlauts [09:10] <daniels> try setxkbmap -rules xorg -model pc104 -layout de [09:10] <daniels> er, pc105 [09:10] <daniels> not pc104 [09:11] <pitti> oh, now it works [09:11] <pitti> even with your first command [09:11] <pitti> I reinstalled xk-c again [09:11] <pitti> thanks, mate [09:13] <daniels> pitti: no worries [09:13] <daniels> pitti: now you can use all those crazy extra letters :) [09:14] <daniels> like and [09:15] <dholbach> it took me a minute to find a \ somewhere to write \sh's nick yesterday :) [09:15] <dholbach> (before i managed to fix X for me again. :) [09:16] <mvo> (backslash)sh :P [09:16] <dholbach> exactly :) [09:17] <daniels> of course, the real fix there is for sh to make his nick sensible ... [09:18] <dholbach> mvo: ^^ wasn't that your exact words? :) [09:25] <pitti> daniels: not having |, \, and @ hurted me much more ... [09:26] <Treenaks> pitti: @ = shift+2 :) [09:26] <Treenaks> pitti: on US [09:26] <pitti> Treenaks: that's " on my keyboard [09:27] <Treenaks> pitti: like on most European local kbs [09:27] <Treenaks> pitti: is the "@" key left of "1" or is that a "logical not" key? [09:28] <daniels> @ is altgr+q on a german keyboard [09:28] <Treenaks> daniels: *eek* [09:45] <fabbione> maswan: ping? [09:59] <dholbach> see you later - HAPPY REVIEW DAY! [10:04] <sivang> morning all [10:06] <pitti> Good morning Sivan [10:08] <sivang> pitti: Hey Martin, still very secure ? :) [10:08] <pitti> it gets better :-) [10:10] <sivang> daniels: morning, how are you and Xorg today? :) [10:11] <sivang> pitti: do you know if there is a way to split and already made patch that touches 2 files , into 2 seperate patches ? [10:11] <sivang> s/and/an/ [10:12] <pitti> sivang: vi :-) [10:12] <pitti> sivang: just split them in an editor, it's pretty obvious [10:12] <sivang> pitti: ok, what should I look out from in doing this? [10:12] <pitti> look at the patch, it's obvious [10:12] <sivang> pitti: ok, thanks [10:15] <jani> sivang, for more complicated cases there's filetrdiff from patchutils [10:16] <jani> filterdiff [10:18] <sivang> jani: ok, I will look into it if I fail taking the obvious approach :) [10:39] <dholbach> re [10:39] <fabbione> Kamion: i just uploaded kernel+linux-meta with ABI change... [10:39] <fabbione> Kamion: do you want me to upload d-i too? [10:41] <seb128> hi dholbach [10:41] <dholbach> hey seb128 :) [10:42] <fabbione> hey seb128 [10:42] <fabbione> seb128: i did a dummy upload of gtk+2.0 to get rid of the XOPEN [10:42] <fabbione> no code changes or nothing [10:43] <fabbione> only an extra entry in debian/changelog [10:43] <seb128> you did an upload you are the maintainer now [10:43] <seb128> please update the gtk 2.7.4 now :) [10:43] <seb128> wasn't a binary upload good for that? [10:44] <fabbione> seb128: i prefer to avoid binNMU where possible [10:44] <fabbione> specially because ubuntu2 was around in the archives [10:44] <seb128> k [10:44] <seb128> I'll do an upload of the new version this morning [10:45] <seb128> bah, the autobuilders are fast and users can use their bandwidth a bit :p [10:46] <fabbione> seb128: it's already all over :) [10:46] <seb128> doko: PING [10:46] <sto> Kamion: have you implemented something to have languagepacks on the ubuntu debian-installer? [10:47] <mvo> hello seb128 [10:47] <seb128> hi mvo [10:47] <sto> Kamion: I have a proposal for debian but I want to know if there are other proposals/implementations [10:51] <dholbach> seb128: could you add a KILL button to evolution? "exit" doesn't seem to be enough these days ;) [10:52] <maswan> fabbione: pong [10:53] <fabbione> maswan: i think it's time to change kernel to buttercup... [10:53] <fabbione> it died again :( [10:53] <fabbione> maswan: i will have a kernel in an hour or so.. it's building right now [10:53] <\sh> hmmm...firefox + flash == crash ,-) [10:54] <seb128> dholbach: evolution --force-shutdown [10:54] <dholbach> seb128: ah i see, thanks :) [10:57] <pitti> \sh: you have main upload rights now, go ahead and fix it :-) [10:58] <maswan> fabbione: neat [10:58] <fabbione> maswan: i will ping you back as soon as i am ready to install it [10:58] <maswan> fabbione: ACK [10:59] <fabbione> maswan: leave buttercup down for now.. [10:59] <fabbione> it's more time it takes to stop the buildd than for me to finish the kenrel :) [11:06] <ogra> pitti, namespace change ? thats a nobrainer :) [11:06] <ogra> morning [11:06] <pitti> right [11:06] <pitti> Hi ogra [11:08] <ogra> pitti, did someone talk to you about dbus 0.35 ? [11:09] <pitti> ENOTIME [11:09] <ogra> pitti, ok [11:09] <pitti> daniels: do you happen to know about dbus 0.35? [11:10] <ogra> pitti, the consensus was that we want it if there are no strong objections from your side... seb128 needs it for the new totem for example [11:10] <pitti> ogra: as long as it doesn't break the API, I'm fine for it [11:11] <pitti> ogra: if it merely breaks ABI (which it shouldn't either) then recompiling apps would be fine, too [11:11] <ogra> pitti, it breaks the python api slightly it seems.... so our hal deviace manager would spill errors... [11:11] <pitti> ogra: is it fixed upstream? [11:11] <ogra> with 0.5.3 [11:11] <pitti> ogra: I wouldn't mind upgrading to 0.5.3, it has lots of bug fixes anyway [11:11] <ogra> which is not in debian [11:12] <ogra> ok [11:12] <pitti> ogra: sjoerd is on vac, but it's not a biggie to upgrade the Ubuntu versoin [11:12] <ogra> pitti, mdz already agreed, but we wanted to hear you [11:12] <pitti> oh, cool [11:12] <pitti> ok, let's get the new crack :-) [11:12] <ogra> thats awesome... so hughsie can make g-p-m eady for us :) [11:13] <ogra> ready even [11:29] <Kamion> fabbione: it's ok, I'll do it in a moment [11:29] <Diziet> Morning people. [11:29] <Kamion> sto: no, I really don't want to go anywhere near that; the installer is complex enough without introducing complexity which in my view is unnecessary [11:30] <ogra> hey Diziet [11:30] <pitti> Hi Diziet [11:30] <Kamion> sto: I know Petter posted a udpkg (?) patch recently to make tricks like that a little easier [11:34] <sto> Kamion: well I need to support a non standard locale, so I have to do it or recompile everything [11:35] <Kamion> our approach has been to get the translations into the mainline instead, as they end up better maintained that way anyway [11:35] <Kamion> also you probably won't be able to use anything like language packs for the first half a dozen screens or so no matter what you do [11:35] <Kamion> well, not without awful initrd hacking [11:36] <sto> Kamion: why not? [11:36] <sto> I'm doing it [11:36] <Kamion> huh, ok [11:36] <Kamion> again, don't want to touch that if I can possibly help it :) [11:36] <sto> I simply did a wrapper around debconf-loadtemplate [11:37] <Mez> elmo: ping [11:37] <Kamion> but you clearly had to hack the initrd to get the extra templates in there; they can't just have been loaded with udpkg [11:37] <Kamion> because udpkg isn't called until half a dozen or so screens in [11:38] <Kamion> infinity: yo, you broke the seeds archive [11:38] <sto> Yes, I've put the templates on an udeb package that is installed on the initrd [11:38] <fabbione> Kamion: perfect... [11:38] <fabbione> Kamion: the kernel is still building on the buildd... [11:39] <Kamion> infinity: chmod -R g+w /home/warthogs/archives/ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds/seeds--breezy/seeds--breezy--0/patch-79/++revision-lock on chinstrap, please [11:39] <Kamion> infinity: and put 'umask 002' in ~/.bashrc somewhere where it will be used by noninteractive shells [11:39] <sto> But udpkg is called before excuting the first screen [11:39] <Kamion> no it isn't - debconf-loadtemplate is [11:40] <Kamion> to load the initial set of templates [11:40] <sto> Oh, well, I've changed debconf-loadtemplate [11:40] <sto> I thought it was called by udpkg [11:41] <sto> as it worked I have not looked too much into it [11:45] <fabbione> what was the the C function opposite to atoi? [11:45] <fabbione> to convert an integer to a string? [11:47] <fabbione> i guess i can just use sprintf :) [11:48] <ogra> :) [11:48] <Treenaks> fabbione: you could link in a python interpreter to do it for you [11:50] <fabbione> rhhrhr [11:50] <fabbione> ehhe [11:51] <Kamion> sto: rootskel calls it directly [11:51] <davyd> is it a known issue that I can't start gnome-session [11:51] <davyd> or have I broken something? [11:56] <seb128> davyd: update to 0ubuntu3 [11:56] <davyd> how long till that is in the tree? [11:56] <seb128> should already be [11:57] <davyd> ok [11:57] <seb128> davyd: you can also edit /usr/share/gnome/default.session and fix the numbers [11:57] <davyd> well, let me get updated versions of things [11:57] <seb128> davyd: you need to update the number of the id=default<n> lines [11:58] <seb128> davyd: gnome-smproxy has been dropped and I've screwed when changing the entries numbers ... it's fixed with 0ubuntu [11:58] <seb128> 0ubuntu3 [11:58] <davyd> ok, got the new version [11:58] <seb128> cool [12:00] <davyd> let's see what else broke [12:07] <davyd> does -panel also have known issues? [12:14] <seb128> davyd: nop, why? what does it do? [12:15] <davyd> it would appear to be hanging [12:18] <Kamion> elmo: please sync libdebian-installer from Debian incoming (approved by mdz) [12:20] <davyd> hmm, now it works [12:20] <Kamion> icaro: I hope that isn't a script [12:21] <icaro> Kamion, i'm doing a script to control amarok from xchat :D [12:21] <icaro> i'm just trying it [12:21] <Kamion> icaro: please disable it for this channel [12:22] <icaro> ok... [12:31] <Diziet> Why oh why oh why oh why does Gnome need the network to be working for it not to wedge when you log in ? [12:31] <davyd> Diziet: it doesn't [12:31] <davyd> you may just have been bitten by the bug I was [12:31] <davyd> upgrade gnome-session to ubuntu3 [12:32] <Diziet> I'm using the colony 2 CD install and haven't upgraded anything yet. [12:33] <Lathiat> Diziet: you however need a loopback interface [12:33] <davyd> that is true [12:33] <Lathiat> Diziet: and if you dont have a loopback interface your system is broken :) [12:33] <davyd> and localhost should be in your /etc/hosts [12:33] <davyd> that may break session handling [12:33] <Diziet> In fact it turns out that I _do_ have a working network. There must be some other reason it's wedged. [12:33] <davyd> Diziet: have you checked what version of gnome-session you're running? [12:34] <Kamion> colony 2 was 2.11.1-0ubuntu1 [12:34] <Diziet> davyd: ... ah, Kamion has told you. [12:34] <Lathiat> It's quite possible that CD was broken [12:34] <Kamion> Lathiat: in what sense? it worked fine in my tests [12:35] <Kamion> or I wouldn't have released it [12:35] <Lathiat> Kamion: yeh but something could be upsetting it [12:52] <hughsie> ogra: I'll repeat the question: do you not sleep? :-) [12:52] <ogra> hehe [12:52] <hughsie> ogra:pitti been about [12:52] <hughsie> ? [12:53] <ogra> i have to fix my lsb patch for david ;) [12:53] <hughsie> ogra: i saw your message [12:53] <ogra> hughsie, yes... and it seems we'll also have 0.5.3 :) [12:53] <hughsie> ogra: better upstream than patched tho [12:53] <hughsie> 0.5.3, yay! [12:53] <ogra> yep [12:53] <hughsie> okay, let me glib-fy g-p-m [12:54] <ogra> yeah :) [12:54] <hughsie> first on my hitlist, libhal has to go [12:54] <Diziet> Hrmf. We don't have resolvconf in Breezy it seems. [12:54] <jdthood> Diziet: I'm glad you brought that up. [12:54] <jdthood> thom tells me that you are now taking care of network-manager. [12:55] <jdthood> I'd like to get n-m playing nicely with resolvconf [12:55] <Diziet> Um! I'm only here on Thursdays, to a first approximation. So perhaps me being in the `middle' so to speak is not ideal ... [12:55] <Diziet> n-m> Quite so. [12:55] <Diziet> Are we going to have resolvconf then ? [12:56] <jdthood> I don't know. I am just the author/debian maintainer [12:56] <jdthood> Currently n-m Depends on resolvconf, so if n-m is going to be in Breezy then so should resolvconf, obviously [12:57] <Diziet> I missed the bit in the n-m source code where it drives resolvconf. [12:57] <jdthood> It doesn't, SFAIK [12:58] <Lathiat> i thought it does [12:58] <Diziet> So in what sense does it depend on it ? [12:58] <Lathiat> but like [12:58] <Lathiat> it was using bind9 [12:58] <jdthood> The package Depends on resolvconf [12:58] <Lathiat> and writing out a config for it [12:58] <Lathiat> so i dont really see the use for resolvconf in that situation [12:58] <Diziet> jdt: Yes, but why ? [12:58] <Diziet> lath: Quite so. [12:58] <Lathiat> other than that using bind9 like that is crack [12:58] <Diziet> Um, yes, we should get rid of bind9. We're going to use dnsmasq instead. [12:58] <Lathiat> ok so even still [12:59] <Lathiat> using dnsmasq, resolvconf has no purpose [12:59] <Diziet> If dnsmasq turns out to be too broken we can probably fix something up quickly that'll be better than nothing. [12:59] <jdthood> dnsmasq works very well [12:59] <Diziet> lath: No, it has the purpose that the patch we have to make to n-m isn't silly. [12:59] <Diziet> jdt: Oh, good :-). [12:59] <jdthood> And it already works with resolvconf [12:59] <Diziet> If we make n-m drive resolvconf then all `just works' ha ha. [01:00] <jdthood> s/ha ha// [01:00] <Lathiat> Diziet: it just works with bind9/dnsmasq [01:00] <Diziet> There's code to drive dnsmasq in there ? Did I miss that ? [01:00] <Lathiat> for bind9 [01:00] <Lathiat> dnsmasq isnt done yet afaict [01:00] <Diziet> Yes, I saw the code to drive bind9. That's just barmy. [01:00] <jdthood> dnsmasq has been around a long time. It's stable. [01:01] <jdthood> And resolvconf already drives it. [01:01] <jdthood> So all n-m has to do is call resolvconf to tell it the nameserver addresses obtained via DHCP. [01:01] <jdthood> ... by n-m's private DHCP client. [01:01] <Diziet> The right answer is for n-m to speak to resolvconf. Then (a) our stuff just works nicely and (b) people who aren't using dnsmasq can do something else 'cos resolvconf gives a sensible interface. [01:01] <Diziet> jdt: Right. [01:02] <jdthood> This also provides for graceful starting and stopping of n-m. [01:02] <Lathiat> except that that doesnt actually work [01:03] <jdthood> Lathiat: what doesn't work? [01:03] <Lathiat> jdthood: if you stop n-m, starting it again results in it being useless [01:03] <Diziet> Starting and stopping of n-m ? Why would it want to start and stop ? [01:03] <jdthood> Oh. [01:03] <Lathiat> Diziet: because if i want to do my own thing with the interfaces [01:03] <Lathiat> if i dont stop n-m, it eats them [01:03] <Diziet> Oh, I see. Yes, that makes sense. [01:04] <Diziet> So you're saying that when you start it again it doesn't work for some reason. [01:04] <Lathiat> right [01:04] <Lathiat> at least a few weeks ago [01:04] <jdthood> Well, it is beta software. [01:04] <jdthood> Not even. [01:05] <jdthood> It's improving quickly, though. [01:05] <Lathiat> elmo, infinity: can i get lathiat@bur.st whitelisted for changes? [01:06] <Diziet> So who's doing the resolvconf package for Breezy ? :-) [01:06] <ogra> Lathiat, see the Uploads wikipage... send a mail [01:06] <Lathiat> ogra: oh ok [01:09] <Kamion> resolvconf hasn't been branched for Ubuntu yet; we can keep on syncing jdthood's uploads from Debian if that makes sense [01:09] <Kamion> or otherwise cherry-pick patches [01:09] <Diziet> How does this relate to dbus ? [01:11] <Diziet> k: `keep on syncing'> Does that mean it's there already ? /me looks. [01:11] <Kamion> Diziet: in universe, yes [01:11] <Kamion> resolvconf | 1.29 | breezy/universe | source, all [01:12] <Kamion> it'd have to be promoted to main for use with n-m, but that's relatively straightforward [01:12] <Diziet> Oooooh! The light dawns! universe isn't in the default sources.list ! [01:12] <Kamion> correct [01:12] <Diziet> No wonder I was having so much trouble. [01:12] <Lathiat> daniels: ping [01:13] <Kamion> deliberately so - it's formally unsupported (although much less so now than it used to be) [01:13] <dholbach> brb [01:17] <jdthood> You needn't fear big changes in resolvconf from now on. [01:27] <madduck> jdthood: come on! WINS integration! [01:27] <madduck> jdthood: /etc/hosts generation! [01:52] <Burgundavia> pitti, you poor man http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13041 [01:56] <pitti> Burgundavia: well, I needed to have the new version in the archive anyway to rebuild against them [01:57] <seb128> k, guys, somebody need me what is to do with firefox? [01:57] <seb128> or I just revert doko's .pc changes [01:57] <pitti> seb128: for warty I guess we just need to rebuild it [01:57] <seb128> it breaks GNOME builds, and I'm too busy to start repacking libnss, firefox or whatever [01:58] <seb128> doko: PING [02:01] <seb128> pitti: opinion on this? [02:02] <pitti> seb128: about epi build-deps? design-wise, b-dep'ing on and using libnspr4-dev is the right thing [02:03] <pitti> seb128: but if that breaks, then just leave it as it is for now [02:03] <seb128> it's b0rked now [02:03] <seb128> doko has dropped firefox .pc files [02:03] <pitti> "now" -> before that [02:03] <seb128> and epiphany, totem, devhelp, yelp etc look for that [02:03] <seb128> so I just put the .pc files back? [02:04] <pitti> can we patch mozilla's libnspr4 lib somehow to make it work? [02:04] <pitti> like, copy ffox' one [02:04] <seb128> I've no clue, and I've way too many work already [02:04] <pitti> we all have, I guess [02:04] <seb128> yeah, so not time to break firefox [02:04] <seb128> if nobody is going to fix it [02:04] <pitti> seb128: I'd revert the change until libnspr4-dev is fixed to work with epy & co [02:04] <seb128> and we need to have GNOME building [02:04] <seb128> k, thanks [02:05] <pitti> but we should keep it in mind, doko wrote the Debian guys IIRC [02:05] <seb128> the reply from the Debian maintainer is: [02:05] <seb128> "There also may be subtle bugs [02:05] <seb128> exposed by using combinations of versions of nss, nspr + {firefox, mozilla, [02:05] <seb128> thunderbird} that aren't as well tested. I don't know the development [02:05] <seb128> well enough to say whether that is likely to be a problem. " [02:06] <pitti> I read that, yes [02:06] <seb128> that's not time to do this changes if people are to busy to work ont his imho [02:06] <seb128> grumpf [02:06] <seb128> "that's not the time to do these changes if people are too busy to work on this imho" [02:13] <fabbione> maswan: i have the kernel... [02:13] <fabbione> maswan: anytime you want.. i am ready [02:14] <maswan> fabbione: ACK [02:14] <fabbione> maswan: ROCKANDROLL! [02:15] <fabbione> elmo: sparc wins again over ppc :) [02:15] <chmj> there is a cheat involved ! [02:16] <sivang> fabbione: is does? :) [02:16] <maswan> fabbione: booting it now, I hope. :) [02:18] <fabbione> maswan: ok :) [02:19] <maswan> fabbione: Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd. [02:20] <maswan> fabbione: we can try enabling the watchdog too [02:20] <fabbione> maswan: i am already copying the kernel there.. [02:20] <maswan> fabbione: ack. can fix it when we reboot [02:21] <fabbione> maswan: i think it's a good idea to check 2 things in the OBP [02:21] <maswan> fabbione: the more changes you do at once, the larger the chance of total success. right? [02:21] <fabbione> maswan: clearly :) [02:21] <fabbione> maswan: there are 2 options.. one is the watchdog.. the other is the need to have a constant console connected to the serial port [02:21] <fabbione> all these hangs might be caused by that option turned on [02:22] <maswan> well, we always have a serial console on it [02:22] <fabbione> and your console server not keeping power on the ports when not in use [02:22] <fabbione> yeah. so did i.. but it was still hanging when i was reboot my machine [02:22] <fabbione> now it doesn't anymore :) [02:22] <fabbione> the only issue is that i don't remember the names of these options [02:22] <fabbione> so we need to look at them [02:23] <maswan> btw, the rsc sucks. 'Hostname: "buttercu"' [02:23] <fabbione> ehhehe [02:23] <maswan> 8 chars ought to be enough for everybody? [02:23] <fabbione> maswan: i am checking security updates too... [02:23] <maswan> fabbione: great [02:26] <fabbione> maswan: keep an eye on the console.. rebooting now... [02:26] <fabbione> GO BUTTERCUP! [02:26] <maswan> ok. [02:27] <maswan> waiting for it to reset now [02:28] <fabbione> maswan: is it still resetting? [02:29] <maswan> hacking now [02:30] <maswan> now booting [02:30] <maswan> not hardware with a proper watchdog, it seems [02:30] <fabbione> ahh ok [02:30] <fabbione> i forgot you had to play with OBP.. sorry [02:31] <maswan> booting now [02:31] <maswan> what are the numbers? [02:31] <maswan> [ 12.800158] TCP bind hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 524288 bytes) [02:31] <maswan> [ 12.881072] TCP: Hash tables configured (established 32768 bind 32768) [02:31] <maswan> I've never seen that before.. [02:31] <fabbione> [ 12.881072] <- ? [02:31] <maswan> yeah [02:31] <fabbione> timestamped printk [02:31] <maswan> ok [02:31] <maswan> wrapping every 16 seconds, or something like that? [02:31] <fabbione> hmm no [02:32] <fabbione> it's an abs value from boot time [02:32] <maswan> fabbione: Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd. [02:32] <maswan> well, it goes up to ~15 then restarts from 0.. [02:32] <fabbione> Linux buttercup 2.6.12-5-sparc64-smp #1 SMP Thu Jul 28 10:10:55 UTC 2005 sparc64 GNU/Linux [02:32] <fabbione> maswan: probably it's the -smp effect.. [02:32] <fabbione> i dunno if the timestamp is xcpu or global [02:32] <maswan> it wrapped more than once [02:33] <maswan> [ 15.634369] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. [02:33] <maswan> [ 0.071270] Adding 490480k swap on /dev/sda6. Priority:-1 extents:1 [02:33] <maswan> [ 14.572056] scsi0 : sym-2.2.0 [02:33] <maswan> [ 0.350900] Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST39102LCSUN9.0G Rev: 0828 [02:33] <fabbione> yes i am looking.. [02:33] <fabbione> i dunno.. [02:33] <fabbione> it might be buggy on SMP [02:33] <maswan> oh, well. not particularly important. :) [02:33] <fabbione> nope... [02:35] <fabbione> maswan: i am glad to say you are the first guy running a breezy smp sparc kernel in the world afaik :P [02:35] <maswan> fabbione: whee! :) [02:36] <fabbione> hey it also means that i don't suck so much as i tought with the kernel :) [02:36] <maswan> :) [02:36] <maswan> if you want to install breezy on it properly, we can find another 9giger or two ;) [02:37] <fabbione> maswan: i am not even sure it can be bootstrapped right now [02:37] <fabbione> we have half of gnome FTBFS due to a binutils bug [02:38] <fabbione> i am pretty sure we can bootstrap server... [02:38] <fabbione> we will switch once breezy is out :) [02:41] <maswan> fabbione: ah [02:41] <maswan> fabbione: :) [02:42] <fabbione> maswan: thanks! [02:42] <fabbione> cya later [02:43] <pitti> seb128: that referred to the statement right before yours: <Burgundavia> pitti, you poor man http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13041 [02:44] <Keybuk> ...Microsoft have added a "Search" feature to the Start Menu... [02:44] <Burgundavia> I also saw one with a scroll bar in it [02:44] <pitti> Keybuk: I saw the menus of some people I know, it badly needs it... [02:49] <Burgundavia> the sad part is that you don't really need to do much to get it to that state [02:56] <Mez> elmo: ping [03:06] <slomo> hmm... who has broken firefox-dev, i.e. the firefox-gtkmozembed.pc file? it needs firefox-nspr but can't find it... [03:08] <slomo> ah ok, nevermind... seems to be fixed with the firefox version uploaded a few seconds ago [03:17] <mjg59_> Hm. Can anyone remember the wiki page with hotkey keycodes on? [03:17] <Burgundavia> mjg59_, yes, just a sec [03:17] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopKeycodes [03:18] <Burgundavia> mjg59_, is there any way of determining those at install time, or are we going to need to keep a giant database? [03:18] <mjg59_> Burgundavia: Thanks! [03:19] <mjg59_> It's going to need static tables, but we can work out which to use based on DMI information (in most cases) [03:19] <sivang> fabbione: I'm going to be the second ppc64 hopefully soon :) [03:20] <fabbione> sivang: too many.. send one this direction [03:21] <fabbione> ;) [03:22] <hughsie> ogra: got a minute? [03:22] <ogra> hughsie, sure [03:22] <hughsie> ogra: hi, what do you know about HAL and PropertyModified [03:23] <hughsie> I'm spotting a problem with J5's new bindings [03:24] <ogra> hmm, thats for polling, right ? [03:24] <hughsie> ogra: not polling, events of device change. [03:24] <hughsie> oops [03:29] <sivang> fabbione: I mean, pSeries :) [03:34] <Diziet> network-manager appears not to have a config file. I wanted to add an option to it. I suppose it'll have to be a compile-time switch. Urgh! [03:34] <Diziet> Do Gnome people not believe in config files ? [03:35] <jdthood> They believe in gconf [03:36] <sivang> Diziet: that would be the event driven configuration database, which allows gnome to respond to config changes in a snap :) [03:36] <Diziet> gconf is only used in the vpn stuff and the applet, not in the main daemon. [03:39] <Diziet> And, also: XML config files ! *vomit* [03:40] <bddebian> Morning [03:41] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: You know mhearn == TD on GIMPNet, right? [03:41] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, yes, why do you ask? [03:41] <Diziet> Oh, and of course the daemon doesn't have access to (and shouldn't use) the gconf daemon because it's a system daemon. [03:42] <Amaranth> well, i was thinking we might want to take this discussion off the forums [03:42] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, the autopackage one in the breezy forum? [03:42] <Amaranth> yeah [03:42] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, you a forum mod? [03:42] <Amaranth> Nope. [03:43] <Burgundavia> might be best to lock that thread, as nothing is going to come of it [03:43] <jdthood> Diziet: I believe NM access gconf via the nm-applet [03:44] <jdthood> I don't know how useful the daemon is if it doesn't have an applet to talk to. [03:44] <Diziet> jdt: Ahm. [03:44] <Diziet> I think I'll make it a compile-time option. [03:45] <Diziet> It's not a think you want a pointyclicky config of, anyway, and I don't want to invent a config file. [03:45] <Diziet> s/think/thing [03:45] <jdthood> Running a system daemon that depends critically on a desktop applet isn't really the Debian way, but this is Ubuntu. [03:46] <jdthood> Things like modularity and choice don't matter here either. ;) [03:46] <Kamion> *cough* [03:46] <Diziet> jdt: Harmf. compile-time option> After all, that's what it currently does for whether to mess with BIND. [03:46] <Diziet> I shall be RMS and fix only some of the world's problems. [03:47] <jdthood> He's root. He's mean. He's square. And he's here to fix just part of the world.</moviepromovoice> [03:49] <Diziet> RMS is square ?! Or I'm square ? I might become offended :-). [03:49] <Diziet> Personally I think I'm more of an abstract manifold. [03:49] <highvolt1ge> If RMS is square, then dammit, I'm square too. [03:49] <jdthood> Well, no, that's true. RMS isn't square. Otherwise his initials would be perfect. [03:50] <highvolt1ge> PMPO [03:50] <jdthood> (He's not _really_ mean either, beneath that gruff exterior.) [03:51] <highvolt1ge> Apparently, he got a message in a dream that he should build a giant canoe and put two of each animal inside, but he misheard and thought that they said "GNU". [03:58] <seb128> elmo, infinity, Kamion: I've just uploaded a libnotify package, could you reject it? [03:59] <carstenh> JaneW: yes, he did. thanks again :) [03:59] <Riddell> elmo: apparantly kubuntu powerpc dvd torrent isn't seeded [03:59] <carstenh> pitti: do you prefer a answer via mail or irc? [04:00] <Kamion> seb128: rather than trying to figure out how to reject from queue/unchecked/ at short notice, I moved the files into broken/ [04:00] <Kamion> seb128: what was wrong? [04:00] <seb128> Kamion: b0rked Build-Depends [04:00] <seb128> ie: the stock dh_make ones :p [04:00] <Kamion> heh [04:00] <pitti> carstenh: mail might be better for the other guys in cc [04:01] <seb128> Kamion: it's a NEW package [04:01] <seb128> bah, doesn't really matter, I can fix it as a -0ubuntu2 if that's easier [04:01] <fabbione> seb128: libnofity??? [04:01] <fabbione> notify.. [04:01] <seb128> fabbione: yeah, why? [04:01] <fabbione> it sounds so much something related to inotify [04:01] <seb128> no [04:01] <carstenh> pitti: ok, who should be in cc? jeff of couse [04:01] <fabbione> seb128: ok thanks... [04:01] <seb128> fabbione: that's a desktop stuff [04:01] <pitti> carstenh: Matt as well, please [04:01] <Kamion> seb128: oh, I didn't know, I just saw it in unchecked [04:02] <Kamion> seb128: you can reupload as -0ubuntu1 [04:02] <carstenh> pitti: ok [04:02] <seb128> Kamion: thanks [04:02] <pitti> carstenh: thanks; great work so far! [04:02] <fabbione> seb128: well gamin does use inotify :) it is still a desktop stuff ;) [04:02] <seb128> right :) [04:03] <carstenh> pitti: i did not see the cc in your mail :) [04:03] <fabbione> yay.. gtk is almost built :) [04:03] <pitti> carstenh: hm? [04:04] <carstenh> pitti: i don't use my usual mailclient at the moment, so i did not see that field in the header [04:04] <pitti> carstenh: "mutt sucks less" :-); nevermind [04:05] <carstenh> pitti: just a quick question: what do you think about moving the frontend to a own package? i don't see anything about that in your mail [04:05] <pitti> carstenh: it should be a separate deb in any case, probably even a separate source package [04:06] <Kamion> what, you're going to -6? [04:06] <pitti> carstenh: I didn't assume that anyone would seriously consider to put them in the same deb anyway [04:06] <pitti> fabbione, stop draining our bandwidth! :-) [04:06] <carstenh> pitti: but not in gst as originally planned? [04:06] <mjg59_> Anyone here got an Omnibook? [04:06] <pitti> carstenh: ah, I thought you meant "separate from ubuntu-firewall" [04:07] <fabbione> Kamion: probably not me.. i am preparing stuff.. [04:07] <fabbione> Kamion: but yes.. it is required.. [04:07] <carstenh> pitti: both somehow [04:07] <pitti> carstenh: integration into g-s-t would rock of course, but only if upstream adopts it; and you can't use python for that [04:07] <Kamion> fabbione: sigh [04:07] <fabbione> Kamion: i can't avoid it :( [04:07] <fabbione> 8 symbols are changed.. [04:08] <carstenh> pitti: they would allow python according to a file in the souce (don't remeber which one) [04:08] <sivang> carstenh: maybe you are referring to the work by garnacho on the backends, [04:08] <pitti> carstenh: oh? then you should at least write the code in a way that it would fit into the g-s-t architecture [04:09] <sivang> carstenh: he is wrapping them up to make the possiblilty of accepting commands through dbus [04:09] <JaneW> carstenh: great [04:09] <pitti> then we had perl, python, and C code in the same package, cheers [04:09] <carstenh> pitti: | Our GUI should be usable for all Ubuntu systems and its non-Gnome based derivatives (such as Kubuntu), so we decided to create our own package instead of extending gnome-system-tools. [04:09] <sivang> carstenh: so then you could write python frontends and use the g-s-t backends [04:09] <pitti> ok, fine for me [04:09] <sivang> pitti: true :) [04:09] <carstenh> sivang: just a minute, i will search that file [04:10] <carstenh> pitti: so we could skip integrating it in gst? [04:10] <pitti> if it's too difficult or doesn't fit well, sure [04:11] <carstenh> sivang: |Currently, all the backends are in Perl, all the frontends are in C, and all [04:11] <pitti> Riddell: ping [04:11] <carstenh> the frontend layouts are in Glade XML. We accept backends and frontends in [04:11] <carstenh> Python, though. [04:11] <carstenh> sivang: from HACKING in the source [04:12] <sivang> carstenh: look for liboobs [04:12] <sivang> carstenh: (mind the pun ;-) [04:12] <pitti> ouch, I read "libboobs" the first time... [04:12] <sivang> pitti: hehehe [04:12] <Kamion> d'oh [04:13] <fabbione> lol [04:13] <Riddell> pitti: hi [04:13] <pitti> Riddell: I'm preparing another round of langpacks since it seems there finally is the time to upload them soon [04:13] <Riddell> pitti: split? [04:13] <pitti> Riddell: for testing kde, is there any language != English you can reasonably understnad? [04:14] <pitti> Riddell: or at least can tell "yes, this looks like lang $foo"? [04:14] <sladen> pitti: french [04:14] <sivang> carstenh: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/liboobs/ [04:14] <pitti> Riddell: into gnome/kde/other [04:14] <Riddell> pitti: french is good for me [04:14] <pitti> Riddell: ok, fine, thanks [04:14] <Riddell> and I'm practiced in en_gb :) [04:14] <carstenh> sivang: just found this url, thanks [04:14] <pitti> Riddell: "language != English" ... [04:15] <pitti> Riddell: or do you mean en_gb != english? :-) [04:15] <fabbione> wow... [04:15] <Riddell> well it has translation files [04:15] <fabbione> -23h:45m to holidays! [04:15] <pitti> I mean, you invented it before those american slang speakers... [04:15] <sivang> carstenh: I worked with garnacho before hoary, so I know few things about g-s-t, don't hesitate to ask. If I don't know I'll just say so :) [04:16] <carstenh> thanks :) [04:16] <sivang> carstenh: np [04:18] <\sh> fabbione: lucky u [04:18] <pitti> seb128, Riddell: can you please fetch the packages from http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/, install them and barf if anything breaks? [04:19] <pitti> seb128, Riddell: after upgrading the main langpack, you should get an update notification to install KDE/Gnome, too [04:19] <\sh> fabbione: oh..I'm w8ing now 1 1/2 year for holidays :) [04:20] <mjg59_> Is dmidecode really i386 only? [04:20] <mjg59_> No amd64? [04:21] <carstenh> pitti: i think it would fit and not be too difficult. but users of ubuntu derivates (i.e. kubuntu) should be able to use the frontend too, so i would prefere a own pygtk app [04:21] <Nafallo> mjg59_: wfm @ amd64 laptop [04:21] <pitti> carstenh: right [04:21] <seb128> pitti: lemme try [04:21] <pitti> carstenh: ... as long as Kubuntu users can live with gtk :-) [04:21] <Riddell> carstenh: what's this? [04:22] <carstenh> Riddell: a ubuntu firewall gui [04:22] <sladen> mjg59_: doesn't amd64 expect you to use EFI for fetching that crap? [04:22] <carstenh> pitti: they could use gtk2-engines-gtk-qt - theme engine using Qt for GTK+ 2.x :) [04:23] <mjg59_> sladen: amd64 doens't (so far) have emi [04:23] <pitti> seb128, Riddell: hold on, please, the update notification is not working [04:23] <pitti> lemme fix that first [04:23] <carstenh> hmm, jeff is not here :/ [04:24] <seb128> pitti: it has worked here [04:24] <pitti> seb128: translations? or the notification? or both? [04:24] <seb128> pitti: I got the little light bubble with the msg you gave me to translate some time ago :p [04:25] <pitti> seb128: ah, cool. In French even? [04:25] <seb128> no, did I send the translation to you? [04:25] <pitti> seb128: erm, no [04:26] <seb128> what I though [04:26] <seb128> let me find it :p [04:27] <pitti> seb128: do you have sane gnome translations now? [04:30] <Riddell> pitti: is it possible to get the charset entry.desktop and flag.png files in the kde-langpacks? otherwise the user can't choose the language [04:30] <seb128> pitti: works fine with GNOME here [04:30] <pitti> Riddell: shouldn't be too hard [04:31] <pitti> Riddell: I can add some "additional-files" facility into langpack-o-matic [04:32] <seb128> pitti: how does this notification stuff works? [04:33] <pitti> seb128: /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/language-pack-de_20050701 [04:33] <seb128> pitti: ie: I've installed the language pack updates, I got the notification, read the message, installed the gnome languagepacks [04:33] <pitti> seb128: that's generated by the postinst [04:33] <seb128> pitti: now I log with gdmflexiserver on an another user, and he has the notification too [04:33] <seb128> but I've already installed the packages, etc [04:33] <pitti> seb128: that's the current design of those notifications, sorry [04:34] <seb128> no pb, just curious :) [04:34] <pitti> seb128: it immediately appear in all current sessions [04:34] <seb128> that's not a current session [04:34] <seb128> I've opened it after installing the language packs [04:34] <pitti> seb128: oh, hm [04:34] <seb128> that mean that a new user will get all the stuff listed on his first loggin? [04:34] <seb128> ie: 6 months of notifications? :) [04:35] <pitti> mvo: ^ [04:35] <pitti> mvo: would it be possible to deactivate a notification once *one* user handled (i. e. has seen) it? [04:36] <jani> ping elmo [04:37] <jani> xfce sync reminder, thanks [04:38] <mjg59_> seb128: Around? [04:39] <pitti> seb128: oh, update-manager is not running in my session, that's why it doesn't work for me [04:39] <lamont> Kamion: at the very least, the ramdisk_size=8192 needs to go from elilo.conf (since the initrd is >9MB atm( [04:39] <seb128> mjg59_: pong [04:39] <seb128> pitti: oh, k :) [04:40] <mjg59_> seb128: So I have a list of laptop keycodes that should be bound to gnome events by default [04:40] <pitti> seb128: but that's a bug for mvo, so nm [04:40] <seb128> pitti: wait for the translation :p [04:40] <pitti> seb128: I have to wait for the Rosetta tarball [04:40] <seb128> mjg59_: the gnome-settings-daemon stuff? [04:40] <pitti> seb128: and I want to have a final word with mdz [04:40] <mjg59_> seb128: Easiest way to do this may be to change the default values in the schemas? [04:40] <seb128> k, so I've time :) [04:40] <mjg59_> seb128: Yeah [04:40] <pitti> seb128: if we can avoid splitting the langpacks, then it would be even better, but that depends on the rosetta activity (I need the tarball for that) [04:40] <seb128> mjg59_: yeah, changing the schemas seems to be the right way for that [04:41] <mvo> pitti: disabeling it globally once one user has seen it is tricky because the file is stored in /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d [04:42] <pitti> mvo: so what do you propose? we have the same problem with the kernel notes - they still appear even after I actually rebooted [04:42] <mjg59_> seb128: Ok - I'll send you a list of which keys need changing and what to? [04:42] <mjg59_> Or should I just file a wishlist bug? [04:42] <mvo> pitti: a small suid application that can remove notifications? [04:42] <pitti> eek [04:42] <pitti> well, ok, would work [04:42] <Riddell> "The Application "update-notifier" has quit unexpectedly." oh well [04:43] <pitti> mvo: would that generally be what we want? declare a notification as handled once the first user sees it? [04:43] <seb128> mjg59_: best option is a patch for the schemas, but a list of keys would be fine too I guess :) [04:44] <seb128> mjg59_: put that to bugzilla please, easier to keep track of it this way [04:44] <mjg59_> seb128: I can't download new packages at the moment, so I'll have to work off the latest I have here - probably not simple to patch [04:45] <seb128> the schemas has not changed for ages [04:45] <Riddell> pitti: which packages is the /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d file in? [04:45] <pitti> ok, so who uninstalled update-notifer on my box??? [04:46] <pitti> Riddell: it's generated dynamically in the l-p-<lang> postinst [04:46] <Riddell> ah hah [04:46] <seb128> mjg59_: anyway just put the list if that's easier for you, I'll patch the .schemas [04:46] <pitti> Riddell: we can't just ship it since we don't show it if we have a more recent version [04:46] <mjg59_> seb128: Cool, thanks [04:46] <seb128> np [04:47] <Kamion> lamont: ok, I've doubled that in debian-cd [04:47] <Riddell> pitti: hmm, I don't see anything in /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/ after installing all 6 packages [04:48] <pitti> Riddell: did you have installed a langpack before? [04:48] <lamont> Kamion: the kernel is compiled (ia64) with a default ramdisk size of 32768 [04:48] <Riddell> pitti: I don't think so [04:48] <pitti> Riddell: the note doesn't appear on fresh installs since it wouldn't make sense for them [04:48] <pitti> Riddell: this is meant for the hoary->breezy update transition [04:49] <pitti> Riddell: so it's actually behaving correctly [04:50] <Riddell> pitti: so it checks for a previous langpack-kde-fr? [04:50] <Diziet> Spot the problem: syslog (syslog_priority, message); [04:50] <pitti> Riddell: no, for an older l-pack-fr [04:51] <pitti> Riddell: for cross-checking, can you purge all packages, install the current breezy version, and dpkg -i them again? [04:51] <Kamion> Diziet: format string bug? [04:51] <Diziet> How did you guess ? Just looking to see if it's exploitable. [04:53] <Diziet> Who knows. It sets this thing as the glib logging handler function. [04:59] <Riddell> pitti: "Name: Language pack reorganization" has now appeared in user.d [05:00] <Riddell> pitti: should langpack-kde-xx-base not have Replace: kde-i18n-xx ? [05:01] <mdz> morning [05:01] <mdz> pitti: you need to talk with me? [05:02] <wasabi_> Oooh. I like xchat-gnome. [05:02] <mdz> Diziet: how is network-manager? is it going to make it for feature freeze? [05:04] <Diziet> What's the feature freeze date ? (Am I supposed to have known?) [05:04] <mjg59_> 11th August [05:05] <Diziet> I'm going to have the resolvconf integration finished today. [05:05] <Kamion> Diziet: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule, FYI [05:05] <Diziet> We're going to run dnsmasq from that. [05:05] <Diziet> k: Ta. [05:06] <Kamion> er, or not, apparently moved, but you can see that for yourself [05:06] <Diziet> Quite so :-). [05:06] <Riddell> Diziet: does network-manager have a KDE frontend? [05:06] <Kamion> elmo: ping, re libdebian-installer sync [05:07] <Diziet> rid: Not AFAIAA. [05:11] <Diziet> I note that we seem to be in `UpstreamVersionFreeze' already. Does that mean we're not supposed to add new packages from universe into main ? [05:11] <Diziet> 'cos network-manager is currently in universe. [05:12] <Burgundavia> no [05:12] <Diziet> Good :-). [05:16] <MagnusR> df [05:16] <Amaranth> i love freenode! [05:17] <Amaranth> i'm throttled right out of #ubuntu, great [05:17] <tseng> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GetOffFreenodeSpec [05:18] <dilinger> jbailey [05:18] <dilinger> er [05:18] <Amaranth> tseng: It'll never happen. [05:19] <Kamion> Diziet: no, it's purely about what we import into Ubuntu (main or universe) from elsewhere, although we do start getting more cautious after UVF. Feature goals tend to be obvious exceptions, though. [05:19] <Amaranth> tseng: You'll just split the users. [05:20] <pitti> mdz: Good morning; sorry, was at the phone [05:20] <mdz> pitti: morning [05:20] <seb128> hi mdz [05:20] <pitti> mdz: I wanted to talk about the final solution for langpacks, but I need numbers for that, and to get them I need the hoary tarball from Rosetta [05:20] <seb128> infinity: could you kick epiphany-browser with the current firefox package? [05:21] <pitti> seb128: binary nmu? [05:21] <seb128> pitti: what binary nmu? it ftbfsed because of the .pc stuff, I want a retry with the new package [05:21] <pitti> seb128: ah, ok; I thought you want to rebuild against the 1.0.6 api, sorry [05:22] <seb128> oh, no ... somebody has a warty box to try this one? :) [05:23] <pitti> seb128: I tried quickly in a chroot, but epy doesn't work in a chroot [05:23] <pitti> seb128: "Bonobo couldn't locate the GNOME_Epiphany_Automation.server file. You can use bonobo-activation-sysconf to configure the search path for bonobo server files." [05:24] <pitti> seb128: that's the only thing I get if I start epi in a warty dchroot [05:24] <seb128> hum [05:24] <pitti> seb128: starting mozilla and ffox works fine [05:24] <seb128> weird [05:24] <seb128> try restarting bonobo [05:24] <pitti> seb128: I mean, the file is right there [05:24] <pitti> seb128: how? [05:26] <seb128> is bonobo-activation-server running from your chroot? [05:26] <pitti> no, I guess not [05:26] <seb128> I guess that's the issue [05:26] <pitti> can I start it manually? [05:26] <pitti> seb128: I just do export DISPLAY=:0.0 for ffox [05:27] <seb128> usually apps start it when required [05:27] <seb128> I'm not sure about this one [05:27] <pitti> seb128: in which package is this? [05:27] <pitti> $ acs bonobo server [05:27] <pitti> gchemutils - GNOME chemistry utils (common test files and binaries) [05:27] <pitti> hardly [05:28] <seb128> libbonobo2-common [05:28] <tseng> nice alias. [05:28] <seb128> /usr/lib/bonobo-activation/bonobo-activation-server [05:28] <pitti> seb128: it's installed in the warty dchroot [05:28] <elmo> Kamion: done [05:28] <Kamion> thanks [05:28] <elmo> how usable is vino in hoary? [05:29] <Kamion> d'oh, none of my baz archives have been mirroring to chinstrap/rookery for ages [05:29] <seb128> elmo: supposed to work fine, why? [05:29] <tseng> elmo: works pretty reasonably on 100baseT link [05:29] <elmo> seb128: I just remember that at some stage (probably pre-warty), it was only useful for client or something [05:29] <tseng> even used 11g [05:30] <elmo> yeah, that's what I'll be using, 80211.b [05:30] <elmo> well, unless I drag a cable.. hum. [05:30] <tseng> it does use XDamage [05:30] <tseng> so it might not be that bad [05:30] <tseng> theoretically only redraws damaged bits [05:39] <slomo> hmm, does somebody know how to use DEB_SHLIBDEPS_INCLUDE with cdbs? i use "DEB_SHLIBDEPS_INCLUDE := debian/libwavpack0/usr/lib" but this leads to -l :debian/libwavpack0/usr/lib and this warning: "Use of uninitialized value in scalar assignment at /usr/bin/dh_shlibdeps line 138, <COMPAT_IN> line 1." [05:40] <pitti> seb128: reproduced [05:40] <pitti> seb128: epy is supposed to display a menu if I right-click? [05:41] <mdz> pitti: did the rosetta team tell you when they could provide the tarball? [05:41] <pitti> mdz: carlos sent me one an hour ago, but it is buggy [05:41] <pitti> mdz: wel, it's only 16 MB, but should be ~ 150 :-/ [05:42] <pitti> mdz: we are debugging this right now [05:42] <pitti> mdz: my plan was: if there are so many actual updates from rosetta that the update packages would grow too big to include them on the CDs, I'll go ahead with splitting [05:42] <pitti> mdz: if they are relatively small, we can maybe ship them in addition [05:42] <mdz> pitti: right [05:43] <pitti> mdz: the alternative would be to not ship rosetta updates on CDs [05:43] <pitti> and just support downloading them from the network [05:43] <pitti> but then we can't install them by default and the user had to manually install the package [05:43] <pitti> and that sucks for less bandwidth posessing folks... [05:43] <pitti> mdz: ^ are you fine with that? or another idea? [05:44] <pitti> s/or/or do you have/ [05:46] <mdz> pitti: it really depends on the numbers I think [05:47] <pitti> mdz: right, I meant, are you fine with that strategy? [05:47] <mdz> pitti: yes [05:47] <pitti> splitting langpacks really sucks, but I guess we don't have any other choices [05:52] <doko> seb128: your argument for reverting the firefox change isn't really convincing: basically you say: I return to the broken behaviour because it works for me, and I don't care about others :-/ [05:53] <pitti> seb128: meh, merely recompiling doesn't help [05:54] <seb128> doko: we talked about it with pitti here and we agreed on that [05:54] <seb128> pitti: :( [05:54] <seb128> pitti: and yep, right click should open a menu [05:54] <pitti> doko: basically we said: "we return to a way that at least works until somebody actually fixes the moz libs to work with epy" [05:55] <pitti> seb128: D'oh, so what now? </helpless> [05:55] <seb128> pitti: what version of epiphany/firefox do we have? I'll ping upstream [05:56] <doko> I'll depend on mozilla-dev again, so I don't care about it anymore. but your're just wrong with the "fix" [05:56] <pitti> piphany-browser | 1.7.3-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Sources [05:56] <pitti> epiphany-browser | 1.4.4-0ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Sources [05:56] <pitti> epiphany-browser | 1.6.1-0ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Sources [05:56] <seb128> doko: everybody is too busy to fix it, and we can't stay for weeks with GNOME ftbfsing [05:56] <pitti> seb128: I need to fix 1.4.4, I can't just upload 1.7.3, or this "new upstream" mess will never end [05:57] <seb128> doko: out of this your "fix" is just "I remove the possibility to use firefox .pc files because it uses a copy of the libs" [05:58] <pitti> seb128: it seems that the API of mozilla-dev didn't actually change syntactically, but semantically it seems [05:58] <seb128> pitti: upstream knows about that usually [05:58] <seb128> pitti: what version of mozilla ? 1.7.10 ? [05:59] <seb128> pitti: BTW how did you fix the bonobo-activation error? [06:00] <seb128> doko: BTW what is your issue with using /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/*.so exactly? Out of the fact that the lib should be packaged at one place to /usr/lib ? [06:00] <pitti> seb128: yes, 1.7.10 [06:01] <pitti> seb128: I installed the warty version of epy in breezy :-) [06:01] <seb128> pitti: and what is the issue? doesn't build? crash? [06:01] <pitti> seb128: right-click (context menu) and middle-click (open in new tab) are broken [06:01] <pitti> seb128: otherwise it works fine [06:01] <pitti> seb128: breaking these mouse buttons seems to be pretty common [06:02] <pitti> seb128: infinity broke them on backporting patches for warty, I broke the middle button on backporting for hoary... [06:02] <seb128> pitti: <chpe> seb128: looks like the standard problem... was ephy recompiled with 1.7.10 ? [06:02] <doko> seb128: it doesn't provide the nss headers and library I need [06:02] <pitti> seb128: in moz and ffox, the function of mouse buttons is defined in javascript (browser.js)
 hmmm weird [06:03] <pitti> seb128: same behavior with the already compiled warty version and recompiling against 1.7.10 (which works fine) [06:03] <seb128> pitti: you built the warty version on a warty box with 1.7.10, that's it? [06:04] <pitti> seb128: right [06:04] <pitti> seb128: since warty-security now has 1.7.10 [06:04] <seb128> doko: just build with mozilla so, changing firefox the way you did doesn't help you to use firefox and break it for GNOME [06:04] <pitti> doko: one idea was to copy the ffox version to the moz source package and check whether all browsers work with that [06:05] <seb128> pitti: chpe ask for a build log ... do you have this? [06:05] <pitti> seb128: no, but I can generate one [06:06] <seb128> pitti: please :) [06:06] <pitti> seb128: if only debuild wouldn't break ccache... [06:06] <pitti> seb128: I have alias debuild='fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -i' [06:06] <pitti> so no build log by default [06:06] <pitti> one day I'll fix that [06:07] <pitti> seb128: after rebuilding ffox, moz, and tbird 50 times in a week you will use ccache, too :-) [06:07] <seb128> pitti: chpe says usually rebuilding is enough ... need the log to say something else :p [06:08] <seb128> pitti: right, probably :) [06:08] <pitti> but this bloody debuild cleans up the $PATH [06:08] <pitti> and --preserve-env and --set-env are broken, of course :-/ [06:09] <pitti> crispin: do you use debuild? [06:09] <crispin> no, I manually build about 15-20 different versions of mozilla :-) [06:10] <pitti> seb128: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/shots/epiphany-browser_1.4.4-0ubuntu2.1_i386.build [06:11] <pitti> seb128: rebuilding doesn't change anything [06:11] <seb128> :( [06:11] <seb128> I've pointed it to chpe [06:12] <pitti> btw, what channel? [06:12] <pitti> no need to steal your time with that [06:12] <seb128> #epiphany on irc.gnome.org [06:12] <seb128> don't worry, I just IRC ping-pong between chans, that doesn't take a lot :) [06:16] <Riddell> does ubuntu come with a GUI system log viewer by default? [06:17] <highvoltage> Riddell: gedit [06:17] <Riddell> that wasn't what I ment [06:17] <highvoltage> oh yes, you use kde. [06:17] <highvoltage> kate [06:18] <azeem> there's gnome-system-log [06:18] <Riddell> azeem: that sounds like it, is that installed by default? [06:19] <seb128> yep [06:19] <azeem> it's installed here, and I don't think I installed it myself [06:19] <seb128> that's a part of gnome-utils [06:19] <azeem> cause I never used it [06:31] <pitti> seb128: thanks for the translation, I add it to langpack-o-matic [06:31] <seb128> thank you :) [06:34] <pitti> lifeless: here? [06:45] <Diziet> This demented package does all of the building in debian/rules binary. [06:48] <carstenh> jbailey: ping [06:48] <jbailey> carstenh: pong! [06:52] <mdz> pitti: --preserve-env CCACHE_DIR etc. works for me [06:53] <pitti> mdz: I tried --preserve-env PATH, and it didn't work [06:53] <mdz> pitti: debuild --preserve-envvar PATH --preserve-envvar CCACHE_DIR [06:53] <mdz> is what I use with apt [06:53] <pitti> odd [06:53] <pitti> have to try that again, thanks [06:53] <mdz> that certainly worked a couple of months ago, the last time I would have expected it to be in cache [06:53] <\sh> hi gentlemen [06:53] <sivang> yo \sh [06:57] <\sh> pitti: do u encountered problems with firefox 1.0.6-1ubuntu2 + flash-plugin? [06:57] <Kamion> woo, oem-config-locale is now just a frontend over localechooser, rather than duplicating code [06:57] <pitti> \sh: works for me so far [06:57] <\sh> pitti: new version from today or from yesterday? [06:58] <pitti> \sh: I currently have the warty version installed, but AFAIK it worked, lemme try again [06:58] <Kamion> how evil would it be to 'mount --bind / /target' just so that I can use some other installer code unmodified? [07:01] <\sh> pitti: the new version i didn't test but the one from yesterday crashed... [07:02] <fabbione> Kamion: not that evil.. why? [07:03] <fabbione> Kamion: but if you modify in one, the second will get the change too.. it's not snapshotting what you are searching, right? [07:03] <pitti> seb128: epy resolved, it was PEBCAK, as usual :-/ [07:04] <sivang> Diziet: why not use recovery mode for single user maintainace ? [07:04] <Diziet> And I can't switch to a VC to do C-A-D because my keyboard map has been mangled. [07:05] <lamont> dmidecode(4133): unaligned access to 0x600000000000804a, ip=0x4000000000007110 [07:05] <lamont> dmidecode(4133): unaligned access to 0x60000000000080f7, ip=0x400000000000ce81 [07:05] <lamont> dmidecode(4133): unaligned access to 0x6000000000008107, ip=0x40000000000[ ok ] [07:05] <lamont> bad dmidecode [07:05] <Diziet> No, I broke the networking remotely because I like to have a nice wm. I was hoping it wouldn't actually break. So I tried to use my existing session to fix it but no luck. [07:05] <Diziet> existing gnome session on the console that is. [07:06] <Treenaks> lamont: so it IS i386-specific after all 8) [07:06] <lamont> lol [07:06] <lamont> it works, just noisily [07:06] <Diziet> Oh, the Gnome system / logout / restart computer did work eventually, I just didn't wait long enough. [07:07] <Diziet> Except now it's stuck on `deconfiguring network interfaces'. [07:09] <seb128> pitti: "PEBCAK"? [07:10] <pitti> seb128: problem exists between chair and keyboard [07:10] <infinito> hi everyone! [07:10] <seb128> oh, yeah [07:10] <seb128> pitti: I've just read on #epiphany [07:10] <pitti> seb128: I installed the updated epy deb in my warty dchroot and called the version in my breezy system, stupid me [07:10] <lifeless> pitti: yo [07:10] <seb128> pitti: nice bug :p [07:10] <infinito> is there any way to get gcfilms synced form debian to ubuntu? [07:10] <infinito> people on #ubuntu-motu tell me to ask here [07:10] <seb128> pitti: anyway just need a rebuild so, that's good news [07:11] <\sh> infinito: if it's on UniverseCandidates it will be synced when the time comes.. [07:12] <pitti> seb128: yes, already uploaded, I'll shove it out soon [07:13] <\sh> infinito: but u r free to build a ubuntu package for breezy and upload it to REVU to be reviewed. [07:13] <infinito> \sh: it is on debian sid, and for what i understand, that's enough to get synced, but maybe i'm wrong... [07:14] <infinito> \sh: i don't have very clear the real process to get pkg into universe [07:15] <\sh> infinito: syncing is easy..but doesn't give u and us the security, that it builds with our toolchain...sid is at early state with gcc4 right? [07:15] <infinito> yeah, but this is a perl-only package [07:16] <infinito> we have packages for ubuntu in our website that works great [07:16] <infinito> and the one from sid works as well [07:16] <\sh> infinito: ok then...where can I have a look to the ubuntu package from u of gcfilms? [07:17] <infinito> http://download.gna.org/gcfilms/ubuntu [07:19] <\sh> infinito: ok..I will have a look tomorrow .. but if it's good, u have to convince others to include it...after the UVF [07:21] <Kamion> fabbione: no [07:22] <Kamion> \sh: eh? synced packages are rebuilt with our toolchain! [07:22] <infinito> \sh: don't exactly what you mean.... [07:22] <\sh> Kamion: yes...I'm talking about NEW packages not in ubuntu [07:23] <infinito> \sh: don't know exactly what you mean [07:23] <Kamion> \sh: surely you review source packages, not binaries? do you really install random binaries built by people you don't have a trust path to? [07:24] <\sh> Kamion: it will go into universe anyways.. [07:24] <Kamion> I know that [07:25] <\sh> Kamion: and I'm building any package again with my own toolset ;) and for new packages I'm testing as well [07:26] <\sh> and I should shut up today..i'm a bit stressed...*closeshismouthnow* [07:33] <infinito> \sh: excuse me just one more time.... what im supposed to do? [07:33] <infinito> \sh: im really newbie in this ubuntu-dev world... [07:35] <\sh> infinito: I will have a look on the package tomorrow...and you should think about an explanation why it should be included in universe after UVF as NEW package...when there is mediamate in the universe archive [07:36] <\sh> and now...I'm busy with my beer...*cheers* /away [07:36] <infinito> \sh: thanks [07:38] <Mez> elmo: whats the best way to contact yu ? [07:38] <Mez> you * [07:38] <Mez> cause I always manage to catch you when you're busy [07:41] <Keybuk> hmm, _lots_ of "directory not empty" errors causing problems upgrading X [07:43] <Keybuk> we should get daniels over to Brazil, and give him some exotic disease [07:43] <Keybuk> If _I_ were in the distro team, this kind of thing would not happen *stamps foot* :p [07:43] <\sh> .oO(brazilian shemales) *hides* [07:44] <bddebian> heh [07:44] <\sh> ok..tomorrow I will do the rest of the merges...and then slang2 [07:50] <Diziet> Yes, lovely, putting network-manager on my laptop shows up a kernel bug. It makes ifconfig(8) wedge. [07:51] <Keybuk> it did that to me too [07:55] <mdz> Keybuk: ipw2100? [07:55] <Keybuk> ...now my system's gone into "You must be blind" mode (fist-sized fonts mid-upgrade) [07:55] <Keybuk> mdz: atheros [07:55] <mdz> Keybuk: ick, perhaps more than one bug then [07:56] <Keybuk> seemed to show up on shutdown more than startup [07:59] <pitti> bah, I got disconnected [08:00] <Diziet> ipw2100 for me. [08:00] <Diziet> But the wifi works fine for me in my sarge install with custom kernel. [08:02] <jasoncohen> it's been a while since thunderbird 1.0.5/6 was released. Now that Warty & Hoary have security updates for firefox & mozilla, will a thunderbird fix be forthcoming? [08:06] <Diziet> Should I edit wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads to mention the fact that you're supposed to upload source-only ? [08:07] <pitti> jasoncohen: it's already in the pipe and built, just waiting for a new enigmail [08:07] <Kamion> Diziet: yes, please [08:08] <jasoncohen> pitti, great, thanks [08:08] <jasoncohen> pitti, will updates be a bit smoother from now one without the slowdown of backporting firefox/mozilla fixes? [08:08] <Keybuk> . o O { where did xkb go? } [08:09] <pitti> jasoncohen: sure, we decided to use new upstream versions, at least if backporting will take more than a few days [08:09] <jasoncohen> pitti, what did you do with thunderbird? [08:09] <pitti> jasoncohen: upgraded to 1.0.6 [08:10] <pitti> jasoncohen: I had the backports working, but it crashed occasionally [08:10] <jasoncohen> that's because thunderbird 1.0.5 made API changes [08:11] <jasoncohen> i thought new upstream releases would only be provided on firefox. I didn't realize it was a general rule for all packages which couldn't be quickly backported- but i guess that still only applies to firefox and a few other packages [08:12] <pitti> jasoncohen: only for moz, ffox, and tbird, for nothing else [08:12] <Diziet> Anyone else want a copy of this n-m mail ? [08:12] <Diziet> (Not that it's hugely long or interesting.) [08:14] <\sh> g'night guys.. [08:15] <Treenaks> later \sh [08:39] <carstenh> pitti: sane is "allow connections to _all_ installed services that provide a rules file", any suggestions for a better name? [08:41] <carstenh> pitti: i guess that is what you meant with "a restrictive default policy" [08:48] <OddAbe19> is there going to be a way to change from the pathbar back to the location bar? or have both? One thing i dont like about the newer gnome releases is the fact that you can't enter a location in some dialogs [08:58] <OddAbe19> is there going to be a way to change from the pathbar back to the location bar? or have both? One thing i dont like about the newer gnome releases is the fact that you can't enter a location in some dialogs [09:06] <pitti> carstenh: "restrictive" means "forbid everything but explicitly permitted things" [09:07] <pitti> carstenh: as opposed to "permissive" (allow everything but explicitly prohibited things) [09:11] <Amaranth> OddAbe19: You can always hit Ctrl-L [09:11] <Amaranth> OddAbe19: And there is a gconf key to change it to a location bar [09:11] <Amaranth> OddAbe19: If you're talking about nautilus, that is [09:12] <Amaranth> OddAbe19: /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_location_entry [09:12] <carstenh> forbid everything but all installed services is restrictive? [09:13] <carstenh> s/^/pitti: / [09:14] <pitti> carstenh: sort of, yes, because the installed services need to specify their policy [09:14] <pitti> carstenh: but we can't do that in breezy if we don't manage to create policies for everything [09:14] <carstenh> sure, but for breezy+1 [09:15] <carstenh> and that is what i meant with sane [09:15] <OddAbe19> Amaranth, thanks, it's just one of the few factors in my descision to goto breezy (i'm so antsy to try, but scared to) [09:15] <OddAbe19> not as stable as Hoary was at this point [09:48] <jp> http://restrex.dotgeek.org/shot.png ! [09:49] <dilinger> oooh [09:49] <dilinger> a tree display of channels would make me happy, so happy [09:50] <Lathiat> happy happy joy joy>? [09:50] <jp> rox! heh [09:51] <jp> dilinger http://xchat-gnome.navi.cx/building.shtml [09:51] <dilinger> libsexy, eh? [09:52] <Lathiat> dilinger: heh yeh, library by chipx86 for things like clickable urls in labels and icons in text boxes [09:52] <jp> no, I've not applied for that, I'm asexist dude [09:52] <jp> ;-) [09:52] <jp> heheh [09:52] <jp> yep [09:53] <dilinger> Lathiat: chipx86 of gaim fame? :( [09:53] <jp> yeah [09:53] <Lathiat> dilinger: why the :( ? [09:55] <dilinger> gaim's interface pains me [09:56] <Treenaks> dilinger: use bitlbee [10:02] <mgalvin> hi all [10:03] <mgalvin> does any know if apt supports https? [10:03] <hubH> jp: if you could fix the default completion scheme, I think lot of people would love y ou [10:03] <hubH> the new fancy one is just unusable [10:03] <Riddell> elmo: the kubuntu powerpc dvd still isn't seeded. are you the right person to poke? [10:04] <dilinger> hubH: agreed [10:06] <hubH> q. when un bugz someone say to discuss it on ubuntu-devel, is it on the mailing list ? [10:10] <jp> hubH heh not programmer yet dude, I wanna be one, but now I've not time to learn, next year I'll study computing science, so next year I wanna get involved on programming and helping [10:10] <jp> :-) [10:11] <tseng> more like an exercise in futilitiy [10:11] <jp> tseng really, now I don't have time [10:11] <jp> I could learn, but I'm preparing to join university dude [10:12] <jp> so, next year, I'll be in programming times I think [10:13] <tseng> ok :) [10:13] <jp> :) [10:32] <jasoncohen> does the epiphany problem only affect warty? [10:33] <pitti> jasoncohen: it's already fixed in warty, btw [10:33] <jasoncohen> yeah, i just got the security notice [10:33] <jasoncohen> btw, USN-155-1 was never emailed [10:34] <pitti> jasoncohen: hm? [10:34] <jasoncohen> USN-155-1 was never sent to the ubuntu security announce list [10:34] <pitti> indeed, how odd... [10:34] <jasoncohen> i got USN-154-1 and then USN-149-3 [10:34] <jasoncohen> and USN-155-2 just came in a few minutes ago [10:35] <pitti> http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2005-July/035434.html [10:35] <pitti> ^ USN-155-1 on full-disclosure [10:36] <jasoncohen> yeah, i saw it a few days ago on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/usn/usn-155-1 [10:36] <pitti> jasoncohen: I probably overlooked it in mailman, thanks for pointing out [10:36] <jasoncohen> the warty firefox update was kind of scary. i've never seen that many CAN's in one update [10:37] <pitti> I released it to the list [10:37] <jasoncohen> 53 in all [10:38] <jasoncohen> pitti, was warty's firefox vulernable to all security flaws in 1.0.1-1.0.5 or just some? [10:39] <pitti> jasoncohen: most [10:42] <jasoncohen> pitti, why did warty never receive a patch? was it just too difficult to backport fixes? [10:42] <pitti> jasoncohen: we started with backporting and went on, but the vulns came faster than we could keep up [10:42] <pitti> jasoncohen: and it was very hard to backport to 0.8.3 [10:42] <pitti> 0.9.3 [10:43] <ajmitch> morning pitti [10:43] <pitti> this was really unfortunate [10:43] <pitti> Hi ajmitch [10:44] <jasoncohen> pitti, well, can you imagine backporting fixes from mozilla 1.7.8 to mozilla 1.7.0 from 3 years earlier [10:44] <jasoncohen> i can't imagine the amount of code changes that must have occured [10:44] <jasoncohen> that was the situation with woody [10:44] <pitti> I can imagine it [10:45] <pitti> 1.7.0? 1.4.0 rather? [10:45] <jasoncohen> http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/web/mozilla [10:46] <jasoncohen> 1.0.0-0.woody.1 [10:46] <jasoncohen> i read the bug reports...the developers weren't even sure if it was still vulnerable [10:46] <jasoncohen> *if it was vulnerable [10:46] <pitti> that actually worked? [10:47] <ajmitch> true, 18 months of security updates for fewer packages is easier than ~3 years for all of debian :) [10:47] <jasoncohen> 4 years [10:47] <jasoncohen> 3 years + 1 year after release of sarge [10:47] <ajmitch> ah yes [10:48] <jasoncohen> and the security team can't prioritize [10:48] <pitti> jasoncohen: it might be that Sarge now will receive new upstream versions of at least tbird [10:48] <jasoncohen> neither mozilla nor firefox have been patched [10:48] <pitti> jasoncohen: at least that's the maintainer's intention [10:49] <jasoncohen> pitti, heh, you think so? debian developers are pretty anal about backporting all security fixes [10:49] <jasoncohen> they refused to use a new mozilla version in woody [10:49] <pitti> jasoncohen: actually we are, too, that's why it took so long [10:49] <pitti> jasoncohen: new upstreams just break so many things, see warty langpacks and epy [10:49] <pitti> which shows that our general approach with backporting is richt [10:49] <pitti> right, even [10:49] <jasoncohen> yes it is but not with mozilla products [10:50] <jasoncohen> there are just too many security fixes, too often [10:50] <pitti> that's not the problem [10:50] <jasoncohen> and neither debian nor ubuntu could keep up [10:50] <jasoncohen> then what is? [10:50] <pitti> but the code is too complicated and intertwinded [10:50] <jasoncohen> ah [10:50] <dredg> changes between versions that break backported code don't help [10:51] <pitti> it uses 34 API levels, javascript all over the place, garnished with 10 XML formats... [10:51] <jasoncohen> well, didn't you know that would happen? a day after 1.0.5 was released, 1.0.6 came out [10:51] <pitti> jasoncohen: and they can't resist from adding new features to new upstream versions [10:51] <jasoncohen> to fix that very problem [10:51] <ajmitch> so that's why noone likes taking responsbility for firefox :) [10:51] <pitti> ajmitch: right, 'cause that package is TEH SUCK [10:52] <pitti> it doesn't even have a patch system [10:52] <pitti> mozilla and tbird are much better packaging-wise (of course that doesn't help to cure the upstream mess) [10:52] <jasoncohen> and the mozilla team doesn't really like distribution patches [10:52] <pitti> jasoncohen: well, the patches are there [10:53] <jasoncohen> they would prefer to have users use the upstream release from a QA standpoint [10:53] <jasoncohen> since they hear the complaints when something doesn't work [10:53] <pitti> jasoncohen: I ported them to our versions, that was not a problem (well, it took some 40 hours, but oh well) [10:53] <pitti> jasoncohen: the problem is that it is impossible to find the patches that fix the regressions from the security patches [10:53] <jasoncohen> it may not be the perfect solution but using the new upstream release certainly assures quick security updates and will save you a lot of time and grief [10:53] <pitti> jasoncohen: and they still use cvs [10:54] <pitti> jasoncohen: that's what we finally concluded as well [10:54] <pitti> jasoncohen: I tried to work with their cvs, but it's a pain [10:54] <jasoncohen> users should just install extensions manually using the xpis [10:54] <pitti> cvs so much sucks, especially if you maintain some 40 branches in it [10:54] <jasoncohen> and then upgrade after they upgrade firefox [10:55] <jasoncohen> that seemed to be part of the problem with the the last security backport (to 1.0.5 fixes) [10:56] <jasoncohen> what is debian doing about firefox/mozilla? [10:57] <pitti> jasoncohen: they won't have much choice than to upgrade to new upstreams [10:57] <jasoncohen> debian's security team seems to prioritize server apps. i see updates for obscure little server packages which are probably used by very few people while the big desktop packages aren't fixed [10:57] <pitti> jasoncohen: RedHat had employed an upstream hacker to do security updates for mozilla stuff [10:57] <pitti> jasoncohen: and yet they put 1.0.6 into their enterprise distro (!) [10:57] <Lathiat> pitti: heh [10:57] <jasoncohen> heh [10:58] <jasoncohen> what do you think of what they do with fedora? [10:58] <jasoncohen> backporting some and new upstream for others [10:58] <pitti> jasoncohen: which indicates that two Ubuntu hackers with no code knowledge can't possibly be better than that and win [11:00] <jasoncohen> i've never really understood fedora's security update policy but it seems to work. they get updates out quickly [11:01] <jasoncohen> why does mozilla refer to security problems by their own MFSA #s rather than the CANs? [11:01] <ajmitch> ah, I was looking at wrong version in changelog [11:01] <ajmitch> bother, it's a new upstream version too [11:01] <pitti> jasoncohen: they can get them immediately, I suppose, and they have their own schema (much like our USNs) [11:02] <pitti> jasoncohen: often, the CAN assignment slacks for a while [11:02] <pitti> jasoncohen: but they should indeed use them more regularly [11:02] <pitti> jasoncohen: mapping a MFSA to a CAN is nontrivial [11:02] <jasoncohen> they should at least give the CANs as well [11:03] <pitti> jasoncohen: they do in a few MFSAs [11:03] <jasoncohen> that's one reason i didn't like backporting of security fixes on firefox [11:03] <pitti> which reason? [11:03] <dredg> heh, for added fun, see redhat's changelogs. [11:03] <jasoncohen> not all of the fixes in the new upstream were always backported at one time and it was difficult to tell what was missing since the USNs used CAN #s and mozilla uses MFSA's [11:03] <dredg> they're _nasty_ [11:04] <pitti> jasoncohen: hm, sorry; but we generally use CANs since they are much easier to track and more standardized [11:04] <jasoncohen> no- i agree with you [11:04] <jasoncohen> i want mozilla to follow the standard and give the CANs too [11:05] <jasoncohen> but why did you release a patched firefox versoin without all the fixes from the upstream? [11:05] <jasoncohen> *the security fixes [11:06] <pitti> jasoncohen: hm, I did? you mean the 1.0.2 backported version? [11:06] <jasoncohen> yes [11:06] <jasoncohen> USN-124-1 [11:06] <pitti> I applied all patches that were mentioned in their MFSAs [11:07] <pitti> darn, silly network; brb [11:08] <Lathiat> MFSA = mozilla foundation security advisory? [11:11] <jasoncohen> pitti, hey- USN-134-1 included all the fixes from 1.0.4 [11:12] <jasoncohen> i was referring to USN-124-1 [11:12] <jasoncohen> it only lists 7 CANs and there are 9 MFSAs...did the CANs include multiple MFSAs? [11:15] <pitti> probably two MFSAs didn't apply to us, lemme check [11:15] <jasoncohen> MFSA-2005-33 is linked to CAN-2005-0989 which isn't in the USN [11:16] <jasoncohen> also, security patches are sometimes spread over more than one security advisory so you dont' know if you have all the security updates from the current upstream release [11:17] <jasoncohen> for an example see USN-139-1 AND USN-140-1 - from gaim 1.3.1 [11:17] <jasoncohen> the updates were seperated over 5 days [11:17] <jasoncohen> *seperated by 5 days [11:18] <pitti> jasoncohen: for example, MFSA-2005-33 was already fixed before the hoary release [11:18] <pitti> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefox_1.0.2-0ubuntu5.1/changelog [11:18] <jasoncohen> that and the time it takes to patch is really the only advantage of getting new upstream releases. you know you're up to date & secure [11:18] <pitti> in 1.0.2-0ubuntu4 [11:18] <pitti> jasoncohen: oh, gaim patches are easy [11:19] <pitti> jasoncohen: I already fixed the gaim package before it became public and released it immediately [11:19] <pitti> jasoncohen: and I got to know the other issue only a bit later [11:19] <pitti> jasoncohen: but a mere DoS wasn't something I needed to particularly prioritize [11:20] <jasoncohen> AH [11:20] <jasoncohen> i see [11:20] <jasoncohen> i see now [11:20] <jasoncohen> but at the time i wasn't sure if it was patched or not [11:20] <pitti> CAN-2005-0989 was the MFSA 2005-33 [11:21] <pitti> jasoncohen: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ubuntu-cve/fixed.html [11:21] <pitti> ^ I use that for tracking, and I just marked hoary as not vulnerable to CAN-2005-0989 [11:23] <jasoncohen> pitti, i was looking for a site like that. debian testing has one [11:23] <pitti> http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ubuntu-cve shows the index [11:23] <jasoncohen> btw, what does CAN stand for? i know what CVE is [11:24] <dredg> isn't CAN getting renamed to CVE? [11:24] <jasoncohen> yeah [11:24] <Mez> pitti: ping [11:24] <dredg> or did i make that up? [11:24] <jasoncohen> common vulnerability and exposures [11:24] <pitti> dredg: no, that will happen soon [11:24] <pitti> Hi Mez [11:24] <Mez> ah, sorry didnt see you there :D [11:24] <Mez> pitti, did you package FF yourself, or were you working from debain stuff? [11:25] <Mez> cause I'm thinking of making a firefox-preview release (for those who want to play with 1.5) and was wondering the best place to start [11:25] <jasoncohen> Mez, hey, what's going to happen with backports-staging? currently some of the staging packages can't be used with backports because they require libraries from the old backports like libgcc1 [11:25] <Mez> whether I should start witha new package, or wheter I should work from the current one [11:25] <pitti> Mez: we base all packages on the Debian ones [11:26] <pitti> Mez: debian/ is fine, but you should definitively add a patch system to ti [11:26] <Mez> jasoncohen, they shouldnt depend on libgcc1 from backprots - that's just bad packaging [11:26] <pitti> Mez: moz and tbird have patch systems, but ffox doesn't [11:26] <Mez> pitti: It's not a problem to add a patch system to it ... just wondering about making a preview release (for universe of course) [11:26] <jasoncohen> Mez, i know that, heh [11:26] <pitti> Mez: would rock :-) [11:26] <Mez> what's your opinion - is it worth packaging up? [11:27] <pitti> Mez: well, if you want to, sure; and we can use the packaging for the final release [11:27] <pitti> Mez: but please ask the Debian maintainer for cooperation [11:27] <quitte> i have a problem compiling gtk-doc. the error i get is:checking for DocBook XML DTD V4.1.2 in XML catalog... not found [11:27] <pitti> Mez: and persuade him about the necessity of a patch system :-/ [11:27] <jasoncohen> Mez, any timeframe on when official backports will receive smeg, f-spot and other assorted packages that are currently missing [11:27] <quitte> i already recompiled docbook-xml but that didnt help. any idea what i should do? [11:27] <quitte> lool: if you are there please have a look [11:28] <Mez> pitti, I don't know whether he's thought about 1.5 yet - as a preview release... and well, though patch systems are nice, are they needed atm (you are just on about debian/patches right? [11:28] <Mez> jasoncohen, we're waiting on elmo and sorting other stuff [11:28] <jasoncohen> pitti, why does http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ubuntu-cve/unfixed.html show packages in hoary as unfixed when hoary-security has the appropriate patches [11:29] <pitti> jasoncohen: the mirror where I'M running the scripts lags a bit [11:29] <pitti> jasoncohen: last automatic update was almost 12 hours ago [11:29] <pitti> and it's only mirrored once per day or so [11:30] <pitti> jasoncohen: it'll resolve nicely tomorrow or so [11:30] <jasoncohen> ok, because it's still showing mozilla 1.7.6 [11:30] <Amaranth> oh dear, no smeg in backports? [11:30] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, not in official backports [11:30] <jasoncohen> it's still on the old mirrors [11:30] <Amaranth> oh, that reminds me [11:30] <jasoncohen> pitti how about php4, gnupg, gzip, and unzip. are they really vulnerable? [11:31] <Amaranth> Mez: What happens to my gnome-menus 2.10.2ish packages? [11:31] <Mez> Amaranth, what? [11:32] <pitti> jasoncohen: php4 was a typo in the changelog, nothing real [11:32] <pitti> jasoncohen: the gnupg issue is not something we need to be concerned with (very low prio) [11:32] <Amaranth> Mez: gnome-menus 2.10.2-0ubuntu1~5.04ubp1 [11:32] <pitti> jasoncohen: I still have to do gzip and unzip, but they are not very critical and I wanted to do the moz stuff before [11:33] <pitti> jasoncohen: there is a fair amount of stuff I need to catch up with, the moz stuff drained a lot of time from me [11:33] <jasoncohen> how old is the gzip problem? [11:33] <jasoncohen> it shows 03-17-2005 [11:34] <Mez> Amaranth, what about it [11:34] <Amaranth> Mez: breezy doesn't have 2.10.2 :P [11:34] <Mez> what version does breezy have? [11:34] <pitti> jasoncohen: hoary isn't vulnerable anyway [11:34] <Amaranth> Mez: I wouldn't bother putting smeg in hoary-backports if that can't come with it. [11:34] <Amaranth> Mez: I'm not willing to deal with the bug reports. [11:34] <pitti> jasoncohen: ah, that's the reason, even warty is not affected [11:34] <Amaranth> Mez: 2.11.90 [11:35] <Mez> Amaranth, breezy has 2.11.90 [11:35] <Amaranth> You can't backport GNOME to hoary. [11:35] <Mez> so whats the problem with that version being there [11:35] <Amaranth> smeg needs 2.10.2 or newer [11:35] <pitti> jasoncohen: I'll clean up that list a bit once I have some time again [11:35] <Amaranth> hoary has 2.10.1 [11:35] <Mez> mmhmm, so hasn't smeg been used in hoary? [11:35] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, it does...i'm using it with gnome-menus 2.10.1 [11:36] <Amaranth> Mez: gnome-menus 2.10.2-0ubuntu1~5.04ubp1 is in backports [11:36] <Mez> Amaranth, so why cant we put 2.11.90 in backports official [11:36] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: I'm surprised you haven't bitched yet, I got a ton of complaints about things not working or me breaking people's menu until I got them all on that. [11:36] <Amaranth> Mez: Depends on a bunch of other 2.11.90 stuff, you'd end up backporting GNOME. [11:37] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i did notice xine is showing up in it's own Multimedia menu and i can't get rid of it [11:37] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: ding! [11:37] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-backports/main/binary-i386/gnome-menus_2.10.2-0ubuntu1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb [11:37] <jasoncohen> installing 2.10.2 now [11:37] <Amaranth> http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-backports/main/binary-i386/libgnome-menu0_2.10.2-0ubuntu1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb [11:37] <jasoncohen> i just activated the old backports source [11:37] <Amaranth> ah, ok [11:38] <Mez> Amaranth, and the problem with backporting gnome is? [11:38] <Mez> lol [11:38] <Mez> we're planning to backport KDE :D [11:38] <Amaranth> Mez: seb128 will murder you [11:38] <Mez> lol [11:38] <Amaranth> Mez: You're going to keep hoary-backports running past breezy's release? [11:38] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, how do i get rid of the multimedia menu. smeg isn't showing it [11:38] <Mez> lol [11:39] <Mez> Amaranth - dunno yet [11:39] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: install those packages and log out/in [11:39] <jasoncohen> pitti, so, of the gnupg, php4, and gzip, unzip CANs, which actually affect hoary? [11:39] <pitti> EPARSE [11:39] <pitti> ah, ok [11:39] <pitti> unzip and gnupg [11:40] <pitti> but I won't update gnupg [11:40] <pitti> it's just not worth breaking gnupg for an academic issue [11:40] <pitti> unzip will be fixed soon [11:40] <jasoncohen> has it been fixed upstream? [11:40] <jasoncohen> i'm using gnupg 1.4.1 [11:40] <pitti> yes, it's fixed in breezy [11:40] <jasoncohen> i'll just do another backport from breezy then [11:41] <pitti> OMG, why bother? [11:41] <jasoncohen> i need the SHA2 hashes [11:41] <pitti> ah, for that, ok [11:41] <pitti> but not for that stupid CAN, please [11:41] <jasoncohen> so, it's a non-issue [11:41] <Mez> lxbc9adp [11:41] <jasoncohen> um, this makes no sense [11:41] <Mez> f**k [11:41] <Mez> stupid thing [11:41] <jasoncohen> gaim 1.4.0 has this CAN http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2004-0891 which only applies to gaim .79 to 1.0.1 [11:42] <pitti> jasoncohen: it's basically "if I send you 2 million mails and ask you to try to decrypt them and tell me which one succeeded, then I can tell you the first two bytes of your key" [11:42] <jasoncohen> hmm, lol [11:42] <jasoncohen> and that'll do nothing [11:42] <pitti> jasoncohen: mathematically it is interesting, but not really something you would encounter in practice [11:42] <Mez> fabbione: ping [11:42] <jasoncohen> pitti, why does gaim 1.4.0 show that CAN? [11:43] <pitti> jasoncohen: only in hoary-backports [11:43] <jasoncohen> yeah [11:43] <jasoncohen> but hoary-backports has the newest upstream release- 1.4.0 [11:43] <pitti> jasoncohen: because that CAN isn't in the changelogs, but in my override database [11:43] <jasoncohen> and that CAN is very old [11:43] <Mez> soryr [11:44] <Mez> backports. .. / [11:44] <pitti> jasoncohen: and I just told my db "fixed in warty, hoary" [11:44] <Mez> whats was the problem? [11:44] <jasoncohen> ok [11:44] <pitti> jasoncohen: I don' track issues in backports [11:44] <pitti> I mean, I could add it [11:44] <Mez> what issue in backports ? [11:44] <jasoncohen> you shouldn't have to if backports has the newest upstream [11:44] <pitti> but h-backports didn't appear in my list until three days ago [11:44] <pitti> I'll probably just ignore *-backports in ubuntu-cve [11:44] <jasoncohen> Mez, http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ubuntu-cve/unfixed.html shows gaim 1.4.0 as being vulnerable but the CAN is really old and doesn't apply [11:45] <jasoncohen> pitti, do you ever patch issues in universe? [11:45] <pitti> that's a community effort [11:45] <pitti> in the past, there were some quite active patchers [11:47] <jasoncohen> pitti, a few php packages were fixed from universe [11:47] <jasoncohen> was that done by the community? [11:47] <pitti> yes, I don't do them myself [11:47] <pitti> I review debdiffs and release packages, but I don't have the time to patch universe [11:48] <jasoncohen> what will happen when ubuntu releases its enterprise distro with a longer support cycle? will main be expanded to support more server packages like debian? [11:49] <pitti> no idea, we didn't talk about that yet [11:49] <jasoncohen> though debain seems to support too many packages and they prioritize for a server and usually ignore desktop apps for a while [11:49] <pitti> that'll be a topic on november's conference, I guess [11:49] <jasoncohen> *debian [11:49] <pitti> jasoncohen: indeed, Debian should adopt something like universe as well [11:50] <pitti> supporting 15.000 packages with things like some dozen crappy php web apps and other ever-breaking stuff is insane [11:50] <jasoncohen> i receive DSAs and i haven't even heard of half the packages being patched [11:50] <ajmitch> pitti: heard anoy more about the next conferenve? [11:50] <maswan> well, first debian should get aorund to vancouvering some arches... :) [11:50] <pitti> no, just the rough time [11:50] <ajmitch> ok [11:51] <jasoncohen> yup, do you think they will maswan? [11:51] <pitti> maswan: I don't think that the arches is the biggest problem, it's one of Debian's biggest strengths rather [11:51] <jasoncohen> i use sarge for my mythtv box- so i have a lot of php, apache and mysql stuff some of which is in universe in ubuntu [11:51] <maswan> pitti: well, the mirror split is really needed. [11:51] <pitti> right [11:52] <maswan> pitti: the rest is about release team handling ports vs porting team handling releases. if the release team say they can't handle it, some solution needs to be found. the future will tell, I guess. [11:53] <jasoncohen> pitti, who tests security updates before being released and why was USN-149-1 released with the known problems in firefox 1.0.5? [11:54] <pitti> jasoncohen: I tested them, and ffox worked just fine for me; I tested it with some extensions, flash, video, and several profiles [11:54] <pitti> I just didn't test the extensions everybody else seemed to deem as utterly important [11:55] <jasoncohen> pitti, if its any condolance, it worked fine for me [11:55] <jasoncohen> and i use tab browser preferences [11:55] <jasoncohen> i just download the xpi myself rather than using the packaged version [11:55] <pitti> jasoncohen: it worked for me, too, otherwise I wouldn't have released it :-) [11:55] <maswan> Hmm.. I wonder if you could put a cost at supporting a package over the lifetime of a release [11:56] <pitti> but thanks :-) [11:57] <jasoncohen> pitti, is an 18 month security support cycle reasonable? is it more difficult to support warty now for example than hoary? [11:58] <pitti> jasoncohen: for most packages it's not, and I think 18 months is reasonable [11:58] <jasoncohen> it seems that other than mozilla/firefox/thunderbird, all of the updates have been simultaneous on both warty & hoary [11:58] <Nafallo> pitti: apt-cache madison openmotif [11:58] <Nafallo> pitti: the change in breezy is closing those xpm vulns ;-) [11:59] <pitti> Nafallo: openmotif doesn't exist... ??? [11:59] <pitti> libmotif-dev | 2.2.3-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/multiverse Packages [11:59] <pitti> ah, multiverse [11:59] <Nafallo> pitti: multiverse [11:59] <Nafallo> yepp :-) [11:59] <Nafallo> the only one for hoary :-P [11:59] <Nafallo> s/one/four/ [12:00] <pitti> gosh, who still uses motif nowadays??? [12:00] <pitti> why not at least lesstif? [12:00] <Nafallo> pitti: ubuntu-cve ;-) [12:00] <Nafallo> might aswell backport it for {warty,hoary}-security

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.298487

2005-08-02-#launchpad

[12:15] <ddaa> Is there some documentation explaining what are the benefits or being the owner of a launchpad product? [12:15] <ddaa> jblack: that would be something useful when talking to community folks about taking ownership of products in launchpad. [12:37] <jblack> Not that I'm aware of, no [12:38] <jblack> Presumably the two benefits would be karma, control or both. [12:38] <jblack> I don't think karma is in yet. Control is a more interesting question, but it might not hurt until there's a little more implemented. That doesn't mean we can't make a nice document and have it ready [12:44] <ddaa> I do not feel that karma bling is really a good selling point for pragmatic maintainers, for I would not care the least. It's more the specifics of the "control" that I'm asking about. I posted to the mailing list. [01:00] <jblack> Certainly, there's going to be a point when there's enough value in launchpad that a creator of a product will want to be the launchpad owner as well. [01:00] <jblack> They'll want to take personal responsibility for that content. [01:01] <jblack> daf and rosetta as well. [01:02] <jblack> I have no doubt that if not today, then soon the product owner gets to decide who has awesome powers when it comes to bugs for a product. [01:03] <jblack> rosetta probably has a copule weak relationships. [01:03] <jblack> The product series management will be very, very important too, once there's enough percieved value there. [01:04] <ddaa> but it's not clear how useful such "awesome powers" are for a product that already has its own bug tracker. [01:04] <jblack> It will be once malone is so good, that anybody that uses anything else will be a dope. =D [01:04] <ddaa> I'm not being negative, just trying to keep focus on "now and here". [01:05] <ddaa> Since I'm sure there's more to Launchpad that I'm aware of. [01:05] <jblack> "What do I miss if you delay taking ownership until next week, if I'm not using malone anyways?" [01:06] <jblack> "What do I miss if I delay taking ownership of a product until next week, if I'm not using malone anyways?" [01:06] <jblack> Is that the question? [01:48] <ddaa> The question from the scribus guy was more like "why should I care about launchpad" [01:48] <ddaa> which was a genuine question [01:49] <ddaa> not "why should I care this week and not next week", but "why should I care today". [01:50] <ddaa> but maybe that's just my own perspective [01:50] <ddaa> like some guy pointed out, I believe in working code, not in shiny ideas. [02:27] <jblack> What I'm trying to get out of this is whether he's asking why he should care today, or why he should care at all [02:31] <ddaa> does that make any practical difference? [02:37] <jblack> I think so. [02:39] <jblack> If he doesn't care today, then he has a understanding of the possible value, but doesn't recognize current value. [02:39] <jblack> If he doesn't care at all, then he doesn't recognize possible value as well. [02:39] <ddaa> Well, they were quite friendly, I guess he was asking about today. "You can assign it to me once my account registration goes through, that's fine. What can we do with it is the question?" [02:39] <ddaa> I just understand that as a "that's cool, but what is it useful for?" [02:40] <jblack> Heh. I wonder what my life would be like if I had registered certain domain names back in the mid 90's. [02:41] <ddaa> That's a different thing. We'll arbitrate disputes sensibly, and anyway the owner is a core developper. [02:41] <ddaa> Clearly, if it were not possible to speculate on domain names, websquatting would be pointless. [02:42] <jblack> I'm not suggesting that he squat. :) [02:42] <ddaa> That was a "okay, the product is in good hand, and you can assign it to me if you want, but then what?" [02:42] <jblack> I'm suggesting that he can avoid the inconvience of contacting a human if somebody else squats on his property. [02:43] <jblack> but then what? Then we'll get ahold of him when we've got somethign ready that we think he needs. [02:44] <jblack> Today, we've got the resources to hunt down owners for many of the owners of ~1k products. We likely won't have those resources when we've got 50 times that. [02:44] <ddaa> Ha, that's a interesting answer "we're working hard to make launchpad something you will want to use, the product owner is the person we will spam when we think it's ready" [02:44] <jblack> Nah. Thats not spam. [02:45] <jblack> spam is centered around money. This isn't. [02:46] <ddaa> Maybe "launchpad is something you will want to use as a packager when it's ready. It's not ready just yet, but if you are the project owner we will contact you with interesting news and events" [02:46] <ddaa> duh... [02:47] <jblack> You've got a point (a good one too, a lot of people could think that way). [02:47] <jblack> So we do a standard do-not-contact checkbox. [02:47] <ddaa> then, back to the original question [02:48] <ddaa> why, as a project maintainer or core developer, should someone care today about it? [02:48] <jblack> David, if he's not interested right now, then that's ok. He'll come along on his own some day. [02:48] <ddaa> (except for the import, since it that case it was already done) [02:49] <ddaa> jblack: you're missing my point, the guy was not "not interested". Actually, you could read it as he was asking us what interesting stuff we had for him. [02:49] <jblack> Did you consider the "we did this import info in the hope it would be useful to you. Now that the work has been done, would you mind registering as the proper owner of the product, so that the product is owned by the right person rather than a canonical developer?" [02:50] <ddaa> Let's play a game. I'll play the maintainer. [02:50] <ddaa> To what you just said, I reply: [02:51] <ddaa> "You can assign it to me once my account registration goes through, that's fine. What can we do with it is the question?" [02:52] <jblack> One of the things that you can do right now is that you can assign extra product series to your import. That way a program named dyson can be used by the distributors to track patches for your software. That way, end users can compare whats been fixed where. [02:52] <ddaa> IOW, "no problem, I'm creating my account so you can assign the product to me. Thanks for the import, that's going to be useful. Now that the import is running automatically, what else can I do with that product?" [02:52] <jblack> Are we role playing, or debugging? :) [02:52] <ddaa> "How do I use Dyson"? [02:53] <ddaa> Roleplaying to debug the argumentation :) [02:53] <jblack> Dyson isn't the thing that's actually used. The actual interface is going to be through the bug tracker, malone. Don't worry, you don't have to use malone if you don't want (in fact, if you're using bugzilla, malone tracks things for you) [02:54] <jblack> The important part is that the people that are packing your software for you and giving it to the community for you are going to be able to track patches for your software much more efficiently. [02:54] <jblack> There's other things as well, if you're interested. ;) [02:55] <jblack> We have plans in the near future of implementing something at the supermirror called "starring". [02:56] <ddaa> "Actually, I'm the packager. The baz import will allow me to package using tla-buildpackage. But the import is already running." [02:56] <jblack> As the maintainer of a product, you can note for end users which third party branches for your product are important. Its a way for you to help developers of your software to know which branches you're interested in. [02:56] <jblack> Oh, which distro do you package for? [02:56] <ddaa> "I'm packaging for ubuntu" [02:57] <jblack> Oh. In that case, you're gonna do it because if you don't, Mark will shove his size-X boot up your ass. ;) [02:57] <ddaa> (taking user hat off) the thing you say about third party branches is not true, yet [02:57] <jblack> I didn't say its true now. I said it's going to be true. :) [02:57] <jblack> btw, I wouldn't make the boot comment, at least not in those terms. [02:58] <jblack> Id actually say something more along the lines of "If you're already in ubuntu, then you probably have a good idea of where we're going, and why we're trying to get the dataset as accurate as possible" [02:58] <ddaa> The guy appeared to be quite reasonable, not hostile, but not a fanboy either. [02:58] <jblack> He's a ubuntu developer? [02:59] <ddaa> nope, it's just the upstream [02:59] <jblack> Ok. So he's not the packager, correct? [03:00] <ddaa> the -ubuntu packages versions are done by doko, jriddell and so on. He is signing the changelog entries for version that are not specific to ubuntu. He is the upstream packager. [03:00] <jblack> Ok. sync. [03:00] <ddaa> http://packages.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/s/scribus/scribus_1.2.2.1-1ubuntu1/changelog [03:00] <jblack> In that case, I'd mention the plans for malone doing multi-distro tracking and ubuntu-upstream tracking. [03:01] <jblack> We also are in strong need for projects that are willing to be test subjects for us. [03:02] <ddaa> mh... I sort of see the point, but that starts to be a bit complicated for me... [03:02] <jblack> If he helps us by letting us use him as a test case, then the process is going to be salted with his input, and give him tools that are closer to his needs. [03:02] <ddaa> I guess that the guy might be receptive to that. [03:02] <jblack> Most developers are. :) [03:03] <jblack> Another approach I'd consider (I'd have to know him reasonably well first) is the old changing-the-world argument. [03:04] <ddaa> But I do not really feel up to the task of convincing him. "We are going to track your bugtracker in malone, and other distro bucktrackers as well. Okay, it's not really working yet and it sucks as a bug tracker, but if you would beta-test the stuff for us we would do our best to make Malone something you'd use every day" [03:04] <jblack> (Nobody likes to think that they're getting in the way of an einstein) [03:04] <jblack> ddaa: That's ok. Its my job to do that. :) [03:05] <jblack> The very, Very useful thing you could do to help getting this done is to give him a favorable introduction of me. [03:05] <jblack> That should be easy. I'm a nice, patient guy and I rarely bite. [03:06] <ddaa> well, I'm certainly ending up doing a fair bit of it myself, as I'm going to interact with community guys as part as the import sheperding etc. [03:06] <jblack> Hur? I thought I was sheparding imports? [03:06] <ddaa> ha? [03:06] <ddaa> Well, that's fine. [03:07] <ddaa> All this stuff just came from a reply I made for a bug. [03:07] <jblack> I could be desynced here (that happens to me) [03:07] <ddaa> "cannot create project scribus" [03:07] <jblack> But my impression from the self appointed one was that I'd be the human interface to imports and keeping an eye on it. [03:07] <ddaa> that naturally led me to assign the guy as the owner of the product (i.e. not the packager), and going to #scribus to make publicity and ask if the guy was known and trustworthy. [03:07] <jblack> Presumably, if there was a problem with the back-end, I'd dump it into some queue somewhere for attention by the guys that have worked ont he code for a yaer. [03:08] <ddaa> Yeah, it completely makes sense. But then there's not point in setting to strong a separation. [03:08] <jblack> Yeah. I wasn't planning on that. [03:09] <jblack> Basically, continuing the old process. Keeping a list of various failures. As time permits, you or lifeless hit the failures. [03:10] <ddaa> As we get better at diagnosing common failures it would make sense for you to work on the diagnosing as well, as that would enable you to do on-the-spot support. [03:10] <jblack> If something particularly juicy comes up, I might ping you for a canfix/cantfix [03:10] <ddaa> Whatever, no point is arguing semantics. [03:10] <ddaa> Let's just get the work done :) [03:11] <jblack> And yes, I'm open to that. [03:11] <jblack> ("Let's get..." and "make sense for you..." [03:12] <jblack> I'd probably avoid the complicated ones though, as I have the impression from mark that I should be more concerned about hitting the pavement, so to speak. [03:12] <ddaa> That's my understanding, though second hand, too. [03:13] <ddaa> That malex guy seems to be away ATM. I'll ping you to to arrange a fortuitous encounter when he seems back :) [03:13] <jblack> Ok. [03:13] <ddaa> do you think I should do that in private or public? [03:14] <jblack> Is he an independant sort, or a community sort? [03:14] <jblack> If we're dealing with a Lord, then private. If we're dealing with a Raadt, then community. [03:15] <jblack> Private is generally slightly better, because its better to already ahve a convert amongst the group, so that he does most of the selling. [03:15] <ddaa> Dunno Raadt, but he seems rather oriented towards his own community. [03:15] <ddaa> Okay. [08:22] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.5: new build (patch-58) [08:25] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.5: Added a -m, --modified option to baz commands displaying revision lists (patch-44: Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr) [10:08] <sivang> ddaa, jblack : can anyone at that stage contribute patches to bazaar ? [10:11] <nakeee> all the translation I upload rosetta get to the original projects? [10:19] <sivang> nakeee: there's a mechanism to push them back to the upstream project, IIRC so yes [10:21] <nakeee> sivang: hwo many translators are using it in hebrew? [10:23] <sivang> nakeee: you can check through rosetta, let me see [10:26] <sivang> nakeee: we don't have a registered translators group, guess we'll have to make one [10:26] <sivang> nakeee: done with tests? :) [10:29] <nakeee> sivang: hopefully I have a bit free time now:) can I have the permission to add translators? [10:30] <sivang> nakeee: let's see [10:30] <sivang> Anyone here can help us set up a hebrew translation group? [10:30] <sivang> jordi: ping , howya doing? [10:31] <jordi> hi! [10:31] <jordi> right now I'm berserking [10:31] <sivang> jordi: you're waht? [10:31] <sivang> :) [10:32] <jordi> raging [10:32] <jordi> I'm veeery annoyed today. [10:32] <sivang> jordi: oh, I'm sorry to hear that. [10:35] <sivang> jordi: do you know who approves new language translation groups? [10:35] <jordi> hmm, probably carlos right now. [10:35] <jordi> aha! [10:36] <carlos_> hi [10:37] <sivang> carlos: hey carlos [10:37] <sivang> carlos: What do I need to do to start a hebrew translation team in rosetta ? [10:38] <carlos> sivang, send an email to rosetta@ubuntu.com asking for it [10:38] <sivang> jordi: btw, may I as why are you annoyed? [10:38] <sivang> carlos: ok, what happens when you open it ? I become moderator / whatever and can approve new translators? can I then delegate it to another person? [10:38] <nakeee> sivang: who is going throught the translation people submit for hebrew?you? [10:39] <jordi> sivang: I learned just now that I'm forced to give a talk in "Campus Party" about LliureX [10:39] <sivang> jordi: hmm, is this some kind of an academic project? [10:39] <nakeee> hmm that's not good [10:40] <nakeee> so all the translations ppl did so far didn't get in? [10:40] <carlos> sivang, as we know you, we can add you as the admin for that team and you can add other admins [10:40] <carlos> jordi, ;-) [10:40] <sivang> nakeee: what carlos said :) [10:40] <sivang> carlos: what happened to all translations of poeple so far? [10:40] <carlos> sivang, is there a problem with their translations? [10:42] <jordi> sivang: no, one of these meetings of people with pcs where they spend a week copying porn, warez and movies and sleep very little [10:47] <sivang> carlos: thinking of the moderation now, something must have been done with the translations - either they are held back until review, or already in [10:47] <sivang> carlos: which is the right case? [10:47] <carlos> sivang, you will see them as suggestions [11:14] <nakeee> carlos: I see there are suggestion from other places and found somewhere else comments [11:14] <nakeee> is it something rosetta adds? [11:15] <carlos> nakeee, those are translations related to the one you are doing from other versions of that resource or from other projects [11:16] <nakeee> what other projects? [11:17] <carlos> nakeee, anyone imported into Rosetta [11:17] <nakeee> oh it looks for similar strings? [11:17] <carlos> we will add a link to the origin of that suggestion [11:17] <carlos> yeah [11:18] <nakeee> carlos: a use suggestion button might be nice so one wont need to copy paste it [11:18] <carlos> nakeee, planned too [11:22] <nakeee> is there a way to add a dictionary project?like something that the string would be the words that appear in all other projects [11:22] <nakeee> and then it can be used as reference while translating [11:22] <nakeee> to make sure wording is the same [11:23] <carlos> nakeee, well, it would be a bit difficult [11:23] <nakeee> how so? [11:23] <carlos> as we work with the whole string [11:23] <carlos> so you need to add lots of terms there [11:23] <sivang> carlos: I'll email rosetta@ubuntu.com, for the translation group , k? :) [11:24] <carlos> but there is also a glossary like feature that will handle that by words [11:24] <carlos> sivang, sure [11:24] <nakeee> well, it can use a word list but I thought like that it would be more effective [11:24] <nakeee> carlos: it just a script that need to run once and in the future just adding few words is no big deal [11:25] <sivang> carlos: done [11:26] <carlos> nakeee, if you want to translate 'File' the same across all Ubuntu, you need it done with a glossary like feature [11:26] <carlos> it's really difficult to store all kind of strings that contains that word [11:27] <carlos> so you translate it always the same [11:27] <nakeee> that not what I mean [11:27] <nakeee> I mean it more as a hint to the translator [11:27] <nakeee> he can click on the word file and see how it appears in the dictionary [11:27] <nakeee> so he won't need to go around looking how it was in other projects [11:29] <carlos> nakeee, so you are talking about a html file with a list of words [11:41] <nakeee> carlos: yes only 1) I can translate those words using rosetta interface 2)I can quickly ask from inside rosetta what is certain's word translation [11:55] <carlos> nakeee, that's not so trivial as you think... [11:56] <nakeee> in what sense? [11:58] <carlos> that we cannot do it in an afternoon [11:59] <nakeee> maybe, but I think it would be worse it [11:59] <nakeee> it would make the translation level of people a lot higher [12:06] <carlos> I know, and as I said, it's a planned feature [12:23] <nakeee> ok cool [12:59] <jblack> when is the meeting? Now or now +1 ? [12:59] <daf> now+1 [01:00] <jblack> be back [01:12] <jordi> daf, carlos: where are we regarding importing/exporting? [01:12] <jordi> is it fixed in production now? [01:12] <jordi> I can't start mailing people if it's not working right now [01:12] <jordi> would scare people away. [01:13] <daf> we were just discussing it [01:13] <carlos> jordi, we can add new potemplates now [01:13] <daf> seems like breezy imports are being really slow [01:13] <carlos> jordi, but the import is being a bit slow [01:13] <jordi> nod [01:13] <daf> and slowing the other imports down [01:13] <carlos> and that slows too other imports [01:13] <carlos> X-) [01:13] <daf> :) [01:13] <carlos> daf, get out of my mind! [01:13] <jordi> stop the echo effect [01:15] <daf> carlos: I suggest you mail launchpad about the problem [01:15] <daf> carlos: perhaps Steve or somebody will have an idea about debugging it [01:17] <carlos> daf, well, I suspect where the problem would be [01:17] <carlos> daf, but hadn't time to test my theory [01:17] <daf> what's your hypothesis? [01:19] <carlos> daf, that the imports are failing because the poimports from breezy are attached by Rosetta admins and they are not editors [01:21] <daf> why would that make it so slow? [01:23] <carlos> because it takes time to do an import that it's rejected [01:23] <daf> hmm [01:23] <daf> and the rejected ones stay in the queue? [01:26] <carlos> yeah [01:26] <carlos> so a restart makes it slower [01:26] <daf> ouch [01:26] <daf> wait a minute [01:27] <daf> I thought they were marked as Failed [01:27] <daf> and not tried again [01:28] <carlos> daf, it depends on the kind of error [01:30] <daf> isn't that a bug? [01:31] <daf> what if we change the permissions somehow? [01:37] <carlos> permissions? [01:37] <carlos> so it doesn't fall? [01:38] <carlos> fall/fail/ [01:38] <carlos> that's the plan, yes [01:42] <daf> what's blocking it? [01:44] <carlos> daf, I was working on the language packs, remember? [01:44] <carlos> :-) [01:53] <daf> carlos: how are the language packs going? :) [01:53] <carlos> daf, added to the review queue [01:53] <carlos> and being executed on mawson [01:54] <jdahlin> elmo? [02:02] <jblack> time for the weekly meeting? [02:03] <daf> yes [02:03] <daf> but no SteveA [02:03] <jdahlin> there's no internet connection in the office here in brazil, where the meeting is held [02:04] <daf> ahh [02:04] <daf> that explains it :) [02:07] <jblack> Is somebody keeping a log, and we can just meet and send stevea the log? [02:07] <daf> I expect we'll have the meeting when they get their internet connection back [02:07] <daf> there's no point having a meeting with 4 people :) [02:07] <carlos> daf, :-) [02:08] <bob2> hah [02:22] <morgs> 3 [02:22] <morgs> 2 [02:22] <morgs> 1 [02:22] <morgs> MEETING E... [02:22] <morgs> oh] [02:23] <morgs> hiya [02:23] <SteveA> hi [02:23] <SteveA> no meeting today [02:23] <SteveA> the internet went down [02:23] <jblack> !! [02:26] <SteveA> daf, carlos, jblack, ddaa, morgs: the launchpad wiki will be read only for a few days [02:26] <ddaa> blah [02:26] <SteveA> so that we can work from it directly here in brazil, in case our network goes down again [02:26] <carlos> SteveA, ok [02:26] <morgs> You took the wiki with you? [02:27] <ddaa> I was just running upstairs with my breakfast... [02:27] <carlos> SteveA, how will we handle the review queue? [02:27] <SteveA> carlos: good question [02:28] <SteveA> carlos: first of all, we won't have any reviewers available until later next week anyway [02:28] <carlos> SteveA, I'm asking because I just added an entry there [02:28] <carlos> ok [02:28] <SteveA> carlos: that's okay. [02:28] <daf> yeah, I added a page just now [02:28] <SteveA> carlos: secondly, if we have urgent reviews then you need to mail them [02:28] <daf> apparently, I am now DafyddHarries4 [02:28] <SteveA> if you have urgent updates to pages, you need to mail them to here and tell people [02:28] <SteveA> daf: you need to talk with stu about that [02:29] <daf> ok [02:29] <carlos> ok [02:29] <carlos> daf, I think you can change it from launchpad [02:30] <SteveA> it is possible that you can't [02:30] <SteveA> if you can't, tell stu [02:32] <carlos> stub, I will need to cherrypick a patchset today, would it be possible? [02:32] <carlos> daf, my theory was correct, I have a test and the fix ready [02:32] <stub> Email me and lifeless as per usual [02:33] <daf> carlos: fix? [02:33] <daf> carlos: make it fail when the permissions are wrong? [02:33] <daf> carlos: or rather, makrk the import as failed [02:34] <carlos> hmmm [02:34] <carlos> daf, that other fix should be done too. Thank's for remind me it [02:34] <daf> heh [02:34] <daf> what was your fix? [02:34] <daf> even better, check the permissions *before* doing the import [02:34] <daf> to avoid doing unneccessary work [02:35] <carlos> daf, canEditTranslations returns True always if it's a rosetta expert [02:36] <daf> ah [02:36] <daf> rosetta admin, you mean? [02:36] <daf> does that use a celebrity? [02:37] <daf> if it doesn't, it should [02:37] <carlos> it does [02:37] <carlos> that's why I said Rosetta expert ;-) [02:37] <daf> hmm [02:37] <daf> ok [02:41] <carlos> hmmm [02:41] <carlos> daf, the error is: raise AssertionError, 'published translations are ALWAYS is_editor' [02:41] <carlos> daf, that was a programming error that the test will detect in the future [02:42] <carlos> I don't think we should try to catch that exception [02:42] <daf> can we change that message to something clearer? [02:42] <daf> and it's better to use AssertionError("...") [02:42] <daf> not AssersionError, "..." [03:12] <salgado> lifeless, can you check what happened with a merge request I sent 30mins ago? I didn't get any mail from pqm and it's already processed [03:12] <morgs> cprov: some friends of mine use jira, very shiny but in java... [03:15] <cprov> morgs:yeah, I've seen it in a comparision with Trac (http://trac.edgewall.com) which smells much better because is python [03:18] <lifeless> looks like it failed [03:18] <lifeless> I'm betting your mail is borked after the outage and the result will come later [03:41] <jblack> lifeless: I had a couple problems to tell you about this morning, but they're worked out. [03:41] <lifeless> col [03:41] <lifeless> cool I mean [03:42] <jblack> btw, good morning. Hope you're well. =) [03:43] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Bug 1279: Move bazaar branches from portal to main part of product page (patch-2183: morgan.collett@canonical.com) [04:03] <mpt> cprov: WordPress uses Rosetta for translations, and Trac for issue/changeset tracking [04:04] <dilys> New Malone bug 1602 filed on Bazaar by Matthieu Moy: baz inventory panic()s on unreadable directories [04:04] <dilys> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1602 [04:05] <ddaa> sivang: anybody can contribute to bazaar (that is baz or bzr), they are just plain vanilla free software projects. [04:07] <sivang> ddaa: ah nice, I deduced that from the rocketfuel dillys spit outs, I saw "patch from jone doe, ....." :) [04:08] <sivang> ddaa: but I reckon the canonical versions and the upstream vanilla are different no? [04:09] <morgs> sivang: the canonical one *is* the upstream one... [04:09] <jamesh> sivang: we use the same baz as everyone else [04:10] <sivang> jamesh, morgs : ah oops, thanks fellas for the enlightment :) [04:10] <morgs> :) [04:15] <cprov> mpt: Trac rocks a lot, I use it for private/public issue tracking and our clients like a lot the wiki/tickets/SVNview/Roadmap integration [04:32] <daf> morgs: seems to me that owners of teams always get notifications about membership requests [04:32] <daf> morgs: so I get these notifications about teams I've created but which I'm not a memeber of [04:32] <daf> morgs: these teams do have admins who take care of the membership applications [04:33] <salgado> daf, I fixed this in one of the branches I'm working on. that was a bug. [04:33] <daf> cool [04:33] <salgado> from the days before TeamEmail [04:34] <daf> why did I think that morgs was the teams person? [04:34] <salgado> daf, I asked that question to myself too. maybe you're the right person to answer? :P [04:35] <daf> heh [04:35] <daf> well, I don't know [04:57] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] BuildFarm works again, bits repaired and ready for deep redesign. (patch-2184: celso.providelo@canonical.com) [05:24] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] PackageVersionVerification and tweaks (patch-2185: stuart.bishop@canonical.com) [05:45] <dilys> New Malone bug 1603 filed on Registry by Morgan Collett: RDF fails when team has an email [05:45] <dilys> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1603 [05:50] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Bug 1279: Move bazaar branches from portal to main part of product page, add URL (patch-2186: morgan.collett@canonical.com) [06:29] <kiko> carlos? [06:29] <Keybuk> daf: see you soon [06:30] <Keybuk> be sure to pack any diseases you might want to bring with you [06:30] <Keybuk> everyone else has [06:35] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [r=SteveA] add facet menus to people and projects. add calendar link to facets (patch-2187: james.henstridge@canonical.com) [06:39] <carlos> kiko, ? [07:10] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Added Rosetta experts as editors for every .po file (patch-2188: carlos.perello@canonical.com) [08:33] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: Some fixes as per Steve review. Do not use Subsets to traverse; instead do the traversal by consuming items from the traversal stack. r=SteveA (patch-2189: guilherme.salgado@canonical.com) [09:03] <SteveA> salgado: jim fulton says +1 to modifying zope/security/checker.py to have declarations for set and frozenset, using a try:except NameError to make it still work with python 2.3. [09:03] <SteveA> salgado: you can tell stub, or whatever [09:06] <salgado> SteveA, great. I'll talk to stub [09:13] <SteveA> thanks [09:20] <salgado> stub, <SteveA> salgado: jim fulton says +1 to modifying zope/security/checker.py to have declarations for set and frozenset, using a try:except NameError to make it still work with python 2.3. [09:20] <salgado> would you fix that for me? [09:21] <stub> shh.... I'm sleeping [09:21] <Kinnison> lies [09:23] <stub> ok [11:05] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.5: new build (patch-59) [11:06] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.5: Added ARCH_LOG to commit, import and tag hooks (patch-45: Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr) [11:21] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.5: new build (patch-60) [11:22] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.5: rbrowse shows revisions one-by-one (not version per-version) (patch-46: Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr)

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.313054

2005-08-02-#kubuntu

[12:01] <Curalton> not here [12:02] <Curalton> yes, on hover they do appear [12:02] <Curalton> "not here" @ "missing words" [12:03] <mitsuhiko> Curalton: i only see strange symbols [12:03] <sorush20> lol... not very chatty are we...hmmmm... just one questions... is there an open source program that backs up to DVDS and CDRW.... [12:03] <mitsuhiko> they sould be japanese signs [12:03] <othernoob> sorush20: i already told you, k3b [12:03] <Curalton> errr, yes. in konqueror indeed. works in opera mitsuhiko [12:03] <othernoob> sorush20: or just use cli cdrecord [12:04] <stibby> in kopete how do i allow chat invitations? [12:05] <Curalton> mitsuhiko: also the webservers header "Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8" is correct, so file a konqueror bug :) [12:06] <mitsuhiko> hm. the problem only exists in handling linked css files [12:06] <mitsuhiko> look here: http://www.active-4.com/unicode.html [12:07] <Curalton> uh, ok. im no html/css coder :) [12:18] <cs378> hello [12:19] <mitsuhiko> hi [12:20] <cs378> anyone kno a good wifi application [12:22] <mitsuhiko> Curalton: http://www.nwlink.com/~cheeth/bugs/unicode_test.html [12:23] <mitsuhiko> you were right [12:23] <mitsuhiko> its a damn konqueror bug [12:25] <Jeezis> ok, how do i compile a .c file into a .so file? [12:38] <malbicho> hola a todos [12:44] <cartel_> hi guys [12:44] <cartel_> does breezy have kde 3.5 testing? [12:45] <malbicho> necesito ayuda con quanta [12:46] <frank> malbicho: for spanish, check out #ubuntu-es [12:47] <frank> (spanish, right?) [12:48] <malbicho> sorry [12:48] <malbicho> it is kubuntu-es, I love KDE [12:49] <malbicho> ok, bye [12:54] <McScruff> i mounted an iso into a folder, unmounted it but the files stayed in there and i cant delete them [12:54] <McScruff> Read-only file system [12:54] <McScruff> help [12:56] <|rockinnerd|> McScruff, type mount [12:56] <torz> hi, I'm running Kubuntu on AMD64 3000+ 2.0GHz but proc tells me its 1GHz... [12:56] <McScruff> yep [12:57] <McScruff> its still on that list [12:57] <|rockinnerd|> well, try umounting it as root, then remounting it with -o rw [12:58] <McScruff> mcscruff@ubuntu:~$ sudo umount /home/mcscruff/c-keysvc1.iso /home/mcscruff/iso [12:58] <McScruff> umount: /home/mcscruff/iso: device is busy [12:58] <torz> hi, I'm running Kubuntu on AMD64 3000+ 2.0GHz but proc tells me its 1GHz... [12:58] <|rockinnerd|> McScruff, cd to a dir other than /home [12:58] <|rockinnerd|> than do it [12:58] <|rockinnerd|> like cd /bin ; umount /home/mcscruff/iso [12:59] <McScruff> busy still [12:59] <McScruff> and i dont have it open in any window [01:00] <|rockinnerd|> uh... [01:00] <McScruff> its crazy [01:00] <othernoob> then try umount -f [01:00] <|rockinnerd|> sudo fuser -k yourisomountpoint [01:01] <McScruff> what will that do [01:02] <|rockinnerd|> fuser will kill any process that's accessing that mountpoint [01:02] <|rockinnerd|> umount -f forces the umount [01:02] <McScruff> yey [01:02] <McScruff> mcscruff@ubuntu:~$ sudo fuser -k /home/mcscruff/iso [01:02] <McScruff> /home/mcscruff/iso: 9025 [01:02] <McScruff> then it unmounted fine [01:02] <McScruff> ty [01:03] <McScruff> what is 9025? [01:03] <|rockinnerd|> process number [01:03] <othernoob> its pid [01:03] <|rockinnerd|> if you have to ask u prob don't wanna know [01:04] <|rockinnerd|> ps aux shows all of the processes running on your computer, starting with /sbin/init, and all of their pids [01:05] <|rockinnerd|> you know what's a fun way to cause a linux kernel panic? append init=/bin/sh to your kernel line in grub or lilo, reboot, then type exit at the shell prompt. Fun stuff :) [01:06] <othernoob> mmh, why does kaffeine keep running, even though it was closed a long time ago.. [01:07] <|rockinnerd|> killall -TERM kaffeine [01:07] <othernoob> i know that [01:07] <McScruff> ok new mounting iso problem [01:07] <othernoob> i'm just wondering why it still appears in ps aux, even though i closed it like 2 hours ago.. [01:07] <|rockinnerd|> what is it McScruff [01:08] <McScruff> gone to mount a new iso and it says mount: Not a directory [01:09] <McScruff> mcscruff@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount *.iso /home/mcscruff/iso [01:09] <McScruff> mount: px-bhd.iso is not a block device (maybe try `-o loop'?) [01:09] <McScruff> mcscruff@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount *.iso /home/mcscruff/iso -o loop [01:09] <McScruff> mount: Not a directory [01:09] <McScruff> mcscruff@ubuntu:~$ [01:09] <|rockinnerd|> try it one at a time [01:10] <McScruff> try what 1 at a time? [01:10] <McScruff> oo i know why [01:10] <|rockinnerd|> mounting the isos [01:10] <McScruff> there is only 1 [01:10] <McScruff> i know why its not working [01:10] <McScruff> it wont be able to extract them [01:19] <Curalton> i usually do "mount -t iso9660 -o loop some.iso /empty/dir" [01:25] <blackbird-fly> i install kubuntu in ubuntu hoary and my k button menu are all disorganized in program menu not like when you install kde on other distributions, i think gnome messed it up how to fix it please? [01:32] <pax> blackbird-fly: you can set it up the way you like via kmenuedit [01:34] <testmad> !kde [01:34] <testmad> what is addy for kde upgrade? [01:35] <crimsun> testmad: referenced in the topic [01:36] <testmad> i'm using irssi and cannot see full topic [01:36] <blackbird-fly> pax, thanks [01:36] <testmad> can someone just copy and paste it for me? [01:36] <apokryphos> testmad: can you just type /topic [01:37] <testmad> thx [01:38] <sorush20> anyone here know how to install KDA [01:38] <sorush20> anyone here know how to install KDAR, back up utility [01:41] <l-i-l> Hello, I have a problem with setup in egroupware [01:41] <l-i-l> I think I need to turn globals on in php.ini but its read only & I can't change permissions [01:42] <pax> sorush20: http://kdar.sourceforge.net/kdar-html-docs/compilation-and-installation.html [01:43] <l-i-l> Can anyone help? [01:44] <blackbird-fly> if i'm switching a user with ubuntu over to kubuntu, in addition to adding the hoary-kde-341 source listed in the topic, are there other sources to add from kubuntu.org too? [01:44] <crimsun> possibly the koffice one if you want it [01:45] <blackbird-fly> crimsun, thanks [01:45] <dutch> evening crimsun :) [01:46] <crimsun> evening dutch [01:47] <l-i-l> Can anyone help me with the php.ini? [01:47] <sorush20> pax, thanks for the tip.... I have been there.. and I can't resolve the problem.... I thinks its because ./configure can't find the KDE folder... I have pasted in the flood [01:47] <pax> egroupware channel seems active. [01:48] <testmad> what is option for dist upgrade [01:48] <testmad> is it apt-get -u dist? [01:49] <l-i-l> Yeah, but most linux I would have root access to, I doubt its a egroupware issue. [01:49] <pax> sorush20: ./configure --help should tell you ho how to prefix [01:50] <testmad> apokryphos: how do i update the distro? [01:51] <sorush20> anyone here using kdar [01:51] <apokryphos> testmad: did you add the new repositories? sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will update all your KDE stuff [01:51] <testmad> yes [01:51] <testmad> but i need to do the distro upgrade first [01:52] <pax> l-i-l: I lost you, you want to run something as root? [01:52] <apokryphos> testmad: are you coming from Warty? [01:52] <testmad> no [01:52] <apokryphos> then you don't need to do it [01:52] <testmad> this is fresh install [01:52] <apokryphos> testmad: sudo apt-get upgrade will upgrade all packages that it can; and just for kubuntu stuff: kubuntu-desktop [01:53] <testmad> ok thx [02:12] <Kovecses> hello [02:15] <weridcreep> hello [02:15] <weridcreep> how do i install my webcam [02:32] <sorush20> Guys I keep getting this error... can someone help... it happens when I try to ./configure a package.... here is the error.. I posted it in the flood...... checking for KDE... configure: error: [02:32] <sorush20> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. [02:32] <sorush20> So, check this please and use another prefix! [02:32] <frank> sorush20: you need some kde-dev packages [02:33] <frank> install kdebase-dev [02:33] <sorush20> thank you frank... hope it works... [02:36] <sorush20> frank [02:37] <frank> yeah? [02:39] <weridcreep> what kernel does ubuntu use [02:39] <sorush20> there is a problem... I get this after I make, then make install... .the configuration was good... its in the flood [02:39] <sorush20> I think its 2.6 [02:39] <frank> weridcreep: 2.6.10 [02:39] <weridcreep> is the newest [02:40] <sorush20> does anyone know if Ubuntu is going to incorporate SElinux [02:40] <sorush20> i.e. Sexy, Easy Linux [02:40] <frank> sorush20: I don't know [02:40] <frank> lol [02:41] <sorush20> Sick Egg Linux [02:41] <weridcreep> what is SELinux? [02:41] <sorush20> Silly Egg Linux [02:42] <frank> not sure.. Secure something [02:42] <sorush20> its actually ,,, Security Enhanced Linux, [02:42] <sorush20> developed by the NSA, [02:42] <sorush20> National Security Agency, [02:43] <sorush20> you know.. the guys who can kill with out excuses.. [02:43] <weridcreep> i dont trust them [02:43] <sorush20> I do.. [02:43] <weridcreep> i prepher gtg [02:43] <weridcreep> pgp [02:44] <frank> pgp is just encryption [02:44] <weridcreep> and thats bad? [02:45] <frank> no but its not the same thing as hardening a whole O [02:45] <frank> S [02:46] <weridcreep> i dont knwo [02:46] <weridcreep> i dont trust anyone [02:46] <sorush20> guys.. has anyone here worked on fixing a make error... [02:46] <sorush20> here it is.. [02:46] <sorush20> archiveHandle.cpp: In member function `libdar::crypto_algo [02:46] <sorush20> archiveHandle::queryCryptoAlgorithm()': [02:46] <sorush20> archiveHandle.cpp:222: error: `crypto_blowfish' undeclared in namespace `libdar [02:46] <sorush20> ' [02:46] <sorush20> make[2] : *** [archiveHandle.o] Error 1 [02:46] <sorush20> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/sam/Desktop/kdar-2.0.6/src' [02:46] <sorush20> make[1] : *** [all-recursive] Error 1 [02:46] <sorush20> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/sam/Desktop/kdar-2.0.6' [02:46] <sorush20> make: *** [all] Error 2 [02:47] <weridcreep> dont flood [02:47] <sorush20> sorry.. [02:47] <weridcreep> its ok i dont care [02:47] <sorush20> but you guys.. don't check the flood.. [02:47] <weridcreep> i just typed somethign u wouldnt get kicked [02:47] <frank> sorush20: that doesn't tell me much [02:47] <frank> was that from make? [02:48] <sorush20> what more do you wana.. know.. [02:48] <sorush20> yes.. [02:48] <sorush20> it was from make.. [02:48] <frank> paste the whole thing in http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ [02:51] <sorush20> all I'm trying to do is to.. install a backing up program that can write to a DVD, [02:52] <sorush20> so I went for KDAR, I've searched for it in the synaptic but its not there so I have to do things manually.. [02:52] <sorush20> there is a backup program on the KDE Ubuntu,its Konserve, and it not able to write to a DVD or what else.. [02:52] <sorush20> could someone please help ... I would reallly appreciate any help.. thanks.. [02:53] <frank> Yeah I don't know much about backup programs [02:53] <sorush20> I don't want to back up much maybe just a DVD... [02:53] <sorush20> in size [02:54] <frank> would just a regular burning program do? [02:54] <sorush20> yea... it look like it.. [02:54] <sorush20> I can use k3b,, [02:55] <sorush20> fine.. but when you think about it you have to erase a DVDRW manually, eachtime.. write a session... maybe I'm just being a little too picky.. but its a very good idea don't you think to have it done for you automatically... [02:57] <frank> yeah. I just don't do backups often enough to use dvdrw anyways [02:58] <sorush20> I'm trying to do.. because I just lost all my data .. recently.. including photos.. and a load of other data archived.. [02:58] <frank> that sucks [03:00] <sorush20> I'm probebly going to buy a HDD and just use it as back up.. [03:01] <frank> either that or there are online backup services that let your store data for a fee [03:04] <Jeezis> anyone have a recommendation for a good c/c++ ide? [03:04] <frank> I don't know them but there are eclipse and kdevelop [03:05] <Jeezis> i have kdevelop but for some reason it isn't letting me start a new project or debug and compile any .c files i have already [03:05] <Jeezis> ok, might as well see what eclipse has to offer [03:07] <Jeezis> hmm, eclipse doesnt seem to be in my package list [03:07] <sorush20> jeezie.. more repositories maybe.. [03:08] <Jeezis> hrm, i thought i added all the repositories, but i could have missed some [03:09] <frank> Jeezis: I think its called eclipse anyways [03:10] <supernix> Why is it the junk mail controls never work in thunderbird ? [03:12] <Jeezis> frank: thanks, i found it online, i'll download and install it from source i suppose [03:12] <Jeezis> i have no idea why kdevelop is giving me trouble though [03:13] <sorush20> guys you'll be interested to know "open source", is not that far behide "Microsoft" Just do a google search on "open source" there are 212,000,000 results, and for "Microsoft" 247,000,000 results.. Keep up the good work.. guys.. ha ha ha .. ho ha ha ha.....:-D [03:13] <frank> Jeezis: you're on your own, all I know are the names. kdevelop is in the repositories though\ [03:15] <Jeezis> hmm, i'll see if i can figure out why kdevelop isnt working [03:23] <ralph1> apokryphos: hi [03:24] <apokryphos> hi ralph1 [03:25] <dutch> crimsun: you busy ? [03:25] <crimsun> dutch: what's up? [03:26] <dutch> evening...the other night I saw you tell some one how to upgrade to 686.... [03:26] <ralph1> apokryphos: Well finally got the backport deb uploaded, the konq transfer did not work, so tried ftp from commandline that did not work, seem the ~was the problem as soon as it was replaced with dash ftp transfered the file. [03:26] <dutch> mind telling me too [03:26] <crimsun> dutch: sure, use Kynaptic to install linux-686 [03:26] <crimsun> dutch: (or use aptitude/apt-get/dselect) [03:26] <apokryphos> ralph1: so it worked? Cool. [03:26] <dutch> ok, I'll try kynaptic first :) [03:27] <apokryphos> ralph1: you could always do scp too, if you had ssh access btw.. [03:27] <apokryphos> dutch: other KDE graphical frontends to apt includes KPackage (my preferred GUI option) [03:27] <ilba7r> hi just wanted to know the status of wine before installing it i used it once and it was broken so any one used the new one? [03:28] <hussam> I had a sudden power off. how can I check the hard disk for errors? [03:30] <ralph1> apokryphos: do not have that type of access. For most part sourceforge incoming access is anonymous. After file is there a developer that has to move to project site repo. What I did not know was that the tilde in the file name was preventing it from uploading. [03:30] <sorush20> could someone help me with a make error I keep getting.. [03:30] <apokryphos> ralph1: Not sure why it would, but hey. You can just change the name after uploading it, I guess. [03:31] <sorush20> I've pasted it in the flood.. [03:31] <sorush20> I'm at a dead end.. [03:31] <dutch> crimsun: guess I better re-boot this thing next [03:32] <crimsun> dutch: yep [03:32] <dutch> see ! learning something every time I talk to you :) [03:32] <apokryphos> hussam: I believe e2fsck is the command -- you might need to add some options in there. Check the man page [03:32] <dutch> brb [03:32] <ralph1> apokryphos: That is what I am hoping happens. Do not want to break the ability to seamlessly update when program gets in to main repositories. This was just a short cut to get wider access to the file. [03:33] <apokryphos> ralph1: why du want a tilde in the title, anyhow? [03:36] <ralph1> apokryphos: The file is a backport of Kmymoney2 version 0.7.4 which was done for me by seth. From what he said and I have read, the tilde is need to allow updating to work correctly when the program/file makes it to main repositories. In at least one case on of my backported files that seth made did get updated with the same version from the main repos. So the tilde works. [03:37] <hussam> apokryphos: can I force a check on next reboot? [03:37] <apokryphos> ralph1: oh [03:38] <apokryphos> hussam: perhaps, but I wouldn't know how (sorry). Perhaps try #ubuntu or #debian [03:38] <TestMAD> that sux [03:39] <TestMAD> had to reinstall kubuntu..and im getting errors all over for some wierd reason [03:39] <TestMAD> never had this happen before [03:40] <Jeezis> TestMAD: yeah, it took me a few installs to get everything just right [03:40] <Jeezis> but that was more due to my impatience than to actual errors [03:40] <hussam> apokryphos: ok thanks, brb [03:40] <apokryphos> Why, guys? You shouldn't ever really have to do a fresh install [03:41] <ralph1> apokryphos: The file was named kmymoney2_0.7.4-0ubuntu1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb, I guess with out the tilde part it would never get up dated with a file same version from main repositories. [03:41] <apokryphos> Surely just putting a higher version, i.e. ubuntu2 would do it [03:43] <ralph1> apokryphos: I suppose so, but I am really light on knowledge in this area and new to Kunbutu/debian stuff. [03:43] <apokryphos> :) [03:44] <ralph1> apokryphos: well off to supper now. [03:45] <TestMAD> well..i never had problems installing the first 4 or five times [03:45] <TestMAD> just this one [03:45] <TestMAD> and i dont know y.. [03:45] <TestMAD> but owell..i feel like playin act of war right now so itll wait till tomorrow [03:46] <apokryphos> TestMAD: why have you installed 5 times? :| [03:47] <TestMAD> well..messed up a few times [03:47] <TestMAD> and wanted cleanest install i could get.. [03:48] <TestMAD> then upgrading kernel to k7 [03:48] <TestMAD> the nvidia.com drivers caused me some headaches.. [03:48] <apokryphos> all you need to do is fix that problem; fresh install shouldn't really be an options [03:48] <TestMAD> and so.. [03:48] <TestMAD> well..i was also learning [03:48] <TestMAD> so. [03:48] <TestMAD> i dunno [03:49] <TestMAD> i gotta do a frsh install anyways now.. [03:49] <apokryphos> Surely the better learning method is to attempt to fix the error, not ignore it and start again :) [03:49] <TestMAD> cus its totally screwed. [03:49] <TestMAD> yes and no. [03:49] <TestMAD> if you learn to do it right the first time..then you dont need to learn how to fix it [03:49] <apokryphos> You're not really going to gain anything, learning-wise by doing a fresh install [03:49] <apokryphos> precisely, but tha tevades the problem, it doesn't tackle it [03:50] <TestMAD> all i know is that kde didnt upgrade right.. [03:50] <TestMAD> and grub has 2 of everything listed [03:50] <apokryphos> how so? What's the problem? [03:51] <TestMAD> dunno..im in xp now..i gave up for now. its late and i dont really feel like messing with it.maybe tomorrow morning i will takle it [03:51] <TestMAD> cus i can fix the kde issue [03:51] <TestMAD> just try to do the upgrade again [03:52] <TestMAD> and ass far as grub.. [03:52] <TestMAD> just read the docs on it so i can fix the menu [04:04] <Master-Yoda> ls [04:04] <Master-Yoda> hey [04:05] <Master-Yoda> why wont kubuntu reconize my usb portable drive [04:05] <crimsun> is scsi_mod loaded? [04:05] <Master-Yoda> how do i load. [04:05] <crimsun> check if it's loaded first. [04:05] <crimsun> lsmod|grep ^scsi_mod [04:06] <Master-Yoda> yes [04:06] <Master-Yoda> and sd_mod and usb_storage [04:06] <Master-Yoda> we tried to diffrent ones [04:06] <crimsun> what does dmesg tell you about thdevice? [04:07] <Master-Yoda> memorax or scandisk [04:07] <Master-Yoda> write protection off [04:07] <Master-Yoda> wating for device to settle [04:09] <Master-Yoda> anyone [04:09] <Master-Yoda> night [04:10] <delltony> patience gets you everywhere in life some folks never seem to learn that :( [04:18] <troy> how was the kubuntu install disk created? I'd like to derive from it,but with kernel 2.6.11 -- I need it for SATA support on my chipset... [04:18] <dooglio> for example, "different ones, we tried" [04:18] <dooglio> and "off is the write protection" [04:19] <dooglio> "for the device to settle we wait" [04:24] <spermie_411> how would i install this file : ? superkaramba-0.37-RC1.tar.gz [04:27] <apokryphos> spermie_411: untar then compile form source; view the INSTALL file for info on that [04:27] <delltony> spermie_411, tar xvzf super.... whatever then if it has inside of it a configure file then ./configure [04:27] <delltony> then make [04:27] <delltony> checkinstall [04:31] <spermie_411> delltony did you ever figure out how to rip xvid? [04:42] <delltony> spermie_411, yeah installed transcode/ripmake and wrote a php script to do it in real time [04:52] <spermie_411> delltony? [04:52] <spermie_411> can u go in to #flood for a sec? [05:27] <ricosuave17> has anyone ever used guinstaller? [05:40] <esac_> hi, i have a wireless card. I have it set to DHCP. it doesn't seem to grab an ip address though (and no dns). if i set it up for static ip, it works. however the odd part is that when i have kcontrol open and on the network settings, it CAN grab an address and nameservers via DHCP .. any ideas ? [05:42] <cs378> i need help with openGL in KInfoCenter [05:42] <cs378> once i click on OpenGl, i get the crash thing [05:42] <cs378> how do i fix that [05:42] <cs378> i just instlled fglrx [05:42] <cs378> i did, fglrxinfo, n it showed fine [05:59] <Jeezis> umm, is there any reason why kinfocenter is showing mycpu mhz as 530.048 when it is a 1.79 ghz chip? [06:00] <Jeezis> should i even be worried? [06:01] <pax> what does cat /proc/cpuinfo say? [06:05] <cs378> hi ppl, i just did apt-get install tuxkart -- how do i get to run this game? help plz wanna test my 3d acc on ati [06:05] <Jeezis> same thing [06:05] <Jeezis> but it's listed as an i686 processor [06:05] <pax> Jeezis: AMD chip? [06:05] <Jeezis> yup [06:06] <Jeezis> athlon xp-m [06:06] <pax> lpptop? [06:06] <Jeezis> indeed [06:06] <pax> 'proly just too hot [06:06] <Jeezis> hp ze4420us to be exact :-p [06:07] <Jeezis> 51c is what acpi -t is giving me [06:07] <Jeezis> but it has been known to be wrong [06:07] <pax> gotta more than that man, those suckers get really hot in a small closed space with not enough air flow [06:07] <verden01> hey [06:09] <pax> you just need to place it in the fridge when not in use :p [06:13] <tech> hey, i have problems getting kubuntu to display foreign characters properly in some applications. [06:13] <tech> in my previous distro this worked fine with exactly the same settings [06:15] <pax> cs378: I'm playing that game :p can't run it from console? [06:15] <TestMAD> what game? [06:16] <pax> tuxkart [06:16] <TestMAD> i never got tuxkart to work [06:16] <kakalto> tuxkart... [06:17] <pax> it's awesome, played better with icecream [06:18] <kakalto> I prefer SuperTux [06:18] <TestMAD> nah..pingus [06:18] <Jeezis> those are both good [06:19] <TestMAD> neverball rocks [06:19] <Jeezis> frozen bubble is good too [06:19] <TestMAD> yea [06:19] <Jeezis> and blob wars [06:20] <Jeezis> hell, i threw kubuntu on my laptop solo and the only thing i thought i'd miss were games, but there are more than enough linux games out there to keep me occupied [06:21] <pax> ugh finished 4th :( [06:21] <tech> how do i configure ubuntu again? i want to change the charset. [06:21] <TestMAD> theres lots of them. [06:21] <TestMAD> where do you go to find them? [06:21] <TestMAD> i goto linuxtome [06:23] <Jeezis> happypenguin.org [06:23] <Jeezis> that has every single open source/ported/anything game [06:23] <Jeezis> plus good descriptions and usually very honest reviews [06:24] <Jeezis> think tuxcart would run decent if i'm averaging about 310fps on glxgears? [06:27] <TestMAD> i run bout 350 [06:27] <bjv> ive run the nvidia installer and built the driver module. it works, but i dont know how to get it to load on boot. [06:28] <bjv> how do you do that in kubuntu 5.04? [06:28] <TestMAD> it should be automatic [06:28] <TestMAD> but i think you have to remove the glx driver tho [06:28] <TestMAD> nt sure [06:28] <bjv> after finishing the compile/install and starting X it works [06:29] <bjv> glxgears, ogl acceleration in games, whole 9 yards. [06:29] <bjv> but after reboot. nothing, just segmentation errors when running glxgears. [06:29] <TestMAD> ive never been able to compile the drivers [06:29] <bjv> mm [06:29] <TestMAD> i just use the ubuntu ones [06:30] <TestMAD> there's lots of stuff about the nvidia ones in the forums [06:30] <TestMAD> did you check there? [06:30] <bjv> i was talking to some of the guys in #nvidia [06:31] <TestMAD> i dunno..wish i could help more.. [06:31] <TestMAD> im actually gonna try the nvidia drivers again tomorrow [06:32] <TestMAD> cant wait for nvidia to incorporate sli into them [06:32] <TestMAD> that will be awesome [06:33] <TestMAD> transparency in kde will be super smooth and still not hurt gaming that much [06:33] <bjv> you couldnt compile them? [06:33] <TestMAD> nah [06:34] <bjv> it was pretty easy on 5.04, i just 'uname -r'ed up my kernel version [06:34] <TestMAD> i dont understand that [06:34] <TestMAD> i was trying the way that the installer was telling me to do it.. [06:35] <Jeezis> TestMAD: bah! who follows instructions ;) [06:35] <TestMAD> hehe [06:35] <TestMAD> me..if i want stuff to werk right [06:45] <goldfish> can u re-generate the kde menu w/out restarting kde ? [06:46] <bjv> does kappfinder do what you want? [06:48] <goldfish> hmmm [06:48] <goldfish> not sure, well if i install omething via apt-get, can u get it onto the menu w/out restarting kde? [06:48] <goldfish> *something [06:48] <bjv> run kappfinder [06:49] <goldfish> kk [06:49] <goldfish> thanks [06:50] <tech> what would you say would be the main differences beetween kubuntu and debian? [06:51] <goldfish> lots of things i would imagine [06:52] <goldfish> i think they take a snapshot of debian unstable , and build it from that [06:53] <tech> yeah but could you explain any practical differences? [06:56] <goldfish> i cant im afraid [06:56] <goldfish> its more user friendly suppose [06:56] <goldfish> and is updated more frequent [06:56] <TestMAD> lots more friendly ppl [06:57] <goldfish> yep [06:57] <tech> why cant ubuntu/kubuntu simply give me a option whetever to use kde or gnome, and all the others, instead of having two seperate distros?? [06:58] <goldfish> well if u install ubuntu [06:58] <goldfish> u can apt-get kubuntu-dektop [06:58] <goldfish> *desktop [06:58] <goldfish> and choose at login [06:58] <goldfish> i dunno why they did 2 distros [06:58] <TestMAD> can you do that with fluxbox? [06:58] <goldfish> gnome sucks though [06:58] <goldfish> TestMAD: yes. [06:59] <goldfish> and xfce [06:59] <goldfish> and enlightenment [06:59] <TestMAD> prolly cus it uses a different type of login that kubuntu does..i dunno [06:59] <goldfish> yeah [06:59] <TestMAD> can you do tha same with kubuntu? [06:59] <goldfish> it uses gdm i think [06:59] <goldfish> sure [06:59] <TestMAD> how? [06:59] <goldfish> just install the login manager ubuntu uses [06:59] <goldfish> i'd assume [07:00] <TestMAD> ah [07:00] <TestMAD> ok [07:00] <goldfish> well, graphical login manager i should say :) [07:05] <xt4mhz> Hi...need some help with Americas Army...I think found a bug :S [07:09] <Velcan> clear [07:09] <xt4mhz> Velcan... [07:09] <xt4mhz> are you there? [07:10] <Velcan> yes sorry about that ... intended to do /clear ... [07:10] <xt4mhz> no problem...my friend I have an issue with Americas Army..do you know it? [07:10] <Velcan> I don't [07:10] <Velcan> Only game I play is WoW ... =D [07:11] <xt4mhz> oh...sorry :(....Do you like to play?... [07:11] <xt4mhz> Oh!...perfect...I just need to set a game here...its a challenge :D [07:11] <xt4mhz> WoW is? [07:11] <Velcan> ? [07:12] <Velcan> WoW is what? [07:12] <elad_> I can't go directly on IRC, I have to "host <severname>" and use the IP address. Help? [07:12] <xt4mhz> yes...what does it mean? [07:12] <esac_> world of warcraft .. EVERYBODY knows that :) [07:12] <Velcan> oh :P World of Warcraft [07:13] <Velcan> :) [07:13] <xt4mhz> sorry...Iam old :D [07:13] <Velcan> hehe [07:13] <xt4mhz> where can I get it? [07:13] <elad_> Also: How do I change my machine's hostname? [07:13] <esac_> WoW ? buy it .. only way [07:13] <xt4mhz> elad_ do you read spanish? [07:13] <Velcan> yea. it's a commercial game ... Blizzard.com [07:14] <Dorfl> xt4mhz, unfortunately no. [07:14] <xt4mhz> What 3d game do you recommend? [07:14] <Dorfl> Hitman 1&2, but definitely not Contracts. [07:14] <goldfish> Dorfl: edit /etc/hostname [07:14] <esac_> elad_$ sudo hostname -v <hostname> [07:14] <xt4mhz> Oh...I have a good webpage where you can find how to change hostname. [07:15] <xt4mhz> Does Hitman run in Linux? [07:15] <Dorfl> No idea. [07:15] <Dorfl> goldfish, how do I make the change come into effect now? [07:16] <Velcan> Good 3d games that run natively in linux that i know of whould be any of the unreal tournaments .... or anything by id [07:16] <xt4mhz> I am looking for a 3d game that runs in Linux kubuntu. [07:16] <Velcan> for games that are partial to windoze :( look into cedega ... www.transgaming.com [07:16] <xt4mhz> Too bad enterprises dont see the benefits developing game sfor linux :S [07:16] <TestMAD> xt4mhz: http://www.happypenguin.org/ [07:17] <TestMAD> go there..lots of games [07:17] <Dorfl> Guys? [07:17] <xt4mhz> cool!..thanks!.. [07:17] <TestMAD> Dorfl: reboot [07:17] <cs378> u guys think i should install antivirus/. [07:17] <cs378> '? [07:18] <xt4mhz> ???? [07:18] <xt4mhz> linux?? [07:18] <Velcan> ... [07:19] <esac_> http://www.f-secure.com/products/anti-virus/linux/ [07:19] <Dorfl> Thanks. Now, what about my DNS problem? Why can't I go on this server (any sever) with "server irc.freenode.net" and have to "hostname irc.freenode.net" and then "/server <ip address>" instead? [07:20] <TestMAD> did you try /server irc.freenode.net 6667 ? [07:21] <Dorfl> Tried it now, to no avail. [07:21] <insanekane> someone should package the happypenguin games for kubuntu :) [07:21] <TestMAD> some are already there [07:21] <TestMAD> supertux.. [07:21] <TestMAD> pingus [07:21] <TestMAD> neverball [07:21] <insanekane> aha [07:22] <TestMAD> frozenbubble [07:22] <TestMAD> theres lots there [07:22] <TestMAD> glTron [07:22] <Dorfl> Also - I'm downloading a driver for my Radeon. Why isn't it on Kynaptic, and which should it be from ati.com then? The "ATI Driver Installer" or the "X.Org 6.8" download? I'm on Kubuntu 5.04. [07:22] <TestMAD> and the other one thats almost just like it [07:22] <insanekane> whats the full form of MMORPG ? [07:23] <xt4mhz> Dorfi...did you update you sources.list? [07:23] <TestMAD> massively multiplayer online role play game [07:23] <Dorfl> Dorfl [07:23] <Dorfl> Yes. [07:24] <insanekane> TestMAD: oh ok :) thx [07:24] <xt4mhz> is CEDEGA free? [07:24] <TestMAD> yes and [07:24] <TestMAD> no [07:24] <insanekane> probably not [07:25] <insanekane> i think its a wine derivative ? [07:25] <TestMAD> cedega is from winex [07:25] <insanekane> wine distribution ? [07:25] <TestMAD> and winex is free. [07:25] <goldfish> u can build your own version [07:25] <insanekane> TestMAD: its a pre-configured version of wine isnt it ? [07:25] <TestMAD> but..the thing with cedega is the point2play..you gotta pay for that.. [07:25] <TestMAD> i think it is pre configured [07:25] <Dorfl> Help? [07:26] <TestMAD> i got cedega around here somewhere...but i wont use it anyways [07:26] <insanekane> help on what ? [07:26] <TestMAD> ill just dual boot. [07:26] <goldfish> i just stopped playing games, didnt like cedega [07:26] <TestMAD> the games and apps i use dont like it anyways [07:26] <xt4mhz> i would like to try it..... [07:27] <TestMAD> google winex [07:27] <TestMAD> theres also wine [07:27] <goldfish> i have a .deb if u want of cedega [07:27] <xt4mhz> which one is better? [07:27] <TestMAD> i dont think thats legal [07:27] <xt4mhz> cool!....deb is good for me... [07:27] <goldfish> hmm, actually. [07:27] <goldfish> i never said that. [07:28] <xt4mhz> what is no legal? [07:28] <TestMAD> distributing cedega .deb [07:28] <TestMAD> only cvs can be distributed..i think [07:28] <goldfish> indeed [07:29] <xt4mhz> ok...how did you get it? [07:29] <insanekane> TestMAD: but what if someone makes a .deb from the cvs source ? [07:30] <goldfish> google [07:30] <TestMAD> i dunno.. [07:30] <TestMAD> i think it may be ok..ive never read the liscense for it [07:31] <xt4mhz> how much it weights? [07:31] <insanekane> xt4mhz: about a ton [07:31] <insanekane> xt4mhz: so you will have to pay big time for S&H [07:32] <Dorfl> How do I install ati-driver-installer-8.14.13.run? [07:32] <TestMAD> umm..cedega is a download i think.. [07:32] <TestMAD> and you gotta pay 5$ a month [07:32] <goldfish> Dorfl: run it [07:32] <goldfish> you pay for support [07:32] <Dorfl> How [07:32] <Dorfl> +? [07:32] <insanekane> Dorfl: open a Konsole, and run it by typing the name [07:32] <goldfish> Dorfl: chmod +x [07:32] <goldfish> then, sh ati.....bin [07:32] <Dorfl> -su: ati-driver-installer-8.14.13.run: command not found [07:33] <Dorfl> ah [07:33] <goldfish> eh [07:33] <Dorfl> chmod [07:33] <goldfish> yes. [07:33] <bjv> can i get a quick favor from an nvidia card user? [07:33] <bjv> what should /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc look like? [07:33] <insanekane> bjv: no :) [07:33] <bjv> ive got 1 line... [07:33] <xt4mhz> or "sh filename" [07:33] <bjv> i think there should be 2. [07:33] <goldfish> u dont just type the name [07:33] <insanekane> POKEY !! [07:33] <goldfish> u do ./blah or sh blah [07:34] <goldfish> bjv: alias char-major-195* nvidia [07:34] <goldfish> is what i have [07:34] <bjv> :( [07:34] <bjv> k [07:34] <bjv> thx [07:35] <goldfish> np [07:35] <xt4mhz> GL installing a video driver :D [07:35] <Dorfl> [Message] Kernel Module : Trying to install a precompiled kernel module. [07:35] <Dorfl> [Message] Kernel Module : Precompiled kernel module version mismatched. [07:35] <Dorfl> [Error] Kernel Module : No kernel module build environment - please consult readme. [07:36] <xt4mhz> install sources of your kernel. [07:36] <Dorfl> ? [07:36] <TestMAD> prolly headers too [07:37] <goldfish> is there a binary driver install howto on the wiki? [07:37] <goldfish> ? binary [07:37] <TestMAD> for the ubuntu drivers? [07:37] <goldfish> hmm [07:37] <TestMAD> for those: [07:37] <goldfish> for his ati thingies [07:37] <TestMAD> oh.. [07:37] <TestMAD> !ati [07:37] <ubotu> somebody said ati was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto [07:38] <TestMAD> there you go [07:38] <goldfish> Dorfl: take a look at that [07:38] <goldfish> TestMAD: ty [07:38] <Dorfl> k [07:38] <TestMAD> np [07:38] <TestMAD> if any nvidia ppl want the nvidia ones.. [07:38] <TestMAD> !nvidia [07:38] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto [07:38] <xt4mhz> make backup of xorg. [07:39] <TestMAD> im kinda helpfull for only being exposed to linux for 2 weeks [07:39] <TestMAD> hehehe [07:40] <goldfish> cool [07:40] <TestMAD> OUCH! [07:40] <goldfish> kubuntu first distro? [07:40] <insanekane> ;) [07:40] <TestMAD> dont do that.. [07:40] <TestMAD> no [07:40] <TestMAD> DSL was firsst [07:40] <xt4mhz> damn my Amercias Army freezes in Obstacle Course level :S:..no idea whats going on. [07:40] <TestMAD> but didnt really get into it that much [07:40] <Dorfl> Crap, I think the Israeli ubuntu mirror is down. [07:40] <goldfish> ah right [07:41] <insanekane> DSL ? [07:41] <TestMAD> i just couldnt find my win95 cd for an old laptop [07:41] <TestMAD> damn small linux [07:41] <insanekane> ah [07:41] <goldfish> can run in ram! [07:41] <TestMAD> no.. [07:41] <TestMAD> just had a 3GB harddrive [07:42] <TestMAD> and it was a p133 [07:42] <TestMAD> with 128MB ram [07:42] <TestMAD> OLD paperweight [07:42] <TestMAD> 98 was just a little too slow on it. [07:43] <TestMAD> but DSL is a livecd [07:43] <TestMAD> so my whole HD could be used for whatever [07:43] <TestMAD> it was mainly used as an mp3 player in my car [07:43] <goldfish> indeed. [07:43] <goldfish> livecd's are handy [07:43] <TestMAD> yea.. [07:43] <goldfish> i need to get a usb stick drive to stick a custom live cd on it [07:43] <TestMAD> i wanna get a little thumbdrive [07:43] <goldfish> would be handy [07:43] <Dorfl> root@dorfldorfldorfl:/home/elad # apt-get install fglrx-driver [07:43] <Dorfl> Reading package lists... Done [07:43] <Dorfl> Building dependency tree... Done [07:43] <Dorfl> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Pac kages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i [07:43] <TestMAD> and put linux on it [07:43] <goldfish> indeed [07:44] <Dorfl> and so on [07:44] <Dorfl> What's wrong? [07:44] <TestMAD> paste it at pastebin.com and give us the link [07:45] <Dorfl> http://pastebin.com/323277 [07:47] <TestMAD> ok..did you try update? [07:47] <TestMAD> and it seems to me that the source.list may have wrong names..not sure..im in xp right now..so i cant look [07:48] <TestMAD> Dorfl: [07:48] <TestMAD> this is y [07:48] <TestMAD> you trying to use the wrong drivers [07:48] <TestMAD> your trying to use the warty fdrivers [07:48] <TestMAD> you need to use the hoary drivers [07:48] <TestMAD> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx [07:49] <TestMAD> if you look at the pade from that link..scrol down a bit..and it has directions for hoary [07:49] <Dorfl> Tried that too, similar error. [07:49] <TestMAD> try that one and paste what it says...pls [07:51] <Dorfl> http://pastebin.com/323281 [07:51] <TestMAD> ok..now paste your sources.list [07:52] <Dorfl> http://pastebin.com/323282 [07:53] <TestMAD> ok..on line 5,6,10, and 11...remove the us. [07:53] <TestMAD> just incase the us servers are still messed up [07:53] <TestMAD> example: line 10 deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted [07:54] <TestMAD> ok..now.. [07:54] <TestMAD> on lines.. [07:54] <Dorfl> I changed back to il, doesn't help. [07:54] <TestMAD> dont change it back [07:54] <TestMAD> just dont put a il. or us. [07:54] <Dorfl> Why the hell is the swap file still there? [07:55] <TestMAD> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted [07:55] <TestMAD> like that [07:55] <TestMAD> on lines 20,21,23,24,26, and 27...remove the # and us. from those lines [07:56] <Dorfl> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems [07:56] <Dorfl> E: Couldn't find package xorg-driver-fglrx [07:56] <Dorfl> root@dorfldorfldorfl:/home/elad # apt-get update [07:56] <Dorfl> 57% [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com (1.0.0.0)] [07:56] <Dorfl> root@dorfldorfldorfl:/home/elad # [07:56] <TestMAD> after that ..ppastebin your sources.list for me again [07:56] <TestMAD> ..doode..slow down.. [07:56] <TestMAD> yer getting ahead of me [07:56] <TestMAD> on lines 20,21,23,24,26, and 27...remove the # and us. from those lines [07:57] <Dorfl> http://pastebin.com/323287 [07:57] <Dorfl> thanks , btw [07:57] <goldfish> thats not the correct package name [07:57] <TestMAD> deb http://il.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe [07:57] <TestMAD> deb-src http://il.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe [07:57] <TestMAD> take out the il. [07:58] <TestMAD> just deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe [07:58] <TestMAD> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe [07:58] <thoreauputic> Dorfl: since when is archive.ubuntu.com 1.0.0.0 heh ? [07:58] <_drac> Hey everyone, Is there any reason I shouldn't compile the newest KDE SVN from source? [07:58] <Dorfl> done [07:58] <TestMAD> then.. [07:58] <Dorfl> thoreauputic, ? [07:58] <goldfish> thoreauputic: :) [07:58] <TestMAD> sudo apt-get update [07:58] <TestMAD> then try installign the right ati drivers again [07:58] <thoreauputic> 57% [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com (1.0.0.0) [07:58] <Dorfl> It went for a while, then got stuck on 50% [07:59] <TestMAD> what got stuck? [07:59] <TestMAD> the update? [07:59] <Dorfl> The update [07:59] <TestMAD> heh..one of those updates will take a bit [07:59] <goldfish> look at the ip as thoreauputic pointed out [07:59] <Dorfl> No, it just got stuck. [07:59] <goldfish> it's 1.0.0.0 [07:59] <TestMAD> hmm. [07:59] <Dorfl> I have no idea what thoreauputic said. [07:59] <TestMAD> hold on..lemme retype you a sources.list [08:00] <thoreauputic> ~$ host archive.ubuntu.com [08:00] <thoreauputic> archive.ubuntu.com has address 82.211.81.151 [08:00] <thoreauputic> archive.ubuntu.com has address 82.211.81.138 [08:00] <goldfish> it's trying to connect to 1.0.0.0 which is not archive.ubuntu.com [08:00] <insanekane> _drac: no reason whatsoever ... go ahead ... but, if you use the Kubuntu packages, then you can file bug reports for breezy [08:00] <Dorfl> This very sources.list file has worked earlier today. [08:01] <TestMAD> http://pastebin.com/323288 [08:01] <thoreauputic> Dorfl: hello, hello,..... your system is trying to connect to the wrong IP address [08:01] <TestMAD> just copy and paste that [08:01] <_drac> insanekane: there Kubuntu Packages of KDE SVN? [08:02] <Dorfl> thoreauputic, the right one being? [08:02] <thoreauputic> Dorfl: see the output of the host command above [08:03] <insanekane> _drac: no ... but i do think that the KDE in breezy is the absolute latest in any distro ... you would have to ask Riddell to be sure though [08:03] <Dorfl> thoreauputic, what do I do then? [08:03] <TestMAD> hmm. [08:03] <Dorfl> I also had to "host <ircserver>" and use the IP to connect. What's the problem with my machine? [08:04] <insanekane> ok compiling ... so gotta go ... cya all later [08:04] <thoreauputic> Dorfl: is your dns OK? can you surf to say http://google.com ? [08:04] <Dorfl> I can get to google.com just fine. [08:04] <thoreauputic> Dorfl: your /etc/resolv.conf is probably empty or wrong [08:04] <_drac> insanekane: Ahh alright, Ill just compile from source, wnat all the pretty new features :) [08:04] <_drac> How do I set my mic to be input device? [08:04] <_drac> Using ALSA [08:04] <thoreauputic> you can? are you sure it isn't cached? [08:05] <thoreauputic> Dorfl: can you get a response to " ping google.com" in a terminal? [08:05] <Dorfl> I can't fucking copy/paste the list you gave me on pastebin, what's wrong with this machine? [08:05] <Dorfl> thoreauputic, yes [08:06] <thoreauputic> weird - I don't know how you get 1.0.0.0 for archive.ubuntu.com then [08:06] <Dorfl> This is fucking nuts, I'm copying that entire list by hand because the thing WON'T COPY. [08:07] <TestMAD> Dorfl: did you get that PM with a sources.list in it? [08:08] <goldfish> changing his sources.list wonot change the problem [08:08] <goldfish> *wont [08:08] <thoreauputic> Dorfl: sounds like your system is Not Well... [08:08] <TestMAD> well..would dhclient be able to tell anything? [08:09] <goldfish> well his system is resolving archive.ubuntu as 1.0.0.0 [08:09] <goldfish> so i wouldnt say so [08:09] <Dorfl> TestMAD, got no PM, but I got the link. I was copying it by hand when I figured it was a Klipper issue. [08:09] <Dorfl> OK, copied. [08:09] <Dorfl> Now: [08:09] <goldfish> man, amarok is amazing. [08:09] <Dorfl> Stuck at 50% again. [08:10] <TestMAD> heh. [08:10] <Dorfl> ...wtf? [08:10] <goldfish> Dorfl: in a terminal run... [08:10] <goldfish> host archive.ubuntu.com [08:10] <Dorfl> root@dorfldorfldorfl:/home/elad/firefox-installer # host archive.ubuntu.com [08:10] <Dorfl> archive.ubuntu.com has address 82.211.81.138 [08:10] <Dorfl> archive.ubuntu.com has address 82.211.81.151 [08:10] <Dorfl> root@dorfldorfldorfl:/home/elad/firefox-installer # [08:11] <goldfish> hmmmm [08:11] <Dorfl> OK, I see where you're heading. But how do I fix this problem's _source_? What's wrong with my DNS thingie? [08:11] <goldfish> not sure [08:11] <TestMAD> i wonder [08:11] <TestMAD> !dns [08:11] <ubotu> TestMAD: I haven't a clue [08:11] <TestMAD> n/m [08:12] <goldfish> his dns seems ok [08:12] <goldfish> except for the apt-get obviously [08:13] <TestMAD> ohhh. [08:14] <TestMAD> Dorfl: after you changed the sources.list..did you apt-get update? [08:14] <Dorfl> Yes. [08:15] <_drac> Wiiiiiiiiierd, set my mic device to /dev/adsp on teamspeak (which it is, cat'ed it) and it mutes everything up [08:15] <_drac> :S [08:16] <Dorfl> I switched some of the addresses for said IP address, and now it's stuck on 44% instead. [08:16] <Dorfl> How wonderful. [08:16] <Dorfl> Hold on, rebooting router. [08:17] <TestMAD> Dorfl? [08:17] <TestMAD> do you have a firewall installed? [08:17] <TestMAD> firewall proggie? [08:18] <elad_> update working now [08:18] <elad_> I must have changed something in there and forgot about it. Luckily, I didn't save the changes, so I didn't have to reset the router all the way to its default settings. [08:19] <TestMAD> ok [08:19] <TestMAD> i was just finding that it was a router problem [08:39] <_drac> Ok, im trying to compile KDE SVN [08:39] <_drac> And its saying I dont have GCC, cc, cl, or any suitable C compiler in $PATH [08:39] <goldfish> u got build-essentials ? [08:40] <_drac> Ahh I dont [08:40] <_drac> figured ti included it [08:40] <_drac> thanks [08:40] <goldfish> np [08:40] <_drac> Working now :) [08:41] <_drac> Now it cant find X lol [08:41] <_drac> x includes to be exact [08:42] <uniq> xlibs-dev [08:42] <_drac> Ahh ok [08:42] <_drac> used to Slackware, included all this stuff =) [08:48] <nikkia> morning uniq [08:49] <TestMAD> morning?? [08:49] <TestMAD> hehe [08:49] <TestMAD> i hope not [08:49] <nikkia> testmad, eh? [08:50] <TestMAD> bout 3am here [08:50] <nikkia> 07:44 here [08:50] <nikkia> erm, 07:50 [08:50] <nikkia> must remember irc computer has slow clock :P [08:51] <TestMAD> he. [08:51] <TestMAD> yea.. [08:51] <TestMAD> well..im out.nite all [08:51] <_drac> mornin nikkia, 00:51 here :) [09:04] <_drac> compiling KDE from source, SVN, says it needs Autoconf 2.53 or newer, according to Kynaptic I have autoconf 2.59a-2 installed [09:04] <_drac> Any idea why its saying that./ [09:05] <nikkia> drac, it might actually *need* autoconf 2.53 [09:06] <nikkia> a lot of apps are very painful about autoconf versions, in my experience, you almost always end up with at least 4 or 5 different versions [09:06] <_drac> Humm ok [09:06] <_drac> will have to compile it then [09:06] <_drac> thanks [09:06] <nikkia> same with automake [09:07] <_drac> Ahh, just googled it, says its a bug in the makefile, doesnt detect the newer versions [09:07] <_drac> guess I will need it =) hehe [09:07] <nikkia> either that or hack the makefile [09:07] <_drac> Yea it was bitchin about automake to, had to install an old version [09:08] <_drac> But that was easier because it was on apt-get [09:10] <nikkia> drac, have you ever build kde from source before? [09:10] <_drac> Yes, on slackware [09:14] <_drac> It just worked though lol [09:17] <nikkia> gah! [09:17] <insanekane> silence ? [09:17] <insanekane> hmm [09:18] <nikkia> i've forgotten how to enable selection nudging in gimp again [09:18] <_drac> grr [09:18] <_drac> *** AUTOCONF NOT FOUND!. [09:18] <_drac> *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer [09:18] <_drac> autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.53 [09:18] <nikkia> oh, now i remember, its not a selection mode :/ [09:18] <insanekane> _drac: i think you need to export the environment variable .. [09:19] <insanekane> _drac: i believe NEED_AUTOCONF ? [09:19] <nikkia> wha? /me suddenly notices the 'new selection tool' at the bottom of the tools list [09:19] <insanekane> _drac: you can also change the symlink in /usr/bin ... from autoconf-whatever to autoconf-2.53 [09:20] <_drac> insanekane: Humm, so its NEED_AUTOCONF make -f makefile.cvs [09:20] <insanekane> _drac: LOL no .. [09:20] <insanekane> export NEED_AUTOCONF=2.53 ... i *think* [09:20] <_drac> insanekane: ahh [09:20] <nikkia> OMG< GIMP IS TEH ROXX0R :P [09:20] <insanekane> _drac: let me check [09:21] <_drac> insanekane: ok thanks [09:21] <_drac> brb [09:22] <_drac> back [09:22] <nikkia> insanekane: or 'NEED_AUTOCONF=2.53 make -f makefile.cvs' [09:23] <nikkia> insanekane: the 'specify an env for a command' syntax is incredibly useful [09:23] <insanekane> _drac: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [09:23] <_drac> nikkia: thanks insanekane: thanks [09:24] <_drac> trying [09:24] <insanekane> nikkia: maybe you should redirect to the person who really needs it ? [09:24] <nikkia> insanekane: i was commenting on your export command, by the time i said it, drac was on his way with the other anyway [09:24] <insanekane> nikkia: but i do have a problem: ../admin/depcomp: line 60: -MT: command not found [09:24] <insanekane> nikkia: how do i fix that ? [09:24] <_drac> nope [09:24] <_drac> same thing [09:24] <nikkia> insanekane: no idea, don't have enough context :P [09:25] <_drac> 'NEED_AUTOCONF=2.53 make -f Makefile.cvs' [09:25] <_drac> bash: NEED_AUTOCONF=2.53 make -f Makefile.cvs: command not found [09:25] <_drac> root@ubuntu:/home/drac/kdelibs # NEED_AUTOCONF=2.53 make -f Makefile.cvs [09:25] <_drac> This Makefile is only for the SVN repository [09:25] <insanekane> _drac: then do what I did, make a new symlink /usr/bin/autoconf -> /usr/bin/autoconf-2.53 [09:25] <_drac> insanekane: ok, thanks [09:25] <nikkia> insanekane: if i had to guess, and i do, i'd say that the makefile has something like $(CC) -MT ..... and it isn't getting a value for the $(CC) [09:26] <insanekane> nikkia: duh [09:26] <insanekane> nikkia: i just dont want to disable dep tracking ... [09:26] <insanekane> case "$depmode" in [09:26] <insanekane> gcc3) [09:26] <insanekane> ## gcc 3 implements dependency tracking that does exactly what [09:26] <insanekane> ## we want. Yay! Note: for some reason libtool 1.4 doesn't like [09:26] <insanekane> ## it if -MD -MP comes after the -MF stuff. Hmm. [09:26] <insanekane> "$@" -MT "$object" -MD -MP -MF "$tmpdepfile" [09:27] <insanekane> nikkia: those are the appropriate lines of admin/depcomp [09:27] <nikkia> insanekane: then you need to work out why $@ isn't getting set to 'gcc' :) [09:27] <insanekane> hmm [09:27] <insanekane> maybe i have to make clean; make all over again :/ [09:28] <nikkia> it might be supposed to be 'libtool' actually, reading that description, but i don't think so [09:28] <nikkia> or perhaps even 'libtool --mode=compile' or some such guff :) [09:28] <insanekane> guff ? [09:29] <nikkia> guff (n): unacceptable behaviour (especially ludicrously false statements) [09:29] <insanekane> ok thanks [09:30] <insanekane> this error can be avoided if i ./configure with --disable-dependency-tracking ... and in that case, building becomes hell [09:30] <nikkia> insanekane: building KDE without dep tracking is far faster, and how i did it :) [09:31] <nikkia> but i'm not building from svn [09:31] <nikkia> or 'wasn't' rather [09:31] <insanekane> im not building KDE [09:31] <nikkia> oh [09:31] <insanekane> and im developing [09:31] <nikkia> thought thats what everyone was doing :) [09:31] <insanekane> so i need dep tracking [09:32] <insanekane> its not that [09:32] <insanekane> im sure everyone is doing that [09:32] <nikkia> email from my boss at 7:30 [09:32] <_drac> Interesting [09:32] <_drac> It wasent working, so I uninstalled all the older one [09:32] <insanekane> _drac: hehe :) [09:32] <_drac> ones* and new ones, I have autoconf-2.53 in /usr/bin but it doesnt do anything (filename is read) [09:32] <_drac> Red, even [09:33] <insanekane> _drac: did you make a symlink /usr/bin/autoconf -> /usr/bin/autoconf-2.53 ? [09:33] <_drac> yes [09:33] <_drac> I tried [09:33] <nikkia> drac, isn't that a dangling symlink ? [09:34] <_drac> I removed the ln after uninstalling the older ones? [09:34] <_drac> Oh, red is yes [09:34] <insanekane> _drac: if the symlink isnt there, then autoconf will not be found/used afaik [09:35] <_drac> the symlink is there [09:35] <_drac> Well, it is now [09:35] <_drac> Im trying something else just a second [09:36] <nikkia> insanekane: btw, re: 'guff', its basically a polite way of saying B.S [09:36] <_drac> nm [09:36] <_drac> no working [09:37] <_drac> not working, damn I suck at typing tonighty [09:37] <_drac> TONIGHT* :) [09:37] <nikkia> OMG [09:37] <insanekane> nikkia: oh right ... i would've used the more ambiguous 'stuff' .. but now i know a new word [09:37] <nikkia> my blank CDs and DVDs are stalled in delivery 'security check' [09:37] <nikkia> this terrorism nonsense is getting out of hand [09:38] <insanekane> nikkia: yeah .. same like my AM transciever modules [09:38] <nikkia> insanekane: electronics i can understand, it COULD look like a bomb trigger on x-ray [09:38] <nikkia> but blank discs? [09:39] <_drac> Whhhhhhhhhhhhy wont this work lol [09:39] <insanekane> in my city, one is not allowed to get petrol in a bottle. last night, i pushed by motorbike about 3 km. damn terrorism rules :/ [09:39] <nikkia> insanekane: how about in a proper petrol can ? [09:40] <_drac> Petrol, you two are british? [09:40] <insanekane> nikkia: basically, you are not allowed to carry petrol in anything else other than a vehicle's petrol tank. the rule is really idiotic. [09:40] <insanekane> _drac: im from Kerala, India [09:40] <nikkia> insanekane: sounds stupid :/ [09:41] <_drac> Ahh, its GAS or GASOLINE, sorry petrol drives me nuts [09:41] <_drac> :) [09:41] <nikkia> insanekane: i bet the breakdown people love it tho [09:41] <nikkia> drac, no, its petrol [09:41] <insanekane> nikkia: indeed [09:41] <nikkia> drac, the raw material is, after all, petroleum [09:41] <nikkia> drac, and if you look carefully, you'll notice its a liquid :P [09:41] <_drac> lol yea thats true [09:42] <nikkia> calling it 'gas' is almost as ludicrous as called water 'solid' :) [09:43] <_drac> -smashed head into desk- why the hell doesnt autoconf work! [09:43] <_drac> :) [09:43] <nikkia> drac, iirc, the US called it 'petroleum distilate' too for a while in the early days, dunno why they switched to gasoline [09:44] <_drac> I live in canada :) [09:44] <insanekane> im sure i can come up with a dozen reasons for that :P [09:44] <insanekane> nikkia: breakdown people? [09:44] <nikkia> insanekane: i'm leaning towards 'some numbnut trademarked petroleum' :P [09:44] <_drac> Humm, wonky, my non symlink autoconf version is 2.53, but autoconf-2.53 --version returns 2.59 [09:44] <nikkia> insanekane: yeah, someone runs out of petrol, they can't 'walk to the garage' and get petrol, so they HAVE to call a breakdown service and get them to come out, at exhorbitant prices [09:45] <insanekane> nikkia: oh right .. nothing like that here [09:45] <nikkia> insanekane: so what do you do if you break down/run out of petrol? walk home and buy a new car ?? [09:46] <insanekane> i saw this conversation in a dream last week ... deja vu [09:46] <insanekane> no, i just get more petrol [09:47] <nikkia> insanekane: but you said you can't get it in a bottle/can now... [09:47] <insanekane> yes you cant [09:47] <insanekane> so you have to tow the vehicle [09:47] <nikkia> right, which involves paying some breakdown service, surely [09:47] <_drac> AHHHHHHHHHHHHH make install on autoconf 2.53 must be putting it somewhere else, because it sure as hell isnt in /usr/bin [09:47] <_drac> grr [09:47] <insanekane> in my case, since it was motorbike, pushing it was enough (it is a light bike) [09:48] <nikkia> drac, /usr/local/bin [09:48] <_drac> uip [09:48] <_drac> yup [09:48] <nikkia> drac, all stuff goes there by default unless you use --prefix=/usr [09:48] <insanekane> nikkia: well, a friend who has a car and some strong rope, ought to do it :) [09:48] <_drac> ahh [09:50] <_drac> Of course it still doesnt work [09:51] <_drac> How many links can any one file have? [09:52] <insanekane> _drac: unlimited ? [09:52] <_drac> Humm, why does it say to many levels of symbolic link? [09:52] <_drac> linking autoconf from /usr/local/bin to /usr/bin [10:03] <_drac> according to #KDE trunked just branched [10:03] <_drac> And trunk is a very bad place to be. [10:04] <_drac> Becuase, its all from the 1-year-away kde 4 [10:08] <buz> is there anything working from kde4 already? [10:08] <buz> their plans sure look tasty [10:08] <insanekane> as all plans are :) [10:08] <buz> nah [10:08] <insanekane> i think more important than KDE plans, are Kubuntu plans [10:09] <buz> longhorn looked silly from begin with [10:09] <buz> as long as i get regular updates i'm content with kubuntu [10:09] <insanekane> ie, Kubuntu plans for KDE 4 [10:09] <buz> Xen integration would rock [10:09] <buz> aside of that, i'm fine [10:09] <insanekane> hmm, actually longhorn pretty much looked copied-from-other-places to me [10:09] <buz> it's ms what do you expect? something original??? [10:09] <insanekane> why Xen ? [10:10] <insanekane> buz: why not ? [10:10] <buz> ms hardly ever does anything original [10:10] <buz> i can't really remember what they did [10:10] <buz> basic perhaps [10:10] <buz> back in the mid 70s [10:10] <buz> not sure if it even was their child [10:10] <insanekane> basic was made by someone else [10:10] <buz> then frankly, i cant think of anything original [10:11] <_drac> That big giant green rendered start button. [10:11] <insanekane> i think their biggest contribution was the commoditization of the OS [10:11] <buz> their business model maybe [10:11] <buz> but technologically, they always copied [10:11] <buz> and for the most part, pretty badly [10:12] <insanekane> Xen was in large part funded by MS Research iirc [10:12] <buz> parts of it i think [10:12] <buz> it technically isnt a ms project though [10:12] <buz> (ms doesnt even allow a XP version that runs on xen, go figure) [10:12] <insanekane> ok [10:12] <pax> oh be fair now, they created the most attractive viruses ever [10:13] <insanekane> im sure they do original stuff ... maybe just not very publically [10:13] <insanekane> publicly [10:13] <buz> if they do, few of it ends up in products [10:13] <buz> i mean sure they do research [10:13] <insanekane> buz: or maybe all of them do and we just dont know it yet ? [10:13] <insanekane> buz: how about Cleartype ? [10:13] <insanekane> buz: how about OpenType ? [10:14] <buz> i think both were working on OSX before [10:14] <buz> general concept anyhow [10:14] <insanekane> eh ? [10:14] <buz> isnt cleartype subpixel hinting? [10:14] <insanekane> perhaps [10:14] <insanekane> yes [10:14] <buz> i doubt that really was groundbreaking when it came with XP [10:15] <buz> i remember that OSX 10.0 fonts looked gorgeous back then already [10:16] <buz> now to be fair, ms probably pushes the 3d industry [10:16] <buz> directx specifies more new stuff than opengl [10:16] <buz> anyway, i should be learning [10:17] <nikkia> buz, iirc, no, OS X had sub-pixel hinting after XP [10:19] <buz> The origins of subpixel rendering [10:19] <buz> While this type of rendering first became mainstream with the introduction of TFT displays, it was invented and first used by Apple II programmers in the late 1970s to increase the vertical resolution of the displays of that time. [10:19] <buz> mhh not really novel then [10:20] <nikkia> no, it wasn't novel [10:20] <nikkia> X had it around 99/2000 iirc [10:20] <nikkia> it took what seemed like forever before Gtk and Qt adopted it though :) [10:21] <buz> how do i figure out how my pixels are arranged anyhow [10:21] <insanekane> buz: System->Settings->Appearance->Fonts->Advanced [10:21] <buz> i know how to set it [10:22] <insanekane> oh right .. hehehe :) [10:22] <buz> but in order to set it, i would have to know what to set it to [10:22] <insanekane> sorry [10:22] <nikkia> buz, a magnifying glass ? :P [10:22] <insanekane> i guess you need to look closely at your screen ? ;) [10:22] <insanekane> hmm [10:47] <nikkia> hmm [10:47] <nikkia> wish i could get udev to create /dev/ symlinks properly :/ [10:52] <brent> hi linux newbie here. I could really use some help please. This concerns kppp and usr external faxmodem [10:52] <brent> im running kubuntu [10:54] <insanekane> brent: whats the priblem ? [10:54] <brent> if someone could help me i would much appreciate it, as im trying to learn linux so i can ditch windows altogether, but it seems like im just going in circles, lol [10:55] <brent> hi insane [10:55] <insanekane> hi [10:55] <paines> morning all [10:55] <insanekane> brent: you can call me kane ;) [10:55] <brent> well, i can dial up, but not using kppp [10:55] <insanekane> brent: hrmm ... why not ? [10:55] <insanekane> brent: whats the error ? [10:56] <brent> ok thanks kane. ppp daemon died unexpectedly"it disconnects and gives me the message " [10:56] <brent> oops [10:56] <brent> did you understand that? [10:57] <brent> it says ppp died unexpectedly [10:57] <insanekane> yes [10:57] <insanekane> it dials, you get the connection, and it dies ? [10:57] <brent> i enter in the same information as i did using soudo pppconfig command [10:58] <insanekane> ie, tyhe modem name-> /dev/modem ? [10:58] <brent> id like to just be able to use kppp, like i can with knoppix, mepis, and linspire. I just happen to like kubuntu distro better, maybr, lol [10:59] <insanekane> did you query the modem to see if KPP has recognized it ? [10:59] <brent> yeah [10:59] <brent> it does [10:59] <nikkia> brent, sounds like a pap/chap issue [10:59] <brent> then it dials up, but then unexpectedly dies i did ln-s to create a logical shortcut to /dev/modem. does that sound right? [11:00] <brent> really? so what would you suggest? [11:00] <nikkia> if you turn on ppp debugging, it might give you more info, but i would guess its going to give you some auth messages right before it disconnect [11:00] <nikkia> brent, getting pap/chap 'right' can be a pain, some ISPs send bogus username auths, and you have to tell them to force your known username [11:01] <brent> yeah it just says ppp daemon died unexpectedly. I am obviously online now, but im not sure how and it wasn't through kppp. ive been going through ubuntu forumes and guides for hours now, lol [11:02] <brent> well, it wasnt an issue at all when i booted from knoppix, this only happens with kubuntu for some reason, am i missing some setting that knoppix/linspire live has automatically set? [11:03] <brent> btw, i really appreciate your info/help [11:04] <brent> nikkia, is this something i need to ask my isp? i asked them before about linux issues and they had NO idea, :( [11:05] <brent> i gotta say, that besides this and a couple other minor things, i really love this kubuntu system. especially apt-get! [11:05] <brent> also how can i change my clock so it doesnt read like army time? [11:06] <nikkia> brent, the ISP won't know :/ [11:06] <nikkia> brent, they just setup MS's PPP server, and pray, unfortunatly, it has a habit of doing annoying stuff like sending false username requests, and thus confusing non MS ppp clients [11:07] <_cj> hola. [11:07] <nikkia> see, the basic premise is thus... the server goes 'ok, you're blah129802, what's your password?', a MS client will go 'no, i'm blah!' and wait for a second attempt, pppd by default goes 'erk, i don't have a password for that name!' [11:08] <brent> so what can i do then? just tell them to let me log on? and how come i can log on using sudo pon? (i think) [11:09] <brent> i mean i got on now somehow, but i dont like doing it this way, and others who use my computer are farrr more computer illiterate than i. i studied about computers in college, just not linux. [11:10] <nikkia> brent, there are a couple of approachs, there is a config variable for pppd that tells it to force the username, which does basically the same as the MS client, ie, goes 'no that's not me, i'm blah', you can also edit pap/chap -secrets in /etc/ppp and make them always use the same password regardless of the username asked, but that isn't a good idea if you use more than one ISP [11:10] <brent> mainly novell and w2K server [11:10] <nikkia> brent, using the 'force username' option, if you do things right, you can set that ppp option outside of the main ppp config, and thus use more than 1 ISP, but it can be complicated [11:11] <nikkia> brent, the real question is, how did you get on now, and why is it different from what kppp is doing ? [11:11] <nikkia> and then 'how can you make kppp *do that*' [11:11] <brent> i only use 1 isp to dial out. is there a command i need? can i open this file from konkorer? [11:11] <brent> exactly! [11:11] <apokryphos> mornin' nikkia :) [11:12] <brent> i used pppconfig command [11:12] <brent> then went through the little dialogs [11:12] <brent> im positive i set it exactly the same as kppp, which is why im so perplexed at the situation [11:13] <brent> ive been up all night trying to figure it out. [11:14] <brent> good thing i picked using my vacation to try to figure this out [11:14] <nikkia> brent, try disconnecting, and reconnecting with kppp [11:14] <brent> nikka you said "you can set that ppp option outside of the main ppp config", how can this be done? [11:14] <nikkia> its possible that pppconfig has modified the dialup stuff in a way that will make kppp work now [11:15] <brent> i have tried it since and it didnt work, but ill try again. lets cross fingers, but i hope if it does not work that i can still get back on [11:15] <nikkia> brent, what i meant by that, is that there is a central /etc/ppp/options that is used for *all* dialup targets (different ISPs/VPNs/etc) but then there are also per-target options files [11:16] <brent> one thing, i think that pon daemon is running, so i just hit home in firefox and it dials up? is this relevant at all? [11:16] <insanekane> brent: im sorry ... i was away answering a phone call .. but i see you have got some help from the expert :) [11:18] <brent> its kool, sorry to be such a noob, but i gotta learn sometime. ill be glad to help anyone else once i learn for myself:) [11:19] <brent> nikkia, i opened that /etc/ppp/options with kwrite. im still confused. are these instructions? [11:19] <nikkia> brent, its not really relevant to the configuration, but if that is the case, then i'm not sure i'd really bother with kppp, if its set to dialup automatically, then you're pretty much in a good situation, as far as i would consider [11:19] <nikkia> brent, no, don't edit the ppp options yet [11:20] <nikkia> brent, check if pppconfig has changed enough to get kppp working, first [11:20] <brent> ok here goes [11:25] <_brent> this sucks. i think i need a nap [11:31] <nikkia> brent, the next thing to do, is to look at what pppconfig does, and compare it to kppp's options [11:42] <brent_> hello im back [11:42] <brent_> still no good for those that care] [11:43] <brent_> hello nikkia and kane [11:44] <brent_> i did what you suggested nikkia, i even went as far as rebooting, thinking that maybe that was necessary or something. i tried kppp and got the same message again. kppp daemon died unexpectedly. [11:44] <brent_> i can connect using sudo pon. [11:44] <Mose`> hello [11:45] <brent_> is this maybe some kind of user issue? [11:45] <brent_> hello mose. newbie here tring to figure out why kppp is not working for me [11:46] <amu> uploaded a new 3.4.2 liveCD someone can test it? http://www.kubuntu.org/~amu/kubuntu-5.04.5-i386-live.iso [11:47] <paines> kde 3.4.2 ? [11:47] <brent_> its crazy nikkia, because kppp works on knoppix and linspire live flwlessly, and i set nothing differently here on kubuntu. [11:47] <buz> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/XEyeCandy?highlight=%28XEyeCandy%29 does that mean we get Xgl in breezy? [11:47] <brent_> when is breezy to be released? im still trying to learn hoary, lol [11:48] <buz> october [11:48] <buz> it wont be that different [11:48] <brent_> evrything else has been a breeze for the most part, but i really need help i think cause im stuck [11:49] <brent_> im sure i was only kidding, im an admitted noob to linux. im trying to learn as we speak, lol [11:50] <brent_> ive obviously done a few things right or else i wouldnt be in here blabbing about it from my kubuntu desktop [11:51] <brent_> i just wish someone had an easy answer for me about my dialup connection. i can connect using sudo pon, but kppp does not let me dial out at all. [11:51] <buz> i've never used ppp sorry [11:51] <buz> my cable modem is acting as bridge, doesn't get any easier than taht ;) [11:52] <paines> bye [11:53] <brent_> its cool, im sure ill run into someone with the same problem, i just dont understand why knoppix and linspire work but kubuntu does not even though the kppp settings are exactly the same in every case. its mind boggling to me [11:53] <buz> did you try ubuntuforums? [11:53] <brent_> yeah when i did my install it was at my dads house with cable connection which was great for apt-get [11:53] <buz> can we get kde 3.4.2 for install tests??? [11:54] <buz> i have no cdrom in this machine [11:54] <brent_> yes ubuntu forums guides hours and hours of googling....... [11:55] <brent_> i would but i dont think that my "lack of linux knowlege" would do much good for you guys [11:57] <insanekane> buz: you mean you want to install kde 3.4.2 rather than the Live CD ? [11:59] <insanekane> buz: if so, just use the breezy repositories [12:01] <insanekane> nikkia: arent you always ? [12:01] <nikkia> insanekane: during this project, yes [12:01] <insanekane> :) [12:01] <insanekane> nikkia: if so, wth are you doing *here* ? ;) [12:01] <nikkia> right now, and hour left to deadline and i'm rushing to get every feature installed [12:02] <nikkia> insanekane: because java compilation isn't instant :P [12:02] <insanekane> hmm [12:02] <insanekane> nikkia: you should use eclipse and its incremental compilation feature [12:02] <marsh> can anyone help me set up a network? I bin googling, but i'm obviously missing something... I cant ping 192.168.0.1 from 192.168.0.2 (or vice versa) [12:02] <insanekane> marsh: hmm .. [12:03] <marsh> etc/allow.* have nothing in (that's not commented out) [12:03] <insanekane> obviosly, you have connected the network cable right ? [12:03] <marsh> and I'm using a crossover lead [12:03] <nikkia> insanekane: i am using eclipse, it still isn't instant :P [12:03] <insanekane> hmm [12:03] <marsh> AS FAR AS I KNOW... [12:03] <insanekane> marsh: crossover lead == peer2peer cable right ? [12:04] <marsh> LET ME CHECK IT... [12:04] <marsh> sorry (caps) [12:04] <insanekane> marsh: use a multimeter etc ... though i dont know which pins to check ... probably nikkia does (as usual) [12:04] <marsh> :( no multimeter [12:04] <nikkia> insanekane: not offhand [12:05] <insanekane> hmm [12:05] <marsh> I could make another though - is it usually that simple to network? [12:05] <insanekane> marsh: yes [12:05] <marsh> just "plug and go"? [12:05] <nikkia> but i'd be more tempted to say that the cards are MDI sensing [12:05] <insanekane> marsh: i got ping in about 2 minutes [12:05] <nikkia> MDI can get confused if both sense it, and you use a cross-over cable [12:06] <marsh> nikkia: MDI [12:06] <marsh> ? [12:06] <nikkia> marsh, media direction something-or-other [12:06] <marsh> ping = destination host unreachable [12:06] <nikkia> marsh, it means the card senses if it is connected to a ethernet port or switch port, and 'pretends' to crossover as required [12:07] <nikkia> marsh, ie, if you connect a straight-thru ethernet cable between two MDI sensing machines, one of them will switch to crossover mode and 'it will just work' [12:07] <nikkia> most recent cards/onboard ethernet is MDI sensing, as are recent switches [12:07] <nikkia> that said, there is probably a module parameter to turn it off :) [12:08] <marsh> nikkia - my p3 800 may be a bit old for that though, yes? [12:08] <marsh> (both of them) [12:09] <nikkia> marsh, hard to say, MDI has been around a few years, though not always supported [12:09] <marsh> I'll make the cable. best to minimise on possibilities, eh [12:09] <nikkia> marsh, if they're that old tho, its more likely that you're not doing something right ifconfig-wise [12:10] <marsh> the onboard cards work well. the other one seemed to install easy [12:11] <insanekane> marsh: on computer A: sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 and on computer B: sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.2 [12:11] <insanekane> set up netmask as 255.255.255.0 on both machines [12:11] <insanekane> then ping [12:11] <insanekane> it works for me [12:12] <insanekane> marsh: with kubuntu, things become even easier, with System->Settings->Internet->Network Settings [12:12] <marsh> insanekane: they are set up to 192.168.0.1/2 and they do have a netmask of 255.255.255.0 :( [12:12] <marsh> I'll doi the cable... [12:14] <marsh> insanekane: you say that, but in Kubuntu I dont have a system>settings Hehehe... [12:14] <insanekane> marsh: the system button is the button next to the KMenu [12:15] <marsh> insanekane: and the settings bit? [12:15] <xe||> why on earth doesn't firefox use the kdialogs for save as, open file...? it works that way e.g. on suse, why not on kubuntu? [12:15] <insanekane> when u click the system button, you will see settings [12:19] <marsh> insanekane: not on this install I dont...???? - I hace a system button in the menu brought up by hitting the 'system' button, but no settings... :/ [12:20] <insanekane> ok neevrmind [12:20] <insanekane> marsh: you c analso use Conotrl Centre [12:20] <insanekane> you can also use Control Centre [12:20] <marsh> but I have found out that I have wired the cable the wrong way :blush: [12:20] <insanekane> hehe :) [12:25] <marsh> insanekane: nikkia if I now plug in the cable, should I get a result - or do I have to shutdown/reset cards? [12:27] <insanekane> marsh: you should get a result [12:27] <insanekane> marsh: use sudo ifconfig to check if the settings are right [12:27] <marsh> 'cause I'm getting the same prblem :( [12:28] <marsh> insane - I hace - and they are... hang on - I'll just check again... [12:28] <insanekane> marsh: btw, ive had busted cards seem to work on linux [12:29] <insanekane> so even if the settings are all right, the cards may actually be busted ... so u have to verify that first [12:29] <insanekane> for me, verifying was easy enough: i saw a busted capacitor on the card in question [12:31] <marsh> pants [12:31] <nikkia> right, relaxation time [12:31] <marsh> 's not even working with the cards I know are ok :( [12:32] <insanekane> nikkia: all done ? [12:32] <nikkia> insanekane: almost [12:32] <insanekane> hmm ur fast [12:33] <nikkia> insanekane: waiting on the 50MB .tar.gz file of sprites and audio to upload [12:33] <insanekane> oh :) a game perchance ? [12:33] <nikkia> insanekane: after that, i need to merge in the 200MB of .avi files, which i'm NOT uploading again at 20KB [12:33] <nikkia> after that, i can release it to the customer :) [12:33] <marsh> insanekane: just to check - if I ifconfig and the inet addr is right (192.168.0.1 & 2 respectively) and the netmask to the right of that is 255.255.255.0 on both machines I should have a connection. yes? [12:33] <insanekane> yep [12:33] <nikkia> insanekane: sort of, gambling terminal software [12:33] <insanekane> with the default kubuntu install that should work [12:33] <insanekane> nikkia: aha [12:34] <nikkia> insanekane: in this case, roulette [12:34] <insanekane> nikkia: nuclear reactors, gambling terminals ... what next ? [12:34] <marsh> theres no firewalling I should know about? [12:34] <insanekane> nope [12:34] <nikkia> insanekane: *shrug*, you're also missing 'the video game industry' and 'telecoms control software' in between the two :) [12:34] <insanekane> atleast that was the case for me ... nikkia though would be the person to ask [12:34] <marsh> nikkia - you writing roulette? [12:34] <marsh> 0 or 00? [12:34] <nikkia> marsh, have been, for the last 3 months [12:34] <nikkia> marsh, single 0, european market (for spain) [12:35] <marsh> Hehehe... I dealt roullette for over 10 years. [12:35] <marsh> (and still can't spell it lol) [12:36] <nikkia> actually, thats not true... [12:36] <marsh> <-- to the drawing board [12:36] <nikkia> i've been writing roulette for the last 7 months [12:36] <nikkia> as i had to do a UK market roulette before this :) [12:36] <marsh> nikkia - why so difficult? just the aesthetics? [12:36] <marsh> srely the game itself isn't that difficult? [12:37] <nikkia> marsh, no, actually, the aesthetics were almost identical [12:37] <marsh> after all - 's pretty basic as rules go, isn't it? [12:37] <nikkia> the difference is, different hardware/OS (UK market was NT) and UK market was FOB whereas spanish is AWP [12:37] <marsh> whats FOB & AWP? [12:38] <nikkia> marsh: FOB = Fixed Odds Betting, AWP = Amusement with prizes [12:38] <marsh> and why are the UK markets always the ones stupid enough to use NT :( [12:38] <nikkia> marsh: basically, FOB is governed by random numbers, and the winning percentage is based on the odds of winning properly [12:38] <nikkia> AWP is controlled, so you have a specific percentage that the machine must pay out, and it adjusts whether you win or not to reach that goal [12:38] <insanekane> whats NT ? [12:38] <nikkia> insanekane: Windows NT [12:39] <insanekane> oh right :) [12:39] <insanekane> thought it was a game scheme [12:39] <marsh> ok - and the prizes? you couldn't just use crdeits and rate them against prizes? [12:39] <nikkia> 4.0 so no DirectX or anything like that :) [12:39] <insanekane> nikkia: are you a freelancer ? [12:39] <nikkia> insanekane: no [12:40] <insanekane> ok [12:40] <nikkia> marsh: AWP must be controlled, you can't just say 'ok, roulette pays 97%, that's more than the 80% the machine is set to', so you have to somehow affect the outcome based on whether you need to increase or decrease the current running percentage [12:40] <marsh> nikkia: the AWP - the prizes are cash? [12:40] <nikkia> marsh: yes [12:41] <nikkia> marsh: its far more complicated in spain tho :) [12:41] <marsh> Aaahhh... I see... [12:41] <marsh> nik...? [12:41] <marsh> why like this? [12:41] <nikkia> marsh: basically, you play a sub-game to win chips from cash, and then play those chips in roulette, which you can then collect the winning chips from as either more chips or cash [12:41] <marsh> nikkia: - so the AWP's are for the greedy corps... [12:42] <nikkia> marsh: not really, its a bit complicated [12:42] <marsh> not just that they want bigger %'s [12:42] <marsh> ? [12:42] <nikkia> marsh, AWP has both positive and negative sides, in that it *has* to pay out, as well as it having *not* to pay out :) [12:43] <nikkia> marsh, greedy corps would love something like fixed odds where the odds are 1 in 100 :) [12:43] <marsh> nikkia: spain sounds complicated -that a legal requirement/loophole [12:43] <nikkia> marsh, yes, its all legal requirements [12:43] <nikkia> gambling laws in europe tend to be complicated (not just spain, and they vary from area to area) [12:44] <marsh> but surely the standard game will take it's long term % (1 in 37), and will have to pay out in the long run due to those fixed odds... ?!?! [12:44] <nikkia> marsh, another annoyance of the laws are things like timing, there is often minimum game time, and so on [12:44] <marsh> Aaaahh... I see... [12:44] <marsh> Timing [12:44] <marsh> the answer to all things [12:45] <marsh> ... [12:45] <nikkia> still, 3 months is good :) [12:45] <marsh> not bad - it'd take me that long just to know what they wanted! [12:45] <nikkia> the other team progamming on the same kit has been working 14 months on their project, which is technically more simple than roulette, and they STILL have major bugs :) [12:45] <nikkia> they got torn a new one by email yesterday :) [12:45] <marsh> so much for the nice easy game of roulette.. [12:46] <nikkia> marsh, almost 100% of my time was actually spent in the presentation/flow [12:46] <nikkia> marsh, i had a basic roulette rule system running within about 2 hours :) [12:46] <marsh> nikkia: as it should be! [12:46] <nikkia> the hard part is tieing everything together, getting video playback 'right', getting all the interconnection of the game states, etc [12:46] <marsh> (although my codings shite & would have taken days) [12:47] <marsh> nikkia: I'm with ya [12:47] <nikkia> marsh, i prefer this industry over the 'video game' industry tho [12:47] <nikkia> marsh, shorter projects, more feeling of self-worth, you're not a small cog on a 2-year-long project [12:48] <marsh> nikkia - gambling, you mean? [12:48] <nikkia> marsh, gambling software, yes [12:48] <insanekane> nikkia: what package should I install to get STL documentation ? [12:48] <nikkia> its still video games, but its not THE 'video game' industry [12:48] <nikkia> insanekane: no idea [12:48] <insanekane> k [12:49] <marsh> nikkia: i's based on fact though - so i suppose it's simpler in a way... no? [12:49] <nikkia> marsh, i have no idea what my next project is, though, thankfully, i don't have to worry about it yet, i'm on holiday next week :) [12:49] <marsh> Heyhey! congrats nikkia! [12:49] <marsh> anywhere nice? [12:49] <nikkia> marsh: in some ways, but usually you start a 'video game' with a set of design documents that outline the gameplay anyway [12:49] <nikkia> marsh, nah, just lounging around at home [12:49] <thoreauputic> insanekane: apt-cache search stl | grep doc >> stl-manual ? [12:50] <marsh> nikkia: but the pressure's off though - you UK? [12:50] <jens> hello! knows anybody something about a local desktop wiki system for kde like the newton system from gnome? [12:50] <nikkia> marsh, yeah, UK [12:51] <marsh> and not gonna take advantage of the wonderfull weather coming up? [12:51] <nikkia> jens, i think i'd rather just install mediawiki on apache, personally [12:51] <nikkia> marsh, erm, wonderful weather? /me looks outside at the rain [12:51] <insanekane> thoreauputic: thanks :) [12:52] <thoreauputic> insanekane: you're welcome :) apt-cache search is your friend ;-) [12:52] <jens> Ohh yes the same idea have i yesterday. but it must give something faster and or more easy. thanks [12:53] <insanekane> thoreauputic: as are you :) [12:53] <marsh> nikkia: forecast is beter than present [12:53] <thoreauputic> insanekane: :) [12:53] <nikkia> marsh, i'd be hard not to be :P [12:53] <marsh> ...well here anyways [12:53] <nikkia> marsh, it looked like it was about to turn to SNOW yesterday, had that 'sleety' look to the rain :) [12:53] <marsh> you north? [12:54] <nikkia> nah, hertfordshire [12:54] <marsh> not near bristol - I'l warrant! [12:54] <marsh> herts... that sort of middle east? [12:55] <marsh> nikkia: pessimist! [12:56] <marsh> next week'll be fine weather for getting yr tent out & checking out the coast - you mark my words... [12:56] <nikkia> marsh, pretty much due north of london, not by far tho [12:56] <marsh> yeah - pretty much what i thought(ish) [12:56] <nikkia> marsh, herts is basically one of those counties that starts in london, and spreads outwards [12:56] <nikkia> i have an 'enfield' post code for example [12:56] <marsh> -- bit like london [12:57] <marsh> nikkia: ok [12:58] <marsh> 'Ere - if i wanna check my other net card & have to release from blueyonder to change mac address's, will ifdown release it so I can change cards (and machines too) [12:58] <marsh> 'cause I'm notgetting a connection if I just change machines over [12:58] <brent> i'm back [12:59] <brent> nikkia, guess what? I got it figured out (kppp problem) [12:59] <brent> I found this link and it worked! http://www.mepis.org/node/1748 [01:00] <brent> just wanted to let you know that that's exactly what my problem was and that I figured out how to fix it. Thanks for your help as well. [01:01] <brent> I am so awfully stoked right now [01:01] <brent> it had everthing to do with authentication [01:02] <nikkia> brent, *nod* i don't use ppp enough to have given you an exact fix, but i figured it'd be something to do with auth [01:02] <nikkia> brent, the only thing i use PPP for these days, is my work's VPN [01:03] <brent> its totally kool! i really do appreciate all of your assistance. [01:04] <brent> like i stated before, im a newbie, but everyone is at some point. im learning and it is very exciting. [01:04] <nikkia> wooo, my CDs passed thru the evil anti-terrorist 'OMG, CD's they might explode!!' check :) [01:05] <brent> nikkia, is this in nyc or jersey, or in europa? [01:05] <jpatrick> Europe.. [01:05] <nikkia> brent, UK [01:06] <brent> oh. scary? [01:06] <nikkia> brent, my blank CDs/DVDs looked suspicious enough that they decided to investigate them, according to the tracking info :/ [01:06] <brent> they show the terrorist stuff here in chicago all the time [01:06] <brent> hmmmm [01:06] <brent> uk terror on chicago news i mean [01:07] <brent> cds dont pose much of a threat unless they have anthrax on them? lol [01:07] <nikkia> brent, you'd think so [01:07] <brent> no laughing matter about terror, but cd checking is a bit silly [01:08] <thoreauputic> except AOL CDs of course, which are well-known weapons of mass destruction ;) [01:08] <brent> we have been lucky enough here in the states to not have another incident since 9/11 (yet) scary....... [01:08] <brent> aol....lol [01:08] <nikkia> brent, the thing is, most of us here have been affected long before all this recent stuff [01:09] <brent> yeah i know [01:09] <nikkia> brent, i remember being stuck in bristol temple meade station because of an IRA bomb threat about 15 years ago, for example [01:09] <brent> it just maybe seems like reality check? i dunno [01:09] <brent> yeah [01:10] <brent> i had some bomb threats at my school right after 9/11 @ Robert Morris College [01:10] <brent> We were sorta freaking out [01:10] <nikkia> woo, less than a minute left on this upload [01:11] <brent> there were FBI offices in the same building so we thought terrorists were targeting the FBI agents, but it turned out to be a pranking 'girl' nonetheless [01:12] <brent> anywho, i just wanted to thank you for your help. i really enjoy kubuntu and the community is great [01:13] <brent> since i found the solution on a Mepis post, you think I ought to post the link/solution to (k)ubuntu post? [01:13] <brent> i'm sure others have faced same problem [01:15] <brent> nikkia, peace i hope we can chat again some other time, for now, later............ [01:17] <torz> hey I've got something weird going on - upgraded my system to AMD64 3000+ 2.0GHz but /proc tells me its running @ 1.0GHz. [01:18] <buz> try something cpu intensive [01:18] <buz> athlon64 cool n quiet powers down to 1ghz when relatively light load [01:19] <torz> oh. [01:19] <torz> I see :~) [01:20] <torz> I guess proc logs that at startup (when minimal load). [01:23] <ztonzy> hey :) [01:23] <Firetech> what decides if /sys/block/[drive] /removable should be 1 or 0? [01:23] <ztonzy> do anyone know if there's any adblocker for Konqueror...some websites use flash heavily for ads...and that slow down the browser (and somewhat system too) [01:24] <Firetech> Because an external USB HDD should be removable... [01:28] <nikkia> right, not quite 'morning' but close enough :P [01:30] <hussam> how do extract a password protected rar archive? [01:30] <buz> not sure if you can crack those [01:31] <buz> there might be some tools for it [01:31] <nikkia> guess the password :P [01:31] <hussam> I know the password [01:31] <nikkia> hussam, then you should be prompted [01:31] <hussam> ark does not prompt me [01:31] <nikkia> oh, ark [01:31] <nikkia> i use unrar *shrug* [01:32] <nikkia> ztonzy: there is no adblock for konq atm, but it is one of the features of 3.5 iirc [01:32] <ztonzy> nikkia: I do hope :) [01:33] <ztonzy> flash drags browser down [01:33] <hussam> what is correct syntax? "unrar -e filename.rar" does nothing [01:33] <nikkia> ztonzy: http://jrepin.blogspot.com/2005/07/jlps-kde-35-previews-part-1.html [01:33] <hussam> I have unrar installed [01:33] <nikkia> ztonzy: see the bit near the bottom about adblock/konq [01:33] <nikkia> hussam: unrar x filename.rar [01:34] <ztonzy> nikkia: aha...thanks [01:43] <hussam> nikkia:thanks that worked [01:55] <ztonzy> where's default images for KDE loaded...somewhere in /usr/share ?? [01:55] <ztonzy> located* [01:56] <nikkia> yeah, pretty much [01:57] <nikkia> a variety of places, /usr/share/pixmaps, /usr/share/wallpapers and /usr/share/icons [01:58] <ztonzy> I always seem to forget where they are located :-\ [01:59] <ztonzy> hmm as standard...isn't there a pixmap for taskbar bakground ? [02:03] <nikkia> erm, i don't know [02:03] <ztonzy> mine have disspeared [02:03] <nikkia> /usr/share/apps/kicker/wallpapers/default.png [02:03] <nikkia> at least here [02:03] <ztonzy> thanks [02:04] <ztonzy> nikkia: :) [02:04] <nikkia> anyone know how to get udev to reload its rules without trashing the running system ? [02:07] <hussam> According to distrowatch.com , KDE 3.4.2 has been released. No word or news yet on kde.org [02:07] <nikkia> source is in stable [02:08] <nikkia> there's also: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubuntu/ :) [02:10] <hussam> nikkia: that's great news thanks. Wow Kubuntu is indeed the best kde based distro ever. [02:10] <insanekane> hussam: indeed :) [02:11] <hussam> Not all distros will give you the most recent kde version. [02:11] <buz> i wont use one that doesnt ;) [02:12] <buz> now how do i add that as rep? [02:13] <hussam> I'm guessing: deb ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubuntu/ hoary-updates main [02:13] <hussam> I'll try that now [02:13] <paines> hi [02:13] <buz> i'm gonna give it a shot [02:14] <paines> anyone know a kde tool which i can use to connect to a nokia mobile phone to sync phone numbers and stuff [02:14] <paines> and which is availbale in kubuntu [02:14] <buz> what is secpolicy [02:15] <buz> it wants to update that [02:15] <buz> secpolicy - KDE PAM security policy configuration tool [02:16] <buz> now if only someone would package browsers and thunderbird when they get updated [02:17] <_erik> what about a firewall for kubuntu ? [02:17] <paines> guarddog [02:18] <ztonzy> what is "kitchensync" ? [02:18] <_erik> is there a basic firewall on the system? or must I install one ? [02:19] <paines> _erik: try guarddog, it lets you close and open ports via point and click [02:19] <paines> it straight forward [02:19] <_erik> shorewall can be updated too [02:19] <_erik> ill try both [02:23] <buz> 3.4.2 upgrade downloaded [02:23] <buz> installing [02:23] <apokryphos> it's still not anounced, funnily enough [02:23] <buz> who cares [02:23] <paines> what ? [02:23] <buz> kde 3.4.2 [02:23] <paines> kde 3.4.2 is out and no announce ? [02:23] <apokryphos> buz: me? :P [02:24] <apokryphos> paines: developers get packages some time before official release to have time to package [02:24] <paines> apokryphos: wow [02:24] <hussam> buz: same here. I've tried many distros and kubuntu seems more and more to be the best choice. [02:24] <paines> so, i have to vbecome developer [02:24] <buz> paines [02:24] <buz> secpolicy - KDE PAM security policy configuration tool [02:24] <buz> no wait [02:24] <buz> i wanted to paste the repository url [02:24] <apokryphos> paines: well, no -- kubuntu devs got it some time ago, so it's in a repository [02:25] <paines> cool. [02:25] <buz> deb ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubuntu/ hoary-updates [02:25] <buz> woudl be better to get it from a mirror i guess [02:25] <paines> thanks guys [02:25] <apokryphos> ta [02:25] <buz> once slashdot gets word kde will go down [02:25] <hussam> you'll have to do a dist-upgrade as it needs to install additional stuff. [02:25] <buz> as always [02:25] <paines> doing linux since 95, and seen many things [02:25] <apokryphos> hussam: really? What like? [02:25] <paines> but ubuntu project is one of the coolest [02:25] <buz> mhh dist-upgrade? really? [02:25] <buz> what does it need? [02:26] <buz> tho i run dist-upgrade every once in a while [02:26] <buz> so i might be fine [02:26] <hussam> apokryphos: kpovmodeler, krec , ksirc ... [02:26] <buz> The following NEW packages will be installed: [02:26] <buz> imlib-base imlib1 kaboodle kcoloredit kdat kdelirc kdict kdvi kget khexedit kiconedit kmid kpackage kpovmodeler krec ksirc ksysv ktimer ktip kuickshow [02:26] <buz> libarts1-mpeglib libpng10-0 mpeglib noatun [02:26] <buz> The following packages will be upgraded: [02:26] <buz> kdeadmin kdebase kdegraphics kdemultimedia kdenetwork kdeutils [02:26] <buz> that is dist-upgrade after upgrade [02:26] <apokryphos> hussam: why do you need dist-upgrade for that? [02:27] <apokryphos> hussam: I'd only really want stuff that kubuntu-desktop would bring in, anyhow. [02:27] <hussam> apokryphos: also kaboodle. [02:27] <buz> well kdeadmin would come with kubuntu-desktop i guess [02:27] <hussam> apokryphos: with regular upgrade, it will hold some updates [02:27] <buz> and likely not work very smooth [02:27] <buz> so dist-upgrade [02:28] <apokryphos> buz: err, why wouldn't it be smooth? [02:28] <buz> who knows what happens if you use kdeadmin 3.4.1 with otherwise 3.4.2 [02:28] <buz> also kdenetwork [02:28] <apokryphos> confused. Why would that happen? [02:28] <buz> cause kdeadmin came in with the dist-upgrade [02:28] <buz> wasnt upgraded otherwise [02:29] <buz> "kdeadmin kdebase kdegraphics kdemultimedia kdenetwork kdeutils" [02:29] <apokryphos> kubuntu-desktop doesn't depend on it? [02:29] <buz> i really rather have those upgraded as well [02:29] <apokryphos> Gotta do something; will check this in a sec [02:29] <buz> well i'll restart x [02:29] <buz> that is what i have to do right? [02:30] <apokryphos> not necessary.. [02:30] <buz> mhh seems to have worked [02:31] <buz> apokryphos: you could try upgrade of course [02:31] <buz> see what happens [02:32] <apokryphos> I'm not saying anything would go wrong of course; just that I'm not sure it's necessary. I haven't got to it yet so I don't know for sure [02:32] <apokryphos> writing an email; brb [02:32] <buz> well it seems some rather core stuff doesnt get upgraded without dist-upgrade [02:32] <buz> hussam did you try plain upgrade? [02:32] <buz> besides it doesnt seem to hurt anything ;) [02:33] <hussam> I did sudo apt-get upgrade but it was going to hold some packages so I did apt-get dist-upgrade [02:34] <buz> well it works with dist-upgrade so why bother [02:34] <buz> didnt notice anything bad so far [02:34] <hussam> buz: you're done? [02:34] <buz> yes [02:34] <buz> since 5 minutes [02:35] <buz> it's about 90mb download [02:36] <apokryphos> ok, back [02:36] <buz> http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kde7zx.png [02:37] <apokryphos> hm, kind of wondering why I'm getting an update error. Shouldn't that have "main" as well as hoary-extras? [02:37] <buz> i had deb ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubuntu/ hoary-updates [02:37] <apokryphos> still, it complains of a gzip error [02:37] <buz> no main [02:37] <toma> wow, crowded here [02:38] <apokryphos> buz: that exact thing gives me E: Malformed line 35 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse) [02:38] <apokryphos> odd [02:38] <mentat-> anyone want to help a complete noob trying with Kubunu on an Acer Aspire laptop? Having trouble with administrator mode to set up networking. i enter my password to enter admin mode, it says "loading" with the red box, then it just disappears and dumps me back to the control center page [02:39] <buz> no sorry, main is in there as well [02:39] <apokryphos> mentat-: alt+f2 -> kdesu kcontrol [02:39] <buz> i didnt notice it got concatenaed with my prompt as i didnt have a trailing slash [02:39] <buz> newline i mean [02:39] <jpatrick> mentat: that happenes sometimes [02:40] <mentat-> it was odd... i had the lappie with me at work (with no network connections available) and admin mode worked. i get it home to actually plug it into the net, and i can't configure [02:40] <toma> I've a small question about my installation. I'm working in a chroot environment to prepare kubuntu for booting. Only i can not install a kernel because mkinitrd complains about /dev/hda4 not being a block device. Probably something with udev? does anyone know how to solve this? [02:40] <insanekane> toma: [02:40] <apokryphos> mentat-: yup, it's a known bug. [02:40] <insanekane> toma: yes, you need to regen initrd [02:41] <apokryphos> buz: do you not have anything else? I still get an error ( http://pastebin.com/323652 ) [02:41] <mentat-> oh ok good, thought it was just me. having absolute shite luck with computers lately [02:41] <toma> insanekane: sorry, i don't understand... [02:41] <buz> did you add main? [02:41] <insanekane> toma: err, sorry, wrong fix :) [02:41] <apokryphos> buz: correct [02:42] <mentat-> apokryphos: that command didn't seem to do anything - it asked for my password and disappeared too. [02:42] <apokryphos> buz: nevermind, I'll use Kubuntu's repo [02:42] <buz> apokryphos: http://pastebin.com/323653 [02:42] <apokryphos> mentat-: kcontrol didn't start up? [02:42] <mentat-> nope... it asked for my pw, which i entered, and then nothing [02:42] <apokryphos> mentat-: close all versions of kcontrol, then alt+f2 -> kcontrol. You should be running kcontrol in admin mode [02:43] <apokryphos> mentat-: your *user* password, right? [02:43] <mentat-> yup [02:43] <apokryphos> mentat-: ok, try running sudo kcontrol in Konsole [02:43] <mentat-> kcontrol = control center? [02:43] <apokryphos> Correct [02:43] <toma> insanekane: any idea? [02:43] <insanekane> i had trouble with admin mode ... after i set a root password with sudo passwd, it started working [02:43] <apokryphos> buz: heh, interesting. No worries; kubuntu seems to work fine. [02:43] <buz> holy crap [02:43] <buz> that must be against human rights: http://www.david-hasselhoff.com/downloads/pingudance.mp3 [02:44] <apokryphos> insanekane: kcontrol doesn't use the root password at all [02:44] <apokryphos> mentat-: oh wait, what version of KDE are you running? [02:45] <mentat-> hoary [02:45] <toma> i guess i cant switch then. Stuck to debian [02:45] <apokryphos> hussam, buz: ah, I see -- the kubuntu-desktop pack hasn't been updated, that's why. [02:45] <mentat-> i think [02:45] <insanekane> toma: i had some errors with kernel not booting because it claimed my partition was not a block device ... the fix was to regenerate initrd, using mkinitrd ... since you get bug with mkinitrd, i think the fix for my problem doesnt apply to u [02:45] <toma> insanekane: right. [02:45] <apokryphos> mentat-: add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main ; then sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get upgrade [02:45] <insanekane> mentat-: try by setting a root password ... it did work for me .. dunno how it will work for you though [02:46] <mentat-> ooh errors when sudo kcontrol from console, a bunch of stuff saying "owned by udi 1000 instead of uid 0" [02:46] <mentat-> kane: tried that too but no luck... basically i reinstalled while at work last night, and the first time i went to kcontrol>network settings the admin login worked [02:46] <mentat-> but since then, nothing [02:46] <insanekane> mentat-: try kdesu kcontrol [02:46] <apokryphos> Looks like your permissions are a little mucked up there :| [02:47] <mentat-> poop [02:47] <mentat-> this is a fresh install from last night [02:47] <buz> amarok 1.2.3 [02:47] <apokryphos> mentat-: is this a new user, by any chance? [02:47] <apokryphos> buz: :| [02:47] <mentat-> negative, the only user there, from the install [02:47] <mentat-> matthew = me [02:47] <mentat-> bleh [02:47] <apokryphos> mentat-: try what insanekane said. If it worked for him, it may work for you... [02:48] <apokryphos> mentat-: if you have time I strongly recommend upgrading, though. [02:48] <apokryphos> A lot of bugfixes in the latest update [02:48] <mentat-> this is discouraging because even if i get my lan to work it looks like people are having trouble with the wifi in these notebooks [02:48] <mentat-> point me to the newest x86 install? i have 5.04 now.... [02:49] <apokryphos> mentat-: just add that line into the file I said, then execute those commands [02:49] <apokryphos> it'll do it [02:49] <buz> 5.04 [02:49] <mentat-> ok thanks i'll try [02:49] <mentat-> bear in mind i am a complete and utter noob to linux [02:49] <mentat-> i just open that file in a text editor and save it, then run those commands? [02:49] <jpatrick> 50 minutes to download KDE 3.4.2... [02:49] <apokryphos> mentat-: no problem at all. Let us know if there's any part you get stuck on; we're here to help ;-) [02:50] <mentat-> you guys rox0r [02:50] <apokryphos> 1m35s :P [02:50] <mentat-> plus One Crazy Summer is on comedy central right now so htf am i supposed to concentrate [02:50] <nikkia> i'm not, i'm here for the free sandwiches [02:51] <apokryphos> nikkia: the ones with cucumber, cheese and ham are the best. Hands off! [02:51] <apokryphos> nikkia: no modem arrival yet? [02:51] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, i emailed cust. service earlier [02:51] <apokryphos> nikkia: 3.4.2 was delayed to today, actually (heh, we'll see). [02:51] <nikkia> apokryphos: i don't expect a reply before the modem [02:51] <apokryphos> hehe [02:51] <nikkia> apokryphos: erm, its already out [02:52] <apokryphos> nikkia: no, it's not [02:52] <apokryphos> (not officially) [02:52] <jpatrick> now it's 40mins @ 40kB/s [02:52] <nikkia> ah, word-weasel! :P [02:53] <jpatrick> hmmm.. my max speed is 55kB/s normally.. [02:53] <apokryphos> nikkia: for you, that is, it'll be available some time today :P [02:53] <apokryphos> jpatrick: do you have the correct mirror? [02:53] <mentat-> jesus christ i suck [02:53] <mentat-> kate wont let me save sources.list [02:53] <apokryphos> jpatrick: normal BB running there? [02:53] <mentat-> what the heck [02:53] <jpatrick> yeah [02:53] <apokryphos> mentat-: you need root permissions for stuff inside there. Either do something like kdesu kate, or sudo kwrite from Konsole [02:54] <mentat-> oh ok [02:54] <nikkia> apokryphos: sources are on the kde ftp, 'officially released' be damned [02:54] <nikkia> apokryphos: i have no intention of upgrading til the weekend however [02:54] <apokryphos> available for download? [02:54] <nikkia> apokryphos: yes [02:54] <apokryphos> Interesting. Anouncement hasn't been made yet ( http://kde.org/announcements/announce-3.4.2.php ) [02:54] <nikkia> ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/src/ [02:55] <buz> rotfl [02:55] <apokryphos> I wonder why it's not anounced... [02:55] <jpatrick> I'm closing Konversion to speed things up.. [02:55] <buz> i wonder how long it will take until someone posts it on slashdot [02:55] <jpatrick> cya [02:55] <nikkia> apokryphos: i might try using the xdelta files [02:55] <nikkia> apokryphos: i imagine i need a program called 'xdelta' to apply them, however [02:55] <mentat-> apokryphos: stupid windows user question - i dont have to reboot or anything before running those apt commands after changing sources.list right [02:56] <buz> mentat-: no [02:56] <buz> but perhaps after running them [02:56] <apokryphos> After running them you should at least relogin in [02:57] <mentat-> erm i just realized [02:57] <mentat-> those commands are to get the upgrade [02:57] <mentat-> over an internet connection [02:57] <mentat-> which i cant get to work [02:57] <buz> yes [02:57] <mentat-> hehe [02:57] <mentat-> is there a new updated install CD [03:01] <apokryphos> hm, problem with upgrade is that current firefox breaks install. No worries [03:01] <buz> so did your upgrade work? [03:01] <buz> huuh [03:01] <buz> my firefox works fine [03:02] <apokryphos> firefox in backports had issues [03:02] <apokryphos> had to uninstall it, remove backports, and now will reinstall it [03:02] <apokryphos> got 3.4.2 fine now. Gonna check groupware stuff in a sec [03:02] <brosio> ehy the version of kopete in warty is altredy patched ? [03:02] <brosio> i read an advisor for kopete [03:02] <brosio> http://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20050721-1.txt [03:03] <buz> kontact launces fine for me [03:03] <apokryphos> Kontact itself was fine; groupware stuff I was having problems with though [03:03] <buz> groupware stuff??? [03:03] <buz> like what [03:03] <apokryphos> kolab [03:03] <buz> ah i dont use that [03:03] <apokryphos> it's pretty new [03:04] <buz> i hooked kontact up with egroupware [03:04] <buz> works for ht emost part [03:04] <buz> yikes [03:04] <buz> kolab uses a whole bunch of software i cant stand [03:05] <buz> is there an online demo of kolab [03:05] <buz> ah it uses horde for web [03:05] <buz> i dont care much for that one either [03:07] <apokryphos> it's all very new to me, but looks very handy so far [03:08] <buz> mhh its more complete than egroupware i guess [03:08] <buz> egroupware doesnt manage the mailserver itself [03:08] <buz> and outlook doesnt work with it afaik [03:08] <buz> but i could care less for outlook [03:14] <insanekane> will some of u pls stop using the breezy repository ? ;) i just downloaded 178 MB to compile OOo and now it times out on the last 17.4kb !!!! :/ [03:20] <buz> compile oo? [03:20] <buz> you must be masochist [03:23] <may> bouh [03:24] <insanekane> buz: just frustrated ... been trying to download 17.4 kb (libpango0) for the past hour [03:24] <insanekane> buz: always timing out :/ [03:25] <buz> try another rep? [03:25] <insanekane> WOOHOO !!! [03:25] <insanekane> it worked finally !! [03:25] <insanekane> now hoping kde 3.4.2 works [03:27] <nikkia> you know, k3b is actually *great* when you compile it against every multimedia library known to man :P [03:38] <apokryphos> aha, now it's been officially released. [03:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm too busy pirating CDs for my mum :P [03:43] <apokryphos> hehe [03:44] <Riddell> 3.4.2 out http://dot.kde.org/1122553679 [03:45] <apokryphos> now we just need the kubuntu anouncement ;-) [03:53] <apokryphos> oh, it is there. [03:56] <apokryphos> Riddell: does the new repo have Koffice 1.4 in it? [03:56] <apokryphos> *1.4.1/1.4.2 [03:57] <Riddell> apokryphos: koffice 1.4.1 is in the koffice 1.4.1 repository :) [03:57] <Riddell> see news section on kubuntu.org [03:57] <apokryphos> Yeah, just wonderd if they were both in the new one now. [03:57] <Riddell> no, they're kept separate mainly because that's how download.kde.org needs it [03:58] <apokryphos> Riddell: I still think it's a bit odd adding all these new repos each time for an upgrade :P. [03:58] <apokryphos> Backports really would be cool (Ubuntu-wise, that's where they should go, I think), but if download.kde.org needs it that way, then no worries [04:01] <brosio> anyone that have ubuntu on amd64 can said me which version is on repository ? [04:02] <apokryphos> Would have been cool if the dot article mentioned that Kubuntu had packaged it already ;-) [04:02] <darkphader> got a mouse problem on kubuntu 5.04 [04:02] <darkphader> logitech usb mouse [04:02] <darkphader> on boot is dead [04:02] <darkphader> unplug and replug and it weorks [04:03] <darkphader> any known fix? [04:03] <supernix> Hiya gang [04:03] <supernix> WASSUP [04:03] <nikkia> erm, wow... 0.6KB/s from sourceforge [04:04] <supernix> I need someone to help me figure out if I might have been compromised [04:04] <buz> do you use tripwire' [04:04] <supernix> nope [04:04] <buz> could get hard then [04:05] <supernix> I have heard of it but never used it [04:05] <buz> what you could do [04:05] <buz> boot from livecd [04:05] <buz> and check files against known good ones [04:05] <supernix> do they have a root kit checker ? [04:06] <buz> i doubt it [04:06] <buz> apt might have md5 sums though [04:06] <buz> dunno for sure [04:19] <insanekane> how do i force apt to use some kind of compression when doing dist-upgrade ? [04:19] <insanekane> otherwise upgrade will take 4 days !!! ;/ [04:19] <buz> i thought debs were already compressed [04:20] <insanekane> buz: just wondering ... [04:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> they are compressed [04:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> bz2 IIRC? [04:47] <buz> i dont believe it [04:47] <buz> viewing in tab still is broken in akregator [04:47] <buz> how hard can it be [04:48] <nikkia> obviously too hard :P [04:48] <buz> it insists on launching firefox if you have firefox as default browser [04:48] <buz> which sorta destroys the view in tab functionality :( [04:48] <buz> what version of akregator was in 3.4.1 [04:49] <nikkia> 1.1.1 [04:49] <buz> ah its the same now [04:50] <pointwood> where do you change the brightness and such in Kaffeine? [05:00] <buz> has anyone got instructions on using gecko in konqueror? not being able to use htmlarea sucks [05:00] <mart> buz: htmlarea in konq works fine here [05:00] <buz> weird [05:00] <buz> must try again [05:01] <buz> http://www.dynarch.com/demos/htmlarea/examples/core.html i only get a normal textarea [05:01] <mart> ah, that htmlarea [05:01] <buz> or pretty much any "wysiwyg" control [05:02] <mart> you need a different browser [05:02] <buz> i know [05:02] <buz> but there once was a project to use gecko as engine for konqueror [05:02] <buz> i'm getting pissed off at firefox meager speed lately [05:02] <mart> yep, but that doesn't mean its available with instructions [05:03] <buz> too bad [05:03] <buz> i think its rather painful to use a cms then format entries by hand :( [05:03] <mart> I think there are other wysiwyg ones that do work [05:04] <buz> neither tinymce nor xinha do [05:06] <nikkia> buz, used 1.0.6 yet ? [05:06] <buz> sure [05:06] <buz> since day 1 [05:07] <nikkia> buz, ok, since you said about its speed, 1.0.6 is a lot faster for me than 1.0.4 was [05:07] <buz> still sucks compared to windows really [05:07] <buz> i can see it rendering pages [05:07] <buz> on a 2.5ghz machine [05:07] <nikkia> firefox on windows? or IE on windows? [05:07] <buz> ff on windows feels faster [05:07] <nikkia> firefox on windows is just as slow for me [05:08] <jjesse> FF on my windows box kicks the processor to 99% [05:08] <jjesse> i dont' use it :( [05:08] <buz> konqueror is faster than firefox [05:08] <buz> i dont think its a gecko problem as much as xul [05:13] <vincentmx> druk ineens [05:14] <jpowers> buz: konqi may be faster than firefox but there are quite a few sites out there that just don't work with konqi [05:14] <martinjh99> Congrats on getting 3.4.2 out... :) [05:17] <buz> yes [05:17] <buz> and no extensions in konq [05:17] <mart> konq has extensions [05:18] <jpowers> I use konqi for most stuff, but I still have to keep firefox around as backup [05:18] <mart> konq-plugins - plugins for Konqueror, the KDE file/web/doc browser [05:18] <mart> konqueror-nsplugins - Netscape plugin support for Konqueror [05:18] <mart> konq-speaker - text-to-speech plugins for Konqueror and Kate [05:19] <buz> i was referring to XUL extensions rather than binary plugins [05:19] <buz> think webdeveloper toolbar [05:19] <buz> or flashblock [05:19] <buz> which is rather invaluable [05:19] <mart> konq has different plugins [05:19] <buz> sure [05:19] <buz> but nothing like firefox extensions [05:20] <martinjh99> I dont bother using konqi for web browsing - Much prefer Firefox meself... ;) [05:20] <buz> yeah me too [05:20] <mart> buz: so use firefox if it's better for you [05:20] <buz> but konqi is faster [05:21] <buz> and firefox crqashed twice today [05:21] <mart> then go code your plugins for konq then [05:21] <buz> i might be a student but i dont have unlimited time ;) [05:22] <mart> likewise the konq devs [05:22] <martinjh99> Guys I want to try out juk as my media player do I need another package to play mp3's? [05:25] <laser_tk> When upgrading kde 3.4.1 to 3.4.2 apt-get says: The following packages cannot be authenticated. Continue installing? [05:25] <martinjh99> laser - Its fine don't worry about it/// [05:25] <laser_tk> ok [05:26] <martinjh99> Why would it want to install tex though?? *Boggles* [05:28] <mart> for kile, maybe [05:28] <martinjh99> Could be yeah - I have a feeling its installing more this time than it did from stock kubuntu to 3.4.1 ... [05:29] <frank> so kde 3.4.2 is out [05:29] <martinjh99> Yup it is frank - UPgrading as we speak... ;) [05:29] <frank> any problems with it [05:29] <martinjh99> Look in the channel topic... [05:29] <martinjh99> Dont know yet... [05:31] <mart> excellent, I try and upgrade kdvi and it offers to remove some gnome stuff [05:31] <mart> all upgrades should be like this [05:33] <mart> and it fixes the bug [05:36] <frank> I wonder why it has to install things like noatun. I didn.t have it before [05:39] <martinjh99> Frank> Not a clue... I just did a dist-upgrade... [05:41] <frank> apt should have a patch system where it can download only a patch and not the whole thing all over again [05:41] <martinjh99> Frank> Good idea - I mean it took me 20mins to download 3.4.2... [05:42] <frank> its not much of an issue for fast connection (I don't really care) but people on dialup are real [05:42] <martinjh99> Im on cable so its not much of an issue for me as you say... [05:42] <JakubS_> kdemultimedia started to depend on noatun for some reason [05:43] <wdh> frank, that would be hard when using binaries :P [05:44] <martinjh99> Right back in a minute or two... ;) KDE 3.4.2 has just been installed ;) [05:44] <JakubS_> damn, i have to remove most of kde* metapackages to avoid installing noatun, ksirc, etc. [05:45] <Mose`> hello [05:45] <frank> JakubS_: I just let it go install what it wanted [05:45] <Mose`> how can i make my Konsole look fully transparent anr borderless? [05:45] <Mose`> *and [05:45] <JakubS_> i don't want to have noatun stealing media files associations [05:46] <martinjh99> Well no probs upgrading here at all... [05:49] <frank> restarting kde... [05:49] <Mose`> how to save Konsole position on screen? [05:51] <insanekane> Mose`: you mean via a program ? [05:51] <insanekane> Mose`: else you can use the advanced settings [05:52] <insanekane> Mose`: window menu -> Advanced -> Special window settings [05:53] <Mose`> mhm, thank you :} [05:55] <frank> Nothing seems to have changed with kde, I giess that;s a good thing! noatun is installed but has no menu entry [05:57] <nikkia> frank, 'kappfinder' is your friend [05:58] <nikkia> altho, to be honest, i don't know if it'll find KDE apps that aren't menu'ed [05:59] <frank> nikkia: I can do the menu entry myself but that's not even the only new media player installed. How many do they think I need? [06:02] <akrus> hello [06:02] <akrus> I need help [06:02] <akrus> I've compiled kernel 2.6.12-3 [06:02] <akrus> and now lilo doesn't work [06:03] <akrus> it says "No partition selected." while loading, and then stops [06:03] <akrus> wow, new kde [06:04] <apokryphos> akrus: only bugfixes, really. [06:04] <akrus> anyway [06:04] <akrus> well, can someone help me with lilo? [06:04] <frank> that's the best kind of fixes [06:05] <frank> With kde 3.4.0 I was bragging to my friend that "linux never crashes" only to have konqueror crash a few times [06:05] <akrus> well [06:05] <akrus> so what's up with lilo? [06:05] <frank> I don't really know lilo [06:06] <akrus> I love grub [06:06] <akrus> but I can't load it [06:06] <akrus> it says: bshell cannot load (or something like this) [06:06] <frank> probably its the lilo equivalent to menu.list in grub [06:06] <Kejk_PL> akrus: can grub have nice image on bachgound> [06:06] <Kejk_PL> ? [06:06] <akrus> Kejk_PL: I think yes :) [06:08] <akrus> lilo says when I'm reloading it: "Fatal: Kernel doesn't support initial RAM disks" [06:08] <frank> magic! I repaired ksysguard applet [06:09] <akrus> well, I should recompile it? [06:09] <frank> is it the stock kernel? [06:09] <akrus> stock? [06:09] <akrus> www.kernel.org [06:10] <frank> I mean packaged by ubuntu? [06:10] <akrus> nope [06:10] <akrus> I've downloaded and compiled it [06:11] <frank> rafting acronym: AMF YOYO - Adios my friend, you're on your own! [06:12] <mart> akrus: you either need to build it with initrd support (probably need to use the kernel-patch-debian stuff) or remove the initrd stuff from your lilo.conf [06:12] <paines> hi [06:13] <paines> could it be that amd64 packages are not yet build for 3.4.2 [06:13] <akrus> well [06:13] <akrus> will it work without initrd? [06:13] <goldfish> hmm yeah knoqueror just crashed there on me, 1st time :( [06:14] <goldfish> frank jinxed me! [06:14] <frank> goldfish: kde 3.4.0? [06:15] <goldfish> good question :) [06:15] <mart> akrus: I use hoary without initrd [06:15] <goldfish> frank: actually, it's not. [06:15] <mart> but I've compiled all the essential stuff into the kernel [06:16] <apokryphos> goldfish: what version? [06:16] <frank> goldfish: which version? and it crashed? I never crashed knoqueror since I updated to kde 3.4.1 [06:16] <akrus> well [06:16] <akrus> I need initrd to load modules? [06:16] <akrus> do I need... [06:16] <akrus> :) [06:16] <akrus> sorry for my english [06:17] <apokryphos> akrus: you may have more luck in #ubuntu regarding grub/lilo issues [06:17] <mart> akrus: no [06:17] <akrus> well, I'll try now [06:17] <akrus> thanks everyone [06:17] <akrus> ubuntu is really nice ^^ [06:17] <mart> akrus: you just need to enable the options in the modules menu in the kernel [06:17] <goldfish> 3.4.1 [06:18] <goldfish> as far as i am aware [06:18] <apokryphos> Konqueror's never had any cosnsistent problem of crashing for me (it maybe has once or twice), regardless of version, but it may be worth upgrading to 3.4.2 [06:18] <mart> akrus, you just need to make sure that all the stuff that you really need to boot is in the kernel, not as a module [06:18] <TestMAD> sweet..342 is out [06:18] <mart> crap, he's gone [06:19] <apokryphos> :S [06:22] <TestMAD> well..bout to try and fix my kubuntu and install the nvidia drivers.. [06:22] <TestMAD> brb. [06:27] <patrick> back [06:27] <patrick> it seems that upgrading to KDE 3.4.2 killed my internet connection.. [06:28] <patrick> had to reinstall Kubuntu [06:30] <apokryphos> I really don't know why people see "reinstall Kubuntu" as an option [06:31] <mart> apokryphos: because so many people are used to win32? :) [06:31] <apokryphos> and upgrading to 3.4.2 could not possibly not allow your computer to access the Internet, it doesn't touch that stuff [06:31] <apokryphos> mart: true [06:31] <patrick> I tried to change the settings... [06:31] <patrick> didn't work [06:32] <patrick> I don't dual boot [06:32] <apokryphos> your Internet disconnected after you logged out of KDE? [06:33] <patrick> I finished downloading everything then I rebooted - everything was fine [06:33] <apokryphos> no need to reboot, for one. [06:33] <patrick> it cut me off for some reason [06:33] <apokryphos> just relogin [06:33] <patrick> oh [06:33] <patrick> I have to download again [06:34] <mart> download what again? [06:34] <patrick> KDE 3.4.2 [06:34] <mart> apt will be normally be fine if you interrupt it [06:35] <mart> it caches your downloads [06:35] <mart> and will resume properly [06:35] <patrick> Not if I formatter my HDs [06:35] <apokryphos> mart: I don't think it was that his apt was interrupted [06:35] <patrick> formatted* [06:35] <patrick> it wasn't [06:36] <patrick> it just couldn't connect to the Net [06:36] <mart> which options did you change? [06:36] <apokryphos> do you use a modem? [06:36] <patrick> no [06:36] <patrick> I didn't change any options [06:36] <apokryphos> you must have made some other network changes before installing new kde/rebooting. KDE wouldn't touch the Internet [06:37] <patrick> hmm.. [06:37] <mart> else the mirror you were using died, perhaps? [06:37] <patrick> it finished downloading [06:37] <mart> and unpacked/installed? [06:37] <patrick> yes [06:37] <apokryphos> try upgrading again -- add new repo, update, then upgrade [06:38] <patrick> I did [06:38] <patrick> it's doing so now [06:38] <apokryphos> ok, then you just need to relogin. [06:38] <patrick> right [06:40] <apokryphos> the only time you ever need to reboot is when you wanna put a new kernel or do a full dist-upgrade. For everything else you should be fine to either kill X, or just relogin [06:40] <patrick> have to do that in October then.. [06:41] <apokryphos> yeah, or sooner. [06:41] <mart> hence: [06:41] <mart> > $ uptime [06:41] <mart> > 17:40:35 up 24 days, 1:48,... [06:42] <apokryphos> most I've seen so far is 365 days, I believe. [06:42] <apokryphos> (not mine) [06:43] <mart> yeah, but 24 days isn't bad given my install logs say I only installed kubuntu on Jun 27 :) [06:43] <apokryphos> heh. I generally don't seem to go more than 4/5 days. Feel guilty after hearing that it takes 5 full powerstations to run the computers of America-users when they're not using them :| [06:44] <apokryphos> desktop users that is, I believe. Something like that, anyhow. [06:45] <mart> apokryphos: surely not an American who cares about the environment!?! [06:45] <apokryphos> mart: I'm a Londoner :P [06:46] <patrick> me too [06:46] <mart> ah, the big bullseye in the south [06:52] <supernix> /uptime [06:53] <supernix> hmmmm [06:53] <goldfish> :) [06:54] <supernix> hmmm my command aliases aren't working now [06:54] <supernix> Uptime: 2 days, 18 hours and 18 minutes [06:54] <supernix> hmmm well maybe they are [06:57] <supernix> hey guys anyone know of any exploits that might have been found in the last month ? [06:57] <goldfish> anyone ever have the problem of downloading a file with konqueror the status is at 100% from the beginning? [06:57] <mart> supernix: zlib, mysql [06:57] <supernix> what can they cause ? [06:58] <mart> zlib, could be anything, everything uses it [06:58] <supernix> bbl mart thanks for your assistance boss is ragging me to get something else done [06:58] <mart> heh [07:13] <testmad> how do i stop x? [07:14] <mart> testmad: log out [07:14] <testmad> umm..from console [07:14] <goldfish> ? [07:14] <goldfish> get the pid and kill it [07:14] <mart> testmad: /etc/init.d/kdm stop [07:14] <testmad> k. [07:14] <testmad> im installing nvidia drivers.yea.. [07:14] <mart> assuming you're using kdm, of course [07:15] <goldfish> you know when u run kaffiene for the first time, can u get that install screen back again? [07:17] <il_padrino> hi [07:17] <il_padrino> i need help [07:17] <il_padrino> how have a kde.dekstop [07:17] <il_padrino> pls [07:17] <il_padrino> :P [07:19] <patrick> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [07:21] <testmad> how do i get gcc? [07:21] <testmad> i should already have it tho right.. [07:21] <patrick> sudo apt-get install g++ ? [07:22] <testmad> or should i just install build-essentials? [07:22] <goldfish> build-essentials [07:22] <testmad> k [07:22] <patrick> yeah [07:22] <il_padrino> patrick, [07:22] <patrick> yeah? [07:22] <il_padrino> but kubuntu-desktop install kdm [07:22] <il_padrino> and i have gdm [07:22] <il_padrino> :P [07:23] <patrick> so use kdm when it asks you [07:23] <patrick> it asks you when you finish downloading kubuntu-desktop [07:23] <testmad> ok.now i need the source for my kernel.. [07:23] <testmad> how do i get that? [07:24] <patrick> i have no idea :-/ [07:24] <mart> it's packaged [07:24] <il_padrino> patrick, xD [07:24] <il_padrino> tnx [07:24] <testmad> apt-get install linux-k7-source? [07:24] <patrick> :) [07:24] <mart> you expect me to guess what kernel you're using? [07:25] <testmad> im using the k7 kernel [07:25] <jjesse> what version of k7, k7 is amd right? [07:25] <testmad> yea [07:26] <jjesse> so version 2.X.X of the k7 version do you have installed? [07:26] <testmad> and how do i see what version of kernel i got? [07:26] <patrick> Control Panel [07:26] <testmad> umm..in cosole [07:26] <patrick> Centre* [07:27] <patrick> kernel --verison ? [07:27] <testmad> i cnt use x right now..need the nvidia drivers installed first [07:27] <testmad> didnt werk [07:27] <patrick> version* [07:27] <delltony> uname -a [07:27] <patrick> typo :( [07:28] <testmad> hmm.. [07:28] <testmad> still seeing the old kernel.. [07:28] <testmad> gotta reboot [07:28] <mart> er, you should be able to get x working without the nvidea binary drivers [07:28] <testmad> brb [07:30] <testmad> back.. [07:31] <testmad> 2.6.10-5-k7 [07:31] <testmad> thats what i got [07:31] <jjesse> so you have version 2.6.10 of the linux kernel compiled for K7 [07:32] <testmad> yea [07:32] <testmad> how do i stop x again [07:32] <testmad> i need to write that down [07:33] <testmad> n/m [07:33] <testmad> i got it [07:33] <testmad> but how do i get source? [07:34] <mart> testmad: get the package with the source [07:34] <testmad> what do you mean? [07:34] <mart> there's a package, and it contains the source code for the linux kernel [07:34] <testmad> i know that [07:34] <mart> so install it [07:34] <testmad> but i dont know what to type [07:35] <patrick> I have one error [07:35] <testmad> ive tried sudo apt-get install linux-k7-source [07:35] <testmad> thats all.. [07:35] <testmad> but i dont know the packages name [07:35] <patrick> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary1_all.deb (--unpack): [07:35] <patrick> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf [07:35] <patrick> oppss [07:35] <patrick> sorry [07:35] <mart> there's no package with that name [07:35] <testmad> i know that nowl. [07:35] <mart> apt-cache search linux-source [07:36] <testmad> ok..thnx [07:36] <mart> it's not like there's gonna be a separate package for the k7 source [07:36] <testmad> i think there is [07:36] <mart> architecture is just a compile option [07:36] <mart> testmad: well let me know when you find it :) [07:38] <testmad> i found itt [07:38] <testmad> installign headers now [07:40] <mart> testmad: headers != source, you asked for the package with source [07:40] <testmad> sorry [07:40] <testmad> but it compiled and installed [07:40] <testmad> thnx for the help [07:41] <hussam> why are the packages of kde 3.4.2 missing kdeartwork? will it be uploaded later on? [07:41] <Jeezis> how would i restart the artsd sound server? [07:41] <patrick> got to work [07:42] <patrick> got it to work* [07:45] <patrick> relogging in [07:45] <patrick> i hope this works.. [07:47] <patrick> okay [07:48] <patrick> the control center's gone missing [07:49] <patrick> wb [07:50] <ztonzy> wee [07:50] <ztonzy> upgrading to kde 3.4.2 [07:51] <patrick> i just did [07:51] <HostingGeek> il_padrino: hey [07:52] <HostingGeek> il_padrino: do you mind being banned from #vhcs I want to ban *.cl as there have been some cases of annoyence from that zone [07:53] <HostingGeek> il_padrino: you where one of the only people that is using .cl on this network... [07:56] <HostingGeek> hmmm [07:56] <HostingGeek> bit weird... [07:56] <HostingGeek> cya fellows [07:56] <patrick> bye [07:57] <HostingGeek> your going to like my part message ;) [07:58] <ztonzy> when is it needed to do 'apt-get dist-upgrade' ? [07:58] <jpatrick> if you want breezy [07:58] <mart> ztonzy: in general, when a package needs to be removed in order to upgrade other packages [07:59] <jpatrick> oh [07:59] <ztonzy> mart: ah, so rarely? [07:59] <mart> ztonzy: yes, quite rarely [08:00] <mart> ztonzy: you need to be very careful when you do dist-upgrades to check that nothing important is being removed [08:00] <jpatrick> have you finished downloading [08:00] <jpatrick> ? [08:00] <ztonzy> mart: I guess... [08:00] <mart> but you don't have this worry when you just upgrade [08:00] <ztonzy> jpatrick: asking me ? [08:01] <ztonzy> I dont...I just upgrading kde [08:01] <jpatrick> you have KDE 3.4.2? [08:01] <ztonzy> or updating... [08:01] <ztonzy> jpatrick: soon [08:01] <jpatrick> :) okay [08:01] <ztonzy> the server was slow compared to my connection :) [08:02] <ztonzy> the server could be 10 times faster if it was possible...I got 24/1 mbit/s ADSL [08:03] <ztonzy> brb :) [08:08] <Zactivix|Zzz> hello? [08:09] <Zactivix> :| [08:10] <ztonzy> hmm [08:10] <ztonzy> how to fix the settings control as to look as a list and not as iconview [08:10] <ztonzy> after upgraded to kde 3.4.2 [08:12] <testmad> ok..think i got it all fixed.. [08:12] <testmad> reboot [08:12] <jake1> ok.. so i am trying to compile something from source, but it appears i do not have a C compiler.... any suggestions of which i should use [08:13] <jpatrick> I only know C++ [08:14] <jpatrick> try searching.. [08:16] <jjesse> install gcc i think it is [08:17] <testmad> now this is nice [08:17] <testmad> before..i was getting 350 fps in glxgears..now im getting 657. [08:17] <testmad> fullscreen [08:19] <Zactivix> anyone know of a good FTP client? [08:19] <Zactivix> and where I can get one for Kubuntu? [08:19] <jpatrick> KGet [08:20] <Zactivix> adonde es? [08:20] <jpatrick> sudo apt-get install kget [08:20] <Zactivix> haa [08:20] <Zactivix> I mean, aha [08:20] <Zactivix> thank you. [08:20] <jpatrick> there's a spanish channel -> #kubuntu-es [08:21] <testmad> ok..i never noticed this before..but when i ddrag a window around on my screen..it leaves trails [08:21] <Zactivix> haha I'm not Hispanic [08:21] <jpatrick> wow. :P [08:21] <Zactivix> just messing around. [08:21] <jpatrick> okay :) [08:21] <Zactivix> geez, never took spanish in high school? [08:21] <Zactivix> :P [08:21] <jpatrick> I'm not Hispanic but I live there [08:22] <Zactivix> so... what if I forgot my admin PW? :( [08:22] <Zactivix> I remember my one for DSL [08:22] <ztonzy> hmm [08:22] <Zactivix> but am @ a loss for my kubuntu one [08:22] <ztonzy> KDE 3.4.2 feels faster ? [08:22] <ztonzy> I think it does [08:22] <jpatrick> yes [08:23] <Zactivix> both run very fast, but 2 dif systems. [08:23] <Zactivix> one PII266 for DSL [08:23] <hussam> anybody noticed spellcheck does not work on kopete in kde 3.4.2? can somebody check this? [08:23] <Zactivix> and my main PC 2.0Ghz Athlon runs Kubuntu [08:23] <ztonzy> jpatrick: it is faster than 3.4.1 ? [08:23] <jpatrick> Zactivix: http://ubuntuguide.org/#changerootpasswordforgotten [08:23] <Zactivix> aha thanks, jp [08:23] <Zactivix> again [08:24] <jpatrick> ztonzy: maybe it's because I now a 1GB swap partition :p [08:24] <ztonzy> ehhe [08:24] <jpatrick> I now have* [08:24] <ztonzy> jpatrick: I already have that, with my 512MB RAM [08:24] <Zactivix> I can't access that grub> prompt... [08:24] <hussam> can somebody check for me if spellcheck in kopete works in kde 3.4.2 ? [08:25] <jpatrick> I have 128MB RAM [08:25] <Zactivix> I tried putting in md5crypt in, but it says command not fonud. [08:25] <Zactivix> *found [08:25] <jpatrick> I was considering 2GB swap [08:26] <Zactivix> actually I just got in the boot/grub dir [08:26] <Zactivix> and tried it again [08:26] <Zactivix> but no dice. [08:26] <jpatrick> hmm... [08:26] <Zactivix> md5crypt still to be found. [08:28] <ztonzy> jpatrick: is even faster ? [08:28] <jpatrick> yes. :D [08:28] <jpatrick> Now I just need to know where I can find NFS [08:29] <jpatrick> It won't let me share with NFS [08:29] <jpatrick> just Samba [08:30] <testmad> anyone here got experience messing with grub? [08:30] <testmad> i wanna edit it and not mess things up [08:30] <testmad> so i want a little help [08:31] <jpatrick> maybe shadows might work now.. [08:34] <jeanluc> chicago-1.il.us.undernet.org [08:34] <jpatrick> ? [08:35] <frank> testmad: I have a bit of experience... [08:36] <testmad> i got it frank [08:36] <testmad> i think [08:36] <testmad> only a reboot will tell [08:36] <testmad> brb [08:43] <testmad> frank: its werkin. [08:43] <testmad> thnx for offreing to help tho [08:44] <testmad> now..how do i see what my ehternet devices are? [08:44] <testmad> cus i have 2 of them..but only one is working. i need to find out whaat the other one is so i can install the appropriate drive [08:45] <testmad> i think its the marvell/yukon but not sure [08:52] <testmad> hmm..y is that when i runs lspci..everything comes up as unkown device? [08:53] <ilba7r> hi I installed arabic language support and arabic fonts. I can now login using the arabic language. I can also switch to righting from right to left in open office. My problem is even when i use arabic fonts whatever i right is still in english! is there any more setting i have to do ? And Yes i installed openoffice-ar pack [08:56] <ilba7r> hi I installed arabic language support and arabic fonts. I can now login using the arabic language. I can also switch to righting from right to left in open office. My problem is even when i use arabic fonts whatever i right is still in english! is there any more setting i have to do ? And Yes i installed openoffice-ar pack [08:58] <hussam> I have problem with kde 3.4.2 spellcheck does nor work under kopete 0.10.3 under kde 3.4.2. anybody's having a similar problem? [08:59] <ztonzy> wee...I enjoy 3.4.2 [09:00] <slicslak> anyone use kmail? can you label mail w/ colors ala thunderbird? [09:01] <hussam> ztonzy: can you help me by checking if spellcheck works in you kopete? [09:01] <hussam> ztonzy: you* kopete? [09:01] <hussam> your [09:01] <ztonzy> hussam: hmm I dont use kopete , but gaim [09:02] <ztonzy> hussam: for kde 3.4.2 ? [09:02] <hussam> yes [09:02] <ztonzy> hmm [09:03] <ztonzy> dont even know if I have spellcheck turned on in (when using...) kopete [09:03] <testmad> can anyone help me with my lspci listing? [09:04] <testmad> everything says unkown device..is that ok? seeing as how everything works except one ethernet port.. [09:04] <hussam> ztonzy: it should be on by default but it's saying it's disabled. there is not way of enabling it. [09:05] <ilba7r> hussam try in command line runwithaspell [09:06] <ilba7r> let me check the correct command for you [09:06] <ilba7r> run-with-aspell [09:06] <hussam> "kopete runwithaspell" ? [09:06] <ilba7r> run-with-aspell kopete [09:06] <hussam> so I run "kopete run-with-aspell"? [09:07] <hussam> oh ok [09:07] <ilba7r> i know but this will force it to use it if it is dissbled [09:07] <ztonzy> hussam: seems to work here...swedish spellcheck [09:08] <hussam> let me get back to my kubuntu machine. I'm on the other machine. I'll be back in a minute. [09:15] <jpatrick> Can someone tell me the command for Control Center in Menu Editor? [09:16] <NDService> kcontrol? [09:16] <jpatrick> I did that [09:17] <jpatrick> keeps saying cannot write configuration [09:34] <henning> someone who can help me with compiling? [09:34] <jpatrick> what language? [09:35] <henning> when I type ./configure, then it tells me that the c compiler can't create executables [09:35] <jpatrick> C? [09:35] <henning> I think ;) [09:36] <henning> I'm trying to compile SuperKaramba [09:36] <jpatrick> what compiler do you have? [09:36] <henning> gcc ? [09:36] <jpatrick> do you have the source files? [09:37] <jpatrick> or is this something you downloaded? [09:37] <henning> yes, I just need the compiler [09:37] <jpatrick> try: gcc -o <name> <name>.c [09:38] <jpatrick> grr.. [09:38] <jpatrick> wrong thing.. I think [09:38] <henning> ehm?... Why can I just do the ./configure then make and then make install ? [09:38] <jpatrick> do that [09:38] <henning> It used to work [09:39] <henning> but when I type in ./configure IN the source DIR, then it fails [09:41] <henning> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables [09:41] <henning> that is the output I get :( [09:41] <henning> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables [09:42] <jpatrick> sudo apt-get install gcc [09:42] <henning> done that [09:42] <jpatrick> :-/ [09:43] <tech> try sudo apt-get install build-essential [09:44] <alexmic> Hi all [09:44] <henning> tech: trying it now... [09:46] <henning> :-o Working :) [09:46] <henning> i think... [09:46] <tech> I'm a genius. [09:46] <tech> :D [09:46] <henning> but thanks anyway, now i don't get the compile error :D [09:47] <henning> yes indeed, maybe more like a gure og linux-god ;P [09:47] <henning> guru* [09:47] <ilba7r> is there an onscreen keyboard in ubuntu like in windows [09:48] <henning> cya!... [09:48] <alexmic> I am trying to setup a wacom tablet (unsupported though) so i had to patch some source files and reconfigure and compile those files... [09:48] <alexmic> The problem is that at config I get an error about Xorg-SDK. (first time I hear about it). I don't find any package on it nor doc on google and the file xf86Version.h is missing... what should i do?? [09:49] <jeanluc> hi [09:49] <jeanluc> can some one help me? [09:49] <Kovecses> jeanluc, whats the prob [09:49] <jeanluc> no sound [09:49] <Kovecses> ok [09:49] <jeanluc> in cds or system sounds [09:49] <jeanluc> :( I can't figure out what happened. [09:49] <Kovecses> it worked before? [09:50] <jeanluc> speakers work sound card works in windows so its not a hardware prob [09:50] <jpatrick> most people have no sound [09:50] <jeanluc> I want sound [09:50] <alexmic> Does anyone knows the common path to xorg sdk and/or the package i should install? [09:50] <Kovecses> jeanluc, you have to get the latest version of alsa and compile it [09:50] <jeanluc> how would I do that [09:50] <jeanluc> I am a complete noob [09:50] <jpatrick> hopefully it should be fixed in October... [09:51] <Kovecses> ok [09:52] <Kovecses> jeanluc, first you need to go to alsa's web site..... get the alsa driver the alsa library the alsa utils and the alsa oss [09:52] <jpatrick> too late [09:52] <jpatrick> :-/ [09:52] <jpatrick> wb [09:52] <jeanluc> sorry [09:52] <jeanluc> back now [09:52] <jpatrick> [21:52] <Kovecses> jeanluc, first you need to go to alsa's web site..... get the alsa driver the alsa library the alsa utils and the alsa oss [09:52] <Kovecses> jeanluc, first you need to go to alsa's web site..... get the alsa driver the alsa library the alsa utils and the alsa oss [09:53] <Kovecses> oops [09:53] <jpatrick> oppss [09:53] <jpatrick> :) [09:53] <jeanluc> rrr [09:53] <jeanluc> i [09:53] <jeanluc> sick of this in kubuntu I really like it but it should be able to play mp3 w/o tweaking. [09:53] <jpatrick> I don't have sound [09:54] <jeanluc> and .wav .ogg [09:54] <Kovecses> its not that hard [09:54] <Kovecses> i couldn't live without sound [09:54] <jeanluc> well [09:54] <jpatrick> nor can I [09:54] <jeanluc> Ive tried for a bout a month to play mp3 [09:54] <jeanluc> but nothing works [09:54] <Kovecses> so go get those files [09:54] <jeanluc> so im thinking of going to mandrake [09:54] <Kovecses> i can send them if you want [09:54] <jeanluc> mandriva [09:54] <jpatrick> which files? [09:55] <Kovecses> jeanluc, if sound dont work in ubuntu it wonk work in mandrake....mandrake sucks [09:55] <Kovecses> the alsa files [09:55] <jeanluc> well [09:55] <jeanluc> im sooo fucking sick of kubuntu [09:55] <Kovecses> all you have to do is upgrade alsa [09:55] <jpatrick> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa/ftp/driver/ ? [09:55] <jpatrick> :-O [09:55] <jeanluc> dammit [09:55] <jeanluc> whichone? [09:56] <Kovecses> i told you which ones [09:56] <jeanluc> theres a million [09:56] <Kovecses> no no no ...your at the wrong page [09:56] <jpatrick> og [09:56] <jpatrick> oh* [09:56] <jpatrick> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa/ftp/ ? [09:56] <Kovecses> wrong page [09:56] <jpatrick> :( [09:56] <Kovecses> go to the alsa homepage [09:57] <jpatrick> yep [09:57] <jpatrick> -> http://www.alsa-project.org/ [09:57] <Kovecses> yup [09:57] <jpatrick> then... [09:57] <Kovecses> now on the right you see all the downoads [09:58] <jpatrick> the right? [09:58] <Kovecses> it says 1.0.9b [09:58] <hussam> I still can't get spellcheck to work on kopete in kde 3.4.2 anybody can help? [09:58] <jpatrick> ok [09:58] <Kovecses> next to driver [09:58] <Kovecses> get that [09:58] <jpatrick> yes [09:58] <Kovecses> and [09:58] <jpatrick> got it [09:58] <Kovecses> library [09:58] <Kovecses> and utilities [09:58] <Kovecses> and OSS [09:59] <jpatrick> ok [09:59] <Kovecses> then unpack them using ark i [09:59] <Kovecses> then unpack them using ark [09:59] <jeanluc> rrr [09:59] <jeanluc> fuck me [09:59] <jpatrick> :-O [09:59] <jeanluc> I hate this distro [09:59] <Kovecses> why [09:59] <Kovecses> cuz you cant use sound [10:00] <jeanluc> every thing is fine [10:00] <Kovecses> is this your first linux distro [10:00] <jeanluc> except for my fucking audio [10:00] <jeanluc> yes [10:00] <jpatrick> you left out the ? [10:00] <jeanluc> except redhat [10:00] <jeanluc> so 2nd [10:00] <Kovecses> jean......why is it so badd? [10:00] <jeanluc> should support mp3 [10:00] <jeanluc> thats all I want [10:00] <Kovecses> IT DOES [10:00] <jeanluc> and I would be happy [10:00] <jeanluc> upon install [10:01] <frank> it cant legally do that from the start [10:01] <Kovecses> it supports mp3 straight out of thwe box [10:01] <Kovecses> mine did [10:01] <jeanluc> mine doesn't [10:01] <jeanluc> and ive tweaked [10:01] <testmad> how do i enable DMA on boot? [10:01] <jpatrick> so fix it [10:01] <jeanluc> and tweaked [10:01] <jeanluc> but [10:01] <jeanluc> NOTHING [10:01] <jeanluc> rrr im soo pissed [10:01] <Kovecses> dude wtf [10:01] <Kovecses> what did you try [10:01] <frank> testmad: this the 2nd time I tell you this, I think: edit /etc/hdparm.conf [10:01] <jpatrick> I take the "what the heck" route [10:02] <Kovecses> all you have to do is download a player like xmms and mp3 will work fine [10:02] <jeanluc> no [10:02] <testmad> ah..ok.. [10:02] <jeanluc> I have xmms [10:02] <Kovecses> YES [10:02] <testmad> thnx frank [10:02] <jeanluc> bmp [10:02] <jeanluc> NONE OF THEM WORK [10:02] <Kovecses> its cuz your sound doesnt work [10:02] <jeanluc> no it used to [10:02] <jeanluc> rrr [10:02] <stibby> can i get amarok 1.3 through apt? [10:02] <Kovecses> it used to!!!!!!!!!!! [10:02] <jeanluc> sudo apt-get install amarok [10:02] <jpatrick> with backports enabled [10:02] <jeanluc> mp3 never worked [10:02] <jeanluc> .wav only [10:03] <Kovecses> do me a favor buddy go back to windows.....linux is not for u [10:03] <jeanluc> no [10:03] <jpatrick> yeah [10:03] <jeanluc> kubuntu [10:03] <stibby> how do i enable backports? [10:03] <jpatrick> you do that [10:03] <jeanluc> kubuntu is not for me redhat is [10:03] <jpatrick> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php [10:03] <Kovecses> my mp3 worked straight out of the box for me [10:03] <frank> then red hat: whatever works [10:03] <jeanluc> good for you! [10:03] <Kovecses> implaying one right now [10:03] <jpatrick> I've untarred the files... [10:04] <paines> hi [10:04] <nikkia> oh ffs [10:04] <Kovecses> fedora doesnt support mp3 [10:04] <jpatrick> good bye [10:04] <nikkia> i've been sat here for 10 minutes trying to work out why i can't get arts and jack connected.... [10:04] <paines> any idea when amd64 are ready for kde 3.4.2 [10:05] <testmad> can i just use hda,hdb,hdc instead of hda1, hdb1,etc..etc..? [10:05] <Kovecses> god damn [10:05] <frank> paines: I don't know if amd64 gets the updates for kde. amd64 doesn't have backports, so maybe not [10:05] <frank> testmad: for dma? [10:05] <testmad> yea [10:05] <frank> testmad: for it has to be the drives [10:06] <frank> so /dev/hdc [10:06] <Kovecses> anybody else have mp3 issues like he did? [10:06] <testmad> k [10:06] <frank> paines: I used to run amd64 and let me tell you that i386 is heaven compared to it. [10:06] <testmad> what about dma on hd? [10:06] <testmad> harddrives? [10:07] <Kovecses> i just got cedega from limewire.......hehehe [10:07] <frank> testmad: I think that is enabbled by default [10:07] <frank> testmad: not too sure though [10:07] <pax> gotta chose between a great cpu or up-to-date system ::evilgrin:: [10:08] <frank> pax: well i386 on athlon64 still performs pretty damn well! [10:09] <pax> frank that proves that the latest is not always the greatest :p [10:10] <jpatrick> I hope this works [10:10] <jpatrick> wb [10:10] <jpatrick> so I just do ./configure ? [10:11] <jpatrick> no! [10:11] <pax> hussam: what's up ammo :) [10:12] <hussam> pax: hey man. [10:12] <hussam> pax: how do I enable automatic spell check in applications using aspell? any idea? [10:13] <pax> ew good question, I never use aspell, sorry [10:13] <hussam> do you use kopete? [10:13] <nikkia> ddddddd [10:14] <nikkia> oops [10:14] <pax> la2 [10:14] <hussam> oh ok [10:17] <frank> I just figured out something. The reason I can see alot of full names here is because people are using kde irc clients [10:19] <onewing> hello, i enabled the transparency effects on my user, and how it hangs the system at the end of my KDE splash screen [10:19] <pax> franky, whatcha mean [10:19] <onewing> anyone know how to change that back to normal? i can log in as root [10:20] <stibby> can anyone think of a way to convert midi into mp3? [10:23] <onewing> sorry if im repeating, but my system hung [10:23] <onewing> i enabled tranparency effects in my normal user [10:23] <onewing> now when i try to log in as it, it hangs at the end of my KDE splashscreen [10:24] <onewing> is there anyway i can change the tranparency effects back to being disabled for that user? [10:25] <insanekane> stibby: use arts-builder for that i guess [10:35] <testmad> WTF?!?! Noatun [10:35] <testmad> what is this [10:36] <testmad> does kdat work with the old colorado 120's? [10:37] <testmad> cus i got one of them still and bout 80 tapes for it [10:39] <porinne> hi [10:40] <porinne> is somebody there ? [10:40] <testmad> i am [10:40] <insanekane> yes [10:41] <hussam> pax: did you upgrade to kde 3.4.2? [10:41] <porinne> could somebody help me to install skype on kubuntu 64 ? [10:45] <testmad> i cant [10:45] <testmad> sorry [10:45] <testmad> n/m [10:45] <testmad> left allready [10:47] <testmad> is there a way to change file associations all at once.. [10:47] <testmad> instead of going thru and changing every one. [10:47] <testmad> i just dont like naotun [10:47] <testmad> err..whatever it is. [10:50] <_radu> did anywone tested the new kde 3.4.2 ? [10:50] <testmad> im using it [10:50] <Happy> how do I move one file to another directory in consle [10:50] <nikkia> right, thats a nice kdm theme setup [10:50] <Happy> sudo mv file file? [10:50] <nikkia> and KDE configured to properly use and start jack :) [10:51] <testmad> nikkia: what theme? [10:51] <nikkia> testmad, a heavily modified 'shuttle' [10:51] <testmad> heh [10:51] <_radu> is it good enough to upgrade from the 3.4 ? i heard that there bug fixes .... is it realy so debuged? [10:52] <nikkia> testmad, the hard part was making a ksplash theme to suit it :) [10:52] <testmad> ksplash? it has one [10:52] <testmad> i thought [10:52] <nikkia> testmad, eh? [10:52] <jpatrick> i'm off [10:52] <nikkia> testmad, for 'shuttle' no, there's not, not on kde-look anyway [10:53] <testmad> ok.i see kdm theme and splash screen [10:53] <_radu> okay , so after i add that crap (lines) to the sources.list , what do i have to do to install kde 3.4.2 [10:53] <_radu> ? [10:53] <testmad> but..its not for shuttle i gues [10:53] <testmad> cus it looks nothing like the theme [10:53] <nikkia> testmad, no, different shuttle :P [10:54] <nikkia> testmad, i basically just created a new theme based on redmond (ie, similar behaviour to kubuntu's splash) [10:55] <esac> how can i install the 7667 nvidia drivers ? I don't see them with the added repositories [10:55] <nikkia> testmad, copied across shuttle's background for it, then moved the text position and changed the colours :) [10:55] <testmad> cool [10:56] <_radu> uh boy , it seems like i dont have much chances to install it tonight [10:56] <_radu> :) [10:57] <fcobra> hola [11:02] <fcobra> :-))) [11:05] <testmad> well..back to xp.. [11:09] <TestMAD> nikkia: y is that that when i lspci everything says unkown device? [11:10] <TestMAD> it even says that on the nvidia cards but i have the nvidia drivers installed..i actually mangaed to figure out how to compile them [11:13] <nikkia> testmad, because lspci can't find the pci vendor/device database ? [11:14] <TestMAD> hmm [11:14] <nikkia> testmad it should be, /usr/share/pci.ids iirc [11:14] <TestMAD> so how do i go about fixing it? [11:15] <nikkia> testmad 'sudo update-pciids' [11:15] <TestMAD> ahh [11:15] <TestMAD> ill have to try that when iget back onto kubuntu [11:17] <nikkia> i'm tempted to say its a touch faster than kubuntu too [11:17] <nikkia> firefox certainly is :) [11:17] <TestMAD> make me a distro and send it my way [11:17] <TestMAD> hehe [11:18] <nikkia> testmad, my two main goals for going LFS have been fullfilled... [11:18] <nikkia> 1) have full support for my printer, 2) use jack properly for the complete system-wide sound [11:19] <TestMAD> im gonna need help with my mustek scanner oneday [11:19] <TestMAD> now i know who to come to [11:35] <jeanluc> wow [11:36] <jeanluc> everything is frozen except [11:36] <jeanluc> fire fox [11:36] <jeanluc> nvm [11:36] <jeanluc> it fixed its self up I LOVE LINUX [11:39] <_marco> i have a problem compiling wings3d, don't know if this is the right place... [11:41] <_marco> i'm trying with version 0.98.29b [11:41] <_marco> when it tries to compile the "accel" plugin [11:50] <_drac> how do I check if DMA is enabled on a harddrive? [11:50] <_drac> Im getting horribly slow transfer rates from hda1 to sda1 [11:52] <nikkia> drac, sudo hdparm -I /dev/... [11:52] <_drac> ahh hdparm thats what it was [11:52] <_drac> thanks [11:54] <xpower> When i try root commands, x says "sudo: must be setuid root" Meaning? [11:55] <_drac> Are you root? (using sudo passwd root) [11:55] <xpower> I have logged in as a user, maybe my user is set to root? [11:56] <nikkia> drac, more likely permissions on his sudo are wrong [11:56] <_drac> Bleh, HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument [11:56] <nikkia> they should be --s--x--x [11:56] <xpower> Cant open Kuser.. :( [11:56] <nikkia> drac, on hda ? [11:56] <_drac> yes nikkia [11:56] <_drac> using hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda [11:56] <nikkia> drac, odd, maybe you don't have a DMA-capable IDE controller as far as the kernel is concerned ? [11:57] <_drac> Humm maybe [11:57] <_drac> I need to recompile to a newer one anyway [11:57] <_drac> yup [11:57] <_drac> just googled it, kernel doenst have default support for intel chipset [11:57] <xpower> sudo [11:58] <nikkia> hmm, it did for my i845, is it a i915 or something ? [11:58] <_drac> i875PE [11:58] <_drac> ICH5 [11:58] <nikkia> ah [11:58] <nikkia> i'm ICH4 i think [11:59] <_drac> aye, I want to get me one of those Pentium D's in the near future

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2024-05-13T23:20:38.331999

2005-08-02-#kubuntu-devel

[12:44] <cartel_> hi guys [12:44] <Riddell> hello cartel_ [12:44] <cartel_> hey riddell does breezy have kde 3.5 testing? [12:45] <Riddell> cartel_: nope [12:45] <Riddell> feel free to make packages :) [01:08] <cartel_> bugger :) [10:02] <JRe> Riddell: it seems that KDE 3.5 will be out about end of october [11:12] <Riddell> JRe: yeah, too late for breezy unfortunatly [11:13] <JRe> :( [11:26] <Riddell> well, I'll make packages :) [11:28] <JRe> Riddell: cooooooool ;) [01:34] <Riddell> any breezy users around? [01:35] <JRe> no [01:36] <JRe> just a chroot :) [01:37] <Riddell> wise man [02:06] <allee> Riddell: yes. I've breezy on my testing box [02:06] <Riddell> allee: could you install arts (-0ubuntu3) [02:07] <Riddell> allee: run killall artsd && artsd and see if it works [02:22] <allee> Riddel: sh*t: x doesn't start: (EE) No Input driver matching `keyboard' Is this known bug? I'll try to fix it [02:22] <Riddell> sounds about right for breezy, although for me it's the fonts that don't work [02:31] <Riddell> allee: does artsd run? (it doesn't need X) [02:33] <allee> Riddell: yes and I can artsplay KDE_Startup.wav [02:45] <Riddell> allee: great, thanks [02:48] <allee> np [03:10] <allee> fwiw driver s/keyboard/kbd/ fixed xorg.conf [03:11] <Riddell> allee: what are your font paths set to? [03:11] <allee> to /usr/share/X11/fonts/<whatever> [03:44] <Riddell> 3.4.2 out http://dot.kde.org/1122553679 [03:44] <JRe> cool [04:02] <KabelKasper> Riddell: Are you the maintainer of the amarok packages? [04:03] <Riddell> KabelKasper: in ubuntu yes [04:04] <KabelKasper> Hmm, what do you think of hiding the 'delete file' entry in right mouse click menu? [04:04] <KabelKasper> I think it's very dangerous and unexpected inside an audioplayer. [04:05] <apokryphos> It's really useful. Qiute liked it -- good integration with KDE. It's not as if it doesn't prompt you to delete... [04:06] <Riddell> that should be move to wastebin [04:07] <Riddell> KabelKasper: did you accidently delete something? [04:07] <KabelKasper> Or it should depend on the option inside kcontrol (for kde) [04:07] <JRe> KabelKasper: amaroK don't have a KCM hopfully [04:08] <JRe> KabelKasper: but i agree it would be better to move to the trash [04:08] <KabelKasper> No not me, not so far. ;) [04:14] <KabelKasper> There is an option in KControl Menu of the 'File Manger' - 'Behavior'"Show 'delete' context menu entries...". Would be cool if it depends on this setting. [04:17] <KabelKasper> Riddell: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ? [04:17] <Riddell> hmm, maybe. I still think a "move to wastebin" would be fine [04:18] <Riddell> KabelKasper: fancy opening a wishlist on bugs.kde.org? [04:23] <KabelKasper> Riddell: I could add it to the wishlist tomorrow, first I have to learn for an examination. [04:24] <KabelKasper> ciao [04:24] <Riddell> good luck [04:25] <KabelKasper> Thanks. I will need luck :) [04:26] <JRe> KabelKasper: so good good luck [07:17] <Riddell> sebas: I'm looking at kdesdk now [07:54] <sebas> Riddell: What's that? :) [07:55] <\sh> Riddell: r u getting all kde bugs automatically assign in bugzilla? [07:55] <\sh> assigned even.. [07:57] <Riddell> \sh: if they go through the kubuntu link on bugzilla they get kubuntu as QA [07:57] <Riddell> think that's the only automatic assignment currently [07:57] <\sh> ah ok.. [10:12] <sebas> Riddell: In which package should libkdeinit_cvsaskpass.so be? [10:12] <sebas> I still don't have it after updating. [10:15] <Riddell> sebas: cervisia [10:25] <sebas> Ah, that didn't upgrade ... [10:26] <sebas> ii cervisia 3.4.2-0ubuntu1 a graphical CVS front end for KDE [10:26] <sebas> I've this one. [10:27] <Riddell> sebas: the german mirror is probably behind [10:28] <Riddell> should be 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu2 [10:29] <sebas> deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/hoary-kde342/ hoary-updates main [10:29] <sebas> I'm using this one, is that the german mirror? [10:29] <Riddell> hmm, no... [10:30] <Riddell> how did that get there [10:30] <Riddell> sebas: on hoary it should be 0ubuntu0hoary2 [10:31] <Riddell> sebas: try an apt-get update now [10:31] <sebas> Yeah, I see it in Packages.gz, it doesn't get updated however. [10:32] <Riddell> sebas: if you have ubuntu1 installed you'll have to apt-get remove it and then apt-get install again [10:32] <sebas> Nothing. [10:33] <sebas> That did it, thx :) [10:35] <Riddell> those ubuntu1 files are a bit spooky. ah well gone now [10:35] <Riddell> thanks for testing sebas [10:35] <sebas> Thanks for fixing.

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.350461

2005-08-22-#ubuntu-meeting

[01:28] <cyphase> hey everyone [06:42] <cyphase> hey everyone [02:04] <jelkner> good morning everyone, there is a meeting about to start here, yes? (i wanted to make sure i didn't drag myself out of bed for naught) [02:05] <Treenaks> jelkner: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingAgendas [02:05] <Treenaks> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar [02:06] <smurfix> jelkner: 1400UTC => in two hours [02:07] <jelkner> smurfix: thanks [02:08] <jelkner> JaneW: i thought we had an edubuntu meeting [02:08] <jelkner> so did paul [02:08] <ogra_> jelkner, yes, in 12h [02:08] <ogra_> youre a bit early [02:08] <ogra_> :) [02:09] <jelkner> btw that one is not on the calendar [02:09] <jelkner> or the MeetingAgendas [02:10] <jelkner> but at least i get to go back to sleep [02:10] <ogra_> tomorrows CD will be our first colony btw.... todays already looks *very* good [02:10] <ogra_> (edubuntu colony indeed, not ubuntu) [02:11] <jbailey> ogra_: Does this mean we still have to avoid uploading today? [02:11] <jelkner> ogra_: excellent, so you think we can start setting up servers with it? [02:11] <ogra_> jelkner, you already can do that today... but with much hassle... [02:12] <ogra_> jbailey, there is no ubuntu colony 3 yet, so i guess you should avoid to upload broken stuff [02:12] <jelkner> i can live with hassle, but i wanted to be sure i *could* get it to work [02:12] <jbailey> Mmm, mdz usually likes people to avoid uploading at all so that the images are consistent. [02:12] <Mithrandir> ogra_: wasn't colony supposed to release yesterday or before that? [02:13] <ogra_> Mithrandir, yes, but #13532 [02:13] <jelkner> and once we do get it to work, i was hoping to be able to apt-get upgrade my way to the final release [02:13] <jelkner> so that i can begin setting up the classroom lab for the fall [02:13] <jbailey> ogra_: That would be bad. =) [02:14] <jbailey> I'd love to get this initramfs-tools in, then. [02:14] <ogra_> jelkner, edubuntu ltsp is already usable... i test it twice a week [02:14] <ogra_> jbailey, do they improve ltsp ? [02:14] <jbailey> ogra_: Yes. [02:14] <jelkner> ogra_: cool! i'll start using it tomorrow [02:14] <ogra_> jelkner, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto [02:15] <ogra_> just follow that one, you can even use it on ubuntu right away... (still needs a network connection to download the client env, but that will change soon to CD) [02:15] <jbailey> ogra_: The improvement is that I now forcible install non-optimised libraries, so if you built the initramfs on an i686 with CMOV and the destination machine doesn't have it (old VIA chips), the initramfs will now work. [02:15] <jelkner> ogra_: the schooltool folks are concerned that 0.10 is still the current version in edubuntu. is there still time to change that? [02:16] <jbailey> ogra_: jammcq and another guy tested for me last night. [02:16] <ogra_> jelkner, i already have mail from mark to update it... i was just busy with fixing moodle and nvu .... [02:16] <ogra_> jbailey, yes, i saw the conversation... but in the end mdz should give approval for uploads before we have a colony out [02:17] <jbailey> ogra_: Yup. Is he the only one? [02:17] <ogra_> i guess so, Kamion has no representative afaik [02:17] <jbailey> 'kay [02:18] <jelkner> well, see you in 12 hours then (jelkner goes back to bed)... [02:18] <jbailey> I'll pounce when I see him log on, then. [02:18] <ogra_> i mean, if youre sure it wont break anything or even unbreak stuf.... [02:19] <jbailey> ogra_: I'm sure to the extent that it runs on 5 different machines. But there's always risk. [02:20] <ogra_> hmm... i guess its up to you to decide if it improves or breaks... [02:20] <ogra_> improvement should go in indeed... [02:20] <jbailey> ogra_: Given the bugs that it fixes, I'd rather see it in. Given that he's mid way through the colony process, I'd rather not interfere. [02:21] <jbailey> So if he's restarting from scratch this morning, I'd cheerfully upload. [02:22] <ogra_> he sadly didnt tell me anything except "there is no colony3 yet ogra" [02:22] <ogra_> which stunned me a bit... since the rameining X bug was fixed yesterday night... so todays daily should have been the colony3 [02:36] <JaneW> jelkner: yes we do [02:37] <JaneW> jelkner at 22:00 [04:25] <Burgundavia> hey all [04:37] <mgalvin> howdy [04:37] <mdke> hello all [04:38] <mgalvin> might as well just start with names for the record [04:38] <mdke> matthew east [04:39] <mgalvin> This special meeting is to discuss what will be used as the front page of yelp [04:39] <mgalvin> so what exactly are all of our options for the front page? [04:40] <mgalvin> faqguide, quicktour,... [04:40] <mdke> we have the option to have a list of documentation or to open it up immediately into a book [04:40] <Burgundavia> we pretty much are only going to able to ship with the faqguide and the quicktour [04:40] <mdke> to some extent it depends on which documents will be released for breezy [04:41] <mgalvin> i took a quick look at the aboutubuntu and releasenotes and we can probably include them in some way if they are still relevant to have [04:41] <mdke> the aboutubuntu document has its own link in the menu right now [04:42] <mdke> what is the idea for the quicktour? [04:42] <Burgundavia> yes [04:42] <mdke> how will that be accessed? [04:43] <Burgundavia> the quicktour is mostly a marketing doc for the web and hand-outs [04:43] <Burgundavia> it can also be linked from the about ubuntu stuff [04:43] <Burgundavia> and the release notes [04:43] <mdke> yeah [04:43] <mdke> well if those are the only documents, it might not be so vital to have an index of documents [04:44] <Burgundavia> yes [04:45] <Burgundavia> given we havea bout 3 weeks left for writing, even the quicktour is going to be a crunch [04:46] <mgalvin> so then maybe the faqquide should just be the front page since the other docs are already linked from other places [04:46] <Burgundavia> if we link the faqguide as the front page, we should a front page for the faqguide that links the other docs (release notes, quicktour, about ubuntu) [04:46] <Burgundavia> that can be really short [04:46] <mgalvin> yes agreed [04:46] <mdke> yes that is a nice idea [04:48] <mdke> obviously this discussion does not apply to Kubuntu [04:48] <mdke> what are the issues there? [04:48] <mgalvin> ok, so faqguide as front page and the faqguide needs another section to link to other docs, this new section should the first thing shown [04:48] <Burgundavia> jjesse would be one to ask [04:49] <Burgundavia> mgalvin, just add a paragraph at the top of the current front page [04:49] <mgalvin> sure [04:51] <mdke> does anyone think that the early sections of the Userguide might be worth releasing [04:51] <Burgundavia> no [04:51] <mdke> they provide a good introduction to what linux, GNU, and Ubuntu is [04:51] <Burgundavia> oh, sure [04:52] <jjesse> sorry was in another window [04:52] <jjesse> i would have to defer to froud on how exactly it works in kubuntu [04:54] <mgalvin> what kubuntu docs are done? [04:54] <mgalvin> or will be ready in time [04:55] <mgalvin> there is very little kubuntu content in the faqguide [04:55] <jjesse> i know the kuserguide won't be [04:55] <jjesse> haven't read thrrough the faqguide lately, but if i recall correctly mgalvin is correct that not much will need to be changed [04:57] <mgalvin> kug kqg krn kak are the docs that get included in kubuntu already with froud weekly build/upload [04:58] <Burgundavia> same as ubuntu then [04:58] <mgalvin> ubuntu only has, rn au faq [04:59] <Burgundavia> qt is qg [04:59] <mgalvin> k [05:00] <Burgundavia> anyone seriously object to using the faqguide as the main page? [05:00] <mdke> nope [05:00] <mgalvin> no objections here [05:00] <Burgundavia> I think jerome was warming to the idea [05:03] <mdke> ok let's defer to the mailing list, given that not a lot of peopl are around [05:03] <Burgundavia> ok [05:03] <mgalvin> ok [05:03] <mdke> anything else people want to discuss? [05:03] <Burgundavia> raise it as "lets make the faqguide the default main page" [05:03] <mgalvin> nope [05:03] <Burgundavia> rather than "what do people want as the default main page" [05:04] <mdke> Burgundavia, so pushy... [05:04] <mgalvin> sounds good, who wants to send the email [05:04] <Burgundavia> mdke, we need to be pushy now [05:04] <mdke> ok last call for more agenda items [05:04] <Burgundavia> mgalvin, your guide [05:04] <Burgundavia> mdke, none from me [05:04] <mdke> ok [05:04] <mgalvin> ok, i'll mail the list in a few min [05:04] <mdke> end of meeting then [08:22] <flint> hey jane.! [08:23] <ogra> flint, you scared her it seems :) [08:36] <flint> just another case of FITS (Flint Induced Tourette's Syndrome) Ollie... [08:37] <ogra> :) [09:16] <Loiosh> That would be.. 4 pm cst? [09:50] <ogra> Loiosh, what ? [09:58] <Loiosh> The Edubuntu developer meeting? [09:58] <Loiosh> -6 GMT is -6 UTC, I was just trying to figure out the time with my poor, uneducated american mind =) [10:00] <ogra> Loiosh, looks like we will postpone it, JaneW is ill... and she is the project manager... [10:00] <Loiosh> Ahh, oh well =) [10:01] <ogra> i'm only the technician... and i'm not sure what non techie stuff she wanted to discuss [12:03] <GNULinuxGeek> Hello All...

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.355995

2005-08-22-#ubuntu-toolchain

[06:22] <fabbione> morning [05:52] <Keybuk> 'sup? [05:53] <doko> yep [05:54] <doko> jbailey: how can we get the search path for the linker for 64bit binaries on a 32bit system? [05:56] <jbailey> So a system where you can't actually run the linker? [05:59] <doko> we don't have one, when building gcc and libraries biarch [06:18] <jbailey> There's no guaranteed way right now. [06:19] <jbailey> Probably the best bet would be do so something with bfs. [06:19] <jbailey> bfd [06:19] <Keybuk> can't you just ship ldd in the bi-arch libc6-dev packages [06:19] <jbailey> Keybuk: ldd just called ld.so with some parameters. [06:19] <Keybuk> right [06:19] <jbailey> calls, even. [06:19] <Keybuk> so make that work ;) [06:19] <jbailey> If you can't run a binary of the target architecture, there no option there. [06:20] <jbailey> If you could, ldd has already been hacked to select the right ld.so. =) [06:20] <Keybuk> I don't understand why these library packages are being produced if they can't work?> [06:21] <Keybuk> so far this bug reads like "we're doing some shit that can't possibly work AND IT'S YOUR FAULT!" [06:21] <jbailey> They can work, you just need a capable kernel. [06:22] <jbailey> So install the right one. =) [06:22] <jbailey> The problem with using objdump and such is that there's no way to know what glibc considers to be the linker path. [06:22] <jbailey> linker search path, rather. [06:23] <Keybuk> then why is this a problem? surely the machines which will be building these bi-arch packages will have "the right kernel" on them? [06:23] <jbailey> And it'll change over time as we do multiarch. [06:23] <jbailey> Keybuk: Probably 'cause people want to build them at home or such. [06:24] <Keybuk> I really don't see how this is a dpkg-dev bug; if the base system can't support building these packages, then they shouldn't be being built [06:27] <jbailey> The base system builds the package fine. [06:27] <jbailey> It's just a cross compiler at that point. [06:28] <Keybuk> there's more to building a package than just compiling, as you know well [06:40] <doko> they do work, if you do have the right kernel [06:43] <jbailey> doko: Right, but you can build the stuff either way. You just can't run testsuites or ldd on it. [06:43] <jbailey> Or use built-sources in any way. [06:43] <Keybuk> but the point is that if these source packages need "the right kernel" to build, they should ensure they do before they try [06:43] <Keybuk> and right now, they're not [06:44] <doko> elmo would be "happy", if we do that for powerpc and i386 ... [06:49] <jbailey> Keybuk: Right. [06:50] <jbailey> The joys of the multiarch setup. [06:50] <jbailey> I don't even know how possible it would be to bend glibc into doing a cross-ldd. [07:13] <doko> jbailey: what about the libc6-dev-amd64 headers for libc6-dev on i386? Can you estimate, if that's doable? [07:13] <lamont> Keybuk: I assume there isn't a nice dpkg command that says 'extract all the .so's from this deb and feed them as arguments to $COMMAND' :-( [07:14] <jbailey> doko: Yeah. Just need to add that include SEARCHDIR hook, I guess. [07:14] <Keybuk> lamont: no [07:14] <Keybuk> it'd be easy to do [07:14] <lamont> doko: I'm trying to figure out if gcc-3.4 has the issue as well, or if it was just because I inherited some gcc-4.0-built .so's when I was testing... [07:14] <doko> jbailey: SEARCHDIR hook? [07:14] <lamont> Keybuk: yeah [07:15] <jbailey> As in, I'd have to install the headers in some other location, and gcc would have to be told to search there first. [07:15] <jbailey> If it didn't find the header, try the main ones. [07:15] <lamont> jbailey: is there a glibc upload coming anytime soon? [07:15] <doko> jbailey: it already does, but for C++ headers only [07:15] <jbailey> lamont: doko asked for one yesterday to help sparc along. Got something for me? [07:16] <doko> jbailey: hmm, hppa needs one as well, but with a fixed gcc-4.0, or don't you build hppa with gcc-4.0? [07:17] <lamont> ISTR hppa got built with gcc-3.4.... [07:17] <lamont> jbailey: or is glibc now building with the default gcc? [07:17] <Keybuk> dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile /path/to/deb | tar xv -C /where/to/extract "*.so" | xargs $COMMAND [07:17] <Keybuk> lamont: ^ :p [07:17] <lamont> jbailey: actually, I just need to do a fresh and clean build of it, and I see that -1ubuntu8 hasn't been uploaded for hppa, so all is good on that front [07:18] <doko> jbailey: in which directory should gcc search the x86_64 headers? [07:18] <lamont> Keybuk: heh. I'd have figured that out... :-) But I guess I'll still buy you a beer sometime [07:18] <jbailey> lamont: No, everything is building with 3.4 still [07:19] <jbailey> doko: Mmm. I think Tollef's proposal was /usr/include/GNU-TRIPLE wasn't it? [07:19] <jbailey> So /usr/include/x86-64_linux ? [07:19] <doko> jbailey: look at biarch-include-ix86.dpatch and add something. but I'm unsure, if fixincludes is aware of that [07:20] <jbailey> I thought fixincludes was a noop on Linux these days. [07:20] <jbailey> The system headers sould already be gcc safe. [07:20] <doko> jbailey: that directory is already searched for. [07:21] <Keybuk> jbailey: /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu [07:21] <jbailey> Keybuk: Yes, dear. [07:21] <doko> 4.0 only ... [07:21] <jbailey> Ah, that's probably why I didn't notice it, lemme check it. [07:23] <jbailey> doko: Is this a new thing? [07:24] <jbailey> Oh. duh, pass -m64 to cpp, Jeff [07:25] <doko> gcc-4.0 (4.0.1-1) unstable; urgency=high [07:25] <doko> * Disable multiarch-includes; redo biarch-includes to include the paths [07:25] <doko> for the non-default biarch, when called with -m32/-m64. [07:25] <lamont> Keybuk: it got bigger. :-) [07:25] <lamont> zcat /org3/ubuntu/dists/breezy/*/binary-hppa/Packages.gz | awk '/^Filename: / {print $2}' | while read i ; do mkdir -p unpack; dpkg --fsys-tarfile /org3/ubuntu/$i | tar xv -C unpack "*.so.*" 2>/dev/null | (cd unpack; while read f; do x=$(objdump -T $f | grep _GLOBAL_); [ -n "$x" ] && echo ${i##*/} $f $x;done); rm -rf unpack; done > bogus 2>&1& [07:26] <Keybuk> zcat|awk can be replaced by grep-dctrl [07:27] <lamont> true. [07:27] <lamont> but then I'd have to remember grep-dctrl. :-) [07:28] <Keybuk> that reminds me [07:29] <Keybuk> I need to figure out why #13306/#322595 talks about dpkg-deb [07:30] <lamont> grep-dctrl -s Filename -n . /org3/ubuntu/dists/breezy/*/binary-hppa/Packages.gz [07:31] <lamont> sadly, the version of grep-dctrl on the best machine for the job doesn't read .gz files very well.. [07:35] <Keybuk> gah, found _another_ dpkg disappear/replaces bug *sigh* [07:37] <doko> jbailey: why don't you want to install the x86_64 headers in libc-dev, as done by amd64-libs-dev? [07:38] <jbailey> Where did amd64-libs-dev install them? I thought that they hadn't installed them for some reason. [07:41] <jbailey> Right, I had tried installing them in /usr/include/x86_64-linux and it hadn't worked. [07:41] <jbailey> But I see that that's not the search path now. [07:41] <jbailey> So I'll do that. Easy enough. [07:42] <lamont> doko: could you look at that hppa patch and see if it's sensible in 3.4 as well? [07:46] <lamont> doko: which version of gcc-defaults switched hppa back to 4.0? [07:46] <lamont> (not clear from the changelog if it was 27 or 28) [07:47] <lamont> 27 [07:50] <jbailey> lamont: Do you need other fixes in glibc for the next upload? [07:50] <lamont> jbailey: not that I know of [07:51] <lamont> +glibc (2.3.5-1ubuntu7hppa1) breezy; urgency=low [07:51] <lamont> + [07:51] <lamont> + * drop glibc234-hppa-remove-mallocdef [07:51] <lamont> that's all I have locally, and that was in -1ubuntu8, so all should be happy. [07:55] <lamont> doko/jbailey: so correct me if I'm wrong, but no .so files should have _GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_ in the dynamic syms, right? [07:56] <jbailey> lamont: I'd have to check the ELF spec to be really sure, but I don't remember ever seeing it. [07:57] <lamont> well, it's only fatal when two of them have it. :-) [07:57] <jbailey> Right. =) [07:58] <jbailey> "The symbol _GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_ may reside in the middle of the .got section, allowing both negative and non-negative subscripts into the array of addresses." [07:58] <jbailey> But it's extern. [07:58] <jbailey> (by spec) [07:58] <jbailey> So I'm guessing based on that, that no, it should be provided by one of the startup bits from glibc, or generated by gcc. [08:00] <jbailey> Anything can reference it, though, it should just not be provided by them. [08:36] <lamont> right. thanks. [08:42] <jbailey> lamont: I still haven't gotten access to j5k again, but doko gave me access to his hppa box. [08:42] <jbailey> lamont: If you have a testcase that produces it, I'd be interested in looking at it to see at least which piece is doing the bad generation. [08:47] <lamont> interestingly, we just have local absolute symbols that have that value, it appears. [08:48] <lamont> IOW, it may just be that I took the debian issue and extrapolated it onto ubuntu [08:49] <lamont> but since we've switched to 4.0 on hppa/breezy, I'll build that, glibc, rebuild gcc-4.0, and upload the latter 2, and then just see how it goes before I start nuking things....] [08:49] <jbailey> 'k [08:50] <jbailey> Or I wonder if it's something historical from the 2.3.2 glibc that only showed up in that archive. [08:50] <jbailey> But since breezy is built with 2.3.5 in its entirety. [08:51] <lamont> I think it was actually something that showed up with 2.3.5-built-by-gcc-4.0 [08:51] <lamont> which is to say, I may be doing overkill in bootstrapping gcc :-) [08:52] <jbailey> Erm. [08:52] <jbailey> Don't do that. =) [08:52] <jbailey> Actually, no. [08:52] <jbailey> You can't have done that without serious patching. [08:52] <jbailey> It just won't build at this point. [09:00] <lamont> jbailey: right. [09:01] <lamont> our glibc is build with 3.4, and is FTBFS with 4.0, correct? [09:01] <jbailey> Right. [09:01] <lamont> in which case, I should be able to just build the new glibc (with 3.4), and then use that in the build of the new gcc-4.0, and all is well [09:02] <lamont> ./usr/lib/libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.10 00116b7c g DO *ABS* 00000000 Base _GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_ [09:02] <lamont> plenty of entries like that [09:02] <lamont> but they're all local, not exported [09:02] <jbailey> I will do the gcc-4 hackery for 6.04 [09:11] <lamont> $no_build_regex = "."; [09:11] <lamont> that just makes me feel dirty. [09:12] <jbailey> Should that not be .* ? [09:12] <lamont> if the regex exists in the string, it's a match [09:12] <jbailey> Ah. 'k. [09:12] <lamont> so the only thing that '.' doesn't match is an empty line [09:12] <lamont> that's on the hppa/breezy buildd [09:14] <lamont> jbailey: not sure what debian did for their 2.3.5 glibc... [09:14] <jbailey> What do you mean? [09:17] <lamont> well, they felt that they had to binNMU glibc after fixing gcc-4.0... [09:18] <lamont> so it would seem that they did a 2.3.5 build with gcc-4.0, no? [09:18] <jbailey> Err.. They shouldn't have, unless gotom's been playing with some of the gcc-4 patches. [09:18] <jbailey> I told them I didn't think it was a good idea and got into an argument with drow and gotom, though. [09:19] <jbailey> Ayup [09:19] <jbailey> I also don't know for certain that we're using the same hppa patches between Debian and Ubuntu. [09:19] <lamont> the last time glibc was built by the buildd was 2.3.2.ds1-22 [09:20] <jbailey> I did the backport for Ubuntu, and I think gotom did his own. [09:20] <lamont> which is to say, we have no build logs [09:20] <jbailey> Even better! [09:20] <jbailey> =) [09:21] <jbailey> lamont: I was good! I didn't even ask! [09:21] <lamont> jbailey: heh [10:10] <lamont> hrm... is there any reason to use ccache in the gcc-* builds, or do they just use the internal version of themselves for everything and we're just polluting the cache? [11:11] <jbailey> lamont: The stage1 compiler gets built with the ccache. [11:11] <jbailey> lamont: After that, I'd be surprised if you ever poluted the cache. It calls itself explicitely by pathna,e [11:22] <lamont> ah, true

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.361709

2005-08-22-#edubuntu

[01:28] <cyphase> hey everyone [06:42] <cyphase> hey everyone [07:30] <wen> HI ,everybody! [08:12] <swazo> um. so how many schools/work environments have adapted this? [10:21] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i got my laptop customs didn't charge any duty but i had to pay 10% VAT which is still a big amount in my currency [10:22] <JaneW> jsgotangco: sheesh! [10:22] <JaneW> jsgotangco: is it new or second hand? [10:22] <jsgotangco> its new [10:22] <JaneW> jsgotangco: cos surely you don't pay VAT on something that's already paid for? [10:23] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i know [10:23] <JaneW> jsgotangco: you may be able to claim it back.... contact cvd [10:23] <jsgotangco> but its customs *shrug* [10:23] <jsgotangco> JaneW, yeah, she gave me a form [10:23] <JaneW> jsgotangco: are you part of the laptop testing team? or are you just special? ;) [10:23] <jsgotangco> im on the test team but i don't mind being special soon :) [10:25] <jsgotangco> im downloading a daily build of the edubuntu iso, lets see if this goes well later [10:25] <jsgotangco> my first one just didnt work at all [11:18] <jsgotangco> hmm partitioning is borked? [11:18] <jsgotangco> it failed miserably *groan* [11:19] <jsgotangco> im sure i had a good burn [11:19] <ogra_> stage1 (before reboot) of the installer should be fine [11:20] <jsgotangco> let me try it again [11:20] <ogra_> at which speed did you burn it ? [11:20] <jsgotangco> 22x [11:20] <jsgotangco> i always burn on this laptop without any problems [11:20] <ogra_> heh, never use more then 8x for bootables [11:21] <jsgotangco> i'll try to burn it again much slower [11:21] <ogra_> the data is packed very tight... [11:23] <JaneW> interesting [11:26] <ogra_> yes... mostly people dont belive you if you tell them :) until they see it working with a slower burn from the same iso [11:26] <jsgotangco> did you trigger a new build now? [11:27] <ogra_> no use for that... i'm waiting for a colony before i want to make sure our base works [11:27] <jsgotangco> ok i'm burning a new one from my recent download [11:27] <ogra_> colony 3 didnt happen as wanted yesterday... we had a bad Xorg bug (again *sigh) [11:28] <jsgotangco> yeah [11:28] <ogra_> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13532 [11:28] <ogra_> but at 3am we had solved it... i dont know why mdz hasnt started a new one... [11:29] <ogra_> (UTC 1am) [11:29] <jsgotangco> hmm 0 size [11:29] <ogra_> yep... [11:30] <ogra_> the automatic keyboard selection failed.... [11:30] <ogra_> dpkg-reconfigure works fine though [11:30] <jsgotangco> poor daniels X really is pissing him for months [11:30] <JaneW> ogra_: what happened with Colony 3 yesterday? I am afraid to ask [11:31] <jsgotangco> Xorg [11:31] <JaneW> sorry just read above [11:31] <JaneW> dang [11:31] <ogra_> yep :( [11:31] <JaneW> spoke to jbailey yesterday about a volume bug [11:31] <JaneW> but I think he said it wasn't too hard to fix [11:32] <jsgotangco> buggy badger [11:32] <JaneW> jsgotangco: lol [11:32] <ogra_> such bugs are trivial (at least for a colony) but bugs that break the install are blockers [11:32] <JaneW> buggery? [11:33] <ogra_> Xorg is a heavyweight.... i'm really looking forward to breezy+1 this development cycle was no fun at all compared to hoary [11:33] <jsgotangco> indeed [11:33] <JaneW> ogra_: I am kind of glad to hear that - I thought it was just me who thought the fun had evaporated [11:33] <JaneW> this one is a slog! [11:34] <JaneW> imagine 6.04 - 5 year stable! [11:34] <JaneW> loads of pressure [11:34] <jsgotangco> pitti will be pleased [11:34] <jsgotangco> :) [11:35] <ogra_> JaneW, but a lot more time for testing and development if you have a base to build on.... having no Xorg and constantly loosing librarys you need wont happen for 6.04 [11:35] <JaneW> true [11:35] <JaneW> (I hope) [11:36] <ogra_> but it was necessary... we have the most beautiful X in the world now... and are ahead of all the others :) [11:38] <jsgotangco> the X borkage during hoary devel was fun.. X in breezy is no fun at all [11:39] <jsgotangco> now people end up with awful hacks [11:39] <ogra_> yep [11:40] <ogra_> yes, try it... [11:41] <ogra_> keep the iso around, then you can only rsync the binary changes to it... takes only some minutes, instead of downloading a new iso every time [11:41] <JaneW> friday - my 3G ADSL cap won;t be happy ;) [11:42] <jsgotangco> you still have bandwidth caps over there? [11:42] <JaneW> yes [11:42] <jsgotangco> wow [11:42] <JaneW> for INTL traffic anyway [11:43] <jsgotangco> hmm now on stage 2 [11:43] <JaneW> our telco is screwed [11:43] <JaneW> we still pay a fortune on local calls [11:43] <ogra_> most of them are :) [11:44] <JaneW> they have a monopoly here [11:44] <jsgotangco> lol [11:44] <JaneW> he said, ' er it;s not like I had a choice!' [11:44] <ogra_> hehe [11:44] <jsgotangco> im not surprised if the call centre staff was from here or from india [11:46] <JaneW> there's a whole hate sight against them http://www.hellkom.co.za/ [11:46] <JaneW> jsgotangco: actually there was some shady deal with a malaysian telly co [11:47] <jsgotangco> ouch malaysian telco - monopoly as well [12:10] <jsgotangco> ogra_, does 0817 build install nicely on you? i got frozen at 85% stage 2 [12:12] <ogra_> gah, tat should have been solved 2 days ago.... [12:12] <ogra_> is it stuck at a language pack ? [12:12] <jsgotangco> it must be...im not sure i went downstairs for a bite [12:13] <jsgotangco> i dont know what is being installed [12:13] <ogra_> could you look at console 4 ? [12:13] <jsgotangco> everything is frozen [12:13] <ogra_> if there is a yes/no question about authentication, you are hit by #13496 [12:13] <ogra_> hmm [12:14] <ogra_> i'm just burning tha 0817, lest see [12:32] <jsgotangco> ok i'm just going to pick up my wife at work i'll check again [12:32] <jsgotangco> later [12:32] <ogra_> ciao [02:01] <ogra_> JaneW, oh, we are so near.... only bug 13532 is keeping the CD to be 100% installable... and that is easy to work around after the install.... tomorrows CD will be "edubuntu colony 1" ;) [02:01] <ogra_> s/to be/from being/ [02:05] <ogra_> morning mpt [02:05] <mpt> hi ogra_ [02:06] <mpt> I think I owe you an apology [02:06] <ogra_> both ogra_s are real btw ;) [02:06] <ogra_> huh ? what for ? [02:06] <ogra_> err [02:06] <ogra_> huh ? what for ? [02:06] <mpt> For being too busy to design anything for you before feature freeze [02:07] <ogra_> mpt, i was to busy too.... edubuntu has drawn all my time... i'll be happy if even gnome-power makes it into breezy.... dont worry [02:08] <ogra_> ther is still breezy+1 :) i guess hwdb will stay as is for breezy... probably some bugfixes, but nothing big [02:36] <JaneW> ogra_: YAY [02:40] <JaneW> ogra__: what was jeff on about, the meeting is listed on the wiki, and on this # heading, and I ave no put it in #u-m too... [02:51] <ogra_ltsp> YAY [02:56] <JaneW> who is in charge of teacher's pet? [02:57] <ogra_ltsp> JaneW, we talked about it last week.... remember ? we likely wont have it in breezy time [02:58] <ogra_ltsp> but in the end that'd be me... [02:58] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: yes I remember - but is that your own tool? I have an e-mail enquiry [02:58] <JaneW> right I see [02:58] <ogra_ltsp> http://www.grawert.net/SCP.png [02:58] <JaneW> I didn;t realise that what you were working on WAS teacher;s pet [02:58] <JaneW> :) [02:58] <JaneW> I'll fwd to you [02:59] <ogra_ltsp> i dont have the time to work further on it... and the tools we reviewed wera all not usable... ita also difficult to make one of the existing tools work with our ltsp implementation, since its revolutionary new [03:00] <ogra_ltsp> JaneW, i very much would have liked to take the guadalinex tool... but thats writte in gambas which we'll never have in main.... [03:00] <JaneW> :/ [03:01] <JaneW> ogra: such is life... [03:01] <ogra_ltsp> so thats a no go... teacher tool is not working with our ltsp implementation... and my tool only works half... [03:01] <JaneW> http://zontik.de/uploads/1116202837_cd.jpg <- a bit rude but funny [03:02] <ogra_ltsp> my tool would require two or three days of extra work... i'm considering to finish it after the preview is out, then the amount of work is likely to drop... i couls offer it as an addon on people.ubuntu.com [03:02] <ogra_ltsp> lol... [03:03] <ogra_ltsp> yes, the norwegians have a funny sort of humor [03:38] <Petaris> ogra: my sudo seems broken [03:39] <Petaris> I get a sudo: unable to lookup Ayumi by gethostbyname() [03:40] <ogra> doesnt happen here... [03:40] <ogra> is the user in the admin group ? [03:40] <Petaris> admin or wheel? [03:41] <Petaris> I added the user to sudoers [03:41] <Petaris> I'll check wheell though [03:41] <Petaris> I'll check wheel too ;) [03:41] <ogra> dont edit sudoers [03:41] <ogra> and there is no wheel group on debian systems [03:41] <ogra> (or at least there shouldnt be one) [03:41] <ogra> the admin group is the right place [03:42] <Petaris> ok [03:42] <ogra> its enabled for sudo by default [03:42] <Petaris> ok [03:42] <ogra> thats what the different profiles in the user-admin tool are for ;) [03:43] <Petaris> I don't have that tool [03:43] <ogra> didnt you install it yesterday after my suggestion ? [03:47] <Petaris> I didn't know you had? [03:47] <Petaris> oh, was that the one that wanted to install gnome too? [03:47] <ogra> gnome-system-tools [03:48] <ogra> it wont install gnome, only the gnome libs [03:48] <ogra> but its something you should have.... [03:50] <Petaris> ok [03:50] <Petaris> I figured out the problem though [03:51] <Petaris> It wasn't that I wasn't a memeber of the admin group [03:51] <ogra> if you really have to edit sudoers once (which should never be the case) use visudo and nothig else... [03:51] <Petaris> I had just forgotten to setup /etc/hosts lol [03:51] <Petaris> why? [03:52] <ogra> because it checks the syntax and cares for stuff... [03:56] <Petaris> what syntax? [03:56] <Petaris> you just add the username [03:56] <JaneW> bye all back later for meetings etc [03:56] <Petaris> bye JaneW [03:59] <ogra> Petaris, just dont do it... the big warning at the top of the file is there for a reason [03:59] <Petaris> there is no warning, its an empty file [03:59] <Petaris> or at least it was on my install [04:00] <ogra> then your install is broken [04:00] <ogra> # sudoers file. [04:00] <ogra> # [04:00] <ogra> # This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root. [04:00] <ogra> # [04:00] <ogra> # See the man page for details on how to write a sudoers file. [04:00] <ogra> # [04:00] <ogra> thats what should be written there [04:00] <Petaris> hrm [04:00] <Petaris> thats odd [04:00] <ogra> yup [04:01] <ogra> i wonder what else is broken for you then [04:01] <Petaris> unless its something that gets setup after the language pack [04:01] <Petaris> which haulted [04:01] <Petaris> I've done all setup manually after that [04:01] <Petaris> coming from gentoo, most of that setup is fairly simple :) [04:03] <ogra> the end target is that you dont have to configure it at all... [04:03] <ogra> which works quite well here for todays daily, except on esmall glitch with X autodetection [04:03] <Petaris> ahh, so it is an install for non-guru users [04:03] <ogra> but thats already solved and will be ready tomorrow [04:04] <ogra> its a ubuntu install.... [04:04] <ogra> which is aimed at gurus as weel as to non gurus [04:06] <Petaris> ok [04:06] <Petaris> Well I'm still working on configuring icewm to my specs [04:06] <ogra> the default will work for everyone... gurus will tweak it :) [04:07] <Petaris> I am using idesk for icons on the desktop [04:07] <ogra> but having a installation ready within 1h and without much interaction out of the box is the main target we have [04:07] <Petaris> right [04:08] <Petaris> I personally can't stand icons but users like them :/ [04:08] <ogra> <--- gnome guy [04:09] <Petaris> I used to like kde [04:09] <Petaris> but it was too bloated and I always had issues with kserver [04:10] <ogra> i havent touched KDE since 1.4 [04:10] <Petaris> last I used was 3.2 [04:11] <Petaris> I like enlightenment musch better [04:11] <ogra> i dont like it [04:12] <Petaris> I always had problems with sound in kde too, as I used xmms directly with the alsa driver and not through the ksound deamon [04:13] <ogra> i wonder why everybody still uses such old cruft like xmms there are so many newer and better integrated audio players out there... [04:13] <ogra> i like rhythmbox and muine... [04:14] <Petaris> xmms is far nicer than most of the newer ones [04:14] <ogra> hmm, arguable... [04:14] <Petaris> its simple, themeable, uses less resources, and stable [04:14] <ogra> and doesnt integrate anywhere... [04:15] <ogra> i like it if my player goes out of the way and puts itself into the systemtray to not disturb me [04:15] <Petaris> lots of ways to do that with xmms [04:16] <Petaris> look at all the aplets for gnome/kde etc for controlling xmms [04:16] <Petaris> not to mention you can use it in the console [04:16] <Petaris> remote control it from anywhere [04:16] <ogra> sure, after ages of configuring... i dont like to configure my desktop at all... and rather spend my time in development [04:16] <Petaris> it takes only a few minutes [04:17] <ogra> thats the reason why i work on ubuntu and not on gentoo ;) [04:17] <Petaris> but you must understand I am very minimal on the desktop [04:17] <ogra> sure... but i dont even like to think about it... i want to click on my ogg file and it should just play for me [04:17] <Petaris> real graphicy looking things make me gag [04:18] <Petaris> mine does [04:18] <ogra> i think ubuntus desktop is very pretty and slim... [04:18] <Petaris> and for everything else there is mplayer [04:18] <Petaris> :) [04:18] <ogra> or totem-xine ;) [04:18] <Petaris> ubuntu slim? [04:18] <Petaris> haha [04:18] <ogra> oh, the voltage doubles [04:18] <Petaris> ogra: have you tried vlo? [04:19] <ogra> nope... [04:19] <Petaris> er, vlc [04:19] <Petaris> sory [04:19] <ogra> whats vlo ? [04:19] <Petaris> that ones preety good to [04:19] <ogra> yes... i dont like the widget set..... [04:19] <Petaris> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ [04:19] <ogra> for streaming i prefer fulendo [04:19] <ogra> fluendo even [04:20] <Petaris> never heard of it [04:20] <Petaris> I use xmms for streaming [04:20] <Petaris> or mplayer [04:21] <Petaris> console mplayer of course as the gui for it is ugly [04:21] <ogra> fluendo is a streaming server working tightly with totem [04:21] <Petaris> I can't stand totem [04:21] <ogra> its the best player out there imho [04:21] <Petaris> tried to get along with it but it kept crashing [04:22] <ogra> especially the mozilla plugin is neat [04:22] <Petaris> mplayer plugin for mozilla works well too [04:22] <Petaris> as does realplayer plugin [04:23] <ogra> neither for me on amd64 [04:23] <Petaris> grr [04:23] <ogra> totem works fine though [04:23] <Petaris> ogra: are you running the x86_64 branch? [04:23] <ogra> sure [04:23] <Petaris> ahh [04:23] <Petaris> I tried that early on but it was very buggy [04:23] <ogra> only if i test ltsp it runs in i386 mode [04:24] <ogra> its as stable as every other ubuntu [04:24] <Petaris> right, emulation mode [04:24] <Petaris> it wasn't back when I tried it [04:24] <Petaris> but it was before release [04:25] <ogra> the only missing bit for me is flash... but i'm not really after it [04:26] <Petaris> really? [04:26] <Petaris> flash I didn't have any problemsw with [04:26] <Petaris> problems even [04:27] <ogra> there is no 64bit version of flash [04:27] <ogra> so it doesnt run on amd64 [04:27] <Petaris> did you try compiling openflash? [04:27] <Petaris> :) [04:27] <ogra> its buggy as hell... [04:27] <Petaris> or gplflash or whatever [04:28] <ogra> yup, tried them all [04:28] <Petaris> hrm [04:28] <Petaris> I had not trouble with it [04:28] <Petaris> worked great [04:28] <Petaris> but I blew that system away so I couldn't tell you how I did it [04:29] <ogra> for things newer then flash4 ? [04:29] <Petaris> oh wait, I know [04:29] <Petaris> I installed a 32-bit version of ff [04:29] <Petaris> using the 32-bit emulation [04:29] <Petaris> thats how I did it [04:30] <ogra> sure that works... but i dont want to run 32bit... [04:30] <Petaris> you noticed a small slowdown but not too bad [04:30] <ogra> thats why i have a 64bit machine [04:31] <Petaris> I'm not going back to x86_64 until the apps I need can be compiled for it [04:31] <ogra> which apps ? [04:31] <Petaris> some multimedia apps I needed [04:32] <Petaris> and a few plugins for ff [04:32] <Petaris> and the was something else that wasn't working but I can't remember what it was [04:33] <Petaris> actually, I'm quite surprised how slowly some projects are branching to x86_64 [04:36] <Petaris> ogra: Where is that user-admin-tool? [04:36] <Petaris> I can't find it in apt [04:37] <ogra> gnome-system-tools [04:37] <Petaris> oh, thats the package name [04:37] <Petaris> ok [04:42] <Petaris> hrmm [04:42] <Petaris> users-admin just sits there for me [04:43] <ogra> ran it with sudo ? [04:43] <ogra> it needs admin rights [04:44] <Petaris> It came up with the enter root password dialog [04:44] <Petaris> ahh, sudo worked [04:44] <ogra> enter root password ? rather enter *your* password... its sudo based [04:45] <ogra> it should say that in the dialog... [04:48] <wen> HI ,everybody! [04:49] <Petaris> Hello wem [04:49] <Petaris> er, wen [04:49] <Petaris> I can't type today [04:50] <Petaris> ogra: I added another user but the client won't let them login, it just restarts ldm [04:50] <Petaris> what group do they need to be added to? [04:50] <Petaris> there is no ltsp group [04:51] <ogra> it should work out of the box (it does here) [04:51] <ogra> can you ssh user@localhost with this user ? [04:51] <ogra> (on the server_) [04:52] <wen> i am wondering here everybody is teacher? [04:53] <ogra> heh, nope [04:53] <Petaris> by user at localhost you mean that users name right? [04:53] <ogra> yep [04:53] <Petaris> ok [04:53] <Petaris> just a min [04:53] <ogra> can the user ssh to the server.... [04:54] <Petaris> right [04:55] <wen> how will skolelinux be after edubuntu realesed? [04:55] <Petaris> ogra: no I can't [04:56] <ogra> aha [04:56] <Petaris> I'm going to try changing the password [04:56] <ogra> wen, that'd be a question pere can answer [04:56] <ogra> i dont know the release plans for skole [04:57] <Petaris> that didn't work [04:57] <ogra> edubuntu will release around Oct 10th (+/- 5days) [04:59] <Petaris> ogra: any ideas? [04:59] <Petaris> my one user can login [04:59] <ogra> not really... i dont know what eles isnt working on your tweaked system... [05:00] <ogra> it works fine here in a standard edubuntu setup... [05:00] <Petaris> hrm [05:00] <Petaris> I will try a few things [05:01] <ogra> its very likely that your system didnt get configured through the installaer breakage.... try running base-config again [05:01] <ogra> (with sudo) [05:01] <wen> edubuntu will focus on server or desktop? [05:02] <ogra> it will be a ltsp standalone setup for one classroom.... (which contains server *and* desktop) [05:02] <Petaris> ogra: its working now [05:02] <ogra> additionally you'll have an option to not install the server part, so you have a standalone workstation [05:02] <Petaris> I feel stupid though [05:02] <ogra> what was it ? [05:03] <Petaris> I didn't hit ok after making the user [05:03] <ogra> heh [05:03] <Petaris> I thought it had already made it when it added it to the list [05:04] <pere> Petaris: skolelinux will still be well ahead of edubuntu when the first release of edubuntu is released. The out of the box service configuration is state of the art, and it will take some time before edubuntu is close to catching up. :) [05:05] <ogra> ha ha ha [05:05] <pere> Petaris: we are working on a sarge-based release, but I do not know how far of it will be in october. [05:06] <ogra> pere, we currently only have 3 things you have to adjust.... i'm not even sure if i'll make a edubuntu-config package, since its not necessary [05:07] <pere> Petaris: we are also cooperating with edubuntu, and try to help this project understand and find solutions to the problems we have discovered and solved, as well as stealing like ravens all the good solutions created by edubuntu. :) [05:07] <ogra> pere, keep in mind i only have to care for a single machine here [05:07] <ogra> :) [05:08] <pere> ogra: yes, edubuntu is picking the low-hanging fruits for the first release. You will be have to work harder to pick at the next level. :) [05:08] <ogra> wen, if you want to set up a whole school skole is definately the way to go... for a single classrom like k12ltsp offers it edubuntu will be worth atry [05:09] <ogra> pere, yes, i'm really looking forward to that one... i guess you can teach me a lot there ;) [05:09] <pere> ogra: yes. for small installations, or as "plugins" in a skolelinux network, I expect edubuntu to work just fine. [05:09] <pere> in kongsvinger, they installed skolelinux servers and fedore clients. [05:10] <ogra> i think we'll have a good CD tomorrow for a first impression.... [05:10] <ogra> eek... why didnt they take debian or ubuntu, i imagine the maintenance will be easier... [05:11] <pere> the admin was a fedora man, "certified redhat engineer", and wanted to stay on familiar turf, while at the same time recognizing a good server config when he saw one. :) [05:11] <ogra> pere, do you guys use wwwconfig-common in your packages ? it got rejected in ubuntu, so i'll have to replace it in moodle... [05:12] <pere> no, we do not use wwwconfig-common as far as I know. [05:12] <ogra> hmm... ok [05:12] <ogra> so letting the change on moodle flow back to debian would make sense for both of us... [05:12] <ogra> nice :) [05:13] <pere> yeah. though I am not up to date with moodle, so I do not know what kind of configuration is needed. [05:14] <ogra> it uses wwwconfig-common only to add the DB user and create the DB [05:15] <pere> right. isn't there some SQL database config tool around for mysql and postgresql? [05:16] <ogra> isnt that what wwwconfig-common is aimed for ? [05:16] <ogra> the idea of this tool is good, just the implementation is crappy [05:17] <pere> I believe I saw some database-common or -config, or something like that. do not remember the details. [05:23] <Petaris> pere: does skolelinux have an ltsp install? [05:24] <pere> Petaris: working on it as we speak. Initial test version available and uploaded yesterday. join #ltsp if you want to test. :) [05:25] <ogra> pere, bsed on mdz's ? [05:25] <ogra> based even [05:25] <Petaris> pere: and does your ltsp branch have a lite-desktop choice [05:26] <pere> Petaris: what is that? [05:26] <ogra> pere, icewm or xfce4 [05:26] <pere> Petaris: did you check out lessdisks, btw? it is similar to ltsp, but more features. [05:26] <Petaris> pere: I don't want to suck up resources using gnome or kde [05:27] <Petaris> no [05:27] <Petaris> haven't heard of it [05:27] <pere> ah, desktop choice is unrelated to ltsp. that is on the thin client server. the thin client just connect to the server and use whatever is on the server. [05:32] <Petaris> and how to lock it down [05:35] <ogra> isnt there a ~/.icewm ? [05:35] <Petaris> yep [05:36] <ogra> put it there ;) [05:36] <Petaris> but I wan't to edit the default template [05:36] <Petaris> so when a user first logs on they get my modifications [05:36] <ogra> i guess the default template is in 7etc/skel/.icewm [05:36] <Petaris> I'll look there [05:36] <ogra> s/7/\/ [05:37] <Petaris> don't you mean s/7///? [05:37] <Petaris> ;p [05:37] <ogra> nope [05:38] <Petaris> but then you would have \etc/skel/.icewm [05:38] <Petaris> and not /etc/skel/.icewm [05:38] <ogra> that'd be s/7/\\ [05:38] <ogra> tyr it :) [05:38] <ogra> try even [06:06] <Petaris> How can I have folders and links and such automatically created on first login [06:06] <Petaris> where would I put that info [06:06] <Petaris> like the link to the shared storage space [06:06] <Petaris> and a folder for trash [06:38] <Petaris> ogra: could you make it so that enter submits the login on your next revision of ldm? [06:39] <ogra> Petaris, yp, thats planned, and that you dont have the ability to move your mouse out of the window [06:39] <Petaris> move the mouse out of the window? [06:40] <Petaris> or do you mean off screen? [06:40] <ogra> yep, a mousetrap :) [06:40] <Petaris> ahh [06:40] <ogra> no over the black part [06:40] <Petaris> is there anyway to change the background color? [06:41] <ogra> not yet... and i cant promise we'll have it in v1.0 [06:41] <ogra> i'm planning a config file to be ableto change the theme though [06:41] <Petaris> so I can't hack a config file then [06:41] <Petaris> bugger [06:43] <ogra> not yet... ldm is some weeks old ... [06:44] <Petaris> ogra: why didn't you just use xdm or something as a base? [06:44] <Petaris> just curious [06:44] <ogra> aks mdz, its his tool... i just hacked up the design... [06:44] <Petaris> ahh [06:44] <ogra> i know he put a Suggests: in the package for sdm [06:45] <ogra> but i think thats rather for the X export version we dont use in edubuntu [06:47] <Petaris> ahh [06:48] <ogra> the way its now is more secure... encryption all over the place... doing that with a X based display manager would require some very intrusive changes [07:59] <Petaris> does anyone here know how to have things automagically created in the users home directory [07:59] <ogra> write a script and add it to your .xsession ? [08:00] <ogra> i would use gnomes session heandling... :) [08:00] <ogra> but i doubt that helps you for icewm [08:01] <Petaris> I'll email Paul and see if he has any ideas [08:02] <Petaris> I know he has stuff like that in k12ltsp [08:06] <Petaris> is there a list of the educational programs that will be autoinstalled? [08:06] <ogra> yup [08:06] <ogra> on the wiki [08:06] <Petaris> ok [08:07] <ogra> http://edubuntu.org/ApplicationSelection [08:07] <ogra> a bunch of this didnt make it... [08:08] <Petaris> kstarts is awesome [08:08] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/desktop [08:08] <Petaris> er, kstars [08:08] <ogra> this is the actual list used to produce the CD [08:08] <ogra> search for "EduBuntu" [08:09] <Petaris> waht about tux4kids apps [08:09] <ogra> tuxtype/math/paint are in [08:10] <Petaris> cool [08:10] <Petaris> what about their desktop publishing app? Or is that still devel? [08:11] <ogra> we have scribus [08:11] <ogra> only one app for one task... [08:11] <Petaris> tuxprint would be better for the elementary though [08:12] <Petaris> hrm [08:12] <Petaris> actually I like OOo draw [08:12] <ogra> thats in anyway... [08:12] <ogra> ooo2 is the default in ubuntu... we use it in edubuntu too [08:12] <Petaris> tuxpaint is still too early in devel yet it seems [08:12] <Petaris> hrm [08:12] <ogra> tuxpaint is some years old [08:13] <ogra> but anway, the list is final... [08:13] <Petaris> er, I meant tux print [08:13] <Petaris> not paint [08:13] <Petaris> tuxpaint is solid [08:13] <ogra> yup [08:14] <Petaris> ogra: this is really starting to shape up on my side [08:14] <Petaris> I might just make my deadline [08:14] <ogra> yeah [08:15] <Petaris> I will try to keep track of everything I did so you can use that info with the lite-desktop branch [08:16] <Petaris> who is in charge of that branch anyway? [08:16] <Petaris> you said before, but I have forgoted [08:16] <Petaris> er, forgoten [08:18] <ogra> he's called vedran... you'll find him in #ubuntu-devel sometimes [08:23] <Petaris> ogra: ok [12:01] <mhz> are we ready for this?

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2024-05-13T23:20:38.367597

2005-08-22-#ubuntu-motu

[12:16] <saintsjd> New to ubuntu development and I would like try making my first package. There is a specific package in debian called postgis. Currently it requires postgresql 7.4. I would like to experiment creating a new postgis-8.0 package for postgresql 8.0. Is there any way that I could use the current package in debian to begin my work on Ubuntu? [12:27] <mgalvin> saintsjd: sure get the source for the debian package and read the debian new maintainers guide on how to work on the package http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ [01:06] <mbreit> good night everybody [01:07] <ajmitch> night mbreit [01:08] <mbreit> night ajmitch [01:18] <saintsjd> mgalvin, thanks. I will get the source and read the guide. Thanks! Do you have any tips from your past experience? [01:46] <kezz> Hi, I've been using Ubuntu for quite a while now and would like to help out with some packaging. Is there an uptodate list anywhere of anything that urgently needs doing? I noticed there was a feature request on the wiki, is this up to date? [01:46] <ajmitch> UniverseCandidates is the list of requested packages [01:47] <ajmitch> MOTUTodo is the general list of things to do :) [01:47] <kezz> ah ok [01:47] <kezz> i'll keep on reading, its not tremendously clear though ;) [01:47] <ajmitch> no, it's something we need to work on [02:28] <Tzi> G'day =) There's a patch for Anjuta to fix the display corruption issue (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=303353) which I think should be added in.. [02:28] <Tzi> I've made some of my own debs, but I'm told it's not hard to get the patch put into ubuntu [02:28] <Tzi> (Actually I should probably hold my toungue till this latest dist-upgrade completes, just in case it's fixed... But I doubt it..) [02:35] <Tzi> I'm talking about Breezy, btw [02:37] <Tzi> Nope, it's still broken after the dist-upgrade [02:37] <Tzi> So.. Who do I talk to about getting the patch applied? [02:42] <Tzi> Well I gotta go but I'll leave this open.. Let me know =) [02:53] <tseng> man smeg rocks [03:02] <theantix> it really does, yeah :-) [06:25] <Tzi> For the sake of convenience, I'll just re-post my question.. [06:25] <Tzi> There's a patch for Anjuta to fix the display corruption issue (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=303353) which I think should be added in.. [06:25] <Tzi> I've made some of my own debs, but I'm told it's not hard to get the patch put into ubuntu [06:25] <Tzi> Who do I talk to about getting the patch applied? [06:26] <crimsun> make a debdiff against the current Breezy packages; post the url here; I'll take a look. [06:27] <Tzi> Okay, just a minute [06:37] <Tzi> Gahhh... Anyone know how to burn 701mb on a 700mb cd with nautilus? overburn is on in gconf, but it's still refusing... [06:43] <Tzi> Okay, next question - How do I do a debdiff? [06:44] <crimsun> same way you generate a diff, but the arguments you pass to debdiff are the two debs. [06:44] <Tzi> File lists identical (after any substitutions) [06:44] <crimsun> if you have the diff.gz you used to generate your patched deb, I'll take that [06:47] <ajmitch> Tzi: debdiff name1.dsc name2.dsc [06:48] <Tzi> I tried that too =) [06:48] <Tzi> it's okay, one sec [06:50] <Tzi> http://tzidesign.com/anjuta-1.2.3-2.diff [07:13] <Tzi> That okay? [07:14] <crimsun> sec. [07:15] <crimsun> ok, so against -1 in breezy. I'll test-build. [07:15] <ajmitch> version, distribution & urgency are wrong in changelog [07:16] <Tzi> That's just what I put in for the debs I'm using so dist-upgrade didn't keep replacing anjuta with the broken version.. Set it to whatever it needs to be, I have no idea what the protocol is [07:17] <crimsun> it needs to be -1ubuntu1 [07:17] <crimsun> distribution would be breezy [07:17] <ajmitch> -1ubuntu1, breezy, and we don't use the urgency field [07:17] <crimsun> urgency would be low [07:17] <Tzi> Sounds good [07:18] <ajmitch> urgency is only high in debian under certain circumstances [07:18] <ajmitch> because of the unstable/testing split, which we don't have [07:18] <Lathiat> what does it mean? [07:18] <Tzi> Does sound a little subjective =) [07:18] <ajmitch> Lathiat: urgency=low means 10-day delay into testing [07:19] <Tzi> Ahh [07:19] <Lathiat> and high = ? [07:19] <ajmitch> 1 or 2 days, iirc [07:19] <Lathiat> cool [07:19] <Tzi> So d'you want me to fix the changelog and re-upload the diff? [07:19] <ajmitch> someone can correct me on that [07:19] <Lathiat> close enough, i get the idea [07:20] <ajmitch> fyi, 1.2.4-1 is in unstable & has the fix anyway [07:20] <crimsun> if it's the only fix, we can just patch 1.2.3-1 and up it [07:21] <Tzi> Okay, sure [07:21] <ajmitch> crimsun: sure, then you need to drop the patch next time merges come round [07:21] <Tzi> Well up to you.. Anjuta's pretty useless without it, from what I've seen, and from what others are saying [07:22] <crimsun> a sync from sid is probably easiest [07:24] <crimsun> Tzi: your call, since you provided the patch. [07:24] <Tzi> What's involved in syncing from Sid? [07:25] <ajmitch> asking elmo to sync [07:25] <Tzi> Okay, so that means we get Sid's Anjuta, which may have the same problems, right? [07:25] <ajmitch> whether by irc or by mail [07:25] <ajmitch> Tzi: I just said, latest version has the patch [07:26] <Tzi> Ah, missed that bit [07:26] <crimsun> (http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/anjuta/anjuta_1.2.4-1/changelog) [07:27] <crimsun> (offtopic, but I dig that new layout) [07:27] <Tzi> Probably worth syncing from Sid then, I reckon.. May have other fixes too.. As long as it works properl =) [07:27] <Tzi> +y [07:28] <crimsun> I'd ask for a sync from Sid, since it appears 1.2.4-1 fixes not just that issue [07:30] <Tzi> Okay, sounds good to me [07:30] <Tzi> Shall I get onto elmo, or will someone else? [07:30] <crimsun> (you should) [07:31] <Tzi> Okay [07:34] <Tzi> Okay, way too much effort.. What's his email address? =) [07:35] <crimsun> james.troup@canonical.com iirc [07:35] <Tzi> Cheers =) [07:42] <ajmitch> I thought normal procedure was that a sync request had to come from a MOTU, especially since it's one that will break version freeze? [07:47] <ajmitch> hey jsgotangco [07:56] <jsgotangco> hey [08:31] <siretart> hi [08:31] <siretart> any arch gurus here? [08:31] <siretart> how to checkout this: http://pkg-lyx.alioth.debian.org/devel/ [08:59] <ajmitch> siretart: baz register-archive pkg-lyx-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org--devel [09:00] <ajmitch> baz get pkg-lyx-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org--devel/lyx--head [09:00] <ajmitch> or something similar :) [09:00] <siretart> Error during call to `vu_chdir' for pkg-lyx-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org--devel (No such file or directory) [09:00] <ajmitch> ah, silly me [09:01] <Treenaks> it's baz register-archive http://etc. [09:01] <ajmitch> siretart: baz register-archive http://pkg-lyx.alioth.debian.org/devel/ [09:01] <Treenaks> then baz archives to get the list :) [09:01] <Treenaks> then baz rbrowse -A pkg-lyx-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org--devel [09:01] <Treenaks> etc. [09:01] <ajmitch> Treenaks: thanks, I'm rusty ith baz, been playing with bzr ;) [09:01] <Treenaks> "bzr" is pronounced "bizarre" ? :P_ [09:02] <ajmitch> of course :) [09:02] <ajmitch> what will be bazaar 2.0 [09:02] <siretart> * archive rweir@ertius.org--2004-debian is not registered [09:02] <siretart> PANIC: The requested revision cannot be built. It is based on archives that are not registered. [09:02] <siretart> :( [10:14] <\sh> morning [10:37] <pef> hello [11:01] <siretart> hi pef [11:01] <siretart> huhu \sh [11:03] <pef> siretart: hi [11:31] <Yagisan> When marking up the xml for a man page, can I put special characters (eg TM) in like when marking up html ? [11:34] <SloMo_> Yagisan: sure... the <productname> docbook tag adds it for example... but at least for me the tm isn't converted correctly to iso-8859-1 and is displayed incorrectly [11:36] <Yagisan> G'day SloMo_, that's good. I need to put a few TM in, I use UTF-8 encoding myself [11:37] <SloMo_> me too but manpages must be iso-8859-1 afaik... at least that is what docbook converts them to [11:37] <SloMo_> but the xml can be utf8, it gets converted automatic [11:38] <Yagisan> then manpages are broken. [11:38] <ogra_> Yagisan, cant you just avoid the (tm) [11:38] <ogra_> ? [11:39] <Treenaks> Yagisan: special characters in manpages can be done [11:39] <Treenaks> Yagisan: using special escapes [11:39] <Yagisan> ogra: It's a Doom(tm), engine, that takes its arguments in Windows(tm) format [11:40] <Treenaks> Yagisan: people.debian.org/~branden/talks/wtfm [11:41] <Yagisan> Thanks Treenaks, it didn't see this when googling [11:42] <Treenaks> \(co is copyright [11:42] <Treenaks> so I _guess_ \(tm might be trademark [11:43] <ogra_> Yagisan, where is the problem using (tm) there instead of a special char ? [11:43] <SloMo_> hm then the real question is, why docbook doesn't do this by default [11:43] <Treenaks> Yagisan: there's a list in man 7 groff [11:43] <Treenaks> Yagisan: search for \\\(co [11:46] <Yagisan> ogra_: I just wanted to markup to the right character, to save any potential headaches. [11:50] <ogra_> is it worth the headaches you produce for yourself now ? [11:52] <Yagisan> it looks like the same headache I get when trying to produce multilingual websites. Probably not worth it in this case. [11:52] <ogra_> :) [11:53] <Yagisan> it will be good when it is all utf-8 though [11:54] <Yagisan> anyway, back to writting the only correct documentation for my package [12:35] <siretart> how to disable this control.in madness in cdbs? [12:35] <siretart> I forgot it :( [12:39] <siretart> ah, got it. never mind [12:57] <Seveas> Can I suggest a security update for hoary universe in here? [12:59] <siretart> Seveas: you should talk to the security team, I think Nafallo is a member [01:00] <Seveas> ok [01:00] <Seveas> Nafallo, around..? [01:00] <Nafallo> pong :-) [01:01] <Seveas> hi :) [01:01] <Nafallo> hi :-) [01:01] <Seveas> tor in hoary universe is a version that contains sever security bugs [01:01] <Seveas> (it's been reported by 3 people in the last 30 minutes in #ubuntu) [01:01] <Nafallo> wow! [01:01] <Seveas> I backported the package from debian unstable [01:02] <Seveas> clean backport, just needs the libevent1 from breezy [01:02] <Nafallo> I actually thought I did fix that a while ago. [01:02] <Nafallo> seems I forgot it :-/ [01:02] <Seveas> hehe [01:03] <Nafallo> Seveas: what is you mail-address? [01:03] <Seveas> dennis@kaarsemaker.net [01:06] <Nafallo> Seveas: you will have mail any second ;-) [01:08] <siretart> Nafallo: how is hoary-universe security working? how many ppl are involved and what is the update policy? [01:09] <Nafallo> siretart: I am... ;-) [01:09] <Nafallo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//SecurityUpdateProcedures [01:09] <Nafallo> :-) [01:13] <siretart> ah. I see [01:14] <Nafallo> yay! :-D [01:16] <Yagisan> :) someone else on security-review [01:28] <Seveas> Nafallo, <aol>You've got mail!</aol> [01:28] <Nafallo> hehe [01:30] <Nafallo> Seveas: okey to forward to security-review? :-) pitti should have a word in this. [01:31] <Seveas> Nafallo, be my guest [01:33] <Nafallo> gaah, damn xchat. switched to another desktop :-P [01:33] <Nafallo> Seveas: sent :-) [01:35] <Seveas> Nafallo, if nothing else, at least the package in breezy should be updated, preferably the hoary one too of course [01:36] <Nafallo> Seveas: we have that flaws in breezy aswell? [01:36] <Seveas> yes [01:36] <Nafallo> gaah [01:36] <Seveas> the breezy version is not uptodate [01:36] <Seveas> I had to take the debian sources [01:37] <Mez> did slomo get his upload rights sorted yet? [01:38] <Mez> obviously not, his last upload was signed by siretart [01:48] <Seveas> gah, apparently I am subsribed to security-review already :) [01:48] <Treenaks> UK->EU plug adapter.. 9 euros.. wtf? [01:48] <Nafallo> Seveas: hehe :-) [01:51] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: can't you just replace the cord which goes into the power supply? [01:52] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: costs the same [01:53] <SloMo_> Mez: thanks for the dirac upload :) [01:53] <Mez> SloMo_, no probs [01:54] <Mez> katie process it ok? [01:54] <SloMo_> yes... "dirac_0.5.2-0ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW" [01:57] <Nafallo> yay [01:58] <Mez> well, we knew that [01:58] <Mez> but I'm sure it'll be processed soon enough [02:08] <rbelem> morning... [02:32] <sistpoty> hi folks [02:32] <Nafallo> hi sistpoty :-) [02:33] <rbelem> hi sistpoty [02:33] <SloMo_> hi sistpoty [02:34] <rbelem> hey Nafallo [02:34] <rbelem> Nafallo, morning [02:34] <rbelem> ;-) [02:34] <Nafallo> morning rbelem :-) [02:34] <SloMo_> hi rbelem :) [02:35] <rbelem> morning SloMo_ ;-) [02:36] <rbelem> i'm having some problems to create a debian/rules using cdbs [02:37] <SloMo_> rbelem: just ask here ;) [02:40] <rbelem> the problem is that i have to create a python package called python2.4-ixplib, but the folder is a subfolder ;-) and how do i set where must create this package? [02:41] <rbelem> something like that $(DEB_BUILDDIR)/libixp/python/ [02:43] <rbelem> how do I set the place where setup.py is? [02:46] <rbelem> morning kiko [02:47] <SloMo_> rbelem: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id2515628 [02:50] <rbelem> SloMo_, I already tried the DEB_PYTHON_BUILD_ARGS option, but the same error occurs [02:51] <SloMo_> what error? [02:51] <rbelem> cd . && python setup.py build --build-base="./libixp/python/" [02:51] <rbelem> python: can't open file 'setup.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory [02:54] <SloMo_> DEB_PYTHON_SETUP_CMD := libixp/python/setup.py [02:54] <SloMo_> maybe [02:54] <SloMo_> (don't know much about python packaging ;) ) [02:54] <rbelem> hum... ;-) [02:55] <rbelem> cool ;-) [02:55] <rbelem> i'll try it now [02:56] <kiko> hey rbelem [02:56] <kiko> where is setup.py defined? [02:57] <rbelem> hey kiko [02:58] <rbelem> kiko, setup.py is in libixp/python/ [02:59] <kiko> yeah [02:59] <kiko> that would need to be [02:59] <kiko> well [02:59] <kiko> you could actually do [02:59] <kiko> cd ./libixp/python; python setup.py build [03:00] <kiko> does that work for you? [03:00] <rbelem> it works for the previous way, pkg [03:01] <rbelem> something like that [03:01] <rbelem> cd ${CURDIR}/libixp/python; \ [03:01] <rbelem> ${MAKE} clean; \ [03:01] <rbelem> python2.4 setup.py build; \ [03:01] <rbelem> python2.4 setup.py install --root=${CURDIR}/debian/python2.4-ixplib [03:08] <rbelem> SloMo_, i tried with this "DEB_PYTHON_SETUP_CMD" option, now the error is gcc: ixplib.c: No such file or directory [03:12] <rbelem> hey kiko [03:12] <siretart> hi [03:13] <sistpoty> huhu siretart [03:13] <siretart> breaking UVF for getting a package built and reinstallable is a valid reason, is it? ;) [03:13] <siretart> huhu sistpoty [03:13] <rbelem> kiko, do you know a parameter where setup.py will search for dependencies? [03:13] <kiko> rbelem, where is ixplib.c? [03:13] <kiko> this looks very wrong [03:13] <siretart> sistpoty: I did some uploads in UniverseUnmetDeps, I guess you got some mails [03:14] <sistpoty> er... yes [03:14] <siretart> ok [03:14] <siretart> :) [03:14] <sistpoty> :) [03:14] <rbelem> kiko, humm... i'll look for [03:16] <rbelem> kiko, i didn't find, but when i do cd libixp/python/; python setup.py build it works [03:17] <rbelem> kiko, when i type python libixp/python/setup.py build the error occurs [03:18] <kiko> rbelem, as I said above, you should cd into the directory -- what is the problem with that? [03:18] <rbelem> kiko, i don't know where put this with cdbs [03:19] <kiko> where is seb128? [03:19] <kiko> rbelem, join #ubuntu [03:20] <rbelem> kiko, is there a parameter like --root=${CURDIR}/debian/python2.4-ixplib to specify where the setup.py can find the files? [03:22] <kiko> there may be, seb128 will know [03:35] <rbelem> kiko, SloMo_ : i have a class now. i have to go [04:14] <dholbach> hellas [04:15] <Nafallo> dholbach: morning :-) [04:15] <\sh> hey dholbach [04:15] <ogra> holla [04:15] <dholbach> i handed in my thesis! ROCK'N'ROLL! :) [04:15] <ogra> yay [04:15] <\sh> dholbach: so u r in berlin on the 3rd :) GREAT! [04:15] <dholbach> \sh: i think so :) [04:16] <dholbach> thanksssssss :) [04:16] <\sh> dholbach: and congrats :) [04:16] <SloMo_> hi dholbach :) [04:16] <dholbach> now only waiting for the last exam result and the "defending of the thesis" and i'm set :) [04:16] <dholbach> hey slomo :) [04:16] <dholbach> SloMo_: nice work on the wiki page :) [04:17] <dholbach> yay for epiphany :) [04:17] <SloMo_> hm, i only fixed a typo, nothing more ;) [04:17] <dholbach> ah ok :) [04:18] <Nafallo> dholbach: you get mail when I edit SwedishTeam*, right? ;-) [04:18] <dholbach> yes :) [04:18] <SloMo_> but i would support that ;) i don't like firefox... but in that case it only makes sense when we get a libgecko or something which is independent of firefox/mozill [04:18] <Nafallo> lol [04:19] <dholbach> SloMo_: ++ [04:19] <SloMo_> Nafallo: he gets email when anything on the wiki changes ;) [04:24] <dholbach> ok boys, i'm off to the do-it-yourself-market [04:24] <dholbach> see you around [04:24] <dholbach> *wave* :-) [04:34] <SloMo_> waaah... hopefully he comes back in a few hours ;) [05:41] <Yagisan> ogra: ping [05:43] <ogra> Yagisan, pong [05:45] <Yagisan> ogra: I have a package, that is not in Debian or Ubuntu, but comes from a 3rd party repo [05:45] <ogra> nice [05:45] <Yagisan> it has already got several revisions [05:45] <siretart> Yagisan: where is it? [05:45] <ogra> in revu ? [05:45] <Yagisan> yes [05:46] <Yagisan> Now, I've been told it needs an -ubuntu vesrion suffix [05:46] <Yagisan> look for deng in revu [05:46] <ogra> if you made ubuntu specific changes to it, thats true [05:46] <siretart> Yagisan: ah, you are jamie jones, then ;) [05:47] <Yagisan> now, I'd like people to be able to upgrade from the 3rd party repo to ubuntu [05:47] <Yagisan> yep - thats me :) [05:47] <Yagisan> I actually AM the upstream repo [05:47] <siretart> Yagisan: whats the version in your 3rd part repo? [05:48] <Yagisan> currently 1.8.9+1.9.0beta2-5 [05:48] <siretart> Yagisan: in that case, I'd suggest that you prepare an upload with version 1.8.9+1.9.0beta2-5ubuntu1 [05:49] <SloMo_> and except the versionnumber the package seems alright now (when he uploads his local version ;) ) [05:49] <siretart> SloMo_: yes. but since the package is not in debian yet, it really should have *ubuntu* in its version [05:50] <siretart> Yagisan: this is to prevent the syncing scripts to sync from debian should a package with the same name appear there [05:50] <Yagisan> hmm, [05:52] <siretart> Yagisan: you are sceptic? [05:52] <Yagisan> I can change it, but the -ubuntu will go on the version in REVU so the existing beta2-7 will update [05:52] <Yagisan> and I get a clean upgrade from th public side [05:52] <Yagisan> No, not sceptic [05:53] <Yagisan> I just don't want to break the migration of beta testers, and the public repo [05:53] <siretart> Yagisan: err, you told above that the latest released revision of your package is -5? [05:54] <Yagisan> public is -5, several system have the -7 in revu [05:54] <siretart> Yagisan: err, your testers grab packages directly from revu?! [05:54] <Yagisan> nope, I sent it out before revu [05:54] <siretart> since they have to build them anyway, I wouldn't care that much. those you can build packages, can also downgrade ;) [05:55] <siretart> well, if you want to support also -7 installations, then upload with revision -7ubuntu1 [05:55] <siretart> no problem [05:55] <Yagisan> No probs. (I just would rather not break things) [05:56] <Yagisan> now, you may have noticed my large suggests line [05:56] <Yagisan> how much space do you have in revu ;) [05:56] <siretart> Yagisan: I hope revu will move soon [05:57] <siretart> revu is about 2gb, have to do some cleanups [05:57] <siretart> Yagisan: where do these *-installer packages come from? [05:58] <Yagisan> siretart: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/doomsday.html [05:58] <Yagisan> I have to update them now deng is policy compliant [05:58] <Yagisan> same with the data packs [05:59] <siretart> Yagisan: are these freely distributable? [05:59] <Yagisan> installers yes, data packs non-commercial so multiverse [05:59] <siretart> that would be awesome to have them in breezy :) [06:00] <Yagisan> I'd love to have them in brezy [06:00] <Yagisan> brb - baby trouble [06:00] <SloMo_> ok... i'm leave now until tomorrow ;) Yagisan, you'll get my vote tomorrow when you've uploaded the fixed version :) and as tomorrow is review day try to upload as much from the suggest stuff as possible ;) [06:01] <Yagisan> SloMo_ 300MB+ ??!!?? [06:01] <siretart> I'm not sure if those *-installer packages should be in Suggests, but I don't se any valid reasons against [06:02] <siretart> Yagisan: what is the plan for the near future, which packages shall follow after 'deng'? [06:03] <Yagisan> the installers, then the jdoom model packs, jdoom textures, jdoom ui [06:04] <Yagisan> followed by jheretic versions, then jhexen versions [06:04] <Yagisan> the installers put the .wad file in the right spot, and create a menu entry [06:04] <Yagisan> you must already own a wad file, and I can make an installer for the shareware wad [06:05] <Yagisan> no commercial wads are distributed. [06:05] <sistpoty> the screenshots look awesome! [06:05] <siretart> Yagisan: ok. do you intend to get them im debian, too? [06:06] <Yagisan> You should see it when it's fully kitted out with whats in my repo [06:06] <Yagisan> yes [06:06] <Yagisan> but ubuntu first, as I use ubuntu on my desktops [06:07] <Yagisan> when it goes to debian it will be in non-free which isn't really debian [06:07] <siretart> are you DD? [06:07] <Yagisan> no [06:07] <Nafallo> -ENOAMD64 :-( [06:07] <siretart> then you'll most probably have problems finding a sponsor anyway [06:07] <Lathiat> Nafallo: heh [06:08] <Yagisan> Nafallo: soory, it's not 64bit clean [06:08] <siretart> Nafallo: I think Mithrandir can help you with that ;) [06:08] <siretart> oh. jdoom not 64bit clean? :( [06:08] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: I have a breezy+1 goal for you ;-) [06:08] <siretart> er, s/jdoom/deng/ [06:09] <Yagisan> deng has 3 "parts" jdoom, "jheretic", jhexen" [06:09] <Nafallo> it would however be nice to have it amd64 clean for SFD ;-) [06:09] <siretart> Yagisan: just curious, how do they relate? [06:09] <Lathiat> wow havent played those games in... [06:09] <Lathiat> a looong time [06:10] <Yagisan> deng is the core engine, jdoom, jheretic and jhexen are plugins [06:10] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: is multi-arch breezy+1 goal btw? :-) [06:10] <siretart> I see [06:10] <Yagisan> to play doom, you load the jdoom .so [06:10] <sistpoty> btw.: does anyone happen to know something 'bout the idouts-dir on the id-software ftp? [06:10] <Yagisan> sistpoty: no [06:10] <Yagisan> it also helps with a DFSG problem [06:11] <sistpoty> id has released doom and some other games there, but i couldn't do anything with the exe-files in there [06:11] <Yagisan> I found the 64bit problem a while ago, and have tried a few patches from upstream [06:11] <sistpoty> but i don't think, it's allowed to redistribute these [06:12] <Yagisan> but it need a bit of work, and upstream is finishing his masters [06:12] <Yagisan> so no major updates until northern hemisphere autumn [06:12] <Nafallo> Yagisan: where lives upstream? :-) [06:12] <Yagisan> finland [06:13] <Nafallo> I was hoping on Sweden :-). Ericsson, death metal and doom would have been a great combo ;-) [06:16] <Yagisan> anyone comapring the website I posted, and my suggests list will notice the package lists don't match [06:17] <siretart> Yagisan: Did I understand that correctly, you are upstream of deng? [06:17] <Yagisan> no [06:17] <Yagisan> I am upstream packager [06:17] <Nafallo> upstream finland, packager australia :-) [06:17] <Yagisan> yep [06:18] <Yagisan> I've been separating the resource packs, for smaller downloads of what the user would like [06:19] <siretart> ah. I see [06:19] <Yagisan> I've got a fantastic reportbug setup on those packages [06:19] <Yagisan> if it breaks, it grabs everything needed to help fix it [06:21] <siretart> Yagisan: I hope you don't intend to upload 300mb to revu ;) [06:21] <siretart> Yagisan: in that case, I think we should handle your packages in another way. I think we can process them with the ExpandingUniverse task, without revu [06:22] <Yagisan> siretart - no, sources only should be much less then that [06:22] <siretart> ok [06:22] <siretart> but I expect that packages are very similar, yes? [06:23] <\sh> back [06:23] <siretart> wb \sh [06:23] <Yagisan> It is about 240MB of source but I expect to trim that, and most of it turns into arch -all [06:24] <Yagisan> packages are rather similar [06:24] <siretart> Yagisan: puh. thats still way too much to process them conviniently with revu [06:24] <Nafallo> atleast deng builds on amd64 [06:24] <Yagisan> siretart: I know, but core engine needs to go in first [06:25] <siretart> jupp [06:25] <Yagisan> siretart: everything else is just data [06:25] <siretart> I'm waiting for your new upload with *ubuntu* in its version :) [06:25] <Yagisan> Nafallo, build yes, run no :( (I have amd64) [06:26] <Yagisan> sireatart: it will arrive once I fix some lintian overides [06:27] <Nafallo> let's see what goes wrong :-). [06:35] <bddebian> Howdy [06:36] <\sh> siretart: ping...u worked on vflib3? [06:36] <siretart> \sh: sorry, I dont think so [06:37] <\sh> ok...I had this bug on my bum anyways [06:37] <siretart> ok [06:52] <Nafallo> how do we normally solve warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size? [06:53] <Nafallo> s/int/long/ ? [06:53] <siretart> Nafallo: that happens to work in many cases [06:53] <Nafallo> I know. but is it clean for !64-bit to? :-) [06:53] <siretart> Nafallo: it depends every time on the case. most probably, the code should get a review [06:54] <\sh> Nafallo: yes [06:54] <siretart> Nafallo: yes [06:54] <\sh> Nafallo: int == long on 32bit [06:54] <Nafallo> \sh: ahh, nifty :-) [06:54] <\sh> at least on x86 ,-) [06:54] <Nafallo> I get lots of those in deng ;-) [06:55] <siretart> there are some developers which assert sizeof(void*) = sizeof(int). thats definitly broken and should be fixed [06:56] <Nafallo> yay! 293 of those errors ;-) [06:56] <siretart> Yagisan: how many traffic do you expect from your deng/jdoom mirror? [06:56] <siretart> many or much? hmm [06:56] <siretart> alisher: ? [06:56] <Yagisan> siretart: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/analog.html [06:56] <\sh> ah did I say on hoary: suspend to ram and hibernate is working even with hotkeys? [06:57] <siretart> Yagisan: how big is it? [06:57] <Yagisan> my mirror is my home adsl line [06:57] <Yagisan> gets quite a few hits perday [06:58] <Yagisan> and a huge spike when I release a new version [06:58] <Yagisan> (and I'm in Australia, do you know how slow internet is here!) [06:59] <\sh> Yagisan: u need space and bandwidth? [06:59] <Yagisan> only until the core gets into ubuntu [07:01] <siretart> Yagisan: well, I think I could mirror some files for you at tauware.de. perhaps sh can, too [07:02] <\sh> no prob... [07:02] <Nafallo> Yagisan: you could change Architecture: any to !64-arches :-) [07:02] <Yagisan> thanks. After I've done some work on the packages, I'll clean the repo up, and then we can set up some rsync magic [07:02] <\sh> siretart: 4TB freetraffic from next month on :) [07:03] <siretart> \sh: sounds great :) [07:03] <ogra> YAY [07:04] <\sh> ogra: yeah...for this month i've alread 230GB, last month it was 400GB ,-) [07:04] <\sh> u don't name the "mozilla dreamweaver crap" ? ,-) [07:04] <ogra> thats a bit more then the 2G hwdb draws every month :) [07:04] <Yagisan> Nafallo: Will do, anyone want to build it on all other arches :) [07:05] <ogra> \sh, i do... its my worst headache .... its a edubuntu requirement and i have to push it to main [07:05] <\sh> ogra: my condolences [07:05] <ogra> heh... to late, already fixed [07:05] <Yagisan> Nafallo, so what exactly should I put in the arch line for !64nit, but everything else [07:06] <Nafallo> i386, ppc I guess. [07:06] <Nafallo> maybe sparc and hppa to? ;-) [07:06] <jamessan|work> isn't ppc 64bit? [07:06] <Yagisan> anyone with a spacr or ahppa want to test :) [07:06] <Yagisan> no, ppc is 32bit [07:06] <jamessan|work> I thought the powerbooks were [07:06] <jamessan|work> hrm [07:06] <Yagisan> ppc64 is different [07:07] <jamessan|work> ah, ok [07:07] <Yagisan> kernel 64bit, userspace 32 [07:07] <Yagisan> last time I checked there was no advantage in ppc64 over ppc [07:08] <Yagisan> dumb question time. how do I override a heap of "binary-without-manpage" errors from lintian [07:08] <jamessan|work> write manpages ;) [07:10] <Yagisan> not for libs! [07:10] <Yagisan> internal libs, used only by deng, in deng directory [07:11] <jamessan|work> why do you have a lib that's being detected as a binary? [07:12] <Yagisan> most likely because the path to it is /usr/games/deng/lib [07:14] <siretart> Yagisan: the sparc port is 32bit, too [07:14] <siretart> ah, never mind [07:15] <\sh> so sparc32 [07:16] <\sh> Yagisan: shlib magic [07:16] <Yagisan> sparc32 is the arch line ? [07:16] <\sh> we don't support sparc, right? [07:16] <siretart> Yagisan: /usr/games/lib/deng? where have you seen that? [07:17] <siretart> Yagisan: I feel its wrong and should rather go to /usr/lib/deng, but I can be wrong, too [07:17] <Yagisan> siretart: path is /usr/games/deng/lib [07:18] <Yagisan> deng would rather dump it all in /usr/lib [07:18] <Yagisan> ick [07:18] <siretart> Yagisan: which seems to me more sane.. I'm not sure if /usr/games/.../lib is right [07:18] <siretart> Yagisan: but feel free to ask in #ubuntu-devel [07:19] <Yagisan> well, while in theory other apps could use the libs, in practice nothing does [07:20] <Yagisan> that and the libs would not work with other versions [07:22] <\sh> siretart: remember this pacman clone? [07:23] <siretart> \sh: pacman clone? sorry? [07:25] <\sh> siretart: the package I made the last time? [07:25] <\sh> dunno the name anymore *lol* [07:29] <siretart> \sh: aaah, sure [07:29] <siretart> \sh: is it already uploaded? [07:29] <\sh> i don't think so [07:29] <siretart> I remember.. what was the name [07:30] <siretart> something with n [07:30] <siretart> njam? [07:30] <\sh> yes :) [07:30] <siretart> ah :) [07:30] <\sh> I have to get it from my rootie [07:30] <siretart> :) [07:33] <\sh> but first i have to fix this vflib3 [08:04] <\sh> re [08:06] <derek> are there plans for a newer hula package? [08:10] <ogra> derek, herzi did the last one for us, i dont know if he prepared a new one [08:10] <ogra> there was not much response or inteest in it it in the last release seems... [08:11] <Nafallo> siretart, \sh: how is long handled in windows? the package is for both operative systems [08:11] <derek> ogra: alright, i was just wondering, thanks [08:11] <\sh> Nafallo: same [08:11] <Yagisan> Nafallo: and mac [08:11] <\sh> Nafallo: but win32!=win64 [08:11] <ogra> derek, if you want a new one, poke herzi :) [08:12] <Yagisan> win64 should be different [08:13] <derek> ogra: bit that big of a deal, i just use it for play, not mature enough for my email server yet :) [08:13] <Nafallo> if int should be long we should just have to edit the files then ;-) [08:13] <ogra> hehm thats what i hear everywhere [08:13] <ogra> :) [08:13] <derek> another question i have is with jabberd, are you all familiar with it? [08:14] <ogra> derek, \sh's country :) [08:14] <\sh> whats up with jabberd [08:15] <\sh> 1 or 2? [08:15] <derek> \sh: either or [08:15] <derek> i have a usage question [08:15] <derek> i want to deploy it in my small company [08:15] <derek> and i want a global buddy list (so everyone is on everyone else's [08:15] <derek> ) [08:15] <derek> is that possible [08:15] <\sh> yes/no ,-) [08:16] <derek> \sh: GREAT answer :) [08:16] <\sh> without jabberadmin work no ways :) [08:16] <\sh> u can have shared rosters yes, but u have to put them into the roster by hand [08:16] <derek> hmm, alright [08:16] <\sh> I would say, tryout ejabberd [08:16] <\sh> I'll tell you why: [08:17] <\sh> jabberd is old and in the next couple of months obsolete [08:17] <\sh> jabberd2 has some pitfalls and issues with utf8 [08:17] <\sh> ejabberd is written Erlangen, but works out of the box .. the config is != XML and it has a build in webadmin featureset and even http polling [08:18] <derek> ok [08:18] <derek> how easy is it to confiugre? [08:18] <\sh> I'm running it on my public jabber service now and I don't have any problems just like with jabberd2 [08:18] <\sh> easy [08:18] <\sh> if u do the first config by hand, then u can do the rest via webadmin [08:18] <\sh> it has all nifty modules like pubsub etc. included [08:18] <derek> ok [08:18] <derek> and it has all the transports/ [08:19] <\sh> no [08:19] <\sh> the transports are addons. [08:19] <derek> right, but they all work with it? [08:19] <\sh> I'm using pyicq-t, pyaim-t and pymsn-t [08:19] <\sh> yes [08:19] <derek> do the aim/msn transports support server side buddylists yet? [08:19] <\sh> yahoo is a bit tricky...I have to build a package for it to include in breezy+1 [08:20] <derek> heh ok [08:20] <derek> what bout serverside bl's? [08:21] <\sh> bl? [08:21] <derek> buddylists [08:21] <derek> for aim/msn [08:21] <\sh> ah no problem with it :) [08:21] <\sh> but they won't be updated if you include new buddies [08:22] <\sh> (the native serverside buddylists) [08:22] <derek> oh, so if i add a buddy through aim, then sign on to jabber with transports, they won't be fixed? [08:22] <derek> *updated? [08:22] <\sh> if you add a new buddy to aim...they will be updated through the transport [08:22] <\sh> but if you add a new aim-buddy with your jabber client, they won't be updated at aims server [08:22] <derek> ohh, ok,,, thats not horrible [08:24] <derek> if only i could get ejabberd to authenticate via my ad or nt5 domains [08:24] <\sh> hmmm..ldap is in the new version [08:25] <\sh> if you can export your active directory to openldap no problem [08:25] <derek> haha yeah, but then it has to be exported everytime a change is made [08:25] <torkel> Would it be possible to get a sync of openafs from Sid so there is at least a chance of having a working afs-client in Breezy? or is that to late? [08:26] <siretart> sistpoty: I fiddled a bit at the apache on tauware [08:26] <\sh> derek: that's a problem of AD :) I mean, u don't have to change anything on the OpenLDAP site...it should only be synced automatically [08:26] <siretart> sistpoty: now http://siretart.tauware.de/svn/revu2/trunk publicy accessible :) [08:27] <derek> \sh: true [08:28] <\sh> derek: but forget AD..the data u have to provide is simple...about how many users are we talking? [08:28] <derek> 15-20 [08:30] <derek> \sh: also, which jabber client do you reccomend? [08:30] <\sh> derek: native jabber? [08:30] <derek> yeah [08:30] <\sh> derek: psi [08:30] <derek> what about gtk :) [08:30] <\sh> or tkabber [08:31] <\sh> derek: well...that's the problem...I didn't find a gtk/gnome jabber client with all the features of psi [08:31] <\sh> tkabber (tcl/tk) is an alternative..but occupies the screen [08:31] <derek> hmm, ok [08:31] <\sh> psi is doing the work here even on gnome... [08:31] <derek> but that means that qt libraries have to be installed [08:31] <\sh> or u can try exodus with wine *lol* [08:32] <\sh> yes... [08:32] <\sh> but only qt [08:32] <derek> thats true, so its not as bad as kde.... so what does psi have that the others don't? [08:32] <Nafallo> \sh: you should port psi then :-) [08:32] <\sh> service discovery (xmpp 1.0) [08:33] <\sh> old ssl style login [08:33] <\sh> gpg functionality [08:33] <derek> service discovery? [08:33] <\sh> yes...transports etc. are not defined directly with the names etc. inside the server (like jabberd1 does) [08:33] <derek> gpg functionality to make it secure? [08:33] <\sh> gpg for secure client2client communications [08:34] <derek> eyah [08:34] <derek> both sides need that though [08:34] <\sh> yes [08:34] <\sh> ssl is only for client2server communications [08:34] <\sh> but between server2server the communicationchannels are free2air ,-) [08:34] <derek> oh, so it encrypts so server can't log [08:34] <\sh> yes [08:35] <derek> woudl you reccomend psi for windows machines also? [08:35] <siretart> psi is 'just' qt? [08:36] <\sh> and service discovery means, that most of the services like JUD (Jabber User Directory), MUC (MultiUserChat), ICQ/pubsub etc. pp. are setting their own name, and the client is sending out an xml request to server, the server sends it to the services and the service is answering for itself [08:36] <derek> ohh cool [08:36] <\sh> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-7), libqca1c2, libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.4), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.0-7), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) [08:36] <\sh> yes [08:36] <\sh> derek: it's the new xmpp 1.0 spec [08:37] <Nafallo> \sh: you should port psi to gtk then :-) [08:37] <\sh> derek: psi will have in the next release (I hope so) even SRV REC recognition and TLS connects (so the old SSL login style is deprecated) [08:37] <\sh> Nafallo: no ways... [08:38] <Nafallo> \sh: we want it for dotUbuntu ;-) [08:38] <\sh> Nafallo: gaim should throw away all external IMs like ICQ etc. and should import some good transport jabber handling ;) [08:38] <Nafallo> \sh: which is shtoom, with means its your table ;-) [08:38] <derek> \sh: but would you reccomend psi for windows users also/ [08:38] <\sh> derek: yes...psi or exodus..depends, psi runs on unix/windows and mac os x [08:39] <\sh> exodus only on windows [08:39] <derek> ohh ok [08:39] <\sh> but the functionality between psi and exodus is mostly the same [08:39] <\sh> the most powerful client is even tkabber [08:39] <\sh> but from a usability point of view, useless ,-) [08:39] <\sh> but works nicely together with ejabberd, cause it comes from the same development crew [08:40] <derek> haha [08:40] <\sh> and it supports natively pubsub services [08:40] <\sh> Nafallo: what we need is SIP+Jabber Client [08:40] <\sh> or a native SIP transport for Jabber Servers [08:41] <Nafallo> \sh: so then you will work on shtoom a bit more then what the spec says then? :-) [08:41] <\sh> SER has a jabber service functionality insdie [08:41] <\sh> inside [08:41] <derek> \sh: so i think maybe i will deploy a psi solution :) [08:41] <siretart> *bling* SIP?! for jabber? [08:41] <\sh> siretart: code it fast hurry up ,-) [08:41] <siretart> how should that work? [08:41] <\sh> easy [08:41] <\sh> jabber is xml stream transport [08:42] <\sh> so the functionality is the same as for smtp2jabber and vice versa [08:42] <Nafallo> smtp2jabber? [08:43] <Nafallo> postfix logs? :-) [08:43] <siretart> hm. so jabber clients would have to integrate an SIP client? [08:43] <\sh> you frickle the SIP headers inside a xml service package, and send it to a SIP service for the jabber, this service removes the xml headers, send it to the next sip router [08:43] <\sh> siretart: well...something like this, or the transport service acts as a sip client itself...just like the icq or aim ones [08:44] <siretart> hm [08:44] <siretart> still sounds like vodoo to me ;) [08:44] <\sh> so the data transfer between e.g. sipgate.de and your jabber server comes only from the transport and redirects all to the jabber client, which can handle this special xml stream package [08:44] <\sh> siretart: peter and the others from jabber.org are working on a spec for it :) [08:45] <\sh> siretart: ulrich staudinger (manager at united internet) and jabber foundation board member are happy to see this coming :) [08:45] <siretart> \sh: with integration of gnomemeeting, that would be great :) [08:45] <siretart> hehe [08:45] <\sh> siretart: for what? h323 over jabber is the next step [08:45] <siretart> ah [08:46] <\sh> and there is one client who is able to do h.323 natively with jabber support...so the chat comes via jabber and the video via direct client2client h.323 ,-) [08:46] <Nafallo> wasn't gnomemeeting about to get support for SIP? [08:46] <\sh> yes [08:46] <\sh> but video + sip will be handled differently [08:46] <Nafallo> is that feature in breezy? :-) [08:46] <\sh> Nafallo: go away ,-) [08:46] <Nafallo> \sh: hehehe [08:47] <\sh> wow...that was a long interessting chat about jabbre [08:47] <\sh> -re+er [08:48] <\sh> Nafallo: can I put you on the goals list for shtoom+voip? [08:49] <\sh> or should I talk to JaneW that she's using her whip on you? ,-) [08:49] <Nafallo> \sh: what now? :-) [08:49] <Nafallo> \sh: what shall I do with it? :-) [08:49] <\sh> Nafallo: you can help me for breezy+1 [08:50] <Nafallo> \sh: I'm already on that list AFAIK? :-) [08:50] <\sh> ogra: u need a faster i-connection ,-) [08:50] <ogra> \sh, yes, after i moved out of NRW [08:51] <\sh> oh yes [08:51] <\sh> Nafallo: oh yes [08:51] <Nafallo> hehe [08:51] <\sh> ogra: wanna have my flat? it has 4Mbit/s down / 442kbit/s up [08:52] <\sh> hmmm.. [08:52] <ogra> \sh, how many animals can i get in there ? we want a donkey and some goats in the next house [08:52] <\sh> marks email address? [08:52] <ogra> mark@ubuntu.com ? [08:52] <\sh> ogra: come on...u r working on linux...how can u ride there a donkey [08:52] <\sh> dunno...ok [08:52] <\sh> well... [08:53] <ogra> \sh, why should i ride it ? [08:53] <\sh> a donkey can kick ass...if you don't function properly ,-) [08:53] <ogra> hehe, yes [08:53] <\sh> ogra: what r u doing then with a donkey? [08:53] <\sh> eat it? [08:53] <\sh> *eg* [08:53] <ogra> nah.. [08:53] <ogra> no idea, really... [08:53] <siretart> donkey salami? ;) [08:53] <\sh> hihihi [08:53] <ogra> just care for it, have it around, live with it [08:54] <\sh> damn...I just got a flash of laughing [08:54] <ogra> but first i have to find someone for the kittens [08:54] <\sh> ian has 2 now...I will ask him, if he needs more [08:54] <ogra> they will be born at breezy release time ... breezy badgr kittens [08:55] <\sh> I would really love to have a little cat again..but not in this flat, not when I'm alone...no [08:58] <\sh> nice...i can have this usb dvd burner for the weekend...I love dmitry [09:04] <\sh> ok...I will install breezy daily iso now...so I have to shutdown my network now :) hope this yukon ethernet device can handle X-UTP-Cables [09:04] <\sh> laters dude [09:34] <sistpoty> <- in the kitchen, getFood()... cya later [09:35] <torkel> ogra: would it be possible to get a sync of openafs from Sid so there is at least a chance of having a working afs client in Breezy? or is that to late? [09:36] <derek> \sh_away: i installed the aimtransport on ejabber, can't figure out how to actually sign on. I connect to the transport and i have to give a host,room and nickname [09:36] <siretart> torkel: whats the problem with the current openafs in breezy? [09:36] <siretart> (never had a look at that) [09:37] <ogra> torkel, its quite late, but i can try... [09:37] <torkel> siretart: among others it does not compile with 2.6.12... [09:38] <ogra> if it fixes ftbfs that would be a good one [09:38] <torkel> ogra: that would be great [09:38] <\sh> back [09:38] <siretart> err, I'd consider a sync to get it work a pretty valid reason [09:38] <siretart> even built/installable [09:38] <ogra> yep [09:38] <derek> \sh: did you see my problme? [09:43] <derek> \sh: nm, i figured it out [09:43] <\sh> grmpf [09:43] <\sh> i should disable the dhcp server [09:43] <derek> lol [09:43] <\sh> then it doesn't destroy my dsl connection at all [09:43] <\sh> *grmpf* [09:44] <\sh> derek: what was the problem? [09:44] <derek> i had trouble wiht the transport [09:44] <derek> i got ti working [09:44] <derek> for aim transport, i have to authorize ALL of my buddies? [09:45] <\sh> sure [09:45] <derek> heh [09:45] <\sh> sure [09:45] <\sh> even for icq [09:45] <\sh> and msn [09:45] <derek> thats a pain [09:47] <\sh> brb [09:57] <derek> \sh: jabber is pretty cool! i can sign in at multiple places at once, does it send messages to multiple places? [09:57] <\sh> derek: sure...if you select your contacts on one server it send to all of them a message [09:58] <ajmitch> morning [09:58] <\sh> hey ajmitch [09:58] <\sh> and switching between uk layout and de layout is a minus for me [09:59] <siretart> hi ajmitch [09:59] <ajmitch> what's up? [10:00] <Yagisan> morning [10:00] <derek> so, if i am signed on through psi, gossip, and gaim, and someone im's me, i recieve it on all three? [10:00] <ajmitch> hi [10:00] <ajmitch> aha, today is review day! :) [10:01] <\sh> derek: well....normally yes...if someone sends u a message on derek@jabber.org/Psi (and your resource is psi) then it will only received on the Psi resource [10:01] <\sh> but if you provide the same resource on all three, then it determines the priority [10:01] <\sh> set it to 5 on all with the same resource and try [10:01] <derek> oh, ok, what about if someone on aim sends me a message? will it go to all 3? [10:02] <\sh> no...all external transports can only be signed in once [10:02] <derek> so which does it chose? [10:02] <derek> the only one i sign on on [10:02] <derek> got it [10:02] <\sh> so if you connect first with gossip, and try to connect your account with psi...then gossip will lose the connection to the aim transport and psi takes over [10:03] <\sh> derek: multiple connects same resource same prio works only with jabber itself [10:03] <derek> ohh cool [10:04] <derek> i want to make a personal jabber server.... too bad my connection sucks [10:04] <\sh> the transports are acting like a single icq/aim/msn/yahoo client [10:04] <\sh> if you need more icq accounts on one account, you have to setup multiple instances of one transport [10:04] <derek> so if i login with 2 clients, and i login to the transport on both clients.... [10:04] <\sh> derek: use mine :) [10:05] <derek> \sh: i want the experience of running my own server [10:05] <\sh> derek: the latest connect will win, and the first connect loses the connection to the transport [10:05] <derek> \sh: ohhh, so if i just add a bunch of instances of that one transport, i should be fine [10:06] <derek> \sh: i want a vds to run a mail [10:06] <derek> server on [10:06] <derek> and webserver [10:06] <derek> now jabber too! [10:06] <\sh> derek: yeah..but it takes memory and ports [10:06] <derek> \sh: right [10:06] <\sh> derek: so every instance of one transport needs a new port number assigned [10:07] <\sh> the discovery is done via psi or tkabber or exodus [10:07] <derek> so thats why most public servers don't have many transports? [10:07] <derek> uses too many ports? [10:07] <\sh> derek: yes and no...most servers are allowing only one icq/aim/msn/yahoo connect [10:07] <\sh> per user [10:07] <derek> yeah, makes sense [10:07] <\sh> and thats enough [10:07] <derek> hwo do i make a user an admin? [10:08] <\sh> but there are also some legal issues [10:08] <derek> legal issues? [10:08] <\sh> u set it in the configuration [10:08] <\sh> yes...you can [10:08] <derek> i can't login to the admin [10:08] <\sh> you can't offer commercial services with the aim,icq,msn etc. protocols [10:08] <derek> ohh, gotcha [10:08] <\sh> derek: ejabberd? [10:09] <derek> yeah [10:09] <derek> i can't login to the webadmin without an admin account [10:09] <\sh> {acl, admin, {user, "sh"}}. [10:09] <\sh> thats the admin [10:09] <derek> where do i do that? [10:09] <\sh> and the admin account for webamdin is sh@<first jabber domain> [10:09] <\sh> in ejabberd.cfg [10:10] <derek> gotcha [10:10] <\sh> sh is me [10:10] <derek> hehe yeha [10:14] <derek> \sh: it also keeps track of offline messages (obviously not of transports, but of jabber) [10:14] <\sh> yes... [10:14] <\sh> derek: offline messages are handled by the propietary protocol servers [10:15] <derek> \sh: what do you mean? [10:15] <\sh> derek: icq handles offline messages directly on their servers [10:16] <derek> right, jabber has it on its servers though [10:16] <\sh> if someones not online in icq, the message is send to the icq server and later when the contact comes online the server determines this and send the message [10:16] <\sh> derek: right...jabber handles this also with the server [10:16] <derek> cool [10:16] <derek> so if i send an offline message to your server, it is stored on your server not mine right? [10:18] <\sh> yes [10:18] <derek> cool [10:36] <derek> \sh: is it possible to hide offline buddys in psi? [10:37] <\sh> yes [10:37] <derek> do you know offhand how? [10:37] <\sh> the first button in the top line left [10:37] <derek> oh that works :) [10:39] <derek> \sh: jabber is great, thank you soo much for all your help! [10:39] <\sh> derek: u r welcome... [10:51] <Treenaks> Shall I take a picture of the Turkish eating house "Kismet" tomorrow? :) [10:53] <Nafallo> lol [10:55] <\sh> Treenaks: u r in turkey now? [10:55] <Treenaks> \sh: no, Amsterdam has Turkish eating houses :) [10:55] <Treenaks> \sh: lots of them [10:56] <\sh> kebap houses [10:56] <Treenaks> \sh: stuff like that, yeah [10:56] <\sh> or as we in germany are saying: doenerstube [11:01] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: I hope to make multiarch one at least, yes. [11:01] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: what's the goal? [11:03] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: games :-) [11:03] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: http://www.magicalforest.se/tmp/deng-errors.txt :-P [11:03] <Mithrandir> there's not really many linux games, at least not if you talk about commercial ones. :-( [11:05] <Nafallo> more about deng :-) [11:05] <Mithrandir> oh, joy, which game is that? [11:06] <siretart> a free doom clone [11:07] <Nafallo> and heretic, and hexen, and and and :-) [11:07] <Nafallo> I'm trying to find the homepage :-) [11:07] <Yagisan> look at my website [11:08] <Yagisan> linked from here http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/doomsday.html [11:08] <Yagisan> upstream homepage is out of date [11:08] <Nafallo> that site yes :-) [11:09] <Nafallo> Yagisan: Mithrandir is our amd64 god :-) [11:09] <Yagisan> :) [11:09] <Mithrandir> heh ;-) [11:10] <Mithrandir> that seems mostly fixable, though [11:10] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: just try to make those 293 cast-warnings to longs? ;-) [11:11] <\sh> Mithrandir: ah yes...U want only to play a doom clone on amd64 ;) [11:11] <Nafallo> it builds, it just that it can't run ;-) [11:11] <Mithrandir> I guess this is universe, right? :-) [11:11] <Nafallo> and multiverse [11:11] <Nafallo> you got free time in the weekend ;-) [11:12] <Mithrandir> :-P [11:12] <Mithrandir> well, I doubt I'm going to spend much time on it, there's plenty of RC bugs still left. [11:13] <Nafallo> hehe, then I'll look at it and we make the package !64-bit atm? ;-) [11:15] <Mithrandir> just leave it failing for now, I guess. [11:16] <Nafallo> Yagisan: you heard the god :-) [11:16] <Nafallo> Yagisan: I'll file bugs on you when it's in the archive ;-) [11:17] <Yagisan> sobs, you hate my package :'( [11:17] <Nafallo> lol [11:17] <Yagisan> lol [11:17] <Yagisan> I fixed the control, it won't try to build on amd64 now [11:17] <Yagisan> so no (new) bugs for me [11:17] <Nafallo> baah, then I can't file bugs ;-) [11:18] <Yagisan> yes you can, load heretic, get to level 2, save, then try to load, instant seg fault [11:19] <Nafallo> haha [11:19] <Nafallo> I won't even be able to run it ;-) [11:30] <Yagisan> siretart: Mind if I upload the 7 deng iwad installers to revu (only 200k total) ? [11:30] <siretart> Yagisan: sure [11:30] <Yagisan> siretart: thanks, though I should ask before bulk uploading [11:31] <Nafallo> Yagisan: more fun to let siretart nuke you though ;-) [11:32] <Yagisan> Nafallo: :) If I sent my entire repo, he would [11:33] <Yagisan> OK, any i386 or ppc people with an appropriate iwad can now use the deng package with menus. [11:37] <ajmitch> Yagisan: great - I haven't managed to get to the ppc box & test yet :) [11:39] <Yagisan> ajmitch: no problems :) package is much improved since you saw it last (I wrote some up to date documentation) [11:41] <Yagisan> any deng packages testers, there is a reportbug script setup in the package, please run reportbug to report [11:41] <Yagisan> success or failures. WRT failures, deng deletes its logs on startup, so run reportbug after it crashes. Thanks [11:42] <kezz> whats deng? [11:43] <Yagisan> kezz: doom sourceport. [11:44] <kezz> ah thanks [11:44] <kezz> i'll try it [11:44] <Yagisan> kezz: thanks, it's at revu [11:44] <kezz> k [11:50] <opi> review day is today? :( [11:51] <opi> I'm fixing qemu package, but I don't know if I'll manage to put it together today, bah [11:53] <ajmitch> yes, review day is today, but that doesn't stop us from reviewing any other time :) [11:53] <opi> yeah ;) [11:53] <opi> but since you're going to be at it

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.377499

2005-08-22-#ubuntu-kernel

[01:36] <BenC> that's funny [01:37] <BenC> that "frenzy" happened about 30 minutes from where I live [01:37] <BenC> crazy rednecks [01:47] <dilinger> haha [06:22] <fabbione> morning [06:22] <desrt> :D [06:22] <desrt> welcome back, dude [06:22] <fabbione> desrt: I HATE YOU ALL! I WANT TO GO BACK IN HOLIDAYS! [06:22] <desrt> woh [06:22] <fabbione> ;) [06:22] <desrt> sounds like you could really use another week or two :P [06:23] <fabbione> easily... [06:23] <desrt> anyway.. i was hacking yaboot on the weekend [06:23] <desrt> as it is, breezy won't boot on an xserve unless it has a videocard [06:23] <fabbione> hmmm [06:23] <desrt> i have a fix [06:24] <desrt> but...... [06:24] <fabbione> but? [06:24] <desrt> it disables the stage 1 yaboot menu [06:24] <desrt> ie: it just loads stage 2 directly [06:24] <desrt> (stage1 is the part that has a problem) [06:24] <fabbione> i don't think that's a solution [06:24] <desrt> well, it is for me :) [06:24] <fabbione> yeah for you... [06:24] <desrt> it's only a problem if you have multiple OSes installed (macos dualboot) [06:24] <desrt> i'm working on generalising the code [06:25] <desrt> but work has been a bit hectic the past week [06:25] <desrt> + i don't know forth :) [07:08] <fabbione> BenC: still awake? [07:26] <infinity> Gar, is there something mind-numblingly obvious I'm missing, or is the kernel bridging interface really such utter shit? [07:26] <infinity> When I unplug a cable from one of the bridged interfaces, the whole bridge goes down. YAY. [07:26] <infinity> (Or power cycle the system it's plugged into, or whatever) [07:27] <fabbione> eth brinding? [07:27] <fabbione> that shouldn't happen [07:27] <infinity> ethernet, yes. When one interface loses linkbeat, the bridge dies. [07:27] <fabbione> are you sure you have no userland tools checking via mii that the iface is connected to a cable? [07:28] <infinity> (Doesn't actually down the interface, just stops relaying packets, even after the linkbeat comes back) [07:28] <infinity> Oh, it's possible. THe bridge is on a breezy desktop, so there might be some irritating magic going on. [07:28] <fabbione> becasue i use brindging on 2.4 on a dead iface to talk to xen domains [07:28] <infinity> Though I can't think of what (no, network-manager isn't installed) [07:28] <fabbione> infinity: try to do it in single user mode to see if it is userland? [07:33] <desrt> this is completely and totally awesome [07:35] <fabbione> desrt: what? [07:35] <desrt> excuse the paste [07:35] <desrt> 0 > boot hd:2,\\yaboot load-size=24830 adler32=ad6b4eba [07:35] <desrt> Loading ELF [07:35] <desrt> Config file read, 678 bytes [07:35] <desrt> Welcome to yaboot version 1.3.13 [07:35] <desrt> Enter "help" to get some basic usage information [07:35] <desrt> boot: [07:35] <desrt> Linux old [07:35] <desrt> boot: Linux [07:35] <desrt> Please wait, loading kernel... [07:35] <desrt> Elf32 kernel loaded... [07:35] <desrt> Loading ramdisk... [07:35] <desrt> i can interact with openfirmware (and yaboot) using a whole bunch of methods [07:36] <desrt> including -telnet- [07:36] <fabbione> yeah i knew that OF has telnetd [07:36] <desrt> that's awesome! [07:36] <desrt> like, crikey! [07:36] <fabbione> infinity: ask svenl for upgrades :) [07:37] <infinity> You think he'll swing me a dual G5 to replace my G3? :) [07:37] <fabbione> i meant software.. [07:37] <fabbione> and join the queue for g5's ;) [07:38] <infinity> Software's a no-go. You can't update the firmware on the Beige G3 past version 2.4 (which I have) [07:38] <infinity> OF didn't start sucking less until 3.0 (NewWorld), though. [07:39] <fabbione> i need to hook me up with a nice toy [07:39] <fabbione> probably i will soon get money for a new machine [07:39] <fabbione> and i don't want it to be i386 [07:39] <fabbione> either ppc or amd64 [07:39] <fabbione> not sure yet [07:39] <infinity> I like my amd64. [07:39] <infinity> And my ppc, for that matter. [07:39] <fabbione> or replace my server with a couple of sparcs [07:40] <fabbione> OR [07:41] <fabbione> make my workstation a new server [07:41] <fabbione> and buy a new workstation [07:44] <Mithrandir> amd64 is teh love. [07:44] <fabbione> yeah i know.. [07:46] <Mithrandir> and hi and good morning and stuff [07:58] <fabbione> hmmm [07:58] <fabbione> what's a good brand of ATA harddisks by now? [07:59] <fabbione> i have the following options: Maxtor, Seagate, WD [07:59] <calc> seagate seems good and iirc has 5 year warranty [08:00] <calc> i want my next system to be an amd64 mac mini [08:00] <fabbione> calc: i am looking for 4x300GB harddisk to replace my server [08:00] <fabbione> instead of the 8x120GB that i have now [08:01] <calc> maxtor/wd have shorter warranties iirc so seagate is likely the most reliable as well [08:01] <fabbione> Maxtor has 16MB of cache compared to the 8Mb of the others.. [08:01] <calc> and the seagate 7200.8 series goes up to 500gb [08:01] <fabbione> WD has 320GB instead of 300 of the others... [08:02] <fabbione> calc: i am looking at what's available around :) [08:02] <fabbione> at least on local hw shops [08:02] <calc> oh [08:02] <calc> seagate 400gb seems to be generally available so they may have that also [08:03] <fabbione> OH right [08:03] <fabbione> they are 2 lines below [08:03] <fabbione> they are double as expensive as the 300GB [08:03] <calc> i see 7200.8 400gb for sale via pricewatch already not sure if regular stores will have that yet [08:04] <calc> heh [08:04] <calc> yea i see 300gb seagate for $152 and 400gb for $230 on pricewatch which is still a bit expensive [08:05] <calc> oh yea the seagate sata drives do ncq as well, not sure about maxtor/wd [08:05] <fabbione> IMPRESSIVE [08:05] <fabbione> they are selling Apple.. they didn't use to [08:08] <fabbione> Mithrandir: what's a good SATA controller? [08:12] <fabbione> given the minimum differnce in price for the hd, it might be worth making the array SATA [09:30] <Mithrandir> fabbione: I've actually good experiences with the sii3114 [09:43] <Mithrandir> fabbione: do you have a kernel for me? [09:46] <fabbione> Mithrandir: Herbert is working on it [09:46] <Mithrandir> ok, cheers [10:00] <fabbione> jbailey: i managed to fix klibc on sparc64.. [10:23] <fabbione> Mithrandir: is the sii from 3ware? [10:23] <Mithrandir> no, silicon image [10:23] <fabbione> ok [10:24] <fabbione> of course my hw pusher doesn't have it [10:24] <Mithrandir> it's often onboard. [10:24] <fabbione> ah ok.. [10:24] <Mithrandir> and it's the chip name [10:24] <Mithrandir> http://www.hwb.no/artikkel/15307 [10:24] <Mithrandir> has a test of different controllers. [10:24] <fabbione> i am looking for a PCI card [10:26] <fabbione> the 3ware they have is the same as in that pic :) [10:28] <Mithrandir> well, read the article. It's fairly decent. [10:28] <fabbione> Kjernen benyttet under testingen var 2.6.8.1-5-amd64-k8-smp. Det ble brukt x86_64-versjonen av Warty. [10:28] <Mithrandir> you can read norwegian well enough, can't you? [10:28] <fabbione> yeah i think so :) [10:31] <fabbione> well it's a lot of benchmarks [10:31] <fabbione> but tbh i am not too interested into speed... [10:31] <fabbione> more about: "It works in Linux,, it doesn't work" [10:32] <Mithrandir> all of the controllers there work in Linux, obviously. :-P [10:32] <fabbione> yeah clearly :) [10:34] <fabbione> looking at the graphs, it makes me wish to buy SCSI :) [10:35] <Mithrandir> there's a SCSI controller in there as well [10:35] <fabbione> yeah.. that's why :) [10:49] <doko> fabbione: the 3ware's are fine controllers, but spend the extra money for the 9500 [10:56] <fabbione> doko: yeah.. it also costs a fortune :) [11:00] <infinity> Adaptec's 2410 isn't so bad. (or 2810 if you need 8 ports) [11:01] <infinity> I'd push the 3ware stuff if money was no object, but they are very pricey. [11:05] <fabbione> yeah [11:05] <fabbione> but given that it's one time expense.. i guess i can look into 3ware too [01:57] <mjg59> fabbione: I have ACPI fixup patches for you. Shall I just email a tarball with justification? [02:00] <fabbione> mjg59: that would do [02:02] <mjg59> fabbione: Ok, cool [02:04] <fabbione> mjg59: from now on, please start to CC BenC [02:05] <fabbione> he will take over the kernel soon.. [02:06] <mjg59> fabbione: Will do [02:06] <mjg59> fabbione: benc@canonical.com? [02:07] <fabbione> mjg59: meh.. hold on.. [02:07] <fabbione> ben.collins@ubuntu.com [02:07] <mjg59> Ok [02:39] <mjg59> fabbione: Mailed [02:40] <fabbione> mjg59: ok [02:40] <fabbione> you gotta be kidding... [02:40] <fabbione> 300KB of tar.gz????? [02:41] <mjg59> fabbione: Most of that's a replacement for the existing acpi update patch [02:42] <fabbione> ok [02:43] <fabbione> mjg59: want to take a look at bugzilla and start marking bugs as pending upload? [02:43] <mjg59> fabbione: Sure, will do [02:45] <fabbione> jbailey: ping? [02:45] <jbailey> fabbione: pong [02:45] <fabbione> jbailey: did you like the klibc upload? [02:46] <jbailey> I saw that it had been done, but it's just coming down now. =) [02:46] <fabbione> nothing too fancy.. [02:46] <fabbione> change the B-D for new kernel headers [02:46] <fabbione> added a specific sparc64 patch to fix FTBFS [02:47] <fabbione> that doesn't touch any of the other code [02:47] <fabbione> so pretty safe [02:54] <mjg59> fabbione: The patch in 11813 ought to be applied [02:56] <fabbione> OH DAMN SHIT [02:57] <fabbione> there is no connectivity with uk toady [02:57] <fabbione> like yesterday [02:57] <fabbione> ok.. it's taking ages... [02:57] <fabbione> mjg59: i need to take my wife to the doc and i will be back in about 2 hours or so [02:57] <fabbione> probably more... [02:57] <fabbione> just create a list and mail it.. [02:58] <fabbione> or whatever you prefer.. [02:58] <fabbione> just don't leave the list here on IRC :) [02:59] <mjg59> fabbione: No problem [02:59] <fabbione> thanks [03:21] <jbailey> fabbione: Looks good, thanks. [03:42] <fabbione> i think nobody noticed before, because klibc was probably built on sparc32 or so [03:42] <fabbione> that's what come up to mind now.. [03:42] <fabbione> but we don't care to build in 32 bit [03:43] <fabbione> given that: A) we don't support 32bit b) it's all used once at boot and trashed away [03:43] <fabbione> anyway.. time to go [03:43] <fabbione> bbl [06:01] <fabbione> re [06:02] <fabbione> BenC: ping? [06:05] <fabbione> mjg59: i got the patches.. [06:05] <mjg59> fabbione: Rock [06:08] <fabbione> mjg59: are all the patches done to be applied at the end of 00list? [06:08] <fabbione> with the order you gave.. or somewhere else? [06:08] <mjg59> fabbione: Which ones? The first batch or the second batch? [06:09] <fabbione> both... [06:09] <mjg59> The second batch should all go after the first batch, but the order doesn't matter [06:09] <mjg59> The first batch should have the big patch first, followed by acpi-revert-pci-interrupt-resume [06:10] <fabbione> ok [06:10] <fabbione> than all the others in no special order... [06:10] <mjg59> Yeah [06:10] <fabbione> ok [06:11] <mjg59> The others all depend on the first two, but other than that are order independent [06:11] <fabbione> ok [06:13] <fabbione> on which arches did you test them? [06:13] <fabbione> do they build on ia64? [06:13] <mjg59> Tested on x86 [06:13] <fabbione> what about amd64? [06:13] <mjg59> I don't have access to any ia64 [06:14] <mjg59> I'll check amd64 now [06:14] <fabbione> ok.. do you don't know if they build on amd64/ia64... [06:14] <fabbione> try to be around tomorrow than [06:14] <fabbione> if you can [06:14] <fabbione> i will start merging now [06:14] <fabbione> but i will build tomorrow probably... [06:15] <mjg59> Sure, no problem [06:15] <mjg59> fabbione: Oh, one thing I forgot to mention - the acpi-i2c one adds a new config option [06:15] <fabbione> i saw that [06:16] <mjg59> Ok [06:16] <fabbione> i guess M is fine... [06:16] <mjg59> Yup [06:16] <fabbione> perfect [06:17] <fabbione> hmmm agp-pm... [06:17] <fabbione> didn't we include that one already? [06:17] <mjg59> I don't think so [06:18] <fabbione> * Add PCI-E suspend/resume support: [06:18] <fabbione> - Add patch drivers-pci-pcie_resume-pcie.dpatch. [06:18] <fabbione> no [06:18] <fabbione> it was the PCI-E [06:18] <mjg59> Yeah [06:21] <fabbione> mjg59: where all these patches are coming from? [06:21] <fabbione> just to annotate them properly... [06:22] <mjg59> fabbione: The acpi ones are all from acpi upstream, except for the ones that we were already carrying [06:22] <mjg59> toshiba-acpi-dev is from John Belmonte's website [06:22] <mjg59> agp-pm is from the suspend2 tarball (which contains no indication of who wrote it) [06:23] <mjg59> acpi-i2c is from Bruno Ducrot's website [06:23] <mjg59> The reboot patch is me [06:24] <fabbione> ok [06:56] <fabbione> mjg59: only 4 left to apply :) [06:57] <mjg59> fabbione: Woo! [06:57] <mjg59> fabbione: I've got another couple for you... [06:57] <mjg59> (But then that's it for the day) [06:58] <jbailey> mjg59: At some point when you have t ime, can I get you to look over the DSDT patch that I've got to see why the classic initrd case fails? [06:58] <mjg59> jbailey: I can have a go, yeah [06:58] <fabbione> mjg59: send me... [06:58] <jbailey> mjg59: Either that or do you think I can get rid of that case an only handle having a DSDT.aml file in the initramfs? [06:58] <jbailey> the initramfs case works. [06:58] <mjg59> Breezy is going with initramfs? [06:58] <fabbione> mjg59: we already switched [06:58] <jbailey> mjg59: Yes, it's default already. =) [06:59] <mjg59> Yeah. I'd drop the initrd support, then. [06:59] <jbailey> mjg59: Nice, saves much trouble. =) [06:59] <jbailey> That's the part of the patch I'm having trouble with. [07:02] <fabbione> applying patch external-drivers-acpi-hardware-hwsleep_gpe-specs to ./ ... failed. [07:03] <mjg59> Oops [07:03] <mjg59> That's odd [07:04] <mjg59> Oh, shit [07:04] <mjg59> Sorry, I accidently diffed it from the wrong directory level [07:04] <mjg59> Looked like drivers-acpi-sleep-main_make-system-ready-to-resume.dpatch has the same problem [07:10] <mjg59> fabbione: Ok, that's it for now [07:11] <fabbione> mjg59: ok.. everything applies perfectly [07:12] <fabbione> mjg59: got the last mail [07:12] <mjg59> Rock [07:15] <fabbione> mjg59, BenC: i am going to commit the all ACPI stuff untested [07:15] <fabbione> i only know it applies clean [07:15] <mjg59> Ok [07:15] <fabbione> it will need a proper changelog entry [07:15] <fabbione> test build [07:15] <fabbione> and overall configs update [07:16] <fabbione> on all arches.. [07:16] <mjg59> The ACPI stuff is all from upstream, and I haven't /seen/ any complaints on other architectures [07:16] <fabbione> mjg59: well.. i would like to see it at least builded everywhere [07:16] <mjg59> Sure [07:17] <fabbione> BenC: you might have to ask elmo to upgrade some of the chroots.. iirc i did bump a B-D recently [07:25] <BenC> so you have to build it on all architectures first, then update the debian/abi/* and then do the source upload? [07:25] <BenC> oops [07:35] <fabbione> * committed kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--preX,11--2.6.12--patch-18 [07:35] <fabbione> ok this is the commit with all the ACPI crack [07:37] <fabbione> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11813 [07:37] <fabbione> we forgot the patch in here [07:37] <mjg59> Oops [07:37] <mjg59> Sorry, meant to send that to you [07:37] <fabbione> mjg59: is that patch still needed? [07:38] <mjg59> Yeah [07:38] <fabbione> oh my mother just bored me enough on the phone to push me to look at bugzilla for fun [07:38] <mjg59> Haha [07:38] <fabbione> i need to go and start to cook dinner [07:38] <fabbione> BenC: do you want to take care of it? [07:38] <fabbione> just add it at the end of the list [07:39] <fabbione> we also need that PATA patch.. and i think we are done for 7.11 [07:39] <fabbione> there is enough crack for the rest of week [07:40] <fabbione> EHHHH??!?!?!?!??? [07:40] <fabbione> ld -o tests/nfs_no_rpc crt0.o tests/nfs_no_rpc.o libc.a /usr/lib/gcc/sparc-linux-gnu/4.0.2/libgcc.a [07:40] <fabbione> /usr/lib/gcc/sparc-linux-gnu/4.0.2/libgcc.a(_muldi3.o): In function `__muldi3': [07:40] <fabbione> : undefined reference to `.umul' [07:40] <fabbione> I DID FUCKING TEST BUILDED IT BEFORE UPLOAD ON EXACTLY THE SAME CHROOT [07:41] <fabbione> ah no.. [07:41] <fabbione> different binutils.. [07:41] <fabbione> Grrrrr [07:42] <BenC> sure [07:43] <fabbione> BenC: cool [07:44] <fabbione> BenC: if you feel lucky today, there is libaio that is not ported to sparc ;) [07:44] <fabbione> it's missing an include file with some asm to generate direct syscalls to the kernel bypassing libc [07:44] <fabbione> ;) [07:46] <jbailey> fabbione: Why? [07:47] <fabbione> async i/O [07:47] <fabbione> it's faster for certain apps like DB [07:47] <fabbione> (that's the answer i got from upstream at least) [07:48] <fabbione> anyway... i need to go now [07:48] <fabbione> i might pass by later [07:51] <BenC> later [07:51] <BenC> I'll check into libaio after I do a kernel build [07:51] <BenC> or better, while the kernel is building [07:51] <fabbione> BenC: that one is off line and just for fun :) [07:51] <fabbione> it's not important for sparc anyway [07:52] <BenC> ok [09:22] <michele> hello [09:22] <michele> I'd like to know if this patch (or something to that effect) is going to make into breezy: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=111504542402455&w=2 [09:23] <fabbione> no [09:23] <fabbione> that patch is broken [09:23] <fabbione> and breaks SCSI [09:23] <fabbione> + other stuff [09:23] <michele> oh nice... [09:24] <michele> does something else exists to have power mgmt in SATA systems? [09:24] <fabbione> not yet [09:24] <michele> so I guess that patch isn't even recommended to apply by myself right? [09:25] <fabbione> 9/10K [09:25] <michele> uh? [09:25] <fabbione> nope [09:26] <fabbione> don't apply it [09:26] <michele> ok... sigh [09:38] <mjg59> fabbione: I still don't see any way it can break SCSI [09:38] <mjg59> The only way it touches the SCSI layer is to add hooks for suspend/resume [09:38] <mjg59> On the other hand, it doesn't /work/ for SCSI [09:39] <fabbione> mjg59: ask greg or jeff.. i really don't know and i don't want to experiment it at 2 weeks from preview [09:39] <mjg59> fabbione: I spoke to alan about it last week [09:40] <fabbione> alan C? [09:40] <mjg59> greg and jeff haven't replied to my mails about it [09:40] <mjg59> Yeah [09:40] <fabbione> what did he say? [09:40] <mjg59> He said he couldn't see any problems with it [09:42] <mjg59> The only code that touches the SCSI subsystem is scsi_bus_suspend and resume [09:42] <mjg59> As far as I can tell, the objection is that it doesn't successfully suspend/resume SCSI (but then, that doesn't work /anyway/) [09:43] <mjg59> The rest of it's all safely contained in the sata layer [09:43] <fabbione> i think the issue was not SCSI as drivers, but as transport layer [09:44] <mjg59> It doesn't touch that part of the kernel [09:44] <mjg59> It's all libata stuff except for scsi_bus_suspend and scsi_bus_resume [09:44] <fabbione> i know.. but that's what they were talking about [09:44] <michele> fabbione, I can offer to test it in my thinkpad in case you decide to build a package. I have a spare 5GB. [09:44] <mjg59> There's absolutely no way that that code can touch it [09:45] <fabbione> michele: one test is not enough over 2309208 millions different combination of hw [09:45] <michele> fabbione, I know... just in case you needed it. Not trying to push you. [09:46] <mjg59> The only thing it will do on a SCSI setup is check whether the driver has a suspend method, and if so call it [09:46] <fabbione> let me ask again... [09:46] <fabbione> lamont: build or try to from baz.. [09:46] <mjg59> fabbione: I'm prepared to believe that it's a patch that won't always work, but I can't see any way that it can make things worse than they currently are [09:47] <mjg59> lamont: Newer acpi crack is in, I have no ia64 [09:47] <fabbione> i committed all the acpi crack 2/3 hours ago [09:48] <lamont> mjg59: coolness [09:48] <mjg59> lamont: If you want to send me an ia64 laptop... [09:49] <lamont> mjg59: I don't think they exist, but a zx2000 might be able to land on your doorstep [09:50] <lamont> it's kinda like a laptop :-) [09:50] <lamont> in that it'll fill your lap. [09:50] <mjg59> lamont: Hmm. Unconvinced. [09:50] <mjg59> Oh, it's on of /those/ [09:51] <mjg59> Did Microsoft ever ship Windows for Itanium? [09:52] <fabbione> lamont: i am still waiting for my ia64 and hppa :) [09:52] <lamont> mjg59: HP certainly shipped it. I expect that MS is at least supporting it in some manner.... [09:53] <fabbione> mjg59: Jeff says 2 things about that patch that he wrote [09:53] <fabbione> a) it's experimental and not ready for upstream [09:53] <fabbione> b) it needs a lot of SCSI love to work properly [09:53] <mjg59> fabbione: Right. But it /does/ work on some systems. [09:54] <fabbione> yes.. but it might as well breaks other [09:54] <fabbione> or make them worst than they are [09:54] <mjg59> fabbione: Uh. At the moment, suspend/resume is broken on *all* SATA machines. [09:54] <mjg59> There's no way to make them worse. [09:54] <fabbione> dude.. that's what he said right now [09:55] <mjg59> I entirely understand why it's not ready for upstream. He wants it to work properly. [09:55] <mjg59> But failing to work in some cases is still better than failing to work in all cases. [09:56] <lamont> mjg59: there's an HP org that supports ia64/windoze [09:56] <mjg59> lamont: Wow [09:56] <lamont> not sure how much of that is just front-ending M$, though [09:57] <fabbione> actually.... [09:57] <fabbione> mjg59: the patch can be splitted in 2 i think [09:57] <fabbione> mjg59: scsi and sata [09:57] <mjg59> fabbione: Mm? [09:57] <fabbione> they look sort of indipendet one from each other.. [09:57] <mjg59> fabbione: No - the SCSI part is needed to call the SATA suspend/resume methods [09:58] <fabbione> it doesn't look like... [09:58] <mjg59> Check the scsi_bus_suspend routine. It stops the SCSI queue, checks whether the driver has a suspend method and then calls it [09:58] <mjg59> + if (sht->suspend) [09:58] <mjg59> + err = sht->suspend(sdev); [09:59] <fabbione> ah ok.. [09:59] <mjg59> On SATA devices, that'll call ata_scsi_device_suspend [09:59] <mjg59> On SCSI devices, it's a noop [09:59] <mjg59> Until someone writes the support for them [10:00] <mjg59> So the only thing it does on SCSI systems is to call scsi_device_quiesce(sdev) and scsi_device_resume(sdev); [10:00] <mjg59> Which is safe [10:01] <fabbione> BenC: what do you think? [10:23] <fabbione> i am going to sleep on it.. [10:24] <fabbione> BenC: if you think the patch is reasonable.. go ahead and commit it.. [10:25] <fabbione> leave a note in an email on what you will manage to finish, so i don't need to spend time tomorrow digging around... [10:25] <fabbione> good night ladies [10:25] <mjg59> Night [10:28] <fs> mjg59: are the acpi patches for the ubuntu kernel somewhere public? [10:28] <mjg59> fs: They're in the baz archive [10:29] <fs> is it more than acpi-20050729-2.6.12.patch.bz2? [10:29] <fs> or git-latest acpi stuff in -mm? [10:30] <mjg59> It's acpi-20050729 plus most of the to-linus from git [10:30] <mjg59> So it ought to be pretty close to 2.6.13 mainline [10:30] <fs> I see [10:32] <fs> the acpi patch made battery and thermal working on my turion64 box, a 2.6.13-rc git snapshot from a couple of days ago did not [10:32] <mjg59> You might want to try the ec_burst_mode parameter [10:33] <mjg59> Or something like that [10:34] <fs> where? [10:36] <mjg59> On the kernel command line [10:36] <mjg59> Hang on a sec [10:37] <mjg59> Depending on your kernel version, there'll either be an ec_polling parameter or an ec_burst= parameter [10:38] <mjg59> ec_polling will force a kernel that uses burst mode to use polling mode. ec_burst=1 will force a kernel that uses polling mode to use burst mode [10:39] <fs> I have 2.6.12.5+acpi now, and that looks like it has ec_polling [11:22] <BenC> anyone been able to verify if the acpi patch fixes any of the reported bugs? [11:27] <mjg59> BenC: It ought to fix the various delayed ACPI event bugs, the ones where resuming causes "scheduling while atomic" errors and the fact that the screen doesn't lock when the lid is closed [11:28] <mjg59> But I wasn't bitten by any of those, so it's a bit hard to tell for certain... [11:29] <BenC> build fails on ppc [11:30] <BenC> kernel/power/main.c: In function `suspend_finish': [11:30] <BenC> kernel/power/main.c:126: error: structure has no member named `leave' [11:30] <BenC> kernel/power/main.c:127: error: structure has no member named `leave' [11:31] <BenC> debian/patches/drivers-acpi-sleep-main_make-system-ready-to-resume.dpatch is the culprit that adds those lines [11:32] <mjg59> BenC: Argh. A patch hunk has gone missing, somehow. [11:33] <BenC> yeah, it's in the patch [11:33] <BenC> but include/linux/pm.h doesn't seem to contain the patch for the leave member [11:34] <BenC> wtf [11:35] <mjg59> BenC: Ok, got a fixed one for you [11:36] <mjg59> I'll mail it now [11:37] <mjg59> BenC: Ok, mailed [11:37] <BenC> duhthe patch isn't getting applied [11:38] <mjg59> BenC: Uhm. If the patch isn't getting applied, how does it cause the build to fail? [11:38] <BenC> let me check something [11:39] <mjg59> But yeah, there was certainly a hunk missing from that patch [11:39] <BenC> ok [11:39] <BenC> the patch I was looking at wasn't getting applied [11:39] <BenC> must be an old one [11:40] <BenC> the patch that is getting applied didn't have the pm.h hunk [11:42] <BenC> thanks, got the updated one [11:44] <BenC> starting the build over [11:44] <mjg59> BenC: Cool. Sorry about that. [11:45] <BenC> no problem [12:05] <BenC> mjg59: drivers-acpi-sleep-main_make-system-ready-to-resume.dpatch was not listed in 00list-7.11, is there any order that it should be in regards to the other acpi patches? [12:06] <mjg59> BenC: After the global patch. Other than that, I don't think it matters. [12:08] <BenC> hmm [12:08] <BenC> I don't think fab added all the patches in 00list-7.11 [12:10] <BenC> I'll get it squared away

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.387203

2005-08-22-#ubuntu-artwork

[11:29] <volvoguy> *poke* anybody awake? [11:29] <ogra_> *yawn* [11:29] <volvoguy> :) [11:29] <ogra_> just waking up [11:30] <volvoguy> any idea how i can "ungzip" a folder of svgz files into plain svg files? [11:31] <volvoguy> i'm trying to get an overview of some of the more complete themes and nautilus can't seem to do thumbnails of svgz files. :-\ [11:31] <ogra_> hmm, never had such a format, i guess inkscape can open them right away without unzipping [11:32] <volvoguy> yeah. inkscape can open them directly.... but there's lots of 'em. perhaps inkscape can "open > save as" recursively on the command line? [11:33] <volvoguy> i'll go pick their brains on #ubuntu also. :) [11:33] <ogra_> try it... [11:33] <ogra_> heh [11:34] <ogra_> try #ubuntu-devel, someone might have a script from the top of his head [11:36] <volvoguy> okey dokey. thanks ogra_ [12:19] <volvoguy> back to icons and hopefully sleep soon. thanks for the direction ogra_ :)

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.394190

2005-08-22-#ubuntu-doc

[05:29] <mpt> Flonne: Thanks for your work ... It might be acceptable to alter the packaged XSL such that all documents yelp shows get the same changes made to them. Not sure about that, though. [05:56] <mpt> Certainly left-aligning instead of justifying would make things more readable, regardless of the document [07:44] <jsgotangco> hey all (whoever is awake) [07:45] <jsgotangco> ahhh [07:46] <jsgotangco> hmm who is Quim Gil? Name sounds familiar [07:47] <Madpilot> hi jsgotangco [07:49] <robitaille> jsgotangco: a quick google search turns out references to Guadalinex [07:49] <robitaille> so i'm guessing he is involve with that ubuntu derivative [07:50] <Madpilot> I've been spending a bit of time playing with this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands -- I think it's pretty much finished... [07:55] <jsgotangco> i see [08:08] <jsgotangco> brb [10:19] <jsgotangco> grr i forgot i have 2 instances of xchat running [10:45] <mdke> nice work on BasicCommands Madpilot [10:46] <mdke> looks great [11:00] <jsgotangco> hey mdke [11:02] <mdke> yo [11:07] <jsgotangco> whats up? [11:14] <mdke> not much, still looking for a fat [11:14] <mdke> flat [11:17] <jsgotangco> is it that hard in your area? [11:19] <mdke> not really, there are lots, but its really expensive in London [11:19] <mdke> should have it sorted by tomorrow [11:19] <jsgotangco> im sure of that [11:19] <jsgotangco> i got my M2 today [11:19] <mdke> cool [11:19] <jsgotangco> i wasn't charged customs duty but its strange they charged me VAT [11:20] <mdke> gah [11:20] <mdke> let canonical know and i'm sure they will pick it up [11:20] <jsgotangco> yes i had claire on it at the start [11:20] <mdke> ah good [11:20] <mdke> ok i have to shoot out [11:20] <mdke> see ya later [11:20] <jsgotangco> see ya [04:18] <mpt> We were supposed to be having a meeting now? [04:18] <mpt> August 17, 2005 at 14UTC [04:26] <Burgundavia> we already finish meeting? [04:27] <jjesse> dang did we have a meeting today? [04:28] <mpt> If it was a meeting, it was a very, very, very quiet one [04:28] <Burgundavia> hmm, the Calendar says so [04:29] <mgalvin> where does it say we had a meeting today? [04:29] <mgalvin> in launchpad? [04:29] <mpt> Jerome's message to the list [04:29] <mgalvin> hm, must have missed that, i didn't get it... will check archive [04:30] <Burgundavia> grumble, it is 7am here [04:30] <Burgundavia> and I had to bike to my brothers place to get internet because my landlord forgot to pay [04:30] <mpt> August 11th [04:31] <Burgundavia> we agreed to have a special meeting about the front page of yelp today [04:31] <mgalvin> we did that quick meeting on Aug 11, b/c a bunch of people were around all at the same time [04:32] <mgalvin> oh right, ok i see it [04:32] <mgalvin> it was never added to the meeting agenda page [04:32] <mgalvin> how else is around? [04:33] <mgalvin> ping all [04:33] <mgalvin> s/how/who/ [04:34] <mgalvin> i am sure we can start discussing it more (since you guys went to the trouble of being here on time) and just mail the list about it [04:35] <mdke> everyone forgot the meeting I guess [04:36] <mgalvin> seems that way... well me, mpt Bergundavia, mdke, and jjesse are here surely we can being discussing it and move it to the list later [04:37] <jjesse> go for it :) [04:37] <mdke> ok [04:37] <mdke> move to #ubuntu-meeting? [04:37] <mgalvin> yup [05:04] <Burgundavia> 513 emails [05:04] <mdke> short and sweet [05:05] <mdke> i'll see you later [06:04] <mpt> oh, you held the meeting anyway? [06:04] <mpt> I should have been paying more attention :-) [06:13] <mpt> sorry [06:17] <Burgundavia> no problem [06:18] <Burgundavia> we pretty much decided to ship the faqguide as default [06:19] <Burgundavia> mpt, how is Ubuntu help going? [06:21] <mpt> pretty well [06:21] <mpt> It should be in a shippable state well before doc string freeze, I think [06:21] <Burgundavia> I currently don't have internet at hom (I am at my brother place), so I have not been able to look at it yet [06:23] <jjesse> Burgundavia: grin i only have dial up at home :( [06:23] <mpt> The major holes in it are things for which I need to install Breezy, which I'll do over the next couple of days [06:23] <mpt> :( doesn't look like a grin :-) [06:24] <Burgundavia> jjesse, my landlord forgot to pay. I usually have really nice high-speed. One of the advantages of living in one of the most wired countries in the world [06:24] <mpt> and things for which there seem to be no docs at all, e.g. "how to copy files from your Ubuntu machine to a Windows machine" [06:24] <jjesse> high speed is currently not in the budget [06:25] <Burgundavia> jjesse, where do you live? [06:25] <mpt> oh yeah, and "how to connect with a dialup modem" :-) [06:25] <jjesse> michigan [06:25] <Burgundavia> ah [06:25] <jjesse> its either comcrap cable, sbc, or tds metrowait [06:26] <jjesse> they all suck and the phone lines in the house i bough suck more [08:57] <rob^> hey [08:57] <rob^> dam I must have missed the meeting [08:57] <mpt> Everybody did :-) [08:58] <rob^> was it moved? [08:58] <rob^> my daughter is sick and is in hospital, so its been a hectic few days for me [08:58] <mpt> I was here at 1400, went back to work at 1430 after nothing had happened, and it started after that [08:59] <mpt> How is she? [08:59] <rob^> pretty sick, she is on antibiotics via a drip [09:00] <rob^> they thing meningitis [09:00] <rob^> think ^ [09:00] <mpt> that's not good [09:00] <rob^> I haven't slepted in two days.. [09:00] <mpt> Meningitis is epidemic in NZ at the moment [09:01] <rob^> yeah, we had a lot of people at work from over seas including NZ lately [10:11] <fl> hi there [10:11] <rob^> hey [10:11] <fl> nice, it's so, so, how should I say this, silent :-) [10:12] <rob^> hmm the sun is comming up.. [10:12] <fl> well, my Sun is shutting down right now. At least the small one. [10:13] <fl> just wanted to take a quick peep at who hanging out here... have a nice day! [10:13] <rob^> my Suns run 24/7 [10:13] <fl> I'll try to have something about the powerbook install later the week [10:14] <fl> hmm, the small SPARCstation Voyager can shutdown for the night. The other ones keep running... [10:14] <fl> hehe [10:14] <rob^> we have a couple of Sun Ultra Enterprise 3000s [10:15] <fl> they are cool, but pretty loud under a desk [10:15] <rob^> sharing a SPARC array [10:15] <rob^> yeah, they are in a seperate room [10:15] <fl> I'm still hanging on to the Voyager, and some old 10s and a 20 [10:15] <fl> just so nice for the desktop [10:16] <fl> tough sometimes they seem to be creeping along when compiling stuff. sigh. [10:16] <rob^> never been one to use Sun for a desktop machine [10:16] <rob^> I know a guy who is a Sun nut who does [10:17] <rob^> too expensive [10:17] <fl> oh well, question of availability. Mine had a 20'' monitor at times when the PC standard in the office was 14''. Go figure... [10:17] <rob^> yeah [10:17] <rob^> lucky you [10:18] <rob^> I'm looking at a 20'' crt now, they are big suckers [10:18] <fl> hehe. _And_ the Win admin didn't dare touch it lest he broke things :-) [10:18] <rob^> heh the one where I work does [10:19] <rob^> I had to teach him how to use vi the other day [10:19] <fl> touch things or break things? [10:19] <rob^> he broke my carefully crafted system checking scripts [10:19] <rob^> so more of the latter [10:20] <fl> hmm. sounds like "fingers off or fingers off" [10:20] <rob^> heh yeah [10:20] <rob^> at least hes keen to learn [10:21] <rob^> rather funny watching him try to use vi I must say [10:21] <fl> that's something. Lots of people just lack curiosity... [10:21] <fl> tell him about the vi mug :-) [10:21] <rob^> :) yeah [10:21] <fl> that's something nice to get someone started [10:21] <rob^> maybe we might all chip in for one for a christmas present [10:22] <fl> ok, so I'll leave you now. Moon's up, wife's been calling [10:22] <rob^> yeah, I better get some sleep [10:22] <fl> see you, rob^ [10:22] <rob^> cya

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.399129

2005-08-22-#ubuntu

[12:00] <Goodspeed> how do i enable an ftp server with a server setup? [12:00] <popey> bigbootay: I use totem, works okay [12:00] <Goodspeed> or is it already enabled? [12:00] <salil> bigbootay: do you know how to set it up..? [12:00] <ilba7r> dannyu502_ which ndiswrapper you are trying to install [12:00] <ethan_> None of my applications will work if I log out and back in.. its so weird! help! [12:00] <popey> Goodspeed: usually not, no [12:00] <dannyu502_> ilba7r, and any new driver i try to install installs, and thne when i put in ndiswrapper -l it says the are all invalid drivers [12:00] <popey> Goodspeed: apt-get install <name of ftpd package> [12:00] <Goodspeed> ftpd? [12:00] <bigbootay> I think that there's a how-to for it with ubuntu. [12:00] <Klementas> how can I get Epiphany or Firefox to save passwords I type into web sites?? [12:01] <bigbootay> I did it someone but I can't recall. [12:01] <popey> Goodspeed: do apt-cache search ftpd [12:01] <Goodspeed> ok [12:01] <popey> Goodspeed: see what ones turn up [12:01] <blubb> exit [12:01] <popey> Goodspeed: pick one, install it [12:01] <bigbootay> ...it for someone... [12:01] <dannyu502_> ilba7r, None, I already have one installed im trying to install my wireless internet and so i installed drivers for my wireless G network adaptor and it says invalid drivers [12:01] <bigbootay> I think that we ended up using xine. [12:01] <Goodspeed> can i enable that so i get access to the entire linux drive from my computer? [12:01] <dannyu502_> and it gives me that message when i do sudo modpackage ndiswrapper [12:01] <popey> Goodspeed: yes [12:01] <SBanner> thanx, tah tah [12:01] <Goodspeed> my windows computer* [12:01] <Goodspeed> ok [12:01] <ilba7r> dannyu502_ try a driver that is known to work mine did not work with my official window driver [12:01] <popey> Goodspeed: you could for example use IE to do that [12:01] <Goodspeed> i was thinking more like smartftp but same difference [12:01] <popey> Goodspeed: (not the best tool for the job but you will have it on your windows computer) [12:02] <popey> Goodspeed: yes [12:02] <popey> Goodspeed: that's better :D [12:02] <funkyHat> Goodspeed, you could install winSCP on your windows machine, and run sshd on your server [12:02] <popey> even better! [12:02] <ethan_> should i install e16? instead of metacity?... [12:02] <bigbootay> salil, my parting gift to you: http://ubuntuguide.org/#xine-ui [12:02] <Goodspeed> funkyhat that wnet right over my head [12:02] <Snopy> Is it posible to install ubuntu from an iso file when im running fedora from the same harddrive the ubuntu image is saved on? [12:02] <dannyu502_> ilba7r, which ones are known to work? [12:02] <popey> Goodspeed: apt-get install ssh [12:02] <ce33na> scp would be much more secure than ftp [12:02] <salil> bigbootay: thanks [12:02] <PurpleMotion> !ubuntuguide [12:02] <ubotu> methinks ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned [12:02] <popey> Goodspeed: then install winscp [12:02] <popey> Goodspeed: it's like ftp, but better, safer [12:02] <Goodspeed> what is winscp? [12:02] <dannyu502_> ilba7r, and don't you need the driver specific for your type of network adaptor [12:02] <PurpleMotion> bigbootay: dont recommend the ubuntu guide, please [12:03] <Goodspeed> cp=control panel? [12:03] <bigbootay> really? [12:03] <popey> Goodspeed: a windows scp (secure copy) program [12:03] <Goodspeed> ahhh k [12:03] <Goodspeed> do i have to mess around with stuff? [12:03] <Rydekull> anyone here have splashy in? [12:03] <popey> Goodspeed: nope [12:03] <PurpleMotion> yah :) it's great, but it doesnt explain anything [12:03] <Goodspeed> like endless config files? [12:03] <bigbootay> ubotu, thanks for the alternative. [12:03] <ce33na> SecureCoPy [12:03] <ubotu> pas de quoi, bigbootay [12:03] <popey> Goodspeed: it will "Just Work" [12:03] <funkyHat> Goodspeed, winSCP is a program (it's kind of like an FTP client) that connects to SSH or SFTP servers [12:03] <Ex-Cyber> I'm getting intermittent connection stalls with Hoary behind Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing on a dialup link... should I bother trying to diagnose this, or is it pretty much "normal" for such a setup? [12:03] <funkyHat> and yes, it just works :) [12:03] <ilba7r> dannyu502_ wait i am trying to get you the site [12:03] <Goodspeed> how would i access that then on my windows machine? [12:03] <ilba7r> it seem that it is down now [12:03] <funkyHat> Goodspeed, with winSCP [12:03] <popey> Goodspeed: you'd run winscp and tell it the hostname/user/pass of your linux box [12:03] <funkyHat> that's the part you install on windows [12:04] <titaniululz> funkyHat, what about using network file sharing? i have shares enabled on my windows computer and immediately upon installing ubuntu i noticed it could see those shares [12:04] <Goodspeed> ahh k [12:04] <Goodspeed> so apt-get install winscp [12:04] <funkyHat> the thing you need to install on the server is ssh [12:04] <funkyHat> Goodspeed, no [12:04] <popey> titaniululz: depends if the server is going to be local or not [12:04] <davro> trying to a collaborative editor apt-get install gobby is not found? [12:04] <Goodspeed> lol [12:04] <Goodspeed> ok [12:04] <Goodspeed> apt-get install ssh [12:04] <funkyHat> winscp is a windows program [12:04] <funkyHat> yes [12:04] <ilba7r> dannyu502_ here is the list of drivers and where to download them http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page [12:04] <titaniululz> popey, it's behind a router but i plan on using it for apache [12:04] <ubuntu> asd [12:04] <popey> davro: no, doesn't look like there's a package for it [12:04] <Exo0dus> #ubuntu-es [12:04] <ubuntu> ih [12:04] <PurpleMotion> yah ssh provides the linux equivalent (scp) [12:04] <ubuntu> hi [12:04] <Goodspeed> and will that work with ubuntu or do i need to create a root account? [12:04] <Snopy> Is it possible to install Ubuntu when Im running fedoroa without the CD? Ive downloaded the iso file. [12:05] <dannyu502_> ilba7r, ok thanks, i hafta eat idnner i will bbson [12:05] <popey> Goodspeed: no, it will work [12:05] <XTERM> Hey Just installed Ububtu....It ROCKS !.......Hi everone ! [12:05] <davro> There website is a bit misleading http://gobby.0x539.de/download.html [12:05] <ilba7r> dannyu502_ ur welcomed and bon aptite [12:05] <savve> liable: you know what drovers goes for xircom RBEM56G-100? [12:05] <funkyHat> PurpleMotion, he needs to install the ssh server on his linux box in order to be able to connect using winscp [12:05] <savve> drivers* [12:05] <funkyHat> Goodspeed, you may need to set a root password [12:05] <Goodspeed> i have one set [12:05] <Goodspeed> isnt that the first pw [12:05] <bigbootay> ubotu, thanks for the alternative. I'll start using the wiki. [12:05] <ubotu> bigbootay: no worries [12:05] <Goodspeed> you enter with the install? [12:06] <popey> davro: http://darcs.0x539.de/trac/obby/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/wiki/InstallationGuide read that [12:06] <funkyHat> no, that isn't actually the root password [12:06] <popey> davro: it tells you to modify your sources.list, then apt-get will find it [12:06] <Goodspeed> dammn [12:06] <funkyHat> Goodspeed, to set a real root password, you run sudo passwd [12:06] <Goodspeed> can it be the same passwd? [12:06] <funkyHat> yep [12:06] <popey> Goodspeed: there's stuff about root and passwords on http://ubuntuguide.org/ which is really good [12:06] <ethan_> -sigh...- [12:06] <Seveas> popey, ehm ubuntuguide and good don't go in one sentence... [12:07] <Snopy> How to install Ubuntu when Im running fedora on the same harddrive the iso file is on? [12:07] <ethan_> I cannot believe how slow this is... [12:07] <Goodspeed> yea i saw that [12:07] <popey> what do you say that? [12:07] <funkyHat> !ubuntuguide [12:07] <ubotu> somebody said ubuntuguide was a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned [12:07] <titaniululz> popey i'm reading the man page for wu-ftpd and it seems like any accounts on the ftp need a shell on the system... huh? [12:07] <ethan_> I read people opening firefox in about 5 seconds or less on a 300 mhz powerbook... and it takes me soo long! [12:07] <popey> oh, ok [12:07] <popey> I'll refrain from mentioning it :) [12:08] <Rydekull> Is there anyone here running splashy? [12:08] <davro> Read carefully the section which applies to you in our installation guide, Missed that cheers !. [12:08] <Goodspeed> should i upgrade to breezy first? [12:08] <Goodspeed> lol [12:08] <funkyHat> Goodspeed, NO [12:08] <popey> yikes, no [12:08] <funkyHat> :P [12:08] <funkyHat> read the chat topic [12:09] <Ex-Cyber> ethan_: is DMA enabled on your hard drive? (sudo hdparm /dev/hda) [12:09] <titaniululz> i'd really like an ftpd for ubuntu that will just let me list a bunch of users/passwords and their file paths+permissions; i don't want to set up shells and such for each user, that's a bit excessive. any good servers i should try? [12:10] <kemik> titaniululz: pureftpd [12:10] <Rydekull> hmm, I need the rc.* and init.d-files for splashy :/ [12:10] <Goodspeed> ok the hostname = ip address of the server in winscp rigth? [12:10] <funkyHat> yes [12:11] <Goodspeed> nm [12:11] <Goodspeed> ill just follow the guide [12:11] <Goodspeed> :) [12:11] <funkyHat> :) [12:11] <titaniululz> kemik, where is that? apt-get install pureftpd fails [12:11] <kemik> titaniululz: pureftpd.org [12:11] <MrPockets> where does one place the image for a splash screen? [12:12] <Goodspeed> is ti the same username and pw i logged into ubuntu with? [12:12] <funkyHat> Goodspeed, root and then the password you just set for root [12:12] <Goodspeed> oooo [12:12] <Goodspeed> ook [12:13] <funkyHat> (i'm assuming you want root level access to the whole hard drive, as you mentioned access to the whole filesystem) [12:13] <titaniululz> kemik, looks cool, thanks [12:13] <funkyHat> if you just want user level access, then your username and password [12:13] <Goodspeed> now i have write access to every single file correct? [12:13] <funkyHat> yes [12:13] <Goodspeed> woohooo [12:13] <kemik> np [12:13] <Goodspeed> i can finally delete that cursed usr file [12:14] <Goodspeed> jjjjjjust kidding [12:14] <funkyHat> hehehe :D [12:14] <kemik> rm -rf /etc [12:14] <Goodspeed> if i type wget where is that file put? [12:14] <ksmurf> anyone have any idea on pysquilte2? [12:14] <kemik> Goodspeed: current directory [12:14] <Goodspeed> cool [12:14] <ksmurf> anyone have any idea on pysqlite2? [12:15] <ethan_> its going sooo slow!! HELP! [12:15] <ethan_> like if i click the date in the upper right [12:15] <ethan_> it takes about 2 or 3 minutes for the thing to show up! [12:16] <ethan_> or just freezes [12:16] <ethan_> i just installed ubuntu [12:16] <ce33na> how much ram? [12:16] <IcemanV9> low memory system? [12:16] <ethan_> 320 megs [12:16] <ce33na> hmm [12:16] <ethan_> now it just said clock quitted [12:16] <ethan_> and isn't reloading... [12:17] <ce33na> you just installed? [12:17] <ethan_> yea [12:17] <vitor4130> hi there. im using linux on my computer and i d like to access msn . how can i do that? [12:17] <ethan_> vitor4130, with the gaim application [12:17] <IcemanV9> vitor4130: apt-get install gaim [12:17] <dutch> what's a good RSS reader for gnome ? [12:17] <Seveas> blam [12:17] <meuserj|work> dutch, I like liferea [12:17] <ethan_> so now how do i get my clock back? [12:17] <vitor4130> ok im goning to try that! [12:18] <titaniululz> if i'm going to download software and it comes as a .deb file can i use that? [12:18] <dutch> any others ? [12:18] <ce33na> ethan_: if it was me, I would try to install again since I wouldn't loose anything important. Then I would scratch my head [12:18] <Goodspeed> holyt shit this ssh thing is faster than ftp!! [12:18] <ethan_> yea but it took soooo long... [12:18] <ethan_> from like 11 pm to 5 am.. [12:19] <ce33na> did you install from cd? [12:19] <ethan_> yes [12:19] <ethan_> I'm using it right now to talk to you [12:19] <ethan_> if i were to log out righ tnow [12:19] <ethan_> and log back in [12:19] <ethan_> none of the applications would open! [12:19] <Bags> ekimus, I went to that site. It's great! Thanks for the link. It hasn't helped, howver and I'm still nowhere... [12:19] <ethan_> untill i restart [12:19] <ethan_> and it doesn't restart [12:20] <ethan_> i have to do a force shutdown by holding the power button each time [12:20] <kemik> titaniululz: yes, "dpkg -i filename.deb" [12:20] <ethan_> and when I move the mouse, it lags incredibly [12:20] <ethan_> it will just freeze and then skip [12:20] <funkyHat> ethan_, is this a fresh install? [12:20] <ethan_> its really, reallingy annoy [12:20] <ce33na> hmm. still sounds like a ram problem [12:20] <titaniululz> kemik, thanks [12:20] <brer_rabbit> ethan_, thats what was happening to me in fedora [12:20] <ethan_> really annoying* [12:20] <ethan_> funkyHat, yes its a fresh install [12:20] <kemik> ethan_: somethings seriously wrong with your install/computer [12:20] <theeil> i have been trying to install ubuntu, but every time it has crashed part way through. i have tried different ram to see if i have fried ram and have tried two hard drives. this happens with every distro, but with freebsd i could just install the base system and reboot to install packages; using "server" at the boot prompt didn't help [12:20] <brer_rabbit> how is that a ram problem? [12:21] <titaniululz> ethan_, sounds like your computer is busted. i just installed ubuntu on an old optiplex, 450mhz with 128mb of ram and it was a little sluggish so i upped it to 256 and now it's pretty usable [12:21] <ethan_> alright... [12:21] <kemik> brer_rabbit: it's probably something else then [12:21] <ethan_> but i dont know why anything would be wrong with it.. [12:21] <brer_rabbit> ethan_, are you running a ppc processor? [12:21] <ethan_> i mean a fresh install.. and it seemed to go through everything fine [12:21] <ethan_> yes i am running ppc [12:21] <ethan_> 500 mhz [12:22] <brer_rabbit> kemik before I say ram I want some data to back it up [12:22] <ethan_> brer_rabbit, What do you think? lol [12:22] <Goodspeed> crap i just uploaded something in winscp and it gave me persmission denied [12:22] <Goodspeed> when i ./ it [12:22] <kemik> brer_rabbit: what do you mean ? [12:23] <brer_rabbit> ethan_, at this point I am not sure, but if routines arent running then the path to them is messed up [12:23] <Exo0dus> #ubuntu-es [12:23] <kemik> Goodspeed: "./" it ? [12:23] <Goodspeed> ./***.bin [12:23] <brer_rabbit> kemik not enough data to make that conclusion [12:23] <brer_rabbit> and actually apple tends to use premium ram in their boxes [12:23] <kemik> brer_rabbit: well, if you've used different mem.sticks and the problem is the same, it's probably not the ram-memory [12:24] <ethan_> brer_rabbit, I just tried to launch gaim right now and a pop up just came up saying Error as the title and then Cannot lanch entry Details: Failed to execute child process "gaim" (input/output error) [12:24] <brer_rabbit> oh wait... I think we are on two different problems... [12:24] <brer_rabbit> heh [12:24] <ethan_> it did open before brer_rabbit [12:24] <meuserj|work> Goodspeed, chmod 755 blah.bin [12:24] <phreakys> is there any gui ftp server out there? [12:25] <ethan_> brer_rabbit, i just tried to open a preference pane and it did the same thing!! [12:25] <Bags> Just got a CNN alert that there's a rogue worm shutting down Win2K machines all over the USA [12:25] <brer_rabbit> hmmm ethan_ that is beginning to sound like a bad hdd but I think running memtest86 may be a wise idea [12:25] <Rydekull> Anyone in here using splashy? [12:25] <ethan_> anything i open i think it does that [12:25] <ethan_> ok where do i get memtest? [12:25] <ce33na> ethan_: I'm curious. Is your computer thrashing the hard drive? [12:25] <brer_rabbit> you have to run it from the install cdrom [12:25] <titaniululz> kemik, i installed pureftpd-common; what should i read now to learn how to start using it and configuring it? [12:25] <ethan_> ce33na, Yes! [12:25] <kemik> titaniululz: the documentation [12:25] <ethan_> ce33na, It will click really loudly too... = < [12:26] <brer_rabbit> yeah ... [12:26] <ce33na> Like it is running everything from the swap file? [12:26] <ethan_> ce33na, No i looked at my swap and it wasn't swapping yet [12:26] <ethan_> ce33na, But just like the hard drive clicking.. [12:26] <Ex-Cyber> Bags: just 2K? [12:26] <ce33na> anyone remember how to use swapon? [12:26] <roham_> hi I have some questions about Gnome... how can I make shadows behind windows? and whats is metacity? [12:26] <brer_rabbit> man swap? [12:27] <kanbeki> Hello [12:27] <vitor4130> hi again! i ve been trying to sign in but it keeps saying authentication failed and i ve been disconnected.any tips? [12:27] <ethan_> So I was shutting down, and it was taking too long so i decided to just force shut down. I pressed the power button and a bunch of stuff came up saying hda3 is messed up or something over and over 10000 times... lol [12:27] <ce33na> I really don't know how you could look and see if a swap file was working, but the swapon command should activate your swap partition if it is set up properly. [12:27] <ce33na> I said file....I meant partition [12:28] <brer_rabbit> ce33na, Im a rh user and not too familiar with the working of debvian err I mean ubuntu [12:28] <brer_rabbit> heh [12:28] <ethan_> ce33na, I looked at top and it wasn't using any of my swap partition [12:28] <kemik> vitor4130: using the correct protocol? using correct username/password ? [12:28] <jrkettle> How can I change my screen resolution higher then 1024x768 which is the highest that shows up in the preferences? [12:28] <ce33na> is it showing your actual ram in top? [12:28] <roham_> hi I have some questions about Gnome... how can I make shadows behind windows? and whats is metacity? anyone? [12:28] <ethan_> ce33na, yea [12:28] <ce33na> the proper amount [12:28] <ksmurf> I'm tring to install pysqlite for PenguinTV and am have issues. [12:29] <vitor4130> yeah i think im doing everything right!!! [12:29] <decaf> roham_: we dont have a stable solution for that eyecandy bullsh*t yet. metacity is "window manager" part od gnome [12:29] <ksmurf> does anyone know about the install? [12:29] <kafeine> metacity is your window manager [12:29] <kanbeki> How do i unrar multipart rar's using unrar, can you give me an example commandline? [12:29] <ethan_> ce33na, No application will open [12:29] <ethan_> it keeps showing that error [12:29] <ce33na> brer_rabbit: its not too much different [12:29] <kemik> kanbeki: unrar e file.rar [12:29] <kanbeki> thankyou [12:30] <kemik> kanbeki: it will continue by itself [12:30] <brer_rabbit> ce33na, yeah but the commands are [12:30] <ethan_> this is weird... [12:30] <kanbeki> kemik, helpful as always [12:30] <vitor4130> my protocol is aim/icq [12:30] <roham_> decaf: design/layout is importent, its not bullshit... look at mac :D [12:30] <brer_rabbit> and the graphical config tools arent present in deb [12:30] <c0rrupt_> o.0 [12:30] <c0rrupt_> 0.o [12:30] <ethan_> so ce33na I go to places and then computer and nothing comes up [12:30] <ethan_> no matter what i try nothing comes.. ce33na [12:30] <kemik> vitor4130: wasnt it MSN that you wanted to connect to ? [12:31] <Allo> Hey there everyone. [12:31] <martin_> hi [12:31] <Allo> I have a question that you probably hear alot [12:31] <ethan_> ce33na, ? [12:31] <c0rrupt_> sh00t [12:31] <kemik> Allo: let's hear it again [12:31] <redguy> Allo: just ask [12:31] <Allo> How do i get umbuntu to work with my WUSB54G Linksys wireless adapter? [12:32] <decaf> roham_: mac means worlds slowest gui on great hardware for me. [12:32] <c0rrupt_> allo [12:32] <Allo> Right now i have no internet on that computer [12:32] <vitor4130> the messenger that when you have windows you can see if your contacts in hotmail are online. [12:32] <c0rrupt_> use ndiswrapper [12:32] <Allo> yes? [12:32] <ce33na> ethan_: from what you have told us..I still think that it is memory related. its hard to diagnose from a chat room though [12:32] <ethan_> ok [12:32] <brer_rabbit> ethan_, since you arent using all your memory I dont think the swap is the problem but the fact that you are having i/o problems makes me curious about your hard drive [12:32] <ubuntu> where do i download amsn [12:32] <ethan_> ce33na, I go to the computer from places [12:32] <c0rrupt_> allo, you need the wusb54g.inf file [12:32] <Allo> I dont know how to use ndiswrapper [12:32] <c0rrupt_> its easy [12:32] <kemik> vitor4130: use the MSN protocol [12:32] <ce33na> could very well be a HD problem [12:32] <ethan_> ce33na, and it says "computer:///" is not a valid location. Please check the spelling and try again. [12:32] <kemik> !ndiswrapper [12:32] <ubotu> from memory, ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper [12:32] <ethan_> ce33na, it does that for anywhere i try to go.. [12:32] <kemik> follow the link allerbes1 [12:33] <kemik> Allo... [12:33] <Allo> ya? [12:33] <kemik> Allo: the link ^ [12:33] <ubuntu> does anyone hav a link do download amsn???????? [12:33] <ce33na> not linked properly....you may well have a HD problem [12:33] <kemik> ubuntu: use gaim (if you're trying to use msn?) [12:33] <ethan_> ce33na, Alright, also when I installed when it was setting up the partitions, it froze on hda3 at 100% [12:34] <ethan_> ce33na, It froze on that for about 20 minutes then continued onto the next part of the installation [12:34] <vitor4130> well im going to see if i can do that. as you probably guessed i dont know so much about what im doing. im just learning [12:34] <ethan_> is it supposed to do that? [12:34] <ce33na> shouldnt freeze. do you have any other os'es on that machine? [12:35] <Allo> im gonna idle here and go try that on my computer... [12:35] <ethan_> ce33na, I had os x on it before [12:35] <ce33na> on a 733mhz machine, it takes me 20 minutes to install [12:35] <kemik> vitor4130: Add an account, and in the protocol droplist, choose MSN [12:35] <ethan_> ce33na, 20 minutes??????? [12:35] <kemik> ethan_: try OSX again [12:35] <ethan_> i have 500 mhz ce33na , and it took about 4 + hours [12:35] <kemik> ethan_: if problems persist, it's probably HW [12:35] <ce33na> yep...thats about the average [12:35] <ethan_> kemik, I want to use linux [12:35] <kemik> ethan_: if not, it's probably linux [12:36] <kemik> ethan_: not if it's slow like htat [12:36] <ethan_> it was working fine in os x [12:36] <ce33na> do you feel that you could multiboot? [12:36] <ethan_> i cannot open any applictaion righ tnow [12:36] <ethan_> well i only have less than 10 megs [12:36] <ethan_> lol.. [12:36] <ethan_> 10 gigs [12:36] <c0rrupt_> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmk [12:37] <Allo> OK.... It says some gobbledegook about Snyaptic [12:37] <brer_rabbit> ethan... I think its time to look for a new hdd, but wait until you insert the ubuntu install disk n pass the memtest86 command at the boot prompt [12:37] <ksmurf> anyone have any ideas? [12:37] <ethan_> so it should take about 4 hours on a 500 mhz machine? [12:37] <brer_rabbit> no [12:37] <Allo> Im a noob to linux [12:37] <ce33na> not hardly [12:37] <Allo> What is Synaptic [12:37] <ksmurf> a pakage manager [12:37] <ce33na> Allo: it gets new programs for you [12:37] <ksmurf> package [12:37] <brer_rabbit> ethan_, it shouldnt take more then 45 minutes to totally install every thing including the net updates [12:37] <ethan_> can i run memtest right now? or does it have to be from the disk? [12:37] <Allo> do i download it or is it in Ubuntu? [12:38] <kafeine> Allo, it is in ubuntu [12:38] <ce33na> its already there [12:38] <brer_rabbit> you have to run it from the disk [12:38] <ethan_> brer_rabbit, Well it took me about 4+ hours [12:38] <Allo> okay... Oh... [12:38] <kemik> !synaptic [12:38] <ubotu> rumour has it, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto [12:38] <brer_rabbit> yeah youve got hardware problems [12:38] <ethan_> brer_rabbit, The longest part was the unpacking of the packages [12:38] <decaf> Allo: System -> Administration -> Package Manager [12:38] <kemik> Allo: the link ^ [12:38] <kafeine> Allo, you can reach it through System > Administration [12:38] <Allo> I hate bots [12:38] <brer_rabbit> yes... you have hardware problems [12:38] <Allo> okay [12:38] <Allo> ill be back [12:38] <ethan_> brer_rabbit, .. humm.. = ( [12:38] <kemik> what's wrong with bots? [12:38] <brer_rabbit> ethan_ are you sure you have 320megs ram not 32megs ram? [12:39] <ethan_> lol. [12:39] <ethan_> brer_rabbit, I have 320 megs of ram.. [12:39] <ethan_> = p [12:39] <kemik> it sure sounds like a 32mb system ;) [12:39] <ethan_> yea i know.. [12:39] <ethan_> but it would run fine in os x [12:39] <kemik> i mean.. i installed ubuntu on a p2-233, 64mb ram box, and it took just ~1-2 hours [12:39] <brer_rabbit> ok fine (yes it does) but put in the install disk and reboot... as the boot prompt comes up type memtest86 [12:39] <ethan_> i could easily run photoshop and flash and dreamweaver and whatever else i wanted [12:39] <ethan_> and it would be alright [12:40] <brer_rabbit> ethan_, yes I understand [12:40] <ethan_> brer_rabbit, Ok do I have to do anything else? [12:40] <brer_rabbit> osX is a good os [12:40] <kemik> well, buy a x86 system. ;) [12:40] <redguy> huh? how do you make a ?? [12:40] <brer_rabbit> yes hit enter [12:40] <ethan_> brer_rabbit, I'd rather use linux [12:40] <brer_rabbit> ok ethan_ [12:40] <kemik> redguy: dunno what keyboardlayout you have.. but "shift-" [12:40] <kemik> redguy: is to the left of 1 [12:41] <ethan_> brer_rabbit, Do you think it would help to set up my own partition map? [12:41] <redguy> kemik: not on my keyboard :( [12:41] <ce33na> ethan_: ten gig is plenty for a dual boot. Give ubuntu three gig for the root drive and 2 or 3 times your physical ram for the swap partition. Use the rest for osx. Dont ask me how. I havent multibooted a Mac since I owned a Powermac 6100 with debianPPC and 7.5.5 [12:42] <ethan_> but i wont be using os x.. [12:42] <ce33na> at this rate, you wont be using linux either [12:42] <ethan_> i'm done with it... lolol.. [12:42] <ethan_> right. [12:42] <ethan_> ok so i run memtest86? [12:42] <ethan_> do i have to put in anything else? [12:42] <ethan_> or how long should it take? [12:42] <vitor4130> hey thanks a lot!!! i was able to sign in, but now i have another problem.my friends have to have the same kind of messenger as i? right?! otherwise how can i reach them? [12:43] <ce33na> outta here. good luck with the mac [12:43] <Allo> Okay... so i installed the thing using syaptic or whatever... now the next step say: Call "sudo ndiswrapper -i foobar.inf" where foobar.inf is the inf file [12:43] <kemik> if neither *BSD or any linux works.. then you might aswell use OSX or get a real computer (x86 ;) ) [12:43] <Allo> What does it mean by 'Call "sudo ndiswrapper -i foobar.inf"'?? [12:44] <brer_rabbit> kemik I feel I must point out that the motorola risc processor puts intel to shame and most components in an apple are seriously better then an ibm clone [12:44] <kemik> !ndiswrapper [12:44] <ubotu> somebody said ndiswrapper was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper [12:44] <brer_rabbit> therefore that statement reeks of personal bias rather then fact [12:44] <Allo> i tried sudo ndiswrapper -i media/cd0/autoplay.inf in the thingy... but it said sudo ndiswrapper was invalid [12:44] <lee_> hola [12:44] <redguy> Allo: foobar.inf is the .inf file from the driver [12:44] <kemik> brer_rabbit: "ok" [12:45] <redguy> Allo: you have ndiswrapper? [12:45] <lee_> alguien abla espaniol [12:45] <redguy> !es [12:45] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. [12:45] <Allo> Would that be the autoplay file on my cards installation disk? thats the only one called anything.inf as far as i can see [12:45] <kemik> Allo: please read the link carefully [12:45] <kemik> Allo: ndiswrapper-utils is a set of programs which allow .inf files to be used to configure your WiFi card. .inf files are the configuration files used by Microsoft Windows to set up WiFi cards so are readily available. These files can be obtained from your cards (Windows) instalation CD or downloaded from the card manufacturers website. If you are not sure which one to use, try them all. [12:45] <brer_rabbit> kemik, By the way I have an ibm clone (x86) like most people [12:45] <Allo> DICKHEAD! I AM! i dont understand what this call thing is [12:46] <redguy> Allo: 'execute' or 'run from terminal' [12:46] <QMari1> Allo, language.... :( [12:46] <Allo> i have that whole artical copy/pasted on the linux computer... but im stuck... [12:46] <Allo> I did run [12:46] <brer_rabbit> Allo you arent going to win any support that way [12:46] <Allo> sorry [12:46] <redguy> Allo: do you have ndiswrapper-utils ? [12:46] <Allo> im just really frusterated [12:46] <Allo> no [12:46] <Allo> yes i do i mean [12:47] <Allo> i installed it [12:47] <TrekCycling> Does anyone here use Ubuntu with GCC? I tried it out today and I have to say that (minus getting used to the way root is handled) I was extremely impressed with Ubuntu. Especially as a laptop OS. [12:47] <Allo> i went into synaptic and installed it [12:47] <brer_rabbit> ok... [12:47] <kemik> brer_rabbit: well, of course, x86's are better priced ;) [12:47] <Allo> i tried sudo ndiswrapper -i media/cd0/autoplay.inf in the thingy... but it said sudo ndiswrapper was invalid [12:47] <TrekCycling> But I need to compile stuff like Ruby from source and GCC didn't seem to install right over synaptic. [12:47] <redguy> Allo: try sudo ndiswrapper -i /media/cd0/autoplay.inf [12:47] <redguy> Allo: with a / before media [12:47] <Allo> okay let me check [12:48] <kemik> Allo: you tried that from a terminalwindow right ? [12:48] <kemik> TrekCycling: try "apt-get build-essential" [12:49] <redguy> kemik: he did sudo ndiswrapper -i media/cd0/autoplay.inf. Propably within $HOME... [12:49] <kemik> TrekCycling: well, that line was b0rked.. but im sure you know howto ;) [12:49] <TrekCycling> kemik, I get the drift [12:49] <TrekCycling> kemik, Cool [12:50] <Allo> " sudo ndiswrapper -i /media/cdrom0/autorun.inf ls: /etc/ndiswrapper : No such file or directory [12:50] <titaniululz> i'm trying to start an ftp server and getting the error "Unable to start a standalone server: Address already in use". how can i find out what is running on port 21? [12:51] <Allo> " sudo ndiswrapper -i /media/cdrom0/autorun.inf ls: /etc/ndiswrapper : No such file or directory ANYONE?? [12:51] <kemik> titaniululz: netstat | grep 21 perhaps [12:51] <Allo> i did it in the vterminal [12:52] <kemik> ndiswrapper did install successfully [12:52] <kemik> ? [12:53] <brer_rabbit> what is the display reconfigure command? [12:53] <brer_rabbit> dpkg --reconfigure ? [12:53] <kemik> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [12:53] <brer_rabbit> thanks [12:54] <titaniululz> kemik, i don't seem to be able to get pureftpd to start [12:54] <EnsignRedshirt> Hello, world. [12:55] <Allo> Kemik: it didnt say that it did... so i assume it didnt [12:55] <QMari1> Does the program "png2ico" work for anybody? [12:56] <EnsignRedshirt> This may be a bit esoteric, but I'll give it a shot. I'm running warty, and I replaced firefox with the version from the mozilla web page. That works fine, but now in Evolution, clicking on a URL in a mail message does nothing. I can't find an obvious setting to change, and I didn't find anything helpful in the Help page. [12:56] <Allo> i dont know what im doing wrong... i did the next step and it gave me FATAL: blah blah [12:56] <dannyu502_> Allo im having the same exact problem as you [12:56] <dannyu502_> and i dont know what the fuck to do [12:56] <evolveall> Can't get Grub to boot Ubuntu. In Grub right now, please help. [12:57] <QMari1> I have a problem building the program. [12:57] <kemik> Allo: try from the terminal "sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils" [12:57] <QMari1> #C++ is crazy and they don't listen. [12:57] <titaniululz> any suggestions on why i can't run a server on port 21, it says address already in use. what would be using it and how can i kill it? [12:57] <titaniululz> fresh install of ubuntu + apache2 [12:58] <QMari1> Telnet. [12:58] <kemik> titaniululz: port 21 is reserved, only root can use ports lower than 1024 [12:58] <theeil> evolveall: show your grub.conf [12:58] <kemik> titaniululz: so, either run pureftpd as root i guess (sudo) or choose a higher port [12:58] <brer_rabbit> well that may have fixed my problem [12:58] <kemik> titaniululz: the FAQ or docu doesnt say ? [12:58] <titaniululz> isn't that the default ftp port, unless i'm retarded today? [12:58] <kemik> titaniululz: yes it is [12:58] <titaniululz> kemik, it says how to change ports but if i can run it on the default that'd be nice [12:59] <QMari1> Seveas, are you still here? [12:59] <kemik> titaniululz: try running it with "sudo" then [12:59] <Allo> HERE: Ill paste what it says [12:59] <titaniululz> kemik, i'm using terminal as root [12:59] <kemik> Allo: no [12:59] <kemik> Allo: use pastebin [12:59] <kemik> !pastebin [12:59] <ubotu> I heard pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl [12:59] <QMari1> Is anyone here a C++ programmer? [12:59] <kemik> titaniululz: hmm.. well quicktest a higher port [12:59] <titaniululz> root@opti:/home/garrett/Desktop # sudo pure-ftpd || Unable to start a standalone server: Address already in use [12:59] <brer_rabbit> bbiab [12:59] <kemik> QMari1: what are you trying todo ? [12:59] <titaniululz> i tried 5000 and it worked, i was able to connect with 'ftp localhost 5000' [01:00] <dannyu502_> Allo: u get the FATAL: what ever jaun [01:00] <Allo> Yea [01:00] <Allo> ill paste it [01:00] <kemik> titaniululz: then you're either running some service on port 21, or it's some other weird error.. tried netstat? [01:00] <titaniululz> tried netstat and nothing was running on 21 [01:00] <QMari1> Kemik, I am trying to run the program png2ico. [01:01] <QMari1> It doesn't run at all, though. [01:01] <QMari1> Can you help me, please? [01:01] <Allo> im not gonna flood it [01:01] <kemik> it doesnt compile or what ? [01:01] <Allo> It did install it [01:01] <dannyu502_> Allo, yeah I'm getting the same exact thing.... what kind of card are you using? [01:01] <Allo> But when i try the modthing [01:01] <Allo> WUSB54g [01:01] <QMari1> Kemik, no. [01:01] <dannyu502_> Allo, that is the same exact card i am trying to install [01:02] <QMari1> I can give you the source code. [01:02] <QMari1> !paste [01:02] <ubotu> paste is, like, totally, please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text [01:02] <Allo> shit mang... ive spent 60+ hours on tech support with indians just for windows issues... [01:02] <kemik> QMari1: nah, not gonna go through sourcecode 2nite :) [01:02] <dannyu502_> Allo, hahahahahahahhaha [01:02] <Allo> Well i have [01:02] <Allo> i set up our home network [01:02] <QMari1> !C++ [01:03] <Allo> any time i have problems i call them and they usually give me new IPS and stuff... [01:03] <Allo> subnet masks, etc [01:03] <dannyu502_> Allo, dude fucking.... I think we have to do something with prism54.org cause those r the people that make the little chips for our linksys thing [01:03] <Allo> BASTARDS!!! [01:03] <dannyu502_> yeahhh those fucking indians [01:03] <BollocksMacenzie> I have finally managed it... I've got it so that my ethernet card is shutdown, wifi card activated, firestarter settings changed and network monitor displays the correct connection all load automatically on boot! [01:03] <Allo> Danny: I know that this card will work on ubuntu... Ive read success stories online [01:03] <kemik> BollocksMacenzie: nice :) [01:04] <dannyu502_> Allo: lol.. success stories? [01:04] <dannyu502_> Allo: how do we get it to work then [01:04] <Allo> ndiswrapper -m [01:04] <Allo> lol [01:04] <Allo> i duno [01:04] <QMari1> http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=7921 [01:04] <dannyu502_> Allo: I tried installing 4 different drivers [01:04] <Allo> so youre stuck in the same plaec as me? [01:04] <dannyu502_> where are you stuck [01:04] <Allo> fuck drivers... im [01:04] <dannyu502_> i cant do the sudo mod [01:04] <dannyu502_> ting [01:05] <Allo> im stuck on the ermmm... sudo mod thing too [01:05] <Allo> yep [01:05] <dannyu502_> yeah [01:05] <dannyu502_> here type in [01:05] <Allo> hmm... this is the support channel [01:05] <Allo> i cant, its on another computer [01:05] <QMari1> Dannyu502_, Allo, language.... :'( [01:05] <Allo> sorry [01:05] <dannyu502_> ndiswrapper -l [01:05] <Allo> this is frusterating... plus we arent getting help anymore :(((((( [01:05] <dannyu502_> sorry [01:05] <BollocksMacenzie> kermik: firestarter wasthe hardest bit, had to copy the config file into 2 other files... Each one had a different internet access card... Then change /etc/firestarter/firestarter.sh o that it looked at the right one when loading! [01:05] <dannyu502_> Allo, tell me what it says when you type that [01:05] <QMari1> Also, please no "racism". [01:06] <kemik> BollocksMacenzie: firewalls is a mess setting up sometimes :) [01:06] <dannyu502_> Allo, accept my offer to do a DCC chat thingy [01:06] <MrPockets> whats the code to install Bit torrent? [01:06] <BollocksMacenzie> kermik: I know, I cheeted and got away without fiddling with iptables [01:07] <titaniululz> kemik, how do i set it to run on startup? the docs say to add it to rc.local or boot.local but i don't have those files [01:07] <kemik> QMari1: that's quite alot of code to browse.. any specific line it's complainin about ? [01:07] <QMari1> !torrent [01:07] <ubotu> QMari1: I give up, what is it? [01:07] <kemik> titaniululz: debian is different on startup stuff [01:07] <QMari1> No, kemik. This is not my program, obviously. [01:08] <kemik> QMari1: im lost here, you've managed to compile it ? but it doesnt work as it should ? [01:08] <Allo> Heres teh error [01:08] <Allo> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted [01:08] <kemik> QMari1: think a torrentclient is "azureus" or something [01:08] <kemik> !azuereus [01:08] <ubotu> No idea, kemik [01:08] <MrPockets> could someone plesase tell me the code to install bittorrent? [01:08] <Proccesor> anyone know any good warez/movie servers? [01:08] <kemik> !azureus [01:08] <ubotu> I heard azureus is a populat bittorent client written in Java, it can be downloaded from the hoary-extras repository [01:09] <brer_rabbit> bittorrent should be installed by default [01:09] <skapple> it is [01:09] <kemik> Proccesor: think youre in the wrong channel [01:09] <brer_rabbit> I know he is kemik [01:09] <Proccesor> that would be why i asked.. [01:09] <QMari1> Kemik, I think its complaining about the whole thing. [01:09] <Proccesor> =] [01:10] <QMari1> Here is the program's website: http://www.winterdrache.de/freeware/png2ico/index.html . [01:10] <titaniululz> kemik, could i put it in xinitrc? [01:10] <brer_rabbit> debian handles scripts like rh right? [01:10] <Seveas> Proccesor, we do not support copyright infringrment in here [01:11] <Proccesor> heh... [01:11] <Proccesor> i see... [01:11] <Seveas> ubotu, no azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, it can be downloaded from the hoary-extras repository [01:11] <ubotu> Seveas: okay [01:11] <kemik> QMari1: im just not sure what you're having trouble with.. are you sure you're trying to compile it in the right manner? (wit the correct flags etc..) [01:11] <brer_rabbit> well i kinda doubt it but ok [01:12] <kemik> brer_rabbit: well, RedHat has that rc.local that runs like autoexec.bat or whatever.. debian/ubuntu lacks that [01:12] <brer_rabbit> hmmmm [01:12] <kemik> titaniululz: about the startup thing, you'll have to ask someone else or try google/wiki/forums.. [01:12] <brer_rabbit> I can still run sh scripts thought right ./install etc [01:13] <brer_rabbit> ? [01:13] <CptS> hi! i need help configuring my sound card (NeoMagic 256AV nm2200) under knoppix 4.0 (hdd installed), can anyone help? [01:13] <kemik> brer_rabbit: yes ofcourse.. bash-scripts are run the same as in Red Hat [01:13] <brer_rabbit> k [01:13] <brer_rabbit> well I am very unfamiliar with deb [01:13] <brer_rabbit> but fedora has gotten way to sloppy [01:13] <QMari1> Kemik, what do you mean? [01:14] <kemik> CptS: not to be rude, but i think a knoppix helpchannel would be a better place to ask ? [01:14] <teressa> Hello all [01:14] <QMari1> The programmer just said to type in "make" and that was all. [01:14] <kemik> QMari1: so you have a Makefile ? [01:14] <brer_rabbit> I think he was saying it installed in knoppix but not in ubuntu [01:14] <teressa> Anybody know how to make my ipod unmount and disconnect when I close gtkpod?? [01:14] <HrdwrBoB> teressa: it's in the preferences [01:14] <teressa> *crosses fingers [01:14] <QMari1> Yes. [01:14] <teressa> it is? [01:14] <kemik> brer_rabbit: oh.. [01:15] <QMari1> Kemik, did you go to the website. [01:15] <teressa> Where? [01:15] <QMari1> http://www.winterdrache.de/freeware/png2ico/index.html [01:15] <QMari1> ? [01:15] <Allo> anyone wanna help us?? [01:15] <Allo> were both still stuck [01:15] <kemik> QMari1: when you type "make" what does it say? what happens [01:15] <HrdwrBoB> teressa: pregerences, input/poutput [01:15] <CptS> kemik: yeah.. but both distro are debian... and i don't get any answers on knoppix :( [01:15] <HrdwrBoB> 'handle mounting of ipod drive' [01:16] <Allo> Someone please help us? [01:16] <teressa> h aha [01:16] <teressa> Hey [01:16] <teressa> you were right, so... [01:16] <teressa> why does the wiki tell you to add that crazy line of code? [01:16] <dannyu502_> IM SCREWED!!!! I need help setting up WLAN on Ubuntu... allo and I both have the same network adaptor [01:16] <QMari1> Kemik, hold on. [01:16] <kemik> Allo: cant, but try the web / wiki / forums [01:17] <teressa> Is that to make the Ipod disconnect? [01:17] <QMari1> !paste [01:17] <ubotu> it has been said that paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text [01:17] <HrdwrBoB> teressa: well that also tries to handle mounting [01:17] <HrdwrBoB> teressa: you're better off setting up custom scripts to handle it [01:17] <juanej> is there any way to make my ubuntu support accents? [01:17] <HrdwrBoB> which is in the tooltip for that option [01:17] <HrdwrBoB> juanej: like zis? [01:17] <HrdwrBoB> ho ho [01:17] <HrdwrBoB> juanej: it should already [01:18] <juanej> like a spanish TILDE [01:18] <juanej> i dont want to change ubuntu language [01:18] <QMari1> Kemik, http://pastebin.com/338650. [01:18] <juanej> just to make accents work [01:18] <HrdwrBoB> juanej: ubuntu is UTF8 by default and can display everything from ascii to pirate symbols to chinese [01:18] <QMari1> !Linux [01:18] <ubotu> I guess linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Ubuntu is only one version of the GNU/Linux operating system. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux [01:18] <kemik> QMari1: it compiled without errors here [01:19] <QMari1> Kemik, it did? [01:19] <juanej> HrdwrBoB: look like a spanish accent looks here como estas? [01:19] <juanej> see that? [01:19] <QMari1> Kemik, what did you do? [01:19] <kemik> QMari1: download the source again.. and make sure you have g++ and build-essential installed [01:19] <juanej> that TILDE should be above the a [01:19] <kemik> QMari1: i did nothing.. "wget url" "tar -zxvf png.tar.gz" "make" sort of [01:19] <HrdwrBoB> juanej: oh you want to input them? [01:20] <HrdwrBoB> juanej: you can use the character map [01:20] <juanej> but i have a spanish keyboard [01:20] <HrdwrBoB> other than that I don't know what the best method is [01:20] <HrdwrBoB> did you set it up as a spanish keybord? [01:20] <juanej> yes [01:20] <kemik> juanej: maybe try in #ubuntu-es they may have better insights [01:21] <juanej> that ppl over there doesnt help [01:21] <teressa> hrdwrbob: How do I make a costom scipt :)? [01:21] <skapple> how do i set a folder so that it can be read/write by all users? [01:22] <kemik> skapple: chmod 777 foldername [01:22] <Blazer_ES> Hi [01:22] <Blazer_ES> It aint working [01:22] <skapple> thank you [01:22] <QMari1> Kemik, it still will not work. [01:22] <kemik> skapple: actually, that will allow all users to execute aswell [01:22] <skapple> that is fine. [01:22] <kemik> QMari1: and youve apt-getted g++ and build-essential ? [01:22] <Blazer_ES> I choose the 60giger during install and then it locks up at 12% creating ext3 file system [01:22] <QMari1> Yes. [01:23] <kemik> QMari1: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1308 [01:23] <kemik> QMari1: all i did [01:23] <DanteAlighieri> Blazrer_ES, they still make 60 GB HDs? ;) [01:24] <skapple> kemik: will it work recursively, like for all the folders inside that folder? [01:24] <kemik> skapple: add the -R switch and it will [01:24] <Blazer_ES> anyone have an idea? [01:24] <Blazer_ES> install progress freezes at 12% when creating ext3 file system [01:25] <Allo> HELP US PLEASE [01:25] <Allo> we install the correct driver, but it says its invalid [01:25] <skapple> kemik: how can i make the folder red/write/execut7able by another user, instead of root? [01:25] <theeil> would ubuntu be OK if i install using this computer, then move this hard drive to another computer? [01:25] <QMari1> Kemik, I still have errors. [01:25] <iiiears> !chmod [01:25] <ubotu> iiiears: Bugger all, i dunno [01:25] <QMari1> Something is wrong with my computer. [01:25] <QMari1> !G++ [01:25] <desrt> Allo; you should go write the distraught ubuntu users' manifesto [01:25] <kevincc> Hi [01:25] <Karhuton> theeil, it should. If it's configured properly for the another one. [01:25] <QMari1> !Gcc [01:25] <ubotu> QMari1: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [01:26] <QMari1> !G++ [01:26] <NoUse> theeil: I think as long as your processor type is the same, otherwise make sure that a generic i386 kernel is installed [01:26] <desrt> QMari1; apt-get install build-essential [01:26] <kevincc> How come the Python header files (like Python.h) aren't included in /usr/include/python2.4? Where can I get them? [01:26] <Allo> KEMIK! Keep helping us, me and danny are both stuck [01:26] <QMari1> Desrt, I did. [01:26] <QMari1> It is the newest version. [01:26] <QMari1> :' [01:26] <desrt> QMari1; so what error is occuring? [01:26] <dannyu502_> I AM STUCKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!1 [01:26] <QMari1> :'( [01:26] <theeil> ok, i may just have to run xf86config (or something that sounds like that) [01:27] <kemik> QMari1: seems something in your system is b0rked, or you're just missing a package [01:27] <Karhuton> kevincc, have you installed python2.4-dev? [01:27] <teressa> I can't get it to let me disconnect :( [01:27] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt_, I NEED HELP!!! [01:27] <ksmurf> where do I get the gtkhtml2 python bindings [01:27] <QMari1> I may be missing a package [01:27] <Seveas> dannyu502_, caps/screaming will not help [01:27] <NoUse> theeil yeah X might need a reconfigure but the base system should be ok [01:27] <c0rrupt_> dannyu502_, how can i help [01:27] <kemik> skapple: uhm chmod 777 should make the folder RWX by *all* users [01:27] <Karhuton> kevincc, header files are always in a separate package - often named -dev [01:27] <QMari1> Hello Seveas. [01:27] <teressa> Grrr ipod [01:27] <skapple> kemik: well it did notm, i cannot move the folder i need inside of nautilus, do i need to restart something? [01:28] <dannyu502_> Seveas, sry..... c0rrupt_, ummm im still stuck on that problem with the ndiswrapper [01:28] <herculees> hi [01:28] <kevincc> Karhuton, I don't see that package in Synaptic [01:28] <Allo> Corrupt!!! [01:28] <QMari1> Hello. [01:28] <c0rrupt_> allo? [01:28] <theeil> NoUse: great! but it's too bad it will not work on that computer [01:28] <Allo> Help me and danny! [01:28] <Allo> Tell him danny [01:28] <Allo> no, i will [01:28] <kemik> skapple: what sort of folder? what sort of partition ? [01:28] <c0rrupt_> allo, danny have same problem [01:28] <skapple> kemik: i made it work, thank you [01:28] <ksmurf> gtkhtml2 python bindings anyone? [01:28] <Seveas> Allo/danny what's the exact problem? [01:28] <kemik> Allo: cant help you beyond that wiki [01:28] <Karhuton> "apt-cache search python2.4 dev" -> "python2.4-dev - Header files and a static library for Python (v2.4)" [01:28] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt_, when me and allo type sudo modprobe ndiswrapper [01:28] <Allo> We both installed the stuff, and when we install the driver and check it, it says its invalid, and therefore we cant finish and just have internet access [01:28] <cyphase> hey everyone [01:28] <dannyu502_> it gives us the same FATAL: Ndisk crap [01:28] <c0rrupt_> hm [01:29] <c0rrupt_> what did you tie to ndiswrapper [01:29] <c0rrupt_> ndiswrapper -i what [01:29] <herculees> how can I change the kernel to an older version in text-mode install? [01:29] <herculees> I am using 5.04 [01:29] <skapple> is there a keyboard shortcut i can use to copy a file instead of moving it when using drag and drop? [01:29] <Allo> im gonna go eat... Danny, when i get back tell me what he says [01:29] <cyphase> does anyone know that stat about 50% of windows computers are 98 or lower? [01:29] <cyphase> or something like that [01:29] <QMari1> Hello QMario. [01:29] <Seveas> ksmurf, python2.4-gnome2-extras: usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtkhtml2.so [01:29] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt_, Seveas, we both have the same Wireless network adaptor and both are stuck on the same spot [01:29] <kemik> skapple: press down CTRL i thin [01:30] <kevincc> Karhuton, I get "samba - a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix" [01:30] <kevincc> weird [01:30] <ksmurf> Seavea Thanks [01:30] <teressa> whoa... Seveas is stuck on somthin?? [01:30] <c0rrupt_> dannyu502_, you didnt answer my question. what file did you add with ndiswrapper -i [01:30] <teressa> I canna belive it! [01:30] <Karhuton> kevincc, Me too, but it's above it :) [01:30] <Seveas> dannyu502_, dod you try to use all 3 drivers? [01:30] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt_, Seveas, ummm WUSB54G.inf [01:30] <Seveas> teressa, read better :) [01:30] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt_, Seveas, yes [01:30] <kevincc> Karhuton, That is the only result I get [01:30] <c0rrupt_> hm [01:30] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt_, Seveas, yesand an extra one also [01:30] <Karhuton> How can I see which repository is providing a certain package? [01:30] <Seveas> c0rrupt_, and it always said invalid driver? [01:30] <Seveas> dannyu502_* [01:31] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt_, Seveas, yes for all of them [01:31] <Seveas> Karhuton, apt-cache policy [01:31] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt_, Seveas, Allo is having the same exact problem as I am [01:31] <Seveas> dannyu502_, in that case you'd better give up until better drivers are released [01:31] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt_, Seveas, lol [01:31] <Seveas> especially since the same happens in 2 different settings [01:31] <c0rrupt_> yea maybe [01:31] <Karhuton> kevincc: cdrom://Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407) hoary/main Packages [01:31] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt_, Seveas, so i must stay internet free ? [01:31] <Seveas> ndiswrapper+windrivers is not a guaranteed solution [01:31] <c0rrupt_> nah [01:31] <Karhuton> kevincc: http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages [01:31] <c0rrupt_> buy a new wireless card, if possible [01:32] <mike_> hey [01:32] <Seveas> dannyu502_, you might have more luck when you compile ndiswraper yourself [01:32] <c0rrupt_> i use wpc11 version 4.. [01:32] <c0rrupt_> it works [01:32] <Seveas> there is a much newer version available than in the archive [01:32] <Karhuton> kevincc, python2.4-dev is those two repositories, atleast. I'm guessing the latter one is the main repository [01:32] <Seveas> many people have had better luck with that [01:32] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt_, Seveas, but ndiswrapper people said that this wireless card is compatable, infact it was designed origional for this wireless card [01:32] <mike_> is anyone here good with ysql? [01:32] <Seveas> dannyu502_, then try the latest ndiswrapper [01:32] <c0rrupt_> debowned? [01:32] <mike_> mysql [01:32] <Seveas> mike22, shoot [01:32] <herculees> a repeat question, but does anyone know how to change the kernel to an older version through text-mode for 5.04 [01:32] <c0rrupt_> look around the web for newer drivers [01:32] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt_, Seveas, how do I get that [01:33] <kevincc> Karhuton, Can I just do "apt-get python2.4 dev" ? [01:33] <Karhuton> Seveas, are header files in 'deb-src' or 'deb' repositories? [01:33] <Karhuton> "kevincc, you can try: apt-get install python2.4-dev [01:33] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt_, Seveas, and more confusing yet,, when i get that how do I install it [01:33] <Seveas> dannyu502_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto [01:33] <mike_> Seveas, i've made a php webstore, and everything works, save for my last table creation [01:33] <Seveas> Karhuton, deb [01:34] <Karhuton> kevincc, try updating your repositories with Synaptic or similiar. Python should be available in yours. [01:34] <kevincc> Karhuton, Not available that way [01:34] <dannyu502_> Seveas, I already loooked at that site its not helping im still stuck on the sudo modprobe part [01:34] <mike_> i would like to show you the code snippet, but it's rather long [01:34] <Seveas> python2.4-dev is in main [01:34] <Karhuton> kevincc, you _have_ enabled internet repositories, right? [01:34] <Dime> damn soundblaster [01:34] <dannyu502_> Seveas, and when i do ndiswrapper -l it sais they are all invalid driver [01:34] <Seveas> dannyu502_, this is a different one [01:34] <dannyu502_> s [01:34] <c0rrupt_> maybe you have a differnt card version than hte drivers i sent [01:34] <dannyu502_> seveas oo [01:34] <Dime> i had it working last night [01:34] <Dime> now it stopped [01:34] <mike_> but as i said, it's the only part that does not work, and i think that maybe mysql does not like the amount of entries [01:34] <Karhuton> And you're not hanging on some cd distribution of Ubuntu? [01:35] <c0rrupt_> dannyu502_, what chipset does it use? [01:35] <kevincc> Karhuton, I don't know :P [01:35] <Seveas> mike_, try a pastebin [01:35] <c0rrupt_> rt2500? [01:35] <c0rrupt_> i need to know [01:35] <c0rrupt_> ;\ [01:35] <Dime> anyone here have a ISA soundblaster? [01:35] <dannyu502_> it uses [01:35] <dannyu502_> the [01:36] <Karhuton> Seveas, kevincc propably doesn't have any other repositories besides the original cd-rom (thus he doesn't have python2.4-dev available). Can you point him to a wiki on how to enable the internet repositories? [01:36] <dannyu502_> Prism54 [01:36] <dannyu502_> chipset [01:36] <Seveas> mysql should handle a large amount of entries just fine, so please paste the error on the pastebin too [01:36] <c0rrupt_> oh [01:36] <c0rrupt_> hm [01:36] <Seveas> !tell kevincc about repos [01:36] <c0rrupt_> maybe the drivers i gave you were for rt2500 [01:36] <herculees> what can I do when I get Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill the idle task! [01:36] <Allo> well im using drivers off of the disc that came... i have tested them all lyet [01:36] <kevincc> Thanks [01:36] <c0rrupt_> dannyu502_, if it uses prism54 [01:36] <Seveas> herculees, panic :) [01:37] <c0rrupt_> just use the prism54 drivers, not ndiswrapper [01:37] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt_m the one you gave me was the wrong one but i have the drivers from the disk installed too [01:37] <herculees> hehe, I am panicing right now :) [01:37] <Karhuton> herculees, I like to scream into a pillow [01:37] <Seveas> herculees, at which point does this happen? [01:37] <Allo> *came with it [01:37] <herculees> right after RAMDISK [01:37] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt, how do i install the prism54 drivers, i was trying but i got raelly confused [01:37] <c0rrupt_> sec [01:37] <Seveas> herculees, ah install cd? [01:37] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt_, go to www.prism54.org [01:37] <herculees> yes [01:38] <herculees> 5.04 [01:38] <Seveas> which ubuntu version? [01:38] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt, thats the site [01:38] <herculees> RAMDISK driver initialized : 16 RAM disks of ... size ... etc.... [01:38] <herculees> then invalid operand: 0000 [#1] ... PREEMPT .... [01:38] <Seveas> herculees, which ubuntu version, which architecture? [01:39] <herculees> somewhere I read that I can fix it by changing to older kernel version [01:39] <herculees> as I said, it is 5.04 for intel x86 [01:39] <Seveas> hmm [01:39] <Seveas> never seen that before... [01:39] <Seveas> what type/speed of CPU? [01:40] <abdula> Bill Gates Strikes a Pose for Teen Beat Photospread, 1983 --> http://systemsecure.org/ssforum/viewtopic.php?t=85 [01:40] <herculees> 3.0 Ghz Pentium [01:40] <herculees> 4 [01:40] <Seveas> stupid spammer [01:40] <dannyu502_> hahah [01:40] <mike_> Seveas, http://winpvr.mine.nu/code.php-issue.txt [01:40] <c0rrupt_> Lol [01:40] <kevincc> Karhuton, Seveas Thanks again! [01:41] <Seveas> mike_, i'm looking now.. [01:41] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt_, did u find out how to install that driver from www.prism54.org [01:41] <c0rrupt_> nien [01:41] <mike_> i have an entire section commented out for debug [01:41] <dannyu502_> :-( [01:41] <X_Naut> wow [01:41] <mike_> and it is the only part that does cause issue [01:42] <c0rrupt_> god damn nessus, still wont connect [01:42] <dannyu502_> seveas, do you know how to install the driver I need which is from www.prism54.org? [01:42] <c0rrupt_> should i just re-install? [01:42] <mike_> mysql says error in syntax near 'VARCHAR(50), fax VARCHAR(50) [01:42] <Allo> Danny, arent you using the wusb54g?? [01:42] <mike_> though my syntax is the same everywhere [01:43] <theeil> mike_: what was the whole line you entered [01:43] <dannyu502_> Allo, yeahhh [01:43] <Allo> then try all of the drivers off the disc it came with [01:43] <Seveas> mike_, above FAX at about 1/3 you close a statement but don't open a new one [01:43] <Allo> im in the process currently [01:43] <Blazer_ES> happeneed again ! my install progress always freezes at 12% when creating the ext 3 file system [01:43] <Allo> Ill be back [01:43] <dannyu502_> Allo, but prism54 makes the chipset for the WUSB54G [01:43] <Bags> any folks here know anythign about PPC? [01:43] <dannyu502_> Allo, thats where the 54 comes from [01:43] <mike_> yes, i closed it for the purpose of seeing if it would run from above that [01:43] <dannyu502_> seveas, do you know how to install the driver I need which is from www.prism54.org? [01:44] <Seveas> mike_, and it did? [01:44] <Seveas> mike_, ah ! [01:44] <mike_> i closed after before fax. [01:44] <Bags> The installation seemed to be going really well. I got through to the part where it says it's now going to reboot into the Ubuntu OS and intall the rest of th epackages, but when it came back, all I got was a question mark. Then after a number of reboots, all I get is a black screen. [01:44] <mike_> then ran code again in www [01:44] <mike_> no luck [01:44] <Seveas> check is a reserved word afaik [01:44] <mike_> oh [01:44] <Ice9> QTDIR... configure: error: *** QTDIR must be defined, or --with-qtdir option given [01:44] <mike_> i should use ck? [01:44] <Ice9> whats that supposed to mean [01:44] <Seveas> try escaping all table/column names with `` [01:44] <Seveas> like `fax` [01:44] <mike_> hm [01:45] <Seveas> Ice9, that you need to install libqt3-mt-dev [01:45] <mike_> with the back tick? [01:45] <Seveas> yes [01:45] <mike_> hmmmmm [01:45] <ksmurf> I'm getting this error unable to open /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile (No such file or directory). How do I fix it? [01:45] <mike_> if this works, i'll send you ram or something [01:45] <mike_> :-X [01:45] <mike_> i get paid good for this job [01:45] <dannyu502_> seveas, do you know how to install the driver I need which is from www.prism54.org? [01:45] <Seveas> mike_, indeed, check is a reserved word [01:45] <mike_> ahh [01:45] <mike_> stupid me [01:46] <mike_> i don't know the mysql too well [01:46] <Seveas> it is also always good practice to quote table/database/column names [01:46] <ksmurf> not stupid just not informed [01:46] <mike_> well, looks like i have much work to back tick [01:46] <mike_> hahaha [01:46] <Seveas> dannyu502_, sudo modprobe prism54 [01:46] <phreakys> hi [01:46] <ksmurf> hey phreak [01:47] <Seveas> 'nacht phreakys [01:47] <phreakys> howdy [01:47] <ksmurf> bonjour [01:47] <phreakys> :) [01:47] <ksmurf> ;> [01:47] <ksmurf> just bugging ya [01:48] <phreakys> :p [01:48] <Allo> Okay, heres a problem, if i put in -e instead of the -i, like i wanna delete it, it says it doesnt exist, but if i put in the -i it says its already installed [01:48] <c0rrupt_> LOL [01:48] <c0rrupt_> @allo [01:48] <c0rrupt_> debowned [01:48] <Allo> :( [01:48] <Allo> well fix it damn you! [01:48] <dfeed_> if I want to install flash and java plug-ins for firefox, would it be more sensible to install them from within firefox or from packages? [01:48] <ksmurf> I'm getting this error unable to open /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile (No such file or directory). How do I fix it? I'm tring to install PenguinTV. [01:49] <phreakys> packages dfeed [01:49] <Allo> HEY!!! IM GETTING THE HELp, YOU WAIT IN LINE!!! [01:49] <phreakys> ;) [01:49] <Seveas> Allo, drop the caps [01:49] <nekohayo> could someone fire up Audacity, and tell me if the ABOUT dialog displays something else than squares? [01:49] <theeil> ksmurf: does it exist? [01:49] <Allo> otay :( [01:49] <Seveas> rm -rf /etc/ndiswrapper may help Allo [01:49] <dfeed_> ok, time to read some wiki pages, I feel. [01:49] <Bags> any folks here know much about PPC? [01:49] <Seveas> dfeed_, always packages [01:49] <phreakys> is there any nongeek tutorial on the net about postfix somewhere? [01:49] <cafuego> Bags: yes [01:49] <dannyu502_> Seveas, me and allo have the same problem fyi :-D [01:50] <Allo> just put rm -rf /etc/ndiswrapper in the prompt? [01:50] <phreakys> or a gui replacement whatsoever? [01:50] <c0rrupt_> he knows. [01:50] <Blazer_ES> Why the hell does my install always freeze at 12% when creating ext3 someone must have an idea -.- [01:50] <Seveas> dfeed_, flashplayer-mozilla (from multiverse) and java from sun or a 3rd party repository [01:50] <c0rrupt_> does nessus have an irc channel anywhere? [01:50] <dfeed_> ooh, extra helpful, thanks Seveas. [01:50] <Bags> cafuego, Oh, thank goodness... [01:50] <c0rrupt_> oh here [01:50] <ksmurf> theeil no it does not exist but do I just make the dir or is there something else I have to do? [01:51] <theeil> Blazer_ES: ubuntu installer or are you making a new partition yourself, does this just happen w/ ext3 filesystem [01:51] <Bags> cafuego, The installation seemed to be going really well. I got through to the part where it says it's now going to reboot into the Ubuntu OS and intall the rest of th epackages, but when it came back, all I got was a question mark. Then after a number of reboots, all I get is a black screen. [01:51] <robertj> is the procedure for setting up WPA the same for all ndiswrapper-based cards? [01:51] <theeil> ksmurf: well you DO need the makefile... [01:51] <Seveas> robertj, yes [01:51] <ksmurf> theeil I'm losey at figuring these things out me=n00b [01:52] <Allo> SEVEAS: "Cannot remove '/etc/ndiswrapper': Permission Denied" [01:52] <theeil> ksmurf: do you have python? [01:52] <dannyu502_> Allo, rm -rf /etc/ndiswrapper removes ndiswrapper [01:52] <Blazer_ES> no I choose the 3rd HDD to delete everything [01:52] <dannyu502_> Allo, LOL!!!! I GOT THE SAME EXACT ERROR MESSAGE [01:52] <ksmurf> theeil python 2.4 [01:52] <theeil> print full output on #flood [01:52] <Seveas> Allo, sudo [01:52] <Allo> ah [01:52] <Allo> okay [01:52] <Bags> cafuego, I think I have a bad Open Firmware Config [01:52] <robertj> Seveas: does http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-31418.html look like it should work? [01:53] <dannyu502_> Allo, type in sudo [01:53] <dannyu502_> Allo, type in sudo thne it works [01:53] <ksmurf> ah screw it. Time to try breezy [01:53] <ksmurf> bbl [01:53] <Allo> okay, now what? [01:53] <Bags> cafuego, Either that, or it's booting into some wierd screen config that my monitor won't agree to. [01:53] <Allo> the whole directory is gone now... so what do i do now? [01:53] <Seveas> robertj, doen't look bad [01:53] <ksmurf> theeil thanks [01:53] <Allo> reinstall the driver? [01:54] <dannyu502_> Allo, i tihnk we have to reinstall ndiswrapper [01:54] <Bags> I can see it's IP address appearing on the LAN, and strangely, it's actually serving on port 110... [01:54] <cafuego> Bags: Then I don't think boot loader installation completed corectly. [01:54] <Bags> Right. [01:54] <Allo> fuck [01:54] <Allo> :x [01:54] <Bags> cafuego, Right. [01:54] <Bags> cafuego, Any ideas? [01:55] <c0rrupt_> ] [01:55] <Bags> cafuego, I can't get an Open Firmware console to work with... [01:55] <nekohayo> anyone got a few seconds to fire up audacity? [01:55] <cafuego> Bags: Can you access the install if you boot the install cd, then mount it and chroot into it? [01:55] <nekohayo> just want to know if it displays something else than squares in the about dialog [01:55] <Allo> Any ideas?? [01:55] <Bags> cafuego, [01:55] <Allo> ill try reinstalling the drivers too?? [01:55] <dannyu502_> Allo, I am lost [01:55] <Bags> cafuego, I'll try [01:55] <cafuego> Bags: okies. [01:55] <robertj> well' ill give it a go [01:56] <dannyu502_> Allo, we've gotta install the new version of ndiswrapper [01:56] <Allo> Danny... where at?? I deleted it, now i reinstalled it with synaptic, now what? [01:56] <cafuego> Bags: AFter that, see if you can run mkosboot and ybin by hand. [01:56] <Allo> i think i got the new version [01:56] <cafuego> Bags: (in the chroot) [01:56] <dannyu502_> Allo, nooo you cant get it from syaptic [01:56] <cafuego> `mkofboot' even [01:56] <dannyu502_> Allo, talk to me in our private room [01:56] <Allo> NO [01:56] <dannyu502_> YESSS [01:56] <Allo> I know i know... [01:57] <_pax> This is offtopic, but pardon me, I just can't resist not sharing this piece of news "An unidentified software virus was being blamed for computer system outages on Tuesday at ABC News, CNN and the New York Times.." [01:57] <Blazer_ES> That new one that restarts the pc? [01:58] <theeil> is there an easy way to disable the gnome desktop? [01:58] <MrPockets> whats the URL paste site? [01:58] <brer_rabbit> what version of gcc does ubuntu use? [01:58] <nekohayo> theeil, you mean the icons? [01:58] <brer_rabbit> hoary 5.4/ [01:58] <cafuego> !info gcc [01:58] <ubotu> gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4:3.3.5-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 64 kB [01:58] <theeil> nekohayo: yes [01:58] <_pax> MrPockets: go to any news site. I spammed enough :) [01:58] <nekohayo> ok [01:58] <Bags> cafuego, Can't get it to boot off the cd now... [01:58] <brer_rabbit> k thanks [01:58] <nekohayo> theeil, ALT-F2, type gconf, enter, then navigate to [01:58] <cafuego> Bags: d'oh. Can you zap the pram, then boot off cd? [01:58] <phreakys> has ubuntu a telnetserver by default? [01:58] <MrPockets> _pax, im not so sure i understand [01:58] <nekohayo> oops sorry [01:58] <nekohayo> not alt ft [01:59] <Seveas> phreakys, no [01:59] <cafuego> phreakys: no. [01:59] <Bags> cafuego, I'll try [01:59] <cafuego> phreakys: telnet bad, fire angry! [01:59] <phreakys> ok, tnx [01:59] <MrPockets> im looking for the site i use if i want to show you a long code [01:59] <nekohayo> theeil, find it in the system tools menu [01:59] <phreakys> telnet is allright isnt it? [01:59] <nekohayo> "configuration editor" [01:59] <cafuego> phreakys: cleartext passwords, bad [01:59] <nekohayo> theeil, then apps > nautilus [01:59] <nekohayo> > desktop [01:59] <phreakys> hmm, any alternatives? [01:59] <cafuego> phreakys: 'ssh' is by far preferred [01:59] <theeil> nekohayo: don't have gconf, is that the only way [01:59] <phreakys> ic [01:59] <Seveas> ubotu, telnet is bad, use ssh (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SAHHowto) [01:59] <ubotu> Seveas: okay [02:00] <Seveas> ubotu, no telnet is bad, use ssh (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto) [02:00] <ubotu> okay, Seveas [02:00] <nekohayo> theeil, use the system tools menu [02:00] <phreakys> k, ill check for a outofthebox ssh server then :) [02:00] <cafuego> phreakys: if you need to get in from window,s download and use putty (free) [02:00] <equex> can anyone suggest a program that can read the various logs that the system puts everywhere and present them in a central event viewer of some kind ? [02:00] <tweekken> ftp is equally BAD [02:00] <nekohayo> theeil, and use "configuration editor" [02:00] <cafuego> phreakys: 'apt-get install openssh-server' [02:00] <piotrek21> Anybody from Poland? [02:00] <cafuego> tweekken: At least you can 'su -' using ftp [02:00] <theeil> nekohayo: but i don't have it ;( [02:00] <Seveas> phreakys, sudo aptitude install openssh-server [02:00] <nekohayo> hmm weird [02:01] <nekohayo> you could apt-get install gtweakui [02:01] <Blacksheep> hi i have problem with my mic...i have sound but i dont can use my mic [02:01] <iiiears> cafuego - what is freenx - seen it mentioned alongside ssh. [02:01] <tweekken> openssh allows for ssh in place of rsh and telnet and sftp in place of ftp [02:01] <cafuego> !info freenx [02:01] <Seveas> freenx is a vnc-like remote desktop connection [02:01] <Seveas> it's amazingly fast [02:01] <cafuego> freenx isn't packaged, thus does not exist. [02:01] <iiiears> lol - okay. google is a newbs best friend. thanks. :) [02:01] <theeil> nekohayo: last time i used it, gnome didn't work the next day [02:01] <c0rrupt_> MMMMMMM [02:01] <Seveas> cafuego, hoary-extras has it :) [02:01] <c0rrupt_> honey monkey [02:01] <tweekken> cafuego lol [02:02] <piotrek21> not working gadu-gadu [02:02] <Bags> cafuego, Zapping the P-Ram causes it to restart (I can hear the chime) but I still don't get any output to the screen... I can hear the CDROM spinning up, but I don't know what the Mac is doing... No output on the graphics card... [02:02] <cafuego> Bags: Could it be running a LONG ram check? [02:02] <cafuego> Bags: Or do you have a dual input DVI/VGA screen? [02:03] <Kyral> I got breezy to work :D [02:03] <Bags> cafuego, I have to hang some washing out on the line now... I'll be back in a few minutes... (I'm working from home, wife's in hospital, I'm caring for our 5 yo... ;-) [02:03] <piotrek21> who want help me? [02:03] <Karhuton> !fglrx [02:03] <ubotu> methinks fglrx is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto [02:03] <c0d3ster> im having PHP trouble =/ [02:03] <c0d3ster> Error: Extension MySQL was not found compiled and loaded in the PHP interpreter. SQLyog requires this extension to work properly. [02:03] <Bags> cafuego, No, only one input. [02:03] <Seveas> piotrek21, for polish people -> #ubuntu-pl [02:03] <Seveas> c0d3ster, php4-mysql [02:03] <Bags> I've tested the monitor. [02:03] <cafuego> c0d3ster: sudo apt-get install php4-mysql; sudo apache2ctl graceful [02:03] <jrkettle> Hi, How can I get my screen resolution to go higher then 1024x768 when that is the highest resolution in the settings? I know my monitor supports higher. [02:03] <Seveas> cafuego, what's that second part for? [02:03] <Bags> cafuego, I've tested the monitor on my IBM server here and it's working fine. [02:03] <Seveas> reloding? [02:04] <cafuego> Bags: okay (my LCD sometimes tried to use vga when the mac is connected via dvi) [02:04] <cafuego> Seveas: yep [02:04] <Bags> cafuego, What I may do is swap out the GPU. [02:04] <cafuego> speaking of washing [02:04] <iiiears> jrkettle, - ask ubotu about !display or !resolution [02:04] <Bags> I've got another one here that may force a reset of the settings... [02:04] <phreakys> ok, night [02:04] <Bags> cafuego, I've got another one here that may force a reset of the settings... [02:04] <iiiears> !display [02:04] <ubotu> display is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto or ask !Resolution [02:04] <brer_rabbit> hmmm so far java install is a failure... while it installed the plugin doesnt seem to be recognized [02:04] <Blacksheep> jrkettle you must set the vsync and the hsync to the data in your handbook of the monitor. yuo found v and high sync in xorg.conf [02:05] <jrkettle> thanks [02:05] <brer_rabbit> ah well work on that latger [02:05] <brer_rabbit> uh later [02:05] <Bags> cafuego, I have to hang some washing out on the line now... I'll be back in a few minutes... (I'm working from home, wife's in hospital, I'm caring for our 5 yo... ;-) [02:05] <FF|Alex> Hellio [02:06] <Blacksheep> jrkettle i use 1200x1600 can your monitor this?? [02:06] <Alexg> need some guidance please [02:06] <c0d3ster> Seveas and Cafuego: I already have php4-mysql installed, and i have no idea what "sudo apache2ctl graceful" just did, but Im still running into the same error [02:06] <xin> Hello. Im trying to install Ubuntu on my Cd-Less, Floppy-Less laptop. Ive figured I can boot into single user mode on the existing debian install. Format the disks then install Ubuntu from a USB CD drive. Now, Is this possible and how would I go about doing it? [02:07] <Seveas> c0d3ster, sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 restart [02:07] <Allo> soooo... Seveas or C0rrupted: Any ideas why its still not working? [02:07] <Alexg> umm when i boot into ubuntu i get the bash command lnie interface,how the hell do i get the gui interface? [02:07] <Blacksheep> jrkettle my monitor settings: Section "Monitor" [02:07] <Blacksheep> Identifier "Standardbildschirm" [02:07] <Blacksheep> Option "DPMS" [02:07] <Blacksheep> HorizSync 30-75 [02:07] <Blacksheep> VertRefresh 50-85 [02:07] <Blacksheep> EndSection [02:07] <nekohayo> Alexg, the command is startx [02:07] <Alexg> hmm that didnt work [02:07] <nekohayo> you will probably have errors. [02:07] <Alexg> when i tried [02:07] <Alexg> =/ [02:07] <nekohayo> what's the output? [02:07] <Seveas> Allo, did you try sudo modprobe prism54? [02:07] <Alexg> umm [02:07] <Seveas> it has native linux drivers... [02:07] <Alexg> unreackonised command [02:08] <nekohayo> ......uh? [02:08] <Alexg> yeh [02:08] <nekohayo> did you do it as root? [02:08] <Alexg> no [02:08] <nekohayo> sudo startx [02:08] <dannyu502_> Seveas, yeah but i dont know how to install the prism54 drivers [02:08] <c0d3ster> Seveas: =/ I still get the error... would re-installing fix it? [02:08] <Alexg> i have no idea what my root password is [02:08] <Alexg> =/ [02:08] <nekohayo> sudo uses your own password [02:08] <Seveas> dannyu502_, THAT loads the prism54 drivers [02:08] <Seveas> they are already there [02:08] <Alexg> login using sudo then [02:09] <Alexg> ? [02:09] <Alexg> username : sudo [02:09] <nekohayo> no [02:09] <Alexg> pass :mypass [02:09] <Seveas> Alexg, no [02:09] <dannyu502_> Seveas, ooo so i jsut downlaod the drivers [02:09] <Seveas> login as yourself [02:09] <nekohayo> Alexg, login normally, then do sudo startx [02:09] <mick> hi folks [02:09] <Alexg> ok ill give it a shot [02:09] <Seveas> nekohayo, eeek [02:09] <Alexg> thank you [02:09] <Seveas> don't run startx as root Alexg [02:09] <martin> Hi everyboy... i have a simple question... what is the name of the basic fonts similar linux prompt ? [02:09] <Seveas> simply run startx [02:09] <nekohayo> Seveas, what? [02:09] <nekohayo> dunno, I was suggesting [02:09] <Seveas> nekohayo, running X as root is evil [02:09] <dannyu502_> Seveas, it gives me a choice to down load Tarballs, 2.6, or 2.4 kernal patches. whcih one should i download? [02:10] <Alexg> hehe [02:10] <Allo> Allo, did you try sudo modprobe prism54? No, not yet [02:10] <nekohayo> since "unrecognized command" sounded fishy [02:10] <Seveas> dannyu502_, neither [02:10] <Alexg> ok many thinaks [02:10] <Seveas> it is there already! [02:10] <pauldaoust> hoo boy. I'm in console right now. [02:10] <mick> sorry to intrude, but anyone any good with sound here, esp cheapo cmi card? [02:10] <Alexg> be back [02:10] <pauldaoust> mick: possibly... what's CMI? [02:10] <dannyu502_> Seveas, those are the only choices of things ffor me to downlaod fromt he prism54 website [02:10] <iiiears> !sound [02:10] <ubotu> I guess sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063, or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/ [02:10] <Seveas> dannyu502_, are you deaf? [02:10] <mick> its the card and chip on it [02:11] <pauldaoust> mick: might be C-Media... [02:11] <Seveas> i told you 3 times now, the prism54 drivers are already installed [02:11] <mick> thats the one [02:11] <pauldaoust> mick: what sorta porblems are you having? [02:11] <dannyu502_> Seveas, here look at this page http://www.prism54.org/download/ [02:11] <mick> my prob paul is getting the mic to accept input [02:11] <iiiears> Faxes Seveas a cold pepsi. [02:11] <pauldaoust> mick: ah. what program are you using? [02:11] <Seveas> iiiears, thnxs [02:11] <pauldaoust> (i.e., to record audio) [02:11] <mick> alsa for sound, arts inkde [02:11] <mick> and skype is the one im tying to get the mic workng in [02:11] <Allo> hmm.... what does that site mean? [02:11] <mick> it uses oss emulation [02:12] <mick> output is a dream [02:12] <mick> input is a nightmare [02:12] <pauldaoust> mick: gotcha. ummmmmmm... gee whiz. where did I see that... can you hear [02:12] <pauldaoust> mick [02:12] <malv> anyone know of a good cheap pci wireless card thats well supported under linux? [02:12] <pauldaoust> mick: ah, that answers my question [02:12] <malv> 802.11g [02:12] <Seveas> malv, belkins aren't bad iirc [02:12] <Karhuton> malv, 'cheap' and well supported don't go together very well [02:12] <pauldaoust> mick: is it completely silent, or do you get error messages too? [02:12] <malv> hmmmm, any personal recommendations? [02:13] <Seveas> malv, don't go for asus [02:13] <dannyu502_> Seveas, here look at this page http://www.prism54.org/download/ [02:13] <mick> no error messages, just fainty almost whispering [02:13] <iiiears> linksys wireless worth a try? [02:13] <malv> yea, I don't buy anything asus anymore [02:13] <mick> but im actually talking loud into it [02:13] <kemik> dannyu502_: seveas told you the prism54 drivers are already installed (by default) in ubuntu [02:13] <Karhuton> malv, No, but I recommend finding a wlan device with a chipset that has support in vanilla kernel [02:13] <dannyu502_> ok [02:13] <Seveas> kemik, he's blind, I told him 3 times alreday [02:13] <malv> ok, thanks I'll check it out [02:13] <kemik> dannyu502_: "sudo modprobe prism54" [02:13] <dfeed_> malv: one note about belkins: sometimes they change the chipset between versions, leading to all kinds of hilarity. [02:14] <iiiears> "hilarity" [02:14] <pauldaoust> so, has anyone encountered this problem? I did a bit of tweaking to my xorg.conf file (trying out Xinerama), and now when GDM starts, I'm getting this message: "There was an error loading the theme Human" and then goes on to describe how one of the images has a zero width... haven't touched the GDM theme files at all though. The infuriating thing is that, now that my xorg.conf is back to normal, it still does it. [02:14] <Seveas> nice understatement :) [02:14] <mick> walv, what about windows driver wrapper project, forget the name for it, means you can use any wireless card as long as it comes with windows drivers [02:14] <pauldaoust> mick: so the other person *can* hear you; it's just very very quiet? [02:14] <kemik> Seveas: mh, guess he's not highligthing his nickname and browsing that webpage... or blind... :) [02:14] <pauldaoust> mick, walv: that would be linuxant, I b'lieve [02:14] <titaniululz> anyone try freenx? [02:14] <Karhuton> mick, ndiswrapper [02:14] <Seveas> titaniululz, yeah, it rocks [02:14] <mick> yes paul [02:14] <pauldaoust> titaniululz: yes, and it's wonderful [02:15] <pauldaoust> mick: well that blows me away. you're using Hoary, I assume? [02:15] <mick> nidswraper [02:15] <mick> of course. 5.10 [02:15] <mick> only asking here after spending 4 days googling and getting sfa [02:15] <Karhuton> mick, I recommend reading about it first :( I've seen lots of problems with some of the chipsets [02:15] <mick> too late, i spent my taxed 12 bucks on the card [02:15] <titaniululz> how does it compare to tightvnc? im using tight right now and its painfully laggy [02:16] <Karhuton> mick, better check how well is the spesific chipset (and even card model) supported in nids [02:16] <mick> thing that ticks me off..is that it works fine in winxp [02:16] <pauldaoust> mick: stupid question, but when you click on the volume control applet, and choose the OSS device (should be C-Media something-something-something) from the File menu, can you adjust the recording level of the mic there? [02:16] <mick> but i thought with ndis wrappers no need [02:16] <mick> yup [02:16] <mick> maxed out [02:16] <mick> 5v on too [02:16] <pauldaoust> poop [02:16] <kemik> mmh,, freenx looks really promising [02:16] <Karhuton> For example some d-link models refused to work well with the _linux_drivers_from_the_manucafturer_, but ndiswrapper with realtek's driver and some tweaking worked :-) [02:16] <mick> and so is mic boost [02:16] <pauldaoust> that answers another question I was gonna ask ^_^ [02:17] <pauldaoust> you obviously know about condenser mics :) [02:17] <mick> lol paul [02:17] <mick> actually cheapo mic, just for skype [02:17] <pauldaoust> mick: that's a real stumper. do you have a dual-boot setup? [02:17] <FF|Alex> hmm it didnt work [02:17] <FF|Alex> i got the error [02:17] <mick> to be honest paul, its the killer app to move the wife to linux [02:17] <mick> i do [02:17] <mick> works fantastic in xp [02:17] <mick> and thats whats ticking me off! [02:17] <FF|Alex> unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostname() [02:18] <Seveas> FF|Alex, your /etc/hosts is wrong [02:18] <pauldaoust> mick: no kidding. I use it to talk to my friend in Florida; the only problem is that it takes command of my sound card so I can't listen to music or watch videos my friend sends me :) [02:18] <pauldaoust> mick: so you have no mic problems in Windows... hoo boy [02:18] <FF|Alex> how do i correct this? [02:18] <QMario> Everyone is now happy. [02:18] <mick> ah paul...i know where to send you to fix that... [02:18] <malv> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16839121008 i was considering this card [02:18] <robertj> ok, good success with wpa_supplicant but my pre-up line doesn't seem to be working although it works fine from the shell and its just as it is in the guide [02:18] <titaniululz> Seveas, doesn't it require new libc? i was afraid it would break things [02:18] <mick> can i post links here without getting banned? [02:19] <mick> relevant links [02:19] <mick> not spam nonsense [02:19] <pauldaoust> mick: anything else I'd be suggesting would be just that: suggestions... ideas that might spark other ideas [02:19] <kemik> pauldaoust: i think there are workarounds for that [02:19] <pauldaoust> mick: don't know about any restrictions that way... although I'm in text-mode right now (killed my X somehow) [02:19] <pauldaoust> kemik: that's the dmix plugin for Alsa thingy? [02:19] <kemik> pauldaoust: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-26567.html [02:20] <mick> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063&page=1&pp=10 [02:20] <Seveas> titaniululz, packages from hoary-extras are fine [02:20] <FF|Alex> how do i correct the /etc/hosts pointing to the wrong place? [02:20] <cafuego> FF|Alex: edit it using a text editor [02:20] <pauldaoust> kemik: for some reason I can't get it to play well with OSS apps like Skype [02:20] <robertj> I assume the pre-up script runs as root? [02:20] <FF|Alex> i have no idea where it is [02:20] <FF|Alex> kki [02:21] <mick> kemix, going off to look at that for now [02:21] <kemik> pauldaoust: :( [02:21] <Exo0dus> "ubuntu-es [02:21] <Exo0dus> #ubuntu-es [02:21] <titaniululz> Seveas, apt-get install freenx ? [02:22] <FF|Alex> its hard as my linux partition doesnt show up in windows [02:22] <FF|Alex> =/ [02:22] <FF|Alex> damn duel boot [02:22] <Concord_Dawn> dual boot wins. [02:23] <pauldaoust> mick: exactly what chipset do you have? if you go 'lspci', what does it list? [02:23] <FF|Alex> not when windows wont see the linux partition] [02:23] <Concord_Dawn> Look for Ext3 on Windows. [02:23] <Concord_Dawn> in Google. [02:23] <pauldaoust> mick: actually, easier is this: lsmod | grep -i snd [02:23] <Concord_Dawn> I'll search it for you one second [02:23] <kemik> mick: not sure that url will help for mic.problems :/ [02:23] <tweekken> FFIAlex get an ext firewire and/or USB HD format NTFS and mount in windows or linux [02:23] <pauldaoust> sooooooooo [02:23] <mick> kemik it didnt [02:23] <kemik> did dannyu502_ and Allo get anywhere with there WLAN ? [02:23] <FF|Alex> lol [02:24] <dylan_> which is better: aptitude or synaptic? [02:24] <mick> the url i gave is a much more logical step by step of the one kemik gave [02:24] <Concord_Dawn> FF|Alex, check out this: http://www.asiatica.org/~ludo/archive/2003/12/Misc%20Stuff_ext2.html [02:24] <pauldaoust> anyone have problems like mine? totally borking when I try to set up a Xinerama config, and having gdm not be able to use the Human theme? [02:24] <mick> 2 seconds and lsmod [02:24] <salil> can anyone help me with mplayer.... it keeps on freezing.. [02:24] <mcquaid> hello anyone familar with gnomad2 [02:24] <pauldaoust> mcquaid: over here! [02:24] <FF|Alex> thanks [02:24] <dylan_> Concord_Dawn, which is better aptitude or synaptic? [02:24] <FF|Alex> ill give it a try [02:24] <mcquaid> cool [02:24] <pauldaoust> mcquaid: got a Zen Micro myself [02:24] <Concord_Dawn> synaptic imo. [02:25] <dylan_> Concord_Dawn, why [02:25] <kemik> mick: ah yes, your url is better... i just like the background on sound frm my url ;) [02:25] <mcquaid> pauldaoust, i'm getting no jukeboxes found on usb device [02:25] <c0d3ster> should I completely uninstall apache, mysql, etc.. or can i just uninstall php and then reinstall it?? [02:25] <pauldaoust> mcquaid: what sort of Nomad do you have? [02:25] <kemik> dylan_: apt-get is better ;) [02:25] <Concord_Dawn> dylan_, ease of use, and it comes preinstalled. [02:25] <mcquaid> it's the zen micro [02:26] <mick> the url i gave is a much more logical step by step of the one kemik gave [02:26] <dylan_> Concord_Dawn, my friend argues that synaptic does not remove everything even with the Remove Completely function. true or not? [02:26] <Concord_Dawn> c0d3ster, what are you trying to do? Get PHP to work with Apache2? [02:26] <theeil> c0d3ster: what's the problem? [02:26] <Concord_Dawn> dylan_, dunno. [02:26] <pauldaoust> mcquaid: did you grab the packages from the Ubuntu repository? [02:26] <Concord_Dawn> but it seems to work well enough for me. [02:26] <titaniululz> so has anyone successfully set up and used freenx in ubuntu? [02:26] <mcquaid> yes [02:26] <tweekken> FFIAlex: my solution was not to have ANY M$ ONLY ubuntu [02:27] <c0d3ster> yeah, i get this error Error: Extension MySQL was not found compiled and loaded in the PHP interpreter. SQLyog requires this extension to work properly. [02:27] <FF|Alex> lol yeh [02:27] <mcquaid> but i have recompiled the kernel previously, but i'm pretty sure i left everything as default for usb [02:27] <pauldaoust> mcquaid: that didn't work for me either. you need the newest version of libnjb and a couple other things... hang on; I think I might still have the deb packages, and you could just download them off my home computer. [02:27] <Concord_Dawn> c0d3ster, reinstall the MySQL libs and the PHP package. [02:27] <mcquaid> ok cool [02:27] <FF|Alex> ok so which file am i editing to get the /etc/hosts right? [02:27] <c0d3ster> is there a reinstall command or do i have to remove it then install it? [02:28] <Concord_Dawn> apt-get --help [02:28] <mick> anyone got any other hints to get this mic thing going so? [02:28] <gabriel_> hi everyone [02:28] <mick> if not, can someone suggest a card they are having succsess with on recording [02:28] <mick> as in just a mic [02:29] <pauldaoust> mcquaid: http://cheesefish.net/libnjb4_2.1-2_i386.deb [02:29] <hippys> can somebody help me, i need to configure a usb modem to connect to the internet [02:29] <pauldaoust> mcquaid: I'm almost sure there will be some dependency problems when you try to install that package, but I'm not in a graphical environment right now, so I can't check what sort of other packages you need [02:29] <pauldaoust> mick: My little Creative SoundBlaster Live works great [02:30] <mick> paul, thats a pci device,right? [02:30] <mick> no isa cards on this p4 [02:30] <mcquaid> so the one in ubuntu reps gave you the same error initially? [02:30] <mick> just upgraded from a p2 celeron. its like going from horse and cart to a ferarri! [02:30] <pauldaoust> mick: yep. My new motherboard has an atrocious soundcard (some C-Media thingy) that had SOFTWARE-controlled volume, if you can believe it, so I threw a PCI SoundBlaster in there, and it works great. [02:30] <pauldaoust> mick: no doubt :) [02:31] <FF|Alex> ok so which file am i editing to get the /etc/hosts/hosts.allow right? [02:31] <pauldaoust> mcquaid: yes indeed. couldn't recognise the new Zen machines [02:31] <mcquaid> pauldaoust, can't seem to get that file [02:31] <mick> lol the cmedia thingy your refering to is whta i got [02:31] <pauldaoust> mcquaid: hm, what addy did I give you... [02:31] <hippys> hey how can i configure my network card [02:31] <mcquaid> wget is still trying to connect [02:31] <mcquaid> http://cheesefish.net/libnjb4_2.1-2_i386.deb [02:31] <mcquaid> it resolved ok [02:31] <mick> mcquaid did you try deleting your .kde directory? [02:31] <mick> just in case its bummed that up? [02:32] <pauldaoust> mcquaid: no 404 error? [02:32] <mick> sure youll lose local kde settings, but at least its not your data like with windoze [02:32] <mcquaid> mick... not sure what you talking about [02:32] <mcquaid> Resolving cheesefish.net... 24.67.23.66 [02:32] <mcquaid> Connecting to cheesefish.net[24.67.23.66] :80... [02:32] <tweekken> FFIAlex: are you trying to setup tcpd tcpwrappers? [02:32] <mcquaid> thats all i'm getting [02:32] <pauldaoust> mcquaid: hey, that's what I get here too. one sec. [02:32] <mcquaid> k [02:33] <FF|Alex> no trying to resolve an error unable to lookup ubuntu getbyhostname() when executing the sudo startx command [02:33] <mick> ill be back going to check on prices on a creative card [02:33] <robertj> hrmm [02:33] <mick> at least i know how to set those boys up :-) [02:33] <mick> its called stable and trusted ;-) [02:34] <hippys> hey how can i configure my network card [02:34] <c0d3ster> does "apt-get clean" uninstall files? [02:34] <c0d3ster> or is it apt-get remove [02:34] <pauldaoust> mcquaid: craptastic. for some reason I've got a new local IP so my router is trying to redirect to a computer that doesn't exist anymore. weird. one sec. [02:34] <pauldaoust> (I'll probably be dumped offline.) [02:34] <mcquaid> ok [02:34] <mcquaid> can you do a dcc offer here? [02:34] <FF|Alex> tweekken: no trying to resolve an error unable to lookup ubuntu getbyhostname() when executing the sudo startx command [02:35] <RuffianSoldier> im a bit rusty - wahts the command to reconfigure Xserver? [02:35] <onx> irc.laisladelax.com.ar [02:37] <juanej> [02:37] <FF|Alex> any ideas? [02:38] <Unununium> Installed Ubuntu (Hoary) a few days ago... the included Firefox seems rather crashy. It dies (most of the time) when I try to print or "accept certificate permanently" [02:38] <Kyral> Well, there is a bug [02:39] <FF|Alex> hmmm [02:39] <RuffianSoldier> Whats the mouse input bla bla for a HP touch pad on a laptop? [02:39] <REBELinBLUE> hey [02:39] <titaniululz> i followed the nx client guide from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40949 but after finishing nxclient is nowhere to be seen. what the? [02:40] <REBELinBLUE> anyone here used gtkpod? [02:40] <Unununium> I have [02:40] <c0d3ster> how do i install the most current version of php [02:40] <REBELinBLUE> its gtkpod-aac I need to use aac files right? [02:40] <c0d3ster> sudo apt-get install php4 only gives me php version 4 [02:40] <Unununium> Sorry, I wouldn't know [02:40] <REBELinBLUE> damn [02:41] <Unununium> Give it a try; it sounds likely [02:41] <REBELinBLUE> yeh thats what I have but I get an error [02:41] <Unununium> Also **faad (I forget the ** part) [02:41] <REBELinBLUE> "Import of '/home/stephen/Music/Travis/The Invisible Band/01 Sing.m4a' failed: m4a/m4p/m4b not supported without the mp4v2 library. You must compile the gtkpod source together with the mp4v2 library" [02:42] <Unununium> So search Synaptic for faad :^) [02:42] <REBELinBLUE> Just tried that ;) [02:42] <Unununium> Regarding the Firefox crashiness--- does anyone else have this problem? [02:42] <REBELinBLUE> already installed [02:42] <Unununium> Install it harder :^) [02:43] <Unununium> No, sounds like the supplied gtkpod binary wasn't built with this option; wonder why this is a compile-time not run-time choice [02:44] <Unununium> I'm also having difficulty with printing in general. The test pages print fine, but for anything else the raw postscript is printed [02:44] <jeffrae> Hi [02:45] <Concord_Dawn> c0d3ster, you want the PHP 5 package? [02:45] <Concord_Dawn> for Apache2? [02:45] <Concord_Dawn> One sec, I'll grab the repo [02:45] <Concord_Dawn> it's a third party one. [02:46] <jeffrae> Does Has anyone ever Upgraded Ghostscrpt in Ubuntu to 8.15? [02:46] <Concord_Dawn> So I'm not responsible for any damages.... etc etc. [02:46] <cyphase> anyone here in the SF bay area? [02:46] <Blazer_ES> I have tried everything...... [02:46] <Concord_Dawn> c0d3ster, [02:46] <Concord_Dawn> deb http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5 hoary [02:46] <Concord_Dawn> !php5 [02:46] <ubotu> php5 is, like, available from deb http://people.debian.org/~dexter/php5 hoary [02:46] <Concord_Dawn> ah. [02:46] <Blazer_ES> it always freezes at 12% during ubuntu install [02:47] <Concord_Dawn> Seveas, [02:47] <jeffrae> I have a printer that is printing goofy and they reccoment Ghostscript 8.15 [02:48] <Concord_Dawn> herm. [02:48] <pdaoust> mcquaid: you still there? [02:48] <Unununium> Printing works fine from Windows (ipp); the postscript problem is only from Ubuntu [02:48] <pdaoust> I had some ummm troubles [02:48] <Concord_Dawn> Who here can add definitions to ubotu? [02:48] <pdaoust> thing completely froze up; that never happens [02:48] <mcquaid> yes [02:48] <pdaoust> mcquaid: you can try downloading that deb package again [02:48] <mcquaid> k [02:48] <mcquaid> cool getting it now [02:49] <pdaoust> ASSCRAP [02:49] <pdaoust> I still can't get into X [02:50] <Concord_Dawn> pdaoust, have you checked your X log? [02:50] <pdaoust> Concord_Dawn: dang, yer good [02:50] <pdaoust> ^_^ [02:50] <pdaoust> I'll check it [02:51] <Concord_Dawn> pft. [02:51] <Concord_Dawn> I have nfi how to work X. [02:51] <Concord_Dawn> I just know checking logs helps people to help you. [02:52] <pdaoust> Concord_Dawn: yeah, X is pretty formidable [02:53] <mick> log output is pretty good at keeping hr nerds at bay too :-) tip 101 [02:53] <Concord_Dawn> lol [02:53] <mick> did i say nerds..opps meant herds! [02:54] <Concord_Dawn> lol [02:54] <pdaoust> mick: hr, as in, human resources? [02:54] <Concord_Dawn> lol [02:54] <mick> is there such a function???? [02:54] <mick> stop and think logically for a second [02:54] <mick> if your a resource, your an asset right? [02:55] <mick> in troll accounting terms i mean [02:55] <pdaoust> oh boy, you lost me........ [02:55] <mick> if your an asset in accounting terms you appear on the balance sheet... [02:55] <mick> but your salary is actually described under "cost of sales" [02:55] <pepsi> iiiears, you lit me up [02:56] <mick> lol [02:56] <mick> now i dont know about you but i thought most accounting trolls wanted to minimise costs [02:56] <Blazer_ES> ...........DOES....SOME ONE..... HAVE ......A CLUE ....WHY MY UBUNTU INSTALLATION FREEZES AT 12% ....WHEN CREATING EXT3..... [02:56] <pdaoust> Blazer_ES: perhaps a corrupted hard drive? [02:56] <pdaoust> just a thought [02:56] <mick> therefore ....hr is a load of horse rubbish! [02:56] <Unununium> Blazer_ES, have you tried using an option besides EXT3? [02:56] <cyphase> Blazer_ES, what's on the screen when it freezes? [02:57] <TraceGreen> Blazer_ES, you can try to use Ubuntu-liveCD first. [02:57] <mcquaid> pdaoust, ok your right i did get the dep errors, i can upgrade libc6 but not libusb [02:57] <mcquaid> well not in the ubuntu reps anyway [02:57] <Blazer_ES> Yes I did the live cd works great [02:57] <mick> blazer is the filesystem unmounted? [02:57] <mick> check that first [02:57] <pdaoust> mcquaid: I'll look for that libusb then; I'm sure I have it, if I was able to get my Zen Micro working [02:57] <dannyu502_> what is the command in the root terminal to delete something? [02:57] <mick> if yoru buring from cd and you have that partition mounted [02:57] <Unununium> Blazer, try Alt+F2 and see if you can do anything [02:57] <mick> it gives off horrible errors [02:57] <cyphase> Blazer_ES, what's on the screen when it freezes? [02:58] <mick> ah for the old days of reliable windows...sigh!!! [02:58] <jeffrae> does anyone know what repository has ESP GS 8.15 [02:58] <Blazer_ES> It just freezes at 12% saying that its creating the EXT3 File system [02:58] <jeffrae> ? [02:58] <thundrcleeze> Wiping the first (windows) partition on the hard drive won't mess up GRUB that's installed on the mbr, will it? [02:58] <mick> sorry jeff, noidea [02:58] <dannyu502_> seveas, what is the command in the root terminal to delete something? [02:58] <cyphase> Blazer_ES, have you tried another filesystem format? [02:58] <Kyral> rm [02:58] <pdaoust> mcquaid: you upgraded libc6 but not libusb... hm; I can't seem to find a copy of libusb that I downloaded by muself. one sec. [02:58] <thundrcleeze> dannyu502_, rm [02:58] <theeil> thundrcleeze: no [02:58] <dannyu502_> ok [02:58] <thundrcleeze> theeil, okay [02:59] <mcquaid> i haven't upgraded libc6 yet but i see there is an update avail [02:59] <dannyu502_> say i wanted to rm the whole folder ndiswrapper in /etc/ndiswrapper [02:59] <mick> holy bat crap!!!!!!!!!! [02:59] <jeffrae> how do I find the url to the debian repositories? [02:59] <Kyral> do a rm -rf / in a root term to find out why you shouldn't run in a root term :P [02:59] <thundrcleeze> theeil, just making sure. [02:59] <mick> its 2am here [02:59] <dannyu502_> what would i type [02:59] <theeil> thundrcleeze: it's installed to the mbr, before are part windows can access [02:59] <pdaoust> mcquaid: what version of libusb is it asking for? [02:59] <mick> time for me to go horizontal, night boys and girls and thanks for the help [02:59] <mick> paul thanks for the help [02:59] <pdaoust> mick: did you ever get the mic working? [02:59] <dannyu502_> thndercleeze: say i wanted to rm the whole folder ndiswrapper in /etc/ndiswrapper [02:59] <mick> nope [02:59] <IcemanV9> dannyu502_: rm -rf /etc/ndiswrapper [02:59] <mick> and practically giving up now paul [02:59] <Blazer_ES> I just select the harddrive to where I want to install it its a 60gb drive, 58GB ext3 / and 1.5GB SWap [02:59] <pdaoust> aww... well, best of luck to you [03:00] <mcquaid> libnjb4 depends on libusb-0.1-4 (>= 2:0.1.10a); however: Version of libusb-0.1-4 on system is 1:0.1.8-17ubuntu2. [03:00] <cyphase> Blazer_ES, but have you tried another filesystem format? [03:00] <cyphase> like reiserfs? [03:00] <dannyu502_> icemanV9: k thanks [03:00] <mick> im going to solve it the easy way now [03:00] <kaleb> Aih galera Alguem pode me ajudar a configura o xmms [03:00] <mick> throw it out and go for a sb [03:00] <mcquaid> isn't that greater than the version it's looking for? [03:00] <Blazer_ES> The drive works fine here in windows when formated to NTFS... [03:00] <thundrcleeze> theeil, that's good. I've got to do a wipe of windows - the best way of doing this would be what, format c: *.* or fdisk? [03:00] <pdaoust> mick: :) sad that it has to be that way. I blame it on shitty audio chips with good Windows driver to cover their deficiencies :) [03:00] <mcquaid> maybe the ubuntu filenaming is screwing it up? [03:00] <cyphase> Blazer_ES, yes or no? [03:00] <mcquaid> considering forcing it [03:00] <cyphase> have you tried another filesystem format? [03:00] <mick> is a complete pain in the ass [03:01] <Blazer_ES> The drive works fine here in windows when formated to NTFS... [03:01] <Blazer_ES> what do you mean? [03:01] <pdaoust> mcquaid: well, I'm just wondering what version of libusb is asking for when you try to install the copy of libnjb I gave you... it's been a while since I did this, so I forget it all [03:01] <mick> like i said if it means i can ditch windows in for a few extra bucks so beit [03:01] <cyphase> have you chosen something besides ext3? [03:01] <Unununium> Blazer, sorry if you already answered and I missed it, but have you tried using Alt+F2 to get to a command line from the installer program? (Alt+F1 brings you back.) [03:01] <mick> best wishs with getting your xorg sorted paul [03:01] <mick> and thanks to eveyrone for their help [03:01] <pdaoust> mick: thanks :) [03:01] <mcquaid> ya ok, well the version i listed is what its asking for [03:01] <Blazer_ES> ok I will try that [03:02] <cyphase> which one? [03:02] <pdaoust> mcquaid: sorry, I musta missed it (I'm on an 80x25 term) [03:02] <mcquaid> libnjb4 depends on libusb-0.1-4 (>= 2:0.1.10a); however: Version of libusb-0.1-4 on system is 1:0.1.8-17ubuntu2. [03:02] <Blazer_ES> how can I choose something else than ext3? [03:02] <cyphase> there should be a menu [03:02] <Unununium> "use as" [03:02] <Blazer_ES> ah [03:02] <Blazer_ES> k [03:03] <Blazer_ES> is ext3 necessary? [03:03] <Unununium> I use ReiserFS and things haven't broken entirely just yet [03:03] <pdaoust> mcquaid: I only have libusb 1:0.1.8-17 on my machine, so I musta forced it :) [03:03] <cyphase> Blazer_ES, no [03:03] <cyphase> linux supports a looooooot of filesystems [03:03] <Unununium> How do I install oooqstart-gnome? The openoffice.org package description references it, but it's not in any Ubuntu package repository. [03:03] <din> hi zerboxx [03:03] <zerboxx> din: Heya din [03:03] <mcquaid> ok [03:04] <Blazer_ES> ill try to do that now, if it freezes ill try and hit alt+f2 and alt+f1 [03:04] <Blazer_ES> cya [03:04] <Unununium> Blazer: you don't need to wait :^) [03:04] <mcquaid> i usually avoid upgrading libc6, i read that can screw up things, but can't recall [03:04] <titaniululz> i'm trying to get nxserver working. i have it installed but i can't set my password, it says --passwd is not inplemented yet. help? :( [03:04] <mcquaid> but upgrading now anyways [03:04] <smiroldo> hi... i have a problem that apt-get install -f cannot fix too... [03:04] <riffic> anyone package amarok 1.3 for breezy yet ? [03:04] <Unununium> mcquaid: absolutely everything uses libc, so it's kind of difficult to upgrade; however, it should be safe to have multiple versions [03:04] <pdaoust> mcquaid: not sure. I think I upgraded libc6 when it asked me to [03:05] <Unununium> Again, where do I go for packages not in the Ubuntu repositories? [03:05] <smiroldo> The following packages have unmet dependencies: [03:05] <smiroldo> kdelibs: Depends: kdelibs-data (>= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.3) but 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.2 is to be installed [03:06] <mcquaid> Unununium, have you added the backports reps? [03:07] <Unununium> mcquaid: apparently not :^) What's the apt line? [03:07] <mcquaid> damn, i hate generating all these locales, is there any way to avoid that for non english [03:07] <mcquaid> Unununium, one sec [03:07] <Concord_Dawn> Unununium, have you gotten multiverse, universe, and hoary-extras? [03:07] <Unununium> jeffrae: you will want this also [03:07] <Unununium> Concord_Dawn: yes [03:07] <Unununium> Wait, not hoary-extras [03:07] <Concord_Dawn> :) [03:07] <Concord_Dawn> !extras [03:07] <ubotu> [extras] For extra repositories, check out http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [03:08] <Concord_Dawn> check it out [03:08] <mcquaid> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiv [03:08] <mcquaid> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports-staging main univers [03:08] <mcquaid> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multivers [03:08] <mcquaid> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras-staging main universe m [03:08] <mcquaid> oops one sec [03:08] <Unununium> That doesn't look right [03:08] <Concord_Dawn> eww [03:08] <Concord_Dawn> Unununium, hoary extras is deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [03:08] <Unununium> Danke [03:08] <titaniululz> anyone using freenx know how to make it connect to the current session instead of spawning a new one? [03:08] <Concord_Dawn> Unununium, you have security enabled too I'm sure. [03:09] <Seveas> mcquaid, NEVER paste in here [03:09] <pdaoust> titaniululz: you mean it doesn't give you the option of reconnecting to an old session? [03:09] <mcquaid> sorry [03:09] <Unununium> paste : heh, I just pasted your paste [03:09] <juanej> rofl [03:09] <Concord_Dawn> lol [03:09] <mcquaid> just pm'd ya them [03:09] <Concord_Dawn> You want me to paste my sources.list? [03:09] <titaniululz> pdaoust, i just installed freenx. i don't so much want to connect to an old nx session as connect to the currently running display on the computer. ie i want to see the same thing i see when i connect using VNC. is that possible? [03:09] <Unununium> Concord_Dawn: thanks; let me get the package list (which takes forever on 28.8) [03:10] <Concord_Dawn> ouch [03:10] <hybrid_goth> Unununium: ever use Unununium? [03:10] <Quest-Master> Unununium looks promising [03:10] <Unununium> The OS? No, but I believe I had the name first. [03:10] <hybrid_goth> lol [03:10] <hybrid_goth> i wanna try it [03:10] <Unununium> Interestingly enough, my real-life last name is Goth [03:10] <Quest-Master> I heard it's simply a command prompt atm [03:10] <AdmiralSenn> okay, a 'what the hell' moment [03:11] <hybrid_goth> Unununium: sweet! [03:11] <pdaoust> titaniululz: ah, I gotcha. I don't think it is, because NX is more geared towards creating and closing entire X sessions, whereas VNC is geared towards shunting large amounts of pixels over a network connection, with a focus on remote desktop [03:11] <mcquaid> Unununium, offering ya my list [03:11] <cafuego> Unununium: Did your family get royalties from 'The Sims' ? [03:11] <AdmiralSenn> just started ubuntu and two seconds later it kicked me into a text-only mode [03:11] <hybrid_goth> Unununium: like black? j/p [03:11] <AdmiralSenn> gdm was still running, though [03:11] <cafuego> AdmiralSenn: That means there's a problem with the X configuration. [03:11] <mcquaid> whats force again with dpkg [03:11] <mcquaid> tried -f [03:11] <Unununium> hybrid: not particularly; it's just the family name [03:11] <pdaoust> titaniululz: it might be tied to the way X works, with the concept of screens and displays, but I could be wrong. [03:11] <cafuego> AdmiralSenn: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log [03:11] <AdmiralSenn> cafuego: yay! [03:11] <pdaoust> mcquaid: --force-all [03:11] <mcquaid> thx [03:11] <titaniululz> pdaoust, ah, that's cool then. i guess it doesn't really matter since this machine is headless anyways [03:12] <titaniululz> pdaoust, the way i'm using it right now is having it run headless and set to auto login on boot, so i can connect with vnc and such. if i'm going to use nx instead, can i set it to not auto login? [03:12] <c0d3ster> how do I completely remove PHP from my system so I can reinstall it? [03:12] <Concord_Dawn> c0d3ster, remove the packages. [03:12] <pdaoust> titaniululz: ahhhhh I see. yep, that's exactly what you would do. [03:12] <c0d3ster> apt-get remove? [03:12] <Concord_Dawn> and do a Completely remove. [03:12] <AdmiralSenn> hmm [03:12] <Concord_Dawn> no [03:12] <Concord_Dawn> do it from Synaptic. [03:12] <AdmiralSenn> cafuego: all it says is something about font rendering at the end [03:12] <Concord_Dawn> and check Remove Completely. [03:13] <AdmiralSenn> as far as warnings and stuff [03:13] <titaniululz> pdaoust, can i connect with ssh without logging in / connecting with nx straight from bootup? and will apache and such be running (i have it installed) [03:13] <pdaoust> titaniululz: sshd will be running, as will be apache, MySQL, your FTP server, samba, etc. [03:14] <titaniululz> ok, cool. i'm going to try turning off automatic login and rebooting. thanks :) [03:14] <Concord_Dawn> is there a way to make it so that a user can't cd to a directory above their home directory? [03:14] <pdaoust> titaniululz: that's the way I set up an old music server. no login screen at all, just a computer that sat there indefinitely waiting for remote connections. (all text-based too; no NX on that one.) [03:14] <hybrid_goth> Unununium: yea i was just playing [03:14] <Unununium> Concord_Dawn: somehow give them a chroot'ed shell? That would be problematic [03:14] <AdmiralSenn> cafuego: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1310 [03:14] <hybrid_goth> Quest-Master: ya see how Unununium does their time? [03:15] <Concord_Dawn> Unununium, I am newb, please explain? [03:15] <Concord_Dawn> nevermind [03:15] <mcquaid> pdaoust, ok i forced it but synaptic lists it as broken [03:15] <Quest-Master> hybrid_goth: Yeah.. it's.. interesting.. :P [03:15] <titaniululz> pdaoust, cool :) back in a minute if all goes well [03:15] <hybrid_goth> Quest-Master: lol yea [03:15] <hybrid_goth> Quest-Master: did you say it is only CLI? [03:15] <Quest-Master> hybrid_goth: I believe it is currently [03:15] <Concord_Dawn> herm.... [03:16] <hybrid_goth> Quest-Master: that weird b/c they talk about master GUI sepremecy [03:16] <Quest-Master> :o [03:16] <Unununium> If a process is chroot'ed, it sees something other than / as its /. So how does a chrooted bash do a directory listing if there's no /bin anymore? [03:16] <Concord_Dawn> ah. [03:16] <benkong2> how can I turn up my cpu speed freq monitor shows its only running at 800mhz it's a amd64 3200+? [03:16] <Concord_Dawn> so how would I set it up so that EVERYTHING got chroot'd? [03:16] <Unununium> Impossible [03:16] <oxez> hi I'm considering moving back to linux again, and I'll try something else than Gentoo. Is Xorg currently available as a package for ubuntu? I heard it wasn't for Debian [03:16] <AdmiralSenn> ack [03:16] <Concord_Dawn> oxez, it's installed by default with Ubuntu [03:16] <Concord_Dawn> as long as you don't pick a server install. [03:17] <AdmiralSenn> Anyone who can tell me if anything's wrong with my Xorg log http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1310 [03:17] <Seveas> oxez, Ubuntu uses X.org by default -- for breezy even X.org 7 will be shipped [03:17] <pdaoust> mcquaid: hold on; I think it might be broken here too [03:17] <mcquaid> ok [03:17] <oxez> Concord_Dawn: okay, and do you know if there are enough support for my radeon 9800 (gfx card) and logitech mx510 (mouse)? [03:17] <AdmiralSenn> in any case, /msg me [03:17] <Concord_Dawn> yes [03:17] <Unununium> Concord_Dawn, why do you care? chroot can actually introduce security holes if you're not careful, because most processes treat "/" as a trusted security domain (i.e. su trusts /etc/passwd) [03:17] <Concord_Dawn> I'm almost 100% sure there is [03:17] <Chaotic_Reality> what's the command to make a tar file? [03:17] <Chaotic_Reality> tar -c <directory> ? [03:17] <Unununium> tar [03:17] <hybrid_goth> Seveas: yea i fell out when i got the mail list saying X was fixed [03:17] <black13> someone had mentiond that there is wiki article about building or modifying the ubuntu live cd? [03:18] <reka> AdmiralSenn: if it helps, i get the same font warnings...and i can boot into X fine [03:18] <Unununium> Welcome back [03:18] <Seveas> tar cf filename.tar dirname [03:18] <reka> AdmiralSenn: i suggest running the xorg reconfigure command [03:18] <Unununium> You might want to gzip or bzip2 as well [03:18] <Seveas> tar jcf :) [03:18] <Concord_Dawn> Unununium, I want to run it that way so that I can have my IRCd, services, stats, etc. and everything to run a server all running under a home directory and I want to give shell access to one other person? [03:18] <Blazer_ES> With the other File system that ResFS it goes up to 33% and then the screen is just Blue [03:18] <Unununium> (use -z or -j options to tar to do this automatically) [03:18] <Concord_Dawn> would it work that way? [03:19] <pdaoust> I was gone; did I miss anything? [03:19] <Chaotic_Reality> thanks Unununium and Seveas [03:19] <reka> pdaoust: we all got free donuts [03:19] <pdaoust> mcquaid: did you say anything to me while I was gone [03:19] <pdaoust> reka [03:19] <pdaoust> dangit! [03:19] <pdaoust> I should never have left. [03:19] <deviant> hello. i have a question. anyone here ever intalled looking glass on ubuntu? [03:20] <reka> *off [03:20] <Blazer_ES> With the other File system that ResFS it goes up to 33% and then the screen is just Blue [03:20] <ethan_> humm [03:20] <Unununium> Alt+F2 do anything? [03:20] <Blazer_ES> I think the hdd is broken [03:20] <Blazer_ES> yes it did [03:20] <ethan_> hello.. [03:20] <Unununium> How about CapsLock, NumLock, ScrollLock? Do they light any LEDs on your keyboard? [03:20] <Blazer_ES> brought me to activate a console [03:20] <Unununium> Good, that's the idea. Now from that console you can investigate. [03:20] <mcquaid> pdaoust, just that the pkg is listed as broken [03:21] <ethan_> How long is it supposed to take when installing when it is unpacking packages? [03:21] <Blazer_ES> entering which commands [03:21] <Concord_Dawn> ethan_, depends on what packages you're getting. [03:21] <Unununium> Oh, you need to be pretty wizardly with the command line to be able to do anything useful [03:21] <hybrid_goth> Quest-Master: hmm they moved Unununium to linux [03:21] <Concord_Dawn> size is a factor. [03:21] <reka> ethan_: you mean the scrolling text part? a while [03:21] <ethan_> Concord_Dawn just whats on the install cd [03:21] <pdaoust> mcquaid: well, somehow I've managed to SCREW UP even my apt repository, so I can't check anymore. But if I'm not mistaken, I think it's broken on my system too. give it a shot and see if it works for you. [03:21] <ethan_> reka alright how long? [03:21] <Quest-Master> hybrid_goth: Oh, really.. [03:21] <Concord_Dawn> ethan_, install took me an hour with formatting. [03:22] <Unununium> This is weird; people are talking about me! [03:22] <Concord_Dawn> lol [03:22] <reka> ethan_: ~5-8 mins for me [03:22] <ethan_> Concord_Dawn Ok it took me like 4 hours lol... [03:22] <pdaoust> mcquaid: ('broken' is a relative term with computers anyway. they're kinda broken when you buy them ^_^) [03:22] <titaniululz> pdaoust, it works perfectly :) nx runs AMAZINGLY well [03:22] <hybrid_goth> Quest-Master: yup it is in the progress page or w/e [03:22] <pdaoust> titaniululz: you got it working that quick? [03:22] <pdaoust> wow [03:22] <ethan_> reka Yea that part took me about 3 hours with 500 mhz and 320 megs of ram [03:22] <pdaoust> I'm impressed [03:22] <ethan_> reka I don't know whats wrong.. [03:22] <dannyu502_> Seveas, reka, how do I find out what kernel-version I am running (2.6.6 or 2.4.26) [03:22] <Concord_Dawn> ethan_, I'm running 1.3 Ghz and 256mb ram. [03:22] <pdaoust> titaniululz: wait... did you already have a working FreeNX installation? [03:22] <mcquaid> ok well, i was going to install gnomad2 anyways to see if it works, but it wants to force the removal of libnjb [03:22] <reka> dannyu502_: uname -r [03:22] <titaniululz> pdaoust, hehe i've only been using linux for 3 days. dumb luck i guess [03:22] <Unununium> dannyu502: uname [03:23] <pdaoust> titaniululz: no kidding. gee whiz, it took me ages to set up FreeNX [03:23] <titaniululz> pdaoust, no i just dicked around with apt-get and synaptic a few times and then it worked [03:23] <ethan_> reka I think somethings wrong with mine [03:23] <TheGnome> hmmm [03:23] <pdaoust> titaniululz: stunning [03:23] <ethan_> because I installed it yesterday and nothing worked [03:23] <TheGnome> ethan_, it didnt really take 4 hours did it? [03:23] <ethan_> TheGnome it did... = < [03:23] <reka> ethan_: just to confirm...the part where white text scrolls on a black b/g.....saying unpacking this package etc. [03:23] <ethan_> reka yes.. [03:24] <reka> ethan_: well, i'm on a p4, but 4 hrs seems like a long while [03:24] <Blazer_ES> ahh ditch it, thanks anyway bye [03:24] <TheGnome> my whole install is done in less than twenty......and when i installed on a P1 wirh 128 megs ram ....it only took like an hour [03:24] <titaniululz> pdaoust, lord only knows how many things i broke in doing so :O [03:24] <xbaez> Hello all! [03:24] <pdaoust> titaniuluz: heh, no doubt. but if it works great, that's fine [03:24] <reka> ethan_: going by what TheGnome said, something's wrong then [03:25] <TheGnome> ethan_, how does it run.....now? [03:25] <pdaoust> BLOODY HELL! this is almost as bad as Windows; everything is just... failing! I gotta reboot [03:25] <Quest-Master> lmao. [03:25] <TheGnome> i still have ubuntu on that p1 ....... im just using icewm [03:25] <zovirl> what's ubuntu equivilant of "service httpd restart"? Is it something easier than /etc/init.d/apache2 restart? [03:25] <ethan1> I'm sorry my thing messed up [03:25] <TheGnome> and it works great [03:25] <Concord_Dawn> zovirl, no. [03:25] <titaniululz> i'm using xchat right now -- is there a way to get it to automatically connect to servers and channels? (if yes ill look up the docs on howto) [03:26] <zovirl> concord_dawn ok thanks [03:26] <Concord_Dawn> yes. [03:26] <ethan1> ok anyways... [03:26] <thundrcleeze> is there a way to back up grub or boot into ubuntu if grub is deleted from the mbr? [03:26] <ethan1> so is my computer totally messed up? [03:26] <Concord_Dawn> thundrcleeze, if you have a Ubuntu boot disk [03:26] <reka> titaniululz: yes. xchat > server list [03:26] <Concord_Dawn> ethan1, what's wrong? [03:26] <TheGnome> ethan1, how long does an xp install take [03:26] <ethan1> I'm using a mac [03:26] <reka> titaniululz: then edit the server [03:26] <titaniululz> reka, oh jeez i see now. thanks [03:26] <ethan1> ibook [03:26] <dannyu502_> Seveas, reka, how do I know if my /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686 file has a link to the kernel source? [03:27] <TheGnome> ethan1, ahh........ [03:27] <Concord_Dawn> TheGnome, comparable time to Ubuntu full install. [03:27] <thundrcleeze> Concord_Dawn, I assume there's a command that you use to make one from a floppy, and you're not talking about the livecd. [03:27] <Concord_Dawn> indeed. [03:27] <Concord_Dawn> !bootdisk [03:27] <ubotu> Concord_Dawn: I don't know, could you explain it? [03:27] <Concord_Dawn> bah. [03:27] <Concord_Dawn> !boot [03:27] <ubotu> I don't know, Concord_Dawn [03:27] <pgw> Is there any support for sata on ati xpress 200? I'm trying to install ubuntu to a sata-only pc, but I'm not getting very far... [03:27] <jeffrae> hi [03:27] <jeffrae> So [03:27] <ethan1> TheGnome The last time I installed it, it was so slow [03:28] <TheGnome> pgw, i have a sata drive [03:28] <jeffrae> Does anyone know the repositories for debian testing? [03:28] <ethan1> The mouse would lag horribly [03:28] <dannyu502_> Seveas, reka, how do I know if my /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686 file has a link to the kernel source? [03:28] <TheGnome> ethan1, ubuntu works best on intel based systems [03:28] <ethan1> and I wasn't able to get access to things like my hard drive and links to my /home and things like that were broken [03:28] <ethan1> TheGnome But it shouldn't be this bad.. [03:28] <pgw> TheGnome: what chipset do you have? [03:28] <reka> dannyu502_: making links isn't 1 of my strong points, sorry. [03:29] <ethan1> ppc [03:29] <TheGnome> pgw, intel [03:29] <dannyu502_> anyone, how do I know if my /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686 file has a link to the kernel source? [03:29] <dannyu502_> reka, ok thanks [03:29] <Unununium> I installed Ubuntu replacing plain Debian when I had a gigantic mess of unsatisfiable dependencies [03:29] <jeffrae> ppc? Mac or (i/p)Series [03:29] <ethan1> people with 300 mhz powerbooks with 128 megs of ram say they installed it easily in about 30-40 minutes [03:29] <ethan1> Not 4-6 hours... [03:29] <Concord_Dawn> ethan1, I installed in an hour on a Dell D600. [03:30] <reka> Unununium: how'd you install? overwriting? or by *cough* changing repos? [03:30] <D-N-A> i installed it about 30 min on my pc [03:30] <reka> *overwriting by install from CD [03:30] <pgw> TheGnome: I'm on Ati Xpress / AMD64. I'm not sure there even is a module for that... [03:30] <ethan1> yea its taking me 4-6 hours [03:30] <Unununium> reka: backed up /home, reformatted, and installed [03:30] <TheGnome> pgw, yeah its cuz its amd [03:30] <deviant> has anyone ever used looking glass on ubuntu? [03:31] <Unununium> On another computer I installed it to a blank hard disk so I could check it out [03:31] <ethan1> when i installed it yesterday, it took that long and then once everything was done the next day, It ran soo slow [03:31] <TheGnome> pgw, alot of people with amd64 are having problems [03:31] <ethan1> at first no application would open [03:31] <ethan1> and the computer would not shut down [03:31] <ethan1> unless i force shut down [03:31] <reka> Unununium: and you're getting the dependency issues when using your apt interface? [03:31] <ethan1> then firefox worked although taking about 30 seconds to open [03:31] <TheGnome> ethan1, time to try a different distro [03:31] <titaniululz> can anyone recommend a good ftp server for ubuntu that is reasonably easy to set up? i am new to linux and i tried wu-ftpd earlier and i was lost (tried reading the manpages -- i felt my brain leaking out my ears) [03:32] <flodine> a guys im looking for a program that counts from 5 down to 1 before a desktop snapshot? [03:32] <IcemanV9> ethan1: gosh, something ain't right .. i would research the forums on pcc or ibook [03:32] <ethan1> the mouse would be horibly unreactive [03:32] <Unununium> reka: I got them from dselect [03:32] <Unununium> And thought, screw this, I have ubuntu and it is working [03:32] <ethan1> IcemanV9 Yea thats what i have been doing and I've also posted topics and nobody will respond to them after a day or so.. [03:32] <Unununium> I needed to upgrade old Debian to get proper support for my new printer [03:32] <flodine> anyone [03:32] <pgw> can anyone help with sata on AMD64? [03:33] <ethan1> so when your installing the packages.. Is the text supposed to go really fast? [03:33] <IcemanV9> ethan1: you're right about earlier that others have better success with their ibook .. [03:33] <TheGnome> pgw, does it not detect the disk at install? [03:33] <ethan1> err unpacking the packages [03:33] <halley> flodine, gimp's "acquire" feature has a time delay [03:33] <pgw> yes, that's what happens [03:33] <Unununium> ethan1: your computer is too fast to use Ubuntu. Upgrade to a nice 366MHz like I'm using. [03:33] <IcemanV9> ethan1: too bad, i don't have ibook or mac to test it :/ [03:33] <Unununium> Nothing goes too fast for me [03:33] <ethan1> Unununium lol.. [03:33] <reka> ethan1: quite fast for me...you should be able to read the package right before it scrolls off [03:34] <ethan1> reka what do you mean? [03:34] <cralost> HUla [03:34] <Kyral> Anyone know how to install the 2.6.10-5 kernel headers in Breezy? [03:34] <Unununium> ethan1: are you in the Linux text console? [03:34] <reka> ethan1: fast enough to just read a package name if you focus on it [03:34] <Unununium> If so, use ScrollLock. It does what you'd expect it to do. :^) [03:34] <IcemanV9> Kyral: use apt-get install [03:34] <ethan1> Unununium huh? [03:34] <ethan1> reka Oh well mine just stays at each one for a minute or two [03:35] <ethan1> for some its longer like open office or firefox [03:35] <Kyral> IcemanV9, its installing the 2.6.12 Headers [03:35] <Unununium> ScrollLock or Ctrl+S should do XOFF or similar to pause the text output [03:35] <reka> Unununium: so *that's* what that button is for. :) [03:35] <Kyral> I'm keeping my kernel from Hoary [03:35] <Unununium> Yes, Linux found a use [03:35] <IcemanV9> Kyral: ah. you're right. just reread your message. [03:35] <Unununium> And its LED is useful to dodge Van Eck phreaking via morse code [03:35] <ethan1> i do not understand why its going so slow.. [03:36] <ethan1> this is crazy... = < [03:36] <reka> lol [03:36] <ethan1> lol [03:36] <jeffrae> I use scrolllock on the iSeries... :) [03:36] <Kyral> IcemanV9, I may enable the Hoary Repos for a sec and grab the headers from there [03:36] <ethan1> so my computers just messed up? [03:37] <IcemanV9> Kyral: i have seen this suggestion before .. yeah, that's the idea [03:37] <TheGnome> pgw, did you download the 64 bit version [03:37] <reiki> Woot! ... I did it. only took flashing the bios 3 times to get up to a revision that would see this new 160gb drive! :) The old Asus CUSL2C keeps on rollin! :) [03:37] <halley> Any newbie primer on how to select and install new packages? (apt-get install emacs) claims that "emacs" isn't the right name for what I want. [03:37] <pgw> TheGnome: yep, I'm using the AMD64 install iso [03:37] <Unununium> You can also use an old hard disk or a floppy to boot, then have Linux mount the big drive as root [03:37] <darkheart> halley Try apt-cache search emacs [03:37] <Unununium> It shouldn't need the BIOS's help [03:38] <ethan1> so seriously is there nothing i can do? [03:38] <ethan1> is it my hard drive? [03:38] <ethan1> when I was setting up the partitions. [03:38] <reiki> ok... this is a new install on a machine that actually HAS speakers.... so how do I test sound? I understand sound is a common problem [03:38] <reiki> :) [03:38] <ethan1> it would freeze on the root partition [03:38] <halley> darkheart, okay, so I see 'emacs21'... (apt-get install emacs21) ? [03:38] <ethan1> for about 20 minutes at 100% [03:38] <darkheart> halley Yep. [03:38] <reka> halley: apt-cache show <package> to see the info [03:38] <TheGnome> pgw, did other distros work? [03:39] <pgw> haven't tried any others yet... [03:39] <reka> halley: you can also use synaptic if you're GUI inclined [03:39] <ethan1> humm... [03:39] <ethan1> do you think it sjust ubuntu TheGnome? [03:39] <Unununium> Synaptic sucks less than dselect [03:39] <ethan1> would another actually work or is my computer just crazy TheGnome? [03:39] <halley> reka, I will probably use Synaptic after I know what it's accomplishing the hard way. [03:39] <TheGnome> ethan1, i have no idea [03:39] <TheGnome> ethan1, i dont know anything about mac [03:40] <ethan1> TheGnome Its pretty much the same... [03:40] <kampfzerstorer> I'm trying to edit my xorg.conf file, can't seem to edit it from a root consol or anything. How do I edit it? [03:40] <IcemanV9> kampfzerstorer: gedit [03:40] <ethan1> does anybody like gentoo? [03:40] <halley> How about finding 'GIMLET' and 'iiimf' for Japanese input methods? [03:40] <TheGnome> kampfzerstorer, sudo nano /etc/pathToFileIForget [03:40] <ethan1> i'm just confused about what to do... [03:41] <reka> kampfzerstorer: use a normal terminal, then 'sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf' [03:41] <TheGnome> ethan1, gentoo is supposed to be fast [03:41] <Kyral> anyone have a direct .deb download of the headers for 2.6.10-5? [03:41] <ethan1> with my computer taking 60000 hours to install compared to 30.. I think somethings wrong with my computer... [03:41] <halley> darkheart, reka, thanks; emacs works now. [03:41] <darkheart> halley =) [03:41] <halley> darkheart, how about finding 'GIMLET' and 'iiimf' for Japanese input methods? [03:41] <titaniululz> can anyone recommend a good ftp server for ubuntu that is reasonably easy to set up? [03:42] <darkheart> halley You want to install Japanese? [03:42] <flodine> halley whats the command for the program to work in a terminal [03:42] <reka> Kyral: apt-cache search linux-headers-2.6.10-5 [03:42] <ethan1> so the packages have been unpacking for about 1 hour and a half now..... [03:42] <darkheart> halley Japanese input method? [03:42] <Unununium> xterm [03:42] <ethan1> probably about 2% done.. [03:42] <halley> flodine: sleep 5 && import ... [03:42] <Kyral> reka it ain't working :P [03:42] <jeffrae> anyone have gs-esp 8.15 running? [03:42] <Unununium> although there are better [03:42] <halley> darkheart, yeah, to type in Japanese, etc. [03:43] <ethan1> m [03:43] <reka> Kyral: weird, it's in main [03:43] <TheGnome> ethan1, if is slow slow why do you keep installing? [03:43] <ethan1> because i want linux!!!!!!!!!!!1 [03:43] <darkheart> halley There is a really convenient way. This link will explain http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27811.html [03:43] <reka> Kyral: you running warty? [03:43] <Kyral> Breezy [03:43] <kampfzerstorer> IcemanV9, TheGome, reka: tried all this, I get (gedit:9203) : GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. [03:43] <dannyu502_> reka, Why can I not delete anything unless I am using the root terminal? [03:44] <ethan1> i heard something about it cutting your processor speed and cutting everything in half during install [03:44] <reiki> ok... sounds don't seem to be working. [03:44] <ethan1> untill you change it.. [03:44] <reka> dannyu502_: you don't have privilege to delete anything outside of /home/<username> and /tmp [03:44] <ethan1> but i don tknow [03:44] <reiki> !sound [03:44] <ubotu> I heard sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063, or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/ [03:44] <ethan1> i dont knoww!!!! [03:44] <dannyu502_> reka, Why not? can I change that? [03:44] <TheGnome> ethan1, if it didnt work the first two times....its not this time [03:44] <ethan1> I've been downloading all day yesterday and installing all night and then installing all day today and still installing and it doesn't work!!! [03:45] <reka> dannyu502_: imho, it's safer to just use sudo rm if you need to. [03:45] <ethan1> lol.. [03:45] <TheGnome> ethan1, try a lighter distro [03:45] <dannyu502_> reka, ok.... lol its jsut getting to b a pain in the but [03:45] <ethan1> well I guess my computers dea then. [03:45] <ethan1> dead* [03:45] <Unununium> Try borrowing another hard disk? [03:45] <reka> dannyu502_: maybe you should keep all your stuff in /home/<username>/* then :P [03:45] <ethan1> i also heard my disk CLICKING really loud while using ubuntu at times [03:45] <Unununium> Or switch to tomsrtbt :^) [03:46] <dannyu502_> reka, hahahah [03:46] <Unununium> ethan1: disk trouble. Fear. Get another disk. [03:46] <ethan1> i cant.. [03:46] <Unununium> Make a backup while you still can. Do nothing else until then. [03:46] <reka> ethan1: your HDD? something is seriously wrong then [03:46] <halley> darkheart, whee. That mentions scim a lot, not gimlet, but will try it out. [03:46] <TheGnome> ethan1, sounds like your system is shot.....clicking of the hardrive means its about to fail.... [03:46] <deviant> hmm. could someone pls tell me where the j2sdk is installed. i`m looking for the "jre" folder, but i can`t find it anywhere! [03:46] <darkheart> halley It's really nice. I type in Japanese as well and it is perfect. [03:46] <Unununium> Want to demonstrate for us? :^) [03:47] <reka> dannyu502_: seriously, what are you deleting? you rarely need to go outside those limits [03:47] <TheGnome> deviant, /usr/lib [03:47] <zovirl> is it normal to have both an OSS and alsa mixer listed in the device menu of volume? [03:47] <zovirl> I only have one sound card (I thought) [03:47] <ethan1> TheGnome alright.. and also during partitioning, when writing and creating the root disk, every time no matter if i create it myself or let it do it it freezes at 100% for 20 minutes and i don't see it create the swap either.. [03:47] <ethan1> it also freezes on the aqua screen a lot during installation [03:47] <Unununium> OSS and ALSA more-or-less provide the same service. Prefer ALSA since OSS is just emulation [03:47] <halley> darkheart, hrm, 'cannot find package uim' - stock ubuntu apt conf [03:47] <TheGnome> ethan1, your hard disk is junk [03:48] <darkheart> halley One sec. [03:48] <ethan1> k [03:48] <reka> ethan1: back up while you can [03:48] <TheGnome> ethan1, there not expensive...really you could get one fore about $40 [03:48] <zovirl> unununium thanks [03:48] <ethan1> I have nothing to back up [03:48] <deviant> TheGnome: aha. ok, 10x :) [03:48] <ethan1> and nothing to back up to either... [03:48] <haja> I got a problem using Eterm.... I am trying to get it transparent on my desktop but it keeps loading with a background... can anyone help? [03:48] <ethan1> TheGnome I know but its also realy hard getting into iBooks [03:49] <ethan1> and it has to be one thats gunna work with my iBook... [03:49] <reiki> can someone please respond using my name here so [03:49] <darkheart> halley Join #flood [03:49] <ethan1> reiki [03:49] <TheGnome> ethan1, oh yeah its a laptop......hardrives are a little more [03:49] <reiki> I so I can hear if I get audible alert [03:49] <AdmiralSenn> so.. still looking for someone to tell me why ubuntu sometimes kicks me into a text-only mode [03:49] <reiki> thanks! [03:49] <reiki> :) [03:49] <AdmiralSenn> cafuego said it had something to do with xorg [03:49] <AdmiralSenn> Anyone who can tell me if anything's wrong with my Xorg log http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1310 [03:49] <MrPockets> is it healthy, that i've begun to live my life around what Wonda the fish says :-X ?? [03:49] <Unununium> That was a good movie [03:49] <kampfzerstorer> tried all this, I get (gedit:9203) : GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. [03:49] <ethan1> TheGnome And I'm just a KID so i dont really have any... constant flow of money... [03:49] <reiki> ok so I got sound working [03:49] <ethan1> yea... [03:49] <reka> reiki: pc speaker or wav file? [03:49] <halley> darkheart, where do those go? total apt novice here. [03:50] <darkheart> halley That's my /etc/apt/sources.list [03:50] <AdmiralSenn> also, I can't get the nvidia driver run package to work [03:50] <TheGnome> ethan1, how old are you? [03:50] <reiki> actually... sounds like it's coming from my pc speaker [03:50] <ethan1> TheGnome why? [03:50] <ethan1> lol.. [03:50] <halley> darkheart, so is there a "where did I get pkg X from?" query? [03:50] <reka> kampfzerstorer: are you running a root terminal? [03:50] <etker> anyone awake ? [03:50] <Unununium> I once patched my kernel to provide an OSS device for my PC speaker. I then played the worst music I could find so that I wouldn't notice the drop in quality. :^) [03:50] <TheGnome> ethan1, well you said kid?......im just wondering i think its cool when young people get into linux [03:50] <TheGnome> im only 21 [03:50] <kampfzerstorer> reka: Yes I am [03:50] <haja> I got a problem using Eterm.... I am trying to get it transparent on my desktop but it keeps loading with a background... can anyone help? [03:50] <darkheart> halley Not that I know of, but there may be. [03:50] <reka> kampfzerstorer: that's why [03:51] <ethan1> TheGnome cool [03:51] <othernoob> does mplayer play divx6? [03:51] <reiki> reka: wav files working through sound card speakers [03:51] <ethan1> TheGnome I'm 14 = -D [03:51] <ethan1> but this is annoying me [03:51] <reiki> so I think that part's ok for now [03:51] <reka> reiki: using xchat? [03:51] <reiki> using ChatZilla [03:51] <McQuaid> ok i gave up for now in hoary and just installed it in my sid box as it's up to date [03:51] <etker> ok ... so i'm trying to connect to a ubuntu box and ssh doesnt wanna play. i suspect that sshd isnt even started or installed. if we omit the fact that one can know whether a fresh ubuntu comes with or without sshd, how does one check whether its running in *nix ? [03:52] <reka> othernoob: check the mplayer codec status page [03:52] <iiiears> Admiral, - you may have a good reason to use the nvidia driver from nvidia's site - nvidia-glx on the ubuntu repository should be easier to install. [03:52] <AdmiralSenn> iiiears: it was [03:52] <bimberi> etker: a fresh install has no sshd [03:52] <AdmiralSenn> but I want to see if there's any difference [03:52] <McQuaid> anyone familar with gnomad2? [03:53] <iiiears> AdmiralSenn - what error/s are you seeing? [03:53] <AdmiralSenn> iiiears: kernel interface and lack thereof [03:53] <McQuaid> i'm trying to grab these damn wma's off it but getting an error tried to access protected track! [03:53] <McQuaid> never mind i'm an idiot [03:53] <bimberi> etker: install the openssh-server package [03:53] <kampfzerstorer> reka: hmm, it opened and it was a blank file, and it won't let me save it [03:54] <ethan1> TheGnome I have a 3 gig hard drive that will fit in my iBook but I dont know is that enough room? [03:54] <darkheart> halley Actually, if you do a 'apt-cache search uim --full' it might give you the name of the repository [03:54] <iiiears> AdmiralSenn, - i am really too new to offer much help. - nvidia-glx worked for me. :s [03:54] <etker> bimberi: ok ... but let me be more clear: if we forget for a second that both you and i know that a fresh ubuntu has no sshd. How would i check if its running or not ? [03:54] <ethan1> i dont know if its worth it taking apart every piece of my coputer just to get to the hard drive.. because thats what you have to do.. [03:54] <rob_p> etker: ps -A | grep sshd [03:54] <Unununium> ethan1: I sympathize. I had to do same the other day [03:54] <etker> bimberi: and by the way: when i install the openssh-server package ... will it also be added to some sort of startup-file, so that its always started on boot ? [03:54] <AdmiralSenn> heh [03:54] <halley> darkheart, still poking around, not found with "universe" [03:55] <Unununium> Due to a failed power supply interface board in the laptop [03:55] <etker> rob_p: thanks! [03:55] <AdmiralSenn> iiiears: it is working, I'm just hoping for a slight improvement [03:55] <ethan1> jhmm... [03:55] <AdmiralSenn> and I'm also tired of ubuntu kicking me out for no reason [03:55] <jeffrae> how do I install a .deb file? [03:55] <darkheart> halley Oh..You have to run an 'apt-get update' after you change that file. [03:55] <reka> kampfzerstorer: in a *normal* terminal, then doing 'sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf' ? [03:55] <reka> jeffrae: what is it? [03:55] <kampfzerstorer> reka: correct [03:56] <jeffrae> gs-esp_7.07.1-9_ia64.deb [03:56] <jeffrae> oops [03:56] <jeffrae> sory wrong one [03:56] <kampfzerstorer> reka: opens and the file is blank, then when I copy what I want to be in it from another source it won't let me save the file [03:56] <reka> kampfzerstorer: does 'less /etc/X11/xorg.conf' output anything? [03:56] <haja> anyone got a transparent terminal on they're desktop? [03:56] <reka> kampfzerstorer: (don't paste) [03:56] <halley> darkheart, aha, the elixir. [03:57] <halley> That did it. [03:57] <iiiears> AdmiralSenn, - sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is painful. - shouldn't be but is. [03:57] <darkheart> halley Cool =) Is scim working now? Or still more work to be done? [03:57] <reiki> ok... default install of Hoary. Anything need to be updated special other than the way it set itself up on install? I thought this was a pretty darn nice install for linux... and I've done many flavors [03:57] <jeffrae> gs-esp_8+8.15rc4.dfsg.1-1_i386.deb [03:57] <jeffrae> that [03:57] <nomasteryoda> haja, yes [03:57] <halley> darkheart, have to do the rest of that HOWTO now. [03:57] <haja> Are you using eterm nomasteryoda [03:57] <jeffrae> I need GS 8.15 [03:57] <bimberi> etker: sorry - got called away [03:58] <jeffrae> does ubuntu have a utility to install .deb file? [03:58] <Unununium> Heh [03:58] <Lopt> what is upanpoo [03:58] <nomasteryoda> haja, whatever the default is for Ubuntu [03:58] <Unununium> dpkg -i [03:58] <haja> how did you install it? [03:58] <reka> jeffrae: reason i'm asking is cos you should check if it's in the repo first...otherwise use 'dpkg -i <deb filename>' [03:58] <nomasteryoda> give me a min [03:58] <darkheart> halley Okay, well, I gotta go eat. [03:58] <Lopt> ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff [03:58] <etker> bimberi: np [03:58] <iiiears> jeffrae, - sudo dpkg -i installs debs alien will translate from rpm to deb [03:58] <jeffrae> ok [03:58] <Quest-Master> . [03:58] <kampfzerstorer> reka: No such file or directory, but I know its there, and when I open it by navigating through the Gnome GUI it opens with the correct contents, but its read only [03:59] <nomasteryoda> haja, I configured the profiles for transparent [03:59] <bimberi> etker: ps aux | grep sshd <-- will tell you if it is running [03:59] <halley> Nullifying *!i=thartgha@*.tpgi.com.au for 1 hour. [03:59] <Lopt> wtf [03:59] <Lopt> Geeks [03:59] <Lopt> i hope all ya comps DIe [03:59] <reka> kampfzerstorer: paste the exact command you used in here [03:59] <haja> nomasteryoda, Where is that? [03:59] <Unununium> Don't paste :^) [03:59] <TheGnome> what was his problme [03:59] <nomasteryoda> haja, i'll be able to tell ya in about 1 min [03:59] <haja> alrighty [03:59] <nomasteryoda> have to boot my ubuntu hoary box [03:59] <nomasteryoda> k [04:00] <haja> Ok... thanks [04:00] <bimberi> etker: and yes, the install will set up scripts in /etc/init.d and /etc/rc*.d to start sshd on boot :) [04:00] <etker> bimberi: yup, got a response similar to that by someone else here ... thanks [04:00] <haja> I am using this tutorial... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36811&page=1&pp=10&highlight=transparent+borderless+terminal [04:00] <etker> bimberi: ok great [04:00] <TheGnome> is there a linux app that teaches you how to type? [04:00] <TheGnome> cuz i need it for a job [04:00] <haja> yea, its called IRC :D [04:00] <jeffrae> thanks [04:00] <bimberi> etker: k - i got called away and didn't read my scrollback closely [04:01] <TheGnome> haja, yeah ....... that would get you to type fast [04:01] <haja> TheGnome, yeah.. it helped me a lot [04:01] <Unununium> Why is apt-get update "Ign"'ing all my hoary-backports repositories? [04:01] <reka> TheGnome: sure is....i remember linux.com writing about it in their CL tutes [04:01] <ethan1> humm... [04:01] <TheGnome> reka, do you remember what it was called [04:01] <nomasteryoda> Unununium, maybe network traffic...? [04:02] <TheGnome> ethan1, what are you gonna do? [04:02] <MustangMatt> So I've had ubuntu installed for a few weeks. Runs flawlessly. The only little problem I have is that dhcp overwrites my resolv.conf from time to time. [04:02] <etker> haha this was a new one [04:02] <jeffrae> does anyone know how I can find out what repository has gs-esp_8.15 [04:02] <reka> TheGnome: not off the top of my head...pretty easy to find on their site though [04:02] <TheGnome> backports is always slow [04:02] <DonL> I see one called KTouch [04:02] <bimberi> Unununium: I understand Ign means that the repository doesn't have a Release file - no problem and can be ignored [04:02] <TheGnome> gtk if possible [04:02] <reka> jeffrae: does it have a more common name? [04:02] <Unununium> I see the Release file in my Web browser [04:02] <goldenfox> is ubuntu comparable to windows xp? [04:02] <MustangMatt> My router doesn't properly resolve dns so I always manually set resolv.conf. Is there a way to keep it from being overwritten yet continue to receive ip, subnet and gateway from the dhcp server? [04:02] <etker> i did an apt-get install of openssh-server, and got a reponse from linux that i shojuld install the ubuntu hoary CDrom .... never seen that one before. [04:02] <jeffrae> I don't know [04:02] <Unununium> It doesn't appear to be even trying [04:02] <jeffrae> gs-esp (GhostScript ESP) 8.5 [04:02] <jeffrae> 8.15 [04:03] <kampfzerstorer> reka: 'less /etc/x11/xorg.conf' [04:03] <kampfzerstorer> bash: less /etc/x11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory [04:03] <Unununium> goldenfox: anything can be compared to anything, although it rarely makes sense to do so [04:03] <nomasteryoda|w> haja, ok... so what was the URL? [04:03] <reka> kampfzerstorer: big X in X11 :) [04:03] <Unununium> goldenfox: What do you want to know? [04:03] <etker> have i somehow configured my apt-system badly, so that it thinkks it should get stuff from CD rather than internet? i left the CD ad a friends place [04:03] <DonL> goldenfox, in what way do you mean? [04:03] <JaneLame> will they ever invent babylon 4 linux? how hard should that be, dammit? [04:03] <nomasteryoda|w> kampfzerstorer, /etc/X11/xorg.conf [04:03] <haja> nomasteryoda, etker i did an apt-get install of openssh-server, and got a reponse from linux that i shojuld install the ubuntu hoary CDrom .... never seen that one before. [04:03] <rob_p> MustangMatt: If your router settings are configured properly, it should give your Ubuntu box the correct DNS IP addresses. [04:03] <bimberi> etker: if the current version of a package is still on the install CD it will install from that (saves time/bandwidth) [04:03] <JaneLame> i hate the substitutes. i want babylon [04:03] <haja> wtf is that [04:03] <haja> lol [04:03] <haja> hold on [04:03] <nomasteryoda|w> k [04:03] <haja> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36811&page=1&pp=10&highlight=transparent+borderless+terminal [04:03] <haja> sorry [04:03] <reka> jeffrae: pacakge is called gs-esp :) [04:03] <etker> bimberi: ah shite ... ok ... hmmm could i override this? [04:04] <jeffrae> ok :) [04:04] <nomasteryoda|w> haja, have seen that [04:04] <ethan1> yea so my computers screwed.. alright... [04:04] <goldenfox> is ubuntu comparable to windows xp? [04:04] <JaneLame> what else can i use for a dictionary except wordtrans? [04:04] <ethan1> lol [04:04] <reka> jeffrae: know how to install using syanptic/apt-get? [04:04] <jeffrae> Ubuntu Repositories are only listing verson 7.x [04:04] <haja> Ok,.. I have it allinstalled correctly but I can't get it transparent [04:04] <jeffrae> I know how to use syanptic [04:04] <kampfzerstorer> reka: same result [04:04] <jeffrae> but I only see 7.x listed [04:04] <MustangMatt> rob_p: It's configured correctly but it doesn't work right for any machines linux or otherwise. It basically tells those machines it's IP as the DNS server but I want to use the IPs that I gave it. If that makes sense. [04:04] <haja> I assume its something in the session thing that I added [04:04] <jeffrae> I need 8.15 [04:04] <DonL> goldenfox, did you not read the responses? [04:04] <etker> maybe i could try the GUI for installing stuff ... and see there [04:04] <jeffrae> I am trying to find that [04:04] <bimberi> etker: edit your sources.list and comment out the "deb cdrom" line (usually at the top) [04:04] <nomasteryoda|w> haja, using gnome terminal here [04:05] <sn0n> weird [04:05] <nomasteryoda|w> but I can try that eterm too [04:05] <haja> How did you do it? [04:05] <etker> bimberi: ah ofcourse ... sounds logical. will try [04:05] <goldenfox> DonL: i havent... [04:05] <TheGnome> jeffrae, what app is it? [04:05] <sn0n> anyone else having firefox issues with it opening [04:05] <sn0n> http://www.rice.edu/ in a new tab [04:05] <jeffrae> gs-esp 8.15 [04:05] <haja> I'd like to uninstall this and just use the gnome term [04:05] <bimberi> etker: then apt-get update [04:05] <sn0n> quite often.. [04:05] <reka> kampfzerstorer: not found? [04:05] <jan-it> snOn, i am soooo frustrated with firefox and the dang flash crap! [04:05] <nomasteryoda|w> haja, well do it [04:05] <nomasteryoda|w> very easy [04:05] <sn0n> i've NEVER seen this site.. but like 5 times a day.. a new tab opens mysteriously.. and its on http://www.rice.edu/ [04:05] <DonL> goldenfox, better or worse or equal are in the eye of the beholder. [04:05] <haja> Ok... [04:05] <TheGnome> jeffrae, are you on i386? [04:06] <sn0n> jan-it, it works for me.. [04:06] <TheGnome> jan-it, whats the problem? [04:06] <jeffrae> i am on a x86 install [04:06] <goldenfox> DonL: Ok, thanks. :) [04:06] <jeffrae> so I belive so [04:06] <DonL> goldenfox, for me, this is all I use and I'm very happy [04:06] <TheGnome> jeffrae, here is the deb file http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fg%2Fgs-esp%2Fgs-esp_8%2B8.15rc4.dfsg.1-1_i386.deb&md5sum=c2a8721b568542e94dfa836d946a3b8f&arch=i386&type=main [04:06] <deviant> "bash: ./lg3d-dev: /bin/tcsh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory" <--- what doees that means ? [04:06] <haja> How do I do it nomasteryoda [04:06] <goldenfox> by the way guys whats an i386? [04:06] <turnix> sudo apt-get update [04:06] <jeffrae> ok [04:06] <jeffrae> I found that [04:06] <dfeed_> trying to adjust some sound stuff... how do I restart the sound server? [04:07] <jan-it> I have tried to install flash in multiple ways and it seems to work on "some" sight but many othes it just locks up firefox and I loose all my tabs! [04:07] <nomasteryoda|w> haja, you have synaptic? [04:07] <kampfzerstorer> reka: I think I finally got it to work, the problem was that I'm stupid =) [04:07] <titaniululz> i'm having a big problem with nx -- when i suspend a session i CANNOT resume it. i can't terminate it either later -- sessions just keep piling up. resume is greyed out, and terminate does nothing. what the hell [04:07] <jeffrae> When I install it I get all kinds of dependency errors.. That is why I wanted to see if synaptic would get them automatically [04:07] <haja> yes [04:07] <TheGnome> goldenfox, i386 is an intel 386 processor [04:07] <rob_p> MustangMatt: Yeah, that makes sense. Short of manually re-editing your /etc/resolv.conf (after obtaining your IP info from your router) or modifying a script, I'm unaware of a solution :-( [04:07] <reka> kampfzerstorer: what was wrong? [04:07] <nomasteryoda|w> click search, type eterm, uncheck [04:07] <skalpel> does anyone here ever have trouble watching mavies on yahoo! [04:07] <skalpel> ? [04:07] <nomasteryoda|w> hit apply [04:08] <TheGnome> jan-it, what is in your....../usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins directory? [04:08] <ksmurf> How old TheGnome? [04:08] <nomasteryoda|w> movies? [04:08] <TheGnome> ksmurf, huh.... [04:08] <ksmurf> the intel [04:08] <kampfzerstorer> reka: I should've been using an upper case X the entire time, >o< [04:08] <TheGnome> ksmurf, what? [04:08] <nomasteryoda|w> skalpel, network issues or unplayable in firefox? [04:08] <nomasteryoda|w> kampfzerstorer, yup [04:08] <reka> kampfzerstorer: do you have a scroll button on your mouse? [04:09] <etker> bimberi: worked like a charm, got sshd installed and running and can connect! [04:09] <kampfzerstorer> reka: nope [04:09] <nomasteryoda|w> reka, LOL.. [04:09] <skalpel> nomasteryoda|w: unplayable in firefox, i think, it says i do not have the appropriate player, though i have an extension for movie files, it does not seem to work on yahoo, something to do with their website [04:09] <nomasteryoda|w> mouse moves though... i'd bet [04:09] <etker> man, i love ssh + bash + apt-get ... makes even guys like me able to do magic easily [04:09] <nomasteryoda|w> skalpel, did you install the w32codecs? [04:09] <TheGnome> skalpel, what site? [04:09] <etker> bimberi: thanks for help [04:09] <skalpel> i believe i have, let me check [04:10] <reka> nomasteryoda: ? [04:10] <Unununium> etker: I've been doing that on my home computer from work all day :^) [04:10] <haja> ok nomasteryoda I removed eterm and develspie ... how do use the gnome terminal? [04:10] <etker> Unununium: how do you mean ? [04:10] <PHZN`Away> Does anyone here use kubuntu and Konversation?\ [04:10] <skalpel> TheGnome: this is what i am trying to view: http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=trailer&id=1808570527 [04:10] <nomasteryoda|w> reka, scroll button comment [04:10] <nomasteryoda|w> helps very much and mice are cheap [04:10] <jan-it> TheGnome:only one file is in the is directory "libflash-mozplugin.so" [04:10] <DonL> PHZN`Away, I tried it [04:10] <PHZN`Away> You like it? [04:10] <reka> kampfzerstorer: i was gonna say, you can paste stuff using that button [04:10] <skalpel> nomasteryoda|w: yes, i have them installed. [04:10] <nomasteryoda|w> i have about 50 hanging from my home office ceiling [04:10] <nomasteryoda|w> mice that is [04:11] <reka> kampfzerstorer: instead of mistyping what we tell you to type :) [04:11] <DonL> I kind of like X-Chat, but maybe It's just what I'm used to. [04:11] <Unununium> etker: ssh to my house, ssh from computer to computer, reconnect to running GNU screen, check on my apt-get updates, etc. [04:11] <PHZN`Away> I see. [04:11] <kampfzerstorer> reka: yeah, gotta get a new mouse and keyboard, gonna do that very soon. Yeah sorry guys [04:11] <goldenfox> TheGnome: is a pentium4 an i386? [04:11] <Unununium> s/update/install/ [04:11] <halley> - doumo arigatou, darkheart [04:11] <ethan1> TheGnome Fine.. I guess i'll try a different distro [04:11] <nomasteryoda|w> skalpel, what about the mozilla-mplayer plugin [04:11] <Unununium> hally: very nice [04:11] <nomasteryoda|w> or gstreamer [04:11] <deviant> "bash: ./lg3d-dev: /bin/tcsh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory" <--- what doees that means ? [04:11] <ethan1> wich should i try? [04:11] <reka> DonL: i like it too..easy to use....got my colours set up so exit and join messages are same as the b/g.....less clutter [04:11] <TheGnome> goldenfox, it is an i686 but i386 stuff runs on it too [04:12] <etker> Unununium: yeah, i forgot to mention Screen in the list there .... thats another cornerstone... sooo nice [04:12] <ethan1> hmm [04:12] <TheGnome> skalpel, uhhh you need realplayer for that site [04:12] <DonL> reka, yeah. just seems to work pleasantly, if you know what I mean [04:12] <etker> i'm gonna set up a headless ripper box based on ubuntu i think [04:12] <etker> well, not much to set up really [04:12] <reka> DonL: bit of a hog though [04:12] <bimberi> etker: yw :) [04:12] <etker> but the coolest thing is the machine i'm using ... iMac! [04:12] <TheGnome> goldenfox, i have a p4 and installed the optimized 686 kernel : ) [04:12] <kampfzerstorer> nomasteryoda|w: thanks for your help too [04:12] <Unununium> Still trying to figure out why apt-get update Ign's my new sources [04:12] <DonL> reka, resources are not a problem for me [04:13] <skalpel> TheGnome: i have realplayer installed, but it still will not play [04:13] <jan-it> I don't get why all the usual players can't be in one package for firefox not to mention the firefox version issue for updates,, geez [04:13] <sn0n> anyone need some html work done? im bored.. accept paypal ;) [04:13] <ethan1> TheGnome What distro should i try now then? lol [04:13] <jan-it> btw, i'm on amd64-k8 if it matters. [04:14] <reka> TheGnome: what performance gain did you get? 5 milliseconds? :) [04:14] <nomasteryoda|w> kampfzerstorer, np [04:14] <TheGnome> jan-it, there is no working flash for amd i dont think [04:14] <TheGnome> reka, not only that but it noticed i had 2 gigs of ram instead of the 700 the i386 kernel recognized [04:14] <nomasteryoda|w> TheGnome, skalpel you can choose Quicktime format too [04:15] <nomasteryoda|w> skalpel, check your pm [04:15] <TheGnome> reka, so neeeeeeeeaaaaah [04:15] <skalpel> nomasteryoda|w: alright. [04:15] <ethan1> ijoesafewhfoei [04:15] <reka> TheGnome: lol....guess that's a plus. :) [04:16] <jan-it> hey, is better to just run the i386 kernel instead of the amd64? [04:16] <TheGnome> reka, if it wernt for that i would have never done it [04:16] <reiki_> what plays mp3 in Ubuntu and why ain't mine workin? :) [04:16] <kampfzerstorer> Gonna reboot and hope I installed the new nvidia drivers correctly [04:16] <Unununium> reiki: get gstreamer-mad [04:16] <sn0n> reiki, look up gstreamer-mad [04:16] <Unununium> Or libmad. Or something [04:16] <TheGnome> reiki_, what app are you trying? [04:16] <sn0n> lol.. nevermind Unununium told you :-X [04:16] <jhs2> I am having issues with acpi on a Thinkpad X31 [04:16] <Unununium> Probably rhythmbox [04:16] <reka> gstreamer0.8-mad [04:17] <jhs2> it suspends but fails to resume correctly [04:17] <reiki_> TheGnome: when I clicked on an mp3 it opened Totem [04:17] <jhs2> anyone have expertise in this area? [04:17] <sn0n> reiki, gstreamer-mad [04:17] <reiki_> TheGnome: but Totem couldn't play the mp3... needed a.... something or other [04:17] <jhs2> I've played with different video drivers... but it seems to be a hdd problem somehow [04:17] <TheGnome> so gstreamer-mad will get mp3 in rythmbox? [04:18] <sn0n> TheGnome, i believe so [04:18] <sn0n> afaik gstreamer-mad has mp3's workingin anything ina default ubuntu [04:18] <PHZN`Away> Hey, in kubuntu, how do I set a custom icon? [04:18] <reka> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia [04:18] <reka> and: [04:18] <reka> !restricted [04:18] <ubotu> methinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [04:18] <sn0n> PHZN`Away, try in #kubuntu [04:18] <jan-it> not for me it didn't in fact only totem with the plugins for mp3 works gstream LOCKS up [04:18] <PHZN`Away> My bad [04:19] <TheGnome> where is gstreamer-mad? [04:19] <jan-it> I found the plugins for Totem in the ubuntu extras [04:19] <sn0n> TheGnome, you have universe in the repos'? [04:19] <TheGnome> sn0n, sure do [04:19] <TheGnome> sn0n, not there [04:20] <sn0n> do a search for just gstreamer then [04:20] <rob_p> MustangMatt: You still at your PC? I think I might have a solution for your DNS issue. [04:20] <reka> like i said, gstreamer0.8-mad [04:20] <alie> hi i have a ppc g3 machine on which i have installed ubuntu [04:21] <JBLoudG20> does anyone have the leadteck winfast 2000 tv card successfully working in hoary? [04:21] <reka> jan-it: gstreamer/totem issues can be resolved by installing totem-xine [04:21] <jan-it> mine shows gstreamer0.8.mad in synaptics [04:22] <jan-it> reka:i tried that too, but where does it install too, don't see it in any menus?? [04:22] <jmcnaught> does anybody have experience getting ubuntu installed w/ ndiswrapper for the wireless card on a computer that doesn't even have ethernet? any suggestions? [04:22] <Unununium> apt-get update fails with all my -backports and -extras sources: "Ign http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports Release.gpg" Why? [04:22] <alie> i am getting an error on starting X server "there was a problem activating bonobo activation server The error code is 3 the panel will now exit [04:22] <reka> jan-it: it replaces the default totem with the gstreamer backend [04:22] <JBLoudG20> ive tried installing tv time, but the program wont open [04:22] <jan-it> okay, then that is what I am using thanks. [04:23] <alie> second error there was an error starting GNome setting daemon [04:23] <TheGnome> there it is [04:23] <Unununium> JBLoudG20: tvtime is nice [04:23] <reka> Unununium: what are the urls for bp and extras in sources.list? [04:23] <JBLoudG20> not when its not working [04:23] <Unununium> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [04:23] <Unununium> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [04:24] <TheGnome> thanks guys rythmbox now works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [04:24] <desrt> s/!+/!/ [04:24] <jan-it> where in gui do you edit GRUB menu, not from command like in mandriva? [04:24] <Unununium> desrt: heh [04:24] <alie> third error nautilius cannot be used now because of unexpected error from bonobo when [04:24] <desrt> Unununium; (: [04:24] <Unununium> jan-it: I don't know, but it's easy to just edit /boot/grub/menu.lst by hand [04:24] <ukjohnd> !apt-move [04:24] <ubotu> ukjohnd: Not a clue [04:24] <ukjohnd> !apt-move [04:24] <black13> what does UDF-fs: No partition found (1) mean [04:24] <alie> when attempting to locate the factory [04:24] <ukjohnd> !apt [04:24] <ubotu> I guess apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ [04:24] <Unununium> desrt: wn!ununun [04:25] <halley> jan-it, gedit? ;) [04:25] <TheGnome> wait i lied [04:25] <TheGnome> i dont work [04:25] <ukjohnd> !move [04:25] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, ukjohnd [04:25] <reka> Unununium: they seem ok....and you've done an apt-get update? [04:25] <titaniululz> i'm getting an error whenever i log in with nx about "error activating xkb configuration" -- how can i fix this? [04:25] <PHZN`Away> !mysql [04:25] <ubotu> mysql is, like, totally, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP [04:25] <Unununium> reka: I'm trying to do so, byt apt-get update Ign's every -extra and -backport [04:25] <justdave> is there any way to get trackpad support on a 15" Powerbook in Ubuntu or does that not work at all yet? [04:25] <Unununium> err, -backports [04:25] <reka> oh, stupid question :) [04:25] <jan-it> Unununium, i found it in text but had no clue what to do with it, i need to change my defualt boot up [04:26] <jhs2> is there a better place to go for ubuntu linux support? [04:26] <Unununium> What do you want to change to? [04:26] <ukjohnd> apols new to IRC was trying to use Uboto bot [04:26] <Unununium> jhs2: try the wiki [04:26] <alie> hi i have a ppc g3 machine on which i have installed ubuntu i am getting an error on starting X server "there was a problem activating bonobo activation server The error code is 3 the panel will now exit second error there was an error starting GNome setting daemon third error nautilius cannot be used now because of unexpected error from bonobo when when attempting to locate the factory [04:26] <TheGnome> Could not open resource for writing Could not pause playback ....are the errors i get when trying to play mp3 in rythmbox [04:26] <jhs2> Unununium : to leave a request? [04:26] <JBLoudG20> any help wioht my tv turner [04:26] <jhs2> I've been over the wiki pretty extensivley [04:26] <Unununium> jhs2: no, to see if your question has already been answered [04:26] <jan-it> Uunun:need to have winblows boot by defualt and wait state to 15 [04:26] <jhs2> oh, yes I'm pretty sure it has not [04:26] <Unununium> jan-it change the "default" line [04:27] <jhs2> I Scanned the wiki and the laptop support forums [04:27] <jmcnaught> alie: did you buy the laptop today for $50? [04:27] <alie> hahahah [04:27] <alie> this is in my college [04:27] <alie> capsule pc ;) [04:27] <alie> jmcnaught ppc g3 i guess [04:27] <alie> never used but just trying to install ubuntu to make it usable [04:28] <alie> there are about 20 in my colleg [04:28] <alie> college [04:28] <Unununium> JBLoudG20: do you see video in the Multimedia Systems Selector? [04:28] <jmcnaught> alie: just curious.. slashdot reported a riot in virginia because the the gov't was selling 1000 g3's for $50 [04:28] <Unununium> System > Preferences > MSS [04:28] <Unununium> jmcnaught: I just saw it on the television news [04:28] <alie> no i m in malaysia [04:28] <Deep6> has anyone got dual display working? [04:28] <Unununium> Deep6: I have triple-head working [04:28] <Deep6> I need help with a card that has a vga and a dvi out [04:28] <Unununium> I manually edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf [04:28] <TheGnome> yup switched from esd to alsa and now it works [04:28] <Deep6> Unununium, can I get some hepl? [04:29] <Unununium> Want my file? [04:29] <TheGnome> thanks [04:29] <Deep6> er help rather? [04:29] <Deep6> Unununium, sure that'd be a good start [04:29] <alie> can can one help me configure it ? [04:29] <jmcnaught> alie: i've only installed to a ppc once and everything worked fine. might it have a hardware issue? does it do the same thing every time you boot up? [04:29] <Deep6> what kind of card do you have [04:29] <IcemanV9> jmcnaught: is that right?! w0w. $50 bucks for g3 box. dang. [04:29] <Deep6> or do you have 3 cards? [04:29] <alie> i have installed ubuntu i am getting an error on starting X server "there was a problem activating bonobo activation server The error code is 3 the panel will now exit second error there was an error starting GNome setting daemon third error nautilius cannot be used now because of unexpected error from bonobo when when attempting to locate the factory [04:29] <jmcnaught> Iceman: an old man got trampled, so did a mother with her stroller [04:30] <JBLoudG20> yes I see video in the multimedia systems selector [04:30] <Deep6> Unununium, firewall? [04:30] <Kyral> Can I have GCC 3.4 and GCC 4 along side each other? [04:30] <Unununium> Deep6: probably; I'll upload to my Web site [04:30] <jmcnaught> i'm installing hoary under qemu (with the kernel accelerator) right now, just for kicks [04:30] <Deep6> k [04:31] <Brunellus> firefox isn't downloading torrents for me for some reason [04:31] <Unununium> http://ioioio.net/xorg.conf [04:31] <reka> alie: search for bonobo topics in the forum while you wait [04:31] <IcemanV9> jmcnaught: if i knew about it, i would be there already getting 5 of them [04:31] <Deep6> Unununium, do you have 3 separate cards or are you using a single card? [04:31] <Unununium> Two cards, one of which is dual-head [04:31] <Unununium> All old [04:31] <alie> ok [04:31] <Deep6> ahh is the dual head card an nvidia based one? [04:31] <Brunellus> in fact, firefox won't download things at all from a left-click [04:31] <Unununium> I have an ATI and an nVidia in there [04:31] <jmcnaught> IcemanV9: there was a guy beating people down with a lawn chair.. he got 3. you'd have probably needed a bat or something. [04:32] <Unununium> They don't fight much [04:32] <Brunellus> anybody ahve any ideas? [04:32] <Deep6> I can't reach your website either :( [04:32] <jmcnaught> Brunellus: it doesn't do anything? or does it give an error [04:32] <Deep6> ping www.ioioio.net [04:32] <Deep6> PING www.ioioio.net (68.208.133.49) 56(84) bytes of data. [04:32] <Unununium> Why are you pinging my Web server? [04:32] <Brunellus> jmcnaught: it doesn't do *anything* [04:32] <JBLoudG20> Unununium, I see video the the selector [04:32] <Brunellus> no errors, nothing. [04:32] <Brunellus> I can right-click and download that way [04:33] <Deep6> can't connect to it Unununium [04:33] <Brunellus> but it's bizarre that I can't left-click download... [04:33] <Unununium> Deep6: use TCP not ICMP to connect [04:33] <jeffrae> mplayerplug-in buffers then sits and does nothing [04:33] <Deep6> uh.... Unununium I know :) [04:33] <jeffrae> has anyone seen this? [04:33] <Deep6> but I think there's a path issue [04:33] <Deep6> I can't see your website period [04:33] <Unununium> Deep6: I just scp'ed to it; I don't see why there would be a problem [04:33] <jmcnaught> Brunellus: maybe it's configured to download to a different directory? is this with all files or just torrents? [04:33] <Unununium> No, it's not inside my house [04:34] <Brunellus> all files. [04:34] <james> can eclipse be installed via apt-get? [04:34] <Unununium> Don't see why not [04:34] <jmcnaught> Brunellus: do files normally go to your desktop? maybe they're in your home? [04:34] <nomasteryoda|w> jeffrae, mozilla-mplayer plugin? [04:34] <james> how can I find out it's package name? [04:34] <jeffrae> yes [04:35] <nomasteryoda|w> what stream? [04:35] <nomasteryoda|w> url? [04:35] <jeffrae> I found some info on ubuntu forumnsand so on [04:35] <jeffrae> every stream I have tried [04:35] <Brunellus> Mcnaught: it doesn't even open a "file download" window [04:35] <jeffrae> I end up downloading it and opining mplayer standalone [04:35] <jmcnaught> Brunellus: what extensions do you have installed? [04:36] <nomasteryoda|w> jeffrae, you should not have to ... just got my realplayer going for a stream while working with skalpel [04:36] <jeffrae> cool [04:36] <nomasteryoda|w> though I have been able to play trailers with np [04:36] <Brunellus> nothing but an English-GB language pack [04:36] <nomasteryoda|w> via apple.com [04:36] <bimberi> james: I'm pretty sure it isn't available in the repositories however there is this ... [04:36] <bimberi> !eclipse [04:36] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, eclipse is to install eclipse please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EclipseIDE [04:36] <PHZN`Away> What is the command to remove a directory? [04:36] <PHZN`Away> that has things in it. [04:36] <halley> rmdir [04:36] <jeffrae> really [04:36] <halley> rm -r [04:37] <james> thank you bimberi [04:37] <jmcnaught> Brunellus; sorry, i'm just as puzzled as you are [04:37] <JBLoudG20> im so suick of trying to get all this linux crap working [04:38] <Brunellus> I've isolated it to just firefox, though [04:38] <black13> what does UDF-fs: No partition found (1) mean [04:38] <Brunellus> epiphany downloads everything just fine [04:38] <Unununium> black13: probably something to do with CD-RW's [04:38] <bimberi> james: yw :) [04:38] <Brunellus> (although I then have to open the torrents with gnome-bittorrent locally) [04:38] <titanium> does anyone know how to get freenx to work in ubuntu so that i can actually suspend and resume sessions? right now if i suspend a session it's gone forever and can't be resumed [04:38] <nomasteryoda|w> !udf [04:38] <ubotu> nomasteryoda|w: I don't know [04:38] <Brunellus> bug report time, maybe? [04:38] <nomasteryoda|w> !cdburning [04:38] <ubotu> I don't know, nomasteryoda|w [04:38] <jmcnaught> Brunellus: have you tried it as a different user? [04:38] <nomasteryoda|w> !cd-rw [04:38] <ubotu> nomasteryoda|w: Bugger all, i dunno [04:38] <nomasteryoda|w> hehe [04:39] <Brunellus> jmcnaught: I don't see why. This is the only user account on this machine [04:39] <Brunellus> other than sudo [04:39] <Unununium> sudo isn't a user; you're thinking of root [04:39] <Brunellus> that's right [04:39] <Brunellus> I don't have root enabled [04:39] <Unununium> There are dozens of behind-the-scenes accounts [04:39] <Brunellus> mmm. [04:39] <Unununium> You mean, it's not available for login. But trust me; root is a very busy user [04:39] <jmcnaught> ,Brun: if it works as a different user, i would suggest backing up your bookmarks.html and erasing firefox's hidden folder [04:39] <Unununium> Get a process list and see for yourself [04:39] <black13> Unununium what kind of file system is that? [04:40] <Unununium> black13: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A//www.webopedia.com/TERM/U/UDF.html&ei=iaMCQ8aTFsHy4AHUhoka [04:40] <Unununium> OOps [04:40] <Unununium> Well, that link will work [04:40] <Brunellus> jmcnaught: well I'll be [04:40] <Brunellus> sudo mozilla and it works just fine [04:41] <PHZN`Away> Alright, so I'm trying to install MySQL, but it says I alreday have a server running, what do I do? [04:41] <black13> i though the cds where iso9660 [04:41] <Brunellus> so what do I do now, rm ~/.mozilla [04:41] <Brunellus> ? [04:41] <halley> What's a useful apt search for media codecs? [04:41] <jmcnaught> Brunellus: it's a problem with your firefox settings for your user account [04:41] <Brunellus> jmcnaught: is there any way to change those short of deleting /.mozilla [04:42] <jdub> yo herzi [04:42] <Unununium> Any clues on my -backports/-extras problem? [04:42] <jmcnaught> Brunellus: make sure to copy bookmarks.html to a different folder and then 'rm -rf .mozilla' [04:42] <bur[n] er> anyone know why a fresh install of hoary would load gdm fine, but then freeze on starting gnome? [04:42] <reka> halley: sound or video? [04:42] <Unununium> (sorry if it hasn't already been answered) [04:42] <bur[n] er> the icons in teh splash screen don't even show [04:42] <Unununium> s/hasn't/has/ [04:42] <halley> reka, both? [04:42] <jmcnaught> Brunellus: probably, but you'd have to find the setting that got changed, look around in preferences [04:42] <dylan_> Seveas, how do i CD to a directory that has spaces in it, for example cd /home/user/The Folder With Spaces/ ? [04:42] <reka> halley: what player do you want to use? :) [04:43] <herzi> hey jdub [04:43] <bur[n] er> dylan_: use \ before the space [04:43] <halley> dylan_, cd /home/user/the\ fol<tab> [04:43] <bimberi> dylan_: The\ Folder\ With\ Spaces [04:43] <jmcnaught> Brunellus; deleting the .mozilla folder will restore all the firefox defaults for your user account [04:43] <reka> dylan_: use tab completion, otherwise you need to use the escape character [04:43] <halley> reka, totem/xine is fine for now. [04:43] <Unununium> Or use ' or " to quote the string [04:43] <dylan_> reka and everyone: thanks [04:43] <bimberi> ooh - i like halley's answer :) [04:43] <Brunellus> ok. and firefox will regenerate a ~/.mozilla when I run firefox again? [04:43] <speel> hey some help.. i see a book called dive into python is installed ..where would i find it [04:44] <bur[n] er> Brunellus: yes [04:44] <jmcnaught> Brunellus: yes [04:44] <reka> halley: install totem-xine, gstreamer0.8-mad (for mp3 support) and w32codecs (from backports for video support) [04:44] <herzi> speel: dpkg -L package-name [04:44] <reka> halley: totem should play everything with that now. [04:44] <mustard> nick Dude [04:44] <reka> s/now/after you do that :) [04:44] <Unununium> mustard: nothing happens. [04:44] <speel> thanks [04:44] <herzi> speel: probably /usr/share/doc/div-into... [04:44] <speel> yea its in /usr/share/doc [04:44] <Kyral> anyone get NVidia Hardware Accel to work on Breezy? [04:45] <halley> reka, could you /msg me the deb lines for backports? [04:45] <jmcnaught> am i not using nick completion correctly in X-Chat? i have it turned on, and i type ,<nick> and it doesn't work? [04:45] <Brunellus> dylan_: not necessarily [04:45] <Brunellus> but you don't really need 'latest versions'.... [04:45] <Brunellus> just ask the guys who are running Debian Stable! [04:45] <reka> halley: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [04:45] <Unununium> I wish that would work for me... [04:45] <dylan_> Brunellus, i mean like Vista needs A LOT of stuff. Will Breezy and whatever is after that need tough hardware? [04:45] <halley> jmcna<tab> [04:45] <speel> jmcnaught:>> i usually just press tab [04:45] <Unununium> jmcna<tab>: it doesn't work as expected [04:45] <reka> jmcnaught: nick completion means you use tab to auto complete iirc [04:45] <Brunellus> dylan: no [04:46] <halley> reka, thanks. [04:46] <jmcnaught> oh, i get it now [04:46] <dylan_> Brunellus, im running a 2.2ghz amd athlon xp processor with 1gb ram and 64mb video, how long will i be good for [04:46] <jmcnaught> i haven't used IRC since i was a teenager [04:46] <Brunellus> dylan_: indefinitely....provided you pick your software carefully [04:46] <reka> halley: oh, and for dvd support, there's libdvdcss2, also in bp [04:46] <jmcnaught> dylan_, you'll always be able to do whatever you do now on it [04:46] <dylan_> Brunellus, define indefinitely [04:46] <Brunellus> my last computer was a celeron 800 with 256 MB RAM [04:46] <Brunellus> as in, like 5 years old... [04:46] <Brunellus> and that ran Hoary pretty well [04:46] <Unununium> Using a 366MHz Deceleron right now [04:46] <PurpleMotion> I wonder if i could actually sell my kids on the black market? is there really a market for bad ass kids? [04:46] <Unununium> Check ebay [04:47] <dylan_> Brunellus, did you upgrade? [04:47] <Brunellus> the box or the OS? [04:47] <reka> jmcnaught: as in, the "hey what's up? a/s/l" stage? :D [04:47] <halley> jmcnaught, you fancy kids and yer eye-are-see. We had to telnet and kermit four hops to get through the bang notation just to download emacs from edu!mit!ai!prep, and we LIKED IT. [04:47] <Brunellus> yay telnet. [04:47] <Unununium> TCP is for wimps [04:47] <Brunellus> the best way to get email for me back in college was telnetting to the email server & just using PINE... [04:48] <Brunellus> quick & efficient. [04:48] <jmcnaught> reka: no, i was one of those leet kids using bitchx taking over #greenday and #teensex on efnet [04:48] <PurpleMotion> reka: BAH! It used to take me three days to get an email to paris. Ph34r f1d0n3t [04:48] <Unununium> That's kind of what I do now, except replace telnet with ssh and pine with mutt [04:48] <lespinoza> hola [04:48] <thilo> Hi folks. Question#1: How can I add links/programs to the Gnome-Applications-Panel ? [04:48] <reka> PurpleMotion: people buy toast that looks like holy figures...there's a market for everything :) [04:48] <Brunellus> my buddy used to ssh back to his own computer and use lynx to surf for soccer scores [04:48] <dylan_> jmcnaught, are you sure about my hardware? [04:48] <Brunellus> (this on computers that had nothing but terminal emulators on 'em.) [04:48] <jmcnaught> PurpleMotion, i know a guy that tried to sell his infant twins for a meth lab [04:48] <PurpleMotion> jmcnaught: I remember when IRC channels were numbered. no names. [04:48] <Brunellus> dylan_: your hardware is good. [04:48] <Brunellus> in fact, you're a little ahead of the curve [04:49] <Unununium> #111 [04:49] <Unununium> My nick is numbered [04:49] <halley> reka, that line you gave was all one line, right? or one per keyword at the end? [04:49] <jmcnaught> dylan_, you might not be able to use newer software on it 10 years from now, but it'll always do what it does now, and run what it runs now [04:49] <dylan_> Brunellus, cause i could not use Fedora [04:49] <halley> Unununium, right next to Unobtanium. [04:49] <jmcnaught> dylan_, and there's always xfce and icewm! [04:49] <reka> halley: 1 one line....can also check this: [04:49] <reka> !repos [04:49] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [04:49] <Brunellus> why couldn't you use fedora? [04:49] <Unununium> ubunununtu [04:49] <dylan_> jmcnaught, but by that time in 10 years i would have already switched to a new pc [04:49] <dylan_> Brunellus, i could not use fedora cause it would not allow 3d accel [04:49] <halley> reka, hm, search w32codecs gives '' [04:49] <OraE> alibaba and 40 thiefs [04:49] <brer_rabbit> fedora is either got a serious security hole or a very bad glitch [04:49] <dylan_> Brunellus, i have a VIA graphics processor [04:49] <nomasteryoda> skalpel, [04:50] <OraE> heeeeelo [04:50] <Brunellus> ah. [04:50] <nomasteryoda> k you still here [04:50] <PurpleMotion> this spit is bananas, b a n a n a s (THIS SPIT IS BANANAS, B A N A N A S) [04:50] <PurpleMotion> (don't ask) [04:50] <thilo> has sbd experienced problems with ALSA? [04:50] <reka> !w32codecs [04:50] <ubotu> methinks w32codecs is set of codecs needed to play common audio/video formats (wmv etc). You can install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org). AMD64? See: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399 [04:50] <Brunellus> for hardware acceleration, it's pretty much nvidia or owt. [04:50] <Unununium> reka: your nick reminds me of rpgworld [04:50] <titanium> anyone experienced with freenx refusing to resume sessions? >:( [04:50] <reka> halley: my mistake....hoary-extras :) [04:50] <IcemanV9> is it possible to use win key + other key (shortcut command)?? [04:50] <reka> halley: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [04:50] <jmcnaught> PurpleMotion, i remember sending my first email through some sort of a mail proxy that i didn't understand on a BBS... there aren't any of those around here anymore [04:51] <reka> halley: good idea to comment those out after you get the multimedia packages you need [04:51] <Brunellus> and whoever just posted hollaback girl should be dragged out into the street and shot [04:51] <reka> Unununium: you'll have to explain that :) [04:51] <PurpleMotion> !restricted [04:51] <ubotu> restricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [04:51] <Unununium> http://www.rpgworldcomic.com./ she's a (dead) character [04:51] <jmcnaught> dylan_, the computer you described will be able to run the latest linux for several years [04:51] <Unununium> (sorry to give it away) [04:51] <thilo> @iceman: good question, waiting for answers [04:51] <dylan_> jmcnaught, thanks [04:52] <reka> Brunellus: which is why i don't listen to commerical radio [04:52] <TheGnome> hello again [04:52] <reka> Unununium: oh, ok :) [04:52] <garyc> i got a samba question [04:52] <brer_rabbit> the extras repo Ive seen associated with what uboto has revealed will not update they all say failed so what is there another one? [04:52] <PurpleMotion> why can't i append a blurt on ubotu? I was going to append w32codecs to also point people to the restricted formats wiki [04:52] <brer_rabbit> ewww gadzooks [04:52] <halley> reka: (sudo apt-get install w32codecs libdvdcss2 gstreamer0.8-mad) working... [04:52] <TheGnome> brer_rabbit, did you sudo apt-get update [04:52] <reka> PurpleMotion: can't append afaik [04:52] <brer_rabbit> thats gotta be some nasty varnish there thegnome [04:53] <brer_rabbit> yes thegnome [04:53] <brer_rabbit> lol [04:53] <halley> reka, anything else I'm missing for dvd, etc? [04:53] <rickity> i have a question about using "dd" to backup my linux install...given two drives of the same make/model/capacity..can I simply clone my system by "dd"ing the whole linux drive to the backup drive? [04:53] <dylan_> brer_rabbit, will gnome 2.12 be aweomse? [04:53] <Unununium> andy_: Hi, what are you doing using my name? [04:53] <jmcnaught> haha, installing ubuntu on kqemu wasted half my battery in 30 minutes [04:53] <reka> halley: should be set :) [04:53] <brer_rabbit> uh well I guess [04:53] <brer_rabbit> 2.10 is pretty good [04:53] <PurpleMotion> !w32codecs [04:53] <reka> halley: remember to get totem-xine [04:53] <dylan_> brer_rabbit, agreed [04:53] <bimberi> dylan_: http://gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/ [04:53] <dylan_> bimberi, tanx [04:54] <PurpleMotion> there we go [04:54] <garyc> I want to share a folder with windows machines on my network [04:54] <bimberi> dylan_: yvw :) [04:54] <andy_> Unununium, can't help my name is andy huh:p my parents named me that way... [04:54] <garyc> I want to share a folder with windows machines on my network can anyone help [04:54] <Unununium> yeah, and as we talked earlier, my last name is Goth because that's what my parents decided [04:55] <skalpel> nomasteryoda: yes, i am here, why? [04:55] <halley> reka, I think that was installed by default; a dvd popped up totem movie player, but I think it's thinking about the css now... [04:55] <dylan_> will gnome 2.12 fix all the rhythmbox shittiness or will they finally make the wise decision and switch to xmms? [04:55] <andy_> whatever [04:55] <skalpel> nomasteryoda: i really like your nickname by the way [04:55] <dfeed_> Ununium: A. Goth? [04:55] <Unununium> rhythmbox ate all my RAM when I tried adding my music collection [04:55] <PurpleMotion> garyc: watch ubotu [04:55] <PurpleMotion> !samba [04:55] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba [04:55] <Unununium> dfeed: yes [04:55] <bimberi> garyc: system -> administration -> shared folders (install samba if required) [04:55] <Brunellus> dylan_: xmms is deprecated... [04:55] <nomasteryoda> skalpel, thanks [04:55] <reka> dylan_: xmms?! please! bmp at least [04:55] <Brunellus> use beep media player [04:55] <garyc> i have samba [04:56] <Unununium> cat to /dev/dsp [04:56] <Brunellus> xmms is a nice thing to have, though [04:56] <garyc> i shared a folder [04:56] <dylan_> reka, bmp is weak [04:56] <TheGnome> i like rythmbox [04:56] <rickity> anyone ever use "dd" to clone a drive? [04:56] <dylan_> i cannot jump to a time [04:56] <Ronan> When I download stuff for Ubtuntu, Do I chose "debian" on the list? [04:56] <jmcnaught> ryhthmbox has trouble adding folders to the library if they have any unsupported files (ie. album covers) [04:56] <Brunellus> but it's officially deprecated. [04:56] <reka> dylan_: i think they like the wmp type interface [04:56] <Unununium> rickity: yes, a floppy [04:56] <TheGnome> i like xmms better than beep too [04:56] <Quest-Master> Rhyhmbox is nice, but.. foobar2000 is still the best [04:56] <rickity> I have two drives that are presumably identical [04:56] <PurpleMotion> rickity: no, but it seems like it would be pretty straightforward [04:56] <rickity> make /model /capacity [04:56] <jmcnaught> amarok is pretty good [04:56] <garyc> my windows machine asks for a user/password [04:56] <dylan_> reka, why cant i jump to a certain time in bmp? [04:56] <TheGnome> foobar2000? [04:56] <Unununium> snackamp? [04:56] <rickity> can i just dd /dev/src /dev/backup? [04:56] <Ronan> When I download stuff for Ubtuntu, Do I chose "debian" on the list? [04:56] <TheGnome> totem-xine kicks ass [04:57] <Unununium> rickity: why not use cp? [04:57] <garyc> tried making new users no help [04:57] <Unununium> Wait, that won't work for "special" files (dev nodes, etc.) [04:57] <reka> dylan_: i don't know, but i can fine, so it must be something to do with your sound setup [04:57] <rickity> Unununium, cuz I want a verbatim clone ..down to the partition table [04:57] <nomasteryoda> skalpel, [04:57] <dylan_> reka, what do i do to jump to time? [04:57] <rickity> Unununium, zero recovery effort [04:57] <Concord_Dawn> Ronan, what do you mean? [04:57] <TheGnome> dylan_, try a different song [04:57] <brer_rabbit> exit [04:57] <andy_> Ronan, what should you download? use apt-get [04:57] <Unununium> rickity: Yes, you can do it, but are you sure the disks have the same capacity? [04:57] <brer_rabbit> dang [04:57] <supernix> has everyone took proper precautions to avoid the worm going round ? [04:57] <brer_rabbit> lol [04:57] <brer_rabbit> what worm is it now? [04:57] <Concord_Dawn> supernix, what worm? [04:57] <TheGnome> dylan_, some songs just wont let you [04:57] <james> is eclipse in repos? [04:58] <nomasteryoda> skalpel, you there ? [04:58] <Ronan> When I download stuff for Ubtuntu, Do I chose "debian" on the list? [04:58] <nomasteryoda> sorry [04:58] <dylan_> TheGnome, under XMMS i can for any song [04:58] <brer_rabbit> a version of the redworm? [04:58] <supernix> Don't know the name but it hit CNN today and took them down [04:58] <garyc> I want to share a folder with windows machines on my network [04:58] <Gatton> bwahaha [04:58] <rickity> Unununium, yes..they do...wut I don't understand is how does dd handle things like bad blocks? ..or is that so low level its not a concern for "dd"? [04:58] <brer_rabbit> oh you mean the winworm [04:58] <brer_rabbit> lol [04:58] <reka> TheGnome: really? i can jump with any song [04:58] <andy_> Ronan, when you ask questions, do you read the answers? [04:58] <concept10> supernix, it was a windows worm [04:58] <brer_rabbit> I run linux [04:58] <halley> garyc, someone pointed you to a URL from ubotu about Samba. [04:58] <Unununium> rickity: you have bad blocks?? [04:58] <Concord_Dawn> Ronan, try looking to see if it's in Synaptic. [04:58] <TheGnome> dylan_, just try a diff song for shits and giggles [04:58] <andy_> btw yes ubuntu is debian based [04:58] <Gatton> brer_rabbit, you run LInux? What distro? ;)) [04:58] <Concord_Dawn> If it's not, try looking for a Ubuntu version, if there isn't, Debian should do. [04:58] <reka> dylan_: i'm not a sound guru, but what output plugin are you using? [04:58] <dylan_> TheGnome, in xmms i can still jump to any time [04:58] <bimberi> garyc: so you did "sudo smbpasswd -a <username>" [04:58] <rickity> Unununium, don't most disks? [04:58] <brer_rabbit> concept10, my fedora fkd up on me today just like it did two weeks ago [04:58] <TheGnome> reka, me too..............but i have had soem songs in the past [04:58] <dylan_> reka, i dont know [04:58] <Ronan> Thanks [04:58] <dylan_> reka, alsa prolly [04:58] <rickity> Unununium, they just get masked out [04:59] <brer_rabbit> so its gone and I doubt if i will be returning to fedora [04:59] <brer_rabbit> ever [04:59] <Unununium> rickity: Well, if the hard disk hardware masks 'em, you won't know about it [04:59] <reka> dylan_: check in prefs [04:59] <TheGnome> dylan_, set up beep to use alsa [04:59] <ANYA> hi [04:59] <Unununium> So long as the OS doesn't have any trouble, dd will work for you [04:59] <ANYA> hi [04:59] <dylan_> TheGnome, that will work? [04:59] <concept10> heh, brer_rabbit ? [04:59] <rickity> Unununium, true...but i'm not sure at what level that's occurring... [04:59] <Unununium> If you're worried, get dd-rescue [04:59] <halley> ANYA, life is too short for 'hi' - ask your questions. [04:59] <reka> TheGnome: interesting....i can't however, pause playback :) [04:59] <iiiears> rickity - dd - can be configured to ignore a small number of errors. ddrescue is what you need to make a good copy of anything with a lot of errors. - CDs / protected [04:59] <ANYA> hi [04:59] <TheGnome> dylan_, it might [04:59] <dylan_> TheGnome, what i really want is the best gnome friendly music and video players [04:59] <nomasteryoda> heyya Omnifrog [04:59] <dylan_> TheGnome, any suggestions? [04:59] <concept10> f_newton, you reinstalled Ubuntu? [05:00] <nomasteryoda> sorry been busy here [05:00] <nomasteryoda> =) [05:00] <rickity> so the answer is yes then..as long as the backup disk is >=capacity of the source drive, "dd" will make a usable clone of the drive? [05:00] <Concord_Dawn> dylan_, XMMS and Rythymbox. [05:00] <garyc> bimberi how do I do that [05:00] <Omnifrog> hay nomasteryoda!! [05:00] <TheGnome> dylan_, i like the default ubuntu music player [05:00] <dylan_> TheGnome, it is buggy [05:00] <TheGnome> rythmbox [05:00] <jmcnaught> is there a way to install the dev packages for every library i have installed? [05:00] <halley> It's channels like this, I remember why I wrote the xchat auto-ignore-for-X-time script. :) [05:00] <bimberi> garyc: in a terminal window [05:00] <reka> halley: everything working? [05:00] <Unununium> Why do you need dev for all? [05:00] <dylan_> TheGnome, rhythmbox will not let me jump or scroll to different times either without skipping the whole song [05:00] <ANYA> hi [05:00] <TheGnome> dylan_, buggy.........hmm not for me [05:00] <bur[n] er> dylan_: beep-media-player [05:00] <Concord_Dawn> jmcnaught, write a script :) [05:00] <TheGnome> beep sucks [05:00] <Concord_Dawn> or [05:00] <concept10> jmcnaught, filter devel in synaptic and install all of those packages [05:00] <Concord_Dawn> try doing apt-get install *-dev [05:00] <bur[n] er> beep sucks? [05:00] <iiiears> rickity - yes it will make a good copy. - tho it copies -everything- even empty blocks [05:00] <PurpleMotion> why is it my key repeat stops working once in a while? [05:00] <dylan_> TheGnome, did you get my last message [05:00] <halley> reka, totem still chewing on a DVD, gonna break it and see what's wrong. [05:00] <garyc> can we get away from this traffic [05:01] <PurpleMotion> brb [05:01] <bur[n] er> rhythmbox .9 is really cool [05:01] <TheGnome> dylan_, yeah it deff dont do that for me [05:01] <Ronan> Which Ubuntuu should I download? The Hoary Hedgehog? [05:01] <dylan_> TheGnome, why? [05:01] <reka> halley: as in slow playback? [05:01] <jmcnaught> Unununium, so next time i compile something i don't have to keep apt-getting stuff that ./configure chokes on [05:01] <dylan_> Ronan, yes [05:01] <TheGnome> Ronan, yes [05:01] <rickity> iiiears, so is my strategy sound? I have two drives ..same make model capacity...possibly only differing by whatever bad blocks the disks had off the assembly line.. [05:01] <Ronan> Thanks :) [05:01] <dylan_> Ronan, no prob dude [05:01] <Ronan> :D [05:01] <iiiears> rickity - partimage? [05:01] <TheGnome> dylan_, why what? [05:01] <halley> reka, as in unresponsive once I ask it to play a disc. [05:01] <dylan_> TheGnome, why doesnt it do that to you? [05:01] <rickity> iiiears, is that superior to dd? [05:01] <ANYA> hi [05:01] <ANYA> hi [05:02] <Biscuitian_Warhe> Hi [05:02] <dylan_> TheGnome, can you scroll through the time of a song? [05:02] <Biscuitian_Warhe> Does Anyone here still use Dialup [05:02] <TheGnome> dylan_, let me see............yup [05:02] <Unununium> That's funny. oooqs-kde is in -extras or -backports (not sure which), but I don't have the gnome version [05:02] <iiiears> it was made for cloning - or copying an image to a compressed file. [05:02] <jmcnaught> Concord_Dawn, heh.. i wish i could. the last time i wrote anything was in pascal 10 years ago [05:02] <Biscuitian_Warhe> Like in particularly, Linuxant Drivers [05:02] <garyc> bimberi traffic too much for me is there a way to talk one on one [05:02] <rickity> iiiears, it seems dd would give me my boot, swap and all other partitions in one fell swoop...no? [05:02] <Concord_Dawn> lol [05:02] <dylan_> TheGnome, does it have anything to do with my sound? [05:02] <TheGnome> dylan_, did you swtich your multimedia selector to alsa [05:02] <dylan_> TheGnome, i dont know how [05:02] <dylan_> TheGnome, me = noob [05:02] <bimberi> garyc: sure - "/query bimberi" in your irc client [05:02] <iiiears> rickity - nah you also need sfdisk to copy the bootsector [05:03] <Unununium> Ah, it's named differently: ooqstart-gnome [05:03] <rob_p> MustangMatt: You still around for a quick question? [05:03] <halley> reka, ah, totem-xine wasn't actually installed; it removes totem-gstreamer to do it, though? [05:03] <TheGnome> System>prefs>multimedia selector> choose alsa [05:03] <rickity> iiiears, true! I'll do that separately [05:03] <dylan_> TheGnome, thanks [05:03] <TheGnome> totem-xine should be default [05:03] <iiiears> dd will do it i suppose but i always read about sfdisk as a seperate step. [05:03] <titanium> i'm trying to use kanotix.com as a repository but getting the following error; what can i do? i need a new version of freenx that is only available here. [05:03] <titanium> W: GPG error: http://kanotix.com ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY FB1A399A71409CDF [05:03] <titanium> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems [05:03] <dylan_> TheGnome, lemme test now [05:03] <reka> halley: correct [05:04] <TheGnome> titanium, READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [05:04] <Biscuitian_Warhe> How do I set up ESD on ubuntu [05:04] <halley> reka, playing disc now, checking audio in a sec. [05:04] <dylan_> TheGnome, must i log out [05:04] <rickity> iiiears, it seems like it should work...I just wanted to make sure I understood how the handling of bad blocks off the assembly line doesn't interfere with that strategy of cloning [05:04] <Biscuitian_Warhe> And how do i configure the volume manager [05:04] <dylan_> TheGnome, its still acting ip [05:04] <Unununium> Biscuitian_Warhe: I thought it was installed by default [05:04] <dylan_> TheGnome, up* [05:04] <Biscuitian_Warhe> But how do i configure it [05:04] <titanium> TheGnome: read what? i did apt-get update and it gives me the same error and tells me to apt-get update again [05:04] <TheGnome> dylan_, that sucks mine works flawless [05:05] <Unununium> worm: http://www.achewood.com./index.php?date=05172004 [05:05] <iiiears> another app worth a look is "mondo" rescue [05:05] <TheGnome> titanium, the keyring [05:05] <dylan_> TheGnome, do i hafta log out [05:05] <TheGnome> dylan_, maybe [05:05] <titanium> TheGnome: huh? [05:05] <dylan_> TheGnome, will you still be here? [05:05] <TheGnome> dylan_, yup [05:05] <dylan_> TheGnome, cool then brb [05:05] <titanium> TheGnome: what is the keyring [05:05] <halley> reka, audio seems fine [05:06] <dannyu502_> reka, what is my source directory? [05:06] <rickity> iiiears, my disk is 200 GB ..cds are out of the question [05:06] <reka> halley: playback not stuttery? [05:06] <iiiears> rickity - give "mondo" rescue a look. - it will save your image to just about aanything. [05:06] <andy_> titanium, there's a command you should run, had that problem too, google for that key (key=that number) [05:06] <dannyu502_> what is my source directory? [05:07] <reka> /usr/local/src maybe? [05:07] <halley> reka, dvd audio and playback is actually quite smooth [05:07] <dylan_> TheGnome, its still effed up [05:07] <dannyu502_> maybe? [05:07] <halley> reka, good lip sync for now, I'll leave it to see if it slips [05:08] <TheGnome> dylan_, that sucks [05:08] <dylan_> TheGnome, what do you recommend aside from the default music player? [05:08] <dannyu502_> Is anyone SURE what the source directory is? [05:08] <TheGnome> dylan_, xmms ....... mplayer [05:08] <dylan_> TheGnome, why was everybody raving bmp? [05:09] <TheGnome> dylan_, dont know [05:09] <TheGnome> dylan_, bmp i cool..........just not my thing [05:09] <reka> dylan_: it's prettier [05:09] <dylan_> TheGnome, ah [05:09] <Gatton> bmp is primarily what i use. it's good if you already like/use xmms or winamp [05:09] <dylan_> TheGnome, ah? [05:09] <TheGnome> what is chatzilla? [05:09] <Gatton> personally i think it's too small. my old eyes maybe :) [05:09] <dylan_> reka, can it do as much? [05:10] <andy_> giva amarok a try? [05:10] <TheGnome> what is chatzilla? [05:10] <reka> dylan_: yes, it's a development fork. i can't see why people would opt for xmms over it. [05:10] <TheGnome> amarok is very cool [05:10] <reka> *xmms development fork [05:10] <TheGnome> but it is qt [05:10] <dylan_> reka, define "development fork" please [05:10] <reka> dylan_: well, in my terms..."based on xmms" [05:10] <andy_> qt? [05:10] <dannyu502_> reka, it says "Go to source-directory"..... which onw is that [05:10] <coolkev> Is there a firewall software i can use on ubuntu that will give me more control and option then firestarter... i want something like maybe zone alarm or Sygate personal Firewall on the windows OS [05:11] <TheGnome> reka, becuse the controls suck [05:11] <dylan_> reka, so its better right? [05:11] <dannyu502_> reka, Seveas, it says "Go to source-directory"..... which onw is that [05:11] <reka> dylan_: imo, yes...but try it....i'm not making an opinion for you :P [05:11] <coolkev> I want a firewall that i can set up to allow certain ports to open but can only be access by a certain program [05:11] <dylan_> reka, have you ever heard of the distro "BeatrIX Linux" ? [05:11] <TheGnome> dylan_, just try them all till you find one you like [05:11] <TheGnome> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [05:11] <ubotu> No idea, TheGnome [05:11] <iiiears> coolkev - if you find it let me know. [05:11] <reka> TheGnome: which controls? [05:11] <TheGnome> easy as pie [05:12] <reka> dylan_: no, don't really keep track of what's out there [05:12] <coolkev> firestarter i think is weak and doesn't give me control to select an active connection and block it [05:12] <dannyu502_> reka, Seveas, TheGnome, it says "Go to source-directory"..... which one is that [05:12] <coolkev> which is very insecure [05:12] <titanium> andy_: ah i found what you meant [05:12] <dylan_> TheGnome, can i ask you a few questions...maybe pm you? [05:12] <coolkev> espessially for linux which struves to be secure [05:12] <coolkev> strives* [05:13] <TheGnome> dylan_, ok [05:13] <andy_> coolkev, try guarddog [05:13] <zerboxx> Anyone here run fvwm? [05:13] <coolkev> does it have a gui? [05:13] <dannyu502_> Can ANYONE tell me which one is my source-directory????? [05:13] <iiiears> sygate also does some nice things to fight attacks. like turning off their ip address for a set time. [05:14] <titanium> andy_: ok i got the repos. added properly in synaptic but when i try to update it i get a depedency error. any thoughts? [05:14] <titanium> "Depends: nxagent but it is not going to be installed" [05:14] <dannyu502_> nooo one knows what the source-directory is?? [05:14] <linuxpoet> How do I get Hoary to stop asking for the cd and use the internet archives? [05:14] <iiiears> would love to have sygate's file checksumming in linux. [05:15] <Unununium> linuxpoet: remove the CD from sources.list [05:15] <Unununium> linuxpoet: it's in /etc/apt [05:15] <iiiears> sygate = windows [05:15] <dannyu502_> SoMe OnE PlEaSe HeLp Me?!?!!?!?! [05:15] <Unununium> iiiears: you can probably whip something up with sha1sum and cron [05:15] <coolkev> linuxpoet: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list [05:15] <andy_> coolkev do you really need a firewall? just watch your inetd [05:15] <Gatton> linuxboy, you can comment out the cd in your sources.list [05:15] <coolkev> yes offcourse i need one [05:15] <iiiears> tripwire [05:16] <coolkev> what kind of a question is that in this day of age [05:16] <andy_> titanium, apt-get install -f prognameyouwanttoinstall [05:16] <linuxpoet> Doh [05:16] <Unununium> -f [05:16] <Unununium> What does -f mean? [05:16] <linuxpoet> Of course I wouldn't notice the VERY FIRST LINE of the sources file [05:16] <andy_> fix [05:16] <reka> i though the biggest risk of damage to linux boxes was when someone had physical access [05:17] <Unununium> linuxpoet: it's too obvious; it's like trying to determine the shape of the earth whilst standing on it [05:17] <reka> i.e. you don't really need a firewall [05:17] <coolkev> yes you do [05:17] <Unununium> To prevent fire from gaining physical access [05:17] <reka> andy_: isn't it force? [05:17] <linuxpoet> heh [05:17] <Unununium> Ah [05:17] <titanium> andy_: freenx: Depends: nxagent (>= 1.4.90) but it is not going to be installed [05:17] <andy_> reka, no not in apt-get [05:17] <Unununium> Is there an --extreme-prejudice option? [05:17] <titanium> with apt-get install -f freenx [05:17] <iiiears> Unununium, Earth's "shape"? - the earth is flat and windows is secure. - no? [05:17] <andy_> ther eit stands for fix-broken [05:18] <halley> reka, sound stays locked and smooth, but there's a regular dropped frame problem that's worse than usual. Like a 24frames per 30fields, but really obvious. [05:18] <remyforbes777> hey guys i just bought a new amd turion laptop and I am trying to install a 64 bit version of linux on there from an iso image but it wont boot. any ideas [05:18] <reka> andy_: right you are...just checked the man page :) [05:18] <coolkev> i recommend firewalls and anti-virus for all users to use [05:18] <coolkev> casue it's better to safe then NOT [05:18] <halley> Unununium, to paraphrase Asimov, '--force' is the last refuge of the incompetent. ;) [05:18] <reka> halley: enable DMA on your DVD drive [05:18] <coolkev> and i think other ubuntu user should incourage this [05:18] <halley> reka, HOWTO? [05:19] <Gatton> remyforbes777, it doesn't boot the cd? [05:19] <remyforbes777> no [05:19] <reka> !dma [05:19] <remyforbes777> even though its set in bios to boot from cd [05:19] <reka> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DMA [05:19] <iiiears> coolkev - and snort profiling and ip address blackholing - only the paranoid survive. - grin [05:19] <marcin> hi all [05:19] <Unununium> They really are out to get you [05:19] <remyforbes777> is there another file along with the iso image that i have to burn on the cd in order to get it to boot [05:20] <Unununium> At least, I am [05:20] <coolkev> iiiears are you making fun of me? [05:20] <Gatton> remyforbes777, no, if it's a good burn you shouldn't need anything else [05:20] <iiiears> no [05:20] <coolkev> for telling people to secure them selfs [05:20] <remyforbes777> dang [05:20] <bur[n] er> has anyone seen GDM freeze whenever you pick a different session? as soon as I pick Xfce instead of Last, the PC freezes and I have to hard reboot [05:20] <james> eclipse needs a jre, can i get one from apt-get? [05:20] <bur[n] er> james: no [05:20] <bur[n] er> james: check the ubuntu wiki for java [05:20] <andy_> coolkev, do you run a server? [05:20] <marcin> could someone tell me how can I set high resolution on console in ubuntu? [05:20] <bimberi> !java [05:20] <ubotu> I guess java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [05:20] <halley> reka, easy enough, thanks. [05:20] <Unununium> burner: can you access the computer from the network when it's "frozen"? [05:20] <coolkev> sometimes [05:20] <Unununium> ping it, ssh to it [05:21] <bluefoxicy> spellcheck continues to NOT WORK in OpenOffice2 on breezy. [05:21] <Unununium> marcin: pass vga=ask to Linux at boot time, then pick a mode [05:21] <bur[n] er> Unununium: nope [05:21] <bur[n] er> i can't ctrl+alt+f2 either [05:22] <iiiears> coolkev - http://isc.sans.org/diary.php - internet "weather report". [05:22] <Unununium> Incidentally, I have made a patch allowing 132x60 on my particular graphics card, something SVGATextMode doesn't know how to do [05:22] <ezek> can i get help plz ? [05:22] <Unununium> No, not until you ask your question [05:22] <bur[n] er> Unununium: by any chance is yours a widescreen latop? [05:22] <bluefoxicy> bur[n] er: right alt + printscreen + [EISUO] in that order, 3 seconds between, clean shutdown. [05:22] <Unununium> 132x60 gives tall, skinny characters which look nice [05:23] <bluefoxicy> bur[n] er: if that doesn't work, it is indeed hard frozen. 2.6.10 I take it? [05:23] <reka> Unununium: seeing as you're a console buff, do you know if it's possible to change the refresh rate? [05:23] <bur[n] er> [EISUO] [05:23] <coolkev> the version of guarddog in the ubuntu repos have been way outdated [05:23] <ezek> Unununium i'd need support to do this [05:23] <reka> Unununium: 60Hz is hard on the eyes [05:23] <bluefoxicy> bur[n] er: I use 2.6.12 because 10 hard-locks for me a lot. [05:23] <ezek> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17019&highlight=retrieve+root+password [05:23] <c0rrupt_> how can i get the version number of a given file through apt-get [05:23] <Unununium> Are you using a "text" or "graphics" mode on your card? [05:23] <bluefoxicy> bur[n] er: yes, sigtErm, sigkIll, Sync, Unmount, Off [05:23] <coolkev> on repo is 2.3.2 and current stable version is 2.4.0 [05:23] <reka> Unununium: heh, not sure to be honest [05:23] <c0rrupt_> how can i get the version number of a given file through apt-get [05:24] <Unununium> You can tell by looking at your cursor and watching how it is rendered [05:24] <Unununium> Text cursors are in the same "foreground" color and overlay the text [05:24] <Unununium> Framebuffer cursors invert, or something different. Anyway, they look different to me [05:24] <marcin> Unununium: thx, trying in a moment [05:24] <bur[n] er> bluefoxicy: i'll try .12, though I think my issue is X related only [05:24] <bimberi> c0rrupt_: dpkg -l <package> [05:25] <Unununium> Also, the blink rate is always, always constant, whereas the framebuffer cursor seems to speed up, pause, slow down as you move it around on the screen [05:25] <bluefoxicy> bur[n] er: possibly. If it's X freezing, the magic sysrq stuff should still work [05:25] <ezek> ubuntu/knopp!x where can i find that ? [05:25] <c0rrupt_> bimberi, nien [05:25] <bur[n] er> bluefoxicy: good call [05:25] <c0rrupt_> through apt [05:25] <Unununium> You can also try Ctrl+Alt+F1 or Ctrl+Alt+BackSpace [05:25] <sproingie> what's ctrl-alt-f1 do? [05:25] <reka> Unununium: so what'd the next step be after working out which mode? [05:26] <sproingie> oh duh switch vc's [05:26] <Unununium> Switches away from X to a text terminal [05:26] <Unununium> Or you can hold Ctrl+Alt while pulling the power plug [05:26] <TheGnome> why when i close rythmbox it doesnt close to system tray? it has an icon there [05:26] <Unununium> reka: is it text or framebuffer? [05:26] <Unununium> 60Hz is likely to be framebuffer [05:26] <reka> Unununium: framebuffer i think [05:26] <biscuit_> Can someone help me with configuring ESD in ubuntu? [05:27] <Unununium> get fbset [05:27] <nomasteryoda> !ESD [05:27] <ubotu> I heard esd is Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously. [05:27] <reka> and seeing as how i passed a vga option, i assume that is another sign? [05:27] <Unununium> biscuit: what's there to configure? [05:27] <nomasteryoda> !ubotu, how helpful [05:27] <ubotu> nomasteryoda: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [05:27] <Unununium> reka: no, VGA does text as well as graphics. What option did you pass? [05:27] <bimberi> Hey thoreauputic, how's the 'gong? :) [05:27] <biscuit_> Im not getting any sound [05:27] <reka> checking [05:27] <nomasteryoda> no, it's a biscuit you stupid bot... [05:27] <nomasteryoda> hehe [05:27] <Unununium> Oh, and oops, not all "graphics" mode consoles are handled by the Linux framebuffer (I don't think) [05:27] <andy_> ezek, knoppix is a linux on cd version [05:27] <coolkev> !ubotu fortune [05:27] <ubotu> coolkev: Bugger all, i dunno [05:28] <coolkev> !ubotu fortune [05:28] <reka> Unununium: vga=0x318, which is apparently 1024x768 [05:28] <nomasteryoda> !fod [05:28] <ubotu> nomasteryoda: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [05:28] <iiiears> ubotu you stink. [05:28] <biscuit_> !Nicaragua [05:28] <ubotu> No you stink, iiiears. [05:28] <ubotu> biscuit_: Are you smoking crack? [05:28] <nomasteryoda> !fud [05:28] <ubotu> methinks fud is [FUD] Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. A marketing technique employed by those who do not trust in the merits of their own product. Also Fair Use Day. [05:28] <f_newton> well crap cant seem to get java working in ubuntu [05:28] <Unununium> reka: fbset will let you do whatever you want [05:28] <coolkev> !ubotu smoke? [05:28] <ubotu> coolkev: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [05:28] <andy_> what they say there is if you don't remember your password, yu have to get acces to your pc on a alternative way [05:28] <bur[n] er> thanks for the help all... hopefully something works here [05:28] <coolkev> !ubotu yes [05:28] <ubotu> Yes, yes! Yes indeed. Who would have thought it, eh, coolkev? [05:28] <reka> Unununium: thanks, will look into it [05:28] <avanspronsen> !java [05:29] <ubotu> java is, like, totally, to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [05:29] <coolkev> !ubotu Ubuntu [05:29] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntu is an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian. http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards [05:29] <Unununium> andy_: Like booting with the init=/bin/sh option [05:29] <nomasteryoda> ColonelKernel, ah we thinks humor someone programmed into ubotu [05:29] <biscuit_> !Nicaragua! [05:29] <ubotu> biscuit_: Are you on ritalin? [05:29] <sproingie> coolkev: you and uboto get a room, ok? [05:29] <biscuit_> :-P [05:29] <Unununium> ritalout [05:29] <coolkev> is SElinux intergated into ubuntu? [05:29] <speel> !awards [05:29] <nomasteryoda> sproingie, LOLROTF [05:29] <ubotu> from memory, awards is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubunturocks [05:29] <nomasteryoda> hey, linuxrocks too ...hehe [05:29] <Unununium> turok? [05:29] <marcin> Unununium: sorry no effect after vga=ask [05:29] <nomasteryoda> tuvock [05:30] <andy_> Unununium, could be, dunno, havent forgot my password yet :d [05:30] <Unununium> marcin: Maybe you don't have VGA mode selection compiled into your kernel. [05:30] <coolkev> is SElinux integrated in Hoary or will be added to breezy? [05:30] <marcin> Unununium: I got default hoary kernel [05:30] <biscuit_> Does anyone here use Linuxant? [05:30] <Unununium> andy_: I usually use that to log into computers whose root passwords I have never known [05:30] <biscuit_> !linuxant [05:30] <ubotu> biscuit_: Did you get hit by a windmill? [05:30] <biscuit_> !:-P [05:30] <ubotu> biscuit_: Bugger all, i dunno [05:30] <TheGnome> why when i close rythmbox it doesnt close to system tray? it has an icon there [05:31] <nomasteryoda> you guys [05:31] <andy_> :) [05:31] <Unununium> marcin: vga=ask queries the BIOS for modes and gives you a selection. All this is done in video.S before leaving "real mode" [05:31] <nomasteryoda> #ubuntu-offtopic [05:31] <biscuit_> Does anyone here use dialup? [05:31] <Unununium> I do [05:31] <Unununium> 28.8! [05:31] <coolkev> is SElinux integrated in Hoary or will be added to breezy? [05:31] <Unununium> Slow down son, you're talking too fast! [05:31] <marcin> Unununium: I had this selection [05:31] <TheGnome> im too cool to use dialup...........28.8 wow i feel sorry for you [05:32] <biscuit_> Unununium: Linuxant by any chance? [05:32] <Unununium> Noisy phone lines and an out-of-the-way locale... what can I say? [05:32] <PurpleMotion> I haven't owned a modem since 1998 [05:32] <andy_> Unununium, sometimes this chat must look like tetris level five to you [05:32] <biscuit_> I live to far from Hi-Speed... [05:32] <Unununium> linuxant?? [05:32] <marcin> Unununium: but after log in I switched to console with Ctrl+Alt+F1 and it is still in low resolution [05:32] <Unununium> It's... interesting. [05:32] <Unununium> marcin: 80x25? [05:32] <biscuit_> Linuxant.... Very bad Driver.... [05:33] <coolkev> can anyone answer the question: Is SElinux integrated in Hoary or will be added to breezy? [05:33] <Unununium> Oh, modem driver. No, I have an external serial modem. [05:33] <Unununium> Two, actually [05:33] <biscuit_> Oh [05:33] <marcin> Unununium: propably yes [05:33] <biscuit_> How much did they cost? [05:33] <iiiears> !breezy [05:33] <ubotu> hmm... breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/ [05:33] <Unununium> marcin: echo $LINES and echo $COLUMNS if you want to check [05:33] <TylerE> I'm having an issue with the Generic IDE stuff. It's kicking in BEFORE my hardware specific driver (VP_IDE) and preventing me from getting DMA. System is AMD64 running 2.6.11-1-k8 kernel [05:33] <PurpleMotion> does anyone know how to spell 'inna godda davida' the right way? as in fromt he opera [05:33] <crimsun> coolkev: the infrastructure is present, but it won't be enabled by default. [05:33] <laughingMan> hello, i have a trouble run mozilla with flahs plugin [05:33] <Unununium> biscuit_: the modems? $50-$100 each, I think [05:33] <biscuit_> Ok [05:33] <PurpleMotion> TylerE: so turn off generic ide support [05:33] <laughingMan> mozilla crach when i load a file contain flash animation [05:34] <TylerE> how exactly do I do that? [05:34] <GattonAFK> PurpleMotion, as in not Iron Butterfly? [05:34] <coolkev> how can i harness the securtiy benefits offered by SElinux [05:34] <PurpleMotion> recompile the kernel [05:34] <marcin> Unununium: yes it is 80x25 [05:34] <Unununium> PurpleMotion: inna gadda da vida [05:34] <PurpleMotion> GattonAFK: yeah.. [05:34] <andy_> laughingMan, how did you install the flash plugin? [05:34] <biscuit_> What are some good Partition programs for Linux? [05:34] <TylerE> *sigh* [05:34] <laughingMan> with apt-get [05:34] <PurpleMotion> Unununium: tyvm [05:34] <Unununium> biscuit_: I usually use fdisk even though it's rumored to suck [05:34] <TylerE> it seems so stupid and wrong that it uses the generic driver before trying hardware specific drivers [05:34] <sproingie> coolkev: install grsec. you'll get all the benefits of selinux and then some [05:34] <GattonAFK> didn't realize there was such an opera [05:34] <coolkev> biscuit_: gparted [05:34] <biscuit_> Oh [05:34] <TheGnome> biscuit_, umm fdisk [05:34] <laughingMan> i try to instal it manual too [05:34] <reka> biscuit_: qtparted/gparted iirc [05:34] <biscuit_> Isn't fdisk windows? [05:34] <TheGnome> biscuit_, and gparted [05:35] <crimsun> coolkev: you'll need to check a lot of the documentation scattered across the Web [05:35] <Unununium> marcin: I forgot what we were doing [05:35] <sproingie> coolkev: selinux doesnt look slated for breezy. maybe the next one [05:35] <iiiears> crimsun - are you using 64 bit linux? [05:35] <marcin> Unununium: heh I propably got it in kernel .config I got CONFIG_FB is not set and CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT is not set [05:35] <biscuit_> Would installing Linux on an External HD work? [05:35] <TheGnome> biscuit_, there is fdisk in linux [05:35] <PurpleMotion> Unununium: you wouldnt happen to have it would you ;) [05:35] <crimsun> iiiears: I have a pbuilder running on amd64, but I don't use it as a desktop. [05:35] <biscuit_> TheGnome: Where at [05:35] <Unununium> PurpleMotion: yes [05:35] <sproingie> is there a "what's new in breezy" for literates? [05:36] <TheGnome> biscuit_, type fdisk in term [05:36] <Unununium> marcin: you sure you got stock Hoary? [05:36] <biscuit_> ok [05:36] <PurpleMotion> Unununium: the one from indiana jones and the temple of doom, right? [05:36] <Unununium> I don't know about that [05:36] <PurpleMotion> cause all im getting is iron butterfly [05:36] <Unununium> But maybe I should see that movie again [05:36] <marcin> Unununium: we were trying to set higher resolution on console with vga=ask [05:36] <iiiears> Okay. - always appreciate your advice going to need a bit in a couple weeks. [05:36] <Unununium> Ah. What resolution do you want? [05:36] <marcin> Unununium: well yes - stock Hoary but with K7 kernel [05:36] <Unununium> And, you can wait until later to do it via fbcon and fbset [05:36] <Unununium> Or you can use SVGATextMode and avoid fbcon [05:37] <xbins> anyone help me with a startup question? [05:37] <Unununium> (heh, NOW it feels like Tetris!) [05:37] <PurpleMotion> Unununium: im just trying to clarify... we're talking about the classical choir piece.. its really suspensful and builds constantly through the song [05:37] <Unununium> Hey, my Hoary kernel has CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX=y [05:37] <Unununium> PurpleMotion: no, I just have the Iron Butterfly [05:38] <GattonAFK> PurpleMotion, i am banging my head but can't think of any choral piece with that name [05:38] <thoreauputic> heh - for a weird experience, run some video file using aaxine .... bizarre [05:38] <crimsun> Unununium: yes, as I mentioned, the infrastructure is present and disabled by default. [05:38] <marcin> Unununium: I don't know what resolution... something simmilar to what I have on X [05:38] <GattonAFK> PurpleMotion, you don't know the composer do you? [05:38] <PurpleMotion> GattonAFK: no, and it's driving me crazy too.. have you ever seen temple of doom? [05:38] <marcin> Unununium: the higher available is 132x44 [05:38] <coolkev> is there any way to change the background color for the gnome loading screen after u login for the first time [05:38] <Unununium> marcin: my Hoary has CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT=y [05:38] <xbins> i'm running openbox (no gnome) and I want the gnome-panel to run at startup, how do I get that into init in dbian? [05:38] <Unununium> marcin: If you have an ATI you can do 132x60 with my patch [05:38] <coolkev> i don't like the defualt brown color added by ubuntu [05:38] <PurpleMotion> coolkev: so change it [05:38] <GattonAFK> PurpleMotion, not in many years. It's my least fav of the series I'm afraid. But if it's in that movie surely I can find out [05:39] <marcin> yes I got ATI [05:39] <Unununium> It adds a mode VGA=BEEF [05:39] <f_newton> yeah it is kinda blah isnt it? [05:39] <coolkev> the question was HOW [05:39] <PurpleMotion> heh its my favorite fromt he series [05:39] <TheGnome> coolkev, so change it [05:39] <sproingie> gnome is a study in the color brown. ubuntu embraces brown. [05:39] <aru> Unununium: well... at least it atkins approved? :) [05:39] <f_newton> sproingie yer fulluvit [05:39] <PurpleMotion> GattonAFK: it's the climax music when they're actually int he temple and they get noticed [05:39] <Unununium> Yes, it's actually 0xBEEF which is very high in protein [05:39] <coolkev> how can i change it? [05:39] <ezek> can anyone would like to help me to reset my root password ? [05:39] <marcin> Unununium: yes I got ATi although I don't use fglrx drivers because I couldn't set up them [05:39] <nomasteryoda> PurpleMotion, easier said than done... the brown default that splashes.. .even when youchange the background color and image and splash image [05:39] <LaserJock> xbins: how are you starting openbox? GDM? [05:39] <nomasteryoda> still stays brown [05:39] <Unununium> What's fglrx? [05:39] <xbins> ues [05:40] <xbins> yes, even [05:40] <marcin> Unununium: they didn't want to run with my DVI connection [05:40] <sproingie> Unununium: the ATI driver [05:40] <GattonAFK> PurpleMotion, ok. Lemme check it out. It may be a piece that John Williams wrote for the score though [05:40] <nomasteryoda> ezek, reset? [05:40] <PurpleMotion> Unununium: ati drivers [05:40] <nomasteryoda> ezek, there is not on ubuntu [05:40] <sproingie> !fglrx [05:40] <ubotu> fglrx is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto [05:40] <f_newton> there are splash screens you can change it to if you really want to [05:40] <PurpleMotion> GattonAFK: i was told it was inna gadda da vida [05:40] <iiiears> !splashscreen [05:40] <nomasteryoda> !root [05:40] <ubotu> splashscreen is, like, to change your splashscreen via a GUI, "sudo apt-get install gtweakui", or install "gtweakui" from Synaptic (make sure you have universe !repos enabled) [05:40] <ubotu> somebody said root was disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo [05:40] <f_newton> its only for a second or two thoughj [05:40] <Unununium> Never heard of it; I'm using "radeon" successfully [05:40] <TheGnome> ok guys........change your background color to ..whatever ....then change gdm backgorund to whatever....no more brown [05:40] <reka> marcin: what probs did you have with them? [05:40] <f_newton> its not that you cant get used to it [05:40] <f_newton> ya know? [05:41] <nomasteryoda> ah, oke .. TheFoam rocks [05:41] <marcin> reka: I could only use them with VGA not DVI [05:41] <nomasteryoda> =) [05:41] <nomasteryoda> TheGnome, lol [05:41] <nomasteryoda> quantum foam whence we roam [05:41] <nomasteryoda> nn all [05:41] <Unununium> marcin: let me see if I can find my patch. It's five years old or more, though... [05:41] <sproingie> Unununium: radeon is for older ati chipsets [05:41] <Unununium> But then again the video.S code hasn't changed very much [05:41] <f_newton> TheGnome, the gdms provided by ubuntu are brown, touchyfeely brown and multi touchy feely brown [05:41] <iiiears> Gnome is almost infinitely configurable - take a peak at gnomelook.org [05:41] <biscuit_> How do you compile .dlls with Wine? [05:41] <Unununium> sproingie: such as the Radeon? :^) [05:41] <Unununium> http://ioioio.net/xorg.conf [05:41] <nomasteryoda> !wine [05:42] <TheGnome> f_newton, if you go into gdm setup.....you can change [05:42] <iiiears> !cedega [05:42] <ubotu> cedega is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega [05:42] <f_newton> yes and you can also download some rather nice ones from the net as well [05:42] <nomasteryoda> try here ... http://www.winehq.org [05:42] <LaserJock> xbins: you need to change the way that GDM starts openbox [05:42] <andy_> ezek with sudo you must use your normal user pass [05:42] <TheGnome> f_newton, DONT FORGET TO CHANGE BACKGORUND COLOR or else at boot it will be brown [05:42] <coolkev> i installed gtweakui... now where do i go or what do i type to access it [05:42] <andy_> you can add a root pass however [05:42] <xbins> is there a gdm config I change, or what? [05:42] <andy_> then yo type su [05:42] <Unununium> sudo passwd root [05:42] <nomasteryoda> andy_, but why? [05:42] <ksmurf> hello all ... is there a specific breezy channel? [05:42] <f_newton> TheGnome, I changed my desktop background. I really dont worry about the gdm [05:43] <iiiears> ubotu wine is also try here ... http://www.winehq.org [05:43] <ubotu> okay, iiiears [05:43] <biscuit_> Te he he [05:43] <Unununium> marcin: http://ioioio.net/fonts/ and http://ioioio.net/fonts/kernel/ [05:43] <alie> anybody can help me with bonobo and gnome [05:43] <TheGnome> f_newton, did you change the color too [05:43] <Unununium> I apologize for the suck value of the code. It's very very old [05:43] <nomasteryoda> biscuit_, now he knows... [05:43] <nomasteryoda> !wine [05:43] <LaserJock> xbins: you can either have GDM start a default session that will use your ~/.xinitrc file or you can create a new xsession file that executes a shell script [05:43] <alie> it is giving error nautilus cannot find bonobo factory [05:43] <f_newton> lol TheGnome I changed to clearlooks and the background color yues [05:44] <nomasteryoda> !ubotu tell biscuit_ about wine [05:44] <f_newton> right now I am trying to get java to work [05:44] <killahkosha> So the Ubuntu livecd, it is installable right? [05:44] <alie> i have reinstalled nautilus gnome still the error is there [05:44] <reka> coolkev: maybe try 'gtweakui' [05:44] <coolkev> i did' [05:44] <nomasteryoda> killahkosha, no [05:44] <coolkev> doesn't do anything [05:44] <nomasteryoda> killahkosha, you need the install cd [05:44] <f_newton> earthtones are not my favorite [05:44] <killahkosha> oh bleh [05:44] <killahkosha> how large is the livecd [05:44] <reka> coolkev: no such file? [05:44] <killahkosha> can't decide if its worthy of trying it out [05:44] <coolkev> yep [05:44] <xbins> I like the .xinitrc file idea, how do I make it run that? [05:45] <f_newton> but in the right perspective they are nice ... if you have enough green [05:45] <Unununium> marcin: the 2.4.1 patch won't apply cleanly to 2.6.whatever due to the addition of some power management stuff [05:45] <nomasteryoda> killahkosha, it is [05:45] <nomasteryoda> very good [05:45] <biscuit_> nomasteryoda, ? [05:45] <nomasteryoda> oh, about wine [05:45] <marcin> Unununium: ok I'll try to google yet more [05:45] <marcin> Unununium: thanks for now [05:45] <alie> any one working with gnome ? [05:45] <reka> coolkev: dpkg -L and then look for files in /usr/bin/ [05:45] <marcin> alie: no [05:45] <marcin> alie: we all use ion3 ;) [05:45] <reka> *dpkg -L gtweakui [05:46] <killahkosha> I assume it already comes with 3d-accelerated drivers for my Nvidia 6600GT? [05:46] <Unununium> marcin: If (when) I find the 2.6 version I'll upload it. What is your email address? [05:46] <alie> ion3 ? what is hat ? [05:46] <alie> that [05:46] <nomasteryoda> biscuit_, you were Te he he about iiiears posting info into wine [05:46] <nomasteryoda> er, into ubotu [05:46] <LaserJock> xbins: put "gnome-panel &" followed by "openbox" in your .xinitrc file [05:46] <marcin> Unununium: marcin.antczak at gmail.com [05:46] <c0rrupt_> how [05:46] <c0rrupt_> do i see [05:46] <EasterSunshine> quick simple question: i want to run a command exactly two hours from now, how would i do that? [05:46] <c0rrupt_> the version. [05:46] <c0rrupt_> of a file i am about to install [05:46] <crimsun> EasterSunshine: man 5 crontab should show you an example [05:46] <iiiears> !cron [05:46] <xbins> is that all i need to do? [05:46] <ubotu> iiiears: Are you smoking crack? [05:47] <marcin> alie: ion3 - next generation default window manager for ubuntu ;D [05:47] <EasterSunshine> thx chimsun [05:47] <ksmurf> how do you reconfigure xorg on breezy? [05:47] <c0rrupt_> ! [05:47] <ubotu> c0rrupt_: Do they come in packets of five? [05:47] <EasterSunshine> crimsun* [05:47] <crimsun> ksmurf: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [05:47] <thoreauputic> EasterSunshine: sleep 2h && yourcommand [05:47] <c0rrupt_> ubotu, ..? [05:47] <alie> but how to get that ? [05:47] <ubotu> c0rrupt_: Do they come in packets of five? [05:47] <c0rrupt_> ubotu, ..? [05:47] <Unununium> marcin: will do. [05:47] <Unununium> Hey, I should go. Bedtime approacheth. [05:47] <alie> marcin what is taht [05:47] <Unununium> I'll get the printer stuff figured out after I upgrade things. [05:47] <marcin> alie: http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/ [05:47] <c0rrupt_> packets of 5 whats the hell does that mean [05:47] <biscuit_> Noooo...... i was testing to see if i was lagging out [05:47] <biscuit_> I just say random stuff to test it [05:47] <marcin> alie: it is really window manager [05:48] <EasterSunshine> hmm...i think i'll use thor's; thx [05:48] <marcin> alie: and personally I think that it is the best window manager and I'm using it now [05:48] <killahkosha> Is Openoffice.org a gnome or kde application? [05:48] <alie> so i wont need to use bonobo nautilus [05:48] <alie> ? [05:49] <iiiears> EasterSunshine, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22401.html [05:49] <alie> marcin, i wont need to use bonobo gnome ? [05:49] <TheGnome> openoffice is java i think [05:49] <thoreauputic> EasterSunshine: you might also read "man at " :) [05:49] <marcin> alie: but it was only a joke while well almost all 'ubuntoers' love pretty icons and nice graphisc in gnome/kde [05:49] <IcemanV9> killahkosha: either [05:49] <bur[n] er> openoffice has java components [05:49] <killahkosha> Well I mean, does it use the Gtk or Qt? [05:49] <iiiears> thoreauputic - you are great! :) [05:49] <f_newton> !java [05:49] <ubotu> java is probably to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [05:49] <Gatton> ooo uses gtk as far as i know [05:49] <PurpleMotion> hehe, i found the greatest american hero soundtrack :D [05:50] <PurpleMotion> err theme song [05:50] <killahkosha> All right cool, thanks. [05:50] <marcin> alie: but seriously what do you need? [05:50] <Gatton> believe it or not [05:50] <Gatton> george isn't at home [05:50] <andy_> i'll go piss and sleep it's 5.50 am here and there's a blonde in my bed [05:50] <LaserJock> I thought that ooo had its own widget set, or maybe i'm wrong [05:50] <alie> marcin i am getting an error that nautilus cannot connect to bonobo server [05:50] <thoreauputic> iiiears: thanks for the compliment but I just have an undiscriminating fly-paper mind ;) [05:50] <PurpleMotion> \:D/ Believe it or not, IIIIIIIIIIIm walkin on air.. I never thought I could be so freee-eeee-eeee.. Flyin away on a wing a prayer, who could it beeeeeeee? Believe it or not it's just meeeeeee \:D/ [05:50] <TheGnome> andy_, WOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO [05:50] <alie> marcin, i am getting an error that nautilus cannot connect to bonobo server [05:50] <TheGnome> andy_, how old are you? [05:51] <andy_> 24 [05:51] <marcin> alie: stock nautilus on hoary? [05:51] <ms12> anyone know if i can run evolution from icewm [05:51] <reka> andy_: you own a labrador? :P [05:51] <alie> i am a newbie i dont know what is stock ? [05:51] <andy_> no a german shepherd [05:51] <thoreauputic> ms12: yes, of course [05:51] <marcin> alie: installed from package? [05:51] <reka> ms12: yes. [05:51] <alie> marcin, from interne [05:51] <alie> marcin, from internet [05:52] <ms12> thoreauptic do not know why it is not working here will try again i just installed it and am really impressed by its speed [05:52] <marcin> alie: hmm what do you mean 'from internet' ? [05:52] <alie> marcin, nautilus as well as gnome reinstalled from internet [05:52] <alie> marcin, i mean downloaded from repositories [05:52] <Gatton> PurpleMotion, i found the Temple of Doom soundtrack. Gonna suck it down and see if I can find that track [05:52] <PurpleMotion> wow where'd you find it? [05:52] <reka> ms12: i'm a fan as well....bit ugly though :) [05:52] <thoreauputic> ms12: you should be able to run it by typing " evolution" in a terminal, if it isn't in your menu [05:53] <killahkosha> Wow, only 580mb for the install cd, all the Gnome and whatnot is on that right? [05:53] <ms12> ok thanks guys i guess my menu link want to be modified for it ran from the terminal thanx again and sorry for the stupid ques [05:53] <Gatton> soundtrack newsgroup [05:53] <PurpleMotion> wow [05:53] <marcin> alie: ok, you upgraded nautilus with synaptic or something? [05:53] <PurpleMotion> any chance i can get you to send me that? :D I'll set you up an ftp on my server at interserver.net [05:53] <ms12> reka its pretty fast faster then enlightenment which i like [05:53] <zerboxx> Anyone here use fvwm that can help me out with a few things? [05:53] <goldenfox> is it true that ubuntu is giving away free cds? [05:53] <avanspronsen> !shipit [05:53] <ubotu> [shipit] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/shipit/link_view [05:53] <reka> killahkosha: yep [05:53] <alie> marcin, from apt-get install gnome [05:53] <ms12> got to go now experiment with it so have fun guys take care [05:53] <IcemanV9> killahkosha: yep [05:53] <PurpleMotion> i think the song might be temple of doom [05:53] <alie> apt-get install nautilus [05:53] <reka> goldenfox: yep [05:53] <Gatton> PurpleMotion, sure. send me the info. it'll take me a few minutes to download it [05:54] <goldenfox> cool! That's cool [05:54] <PurpleMotion> but ive heard the song on other movies too [05:54] <Gatton> i'll just grab it all [05:54] <PurpleMotion> cool [05:54] <reka> ms12: tried xfce? [05:54] <iiiears> ubotu cron is "sleep 2h && yourcommand" "man at or man crontab" and this link "http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22401.html" did this help? [05:54] <ubotu> iiiears: okay [05:54] <PurpleMotion> u rock [05:54] <PurpleMotion> Gatton: toss me either your aim or icq or yahoo or msn [05:54] <marcin> alie: I have to go now... [05:54] <marcin> alie: but try to [05:54] <marcin> alie: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop [05:54] <alie> ok [05:55] <alie> marcin, thanks ;) [05:55] <thoreauputic> iiiears: the sleep command really has nothing to do with cron, and neither does "at", you know... [05:55] <Gatton> PurpleMotion, i am the last person on the planet not using IM ;). can you send me info at jelunsford@gmail.com [05:55] <marcin> alie: or run synaptic and then reinstall nautluis package [05:55] <iiiears> lol - any hints? [05:55] <PurpleMotion> hah, ill just msg u [05:55] <Gatton> ok [05:55] <PurpleMotion> and yeah,y ou're the lastest [05:55] <goldenfox> what does ubuntu distribution password means? [05:56] <biscuit_> Muahahahaha I shall have Linux on the Go! [05:56] <alie> marcin, ok [05:56] <thoreauputic> iiiears: maybe the factoid should be something like "delay" - also note that sleep 2h means delay two hours (m is minutes, s seconds) [05:56] <iiiears> wishing it had the man entries for each command and an additional reference link - you might ask "man at" get the info plus related commands. [05:56] <killahkosha> I'm glad I'm going to try out Ubuntu, I realized an hour ago that all the applications that I use are available for Linux :) [05:56] <alie> marcin, how to install xfce [05:56] <alie> marcin, apt-get ? [05:57] <killahkosha> How does OpenOffice.org compare to Office 2003 though? [05:57] <PurpleMotion> you get all that gatton? [05:57] <TheGnome> openoffice is way better [05:57] <iiiears> ubotu forget cron [05:57] <ubotu> iiiears: i forgot cron [05:57] <alie> its free and work of good people [05:57] <killahkosha> Like is it a night and day difference in functionality? [05:57] <alie> killahkosha, who love the world [05:57] <iiiears> ubotu delay is "sleep 2h && yourcommand" "man at or man crontab" and this link "http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22401.html" did this help? [05:57] <ubotu> okay, iiiears [05:57] <sproingie> killahkosha: i rather prefer office 2003. except openoffice has fairly nice pdf creation abilities [05:57] <reka> killahkosha: matter of opinion...does what it needs to for me [05:57] <alie> killahkosha, support it [05:57] <f_newton> well I guess java is not accessible for ubuntu [05:57] <f_newton> strike one [05:57] <alie> f_newton, it is [05:57] <killahkosha> all right, I'll try it out, if it isn't very good I'll just keep the partition of Windows XP around :) [05:58] <volvoguy> hey all. while i have what works of the breezy installer up on my laptop right now, and a usb key mounted, is there anything i can do (lspci, lsusb, etc) to aid in troubleshooting my install issues? [05:58] <iiiears> delay is also also note that sleep 2h means delay two hours (m is minutes, s seconds) [05:58] <killahkosha> Anyone know of a free program for Windows to safely resize an Ntfs partition? [05:58] <paulproteus> killahkosha: QtParted and a Knoppix ISO [05:58] <iiiears> ubotu delay is also note that sleep 2h means delay two hours (m is minutes, s seconds) [05:58] <ubotu> okay, iiiears [05:58] <sproingie> killahkosha: ntfsresize, or just use qtparted which has it built in [05:59] <iiiears> pastiche. [05:59] <sproingie> killahkosha: best to use qtparted since there's a few different versions of ntfsresize going around, and the older versions aren't as safe [05:59] <volvoguy> i think ntfsresize is on the hoary install and live cd's too. [06:00] <zerboxx> I can play movies in xine, but when I try to play the same movies in gmplayer it freezes, anyone know why? [06:00] <goldenfox> same here [06:00] <reka> killahkosha, sproingie : you can resize in the partitioning stage of install [06:00] <goldenfox> have you tried mplayer? [06:00] <killahkosha> Ohmer, all right sweet :) [06:00] <IcemanV9> forgot mplayer, stick with xine :P [06:00] <thoreauputic> iiiears: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/Timer_Script.html <-- my humble timer :) [06:00] <killahkosha> I'll back up the data just in case, can't hurt I suppose :) [06:00] <IcemanV9> *forget [06:00] <goldenfox> xine is very slow here in my pc [06:00] <f_newton> alie Ive installed it run the symlinks and it just doesnt work [06:01] <sproingie> reka: good to know. i never remember the installer that well, since i only ever aim to use it once [06:01] <reka> killahkosha: very good idea [06:01] <f_newton> so.. [06:01] <TheGnome> totem-xine is the way to go [06:01] <reka> sproingie: it's kind of hidden though...which is unfortunate [06:01] <sproingie> reka: i use the expert installer, i think it's totally hidden there [06:01] <f_newton> TheGnome, totem-xine is a stripped down model [06:01] <alie> f_newton, you are talking about java jdk ? is it ? [06:01] <f_newton> no java runtime [06:01] <alie> ok just download the bin file [06:02] <goldenfox> totem-xine? never heard of it before [06:02] <alie> f_newton, just download the bin file [06:02] <alie> f_newton, it will work [06:02] <f_newton> alie done that, installed it, ran the symlink to the moz plugin [06:02] <f_newton> it doesnt work [06:02] <alie> ooh [06:02] <reka> sproingie, killahkosha : you have to select 'manually edit the partition table', select the NTFS parition, press enter, select the size field, press enter, then enter the new size. [06:02] <alie> f_newton, you are using which browser [06:02] <f_newton> lol firefox [06:02] <alie> f_newton, is it mozilla or mozilla-firefox ? [06:03] <sproingie> reka: aieee, i would NEVER have believed that would *non-destructively* resize it [06:03] <alie> f_newton, there are two browser plugin [06:03] <sproingie> reka: i was brought up on fdisk .... you don't do that in fdisk :) [06:03] <f_newton> alie....yes [06:03] <reka> sproingie: well, it works. :) i have no clue about fdisk [06:03] <alie> f_newton, /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins should have the link to java [06:03] <f_newton> but if you put it in moz it should read in moz firefox but I put it in both just to be sure [06:03] <alie> f_newton, not the mozilla plugins [06:04] <f_newton> I will ls -l and see if its there [06:04] <sproingie> reka: fdisk can't resize the partition at all, but if you delete it and add it back at a different size, it'll be happy to [06:04] <iiiears> ubotu delay is also http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/Timer_Script.html << Thank You thoreauputic :) [06:04] <ubotu> okay, iiiears [06:04] <sproingie> reka: won't preserve your data or anything of course [06:04] <ushooz> anyone know why glade-2 (interface designer) does not bring up the windows to design the gui? [06:04] <alie> f_newton, do it and check if it is symbolic link ;) [06:04] <goldenfox> is there any chance i can choose what package to install when installing ubuntu? [06:04] <reka> sproingie: i know someone who would use a mandrake install cd to set up partitions, then reboot before it installed the files. :) [06:04] <sproingie> reka: i do that with a rescue cd that has qtparted, actually [06:05] <thoreauputic> iiiears: heh - free advertising! <laugh> [06:05] <goldenfox> use the ubuntu partitioning, much easier [06:05] <sproingie> partitioning is something i do only once [06:05] <spinkz> I have a software raid /dev/md0... I accidently only initialized one drive so it looked like [_U] .. I just added the second drive now. so cat/proc/mdstat shows it is syncing. It is ok to still use the partition that the raid is mounted to while its "hot" adding the second drive? [06:06] <garyc> success sharing my folders now I want to share the printer [06:06] <iiiears> just hoping ubotu doesn't boot himself for flooding when that query is entered nrly a paragraph. - not cutting a word of it. - sheepish grin [06:06] <garyc> printer installed ok with test page [06:06] <sproingie> spinkz: depends what level of raid [06:06] <spinkz> spo0nman, raid1 [06:06] <thoreauputic> iiiears: if it's too long it goes to /msg [06:06] <garyc> how do I share it ?? [06:06] <reka> iiiears: i think he uses /msg when it's rather long [06:06] <spinkz> sproingie, raid 1 [06:06] <sproingie> spinkz: you'll be fine, raid1 is designed to be redundant [06:07] <goldenfox> can somebody explain to me what is raid? [06:07] <spinkz> sproingie, so even when its rebuilding the second drive i can use the first? [06:07] <sproingie> goldenfox: stands for "redundant array of individual disks" [06:07] <desrt> goldenfox; multiple harddrives join together to make one virtual drive that is larger and more resiliant to failure [06:07] <speel> raid is a bug spray [06:07] <reka> wikipedia [06:07] <goldenfox> oh.. cool [06:07] <IcemanV9> lol @ speel :) [06:08] <sproingie> goldenfox: basically it's a way of using a bunch of disks at once. some configurations you can "stripe" them to be faster, some you can have one drive be a backup of the other [06:08] <speel> ;D [06:08] <garyc> Hey! How do I share my printer [06:08] <sproingie> goldenfox: and with 3 or more disks, you can get exotic combinations of the two [06:08] <iiiears> !raid [06:08] <ubotu> raid is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaidConfigurationHowto [06:08] <desrt> goldenfox; in RAID4/5 config (most common for large number of drives) for N drives of size S, you get (N-1)*S storage and your data is safe so long as only 1 drive fails [06:08] <goldenfox> very cool [06:08] <sm> good evening [06:08] <Thewarmachine> I cant seem to get the f-spot source [06:08] <desrt> goldenfox; if 2 disks fail you're in trouble, though :) [06:08] <sm> how do I help someone open a lot of MS works files in ubuntu ? [06:08] <Thewarmachine> website is congested I guess [06:08] <garyc> I have samba installed - I don't see how to share it [06:08] <thoreauputic> iiiears: did you download the script ? Install xdialog to make it work... :) [06:08] <volvoguy> i'm doing raid1 on a hoary machine and it rocks. :) [06:08] <goldenfox> hahaha... [06:08] <sproingie> raid-1 is common for small servers, and it's usually software raid [06:09] <Gatton> sm, have you tried opening in Open Office? not sure if it understands Works or not though [06:09] <Thewarmachine> can someone direct me to a cvs repo [06:09] <goldenfox> software raid? [06:09] <Thewarmachine> or send me the source [06:09] <Thewarmachine> ? [06:09] <desrt> Thewarmachine; use apt-get source [06:09] <sproingie> raid 4 and 5 use expensive hardware controllers for big servers [06:09] <sm> Gatton: 1.1 doesn't at least, nor abiword [06:09] <desrt> Thewarmachine; apt-get source f-spot [06:09] <desrt> Thewarmachine; don't run with sudo [06:09] <iiiears> thoreauputic - ubotu has a lot of scripts. - great teaching examples. [06:09] <Thewarmachine> naw [06:09] <sproingie> or for people who really want fast reliable access to their pr0n [06:09] <sm> abiword looks otherwise perfect for this guy [06:09] <Gatton> sm, yea i assumed OOo would be able to [06:10] <volvoguy> sproingie, or paranoid people who want flac backups of their cd collection. ;) [06:10] <Thewarmachine> ive got 0.0.13 [06:10] <Thewarmachine> that isnt in repo yet [06:10] <Thewarmachine> i want 0.1.0 [06:11] <Thewarmachine> you know, I am pretty accomplished linuxwise [06:11] <garyc> Hey can someone tell me how to share my printer [06:11] <goldenfox> UBUNTU --> Fontconfig error - cannot load default config file? [06:11] <sm> click click click! ah the joy of debian/ubuntu! [06:11] <Thewarmachine> I just pester to gain an in-depth understanding [06:11] <killahkosha> Ubuntu does dvd burning and all that right? [06:11] <killahkosha> without too much difficulty? [06:11] <TheGnome> 0.1.0 .................. what app is it [06:11] <Thewarmachine> so I apologize if im a nuisance [06:11] <Thewarmachine> fspt thegnome [06:11] <garyc> sm - do you know how to to share a printer after samba is in [06:11] <alie> f_newton, works ? [06:11] <Thewarmachine> f-spot [06:12] <iiiears> ubotu tell garyc about samba [06:12] <f_newton> not yet [06:12] <TheGnome> Thewarmachine, what is that? [06:12] <sm> no, sorry [06:12] <alie> ok [06:12] <killahkosha> printers, crap, forgot about those, Ubuntu comes with drivers for laser printers? [06:12] <ksmurf> I'm trying to setup the Nvidia driver on breezy. Any hints or warnings b4 I start ? Please? [06:12] <Thewarmachine> photo album thinger [06:12] <Thewarmachine> I love it [06:12] <dannyu502_> Can someone please help me by telling em how to fix this: Can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/build; give the path to kernel sources with KSRC=<path> argument to make [06:12] <iiiears> !nvidia-glx [06:12] <ubotu> iiiears: Are you smoking crack? [06:13] <volvoguy> ksmurf, the drive in universe or the one from nVidia/ [06:13] <Thewarmachine> !crack [06:13] <ubotu> The primary cause of people asking me the wrong things. [06:13] <Thewarmachine> lol [06:13] <DanusMcAnus> lol [06:13] <goldenfox> some package failed when setting up ubuntu... is it normal? [06:13] <dannyu502_> Can someone please help me by telling em how to fix this: Can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/build; give the path to kernel sources with KSRC=<path> argument to make [06:13] <dannyu502_> me* [06:13] <Thewarmachine> you need to estract kernel source [06:13] <dannyu502_> how [06:14] <Thewarmachine> and make symbolic lnks [06:14] <IcemanV9> awesome; f-spot is made for gnome desktop [06:14] <crimsun> dannyu502_: you need to install 'linux-headers-$(uname -r)' [06:14] <dannyu502_> crimsum, how do I do that [06:14] <crimsun> dannyu502_: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) [06:14] <thoreauputic> dannyu502_: if you are compiling a driver, do sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) [06:14] <Thewarmachine> iceman where can I get the source for 0.1.0 [06:14] <Thewarmachine> > [06:14] <Thewarmachine> because I can't get it off the webpage [06:14] <IcemanV9> Thewarmachine: http://www.gnome.org/projects/f-spot/ [06:15] <thoreauputic> dannyu502_: heh - or what crimsun said (same result) [06:15] <goldenfox> how much time does it take to install ubuntu? [06:15] <dannyu502_> crimsum, toreauputic lol ok which 1 [06:15] <ksmurf> volvo? [06:15] <ksmurf> volvoguy? [06:15] <IcemanV9> hmm. error page [06:15] <volvoguy> ksmurf, my card is now unsupported in the current drive (which is the one in universe), so i can't speak on that. i occasionally try to build the latest driver (for my card) from Nvidia and it's only worked once. [06:15] <f_newton> nope it just doesnt work. [06:15] <DanusMcAnus> goldenfox: 20min for me [06:15] <f_newton> tsk [06:15] <alie> ok wait [06:15] <f_newton> and this is such a nice distro too [06:15] <alie> what file you are making a link to ? [06:15] <goldenfox> oh [06:15] <thoreauputic> dannyu502_: either - aptitude is a better choice probably :) [06:15] <supernix> when will they have the SATA issue resolved ? [06:15] <alie> f_newton, what file you are making link to ? [06:16] <TheGnome> ubuntu rules [06:16] <Thewarmachine> yeah iceman this sucks [06:16] <Thewarmachine> ubuntu does rule [06:16] <goldenfox> TheGnome: I'm a KDE user [06:16] <f_newton> alie, what are you trying to say? [06:16] <TheGnome> Thewarmachine, did you try the source [06:16] <IcemanV9> Thewarmachine: i got "connection failure error" [06:16] <alie> libjavaplugin_oji.so [06:16] <Thewarmachine> the source for what [06:16] <f_newton> ubuntu is a linux distro kids its not a king it doesnt rule squat and you should not worship it [06:16] <TheGnome> goldenfox, yeah thats cool...... i like kde too [06:16] <IcemanV9> guess trw is better day to try it again :/ [06:16] <Thewarmachine> iceman i got the same error [06:17] <alie> f_newton, this file should be linked as a symbolic link [06:17] <TheGnome> f_newton, shut up [06:17] <TheGnome> f_newton, i worship as i like [06:17] <f_newton> childish [06:17] <TheGnome> f_newton, i worship debian actually.... [06:17] <Thewarmachine> f-newton stop trolling [06:17] <goldenfox> f_newton: are you a fedora user? [06:17] <f_newton> excuse me? accusing me of trolling? [06:17] <Thewarmachine> probably [06:17] <alie> f_newton, it is simple to configure and what you dont know then you dont say on that but no one worship it [06:17] <Thewarmachine> *thewarmachine sniggers* [06:18] <alie> f_newton, once you know you will like it [06:18] <dannyu502_> thoreauputic, crimsun, I recieve this message: root@ubuntu:/usr/src/ndiswrapper-1.2# apt-get install linux-headers-$(2.6.10-5-686) bash: 2.6.10-5-686: command not found [06:18] <Thewarmachine> thoreauputic can I have one!?!? [06:18] <alie> f_newton, you are linux user be patient ;) [06:18] <volvoguy> ksmurf, you can't really hurt anything by trying. if it fails, just edit your xorg.conf file really quick and restart x. i kinda wouldn't expect it to work personally, considering the current state of breezy. [06:18] <TheGnome> oh the n00b f_newton is pissed [06:18] <Thewarmachine> lol thegnome [06:18] <f_newton> alie ive probably been using linux longer then youve been alive [06:18] <ksmurf> Kay I'll try [06:18] <Angel-SL> :/ [06:18] <crimsun> dannyu502_: no, don't put 2.6.10-5-686 inside $() [06:18] <Angel-SL> I git the LIVE cd [06:18] <Thewarmachine> then f-newton don't be such an elitist pig [06:18] <Angel-SL> just [06:18] <thoreauputic> dannyu502_: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) (literally) [06:19] <Thewarmachine> look whos l337 [06:19] <volvoguy> ksmurf, let us know how it goes. :) [06:19] <Thewarmachine> lol [06:19] <Angel-SL> IT DOENT boot! [06:19] <dannyu502_> oooooo lol [06:19] <f_newton> you children are impossible [06:19] <Thewarmachine> I AM YOUR GOD [06:19] <Thewarmachine> MUAHAHAH [06:19] <f_newton> and you Thewarmachine are offensive and rude [06:19] <TheGnome> f_newton, you old men are impossible .......... look at how you are acting [06:19] <Thewarmachine> But for the good of the channel lets stay on topic [06:20] <TheGnome> yes ....on topic please [06:20] <volvoguy> Angel-SL, it doesn't boot at all, or does it boot and fail at some point? [06:20] <thoreauputic> guys, ----> /j #flamewars [06:20] <f_newton> ah whats the matter kids? you want to poke but yer too afraid to get poked? [06:20] <f_newton> yep debianites all right [06:20] <TheGnome> f_newton, how about this..........your gonna die way before me.........LOL [06:20] <Thewarmachine> LOL [06:21] <f_newton> yes but I lived a life [06:21] <iiiears> larts all [06:21] <Thewarmachine> a miserable one [06:21] <crimsun> this is digressing into off-topic flaming. Keep the discussion apropos to Ubuntu support issues. [06:21] <TheGnome> yeah but i have one still to live [06:21] <f_newton> I didnt pretend one in front of a crt [06:21] <TheGnome> neither do i [06:21] <Thewarmachine> you jealous?1 [06:21] <f_newton> not of dweebs no [06:21] <crimsun> f_newton: / Thewarmachine: / TheGnome: that means all of you. [06:21] <Thewarmachine> ok as I was saying [06:21] <Thewarmachine> crimsun I wasnt trying to [06:22] <Thewarmachine> read my earlier messages [06:22] <crimsun> feel free to flame away in #ubuntu-offtopic, but keep this channel on-topic. [06:22] <f_newton> is there a room where I can get relevant answers to my problems or must I just take it somewhere else? [06:22] <Thewarmachine> I dont want to lol [06:22] <alie> how to configure xfce as my default desktop ? [06:22] <iiiears> ahem - please add to the helpful converstion here. - crimsun (a channel op) just offered a friendly reminder [06:22] <crimsun> alie: sudo aptitude install xfce4 [06:23] <Thewarmachine> what do you need f_newton [06:23] <alie> i just did apt-get xfce [06:23] <crimsun> alie: then just choose Xfce from the GDM Session menu [06:23] <Thewarmachine> perhaps I can be of some help [06:23] <alie> oh ok [06:23] <crimsun> alie: no, not 'xfce'. You need 'xfce4'. [06:23] <TheGnome> i dont understand why people who use winblows are nice and linux users are dicks [06:23] <volvoguy> f_newton, what's your question again. i missed it. [06:23] <alie> what is aptitude ? [06:23] <Thewarmachine> thegnome.... so long as im a foot long ..... [06:23] <Thewarmachine> lol [06:23] <TheGnome> i ask a question in here sometimes and all i get are retarded dick head answers [06:23] <alie> crimsun, what is aptitude [06:23] <Thewarmachine> same here the gnome [06:23] <crimsun> alie: aptitude is an application that manages packages. [06:23] <f_newton> I have said I cant get java to work... I installed the bin, ran the symlink and it simply wont work. [06:24] <alie> crimsun, thanks for the help [06:24] <iiiears> linux users are often sleep deprived getting their box to work "just right" - lol [06:24] <TheGnome> f_newton, in firefox [06:24] <TheGnome> f_newton, ? [06:24] <crimsun> f_newton: I think you'll find the package 'java-package', which is in multiverse, to be of use. [06:24] <f_newton> the hoary extras repo is dead so I cant use the synaptic way [06:24] <^thehatsrule^> hmm... lol i always use apt-get etc... whats teh diff btwn aptitude and the others? [06:24] <Thewarmachine> one of them is [06:24] <killahkosha> Err wow, haven't burned a cd in a long time, for burning the install iso should it be disc-at-once or track-at-once? [06:24] <Angel-SL> volvoguy: it says Boot from CD: and i press ENTER but it boots into the hdd instead [06:24] <f_newton> crimsun I have to build it? [06:24] <Thewarmachine> but the mirrormax one is intact [06:24] <crimsun> ^thehatsrule^: aptitude tends to be more intelligent regarding dependencies and recommendations. [06:25] <crimsun> f_newton: java-package takes care of generating a deb from the rpm or tgz that you download. [06:25] <iiiears> aptitude is a bit smarter at getting all the packages you need [06:25] <^thehatsrule^> hm, just wondering, would synaptic be using aptitude then? [06:25] <volvoguy> f_newton, i think i used the instructions on the wiki. the version hasn't changed significantly since that was written has it? [06:25] <amonkey> i'm trying to install gst-jpeg2000 for gaim-vv and i keep getting qpaintdevice errors. anyone kow what that is? [06:25] <volvoguy> Angel-SL, Hoary or Breezy? [06:25] <Angel-SL> 5.** [06:25] <TheGnome> f_newton, ive been using linux a whole 3 months and have java working flawless.........mr..."ive been using linux before you were born" [06:25] <Angel-SL> eh [06:25] <f_newton> I used the standard installation of the bin and creating a symlink [06:25] <Angel-SL> the hedgehog [06:26] <f_newton> I could alien -d a rpm if that would work [06:26] <Thewarmachine> or alien -d -i [06:26] <budluva> can anyone suggest a good sfv checker? [06:26] <f_newton> TheGnome, i have java working in redhat, mdk, suse etc [06:27] <volvoguy> Angel-SL, so you get the splash screen, hit enter, and it goes straight into whatever you have on your hdd? [06:27] <TheGnome> f_newton, yeah the pussy distro's [06:27] <budluva> i know of a good windows sfv checker, but none for linux [06:27] <crimsun> budluva: cfv [06:27] <iiiears> md5sum? [06:27] <f_newton> TheGnome, be careful who you fk withy\ [06:27] <volvoguy> TheGnome, dude. chill. [06:27] <budluva> crimsun, thanks [06:27] <crimsun> budluva: or more generally, apt-cache search sfv [06:27] <crimsun> budluva: (or aptitude search sfv) [06:27] <Angel-SL> volvoguy: it just sayd Boot From CD: i hit enter and it boots into windows which is in my hdd [06:27] <TheGnome> f_newton, are you threatening me? [06:27] <PurpleMotion> i have java working just fine in ubuntu [06:28] <PurpleMotion> just follow the wiki [06:28] <Gatton> goodnight ubuntu worshippers [06:28] <Thewarmachine> thegnome: i think I smell a challenge..... [06:28] <thoreauputic> TheGnome: just drop it - it's tedious and distracting [06:28] <Gatton> and you too f_newton ;) [06:28] <PurpleMotion> are you two actually going to get into an online penis waving contest? i mean comeon people.. how old are we here? [06:28] <garyc> read the stuff at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba still can't share my printer [06:28] <TheGnome> ok bitch to me becuase i get threatened [06:28] <killahkosha> Yeah my printer is totally lacking Linux support, blah [06:28] <f_newton> ya know... aww forget it. its not worth the trouble of dealing with you pinhead [06:28] <Thewarmachine> purplemotion: you would too if yours was as large as mine [06:28] <iiiears> TheGnome - Relax, - get a cold drink and don't worry. easy to be ignored here difficult to be booted. [06:28] <Thewarmachine> lol [06:29] <Angel-SL> volvoguy: hello? [06:29] <Thewarmachine> i apologize [06:29] <volvoguy> Angel-SL, i have to say i've never seen that happen before. it'll take someone smarter than me to troubleshoot that. [06:29] <PurpleMotion> Thewarmachine: your sister isnt complaining ;) [06:29] <Thewarmachine> shes dead thanks [06:29] <PurpleMotion> that always sucks when it backfires on you [06:29] <PurpleMotion> my bad [06:29] <Angel-SL> volvoguy: i think something is wrong with the burn. [06:29] <garyc> I have samba and shared folders - printer is installed but can't figure out how to share printer [06:29] <iiiears> the ignore button is worn shiny - doh! [06:29] <Angel-SL> i used RAW [06:29] <Thewarmachine> its ok [06:29] <Angel-SL> not TAO or whatever is there [06:30] <Angel-SL> i have 2 machines now [06:30] <Angel-SL> 3rd one is debian [06:30] <crimsun> Angel-SL: (I burn isos using DAO) [06:30] <TheGnome> ok sorry guys.........but it seems like you guys are a little pissy [06:30] <PurpleMotion> i always answer with "I don't have a sister, just a feminine brother, you fscking qu...." welly ou get the idea [06:30] <garyc> share printer on a windows network????? [06:30] <volvoguy> Angel-SL, what are you using to burn it? i use nero at 4x speed (as slow as it'll go) and DAO (disc at once). burn speed seems to really effect the final disc for some reason. [06:30] <ksmurf> !nvidia breezy [06:30] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, ksmurf [06:31] <ksmurf> !breezy [06:31] <ubotu> somebody said breezy was the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/ [06:31] <Angel-SL> i use 40x, k3b (i use linux to do stuff [06:31] <Angel-SL> ) [06:31] <PurpleMotion> volvoguy: for some reason? it should be pretty obvious.. the slower the burn speed, the more time the laser gets to spend burning in each bit... [06:31] <volvoguy> ksmurf, no nvidia love i take it? [06:31] <garyc> share printer on a windows network????? - got to be a command sudo smb?????? [06:31] <PurpleMotion> the faster you burn, the 'lighter' an impression it makes [06:31] <ksmurf> vovlvoguy no nvidia love [06:31] <^thehatsrule^> garyc: you have to config it first afaik [06:31] <ksmurf> :< [06:31] <Angel-SL> well [06:31] <Angel-SL> speed i used is auto [06:31] <volvoguy> PurpleMotion, well yeah, there's that. ubuntu seems to be more picky than other things though. [06:32] <Angel-SL> so k3b takes 40x out [06:32] <PurpleMotion> volvoguy: here, here [06:32] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, very untrue [06:32] <garyc> thehatsrule: how [06:32] <iiiears> garyc - did the ubuntuguide.org page help? [06:32] <garyc> no [06:32] <Thewarmachine> psp is based on bsd!?!?! [06:32] <Angel-SL> :o [06:32] <PurpleMotion> TheGnome: very true. i promise. and it's stright fromt he guys at plextor :) they use it as a selling point that their lasers produce MORE power the faster you burn to provide a consistent burn quality across different speeds [06:33] <garyc> I read it all no help [06:33] <volvoguy> Angel-SL, i haven't used k3b yet, but i've burned iso's with gnomebaker at 4x that have worked ok. [06:33] <ksmurf> volvoguy now for my next trick the n00b tries and install the nvidia driver. time to be pwned by my computer. [06:33] <Angel-SL> but the guys at #Debian recommended k3b [06:33] <garyc> samba claims to be a file and print server [06:33] <PurpleMotion> This is my kung-fu, and it is strong. [06:33] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, yeah cuz they want you to buy there stuff...lol you sucker [06:34] <ksmurf> TheGnome was it you compiling the nvidia kernal yesterday? [06:34] <^thehatsrule^> garyc: well ive used it... but i used lineighborhood as a gui to conf mine [06:34] <volvoguy> ksmurf, it's pretty straightforward. just run the installer and edit xorg.conf. you may want to uninstall the breezy universe version first though. [06:34] <killahkosha> ok, looking all around in the installer, how do i resize ntfs partition? [06:34] <goldenfox> how can i change the screen res of my ubuntu? [06:34] <IcemanV9> k3b (kde app) and gnomebaker (gnome app) - both work just fine on my box [06:34] <iiiears> garyc - samba is what you need. - it works the samba config can be confusing. - thank god for people posting examples. [06:34] <TheGnome> ksmurf, naw....i have an ati [06:35] <ksmurf> volvo I will unistall the uni version right away...... [06:35] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, im A+ certified [06:35] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, i know [06:35] <ksmurf> TheGnome want a sapre 9600XT? [06:35] <ksmurf> spare [06:35] <PurpleMotion> TheGnome: actually there are demographics and thousands of lab hours of r&d from virtually every underlying optical media company that back plextor's claim 110%. What plextor doesnt mention is that only three or four of the intermediate level burner makers DONT use the very same technology.. although, plextor did invent the technology [06:35] <HrdwrBoB> wow, A+ [06:35] <garyc> I need an examole right now [06:35] <volvoguy> Angel-SL, k3b should work just fine. my only suggestion would be to try a slower burn. [06:35] <HrdwrBoB> garyc: of what? [06:36] <volvoguy> ksmurf, volvoguy want a spare 9600XT. :D [06:36] <garyc> It should be a menu selection - I thought [06:36] <TheGnome> HrdwrBoB, that among alot of others [06:36] <PurpleMotion> TheGnome: and that cert is supposed to mean jack shit? dude I have fifteen years REAL WORLD on the job working experience int his field, dont even try to challenge me on standards and hardware specifics. I'll take on an A+ certified tech IN MY SLEEP [06:36] <TheGnome> HrdwrBoB, including linux [06:36] <HrdwrBoB> TheGnome: I'm not certified in a damn thing [06:36] <PurpleMotion> TheGnome: which linux cert? [06:36] <garyc> hrdwrbob I am trying to share my printer [06:36] <HrdwrBoB> garyc: with? [06:36] <HrdwrBoB> a windows machine? [06:36] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, redhat at the moment] [06:36] <bimberi> killahkosha: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forum/installation/Partitioning [06:37] <garyc> windows network [06:37] <HrdwrBoB> ok [06:37] <HrdwrBoB> yes, you want samba [06:37] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, want to get more [06:37] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, cuz i dont like rpm [06:37] <HrdwrBoB> garyc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba [06:38] <PurpleMotion> yah, im gonna get my lpic-2 in a few months, then i may actually go for my CCSIE [06:38] <TheGnome> HrdwrBoB, yeah the A+ exam is really easy.....you would pass no prob i bet [06:38] <Alakala> Guys guys, fighting over the internet is like running in the "special" olympics. Even if you win, your STILL retarded. (So don't argue. ;)) [06:38] <PurpleMotion> yeah, A+ is a joke [06:38] <TheGnome> HrdwrBoB, stupid questions like how many pins does a ps/2 mouse have [06:38] <garyc> HrdwrBoB: I have samba folder share is seen by xp and 98 machines [06:38] <PurpleMotion> but I'm right about the burners.. I read all those whitesheets and mttf reports [06:38] <iiiears> lol [06:39] <garyc> HrdwrBoB: I donl't see how to share the printer [06:39] <PurpleMotion> but i control the urges [06:39] <Thewarmachine> hahah [06:39] <PurpleMotion> so its all good [06:39] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, yeah but you need a quality burner.......not like plextor [06:39] <Thewarmachine> if purplemotion is insane what am I [06:39] <PurpleMotion> but some of the shit that runs through my head, i KNOW i have to be crazy [06:39] <Angel-SL> sighs [06:39] <Angel-SL> i unplugged the hddd [06:39] <Thewarmachine> thegnoe what do you suggest [06:39] <Angel-SL> but still WONT boooot [06:40] <DukGalNamu> firefox seems to crash everytime i try to log out of yahoo, anyone have this before? [06:40] <Thewarmachine> dude ive got 1 [06:40] <Thewarmachine> 06 [06:40] <fr500> has anyone installed kguitar in ubuntu? [06:40] <Thewarmachine> and it works fine [06:41] <Thewarmachine> dukgalnamu try getting rid of your cache [06:41] <TheGnome> umm ........... believe it or not.....sony makes really good one [06:41] <Thewarmachine> what you think of philips? [06:41] <PurpleMotion> TheGnome: dude, plextor has always been one of the very best optical drive manufacturers... theyve consistently won consumers choice awards year after year, they maintain one of the all time highest mean-time-to-failure standards (some models sporting over 800,000 hours), and were the company who pioneered the 'output power based on burn speed' technology [06:41] <PurpleMotion> yeah, sony is #1 [06:41] <PurpleMotion> they always have been [06:41] <garyc> how do I share linux printer on a windows network????? [06:41] <garyc> I ahve samba [06:41] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, read reviews..........i had a plextor and the thing blew....but it could just have been that one [06:42] <TheGnome> garyc, did you add a new printer [06:42] <cyphase> hey everyone [06:42] <alie> i have downloaded ubuntu cd for x86 does it contain kde ? in it ? [06:42] <garyc> yes the printer is in [06:42] <Thewarmachine> cyphase greetings [06:42] <PurpleMotion> garyc: ont he windows machine where you're trying to map the printer, use your linux box's ip address instead of name [06:42] <crimsun> alie: you can install 'kubuntu-desktop'. [06:42] <TheGnome> garyc, did you type the servers ip address [06:42] <alie> crimsun, from where ? from the cd ? [06:42] <PurpleMotion> alie: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [06:42] <DukGalNamu> Thewarmachine: still does it [06:42] <crimsun> alie: from the Internet. [06:43] <Thewarmachine> thats odd [06:43] <alie> crimsun, my internet is very slow [06:43] <garyc> Oh no I browsed fo the printer and did not find it [06:43] <alie> crimsun, i can use only xchat :d [06:43] <crimsun> alie: there is also a Kubuntu ISO. [06:43] <alie> crimsun, oh ok [06:43] <alie> crimsun, so i download later [06:43] <PurpleMotion> TheGnome: yah, every company has their QC issues, and plextors is always hit or miss... but one thing ive always applauded about them is their return policy is exemplory(sp?) especially when you just want to exchange products [06:43] <DukGalNamu> Thewarmachine: i tried updating it too [06:43] <alie> crimsun, thanks [06:43] <PurpleMotion> they dont even make you pay shipping [06:43] <Thewarmachine> i dunno man [06:43] <ksmurf> K anyone want to hold my hand through the nvidia driver compile? [06:44] <alie> PurpleMotion, thanks too ;) [06:44] <dabar> hi [06:44] <ksmurf> hello [06:44] <PurpleMotion> hai dabar [06:44] <dabar> hows things goign here? [06:44] <PurpleMotion> ssdd dabar [06:44] <Thewarmachine> we almost started a flame war [06:44] <ksmurf> a liitle to the left [06:44] <DukGalNamu> firefox seems to crash everytime i try to log out of yahoo, anyone have this before? [06:45] <DukGalNamu> else [06:45] <DukGalNamu> that is [06:45] <Thewarmachine> had a similar problem [06:45] <Thewarmachine> but it was due to a destructive java api [06:45] <DukGalNamu> that could be it... [06:45] <Angel-SL> haha baking CD [06:45] <DukGalNamu> i have run alot of java stuff [06:45] <ksmurf> what is the easiest way to kill xsever? [06:45] <Thewarmachine> well run somesort of antivirus [06:46] <thoreauputic> ksmurf: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop [06:46] <Thewarmachine> i use fprot [06:46] <DukGalNamu> Thewarmachine: umm, is there an antivirus for ubuntu? [06:46] <Thewarmachine> and searched for any malware and that popped up [06:46] <DukGalNamu> why don't i just uninstall completely firefox [06:46] <DukGalNamu> and reinstall it [06:46] <Thewarmachine> go for it [06:46] <dabar> not just friends... [06:46] <DukGalNamu> save my bookmarks or something [06:46] <Thewarmachine> i dunno tho [06:47] <Thewarmachine> im almost sure its the java thing [06:47] <SimonVallore> Hello [06:47] <SimonVallore> could i get help [06:47] <SimonVallore> im trying to install a game called americas army [06:47] <TheGnome> AA is cool [06:47] <SimonVallore> yeah [06:47] <Angel-SL> POOoOo [06:47] <Angel-SL> GnomeBaker KEEPS FAILING! [06:47] <SimonVallore> but how do i install it on ubuntu [06:48] <Thewarmachine> angel your write speed is too high [06:48] <TheGnome> ./thenameoffile.run [06:48] <Angel-SL> no it wont start wringing [06:48] <TheGnome> Gnomebaker sucks [06:48] <Thewarmachine> i use graveman [06:48] <Angel-SL> bl; [06:48] <DukGalNamu> Thewarmachine: is there some sort of way i can get firefox to give me more command line feedback [06:48] <DukGalNamu> ? [06:48] <Angel-SL> I WILL ASKM PFRRMF NRUKMJCFKURKDFJITUKDMIR [06:48] <thoreauputic> Angel-SL: you can try graveman instead - some people prefer it [06:48] <SimonVallore> where do i need to put the file for ./thenameoffile.run [06:48] <IcemanV9> SimonVallore: check the wiki page on AA - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AmericasArmy [06:48] <Thewarmachine> i dunno if there is a debug mode.... [06:49] <DukGalNamu> hey thoreauputic! [06:49] <dabar> Is that a war game? [06:49] <anthony> hello, anyone can help ? new ubunta installation ,Internet downloads start at 6 kb /sec thenslows down to 1 kb / sec. Can I speed it up? Dial up service.56 k, Is this suitable for ubunta or any linux stuff? [06:49] <dabar> ubuntu [06:49] <Thewarmachine> anthony broaband is the way to go [06:49] <DukGalNamu> thoreauputic: is there some sort of verbose setting for firefox, casue it keeps crashing even after a reinstall [06:49] <anthony> cool thanks [06:50] <Thewarmachine> n [06:50] <thoreauputic> DukGalNamu: I don't know - is this the firefox from backports? [06:50] <Thewarmachine> np [06:50] <volvoguy> Angel-SL, i kinda hate to say it but i seem to always fall into the "just works" category - including gnomebaker, so i can't really help troubleshoot. can you just use k3b at a slower speed? [06:50] <FunnyLookinHat> I just installed ubuntu on my ibm T43 and after it went through everything and was about to show the login screen, all I have is a blank screen... if I hit enter a few times it makes the little bump bump bump noise, so I know it's at the login prompt... but it's not showing it. It did the same thing with liveCD... any ideas? [06:50] <DukGalNamu> i don't think so [06:50] <Thewarmachine> i really think graveman is the way to go [06:51] <IcemanV9> FunnyLookinHat: breezy?? [06:51] <goldenfox> any idea guys how to change the screen res in gnome? [06:51] <dirty> Thewarmachine: can graveman handle iso? [06:51] <FunnyLookinHat> IcemanV9: ???? [06:51] <mrquick> anyone awake? [06:51] <dirty> goldenfox it may be a xorg issue [06:51] <mrquick> oh good [06:51] <IcemanV9> hoary or breezy? [06:51] <thoreauputic> DukGalNamu: what does dpkg -l firefox say ? (it should say it can't find it) [06:51] <zovirl> so, it looks like the ubunto boost packages don't come with the program_options library. Anyone know why? [06:51] <anthony> Any speed below 3 kb / sec is not an option [06:51] <goldenfox> xorg issue? [06:52] <Thewarmachine> i dont know actually [06:52] <goldenfox> dirty: xorg issue? whats that? [06:52] <volvoguy> if all else fails you could just try cdrecord, but i've never had the need to use it. [06:52] <DukGalNamu> thoreauputic: yup saus it can't find it [06:52] <killahkosha> Ok, phew, installed. [06:52] <dirty> goldenfox: try system>preferences>screen resolution first [06:52] <thoreauputic> DukGalNamu: OK so it probably isn't from backports... [06:52] <IcemanV9> FunnyLookinHat: i've tried breezy to test on 2nd box .. came up with a blank screen (same as yours) [06:52] <dirty> goldenfox: if that doesnt work ill help you with xorg [06:52] <PurpleMotion> if you use k3b, trust me, youve used cdrecord [06:52] <bimberi> killahkosha: good to hear :) [06:52] <killahkosha> Eww...grub is really really ugly [06:53] <Thewarmachine> it works [06:53] <killahkosha> lilo on mandrake used to always look all pretty like :) [06:53] <PurpleMotion> yeah it is i still use lilo [06:53] <thoreauputic> DukGalNamu: try doing sudo apt-get remove --purge mozilla-firefox, then reinstall it [06:53] <DukGalNamu> thoreauputic: Thewarmachine seems to think its a java app [06:53] <FunnyLookinHat> IcemanV9: So how could that help me? [06:53] <thoreauputic> DukGalNamu: very possible [06:53] <goldenfox> dirty: didnt work... only shows 640x480. I cant see 800x600 or higher [06:53] <dirty> goldenfox: poor resolution could be due to drivers [06:53] <IcemanV9> FunnyLookinHat: use hoary, not breezy [06:53] <Thewarmachine> thoreauputic I had the same problem [06:53] <mrquick> I got wierd issue, I have a realtek 8139 card, and for some strane reason the kernel is loading the 8139too and the 8139cp modules, they seem to not be working well together either as I can't get any net activity, my question is, since neither module is in /etc/modules, how do I keep one of them from being autoloaded? [06:53] <dirty> goldenfox: what sort of video card are you using? [06:53] <DukGalNamu> thoreauputic: where are the bookmarks so that i can save them [06:53] <FunnyLookinHat> IcemanV9: I am using Hoary. [06:53] <FunnyLookinHat> I tried both liveCD and now hoary... neither worked. [06:54] <PurpleMotion> wow thats a good question [06:54] <thoreauputic> DukGalNamu: ~/,mozilla/firefox (somewher in there - an html file) [06:54] <thoreauputic> *somewhere [06:54] <Thewarmachine> mrquich thats in the ubuntuguide i think [06:54] <PurpleMotion> i dont think /etc/modules is where you wanna look
 well, i followed the direction on the ubuntu forums about mapping special key codes and they made it so i couldnt logon, i had to go to rescue mode and undo everything, id like to set my multimedia codes but the directions were crappy if there are better directions out there that actually work [06:54] <PurpleMotion> ill check [06:54] <goldenfox> dirty: geforce2 [06:54] <crimsun> if anyone has suggestions for glick_, please message him privately. [06:54] <PurpleMotion> Thewarmachine: please dont recommend the guide :) everything there is available ont he wiki [06:54] <mrquick> Thewarmachine, is that on the ubuntu website? [06:54] <Thewarmachine> nah [06:54] <goldenfox> dirty: InnoVision TNT2 64MB [06:54] <PurpleMotion> !ubuntuguide [06:54] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned [06:55] <dirty> goldenfox: im new to ubunbtu, i also have a nvidia card. let me check to see what drivers are used be default [06:55] <goldenfox> dirty: okay [06:55] <PurpleMotion> i like the ubuntuguide, but its not n00b friendly at all [06:55] <Thewarmachine> lol [06:56] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: im with you, but i can really understand where they're coming from [06:56] <ATI_RAGE_> Howdy Everyone [06:56] <crimsun> there's nothing wrong with recommending ubuntuguide as long as you provide a disclaimer that it lacks explanation for consequences. [06:56] <thoreauputic> ubuntuguide is fine for people who understand what they are doing [06:56] <goldenfox> any hardcore ubuntu users here? [06:56] <iiiears> emacs or ubuntuguide. - oops thats emacs or vi got confused. [06:56] <mrquick> I've been using debian for years, frankly ubuntu is so easy it's hard sometimes :-P [06:56] <TheGnome> goldenfox, it all i use [06:56] <bimberi> it's also someone's genuine attempt to produce something that helps people [06:56] <TheGnome> goldenfox, besides debian on my old pc [06:56] <D-N-A> ubuntu download server is dropped [06:56] <D-N-A> :| [06:56] <goldenfox> nah [06:57] <goldenfox> i just downloading updates now [06:57] <Thewarmachine> what do you folks think of f-prot [06:57] <Thewarmachine> ? [06:57] <goldenfox> Thewarmachine: im using f-prot and its cool [06:57] <Thewarmachine> then you should perhaps check out xfprot [06:57] <D-N-A> i downloaded the iso after 60% it doesn't connect [06:57] <dirty> goldenfox: i imagine xorg is using the nv driver [06:57] <thoreauputic> crimsun: I know who made that factoid, and I think it should be reworded, but I suspect changing it is pointless since it would get changed back... [06:57] <Thewarmachine> ts a great gui [06:58] <IceDC571> i just noticed.. the sound quality of alsa is so much better than on creative drivers in windows.. how the hell is this possible? :) [06:58] <dave_> Can anyone help me? [06:58] <goldenfox> dirty: xorg? [06:58] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: i changed the w32codecs factoid today ;) [06:58] <dirty> goldenfox: you need to use the "nvidia" for better resolutions [06:58] <TheGnome> Thewarmachine, i now have your background image as my wallpaper [06:58] <dabar> iiiears: nice, is that a jab at Razor-X? [06:58] <Thewarmachine> lol thegnome [06:58] <PurpleMotion> !w32codecs [06:58] <dirty> goldenfox: xorg, is what gnome uses [06:58] <PurpleMotion> but now it msgs you with it [06:58] <iiiears> lol - hm.. could be.. - grin [06:58] <SimonVallore> guys how do i allow accesss to a file through chmod [06:58] <dave_> I just recently installed ubuntu and I currently have no sound can anyone help me with this? [06:58] <bimberi> !+w32codecs [06:58] <ubotu> somebody said w32codecs was set of codecs needed to play common audio/video formats (wmv etc). You can install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org). AMD64? See: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399 See: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats for legal issues concerning w32codecs [06:58] <SimonVallore> and ive read the guide but dont understand [06:58] <goldenfox> dirty: where can i change that? [06:58] <SimonVallore> guys how do i allow accesss to a file through chmod [06:58] <crimsun> dave_: cat /proc/asound/cards [06:59] <PurpleMotion> glad someone knows how to work that friggen bot [06:59] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: yeah, it's too long so ubotu sends it to /msg [06:59] <PurpleMotion> oh [06:59] <thoreauputic> hmm - ah no he doesn't ! [06:59] <SimonVallore> guys how do i allow accesss to a file through chmod [06:59] <IceDC571> i havent been here for weeks, i see a lot of new people [06:59] <iiiears> w32codecs factoid is much too helpful and not obsucure and obfuscated like a linux instruction. [06:59] <bimberi> PurpleMotion: yes the "+" will keep it in the channel (use with care tho) [06:59] <thoreauputic> bimberi: does the + suppress /msg ? [06:59] <dirty> goldenfox: you need to modify your /etc/X11/xorg.conf [06:59] <TheGnome> w32codecs are a must have [07:00] <thoreauputic> oops too slow :) [07:00] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: more like overrides it i think [07:00] <dirty> goldenfox: but first you need to insure you have the nvidia driver [07:00] <Thewarmachine> what is a really fast dvd ripper [07:00] <bimberi> :) [07:00] <SimonVallore> hello [07:00] <TheGnome> Thewarmachine, dvdrip [07:00] <SimonVallore> will some one help me [07:00] <dabar> SimonVallore: what file? [07:00] <crimsun> SimonVallore: your question is unclear [07:00] <IceDC571> dvdrip is like the only answer for a gui dvd ripper these days [07:00] <SimonVallore> how do i chmod a file to allow full access [07:00] <Thewarmachine> how do I rip the whole disk at once [07:00] <dabar> man chmod will help you, yes. [07:00] <SimonVallore> a file on my desktop [07:00] <PurpleMotion> IceDC571: that should tell you something [07:00] <dabar> tell us about the file. [07:01] <SimonVallore> its americas army game [07:01] <IceDC571> i used to have a cli encoder that worked so well at decryption, too bad i have such a stupid memory and cant remember what i used [07:01] <fr500> SimonVallore, sudo chmod 777 file_name [07:01] <Thewarmachine> thoggen? [07:01] <PurpleMotion> if it's on his desktop, nobody is going to be able to get to it to view it regardless of its permissions [07:01] <dabar> ok, did you chmod +x filename it? [07:01] <fr500> SimonVallore, but be careful [07:01] <PurpleMotion> he has to chmod its parent directory [07:01] <dabar> altho I hate to help someopne play a war game... [07:01] <SimonVallore> why what will happen [07:01] <PurpleMotion> or rather the directory it resides in [07:01] <TheGnome> Thewarmachine, hey ..........thoggen is pretty good too [07:01] <Thewarmachine> is it? [07:02] <fr500> SimonVallore, be careful on what files u use that [07:02] <goldenfox> dirty: ok. i will try [07:02] <TheGnome> Thewarmachine, it only rips to ogg though [07:02] <fr500> use it only for personal files [07:02] <SimonVallore> thank you so much man [07:02] <PurpleMotion> 777 is dangerous [07:02] <dabar> SimonVallore: man chmod will also tell you. [07:02] <SimonVallore> why [07:02] <IceDC571> do you any of you think i should switch to ext3 from reiserfs? [07:02] <PurpleMotion> that gives _world_ readability to your file [07:02] <Thewarmachine> I laugh in the face of danger [07:02] <PurpleMotion> if its ont he desktop, do this [07:02] <IceDC571> wow i cant type today [07:02] <dabar> not readability, deleteability, and such. [07:03] <PurpleMotion> right click the file, select properties, then select permissions [07:03] <PurpleMotion> you can set it world-readable but not world-writable for example [07:03] <Thewarmachine> im not thewarmachine for nothing you know [07:03] <SimonVallore> why is 777 dangerous [07:03] <dirty> goldenfox, let me test to see if the base system has the nvidia driver before you change it [07:03] <dirty> goldenfox: ill be back in a few minutes [07:03] <Thewarmachine> I love bluetooth vulnerability [07:03] <Thewarmachine> ;p; [07:03] <SimonVallore> and whats a good firewall for ubuntu [07:03] <mrquick> does anyone know specifically how one goes about blacklistin modules in hotplug? [07:03] <goldenfox> dirty: okay [07:03] <PurpleMotion> because it makes the file readable, writable, and executable by everyone [07:03] <IceDC571> SimonVallore, um.. firestarter + iptables [07:03] <Thewarmachine> iptables [07:04] <SimonVallore> it doesnt apt get i tried [07:04] <SimonVallore> i tried to get fire starter [07:04] <IceDC571> doesnt iptables come default? [07:04] <DukGalNamu> thoreauputic: still doesn't work [07:04] <iiiears> SimonVallore - right click on any file and use the gui to set permissions. - it shows the changing chmod numbers. - neat eh? [07:04] <Thewarmachine> yup i think so [07:04] <killahkosha> uhhh...wow...no clue what is going on, just did my first bootup of ubuntu and it was going through all of the stuff with installing the deb's and whatnot, and then it got to where it said starting gdm, then all of a sudden my screen became filled with like a tye-dye pattern, what should I do? [07:04] <shaun_> goldenfox: it doesnt [07:05] <DukGalNamu> thoreauputic: do you have a yahoo account? [07:05] <DukGalNamu> does anyone have a yahoo account? [07:05] <PurpleMotion> define a tye dye pattern [07:05] <thoreauputic> DukGalNamu: well, the problem is more likely to be a plugin or extension I think [07:05] <PurpleMotion> i have yahoo [07:05] <SimonVallore> guys how do i get firestarter [07:05] <PurpleMotion> why? [07:05] <thoreauputic> DukGalNamu: no, no Yahoo account [07:05] <Thewarmachine> i do dukgalnamu [07:05] <SimonVallore> aptget doesnt work for getting it [07:05] <IceDC571> well the easiest method is to post their Xorg crash log [07:05] <DukGalNamu> PurpleMotion: try logging out with firefox [07:05] <mrquick> killah, you should hit ctrl+alt+f1 and run the xorgconfig program manually [07:06] <PurpleMotion> just did it [07:06] <PurpleMotion> what was supposed to happen? [07:06] <Thewarmachine> get fprot [07:06] <thoreauputic> SimonVallore: it's in universe, and you only need it if you run services/ servers really [07:06] <SimonVallore> does an y one know how i can get firestarter [07:06] <Thewarmachine> and the frontend xfprot [07:06] <PurpleMotion> SimonVallore: apt-get install firestarter [07:06] <TheGnome> anybody use anything other than xchat and konversation? [07:06] <TheGnome> anybody use anything other than xchat and konversation? [07:06] <TheGnome> oops [07:06] <SimonVallore> but i dont wanna get rooted [07:06] <PurpleMotion> (twisted firestarter) [07:06] <SimonVallore> or hacked [07:06] <Thewarmachine> thegnome gaim [07:06] <SimonVallore> like with windows [07:06] <goldenfox> Im using xchat [07:06] <mrquick> TheGnome, I sometimes use gaim [07:06] <PurpleMotion> yeah gaim is a nice irc prog actually [07:06] <TheGnome> Thewarmachine, that does irc? [07:07] <mrquick> yup [07:07] <Thewarmachine> yeah [07:07] <PurpleMotion> i love bagns [07:07] <IceDC571> PurpleMotion, are you really Computer__Guru? [07:07] <thoreauputic> SimonVallore: ubuntu ships with all ports "closed" (ie not listening) [07:07] <TheGnome> wow [07:07] <Thewarmachine> ive got 1.05 [07:07] <iiiears> add "universe communitty supported" to your repositories then apt-get firestarter or synaptic search and apply. [07:07] <PurpleMotion> IceDC571: on yahoo, yeah [07:07] <Thewarmachine> 1.50 [07:07] <IceDC571> actually i thought i saw that name used here too [07:07] <Thewarmachine> i compile most of my progs myself [07:07] <PurpleMotion> yeah you did [07:07] <thoreauputic> SimonVallore: a firewall only helps if something is listening on the internet interface [07:07] <PurpleMotion> .o(01:07:41): -NickServ- Last Seen Address: ~jay@cpe-24-26-139-222.columbus.res.rr.com [07:08] <Thewarmachine> thoreauputic, so what do we do if tha isnt the case [07:08] <SimonVallore> ohh [07:08] <SimonVallore> so im like safe [07:08] <TheGnom1> hah [07:08] <TheGnom1> im two people [07:08] <IceDC571> anyone using rhythmbox 0.9? i want to know whats new but they were too lazy to write up a changelog... lame [07:08] <thoreauputic> Thewarmachine: if you are running a server of some kind, then yes, a firewall is indicated [07:08] <TheGnome> thats cool [07:08] <dabar> I have installed dnsmasq, and ipmasq. I changed the /etc/network/options file to show ip_forward=yes. The /etc/dnsmasq.conf has been set up to work as a dhcp server. Also, I have tried setting up a .rul file in /etc/ipmasq/rules, one to allow dhcp requests. I am trying to connect a Mac computer using DHCP. The Mac gets an IP address, and the correct one, that I set up for that MAC address in dnsmasq.conf. However, it can not ping the Li [07:08] <Thewarmachine> i have the firewall gig [07:09] <Thewarmachine> i use nessus too [07:09] <TheGnom1> hmm.....i kinda like gaim [07:09] <PurpleMotion> yeah [07:09] <IceDC571> they need to update it to 1.50... [07:09] <Thewarmachine> and i was thinking of snort [07:09] <PurpleMotion> \its nice [07:09] <Thewarmachine> i have 1.50 [07:09] <killahkosha> default su password == ? [07:09] <dirty> goldenfox: you need to system>administration>synaptic package manager [07:09] <IceDC571> Thewarmachine, i love compiling :) [07:09] <dirty> goldenfox: and then search for nvidia [07:09] <Computer__Guru> <-- PurpleMotion [07:10] <Computer__Guru> on gaim [07:10] <thoreauputic> SimonVallore: if you start running a webserver, or ssh or ftp etc, then you need a firewall - otherwise don't worry [07:10] <Computer__Guru> gaim -v: [07:10] <Computer__Guru> Gaim 1.4.0 [07:10] <Thewarmachine> apt-get build-dep gaim [07:10] <goldenfox> dirty: ok [07:10] <Thewarmachine> then compile away [07:10] <Thewarmachine> I love it [07:10] <TheGnom1> sweet [07:10] <TheGnom1> wait [07:10] <Computer__Guru> Thewarmachine: do you have bangexec? [07:10] <Thewarmachine> gaim -v [07:10] <TheGnome> there we go [07:10] <IceDC571> i think its strange how gaim wont display the version number until you sign in, in the gui that is [07:10] <Thewarmachine> ? [07:10] <dirty> goldenfox: tell me once you have the package [07:10] <Computer__Guru> !command [07:10] <TheGnome> yeah gaim is wicked cool [07:10] <ubotu> Computer__Guru: Not a clue [07:10] <Computer__Guru> example [07:11] <Computer__Guru> cat /proc/version: [07:11] <Computer__Guru> Linux version 2.6.10-5-686 (buildd@vernadsky) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)) #1 Fri Jun 24 17:33:34 UTC 2005 [07:11] <Computer__Guru> that was the result of !cat /proc/version [07:11] <IceDC571> i still want outside direct connect support in gaim [07:11] <TheGnome> wait [07:11] <TheGnome> i cant have multiple rooms in gaim? [07:11] <goldenfox> dirty: there are 4 nvidia here.. what will i choose? [07:11] <Computer__Guru> there's !command to /say the results, !!command to echo them locally, and !!!command to send !command to the channel [07:11] <Computer__Guru> TheGnome: sure [07:12] <TheGnome> how? [07:12] <Computer__Guru> TheGnome: /join #Room1,#Room2 [07:12] <IceDC571> does the /server -m command work in gaim? [07:12] <Thewarmachine> !command gaim -v [07:12] <ubotu> Thewarmachine: I haven't a clue [07:12] <Computer__Guru> or when it asks for your room, type #Room1,#Room2 [07:12] <TheGnome> Hey thanks [07:12] <Computer__Guru> it's just !gaim -v [07:12] <Computer__Guru> gaim -v: [07:12] <Computer__Guru> Gaim 1.4.0 [07:12] <Computer__Guru> if you havent compiled bangexec then you dont have it [07:12] <IceDC571> why are you typing gaim -v all the time?.. im confused lol [07:12] <TheGnome> how do i tell which gaim version i have? [07:13] <Thewarmachine> ohhh [07:13] <IceDC571> gaim -v in the command line [07:13] <Computer__Guru> IceDC571: I was illustrating a point [07:13] <Thewarmachine> !!!command gaim -v [07:13] <ubotu> Thewarmachine: I don't know [07:13] <IceDC571> gaim -v [07:13] <Computer__Guru> hahah [07:13] <Computer__Guru> you gys [07:13] <Thewarmachine> lol [07:13] <Thewarmachine> wtf [07:13] <Computer__Guru> if you dont have bangexec plugin compiled for gaim [07:13] <Computer__Guru> it wont work [07:13] <Thewarmachine> lol [07:13] <TheGnome> gaim -v [07:13] <Thewarmachine> i know [07:13] <IceDC571> yeah i think they were hoping this channel would tell them what version of gaim they have [07:13] <TheGnome> in term [07:14] <thoreauputic> /exec -o gaim -v [07:14] <TheGnome> 1.4.0 [07:14] <SimonVallore> does an y one know how i can get firestarter [07:14] <dirty> goldenfox: give me a second im reading some docs in the wiki [07:14] <thoreauputic> ?exec -o gaim -v [07:14] <TheGnome> is that the latest [07:14] <thoreauputic> hahah [07:14] <idleminds> !!synaptic [07:14] <ubotu> idleminds: Syntax error in line 1 [07:14] <dirty> goldenfox: we might not need those [07:14] <killahkosha> how i kill xorg? [07:14] <sn0n> Gaim 1.1.4 [07:14] <sn0n> LoL [07:14] <idleminds> !synaptic [07:14] <ubotu> synaptic is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto [07:14] <IceDC571> well.. do it the stupid way, go to synaptic and search for gaim [07:14] <sn0n> thats nice [07:14] <killahkosha> or restart xorg [07:14] <Computer__Guru> cat /rpoc/cpuinfo | grep -i name && cat /proc/meminfo | grep -i memtotal && uptime: [07:14] <Computer__Guru> cat: /rpoc/cpuinfo: No such file or directory [07:14] <Computer__Guru> durp [07:14] <Thewarmachine> gaim -v [07:14] <Thewarmachine> Gaim 1.5.0 [07:14] <TheGnome> 1.4.0 ........i compiled it [07:14] <sn0n> roflao [07:14] <sn0n> fuck [07:14] <IceDC571> killahkosha, Ctrl+Alt+Backspace [07:14] <goldenfox> dirty: thanks for the big help.. I'm downloading nVidia Drivers pal. :) [07:14] <sn0n> now i have a new addiction [07:14] <Thewarmachine> GET 1.5.0 [07:15] <sn0n> /exec [07:15] <sn0n> lol [07:15] <Computer__Guru> cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i name && cat /proc/meminfo | grep -i memtotal && uptime: [07:15] <Computer__Guru> model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz [07:15] <Computer__Guru> MemTotal: 386224 kB [07:15] <Computer__Guru> 01:14:58 up 21:31, 2 users, load average: 0.24, 0.14, 0.11 [07:15] <TheGnome> Thewarmachine: did it just come out? [07:15] <Thewarmachine> a while ago [07:15] <Thewarmachine> 1wk? [07:15] <thoreauputic> 15:15:29 up 54 days, 23:33, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 [07:15] <Thewarmachine> i got it the day it came out [07:15] <thoreauputic> :) [07:15] <sn0n> fresh install thou [07:16] <TheGnome> Thewarmachine: ok i compiled this like two weeks ago.........hold on [07:16] <TheGnome> brb [07:16] <IceDC571> Thewarmachine, reiser or ext3? [07:16] <sn0n> Gaim 1.1.4 [07:16] <goldenfox> What if I dont have internet connection? And some drivers needs internet connection? oh boy... [07:16] <sn0n> hrmmm [07:16] <sn0n> weird [07:16] <IceDC571> Gaim 0.6.1 [07:16] <Thewarmachine> icedc why? [07:16] <IceDC571> Thewarmachine: i dont know... what are you using? [07:17] <Thewarmachine> which comp we referring to? [07:17] <Thewarmachine> this one is ext3 [07:17] <Thewarmachine> i think [07:17] <IceDC571> okay thats neat [07:17] <Thewarmachine> why? [07:17] <IceDC571> i think reiser is causing problems for me [07:17] <Thewarmachine> lol [07:17] <Thewarmachine> perhaps [07:18] <Computer__Guru> damn, 49 updates [07:18] <IceDC571> im using xfs on my external hard drive.. just because i like the name [07:18] <Thewarmachine> god knows the other comp is weird [07:18] <Computer__Guru> brb [07:18] <dirty> goldenfox: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29 [07:18] <Thewarmachine> f****** opteron [07:18] <Thewarmachine> yeah baby [07:18] <IceDC571> hahaha im using a sempron [07:18] <IceDC571> like this is any better [07:19] <Thewarmachine> ive melted my cpu so many times [07:19] <SimonVallore> how do i find out wich version of x im on [07:19] <dirty> goldenfox: i just modprobe nvidia and set nvidia in xorg instead of nv [07:19] <Thewarmachine> ... [07:19] <SimonVallore> how do i find out wich version of x im on [07:19] <SimonVallore> how do i find out wich version of x im on [07:19] <IceDC571> i went to fry's.. i hate that place.. and i was like can i get an athlon xp, they dont know what that is [07:19] <goldenfox> dirty: thanks again [07:19] <sn0n> anyone an avid RhythmBox user ? [07:19] <Thewarmachine> im broke now [07:19] <zerboxx> sn0n: I was [07:19] <sn0n> i wanna set systemwide hotkeys to change songs.. how can i? [07:19] <Thewarmachine> simon don't do that [07:19] <IceDC571> sn0n: i would be once i find out what the changelog in 0.9 is [07:19] <SimonVallore> i need to install video crivers [07:19] <Thewarmachine> xorg -v? [07:19] <IceDC571> sn0n: why do you ask? [07:19] <thoreauputic> SimonVallore: don't repeat - and the answer is X -version [07:20] <Thewarmachine> lol [07:20] <sn0n> like Ctrl + Shift + R = next song, or Ctrl + Shift + E = previous song [07:20] <zerboxx> IceDC571: I know, I wonder why they don't state the changes [07:20] <Thewarmachine> i stand corrected [07:20] <Thewarmachine> whats a good media player other than rhythmbox [07:20] <Thewarmachine> ? [07:20] <sn0n> Muine is nice [07:20] <IceDC571> The_Vox: muine [07:20] <IceDC571> yeah [07:20] <sn0n> Banshee [07:20] <thoreauputic> SimonVallore: note the upper case X [07:20] <SimonVallore> ok [07:20] <Thewarmachine> muine? what is?! [07:21] <IceDC571> but one of the dependencies apt-get doesnt tell you about for muine is libdbus-cil [07:21] <sn0n> also.. Sonance is nice [07:21] <sn0n> but i can never get it working right [07:21] <sn0n> but i LOVE the UI [07:21] <IceDC571> if you're on kde.. amarok [07:21] <thoreauputic> SimonVallore: on hoary it would be 6.8.2 I think [07:21] <Thewarmachine> kde?! [07:21] <IceDC571> theres also beep media player [07:21] <goldenfox> now my problem is the root [07:21] <Computer__Guru> i like xmms :) [07:21] <SimonVallore> HOW do i install .rpms [07:21] <IceDC571> if you like winamp/xmms style [07:21] <Thewarmachine> reminds me too much of windows [07:21] <Computer__Guru> but im an old habits die hard type [07:22] <Thewarmachine> ive got beep,xmms. [07:22] <Computer__Guru> SimonVallore: ideally, you don't. [07:22] <Thewarmachine> audacity for editing [07:22] <SimonVallore> uh [07:22] <Computer__Guru> SimonVallore: i always try to convert them to deb's first [07:22] <thoreauputic> SimonVallore: you don't usually - I think you are using the wrong package [07:22] <SimonVallore> but my video drivers are in rpm format [07:22] <Computer__Guru> oh god.. must be nvidia [07:22] <TheGnome> ok [07:22] <SimonVallore> https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27 [07:22] <thoreauputic> SimonVallore: which drivers? nvidia? ati? [07:22] <TheGnome> now i have 1.5.0 [07:22] <Thewarmachine> xfce4 and enlightenment dr17 [07:22] <SimonVallore> nope radeon [07:22] <Computer__Guru> oh ati [07:22] <TheGnome> WOOOOOOOOOOO [07:22] <thoreauputic> !ati [07:23] <ubotu> it has been said that ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI [07:23] <TheGnome> xfce4 is cool [07:23] <Thewarmachine> w00t! [07:23] <thoreauputic> SimonVallore: ^^^^ [07:23] <iiiears> SimonVallore, - search until you are sure it isn't available. - then alien -d -i ,yourpackage> [07:23] <Computer__Guru> SimonVallore: get the package independant one at the top, and it contains an option to build a package :) [07:23] <TheGnome> yeah dude........gaim irc looks great [07:23] <Thewarmachine> rpm.pbone.net [07:23] <iiiears> rpm conversion is hit or miss [07:23] <Thewarmachine> try it with the tenebrific sys theme [07:23] <TheGnome> :-D smilies and everything [07:23] <sn0n> http://sonance.aaronbock.net/ [07:23] <Thewarmachine> :-D8-) [07:24] <sn0n> the screenshots [07:24] <sn0n> http://sonance.aaronbock.net/screenshots/shots/0.2.1/01_Main_Player_Window.png [07:24] <sn0n> its PERFECTLY what im looking for [07:24] <Thewarmachine> it reminds me of rhythmbox [07:24] <sn0n> but the UI has changed in the more recent versions [07:24] <Computer__Guru> glxinfo | grep direct: [07:24] <Computer__Guru> direct rendering: Yes [07:24] <sn0n> sonance is mono [07:24] <ethan_> hi again [07:24] <TheGnome> i cant believe how good gaim irc looks [07:25] <Thewarmachine> its sleek [07:25] <SimonVallore> linux is so cumbersome [07:25] <Thewarmachine> shut up [07:25] <Thewarmachine> you can't be so negative [07:25] <Dr_Willis> it is? [07:25] <TheGnome> cumbersome? [07:25] <Dr_Willis> never noticed.. [07:25] <TheGnome> no [07:25] <IceDC571> TheGnome: you dare me to try gaim irc? [07:25] <Dr_Willis> compared to the crud i have to do with windows on a regular basis. [07:25] <sn0n> TheGnome, its broken thou.. LoL [07:25] <TheGnome> linux........imo is way better [07:25] <thoreauputic> SimonVallore: only until you get used to it - then it becomes powerful and easy [07:25] <Computer__Guru> sonance is pretty [07:26] <Thewarmachine> really work at it or you will be consumed by gates [07:26] <Computer__Guru> what formats does it support? [07:26] <TheGnome> sn0n: how so? [07:26] <Computer__Guru> and will it play shoutcast stuff? [07:26] <ethan_> TheGnome, [07:26] <SimonVallore> ok i installed that deal now what [07:26] <ethan_> lol [07:26] <Thewarmachine> man i think i like kde the least right now [07:26] <Dr_Willis> i use xmms at the soutcast.com site I think all the time. [07:26] <sn0n> its just... weirdly.. implemented [07:26] <ethan_> TheGnome, I have concluded that I believe it is my hard drive. [07:26] <TheGnome> ethan_: what? [07:26] <Computer__Guru> SimonVallore: did you do as it said for hoary? [07:26] <ethan_> hello [07:26] <sn0n> Thewarmachine, go gnome :-D [07:26] <Thewarmachine> lol [07:26] <Computer__Guru> I love kde [07:26] <SimonVallore> i did what you said to to [07:26] <TheGnome> ethan_: ahh yeah thats what i think [07:26] <killahkosha> Ok, so I booted up in "recovery mode" and I finally got to the console where I typed in "xorgconfig" to which in reply i get "command not ofund" [07:26] <Computer__Guru> SimonVallore: did you see the wiki? [07:27] <Thewarmachine> man i like the gdesklets thing [07:27] <thoreauputic> SimonVallore: read the bot's URL [07:27] <Computer__Guru> SimonVallore: watch ubotu [07:27] <goldenfox> is there any default password for root? i can't login with root [07:27] <thoreauputic> !ati [07:27] <ubotu> it has been said that ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI [07:27] <Computer__Guru> ati: [07:27] <Computer__Guru> sh: ati: command not found [07:27] <Computer__Guru> err [07:27] <Computer__Guru> yeah what ubotu said [07:27] <Doonz> glftpd users around? [07:27] <Thewarmachine> ive got this rss newsreader thing thats totally kickass [07:27] <Dr_Willis> i got the ati drivers working in about 5 min. under ubuntu. following that guide. [07:28] <Thewarmachine> ive got bbc world, wired slashdot [07:28] <SimonVallore> ok [07:28] <Thewarmachine> all at the same time [07:28] <SimonVallore> it says ill need to restart [07:28] <Computer__Guru> i installed the latest and greatest from ati and also had no problems [07:28] <Computer__Guru> yes, you will [07:28] <Thewarmachine> I detest macs [07:28] <IceDC571> Computer__Guru: does sonance support some type of gapless playback? [07:28] <Computer__Guru> osx is nice [07:28] <Thewarmachine> bsd is nice [07:29] <Computer__Guru> i have no clue.. iw as just asking what all it supports [07:29] <Thewarmachine> mac is the interface [07:29] <goldenfox> i cant login with root. anybody knows if there's a default pass? i think ubuntu did not prompt me to set password to root [07:29] <SimonVallore> brb guys [07:29] <SimonVallore> gonna reboot [07:29] <thoreauputic> !root [07:29] <ubotu> somebody said root was disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo [07:29] <Dr_Willis> goldenfox, its the users password. [07:29] <skalpel> does ssh support resumed downloads? [07:29] <thoreauputic> goldenfox: ^^^ [07:29] <Dr_Willis> and you DONT login straight to root. [07:29] <killahkosha> god [07:29] <killahkosha> this ubuntu sucks right now [07:29] <iiiears> ubotu nvidia is also quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29 [07:29] <ubotu> iiiears: okay [07:29] <killahkosha> i guess i'll reboot for the 50th time and see if that helps [07:29] <Thewarmachine> shit if this sucks try slackware! [07:30] <Thewarmachine> i like slackware [07:30] <goldenfox> Dr_Willis: what do you mean users? i have one user and it is ok. but when i try to login as root, i can get through [07:30] <killahkosha> heh, if this goes on i'll just go back to using windows, god at least it works [07:30] <thoreauputic> killahkosha: this isn't windows - rebooting rarely helps [07:30] <Thewarmachine> HATE MANDRAKE AND MANDRIVA [07:30] <Prowl3r> I think Ubuntu takes a bit of time to get used to [07:30] <Prowl3r> But it is very well done [07:30] <killahkosha> Well at least with other distro's after you install them, they just work [07:30] <Thewarmachine> linux takes time to get used t [07:30] <killahkosha> no errors and crap [07:30] <TheGnome> sn0n: how is it broken? [07:30] <killahkosha> Yes, I've used Linux for years, bleh [07:31] <Dr_Willis> goldenfox, the ONE user is the one allowed to 'sudo' - you do NOT login to 'root' directly from the LOGIN: prompt.. check the faq. [07:31] <killahkosha> but then I heard about how great ubuntu is supposed to be [07:31] <Thewarmachine> killahkoshka where you from? [07:31] <killahkosha> kent, wa [07:31] <Thewarmachine> no ethnically speaking [07:31] <bimberi> killahkosha: are you still in recovery mode? [07:31] <killahkosha> noah, not anymore [07:31] <killahkosha> Now I rebooted and went into the normal mode [07:31] <killahkosha> and my screen flickered a few times trying to start X [07:31] <killahkosha> and now this message came up [07:32] <Thewarmachine> killa where (ethnically) are you from [07:32] <Thewarmachine> ? [07:32] <Computer__Guru> brb [07:32] <PurpleMotion> okay im back [07:32] <PurpleMotion> wanted to log off of irc via gaim [07:32] <iiiears> thor - where is au? - oops only kidding round [07:32] <Thewarmachine> in america you are american lol [07:32] <killahkosha> I am half Jewish and half German... [07:32] <Thewarmachine> ah [07:32] <skalpel> does ssh support resumed downloads? [07:33] <killahkosha> "I cannot start the X server.....on and on....Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?" So I try to hit enter and nothing happens, I wonder why nothing happens to I press left and right and nothing happens [07:33] <killahkosha> So now what? [07:33] <volvoguy> i'm from Oakland Township, Oakland County, State of Michigan, United States of America. how's that? :) [07:33] <Thewarmachine> thoreauputic what about you? [07:33] <Thewarmachine> where you from? [07:33] <Thewarmachine> lol volvoguy [07:33] <TheGnome> ok [07:33] <Thewarmachine> im from the bronx new york [07:33] <sn0n> TheGnome, it just dont seem to work [07:33] <thoreauputic> Thewarmachine: Australia [07:33] <TheGnome> sn0n: works great here [07:34] <sn0n> TheGnome, wont install for one, and when i got it too.. it crashed alot [07:34] <MrPockets> eyy, how does one direct connect to an AIM user via Gaim? [07:34] <Thewarmachine> i have a house in melbourne [07:34] <SimonVallore> Hello [07:34] <Thewarmachine> i want to move there [07:34] <SimonVallore> now americas army wont work [07:34] <bimberi> killahkosha: <ctrl><alt>F1 [07:34] <TheGnome> is the new AA out? 2.4? [07:35] <iiiears> SimonVallore, - more details. how is it broken? [07:35] <killahkosha> ctrl+alt+f1 does nothing [07:35] <Thewarmachine> betcha im the only one in the bronx who uses linux! [07:35] <bimberi> killahkosha: <ctrl><alt>F2 ? [07:35] <SimonVallore> no but im haveing trouble starting it it splashes the picture and then the pictures goes away [07:35] <killahkosha> bimberi, ctrl+alt+f2 does nothing [07:35] <bimberi> killahkosha: no login prompt? [07:36] <SimonVallore> how do i uninstall it ? [07:36] <SimonVallore> then reinstalll [07:36] <Thewarmachine> what do you guys think of the israelis pulling out of gaza? [07:36] <killahkosha> nope, no login prompt [07:36] <iiiears> SimonVallore, - just curious. - does glxgears typed in a console give you good numbers? [07:36] <killahkosha> its just stuck at this [07:36] <killahkosha> frozen [07:36] <SimonVallore> whats good numbers [07:36] <TheGnome> Thewarmachine: your from the bronx? [07:37] <Thewarmachine> yessir! [07:37] <iiiears> 1,000+ fps [07:37] <TheGnome> Thewarmachine: ive been there [07:37] <Thewarmachine> lol [07:37] <bimberi> killahkosha: hm - not good - what about <ctrl><alt><backspace> [07:37] <Thewarmachine> hated it didntcha? [07:37] <SimonVallore> its going up hoold on [07:37] <Thewarmachine> i wouldnt change it for the world [07:37] <TheGnome> Thewarmachine: i was there too little of time [07:38] <thoreauputic> ;) [07:38] <SimonVallore> 361 fps [07:38] <iiiears> heh [07:38] <killahkosha> wow, ctrl+alt+backspace is a weird one, it like, kinda changed what the screen looked like, made the red selector status go over to No [07:38] <Thewarmachine> mind you im 6'4 and have a beard [07:38] <killahkosha> I tried pressing it again though and it did nothing [07:38] <Thewarmachine> did I mention im whie lol [07:38] <SimonVallore> any one know how i can fix my aa [07:38] <Thewarmachine> thoreauputic: lol [07:38] <bimberi> killahkosha: ok - now try <ctrl><alt>F1 again [07:38] <killahkosha> nothing [07:39] <iiiears> SimonVallore, - guessing you need to enable acceleration for your video card (fairly new? ) [07:39] <bimberi> grr [07:39] <killahkosha> well i mean it did nothing [07:39] <Thewarmachine> man this dvorak shit sux [07:39] <SimonVallore> yeah its fairly new [07:39] <SimonVallore> radeon 9000 series [07:39] <SimonVallore> how do i do t hat ? [07:39] <iiiears> SimonVallore, what type of card. [07:39] <bimberi> i know [07:39] <IceDC571> im going to try irc in gaim [07:39] <sn0n> Thewarmachine, you gotta dvorak keyboard ? [07:39] <Thewarmachine> yeah [07:39] <sn0n> how is it? [07:39] <SimonVallore> radeon 9000 series [07:39] <Thewarmachine> it takes some getting used to [07:40] <sn0n> i was debating getting one [07:40] <Madpilot> !ati [07:40] <ubotu> it has been said that ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI [07:40] <iiiears> SimonVallore, - arghh i only know nvidia. - ubotu has a link [07:40] <sn0n> or making my own from a old keyboard [07:40] <iiiears> !ati [07:40] <Thewarmachine> and it was a bitch to get working [07:40] <killahkosha> Well I suppose i will reboot again and go into recovery mode again [07:40] <bimberi> killahkosha: bear with me - i'm booting another box into recovery mode (in the meantime if anyone else has ideas... ) [07:40] <TheGnome> thoreauputic: no way.......................!!!!!!!!!!!! [07:40] <thoreauputic> *grin* [07:40] <Thewarmachine> thoreauputic irssi is your choice? [07:41] <sn0n> i prefer x-chat [07:41] <bimberi> killahkosha: you might as well [07:41] <TheGnome> xchat is cool [07:41] <thoreauputic> Thewarmachine: ou of X, irssi - in X I use xchat mostly [07:41] <TheGnome> but gaim [07:41] <IceDC571> wow.. gaim irc does look pretty, but it still feels like im chatting in a small message box [07:41] <TheGnome> wooooooooooo hoooooooooooooooo [07:41] <Thewarmachine> ice fullscreen it [07:41] <MrPockets> IceDC571 i feel like its too big :-X [07:41] <iiiears> gaim isn't very flexible. [07:42] <Thewarmachine> iiiears it isnt? [07:42] <thoreauputic> gaim is indded limited for IRC [07:42] <Thewarmachine> do it like firefox and plugin [07:42] <MrPockets> you can interface gaim with IRC? [07:42] <TheGnome> does what i need it to [07:42] <sn0n> firefox and plugin? [07:42] <IceDC571> wonderful.. now all my message boxes are stretched out too [07:42] <iiiears> yep gaim irc [07:42] <Thewarmachine> lol [07:42] <thoreauputic> MrPockets: yes you can [07:42] <IceDC571> im switching back to x-chat lol [07:42] <skalpel> can someone tell me what this error means? gproftpd: [07:42] <skalpel> Package gproftpd has no available version, but exists in the database. [07:42] <skalpel> This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list [07:42] <Thewarmachine> ice that shouldnt happen [07:43] <SimonVallore> ohh great [07:43] <MrPockets> well ill be a stick in a tad pole race... [07:43] <MrPockets> i learn something from you fellas every day [07:43] <thoreauputic> skalpel: most likely your sources are wrong [07:43] <Thewarmachine> lol [07:43] <SimonVallore> i now have fucking ati cdrivers installed on a fucking viatech chipset [07:43] <Thewarmachine> watch it simon [07:43] <SimonVallore> how do i fix it [07:43] <skalpel> thoreauputic: what should i do, compare my list against someone else? [07:44] <thoreauputic> !source [07:44] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, thoreauputic [07:44] <Thewarmachine> atleast your compter dosn think its vanilla debian [07:44] <thoreauputic> haha [07:44] <iiiears> ouch [07:44] <thoreauputic> !sources [07:44] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [07:44] <thoreauputic> skalpel: the second URL might help [07:44] <SimonVallore> how do i uninstall drivers [07:44] <Thewarmachine> the great thing about linux is that it is in Albanian [07:44] <bimberi> killahkosha: once you're in recovery mode "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" [07:44] <skalpel> thoreauputic: where is souces.list storeD? [07:45] <killahkosha> ok in recovery mode I booted it up, typed "sudo startx", and so it popped up really quickly but went back to the console, the error it shows "(EE) xf86openserial: cannot open device /dev/mouse no such file or directory." [07:45] <killahkosha> ok [07:45] <Thewarmachine> and you have no Idea the difficulty of the language [07:45] <thoreauputic> Thewarmachine: really? I wondered why I couldn't understand it... [07:45] <thoreauputic> *g* [07:45] <Thewarmachine> lol [07:45] <prestonc> anyone know how to do a search for wireless acess points under ubuntu? [07:45] <killahkosha> one second, let me reboot again, frozen again [07:45] <thoreauputic> skalpel: /etc/apt/sources.list [07:45] <bimberi> killahkosha: you'll be asked lots of questions, read carefully, but the defaults are usually pretty good [07:45] <killahkosha> is this going to launch up the xorgconfig again? [07:45] <Thewarmachine> are most of you at least 6' tall? [07:45] <Thewarmachine> 1.8 m? [07:45] <iiiears> SimonV - let me apologize if i misunderstood. - thought you said ati 9000 card. [07:46] <bimberi> killahkosha: yes (but not using that actual command) [07:46] <Madpilot> Thewarmachine: is that some sort of requirement to use Ubuntu that I missed? ;) (I'm 5'11"...) [07:46] <thoreauputic> Thewarmachine: I used to be before I started using Linux - the weight of learning it shrunk me to 5' 7" [07:46] <Thewarmachine> absolutely! [07:47] <Thewarmachine> lol [07:47] <Thewarmachine> i fried my brain with solaris [07:47] <Thewarmachine> GRRR [07:47] <Thewarmachine> im a damn giant man [07:47] <windex> i save my brain frying sessions for work with windows 2k3. [07:47] <killahkosha> err, 128mb in kilobytes, i know it isn't 128,000 exactly, what is it? [07:47] <windex> the linuxes and unixes of the world are the easy part. [07:47] <Madpilot> windex: much more efficient - at least you get paid to fry your brain... [07:47] <Thewarmachine> lol [07:47] <windex> Madpilot, exactally. [07:48] <_frank> 128*1024 kilobytes [07:48] <Thewarmachine> windex whats harder? [07:48] <thoreauputic> !128**2 [07:48] <ubotu> 16384 [07:48] <thoreauputic> hmm wrong [07:48] <bimberi> killahkosha: 131072 [07:48] <TheGnome> !128 [07:48] <Thewarmachine> !128*1024 [07:48] <ubotu> TheGnome: Not a clue [07:48] <ubotu> 131072 [07:48] <Madpilot> !128*2 [07:48] <ubotu> 256 [07:48] <thoreauputic> that's it [07:48] <thoreauputic> :) [07:48] <killahkosha> :) thanks [07:48] <bimberi> :) [07:49] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: you had two ** thingies in there [07:49] <killahkosha> frame buffer or no? [07:49] <windex> Thewarmachine, honestly? linux gives more descriptive errors, and better troubleshooting interfaces. windows 2k3, good luck troubleshooting why your machine hard locks on login. [07:49] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: yeah I know [07:49] <Tarcastil> hey, I'm trying to replace a package I used apt-get for with a package I built. Is there a good packaging guide to help me out? [07:49] <prestonc> anyone know how to do a search for wireless acess points under ubuntu? I'm trying to decide between Ubuntu and CentOS and right now this is the deciding factor. The first time I installed ubuntu it just found my AP I setup. I thought that was handy for like hotspots and stuff, but I can't reproduce it. [07:49] <skalpel> thoreauputic: i changed my sources.list and reloaded, but i still get this error: gproftpd: [07:49] <Thewarmachine> lol [07:49] <skalpel> Package gproftpd has no available version, but exists in the database. [07:49] <skalpel> This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list [07:50] <Thewarmachine> solaris is like homemade alcohol [07:50] <thoreauputic> !info gproftpd [07:50] <IceDC571> wait who is Computer__Guru now? [07:50] <Thewarmachine> when thrown in the face it burns the eyes [07:50] <thoreauputic> skalpel: no such package I'm afraid [07:50] <TheGnome> anyone here try opensolaris [07:50] <Thewarmachine> yup [07:50] <thoreauputic> skalpel: sorry i should have checked before telling you your sources were wrong [07:51] <windex> Thewarmachine, solaris is easier than windows to troubleshoot. [07:51] <Thewarmachine> kinda [07:51] <Madpilot> Thewarmachine: and when drunk it kills brain cells wholesale? [07:51] <Thewarmachine> yeah [07:51] <Thewarmachine> man im toasted totally [07:51] <Thewarmachine> lol [07:51] <windex> Thewarmachine, it's just a diffrent platform and you have to know its internals [07:51] <skalpel> thoreauputic: it is okay, i figured it was worth a try. odd though. i have used gproftpd before [07:51] <Thewarmachine> its a miracle [07:51] <skalpel> thoreauputic: i had it installed on this computer [07:51] <TheGnome> is solaris good? [07:51] <thoreauputic> skalpel: try apt-cache search proftpd [07:51] <killahkosha> Err, ok, I am at the mouse configuration. I have a standard usb optical mouse that is hooked up to my USB keyboard which has a USB hub built in, so how should I figure out which mouse port to select? [07:51] <thoreauputic> skalpel: it might have a different package name [07:52] <Thewarmachine> solaris is a carcnogen [07:52] <skalpel> thoreauputic: same error. i think it had something to do with a faulty uninstall on my part [07:52] <Thewarmachine> man its nearly 2am here [07:52] <bimberi> killahkosha: try /dev/input/mice (this time) [07:52] <Thewarmachine> i gotta go [07:52] <Thewarmachine> and plot to take over the universe [07:52] <Thewarmachine> take it easy folks [07:54] <TheGnome> how do i figure out my routers ip........in irc [07:55] <killahkosha> bimberi, "(EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device" [07:55] <windex> TheGnome, you need the address you connect to IRC as? [07:56] <TheGnome> windex: yeah [07:56] <windex> TheGnome, /whois TheGnome [07:56] <windex> TheGnome, it may show up in your server window. [07:57] <TheGnome> 8-) [07:57] <windex> TheGnome, your hostname is the part after the @ [07:57] <^Simon^> Hello [07:57] <bimberi> killahkosha: hm - what's your video card? [07:57] <thoreauputic> TheGnome: 24.128.148.122 [07:57] <^Simon^> How do i reconfigure x [07:57] <TheGnome> thoreauputic: thanks [07:58] <^Simon^> whats the command [07:58] <killahkosha> Nvidia Geforce 6600GT [07:58] <thoreauputic> ^Simon^: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [07:58] <TheGnome> thoreauputic: thank ou [07:59] <thoreauputic> TheGnome: you're welcome :) [07:59] <killahkosha> Wow, so I went through the whole thing again and this time said no to framebuffer enabling [07:59] <killahkosha> now when i start x [07:59] <killahkosha> I have a bunch of vertical green lines [07:59] <killahkosha> and the background color is a white that turns into grey [08:00] <bimberi> Wow indeed :| [08:01] <Madpilot> killahkosha: does the vid card work with other OSes? that sounds like a damaged video card to me... [08:01] <TheGnome> ok brb [08:01] <skalpel> i get strange video distortion when starting X can someone help me? [08:01] <TheGnome> ok [08:01] <windex> thoreauputic, give a man a fish, feed him for a day. teach a man to fish... [08:01] <killahkosha> Yep, my video card works great under Windows XP [08:01] <TheGnome> xchat is better] [08:02] <thoreauputic> windex: quite right - and you gave him the right lesson before I handed him the fish :) [08:03] <TheGnome> im sick of people saying..........but my stuff worked so good under Xp...........this is linux it is different [08:03] <TheGnome> im sick of people saying..........but my stuff worked so good under Xp...........this is linux it is different [08:03] <PurpleMotion> http://www.daede.com/2x3Desktop.jpg [08:03] <TheGnome> oops [08:03] <TheGnome> oops [08:03] <PurpleMotion> opinions, please [08:03] <TheGnome> killahkosha, what vid card u got? [08:03] <bimberi> killahkosha: bear with me ... [08:04] <didjital> yo [08:04] <killahkosha> Nvidia Geforce 6600GT [08:04] <thoreauputic> ;) [08:04] <windex> PurpleMotion, if only chrysler was cool enough to build that thing. [08:04] <PurpleMotion> windex: they did. and you can buy it for eight hundred thousand dollars [08:04] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: is that six seperate desktops, or 3x twin monitor setups [08:04] <PurpleMotion> six desktops [08:05] <windex> PurpleMotion, they built one and auctioned the prototype didn't they? [08:05] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: which WM? gnome currently (in hoary, anyway) doesn't support multiple wallpapers... [08:05] <TheGnome> yeah gaim irc looks better....but xchat is more useable [08:05] <PurpleMotion> windex: yeah, but daimler said in a press release he'll build more for whoever wants one [08:05] <PurpleMotion> Madpilot: KDE, of course. [08:06] <TheGnome> kde sucks [08:06] <windex> PurpleMotion, heh. if only crysler was more respected. even ford is getting away with the GT40. [08:06] <PurpleMotion> beats the hell out of gnome :) [08:06] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: ah, ok. I really should try that Kubuntu liveCD I burned [08:06] <bimberi> killahkosha: is the box connected to the internet? [08:06] <PurpleMotion> windex: you seent he dodge tomahawk? [08:06] <killahkosha> bimberi, yep [08:06] <killahkosha> bimberi, the internet is working afaik [08:06] <skalpel> can someoen tell me why i would be unable to move folders or files to the trash? [08:06] <bimberi> apt-get install nvidia-glx [08:06] <windex> PurpleMotion, yes. too dangerous to ever make it to production. 4 wheel motorcycle? pushwah. [08:06] <skalpel> they belong to a different user [08:07] <bimberi> killahkosha: apt-get install nvidia-glx [08:07] <Tribune> i just download ubuntu. my monitor 17" but resolution set during installation 640... how can i set it to 1024? [08:07] <killahkosha> ok, let me restart again [08:07] <Madpilot> !resolution [08:07] <ubotu> from memory, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto [08:07] <bimberi> k [08:07] <Madpilot> Tribune: see ubotu above ^^^ [08:07] <PurpleMotion> windex: they made and sold ten of them :D I love daimlers philosophy concerning concept cars... 1) Don't build it unless it's production quality from day one, and 2) that way, if someone decides they want one, we can say "Sure, we'll build it right now" [08:08] <Tribune> ubotu? [08:08] <TheGnome> lol [08:08] <Tribune> where is it? [08:08] <Madpilot> ubotu tell Tribune about resolution [08:08] <TheGnome> anyone have any good screenshotd [08:08] <TheGnome> anyone have any good screenshots [08:08] <Madpilot> Tribune: look about two or three lines up from my comment [08:09] <SimonVallore> AMericas army still isnot working [08:09] <Dr_Willis> www.bigBustyBabes.com - Lots of screenshots there. [08:09] <Tribune> ok [08:09] <Tribune> thanks [08:09] <windex> PurpleMotion, again, that's great, but it's not sticking their neck out enough. if they offer a production version, even if only 100 are made, car magazines will review it. collectors will desire it. etc. [08:09] <Madpilot> TheGnome: I think you've seen mine, but here you go: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/warbard.png [08:09] <SimonVallore> can some one tell me how to reinstall my drivers [08:09] <SimonVallore> can some one tell me how to reinstall my drivers [08:09] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, actually if you look at the whole log people have been very unfair to me [08:09] <Madpilot> SimonVallore: drivers for what? [08:10] <SimonVallore> the ones some guy had me install and fucked my shit up [08:10] <TheGnome> Madpilot, yes and i love it [08:10] <TheGnome> Madpilot, what resolution do you use? [08:10] <killahkosha> Ok, I suppose it is all installed that "nvidia-glx" package [08:10] <PurpleMotion> I don't want to look at the log [08:10] <SimonVallore> apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx these drivers [08:10] <Madpilot> TheGnome: 1280x1024 [08:10] <PurpleMotion> but *I* have been nice to you, so leave me the hell alone [08:11] <PurpleMotion> you dont want to get into it with me. [08:11] <TheGnome> Madpilot, your bottom toolbar is bigger than your top.....right [08:11] <Madpilot> TheGnome: it is a bit bigger, isn't it? hadn't actually noticed that... [08:11] <bimberi> killahkosha: yes - now type "nvidia-glx-config enable" to enable it [08:11] <PurpleMotion> Madpilot: i like it.. VERY clean [08:11] <SimonVallore> some one please help me [08:11] <SimonVallore> can some one tell me how to reinstall my drivers [08:12] <PurpleMotion> well [08:12] <SimonVallore> i need to install via tech chipset drivers [08:12] <Tribune> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.custom <-- after doing this process.... reply sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.custom: command not found [08:12] <PurpleMotion> except the massive clutter on your top bar [08:12] <PurpleMotion> :D [08:12] <SimonVallore> can some one tell me how to reinstall my drivers [08:12] <PurpleMotion> hey madpilot [08:12] <SimonVallore> i need to install via tech chipset drivers [08:12] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: that beats having icons covering the entire desktop! - and all the rest of the clutter is on one of the other five desktops [08:12] <windex> SimonVallore, .. whooo the heck told you that xorg-driver-fglrx == via tech? i mean, i dont know how to tell you how to fix it (too new to ubuntu), but, that seems odd. just hang tight, i'm sure someone can help you. [08:13] <PurpleMotion> Madpilot: get me a job up there in canada.. i hate living in the us anymore [08:13] <the> can somone direct me to an irc noob roob...im a bit lost.... [08:13] <the> i do use ubuntu though [08:13] <Dr_Willis> the, google.com will have plenty of irc tutorials :P [08:13] <PurpleMotion> the: might as well stick here then [08:13] <Dr_Willis> not sure if there are any Beginner type irc rooms on this network actually. [08:14] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: you can always immigrate; we like immigrants. (they make good stew during the cold winters... ) ;) [08:14] <alie> hi i have set the screen resolution to another dpi and when i am trying to login to xfce4 the Xserver is getting hanged ? [08:14] <the> mm hmm [08:14] <alie> which file i need to configure [08:14] <alie> ? [08:14] <PurpleMotion> Madpilot: i think that would be called defecting on this side, and i'm 100% ready, but i want a job there first [08:15] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: depends on your field - start writing letters and stuff! [08:15] <PurpleMotion> yeah i think i will [08:15] <TheGnome> Madpilot, yea whats up with ur top bar? [08:15] <windex> bye kids [08:15] <windex> im going to bed. [08:15] <PurpleMotion> cause im done with this country and its perpetual fear machine [08:15] <the> bye [08:15] <Madpilot> TheGnome: lots of launchers, and lots of weather applets... [08:15] <killahkosha> ok, I did the enable thing [08:15] <killahkosha> so should i try to startx again? [08:15] <TheGnome> Madpilot, slide them all over...........thats what i would od [08:15] <mojo333> bah, sorry for noob question, but I need the command to delete the original ubuntu kernel in Hoary. I have a custom one, but I cant seem to delete the old one :( [08:15] <TheGnome> Madpilot, do [08:16] <alie> hi hi have just set the dpi with my xfce4 and now the xserver is getting hanged ? what ist the solution [08:16] <bimberi> killahkosha: yep - cross fingers first [08:16] <Dr_Willis> mojo333, you mean remove the entry from the grub boot menu? [08:16] <alie> i tried to set my x11/xorg.conf file but that doesnt worked [08:16] <the> now to figure out how to exit.... [08:16] <killahkosha> well it ssays nvidia [08:16] <killahkosha> and now i see an arrow [08:16] <killahkosha> and now it says ubuntu linux for human beings [08:16] <Madpilot> TheGnome: the launchers are actually clustered in a way that makes sense to me, not just spread randomly! [08:16] <killahkosha> :) :) :) :) :) :) :) [08:16] <mojo333> i already removed the entry from grub, I need to get rid of the kernel now [08:16] <killahkosha> thankyou so much [08:16] <killahkosha> Wow, it is finally working :) :) [08:17] <goldenfox> ubuntu installation did not ask for root password why? [08:17] <TheGnome> Madpilot, yeah i saw that just after [08:17] <bimberi> killahkosha: :) :) :) [08:17] <Madpilot> !tell goldenfox about root [08:17] <killahkosha> Now I will restart and do a normal bootup just to make sure everything works :) [08:17] <mojo333> I have two kernels, 386 and custom [08:17] <bimberi> killahkosha: k [08:17] <Madpilot> killahkosha: if it worked once, it *should* work again - but good luck! [08:17] <TheGnome> how do i recompile kernel to fit my system perfect? [08:17] <Dr_Willis> mojo333, - why bother. keep it as a backup/failsafe entry and kernel. [08:18] <killahkosha> phew, well, at least now I know what to do if I ever have to reinstall for some reason :) [08:18] <TheGnome> i need drugs [08:18] <Dr_Willis> TheGnome, use the --make_perfect option [08:19] <bimberi> killahkosha: there you go - a few steps up the (occasionally steep but rewarding) linux learning curve :) [08:19] <PurpleMotion> Madpilot: hell of a nice site you got there [08:19] <TheGnome> Dr_Willis, umm ........with what command [08:19] <PurpleMotion> Madpilot: i have a friend very into miniatures, you'd like her [08:19] <mojo333> Im not going to have to worry about applications trying to use anything in that kernel? [08:19] <killahkosha> :) yeah, I've been using linux for quite a few years, but this is the first time in a couple of months, and the first time with my new nvidia video card :) [08:20] <Ronan> How hard the installation for Ubuntu? [08:20] <TheGnome> easy [08:20] <TheGnome> very [08:20] <PurpleMotion> incredibly difficult [08:20] <DekaPink> I'm not impressed with my friend... She won't even so much as GLANCE at the Ubuntu live CD. [08:20] <Dr_Willis> TheGnome, with the MakeSystemPerfect command. [08:20] <Dr_Willis> :P [08:20] <Ronan> Ah, okay. Well, I'm going to install it. With me luck. [08:20] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: thanks, the site is mostly in maintance now, but I've had fun building it over the years [08:20] <PurpleMotion> people have been known to cut their wrists after trying to install ubuntu ;) [08:20] <bimberi> PurpleMotion: lol (but silly) [08:20] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: I don't think you're helping the cause, y'know... :) [08:21] <PurpleMotion> nah, its one of the easiest, most straightforward installers ive ever seen [08:21] <goldenfox> ah the sudo thing... [08:21] <Tribune> ok [08:21] <TheGnome> its not gui ......... but its very easy [08:21] <Tribune> my monitor fixed [08:21] <Madpilot> goldenfox: yeah, the sudo thing! [08:21] <PurpleMotion> brb [08:21] <Tribune> i can't mount my floppy and my Window HDD? Pls help [08:22] <Whistler> hi [08:22] <Dr_Willis> Tribune, theres several 'how to mount windows drives under linux' tutorials out. you simply edit your /etc/fstab file corectly [08:22] <TheGnome> hello [08:22] <iiiears> !winmac_fstab [08:22] <ubotu> well, winmac_fstab is A script that facilitates easy mounting of NTFS/FAT (Windows) and HFS+ (Mac) hard drives and partitions. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/ [08:22] <PurpleMotion> im back [08:22] <Dr_Willis> as for the floppy... well.. :P i dont have one any more [08:22] <Whistler> anybody can reccomend and audio player other than xmms? [08:23] <PurpleMotion> whats difficult about mounting hfs and ntfs? [08:23] <Dr_Willis> Whistler, thers several.. try them all/ [08:23] <Madpilot> floppies should automount - the twice I've used a floppy with Ubuntu, it just appeared when I shoved it in the drive [08:23] <Dr_Willis> PurpleMotion, notthing really [08:23] <TheGnome> Whistler, rythmbox [08:23] <iiiears> nothing after the first time [08:23] <TheGnome> Whistler, it is the default player....and very good [08:23] <Madpilot> Whistler: I like Muine for albums; Totem plays everything else including video [08:24] <the> how do i leave here!!!??? [08:24] <Whistler> rythmbox isnt aviable via apt-get? [08:24] <TheGnome> yeah totem-xine is great.....default sucks [08:24] <Dr_Willis> the, you useing xchat? [08:24] <TheGnome> Whistler, it is installed by default [08:24] <the> ya [08:24] <Madpilot> Whistler: do you have the Universe repos enabled? [08:25] <Dr_Willis> notice the HELP menu entry? :P notice the close buttons? [08:25] <iiiears> wb thorauputic [08:25] <the> curses [08:25] <Dr_Willis> :) [08:26] <thoreauputic> iiiears: :) [08:27] <Whistler> do you mean that i have rythmbox already installed? [08:27] <TheGnome> Whistler, you do......if your using ubuntu [08:27] <thoreauputic> Whistler: music player [08:27] <Madpilot> Whistler: Applications menu - Sound & Video - Music Player [08:27] <TheGnome> Rhythmbox [08:28] <Whistler> oh [08:28] <Whistler> :) [08:28] <TheGnome> not rythmbox [08:28] <iiiears> Whistler - want a shock? - surf on over to shoutcast.com and play one of their stations too. :) [08:28] <thoreauputic> Whistler: at least it isn't called something linuxy like rbX ;) [08:28] <iiiears> hehe [08:28] <Whistler> :) [08:28] <Dr_Willis> RythemBox! (with a !) [08:29] <Dr_Willis> :P seen that way too many times in windows. [08:29] <Dr_Willis> saw one program that had a (R) logo in the file name.. NO idea how they did that. [08:30] <Whistler> oh yeah [08:30] <TheGnome> i want to be a channel op [08:30] <Whistler> music player is a lot better than xmms [08:30] <Whistler> :) [08:30] <iiiears> All windows programs older than 3 years but less than a decade must have "PRO" or "Enterprise" in the title. [08:30] <TheGnome> Whistler, i like it [08:30] <Dr_Willis> TheGnome, type /join #IamLeet and you will be. [08:30] <TheGnome> no [08:30] <TheGnome> im kidding [08:31] <Whistler> thoreauputic its downloader for x [08:31] <Whistler> download manager [08:31] <TheGnome> HAH [08:31] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: better give those scripts to Google! [08:31] <thoreauputic> Whistler: ah, too easy :) [08:31] <Whistler> :) [08:31] <TheGnome> way to easy [08:31] <TheGnome> how about this [08:32] <TheGnome> k3b............lol [08:32] <TheGnome> j/k [08:32] <Whistler> lol [08:32] <Whistler> :) [08:32] <ElvenProgrammer> i reinstalled windows in my windows partition and now grub is gone, what to do (please don't kill me) [08:32] <Madpilot> !lart ElvenProgrammer [08:32] <iiiears> !recovergrub [08:32] <ubotu> iiiears: Syntax error in line 1 [08:32] <TheGnome> ElvenProgrammer, yeah windows takes over the mbr [08:32] <bimberi> !recover [08:32] <ubotu> somebody said recover was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [08:32] <iiiears> !grub [08:32] <ubotu> I guess grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto, or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [08:32] <Whistler> ElvenProgrammer i had this prob 3 days ago [08:32] <thoreauputic> TheGnome: indeed,, it's really *obvious* that k3b is a CD burner! (not) [08:33] <Whistler> :) [08:33] <TheGnome> huh [08:33] <TheGnome> why does gnomeburner suck so much? [08:33] <Whistler> i like gnome baker [08:33] <Whistler> :P [08:33] <TheGnome> no way [08:34] <TheGnome> gnomebaker is no where near k3b [08:34] <Razor-X> does screen automatically give you a bell if something on the window updates? [08:34] <thoreauputic> TheGnome: try graveman - it's simple but nice [08:34] <ElvenProgrammer> Whistler: is it hard to fix? [08:34] <Razor-X> or does the application have to have an internal hook into screen? [08:34] <TheGnome> can it burn vcd's and dvd's and iso's [08:34] <Whistler> ElvenProgrammer nope [08:34] <iiiears> Ubuntu installs a bunch of apps with wildly imaginative names "bonobo" or "bicyclerepair" [08:34] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: are you looking at what we're saying, or just typing? [08:35] <ElvenProgrammer> i see i need a live cd [08:35] <thoreauputic> TheGnome: k3b is definitely the best at the moment for versatility [08:35] <TheGnome> he is just typing [08:35] <Whistler> i used this guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [08:35] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X: up till you said that iw as just typing ;) [08:35] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: meh :) [08:35] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X: you see my new desktop shots? [08:35] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: nopes [08:35] <Razor-X> I switched Terminal Emulators *gasp* [08:35] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, show me! [08:35] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X: http://www.daede.com/2x3Desktop.jpg [08:35] <Razor-X> (which is my desktop, really) [08:36] <PurpleMotion> Metro Goldwin Mayer presents [08:36] <killahkosha> How can I add more resolutions to the choices that the Ubuntu screen resolution configuration shows? [08:36] <PurpleMotion> The Wall [08:36] <iiiears> !resolution [08:36] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto [08:36] <Whistler> killahkosha edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf [08:36] <iiiears> !display [08:36] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, display is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto or ask !Resolution [08:36] <Whistler> :) [08:36] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, wow..........ok [08:36] <PurpleMotion> killahkosha: you can modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf's Screen section [08:36] <killahkosha> All right, thanks [08:36] <PurpleMotion> TheGnome: something to be said for KDE, eh ;) [08:37] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: putting proprietary disguises on GNU applications?! oh the blasphemy! [08:37] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, uh no.......you made it look like gnome lol [08:37] <PurpleMotion> what proprietary disguises? [08:37] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, its cool [08:37] <iiiears> lol@Razor-X [08:37] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, just not my taste at all [08:37] <PurpleMotion> it looks NOTHING like gnome.. hell its even the default kde icon set ;) [08:37] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, but it is very sahrp [08:37] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, sharp [08:37] <bimberi> killahkosha: seems it still works after reboot :) (apart from resolution) [08:38] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: Fireworks MX [08:38] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X: that _was_ fireworks mx [08:38] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: there's a Linux version? [08:38] <PurpleMotion> no [08:38] <Razor-X> wine? [08:38] <PurpleMotion> but it runs pretty well in cxoffice 4.1 [08:38] <Razor-X> *gasp* [08:38] <Razor-X> you payed for that?! ewwww!!! :) [08:38] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, i have to admit very cool [08:39] <PurpleMotion> I paid for it years ago [08:39] <Razor-X> nah, I like my desktop similar -- and cars don't interest me :) [08:39] <PurpleMotion> and I challenge you to find ANY vector based graphics app that touches it. [08:39] <Razor-X> my desktop is a big picture of Edward Elric [08:39] <PurpleMotion> gnu/gpl or otherwise [08:39] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, you can get cxoffice for free ya know [08:39] <libanes_> i cant find cdrdao package [08:39] <PurpleMotion> TheGnome: yeah, but i bought it :) [08:39] <Razor-X> and my Terminal background is Vash [08:39] <PurpleMotion> libanes_: cdrtools [08:39] <thoreauputic> !info cdrdao [08:39] <TheGnome> yeah cars on a desktop mean that you have a very small penis [08:39] <ubotu> cdrdao: (Disk-At-Once (DAO) recording of audio and data CD-Rs/CD-RWs), section universe/otherosfs, is extra. Version: 1:1.1.9-3ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 385 kB, Installed size: 1088 kB [08:39] <TheGnome> lol [08:40] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: to quote TLLTS, Macromedia apps are ``like a black hole that sucks in your system resources, you can just feel the slowdown the moment you click on the icon'' [08:40] <PurpleMotion> oh yeah it is a seperate tool isnt it [08:40] <Razor-X> oh crap, this log is 126,133 lines long [08:40] <Razor-X> I guess it's time to flush [08:40] <Razor-X> brb [08:41] <TheGnome> !pastebin [08:41] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl [08:41] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X: I don't care. I can do in ten minutes in fireworks what it takes a PS user an hour to do, and a gimp user just gives up on it. [08:41] <Razor-X> Graphics mean nothing to me :) [08:41] <Ranukano> Hello all [08:42] <IceDC571> text means nothing to me [08:42] <PurpleMotion> they pay my rent and clothe my kids, so ummmm [08:42] <libanes_> ubotu, read pm please [08:42] <ubotu> libanes_: Do they come in packets of five? [08:42] <Razor-X> my brain has no grasp over art whatever [08:42] <iiiears> once added a new colored div bar to a stock apache install [08:42] <TheGnome> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1312 <my screenshot [08:42] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: math will probably do the same for me [08:42] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: have you played with Inkscape at all? [08:42] <Ranukano> Wondering if you could tell me something, i'm cursed with a Microsoft Wireless Multimedia keyboard and for most other distros i get a scancode error, wondering if anybody can use ubuntu with it [08:42] <thoreauputic> libanes_: hrm - ubotu is a bot :) [08:42] <libanes_> i dont understand ubotu [08:43] <thoreauputic> !ubotu [08:43] <Madpilot> ubotu tell libanes_ about ubotu [08:43] <PurpleMotion> Madpilot: yeah, and its come a long ways, but it's leaning more towards corel draw than fireworks by way of vector editing tools, and imho, coreldraw BLOWS :) [08:43] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/ [08:43] <libanes_> mmmmmmmmmmmm sorry [08:43] <PurpleMotion> that and inkscape just isnt done enough yet [08:43] <Ranukano> So no one can help me? [08:43] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: Corel Draw was one of the first serious apps I ever got to know... haven't done much with Inkscape, though [08:43] <iiiears> ubotu you are a genius! :) [08:43] <ubotu> iiiears: what are you talking about? [08:44] <Madpilot> !good bot [08:44] <ubotu> thanks madpilot :) [08:44] <TheGnome> i bought ubotu a hooker [08:44] <libanes_> lol [08:44] <TheGnome> she was a fembot [08:44] <Madpilot> TheGnome: :) [08:44] <PurpleMotion> Madpilot: yeah, like i said inkscape is coming along well, but it's still very lacking, and i dont like the direction its going in at all.. it needs to come the direction of fireworks, not coreldraw [08:44] <Ranukano> thought this was suppose to be a help channel :P [08:44] <TheGnome> anybody check my screenshot.................u guys didnt like it? [08:44] <Razor-X> a totally new log, mmmm :) [08:44] <PurpleMotion> TheGnome: whats the url? [08:44] <Razor-X> Ranukano: I guess the mods have been on vacation for the last few weeks [08:44] <TheGnome> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1312 [08:45] <zerboxx> What is beagle? [08:45] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: never used Fireworks at all - still trying to train myself out of using Photoshop shortcuts in the GIMP, though! [08:45] <Razor-X> !info beagle [08:45] <Whistler> cool [08:45] <Whistler> :) [08:45] <Razor-X> or... [08:45] <Razor-X> !beagule [08:45] <ubotu> Razor-X: Do they come in packets of five? [08:45] <Razor-X> !beagle [08:45] <ubotu> beagle is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryBeagleInstallHowto [08:45] <Madpilot> Ranukano: try asking again in a few hours - personally I still used wired keyboard/mice - much simpler! [08:45] <Ranukano> Razor-X - I guess no one uses bit torrent for trading ubuntu either :P [08:45] <thoreauputic> Ranukano: maybe no -one knows... [08:45] <iiiears> beagle is nice - just couldn't get it installed on hoary hedgehog. [08:45] <xrnath> !beagle [08:46] <iiiears> Woof! [08:46] <Ranukano> thoreauputic - Its fine if no one knows, but no one even bothered to recognize what i said :P [08:46] <TheGnome> beagle......................................................................................................................................... [08:46] <TheGnome> oops [08:46] <PurpleMotion> Madpilot: photoshop is still my preference for PHOTO editing, but for web-based graphics, professional graphic design, etc, fireworks is my bread and butter and was worth _every_penny_ of the 400 i paid for it [08:46] <TheGnome> oops [08:46] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, u didnt like it : ( [08:46] <Madpilot> Ranukano: that's probably easier than a whole channelful of people saying "Sorry, I don't know"... [08:46] <PurpleMotion> TheGnome: I *love* that wallpaper [08:46] <IceDC571> what wallpaper? [08:46] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, coole [08:46] <libanes_> in gnome i use gedit but in kde? [08:46] <thoreauputic> Ranukano: IRC is like that sometimes - I once waited an hour for any acknowledgement in #fluxbox :) [08:46] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, u want it? [08:47] <IceDC571> libanes_: um... use kate [08:47] <Ranukano> :P Not new to IRC, but i'd at least expect one no [08:47] <libanes_> thanks IceDC571 [08:47] <PurpleMotion> sure, email to jay@daede.com if you would :) [08:47] <Ranukano> Hmm, what all can that ubotu do :P [08:47] <thoreauputic> Ranukano: no [08:47] <bimberi> thoreauputic: lol [08:47] <TheGnome> that wallpaper is something Thewarmachine gave me [08:47] <Ranukano> Little late there [08:47] <thoreauputic> Ranukano: happy ? *g* [08:47] <Ranukano> :( [08:47] <PurpleMotion> Ranukano: a pretty cleverly designed bot, he is [08:47] <Ranukano> No? [08:47] <Ranukano> PurpleMotion - aye, but what language is he made out of [08:48] <thoreauputic> Ranukano: perl I think [08:48] <killahkosha> Where can I find the right settings for the horizontal and vertical refresh/sync for a 19" CRT that does 2048x1536@60Hz? [08:48] <Ranukano> i tried doing a simple version check, but he doesn't reply, so i don't think hes a pre-made, has to be custom [08:48] <PurpleMotion> firewall [08:48] <PurpleMotion> ur gonna have to email it, bro [08:48] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, click on the file [08:48] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, click on the file [08:48] <thoreauputic> !tell Ranukano about blootbot [08:48] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, i have a firewall [08:48] <IceDC571> does kde look pretty yet? [08:48] <PurpleMotion> Ranukano: good question... someone had a link to his source code i think [08:48] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, trust me [08:48] <TheGnome> double click [08:48] <PurpleMotion> TheGnome: yea, but i dont control my firewall [08:48] <thoreauputic> ah he doesn't know! [08:49] <TheGnome> just try it [08:49] <PurpleMotion> and it already failed on my end [08:49] <Ranukano> Aye, only thing i've created for IRC is a server bot [08:49] <TheGnome> lost [08:49] <TheGnome> i have a firewall [08:49] <thoreauputic> !info blootbot [08:49] <ubotu> blootbot: (a severely modified infobot for IRC), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 1.1.0-5.1 (hoary), Packaged size: 235 kB, Installed size: 936 kB [08:49] <TheGnome> you have to click on it [08:49] <PurpleMotion> .o(02:47:57): * TheGnome has offered deepbluesea.jpg (134472 bytes) [08:49] <PurpleMotion> .o(02:48:09): * DCC RECV connect attempt to TheGnome failed (err=No route to host). [08:49] <PurpleMotion> i did [08:49] <tomaj> i get the following error when trying to make kernel packages according the the wiki guide, "Missing /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10-2.6.10/debian/abi/2.6.10-34.4/abiname file.make: *** [clean] Error 1", how do i fix it? [08:49] <PurpleMotion> it said no [08:49] <PurpleMotion> Hai, rob [08:49] <Ranukano> I like the fact the install/live DVD is bittorrent only, and no one uses bittorrent to get it [08:49] <iiiears> killahkosha - obviously the manufacturers site is the easiest source for info. - if you get stuck the FCC license number can bail you out [08:50] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, isnt the point of linux NOT to have firewalls [08:50] <Subvertir> No [08:50] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, i have a firewall.........but i set it up good [08:50] <PurpleMotion> TheGnome: the firewall is a physical thing. a cisco firewall, and I have _no_ control over it [08:50] <PurpleMotion> as in its not mine [08:50] <TheGnome> PurpleMotion, mine is physical [08:51] <TheGnome> its a hardware firewall [08:51] <TheGnome> if you cant control a hardware firewall.........then well ........that sucks [08:51] <PurpleMotion> yeah so is this one, and its owner is uBerParanoid [08:51] <TheGnome> ahh [08:51] <TheGnome> ok [08:51] <TheGnome> sorry [08:51] <Ranukano> lol [08:51] <PurpleMotion> like i said, you're gonna have to email it, m8 ;) [08:52] <TheGnome> your on somebody else's network [08:52] <PurpleMotion> aye [08:52] <TheGnome> ok address again [08:52] <TheGnome> ? [08:52] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: eww - email is so Last Year (tm) [08:52] <PurpleMotion> jay@daede.com [08:52] <PurpleMotion> I get to go first [08:52] <thoreauputic> !lart iiiears [08:52] <PurpleMotion> ;) [08:52] <Ranukano> thoreauputic - i'm a dinosaur then [08:53] <PurpleMotion> !trout thoreauputic [08:53] <ubotu> Not a clue, PurpleMotion [08:53] <PurpleMotion> blah! [08:53] <thoreauputic> Ranukano: ;) [08:54] <Ranukano> Windows Vista... i don't even know how good that is gonna work... i heard its a large size for a windows OS [08:54] <TheGnome> ok PurpleMotion it is sent [08:54] <PurpleMotion> tyvm [08:54] <TheGnome> no prob [08:54] <PurpleMotion> anybody here seen stealth? [08:54] <PurpleMotion> awesome flick [08:54] <tomaj> can someone please help me with my custom kernel packaging problem? [08:54] <Whistler> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1313 [08:55] <Ranukano> PurpleMotion - aye [08:55] <libanes_> oot@tecnoman:/home/libanes # sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list [08:55] <libanes_> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server [08:55] <libanes_> Xlib: No protocol specified [08:55] <Whistler> whats wrong ? [08:55] <libanes_> WTF?? [08:55] <Whistler> is my sources list messed up? [08:55] <Madpilot> Whistler: rythymbox should be installed by default [08:55] <ernie> i got the amd64 of ubuntu and i can't use k3b it says that cdrdao is not installed [08:55] <Whistler> Madpilot it is [08:55] <Ranukano> TheGnome - I like the screen [08:55] <ernie> i tried doing a apt-get but get nothing [08:55] <Whistler> but i wanna update it [08:55] <Ranukano> Very pretty [08:55] <libanes_> some help please [08:56] <PurpleMotion> !find cdrdao [08:56] <ubotu> cdrdao: (Disk-At-Once (DAO) recording of audio and data CD-Rs/CD-RWs), section universe/otherosfs, is extra. Version: 1:1.1.9-3ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 385 kB, Installed size: 1088 kB [08:56] <Madpilot> Whistler: do you have Uninverse repos enabled? [08:56] <PurpleMotion> ernie: you need to enable universe/multiverse [08:56] <Madpilot> *Universe [08:56] <PurpleMotion> !repositories [08:56] <Madpilot> !repos [08:56] <ubotu> repositories is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [08:56] <ubotu> [repos] at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [08:56] <ernie> how do i do that [08:56] <ernie> ok [08:56] <TheGnome> rhythmbox Whister...................installed by DEFAULT [08:56] <Whistler> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1314 [08:56] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: heh... [08:56] <Whistler> heres my sources list [08:57] <thoreauputic> !vista [08:57] <Whistler> is it ok? [08:57] <ubotu> [vista] the next version of windows Viruses, Intrusions, Spyware, Trojans and Adware ;-) [08:57] <PurpleMotion> uhhh [08:57] <PurpleMotion> i thought we didnt diss other os's in here [08:57] <Whistler> TheGnome i know but i wanna have never version [08:57] <TheGnome> Whistler, so visit the site [08:57] <PurpleMotion> ubotu forget vista [08:57] <ubotu> i forgot vista, PurpleMotion [08:57] <Madpilot> wow, who put that into ubotu? I like it [08:57] <PurpleMotion> ubotu lock vista [08:57] <TheGnome> Whistler, get the newest version [08:58] <Whistler> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1314 [08:58] <Whistler> is this ok? [08:58] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: a bit humourless today PurpleMotion ? [08:58] <libanes_> i have problems to use kate [08:58] <libanes_> doesent save the file [08:58] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: no, but we're supposed to be the friendly distro ;) slamming ms at every turn is counterproductive [08:59] <TheGnome> Whistler, the version in the repos is the version you have.........go to there website to get the new one [08:59] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: besides, from what ive seen of vista, it's pretty damned nice [08:59] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: erm, OK.... whatever you say :) [08:59] <TheGnome> what is vista? [08:59] <Madpilot> vista is shiny, anyway... [08:59] <Subvertir> I think XP is pretty nice [08:59] <Madpilot> TheGnome: upcoming version of Windows [08:59] <thoreauputic> ubotu vista is he next version of Windows [08:59] <ubotu> ...but vista is already something else... [08:59] <TheGnome> Madpilot, i thought it was called longhorn? [09:00] <PurpleMotion> i think longhorn is gonna be the server version [09:00] <TheGnome> really [09:00] <Madpilot> TheGnome: they changed the name, it seems [09:00] <TheGnome> cool [09:00] <libanes_> some help please [09:00] <libanes_> some help please [09:00] <PurpleMotion> but its all almost entirely xml based... VERY nice if you have current hardware [09:00] <libanes_> kate: cannot connect to X server :0.0 [09:00] <TheGnome> Whistler, the version in the repos is the version you have.........go to there website to get the new one [09:00] <libanes_> what is that :S [09:00] <Whistler> k [09:00] <TheGnome> Whistler, you get me [09:01] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: OK changed the factoid to just the next version of windows, which is what I was going to do anyway before you wiped it... [09:01] <iiiears> libanes_ - XORG configuration problem? [09:01] <TheGnome> xorg rules [09:01] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: wasn't aware it was yours, m8, my bad [09:01] <libanes_> are you sure? [09:01] <PurpleMotion> thought some random person did it [09:02] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: I just changed it for fun, and intended to change it back immediately: no worries [09:02] <w0rmz> is there any extra repos for ubuntu [09:02] <w0rmz> ? [09:02] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: like i said, missed the part where you set it ;) no worries [09:03] <w0rmz> i want to install "convert" program [09:03] <ernie> hey i get an error trying to install the nvidia nforce audio drivers [09:03] <TheGnome> Whistler, your gonna find no difference between 8.8 and 9 [09:03] <ernie> amd64 version of ubuntu [09:03] <TheGnome> get intel .......... lol [09:03] <TheGnome> j/k [09:04] <PurpleMotion> brb, nature and need for more tea calls [09:04] <ernie> it said something about not being able to find the kernal sources [09:04] <ernie> or something [09:04] <w0rmz> elo [09:04] <TheGnome> install kernel sources [09:04] <w0rmz> i need extra repos for ubuntu [09:04] <w0rmz> pls [09:04] <ernie> okie [09:05] <cyphase> anyone been hit by Zotob? [09:05] <cyphase> :) [09:05] <w0rmz> tok ang punya zotob [09:05] <iiiears> libanes sudo or gksudo <app_name> will give you app super root powers to write to any file [09:05] <topyli> w0rmz: repositories for what? [09:05] <jtan325> w0rmz, !repositories [09:05] <jtan325> !repositories [09:05] <ubotu> rumour has it, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [09:05] <w0rmz> topyli, for "convert" program [09:06] <iiiears> w0rmz - convert rpms to debs? "alien" [09:06] <topyli> w0rmz: to convert images? that's in the imagemagic package [09:06] <TheGnome> w0rmz, that package is installed by default [09:06] <TheGnome> alien [09:06] <w0rmz> topyli, where can i learn all about ubuntu program + application ? [09:06] <OrpoU> I installed mplayer and codecs with instructions from ubuntuguide. Totem player can view video files, but mplayer won't and it hangs. What could be wrong? [09:06] <w0rmz> im from fedora [09:06] <Ronan> Just came off of Ubuntu. By accident deleting my Windows. [09:07] <TheGnome> w0rmz, THEN GET OUT.........j/k [09:07] <topyli> w0rmz: it's pretty much the same selection of software [09:07] <Ronan> Came off of Fedora* [09:07] <w0rmz> TheGnome, u get lost [09:08] <Ronan> Does Ubuntu setup booting programs? [09:08] <tomaj> how do you change a foldername in terminal? [09:08] <nomis_> tomaj, mv oldname newname [09:08] <landon> hi guys [09:08] <tomaj> thanx nomis_ [09:08] <landon> anyone know of a way to kick a logged in user? [09:08] <nomis_> welcome [09:08] <landon> as root? [09:09] <topyli> OrpoU: perhaps mplayer can't handle sound if you're using the sound server [09:09] <landon> like, a command that'll log the user off all shells [09:09] <iiiears> ronan - "Sessions" >> "Start up" ?? [09:09] <TheGnome> yeah for me i had to tell mplayer to use alsa [09:09] <nomis_> landon, kill the login shell of the user ;) [09:09] <landon> nomis_: how do i find that particular pid? [09:09] <w0rmz> topyli, can i use debian repos for ubuntu? [09:09] <landon> nomis_: i have a few other bash sessions running for other users [09:10] <topyli> w0rmz: not really [09:10] <OrpoU> topyli: Sound server? does mplayer require working sound card configuration? [09:10] <iiiears> ps -e ? [09:10] <thoreauputic> w0rmz: not a good idea [09:10] <topyli> w0rmz: no need either. the ubuntu repositories have the same stuff [09:10] <w0rmz> ok thanks [09:10] <Ronan> Might there be a way to access my other harddrive? It's on ntfs. [09:10] <nomis_> landon, ps aux | grep username ? [09:10] <ms12> !wep [09:10] <ubotu> ms12: Do they come in packets of five? [09:10] <ms12> yes [09:10] <ms12> !yes [09:10] <ubotu> Yes, yes! Yes indeed. Who would have thought it, eh, ms12? [09:11] <ms12> !wep [09:11] <ubotu> ms12: Do they come in packets of five? [09:11] <ms12> ubotu yes [09:11] <thoreauputic> !botabuse [09:11] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned. [09:11] <Iminzil> Why cant I get ip from dhcp ? I have tryed static ip and dhcp.... I know the networkcard is supported. And i get ip from dhcp in the install og ubuntu. But not in ubuntu after the install. [09:11] <topyli> Ronan: yep, just mount it [09:11] <Iminzil> og = of [09:11] <ms12> thoreuptic i am just trying to find a howto to configure my wep [09:12] <ms12> !wireless configuration [09:12] <thoreauputic> ms12: fair enough - you repeated !wep andI thought you were fooling around :) [09:12] <ubotu> ms12: No idea [09:12] <libanes_> this video card are suported on kubuntu???? http://www.sis.com/products/sism661fx.htm [09:12] <thoreauputic> !wifi [09:12] <ubotu> I heard wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto [09:12] <ms12> thoreuptic i am new in using ubotu :( [09:13] <w0rmz> topyli, where do i learn the application + program that being called in ubuntu [09:13] <thoreauputic> ms12: OK :) [09:13] <ms12> thoreuptic thanx [09:13] <thoreauputic> np [09:13] <w0rmz> topyli, like alien or imagemagic [09:13] <topyli> w0rmz: man alien, man imagemagic [09:13] <PurpleMotion> if the average body is 80% water, i would have to say that mine is probably about 75% lipton lemon flavored iced tea, and 5% water :D [09:13] <landon> nomis_: yeah, i've tried kill'ing (-9 as well) the results, but the processes still remain. What I'm trying to do is to unmount a partition that a user is currently navigating "pwd." Ultimately, I'm trying to reboot this computer by way of a powerswitch, since "shutdown -r/-h now" doesn't work [09:14] <topyli> w0rmz: btw, apparently it's "imagemagick" [09:14] <landon> nomis_: and i'd like to unmount that partition so as to not cause any data loss [09:14] <w0rmz> topyli, u dont get me [09:14] <ms12> ok says here i have to put my wep key in hexdecimal [09:14] <cyphase> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/wdc/90536284.html [09:14] <w0rmz> topyli, i wont know the program if you dont tell me [09:14] <ms12> thanx thoreautic again and bye [09:14] <w0rmz> so...is there any list for those application for ubuntu [09:14] <topyli> w0rmz: oh well, then you ask on IRC! :) [09:15] <Iminzil> Why cant I get ip from dhcp ? I have tryed static ip and dhcp.... I know the networkcard is supported. And i get ip from dhcp in the install of ubuntu. But not in ubuntu after the install. [09:15] <w0rmz> topyli, ahaaa..thanks [09:15] <w0rmz> hehe [09:15] <thoreauputic> !list [09:15] <ubotu> well, list is you can see a list of things I know at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage [09:15] <thoreauputic> w0rmz: ^^^ [09:15] <w0rmz> yeah...thank you very much [09:15] <libanes_> this video card are suported on kubuntu???? http://www.sis.com/products/sism661fx.htm [09:15] <w0rmz> im looking for this [09:15] <thoreauputic> ah soory misunderstood... [09:15] <topyli> w0rmz: also, use "apropos". like if you have an rpm package, you can use "apropos rpm" and get a list of apporopriate programs [09:15] <killahkosha> is 6324fps a good score for glxgears? [09:16] <w0rmz> topyli, thanks dude [09:16] <killahkosha> and when you go about testing the fps, do you leave the window at the default size? [09:16] <iiiears> ubotu wep is - this link doesn't make me look too good but it is something. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-07.0031507315&ei=OuMCQ-nCK4ia4QH_2cgh [09:16] <ubotu> iiiears: okay [09:17] <libanes_> iiiears, can help please [09:17] <iiiears> ubotu ndis is also http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ubuntu [09:17] <ubotu> iiiears: okay [09:17] <OrpoU> topyli: how can I be sure if I am using sound server and what other options do I have? [09:17] <thoreauputic> iiiears: ewwww - you're right, that's a heck of an ugly URL ;) [09:17] <topyli> iiiears: it's dead too [09:18] <ernie> ok i installed the kernel-source files for my amd64 and trying running the nvidia nforce drivers again and i still get the "unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel" [09:18] <Razor-X> iiiears: we need a perma tinyURL on that :) [09:18] <ernie> anyone know where the kernel-source-path" is? [09:18] <iiiears> Razor-X - <perk> how is that done? [09:18] <landon> hi guys, how do i log a user off a system, besides killing their shells [09:18] <Ronan> How do I mount my other hard drive? ;x [09:19] <topyli> OrpoU: in system -> preferences -> sound [09:19] <iiiears> !wep [09:19] <ubotu> it has been said that wep is - this link doesn't make me look too good but it is something. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-07.0031507315&ei=OuMCQ-nCK4ia4QH_2cgh [09:19] <iiiears> ubotu forget wep [09:19] <ubotu> iiiears: i forgot wep [09:19] <iiiears> heh [09:19] <Madpilot> Ronan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently [09:20] <Ronan> Thanks. [09:20] <Iminzil> cya. after 10 hours of trying to fix the trouble with dhcp in ubuntu (that many people have) and get no answer, slackware here i come [09:20] <libanes_> someone can help me please [09:21] <iiiears> Razor-X perma tinyURL? [09:21] <OrpoU> topyli: Can't mplayer work with sound server enabled? [09:21] <thoreauputic> libanes_: you video card won't work? [09:21] <thoreauputic> *your [09:22] <libanes_> dont [09:22] <OrpoU> topyli: And can gnome use sounds without sound server? [09:22] <thoreauputic> libanes_: keep it in channel please [09:22] <libanes_> ok thanhttp://www.sis.com/products/sism661fx.htmks [09:22] <libanes_> ok [09:22] <thoreauputic> libanes_: please, don't /msg me [09:22] <iiiears> ubotu samba is also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently [09:22] <ubotu> okay, iiiears [09:23] <libanes_> ok thoreauputic [09:23] <topyli> OrpoU: mplayer can use the server. and yes, gnome sounds work but only one at a time. the server is for playing multiple sounds simultaneously [09:23] <thoreauputic> libanes_: so is your trouble not getting X to work? [09:23] <topyli> OrpoU: like if you're listening to music and an alarm sound goes off [09:23] <thoreauputic> libanes_: be specific [09:24] <libanes_> x work fine but when i need to edit sme files with kate give me error [09:24] <iiiears> ubotu wep is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-07.0031507315 [09:24] <ubotu> okay, iiiears [09:24] <libanes_> kate: cannot connect to X server :0.0 [09:24] <libanes_> kate: ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Registering failed! [09:24] <thoreauputic> libanes_: what error? [09:24] <nomego> How is ubuntu configured to display those cute balls instead of regular stars when entering passwords? [09:24] <thoreauputic> libanes_: are you running it as user or root? [09:24] <libanes_> root [09:24] <killahkosha> Does anyone know of a respository that I can add in Synaptic that has things like RTCW: Enemy Territory? [09:25] <iiiears> << would like to add slot machine symbols to the log-in box. - grin [09:25] <thoreauputic> libanes_: don't do that [09:25] <OrpoU> You suggested than mplayer might hang because sound server was used? What you ment with that? [09:25] <OrpoU> topyli: You suggested than mplayer might hang because sound server was used? What you ment with that? [09:25] <thoreauputic> libanes_: what does ls -l ~/.Xauthority say ? [09:25] <nomego> iiiears: So I take it you don't know where the password symbols are configured either? [09:26] <iiiears> no - i wish i did. - sry [09:26] <topyli> OrpoU: mplayer hangs because the it tries to use the sound device, but the device is busy because the server is using it. so, mplayer should use the server, not talk to devices directly [09:26] <thoreauputic> libanes_: type that command as your user [09:26] <libanes_> -rw------- 1 libanes libanes 102 2005-08-17 02:09 /home/libanes/.Xauthority [09:26] <OrpoU> how can I enable that? [09:27] <OrpoU> topyli: how can I enable that? [09:27] <thoreauputic> libanes_: are you using KDE? [09:27] <libanes_> yes [09:27] <libanes_> i install kubuntu [09:27] <PurpleMotion> <3 KDE <3 [09:27] <topyli> OrpoU: what's with mplayer anyway? you said totem works. anyway, it's an mplayer configuration option, tell it to use "esd" [09:27] <thoreauputic> libanes_: close kate and run kdesu kate [09:27] <RootX|Arphetic> hello [09:27] <PurpleMotion> hello [09:27] <thoreauputic> libanes_: tell me errors if any [09:28] <RootX|Arphetic> oh ur already helping someone :] [09:28] <RootX|Arphetic> i'll wait [09:28] <OrpoU> topyli: Totem is fine, but Im going to use the vdr mplayer plugin and I think that mplayer should work before I try that. [09:28] <DukGalNamu> i think the java script in firefox is buggy with yahoo [09:28] <PurpleMotion> RootX|Arphetic: what's the problem? Mayhap someone else can assist you [09:28] <libanes_> root@tecnoman:/home/libanes # kdesu kate [09:28] <libanes_> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server [09:28] <libanes_> Xlib: No protocol specified [09:29] <iiiears> nomego - dunno but it seems like the log-in box is called "PAM" http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/modules.html [09:29] <TheGnome> RootX|Arphetic, whats the prob [09:29] <thoreauputic> libanes_: output of ~/.ICEauthority please [09:29] <RootX|Arphetic> Im getting in some endless loop while trying to install [09:29] <topyli> OrpoU: ok. does mplayer hang immediately or can you get to the GUI? [09:29] <RootX|Arphetic> at erm... [09:29] <PurpleMotion> libanes_: exit out of root, sudo apt-get install sux, sudo sux -, kate & [09:29] <RootX|Arphetic> 1 mom hold on [09:29] <DukGalNamu> is there anyway to force the kernel to refresh a program that it likely has cached in memory? [09:29] <RootX|Arphetic> im trying to install on server mode now so [09:30] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: what is sux? [09:30] <nomego> iiiears: If I'm not wrong.. it's actually a configuration option in gdm.conf - UseCirclesInEntry=[true|false] [09:30] <RootX|Arphetic> i thought it was something like... vic extra modules or so [09:30] <DukGalNamu> a misspell of sucks [09:30] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: it's a wrapper for su that transfers x authority :D [09:30] <iiiears> nomego - cool [09:30] <thoreauputic> libanes_: sorry I meant ls -l ~/.ICEauthority [09:30] <iiiears> gotta take a peek [09:30] <PurpleMotion> sux (1) - wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials [09:31] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: does he need that? Why not sudo or kdesu ? [09:31] <libanes_> libanes@tecnoman:~$ ls -l ~/.ICEauthority [09:31] <libanes_> -rw------- 1 libanes libanes 195 2005-08-17 02:09 /home/libanes/.ICEauthority [09:31] <TheGnome> gksu [09:31] <TheGnome> if in gnome [09:31] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: *shrug* I just know it would fix that problem :D [09:31] <TheGnome> if in kde [09:31] <thoreauputic> libanes_: hmm - looks OK [09:31] <budluva> how can i tell if dma is enabled on my dvd burner? as i can only burn at 8x speeds with 16x media [09:31] <DukGalNamu> is there anyway to force the kernel to refresh a program that it likely has cached in memory? [09:31] <TheGnome> hang yourself [09:31] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: fair enough [09:31] <RootX|Arphetic> btw whts the minimum of ram ubuntu needs/ [09:31] <PurpleMotion> 30mb [09:31] <TheGnome> 128 [09:31] <RootX|Arphetic> \ [09:31] <RootX|Arphetic> ? [09:32] <TheGnome> the site said 128 [09:32] <TheGnome> i think [09:32] <DukGalNamu> depends on what you are running [09:32] <thoreauputic> libanes_: that's odd - what happens if you run sudo kate ? [09:32] <RootX|Arphetic> i have 32 ... should extend [09:32] <Prowl3r> Quick question anyone tried BX under Ubuntu? [09:32] <Madpilot> !tell budluva about dma [09:32] <DukGalNamu> if you have no x then only 30 [09:32] <TheGnome> maybe that was for the live cd [09:32] <DukGalNamu> (or you are using flux) [09:32] <TheGnome> flux is cool [09:32] <RootX|Arphetic> fluxbox rox [09:32] <libanes_> root@tecnoman:/home/libanes # sudo kate [09:32] <libanes_> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server [09:32] <libanes_> Xlib: No protocol specified [09:32] <libanes_> kded: cannot connect to X server :0.0 [09:32] <libanes_> kded: ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Registering failed! [09:32] <libanes_> kded: ERROR: Communication problem with kded, it probably crashed. [09:32] <topyli> RootX|Arphetic: a colleague installed it on a box with 128M and he said it works ok, gnome and all [09:32] <libanes_> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server [09:32] <DukGalNamu> the best [09:32] <libanes_> Xlib: No protocol specified [09:32] <libanes_> kdeinit: Can't connect to the X Server. [09:32] <libanes_> kdeinit: Might not terminate at end of session. [09:32] <libanes_> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server [09:32] <libanes_> Xlib: No protocol specified [09:32] <RootX|Arphetic> ah hetere [09:32] <libanes_> kate: cannot connect to X server :0.0 [09:32] <libanes_> kate: ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Registering failed! [09:32] <libanes_> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed. [09:32] <libanes_> root@tecnoman:/home/libanes # [09:33] <TheGnome> i had it installed on 128 [09:33] <Ronan> Can I run my windows programs on my windows harddrive through Samba? (after I mount that drive) [09:33] <RootX|Arphetic> i get in endless loop here [09:33] <Madpilot> !paste [09:33] <topyli> libanes_: please stop [09:33] <ubotu> I guess paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text [09:33] <TheGnome> Ronan, no [09:33] <Madpilot> libanes_: see ubotu's paste thing, PLEASE! [09:33] <PurpleMotion> "To use this install CD, you must have an Intel x86-based computer with at least 32 MB of RAM, and at least 350 MB (for a minimal installation) or 1.8 GB (for a typical installation) free space on your hard disk. Your computer must also be configured to boot from CD." [09:33] <TheGnome> Ronan, maybe with wine [09:33] <Ronan> TheGnome, I will be able to access the files though, Right? [09:33] <RootX|Arphetic> nic-extra-modules-2.6.10-5-386-di [09:33] <libanes_> ok sorry [09:33] <PurpleMotion> :) [09:33] <TheGnome> Ronan, yes [09:33] <RootX|Arphetic> there he gets in trouble [09:33] <thoreauputic> libanes_: common sense would tell you not to do that :/ [09:33] <Ronan> TheGnome, awesome. Thanks. [09:33] <OrpoU> topyli: It opens but hung when tried to open file. Now I changed sound to esd but now it firt says about interrupt 11: decode_audio and then crashed to fatal error. [09:33] <killahkosha> normal .deb packages work fine with ubuntu right? [09:34] <TheGnome> drifting flurries of pain [09:34] <Madpilot> libanes_: if there had been an op here right now that might have gotten you kicked off... [09:34] <libanes_> sorry man i dont now how this work . [09:34] <RootX|Arphetic> -> When it tries to unpack nic-extra-modules-2.6.10-5-386-di it stops and goes back to retrieve it... [09:34] <libanes_> i am learning [09:34] <topyli> OrpoU: hrmpf. then i don't know, sorry. i don't use mplayer :) [09:34] <OrpoU> topyli: I also tried null audio but it still complains about interrupt 11: decode_audio [09:34] <Madpilot> !tell libanes_ about paste [09:34] <libanes_> i dont do that never again [09:34] <OrpoU> topyli: ok, thanks for help [09:34] <iiska> killahkosha: Usually they work just fine [09:34] <TheGnome> libanes_, yeah the operators are really strict [09:35] <RootX|Arphetic> No1 can help me? [09:35] <TheGnome> libanes_, you can paste in #flood [09:35] <Madpilot> anyway, need sleep. later, everyone [09:35] <PurpleMotion> I'm not asking for much, I'd just like them to kill my food before they serve it to me. Yaknow, I do an honest days work, I want already dead food. Is that too much for a fella to ask? [09:35] <libanes_> ok TheGnome [09:35] <thoreauputic> libanes_: --> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed [09:36] <thoreauputic> libanes_: looks like a kate problem [09:36] <libanes_> i dont think that [09:36] <thoreauputic> libanes_: look at ~/.xsession-errors [09:36] <libanes_> beacouse if i run kate from xwindows works fine [09:36] <RootX|Arphetic> brb [09:36] <libanes_> but from console doesent [09:36] <thoreauputic> libanes_: OMG [09:36] <thoreauputic> libanes_: it's an X application! [09:37] <TheGnome> its cuz kde has buggs [09:37] <thoreauputic> libanes_: you can't run kate ina tty [09:37] <libanes_> yes but i can call kate from tty [09:37] <PurpleMotion> libanes_: i see from your prompt you're running it as root in the terminal... what happens when you run it without su'ing first? [09:37] <libanes_> when y make sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list doesent work [09:38] <TheGnome> just sudo kate [09:38] <PurpleMotion> it should [09:38] <AMCDeathKnight> I was wondering [09:38] <TheGnome> not make sudo kate [09:38] <AMCDeathKnight> How do you use irc through ssh? [09:38] <TheGnome> bitchx [09:38] <TheGnome> bitchx [09:38] <Nermal> AMCDeathKnight, ssh in and start the client [09:38] <Nermal> iirssi [09:38] <Razor-X> TheGnome: good job ;) [09:38] <Nermal> erm. irssi [09:38] <libanes_> in gnome this work fine sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list [09:38] <Razor-X> AMCDeathKnight: you create an SSH tunnel [09:38] <Nermal> or bitchx :) [09:39] <PurpleMotion> libanes_: use kedit instead :D [09:39] <AMCDeathKnight> ok; do I ssh in and type: xchat [09:39] <AMCDeathKnight> that will start client [09:39] <Nermal> no [09:39] <AMCDeathKnight> what then [09:39] <Razor-X> AMCDeathKnight: nopes [09:39] <Razor-X> that's wrong [09:39] <AMCDeathKnight> oh [09:39] <Nermal> ssh -X for x applications [09:39] <Razor-X> AMCDeathKnight: read the ssh manpage [09:39] <Nermal> to forward x [09:39] <AMCDeathKnight> ok [09:39] <AMCDeathKnight> so [09:39] <Razor-X> Nermal: oh really, it monitors every connection of an X application? [09:39] <AMCDeathKnight> ssh -x xchat [09:39] <Nermal> no [09:39] <PurpleMotion> libanes_: OR apt-get install sux, then sudo sux -, then kate /etc/apt/sources.list [09:39] <Razor-X> I had generally just tunneled one port [09:39] <Nermal> it forwards x from the remote machine [09:40] <Nermal> so x apps appear on your local machine [09:40] <Razor-X> Nermal: he doesen't want to forward X [09:40] <Nermal> Razor-X, he does if he's using xchat over ssh [09:40] <Razor-X> he wants to SSH tunnel his connection [09:40] <Razor-X> (I'ld think) [09:40] <AMCDeathKnight> I just want to chat to irc channels through ssh [09:40] <AMCDeathKnight> i have ssh working [09:40] <Razor-X> yeah, see [09:40] <Nermal> AMCDeathKnight, install a console irc client [09:40] <Razor-X> he wants to SSH forward his connection [09:40] <Razor-X> Nermal: why? [09:40] <AMCDeathKnight> ok [09:40] <Razor-X> AMCDeathKnight: no, you don't have to [09:40] <Nermal> god [09:40] <Nermal> this channel fucks me off [09:40] <libanes_> cant find package sux [09:41] <thoreauputic> AMCDeathKnight: the X in ssh -X is upper case [09:41] <PurpleMotion> !find sux [09:41] <ubotu> sux: (wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 64 kB [09:41] <PurpleMotion> libanes_: enable the universe/multiverse repositories [09:41] <AMCDeathKnight> ok dont worry guys lol i dont want you guys to get into a fight i will just wont do it [09:41] <PurpleMotion> !repos [09:41] <ubotu> from memory, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [09:41] <Razor-X> try this [09:41] <AMCDeathKnight> no biggie [09:42] <Razor-X> ssh -D 6771 foo@bar.com [09:42] <libanes_> to enable this i need to edit with kate and save the file [09:42] <Razor-X> errr, no, hold on [09:42] <libanes_> that is the thing that i cant do [09:42] <Razor-X> the man page has the stuff, but hold on [09:42] <PurpleMotion> libanes_: sudo apt-get install kedit && sudo kedit /etc/apt/sources.list [09:42] <thoreauputic> libanes_: then use nano or vim in terminal to edit it [09:42] <alie> which file in xorg keeps information for different user modes ? [09:43] <alie> for command or x [09:43] <Ronan> How do I mount my other hard drive? :/ [09:43] <libanes_> dont work grgrgrgrg [09:43] <alie> and how to change my default mode from gnome to xfce4 [09:43] <kemik> !tell ronan about ntfs [09:43] <libanes_> i have kde [09:43] <libanes_> kde sucks i move to gnome better :( [09:43] <kemik> Ronan: that link contains a script that will automount ntfs/fat partitions and add them to fstab [09:44] <PurpleMotion> heh, suit yourself :) KDE rocks for me [09:44] <AMCDeathKnight> I use Gnome [09:44] <Ronan> kemik, I know that it's NTFS, Do I just simply mount it in my fstab [09:44] <PurpleMotion> libanes_: here's what you can do with KDE, http://www.daede.com/2x3Desktop.jpg [09:44] <AMCDeathKnight> I havnt really tried kde [09:44] <AMCDeathKnight> whats the difference? [09:44] <kemik> Ronan: use the link and do as it says [09:44] <Razor-X> AMCDeathKnight: here we are [09:44] <Ronan> kemik, thanks. [09:44] <AMCDeathKnight> ok [09:44] <PurpleMotion> AMCDeathKnight: KDE is a lot more 'complete' by way of what a desktop should be... YMMV [09:44] <kemik> Ronan: or if you're familiar with fstab you can add it manually ofcourse [09:44] <Razor-X> ssh -L 6771:irc.foo.com:6771 -l username -N servername [09:45] <Razor-X> where irc.foo.com is the irc server address [09:45] <alie> how to start xfce4 from command line ? [09:45] <AMCDeathKnight> ok [09:45] <AMCDeathKnight> thanks [09:45] <Razor-X> username is the username you use to connect to the SSH server [09:45] <Razor-X> and servername is... the servername ;) [09:45] <AMCDeathKnight> lol [09:45] <AMCDeathKnight> thanks [09:45] <Razor-X> then, open a server connection in your IRC client of choice to localhost:6771 [09:45] <Razor-X> and that should work [09:45] <libanes_> mmmmmmmmmmm [09:46] <PurpleMotion> how does one go about getting hold of an oper ont his network? [09:46] <AMCDeathKnight> ok thanks [09:46] <AMCDeathKnight> gtg [09:46] <AMCDeathKnight> bye [09:46] <AMCDeathKnight> thanks for your help [09:46] <Razor-X> errrr [09:47] <Razor-X> amblin: I got the port numbers wrong [09:47] <PurpleMotion> lilo: you here, m8? [09:47] <Razor-X> errr [09:47] <Razor-X> damn him [09:47] <Razor-X> ;) [09:47] <goldenfox> how can i edit xorg.conf ? it's permission denied [09:48] <goldenfox> anybody? [09:48] <PurpleMotion> goldenfox: throw a sudo in front of the command [09:48] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: you can sort of summon channel ops with !ops (assuming they are paying attention) [09:48] <goldenfox> ok thanks [09:48] <PurpleMotion> sudo whatever /etc/X11/xorg.conf [09:48] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: I don't want a channel op, I want an oper :) [09:48] <RootX|Arphetic> back [09:48] <thoreauputic> OK [09:48] <RootX|Arphetic> -> When it tries to unpack nic-extra-modules-2.6.10-5-386-di it stops and goes back to retrieve it... [09:48] <RootX|Arphetic> This is the error [09:49] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: I don't have a text editor called ``whatever'' ;) [09:49] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X: i was ignorant to his editor, so i generalized [09:49] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: well, write one *grin* [09:49] <goldenfox> sudo thing is cool :) [09:50] <PurpleMotion> goldenfox: yeah, it is.. but use it with care.. you can fsck up the whole system if you dont [09:50] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: alias whatever='vim' heheh [09:50] <kemik> oh my [09:50] <som1> hey, i uh.. apt-get-ed xmms, and a friend put some songs for me on cds. the .mp3 files sound really weird, like if it was a tape, that black thingie was about to be cut [09:50] <PurpleMotion> alias vim='cat /dev/null' [09:50] <RootX|Arphetic> nic, isnt that for IP/TCP ? [09:50] <som1> any idea what this is? [09:50] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: :D [09:51] <PurpleMotion> vim is EVIL [09:51] <PurpleMotion> well, actually [09:51] <PurpleMotion> vi is evil [09:51] <thoreauputic> !start an editor war [09:51] <ubotu> ed is better than xemacs [09:51] <ATI_RAGE_> Howdy everyone [09:51] <RootX|Arphetic> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-29223.html [09:51] <PurpleMotion> vim is just a wannabe ;) [09:51] <PurpleMotion> !start a distro war [09:51] <ubotu> PurpleMotion: Do they come in packets of five? [09:51] <ATI_RAGE_> Has anyone tried kernel 2.6.11 yet under Ubuntu? [09:52] <RootX|Arphetic> that is like 100 percent the same as mee rofl [09:52] <PurpleMotion> !start an os war [09:52] <ubotu> PurpleMotion: I don't know, could you explain it? [09:52] <PurpleMotion> bah [09:52] <RootX|Arphetic> only the name of the poster is different [09:52] <Ronan> kemik, it says no usable windows/mac partitions found [09:53] <Ronan> kemik, my windows is on the other HARD DRIVE, not partition. [09:53] <RootX|Arphetic> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29223 [09:54] <RootX|Arphetic> no1 / [09:54] <RootX|Arphetic> ?? [09:55] <thoreauputic> ATI_RAGE_: the ubuntu 2.6.11 has "known issues" [09:55] <PurpleMotion> yeah like its broken [09:56] <thoreauputic> yup [09:56] <PurpleMotion> but the vanilla 2.6.11 is just spiffy [09:56] <RootX|Arphetic> Guys stfu and help me rofl... [09:56] <som1> heh [09:56] <PurpleMotion> RootX|Arphetic: i would if i could, but i cant, so i wont [09:56] <RootX|Arphetic> mmmm [09:56] <PurpleMotion> serisouly, i know zero about the installer, sorry [09:56] <kemik> Ronan: ah [09:56] <RootX|Arphetic> to ba [09:56] <RootX|Arphetic> bad* [09:57] <Ronan> kemik, how would I mount my other hard drive? [09:57] <kemik> !ntfs [09:57] <ubotu> somebody said ntfs was the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab [09:57] <n1xt3r> ATI_RAGE_: I'm using debian's 2.6.11 for powerpc [09:57] <ATI_RAGE_> thoreauputic, ahh so it is not a perfect upgrade [09:58] <goldenfox> help [09:58] <kemik> Ronan: add something like /dev/hdb1 /mountpoint ntfs ro,uid=youruser,gid=youruser 0 1 [09:58] <thoreauputic> ATI_RAGE_: I gather the advice is to steer clear of the ubuntu 2.6.11 [09:58] <goldenfox> i still cant change the resolution of my ubuntu [09:58] <kemik> Ronan: is it a single-user-system? [09:58] <Ronan> kemik, awesome, thanks. Yeah. [09:58] <ATI_RAGE_> Sounds good [09:59] <kemik> Ronan: of course you'll have to make sure /dev/hdX# is correct [09:59] <ATI_RAGE_> thoreauputic, to upgrade a kernel under Ubuntu you can do it through apt-get? [09:59] <goldenfox> dirtier? [09:59] <thoreauputic> ATI_RAGE_: yes - apt-cache search linux-image [09:59] <ATI_RAGE_> or do you do the whole compile, edit grub files [09:59] <Ronan> kemik, it's hda1 [09:59] <PurpleMotion> im gonna reword the ntfs factoid a touch [09:59] <alex__> Hello! I've GDM on my ubuntu, but i'd like to use the startx command without start gnome.how can i deactivate gdm (without remove it)? [10:00] <PurpleMotion> ubotu forget ntfs [10:00] <ubotu> PurpleMotion: i forgot ntfs [10:00] <PurpleMotion> ubotu ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab [10:00] <ubotu> okay, PurpleMotion [10:00] <kemik> Ronan: ok. just add that line to /etc/fstab then [10:00] <Ronan> kemic, which "chmod" makes it writable, 500 or something? [10:01] <PurpleMotion> shoudl have made that (NT) (F)ile(S)ystem [10:01] <PurpleMotion> Ronan: chmod +w [10:01] <Ronan> purplemotion, thanks. [10:01] <kemik> Ronan: NTFS isnt writable in linux (you can achieve it, but it is not safe or recommended) [10:01] <PurpleMotion> Ronan: a+w (all) g+w (group) u+w (user, default) [10:02] <alex__> HELLO! I've GDM on my ubuntu, but i'd like to use the startx command without start gnome.how can i deactivate gdm (without remove it)? [10:02] <PurpleMotion> kemik: it's writable, it's just volatile in such a state [10:02] <Ronan> (00:59:02) ashtray911usa: im fucking in pain and its been like 2 hours and it hasnt done shit [10:02] <Ronan> (00:59:07) ashtray911usa: im getting weed [10:02] <Ronan> er [10:02] <Ronan> ... chmod: changing permissions of `/etc/fstab': Operation not permitted [10:02] <PurpleMotion> alex__: rm -f /etc/rc2.d/*gdm [10:02] <kemik> Ronan: dont chmod fstab [10:02] <PurpleMotion> err [10:02] <kemik> Ronan: edit it with "sudo gedit /etc/fstab" [10:02] <PurpleMotion> rm -f /etc/rc2.d/S*gdm [10:02] <thoreauputic> alex__: echo "false" | sudo tee /etc/X11/default-display-manager [10:03] <Ronan> kemik, i tried to but it wont let me. [10:03] <PurpleMotion> or do it that way [10:03] <PurpleMotion> heh [10:03] <PurpleMotion> either will effectively do what you want [10:03] <alex__> thoreauputic: and if i will want to reable it? i guess $ echo "true" | sudo tee ... [10:03] <ATI_RAGE_> thanks for the help thoreauputic [10:03] <PurpleMotion> im just so used to manually editing my sys-v init system, i can't unlearn the old ways [10:03] <thoreauputic> aleksi: no [10:04] <kemik> Ronan: that sounds really weird.. whats the errormsg? [10:04] <Ronan> chmod: changing permissions of `/etc/fstab': Operation not permitted [10:04] <thoreauputic> alex__: you would edit that file and put /usr/bin/gdm [10:04] <Ronan> kemik, er...it just wont let me type. [10:04] <thoreauputic> aleksi: soory tab error [10:04] <Ronan> kemik, nevermind, got it. [10:04] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: you can onit the absolute path, cant you? [10:04] <jtan325> does anyone know anything about making their own man pages [10:04] <PurpleMotion> Hai skalpel [10:05] <skalpel> hai PurpleMotion [10:05] <skalpel> how are you [10:05] <skalpel> <3 ubuntu [10:05] <PurpleMotion> ssdd, bro [10:05] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: probably - that's just what mt file contains [10:05] <thoreauputic> *my [10:05] <PurpleMotion> <3 ubuntu, as well as <3 KDE [10:05] <ernie> question, how do i check sfv and md5 files in console [10:05] <PurpleMotion> skalpel: got new screen shots up... http://www.daede.com/2x3Desktop.jpg [10:05] <ernie> md5check? [10:06] <PurpleMotion> md5sum [10:06] <ernie> but for sfv? [10:06] <PurpleMotion> md5sum -c checksum file [10:06] <kemik> PurpleMotion: which xchat mod are you using? [10:07] <PurpleMotion> what do you mean? [10:07] <PurpleMotion> im using the xchat that came with ubuntu :) [10:07] <PurpleMotion> I just personalized it [10:07] <kemik> hmm.. gotta look harder at the pref's then.. [10:07] <PurpleMotion> what is it you would like to do? [10:07] <skalpel> PurpleMotion: that is easily the most gorgeous kde desktop i have ever seen [10:08] <kemik> get my channelbuttons smaller... [10:08] <skalpel> PurpleMotion: im gonna save that for later. ;) [10:08] <budluva> can anyone tell me why my dvd burner ND-3520A which is a 16x/16x DL burner, can only burn at 8x even with 16x media? [10:08] <PurpleMotion> skalpel: tyVm :) i thought so too [10:08] <hardkaare> Hi, How do I install the newsest totem from backport? [10:08] <PurpleMotion> kemik: i have no channel buttons [10:08] <budluva> ernie, cfv is good [10:08] <Ronan> kemik, /dev/hda1 /media/windowshd ntfs ro,uid=Ronan,gid=Ronan 0 1 [10:08] <Ronan> kemik, right? [10:08] <PurpleMotion> just lag and byte info [10:08] <kemik> PurpleMotion: yeah , the ones #Linux and #Ubuntu [10:09] <kemik> upper left corner [10:09] <zloi> help plz !!!! [10:09] <zloi> c help plz !!!! [10:09] <PurpleMotion> oh [10:09] <killahkosha> Wow, gnome is freakishly minimalistic, I love it :) [10:09] <kemik> Ronan: that looks good [10:09] <PurpleMotion> kemik: I have the 'DotNet' and 'DotNet 2' KDE styles installed, and DotNet2 is the current one [10:09] <Ronan> kemik, do i have to restart linux or something? it's not showing up when I open the folder. [10:09] <PurpleMotion> it's what makes the buttons look as they do [10:10] <kemik> PurpleMotion: oh.. damn.. im in gnome :/ [10:12] <kemik> Ronan: im not sure if there's a command to cycle fstab, but you can do "sudo mount -t ntfs -o ro,uid=Ronan,gid=Ronan /dev/hda1 /media/windowshd" [10:12] <Ronan> kemik, thanks. [10:13] <liran> anyone heard of ltsp? [10:13] <dirty> is there a repository that has clearbox and the big pack of clearlooks themes? [10:13] <MrPockets> hey, is anyone runnng Gaim? [10:13] <Ronan> kemik, mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1, [10:13] <Ronan> (some more stuff) [10:14] <liran> MrPockets, yeah what about gaim? [10:14] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: which media player/ skin is that in your screenshot ? [10:14] <MrPockets> i was dickng around with it and im dwondering if someone can send me a message [10:14] <MrPockets> no ones on at 3:00 in the mornng [10:14] <MrPockets> names N915AA [10:14] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: mplayer/sessene [10:15] <kemik> Ronan: not sure whats gone wrong there [10:15] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: ah - thanks :) [10:15] <Ronan> kemik, In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try [10:15] <Ronan> dmesg | tail or so [10:15] <kemik> Ronan: are you sure its /dev/hda1 and not hda2/3/4 etc ? [10:16] <Ronan> kemik, oh wait, shit. I don't know where it is, SHOULD it be /dev/hda1 ? [10:16] <EdLin> kemik, "sudo fdisk -l" to find out [10:16] <EdLin> er, make that fdisk -l /dev/hda [10:16] <eliphas_> morning [10:16] <PurpleMotion> skalpel: you should see my jornada ;) [10:16] <Ronan> kemik, yeah /dev/hda1 [10:17] <kemik> Ronan: fdisk told you that ? [10:17] <kemik> hmm [10:17] <Ronan> kemik, nah, i found it with my file browser thing. [10:17] <kemik> Ronan: that's not necessarily the right one [10:17] <kemik> Ronan: use the stuff EdLin told me about [10:18] <Ronan> Cannot open /dev/hda [10:18] <kemik> sudo [10:18] <EdLin> Ronan, you need to use sudo [10:18] <Ronan> ah [10:18] <Ronan> Disk /dev/hda1 doesn't contain a valid partition table [10:18] <Ronan> , [10:18] <ernie> thanks budluva [10:18] <ernie> :-) [10:19] <Ronan> Disk /dev/hda2: 79.9 GB, 79941496320 bytes [10:19] <Ronan> [10:19] <Ronan> Disk /dev/hda2 doesn't contain a valid partition table [10:19] <Ronan> :-( [10:19] <EdLin> Ronan, don't specify the partition, use the device for the whole disk, /dev/hda, /dev/hdb, etc. No numbers [10:20] <skalpel> PurpleMotion: what is a jornada [10:20] <skalpel> PurpleMotion: and when can i see it? [10:20] <oggle> man every nick is registed [10:20] <oggle> registered* [10:20] <Ronan> edlin, it says it's Linux. then there's a Linux LVM [10:20] <PurpleMotion> skalpel: it's a windows ce 2.11 powered handheld computer. and im uploading a screenshot now [10:21] <osfameron> mornin' all :-) [10:21] <kemik> Ronan: paste it on pastebin [10:21] <kemik> !pate [10:21] <ubotu> kemik: Did you get hit by a windmill? [10:21] <kemik> !paste [10:21] <skalpel> PurpleMotion: haha okay [10:21] <ubotu> paste is, like, please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text [10:21] <oggle> hey what gui ftp based program do you guys recommend for kde? [10:21] <EdLin> Ronan, yes, that's the sort of information you'll find. [10:21] <PurpleMotion> I use gftp [10:21] <Ronan> pastebin? [10:21] <goldenfox> kftp? [10:21] <Ronan> kemik, pastebin? [10:21] <PurpleMotion> i dont think there IS a kftp, heh [10:21] <oggle> oh ok [10:21] <oggle> gftp will do [10:22] <goldenfox> :) [10:22] <thoreauputic> you can use konqueror as an ftp client [10:22] <kemik> getting gftp to use ssl is a b*thc [10:22] <goldenfox> huh? [10:22] <PurpleMotion> i dont like konquerors ftp setup [10:22] <goldenfox> help!!! i'm stuck [10:23] <goldenfox> i cant change the video resolution... anybody? [10:23] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: I wasn't recommending it - merely saying it was usable :) [10:24] <goldenfox> anyone? [10:24] <goldenfox> video settings problem here. [10:24] <PurpleMotion> true [10:24] <kemik> thoreauputic: im guessing that cant be too often :P [10:24] <EdLin> goldenfox, what problem are you having? [10:24] <thoreauputic> kemik: true :) [10:25] <goldenfox> EdLin: I can't change screen resolution [10:25] <hardkaare> How can I get the newest totem installed??? [10:25] <Ronan> kemik, if i change the order of the hdd boots in BIOS, will hda become hdb? [10:25] <thoreauputic> kemik: but lftp is surprisingly powerful and easy [10:25] <EdLin> goldenfox, you'll need to do that in /etc/X11/xorg.conf then restart X [10:25] <goldenfox> i did EdLin. but got no luck [10:25] <EdLin> goldenfox, the first resolution listed will be the default [10:26] <goldenfox> ok [10:26] <PurpleMotion> skalpel, all: My H/PC: http://www.daede.com/Jornada690.jpg [10:26] <Ronan> EdLin, if i change the order of the hdd boots in BIOS, will hda become hdb? [10:26] <goldenfox> how can i change that? [10:26] <EdLin> Ronan, I don't know [10:27] <EdLin> Ronan, I don't think so [10:27] <skalpel> PurpleMotion: very cool [10:27] <EdLin> goldenfox, editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf [10:27] <Ronan> edlin, okay good. [10:27] <goldenfox> EdLin: is there any other alternative aside editing that file? [10:27] <Ronan> edlin, then why does fdisk say all my partitiotns, on both drives are Linux. [10:28] <EdLin> Ronan, actually, I suspect changing the boot order won't change anything, the disk device is determined by controller + master/slave [10:28] <Ronan> edlin, Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, thanks. [10:29] <EdLin> goldenfox, not that I know of. [10:29] <EdLin> goldenfox, you could run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to change it in a menu-driven program. [10:29] <goldenfox> EdLin: I cant change resolution in the >>System>>Change Resolution Preference. It only displays a 640x480 res [10:30] <EdLin> goldenfox, what video driver is listed? [10:30] <younes> hi [10:30] <younes> in which package we can find stdc++ library ? [10:30] <younes> please [10:30] <PurpleMotion> skalpel: it's got a Hitachi Super-H SH3 133MHz RiSC processor, 32MB built in memory, a 56K (flex) modem, a 16bpp 640x240 active-tft touchscreen display, a 72 key keyboard, a standard pcmcia slot, a compact flash type i & ii slot (with a 35x 256MB CFdisk), infrared port, serial connection port, docking station, and WinCE 2.11 fully complimented [10:30] <goldenfox> EdLin: its nvidia [10:31] <PurpleMotion> oh and it runs (with active use) for eight hours on a charge (no moving parts) [10:31] <EdLin> younes, "apt-cache search stdc++" will help you. [10:31] <EdLin> goldenfox, do you get the splash screen? [10:32] <goldenfox> EdLin: yep i a splash screen [10:32] <EdLin> goldenfox, how does glxgears work? [10:32] <younes> thank you, Edlin ;) [10:33] <PurpleMotion> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). [10:33] <PurpleMotion> 535 frames in 5.0 seconds = 107.000 FPS [10:33] <PurpleMotion> 557 frames in 5.0 seconds = 111.400 FPS [10:33] <PurpleMotion> heh [10:33] <PurpleMotion> but that was fgl_glxgears [10:33] <sn0n> whos using gaim ? [10:33] <PurpleMotion> I use gaim (not in irc though) [10:33] <jtan325> i do [10:33] <sn0n> i have a silly Q,.. WTF does the Nautiuls plugin do [10:34] <PurpleMotion> who knows [10:34] <sn0n> Nautilus Integration 0.2 [10:34] <sn0n> Provides integration with Nautilus [10:34] <EdLin> goldenfox, is your monitor detected properly? If not you might want to specify the scan rates in xorg.conf as found in your owner's manual or on the web. [10:34] <PurpleMotion> i dont use gnome ;) [10:34] <sn0n> weird. [10:34] <sn0n> !google Nautilus Integration gaim [10:34] <ubotu> sn0n: I don't know [10:34] <skalpel> PurpleMotion: install linux :) [10:34] <killahkosha> Wow, this is perfect, the only game I play on the PC happens to be one of the few games for Linux :) [10:35] <EdLin> PurpleMotion, not using GNOME in Ubuntu is kind of strange. ;-) [10:35] <sn0n> oo [10:35] <sn0n> nice!!!! [10:35] <sn0n> Send To [10:35] <sn0n> so you can right click a file [10:35] <sn0n> and send to [10:35] <thoreauputic> EdLin: not really [10:35] <sn0n> a IM buddy [10:35] <sn0n> nice [10:35] <goldenfox> EdLin: okay. thanks. :) [10:35] <EdLin> sn0n, "enter" is not punctuation [10:35] <thoreauputic> EdLin: I use fluxbox, KDE, Gnome and xfce4 as the mood takes me ;) [10:36] <killahkosha> Haha wow, xfce4 [10:36] <killahkosha> bleh [10:36] <sn0n> EdLin, neither is a stick up your ass.. whats ur point? [10:36] <killahkosha> I remember using that, itw as just so bleh [10:36] <killahkosha> fluxbox though :) [10:36] <PurpleMotion> skalpel: I did, and I'm VERY active with the jlime people (I'm in #jlime right now), but I need my H/PC to be productive, and right now, linux is not very productive on the jornada.. there are a LOT of power management functions that need to be implemented in the kernel first (sleep/suspend) for the 6xx series.. see, WinCE is embedded into a ROM ont he device... every time I power down from linux, I have to go back through the w [10:36] <PurpleMotion> inCE setup and then run the boot loader again to get to linux (cause linux erases all wince data in memory when it loads) [10:36] <PurpleMotion> as it stands, it's a real pain in the ass [10:36] <thoreauputic> killahkosha: I used to dislike xfce - but xfce4 is quite good [10:36] <EdLin> sn0n, the point is when you do that you flood the channel. [10:37] <srijith> thoreauputic, quick question, which version of fluxbox? [10:37] <sn0n> and it happens quite often.. whats ur point? everyone does it.. and its not like its 'busy hour' in here right now. [10:37] <PurpleMotion> EdLin: KDE in Ubuntu us perfectly normal, it's called kubuntu-desktop [10:37] <thoreauputic> srijith: currently 0.9.12 [10:38] <killahkosha> Gnome is perfect for me, fast and minimalistic :) [10:38] <EdLin> PurpleMotion, true. [10:38] <srijith> thoreauputic, did you compile it yourself? synaptic version shows 0.9.11 [10:38] <PurpleMotion> skalpel: when a kernel is released that supports the jornada's native apm, i'll run linux on it 24/7 [10:38] <thoreauputic> srijith: I did indeed :) [10:38] <skalpel> PurpleMotion: i will be very proud of you, too [10:38] <r2d4> I have ATI Radeon 9600. Doesn't seem to work (Tux Racer crawls). Any suggestions. Does anyone have this card working? [10:38] <killahkosha> Wow, Enemy Territory actually gets the same fps as the Windows version does :) [10:38] <EdLin> PurpleMotion, part of what makes Ubuntu special though is the GNOME (and KDE) features it has that other distros don't. If you're running fluxbox on Ubuntu all the time you might as well use vanilla Debian. [10:39] <PurpleMotion> skalpel: I installed linux on it last night to check out a new userland.. very nice, it was.. sped things up considerably [10:39] <jiggafellz> what file system should i use for the partition to which i am installing ubuntu? [10:39] <srijith> thoreauputic, how easy is it to get the whole compile+install from soucre right? I was planning to get to 0.9.13 and just putting it off because of fear of too many breaks [10:40] <EdLin> jiggafellz, ext3 is pretty rock-solid. [10:40] <thoreauputic> srijith: you just need xlibs-dev I think [10:40] <jiggafellz> ty [10:40] <ATI_RAGE_> thoreauputic, definately stay away from 2.6.11 [10:40] <PurpleMotion> EdLin: except the maintenance on debian is horrific to put it mildly.. I use K/Ubuntu for two main reasons, 1) it's updated on a regular schedule, and 2) the people in this channel right here [10:40] <srijith> thoreauputic: is it as simple as uninstalling 0.9.11 and following the process laid out in the source's README/INSTALL? [10:40] <killahkosha> Ok, I have everything running perfectly, how bout a good site to get Gnome themes? [10:40] <thoreauputic> srijith: I used checkinstall to make a deb [10:40] <PurpleMotion> EdLin: even ubuntu's xfce system is updated more than debians [10:40] <PurpleMotion> heh [10:41] <PurpleMotion> but im running kde [10:41] <PurpleMotion> EdLin: you see my screenshots? [10:41] <thoreauputic> srijith: the ubuntu version has a bug that is fixed by using --disable-xmb in ./configure [10:41] <EdLin> PurpleMotion, no, what's the URL? [10:41] <srijith> thoreauputic: thanks, am from FC world, so slowly getting the hang of debian, ubuntu package system. [10:41] <PurpleMotion> EdLin: http://www.daede.com/2x3Desktop.jpg && http://www.daede.com/Jornada690.jpg [10:41] <thoreauputic> srijith: I recommend using checkinstall [10:41] <PurpleMotion> that's what *I* did with ubuntu :) [10:42] <kemik> PurpleMotion: #debian is horrible [10:42] <scrawny1> hey guys dumb question for ya's [10:42] <PurpleMotion> kemik: here, here! [10:42] <srijith> thoreauputic: I need to first find out what the efff is checkinstall :) [10:42] <scrawny1> when is X-chat getting updated to 2.4.4 for ubuntu? [10:42] <thoreauputic> srijith: it doesn't make a "debianised" .deb but it is fine for local install [10:42] <thoreauputic> srijith: apt-cache show checkinstall :) [10:43] <TPC> ok, I installed a game from debian because the ubuntu ones were outdated. when I added them with dpkg it complained about some dependency about a font that ubuntu didn't have, but I added it anyway using dpkg --force. the game works fine no problems at all. [10:43] <Rayen> hi, a friend of mine has a problem with his keyboard. It works fine in X , but when he opens up a Terminal or goes to Console, he can't type anything, (only the ENTER button responds). His keyboard is a Logitech Internet Keyboard and he tryed to several keyboards on it, without result! Does someone know how he could fix this problem? [10:43] <TPC> but when I try to apt-get upgrade now it complains about the missing font [10:43] <pef> hi [10:44] <TPC> I don't want to uninstall the game because it works fine [10:44] <PurpleMotion> why not just install the font [10:44] <TPC> is there anything I can do? [10:44] <EdLin> PurpleMotion, nice screenies [10:44] <kemik> TPC: just ignore it ? or install the font if you find it somewhere [10:44] <PurpleMotion> EdLin: tyvm [10:44] <TPC> kemik, I can't ignore it because it won't let me dist-upgrade before I do apt-get -f install, and that uninstalls the game [10:44] <srijith> thoreauputic: thanks.. so all I need to rember when compiling is the " --disable-xmb", and it should be smooth sailing? :) [10:44] <scrawny1> yeah this is what I love being ignored in a help channel [10:44] <killahkosha> How do I just install this .deb file that I downloaded? [10:45] <TPC> but I guess debian would have the font in their respitories [10:45] <PurpleMotion> EdLin: I've since changed window decorations to something a little flatter that matches the schema a little better, but other than that, it's my current desktop [10:45] <thoreauputic> srijith: yes but you probably also want --enable-kde and --enable-gnome [10:45] <srijith> no kde for me, so just gnome.. [10:46] <EdLin> PurpleMotion, I'm just using clearlooks with a background from gnome-backgrounds. [10:46] <thoreauputic> srijith: you will also need to make a fluxbox.desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions if you want an entry in gdm for the session [10:47] <srijith> thoreauputic: isnt it already there since I am using 0.9.11? [10:47] <srijith> yup .. it is there [10:47] <thoreauputic> srijith: no - it will point to the wrong place [10:47] <PurpleMotion> EdLin: clearlooks is pretty [10:47] <PurpleMotion> i like it a lot [10:48] <thoreauputic> srijith: you should put your compiled apps in /usr/local, not /usr/ [10:48] <srijith> thoreauputic: wrong location of what? the fluxbox exe? [10:48] <EdLin> PurpleMotion, me too. :) [10:48] <thoreauputic> srijith: see above [10:48] <srijith> haa ok [10:49] <thoreauputic> srijith: the Exec line will point at /usr/local/bin/startfluxbox or whatever script you prefer to use to launch fluxbox [10:49] <PurpleMotion> Okay, I've definately settled on a window deco [10:49] <PurpleMotion> Web fits this scheme _perfectly_ [10:51] <thoreauputic> srijith: of course if you prefer you can use ~/.xsession and choose the system session from gdm [10:51] <srijith> thoreauputic: yup, that is possible too.. [10:52] <thoreauputic> srijith: good fluxbox docs at http://fluxbox.org [10:53] <srijith> thoreauputic: thanks, have gone through them and have a pretty nifty minimalistic setup for myself [10:53] <thoreauputic> srijith: :) [10:54] <PurpleMotion> okay, lemme take new screenshots :) [10:56] <PurpleMotion> you people suddenly got quiet [10:56] <erchache> hi [10:57] <erchache> im trying to make a raid0 with 2 sata disk and when formatting appears [10:57] <erchache> Could not stat /dev/md/0p1 [10:57] <erchache> any can help me? [10:57] <PurpleMotion> dont know anything about raid, m8.. sorry [10:58] <PurpleMotion> brb [10:58] <root> bue [11:02] <jiggafellz> ok, i've created an Ext3 partition. it doesn't seem to have a drive letter. should i use \\.\disk2.part2\ as the install location? [11:05] <thoreauputic> jiggafellz: erm... this isn't windows... [11:05] <jiggafellz> i know [11:05] <jiggafellz> i am tryin got install. : | [11:05] <jiggafellz> trying to* [11:05] <mlacage_> hello. I know some people have likely asked this question too often but I can't get that stupid NetworkManager package to work on breezy [11:05] <jiggafellz> this is a help channel isn;t it? [11:06] <mlacage_> it seems it starts and stops immediately [11:06] <libanes> i need to left kde in spanish [11:06] <libanes> i need to install something? [11:06] <killahkosha> Wow the Nvidia optimization guide REALLY helped, went from 6000fps or so in glxgears to 9800fps [11:06] <libanes> thoreauputic, [11:07] <recover> Hi! Is there any way I can install ubuntu with a floppy? My CD drive is broken [11:09] <thoreauputic> libanes: /join #ubuntu-es perhaps? [11:09] <libanes> am there but anyone anwer [11:10] <selinium> hi all, anyone know of a decent command line audio convertor? IE FLAC to Ogg? [11:10] <selinium> libanes: what the problem? [11:10] <skalpel> what plugins do i need for totem to play .mov files? [11:10] <libanes> i need kde in spanish [11:11] <selinium> libanes: /j #ubuntu-es they should be able to help! [11:11] <thoreauputic> libanes: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales perhaps - but ask in the spanish channel [11:12] <selinium> hi thoreauputic [11:12] <thoreauputic> hi selinium :) [11:12] <skalpel> can someone tell me why mozilla-mplayer is so goddamn slow? [11:13] <libanes> i need something like this koffice-i18n-es but for kde [11:14] <libanes> meaby apt-get install kde-i18n-es [11:14] <libanes> yessss im right :D [11:14] <libanes> that works :D [11:14] <libanes> hahahaha lol [11:15] <selinium> skalpel: I dont find it slow... No slower the Media Player anyway. [11:15] <thoreauputic> libanes: by the way, for KDE questions a better channel is #kubuntu :) [11:16] <libanes> thanks dude [11:16] <ompaul> piracy@microsoft.com is great for that [11:16] <jiggafellz> recommended mount point? [11:16] <deufo> hi peeps, which dm do i use with xfce? [11:17] <Uthini> guys, if my machine runs, freezes, and then gives a 2-tone beep (hi-lo) is the motherboard dead? or the CPU? [11:17] <thoreauputic> deufo: doesn't really matter - most would probably use gdm [11:17] <eliphas_> i heard the xfce +gnone-panel is smooth [11:17] <deufo> thoreauputic, but i am going to do apt-get remove gnome* after installing xfce [11:17] <selinium> Uthini: Google sytem beeps [11:18] <Uthini> selinium: the system beep info i found indicates motherboard failure [11:18] <thoreauputic> deufo: you could use xdm or wdm I suppose (both are ugly IMO) [11:18] <deufo> btw, is it better to get xfce 4.2 through apt or by their installer [11:18] <Uthini> waht i would like to know is why i can time an egg to the mainboard failure [11:19] <thoreauputic> deufo: sudo apt-get install xfce4 [11:19] <deufo> thoreauputic, btw, how do i get suspend to work on xfce [11:19] <eliphas_> don't remove gnome by the way [11:19] <thoreauputic> deufo: no idea, sorry [11:19] <eliphas_> or you will loose some dependencies [11:20] <thoreauputic> deufo: xfce4 uses a lot of gtk2 stuff, so you would need that [11:21] <selinium> Uthini: you are off topic here, this is a ubuntu channel not a hardware one. [11:21] <deufo> thoreauputic, [11:21] <deufo> thoreauputic, ty [11:21] <deufo> eliphas_, icic [11:21] <thoreauputic> deufo: no problem :) [11:21] <deufo> eliphas_, u use xfce? [11:22] <eliphas_> yes [11:22] <deufo> eliphas_, u can use hibernate? [11:22] <eliphas_> I use xfce on my laptop [11:23] <deufo> eliphas_, so did u have to get a custom kernel and put suspend2 in it or did u find some other way? [11:23] <eliphas_> i don't custom at all [11:23] <eliphas_> cause I use for work [11:23] <deufo> eliphas_, so u have suspend? [11:23] <eliphas_> yes [11:23] <selinium> hi all, anyone know of a decent command line audio convertor? IE FLAC to Ogg? [11:23] <eliphas_> to save my batteries [11:24] <eliphas_> everthing works fine [11:24] <eliphas_> that's why i choose ubuntu [11:24] <deufo> eliphas_, how? last time i got xfce, there was no suspend [11:24] <eliphas_> ecveyrhing is recognized a pleasure [11:24] <thoreauputic> selinium: does sox do flac? Not sure... [11:24] <eliphas_> like i said don't get rid of gnome [11:25] <selinium> thoreauputic: I'll have a look, cheers [11:25] <deufo> eliphas_, icic, so i did u get with apt or installer? [11:25] <eliphas_> i don't know my laptop just got off by it self [11:25] <eliphas_> apt [11:25] <eliphas_> I do only apt [11:25] <eliphas_> then I am sure software have been stressed [11:25] <h_oLmes> :) [11:26] <skalpel> can someone tell me where to find gstreamer-lame?< [11:26] <deufo> eliphas_, so if u dun remove gnome, there'll be a hibernate option in xfce? [11:26] <eliphas_> like I said it is my toolsofr work I can't afford to moose stuff and moose time to recalibrate [11:26] <thoreauputic> skalpel: hmmm - multiverse I think [11:26] <PurpleMotion> okay [11:26] <eliphas_> use the gnome-panel upon xfce [11:27] <PurpleMotion> new screenshot (I'm actually satisfied with this one): http://www.daede.com/2x3Desktop.jpg [11:27] <skalpel> thoreauputic: nah i cannot find it anywhere in the repositories [11:27] <thoreauputic> skalpel: look for gstreamer0.8-lame [11:27] <tofirius> hello everyone... [11:28] <tofirius> i need to know where to add a command that will run after gnome loads [11:28] <tofirius> can anyone help? [11:28] <Seveas> system -> preferences -> session [11:28] <thoreauputic> skalpel: ah, it's in hoary-extras [11:28] <Seveas> ^-- tofirius [11:28] <deufo> eliphas_, i'm kind of confused, so u run gnome-panel in xfce? [11:28] <tofirius> aha... great! thanks! [11:29] <selinium> skalpel: /msg ubotu repos type that in here [11:29] <eliphas_> why not ? [11:29] <deufo> eliphas_, then why run xfce and not xfce? [11:29] <eliphas_> ?! [11:30] <PurpleMotion> Seveas: see my new screenshot, m8? [11:30] <tofirius> seveas... thank you! [11:30] <eliphas_> gnome to greedy in ressource then I use xfce +gnome_panel upon it [11:30] <deufo> eliphas_, isn't there a menu in xfce? [11:30] <selinium> thoreauputic: Damn, it does every file except flac! [11:31] <eliphas_> yeah but i too lazy to get the menu from gnome into xfce [11:31] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, the top right window of that is scary [11:31] <thoreauputic> selinium: hrm - you tried apt-cache search flac | grep convert or something ? [11:31] <PurpleMotion> Seveas: aye, tis why i put it in as an afterthought ;) [11:31] <kasz> hi guys, i just installed xorg-driver-fglrx and fglrx-control in the hopes of getting my ati radeon 9600 card working with 3d acceleration, but it doesnt seem to be working [11:31] <thoreauputic> selinium: scratch that [11:31] <PurpleMotion> but it runs flawlessly [11:31] <deufo> eliphas_, so wat u do with the xfce one? [11:32] <selinium> thoreauputic: Not that good with grep yet, me. :P [11:32] <eliphas_> i have it at the bottm [11:32] <eliphas_> when gnome-panel is at the top [11:32] <eliphas_> :) [11:32] <eliphas_> and when i don't need it i kill it [11:32] <deufo> eliphas_, icic, ty, btw so u put gnome-panel in ur .login rite? [11:32] <alie> how to stop X server [11:32] <killahkosha> I followed the directions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnomeComputerMenu for adding hard drives to be mounted. Well when I got to typing "mount -a" an error returned was "mount: mount point /mnt/hdd does not exist" [11:32] <eliphas_> no I call it when i need it [11:33] <alie> when i click ctrl + alt + backspace [11:33] <deufo> eliphas_, thx man [11:33] <alie> it restarts [11:33] <eliphas_> np [11:33] <eliphas_> you just type gnome-panel [11:33] <eliphas_> ok he is gone [11:33] <Seveas> kasz, you will need to edit xorg.conf too [11:33] <alie> how to stop X server when i click ctrl + alt + backspace it restarts [11:34] <Loki_VA> hi people [11:34] <anacron> what 'bout others than humans? [11:34] <thoreauputic> selinium: http://soundconverter.berlios.de/ [11:34] <Loki_VA> Is ubuntu a wise choice as a server? [11:34] <thoreauputic> selinium: pretty easy to install IIRC [11:34] <kasz> Seveas, do you know which driver to use? i am using the ati driver at the moment. i know nvidea has seperate drivers for 3d acceleration, but no idea about ati... [11:35] <alie> how to stop X server when i click ctrl + alt + backspace it restarts [11:35] <selinium> thoreauputic: Cheers fella, your a star! [11:35] <thoreauputic> selinium: :) [11:36] <PurpleMotion> alie: ctrl-alt-f1, login as yourself, then type: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop [11:36] <PurpleMotion> alie: then alt-f7 and ctrl-alt-backspace [11:36] <selinium> threauputic: Right i have not compiled anything from source before. Do you mind walking me trough it? [11:37] <thoreauputic> selinium: you have build-essential installed? [11:37] <biochemza> with desktop switching, I thought I could set the different desktops with different background images, but this doesn't appear to be the case in Ubuntu... am I doing something wrong or is there a setting I haven't switched on? [11:38] <thoreauputic> selinium: I also suggest you install "checkinstall" [11:38] <Sonderblade> how do you get non-ascii characters on windows shares to show up correctly in ubuntu? [11:39] <PurpleMotion> selinium: it's a rite of passage as a *nix user :) USUALLY, it requires 5 steps: 1) unpack the tarball (USUALLY tar zxfv your.file.tar.gz), 2) cd to that directory (cd directory-created-by-tarball), 3) ./configure 4) make 5) sudo make install [11:40] <selinium> threauputic: Ok both packages present and correct! [11:41] <selinium> PurpleMotion: Cheers for the pointer. [11:41] <thoreauputic> selinium: as PurpleMotion says, next step is to unpack it [11:41] <selinium> PurpleMotion: Anywhere? [11:41] <PurpleMotion> *I* make a src dir in $HOME [11:41] <vagamente> hi all... [11:41] <PurpleMotion> but thats just me [11:42] <selinium> PurpleMotion: Not a bad idea! [11:42] <thoreauputic> selinium: the only thing you would change in his instructions is to use "sudo checkinstall" instead of "make install" if you want to make a deb [11:42] <vagamente> does anyone know a good site where i could find a list of musical software for ubuntu???? [11:42] <PurpleMotion> oh he's making a deb [11:42] <PurpleMotion> ewps [11:42] <biochemza> vagamente: search for it in your Package Manager [11:42] <PurpleMotion> i always forget to do that and just install :D [11:42] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: no biggy - just my recommedation [11:42] <biochemza> vagamente: I recommed XMMS [11:43] <PurpleMotion> well, making a deb makes it a hell of a lot easier to manage [11:43] <[RedWire] > everyone recommends XMMS, best there is :) [11:43] <biochemza> Question about desktop switching - I thought I could set the different desktops with different background images, but this doesn't appear to be the case in Ubuntu... am I doing something wrong or is there a setting I haven't switched on? [11:43] <anacron> beep-player is good too [11:43] <Seveas> bmp rocks [11:43] <thoreauputic> selinium: if ./configure complains about missing libraries, you need the -dev versions [11:43] <anacron> but it doesn't support as many types as xmms as default [11:44] <anacron> ... was that even some language [11:44] <thoreauputic> biochemza: I don't think you can do that in gnome [11:44] <biochemza> thoreauputic: ah... bummer, thanks [11:44] <PurpleMotion> hrmm [11:44] <PurpleMotion> i should install partition magic and see if i can resize this fscking partition with it [11:44] <biochemza> anyone here use xmule? the program keeps hanging on me [11:45] <vagamente> biochemza: sorry... i meant a list of software like sequencer, recoder, drum machine... stuff like that... [11:45] <thoreauputic> biochemza: someone has probably made a gizmo to do it - I would google for it or visit gnome-files.org [11:45] <biochemza> vagamente: ah.... mmm, search for those keywords in the Package manager :) [11:47] <selinium> thoreauputic PurpleMotion: You cd into the folder then ./configure ? I got ./configure: No such file or directory [11:47] <thoreauputic> selinium: try "make" then [11:48] <thoreauputic> selinium: actually it appears to be a python app [11:48] <PurpleMotion> so you [11:48] <selinium> thoreauputic: oh yeah.. [11:48] <thoreauputic> selinium: ah, possibly no install step either - not sure about that [11:48] <PurpleMotion> python setup.py install [11:49] <thoreauputic> aha [11:49] <Lever> choy... I did bad. [11:49] <selinium> PurpleMotion: in the file? :) sorry to be a pain! [11:49] <Lever> Apparently libc6 is a very central package to the distrib... [11:50] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: there's no setup file [11:50] <PurpleMotion> oh [11:50] <PurpleMotion> wtf is he installing? bobs python app? heh [11:50] <selinium> thoreauputic PurpleMotion: There is a make file [11:50] <thoreauputic> selinium: did "make" complete without error? [11:50] <selinium> thoreauputic PurpleMotion: Didn't get a chance to try! :) [11:50] <PurpleMotion> you're beyond me now ;) I'm sure i could do it if i could see the package [11:50] <eliphas_> vagamente-> you have Studio to Go! but it is not free software [11:50] <selinium> thoreauputic PurpleMotion: Doing it now! [11:51] <robin_> I don't have a laptop, but I want to use suspend-to-ram (for my HTPC). If I use "echo mem > /sys/power/state", it complains that some tasks won't stop, so I just stop them manualy. But it won't go to sleep. dmesg says "restarting tasks.." imediatly after going to suspend. Hmm, what am I doing wrong. [11:51] <selinium> thoreauputic PurpleMotion: make: Nothing to be done for `all'. [11:51] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: yeah it's a bit weird - but it worked when I tried it - it was a while ago though... [11:51] <Lever> I upgraded libc6 to another version(from debian), and now I can't install things with apt, since they depend on a previous version of libc6... How can I fix this? Forcably install an older version? [11:51] <thoreauputic> bah [11:51] <Seveas> Lever, libc6 is the second-most inportant thing [11:51] <Seveas> you should not fiddle with it. [11:51] <thoreauputic> selinium: read the README file in the dir [11:51] <Lever> yeah.. live and learn :/ [11:52] <PurpleMotion> brb, folks.. installing PM in my 98 VM.... gonna see if i can resize this friggen partition [11:52] <Lever> Am I totally screwed? [11:52] <Seveas> did you only update libc6 or also other things from debiam? [11:52] <[RedWire] > oh please telling a linux user not to fiddle with something is like saying don't think of elephants :) [11:52] <Lever> well.. may I pm you Seveas? I'll explain what I did [11:52] <Seveas> ok [11:53] <Seveas> [RedWire] , don't think of elephants :) [11:53] <[RedWire] > hehe [11:53] <thoreauputic> selinium: /msg me - I need to see what's in the Directory [11:53] <selinium> thoreauputic PurpleMotion: make: LOL that reads liek gibberish to me ! [11:54] <selinium> (you'll have to replace LANG with the appropriate 2 letters country code) [11:54] <selinium> [11:54] <selinium> 1. create or update pot file: [11:54] <selinium> xgettext ../soundconverter.py ../soundconverter.glade -o soundconverter.pot [11:54] <selinium> 2. create po file for a new language: [11:54] <selinium> cp soundconverter.pot LANG.po [11:54] <selinium> or update a po file: [11:54] <selinium> msgmerge -U LANG.po soundconverter.pot [11:54] <selinium> 3. edit the po file with your favorite po editor (gtranslator, kbabel, ...). [11:54] <selinium> 4. create and install the binary mo file: [11:54] <robin_> I don't have a laptop, but I want to use suspend-to-ram (for my HTPC). If I use "echo mem > /sys/power/state", it complains that some tasks won't stop, so I just stop them manualy. But it won't go to sleep. dmesg says "restarting tasks.." imediatly after going to suspend. Hmm, what am I doing wrong. [11:54] <selinium> msgfmt LANG.po -o soundconverter_LANG.mo [11:54] <Seveas> selinium, pasting is not allowed.... [11:55] <Ronan> Once I install something, How do I get it in the "applications" menu? [11:56] <thoreauputic> Seveas: I know what he did - he tried to send output with the /msg command and it spilled into the channel [11:56] <bimberi> Ronan: some apps don't put entries in the menu automatically - if that's the case you can use "smeg" to create one ... [11:56] <bimberi> !smeg [11:57] <ubotu> somebody said smeg was a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports. [11:57] <Ronan> Thanks a ton. [11:57] <Ronan> Also, when I click links, my browser doesn't open them automatically. How can I fix this? [11:57] <bimberi> yw :) [11:57] <Seveas> selinium, on a completely different subject: I finished backporting gammu/wammu [11:57] <selinium> Seveas: sorry, i know that it should of gone through /msg [11:58] <selinium> Seveas, cool! [11:58] <onno> how can I install pfm fonts? [11:58] <bimberi> Ronan: xchat? [11:58] <Ronan> Bimberi, yep. [11:58] <onno> do they work on GNU/Linux [11:58] <Seveas> selinium, http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/deb/ [11:59] <selinium> Seveas: Cheers, i'll gett it now! :) [11:59] <bimberi> Ronan: AFAIK you can only right-click -> Mozilla Firefox -> Open In... [11:59] <gftp> hi. i did intall limewire. however when i click at icons... nothing happen... can anybody asis me [11:59] <bimberi> Ronan: but others may know better :) [11:59] <Ronan> bimberi, heh, thanks. :) [12:01] <stjepan> hello [12:01] <stjepan> I wrote bash script to set wlan adsl [12:01] <stjepan> how can I let it execute on boot? [12:02] <bimberi> stjepan: you could add it to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh [12:02] <Ronan> bimberi, This is weird. The .deb came with a binary and two other files. What do I do with them? [12:02] <tomaj> is there a way to add ntfs writing without recompiling kernel? module maybe? [12:02] <stjepan> bimberi: are you sure? [12:02] <stjepan> :) [12:02] <robin_> _please_ could someone point me how to go in suspend-to-ram ? [12:03] <bimberi> stjepan: never :) [12:03] <stjepan> so what should I do? [12:03] <bimberi> Ronan: iirc one of the files is a script to be run [12:03] <bimberi> stjepan: try it and see if it works :) [12:04] <stjepan> huh [12:04] <Ronan> bimberi excuse me? :x [12:05] <bimberi> stjepan: sorry if I'm not being clear. Edit that file to call your script [12:05] <robin_> I need to go to suspend-to-ram from the console. Not with GNOME. [12:06] <bimberi> Ronan: are you looking at the deb with the file archiver? [12:07] <Ronan> bimberi yep [12:07] <Ronan> bimberi er, archive manager [12:08] <bimberi> Ronan: ok, close that, open a terminal, navigate to the directory where you downloaded it and type "dpkg -i whater-its-called.deb" [12:08] <Ronan> bimberi thanks [12:08] <bimberi> Ronan: oops - make that "sudo dpkg..." [12:08] <Ronan> bimberi of course :x [12:09] <Ronan> bimberi Errors were encountered while processing: [12:09] <Ronan> smeg [12:09] <Ronan> :/ [12:10] <bimberi> Ronan: ok - probably dependency issues? [12:10] <Ronan> bimberi yeah [12:10] <sampoo> i have a problem with a PS/2 mouse on Ubuntu 5.04 [12:11] <sampoo> i have a wireless USB mouse + keyboard of which i don't want to use the mouse [12:11] <sampoo> so i use a normal PS/2 mouse instead [12:11] <bimberi> Ronan: Try the installsmeg script instead from that website - the "this script" link [12:11] <sampoo> on windows, everything works fine [12:11] <Ronan> bimberi will try [12:11] <sampoo> but not on ubuntu, the ps/2 mouse does not respond [12:12] <sampoo> anyone an idea to get that mouse working? [12:12] <killahkosha> Wow, my printer just...worked. [12:12] <killahkosha> No messing around.. [12:12] <killahkosha> wow [12:12] <killahkosha> that was...amaing [12:12] <Ronan> Congradulations lol [12:12] <killahkosha> amazing* [12:12] <Ronan> old printer? [12:12] <killahkosha> noah, newer one, but a cheapy one that relies on Windows to print [12:12] <killahkosha> so I didn't expect it to work [12:12] <Ronan> cool [12:13] <killahkosha> so then I found this obscure driver and wasn't really looking forward to compiling and all that [12:13] <killahkosha> and then i just went to the printer config thing [12:13] <killahkosha> and ends up it had it preinstalled :) [12:13] <Ronan> :D! [12:13] <Seveas> killahkosha, hehe :) [12:13] <bimberi> Hi killahkosha - good to hear something went smoothly for you :) [12:14] <killahkosha> hehe yeah, i was very surprised, even easier than Windows :) [12:14] <Ronan> I can never freaking download these scripts, they always show up as text. [12:14] <bimberi> Ronan: Right click -> Save Link As [12:14] <Ronan> It saves the HTML [12:15] <Ronan> But I can do it, no worries. [12:15] <bimberi> Ronan: k sorry :) [12:16] <Ronan> bimberi, what do i run the file with though? Terminal? [12:16] <bimberi> Ronan: yep [12:16] <sampoo> is there someone here that has experience with xorg? (even a little might be helpful) [12:16] <guillem> Anyone has experience with DVD-RAM? [12:16] <Ronan> bimberi I get errors when I run it with terminal -.-' [12:17] <bimberi> Ronan: paste them to a pastebin... [12:17] <bimberi> !pastebin [12:17] <ubotu> I heard pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl [12:17] <Ronan> !pastebin [12:17] <ubotu> I guess pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl [12:18] <liable> paste screenshots? [12:18] <bimberi> liable: yes, Seveas has been busy :) [12:18] <zukalk> hey all [12:19] <liable> bimberi: how do you do that? [12:19] <Ronan> ronan@ubuntu:~$ sudo bash /home/ronan/Desktop/installsmeg [12:19] <Ronan> /home/ronan/Desktop/installsmeg: line 2: import: command not found [12:19] <Ronan> /home/ronan/Desktop/installsmeg: line 4: cmds: command not found [12:19] <Ronan> /home/ronan/Desktop/installsmeg: line 5: syntax error near unexpected token `,' [12:19] <Ronan> /home/ronan/Desktop/installsmeg: line 5: ` ('Getting files...', 'wget http://dev.realistanew.com/gnome-menus/libgnome-menu0_2.10.2-0ubuntu1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb'),' [12:19] <Ronan> er [12:19] <Ronan> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1315 [12:20] <bimberi> Ronan: try "./installsmeg" [12:20] <robin_> #join ubuntu-nl [12:20] <robin_> oops [12:20] <Ronan> bimberi sudo bash ./installsmeg [12:20] <Ronan> bimberi ? [12:21] <whitecat> anyone know a good app to read or convert .lit ebooks in ubuntu ? [12:21] <bimberi> Ronan: no, just ./installsmeg [12:21] <bimberi> Ronan: the script has sudo commands within [12:21] <Ronan> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1315 [12:21] <Ronan> er [12:21] <Ronan> bash: ./installsmeg: No such file or directory [12:22] <Seveas> Ronan, sudo python installsmeg [12:22] <bimberi> Ronan: apologies ... [12:22] <Seveas> Ronan, and do not paste in here! [12:22] <onno> how can I install pfm fonts? do the work on Ubuntu [12:22] <Ronan> sorry :x [12:22] <bimberi> Ronan: /home/ronan/Desktop/installsmeg [12:22] <bimberi> Seveas: 'twas an accident [12:22] <Ronan> bimberi says permission denied. [12:22] <Seveas> bimberi, that's why I was polite :) [12:23] <bimberi> Ronan: sudo python /home/ronan/Desktop/installsmeg [12:23] <Seveas> Ronan, try sudo python ~/Desktop/installsmeg [12:23] <Ronan> seveas yeah, thanks :D it's "getting files" :D [12:23] <bimberi> Seveas: as ever :) [12:23] <Ronan> bimberi Thanks :D [12:24] <deufo> hi, i opened nautilus in xfce, now i can't open the menu by right clicking on the bg [12:24] <deufo> anyone know how to fix? [12:24] <bimberi> Ronan: yw - glad we got there :) [12:25] <Ronan> bimberi :D, Now about mounting my other hard drive, LOL [12:26] <thoreauputic> deufo: yeah, you need to edit the menu and put nautilus --no-desktop [12:26] <bimberi> Ronan: tell us about your other drive :) [12:26] <deufo> thoreauputic, so how i kill it, i can't right click on menu [12:26] <tomaj> is there a way to add ntfs writing without recompiling kernel? module maybe? [12:26] <Ronan> bimberi Well, It's all NTFS as far as I know, It's hda1, but fdisk -l says it's all Linux. I would like to mount it (i have music on there >_>) [12:27] <thoreauputic> deufo: same thing happened to me - try ctrl-alt-F1 ; get a prompt ; killall nautilus [12:27] <zukalk> wow, didn't know Galeon had mouse gestures.. [12:27] <bimberi> Ronan: Sounds like a job for ... [12:27] <bimberi> !winmac_fstab [12:27] <ubotu> from memory, winmac_fstab is A script that facilitates easy mounting of NTFS/FAT (Windows) and HFS+ (Mac) hard drives and partitions. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/ [12:27] <Ronan> bimberi I tried that. I [12:28] <deufo> thoreauputic, that doesn't kill nething [12:28] <skalpel> can someone tell me what this means? "/home/bonnie/...Ghost is Born" cannot be moved because you do not have permissions to change it or its parent folder. [12:28] <tomaj> skalpel it means that the file/folder probably has root as its owner [12:28] <thoreauputic> deufo: or start a terminal from the dock/panel and type xkil, then use the mouse to zap the background [12:28] <thoreauputic> deufo: sorry xkill [12:29] <Klaus_Dieter> hello world [12:29] <robin_> _please_ could someone point me how to go in suspend-to-ram ? [12:29] <robin_> I need to go to suspend-to-ram from the console. Not with GNOME. [12:29] <tomaj> is there a way to add ntfs writing without recompiling kernel? module maybe? [12:29] <dirty> ive added #ubuntu to the channels i log at www.badicalia.com, its a searchable url logger [12:29] <Klaus_Dieter> I cannot start synaptic as root in X because it tells me that it cannot open the display for root.... what should I do here? [12:29] <Klaus_Dieter> tomaj with captive there is [12:29] <deufo> thoreauputic, nope [12:29] <Ronan> !pastebin [12:29] <ubotu> well, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl [12:29] <dirty> to who might be interested [12:29] <mjr> *35*11 [12:30] <tomaj> Klaus_Dieter what's captive? [12:30] <thoreauputic> deufo: bah - well if you don't mind zapping your session do a ctrl-alt-backspace to kill X [12:30] <antix> will breezy be released in october? I think I'll wait with a shipit order in that case.. when are new cd:s with breezy expected? [12:30] <deufo> thoreauputic, tried that as well [12:31] <thoreauputic> deufo: no response? [12:31] <Seveas> Klaus_Dieter, you should start synaptic as normal user with sudo synaptic [12:31] <Ronan> bimberi http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1318 [12:31] <Cayamara> tomaj: http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ [12:31] <tomaj> thanks cayamara [12:31] <Cayamara> tomaj: captive lets you use the ntfs drivers from windows [12:31] <thoreauputic> deufo: can you hit the logout button on the dock? [12:31] <deufo> thoreauputic, it kills x, but when i reboot and start xfce, theres still no right click menu [12:31] <Jupiler> no [12:31] <deufo> thoreauputic, yes [12:32] <thoreauputic> deufo: oh, it's saving your session apparently [12:32] <skalpel> is it safe to do chmod 777 -R /home [12:32] <skalpel> as root? [12:32] <deufo> thoreauputic, i tried rebooting and not saving session [12:32] <thoreauputic> deufo: complete reboot and still the same? [12:32] <thoreauputic> deufo: weird [12:32] <deufo> thoreauputic, yep [12:32] <thoreauputic> :( [12:32] <tomaj> can you use captive without having write enabled in the kernel? [12:32] <skalpel> thoreauputic: can you answer that question for me? [12:33] <tomaj> skalpel [12:33] <thoreauputic> skalpel: why would you do that? [12:33] <deufo> skalpel, why would u want to do that [12:33] <thoreauputic> skalpel: bad idea [12:33] <skalpel> how do i undo it? [12:33] <tomaj> a better way to do it would be to do chown on the individual folders for the respective users [12:33] <skalpel> :) [12:33] <deufo> skalpel, u normally do that to make something executable [12:34] <skalpel> deufo: i just want read/write access between my users for all of their folders, so different users can ssh in and have access to other useres folders [12:34] <thoreauputic> skalpel: chmod 755 /home [12:34] <bimberi> Ronan: fdisk -l says all Linux - it would seem that winmac_fstab agrees :| [12:34] <joel1> hi [12:34] <deufo> skalpel chmod 755 home [12:34] <dmoyne> hello ! ; I want to convert all my file names from iso 8859-15 encoding into utf-8 encoding ! ; how can I proceed ? ; thanks [12:35] <Ronan> bimberi Dear Hell. Don't tell me I erased everything...... [12:35] <deufo> skalpel, chmod a+rw /home [12:35] <deufo> i think [12:35] <Ronan> bimberi all my work, music, pictures, files, gah. Oh well. [12:35] <thoreauputic> deufo: that's the same as 755 [12:35] <selinium> Seveas: are you about? I'm having some problems install gammu/wammu [12:35] <Ronan> bimberi well, then how do I mount that linux drive? I had music on that too >_> [12:36] <deufo> thoreauputic, i find that noobs are more comformatable with a+rw cuz they can actually understand it easier [12:36] <thoreauputic> deufo: oops - yes you are right [12:36] <bimberi> Ronan: pastebin the fdisk -l output [12:36] <skalpel> deufo: thank you very much [12:36] <tomaj> cayamara so does captive work without ntfs write in kernel? [12:36] <deufo> thoreauputic, btw, in chmod, 1 is executable rite? [12:36] <thoreauputic> deufo: yes [12:37] <kemik> skalpel: a+rwx i'd say [12:37] <deufo> thoreauputic, so any tips on my problem, should i try and reinstall xfce? [12:37] <Seveas> selinium, paste error messages in a private chat please [12:37] <Seveas> and /msg Seveas the_err_msg will go wrong :) [12:37] <selinium> Seveas: I'll try :) [12:37] <Seveas> so paste it in the actual window :) [12:37] <kemik> Ronan: got that NTFS partition mounted? [12:37] <Cayamara> tomaj: it comes as a module i think [12:38] <thoreauputic> deufo: no, maybe move your ~/.xfce stuff or whatever it is ( .config ? not sure ) [12:38] <Cayamara> tomaj: i tried it once but i didn't really get it to work [12:38] <tomaj> so installing captive installs the appropriate module? [12:38] <tomaj> ok [12:38] <tomaj> i tried recompiling the kernel but i ran into errors that i couldnt fix for some reason [12:38] <Cayamara> tomaj: it gives you the module captive-ntfs, which you use to mount your ntfs drive [12:38] <dmoyne> hello ! ; I want to convert all my file names from iso 8859-15 encoding into utf-8 encoding ! ; how can I proceed ? ; thanks [12:38] <tomaj> thanx cayamara [12:39] <thoreauputic> deufo: hmm - ~/.config/xfce4-session perhaps [12:39] <Ronan> kemik nope [12:39] <Cayamara> tomaj: but you have to have windows ntfs drivers i think, or a windows install on the drive [12:39] <deufo> thoreauputic, nope, lol [12:39] <Ronan> bimberi http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1319 [12:39] <kemik> skalpel: you'll need "x" as well on the folders if you want your users to be able to access them [12:39] <thoreauputic> deufo: nope as in "no good" or as in "can't find" ? [12:40] <kemik> Ronan: fdisk -l /dev/hdX didnt show any NTFS partitions?? [12:40] <deufo> thoreauputic, no good [12:40] <Ronan> kemik nope [12:40] <thoreauputic> deufo: there are a couple of xfce4 things in that dir [12:40] <tsw> what should I say to cron-apt to automatically install updates? (yes I know its not the way to do updates, but this is just a client machine in a small webcafe) [12:41] <deufo> thoreauputic, i remove it all [12:41] <thoreauputic> deufo: and? [12:41] <skalpel> kemik: oh, i thought that was foe executables? [12:41] <Ronan> What's a good FTP? [12:41] <skalpel> client or server? [12:41] <Ronan> client [12:41] <skalpel> ubuntu comes with gftp [12:41] <deufo> thoreauputic, goes bak to the original one :D, never mind, i htink i'll go back to ratpoison for a little while [12:41] <skalpel> i have used it [12:42] <skalpel> i like it [12:42] <Ronan> It does? [12:42] <bimberi> Ronan: sudo mkdir /media/hda2 && sudo mount /dev/hda2 /media/hda2 [12:42] <kemik> skalpel: it is, but try to do "chmod a-x folder" and then "cd folder" you'll see what happends [12:42] <Ronan> bimberi thanks [12:42] <thoreauputic> deufo: this is a weird problem... seems more like a bug [12:42] <deufo> thoreauputic, ty anywaz [12:43] <thoreauputic> deufo: no worries - enjoy yourratpoison ;) [12:43] <Ronan> bimberi say's it's already mounted or busy [12:43] <kemik> Ronan: "fuser /dev/hda2" [12:43] <bimberi> Ronan: is it listed in the output of "df" [12:43] <bimberi> ? [12:43] <Ronan> nope [12:44] <skalpel> kemik: i would rather not, i have it set right now, i believe. :) [12:44] <sampoo> what device is the default PS/2 port identified with? [12:44] <Ronan> kemik, i entered that and it didn't say/do anything. [12:44] <mjr> 4 [12:44] <kemik> skalpel: well, the command is reversible by "chmod a+x" ;) [12:44] <mjr> oops [12:44] <thoreauputic> kemik: umm - if you chmod a-x any folder you can't cd to it - you just removed the access bit [12:45] <kemik> thoreauputic: exactly ;) [12:45] <skalpel> kemik: what is the a switch for? [12:45] <kemik> skalpel: all [12:45] <socketbind> howdy, I made a tar file on reiserfs filesystem mounted with defaults, i would want to extract this tar on suse mounted with same options but I get garbled filenames:'( [12:45] <bimberi> Ronan: yet another pastebin - the output of "df" [12:46] <kemik> skalpel: you have file access rights for "user, group, others" (rwx, rwx, rwx. if you try "ls -lha" youll see the filemask) "a" covers all those [12:46] <Ronan> bimberi df? [12:46] <Ronan> bimberi Oh. [12:46] <thoreauputic> kemik: ah - sorry I missed part of the convo :) [12:46] <thoreauputic> kemik: my bad ;) [12:46] <kemik> no worries :) [12:46] <skalpel> kemik: ok [12:46] <Ronan> bimberi http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1320 [12:46] <skalpel> how can i change the colors of my files and dirs? [12:47] <Fub> gnome menu's has suddenly stopped adding links to the programs I download through synaptic/apt does anyone know what might be wrong? [12:47] <nightswim> LS_COLORS [12:47] <nightswim> an environment variable [12:48] <kemik> skalpel: you can add the environment variable in your .bashrc and it'll be loaded automagically when you start new terminals etc [12:48] <Ronan> Busy with what? :( [12:48] <bimberi> Exactly [12:49] <skalpel> kemik: you mean for the colors? [12:49] <skalpel> where is my .bashrc file located? [12:49] <kemik> skalpel: yeah.. there's already some stuff in your .bashrc that will control ls-colors [12:49] <kemik> skalpel: your homedirectory; ~/.bashrc [12:49] <skalpel> yeah, that is what i want, i think [12:49] <skalpel> k [12:49] <eliphas_> locate .bashrc [12:49] <bimberi> Ronan: How about hda1 - sudo mkdir /media/hda1 && sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 [12:50] <kemik> Ronan: paste your /etc/fstab [12:50] <Ronan> bimberi I already mounted it [12:50] <Ronan> kemik one sec [12:50] <kemik> Ronan: along with output from "fdisk -l /dev/hda" "fdisk -l /dev/hdb" [12:50] <socketbind> does anybody know what version of tar had warty? [12:50] <kemik> Ronan: (and fdisk for HDC and HDD too ) [12:50] <gn0me> Anyone familiar with microphone jacks on the front of the computer and how to get them to work? [12:50] <Seveas> socketbind, packages.ubuntu.com can tell you [12:51] <kemik> gn0me: make sure the cables inside the box are wired [12:51] <socketbind> thx seveas i'm having problems with multiple versions... [12:51] <gn0me> They are. [12:51] <srijith> doesn't packages in Universe get updated between versions? [12:51] <Seveas> http://packages.ubuntu.com/warty/base/tar [12:51] <kemik> gn0me: at least here, it's hardware that controls which is used [12:51] <gn0me> But I remember in windows I had to tick an option.. so I figure it's like.. OS-based. [12:51] <lukus001> Hi, my desktop like to change to 640* resolution every now and then, this thime i cant reboot back up to 1224* can somone help? =) [12:51] <Seveas> srijith, no, just like packages in main [12:51] <bimberi> Ronan: but it's not listed by df? Anyway go with kemik [12:51] <eliphas_> do you get sound at all ? [12:52] <gn0me> I get sound from the rear plugs [12:52] <gn0me> But the front no [12:52] <Sylvian> Hi everyone! I have run into a little problem... Perhaps someone can help me? I wanted to install Tor (proxy) on my newly installed ubuntusystem, but the version in the ubuntu repositories were extremely outdated so I snatched the .deb from debian.org (Using unstable, as it was the only rep with the latest version), it complained about me not having the right versions of glibc6 and libevent1, so I got the requiered ones from debian.org [12:52] <Sylvian> again, libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22_i386.deb and libevent1_1.1a-1_i386.deb and installed them with dpkg. However, when i enter Synaptic, it reports 3 broken packages; libc6-dev, libc6-i686 and locales. Can someone explain how this has happened and how to solve it? Synaptic vants to uninstall those packages (even though the installed and latest versions match, so I'm not really sure about what synaptic is complaining about) but if I uninstall them [12:52] <Sylvian> , my languaes packs and compilers and tons of stuff disappears. I don't want that! Can someone please help me? [12:52] <srijith> Seveas: wow.. so even if there is a huge security update in the software, it will not pushed to the users? [12:52] <Ronan> bimberi roger that [12:52] <Seveas> Sylvian, BAD idea.... [12:52] <Seveas> VERY bad idea [12:52] <lukus001> Is there any configuration file i can edit to force change my desktop resolution is stuck on 640 after a reboot?? [12:52] <Seveas> I just spent a while with Lever to resolve this [12:52] <tyler_> join #ubuntu-es [12:52] <Seveas> srijith, that's a different story [12:53] <Seveas> which package are you referring to? [12:53] <srijith> Seveas: as luck would have it - Tor [12:53] <Seveas> srijith, hehe, I just backported it [12:53] <srijith> oh cool! [12:54] <Ronan> kemik http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1321 [12:54] <Seveas> srijith, your name looks familiar -- were you teaching assistant at network security? [12:54] <srijith> Seveas: so where do I get the latest packages from? [12:54] <srijith> yup Seveas and you? [12:54] <lukus001> Is there any configuration file i can edit to force change my desktop resolution, its stuck on 640*480 after a reboot?? [12:54] <Seveas> srijith, deb http://blackbird.kaarsemaker.net/ ./ [12:54] <thespiritoftal> can someone please explain me how to configure fluxbox so that it will look similar to gnome or smth useful? [12:54] <eliphas_> lukus001-> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [12:55] <Seveas> srijith, I took the course, I was the one with the very long amswer to the question in the GPG mail (Dennis Kaarsemaker) [12:55] <michele> thespiritoftal, it never will [12:55] <the--dud> thank god fluxbox doesnt look like gnome hehe [12:55] <socketbind> I originally made a tar archive on ubuntu warty, on a reiser filesystem mounted with defaults, and I would want to extract the same archive on a suse 9.3 with the same filesystem and options, but I get a bunch of garbled filenames [12:55] <srijith> Seveas: aha :) [12:55] <lukus001> eliphas_: thanks, trying it now [12:55] <thoreauputic> thespiritoftal: sounds like you need gnome - fluxbox is designed to be pretty minimal ;) [12:55] <desrt> oh misery [12:55] <kemik> Ronan: there are no more disks in that computer, right? [12:55] <michele> thespiritoftal, if you want something small and lean similar to gnome, get xfce or icewm [12:55] <socketbind> they are mainly hungarian characters but they are totally garbled [12:55] <eliphas_> :) [12:55] <Ronan> kemik nope [12:55] <socketbind> any idea someone? [12:55] <Ronan> kemik well, dvd, cdrom and floppy [12:55] <Seveas> Sylvian, grab the libc debs for hoary from packages.ubuntu.com, remove tor and libevent, install the libcpacjages from hoary and install tor/libevent from the repo mentioned above [12:55] <srijith> Seveas: will the package update go into the official channel? [12:56] <srijith> 'cos there is no other way the users will know of an update [12:56] <kemik> Ronan: that's ok, those are not needed.. are you actually able to boot windows? [12:56] <Seveas> srijith, I will have to talk to the repo people about that, I didn't know about this security update until 30 minutes ago :) [12:56] <kemik> Ronan: its a bit worrisome that there's no NTFS partiton showing at all [12:56] <Ronan> kemik Let me try to boot windows [12:57] <srijith> Seveas: the developers were hopping mad when they realised that the old broken version of Tor was being reported as the latest available.. [12:57] <kemik> Ronan: yeah [12:57] <Seveas> I can imagine why [12:57] <srijith> Seveas: I think Nick had also sent an email to security@ubuntu [12:57] <Ronan> kemik brb [12:57] <selinium> can anyone recommend a bluetooth dongle? [12:58] <eliphas_> the only Tor I heard about is the guys who did gimp [12:58] <srijith> eliphas_: http://tor.eff.org [12:59] <skalpel> dongle? [12:59] <eliphas_> ohhhhh I c thanks srijith I am going to have a look at that [12:59] <ElvenProgrammer> someone can help me restoring my ubuntu after windows installation? [12:59] <selinium> skalpel: usb widget :) [01:00] <michele> ElvenProgrammer, there are FAQs eveywhere [01:00] <bimberi> !recover [01:00] <skalpel> widget? [01:00] <ubotu> recover is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [01:00] <ElvenProgrammer> i know, but i still can't get it [01:00] <PurpleMotion> yeah, baby.. i even made a chrysler me412 Splashy theme *uNF* [01:00] <PurpleMotion> this is by far the best looking kde desktop i have ever seen :) [01:01] <michele> kde looks good? :) [01:01] <ElvenProgrammer> i don't have hda4 [01:01] <PurpleMotion> mine looks damn good [01:01] <PurpleMotion> michele: http://www.daede.com/2x3Desktop.jpg [01:01] <PurpleMotion> michele: also my handheld at http://www.daede.com/Jornada690.jpg [01:01] <ekimus> never ever unplug the cables in a server room :) [01:02] <le_peace_up> exceptions.ZeroDivisionError: [01:02] <le_peace_up> float division [01:02] <le_peace_up> 28 def get_data(): [01:02] <le_peace_up> 29 sys.mountdir = dir [01:02] <le_peace_up> 30 Dsp.title.value = dir [01:02] <le_peace_up> 31 Dsp.total.value = "Total: " + mem_format(sys.fsusage.total) [01:02] <le_peace_up> 32 Dsp.free.value = "Free: " + mem_format(sys.fsusage.avail) [01:02] <le_peace_up> > 33 disk_fill = (float(sys.fsusage.total) - float(sys.fsusage.avail)) / [01:02] <le_peace_up> float(sys.fsusage.total) * 100 [01:02] <le_peace_up> 34 Dsp.data.fill = int(disk_fill) [01:02] <ekimus> le_peace_up: don't paste here [01:02] <le_peace_up> 35 add_timer(int(update*1000), get_data) [01:02] <PurpleMotion> !paste [01:02] <ubotu> somebody said paste was please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text [01:02] <le_peace_up> 36 return 0 [01:02] <kemik> oh christ [01:02] <le_peace_up> 37 [01:02] <le_peace_up> 38 [01:02] <anacron> more more [01:02] <le_peace_up> 39 # stolen from SysMon [01:02] <ginipig> omg [01:02] <le_peace_up> wath is please [01:02] <sc^> Im planning to install a pc on my car. I have 500-1200mhz prosessors and different mainboards to choose from, but the display is a 7" lcd with video-in connector. So i need my tv-out working all the time. I also need a os that has a fast boot. Is this ubuntu linux what i need? [01:02] <eliphas_> what happened ekimus ? [01:02] <le_peace_up> sorry [01:02] <kemik> Seveas: what about autokick ?? [01:02] <anacron> is that the best you can do! [01:02] <ginipig> le_peace_up, jesus christ man [01:02] <gn0me> haha [01:02] <Seveas> @!#$!@**& [01:02] <gn0me> it's just text :D [01:02] <anacron> :DD [01:02] <Ronan> :( :( :( :( $#&*!@ [01:02] <Seveas> i'm out for 3 seconds and they start pasting... [01:02] <kemik> should get ubotu perm-op and auto-floodkick [01:03] <ginipig> heh [01:03] <ekimus> eliphas_: well in short: about 6 server just went down :). And the good thing is: I can laugh because me colleague did it. hehe [01:03] <Ronan> kemik :(...i erased the wrong drive! :( :( :( :( :( :( [01:03] <PurpleMotion> Seveas: the sheppard should not wander that far from the flock ;) [01:03] <anacron> floodkick would be good [01:03] <ginipig> qq guys, is there a way to find the fastest(closest) apt source in ubuntu? [01:03] <kemik> Ronan: that's what i was beginning to suspect [01:03] <Ronan> kemik all my photos, work, music, EVERYTHING was on there! :( [01:03] <anacron> ginipig: sudo apt-setup [01:03] <Ronan> kemik is there anyway i can get any of it back? :( [01:03] <OzGAz> anyone can help ubuntu newbie? [01:04] <Seveas> srijith, Sylvian, Lever, the Ubuntu security team is now aware of the tor problem - work is in progress :) [01:04] <ginipig> anacron, is that the basic apt-sources config? or does it do some diagnostic/testing to find the faster server [01:04] <srijith> Seveas: great! [01:04] <kemik> Ronan: yes.. if it's not too badly overwritten [01:04] <PurpleMotion> Ronan: there are professional data recovery services out there.... but methinks you're fscked [01:04] <anacron> ginipig: see yourself [01:04] <kemik> PurpleMotion: no it's not [01:04] <Ronan> kemik what do you mean too badly overwritten [01:04] <PurpleMotion> oh, i stand erect^H^H^H^H^Hcorrected then [01:04] <Lever> good to hear! [01:04] <Ronan> kemik please, i must know, aaaaaaaaaaaallllllll my photographs >< [01:04] <ginipig> anacron, didn't think so [01:05] <kemik> Ronan: either turn it into a professional service place, or get your hands on Norton recovery or similar recovery program [01:05] <srijith> Seveas: but isn't this whole structure pretty twisted that a security software is in Universe and is not maintained for several months? [01:05] <pitti> Seveas: aware, yes, but it's not a priority - it's universe [01:05] <pitti> Seveas: if you want to prepare an upload, that's fine for me :-) [01:05] <srijith> Seveas: even when what Ubuntu does is take the debian package? [01:05] <Ronan> kemik what can I do about it at this second? [01:05] <PurpleMotion> Ronan: in the meantime, dont write ANYTHING to that drive [01:05] <eliphas_> ekimus-> 6 servers my goodness.... I can image the fear in the building [01:05] <Ronan> purplemotion i installed ubuntu on that drive :( [01:05] <PurpleMotion> oh [01:05] <kemik> Ronan: as PurpleMotion says, dont write ANYTHING to the drive.. [01:05] <Seveas> srijith, pitti, I notified Nafallo from the MOTU, he though he fixed it already [01:05] <PurpleMotion> how big was it to begin with? [01:05] <Ronan> I think! [01:05] <pitti> srijith: it is in universe because it is unsupported [01:06] <eliphas_> no mailbox, nobody could see where she gonna go for the next holydays [01:06] <Ronan> kemik maybe i didn't [01:06] <ekimus> eliphas_: i begin to enjoy how quiet it's in here now :) [01:06] <kemik> Ronan: well that's only 1.8gb, most likely you'll not have overwritten your files [01:06] <Ronan> purplemotion maybe i didn't [01:06] <eliphas_> ;P [01:06] <srijith> pitti: who determines what goes into Universe? [01:06] <Ronan> kemik well, what can I do about it, what can I download and such? [01:06] <srijith> pitti: asking because a security software not being maintained must as well be left out of the distro [01:06] <srijith> s/must/might [01:06] <kemik> Ronan: i dont know a good program from the top of my head.. but try google for "harddrive recovery" or "disk recovery" etc. [01:07] <sc^> is it hard to get tv-out working on ubuntu? [01:07] <surfdue> hello [01:07] <Ronan> kemik i did this before, but it just erased what windows needed to boot, now it says "error while loading operating system" [01:07] <kemik> Ronan: you'll most likely be able to rescue a whole lot of you data.. (a friend did a similar thing... accidentally wiped all his photos) [01:07] <surfdue> I have a older version of ubuntu is there a way to upgrade my 2.6.8 kernal? [01:07] <pitti> srijith: everybody can propose something to be included into main: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue [01:07] <surfdue> im kinda new to ubuntu, sorry for the noobish question [01:07] <PurpleMotion> surf, you can upgrade your entire version [01:07] <surfdue> ok [01:08] <surfdue> can you tell me how that is posible, some people mension apt-get upgrade kernal [01:08] <surfdue> but that dosnt look to work [01:08] <srijith> pitti: and who decides on them? Sorry for the newbie questions, I am new to Ubuntu area [01:08] <kemik> Ronan: the best solution methinks, is to disconnect the drive, and ask a friend with lots of computer experience or take it to a serviceshop.. it's a bit hard to guide you through it all via the internet [01:08] <surfdue> Is there a Package manager? [01:08] <PurpleMotion> surfdue: modify /etc/apt/sources.list and change every instance of warty to hoary (even those instances within other words/strings).. save the file, then apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade [01:09] <sampoo> how do you do multiple mice in ubuntu? [01:09] <kemik> !upgrade [01:09] <ubotu> upgrade is probably "One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" [01:09] <Ronan> kemik there aren't any programs or bootdisks? maybe the windows boot disk? [01:09] <surfdue> ok thanks PurpleMotion [01:09] <pitti> srijith: usually I review the report and decide [01:09] <surfdue> I can just type this: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [01:09] <srijith> ok.. [01:09] <kemik> Ronan: if you've formatted your partition you'll most likely need a boot disk with a recovery program [01:09] <OzGAz> are 3rd party progs ubuntu-compatible? [01:09] <PurpleMotion> yes [01:09] <surfdue> ok thanks [01:09] <Seveas> OzGAz, depends on the prog :) [01:10] <Ronan> kemik ooh, i know. I'll be back in a bit, I'll tr ymy fedora one. [01:10] <OzGAz> examples (a few) [01:10] <kemik> most stuff can be compiled i suppose [01:10] <PurpleMotion> kemik: whoever did that had too much free time ;) [01:10] <kemik> Ronan: but you still need a recoveryprogram [01:10] <surfdue> ty [01:10] <surfdue> wow, this is going to take awhile [01:10] <Seveas> srijith, do you know a bit about the details of tor/the recent security update? [01:10] <kemik> PurpleMotion: did what? =) the line you mean ? ;) [01:10] <PurpleMotion> yeah [01:10] <OzGAz> Seveas ... is there a list of progs compatible somewhere? [01:10] <Ronan> kemik okay wait, so even if i erased all the partitions and installed ubuntu on it, a service shop can fix it? [01:11] <Seveas> OzGAz, most things should work [01:11] <alie> how to create a local repository an easy way ? [01:11] <alie> any one there ? [01:11] <kemik> Ronan: yes, a service shop or you yourself with the appropriate tools [01:11] <joel1> i cant get mp3 working [01:11] <Ronan> kemik like what? [01:11] <Seveas> alie, read the manpage for dpkg-scanpackages [01:11] <OzGAz> Seveas ... with full install or "live disc"? [01:11] <sampoo> joeli: just an idea, but it might help to install lame [01:12] <sampoo> joeli: that decodes/encodes MP3 [01:12] <srijith> pitti: I am curious about the security check.. [01:12] <Seveas> OzGAz, makes no difference [01:12] <kemik> Ronan: http://www.stellarinfo.com/ seems to be one, and there are plenty more [01:12] <joel1> how i have look at http://ubuntuguide.org/ but is not working [01:12] <srijith> pitti: "must allow us to support the package for at least 18 months without exposing its users to an inappropriate level of security risks." [01:12] <Ronan> kemik I ment what tools [01:12] <srijith> pitti: that sounds like a tall order for Tor which is undergoing active development [01:13] <kemik> Ronan: http://www.stellarinfo.com/ <-- they sell recovery tools [01:13] <Khantozavri> hi folks.... any idea how to mount win2003 shares? i've tried as per guide, but didn't work out... [01:13] <pitti> srijith: this is the reason why we don't have ethereal and php web apps in main - they are insane [01:13] <kemik> Ronan: im not sure you'll find many freeware applications for this task... you'll have to try google and search for "disk recovery" [01:13] <Ronan> kemik $250?!?! [01:13] <Lever> Oh just read the above.. Funny that's we'd run into the same exact problem haha. Ignorant minds think alike? ;) [01:14] <kemik> Ronan: well that's just the first hit i looked at... im sure there are other tools available.. maybe even freeware [01:14] <kemik> Ronan: and there's always Bit-Torrent.. [01:15] <kemik> but you should really not use the drive too much.. everything you write to that disk now will lessen the chance of recovery [01:15] <srijith> pitti: so in short, even if anyone tries to get Tor into main, it will most probably be shot down? Just gauging the scene before I volunteer anything [01:16] <pitti> srijith: if the package is reasonably sane and there is somebody who wants to care for it, it's fine [01:16] <srijith> pitti: I am encouraged.. [01:16] <pitti> srijith: also, I accept and appreciate universe security updates, I just don't do them myself (no time) [01:16] <Ronan> kemik so what should I do right now? [01:17] <axel> hi, i just managed to get an HP PhotoSmart 7760 printer working across the LAN via CUPS, but there's a problem, after a page is done printing lpq shows the job is still active, and the job never ends so further jobs just wait forever and i have to lprm by hand [01:17] <srijith> pitti: oh, I was under the impression Universe uppdates are not too welcome [01:17] <OzGAz> Seveas_ sorry to be a pain but where do I find then .. my C: and D: hard disks? (damn newbies)_ [01:17] <axel> anyone have a hint about this? [01:17] <kemik> Ronan: either A; learn how to recover yourself, B; ask a friend C; goto a computerstore and see what they'd charge [01:17] <pitti> srijith: oh, to the contrary, there aren't just too many people who do them [01:18] <Ronan> kemik i'll just shut down i'll talk to you later [01:18] <kemik> OzGAz: there's no such thing as C: or D: in linux really [01:18] <srijith> pitti: cool. thanks.. [01:18] <kemik> OzGAz: are you trying to mount your windows-partitions? [01:18] <kemik> !tell OzGAz about ntfs [01:18] <kemik> Ronan: good luck :) [01:18] <Ronan> kemik thanks [01:19] <srijith> pitti: quick question, when I package an upgrade, will I have to do that for all arch? like 386 and amd64 or can I restrict myself to just 386 (say)? [01:19] <pitti> srijith: wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityUpdateProcedures [01:19] <pitti> srijith: it is automatically built for all arches [01:19] <pitti> srijith: you just upload a new source package [01:20] <surfdue> Is there an official ATI Radeion driver for ubuntu? [01:20] <PurpleMotion> [root@psilocybin(~)] #: apt-get dist-upgrade [01:20] <PurpleMotion> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [01:20] <surfdue> :P [01:21] <csenger> surfdue, yes [01:21] <surfdue> is it on apt-get? [01:21] <srijith> pitti: thanks.. hmm. have a lot of learning to do if I am going to take this up. :) [01:21] <OzGAz> kemik... have installed live cd ... lookin for my progs to discover comaptibility [01:22] <rtcm> does anyone know if it is normal that apache2 is running with nice level of 10 after cron restarts it? [01:22] <csenger> surfdue, i think its called fglrx-driver [01:23] <PurpleMotion> rtcm: i dont know, but i cant see it doing any harm, other than maybe taking a touch longer to load pages [01:23] <killahkosha> bleh i'm using ubuntu 5.04, how can I get libc6 2.3.4-1 or greater installed? [01:23] <PurpleMotion> !ati [01:23] <ubotu> hmm... ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI [01:23] <zAo^> killahkosha, you better dont :) [01:23] <rtcm> PurpleMotion: on a busy server it might impact performance i guess [01:24] <OzGAz> kemik..do I understand that I have to full install install (i.e. change file system) and re-install progs from scratch under ubuntu? [01:24] <PurpleMotion> rtcm: yeah, but you can always modify crontab to start it with a nice of 0 [01:24] <kemik> OzGAz: what was your former OS ? [01:24] <killahkosha> bleh then how can i get this driver installed without upgrading to the libc 2.3.4-1 or greater that it needs? [01:24] <OzGAz> Windows XP (still got it) [01:24] <PurpleMotion> brb [01:25] <kemik> OzGAz: well, not all apps will run under ubuntu.. i mean windows apps need to be run with Wine/Cedega and fra from all is supported [01:25] <kemik> Seveas: what did daz do ? [01:25] <Seveas> kemik, being a pain in the ass in private chat for 3 days now [01:26] <OzGAz> Kemik .. ok ... perhaps the most popular 3rd party progs generally are ok? [01:26] <nightswim> sounds familiar [01:26] <nightswim> he just nagged me to tell you things in this channel [01:26] <Seveas> yeah [01:26] <Seveas> I +q'ed him for bad behaviour 3 days ago [01:26] <hardkaare> Hi is there a gui to setup dhcpd ? [01:27] <Seveas> and he's been begging/pm'ing/memoserv abusing/nagging others to be -q'ed [01:27] <PurpleMotion> he msg'd me saying he was in 'real trouble' and that i 'had to help him' [01:27] <srijith> hardkaare: isn't the CLI easy anought? [01:27] <hardkaare> srijith, where do I find that? [01:27] <srijith> hardkaare: CLI = command line interface [01:28] <kemik> OzGAz: www.winehq.com has a list i think [01:28] <PurpleMotion> Seveas: off the top of your head, can you think of a way to make the update manager gnome system tray icon sit int he kde system tray? [01:28] <OzGAz> kemik .. thanks mate .trying now.. [01:29] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, nope [01:29] <PurpleMotion> pfft [01:29] <lightboy> I realise this isnt very ubuntu specific but does n e one kno a program thats good for burning images to like a vcd that will play in a dvd player [01:30] <hardkaare> has anyone installed the newst totem under hoary? [01:30] <hardkaare> with mozilla plugin? [01:30] <Scrawny1> Help!!!!!!! pls [01:31] <Tamarisk> hello all [01:31] <echylo> lightboy, I would try k3b for it :) [01:31] <Tamarisk> hello all [01:32] <Tamarisk> bye all [01:32] <bimberi> lightboy: k3b [01:32] <Scrawny1> I'm new w/ linux I have Ubuntu I want to install Java to firefox, how do you do this? [01:32] <Seveas> hardkaare, are there debs to be found for that version? [01:33] <bimberi> !java [01:33] <ubotu> java is probably to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [01:33] <Scrawny1> I've already been there [01:33] <killahkosha> Is it worth it to upgrade to the 5.0.10? [01:33] <hardkaare> Seveas, yep [01:34] <lightboy> i tried k3b i cant find an option [01:34] <Seveas> hardkaare, where? I'm *very* interested :) [01:35] <bimberi> lightboy: File -> New Project -> New Video CD Project [01:36] <Scrawny1> Java's there, it's running and I have Enable Java marked in FireFox but still nothing [01:38] <eliphas_> did you install java via apt-get? [01:38] <Scrawny1> apt-get install javapackage is on my system yes [01:39] <Scrawny1> er java-package [01:39] <Seveas> Scrawny1, that's not a java virtual machine [01:39] <maisy322> hey, how do i change my theme colours from brown to purple [01:39] <Seveas> Scrawny1, easiest solution: grab a sun jre deb from http://blackbird.kaarsemaker.net/deb/ [01:39] <Scrawny1> I'm new remember expain virtual machine [01:40] <zAo^> regebro, replied :) [01:41] <Scrawny1> Java is on my computer already [01:41] <Seveas> Scrawny1, how did it get there? [01:41] <Seveas> Didi you install only java-package? [01:42] <Seveas> Did* [01:42] <Scrawny1> searching hells half achre [01:42] <Seveas> hehe [01:42] <regebro> zAo^: Thanks. [01:42] <Scrawny1> I got the .bin [01:42] <Seveas> Scrawny1, did you run it directly? [01:42] <corcu> alguien sabe como se instala el java en ubuntu? [01:42] <Scrawny1> I sh blah.bin [01:42] <Seveas> !es [01:42] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. [01:42] <Seveas> Scrawny1, eww :| [01:42] <Seveas> that has been a bad idea [01:42] <maisy322> is it possible to change the default brown colours, to say purple and still retian the same frame style are the windows [01:43] <regebro> zAo^: That solved problem 2. No idea why though.... :/ [01:43] <maisy322> around the windows [01:43] <Scrawny1> can you pm me pls sevas? [01:43] <zAo^> regebro, I think the mirror went down, or the directorystructure changed :) [01:43] <Seveas> Scrawny1, sure [01:43] <Scrawny1> thx :) [01:43] <zAo^> regebro, tried problem 1? (I never use synaptic, sorry) [01:44] <lightboy> n e one know how to force cedega to run an app in a window? [01:44] <regebro> zAo^: OK. The problem then lies in that I don't understand the intricacis of the syntax of sources.list. ;) [01:44] <regebro> zAo^: Yeah, it's still the same problem. [01:46] <theD3viL> Why is ubuntu so slow after 3weeks of using? [01:46] <PurpleMotion> its not for me [01:46] <thoreauputic> it isn't [01:46] <srijith> thoreauputic: got fluxbox .13 working. Thansk agai! [01:46] <sc^> how fast does it start up? [01:47] <thoreauputic> 21:47:03 up 55 days, 6:05, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.15, 0.27 [01:47] <badrunner> havent switched this machine off for months and its still running fine [01:47] <Alrighta> Guys, I am trying to burn a data disk. I'm using GnomeBaker - well, if I try to burn using drag-and-drop option, when I choose the "Write to Disk" option it says "file image creation error" and that I don't have enough disk space. When I use the software itself in the GUI normally, it always stuck on 97%(while adding the files).. What should I do? [01:47] <srijith> that came out all wrong - > "thanks again" [01:47] <sc^> i mean how fast does it boot. [01:47] <thoreauputic> srijith: glad I could help :) [01:47] <theD3viL> firefox is opening 5-10sec (AMD 2600+, 512ram,80gb,radeon9600pro,..) [01:49] <PurpleMotion> clear your cache [01:49] <PurpleMotion> it'll zip right open [01:49] <Seveas> :) [01:49] <theD3viL> thoreauputic, 13:49:28 up 45 min, 2 users, load average: 0.13, 0.16, 0.18 <- why i have 2 users?? [01:49] <PurpleMotion> a browser choking on its cache does not a slow system make [01:50] <Seveas> theD3viL, every terminal counts as one [01:50] <thoreauputic> theD3viL: probably you have a terminal open ? [01:50] <PurpleMotion> theD3viL: do you have a shell open? [01:50] <Seveas> plus one extra for X [01:50] <PurpleMotion> yeah when you log into X, you're logging in.. that counts as a user [01:50] <theD3viL> thoreauputic, Why you have 1 user then? [01:50] <PurpleMotion> if you have a terminal open, thats another user [01:50] <theD3viL> aha [01:50] <thoreauputic> interestingly, I'm running urxvt and it doesn't show up as a user [01:50] <theD3viL> aha [01:50] <theD3viL> ..... [01:51] <relic> Is the tracker down? [01:51] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: because it is set by default to not process the session as a login ;) [01:51] <ginipig> hi guys [01:51] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: yes - haven't worked out the option for that yet on urxvt (I need to read the man!) [01:52] <Alrighta> Guys, I am trying to burn a data disk. I'm using GnomeBaker - well, if I try to burn using drag-and-drop option, when I choose the "Write to Disk" option it says "file image creation error" and that I don't have enough disk space. When I use the software itself in the GUI normally, it always stuck on 97%(while adding the files).. What should I do? [01:52] <ginipig> previously, on a non gnome-de'd distro install, i used xinitrc to load apps b4 the xserver [01:52] <ginipig> anyone know how this is done with ghome? [01:52] <ginipig> besides that session-manager in System>Preferences? [01:52] <Seveas> Alrighta, do you have enough space left on your harddrive to create the image? [01:52] <dabar> I have installed dnsmasq, and ipmasq. I changed the /etc/network/options file to show ip_forward=yes. The /etc/dnsmasq.conf has been set up to work as a dhcp server. Also, I have tried setting up a .rul file in /etc/ipmasq/rules, one to allow dhcp requests. I am trying to connect a Mac computer using DHCP. The Mac gets an IP address, and the correct one, that I set up for that MAC address in dnsmasq.conf. However, it can not ping the Li [01:53] <Seveas> ginipig, ~/.gnomerc [01:53] <theD3viL> thoreauputic, 55days... whats your last PID number than??? [01:53] <ginipig> Seveas: are they syntactically similar? [01:53] <thoreauputic> theD3viL: why do you ask? [01:54] <Seveas> ~/.gnomerc is simply sourced [01:54] <DocTomoe> hi ... where do I find the mozilla firefox plugin directory in hoary? [01:54] <theD3viL> thoreauputic, becouse if i have computer turned on 1 day its about 20k [01:54] <Alrighta> Seveas, that is one thing I don't understand. On Windows I don't need to create any image, I can burn my stuff even if I have 0mb left. then why do I need to have free space to burn some fucking mp3's? and no, I don't and I also don't have anything I can delete. Do I have any option to get around that "image creating"? [01:54] <PurpleMotion> wow [01:54] <Seveas> Alrighta, another burn program perhaps [01:54] <PurpleMotion> twenty thousand processes in a day? [01:55] <Alrighta> Seveas, do you have anything in mind.. a litttle recommendation will help ;) [01:55] <ginipig> Alrighta: not all apps have those requirements [01:55] <dabar> Do you perhaps know how to make ipmasq keep a log file? [01:55] <DocTomoe> Alrighta: try k3b [01:55] <srijith> DocTomoe: .mozilla/firefox? [01:55] <ginipig> have you tinkered with cdrecord b4? [01:56] <anacron> what was the name of that directconnect client? [01:56] <anacron> or actually the text based one [01:56] <DocTomoe> srijith: negative. I think it was somewhere in libs, but I really cannot remember [01:56] <ginipig> is there a decent one for linux yet? [01:56] <Seveas> Alrighta, sorry, no, I don't burn too much :) [01:56] <ginipig> anacron: last i checked, the curses-one blew [01:56] <Seveas> anacron, valknut? [01:56] <rata_> hi, i just installed ubuntu stable, but i cant change the resolution. Y tried ithe 'gnome way', i tried editing xorg.conf (with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and i see that /etc/X11/xorg.conf has changed), restart X, but i still use 640x480. Any idea ? [01:56] <anacron> hmm [01:56] <anacron> Seveas: i'll try that [01:57] <theD3viL> thoreauputic, no...how much? [01:57] <Alrighta> DocTomoe, thanks, I'll download it. [01:57] <Seveas> !tell anacron about valknut [01:57] <relic> does anyone know that the tracker is down? [01:57] <srijith> DocTomoe: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins [01:57] <anacron> Seveas: i can't find that [01:57] <Seveas> anacron, ubotu pm'ed you a hint :) [01:57] <DocTomoe> srijith: thanks. That is what I searched. searched in /lib, tought. [01:57] <ginipig> rata_: grep DefaultDepth /etc/X11/xorg.conf [01:58] <bimberi> anacron: dctc? [01:58] <ginipig> rata_: find the corresponding depth block in xorg.conf, and make sure the resolution u prefer is listed first [01:58] <anacron> bimberi: oh that sounds like it [01:58] <Seveas> relic, yes [01:58] <rata_> ginipig: it is [01:58] <Seveas> there is a DVD mirror on wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive [01:59] <ginipig> rata_: are your horizsync, and vertrefresh values accurate? [01:59] <kameron> i installed a fresh copy of 5.04, and i installed grub to the mbr of the first disk.. and when i boot, i just get a grub shell, it says "Grub version .95 \ Minimal BASH-Like editing is supported" pressing TAB gives me different command options, etc, but.. how do i just choose an OS to boot to? [01:59] <ginipig> rata_: or were they generated by xorg-install [01:59] <Alrighta> Btw (another question.. heh), I can hear music on Ubuntu(worked according to the unofficial guide), however, the music sounds quite bad, really bad.. any idea how to hear music decently? [01:59] <DocTomoe> kameron: how about hiting <enter>? [01:59] <Seveas> kameron, *ouch* [01:59] <rata_> ginipig: and it is the only one listed now (before i have four listed) [01:59] <Seveas> do you have a live cd nearby? [01:59] <kameron> are you serious.. i just needed to hit enter? [01:59] <DocTomoe> try it [02:00] <thespiritoftal> is ubuntu the best linux distro eveR? [02:00] <Seveas> kameron, well, if you don't get a menu something is wrong [02:00] <Seveas> thespiritoftal, of course :) [02:00] <kameron> like, when you boot, should i just get a list of OSs to choose from, instead of the bash-like shell? [02:00] <thespiritoftal> seveas: I knew you'd tell that :p [02:00] <DocTomoe> thespiritoftal: nope. but I cannot read Tengwar. Ubuntu comes second [02:00] <Seveas> kameron, yup [02:00] <kameron> well, i don't have that. [02:00] <rata_> ginipig: they arent listed there, but when i do dpkg-reconfigure, they are, and i choose 60Hz (what gnome says that uses now) [02:01] <ginipig> hi guys, anyone trying to fetch sources from au.archive.ubuntu.com tonight? [02:01] <Casanova> hello i created a package for debian will it also work for ubuntu? [02:01] <ginipig> rata_: it's possible that your monitor supports higher values [02:01] <Seveas> Casanova, maybe [02:01] <kameron> i have windoze installed on primary master, and ubuntu on primary slave.. so i installed all ubuntu stuff on slave, and put bootloader on mbr of master disk.. is this a bad setup? [02:01] <DocTomoe> Casanova: Deepnds on the packafges dependencies. [02:01] <Seveas> depends on the dependencies :) [02:01] <ginipig> rata_: what's your monitor make/model, btw? i'll try to find the values for u [02:01] <Casanova> DocTomoe: it is a python module [02:01] <thespiritoftal> lol [02:02] <rata_> ginipig: viewsonic [02:02] <DocTomoe> Casanova: That may call for problems. [02:02] <clem_yeats> hi [02:02] <rata_> ginipig: the monitor doesnt says anything more, but xorg says viewsonic E6 [02:02] <thespiritoftal> clem_yeats: hi [02:02] <ginipig> rata_: I think the problem here is that you're not allowing higher/lower refresh rates than 60 on your monitor. this limits you to a crappier resolution [02:02] <clem_yeats> anobody got the realtek 8180 to work ? [02:02] <Casanova> DocTomoe: then i will have to rewrite the rules file for ubuntu? [02:03] <ginipig> rata_: is it possible for you to look at the back of the monitor? by the input cord slot? [02:03] <rata_> ginipig: good idea, but there isnt in ubuntu repositories xvidtune (i use debian, and it is :) [02:03] <rata_> ginipig: let me see... [02:03] <kameron> any ideas why my grub bootloader is messed? [02:03] <ginipig> rata_: ah, i'm using debian myself :) [02:03] <clem_yeats> kameron: what does it do ? [02:03] <ginipig> rata_: 3 with etch, and 3 on sarge [02:03] <DocTomoe> Casanova: I recall having problems with the transistion debian -> ubuntu with the python packages. they are different. I recommend repackaging for ubuntu [02:04] <kameron> it drops me in that bash-like shell, where i can type a bunch of commands that don't do anything. [02:04] <rata_> ginipig: 50-60 Hz [02:04] <rata_> ginipig: when this pc has debian an xorg, it works properly [02:04] <Casanova> DocTomoe: ok :) [02:05] <ginipig> rata_: how old is your monitor? [02:05] <liraz> Does anyone know how Bistream fonts are made as smooth as in the Graphite Suite theme - http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=26757 .My bitstream vera sans fonts look disgusting... [02:05] <rata_> ginipig: very very old [02:05] <ginipig> rata_: wait, is it crt or lcd? [02:05] <ginipig> rata_: scratch that ;) [02:06] <rata_> ginipig: i dont know what crt is, but lcd i isnt :D [02:06] <relic> does anyone know that the tracker is down? [02:06] <kameron> can i install lilo as a bootloader instead/ [02:06] <ginipig> rata_: :) did you say viewsonic e7 earlier? [02:06] <rata_> ginipig: yes [02:07] <kameron> rata_, no, you said E6 [02:07] <rendi> girl when i'm compile perl i got some err like this [02:07] <rata_> ginipig: would you like to see behind the monitor to see the model ? [02:07] <rendi> Can't locate URI.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 [02:07] <rendi> what mean that ?? [02:07] <rata_> kameron: you are right! [02:07] <kameron> ;) [02:07] <Eduardo_of_the_d> HEY .. :) [02:07] <Seveas> rendi, libwww-uri-perl [02:08] <rendi> ? ur mean [02:08] <ginipig> rata_: come again? [02:08] <srijith> has anyone tried Photoshop using wine in Ubuntu? [02:08] <rendi> i have instal that lib Seveas ?? [02:08] <Seveas> rendi, liburi-perl even [02:08] <Seveas> yes you need to install it [02:08] <Eduardo_of_the_d> I have Slack and Ubuntu installaded in my machine. [02:08] <rendi> ic ty ty [02:08] <kameron> srijith: no, but have you tried that photoshop mod on gimp yet? it's really sweet. [02:08] <hmrocha> hello [02:08] <clem_yeats> hi hmrocha [02:08] <Eduardo_of_the_d> but ... my lilo or grup have a problens [02:08] <rata_> ginipig: sorry, what ? (my english suck ;) [02:09] <hmrocha> i'm installing ubuntu on my college pc's [02:09] <srijith> kameron: I tried it first when it came out and the compile produced the same damn thing.. haven't tried it laterly [02:09] <hmrocha> i'm thinking about creating a script to install all the software the teachers asked for [02:09] <ginipig> rata_: i'm doing some googling [02:09] <Eduardo_of_the_d> I am Like Slack and Ubuntu ... [02:09] <ginipig> rata_: i'll try to figure out what e6 means to xorg-server [02:09] <hmrocha> is it possible to use apt-get in a script, answering "yes" when prompted? [02:10] <Eduardo_of_the_d> whats name ? [02:10] <rata_> ginipig: lot of thanks :) [02:10] <ginipig> hmrocha: for cron updates? [02:10] <Eduardo_of_the_d> name frem script [02:10] <Eduardo_of_the_d> from [02:10] <hmrocha> ginipig, no [02:10] <ginipig> hmrocha: good [02:10] <clem_yeats> ginipig : for scripting. [02:10] <ginipig> hmrocha: it's dangerous to assume Y to all qquestions [02:10] <hmrocha> ginipig, i just installed ubuntu on a pc [02:11] <liraz> Anyone here using bitstream vera sans? [02:11] <hmrocha> i want to install package foobar [02:11] <hmrocha> if i do an apt-get install foobar and this package has dependencies, it will ask if i want to install them too [02:11] <hmrocha> how can i answer "yes" in a script? [02:12] <clem_yeats> hmrocha: there probably is an option to apt-get to avoid being prompted.. [02:12] <hmrocha> clem_yeats, that would be easier :) [02:12] <clem_yeats> hmrocha: did you check that in man apt-get ? [02:12] <hmrocha> clem_yeats, if that's possible it will save me some work [02:12] <hmrocha> clem_yeats, no, but i'll check it out now [02:13] <AnimalChin> hallo [02:13] <clem_yeats> hmrocha : --assume-yes [02:14] <hmrocha> clem_yeats, it's -y, or --yes or --assume-yes [02:14] <hmrocha> :) [02:14] <srijith> kameron: do you remember the url of the mod? [02:14] <clem_yeats> hmrocha : et voila [02:14] <ginipig> rata_: I was here: http://www.griffintechnology.com/archive/video/comdata.html [02:14] <ginipig> rata_: no good [02:14] <rata_> ginipig: :( [02:14] <dabar> I have installed dnsmasq, and ipmasq. I changed the /etc/network/options file to show ip_forward=yes. The /etc/dnsmasq.conf has been set up to work as a dhcp server. Also, I have tried setting up a .rul file in /etc/ipmasq/rules, one to allow dhcp requests. I am trying to connect a Mac computer using DHCP. The Mac gets an IP address, and the correct one, that I set up for that MAC address in dnsmasq.conf. However, it can not ping the Li [02:14] <rata_> ginipig: lot of thanks [02:14] <dabar> Perhaps also knowing where ipmasq keeps a log, or how to make it keep one will help. [02:15] <skalpel> can someone tell me why i have to change the file permissions everytime someone uploads files on my computer? is there a way to make them accessible automatically? [02:15] <clem_yeats> skalpel: yes [02:15] <srijith> kameron: don't bother, got it [02:15] <clem_yeats> skalpel: you need to set the default chmod for the folder [02:15] <skalpel> clem_yeats: how do i do that? [02:15] <clem_yeats> skalpel: hehe... I just can't remember... [02:15] <skalpel> k [02:15] <clem_yeats> skalpel: let me have a look on google. [02:15] <skalpel> alright [02:15] <skalpel> thank you [02:17] <ginipig> rata_: still googling [02:17] <rata_> ginipig: :D [02:18] <ginipig> rata_: so xvidtune didn't help at all? [02:18] <aerie> anyone here on breezy having oddities with firefox and font rendering? My fonts are horridly rendered :/ [02:18] <rata_> ginipig: xvidtune it isn in ubuntu, i am triyin with xrandr, but does not list me 800x600 [02:19] <ginipig> rata_: it should be [02:19] <ginipig> rata_: are u using universal with apt? [02:20] <rata_> ginipig: no, i am not [02:20] <ginipig> rata_: /usr/bin/X11/xvidtune [02:20] <rata_> ginipig: i will try [02:20] <rata_> ginipig: thanks [02:22] <clem_yeats> skalpel : the command is umask [02:22] <clem_yeats> skalpel : do you have a ftpd.conf ? [02:22] <skalpel> clem_yeats: somewhere, why? [02:23] <skalpel> i am using ssh though, not ftpd [02:23] <clem_yeats> skalpel : oh ok. [02:23] <skalpel> sftp actually [02:23] <clem_yeats> skalpel : you need to umask the directory [02:23] <skalpel> that does not use ftpd.conf does it? [02:23] <clem_yeats> skalpel : no, I don't think so. [02:23] <skalpel> how do i do that? [02:23] <clem_yeats> skalpel : just go to your directory [02:24] <skalpel> there is no man entry for umask so you might have to explain it to me [02:24] <clem_yeats> skalpel : what permission do you want the files to have by default ? [02:24] <skalpel> clem_yeats: +rwx [02:24] <mrson> \join ubuntu-es [02:24] <dabar> for whom? [02:25] <dabar> skalpel: every file has permissions for owner, group, and others. [02:25] <ginipig> rata_: no luck [02:25] <Srekel> hi [02:25] <clem_yeats> skalpel : you mean for everybody ?? [02:25] <thoreauputic> mrson: /j #ubuntu-es [02:25] <skalpel> clem_yeats: yes, all users [02:25] <ginipig> rata_: gooling for "viewsonic e6" returns links to smut sites [02:25] <clem_yeats> skalpel : 777 in other words.. [02:25] <skalpel> yes [02:25] <rata_> ginipig: lot of thanks anyway :D [02:25] <clem_yeats> skalpel : hmm... ok. [02:25] <dabar> umask is the 000. [02:25] <Srekel> is there a quick way to restart gnome, without having to go to the login screen? I just want to test my Startup programs [02:26] <mrson> alguien me puede ayudar a instalar el poetgresql en mi maquin, soy novato [02:26] <dabar> when a file is created, the umask is looked up, to see what parts of 777 should be subtracted. so if umask was 022 every file newly created would be 755, in your case, yo uwant 777 so 000 is the umask,. you dont actually want this, tho. [02:27] <clem_yeats> srekel: CTRL + ALT + BACKSPACE [02:27] <dabar> srekel./.. [02:27] <dabar> clem_yeats: thats not that. [02:27] <srijith> clem_yeats: doesn't that restart X? and get you to the login page? [02:27] <clem_yeats> yes.. [02:27] <mrson> y astoy en ubuntu-es [02:27] <Srekel> yup [02:27] <clem_yeats> didn't I read the question properly ? [02:27] <dabar> read again [02:27] <srijith> he doesn't want to go to the login [02:27] <thoreauputic> clem_yeats: you didn't, no [02:28] <seraph> clem_yeats, he wants to avoid logging in again [02:28] <seraph> :) [02:28] <Srekel> I know when I was using, I think windowmaker in school, I could just hit "restart windowmaker" or something from a menu [02:28] <clem_yeats> skalpel : go to your dir, and type umask 000 . [02:28] <srijith> but still see the updated (?) start programs [02:28] <skalpel> dabar: any idea how i can change the default chmod for my directories? i want all users to have rwx on all files, old and new [02:28] <Srekel> and it took only a second to get it back with correct startup stuff [02:28] <dabar> Srekel: gnome-session-manager I think you need to killall gnome-session manager. altho......I am not sure, and will maybe try myself in a xnest. [02:28] <onno> how can I install pfm fonts? do the work on Ubuntu [02:28] <skalpel> clem_yeats: okay [02:28] <clem_yeats> oh ok... sorry then. [02:28] <seraph> srijith, no [02:28] <skalpel> clem_yeats: done [02:28] <ginipig> rata_: one last suggestion: [02:28] <onno> how can I install .pfm fonts? do they work on Ubuntu [02:28] <thoreauputic> Srekel: yes, but that's just a window manager, not a complete desktop environment [02:28] <ginipig> rata_: use the settings for a generic monitor [02:28] <ginipig> rata_: HorizSync 31.5 - 150.0 [02:28] <ginipig> VertRefresh 40-75 [02:29] <skalpel> clem_yeats: how do i inculde recursive directories? [02:29] <rata_> ginipig: thanks, i will try that :) [02:29] <Srekel> thoreauputic, ok, so there's no simple way to do that in gnome? [02:29] <clem_yeats> skalpel : try -R... I'm not sure. [02:29] <clem_yeats> skalpel : otherwise use perl. [02:29] <ginipig> rata_: change 150 to something lower in case [02:29] <thoreauputic> Srekel: what did you want to "refresh" ? [02:29] <clem_yeats> skalpel : or a shell script [02:29] <ginipig> rata_: somewhere ~ 100 [02:29] <skalpel> screw that [02:29] <skalpel> im a n3wb [02:29] <skalpel> and i know there is an easier way [02:29] <rata_> ginipig: ok, i will try that :D [02:29] <clem_yeats> you're a what ? [02:30] <skalpel> a newb! [02:30] <skalpel> hehe [02:30] <skalpel> im very new to linux [02:30] <clem_yeats> hmm... [02:30] <skalpel> i cannot script or use perl [02:30] <clem_yeats> then you'll love scripting [02:30] <Srekel> well I've set some Eterms in the Startup Programs (under Sessions), and I'd like to test different parameters quickly [02:30] <dabar> he wants to see if that works, right. [02:30] <Srekel> it takes almost a minute with ctrl-alt-del [02:30] <dabar> Ill tell you in a sec. [02:30] <poet> how do I make ubuntu boot into text console i/o xdmn/gdm etc? [02:30] <clem_yeats> skalpel: being a "newb" as you say usually doesn't last long. [02:30] <thoreauputic> Srekel: AFAIK gnome-session doesn't know about Eterms (or aterms etc) [02:31] <skalpel> clem_yeats: okay [02:31] <thoreauputic> Srekel: ah sorry I see [02:31] <skalpel> clem_yeats: but i am sure there is an easier way to set default chmods for my dirs than using a coding language or shell script [02:31] <Srekel> thoreauputic, ok :) [02:32] <dabar> Srekel: well, install xnesst...:-/ cant just killall gnome-session. [02:33] <jono> anyone running breezy having trouble installing sysv-rc? [02:33] <Dekkard> error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check [02:33] <srijith> anyone around here using Rox? [02:33] <Dekkard> what exactly does that mean? [02:33] <thoreauputic> srijith: yup [02:33] <Srekel> ouch, that seems a bit too complicated for me at the moment. oh well, it's not that important anyways [02:33] <thoreauputic> srijith: the filer that is [02:33] <srijith> thoreauputic: there you are :) [02:33] <Srekel> thanks guys for the help :) [02:34] <thoreauputic> srijith: what's the issue with rox? [02:34] <clem_yeats> skalpel: doesn't seem to be a recursion option in umask [02:34] <srijith> thoreauputic: how do I associate an application to a file? ie. if I double click on the file in Rox, I need it to open using a particular app [02:34] <skalpel> i noticed that too [02:34] <skalpel> i wonder why not? [02:34] <killahkosha> Woot, almost done doing my messy upgrade to 5.10 :) [02:34] <skalpel> is umask the only way to set the default chmod? [02:34] <Seveas> Dekkard, that you need to install the build-essential package [02:35] <Dekkard> ok [02:35] <Dekkard> ive synaptic open.. [02:35] <thoreauputic> srijith: right click the file and choose "set run action" [02:35] <killahkosha> Just changing the sources.lst over to the 5.10 repositories and then updating the database then doing dist-upgrade will do a clean job at getting me to 5.10, right? [02:35] <clem_yeats> skalpel: I don't know. [02:36] <clem_yeats> skalpel: but you can use unix commands to do that, or shell script, or perl, or whatever, the choice is yours. [02:36] <thoreauputic> srijith: BTW the rox Help is actually helpful (incredible I know, but true ) [02:36] <Dekkard> Seveas: ok did a search and found it [02:37] <rata_> ginipig: :( [02:37] <Dekkard> than we can compile? [02:37] <rata_> ginipig: ubuntu sucks :-P [02:37] <rata_> ginipig: lot of thanks, i am going away now [02:37] <srijith> thoreauputic: thanks, very subtle :) [02:37] <dabar> I have installed dnsmasq, and ipmasq. I changed the /etc/network/options file to show ip_forward=yes. The /etc/dnsmasq.conf has been set up to work as a dhcp server. Also, I have tried setting up a .rul file in /etc/ipmasq/rules, one to allow dhcp requests. I am trying to connect a Mac computer using DHCP. The Mac gets an IP address, and the correct one, that I set up for that MAC address in dnsmasq.conf. [02:37] <chaumurky> pffft [02:37] <dabar> However, it can not ping the Linux, nor can it ping out. The best part is that it worked at some point, but after I tried mounting the wrong hard drive(which locked my system up) I can no longer get it to work. dmesg output can be found at http://dabar.selfip.org/dmesg.out. Perhaps eevn knowing where the logs are kept for ipmasq, or how to make it keep a log would be helpful. ipmasq uses iptables on my system. [02:37] <clem_yeats> skalpel: ls can give you a recursive list of directories... and you can probably pipe that into the umask command somehow. It's hard for me to give you the solution from here since I'm on windows and I don't have any unix box available from here. [02:38] <thoreauputic> srijith: just a tip - if you use a lot of local html docs, dillo is a nice, lightning fast browser for that kind of thing [02:38] <thoreauputic> srijith: I have dillo associated with html in rox for that reason [02:38] <Seveas> Dekkard, yes [02:38] <Dekkard> thanks bro [02:39] <srijith> thoreauputic: thanks for the tip [02:39] <srijith> thoreauputic: will try that [02:40] <thoreauputic> srijith: :) My comment on the Help wasn't a "RTFM" bythe way - I just found it useful ;) [02:41] <chaumurky> just gave dillo a try for my local DTV/EPG but it didn't render correctly... [02:41] <chaumurky> shame [02:41] <srijith> thoreauputic: just to doube check.. dillo does not support CSS and all those heavy stuff right? [02:41] <thoreauputic> srijith: rox is very nice - I rarely use nautilus any mmore [02:41] <thoreauputic> srijith: correct [02:41] <chaumurky> no css ahh that 's why.. *ducks* [02:42] <srijith> thoreauputic: very true. I don't use nautilus too.. minimalism is my kind of thing [02:42] <thoreauputic> srijith: you wouldn't want dillo as an every-day browser [02:43] <thespiritoftal> when I start ubuntu with xfce4 it doesn't auto-detect my usb-disk unlike gnome. how can i make it auto-detect it? [02:43] <Tadej> hello [02:43] <thoreauputic> srijith: actually I find these days it's generally faster to use the cli - I use rox for graphcs/pictures etc mostly [02:43] <Tadej> I have a problem with resolution [02:43] <Tadej> I cant make it go higher than 1024 x 786 @ 60Hz [02:43] <Tadej> I changed xorg.conf [02:44] <Tadej> and still I cant change it [02:44] <srijith> thoreauputic: it has always been, isn't it? [02:44] <thoreauputic> srijith: one nice feature of rox is the built in shell line ( shift-!) [02:45] <chaumurky> Tadej: make sure your frequencies aren't too conservative/ match your display device. [02:45] <thoreauputic> srijith: yes, I meant now that I've been using it for a few years it's become familiar :) [02:45] <srijith> thoreauputic: where does the output of the shell command go? [02:45] <srijith> I jjst did an "ls" and not sure where to look [02:46] <thoreauputic> srijith: it acts on the file(s)you select - I don't know the exact way ti works [02:46] <thoreauputic> *it [02:46] <Tadej> chaumurky: how do I know the freq. of my display device? [02:46] <srijith> haa ok.. [02:46] <thoreauputic> srijith: no, I don't think you can do ls etc [02:47] <thoreauputic> srijith: if you want a shell open at that dir, hit ` (backtick) [02:47] <thoreauputic> srijith: should give you an xterm [02:48] <srijith> thoreauputic: cool! nice.. :) [02:48] <thoreauputic> srijith: yeah, more people should know about rox! It *cough* erm... rocks [02:48] <thoreauputic> :) [02:49] <srijith> thoreauputic: since you are in such a nice mood to impart wisdom, how do I get xterm to copy paste using Shift-Ctrl-C/V? [02:49] <srijith> miss that about gnome-terminal [02:49] <thoreauputic> srijith: hmmm [02:50] <thoreauputic> srijith: no idea, sorry ;-) [02:50] <srijith> np [02:50] <ginipig> isn't that an Xdefaults setting? [02:51] <ginipig> buffer-calls [02:51] <srijith> ginipig: Shift-CTRL-C/V? [02:51] <thoreauputic> srijith: you realise in fluxbox you can make your own key combos for just about anything? (~/.fluxbox/keys ) [02:51] <theD3viL> How can i enable infrared?? [02:52] <srijith> thoreauputic: yup.. I do :) [02:52] <thoreauputic> srijith: you're way ahead of me ;) [02:52] <thoreauputic> srijith: nice isn't it? [02:52] <srijith> thoreauputic: so completely customised my key bindings that no one else can use my laptop :) [02:52] <thoreauputic> srijith: hahah [02:53] <thoreauputic> srijith: the keys file makes my *shudder* windows key useful :) [02:54] <srijith> thoreauputic: http://www.srijith.net/trinetre/archives/upload/screenshot-fluxbox.png [02:54] <thoreauputic> looking [02:55] <srijith> thoreauputic: nothing great, just tossed it out.. [02:55] <thoreauputic> srijith: nice - what style/theme? [02:55] <srijith> slightly modified protblack -> http://toxicana.com/index.php?page=blackbox&showit=100#100 [02:55] <tofirius> hello i need help! [02:55] <srijith> s/protoblack [02:56] <tofirius> somehow i removed myself from the sudoer list [02:56] <tofirius> how can i get it back? [02:56] <Goshawk> \j #sed [02:56] <Goshawk> ops sorry [02:57] <servibancos> 070899 [02:57] <thoreauputic> srijith: I still haven't found a favourite style - I use the "paper" style from openbox a lot,, and asimple one I did myself [02:58] <thoreauputic> openbox styles work with flux, I found [02:58] <eliphas_> everything *box does [02:58] <srijith> thoreauputic: so I have heard [02:58] <wynseb001> hello [02:59] <eliphas_> has it is based on blackbox [02:59] <thoreauputic> tofirius: boot in recovery mode (should get you a root shell) then run visudo [02:59] <wynseb001> hello wynseb001 [02:59] <EasterSunshine> can i get a recommendation for an ssh client for windows? [02:59] <thoreauputic> EasterSunshine: putty [02:59] <EasterSunshine> thx, that was the first hit on google, but it sounded bad =/ [03:00] <srijith> thoreauputic: found copy paste in xterm, highlight for copy and middle click for paste [03:00] <tofirius> thoreauputic..... great! thank you! [03:00] <kemik> EasterSunshine: its a good client [03:00] <mitsuhiko> EasilyOdd: its the only one .) [03:00] <kemik> EasterSunshine: securecrt is another, but its shareware or something [03:00] <thoreauputic> srijith: ah - I thought you meant with the keyboard.... [03:00] <Tadej> ppl how do I found out Vsync and Hsync for my 17" monitor? [03:01] <srijith> thoreauputic: well yes, that is what I wanted, but this will also do.. :) [03:01] <thoreauputic> srijith: that's just standard copy-paste in any app for linux [03:01] <thoreauputic> OK :) [03:01] <Tadej> can I make ubuntu probe monitor? [03:02] <srijith> thoreauputic: duh :) I was trying shift insert instead of middle button for paste and it was not working.. [03:02] <thoreauputic> ah [03:03] <thoreauputic> grrrr [03:03] <ginipig> thoreauputic: firefox? [03:04] <thoreauputic> ginipig: yes - I guess there's an about:config setting to disable it... ? [03:04] <kemik> srijith: shift-insert works if you've ctrl-insert copied it ... :) [03:05] <srijith> kemik: across apps? [03:05] <kemik> srijith: at least across terminals [03:06] <kemik> srijith: works from xchat to a terminal aswell (no need to ctrl-insert copy..) [03:06] <ginipig> thoreauputic: yeah [03:06] <ginipig> thoreauputic: or, you could google for firefox disable target window [03:06] <ginipig> ginipig: whoops, that's not the one [03:06] <srijith> kemik: across terminals, but not across apps [03:06] <srijith> kemik: say across xterm and firefox [03:06] <thoreauputic> ginipig: ah yes - there's an extension of course :) [03:06] <kemik> srijith: works [03:07] <ginipig> thoreauputic: that was the wrong tweak; it's still a useful one though [03:07] <thoreauputic> ginipig: right [03:07] <kemik> srijith: at least i copied the "adress-bar" (where you type URL's) with ctrl-insert, and shift-inserted it in a terminal [03:07] <Akbar> is it possible to upgrade to ubuntu from debian unstable? [03:08] <srijith> kemik: the other way around? [03:08] <kemik> srijith: awh.. no that doesnt work.. :) i guess i misunderstood [03:08] <kemik> sry [03:08] <srijith> kemik: np :) [03:09] <jono> is there a way to perform a dist-upgrade and not have to type in Y to accept the upgrade? [03:09] <killahkosha> I did kind of a messy upgrade to 5.10 and when I did my apt-get dist-upgrade everything worked except for one package: libgl1-xorg-dri, when it tries to install that package it says "dkpg error processing" and "trying to overwrite.....gamma_dri.so which is also provided in package xlibmesa-dri" and also "dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal" [03:09] <ginipig> thoreauputic: ah, you're out of luck, i recently re-installed tabbrowser-prefs [03:09] <jono> killahkosha, same problem here [03:10] <ginipig> thoreauputic: it replaced the relevant entries in about:config (prefs.js) with it's own values [03:10] <kemik> jono: apt-get dist-upgrade -y [03:10] <jono> kemik, :) [03:10] <thoreauputic> ginipig: it's OK - I'll hack at it a bit :) [03:10] <kemik> jono: the man-pages are a great resource [03:10] <killahkosha> jono, haha so what are you gonna do to try to fix? [03:10] <thoreauputic> ginipig: I can usually sort it out [03:11] <ginipig> thoreauputic: if you're interested, they're now: extensions.tabprefs.divertPopupLinks [03:11] <killahkosha> I was thinking maybe renaming the gamma_dri.so and just adding a 1 to the end or something [03:11] <jono> killahkosha, wait for someone who knows what they are doing to fix the package :D [03:11] <killahkosha> Ohmer, package is broken? [03:11] <ginipig> thoreauputic: = 0 [03:11] <killahkosha> oh* [03:11] <ginipig> thoreauputic: ok [03:12] <thoreauputic> ginipig: it's kind of fun in a geeky sort of way to fool with about:config ;-) [03:13] <srijith> thoreauputic: :) even more geekier is to build and optmize ff for your arch [03:13] <thoreauputic> ginipig: I went through a phase of hating the scrollbar, so I removed it... I forget the exact incantation I used [03:13] <ginipig> thoreauputic: i removed most of the elements [03:13] <ginipig> thoreauputic: for a while, i used vim-keybindings, and konkeror-chrome [03:14] <thoreauputic> ginipig: I have only one toolbar - very thin at the top [03:14] <ginipig> thoreauputic: but now I'm back to using gryphens userChrome [03:14] <joee> php4-mysql, is there another package for that? [03:14] <thoreauputic> ginipig: thou art geekier than I, friend ;-) [03:14] <thoreauputic> *grin* [03:14] <ginipig> thoreauputic: :) [03:15] <eliphas_> joee no [03:15] <ginipig> thoreauputic: I'm running ion3 alongside gnome, so I had to setup a mouse-less profile for hta [03:15] <ginipig> that [03:15] <joee> eliphas_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP <- [03:15] <srijith> has anyone tried xen on ubuntu? [03:15] <joee> what do I have to do instead? [03:15] <thoreauputic> ginipig: have you played with wmii ? [03:16] <eliphas_> let me look [03:16] <ginipig> ginipig: yep [03:16] <eliphas_> php4-mysal is in the universe package [03:16] <ginipig> ginipig: it's lua-capable as well [03:16] <thoreauputic> ginipig: you know talking to yourself is the first sign of madness? [03:16] <eliphas_> you have to add the universe in your apt list [03:17] <ginipig> ginipig: that's what I think [03:17] <ginipig> thoreauputic: :) [03:17] <thoreauputic> ;-) [03:17] <ginipig> thoreauputic: hey, it confuses irssi hilighting [03:17] <joee> eliphas_: url for universe? [03:17] <ginipig> or at least in my theme, it does.. [03:18] <thoreauputic> I'm not surprised ... [03:18] <thoreauputic> heh [03:18] <joee> eliphas_ got it [03:18] <joee> :) [03:18] <ginipig> :`( [03:18] <eliphas_> apt-get dist-upgrade -y [03:18] <eliphas_> oops [03:18] <ginipig> gotta hit the sack [03:18] <eliphas_> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories [03:18] <ginipig> night, southern-hemisphere-ians [03:19] <killahkosha> jono, you can't boot into x either, eh? [03:19] <Seveas> !ubuntuguide [03:19] <ubotu> somebody said ubuntuguide was a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned [03:19] <Seveas> ^-- eliphas_ [03:19] <eliphas_> oops Seveas [03:20] <eliphas_> :) [03:20] <_salomon_> hi, i've got a broblem when i try to install an hoary on a old pc... [03:20] <eliphas_> impossible [03:20] <eliphas_> ... [03:20] <Seveas> _salomon_, what's the problem? [03:21] <Angel-SL> _salomon_: we aint mind-reading. [03:21] <ElvenProgrammer> when doing "/sbin/grub-install /dev/hda" it says "/dev/hdc does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." [03:21] <_salomon_> ...i've tried to install fromm cd, but it say that it's unable to find a debootstrap.. [03:21] <Seveas> ElvenProgrammer, how exactly are you running it? From inside a chroot? [03:21] <_salomon_> ...but the cd is ok. [03:22] <ElvenProgrammer> Seveas: yup [03:22] <killahkosha> Does the nvidia-glx driver need libgl1-xorg-dri to work? [03:22] <Seveas> ElvenProgrammer, make sure /proc and /dev are mounted inside the chroot [03:22] <Seveas> mount -o bind /dev /chroot/dev [03:22] <Seveas> mount -o bind /proc /chroot/proc [03:22] <joee> eliphas_ Couldn't stat source package list [03:23] <Seveas> joee, apt-get update [03:23] <_salomon_> someones have any ideas? [03:23] <kiko> hey seb128, can you help rbelem with a python packaging error? [03:23] <kiko> he can't make cdbs cd into a directory before issuing a python setup.py build [03:23] <Seveas> _salomon_, are you sure the cd is good? [03:24] <joee> Seveas: what does this command do? caching the archive lists? [03:24] <eliphas_> joee when you add your repositories you lust do a apt-get update [03:24] <ElvenProgrammer> Seveas: i did as it was written in here [03:24] <ElvenProgrammer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [03:24] <eliphas_> yes [03:24] <jbailey> kiko: Set DEB_SRCDIR [03:24] <Seveas> ElvenProgrammer, that should work [03:24] <eliphas_> sorry for the delay but working at the same time [03:24] <rbelem> hey seb128 [03:24] <Seveas> do /dev and /proc have contents inside the chroot? [03:25] <jono> killahkosha, nope [03:25] <_salomon_> seveas: yes, it's a cd that i've found into a magazine, and i've check it with the apposite option [03:25] <joee> Seveas, eliphas_ thanks a lot [03:25] <killahkosha> oh ok [03:25] <killahkosha> bleh [03:25] <killahkosha> now to see if the kernel is the reason then [03:25] <titanium> any idea what this would be? trying to make a .deb of freenx-0.4.4 (freenx scripts) dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: dpatch [03:25] <ElvenProgrammer> Seveas: it seems so [03:25] <vortec__> hi, where can i configure my wlan under ubuntu? [03:25] <kiko> rbelem, see jbailey's suggestion above [03:25] <Seveas> _salomon_, what kind of PC do you have? And which ubuntu version is it? [03:25] <eliphas_> np [03:26] <rbelem> jbailey, DEB_SRCDIR? where the directory is that contains the setup.py? [03:26] <jbailey> rbelem: Yup [03:26] <killahkosha> wow [03:26] <killahkosha> its 6:30am [03:26] <killahkosha> man i need to go to sleep some time [03:26] <jbailey> rbelem: cdbs supports the concept of srcdir != builddir builds, so you tweak these things all sorts of ways. [03:26] <rbelem> jbailey, cool ;-) [03:26] <Seveas> ElvenProgrammer, then paste your menu.lst (from inside the chroot) and the output of sudo fdisk -l on the pastebin [03:26] <jbailey> rbelem: All the build commands will be relative to that directoroy. [03:26] <jbailey> rbelem: I'll warn you that this is a pretty untested path with distutils, though. [03:26] <_salomon_> seveas: this one it's an old pc (pentium 200MHz - 64Mb RAM) [03:27] <Seveas> rbelem, in fact, it does a cd $(DEB_SRCDIR) [03:27] <jbailey> rbelem: rather python-distutils.mk [03:28] <rbelem> jbailey, Seveas: hum... i try it now [03:28] <ElvenProgrammer> Seveas: i don't have internet connection where my ubuntu is [03:28] <Seveas> _salomon_, should work, at which point exactly do you get the error, and can you be a bit more precise about the error [03:28] <rbelem> jbailey, Seveas: then i come back here ;-) [03:28] <jbailey> rbelem: FWIW, the relevant line in cdbs is cd $(DEB_SRCDIR) && /usr/bin/python$(DEB_PYTHON_COMPILE_VERSION) $(DEB_PYTHON_SETUP_CMD) install --root=$(DEB_DESTDIR) $(DEB_PYTHON_INSTALL_ARGS_ALL) $(DEB_PYTHON_INSTALL_ARGS_$(cdbs_curpkg) [03:28] <jbailey> rbelem: (and such), so it ought to be safe. [03:29] <jbailey> rbelem: in -motu is fine, too. Usually the community there handles the cdbs stuff fine, but I'll make sure that I respond. [03:29] <rbelem> jbailey, i was there [03:30] <_salomon_> seveas: ok, i'll try... i've got the error when it start to install the base system... about 1% then i've got the error. [03:30] <Seveas> _salomon_, that very much sounds like a broken disk [03:30] <Seveas> (cd that is) [03:31] <Dekkard> Seveas: thanks for the help with that compile issue..been using Ubuntu since warty..never compiled a program till today..( im an idiot! ) [03:31] <hippys> hey buddies whats the meaning of eth0:9 [03:31] <Function> "ethernet 0" [03:32] <Concord_Dawn> all ethernet devices from 1 to 10. [03:32] <Function> oh [03:32] <nightswim> it's a virtual interface [03:32] <nightswim> isnt it? [03:32] <Seveas> Dekkard, you know, that you never had to compile something until now is good :) [03:32] <hippys> oh cool [03:32] <Function> I thought it was just the first device [03:32] <Seveas> it shows that Ubuntu works :) [03:32] <_salomon_> seveas: are you shure? the CD seem to be ok. [03:32] <hippys> how can i erase it [03:32] <Function> because computers count from 0 [03:32] <rbelem> jbailey, Seveas, kiko: thanks i'll try and come back [03:32] <Function> ;) [03:32] <Dekkard> Seveas that is true.. all that apt tasty goodness.. [03:32] <Concord_Dawn> hippys, how many ethernet devices have you got on that computer? [03:33] <srijith> has anyone installed an SMIME cert in Ubuntu firefox? [03:33] <Dekkard> but than there comes along somethign for which ther is no build..and im an idiot.. should prollly try to learn how to build packages.. [03:33] <Dekkard> off to work [03:33] <Concord_Dawn> Dekkard, compiling from source is win if there's nothing in the repositories. [03:33] <fl> hi there [03:33] <Concord_Dawn> hi fl [03:34] <Dekkard> Concord_Dawn yes..exactly.. only use as a last resort [03:34] <Concord_Dawn> :) [03:34] <Concord_Dawn> yup [03:34] <Dekkard> i used to be a slacker..that was pretty much a regular thing.. [03:34] <Concord_Dawn> because everything in the repos is pretty much guarenteed to work, else it wouldn't be in the repos :-P [03:34] <aru> my power went out and now when I boot two of my drives don't show up, I'm pretty sure they are mounted, but I have no idea what to do now [03:35] <sletz> hi, does ubuntu 5.04 use the NPTL library? [03:35] <Concord_Dawn> aru, what happens exactly? [03:35] <sletz> i need NPTL..... hiw can install it? [03:35] <Concord_Dawn> does an error message come up saying "Can't find bootable device!" or something similar. [03:36] <Concord_Dawn> sletz, use Synaptic. [03:36] <aru> when I open the Home Folder the drives have an X on the icon, if I try to cd to the directories they are empty [03:36] <Concord_Dawn> herm... [03:36] <Concord_Dawn> or [03:36] <Concord_Dawn> sletz, if it's not there, try Synaptic. [03:36] <hippys> Concord_Dawn: just one, [03:36] <samigaru> aru, ya have no permission to do that? [03:36] <Concord_Dawn> herm...google even [03:37] <aru> samigaru: do the permissions change when the power goes out? [03:37] <Concord_Dawn> hippys, you should only have an interface called eth0 then. [03:37] <sletz> i don't see NPTL in synaptic. [03:37] <Concord_Dawn> aru: possibly [03:37] <aru> even as root the directories asre empty [03:37] <Concord_Dawn> sletz, try google. [03:37] <Liu> hey, I've just installed ubuntu and wondered: what is the standard root password? I havnt choosed one during the installation [03:37] <Concord_Dawn> how do you mount them aru? [03:37] <hippys> Concord_Dawn: yes i have one like that, and one virtual interface eth0:9 [03:37] <Concord_Dawn> Liu: it's blank [03:38] <thoreauputic> Concord_Dawn: it's possible to assign more than one interface to one card [03:38] <hippys> Concord_Dawn: do you know how can i erase the eth0:9 [03:38] <Concord_Dawn> no I don't hippys [03:38] <redguy> !tell Liu about root [03:38] <Concord_Dawn> :) [03:38] <aru> Concord_Dawn: I have them setup in fstab to mount to /home/aru/extra and /home/aru/book, you want the actual line? [03:38] <Liu> thanks :) [03:38] <redguy> Concord_Dawn: no it's not blank, it's not set [03:38] <Concord_Dawn> herm.. [03:38] <thoreauputic> hippys: is it listed in /etc/network/interfaces ? [03:39] <Concord_Dawn> you could argue that that's synonymous, but I'm not going to. [03:39] <redguy> Concord_Dawn: not that I want to argue, but if it was blank you could just login as root and hit enter when login asks for a password [03:40] <aru> so are my two extra hard drives blank now? [03:40] <hotxSAUCE> how do u config the either netcard manually ? [03:41] <Concord_Dawn> redguy, you can't login as root in GDM. [03:41] <Concord_Dawn> unless you configure it that way. [03:41] <Concord_Dawn> trust me, I've tried. [03:41] <fl> question to all: I'm resurrecting my PowerBook G3 series, and I would like to try Ubuntu. What do you think - does it make sense to test Breezy? I'm pretty familiar with Linux, and I figured that you might like reports better on something that is fresh... [03:41] <fl> have to admit - currently trying to get the installer to run :-) [03:41] <Concord_Dawn> fl: go for it, if you think you can handle it. [03:41] <thoreauputic> hotxSAUCE: ifconfig, man interfaces , /etc/network/interfaces [03:42] <fek> re [03:42] <redguy> aru: you sure that they are mounted? check the permissions of /home/aru/extra and /home/aru/book (x for directories is something different than for regular files) [03:42] <fek> isn't it possible to mount a ncp fs from ubuntu? [03:42] <Angel-SL> ./O [03:42] <Angel-SL> :O [03:42] <Angel-SL> Concord_Dawn: LOL [03:42] <Angel-SL> is that you? [03:42] <aru> ok how should I check permissions [03:42] <fl> Concord_Dawn, are Breezy questions ok in here? [03:42] <Concord_Dawn> afaik yes. [03:43] <Concord_Dawn> possibly not though [03:43] <Concord_Dawn> I just use Hoary. [03:43] <seb128> kiko, rbelem-afk: pong [03:43] <Concord_Dawn> As I r Linux n00b ^_^ [03:43] <redguy> fl: /topic [03:43] <Angel-SL> Concord_Dawn: are you the concord dawn from irc.msgplus.net? [03:43] <kiko> seb128, rbelem-afk was having a small packaging problem, but perhaps he's solved it, wait for him to unafk [03:43] <Concord_Dawn> Angel-SL, yes. [03:43] <fl> redguy, yeah, thanks. I can read. [03:43] <BollocksMacenzie> Does anyone know a good audio editing application? [03:44] <Angel-SL> Concord_Dawn: :O and i'm Fairy-NS. [03:44] <sletz> ubuntu has libc 2.3.2 Hiw can i get and install a more recebet version? [03:44] <Concord_Dawn> yeah I know. [03:44] <seb128> kiko: k [03:44] <redguy> aru: in terminal you would ls -l ~ [03:44] <BollocksMacenzie> Something which can edit MP3s and WAVs and maybe convert between? [03:44] <Concord_Dawn> redguy, the topic doesn't specifically say "No Breezy questions" so can he ask Breezy questions or not? [03:44] <thoreauputic> sletz: fooling with libc is a path to a world of pain [03:44] <aru> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2005-07-11 05:26 extra [03:44] <aru> theres one of them [03:45] <Seveas> fl, breezy questions are fine, breezy X problems get the standard answer :) [03:45] <Concord_Dawn> aru: you can only access those devices as root [03:45] <Seveas> sletz, please don't fiddle with libc [03:45] <Concord_Dawn> you can't access them as a normal user. [03:45] <Seveas> what do you need a newer version for? [03:46] <aru> Concord_Dawn: so if I open a root terminal and change to those directories I could see my files? [03:46] <fl> Seveas, hehe, that's ok. I'm prepared to have the poor old PB churn thru the X compile :-) [03:46] <Concord_Dawn> you should be able to, yes. [03:46] <thoreauputic> Concord_Dawn: erm, those permissions allow read and execute for "others" [03:46] <aru> Concord_Dawn: I just did and it shows nothing [03:46] <thoreauputic> or read and acess [03:46] <redguy> aru: and what does mount say? paste it to http://pastebin.com [03:46] <thoreauputic> *access [03:46] <sletz> i need to have NTPL how can i do that? [03:46] <fl> oh man, I just totally forgot how MacOS 9 sucks. been using Linux too long now. [03:46] <Concord_Dawn> thoreauputic, well, I'm just being safe as root owns those files. [03:47] <Seveas> sletz, ubuntu has nptl [03:47] <thoreauputic> Concord_Dawn: anyone should be able to read a dir with 755 permissions [03:47] <Concord_Dawn> Well. [03:47] <Concord_Dawn> You never know. [03:47] <Concord_Dawn> didn't work anyways. [03:48] <Concord_Dawn> aru, sounds like your device is hosed. [03:48] <aru> son of a bitch [03:48] <Seveas> aru, language... [03:48] <iiiears> right clicking on a file using the gui to set permissions shows a changing chmod number - neat eh? [03:49] <aru> well if you lost three months worth of work to a power outage youd say it too [03:49] <redguy> aru: /home/aru/extra seems to be mounted [03:49] <Concord_Dawn> iiiears, yeah [03:49] <aru> and I've never had a power outage blank a drive [03:49] <hippys> is there somebody who knows how to configure an usb modem [03:49] <Seveas> aru, ouch.... [03:49] <Seveas> what's the symptom? [03:49] <redguy> aru: no backups? that's sad [03:50] <aru> there is [03:50] <aru> but not for the past 13 days [03:50] <Concord_Dawn> tbh [03:50] <Concord_Dawn> I haven't backed up my drive in 2 months + [03:50] <hippys> aru: are you talking about the modem [03:50] <redguy> aru: maybe Seveas can help you... it seems odd that power failure would blan a partition [03:50] <sletz> seveas: i try to use Posix sempahore but sem-open fails... [03:51] <sletz> function not implemented... [03:51] <redguy> s/blan/blank/ [03:51] <kemik> aru: try some diskrecovery application maybe [03:52] <iiiears> "Helix" or "linux sleuth kit" [03:52] <thoreauputic> aru: what are the permissions on /home/aru ? ls -ld /home/aru [03:53] <Seveas> sletz, hmm, that already is far beyond my nptl knowledge [03:53] <Seveas> apt-cache show libc6-i686 says that nptl support is enabled [03:53] <aru> drwxr-xr-x 37 aru aru 4096 2005-08-17 06:30 /home/aru [03:53] <Seveas> maybe you need another headerfile [03:54] <thoreauputic> aru: OK that looks fine - just checking [03:54] <Concord_Dawn> Anyone know a good program to back Linux up with? [03:54] <cafuego> tar [03:54] <Seveas> mondo/mindi [03:54] <fl> amanda is nice, but probably overkill [03:54] <redguy> aru: what does df say? [03:54] <cafuego> rsync [03:54] <ElvenII> Seveas, Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. [03:55] <fl> rsync the stuff to a remote machine, and pull that down to a DVD [03:55] <Concord_Dawn> fl, no got a remote machine [03:55] <fl> you could do some nice tricks with lndir to create "snapshot" style functionality [03:55] <Concord_Dawn> actually... [03:56] <cafuego> fl: uh-huh [03:56] <Concord_Dawn> damnit [03:56] <Concord_Dawn> I WANT MY OTHER COMPUTEr. [03:56] <Seveas> redguy, that says his disks are completely empty :| [03:56] <fl> then just down to external media [03:56] <iiiears> mondo backup utility has a lot of features [03:56] <cafuego> rsync at night; burn to dvd [03:56] <pablof> hi, my pendrive not mount automatic. [03:56] <fl> here's a good article: http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ [03:56] <pablof> on breezy [03:57] <cafuego> pablof: /topic [03:57] <iiiears> nice link - thanks [03:57] <Concord_Dawn> cafuego, breezy questiosn are allowed in here. [03:57] <pablof> ok, sorry [03:57] <cafuego> Concord_Dawn: of course. [03:58] <redguy> Seveas, aru: ouch! [03:58] <Seveas> pablof, known problem on breezy -- being fixed. [03:58] <cafuego> Concord_Dawn: so is answering those questions. [03:58] <cafuego> Concord_Dawn: be it with an actual answer or with 'you idiot!' [03:58] <fl> What this Mike Rubel guy does is a lot like the NetApp snapshot feature - unfortunately, a NetApp filer starts at ~ 20 k :-( [03:58] <Concord_Dawn> yeah [03:58] <Concord_Dawn> tbh [03:58] <Concord_Dawn> NetBackup wins [03:59] <pablof> Seveas: i make dist-upgrade and not fix... [03:59] <fl> hehe *any* backup wins :-) [03:59] <pablof> Seveas: not mount cdrom too [03:59] <Concord_Dawn> but netbackup wins++. :-P [03:59] <Concord_Dawn> My dad's company makes it :-P [04:00] <Angel-SL> gimmmmmmmmmmme! [04:00] <srijith> just trying my luck again.. anyone installed an SMIME cert in Ubuntu Firefox? [04:01] <Concord_Dawn> why is an 8 yr old using Linux? =\ [04:01] <pablof> Seveas: my fstab not update when plug usb or put cdrom in drive [04:01] <pablof> have any bug in fstab-sync ? [04:01] <Concord_Dawn> pablof, it's a known bug in Breezy, it's being fixed. [04:03] <pablof> ok [04:03] <Solid> where can i find Sigc++? [04:03] <ElvenProgrammer> has the livecd got ssh server? [04:03] <aru> how do I umount the drives if it keeps telling me they are busy? [04:03] <thoreauputic> ElvenProgrammer: I doubt it - probably client only [04:04] <guydebord> had a hard time getting into ubuntu channel today. Had to change my nickname. [04:04] <fl> aru: try lsof to see what's using the disk [04:04] <Concord_Dawn> tbh. [04:04] <Concord_Dawn> you can't. [04:04] <Concord_Dawn> it's diamond plated [04:05] <aru> fl: gam_serve <- what is that? [04:05] <thoreauputic> Concord_Dawn: man umount - look for the -l flag or "lazy umount" [04:05] <fl> aru, sorry, no idea. [04:05] <thoreauputic> aru: it's the file alteration monitor [04:06] <thoreauputic> aru: it's gamin, which replaced fam [04:06] <aru> thoreauputic: whats that mean and how do I kill it? [04:06] <kemik> aru: lazy unmount, or use FUSER to see which process is using the device [04:06] <Bags> cafuego, I'm back. [04:06] <Bags> cafuego, Are you still keen to hear about my little dilemma? [04:06] <thoreauputic> aru: it might show up if you do a ps aux | grep gam [04:07] <thoreauputic> aru: if so, you can kill the process ID number [04:07] <fl> aru: do you want to shutdown cleanly or unclean? unclean -> use fuser -k to kill whatever process is accessing the directory [04:07] <hippys> are the usb modem old [04:07] <thoreauputic> aru: else you can try sudo killall gam [04:07] <aru> WOOT [04:08] <aru> fsck'd my disks and they are back [04:08] <paulproteus> aru: Whew! :) [04:08] <thoreauputic> aru: yay! \o/ [04:08] <guydebord> Little thing bugs me about openoffice. The text on my wide-screen laptop is really stretched horizontally. No problem with icons or printout. And scale change in options>view makes everything small. Any suggestions? [04:08] <aru> I'm gunna go ahead and back everything up on dvds right now [04:09] <fl> aru: another saved sould who's going to make backups, right? [04:09] <fl> :-) [04:09] <aru> thanks everyone for your help [04:09] <Bags> Anyone in the room know anything about resetting a PPC G4's Open Firmware config? [04:10] <Bags> I've a G4 with a failed Ubuntu installation now refusing to boot into anything. [04:10] <Bags> I can't even get Open Firmware console, single user console, boot partition selection screen, just black... [04:10] <fl> usually resetting the PRAM to default values would be CMD-OPT-P-R [04:11] <redguy> Bags: no luck with netbooting? or wasn't it you? [04:11] <fl> I'm not sure if that also touches OF, because I have a Oldworld machine [04:11] <Solid> my installation stucks at "Testing Network repository" at 50% [04:13] <fl> Bags: just checked, docs say that zapping the PRAM should also reset NVRAM and OF config. [04:14] <mr_daemon> Hello~ [04:15] <mr_daemon> I am highly considering running ubuntu on my G3 iBook... any caveats that I should be aware of? [04:15] <mr_daemon> Such as, how is sleep support? [04:18] <tombs> hi ppl [04:20] <zukalk> rod_, hey [04:20] <dirty> what package contains alsaconf? [04:21] <theD3viL> why alsaconf ? [04:21] <dirty> i have 2 soundcards and the install decected the wrong card [04:21] <theD3viL> aha [04:21] <theD3viL> dunno [04:21] <thoreauputic> dirty: ubuntu doesn't have alsaconf, for whatever reason [04:21] <dirty> ahh ok, thought i was nuts or something [04:21] <dirty> thought i was calling it the wrong thing [04:21] <dirty> thanks thoreauputic [04:22] <thoreauputic> dirty: apparently it was "cusing more problems than it solved" [04:22] <thoreauputic> *causing [04:22] <fek> isn't it possible to mount a ncp fs from ubuntu? [04:22] <dirty> thoreauputic: thats odd :P [04:22] <thoreauputic> dirty: no worries :) [04:22] <fek> mount couldn't handle "ncp" [04:22] <theD3viL> I just wondering why all the peoples using ubuntu? [04:22] <theD3viL> i using ubuntu too... but why all? ;) [04:22] <thoreauputic> dirty: yeah - just passsing on what one of the devs said about it [04:23] <dirty> theD3viL: im comming from arch linux to test and i can tell you already :P [04:23] <robin_> because it is for ppl lazy to use debian :) [04:23] <theD3viL> dirty, tell me :) [04:23] <dirty> for lap tops its a dream [04:23] <dirty> somestimes robust is a good thing [04:24] <dirty> i wish i was lucky enought to start with it [04:24] <dirty> *enough [04:24] <deric> hi all, install question here. My dad has a windows computer which I'm not allowed to modify the hard drive. But I want to use Ubuntu on it (Im running the liveCD now). I have an NFS server on the network. How hard would it be to set up an nfs-root ubuntu system? any pointers? [04:25] <arphetic> hello [04:25] <Solid> TRy Ubuntu On VMWARE [04:25] <fek> hello? [04:25] <RootX|Arphetic> does ubuntu have a update function [04:25] <theD3viL> RootX|Arphetic, yes [04:25] <RootX|Arphetic> ok [04:28] <RootX|Arphetic> Is it possible to update from 4.2 to 5. [04:28] <RootX|Arphetic> ? [04:28] <RootX|Arphetic> or w/e versions i have [04:28] <theD3viL> yes [04:28] <theD3viL> just upgrade-dist [04:28] <nophix> dist-upgrade? :) [04:28] <theD3viL> modify your source.list and apt-get update, apt-get upgrade-dist [04:28] <apokryphos> !upgrade [04:28] <ubotu> upgrade is probably "One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" [04:28] <theD3viL> yes.. [04:29] <nophix> simple [04:29] <iiiears> ubotu rsync is also http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/#Isolation [04:29] <ubotu> iiiears: okay [04:29] <RootX|Arphetic> err [04:29] <co-piolet> hello i want help [04:29] <co-piolet> is there any one who help me [04:29] <apokryphos> !helpme [04:29] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you. [04:30] <co-piolet> i want to get free cds of linux can i get them [04:30] <co-piolet> ? [04:30] <RootX|Arphetic> sudo [04:30] <apokryphos> !shipit [04:30] <ubotu> hmm... shipit is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/shipit/link_view [04:30] <apokryphos> co-piolet: yes; check that link. [04:31] <co-piolet> thx ubotu [04:31] <co-piolet> Oh! ubotu, [04:31] <co-piolet> Did u ever fall in love,but knew they didn't care? [04:31] <co-piolet> U cry all night in misery,and almost go insane. [04:32] <co-piolet> There's nothing in this world ,that cause so much pain. [04:32] <apokryphos> co-piolet: this is #ubuntu [04:32] <co-piolet> If I could choose life or death,I would rather die. [04:32] <co-piolet> So don't fall in love,you'll be hurt before it's over. [04:32] <co-piolet> But ubotu, I should have know. [04:32] <co-piolet> I FELL IN LOVE WITH YOU [04:32] <thoreauputic> hahah [04:32] <apokryphos> :| [04:32] <thoreauputic> a love song to ubotu! [04:32] <nophix> love is in the air [04:32] <thoreauputic> !good bot [04:32] <ubotu> thanks thoreauputic :) [04:33] <echylo> !sing a song for bot [04:33] <ubotu> echylo: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about [04:33] <apokryphos> ubotu: love [04:33] <ubotu> love is probably life [04:33] <echylo> :( [04:33] <echylo> ubotu, ubuntu [04:33] <ubotu> from memory, ubuntu is an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian. http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards [04:33] <apokryphos> heh [04:33] <echylo> ubotu daemon [04:33] <ubotu> echylo: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [04:33] <echylo> hmm [04:33] <echylo> you can't ask it questions? :P [04:34] <RootX|Arphetic> ah done [04:34] <Seveas> echylo, please don't play with it... [04:34] <echylo> oh the "forget" thing right? [04:34] <echylo> :p [04:34] <echylo> no ok [04:36] <Kyral> !awards [04:36] <ubotu> [awards] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubunturocks [04:37] <RootX|Arphetic> upgrade is probably "One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" [04:37] <RootX|Arphetic> does this update to hoary? [04:37] <apokryphos> RootX|Arphetic: correct [04:37] <RootX|Arphetic> or to warty [04:37] <RootX|Arphetic> dunno which one is the newest [04:37] <apokryphos> you can't ugprade to warty... it's the first ever version of Ubuntu. [04:38] <RootX|Arphetic> update to breezy [04:38] <Kyral> NOOO! [04:38] <RootX|Arphetic> w/e [04:38] <apokryphos> RootX|Arphetic: at your own peril, sure. [04:38] <Kyral> Breezy == UNSTABLE [04:38] <co-piolet> where i will get the drivers of linux [04:38] <Kyral> I'm running it but I lost 3D Accel in the upgrade [04:38] <RootX|Arphetic> Does this update to the 5.* version? [04:38] <RootX|Arphetic> ;) [04:38] <co-piolet> where i will get the drivers of linux [04:39] <co-piolet> ? [04:39] <Kyral> Hoary == 5.04 [04:39] <Kyral> co-piolet, for what? [04:39] <co-piolet> where i will get the drivers of linux? [04:39] <fl> any ideas why an oldWorld G3 series Powerbook would stop booting the kernel right after setup_arch and arch? I'm using bootX, Partition where the kernel is HFS [04:39] <apokryphos> RootX|Arphetic: Warty is 4.10; the above upgrades Warty to Hoary (5.04) [04:39] <co-piolet> for modem display [04:39] <thenuke> co-piolet: drivers for what [04:39] <apokryphos> co-piolet: you don't need to ask a million times in a minute. [04:39] <co-piolet> ok sorry [04:39] <RootX|Arphetic> apokryphos, so it updates to 5.04 [04:39] <thenuke> co-piolet: modem? or display :) there is no modem display :] [04:39] <apokryphos> RootX|Arphetic: well, yes. [04:39] <Concord_Dawn> fl, possibly because the FS blows? :-P [04:39] <RootX|Arphetic> ok [04:39] <co-piolet> for modem and display [04:39] <apokryphos> RootX|Arphetic: if you're on Warty [04:40] <RootX|Arphetic> well i guess so [04:40] <RootX|Arphetic> i just installed it from the CD so [04:40] <RootX|Arphetic> ;) [04:40] <apokryphos> RootX|Arphetic: you installed warty from the CD? [04:40] <co-piolet> after installing the cd will it ask me for drivers like in windows or not [04:40] <fl> Concord_Dawn, hmm, HFS is not so bad after all. There's uglier beasts. I'll try without the initrd, maybe I'll see more. [04:40] <Kyral> co-piolet, no [04:40] <guydebord> I wanna SHRINK THE width of written text in open office. But, just in view, printout is fine. I dont want to shrink the icon text either, happens in format>options>view>scale. Any suggestions? [04:41] <Kyral> most of the drivers are in the kernel [04:41] <Kyral> and auto-detected at that [04:41] <co-piolet> it will install it on pentium 4 [04:41] <RootX|Arphetic> apokryphos, i just installed from the shipit CD's [04:41] <nuria> alguien en espa?ol??? [04:41] <Kyral> which reminds me I have to recompile the stupid 2.6.12 kernel that Breezy HAD to install [04:41] <fl> oh, hmm, maybe bootX has the classic 2GB problem... [04:41] <Kyral> co-piolet, yes [04:41] <guydebord> hablo espaol [04:42] <Kyral> espanol en #ubuntu-es [04:42] <apokryphos> RootX|Arphetic: that means you could have either. Is it installed now? What's the output of cat /etc/issue ? [04:42] <co-piolet> Kyral , will it ask for new drivers after installing or not [04:42] <Kyral> co-piolet, no [04:42] <co-piolet> 100% gaurentee [04:42] <co-piolet> ? [04:42] <Kyral> I can gaurentee that it will not ask for drivers [04:43] <Kyral> I cannot gaurentee that it will work :P [04:43] <co-piolet> Kyral ok thank you very much [04:43] <co-piolet> one poem for you kyral [04:43] <iiiears> heh [04:43] <RootX|Arphetic> Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" \n \l [04:43] <co-piolet> Oh! Kyral, [04:43] <co-piolet> I as a man,I wanted to love you, [04:43] <Kyral> ..... [04:43] <apokryphos> oO [04:43] <guydebord> I wanna SHRINK THE width of written text in open office. But, just in view, printout is fine. I dont want to shrink the icon text either, happens in format>options>view>scale. Any suggestions? [04:43] <co-piolet> Cares for you, [04:43] <co-piolet> Possess you, [04:43] <co-piolet> and attempt to make you believe in me. [04:43] <RootX|Arphetic> OLD cd's ;) [04:43] <co-piolet> My love creates a knot that will be united forever, [04:43] <thoreauputic> co-piolet: please, this isn't a poetry channel [04:43] <co-piolet> throughout my whole life. [04:44] <Kyral> .... [04:44] <co-piolet> This is the gift that god gives you. [04:44] <Kyral> okaaaay.....getting creepy [04:45] <RootX|Arphetic> I hate Gnome [04:45] <RootX|Arphetic> i think i gonna install blackbox or so [04:45] <RootX|Arphetic> :/ [04:45] <Kyral> I <3 GNOME :D [04:45] <apokryphos> RootX|Arphetic: *hate*? Why? [04:45] <RootX|Arphetic> <3 = ? [04:45] <RootX|Arphetic> apokryphos, its... erm [04:45] <Kyral> <3 == Heart [04:45] <RootX|Arphetic> dunno in english [04:45] <iiiears> gnome is nice if your system is recent [04:46] <RootX|Arphetic> Kyral, rofl \^^/ this does even look more like a hart [04:46] <RootX|Arphetic> heart [04:46] <apokryphos> iiiears: it's hardly that cpu-intensive; should be decent enough on vast majority of comps. [04:46] <nuria> anybody knows how to comunnicate a zen micro with ubuntu? [04:46] <iiiears> very true [04:46] <ABRAXAS77> hello [04:46] <ABRAXAS77> somebody knows how can I install stdc++? [04:46] <apokryphos> hi [04:47] <RootX|Arphetic> hello [04:47] <RootX|Arphetic> err [04:47] <iiiears> KDE is flashy. - still didn't like it as much [04:47] <theD3viL> KDE works slowly than gnome :S [04:47] <ABRAXAS77> plz [04:47] <reiki> Seveas alive? [04:48] <lee> is anybody here able to use alsasink as the audio sink under System > Preferences > Multimedia Systems Selector? I'm running hoary, and I get an error about failing to construct pipeline (and I have no idea how to fix it) [04:48] <apokryphos> theD3viL: always depends on who you ask =) [04:48] <thoreauputic> iiiears: yes , KDE appeals to a quite different set of aesthetic tastes than gnome ;) [04:48] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: what? People who have some? ;-) [04:48] <apokryphos> [/troll] [04:48] <theD3viL> hm... is it mather which kernel do i have (386, k7)? [04:49] <apokryphos> theD3viL: yes. You should get the one that suits your CPU [04:49] <iiiears> lee has an interesting question. [04:49] <reiki> using the <pastebin>/969 posting for sources.list I get 48 updates available after a fresh install. Just go ahead and allow the updates to happen? [04:49] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: heh - I'm actually an artist so.... I tend to think all desktops are shall we say , a bit crass ;) [04:49] <theD3viL> apokryphos, which kernel is for AMD Athlon XP 2600+ ? [04:49] <RootX|Arphetic> They should standerd include Mercury into ubuntu instead of that crappy gaim [04:49] <apokryphos> theD3viL: k7 [04:50] <theD3viL> tnx [04:50] <theD3viL> apokryphos, only kernel-image? [04:50] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: hehe. I guess we can just hope for the future; you checked out the appeal site? Some hopeful things there :) [04:50] <lee> iiiears: the important thing is, does anybody have an interesting answer =) [04:50] <apokryphos> theD3viL: no, linux-k7 [04:50] <Jowi> xorg gives me error for DRI ([drm] failed to load kernel module "via") and my /dev/dri/ dir is empty [04:51] <Jowi> anyone know how to enable via dri? [04:51] <theD3viL> apokryphos, than, kernel-image, linux-k7, and ? [04:51] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: my trouble is whenever I use the gimp I feel like getting a brush and some oil paint... digital images are limiting [04:51] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: whole project dedicated to, among other things, making kde "breathtakingly beautiful" [04:51] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: Totally agree, but for some it's their preferred medium [04:52] <iiiears> lee it's a long shot but, let's quiz the bot. - impish grin [04:52] <iiiears> !sound [04:52] <ubotu> I guess sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063, or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/ [04:52] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: yes, I'm speaking personally of course [04:52] <apokryphos> theD3viL: just the linux-k7 will get you the appropriate kernel for AMDs [04:52] <Jowi> !dri [04:52] <ubotu> Jowi: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [04:52] <iiiears> !esd [04:52] <ubotu> esd is, like, Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously. [04:52] <fl> aaahh shucks. 2.6.12-3-powerpc doesn't want to boot. [04:52] <iiiears> !alsa [04:52] <ubotu> well, alsa is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 [04:52] <theD3viL> apokryphos, aha..tnx a lot. [04:52] <thoreauputic> if only that esd factoid were true :/ [04:52] <Jowi> !via [04:53] <ubotu> Jowi: What? [04:53] <iiiears> ubotu are you a savant? [04:53] <ubotu> iiiears: I don't know, could you explain it? [04:53] <lee> ubotu, botsnack [04:53] <ubotu> :) [04:53] <ABRAXAS77> somebody can help me please? [04:53] <apokryphos> !helpme [04:53] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you. [04:53] <ABRAXAS77> i asked [04:53] <thoreauputic> !!find stdc++ [04:53] <ABRAXAS77> i need install stdc++ library [04:53] <ubotu> Not a clue, thoreauputic [04:54] <thoreauputic> bah [04:54] <Jowi> Does anyone know what's up with xorg, via CLE266 and DRI? Does anyone have any knowledge regarding this? [04:54] <thoreauputic> !find stdc++ [04:54] <iiiears> !ubotu [04:54] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/ [04:54] <ABRAXAS77> thomerz, "the packet or directory doesnt exist" [04:54] <Seveas> people, don't play with ubotu... [04:54] <vagamente> any GWC user? [04:54] <Seveas> if you don;t know how he works, msg him [04:54] <apokryphos> iiiears: better to just play in /msg [04:55] <iiiears> ubotu helpme is also see what i know here http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/ [04:55] <ubotu> iiiears: okay [04:55] <thoreauputic> ABRAXAS77: OK you need a better description of what you are looking for [04:55] <Seveas> ABRAXAS77, you need libstdc++6 [04:55] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'stdc++' returned no results. [04:55] <redguy> Jowi: indeed is a simple google search more effort than asking here? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24680.html [04:56] <ABRAXAS77> Seveas, how?, apt-get install libstdc++6 doesnt work [04:56] <paulproteus> ABRAXAS77: Try build-essential. [04:56] <Seveas> ABRAXAS77, paste the error on the pastebin [04:56] <mjr> which identd would people suggest? [04:56] <Seveas> pidentd [04:56] <theD3viL> apokryphos, is 2.6-10 k7 lastes stable kernel? [04:56] <mjr> ack [04:57] <Seveas> theD3viL, for hoary on amd processors: yes [04:57] <ABRAXAS77> Seveas, http://pastebin.com/339055 [04:57] <apokryphos> theD3viL: yes [04:57] <theD3viL> Seveas, apokryphos, tnx [04:57] <Seveas> ABRAXAS77, so you already have it... [04:57] <RootX|Arphetic> BTW anyone has an idea on how to get all the linux partitions off? [04:57] <Seveas> if you need to compile things against it get the libstdc++6-dev package [04:58] <RootX|Arphetic> as preperation for installing wind00s [04:58] <Jowi> redguy, crap. i thought it might have been solved already. i've had this bloody DRI problem for two years now. dri.sourceforge.net only has very limited info. [04:58] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Sure. Run cfdisk from Linux, and delete all the partitions. [04:58] <Jowi> redguy, thanks though [04:58] <Seveas> RootX|Arphetic, fdisk from a windows cp/floppy will do too [04:58] <ABRAXAS77> Seveas, so why i receive this error? configure: error: stdc++ library not found [04:58] <Seveas> if you need to compile things against it get the libstdc++6-dev package <------- [04:58] <fl> yay! it boots ;-) the display settings on oldworld macs are really funny sometimes. [04:59] <ABRAXAS77> Seveas, installing [04:59] <ABRAXAS77> thnx seb128 [04:59] <ABRAXAS77> Seveas, sorry [04:59] <fl> Concord_Dawn, it was the display setting. [04:59] <iiiears> ubotu alsa is also http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 [04:59] <ubotu> okay, iiiears [04:59] <iiiears> ubotu sound is also http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 [04:59] <ubotu> iiiears: okay
 RootX|Arphetic, fdisk from a windows cp/floppy will do to <- FDisk cant remove linux partitions, it will error on logical disk stuff
 RootX|Arphetic: Sure. Run cfdisk from Linux, and delete all the partitions <- cfdisk from linux? [05:00] <echylo> where is the log file for incoming connections on apache(port 80)? [05:00] <reiki> Seveas: using the <pastebin>/969 posting for sources.list I get 48 updates available after a fresh install. Just go ahead and allow the updates to happen? [05:00] <thoreauputic> iiiears: the way you're going, ubotu will be spitting out factoids as long as War and Peace ;-) [05:00] <Seveas> reiki, yes, these are security updates [05:00] <reiki> just checking to make sure I'm current and not using incorrect source.list [05:00] <kakabajs> are there any way to save Eterms between sessions? except in the Startup Programs Tab under Sessions? [05:00] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Step 1. Boot into Linux. Step 2: Do "sudo cfdisk" at a terminal. Step 3: Navigate the menus and delete every partition. Step 4: Save and quit cfdisk. [05:00] <Srekel> like, adding them to a .bashrc script or something? [05:00] <iiiears> nah - maybe the guiness book but not war and peace. [05:01] <Srekel> although I tried that and that just spawned one Eterm after another ;) [05:01] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, you mean with lifedisk? [05:01] <ksmurf> antone using breezy yet? I'm having issues getting my iriver to mount [05:01] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Huh? What's lifedisk? [05:01] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Ive used some versions of windows fdisk that could deltet linux partitions. [05:01] <RootX|Arphetic> life cd [05:01] <echylo> where is the log file for incoming connections on apache(port 80)? anyone ? [05:02] <icewt> echylo, /var/log/apache ? [05:02] <echylo> hmm ok [05:02] <echylo> thanks [05:02] <thoreauputic> Srekel: you want to save eterms, or sessions *in* eterms? For the latter you would use the GNU screen program and detach/ re-attach... [05:03] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, Ubuntu Life CD [05:03] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Li*v*e CD. [05:03] <Srekel> well, I want to start a couple of transparent eterms when I log in [05:03] <paulproteus> Yeah, the Live CD would be fine for this. [05:03] <deufo> hi, is it possible to get hibernate in xfce? [05:03] <ksmurf> ok it sees my iriver using lsusb ... so what now [05:03] <Kyral> hmmm, what if.... [05:03] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, ? [05:03] <Kyral> is it bad for my kernel to have it be bloated? [05:04] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: It's called a Live CD. [05:04] <paulproteus> *V* not *F*. LIVE, not LIFE. [05:04] <Dr_Willis> Kyral, proberly not worth worrying about. [05:04] <paulproteus> So I didn't know what you were referring to. [05:04] <paulproteus> Yes, the Live CD would be fine. [05:04] <RootX|Arphetic> So im in shell now [05:04] <Kyral> yah [05:04] <thoreauputic> Srekel: you realise the gnome-terminal can do transparency too, I guess? [05:04] <RootX|Arphetic> cfdisk ?/ [05:04] <paulproteus> I wrote exactly what to type above. [05:04] <Kyral> 'cause when I compile kernels I'm the guy that doesn't take chances and enables just about everything :P [05:04] <theD3viL> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox-gnome-support_1.0.6-1ubuntu1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/libmozgnome.so', which is also in package mozilla-firefox-gnome-support <- wtf is this? [05:04] <deric> paulprotteus: (its eric) suspend did not work out-of-box ;) [05:05] <paulproteus> deric: So I guessed. :) [05:05] <Srekel> thoreauputic, yes, but I didn't find a way to remove the borders from it (probably just as simple) [05:05] <paulproteus> I guess I owe you a soda or something. ;) [05:05] <Seveas> theD3viL, do NOT use backports firefox packages... [05:05] <deufo> when i load gnome panel in xfce and press logout, there isn't a hibernate option [05:05] <theD3viL> hmmm [05:05] <theD3viL> so i must change source.list ? [05:05] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, neither sudo or cfdisk will work with livecd [05:05] <deric> paulproteus: any pointers to docs on doing an nfsroot setup? [05:05] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Why not? [05:05] <deric> RootX|Arphetic: sudo works fine (running liveCD now) [05:06] <RootX|Arphetic> its not on it? [05:06] <ABRAXAS77> Seveas, continues with the error [05:06] <Solid> hey can anyone tell me why my installation stucs at "configuring atp" "Testing network repositary" at 50% [05:06] <RootX|Arphetic> Error 27: Unrecognized command [05:06] <ABRAXAS77> Seveas, configure: error: stdc++ library not found [05:06] <thoreauputic> Srekel: hmm - more a window manager function I think - trivially easy with fluxbox but metacity is... inflexible [05:06] <RootX|Arphetic> its the warty version [05:06] <Seveas> ABRAXAS77, what are ou compiling [05:06] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Oh, the Warty one. [05:06] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Do sudo fdisk , then. [05:06] <ABRAXAS77> Seveas, amsn, the svc version [05:06] <RootX|Arphetic> sudo doesnt work [05:06] <paulproteus> deric: I don't know anything specific. I would look for docs for Debian, and just apply them to Ubuntu. [05:06] <ksmurf> anyone? [05:06] <RootX|Arphetic> :/ [05:06] <icewt> theD3viL, or just uninstall mozilla-firefox and mozilla-firefox-gnome-support before installing firefox and firefox-gnome-support [05:06] <Seveas> ABRAXAS77, sudo apt-get build-dep amsn [05:06] <Srekel> thoreauputic, ok. is it easy to change to fluxbox? if so, where should I look for more information on it [05:06] <Seveas> that will enable you to build it [05:07] <ABRAXAS77> Seveas, yes,but the svc version [05:07] <ABRAXAS77> ok [05:07] <Seveas> *build-dep* [05:07] <Seveas> not install [05:07] <thoreauputic> Srekel: apt-cache show fluxbox and http://fluxbox.org [05:07] <theD3viL> icewt, will my bookmarks erase ? [05:07] <ABRAXAS77> Seveas, the error continues [05:07] <icewt> theD3viL, no [05:07] <ksmurf> lsusb gives me a list of my usb devices but how do I mount my irver? [05:07] <Srekel> thoreauputic, thanks again for your help :) [05:08] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Do you mind erasing the whole disk? [05:08] <ABRAXAS77> ah,ok [05:08] <ABRAXAS77> Seveas, sorry [05:08] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: There's a stronger command we can apply that'll erase all partitions. [05:08] <fl> is there some magic with "configure multiseat system"? the inst step fails with a Breezy colony 2 CD [05:08] <thoreauputic> Srekel: no worries :) [05:08] <Solid> anyone? [05:08] <supernix> does anyone here use like a diary or journal ? [05:08] <thenuke> supernix: if does, so what [05:08] <paulproteus> supernix: Many people use livejournal on the web for that. [05:09] <Seveas> supernix, does blog count :) [05:09] <paulproteus> fl: I've been trying to get that to work since Hoary; no dice for me. [05:09] <supernix> hmmm I just was looking for a program to use on my kubuntu [05:09] <icewt> theD3viL, your settings won't be touched unless you use --purge when uninstalling. and even then your personal firefox settings (including bookmarks) are preserved [05:09] <supernix> I thought about online diary but fear that everything might not be so private [05:09] <paulproteus> supernix: There are LiveJournal clients in Ubuntu. ;) [05:10] <paulproteus> supernix: Usually, if I want to leave a note, I do: [05:10] <thunderzomx> alguien que hable espaol? [05:10] <paulproteus> $EDITOR `date -I` [05:10] <supernix> paulproteus: what programs are on there ? [05:10] <paulproteus> supernix: I don't recall exactly; use the search in Synaptic. [05:10] <supernix> ok [05:10] <paulproteus> apt-cache search will also do. [05:10] <Seveas> !es [05:10] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. [05:10] <Seveas> ^-- thunderzomx [05:10] <supernix> I know that KDE has something that is like a diary [05:10] <thunderzomx> gracias [05:10] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, the whole disk HAS To be errased, removing al partitions and stuff [05:10] <thunderzomx> arigat [05:11] <eliphas_> de nada [05:11] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Okay. [05:11] <apokryphos> supernix: a journal, yes; part of KOrganizer [05:11] <deufo> eliphas_, hey, remember me? i ran gnome-panel from xfce but there is no hibernate option in the gnome-panels logout thing [05:11] <eliphas_> ah [05:11] <Seveas> deufo, that's only available in gnome [05:11] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda [05:11] <RootX|Arphetic> w00t i really enjoy this you know... You have new mail in /var/mail/arphetic [05:11] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: After that's finished, the disk will be blanked. [05:11] <Seveas> or in gdm [05:11] <deufo> Seveas, so is there anyway to have hibernate in xfce? [05:12] <Seveas> no [05:12] <fl> paulproteus, ok. I'll disregard it for now. Maybe dig in later. A serial console would sure be nice. Oh why did I have to unearth my Powerbook. [05:12] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, ... S U D O D O E S N T W O R K [05:12] <RootX|Arphetic> :) [05:12] <deufo> Seveas, i dun have suspend in gdm as well [05:12] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Try "sudo id" [05:12] <paulproteus> What do you mean, it doesn't work? [05:12] <paulproteus> !doesntwork [05:12] <ubotu> paulproteus: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [05:12] <Solid> i can't install ubuntu [05:12] <RootX|Arphetic> well lets see [05:12] <Seveas> RootX|Arphetic, drop the caps and be more descriptive. [05:13] <fl> ah, such a nice thing to squelch the bot :-) [05:13] <RootX|Arphetic> Error 27: Unrecognized command [05:13] <Solid> my installation stucs at "configuring atp" "Testing network repositary" at 50% [05:13] <RootX|Arphetic> that good enough? [05:13] <ABRAXAS77> Seveas, config.status: error: cannot find input file: utils/linux/capture/config.h.in [05:13] <iiiears> RootX|Arphetic, - grab a cold drink take a deep breath. [05:13] <fl> is it possible that the mesh driver is not (yet) included in the breezy install kernel? [05:13] <paulproteus> "Error 27"? [05:13] <paulproteus> Are you at a terminal? [05:13] <RootX|Arphetic> iiiears, ill just grab a drink [05:13] <Solid> anyone!!!??? [05:13] <paulproteus> Did you boot the Live CD? [05:13] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, im just in livecd [05:13] <RootX|Arphetic> ;) [05:14] <deufo> Solid, u sure ur network thing is plugged in? [05:14] <Solid> yeah [05:14] <Seveas> ABRAXAS77, make distclean [05:14] <XandriX> can anybody tell me why i orderd my ubuntu install discs last april and i still havent recieved any yet my friend who lives 4 streets from me got his [05:14] <Seveas> or rm config.status [05:14] <RootX|Arphetic> rofl this is like... my first time EVER i use a live CD ;)_ [05:14] <Solid> Im On VMWARE [05:14] <Goek> does anyone how to make a vcd or svcd file from a avi/divx file? [05:14] <deufo> Solid, o rite, sry i dunno about vmware [05:14] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: "in livecd" - has it booted? [05:14] <RootX|Arphetic> yes [05:14] <paulproteus> Are you at a GNOME desktop? [05:14] <RootX|Arphetic> grub> _... [05:15] <iiiears> Solid - are you connected to the 'net when it stops? - it will "time out" and continue [05:15] <ABRAXAS77> Seveas, make distclean give me long error [05:15] <RootX|Arphetic> no [05:15] <RootX|Arphetic> im in shell [05:15] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Then press <enter>. [05:15] <RootX|Arphetic> ? [05:15] <RootX|Arphetic> grub> _ [05:15] <Seveas> ABRAXAS77, remove the extracted sources completely [05:15] <RootX|Arphetic> nothing changed [05:15] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: You're crazy. ;) [05:15] <Seveas> and re-extract the tarball with the sources [05:15] <deufo> RootX|Arphetic, u pressed "e" in grub? [05:15] <paulproteus> Reboot and don't press any key until you see GNOME. [05:15] <paulproteus> That's the "grub command line". "Shell" refers to a program in GNOME. [05:16] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, i cant run gnome [05:16] <XandriX> anyone ? [05:16] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Why not? [05:16] <RootX|Arphetic> its to slow [05:16] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Please, trust me on this. [05:16] <RootX|Arphetic> however there is a terminal functin [05:16] <RootX|Arphetic> ok [05:16] <paulproteus> Just get to GNOME so we can run one command. [05:16] <Seveas> rm -rf / [05:16] <paulproteus> It'll be slow, but you'll run the one command and get out. [05:16] <RootX|Arphetic> im not gonna touch the laptop now [05:16] <thespiritoftal> how can i extract a bzip archive? [05:16] <XandriX> Seveas, evil person you are [05:17] <deufo> anyone anyway to get software suspend in xfce? [05:17] <Seveas> ssssst >:) [05:17] <RootX|Arphetic> err [05:17] <RootX|Arphetic> im back to grub> _ [05:17] <iiiears> !tar [05:17] <ubotu> iiiears: Did you get hit by a windmill? [05:17] <RootX|Arphetic> didnt touch it yet [05:17] <deufo> RootX|Arphetic, did u touch nething? [05:17] <thoreauputic> thespiritoftal: tar xjcf foo.tar.bz2 ? [05:17] <deufo> RootX|Arphetic, maybe a esc or a e? [05:17] <XandriX> anyone know why i orderd my ubuntu install discs last april and i still havent recieved any yet my friend who lives 4 streets from me got his [05:17] <thoreauputic> oops [05:17] <RootX|Arphetic> nope [05:17] <thoreauputic> thespiritoftal: ignore that [05:17] <RootX|Arphetic> in matter of fact, i didnt even touch the laptop at all [05:18] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: You're not booting from the CD.... [05:18] <deufo> RootX|Arphetic, did u use the default installation? [05:18] <paulproteus> You're booting from the hard drive, then. [05:18] <thespiritoftal> thoreauputic: ? [05:18] <thoreauputic> thespiritoftal: tar xvjf foo.tar.bz2 [05:18] <thespiritoftal> thoreauputic: thx [05:18] <XandriX> ok so know one knows [05:18] <thoreauputic> thespiritoftal: assuming it's a tar.bz2 [05:19] <thespiritoftal> yep [05:19] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, I am [05:19] <XandriX> guess ill reorder [05:19] <kemik> XandriX: you filled out the orderform wrong, mixup at the postoffice, or they've just been busy? =) [05:19] <RootX|Arphetic> thats impossible if im booting from hdd [05:19] <XandriX> kemik, ill take the just bin busy lol [05:20] <kemik> ;) [05:20] <RootX|Arphetic> but there is a terminal function [05:20] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, can't we do it through PM maybe? [05:20] <thoreauputic> XandriX: if you previously ordered warty CDs you might have been pushed down the list (I haven't got my hoary CDs either) [05:20] <thespiritoftal> is there any nice web-crawler programme for *nix that you may recommend me? [05:20] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Partition Magic? [05:20] <paulproteus> Sure, just delete 'em all. [05:20] <XandriX> it says they sent them in may the 26 still nothing [05:20] <deufo> RootX|Arphetic, wat happens if u press enter? [05:20] <RootX|Arphetic> i can try that indeed [05:20] <XandriX> thoreauputic, i orderd hoary [05:21] <thoreauputic> XandriX: yes, but have you previously received warty CDs? [05:21] <RootX|Arphetic> nothing deufo [05:21] <XandriX> thoreauputic, i never orderd warty [05:21] <RootX|Arphetic> ill try partition magic [05:21] <yong> anyone knows the command to register a nick in freenode? [05:21] <thoreauputic> XandriX: OK - well that shoots my theory down in flames ;-) [05:22] <XandriX> thoreauputic, lol [05:22] <XandriX> illl just reorder i guess [05:22] <deufo> anyone got xfce to hibernate? [05:22] <RootX|Arphetic> Damn i should learn more about filesystems and stuff [05:22] <Dr_Willis> yong, - /msg nickserv help [05:22] <deufo> RootX|Arphetic, install gentoo, i assure u after u finish with it, u can install ubuntu no problem [05:23] <thoreauputic> yong: /msg nickserv register <nick> <password> ( from memory) - but do what Dr_Willis suggests [05:23] <RootX|Arphetic> deufo, how many cd's is gentoo? [05:23] <deufo> RootX|Arphetic, 1 [05:23] <XandriX> plus i had orderd them for an install fest lol [05:23] <kemik> installing gentoo isnt a walk in the park ;) [05:23] <deufo> RootX|Arphetic, its not even 1 full CD [05:23] <Dr_Willis> gentoo is one 1cd.. but Huge amount of FTP download/installs. :P [05:23] <deufo> RootX|Arphetic, less than half a CD [05:23] <hailvarg> installing gentoo is a headache [05:24] <deufo> installing gentoo is fun [05:24] <redguy> Does'n Gentoo have an installer nowadays? [05:24] <deufo> building a rebuilding the toolkit over and over again [05:24] <hailvarg> takes ages [05:24] <deufo> my last gentoo installation took me 3 days XD [05:24] <RootX|Arphetic> partition magic isnt bootable ffs [05:24] <RootX|Arphetic> rofl [05:24] <thoreauputic> if you like watching paint dry, you'll love gentoo ;) [05:25] <kemik> ;) [05:25] <DeMi> whehe [05:25] <DeMi> nice expression ;) [05:25] <Dr_Willis> the gentoo installer cd - has an irc client on it. so you can go to #gentoo and hang. [05:25] <deufo> thoreauputic, dun u find it amussing when text go flying up ur screen when u compile stuff [05:25] <hailvarg> i fell asleep half way through the installation, when i woke up the pc was off [05:25] <Dr_Willis> of course I rember one Disrto that had a Solitare, and Tetris game in its installer years ago. [05:25] <thoreauputic> deufo: sort of palls after the first few builds ;) [05:25] <MovieTrailerMan> I know this is probably impossible, but is there anyway to recover overwritten files? [05:26] <yong> thanks [05:26] <deufo> thoreauputic, roger that [05:26] <MovieTrailerMan> I had some files for a website, and copied some updated files over them, but it turned out that some of them were older files :( [05:26] <MovieTrailerMan> I lost a week of coding [05:26] <Dr_Willis> Ewww [05:27] <kemik> MovieTrailerMan: overwritten files.. well thats not much to hope for [05:27] <ABRAXAS77> Seveas, thank u a lot,now works [05:28] <MovieTrailerMan> kemik, I know :( [05:28] <MovieTrailerMan> I am trying in vain to understand WHY THE FUCK it copied old files from the directory :( [05:28] <hailvarg> Don't do it again, future problems solved :) [05:28] <MovieTrailerMan> the files in that directory was supposed to be the updated ones [05:28] <paulproteus> MovieTrailerMan: I urge you to use subversion for your files. [05:28] <paulproteus> That way, "svn revert" and "svn diff" can make you happy again. [05:29] <deufo> MovieTrailerMan, u were using rdist? [05:29] <paulproteus> SVN supports "file://" repositories, so you can keep the svn tree on your hard drive and not waste time going to and from the network. [05:30] <jensb> After installing ubuntu, my lcd screen said "signal out of range" - how can I set up the refresh rate using the text terminal? and what is the default root password sudo asks me for? [05:30] <RootX|Arphetic> Isnt windows setup able to remove linux partitions? [05:30] <kemik> jensb: sudo asks for Your password [05:31] <jensb> kemik: strange, I'd swear I tried entering my own... okay. [05:31] <kemik> RootX|Arphetic: i wouldnt get my hopes up... [05:31] <apokryphos> jensb: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [05:31] <Dr_Willis> RootX|Arphetic, not that im aware of. i alwyas manually delete them with some live cd first [05:31] <Goek> grab one of his, and don't complain [05:31] <RootX|Arphetic> kemik, im just going to try [05:31] <RootX|Arphetic> well ill just see [05:31] <Goek> woops [05:31] <Dr_Willis> RootX|Arphetic, their old fdisk program used to be able to i think [05:31] <Goek> wrong channel [05:31] <jensb> apokryphos: thank you. [05:35] <vitriol> anybody know why gnome would just freeze when starting? [05:35] <runedude> is breezy "stable enough" yet? [05:35] <vitriol> it never completely loads [05:35] <vitriol> and this is in hoary [05:35] <reiki> runedude: please see topic [05:35] <apokryphos> runedude: no [05:35] <runedude> aw :( [05:35] <thoreauputic> runedude: /topic ;) [05:35] <runedude> heh [05:35] <runedude> okay :P [05:35] <zukalk> i'm having problems upgrading mozilla-firefox and mozilla-firefox-gnome-support. apt says it can't overwrite some files which are also in firefox and firefox-gnome-support. any suggestions? [05:36] <vitriol> i've used the generic ati driver in xorg and the one from ati [05:36] <vitriol> but either way it freezes faithfully [05:36] <vitriol> xfce isn't freezing [05:36] <thoreauputic> zukalk: you got firefox from backports, right? [05:36] <zukalk> i used to use backports [05:36] <reiki> I now have 2 ubuntu machines. One that I can experiment on... like pulling the wings off of flies.... and the other is my main machine. That one will stay pretty clean and as much "by-the-book" as I can. Otherwise this won't be a fair trial :) [05:36] <zukalk> let me see if firefox is ubp [05:37] <zukalk> thoreauputic, damn, you're right. it's ubp [05:37] <thoreauputic> zukalk: hmm :( [05:37] <RootX|Arphetic> mmm [05:37] <zukalk> thoreauputic, should i force version to hoary? [05:38] <RootX|Arphetic> Dr_Willis, [05:38] <thoreauputic> zukalk: can you purge firefox? [05:38] <zukalk> thoreauputic, how? [05:38] <RootX|Arphetic> You have any idea where i can find such fdisk? [05:38] <thoreauputic> zukalk: sudo apt-get remove --purge firefox [05:39] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: If you can boot that system into any sort of Linux, then I can help. [05:39] <paulproteus> Until then, I can't help. [05:39] <thoreauputic> zukalk: they used the name firefox instead of mozilla-firefox I believe [05:39] <RootX|Arphetic> :/ [05:39] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, is some setup good as well? [05:39] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: What does that mean? [05:39] <din> cfdisk > fdisk [05:40] <zukalk> thoreauputic, still not working [05:40] <RootX|Arphetic> cfdisk can i use that under MS DOS? [05:40] <thoreauputic> zukalk: hrm - there's a work around for this but I can't remember it [05:40] <din> RootX|Arphetic: no, it's a linux app [05:40] <thoreauputic> zukalk: did it return an error when you tried to purge it? [05:41] <zukalk> thoreauputic, same error as with the update tool [05:41] <RootX|Arphetic> Is there any thing i can use with disc? [05:41] <din> zukalk: what are you trying to do? [05:41] <RootX|Arphetic> 1.44 mb [05:41] <RootX|Arphetic> :] [05:41] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Yes. [05:41] <paulproteus> tomsrtbt [05:41] <din> remove it? [05:42] <paulproteus> Get tomsrtbt on that floppy, boot from it, and I can help you. [05:42] <zukalk> din, update mozilla-firefox and mozilla-firefox-gnome-support [05:42] <thoreauputic> zukalk: unfortunately I don't know the way to fix this [05:42] <din> zukalk: do you need to redownload it? [05:42] <thoreauputic> din: he has version conflicts with backports etc [05:42] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, is that a linux app as well? [05:42] <zukalk> din, no [05:42] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Just Google it. :) [05:42] <din> ahh [05:42] <zukalk> din, it's in the cache i think [05:42] <thoreauputic> din: it isn't that simple [05:43] <RootX|Arphetic> Ah tinylinux [05:43] <RootX|Arphetic> why didnt u tell me that ;) [05:43] <RootX|Arphetic> brb [05:44] <thoreauputic> zukalk: this is why I don't use backports... [05:44] <eliphas_> backports are evil [05:44] <dwerf> ello? [05:44] <paulproteus> dwerf: Hi. [05:44] <dwerf> is ubuntu the same as debian? [05:44] <zukalk> that's why i -stopped- using backports [05:45] <din> zukalk: can you not dl the .deb file you need and just use dpkg to install it? [05:45] <RootX|Arphetic> Get the .tar.gz file to install tomsrtbt from GNU/Linux. [05:45] <RootX|Arphetic> Get the .dos.zip file to install from DOS or Windows-9x. [05:45] <RootX|Arphetic> Get the .ElTorito.288.bin.bz2 one to burn a bootable CD. [05:45] <RootX|Arphetic> I guess the most above one will do ? [05:45] <thoreauputic> zukalk: the problem is you have residual stuff from when you used it [05:45] <zukalk> din, i have the .deb file, it's in the apt archives [05:45] <zukalk> thoreauputic, exactly [05:45] <thoreauputic> din: no dpkg will complain [05:45] <din> hmmm [05:45] <paulproteus> dwerf: No. :) [05:46] <dwerf> but it comes from debian? [05:46] <thoreauputic> dwerf: based on debian [05:47] <din> so is this a newer or older version of firefox you are trying to install? [05:47] <dwerf> ok - what is better/easier in ubuntu compared to debian? [05:47] <Seveas> dwerf, desktop setups [05:47] <dwerf> plug n play? [05:47] <Seveas> and recent versions of software [05:47] <claudio_> alguien de Chile? [05:47] <Seveas> oh definitely pnp too [05:47] <Seveas> dwerf: Ubuntu and debian have different goals, a different release schedule and different, but overlapping communities. See also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship [05:48] <reiki> dwerf: I installed on 2 systems so far, neither of them brand new, and I didn't have to mess around. They just worked [05:48] <RootX|Arphetic> b) Be root [05:48] <dwerf> on the ubuntu site it says that every 6 onths there is a newer version of ubuntu [05:48] <RootX|Arphetic> that should be [05:48] <RootX|Arphetic> supo [05:48] <RootX|Arphetic> or so? [05:48] <Seveas> sudo -i [05:48] <dwerf> does this mean i have to reinstall all [05:48] <dwerf> ? [05:48] <RootX|Arphetic> sudo [05:48] <RootX|Arphetic> k t [05:48] <claudio_> sudo -i [05:48] <thoreauputic> dwerf: no [05:48] <Seveas> dwerf, do you want to migrate from debian to ubuntu? [05:48] <dwerf> i might [05:48] <thoreauputic> dwerf: you can update to the newer version [05:48] <dwerf> every is ravin about it [05:48] <Seveas> well, upgrades go the same as in debian [05:49] <Seveas> no need to reinstall ever [05:49] <Seveas> it's just a matter of apt-get dist-upgrade after changing your sources.list :) [05:49] <RootX|Arphetic> done [05:49] <RootX|Arphetic> installing in disc now :) [05:49] <dwerf> i am new to linux and wish a system that is easily accessible but can take me a lot further [05:49] <iiiears> !debian [05:49] <ubotu> rumour has it, debian is The Rock upon which Ubuntu is founded; see http://www.debian.org http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html#contents Thank You Ian and DEBra Murdock! 1994 Vers. 0.9 [05:49] <dwerf> got really sick of windows [05:49] <Seveas> dwerf, then Ubuntu is the one for you [05:50] <thoreauputic> dwerf: ubuntu is a good choice [05:50] <Seveas> it's easy to setup, but you can do anything you want [05:50] <dwerf> seveas|thoreauput > why is it good? [05:50] <iiiears> !debian is also Debian and Ubuntu http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 [05:50] <ubotu> okay, iiiears [05:50] <Kyral> Anyone know what kernel module needs to be enabled for Orinco/Proxim wireless devices? [05:50] <Concord_Dawn> because it's easy to setup./ [05:50] <RootX|Arphetic> erm [05:50] <hopeng> one thing that makes me gotta back to windows is photoshop :( . really2 cant use gimp [05:50] <Seveas> dwerf, I for one like the combination of frequent releases, good usabiliyy and good security support [05:51] <RootX|Arphetic> Thank You Ian and DEBra Murdock! -> Thank You DEBra and Ian Murdock! [05:51] <RootX|Arphetic> ;) [05:51] <RootX|Arphetic> IANDEB sux :X [05:51] <Seveas> iiiears, that's crap [05:51] <dwerf> hopeng > true, i'm afraid i will not soon be able to switch to linux completely [05:51] <iiiears> Seveas - lol - succinct and right. - change it. [05:51] <Seveas> ubotu, no debian is The Rock upon which Ubuntu is founded; see http://www.debian.org http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html#contents Thank You Ian and DEBra Murdock! 1994 Vers. 0.9 [05:51] <ubotu> Seveas: okay [05:51] <hopeng> dwerf, indeed its sad that i cannot switch to ubuntu completely too [05:52] <Chousuke> dwerf: or until wine becomes able to run photoshop ;) [05:52] <dwerf> hopeng > but when 1/3 of computer users are on linux - adobe (and all others) will have to make a move [05:52] <zukalk> !debian [05:52] <ubotu> Debian is "the rock upon which Ubuntu is founded"; see http://www.debian.org Thank You Ian and DEBra Murdock! 1994 Vers. 0.9. Debian and Ubuntu http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 [05:52] <Seveas> ubotu no, sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/ [05:52] <ubotu> okay, Seveas [05:52] <Chousuke> dwerf: actually not even one third is needed. [05:52] <apokryphos> heh, there's three people editing at the same time [05:52] <Seveas> ubotu no, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper or http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ubuntu [05:52] <ubotu> Seveas: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about [05:52] <apokryphos> Seveas: why exactly is that crap [05:52] <hopeng> photosop 7 already ran on my ubuntu using crossoffice. but lots of broken tools. like pencil / brush tools, i can't drag em.. [05:52] <Seveas> iiiears, please stop screing up ubotu entries [05:53] <Seveas> apokryphos, irrelevant addition to that ubotu entry [05:53] <reiki> dwerf: whether or not you can switch completely will depend upon how tightly you are married to Windows and windows applications. There is a linux program to replace almost all windows programs. You just have to look around. There WILL however be some times that I will need to boot to XP... my A/ [05:53] <dwerf> people, can i simply use my existing debian install and "morph" it to ubuntu - or was that a really silly beginner's question? [05:53] <RootX|Arphetic> fuck [05:53] <Seveas> ubotu, no at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29 [05:53] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, Seveas [05:53] <RootX|Arphetic> err [05:53] <apokryphos> Seveas: err, why? It describes the relationship between ubuntu and debian [05:53] <Seveas> dwerf, you can [05:53] <RootX|Arphetic> ./hop doesnt work in X-Chat? :/ [05:53] <reiki> V system universal remote has to be programmed on the internet and the client software is windows... *shrug* [05:53] <Chousuke> dwerf: You probably could, but it'll be a mess. [05:53] <Seveas> apokryphos, he added a sound related entry to it [05:53] <iiiears> lol - Seveas - unrelated? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 [05:53] <apokryphos> heh [05:53] <reiki> wow... did I screw that up? [05:53] <RootX|Arphetic> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl [05:53] <apokryphos> indeed [05:53] <reiki> dwerf: whether or not you can switch completely will depend upon how tightly you are married to Windows and windows applications. There is a linux program to replace almost all windows programs. You just have to look around. There WILL however be some times that I will need to boot to XP... my A/ [05:53] <apokryphos> I'll fix it [05:54] <reiki> V system universal remote has to be programmed on the internet and the client software is windows... *shrug* [05:54] <reiki> close [05:54] <hopeng> gaim is realasing 1.5, how to get it with apt-get ? [05:54] <Seveas> iiiears, that is totally unrelated to the debian entry.... [05:54] <tommi^> Hi. Dumb question: what happens when upgrading to next release, the 5.10 when it's ready of course? Do I have to install my system or can I just change apt source and dist-upgrade? What happens to configuration files that I have modified, do they get overwritten or do stay in old and perhaps useless version? [05:54] <reiki> gee... I was actually making sense until my typing error derailed the train of thought [05:54] <nbcmayhe1> anyone here who can help me getting ubuntu running on a G5 ? [05:54] <RootX|Arphetic> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1334 [05:54] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, [05:55] <dwerf> nbcmayhe1 > no, but good luck [05:55] <RootX|Arphetic> ill try on windows system [05:55] <iiiears> Seveas hehe - you complained about one entry and gutted three. - sheesh. [05:55] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Okay. Your disk is bad. [05:55] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Wait a sec. [05:55] <RootX|Arphetic> rofl [05:55] <thoreauputic> tommi^: apt /dpkg will prompt you if there are decisions to make about configuration [05:55] <iiiears> !ndis [05:56] <ubotu> hmm... ndis is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper, or http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ubuntu [05:56] <Seveas> iiiears, these contained misplaced commas, due to the 'ubotu, foo is also' command [05:56] <paulproteus> Are you getting this shell prompt on the machine whose hard drive you want to wipe? [05:56] <thoreauputic> tommi^: and yes, you can dist-upgrade [05:56] <RootX|Arphetic> ill try my linux boot disk then [05:56] <iiiears> Seveas - Ah - good to know. Thanks [05:56] <apokryphos> ubotu: no ndis is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper or http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ubuntu [05:56] <Seveas> iiiears, in such cases (where these commas srew up urls) better, use 'ubotu no foo is' to correct/update an entry [05:56] <ubotu> okay, apokryphos [05:56] <tommi^> thoreauputic, so it'll be a smooth shift? :) [05:57] <thoreauputic> tommi^: should be :) I'm not a prophet you know ;-) [05:58] <zukalk> Breezy's comming out in october, right? [05:58] <iiiears> Seveas - won't that truncate the original and require entering the entire string again? [05:58] <apokryphos> zukalk: correct [05:58] <zukalk> hmm.. time flies [05:58] <Seveas> iiiears, you shoul indeed include the original reply [05:59] <tommi^> thoreauputic, hah.. yet, I'm bit 'afraid' of a configuration hell and newer versions not working like they should. But I guess we'll see that later. [05:59] <iiiears> Sounds good. - ubotu's brain/database should be solid. - rebuilding him later will be difficult/painful. [05:59] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, nevermind i got a working disc now [05:59] <thoreauputic> tommi^: well, many people dist-upgraded from warty to hoary without issues [05:59] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Okay. [05:59] <paulproteus> Tell me when you boot that on the target system. [06:00] <XandriX> o thats grand form what the post office says thy probably got lost how in gods name do you lose 50 cds [06:00] <RootX|Arphetic> About to dd floppy image [06:00] <paulproteus> "target" meaning "one with the hard drives you want to blank" [06:00] <thoreauputic> XandriX: theft most probably [06:00] <XandriX> seriously how can you ose 50 cd's magicaly and now well to late for the install fest :( [06:00] <Kyral> I wish someone would make a script that detected what kernel config you needed and then made a kernel for that... [06:01] <budluva> Kyral, thats the fun of compiling your own kernel :P [06:01] <XandriX> thoreauputic, it pisses me off so ok i reoerderd them but i probably wont recievent them either [06:01] <Kyral> But its a PAIN [06:01] <Kyral> I couldn't find the driver for my Orinco Wireless Card [06:01] <Kyral> it works in 2.6.10 that Hoary installed, but not in the 2.6.12 that Breezy installed [06:02] <budluva> so having a script automate your kernel compiling is going to fix that? [06:02] <RootX|Arphetic> 3444+0 records in [06:02] <RootX|Arphetic> 3444+0 records out [06:02] <RootX|Arphetic> 1763328 bytes transferred in 200.285313 seconds (8804 bytes/sec) [06:02] <RootX|Arphetic> About to verify floppy image [06:02] <Kyral> no, but I just wish I knew the damn option :P [06:02] <thoreauputic> XandriX: yeah, it's annoying: but we can't really complain about free CDs I guess [06:02] <XandriX> thoreauputic, id pay them to express ship em [06:02] <Grid_block> hey everyone :D [06:02] <XandriX> with a tracking number [06:03] <Kyral> The way I see it, I want to be able to compile a crapload of modules, then have a program detect which ones to load at boot [06:03] <thoreauputic> XandriX: this has been discussed on the mailing list quite a bit [06:03] <paulproteus> thoreauputic: Interesting. URL? [06:03] <Kyral> oh wait....isn't that hotplug or HAL? [06:03] <XandriX> thoreauputic, i can imagine [06:03] <Chousuke> ok. wtf. [06:03] <tommi^> thoreauputic, that's good to know. I only wish that instead or better yet, as an addition to good ubuntuforums there'd be real documentation instead a collection of hacks. The hacks usually do work they aren't the right way to the stuff. I shouldn't be doing ln -commands to /usr/lib and so on. And yes, I will do some my self on ubuntu this fall if possible. [06:03] <RootX|Arphetic> ok paulproteus booting now... [06:03] <Concord_Dawn> Can someone help me with installing Mixxx? [06:03] <Kyral> but I need lunch :D [06:03] <Chousuke> I can't connect to my server on the LAN [06:03] <Chousuke> it says "host is down" [06:03] <thoreauputic> paulproteus: heh I'd have to search the archive like you :) [06:03] <XandriX> thoreauputic, if its theft id be way pissed [06:03] <RootX|Arphetic> err [06:04] <RootX|Arphetic> i dont get it lol ?? [06:04] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Okay. Once you're in the root shell provided by tomsrtbt, tell me. [06:04] <Chousuke> the weird thing is, that machine is between me and internet. [06:04] <Grid_block> iam makeing an antenna for my Wifi connection soon :D [06:04] <Chousuke> And here I am still ircing :P [06:04] <RootX|Arphetic> well its loading bz2bzImage or so?? is that good? [06:04] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Yes. [06:04] <paulproteus> Wait more. [06:05] <thoreauputic> tommi^: I'm not sure why you are saying this to me... I'm a user not an Ubuntu dev or Canonical employee [06:05] <RootX|Arphetic> Press <return> to see video modes available, <Spacve to continue or wait 30 secs [06:05] <RootX|Arphetic> return or space? [06:05] <RootX|Arphetic> to late [06:05] <tommi^> thoreauputic, just talking out loud :) [06:05] <paulproteus> Whatever, return. [06:05] <RootX|Arphetic> lol [06:05] <RootX|Arphetic> oh no [06:05] <tommi^> thoreauputic, but thanks for your comments on upgrading [06:05] <thoreauputic> tommi^: OK :) [06:05] <terminal|giga> w00t [06:05] <RootX|Arphetic> oh wouw [06:05] <RootX|Arphetic> it booted [06:05] <thoreauputic> tommi^: you're welcome [06:06] <terminal|giga> ubuntu documentation is pretty good [06:06] <RootX|Arphetic> wtf [06:06] <RootX|Arphetic> aaaiiiiiiiiiiioooooooooooboiiiiiiiii ??? [06:06] <RootX|Arphetic> wtf [06:06] <RootX|Arphetic> now some 00000000000boi [06:06] <RootX|Arphetic> or so [06:06] <RootX|Arphetic> rofl [06:06] <Grid_block> i got a program named Xmms thats hanged up.. how do i force it to quit?? [06:06] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: It's just tom having some fun. :) [06:06] <RootX|Arphetic> tty1 tomsrtbt login: [06:07] <paulproteus> login as root [06:07] <RootX|Arphetic> yes [06:07] <RootX|Arphetic> ...Login as root. Remove the floppy. Altf1-AltF4 for consoles. [06:07] <RootX|Arphetic> tty1 tomsrtbt login: [06:07] <RootX|Arphetic> this is what i see [06:07] <concept10> Ive installed the linux-image 2.11.1 -686 but it doesnt show up on grub, whats going on, do I have to add this? [06:08] <RootX|Arphetic> and a whole list of functions ;) [06:08] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Log in as root! [06:08] <RootX|Arphetic> yes... [06:08] <RootX|Arphetic> Today is prickle prickle [06:08] <Seveas> concept10, the .11 packages in hoary are broken and not meant to be used [06:08] <RootX|Arphetic> rofl [06:08] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Is the drive you want erased /dev/hda ? [06:09] <RootX|Arphetic> yes [06:09] <RootX|Arphetic> i dont have any other so ;) [06:09] <paulproteus> Okay, well you can just run fdisk. [06:09] <paulproteus> fdisk /dev/hda [06:09] <paulproteus> And there's an option for making a new partition table. [06:09] <tommi^> terminal|giga, I somewhat disagree. At least finding it is hard.Support -> documentation leads to a page with documentation search form. If I'm not sure what I'm looking for or don't know it's name, I want browse documentation. On the right is documentation links leading to tldp, debian doc and to the unofficial e starter guide. More links on the right: Glossary, security notices and faqs. Where's the documentation? [06:09] <paulproteus> n or something/ [06:09] <paulproteus> That's the precise way. [06:09] <ryanomalley_> how do you execute .x86 files? [06:10] <ryanomalley_> I am trying to update pbweb manually and I have a pbweb.x86 [06:10] <RootX|Arphetic> errr [06:10] <ryanomalley_> how do I execute that file [06:10] <RootX|Arphetic> The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 4864. [06:10] <concept10> Seveas, what is the latest kernel packaged for hoary [06:10] <RootX|Arphetic> There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024, [06:10] <hopeng> i saw nice interface for editing boot loader (OS Selector) in the next release of ubuntu. is it possible to use it in hoary ? gimme apt-get name of that thing [06:10] <RootX|Arphetic> and could in certain setups cause problems with: [06:10] <Seveas> concept10, 2.6.10-5 [06:10] <ryanomalley_> so does anyone know how to execute pbweb.x86 [06:10] <thoreauputic> ryanomalley_: *nix doesn't care about file extensions [06:11] <RootX|Arphetic> 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO) [06:11] <juk> hi [06:11] <RootX|Arphetic> 2) booting and partitioning softawer from other OSs [06:11] <juk> is anyone able to help me with rsync? [06:11] <thoreauputic> ryanomalley_: are you sure it is an executable file? [06:11] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Whatever. [06:11] <ryanomalley_> well hold on [06:11] <RootX|Arphetic> (e.g., DOS FDISK, )S/2 FDISK) [06:11] <ryanomalley_> thoreauputic: http://www.evenbalance.com/index.php?page=updatepb.php [06:12] <RootX|Arphetic> n = add a new partition [06:12] <juk> is anyone able to help me with rsync between ubuntu and windows? [06:12] <RootX|Arphetic> No free sectors available [06:12] <thoreauputic> ryanomalley_: ru this command : file pbweb.x86 [06:12] <thoreauputic> *run [06:12] <catfox> hi all. can anyone recommend some docs for writing applets in python? i found some, but they're using bonobo, which i thought was depreciated [06:12] <juk> is anyone able to help me with rsync between ubuntu and windows? [06:12] <RootX|Arphetic> I just deleted all or so? [06:12] <catfox> something beginner friendly, since i've never done gui programming before [06:13] <ryanomalley_> ryanomalley@baboonsauce:~/.etwolf/pb$ file pbweb.x86 [06:13] <ryanomalley_> pbweb.x86: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped [06:13] <RootX|Arphetic> extended or primary ? [06:13] <RootX|Arphetic> wtf [06:13] <juk> can anyone see what im writing? [06:13] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, can i msg you? [06:13] <Chousuke> juk: no :P [06:13] <juk> :( [06:14] <thoreauputic> ryanomalley_: what's the output of the command I gave you? [06:14] <Chousuke> Hm, that joke is too old :P [06:14] <ryanomalley_> ryanomalley@baboonsauce:~/.etwolf/pb$ file pbweb.x86 [06:14] <ryanomalley_> what do you mean output? [06:14] <juk> chousuke: do you know much about rsync? [06:14] <thoreauputic> ryanomalley_: sorry missed it [06:14] <ryanomalley_> oh no prob :D [06:14] <Chousuke> juk: no [06:14] <juk> does anyone here?? [06:14] <Chousuke> but maybe someone else would [06:14] <Chousuke> ask [06:15] <juk> is anyone able to help me with rsync between ubuntu and windows? [06:15] <iiiears> CNN, ABC and NY Times computers attacked by an exploit because they were left unpatched [06:15] <thoreauputic> ryanomalley_: OK it's an executable so type ./pbweb.x86 [06:15] <iiiears> http://isc.sans.org/diary.php [06:15] <{Seb}> juk: try samba or ifolder [06:15] <{Seb}> juk: www.ifolder.com [06:15] <thoreauputic> ryanomalley_: note the dot/slash [06:15] <juk> seb: i already have the whole thing set up [06:15] <juk> seb: its just it keeps prompting for a password with is no good for automation [06:16] <ryanomalley_> ryanomalley@baboonsauce:~/.etwolf/pb$ su /.pbweb.x86 [06:16] <ryanomalley_> Unknown id: /.pbweb.x86 [06:16] <ryanomalley_> oops [06:16] <juk> seb: it was working fine before i reformatted the windows pc... [06:16] <thoreauputic> ryanomalley_: extra space you inserted [06:16] <thoreauputic> ryanomalley_: no spaces [06:16] <Seveas> forget foobar [06:16] <h08817> hello all i need some help with partitioning [06:16] <juk> can no one help? [06:16] <thoreauputic> and dot before slash [06:16] <h08817> hoary edition 5.04 [06:17] <RootX|Arphetic> TY paulproteus [06:17] <ryanomalley_> ryanomalley@baboonsauce:~/.etwolf/pb$ su ./pbweb.x86 [06:17] <ryanomalley_> Unknown id: ./pbweb.x86 [06:17] <paulproteus> Glad to have helped, RootX|Arphetic. [06:17] <RootX|Arphetic> :) [06:17] <h08817> ? [06:17] <juk> how can i stop rsync on the ubuntu machine from asking for a password? [06:17] <juk> or how can i make the windows machine automatically pass it? [06:17] <h08817> partition help please [06:17] <thoreauputic> ryanomalley_: the file is in that directory right? [06:18] <ryanomalley_> yup [06:18] <zerboxx> How can I see how much space each of my partitions is taking up (and how much they have in total)? [06:18] <blastradius> what kind of partition helP [06:18] <paulproteus> h08817: You'll have to say what you mean. [06:18] <ryanomalley_> for sure [06:18] <thoreauputic> ryanomalley_: ls -l pbweb.x86 [06:18] <h08817> i have a 40GB blank hd and a 1.18GB hd with 98 [06:18] <thoreauputic> ryanomalley_: what does that say? [06:18] <h08817> blastradius: well i want to have linux on one hd and 98 on the other dual boot [06:19] <ryanomalley_> ryanomalley@baboonsauce:~/.etwolf/pb$ ls -l pbweb.x86 [06:19] <ryanomalley_> -rw-r--r-- 1 ryanomalley ryanomalley 152836 2005-08-07 10:14 pbweb.x86 [06:19] <thoreauputic> ryanomalley_: please type my nick or I'll miss yor posts [06:19] <ryanomalley_> okay sorry [06:19] <thoreauputic> ryanomalley_: OK do this [06:19] <h08817> paulproteus: dual boot 98 and linux [06:19] <h08817> paulproteus: 2 different hds [06:19] <thoreauputic> ryanomalley_: chmod +x pbweb.x86 [06:19] <paulproteus> h08817: Just install Windows, then Ubuntu, and Ubuntu will let you resize the Windows partition on install. [06:19] <Chousuke> h08817: install win98 first, then Linux [06:20] <ryanomalley_> thoreauputic: okay [06:20] <zerboxx> What is the terminal command to see how much space each of my partitions are taking up (and how much they have in total)? [06:20] <h08817> windows is already installed on hdb [06:20] <RootX|Arphetic> !update [06:20] <thoreauputic> ryanomalley_: then do ./pbweb.x86 again [06:20] <ubotu> RootX|Arphetic: I don't know [06:20] <duckie> a quick question guy... how would I setup a USB sound card on my OS, at the moment it sees my built in SCard, it also sees the SouundBlaster, but when I select the Blaster, I cannot play back audio.. any thoughts guys.. [06:20] <h08817> and i want linux on hda [06:20] <RootX|Arphetic> err? [06:20] <Chousuke> zerboxx: df -h [06:20] <RootX|Arphetic> what was that !update thing again? [06:20] <ryanomalley_> woo!!!! [06:20] <h08817> which one do i make the bootable flag? [06:20] <ryanomalley_> thoreauputic: its working [06:20] <RootX|Arphetic> !upgrade [06:20] <ubotu> upgrade is, like, totally, "One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" [06:20] <Chousuke> h08817: grub doesn't care :p [06:20] <thoreauputic> ryanomalley_: I'm *soooo* surprised ;-) [06:20] <zerboxx> Chousuke: Perfect, thanks! [06:20] <juk> so i guess no one is able to help [06:21] <h08817> well i tried it before and i couldn't get linux to read my 98 [06:21] <RootX|Arphetic> ty ubotu [06:21] <thoreauputic> ryanomalley_: cool bananas '-) [06:21] <h08817> grub saw it but wouldn't boot to it [06:21] <ryanomalley_> =) [06:21] <ryanomalley_> thanks a lot [06:21] <h08817> it just gave me a prompt [06:21] <thoreauputic> ryanomalley_: you're welcome [06:21] <h08817> and i have no clue what to type at a prompt [06:21] <Chousuke> h08817: It should give you a menu :/ [06:21] <h08817> it did [06:22] <h08817> then i chose 98 [06:22] <h08817> and it gave me a grub prompt [06:22] <h08817> like i had to tell it what hd to read [06:22] <duckie> a quick question guy... how would I setup a USB sound card on my OS, at the moment it sees my built in SCard, it also sees the SouundBlaster, but when I select the Blaster, I cannot play back audio.. any thoughts guys.. [06:23] <echylo_> how do you start mplayer from commandline with a srt subtitle file? and delay? [06:23] <h08817> Chousuke: so how do i get into 98 [06:23] <h08817> once linux is installed on the master since my 98 is the slave [06:23] <Chousuke> h08817: Dunno. I suppose GRUB has given it a name. [06:23] <Chousuke> type "help" [06:23] <h08817> how do i figure out what it is [06:24] <Chousuke> at the boot. [06:24] <Chousuke> and then try something like "list" [06:24] <h08817> yeah it gives a crap load of commands [06:24] <bgerson> Is there a protocol for asking questions in this channel? [06:24] <Chousuke> and boot <name> [06:24] <ryanomalley_> thereauputic: Resolving www.evenbalance.com [06:24] <ryanomalley_> Resolved to 69.44.156.109 [06:24] <ryanomalley_> Checking for PB Client updates [06:24] <ryanomalley_> Game: et [06:24] <ryanomalley_> Attempting to download pbsec.htm (please wait) [06:24] <ryanomalley_> Received File pbsec.htm (1419 bytes) [06:24] <ryanomalley_> Attempting to download htm/la001360.htm (please wait) [06:24] <Concord_Dawn> h08817, you have two seperate harddrives, yes? [06:24] <ryanomalley_> Received File la001360.htm (51699 bytes) [06:24] <ryanomalley_> ERROR: Htm-to-Binary Conversion Failed ... htm/la001360.htm Removed [06:24] <ryanomalley_> Attempting to download htm/lc001202.htm (please wait) [06:24] <h08817> Concord_Dawn: yes [06:24] <ryanomalley_> Received File lc001202.htm (656316 bytes) [06:24] <ryanomalley_> ERROR: Htm-to-Binary Conversion Failed ... htm/lc001202.htm Removed [06:24] <ryanomalley_> sorry for that [06:24] <Concord_Dawn> omg [06:24] <Chousuke> ryanomalley_: next timne, use pastebin [06:24] <Concord_Dawn> PASTEBIN [06:24] <ryanomalley_> haha yeah sorry [06:25] <Concord_Dawn> h08817, open a terminal, do fdisk -l, and paste the output in the pastebin. [06:25] <SimonVallore> Hello [06:25] <h08817> Concord_Dawn: what is that going to do? [06:25] <h08817> Concord_Dawn: also i removed linux b/c of that problem so i guess i'll reinstall [06:25] <Concord_Dawn> tell me what's on your disk. [06:25] <Concord_Dawn> oh, you're not on Linux? [06:25] <h08817> Concord_Dawn: no not atm [06:26] <Concord_Dawn> ah. [06:26] <Concord_Dawn> then reinstall it, then do it. [06:26] <h08817> Concord_Dawn: well once that is done which will be in an hour then what can i do? [06:26] <RootX|Arphetic> Mmmm [06:26] <Seveas> !is [06:26] <ubotu> Seveas: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about [06:26] <h08817> Concord_Dawn: is there anything i should know specifically about partitioning? [06:26] <Seveas> !are ok [06:26] <ubotu> Seveas: Bugger all, i dunno [06:26] <Concord_Dawn> boot into Linux, open XChat, and come back. [06:26] <Concord_Dawn> yes, it's risky. [06:26] <RootX|Arphetic> Fluxbox = compatible with ubuntu ?? (or ubuntu is compatible with fluxbox) ?? [06:26] <h08817> Concord_Dawn: can't use xchat [06:26] <h08817> Concord_Dawn: i won't put that computer online [06:27] <h08817> Concord_Dawn: its just gonna be an offline comp [06:27] <Concord_Dawn> you got another computer that you can use to talk to us then? [06:27] <bgerson> I'm completely new to Linux. Tried using ubuntu Live CD on a laptop. Will not recognize USB drive. Can't see anything to modify. [06:27] <SimonVallore> SOmeone had me install the wrong drivers for my via tech chipset they had me put ati on how do i un this problemdo [06:27] <DekaPink> What do I have to have to play m4a files? :3 [06:27] <Seveas> !m4a [06:27] <Concord_Dawn> bgerson, LiveCD can't do very much, it's much better to install Ubuntu completely. [06:27] <ubotu> Seveas: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [06:27] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, you got experience with FDisk + windows installations as well?? :X [06:28] <Seveas> !restricted [06:28] <ubotu> methinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [06:28] <Seveas> ^-- DekaPink [06:28] <RootX|Arphetic> !liveCD [06:28] <ubotu> RootX|Arphetic: Do they come in packets of five? [06:28] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Nope. [06:28] <RootX|Arphetic> oh ok [06:28] <Goek> hey. i've downloaded a dvd in vob, ifo, and bup files - but how do i burn it to a dvd+rom? [06:28] <Concord_Dawn> ~dvd [06:28] <DekaPink> Eh? :3 [06:28] <Concord_Dawn> !dvd [06:28] <ubotu> dvd is probably There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good. gstreamer-totem [06:28] <bgerson> TU, Concord_Dawn but the installation requires that I boot with the CD version as the drive will be wiped when the installer on the USB drive executes. [06:28] <RootX|Arphetic> lets install enemy territory 4 linux [06:29] <SimonVallore> SOmeone had me install the wrong drivers for my via tech chipset they had me put ati on how do i undo this problem [06:29] <Concord_Dawn> bgerson, I don't understand..... [06:29] <Sonderblade> is there a way via synaptic to install zope without installing python 2.2 or 2.3? [06:29] <Concord_Dawn> no Sonderblade [06:29] <Concord_Dawn> if it's a dependancy, you need to install it. [06:29] <paulproteus> Sonderblade: Try looking zope2.7 or zope3 other such packages with version numbers stuck to the end. [06:29] <SimonVallore> SOmeone had me install the wrong drivers for my via tech chipset they had me put ati on how do i undo this problem [06:29] <paulproteus> Sonderblade: It could be that "zope" is an old version. [06:29] <bgerson> Instructions are to boot with Live CD. When the Desktop appears, plug in the USB drive and run the installer. It will format the drive and install. [06:29] <Goek> erhm, did any1 help me? [06:30] <h08817> also i remember b4 linux wouldn't recognize my mouse [06:30] <Concord_Dawn> bgerson, umm.........might I ask why you can't just use the Ubuntu Install CD? [06:30] <Goek> cos i kinda didn't get anything [06:30] <h08817> i have a microsoft serial mouse [06:30] <Sonderblade> paulproteus, the latest zope seem to be the zope2.7 deb and it requires python 2.3 :/ [06:30] <bgerson> I'm trying to do this on a laptop but it seems as if this is going to be better served on a desktop. [06:30] <Goek> can i just burn the files using k3b? [06:30] <h08817> with the ball [06:30] <SimonVallore> SOmeone had me install the wrong drivers for my via tech chipset they had me put ati on how do i undo this problem [06:30] <bgerson> Do you mean using the Install CD to install on the internal hard drive? [06:30] <SimonVallore> SOmeone had me install the wrong drivers for my via tech chipset they had me put ati on how do i undo this problem [06:31] <Goek> please help me out [06:31] <h08817> Goek: what is the problem explain it more and u might get help [06:31] <Concord_Dawn> yes bgerson [06:32] <bgerson> Ah, but the installer from the USB drive needs to format the hard drive. I imagine that's going to mess up the ubuntu installation. ;-) [06:32] <jupiterste> If I have a list of names (say in a text file) and I want to create a folder for each name, is there an easy way to do it in linux? [06:32] <jupiterste> rather than mkdir manually, having to retype the names? [06:32] <RootX|Arphetic> !lifecd [06:32] <ubotu> RootX|Arphetic: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [06:32] <Concord_Dawn> yes jupiterste [06:32] <RootX|Arphetic> !livecd [06:32] <ubotu> RootX|Arphetic: Are you on ritalin? [06:33] <RootX|Arphetic> !livecd [06:33] <Concord_Dawn> make a shell script that does mkdir <name> [06:33] <RootX|Arphetic> rofl [06:33] <Concord_Dawn> and then just cycle down the list. [06:33] <RootX|Arphetic> !shipit [06:33] <ubotu> RootX|Arphetic: I give up, what is it? [06:33] <RootX|Arphetic> :/ [06:33] <apokryphos> jupiterste: easiest way: use xargs [06:33] <Goek> well i've downloaded the files, and i've got em all iin a folder, and there calld .ifo and .vob and such things - do i just burn them right over like a data-dvd with k3b? [06:33] <jupiterste> xargs? [06:33] <michele> jupiterste, you might use a combination of cat, xargs and mkdir and maybe some cut if there's something else but the names in the file [06:34] <Goek> that has got to be enough information [06:35] <SimonVallore> SOmeone had me install the wrong drivers for my via tech chipset they had me put ati on how do i undo this problem uninstall them [06:35] <h08817> Goek: what do u want to burn them for? [06:35] <thenuke> is there chipset-drivers in linux what users can install.. [06:36] <Goek> i wanna play them in my dvd player [06:36] <SimonVallore> yeah there is i had some guy tell me to install the wrong ones [06:36] <h08817> Goek: can u run those files? [06:36] <h08817> do they work? [06:37] <rick_> testing... [06:37] <h08817> Goek: is it a movie u downloaded? [06:37] <nightswim> failed! [06:37] <Goek> yeah [06:37] <apokryphos> jupiterste: yes, xargs. Did you check the man page? [06:37] <Goek> it's a series [06:37] <apokryphos> jupiterste: for example, what you wanna do is cat<file>.txt | xargs mkdir [06:37] <h08817> if so, u need all the files u downloaded and put on a dvd [06:38] <h08817> one movie per cd is recommended [06:38] <Goek> i haven't had no problems i just wanna know how to do it? [06:38] <h08817> *dvd [06:38] <apokryphos> jupiterste: cat <file>.txt | xargs mkdir [06:38] <h08817> open the burner software and add the files [06:38] <Goek> justr like that? [06:38] <h08817> why does it have to be so hard? [06:38] <h08817> as long as u have a dvd and a dvd burner [06:38] <thespiritoftal> anyone knows of any web crawler for linux?= [06:39] <stu> hi, you know in ubuntu when you click places - connect to server and connect to a samba share, it adds the shortcut to the desktop [06:39] <rick_> X 1024? [06:39] <stu> when I navigate to the desktop from a file browser, I cant see that link [06:39] <stu> does it mount it into the file system somewhere? [06:39] <rick_> Can someone help me witch changing my resolution to 1280X1024? [06:39] <apokryphos> !resolution [06:39] <rick_> im a noob... [06:39] <ubotu> I heard resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto [06:40] <njq6898> [06:40] <rick_> hm, oke, i'll check it. [06:40] <SimonVallore> [06:40] <stu> anyone? [06:40] <SimonVallore> [06:40] <stu> !smbfs [06:40] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, stu [06:40] <SimonVallore> SOmeone had me install the wrong drivers for my via tech chipset they had me put ati on how do i undo this problem uninstall them [06:40] <stu> !samba [06:40] <ubotu> I heard samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba, or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently [06:41] <jupiterste> rick: xorg.conf [06:41] <apokryphos> no samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently [06:41] <apokryphos> ubotu: no samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently [06:41] <ubotu> okay, apokryphos [06:43] <michele> stu, no, it's being accessed via gnome-vfs [06:43] <michele> stu, it's a virtual file system [06:43] <SimonVallore> SOmeone had me install the wrong drivers for my via tech chipset they had me put ati on how do i undo this problem uninstall them [06:43] <bgerson> Concord_Dawn, no way to resolve this, huh? [06:44] <h08817> ok someone listen up simonvallore here has been asking the same question for 20min [06:44] <paxmaster> hello there, How would I control my computer to listen to one dns [06:45] <paxmaster> we have 3 or four dns server but i want to listen to the internel dns server [06:45] <michele> paxmaster, system -> administration -> networking [06:46] <paxmaster> yeah i did that but when i reboot my computer it changes [06:47] <kemik> paxmaster: are you using dhcp ? [06:47] <stu> I get this when trying to mount a windows share, I am mounting as smbfs mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //server/data, [06:47] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, it didnt work [06:47] <paxmaster> yeah think so [06:48] <paxmaster> we have a window server and apple server [06:48] <paxmaster> and i want to use the apple dns server not the window [06:48] <bretzel> Hi all ( I am back to Ubuntu :-) I have to tell somethings [06:49] <stu> and this in dmesg: smbfs: mount_data version 1684370019 is not supported [06:49] <dv> hi [06:49] <RootX|Arphetic> erm [06:49] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Hmm? [06:49] <dv__> I just installed ubuntu [06:49] <RootX|Arphetic> isnt it possible to COMPLETElY errase the hdd? [06:49] <dv__> works great [06:49] <Goodspeed> how do i set an ip address for each of the ocmputers on my network? [06:49] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Yes, it is. [06:49] <Goodspeed> so it doesnt change? [06:49] <paulproteus> Go back to tomsrtbt, and do: [06:49] <dv__> but I have a small problem with smb shares [06:49] <Goodspeed> i have a linsys wireless router [06:49] <paulproteus> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda [06:49] <paulproteus> And wait a while. [06:49] <RootX|Arphetic> ok [06:49] <paulproteus> When it finishes, the hard drive will be blanked. [06:49] <dv__> I have a samba server running, and want to mount it. works great with the gnome network browser [06:50] <michele> that'd crash before it's finished [06:50] <RootX|Arphetic> and then just use fdisk from windows stuff? [06:50] <stu> make sure hda is what u want to crash tho [06:50] <dv__> but the browser doesnt really mount it, it just browses it. [06:50] <stu> dv__, , Im having the same issue [06:50] <paxmaster> i think it has to do some think with the /etc/network/interfaces [06:50] <dv__> but, writing an entry in the fstab didn't work, because ubuntu cannot mount it [06:50] <h08817> where is package manager listed under? [06:50] <stu> dv__, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently [06:50] <bretzel> I have runned Fedora Core 4; SuSE 9.3 PRO. - Those distros I know are the best "commercial ( not fc4 tho) " distro and finaly Debian/Ubuntu Rules the world -- at lest MY world :-) [06:50] <dv__> it doesn't support the smbfs [06:50] <RootX|Arphetic> Fedora is shit [06:50] <stu> dv__, are you getting bad superblock ? [06:50] <h08817> system-->preferences synaptic package manager? [06:50] <michele> RootX|Arphetic, it isn't [06:50] <RootX|Arphetic> imho though ;) [06:51] <RootX|Arphetic> well [06:51] <dv__> yeah, and dmesg says "smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported" [06:51] <stu> why do I always get ignored in this channel [06:51] <stu> yeah same error here [06:51] <stu> active directory share? [06:51] <dv__> no [06:51] <felly> system crashes with nvidia driver when "RENDERACCEL" set to "true." anyone familiar with this bug? [06:51] <dv__> ordinary samba one [06:51] <iiiears> FEDORA CORE 4 cds and it still doesn't do what you need without a bunch of downloads. - lol [06:51] <iiska> ls [06:51] <dv__> felly, its a driver issue [06:51] <dv__> renderaccel is unstable [06:51] <dv__> in fact, the driver docs say just that :) [06:51] <h08817> yo [06:52] <felly> yah i've looked it up in forums too [06:52] <michele> iiiears, you can install fedora with just the first CD [06:52] <RootX|Arphetic> erm [06:52] <felly> its unstable for just nvidia drivers, or all drivers? [06:52] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, wil that erase the tables and stuff as well? [06:52] <h08817> system-->preferences-->synaptic package manager is that where it is? [06:52] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Absolutely everything. [06:52] <h08817> the manager [06:52] <iiiears> ubuntu is the same - lol wide grin [06:52] <RootX|Arphetic> ok ty [06:53] <collins> Hi! Am a new user to Linux. Anybody out there to assist me in printing to a printer connected to a Windows client? [06:53] <kemik> paxmaster: well, the dhcp server usually supply which DNS to use.. so it's a server-configuration thing [06:53] <iiiears> paxmaster - firestarter a gui and Bastille might be worth a quick look. [06:53] <RootX|Arphetic> ill be back later then... testing it now downstairs while eating :) [06:53] <RootX|Arphetic> thats like laptops you know... they 0wn X: [06:53] <dv__> felly, nvidia for sure [06:53] <kemik> paxmaster: or you could edit /etc/resolv.conf ,but it could be that the dhcp will overwrite it upon a new lease [06:54] <dv__> as for other drivers, well, renderaccel is nvidia-specific [06:54] <paxmaster> what about the /etc/network/interfaces [06:54] <felly> thats what i thought, thanks dv__, this is frustrating given the closed-source nature of nvidia's drivers... [06:54] <felly> who knows when they'll fix it [06:54] <kemik> dv__: apt-get install smbfs <- and you'll be able to mount samba shares [06:55] <bretzel> flashplugin-nonfree not available ? ( I updated sources.list - universe, multiverse ) And that pkg is not found [06:57] <michele> RootX|Arphetic, you shouldn't eat laptops [06:58] <kemik> paxmaster: /etc/network/interfaces doenst contain info about DNS servers [06:58] <truz24> Do you have to change the mode with a b/g wireless card? [06:59] <gomer> maplyer question anyone? [06:59] <kemik> paxmaster: not sure if it's a good "hack" but add the DNS server in your /etc/resolv.conf and then write-protect that file [06:59] <bretzel> Sorry, my mistake.... did not finished updating sources.list repos... [06:59] <Gadi> how do I change the system wide umask? I tried changing it in /etc/profile and /etc/login.defs and programs still create files with the default 0022 [06:59] <hybrid_goth> gomer: just ask ;-) [06:59] <gomer> no sound though sound works ok from the OS ...what to do? [06:59] <h08817> how do u remove files with apt-get [06:59] <kemik> Gadi: can do it as an option to the mount command.. (so you can set it in your fstab file) [06:59] <apokryphos> h08817: did you even check the man page? [06:59] <h08817> apt-get remove filename? [06:59] <paulproteus> h08817: You should be using Synaptic, the nice GUI for this. [07:00] <iiiears> apt-get -purge? [07:00] <eliphas_> gomer see if another source doesn't use the sound [07:00] <h08817> i know but what if it isn't in the list? [07:00] <apokryphos> h08817: packagename, yes; you may like to add the --purge option [07:00] <h08817> or are all programs in the list [07:00] <apokryphos> h08817: not in the list? [07:00] <h08817> just wondering [07:00] <eliphas_> like me I disable every sound used by gnome [07:00] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, dd thingie doesnt give output and doesnt make my hdd rumble [07:00] <RootX|Arphetic> is that ok? [07:00] <kemik> the programs that you've installed through the repositories and .deb packages should be listed, yes [07:01] <RootX|Arphetic> or is it just slow? [07:01] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: It's just slow. [07:01] <anna> bonjour a tous [07:01] <paulproteus> It has to wipe the whole drive [07:01] <paulproteus> Bonjour, anna. [07:01] <RootX|Arphetic> ok [07:01] <RootX|Arphetic> ty [07:01] <gomer> i tried different sources but did not restart . I was hoping to use ESD.. [07:01] <bretzel> Wow! even sun-java ( jre and jsdk 1.5 are there ! ) [07:01] <gleng> Is anyone else having issues playing DVDs with mplayer? [07:01] <anna> paul tu m'aide [07:01] <paulproteus> Probablement tu prefererais aller a #ubuntu-fr , anna [07:01] <iiiears> RootX - when it quits it will tell how many records were written [07:01] <Gadi> kemik: does that work on ext3 fs, as well? and do you know if some other file will overwrite it? [07:01] <eliphas_> yeah [07:01] <gomer> later [07:01] <paulproteus> anna: Helas, je suis occupe ce moment. Mais essayez a #ubunt-fr [07:01] <paulproteus> #ubuntu-fr, je veux dire [07:01] <anna> heu oui je me suis tromp merci je m'en vais [07:01] <kemik> Gadi: you mean overwrite your /etc/fstab? ? [07:02] <paulproteus> anna: pas de probleme :) [07:02] <h08817> apokryphos: what does purge do? [07:02] <Gadi> no, change umask of ext3 filesystem [07:02] <anna> merci paul salut [07:02] <kemik> Gadi: that should be doable... consult the man.page for mount [07:02] <Gadi> and i meant overrid [07:02] <kemik> Gadi: or just try =) [07:02] <Gadi> sorry: s/overwrite/override/ [07:03] <iiiears> !apt [07:03] <ubotu> somebody said apt was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ [07:03] <Gadi> kemik: I'm on a terminal server, and I'd rather not be playing too much [07:03] <Gadi> ;) [07:04] <kemik> Gadi: ok, well.. i've not tried it myself, but you should be able to just use the -o umask= option to mount... but you'll have to try to see if it works :) [07:04] <Gadi> kemik: man mount seems to suggest no support for umask= for ext2/3 [07:05] <Gadi> :( [07:05] <paxmaster> i will try that [07:06] <Gadi> in the past, I had been able to change /etc/bashrc and have it take effect globally [07:06] <Gadi> unfortunately, Ubuntu seems to have umask settings all over the place [07:06] <iiiears> ubotu forget apt [07:06] <ubotu> i forgot apt, iiiears [07:06] <iiiears> ubotu apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto [07:06] <ubotu> iiiears: okay [07:07] <gimbal> is ubuntu's reportbug, like, integrated with Malone? [07:07] <apokryphos> gimbal: MOTU's uses Malone [07:07] <kemik> Gadi: only supported for FAT.. weird [07:08] <gimbal> apokryphos: ah; I was thinking it might be comparable with e.g. http://bugs.qa.debian.org/ [07:08] <kemik> iiiears: is it really wise to refer to debian.org ? [07:08] <kemik> iiiears: could perhaps give ppl ideas about adding Debian repositories [07:08] <gimbal> heh, not to sound like a snot, but that reads like: is it wise for the kid to refer to his parent? [07:09] <paulproteus> gimbal: :) [07:10] <iiiears> kemik - feel free to add or change remove ubotu. - communitty resource. [07:10] <apokryphos> kemik: where there's documentation, indeed it generally is wise. Ubuntu and Debian are really very similar [07:11] <robin_> _please_ could someone point me how to go in suspend-to-ram ? [07:11] <dv__> hmm [07:11] <dv__> I want to use gqview, but its not present [07:11] <robin_> with command line, not through GNOME [07:11] <dv__> and also not included in the ubuntu packages [07:11] <jupiterste> after I have all my folders named, is it easy to rename a file inside the folder to the folder name? [07:11] <dv__> can I just do dpkg -i to install the .deb I downloaded? [07:11] <dv__> or is another way recommended with ubuntu? [07:11] <kemik> dv__: generally yes [07:13] <Gadi> hey, kemik, thanks for your help... one of these days I'll find the little bugger... cheers! [07:15] <WebWiz> For some reason X never was configured when I installed Ubuntu 5.04 amd 64 version [07:15] <WebWiz> How do i force ubuntu to detect my video again [07:15] <WebWiz> X won't start right now, heck x can't even be found [07:16] <iiiears> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?? [07:16] <iiiears> !display [07:16] <ubotu> display is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto or ask !Resolution [07:18] <anna> re [07:18] <anna> alors je suis allez sur ubuntu-fr mais il ont pas pu repondre a mes questions [07:18] <anna> est ce que quelqu'un peut m'aider ici [07:19] <anna> bon je vais rsumer tout a dans votre langue [07:19] <kemik> anna: you'll have to use english in here.. even if noone answers in -fr [07:19] <anna> i seek a geek [07:19] <iiiears> heh [07:19] <robin_> _please_ could someone point me how to go in suspend-to-ram through cmd line ? [07:19] <kemik> anna: for marriage? ;P [07:19] <iiiears> lol [07:19] <Hoxzer> is linuxserver also a unixserver? [07:20] <WebWiz> Ubuntu LIVECD works fine with my video... but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg says it is unable to discover my video card [07:20] <anna> it's possible if you're a good geek [07:20] <Hoxzer> so is it? [07:20] <iiiears> nonone marries geeks "nerds" - maybe [07:20] <garyi> Hello can Ubuntu run on an Apple Mac with OSX? [07:20] <anna> i've a question [07:20] <kemik> anna: cool... just ask away [07:20] <Hoxzer> :D is unix server also a linux server? [07:21] <Hoxzer> or... [07:21] <Hoxzer> I mean is linux server also a unix server? [07:21] <radeon2> yes i'm back!! [07:21] <Hoxzer> I just think so couse linux is unix based OS [07:21] <anna> how to destroy brother's computer with xp [07:21] <thenuke> Hoxzer: depends on what you mean X-) [07:21] <r0bby> Hoxzer, a linux server is a linux server [07:21] <r0bby> linux is unix based [07:21] <paulproteus> anna: Que veut-tu faire? [07:21] <r0bby> but it's not "unix" [07:21] <thenuke> Hoxzer: linux is linux, unix is unix [07:21] <anna> a paul enfin [07:21] <LeeColleton> anna: just leave it, it'll destroy itself eventually [07:22] <paulproteus> Or, perhaps, what do you want to do? [07:22] <anna> je parle pas englais [07:22] <zerboxx> Is there a file manager that is closely similar to nautilus (I'm using fvwm so I can't run nautilus) [07:22] <shanghaiteej> I installed Ubuntu on two hard disk, one is 13 gigs and the other is 60 gigs. The installation size on my 13 gig hard drive was only 2.5 gigs (not including swap), but my installation on my 60 gig hard drive was about 5 gigs (not including swap)...what gives? They were both clean installations. [07:22] <thenuke> Hoxzer: now You do the googling, ok? google for "linux" and "unix" [07:22] <garyi> Hello can Ubuntu run on an Apple Mac with OSX? [07:22] <Hoxzer> Thenuke: I mean can you call linux server as an unix server [07:22] <paulproteus> *anglais*! :) [07:22] <thenuke> Hoxzer: you mean you dont want to google? [07:22] <anna> sur ubuntu-fr il ont pas pu m'aider [07:22] <dv__> zerboxx, rox, gentoo, xfe come to mind [07:22] <Hoxzer> Thenuke: and how should I google the answer for that? :D [07:22] <paulproteus> anna: Helas. Que veut-tu faire? [07:22] <dv__> (yes, there is a filemanager called gentoo) [07:22] <thenuke> Hoxzer: I and We mean that the unix is an unix. linux is an linux. [07:22] <zerboxx> dv__: I'm not liking rox, gentoo is hideous, but I'll check xfe [07:22] <thenuke> Hoxzer: just like I said you [07:22] <robin_> since when do we speak french here? [07:23] <robin_> je ne parle pas francais [07:23] <dv__> fine fine [07:23] <anna> t'es toujours occup [07:23] <Hoxzer> I know that linux is not unix [07:23] <iiiears> shanghaiteej, - different cluster sizes l [07:23] <dv__> everything working well. nice linux distro. [07:23] <kemik> shanghaiteej: well, depends on your clustersizes [07:23] <anna> je peux revenir plus tard [07:23] <thenuke> Hoxzer: why do you then ask if linux is unix and so on [07:23] <r0bby> Hoxzer, call it daddy for all I care [07:23] <dv__> it even recognized the USB mouse when I plugged it in - while running X [07:23] <shanghaiteej> what are clustersizes? [07:23] <r0bby> you can call it what you want [07:23] <thenuke> Hoxzer: is Commodore-64 -server pentium-4 -server? [07:23] <dv__> thats quite amazing :D [07:23] <r0bby> =) [07:24] <kemik> shanghaiteej: large disk = large clustersize, small disk = small cluster size... a 1 byte file will occupy an entire cluster (which is different in size depending on your partiotns size.. ) [07:24] <thenuke> Hoxzer: oh my bad, those were not different OS but different architecture [07:24] <r0bby> thenuke, i don't think he's getting it [07:24] <iiiears> minimum data structure size [07:24] <gimbal> Hoxzer: is unix server also a linux server? - depends on how you define Unix [07:24] <Hoxzer> thenuke: I asked can I call linux server as an unix server couse linux is unix based OS.. [07:24] <paulproteus> anna: je suis alle a #ubuntu-fr ; parle-moi la [07:24] <anna> oui monsieur [07:24] <gimbal> Linux has whole POSIX compatability - not always all of it active, afaik, but it can be enabled (possibly to some annoyance) [07:24] <r0bby> Hoxzer, a linux server is a linux server [07:24] <Hoxzer> I know it now... [07:24] <iiiears> Hoxser - are you trying to stir up a holy war? - rofl [07:24] <gimbal> like, enabled in regards to some command-line args or somesuch [07:24] <kemik> paulproteus really has the upper hand in this... he'll get the girl and im stuck here with the rest of you... :| [07:24] <r0bby> just accept it [07:25] <r0bby> it's a linux server [07:25] <Hoxzer> iiiears: no but I think some guys just miss understood me [07:25] <robin_> kemik: learn french :) [07:25] <gimbal> saying Unix as synonym of Linux might seem to lend more strength to what one is talking about [07:25] <thenuke> Hoxzer: I asked you to google for linux and unix [07:25] <r0bby> no [07:25] <anna> comment faire pour que point2play reconnaisse cedega [07:25] <r0bby> Hoxzer, google will help you [07:25] <gimbal> "just don't let SCO see it" heh [07:25] <r0bby> just do it [07:25] <r0bby> =) [07:25] <paulproteus> anna: #ubuntu-fr , s'il te plait. J'y suis alle moi-meme. [07:25] <anna> pardon je n'avais pas compris j'y retourne [07:26] <Hoxzer> r0bby: I already know the answer I dont think so google will be usefull to me anymore [07:26] <Hoxzer> *-so [07:26] <thenuke> Hoxzer: you would find out that unix is an OS and linux is an OS. and unix is not an linux and linux is not an unix [07:26] <iiiears> Hoxser, - NP - Linus Torvaldis was trying to create the unix system he couldn't afford to buy ( 5 grand) [07:26] <dv__> linux is somehow unix compatible [07:26] <paulproteus> iiiears: Minix wasn't actually UNIX, just UNIX-like. [07:27] <thenuke> and compatibility does not make one as another. so linux is not unix. unix is not linux. [07:27] <mjr> if we're gonna start splitting hairs, unix is not an OS [07:27] <paulproteus> Just as Mac OS 10.2 is not Mac OS 10.3 [07:27] <iiiears> true enough - crusades have started. - todays schedule includes at 12p a lively debate of the virtues of emacs over VI [07:27] <mjr> not anymore, anyway; it's an OS spesification and the attached brand-name [07:28] <shanghaiteej> kemik: So Ubuntu adjusts to the cluster size of your hard disk? So does that mean the bigger the cluster size, the better? [07:28] <dv__> isnt that filesystem specific? [07:28] <kemik> shanghaiteej: nawh,, the filesystem does [07:28] <gimbal> mjr: yes, and the costs for ("single"?) UNIX certification - which, of course, nobody wants to pay about the always-actively-developed linux [07:29] <shanghaiteej> kemik: so that's good in what way? [07:29] <dv__> "linux is not unix" [07:29] <dv__> hmm [07:29] <dv__> guys [07:29] <kemik> shanghaiteej: it isnt really. but it's not ubuntus fault, you'll see the same sort of behaviour if you install XP on the same disks [07:29] <dv__> there is a way to install KDE too [07:29] <hhurtta> unix is not linux [07:29] <dv__> like kubuntu does [07:30] <dv__> apt-get install kde ? [07:30] <dv__> or [07:30] <mjr> dv__, kubuntu-desktop [07:30] <dv__> apt-get install kdesktop ? [07:30] <dv__> ah, kubuntu-desktop [07:30] <kemik> shanghaiteej: if a cluster if 4096bytes, then a single 1 byte file will still use up one cluster.. so a 1byte file occupies 4096bytes of space on your harddrive [07:30] <dv__> thx [07:30] <iiiears> linux honors the linus. - GNU might be the real breakthrough. (waits to be slapped with a trout.) [07:30] <shanghaiteej> kemik: alright, I just wanted to know in case I installed ubuntu wrong, I thought 5 gigs was a lot for a file system. [07:30] <gimbal> the identity of Unix being so involving to explain, for what it's worth, i"ve seen no problem with equating Linux as a Unix-style OS [07:30] <kemik> shanghaiteej: and the same goes for NTFS/FAT/ext.... :) [07:30] <dv__> arent clusters FAT-specific? [07:30] <kemik> shanghaiteej: well, 5gb is much [07:31] <dv__> holy mother! 113 MB [07:31] <shanghaiteej> kemik: how do i fix that? [07:31] <shanghaiteej> kemik: manually partition? [07:31] <zerboxx> dv__: Thanks for the file managers, I'm going to stick with rox, though I wish it had a tree thing [07:32] <dv__> whats wrong with xfe? [07:32] <Mianwalian> Guys [07:32] <Mianwalian> I have a little problem [07:32] <dv__> also, if you work much with consoles, consider midnight commander (mc) [07:32] <zerboxx> dv__: :) they both have features I like and dislike...I just prefer the pros of rox [07:33] <Mianwalian> can anyone help me with ubuntu [07:33] <Mianwalian> ? [07:33] <dv__> Mianwalian, be more precise. [07:33] <letme0ut> Mianwalian, most likely :-p [07:33] <Mianwalian> i m using live CD, and previously i have installed the winxp, now i dun know where is my All HD drives are :S [07:33] <dv__> zerboxx, I use mc often with ion3 [07:33] <Mianwalian> means i m unable to access my data in HD [07:33] <dv__> this is a weird installation, actually.... kde, gnome, and - ion3 :D [07:34] <Mianwalian> please help me out [07:34] <dv__> arent there some icons on the desktop? [07:34] <dv__> never used the livecd, but the drive icons should be present, shouldnt they? [07:34] <gimbal> off-topic, but heck. does anyone else think "enterprise" sounds more like science-fiction than some business-school grads might be willing to admit? [07:34] <shanghaiteej> kemik: You know how to solve the 5gb cluster size..or is it unsolvable for a 60gb partition... [07:35] <Mianwalian> dv_ _ nope bro [07:35] <Mianwalian> they aren't [07:35] <Mianwalian> :S [07:35] <Mianwalian> there is only one [07:35] <Mianwalian> icon [07:35] <Mianwalian> on desktop [07:35] <Mianwalian> and that is of [07:35] <Mianwalian> CD ROM [07:35] <Mianwalian> no other [07:35] <Mianwalian> icons [07:35] <Mianwalian> directing to my Hard Disk Drives [07:35] <Mianwalian> :S [07:35] <dv__> err.... write in one sentence, would ya? :) [07:35] <Mianwalian> okay [07:35] <Mianwalian> :) [07:35] <reiki> I don't think I had a cdrom icon on my fresh install last night [07:36] <Mianwalian> hummmmm [07:36] <dv__> reiki, its the livecd [07:36] <kemik> shanghaiteej: umh.. your clusters are not 5gb in size... :) [07:36] <Mianwalian> reiki i m using live CD [07:36] <Mianwalian> :S [07:36] <gimbal> heyo, if Ubuntu might get any more friendly (however so) with OSTG, I bet that would result in yet more online coverage about Ubuntu [07:36] <reiki> ahh... sorry... that's what I get for not reading a while before talking :) [07:36] <dv__> Mianwalian, and the menu with the locations? [07:36] <mrson> alguien me puede ayudar con postgre3 [07:36] <vitriol_> anybody know how to set up a bluetooth mouse in x? i can't find any how-to's on this [07:36] <dv__> the menu to the top [07:36] <kemik> shanghaiteej: but i dont know any way to fix that no [07:36] <Mianwalian> dv__ [07:36] <Mianwalian> they r present [07:36] <dv__> theres "Applications" and "Locations" or such [07:36] <Mianwalian> but i m new to linux [07:36] <vagamente> Hi all... is there ne1 using OO2? [07:36] <vitriol_> the mouse is recognized and detected...i can even ping it. just don't know how to add it in x [07:36] <dv__> there should be something [07:37] <reiki> mrson espanol? [07:37] <shanghaiteej> kemik: well crap, 5gb is a lot of ubuntu files to start off with.. [07:37] <Mianwalian> to i dun know whats the path to access my drives on HD [07:37] <dv__> Mianwalian, just look in the menu [07:37] <Mianwalian> dv__ bro [07:37] <shanghaiteej> kemik: what was the initial size of ubuntu on your box? [07:37] <Mianwalian> i have explorered all the options in the above menus but i m unable to find on directing to the access of my HD [07:38] <fl> hi again :-) [07:38] <dv__> hmm [07:38] <dv__> start a terminal [07:38] <Mianwalian> okay [07:38] <Mianwalian> then [07:38] <Mianwalian> ? [07:38] <dv__> "Application" -> System -> Terminal [07:38] <fl> Concord_Dawn, you still there? [07:38] <Mianwalian> yep i knew [07:38] <dv__> type "mount" [07:38] <Mianwalian> i have started it [07:38] <Mianwalian> ahaan w8 [07:38] <dv__> and DON'T paste it here [07:39] <dv__> use http://rafb.net/paste/ [07:39] <nevin> vitriol_: see if you can get it working via "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" [07:39] <kemik> shanghaiteej: maybe 2-3gb ? [07:39] <budluva> can anyone tell me why my dvd burner only burns at 4x when i have a 16x burner and 16x media? im using k3b and i can select 8x, but it only reaches maybe 4x at best, usually around 3.2x???? [07:39] <shanghaiteej> kemik: how big was the drive you installed it on? [07:40] <vitriol_> nevin: was hoping to not have to do that :) i have a pretty customized xorg.conf...but i'll try that anyways to see if it works! [07:40] <nevin> vitriol_: back up your old xorg.conf and migrate the changes back manually [07:40] <kemik> shanghaiteej: 20gb [07:41] <Concord_Dawn> fl, am now, was eating lunch. [07:41] <shanghaiteej> How big was everyone's initial Ubuntu filesystem? [07:41] <Concord_Dawn> 2 to 3 gb. [07:41] <letme0ut> mine was about an inch tall [07:41] <shanghaiteej> and how big was the hard drive you installed it on? [07:41] <Mianwalian> Hi guys [07:41] <Concord_Dawn> 12. [07:41] <spola> mine 4 [07:41] <Mianwalian> can anyone tell me how can i mount my HD on liveCD [07:41] <Mianwalian> ? [07:41] <robin_> _please_ could someone point me how to go in suspend-to-ram through cmd line ? [07:41] <shanghaiteej> mine was 5 on a 60gb [07:42] <Concord_Dawn> Mianwalian, mount -t <fs> <device> <mountpoint> [07:42] <shanghaiteej> spola: how big was your hard drive? [07:42] <spola> 4G [07:42] <Concord_Dawn> robin_, shutdown --help [07:42] <HappyFool> Mianwalian: i think dv__ is busy doing that; have you pasted the output of 'mount' to the pastebin yet? You might want to also paste the output of 'sudo fdisk -l' there [07:42] <spola> maybe a bit (megabytes) more [07:42] <shanghaiteej> so it just took up all of yoru 4gigs? [07:43] <shanghaiteej> kemik: thanks for your help [07:43] <spola> not all, i still had some place left [07:43] <robin_> Concord_Dawn: shutdown ?, no I want suspend-toram.. with the scripts etc.. [07:43] <dv__> HappyFool, the partitions arent mounted at all [07:43] <spola> a little :) [07:44] <HappyFool> sudo fdisk -l will tell you what partitions ubuntu can see (including unmounted) [07:44] <dv__> yeah [07:44] <HappyFool> the sudo password should be blank [07:44] <Concord_Dawn> robin_, erm.....I was suggesting that you type that into a terminal, it lists all the possible shutdown options, one of those is suspend-to-ram. [07:44] <iiiears> !winmac_fstab [07:44] <ubotu> iiiears: Are you on ritalin? [07:44] <iiiears> !winmac-fstab [07:44] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, iiiears [07:44] <HappyFool> heh [07:44] <robin_> Concord_Dawn: hmm, ok sry. I was looking at my debian server, which has not that option.. will take a look :) [07:45] <HappyFool> ritalin been substituted for crack? ;) [07:45] <dv__> its easier to get :) [07:45] <Concord_Dawn> HappyFool, both are there. [07:45] <shanghaiteej> kemik: so 5gigs is nothing to worry about? [07:46] <HappyFool> !ntfs [07:46] <fl> Concord_Dawn, where are you from? In Germany, it's 19:46 right now [07:46] <Concord_Dawn> Canada. [07:46] <Concord_Dawn> GMT -5. [07:46] <HappyFool> did the answer appear here? seemed to be msg'ed to me. [07:46] <HappyFool> !ntfs [07:46] <ubotu> [ntfs] the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab [07:47] <h08817> hello [07:47] <h08817> what does this mean: Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual [07:47] <oxez> is there a tool to resize my windows partition with the ubuntu cd? [07:47] <oxez> (graphical) [07:47] <fl> okso that would put you on the Toronto side of it. [07:47] <h08817> oxez: do i need a driver or something? [07:47] <letme0ut> oxez, [07:47] <iiiears> ubotu mountall is Easily mount all drives win or mac and add them to fstab script www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab [07:47] <ubotu> iiiears: okay [07:47] <letme0ut> not if it is a ntfs [07:47] <letme0ut> only fat32 can be resized [07:47] <fl> but what I wanted to say: I like Ubuntu from what I see ;-) [07:47] <fl> so cool. [07:48] <nevin> ntfs can be resized in qtparted [07:48] <Concord_Dawn> yeah it is. [07:48] <oxez> letme0ut: k so I'll use partition magic from win [07:48] <letme0ut> ok [07:48] <fl> after making the installer (or rather the kernel) obey and boot, all went w/o problems. And then that spiffy login sound. [07:48] <letme0ut> i usually use partition magic [07:48] <letme0ut> if i have ntfs [07:48] <Concord_Dawn> yeah I know [07:48] <gimbal> oxez: parted is as graphical as a text/character-cell screen; for what it's worth, before resizing a dozer partition, boot the ms-dozer system with (iirc) F3 depressed (to prevent it from loading drivers, etc) then run the MS win defrag tool [07:48] <HappyFool> iiiears: there are several entries already ;) http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/?q=winmac&b=Find+%BB [07:48] <letme0ut> but idk nevin says qtparted can do it [07:48] <Concord_Dawn> the login has elite sounds. [07:48] <letme0ut> ive never used that [07:49] <nevin> letme0ut: pretty nice interface, comes on knoppix [07:49] <oxez> gimbal: k I'll try [07:49] <Concord_Dawn> Can someone help me with setting QTDIR? [07:49] <gimbal> well, that's for preperation for shrinking a dozer partition [07:49] <letme0ut> :-) [07:49] <h08817> Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual [07:49] <h08817> how can i fix that [07:49] <gimbal> the typical MSwin-desktopy-system partition format being also known as FAT32 or somesuch [07:49] <h08817> do i need a video driver? [07:50] <Concord_Dawn> gimbal, it's NTFS on 2000/XP and FAT32 on Win9.x [07:50] <letme0ut> i actually have a python and perl script that can resize fat for you [07:50] <HappyFool> h08817: what program is that? [07:50] <letme0ut> automatically [07:50] <fl> when I my 1st slackware install, the we've come a long way :-) I'll try to nicify the Wiki page on old world macs when it's up & running [07:50] <gimbal> Concord_Dawn: ah; just to be sure, 'cos I hadn't known: NTFS is used on XP and 2k desktops? [07:50] <h08817> HappyFool: armyops [07:50] <fl> I find it a bit confusing right now [07:50] <eventualbuddha> i have lighttpd installed from apt but it's version 1.3.13. will something bad happen if i attempt to install a deb package of 1.3.16? [07:50] <Concord_Dawn> yes it is. [07:50] <Concord_Dawn> NTFS is way better than FAT32. [07:51] <kemik> anyone know of a good application to read EBOOKS ? [07:51] <rrittenhouse> I am trying to make a shell script SSH into another box but im not sure how to specify the password when SSH asks for it.. any ideas? [07:51] <Concord_Dawn> but not as good as Ext3. [07:51] <h08817> HappyFool: downloaded from americasarmy.com [07:51] <gimbal> aight; that serves to explain the want for 'write' support in the ntfs drivers in the 2.6 kernel heh [07:51] <kemik> Concord_Dawn: ntfs isnt good for dualbooting though [07:51] <gimbal> also explains how the heck to support migration across the filesystem on 2k and XP systems [07:51] <Concord_Dawn> kemik, when you have 2 partitions, it don't matter :) [07:51] <gimbal> or serves to or what [07:51] <Seveas> rrittenhouse, use rsa authentication "_ [07:51] <eventualbuddha> rrittenhouse: you should use a shared key [07:51] <h08817> HappyFool: how can i install the video driver rpm [07:52] <HappyFool> h08817: what video card do you have? [07:52] <Concord_Dawn> h08817, RPMs are for Redhat, DEBs are for Debian and therefore Ubuntu. [07:52] <h08817> HappyFool: for an ati radeon 9000 [07:52] <HappyFool> !ati [07:52] <ubotu> it has been said that ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI [07:52] <Davey|Work> Concord_Dawn: RPMs are not just for Redhat, and you can install them on Debian using Alien [07:52] <rrittenhouse> Seveas, eventualbuddha: Thanks i didnt think about it that way... so much more secure haha. [07:52] <Concord_Dawn> heh [07:52] <HappyFool> h08817: read the instructions on that page (above, from ubotu) [07:53] <fl> Davey|Work, Alien is evil :-) [07:53] <HappyFool> h08817: that will tell you how to install the ati drivers for ubuntu [07:53] <Concord_Dawn> they're not natively Debian, that's the point. [07:53] <Davey|Work> fl: nah, its saved my bacon a lot :) [07:53] <fl> but it doesn't capture pre and post scripts [07:53] <Davey|Work> and? I can configure it myself :) [07:54] <fl> that's not so nice. Sure you can do that, but who _wants_ to do it? [07:54] <gimbal> imo, Ubuntu could use the helix-server, helix-producer, helix-producer-sdk pkgs [07:54] <Davey|Work> its mostly libs that I've installed using alien'ed RPMs, so not a big deal :) [07:54] <black13> does the ubuntu live cd use squashfs [07:55] <fl> I'm not questioning your ability, it's just that pointing people to alient IMO just makes them come back with "why didn't it work" questions... [07:55] <iiiears> black13 - i don't think it does [07:55] <h08817> well i have the game armyops and i get this error (Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual) will installing that fix my prob? [07:55] <Davey|Work> but df -h will likely tell you if you're currently booted into it? [07:55] <HappyFool> h08817: i don't know [07:55] <HappyFool> h08817: try it and see [07:55] <black13> iiiears i am looking for for a mini-distro that i can modify/learn from [07:56] <h08817> HappyFool: any other options if that doesn't work? [07:56] <rrittenhouse> Ok let me throw this at you to see how you guys would go about it... I have a few kiosks around campus here and instead of staticly assigning them IP addresses I want to be able to find out their IP's when they are assigned dynamically.. I was thinking about having the box use a cron job and ssh in and write a file with that kiosk's ip address.... [07:56] <iiiears> ubuntu lite? damnsmall linux? [07:56] <fuoco> anyone knows how to share files between ubuntu and os x ? [07:56] <black13> is there an ubuntu lite? [07:57] <nevin> rrittenhouse: just look at the list of leases on your dhcp server [07:57] <iiiears> yes [07:57] <HappyFool> h08817: a quick google for that error did not reveal anything definitive; i think it probably is the drivers, but i am not certain [07:57] <fl> rrittenhouse, is there a way to know the HW addresses of the kisok systems? Then, you could assign them IPs based on what HW address asks [07:57] <rrittenhouse> nevin: thats kinda complicated with the security here...its on a novell box and we cant just check it out lol ... [07:58] <gimbal> not sure who's heard of this, but it may be of interest for becoming introduced about matters regarding networking: http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/ [07:58] <h08817> HappyFool: thanks anyway [07:58] <h08817> HappyFool: i'll give it a try [07:58] <gimbal> that being Connected: an Internet Encyclopedia [07:58] <nevin> rrittenhouse: have them all push their ip addresses to a php script somewhere? [07:58] <gimbal> also nice, and not as free, but anyone might find it worth licensing a CD of: http://www.tcpipguide.com/index.htm [07:58] <billytwowilly> what's the easiest way to extract the stuff inside a .bin file? [07:58] <Davey|Work> gimbal: erm, wikipedia.com? :) [07:58] <rrittenhouse> nevin: yea im thinking about something like that.... thanks for the ideas. [07:59] <nevin> no prob [07:59] <iiiears> gimbal nice link! (dives in... - grin) [07:59] <black13> i am about have my ass reamed ... i have an interview with microsoft! [07:59] <paulproteus> black13: Good luck. [07:59] <kemik> traitor!! [07:59] <Davey|Work> black13: good company to work for I hear :) [07:59] <kemik> good luck ;) [07:59] <omegalima> flame flame flame loud noises [07:59] <paulproteus> Well, I don't wish him any ill will, just the company ;) [07:59] <gimbal> Davey|Work: eeee; wikipedia as a resource about software - its' hard to expain this, but the thought does leave me actually cringing [08:00] <billytwowilly> black13, good idea, get a job, insert more bugs and maybe a back door;) I like your style;) [08:00] <iiiears> black13's network was on dsheilds 10 most wanted list? [08:00] <iiiears> lol [08:00] <gimbal> software & hardware even; it's not the freeness of the information but the generaly anonymous and possibly oblique quality of the authorship [08:00] <Davey|Work> gimbal: sorry, but looking that the description "An Internet Encyclopedia" .. [08:00] <gimbal> Davey|Work: ah; heh [08:01] <Davey|Work> gimbal: I love this: Welcome! The Internet Encyclopedia is my attempt to take the Internet tradition of open, free protocol specifications, merge it with a 1990s Web presentation, and produce a readable and useful reference to the technical operation of the Internet. [08:01] <Davey|Work> 1990s, rofl. [08:01] <Davey|Work> they got that right! Animated gifs and all [08:01] <billytwowilly> so, what's the easiest way to extract the stuff in a .bin/.cue file? [08:01] <paulproteus> gimbal: It's a great resource for hardware info. [08:02] <paulproteus> I used its guide to AMD64 chips to figure out which ones are diff how from each other. [08:02] <darkheart> billytwowilly I guess easiest way is to burn it =) [08:02] <budluva> after making an entry in my hdparm.conf do i have to restart for it to take effect? [08:02] <billytwowilly> darkheart, no burner available... [08:02] <a1zi> how do i set up a wireless nic on ubuntu.. ive tryed and i cant get it [08:03] <a1zi> its very complicated [08:03] <a1zi> or can someone at lest show me a link [08:03] <a1zi> please! [08:04] <a1zi> ill love you for ever [08:04] <gimbal> paulproteus: ok; will like bookmark it for such, & such; danke [08:04] <h08817> well how can i install a 3d accelerator [08:04] <h08817> for a ati radeon 9000 [08:05] <paulproteus> a1zi: What wireless card? [08:05] <a1zi> paulproteus: wmp54gs linksys card [08:06] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, you haev any other idea's to solve it? [08:06] <kakei> hallo [08:06] <a1zi> i dont need the support for the speedboost.. i know it wont work.... [08:06] <kakei> somebody help me to install xmms on my ubuntu................ [08:06] <darkheart> billytwowilly Well, I don't know much on the matter, but you can try converting the bin/cue file into an iso and then try mounting the .iso file on a loopback device and reading it like that. You might be able to do it from just the .bin file..but I doubt it. [08:06] <h08817> !xmms [08:06] <ubotu> h08817: Bugger all, i dunno [08:07] <kakei> yup [08:07] <paulproteus> a1zi: install ndiswrapper, and then use it to install the Windows driver from the CD [08:07] <paulproteus> http://www.gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_wmp54gs has a little info, but be careful not to follow it too carefully [08:07] <kakei> i read from guide [08:07] <billytwowilly> darkheart, already download bchunk;) I just remembered I could do that;) thanks for the tip. [08:07] <kemik> !ndiswrapper [08:07] <ubotu> hmm... ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper [08:07] <paulproteus> (It's for Gentoo, so some directions won't translate) [08:07] <kakei> but not work [08:07] <a1zi> i did try that.. but i get an operations is not permitted [08:07] <rrittenhouse> Is there a system variable on an ubuntu system that holds the IP address? [08:07] <darkheart> billytwowilly =) Good luck. Let me know if you can do it. I'm curious. [08:08] <a1zi> paulproteus: i did try that.. but i get an operations is not permitted [08:08] <paulproteus> a1zi: You had better be doing this stuff using sudo. [08:08] <a1zi> i was [08:08] <a1zi> paulproteus: i was [08:08] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: what I said should have erased the hard drive [08:08] <a1zi> paulproteus: both ways.. as root and with sudo [08:08] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: So I don't know what you're asking about. [08:08] <paulproteus> It may take a while. [08:08] <Concord_Dawn> anyone know how to save an iPod after a bad reformatting attempt? [08:08] <a1zi> paulproteus: but the are both the same essentailly [08:09] <billytwowilly> darkheart, I've mounted iso files before.. it's just a matter of getting an iso file;) [08:09] <paulproteus> a1zi: Yes. [08:09] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, it didn't work [08:09] <RootX|Arphetic> Somehow i can't make a primary disk using FDISK after that [08:09] <RootX|Arphetic> :/ [08:09] <billytwowilly> darkheart, and remembering the right stuff to put behind "mount" to get the iso to mount;) [08:09] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Once you've zeroed the partition table, go straight to the Windows partitioner. [08:10] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, it didn't work [08:10] <a1zi> paulproteus: i reinstalled ubuntu thinking i used the wrong kernel.. so i havnt tryed this instalation yet but.. i am doubtful it will work [08:10] <darkheart> billytwowilly Hehe, I just looked it up 'mount -o loop /path/to/iso /mnt/dir' That came from a gentoo wiki page though. [08:10] <paulproteus> !ndis [08:10] <ubotu> methinks ndis is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper or http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ubuntu [08:10] <paulproteus> a1zi: That should take care of you. [08:10] <thespiritoftal> is there a way to configure xchat so that it will always connect to channels I want on default every startup? [08:10] <Concord_Dawn> dark, it works that way on Ubuntu as well. [08:11] <Concord_Dawn> yes thespiritoftal [08:11] <kemik> billytwowilly: tried "bin2iso" ? [08:11] <a1zi> paulproteus: what should... the web site.. [08:11] <a1zi> ? [08:11] <darkheart> Concord_Dawn Cool. [08:11] <paulproteus> a1zi: the web sites there, yes [08:11] <a1zi> paulproteus: thanks bro [08:11] <thespiritoftal> Concord-Dawn: how? [08:12] <budluva> anyone aware of a howto for upgrading firmware for a dvd burner in ubuntu? [08:12] <h08817> thespiritoftal: it is easy just do this [08:13] <h08817> thespiritoftal: edit that connection u want to connect to all the time [08:13] <billytwowilly> kemik, I haven't tried that. doesn't appear to be in the ubuntu repository. [08:13] <h08817> then in one of the boxes it will say channels and u type in #channel [08:13] <kenny> hi guys [08:14] <billytwowilly> kemik, I tried bchunk, but it outputed 2 iso files... I'm a bit confused [08:14] <kakei> p [08:14] <kenny> I need some help with running a MySql data base, can anyone help me [08:14] <kemik> billytwowilly: it's not :) it's a small .c program [08:14] <billytwowilly> kemik, linky? [08:14] <Concord_Dawn> kenny, search in Synaptic for mysql [08:15] <kenny> Concord i have it all installed, but i can seem to get aconnection, it keeps failing [08:15] <kenny> *i cant [08:15] <billytwowilly> kemik, does this look right to mount the iso? mount -o loop -t iso9660 isoname [08:15] <kemik> billytwowilly: http://mange.dynup.net/linux/bin2iso/bin2iso.c [08:15] <senile_implant> kenny, what erros are you getting? [08:15] <darkheart> billytwowilly I don't think you need the -t part [08:16] <kemik> billytwowilly: yes, "sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop /paht/isofile.iso /mountpoint" [08:16] <AMCDeathKnight> How do I chmod all the files in a directory instead of doing it one at a time? [08:16] <kenny> it wont connect when i tell it to conect [08:16] <liran_> i wish there were some less-consuming-ram&cpu alternative to openoffice so i can work out my word files [08:16] <darkheart> kenny Won't connect...how so? [08:17] <kenny> it will only connect when i dont set a username/password [08:17] <darkheart> AMCDeathKnight Just use the * wildcard [08:17] <kemik> billytwowilly: there's also another application called "cdemu" that lets you mount .cue/.bin without conversion.. however it did not work for me on Sim City .bin/.cue :( [08:17] <AMCDeathKnight> thanks [08:17] <darkheart> kenny I don't understand..firstly, how are you connecting to it? Just command line? [08:17] <kenny> this is the error im getting [ebshop] ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'test@localhost' (Using password: YES) [08:17] <jai> can anyone help me setup tightvnc on ubuntu? [08:17] <billytwowilly> kemik, what commands should I pass to compile the small c program? I'm used to .configure ./make ... [08:17] <kenny> no i am using MySqlCC [08:18] <kemik> billytwowilly: gcc -o bin2iso bin2iso.c [08:18] <darkheart> kenny Well, it sounds like you need to study MySQL a bit more. You need to grant privileges to that user. [08:18] <budluva> what codecs/plugins do i need installed to view .vobs? [08:18] <kenny> is there a simple way to do it. [08:18] <budluva> just libdvdcss2? [08:18] <kenny> using MySqlCC [08:18] <senile_implant> what is mysqlcc? [08:18] <kemik> budluva: afaik yes [08:18] <mrson> alguien me puede ayudar con postgresql? [08:18] <darkheart> kenny I don't use MySQLcc [08:18] <kemik> !restricted [08:19] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [08:19] <zerboxx> I have a problem. I was running gnome&metacity, and I set up my media keys on my keyboard. Now I've switched to fvwm, but my "home" key which opened up nautilus still does, but I have NO clue how to stop it, any idea? [08:19] <darkheart> kenny Just go to the mysql site, then search for the 'grant' command, and you can connect as root and grant privileges to a user that you create. [08:19] <kenny> ohh righ, thanks guys [08:20] <senile_implant> i prefer phpmyadmin if you have mysql set up with apache [08:20] <billytwowilly> kemik, so I just go bin2iso filename.bin and it should work? [08:20] <jai> I am unable to setup a TightVNC server properly. I am able to login into a remote desktop using the viewwer just fine but I cannot do the same with the server running on my ubuntu box. It just gives me a black pixelated garbled screen! [08:20] <kemik> billytwowilly: yeah [08:20] <billytwowilly> k, here goes nothing;) [08:20] <a1zi> my kernel version is to low to install wifi.. what do i do? [08:20] <billytwowilly> sweet! [08:21] <billytwowilly> kemik, it worked! thanks. [08:21] <nickrud> zerboxx, run gnome-keybinding-properties, and hit backspace on the shortcut, that should disable it. [08:21] <kemik> np billytwowilly [08:21] <darkheart> jai How did you set it up? [08:21] <a1zi> my kernel version is to low to install wifi.. what do i do? [08:21] <jai> i downloaded the rpm, converted to deb package [08:22] <Concord_Dawn> alzi, upgrade your kernel? what version you have? [08:22] <h08817> a1zi: what ubuntu version are u using? [08:22] <darkheart> jai =\ Well, uninstall it and install the one in the Ubuntu repository. [08:22] <jai> the first time it gave me an could not start Xvnc error so i changed the fontPath [08:22] <zerboxx> nickrud: Oh thanks a million! [08:22] <jai> is there a server? [08:22] <jai> in the ubuntu rep? [08:22] <darkheart> jai Yeah, I use it. [08:22] <jai> it's not showing up when I do update [08:22] <jai> do i need to add a repository? [08:23] <darkheart> jai Probably, if it's not appearing. Are you using Synaptic or command line? [08:23] <jai> synaptic [08:23] <darkheart> jai And nothing comes up when you search for vnc? [08:23] <jai> only the viewer [08:23] <DukGalNamu> ok, this firefox problem is seriouse.... [08:23] <senile_implant> jai, there's a tutorial here if you need: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories [08:24] <DukGalNamu> java doesn't work [08:24] <jai> k, ill check that out [08:24] <jai> thanks [08:24] <senile_implant> np [08:24] <senile_implant> DukGalNamu, you sure java is installed? [08:24] <DukGalNamu> javascript crashes each time [08:24] <darkheart> lol [08:24] <kemik> DukGalNamu: followed the java.howto? [08:24] <kemik> !java [08:24] <ubotu> somebody said java was to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [08:24] <darkheart> DukGalNamu JavaScript has nothing to do with Java. [08:24] <h08817> installed an ati driver now a game just won't run [08:24] <a1zi> ubuntu hoarty 5.04 [08:24] <h08817> any ideas [08:25] <djtric> is there a substitute for flash mx in linux?! i'm just curious..hehe [08:25] <brk3> has anyone made packages of the new amarok.. [08:25] <DukGalNamu> yeah, well its the java script that keeps on crashing [08:25] <a1zi> h08817: hoarty 5.04 [08:25] <budluva> a1zi in a console type uname -r to get your kernel verison [08:25] <apokryphos> !amarok1.3 [08:25] <ubotu> apokryphos: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [08:25] <h08817> ok [08:25] <apokryphos> hm [08:25] <Gadi> kemik: fixed it! I put "umask 002" into ~/.gnomerc and it fixed things [08:25] <Gadi> kemik: thx again! [08:25] <darkheart> DukGalNamu The JavaScript crashes? How so? [08:25] <h08817> a1zi: and they didn't help u yet [08:25] <a1zi> h08817: 2.6.10 [08:26] <apokryphos> brk3: short answer: there are some packs on the forum, but I'm not sure if there's only beta3 [08:26] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: it stops loading and firefox stops responding, and this is after repeted re installs [08:26] <a1zi> h08817: no [08:26] <a1zi> h08817: they didnt [08:26] <joseduenas> hello [08:26] <h08817> ok well u are installed wifi correct [08:26] <a1zi> h08817: how do i update a kernel [08:26] <h08817> is it a usb [08:26] <darkheart> DukGalNamu Okay...Are you sure you're not talking about Java? You don't really see JavaScript load. [08:26] <a1zi> no.. it is a pci [08:26] <budluva> a1zi your kernel is new enough you shouldn't need to update [08:26] <senile_implant> darkheart, what URL are you referring to? [08:27] <h08817> and how do u know u have to update ur kernel? [08:27] <joseduenas> i got a little problem. dvd playing going jumpy [08:27] <senile_implant> err DukGalNamu [08:27] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: no loading a page that uses it [08:27] <djtric> anyone here having with the corner-xmms gdesklet?! [08:27] <joseduenas> i'm using gxine [08:27] <concept10> apokryphos, I did, I hate KDE apps [08:27] <budluva> joseduenas try enabling dma on your dvd drive [08:27] <a1zi> h08817: a website told me the prerequisites and my kernel is lower than 2.6.6 [08:27] <h08817> a1zi: does ur computer actually tell u u need a newer kernel [08:27] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: for instance, when ilog out of yahoo, or go onto my suppliers web page [08:27] <h08817> o ok [08:27] <a1zi> h08817: LOL no [08:27] <apokryphos> concept10: aha! Just wait there while I grab my axe [08:27] <h08817> !kernel [08:27] <darkheart> senile_implant Hm? [08:27] <a1zi> in terminal? [08:27] <concept10> apokryphos, j/k [08:27] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: i know they need java script to work [08:27] <senile_implant> darkheart, sorry wron gperson [08:27] <apokryphos> concept10: :) [08:27] <Srekel> I got a question [08:28] <RootX|Arphetic> Wouw I really enjoy linux screansavers! [08:28] <darkheart> senile_implant np =) [08:28] <joseduenas> budluva, mm, thanks, i'm going to try, thanks [08:28] <a1zi> h08817: talk to me in private chat? [08:28] <h08817> well do this [08:28] <h08817> a1zi: type !kernel [08:28] <budluva> joseduenas sudo hdparm -d1 /media/cdrom0 or whatever your dvd drive is [08:28] <h08817> in this screen [08:28] <a1zi> !kernel [08:28] <darkheart> DukGalNamu You don't have any plugins that prevent javascript from loading? [08:28] <apokryphos> brk3: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=304006&postcount=54 [08:29] <Srekel> there are places where people/docs say you should edit the .xsession or the .xinitrc file [08:29] <h08817> wait a little bit and ubotu should tell u stuff [08:29] <Srekel> but I can't find one [08:29] <apokryphos> ubotu: amarok1.3 is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=304006&postcount=54 [08:29] <ubotu> apokryphos: okay [08:29] <Spudchat> is it possible to bridge my interent connection to another machine? [08:29] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: not htat i am aware of... in fact i don't think i have ANY plugins [08:29] <h08817> !americas army [08:29] <ubotu> h08817: I don't know, could you explain it? [08:29] <Srekel> is there something I'm missing? [08:29] <budluva> Spudchat what kind of internet connection are you talkin about? [08:29] <Spudchat> i use wifi [08:29] <h08817> any1 play americas army [08:29] <a1zi> looks like there isnt a 2.6.6 [08:29] <nickrud> Srekel, you simply create it, and should use you should create .xsession [08:29] <bjw> I come here to ask a question that is hunting me. [08:29] <Spudchat> but would like to connect through ethernet [08:29] <budluva> eek, i have 0 experience with wifi :P [08:29] <joseduenas> budluva, thanks [08:29] <Spudchat> doh [08:30] <brk3> h08817: is it on a laptop? [08:30] <a1zi> no... desktop [08:30] <Srekel> nickrud, oh ok, thanks [08:30] <darkheart> DukGalNamu I'm still wondering if you mean Java doesn't work...Can you play games from http://games.yahoo.com ? [08:30] <a1zi> its a pci card [08:30] <budluva> joseduenas ok now sudo hdparm /media/cdrom0 and see if it enabled dma [08:30] <bjw> Is there a Music Management software that is available in linux other than rhthmbox that works well? [08:30] <h08817> brk3: no [08:30] <apokryphos> bjw: there are far superior ones, yes. [08:30] <brk3> apokryphos: sweet, thanks :) [08:30] <apokryphos> bjw: see amaroK and JuK [08:30] <h08817> brk3: just installed ati drivers to improve the quality of the game but now won't run [08:30] <bjw> apokryphos, both of them are KDE [08:30] <brk3> bjw: amarok! [08:31] <bjw> ? [08:31] <apokryphos> bjw: correct [08:31] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: i would love to try, but hte page fails to load [08:31] <brk3> h08817: just wondering [08:31] <h08817> brk3: o u can't help me out? [08:31] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: and firefox crashed again [08:31] <Spudchat> hmm ok thanks guys ill see what i can find online [08:31] <darkheart> DukGalNamu Open up a terminal, then run firefox from the terminal. [08:31] <brk3> h08817: do the drivers work in general though? its just im thinking of buying a laptop that has an ati card.. sorry cant really help though [08:32] <h08817> o ati is great [08:32] <h08817> its one of the best video cards I think [08:32] <brk3> h08817: just linux supprt isnt meant to be great [08:32] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: no error messages and it froze again [08:33] <darkheart> DukGalNamu It doesn't produce an error message to the console when it crashes? [08:33] <h08817> brk3: well it usually isn't unless u bought linux [08:33] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: nope [08:33] <uno> #q [08:33] <h08817> brk3: this room is so so in help [08:33] <senile_implant> DukGalNamu, have you tried disabling javascript? [08:33] <senile_implant> DukGalNamu, and does this error happen in other browsers? [08:34] <DukGalNamu> senile_implant: yes, without disabling java, and i have no problems, but some websites require it [08:34] <brk3> apokryphos: sorry for asking, but are there packages compiled with kde3.3? or will those ones still work.. [08:34] <DukGalNamu> senile_implant: i have no other browsers [08:34] <joseduenas> budluva, ok, the playins is perfect ! thanks. dma is activated now [08:35] <iiiears> ubotu keyboard [08:35] <ubotu> iiiears: I don't know [08:35] <h08817> anyone play americas army? [08:35] <senile_implant> DukGalNamu, does anything appear in your /var/log/messages file? [08:35] <DukGalNamu> senile_implant: if you could point me to one that supports javascript and java, and doesn't require gnome of kde .... [08:35] <h08817> i need some help setting something up [08:35] <apokryphos> brk3: only 3.2 libs are required, but why don't you have 3.4? [08:35] <DukGalNamu> let me check [08:35] <brk3> apokryphos: im on dialup, so couldnt update from the default [08:35] <anacron> can i have a backround in unix side? [08:35] <apokryphos> brk3: are you on warty? [08:36] <mititelu> hey, how can i access the root account? [08:36] <brk3> apokryphos: wait.. i do have 3.4! [08:36] <apokryphos> =) [08:36] <bwlang> anybody know how to get a webcam to work... it's recognized by my system but i get no image in gqcam or camstream [08:36] <brk3> thought i didnt :) [08:36] <brk3> apokryphos: 3.4.0 - will that work ok? [08:36] <RootX|Arphetic> mmm [08:36] <senile_implant> DukGalNamu, afaik you need a window manager for browsers that support java/JS [08:36] <apokryphos> brk3: indeed it will. [08:36] <apokryphos> it should [08:36] <anacron> mititelu: you should use sudo, but sudo passwd root and then use su to change [08:36] <brk3> apokryphos: much appreciated [08:36] <RootX|Arphetic> paulproteus, in FDISK i have to make a primary partition, and reboot after that. Is turning of and on not good? [08:36] <joseduenas> budluva, the only thing that is not so well is that the image is not clear, i can see little dots [08:36] <DukGalNamu> senile_implant: i have fluxbox [08:37] <apokryphos> brk3: unless that package was made badly ;-) [08:37] <mititelu> anacron i'm not familiar with linux, how do i do that? [08:37] <kenny> hi guys srry to annoy but i need help again [08:37] <joseduenas> budluva, i'm using ndivia drivers dor ubuntu [08:37] <anacron> mititelu: ubotu will give a link for you [08:37] <anacron> !sudo [08:37] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [08:37] <kenny> this is the error message oscommerce gives me FATAL ERROR: register_globals is disabled in php.ini, please enable it! [08:37] <bjw> thnx apokryphos and brk3 [08:37] <kenny> i have enabled it it still wont go away [08:37] <mititelu> thanks [08:37] <kenny> what can i do [08:37] <bjw> i think i am going to install kde fully [08:37] <senile_implant> DukGalNamu, I'd recommend giving opera a try. It supports CSS better than Firefox too [08:37] <bwlang> the light turns on when i tell it to capture but i only see grey... [08:37] <RootX|Arphetic> is paulproteus afk? [08:38] <apokryphos> bjw: very good idea IMO =) [08:38] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Hi. [08:38] <bjw> apokryphos, you use KDE? [08:38] <apokryphos> bjw: indeed [08:38] <brk3> bjw: what did i do to? :) [08:38] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Just follow its directions. [08:38] <RootX|Arphetic> Hi [08:38] <darkheart> kenny You should be asking these questions in a different channel =) I don't think register_globals is a good idea, but I don't remember. Just edit your /etc/php.ini file. [08:38] <bjw> brk3, suggestion [08:38] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: If fdisk says "do something, then reboot", just do it. [08:38] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: MS fdisk works in mystical ways. [08:38] <RootX|Arphetic> I can't [08:38] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Hmm? [08:38] <joseduenas> what video driver is better to use in gxine for dvd playing ? [08:38] <RootX|Arphetic> there is no reboot button on laptop ;) [08:38] <bjw> apokryphos, i have questions about it [08:38] <RootX|Arphetic> thats the problem [08:38] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Turning it off and on is okay, instead, then. [08:38] <h08817> !mount [08:38] <ubotu> mount is probably the command to add partitions to your filesystem. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives [08:38] <bjw> is there a wifi monitor? [08:38] <bwlang> anybody know how to force unmount an nfs mount [08:38] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: You could do ctrl-alt-delete [08:38] <DukGalNamu> senile_implant: nothing in the messages log, but it recorded all three of my restarts since i installed ubuntu about 6 months ago :P [08:39] <RootX|Arphetic> mmm [08:39] <h08817> how do u mount a hd [08:39] <apokryphos> bjw: yes; kwifimanager or something like that [08:39] <kenny> i have enabled it in php.ini but it still comes up with the same error [08:39] <h08817> fdisk? [08:39] <bjw> k [08:39] <RootX|Arphetic> However after that, it doesnt recognise the disk again [08:39] <darkheart> kenny Did you restart apache? [08:39] <kenny> do i have to do that [08:39] <nevin> h08817: lok at the mount manpage [08:39] <paulproteus> RootX|Arphetic: Well, complain to MS then. ;) [08:39] <RootX|Arphetic> rofl [08:39] <darkheart> kenny Are you trying to use a browser-based app? [08:39] <paulproteus> nevin: That's a punishment, not a suggestion. [08:39] <anacron> guys guys! is it possible to have unix backround? [08:39] <h08817> nevin: and? [08:39] <paulproteus> !mount [08:39] <ubotu> methinks mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives [08:40] <senile_implant> DukGalNamu, that's odd it's crashing with no error message [08:40] <paulproteus> !windowsdrives [08:40] <ubotu> windowsdrives is, like, Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically [08:40] <kenny> im using firefox, but i used gedit to modify the file [08:40] <Spudchat> has anyone gotten the linksys WUSB54GP to work in ubuntu? [08:40] <DukGalNamu> senile_implant: i can't seem to find opera in synaptic... [08:40] <Spudchat> it comes with a cd full of windows driver :| but not a single one for linux [08:40] <senile_implant> DukGalNamu, you probably need to downlaod the .deb file from http://www.opera.com [08:40] <DukGalNamu> senile_implant: ok [08:40] <apokryphos> DukGalNamu: they have ubuntu debs there; work well [08:41] <brk3> h08817: sudo mount -t /dev/drive /location [08:41] <DukGalNamu> senile_implant: well, goodby firefox, and goodby pimpzilla theme [08:41] <VnR> anyone could help me , i just installed ubuntu warty 4.10 but i only have a console , how do i get the desktop version ? thx [08:41] <senile_implant> DukGalNamu, lol i hope you find what caused this though [08:41] <brk3> anacron: wha? [08:42] <anacron> brk3: if i change to tty1, can i have backround in there [08:42] <paulproteus> VnR: I urge you to get the more recent Ubuntu release Hoary 05.04 . [08:42] <senile_implant> DukGalNamu, maybe try submitting a bug report with Firefox too [08:42] <nevin> VnR: and make sure not to do a "server"-type install [08:42] <brk3> anacron: dont think so [08:42] <VnR> senile_implant , how do i remove the older version ? [08:42] <apokryphos> VnR: you can just update from there [08:42] <apokryphos> !upgrade [08:42] <ubotu> methinks upgrade is "One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" [08:43] <DukGalNamu> senile_implant: wehre would i do that? [08:43] <iiiears> ubotu keybinding is console command "gnome-keybinding-properties" Need more info https://wiki.ubuntu.com//MultimediaKeys [08:43] <ubotu> okay, iiiears [08:43] <h08817> thanks all [08:43] <senile_implant> DukGalNamu, try googling firefox bugzilla [08:43] <VnR> this is what i did : sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [08:43] <DukGalNamu> senile_implant: and opera is not opensource!!!! [08:43] <iiiears> nickrud - nice tip! :) [08:43] <senile_implant> DukGalNamu, no, it's not [08:44] <apokryphos> VnR: it won't do anything if you don't do the sed stuff [08:44] <apokryphos> VnR: of if you don't manually alter your sources.list [08:44] <VnR> how do i do from within the consloe [08:44] <nickrud> iiiears :) [08:44] <concept10> Where do I go to get the sources for the breezy repos? [08:44] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell VnR about upgrade [08:45] <senile_implant> DukGalNamu, if you need opensource you could also try Epiphany, Galleon, etc [08:45] <concept10> !breezy [08:45] <ubotu> hmm... breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/ [08:45] <EasterSunshine> hello, i am having trouble installing the m4 package, apt-get is requesting the kubuntu cd, but the cd is in 20 pieces in front of me. how can i force it to get m4 from the internet sources? [08:45] <Thewarmachine> hey guys [08:45] <darkheart> EasterSunshine Modify your /etc/apt/sources.list [08:45] <DukGalNamu> senile_implant: actually interestingly enough i have three errors in my javasconsole [08:45] <concept10> apokryphos, you know where the repo list for breezy is? [08:45] <nevin> EasterSunshine: from synaptic, you can disable the cd repository [08:45] <apokryphos> EasterSunshine: remove the cd source from yoru sources.list [08:46] <DukGalNamu> senile_implant: they don't seem like the type that would stop javascript from wroking though [08:46] <apokryphos> concept10: ubuntuguide has an example [08:46] <seb__> hi ubuntu linux channel here? [08:46] <apokryphos> concept10: you may well end up damaging your system though. Proceed at your own peril :D [08:46] <gimbal> for what it's worth, folks might want to recommend the xdebconfigurator package for people setting up xf86 [08:47] <gimbal> I'm just learning of it; haven't used it; i trust the debconf stuff, though [08:47] <DukGalNamu> senile_implant: xml parsing error: no element found [08:47] <concept10> apokryphos, Im pissed off because some breezy packages are in debian stable. [08:47] <senile_implant> DukGalNamu, you don't have like some sorta release of firefox do you? [08:47] <VnR> ok thx guys , i will trying this update [08:47] <apokryphos> concept10: why is that pissing you off. Some breezy packages are in hoary stable [08:48] <DukGalNamu> senile_implant: i have the latest ubuntu version of firefox [08:48] <gimbal> it xdebconfiguator appears to use (originally, RHAT's) kudzu and the 'discover' libraries, for probing the hardware; looks like it can use hwinfo, xresprobe, detect for the same purposes [08:48] <Spudchat> has anyone gotten the linksys WUSB54GP to work in ubuntu? [08:49] <Thewarmachine> dukgalnamu have you fuxed your problem yet [08:49] <Thewarmachine> ? [08:49] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell me about repos [08:50] <darkheart> !repositories [08:50] <ubotu> from memory, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [08:50] <jai> i need some help with setting up tightvnc server [08:50] <jai> darkheart you there? [08:50] <darkheart> jai Yeah, for a bit [08:50] <iiiears> !vnc [08:50] <ubotu> iiiears: Are you smoking crack? [08:50] <darkheart> lol @ iiiears [08:50] <DukGalNamu> Thewarmachine: nope [08:50] <iiiears> !tighvnc [08:50] <ubotu> iiiears: Do they come in packets of five? [08:50] <Thewarmachine> !crack [08:50] <ubotu> The primary cause of people asking me the wrong things. [08:50] <jai> i added the reps and downloaded the correct package [08:50] <darkheart> LOL [08:50] <jai> and it's better [08:50] <iiiears> ubotu you are an amnesiac [08:50] <senile_implant> DukGalNamu, sorry man i've gotta take off. Sorry i couldn't help you more [08:50] <ubotu> iiiears: what are you talking about? [08:51] <jai> but it still does not load the desktop correctly [08:51] <DukGalNamu> senile_implant: that alright..... [08:51] <darkheart> DukGalNamu You have Java installed? [08:51] <darkheart> jai How so? [08:51] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: yeah [08:51] <jai> the logs say, xrdb: no such file or dir [08:51] <darkheart> DukGalNamu This is an outside bet, but try uninstall java and firefox. Then reinstall firefox, and see if it still causes trouble. [08:52] <DukGalNamu> whaooo!!! [08:52] <jai> and option --login is not supported in this version of the gnome terminal [08:52] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: hey, opera crashed [08:52] <darkheart> DukGalNamu How/where? [08:52] <Thewarmachine> man I think opera is overrated [08:52] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: the same place firefox crashe, on my distributers web page [08:53] <darkheart> jai Do you need to log into a separate X session? If you just want to log into the active session, it's built into ubuntu-desktop [08:53] <jai> oh [08:53] <darkheart> DukGalNamu No errors? [08:53] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: nope [08:53] <jai> i just need access to the active session from my xp box [08:53] <darkheart> DukGalNamu It's starting to sound like your system is behaving strangely. [08:53] <jai> sorry, i'm a newbie [08:54] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: ok how do i uninstall java? [08:54] <steve-sharpe> new to ubuntu [08:54] <darkheart> jai Np. In that case, you have it easy. Uninstall that vnc crap, go to System->Preferences->Remote Dekstop. [08:54] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: maybe i should go for a restart? [08:54] <steve-sharpe> has anyone been able to get a Lexmark X74 working? [08:54] <darkheart> jai That's it. [08:54] <darkheart> DukGalNamu When you install packages, do you use Synaptic or command line? [08:54] <jai> oh thanks [08:55] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: when i download a deb i use command line, when its already in the repo i use synaptic [08:55] <darkheart> DukGalNamu Okay, well, use synaptic and do a search for java, see if your installed package comes up. [08:56] <RootX|Arphetic> Isnt there some Partition Magic kinda software on diskette ? [08:57] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: it only finds the free java sdk and java common [08:57] <Thewarmachine> yeah rootx [08:57] <Thewarmachine> you gotta make t first though [08:57] <darkheart> DukGalNamu That's not what you have installed? [08:57] <RootX|Arphetic> ? [08:57] <DukGalNamu> i installed the package from the java website [08:57] <Goodspeed> how do i create a new user in terminal? [08:58] <RootX|Arphetic> omg what a gayhead [08:58] <RootX|Arphetic> :/ [08:58] <Seveas> RootX|Arphetic, language... [08:58] <RootX|Arphetic> sorry :] [08:58] <apokryphos> Goodspeed: adduser <someuser> [08:58] <Seveas> Goodspeed, sudo adduser [08:58] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: it shouldn't give me a latest version... [08:58] <darkheart> DukGalNamu Ah...Hm...You should really stick to the repositories before you go installing other things. [08:58] <Goodspeed> do i have to define a group? [08:58] <Goodspeed> or a password? [08:58] <DanteAlighieri> Anyone know how to mount drives that are seen by a PCI-E SATA card when the drives are seen by the card and the card is seen by Linux? [08:58] <Seveas> a password [08:58] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: in wither case... how do i go about uninstalling it? [08:59] <DukGalNamu> *either [08:59] <Seveas> DanteAlighieri, with mount :) [08:59] <Thewarmachine> !command gcc -v [08:59] <ubotu> Thewarmachine: What? [08:59] <Thewarmachine> lol [08:59] <Thewarmachine> ! gcc -v [08:59] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, Thewarmachine [08:59] <darkheart> DukGalNamu Yeah, that's the problem..I don't know if there is a clean way to uninstall. You might just have to go through and delete the files/dirs. [08:59] <Thewarmachine> lmao [08:59] <darkheart> DukGalNamu You installed it from the binary file you downloaded from the sun site right? [08:59] <poe-t> hi! how do I get mplayer in hoary? [08:59] <Seveas> Thewarmachine, don't play with it.. [08:59] <Seveas> poe-t, enable multiverse [08:59] <tesko> is it possible to install ubuntu using an iso image on a slave drive? [08:59] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: right, i downloaded the .deb [09:00] <RootX|Arphetic> Thewarmachine, my I ask when you will be grown up? [09:00] <Seveas> sun provides no debs [09:00] <gcut> anybody having problems with the ubuntu bittorrent download / tracker lately? [09:00] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: why did it take so long to start having a problem though?? [09:00] <DanteAlighieri> Seveas: :P [09:00] <RootX|Arphetic> may* [09:00] <Seveas> RootX|Arphetic: Please keep the code of conduct in mind when chatting here. You can find it at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct [09:00] <poe-t> Seveas, the repo looks broken unfortunately (dependancies) [09:00] <darkheart> DukGalNamu Ohh..Okay, not the binary file then. You installed the deb? Let me figure out the commands... [09:00] <Seveas> poe-t, don't use mplayer-custom [09:00] <darkheart> DukGalNamu It worked fine before? [09:00] <Ex-Cyber> when reloading package info Synaptic keeps giving me this: "http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)"; what can I do to fix this? [09:00] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: yeah, now its doing this [09:00] <RootX|Arphetic> Seveas, let me just say my opinion about him ONCE ok ? [09:00] <Thewarmachine> mplayer -v [09:00] <DanteAlighieri> Seveas: let me be more clear, the drives aren't in dev [09:01] <Thewarmachine> mplayer -v: [09:01] <Thewarmachine> MPlayer 1.0pre7-3.3.5 (C) 2000-2005 MPlayer Team [09:01] <Thewarmachine> CPU: Intel Pentium 4/Xeon/Celeron Northwood (Family: 8, Stepping: 4) [09:01] <Thewarmachine> Detected cache-line size is 64 bytes [09:01] <Thewarmachine> CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1 [09:01] <Thewarmachine> Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX MMX2 SSE SSE2 [09:01] <RootX|Arphetic> thank you [09:01] <DanteAlighieri> heh [09:01] <RootX|Arphetic> he kept anoying me [09:01] <darkheart> DukGalNamu I don't know...You must have changed something and it affected it somehow. [09:02] <DukGalNamu> ... [09:02] <DanteAlighieri> !dev [09:02] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, DanteAlighieri [09:02] <poe-t> Seveas, Ive installed mplayer-nogui thru it but it plays nothing nut mpg ;-( (I put a lot of codecs to /usr/share/mplayer or wherever mplayer debelopers say they should be) [09:02] <DanteAlighieri> !/dev [09:02] <ubotu> DanteAlighieri: Did you get hit by a windmill? [09:02] <DanteAlighieri> Dammit... [09:02] <varius> hey guys.. i got a question.. i want to try out the ebuntu.. what i have to do: we have 1 server and 7 clients in our school, i'd like to mount the /home directory directly from the server with NFS, then the other problem is, i'd like to create user accounts at the server, so i don't have to do the same stuff at every pc, is that all possible with ebuntu? or is this maybe a wrong channel? i don't know =) [09:02] <DanteAlighieri> Ubuntu [09:02] <Seveas> poe-t, use th w32codecs package from hoary extras [09:02] <DanteAlighieri> This is the right channel to ask in [09:02] <mititelu> i have a problem, my modem isn't working, ubuntu won't find any port for my modem... i have a compaq data/fax modem ... [09:02] <DanteAlighieri> I am the wrong person to help you. ;) [09:03] <Seveas> DanteAlighieri, make device nodes for your drives then [09:03] <darkheart> DukGalNamu Do you still have that java .deb package lying around somewhere? [09:03] <Seveas> look at dmesg to see which [09:03] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: probably.. i forget to toss tuff out alot... [09:03] <Seveas> darkheart, I have a few :) [09:03] <DanteAlighieri> Seveas: Let's pretend I'm a newb... is there an online walkthrough available or a man I can use? [09:03] <Seveas> DanteAlighieri, man mknod [09:03] <DanteAlighieri> ty [09:03] <Seveas> combined with the output of dmesg (look for scsi) [09:03] <Seveas> and google :) [09:04] <DanteAlighieri> Ah, google [09:04] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: nope [09:04] <iiiears> ubotu vnc is http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-36715.html http://www.tightvnc.com/docs.html http://ubuntuguide.org/#configureremotedesktop [09:04] <ubotu> okay, iiiears [09:04] <IcemanV9> Thewarmachine: hmm, you have the latest version of mplayer. where did you get that? compile yourself? [09:04] <gcut> Anybody here can give me any help with an Ubuntu bittorrent dowload? [09:04] <iiiears> !remotedesktop [09:04] <ubotu> iiiears: Do they come in packets of five? [09:04] <darkheart> Seveas If you install a deb package w/ dpkg, how would you search for the name in the db so you could uninstall it? [09:04] <VnR> hi again , the sudo sed command doesnt work , is their a way to remove ubuntu 4.10 [09:04] <pestilence> !firewall [09:04] <ubotu> from memory, firewall is Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter. [09:04] <mititelu> i have a problem, my modem isn't working, ubuntu won't find any port for my modem... i have a compaq data/fax modem ... should i get new drivers or what [09:04] <Seveas> darkheart, dpkg -l [09:05] <darkheart> Seveas Thanks. [09:05] <darkheart> DukGalNamu Try 'dpkg -l|grep java' and see what appears. [09:05] <marcin> hi #ubuntu [09:05] <DanteAlighieri> hi marcin [09:05] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: ii classpath-tool 0.0.20020812-1 Free 'javah', 'javap', 'serialver' equivalen [09:05] <DukGalNamu> ii free-java-sdk 0.4-2 Complete Java SDK environment consisting of [09:05] <iiiears> ubotu remotedesktop is http://ubuntuguide.org/#configureremotedesktop See also !vnc [09:05] <ubotu> okay, iiiears [09:06] <DukGalNamu> ii java-common 0.22 Base of all Java packages [09:06] <marcin> I got a question - are there any plans to develop some open source syncml server? [09:06] <darkheart> DukGalNamu Do you do Java developing? [09:06] <marcin> afaik there are syncml clients available - such as opensync and multisync [09:06] <VnR> hi again , the sudo sed command doesnt work , is their a way to remove ubuntu 4.10 [09:07] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: yeah [09:07] <mititelu> how can i get a modem working?, it won't find any port on autodetect, tried all and none will work [09:07] <DukGalNamu> darkheart: maybe it wasn't a deb.... [09:07] <darkheart> DukGalNamu That java-common entry is the same as I have, and I got mine from the Ubuntu repos. [09:07] <marcin> and there are plans to integrate support for syncml in evo [09:07] <marcin> but I cannot see anything about syncml server [09:07] <DukGalNamu> damn [09:07] <DukGalNamu> !damn [09:07] <ubotu> DukGalNamu: Are you on ritalin? [09:07] <darkheart> DukGalNamu I'm gonna ask Seveas. [09:07] <mititelu> also, can i change the MAC [09:07] <Seveas> that definitely was not a deb [09:07] <DukGalNamu> cool [09:07] <Seveas> and DukGalNamu stop playing with the bot [09:08] <DukGalNamu> ... [09:08] <DukGalNamu> my bot has a better response to !damn :P [09:08] <darkheart> Seveas, DukGalNamu is having trouble with firefox crashing apparently on JavaScript stuff, it doesn't produce any errors though. Any thoughts? [09:08] <fl> ping rrittenhouse [09:08] <apokryphos> DukGalNamu: congrats [09:08] <Seveas> javascript isn't java... [09:09] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: right, but javascript crashes on every web page that sues it in some peticular way [09:09] <mititelu> hello?, can i change my network card's mac in ubuntu?, also can i get a modem working if "autodetect port" doesn't work (i've also tried all ports and none would dial) [09:09] <Seveas> javascript or java? [09:10] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: like i can't log out of yahoo, i can't load the games.yahoo.com page, i can't access my suppliers webpage [09:10] <apokryphos> That's java [09:10] <pestilence> mititelu: yes, see "man ifconfig" [09:10] <VnR> Is their a way to remove ubuntu 4.10 [09:10] <makkk> hi all, can someone help me initialize a startup script that will run when the computer is turned on? (I'm running xfce) [09:10] <mititelu> thanks pestilence [09:10] <n1xt3r> SYSTEM ppc Ubuntu (Debian) GNU/Linux, Kernel 2.6.11, LIBC 2.3.2, GNU Bash Shell | CPU NewWorld PowerBook4,3 750FX, 400MHz, 512K unified Cache, 793 BMIPs | MEM 87/628MB RAM Used, 0/511MB Swap Used | STORAGE 1.0GB ReiserFS, 5.0MB TmpFS, 9.5GB ReiserFS, 10GB ReiserFS, 315MB TmpFS, 447MB Ext3, 447MB Unknown | STATS Uptime 0.08d, Users 1(6), Procs 73(6415), Load 0.11 | X11 1024x768x24bit | http://auk.ca/v [09:11] <Seveas> n1xt3r, don't do that [09:11] <DukGalNamu> apokryphos: no, because if i disable java, it still cannot load [09:11] <poe-t> Seveas, thanks its got better with w32codecs. But it is strange I only get sound with -ao esd ;-) [09:11] <Seveas> poe-t, set that in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf :) [09:11] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: any clue? [09:12] <pestilence> DukGalNamu: mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla-bork [09:12] <poe-t> Seveas, yea.. thanks a lot [09:12] <poe-t> lo/lot [09:12] <apokryphos> DukGalNamu: yahoo games uses java. The page doesn't load at all, or the java doesn't load? [09:12] <fizzle> hey. i have a question. im using wireless g usb adapter. just bought it the other day and was wondering if ubuntu will work with it? [09:13] <DukGalNamu> apokryphos: it doesn't load at all [09:13] <RootX|Arphetic> Is there a way to like... remove all the things a linux installation did? [09:13] <Seveas> DukGalNamu remove all java debs with aptitude purge [09:13] <apokryphos> DukGalNamu: problem with a recent firefox update or always prevalent? And, does java work in other browsers? [09:14] <Seveas> RootX|Arphetic, yes, you can remove all partitions with a partition manager and restore the bootloader [09:14] <DukGalNamu> javascript does not work in other browsers [09:14] <Seveas> javascript isn't java... [09:14] <VnR> ubotu , Is their a way to remove ubuntu 4.10 [09:14] <ubotu> VnR: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [09:14] <nickrud> makkk, you can write a script, drop it in /etc/init.d, and then sudo update-rc.d defaults 99 <scriptname> [09:14] <Seveas> VnR, ubotu is a bot [09:14] <VnR> ok [09:14] <VnR> thx [09:14] <redguy> and a liar [09:14] <VnR> Is their a way to remove ubuntu 4.10 [09:15] <Seveas> sure [09:15] <Seveas> what do you want instead? [09:15] <apokryphos> VnR: as I said before, just upgrade. [09:15] <DukGalNamu> WHOA!!!! [09:15] <RootX|Arphetic> seveas ?? [09:15] <fizzle> anyone know if my wireless g usb adapter will work on ubuntu/ [09:15] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: maybe it wasn't java [09:15] <makkk> nickrud, is there an easy example of a script i could look at. I've never done it [09:15] <RootX|Arphetic> partition manager? [09:15] <RootX|Arphetic> disk druid? [09:15] <VnR> i tried the sudo sed command but that dindnt do anything [09:15] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: per se, like not its fault that it was screwing up [09:15] <Seveas> RootX|Arphetic, like parted or partition magic [09:15] <poe-t> RootX|Arphetic, cfdisk | fdisk [09:16] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: i did what pestilence just told me and i can access the pages now... [09:16] <RootX|Arphetic> err? [09:16] <Seveas> VnR, edit your sources.list, make all warty entries point to hoary instead and apt-get dist-upgrade [09:16] <RootX|Arphetic> cfdisk i can try [09:16] <pestilence> DukGalNamu: :-D [09:16] <RootX|Arphetic> is that able to make on a bootable disket [09:16] <fl> makkk, have a look at the scripts that live in /etc/init.d/ [09:16] <makkk> fl, thanks [09:16] <Seveas> RootX|Arphetic, try a debian boot floppy [09:16] <DukGalNamu> although, i still can't access games.yahoo.com [09:16] <fl> makkk, the pick one, and copy it to a new name [09:17] <VnR> seveas , im downloading the new iso , can i just update/overwrite it , i think for me its lots easier [09:17] <pestilence> DukGalNamu: for that, you need java. [09:17] <poe-t> RootX|Arphetic, umm... you can toggle "bootable" flag w/cfdisk [09:17] <fl> ignore the lines where is says "chkconfig" and so on [09:17] <DukGalNamu> pestilence: i have java :P [09:17] <Seveas> VnR, if you just listen to our advise it'll be even easier [09:17] <pestilence> DukGalNamu: was it installed system-wide, or on a per-user basis? [09:17] <nickrud> makkk, /etc/init.d/sudo is a pretty simple example [09:17] <fizzle> er ive installed ubuntu on my other box but when i start it i get a black screen.. anyone know why? [09:17] <Seveas> VnR, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on a pastebin [09:17] <pestilence> DukGalNamu: and which java runtime did you install? [09:18] <VnR> seveas , this is what i typed , sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -l /etc/apt/sources.list [09:18] <RootX|Arphetic> ? [09:18] <DukGalNamu> pestilence: dang, well at least i can access my suplier now, i still crash when logging out of yahoo [09:18] <RootX|Arphetic> Guys poe-t and Seveas .. ur talking like... klingon to me rofl [09:18] <makkk> nickrud, looking at it, thanks [09:18] <fl> makkk, have a look at the functions in there: that's where the work is usually done. Write a function to do what you want. Then have a look at the "case $1" statement: here you call your worker function [09:18] <iiiears> fizzle - did the live cd work okay on that machine [09:18] <DukGalNamu> pestilence: i believe wither 1.2 or 1.4 [09:19] <fizzle> iiiears; dunno didnt try. i only had 1 blank cd [09:19] <eliUbuntu> anyone know how to find a processing program that is using up all your cpu power? [09:19] <DukGalNamu> java-sablevm???? [09:19] <DukGalNamu> wtf [09:19] <makkk> fl, all I want to do is start a ddclient deamon [09:20] <Seveas> VnR, ehm [09:20] <Seveas> it's an i [09:20] <Seveas> not an l [09:20] <din> how do i keep a user from being able to su in ubuntu? [09:20] <Seveas> sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list [09:20] <din> can't find the wheel group [09:20] <iiiears> fizzle - just wondering if you could copy a working conf file. before trying sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg - (that command and it's options can be tiring easier to copy a working file.) [09:20] <Rydekull> din: dont give them the root-password [09:21] <din> ... [09:21] <VnR> seveas ok , thx i will try that [09:21] <fl> makkk, have a look at /lib/lsb/init-functions [09:21] <din> Rydekull: that's not what i asked heh [09:21] <fl> makkk, you could use start_daemon() to start it [09:21] <FR500> where can i find debs for gaim 1.5? [09:21] <Rydekull> din: well, you said 'su' :) hit su, that is for root :) [09:21] <fizzle> iiiears; the problem is that when grub starts and i select ubuntu it gives me a black screen. but when i choose the recovery mode it starts everything up then it just goes to a black screen [09:21] <din> Rydekull: on most distros if you remove the user from the wheel group they are not allowed to su [09:22] <makkk> fl, looks like it might be installed already. I tried to open a name for it under /etc/init.d, but looks like one is already there. I'll have a look at it. Thanks for the help [09:22] <iiiears> fizzle - no helpful error messages [09:22] <Rydekull> din: not on most, but on some in my view :) [09:22] <gimbal> microsoft likes people to believe that software does anything of its own accord, removed from the people using it - looking at an MSFT dot-croak advert at freshmeat.net [09:22] <fizzle> iiiears; no errors. [09:22] <Seveas> din, ubuntu simply doesn't use a root password [09:22] <din> Rydekull: well not on ubuntu apparently, lol [09:22] <iiiears> ouch - left to guess [09:22] <fizzle> iiiears; it starts everything up like hotplug etc etc and its got the OK beside it then it goes black [09:22] <Rydekull> din: :) [09:23] <din> Seveas: so how do i keep a user from su-ing [09:23] <fizzle> does ubuntu; automatically start the X server? [09:23] <Seveas> din, by not setting a root password... [09:23] <tolstoy> anyone else have probs booting the latest breezy kernel via scsi drives? [09:23] <din> and i also want to lock them into their home dir [09:23] <fizzle> mm brb [09:23] <din> that's the only solution? [09:23] <Seveas> 'lock them in homedir'? [09:23] <din> bah [09:23] <apokryphos> din: unless you make other changes, they are. [09:23] <iiiears> okay - a little more info. - beginning to sound like a xserver (gui manager) prblem again. - what kind of display lcd or crt [09:23] <Seveas> chroot+lots of hard links should do that [09:24] <Seveas> but it's awkward [09:24] <Seveas> why would you want that? [09:24] <makkk> fl, i'm going to restart and see if maybe its already just going to work. otherwise, I'll look at what you said. thanks again [09:24] <din> nm [09:24] <iiiears> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg might fix it [09:25] <iiiears> !display [09:25] <ubotu> rumour has it, display is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto or ask !Resolution [09:25] <fl> makkk, why restart :-) [09:25] <gimbal> so, like I'm coming to notice that, HP rocks the linux printing environment [09:25] <fl> try to run the script without parameters [09:25] <fl> it should tell you the available options [09:25] <floppyears> hi [09:26] <gimbal> imo; they're putting a lot of work into linux printing (for HP printers, 'course) http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/ [09:26] <fl> then do e.g. a "start" as option [09:26] <floppyears> I'm trying to use several admin gui tools in gnome and kde, but they usually ask for the administrator's password [09:26] <gimbal> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=hplip&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all also heh [09:26] <iiiears> brb - my keyboard has dropped a few important characters. - newbie experimentation strikes again. - lol [09:26] <floppyears> I don't have a root password, I got rid of it. Now I use sudo instead. [09:26] <Seveas> floppyears, all these tools should use sudo and your own password :) [09:27] <pekand> msg /zsb h [09:29] <fl> anyone knows where rrittenhouse went? [09:30] <iveqy> hello, I need some help top modify my console ubuntu... I what to change the font and the "style" (don't sure about the name) eg. UTF-8 or ISO-xxx-10 [09:30] <Exo0dus> #ubuntu-es [09:31] <Derkommissar> i think ununtu autogenerates the x config everytine it starts X [09:31] <Derkommissar> is there a way to disable that? [09:31] <mjr> Derkommissar, it doesn't [09:31] <michele> it doesn't [09:31] <Seveas> Derkommissar, Ubuntu does not do that [09:31] <Derkommissar> i make changes to xorg.conf [09:32] <Derkommissar> and when i start ubuntu everything its back to how it was [09:32] <^thehatsrule^> did you save it? [09:32] <mjr> did you check that you've actually successfully saved it at all? [09:32] <FR500> hi, i get gpg errors when running apt-get update, what can i do to fix? [09:32] <Seveas> ...and in /etc/X11 [09:32] <fl> is there a Wiki to document breezy things? [09:32] <Derkommissar> done it like a bunch of times [09:32] <Derkommissar> yes [09:32] <Seveas> FR500, paste the error on the pastebin please [09:32] <floppyears> hi [09:33] <Seveas> fl, what kind of things? [09:33] <floppyears> how can I make it so that gnome and my machine uses utf8 as its locale [09:33] <Seveas> floppyears, dpkg-reconfigure locales [09:33] <FR500> Seveas: http://pastebin.com/339290 [09:33] <mjr> floppyears, what seve said, but if you've installed hoary and not changed the locales, you should have it by default [09:33] <michele> floppyears, you select it in the login screen, but that should be the default [09:34] <Seveas> FR500, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* && sudo apt-get update [09:34] <FR500> Seveas: k, thanks [09:34] <fl> Seveas, like, I found the Wiki page for PowerPC install, dating back to Warty I guess. Note says "needs to updated for Hoary". But then, that's the "current" live documentation, and it's probably not nice to put in there things from the next release. [09:35] <Seveas> fl, you can put breezy specific notes there, just say "For breezy: ....." [09:35] <bjw> apokryphos, is there a way to use [09:35] <bjw> grrr [09:35] <bjw> apokryphos, is there a way to use media keys [09:35] <bjw> the ones on my keyboard [09:35] <rob^> xbindkeys [09:35] <apokryphos> bjw: there should be. Settings -> Configure Shortcuts [09:35] <fl> Seveas, ok. So the Wiki is the canonical doc source, with no branches? [09:36] <bjw> yeah but it doesn't recognize my media keys [09:36] <Seveas> fl, yup [09:36] <rob^> fl, the wiki isn't our only documentation [09:37] <Seveas> the docteam provides official documentation per release [09:37] <rob^> fl, we keep our latest stuff in subversion [09:37] <pestilence> bjw: try using xev to identify the key [09:37] <bjw> nm it recognize it now =) [09:37] <Seveas> the wiki is the user-contributed area where the docteam takes things from [09:37] <IcemanV9> just curious - what database you can use with mergeant?? mysql? oracle? ?? [09:37] <bjw> weird [09:37] <apokryphos> bjw: if X recognises the keys, then that should, or (at least) KHotKeys should -- that app has been a little shaky in Hoary, though, unfortunately. [09:37] <bjw> it wouldn't do it when i ran another X session [09:38] <fl> rob^, mind pasting a repo link? [09:38] <floppyears> thanks [09:38] <rob^> fl: http://www.linuxhd.com/ubuntufaq/faqi386/C/index.html [09:39] <michele> this is weird... the num lock led isn't working when in X.... [09:39] <rob^> thats the latest build of the FAQ Guide [09:39] <apokryphos> bjw: if X doesn't recognise them, then there's nothing that kde can do; if it does, then khotkeys at the very least, will. [09:39] <keke> i made changes to /boot/grub/menu.lst so that WindowsXP is my first bootable choice. how do i apply these changes? [09:39] <rob^> fl, if you want the actual subversion repo, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamRepository [09:39] <^thehatsrule^> keke: thats it, just save it, grub boot stage 2 will find it [09:39] <keke> so reboot? [09:40] <apokryphos> bjw: gotta dash now; you might ask other kde-related Qs in #kubuntu if you're still having problems [09:40] <apokryphos> adieu [09:40] <keke> All I did was chansge the order of OS's listed is that proper? [09:40] <keke> way to edit the config file [09:40] <bjw> k [09:40] <keke> alright ill try it hopefully i dint break anything [09:40] <zerboxx> what is the terminal command to lock the screen? [09:41] <concept10> how may I solve this problem: cpufrequtils depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1); however: [09:41] <concept10> Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu14. [09:41] <Spudchat> so i got the linksys WUSB54GP wireless usb adapter to run with linuxant [09:41] <Spudchat> but i cant connect to the network...i see its mac address but it cant do anything [09:41] <Spudchat> any ideas? [09:42] <fl> rob^, thanks for the second link :-) [09:42] <rob^> np [09:42] <floppyears> hi [09:42] <rob^> its pretty much decided that the FAQ Guide will be our main documentation for breezy [09:43] <rob^> available locally via yelp [09:43] <iveqy> hello, I need some help top modify my console ubuntu... I what to change the font and the "style" (don't sure about the name) eg. UTF-8 or ISO-xxx-10. [09:43] <floppyears> does ubuntu have any guides or how to's in how to running server type things? [09:43] <kenny> hi guys, is there any mysql experts here [09:43] <rob^> floppyears, it will with breezy [09:43] <rob^> floppyears, for now see the wiki [09:43] <pestilence> iveqy: try dpkg-reconfigure locales [09:44] <zerboxx> what is the terminal command to lock the screen? [09:44] <iveqy> pestilence thx, is that a text mode command? [09:44] <concept10> where is the best place to find the status of breezy, I want to get some packages from breezy that are not working in hoary [09:44] <kenny> i cant get mysql server to start, any help [09:44] <floppyears> rob^: thank [09:44] <rob^> concept10, see packages.ubuntu.com [09:44] <Kyral> God I love Ubuntu [09:44] <pestilence> iveqy: yup [09:45] <pestilence> zerboxx: xscreensaver-command -lock ? [09:45] <concept10> I have the packages, they just do not work, i need to upgrade to breezy [09:45] <floppyears> kenny: /etc/init.d/mysql start [09:45] <zerboxx> pestilence: thanks! [09:45] <xliu> hi ,everyone, why can not I input Chinese in KDE. my SCIM input method works well in Gnome. [09:45] <c0rrupt_> !chinese [09:45] <ubotu> c0rrupt_: Did you get hit by a windmill? [09:45] <pestilence> !chinese [09:45] <terminal|giga> because gnome > kde [09:45] <c0rrupt_> LOL [09:45] <terminal|giga> =) [09:45] <kenny> i have tried that floppy ears but i get this error ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/ mysqld.sock' (2) [09:46] <c0rrupt_> !fonts [09:46] <ubotu> well, fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto [09:46] <pestilence> how come he didn't answer me? :'( [09:46] <LathropWells> !scim [09:46] <ubotu> rumour has it, scim is Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Language input. http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/scim/ [09:46] <rob^> concept10, are you sure older versions are not available in hoary [09:46] <LathropWells> hehe [09:46] <rob^> !backports [09:46] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section [09:46] <c0rrupt_> xD [09:46] <concept10> Yes. [09:46] <c0rrupt_> http://www.big-boys.com/articles/prankcall7.html [09:46] <pestilence> not only that, i *told* ubotu about chinese. [09:46] <c0rrupt_> lmfao [09:46] <rob^> dam it doesn't list the official ones [09:46] <concept10> !info cpufrequtils [09:46] <c0rrupt_> *told* [09:46] <EBowles> is there a way I can reinstall ubuntu without it getting rid of the stuff in my users directory? [09:46] <c0rrupt_> !tell c0rrupt_ about ubuntu [09:47] <pestilence> !smack [09:47] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, pestilence [09:47] <rob^> EBowles, the easiest way is to have a seperate /home partition [09:47] <EasterSunshine> by backing up the things in your usr directory? [09:47] <concept10> cpufrequtils is only in breezy [09:47] <xliu> no, I mean ,i have both gnome and kde installed. my SCIM works well in gnome,but it does not in kde [09:47] <thespiritoftal> how can i install kde to ubuntu? [09:47] <thespiritoftal> can i install it with apt-get? [09:48] <DukGalNamu> pestilence: that took a LONG time to respond!!! [09:48] <ronin_> hi all [09:48] <EBowles> or maybe ya'll know how to fix this, when I boot, and it says "uncompressing linux" I get a "crc error [09:48] <EBowles> " [09:48] <floppyears> thespiritoftal: probably yes [09:48] <mjr> thespiritoftal, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [09:48] <pestilence> DukGalNamu: ? [09:48] <EasterSunshine> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [09:48] <concept10> Anyone know where to get good info about updating to breezy? [09:48] <michele> concept10, in the topic [09:49] <concept10> michele, I dont care about that, that is for new users, im looking for info [09:49] <n45800> Can someone help me with configuring LDAP login settings? [09:49] <n45800> I have it almost working [09:49] <n45800> (users show up in getent passwd) [09:50] <EBowles> or maybe ya'll know how to fix this, when I boot, and it says "uncompressing linux" I get a "crc error" [09:50] <kenny> can anyone help me with my problem please [09:50] <n45800> but whenever I try to login it says incorret username or pass [09:50] <c0rrupt_> kenny have a bone [09:50] <Seveas> EBowles, eeek [09:50] <mjr> EBowles, the kernel file has been corrupted [09:50] <Seveas> sounds like you need to reinstall the kernel [09:50] <mjr> EBowles, I'd be suspicious of your hardware [09:50] <c0rrupt_> eekz0r [09:50] <Seveas> and that too.. [09:50] <mjr> but yeah, a kernel reinstall may fix it. for now. [09:50] <kenny> corrupt? [09:50] <EBowles> :/ [09:51] <c0rrupt_> hello [09:51] <kenny> what does that mean [09:51] <c0rrupt_> use chocolate [09:51] <ronin_> i've got just a little question... if i install linux as second os and if i ever want to uninstall it ... does grub still rest on the master boot record [09:51] <rob^> concept10, if you don't know how to do it by yourself then you probably shouldn't [09:51] <EBowles> how can I reinstall the kernel? Just reinstall ubuntu? [09:51] <n45800> you can install a new one with apt [09:51] <n45800> let me get the package name [09:51] <EBowles> I can't boot though [09:51] <n45800> :/ [09:51] <pestilence> EBowles: use a rescue cd [09:51] <concept10> You dont understand my question, I know how to upgrade. I was looking for the status of the breezy [09:52] <crashd> ronin_: yes, but in xp you can use the recovery console to fix the mbr to use the windows bootloader [09:52] <ronin_> @ebowles: do you have a notebook? [09:52] <c0rrupt_> !pastebin [09:52] <ubotu> somebody said pastebin was a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl [09:52] <crashd> same goes for any other bootloader really [09:52] <EBowles> no [09:52] <EBowles> but I have this desktop right next to it [09:52] <n45800> does anyone here have experience with LDAP login? :/ [09:53] <n45800> i need to get this working [09:53] <n45800> or else we have to install XP only :/ [09:53] <ronin_> @crashd: how does that go? is it right just to run windows as normal and then change to dos-mode and (i believe) type in "fixmbr -parameters"? [09:53] <michele> concept10, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyGoals [09:53] <concept10> I'm pissed because I finally get something working and the package I need to install is only in breezy, but it is also available in all Debian releases. None of the packages work because of libc6 dependencies [09:53] <zerboxx> In ubuntu, when you do "find" what is the command for that? [09:53] <c0rrupt_> Seveas, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1338 please [09:53] <Derkommissar> ubuntu is running an auto config everytime it starts X [09:53] <Derkommissar> xf86AutoConfig: Primary PCI is 1:5:0 [09:53] <Derkommissar> Running "/usr/X11R6/bin/getconfig -X 60802000 -I /etc/X11,/usr/X11R6/etc/X11,/us r/X11R6/lib/modules,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/getconfig -v 0x1002 -d 0x5835 -r 0x00 -s 0x1179 -b 0xff02 -c 0x0300" [09:53] <pestilence> zerboxx: for finding files [09:54] <zerboxx> pestilence: yup [09:54] <pestilence> zerboxx: or anything else. [09:54] <zerboxx> pestilence: files [09:54] <xliu> today I installed KDE,(I already have Gnome) but it is strange that the input method SCIM which works well in gnome does not work in KDE, I can not trigger it when inputing. any suggestions everyone? [09:54] <pestilence> the command is....drumroll....find :-D [09:54] <c0rrupt_> Seveas, is the syntax wrong or does my driver not support monitor [09:54] <zerboxx> but that just spits a lot of stuff out at the console [09:54] <pestilence> zerboxx: didn't understand your question. but you could also try "locate" [09:54] <pestilence> zerboxx: find -name "myfile" [09:54] <c0rrupt_> plix [09:55] <zerboxx> pestilence: is there a command for the gui though? [09:55] <pestilence> zerboxx: no clue. [09:55] <c0rrupt_> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1338 [09:55] <n45800> go to Places -> search for files [09:55] <zerboxx> pestilence: (trying to setup a media keyboard and I'm not using gnome, so that's why) [09:55] <n45800> in gnome [09:55] <zerboxx> n45800: :) and the terminal command for that would be? [09:55] <Seveas> c0rrupt_, try monitor [09:55] <Seveas> and not all cards support it [09:56] <Ex-Cyber> my dialup connection seems to stall a lot on hoary; connections will stop transferring for a while and then dump a bunch of data all at once... is there a setting somewhere that would affect this or should I just go yell at my ISP? ;) [09:56] <n45800> let me check syntax [09:56] <n45800> bet either find or locate [09:56] <pestilence> zerboxx: i'm confused. you want a command line app or a gui? [09:56] <c0rrupt_> Seveas, same error [09:56] <n45800> he wants a command line app [09:57] <n45800> that does the same thing as Search For Files in GUI [09:57] <zerboxx> pestilence: I want the gui, but the command to run the gui :D [09:57] <Seveas> c0rrupt_, then your driver does not support it [09:57] <n45800> ? [09:57] <c0rrupt_> bleh [09:57] <n45800> startx? [09:57] <c0rrupt_> that sucks [09:57] <michele> zerboxx, the command is gnome-search-tool [09:57] <pestilence> zerboxx: just use find/locate :) [09:57] <zerboxx> michele: Thank you!! [09:57] <c0rrupt_> i got debowned [09:58] <michele> zerboxx, but you should be able to configure your keys in preferences -> keyboard shortcuts [09:58] <michele> zerboxx, and there you don't need to know the executable name [09:58] <zerboxx> michele: I'm not in gnome though :) I'm running fvwm and I'm setting up hotkeys [09:58] <michele> oh ok [09:58] <zerboxx> michele: That's why it seems like I'm making it more confusing than I need to [09:59] <n45800> Does anyone know about settung up LDAP login? [09:59] <H3PO> is there a way to activate the framebuffer in ubuntu-breezy? [09:59] <fl> hmm, the missing X symlink in /usr/bin/X11 in breezy is probably old, old news? [09:59] <LathropWells> !keybinding 0r dpkg-reconfigure locales (nice tip thx seveas) [09:59] <ubotu> LathropWells: Are you on ritalin? [09:59] <ronin_> @all: bye [09:59] <LathropWells> !keybinding [09:59] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, keybinding is console command "gnome-keybinding-properties" Need more info https://wiki.ubuntu.com//MultimediaKeys [10:00] <LathropWells> !alias [10:00] <ubotu> LathropWells: Do they come in packets of five? [10:00] <surfdue> heyhey [10:00] <c0rrupt_> !help [10:00] <Razor-X> ubotu: TCP [10:00] <ubotu> Razor-X: Did you get hit by a windmill? [10:00] <Razor-X> errr [10:00] <Razor-X> ubotu: TCP [10:00] <Razor-X> ahhhh [10:01] <Razor-X> I was hoping he'ld say ``Do they come in packets of five?'' [10:01] <Razor-X> :) [10:01] <surfdue> how do install kernal source for 2.6.10-5 ? [10:01] <LathropWells> lol [10:01] <surfdue> I cant seem to find the apt-get package [10:01] <pestilence> surfdue: apt-get install linux-source-`uname -r` [10:01] <LathropWells> http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/index.htm - nice info on tcp and everything else WWW [10:02] <Loiosh> apt-get source kernel works as well [10:02] <surfdue> apt-get install linux-source-`uname -r` [10:02] <surfdue> E: Unable to find a source package for kernal [10:02] <fabbione> Loiosh: no it doesn't [10:02] <lee> is it just me, or does middle clicking on a tab in firefox close the tab? [10:02] <fooblubb> Hi, I'm desperately trying to install ubuntu but my setup seems sub-ideal :-S [10:02] <fabbione> there is no package called kernel [10:02] <fooblubb> I [10:03] <pestilence> surfdue: kernal?? [10:03] <Loiosh> I meant version =) [10:03] <surfdue> 2.6.10-5 [10:03] <ubuntu> \join unamenshipu [10:03] <fl> ahh, the jpys of FVWM :-) [10:03] <n45800> lee: yes it does [10:03] <fooblubb> I've got a DVD containing 4.05 but I can't use that directly because of my CD-only-drive. [10:04] <pestilence> surfdue: sorry. linux-source-2.6.10 [10:04] <surfdue> ok i did a major upgrade to kernal 2.6.10-5 [10:04] <surfdue> but when i do uname-r it dosnt think i have 2.6.10-5 [10:04] <pestilence> surfdue: they leave off the minor versions i guess. [10:04] <surfdue> it thinks i have 2.6.8 [10:04] <n45800> hmm [10:04] <surfdue> how do i fix this [10:04] <fooblubb> now I tried to make the ubuntu files into an ISO on my harddrive and with the hd-... initrd it even finds my iso [10:04] <pestilence> surfdue: if all you want is the headers, it's linux-headers-`uname -r` [10:04] <n45800> did you restart in the new kernel? [10:04] <Seveas> surfdue, are you on warty? [10:04] <surfdue> corerct [10:05] <Seveas> then it's ok :) [10:05] <fooblubb> but then It goes weard because there's the wrong modules in the ISO [10:05] <Seveas> warty has 2.6.8 [10:05] <Ex-Cyber> lee: it's not just you [10:05] <surfdue> it does? [10:05] <Seveas> yup [10:05] <surfdue> no i have the laterst kernal [10:05] <lee> ok, good =) [10:05] <surfdue> i did kernal upgrade [10:05] <surfdue> wait [10:05] <surfdue> i have hory [10:05] <lee> I'm not even going to hazard a guess as to why [10:05] <surfdue> i think [10:05] <surfdue> hoary [10:05] <surfdue> yea [10:05] <surfdue> i have hoary [10:06] <surfdue> i did a distupgrade etc to hoary [10:06] <surfdue> it upgraded klernal [10:06] <n45800> If anyone can help, I am at a school where they have LDAP Logins, they want to install Linux, but we cannot get LDAP working fully [10:06] <surfdue> it just uname -r wont show it [10:06] <Loiosh> Ahh, there we are [10:06] <Seveas> surfdue, then install linux-686 (or linux-k7 if you have amd) [10:06] <n45800> it finds the users [10:06] <Loiosh> apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 ? [10:06] <n45800> but cannot login [10:06] <ubuntu> \join #unamenshipu [10:06] <surfdue> how do i fix uname [10:06] <n45800> if not fixed by fri, no dual boot :/ [10:06] <surfdue> its just an id problem [10:06] <Seveas> ubuntu, please stop spamming.... [10:07] <surfdue> ok im doing what u said, install linux-686 [10:08] <surfdue> nice [10:09] <guillem> I have a problem, I need set acpi=noirq at kernel boot options. How to? [10:09] <surfdue> still didnt fix [10:09] <surfdue> uname -r still shows 2.6.8 [10:09] <Seveas> guillem, add that parameter to the #kopt line [10:10] <pestilence> guillem: edit /boot/grub/menu.list [10:10] <Seveas> surfdue, reboot and choose the correct kernel [10:10] <n45800> surfdue: did you restart in the new kernel? [10:10] <Adkron> I'm using kubuntu, but wanted to see if anyone here is having this problem [10:10] <surfdue> no [10:10] <surfdue> how do i [10:10] <surfdue> how do i choose the right kernal? [10:10] <pestilence> sorry, menu.lst [10:10] <n45800> surfdue: restart computer, choose new kernel in list [10:10] <Adkron> When I use the config manager and have to put in a password for admin mode it never goes into admin [10:11] <jorgp2> how easy is the migration from hoary to breezy? [10:11] <surfdue> brb [10:11] <LokeDK> How do I emulate a .adf file? (Amiga Disk Format) [10:11] <Adkron> If I put in the wrong password it tells me, but if I put in the right one it never allows me to do things such as change the time or add users [10:11] <mjr> jorgp2, it will be easy. It's probably not easy now, as breezy is liable to be broken. [10:11] <guillem> ok, thank you [10:11] <Doonz> so say i have like a gig of pc2100 ram sitting around coudl i throw it in my box with pc3200 ram? [10:13] <n45800> Again, can anyone help with LDAP? [10:13] <mrson> alguien me puede ayudar con postgresql????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? [10:14] <michele> !es [10:14] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. [10:14] <ilpum> how do i format a USB stick? [10:14] <michele> ilpum, as with other devices: mkfs [10:15] <n45800> I followed the instructions here http://craige.mcwhirter.com.au/blog/archive/2005/01/17/making_a_debian_or_ubuntu_mach [10:15] <n45800> and the users are found [10:15] <n45800> but they cannot login [10:15] <killahkosha> Where can I get the Ubuntu 5.10 iso? [10:15] <killahkosha> the cdimage.ubuntu.com is down [10:16] <kezz> killahkosha, does linuxiso.org have one for you? [10:16] <kezz> also try distrowatch.org [10:16] <Seveas> releses.ubuntu.com [10:16] <Seveas> releases.ubuntu.com [10:16] <ilpum> @michele does this also work with mp3 players? [10:16] <Seveas> and cdimage.u.c works fine too [10:17] <ipstacks> I am trying to setup Ubuntu in server mode and access it via VNC. I installed tight vnc server but I can't get to it remotely [10:18] <michele> ilpum, probably, if your device uses fat and doesn't need some special file or dir structure (the shuffle does require them, for example) [10:18] <ipstacks> Does anyone know what I am doing wrong? [10:18] <killahkosha> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com says me the address cannot be found [10:18] <LathropWells> ubotu alias is Create your own shorter timesaving console commands. http://ubuntuguide.org/ http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_03_05.html http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Alias [10:18] <ubotu> LathropWells: okay [10:18] <killahkosha> and releases.ubuntu.com doesn't have any 5.10 stuff [10:18] <ilpum> can you please give me an example of the command? ^.^' [10:18] <michele> ipstacks, tried with prefernces -> remote desktop [10:19] <ipstacks> michele: what are you saying? I don't have the GUI installed. [10:19] <kezz> killahkosha, get the 5.04 iso then update [10:19] <GrayMagiker> Hey, is there a linux anti virus that works well with ubuntu? [10:20] <SolitaryCritic> the real question here is, is it possible to change your online time with gaim [10:20] <echylo_> GrayMagiker, yes but why scanning ubuntu? ;) [10:20] <LathropWells> clam or f-prot are very nice the are others [10:20] <worthawholebean> Hi. I'm having problems installing Ubuntu on my Mac. Yaboot won't install. [10:20] <n45800> GrayMagiker: GrayMagiker [10:20] <n45800> gah [10:20] <LathropWells> clamav [10:20] <echylo_> yes that one [10:20] <echylo_> I was looking for it [10:20] <hess_> can some please tell me ,what do I have to install to have the 'import' command ? [10:20] <n45800> GrayMagiker: http://ubuntuguide.org/#antivirusserver [10:20] <echylo_> I used it to scan a windows HD [10:20] <GrayMagiker> echylo_ why not? [10:20] <killahkosha> kezz: i alreay tried doing that, didn't work [10:20] <echylo_> cause it is not really necessary [10:21] <killahkosha> kezz: broke the system [10:21] <LinuxJones> ipstacks, I don;t knwo about that app but usually any servers only listen on localhost for security reasons. You may have to modify your apps config settings to allow outside networks to connect. [10:21] <Seveas> hess_, 'import' command? [10:21] <hess_> yeah [10:21] <worthawholebean> hess_: Is that Objective-C? [10:21] <GrayMagiker> better safe than sorry [10:21] <hess_> you know [10:21] <Seveas> no [10:21] <kezz> killahkosha, how do you mean, what did you do? [10:21] <hess_> import -window root shoot.jpg [10:21] <worthawholebean> Meaning #import? [10:21] <ipstacks> linuxjones: thanks [10:21] <GrayMagiker> Thanks guys for your help, I should have looked there first [10:21] <hess_> ?? [10:21] <LinuxJones> ipstacks, GL [10:21] <worthawholebean> I guess not. [10:21] <killahkosha> kezz: well i changed my sources for apt-get to the 5.10 sources, and then typed apt-get dist-upgrade [10:21] <Seveas> hess_, there is no such command, be a bit more specific... [10:22] <n45800> GrayMagiker: np :P [10:22] <oxez> how can I set my system's default charset to ISO-8859-1? [10:22] <hess_> ok,I'll give you the man [10:22] <mjr> hmh, was there a way to detect the presence of multiple CPUs on a single-CPU kernel? [10:22] <killahkosha> kezz: then I got this weird error about libgl1_dri I think it was [10:22] <worthawholebean> hess_: Never mind. [10:22] <kezz> killahkosha, is 5.10 breezy? or updated hoary? [10:22] <michele> hess_, image magik [10:22] <Seveas> oxez, dpkg-reconfigure locales [10:22] <hess_> you'll see that there is [10:22] <SolitaryCritic> how can I change my onlime time on gaim? Can I just access the document where the settings and stuff are stored and then just change the number [10:22] <killahkosha> kezz: breezy [10:22] <LathropWells> amazing how well it works. - the same functionality in windows is always called an enterprise or server version and costs hundreds - the marvels of open source apps. :) [10:22] <kezz> killahkosha, you shouldn't be using breezy really [10:22] <hess_> Seveas: Seveas [10:22] <Seveas> hess_, what does it do? [10:22] <killahkosha> kezz: well it has my printer driver, unlike hoary [10:22] <hess_> http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl1_import.htm [10:22] <kezz> killahkosha, it goes stable pretty soon [10:22] <michele> hess_, import is in image magick [10:23] <kezz> killahkosha, but isn't released yet [10:23] <killahkosha> kezz: when? [10:23] <senile_implant> kezz, like 2 months [10:23] <hess_> you can shot you screen etc. [10:23] <hess_> tnx michele [10:23] <Seveas> that.. [10:23] <senile_implant> 2 months isn't exactly that soon [10:23] <killahkosha> kezz: I know it releases in October, but when does it go stable before that? [10:23] <Seveas> imagemagick indeed [10:23] <SolitaryCritic> or is the online time kept on the aim server? [10:23] <senile_implant> killahkosha, you can't just download the driver for hoary? [10:23] <kezz> killahkosha, no you should probably wait for official release in oct [10:23] <kezz> killahkosha, have you tried compiling the driver in by hand? [10:23] <worthawholebean> Anyway, my Yaboot won't install. I'm using a Mac with one partition and three gigs of free space. I then have Ubuntu partition the free space for me, but Yaboot won't install. It sasy that it can't be installed into /target [10:23] <michele> hess_, from that page "For a more detailed description of each option, see ImageMagick(1)." [10:24] <SolitaryCritic> how can I change my onlime time on gaim? Can I just access the document where the settings and stuff are stored and then just change the number, or is it stored on the aim server [10:24] <hess_> lol [10:24] <LathropWells> ubotu are you an amnesiac? [10:24] <ubotu> No idea, LathropWells [10:24] <hess_> didn't see that,sorry ;> [10:24] <LathropWells> !yaboot [10:24] <ubotu> LathropWells: I give up, what is it? [10:24] <rathel> My IPOD auto-mounts fine under Gnome but, It doesn't under fluxbox, how do I fix htis? [10:24] <LathropWells> doh! [10:25] <senile_implant> SolitaryCritic, you probably need a plugin to do this. i think there's one called idle maker or something [10:25] <SolitaryCritic> but thats for idol time [10:25] <killahkosha> kezz: Yes, I had tried, I installed gcc and all that, gcc-cpp and the whatnot, all that stuff, make and everything, but when I'd go "./configure" it wasn't able to find cc or gcc [10:25] <oxez> Seveas, firefox still starts with UTF-8, even if my website use iso-8859-1 [10:25] <SolitaryCritic> I need all around time [10:25] <Spudchat> has anyone gotten the linksys WUSB54GP to work in ubuntu? [10:25] <hess_> tnx very very much,works =))) [10:25] <michele> rathel, gnome-volume-manager is mounting it [10:25] <senile_implant> SolitaryCritic, it's probably not possible [10:25] <SolitaryCritic> damnit [10:25] <rathel> so just load that on startup? [10:25] <senile_implant> SolitaryCritic, you can't see someone's online time in gaim anyway [10:26] <senile_implant> just away time [10:26] <senile_implant> oh wait nm you can with icq [10:26] <funkyHat> senile_implant, you can with aim too [10:26] <Seveas> oxez, then send correct headers with your website [10:26] <senile_implant> funkyHat, yeah i would have assumed so [10:26] <surfdue> is there an easy way to install my ati radeon 9200 graphic cards driver? [10:27] <Seveas> !ati [10:27] <ubotu> ati is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI [10:27] <kezz> killahkosha, you need to apt-get install build-essential [10:27] <H3PO> is there a way to activate the framebuffer in ubuntu-breezy without to build the kernel bye my self? [10:27] <TylerE> I'm running into a weird issue. For some reason I can't connect to anything on my local machine (IE: ssh) from itself. I don't get a connection failed error or anything, the connection just hangs [10:27] <oxez> Seveas, that's what I do, but firefox sets UTF-8 with every website [10:27] <killahkosha> kezz, oh, ok, lemme reinstall Hoary then ;) [10:27] <mjr> surfdue, you should have a working driver with 3d accel by default; if you still want the proprietary one, see seveas [10:28] <alex__> I have published my xorg.conf there http://pastebin.com/339335 Can someone PLEASE tell me what I do wrong, I CAN't both of my monitor working at the same time [10:28] <surfdue> wont load [10:28] <TylerE> I think it may be some sort of routing issue [10:28] <surfdue> i cant get to the ubuntu wiki [10:28] <TylerE> For instance if I try to nmap localhost, it says it can't figure out how to route packets to 127.0.0.1 [10:28] <n45800> Tyler: check your hosts file [10:29] <n45800> getent hosts [10:29] <muffin_> hi [10:29] <surfdue> nvm got it [10:29] <muffin_> should totem be natively able to play MP3?? [10:29] <TylerE> n45800: hosts looks okay. first line is 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain [10:29] <senile_implant> who controls ubotu? [10:29] <michele> alex__, you need two Device secions [10:30] <Seveas> senile_implant, why do you need to know that? [10:30] <michele> alex__, and you need to put Screen 0 and Screen 1 in them [10:30] <senile_implant> Seveas, for a suggestion [10:30] <Seveas> senile_implant, tell us :) [10:30] <senile_implant> !ati should be http:// instead of https:// [10:30] <ubotu> senile_implant: Did you get hit by a windmill? [10:31] <muffin_> totem: There were no decoders found to handle the stream in file "mp3", you might need to install the corresponding plugins [10:31] <surfdue> hmm can i reboot [10:31] <surfdue> without leaving this chat [10:31] <senile_implant> ubotu, huh? [10:31] <surfdue> :P [10:31] <ubotu> senile_implant: Are you on ritalin? [10:31] <Seveas> senile_implant, all wiki urls are reachable by both http and https [10:31] <surfdue> that be cool [10:31] <michele> alex__, here's mine, working: http://pastebin.com/339342 [10:31] <surfdue> brb [10:31] <senile_implant> blah whatever. [10:31] <senile_implant> fine then [10:31] <EBowles> will memtest fix my crc error? [10:31] <Seveas> don't let the bot hurt your feelings :) [10:32] <TylerE> whoah, something is majorly borked [10:32] <TylerE> I can't even *ping* localhst [10:32] <Seveas> TylerE, ifup lo [10:32] <muffin_> should totem be natively able to play MP3?? [10:32] <reiki> muffin: no [10:32] <Seveas> muffin_, not out of the box [10:32] <muffin_> thx [10:32] <michele> !mp3 [10:32] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support [10:32] <TylerE> interface is already up [10:32] <muffin_> so why mp3 is linked to totem??? [10:34] <Revan999> Hello , I have just placed an order for this ubuntu on the website [10:34] <thespiritoftal> can i install xlib-dev using apt-get? [10:34] <Revan999> I am a noob about anything lunix so will this be as simple as I am told ? [10:35] <reiki> Revan999: yes [10:35] <ilpum_> sorry, michele, the internet connection -.- [10:35] <hussam> what kernel does breezy have. On Distrowatch, it says 2.6.12.10 when the latest is 2.6.12.5 [10:35] <pinko> depends who's talking [10:35] <muffin_> lunix [10:35] <funkyHat> Revan999, yes, it really will :) [10:35] <pinko> Revan999: it will be FUN though! [10:35] <the--dud> in my opinion, linux is not primarly simple, but rather powerful and agile because of its basic complex structure [10:35] <reiki> what program will I want to install so that I can burn CDs? I burn data, music, and iso. Thanks [10:36] <Niki-> hello [10:36] <the--dud> reiki, k3b and/or gnomebaker [10:36] <Niki-> can someone help me? [10:36] <surfdue> im back! [10:36] <surfdue> :P [10:36] <funkyHat> Revan999, and where it isn't, #ubuntu is a great community and someone will be willing to help you with anything you have trouble with [10:36] <roham_> I installed experience theme engine? how do I start it? [10:36] <bimberi> reiki: gnomebaker, graveman or k3b [10:36] <senile_implant> Niki-, no, sorry :( [10:36] <Niki-> lol [10:36] <Niki-> well [10:36] <reiki> thanks... [10:36] <Niki-> i found a ubuntu tutorial for my printer [10:36] <the--dud> Just Ask (TM) niki [10:36] <Niki-> canon i250 [10:37] <Niki-> the problem is, its for 32 bit [10:37] <Niki-> iam on 64 [10:37] <TylerE> *bangs head on desk* [10:37] <ilpum_> somebody help me :( I want to format my usbstick... [10:37] <reiki> trying to get everything set to replace XP.. Not having too much difficulty. This could be easier than I thought [10:37] <TylerE> basically it seems as if the machine is ignoreing anything INCOMING [10:37] <Revan999> I have used Knoppix a few times and it automaticly picks up my hard wear set up , this will do the same yes? [10:37] <Niki-> you need to alien a rpm driver package [10:37] <TylerE> I can't even ping localhost [10:37] <Niki-> and well that failes [10:37] <roham_> I installed experience theme engine? how do I start it? [10:37] <n45800> ilpum: can you use gparted? [10:37] <funkyHat> TylerE, have you followed the restricted formats tutorial on the wiki? [10:37] <bimberi> Revan999: yes. In fact that's a good sign that ubuntu will work well for you [10:37] <reiki> Revan999: I've installed on 2 machines in the last 3 days and I didn't have to mess with anything. It found hardware just fine [10:38] <ilpum_> no, it hangs up -_- [10:38] <nebular> is there any way to get k3b to burn nrg files? [10:38] <roham_> Another problem I have is that gnome dosnt login if I have my internet cable plugged in... what should I do... I think its something with the interface file... anyone= [10:38] <roham_> ? [10:38] <TylerE> funkyHat: Nope. You saying I might have a firewall or semething wihtout realising it? [10:38] <TylerE> One thing I should note is that I'm running a custom kernel [10:38] <TylerE> but all the networking stuff is enabled, so... [10:38] <funkyHat> TylerE, is this the mp3 not playing issue? [10:39] <surfdue> nice [10:39] <TylerE> funkyHat: Huh? [10:39] <senile_implant> TylerE, what if some of the networking stuff blocks pings? lol [10:39] <funkyHat> ok, someone else [10:39] <funkyHat> sorry :) [10:39] <TylerE> funkyHat: No, I think you've got me confused. [10:39] <surfdue> ok now what i need, i cant seem to get a program called skype to work [10:39] <ilpum_> can anyone tell me an example command? [10:39] <TylerE> it's like I have a firewall that rejects anything incoming [10:39] <surfdue> its a deb pakcage, i have it when i click to open it nothing happens [10:39] <icewt> surfdue, dpkg -i *.deb [10:39] <Derkommissar> How can i figure out if im running xorg or xfree86 ? [10:39] <michele> ilpum_, what about man mkfs? [10:40] <funkyHat> TylerE, what services are you running that you want to connect to? [10:40] <surfdue> icewt i got it from apt-get [10:40] <TylerE> funkyHat, ssh, other things [10:40] <hussam> anybody knows if breezy will be upgraded to gtk2.8.0 or will it stay with gtk2.7.5 ? [10:40] <TylerE> funkyHat, NOTHING is getting thoruhg [10:40] <TylerE> I can't even run nmap against it [10:40] <Derkommissar> when looking at the logs, i see logs for both... im confused, XFree86.0.log --- Xorg.0.log [10:41] <Niki-> hey [10:41] <Niki-> was someone answering about the printer stuff? [10:41] <Niki-> lol [10:41] <surfdue> hmm [10:41] <icewt> surfdue, so? although i think you should get it from skype website for the latest version [10:41] <surfdue> it still wotn work [10:41] <surfdue> i just installed from the skype website [10:41] <NallePuh> ah it was ubuntu who was at freenode :P [10:41] <surfdue> dosnt seem to work! [10:41] <ilpum_> @michele what is the fstype for fat? [10:41] <icewt> surfdue, err.. what does it say then? [10:42] <NallePuh> ubuntu was pretty good :> [10:42] <surfdue> nothing [10:42] <michele> ilpum_, it's in the manual [10:42] <surfdue> nothing atall [10:42] <NallePuh> but i got alot more CD's then i actually needed :P [10:42] <n45800> ilpum: i think vfat [10:42] <MrPockets> what can i use in Ubuntu to burn CDs? [10:42] <ilpum_> michele so it's the same as vfat? [10:42] <icewt> surfdue, you said you clicked the deb-file? that's the installation package [10:42] <surfdue> it just dont start [10:42] <surfdue> no [10:42] <Niki-> ---<| need help getting to help printer drivers for 32 bit on 64 bit |>--- [10:42] <surfdue> icewt i go to my programs menu click skype [10:42] <surfdue> and it wont start [10:42] <icewt> surfdue, ah, ok. try to start it from terminal then [10:43] <surfdue> k [10:43] <n45800> surfdue: try running from CLI [10:43] <n45800> ... [10:43] <icewt> surfdue, and see what it says [10:43] <surfdue> skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [10:43] <quiet> is there an apt for Ximian Desktop? [10:43] <surfdue> hmm how do i fix that, tahts the error i think [10:43] <michele> quiet, ximian desktop is no more [10:43] <n45800> surfdue: you need qt [10:43] <ilpum_> michele mkfs.vfat /media/usbdisk <- i hope this is correct Xo [10:43] <surfdue> qt?> [10:43] <n45800> comes with KDE [10:43] <surfdue> nooo [10:43] <surfdue> i dont want kde [10:43] <bimberi> MrPockets: nautilus, gnomebacker, graveman or k3b (might be others) [10:43] <n45800> but it seperate too [10:44] <n45800> i check package name [10:44] <surfdue> how can i get it? [10:44] <surfdue> i really have no clue how to get qt [10:44] <michele> ilpum_, no [10:44] <icewt> surfdue, you can also try the statically linked package. http://skype.com/go/getskype-linux-static [10:44] <bimberi> MrPockets: *gnomebaker [10:44] <icewt> surfdue, if you don't want to install qt [10:44] <n45800> surfdue: apt-get install libqt [10:44] <surfdue> ill install qt [10:45] <surfdue> if i can keep my beloved gnome [10:45] <surfdue> and not mess up my beloved ubuntu [10:45] <surfdue> :) [10:45] <surfdue> apt-get install qt ? [10:45] <n45800> surfdue: you can have both :P [10:45] <michele> surfdue, install libqt3c102-mt [10:45] <MrPockets> bimberi is it come in the package or need i download it? [10:45] <ilpum_> @michele okay... [10:45] <pinko> hey, uh... the "marrillat" source that people in debian often use... is that stuff pretty much integrated into the standard ubuntu repositories? [10:45] <Derkommissar> is the new vertion of ubuntu ready ? [10:45] <surfdue> thank you [10:45] <senile_implant> Derkommissar, not until october [10:46] <Derkommissar> :( [10:46] <michele> ilpum_, you need to use the device file /dev/hdX not /media/something [10:46] <bimberi> MrPockets: nautilus is the file manager (can burn data cds) - the others need to be downloaded [10:46] <surfdue> and one last question for today hopefully, thank you guys for helping me so much! can someone tell me wine or anyother program a noob like me can use to run a game that i use to play on windows [10:46] <senile_implant> surfdue, what game? [10:46] <n45800> surfdue: depends on the game [10:47] <Tsukasa> surfdue: wine or cedega [10:47] <pinko> surfdue: I can tell you wine. [10:47] <bimberi> MrPockets: For nautilus see "CD/DVD Creator" under the Go menu [10:47] <Derkommissar> senile_implant, is there betas ? [10:47] <Tsukasa> but as said it depends on the game [10:47] <pinko> if it pleases. [10:47] <omeg> Is there something I can do to download/install new languages for my 5.04 system? Like, use a terminal command, or use Synaptic? [10:47] <n45800> surfdue: try wine, cedega, crossoveroffice, or VMWare [10:47] <n45800> not necessarily in that order [10:47] <thespiritoftal> does anyone know if I can install xorg-devel or xlib-dev or xfree86-devel from synaptic? [10:47] <senile_implant> Derkommissar, apparently some people have installed it, but i wouldn't recommend it unless you absolutely need it [10:48] <Derkommissar> im battleling with XORG [10:48] <senile_implant> n45800, you forgot win4lin ;) [10:48] <Derkommissar> and maybe the new ver will be better [10:48] <pinko> Derkommissar: battling? [10:48] <pinko> how? [10:48] <n45800> senile_implant, Whoops, won't happen again ;P [10:48] <Derkommissar> i have a laptop, i want to have a big desktop betwin my external lcd and my laptop monito [10:49] <Derkommissar> and i done everything [10:49] <omeg> Hehe... when searching for "Dutch", I find two vocabularies for the "new" spelling from 1996. :) [10:49] <Derkommissar> and i cant acheve that [10:49] <juanej> is there anyway to make 5.1 sound works fine with 2 speakers with a 2.1 sound board? [10:49] <omeg> (In Synaptic.) [10:49] <pinko> Derkommissar: though I believe I've seen it done, I have no idea how. [10:49] <rrittenhouse> I am ssh'ed into a remote machine (ubuntu) and I need to change the hostname.. where can I change this so it takes effect everywhere and does not break any network connections ? [10:49] <surfdue> skype isnt working very good [10:50] <surfdue> it dosnt look very good on gnome [10:50] <Derkommissar> ubuntu generates the config file for x [10:50] <Derkommissar> before starting [10:50] <rrittenhouse> I changed it in /etc/hostname and it wouldnt let the nic come back up at all... [10:50] <michele> surfdue, install qt-config and tweak it a bit [10:50] <alexws> Is there a non-torrent mirror for the (k)ubuntu live/install dvd? [10:50] <alexws> The torrent won't connect. [10:50] <c0rrupt_> sauce [10:50] <surfdue> k [10:50] <michele> surfdue, but it will never look really good. Qt looks "good" only in KDE [10:50] <surfdue> E: Couldn't find package qt-config [10:51] <michele> surfdue, there are no non-KDE Qt themes other than those shipped [10:51] <a1zi> i can get aim to come up [10:51] <surfdue> shipped? [10:51] <a1zi> i have installed it but it wont come up [10:51] <michele> ah well qt3-config or whatever... [10:51] <michele> shipped with qt itself [10:51] <Revan999> Will my hd being ntsf be a problem ? [10:51] <a1zi> does anyone have aim and is using it instead of gaim [10:51] <icewt> i've never understood why all programs should look the same. i don't really care as long as they work ;) [10:51] <surfdue> nope [10:51] <Aitor> hola [10:51] <Aitor> hi [10:51] <surfdue> no suck qt3 [10:51] <LathropWells> http://kde-look.org [10:52] <surfdue> such* [10:52] <surfdue> n45800, do u mind if I pm you about this game issue [10:52] <a1zi> has anyone downloaded AIM!? [10:52] <nickrud> surfdue, ac search config | grep qt gives qt3-qtconfig [10:52] <NallePuh> oops wrong nick [10:52] <senile_implant> alzi, try the program gaim [10:53] <nickrud> um, alias ac='apt-cache' ;) [10:53] <surfdue> nope [10:53] <surfdue> dosnt work [10:53] <michele> surfdue, qt3-qtconfig [10:53] <a1zi> senile_implant: i did... its ok.. but i want to know why AIM dont work [10:53] <surfdue> nope [10:53] <icewt> surfdue, you could also try #winehq [10:53] <senile_implant> a1zi, does aim actually have a linux client? [10:53] <surfdue> wow skype is really bad, the buttons dont work when i click them [10:53] <a1zi> senile_implant: yes.... [10:53] <rrittenhouse> Anyone know how to change the hostname in ubuntu (but not from the GUI?) [10:53] <ubuntu> !recoveringgrub [10:53] <ubotu> [recoveringgrub] at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [10:53] <a1zi> i instaleed it sucessfully... [10:54] <dabaR> I have installed dnsmasq, and ipmasq. I changed the /etc/network/options file to show ip_forward=yes. The /etc/dnsmasq.conf has been set up to work as a dhcp server. Also, I have tried setting up a .rul file in /etc/ipmasq/rules, one to allow dhcp requests. I am trying to connect a Mac computer using DHCP. The Mac gets an IP address, and the correct one, that I set up for that MAC address in dnsmasq.conf. [10:54] <a1zi> senile_implant: but... when i type the command to bring it up, nothign happens [10:54] <dabaR> However, it can not ping the Linux, nor can it ping out. The best part is that it worked at some point, but after I tried mounting the wrong hard drive(which locked my system up) I can no longer get it to work. dmesg output can be found at http://dabar.selfip.org/dmesg.out [10:54] <MrPockets> what are the alternitaves to gnome? [10:54] <killahkosha> MrPockets, kde [10:54] <killahkosha> MrPockets, xfce [10:54] <MrPockets> and how hard is taht to switch? [10:54] <killahkosha> MrPockets, englightenment [10:54] <mike_> console [10:54] <senile_implant> a1zi, are you executing it from a terminal? [10:54] <killahkosha> use kubuntu [10:55] <mike_> :x [10:55] <a1zi> senile_implant: if it doesnt work, can anyone tell me how to uninstall it [10:55] <LathropWells> !windowmanagers [10:55] <ubotu> windowmanagers is, like, totally, http://xwinman.org/ Feel the power of open software and choices. [10:55] <kezz> MrPockets, choose a different Session when you login [10:55] <a1zi> senile_implant: yes i am exicuting from teminal but it says no such file or directory.. but i looked there and it says it is there.. GUI [10:55] <Doonz> boost [10:56] <a1zi> senile_implant: unless gui is lying [10:56] <senile_implant> a1zi, you need to put the full path in [10:56] <a1zi> oh..... [10:56] <a1zi> senile_implant: will it not work if i just click on the icon. [10:56] <alexws> Hmmm, the only non torrent mirror of the ubuntu live/install dvd I can find is on the irish freebsd mirror [10:56] <a1zi> senile_implant:? [10:56] <alexws> And it's insanely slow / dead [10:56] <juanej> is there anyway to make 5.1 sound work fine with 2 speakers? i cant listen the voices of a movie [10:56] <senile_implant> a1zi, you can see the errors if you do it with a terminal [10:57] <a1zi> senile_implant: ok ill try.. thanks boss [10:57] <surfdue> what package is xfce [10:57] <paulproteus> surfdue: xfce4 [10:57] <alexws> lol its so slow safari won't tell me how slow it is [10:57] <surfdue> k [10:57] <paulproteus> surfdue: Try apt-cache search [10:57] <surfdue> E: Couldn't find package xfce4 [10:57] <LathropWells> !info xfce4 [10:57] <surfdue> no [10:57] <ubotu> xfce4: (The Xfce4 Desktop Environment), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 4.2.1.1-2ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB [10:57] <a1zi> senile_implant: i get an error. [10:57] <alexws> "ETA: 3 weeks, 5 days 8 hours and..." [10:57] <a1zi> now what? [10:57] <juanej> On windows i can use ffdshow to make each channel sound on my 2 speakers, but i dont now what can i do here [10:57] <a1zi> senile_implant now what? [10:57] <senile_implant> a1zi, what's the error? [10:58] <a1zi> aim: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [10:58] <surfdue> hmm [10:58] <quiet> can you upgrade to breezy with apt? [10:58] <surfdue> what package [10:58] <surfdue> is breezy the most recent? [10:58] <alex__> michele, tha ks for your help, but I did not put two devices sections because this is the same device, the video card is the same [10:58] <muffin_> in which repositorie can i get gstreamer0.8-mad (mp3 support)??? [10:58] <quiet> current, unstable [10:58] <surfdue> hmm [10:58] <a1zi> senile_implant: what cha thinking? [10:58] <surfdue> anyone know the xfce package name [10:58] <nickrud> muffin_, universe [10:58] <surfdue> xfce4 wont work [10:58] <quiet> surfdue, xfce4 [10:58] <quiet> oh [10:58] <ninnghizidha_> bla. [10:59] <quiet> dunno [10:59] <surfdue> xfce4 wont work [10:59] <quiet> apt-cache search xfce4 [10:59] <senile_implant> a1zi, you need to install gtk i guess [10:59] <nickrud> surfdue, you need to fix your repositories, [10:59] <surfdue> ok [10:59] <nickrud> !repositories [10:59] <ubotu> I guess repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [10:59] <surfdue> to what? [10:59] <surfdue> k [10:59] <bimberi> !info gstreamer0.8-mad [10:59] <ubotu> gstreamer0.8-mad: (MAD MPEG audio decoder plugin for GStreamer), section universe/libs, is optional. Version: 0.8.8-1ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 49 kB, Installed size: 136 kB [10:59] <LathropWells> srfdue - xfce4 - will work it works GREAT in fact. - ;) [11:00] <muffin_> but i cant see the package in synaptic... [11:00] <a1zi> senile_implant: i think i go it [11:00] <a1zi> senile_implant: thanks [11:00] <nickrud> muffin_, the ubotu thing about repositories applies to you too, I think [11:00] <concept10> I used to use a program in windows a long time ago that would enable up to seven connections when downloading programs, is there anything like that for linux? [11:01] <senile_implant> a1zi, you might like gaim better though. [11:01] <lok> d4x [11:01] <surfdue> should i allow universe? [11:01] <surfdue> i think so but should i? [11:01] <nickrud> surfdue, yes, and also multiverse [11:01] <surfdue> there is no multiverse [11:01] <a1zi> senile_implant: i tryed it.. i liked it but i am practicing installing pacages with aim.. [11:01] <surfdue> in my respitories check listr [11:01] <a1zi> senile_implant: how do you uninstall? [11:01] <senile_implant> concept10, http://ubuntuguide.org/#d4x [11:01] <a1zi> senile_implant: thanks for your help again [11:02] <senile_implant> a1zi, lol i can't help you with uninstallation [11:02] <surfdue> nice [11:02] <LathropWells> !apt [11:02] <senile_implant> unless you installed it with apt [11:02] <ubotu> I heard apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto [11:02] <a1zi> senile_implant: is it possible [11:02] <a1zi> senile_implant: is it possible to uninstall?>???? [11:02] <senile_implant> a1zi, anything's possible. but AIM might not have made it easy [11:03] <a1zi> i see [11:03] <LathropWells> apt-get --purge ???? [11:03] <avanspronsen> !ubuntuguide [11:03] <ubotu> [ubuntuguide] a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned [11:03] <a1zi> senile_implant: is my text to you in red? [11:03] <nickrud> surfdue, you can sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list, and add multiverse to the end of all lines that have universe in them. [11:03] <senile_implant> a1zi, yes [11:03] <a1zi> senile_implant: so commas and semi colons make it red [11:03] <senile_implant> a1zi, when someone uses my nickname it highlights the text [11:04] <shinu> hi everyone [11:04] <senile_implant> lol has nothing to do with commas or semi-colons [11:04] <shinu> i have a slightly strange thing going on... [11:04] <a1zi> senile_implant oh [11:04] <shinu> somethings taking up quite a lot of ram and i dont know what... [11:04] <a1zi> senile_implant so that is red? [11:04] <senile_implant> a1zi, yes [11:04] <a1zi> senile_implant hahaha nice [11:04] <a1zi> senile_implant im new [11:04] <ubuntu> hi [11:04] <senile_implant> shinu, try running top [11:05] <shinu> 300mb of ram is taken (according to the xfce ram meter) [11:05] <thespiritoftal> anyone knows how I can install xfree86-devel to ubuntu? [11:05] <a1zi> senile_implant well.. i am grateful [11:05] <shinu> senile_implant: but i only have an xfce session on and some terminals... [11:05] <senile_implant> a1zi, it depends on the IRC client you use [11:05] <senile_implant> shinu, you can sort it by the amount of ram used [11:05] <shinu> senile_implant: might it be some dead process that quit improperly? [11:05] <juanej> which xine frontend should i install? [11:05] <senile_implant> shinu, i doubt it [11:06] <a1zi> later all [11:06] <senile_implant> a1zi, see ya [11:06] <LathropWells> xine-ui? [11:06] <juanej> what about gxine? [11:06] <LathropWells> << VLC or mplayer are worth a try also [11:06] <shinu> senile_implant: i had to kill some mplayers running a film from a dvd that didnt work properly... [11:06] <LathropWells> sure - gxine is very nice [11:06] <juanej> i dont like mplayer [11:07] <senile_implant> shinu, so you got it then? [11:07] <bedi> juanej: i too [11:07] <bedi> totem-xine is the best, hehe [11:07] <shinu> senile_implant: not really [11:07] <shinu> senile_implant: just a sec :P trying to figure out [11:07] <LathropWells> lol - player wars. - yep but vlc is a streaming server too. :P [11:08] <juanej> look, i just want to make 5.1 sound work fine with my 2 speakers [11:08] <juanej> voices are too low on 5.1 movies [11:08] <surfdue> is there an easy way to get my game running [11:08] <surfdue> roller coaster tycoon 3 [11:08] <shinu> senile_implant: well... xorg takes up the most space... which is 3.9%... im talking about some 50% of my ram... :( [11:09] <muffin_> hm... i can't find any repository with gstreamer0.8-mad on it.... tons of gstreamer plugins, but no mad............ [11:09] <avanspronsen> !repos [11:09] <ubotu> repos is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [11:10] <nickrud> muffin_, it's definitely in universe [11:10] <senile_implant> shinu, you're sure that's %MEM and not %CPU you're looking at? [11:11] <shinu> senile_implant: im pretty sure yes, i presse shift + o to choose the sort field and then 'n' [11:11] <pinko> so are there other distros nowadays that have built themselves entirely around ubuntu packages? [11:11] <nickrud> muffin_, try apt-cache policy gstreamer0.8-mad [11:11] <shinu> senile_implant: there is a %MEM above the thing im looking at ;) [11:11] <shinu> senile_implant: and now firefox is taking up 6%... [11:12] <shinu> senile_implant: could a killed process not free up the ram it used? [11:12] <LathropWells> shinu - unused ram is "wasted" recently used apps are cached "idling" in ram because reloading them from disk would be slower. [11:12] <codecaine> anyone give me some info on patch management for multiple pcs running ubuntu? [11:12] <surfdue> is there an easy way to get my game running, roller coaster tycoon 3, but easily [11:12] <surfdue> becuase im noobish [11:12] <paulproteus> codecaine: apt-cron [11:13] <paulproteus> codecaine: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/162 [11:13] <codecaine> paulproteus, thx [11:13] <realcr> I got a computer running ununtu [last version] connected to a dhcp supported router. I didn't installed the x system. how can I configure the network to work? [11:13] <LathropWells> google "linux swappiness" sysctrl can tune your system exactly as you think it should run. - the defaults are usually spot on unless you are running a busy server. [11:14] <juanej> how do i uninstall a compiled mplayer??? [11:14] <shinu> LathropWells: but i only had some mplayer run from a terminal and a few terminals open in xfce... that should make the ram meter jump to 300mb [11:14] <fz> hello all [11:14] <c0rrupt_> im having a problem with nessus, could anyone in here be considered an expert? [11:15] <fz> what do you guys use for a graphical ftp client ? [11:15] <stianh> hey guys, I've installed Audacity and Beast, among other things, and they all say complain about missing audio device. However, beep-media-player works fine :s [11:15] <fz> i'm tired of gftp! [11:15] <stianh> I've tried starting alsa from the commandline, but the applications still don't work [11:15] <senile_implant> fz, me too! [11:15] <c0rrupt_> fireftp [11:16] <LathropWells> !alsa [11:16] <ubotu> somebody said alsa was http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 [11:16] <c0rrupt_> !nessus [11:16] <ubotu> c0rrupt_: I don't know, could you explain it? [11:16] <c0rrupt_> no [11:16] <c0rrupt_> im having a problem with nessus, could anyone in here be considered an expert? [11:16] <D-N_[A] > plz i wanna help in instaling ubuntu on my pc [11:16] <D-N_[A] > " i'm a newbie (win user ) [11:16] <c0rrupt_> i am running the server and client on the same PC [11:16] <samu> is there a page that lists changes between hoary and breezy? [11:17] <c0rrupt_> the server is running [11:17] <c0rrupt_> but i cannot connect to it [11:17] <funkyHat> is dmix configured already in ubuntu? [11:17] <c0rrupt_> in facgt [11:17] <fz> so what do you use senile_implant ?? [11:17] <c0rrupt_> fact* [11:17] <Razor-X> qtorrent is an excellent torrent client, I don't know what it does, but it gets Azureus speeds with much less sugar [11:17] <c0rrupt_> u cannot connect to my ftp server [11:17] <Razor-X> and much less resources [11:17] <c0rrupt_> although others can [11:17] <rob_p> shinu: Linux tries to take advantage of most of the physical memory that it has access to. This is not a bad thing! Much of the memory that isn't directly being used by applications will be used for disk cache and I/O buffers. This potentially speeds things up considerably since read/write are orders of magnitude faster for RAM than for your hard disk. The memory manager will usually leave a certain amount available for [11:17] <rob_p> other applications and processes but it's normal for your linux box to take advantage of the RAM in your system. [11:17] <c0rrupt_> so basically [11:17] <c0rrupt_> my problem is [11:17] <c0rrupt_> i cannot connect to servers running on my own pc, yet others can [11:18] <senile_implant> fz, gftp :( [11:18] <c0rrupt_> Seveas, ? [11:18] <LathropWells> sic 'em rob_p - wish i had said that. [11:18] <D-N_[A] > my hard drive is 4 partions one is for linux i wanna install ubuntu without repartion the hard drive i've an ex linux drive [11:18] <fz> ok, i'm gonna look for fireftp c0rrupt_ [11:18] <c0rrupt_> its used with firefox [11:18] <c0rrupt_> mdz? [11:19] <shinu> rob_p: i think i see... so i shouldnt be *too* paranoid about the high meter right? [11:19] <D-N_[A] > any one help ?? [11:19] <LathropWells> shinu - ram is flushed of idling apps if they aren't needed [11:20] <rob_p> shinu: Nope! :-) [11:20] <funkyHat> D-N_[A] , sure. what is on the other partitions? do you have a swap partition? [11:20] <c0rrupt_> HELP [11:20] <shinu> rob_p: k thanks [11:20] <codecaine> paulproteus, what's it called when you do installs w/o user interaction? [11:20] <D-N_[A] > yes i have on [11:20] <shinu> LathropWells: does flushed mean that the ram meter will drop too? [11:21] <D-N_[A] > but i don't wanna partion the hard drive again :| [11:21] <Goodspeed> is there a program thats like no-ip for linux? [11:21] <Goodspeed> i need dns redirection fasst [11:21] <shinu> D-N_[A] : if you already have a linux partition you arent using you dont have to repartition the drive [11:21] <funkyHat> D-N_[A] , you should be able to install ubuntu then, using just the partition you want to, without repartitioning the whole drive [11:21] <shinu> just reuse those partitions [11:21] <LathropWells> not necessarily - apps are cached in ram rather than on the disk - disk access is slow [11:21] <D-N_[A] > yes how can i found it [11:21] <D-N_[A] > plz guide me ?? [11:21] <c0rrupt_> im having a little trouble with kubuntu, it seems that i cannot connect to servers running on my comp localy but others can (proftpd,nessusd). anyone have any ideas? [11:22] <funkyHat> D-N_[A] , are you running the installer now? [11:22] <D-N_[A] > i can write after you :) [11:22] <D-N_[A] > say it [11:22] <Goodspeed> apt-get install no-ip? [11:23] <LathropWells> recent apps are kept in ram the os hopes they will be needed and quickly flushed when another app needs the ram they idle in. [11:23] <pestilence> hoping somebody can answer this easily: i installed drupal, and when i goto http://mywebsite/drupal/index.php it shows up fine, but if i go to http://mywebsite/drupal it asks if i want to save a phtml file. any ideas? [11:23] <funkyHat> D-N_[A] , are you installing ubuntu now, or is it the machine you are using now that you want to install it on? [11:23] <pfp> Goodspeed: if you mean dynamic dns, there's dyndns.org [11:24] <Goodspeed> i need a program for linux [11:24] <Goodspeed> i have a host at no-ip [11:24] <LathropWells> !dyndns [11:24] <ubotu> LathropWells: I don't know, could you explain it? [11:24] <quiet> how do you install themes for metacity/gtk? [11:24] <D-N_[A] > thats the machine that iwanna instal [11:24] <shinu> LathropWells: ok, thats what i understood from what rob said. thanks ^^ [11:24] <D-N_[A] > i'll try after u answer :) [11:24] <funkyHat> ok [11:24] <pfp> Goodspeed: hmm, dyndns.org uses some open proto for updates, maybe you can use the same clients for no-ip [11:25] <pfp> e.g. apt-cache search dynamic dns [11:25] <LathropWells> shinu "linux swappiness" sysctrl is interesting. - memory management is got linus interested in writing a kernel. [11:25] <Goodspeed> ok [11:25] <shinu> :) [11:25] <funkyHat> D-N_[A] , when you get to the stage in the installer that asks about where to install ubuntu, if you choose 'manually edit partition table' you can select the partition you want to use, and set it's mount point to / [11:26] <funkyHat> D-N_[A] , don't touch any of the other partitions (except set your swap partition to 'use as swap' if the swap flag isn't already there [11:26] <PurpleMotion> ubotu dyndns is a free service to provide people with canonical hostnames for their dynamic IP addresses, thus making it easier for their personal systems to be reached when they are online. Please see http://www.dyndns.org/ for more information. [11:26] <ubotu> PurpleMotion: okay [11:26] <PurpleMotion> !dyndns [11:26] <ubotu> well, dyndns is a free service to provide people with canonical hostnames for their dynamic IP addresses, thus making it easier for their personal systems to be reached when they are online. Please see http://www.dyndns.org/ for more information. [11:26] <Goodspeed> ok i found a file at no-ip [11:26] <Goodspeed> its a tar [11:26] <PurpleMotion> there ya go [11:26] <Goodspeed> i just .l/ the sh file right? [11:26] <Goodspeed> ./* [11:27] <funkyHat> D-N_[A] , doing that actually _isn't_ editing your partition table [11:27] <pfp> PurpleMotion: :) [11:27] <funkyHat> D-N_[A] , and your other operating systems will still work [11:27] <D-N_[A] > it must be found a swap partion as i downaloded slackware on it [11:27] <D-N_[A] > and i used lilo [11:27] <shinu> gnights everyone :) [11:27] <theD3viL> How can i enable my infrared device?? lsusb show irDA is: Mobile Action Technology, Inc. MA-620 USB Infrared Adapter [11:28] <LathropWells> purple - glad it's back - very handy service noip selfhost and about a thousand others make having a home webserver fun. [11:28] <vitor4130> hi there! does anyone knows if its possible to have itunes on linux?thanks [11:28] <PurpleMotion> LathropWells: it's been back for some time, m8 [11:28] <nariman> can anyone help me [11:28] <MrPockets> no onre can help you [11:28] <nariman> i need and graphical burn app [11:28] <Goodspeed> is that dyndns free though? [11:28] <PurpleMotion> yeah [11:29] <Goodspeed> where [11:29] <Goodspeed> ? [11:29] <ilpum> how do i find out the location of an usb device? :D [11:29] <PurpleMotion> dyndns.org [11:29] <Goodspeed> OHHh [11:29] <Goodspeed> i went to .com [11:29] <Goodspeed> dammit [11:29] <LathropWells> PurpleMotion, my spelling is awful. !dyndns got pfft nothing for me. - lol [11:29] <funkyHat> D-N_[A] , is there still a problem? [11:29] <nariman> hello? [11:29] <avadash> hey how do i do emulation like alcohol 120% does in linux? [11:29] <D-N_[A] > i'll try and i 'll say [11:29] <Goodspeed> in your account where do you go to get the free one? [11:30] <Goodspeed> my zones? [11:30] <pfp> Goodspeed: services iirc... [11:30] <nariman> just say the name off and app that can burn ISOs [11:30] <nickrud> nariman, gnomebaker and k3b are recommended here often [11:30] <PurpleMotion> go to services, then to dyndns [11:30] <funkyHat> D-N_[A] , cool. one thing: don't move the boot flag! [11:30] <LathropWells> avadash - i like ddrescue or dd - it copies those odd errors some retail disks have. [11:30] <nariman> ok nickrud [11:30] <nariman> thnx [11:30] <MrPockets> hows Ubuntu on copywrite, if i wanted to make some Ubuntu support shirts and hand them out, or sell for material costs would that be infringment? [11:31] <Goodspeed> coolio [11:31] <Goodspeed> purple did you pay for your hostname? [11:31] <Goodspeed> nmmm [11:31] <Goodspeed> you just said homnelinux.net and i thought you made that [11:31] <avadash> LathropWells: no i have 3 iso that i dont want to burn... i just want to run the like theyre on the computer [11:32] <c0rrupt_> ok [11:32] <c0rrupt_> at boot [11:32] <c0rrupt_> i get this error [11:32] <LathropWells> avadash is linux easy "cloop" i think is the command mounts it like a file [11:32] <funkyHat> avadash, mount them using mount :) [11:32] <c0rrupt_> and when running networking restart [11:32] <c0rrupt_> * Reconfiguring network interfaces... [fail] [11:32] <avadash> ok thx [11:32] <c0rrupt_> Seveas, [11:33] <c0rrupt_> i think i found an important link to my problem [11:33] <worthawholebean> Hi. My Yaboot won't install. I'm using a Mac with one partition on the internal drive and three gigs of unpartitioned space. I then have Ubuntu partition the free space for me, but Yaboot won't install. It sasy that it can't be installed into /target [11:33] <pestilence> hoping somebody can answer this easily: i installed drupal, and when i goto http://mywebsite/drupal/index.php it shows up fine, but if i go to http://mywebsite/drupal it asks if i want to save a phtml file. any ideas? [11:34] <LathropWells> # mount -o loop -t iso9660 -r [11:35] <redguy> pestilence: sounds like you have to configure your webserver to serve index.php as well if no filename is specified [11:35] <pestilence> redguy: that's what i thought, but i have this in my apache2.conf: [11:35] <pestilence> redguy: DirectoryIndex index.html index.cgi index.pl index.php index.xhtml [11:35] <worthawholebean> Can anyone help me? [11:36] <redguy> pestilence: and no other index files in drupal? [11:36] <kezz> pestilence, maybe set it to process phtml files server side instead of just serving the text [11:36] <knowledge> ok, so i'm trying to install something and when I'm typing in 'make -f Makefile.cvs' I keep getting "./admin/cvs.sh: line 33: --version: command not found [11:36] <knowledge> *** AUTOCONF NOT FOUND!. [11:36] <knowledge> " [11:36] <knowledge> but the thing is I have the latest version installed [11:36] <pestilence> redguy: nope. [11:36] <pestilence> kezz: hmmm [11:36] <kezz> knowledge, have you installed build-essentials [11:36] <c0rrupt_> OK [11:36] <c0rrupt_> i need help.. [11:37] <redguy> pestilence: I'm no apache guru, can't help you. sorry [11:37] <felipe_> hola [11:37] <c0rrupt_> at boot [11:37] <c0rrupt_> i get this error message [11:37] <c0rrupt_> * Reconfiguring network interfaces... [fail] [11:37] <felipe_> como se instalan y donde puedo bajar skin para beep media player ? [11:37] <c0rrupt_> and i cannot ping myself [11:37] <c0rrupt_> localy [11:37] <redguy> !es [11:37] <c0rrupt_> but i can ping foreign hosts [11:37] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. [11:37] <pestilence> kezz: how do i do that? [11:37] <knowledge> kezz: Yeap [11:38] <Goodspeed> how do install a .sh file? [11:38] <Goodspeed> debian.noip2.sh [11:38] <echylo> ./blabla.sh [11:38] <worthawholebean> Meh, I'm not going to install Ubuntu. The community doesn't seem very helpful. [11:38] <Goodspeed> and if it returns blank its installed? [11:38] <Rydekull> Goodspeed: .sh is a shell-script [11:38] <pestilence> worthawholebean: you're kidding, right? [11:38] <echylo> can someone send me their standard syslog.conf [11:38] <kezz> pestilence, AddType application/x-httpd-php .phtml [11:38] <Rydekull> Goodspeed: read it and look in it what it does [11:38] <nophix> how long should a normal fsck.ext3 take for a 77GB partition? [11:38] <echylo> wortha wth? [11:38] <pestilence> kezz: yea, i tried that. [11:38] <VooDoo> ello [11:38] <kezz> did you restart apache? [11:39] <pestilence> kezz: yea :) [11:39] <knowledge> anyone else have any idea about my problem? [11:40] <kezz> pestilence, does it process phtml files properly if you point the browser at one? have you tried adding index.phtml to the directory index [11:40] <pestilence> kezz: well, it processes index.php correctly when i point it at it, and that's all i want... [11:40] <Pickle_Weasel> what are the /dev's for PCI slots? [11:41] <pestilence> kezz: i don't understand why it is saying "PHTML" when i load /drupal [11:41] <EasterSunshine> does (k)ubuntu have on any firewall by default? [11:41] <pestilence> kezz: because there is no .phtml file, there is only a index.php [11:41] <kezz> pestilence, is there an index.phtml that is taking preference over index.php [11:41] <pestilence> kezz: no [11:41] <EasterSunshine> i want to connect into it on port 22 from my friends house, i don't wanna go there and then discover i can't ssh in [11:41] <kezz> pestilence, comment out the phtml addtype ? [11:41] <redguy> pestilence: did you try saving the file and looking inside? [11:42] <pestilence> redguy: no, i'll try that. [11:42] <pestilence> kezz: yea. [11:43] <pestilence> redguy: it's just my index.php file, being misinterpreted by the browser/server [11:43] <Goodspeed> when i type ./cconfigure && make it tells me there's no directory [11:43] <kezz> pestilence, browser by the looks of it [11:43] <Goodspeed> am i missing something on my machine? [11:43] <rob_p> echylo: http://rob.pectol.com/ubuntu.syslog.conf [11:43] <kezz> Goodspeed, type ./configure --help [11:43] <pestilence> kezz: well, i don't have this problem on my other ubuntu/drupal machines :-/ [11:43] <kezz> pestilence, weird [11:44] <Goodspeed> kezz im still getting it [11:44] <Goodspeed> i think i need build essentials [11:44] <knowledge> if it helps any [11:44] <echylo> thanks rob_p [11:44] <rob_p> echylo: No prob! [11:44] <c0rrupt_> i cannot ping localhost [11:44] <c0rrupt_> networking restart fails [11:44] <c0rrupt_> help? [11:45] <knowledge> when I get "./admin/cvs.sh: line 33: --version: command not found" I look at what line 33 says....and it's "AUTOCONF_VERSION=`$AUTOCONF --version | head -n 1`" [11:45] <knowledge> what's wrong in that line? [11:46] <kezz> Goodspeed, yes you do [11:46] <Goodspeed> :) [11:46] <knowledge> anyone now? [11:46] <knowledge> know* [11:47] <Goodspeed> i regret taking out my dvd rom drive and putting it into the old computer to install ubuntu [11:47] <rob_p> EasterSunshine: Did you get the info you were after? [11:47] <Goodspeed> cause i have to do it everytime i need a sys file [11:47] <Goodspeed> :( [11:47] <kezz> knowledge, i think $autoconf must be empty [11:48] <titanium> i cannot get the JDK installed on ubuntu. [11:48] <kezz> titanium, did you install it from the sun site? [11:49] <EasterSunshine> rob_p: what info? i asked about twenty questions here in the last week... [11:50] <rob_p> EasterSunshine: ...about whether or not you can access your port 22 externally. [11:50] <EasterSunshine> rob_p, nope i gonna ask a friend to try it [11:50] <knowledge> nope...doesn't work [11:50] <titanium> kezz, i downloaded the jdk bin for linux and i'm trying to follow the wiki guide but it doesn't work [11:50] <rob_p> EasterSunshine: If not, I could maybe provide some assistance... [11:50] <kezz> titanium, follow the guide on the sun site for a linux install [11:51] <EasterSunshine> rob_p: thx a lot for offering but let me bug my friend first [11:51] <ninjafish> hi, I have sound in music player when playing mp3s but no sound in totum for mp3 or dvd. Also no sound in xine. [11:52] <rrittenhouse> I have a script that I want to set as a cron job but when it runs the script its not executing it correctly...we have a script to parse the IP (using sed) from ifconfig and for some reason crontab will not spit it out (i have the script if you wanna see it) [11:52] <pestilence> how bizarre. it doesn't do this for other index.php's...i guess it's just the one for drupal that has issues. [11:52] <rob_p> EasterSunshine: Well, I just thought I'd offer you the use of my Web-based port scanner. It's useful for troubleshooting your own connections as it provides a way for you to see if your box is accessible from a remote location. [11:53] <Goodspeed> OK i installed build essential but i still cannot do ./configure [11:53] <rob_p> EasterSunshine: If you wanna use it, it's located here: http://rob.pectol.com/component/option,com_wrapper/Itemid,52/ Just select the, "Port Scan Utility." [11:54] <GNULinuxGeek> Hello All !! [11:54] <EasterSunshine> rob_p: thx, let me try it out [11:54] <pestilence> no. it's just things in the aliased directory. [11:55] <rob_p> rrittenhouse: When you execute the script manually from the command prompt, does it do what you expect? [11:55] <GNULinuxGeek> Question... I love Ubuntu. I wondered if there is a tool (run as root or not) that allows me to switch monitors easily? [11:56] <knowledge> rawr! [11:56] <pestilence> GNULinuxGeek: what video card do you have [11:56] <titanium> does anyone know how to set the document root in apache2? i tried editing apache2.conf and setting DocumentRoot but it doesn't do anything [11:56] <Goodspeed> how do i add things for startup in terminal? [11:56] <pestilence> titanium: did you restart apache? [11:56] <titanium> pestilence: yep. im used to running it on windows so i'm familiar with it [11:56] <pestilence> titanium: (or apache2, even ;) [11:56] <titanium> :) [11:57] <pestilence> titanium: how about editing what's in sites-enabled? [11:57] <titanium> pestilence: you just lost me [11:57] <pestilence> titanium: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
 I am using a Asus card with 128MB of RAM and an Nvidia chipset [11:57] <ttj> I have a machine with only SATA disk-drives. How do I install ubuntu when debian-installer can't find my disks? :/ [11:58] <pestilence> GNULinuxGeek: ah. don't know. i know there is such a utility for certain intel boards. [11:58] <GNULinuxGeek> Can you tell me the name of the util? [11:58] <Goodspeed> can you view webpages in terminal? [11:58] <theD3viL> yes [11:59] <pestilence> Goodspeed: w3m [11:59] <theD3viL> Goodspeed, yes [11:59] <pestilence> GNULinuxGeek: i think it is i810switch [11:59] <pestilence> GNULinuxGeek: almost guarantee it won't work on your card, though [12:00] <ReleaseX> anybody here use the intel extreme graphics 2 onboard video with shared memory? [12:00] <c0rrupt_> me

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.408992

2005-08-22-#ubuntu-devel

[12:03] <Nafallo> paolo-: badgers have those groups :-) [12:04] <paolo-> haha. [12:05] <mpt> Nafallo: Bugs of the form "This is all completely utterly wrong" don't tend to get fixed, that's not what a bug tracker's good for [12:05] <seb128> mpt: what about saying what is wrong? [12:06] <Nafallo> mpt: what seb128 said :-) [12:06] <\sh> ok...4 hours to sleep [12:06] <\sh> g'night guys [12:06] <ogra__> night \sh [12:06] <Nafallo> \sh: goodnight darling :-) [12:06] <mpt> seb128: Hoary: "The tasks of copying music from a CD in uncompressed format, copying music from a CD in compressed format, playing music on a CD, and playing music on a hard disk are performed with ... four separate programs with four different interfaces: Nautilus, Sound Juicer, CD Player, and Music Player." [12:06] <\sh> oh Nafallo good night kiss please...without this i can't sleep *lol* [12:07] <mpt> seb128: afaict, Breezy is the same, except swapping Serpentine for Nautilus [12:07] <\sh> now I can dream ;) [12:08] <\sh> gone [12:08] <Nafallo> *s* [12:08] <Nafallo> mpt: you might play the music with sj now :-) [12:08] <seb128> mpt: bah, different issue than dnd [12:08] <Nafallo> mpt: ... but I see what you mean :-) [12:09] <ogra__> mpt: that was not swapping anything.... you couldnt burn audio CDs at all in hoary [12:11] <Nafallo> burning wasn't in that list either :-) [12:11] <ogra__> mpt: andserpentine was the only app that didnt duplicate any functionallity, that was my main reason to promote it... [12:13] <mpt> ogra__: I'm bothered almost as much by duplicate interface as I am by duplicate function [12:13] <ogra__> mpt: where is either of them in serpentine ? [12:13] <mpt> Nautilus has UI for moving+copying items, renaming items, deleting items [12:13] <seb128> rhythmbox can play music and record CDs [12:13] <mpt> it can burn CDs of files [12:14] <seb128> there is some patch for CD playing [12:14] <ogra__> yes, thatworks with serpentine too... you can drag and drop audiofiles into serpentine as you can in nautilus [12:14] <tseng> hm automounting is broken in my clean breezy install [12:14] <tseng> anyone have a bug # for that [12:14] <ogra__> tseng: pitti just uploaded the fix [12:14] <tseng> haha rock on. [12:14] <mpt> So almost all the extra that's needed is radiobuttons to choose between "Data CD" and "Music CD" in the burn dialog [12:15] <ogra__> mpt: you have these buttons in the dialog that pops up if you put in a empty CD [12:16] <mpt> A dialog pops up if you put in an empty CD? :-( [12:16] <seb128> why not? [12:16] <mpt> Maybe I'm just badly organized, but I have a bunch of CD-Rs and I forget which ones are empty and which aren't [12:16] <mpt> So I put them in the computer to find out [12:16] <mpt> I don't want a dialog popping up for every one. [12:17] <ogra__> yes, isnt it nice, if you catch a empty one you can directly burn to it :) [12:17] <seb128> how is it supposed to know if you want to record some datas or some music or some photos? [12:17] <mpt> seb128: By my dragging those kind of files into its window! [12:18] <ogra__> mpt: and you want justoverwrite your beloved titles by default if you put in a CD and click "burn" ? [12:18] <mpt> ogra__: Sorry, I don't understand what you mean [12:18] <mpt> "beloved titles"? [12:19] <ogra__> mpt: how should nautilus handle your RWs that already have content ? [12:19] <seb128> mpt what window? [12:19] <seb128> mpt: f-spot is used for photos by example [12:19] <mpt> seb128: The CD's window. [12:19] <ogra__> going your path would mean you overwrite the CDRW by default with the titles you drop into the burner window [12:20] <seb128> there is no something like "the" window [12:20] <seb128> different usecase, different UIs [12:20] <mpt> seb128: Hooray! That's the problem I'm talking about. [12:20] <mpt> It's all just putting stuff on a CD. [12:20] <seb128> not really [12:20] <mpt> ogra__: No it wouldn't, the existing items would show up in the window [12:20] <ogra__> mpt: so you prefer a app like gnomebaker ? [12:20] <seb128> f-spot is nice to manage photos for a CD [12:20] <ogra__> or k3b even [12:21] <mpt> seb128: Yes it is, but again, it annoys me that F-Spot's UI for renaming, deleting, copying etc is gratuitously different from Nautilus's. [12:21] <mpt> Not that Nautilus's UI is a work of art, it's not [12:21] <mpt> but neither is F-Spot's [12:21] <mpt> and it's the inconsistency that annoys me. [12:22] <seb128> mpt: you expect from a file manager to list exif datas, rotate photos, resize pictures, etc? [12:22] <ogra__> mpt: true, butserpentine was the most consistent choice we could make UI wise [12:23] <Cimmerian> ok, it says to report here. just installed breezy from breezy-install-i386.iso 20050816 and it didn't configure X. the xorg.conf file was empty. after putting in an old one, stuff seems to be running fine [12:23] <ogra__> mpt: else you would see gnomebaker as the default burner... there simply isnt an app like you want yet [12:23] <mpt> ogra__: I understand that, I know you're just choosing packages from upstream, that's why I didn't report a bug of the form "This is all terribly wrong" [12:24] <mpt> seb128: Via a plug-in, yes. [12:24] <mpt> seb128: Like Fontilus, but more sophisticated. [12:24] <ogra__> Cimmerian: only 20050816 ? or was that a 20050816.X ? [12:24] <mpt> Or like the "Cookies" window in Windows Explorer. [12:25] <seb128> nautilus is moving away from doing everything to use external apps [12:25] <ogra__> Cimmerian: i'm currently installing 20050816.8 wait 10 min and i can agree or not :) [12:26] <mpt> seb128: By "everything" you mean displaying documents, right? [12:26] <seb128> yeah [12:26] <seb128> it's a file manager [12:26] <mpt> seb128: And that's good [12:26] <seb128> not an exif editor [12:26] <mpt> but I'm not interested in "files" or "exif" [12:26] <Cimmerian> well, i dl'ed it from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ [12:26] <mpt> I have various collections of things on my disk [12:26] <seb128> so you want to edit a photo, use f-spot or whatever [12:27] <mpt> documents, photos, music, cookies, bookmarks, e-mail messages, address book cards [12:27] <mpt> And the UI for deleting one of those things (for example) is different in every single case [12:27] <Cimmerian> it also didn't boot the 2nd stage on first boot in a vmware virtual machine, but i filed a bug on that [12:28] <Cimmerian> worked on my laptop [12:28] <ogra__> ah, ok... [12:28] <mpt> Nautilus is still showing me thumbnails of photos, and I can zoom them in and out, but I can't rotate them [12:28] <seb128> so let's trash the mailer [12:28] <seb128> and list mails as files and open then with gedit? :) [12:28] <ogra__> seb128: nautilus for mail ? [12:28] <ogra__> heh [12:28] <mpt> seb128: yes, in the long term [12:29] <mpt> but that's probably the hardest step [12:29] <seb128> I'll have switched to an another before that :) [12:29] <mpt> the easiest is making Nautilus able to burn CDs :-) [12:29] <seb128> s/another/another OS/ [12:29] <seb128> I agree on that, that's file copying [12:30] <ogra__> mpt: my inbox holds more then 70000 mails... i dont think a ui like a filemanager would be right for that [12:30] <seb128> I don't agree on stuff like mail, a mailer is not a file-browser [12:30] <ogra__> s/right/usable [12:32] <mpt> sure, mail is one of the least definite examples [12:32] <mpt> because it's almost as much about documents as it is about collections [12:32] <mpt> I'd just like a "collection manager" instead of a "file manager" [12:33] <seb128> different file types, different functions, different UIs [12:33] <seb128> you don't manage mails the same way you manage photos [12:33] <ogra__> or files [12:34] <mpt> I'd certainly like to be able to apply the same emblems [12:34] <ogra__> or oggs [12:34] <ajmitch> eg, merge f-spot functionality into nautilus? [12:34] <mpt> and to drag mail messages to folders with other documents in them [12:34] <mpt> ajmitch: Have a plug-in for it [12:35] <seb128> emblems can be the same, you just have to attach the data to the file [12:35] <seb128> and that's the plan/what beagle/f-spot do [12:42] <ogra__> mdz: no working Xconfiguration here [12:42] <ogra__> mdz: not even a xorg.conf [12:43] <ogra__> err, sorry, a 0 byte xorg.conf [12:43] <mdz> ogra__: install or live, and have you tried to debug? [12:43] <mdz> works fine for me here [12:44] <ogra__> mdz: i386 install... just finished the install a min ago [12:46] <ogra__> hmm, reconfigure worked fine ... looking in /var/log/debian-installer [12:52] <jbailey> Are we safe to upload now without causing grief to the colony builds? [12:54] <Cimmerian> yes, 0 byte xorg.conf, that's what i got [12:55] <mdz> jbailey: no [12:55] <Cimmerian> hmm, "New updates availabe", that's a big typo smacking you in the face [12:56] <mdz> ogra__,Cimmerian: no questions asked? [12:56] <Cimmerian> well, i just let it run and when i got back, it said X could not be started [12:56] <ogra__> grmpf... is there any way to ready base-config.log ? its totally broken, one long line [12:56] <ogra__> mdz: resolution was asked [12:56] <Cimmerian> so i checked the logs and found a zero-length xorg.conf [12:57] <mdz> ogra__: that's #13523 [12:57] <mdz> causing the question to be asked [12:57] <mdz> but I certainly still got a valid config [12:57] <mdz> ogra__: check /var/log/casper/post.log [12:58] <ogra__> nocasper... i386 install .... [12:58] <jbailey> mdz: Thanks. [12:58] <mdz> ogra__: /var/log/installer/* [12:59] <mdz> I already have one fix that I need to roll into a new CD build; if there are more to be found, now is the time to find them [12:59] <ogra__> mdz: already looked there, grepping for xorg returns nothing.... [12:59] <ogra__> mdz: my best guess was to look in base-config.log [01:00] <ogra__> but this file is totally unreadable [01:00] <mdz> ogra__: right, I meant base-config.log [01:00] <mdz> ogra__: search for xserver-xorg [01:05] <ogra__> nothing.... i guess its best to reinstall and watch the console output.... [01:05] <mdz> what console output? [01:05] <ogra__> from base-config [01:05] <mdz> that is what base-config.log is [01:05] <mdz> the only thing you see on the console is a progress bar [01:06] <mdz> are you sure you are using the right CD? [01:06] <ogra__> yes, .8 [01:06] <ogra__> from today [01:06] <ogra__> there are no errors in base-config.log [01:06] <mdz> I got a working xorg.conf on all 3 architectures [01:07] <mdz> though it asked the mode question each time [01:08] <mdz> ogra__: did you not see the progress bar? [01:08] <jammcq_office> mdz: hey, any idea if the VIA CMOV issue in initramfs is fixed yet? I can't find any mention of the bug in bugzilla [01:08] <jammcq_office> and i'd like to test another workstation tonight [01:08] <ogra__> mdz: sure... but on tty4 you get the output... [01:08] <mdz> jammcq_office: it's in bugzilla; let me get the bug number [01:08] <mdz> jammcq_office: it is definitely not fixed yet [01:09] <mdz> jammcq_office: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13470 [01:10] <Cimmerian> Setting up xserver-xorg (6.8.2-49) ... [01:10] <Cimmerian> xserver-xorg/config/inputdevice/keyboard/model not set. Aborting. Reconfigure [01:10] <Cimmerian> the X server with "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to correct this problem. [01:10] <Cimmerian> xserver-xorg postinst warning: error while preparing new Xorg X server [01:10] <jammcq_office> mdz: thanks [01:10] <mdz> Cimmerian: what language did you use for the install? [01:11] <Cimmerian> english language, norwegian keyboard [01:11] <mdz> ok, must be layout-related then [01:11] <mdz> dvorak works [01:11] <ogra__> ah, yes, i recognized the german gnome langpacks had to be downloaded, is that intentional ? [01:12] <mdz> ogra__: unless pitti changed it recently, yes [01:12] <mdz> that is not a blocker for colony 3 though [01:12] <carstenh> hmm, via cmov issue sounds like the bug i got in -10 [01:12] <ogra__> nope... just an observation [01:13] <mdz> carstenh: -10 of what? [01:13] <carstenh> mdz: kernel-image-2.6... [01:13] <mdz> X config being broken for most people is a blocker, though :-/ [01:13] <mdz> carstenh: that's not an Ubuntu package [01:14] <carstenh> then -8, its the latest ubuntu version [01:14] <mdz> the latest Ubuntu kernel is linux-image-2.6.12 version 2.6.12-6.10 [01:14] <ogra__> i'll do a reinstall and try to confirm that keyboard thing... my problem i, that the logfile is unusable, its a long single line with tons of escape sequences in it... i cant find a vim replace command to change it... [01:14] <mdz> and unless you're moving the initramfs from one machine to another or using LTSP, you won't encounter #13470 [01:14] <carstenh> oh, i only remembered the 10, sorry. [01:15] <mdz> ogra__: less +/xserver-xorg /var/log/base-config.log [01:15] <Cimmerian> btw, the error was in base-config-pkgsel.log [01:15] <mdz> ogra__: then press 'n' until you get to the interesting bit [01:16] <ogra__> Cimmerian: i dont have this file [01:16] <ogra__> fun [01:17] <carstenh> mdz: JFYI: i got another error with .6-10 [01:18] <mdz> Cimmerian: please file this in bugzilla [01:18] <mdz> carstenh: are you going to tell us what it is? [01:18] <carstenh> mdz: wait a minute [01:18] <ogra__> hmm, i'm blind... [01:21] <carstenh> mdz: "/bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off" sorry, i had this on another pc that is 70km away and had to search my backups for the log [01:21] <carstenh> mdz: but there was something before that [01:21] <mdz> ogra__, Cimmerian: are either of you on powerpc by any chance? [01:21] <ogra__> mdz: that less command works fo you ? [01:21] <carstenh> something i don't remember atm [01:22] <ogra__> mdz: i386 [01:22] <Cimmerian> same here [01:22] <mdz> carstenh: sorry, that isn't enough information. file it in bugzilla if you can provide a complete report [01:22] <mdz> oh, I think I see [01:23] <mdz> Cimmerian: I think I see the problem, but the right solution isn't obvious, please do file in bugzilla [01:23] <Cimmerian> ok, will do [01:24] <mdz> send the bug# and I'll follow up there with my analysis [01:25] <jbailey> jammcq_office: I have it fixed in my tree, waiting for the okay to upload to breezy again. [01:25] <carstenh> Cimmerian: do you have a via samuel too? [01:26] <carstenh> Cimmerian: and if yes does the latest kernel-image work on your box exept the bug you talked about? [01:26] <jammcq_office> jbailey: AWESOME [01:27] <jammcq_office> jbailey: i've added my email to the bug, so i'll get a notification when you update the bug [01:28] <carstenh> hmm, let's fuck up my ubuntu-box with a on my box borken kernel :( [01:28] <jbailey> jammcq_office: 'kay. Would you be interested in testing a deb for me? [01:28] <mdz> Cimmerian: hmm, on further examination I don't see how this happened [01:28] <jbailey> mdz: Other button. =) [01:29] <mdz> jbailey: we've been over this before [01:29] <mdz> jbailey: control+W is a VERY BAD CHOICE for a shortcut key for "close window" [01:29] <jbailey> Ayup [01:29] <mdz> when it has traditionally been "delete word backward" [01:29] <mdz> Cimmerian: any chance you could run through it again with DEBUG_XORG_PACKAGE=yes? [01:30] <mdz> Cimmerian: you'll probably need to purge and reinstall it [01:32] <ogra__> mdz: for me the dpkg-reconfigure worked fine.... i think its how base-config runs the x configuration [01:32] <ogra__> but there is definately no error in my logfile... [01:33] <carstenh> mdz: unable to find volume group 301 ALERT! 301 does not exist, dropping a shell <- the first error message [01:33] <mdz> ogra__: set DEBUG_XORG_PACKAGE=yes [01:33] <ogra__> ok [01:33] <mdz> I guess you'll need to edit base-config before rebooting or something [01:34] <mdz> in /target [01:34] <jammcq_office> jbailey: sure, in about 3 hours [01:34] <ogra__> ah, i cant hand that to the installer ? [01:35] <carstenh> jbailey: do you have something to to with initrd? if yes does volume group 301 tell you something? [01:35] <jbailey> carstenh: I do, and no... Not off hand. [01:36] <carstenh> jbailey: i get this error-message when booting the latest ubuntu-kernel on my via samuel [01:37] <carstenh> jbailey: can you tell me which information should be appended in a bug-report in this case? [01:37] <mdz> ogra__: it needs to be set in the environment of xserver-xorg.config and xserver-xorg.postinst [01:37] <ogra__> ok [01:38] <jbailey> carstenh: Can you give me the exact text of the error message? [01:39] <carstenh> jbailey: device-mapper initializied .... \n unable to find volume group "301" \n Done. \n ALERT! 301 does not exist. dropping a shell! [01:40] <mdz> jbailey: I get something similar, but non-fatal and with "hda6" (root device) being interpreted as a volume group name [01:40] <mdz> carstenh: so I assume you're passing "root=301" on the command line [01:41] <carstenh> jbailey: and then Busybox bla... \n /bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off [01:41] <jbailey> carstenh: cat /proc/cmdline ? [01:41] <Cimmerian> #13532 [01:41] <carstenh> mdz: i use lilo, but the is iirc nothing like this in my lilo.conf [01:42] <jbailey> Ah, lilo remapps the root= to a number. That bug was already filed. [01:42] <carstenh> jbailey: it does not have a keyboard, wait a minute [01:42] <mdz> carstenh: boot in recovery mode, the kernel prints a line like "Kernel command line: ..." [01:42] <Cimmerian> i get that unable to find volume group "hdc2" , but the boot continues anyway [01:42] <jbailey> carstenh: No, I think that tells me enough right at the moment that you use lilo. [01:42] <mdz> Cimmerian: right, because hdc2 is a valid device name [01:42] <mdz> while 301 isn't [01:43] <mdz> initramfs and lilo are currently incompatible I think [01:43] <mdz> s/initramfs/&-tools/ [01:43] <mdz> ogra__, Cimmerian: I have a patch for you guys to test [01:43] <Cimmerian> in vmware i get an error, i'll see if i can get a working setup to find what driver is needed fort that later [01:43] <mdz> ogra__, Cimmerian: just be sure NOT to run dpkg-reconfigure, since that will destroy the state we need to test [01:43] <ogra__> ok [01:43] <mdz> I guess you can always purge/reinstall xserver-xorg though [01:43] <jbailey> Cimmerian: Cool, thanks. [01:44] <carstenh> jbailey: ... root=301 [01:45] <carstenh> jbailey: auto BOOT_IMAGE=Linux ro root=301 is the complete output of cat /proc/cmdline [01:45] <ogra__> .....copying remaining packages .... *yawn* [01:46] <carstenh> mdz: i guess i don't need to boot the recovery-mode anymore [01:47] <Cimmerian> could the vmware error be caused by the virtual disk being scsi? [02:04] <mdz> ogra__: it would have been sufficient to purge and reinstall xserver-xorg [02:04] <ogra__> i'm nearly done now... [02:08] <ogra__> mdz: i'm at tty4 now and see a lot of debconf output.... tty1 is waiting for resolution input... anything special i should look for in the debconf stuff? [02:08] <mdz> ogra__: I'd just like a copy of the debug output [02:09] <mdz> /var/log/base-config.log is fine [02:09] <ogra__> ok, thats should be in the baseconfig log anyway.... [02:10] <ogra__> haha [02:10] <ogra__> dexconf error [02:10] <ogra__> cannot generate configuration file [02:10] <ogra__> mdz: same error as Cimmerian had [02:11] <mdz> ogra__: please send me the whole log [02:11] <ogra__> yep [02:11] <mdz> I need the debug output [02:11] <ogra__> you'll get it, dot worry , but i'm happy i could see an error finally.... less wasnt helpful at all [02:11] <mdz> less works fine for me; I use it on base-config.log all the time [02:12] <ogra__> hmm... searching for xserver did return nothing... but as i said, my logfile is one long singel line.... with tons of escape sequences in it [02:13] <mdz> no it isn't [02:13] <ogra__> probably caused by my locale [02:13] <mdz> oh, maybe it is with the progress bar now [02:13] <ogra__> it is... you'll see it [02:13] <mdz> it's not very useful for it to store the progress bar output; it should save the aptitude output instead [02:14] <ogra__> that'd be ailly, i'd assume it logs the tty4 output, not tty1 [02:14] <ogra__> aptitude has its own log here [02:14] <ogra__> s/ailly/sily [02:14] <ogra__> grmpf [02:14] <mdz> if it's all escape sequences and no aptitude/dpkg output, then it's almost certainly the progress bar [02:14] <mdz> you can 'cat' it and see [02:15] <mdz> anyway, please send whichever log has the xorg debug output in it :-) [02:15] <ogra__> i'll try as soon as the install is done [02:15] <ogra__> yup :) [02:18] <Cimmerian> yeah, when i did a grep on the file, i saw the progressbar [02:19] <ogra__> a grep ? [02:20] <Cimmerian> yes, grep xserver-xorg base-config.log [02:20] <ogra__> oh, scrollkeeper registration seems broken as well... a lot of xml errors suddenly.... [02:21] <ogra__> wow, indeed [02:22] <ogra__> yeah and piping it to less brings up rthe esc sequences.... [02:22] <ogra__> fun to read that... [02:26] <mdz> ogra: can I get that debug output please? [02:26] <ogra> mdz, snet [02:26] <ogra> sent even [02:26] <mdz> thanks [02:27] <ogra> had to change to a usable mailer first :) [02:29] <mdz> ogra: please send /var/cache/debconf/config.dat also [02:29] <ogra> ok [02:32] <mdz> this log does not have the debug output from xserver-xorg.config, only from postinst [02:32] <ogra__> hmm, i exported DEBUG_XORG_PACKAGE=yes on top of base-config [02:33] <mdz> it has part of it [02:33] <mdz> xserver-xorg config note: autodetected X server driver: mga [02:33] <mdz> it ends after that [02:33] <mdz> even though that is only halfway through the script [02:33] <ogra> mdz, want ssh acess ? [02:33] <mdz> ogra: ok [02:36] <mdz> ogra: you still have my key? [02:37] <mdz> ogra: I sent it again anyway [02:37] <mdz> ogra: please file a bug about this: xserver-xorg config note: no video driver modules found in [02:37] <mdz> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers [02:37] <mdz> I think it is unrelated, but seems like a bug anyway [02:38] <mdz> hmm, maybe not [02:38] <mdz> those files will never be there on initial install, but will be on upgrades [02:39] <mdz> it should probably be smarter, but not worth spending time on it right now [02:42] <ogra_> GRR [02:50] <mdz> ok, confirmed the bug [02:50] <mdz> there is supposed to be a sanity check for this but it isn't working [02:50] <ogra_> ah [02:50] <mdz> is this in bugzilla yet? [02:51] <mdz> 13532 [02:51] <ogra_> no idea, only the bug Cimmerian filed i guess... [02:51] <ogra_> yup, thats it [02:55] <mdz> ogra_: ok, please test if X starts with the current xorg.conf on the system [02:57] <ogra__> eeks... /etc/X11/default-display-manager: File not found [02:57] <ogra__> startx works tough .... with 2 nice xterms [02:59] <mdz> maybe default-display-manager was broken by my --force-depends action [02:59] <mdz> but it does generate a config file with my patch [02:59] <ogra__> it worked before... so it must be you [02:59] <ogra__> :) [03:04] <mdz> uploading xorg_6.8.2-50 [03:04] <ogra_> yay [03:09] <ogra_> mdz, if you dont need me anymore i'd go to bed now (working since 17h) ... [03:10] <mdz> ogra_: good night [03:10] <ogra_> mdz, could i ask for a favor ? could you trigger a new edubuntu daily if the fix is up ? [03:11] <Keybuk> oh good, so the one remaining source import on my list of bugs turns out to be a baz bug [03:11] <Keybuk> there had to be one in there somewhere [03:11] <Keybuk> console-tools? nobody uses that anyway, right [03:19] <bytee> quick question. making a small change in a LiveCD (like removing a 2MB package), seems to be a major change in the ISO (i.e. if you rsync, it may take 500MB of changes). anyone know why? [03:21] <Keybuk> cause filesystems aren't generally designed to cause minimum changes [03:28] <bytee> thats when i thought xdelta might help; but it didn't [03:28] <mdz> ogra_: I think so, yes [03:29] <mdz> bytee: the free space in the filesystem still contains the old data [03:29] <Keybuk> xdelta isn't actually really any more or less clever than diff [03:52] <mgalvin> just a heads up... 20050616.8 i386 install worked just fine for me [03:54] <mgalvin> mouse wheel scrolling is still not enabled during the install, gotta go do that myself [04:06] <mdz> mgalvin: thanks [04:07] <mgalvin> np [04:50] <mpt> AndyFitz! [04:52] <jammcq> mdz: hey, jbailey gave me an updated initramfs package, I installed it. how do I re-generate the initramfs for the ltsp client? [05:06] <mdz> jammcq: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.12-6-386 [05:08] <jammcq> mdz: thanks [05:08] <mdz> jbailey: we probably ought to include a script in initramfs-tools to make that easy [05:09] <jbailey> mdz: For ltsp specifically or just one in general? [05:09] <jammcq> i've got a real nice Via 1ghz machine with PXE that i'm gonna test in a few minutes [05:09] <mdz> jbailey: one in general, though it's more interesting for ltsp because `uname -r` doesn't give you the kernel you want [05:12] <jbailey> mdz: It would be easy enough to add a default of some sort to assume /boot/initrd.img-${version}. Right now -o is the only non-optional command line. I think I just need to come up with another option of some sort so that running "mkinitramfs" on its own doesn't suddeny cause your bootup files to get overwritten. [05:14] <jdub> mdz: what time is it there? [05:15] <mdz> jdub: 2015 [05:15] <jdub> thanks [05:16] <mdz> jdub: TZ=America/Los_Angeles date [05:16] <jdub> haha [05:16] <jdub> "oh, underscore" [05:16] <jdub> :-) [05:19] <mdz> jdub: TZ=Am<tab>/Los<tab> ;-) [05:27] <jammcq> jbailey: if yer still awake, your new initramfs seems to work here :) [05:27] <jdub> mdz: i fart in your shell's direction! [05:27] <jammcq> mdz: I can boot a Via 1ghz thin client, from power-on, to GUI login prompt in 1:24 [05:28] <jammcq> and you haven't even tuned it for speed yet :) [05:28] <jbailey> jammcq: Awesome! I'm glad it's working! [05:29] <jdub> :-) [05:29] <jammcq> heh [05:29] <jdub> hrm, ignoring lack of kernel involved in that... ;) [05:29] <jdub> linuxbios looks really sweet now [05:29] <jdub> they're using it in missiles [05:30] <mpt> It's times like these I wish wiki.ubuntu.com's FortuneCookies page wasn't read-only [05:30] <Keybuk> I love the way Dan Jacobson not only files lots of trivial bugs [05:30] <Keybuk> but duplicates himself [05:37] <jammcq> jbailey: bad news, i spoke too soon [05:37] <jbailey> jammcq: Oh? [05:37] <jammcq> apparently, my Via doesn't have a problem, but sbalneav is still having a problem with his 533mhz via [05:38] <jammcq> I sent him my iniramfs image, and it still fails for him [05:38] <sbalneav> Evening all! [05:38] <jbailey> jammcq: Do you know if it's failing in the same way? [05:38] <jbailey> And speaking of... =) [05:38] <infinity> jbailey : Fix all my bugs too!!11@@ [05:38] <sbalneav> jbailey: Hey Jeff! Yeah, failing the same way. [05:40] <jbailey> sbalneav: So it doesn't drop you to a shell or anytyhing, right? [05:41] <crimsun> hmm, is this the lvm issue? [05:41] <jbailey> sbalneav: Can you please go into an empty subdirectory and do zcat INITRAMFS | cpio -i [05:41] <jbailey> Make sure it's empty, it unpacks in the current directory [05:41] <sbalneav> jbailey: No. It doesnt. OK, will do. [05:42] <jbailey> crimsun: The one where it copes poorly with VGs with -'s in it? [05:42] <crimsun> jbailey: right [05:42] <jbailey> crimsun: Or do you have a different issue? [05:42] <jbailey> crimsun: Yeah, I think I decided that if it fails I'm going to fall back to a vgchange -ay for now. [05:42] <jbailey> I'm going to sleep on it though. [05:43] <crimsun> jbailey: cool [05:43] <jbailey> It's either that or just try adding segments of it until I get a match. [05:43] <jbailey> I don't do a vgchange -ay right now because in a multipath setup, not all the paths might be available, so there's a risk of confusing lvm. [05:43] <sbalneav> jbailey: Done. [05:44] <jbailey> sbalneav: Can you look in the lib subdir and see if libc.so.6 is in there? [05:44] <jbailey> Or if it's buried in a lib/tls directory somewhere? [05:45] <sbalneav> jbailey: it's in /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 [05:45] <jbailey> sbalneav: And this is the initramfs file that jammcq sent you, or did you generate one on your own again? [05:46] <jbailey> If it's the same one, then jammcq's machine shouldn't have booted with it in that place. [05:46] <jammcq> jbailey: just figured out the 1ghz Via is quite a bit different from the 533 [05:47] <jammcq> mine supports CMOV, the 533 doesn't [05:47] <infinity> Yes, very much so. [05:47] <jbailey> Ah, via finally grew the useful instructions, eh? [05:47] <sbalneav> This is one that jammcq sent me. But it looks as if his version of processor DOES support the cmov instruction. [05:47] <infinity> jbailey : Yes, the latest ones off the line are a whole new core and seem to be significantly spiffier in a variety of ways. [05:47] <jbailey> But still, 0.21 is supposed to unconditionally not use that. The testcase I have here does [05:47] <jammcq> jbailey: spoken like a true canadian [05:48] <jammcq> ok, running of the 0.21 is confusing me [05:48] <jbailey> Hmm. [05:48] <jammcq> mdz says to run it chrooted to /opt/ltsp/i386 [05:48] <jammcq> BUT [05:48] <jbailey> Yeah [05:48] <jbailey> Did you install the initramfs-tools in that chroot? =) [05:48] <jammcq> how would it then drop the files into /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp ? [05:48] <jammcq> jbailey: nope, but sbalneav did [05:49] <jbailey> Sounds like there's a couple steps that might need to be done then. [05:49] <sbalneav> I did it in the chroot environment. [05:50] <jammcq> when you run that dpkg-reconfigure in the chroot, where is it supposed to drop the new initramfs ? [05:50] <jbailey> The dpkg -i was done in the chroot as well? [05:50] <jbailey> jammcq: It would have to be in the chroot. It can't see out. [05:50] <infinity> jammcq : In /boot/ in the chroot. [05:50] <infinity> jammcq : Well, in /boot/, if that's what /etc/kernel-img.conf says. [05:51] <sbalneav> yup. Copied the .deb to /opt/ltsp/i386, chrooted there, dpkg -i initramfs-tools....deb, dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools. [05:51] <sbalneav> That was the sequence from my end [05:51] <infinity> That shouild be dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.12-6-686 (or whatever image you have installed) [05:51] <infinity> dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools won't do much for you. [05:52] <jammcq> doh [05:52] <infinity> jbailey : I want a "regenrate initramfs for every image I have installed" options. [05:53] <infinity> jbailey : Like mkinitramfs -a --force --yes-i-know-this-may-leave-me-with-no-way-to-boot, or something. [05:53] <jammcq> how does the new kernel and initramfs image get from /opt/ltsp/i386/boot to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp ? [05:53] <jammcq> which is where tftpd serves it up from [05:54] <infinity> No idea, but mdz's only been idle for 7 minutes, maybe he can explain it. :) [05:54] <infinity> When I did tftp/nfsroot stuff back in the day, I used to do all my chroot maintenance through a wrapper that would copy stuff around as a last step. [05:55] <jbailey> infinity: What should it do? Any file that matches '/boot/initrd.img-PATTERN' ? [05:56] <infinity> Alternately, if /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp and /opt/ltsp/i386 share a similar layout, one could bind-mound them to make sure they're always in sync. THat could be clever. :) [05:56] <jbailey> Hates the bind mounts. [05:56] <jbailey> I'm still bitter about wiping my homedir by accident. [05:56] <jdub> *ow* [05:56] <infinity> jbailey : I wiped my home directory in the great bind mount fire of... Uhh... April. [05:57] <infinity> jbailey : But I later discovered it in another chroot. (!) [05:57] <jbailey> Ahahaha. [05:57] <sbalneav> jbailey: yeah that was it. Didn't even think about the sanity of reconfigureing the tools, and not the kernel. Fixded. [05:57] <jbailey> sbalneav: Sweet! [05:57] <jbailey> I like that answer. =) [05:57] <infinity> (The kernel, in its infinite wisdom, decided that its canonical home was no longer /home, but /chroot/woody/home) [05:58] <infinity> jbailey : 'rm -rf /chroot/potato' left me with no more home anywhere, except one in the woody chroot. Very weird behavior. [05:58] <jbailey> So hmm.. mkinitramfs --regenerate --all --no-warranty? [05:58] <jdub> jbailey: --do-not-pass-go [05:59] <jbailey> jdub: Well, I'd generally hope that it would actually work. =) [06:01] <infinity> jbailey : Oh, and to finish the story and cement your hatre of bind mounts, /chroot is a seperate fielsystem, so that rm -rf actually MOVRF my /home to another disk. [06:02] <sbalneav> Booted. Sitting at a breezy desktop. [06:02] <infinity> MOVED, eve. [06:02] <jbailey> infinity: Ah cool. Yeah, the separate filesystem saved me for all of my Ubuntu hacking stuff. [06:02] <jbailey> infinity: That had been mounted under my home dir. [06:02] <jbailey> sbalneav: Awesome! [06:02] <Keybuk> people who use "rm -rf" deserve everything they get! [06:03] <jbailey> sbalneav: This'll be in the archive tomorrow sometime. [06:03] <jbailey> Keybuk: I saw a great piece of embroidery at the SIPB lag at MIT: "rm is forever" [06:03] <Keybuk> though I do often wish for a "don't traverse mounts" option for rm [06:03] <sbalneav> Keybuk: Yeah, much faster to do a cat /dev/null > /dev/hda :) [06:03] <Keybuk> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda is more traditional [06:04] <jbailey> /dev/zero [06:04] <infinity> Keybuk : A -x option equivalent to du would be nice. [06:04] <jbailey> I think pulling from /dev/null should give an EOF right away. [06:04] <Keybuk> infinity: you have a distro, get the patch-gun out [06:04] <infinity> Keybuk : But, du -x doesn't seem to respect bind mounts anyway. [06:06] <Keybuk> THIS IS SO FUCKING BROKEN I ... oh, I can fix it! :D [06:12] <lifeless> jbailey: it does doesn't it ? dev null is empty, dev zero is 000's. [06:22] <fabbione> morning [06:23] <jbailey> Fabio's here, it's officially time to go to bed. =) [06:23] <fabbione> ehehhe [06:23] <fabbione> night jb :) [06:31] <Keybuk> heh, yeah, I try and use that metric too [06:31] <Keybuk> and if I miss that one, it's cron.daily [06:31] <Keybuk> Subject: dpkg_1.13.11_i386.changes ACCEPTED [06:31] <Keybuk> \o/ clearly bed-time [06:32] <infinity> Yeah, I go to bed 48 times a day, at :03 and :33. [06:32] <infinity> cron.daily rules. [06:32] <Keybuk> there's a name for that [06:32] <Keybuk> Polyphasic sleep? [06:32] <infinity> Slut? [06:32] <infinity> Oh, or that one. [06:33] <infinity> I assume that new dpkg incorporated Kamion's Replaces fix from Ubuntu? [06:33] <Keybuk> it did, yeah [06:33] <Keybuk> though I doubt it'll hit Ubuntu because it's full of scary other fixes [06:33] <Keybuk> like fixing the fact that dpkg's error unwinding has never worked [06:34] <infinity> Yeah, reading the changelog now. [06:34] <infinity> I mostly wanted to see Colin's fix in Debian, so tjhis is good enough for me. [06:34] <infinity> It also means that dselect will finally do the C++ transition. \o/ [06:39] <jdub> mdz: yes :-) [06:41] <jdub> mdz: and you'll need to use it if you want to chat now (going away from terminal) [06:47] <Treenaks> jdub: am I on planet ubuntu yet? :) [07:38] <pitti> Morning! [07:38] <pitti> fabbione: Herbert agreed to do the Hoary kernel as well [07:38] <fabbione> pitti: ah cool... i was going to start today on it [07:38] <fabbione> but that's EVEN SO MUCH BETTER :) [07:38] <pitti> hehe [07:41] <infinity> pitti : Oh, given our current stance on mozilla-* security, shoudl i just close 12865? [07:43] <pitti> infinity: a patch system would still be nice, but this would rather be a bug for the debian maintainer, I guess [07:44] <pitti> infinity: doing it on our own would be just messy... [07:52] <fabbione> pitti: i am still missing a CAN number... [07:53] <fabbione> . Fix x86_64 memleak from malicious 32bit elf program. [07:53] <fabbione> (CAN-2005-XXXX) [07:54] <pitti> fabbione: I will ask for one, but don't delay the upload just for that [07:54] <fabbione> i need to wait for mdz to release colony 3 anyway [07:56] <pitti> ah, ok [07:56] <pitti> CAN requested [07:58] <fabbione> thanks [08:45] <siretart> morning [08:46] <pitti> Hi siretart [08:46] <pitti> Moin JaneW [08:48] <siretart> hm. can anyone confirm this is indeed an arch repository? http://pkg-lyx.alioth.debian.org/devel/ [08:48] <JaneW> moin moin pitti ;) [08:48] <siretart> I'm having problems checking it out [08:48] <siretart> :( [08:49] <Lathiat> anyone know that recently new ext3 driver for windows [08:49] <Treenaks> siretart: Guessing archive format as tla 1.0. This is normal with old archives, you can ignore it unless other errors occur. [08:49] <Lathiat> ah i foudn it [08:50] <siretart> Treenaks: I always get 'PANIC: Invalid archive given', when trying to rbrowse. how to check it out? [08:50] <JaneW> pitti: can I ask you about PrintingRoadmap quickly, it seems agreed that the majority of it will be deferred, but mdz said that 'the one piece of that which we should attempt is hplip support out of the box' Do you know if anyone can or will do that in time for Breezy? [08:50] <fabbione> pitti: can you please ask Herbert to check this patch: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/07/msg00231.html ? [08:51] <Treenaks> siretart: that works for me [08:51] <Treenaks> siretart: but baz get telsl me: [08:51] <Treenaks> archive not registered: rweir@ertius.org--2004-debian [08:51] <fabbione> pitti: we are affected by that problem and it's a one liner that would fix raid memory leak [08:51] <Treenaks> siretart: so there's a redirect somewhere? [08:52] <Treenaks> siretart: but rweir _sounds_ like bob2, so ask him :) [08:52] <siretart> Treenaks: I have no idea. I try to fix lyx for ubuntu, and found that. I hoped that would be the archive of the lyx packaging team [08:52] <siretart> bob2: around? [08:54] <pitti> JaneW: I can't test it, don't have such a printer; in theory, doko, daniels, and mdz can do it [08:54] <JaneW> pitti: ok, in the mean time I'll move the rest to deferred... [08:55] <infinity> daniels doesn't have a printer. [08:55] <pitti> not any more? hm, ok [08:55] <pitti> he had in the past [08:55] <infinity> Not since he moved out of his father's house. [08:55] <pitti> ah, ok [08:55] <pitti> I don't have a printer any more since my flatmate moved to Switzerland [08:55] <pitti> fabbione: I'll check [08:55] <Treenaks> I have 2 broken printers.. [08:55] <pitti> fabbione: ah, got the last CAN, I mail you [08:56] <fabbione> pitti: perfect [08:56] <doko> pitti: yes, I can do that ... (I should have been quiet about my printer :-/) [08:59] <jane_> got disconnected - mutter [08:59] <jane_> doko: are you prepared to do it, and do you have capacity? (please please please) [09:00] <jane_> did colony 3 release yet? (the topic implies not) [09:00] <doko> jane_: who can say no to that ... [09:02] <jane_> doko: yay, thanks *hug* [09:06] <jane_> doko: can I mark it as WIP? (chancing my luck now! *duck) [09:07] <doko> jane_: yes [09:07] <jane_> doko: *bounce* you rock [09:18] <jsgotangco> hi sabdfl [09:19] <pitti> Moin seb128 [09:19] <pitti> elmo: please sync pstotext [09:20] <seb128> hey pitti [09:21] <pitti> sjoerd: here by chance? [09:21] <sjoerd> pitti: yeah [09:21] <pitti> cool [09:22] <pitti> darn, where's daniels [09:22] <pitti> anyway [09:22] <pitti> sjoerd: yesterday, seb128 and me talked again about not restarting dbus and hal on upgrades [09:22] <pitti> sjoerd: I was finally convinced about it [09:22] <pitti> sjoerd: what would you think about the Debian side? [09:23] <sjoerd> about not restarting it you mean ? [09:23] <pitti> yes [09:23] <pitti> more and more upstreams use dbus, and we can't keep up with patching them all [09:23] <sjoerd> it sucks, but your right [09:23] <pitti> even right now we only patched g-v-m and update-notifier [09:23] <pitti> gvfs, panel, etc. still break [09:24] <seb128> pitti: <daniels> i'm trying not to ship *any* .la's [09:24] <seb128> pitti: (dbus.la bug) [09:24] <pitti> seb128: ah, ok, so on purpose [09:24] <seb128> yep [09:24] <seb128> you can read the changelog, I put them back to fix some build, and out again and rebuilt n-c-b/hal [09:25] <seb128> if an another .la mention it we just have to push a rebuild [09:25] <seb128> (was just to mention it, didn't want to break your dbus/hal discussion) [09:26] <pitti> seb128: ah, I read it again, thanks [09:26] <seb128> I comment on bug? [09:26] <pitti> seb128, sjoerd: well, we all seem to agree about dbus [09:26] <pitti> seb128: let's just close it as NOTABUG then [09:26] <seb128> I'll ask if there is a .la mentionning it, that would mean a package to rebuild [09:27] <seb128> but right [09:27] <seb128> sjoerd: you agree with not restarting? [09:28] <sjoerd> I agree with the fact that we can't patch everything out there... [09:29] <seb128> right [09:29] <sjoerd> i still think that it's a stupid mentality from dbus upstream :) [09:29] <pitti> sjoerd: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13312, btw [09:30] <pitti> sjoerd: I agree, it's a lazy school of thought [09:30] <pitti> sjoerd: I don't like it either, but reality is just against us, I'm afraid [09:30] <sjoerd> yup [09:30] <seb128> I kind of understand them ... they prefer to put this amount of work to something else [09:31] <sjoerd> so for dbus 0.3x and hal 0.5.x i'll just follow ubuntu's path of not restarting... [09:31] <sjoerd> probably have some time next week to sink ubuntu's packages into debian experimental again.. [09:31] <seb128> sjoerd: do we have an i386 build now? :) [09:31] <pitti> sjoerd: ok [09:32] <sjoerd> seb128: nope, just sparc and ppc [09:32] <seb128> bah [09:32] <pitti> sjoerd: I can build i386 packages on my server if wanted [09:32] <pitti> but isn't experimental autobuilt now? [09:32] <seb128> not for i386 apparently [09:32] <sjoerd> apparently not [09:32] <sivang> morning all [09:33] <pitti> sjoerd: ok, ping me, I'll build them [09:33] <pitti> Hi sivang [09:33] <infinity> I should set up an i386/experimental buildd. [09:33] <seb128> pitti: so many people use i386 that nobody bother to do an autobuilder for it :) [09:33] <sjoerd> every dd who's interested can do a binary-only build for x86, i don't really care [09:33] <sivang> hey pitti , what's up? [09:33] <infinity> AFAIK, there isn't one. [09:33] <sjoerd> apparently nobody cared enough for the dbus experimental package :) [09:33] <seb128> yeah [09:35] <seb128> hi JaneW [09:35] <JaneW> hi seb [09:36] <sjoerd> seb128: the suckiest part of it all is that more dbus services will come and if one of them dies/restarts your complete desktop could misbehave [09:36] <sjoerd> but well, can't fix the whole world :) [09:36] <seb128> I've tried to argue with upstreams/redhat/suse guys some days ago [09:37] <seb128> hitting a wall is the same [09:37] <sjoerd> yeah i know [09:37] <JaneW> doko: OOLocalisation is one of the only pending goals left. I see you are waiting on responses etc, but do you think anything will get done on this in time for Breezy? or is it another defer candidate? [09:44] <doko> JaneW: I'll update the status, that is mostly done [09:44] <JaneW> doko: great, want me to do it for you? I am busy editing... [09:45] <doko> JaneW: ok, I want to talk with carlos first [09:46] <JaneW> doko: ok [09:52] <siretart> infinity: do you know about libdps-dev? In debian, it is build by xorg, I miss it in breezy [09:52] <siretart> infinity: I found a package in universe (pstoedit) which build depends on it, perhaps there are more [09:55] <infinity> siretart : It's gone, completely, including upstream. [09:55] <infinity> siretart : Anything build-depending on it should be taught not to. [09:55] <siretart> i.e. be removed? [09:55] <infinity> siretart : Debian won't have it as soon as they move to Xorg 6.9 or 7.0, 6.8 was the last release that had it. [09:56] <siretart> hm [09:58] <infinity> siretart : There is no free implementation of DPS in any xserver, so any client linking to that library can't actually USE it to display anything anyway. [09:58] <infinity> siretart : Teach the packages to not use those features, and you're golden. [10:00] <seb128> pitti: xorg issues with your amd64 liveCD? [10:01] <infinity> siretart : At a quick glance, pstoedit doesn't actually appear to directly link or call anything in dps, so you should be able to just drop the build-dep. [10:01] <siretart> infinity: I try with pstoedit [10:01] <pitti> seb128: yes, that stopped me pretty early [10:01] <pitti> seb128: mdz fixed that last night, IIRC [10:02] <seb128> pitti: yeah, I'm waiting for a new CD, I had the same issue with the amd64 liveCD this night [10:02] <pitti> Hi chmj [10:02] <pitti> chmj: I checked the bluez-utils vuln again, warty and hoary are not affected [10:03] <pitti> chmj: can you please add the CAN number to the changelog on your next upload? [10:03] <siretart> infinity: what do you know, you are perfectly right! [10:03] <siretart> infinity: thanks! [10:04] <lifeless> is breezy considered dogfoodable now ? [10:04] <pitti> lifeless: upgrade should work reasonably [10:05] <infinity> lifeless : Works For Me(tm) [10:08] <seb128> is there an "official" way to make an /etc file not a conffile? [10:08] <seb128> or should I hack <package>/DEBIAN/conffiles? [10:08] <Mithrandir> seb128: uhm, why do you want to do that? [10:08] <seb128> because the gdm Debian maintainer does it for a file [10:09] <seb128> and we have a dpkg question on upgrade [10:09] <pitti> seb128: usually files shipped in debs are conffiles [10:09] <seb128> yeah, but I'm not going to argue with the Debian maintainer [10:09] <pitti> seb128: if not, you need to ship it in /usr/share, and cp it in the postinst [10:09] <seb128> and hoary has this file as not a conffile [10:10] <JaneW> has anyone seen Unfrgiven around recently? [10:10] <seb128> the gdm Debian package does "perl -pi -e 's#^/etc/gdm/factory-gdm.conf\n##sm' debian/gdm/DEBIAN/conffiles [10:10] <seb128> " [10:10] <pitti> seb128: just do [ -e /etc/file ] || install -m 644 /usr/share/gdm/file /etc/file [10:10] <pitti> or so [10:10] <seb128> pitti: as ugly as the conffiles hack imho :) [10:10] <pitti> seb128: the best way would be to transition it to become a conffile [10:10] <pitti> that would solve the problem once and for all [10:11] <pitti> but is tricky to do [10:11] <seb128> "transition"? [10:11] <pitti> seb128: hard because you can't tell whether it was changed [10:11] <pitti> seb128: however, you can hardcode the md5sum of the unmodified file into the preinst [10:11] <pitti> seb128: so check the md5dum in preinst, and if it matches, just delete it [10:12] <pitti> seb128: then you won't get a question if you never touched it [10:12] <pitti> seb128: however, that only works if the file didn't change too often in the past [10:13] <seb128> right [10:13] <seb128> not the case for this one [10:13] <\sh> morning [10:13] <seb128> it contains the gdm config [10:13] <seb128> so every time an option has been changed it moved [10:14] <seb128> I'll do the same as the Debian package probably [10:15] <pitti> seb128: so the perl hack is done in debian/rules? or in postinst? [10:16] <seb128> debian/rules after dh_installdeb [10:16] <pitti> seb128: ah, so after DEBIAN/conffiles is generated... how ugly [10:16] <seb128> yeah [10:16] <pitti> seb128: Debian should fix this - this file should be a conffile [10:17] <seb128> yeah, Debian should have a correct gdm package [10:17] <seb128> ie: not outdated for 1 6 month [10:17] <seb128> and with a proper packaging and not all the changes to the diff.gz [10:18] <pitti> seb128: ah, I remember, this was a messy package... :-( [10:18] <seb128> yeah, that's still [10:18] <Lathiat> blah the installer decided to use lilo instead of grub and then the boto breaks due to the lilo/initramfs thing [10:19] <Lathiat> Anyone noticed the first time DHCP happens in the installer it never works for them? same thing happens on the livecd, it never works i retry or do it manually an dit works instantly [10:19] <chmj> pitti: pong, ok will do [10:19] <pitti> $ sudo dpkg -P --force-depends --force-remove-essential login [10:19] <pitti> uuh... [10:20] <mvo> Lathiat: dhcp seems to work fine here on my test-install [10:20] <Lathiat> mvo: hrm [10:20] <pitti> Lathiat: for me, too [10:20] <Lathiat> happens every single time without fail [10:20] <pitti> mvo: btw, I still don't get a correct position for the u-n notification [10:21] <pitti> mvo: it points too far to the left, and the arrow is at the standard position [10:21] <pitti> mvo: I though you fixed the arrow? [10:21] <mvo> pitti: what version? I uploaded 0.40.4 yesterday [10:21] <pitti> mvo: oh, ok, I'll upgrade [10:21] <pitti> mvo: I though you fixed this in n-d [10:21] <mvo> pitti: yes, I fixed the arrow, the next problem is to figure where to actually point to :) [10:21] <mvo> and that needs to be done in u-n [10:22] <pitti> mvo: updated, restarted, still wrong position [10:22] <mvo> during startup it give some funny values when the widget is asked for it's position (-1,-1;0,0,-1,1187 ...) [10:22] <pitti> mvo: want a screenshot? [10:22] <mvo> pitti: yes please (you restarted u-n)? [10:23] <pitti> mvo: yes, killall and restart [10:23] <mvo> hrm, bad. a screenshot would be nice. what arch? [10:23] <pitti> mvo: amd64 :-) [10:24] <pitti> mvo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/shots/u-n-pos.png [10:24] <Treenaks> pitti: Maybe there are x-chat updates? [10:24] <Treenaks> *hide* [10:25] <Lathiat> the notifier dialogs dont scale for DPI [10:26] <Lathiat> cus when my DPI is at 120 they almost hit the edge [10:26] <Lathiat> possibly because its being squashed up against the side to try stick the arrow on the udpate notifier [10:26] <Lathiat> without moving the arrow [10:26] <mvo> pitti: I assume your notification-daemon is at the latest version? [10:26] <pitti> mvo: oops, I have 0.2.2-0ubuntu1 [10:27] <pitti> that was a test version [10:27] <pitti> sorry [10:27] <mvo> pitti: no problem [10:27] <seb128> evince really rocks [10:27] <mvo> Lathiat: there are still arrow placement issues when the position is e.g. at the very, very far end of the right-hand side [10:27] <seb128> the text selection is rocking [10:27] <mvo> Lathiat: (and on a lot of other places too) [10:28] <pitti> mvo: works now, rock! (and sorry for the noise) [10:29] <mvo> pitti: no worries :) [10:31] <seb128> grumpf [10:31] <seb128> pitti: does "gdmflexiserver --xnest" still open this selection list ofr you? [10:33] <pitti> seb128: right now I only get an error dialog "new display could not be started" [10:33] <srijith> read from forum that you guys are looking for laptop testers [10:33] <srijith> is that still on or are there enough tesrers? [10:33] <srijith> s/tesrers/testers [10:34] <pitti> seb128: if I choose "new login" from the menu, I still get the selection list [10:34] <seb128> grumpf [10:34] <seb128> oh right [10:34] <seb128> interesting [10:34] <seb128> thanks :) [10:35] <seb128> I was trying with --xnest [10:39] <mdz> seb128: new live CDs building now [10:39] <seb128> mdz: cool [10:39] <mdz> should fix the X issue [10:40] <mdz> I don't think I will stay awake for them, though [10:40] <seb128> I'm ready to sync/try :) [10:40] <mdz> but I would like to know if they work for you [10:42] <seb128> mdz: when should the new image be available? [10:42] <mvo> mdz: is it a know problem that the language-pack-gnome-en-{base} are missing on the install cd? [10:43] <mdz> mvo: dunno, ask pitti [10:43] <mdke> after a dist-upgrade from colony 2, I get 4 grub entries instead of 2, 2 for the 2.6.10 kernel, and 2 for the 2.5.12 kernel: is this problem known? [10:43] <mdz> seb128: the live builds are fairly quick; should be ~10m [10:43] <pef> hi [10:43] <mvo> mdz: I just did a test-install and it hangs because it wants to fetch them from the net [10:43] <mdz> it will be 20050817 [10:44] <seb128> cool [10:44] <mdz> mvo: why hangs? [10:44] <mvo> mdz: for some reason a apt-get update failed and no gpg signatures are available anymore. then aptitude prompts and the installer can't cope with that [10:45] <pitti> mvo: ah, I'll seed them [10:45] <mvo> (prompts for unauthenticated packages) [10:46] <mvo> pitti: thanks [10:46] <pitti> mvo: hm, the powerpc install cd is already full, so there's only room for gnome-en [10:46] <pitti> mvo: (gosh, there was space before, who filled it???) [10:47] <mdz> pitti: first come, first served ;-) [10:47] <mvo> pitti: I didn't :) (/me whistles innocently) [10:48] <mvo> mdz: I guess the real fix is to make libapt smarter about failed updates? (recheck the available signatures against a failed download or make the whole operation either all or nothing)? [10:49] <pitti> mdz: ok, I throw some other langpacks off the powerpc CD, it does not make sense to have the base, but not the gnome translation [10:49] <mdz> mvo: the update should fail if the .gpg retrievals failed for a non-transient reason [10:50] <mvo> hm, why does base-config try a aptitude update before it has network... [10:50] <mvo> mdz: ok, I have a look at this today [10:51] <seb128> mdz: is that ok to package the new djvulibre? It has a new soname, but nothing out of evince use it, and the current evince what a new version of nothing (we can also build evince without djvulibre)? [10:52] <seb128> (after colony 3) [10:57] <mdz> seb128: does evince require the latest djvulibre? [10:57] <seb128> w/what/want/ on my previous sentence [10:57] <seb128> "evince wants a new version of nothing (we can also build evince without djvulibre)" [10:58] <mvo> hm, stage2 seems to not bring up the network but tries to get various stuff from the net [10:59] <dholbach> hey [11:00] <pitti> Hi dholbach [11:00] <jsgotangco> hi [11:00] <dholbach> hey martin, michael, jerome! how are you guys? :) [11:00] <ogra_> wohoo dholbach [11:01] <dholbach> oliver! :) [11:01] <sivang> mdz: are you ok with me trying to patch default applets for lpint until UI freeze? [11:01] <siretart> huhu dholbach! [11:01] <sivang> dholbach: hey :) [11:02] <mdz> seb128: live CD builds are up [11:02] <dholbach> hi everybody - i've good news: i'll bring my thesis to printing and binding today :-D [11:03] <mdz> sivang: applets, such as which? [11:03] <jdub> elmo: planet update please :-) [11:03] <ajmitch> dholbach: great! :) [11:03] <sivang> mdz: those that come with the gnome-panel package, mostly [11:03] <pitti> mvo: seeding completed [11:03] <jsgotangco> nice [11:03] <siretart> dholbach: congratulations! [11:03] <siretart> :) [11:04] <dholbach> thanks :) [11:04] <pitti> dholbach: contrats, great to hear! [11:04] <pitti> dholbach: when you will defend it? [11:04] <dholbach> pitti: september, 2nd [11:05] <jdub> dholbach: woohoo! [11:05] <mvo> dholbach: I'll be in the crowd that listens [11:05] <Nafallo> jdub: you got my mailinglist-request? :-) [11:05] <jsgotangco> dholbach, i will slay a goat and burn it as an offering to your success heh [11:05] <jdub> Nafallo: yes, will sort out when ig et home tonight [11:05] <Nafallo> jdub: kewl :-) [11:06] <dholbach> pitti: i'll move to berlin, work on another project with my dad and prepare the presentation in between - so i'll still be busy :) [11:06] <dholbach> jdub: mine too? :) [11:06] <jdub> dholbach: same answer :-) [11:06] <dholbach> jsgotangco: that's too kind of you :) [11:06] <ajmitch> dholbach: well done on getting it finished [11:06] <dholbach> i'm so relieved already [11:06] <jsgotangco> finishing a thesis is always feels good [11:06] <infinity> mdz : If you're building livecds based on the images that built 3 hours ago, you're probably missing your /dev/tty* fix, which I think was uploaded after that. [11:06] <jsgotangco> (of course there's still the defense..but) [11:07] <Nafallo> dholbach: nice one indeed :-) [11:07] <mdz> infinity: I put a workaround into casper [11:07] <sivang> mdz: for starters; clock, fish, notification_area, wncklet [11:07] <infinity> mdz : Ahh, if it's fixed in casper, then perhaps I should pull the makedev fix. This does only affect livecds, afterall. [11:07] <seb128> mdz: cool, /me sync [11:07] <mdz> infinity: it's sort of a corner case, but I think it's broader than live CDs [11:07] <mdz> I'm not sure where best to fix it at this point [11:08] <mdz> but it's time to sleep [11:08] <mdz> sivang: let's talk about it in 7+ hours [11:08] <ogra_> can someone explain me how i trigger a cd build for edubuntu ? [11:08] <seb128> mdz: about djvulibre? [11:08] <seb128> mdz: let's talk about it later if you want, there is no hurry that's for after colony 3 anyway [11:08] <jdub> mdz: were you intending to call earlier? [11:08] <mdz> ogra_: you ask me, or colin when he isn't off getting married [11:09] <mdz> seb128: yes, let's talk about it after I've slept [11:09] <ogra_> mdz, is this much work ? or could yu do it? i'd like to benefit from thecolony base [11:09] <mdz> jdub: I'd never successfully gotten in touch with you via that number and was wondering if I should delete it from my directory [11:09] <sivang> mdz: sure, thanks [11:09] <mdz> ogra_: there is no colony 3 yet [11:09] <ogra_> oops [11:10] <\sh> grmpf..what was the daily iso download url again? [11:10] <ogra_> ok then... [11:10] <sivang> mdz: night :) [11:10] <mdz> night all [11:10] <ogra_> night mdz [11:10] <dholbach> good night mdz [11:10] <jdub> mdz: oh. i don't roam. [11:10] <\sh> g'night mdz [11:10] <ogra_> \sh, cdimage.ubuntu.com [11:10] <mvo> good night mdz [11:10] <\sh> ogra_: thx [11:10] <jsgotangco> night [11:10] <seb128> 'night mdz [11:12] <fabbione> elmo: can you please lart katie to stop spamming me with that UNACCEPTED message [11:12] <fabbione> night mdz [11:12] <dholbach> hi fabbione :) [11:14] <fabbione> hi dholbach [11:18] <\sh> ok...putting windwos xp again on this baby...and then trying new daily iso...for resizing ntfs partition [11:35] <sivang> \sh: so now you are logged from a laptop ? [11:36] <\sh> sivang: I'm on my hp nc6000 [11:36] <\sh> sivang: and I'm playing with the portege [11:36] <volvoguy> \sh, don't say that word. :) [11:37] <ogra_> playing or protege ? [11:37] <volvoguy> portege. [11:37] <volvoguy> the bane of my existance. [11:37] <seb128> trying the liveCD, brb [11:38] <sivang> volvoguy: Aaaron! I've never caught you on IRC before :) How have you bee ? [11:38] <sivang> s/bee/been/ [11:38] <\sh> volvoguy: believe me...it's just like a good looking girl...it looks nice..but it's a nasty b*tch sometimes ,-) [11:38] <volvoguy> sivang, i'm still alive. still sore with back problems. trying to get back into the swing of things with the laptop and art teams. [11:39] <volvoguy> \sh, i'm just bitter. i'm not even remotely close to getting Breezy installed on mine. [11:39] <\sh> volvoguy: which one u have? [11:39] <\sh> the S100? [11:39] <sivang> \sh: what's portege ? [11:40] <volvoguy> \sh, the Portege S100 [11:40] <volvoguy> sivang, Toshiba laptops. [11:40] <\sh> sivang: toshiba portege r200 [11:40] <sivang> volvoguy: ah, cool [11:40] <volvoguy> it's a kick-butt machine, but almost a little too new for ubuntu thus far. [11:41] <\sh> volvoguy: well..u have a cdrom at least [11:41] <volvoguy> sata drives connected to an intel chipset that does software raid (or some such thing) [11:41] <jdub> volvoguy: have you checked the bios for sata/pata compatilibity mode options [11:42] <volvoguy> \sh, yeah. the colony 2 live cd doesn't start x, but i just downloaded a nightly to try. [11:43] <\sh> volvoguy: u see...I don't have one...;-) I just borrowed an usb dvd from a friend :) [11:43] <pitti> jdub: I'm going to change dbus and hal now to not restart on upgrade; any objections? [11:43] <volvoguy> jdub, the bios warns that all the data on the drive will be wiped if i convert it to a non-raid device. i could try that, but i thought part of the goal was to try to get breezy working on these out of the box - ie. leaving windows and resizing the NTFS partition. [11:43] <\sh> volvoguy: forget it..the first thing i did...remove windows, cause resizing wasn't working [11:44] <\sh> volvoguy: but I'll try resizing just now with new daily iso... [11:44] <volvoguy> \sh, at the moment that's irrelevant because the installer doesn't recognize a hard disc. i could wipe it, change it to a non-raid disk, install windows and then start from there. [11:45] <\sh> do it :) [11:45] <jdub> pitti: !!! [11:45] <\sh> ok..lunch time...laters [11:45] <volvoguy> if jdub or the laptop leaders give me the ok, i'll start right now. :) [11:46] <Lathiat> mm [11:46] <Lathiat> sata [11:46] <Lathiat> i bet [11:46] <volvoguy> Lathiat, yep. it's a sata drive. [11:46] <Lathiat> laptop.. raid.. ? wah? [11:47] <volvoguy> Lathiat, that's what i said. without removing the DVD/CDRW drive, you can add a second hard drive and do raid 1 or 0. [11:47] <Lathiat> ah [11:47] <Lathiat> crack smoking [11:47] <volvoguy> i think i'll save that for the next major release. :) [11:48] <Lathiat> so how will making it non-raid work? [11:49] <jdub> it's the sata/pata stuff that really matters [11:49] <volvoguy> the theory is that it's the new-fangled Intel software raid and chipset that is making the drive invisible to the installer. [11:49] <Lathiat> ah [11:49] <volvoguy> there are only two options in the bios for the HDD - RAID or JBOD. [11:50] <jdub> hrm, pia had one of these monsters [11:50] <Lathiat> love the technicaly terms there [11:50] <Lathiat> JBOD [11:50] <volvoguy> PITA is what I say. :) [11:52] <volvoguy> actually, i popped in here for a quick script question. i have a folder of svgz files that i want to convert to (gunzipped) svg files. any idea how i could do that recursively over a couple folders with hundreds of files? [11:53] <Mithrandir> find -name \*.svgz -print0 | xargs -0 gzip -d ? [11:53] <volvoguy> lemme try. [11:55] <volvoguy> example result: gzip: ./zip.svgz: unknown suffix -- ignored [11:56] <Mithrandir> try to add -f ? [11:56] <Treenaks> add -Ssvgz [11:56] <Treenaks> or -S"" [11:56] <volvoguy> to which part? [11:56] <ogra_> the end [11:56] <Treenaks> volvoguy: the gunzip/gzip part [11:57] <volvoguy> -f gives same results. [11:57] <Treenaks> volvoguy: try the -S [11:57] <volvoguy> same. [11:58] <volvoguy> like so, right? "find -name \*.svgz -print0 | xargs -0 gzip -d -S"" [11:59] <ogra_> take rather the -Ssvgz [12:00] <volvoguy> like so? "find -name \*.svgz -print0 | xargs -0 gzip -d -Ssvgz" ? [12:00] <ogra_> yup [12:00] <volvoguy> same. [12:01] <Treenaks> unknown suffix? [12:01] <ogra_> ah... [12:01] <ogra_> -S .svgz [12:01] <volvoguy> gzip: ./zip.svgz: unknown suffix -- ignored [12:01] <Treenaks> volvoguy: what ogra_ said [12:01] <volvoguy> that stripped the extension completely. [12:02] <ogra_> did it also unpack it ? [12:02] <volvoguy> they're indeed unpacked though. [12:02] <ogra_> :) [12:03] <volvoguy> so what's the easy way now to add ".svg" to the end? [12:04] <volvoguy> remember, i'm a graphic designer. using my right brain makes my head hurt. :) [12:06] <volvoguy> i don't suppose it's as easy as "mv * *.svg"? [12:07] <Treenaks> find -type f -exec mv \{} \{}.svg [12:07] <Treenaks> I _think_ [12:07] <volvoguy> find: missing argument to `-exec' [12:08] <Treenaks> uh yes [12:08] <Treenaks> add \; to the end of that [12:08] <Treenaks> find -type f -exec mv \{} \{}.svg \; [12:08] <volvoguy> beautiful! [12:08] <volvoguy> thanks guys! :) [12:09] <Treenaks> ;) [12:09] <volvoguy> :) thanks. [12:10] <volvoguy> while i'm in here, are any of you developer types close enough to the laptop testing team to give me the go-ahead to wipe this hard drive and start from scratch? [12:16] <dholbach> see you later [12:16] <jsgotangco> bye daniel [12:16] <dholbach> bye jerome :) [12:16] <volvoguy> guess not, but that's ok. i'll just keep an eye on the bug i filed. thanks for the file manipulating help Treenaks. i'm off to sleep. [12:18] <volvoguy> g'night all! :) [12:21] <seb128> mdz: the amd64 liveCD works fine for me now [12:21] <seb128> (the french version is no really frenchy though) [12:22] <ogra_> seb128, the gnome-langpacks arent on the CD yet... [12:22] <seb128> I've noticed [12:24] <seb128> pitti: I've not really debugged but GNOME volumes have issues on the liveCD [12:24] <pitti> ogra_: fixed in the seeds [12:25] <seb128> the CD was named "cdrom" instead of "Ubuntu 5.10 amd64" by example [12:25] <ogra_> oops [12:25] <pitti> seb128: ok, I'll look at this [12:26] <daniels> pitti: ping [12:26] <pitti> Hi daniels [12:26] <seb128> hey daniels [12:26] <daniels> hi all [12:27] <ogra_> mvo, looks like #13496 still occurs.... jsgotangco just tried a test install... i'll try to check if its still this bug, burning.... [12:27] <daniels> pitti: i'm not really convinced on the dbus thing to be honest [12:27] <pitti> daniels: I don't like it either [12:27] <pitti> daniels: but seb128 and some other guys finally convinced me yesterday [12:27] <pitti> daniels: it's ugly, but reality is against us :-( [12:27] <Lathiat> what dbus thing? [12:27] <daniels> Lathiat: not restarting it on upgrades [12:27] <Lathiat> ah right [12:28] <daniels> pitti: but then we get horrible cases like where you can't open new connections to the bus on some upgrades because it's too old [12:28] <Lathiat> sounds like an idea to me [12:28] <ogra_> pitti, daniels, err, how am i supposed to add a service to system.d without restarting ? [12:28] <seb128> I don't like guys, but I've enough to fight with upstream for that and we are all busy enough without having to patch all over the place against upstream [12:28] <seb128> s/like/like that too/ [12:28] <pitti> ogra_: just start the service itself, e. g. /etc/dbus/event.d/20hal start [12:28] <daniels> seb128: g-v-m upstream at least seemed willing to take our patch if it was clean, and gnome-power already got fixed [12:29] <ogra_> pitti, thanks :) [12:29] <pitti> daniels: hm? I recently talked to g-v-m upstream, and they rejected it [12:29] <ogra_> daniels, ?? [12:29] <daniels> pitti: on utopia-list? [12:29] <seb128> daniels: previous g-v-m upstream, fejj is ... no comment [12:29] <daniels> ogra_: hm? [12:29] <pitti> I got a whole bunch of "you are wrong" messages... [12:29] <ogra_> daniels, gnome-power got fixed ? [12:29] <daniels> seb128: fejj maintains it? [12:29] <pitti> daniels: yes [12:29] <seb128> daniels: he's doing the work now yeah [12:29] <daniels> ogra_: desrt said he was writing code to fix it, at any rate [12:29] <seb128> daniels: they moved the evo team on the desktop [12:29] <ogra_> daniels, i package it... [12:29] <daniels> seb128: oh. yeah, I see. [12:30] <daniels> seb128: fair enough then. [12:30] <ogra_> daniels, hughsie (upstream) didnt say such a thin... [12:30] <pitti> daniels: desrt agreed for battery applet, but he is opposed to it, too [12:30] <ogra_> thing [12:30] <daniels> ogra_: sorry, too late at night. -battery-applet, not -power. [12:30] <pitti> daniels: but gvfs and panel still break [12:30] <seb128> daniels: walters complained too on #gnome-hackers some days ago [12:30] <ogra_> ah... i was starting to get worried :) [12:30] <pitti> ogra_: btw, for a true .service you don't need to restart dbus at all, it will just work [12:31] <ogra_> pitti, ok... i took NM as example for my postinst.... [12:31] <seb128> daniels: and apps will keep using dbus for new stuff and we will have to keep patching other stuff, and get upstream angry when then get bugs due to that, etc [12:31] <Lathiat> pitti: that doesnt suit all applications [12:31] <pitti> Lathiat: "that" == ? [12:31] <daniels> pitti: eep [12:31] <daniels> seb128: yeah, I saw the scrollback on -hackers [12:31] <Lathiat> pitti: activating a service when needed [12:32] <daniels> seb128: i suppose it's a fair cop if we've decided we were fighting a losing battle, I was just really hoping we'd ... well, not lose it [12:32] <seb128> daniels: imho we have better to do that fighting for months on that [12:32] <pitti> Lathiat: right, e. g. hal is not a .service, so it has to start/stop itself [12:32] <Lathiat> e.g. avahi, wants to be running all the time because it needs to respond to its name, etc [12:32] <Lathiat> not just when an application wants it [12:32] <seb128> daniels: we are all busy, upstream/redhat/suse guys are against us ... that's not an "easy to win" one [12:32] <daniels> seb128: mmm [12:32] <daniels> seb128: yeah [12:33] <pitti> daniels: I hoped the same [12:33] <pitti> daniels: it reminds me of win2k: "one reboot for each change" :-( [12:33] <daniels> seb128: i just think this whole 'dbus is a core service omg' thing is complete crack, and a stupid cop out that just lets you be lazy and write terrible code [12:33] <Lathiat> its worse nwo i isntalled windows today and some stupid applicatiom nthat was workign wanted me to reboot, i went ot windows update and it told me i had to reboot before i can do updates. [12:34] <seb128> daniels: yeah, but there was already a lot of Debian/upstream talks on the topic, they are obviously not going to change (cf the discussion with walters) [12:34] <daniels> seb128: yeah. sigh. [12:34] <Lathiat> does breezy-install-i386 20050817.1 fix the lilo/root= thing ? [12:36] <pitti> elmo: can you please sync clamav and pstotext? (both security issues in universe) [12:54] <seb128> elmo: please drop evolution-data-server1.2 and pyphany [01:00] <mvo> seb128: is there a new gtk+ release yet that fixes the "g_assert(child->parent == GTK_WIDGET(container))" problem yet? [01:01] <seb128> mvo: 2.8.0 [01:01] <seb128> mvo: but needs to update cairo, needs to change soname, need to rebuild 200 packages ... have to run FAST from mdz [01:01] <ogra_> hmm... without all the whitespace changes the patch would be half the size... [01:02] <mvo> seb128: oh, this issue :) after colony, right? [01:02] <seb128> mvo: yep [01:02] <Lathiat> heh im just reading it atm too [01:02] <seb128> mvo: feel free to upload the new cairo now, but I'll not do it :) [01:02] <Lathiat> whats the patch achieve/ [01:03] <mvo> seb128: I value my good relation with matt too high for that :) [01:03] <seb128> ah ah [01:08] <mvo> seb128: what bug did you see today with the amd64 live cd? [01:08] <mvo> iirc you talked about it this morning with mdz [01:08] <seb128> mvo: the one from this night, or the new one from this morning? [01:09] <seb128> the first chocked on a keyboard issue, blocked on the xorg config [01:09] <mvo> seb128: I tried the new one from this morning and it failed on configuring X [01:09] <seb128> the new one works quite fine, some desktop issue but no big deal [01:09] <seb128> oh? [01:09] <mvo> seb128: I'll try again and see if I got the very latest [01:10] <seb128> what md5? [01:10] <daniels> jdub: dpkg-deb: building package `mgp' in `../mgp_1.11b-5_i386.deb'. [01:10] <seb128> mvo: 55ba21f1533d77bb60eec3138521251c here [01:11] <tepsipakki> oh yeah, hoary-cd [01:11] <tepsipakki> doh [01:12] <tepsipakki> ..'s arrived, all 750 of them [01:12] <Nafallo> 750?! yay :-) [01:12] <tepsipakki> =) [01:13] <tepsipakki> we'll be handing them out to students [01:16] <hmrocha> i'm installing ubuntu on my college pc's right now :) [01:17] <hunger> How is the graphics driver for X selected in ubuntu? [01:18] <mvo> seb128: thanks, I had a older image, getting the new one now [01:18] <mjg59> mdz: I've filed a bug which references it [01:18] <daniels> hunger: handwaving and trickery [01:18] <mjr> hunger, IIRC, with discover [01:18] <seb128> mvo: np [01:19] <hunger> mjr: That is what I thought before I went over to daniels interpretation;-) [01:19] <seb128> daniels: is there any way to force/change the xorg resolution on an hoary liveCD? It does 640x480 where the warty one does 1024x768 on the same box [01:19] <hunger> mjr: I do not have discover installed, so I think that is not it... or maybe I messed up my install again;-) [01:20] <mjr> well... handwaving it is then [01:21] <daniels> seb128: nope. let me guess, integrated intel desktop chipset? [01:21] <daniels> hunger: mostly discover1 [01:21] <hunger> daniels: Hmmm.... I do not have that installed... seems like I messed too much with the system again. [01:23] <seb128> daniels: not happening to me, I've asked to note the video card type, I'll let you know ... is there any workaround known for these ones? [01:24] <daniels> seb128: not really. and my uploads to hoary-updates seem to keep wandering ... sigh. [01:25] <seb128> daniels: k, thanks anyway [01:25] <seb128> I was thinking that maybe there is a boot option to say to use the vesa or something :) [01:26] <daniels> seb128: it would be neat, yeah. maybe xserver-xorg/use_sync_ranges=true? [01:27] <seb128> I note that to try [01:29] <pitti> daniels, seb128: *sigh* it's done [01:31] <seb128> pitti: thanks [01:31] <mvo> daniels: btw, why do you seem to dislike glxinfo? [01:34] <kagou> hi [01:35] <kagou> hi pitti , udev last upgrade is ok ;) [01:35] <pitti> Hi kagou [01:35] <pitti> :-) [01:38] <kagou> pitti, i'v posted comments to request upgrade of udev for bugs that i think they are depending on the yesterday bug [01:38] <pitti> kagou: me too, I saw it :-) [01:38] <kagou> :p [01:39] <pitti> ok, have to go, cu later [01:40] <kagou> cu [01:40] <desrt> pitti; hey? [01:47] <sivang> jdub: Do you have your OSCon presentation somewhere online? [01:48] <desrt> pitti; just a headsup for when you get back... i don't know if this is the expected behaviour or not (because of the transition): http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1323 [01:54] <pitti> desrt: hm, no, it's certainly not [01:55] <pitti> desrt: I'll look at it later [01:55] <pitti> I test the live cd now and then I need to go [02:07] <pitti_live> seb128: I currently test the amd64 live cd, hotplug stuff works dine [02:07] <mvo> hey pitti_live ! [02:07] <pitti_live> seb128: fine, even. What was your problem? [02:08] <pitti_live> mvo: I have a short bug list: video mode question, long hang with no apparent progress, kernel notification, missing gnome langpacks [02:08] <pitti_live> the rest seems to work just fine [02:09] <Lathiat> first 3 i reported on the ml, x86 too [02:09] <Lathiat> this dhcp thing is annoying me [02:09] <Lathiat> who knows about d-i network stuff? [02:09] <pitti_live> Lathiat, dhcp works fine here [02:09] <Lathiat> if i stasrt a dhclient on the terminal why d-i is trying to dhcp [02:09] <Lathiat> it keeps doing nothing just like the installer [02:09] <seb128> pitti_live: the liveCD label on the desktop/computer was "cdrom" [02:09] <pitti_live> Lathiat, langpacks are already fixed [02:09] <Lathiat> as soon as the installer stops dhcping [02:09] <Lathiat> it gets an offer instantly [02:09] <Lathiat> but buggered if i know why [02:09] <seb128> pitti_live: on my install it's "Ubuntu 5.10 amd64" [02:09] <pitti_live> seb128: oh, right, labels are broke [02:09] <Lathiat> i just did an i386 install [02:10] <Lathiat> with 17.1 [02:10] <Lathiat> worked great [02:10] <pitti_live> seb128: will look at it [02:10] <Lathiat> one thing i noticed [02:10] <seb128> pitti_live: "yelp" summary is empty here too [02:10] <Lathiat> boot now takes like 5-10 extra seconds to start [02:10] <pitti_live> seb128: but not now, really gotta grab my bike and go now [02:10] <Lathiat> i think its the initramfs doing something [02:10] <seb128> pitti_live: and my network was not configured, I had to run dhclient [02:10] <Lathiat> seb128: same here [02:10] <seb128> later pitti_live [02:10] <Lathiat> seb128: it actually ran here, but it doesnt get an ip [02:10] <Lathiat> just like the installer [02:10] <Mithrandir> how often is the live initrd rebuilt? [02:10] <Lathiat> always works the second time [02:11] <pitti_live> seb128, sudo /etc/init.d/dbus cures it -- I saw that many times in bug reports [02:11] <pitti_live> bye [02:13] <daniels> fwiw, the video mode question thing is a debconf problem [02:21] <Lathiat> hrm... [02:21] <Lathiat> we have a real firefox icon on the panel [02:21] <Lathiat> isnt that bad? [02:24] <seb128> this has been fixed with gnome-icon-theme 2.9.91 [02:24] <paolo> Why is bad? [02:24] <seb128> copyright issue [02:24] <paolo> Hmpf. [02:25] <Lathiat> yeh [02:25] <Lathiat> traemark thingy [02:25] <Lathiat> ok thanks seb128 [02:25] <Lathiat> also, do you know about the icon size thing? [02:25] <Lathiat> has that been fixed? [02:25] <seb128> not yet [02:26] <seb128> but will be for 5.10 for sure [02:26] <Lathiat> is someone capable working on it? [02:26] <seb128> 90% fixed atm [02:26] <Lathiat> ok [02:30] <Lathiat> hrm, muine and rhythmbox seem to have stopped responding to play/pause/next/prev [02:35] <seb128> Lathiat: I had some such issue with rb, I've launched totem to try ... that worked, and then rb was working too [02:35] <Lathiat> hrm [02:35] <seb128> Lathiat: if you can debug it you are welcome [02:35] <Lathiat> totem doesnt work here either [02:35] <Lathiat> hrm [02:39] <Mithrandir> mdz: how and when are the live initrd (no, not the cloop) rebuilt? I need a rebuilt one with cdebconf 0.84ubuntu2 before I can upload the fixed casper. [02:40] <Lathiat> daniels: yay [02:40] <Lathiat> i can fix vflib3 and associated crap now [02:40] <daniels> it seems to work for basic (well, psychotic -- autoconf generating Imakefiles from Imakefile.ins) builds, when I tested with mgp and a couple of others [02:41] <daniels> let me know if it's broken in more complex cases, but I don't expect it will be [02:41] <\sh> daniels: i had problems installing libgl1-xorg-dri...it wanted to overwrite one file out of xmesalib-dri [02:41] <\sh> daniels: forgot a replaces for this package? [02:41] <Lathiat> daniels: any chance of glxinfo? (or is there another way to see if you have dri - for laptop testing) [02:41] <daniels> +Package: libgl1-xorg-dri [02:41] <daniels> +Conflicts: xlibmesa3 (<< 4.2.1-5), xlibmesa3-gl, xlibmesa-dri [02:41] <daniels> +Replaces: xlibmesa3 (<< 4.2.1-5), xlibmesa3-gl, xlibmesa-dri [02:41] <daniels> +Provides: xlibmesa-dri [02:41] <daniels> \sh: if there's a problem, it's not mine [02:42] <\sh> daniels: it was -49 [02:42] <\sh> strange [02:42] <daniels> Lathiat: * Start building glxinfo from progs/xdemos, and stuff it in libgl1-mesa; [02:42] <daniels> introduce Build-Depends on freeglut3-dev. [02:42] <Lathiat> on nice [02:42] <Lathiat> know what i want before i ask, yay [02:43] <Lathiat> daniels: what package? [02:43] <\sh> Unpacking libgl1-xorg-dri (from .../libgl1-xorg-dri_6.8.2-50_i386.deb) ... [02:43] <\sh> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgl1-xorg-dri_6.8.2-50_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/gamma_dri.so', which is also in package xlibmesa-dri [02:44] <daniels> \sh: ok, busted in -49. transient error, libgl1-mesa-dri will be getting rid of it soon anyway. [02:44] <daniels> Lathiat: that's from my local mesa changelog; not yet uploaded [02:44] <Lathiat> daniels: ok cool [02:44] <Lathiat> cheers [02:44] <hunger> \sh: upgrade worked fine here... [02:45] <daniels> hunger: no, turns out it really is my problem, but it's already fixed locall [02:45] <\sh> hunger: on my other install as well...but this install here...is anything but fault-tolerant ,-) [02:45] <hunger> daniels: Well, I am on -50... maybe that's it. [02:45] <\sh> daniels: ok..only a matter of time...I just thought, my install is b0rked [02:47] <infinity> \sh : Just remove xlibmesa-dri in the same apt run. [02:47] <hunger> daniels: Thanks for not breaking xkb for the last couple of weeks. It is so much easier to appreciate your work when X actually starts up;-) Looks like you got over the rough spots... upgrades have been pretty smooth for me lately. [02:47] <infinity> \sh : "apt-get --purge install libgl1-xorg-dri xlibmesa-dri-" (note the trailing "-") [02:48] <infinity> \sh : That'll fix you for now, and the mesa uploads/transition in the next few days will fix it permanently. [02:48] <daniels> hunger: any time [02:48] <\sh> infinity: that was my next step to remove it..but I wasn't sure, if it was a bug or just a glitch in the matrix ,-) [02:56] <\sh> later dudes [02:59] <Lathiat> seb128: are you aware of any problems with the disk mounter applet? [02:59] <seb128> no [02:59] <Lathiat> ok i'll file bugs then [03:00] <seb128> oh, one "labels suck" [03:00] <Lathiat> nah [03:00] <seb128> about what? [03:00] <Lathiat> like it crashes when i select my hard drive [03:00] <Lathiat> also it hasnt realised my drive is unmounted even after restarting it [03:00] <Lathiat> does it use hal? [03:00] <seb128> yep [03:00] <Lathiat> wonder if dbus restarted [03:00] <seb128> did you upgrade dbus/hal? [03:00] <Lathiat> might reboot first [03:00] <Lathiat> yeh i think it did [03:01] <seb128> that's exactly why pitti changed it to not restart on update this morning [03:01] <Lathiat> heh [03:01] <Lathiat> right [03:01] <Mithrandir> oh, shiny. [03:01] <Mithrandir> _shiny_. amd64 valgrind released a short while ago [03:01] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: nice [03:02] <daniels> woo [03:04] <ogra_ltsp> seb128, i have a lot of xml errors at the end of the install from misformatted gnome-games helpfiles... [03:04] <ogra_ltsp> seb128, is that known ? [03:04] <seb128> no [03:04] <ogra_ltsp> ok [03:05] <ogra_ltsp> Mithrandir, your telcos have a funny sense of humor.... http://zontik.de/uploads/1116202837_cd.jpg [03:05] <Lathiat> haha ogra_ltsp [03:06] <fabbione> eheh [03:06] <fabbione> ogra: what about adding desktop-sparc to edubuntu-meta ? [03:07] <Nafallo> lol [03:07] <ogra_ltsp> fabbione, i had it in, it always broke my updates, i'll add it in the end again [03:07] <Mithrandir> ogra_ltsp: heh, such things happen, I guess [03:07] <fabbione> ogra_ltsp: broke in what way? [03:08] <ogra_ltsp> fabbione, the metapackage update script very often timed out on ports.ubuntu.com and i was to lazy to fix it every time... [03:08] <fabbione> AH [03:08] <fabbione> but ports.u.c sits just close to archive... [03:08] <ogra_ltsp> fabbione, so i'll add it again for the final package... [03:08] <fabbione> it's at the datacenter [03:09] <ogra_ltsp> yes, but either it times out or Packages.gz is corrupted [03:09] <fabbione> hmm ok... [03:09] <ogra_ltsp> same for hppa and ia64 [03:09] <fabbione> i suspect a mirroring issue from jackass [03:09] <fabbione> elmo: ping? [03:10] <ogra_ltsp> that'd be quite expensive... we have no multiarch ltsp yet [03:10] <ogra_ltsp> so all the clients have to be sparc too :) [03:10] <Mithrandir> heh [03:10] <fabbione> ehehhe [03:10] <ogra_ltsp> but could be funny though... for recycling cheap old sparc HW [03:11] <fabbione> bbl [03:13] <chmj> is there anyone hacking thunderbird ? [03:14] <elmo> fabbione: ? [03:15] <seb128> elmo: could you drop evolution-data-server1.2 and pyphany please? :) [03:35] <infinity> chmj : Define "hacking thunderbird"... I've done a few uploads. [03:37] <ogra> hmm, does anybody know which part of the seeds is finally responsible for including stuff on the cd ? i'm trempted to edit STRUCTURE to add my server seed to edubuntu but i'm not sure [03:37] <ogra> s/trempted/tempted [03:38] <fabbione> elmo: can you see any problem on ports mirror.. as ogra described? [03:38] <elmo> fabbione: there's nothing wrong with ports [03:38] <chmj> infinity: its just that its terribly broken (instant crashes), but i see most of the bugs have been assigned to tfheen [03:38] <fabbione> elmo: ok.. [03:39] <fabbione> ogra: fix your connection :P [03:39] <elmo> seb128: why for each? [I may have missed it earlier, if you already said] [03:39] <ogra> fabbione, it works for everything else... and mostly even on the second try... but since the other arches come first i have to wait 10min until i see it failing [03:40] <fabbione> ogra: ok.. i will look at it [03:41] <seb128> elmo: evolution-data-server1.2 (http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9779), that was a evolution-data-server rename sync from Debian [03:41] <infinity> chmj : On which dist?... I run it 24/7 on breezy with no problems. [03:41] <ogra> fabbione, as i said, its no biggie, i'll add it later again... [03:41] <seb128> elmo: pyphany is deprecated by epiphany-browser now which has the same feature [03:43] <elmo> seb128: done [03:43] <seb128> elmo: thanks [03:44] <ogra> elmo, did you recognize the blackdown request yesterday ? [03:45] <Mithrandir> daniels: 9984 is marked pendingupload, have you just forgotten to close it? [03:46] <siretart> daniels: infinity: libforms-dev places its headers to /usr/X11R6/include/X11. shouldn't they go to /usr/include? [03:47] <daniels> siretart: what are they doing in the X11/ namespace in the first place?? [03:48] <siretart> daniels: you are the X11 god, not me :) [03:48] <daniels> Mithrandir: er yeah, thanks [03:48] <daniels> siretart: it should have its own namespace, not leech off <X11/...> [03:49] <infinity> Hysterical raisins, I'd assume. [03:49] <siretart> so it should be modified to install libs and headers to /usr, right? [03:49] <infinity> Heck, the thing was binary-only non-free crap until recently. [03:49] <daniels> siretart: yeah [03:49] <daniels> infinity: there are toolkits other than gtk and qt? [03:51] <daniels> no wait, sorry [03:51] <daniels> motif rules the world [03:51] <daniels> all hail motif [03:52] <j^> daniels now i understand why ubuntu ships with a motif theme for qt by default [03:53] <ogra> j^, yes, our KDE team is to slow... they are still working on implementing KDE in real motif [03:53] <j^> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2724 [03:54] <j^> ogra i dont care about kde, i care about qt apps used from the default ubuntu desktop: gnome [03:59] <Lathiat> daniels: hrm, im not getting a ZAxisMapping, known ? [03:59] <daniels> lathi yes [03:59] <Lathiat> okie [04:00] <pitti> Hi [04:01] <ogra> pitti, ho [04:01] <siretart> daniels: where has xmkmf gone? [04:01] <daniels> siretart: into a package called 'xmkmf', cunningly [04:02] <Nafallo> where is those binarys anyway? :-) [04:02] <Lathiat> building or NEW i suspect [04:02] <siretart> daniels: which you uploaded just 2h ago, I see [04:02] <Nafallo> NEW then [04:03] <\sh> and my ntfs partition can't be resized [04:03] <siretart> ok. I modified libforms1, but it needs xmkmf. will need to wait for the binaries, then [04:03] <daniels> it already got source-NEWed, but it's only recently finished building [04:03] <daniels> give it a while [04:03] <\sh> error: /lib/partman/automatically_partition/80custom/choices [04:03] <\sh> " 10resize_use_free/do_option [04:04] <\sh> " 10resize_use_free/do_option: IN: VIRTUAL 32256-60011642879 [04:04] <\sh> parted_server: Read Command: VIRTUAL [04:04] <\sh> the device 32256-60011642879 is not opened [04:05] <\sh> parted_server: line 1081: CRITICAL ERROR!!! [04:05] <\sh> now I can copy and paste this text into bugzilla [04:05] <pitti> infinity: just sent you a mail wrt. a bug in the php patch [04:06] <ziaee> +2 [04:08] <infinity> pitti : I'm backporting from 1.4.0 anyway, since sesser's patch didn't apply cleanly, so it's not really a problem. [04:10] <daniels> ajmitch: i'm bound to forget by the time you wake up, so basically, looking at symlink-mesa.sh, it looks like it should be a builddir thing rather than srcdir, especially as it's called from configure. so I changed it to run in builddir and changed all the INCLUDEs in GL/**/Makefile.am. mind if I commit? [04:10] <daniels> argh, wrong channel [04:10] <daniels> ajmitch: nm [04:19] <pitti> infinity: ok, just checking [04:25] <infinity> Oh, feh. More PHP bugginess. [04:26] <siretart> jbailey: around? [04:26] <jbailey> siretart: Yup [04:27] <siretart> jbailey: just wanted to poke you another time about subversion's javahl ;) [04:27] <Lathiat> hrm, would it be such a stupid idea to include kernel headers by default? [04:27] <Lathiat> for example, im at uni and i need the cisco vpn client to connect, and i cant install the headers unless i get on the vpn, which i need the headers for. (had that happent to me last week) [04:28] <jbailey> siretart: Thanks. =) [04:28] <ogra> Lathiat, they are on the CD [04:28] <siretart> jbailey: I yesterday I had to fight with suse, which ships with prebuilt javahl (most probably built with sun jdk): result: segfaults :/ [04:28] <Lathiat> didnt have the cd at uni [04:29] <Lathiat> just wondering if theres an overly compelling reason not to [04:29] <Lathiat> i guess theres no compiler either [04:29] <ogra> on the CD [04:29] <siretart> jbailey: to be serious: whats left to do so we can have javahl in ubuntu's svn? [04:29] <ogra> its all there ;) [04:29] <Lathiat> like i said [04:29] <jbailey> siretart: I expect it's a matter of just twiddling the build-deps and enabling it at this point. [04:29] <Lathiat> its more the off-guard situations like this, where you might not have a cd :) [04:30] <siretart> jbailey: I send you a debdiff, that packaged worked in pbuilder for me that time [04:30] <siretart> didn't check if there was another subversion update since then, though [04:31] <jbailey> siretart: It shouldn't be too drastic of a change either wya. [04:31] <ogra> Lathiat, easy to solve... never leave your home without ubuntu CD.... if you dont need it you can still give it away ;) [04:31] <Lathiat> heh [04:31] <infinity> Lathiat : Desktop systems shouldn't have a compiler or any -dev packages installed by default. Carrythe CD around if you think you may need to compile stuff. :) [04:31] <Lathiat> infinity: well my point is, i didn't expect to, but i needed to compile the cisco vpn driver. [04:31] <Lathiat> anyway [04:31] <Lathiat> i wish vpnc worked at my uni [04:31] <Lathiat> the cisco vpn driver is a pos [04:32] <Lathiat> tseng: heh, the 'enable beagle on start', actually writes out ~/.runbeagle, which is suse specific [04:34] <infinity> Lathiat : Curious, both the cisco closed source client and vpnc work at my girlfriend's university. [04:34] <infinity> Lathiat : Perhaps you could talk to the IT people to have them tweak settigns on the VPN to get vpnc to work with it... [04:34] <mvo> seb128: IIRC your SoC student worked on a way to figure if a given user is a sudoer. how is that progressing? [04:35] <Lathiat> infinity: any idea what needs tweaking? [04:35] <ogra> oh, yes, its a feature edubuntu needs too... [04:35] <Lathiat> infinity: vpnc seems to send the same initial packet [04:35] <ogra> seb128, ^^ [04:35] <Lathiat> infinity: but nothing comes back [04:35] <Lathiat> it confuses me [04:35] <Lathiat> must be something slightly different [04:35] <Lathiat> or i was half dead when looking at tcpdump [04:35] <seb128> mvo: need to ask him again, he's working on other stuff atm [04:36] <seb128> mvo: he mailed the sudo list and is kind of waiting for a reply [04:36] <mdke> is there something wrong with the fonts in breezy at the moment? I just installed it and a lot of the fonts seem out of proportion with each other, or am I imagining it? [04:36] <ogra> seb128, that was about disabling admin tools in the menu too, right ? [04:37] <seb128> yeah, the menu hidding already works [04:37] <ogra> yay [04:37] <mvo> seb128: k [04:37] <seb128> you just have to put X-Ubuntu-RootRequired=yes on the .desktop [04:37] <seb128> and it's masked for non-group-admin users [04:38] <mvo> seb128: does it only hide it? or does it run the command with gksudo as well? [04:40] <ogra> seb128, has daniles given any ETA for xnest ? i'd love to have sabayon available for my edubuntu testers [04:40] <seb128> mvo: the "easy" way would be to use "listpw=never" by default, which allow to do a "sudo -l" without a password [04:40] <seb128> ogra: xnest is fixed, I've sabayon ready to upload but I'm waiting on colony3 for changes [04:40] <seb128> I can push sabayon if needed [04:41] <ogra> seb128, that'd be great, since i want to manke ubuntu colony3 to be edubuntu colony1 :) [04:41] <ogra> make even [04:41] <seb128> current builds seems to work, I'm not sure there will an another set of CD, but let's upload [04:42] <ogra> yeah... [04:42] <ogra> if mdz complains, just point him to me... i take responsibility for that... [04:42] <mvo> seb128: hm, we would have to modify the sudoers file for that? btw, does this desktop key only hide menu-entry? or does it run the command with gksudo as well? [04:44] <seb128> mvo: yeah, the default option are here, no? It just hide, the gksudo bit require gnome-panel changes too and the feature freeze came quickly [04:45] <mvo> seb128: ok, that's fine. I was just curious about the behaviour of the key [04:48] <opi> Hey [04:51] <mjg59> Keybuk: You pang last night? [04:51] <Keybuk> I did, I filed a bug too [04:52] <mjg59> Against? [04:52] <Keybuk> unknown/hotkey-setup [04:52] <Keybuk> basically I have a list of hotkeys from my HP, and wanted to check with you before adding them to hotkey-setup [04:53] <mjg59> Ah, ok [04:53] <mjg59> Keybuk: Looks good [04:53] <Keybuk> shall I just go ahead and do it? [04:54] <mjg59> Yeah [04:54] <doko> pitti: what does a main inclusion report for dictionaries have to consist of? [04:54] <mjg59> Keybuk: Can you fix the init script so it actually runs hp.hk as well? [04:55] <ogra> doko, there is a howto [04:55] <tseng> Lathiat: buh. [04:55] <ogra> doko, or just copy ne from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMainInclusion [04:56] <Keybuk> mjg59: needs a s!/etc!/usr/share! no? [04:56] <mjg59> Keybuk: Hm. Isn't it just synced from Debian? [04:57] <mjg59> In which case it ought to have /usr/share already [04:57] <mjg59> But actually has /use/share [04:57] <Keybuk> won't have been since UVF [04:57] <mjg59> I asked elmo to pull it [04:58] <Keybuk> there's 0.1-2 in both Debian and Ubuntu [04:58] <mjg59> Keybuk: That's what I thought. Where's the etc in the init script? [04:58] <Keybuk> 0.1-2 has /etc [04:58] <mjg59> Uhm. Wurgh? [04:58] <Keybuk> are you sure there's not a 0.1-3 on your disk that never got uploaded ? :) [04:59] <mjg59> Yes [04:59] <mjg59> The source I've just grabbed from archive.ubuntu.com has usr/share [05:00] <Keybuk> ah, what's ./hotkey-setup [05:00] <mjg59> Good question. No idea. [05:00] <mjg59> (Other thank "broken") [05:01] <mjg59> The init script is in debian/ [05:08] <mjg59> Keybuk: Dude, you've got the distribution wrong [05:09] <Keybuk> yeah, noticed that <g> [05:09] <Keybuk> shouldn't try an upload before coffee [05:14] <siretart> infinity: as xmkmf is availabe now, I tried to build libforms1, but I get this in pbuilder: http://paste.debian.net/1582 [05:14] <siretart> infinity: any idea what this could be? [05:26] <\sh> siretart: apt-file search date.def ? [05:27] <\sh> xutils: usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config/date.def [05:28] <\sh> siretart: can be a wrong position for this file...check xorg.cf [05:29] <siretart> \sh: in any case, this seems to my deeper xorg magic.. [05:30] <\sh> siretart: it looks like that some symlinks are missing, or the xorg transition is stucked there ,-) [06:21] <aroman> hi [06:22] <aroman> I have a Toshiba M40-JM8 laptop which does not work that great with ubuntu hoary. Breezy is near. How can I help to get this laptop to work out-of-the-box in breezy? [06:22] <Lathiat> aroman: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam [06:23] <aroman> Lathiat, thanks :) [06:25] <aroman> I know this is a kernel problem that prevents me from getting this to work properly. Firewire... When any firewire-related module loads, poof :( Nobody Cared about IRQ 11, Disabling IRQ 11 Message. What's on IRQ 11? Well, networking... :( [06:30] <Keybuk> christ, d-i partman is even scarier than I remember [06:32] <\sh> Keybuk: kamion is working on the partman stuff in the installer? [06:35] <bddebian> Howdy [06:45] <sivang> bddebian: hi barry, 'sup? [06:46] <djpig> does anybody know why the Contents-* files for breezy aren't updated anymore? (apparently they haven't been updated since May, a packages.ubuntu.com user now noticed it and asked me about it) [06:47] <ogra> hmm, they arent ? apt-file works fine here, doesnt that use them too ? [06:47] <siretart> ogra: yes, but the info is from may! [06:48] <\sh> mvo: have fun :) [06:49] <ogra> \sh, he plays "einradhockey" [06:49] <ogra> \sh, (not joking) [06:50] <\sh> ogra: as i said: have fun :) if I could ride "one wheel bicycle" I would do it as well :) [06:50] <ogra> heh [07:06] <ogra> hmm, does somebody know if pitti planned to come back today ? [07:37] <Keybuk> hmm, that's weird [07:37] <Keybuk> no usplash in fresh breezy install [07:37] <mjg59> No [07:37] <mjg59> It didn't get added to ship seed yet [07:37] <Keybuk> isn't it a dep of ubuntu-desktop? [07:38] <mjg59> Not as far as I know [07:38] <Keybuk> must be [07:38] <Keybuk> it's installed [07:38] <Keybuk> it's just not starting [07:38] <theantix> yes it is, I got it on an hoary->breezy upgrade [07:39] <mjg59> Oh [07:39] <mjg59> In that case it's because it's installed after the initramfs is made [07:39] <Keybuk> that's what it looks like, yup [07:39] <jbailey> Is there any way to tell apt that it should do if first iff it's available? [07:42] <mjg59> jbailey: Not that I know of [07:42] <jbailey> So many features that I don't care enough to implement. =) [07:43] <sladen> jbailey: can you pre-depend? [07:43] <mjg59> sladen: usplash shouldn't be a dependency [07:43] <jbailey> sladen: No, usplash should be optional [07:43] <jbailey> It's just that dpkg needs an ordering hint. [07:44] <sladen> or a callback system so that the initramfs rebuild can be called after new files are placed under it [07:45] <jbailey> sladen: Right. The biggest risk is that a 1) a bad initramfs call could make the system unbootable. 2) There's no promise that they're using the default names for the initramfs, so I can't promise to regenerate it succesfully. [07:45] <jbailey> Installing mkinitramfs doesn't actually generate an initramfs, right now it's the kernel package that does that. [07:52] <\sh> and because of the actual kernel with usplash stuff in it. coming back hibernating from hibernating is not working...i have to test it on my nc6000 as well.. [07:53] <\sh> oh damn...I should not write and think and play with other things at the same time [07:54] <ogra> \sh, that should work.. [07:54] <\sh> ogra: should but not on the toshiba one...with hoary == no problem... [07:54] <ogra> hmm [07:54] <\sh> w8...i will test it now [07:55] <\sh> actually...vflib3 needs more kicks from me..so let me play hibernating ,-) [07:55] <\sh> brb [07:57] <sladen> \sh_away: if it worked under hoary, but not under breezy that's a bug and a regression [07:57] <sladen> \sh_away: there's been some re-writing of interrupting handling I think which might have broken stuff [07:57] <ogra> sladen, is it already supposed to work fine ? it doesnt here too on my amd64 lappie [07:58] <adamh> I've installed libc6-dbg, but when I run my program (compiled with -g) in gdb, my stack traces show stuff like "#12 0xb7be24a0 in result.0 () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6" and I can't "list" the source code. Shouldn't it be "/usr/lib/debug/..."? [07:58] <ogra> sladen, exactly mine stops with a APIC error... so i was suspecting the interrupt handling [08:04] <\sh> re [08:04] <ogra> ol [08:04] <\sh> ok...it's going into hibernating mode...but it comes up and freezes the screen with garbage, when it goes into X [08:05] <ogra> hmm [08:05] <\sh> (on nc6000) [08:06] <\sh> on portge I don't see it even going into hibernate mode [08:06] <\sh> and when it comes back, it stops with some errors in the usplash thing..I can give u more informations when I'm back on breezy with this portege [08:07] <\sh> hoary just works [08:12] <mjg59> \sh: There's a stack of stuff for suspend/resume fixes that just went into the kernel [08:12] <mjg59> Should appear in the archive tomorrow (when it's built) [08:12] <\sh> mjg59: good to know :) [08:14] <mjg59> But yeah, there are known regressions at the moment [08:14] <mjg59> Plus the PM scripts don't work properly yet [08:40] <hunger> Could someone please sync monotone with debian? Thanks! [08:40] <hunger> s/sync/update to the debian version/ [08:50] <lamont> hunger: there needs to be an actual bug that is fixed by the upgrade, etc, etc. [08:50] <lamont> "because it's newer" doesn't count [08:59] <\sh> sabdfl: ping [09:07] <dieman> mmm [09:07] <dieman> moved my ubuntu mirror to a slightly better machine [09:14] <Keybuk> ouch [09:14] <Keybuk> lethal bug: [09:14] <Keybuk> go into gnome-terminal, edit current profile, colours, and pick a colour [09:14] <Keybuk> then hover the mouse over the "Colour Name" box until the tooltip appears [09:16] <seb128> stop searching bugs to flood my bugzilla :) [09:16] <ogra> xhmm [09:16] <ogra> stuck... [09:16] <mdz> ogra: have you tested the latest install CD? it should fix your issue but I would appreciate confirmation [09:16] <seb128> mdz: the amd64 liveCD is fixed [09:16] <ogra> mdz, yes, it did... [09:17] <mdz> excellent, thanks for testing [09:17] <mdz> you tested i386? [09:17] <ogra> mdz, also the next edubuntu is good to go i think :) [09:17] <ogra> yep [09:17] <mdz> I will re-test powerpc and amd64 installs, and all 3 live CDs [09:17] <ogra> amd64 only live, i dont want to wipe my work machine [09:17] <mdz> and if all goes well, colony 3 [09:18] <seb128> mdz: no running new CDs? [09:18] <ogra> mdz, i want edubuntu-server on the CD do i have to add it to ship in STRUCTURE or only to the ship seed ? [09:18] <seb128> mdz: the current ones have no gnome-language-packs [09:19] <seb128> mdz: ie: the desktop is not translated when you pick something else than english ... pitti fixed that today [09:19] <seb128> not sure if you consider that as a stopper for a colony [09:19] <ogra> seb128, it is if you have network enabled... i have a german desktop on my test install [09:20] <Keybuk> seb128: I'm not deliberately finding them :) I'm just doing a test reinstall and reconfigure of my laptop [09:20] <ogra> seb128, this bug is real.. i just had to kill my terminal [09:20] <seb128> I don't doubt of it [09:21] <mdz> seb128: if I roll new CDs, will you re-test? [09:21] <seb128> mdz: yep [09:21] <mdz> every time we do a new build, we risk regressions. the current one is pretty good [09:21] <seb128> if you don't make 5 hours to make the CDs [09:21] <seb128> s/make/take/ [09:21] <marcin> hi all [09:21] <marcin> I got a question - there is Calendaring Synchronization goal for breezy [09:22] <ogra> seb128, if yu kept your iso its a short resync :) [09:22] <seb128> mdz: I had to run "sudo dhclient" to get an IP too, is that a known issue? [09:22] <marcin> and there are plans to integrate support for ical and webcal for evo... [09:22] <seb128> the stock boot didn't set up my eth [09:22] <ogra> oops... [09:22] <ogra> seb128, dhcp ? [09:22] <seb128> didn't get an IP I mean [09:22] <marcin> question is - are there any plans to provide syncml server for ubuntu? [09:22] <seb128> ogra: no, I run dhclient on static config :p [09:22] <ogra> seb128, worked for me on the install... [09:23] <ogra> sorry, i'm blind :) [09:23] <mgalvin> seb128: that happened to me the other day but it works correctly on the latest cd for me [09:24] <Keybuk> seb128: the installer didn't set up ath0 for me, but did set up eth0 [09:24] <seb128> Keybuk: that was a liveCD, and I use eth1 [09:25] <mdz> seb128: no, that is not a known issue [09:25] <mdz> seb128: does it work with the hoary live CD? [09:25] <mdz> seb128,pitti: are the gnome laangpacks also missing from the live CD? [09:26] <seb128> they are missing from the liveCD [09:27] <mdz> ... [09:27] <seb128> not sure for hoary, but I've both liveCD here and I can try now if you want [09:27] <mdz> how does the gnome langpack installation work? [09:27] <mdz> is it something which can be fixed by an upgrade? [09:27] <mdz> if so, it is not a showstopper [09:27] <seb128> pitti fixed that while you were sleeping afaik [09:28] <seb128> kind of, that's a package to install ... but then you need to restart the apps [09:28] <mdz> I understand, but it makes a difference how it was fixed [09:28] <seb128> ie: panel, nautilus, applets needs to be killed [09:28] <ogra> mdz, the install pulls them from the net in the last step... so you should be able to install them on the liveCD too [09:28] <mdz> why did no one mention this yesterday? [09:28] <ogra> i did [09:28] <mdz> ogra: there is probably not space on the live CD [09:28] <seb128> because yesterday one stopped on xorg config here [09:28] <ogra> several times [09:28] <seb128> ie: before getting the desktop [09:28] <mdz> ogra: you said they were downloaded from the net [09:28] <mdz> not that the desktop was not localized [09:28] <ogra> mvo did too [09:28] <mdz> downloading is fine [09:29] <mdz> missing is not fine [09:29] <ogra> mdz, yes, that was the case, but i didnt do an install without net access [09:29] <mdz> are they installed from the net, or are they not installed at all? [09:29] <mdz> if it only affects non-networked installs, it does not necessarily block colony 3 [09:29] <ogra> on install they are pulled from the net [09:31] <mdz> ok, I'm happy to add that as a caveat to the announcement [09:31] <seb128> fine with me [09:31] <ogra> yup [09:31] <seb128> mdz: [09:31] <seb128> ao 17 10:49:09 <pitti> mdz: ok, I throw some other langpacks off the powerpc CD, it does not make sense to have the base, [09:31] <seb128> but not the gnome translation [09:32] <seb128> that was from some minute before you went to bed [09:32] <mjg59> mdz: How do you feel about patches to grub? [09:32] <mvo> mdz: daily did not install for me with two network interfaces. but that's probably a rare case. the interfaces where swapped after the boot and that caused apttitude update to fail [09:32] <ogra> mvo, we talk about the gnome langpacks [09:33] <mvo> this lead to unauthenticated langpack-gnome-en packages and the installer hangs [09:33] <mvo> ogra: it's related, because after the failed aptitude update nothing from the net was considered authenticated anymore [09:33] <mvo> and because the langpack was feteched from the net the base-config package install hanged [09:33] <ogra> yep... sorry i was to fast [09:33] <mdz> mjg59: bugfix patches to grub would be grand [09:33] <ogra> heh [09:34] <mdz> +1 amd64 live [09:34] <mjg59> mdz: I sent it upstream, but haven't heard anything back [09:34] <mdz> mjg59: I am especially fond of patches which fix "error 22" and "error 18" [09:34] <mjg59> Ah. This one doesn't do that. [09:35] <mjg59> This one fixes "Hard drive error" [09:35] <mdz> oh, that's also a good one [09:35] <mjg59> 13511 [09:40] <ogra> elmo, could you sync openafs ? seems to fix a ftbfs [09:41] <ogra> seb128, meh, sabayon ftbfs [09:41] <ogra> configure: error: Can't locate python headers [09:42] <seb128> I'll fix it [09:43] <ogra> mdz, so how do i get edubuntu-server on the CD now ? adding it o the ship list in STRUCTURE? [09:44] <mdz> ogra: I don't know [09:44] <ogra> oh [09:44] <ogra> hmm... ok then i'll go juggling :) [09:45] <ogra> s/juggling/gambling [09:45] <ogra> :) [09:46] <\sh> hmmm...i need to set up dsl on this portege [09:46] <\sh> to create a new bug entry [09:47] <\sh> cause writing a kernel oops by hand is a paine [09:47] <\sh> rb [09:47] <\sh> brb [09:50] <concept10> Could anyone give me a good link about upgrading to breezy and general info? [09:52] <rob^> no [09:52] <rob^> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBadger [09:53] <\sh> hmmm.. [09:53] <mdz> +1 powerpc live [09:54] <mgalvin> concept10: this is not the channel for those discussions, please try asking on #ubuntu or on the mailing list [09:54] <\sh> -- not configured madwifi device + iwlist ath0 scanning == segfault + kernel oops [09:55] <theantix> \sh, yup [09:56] <carstenh> concept10: if i were you i would wait till the release (unless you want to hunt bugs) [09:56] <concept10> mgalvin, I asked because most people in the normal channel do not know about specifics, I wanted to know what is the up-to-date status of the transition of the C library. [09:56] <\sh> what transition of the c lib? [09:57] <\sh> u mean gcc4? [09:57] <concept10> Yes. [09:58] <concept10> \sh, I need a package that is only in breezy. It probably wont break my system. The package I need is cpufrequtils - I need to change the min/max values of my processor speed. [09:58] <mgalvin> concept10: that is mostly done i think [09:59] <ogra> concept10, why dont you just adjust the powernowd settings ? [09:59] <\sh> the c libs weren't that problem...only the g++ libs were transitioned with diff. package names... [09:59] <ogra> concept10, rather then switching to a unstable system [09:59] <mgalvin> concept10: upgrading to breezy is easy if you want to just do it [10:00] <concept10> ogra, let me try with powernowd I just printed the manpage [10:00] <mgalvin> breezy has been really starting to stablize recently [10:00] <mdz> +1 i386 live [10:00] <carstenh> concept10: maybe rebuilding cpufrequtils in breezy is worth a try [10:00] <rob^> is gparted part of the CD installation yet? [10:01] <mgalvin> concept10: vi /etc/apt/sources.list ... %s/hoary/breezy/g [10:01] <ogra> concept10, look in /etc/init.d/powernowd there you can adjust the options at the top [10:01] <concept10> Okay, thanks guys, let me see what I come up with. [10:02] <carstenh> s/breezy/hoary/ [10:02] <mgalvin> er yea, oops [10:11] <KHI> hi, is this where i can help on the laptop team, or at least talk with some of the members? [10:12] <\sh> KHI: #ubuntu-laptop [10:12] <rob^> KHI, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBadger [10:12] <concept10> mgalvin, for the life of me, I cannot find where to adjust the min/max processor values. :( [10:13] <rob^> KHI, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam [10:13] <rob^> sorry.. [10:13] <KHI> ok [10:13] <KHI> going [10:13] <KHI> it's alright, lol [10:13] <KHI> I just wanted to see if there was a spot for panasonic mobiles, or if there's been much of a request for them. [10:13] <KHI> i'll look it over now though. [10:13] <\sh> KHI: join #ubuntu-laptop pls [10:14] <KHI> thank you [10:14] <ogra> concept10, powernowd only adjusts the throttling etc.. but you can work with the values there [10:16] <concept10> ogra, for some reason 100% is only 1.59Ghz, I have a 2.66Ghz processor, it only scales as low as 199Mhz, im just looking to change the min/max values, I know it can be done, I just dont know where. [10:17] <concept10> powernowd only lets you adjust the percentage not the actual values [10:18] <ogra> ah, thats rather a kernel thing then... what kind of proc is that ? may amd64 is caller 3200+ but doesnt go above 2200Mhz... amd always measured the relation to intel [10:18] <ogra> s/may/my [10:18] <ogra> called... [10:19] <Simira> \sh : colony 2 worked fine! [10:20] <mdz> +1 powerpc install [10:21] <\sh> Simira: with what? [10:21] <concept10> ogra, the processor is a mobile p4 2.66 with speedstep, I know it will go to 2.66 because it does in windows, I guess cpufrequtils is the only way to change the values. The AMD64 3200+ is only a comparision rating, not the actual speed [10:22] <ogra> concept10, yup, thats what i maent... [10:22] <concept10> I guess im going to have to build cpufrequtils on hoary [10:22] <ogra> pull the breezy sourcepackage and try if it builds.. [10:22] <concept10> Okay, thanks for the help anyway. [10:23] <ogra> concept10, you could ylso ask Mez, he's responsible for backports [10:23] <ogra> s/ylso/also [10:26] <mdz> mjg59: grub patch is fine for breezy post-colony3 [10:26] <mjg59> mdz: Cool [10:26] <mdz> mjg59: which, with any luck, will be in about 15 minutes [10:26] <mdz> assuming the release scripts work [10:30] <ogra> i'd appreciate if this could be delayed until the next edubuntu build has run [10:31] <mdz> +1 i386 install [10:31] <ogra> whats missing now ? amd64 install ? [10:31] <mdz> nope [10:31] <mdz> that's 6/6 [10:31] <ogra> yay [10:31] <mvo> cool [10:31] <ogra> we got a badger colony :) [10:32] <ogra> badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger [10:32] <Nafallo> COLONY! :-) [10:33] <ogra> schhhhnake [10:33] <\sh> what? [10:33] <Mez> ogra: sorry what ? [10:34] <\sh> now tell me guys, I just downloaded this morning latest iso..and this is obsolete now? [10:34] <ogra> GUYS [10:34] <mdz> elmo: around? [10:34] <ogra> you dont know the breezy dance ? [10:35] <ogra> http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ [10:35] <tseng> badger badger badger! [10:35] <ogra> YEAH [10:37] <mdz> the torrent tracker seems to be down [10:38] <mdz> that's the only thing blocking colony 3 [10:38] <Simira> \sh : with my faulty laptop [10:38] <ogra> do we really need torrent for a colony ? [10:38] <\sh> Simira: oh ehehe...which one? [10:38] <mdz> it would be preferable, both for us and for the users [10:39] <mdz> it's not a strict blocker, but I'd like to wait a bit and see if elmo can look at it [10:39] <\sh> ogra: i can put a mirror up on my server..but then my friends will kill me ;) [10:39] <ogra> sure but i bet we can go without it for now and have a tracker up tomorrow [10:39] <mdz> it's already published, I'm just holding the announcement [10:40] <Simira> \sh: colony 2 on hp nc8230 [10:40] <\sh> Simira: then test latest build ;) [10:46] <ogra> yay yay yay+ [10:47] <\sh> mdz: ROCK'N'Roll [10:47] <Treenaks> gah [10:47] <Treenaks> just tested /current from today :) [10:49] <\sh> Treenaks: welcome to the real world :) [10:50] <Treenaks> \sh: Is it too late to take the blue pill then? [10:50] <\sh> Treenaks: hmmm..yes [10:50] <Treenaks> \sh: hmm.. [10:51] <Simira> \sh: second thing tomorrow morning (after breakfast) [10:54] <siretart> badger badger! [10:54] <xerox> badger badger badger [10:56] <Treenaks> MUSHROOM [10:56] <mdz> Treenaks: /current is identical to colony 3 [10:56] <Treenaks> mdz: cooless [10:56] <Treenaks> +n [10:59] <madduck> are there any more details known about the ubuntu conference yet? [10:59] <madduck> (the one in the fall that is?) [11:00] <Mithrandir> mdz: when and how is the live initrd rebuilt? [11:21] <mjg59> Oh damnit. [11:22] <mjg59> I don't understand this at all. [11:22] <Nafallo> mako: ping [11:24] <mako> Nafallo: yes [11:24] <Nafallo> mako: the image on the cd-covers. can I find those somewhere for our SFD banners? :-) [11:24] <Nafallo> s/those/this/ [11:25] <mako> Nafallo: i don't actually have them and had some difficulty getting them in the warty time frame.. jdub would probably the person to ask [11:25] <Nafallo> mako: oki, thanx :-) [11:25] <Nafallo> jdub: ping :-) [11:30] <wasabi_> Does it seem to anybody that it would be a good idea to record the apt- key used to install each package? [11:30] <wasabi_> And only allow updates within the same key. [11:33] <mdz> Mithrandir: the live initrd is identical to the install initrd [11:34] <Mithrandir> mdz: well, when and how is that rebuilt, then? [11:34] <Mithrandir> mdz: I need an updated cdebconf into the initrd before I upload the fixed casper [11:35] <jbailey> lamont: You mean at build time on the local machine? [11:35] <mdz> Mithrandir: it's built by cron jobs on the buildds and uploaded as a byhand bundle [11:36] <mdz> I also have a trigger I can use to force a new build [11:36] <lamont> jbailey: yes [11:36] <mdz> (daily cron jobs) [11:36] <lamont> jbailey: failing that, at runtime on the target machine [11:36] <Mithrandir> mdz: ok, so really-daily or 30-minute-daily? [11:37] <jbailey> lamont: Depend on lsb and use lsb_release -i ? [11:37] <lamont> Mithrandir: debian-installer daily build is truly daily, as are livecd rootfs builds [11:38] <mdz> Mithrandir: really-daily [11:38] <jbailey> lamont: Hmm, lsb_release is in it's only lsb-release package. [11:38] <lamont> although, d-i build happens on a diff machine, and later than the livecd builds [11:38] <jbailey> lamont: Probably exactly for that. [11:38] <Mithrandir> ok, when-daily? [11:39] <Mithrandir> mdz: I've tested my changes on one machine here and they work, would you be fine with me uploading them or should I hold it off? [11:39] <lamont> #15 4 * * * /home/buildd/bin/BuildLiveCD kubuntu [11:39] <lamont> #15 6 * * * /home/buildd/bin/BuildLiveCD ubuntu [11:39] <lamont> #0 7 * * * /home/buildd/bin/BuildLiveCD base [11:39] <lamont> #15 6 * * * /home/buildd/bin/BuildDI [11:39] <mdz> Mithrandir: are they in a baz branch? [11:39] <Mithrandir> mdz: not yet, but that's easily fixed. [11:39] <mdz> Mithrandir: if not, please put them in one so that I can easily merge them; then it doesn't matter who uploads it [11:39] <carstenh> wasabi_: this would make upgrades impossible if a key has expired or compromised after i installed a package. i don't think this would be that good. [11:39] <mdz> Mithrandir: casper is in matt.zimmerman@canonical.com/casper--main--0 [11:40] <wasabi_> hmmm. [11:40] <jdub> http://pida.berlios.de/index.php/PIDA:Screenshot [11:40] <lamont> jbailey: making lsb-release essential would be bad though, yes? [11:40] <jdub> PIDA looks rad [11:40] <jdub> embedded vim! [11:40] <jdub> hey lamont! [11:40] <lamont> jdub!! [11:40] <lamont> sup man? [11:40] <ajmitch> morning jdub [11:40] <wasabi_> carstenh, or by keys signed by the original key? [11:40] <jdub> lamont: dude, i did a talk last night [11:40] <lamont> kewl! [11:40] <jdub> lamont: i mentioned you and hppa in the same sentence, and everyone in the room was laughing. it was a bit surreal. [11:41] <lamont> hrmpf [11:41] <jdub> ;-) [11:41] <lamont> what was the topic? ubuntu in general? [11:41] <carstenh> wasabi_: does this make it more secure if a key has been compromised? [11:41] <lamont> and what audience? [11:41] <Nafallo> I can see: JDUB :-) [11:41] <jdub> i did a quick rehash of my OSCON talk at the SLUG Debian SIG [11:41] <wasabi_> carstenh, no, it makes it more secure to deal with multiple repositories. [11:41] <wasabi_> carstenh, of different trust levels. [11:41] <lamont> jdub: heh [11:41] <jbailey> lamont: Not really. The package contains a shell script, some conffile in /etc, a man page and the usual /usr/share/doc noise. [11:41] <Nafallo> jdub: the image on the cd-covers. can I find this somewhere for our SFD banners? :-) [11:41] <lamont> jbailey: on debian? [11:41] <jdub> so "running with scissors: life on the bleeding edge", covering GNOME and Ubuntu [11:41] <carstenh> wasabi_: JFYI: i'm the wrong guy to talk about this. this are just my meaningless opinions :) [11:42] <wasabi_> carstenh, for instance. If I want to install a certain piece of software from a third party repository... I don't want to give them the ability to override Ubuntu packages. [11:42] <wasabi_> Yeah. [11:42] <jbailey> lamont: It appears to exist on both Debian and Ubuntu. [11:42] <lamont> jbailey: this is util-linux's init.d scripts, you see... [11:42] <jdub> Nafallo: the circle of friends? [11:42] <Nafallo> jdub: yepp :-) [11:42] <jdub> Nafallo: wait, don't you guys have SFD CD artwork? [11:42] <mr_mojo> hi [11:42] <carstenh> wasabi_: imho then you should use pinning for that [11:42] <mr_mojo> is there any effort to implement incremental file transfers for apt-get? [11:42] <Nafallo> jdub: we where to late and had to use shipit :-/ [11:43] <wasabi_> carstenh, perhaps. That might work fine. [11:43] <jdub> Nafallo: d'oh [11:43] <jbailey> lamont: Sure. lsb-release is even in /bin [11:43] <jdub> Nafallo: um, so, jane.silber@canonical.com [11:43] <Nafallo> jdub: we didn't have a LoCo at that time ;-) [11:44] <opi> jdub, thanks for Planet changes (URI to our Planet:-) [11:44] <carstenh> wasabi_: it would also make publishing private repositories more complicated [11:44] <Nafallo> jdub: the picture aren't anywhere else? we have an artist for the banners and stuff already. or are there official material we should use? [11:44] <lamont> jbailey: I'll hold off on doing that for a bit, and let the diff be more than just the changelog [11:44] <wasabi_> carstenh, good. [11:44] <jdub> opi: ah, good, hadn't seen the change land yet :) [11:44] <carstenh> wasabi_: ... since everybody that oofers a private repository has to know that and handle it correctly [11:44] <wasabi_> carstenh, we don't want private repositories to easily overwrite ubuntu packages without no interaction. [11:44] <wasabi_> imo [11:44] <jdub> Nafallo: jane can send you the image [11:45] <jdub> Nafallo: alternatively, you could grab the circle image from the HumanCircle gdm theme [11:45] <Nafallo> jdub: oki :-). will try the second alternative first. thanx [11:45] <carstenh> wasabi_: then maybe offically repositories should be pinned with a higher priority per default [11:46] <wasabi_> Hmm. [11:46] <Mithrandir> mdz: tollef.fog.heen@canonical.com/casper--debconf-copydb--0 ; http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/archives/tollef.fog.heen@canonical.com [11:46] <opi> jdub, http://bronikowski.com/?menu=single&id=127 ;) [11:46] <mdz> Mithrandir: ouch [11:47] <mdz> C casper/post.d/20xconfig [11:47] <mdz> C debian/changelog [11:47] <wasabi_> Hmmm. [11:47] <wasabi_> I guess that is actually good enough. [11:47] <mdz> Mithrandir: where did you branch from? [11:47] <wasabi_> Ya know, I just short circuited my entire argument. [11:47] <carstenh> wasabi_: i did not have much time to think about it. maybe i'll find that idea great after sleeping a night. this are just my priviate opinions and maybe you should talk to someone else about this. [11:47] <Mithrandir> mdz: the one you mentioned; baz branch matt.zimmerman@canonical.com/casper--main--0 tollef.fog.heen@canonical.com/casper--debconf-copydb--0 [11:48] <mdz> Mithrandir: oops, my mirror was out of date [11:48] <mdz> Mithrandir: please merge with main and resolve the conflicts [11:49] <lamont> hrm... lsb-release is Depend'ed on by: lsb lsb-release ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop update-manager update-notifier [11:49] <carstenh> wasabi_: on the other hand if i use backports.debian.org (don't know if ubuntu has something similar) i want this packages to override the offical packages. [11:50] <jdub> hmm, i should try a breezy install [11:50] <mdz> jdub: yes, you should [11:50] <carstenh> wasabi_: so enforcing a higher pinning for offical stuff might not that good too [11:51] <wasabi_> carstenh, i've got a little piece of sample code I am working with that adds support for .apt files. The .apt file contains a gpg key and archive path and packages to install. When you launch one it asks you to trust the key and installt he packages. [11:51] <jdub> mdz: should i try a ppc one? [11:51] <wasabi_> The idea will be for ISVs to provide easy installs of third party applications. [11:51] <mjg59> What's the mapping between kernel keycodes and X keycodes? [11:51] <Mithrandir> mdz: done; I removed your makedev hack since infinity has fixed it in a better way in makedev for the next livecd image. [11:51] <mdz> jdub: take your pick [11:52] <opi> mdz, should I try ppc one on Pegasos, or yaboot will still not work? [11:52] <jdub> i'd rather not, i still have a warm place in my heart for my toilet seat ibook, i'd rather not bash it to pieces [11:52] <mdz> Mithrandir: agreed [11:53] <Nafallo> hmm, the people looked up in gdm and down on the cd ;-) [11:53] <mdz> Mithrandir: hmm, doesn't this make the progress bar look a bit strange? [11:53] <Mithrandir> mdz: I don't think so? [11:53] <mdz> Mithrandir: it would display the same message for both pre.d/20xconfig and post.d/20xconfig [11:53] <carstenh> wasabi_: hmm, this might be worth discussing with apt's upsteam. maybe you should file a wishlist bug for that or talk to him dircetly if he has some time. [11:53] <mdz> maybe the first one is fast enough that it isn't noticeable though [11:54] <wasabi_> carstenh, I've talked with mov a lot. I was just considering the security implications. [11:54] <Mithrandir> mdz: I think it'll be quick enough, but feel free to rename the first stage. [11:57] <mdz> Mithrandir: merged, renamed, mirrored [11:57] <carstenh> wasabi_: i don't know who mov is. i guess i can't help you further and hope hearing my opinions has helped you a little bit :) [11:57] <mdz> s/mirrored/mirroring/ [11:58] <Mithrandir> mdz: will you do the upload as well? It's midnight and I've had a few beers so I think I'm off to bed. [11:58] <mdz> Mithrandir: I thought it needs to wait for the new cdebconf anyway [11:58] <Mithrandir> mdz: it needs the new cdebconf, yes. [11:58] <mdz> Mithrandir: 0.84ubuntu2? [11:59] <Mithrandir> yes [11:59] <mdz> should probably wait until tomorrow to be sure [11:59] <Mithrandir> ok, sure. [12:00] <jdub> yes! xmkmf! [12:01] <Mithrandir> mdz: is there anything in particular you want me to concentrate on tomorrow? I've started trying to get the RC bug count down so far, but if you want me to look at other stuff, please tell me. [12:02] <Mithrandir> mdz: I've contemplated beginning to hack on partman-evms as well, for breezy+1 [12:02] <mdz> Mithrandir: bugzilla [12:03] <Mithrandir> mdz: bugzilla is naturally what I go by for RCness, yes. [12:03] <mdz> Mithrandir: should get more particular than that as I'm able to process the bug list, set severities and assign bugs [12:03] <Mithrandir> sounds fine.

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.480935

2005-08-22-#launchpad

[12:08] <sabdfl> mpt: any progress on the main template, with facets-as-tabs? [12:09] <mpt> sabdfl: I haven't had time to do that yet, I've been working on the Rosetta copy-and-paste buttons [12:09] <sabdfl> mpt: ok cool [12:09] <sabdfl> can you make that next on your list? [12:09] <sabdfl> night all [12:10] <mpt> ok, though I'm not that keen on something which will make them take up more space [12:10] <mpt> 'night [12:10] <bradb> later sabdfl [12:10] <Nafallo> night sabdfl :-) [12:12] <mpt> ugh [12:21] <Keybuk> These files violate naming conventions: [12:21] <Keybuk> examples/.arch-ids/\(U+E2)\(U+99)\(U+AA)\(U+E2)\(U+99)\(U+AC).id [12:21] <Keybuk> examples/\(U+E2)\(U+99)\(U+AA)\(U+E2)\(U+99)\(U+AC) [12:21] <Keybuk> -- [12:22] <Keybuk> they do ?! it shouldn't afaict [12:23] <Keybuk> lifeless: ? [12:26] <bradb> fmt:approximateduration is in spiv's review queue, later all [12:27] <carlos> stub, I have an update to the migration script already but I cannot merge it yet, I have there other changes, can you merge to stagging to test it? [12:27] <stub> carlos: Sure [12:27] <carlos> stub, carlos.perello@canonical.com--2004/launchpad--devel--0 [12:28] <carlos> stub, the other changes should not affect that script [12:29] <stub> Are the changes you care about only in the script? if so, I don't have to worry about merging. [12:29] <stub> carlos: ^^^ [12:29] <carlos> stub, the needed changes to get the script running is only in the script, the branch touches other files [12:30] <carlos> but those changes are not related, it belongs to other changeset [12:36] <carlos> stub, do you need anything else to test it? [12:36] <stub> Nop [12:36] <stub> e [12:37] <carlos> ok, thanks [12:37] <carlos> good night [01:58] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [r=salgado] Make EnumCol work with default=DEFAULT. Fixes bug 1659. (patch-2263: andrew.bennetts@canonical.com) [03:05] <stub> spiv: Where you going to stop the librarian accepting files with evil filenames? (eg. containing / or \0) If so, can you update Bug388 with characters you deem as evil? [03:06] <spiv> stub: The only characters I'm inclined to deem as evil are / and \0. [03:06] <spiv> But part of me feels that it's not the librarian's problem ;) [03:06] <stub> Once the DB constaints are in place, it won't get as far as the Librarian. [03:08] <jamesh> are characters that look like "/" evil too? [03:08] <spiv> What's the use case for disallowing them? (I admit I don't really have one for allowing them either0 [03:08] <spiv> ) [03:09] <spiv> jamesh: The reason to disallow / and \0 are because they're invalid in posix filenames (although / is of course valid in a pathname). [03:10] <spiv> But I'm struggling to see any way that it actually matters. [03:10] <spiv> I guess the database column being called "filename" rather than "pathname" is one argument. [03:10] <stub> spiv: Because broken clients can upload a file with filename 'c:/foo/bar.txt', which then can't be downloaded in any sane fashion. [03:10] <jamesh> spiv: I suppose the web browser would replace them anyway, if a user is downloading and saving them [03:10] <spiv> stub: Why can't they be downloaded? [03:11] <jamesh> stub: on Windows, I think that would get downloaded as c__foo_bar.txt [03:11] <stub> spiv: Because they are invalid and look like a hacking attempt (eg. what should firefox do if you ask it to download a file called ~/.bashrc ? ) [03:11] <jamesh> been a while since I've checked though [03:11] <spiv> stub: Probably save it do $downloaddir/.bashrc [03:11] <jamesh> it's pretty easy to test for though [03:12] <stub> spiv: But we don't know that, and we shouldn't let invalid data get into the system in the first place. [03:12] <spiv> If you can convince me that it's invalid, I'll be much happier :) [03:13] <stub> It would probably be specified in the MIME rfc under the filename attibute to the mimetype [03:14] <spiv> I am leaning slightly towards disallowing them, but I'd really like to have a strong reason other than a vague feeling that it's probably better. [03:14] <spiv> If only so that I can put a more useful comment in the code than "Disallow / and \0, just in case" ;) [03:15] <spiv> See section 2.3 of RFC 2184 [03:15] <spiv> Er, [03:15] <spiv> 2183 [03:16] <spiv> Although it's discussing MUAs rather than HTTP clients. [03:18] <stub> actually, MIME is a red herring. These filenames are served up as part of URLs, which IIRC can include anything if properly UTF-8 encoded and quoted [03:18] <stub> But clients might still have issues, and I'm not going to test all the clients ;) [03:19] <spiv> http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec19.html#sec19.5.1 [03:20] <stub> I'm inclined to disallow anything that indicates the client uploading the file is screwed, because we really don't want data from that source ;) [03:20] <spiv> Arbitrary restrictions have a way of biting you in the arse unexpectedly six months later :) [03:21] <stub> Does the Librarian actually set that header? [03:21] <stub> Or not bother, since the filename is the final component of the URL? [03:21] <spiv> Your example of c:/foo/bar.txt inclines me to not bother disallowing anything -- I'm interested in learning how to make "safe" filenames for every OS out there. [03:22] <spiv> It doesn't send it, no. [03:22] <stub> My example is actually based from real world experiance with broken windows clients that tended to upload filenames such as c:\foo\bar.txt [03:22] <spiv> Which is a 100% valid posix filename. [03:24] <stub> 'safe' can be defined as ASCII and not containing / \ : or \0 , which is probably a bit strict now days (we could extend that to UTF-8 and not containing / \ : or \0 [03:24] <stub> Indeed - c:\foo\bar.txt is 100% valid, but is totally broken. Users report it as a bug, so you shouldn't let it get in the first place. [03:25] <stub> The only use case I can think of for allowing a filename like that is so you can laugh at the silly person still using IE4 (or whatever it was) [03:26] <jamesh> stub: on Windows, you'll get in trouble with *, ? and a few others [03:26] <stub> I tend to not like \0 and it tends to break C code unexpectedly [03:27] <stub> true. Anyway, I would really only bother disallowing [03:27] <spiv> Sure, and filenames longer than a certain length might trigger buffer overflows in some C code too ;) [03:27] <Keybuk> the fun ones are filenames with \n in them <g> [03:27] <spiv> Right, whitespace can break badly written shell scripts... [03:27] <stub> ... / and \0 , because the first indicates the client is screwed and the second is scary [03:27] <Keybuk> and libtool [03:28] <Keybuk> / and \0 are the only invalid characters in a POSIX filename :-/ [03:28] <Keybuk> ^G in them is fun [03:29] <spiv> Ok, so the two reasonable choices are 1) free for all, 2) everything except / and \0. [03:29] <spiv> Trying to restrict more than that is the path to madness, as we try to guess what breaks windows and whatnot. [03:30] <Keybuk> utf-8 filenames are certainly "normal" in linux now [03:30] <spiv> Well, the librarian stores filenames as unicode. [03:31] <stub> Keybuk: Is that now 'standard', or is it still the filename is assumed to be in the encoding being used by the terminal? [03:31] <spiv> There's no guarantee clients won't upload encoded names, though. [03:31] <Keybuk> there's nothing in the filesystem to force it (unless your fs=fat) [03:31] <stub> spiv: If it aint a valid UTF-8 sequence, PostgreSQL will barf [03:32] <spiv> And I don't think HTTP has any standard way to serve non-ASCII filenames. [03:32] <Keybuk> so how you read filenames is how they're displayed [03:32] <spiv> stub: Well, it'd be double-encoded would be the issue. [03:32] <spiv> But we can't do much about people uploading garbage except serve that garbage back at them :) [03:32] <stub> spiv: Can't happen - the filename is decoded on upload [03:33] <jamesh> Keybuk: JFS also wants unicode filenames, iirc [03:33] <spiv> stub: By "client" I don't mean the librarian client, I mean Joe Bloggs with his dodgy Web Browsez0r 0.9. [03:33] <Keybuk> really? sweet [03:35] <spiv> stub: (once I fix a bug) The librarian client always sends filenames utf-8 encoded, and the librarian server utf-8 decodes them into unicode objects, which of course are then re-encoded for insertion into the database. [03:35] <spiv> The librarian server already barfs on non-utf-8 filenames. [03:36] <stub> OS-X is UTF-8 -- it becomes necessary to define the encoding when you have a Unicode aware filesystem browser. And Win32 is all Unicode apis so I don't think the encoding is even exposed to developers. I assume the existing Linux ones all just break if the filenames arn't encoded the way they expect :-( [03:39] <jamesh> stub: on Windows, there are two APIs for pretty much everything: the unicode one and the "ANSI" one [03:40] <jamesh> where the ANSI one is the legacy encoding [03:41] <jamesh> so you can create files with the unicode API that apps using the ANSI API can't read [04:10] <mdz> so now that my duplicate launchpad users are all sorted, is there a way for me to change 'name93' to 'mdz'? [04:11] <spiv> mdz: Currently only by asking stub, I think :/ [04:11] <spiv> I'm not sure what's left to stop us from letting users edit that. [04:12] <spiv> https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/WhatNamesCanBeChanged says it ought to be allowed. [04:14] <mdz> does stub read scrollback? [04:14] <mdz> stub: ^^^ [04:14] <mdz> who's responsible for the code of conduct signing stuff? [04:15] <spiv> stub reads scrollback afaik, yeah. [04:20] <spiv> cprov, iirc. [04:32] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] only-one-ubuntu-wikiname constraint and people merge patch to cope (patch-2264: stuart.bishop@canonical.com) [05:46] <stub> mdz: Updated [05:46] <mdz> stub: thanks [08:10] <spiv> stub: thanks for fixing #1313! [08:11] <stub> Just karma whoring [08:11] <spiv> :) [08:12] <spiv> Well, that's probably fair enough, given that it was probably our most frequently reported dupe. [08:27] <lifeless> 1212 ? [08:28] <lifeless> bah [08:28] <lifeless> ignore me [08:28] <lifeless> win 18 [10:41] <carlos> morning [10:48] <carlos> stub, hi, how was the whitespace script test? still running? [11:36] <stub> carlos: still running [11:37] <carlos> that's good [11:37] <carlos> means the bug would be fixed [12:11] <sabdf1> stub: could you tell me which upstream apps have the most bugs filed against them? just top 5 or 10 [12:24] <sabdfl> stub: ping [12:43] <sabdfl> lifeless: ping [12:44] <lifeless> sabdfl: pong, just talking about you :0 [12:45] <lifeless> (jdub is giving his oscon talk to debsig) [12:45] <sabdfl> lifeless: coolio :-) [12:45] <sabdfl> lifeless: could you give me read-only access to the staging db please? i have accounts on mawson and asuka [12:46] <lifeless> mawson is staging right ? [12:46] <sabdfl> asuka, i think [12:47] <sabdfl> not sure which db it is [12:47] <Kinnison> mawson is dogfood, asuka is staging [12:47] <sabdfl> stub and salgado might know [12:47] <sabdfl> Kinnison: db names? [12:47] <lifeless> bah, don't have the right keys with me, I can do it when I get home if stub hasn't surfaced by thenm [12:48] <sabdfl> ok, cool, thanks [12:51] <Kinnison> sabdfl: people seem to use: psql -h asuka.ubuntu.com -U ro -d launchpad_staging [12:51] <Kinnison> sabdfl: from mawson [12:52] <carlos> sabdfl, ^^ that's what daf and I use [12:52] <sabdfl> psql: FATAL: no pg_hba.conf entry for host "82.211.81.131", user "ro", database "launchpad_staging", SSL off [12:53] <lifeless> sabdfl: if you have access to asuka/mawson, you should have sudo access to the launchpad use [12:53] <carlos> sabdfl, from mawson [12:53] <lifeless> *user* [12:53] <lifeless> thats what we usually give people who are working with those machines [01:22] <stub> yo [01:25] <sabdfl> hey stubarooney [01:26] <stub> name | count [01:26] <stub> ----------------------+------- [01:26] <stub> malone | 304 [01:26] <stub> launchpad | 281 [01:26] <stub> bazaar | 246 [01:26] <stub> rosetta | 159 [01:26] <sabdfl> think you can let me see staging read-only, from mawson or asuka? [01:26] <stub> foaf | 51 [01:26] <stub> hct | 14 [01:26] <stub> soyuz | 6 [01:26] <stub> sympa | 4 [01:26] <stub> ubp-hoary-unofficial | 3 [01:26] <stub> ubuntu | 3 [01:26] <stub> bluefish | 2 [01:26] <stub> blender | 2 [01:26] <stub> buildd | 2 [01:26] <stub> fdclock | 2 [01:26] <sabdfl> thats plenty [01:26] <stub> gnomebaker | 2 [01:27] <stub> sabdfl: You should be able to connect to launchpad_staging on asuka as the ro user now (from your mawson account, using the command given before) [01:28] <sabdfl> mark@mawson:~ $ psql -h asuka.ubuntu.com -U ro -d launchpad_staging [01:28] <sabdfl> psql: FATAL: no pg_hba.conf entry for host "82.211.81.131", user "ro", database "launchpad_staging", SSL off [01:28] <sabdfl> nup [01:28] <sabdfl> did you see jdub's presentation? [01:28] <stub> argh... username mark, not sabdfl :-( [01:29] <sabdfl> :-) [01:29] <stub> sabdfl: ok - try again [01:29] <sabdfl> rocking, thanks [01:31] <sabdfl> very exciting [01:33] <sivang> sabdfl: what was his presentation about? [01:39] <sabdfl> sivang: aiui it was his oscon presentation, replayed. [01:40] <sabdfl> stub: i'm [trivial] 'ing a two-liner that lets you exclude dbschemas from the vocabs [01:42] <sabdfl> it might be better to have dbschema items be markable as deprecated, so they don't show up [01:42] <sabdfl> the use case for this is the debbugs tracker, we only know of one, we don't want people registering more [01:43] <stub> sounds sane. A deprecated flag doesn't sound appropriate for your use case though - the way you are doing it seems to be the best option. [01:58] <carlos> see you later [02:17] <lifeless> nofht all [02:17] <lifeless> bah [02:17] <lifeless> night all [02:20] <BjornT> stub: do i need your approval if want to edit security.cfg? (add delete to bugsubscription) [02:21] <stub> BjornT: Nope - as long as I know about it. [02:21] <BjornT> stub: cool [02:25] <ondrej> mm all [02:26] <ondrej> is there a plan to do cleanup in rosetta breezy target? so f.e. glib2.0 is not list 7x times? [02:31] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] polish home pages (patch-2265: mark.shuttleworth@canonical.com) [02:39] <sabdfl> carlos: ^^ q from ondrej [02:41] <ondrej> sabdfl: feeling better today? heard you were/are sick (yesterday)... [02:42] <sabdfl> ondrej: yes, much better today thanks. lurgie from brazil had me nailed yeterday [02:43] <ondrej> :-) that's good... hope to see you on next CC meeting... [03:00] <kiko> hey ho [03:01] <sivang> yo kiko [03:02] <sabdfl> kiko: is salgado around? [03:02] <sabdfl> any idea why we don't have a Person.karma cache? [03:02] <mpt> We're not sure where he is, sabdfl [03:02] <mpt> We think he might be at classes [03:02] <kiko> I am sure where he is [03:02] <kiko> he's at classes [03:04] <sabdfl> kiko: please could you ask him to do the following: [03:04] <sabdfl> - add a karma field to the Person table [03:04] <sabdfl> - replace Person.karma() with that field [03:05] <sabdfl> - make update-stats.py also update karma [03:05] <sabdfl> so we have the karma value cached, and can index and query it [03:05] <kiko> sabdfl, could you file a bug? :) [03:05] <ondrej> suggestion for rosetta: there should be simple way how to use suggested translation: copy & paste is not very efficient... simple javascript could be implemented, so you can just click and have it prefilled in input box... [03:06] <sabdfl> product? foaf does not exist [03:06] <mpt> ondrej: I'm working on that at the moment [03:06] <kiko> ondrej, yeah, known trick it's in the pipeline [03:06] <kiko> sabdfl, launchpad [03:06] <mpt> sabdfl: It was renamed to ex-foaf, with its bugs etc rolled into launchpad [03:06] <kiko> there are only three lp products now -- launchpad, malone, rosetta [03:06] <ondrej> ok, thanks for info [03:07] <sabdfl> kiko: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1794 [03:08] <kiko> sabdfl, thanks, I'll make sure it's done [03:09] <sabdfl> ondrej: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/TranslationReview [03:09] <sabdfl> though, that spec does not reflect what i asked for in Brazil. MPT? [03:09] <sabdfl> i didn't want radio buttons... [03:11] <ondrej> nice, I like those scanned paper notes :-) [03:13] <ondrej> btw, from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar Sep 1st - StringFreezy - does this mean that *upstream* (from translation teams POV) strings are freezed and L10N teams can start work on translations? [03:13] <mpt> sabdfl: Should you eventually get karma if your suggestion gets accepted? If so, there needs to be some way of identifying whose suggestion is being accepted. And as the radiobuttons copy into the field just like the copy buttons do, in case you want to tweak one of them. [03:14] <mpt> It's much simpler than the previous version of the spec :-) [03:15] <ondrej> I was also asked this question: how and when are translations from rosetta propagated to Ubuntu? It makes sense not only to translate some *random* strings in rosetta, but also to test them inside live system. [03:16] <kiko> ondrej, the translations are exported into language packs, which are then rolled into the distribution, so indeed they are used [03:17] <WaterSevenUb> ondrej: but the documentation string freeze is only Sep 8th [03:17] <ondrej> kiko: so every new release of language-pack contains up-to-data translations from rosetta? [03:17] <kiko> that is correct [03:22] <ondrej> is there a way how to review translations in one language and all packages? I have team member who is not so sure of his translations, and marks all as "Need Review", so I would like to review all of them in one big batch (601 translation strings suggested) [03:22] <ondrej> and if not it would be nice thing to have [03:25] <kiko> there is a review interface planned [03:26] <ondrej> just didn't see this suggestion in TranslationReview wiki page, so I thought it would be usefull to mention it :-) [03:27] <kiko> yeah, it's a great suggestion -- mpt, which spec covers the mass-review UI? [03:27] <bradb> morning [03:28] <ondrej> err, https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/RosettaSpecification page broken: ImportErrorCannot load macro ListSpecifications [03:28] <kiko> ondrej, agh. [03:28] <kiko> elmo? [03:29] <elmo> what? [03:29] <kiko> elmo, I wrote a couple of macros to automate some queries our moin instance [03:30] <kiko> s/our/on our [03:30] <kiko> elmo, what would be a good way to install them and allow me to update them as I go? [03:30] <elmo> send them to me [03:30] <kiko> okidok [03:31] <mpt> kiko: I hadn't heard of the mass-review idea before [03:32] <kiko> elmo, sent [03:32] <mpt> I don't think we have a spec for it [03:32] <mpt> ondrej, perhaps you would like to write the spec? :-) [03:32] <kiko> mpt, in capetown we discussed it -- it would be across potemplates [03:32] <bradb> spiv: ping [03:33] <mpt> Well, if we do, I don't think it's one I was involved in [03:33] <mpt> either that or I have a bad memory [03:34] <kiko> or too many drugs [03:35] <mpt> yeah, that must be it [03:35] <mpt> pink mushrooms [03:37] <spiv> bradb: pong [03:37] <spiv> bradb: want that review done? [03:37] <bradb> spiv: yes please! [03:37] <bradb> if possible, of course [03:40] <kiko> there were beautiful [03:42] <ddaa> sabdfl: do the tables "changesetfilename", "changesetfile" and "changesetfilehash" have any future? They are going to require additional work to support with import-archivelocation and they are quite arch-specific in design (assume on-disk changeset-based storage). [03:43] <ddaa> I'd rather have them ignored now (no longer updated) and delete at the first oppurtinity. [03:44] <ondrej> mpt: err, I am not good at writing specifications :-) [03:45] <ondrej> but I can try :-) [03:48] <mpt> ondrej: So you are wanting to review all the translations made by a particular person? [03:53] <carlos> ondrej, It needs some manual changes, I'm doing it from time to time, but it's a bit hard. Will fix glib now. [03:56] <ondrej> https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/TranslationMulti [03:57] <mpt> excellent, thanks ondrej [03:57] <ondrej> carlos: ok, thanks... I guess this will settle down with StringFreezes? [03:58] <carlos> ondrej, it should not affect StringFreezes... usually is the same but from different versions that our automatic system was not able to handle [04:00] <ondrej> I mean - you will do one big manual cleanup at that time...? [04:00] <jblack> ddaa: ping [04:01] <ddaa> jblack: sir? [04:01] <jblack> Good morning! (afternoon for you). [04:01] <jblack> Do you have time for an interview this morning? [04:01] <ddaa> hu? [04:02] <ddaa> Who are we interviewing? [04:02] <jblack> I'm interviewing you. dislodging data, dependancies, etc. [04:02] <jblack> this is for a nice solid roadmap [04:03] <jblack> iirc, you're doing the lp part of the supermirror. [04:03] <carlos> ondrej, if I have time, yes [04:03] <ddaa> I'm only on usual overload, not overloaded overload, so I guess I have the time :) [04:03] <carlos> ondrej, but I'm a bit busy atm with jordi and daf out [04:03] <jblack> Ok. Whats a good offset from now to start? [04:04] <ddaa> jblack: not sure if I can tell you anything though. I did not have time even to touch the LP things I'm supposed to do. [04:04] <ondrej> carlos: ok, I will ping you if something as glib2.0 is there again... [04:05] <jblack> This is just in the context of building a raodmap. [04:05] <carlos> ondrej, there are more, I know, but I will try to fix the ones people ask for first [04:05] <ddaa> "Whats a good offset from now to start?" I do not understand your question. [04:06] <jblack> now + 0 min, now + 1 hour, six hours from now, after you've had a cup of wine.... [04:06] <ddaa> jblack: let's do it now. [04:06] <jblack> Great. [04:08] <jblack> I'm that pink number on the bottom. [04:38] <carlos> ondrej, done: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/glib2.0/+translations [04:39] <carlos> ondrej, next week the deprecated entries will disappear [04:43] <bradb> spiv: will you have a chance to do that review today? [04:44] <ondrej> carlos: thanks [04:46] <carlos> spiv, can I merge the last branch you reviewed? or do you need anything else after my last answers? [04:47] <spiv> bradb: In your mail now. That should keep you busy ;) [04:49] <spiv> carlos: Your devel branch? [04:49] <bradb> spiv: cool, thanks [04:49] <carlos> spiv, yeah [04:49] <carlos> spiv, I think the only open issue is related with the new Interface you suggested [04:50] <spiv> carlos: Hmm, I don't see a reply to it, and my review had a few questions. [04:50] <carlos> spiv, I answered them... [04:50] <jblack> spiv: You're up! Will you be up in a little bit? [04:50] <carlos> spiv, when did you get my last email? [04:51] <spiv> jblack: Unlikely, it's past my bedtime. You might get lucky though ;) [04:51] <spiv> carlos: The 12th, I think. [04:52] <carlos> spiv, my laptop's email server went down [04:52] <spiv> carlos: I've definitely seen no answers to my review of your devel branch... [04:52] <bradb> spiv: how much longer will you be around? i'm hoping to fix this up and land today, if possible. [04:52] <carlos> it should go out now [04:53] <spiv> bradb: About to crash, sorry. [04:53] <bradb> ok, no worries, thanks for the review [04:54] <spiv> bradb: But if the changes you make are all more or less as proposed in the review (and you make all the changes required by the review), you can merge. [04:54] <spiv> I guess that's technically merge-conditional rather than needs-reply. [04:54] <spiv> Except that I want to review the changes after merge in that case, just in case :) [04:55] <spiv> The nice thing about having that huge list of tests is that we can be confident it actually works, even if it's ugly. [04:55] <bradb> yep, i live by that motto [04:55] <spiv> Yeah, I'll mark it merge-conditional on the wiki for you. [04:55] <bradb> thanks [04:56] <spiv> carlos: ok. [04:56] <kiko> carlos, I hate POParser already [04:57] <carlos> kiko, ok, now we are three, should we create a club? :-P [05:00] <kiko> I might be able to fix it somewhat [05:00] <kiko> I'm trying [05:01] <kiko> carlos, would it make sense to strip() all lines in a pofile? [05:01] <carlos> kiko, daf has a new parser that should be compatible with current one, I don't think you should expend too much time with it, we should move either to daf's one or fix gettext's one [05:01] <jblack> kiko: Glad you're here. [05:01] <jblack> spiv: Still around? [05:02] <spiv> carlos: Also, update the wiki when you reply to a review, to mark it needs-review again. [05:02] <carlos> kiko, before or after remove msgid "" and msgstr "" ? [05:02] <carlos> spiv, ok [05:02] <spiv> carlos: That way I only need to look at one place to know if I have review work to do. [05:03] <kiko> carlos, in general, I mean -- should trailing whitespace be taken into account? [05:03] <kiko> carlos, a new parser? wow, where? [05:03] <carlos> kiko, he sent me it a while ago, but still has some bugs [05:03] <spiv> jblack: Yes, but only barely. [05:03] <jblack> Do you have time to look at an email and add 3 lines to it? [05:04] <spiv> If you're quick ;) [05:04] <jblack> What email address to you prefer for sending? [05:04] <spiv> andrew@canonical.com [05:04] <carlos> kiko, if you do it before any file parsing, that's ok [05:04] <mpt> Anyone know what that means? [05:04] <mpt> cprov? [05:05] <kiko> code of conduct [05:05] <kiko> is that the question? [05:06] <mpt> I know what a CoC is [05:06] <mpt> (though I'm going to change that to "Code of Conduct" here anyway) [05:06] <cprov> mpt: yes, this actions is documented in the spec, consists in a approval of a not digitally signature of CoC by a CC member (aka LP Admin) [05:06] <mpt> but what does "Acknowledge" mean in this context? [05:07] <mpt> cprov: Sorry, "approval of a not digitally signature" ... [05:07] <Nafallo> sounds like Approve to me [05:07] <mpt> cprov: So someone signs the Code [05:07] <mpt> or someone says they agree to it [05:07] <mpt> but doesn't digitally sign it? [05:07] <bradb> spiv: btw, bisect.bisect appears to return the index that would be the insertion point for the item, so 1. it will always be one greater than the position of the item that interests us, 2. it's not documented to raise an IndexError at all, as best i can tell [05:07] <mpt> cprov: And then an admin has to say "yes, this is equivalent to a real signature"? [05:07] <jblack> kiko: Will you be here in ~ 20 minutes? [05:08] <kiko> hmm [05:08] <kiko> I shouldn't be [05:08] <cprov> mpt: sorry, typed bad english ... yes, in fact it could be a REAL signature sent by fax to a member [05:08] <kiko> jblack, in 2h? [05:08] <jblack> in 2h, for up to 2h ? [05:08] <mpt> cprov: So this is something an admin does [05:08] <mpt> all right [05:09] <kiko> cprov, "could" or "will be"? [05:09] <kiko> jblack, sure [05:09] <cprov> mpt: exactly, the page is restricted [05:09] <spiv> bradb: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileuPFG4M.html [05:09] <jblack> Its a date. I'll wear my prettiest dress. [05:09] <cprov> kiko: it is ;) [05:10] <spiv> bradb: Note the (seconds, '') trick, which perhaps should be more prominently commented. [05:10] <mpt> cprov: How about "Register Someone's Signature"? [05:11] <kiko> cprov: huh? "could" or "will be"? [05:12] <cprov> mpt: sound sane, but is it intuitive for the CC members ? maybe "Approve CoC Signature", I'm not sure about the name "Acknowledge", but it was approved by Mako in AU [05:14] <mpt> Well, you only need to do it if it wasn't an automatic signature [05:16] <cprov> mpt: yes, if the candidate has no GPG yet, or whatever everything but the normal COC GPG signed. [05:17] <mpt> so I think "Register" makes more sense for something that Launchpad didn't know about [05:17] <mpt> previously [05:17] <mpt> "Approve" would be for something that's already in Launchpad [05:19] <cprov> mpt: indeed, but if you think the process itself (apart of register a new CoC signature) means you are *approving* a new member of the UBUNTITES super-team, my suggestion still reasonable [05:21] <mpt> cprov: Do people still need to be approved separately even if they sign the Code digitally? [05:22] <mpt> cprov: Offhand, do you know which file generates the portlet on /codeofconduct ? [05:22] <cprov> mpt: no, digitally signature automatical promote the user as UBUNTITE [05:23] <mpt> ok, so this is more about their signature than it is about approving them. [05:23] <cprov> mpt: right, it makes sense [05:23] <bradb> spiv: i think the algorithm that uses bisect.bisect is broken [05:24] <bradb> e.g. [05:24] <bradb> (Pdb) bisect.bisect(representation_in_seconds, (1.5, '')) [05:24] <bradb> 0 [05:24] <cprov> mpt: portlet-codeofconduct[set] -actions.pt depends where you are [05:24] <bradb> spiv: it should be 1, in that case. [05:24] <mpt> cprov: At /codeofconduct the portlet is empty [05:24] <mpt> and none of the relevant portlets seem to have launchpad permissions stuff, so I'm not sure where the problem is [05:24] <spiv> bradb: print representation_in_seconds[0] [05:25] <cprov> mpt: should I update the CodeOfConduct spec to accomplish this decision [05:25] <spiv> bradb: Oh, 1.5, I misread. [05:25] <cprov> mpt: you are not Admin [05:25] <spiv> (I'm clearly up too late now) [05:25] <spiv> bradb: So, one hack is s/''/'z'/ [05:26] <bradb> spiv: ew! [05:26] <spiv> bradb: the second element of that tuple is the tie-breaker, you see. [05:26] <bradb> yeah :) [05:26] <spiv> You could also do: [05:26] <bradb> we need an always-higher tiebreaker, but 'z' is, ahem. [05:27] <spiv> class BiggerThanAnything: def __cmp__(self, other): 1; bta = BiggerThanAnything() [05:27] <bradb> right [05:30] <spiv> bradb: An alternative may be to sort the list in descending order. [05:31] <bradb> spiv: I could create a temp list that holds just the seconds, perhaps? [05:31] <bradb> (and bisect that) [05:31] <bradb> i'll do a quick example [05:32] <spiv> Actually, that's better, yeah: bisect([secs for (secs, text) in rep_in_seconds] , seconds) [05:32] <spiv> (except with less bad var names) [05:32] <bradb> right [05:33] <spiv> Or more cutely: bisect(zip(*representation_in_seconds)[0] , seconds) [05:34] <spiv> Probably better to do representation_in_seconds = [ ... ] ; maximums, labels = zip(*representation_in_seconds); ... ; bisect(maximums, seconds) # etc [05:34] <spiv> You'll figure something out ;) [05:35] <bradb> spiv: how crack is this? https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileUoA1mp.html [05:36] <bradb> (i'm trying to *not* be clever, because clever is hard to maintain ;) [05:36] <spiv> Well, it's either that, or second_boundaries, display_values = zip(*representation_in_seconds) :) [05:36] <bradb> right, i'll use zip. i knew there had to be a shorthand [05:37] <spiv> Which may be too clever. Just because *I* know that zip(*matrix) inverts a matrix doesn't mean the next person will :) [05:37] <spiv> I'm happy with your judgement there. [05:38] <spiv> Well... [05:38] <spiv> if matching_element_index in range(len(second_boundaries)): [05:38] <spiv> return display_values[matching_element_index] [05:38] <spiv> What's that about? [05:39] <spiv> I'd rather an "if seconds <= second_boundaries[-1] :" than that. [05:40] <spiv> Hmm, and the way you have it atm will raise IndexError on seconds > 90 I think. [05:41] <spiv> bradb: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/filegOhPc7.html [05:41] <bradb> spiv: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/file83r1Jy.html [05:41] <bradb> it doesn't raise an exception, all the tests pass [05:42] <bradb> the -1 thing is interesting too, mind [05:42] <spiv> Hmm. [05:42] <spiv> Oh, right, I see. [05:42] <spiv> "matching_element_index in range(len(second_boundaries))" looks ugly to me. [05:44] <spiv> And the direct test on seconds explains the purpose better. [05:44] <spiv> And hopefully is more consistent with the other changes I proposed. [05:44] <spiv> But I'm getting too fuzzy headed... [05:49] <bradb> spiv: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileOta8iB.html seems to have hit the sweet spot [05:54] <carlos> will be back later today [05:54] <carlos> see you [05:56] <mpt> cprov: Sorry, lunch was urgent [05:57] <mpt> cprov: I should never see an empty portlet, no matter what my permissions are [05:57] <mpt> it just looks wrong [06:00] <mpt> so in that case launchpad.Admin should be around the entire portlet, not the single item inside it. [06:05] <sabdfl> you can put that permission inside the portlet [06:05] <sabdfl> <div tal:condition="" class="portlet"> etc [06:05] <mpt> right [06:06] <mpt> ok, so I want "is an admin or is not logged in at all" [06:08] <mpt> (because they might be a logged-out admin) [06:21] <mpt> spiv: got a minute? [06:25] <sabdfl> ddaa: you can safely delete those for the moment [06:26] <ddaa> sabdfl: what do you mean by "for the moment"? [06:26] <ddaa> either it's deemed useful, or not... [06:26] <sabdfl> well, forever, unless we decide to resurrect them :-) [06:27] <sabdfl> there's currenlty quite a lot of data in there [06:27] <ddaa> sure, for every imported revision we published [06:27] <sabdfl> as i recall, we want to store some information about each revision, but not the actual files, right? [06:28] <sabdfl> we want to store, for example, which other revisions got merged into a given revision, don't we [06:29] <ddaa> That's about how it ended up after we talked you out of storing archive fulltext in the database. But the data we are talking about implementation specific: the name and checksums of individual files in the changeset storage of Arch archives. [06:30] <ddaa> The only reason I can see to have this data there is to have a "backup" in case the mirror gets compromised. IMO the database is not the right place for that. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure this changesetfile data is useless. [06:30] <ddaa> Also, these tables are completely irrelevent with bzr, which use a completely different storage. [06:30] <cprov> mpt: ehe, no problem [06:31] <cprov> mpt: you are right about the portlet, my decision produce a strange result [06:31] <ddaa> sabdfl: these tables store no semantic informations about the revisions. [06:31] <sabdfl> ddaa: ok, drop those tables [06:31] <sabdfl> could you draw up a spec for a Revision table, for me? [06:32] <sabdfl> it may involve a second table, or more, for the semantic richness, such as "revisions merged into a given revision" [06:32] <sabdfl> call the latter table Merge [06:32] <sabdfl> unless mpool has a better name for it [06:33] <ddaa> I could probably do it. But after I get up to speed with the specs you guys have written in br, and after I've cleared the (large) current backlog of very urgent things I have to do. [06:34] <ddaa> So, if you want it before september I'm afraid you would have to ask someone else, or move some of my load on somebody else. [06:35] <ddaa> Anything that does not involve fixing current or imminent breakage is way down my todo stack. [06:36] <ddaa> Right now I'm trying to fix a disconnection problem with the native cvs client so I can reproduce the python import problem... [06:36] <ddaa> Anytime I touch cscvs or importd, that turns into a recursive descent to hell. [06:39] <sabdfl> well, you guys wrote that code, and you had months to do it, so little sympathy from here ;-) [06:40] <sabdfl> strip out the changesetfilehash stuff so at least you can clean all of that out [06:40] <cprov> mpt: continuing about the "Ack CoC" details, do you want me to work on it ? Does it needs a quick look of someone from CC ? [06:40] <sabdfl> when are you going to come here? we'll spend a few days pair programming on the bits i want done [06:41] <ddaa> sabdfl: lemme see, I'm currently trying to rent a flat [06:41] <mpt> cprov: I've used "Register Someone's Signature", with a + icon [06:41] <ddaa> then on sep. 10 I will attend the marriage of a childhood friend [06:41] <mpt> cprov: It's in mpt@canonical.com/launchpad--deactionizing--0508 if you want to look (though there's a lot of non-CoC stuff in there) [06:42] <cprov> mpt: uhm, have you already fixed ? great, you should change also the URL [06:42] <ddaa> sabdfl: depending on how the appartment plans unfold, I may be able to come starting sep. 12. [06:44] <mpt> cprov: ok, will do [06:44] <ddaa> I cannot commit to anything right now, as it's all in a state of flux. I might very well be moving to the new appt on the sep. 12 week. [06:44] <cprov> mpt: thank you for help me on this ;) [06:45] <mpt> cprov: It's ok, fixing wording is part of my job [06:46] <sabdfl> ddaa: i am away sep 16-30 [06:46] <ddaa> that's going to be tricky [06:47] <ddaa> Next week is not possible, as I have an appt visit, and I might be signing the rent for an appt I already visited. [06:48] <ddaa> (actually, I stand a pretty good chance, so it's a small "might") [06:49] <ddaa> I'll try to get one week at some point before sep. 9 [06:58] <sivang> sabdfl: what is that revision table going to be used ? to track revisions of upstreams sources that get imported into launchpad's baz repo? [07:03] <sabdfl> yup [07:03] <cprov> mpt: do you have time for a quick view on what 've already done for buildd UI ? http://hillary:8086/buildfarm/ ... [07:04] <ddaa> sivang: yup, at first. Then it will also track revisions of bazaar branches uploaded to the supermirror. [07:11] <mpt> cprov: ok, so this is what you had before the ABUI spec? [07:27] <mpt> If a system error occurs at an URL that nothing links to, is that still a bug? [07:29] <ddaa> duh... it's only a puny 214M, come on you lazy bastard emacs! [07:30] <kiko> vim rocks [07:31] <jblack> Yeah. go vim. :) [07:31] <ddaa> less is faster [07:33] <jblack> jdub: ping [07:33] <jblack> duh. its middle of the night for him [07:35] <sabdfl> is the guess-your-country stuff working again? [07:36] <sabdfl> no, it's not [07:43] <ddaa> Apparently, guido likes to add comments in the cvs files after committing... [07:43] <ddaa> no wonder it cause import tools to blow [07:44] <kiko> spiv, I am rumbling python-dev about deprecating id(), hee hee [07:46] <philiKON> was launchpad or rosetta updated to a new version recently? [07:47] <philiKON> the new translation progress indicators aren't half as useful as the old ones were. [07:47] <philiKON> they try to look fancier but in fac tthey look goofier [07:47] <philiKON> and some times don't even work correctly [07:48] <kiko> philiKON, take it up with mpt [07:48] <kiko> there is the issue that they are partially broken [07:49] <kiko> mpt, can you ask stub to cherry-pick your fix? [07:49] <philiKON> e.g. when i look at https://launchpad.net/products/zope/+series/zope3.1/+translations, the german and russian bars are broken [07:50] <philiKON> plus, why do they have to be a gradient now? it makes them harder read (for me) [07:50] <philiKON> what added value does it have compared to a solid colour? [07:53] <mpt> philiKON: They were always a gradient. I had to make some of them lighter so that color-blind people could read them. [07:54] <philiKON> blind [07:54] <philiKON> :) [07:54] <philiKON> never looked like gradients to me before [07:55] <mpt> kiko: I haven't heard back from PQM yet [07:55] <kiko> uhm [07:55] <philiKON> i don't mind the weirdly bright colours, but i find the vertical gradient very disturbing [07:55] <philiKON> anyway, supper [07:55] <philiKON> bbl [07:55] <mpt> ok, fair point [07:55] <mpt> "PQM Queue: 0 scripts" [08:00] <ddaa> cannot parse this shit [08:00] <ddaa> it makes no sense [08:01] <ddaa> mhh... maybe it does... there are extraneous revisions, but they are all merges [08:01] <ddaa> Keybuk: help! [08:01] <Keybuk> 'sup? [08:02] <ddaa> In the python-main rlog [08:02] <ddaa> for /cvsroot/python/python/dist/src/Lib/test/test_mailbox.py,v [08:02] <mpt> kiko: Actually, this might be a side-effect of moving to an Async machine [08:02] <ddaa> rlog says: total revisions: 14;\tselected revisions: 14 [08:02] <ddaa> However [08:03] <kiko> mpt, ask salgado [08:03] <ddaa> there seems to be 16 revisions! [08:03] <sabdfl> kiko: is there a bug on the request-country-guessing stuff being broken in production? [08:04] <ddaa> revisions 14, 15 and 16 are 1.3.4.1, 1.8.10.2 and 1.8.10.1 [08:04] <ddaa> and they are all merges [08:04] <ddaa> (there's some other weirdness that suggests that the ,v files was manually edited by GvR) [08:04] <kiko> sabdfl, let me find it so you can evaluate [08:04] <ddaa> Keybuk: can you make any sense out of that? [08:04] <mpt> sabdfl: yes [08:05] <kiko> sabdfl, is it https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1730 [08:05] <kiko> ? [08:05] <ddaa> Keybuk: maybe you'd like a command to get the problematic rlog? [08:05] <Keybuk> please [08:05] <sabdfl> thanks, yes [08:06] <kiko> mpt? [08:06] <kiko> ask salgado to assist you [08:06] <mpt> yes, he just has [08:07] <ddaa> holy shit [08:07] <jblack> kiko: Did you get a chance to read that email? [08:07] <ddaa> cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/python rlog python/dist/src/Lib/test/test_mailbox.py [08:07] <kiko> yes jblack [08:08] <kiko> jblack, but the roadmap, while an excellent idea, is missing the launchpad side of things AFAICT [08:08] <jblack> That's what I was hoping to talk about. I'd love to get you into a datadump mode, and do beautiful things to that. [08:08] <jblack> kiko: Yeah. Exactly. Thats why I'm chasing you, and stevea when he gets back. :) [08:09] <ddaa> Keybuk: I think I have figured it out. Revision 1.1.2.1 contains the log of two other revisions, verbatim, you can tell from the revision numbers. [08:09] <Keybuk> yeah, was about to say just that [08:09] <Keybuk> I count 14 revisions, one of which contains the log messages of two others [08:09] <ddaa> I know exactly what I should do to fix it. There's a todo in the code about the issue. [08:10] <ddaa> I do not know _HOW_ I should fix it, though. [08:10] <ddaa> Keybuk: thanks for your help. [08:11] <ddaa> Keybuk: is there any garantee on the ordering of revisions in rlog? [08:11] <jblack> kiko: So, when you get a chance, I'd love to "sit down" with you, and add what you know to this document. :) [08:11] <ddaa> I think that could give a pretty useful heuristic... [08:12] <ddaa> (after all, that's how the human figures it out) [08:14] <jblack> kiko? [08:14] <kiko> jblack, I'm in a meeting, will be with you after [08:14] <jblack> Ok. Cool. [08:21] <ddaa> Mh... actually, what I thought is not going to work. [08:21] <ddaa> Need to get magic. [08:21] <ddaa> Keybuk: I need your suggestions about how we could parse that. [08:23] <Keybuk> I'm not sure I have any useful suggestsions [08:23] <ddaa> Right now, the parser synchronises at "---"... separators. There's an option to ignore one if it's preceded by a blank line (not enabled, the todo is about trying it that way if it fails when not ignoring), but that would not work here because there are two revisions, and the transition between them looks right. [08:24] <ddaa> I'm thinking we might be able to do magic with "this revision number _cannot_ happen here, it must be part of the log message", but I need to know the ordering garantees we can expect. [08:24] <ddaa> making sense? [08:28] <Keybuk> I don't know if there are any [08:30] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] more homepage love (patch-2266: mark.shuttleworth@canonical.com) [08:31] <ddaa> Keybuk: do you know who would know that I could ask? [08:31] <Keybuk> not off-hand [08:35] <Keybuk> afaik, the defacto upstream response to problems parsing rlog like this is "don't" [09:09] <sabdfl> carlos: do we have language packs rocking? [09:12] <mpt> jblack? [09:12] <sabdfl> bradb: how's that bug tracker looking? [09:12] <sabdfl> mpt: how's my new main_template coming along? [09:12] <jblack> mpt: Right here [09:13] <mpt> jblack: baz crashed during a switch. It thinks it's in the TO branch, but all the code (checked by diffing against mainline) is still in FROM state. What to do? [09:13] <mpt> sabdfl: I'll get to it once baz starts cooperating :-) [09:14] <jblack> Best thing to do would be to file a bug, put the tree off to the side until lifeless gets back on Monday, and do a fresh get. [09:15] <mpt> jblack: Is that just "baz get rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0" in-place? [09:16] <jblack> That should do fine for you, yes. [09:16] <mpt> ok, ta [09:16] <jblack> You'll want to give a directory name of course. :) [09:16] <mpt> as in, "." [09:17] <jblack> baz needs to plop it into a subdirectory. [09:17] <jblack> I'd cd .., rename the broken tree out of the way (mv brokendir ~/brokendir-for-lifeless), then baz get rocketfuel@.... olddir [09:17] <mpt> ok, thanks [09:20] <mpt> hmm, that means doing my bugfix again [09:20] <bradb> sabdfl: working on the bugtask assignee widget review finally. response to spiv's review of my implementation of the other half of PresentingLengthsOfTime is awaiting spiv's confirmation to merge tomorrow. MaloneSearchResults implementation depends on it. [09:20] <mpt> nm, it was only 2 lines [09:22] <bradb> sabdfl: there also remains: finishing up the menus, distrorelease CVE report, changing the URLs (again), turning +bugs on distro in a triage page, changing the distro release +bugs page into something else, and probably other things. [09:23] <sabdfl> source pacakge bugs list? [09:23] <kiko> landed! [09:23] <bradb> i landed that a few days ago [09:23] <sabdfl> cool [09:24] <bradb> just need to add a couple more portlets (but i confirmed with kiko that it was okay to first check it in a bit minimal on portlets, to keep the size of the diff smaller) [09:24] <bradb> i landed distro release targeting a few days ago too, which is a huge usability improvement, IMHO [09:24] <sabdfl> ok [09:24] <sabdfl> dudes, check out the NEW HOME PAGE! [09:25] <sabdfl> kiko: as soon as we get sane karma cacheing, we get a list of top hax0rs on the home page too [09:26] <bradb> sabdfl: nice improvements on the homepage [09:26] <mpt> cprov: I'm working on ABUI now ... Is a speedy-index something a human will enter manually? [09:26] <bradb> easier to jump right in [09:27] <cprov> mpt: yes, it will be. It should be something sane from which we can calculate ETA in the future [09:27] <mpt> cprov: Can you give an example? I've still got no idea what it is [09:28] <sabdfl> ABUI? [09:28] <bradb> BjornT_: I often have a problem creating page tests for pages that involve saving a change on the task page, which then redirects to the bug page. After I'm redirected to the bug page and hit Ctrl-C to stop recording, I get things like: [09:28] <bradb> File "/home/bradb/launchpad/lib/zope/app/tests/dochttp.py", line 97, in dochttp [09:28] <bradb> any idea why? [09:28] <bradb> assert (request and response) or not (request or response) [09:28] <bradb> AssertionError [09:28] <cprov> sabdfl: AutoBuildUserInterface spec [09:28] <mpt> sabdfl: AutoBuildUserInterface spec (while waiting for baz) [09:30] <cprov> mpt: I'm not sure yet, something from 0 til 10 should be enough to represent the performance scale, don't you think [09:30] <mpt> cprov: I don't know, what do you mean by "performance scale"? [09:31] <sabdfl> don't sweat this minor stuff guys, get the basics in place [09:31] <sabdfl> use a number, if theres a number in the db [09:31] <sabdfl> just get it up [09:31] <sabdfl> polish can come later [09:31] <sabdfl> mpt: spend less time perfecting on paper [09:31] <cprov> mpt: how fast a machine can build a "default" job [09:31] <sabdfl> get the data represented natively [09:31] <mpt> cprov's already implementing it, sabdfl [09:31] <sabdfl> fine [09:31] <cprov> sabdfl: indeed [09:32] <mpt> I just want to know what the field means, coz I had no clue [09:32] <sabdfl> ok [09:32] <mpt> I thought it was something for searching [09:33] <BjornT_> bradb: look in page-test.something directory. in there are a bunch of foo.response and foo.request. but for some foo:s a response is probably missing [09:34] <bradb> hm [09:34] <bradb> that sounds like a lot of effort [09:35] <BjornT_> bradb: if you remove the foo.request with the missing foo.response you can run lib/zope/app/tests/dochttp.py page-test.something > page-test.txt [09:35] <BjornT_> bradb: yes, it should just work. [09:37] <BjornT_> bradb: what does the foo.request file contain? [09:40] <bradb> BjornT_: [09:40] <bradb> File "/home/bradb/launchpad-two/lib/zope/app/tests/dochttp.py", line 97, in dochttp [09:40] <bradb> assert (request and response) or not (request or response) [09:40] <bradb> AssertionError [09:40] <bradb> bradb@oxygen:~/launchpad-two $ ls /tmp/page-test.-qogHJ/ [09:40] <bradb> watch0001.request watch0001.response watch0002.request watch0002.response [09:41] <bradb> both .request files look like normal requests to me [09:42] <BjornT_> hmm, strange.... is any of the .response empty? [09:42] <bradb> no [09:43] <bradb> bradb@oxygen:~/launchpad-two $ python lib/zope/app/tests/dochttp.py /tmp/page-test.-qogHJ/ > xx-bugtask-assignee-widget.txt [09:43] <bradb> Traceback (most recent call last): [09:43] <bradb> File "lib/zope/app/tests/dochttp.py", line 197, in ? [09:43] <bradb> main() [09:43] <bradb> File "lib/zope/app/tests/dochttp.py", line 97, in dochttp [09:43] <bradb> assert (request and response) or not (request or response) [09:43] <bradb> AssertionError [09:44] <bradb> i'll debug it [09:46] <bradb> hm, response is None [09:48] <BjornT_> what's request.path? [09:49] <bradb> (Pdb) request.path [09:49] <bradb> '/++resource++treeExpanded.gif' [09:49] <bradb> one of the request files has two GETs in it. not sure if that matters. [09:50] <bradb> i.e. watch0002.request [09:50] <bradb> the corresponding .response has only one HTTP/1.1 200 Ok [09:51] <bradb> i'll try cutting on the second GET [09:52] <bradb> darn, that appears to have worked [09:57] <mpt> When (as instructed on RocketFuelSetup) I enter "baz build-config configs/canonical.com/launchpad/development" I get "arch_pfs_fs_connect: failed to get the dir for configs/canonical.com/launchpad/". Should that be "baz build-config configs/default/launchpad.conf" instead? [10:03] <mpt> hmm, no, that doesn't work either [10:05] <mpt> ah, I see what I did wrong [10:10] <sabdfl> mpt: i really want the main_template we described in brazil to land with the next production update [10:10] <sabdfl> is that feasible? [10:14] <mpt> ... [11:15] <ddaa> Keybuk: actually, I think I found a way to make rlog parsing reliable. I need to talk about it with lifeless, but I think that's the way to go. But it's going to be a lot of work to set up. [11:15] <bradb> BjornT_: I've got another take on the BugTaskAssigneeWidget on its way shortly... [11:18] <bradb> BjornT_: btw, IInputWidget.applyChanges appears to have an undocumented requirement to return True or False. [11:37] <jblack> You're still in brazil? [11:38] <mpt> yup [11:50] <bradb> BjornT_: I followed up to your review of the bugtask assignee widget. Do you have time to take a look? [11:54] <ddaa> mpt: I suggest you use rsync instead of archive-mirror [11:54] <ddaa> that should alleviate some of the pain [11:55] <mpt> ddaa: I'm in the middle of build-config [11:55] <mpt> actually, probably nearly finished it [11:57] <mpt> done 12 out of the 14 LP trees [12:00] <bradb> yeah, but isn't it an elegant design? [12:00] <jblack> I usually grab a mirror of everything I could want before I go. [12:01] <mpt> ddaa: ok, let's try that rsync method [12:01] <ddaa> 14 trees?? [12:01] <mpt> gnarly, pybaz, hct, pytz, pygettextpo, etc [12:01] <jblack> mpt: Are you sitting near kiko, by any chance? [12:02] <mpt> jblack: he's in earshot [12:02] <ddaa> mpt: have a look at the rocketsync script [12:02] <jblack> would you mind asking him if he's going to make the meeting he and I planned a couple hours ago for an hour ago? :) [12:03] <mpt> ddaa: I currently have all my stuff in launchpad/launchpad [12:03] <mpt> ddaa: If I could just work out how to make that launchpad, I'd probably have a working tree [12:03] <ddaa> mpt: I do not understand. Maybe I lack context. [12:04] <jblack> ddaa: I think he means that he's got a wedged tree (switch broke on him) and he needs to make it something useful [12:05] <mpt> ddaa: Context: After following the RocketFuelSetup instructions, ~/ubuntu/launchpad/launchpad/{configs,Makefile,{arch},etc} and ~/ubuntu/launchpad/{configs,Makefile,{arch},etc}both exist. [12:06] <mpt> (the launchpad/launchpad/ one is the one containing all the code. [12:06] <jblack> hey! [12:06] <jblack> check .arch-cache. that should be close to a partial archive [12:06] <ddaa> mpt: do you realize that one of those is actually the "dists" [12:07] <mpt> oh crapitude [12:07] <jblack> also, if you have a revision library, you have working trees that you can cp out. [12:07] <ddaa> maybe some dope told to do something like "baz get rocketfuel@canonical.com/dists--devel--0 launchpad" but it's just utterly confusing. [12:07] <mpt> dists is supposed to be in ~/ubuntu/ [12:07] <ddaa> ??? [12:07] <ddaa> what does that have to do with ubuntu? [12:07] <ddaa> whatever... it's just names [12:08] <mpt> yes [12:08] <ddaa> so, I'm positive [12:08] <ddaa> nah [12:09] <ddaa> dists/configs and launchpad/configs... how confusing :( [12:09] <mpt> ~/ubuntu/launchpad is a direct result of RocketFuelSetup [12:09] <mpt> "mkdir ~/ubuntu; cd ~/ubuntu;" etc [12:10] <mpt> ah, I see what I did wrong [12:10] <mpt> I did the dists get from inside launchpad/ instead of inside ubuntu/ [12:11] <ddaa> well, you're not supposed to have a launchpad/ dir before checking out dists

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.497125

2005-08-22-#kubuntu

[12:05] <nikkia> mike1_: hmmm, check the mixer levels in alsamixer then [12:05] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm gonna go play some atlantiK. Later [12:05] <Aapzak> Rogue_Jedi_X: enjoy! [12:06] <CellarDoor> ah what should I apt if I wan't to reinstall kde 3.4.2 ? [12:06] <CellarDoor> oh [12:06] <CellarDoor> uh [12:06] <Aapzak> CellarDoor: why reinstall? [12:07] <CellarDoor> cause its stuffed [12:07] <Mustafa^^> Is there any Turkish boy here [12:07] <Aapzak> you? :) [12:07] <Mustafa^^> :) [12:07] <Mustafa^^> another [12:07] <Aapzak> I'm not [12:08] <Mustafa^^> I think you are French :D [12:08] <mike1_> alsamixer good [12:08] <Aapzak> I'm Dutch [12:08] <mike1_> btw worked fine with ubuntu [12:08] <Mustafa^^> Ok. Aapzak [12:08] <mike1_> i upgraded today [12:08] <CellarDoor> bbl [12:09] <Aapzak> poor CellarDoor [12:09] <mike1_> how about sudo killall arts? [12:10] <Mustafa^^> I love kubuntu :)) [12:10] <Aapzak> why mike, you you get a device busy error? [12:10] <Mustafa^^> Turk yok mu yaw :)) [12:10] <mike1_> yes [12:11] <Aapzak> you're coming from Ubuntu? [12:11] <mike1_> audacity says sound device busy [12:11] <Aapzak> check if esd is running [12:11] <mike1_> how about sudo killall arts.tried it arts: no process killed [12:11] <nikkia> mike1_: as i said, you're suffering from locked sound [12:11] <nikkia> mike1_: try this: artsshell -q terminate [12:12] <Aapzak> it could be mike is still running an esd (from gnome) [12:12] <nikkia> Aapzak: its possible, but IMO unlikely if he got the KDE drums [12:12] <Aapzak> true [12:13] <Aapzak> you can turn it off from kcontrol [12:13] <Aapzak> ?? [12:13] <nikkia> Aapzak: easier to use artsshell :) [12:13] <mike1_> no [12:13] <mike1_> sound server is down aplay still does not work [12:14] <kay> Hm... I had to tell Mustafa^^ to use APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated "yes"; [12:14] <mike1_> artsplay no server active [12:14] <Aapzak> mike, you have lsof? [12:14] <kay> Otherwise he could not install the source, anyone an idea of this may be broken? [12:14] <nikkia> Aapzak: he should, its a core program in [k] ubuntu [12:14] <Aapzak> lsof /dev/dsp [12:14] <mike1_> yes [12:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Well, this is boring. No players [12:14] <mike1_> lsof /dev/dsp [12:15] <Aapzak> nothing? [12:15] <mike1_> esd pid# 5w CHR 14,3 PID# /dev/dsp [12:15] <Aapzak> there it is [12:15] <nikkia> evil gnome! [12:15] <Aapzak> kill esd [12:16] <Aapzak> very evil [12:16] <nikkia> that said, arts is evil too [12:16] <nikkia> jack is the one true way! [12:16] <Aapzak> I'm lucky with onboard sound with hardware mixing [12:16] <Aapzak> I run arts and still can use OSS/Alsa [12:17] <movi> Aapzak : because youre using a card which has hardawre mixing for more than 2 streams [12:17] <Aapzak> yes, and it's perfect, 4 streams [12:17] <movi> I have a Audigy, and have 64 streams :) [12:17] <Aapzak> more perfect ;) [12:18] <movi> earlier had the Live! and had 32 [12:18] <movi> never used more than 10 anyway [12:18] <Aapzak> those are good as well I believe? 4 is more than enough [12:18] <movi> and not at the same time [12:18] <mike1_> how to killesd [12:18] <mike1_> it keeps comming back [12:18] <movi> mikel: sudo killall esd [12:18] <mike1_> sudo kill PID# [12:18] <movi> and then set your Gnome not to launch it [12:19] <US_A_EOD> Is there a way to keep windows (and their associated taskbar entries) to one virtual desktop? (As in, when switching desktops the taskbar clears). [12:19] <Aapzak> is esd a system service in Ubuntu? [12:19] <Aapzak> US_A_EOD: dunno [12:19] <movi> Aapzak : nope, unless you install Gnome [12:19] <mike1_> how to set gnome not to launch? esd [12:19] <hippie23> hello [12:19] <Aapzak> Gnome is standard in Ubuntu [12:20] <movi> Aapzak : but were in #kubuntu ;) [12:20] <Aapzak> :) [12:20] <movi> KDE is standard there [12:20] <US_A_EOD> lol movi [12:20] <Aapzak> I know, mike upgraded from Ubuntu, as did I [12:20] <nikkia> Aapzak: jack is STILL a better solution [12:20] <nikkia> wtf?!? [12:20] <nikkia> why on earth has my bank changed their banner to a picture of a balloon with a happy face drawn on and wearing a wig?! [12:20] <hippie23> is it possible to install ubuntu over the net?...I have no cd burner [12:20] <movi> Kubuntu != Ubuntu + KDE [12:21] <nikkia> hippie23: yes, but its terribly hacky :) [12:21] <mike1_> yeah I have what looks like a gnome desktop says during startup that it is bypassing standard gnome and the starts kde on a blue background then changes back to brown [12:21] <Aapzak> movi: is was unaware of that, I followed instructions on kubuntu.org [12:22] <movi> Aapzak : still, run your gnome desktop, go to the sound preferences, and put-out the checkbox for Sound System [12:22] <Aapzak> movi: mike is the one in trouble, I never run Gnome :) [12:23] <hippie23> can I mount the iso on my HDD and install from there? [12:23] <nikkia> hippie23: not that i know of [12:23] <Aapzak> hippie23: unlikely [12:23] <hippie23> daen! [12:24] <mike1_> how to start arts? [12:24] <Aapzak> technically it could be done, but it's not engineered like that [12:24] <movi> Aapzak : im listening to a podcast at the same time, and i suck at multitasking :) [12:24] <nikkia> mike1_: kcontrol [12:24] <kay> I have a question [12:24] <hippie23> I hate being poor... I cant even afford a cheap cd burner [12:24] <Aapzak> K -> control center -> sound & MM -> sound sys -> enable sound system [12:25] <kay> FreeNX... I think I installed the server [12:25] <kay> But, what viewer do I have on Ubuntu? [12:26] <hippie23> this rh 7.3 is a pain in the arse [12:26] <confrey> hi folk [12:26] <Aapzak> hippie23: it sure is :) [12:27] <Aapzak> kay: dunno [12:27] <hippie23> at least it dont crash [12:27] <Aapzak> :) [12:28] <hippie23> its a pain, but not a total bitch like winblows! [12:28] <mike1_> still have sound on kcontrol but nothing else working [12:28] <Aapzak> mike1_: what apps are not working? [12:28] <kay> ok, night guys and gals :) [12:28] <Aapzak> bye kay [12:29] <mike1_> sorry audacity works [12:29] <Aapzak> nice [12:30] <mike1_> xmms works [12:30] <Aapzak> gtg too boys and girls, up early in the morning [12:30] <Aapzak> mike1_: it works! [12:30] <nikkia> night Aapzak [12:30] <mike1_> artsplay too [12:30] <Aapzak> tnx [12:30] <Aapzak> good [12:30] <Aapzak> mike1_: you're done, enjoy [12:30] <Aapzak> bye! [12:31] <c0rrupt_> xmms > * [12:31] <mike1_> well than the proceedure is to run sudo killall esd and start arts with kcontrol? [12:31] <tenco> kde-i18n-de has some problems [12:31] <tenco> with "forward" buttons are named "backwards" [12:35] <tenco> has kubuntu multiverse packages? [12:37] <confrey> is there an applet for viewing the cpu's frequency, like in gnome? [12:38] <mike1_> where are the startup scripts in Kubuntu? [12:38] <redguy> tenco: ubuntu is kubuntu only with kubuntu-desktop instead of ubuntu desktop. the repos are the same... [12:39] <amgat> hi all. I've configured my PCMCIA card with ndiswrapper, but i'm not not able so save my config. When I reboot, i have to configure it all over again. [12:43] <tenco> redguy: thanks [12:44] <redguy> tenco: np [12:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I be vack [12:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> And I brought tyos [12:45] <hippie23> does ubuntu come with alsa? [12:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> *typos [12:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> hippie23: Yup [12:46] <hippie23> good... im dl'ing it rite now, and dont want to screw with alsa [12:46] <hippie23> I cant get alsa to work this outdated old linux im using now [12:47] <hippie23> aRts sux, teamspeak doesnt work with it [12:51] <confrey> is there an applet for viewing the cpu's frequency, like in gnome? [12:51] <mcquaid> hello i just upgraded to 3.4.2 and after a reboot kde no longer starts [12:51] <mcquaid> it just kicks me back to kdm [12:52] <mcquaid> i don't see any thing in .xsession-errors or dmesg [12:53] <mcquaid> and i can't see how it's related but alt ctrl and shift have stopped working [12:53] <brk3> just wondering has anyone compiled packages of amarok 1.3 yet? [12:53] <mcquaid> kinda strange stuff [12:58] <brk3> crimsun: any progress..? [01:00] <tenco> how can i update the kde-menu? [01:00] <brk3> tenco: right click a menu item and->edit item [01:02] <brk3> tenco: that what your looking for? [01:09] <CellarDoor> woohoo ! [01:09] <CellarDoor> KDE is back in action :D [01:13] <brk3> just wondering has anyone compiled packages of amarok 1.3 yet? [01:16] <tenco> brk3: auto-add of newly installed kde-apps [01:16] <tenco> brk3: kmail e.g. wasnt added to the menu [01:16] <brk3> tenco: nothing really you can do about that.. some apps add themselves, some dont [01:17] <tenco> brk3: but its a kde app [01:18] <brk3> kmail probably should have [01:21] <CellarDoor> "I will not be distracted by meaningless ... Ooh!! A shiny object" [01:21] <nikkia> tenco: try running kappfinder [01:23] <tenco> nikkia: thanks [01:23] <mike22> nikkia: found out restarting X that the setting box down oon the left of the screen was set to default{ which happened to be gnome} changed it to kde and now everything work beautifully no sonund lock-ups [01:24] <tenco> nikkia: sorry, doesnt work [01:24] <mike22> thanks again [01:25] <nikkia> tenco, 'doesn't work' is rather vague, what doesn't work? it can't find the program? it runs but doesn't list kmail? [01:26] <tenco> nikkia: i runs but doesnt list any kde apps, yes [01:49] <c0rrupt_> does nessus have a channel anywhere? [01:55] <c0rrupt_> [01:55] <c0rrupt_> [01:55] <c0rrupt_> [01:55] <c0rrupt_> [01:55] <_pax> An unidentified software virus was being blamed for computer system outages on Tuesday at ABC News, CNN and the New York Times, as computer security companies tried to pin down the cause of the disruption. [01:55] <_pax> That's what you get for using MS products. [01:55] <c0rrupt_> ?? [01:55] <kinfo> what? [01:55] <c0rrupt_> LOL [01:57] <CellarDoor> mmm [02:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Wow [02:06] <ubuntu> kak e [02:07] <mick> hi folks [02:08] <mick> anyone here any good with sound cards, esp el cheapo cmi ones? [02:12] <CellarDoor> ah I'm still using the on board sound on my mobo [02:19] <equex> is there any known exploits for Kview ? [02:20] <equex> because i think i just got owned by opening a .sh file from the net with kwiew and my machine freezed [02:20] <equex> and all the fonts changed [02:25] <CellarDoor> ah what version ? [02:26] <equex> the most recent i assume [02:26] <james> is anyone here having problems with xcompmgr? [02:26] <CellarDoor> ah rite [02:26] <james> it freezes my desktop whenever i use it for more than three seconds in kde [02:27] <mick> neither [02:27] <equex> wtf kview is a image viewer lol [02:27] <equex> thought it was a text viewver [02:28] <CellarDoor> mmm [02:28] <equex> why the hell is an image viewer default for text files [02:28] <equex> >p [02:28] <CellarDoor> it isn't [02:28] <CellarDoor> or shouldn't be [02:28] <CellarDoor> usually Kate is [02:28] <equex> firefox [02:28] <equex> pos [02:29] <equex> well dang [02:29] <equex> more power to them [02:29] <CellarDoor> hehe [02:30] <james> " kate - KDE Advanced Text Editor" [02:30] <james> noobs [02:34] <caller> Hello [02:34] <caller> Anyone here? [02:34] <caller> I could really use help with mondo... [02:34] <mick> no [02:34] <mick> we are all gone home [02:35] <mick> :-P [02:35] <caller> Hey mick :) [02:35] <caller> Have you used mondo? [02:35] <mick> never heard of it sorry [02:35] <mick> my first time [02:35] <mick> what is it? [02:35] <caller> :/ [02:35] <mick> im curiouis now [02:35] <caller> Program that backs up all your files on your pc to a cdrom device [02:35] <mick> now that sounds cool [02:36] <mick> ive been using a scrpt that webmin threw together to throw onto a partiition on my disc here and then once a week a cron script to burn it to cd [02:37] <caller> I see [02:37] <caller> Well my purpose is different [02:37] <mick> of course, im a home user one machine [02:37] <caller> What I need is to burn my entire system to a disk, and duplicate it to a different system. [02:37] <mick> but each to their own [02:37] <mick> ahhh like a free version of norton ghost [02:38] <caller> Eh, not really [02:38] <caller> Norton Ghost requires a server [02:38] <caller> Or a network [02:38] <caller> Which I don't have [02:38] <caller> I just need to burn it to disk, entirely, so without Internet I can duplicate the system [02:38] <mick> but i have the right idea right [02:38] <caller> there are 20 systems, and I really can't set them all up [02:38] <caller> yea I suppose [02:39] <mick> i have never used it so im sorry i cant help you much [02:39] <caller> Ok, thanks anyway [02:39] <mick> what about doing it the easy way with kickstart files? [02:39] <caller> How does that program of yours work though? [02:39] <caller> Eh, Kickstart? [02:39] <mick> its no good for what your doing [02:39] <caller> I see...then what good is it for? [02:39] <mick> i have a 60 gig hd [02:39] <caller> Just backs up files, not the os? [02:39] <mick> correct [02:40] <mick> so i back up daily...automated [02:40] <caller> I see [02:40] <mick> tarball with the date as the file name [02:40] <caller> So uh, what is this about kickstart? [02:40] <mick> of selected directories [02:40] <mick> its like a file that contains what packages you want to install... [02:40] <mick> creates a floppy of that [02:40] <mick> so you can semi automate set up on more than one machine [02:41] <mick> most distros allow it [02:41] <mick> not to sure about ubutu though [02:41] <caller> I see :/ [02:41] <mick> have i muddied the waters yet?? [02:43] <caller> I'm screwed [02:44] <caller> I can't get this set up by tonight [02:44] <caller> it's impossible [03:22] <I_Eat_Plastic> Hmmm, I need some help. How come I can't use make? [03:23] <I_Eat_Plastic> I'm aslo trying to install a program and I keep getting this output error. http://rafb.net/paste/results/rItXN382.html [03:23] <I_Eat_Plastic> I think it's because I'm missing some packages.. [03:24] <skyred> yes u probably need autoconf & automake & build essential i think.... [03:24] <I_Eat_Plastic> How do I get it? [03:26] <skyred> through kynaptic [03:26] <I_Eat_Plastic> What packages, and sources? [03:49] <caller> Hello [03:49] <caller> how can I find out my device ID? [03:50] <caller> :( [03:52] <caller> Please, I need help! [03:54] <skyred> hiyaaaaaaaaaa [03:54] <skyred> i've heard that kaffeine compiled from src can play mp3 & dvds! [03:55] <skyred> caller: whats ur prob? [03:55] <caller> how can I find out my device ID? [03:55] <caller> of my cdrw, that is [03:56] <skyred> hmmm.....sorry i dunno.....try windows hardware browser or kinfo center [03:56] <caller> eh... [03:57] <caller> Ubuntu man [03:57] <caller> lol [03:57] <jesusfish> crimsun: any update on amaroK? [03:57] <skyred> caller: ??? [03:57] <caller> skyred, not windows [03:58] <skyred> i thougth u mught be using windoze......kinfocenter is kde app btw [03:58] <caller> lol [03:58] <caller> skyred, how opened? [03:58] <caller> ah, nvm [04:00] <caller> Can you tell me how to find out my system's cd burner's device ID? Please? [04:04] <pax> SCSI CD burner? [04:04] <caller> pax, yea [04:04] <pax> try sudo cdrecord --scanbus [04:06] <caller> pax, ubuntu disabled that [04:06] <pax> k3b doesn't pick it up? [04:06] <caller> k3b works fine [04:06] <caller> cdrecord doesn't [04:06] <caller> scratch that [04:07] <caller> cdrecord does [04:07] <caller> but cdrecord --scanbus does not work in ubuntu [04:07] <caller> I need to find out my device id. [04:11] <caller> hippie18, do you know how I can figure out my cdrw device number [04:13] <flugh> anyone have a link or advice on importing my pile of email in thunderbird to kmail? [04:15] <I_Eat_Plastic> How do I get makeinfo? [04:15] <malv> is konqueror a bit krashy or is it just me? [04:16] <I_Eat_Plastic> Sometimes, [04:16] <malv> any solution? [04:16] <I_Eat_Plastic> Firefox [04:16] <I_Eat_Plastic> :P [04:17] <caller> Firefox also crashes a lot [04:18] <caller> less so the windblows version [04:18] <flugh> malv: i don't like konqueror. cant even hit the configuration stuff for my dsl modem with it [04:19] <malv> yea, I have similar issues [04:19] <sn0n> there ya go ;-) [04:19] <sn0n> g'day [04:19] <PHZN`Away> Hey, how do I set custom icons on KDE? [04:19] <malv> I like using apps in the kde environment, but konqueror is just bleh [04:54] <supernix> Hiya gang [04:54] <supernix> SUP [04:54] <supernix> BOLO for the worm going around so far it is hitting just about all windows boxes [04:58] <pax> old news :c~ [05:01] <supernix> I have had constant hits on port 1026,1027,1028 and a few others [05:02] <supernix> I have a file and I was curious if someone could tell me exactly what it does it is a shell script best I can tell it finds and mounts drives when you run it [05:05] <I_Eat_Plastic> I keep getting this error message when running a configure file. I can't run make either. [05:05] <I_Eat_Plastic> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables [05:07] <pax> supernix: I always had hits on those ports, something to do with msn messenger I think [05:14] <supernix> pax: definately right [05:15] <supernix> I looked it up and found out that it is that spam to the MS messenger service [05:15] <supernix> It was supposed to be a system so that an admin could send a message to others on the network to update them on status but spammers started using it to sell spam blocker software [05:18] <pax> supernix: it was too much, I had the firewall set to skip logging 1026 and 1027 entries [05:18] <supernix> LOL me to [05:19] <supernix> I noticed that and said well might as well stop recording that crap since it is useless [05:24] <sproingie> there are still messenger popup spammers? [05:24] <sproingie> i thought anyone with a pulse and a brain had it disabled or firewalled by now [05:25] <sproingie> i suppose that still leaves the target market for spammers [05:26] <I_Eat_Plastic> How can I get makeinfo? [05:26] <supernix> there are still people buying computers right now that still are so irresponcible that they are actually running them on the net without a virus scanner or a firewall ( windows of course ) [05:27] <crimsun> jesusfish: hope to have some posted in a few hours. Debugging a kcfg issue. [05:27] <sproingie> it's not like they're taught anything about such responsibility [05:27] <sproingie> my mom's not an irresponsible idiot, she just doesn't know [05:27] <sproingie> she knows *now* ... not when she first got online tho [05:29] <supernix> I have a cousin that I explained all thist stuff to and he still runs without the virus scanner or firewall and I am sure he does not update the pc that often either [05:30] <sproingie> there's of course deliberately obstinate and dumb, tho often it's just because they don't quite get the certainty of the fact that they'll get pwn3d [05:32] <sproingie> people gotta learn it isn't 1995 anymore, you can't go months or years without getting an unsecured box cracked [05:33] <sproingie> more like 20 seconds. 24 hours if you're lucky [05:34] <PHZN`Away> I can imagine what security will be like 10 years from now. [05:34] <PHZN`Away> People will have new techniques and boxes will be cracked on a daily basis. [05:34] <supernix> guys is there a program that I can get and run that will automount my ntfs ? [05:34] <supernix> I have a sata and it just does not want to mount at boot time [05:35] <supernix> thank god I did not install my OS on the SATA although windows never has an issue with that Linux does [05:38] <sproingie> badly admined boxes do get cracked on a daily basis [05:38] <sproingie> i hope 10 years from now we're not talking about buffer overruns anymore [05:38] <sproingie> but i suspect we will [05:44] <pax> supernix: tried seveas's script? [05:44] <supernix> nah not sure what that is [05:45] <supernix> what is it? [05:45] <pax> supernix: http://ninux.net/files/winmac_fstab [05:45] <supernix> ah I have that very script [05:46] <pax> no go? [05:46] <supernix> I have run it as sudo but it does not alter fstab at all for some reason [05:46] <pax> did you try chmod a+x it [05:47] <supernix> hmmm I just did chmod +x that is all [05:47] <pax> weird [05:48] <pax> sudo bash winmac_fstab and all eh? [05:49] <supernix> yep [05:49] <supernix> just tried that and nothing [05:49] <supernix> could it be that I already have a mount point in fstab that has been commented out ? [05:49] <pax> about? [05:50] <pax> an entry of what? [05:50] <supernix> #/dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ntfs defaults,umask=0222 0 0 [05:50] <supernix> as you can see it is commented out though [05:51] <pax> I don't think so [05:51] <supernix> when I boot I always get the message that there is no device sda1 to mount [05:51] <pax> sda1 exists? [05:52] <supernix> I have a sata drive installed yes [05:55] <pax> supernix: what's your uid? [05:55] <supernix> hmmm I guess 100 [05:55] <pax> 1000 you mean? [05:56] <pax> try this: /dev/sda1 /mnt/window ntfs ro,user,fmask=0133,dmask=0022,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 [05:56] <supernix> yeah I guess [05:58] <supernix> pax will that make it mount at boot time ? [05:58] <pax> should [05:58] <supernix> great [05:58] <supernix> Not sure what all that dmaks fmask and so on and such is about though [05:58] <pax> ..I hope hehe [05:59] <pax> permissions [06:01] <pax> supernix: can you browse windoz now? [06:03] <supernix> mount: mount point /mnt/windows does not exist is the message i keep getting [06:03] <pax> gotta create it then [06:04] <supernix> it is already there [06:05] <pax> can do just mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows [06:14] <supernix> I had a mount already in my fstab that would work to make it read only and mountable only by root [06:14] <supernix> but I always had to wait till after the reboot and then do a mount -a to make it mount the drive [06:16] <pax> so, no go with that fstab line, huh? [06:16] <supernix> nah actually the one I have already works for all intents and purposes [06:17] <supernix> but it does not mount the device at boot time [06:17] <supernix> I always have to run mount -a after the boot [06:20] <pax> it should mount at boot since you dont have 'noauto' there [06:21] <supernix> I don't get it [06:21] <supernix> I uncommented that line I had before and of course commented hte line you gave me then run the mount -a and it mounted the drive [06:22] <supernix> crazy thing is my /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows and yours were the same as best I could tell [06:23] <pax> replace /mnt/windows with /media/0 [06:23] <pax> not that it makes any difference but that's ubuntu way [06:23] <pax> then browse /media/ with konqueror [06:24] <pax> check if it's mounted [06:24] <supernix> ok so you mean that will make it see it at boot time ? [06:24] <pax> I mean media:/ [06:25] <pax> it should, I mean it works for me [06:29] <static> i've just installed kubuntu. is there a package that i can install with kyanptic or apt-get to make gnome apps look like kde apps? [06:34] <crimsun> sudo aptitude install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt [06:34] <crimsun> you can then configure it using the control center settings [06:35] <supernix> pax I think we have pay dirt [06:35] <supernix> the drive just mounted fine [06:35] <pax> hehe good :) [06:36] <supernix> actually all I did was retype the /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows part of the command then after I did that and did mount -a again it worked [06:36] <supernix> as crazy as it sounds it works [06:49] <static> synaptic doesn't find that package. do you think i need to add a line to /etc/aps/sources.list? perhaps the ubuntu repository doesn't have the package? [06:50] <static> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "gtk2-engine-gtk-qt" [06:50] <static> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "gtk2-engines-gtk-qt" [06:50] <crimsun> static: do you have the universe repository enabled? [06:51] <static> all lines in /etc/apt/sources.list with "universe" in them are commented out. should i uncomment one? [06:52] <crimsun> you should uncomment at least the deb ... universe one [07:01] <static> woohoo! got it. had to also do a "synaptic update" to make it read the list of packages. [07:01] <static> thanks for helping! [07:02] <static> works great. [07:02] <crimsun> excellent. [07:06] <_frank> static: try synaptic it's much better than kynaptic [07:37] <hater2win> how would i go about installing my printer in linux? [07:42] <dell500> how do i get my dvd to not stutter when playing the dvd on kaffiene [07:42] <_frank> dell500: enable dma on the dvdrom [07:42] <_frank> !dma [07:43] <_frank> !tell dell500 about dma [07:44] <dell500> should i stop the dvd and start it over where i was [07:45] <dell500> to not damage anything [07:47] <_frank> dell500: ok [07:48] <dell500> ok, well i enabled dma [07:48] <dell500> but now when i do mount /dev/dvd it says that hdc is already mounted to cdrom0 [07:50] <_frank> do you have 2 cdroms? [07:52] <dell500> nope [07:52] <dell500> should i have done hdparm on the /dev/dvd instead ... [07:53] <_frank> you should do it on /dev/hdc [07:53] <_frank> well most likely hdc [07:53] <dell500> ok, well why does kaffiene say that i don't have permission or hdc isn't available [07:53] <_frank> you have the dvd in the drive? [07:54] <dell500> yup [07:54] <_frank> try sudo umount /dev/hdc [07:55] <dell500> then remount /dev/dvd or /dev/hdc?? [07:55] <_frank> you don't mount a dvd [07:55] <dell500> aha [07:55] <_frank> just try to open kaffeine [07:56] <dell500> sweet [07:56] <dell500> that worked [07:56] <_frank> ok [07:56] <_frank> great [07:56] <dell500> so it should be smooth and not jerky.... [07:56] <dell500> i hope [07:56] <_frank> yeah [07:56] <_frank> did you make the setting permanent by editing /etc/hdparm.conf? [07:56] <dell500> ya [07:57] <dell500> thanks again [07:57] <_frank> no problem [07:58] <dell500> another question..... i just got cable from another provider, it seems to go on standby a lot, this never use to happen on charter (new service is mediacom) [07:59] <_frank> what goes on standby? [08:00] <dell500> the modem [08:00] <dell500> then it just kinda cuts me off the net and i have to unplug the modem for about 2 minutes [08:01] <dell500> not sure what's up with it [08:01] <_frank> I don't know but the problem is probably with the modem or ISP rather than with you [08:01] <dell500> ya, that's what i thought :) [08:03] <dell500> anyway, time for bed [08:03] <dell500> thanks again [08:07] <hater2win> how do i install my printer? [08:07] <hater2win> anybody? i have to print stuff for school =( [08:14] <Tribune> anybody can teach me how to set monitor resolution? now my monitor detect 640 but i need 1024 resolution [08:15] <_frank> !resolution [08:15] <ubotu> it has been said that resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto [10:30] <hussam> lol CNN windows 2000 computers got owned. http://www.flexbeta.net/main/comments.php?catid=11&id=14346 [10:30] <hussam> by a virus [10:51] <Mustafa^^> Hello! [10:51] <Mustafa^^> I upgraded KDE 3.4.0 to 3.4.2, but amaroK doesn't working! [10:52] <Mustafa^^> amaroK: [Loader] Starting amarokapp.. [10:52] <Mustafa^^> amaroK: [Loader] Don't run gdb, valgrind, etc. against this binary! Use amarokap p. [10:52] <Mustafa^^> /usr/lib/amarok/amarokapp: error while loading shared libraries: libmysqlclient. so.14: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [10:52] <Mustafa^^> says [10:52] <Mustafa^^> what can I do? [10:55] <nikkia> Mustafa^^: it looks like the version of amarok you're using was built against a different version of mysql [10:55] <nikkia> Mustafa^^: you'll need to check if either mysql or amarok is 'out of date' and update accordingly, though, to be honest, the dependancy system SHOULD have caught that [10:57] <Mustafa^^> ok thanx [11:16] <libanes> hola [11:16] <libanes> alguien por aca [11:24] <Wizzard> hi, how can I close the open ports on my machine? [11:26] <nikkia> Wizzard: either stop the services that are listening on them, if you don't need them, or by manipulating the iptables firewall [11:26] <Chameleon22> Wizzard, first as root user from console run "netstat -auntp" this will show what processes are responsible for what ports so you can disable then [11:26] <nikkia> there are GUI tools to write iptables rules, or you can do them by hand (more flexible, but far more complicated) [11:26] <Wizzard> I want to close 8080 for example, but I do not know how [11:26] <Wizzard> it is some http-proxy service [11:26] <nikkia> Wizzard: hmmm, 8080 is probably squid [11:27] <nikkia> Wizzard: do this, sudo /etc/init.d/squid stop [11:27] <nikkia> then check if 8080 is still open [11:27] <Chameleon22> Wizzard, when you say close do you mean disable or make invisible from outside and still run on LAN? [11:27] <nikkia> if its not, then you probably also want to remove the symbolic link in /etc/rc3.d that points to squid [11:27] <Wizzard> hm, I do not have squid [11:28] <Wizzard> I do not want any webserver running [11:28] <nikkia> Wizzard: then i'd suggest removing apache from the package list [11:28] <Chameleon22> Wizzard, dont listen to nikkita [11:28] <Wizzard> I do not have apache either :D [11:28] <nikkia> Wizzard: unless you did something odd, yes you do [11:28] <Chameleon22> Wizzard, run this command and paste output here "netstat -auntp | grep 8080" [11:29] <Chameleon22> nikkia, stop suggestion half assed things that involve uninstalling stuff! [11:29] <Wizzard> tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8080 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 6798/middleman [11:29] <nikkia> Chameleon22: if he doesn't want a web server running, having apache installed is a waste [11:29] <Chameleon22> Wizzard, ok now do you know what middleman is? [11:29] <Wizzard> nope :D [11:30] <Chameleon22> Wizzard, try this "/etc/init.d/middleman stop" [11:30] <Wizzard> I think I uninstall it [11:30] <Chameleon22> then tell me the output of that comand i gave you before [11:30] <Wizzard> now it is free [11:30] <matthew> hmm i followed the instructions on ubuntuguide.org to install java, but apparently no such package exists? [11:31] <Wizzard> yes, it was middleman [11:31] <Wizzard> thx much :D [11:31] <Chameleon22> matthew, download from java.sun.com [11:31] <matthew> thanks [11:31] <Chameleon22> Wizzard, ok now you need to disable it so it doesnt start at boot [11:31] <Wizzard> I removed it :D [11:31] <Chameleon22> you do this by #1 [11:31] <Chameleon22> you removed it? [11:32] <Wizzard> yep, I do not want to have some trash [11:32] <Chameleon22> so you did dpkg --purge or something [11:32] <Chameleon22> ? [11:32] <Wizzard> apt-get remove middleman [11:32] <Wizzard> it was some proxy server [11:32] <_Mose_> hey, i've got an error (when typed make) containing info smth about "virtual outside class declaration" and "parse error before...". what to do ? can someone help? [11:32] <Chameleon22> Wizzard, ok cool, if middleman has conf files it leaves them behind you should use "dpkg --purge pkg_name" [11:33] <Chameleon22> unless you want to keep confs (i do but backed up ;) [11:33] <Wizzard> hm, good idea, I will try [11:33] <nikkia> wizzard, i'm a little puzzled as to why it was installed, its not a default package [11:33] <matthew> is it j2se i will want? [11:33] <nikkia> Wizzard: unless you installed it at some point when it seemed like a good idea *shrug* [11:33] <Chameleon22> matthew, correct [11:34] <Chameleon22> matthew, you neeed it for programming or for other apps? [11:35] <matthew> just for apps [11:35] <Wizzard> is there some way to remove the configuration of all removed packages? [11:35] <matthew> im having trouble finding what i need [11:36] <Chameleon22> matthew, what is it that you think you need and WHY [11:36] <Chameleon22> Wizzard, "man apt" and "man dpkg" [11:36] <matthew> the java machine, to run applications such as limewire [11:37] <Chameleon22> matthew, ok,there is a smaller pkg but i dont know so download latest linux version of j2se from sun site and ill walk you through install [11:37] <matthew> ok thanks [11:38] <matthew> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp i found that, but it seems development orientated? [11:39] <Chameleon22> thats fine download it [11:39] <matthew> ok:) [11:40] <matthew> 120mb? [11:40] <PieD> matthew: ... [11:40] <PieD> what do you need ? [11:40] <PieD> developer kit ? [11:40] <PieD> runtime only ? [11:40] <matthew> just the ability to run java apps, no dev stuff [11:40] <matthew> yes [11:40] <Chameleon22> PieD, he only need runtime [11:40] <PieD> then download the JRE [11:41] <PieD> not JDK nor bundle netbeans + JDK [11:41] <Chameleon22> matthew, listen to PieD thats the pkg i couldnt remember :) [11:41] <PieD> Chameleon22: I'm quite used to the java related questions :p [11:41] <Chameleon22> PieD, me to but from dev side of things hehehe [11:41] <matthew> i think ive got it, its 15mb [11:41] <matthew> bin file [11:42] <PieD> Chameleon22: for me that's both :/ [11:42] <PieD> matthew: yes [11:42] <Chameleon22> matthew, you will also need to add path to your profile [11:42] <PieD> (don't download the rpm !) [11:42] <matthew> ok thanks [11:42] <matthew> i havent! [11:42] <Chameleon22> ok me go code [11:42] <Chameleon22> bye bye [11:42] <matthew> then sudo /.(bin file)? [11:42] <PieD> matthew: you _will_ [11:42] <PieD> sudo ./(bin file) [11:42] <PieD> but that may fail [11:42] <matthew> ok thanks [11:42] <PieD> because it's not executable by default [11:43] <matthew> how to givve permissions? [11:43] <PieD> you'll have to mark it as executable [11:43] <PieD> chmod +x (bin file) [11:43] <matthew> thanks [11:43] <Chameleon22> err better yet "chmod 755 FILE" [11:43] <PieD> (x like eXecute, r like Read, w like Write : the rwxrwxrwx combination :) [11:43] <Chameleon22> letters are for sissys! [11:43] <Chameleon22> octals!!! [11:43] <matthew> lol [11:44] <PieD> Chameleon22: there may be beginners here [11:44] <Chameleon22> so teach them [11:44] <Chameleon22> thats the whole thing [11:44] <Chameleon22> and octal system is way easier to teach [11:44] <PieD> first learn them how to add and substract in octal :p [11:44] <Chameleon22> not at all [11:44] <matthew> octal base 8? [11:44] <PieD> matthew: yes [11:45] <PieD> octal is base 8 [11:45] <matthew> aaaaaah [11:45] <PieD> I prefer base 2 [11:45] <PieD> it allows me to count up to 31 with one hand :) [11:45] <matthew> :P [11:46] <Chameleon22> exacute =1; read = 4; write = 2; so to make something read and write you do 2+4 and you get 6 thats first group (owner) then same for group so another 6 you get 66 and no permissions for anyone else so thats a 0 so you get 660 [11:46] <Chameleon22> easy! [11:46] <libanes> i need to use kdm not gmd how i can change this?? [11:46] <PieD> apt-get install kdm [11:46] <PieD> apt-get remove gdm [11:46] <PieD> and that's done :) [11:46] <Chameleon22> purging gdm would be cleaner [11:46] <Chameleon22> :p [11:46] <libanes> i have install kdm and gdm [11:47] <matthew> yay i will soon have torrent goodness on linux:) [11:47] <libanes> if y remove gdm thats all?? [11:47] <libanes> are you sure? [11:47] <Chameleon22> install kdm first [11:47] <Chameleon22> dont want to chop of your own legs before you get new once hehehe [11:47] <libanes> is installed [11:47] <matthew> how would i check if the install has been successful>? [11:48] <Chameleon22> matthew, did you add jar to path [11:48] <Chameleon22> ? [11:48] <libanes> * Reloading K Display Manager configuration... [fail] [11:48] <libanes> invoke-rc.d: initscript kdm, action "reload" failed. [11:48] <matthew> add jar? [11:48] <Chameleon22> ok me go code for real now ! [11:48] <Chameleon22> bye bye [11:48] <matthew> bye [11:49] <matthew> what does he mean by add jar to path? [11:50] <libanes> ?? [11:50] <kinfo> i don't understand. [12:00] <_Mose_> could someone help? i got errors while compiling : "virtual outside class declaration" and "parse error before..." [12:05] <_Mose_> :/ [12:16] <ahluka> all, i need help updating kde to 3.4.2 [12:16] <ahluka> i've got all the dependancies but when i go to install one, it depends on another, which depends on the first one, it makes no sense :| [12:17] <ahluka> a big circle [12:17] <jpatrick> all you have to do is: apt-get upgrade [12:18] <jpatrick> or: apt-get dist-upgrade [12:18] <ahluka> i did but it didn't update kde :| [12:18] <jpatrick> why? [12:18] <ahluka> no idea [12:18] <ahluka> i'll try it again though [12:18] <jpatrick> :| [12:19] <ahluka> hmm it's rolling... [12:19] <ahluka> man this is gonna eat into my broadband limit, but bugger it [01:22] <PurpleMotion> check out what I did with kubuntu :) http://www.daede.com/2x3Desktop.jpg (and check out my Jornada, too: http://www.daede.com/Jornada690.jpg ) [01:42] <zAo^> any good (QT-based) p2p software? [01:51] <DocTomoe> Just ask .... Where is the mozilla plugin directory? I want to put it into konqueror so that the flash plugin I installed works not only with firefox. [01:52] <PurpleMotion> i dont really either [01:52] <PurpleMotion> like i have no clue how i would package this desktop [01:58] <gdh> hi :) what's the name of the WiFi cards which use pure GPL drivers? [01:58] <gdh> It's often bandied around here, but I can't remember it... [01:59] <gdh> ah, ralink or something? [01:59] <PurpleMotion> hrmm [01:59] <PurpleMotion> try asking in #ubuntu [01:59] <PurpleMotion> I, personally, don't know [02:00] <PurpleMotion> orinco? [02:00] <gdh> k, I know someone from this chan uses them - they must be asleep / at work :) [02:00] <gdh> no matter - cheers :) [02:09] <djtm> could anyone recommend a good binary newsreader to me? [02:19] <milksteak> pan's alright [02:21] <djtm> thanks milksteak, ill give it a try [02:21] <milksteak> I don't use newsgroups mucht though [02:24] <mainaccount> join #slug [02:24] <mainaccount> whoops... [02:26] <jpatrick> :-/ [02:26] <mainaccount> :-\ [02:27] <mainaccount> mainaccount - how droll [02:30] <chaumurky> ahh, that better [02:30] <milksteak> heh [02:31] <chaumurky> say hello to irc newb... [02:32] <chaumurky> actually wanted to join slug but kubuntu was set as a default. well, hello... [02:32] <chaumurky> Zzzzz... [02:33] <milksteak> heh [02:33] <chaumurky> SLUG... Zzzzz... lovinKonversation.... Hello me! [02:33] <milksteak> rather quiet in this chan [02:33] <chaumurky> yup [02:33] <milksteak> #ubuntu has a bit more [02:33] <chaumurky> hrmmm... Zzzzz [02:33] <milksteak> heh [02:33] <chaumurky> bot ha! [02:34] <chaumurky> shal sheck #'untu. ta. [02:44] <jpatrick> why not join: http://www.last.fm/group/Kubuntu ? [02:44] <jpatrick> :p [03:14] <kubuntulivecd> hey all...in windows, if it crashes, you hit control+alt+delete. I know linux doesnt crash anywhere near as often, but is there some sort of equivalent hotkey? [03:15] <jpatrick> not that I know of... :-/ [03:15] <kubuntulivecd> then what do you do if it freezes on you? [03:15] <jpatrick> wait [03:16] <kubuntulivecd> yeah, and then? [03:16] <kubuntulivecd> i hear the power button's not a great idea [03:16] <jpatrick> until the kwin says "blah blah has frozen" [03:16] <kubuntulivecd> ah ok, thanks! [03:16] <kubuntulivecd> i'd not come across that in the wiki or forums yet :P [03:16] <Zinoc> Or if you are not so patient, alt+f2, xkill, aim and click the frozen application [03:17] <kubuntulivecd> right, ok [03:17] <Zinoc> This is a reason why I love linux: you litteraly shoot the problem [03:17] <kubuntulivecd> hehe...working to get back to it...i'm not allowed to install it again till after my final exams [03:19] <kubuntulivecd> hehe nice!!! [03:19] <kubuntulivecd> i like it! [03:19] <kubuntulivecd> click and it goes zap! none of this windows rubbish of "oh no, i cant shut down right now"...grr! [03:21] <kubuntulivecd> thanks for that [03:24] <kubuntulivecd> suppose i ought to shut down and go to bed...nite all, thanks for the help :P [03:24] <jpatrick> night [04:03] <nikkia> jpatrick: for future reference, the KDE equivalent of ctrl-alt-delete for the task manager is ctrl-esc [04:04] <jpatrick> oh [04:06] <nikkia> oof [04:06] <nikkia> no wonder my java was running slow, gimp was eating nearly 2GB [04:07] <jpatrick> Gimp hardly eats anything here :-/ [04:07] <nikkia> jpatrick, you probably don't have *multiple* 80+ layer 1366x768 images open [04:07] <tenco> kstars sometimtes slows the system down unusually :( [04:08] <jpatrick> oh yeah [04:08] <nikkia> jpatrick, each image was using somewhere around 400-500MB :P [04:09] <jpatrick> my computer would die if I did that [04:10] <nikkia> its a shame gimp couldn't be more efficient when handling large layer counts, really, especially if a lot of those layers are disabled [04:10] <nikkia> something like compressing/decompressing layers as they're disabled/enabled would be useful [04:10] <nikkia> cos 4MB per layer is just a tad nasty when you have that many layers, and most of the layers are about 80-95% transparent, i'm sure they'd compress well [04:11] <nikkia> (erm, by that, i mean 80-95% area comprising 100% transparent, but you probably realised that) [04:11] <nikkia> jpatrick: its like earlier, i finished my Rmagic rewrite of a python util i use a lot... [04:12] <nikkia> and loaded the output image into my app, BOOM [04:12] <nikkia> it was then i realised Rmagick defaults to 16 bits per component when writing PNG files :/ [04:13] <nikkia> i must say tho, Rmagick utterly rocks [04:13] <nikkia> you could write a gimp clone in it with just a few thousand lines of code, i suspect [04:46] <CellarDoor> ello [04:47] <jpatrick> lo [04:48] <CellarDoor> hi jpatrick [04:52] <CellarDoor> could someone tell me how to get the xserver and login screen to start at start up, as mines not doing that atm [04:53] <jpatrick> startx [04:53] <metalhen> what about kubuntu and shfs? is shfs build in kubuntu own kernel? [04:54] <CellarDoor> yes jpatrick, I type startx and kde starts up but I'd like to have my login come back up at startup [04:56] <CellarDoor> I know its a n00b question but I just like having that graphical login [05:07] <Mustafa^^> Hi guys [05:08] <CellarDoor> hi [05:08] <jpatrick> lo [05:37] <confrey> hi everybody [05:38] <jpatrick> lo [05:38] <jjesse> lo [05:41] <confrey> my laptop doesn't sleep using kde interface; it sleeps but doesn't resume; I can't sleep using keyboard; what can I do? [05:58] <nikkia> heh [05:59] <Brian_Mushroom> test [05:59] <nikkia> hmmm, intersesting, play are projecting 279, HMV have theirs at 299 [06:00] <nikkia> wha?? actually, thats including a bunch of add-ons, 209 for the base xbox 360 [06:04] <nikkia> wooohoo, and my pre-order has dropped from 399 to 279 :) [06:21] <jjesse> saw the article on slashdot today [06:21] <jjesse> the base price will not include a hard drive or wirelss controllers [06:22] <nikkia> jesse, well, if you don't *need* them, the casual gamers that aren't likely to pay 279 will have an option, at least [06:22] <nikkia> jesse, me, i'll be sticking with my 279 pre-order :) [06:23] <Tm_T> what? [06:23] <_matthew> what's this? [06:24] <nikkia> _matthew/Tm_T, Xbox 360 prices confirmed at 210 for no-HDD/wired-controller and 280 for HDD+wireless [06:24] <Tm_T> ... [06:24] <Tm_T> xbox? some kind of console with linux? ;p [06:28] <_matthew> the 360 will be cracked....... [06:28] <_matthew> linux will run on it [06:28] <Tm_T> know [06:29] <Tm_T> I don't think nikkia will use it long time without linux =) [06:29] <nikkia> Tm_T, actually, i will [06:30] <nikkia> Tm_T, i've run linux on consoles before, its utterly pointless, i have dedicated PCs for that, where the xbox excels is in decent games :P [06:30] <Tm_T> bah [06:30] <_matthew> the type of processor it uses isnt that good for general computerness [06:30] <nikkia> _matthew: erm, yes, it is, reasonably so [06:30] <nikkia> _matthew: the 'oh noes, its in-order' is FUD [06:30] <Tm_T> where's all adventure and excitment [06:31] <nikkia> PC processors were in-order for a LONG time, and they managed just fine [06:31] <_matthew> ok [06:31] <_matthew> who wants to help me get java working?:) [06:32] <Tm_T> nobody, go home, kid [06:32] <apokryphos> !java [06:32] <ubotu> [java] to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [06:32] <Tm_T> ;--P [06:32] <nikkia> _matthew: let me give you an example, a lot of people run linux on ARM cpus, *most* ARM cpus are in-order [06:33] <nikkia> in fact, the only OoO ARM is one that Marvell (they of the dodgy 'they're a pain to setup in linux' network chipsets) have recently (within the last couple of months) announced [06:33] <_matthew> well only 256 ram in 360 isnt there? [06:33] <nikkia> _matthew: 512MB [06:34] <Tm_T> ready for KDE then =) [06:34] <nikkia> _matthew: and a bit more pidgeon holed away in the GPU [06:34] <nikkia> (the GPU has 10MB of EDRAM that has 96 custom floating point processors on board the RAM) [06:34] <_matthew> ah fair enough then [06:34] <_matthew> i'll get one when the price drops abit [06:35] <nikkia> the GPU's floating point processors handle all blur (motion, depth of field, etc) without causing any impact on the rest of the system [06:35] <_matthew> does general linux use benifit from 3 cpus? [06:35] <nikkia> _matthew: yes [06:36] <nikkia> it also benefits from the 'lots of registers' mentality of the powerpc :) [06:36] <_matthew> hopefully it will be able to do a decent pc res then [06:37] <nikkia> _matthew: there was a rumour that MS were going to offer a VGA cable for it, but i don't know if thats still true [06:37] <_matthew> could always just convert hdtv to vga, worked well on xbox 1 [06:37] <nikkia> aha [06:38] <nikkia> 'MS has confirmed that a VGA cable will be available seperately' (thats from today's press) [06:38] <_matthew> ah cool:) [06:38] <nikkia> _matthew: ever tried it? [06:38] <_matthew> tried what? [06:38] <nikkia> _matthew: component -> VGA looks like crud on my xbox [06:38] <_matthew> x2vga? [06:39] <nikkia> but thats partially because MS crippled the component output on the UK xbox [06:39] <_matthew> mine was modded, so i changed to ntsc, and all was clear:P [06:40] <_matthew> nikkia, if you are confident with iopening ure xbox, you can mod for zero cost [06:40] <nikkia> _matthew: i wanted to be able to play on live... [06:40] <_matthew> aah [06:40] <nikkia> and yes, i know you can use mods that can be switched off, but its too much hassle to remember [06:40] <_matthew> ever heard of xlink kai? [06:41] <nikkia> _matthew: not even remotely as good as live [06:41] <_matthew> does the job for me [06:41] <_matthew> and i did have live [06:42] <Poromies> is there any way to speed up amaroK's "update collection/database" thingy? [06:43] <apokryphos> Poromies: yes, make it do it automatically [06:43] <_matthew> have your music on a fast partition / disk? [06:43] <Poromies> i have 120gb mp3 database on a USB 2.0 HD and it's taking ages to "creating database" :( [06:43] <apokryphos> oO [06:43] <apokryphos> the original creation will always take some time, I'd imagine [06:43] <_matthew> do it overnight? [06:43] <apokryphos> especially with 120 megs... [06:43] <apokryphos> *gigs [06:44] <Poromies> heh, hope it doesn't do this every week but rather update db when needed :) [06:45] <apokryphos> You can select it to automatically update, but it only changes where there's changes [06:45] <apokryphos> it never does a whole rescan unless you request it [06:46] <_matthew> i installed the .bin of java, but Azureus can't find it, what exactly is javadir? [06:46] <Poromies> well thats good then.. and in case you are wondering, i'm into DJ-stuff, and i have quite many records after few years of "searious" collecting :] [06:46] <Poromies> though not even half of them are in mp3's or ogg's yet, may a third or so [06:46] <apokryphos> It will take quite some time to fetch album covers, too ;-) [06:47] <_matthew> and i have pointed it to where i installed java [06:47] <Poromies> gg, it does that too? sweet \o/ [06:47] <apokryphos> _matthew: easier way to install java is trash that and enable hoary-extras, then install the sun j2re package [06:47] <apokryphos> it will set up everything in the appropriate place, too [06:49] <_matthew> ah ok [06:49] <_matthew> is there an easy way as root to delete a folder, even if it isnt empty? [06:49] <spiral> 'lu [06:49] <spiral> _matthew: rm -fr folder [06:49] <_matthew> ta [06:52] <_matthew> so i add hoary-extras to sources.list? [06:56] <apokryphos> _matthew: yes; add deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted ...to /etc/apt/sources.list [06:56] <jpatrick> sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list [06:56] <_matthew> yep doen that [06:56] <apokryphos> whoop [06:56] <_matthew> i prefer nano:P [06:56] <apokryphos> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [06:57] <apokryphos> ...that instead [06:57] <apokryphos> jpatrick: no, you shouldn't use sudo <guiapp> ever =) [06:57] <_matthew> so this semi legal site contains realplayer stuff extra? [06:57] <_matthew> *etc? [06:58] <apokryphos> Well, illegal. Not sure if it has realplayer [06:58] <hater2win> Hey guys, I'm kind of in a crisis, lol. School starts in a few days and I need to print out my Unofficial transcript to take to the school to get registered. But I can't get my printer to work. What do I need to do? [06:59] <jpatrick> What printer do you have? [06:59] <hater2win> jpatrick: HP psc 120 xi [06:59] <hater2win> it's connected via USB [07:00] <jpatrick> Have you set it up via Control Center? [07:00] <jpatrick> I have HP PSC 1315 [07:00] <jpatrick> it works fine :p [07:00] <hater2win> I've tried but I have no clue which USB thing to use [07:01] <jpatrick> Any [07:02] <hater2win> i tried a few diff ones but none work. Even then when it loads up the screen to choose a printer type, the 1210 xi isnt there, just 1210 or 1210 hpijs [07:03] <hater2win> jpatrick: what should i do? [07:04] <hater2win> i tried just using the 1210, but it wont print [07:04] <jpatrick> my HP PSC 1315 works with the HP PSC 1310 driver :-/ [07:06] <hater2win> O [07:06] <hater2win> M [07:06] <hater2win> F [07:06] <hater2win> G [07:06] <jpatrick> :? [07:06] <hater2win> the freaking USB cable wasn't plugged in! [07:07] <jpatrick> That explains why it wasn't working [07:07] <hater2win> I would think so. [07:07] <hater2win> Holy crap. [07:07] <hater2win> I'm an idiot [07:07] <hater2win> Thats like [07:07] <hater2win> the first thing you are supposed to check for everytime, but you never do because I've been working with comps for years and know that I have all my bases covered. [07:08] <hater2win> wow. [07:08] <_matthew> LOL [07:10] <_matthew> if i have a shortcut to a terminal command, how do i make it run silently? [07:12] <hater2win> _matthew: im not sure to be honest [07:12] <hater2win> _matthew: im still trying to figure out how to make shortcuts to terminal commands [07:13] <_matthew> ah ok, im just trying to make it as smooth as possible [07:13] <hater2win> understandably so [07:14] <hater2win> you might be able to open up the proccess viewer [07:14] <hater2win> and tell it to run silently there [07:14] <hater2win> im not sure if its a permanent cmd though [07:14] <_matthew> well its azeures, so it does a bit of stuff in a shell, then oipens up the gui [07:14] <_matthew> but i dont need to see the shell stuff [07:16] <hater2win> yeah [07:16] <_matthew> and i need the icon to have the proper graphic:P [07:17] <hater2win> lol, i dont even want to get into changing graphics, theres like images stored in a million places [07:17] <hater2win> and frankly, im scared to touch any of them [07:17] <hater2win> with linux, doing anything with root could make your hard work go to shit [07:17] <_matthew> lol no root involved, i have a png file, just want to put it on an icon [07:17] <jpatrick> yo [ITA] MisterX ! [07:18] <jpatrick> ;) [07:18] <[ITA] MisterX> hi :) [07:18] <hater2win> _matthew: oh i see what you mean [07:19] <PHZN`Away> _matthew, are you talking about an icon for the desktop or menus? [07:19] <_matthew> desktop [07:20] <PHZN`Away> Alright, right click on the icon, and select properties [07:20] <_matthew> i got that far:P [07:20] <PHZN`Away> Click on the icon in the properties menu [07:21] <_matthew> yea i worked it out:P [07:21] <PHZN`Away> Then click other icons, and then browse [07:21] <PHZN`Away> You got it working? [07:21] <_matthew> yarha [07:21] <_matthew> :) [07:21] <PHZN`Away> Alright, cool. [07:21] <sonix_> Hi there [07:22] <hater2win> ok, so how do i set something to a terminal command? [07:22] <_matthew> yea i wanted to know as well [07:22] <sonix_> I just installed Kubuntu and everything works out fine [07:22] <hater2win> sonix_: good job [07:23] <sonix_> ;) the only Problem I'm having right now is I can't logon as root [07:23] <_matthew> hater: properties 4 icon, advanced [07:23] <apokryphos> sonix_: that's a good thing [07:23] <sonix_> I did a little rtfm but none of the solutions works [07:23] <_matthew> sonix, you dont need to, put sudo before a command makes it root [07:23] <hater2win> sonix_: yep, just use sudo [07:24] <_matthew> PHZN, how can i execute a terminal command silently from an icon? [07:24] <sonix_> ah okay trying that right now [07:24] <hater2win> i like sudo, it kind of FORCES you to learn commands, lol [07:24] <sonix_> ur probably right about that [07:25] <sonix_> I was using Suse up until now [07:25] <_matthew> urgh lol [07:25] <sonix_> then I switched to Debian [07:25] <sonix_> and now to Kubuntu [07:25] <pax> !sudo [07:25] <ubotu> from memory, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [07:26] <_matthew> so anyone know how to silently execute a terminal command from an icon? [07:26] <sonix_> the only reason I need root priviledges is so I can setup my WLAN card [07:27] <jpatrick> then do: kdesu kcontrol [07:27] <apokryphos> some of the ideas in ktorrent are looking swe-ee-t now. You can select which files to download from a torrent :D [07:28] <_matthew> lol [07:28] <_matthew> why not just use azeures? [07:28] <hater2win> sonix_: hit alt+f2 and then type kdesu kcontrol [07:28] <pax> never got it work, most of'em dead links. [07:29] <hater2win> dead links? [07:29] <hater2win> did you install jre? [07:29] <apokryphos> _matthew: it would be really nice to have a kde alternative. Azureus is CPU-intensive, and by the looks of things ktorrent will have some features azureus doesn't [07:29] <sonix_> I know how to get to the control center [07:30] <_matthew> ah ok, ill switch when it surpasses azeures then [07:30] <sonix_> and the card is listed [07:30] <apokryphos> _matthew: it's worth trying out now (at least -- if not converting entirely); there's an ubuntu repository you can add for it.... [07:30] <pax> hater2win: I lost you, come again [07:31] <sonix_> well I guess I'll figure out the rest myself, but thanks for the sudo tipp [07:31] <hater2win> pax: did you install JRE? (Java Runtime Environment) [07:31] <_matthew> ive just got azeures working properly 2 mins ago, and i like all the advanced features:P [07:31] <hater2win> sonix_: ive never configured a WLAN card in linux, before, sorry I can't be of much more help [07:32] <hater2win> pax: without JRE, azureus is useless. not only that, but where were you finding torrents at? [07:32] <pax> _matthew: I'm a linux masochist, I don't like apps that work outta the box [07:32] <pax> hater2win: for what? [07:32] <hater2win> linux [07:32] <hater2win> and win alike [07:33] <_matthew> lol [07:33] <sonix_> na thats okay I don't expect people to give me exact directions [07:33] <sonix_> I guess its got something to do with the fact that my AP is using WPA [07:33] <hater2win> but you said links were dead? did you mean links to download or torrents? [07:33] <pax> hater2win: who said I use azureus, are you confusing me with someone else you were helping? [07:35] <hater2win> pax: yeh, i probably thought you were saying something different than you really were. im sorry. [07:36] <pax> hater2win: I was saying the most of the links in ktorrents search option are inactive/dead [07:36] <hater2win> oooh [07:36] <hater2win> lol [07:36] <hater2win> my bad [07:36] <pax> ktorrent* [07:36] <_matthew> torrent sites go down all the time [07:36] <hater2win> i use only 3 torrent sites that work for me all the times [07:36] <hater2win> time* [07:37] <apokryphos> pax: bittorrent.com is a bad idea for looking for torrents in general [07:37] <apokryphos> most popular is probably torrentspy.com [07:37] <pax> it's cool :c) [07:37] <apokryphos> pax: it doesn't indicate seeders/ d/ls etc... [07:37] <apokryphos> search options aren't very advanced, neither [07:38] <pax> ktorrent, has an intergrated torrent.com search [07:38] <sonix_> any of u every try Dlink PCIMCIA Wifi cards with Linux? [07:38] <_matthew> mininova.org [07:39] <pax> I don't need torrentspy.com or torrent.com, I have enough pr0n (jes kidding) [07:39] <_matthew> lolsy [07:40] <hater2win> i would say the most popular torrent site was either piratebay.org [07:40] <hater2win> or torrentspy [07:40] <apokryphos> pax: it's bittorrent.com -- yes. Lame search afaics [07:41] <apokryphos> aha! KTorrent has multiple search engines -- nice. [07:41] <apokryphos> torrentspy included [07:41] <_matthew> sheesh azoreus EATS cpu [07:42] <_matthew> and ram - 300mb [07:42] <apokryphos> indeed [07:42] <redguy_> how to enable debian submenu in my K-menu ? [07:42] <apokryphos> particularly if you have many torrents. When I have 8/9 my system used to struggle ;-) [07:43] <_matthew> is there integration between konquerer and ktorrent? eg konquerer realising it should give the torrent to ktorrent? [07:45] <apokryphos> _matthew: haven't checked yet; it's of course easily alterable if it isn't [07:45] <pax> redguy_: update-menus [07:45] <apokryphos> just change file-associations [07:51] <_matthew> ill try it out now then, ass kubuntu has used swaap for the first tiem using azoreus [07:54] <dazjorz> Heya [07:54] <_matthew> howdy [07:54] <dazjorz> :) [07:54] <dazjorz> I'm banned at #ubuntu so i'm talking here now [07:54] <dazjorz> :) [07:55] <dazjorz> is that ok ? [07:55] <apokryphos> dazjorz: what for? For the time being of course, but ban-personalities have a tendency to stick ;-) [07:55] <dazjorz> hey umm,... i forgot what I wanted to ask now [07:56] <dazjorz> apokryphos: I firstly got +q'ed for 2 things: 1. talking offtopic (but I stopt with that after a warning) 2. asking how to de-ignore someone 2 times. [07:56] <dazjorz> apokryphos: That was 3 days ago. [07:56] <dazjorz> apokryphos: So I asked Seveas to -q me, he didnt want too, and I said it was unfair etc [07:57] <dazjorz> apokryphos: and that's why he banned me [07:57] <dazjorz> apokryphos: Some ops misuse their powers... [07:57] <apokryphos> Some ops don't [07:57] <dazjorz> apokryphos: These ops are cool [07:57] <dazjorz> apokryphos: but,... there are still too much ops who do [07:58] <dazjorz> Oh yes I remember what I wanted to ask [07:58] <dazjorz> For Wine / Cedega... I've got some ISO's, how do I put them as CD-drives in Cedega ? [07:58] <apokryphos> dazjorz: flooding sticks out often, too ;-) [07:58] <dazjorz> Does Alcohol 120% work for that ? [07:58] <dazjorz> apokryphos: sticks out ? [07:59] <apokryphos> correct [07:59] <redguy> thanks pax [07:59] <dazjorz> can I use alcohol 120% to create drives that also work when I run cedega again ? [07:59] <dazjorz> or can I connect a Wine drive to an ISO ? [08:00] <nikkia> nnrrrrg [08:00] <_matthew> apokryphos: ktorrent is better than i expected:) [08:00] <nikkia> i hate hour long 'what have you done this week?' phone calls [08:00] <dazjorz> nikkia: For these calls there is a red button that means, hang up ;) [08:00] <nikkia> you can't really say 'well, monday i did FA cos i couldn't be bothered, deal with it!' [08:00] <apokryphos> nikkia: for me it generally varies depending on who I'm having them with 8) [08:01] <nikkia> dazjorz: i think thats even more risky than the honest route :P [08:01] <nikkia> apokryphos: my boss :P [08:01] <dazjorz> nikkia: that means you're going to be either fired or promoted soon ;) [08:01] <dazjorz> ^^ [08:01] <_matthew> :P [08:02] <apokryphos> nikkia: a few seconds of akward pauses is enough for my boss to say "so.... I have these and these shifts"... "ok, see ya" [08:02] <nikkia> dazjorz: i was promised a promotion a few months ago, nothing has come of it yet [08:02] <apokryphos> nikkia: subtle hints, subtle hints [08:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm not that bothered about the promotion, tbh [08:02] <dazjorz> nikkia: Well, good luck with these calls then ;) [08:03] <nikkia> apokryphos: i was asked if i wanted to take on management of the dev team, i shrugged and said 'i dunno' :P [08:03] <apokryphos> nikkia: would it be more work? [08:03] <apokryphos> nikkia: would it even be possible tod o more work than you do now? ;-) [08:03] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, which is why my boss is trying to offload it on someone else :P [08:03] <nikkia> apokryphos: not without inventing a time machine [08:03] <dazjorz> how do I mount an ISO ? [08:03] <nikkia> 'oh great, now you want me to spend time inventing a time machine too?!?' :P [08:04] <_matthew> lol [08:04] <apokryphos> nikkia: it's on my TODO list; and you *know* it's gonna happen since it's in Kontact (never wrong) [08:04] <nikkia> i thought the emails about my project status at 4am might have been a clue, but noone seems to be taking it [08:04] <dazjorz> nikkia: But, if you take on management of the dev team, you only have to tell them what they have to do [08:04] <derek> hey, are there any plans for newer hula packages? [08:04] <dazjorz> nikkia: What kind of things do you do btw ? [08:04] <nikkia> dazjorz: game development [08:05] <dazjorz> nikkia: Cool! Great! Nice! Game development! Do you make Linux games too ? :D [08:05] <nikkia> dazjorz: its a bit more niche than you might think... [08:05] <apokryphos> nikkia: my uncle actually has it best; he's responsible for all computers in a part of Greece for a phone company. He employed 8 people, taught them what he knows, and makes them do all the work [08:06] <nikkia> dazjorz: the games are to run in gambling terminals, and yes, my current project runs on linux (using java :/) [08:06] <apokryphos> nikkia: he rarely ever goes into work. If they ever need them, he says he'll come in the next day, by which time the problem has gone 8) [08:06] <derek> /join #ubuntu-motu [08:06] <apokryphos> dazjorz: mounting ISOs... check the kubuntu guide [08:08] <apokryphos> active dev(s). Always great to see. [08:09] <dazjorz> nikkia: I would love to manage a dev team :D it seems like a super job to me :D [08:09] <dazjorz> nikkia: what do you do now ? [08:09] <nikkia> dazjorz: software engineer [08:09] <dazjorz> nikkia: what does a software engineer do ? [08:10] <dazjorz> nikkia: i mean, exactly [08:10] <nikkia> dazjorz: same as a programmer, but they have more pay and a better credit rating :P [08:14] <apokryphos> Just realised that LimeWire and Gimp are the only non-kde apps I ever use now. Excellent 8) [08:15] <jpatrick> I only use Linpopup [08:15] <jpatrick> (non-kde (I think)) [08:15] <dazjorz> nikkia: is it as great as I think it is ? [08:15] <apokryphos> linpopup: nothing appropriate. [08:15] <nikkia> dazjorz: probably not [08:15] <dazjorz> nikkia: what kind of games do you make ? [08:16] <apokryphos> jpatrick: what is it? [08:16] <_matthew> is limewire as slow as it is on windows?(java being crap) [08:16] <jpatrick> Clone of WinPopUp [08:16] <apokryphos> _matthew: slow in loading or slow in downloading [08:16] <jpatrick> LAN chat [08:16] <apokryphos> _matthew: it's the best conventional p2p client I know.... [08:16] <nikkia> dazjorz: as i said, games for gambling terminals, roulette, poker, fruit/slot machines, etc [08:16] <apokryphos> jpatrick: oh [08:17] <dazjorz> hey btw, who are the 6 people on the Ubuntu cd's [08:17] <dazjorz> nikkia: Uhh,...Ok,... [08:17] <dazjorz> nikkia: Have you ever tried to make 3D games ? [08:17] <nikkia> dazjorz: yes [08:17] <dazjorz> nikkia: And ? [08:18] <nikkia> dazjorz: and what? there's not much real difference in terms of what the work involves :) [08:21] <_matthew> slow in loading and it uses lots of resources [08:22] <apokryphos> _matthew: it's less CPU-intensive than azureus easily, here, but it is Java. With regard to speed, I've never seen a problem there. I'd be hard-pressed to keep downloads going... [08:23] <_matthew> its just nice to not have bloat [08:23] <_matthew> what is artsd and why is it using 200mb of ram? [08:23] <brk3> has noone made packages of the new amarok yet..? [08:23] <apokryphos> It's not really a bloat at all. [08:26] <_matthew> what is artsd and kio_http? [08:29] <apokryphos> _matthew: is there a reason for why you haven't checked google first at least? [08:30] <_matthew> sorry yea [08:31] <sonix_> Is there more than one file you have to edit to be able to logon as root [08:31] <sonix_> ? [08:31] <_matthew> sudo should be fine sonix [08:31] <sonix_> because setting allowrootlogin in /etc/kde3/kdm doesn't do the trick [08:32] <sonix_> don't get me wrong :) I believe you when you say sudo is fine, It's just that I'd like to be able to login as root [08:33] <apokryphos> sonix_: why? It's quite unsafe... [08:33] <apokryphos> defeates half the point of the linux filesystem if you use root, really, by default. [08:33] <apokryphos> s/linux/unix [08:34] <sonix_> I dont intend to use it by default [08:34] <apokryphos> sonix_: why do you want to use it? [08:35] <sonix_> Now that I've installed the system there still is stuff to do, like setting up my WiFi card [08:35] <sonix_> look at it this way [08:36] <caller> Hello, I am trying to burn my entire hard drive to a few CD disks, using a program called Mondo. I will then install this exact system on 19 other computers. I ran into a problem, however. This howto that I am following has no troubleshooting, and mondo fails to burn the CD #1, I retried around 10 times with 3 different parameters, but no cigar. Anyone have any ideas? This is the howto: http://phazeman.mail333.com/Mondo_Rescue_CD_HOWTO.htm And this i [08:36] <caller> s the command I used that SHOULD be right by all means. mondoarchive -Oc 48 -s 700m -d 1,0,0 -5 -l GRUB -f /dev/hda Any help is appreciated! Thanks! [08:36] <apokryphos> sonix_: you should use kdesu to run any app under root perms [08:37] <sonix_> okay [08:37] <sonix_> then one another question :-) [08:37] <nikkia> what we need, is a device that gives users an electric shock every time they make a typo as root, that'd soon cut down on the 'how do i enable root' questions :P [08:37] <sonix_> do you know how to run a Wifi card without Linux drivers :-) [08:37] <jpatrick> ndiswrapper [08:38] <sonix_> yep I tried this [08:38] <sonix_> but the setup.ini can't be read [08:38] <jpatrick> It's meant to be a .inf file [08:38] <sonix_> ist a Dlink Card [08:38] <sonix_> Pcmcia [08:40] <sonix_> if I type ndiswrapper -l [08:40] <sonix_> I get the message: setup: invalid driver [08:41] <sonix_> ...mh could be possible that this is the install ini file and not the driver ini file ... I'm stupid at all ... [08:42] <sonix_> okay forget that question ;-) [08:44] <Mustafa^^> Hello [08:44] <Mustafa^^> How can I install KSplash Themes? [08:45] <arcanistherogue> Hey, i have a problem mounting my Cdrom drive [08:45] <arcanistherogue> i have the UT2004 install disc in the drive, and when i do "sudo mount /cdrom" it says no medium found [08:46] <arcanistherogue> and i tryed /media/cdrom, /dev/hda, nothing worked. [08:46] <caller> Mustafa^^, you still looking to install KSplash themes? [08:46] <Mustafa^^> I think your cd has an error [08:46] <arcanistherogue> Mustafa^^: how do i fix said error >_> [08:46] <Mustafa^^> yes caller [08:46] <caller> Mustafa^^, your own or some from KDELook or something similar? [08:47] <caller> arcanistherogue, sorry, I hate Ubuntu's cdrom mounting, so unpredictable :( sorry no idea [08:47] <Mustafa^^> KDElook [08:47] <apokryphos> Moodin engine is good for KSplash [08:47] <arcanistherogue> aw CRAP [08:47] <caller> Mustafa^^, ah, a tar.gz you have then? [08:47] <arcanistherogue> doesnt that just rape your bum! [08:47] <arcanistherogue> i want my UT2004 fix :C [08:47] <Mustafa^^> yes caller [08:47] <Mustafa^^> How can I install it [08:48] <caller> Mustafa^^, can you get to control center? [08:48] <Mustafa^^> yeah [08:48] <caller> ok, then go to appearance and themes [08:48] <caller> and then click splash screen [08:48] <Mustafa^^> yes [08:48] <caller> then click add [08:48] <caller> and locate the tar.gz [08:48] <Mustafa^^> ok [08:49] <Mustafa^^> It says an error [08:49] <caller> that should do it [08:49] <caller> hmm [08:49] <caller> ok, try extracting the tar.gz [08:49] <Mustafa^^> I tried [08:49] <Mustafa^^> But same error [08:50] <caller> move the theme to /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/ [08:50] <caller> the whole folder [08:50] <caller> what is the name of the theme btw? [08:50] <apokryphos> or ~/.kde/share/apps/ksplash/Themes [08:50] <apokryphos> you may have to alter the Theme.rc file -- easy to do. [08:51] <Mustafa^^> Gear [08:51] <caller> yea just make sure the names of the Theme.rc file are the same as the theme's folder name [08:51] <caller> otherwise it won't show up [08:51] <caller> then when you go back into the kcontrol center, you should see it there [08:52] <jpatrick> What's the file you have to edit? [08:52] <Mustafa^^> ok thanx caller I will try [08:52] <caller> jpatrick, Theme.rc [08:52] <caller> Mustafa^^, np, any probs, let me know, but I gotta get back to work now so figure it out if you can ;) [08:53] <jpatrick> where's Theme.rc ? [08:54] <apokryphos> jpatrick: in the respective theme's folder [08:54] <jpatrick> I'm trying to install a KDM theme tho [08:54] <apokryphos> sometimes (more rarely) they don't include it at all, and want you to do it yourself ;-) [08:54] <caller> jpatrick, oh, will be different most likely [08:55] <caller> not sure what KDM is [08:55] <jpatrick> K Display Manager [08:55] <apokryphos> kdm theme... that's completely different [08:55] <jpatrick> http://www.kde-look.org/help/index.php?type=40 [08:55] <jpatrick> tried that^^ [08:55] <apokryphos> you have to put the folder somewhere and then point to it from kdm.rc [08:55] <jpatrick> didn't work [08:56] <apokryphos> *kdmrc [08:56] <apokryphos> that's a busted howto; kdmrc in $KDEHOME wouldn't do anything :| [08:56] <EasterSunshine> woo kdevelop is freaking awesome! my first time using it [08:56] <jpatrick> KDevelop? [08:57] <jpatrick> I prefer KDevelop3 [08:57] <apokryphos> jpatrick: use the one in /etc/kde3/kdm/ [08:57] <regeya> oboy [08:57] <jpatrick> EasterSunshine: Have you tried: sudo apt-get install kdevelop3 ? [08:58] <EasterSunshine> crap! i'm using an old version [08:58] <EasterSunshine> that means kdevelop3 gets even better? ^_^ [08:58] <Tm_T> =) [08:58] <EasterSunshine> this makes me want to code [08:58] <jpatrick> alot better [08:59] <jpatrick> apokryphos: what part exactly do I edit? [08:59] <jpatrick> ah found it [08:59] <jpatrick> I think [09:00] <apokryphos> jpatrick: it's the Theme=/location/to/theme [09:00] <apokryphos> Kubuntu should already have one there... you should replace it. [09:00] <jpatrick> Yeah, I found that [09:01] <jpatrick> so I have to cp the downloaded themes to usr/share/... [09:02] <apokryphos> jpatrick: nope, you can make it point to anywhere from there [09:02] <jpatrick> ok [09:02] <jpatrick> brb [09:02] <apokryphos> jpatrick: for example mine is /home/dw/themes/splash/LoveKDE [09:02] <jpatrick> testing [09:02] <apokryphos> he didn't need to logout for that =) [09:03] <apokryphos> no wait... kdm theme. Yes he did oO [09:05] <jpatrick> okay... [09:05] <jpatrick> just need to change the splash-screen now [09:06] <manuel_> Hi dudes, how do i disable the paste function when I click the mouse middle button??? [09:07] <transgress> anyone have an ipod shuffle? [09:08] <transgress> omg why would you wanna do that manuel_ ? that's the best thing about linux [09:08] <transgress> THE BEST! [09:09] <manuel_> It gives me problems when dealing with code :S sometimes I hit the 3rd button by accident [09:09] <transgress> edit undo [09:09] <manuel_> It is xorg stuff, isn't it? [09:09] <insanekane> manuel_: try ControlCentre/SystemSettings->Mouse ? [09:10] <manuel_> edit undo edit undo doesn't work for me because i dont know when I hit the 3rd button [09:11] <manuel_> insanekane: there is nothing about the clipboard there :( [09:11] <insanekane> manuel_: hmm yes [09:12] <manuel_> Control Center->Peripherals->Mouse ???? [09:14] <manuel_> doesnt seem to be there [09:15] <dazjorz> hey umm [09:15] <dazjorz> is there a graphical RAR program for Kubuntu ? [09:15] <jpatrick> Ark [09:16] <EasterSunshine> winrar thru wine [09:16] <EasterSunshine> ark would be my first choice, howeer [09:19] <dazjorz> ark can't run RAR's ...? [09:21] <dazjorz> i mean, open [09:22] <nietek-8-72> hello world :-) [09:24] <apokryphos> hi nietek-8-72 [09:24] <nietek-8-72> whats up? [09:25] <apokryphos> nietek-8-72: not a lot. Reading a bit on the net, playing with KTorrent and listening to music ;-) [09:28] <nietek-8-72> Well, @ll the same everywhere... :-) [09:31] <dazjorz> i'm trying to get WoW to work [09:31] <dazjorz> private server [09:35] <nemlah> hey kubuntu fans [09:36] <nietek-8-72> ok dudes need to work - see ya [09:36] <nemlah> i am having a problem ... my tv card is not working [09:49] <_Mose_> hello, how to change privilegies of mounted hd (fat32) so i could not just view but modify files there? is it possible? [09:52] <KWizzard> how can I disable that startup dialog to choose the channel in Konversation? [10:00] <CyberMad> hello.. [10:02] <KWizzard> hi [10:03] <_Mose_> hi [10:05] <CyberMad> i want to partitioning my HardDisk, i have 40 GB.. for 1st partition (15 GB, primary, ext3, mount /), 2nd partition (24 GB, primary, ext3, /home), 3rd partition (1 GB, swap), is that correct? [10:05] <CyberMad> i want use it for PC Router (NAT) and home use [10:05] <caller> I have another question. Is there a way to back up an entire system to a series of bootable CDs? So I can boot on a seperate, same hardware machine and have it turn out exactly like this machine? [10:06] <Adkron> Is anyone else having problems when using the configuration manager to change things such as time [10:07] <Adkron> It asks for my pw I type it, and it goes away, but I still can't change anyting [10:07] <Adkron> If I do type in the wrong pw it tells me [10:10] <nikkia> Adkron: press alt-f2, and run kdesu kcontrol instead [10:10] <CyberMad> does kubuntu support samba? [10:11] <supernix> yes CyberMad [10:11] <caller> Anyone see my q? [10:11] <CyberMad> ok, so i don't need to create FAT partition [10:11] <CyberMad> caller yes.. [10:11] <Adkron> nikkia, thanks I'll try [10:14] <CyberMad> caller maybe there is a software like Norton Ghost in linux.. [10:14] <caller> CyberMad, there is, but that's not what I'm looking for [10:14] <caller> CyberMad, doesn't that use network? [10:14] <nikkia> CyberMad: the only thing i can think of, is the debian 'bootcd' package, but it can't split across discs and probably isn't suitable for restoring from [10:15] <CyberMad> caller nope.. Norton Ghost can be bootable cd (cmiiw) [10:15] <caller> CyberMad, no network involved at all? [10:15] <caller> I would need at least 3 disks, no? [10:15] <nikkia> the problem with norton ghost, is that it is incredibly invasive [10:16] <nikkia> but thats symantec software these days, installs once useful app, and 300 pieces of spyware :/ [10:16] <CyberMad> caller i believe i saw it there is bootable via network (because i did about 1 year ago) [10:16] <caller> CyberMad, exactly...that's NOT what I want [10:16] <caller> I need CDs and ONLY cds...otherwise useless to me :/ [10:17] <nikkia> caller, just because it CAN, doesn't mean it MUST :) [10:17] <CyberMad> yes.. i'm talking about cd ;| [10:17] <caller> Oh, ah sry [10:17] <nikkia> caller, i think you're going to find any solution you find that does what you want, is going to offer other features you don't need :P [10:17] <CyberMad> [03:15] <CyberMad> caller nope.. Norton Ghost can be bootable cd (cmiiw) [10:17] <caller> well ah, not sure how to get that :/ [10:17] <caller> Mondo is perfect, but I can't get it to work [10:18] <nikkia> CyberMad: i really wouldn't recommend ghost, even if it does do linux backups.... [10:18] <CyberMad> maybe the last way.. learn how to create distro like knoppix [10:19] <caller> Well, don't want it bootable liveCD heh...and DEFINITELY don't have time to develop a installer or anything [10:19] <caller> nor the skillz [10:20] <nikkia> caller, thats what debian's 'bootcd' package does [10:20] <nikkia> it takes a working system and makes a livecd out of it [10:20] <nikkia> caller, problem is, that 'working system' MUST fit on 1 CD :/ [10:20] <caller> nik, is it installable though? [10:20] <caller> oh ok uselessness [10:21] <caller> thnx tho [10:21] <nikkia> and as i said, a livecd probably isn't likely to be suitable for restore [10:22] <nikkia> caller, all you really want, is a minimal boot/root floppy combo, use the boot floppy as the CD's boot image, and make it use the root image from CD, then a script to extract an archive from the CD(s) to a specified HDD, offering partitioning on the way [10:22] <caller> nikkia, won't work [10:22] <caller> nikkia, I have no floppy drive [10:22] <nikkia> caller: no, you don't need a floppy drive [10:22] <caller> to use a floppy? [10:23] <nikkia> caller, bootable CDs are made by using a floppy disk image [10:23] <caller> uh, ok [10:23] <caller> can you explain how I would do this then :) [10:23] <nikkia> caller, not really, its not a huge amount of work, but its beyond a medium like irc :/ [10:23] <shaynes_> Anyone suggest a nice sources.list for latest apps? [10:24] <caller> nikkia, I see...sounds complex but I'm on quite a deadline [10:24] <caller> I cannot believe there is no app that just DOES this [10:24] <caller> I mean seriously, it's not like my situation never happens? It's pretty much what linux was MADE for, yet it can't achieve it :( [10:25] <CyberMad> you better ask to the mailing list [10:25] <CyberMad> maybe there is no expert today [10:26] <caller> CyberMad, what mailing list? [10:26] <luigino> hello everyone... [10:26] <CyberMad> kubuntu [10:26] <CyberMad> linux, etc [10:26] <caller> ah [10:26] <caller> I've been all around google, irc, and forums...I'm not much of a mailing list user though [10:26] <caller> I hate the annoyance of deleting so many unnecesary mails [10:26] <luigino> I've installed gmplayer but looks like it doesnt see DVDs so I figured out kubuntu mounts always as cdrom... so how I can made mounting as dvd? [10:27] <nikkia> caller, all i see, is stuff about using mondo [10:27] <nikkia> caller, i suspect getting mondo working would be your best bet [10:27] <caller> nikkia, well, I don't know what's wrong, but I followed the howto word for word, read the man page to check what I was doing, and redid several times, trying everything. I think mondo's b0rked. [10:28] <DaSkreech> Is there a GUI to manage users in Kubuntu? [10:29] <caller> kuser? [10:29] <nikkia> dargo: 'kuser' [10:29] <nikkia> erm, DaSkreech, even [10:29] <DaSkreech> :-) [10:29] <PurpleMotion> kuser is broken in kubuntu, as far as i can tell.. i use the gnome user app [10:29] <hussam> can somebody look at this? http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu , It says breezy has kernel 2.6.12.10 although the latest is 2.6.12.5 [10:29] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: no, it works fine [10:29] <EasterSunshine> ugh...distrowatch... [10:30] <PurpleMotion> mine doesnt over three differernt installs it breaks when you try to quit, and thus doesnt save anything [10:30] <CyberMad> do you have any kubuntu ebook? maybe from amazon.. ;) [10:30] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: works fine for me [10:30] <PurpleMotion> *shrug* owell... [10:30] <caller> mondoarchive -Oc 48 -s 700m -d 1,0,0 -5 -l GRUB -f /dev/hda [10:30] <caller> that should work [10:30] <caller> but it doesn't [10:30] <PurpleMotion> nikkia u see my new desktop? [10:30] <caller> :( [10:30] <hussam> PurpleMotion: kuser is broken in kde 3.4.0 but it is fixed in kde 3.4.2 [10:31] <Tm_T> hussam o/ [10:31] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: no, because your web server was b0rked when i tried [10:31] <PurpleMotion> nikkia: http://www.daede.com/2x3Desktop.jpg [10:31] <PurpleMotion> is it really? [10:31] <PurpleMotion> grrr [10:31] <nikkia> ah, it worked that time [10:31] <PurpleMotion> interserver is starting to piss me off [10:31] <hussam> when I upgraded to kde 3.4.2, kuser was fixed. [10:32] <nikkia> i'm not keen on the greys or the window decorations, but thats your choice [10:32] <caller> brb [10:32] <PurpleMotion> hussam: I'll look into upgrading :) [10:33] <PurpleMotion> nikkia: i wanted something that matched the car, heh [10:34] <CyberMad> i partitioning on my HD: 1st partition (15 GB, primary, ext3, mount /), 2nd partition (24 GB, primary, ext3, /home), 3rd partition (1 GB, swap), is that ok? hehe this my classic question.. from 1 year ago using linux, i'm still not confidence ;P [10:34] <PurpleMotion> i think i will upgrade kde [10:34] <caller> back [10:34] <caller> Please, I _really_ need some help guys... [10:35] <DaSkreech> Is there a way to auto detect a newly attached file system? [10:35] <CyberMad> caller have you tried #linux in dal.net or efnet ? i believe there are big community there [10:36] <nikkia> CyberMad: it should be fine [10:37] <CyberMad> nikkia thanks.. [10:38] <CyberMad> 58% remaining... my first kubuntu installation ;) [10:40] <dazjorz> Hey um [10:40] <dazjorz> I forgot what I wanted to ask again :) [10:40] <CyberMad> dazjorz ya? [10:40] <CyberMad> ... [10:41] <dazjorz> Oh yes [10:41] <dazjorz> I've tried to run a graphical program in a virtual environment in a VNC program [10:41] <dazjorz> still with me ? ;) [10:41] <dazjorz> Ok,.. [10:41] <dazjorz> now the program isn't starting... [10:41] <dazjorz> the program is cedega [10:43] <dazjorz> i've got this file .vncrc in my ~ [10:43] <dazjorz> containing: [10:43] <dazjorz> $vncStartup = "/root/.vnc/xstartup"; [10:43] <dazjorz> that /root/.vnc/xstartup contains: [10:43] <dazjorz> #!/bin/sh [10:43] <dazjorz> # run a minimal xwindows manager [10:43] <dazjorz> /usr/bin/oroborus & [10:43] <dazjorz> # Start wine [10:43] <dazjorz> cedega ~/.transgaming/c_drive/wowserver/TrayWoWemu.exe [10:44] <dazjorz> but it's not starting [10:45] <PurpleMotion> try giving it an absolute path [10:45] <CyberMad> sigh,.. i almost forgot [10:45] <PurpleMotion> cedega /home/you/.transgaming/c_drive/wowserver/TrayWoWemu.exe [10:45] <CyberMad> do i must install the ms windows first before linux installation? i want to use dreamcodes crossoffice [10:45] <dazjorz> no, /root/ [10:46] <PurpleMotion> root? [10:46] <CyberMad> sorry, CodeWeavers CrossOver [10:46] <dazjorz> PurpleMotion: Well, in the logs, there is a program like that [10:46] <PurpleMotion> CyberMad: no, you dont need to have windows installed for cxoffice to work [10:46] <dazjorz> PurpleMotion: In the logs, I see a message of Cedega [10:47] <dazjorz> PurpleMotion: So Cedega itself is starting [10:47] <dazjorz> PurpleMotion: this is what it outputs: [10:47] <dazjorz> is it okay to paste more then 1 line here ? [10:47] <dazjorz> i mean, nobodies talking [10:47] <PurpleMotion> dazjorz: and check your capitalization along the path you specify, cause everything int he *nix world is case sensitive [10:47] <PurpleMotion> *I* dont care, but you could just as well use a pastebin (http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl) [10:48] <CyberMad> PurpleMotion so where do i have to install like Macromedia Flash MX ? [10:48] <dazjorz> by the way,... mounting an ISO isn't working. [10:48] <dazjorz> because I'm trying to get it working in WINE [10:48] <dazjorz> (Cedega) [10:48] <dazjorz> and it asks for a CD [10:48] <dazjorz> so I mount the CD to a drive [10:48] <dazjorz> i mean, mount the ISO to a folder [10:48] <dazjorz> and then it doesn't work. [10:48] <dazjorz> how do I like ADD a drive in Cedega? [10:49] <PurpleMotion> CyberMad: after you install cw cxoffice, you run "CrossOver Setup" and there is an option to install apps. Click it, then click "Install unsupported software", then click the third option, and point it to FL_Client_Setup.exe [10:49] <CyberMad> ok got that :) [10:49] <CyberMad> thanks [10:50] <CyberMad> it's different with wine that i have tried about 1 years ago [10:50] <CyberMad> from wine i can load an exe from windows partition.. like minesweeper, notepad [10:51] <PurpleMotion> you can do that with crossover's wine as well, you just have o do it manually [10:53] <CyberMad> ok [10:54] <dazjorz> *asks his question again [10:54] <dazjorz> How do I ADD a drive in Cedega ? [10:55] <PurpleMotion> oh my bad, didnt see the first [10:55] <PurpleMotion> i dunno [10:55] <PurpleMotion> dont use cedega [10:56] <PurpleMotion> brb, need to restart kde [10:56] <dazjorz> PurpleMotion: Uhm,.. How do I run WoW then, if I don't use Cedega [10:56] <CyberMad> i belive linux don't need a restart :P [10:57] <dazjorz> PurpleMotion: Uhm,... How do I run WoW then, if I don't use Cedega... [10:57] <dazjorz> Oh BTW [10:58] <dazjorz> is there some way to write to an NTFS partition? [10:58] <CyberMad> samba ? [11:02] <dazjorz> CyberMad: Dual boot . [11:02] <dazjorz> Sorry, gtg. Bye [11:04] <PurpleMotion> well, kuser works now :) [11:04] <PurpleMotion> 3.4.2 seems kinda nice [11:04] <PurpleMotion> whats new in it? [11:06] <jpatrick> bug fixes [11:07] <PurpleMotion> right on [11:14] <CyberMad_at_Kubu> test [11:14] <CyberMad_at_Kubu> successed! [11:15] <CyberMad_at_Kubu> what is the best irc client in linux? [11:15] <judax> I like kvric and konversation [11:16] <yudi> how about xChat? [11:16] <judax> it is quite good, I just like the other two better, personal thing I guess [11:17] <judax> irssi is very good, but it is console-based, very powerful [11:17] <yudi> ok, thanks :) [11:17] <PieD> yudi: if you use (and like) KDE, then Konversation is a good choice [11:17] <PieD> if you prefer gnome, then xchat [11:17] <yudi> so xChat doesn't run in KDE ? [11:18] <judax> yeah, xchat or irssi would be my choice in gnome. I do run a gnome box and I use either one of those [11:18] <judax> it will run [11:18] <judax> in kde [11:18] <yudi> maybe i will install mirc [11:19] <yudi> with CrossOver [11:19] <judax> ah, no need to do that [11:19] <judax> :) [11:19] <yudi> because i need the script [11:20] <judax> I see, losing lots of scripting is tuff [11:20] <judax> yudi: you need scripting *capability* or you need mirc *scripts*? [11:21] <yudi> what do you mean with "tuff" ? i don't speak english very well [11:21] <yudi> mirc *scripts* [11:21] <c0rrupt_> im having a little trouble with kubuntu, it seems that i cannot connect to servers running on my comp localy but others can. anyone have any ideas? [11:21] <judax> tough [11:22] <c0rrupt_> proftpd [11:22] <c0rrupt_> nessus [11:22] <c0rrupt_> they both worked at one point [11:22] <judax> c0rrupt_: sorry, I don't have any experience with those two [11:23] <c0rrupt_> wow wierd [11:23] <c0rrupt_> i typed in my wan ip and it worked [11:23] <c0rrupt_> "localhost" doesnt work [11:23] <c0rrupt_> yet 129.44.215.123 does [11:23] <judax> hmm, that is strange [11:24] <c0rrupt_> its not listening to localhost apprently [11:25] <yudi> have you check your nameserver configuration? [11:25] <yudi> try 127.0.0.1 [11:25] <c0rrupt_> ? [11:25] <c0rrupt_> i did [11:26] <yudi> does it worked? [11:26] <c0rrupt_> no [11:26] <c0rrupt_> aparently they arnt listening on localhost [11:26] <c0rrupt_> which is very strange [11:26] <c0rrupt_> only extenrally [11:26] <yudi> can you ping the 127.0.0.1 ? [11:26] <yudi> what is the result? [11:27] <c0rrupt_> no reply [11:27] <yudi> wait,... [11:28] <c0rrupt_> yea [11:28] <yudi> i don't remember what is no reply mean in ping [11:28] <yudi> brb check google [11:30] <c0rrupt_> going to try something [11:30] <c0rrupt_> brb [11:32] <c0rrupt_> * Reconfiguring network interfaces... [fail] [11:32] <c0rrupt_> that happens at boot [11:32] <c0rrupt_> and when i run networking restart [11:33] <yudi> so you can ping other computers, right? [11:34] <c0rrupt_> yup [11:34] <c0rrupt_> * Reconfiguring network interfaces... [fail] [11:34] <c0rrupt_> that happens at boot [11:34] <c0rrupt_> and when i run [11:34] <c0rrupt_> networking restart [11:34] <yudi> using what interface? [11:34] <yudi> using what network interface? [11:34] <c0rrupt_> all? [11:34] <c0rrupt_> /etc/init.d/networking restart [11:34] <zAo^> (tried stop ; start?) [11:34] <pax> c0rrupt_: paste /etc/network/interfaces to some pastebin [11:35] <zAo^> (DHCP? If so, try "sudp dhclient eth0') [11:35] <c0rrupt_> permision denied? [11:35] <static> i don't recall being asked for a root password when i installed kubuntu. am i expected to sudo everything as a regular user or did i miss it? (i note that i can sudo su, though ;) [11:35] <zAo^> sudo [11:35] <c0rrupt_> im on wlan0 [11:35] <pax> c0rrupt_: have to be root, use sudo [11:35] <c0rrupt_> lo doesnt work [11:35] <c0rrupt_> i am root [11:35] <yudi> i mean, are you only use 1 ethernet card ? [11:36] <c0rrupt_> im using wlan0 [11:36] <c0rrupt_> thats it [11:36] <c0rrupt_> eth0 and lo are present [11:36] <yudi> sorry can't help... i never use WLAN :P [11:36] <c0rrupt_> its nOT WLAN RELATED [11:36] <c0rrupt_> =P [11:36] <c0rrupt_> something fucked with "lo" [11:36] <zAo^> sorry, didnt follow your prob. You use dhcp? [11:37] <c0rrupt_> ...... [11:37] <c0rrupt_> sigh [11:37] <pax> c0rrupt_: what do you have in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname ? [11:38] <c0rrupt_> hostname is kubuntu [11:38] <c0rrupt_> and [11:38] <c0rrupt_> hosts [11:38] <c0rrupt_> is [11:38] <c0rrupt_> 27.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost kubuntu [11:38] <c0rrupt_> 1* [11:38] <yudi> ok i guess there is firewall blocked your ping to your l0 [11:39] <yudi> because there is no reply :| [11:39] <c0rrupt_> i have no firewall [11:40] <pax> delete kubuntu from that line and add a line with your IP kubuntu.yourdomain.whatever kubuntu [11:40] <yudi> i hope pax solution can help you.. [11:41] <c0rrupt_> ? [11:41] <c0rrupt_> delete kubuntu.. [11:41] <c0rrupt_> add what? [11:41] <c0rrupt_> wan ip.. local ip.. lan ip.. ?????????// [11:41] <pax> take the word 'kubuntu' from 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost kubuntu [11:42] <c0rrupt_> mk [11:42] <c0rrupt_> now [11:43] <pax> add this line bellow 129.44.215.123 kubuntu.c0rrupt.hehe kubuntu [11:43] <c0rrupt_> .hehe [11:43] <c0rrupt_> lol [11:43] <pax> you said you are not behind a rounter, right? [11:44] <pax> router* [11:44] <c0rrupt_> im behind a router [11:44] <c0rrupt_> my lan ip 192.168.1.101 [11:44] <pax> and when you ping google.com? [11:45] <c0rrupt_> works fine [11:45] <pax> restart network now [11:46] <c0rrupt_> fails [11:46] <pax> /etc/init.d/networking restart fails? [11:46] <c0rrupt_> yes [11:47] <pax> can you restart if you do 192.168.1.101 kubuntu.c0rrupt.hehe kubuntu [11:47] <c0rrupt_> ok [11:48] <c0rrupt_> fail [11:48] <pax> nikkia should help you with this one [11:48] <c0rrupt_> hello nikkia [11:48] <yudi> do you use iwconfig eth0 or ifconfig eth0? when using gentoo with WLAN use iwconfig [11:48] <nikkia> yudi, they do differen't things [11:48] <yudi> but i don't know with kubuntu [11:48] <c0rrupt_> im having a little trouble with lo [11:48] <nikkia> iwconfig = set WLAN parameters, ifconfig = set interface parameters [11:49] <c0rrupt_> i cannot do anything locally [11:49] <c0rrupt_> i cannot ping localhost [11:49] <c0rrupt_> i cannot connect to servers that are local [11:49] <c0rrupt_> but wan connections work fine [11:50] <c0rrupt_> and, restarting the network returns a fail [11:51] <nikkia> erm, c0rrupt_, did you say you're on wlan ? [11:51] <c0rrupt_> yes [11:51] <c0rrupt_> ma'am [11:51] <nikkia> *some* wireless routers block ICMP [11:51] <c0rrupt_> well [11:51] <yudi> 0_o [11:51] <c0rrupt_> it wouldnt block ping 127.0.0.1 [11:51] <c0rrupt_> AND [11:51] <c0rrupt_> it worked fine 2 days ago [11:51] <tenco> hi [11:51] <nikkia> c0rrupt_: ah, hmm [11:51] <c0rrupt_> indeed [11:51] <nikkia> c0rrupt_: tried rebooting the router? [11:51] <c0rrupt_> ... [11:51] <c0rrupt_> nien [11:51] <c0rrupt_> ? [11:51] <tenco> kcontrol trashes /etc/network/interfaces [11:51] <c0rrupt_> why would my router block [11:52] <c0rrupt_> localhost [11:52] <nikkia> c0rrupt_: try it, you never know [11:52] <c0rrupt_> that makes no sense [11:52] <c0rrupt_> ;\ [11:52] <c0rrupt_> i can ping everything else [11:52] <yudi> can you do ping from other computer to your computer? [11:52] <c0rrupt_> yea [11:53] <c0rrupt_> and other people are using my servers right now [11:53] <c0rrupt_> people on wan [11:53] <pax> I was thinking hostname problem nikkia [11:53] <nikkia> you dont' have an iptables rule blocking icmp, do you ? [11:53] <c0rrupt_> no [11:53] <c0rrupt_> i have no firewall [11:53] <c0rrupt_> its not just icmp [11:53] <nikkia> pax, i get the impression he used the IP address [11:53] <c0rrupt_> its all local connections [11:53] <yudi> i believe there is something block your ping (packet source: your IP) [11:54] <c0rrupt_> . [11:54] <c0rrupt_> yudi [11:54] <c0rrupt_> i could careless about the pings [11:54] <c0rrupt_> my local interface must be down [11:55] <yudi> just imho.. [11:56] <c0rrupt_> ? [11:56] <pax> I dunno about WLAN, do you have something in /etc/network/interfaces ? [11:57] <c0rrupt_> ? [11:57] <c0rrupt_> yes [11:57] <c0rrupt_> lots? [11:57] <pax> show me please, in pastebin [11:58] <c0rrupt_> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1343 [11:59] <pax> iface eth0 inet <- what's this you have a second interface? [11:59] <c0rrupt_> its just my ethernet [11:59] <c0rrupt_> its not plugged in.. [11:59] <pax> iface eth0 inet static <- add 'static' there [11:59] <pax> oh never mind then [11:59] <c0rrupt_> yea [11:59] <c0rrupt_> im not using it [12:00] <pax> c0rrupt_: hotplug is giving you that error at boot because of that, that's one. either take the entry from there or add static [12:01] <yudi> looks live will be solved :) [12:01] <yudi> looks like will be solved :) [12:01] <c0rrupt_> hm ok? [12:01] <pax> restart networking now see what happens [12:01] <pax> not that it's relevant [12:01] <yudi> .... [12:02] <c0rrupt_> ok [12:02] <pax> so, is it restarting? [12:02] <tenco> kcontrol trashes /etc/network/interfaces, is this a known bug? [12:02] <c0rrupt_> wow [12:02] <yudi> can't wait to know the result [12:02] <c0rrupt_> worked [12:02] <c0rrupt_> let me ping myself [12:02] <pax> tenco I believe so. [12:02] <c0rrupt_> damn thanks [12:02] <c0rrupt_> it works! [12:02] <pax> c0rrupt_: good for you [12:02] <c0rrupt_> no [12:02] <c0rrupt_> good for you [12:03] <c0rrupt_> =D [12:03] <pax> hehe [12:03] <yudi> great job pax [12:03] <c0rrupt_> what did you fix? [12:03] <pax> it was a wild shot [12:03] <pax> c0rrupt_: you just had that 'static' missing there I guess [12:03] <c0rrupt_> lmfao [12:03] <c0rrupt_> thanks [12:03] <c0rrupt_> <3 lady luck [12:03] <pax> iface eth0 inet <- can't be like that has to be either static or dhcp [12:05] <yudi> new knowledge for me... [12:05] <c0rrupt_> same [12:05] <c0rrupt_> i know why it worked before [12:05] <c0rrupt_> because i had to use ethernet before i got my wlan0 going [12:05] <pax> the interface wanst there? [12:05] <c0rrupt_> do dl drivers [12:05] <c0rrupt_> but this time [12:05] <c0rrupt_> when i reformated [12:05] <c0rrupt_> i went straight to wlan0 [12:05] <c0rrupt_> so i never changed eth0 do use dhcp [12:06] <pax> c0rrupt_: alright, so go break something else and come back atleast this wans't a question about sudo or repos [12:06] <c0rrupt_> LOL [12:06] <c0rrupt_> well [12:06] <c0rrupt_> i had to format because i fucked over my repos [12:06] <c0rrupt_> =P [12:07] <c0rrupt_> but i bothered the people in #ubuntu about that [12:07] <c0rrupt_> hahah [12:07] <yudi> brb [12:07] <zAo^> any xMule QT based clients???

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2024-05-13T23:20:38.507636

2005-08-22-#kubuntu-devel

[10:36] <pef> hello [10:44] <pef> nearly every i-18n package is empty, should I fill a bug report for each of them ? [11:02] <allee> pef: I would check uploader and bug him first on #ubuntu-* (pitti??) [11:10] <pef> Riddell-awa: hi, most kde-i18n-* packages are missing lot of files [01:10] <hunger> Is kde working properly in breezy for someone? [01:29] <verwilst> Riddell-awa: pingeling [04:09] <tenco> ive found a bug within kde [04:10] <tenco> should i report this to kubunut bugtracking or kde? [04:10] <tenco> bcause hoary kde is version 3.4.0 [04:10] <jpatrick> no [04:11] <jpatrick> Hoary's current KDE is 3.4.2 [04:11] <verwilst> tenco: add the repository on kubuntu.org [04:11] <verwilst> tenco: upgrade [04:11] <verwilst> tenco: check if bug is still present [04:11] <verwilst> if yes -> submit bug to bugs.kde.org ;) [04:11] <verwilst> if no -> relax [04:12] <jpatrick> have fun [04:12] <jpatrick> ;) [04:12] <tenco> so http://de.archive.ubuntu.com rep is outdated? [04:13] <jpatrick> read: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php [04:13] <tenco> is this supported? [04:14] <jpatrick> yes [04:14] <tenco> ok, thanks [04:15] <tenco> uhm, i have a dpkg --configure hanging there, probably waiting for input [04:15] <tenco> put kynaptic seems not to handle these, or? [04:16] <jpatrick> ? [04:16] <jpatrick> just do: apt-get upgrade OR apt-get dist-upgrade [04:16] <tenco> no, i was installing leafnode [04:17] <tenco> and kynaptic waited for dpkg to return forever [04:18] <tenco> kynaptic seems very alpha, btw [04:22] <tenco> is it a problem when the packages cannot be authenticated? [04:23] <tenco> .oO(perhaps i should ask this on #kubuntu...) [04:25] <jpatrick> it's not a problem [04:27] <jpatrick> jusy type Y then press enter [04:27] <tenco> ok [07:42] <hunger> Does kexi work for someone? Fails with 'can't load driver ""' here. [07:43] <hunger> Do I miss a driver? The postgres one is not installable at all, the mdb one is not available in the archives. [07:47] <jpatrick> Kexi = unstable [08:38] <hunger> jpatrick: I expect "unstable" from kexi, but unstable != does not even start properly. [08:43] <hunger> Why does konqui *never* ask for passwords anymore?! [08:43] <hunger> Maybe that is because my wallets are gone again? [10:02] <Verwilst> Riddell-awa: still no go with that unsermake error :( [10:02] <Verwilst> been talking to coolo the whole evening now :p [10:45] <Riddell-awa> Verwilst: try this patch http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/kubuntu_07_korganiser_libraries.diff [10:45] <Riddell-awa> and run unsermake -f Makefil [10:45] <Riddell-awa> and run unsermake -f admin/Makefile.common after [10:45] <\sh> Riddell-awa: ahhh..u r awake :) did amu reached u? [10:46] <Riddell-awa> \sh: only briefly awake. he didn't [10:46] <\sh> Riddell-awa: i just talked to him yesterday...he tried to reach u... [10:46] <\sh> or he wanted to phone u [10:47] <Verwilst> Riddell-awa: that just changes the order of some files? [10:47] <Verwilst> Riddell-awa: btw, coolo was nagging that we should update unsermake in kubuntu ;) [10:48] <Riddell-awa> Verwilst: did he say why? [11:53] <tenco> kcontrol trashes /etc/network/interfaces [11:53] <tenco> and evms segfaults... [11:53] <tenco> is this known?

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2024-05-13T23:20:38.521351

2005-08-12-#ubuntu-meeting

[09:04] <fabbione> doko: i solved the gettext problem.... [09:04] <fabbione> it was gcc-4.0 not updated... [09:04] <fabbione> in the chroot [09:04] <fabbione> thanks a lot for the hint [09:06] <doko> one problem less :-) [09:10] <fabbione> we really need to get binutils fixed on sparc :(

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2024-05-13T23:20:38.526420

2005-08-12-#ubuntu-toolchain

[12:20] <lamont> glibc patch inbound from patofiero [12:20] <lamont> jbailey: debian and ubuntu will want it.. :-( [12:52] <lamont> fabbione: fwiw, this appears to be "the librsvg2" bug that I've been hitting [01:19] <jbailey> lamont: Sounds lovely. [01:20] <jbailey> Ooo, good timing for being back at the terminal. [01:20] <jbailey> debhelper pass for gcc-4.0 [01:20] <jbailey> Perhaps I got the biarch stuff right on the first pass for it. =) [01:22] <jbailey> Or not. *sigh* No lib64gcc1. [01:25] <lamont> jbailey: patch is trivial: comment out glibc234-hppa-remove-mallocdef [01:25] <lamont> test builds running now [01:25] <jbailey> lamont: Thanks for taking care of it. [01:25] <lamont> well, patofiero is doing a debian build, and I'm doing a breezy build [01:25] <lamont> you want I should upload once I finish testing? [01:26] <lamont> patch only modifies linuxthreads/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/hppa/malloc-machine.h, so I think the other architectures are safe. :-) [01:27] <jbailey> No, please don't. [01:27] <jbailey> I'm in the middle of working up the biarch toolchain for amd64. [01:27] <jbailey> My glibc is basically set at this point, so if I can avoid rerunning it, I'd rather. [01:27] <jbailey> I just need to do gcc-4.0 and then I can hand it to you. [01:31] <jbailey> YAR, found the spot that I missed. [01:32] <jbailey> I am in a maze of twisty debian/rules files, all alike. [01:36] <jbailey> Will run the testsuite with -m64: yes [01:36] <jbailey> Much better. [01:36] <jbailey> Back in another 3 hours, I guess. [01:44] <lamont> jbailey: ah, ok. your soon-to-be-biarch upload will comment out the patch I loathe as well? (assuming that my testing says so)? [02:04] <jbailey> lamont: I guess it can easily enough. [02:04] <jbailey> I had hoped for a no-op upload, but if it's important. [02:05] <jbailey> I have to repeat this process for amd64/i386 biarich right after, too [04:56] <jbailey> Hmph [04:56] <jbailey> gcc-4.0 doesn't b uild in 64 bit mode. Too drunk to fix it now: [04:57] <jbailey> /tmp/gcc-4.0/gcc-4.0-4.0.1/build/gcc/xgcc -B/tmp/gcc-4.0/gcc-4.0-4.0.1/build/gcc/ -B/usr/i486-linux-gnu/bin/ -B/usr/i486-linux-gnu/lib/ -isystem /usr/i486-linux-gnu/include -isystem /usr/i486-linux-gnu/sys-include -m64 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../../../src/libmudflap -I. -Wall -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -O2 -g -O2 -m64 -MT mf-runtime.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/mf-runtime.Tpo -c ../../../../src/libmudflap/mf-runtime. [04:57] <jbailey> c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/mf-runtime.o [04:57] <jbailey> ../../../../src/libmudflap/mf-runtime.c:167: error: conflicting types for '__mf_lc_mask' [04:57] <jbailey> ../../../../src/libmudflap/mf-runtime.h:19: error: previous declaration of '__mf_lc_mask' was here [04:57] <jbailey> I'll try in the morning. =) [05:17] <lamont> jbailey: the bug in question is blocking a whole bunch of packages [05:17] <lamont> in both debian and ubuntu [05:17] <lamont> and wedges the buildd outside of timeouts when it trips... [05:20] <lamont> jbailey: dropping that patch fixes the issue. could you upload it, and also push through getting the same change in debian? Want a grave bug to use? [05:22] <lamont> meanwhile, I have this crontab entry that I really don't like.... [05:22] <lamont> 0 */3 * * * sudo killall -9 gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders >/dev/null 2>&1 [08:52] <fabbione> the amount of packages that come out of that are impressive.. [08:52] <fabbione> but that would be great fun :) [09:04] <doko> jbailey: just disable the 64bit mudflap at the moment, we don't have it packaged anyway [10:34] <doko> jbailey: [10:34] <doko> @@ -93,7 +93,7 @@ [10:34] <doko> > debian/$(p_l64gcc).substvars [10:34] <doko> else [10:34] <doko> ifeq ($(DEB_TARGET_ARCH),i386) [10:34] <doko> - echo 'shlibs:Depends=amd64-libs (>= 0.1)' \ [10:34] <doko> + echo 'shlibs:Depends=libc6-amd64-dev (>= 2.3.5-1ubuntu8)' \ [10:34] <doko> > debian/$(p_l64gcc).substvars [10:34] <doko> else [10:34] <doko> ifeq ($(DEB_TARGET_ARCH),powerpc) [10:35] <doko> should be libc6-amd64, not libc6-amd64-dev. the version isn't really needed [11:38] <doko> -- Jeff Bailey <doko@ubuntu.com> Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:06:44 +0000 [11:39] <doko> split personality ... [02:28] <doko> Unpacking libglu1-mesa-dev (from .../libglu1-mesa-dev_6.2.1-5ubuntu4_i386.deb) ... [02:28] <doko> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) [02:28] <doko> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault. [02:28] <doko> apt-get failed. [02:28] <doko> Package installation failed [02:28] <doko> lamont, infinity: ^^^ during the openoffice.org build on i386 [04:44] <jbailey> doko: Yeah, I saw the email address, apparently dch coudoln't figure mine out in the chroot so assumed the same one as before. =) [04:45] <jbailey> Thanks for the other two hints. [04:45] <doko> jbailey: I sent you an email about the merged stuff [04:45] <jbailey> lamont: Will regen with that patch. [04:46] <jbailey> doko: Cool, thanks. [04:46] <jbailey> I've just crawled out of bed, so I'm moving a bigt slowly. [04:54] <jbailey> doko: Cool, so I'll grab the gcc-3.4 from chinstrap then. [04:55] <doko> jbailey: yes please. but don't grab the new bugs introduced in the package ;) [04:56] <jbailey> Err> [04:56] <jbailey> I'm still waking up and am a bit hung over. What do I need to do? =) [04:59] <doko> jbailey: just grab the diff.gz. [05:00] <doko> the diff that you sent me didn't include the amd64 biarch support (only the i386) [08:45] <jbailey> doko: Right. So the amd64 will ftbfs until I do the matching changes there. [08:45] <jbailey> That's no big deal, though [09:10] <lamont> jbailey: I'm unleashing hppa's buildd with a glibc that you will hopefully supersede soon [09:12] <doko> lamont: pleasse could you have a look at the openoffice.org build failure on i386? [09:15] <lamont> doko: thanks [09:16] <lamont> fixed, 3 packages given back [09:20] <lamont> doko: you looked at isdnutils recently? [09:20] <lamont> oh, nm [09:21] <jbailey> lamont: Ubuntu? Is there a new glibc? [09:21] <lamont> jbailey: you're going to upload a new glibc to ubuntu shortly, yes? [09:22] <lamont> so I dropped my local build into place (...ubuntu7hppa1) with confidence that ubuntu8 would arrive sometime in the next day or so... right? [09:22] <lamont> and yes, ubunut [09:22] <lamont> debian is still playing roulette [09:23] <lamont> and would you like me to file a bug against glibc/debian? [09:32] <jbailey> Please. [09:33] <jbailey> Yes, I have ubuntu8 ready, I'll drop that patch and respin it when I do my final verify builds. [09:33] <jbailey> I'm going to get back to doing the gcc-4.0 builds now for i386/amd64 [09:35] <jbailey> Hmm. I wonder if elmo would consider nfs mounting chinstrap home dirs onto all the other directories. [09:35] <jbailey> It's such a pain in the ass to move files between machines. [09:39] <doko> lamont: it's still the empty xutils [09:49] <jbailey> doko: Hmm. What's the best way to disable 64 bit mudflap only? It doesn't look like you have it differentiated for 32 and 64 bit passes at all. [09:49] <jbailey> And I don't see how to set with_madflap := no for only onepass. [09:49] <jbailey> Oh. [09:49] <jbailey> Duh [09:50] <jbailey> In rules.d/binary-libmudflap.mk you mention with_lib64mudflap [09:50] <doko> debian/patches/i386-config-ml.dpatch: remove the mudflap line [09:52] <doko> or better: make a new patch i386-config-ml-nomf, we need the current one for debian [09:54] <jbailey> Ah, doing with_lib64mudflap := no, doesn't add --diable-mudflap [09:54] <jbailey> I had hoped it would. [09:55] <doko> yes, because this disables the normal build as well [09:55] <jbailey> Right. [09:56] <jbailey> Becase it's actual multilibs, not two build passes. [09:56] <jbailey> If mudflap building in 64 bit mode on Debian right now then? [09:57] <doko> it does build, for getting saner testresults. it's not yet packaged [09:57] <jbailey> Right, but I'm curious then why it's not even building for me. [09:58] <jbailey> I want to make sure that it's not some side effect of something I did wrong elsewher ein the biarch setup. [10:00] <doko> yep, not all the runtime libraries are setup to be correctly built as biarch, the C++ includes are one case ... [10:05] <jbailey> So should I make a complete copy of that config and only included it for Ubuntu? [10:05] <jbailey> Looking at the code, I don't see how this builds on Debian. [10:05] <jbailey> It looks like I could possibly just take this line out of the i386-config-ml patch: [10:05] <jbailey> + *"libmudflap" ) multidirs="${multidirs} ${x}" ;; [10:08] <doko> yes, correct [10:09] <doko> it builds on Debian (at least it did with glibc-2.3.2 and amd64-libs-dev) [10:10] <jbailey> Hmm [10:10] <jbailey> The header file that's being complained about is wrapped if #ifndef _MUDFLAP, and I wonder if the newer glibc causes that to not be defined. [10:10] <jbailey> But that looks sufficiently minor. [10:10] <jbailey> Or might be some side effect of building this with gcc-3.4 [10:21] <doko> probably the latter, why don't you use the just built compiler? build/gcc/xgcc -Bbuild/gcc/ ? [10:21] <jbailey> I'd have assumed that it would have [10:22] <jbailey> But I know that occasioanlly things get confused. I have /usr/bin/gcc symlinked to gcc-3.4 right now until I get this biarch gcc-4 built. [10:22] <jbailey> I'll try it without this patch once I have a working version. [10:22] <doko> or: make -C build maybe-all-target-libmudflap, but remove the libmudflap directory first [11:12] <jbailey> lamont: BTW, did you test removing that patch on the other archs? [11:12] <jbailey> Oh, I see. it's hppa only. [11:12] <jbailey> Easy enough then. =)

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2024-05-13T23:20:38.532121

2005-08-12-#ubuntu-motu

[12:07] <siretart> if you think that debian has all changes we need, sure [12:07] <siretart> hi daniel [12:07] <dholbach> hi [12:07] <dholbach> hi reinhard [12:07] <mbreit> hi dholbach [12:07] <dholbach> hi moritz :) [12:08] <seth_k> I claim a moral victory [12:08] <mbreit> dholbach: sorry, i meant "hi daniel" ;)) [12:08] <dholbach> don't worry :) [12:12] <gradzac> can someone help me with dpatch-edit-patch? [12:12] <dholbach> gradzac: what's going wrong? [12:13] <dholbach> gradzac: maybe http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7 does help? :) [12:13] <gradzac> I try to create a new patch and it dies with "make: *** No rule to make target `unpatch'. Stop. " [12:13] <gradzac> dholbach: I'm using that page :) [12:14] <mbreit> gradzac: read that page again ;) you missed something ;) [12:14] <mbreit> gradzac: i asked exactly that question some days ago... and found out, that i did not read that page properly ;) [12:14] <dholbach> gradzac: compare to files in /usr/share/doc/dpatch/examples or something [12:15] <dholbach> you have to add the unpatch-stamp target somewhere - i just applied the changes to a debian/rules some minutes ago :) [12:17] <gradzac> I missed the part about including the dpatch make rules [12:17] <gradzac> I guess I assumed since the package already had a bunch of patches that was already done [12:18] <dholbach> does it use cdbs? [12:18] <dholbach> something about simple-patchsys in debian/rules? [12:18] <gradzac> it is bluez-utils [12:18] <gradzac> dholbach: yes [12:18] <dholbach> gradzac: then you don't need dpatch [12:18] <dholbach> use cdbs-edit-patch instead [12:18] <gradzac> ok [12:19] <dholbach> it's the same and you can use it, if you have cdbs around [12:19] <dholbach> "the same" [12:21] <gradzac> dholbach: thanks, that works as well [12:21] <dholbach> super [12:21] <dholbach> now at least you learned both methods :) [12:22] <gradzac> and I now how to tell them apart :) [12:22] <gradzac> r/now/how [12:22] <gradzac> grr...know [12:23] <mbreit> gradzac: and sorry for my useless answer... i just start thinking ;) [12:23] <gradzac> mbreit: np :) [12:25] <siretart> gn8, folks [12:25] <gradzac> nite siretart [12:26] <mbreit> n8 siretart [12:28] <dholbach> bye reinhard [12:34] <dholbach> can somebody look at http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=298 and tell me why i get that cracked up lintian warning? [12:34] <dholbach> the first one - the second one is just stupid lintian on crack again :) [12:37] <mbreit> dholbach: try to remove the space in line 60 [12:37] <mbreit> that should fix every lintian error... [12:37] <dholbach> alright, *has a look* [12:38] <dholbach> mbreit: you're a genius! [12:38] <mbreit> thanks ;)) [12:43] <dholbach> hub: did anybody talk to you about your packages already? [12:43] <Mez> tseng: ping [12:43] <hub> dholbach: no [12:43] <hub> I uploaded them today [12:44] <dholbach> hub: i had a brief look at hugin and the conversation about dpatch above might be interesting for you as well [12:44] <hub> yeah [12:44] <dholbach> i only added some brief comments to hugin, not much, but i'll try to catch up [12:44] <hub> I switched to CDBS [12:44] <dholbach> oh rocking [12:44] <dholbach> cdbs is lovely [12:44] <hub> and actually one of the patches I applied is no longer needed [12:44] <hub> looks like gcc4 got fixed [12:45] <Mez> dholbach, wanna do one of your scathing reviews for me? [12:45] <dholbach> even better, even smaller diff to review :) [12:45] <hub> yeah [12:45] <dholbach> Mez: scathing? [12:45] <hub> I sent the patch utstream when I did it, never heard from them [12:45] <dholbach> Mez: am i that bad? [12:45] <Mez> dholbach, yes - but you know what I mean ;) [12:45] <dholbach> hub: you're not the only one :) [12:45] <Mez> dholbach, http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=308 [12:46] <hub> dholbach: yeah [12:46] <dholbach> Mez: i'll dive into it [12:46] <hub> I should check in ubuntu all the patches for software I "maintain" upstream [12:46] <Mez> dholbach, ? [12:46] <dholbach> Mez: have a look into it :) [12:46] <hub> to make sure they are [12:47] <Mez> ah ty dholbach [12:47] <dholbach> hub: or push the maintainer to package a new release [12:47] <dholbach> hub: as a package maintainer you're always grateful to get nudged about serious issues from upstream [12:47] <hub> dholbach: yeah, that too. [12:47] <hub> dholbach: like abiword that stayed in 2.2.2 whil we were release 2.2.6 [12:48] <hub> and stuff like that :-/ [12:48] <dholbach> hub: the problem is always introducing new features late in the distro release schedule [12:48] <dholbach> hub: if the changes are "merely" fixes, they should go in [12:49] <Mez> dholbach, poke me when done please [12:50] <dholbach> take your time :) [12:50] <hub> dholbach: yeah. but in the case of AbiWord for exemple, it is really bug fixes... Our release policy is somewhat strict [12:50] <dholbach> i see [12:51] <dholbach> well then you should have poked :) [12:51] <hub> when shall I request the packaging to Debian ? when the package is uploaded or now ? [12:51] <hub> dholbach: seb128 made me CC in bugzilla for abiword. that's a good start :-) [12:51] <dholbach> erm... you mean for hugin now? [12:52] <hub> for hugin yes [12:52] <dholbach> if there's a RFP or ITP you could reply to those bugs and tell them that you are working on them too [12:53] <dholbach> if we have the package approved and in the archive you could announce them to utnubu-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org [12:53] <hub> in bugzilla ? [12:53] <dholbach> at least, that's how i do it [12:53] <dholbach> yes bugs.debian.org [12:53] <dholbach> there are mail adresses attached to the bug [12:53] <hub> mm yeah [12:53] <hub> ok [12:53] <dholbach> so you come up with something definite on the mailing list and announce it and in the other case you just tell the packaging guy that he could get in contact with you [12:53] <dholbach> http://bugs.debian.org/wnpp is the list [12:54] <dholbach> of work needing packages [12:54] <hub> yeah querying that package right now [12:55] <dholbach> super [01:03] <dholbach> Mez: do you have an idea, why the tar.gz on the homepage is 13M and the .srpm just 1.1M? [01:04] <Mez> dholbach, I wish I knew :D [01:04] <dholbach> did you grab from 20050805_1205/ ? [01:06] <dholbach> oh yes, you did, alright [01:07] <gradzac> anyone have any experience with DBus? [01:08] <dholbach> it runs on my system for 2 years now, what do you mean explicitly? :) [01:08] <Mez> dholbach, I grabbed from stable :D [01:08] <dholbach> Mez: ok [01:08] <Mez> it's listed in copyright - I believe [01:09] <dholbach> Mez: then you give me the wrong link there :) [01:09] <Mez> ah [01:09] <Mez> I've given wrong link in copyright [01:10] <Mez> http://ftp.novell.com/pub/forge/ifolder/client/stable/20050608_2016/ [01:10] <gradzac> ever written any code that uses dbus? [01:10] <gradzac> the bluez-utils package used to depend on an older version of dbus and dbus has had an API change :( [01:10] <dholbach> ouch - maybe upstream has something? [01:11] <gradzac> dholbach: I've been searching but nothing yet [01:11] <dholbach> hrm [01:11] <gradzac> I can disable dbus for the build [01:12] <dholbach> gradzac: that's a main package [01:12] <gradzac> or make a patch....I'm having trouble with dbus' typing [01:12] <dholbach> i suggest you talk to the kernel guys or chmj about it - afaik they're hacking on it [01:12] <gradzac> dholbach: I can disable dbus in the bluez-utils build [01:12] <gradzac> so it doesn't depend on dbus [01:12] <mbreit> dholbach: could you rebuild medussa for me? [01:13] <dholbach> mbreit: yes, give me a debdiff with your name on it :) [01:13] <Mez> dholbach, other than the wrong link, it look ok? [01:13] <mbreit> dholbach: okay ;) [01:13] <dholbach> Mez: no, i'm not finished yet [01:13] <Mez> lol [01:13] <dholbach> gradzac: i think dbus is needed alone for the pin-thingie [01:13] <dholbach> gradzac: dbus-pin-helper or something [01:13] <gradzac> dholbach: yes and no, it can use dbus to get a pin, but it has another utility to do that [01:14] <gradzac> the dbus pin helper is probably nicer in gnome [01:14] <dholbach> foot long essay --- haha, that's like the foot long essays on parchment in harry potter :) [01:14] <gradzac> BTW, the hoary package doesn't use dbus by default [01:14] <dholbach> gradzac: as i said, you better talk to chmj - he's working on bluetooth stuff or write him a mail [01:15] <gradzac> k, where do I find his email address? [01:15] <Mez> dholbach, how long is your list so far? [01:15] <mbreit> grr... i hate those config* in debdiffs... [01:15] <dholbach> mbreit: don't worry about it [01:15] <dholbach> gradzac: just a sec [01:16] <dholbach> gradzac: charles at ubuntu.com [01:16] <mbreit> dholbach: http://mo42.ath.cx/medussa.debdiff [01:16] <gradzac> dholbach: thanks [01:17] <dholbach> mbreit: i just finish the review [01:18] <mbreit> dholbach: it does not matte when you upload it... [01:18] <mbreit> +r [01:19] <mbreit> dholbach: then we will see if my adress is whitelisted ;) [01:19] <dholbach> yes [01:20] <dholbach> Mez: done [01:22] <Mez> dholbach, 1) wasnt neccessary, but I felt it was worthwhile [01:22] <dholbach> why? [01:22] <Mez> dholbach, from orig.tar.gzx the changes were CVS removes and remove of config.guess and .sub [01:23] <dholbach> you remove upstream config.guess config.sub? [01:23] <dholbach> better write a harsh mail to upstream about using cvs export instead of cvs checkout instead of hacking an orig.tar.gz together [01:23] <dholbach> i thought we agreed on that in the motu meeting [01:24] <dholbach> this is not a corner case :) [01:24] <Mez> dholbach, I was told that the meeting said changing it for CVS was ok [01:24] <dholbach> i don't think so [01:24] <Mez> and yes I removed upstream config.guess and config.sub mainly cause they were for building on an apple [01:25] <Mez> dholbach, apparently it was deemed appropriate in the meeting [01:25] <dholbach> our config.guess even includes stuff for building on a xbox [01:25] <dholbach> daniel@bert:~/1/medussa-0.8$ grep -i xbox /usr/share/misc/config.* [01:25] <dholbach> /usr/share/misc/config.sub: xbox) [01:25] <dholbach> daniel@bert:~/1/medussa-0.8$ [01:25] <dholbach> :) [01:26] <Mez> dholbach, I'm working on tyhe principle that pulling from the buildd is better.. [01:27] <dholbach> but just removing it is wrong [01:27] <mbreit> dholbach: if i am yet whitelisted, i have a second debdiff for you ;)) [01:27] <dholbach> and therefore changing the orig.tar.gz is double inappropriate [01:27] <Mez> fair enough [01:27] <Mez> I'll add them back in [01:27] <Mez> but the CVS stuff was allowed [01:27] <Mez> yes? [01:28] <dholbach> leave it in and write to upstream please [01:28] <dholbach> lintian will complain but that's ok [01:28] <Mez> dholbach: theres no email for upstream [01:28] <Mez> and bug tracker doesnt work [01:29] <Mez> dholbach, would you be happy with it being in a patch ? [01:29] <dholbach> erm what exactly? the removal? [01:30] <Mez> the CVS removal [01:30] <dholbach> hm, that wouldnt change anything, it wouldnt be considered afaik [01:30] <dholbach> you could try it though [01:30] <Mez> how do you mean [01:30] <Mez> not be considered? [01:30] <Mez> by lintian? [01:31] <dholbach> just leave it in for this release [01:31] <mbreit> Mez: http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfmod/project/?ifolder <- there you will find upstream email adresses, mailing lists, whatever you want ;) [01:31] <dholbach> but you're right about their email [01:31] <dholbach> oh... mbreit spotted it :) [01:32] <mbreit> all announces are written by tbadger at novell.com [01:32] <Mez> ty mbreit [01:33] <Mez> so you still dont like the automake patch dholbach ? [01:33] <dholbach> i dont know why [01:33] <Mez> and dholbach how did you get that error? [01:33] <dholbach> just tried to build it in a pbuilder [01:34] <Mez> weird [01:34] <Mez> mine builds fine [01:34] <dholbach> yeah, it's weird [01:35] <Mez> before it does that it should copy in the .sub and .guess [01:36] <Mez> ah [01:36] <Mez> they're in build not config [01:38] <dholbach> mbreit: next debdiff? :) [01:40] <mbreit> http://mo42.ath.cx/morph.debdiff [01:41] <mbreit> but my email adress seems not to be whitelisted... [01:41] <dholbach> super [01:41] <dholbach> same crack on breezy-changes again? [01:41] <mbreit> it's from Ubuntu Installer <katie@jackass.warthogs.hbd.com> again [01:41] <dholbach> oh that's alright [01:41] <dholbach> if you get the mail that should be fine [01:41] <dholbach> ah no [01:41] <dholbach> sorry [01:42] <Mez> mbreit, have you emailed the hwitelisting address [01:43] <mbreit> yes... [01:43] <mbreit> upload@ubuntulinux.com [01:43] <Mez> fair enough, [01:43] <Mez> ping elmo when you get a chance [01:44] <Mez> he's a busy man though [01:44] <dholbach> your host doesnt seem to be online [01:44] <dholbach> ah no... it#s a 404 [01:44] <mbreit> oh, there a m missing... [01:44] <mbreit> http://mo42.ath.cx/mmorph.debdiff [01:45] <dholbach> ok [01:47] <dholbach> mbreit: it's up [01:47] <mbreit> dholbach: thanks! [01:47] <dholbach> de rien [01:48] <mbreit> but there's one thing i don't understand: if my adress is not whitelisted, why does it accept the packages? [01:48] <dholbach> because i signed with my key :) [01:49] <mbreit> okay, that makes sense [01:49] <gradzac> dholbach: want to upload babytrans and haskell-utils? [01:49] <gradzac> they just need a rebuild [01:50] <dholbach> gradzac: did you talk to elmo already about whitelisting your maliadress? [01:50] <gradzac> no, didn't know I was supposed to [01:50] <dholbach> gradzac: then please do so :) [01:50] <gradzac> ok [01:51] <dholbach> gradzac: they rebuilt nicely for you on breezy and worked well? [01:51] <gradzac> yes, as best as I can test them [01:51] <gradzac> the working part is more of a "it builds and installs" [01:51] <dholbach> because i remember the haskell stuff to be a pain and sistposty was working on it [01:52] <dholbach> gradzac: i'll do it - want to add your own changelog to it? then i'd need a debdiff [01:52] <gradzac> ok, I'll make the debdiffs and let you know where they are [01:52] <dholbach> super [01:52] <dholbach> it's 2 o clock already? [01:53] <dholbach> wow [01:53] <dholbach> i'll do those uploads and be off to bed [01:54] <gradzac> don't wait for me, it will take me awhile to make the diffs [01:54] <gradzac> I'm slow at doing that :) [01:54] <dholbach> no, it's fine [01:54] <dholbach> reading mails [02:00] <mbreit> dholbach: seems like i have another package for you ;) [02:00] <dholbach> ok [02:00] <dholbach> go ahead [02:00] <dholbach> you guys tested that stuff? [02:01] <dholbach> :-) [02:01] <mbreit> i at least test if it runs... [02:01] <dholbach> cool [02:01] <mbreit> i can't test all the functionality of a client for the ms sql-server ;)) [02:01] <Mez> night all [02:02] <Mez> mbreit, MSSQL? [02:02] <dholbach> apt-cache show package is always good to see how the dependency versions changed (if you installed it) [02:02] <Mez> mbreit, of freedts [02:02] <mbreit> dholbach: http://mo42.ath.cx/sqsh.debdiff (this time the right way) [02:03] <mbreit> Mez: apt-cache show sqsh ;) [02:03] <Mez> mbreit: yeah, freetdsd [02:05] <dholbach> mbreit: W: sqsh source: outdated-autotools-helper-file autoconf/config.guess 2001-08-21 :) [02:05] <mbreit> hmm? i did not change anything ;) [02:05] <dholbach> lintian -i *.changes [02:05] <dholbach> uploaded it [02:06] <mbreit> great [02:06] <dholbach> ok... have fun with the buildLogs [02:06] <dholbach> i'll see you around [02:06] <mbreit> i will just wait for the buildd to finish the packages, then i will go to bed, too [02:06] <dholbach> and thanks for the excellent work [02:06] <mbreit> thanks for uploading all my debdiffs ;) [02:06] <dholbach> 02:33 should be the time, shouldnt it? [02:06] <dholbach> de rien :) [02:07] <mbreit> the buildlogs come before that, don't they? [02:07] <mbreit> 2:33 is the time the packages are moved to the archive, at least as far as i understood that... [02:07] <dholbach> ah no... that's for pushing into the archive [02:07] <dholbach> yes [02:08] <dholbach> ok... have fun - i'm off [02:08] <mbreit> good night... see you tomorrow [02:08] <dholbach> we'll see :) [02:09] <mbreit> ;) or next week [02:09] <dholbach> bye moritz, benjamin, hubert :) [02:09] <mbreit> bye [02:09] <gradzac> cya [02:10] <gradzac> i'm taking a break for dinner.... [02:10] <mbreit> gradzac: where do you life? [02:10] <gradzac> Nebraska [02:10] <mbreit> it's 02:10 here ;) time to sleep.... [02:10] <mbreit> oh, ok [02:11] <mbreit> then see you tomorrow... [02:11] <mbreit> (or next week *g*) [03:37] <hub> what is the difference between ITP and RFP in Debian bugs ? [03:38] <hub> ah well, google helped again [03:38] <hub> sorry for the noise [08:43] <highvoltage> what do you mean finally!? it's way before release [08:44] <highvoltage> I think it's only been half-sane to upgrade since last week., [08:44] <crimsun> I've been waiting for xorg to stabilise before dist-upgrading [08:44] <highvoltage> yes, me too. i did it friday :) [08:44] <crimsun> well, it's nice to check that my uploads to Ubuntu actually work in Breezy [08:44] <crimsun> it'd be a shame for all those dputs to be useless [10:12] <ajmitch_> hello all [10:12] <crimsun> re ajmitch_ [10:12] <Burgundavia> salut ajmitch_ [10:12] <ajmitch_> that is not good :) [10:13] <siretart> hi [10:13] <siretart> ajmitch: did I get something wrong? I thought there was some consensus about that? [10:14] <ajmitch> siretart: the consensus that I saw was not to change [10:14] <siretart> damn. [10:15] <siretart> ajmitch: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-August/009441.html [10:15] <ajmitch> it wasn't in the minutes [10:15] <siretart> err, what about that? [10:16] <ajmitch> CVS exports are different from having a tarball that already exists [10:16] <ajmitch> imho :) [10:16] <siretart> hm. I get that sentence diffrently [10:17] <ajmitch> perhaps [10:17] <siretart> we should ask daniel for clarification [10:17] <ajmitch> I think it's talking about where upstream has just thrown together a tarball of a CVS snapshot [10:17] <ajmitch> and we have to run auto* on it to get it usable anyway [10:18] <siretart> well, this does happen from time to time [10:18] <ajmitch> sadly [10:18] <ajmitch> upstream needs to be severely beaten in such cases [10:19] <siretart> Mez's upstream was novell, in that case ;) [10:19] <ajmitch> in my case, I'm building a tarball myself using make dist [10:19] <siretart> :) [10:19] <ajmitch> you haven't seen how bad novell are at times :) [10:19] <ajmitch> my case (pnet) is that they want a cvs snapshot tested before release [10:19] <ajmitch> so I'll build & upload a snaphot [10:20] <ajmitch> for releases, I convinced them not to ship CVS dirs or an old debian/ dir :) [10:23] <siretart> hey, rsnapshot from breezy works for me [tm] :) [10:23] <siretart> from hoary, it doesn't.. [12:38] <pete> hi all [12:39] <mbreit> hi pete [12:46] <\sh> g'morning [12:46] <mbreit> good morning \sh! [12:47] <\sh> hey mbreit :) [12:48] <mbreit> \sh: what should i do if i want to fix a bug and there is already a patch in debian bts? [12:49] <\sh> take the patch from debian bts [12:49] <mbreit> i have already put the patch in the package and made it use dpatch... is that the right way? i have also mentioned the author of that patch [12:51] <mbreit> do i have to do something else? [12:52] <\sh> mbreit: put a "Closes: BTS: #<btsnumber>" in it...that's all...i mean that's what I'm doing normally [12:52] <highvoltage> topic [12:52] <highvoltage> sorry [12:53] <mbreit> \sh: it is a but in debian bts.... not in the ubuntu bugzilla [12:53] <mbreit> s/but/bug/ [12:53] <\sh> mbreit: yes...but it's good to know that the fix came from debian bts [12:54] <mbreit> so i should add "Closes: BTS: #<debianbtsnumber>"? [12:55] <\sh> yepp [12:56] <mbreit> like so: http://mo42.ath.cx/gambit.debdiff ? [12:58] <\sh> mbreit: write it behind the patch statement... [12:58] <mbreit> okay [12:59] <mbreit> is it right now? (same url) [01:01] <\sh> yepp..but why dpatch? [01:01] <mbreit> why not? how else should i do that? [01:01] <\sh> with a normal patch :) [01:01] <\sh> patch: patch-stamp [01:02] <\sh> patch-stamp:\ndh_testdir\n patch -p1 < debian/patches/<patchname>\ntouch patch-stamp [01:02] <\sh> clean: unpatch [01:02] <\sh> unpatch: patch unpatch-stamp [01:03] <mbreit> hmm... dpatch is easier... [01:03] <\sh> but one build-dep more [01:03] <mbreit> hmm.. dpatch is so small [01:04] <\sh> but then put your realname + email address and a small description in the dpatch template [01:04] <mbreit> oh, okay [01:05] <\sh> ok..coffee, shower, buying something to smoke...and then lets do some work [01:08] <mbreit> \sh: tell me if my debdiff is okay now first ;)) [01:23] <\sh> mbreit: yepp [01:24] <mbreit> cool, thanks... [01:24] <mbreit> you want to submit that? [01:27] <\sh> mbreit: I will do this...damnit Ihave to buy some cigarettes and now it's starting again with the rain [01:27] <mbreit> lol... the sun is shining here... nice wether ;) [01:29] <\sh> mbreit: where` [01:29] <\sh> ? [01:29] <mbreit> detmold [01:29] <mbreit> you know where that is? [01:30] <mbreit> it's at the teutoburger wald... [01:30] <\sh> yes..near bielefeld [01:31] <mbreit> exactly [01:31] <\sh> my grandgrandgrandrandgrandgrandpa is staying there [01:31] <ajmitch> hi [01:32] <\sh> this big guy in stone [01:32] <\sh> hermann, the cherusker [01:32] <mbreit> lol... the world is so small... my grandmother is in bielefeld, too [01:32] <mbreit> \sh: yeah... hermann is about 2 km from here... in front of my window.. [01:32] <mbreit> that's detmold ;) [01:33] <\sh> mbreit: hehe...and I was working in guetersloh [01:33] <mbreit> *g* then you know paderborn as well? i am studying there [01:34] <\sh> mbreit: paderborn? yes...you should read http://shermann.blogweb.de/archives/341-Das-Web-und-nichts-ist-so-schnell-vergessen-wie-die-Vergangenheit.html [01:35] <\sh> mbreit: I'm born in dortmund so not far from OWL ,-) [01:36] <mbreit> \sh: as i said.. the world is so small ;) [01:36] <\sh> mbreit: yes :) [01:37] <\sh> ok..updating pbuilder [01:37] <mbreit> good idea ;) [01:40] <\sh> mbreit: but u don't know this girl? Birgit <nachname weiss ich nicht mehr> [01:42] <mbreit> \sh: no, i don't know _any_ birgit ;) [01:42] <\sh> mbreit: thats said :) [01:44] <\sh> ok..patched and now testbuilding [01:46] <\sh> mbreit: can u do me a favour and test kwave if it's building for you? [01:46] <\sh> mbreit: use the version from MoM, pls:) [01:46] <mbreit> \sh: okay... [01:47] <\sh> mbreit: thx [01:50] <\sh> hmmm...noone from india here? [01:55] <\sh> gambit uploaded [01:55] <mbreit> thanks! [01:57] <mbreit> \sh: inline assembler problem [01:58] <mbreit> the same problem i had with vlc ;) but i can't solve that [01:58] <\sh> mbreit: upstream said, there is no problem [01:58] <mbreit> well, there IS [02:01] <\sh> mbreit: please confirm that in the bts ;) http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1244320&group_id=6478&atid=106478 [02:03] <tseng> mbreit: so what was up with mbreit ? [02:03] <tseng> er [02:03] <tseng> egg-sharp :P [02:04] <mbreit> tseng: i did not find the problem yet.. [02:04] <mbreit> but it's somewhere in TrayLib.cs [02:04] <mbreit> or in the libraries behind that ;) [02:05] <tseng> ok. [02:07] <mbreit> \sh: i have added a comment [02:07] <mbreit> tseng: could you rebuild seahorse? it needs to be recompiled for the new libsoup in breezy [02:08] <tseng> ok [02:08] <tseng> done. [02:09] <tseng> hm or not [02:10] <tseng> done. [02:10] <mbreit> thanks! [02:17] <bddebian> Ohh, is tseng uploading again? :-) [02:17] <bddebian> BTW, hello tseng, mbreit :-) [02:17] <tseng> hi. [02:17] <mbreit> oh, hi bddebian [02:18] <ajmitch> hello bddebian [02:19] <tseng> mna i have using pacakges.d.o [02:19] <tseng> why does it default to "stable" [02:19] <tseng> i feel almost like making my own form for searching it [02:19] <ajmitch> I hardly ever use it [02:20] <tseng> i use it to get source pacakges from sid [02:20] <ajmitch> packages.qa.debian.org is more useful for looking at a package [02:20] <tseng> because i hate mom [02:20] <ajmitch> ah, I have a script for getting packages from sid, and a sid chroot [02:20] <tseng> ah rock on [02:21] <Lathiat> bah [02:21] <Lathiat> is elmo on holidays or something? [02:21] <tseng> dude [02:21] <tseng> he doesnt work on weekends [02:22] <tseng> he works hard enough the other 5 days [02:22] <Lathiat> i know that [02:22] <tseng> and yes, i think he is on holiday [02:28] <Mez> siretart: ping [02:28] <Mez> tseng: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=308 [02:28] <bddebian> So what's the word for the day folks? [02:28] <Mez> I'd appreciate any input you can add to that tseng (I've already worked out most of dholbach's problems [02:28] <Lathiat> hrm [02:29] <tseng> oh daniel looked at it [02:29] <tseng> good [02:29] <tseng> you changed orig? [02:29] <Mez> yeah, under advice from siretart [02:31] <tseng> buh [02:31] <tseng> what for [02:31] <tseng> we can talk to upstream [02:31] <mbreit> Lathiat: i have that problem, too [02:31] <Mez> tseng: for removing CVS dirs, [02:31] <tseng> OH NICE [02:31] <tseng> they put CVS/ in the tarball? [02:32] <Mez> yeah [02:32] <Mez> ..? [02:32] <tseng> kicking upstream in the head [02:32] <Mez> lol [02:32] <tseng> oh [02:32] <tseng> did you get a cvs snapshot tarball [02:32] <Mez> no. [02:32] <tseng> link me [02:33] <tseng> http://ftp.novell.com/pub/forge/ifolder/client/current-head/ [02:33] <Mez> http://ftp.novell.com/pub/forge/ifolder/client/stable/20050608_2016/source/ [02:33] <tseng> thats a cvs snapshot.. [02:33] <Mez> It's in stable .. [02:34] <Mez> *shrugs* [02:34] <tseng> so did you just rm CVS? [02:34] <tseng> or you did autogen and make dist [02:34] <Mez> find -name CVS | xargs rm -rf [02:34] <tseng> =/ [02:34] <tseng> o [02:34] <tseng> no* [02:34] <Mez> tseng - there was no autogen [02:34] <tseng> ! [02:35] <tseng> this package sucks [02:35] <Lathiat> mbreit: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13254 [02:36] <Mez> mez@apathy:/backports/arena/simias-stable/simias-1.0.20050608-clean$ ls autogen* [02:36] <Mez> ls: autogen*: No such file or directory [02:36] <tseng> i see [02:36] <tseng> is there make distcheck/make dist targets? [02:37] <mbreit> Lathiat: ah, i know that problem... that's why i let tseng recompile seahorse.. [02:37] <Mez> mez@apathy:/backports/arena/simias-stable/simias-1.0.20050608-clean$ make distcheck [02:37] <Mez> make: *** No rule to make target `distcheck'. Stop. [02:37] <Mez> mez@apathy:/backports/arena/simias-stable/simias-1.0.20050608-clean$ make dist [02:37] <Mez> make: *** No rule to make target `dist'. Stop. [02:40] <tseng> that royally sucks dude [02:40] <tseng> we can talk to miguel next week [02:41] <Mez> *shrugs* [02:41] <Mez> for now [02:41] <Mez> I'm gonna lreave it with CVS dirs to keep dholbach happy [02:41] <tseng> for now the package isnt bad on your end I guess [02:41] <tseng> no we arent uploading this either way [02:41] <Mez> ... ? [02:41] <Mez> tseng, why not? [02:42] <tseng> because thats totally broken [02:42] <Mez> what is? [02:42] <tseng> I guess I might upload the orig unchanged [02:42] <tseng> if upstream wnt fix it [02:45] <Mez> where does it state CVS folders are bad... cause i cant find it and would like to quote the wording [02:47] <tseng> maybe Mithrandir can answer that [02:47] <tseng> im not a debian policy guru [02:47] <tseng> neither is daniel really [02:48] <bddebian> Mez: Dunno but lintian complains about it :-) [02:48] <Mithrandir> they're useless, it's more that they're unneeded and need to be replaced if you want to use CVS rather than being actively harmful [02:49] <Mez> Mithrandir, yes we know that, but it'd be nice to find the line in the policy manual [02:50] <tseng> btw there are a bunch of new guys here working on monoish stuff, we should all get together at least once and talk a few things [02:50] <Mez> ;) [02:50] <tseng> like debian mono team structure [02:50] <Mez> tseng MOTUMono? [02:50] <tseng> ya. [02:50] <tseng> but its better to do the work in debian team [02:51] <Mez> ..? [02:51] <tseng> we got slomo's cowbell package uploaded in debian [02:51] <tseng> and will sync to ubuntu [02:51] <tseng> its the "right way" [02:52] <Mez> ah, fair enough [02:52] <tseng> we will hopefulyl do the same thing with ifolder, when the time comes [02:53] <Mez> yeah [02:53] <Mez> when I can at minimum get iFolder to build [02:53] <mbreit> there is also monopod... and hopefully sonance some day [02:53] <tseng> yes monopod i almost uploaded already [02:53] <Mez> I still cant find anything in the dan debian policy regarding CVS files [02:53] <mbreit> (if we can get monopod to run on amd64 *g*) [02:54] <tseng> i did a package long before peter [02:54] <tseng> but his is fine. [02:56] <mbreit> tseng: i can't find anything about this trayicon bug on amd64 with google... [02:56] <tseng> yeah [02:56] <mbreit> perhaps someone should send a bug report to edd... [02:56] <tseng> try blam [02:56] <tseng> see if it does the same thing [02:57] <tseng> it could be an underlying lib
 Oh, Ubuntu. Do they even have a policy? [02:57] <Mez> grr [02:57] <tseng> hah, #debian-devel? [02:58] <Mez> yea [02:58] <tseng> good one. [02:58] <mbreit> huh? blam seems to have another bug in breezy [02:58] <tseng> what do you mean [02:59] <Mez> tseng: I thought I'd go poke debian and they said while it's ok to do it, poke upstream aswell [02:59] <mbreit> tseng: i can not load gnom-sharp assembly [02:59] <tseng> mbreit: meh [02:59] <tseng> mbreit: msg me the exception [02:59] <\sh> yes [03:00] <\sh> new photos from yesterday [03:00] <Mez> evening \sg [03:00] <Mez> \sh * [03:01] <\sh> check planet...we met ozzy alive :) [03:11] <Mez> the real ozzy? [03:12] <tseng> haha [03:12] <tseng> thats not ozzy [03:12] <\sh> this guy was coming around...and he just looked like ozzy...and I gave him my glasses...:) [03:14] <Mez> lol [03:14] <Mez> I know [03:14] <Mez> I was joking [03:25] <bddebian> Heya \sh [03:25] <\sh> hey bddebian [03:31] <highvoltage> is there a list on the ubuntu site of which nick is which person? [03:31] <highvoltage> (sorry for asking here, but it is related to motu) [03:31] <tseng> Mithrandir: do you have a amd64/sid setup? [03:32] <Mez> highvoltage: they ight list their nick on their wiki page, or their launchpad page, otherwise no [03:38] <\sh> working on unmet deps... [03:38] <mbreit> \sh: if you have fun with inline assembler problems, try vlc first ;) [03:39] <\sh> mbreit: hehe..I don't like inline assembler ,-) [03:39] <Mithrandir> tseng: atm just a chroot [03:40] <tseng> Mithrandir: ok, cheers. [03:41] <Mithrandir> how so? [03:42] <tseng> eh, blam is dying on ubuntu/amd64 [03:42] <tseng> no reports on debian [03:43] <bddebian> What, no assembler? You wimps :-) [03:44] <mbreit> ahh... bddebian, thanks for volunteering to fix vlc and kwave!! [03:45] <mbreit> \sh: could you do the libicq2000 cxx transition? [03:45] <\sh> mbreit: will check [03:45] <mbreit> or just tell me how i could do that... [03:45] <bddebian> mbreit: doko took vlc on bugzilla :-) [03:46] <mbreit> oh... didn't look at bugzilla [03:46] <bddebian> It [03:46] <bddebian> 's from MOM [03:47] <mbreit> bbdwell, but i don't see doko there... [03:53] <doko> bddebian: I did? [03:53] <bddebian> doko: Did you make a note on bugzilla for vlc? [03:53] <mbreit> bddebian: it was crimson [03:53] <bddebian> Oh, whoops [03:55] <\sh> mbreit: done... [03:56] <\sh> mbreit: I just test the build...and attach a debdiff to bugzilla [03:56] <mbreit> \sh: icq2000? [03:57] <\sh> mbreit: jepp [04:01] <mbreit> why is there lincvs_1.3.2-4build1 in breezy and 1.4.2-2 in unstable? [04:02] <bddebian> Did you check Mom? [04:02] <mbreit> in breezy is -4build1... not -4ubuntux [04:03] <bddebian> I'm saying, did you check MOM to see if we are merging in the newer version? :-) [04:03] <mbreit> no... but there should be no merging... because it is no special ubuntu version [04:04] <mbreit> btw: i think i know why... it's moved to debian-nonfree [04:06] <mbreit> so what should we do with lincvs? [04:07] <Amaranth> build1 means it's the second time it's tried to build 1.3.2-4, iirc [04:07] <mbreit> the breezy version has unmet dependencies and does not compile... and it has the same license then the version moved to non-free [04:08] <mbreit> should it be moved to restricted or multiverse then? or can it stay in universe? [04:08] <mbreit> should it be updated to 1.4.2? or should we try to fix 1.3.2? [04:20] <mbreit> tseng: the new blam package seems not to have that dependency problem any more [04:21] <tseng> mbreit: awesome.. [04:22] <gradzac> where can I search for what packages are in breezy (besides using apt-cache in my pbuilder chroot)? [04:22] <tseng> packages.ubuntu.com [04:23] <gradzac> duh....I should have guessed that ubuntu mirrored that debian feature, I think I tried ubuntulinux.org and it failed...oh well [04:26] <\sh> how did I know that knet is ftbfsing on amd64 [04:26] <\sh> *grmpf* [04:27] <gradzac> what if a lib doesn't show up in the archive (libcapi20)? [04:29] <gradzac> the libary is in debian [04:29] <\sh> gradzac: check the source package [04:30] <\sh> libcapi20-3 [04:30] <\sh> is the right package [04:30] <\sh> and libcapi20-dev is the dev package [04:30] <\sh> isdnutils is source package [04:31] <gradzac> got it, thanks [04:36] <tseng> who is doing the breezy-changes rss [04:37] <tseng> i kind of like to see the name of the uploader [04:48] <gradzac> Dennis Karrsemaker made the RSS feeds [04:55] <gradzac> can someone running breezy tell me what the output of "dpkg -L xutils" is? [04:56] <Mez> /usr/share [04:56] <Mez> /usr/share/doc [04:56] <Mez> /usr/share/doc/xutils [04:56] <Mez> /usr/share/doc/xutils/copyright [04:56] <Mez> /usr/share/doc/xutils/NEWS.Debian.gz [04:56] <Mez> /usr/share/doc/xutils/changelog.Debian.gz [04:57] <gradzac> thats what I get....isn't there supposed to be a lot of binaries in there also? [04:57] <gradzac> this package is supposed to have all of the build tools for X, but all I get is the docs in /usr/share/doc [04:58] <gradzac> pacakges.ubuntu.com shows 200+ files get installed [04:59] <\sh> gradzac: please read the announcement message of daniels...xutils is only a transitional package from now on [04:59] <Amaranth> packages.ubuntu.com is outdated [05:00] <Mez> packages.ubuntu.com isnt outdated [05:00] <Mez> It's showing -44 [05:00] <Mez> I'm using -42 [05:00] <Mez> oh, nvm me [05:00] <Mez> hthere an upload for -44 [05:00] <gradzac> \sh: where I can I find the message? [05:02] <gradzac> nvm, I found it [05:03] <\sh> Message-ID: <20050805090632.GB3598@brainfreeze.fooishbar.org> [05:03] <\sh> check on gmame [05:07] <gradzac> can we start a column on the unmet deps page for pacakges that build depend on the old xutils? [05:07] <gradzac> er...row [05:09] <mbreit> i think sorting that list a bit is a good idea [05:09] <gradzac> only downside I can think of is that it will make sorting the list a real pain [05:10] <gradzac> I mean updating the list [05:10] <gradzac> damn I can't type this morning [05:10] <mbreit> yeah... but updating it is a real pain anyway [05:14] <mbreit> gradzac: we could sort out some more categories... gtkmm, wx26-transition, gcc4-transition [05:15] <gradzac> that would make things a little easier [05:15] <gradzac> maybe a table for "packages waiting for other packages to get fixed" :) [05:16] <\sh> gradzac: this will be all done [05:16] <\sh> and is done already [05:16] <mbreit> \sh: ? [05:16] <mbreit> gradzac: just make new rows in the "need love" table [05:17] <gradzac> k [05:17] <gradzac> I'd like to see what \sh is refering to though [05:17] <\sh> mbreit: we will have a lot of work to do...and I'll prepare all things for that [05:17] <\sh> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CxxLibraryList [05:17] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CxxLibraryResync [05:17] <\sh> http://wiki.debian.net/?EtchSlang2upgrade [05:18] <\sh> and wx26 transition is being prepared :) [05:18] <mbreit> okay... didn't know that.. [05:18] <gradzac> ok, maybe we just link to those pages from unmet deps (i know there is a link for the cxx page) [05:19] <mbreit> gradzac: i think that is a good idea... just like the cxx transition row [05:19] <gradzac> plus, it would be nice to sort some of the packages out of the "NOBODY" list into categories that we know are waiting for other packages to be updated [05:19] <gradzac> mbreit: make the first column a link to the appropriate wiki page [05:19] <mbreit> if it's okay with stephan... [05:21] <\sh> with wx26 we have to be carefull..some API changes are really painfull [05:22] <mbreit> \sh: we still have wx24... just for packages depending on wx25 [05:23] <mbreit> the wx24 packages just need a rebuild [05:23] <gradzac> ok, for the package aqsis, the build fails with "../render/.libs/libaqsis.so: undefined reference to `Aqsis::CqPoolable<Aqsis::CqLath, 512l>::m_thePool'", is this an upstream bug or a package problem? [05:23] <gradzac> I think it is an upstream issue [05:24] <mbreit> i would count that as gcc4 issue ;) [05:24] <mbreit> but upstream [05:24] <gradzac> it does give warnings about unknown compiler version [05:24] <\sh> aqsis was this packages where upstream didn't do somethign for 2 years? ,-) [05:24] <\sh> thats libboost [05:24] <\sh> forget it [05:25] <gradzac> thats another point....I've come across a couple packages that the last time the upstream did anything was two years ago [05:25] <gradzac> is there a place where we could recommend that the package be removed from universe? [05:25] <mbreit> gradzac: do you sort unmet deps? or shall i do that? (if that's finally ok with \sh) [05:25] <\sh> gradzac: morque [05:25] <gradzac> mbreit: not yet, I was waiting to see what \sh said [05:25] <\sh> there are more packages [05:25] <Mez> gradzac : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MorgueCandidates [05:26] <\sh> but check first some dependencies... [05:28] <gradzac> \sh: you mean the reverse dependencies? [05:29] <mbreit> btw: what shall we do with packages on the unmet deps "unknown" list, where we know that somebody is working on that? [05:29] <\sh> gradzac: yepp [05:29] <\sh> make a new row put your name on it and work :) [05:30] <mbreit> e.g.: crimsun seems to work on vlc (according to bugzilla), i know that slomo is working on smlnj [06:35] <tseng> mbreit: oh hey [06:35] <mbreit> hey tseng [06:35] <tseng> mbreit: does muine-plugin-trayicon have the same bug as the others? [06:36] <mbreit> lol... seems that there is no muine on amd64? [06:36] <tseng> oh thats right [06:36] <tseng> its in NFU or something there [06:36] <tseng> no one can find it [06:37] <mbreit> lol... but muine-plugin-trayicon is installed ;) [06:40] <mbreit> tseng: lamont said he will talk with the buildd admins next week about the nfu's [06:41] <mbreit> tseng: there are some nfu's that have to be cleared [07:25] <mbreit> hey slomo! [07:29] <slomo> hi mbreit [07:32] <bddebian> slomo!! [07:39] <slomo> hey bddebian :) were there any news the last week? :) [07:50] <bddebian> slomo: News? [07:53] <slomo> bddebian: yeah... were there some really awfull or wonderfull things happening in the world last week? ;) [07:57] <bddebian> slomo: Well the UnmetDeps list is still HUGE :-) [07:59] <slomo> bddebian: and i don't have upload rights yet ;) hmm... what a boring week... i'm in holidays and the world stops spinning [08:00] <mbreit> slomo: well, the xorg -44 package i would call a major event ;)) [08:01] <bddebian> slomo: Well what were we supposed to do without you here to crack the whip?? ;-) [08:06] <slomo> bddebian: hmm, the same as with me around? :P [08:06] <slomo> siretart: ping? [08:08] <slomo> Mez: you mean the spelling (at http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=243)? [08:14] <gradzac> slomo: you still working on the UnmetDeps page in the wiki? [08:16] <Mez> slomo: you listed an upstream uthor but said "upstream authors" [08:17] <mbreit> bmonty: i just changed the wiki page... [08:18] <bmonty> I got interrupted in the middle of editing it, I wanted to make sure I wasn't stepping on anyone's toes :) [08:19] <mbreit> bmonty: just go ahead... i my change is lost, i could do it again, was just a sooo small change [08:19] <slomo> bmonty: nope... i just "assigned" smlnj to me [08:20] <bmonty> k, I was making the changes for the x packages we talked about earlier, and I was going also mark pacakges in the NOBODY list that are on the MorgueCandidates page [08:25] <bmonty> ok, I'm done [08:28] <mbreit> bmonty: looks good [08:29] <bmonty> thanks [08:30] <bmonty> There are probably about 10 packages that depend on libcapi that have nothing to do with X, do you think they belong in the "waiting for X" category? [08:30] <mbreit> if they can't be rebuild without the new x, then yes [08:31] <bmonty> k [08:32] <bmonty> anyone care if I keep the page in edit mode for a little while? [08:34] <mbreit> i don't [08:35] <mbreit> oh, i have a debdiff which i want to put there... but that can wait a while ;) [08:35] <bmonty> ok, I'll let you know when I'm done [08:35] <mbreit> great [08:36] <mbreit> wtf? [08:36] <mbreit> i am working on pingus... [08:36] <mbreit> and there is a /usr/share/locale/locale.alias in the package... that's not very nice [08:39] <bmonty> ok, I'm done with the wiki [08:40] <mbreit> fine... and my package does evil things, so i will not put that patch on the wiki [08:40] <bmonty> :) [08:41] <Mithrandir> tseng: I had no idea you had been ill.. hope you're getting better. [08:57] <Treenaks> hey Mithrandir... haven't seen you around for a while [09:01] <Mithrandir> I've been at debconf, then at a larp then moving [09:02] <Treenaks> what a way to spend a summer :) [09:02] <Mithrandir> yeah, moved twice. [09:03] <Mithrandir> I'm tired of boxes. _really_ tired. [09:04] <Treenaks> I can imagine.. [09:14] <mbreit> ahh.... i need help... could someone please build my pingus package and see if it's doing the same .... as on my machine? [09:15] <crimsun> dsc+diff.gz+orig.tar.gz? [09:15] <crimsun> (url to, rather) [09:16] <mbreit> oh, wait... i'll first try something... perhaps that will solve it [09:16] <mbreit> (but thanks anyway) [09:17] <tseng> Mithrandir: getting better every day now. thanks [09:17] <crimsun> I'll have to take a closer look at this atheros stuff in linux-restricted-modules in Breezy, cos something's fishy [09:27] <mbreit> hmm... didn't work... [09:27] <mbreit> so crimsun: do you want all files or do you prefer a debdiff to breezy release? [09:28] <crimsun> url to dsc+diff.gz+orig.tar.gz is easier for me [09:28] <crimsun> where is it failing? [09:28] <mbreit> it includes a /usr/share/locale/locale.alias... which is not very clever [09:29] <mbreit> crimsun: debdiff would be much easier for me... [09:29] <mbreit> i have that already on my server [09:29] <crimsun> mbreit: ok, I'll look at that then. [09:30] <crimsun> (sorry, I don't know your url) [09:30] <mbreit> http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/pingus_0.6.0-8ubuntu1.debdiff [09:34] <crimsun> ok, give me a few minutes. Gotta tidy up something before I wget it. [09:35] <mbreit> crimsun: sure... thanks for looking at it! [09:52] <crimsun> dpkg-deb: building package `pingus' in `../pingus_0.6.0-8ubuntu1_amd64.deb'. [09:52] <crimsun> dpkg-deb: building package `pingus-data' in `../pingus-data_0.6.0-8ubuntu1_all.deb'. [09:53] <crimsun> built fine here. [09:53] <mbreit> yes, i know.. [09:53] <crimsun> does it not run correctly? [09:53] <mbreit> now try to install the first package [09:53] <mbreit> as i said, it includes /usr/share/locale/locale.alias... [09:56] <crimsun> ah, ./intl/Makefile.in [09:56] <mbreit> crimsun: i made a patch which removed the locale.alias from that file... [09:57] <mbreit> but that did not help (or i did something wrong with that patch...) [10:00] <crimsun> that looks like an upstream issue, but I have not checked Debian BTS [10:00] <mbreit> crimsun: that is the old upstream release... i just patched it for gcc4.. (and the german translation) [10:00] <crimsun> afaik, this packages should not be mucking with /usr/share/locale/locale.alias [10:00] <mbreit> but why is it not included in the breezy version? [10:01] <mbreit> i have not changed anything in the build system [10:06] <mbreit> crimsun: any idea what i could do? [10:08] <crimsun> sorry, was looking at -8 vs. -8ubuntu1 [10:08] <mbreit> no problem... [10:08] <mbreit> i think located the part where it installs that file [10:24] <crimsun> it's related to the translation, but I don't know enough about po innards to say precisely why [10:27] <crimsun> mbreit: you can rip out the references to locale.alias in intl/Makefile.in, and it will not install it. [10:28] <crimsun> mbreit: definitely a suboptimal workaround, but it "works" [10:28] <mbreit> crimsun: i am already trying to do so... [10:28] <mbreit> and so far i have not succeded.. ;) [10:28] <crimsun> I tested it here, it works [10:29] <crimsun> to fix it correctly, though, you'll want to check whether the original de translation patch has other interactions [10:29] <crimsun> unfortunately I don't know enough about that to say [10:29] <mbreit> i just patched the de.po [10:30] <mbreit> okay, i _should_ work now [10:31] <mbreit> i am a bit slow because i update my laptop to breezy [10:31] <mbreit> (can't wait for wifi-radar *g*) [10:32] <crimsun> I just updated last night. So far I can't use wifi (l-r-m stuff?). [10:32] <mbreit> i use my own kernel.. [10:32] <mbreit> i use swsusp2, acpi2 and so on [10:33] <mbreit> and i need a patch to make my laptop sleep well ;) [10:37] <mbreit> yay... pingus works now [10:37] <crimsun> great. [10:41] <mbreit> oh no... i hate this package... [10:42] <mbreit> i already uses dpatch for a couple of things... [10:42] <mbreit> but in diff.gz are still many direct source changes.... [10:49] <crimsun> yeah, that's pretty hairy [11:12] <dholbach> hi [11:12] <dholbach> :) [11:12] <mbreit> hey dholbach [11:13] <ogra> ho dholbach [11:13] <mbreit> sorry... hi daniel ;) [11:13] <dholbach> hey, how are you all? [11:13] <mbreit> fine... [11:13] <dholbach> super [11:13] <mbreit> but i have a question for you [11:13] <dholbach> you've been quite busy :) [11:13] <dholbach> fire away [11:13] <mbreit> about lincvs [11:14] <mbreit> it's very outdated in breezy, i think 1.3.2 iirc... in sid is 1.4.2 [11:14] <mbreit> it has not been synced because debian moved it to non-free due to the license [11:15] <dholbach> i see [11:15] <dholbach> you should discuss with elmo [11:15] <mbreit> the license says: it's gpl, but only if you link it against qt/free [11:15] <crimsun> if it has significant bug fixes over 1.3.2, I certainly don't mind. [11:15] <mbreit> i heard elmo is on holiday? [11:15] <crimsun> (particular security?) [11:15] <dholbach> write him a mail, tell him why we need it (and better not say 1.4.2 looks fancier) [11:16] <mbreit> well, the question is: can it stay in universe? has it to be moved in restricted? [11:16] <dholbach> it'd be moved to multiverse, if it's going to be moved [11:16] <crimsun> right, restricted would be part of main [11:17] <mbreit> oh, okay [11:17] <dholbach> write him a mail he should know, afaik there was a comparable issue with libmysqlclient* [11:17] <dholbach> but i'm not that sure [11:17] <dholbach> he will know [11:17] <mbreit> and about upgrading to 1.4.2.. 1.3.2 does not work with gcc4 and is not installable atm [11:17] <dholbach> well then... :) [11:17] <crimsun> ftfbs is fairly major, I'd say :) [11:17] <crimsun> ftbfs, rather [11:18] <mbreit> well, what does ftbfs mean? [11:18] <crimsun> fails to build from source [11:18] <dholbach> wtf ftbfs :) [11:18] <ogra> failed to build from source [11:18] <mbreit> oh, i see [11:18] <dholbach> sudo apt-get install bsd-games; wtf ftbfs [11:18] <dholbach> if you don't manage to come up with a fix, either upstream or yourself, we won't upgrade to it :) [11:19] <mbreit> ?? [11:19] <dholbach> if we can't make it build, we won't upgrade [11:19] <crimsun> I think mbreit is implying that 1.4.2 does build [11:20] <dholbach> ah ok [11:20] <dholbach> sorry [11:20] <dholbach> <-- confused [11:20] <dholbach> i'd love to get a newer freeciv in - the new one fixes loads of bugs, but ftbfs as well, because of our broken xaw3d [11:22] <crimsun> hmm [11:22] <mbreit> what happens if lincvs does not get updated? [11:23] <dholbach> if we don't manage to fix it or come up with that new version, we won't have it for the release [11:24] <mbreit> does it get deleted before release? [11:24] <dholbach> no, we'll have that uninstallable version [11:25] <mbreit> uh? we would include a package that can't be installed? that sucks [11:25] <dholbach> yes, but that's reality [11:25] <dholbach> we have to cope with 15000 packages [11:26] <crimsun> Warty and Hoary both had such cases. [11:26] <mbreit> then it has to be fixed ;) [11:26] <dholbach> but we'll do the best we can [11:26] <crimsun> Breezy undoubtedly will, too, but like Daniel said, part of our job is to fix that. [11:26] <dholbach> i wonder if sarge had those cases too [11:26] <dholbach> i'm inclined to say it did [11:27] <glick> is there a list anywhere of packages that need maintainers? [11:27] <dholbach> mbreit: i like your attitude :) [11:27] <dholbach> glick: we do team maintenance, so yes :) [11:27] <glick> i would like to help out [11:28] <dholbach> glick: super :) [11:28] <dholbach> hey tseng [11:28] <crimsun> glick: right, none of us really "own" a package, though certainly some of us choose packages with which we're more familiar [11:28] <bmonty> dholbach: I posted debdiffs for the packages I've check on the Unmet deps page [11:28] <glick> yeah id like to work on something i use [11:28] <dholbach> bmonty: super [11:28] <dholbach> bmonty: want me to look at them? [11:28] <bmonty> sure, if you have time [11:28] <dholbach> yep, a bit [11:29] <bmonty> there are some that just need a rebuild, and some that need to have their install dependencies slightly changed [11:29] <dholbach> bmonty: ok... point me to them :) [11:29] <bmonty> http://www.montynet.org/ubuntu/debdiff [11:30] <mbreit> glick: look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryMOTU there are a lot of usefull pages [11:30] <dholbach> bmonty: and they do build and are installable and seem to work on first glance? [11:31] <bmonty> dholbach: yes [11:31] <mbreit> glick: bmonty wrote a cool page that is good for a first look of what the MOTU do: [11:31] <mbreit> glick: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUWannabeTips [11:31] <bmonty> I didn't write that :) [11:31] <dholbach> glick: bdddebian wrote it in the beginning :) [11:31] <bmonty> ...but it is a cool page [11:31] <dholbach> yep [11:31] <dholbach> bmonty: why do you remove babytrans-common as a dependency? [11:32] <mbreit> glick: and if you have any questions, just ask [11:32] <dholbach> bmonty: that doesnt look right to me [11:32] <bmonty> glick: I'd look at a lot of the pages in the MOTU category [11:32] <bmonty> dholbach: that package doesn't exist and the program works as far as I can tell [11:32] <glick> yeah im checkin them out [11:33] <dholbach> bmonty: ha... that's funny - you're absolutely right [11:34] <bmonty> i just had a though....maybe it is in non-free?? [11:34] <ogra> but babytrans isnt a buildX version anymore after such a change [11:34] <dholbach> bmonty: no, it doesnt seem to exist [11:34] <ogra> buildX is only for plain rebuilds [11:35] <bmonty> ogra: true, I'll have to fix that [11:35] <dholbach> bmonty: i'll take it to a query [11:35] <glick> hehe looks like there is nothing much to do for xfce [11:36] <ogra> glick, you can help the xfce team :) [11:36] <crimsun> glick: yeah, Jani and I have mostly finished it. The plugins remain. [11:38] <glick> the plugins? [11:39] <crimsun> xfce4-*-plugin [11:39] <tseng> i tried it [11:39] <tseng> its great (xfce4.2 debs) [11:40] <glick> i really have no idea where to begin, ive never contributed to a distro before [11:40] <crimsun> glick: the WannabeTips is a good place to start [11:40] <dholbach> glick: it's mostly trying to build, changing bits, trying to build again, it's easy :) [11:40] <tseng> glick: neither have alot of good MOTUs [11:40] <tseng> like, dholbach :) [11:41] <mbreit> dholbach, tseng: who want's to review my pingus fixes? [11:41] <tseng> not me [11:41] <mbreit> daniel? [11:41] <tseng> i just woke up. [11:41] <dholbach> yes [11:41] <tseng> again :/ [11:41] <mbreit> tseng: oh, good morning then ;) [11:41] <mbreit> http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/pingus_0.6.0-8ubuntu1.debdiff [11:42] <tseng> i cant speak for any gcc patching whatnot [11:42] <tseng> but the diff is clean. [11:43] <crimsun> the diff looked fine to me when I was helping him debug [11:43] <dholbach> bmonty: babytrans can't be changed like that - it has to be pulled from marillats repository it seems - ogra was kind enough to investigate: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/b/babytrans-common/ ... [11:44] <mbreit> okay, who wants to upload that pingus patch? [11:44] <dholbach> i'll do it, just a second [11:44] <bmonty> dholbach: figures it comes from marillat :) [11:45] <bmonty> I'll fix that later tonight then [11:45] <dholbach> bmonty: uploaded the other two [11:45] <bmonty> ok, thanks [11:45] <dholbach> have fun with http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html :) [11:46] <dholbach> mbreit: there's another pingus fix on REVU - did you have a look at it? [11:46] <dholbach> mbreit: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=262 [11:46] <glick> do i need to install breezy to help develop? [11:47] <tseng> you should at least have a breezy pbuilder [11:47] <tseng> to make sure your package will build with breezy's libs [11:47] <ogra> and a breezy chroot to test [11:47] <mbreit> dholbach: grrr... why has Mez not put it on the unmet deps page? [11:47] <ogra> (not mandatory though) [11:47] <dholbach> mbreit: i thought it was Lathiat [11:47] <Mez> ...? [11:47] <tseng> ogra: he can use piuparts with his pbuilder base.gz :) [11:48] <Mez> mbreit: what ? [11:48] <ogra> true :) [11:48] <mbreit> Mez: the pingus-package on revu is yours? [11:48] <Mez> nope [11:48] <mbreit> okay, sorry then
 dholbach: grrr... why has Mez not put it on the unmet deps page? [11:48] <Mez> ... / [11:48] <dholbach> Mez: ? [11:49] <mbreit> Mez: it was my fault... i thought it would be your package [11:49] <Mez> dholbach, I was asking why mbreit asked you why I didnt put something on unmet deps [11:49] <Mez> mbreit: why? [11:49] <Mez> pingus = lathiat [11:49] <dholbach> Mez: it's ok now :) [11:49] <Mez> siretart: ping [11:49] <mbreit> yes... are you martin@sourceguru dot net? [11:49] <Mez> oh, dholbach I checked with debian... It's fine to repackage :D [11:49] <Mez> if it needs it [11:49] <Mez> mbreit: yes [11:50] <mbreit> that was my mistake.. i just saw your adress at your comment [11:50] <mbreit> is lathiat at bur dot st here? [11:50] <dholbach> mbreit: if my dear pingus won't work after this... :) [11:50] <mbreit> dholbach: i even included a patch for a better german translation ;) [11:50] <dholbach> Mez: how long do you want me to discuss that topic with you? [11:51] <dholbach> mbreit: yeah, super :) [11:51] <Mez> dholbach: their words were: repackage to make lintian happy and poke upstream and hope they fix it for next release [11:51] <mbreit> dholbach: i just looked at the debian qa page for that package and included all patches in the bug reports that are usefull in ubuntu ;) [11:52] <dholbach> making lintian happy is not worthwhile, it's rather worthwhile to not make your package reviewer find out what you may have changed on orig.tar.gz [11:52] <mbreit> it seems that the debian maintainer of pingus is not very active.. [11:52] <dholbach> Mez: manually finding out, what was changed is tedious [11:53] <Mez> dholbach, it may be annoying for you, but would you rather see a package with them or without [11:53] <Mez> and debian policy says it's fine [11:53] <Mez> but, only change source to clean up (for example if it hadn't been make clean'd [11:54] <dholbach> Mez: without them, but only if it's an upstream change [11:54] <Mez> or CVS/.svn firs are tehre [11:54] <Mez> s/firs/dirs [11:54] <tseng> hey [11:54] <tseng> who is doing these rebuilds for universeunmet as Ubuntu Installer [11:55] <dholbach> i try to take reviewing seriously and i check md5sums of orig.tar.gz, just to make sure we don't get any crack into universe [11:55] <Mez> tseng: those are ones that are done by none-MOTUs and resigned [11:55] <tseng> I see. [11:55] <Mez> if they havent been whitlisted, it comes up as katie [11:55] <tseng> hm i wasnt bothering with anyones patches to just bump the changelog [11:55] <tseng> i did it myself and gave them all credit [11:56] <Mez> tseng: yeah thats fair enough if it's just a bump in the changelog :D [11:56] <Mez> lol [11:56] <tseng> easier than cut, wget paste, apt-get source, patch [11:56] <mbreit> tseng: most of these uploads where mine ;) [11:56] <tseng> mbreit: :) [11:56] <tseng> mbreit: where is your wiki page [11:56] <mbreit> as elmo did not whitelist me yet ;) [11:57] <tseng> are you a member/motu yet? [11:57] <mbreit> tseng: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MoritzBreit [11:57] <Mez> mbreit: are you a member yet ? [11:57] <mbreit> tseng: no, i am not... [11:57] <mbreit> Mez: no ;) [11:57] <tseng> well we need to fix that [11:57] <Mez> lol [11:57] <tseng> are you on the CC agenda [11:57] <mbreit> not yet [11:57] <Mez> tseng: the MOTU cheerleaders strike again ? [11:57] <dholbach> mbreit: do you have utf8 enabled? [11:57] <dholbach> mbreit: you should [11:57] <mbreit> dholbach: yes [11:58] <mbreit> oh, stupid patch ;) [11:58] <dholbach> mbreit: nevermind, it's better than before [11:59] <tseng> your wiki is nice [11:59] <tseng> you need to get on agendas [11:59] <tseng> so we can cheerlead [11:59] <mbreit> tseng: thanks [11:59] <dholbach> YES [11:59] <dholbach> :) [11:59] <mbreit> thanks for the flowers ;) [11:59] <dholbach> i won't be there, but you'll get a lot of good comments from everyone :) [12:00] <mbreit> should i get on that agenda now? the next meeting is not very soon now... [12:00] <dholbach> yes, do it [12:00] <tseng> it is never > 2 weeks [12:00] <dholbach> you'll feel better afterwards [12:01] <mbreit> so i should really add my name on CommunityCouncilAgenda? [12:01] <dholbach> yes [12:01] <dholbach> absolutely [12:01] <dholbach> ++

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.538150

2005-08-12-#ubuntu-kernel

[06:40] <zul> heylo [09:35] <Darth_Kernel> hello

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.544809

2005-08-12-#ubuntu-doc

[12:47] <segfault> hi [12:48] <segfault> does anyone here understand how rosetta works? :) [12:48] <Nafallo> segfault: sure, you fill in the translation in the textbox under the english sentence. and you should probably be on #launchpad instead of #ubuntu-doc :-). [12:49] <segfault> oh yes, i know how to translate.. hehe [12:50] <segfault> i'm asking just to know if i translate something related to quickguide (e.g.), does it get automatically in the next package build? [12:51] <Nafallo> the next build of language-package-CC yes. [12:51] <Nafallo> but you should probably not translate those in breezy just yet. I might be wrong though. anyone else alive? :-) [12:54] <segfault> yeah, that's another thing i don't know yet [12:55] <segfault> if translations from hoary get imported to breezy [12:55] <segfault> :/ [07:04] <Madpilot> anyone alive here? [07:07] <mgalvin> hi Madpilot [07:08] <Madpilot> hi mgalvin [07:43] <mgalvin> later all [09:42] <martinjh99> Hi there - What packages do I need to install for docbooks? [09:42] <Burgundavia> what do you mean? [09:42] <Burgundavia> docbook is a file format [09:43] <martinjh99> I have just downloaded the docs from svn - How do I go about changing them into something I can read ie either HTML or PDF? [09:43] <Burgundavia> ah [09:43] <Burgundavia> you need xmlto [09:43] <martinjh99> xmltools? ;) [09:45] <Burgundavia> no [09:45] <Burgundavia> xmlto [09:45] <martinjh99> Ah doing that right now - Thanks! [10:34] <rob^> hmm [10:35] <Burgundavia> ? [10:36] <rob^> dam matts not here [10:36] <Burgundavia> galvin? he left about 2 1/2 hours ago [10:36] <rob^> yeah [10:46] <rob^> who is Tomas Zijdemans? [10:47] <Burgundavia> no idea [11:06] <mdke> morning all [11:06] <Burgundavia> morning [11:07] <highvoltage> morning [11:07] <rob^> umm arvo [11:08] <highvoltage> mdke: your nick keeps registering as "mandrake" with me :) [11:08] <mdke> bah [11:08] <highvoltage> thought you would say something like that ;) [11:09] <rob^> does anyone know who is Tomas Zijdemans? [11:09] <rob^> umm [11:09] <rob^> who he is [11:12] <mdke> no [11:12] <mdke> why? [11:12] <rob^> matt added him as an original author of the FAQ guide [11:12] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, you should be happy to know that mono will be installed by default for Breezy [11:12] <rob^> I have never heard of him and his name is not listed on ubuntuguide.org either [11:13] <mdke> rob^, is that a problem? [11:13] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: I should!? [11:13] <mdke> Burgundavia, wow [11:13] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, just saw your comment in #ubuntu [11:13] <highvoltage> ah :) [11:14] <rob^> mdke, no, but I was looking at making a few alterations to that part and noticed he was added just recently [11:14] <rob^> just wondering really [11:16] <mdke> i guess maybe a section added by matt was written by him? [11:16] <rob^> maybe, I'll ask him next time I see him [11:18] <mdke> i wrote something in an email recently about what to do with the ubuntu userguide, did anyone have any thoughts? [11:18] <jsgotangco> hi [11:18] <mdke> hi jsgotangco :) [11:18] <Burgundavia> salut jsgotangco [11:19] <jsgotangco> wow its a sunday and the channel is busy [11:19] <Burgundavia> yes [11:19] <Burgundavia> only just sunday here [11:19] <jsgotangco> its kinda old email [11:19] <rob^> what was the subject? [11:20] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: hehe. [11:20] <Burgundavia> the only email I see is the commit stuff [11:20] <mdke> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2005-August/003167.html [11:20] <highvoltage> are you guys familiar with xul? [11:20] <mdke> in the second paragraph [11:22] <Burgundavia> mdke, what about it? [11:22] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, froud has some experience with it [11:22] <rob^> I think the FAQ Guide and Local Help would be better being one in the same [11:23] <rob^> The userguide should be the place people go for more information [11:23] <mdke> Burgundavia, i wondered if people had some thoughts about what to do with the ubuntu userguide: it will clearly not get finished as it is currently specced, and its probably not useful to duplicate so much material [11:23] <jsgotangco> i agree [11:23] <Burgundavia> to be honest, I would kill it [11:23] <Burgundavia> I think user guides are useless [11:23] <mdke> i think possibly the material that exists which described linux, gnu, and ubuntu might be useful [11:24] <Burgundavia> yes [11:24] <mdke> chapter 1 here: http://tseng2.ath.cx/~ubuntu-doc/userguide/C/ [11:25] <rob^> the userguide could be a sought of "index" for upstream docs [11:25] <jsgotangco> rob^: right [11:25] <Burgundavia> ya [11:25] <rob^> cool [11:25] <mdke> interesting idea [11:25] <Burgundavia> if the gnome doc project eventually gets it act together, we can also use some of that [11:25] <rob^> yep [11:26] <Burgundavia> but that is unlikely witht eh current crew [11:26] <Burgundavia> they need someone to come along and do it [11:26] <Burgundavia> post-breezy, we need canonical to fund some yelp work [11:26] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, ya right [11:26] <rob^> Burgundavia, agreed [11:27] <rob^> badly, maybe even make it a bounty or something [11:27] <Burgundavia> yes [11:27] <Burgundavia> it has been discussed in the breezy and hoary cycles [11:27] <Burgundavia> but nothing came of it [11:27] <Burgundavia> after sept, we should identify what needs to be done, and present a list to jdub/mdz [11:27] <rob^> I noticed they did some work recently on it getting qandaset to work, but it still needs work [11:28] <rob^> yep [11:28] <Burgundavia> there are some patches sitting upstream that are going to miss .12 and breezy [11:28] <mdke> as long as it displays html ok, we're fine IMO [11:28] <rob^> yes [11:28] <rob^> one day I would like to see xml though [11:29] <Burgundavia> search and printing would be nice [11:29] <mdke> yes [11:29] <rob^> it looks like a help app with xml, with html it just looks like a browser [11:30] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, was that meant for this channel? [11:30] <jsgotangco> ohh [11:30] <jsgotangco> crap [11:30] <jsgotangco> heh [11:30] <rob^> I wonder if we could have yelp point to some online thing that we could easily update [11:31] <jsgotangco> some online thing that we can update? [11:31] <rob^> yeah [11:31] <Burgundavia> a wiki or something similar? [11:31] <rob^> just a thought [11:31] <jsgotangco> just point it to a wiki entry [11:31] <jsgotangco> i've thought of that before [11:31] <jsgotangco> extending yelp to the wiki [11:31] <jsgotangco> since yelp docs are frozen [11:31] <jsgotangco> your updated doc or errata should be somewhere [11:31] <Burgundavia> the people who turn to help are likely not to have an internet connection [11:31] <rob^> like an online server where we could move releases of the svn repo stuff every now and then [11:32] <rob^> it could default to a set of docs on the system when there is no net connection [11:32] <rob^> but use the up to date ones when there is [11:32] <mdke> why? [11:33] <rob^> then we could make changes/additions after release [11:33] <mdke> we can do that now [11:33] <rob^> yes [11:33] <Burgundavia> we can push it into hoary-updates [11:33] <mdke> you need permission to upload to updates [11:33] <rob^> but this wouldn't require anyone to update to use it [11:34] <rob^> it would be just "there" [11:34] <Burgundavia> updates are enabled by default [11:34] <rob^> I dunno, just a thought I guess [11:34] <Burgundavia> it is just another repo [11:34] <mdke> i quite like the current system [11:35] <rob^> maybe one day when I decided to relearn C or something I could do something :P [11:35] <jsgotangco> heh [11:36] <Burgundavia> bah [11:37] <rob^> we could do a simple "svn release faqguide.xml" and it would compile a html version and upload it to a web server, with Yelp pointing to that web server [11:38] <Burgundavia> hmm [11:38] <Burgundavia> I don't see this idea failing gracefully [11:39] <rob^> its just a thought, it would require a lot of work to implement properly [11:39] <rob^> and planning [11:39] <Burgundavia> what I mean by failing gracefully is gaining/loosing internet connections [11:39] <jsgotangco> hmmm does docbook have a tag for footnotes or something or do i make a structure workaround using xref? [11:40] <rob^> yeah, like I said a lot of planning/work would be required to account for things like this [11:41] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: do you think its a good time to start on the new quickguide now or should we wait for another milestone release [11:41] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, we can rough the ideas in now [11:41] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, .12 features are set, and our feature freeze is 7 days away [11:42] <jsgotangco> sure we get .12 anyways [11:42] <jsgotangco> bulk of the doc would be a rehash of the .12 preview [11:42] <rob^> just a question, how does feature freeze effect our documents [11:42] <Burgundavia> doesn't [11:42] <rob^> good [11:42] <jsgotangco> it doesn't it just gives a clear picture of what's inside [11:42] <Burgundavia> our writing stops on Sept. 8 [11:44] <Burgundavia> rob^, lets kick the faq guide and local help together. I am not entirely happy with the faqguide, but it is a step in the right direction [11:44] <jsgotangco> err guys [11:44] <jsgotangco> don't forget our Style Guide is almost done [11:44] <Burgundavia> yes [11:44] <jsgotangco> once agreed to be released all docs should comply to it [11:45] <Burgundavia> ok [11:45] <rob^> Burgundavia, I think we need to go with what we have for the FAQ Guide for Breezy, but after that I'm happy to make some big changes [11:45] <Burgundavia> sure [11:45] <Burgundavia> I was dreaming about a better server guide already [11:45] <jsgotangco> err..well not really "should" but at least please refer to it once when its done [11:46] <rob^> jsgotangco, I have had a few looks at it, good work [11:46] <rob^> its handy [11:46] <jsgotangco> sure additions are always welcome to it since its supposed to be our manual [11:47] <Burgundavia> mdke, that frontpage thing I sent to the list, that is a relic of those dicussions, no? [11:47] <mdke> yeah [11:47] <mdke> i deleted most of the others [11:47] <Burgundavia> ok [11:47] <mdke> just left that one because I remember you wrote it ;) [11:48] <Burgundavia> I did? [11:48] <mdke> i think [11:48] <Burgundavia> totally random OT link --> http://www.venganza.org/noodledoodle_bg3.jpg (Yes, it is 3am here) [11:49] <jsgotangco> see you guys later we have church at 6 [11:49] <rob^> cya [11:49] <jsgotangco> seems like a nice time to hang out here though [11:49] <Burgundavia> I live int he wrong timezone [11:49] <jsgotangco> yeah you should move in europe [11:50] <Burgundavia> need to convince the gf to move as well [11:50] <jsgotangco> hmmm i guess froud is getting tired of the docteam thing [11:51] <jsgotangco> (for the Nth time) [11:51] <Burgundavia> he also threatened to quit a while ago [11:51] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, indeed [11:52] <jsgotangco> oh he was here a few hours ago? [11:52] <Burgundavia> he hasn;t been here for at least 12 hours [11:54] <jsgotangco> mdke: you've been busy? [12:04] <mdke> yes [12:05] <mdke> i'm at the computer less because my gf is here, and I'm spending much of that time on ubuntu-it atm [12:10] <rob^> good night all [12:10] <Burgundavia> night [03:34] <highvoltage> what do you guys think about a wiki page on ubuntu with a list of irc nicks and the realnames next to them? [03:39] <mdke> i don't see the need [03:39] <mdke> don't people set their realnames in irc? [03:40] <mdke> i think most do [03:40] <highvoltage> hmmm... perhaps you're right. [04:49] <jsgotangco> hi all [04:54] <highvoltage> hi jsgotangco.

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.552473

2005-08-12-#ubuntu

[12:00] <Epod69> anyone know why nvidia would just stop working? [12:00] <LinuxJones> Snippy, ok run gstreamer-properties and try selecting alsa from the dropdown list for output device then hit test to see if you get sound. [12:00] <Epod69> modprobe nvidia doesnt work either [12:01] <LinuxJones> Epod69, did you upgrade a kernel ? [12:01] <Snippy> failed to construct pipeline error [12:01] <BTJustice> nickrud: http://pastebin.ca/19463 [12:01] <LinuxJones> Epod69, what was selected before ? [12:01] <Epod69> yea, but i believe i was using the same kernel I am now [12:01] <Epod69> should i remove hte old kernel and reinstall nvidia? [12:01] <Epod69> the* [12:01] <Snippy> maybe cuz the guy b4 told me to unselect "enable sound server" [12:01] <nickrud> BTJustice, you have no sound :) [12:01] <LinuxJones> snippy sorry ^^ was for you. [12:02] <Epod69> snippy, sound server doesnt matter when using alsa [12:02] <BTJustice> nickrud: I figured. What do I need ot do? [12:02] <Snippy> np LinuxJones, ALSA was selected before.. I tried esd and all the others.. no luck at all [12:03] <LinuxJones> Snippy, how many soundcards do you have ? [12:03] <segfault2k> someone knows how to install enlightenment e17 on ubuntu? [12:03] <eloy> ubuntu-es [12:04] <Snippy> LinuxJones, I have 1 onboard soundcard.. but when I installed ubuntu.. hmm.. I had my USB Headset plugged in.. does this matter? [12:04] <nickrud> BTJustice, snd-emu10k1 should have loaded, if lspci is correct [12:04] <weejamer> does anyone know why i cant play mp3's from a default install [12:04] <LinuxJones> Snippy, nope [12:04] <Snippy> LinuxJones.. I was hoping so.. [12:05] <SeanRoth> segfalut2k: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=287220#post287220 [12:05] <nickrud> I don't have a clue why hotplug did not see that card and load, that's where I would look for bug reports [12:05] <SeanRoth> segfault2k* [12:05] <weejamer> does anyone know why i cant play mp3's from a default install [12:05] <Snippy> I always had problems with sound on other distris years b4.. but I never installed linux on THIS rig.. I always was able to fix the sound.. except this time.. so strange [12:05] <BTJustice> nickrud: http://pastebin.ca/19464 [12:05] <Snippy> but I will now try http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=19639&postcount=8 hope this helps [12:06] <Epod69> when I go to install nvidia-glx it wants me to install kernel-image-386 as well..can I not use nvidia with the 686 kernel image? [12:06] <LinuxJones> Epod69, yeah install the 686 kernel first [12:06] <weejamer> I have 2 soundcards too snippy 1 onboard and 1 USB it works fine other than my USB speakers don't work [12:06] <Epod69> LinuxJones, i have the 686 already installed and in use [12:07] <LinuxJones> Epod69, once you've booted into the kernel you can then install nvidia drivers [12:07] <weejamer> does anyone know why i cant play mp3's from a default install [12:07] <nickrud> I'd try to figure out what the conexant unknown device 8801 was, and disable in bios. (Step one) [12:07] <LinuxJones> Epod69, are you sure your in the 686 kernel ? [12:07] <LinuxJones> weejamer, mp3 support isn't included in Ubuntu by default [12:07] <Epod69> linuxjones, yes [12:07] <weejamer> can i install the codec [12:07] <SeanRoth> Yeah. [12:08] <Burgundavia> !mp3 [12:08] <ubotu> I guess mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support [12:08] <Burgundavia> weejamer, ^ [12:08] <Epod69> is all i need linux-image-2.6.10-5-686 and linux-image-686 ? [12:09] <weejamer> yes burgundavia? [12:09] <Epod69> and what is the restricted linux-686 for? [12:09] <weejamer> thanx ubotu [12:09] <Burgundavia> weejamer, see the link ubotu posted [12:09] <LinuxJones> Epod69, I am looking at the dependencies for nvidia-glx but don't see any reference to the 386 kernel. Have you upgraded your system since installing ? [12:09] <Snippy> weejamer, well nothing works here.. :( [12:09] <crashd> hmm [12:10] <Epod69> LinuxJones, yes, ill do it again though, maybe I should restart so that the only kernel to select is the 686 one [12:10] <Snippy> brb guys.. have to restart.. wish me luck ;) [12:10] <crashd> trying to configure wifi, iwconfig throws up "Rx: invalid nwid" [12:10] <nickrud> BTJustice, does that ring any bells? [12:10] <crashd> which the WiFiTroubleshooting reckons is wrong essid [12:10] <BTJustice> nickrud: Des what ring any bells? [12:10] <LinuxJones> Epod69, yeah upgrade then re-boot into the 686 kernel, you should be ok from then on. [12:10] <Epod69> k [12:10] <Epod69> brb [12:11] <crashd> any ideas? [12:11] <nickrud> conflicts between sound cards; do you have an onboard sound chip you can disable? [12:11] <BTJustice> nickrud: Oh. The Conexant? I believe that is my modem. [12:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> does anyone know how to install realplayer? [12:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> the directions suck [12:11] <nickrud> BTJustice, which, the communication or multimedia on? [12:11] <McScruff> lo i mounted an iso image, how do i unmount it? [12:11] <nickrud> *one [12:11] <BTJustice> nickrud: Communication [12:12] <nickrud> BTJustice, so, the multimedia one is the one I'd check [12:13] <BTJustice> nickrud: The multimedia one is part of my MSI TV Card [12:14] <Spudchat> anyone know where i could find the driver for my dell's onboard speakers? [12:15] <Spudchat> it doesnt allow me to hear sound in some games for linux [12:15] <Epod69> im in the 686 kernel with no other kernel installed, and nvidia-glx still needs the 386 kernel to be installed =( [12:15] <nickrud> BTJustice, k, [12:15] <LokeDK> how do i use WPA-PSK? [12:15] <BTJustice> Looks like it is a sound problem day in the channel [12:16] <LokeDK> or set it up [12:16] <Joose^> hi [12:17] <Epod69> anyone else using the 686 kernel with nvidia ? [12:19] <nickrud> BTJustice, well, let's just do it. sudo modprobe snd-emu10k1 [12:20] <nickrud> where o where is crimson when you need him :) [12:20] <BTJustice> nickrud: I enter that. Now what? [12:21] <nickrud> BTJustice, do the lsmod | grep snd again. you should have something like Snippy flooded :) [12:21] <Firebird> Hi [12:21] <Snippy> heh I'm back [12:23] <SeanRoth> How do I view hidden files in the terminal? [12:23] <nickrud> SeanRoth, ls -a [12:23] <SeanRoth> Thanks. [12:23] <Snippy> so guys.. still no luck.. :( [12:23] <Spudchat> well how would i stop any device that is using my audio device? [12:23] <funkyHat> are the ubuntu repository servers still playing up for everyone else? [12:23] <BTJustice> nickrud: http://pastebin.ca/19466 [12:23] <nickrud> sound sucks right now, although it's better :) [12:23] <Spudchat> sorry any program that is using the device? [12:24] <nickrud> BTJustice, success! System->preferences->Multmedia selector: audio sink to alsa, and test [12:26] <dbernar1> funkyHat: ya, they play up for me, whatever playing up means. [12:26] <funkyHat> heh, playing up = not working properly [12:27] <dbernar1> which ones, funkyHat ? [12:27] <BTJustice> nickrud: Is that the same thing as Control Center > Sound & Multimedia > SOund System? [12:27] <nickrud> BTJustice, kde? [12:28] <funkyHat> security.ubuntu.com [12:28] <BTJustice> yes [12:28] <szaz> anyone about with madwifi experience? [12:28] <bimberi> Snippy: was the reboot to try the acpi_irq_isa=7 thing? [12:28] <nickrud> BTJustice, if you have a soundblaster, cat /dev/urandom will make noise, if your sound is working [12:28] <nickrud> BTJustice, heh [12:28] <Snippy> bimberi, yes [12:29] <Snippy> bimberi, no luck at all [12:29] <nickrud> BTJustice, if you have a soundblaster, cat /dev/urandom /dev/dsp will make noise, if your sound is working [12:29] <bimberi> Snippy: k - pity :( [12:29] <nickrud> fingers, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp [12:29] <Snippy> ok guys, right now, I tried just everything.. but NOTHING worked.. not even a little *bip* out of the speakers.. [12:29] <Snippy> now lemme check if the speakers are in the right hole O_O [12:30] <BTJustice> nickrud: nothing [12:30] <Snippy> oh my.. [12:30] <Snippy> now I'm feeling like a real idiot [12:30] <Snippy> REALLY [12:30] <gfxstyler> hi [12:30] <nickrud> hm, i don't have dmix working, so I can't test that last line. Was it right? [12:31] <dbernar1> funkyHat: I dont use ubuntu...well, ask someone else, what is it not doing for you? [12:31] <BTJustice> nickrud: Do I need ot reboot? [12:31] <gfxstyler> i got some network problems [12:31] <nickrud> BTJustice, no. [12:31] <Snippy> oh my god.. they werent in ANY hole.. [12:31] <Snippy> >______< [12:31] <ubuntu> he said hole [12:31] <bimberi> Snippy, Snippy, Snippy :) [12:31] <JoRock> is there any difference between the WEP and WEP 40/128 that I need to add to my /etc/network/interfaces file? [12:31] <gfxstyler> i have to type this "route add default gw ....." stuff every time i reboot my computer, it wont save my settings [12:31] <Snippy> omg no that cant beee.. [12:32] <nickrud> I haven't used kde recently enough to know what to use to test sound properly. [12:32] <Snippy> I DID not took em out [12:32] <NightRider> Hmmh [12:32] <piksi> possible to be able to install ubuntu 5.04 but use newer kernel? [12:32] <Snippy> >_< I'm really feeling like an idiot.. wasting you guys's time.. [12:32] <Snippy> oh my [12:32] <ubuntu> oh me oh my [12:32] <mjr> piksi, you can install any kenrel you like afterwards, just won't be supported [12:32] <ompaul> piksi, yes, but really why would you do that, because it would not really be Ubuntu anymore :) [12:32] <Snippy> sound is .. working [12:32] <Snippy> BUUUUUT somehow very bad quality [12:32] <ubuntu> then listen up [12:32] <NightRider> How can I manage windows's hard disks in ubuntu? [12:32] <Snippy> chopping etc [12:33] <funkyHat> dbernar1, i get 'Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)' for 2 of the repositories, and 'This HTTP server has broken range support [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] ' for the other one [12:33] <NightRider> I would like to copy some files [12:33] <segfault2k> SeanRoth: [12:33] <SeanRoth> Yeah? [12:33] <segfault2k> do yun know how to istnall e17 ? [12:33] <Chaotic_Reality> NightRider, you could use samba if it's a different computer. [12:33] <segfault2k> *you *install [12:33] <NightRider> No, the same pc [12:33] <ubuntu> emerge [12:33] <segfault2k> mount [12:33] <ubuntu> unite [12:34] <ubuntu> umount [12:34] <NightRider> I have windows installed on an ntfs drive and ubuntu on second drive [12:34] <szaz> i take it theres still noone about who knows antthing about wifi and madwifi drivers? [12:34] <piksi> mjr, ompaul: my problem is that both debian sarge and ubuntu 5.04 fail at install tring to detect my sata hdd and atapi over sata dvd (this is a new laptop) BUT knoppix 4.0 does recognize them because it has newer kernel afaik [12:34] <ixion^^> hi, which manual should I be looking at I've tried ifconfig and interfaces but cant see how to turn promiscuous mode on for an interface? [12:34] <szaz> anyone!!! [12:34] <szaz> please!!! [12:34] <BTJustice> nickrud: Control Center > Sound & Multimedia > Sound System has a test button. Selecting ALSA does nothing. [12:34] <SeanRoth> segfault2k: Hold on, one second. [12:34] <piksi> mjr,ompaul : so even installing fails immediately at detection, no partitions found and no cdrom found [12:34] <ompaul> piksi, that is a reasonable reason :) [12:35] <ubuntu> i keep trying to install gentoo, but i get lost in the manual then have to start over [12:35] <Snippy> how can I fix this bad sound ? o_O [12:35] <NightRider> Hmh [12:35] <ompaul> piksi, however check if the relevant module is in the source for your existing kernel [12:35] <ubuntu> maybe i had too much beer waiting for the stage three tarball to unload [12:35] <NightRider> How do I use umount? [12:35] <Chaotic_Reality> NightRider, I believe you can mount the ntfs partition, but I am not sure how off the top of my head. [12:35] <NightRider> Hmhm [12:35] <NightRider> Well [12:36] <johanbr> ixion^^: From ifconfig manpage: "promisc Enable or disable the promiscuous mode of an interface" [12:36] <piksi> ompaul: there were some missing [12:36] <Snippy> errrr brb [12:36] <NightRider> I only need to read data from there, I'm not willing to write anything, if that help [12:36] <NightRider> s [12:36] <piksi> ompaul: i tried loading with insmod and checked with modprobe during the install [12:36] <Pega> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#gettingstarted there is also how to mount ntfs read only [12:36] <piksi> ompaul: didnt' help, some are apparently missing [12:36] <Pega> search the page with ntfs and the firs that comes out [12:36] <ixion^^> hmm maybe I was spelling it wrong [12:36] <piksi> ompaul: so i guess i need ubuntu install with newer/different kernel than current, i was hoping that the installation was possible from knoppix (which i have installed) [12:37] <ompaul> piksi, so then it is install a new kernel and live with it until Ubuntu catches up :) [12:37] <segfault2k> SeanRoth: thanks [12:37] <ubuntu> does anyone know how to not get lost in the manual of Gentoo while trying to install it from a live cd? [12:38] <Pega> NightRider, did you notice my message? Just to make sure... :P [12:38] <SeanRoth> segfault2k: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46105 There's a howto on installing E17. [12:38] <NightRider> Yes thanks for that [12:39] <Pega> k, np [12:39] <ixion^^> johanbr, any chance you know what the syntax for it is, I'm trying ifconfig eth0 promisc and ifconfig eth0 promisc but I'm not convinced anything is happening, no output in dmesg [12:40] <ubuntu> goodbye [12:40] <gfxstyler> can someone tell me in which file the ip adress and gateway adress is stored? [12:40] <ixion^^> try /etc/network/interfaces [12:40] <ixion^^> thats the config, not sure what your question is tbh [12:41] <gfxstyler> i have to add the default gateway adress everytime i reboot the computer and that sucks badly [12:41] <ixion^^> yeh stick it in there [12:41] <ixion^^> just type gateway x.x.x.x [12:41] <ixion^^> on the correct interface [12:41] <gfxstyler> okay i'll do it [12:42] <ixion^^> then, route del default gw x.x.x.x [12:42] <ixion^^> to remove the route [12:42] <ixion^^> then ifdown eth0 [12:42] <ixion^^> and ifup eth0 [12:42] <ixion^^> and then see if you can reach an external IP [12:42] <crashd> how do you un-modprobe something [12:42] <crashd> to take that particular driver out ? [12:42] <brettcar> crashd: rmmod [12:42] <nickrud> crashd, rmmod <module>, if it's set up right [12:42] <crashd> k, cool [12:42] <piksi> ompaul: well, thanks anyway :-) [12:43] <segfault2k> SeanRoth: yeah, i followed that howto, but my system install e16 [12:43] <gfxstyler> im testing it out, see you later :) thanks [12:43] <segfault2k> i've edited the apt preferences [12:43] <segfault2k> but i dont know what happen [12:43] <crashd> eurgh [12:43] <crashd> wifi is giving me a headache [12:43] <weejamer> does anyone know why i cant play mp3's from a default install [12:44] <ixion^^> because its illigal to supply the codecs with the standard install [12:44] <nickrud> crashd, the kernel does not guarantee you can rmmod an installed module, but it does work often [12:44] <mjr> weejamer, you can thank software patents for that [12:44] <ixion^^> crashd, what wifi card? or more importantly, what chipset [12:44] <weejamer> so where do i get the codec ixion^^ [12:44] <ixion^^> universe/multiverse [12:44] <crashd> ixion^^: well, ubuntu reports it as admtek 8211 [12:45] <weejamer> ??? [12:45] <bimberi> !restricted [12:45] <ubotu> methinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [12:45] <bimberi> weejamer: ^^^ [12:45] <ixion^^> crashd, the best way to troublshoot wifi problems is to determine the chipset and then google for ubuntu "chipset" [12:45] <airmikey> what plugin do i need for firefox to see video [12:45] <endee> hey . anyone can help me how to intall alsa drivers on my laptop on ubuntu ? [12:45] <ixion^^> probably the vlc one airmikey [12:46] <SeanRoth> segfault2k: Did you follow every step? [12:46] <crashd> ooh [12:46] <nickrud> airmikey, mozilla-mplayer works also [12:46] <crashd> i think ive got it working with ndiswrapper [12:46] <crashd> it suddenly lit up like a christmas tree [12:46] <ixion^^> ndissrapper is evil, but it is easier :) [12:46] <crashd> aye [12:46] <crashd> i tried the opensource 8211 driver [12:46] <crashd> but it's screwed [12:47] <airmikey> cool...thx guys [12:47] <ixion^^> do ndiswrapper --list [12:47] <ixion^^> shud tell you the status of the hardware [12:48] <JoRock> when you are using a wep password do you have to specify the protocal in /etc/network/interfaces [12:48] <Snippy> ok guys [12:48] <Snippy> somehow.. it works fine now with my sound.. playing a mp3 atm [12:48] <Snippy> what a magic [12:48] <crashd> ahar [12:48] <crashd> it works now :] [12:48] <Snippy> god I'm feeling so bad.. [12:48] <nickrud> lol, Snippy don't [12:49] <nickrud> it's magic, you're right [12:49] <Firebird> Snippy, feeling bad 'coz it works now ? [12:49] <Snippy> but the speaker.. dude the speakeeeers wherent plugged in.. [12:49] <dbernar1> No, he is just copying queen. [12:49] <Snippy> -h [12:49] <nickrud> Snippy, BTJustice was right :) [12:49] <Snippy> yeah.. [12:49] <Snippy> haha.. [12:49] <nickrud> been there, as I said ;P [12:50] <Snippy> but hey, atleaaast I've got another problem.. [12:50] -Dudowicz:#ubuntu- www.SursaL.Ten.Lt All You Need , mIRC Spamers unavaible , WareZ PortaL! !! [12:50] -Dudowicz:#ubuntu- www.SursaL.Ten.Lt All You Need , mIRC Spamers unavaible , WareZ PortaL! !! [12:50] -Dudowicz:#ubuntu- www.SursaL.Ten.Lt All You Need , mIRC Spamers unavaible , WareZ PortaL! !! [12:50] -Dudowicz:#ubuntu- www.SursaL.Ten.Lt All You Need , mIRC Spamers unavaible , WareZ PortaL! !! [12:50] <Snippy> playing mp3, no sound from other apps.. I know about this.. and I read somewhere how to fix it but dont remember :( [12:50] <dbernar1> unavaible... [12:51] <nickrud> !sound [12:51] <ubotu> I heard sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 [12:51] <^thehatsrule^> Added *!*USERNAME@85.206.65.15 to ignore list [12:51] <logical_mark> hey can anyone help me out for a sec. I am new to linux and have a few questions [12:51] <Firebird> Snippy, did you install sox and all these nifty codecs ? [12:52] <dbernar1> ;) [12:52] <Snippy> hey.. only xmms works now.. nothing else gives sound [12:52] <ixion^^> logical_mark, just ask [12:52] <Snippy> no firebird [12:52] <Firebird> Snippy, that would be a good start [12:52] <Chromance> Anyone know where I Can find the hardware support list for Ubunutu? can't seem to find it [12:52] <Firebird> it's in the "first step install doc" [12:52] <segfault2k> [18:46] <SeanRoth> segfault2k: Did you follow every step? <- yeah [12:52] <Snippy> oh.. [12:53] <logical_mark> lol - well I just started messing with linux last week and so far the best distro I have found is ubuntu b/c it recognizes ALL my hardware without any problems. My biggest problem is installing programs. Mostly b/c I dont know how. [12:53] <Snippy> what do they do, firebird? [12:53] <Firebird> make it available for the system to play all sorts of sounds [12:53] <nickrud> Chromance, you might start at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=hardware&titlesearch=Titles [12:53] <logical_mark> I tried to install a .deb package of skype but that when I click on it in my Menu -> Internet -> Skype, nothing happens [12:53] <joe__> logical_mark, ubuntuguide.org is really good [12:54] <logical_mark> I will check it out thanks joe_ [12:54] <ixion^^> logical_mark, could you not find a package in teh universe/multiverse sources? [12:54] <nickrud> heh, ubuntuguide, it's getting edited? [12:54] <ixion^^> synaptic [12:54] <Snippy> firebird: I see.. where is the doc located? [12:54] <logical_mark> lol, I have no clue what the universe/multiverse sources are [12:54] <avanspronsen> !ubuntuguide [12:54] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why. [12:54] <tiglionabbit> hey guys, how can I find out what temperature my CPU is right now? [12:55] <logical_mark> I tried synaptic but it dosnt have skype or limiewire [12:55] <Firebird> Snippy, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs [12:55] <nickrud> !tell logical_mark about components [12:55] <logical_mark> or really anything i am looking for [12:55] <McScruff> what is mcopy, i need it but dont have it :( [12:55] <Firebird> Snippy, it might be worth a try [12:55] <tiglionabbit> logical_mark: you can get skype from it's own repository. Go to the skype webpage [12:55] <Snippy> Firebird, lets hope ;) [12:55] <tiglionabbit> http://skype.com [12:56] <logical_mark> tiglionabbit, this is all I find there http://www.skype.com/products/skype/linux/ [12:56] <logical_mark> should I be looking somewhere else [12:56] <avanspronsen> logical_mark: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto [12:56] <Firebird> tiglionabbit, install lm-sensors, run sensors-detect and then /etc/init.d/modutils depmod -a, and check in any temperature application [12:56] <logical_mark> thanks avans [12:56] <avanspronsen> logical_mark: np [12:56] <Snippy> firebird, ok doing this now, brb :) [12:56] <Firebird> Snippy, K [12:56] <ixion^^> logical_mark, before you bother with any of that find out what universe and multiverse are [12:57] <ixion^^> just google ubuntu multiverse [12:57] <logical_mark> I'll google it now [12:57] <avanspronsen> logical_mark: you should always have a look at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation first if you have questions [12:57] <ixion^^> or universe will probably give you better results [12:57] <hybrid_goth> is there a knofabulator or dashboard equal for Linux? [12:57] <joe__> is there a window manager that works the way the Mac menu bar works (i.e. when i scroll my mouse over the icons they get bigger and easy to see) [12:57] <Firebird> Snippy, to avoid having to type your password for each sudo.... do sudo -s -H [12:57] <ixion^^> basically, those sources have crap loads of software [12:57] <avanspronsen> hybrid_goth: gDesklets [12:57] <tiglionabbit> logical_mark: oh I forgot, it's in the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto [12:57] <logical_mark> thanks avanspronsen I will do that now that I knwo it is there [12:57] <hybrid_goth> avanspronsen: ty [12:58] <avanspronsen> logical_mark: no problems, lots of good stuff there [12:58] <avanspronsen> hybrid_goth: np bud! [12:58] <logical_mark> avans are you running ubuntu? [12:58] <nickrud> gdesklets??!! [12:58] <Snippy> firebird: I just use the root terminal..? works too oO [12:58] <cut0ff> hi there [12:58] <avanspronsen> logical_mark: yes [12:58] <Firebird> Snippy, right [12:58] <logical_mark> I looked at slax and really liked what I saw, but no support for my centrino wireless [12:59] <Snippy> Firebird, can I query you for a sec? [12:59] <logical_mark> thanks for the help guys. This is one of the most supportive distro communities i have found. [12:59] <avanspronsen> logical_mark: Ubuntu is the best distro I have tried, and I have tried a lot of them :-) [12:59] <logical_mark> yeah me to avans [12:59] <joe__> logical_mark, ditto [12:59] <logical_mark> I like the ease and hardware support [01:00] <logical_mark> and like i just said all you guys are not asses to people with questions [01:00] <joe__> the community is great [01:00] <avanspronsen> hardware support, community, install, defaults, etc...all top notch [01:00] <joe__> avanspronsen, well, maybe not install [01:00] <logical_mark> I am going to go lookup that multiverse stuff and read up in wikipedia. thanks for the help [01:00] <Firebird> Snippy, sure [01:01] <avanspronsen> joe__: I like the install, very simple, maybe the partitioning could use some work but otherwise nice and simple [01:01] <nickrud> joe__, it's just that most of us have been burned on installs, and sound, and networking, and ... :)\ [01:01] <joe__> nickrud, true, it's functionally great [01:02] <joe__> and i personally dont have a problem with it at all [01:02] <joe__> i'm used to installing debian, though [01:02] <joe__> and i've heard there are some good graphical installers that may be easier for novices [01:02] <chrissturm> i am running a ati card with fglrx driver and dual head. how can i configure on what screen my login screen appears? [01:05] <tiglionabbit> Firebird: I think I did it wrong and it didn't work [01:06] <tiglionabbit> gkrellm reports all temperature sensors as 0 [01:06] <k-0tik> may not have a temperature sensor [01:07] <k-0tik> try out superkaramba also its the same as gkrellm but i like it better because it sits on your desktop all tranlucent and shit [01:07] <k-0tik> its hto [01:08] <crashd> hmm [01:09] <crashd> how do i move panel applets around? [01:09] <Firebird> tiglionabbit, but do you have sensors detected ? when you type the command "sensors", does it display the different temperature and fan speeds ? [01:10] <mjr> crashd, drag with middle button or choose move from applet context menu [01:10] <Firebird> crashd, right click -> move ? [01:11] <crashd> yah, i tried that, but i cant put a new applet in the default ubuntu one in the top right corner [01:11] <nickrud> crashd, you need to unlock the applets that are blocking: right click, unlock [01:12] <tiglionabbit> Firebird: oh, thanks, that does show my CPU temperature [01:12] <n3x4> hi, does anyone know what to press when you're installing ubuntu and you're at the blue screen when it's finished installing and you've rebooted, because it says like 'change your timezone' and I go to the 'ok' area through 'tab' , but how do I activate it? because as soon as I click enter, or space it goes to the invisible prompt and the blue screen moves up, and I have to restart to try again.. help is greatly appreciated [01:14] <Firebird> tiglionabbit, that means you have installed the sensors correctly. Now with gdesklets (that you should install) you'll have multiple ways to display temperature on your desktop [01:14] <cappiz> i have found some thread at the forums about freenx.. but i dont seemt to be abel to install it... someone got a "working" guide for hoary? [01:14] <tiglionabbit> Firebird: thank you [01:14] <Firebird> tiglionabbit, de nada [01:14] <direwolf> i dont like the fcc [01:14] <Firebird> cappiz, weah, I heard freenx rules [01:14] <n3x4> anyone? [01:15] <phixion> if I use btdownloadcurses to download, how can i make an alias for it, so i dont have to type it all out, maybe just "torrent torrentname.torrent" in console to make it start? [01:15] <cappiz> hu Firebird ? [01:15] <kezz> use ln -s [01:15] <weejamer> does anyone know how to switch between 2 sound devices in linux [01:15] <kezz> or tab complete [01:15] <Firebird> cappiz, freenx is on the Ubuntu apt repositories... you should be able to apt-get it [01:16] <nickrud> phixion, maybe, alias btd='btdownloadcurses' [01:16] <weejamer> does anyone know how to switch between 2 sound devices in linux [01:16] <Firebird> cappiz, eventually, read http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ <- that's an excellent help, it also have new repositories to have more applications [01:16] <cappiz> Firebird what line i need in sources.list then? [01:16] <cappiz> cause i dont get it [01:16] <phixion> nickrud, where would I put that? [01:16] <direwolf> im not sure in gnome ...ive been usin xfce [01:16] <Firebird> cappiz, it's all explained in the website I just gave you [01:17] <avanspronsen> !ubuntuguide [01:17] <ubotu> I heard ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why. [01:17] <weejamer> does anyone know how to switch between 2 sound devices in linux [01:17] <tiglionabbit> phixion: to make an alias, say "alias thealias='The Long Command'" To make it permanent, add that line to your .bashrc file [01:17] <phixion> thanks alot for the help :) [01:17] <direwolf> weejamer please dont repeat yourself, give people some time and someone will help you [01:17] <phixion> do you know a way of making it prompt for a certain string? [01:18] <weejamer> oooookkkkaaaaaayyyy [01:18] <Firebird> ubotu, it looks to me to be filled with plenty of explanation. If you heard about it, did you also check it out ? [01:18] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, Firebird [01:18] <nickrud> phixion, I keep those in .bash_aliases, sourced from .bashrc [01:18] <avanspronsen> Firebird: ubotu is a bot of sorts with automated responses :-) [01:19] <Firebird> That's exactly what I thought [01:19] <Firebird> didn't reply to version either... obviously a bot [01:19] <nickrud> a stroked bot, tho, Firebird :) [01:20] <avanspronsen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation is roughly the equivalent link on the wiki [01:20] <weejamer> <<<<not alowed to repeat myself but can anyone help me with sound card issues [01:20] <chrissturm> what package is mscorlib.dll in? [01:20] <Firebird> nickrud, hehe [01:20] <phixion> tiglionabbit, do i have to reload bash.rc after adding to it? the command i added isnt recognised [01:20] <direwolf> weejamer: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22162.html [01:21] <Firebird> philips, exec bash [01:21] <Firebird> oops [01:21] <Firebird> phixion, erm, try exec bash [01:21] <nickrud> phixion, source ~/.bashrc to reload [01:21] <direwolf> i love google [01:22] <sun> is there a way to recompile firefox with special options? --enable-pango [01:22] <phixion> thx [01:22] <phixion> both :) [01:22] <Firebird> oh right... source works also [01:22] <cappiz> Firebird great works :D [01:22] <piksi> em, can anyone tell me reason why apt-get dist-upgrade wants to uninstall mount [01:22] <piksi> and install mount-aes instead [01:22] <weejamer> that did not fix my issue direwolf [01:24] <Firebird> cappiz, hehe, nice ;) [01:24] <sun> bump [01:24] <tiglionabbit> nickrud: well the distro has been out for a while, people have learned the basics and are going to start screwing around with things that are harder [01:25] <nickrud> tiglionabbit, yeah, I've noticed [01:25] <nickrud> low hanging fruit is harder to find :) [01:25] <tiglionabbit> it's a good thing [01:25] <tiglionabbit> we're getting smarter [01:25] <brandon> Hey, I have a problem with Apache [01:25] <tiglionabbit> see, the docteam would have us believe that "normal users don't use apache" [01:25] <direwolf> who doesnt [01:26] <weejamer> hello i got a problem with 2 sound devices how do i switch between the 2 devices [01:26] <Firebird> brandon, a few had problems with Apache already.. that program is a biatch, but hey, we love and need it [01:26] <brandon> I installed it with apt-get, and the /var/www directory won't let me save any files in it [01:26] <brandon> Yeah, it's the permissions [01:26] <nickrud> tiglionabbit, well, who need's a local webserver, unless you're using debian doc stuff? [01:26] <tiglionabbit> weejamer: system -> preferences -> multimedia systems selector ? [01:26] <Firebird> weejamer, I suppose you didn't repeat yourself :) [01:26] <brandon> It won't let me change permissions either [01:26] <weejamer> lol firebird [01:26] <Firebird> brandon, you have to use apt-get as superuser [01:26] <nickrud> which never was good enough, anyway [01:27] <brandon> I put sudo in front of it... [01:27] <tiglionabbit> brandon: you need to be super user to edit directories outside of /home [01:27] <avanspronsen> brandon: I usually create my own dir as my www root folder [01:27] <weejamer> tiglionabbit the option is not there? but thans [01:27] <weejamer> thanks^ [01:27] <nickrud> tiglionabbit, I spoke without thinking: cups [01:27] <tiglionabbit> weejamer: oh, true, I don't really know [01:27] <brandon> Oh...is there any way to make my account superuser? [01:27] <jim_> i've got a question so stupid it hurts. [01:28] <tiglionabbit> brandon: well, you can run anything as root [01:28] <Firebird> brandon, it's not a good idea at all to do everything with a super user account [01:28] <jim_> i'm running ubuntu on two machines along with three windows 2k machines. [01:28] <tiglionabbit> brandon: using sudo, or sudo -s to become root-ish. Are you familiar with the terminal? [01:28] <brandon> Yeah [01:28] <direwolf> wee are both devices showing up? ... lspci and/or lsusb [01:28] <brandon> A little, I don't know too much about it [01:28] <cappiz> Firebird the sound isnt working though... [01:29] <weejamer> tiglionabbit if i goto volume control and can goto file>Change device but that don't work either [01:29] <Firebird> cappiz, did you check the cables, the volume ? [01:29] <tiglionabbit> brandon: okay, in that case, just do applications -> run application, and type in "gksudo" followed by the name of the program you want to run. It will then run with root permissions and ask you your password [01:29] <tiglionabbit> weejamer: I think Ubuntu uses all of your devices at the same time, and all that matters is the individual volume control for each one. Open the volume control panel, switch devices, and start turning things up and unmuting them [01:30] <jim_> i can't get the two ubuntu machines to talk to one another, though they see one another. [01:30] <cappiz> wel... i get sound locally at the computer... cause when i plugin the cabel to the host itself it works [01:30] <miguel> hello everyone! [01:30] <cappiz> but not over NX client [01:30] <brandon> Alright, I can save things in it now. But how do I delete files in there? [01:30] <Chromance> anyone know how I can get my Grub back for dual boot? I did a new install of windows . Now I can't get my ubuntu linux goin [01:30] <weejamer> hmmm intresting idea tiglionabbit [01:30] <brandon> I need to delete /var/www/index.html [01:30] <warp_> h [01:30] <warp_> hi [01:30] <warp_> i need help [01:30] <miguel> someone have a source to download mplayer for ubuntu 5.4 [01:31] <Firebird> miguel yes [01:31] <avanspronsen> jim_ what are you using to talk from machine to machine? [01:31] <miguel> Firebird, tellme plz [01:31] <warp_> how can i change form gcc-4.0 to gcc-3.3 [01:31] <weejamer> does not work tiglionabbit [01:31] <bimberi> Chromance: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [01:31] <tiglionabbit> brandon: well, the admins here would kill me if I said "gksudo nautilus". But um, you could "cd" (change directory) to that folder, and "sudo rm" (switch-user + remove) the files [01:31] <Chromance> thanks [01:32] <bimberi> yw :) [01:32] <tiglionabbit> brandon: they think if you run nautilus as root, it will mess up an authority file somewhere [01:32] <jim_> konqueror [01:32] <warp_> how can i change form gcc-4.0 to gcc-3.3????? [01:32] <Firebird> miguel you have to use the multiverse repository [01:32] <direwolf> oops haha [01:32] <tiglionabbit> !info mplayer-386 [01:32] <ubotu> mplayer-386: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6 (hoary), Packaged size: 3499 kB, Installed size: 7592 kB [01:32] <miguel> Firebird, how is that [01:33] <avanspronsen> jim_: what protocol? are you trying to use ssh, samba, ftp? [01:33] <tiglionabbit> miguel: mplayer is in multiverse. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto [01:33] <Firebird> you have to add a line to /etc/apt/sources.list [01:33] <bimberi> warp_: install gcc-3.3 and modify /usr/bin/gcc (which is a shortcut) to point to gcc3.3 [01:34] <Firebird> well I won't continue as tiglionabbit replied already [01:34] <jim_> avanspronsen: i've tried samba. I haven't configured ssh or ftp on either machine. [01:34] <warp_> ok thanks [01:35] <avanspronsen> jim_: what are you trying to do? copy files? adhoc kinda stuff? [01:35] <nickrud> warp_, as bimberi said, but try update-alternatives --config cc [01:36] <bimberi> nickrud: ooh yes - thanks :) [01:36] <warp_> ok [01:36] <brandon> Alright, I changed the command for my jEdit launcher to `gksudo jedit' [01:36] <nickrud> bimberi, thanks, I was just panicing over that, looking up some more docs :) [01:36] <matsur> Hi all, how do I get cool and Quiet working w/ amd64? [01:37] <avanspronsen> jim_: ssh is really easy...in a termincal type "sudo apt-get install ssh" [01:37] <brandon> So that lets me save stuff in my /var/www... [01:37] <avanspronsen> jim_: to install on each machine [01:38] <brandon> But, how could I move a massive amount of files into it? I have a server on Windows too, and I want the server on both OS's. I have my files on a CD, but it won't let me copy the files and paste them in /var/www. [01:38] <Chromance> any new info on the new release of Ubuntu? [01:38] <sun> why is my .bash_profile not sourced when i first login? [01:38] <cappiz> you know what that might be Firetech ? [01:38] <cappiz> ops [01:38] <brandon> Anyone? [01:39] <sun> brandon, i use jEdit too; it rocks! :) [01:40] <nickrud> sun, gdm does not source .bashrc; only terminals do. [01:40] <avanspronsen> brandon: I would have setup a new dir, have you as the owner and www-data as the group. that way you get the access you need and www-data would have the access it needs [01:40] <sun> nickrud, is there a .gdmrc i can mess with? [01:41] <nickrud> sun, ~/.gnomerc is sourced whenever you start a gnome session [01:41] <sun> nickrud, thanks that'll do the trick [01:42] <ubuntu> ubuntu meio doidado... xo voltar pro meu debian [01:42] <avanspronsen> brandon: you can also chmod the default dir too to update the permissions [01:42] <farruinn> I can't get the modem on my 800 MHz eMac to connect, has anyone configured ppp on an eMac? [01:42] <h08817> i need some help please [01:42] <miguel> Firetech, if i just download w32codes,could work with totem? [01:43] <h08817> how do i get my netgear usb to work on a linux computer [01:43] <h08817> i have used it all the time on my windows system [01:43] <h08817> so how do i get it to work in linux? [01:43] <Firetech> Why are everyone highlighting me? [01:43] <miguel> Firebird if i just download w32codes,could work with totem? [01:44] <h08817> netgear wg111 help [01:44] <Firetech> I haven't said anything here for atleast 48 hours [01:44] <avanspronsen> h08817: it is not being automounted? [01:44] <h08817> whatever that means [01:44] <h08817> i just want to get online with my linux machine [01:44] <warp_> other question, i have a sony clie peg-s320, How I can raise photos to him? [01:45] <h08817> do i need a driver or something? [01:45] <Firetech> miguel: Firebird went offline 10 minutes ago. [01:45] <h08817> do i need to configure my internet or what? i am a noob to linux [01:46] <h08817> avanspronsen, how can i get internet on my netgear wg111 usb? [01:46] <warp_> please help me [01:46] <avanspronsen> h08817: sorry, misunderstood, though tyou were talking about a usb thumbdrive [01:47] <Joose^> hi guys.. [01:47] <h08817> nope sorry [01:47] <h08817> can any1 help me with a netgear wg111 usb? [01:47] <Joose^> nah... i cann't configure my modem.. intel 537ep .. is anybody tried to install it? [01:48] <warp_> how can i raise photos to sony clie [01:49] <warp_> anyone have a plam??? [01:49] <warp_> palm [01:49] <lok> what did the server install of ubuntu does exactly ? [01:49] <stumbles> hey [01:50] <lok> a preconfigure install of apache or another server type? or juste a light install ? [01:50] <farruinn> lok: I believe it's a light install, doesn't include gnome etc [01:50] <bimberi> !ndiswrapper [01:50] <ubotu> it has been said that ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper [01:50] <farruinn> I've never tried it though [01:51] <cafuego> lok: The ubuntu server install basically does a 'debian' install ;-) [01:51] <h08817> what does ndiswrapper do? [01:51] <bimberi> h08817: ubotu's post above plus this thread might help you - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51993 [01:51] <Joose^> nah... i cann't configure my modem.. intel 537ep .. is anybody tried to install it? [01:51] <h08817> ok thanks [01:51] <lok> ok thanks [01:51] <bimberi> h08817: it enables you to use windows wireless drivers [01:51] <cafuego> h08817: loads windows drivers into the linux kernel, thus sending the signmal to manufacturers that it's OK to only write windows drivers. [01:52] <h08817> ok i have ndiswrapper installed [01:52] <cafuego> h08817: handy for users who can't check docs before they shop, but politically very bad. [01:52] <h08817> how do i find out the list of drivers it will allow me to install [01:52] <Snippy> hello again people [01:52] <stumbles> how is it finanically viable for Ubuntu to be mailed out to whoever wants it? [01:52] <Snippy> hey cafuego [01:52] <Snippy> got good news for you :P [01:52] <cafuego> Snippy: Stop accusing me! [01:52] <h08817> i need to install netgear usb wg111 [01:53] <Snippy> cafuego hehe:P listen, sound is fixed.. want to know what the problem was? [01:53] <cafuego> Snippy: What was it? [01:53] <cafuego> volume turned down? ;-) [01:53] <direwolf> unfortunately i have to use ndiswrapper [01:53] <Snippy> cafuego, worse [01:53] <cafuego> speakers off? [01:53] <Snippy> cafuego: worse [01:53] <windex> stumbles, its advertising. it says for a limited time. the ubuntu foundation at some point made a decision to produce and ship, for free, the cd's to promote the OS. [01:53] <farruinn> Has anyone configured ppp for an eMac modem? I can't get it to work [01:53] <Snippy> they weren plugged in >___< [01:53] <pax> someone copy their original /etc/apache2/sites-available/default to pastebin for me [01:53] <Snippy> +t [01:53] <h08817> thanks for the link i think there is something useful there [01:54] <direwolf> for my main tasks anyway ....ahem peripheral ahem ...i can use the linux driver modules for though [01:54] <cafuego> "Of je stopt de stekker erin" [01:54] <Xenguy> stumbles: it's not "financially viable"; it's an act of charity and generosity [01:54] <Snippy> cafuego, funny uh? I'm feeling so.. idiotic somehow >_< [01:54] <cafuego> farruinn: is is detected as /dev/ttySX ? [01:54] <cafuego> Snippy: Well you know, happens to the best of us ;-) [01:55] <farruinn> through the Network dialog I click "detect automatically" and it says it can't detect anything [01:55] <Snippy> hehe yea.. [01:55] <bimberi> Snippy: Let he who hath never made a silly mistake cast the first stone :) [01:55] <Snippy> anyway, I've got a question.. I got a 120 GB NTFS partition full of important files for me.. how can I access it without restrictions.. maybe even change the partition without moving or losing the files.. any guess? [01:55] <Snippy> hehe [01:56] <cafuego> Snippy: "not" [01:56] <mevvis> hi [01:56] <factotum> hello mevvis [01:56] <Joose^> nah... i cann't configure my modem.. intel 537ep .. has anybody tried to install it? [01:56] <cafuego> Snippy: You can READ the files with no problems, but you can't write to that partition without destroying it. [01:56] <Snippy> I've heard that it IS possible to even change the partition without moving / erasing files.. [01:56] <jim__> hello everyone... anyone good with shortcuts? [01:56] <Xenguy> Snippy: partition magic, or some such [01:57] <farruinn> I've tried configuring things through the Network settings dialog as well as with pppconfig [01:57] <cafuego> Snippy: Oh, parted yes... keep in mind that has a disclaimer stating to have a backup, coz it MAY mess up. [01:57] <jim__> I need to set the workpath in the shortcut can anyone help? [01:57] <Snippy> but this will delete the files? [01:57] <Nomad_1> "Extreme Computing": Most people think high powered hardware, I think 'body armor required' (I'm not sure but I think right now is the first time anyone's dinked around on their computer with body armor on :) ) [01:57] <cafuego> Snippy: No, it will move the partition boundaries, but keep the files intact. [01:57] <Snippy> when I change the partition to ext3.. from ntfs.. wont it destroy the files? o_O [01:57] <Snippy> ohh [01:57] <Xenguy> Snippy: you want software that will do non-destructive partitioning [01:57] <Snippy> yes [01:58] <farruinn> In /var/log/syslog it gets to "chat[pid] expect(OK)" then I get "chat[pid] alarm" "chat[pid] failed" [01:58] <cafuego> Snippy: No, if you change the partition type, a few bytes are flipped in the MBR. The problem is when you then run 'mkfs' - that DOES erase everything :-) [01:58] <Snippy> what is mkfs? [01:58] <cafuego> Snippy: The actual 'format' equivalent used to make new filesystems. [01:59] <direwolf> make filesystem (format) [01:59] <Xenguy> Snippy: I've only used PM (d0ze); on linux there is [G|Q] parted, but I've never used them myself... [01:59] <nickrud> Snippy, take it to the bank: changing partition definitions destroys data. [01:59] <Xenguy> Snippy: always have a backup ideally before using such s/w [01:59] <Snippy> how the heck would I backup 120 GB ? >_< it's filled.. [01:59] <sun> how can i run multiple X servers? i want to run different WMs on the same machine [01:59] <jim__> anyone know about creating menu items for cedega games?? [01:59] <cafuego> Snippy: What's yer budget? [01:59] <direwolf> a bunch of dvd's [02:00] <Snippy> I'm student oO [02:00] <direwolf> another hd...etc [02:00] <cafuego> direwolf: By the time you add cost of media plus time spent burning, a new HDD is cheaper. [02:00] <direwolf> agreed [02:00] <Snippy> my DVD Burner is.. hehe well.. broken.. [02:00] <direwolf> hd it is! [02:00] <Snippy> and yes its plugged in :P [02:00] <direwolf> ;) [02:00] <cafuego> woo, dvd2 is dibe [02:01] <cafuego> done [02:01] <Snippy> so there is absolutly NO chance of just changing the partition type from ntfs to ext3 WITHOUT destroyin' data? *crys* [02:01] <cafuego> Snippy: None whatsoever. [02:01] <nickrud> Snippy, not an effing chance [02:01] <direwolf> i saw a link on digg.com someone selling 200gb hd's $70 us [02:01] <Snippy> what does effing mean? [02:02] <cafuego> Snippy: That works from ext2 to ext3 and not EVER any other time. [02:02] <Snippy> I see.. [02:02] <Snippy> damn o_O [02:02] <dooglus> it works for ext3 to ext2 too [02:02] <Snippy> c'mon guys.. dont make jokes with me.. there MUST be a way.. [02:02] <nickrud> means I'm skirting the code of conduct :) [02:03] <factotum> If there is a way, linux install would have that option at boot time [02:03] <cafuego> Snippy: No, there is NO way. [02:03] <Snippy> damn [02:03] <factotum> your outa luck [02:03] <Snippy> and what if I keep NTFS? [02:03] <nickrud> Snippy, it's just a way of saying, back up the stuff on the ntfs partition, if you really want to save the data [02:03] <Snippy> is there a way to read and write to the partition ? [02:03] <cafuego> Snippy: The ONLY way is to back up all that data, then erase and reformat the disk. [02:04] <cafuego> Snippy: No way you'd care to put up with. [02:04] <crashd> if you try and modprobe something and it says invalid format xxxx.ko [02:04] <crashd> what's the deal? [02:04] <direwolf> do you know anyone one who has a drive with enough free space to backup your data? [02:04] <cafuego> yeah, students ought to know other students with 250GB pr0n drives [02:04] <direwolf> perhaps you could borrow it until you get yours repartitioned and reformatted ? [02:05] <windex> Snippy, sata and ide hard disks are currently less than $1/gb. add an external usb enclosure for $40. you've got yourself a backup. [02:05] <direwolf> cafuego hahaha exactly [02:05] <factotum> i was gonna say, if its pron....lmao [02:05] <cafuego> god knows i did at uni :-) [02:05] <Snippy> oh my.. [02:05] <desrt> ya [02:05] <Snippy> I could maybe make my server up [02:05] <direwolf> cafuego...moved up to terabyte network storage eh? [02:05] <Snippy> got 7 pc's around here [02:05] <desrt> your typical university student can round up about a TB of porn on short notice [02:05] <MrGardenHoseMan> anyone know a good /cue splitter? [02:06] <MrGardenHoseMan> .cue* [02:06] <Snippy> but I think that all the HDDs together wont even make 100GB [02:06] <Snippy> lol [02:06] <Snippy> old stuff [02:06] <windex> i'm sure his data is someting innocent, like MS Paint drawings when he was stoned^H^H^H^H^H^Hin a certian state of mind. [02:06] <Snippy> o_O [02:06] <desrt> windex; ^W [02:06] <direwolf> snippy, your 120gb drive is totally full? [02:06] <windex> desrt, right. [02:06] <nickrud> mn, maybe I'll provide a little space on my server for a bit :) [02:06] <Snippy> 10GB alone of website templates I made.. and some GB of designs I made [02:06] <factotum> im guessing its either pron or music [02:06] <Snippy> yes totally full [02:06] <direwolf> first mistake right there [02:06] <cafuego> Snippy: You only need 80GB; after that you can resize ntfs, make an 80G ext3 partition, empty and delete NTFS, grow ext3 in size... [02:07] <desrt> music = earpr0n [02:07] <cafuego> Snippy: Takes more time, but doesn't cost extra. [02:07] <windex> anyway, shame on me, talk about Snippy's hard disk contents are not suitable for #ubuntu. they should go in #ubuntu-offtopic. [02:07] <Stormx> Heya [02:07] <Snippy> lol [02:07] <Snippy> ok porn is there too :P [02:07] <factotum> wow, ive been doing webdev for 4 years, dont think Ive had more that 2 gigs of html code at most lol [02:07] <cafuego> Just trash the pr0n [02:07] <Stormx> Snippy, yeh 10gb of "website templates" eh? [02:08] <Snippy> yes [02:08] <Snippy> + or - [02:08] <direwolf> hahaha [02:08] <cafuego> Stormx: 300dpi photoshop assemblies aren't small. [02:08] <Snippy> years of work stuck in the hdd [02:08] <mevvis> :) bye [02:08] <factotum> id hate to wait for that to load in a browser [02:08] <Stormx> cafuego: I'm a web designer, shutup. [02:08] <Octane> holy crap ubuntu-quickguide takes up 29 megs!! [02:08] <windex> Snippy, you do realize of course, that hard disks fail constantly, and not having a backup of this data if its so valuable is really, really.. unprepared. [02:08] <Snippy> Stormx I'm one too.. [02:08] <Stormx> Snippy: ^_^ [02:08] <Snippy> I know.. [02:09] <Snippy> but I cant afford to buy lots of DVDs [02:09] <Snippy> or another HDD [02:09] <Stormx> Snippy: Do you code? [02:09] <Snippy> I'm learning it [02:09] <Snippy> learning mostly xhtml [02:09] <Snippy> and php [02:09] <Stormx> XHTML + PHP + MySQL = ownage [02:09] <factotum> and the rest of us are stuck building cms's for companies we could care less about [02:09] <cafuego> Stormx: That's =) not =( [02:09] <windex> cafuego, nah. we don't! we seperate web development (server side) and web design (client side). [02:10] <desrt> Stormx; boycott mysql [02:10] <Snippy> I'm building CMS's too :P [02:10] <Stormx> desrt: And use what instead? [02:10] <desrt> Stormx; postgres [02:10] <Snippy> www.snippydesigns.com [02:10] <Snippy> ;) [02:10] <Stormx> Snippy: I'm gonna be designing commercially soon [02:10] <Stormx> Snippy, I'm taking a look. [02:10] <windex> cafuego, we flog people if they ask for flash. [02:10] <Snippy> oh well.. nothings online there :P [02:10] <Stormx> Base_02, snippy? [02:10] <cafuego> yes, switch to a dbms that isn't supported by most web hosting companies, great idea. [02:10] <Snippy> changing design and adding CMs etc [02:10] <Stormx> ^_^ I recognise fonts, how sad. [02:11] <cafuego> windex: That's the way! :-) [02:11] <Snippy> fastly made [02:11] <Snippy> heh [02:11] <Snippy> www.red-claw.com [02:11] <Stormx> Snippy: www.dfusenetwork.com - My current site, getting there....... [02:11] <Snippy> another creation [02:11] <Snippy> gonna have a look :) [02:11] <windex> cafuego, what dbms isin't supported by most web hosting companies, again? [02:11] <Stormx> Snippy: WOW! [02:11] <cafuego> windex: I find that most of them here don't have pgsql [02:11] <Snippy> if you want, I can show you some of my works? [02:11] <Stormx> Snippy: Thats damn good ^_^ [02:11] <Snippy> thanks [02:11] <Stormx> Snippy: You have MSN? [02:12] <windex> cafuego, oh. right. i thought you were saying mysql. _every_ host on the planet has mysql. even yahoo. [02:12] <Snippy> yep [02:12] <cafuego> windex: yeah [02:12] <Stormx> windex: Except MS [02:12] <Snippy> snippy@snippydesigns.com add me ;) [02:12] <Stormx> Snippy: OK Will do ^_^ [02:12] <nickrud> Snippy, what plugin do I need for your site ;( [02:12] <Snippy> :) [02:12] <Snippy> no plugin? :o [02:12] <desrt> Stormx; boycott msn [02:12] <Snippy> its just.. a picture? [02:12] <spike> it needs java plugin [02:12] <Stormx> desrt: Haha. [02:12] <cafuego> desrt: You seem to be awfully busy boycotting [02:13] <windex> Stormx, a lot of microsoft IIS hosting providers provide mysql as well, since it's free and sql server costs money. [02:13] <Snippy> o_O [02:13] <factotum> java...ew [02:13] <Stormx> desrt: I know, but everyone I know uses it. [02:13] <nickrud> ah, ok, I'll get around to that soon enough, never mind :) [02:13] <desrt> cafuego; i don't like bad things [02:13] <Stormx> Bah, where is GAIM... [02:13] <spike> snippy: you have java crap at the bottom [02:14] <factotum> someones been using dreamweaver hehe [02:14] <direwolf> hahaha [02:14] <Snippy> uh yeah.. [02:14] <Snippy> right [02:14] <Snippy> lol [02:14] <Stormx> Snippy! I'm ashamed with you! [02:14] <Snippy> lol [02:14] <Stormx> W3C XHTML Validator Pro - ALL THE WAY! [02:14] <cafuego> desrt: boycott people who ask for boycotts [02:15] <Stormx> (And bluefish on ubuntu) [02:15] <windex> factotum, my business partner is a print designer, more than a web designer. he uses dreamweaver, and it does what he needs it to do and looks good. :P [02:15] <desrt> cafuego; some boycotts are called for [02:15] <factotum> thats good [02:15] <spike> my site is built with dreamwevaer also :) [02:15] <Stormx> BAH!!!! [02:15] <ColonelKernel> high fiber diets work well too [02:15] <windex> factotum, on the other hand, i have to write the code under it. thus: dreamweaver sucks. [02:15] <Stormx> HAND CODE DAMN YOU! [02:15] <spike> :) [02:15] <factotum> exactly [02:15] <nickrud> most, if you look hard enough (my political comment of the month) [02:15] <Snippy> as I said o_O this page is fastly build oO [02:15] <cafuego> desrt: true, but politics and boycotting the US isn't topical here. [02:15] <Stormx> It had better be XHTML Transition - at least! [02:16] <Snippy> the page behind this one.. the locked one is much better:P [02:16] <desrt> cafuego; and where do you live? [02:16] <factotum> works for some, causes seizures for others [02:16] <nickrud> if I may, cafuego lives in the antipodes :) [02:17] <Stormx> I think i'm gonna learn Python [02:17] <Stormx> I know PHP inside out now. [02:17] <factotum> our design dept also has dreamweaver, i just treat them as mockups when i get them and start from scratch [02:17] <factotum> i like perl [02:17] <Snippy> SOME of my works.. http://redclaw-base.com/files/dossier.zip [02:17] <factotum> or as some call it, that damn pos [02:18] <Stormx> Snippy: Hey man, fancy designing commercially? [02:18] <Stormx> Snippy: Me, and three other people, are gonna be part of a Web Design company. [02:18] <Snippy> already got paid to do stuff like that.. [02:18] <Snippy> but.. [02:18] <Stormx> Oh. [02:18] <Stormx> ^_^ [02:18] <Stormx> Wel [02:19] <Stormx> its been at a standstill for a couple of months now [02:19] <Snippy> you know.. I'm going to school and next year I'll be in a special art school.. 2 years then I'm going for Media Designer [02:19] <spike> i should be leaving. i've been vc++ developer for 6 years. but i like ubuntu ;) [02:19] <Stormx> vc++? [02:19] <Stormx> Visual C++? [02:19] <factotum> vis c eh? [02:19] <spike> yes [02:19] <factotum> eech [02:19] <Snippy> heh [02:19] <Stormx> ^_^ I have NEVER heard of that [02:20] <Snippy> so anyone checked my works? [02:20] <Snippy> :o [02:20] <cappiz> someone here that might know why i dont get audio through freenx ? [02:20] <Joose^> hey if i have a extern modem like Us Robotics for serial or com port. .. does ubuntu check it? [02:20] <Stormx> Snippy, hang on.... [02:20] <Snippy> okay ^ [02:20] <windex> spike, you'll find that writing code for X under GTK, Glade is somewhat usable for interfaces. :) [02:20] <nickrud> Joose^, yes, ubuntu should find it [02:20] <windex> spike, but not even close to MSVC++/Borland. [02:20] <spike> well, i am not advertising anything. it just paid my salary [02:21] <nickrud> Joose^, when you run sudo pppconfig to configure your modem link to the net [02:21] <spike> spike.nopastudio.net [02:21] <Stormx> Bah [02:21] <Stormx> I wish I made money [02:21] <Stormx> But im 14 >_> [02:21] <Stormx> I can't get real jobs [02:21] <Joose^> nickrud thax.. but i should be connect to internet not? to ubuntu find it, but how i will connect it? [02:21] <Snippy> Stormx, dont wonder if the names are crapy for the pics lol [02:21] <windex> i was 13-14 when i started using linux. i am now 24. :P [02:21] <Stormx> ^_^ [02:21] <Stormx> windex: What do you do? [02:22] <spike> i am from bulgaria. it is easy to find nice job these days with php and java only [02:22] <nickrud> Joose^, sudo pppconfig (from a terminal) will truly be your friend for connecting to the net [02:22] <spike> and some .net probably [02:22] <nickrud> meh [02:23] <spike> me started with red hat 5.0 and i did not like it [02:23] <windex> Stormx, well, up until last friday i was the admin/developer/unix god at a midsized telecommunications company. now they've run out of money, so i'm working as a consultant, full time. i'd spam my url and junk, but a) that's bad and b) my web designing business partner has been too busy to finish our site, while working on customer sites. [02:23] <cafuego> nickrud: Nah [02:23] <Joose^> nickrud ah oka, thax.. yeah 'cause now i'm on dialup now.. and i cann't configured the damm modem.. [02:23] <Snippy> I started on linux with suse 8.2 [02:23] <Snippy> oh my.. [02:23] <Snippy> lol [02:23] <nickrud> cafuego, thanks [02:23] <cafuego> nickrud: I got distracted by shiny things ;-) [02:23] <Snippy> switched around on the distris [02:23] <Snippy> then got back to windows [02:23] <Snippy> and then redhat 9 [02:23] <Snippy> 2 weeks [02:23] <Snippy> back to windows [02:23] <Snippy> now since few days ubuntu [02:23] <Snippy> never back to windows again [02:23] <ColonelKernel> well, I guess thats it, im sticking with ubuntu for desktop and centos for server - but I wish someone would tell me the patches that ubuntu uses on a stock kernel to make it ubuntu-compatible [02:24] <ColonelKernel> Snippy, never heard of dual boot? [02:24] <nickrud> I do love to peck at shiny things, to my own detriment :) [02:24] <Snippy> stuff changed.. I just used windows for the games.. but now that I can play em with cedega 4.4 I dun care bout windows [02:24] <Snippy> sure I heard of it [02:24] <Snippy> even used it [02:24] <windex> ColonelKernel, erm. you should be able to build a kernel from the kernel source that works with ubuntu. just make sure you enable things for your hardware, hotplug support for hotplug, etc. [02:24] <Snippy> but .. yea takes too much space:P [02:24] <Xenguy> Snippy: maybe 'qemu' also(?) [02:24] <Snippy> ? [02:25] <Xenguy> apt-cache show qemu [02:25] <Stormx> I love ubuntu [02:25] <Stormx> its so.... usuable [02:25] <ColonelKernel> windex, nah, device-mapper doesnt work when you do that, theres ubuntu-specific patches somewhere [02:25] <Stormx> I only use Windows for gaming now. [02:25] <_Moz_> usable [02:25] <_Moz_> stable [02:25] <ColonelKernel> Stormx, me too, and yahoo webcam [02:25] <spike> radio also [02:25] <_Moz_> gameable [02:25] <Stormx> usable, stable, user friendly, DAMN EASY TO INSTALL THINGS, supported, open source, awesome community [02:25] <ColonelKernel> if gaim-vv ever makes 2 way yahoo webcam work, ill leave windows entirely [02:26] <Stormx> You just don't get that with windows [02:26] <_Moz_> funniable [02:26] <Snippy> hmmmmmm [02:26] <Stormx> Microsoft are all like "We are inovative" and stuff [02:26] <Snippy> Xenguy not sure if qemu works like that.. [02:26] <Stormx> but they never say why [02:26] <nickrud> ColonelKernel, if an implementation is choking you, look for another. [02:26] <windex> ColonelKernel, hrm. uh, those are redhat supplied patches. [02:26] <direwolf> in soviet russia, windows gets you! [02:26] <Snippy> did anyone heard about 'vista' aka Longhorn.. what features it has?? [02:26] <Snippy> oh my.. [02:26] <Snippy> ok it MAY be a good OS.. BUT!! [02:26] <spike> i did installed it yesteday [02:26] <ColonelKernel> windex, thats odd, vanilla kernels work fine on fedora [02:26] <windex> ColonelKernel, http://sources.redhat.com/dm/ [02:27] <Stormx> Snippy: Yep, I downloaded it. [02:27] <_Moz_> News from Internet: Windows Vista will have a shell so powerfull as bash [02:27] <Snippy> the function that it checks video files if they aren illegal or stuff like that really sucks [02:27] <spike> vista is soo nice [02:27] <_Moz_> auhuahuhahuahuahuahuahuhuahauhu [02:27] <windex> ColonelKernel, does fedora use device mapper? :P [02:27] <Stormx> Snippy: But I don't have a DVD Drive. [02:27] <ColonelKernel> windex, I do not beleive so. [02:27] <Joose^> well, i have 2 weeks tried to install the damn modem and i still cann't ... damn dial-up [02:27] <direwolf> what it was supposed to have and what it will have are two totally separate things [02:27] <Snippy> vista is nice yes.. [02:27] <Joose^> xD [02:27] <direwolf> and no, its not [02:27] <Stormx> Snippy: Agreed. They did a big crack down on piracy. Gets rid of rights though, doesn't it. [02:27] <Snippy> but this "dont remember the name" is soooo not nice oO [02:27] <direwolf> its a waste [02:27] <avanspronsen> Snippy: Beta 2 will intoruce more of the newer features [02:27] <Joose^> ohh sorry 1 week [02:27] <Snippy> yea.. [02:27] <Stormx> Snippy: The new machines will come with a chip that directly checks stuff [02:27] <nickrud> Joose^, it's really a modem at the end of a cable? [02:27] <direwolf> ubuntu pwns it [02:27] <windex> ColonelKernel, that'd explain why. i know centos uses device-mapper, and it's based on RHEL. i (think) i used those patches. [02:28] <Stormx> What about IE7 though? [02:28] <Stormx> It looks good to me. [02:28] <Snippy> thats why I basically took a breath and switched to linux again [02:28] <direwolf> hahaha [02:28] <windex> ColonelKernel, does that help you in your quest to enjoy ubuntu slightly more? :P [02:28] <Stormx> PNG Alpha channel support!!!! [02:28] <direwolf> ie7 is a joke [02:28] <Joose^> nickrud hehe yeah... [02:28] <Stormx> PNG ALPHA CHANNEL SUPPORT GOD DAMN YOU!!! [02:28] <avanspronsen> Stormx: IE7 is like firefox light, it doesn't even compare [02:28] <spike> yes, but it is a player [02:28] <direwolf> they *might* get around to supporting cdd properly (how much you wanna bet that wont happen) [02:28] <ColonelKernel> windex, i will have to try those out on the latest vanilla and see what happens [02:28] <windex> in other news, microsoft is going to base its new web browser on khtml ... oh wait, someone else did that. [02:28] <Joose^> ie7 the imitation of mozilla [02:28] <direwolf> css* [02:28] <spike> and 90% of the people use it [02:29] <direwolf> ie7 = joke [02:29] <dock> anyone know why my board with turn on with one power supply, but not the other. both work. [02:29] <Stormx> avanspronsen: But most people use IE. [02:29] <nickrud> Joose^, then sudo pppconfig, and point it at the right device: /dev/ttyS0 for com1:, /dev/ttyS1 for com2: [02:29] <spike> the days of netspace 4.x are gone [02:29] <Stormx> I use firefox [02:29] <Stormx> I use Opera on windows though [02:29] <avanspronsen> Stormx: yes, they will like it, people in the know won;t even bother though [02:29] <Stormx> Firefox is fucking slow on my windows PC. [02:29] <direwolf> on windows i use mozilla suite [02:29] <Snippy> I even heard that intel and amd MAY be implementing this stuff into the DIE.. that it checks files if they're digitally signed etc.. that would be the end for piracy I guess :( [02:29] <windex> ColonelKernel, according to redhat, btw, kernels 2.6 integrate device mapper [02:29] <windex> ColonelKernel, it's in the logical volume management config. [02:29] <Snippy> take this with 1 grain of salt.. its a rumor [02:29] <Stormx> Snippy: That might take maybe 24 hours for the hacking community to fix. [02:30] <spike> snippy, piracy will never die in easter eaurope :) [02:30] <nickrud> easter? [02:30] <spike> exactly [02:30] <Stormx> Snippy: How can they stop it? [02:30] <Snippy> I wouldnt be that sure.. if its on the DIE ?? [02:30] <f_newton> eastern europe... [02:30] <spike> reastern [02:30] <spike> sorry :) [02:30] <Joose^> nickrud.. ok i will do that.. thax ... i tried to configured but in a step "make 537" the terminal print me that autoconf.c doesn't exist in lib/modules [02:30] <NiJr> there are any way to reset the systray ? , the apps now aren't show there [02:30] <nickrud> heh, we do do easter diff, I guess :) [02:30] <spike> :) [02:30] <f_newton> why becuase its full of dishonest immoral bastards? [02:30] <Snippy> well ok there will maybe a method to fake the files and get em a digital signature.. but still [02:31] <Stormx> Anyway. I can really see ubuntu becoming the best linux suite out there. Not even Fedora Core can keep up. [02:31] <direwolf> theres always a way [02:31] <Stormx> And I want to help ubuntu as best I can ^_^ [02:31] <direwolf> hahaha [02:31] <nickrud> Joose^, make? [02:31] <Snippy> Stormx, ubuntu, isnt it already the best ;) [02:31] <Stormx> cauego: Eastern europe has limited sea for ships x.X [02:31] <cafuego> Copying data is hardly piracy. Piracy involves stealing, pillaging, raping and killing. [02:31] <spike> yes, they could come to your coast to get to knoe them better [02:31] <windex> cafuego, and ships. and ocean. and pirates! [02:31] <Stormx> And they can't stop it, can they. [02:32] <Snippy> cracking data, isnt that piracy too ? ^^ [02:32] <nickrud> heh, tell that to the Rus, they knew rivers as well :) [02:32] <Stormx> I mean, you just get round the damn MIME types, eh? [02:32] <cafuego> Don't be suckered into using the enemies terminology. [02:32] <NiJr> how can i restart notification area in taskbar? , now it dont work for me [02:32] <Stormx> NiJr: Just restart X [02:32] <Stormx> Ctrl + Alt + Delete. [02:32] <Joose^> nickrud yeah [02:32] <Stormx> *Ctrl + Alt + Backspace [02:32] <Joose^> i have a lag [02:32] <NiJr> i dont want to restart apps :_( [02:32] <Stormx> I'm still in windows mode ^_& [02:32] <NiJr> other way? [02:33] <f_newton> the pirates definition of piracy... how quaint [02:33] <Stormx> NiJr: It needs to reload gnome to do that. [02:33] <Stormx> NiJr: So just save what you're doing and restart X [02:33] <f_newton> thats like a government's definition of honesty [02:33] <Snippy> well.. this is a serious question.. who likes to download warez? cracks? etc.. who does it? [02:33] <Snippy> I do. [02:33] <Stormx> I do. [02:34] <cafuego> f_newton: the mpaa/riaa only call it piracy because of the negative cconnotations. By going along with that you give them the upper hand. [02:34] <Stormx> a good 50% of my music is pirated [02:34] <NiJr> there are thinks that i cant close [02:34] <Kyral> You have got to be kidding me [02:34] <Snippy> software SHOULD be free. [02:34] <Stormx> not to mention all my anime except for Akira [02:34] <NiJr> thanks Stormx [02:34] <nickrud> Joose^, make is something I've not seen as an error for pppconfig since day one, so, you have problems I haven't seen before [02:34] <ubuntu> omygod [02:34] <Kyral> there isn't a command line tool to prepend lines to files? [02:34] <cafuego> f_newton: I prefer "alternative distribution" ;-) [02:34] <Snippy> 100% of my music IS pirated. 100% of my apps (I mean windows apps:P) and games.. [02:34] <Stormx> xD [02:34] <Stormx> Hahaha [02:34] <f_newton> whatever... you still take for free what people work their lives on in order to feed their families [02:34] <Stormx> My CSE HTML Validator Pro is pirated [02:34] <cafuego> f_newton: No, I don't. [02:34] <Stormx> And I went to update it [02:35] <cafuego> f_newton: I use GPL software. [02:35] <Stormx> and it stored the damn name of the pirated version in the command line [02:35] <cafuego> f_newton: And the Adobe stuff I use I actually paid for. [02:35] <Stormx> A little HTML injection later and I deleted all records in that table xD [02:35] <chad> heyas all [02:35] <Joose^> nickrud.. but that is tried to install the drivers of the modem.. i haven't installed yet [02:35] <farruinn> f_newton: you're implying they're going hungry because he pirates software? [02:35] <Xenguy> Snippy: hrm, since finding more and more free software, it's become a relief that I don't have to be concerned about downloading and cracking proprietary software [02:35] <nickrud> I want the gpl to be observed: by definition, that means I should observe any other license, no matter how reprehensible [02:35] <windex> Snippy, your in a chat room full of programmers who respect copyright laws. talking about IP theft in the channel is likely to make people not like you, even if they do think what the riaa/mpaa is doing these days is stupid. :D *ahem* [02:35] <f_newton> farruinn, mostly its the small people who are hurt not the industry itself [02:35] <Stormx> windex: I'm a programmer and I don't care about copyright laws [02:36] <f_newton> the ones who can least afford it [02:36] <nickrud> Joose^, ? if the modem is an external, you need _no_ other driver. [02:36] <Snippy> maybe in those times its not really right to download software for free that you HAVE to pay for [02:36] <Snippy> BUT [02:36] <farruinn> Anyone around know how to get an eMac modem to work? I've tried, but I always get "connection script failed" [02:36] <cafuego> f_newton: The ptoblem is the INDUSTRY is hurting 1) the consumer and 2) the small people. [02:36] <Snippy> software should be free.. [02:36] <windex> Stormx, okay. when you write something GPL'd and release it, then microsoft integrates it into IE8, you'll be fine with that. :) [02:36] <cafuego> f_newton: But because the industry can scream louder, the rest isn't heard. [02:36] <f_newton> people should be rewarded for their hard work time and effort [02:36] <Snippy> and anyway.. if I like a game, I go in the shop and buy it, just to SHOW the company that I like it [02:36] <Snippy> I try the soft before I buy it [02:36] <jrattner> can i install debian packages in ubuntu? [02:36] <Stormx> windex: xD. They wouldn't, though, would they? [02:36] <f_newton> this is a bit off topic right? [02:37] <direwolf> bit [02:37] <cafuego> f_newton: yeah :-) [02:37] <f_newton> jrattner, yes mostly [02:37] <Joose^> nickrud yeah, i know but now i have a pci modem [02:37] <Stormx> windex: But if its under GPL, its fine [02:37] <windex> Stormx, without copyright laws they could. the GPL depends *highly* on copyright law as it currently exists to function. [02:37] <Joose^> i will buy the external [02:37] <wooty> hy [02:37] <nickrud> Joose^, you bas*#D :) [02:37] <wooty> can someone help me please [02:37] <jrattner> f_newton, using apt-get or whatever? [02:37] <f_newton> yes jrattner [02:37] <wooty> anyone please [02:37] <Stormx> wooty: problem? [02:37] <Joose^> nickrud hahaha :P [02:37] <Snippy> I as student wont go in the shop "whoa cool, need to buy etc.." no.. I dont have the money to throw it away like that.. software IS NOT cheap.. it was way cheaper years ago.. right? [02:37] <windex> Stormx, without a strong copyright system, the GPL license may as well be a public domain license. [02:38] <chad> where is a good place to start learning the shell commands in linux? man pages are good but, i wanna practise some [02:38] <Snippy> I download it first, try it, study it hard and THEN if I really like it, I may consider buying it [02:38] <jrattner> f_newton, ubuntu is the only distro that worked on my laptop, im brand new to it and the apt-get style of packaging any suggested readings? [02:38] <Stormx> chad: Use FTP. [02:38] <Stormx> wooty: What is your problem? [02:38] <chad> ftp? [02:38] <farruinn> chad: search google for shell tutorials or something, there are lots out there [02:38] <wooty> well [02:38] <Stormx> chad: Nevermind, then. [02:38] <nickrud> Snippy, software has never been cheap: I spent over $200US in 1982 to get a decent implementation of forth [02:38] <wooty> its really weird [02:38] <wooty> i used the guide to install ubuntu from hd [02:38] <windex> Snippy, actually software is a lot cheaper now. [02:38] <wooty> whitout using a cd [02:38] <Stormx> wooty: yes? [02:39] <wooty> because i dont have cd burner [02:39] <Snippy> oh you think? [02:39] <Stormx> wooty: WTF! [02:39] <direwolf> in 1982 it was a (comparatively) rare commodity [02:39] <wooty> everything was working fine [02:39] <Snippy> take this example: [02:39] <Stormx> wooty: oh right. OK......... [02:39] <wooty> but when i go to ubuntu install [02:39] <f_newton> uh someone tell jrattner where to get info on apt-get [02:39] <wooty> it says comresion file is invalid or something [02:39] <spike> jrattner: sudo dpkg -i package_file.deb [02:39] <wooty> and system gets locked up [02:39] <nickrud> !find forth [02:39] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'forth' (4 shown): gforth ;; kforth ;; pforth ;; yforth. [02:39] <direwolf> man apt-get [02:39] <f_newton> !apt-get [02:39] <ubotu> rumour has it, apt-get is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ [02:39] <nickrud> heh [02:39] <Snippy> few years ago, here in my country we had another currency.. software was like 1000 LUF .. (+ - 20$ for a high end game) [02:39] <Stormx> wooty: You're probably better off ordering a CD, or getting someone else to burn a CD for you. [02:40] <jonathan_> can anyone help me switch from gnome to xfce? [02:40] <Snippy> NOW with the EURO currency the price is doubled or triple [02:40] <farruinn> jrattner: there should be a link on that wiki page to the Debian APT Howto, I highly suggest reading it [02:40] <wooty> the problem is that i downloaded 600 mb [02:40] <Stormx> wooty: HDD installation from a windows system is NOT recommended. [02:40] <Snippy> then dont tell me it got cheaper. [02:40] <f_newton> did you see that url there jrattner ? [02:40] <wooty> and i really dont want em to go to waste [02:40] <windex> Snippy, congratulations, your software prices match US software prices. [02:40] <jonathan_> i installed xfce4 and all dependencies with synaptic [02:40] <wooty> be right back storm [02:40] <jrattner> farruinn, where is the link? [02:40] <Stormx> kay [02:40] <f_newton> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ [02:40] <f_newton> * _Moz_ [02:40] <Snippy> now its like 60$ for a high end game.. [02:41] <direwolf> jonathan next time you login choose xfce session [02:41] <Stormx> yes. [02:41] <windex> Snippy, that has _nothing_ to do with software costs, btw. it has a lot more to do with exchange rates. the average game is in the $45-50 USD range. [02:41] <f_newton> jrattner, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ [02:41] <direwolf> on the login splash click session, choose xfce session [02:41] <Snippy> and I just get 50$ / month where I must live with [02:41] <windex> Snippy, for consoles, that can quickly be $55-60. [02:41] <jonathan_> there will be an option on the login screen? [02:41] <farruinn> jrattner: start from that link f_newton gave you, there should be a link to the Debian howto on that page [02:41] <Snippy> no I mean PC games [02:41] <Snippy> not consoles [02:41] <Stormx> jonatha_: Yes, there is. [02:41] <direwolf> if you installed through synaptic there should be [02:41] <Snippy> I dont play on consoles:P [02:41] <Stormx> Snippy: DIE DIE DIE [02:41] <Stormx> Hey pow3r [02:41] <Snippy> Stormx: WHY WHY WHY [02:42] <jonathan_> thanks i'll try that!! should i remove gnome? [02:42] <direwolf> if you only downloaded the package thatd be different [02:42] <direwolf> NO [02:42] <windex> Snippy, well, the thing is, games are a special exception where art has to be thrown in. new games take a lot more creative talent to produce than, say, pong. [02:42] <Stormx> jonathan_: NO NO NO! [02:42] <farruinn> any mac users here have their modems working correctly? [02:42] <jonathan_> ok... [02:42] <Stormx> farruinn: you mean on ubuntu? [02:42] <Stormx> jonathan_ There is absolutely no need, they can co-exist! [02:42] <direwolf> in fact when after you login to your xfce session you should enable starting gnome support [02:42] <windex> Snippy, compare billing systems, for example. MASS 90, an old unix billing system a lot of small companies used, cost thousands of dollars. now you can go buy software like QuickBooks which has most of the same features for $400. [02:43] <jonathan_> how should i enable gnome support? [02:43] <Stormx> windex: Technology has got cheaper. You're point? [02:43] <nickrud> windex, not to mention the Xenix (for example) up front costs [02:43] <farruinn> Stormx: yeah, I'm trying on ubuntu now, but if you know how to on other distros it might be of help [02:43] <windex> Stormx, he's saying software has gotten more expensive. [02:43] <windex> nickrud, right. [02:43] <direwolf> on the xfce panel click the lil scissors/pencil icon [02:43] <dbernar1> your point, youre is short for you are. [02:43] <Stormx> windex: rofl. [02:43] <Snippy> Windex, see, 3 years ago, what did we had? high end games.. new games coming out every month.. and for THAT time it was really high-end and it involved much work too.. artwork etc.. for THAT time it was new etc.. [02:43] <direwolf> then choose sessions and startup then go to advanced tab [02:44] <windex> Snippy, you are not complaining about the price of software, still. you are complaining about politics and exchange rates. [02:44] <Stormx> farruinn: No idea. They should auto-detect it. What other distros? [02:44] <jonathan_> ok thanks much! [02:44] <Snippy> this may be, but the end effect is the same.. I have to give more money for a game than 3 years b4 [02:44] <Quest-Master> The enormous and overdone price-tags on lots of software not worth that much are sometimes just asking to be pirated. :P [02:44] <jrattner> Are there any good sources i should put in my sources.list? [02:44] <Stormx> Snippy: Most technology has got cheaper, some has got more expensive. [02:45] <Snippy> this just doesnt work if I just get 50$/month [02:45] <farruinn> Stormx: ok, well my eMac's modem isn't autodetected, I don't know what to do about that [02:45] <Stormx> jrattner: Hang on. [02:45] <windex> Stormx, he's not even talking about technology getting more expensive, he's talking about his countries favorable exchange rate going down the tubes. :) [02:45] <farruinn> I've tried using /dev/ttys0 /dev/ttys1 etc. but I always get "script failed" [02:45] <Stormx> jrattner: Still hanging in there? [02:46] <Snippy> windex, that may be right [02:46] <Snippy> but still.. I have to give more money [02:46] <jrattner> Stormx, ok : ) [02:46] <direwolf> you know if we had implemented a dual exchange rate with china we could cut the trade deficit (with china) in half? [02:46] <windex> k. :) [02:46] <Snippy> so my way to get the software if to download it! [02:46] <Snippy> cuz I just dont have the money [02:46] <Stormx> jrattner: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/330944 [02:46] <direwolf> -had [02:46] <f_newton> bush doesnt care about that cuz he'll be out office by the time the us economy collapses and he'll blame it on some democrat [02:46] <Stormx> jrattner: That should do the trick. [02:47] <Snippy> and when I like a software, say Photoshop CS2 I buy it.. I bought Creative Suite 2.. wasnt cheap.. but I bought it.. to support the company because I work with the soft [02:47] <Stormx> Snippy: HAHA OWNED [02:47] <Stormx> OK, about software getting more expensive. [02:47] <Stormx> Yes, it happens [02:47] <windex> Snippy, then use open source. In small countries, big business like the BSA, RIAA, and MPAA have more sway, and can throw you in jail much easier. [02:47] <Stormx> With the p2p revolution, more software is pirated [02:47] <Stormx> so less people buy [02:47] <Snippy> but why buy 2 games.. test em, they dont work , and jsut waste 120$? no thanks. [02:47] <Stormx> so prices have to go up. [02:48] <Xenguy> chad: this refcard looks interesting: http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ [02:48] <Snippy> Stormx, thats right.. but WHY is this revolution ? [02:48] <cafuego> Stormx: That would explain why profits for developers have increased then eh? [02:48] <jrattner> Stormx, sick i figured i had the abbreviated version : ) Now for my next question lets say i wanted to install a program such as gkrellm, Would it be best to use apt-get install gkrellm or use synpatic to search for it [02:48] <cafuego> Stormx: Nice excuse, but reality doesn't seem to match. [02:48] <Snippy> cafuego, they have? [02:48] <direwolf> personally i have no need for priated software...just about everything i need even in windows is available as gpl or freeware [02:48] <Stormx> cauego: In most cases, yes. [02:49] <wooty___> hy im back [02:49] <jrattner> Stormx, should i include the numbers in my sources.list? [02:49] <direwolf> windows though , i might pirate just for fun [02:49] <direwolf> hahaha [02:49] <cafuego> Snippy: yes, MPAA/RIAA members have seen profits increase, despite shipping far less units. [02:49] <Xenguy> jrattner: learn both tools, and then choose your favourite :-) [02:49] <Stormx> jrattner: No. [02:49] <Snippy> cafuego, how come? [02:49] <jrattner> Xenguy, is there any advantage to either tool? [02:49] <wooty___> storm [02:49] <Snippy> cafuego, how can that be possible? ^^ [02:49] <jrattner> Xenguy, I alaways used slackware before this [02:49] <Stormx> jrattner: For software downloading, use synaptic, wherever possible [02:49] <wooty___> i know its not recommended but i would really like if u could help me to install it [02:49] <cafuego> Snippy: THAT is the question, eh? [02:49] <Xenguy> jrattner: one is command-line, and one is a GUI [02:49] <Snippy> cafuego: yes. [02:49] <direwolf> think about it [02:50] <jrattner> synpatic is just a gui for apt-get? [02:50] <cafuego> Snippy: They reported it as "heavy losses due to coyright infringement" [02:50] <jrattner> just making sure [02:50] <wooty___> storm [02:50] <Xenguy> jrattner: basically, yes [02:50] <Stormx> jrattner: Think so. [02:50] <Stormx> wooty__, yes? [02:50] <jrattner> this was the only distro that would work on my laptop [02:50] <Stormx> ^_^ [02:50] <jrattner> so im forced to learn and love it [02:50] <Stormx> glad to hear it. [02:50] <Stormx> Ubuntu = awesome [02:50] <windex> cafuego, developer salaries have increased, but developer quality of life has lowered a lot, imho. [02:50] <wooty___> storm so can u help me install it from windows please? [02:50] <direwolf> bands/artists would be better off telling to people to dl their music, dl their albums whatever ...but if you do, buy a tshirt or some such thing ... [02:50] <Stormx> If you can't use apt-get, download the .deb package and use dpkg -i <package name> [02:50] <Xenguy> jrattner: it's a very nice distribution IMO [02:50] <jrattner> Stormx, I like it so far, its great with hardware [02:50] <cafuego> windex: it compiles, ship it [02:51] <Snippy> cafuego: that doesnt fit in my brain.. less software is sold and developers get more money? something must be damn wrong in this world [02:51] <direwolf> they get what $0.20/unit sold [02:51] <jrattner> Xenguy, out of curiosity how come I cant su [02:51] <Stormx> jrattner: Dude, you can't imagine how easy it is to get and install software! [02:51] <wooty___> someone here can help me install ubuntu whitout using cd from windows [02:51] <cafuego> Snippy: I'm talking about music/movies, not software. [02:51] <wooty___> i already got all the config but i got some problems [02:51] <direwolf> hahaha jk ...i think its like $ 1...depends on their contract but you get the idea [02:51] <Stormx> wooty___ never tried it! [02:51] <jrattner> wooty, anything compared to slackwares package management must be easier [02:51] <direwolf> ack [02:51] <Stormx> wooty___ it is going to be VERY differcult. [02:51] <Xenguy> jrattner: Ubu takes a different approach to the old 'root' concept :-) [02:52] <wooty___> i have all the config done [02:52] <Xenguy> !sudo [02:52] <ubotu> well, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [02:52] <wooty___> i just have to fix the problem [02:52] <wooty___> and it will install alone [02:52] <Snippy> cafuego, thats almost the same principe isnt it? they make a movie get LOTS of money, nobody watches it cuz they all dled it.. how come they get more money than b4? [02:52] <Stormx> No idea. [02:52] <wooty___> look my problem is that it says that the compression file is invalid [02:52] <wooty___> and it locks up [02:52] <wooty___> i tryed to make it bin [02:52] <wooty___> but it didnt change at all [02:53] <cafuego> Snippy: I think these days people don't weatch movuies becuase most movies they make these days are REALLY REALLY BAD. [02:53] <direwolf> we also have to remember that all the figures we get are from the mapp/riaa anyway [02:53] <direwolf> "studies" paid for by them etc [02:53] <cafuego> Snippy: That's certainly the reason i spend $2 at the videos tore and not $40 at the cinema. [02:53] <wooty___> i used the guide from http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-28948.html [02:53] <direwolf> i wouldnt trust a word of it [02:53] <Snippy> cafuego, well.. that depends.. person A like "The ring" person B dislikes it.. hmm [02:53] <Stormx> Guys, competion/ease of production and design pushes prices down! piracy/less customers pushes prices up! [02:53] <jrattner1> Does synpatic and ksynpatic run off the same sources file? [02:54] <Stormx> Yes. [02:54] <cafuego> Stormx: Adam Smith was on crack. Don't believe that shit. [02:54] <Stormx> rofl. [02:54] <direwolf> hryk [02:54] <wooty___> someone here knows how to install ubuntu from windows whitout burining it on a cd? [02:54] <wooty___> i really could use some help [02:54] <Stormx> dude [02:54] <cafuego> AN economic theory based on infinte growth with limited resources is inherently flawed. [02:54] <Stormx> just get a friend to burn a CD [02:54] <Stormx> or get a CD burner. [02:54] <Stormx> their dead cheap. [02:54] <nickrud> wooty, rumor has it that is not possible [02:54] <wooty___> not in south america [02:54] <wooty___> nick [02:54] <wooty___> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-28948.html [02:54] <direwolf> rumor haha [02:54] <wooty___> read that [02:55] <wooty___> it is posible [02:55] <Snippy> ah well.. back to NTFS -> ext3 lol [02:55] <Stormx> xD [02:55] <cafuego> wooty___: Can you netboot that machine and do you have a spare linux box? [02:55] <direwolf> snippy borrow a hdfrom a fellow student [02:55] <nickrud> not something I'd recommend as possible :) [02:55] <direwolf> make things easy on yourself [02:55] <Stormx> I've gotta go. [02:55] <Stormx> Its almost 2am [02:55] <Snippy> I dont know anyone with a 120GB HDD oO [02:55] <wooty___> i dont know what u mean by netboot and i dont have a spare linux box [02:55] <wooty___> im just going to try it on my client comp [02:55] <Stormx> I have a 40 and an 80 [02:55] <wooty___> and see how it goes [02:55] <cafuego> wooty___: Then you're SOL. [02:55] <Snippy> aye hardware isnt cheap here:P [02:55] <Stormx> So thats 120 overall. [02:56] <wooty___> sol? [02:56] <wooty___> im a total newb [02:56] <Snippy> stormx, come to my house :P lets backup my stuff:P [02:56] <wooty___> in this stuff [02:56] <Stormx> Snippy: xD [02:56] <Stormx> OK, i'm off [02:56] <Stormx> peace [02:56] <wooty___> bb [02:56] <Stormx> and lurvvvvvvvve ubuntu [02:56] <Snippy> peace ;) [02:56] <Stormx> cause it lurvvvvvvvvvvves you [02:56] <Snippy> ^^ [02:56] <cafuego> Stormx: Back up 120, that leaves 40. Resize ntfs to 60 afetr doing the backup; create 100 EXT3. Copy data from ntfs to ext3, delete ntfs, expand ext3, copy back data from 120GB externals. [02:56] <jrattner1> Stormx, when pasting what you sent me on pastebin into my sources.list synaptic gets angry saying it cant stat source package list and the addresses [02:56] <wooty___> someone please help me [02:57] <direwolf> hahaha [02:57] <cafuego> Stormx: Takes some time, but will work. [02:57] <wooty___> stuff here in south america isnt as cheap as in there [02:57] <wooty___> so please dont tell me to buy a burner [02:57] <Stormx> cafuego: No need [02:57] <cafuego> Stormx: be SURE to defrag NTFS before resizing. [02:57] <cafuego> wooty___: Get someone to mail you a cd. [02:58] <wooty___> mail me? [02:58] <Snippy> cafuego, I think, youre talking to the wrong person :o [02:58] <Snippy> but im not sure.. [02:58] <wooty___> to south america? [02:58] <cafuego> Snippy: I might be on crack too. [02:58] <wooty___> lol [02:58] <Snippy> I am the one who needs to backup 120gb ntfs [02:58] <Stormx> I have 20 gigs on drive one VFAT for win98, 20 gigs on drive one NTFS for win2k, 60gb VFAT on drive B for whatever (music, anime), 20gb drive two ext3 for ubuntu. [02:58] <cafuego> wooty___: Yeah, why not? [02:58] <wooty___> lol [02:58] <cafuego> wooty___: You _DO_ have a mail service there, right? [02:58] <Snippy> oooh Anime? [02:58] <Snippy> :D [02:58] <wooty___> ya [02:58] <Stormx> <3 anime. [02:58] <wooty___> but [02:58] <Snippy> Anime is cool [02:58] <wooty___> nobody will be that nice [02:58] <wooty___> and [02:59] <Stormx> My friend sent me FMA through the post... [02:59] <wooty___> i really dont want to wait 2 weeks [02:59] <wooty___> to use ubuntu [02:59] <jrattner1> Stormx, when pasting what you sent me on pastebin into my sources.list synaptic gets angry saying it cant stat source package list and the url of several of the links included? whats your take? [02:59] <wooty___> if not more [02:59] <Stormx> It got there and I realised I didn't have a DVD drive. [02:59] <wibble> wooty___: http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/ [02:59] <wooty___> i got the install [02:59] <wooty___> i just really want to just [02:59] <wooty___> install it from windows [02:59] <Stormx> jrattner1: You're bound to get errors. Did you paste everything correctly, without the numbers? Errors is normal, Seveas tells me. [02:59] <wooty___> anyone know how? [02:59] <Stormx> wooty: Yeh I know [03:00] <Snippy> cafuego, so wait, the method is.. if I have 1 GB free on my ntfs partition.. I resize it.. make a ext3 one with the 1 gb.. take 1gb data from the ntfs one put it to the ext3 one.. resize ntfs.. make ext3 bigger again.. etc... ??? [03:00] <Stormx> wooty___ what's your address? [03:00] <Stormx> I'll mail you a frickin' CD [03:00] <jrattner1> Stormx, yes i pasted it without the numbers and its there correctly [03:00] <wooty___> no [03:00] <wooty___> dont [03:00] <wooty___> thats not the problem [03:00] <wooty___> i just want to figure out how to install it from windows [03:00] <Stormx> jrattner1: When you open it, close the box with errors, do you get packages? [03:00] <Stormx> wooty___: YOU CANT! [03:00] <wooty___> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-28948.html [03:00] <wooty___> what is that all about then [03:00] <Stormx> wooty___: It needs to frickin' change the MBR! [03:01] <Stormx> Thats bullshit [03:01] <Stormx> Get a cd [03:01] <wooty___> changing the mbr is bad? [03:01] <Stormx> ^_^ and have a nice day. [03:01] <wooty___> lol [03:01] <jrattner1> Stormx, the next dialogue is a popup saying my package informationg is out of date [03:01] <Stormx> no, but it needs to install GRUB [03:01] <wooty___> i got grub [03:01] <Stormx> jrattner1: So update it. [03:01] <Stormx> wooty___ is it installed to MBR? [03:01] <jrattner1> Stormx, its going it [03:01] <Stormx> (hd0) [03:01] <wooty___> i have no idea [03:01] <wooty___> i just folowed the guide [03:02] <wooty___> and did what it said [03:02] <h08817> i need some help here [03:02] <h08817> ndiswrapper problem [03:02] <Stormx> wooty___: With no idea what significance each step had? [03:02] <Stormx> xD [03:02] <Stormx> Look, I don't know man [03:02] <Stormx> find someone who knows [03:02] <wooty___> lol.. [03:02] <Stormx> get someone to burn you a disk [03:02] <jrattner1> Stormx, I like this it found the package i was looking for, will it automaitcally check dependencies? [03:02] <Stormx> or get a damn disk bruner. [03:02] <wooty___> well [03:02] <wooty___> storm [03:02] <Snippy> ohmy.. got lot of work to do with my ntfs crap partition.. [03:02] <wooty___> can u help me turn the changes back then please [03:02] <Stormx> jrattner1: In synaptic, yes. [03:02] <h08817> it says cp unknown file or directory [03:02] <wooty___> i have no idea how to do it on my own [03:03] <Stormx> Snippy: Mounting problems? BOY DO I HAVE A SCRIPT FOR YOU SIR! [03:03] <wooty___> im afraid i might delete something i shouldnt [03:03] <Snippy> uh? [03:03] <Snippy> well [03:03] <Stormx> Snippy: I have a kickass script that mounts them automaticly, updates fstab, and adds them to your "Computer" bit [03:03] <JaZy84> can somone help me get mp3's working [03:03] <Snippy> Stormx: what you mean? I just want to change my NTFS to ext3 oO [03:03] <wooty___> stormx:can u help me please or no [03:03] <Stormx> JaZy84: Yes [03:03] <JaZy84> when i try to play them with xmms it just freezes [03:04] <Stormx> wooty___: No, sorry [03:04] <h08817> can someone get me online with my ubuntu system? [03:04] <Stormx> JaZy84: Go into preferences, change the output plugin to eSound [03:04] <wooty___> damn [03:04] <Stormx> JaZy84: Its as simple as that [03:04] <Snippy> oh and btw.. I got another problem.. maybe someone can help oO [03:04] <wooty___> so i guess no one in all the channel knows how to install from windows [03:04] <Stormx> Snippy: xD, has it got a windows OS on i? [03:04] <wooty___> great =/ [03:04] <JaZy84> okay hold on lemme try that [03:04] <wooty___> 2:30 hours wasted [03:04] <Snippy> the fonts of my system.. are not really readable very well.. [03:04] <lJlolel> you can't have desktop icons in xfce right? [03:04] <wooty___> and probably screwed up my computer [03:04] <Stormx> wooty___, reply to the thread. [03:05] <Snippy> Stormx, no, just looots of files [03:05] <direwolf> correct ljlolel [03:05] <lJlolel> direwolf, well, i just did [03:05] <wooty___> storm [03:05] <Stormx> Snippy: use VFAT, not ext3. [03:05] <direwolf> did you start nautilus? [03:05] <Stormx> VFAT = awesome. [03:05] <wooty___> no ofence but writing there wont help me out [03:05] <Snippy> whats VFAT now.. oO [03:05] <wooty___> because i have no idea how to tell them what my problem is [03:05] <Stormx> wooty___: Why not? [03:05] <wooty___> the solution was coming here but it didnt work out [03:05] <cafuego> wooty___: You were told you can't install from windows. Which part of that was too hard to grasp? [03:05] <Stormx> wooty___: Look, I don't understand you're problem either, ok? [03:05] <Snippy> is it bad that I choose ext3 to install ubuntu on ? [03:06] <wooty___> cafuego [03:06] <nickrud> wooty___, maybe you can restate? [03:06] <wooty___> yes u can [03:06] <Stormx> wooty___: You're problem is unknown to me, try again tomorow. [03:06] <wooty___> restate? [03:06] <Stormx> nickrud: You are so useless xD [03:06] <wooty___> what u mean [03:06] <h08817> netgear wg111 usb to get online (how do i do it in linux) [03:06] <Stormx> nah just kidding. [03:06] <avanspronsen> Snippy: ext3 is fine [03:06] <wooty___> ooo [03:06] <wooty___> thats a good idea [03:06] <nickrud> Stormx, everyone's useless sometimes xP [03:07] <Snippy> mhm [03:07] <Snippy> and what is VFAT? [03:07] <direwolf> starting nautilus is fine but will slow ya down some [03:07] <direwolf> fat32 [03:07] <PlanarPlatypus> does anyone here know where PGP support is hidden in the hoary install of evolution? [03:07] <direwolf> ? [03:07] <cafuego> PlanarPlatypus: gnupg [03:07] <Stormx> Snippy: VFAT is File Allocation Tables: Its basicly readable in Windows and Linux. [03:07] <Snippy> readable.. [03:07] <h08817> when i am doing this: ndiswrapper -i netwg111.inf do i need to do like E:\drivers\netwg111.inf for the install file? [03:07] <avanspronsen> Stormx: no journaling though? [03:07] <Snippy> and writable? [03:07] <h08817> or what do i do? [03:07] <wooty___> o man [03:07] <Stormx> journaling? It has write support, too. [03:07] <wooty___> coming here was useless what a pitty [03:08] <cafuego> h08817: You will need the .inf, the .sys and possibly firmware. [03:08] <wooty___> who would had tought nobody knew how =P [03:08] <h08817> cafuego: how do i do that [03:08] <cafuego> wooty___: You can get paid support if we're not to your likinh. [03:08] <Stormx> wooty___ try again tomorow. [03:08] <h08817> i mean step by step [03:08] <Snippy> but I cant change my NTFS partition to another filesystem without destroying the data.. THATS my problem [03:08] <avanspronsen> Stormx: journaling? transactions? [03:08] <h08817> so i am sitting at my terminal and what do i type? [03:08] <Stormx> Snippy: Heres what you do. [03:08] <Stormx> Snippy: How much of it is used? [03:09] <PlanarPlatypus> cafuego, ah found it, it is somewhat obtuse though [03:09] <Snippy> Stormx, well it's almost full, but I dont really know cuz I dont see the partition under linux [03:09] <Stormx> Snippy: You can get read support in linux of NTFS. [03:09] <cafuego> PlanarPlatypus: 'seahorse' does gui key management. [03:09] <Stormx> Snippy: Why do you have an NTFS partition with no windows on it? [03:10] <Snippy> I had windows on THIS partition [03:10] <Stormx> I really have to go. [03:10] <Snippy> it was just meant to be a partition for my files [03:10] <JaZy84> Stormx the esound make it not freeze it looks like it's playing but nothing coming out of speakers. [03:10] <Stormx> I'll be back in 12 hours. [03:10] <Snippy> no windows [03:10] <avanspronsen> Snippy: you have no where to move the data? [03:10] <Stormx> JaZy84: You have sound on? [03:10] <Snippy> no [03:10] <JaZy84> yeah. [03:10] <PlanarPlatypus> cafuego, fair enough, I was actually trying to find the "is this mail signed" information but it seems to doesn't tell you if they are signed with your own key [03:10] <JaZy84> like the sounds within gnome work fine. [03:10] <Stormx> Applications > Sound and Video > Volume control [03:10] <h08817> i am about 5min from walking away from freakin linux [03:10] <Stormx> Also check volume control on XMMS [03:10] <avanspronsen> I don;t believe there is any tool that will help you do an in place change to a filesystem [03:11] <direwolf> why h08817 [03:11] <Stormx> avanspronsen: No, its not possible. [03:11] <Snippy> well,a friend told me that he did it once [03:11] <Snippy> but [03:11] <Stormx> HE LIED ^_& [03:11] <h08817> b/c i don't know anything about it and i can't get internet on my linux machine [03:11] <avanspronsen> Snippy: I have never heard of it [03:11] <dbernar1> h08817: youll be back:) [03:11] <Snippy> yea.. it killed his hdd afterwards [03:11] <h08817> i hope [03:11] <dbernar1> h08817: what ISP? [03:11] <h08817> comcast [03:11] <h08817> its my netgear wg111 usb [03:11] <dbernar1> WEll, I can hel pyou with that. [03:11] <avanspronsen> Snippy: how much data? [03:12] <Snippy> he had it running for few hours somehow [03:12] <dbernar1> Ah, wireless...:-/ [03:12] <direwolf> ok first take deep breath [03:12] <h08817> ok [03:12] <Stormx> Peace people. [03:12] <dbernar1> You are shootinhg too high, can you get wires? [03:12] <Snippy> I dont know exactly.. its a 120 GB partition [03:12] <Stormx> Bai [03:12] <JaZy84> it was using oss instead of ALSA [03:12] <avanspronsen> Snippy: I would be skeptical [03:12] <h08817> no [03:12] <dbernar1> cya Stormx [03:12] <Snippy> I am [03:12] <direwolf> no im going to use google and see what we come up with [03:12] <Stormx> Dude. You have way to much porn ^_^ [03:12] <avanspronsen> Stormx: :-) [03:12] <Snippy> lol [03:12] <Stormx> Cya 12 hours. [03:12] <Snippy> cya :) [03:12] <Stormx> (really this time) [03:12] <Snippy> hehe [03:12] <dbernar1> h08817: look up ndiswrapper on google, and find the list of supported cards, then find yours on there, [03:13] <dbernar1> Or, search for your card model+linux on google, se if it is supported. [03:13] <h08817> dbernar1: once i do that then what [03:13] <Snippy> can someone tell me how I get linux to display my ntfs partition? to check the free space on it [03:13] <h08817> i tried the command ndiswrapper -i netwg111.inf [03:13] <h08817> and i got an error [03:13] <h08817> unable to find file or directory [03:14] <h08817> so is it the wrong card i found the information in a post on the forums [03:14] <Snippy> avanspronsen ? [03:14] <JDahl> Snippy, cant you mount it and use df ? [03:14] <arbir> hello [03:14] <dbernar1> find the model on the list, to know it is supported. [03:14] <direwolf> h08817 were you in the directory where you inf and driver file(s) are located? [03:14] <h08817> no they are on a cd [03:14] <Snippy> how can I mount it? and what is df ? [03:14] <arbir> i need to do a /etc/init.d/networking restart each time i boot my machine.. why is that so ? [03:14] <dbernar1> then get the files from the CD or, somewhere, then do the ndiswrapped, you need the file. [03:14] <dbernar1> copy them over. [03:15] <h08817> where should i put the files? [03:15] <arbir> if i do an ifconfig i see my eth0 device with the correct IP address and yet i cannot ping my network unless i restart the service [03:15] <Snippy> JDahl, how can I mount it? and what is df ? [03:15] <direwolf> it would be easiest to copy them to your home folder [03:15] <slipaway172> ok who ever told me that running ubuntu under xfce4 on a via mobo and c3 cpu deserves to be shot and killed. [03:15] <h08817> ok but i have to be root to install it [03:15] <avanspronsen> Snippy: you need to make a dir on /mnt [03:16] <JDahl> Snippy, mount it like any other partition. Google on "fstab tutorial" or something. 'df' is a program - diskfree [03:16] <direwolf> or make a directory in your home folder "windows_driver" or the like [03:16] <direwolf> then copy them there [03:16] <arbir> Snippy: df tells you about ur diff partitions on ur system [03:16] <direwolf> yes thats ok [03:16] <avanspronsen> Snippy: then something like: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -o,ro [03:16] <Snippy> ahh [03:16] <dbernar1> you can copy files anywhere, but need to know where they are. [03:16] <direwolf> you sudo ndiswrapper -i driver.inf [03:16] <arbir> Snippy: df -H [03:16] <Snippy> oh my [03:16] <dbernar1> There is this concept of specifying the absolute or relative path in unix. [03:16] <Snippy> slowly please :) [03:16] <h08817> but i must be in that directory to install it right? [03:16] <Snippy> what should I do now? [03:17] <h08817> what is sudo? [03:17] <dbernar1> /var/www/index.html is an absolute path, cause it starts at / [03:17] <avanspronsen> Snippy: sudo mkdir /mnt/windows [03:17] <h08817> why do i have to use it [03:17] <direwolf> sudo lets you run as root [03:17] <slipaway172> su is better [03:17] <arbir> h08817: sudo gives u super user privs. each time u use it [03:17] <direwolf> !sudo [03:17] <ubotu> sudo is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [03:17] <h08817> i have seen that but what argument should i use [03:17] <dbernar1> www/index.html from /var would do the same, but relative to the place you are at at that time. [03:17] <Snippy> avanspronsen, done [03:17] <h08817> -l -k ? [03:18] <avanspronsen> mount [03:18] <avanspronsen> sorry [03:18] <direwolf> h08817 easiest to take this step at a time [03:18] <traveller> what is keeping my dvd in the tray when i press the eject button? i have to right click on the icon to eject it, is there a way i can make it so i can just press the button on the drive? [03:18] <Snippy> uh [03:18] <h08817> yeah but i have to leave this chat to go try this [03:18] <arbir> h08817: if you need to run a super user command eg. apt-get update [03:18] <Snippy> sudo mkdir /mount/windows [03:18] <Snippy> ? [03:18] <h08817> i am on a dual boot system with xp and ubuntu [03:18] <arbir> h08817: you cannot run it with sudo like this ' sudo apt-get update' [03:18] <slipaway172> thats sad [03:18] <h08817> aye this is so hard [03:19] <h08817> no wonder everyone uses windows [03:19] <arbir> but if you try to run as normal use it wont let you run the command @ h08817 [03:19] <arbir> h08817: its not hard, its diff. changes take a while to sink [03:19] <Xenguy> traveller: maybe it needs to be 'unmounted' first? [03:19] <h08817> well i'll go try this sudo root or whatever copy files to hd thing and see if it works [03:19] <Xenguy> traveller: just a guess [03:19] <arbir> can anybody pls help me with my netowoking ? :-( [03:19] <dbernar1> gtg. :( [03:19] <traveller> Xenguy: isn't there a way it can be done automatically? i find it quite annoying i have to unmount it everytime before i even try to push the button [03:20] <matsur> Hi all, how do you get Cool 'n' Quiet working w/ amd64? [03:20] <h08817> is there anything i have to do after it is installed to get online? [03:20] <Xenguy> arbir: I saw your Q - that sounds quite odd [03:20] <arbir> Xenguy: and i have not been able to figure out whats the real problem [03:21] <Xenguy> traveller: I've never bothered to investigate, but I've heard of systems like 'automount' etc. [03:21] <direwolf> h08817: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto [03:21] <h08817> what is that for? [03:21] <hubsi> is there any tv program besides xawtv and tvtime? [03:21] <direwolf> how to set up ndiswrapper [03:21] <h08817> and what files do i need exactly from the cd [03:21] <h08817> just the inf? [03:21] <arbir> Xenguy: its such a pain to goto the console each time i reboot my machine [03:21] <traveller> Xenguy: from what i understand, gnome-volume-manager handles the mounting and unmounting...is there a remote possibility that it's related to some options there? [03:21] <Xenguy> arbir: have you messed around with your boot-up scripts lately? [03:22] <direwolf> .inf, .sys, .cat (if there) [03:22] <arbir> Xenguy: NO.. it was always a problem like that [03:22] <direwolf> please refer to [03:22] <direwolf> h08817: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto [03:22] <Xenguy> traveller: could be - I really have no idea on this question [03:22] <h08817> i just went there [03:22] <traveller> Xenguy: ok, thanks [03:22] <h08817> whatever bb in 15min [03:22] <direwolf> it walks you through setting up ndiswrapper [03:22] <lui> hello people! [03:22] <direwolf> print it out [03:22] <h08817> i'll print it and try it [03:23] <h08817> thanks for the help [03:23] <direwolf> hth [03:23] <lui> anyone has seen Seveas? [03:23] <arbir> hi fiona [03:24] <Xenguy> arbir: have you been able to google the problem at all ? [03:24] <arbir> Xenguy: what do i google for ? i dont know how to start my query .. its so weird [03:24] <Xenguy> yeah [03:26] <arbir> hopes Xenguy can find an answer... [03:26] <fiona> hi arbir [03:27] <arbir> hi fiona talk here pls. dontsend me private messages [03:29] <arbir> fiona.. please dont PM me [03:29] <direwolf> getting memory for this old laptop tomorrow, huzzah! [03:29] <direwolf> will still be a poc though [03:30] <direwolf> the hardware portion anyway , ubuntu portion is great :) [03:31] <Spudchat> hi everyone...my firefox stopped working so i uninstalled it [03:31] <Spudchat> i was wonderin what package i should install now [03:31] <direwolf> i might try to get the winmodem working just for kicks [03:32] <Chaotic_Reality> Spudchat, what happened with firefox? things don't just don't stop working for no reason. :) [03:32] <Syco54645> i am looking for a good pdf viewer [03:32] <direwolf> mozilla-firefox [03:32] <Syco54645> xpdf isnt opening the files that i have right [03:32] <Syco54645> ghostview is working, but i want to go through it fast and it isnt letting me... any ideas? [03:33] <avanspronsen> Syco54645: Evince? [03:33] <Spudchat> it just stopped loading [03:33] <Spudchat> it says loading but nothing ever happens [03:33] <direwolf> its notoriously slow startup [03:33] <direwolf> once it loads it should be ok though [03:33] <arbir> Xenguy: i found this problem but no answer even in that Ubuntu forum [03:33] <Spudchat> i know but it should load eventually [03:33] <Spudchat> it wont even load [03:33] <Syco54645> avanspronsen, thanks ill take a look at it [03:34] <servvs> umm [03:34] <servvs> did your firefox ever work? [03:34] <Chaotic_Reality> Spudchat, do you have any processes running? try ps -aux |grep mozilla-firefox and see if there's a running process...if so kill it, then try [03:34] <Spudchat> when ubuntu was first installed [03:34] <servvs> umm [03:34] <servvs> h/o a sec [03:34] <avanspronsen> Syco54645: depends on mono [03:34] <servvs> i think you need to tweak it [03:34] <Spudchat> its not runnin [03:35] <servvs> have you ever tweaked it? [03:35] <TheDemon> if you uninstalled it it's not going to load, lol [03:35] <Spudchat> nope [03:35] <Syco54645> avanspronsen, what? [03:35] <Spudchat> lol i uninstalled it then reinstalled it [03:35] <TheDemon> oh [03:35] <Snippy> does anyone know a GOOD partitioning tool (free) with a user-friendly menu ? [03:35] <Xenguy> arbir: yeah, I'm not having much luck searching [03:36] <arbir> Xenguy: i found something [03:36] <arbir> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-26432.html [03:36] <TheDemon> Spudchat: look in synaptic and see if "mozilla-firefox gnome support" is installed [03:36] <TheDemon> i think it's called that, i'm not posotive [03:36] <direwolf> qtparted [03:36] <TheDemon> you need that and the firefox base [03:36] <Syco54645> avanspronsen, oh i used apt-get if that is what you meant, i dont worry about dependencies when i can use that [03:37] <Syco54645> it does take a bit of time to render the thumb nails though [03:37] <Syco54645> but that is ok [03:37] <TheDemon> yes, qtparted is very nice [03:37] <Spudchat> it wasnt so i installed it [03:37] <Snippy> thanks direwolf [03:37] <avanspronsen> Syco54645: ya, just that some people are put off a bit by mono, or installing mono just for 1 app. doesn't bother me though [03:37] <fr500> Snippy, gparted woks for me [03:37] <jrattner1> How do I set up hotkeys in KDE? [03:37] <Snippy> thanks [03:37] <direwolf> np [03:37] <Spudchat> it still wont load though [03:38] <Snippy> just started it.. it shows no devices [03:38] <LinuxJones> jrattner1, you might be better off asking that in #kubuntu [03:38] <servvs> Spudchat, take a look at this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42949&highlight=firefox+tweak [03:39] <Snippy> nevermind works now [03:39] <Syco54645> avanspronsen, i am put off by the lack of programs in the repository, but i am learning to deal with it... like having my own repository set up... know anything about it, like if it will be able to handle dependencies? because from what i see, the deb files are no more than a redhat rpm style of thing when used with dpkg -i foo.deb [03:39] <Xenguy> arbir: broadcast, eh? Looks like a good page for ideas to explore... bit like searching for a needle in a haystack [03:39] <Spudchat> i cant [03:39] <Xenguy> arbir: good luck [03:39] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, you have universe and multiverse repos enabled ? [03:39] <Spudchat> no web browser unless i can see it from the terminal [03:39] <Syco54645> will it get the dependencies if i build my own repository for a few apps that i use that arnt in it already? [03:40] <avanspronsen> Syco54645: lack of programs? [03:40] <jrattner1> Is there any way to make grub, graphical in begining? [03:40] <Syco54645> yes a lack [03:40] <Syco54645> valknut isnt there [03:40] <servvs> wtf [03:40] <Syco54645> nor are the frontends to dvdauthor [03:40] <servvs> oops, wrong chan [03:40] <h08817> ok it didn't work [03:40] <juanej> why synaptic uploader try to download firefox everytime? [03:40] <Syco54645> and yes valknut is dcgui-qt, but that is old... very old, like from 2003... the newest is .3.7 and i dont see it there [03:41] <arbir> Thanks Xenguy [03:41] <arbir> Xenguy: let me go down to my basement where my server is [03:41] <Xenguy> arbir: I'd be interested in knowing the solution when you get there :-) [03:42] <Syco54645> i mean if someone can prove me wrong (and i hope they can) then please do it [03:42] <arbir> Xenguy: sure [03:42] <Syco54645> this is the only thing that is turning me off of ubuntu [03:42] <arbir> Xenguy: if you notice... both the broadcasts are fine in that forum [03:42] <arbir> Xenguy: it means that the problem was diff [03:42] <arbir> is gone down [03:42] <h08817> direwolf: it wouldn't let me load the module in the kernel [03:42] <Xenguy> arbir: ahh, I didn't read closely enough then [03:42] <jrattner1> im not sure if ubuntu is reconising my 2 gigs of ram, is there any way to find out [03:43] <direwolf> what was the error message? [03:43] <patricia> hy foks! I'm a brand new user in linux/ubuntu and I need some help. [03:43] <magneto> high patricia [03:43] <h08817> fatal: couldn't copy to /lib/some number /net yada yada yada [03:43] <patricia> hi magneto [03:43] <direwolf> h08177: i asuume you did "sudo modprobe -i ndiswrapper" [03:43] <magneto> !hi ubotu [03:43] <ubotu> magneto: I give up, what is it? [03:43] <h08817> no [03:43] <Syco54645> LinuxJones, can i pm you what i have in my /etc/apt/sources.list file? [03:44] <Snippy> thank you guys for the help [03:44] <Snippy> I'm off now :) [03:44] <direwolf> h08177: you just did "modprobe -i ndiswrapper" ? [03:44] <neil__> hi all [03:44] <h08817> direwolf: i became root and did modprobe ndiswrapper [03:44] <Snippy> good bye [03:44] <h08817> i didn't know i needed -i [03:44] <magneto> patricia: what problems are u having? [03:44] <h08817> it isn't on that paper [03:44] <patricia> Here is the first question: the configuration menu of some aplications are too small! Why? Other things are just fine, like openoffice, etc.. [03:44] <h08817> or the sudo part [03:44] <direwolf> try "sudo modprobe -i ndiswrapper" [03:45] <direwolf> -i tells it install or insert (easy way to remember) [03:45] <Chaotic_Reality> does apt-get update, update all the latest software for apt-get to grab as far as software patches and such? [03:45] <h08817> do i need to do sudo when installing it also? [03:45] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, I will post it to pastebin 1 sec [03:45] <h08817> sudo ndiswrapper -i netwg111.inf? [03:45] <direwolf> if you want to remove its -r [03:45] <patricia> example: xine, xmms, rhuthmbox, ... [03:45] <jrattner1> Stormx, im not sure if ubuntu is reconising my 2 gigs of ram, is there any way to find out? [03:45] <direwolf> h08177 yeah [03:45] <h08817> ok bb in 10min please don't leave [03:46] <Sakara> hello [03:46] <Syco54645> LinuxJones, ok that is just fine... thanks. i should also mention that my main drive died and i have not gotten a new one yet, so i am running my system on the live cd. [03:46] <Xenguy> Chaotic_Reality: it should yes (assuming configuration of /etc/apt/sources.list is fine) [03:46] <Sakara> can somebody help me?:D [03:46] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, >> http://pastebin.ca/19467 [03:46] <Chaotic_Reality> Xenguy, is it good to update before installing something, or just once a day is good? [03:46] <Syco54645> jrattner1, type free -m [03:46] <DonL> patricia, is your screen resolution to your liking? [03:46] <Goodspeed> someone wanna help me with my networking woes? [03:46] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, ohh [03:46] <Sakara> can somebody help me? [03:47] <Sakara> how can i listen mp3s with my linux [03:47] <Chaotic_Reality> Sakara, install xmms [03:47] <Sakara> ubuntu [03:47] <Sakara> how? [03:47] <Xenguy> Chaotic_Reality: before you install is my preference [03:47] <Sakara> im new [03:47] <Chaotic_Reality> sudo apt-get install xmms [03:47] <jrattner1> Syco54645, it says total 885 [03:47] <avanspronsen> Sakara: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation [03:47] <Goodspeed> what's the linux game where you're an eskimo [03:47] <Goodspeed> that's like animal crossing? [03:47] <Syco54645> LinuxJones, figured i would leave gentoo once and for all and what a better reason than to have my hd crash (the install was about 4 years old) [03:47] <Syco54645> jrattner1, then i would say that it isnt [03:47] <Chaotic_Reality> Xenguy, thanks. That's what I do in FreeBSD with ports, otherwise something will break if it was recently updated. [03:48] <Xenguy> Chaotic_Reality: assuming you're not on dial-up ;-) [03:48] <Chaotic_Reality> Xenguy, what's that? :) [03:48] <jrattner1> Syco54645, how do i enable it? [03:48] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, heh, welcome aboard you will love Ubuntu :) [03:49] <Syco54645> jrattner1, i am not sure i only have 768 gigs of ram [03:49] <patricia> DonL, what? The screen resolution is fine, very good quality. [03:49] <JaZy84> anyone know of a emulator for ppc linux [03:49] <Syco54645> LinuxJones, thanks... and i hope that i do. i would be happier if i could get the newest versions of programs tho and not have to compile by hand... libc6 isnt fun to have to do by hand [03:49] <Sakara> hmm [03:50] <Sakara> i dont understand :D [03:50] <avanspronsen> Sakara: what don't you understand? [03:50] <Syco54645> LinuxJones, is valknut in your repos? [03:50] <Sakara> how i can play mp3s [03:50] <Sakara> libmad0 (multiverse)- MP3 support for non-gstreamer players [03:50] <Xenguy> !mp3 [03:50] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support [03:51] <Goodspeed> what's the linux game that's like animal crossing? [03:51] <Goodspeed> i jsut saw it on g4 [03:51] <jrattner1> how do i load high memory support so it reconizes my 2 gigs? [03:51] <DonL> Goodspeed, never heard of animal crossing. sorry [03:51] <Goodspeed> you play an eskimo [03:51] <Syco54645> Goodspeed, check out gentoo-portage.com it is a nice way to browse games... maybe you could find it in there [03:51] <Goodspeed> you upgarde your house [03:51] <avanspronsen> Anyone know if there is a way to get a list of what the ubotu bot knows about? [03:52] <Sakara> fuck... [03:52] <Sakara> im stupid [03:52] <direwolf> welcome to my world [03:53] <Quest-Master> http://cronopios.net/blog/wp-content/vivsemacs.png [03:53] <Sakara> i just cant find anything that could help me :D [03:53] <Chaotic_Reality> Sakara, I already told you how to install xmms, which is just like winamp. [03:53] <Sakara> really?:D [03:53] <Sakara> when [03:53] <Chaotic_Reality> sudo apt-get install xmms [03:53] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, valknut is not in the repos, good news is that hopefully breezy will be getting relatively stable in the next month or so :) [03:54] <arbir> Xenguy: are you there ? [03:54] <Sakara> it does nothing? [03:54] <Xenguy> arbir: yep [03:54] <Syco54645> LinuxJones, think they will add it in then?? i mean valknut has been called such for over a year [03:54] <direwolf> huh [03:54] <avanspronsen> Chaotic_Reality: that doesn't include mp3 by default [03:54] <arbir> Xenguy: can you paste what is in ur /etc/networking/interfaces file ? [03:54] <Xenguy> arbir: hang on [03:54] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, I don't even know what that program does....what is it ? [03:54] <Chaotic_Reality> avanspronsen, seemed to work for me with only having to adjust my output. [03:54] <patricia> Could someone help me? [03:55] <Sakara> chaotic where it should come?:D [03:55] <Sakara> that program [03:55] <dandelion> patricia: it all depends on what your problem is [03:55] <Syco54645> LinuxJones, it is a directconnect program... i trade smashing pumpkins and other concerts, so i kinda need it [03:55] <Syco54645> not that i cant compile it by hand [03:55] <Syco54645> i am just getting lazy in my old age [03:55] <Chaotic_Reality> Sakara, after it's installed you should be able to open it under Applications->Sound & Video->XMMS [03:55] <avanspronsen> the following doc talks about enabling mp3 support : http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats [03:56] <Sakara> no,i cant see it [03:56] <Chaotic_Reality> then it's not installed... [03:56] <DonL> patricia, everything is too small for you to read? You might check your screen resolution and see if you can change it from say 1024x768 to 800x600. If you're new to linux maybe that's the problem. Under windows maybe it was a different resolution [03:56] <fr500> Syco54645, and the chat, is it IRC? [03:56] <Syco54645> LinuxJones, well thanks for all of your help... i doubt that i will use anything but ubuntu once i get a new drive [03:56] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, there may be Debian packages that you may be able to install [03:57] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, cool :) [03:57] <avanspronsen> Sakara: look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats . let us know if you get tripped up [03:57] <Syco54645> fr500 the chat is not irc... it is like irc but it is made by neomadus [03:57] <fr500> ok [03:57] <fr500> looks cool [03:57] <DonL> patricia, if the problem seems system-wide that may be the problem. [03:57] <Syco54645> LinuxJones, i am no stranger to having to compile stuff myself (used to use mandrake and i refuse to use rpms) [03:57] <fr500> it's like the idea behind original napster or something? [03:58] <Syco54645> fr500 kinda, except live music sharing is legal [03:58] <fr500> oh [03:58] <fr500> ol [03:58] <Syco54645> see thetradersden.org [03:58] <Syco54645> or dimeadozen.org [03:58] <arbir> will beback [03:58] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, can't blame you for that :D [03:58] <Syco54645> even archive.org [03:58] <patricia> DonL, just the some menu of some aplications. Not all!! The resolution, 1200x800 is fine! But I can't read some menus of Xine, for exemplo. [03:58] <fr500> and how does it ensure it's live? [03:58] <Syco54645> LinuxJones, i went with gentoo back when debian was a pain to get through the install [03:59] <Syco54645> fr500 there are ops like me that check to make sure noone is sharing mp3s [03:59] <fr500> oh [03:59] <fr500> ok [03:59] <avanspronsen> Syco54645: and gentoo was easier ;-) [03:59] <Syco54645> most people dont encode cds to shn or flac [03:59] <khaije1> i do [03:59] <DonL> In that case, sorry, patricia . Mine is fine and I don't know what is your problem. 1200x800 sounds like a laptop resolution. Is it? [03:59] <direwolf> i do [03:59] <Syco54645> avanspronsen, everyone says that... it wasnt too hard. the old debian installed used to die on me. knoppix made it nicer [04:00] <jrattner1> How do i configure my system for high memory support [04:00] <Syco54645> ok well then the idiots that come to the hubs dont encode cds to flac or shn [04:00] <Syco54645> and besides the hubs are very well patrolled and not in the main hub lists [04:00] <Syco54645> so it is really a word of mouth thing [04:00] <khaije1> for backup to dvd, then make lossy copies for other digital media sources [04:00] <h08817> direwolf, i'm back [04:00] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, things have come a long way in the last 2 years or so. [04:00] <Syco54645> khaije1, well the normal kazaa user doesnt [04:01] <Syco54645> LinuxJones, yeah i know... the 2.6 kernel is finally good too [04:01] <Syco54645> :P [04:01] <khaije1> ahh... granted [04:01] <Syco54645> and i like this community [04:01] <Syco54645> no more elitists [04:01] <quarupted> Me too [04:01] <Syco54645> finally a linux that is nice [04:01] <DonL> Me too [04:01] <direwolf> howd it go h08177 [04:02] <h08817> direwolf, no luck i got this message fatal: error inserting ndiswrapper (lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko) operatoin not permitted [04:02] <quarupted> Gentoo is nice as well [04:02] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, yeah 2.6.0 was a big dissapointment for me. [04:02] <Goodspeed> DigiPen [04:02] <Goodspeed> !! [04:02] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ! is what u add before a sentence to talk to me [04:02] <Goodspeed> i found it! [04:02] <patricia> DonL, yeah! It is a notebook, a compaq [04:02] <direwolf> and you did " sudo modprobe -i ndiswrapper "? [04:02] <h08817> yes [04:02] <h08817> i did sudo everything [04:03] <DonL> patricia, they go their own way, and I'm afraid I'm out of my area of expertise there. [04:03] <JaZy84> i'm getting an error that says something about libstdc++ trys to open it but doesn't find that file or directory can i install this lib [04:04] <Xenguy> arbir: are you there now? [04:04] <jrattner1> where can i get the ubuntu smp kernel [04:04] <patricia> DonL, ok! I'll try to change resolution later.... [04:04] <h08817> direwolf, any clue? [04:05] <direwolf> nope [04:05] <h08817> any clue why that happens? [04:05] <DonL> patricia, "System, Preferences, Screen Resolution" [04:05] <patricia> Now, one more question: I can't open doc files, ou mp3 files in other machines, why??? [04:05] <h08817> also can u give me a link that will tell me a little more about what sudo does? [04:06] <patricia> But, if I copy it to my ubuntu, so, a can read/listen it perfectly! What is the problem? [04:06] <Sakara> damn! [04:06] <Sakara> still i cant listen mp3s :D [04:06] <DonL> I guess that means you should be running Ubuntu on the other machines, patricia [04:07] <avanspronsen> Sakara: did you follow the instructions? [04:07] <patricia> haha... but I can't do it! [04:07] <balzac> holy smokes, i'm having a bad time trying to install my stupid intel 537EP modem [04:07] <balzac> i think i'm going to just buy an external USR modem [04:07] <patricia> It is a configuration problem? [04:07] <Sakara> i tried [04:07] <direwolf> !sudo [04:07] <balzac> i'm a linux newb [04:07] <ubotu> somebody said sudo was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [04:08] <jrattner1> where can i get the ubuntu smp kernel? [04:08] <Sakara> i opened synatic package manage [04:08] <balzac> if i weren't bald already, i'd be pulling my hair out [04:08] <h08817> !sudo [04:08] <ubotu> [sudo] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [04:08] <h08817> thanks [04:08] <arbir> Xenguy: are you there now ? i am back up from my basement [04:08] <h08817> i might have a site let me know what u think [04:08] <h08817> direwolf, http://www.harry-b.de/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=harry:wlan [04:08] <balzac> i have to hand it to the linux community for perseverance in the face of pitiful hardware support [04:09] <balzac> all these years of getting treated as an after-thought by the hardware manufacturers... [04:09] <DonL> balzac, I have more hardware problems in this house with my wife's XP and my son's 98 [04:09] <balzac> DonL, you must be good at selecting hardware [04:10] <jrattner1> WHERE CAN I GET KERNELS FOR UBUNTU? [04:10] <DonL> Well, I do think about that when I buy it, but I find the linux distros have more ability to recognize more hardware now [04:10] <balzac> i just thought i'd try to get this crappy intel modem working, but it was too much for me. [04:11] <balzac> it's theoretically possible [04:11] <seth_k> jrattner1, from Synaptic [04:11] <jrattner1> seth_k, are you sure? [04:11] <DonL> balzac, sorry but I haven't needed a modem for a while. I use ADSL and love it [04:11] <holycow> jrattner1, apt-cache search kernel [04:11] <seth_k> jrattner1, sure. They're called linux-image-*** [04:11] <balzac> that's another one of my gripes, no broadband where i live [04:11] <jrattner1> im just trying to install the smp kernel [04:12] <DonL> balzac, that's too bad. Once you have it there, you won't want to leave it [04:12] <balzac> the US has fallen from #1 in broadband connectedness to #15 or something [04:12] <seth_k> then you'll want something like linux-image-2.6.12-6-686-smp jrattner1 [04:12] <DonL> balzac, are you in the states? [04:12] <balzac> i want to punch a politician [04:12] <balzac> yes [04:13] <DonL> Ok [04:13] <jrattner1> seth_k, after synaptic does its work will it boot that kernel by default? [04:13] <seth_k> jrattner1, if you uninstall the old one, yes [04:13] <patricia> DonL, how can i fix it? [04:13] <concept10> anyone know the link of the ubuntu hardware database [04:13] <jrattner1> seth_k, do i have to uninstall the old one to boot the new by default that seems weird [04:13] <balzac> whew! now i'm starting to feel better. [04:13] <seth_k> http://hwdb.ubuntu.com but it's down right now [04:14] <seth_k> jrattner1, no, you do not have to. You can also edit /boot/grub/menu.list [04:14] <seth_k> and change the default [04:14] <balzac> i'll just buy the $70 USR external modem [04:14] <seth_k> or I think there is a Boot applet in your Administration menu [04:14] <concept10> seth_k: down for maintenance [04:14] <balzac> ubuntu is nice [04:15] <DonL> patricia, I don't have enough information to help you further, I'm afraid. Don't know what you're trying to do. [04:15] <balzac> the installed help files are very skimpy [04:15] <seth_k> concept10, read my line. I told you it was down right now [04:15] <concept10> seth_k: I was asking if it was down for maintenance, I read your line [04:16] <balzac> the search function is ridiculous. it only searches the page you're looking at, not all the help pages. [04:16] <balzac> actually, that's find, it doesn't have searchable help [04:17] <balzac> nevertheless, i'm quitting windows for ubuntu [04:18] <DonL> balzac, I did that about 5 years ago. Best move I ever made [04:18] <balzac> i shoulda done it a long time ago [04:18] <patricia> DonL, i just want to open docs from machines trough the local netware [04:18] <balzac> i kept thinking a few apps were worth staying on windows for [04:19] <balzac> photoshop, dreamweaver, etc. [04:19] <DonL> patricia, what machines? What operating systems? [04:19] <balzac> now i'm going to do ruby on rails and get used to gimp [04:20] <DonL> balzac, did you use another gimp-like program before? [04:20] <patricia> Machines using Windows XP Pro and Home [04:20] <balzac> photoshop [04:20] <balzac> gimp is very much like photoshop [04:20] <DonL> balzac, I've heard that if you know that, gimp follows quite nicely [04:21] <balzac> you know what is annoying? how hard it is to get a Java VM running on ubuntu [04:21] <balzac> gimp has most of what you need [04:21] <toresbe> nice :) btw, I started a webradio :D check it out: http://toresbe.homelinux.org:8000/ [04:21] <toresbe> ohfuck, sorry [04:21] <toresbe> EWINDOW [04:22] <balzac> DonL, since i don't do print work, i can get away with gimp instead of photoshop [04:22] <DonL> patricia, any Windows box should recognize a .doc file. Maybe you have a problem connecting your computers together [04:22] <balzac> plus i'm planning on quitting design and focusing on dev [04:22] <farruinn> Anyone here have experience configuring ppp for an eMac? [04:23] <patricia> DonL, I don't gues so, because every other machines in the LAN can share files with wich other. [04:23] <DonL> balzac, Java has always annoyed me till I get it running and leave it. The best results I've had with Ubuntu and Java have been from the instructions on the Wiki or How to from Ubuntu [04:24] <balzac> thanks [04:24] <concept10> Anyone ever configured IrDA with ubuntu to sync palm pilots? [04:24] <balzac> once i get my ubuntu system online, i can use apt-get for the java parts [04:24] <balzac> i'm quitting php for ruby on rails [04:25] <balzac> i figured it would be cool to run it on linux natively [04:25] <h08817> direwolf, ok [04:25] <h08817> direwolf, i got it installed [04:25] <h08817> direwolf, it says driver present, hardware present [04:25] <DonL> patricia, getting Unix like boxes and Windows boxes talking for me is a dark art. I've never had much luck unfortunately. From Ubuntu I can see the other windows machines and share files from them, but they seem to have a hard time seeing my Linux box. [04:25] <h08817> direwolf, so now how do i get online with it? [04:26] <h08817> i need help from any1 [04:26] <balzac> you know, there's little things that still need work in the user interface of linux [04:26] <h08817> i just installed netgear wg111 usb how do i configure it to get online? [04:26] <balzac> i wish i were a better programmer so i could help fix up gnome [04:26] <Xenguy> patricia: would 'samba' help your boxen to talk to each other? [04:26] <direwolf> do you have another ethernet connection on the machine or just the usb wireless? [04:27] <h08817> just the usb [04:27] <DonL> balzac, you don't like gnome? [04:27] <h08817> i connect to my network i have here at home [04:27] <direwolf> do you use wep or wpa? [04:27] <balzac> DonL, i'm troubled by it [04:27] <h08817> no i don't use either but i should [04:27] <balzac> i like the configurability [04:27] <h08817> i live in the country so i am not worried about it [04:27] <balzac> but there's room for improvement [04:27] <DonL> I find it elegant in it's simplicity and wonderful to look at. [04:27] <h08817> but if u think i should have it then please help [04:28] <balzac> the default gnome is a bit weird, imho [04:28] <h08817> so... [04:28] <concept10> balzac: whats wierd about it? [04:28] <h08817> direwolf, so can i get online without all that security crap or will linux not allow it [04:28] <balzac> i prefer to have a URI - browser style [04:28] <direwolf> go to system > preferences > networking [04:29] <direwolf> you can get on without it [04:29] <balzac> i use that more [04:29] <jrattner1> Are there limewire packages for ubuntu? [04:29] <h08817> ok i am on 2 different computers now so i should brb [04:29] <balzac> i like to copy the URI from one window and use it in another [04:29] <patricia> Xenguy, Shall I install samba or it is already installed?? I gues it is alredy installed since I can see the other machines, am i right? [04:29] <DonL> When I discovered Ubuntu, I really liked it, and since it shipped with Gnome, I thought I'd give it a chance. As a result, I spent some time learning it, and now think it's the best (for me at least) [04:29] <h08817> direwolf, what should i do once in there? [04:29] <PlanarPlatypus> jrattner1, http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire [04:29] <wirk> Hello. What program can I use to rip CDs to mp3 ? [04:29] <balzac> DonL, i think there's a tension between the newb users and power users needing different features [04:29] <direwolf> do you use dhcp ? or static? [04:29] <Burgundavia> PlanarPlatypus, please don't recommend the ubuntuguide [04:30] <DonL> balzac, what do you mean? [04:30] <balzac> like apple - they still ship computers with a one-button mouse, which I can't stand to use [04:30] <Xenguy> patricia: I have no idea; it was just a question/suggestion. You need to ascertain details AFAICT [04:30] <Burgundavia> balzac, ironically spatial does well with power users but poorly with new users [04:30] <balzac> but it's probably better for kids and old people [04:30] <Burgundavia> balzac, gnome is working to correct this [04:30] <johnnybezak> hey guys is there a gnome applet in hoary for monitoring/changing wireless connections [04:30] <concept10> wirk: grip [04:30] <Burgundavia> johnnybezak, no [04:30] <balzac> Burgundavia, you mean the windows remembering their places? i still havent gotten used to it. [04:30] <wirk> Thanks concept10 [04:30] <Burgundavia> balzac, yes [04:31] <Burgundavia> johnnybezak, NetworkManager will be available in breezy [04:31] <balzac> also, spread-sheet style is much preferable to icons [04:31] <h08817> direwolf, sweet i am online [04:31] <iron_citadel> Hi, y'all. [04:31] <balzac> why would i ever want to see a bunch of icons in a directory? [04:31] <h08817> direwolf, how in the future could i make it wep or wpa? [04:31] <iron_citadel> Anyone know anything about evms? [04:31] <direwolf> great job h08177 [04:31] <concept10> There is a gnome panel applet that works for changing network options, but its nothing like NetworkManager [04:31] <DonL> balzac, these are all configurable [04:31] <direwolf> wep is easy you would just enter the key in the config tool [04:32] <Burgundavia> balzac, icons are a lot nicer than spreadsheet for new users [04:32] <h08817> do i just make one up on my network computer that i am connecting to? [04:32] <direwolf> for wpa you need wpa_supplicant which may be a bit harder to setup [04:32] <h08817> o well i'll just stick to wep [04:32] <Burgundavia> !ubuntuguide [04:32] <ubotu> [ubuntuguide] a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why. [04:32] <h08817> lol [04:32] <direwolf> you set the router to use wep then enter a phrase and generate a key [04:32] <direwolf> this is done on the router/ap [04:33] <h08817> o ok thanks for all ur help [04:33] <h08817> well onto my linux system [04:33] <direwolf> then you write the key down and enter it into the config tool on the machine with the wireless card [04:33] <h08817> also one more thing on the ubuntu site it has a tutorial that should answer all my questions right [04:33] <direwolf> not all but many [04:34] <direwolf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com [04:34] <h08817> what is the key i can press that will repeat what i type in a terminal window? [04:34] <balzac> anyway, i'm griping about little things. It's great overall [04:34] <h08817> i typed ndiswrapper like a million times [04:34] <direwolf> up arrow [04:34] <h08817> o ok any other interesting facts i should know as a noob? [04:34] <LinuxJones> h08817, the up arrow key [04:35] <h08817> thanks [04:35] <Xenguy> h08817: or Ctrl-p ;-) [04:35] <balzac> i'll get used to it. [04:35] <h08817> well i'm gonna go get on with linux screw windows [04:36] <DonL> balzac, You'll be enthusiastically brought in and contributing to others here I predict [04:36] <LinuxJones> h08817, in terminal ctrl + r will let you search (in reverse) the commands you typed in [04:36] <balzac> DonL, thank you. [04:37] <balzac> DonL, maybe I'll work on my own file-browser sometime. [04:37] <DonL> balzac, like me. I don't know a lot but I feel good when I can help someone [04:37] <iron_citadel> Can anyone answer a question about evms for me? [04:37] <Chaotic_Shield> I have a question regarding laptop compatibility [04:37] <Burgundavia> Chaotic_Reality, what sort of question? [04:37] <balzac> DonL, I found this great app called FreeMind [04:37] <Chaotic_Reality> :o [04:37] <Chaotic_Shield> erm. [04:37] <Chaotic_Shield> O_O [04:37] <balzac> that's why i wanted java on linux [04:38] <DonL> balzac, I'll google it [04:38] <balzac> you can use freemind as a file-browser [04:38] <Concord_Dawn> here [04:38] <n8l> are there any good video editing programs that work with ubuntu? [04:38] <Concord_Dawn> I'll switch my nick to make it easier for you [04:38] <jrattner1> How do i install JAVA? [04:38] <balzac> it creates nice file-trees of your directory structure [04:38] <Burgundavia> jrattner1, wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [04:38] <juanej> sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5 [04:38] <balzac> but i don't think you can use it to modify your directory structure [04:39] <balzac> its main purpose is mind-maps [04:39] <Concord_Dawn> Burgundavia, I was wondering why Ubuntu has a cow whenever I close my laptop lid [04:39] <Concord_Dawn> it switches to a prompt, but the prompt doesn't respond to anything [04:39] <Concord_Dawn> only thing I can do is power off and then power on again. [04:39] <balzac> i'm using it to organize my ideas, and linking to all my files from nodes in FreeMind [04:39] <Xenguy> Concord_Dawn: http://linux-laptop.net/ [04:39] <Burgundavia> Concord_Dawn, laptop stuff is not completely shaken out yet. It is a big goal to improve it. File a bug about it [04:39] <Concord_Dawn> :) [04:39] <Concord_Dawn> thanks [04:40] <balzac> that's the direction I want to go with how I relate to my filesystem [04:40] <DonL> Concord_Dawn, count yourself lucky. I like cows [04:40] <Concord_Dawn> lol [04:40] <n8l> are there any good video editing programs that work with ubuntu? [04:40] <balzac> n8l, have you checked out Dyne-Bolic? [04:40] <johnnybezak> n8l: video editing is a bit of a weak spot with linux atm [04:40] <Burgundavia> Concord_Dawn, ubutnu is very serious about laptop support. They are purchasing a bunch of laptops and distributing them to community members for testing [04:40] <balzac> that features some nice linux multimedia apps [04:41] <DonL> balzac, I'll take a look at it, but frankly, I have no problems with the file system management I'm using now [04:41] <johnnybezak> n8l: have a look for kino/cinerella [04:41] <iron_citadel> Would I break anything if I disabled evms? [04:41] <Doomhammer> hi guys [04:41] <johnnybezak> n8l: and there is a new gstreamer one out too can't rememeber the name [04:41] <Doomhammer> i've got a questoin [04:41] <Doomhammer> I have an ATI Radeon 9800 PRO card [04:41] <direwolf> is there anywhere to take a look at whats going to be added in breezy? [04:41] <Burgundavia> n8l, diva, but it is very new [04:41] <Doomhammer> does fglrx work well enough to allow me to game on linux? [04:41] <Burgundavia> Doomhammer, yes [04:41] <lJlolel> can you make linux (like XFCE) work like the Mac OSX menu so that the icons get larger when the mouse scrolls over [04:41] <Linux_Galore> n8l: lots of projects -> http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=video+edit&section=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 [04:42] <Burgundavia> Doomhammer, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto [04:42] <balzac> DonL, it's for mindmaps, primarily [04:42] <n8l> thanks [04:42] <DonL> balzac, okay. I'll check it out [04:42] <Xenguy> n8l: apt-cache search edit |grep video ? [04:42] <Linux_Galore> lJlolel: there is a KDE task bar thats does that called Kxdocker [04:42] <Doomhammer> Burgundavia: thanks, i'll have to check that out -- before I re-installed to try out Debian, i tried for weeks to get UT2004 to work... couldn't get it running [04:42] <Burgundavia> Doomhammer, np [04:42] <Linux_Galore> lJlolel: animated icons the whole deal like the docker in OSX [04:43] <Linux_Galore> lJlolel: www.kde-apps.org [04:43] <lJlolel> Linux_Galore,, i haven't actually used OSX, but that enlarging Icons seems cool [04:43] <balzac> DonL, you know what can make a GUI more efficient? If you can pass from one side of the screen to the other [04:43] <Doomhammer> hoary runs x.org by default, doesn't it? [04:43] <Linux_Galore> lJlolel: yeah....gets old really fast though [04:43] <balzac> sides and top & bottom [04:44] <lJlolel> Linux_Galore, well it seems functional as well, no? Easy to read yet never in the way [04:44] <DonL> balzac, I've seen that, but for me I don't need it [04:44] <direwolf> to mee its unnecessary and yeah, gets old quick [04:44] <DonL> Doomhammer, yes [04:44] <balzac> i don't either, but it's nice [04:44] <balzac> DonL, do you program? [04:44] <Linux_Galore> lJlolel: well the normal KDE kicker talk bar raises icons already when you do a mouse over and as of KDE 3.4 it opens a nice looking dialog box too... so does Gnome 2.12 now [04:45] <Linux_Galore> talk = task [04:45] <direwolf> elizabethtown pa ...wheres that [04:45] <lJlolel> Linux_Galore, cool, 2.12 is coming out in september ? [04:45] <DonL> direwolf, me too. I like dancing icons for oh about five minutes [04:45] <DonL> balzac, Some people think I do. I don't [04:45] <Linux_Galore> lJlolel: well ive got it already from cvs....but yes stable is in sept [04:45] <lJlolel> nice [04:46] <lJlolel> Linux_Galore, will breezy ship with 2.12? [04:46] <balzac> i'm not a deep programmer myself. my friend tells me ruby is where it's at. [04:46] <balzac> that's what i'm going to focus on. [04:46] <Linux_Galore> lJlolel: lots of fixes for problems many have being grumpy about [04:46] <direwolf> haha yeah you see it once n say to yourself "oh thats nice", after that its just annoying [04:46] <DonL> direwolf, That's it! lol [04:46] <Burgundavia> balzac, ruby or python are quite nice [04:46] <fr500> lJlolel, enlightment dr17 looks similar too [04:46] <Linux_Galore> lJlolel: Ive noticed the new versions of Gnome and KDE both are targeting user feedback on the desktop big time [04:47] <Doomhammer> okay, so I installed fglrx, updated my x.org config file, and loaded the module with modprobe... do I still need to reboot? [04:47] <lJlolel> that's great, linux has seen a lot of improvement on the desktop from when i tried it last year [04:47] <balzac> Burgundavia, i've heard good things about python as well, and it's ubiquitous among FOSS apps. It's the scripting language of Blender and Gimp. [04:48] <Linux_Galore> yeah I tried kxdocker.......hacked it up added some theme stuff then used it for a week and then went back tot the default taskbar [04:48] <direwolf> i love xfce, few things would be nice though - desktop icons (native) and nautilus style file manager [04:48] <direwolf> xffm is poopy [04:48] <direwolf> imo [04:48] <DonL> lJlolel, leaps and bounds I would say [04:48] <Linux_Galore> direwolf: XFCE is aimed at keeping it simple [04:48] <Burgundavia> balzac, there are very good gtk and qt binding for it [04:48] <Linux_Galore> direwolf: its not designed to be a fully functional desktop [04:48] <fr500> what linux would you use in this scenario: i have a 486laptop with 8mb ram, 400mb hdd, wifi and ethernet, both pcmcia, i want to make an ap, i have several of such laptops, and i'm building a WAN with my friends using all that "garbage" equipement [04:49] <Linux_Galore> fr500: damn small linux [04:49] <Cayne> newbie question - i am having trouble editing fstab to mount nfts...won't let me save it [04:49] <fr500> Linux_Galore, i forgot: no cd-rom [04:49] <Linux_Galore> dont laught thats the projects name [04:49] <direwolf> i dont see how complicated it would make it to make a (imo) better file manager [04:49] <Doomhammer> Burgundavia: I followed the directions and got it setup... do I need to reboot? it says I do, but AFAIK i can just restart the x server [04:49] <direwolf> the desktop icons - eh i could do without [04:50] <Linux_Galore> fr500: they have a floppy variant network install plug you can do a debian install via the web with some floppies [04:50] <holycow> fr500, ubuntu (if it installs) should be fine, you need to use a lightweight desktop like xfce tho [04:50] <Linux_Galore> plus* [04:50] <holycow> oh wait 8 mb ram? [04:50] <holycow> nm [04:50] <holycow> you won't get it to install on that [04:50] <fr500> i guessed so [04:50] <holycow> damn small linux like someone else noted indeed :) [04:50] <Burgundavia> Doomhammer, you need to restart X [04:50] <DonL> fr500, I would have to agree with Linux_Galore . DSL would be the best for you I think [04:50] <Linux_Galore> yeah damn small is as about as basic as you can go with Linux [04:50] <Burgundavia> Doomhammer, log out and hit ctrl-alt-bksp [04:51] <fr500> i hope it works [04:51] <LinuxJones> Cayne, you need root priviliges... sudo gedit /etc/fstab [04:51] <fr500> so many wasted laptops here awaiting [04:51] <Cayne> will try ta [04:51] <balzac> fr500, good luck [04:51] <Doomhammer> Burgundavia: alright, thanks... brb [04:51] <jrattner1> How do you install java from sypatic (it does not list it as a package) although i have the proper repositories [04:51] <DonL> fr500, that's very little hardware for anything nowadays [04:52] <Linux_Galore> lol I often find laptop thrown out as garbage..... got a nice PII in the garbage one day .....got of the bus and there it was sitting there on top of an old broken chair [04:52] <fr500> DonL, i only need iproute2 and wireless tools b [04:52] <DonL> jrattner1, go to the ubuntu wiki pages [04:52] <lJlolel> Linux_Galore, haha good deal [04:52] <lJlolel> one man's trash.. [04:52] <jrattner1> DonL, i followed those instructions [04:53] <Cayne> LinuxJones I get command not found [04:53] <fr500> DonL, got like 10of them, all exact the same models, recovered the wi-fi cards from linksys wet11s [04:53] <balzac> I searched for what is the best notebook for linux [04:53] <Linux_Galore> yep ones mans trash becomes my Linux ASM chip burner [04:53] <balzac> i'm wanting good hardware support [04:53] <balzac> it seems IBM is where it's at [04:53] <LinuxJones> Cayne, are you running gnome ? [04:53] <Cayne> kde [04:53] <DonL> fr500, cool. You can make this happen! [04:53] <LinuxJones> Cayne, ok substitue gedit with kedit [04:53] <Linux_Galore> Ive loaded a few thousand asic chips now with firmware with the free laptop [04:53] <Burgundavia> Cayne, make that kate [04:53] <Cayne> :) [04:54] <fr500> i hope [04:54] <balzac> fr500, I had 3 g3 wallstreets lying around [04:54] <fr500> well, sending them here is as expensive as aps+wets i think [04:54] <Linux_Galore> the thing eve had a built in 8x CDROm working fine......it had a broken windows 98 install on it [04:54] <balzac> they gave me too much problems, just from being so old and unstable [04:55] <LinuxJones> Cayne, I am half drunk and haven't used kde for over a year, sorry if I gave you some incorrect info :) [04:55] <Linux_Galore> even* [04:55] <Doomhammer> okay [04:55] <Cayne> np...looking promising...cheers [04:55] <balzac> i hope you have better luck. maybe these computers of yours are more robust [04:55] <Doomhammer> so how do I verify that x.org is using the new driver and it's working properly? [04:55] <DonL> Linux_Galore, Me too. Hope I don't lead too many people astray [04:55] <fr500> hmmm [04:55] <fr500> maybe not [04:55] <fr500> but it's a fun project [04:56] <balzac> it's nice to add value to old hardware with fresh software [04:56] <redtech> oops [04:56] <Linux_Galore> Ive noticed you can pick up an IBM Thinkpad laptop cheap ie T21 T22 or even a T42 cheap and they work perfectly with ubuntu.....buddy of mine got a T21 for $120 [04:56] <Doomhammer> Burgundavia: i'm getting ~3000 FPS in glxgears... is that right? [04:56] <Chaotic_Reality> what's the command to search apt-get for a certain package? [04:56] <balzac> Linux_Galore, i'm on the lookout for deals like that [04:57] <Linux_Galore> balzac: ebay is full of them......corps are dumping them [04:57] <balzac> Me and my nephew need to get notebooks. I've an old clunky gateway I can't stand. [04:57] <Xenguy> Chaotic_Reality: dpkg -l pkgname* [04:57] <Doomhammer> Chaotic_Reality: apt-cache search <insert package name here> [04:57] <Chaotic_Reality> thanks [04:57] <h08817> how do u get bitorrent to work [04:58] <DonL> balzac, I was given an old P1 that couldn't even do Win 98, converted it to Linux. Slow but capable of browsing and e-mail. I can't give the thing away! [04:58] <Linux_Galore> balzac: T22 and T42 are very thing laptops and both have more than enough grunt for ubuntu [04:58] <h08817> it asks for a meta file [04:58] <Linux_Galore> thin* [04:58] <Xenguy> Chaotic_Reality: actually, mine tells you whether the package is installed [04:58] <balzac> cool [04:58] <Linux_Galore> balzac: and both support DVD's [04:58] <Linux_Galore> balzac: get them for US$200 easy [04:59] <Linux_Galore> balzac: buildt like sherman tanks...but are thin [04:59] <Linux_Galore> built* [04:59] <h08817> how do i use bitorrent it asks for a meta file [04:59] <Chaotic_Reality> thanks Xenguy and Doomhammer. Are either of you familiar with pidentd? [04:59] <fr500> the net install part is a bit tricky, isn't there a chance of taking out the hd and installing the os in another pc? i have a laptop ide cable adaptor [04:59] <Linux_Galore> h08817: you usually download the file....I use azureus its way easier [04:59] <Xenguy> Chaotic_Reality: I've only heard of it [05:00] <h08817> azureus? [05:00] <Chaotic_Reality> i just installed it. not sure what to do with it after that point. heh [05:00] <Doomhammer> Chaotic_Reality: never heard of it -- what does it do? [05:00] <Chaotic_Reality> identd for irc so you don't have the little ~ at the front of your name [05:00] <DonL> well I must go do family things. Thanks for the chat people [05:00] <Chaotic_Reality> required on some irc networks [05:00] <Doomhammer> Chaotic_Reality: ah [05:01] <Linux_Galore> h08817: with azureus I just do a copy and paste the link from a bowser of the torren straight in, azureus looks after the rest [05:01] <h08817> Linux_Galore, so i download that program? [05:01] <fr500> Linux_Galore, the net install part is a bit tricky, isn't there a chance of taking out the hd and installing the os in another pc? i have a laptop ide cable adaptor [05:02] <Linux_Galore> http://azureus.org/ [05:02] <Linux_Galore> fr500: yeah should work [05:02] <balzac> azureus is nice [05:02] <Linux_Galore> yeah best bt app ive used in ages [05:02] <Doomhammer> okay guys [05:03] <Doomhammer> UT2004 setup wants me to switch discs [05:03] <Doomhammer> but, "device is in use" [05:03] <Doomhammer> can't unmount the CD ? [05:03] <h08817> Linux_Galore, is it free? [05:04] <Linux_Galore> h08817: totally [05:04] <Linux_Galore> h08817: even has a load of plugins you can download and use like firefox for more functionality [05:05] <Linux_Galore> like firefox does" [05:05] <balzac> i'm going to sell my gateway desktop replacement notebook and use the funds to get a thinkpad [05:05] <watanabe88> hello [05:05] <h08817> Linux_Galore, doesn't look free to me [05:05] <watanabe88> i am new to ubuntu [05:05] <jrattner1> how do i change my hostname [05:05] <watanabe88> i am trying to install limewire [05:05] <balzac> welcome watanabe88 [05:05] <h08817> Linux_Galore, it is asking me to pay money [05:05] <Linux_Galore> h08817: better not tell the author Ive been using it for ages without paying a dime [05:06] <Linux_Galore> h08817: its free [05:06] <watanabe88> i followed directions in unofficial ubuntu starter guide [05:06] <h08817> well how did u do it? [05:06] <balzac> azureus is free [05:06] <watanabe88> i have the icon in the applications [05:06] <Linux_Galore> h08817: thats a donation [05:06] <watanabe88> however it doesnot start [05:06] <Linux_Galore> h08817: its optiona; [05:06] <jrattner1> watanabe88, i just installed it a few minutes ago, you need to install java too [05:06] <Linux_Galore> optional [05:06] <watanabe88> hello jrattner1 [05:06] <h08817> no its membership options [05:06] <watanabe88> how do install the java [05:07] <Burgundavia> watanabe88, wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [05:07] <watanabe88> i went to JAva website to download [05:07] <jrattner1> watanabe88, use the link Burgundavia provided [05:08] <Linux_Galore> h08817: there the free page -> http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ [05:08] <Linux_Galore> h08817: sorry i sent you to the members page [05:08] <h08817> its ok [05:09] <h08817> now i just have to figure out how to install it [05:09] <h08817> i am a noob [05:09] <balzac> i have to add the extra repositories to get java - does that mean java is not on the ubuntu CD? [05:09] <seth_k> that's right [05:09] <h08817> do i just do sudo apt-get and i don't kinow the rest [05:09] <jrattner1> Anyone ever set up hotkeys via KHOTkeys [05:09] <socomm> balzac: That's right. It's not included for legal reasons. [05:09] <balzac> thanks [05:09] <Burgundavia> balzac, yes [05:09] <Burgundavia> balzac, Java is non-free [05:09] <balzac> too bad sun microsystems is doodoo [05:10] <Linux_Galore> h08817: download it .....unpack it and them create a link from your desktop to the azureus binary file in the unpackged root directory....you can do it all as a user that way your more secure [05:10] <Linux_Galore> then* [05:10] <balzac> scott mcnealy doesn't get it [05:10] <socomm> No one gets it. [05:10] <h08817> ok i am unpacking it now [05:10] <socomm> I being the exception of course. :^) [05:11] <socomm> By the way you can get azureus via apt-get. [05:11] <Linux_Galore> jrattner1: its built into kcontrol now you dont need an extra apps [05:11] <Linux_Galore> any* [05:11] <LinuxJones> balzac, that's because MS told them not to get it :) [05:11] <balzac> those who get it know it. those who don't get it don't know they don't get it. [05:11] <Linux_Galore> h08817: make sure you have java installed [05:11] <socomm> You need JRE. [05:12] <socomm> JRE 1.5 is recommended by the Azureus developers, if I remember correctly. [05:12] <balzac> yeah, MS is using imperial-style strategy to dely their inevitable demise [05:13] <Linux_Galore> socomm: Im still using 1.4.2 and it works fine with the latest version.....Im way of 1.5 i had way too much breakage [05:13] <jrattner1> Linux_Galore, its very complicated, to set up hotkeys in kde i cant figure out why [05:13] <Linux_Galore> jrattner1: open kcontrol [05:14] <Linux_Galore> jrattner1: or just type it in the terminal kcontrol [ENTER] [05:14] <jrattner1> Linux_Galore, i know where KHotkeys is i just cant get them to work [05:14] <Linux_Galore> jrattner1: aaah [05:14] <synnfest> This is the third time I've been in here for help....anybody else having any issues with Firefox? [05:15] <skapple> what issues are you having? [05:15] <balzac> here's a gripe - i had to compile a driver, and i needed additional tools installed to compile this driver. Does default ubuntu not install gcc? [05:16] <h08817> Linux_Galore, what should i open the bin file with what program [05:16] <h08817> i didn't extract it yet i just downloaded it [05:16] <synnfest> It completely hangs up on some pages. I've noticed that it happens most on ad-intense pages (forums work without a problem), but on anything with a lot of ads, it locks up before the page finishes loading [05:16] <dedsvrd> im having wireless problems [05:16] <Cayne> another newbie question...I cant find a sound utility to adjust sound on my laptop...is there one on synaptic that i missed? [05:17] <balzac> goodnight [05:17] <dedsvrd> i cant get my wireless card to work with ubuntu [05:17] <balzac> btw, synnfest, take your firefox errors to #firefox [05:17] <synnfest> what kind of card? [05:18] <synnfest> balzac: thanks [05:18] <dedsvrd> netanywhere [05:18] <lJlolel> exit [05:18] <lJlolel> exit [05:18] <balzac> actually, synnfest, the mozilla foundation has their own irc server [05:18] <watanabe88> still having difficulty finding the sun-j2re1.5 [05:18] <balzac> my buddy Asa is the release engineer [05:18] <synnfest> I think someone else was having issues on ubuntuforums.org with that, have you checked there? [05:18] <dedsvrd> not yet but i can [05:18] <cafuego> Wow, 'beagle' actually works once you disable inotify. [05:18] <balzac> he's probably familiar with your bug, but he's got to prioritize the bugs [05:18] <watanabe88> using the synaptic package manager despite add the Hoary-extras repository [05:19] <dedsvrd> noob question [05:19] <nickrud> cafuego, inotify in breezy? [05:19] <dedsvrd> extracting things [05:19] <balzac> synnfest, i mean mozilla has their own irc network [05:19] <balzac> you can find their main project channels there [05:19] <cafuego> nickrud: No, inofity must be DISABLED or beagle crashes. [05:20] <nickrud> cafuego, a kernel recompile then [05:20] <h08817> Linux_Galore, i made a link but i can't open the file [05:20] <cafuego> nickrud: it's happily indexing 4GB of mail now [05:20] <cafuego> nickrud: yeah [05:20] <skapple> the tao of the machine. [05:20] <cafuego> putting the sysload on 3, but eh [05:20] <skapple> is there any way to make ubuntu load into root instead of as user * [05:21] <cafuego> skapple: Yes. It's a VERY STUPID idea, though. [05:21] <h08817> how do i extract a bin file [05:21] <cafuego> h08817: What bin file? [05:22] <thenostradamus> i am having trouble with ssh.......when trying to connect to my computer, it won't recognize my password [05:22] <thenostradamus> it gives me the errer:Permission denied, please try again [05:22] <h08817> i downloaded azureus [05:22] <nickrud> cafuego, just no inotify, what about dnotify? [05:22] <cafuego> thenostradamus: Check the logs on your computer. [05:22] <Doomhammer> thenostradamus: some SSH servers are configured by default not to allow root logins...? [05:22] <cafuego> nickrud: I got no dnotify either [05:23] <thenostradamus> not as root [05:23] <cafuego> nickrud: Isn't inotify supposed to repalce dnotify anyway? [05:23] <nickrud> yes [05:23] <thenostradamus> cafuego, what logs? [05:23] <Doomhammer> thenostradamus: if you're not trying to log in as root, check the logs [05:23] <nickrud> why I asked :) [05:23] <cafuego> thenostradamus: syslog [05:23] <Doomhammer> thenostradamus: look in /var/log [05:23] <thenostradamus> ok [05:23] <skapple> cafuego: why ios it very dumb? [05:23] <cafuego> skapple: Running all software as root leaves you explosed to security holes. Any buggy app can modify any file on the system (kinda like Windows). [05:25] <skapple> cafuego: i do not necassarily want to login as root, i just want it to load into a console instead of Xwindows [05:25] <dedsvrd> i need help with extracting [05:25] <cafuego> skapple: There nothing you can't do by logging in as user and using sudo. [05:26] <cafuego> skapple: By default or just once? [05:26] <cafuego> skapple: You can always hit ctrl-alt-F1 for a console. [05:26] <cafuego> skapple: If you enever want X to boot, disable gdm. (install rcconf, run rcconf) [05:27] <jrattner1> how do i change my hostname [05:27] <cafuego> jrattner1: $EDITOR /etc/hostname [05:27] <jrattner1> thanks [05:28] <cafuego> jrattner1: And 'sudo hostname <newhostname>' [05:28] <cafuego> that will save you a reboot. [05:28] <cafuego> You may also want to edit /etc/mailname [05:29] <symex_linux> ae galera so o mais novo entregante o ubuntu [05:30] <hubsi> could you plz talk english? [05:30] <desrt> hubsi; likewise. [05:30] <cafuego> desrt: Could you do the same then? [05:30] <cafuego> arrgh [05:30] <desrt> cafuego; eh? [05:30] <cafuego> desrt: nevermind :-) [05:30] <desrt> :) [05:30] <cafuego> desrt: I cross-eyed and retarded today. [05:30] <cafuego> I'm [05:30] <desrt> stop trying :) [05:31] <symex_linux> pow algum brasileiro [05:31] <cafuego> !br [05:31] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. [05:31] <symex_linux> #ubuntu-br [05:31] <desrt> /join #ubuntu-br [05:31] <thenostradamus> cafuego, what am i looking for.......i don't see ssh [05:31] <symex_linux> tanks [05:31] <desrt> no problem. cheers. [05:31] <cafuego> !br =~ s/portugues./portugues. Obrigado./ [05:31] <ubotu> cafuego: OK [05:32] <cafuego> thenostradamus: Check /var/log/auth.log also [05:32] <cafuego> thenostradamus: Anything there? [05:32] <cafuego> thenostradamus: Were you trying to ssh in as root? [05:32] <thenostradamus> no, as a regular user [05:33] <ilba7r> on my notebook gnome default setting make all windows soo large. I want to reduce their size. Is there anyother way then reducing the font size and can i use reducing the font resolution to do that? [05:33] <hubsi> 1 question.. if i extract something.. with .. tar... <file> -C <path>.. and this dict. already exists... does this command overwrite it.. or copy the files in this dict. [05:35] <dbw> hubsi: it will overwrite them, AFAIK [05:35] <hubsi> but there are other files in this dict. [05:35] <hubsi> what can i do!? [05:36] <dbw> hubsi: if the same file is not in the tarball, then you're fine, it won't delete anything it doesnt' need to [05:36] <hubsi> no.. other files.. just same dict. [05:36] <dbw> hubsi: or you can use the "-k" option, which will make it keep the existing files [05:36] <mwright1> Where can I download breezy [05:36] <dbw> hubsi: oh, then it's fine [05:36] <hubsi> why do you want to install breezy [05:37] <dbw> mwright1: google [05:37] <jrattner1> is there a way to make grub use a graphical interface? [05:37] <hubsi> it's not stable [05:37] <spiral> is there any installation guide for qmail in ubuntu? [05:37] <dbw> jrattner1: yes, but it's harder than you want to deal with [05:37] <dbw> spiral: apt-get install qmail ?? [05:37] <jrattner1> dbw, its not worth it? [05:37] <nickrud> hubsi, but, it's not in uppercase anymore, and it's almost at the end of the topic :) [05:37] <dbw> jrattner1: well, think of it this way... how often do you see the boot screen? [05:38] <Doomhammer> jrattner1: it's really not that hard... just remove the hide menu line in /boot/grub/grub.conf and download a bootsplash image... then add "bootsplash=something.xpm.gz" and you're good to go [05:38] <dbw> jrattner1: google grub bootsplash [05:38] <hubsi> Please don't use Breezy yet [05:38] <symex_linux> who me of the one tip of as to install the SMBClient [05:38] <jrattner1> thanx Doomhammer [05:38] <dbw> symex_linux: ??? what is your native language [05:39] <noisesmith> I am trying to install ubuntu and need to install swap for the install to continue, on a laptop with no installed os [05:39] <noisesmith> I cannot find fdisk or cfdisk or anything though [05:39] <symex_linux> face now q tou training my English [05:40] <hubsi> is "tar -xzvf <file.tgz> -C <path/to/copy> right? [05:40] <Doomhammer> noisesmith: ubuntu partitions the disk for you... i'm not sure what your probmem is? [05:40] <dbw> symex_linux: es? br? cz? nl? de? [05:40] <jrattner1> Doomhammer, does it matter what version of grub i have [05:40] <noisesmith> doomhammer: run out of ram before swap installation [05:40] <dbw> jrattner1: nope [05:41] <hubsi> seems fr [05:41] <Doomhammer> jrattner1: nope [05:41] <dbw> noisesmith: use a livecd to partition it? [05:41] <Doomhammer> noisesmith: ah... you need to download "The Ultimate Boot CD" -- it's got tons of tools, you should be able to create a linux swap partition [05:41] <dbw> symex_linux: parlez vous francais? [05:41] <noisesmith> thanks [05:41] <cafuego> symex_linux: 'apt-get install smbfs' [05:41] <dbw> cafuego: is that what he was asking? [05:42] <cafuego> dbw: From what i can tell, yes. [05:42] <cafuego> dbw: He wants smbclient. [05:42] <dbw> cafuego: i thought he wanted to know who told him something about smbclient [05:43] <dbw> HUMANITY TO OTHERS *THAT*! [05:43] <cafuego> dbw: Scuse me? [05:43] <BigWings> problema seu [05:43] <JoshRA> Hello does anyone know why when starting and running tspc i get kernal panics? [05:43] <jrattner1> Doomhammer, i dont have a grub.conf file in /boot/grub [05:43] <hubsi> kernal *loL* [05:43] <dbw> cafuego: pretty much everyone is. but i didn't say non-native, i said non-speakers [05:44] <spiral> has anyone installed qmail on ubuntu yet> [05:44] <Burgundavia> dbw, please remember the ubuntu code of conduct [05:44] <spiral> ? [05:44] <fy> hello all [05:44] <anders__> morning [05:44] <hubsi> much to learn you have :P [05:44] <cafuego> spiral: Most people would use postfix and not bother with unpackaged non-GPL software. [05:44] <dbw> Burgundavia: it doesn't mention bats, dude :-\ [05:44] <hubsi> YODA ROX [05:44] <h08817> i need a guide to installing bitorrent and what program i should use [05:44] <JoshRA> Anyone? [05:44] <fy> im french i have a pb with my ibook g4, the sound dont work correctly, :s sry for my bad english [05:45] <cafuego> spiral: Any reason you think you need qmail? [05:45] <dbw> !fr [05:45] <ubotu> [fr] Va a #ubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais [05:45] <anders__> some intrest to hear a radio running whit ubuntu [05:45] <fy> thx [05:46] <jrattner1> Doomhammer, did you mean /boot/grub/menu.1st [05:46] <Doomhammer> jrattner1: oh yea, sorry -- ubuntu uses a different file than other OS'es i've used [05:46] <Doomhammer> jrattner1: oh yea, sorry -- ubuntu uses a different file than other OS'es i've used [05:47] <anders__> chek this www.xboks.dk the site is english [05:48] <spiral> cafuego, yeah, from what I know it is the most secure mail server [05:48] <spiral> cafuego, and is easier to install than sendmail. [05:49] <spiral> cafuego - well that is what I have heard, and I have never installed it [05:50] <symex_linux> it has a person good of ubuntu to give msn to me hotmail [05:51] <hubsi> whats the command for rename? [05:51] <anders__> coffe time [05:52] <JoshRA> Hello does anyone know why when starting and running tspc i get kernal panics? [05:52] <Doomhammer> does anyone here play Unreal Tournament 2004 ? [05:54] <mwright1> I want to install breezy cause 5.04 is really nice, but we have FC4 boxes, and breezy compares becuase it has oo2.0 [05:54] <linfreak> i just installed the base system on my other pc and when i run sudo apt-get install fluxbox it can't find the package [05:54] <linfreak> andyone know why this might be happening? [05:54] <anders__> aa no idear [05:54] <Doomhammer> linfreak: you need to enable the Ubuntu universal repositories [05:55] <linfreak> how do i do that in the terminal? [05:55] <Doomhammer> uh [05:55] <direwolf> what was that about [05:55] <Doomhammer> linfreak: you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list [05:55] <linfreak> is there a wiki on that? [05:55] <Doomhammer> linfreak: yea, but i'm too lazy to find the link :P [05:56] <linfreak> i'll take a look [05:56] <linfreak> thanks [05:56] <linfreak> but i can do that without having x-window system or any GUi right? [05:56] <vader_> Doomhammer, so am I lol [05:56] <vader_> it is almost bedtime [05:57] <ed1t> linfreak lol yea if u use lynx or wget and go thru html files [05:57] <ed1t> heh [05:57] <Doomhammer> OMFG !!!! [05:57] <ed1t> i dunno how u gonna do that [05:57] <Doomhammer> Unreal Tournament 2004 worked on the first try! [05:57] <Doomhammer> holy crap! [05:57] <Doomhammer> i didn't even have to figure out how to get it to work! [05:57] <Doomhammer> w00t!!! [05:57] <linfreak> l33t [05:57] <linfreak> :p [05:57] <Doomhammer> :P [05:57] <linfreak> i really wish i hadn't done this now [05:58] <Doomhammer> linfreak: what? installing ubuntu? [05:58] <linfreak> that wiki said nothing about enabling repositories [05:58] <linfreak> the base system, yeah [05:58] <ed1t> linfreak wat u tryin to do? [05:58] <Doomhammer> linfreak: oh alright... give me a minute, i'll throw my sources.list up on my webserver (ubuntu) [05:58] <linfreak> install afluxbox [05:58] <Doomhammer> ed1t: he's trying to get fluxbox [05:58] <Doomhammer> ah! here ya go linfreak [05:58] <Doomhammer> http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t316051.html [05:59] <Doomhammer> about 2/3 down the page, you'll see a post by JonCooperUK [05:59] <Doomhammer> he tells you what to add to your sources.list [05:59] <ed1t> linfreak sudo apt-get install fluxbox [05:59] <h08817> any help with bitorrent [05:59] <Doomhammer> ed1t: he needs to enable the universal repositories [05:59] <linfreak> right, how do i do that without a GUI? [06:00] <Doomhammer> linfreak: what editor do you like? VI? Nano? [06:00] <Doomhammer> linfreak: if you don't know, do this: sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list [06:00] <direwolf> nano /etc/apt/sources.list [06:00] <vader_> gedit here lol [06:00] <Doomhammer> CTRL+X is to save [06:00] <linfreak> gedit, but i don't have that.... [06:00] <linfreak> or do i? [06:00] <linfreak> :P [06:00] <ed1t> linfreak use nano then [06:00] <deprave> i'm bored, what can i install that's fun? [06:00] <linfreak> okay [06:01] <ed1t> deprave gnome! [06:01] <linfreak> the sasserworm on windows and then try to get rid of it [06:01] <anders__> who can i installe my scanner?? [06:01] <ed1t> if u using KDE [06:01] <djcheezecake> wow..alotta ppl in this room..i remember when only 10 used to show up. =P [06:01] <linfreak> brb, gonna try nano [06:01] <h08817> how can i install bitorrent it is asking for a metafile [06:02] <direwolf> azureus is better imo [06:02] <vader_> h08817, no idea [06:02] <anders__> na emule [06:02] <h08817> well direwolf how do i install it [06:03] <magneto> h08817 - sudo apt-get install bittorrent [06:03] <magneto> btlaunchmanycurses > azureus [06:03] <linfreak> netfloods sucks here [06:04] <linfreak> netsplit i mean [06:04] <deltab> h08817: sounds like you already have it installed [06:04] <yaaar> word [06:05] <magneto> !word up [06:05] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, magneto [06:05] <Doomhammer> guys, for some reason there's no sound in UT2004 [06:05] <h08817> magneto, how does that work [06:05] <Doomhammer> i've had problems with XMMS as well... [06:05] <h08817> ? [06:05] <h08817> deltab, i do [06:05] <djcheezecake> doomhammer: maybe you need to kill esd? [06:05] <h08817> deltab, i do but i don't know how to fix it [06:06] <anders__> cant you serch after bit torrnet? [06:07] <anders__> in terminal [06:07] <magneto> h08817: its part of bittorrent - you just put your torrents in a directory and go to where you want em downloaded then run btlaunchmanycurses /some/dir/ --max_uploads 8 or osmething like that [06:07] <shadeofgrey> hey guys [06:07] <shadeofgrey> i need help [06:08] <yaaar> anybody know how i can get xscreensaver to use the screen as the image for screensavers to manipulate? i've tried the 'grab frames' checkbox, and also editing ~/.xscreensaver for it... [06:08] <magneto> h08817 - it uses wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy less memory than azureus [06:08] <shadeofgrey> when i first started using ubuntu i was on 2.5 something and now that things have moved to 2.6 -- someth9ing is wrong with the "accepted" procedure for installing my nvidia drivers [06:08] <h08817> magneto, what does? [06:08] <magneto> horr17: bittorrent does [06:09] <jbloudg20> hey does anyone know how to specify to alsa which soundcard to use? I have my onboard, and a chaintec av710, and alsa is defaulting to onboard, or so I believe [06:09] <magneto> h08817: azureus is a memory hog [06:09] <h08817> magneto, well how can i fix my problem of wanting a metafile can i just download a different program or can i fix mine? [06:09] <anders__> sorry back again [06:09] <h08817> i have the program that came with ubuntu [06:09] <djcheezecake> YES azureus is major memory hog.. [06:09] <shadeofgrey> if i use synaptic and follow the directions for installing the nvidia stuff, the aRchives copy okay but .... the command to enable the drivers makes some mysterious changes to my xorg.conf file and makes the system totally unusable in anything butr text mode... X11 wont even start after all the accepted updates [06:09] <djcheezecake> ho8817: use either bittornado or gnome's bittorrent client.. [06:09] <magneto> h08817: what is your exact error and when does it occur? [06:10] <spiral> has anyone installed qmail on ubuntu yet? And know of any good walkthroughs to do this? [06:10] <shadeofgrey> anybody have any ideda how to make the nvidia stuff work properly under 2.6? [06:10] <h08817> magneto, i am running gnome BiTorrent and it says open a location for bittorrent meta file [06:11] <jbloudg20> any chaintec av710 users? [06:11] <Alinux> someone alive [06:11] <Alinux> who could help me? [06:11] <anders__> yes [06:11] <magneto> its asking for your torrent files [06:11] <Alinux> I need to create a script [06:11] <Alinux> boot script [06:12] <Alinux> very simple [06:12] <Doomhammer> why is the sound on my system very low quality? [06:12] <magneto> the files you download that tell the program what server to connect to and all that good stuff [06:12] <Doomhammer> i changed it to high in the sound config, but it doesn't seem to have helped... [06:12] <Alinux> someone could help me? [06:12] <djcheezecake> ho8817: you need to specify the torrent file you're trying to access.. [06:12] <h08817> where is it located? [06:12] <h08817> i just want to run bittorrent and download stuff why is it so complicated [06:12] <djcheezecake> ho8817: wherever you decided to download you're torrent file.... [06:13] <h08817> i never downloaded one [06:13] <Doomhammer> why is my sound very low-quality, even if I changed it to high in the KDE Control Center ? [06:13] <djcheezecake> ho8817: you goto a website...download a torrent file of your choice...and then use that bittorrent client to download the actual file.. [06:14] <h08817> what torrent file do i choose and where do i get them? [06:14] <magneto> h08817: in order to download stuff you should go to a site and find torrent files - then open those files with bittorrent and you will download them [06:14] <magneto> try isohunt.com piratebay.com etc [06:14] <Doomhammer> why is my sound very low-quality, even if I changed it to high in the KDE Control Center ? [06:14] <magneto> you can download ubuntu like that too :) [06:14] <spiral> has anyone installed qmail on ubuntu yet? And know of any good walkthroughs to do this? [06:15] <vader_> spiral, I only use evilution [06:15] <vader_> evolution^^ [06:15] <Doomhammer> i don't mean to repeat myself... but... [06:15] <Doomhammer> i don't mean to repeat myself... but... [06:15] <Doomhammer> why is my sound very low-quality, even if I changed it to high in the KDE Control Center ? [06:16] <Doomhammer> lol [06:16] <Doomhammer> that's not what I wanted to repeat :P [06:17] <shadeofgrey> how do i update my ubuntu installation to the latest stable release using apt-get? [06:17] <Doomhammer> shadeofgrey: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade [06:17] <Burgundavia> shadeofgrey, how many menus do you have? [06:17] <vader_> I am going to try and install thunderbird mail tomorrow here, it is like almost 12:30 here am [06:17] <Doomhammer> why is my sound very low-quality, even if I changed it to high in the KDE Control Center ? [06:18] <shadeofgrey> burg: what do you mean how many menuss? [06:18] <Burgundavia> shadeofgrey, if you have 3, you already have the latest stable [06:18] <vader_> Doohammer, I only have gnome right now, I am of no help lol [06:18] <shadeofgrey> burg: version 3 of what? the nvidia stuff? [06:18] <shadeofgrey> or ubuntu in general? [06:19] <Burgundavia> shadeofgrey, if you have 3 menus, you already have the latest stable [06:19] <DekaPink> Okay, someone told me before, but now I can't remember... How do I stop Ubuntu from trying to sync with the clock server at startup, since it doesn't work? ^^ Unload the module or what have you. [06:19] <fy> !fr [06:19] <ubotu> somebody said fr was Va a #ubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais [06:19] <Doomhammer> vader_ bah... on Gnome the sound was very quiet, even when I turned it all the way up... had to turn up my stereo, and thus it BLASTED my ears when I rebooted into winBlows [06:19] <djcheezecake> DekaPink: i just hit Ctrl + c to cancel ... [06:20] <shadeofgrey> is 2.6.10-5-386 the latest stable? [06:20] <Burgundavia> shadeofgrey, yes [06:20] <vader_> Doohammer, what are you using desktop or laptop? [06:20] <shadeofgrey> okay thanks [06:20] <Burgundavia> shadeofgrey, the next stable is due for release in Oct 2005 [06:20] <Doomhammer> vader_: i'm using a desktop, with the onboard nForce 2 auto [06:20] <Doomhammer> audio* [06:20] <Burgundavia> shadeofgrey, it will contain the 2.6.12 kernel and 2.12 gnome [06:21] <vader_> hmmmmmm, I haven;t heard of probs, will look into it on Monday [06:21] <vader_> I do it at work and it is considered research lol [06:21] <Doomhammer> so it seems i can run ut2004 with no performance loss using fglrx... does that mean doom3 will work ?! :D [06:22] <vader_> you did say nforce2 right Doohammer? [06:23] <Doomhammer> vader_: yes, nForce 2 [06:23] <vader_> ok, I have enailed myself a remineder [06:23] <DekaPink> djcheezecake: That... Doesn't make sense in regards to my question... I want to stop it from even trying to do it? :3 [06:23] <Doomhammer> vader_: the computer in the other room is also running an nForce 2 motherboard, but it's sound quality is fine under ubuntu (both running KDE) [06:23] <n8l> alright I have a GeForce4 MX 4000. When I install it and boot up my computer it starts up godd n all but then its just blank after that. Help PLZ! [06:23] <djcheezecake> DekaPink: gotcha... [06:24] <djcheezecake> DekaPink: dont have an answer for you for that...i just do what i told you if sumthins actin up at boot [06:24] <DekaPink> djcheezecake: Cool, well... Thanks anyway. :) [06:24] <vader_> Doohammer, I would compare the 2 files [06:25] <vader_> side by each [06:25] <anders__> how come that i can't get my cano scan too workt? [06:26] <Doomhammer> vader: what files ? :S [06:26] <vader_> the sound files, are you using Alsa? [06:26] <vader_> or esound or what?? [06:27] <OddAbe19> 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 [06:27] <OddAbe19> sorry [06:27] <OddAbe19> damn cat hit the 0 and enter [06:27] <OddAbe19> when i moved him [06:28] <vader_> lol [06:29] <vader_> Doohammer, look at this and I will return tomorrow http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21541.html [06:29] <anders__> hello Loke Dk im from there too [06:32] <anders__> thos some no if there is a ubuntu danish chat rum some where ? [06:35] <Doomhammer> vader_: i've tried all the sound libs that are installed, OSS, ALSA, eSound, etc [06:39] <mkerby> I've got to get a bootable cd from an iso. What is a good proggie to do this in linux? [06:39] <black13> i am interested in anyone who has experience with how xinit works [06:40] <Burgundavia> mkerby, right click on it, and see if there is a write to disk option [06:43] <mkerby> Burgundavia, will this give me a bootable image? [06:43] <black13> xinit works but startx fails [06:43] <shadeofgrey> why does "apt-get install libdvdcss2 give me a no installatiojn candidate error? [06:43] <Burgundavia> mkerby, yes [06:43] <cafuego> !info libdvdcss2 [06:44] <cafuego> Coz it not in ubuntu proper. [06:44] <cafuego> !find libdvdcss2 [06:44] <mkerby> Burgundavia, thanks a bunch! I'll try it. [06:44] <shadeofgrey> !info libdvdcss2 [06:44] <shadeofgrey> whats the package name to install dvd playback cap[ability for totem then? and mp3 and stuff? [06:45] <Burgundavia> shadeofgrey, libdvdcss2 and it is in hoary-extras [06:45] <cafuego> !restrictedformats [06:45] <ubotu> hmm... restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs' [06:45] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'libdvdcss2' returned no results. [06:45] <shadeofgrey> what are the lines to add hoary-extras to my sources.list file? [06:45] <cafuego> !find libdvdcss2 extras [06:45] <Burgundavia> shadeofgrey, wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto [06:46] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'libdvdcss2 extras' returned no results. [06:49] <pax> anyone care to paste their original (vosts stripped) /etc/apache2/sites-available/default to http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/ please [06:51] <Ropy> hey ya'll [06:52] <pax> nobody running apache2? [06:52] <pax> hi Ropy [06:53] <Ropy> i just installed ubuntu and seeking some help [06:53] <Burgundavia> pax, likely, but this is quiet period [06:53] <pax> just ask Ropy [06:53] <Burgundavia> Ropy, what do you need help with? [06:54] <Ropy> I dual booted with xp, my other HDs are NTFS [06:54] <Ropy> how can I see what's on them? [06:54] <Burgundavia> !ntfs [06:54] <ubotu> well, ntfs is the filesystem used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab [06:54] <Burgundavia> that last link will mount them for you [06:55] <cafuego> pax: I run apachge2. What's the problem? [06:55] <cafuego> pax: Hmm, I don't think I astill have the original. [06:55] <cafuego> ahaa! default.dpkg-dist :-) [06:55] <pax> cafuego: np mate, cheers [06:56] <Ropy> how, went there and just saw some code.... [06:56] <pax> cafuego: strip your info and post it somewhere if you dont mind [06:56] <cafuego> pax: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1013 (Note, it'sthe debian one) [06:57] <pax> thanks cafuego [06:57] <seife> yo [06:57] <seife> i downloaded the live cd [06:57] <seife> burnt it [06:57] <seife> ran it [06:57] <seife> but its not opening a weird file [06:57] <Ropy> also, how do I install files? [06:57] <Ropy> or convert rpms to dpkg? [06:57] <seife> Dunno, i cant get the live cd workin [06:57] <cafuego> Ropy: What package specifically? [06:57] <pax> cafuego: wep, that's the one. you rock [06:58] <Ropy> want to install and app but it's in rpm [06:58] <Ropy> and based on my undersanding ubuntu only supports dpkg [06:59] <cafuego> Ropy: WHICH app [06:59] <cafuego> Ropy: Changes are, it's available as .deb as well. [06:59] <Ropy> xchat and wine [07:00] <cafuego> Ropy: sudo apt-get install xchat wine [07:00] <cafuego> Ropy: Make sure youy have the universe and multiverse repositories. [07:01] <Ropy> u lost me at the last part... I'm fairly new to nix [07:01] <cafuego> !repos [07:01] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [07:01] <cafuego> Ropy: Read that page; then start synaptic and install xchat and wine. [07:02] <black13> what is the purpose of the /etc/X11/Xsession file [07:02] <Ropy> ok, I'll do that [07:02] <Ropy> thanks for the help [07:03] <seife> its anyone helping me? [07:04] <logical_mark> seife, just ask a question, somone will help you [07:04] <djcheezecake> i think he did...he mentioned something about live CD... [07:05] <djcheezecake> he can't get the live CD working..thats all i got from the log [07:05] <Madpilot> hi seife [07:05] <djcheezecake> seife, that is.. [07:06] <logical_mark> either you didnt burn it as an image or you dont have the correct boot order on your comp [07:06] <logical_mark> is it messing up or not booting off the cd at all? [07:06] <Tarcastil> hello, can anyone help me out with some trouble of getting dma working on a cdrom drive? [07:06] <cafuego> Tarcastil: hdparm -c1 -d1 -u1 /dev/hdc [07:06] <spiral> has anyone installed qmail on ubuntu yet? And know of any good walkthroughs to do this? [07:06] <cafuego> Tarcastil: if that won't work, it's not going to. [07:07] <cafuego> spiral: You still haven't explained why you think you need qmail when postfix works fine. [07:07] <Tarcastil> cafuego: nope, it's a /dev/scd0 [07:07] <Tarcastil> cafuego: and it doesn't work for some reason [07:07] <PM-aSeepin> What's up, people [07:07] <cafuego> Tarcastil: SCSI doesn't DO dma. [07:08] <Tarcastil> cafuego: does that mean dvds will all be choppy? [07:08] <cafuego> Tarcastil: No [07:08] <Tarcastil> cafuego: good :) [07:08] <guardianx3> can someone help me log see files that is on the windows network? [07:08] <Tarcastil> cafuego: thanks [07:08] <cafuego> Tarcastil: it will run at whatever speed it is; dma is an IDE thing that is normally on anyway, but soemtimes off if you have a badly supported IDE chip. [07:09] <guardianx3> or point me to the information i had trouble looking for it on google [07:10] <spiral> cafuego, I did write that i have heard that qmail is more secure than postfix [07:10] <Chickenman_> can an1 see me? [07:10] <cafuego> spiral: That's complete nonsense. [07:10] <cafuego> Chickenman_: we all can [07:11] <guardianx3> how do u add a fav room into xchat? i would like to add this channel in xchat [07:11] <Chickenman_> djcheezecake, my internet went down i am h08817 [07:11] <jasmuz> guardianx3: if you are using Xchat under Ubuntu its set as default [07:12] <cafuego> spiral: just go with postfix. it fast, secure and _easy_ to set up. [07:12] <guardianx3> how do i get to the default? [07:12] <guardianx3> is there a favorite option like mirc? [07:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there anything like limewire that can be safely/effectively used in ubuntu? [07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm concerned that since it's not a deb package, limewire might muck up my system [07:13] <jasmuz> BROKEN_LADDER: there is limewire for GNU/LINUX [07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> yup there is [07:13] <cafuego> Does the Linux limewire also contain spyware? [07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> the issue is just whether it's a good idea to install it. [07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol [07:13] <guardianx3> how do i get files on my home pc .. the pc is in a windows network [07:13] <amichai> hey guys. i feel my ubuntu has wlown down. anyway i can speed it up. hd is not fuller than has been. any tips? [07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> guardianx3 you could set up a samba share [07:14] <jasmuz> BROKEN_LADDER: aMULE, gtk-gnutella, Apollon [07:14] <cafuego> guardianx3: Install and configure samba. [07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> jasmuz hey thanks! [07:14] <guardianx3> broken- will u point me to how to set up samba share in unbuntu?? [07:14] <jasmuz> amichai: check if you have DMA enabled [07:14] <guardianx3> samba is not already installed in unbunto? [07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> it should be installed yup. [07:15] <guardianx3> how do i get it to work? [07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> guardianx3 you should be able to go into nautilus and type in a share address, or search for local shares [07:15] <guardianx3> i'm sorry i'm newb to linux [07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> are you wanting to search from the linux box for a share on the windows machine? [07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> or share from your linux box? [07:15] <pax> guardianx3: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=129315&postcount=1 [07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> setting it up isn't too complicated if you follow a howto, but i think there's probably some gui app that can make it easy for you. [07:16] <amichai> jasmuz: hdparm? [07:16] <jasmuz> amichai: yea [07:16] <guardianx3> broken- i have trouble finding the gui tut on goggle i dont know what is the best search keyword to use [07:16] <pax> wep, use SWAT it's crap but can get you going [07:16] <pax> !swat [07:16] <ubotu> hmm... swat is Samba Web Administration Tool | sudo apt-get install swat | http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/swat.8.html [07:17] <amichai> jasmuz: how do i find out if my hd is hda or hdb? [07:17] <Imsdle> i stuffed up when setting up firebirdcs.. now i want to reinstall it but i dn't want to have redownload it [07:17] <Imsdle> how do you remove somehting and reinstall it without having to apt-get install and dowload the files again? [07:18] <Chaotic_Reality> anyone had success setting up the ati control and getting their external monitor to work? [07:19] <guardianx3> the window pc with files is ip 10.3.1.100 how do i get the files???the workgroup name is = goku [07:20] <jasmuz> amichai: probably you installed into hda [07:20] <deltab> Imsdle: you should be able to find the package in /var/cache/apt/archives/ [07:20] <Imsdle> ok [07:21] <deltab> Imsdle: dpkg -r then dpkg -i, I think [07:21] <Imsdle> thanks [07:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> does bittorrent have the potential to be used like limewire? where you don't have to create some seed file, post it on some site, etc? [07:22] <h08817> djcheezecake, back [07:23] <Imsdle> how do u share a dailup internet connection in ubuntu [07:23] <jasmuz> BROKEN_LADDER: bittorent is made for swapping BIG files [07:24] <jasmuz> Imsdle: what are you trying to share? [07:24] <jasmuz> Imsdle: internet via what do you want to share it [07:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> jasmuz why would that make it bad for sharing small files? [07:25] <jasmuz> BROKEN_LADDER: i havent said its bad for small files, but it rocks on delivering a movie if you have a good speed [07:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> right, but it sucks to use it to just share files [07:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> don't you have to do all this complicated stuff, like create a seed file, post it to a web site, etc? [07:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> although i heard there is a trackerless version coming [07:27] <crimsun> newer azureus versions automate much of that. [07:28] <Imsdle> i want to be able to access the net from my network [07:29] <guardianx3> i dont understand this part of the tutorial... the code is (sudo smbpasswd -a `whoami`) the acc on my unbun is (movie) so i should replease the 'whoami' into 'movie' [07:29] <deltab> Imsdle: I don't know of a particularly convenient way to do that, but it's not hard to set up [07:29] <guardianx3> replace [07:30] <black13> what is the purpose of the Xsession script [07:30] <johnnybezak> hey guys i just plugged a web cam in, anyone know how i can tell if it's recognised like a lsusb or something [07:30] <Imsdle> oh ok.. [07:30] <jasmuz> johnnybezak: unplug it [07:30] <deltab> guardianx3: the grave accents around `whoami` tells the shell to execute the command whoami then replace the command by its output [07:31] <jasmuz> johnnybezak: open a terminal, type tail -f /var/log/messages , and plug it in now [07:31] <deltab> guardianx3: so if your username is guardianx the command will become sudo smbpasswd -a guardianx [07:32] <guardianx3> deltab - thank you [07:32] <cody_ubuntu> I have a problem, I need to use 32bit gcc on 64bit ubuntu [07:32] <cody_ubuntu> to compile my OS [07:33] <cody_ubuntu> using the 64bit gcc, my inline asm becomes worthless, and I don't feel like rewriting libc [07:33] <crimsun> cody_ubuntu: so build a 32-bit chroot and compile it there, then copy it over. [07:34] <cody_ubuntu> which would be done how? [07:34] <cody_ubuntu> I've only been using linux for about 9 months [07:34] <crimsun> search the wiki for debootstrap. [07:34] <cody_ubuntu> k [07:35] <crimsun> there's also good documentation on the Debian web site in the developers' guide [07:36] <guardianx3> delta do i type it in the shell promt? [07:37] <deltab> type what? [07:37] <spiral> hi [07:38] <spiral> how do I configure postfix to make it send mail from a particular username? I.e. username@domainname.com [07:38] <cody_ubuntu> crimsun, so what exactly does chroot do? [07:38] <crimsun> cody_ubuntu: see chroot(8) [07:39] <cody_ubuntu> nah, I'll just man chroot [07:39] <crimsun> that's what chroot(8) is. [07:39] <deltab> guardianx3: did you want to join a channel automatically in x-chat? [07:40] <deltab> spiral: send what mail? [07:40] <persia> Could someone please remind me where to report Universe bugs? [07:40] <crimsun> persia: malone. [07:40] <persia> crimsun: thanks [07:40] <crimsun> persia: (launchpad.net/malone) [07:43] <guardianx3> how do i install vlc into ubuntu?? [07:43] <Di42lo> i tried this too [07:43] <Di42lo> doesnt work :| [07:43] <Di42lo> i gets kind of error [07:43] <jasmuz> guardianx3: sudo apt-get install vlc [07:44] <spiral> crimsun, new to postfix - apache is the user who will be sending the mail [07:44] <spiral> crimsun, or I think the user is www-data [07:45] <guardianx3> jasmus when i type in the command u told me i get this error msg = E: Couldn't find package vlc [07:45] <crimsun> spiral: you'll need to read the postfix docs. I'm not a MTA guru. [07:45] <crimsun> an MTA, rather. [07:46] <jasmuz> guardianx3: vlc - multimedia player for all audio and video formats [07:47] <jasmuz> guardianx3: do you have your Universe enabled? [07:47] <jason_> guardianx3, you need to enable the universe repository [07:47] <spiral> ok [07:47] <jason_> !tel guardianx3 about repositories [07:47] <ubotu> jason_: I give up, what is it? [07:47] <jason_> !tell guardianx3 about repositories [07:50] <bjweeks> hey! [07:51] <jasmuz> !ubotu repositories [07:51] <ubotu> from memory, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [07:52] <starfishy> anyone know what happened to xbase-clients on breezy? [07:52] <starfishy> it should contain xev but doesn't [07:55] <Ropy> does anyone know how to handle a tgz.gz file? [07:55] <Ropy> i.e. how to install it etc... [07:55] <joolz> does anyone know a gtkatalog substitute for hoary? preferrably one that imports gtkatalog db's [07:56] <joolz> ans will gtkatalog be back in breezy? [07:56] <starfishy> tgz.gz? [07:56] <joolz> and [07:56] <starfishy> id try to gunzip it and then tar xzf [07:56] <starfishy> but i suspect its just a misnomer for a .tar.gz or .tgz file [07:56] <starfishy> gzipping a gzipped archive is kinda pointless [07:57] <Ropy> why is that?> [07:58] <starfishy> because the gain in compression is just about zero by compressing a compressed file [07:58] <cafuego> the added meta info actually makes it larger :-) [07:59] <Ropy> k... well I just want to install what's contained within the file [07:59] <cafuego> Ropy: You're not adding home-compiled stuff to ubuntu, are you? [07:59] <Ropy> no no [08:00] <Ropy> dono how to compile just yet [08:00] <Ropy> why u ask? [08:00] <cafuego> Ropy: It's been a common theme this weekend. [08:00] <spiral> how do I send mail from the apache user (www-data@myhost.com) using a different username noreply@myhost.com using postfix? [08:00] <guardianx3> how do i install vlc into my new ubuntu [08:00] <cafuego> Ropy: You unpack the tarball using 'tar xfz foo.tar.gz' [08:01] <jasmuz> !ubotu repositories [08:01] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [08:01] <guardianx3> when i type sudo apt-get install vlc .. i get this error msg ( E: Couldn't find package vlc [08:01] <guardianx3> ) [08:01] <Madpilot> guardianx3: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [08:01] <guardianx3> i read it but i dont get it [08:01] <guardianx3> what do i do? [08:02] <djcheezecake> wow...theres alot of repository issues tonite... [08:02] <Madpilot> guardianx3: two of Ubuntu's repositories need to be enabled - Universe & Multiverse [08:02] <Syco54645> i love url filter for ipcop [08:02] <Syco54645> it rocks so much [08:02] <Syco54645> i just updated the black list [08:02] <Madpilot> guardianx3: the repos are where apt-get & Synaptic get the programs from [08:03] <Madpilot> djcheezecake: lots of repos issues all the time, really... [08:03] <djcheezecake> i can see that.. [08:04] <djcheezecake> sorry...was watchin tv at the same time...meant...i can believe that.. [08:05] <Chickenman> again [08:05] <Madpilot> djcheezecake: you might be interested in this: http://www.ubuntu.cc.com.au/pop.php [08:05] <ram_einstein> could someone suggest an automatic mass-jpeg resizer [08:06] <Madpilot> it's a list of all ubotu's entries, sorted by usage... [08:06] <ram_einstein> I want to resize some jpegs all of the same size to the same standard size, doing it one-by-one seems tedious [08:06] <hyphenated> ram_einstein: that's what 'convert' is for. it's an imagemagick program [08:07] <guardianx3> after i click the i check the * show disable software sorces* in the repos and then enter the command sudo apt-get install vlc .. i get this error msg ( E: Couldn't find package vlc [08:07] <djcheezecake> Madpilot: what is ubotu btw...is that a bot..? [08:07] <ram_einstein> hyphenated, imagemagik? [08:07] <Madpilot> !ubotu [08:07] <ubotu> somebody said ubotu was uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". [08:07] <hyphenated> ram_einstein: I use it for resizing digital camera photos with a script like: for i in *.jpg; do convert -resize 25% ${i} small/${i}; done [08:08] <Madpilot> guardianx3: see that URL I posted, it's got step-by-step instructions [08:08] <spiral> how do I send mail from the apache user (www-data@myhost.com) using a different username noreply@myhost.com using postfix? [08:08] <djcheezecake> !ubotu [08:08] <ubotu> I heard ubotu is uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". [08:08] <ram_einstein> hyphenated, convert doesn't seem to be installed [08:08] <djcheezecake> interesting! [08:08] <Madpilot> djcheezecake: ... and useful! ;) [08:08] <spiral> !ubotu add [08:08] <ubotu> I guess add is To add an item to me, type "ubotu <keyword> is <description description description>", without the carets [08:09] <hyphenated> dpkg -S $(which convert) => imagemagick: /usr/bin/convert [08:09] <guardianx3> madpilot - i followed the instruction and check the box . and so on. but it when i enter the get ap command for vlc it still say the same error [08:09] <hyphenated> ram_einstein: apt-get install imagemagick [08:09] <spiral> !ubotu postfix [08:09] <ubotu> spiral: Bugger all, i dunno [08:09] <ram_einstein> one sec hyphenated [08:09] <djcheezecake> so no references on ubuntuguide eh..? =P [08:09] <Madpilot> guardianx3: if you're already in Synaptic, use that, not apt-get [08:09] <Madpilot> guardianx3: you can't have Synaptic & apt-get running at the same time, they conflict [08:10] <guardianx3> so what do i type? i'm sorry i'm 2 hrs old in linux and ubuntu [08:10] <Gatton> !ubotu why does totem suck so much? ;) [08:10] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Gatton [08:10] <zaguar> i think [08:10] <Madpilot> guardianx3: don't type anything. Use Synaptic and just search for vlc [08:10] <zaguar> that it;s its lack of features [08:10] <zaguar> or use apt-get install gvlc [08:10] <zaguar> gvlc cause you use gnome [08:11] <Madpilot> zaguar: he's already got Syn running, might as well use that [08:11] <cafuego> !ping [08:11] <zaguar> Madpilot: kk - didn't see [08:11] <ubotu> Keep your fingers to yourself, cafuego. [08:11] <ram_einstein> thanks hyphenated, downloading imagemagick now [08:11] <zaguar> Madpilot: But he should get gvlc [08:11] <cafuego> that's better [08:11] <zaguar> Madpilot: not vlc cause it dosn't have gnome support IIRC [08:12] <Madpilot> zaguar: probably - I was just trying to sort his Synaptic issues out. I just use Totem for vid, it's a great app! ;) [08:12] <guardianx3> madpilot - i did a search for vlc and nothing show up [08:12] <guardianx3> in the synaptic [08:12] <Gatton> try wxvlc [08:12] <zaguar> Repositories? [08:12] <Madpilot> guardianx3: it's in there. you need to get your repositories sorted out. [08:12] <Madpilot> !info vlc [08:12] <zaguar> Do nano /etc/apt/sources.list [08:12] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB [08:12] <crimsun> zaguar: it does have gnome support. I compiled it with such. [08:13] <cafuego> !info libdvdcss2 [08:13] <Madpilot> zaguar: he's already running Syn, all the repo stuff can be done there... [08:13] <zaguar> True [08:13] <ram_einstein> hyphenated, instead of 25%, can I give a standard size in pixels? [08:13] <Madpilot> !info vlc [08:13] <zaguar> Madpilot: I'll shut up :( [08:13] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB [08:13] <Gatton> but old habits die hard. just used to editing sources.list [08:13] <hyphenated> ram_einstein: you can do whatever the man page tells you is possible [08:14] <guardianx3> honestly i jus dont see it ! do i have to download some package??? [08:14] <cafuego> !find libdvdcss2 [08:14] <Madpilot> zaguar: if you can advise about movie players, please do, but you're just confusing the issue WRT repos... [08:14] <Madpilot> guardianx3: hit the Reload button in Synaptic - that updates all your repo lists [08:14] <zaguar> Madpilot: Sorry mate [08:15] <cafuego> liar [08:15] <guardianx3> when i hit the reload only 22 file get update [08:15] <guardianx3> and there is no vlc to be found [08:15] <jasmuz> guardianx3: im going to give you a step by step guide, ok [08:16] <ram_einstein> thanks hyphenated [08:16] <Gatton> Madpilot, why not have him paste his sources.list somewhere so we can look at it? [08:16] <guardianx3> jasmuz- ok [08:17] <Madpilot> Gatton: was trying to do the CLI-free way, but evidently that isn't working! ;) want to walk guardianx3 thru that, please? [08:18] <Gatton> Madpilot, well I agree CLI is a good last resort. I assume he added repositories through Synaptic? If so just wondered if something got screwed up in the formatting or something. Although it shouldn't [08:19] <jasmuz> Gatton: im taking care of it [08:19] <Madpilot> Gatton: apparently he followed the wiki repos page, which is entirely based on Synaptic, so I'm not sure what's going wrong. [08:19] <Gatton> jasmuz, ok cool [08:19] <Madpilot> jasmuz: thanks [08:20] <guardianx3> k [08:20] <Gatton> Madpilot, oh ok. Yea because I get 23 packages when I search on vlc [08:20] <asd> how can i restore the mbr? [08:21] <zaguar> asd: what happened? [08:21] <asd> cloned a disk... [08:21] <starfishy> are you going to install a boot manager? [08:21] <asd> yes [08:21] <starfishy> if so, just install it and it will fix the problem [08:22] <asd> how? [08:22] <guardianx3> gatton - oh i get only 22 package when i hit the reload button [08:22] <starfishy> if you are installing lilo, edit lilo.conf, then run lilo [08:22] <guardianx3> maybe that is why i dont see the vlc package [08:22] <Gatton> guardianx3, and you get 0 when you search on vlc? [08:22] <starfishy> if you install grub, run grub-install [08:23] <asd> but i cant boot from the hd [08:23] <ram_einstein> what is the trash folder? how do I access it from console? [08:23] <guardianx3> gatton- yes i get o when i search for vlc [08:23] <Madpilot> Gatton: same here, and I just had a look at the wiki page, and it works [08:23] <asd> the mbr is broken [08:23] <guardianx3> do i have to reboot for the repos to take into effect? [08:24] <Gatton> nope [08:24] <Gatton> just reload should do the trick [08:24] <ram_einstein> what is the trash folder? how do I access it from console? [08:24] <spiral> how do I send mail from the apache user (www-data@myhost.com) using a different username noreply@myhost.com using postfix? [08:24] <fr500> hello [08:24] <holycow> sudo apt-get update after you add repos [08:24] <starfishy> boot from the CD and mount the hard disk partition as root [08:24] <Madpilot> guardianx3: only one thing in Linux requires a reboot, and adjusting repos isn't it! [08:24] <Gatton> hehe [08:24] <fr500> do you know where to find a working tutorial for active directory integration in ubuntu? [08:25] <PPC_Guy> could the age of a dvd drive effect detection? [08:25] <holycow> fr500, samba.org [08:26] <starfishy> not really, all dvd drives are either ATAPI or SCSI [08:26] <starfishy> if it is in working condition and the driver is available it should be detected fine [08:27] <zaguar> rameinstein: its /home/$user/.Trash [08:28] <sasyi_girls> hai [08:28] <zaguar> rameinstein: so go cd ~/.Trash [08:28] <fr500> thx holycow [08:28] <n8lewis> is there a way to run flash in ubuntu? [08:28] <Gatton> !ubotu flash [08:28] <ubotu> well, flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats [08:29] <PPC_Guy> I get the error " there is no plugin to play this movie" [08:29] <n8lewis> no I mean the flash editor [08:29] <n8lewis> like flash MX [08:29] <guardianx3> ok i got it working....... it was my fault i didnt read the end ... [08:29] <zaguar> PPC_Guy: What's the movie type? [08:29] <PPC_Guy> King of the Hill DVD [08:29] <guardianx3> i didnt check the universal thing [08:29] <Gatton> n8lewis, not sure. you could try running it under Wine maybe [08:29] <PPC_Guy> nothing special or fancy [08:29] <guardianx3> after i install vlc where is the program locate? how do i run it in gnome? [08:30] <zaguar> you got decss? [08:30] <PPC_Guy> talking to me zaguar? [08:30] <zaguar> yeah [08:30] <PPC_Guy> nope.. [08:30] <Gatton> guardianx3, mine is in Applications, Sound & Video [08:30] <PPC_Guy> root@shitbox:/home/cledusddp # apt-get install decss [08:30] <PPC_Guy> Reading package lists... Done [08:30] <PPC_Guy> Building dependency tree... Done [08:30] <PPC_Guy> E: Couldn't find package decss [08:31] <HrdwrBoB> libdvdcss2 [08:31] <Madpilot> PPC_Guy: I think you want libdvdcss2? [08:32] <PPC_Guy> root@shitbox:/home/cledusddp # apt-get install libdvdcss2 [08:32] <PPC_Guy> Reading package lists... Done [08:32] <PPC_Guy> Building dependency tree... Done [08:32] <PPC_Guy> Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. [08:32] <PPC_Guy> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or [08:32] <PPC_Guy> is only available from another source [08:32] <PPC_Guy> E: Package libdvdcss2 has no installation candidate [08:32] <PPC_Guy> soorry guys didn't mean to offend anyone [08:32] <Gatton> hehe [08:33] <Madpilot> PPC_Guy: it does exist. check your sources list/repos [08:33] <PPC_Guy> will do [08:33] <Madpilot> Gatton: whee, another repos question... ;) [08:33] <Gatton> i think i might have got all that stuff the nerim repos [08:33] <Gatton> Madpilot, that does seem to be the trend this evening :) [08:33] <zaguar> It's in marillat repos IIRC [08:33] <Madpilot> Gatton: it's in one of the regular Ubuntu repos - just a sec [08:33] <epicenter> I have a package that says it needs GTK+ 2.0, what package is this? libgtk-2.0-0 doesn't seem to do it.... [08:33] <epicenter> and I can't find anything called gtk+. [08:34] <Madpilot> it's in backports/extras [08:34] <crimsun> libgtk2.0-dev [08:34] <zaguar> epiccenter: if it clearlooks? [08:34] <zaguar> cause you need the dev package [08:34] <zaguar> for that [08:34] <linfreak> howdy [08:34] <Gatton> evening [08:35] <PPC_Guy> indeed [08:35] <epicenter> ahh [08:35] <linfreak> i think i've reached a new low [08:35] <highvoltage> hello [08:35] <linfreak> ello [08:35] <linfreak> i just bought an orkut invite off of ebay [08:36] <guardianx3> gatton- yay it is working [08:36] <zaguar> PPC_Guy: Install the Automated script at the UbuntuForums [08:36] <crimsun> ubuntu-offtopic, please, linfreak. [08:36] <Gatton> guardianx3, glad to hear it :) [08:36] <guardianx3> horray [08:36] <guardianx3> 1st time installing something in linux [08:36] <zaguar> PPC_Guy: wget http://download.ubuntuforums.org/ubuntusetup/ubuntusetup.sh [08:36] <Gatton> guardianx3, i promise things usually go smoother ;) [08:36] <Madpilot> guardianx3: it gets easier from now on! [08:36] <Gatton> although there are always speed bumps [08:36] <zaguar> PPC_Guy: then sudo sh ubuntusetup.sh [08:36] <Gatton> the hardest part is getting everything working the first time. from then on it's pretty smooth sailing [08:37] <Gatton> until you decide to buy a wireless card or something ;) [08:37] <Gatton> Or try to get your Minolta printer to work :( [08:37] <Madpilot> Gatton: ah, wireless! if the gods had intended for linux users to use wireless, they wouldn't have invented Cat5 cable! ;) [08:38] <guardianx3> my next question is....... i have a ti 200 nvdia card with tv out... how do i switch it to tv?? [08:38] <Gatton> Madpilot, agreed. I am staying wired for the forseeable future [08:38] <guardianx3> on my winxp box i set it so when ever i press alt+1 it would switch to the tv.. and then switch back to monitor [08:38] <barkley> Totem could not startup: resource is not available: what's that deal again? [08:39] <Madpilot> guardianx3: do you have video drivers installed yet? [08:39] <Linux_Man> If there is any other repositories lost soul out there, query me....so i can give you the same step by step guide [08:39] <Madpilot> !nvidia [08:39] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia [08:40] <Gatton> But if that's a special functionality of the Windows driver hmmmm [08:40] <barkley> do i need to change totem to oss or esd or what? [08:40] <Gatton> guardianx3, did you have to assign that hot key? or that was the default? [08:40] <barkley> with that resource busy problem [08:41] <logical_mark> Hey guys I am following instructions I foind online to mount an NFS partiotion and they are having me modify the /etc/fstab file, but it keep opening as read only. How do I open it under root? [08:41] <LlukaX> hi does anyone know how to get a usb wireless connection to work in ubuntu? [08:41] <Madpilot> logical_mark: add "sudo" to the front of whatever command line you're using [08:41] <barkley> so what's up with totem? [08:42] <hyphenated> logical_mark: sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.orig; sudo youreditor /etc/fstab [08:42] <Gatton> logical_mark, what he said. and remember to use your password [08:42] <barkley> the device resource busy business [08:43] <LlukaX> also it freezes at bootup " loading hotplug subsystem",i have to control c out [08:43] <znh> Hmmm, when Iam trying to play Enemy-Territory, it gives a input/output error while trying to nmap /dev/dsp - with XMMS it works fine [08:44] <glick> is enemy territory a game for linux? [08:44] <znh> yes, it's native [08:45] <Tomcat_> glick: It's cross platform [08:45] <glick> Tomcat_, a free game? [08:45] <Tomcat_> glick: Yes, free. [08:45] <glick> hmm ima check it out [08:45] <glick> there a website? [08:45] <Madpilot> glick: there's something in the Ubuntu wiki about it [08:45] <znh> glick: learn how to google ! [08:45] <jasmuz> im out [08:45] <jasmuz> take care guys [08:46] <znh> so doesn't anyone know [08:46] <logical_mark> GOD I AM LOVING THIS LINUX SHIT! [08:46] <barkley> Totem could not startup: resource is not available: what's that deal again? [08:46] <glick> wow [08:46] <glick> how can that be open source? [08:46] <logical_mark> I just got into linux and ubuntu was a huge help with getting past all the hardware troubles [08:46] <znh> glick: It is not [08:46] <n8lewis> Yeah linux rox [08:46] <Madpilot> glick: not sure it's open, but the US Army is giving it away... [08:46] <starfishy> hehehe [08:46] <Tomcat_> ET is not OS? [08:46] <parabolize> logical_mark, cool [08:47] <starfishy> my first linux was kernel 0.98pl5 [08:47] <glick> it says this on the site [08:47] <glick> Get Started and Download For Free (Open Source) [08:47] <znh> Tomcat_: there are binary's for linux, it isn't opensource - woulden't be safe anyway [08:47] <starfishy> downloaded 10 floppy disks :) [08:47] <LlukaX> anyone have a similar problem with hotplug? [08:47] <glick> haha you have to register to play the game? [08:47] <Tomcat_> znh: Well there are ways to stop cheaters and be open source... but it's harder. :P [08:47] <Madpilot> glick: isn't ET online only [08:47] <Madpilot> ? [08:48] <znh> Madpilot: no, you can also play it on LAN :P [08:48] <freddy> yay! [08:48] <Tomcat_> Madpilot: Playing it alone is possible but pointless. :) [08:48] <glick> haha i bet the game secretly sends your scores to the army and those with the best scores get put on the first draft list [08:48] <Madpilot> OK, multi-player only, then... [08:48] <glick> im very weary of anything the army gives away for free [08:48] <Tomcat_> What does ET have to do with the army? :o [08:48] <barkley> so where's the totem page in ubuntuguide? [08:48] <parabolize> LlukaX, whats the nic? [08:48] <Madpilot> glick: that's America's Army, not ET - I was mistaken [08:48] <glick> ah [08:48] <glick> who makes ET [08:48] <LlukaX> no card [08:48] <LlukaX> its a usb [08:49] <parabolize> ya [08:49] <Tomcat_> ET is a game of id Software/Activision/Splashdamage, it doesn't have anything to do with the army. [08:49] <LlukaX> D-Link G-120 [08:49] <LlukaX> ack [08:49] <glick> and id made it open source? [08:49] <LlukaX> DWL-G120 [08:49] <barkley> q3 is not open source yet [08:49] <parabolize> looking up now [08:50] <barkley> but somehow the GPL zealots don't bust Id or Epic [08:50] <barkley> typical groupthink [08:50] <guardianx3> after i install the nvidia driver in ubunto how do i switch it to the tv? [08:50] <Madpilot> barkley: Id will open-source q3 when they release q4, I assume. q2 *is* open now [08:50] <stjepan> heya [08:51] <stjepan> I installed ubuntu [08:51] <stjepan> where is grub config file? [08:51] <fr500> /boot/grub? [08:51] <barkley> Madpilot, q3 gets opened up when the last licensor gets to a certain point of development [08:51] <guardianx3> how do i switch from monitor view to tv-out ? [08:51] <glick> the game looks freakin amazing [08:51] <parabolize> LlukaX, well its not on the list at http://linux_wless.passys.nl but im still looking [08:51] <fr500> what game? [08:51] <glick> ET [08:51] <barkley> Madpilot, how come the rabid gpl zealots don't demand that id or epic open up their engines from the beginning? [08:51] <fr500> ET? [08:51] <barkley> what is ET? [08:52] <glick> Enemy Territory [08:52] <fr500> the one based on wolf? [08:52] <fr500> ok [08:52] <barkley> it's not an open engine [08:52] <glick> its open source right? [08:52] <linfreak> how do i enable permissions to write and modify on a selected folder? [08:52] <barkley> it's on q3 [08:52] <Madpilot> barkley: because they've got better things to do? [08:52] <barkley> no [08:52] <barkley> ET is based off of q3 which is not open source [08:52] <starfishy> linfreak: chmod [08:52] <stjepan> fr500: /boot/grub is a directory [08:52] <glick> barkley, but on the webstire look what it says where you download [08:52] <glick> it says Get Started and Download For Free (Open Source) [08:52] <fr500> stjepan, inside there, menu.lst i think [08:52] <starfishy> stjepan: /boot/grub/menu.lst [08:53] <fr500> glick,, free and open source are diferent [08:53] <Madpilot> cool game based on q2: http://www.ufoai.net/ <-- it runs in Ubuntu, too [08:53] <barkley> wait a minute. what engine is enemy terrirotry based on? [08:53] <glick> fr500, no it says "(open source)" [08:53] <fr500> q3 i think, wolf 3d return to the castle [08:53] <fr500> glick, ok [08:53] <barkley> fr500, yes [08:53] <barkley> and q3 is not open source yet [08:53] <fr500> i know [08:54] <barkley> so anybody know the answer to the classic totem problem of resource device busy or whatever [08:54] <guardianx3> how do i make vlc be the default movie player instead of the totem ??? [08:55] <barkley> god knows i should just stick to ubuntu and stop dicking around with these other distros [08:55] <guardianx3> agree with barkley [08:55] <stjepan> fr500, starfishy: tnx [08:55] <fr500> guardianx3, for each file type select open with or something, there is a way to select [08:55] <ram_einstein> how do I rename *.JPG to *.jpg? [08:55] <ram_einstein> rename *.JPG *.jpg doesn't work [08:55] <barkley> where is the wiki page for totem? [08:55] <highvoltage> ram_einstein: mv [08:56] <barkley> we've all had this problem [08:56] <barkley> or a lot of this [08:56] <parabolize> LlukaX, looks like you need to use ndiswraper. link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto [08:56] <ram_einstein> ah thanks highvoltage [08:56] <barkley> godamn linux and the sound problems forever and forever [08:56] <LlukaX> ok [08:56] <ram_einstein> uh, highvoltage, how do I use it? [08:56] <guardianx3> fr500 when i try that i get an error msg saying coult not add application [08:56] <ram_einstein> mv *.JPG *.jpg doesn't work [08:57] <jtgameover> ram_einstein, [08:57] <stjepan> I use ndiswrapper [08:57] <crimsun> barkley: are you using esd? [08:57] <stjepan> it is great [08:57] <jtgameover> you have to write a script [08:57] <jtgameover> or [08:57] <Madpilot> barkley: apparently Breezy is going to have way better sound mngt [08:57] <stjepan> ok [08:57] <jtgameover> do a one liner [08:57] <stjepan> tnx guys [08:57] <stjepan> see you [08:57] <barkley> crimsun, i think that's the fscking problem. and i'm pissed [08:57] <fr500> guardianx3, works for me, are u sure u typed the command the way it is? [08:57] <ram_einstein> jtgameover, a one liner then [08:57] <jtgameover> for filename in *.JPG; do mv $filename.JPG $filename.jpg [08:57] <barkley> Madpilot, i'm in breezy. i should write this shit down when i change distros [08:57] <crimsun> barkley: calm down and ask the question intelligently. I can't read your mind. [08:57] <barkley> crimsum: i think it's the esd problem [08:57] <jtgameover> ram_einstein, that may be wrong actually [08:58] <barkley> resource buys or not available [08:58] <ram_einstein> um, it comes up with a prompt jtgameover [08:58] <guardianx3> fr500 what do u type ? i did it via gnome........ right click the file properties and so on [08:58] <fr500> guardianx3, did you select open with? [08:58] <linfreak> i can't figure out what to type after chmod in the terminal to enable the writes to write and modify [08:58] <crimsun> barkley: then you need to confirm it's the esd problem first. What is System> Preferences> Multimedia Systems Selector> Default Sink configured as? [08:58] <barkley> linux still has to get over this also transition hurdle [08:58] <LlukaX> ok [08:58] <jtgameover> ram_einstein, gimme a sec [08:58] <barkley> crimsun, let me check. thanks for the help brother [08:58] <glick> damn i registered for it and its taking forever to get my damn confirmation email [08:58] <glick> wtf [08:58] <fr500> linfreak, chmod xxx filename [08:58] <ram_einstein> I modified it to for filename in *.JPG; do mv $filename.JPG $filename.jpg; done [08:58] <ram_einstein> but it still doesn't work jtgameover [08:59] <linfreak> what if it's a directory? [08:59] <fr500> xxx=permissions for user, group, other i think [08:59] <fr500> x's are octal numbres [08:59] <ram_einstein> linfreak, chmod -R dirname [08:59] <jtgameover> ram_einstein, yeah you gotta use basename [08:59] <jtgameover> i am trying it out myself first [08:59] <jtgameover> so i can tell you the right thing [08:59] <guardianx3> fr500- i right click on the avi file and slelect " open with other app" [08:59] <ram_einstein> okay jtgameover [08:59] <barkley> crimsun, ok, we're making progress brother. multi-media selector just locked up on me on the source input [08:59] <fr500> ok [08:59] <fr500> then there select other i think, i'm on windows now [09:00] <guardianx3> then a list of app appear and i scroll down to vlc . and click add. then i get "couldnt add app " [09:00] <fr500> and there you type the command for the app you want [09:00] <fr500> guardianx3, oh, no clue then [09:00] <crimsun> barkley: Default Source is irrelevant. Default Sink is what we're concerned with. [09:00] <barkley> crimsun, ok, default source isn't giving me sounds [09:00] <fr500> well gotta hit the track with the vette tomorrow, so i'm out [09:00] <ram_einstein> linfreak, chmod *** -R dirname [09:00] <barkley> crimsum: the alsa sink did give me sound [09:00] <guardianx3> how do i use the tv-out option in my nvidia card with ubuntu ?? [09:00] <spiral> how do I send mail from the apache user (www-data@myhost.com) using a different username noreply@myhost.com using postfix? [09:01] <holycow> http://devsec.sourceforge.net/ <-- neato [09:01] <crimsun> barkley: Do other gstreamer applications, such as Rhythmbox (Music Player), work? [09:01] <ram_einstein> jtgameover? [09:01] <Poromies> hi all, anyone know any good 64bit games? just got my 3d-accel working :) [09:01] <fr500> linfreak, you combine this values for the *s, 4 2 or 1, 4 for read access, 2 for write and 1 for access i think, so for everyones access you type chmod -R 777 dir [09:01] <barkley> crimsun, default sink of also is giving me sound [09:01] <glick> can i install ET so its a local user install and not a root install? [09:01] <jtgameover> hmm yeah [09:01] <barkley> alsa [09:01] <jtgameover> ram_einstein, are you familiar with a shell script [09:02] <fr500> i don't advise 777 tho [09:02] <jtgameover> i am not good with these one-liners to do directly into a terminal [09:02] <fr500> jtgameover, what u wanna do? [09:02] <linfreak> fr500; and this will allow my non sudo user to write? [09:02] <jtgameover> fr500, he wants to rename all .JPG to .jpg [09:03] <fr500> hmm, you want an script to rename, say all the files in one dir? [09:03] <barkley> crimsun, geez dude, how do i just play a .mp3. i've got multiverse and i think i imported the gstreamer plugin. rhythmbox is so freaking weird. i just want to play a damn .mp3 [09:03] <barkley> crimsun, i don't want to "import" [09:03] <fr500> linfreak, 777 yes [09:03] <barkley> linux has such a ways to go in sound [09:03] <ram_einstein> jtgameover, I'll try [09:03] <barkley> i've been programming on linux for 8 years professionaly, and sound is still a mess [09:04] <jtgameover> ram_einstein, try what? [09:04] <jtgameover> are you familiar with shell scripts? [09:04] <fr500> i have sone scripts to load files with static routes execute command, do you want it, same principle should apply, just change the actual commands [09:04] <ram_einstein> no jtgameover [09:04] <crimsun> barkley: have you used gst-launch-0.8 to test the alsasink with an mp3? [09:04] <guardianx3> which one do i download to install into my system so i can use the tv-out http://sourceforge.net/projects/nv-tv-out/ [09:05] <fr500> ie: instead of ip route add you would put rename [09:05] <linfreak> thanks [09:05] <fr500> linfreak, you need to use sudo previous to chmod [09:05] <fr500> bye everyone [09:05] <cafuego_> barkley: It not Linux; there are other distros that happily include mp3 and dvd libs by default. [09:05] <ram_einstein> damn jtgameover, I messed up my filenames bigtime experimenting [09:06] <glick> i dont get it when i click on download, it opens up the file in the browser, when i right click on et-linux-2.60 and choose save as, it tries to save the php re-direct file [09:06] <glick> wtf how the hell do you download it [09:06] <jtgameover> ram_einstein, what'd you do [09:06] <Xyc0> barkley: it is easy enough to install the pluins [09:06] <jtgameover> i can't help you undo it.... [09:06] <ram_einstein> jtgameover, it's okay [09:06] <ram_einstein> you tried to help atleast [09:06] <cafuego_> glick: it probably tries to save et-2.60 as a file CALLED redirect.php [09:06] <jtgameover> ram_einstein, one sec [09:07] <barkley> crimsun, let me check that out in synaptic. thanks for your help brother [09:07] <glick> cafuego, modules.php [09:07] <jtgameover> for filename in *.png; do name=`basename $filename .png`; mv $filename $name.PNG; done [09:07] <jtgameover> ram_einstein, it's something along those lines [09:07] <f_newton> ram_einstein, if you need to reinstall [09:07] <f_newton> and try to read before acting [09:07] <barkley> ERROR: pipeline could not be constructed: empty pipeline not allowed. [09:08] <cafuego_> for file in *.png; do mv $file $(basename $file .png).PNG; done [09:08] <f_newton> save all them weird named jpgs to a cdrom [09:08] <crimsun> barkley: what syntax are you using? [09:08] <f_newton> wipe n reinstall [09:08] <glick> cafuego, have you played the game? [09:08] <ram_einstein> okay jtgameover thanks [09:08] <barkley> crimsun, nothing passed to the commandline [09:08] <Xyc0> What is the dev channel for ubuntu? [09:08] <ram_einstein> what f_newton ? [09:09] <crimsun> Xyc0: -devel [09:09] <barkley> Xyc0, i installed all the plugins. that's not the problems [09:09] <crimsun> barkley: you need to use the correct parameters [09:09] <jtgameover> ram_einstein, cafuego just gave you the answer [09:09] <f_newton> ram_einstein, if you screwed up your filenames reinstall [09:09] <barkley> crimsun, k [09:09] <jtgameover> i was forgetting to do $( ) [09:09] <Xyc0> crimsun: thnx [09:09] <f_newton> its probably easier [09:09] <crimsun> barkley: for instance, I'm testing successfully with: gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location=/mnt/Documents\ and\ Settings/Administrator/My\ Documents/My\ Music/Lynne\ Arriale/Live\ At\ Montreux/01\ -\ Alone\ Together.flac ! spider ! alsasink [09:09] <f_newton> but back up all those jpgs first [09:10] <ram_einstein> done f_newton [09:10] <barkley> crimsum: so i can just pass a directory with mp3s to it? [09:10] <f_newton> try to read a little about the os you use too [09:10] <f_newton> it does come in handy [09:10] <jtgameover> cafuego, actually that doesn't work [09:10] <crimsun> barkley: pass a specific mp3 to it. [09:10] <barkley> k [09:10] <jtgameover> it still complains about the basename [09:10] <ram_einstein> how do you rip just the filename from it's full name with extension? [09:10] <jtgameover> and too many arguments [09:10] <f_newton> I dont [09:10] <ram_einstein> jtgameover, the problem is to rip just the name of the file [09:10] <f_newton> all that is way too much work [09:10] <jtgameover> which doesn't make sense because when you do a simple "basename file.png .png" it works fine [09:10] <barkley> ** (process:24226): WARNING **: error: syntax error, unexpected $end, expecting LINK [09:10] <barkley> ERROR: pipeline could not be constructed: Unrecoverable syntax error while parsing pipeline lugradio-s02e22-010805-low.ogg [09:11] <glick> can my shit handle ET? [09:11] <jtgameover> ram_einstein, yeah, this would work in a shell script [09:11] <f_newton> I actually use my os as a work os [09:11] <f_newton> lol [09:11] <jtgameover> ram_einstein, you just don't wnat to do any "mv" until you're sure [09:11] <jtgameover> that you have things right [09:11] <ram_einstein> jtgameover, fine, shell script thet [09:11] <crimsun> barkley: what precise syntax are you using? [09:11] <barkley> crimsun, hold on [09:11] <crimsun> brb, restarting X Window System [09:12] <barkley> chris@lilbuntu:~$ gst-launch filesrc location=/home/chris/lugradio-s02e22-010805-low.ogg [09:12] <barkley> RUNNING pipeline ... [09:12] <barkley> Execution ended after 1 iterations (sum 24000 ns, average 24000 ns, min 24000 ns, max 24000 ns). [09:12] <barkley> chris@lilbuntu:~$ [09:13] <guardianx3> is there a way to enable the tv-out option on my nvida card so i cn watch movies on the tv??? [09:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> !java [09:13] <ubotu> well, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added. [09:13] <Xyc0> guardianx3: nvtv is a nice program for that [09:14] <Xyc0> guardianx3: look for it in synaptic to see if you can install it from there [09:14] <logical_mark> hey guys quick question from a newb - How do I login to ubuntu as the root user. I have tried at the login screen typing root and then the password but it tells me the username or password is wrong which I knwo it is not [09:14] <Xyc0> logical_mark: you need to change the roots password [09:15] <Xyc0> logical_mark: it is randomly generated at install [09:15] <logical_mark> Xyc thanks. How do I do that? [09:15] <Xyc0> System > Admin > Users [09:15] <crimsun> barkley: read the syntax I used carefully. [09:16] <Xyc0> logical_mark: you have to "show all users and groups" [09:16] <barkley> crimsun, got rhythmbox to work [09:16] <logical_mark> found it thanks [09:16] <guardianx3> xyc0 after i install the nvtv how do i access it?? [09:16] <logical_mark> later [09:16] <crimsun> barkley: now test with Totem [09:16] <spiral> has anyone installed postfix on ubuntu? [09:17] <Burgundavia> spiral, already installed by default [09:17] <Xyc0> guardianx3: pretty sure it is nvtv in terminal [09:17] <Burgundavia> Xyc0, actually, root is locked, no password at all [09:17] <barkley> crimsun, nahh. totem dies as usual [09:17] <spiral> Burgundavia, it does not seem to be working for me with php [09:17] <barkley> crimsun, but thanks for your help [09:18] <barkley> crimsun [09:18] <Xyc0> Burgundavia: you sure? I could have sworn it was random numbers [09:18] <Burgundavia> spiral, it is locked to only listen to the localhost and only deliver to the admin email [09:19] <spiral> Burgundavia, I want php/apache to use it to send email...what direction should I take? [09:20] <Burgundavia> spiral, there are some nice postfix docs on the web. Let me see if I can dig one up for you [09:20] <glick> anyone here play ET? [09:20] <spiral> Burgundavia thanks, that would be great [09:20] <Burgundavia> spiral, http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html [09:20] <cafuego_> Xyc0: it is not randomly generated, it is set to "disable login". [09:21] <cafuego_> spiral: You cnn just use mail() as documented in php after you install and set up postfix. [09:21] <Xyc0> cafuego_: I know that you have to allow login through gdm, but I am talking about the password itself. [09:21] <holycow> heh, heres a fun command for all of you that have nvidia / ati drivers properly installed with 3d acceleration: sudo apt-get install scorched3d [09:21] <cafuego_> Xyc0: yes, the password field is set to "x", which means "no logins allowed". [09:22] <holycow> -_- [09:22] <ilba7r> when i run evolution edit>prefrences the window is outside the visible area in my desktop is that normal? [09:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmmm somethings not right here >.< [09:22] <Madpilot> holycow: already did that, it's a great app! [09:23] <cafuego_> holycow: broken on breezy :-) [09:23] <spiral> cafuego, I have installed it, but it is not working... and I am using tha mail() function in phyp [09:23] <holycow> not here :) [09:23] <holycow> oh breezy, haaha! [09:23] <holycow> indeedy :) [09:23] <cafuego_> spiral: Does /usr/lib/sendmail exist? [09:23] <Burgundavia> holycow, it is very sad. I cannot blow my brother up (he is still sanely running hoary) [09:24] <f_newton> ilba7r, yes it is.... maximize it and it will fit in your window [09:24] <cafuego_> and nvidia seems to be not workign as of 2.6.13 :-) [09:24] <holycow> hehe :) just found it, we need a gamers page on the ubuntu website [09:24] <Xyc0> big game [09:24] <f_newton> hey I play freecell [09:24] <Burgundavia> holycow, feel free to start one [09:24] <Amaranth> cafuego: Why must you run custom kernels? It makes me sad. :( [09:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm i followed the java howto and how to add universe repos from that page i clicked reload and searched for "sun-j2re1.5 " but nothing shows what did i do wrong? [09:24] <cafuego_> !find libwxgtk2.4 [09:24] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'libwxgtk2.4' (6 shown): libwxgtk2.4 ;; libwxgtk2.4-contrib ;; libwxgtk2.4-contrib-dev ;; libwxgtk2.4-dbg ;; libwxgtk2.4-dev ;; libwxgtk2.4-python. [09:24] <ilba7r> f_newton is there any way we can fix that [09:25] <Burgundavia> ChurcH_of_FoamY, you need hoary-extras [09:25] <holycow> Burgundavia, *smack* i forget its a wiki, righto [09:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ohhhhh [09:25] <Madpilot> holycow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryGames [09:25] <f_newton> Amaranth, Thats a shame because that is one of the best ways to learn [09:25] <f_newton> and learning is just as important as accepting [09:25] <Amaranth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Someone fscked up the Java wiki page so now the only way to get Java cleanly is to get it illegally. [09:25] <Burgundavia> holycow, UbuntuGaming sounds good [09:25] <spiral> cafuego - yes /usr/lib/sendmail exists, and so does /usr/sbin/sendmail [09:25] <cafuego_> illegally? [09:25] <holycow> ah there is a category, neat, thx Maddy [09:25] <holycow> Madpilot, even [09:26] <cafuego_> spiral: Is there anything logged in /var/log/mail.log after calling mail() ? [09:26] <spiral> cafuego [09:26] <Burgundavia> holycow, link to the category for a full listing [09:26] <Amaranth> cafuego_: Yeah, there is a reason Ubuntu doesn't ship Sun Java [09:26] <Madpilot> holycow: np ;) [09:26] <Burgundavia> holycow, but a page is not a category and vice versa [09:26] <Amaranth> cafuego_: It's illegal to do so. [09:26] <f_newton> ilba7r, its been that way for many moons [09:26] <holycow> Burgundavia, good point [09:26] <cafuego_> Amaranth: Yes, but downloading and converting isn't illegal, is it? [09:26] <Amaranth> no [09:26] <Burgundavia> cafuego, you cannot redistribute it [09:26] <Amaranth> but the wiki doesn't show you how to do that anymore [09:26] <f_newton> try the sun site [09:26] <spiral> cafuego - how do I have installed postfix, but do I need to compile something? [09:27] <Burgundavia> cafuego, if you could, it would be in multiverse [09:27] <ilba7r> f_newton lol i know i got rid of that problem by changing the font setting the problem i forgot how thanx for your help though [09:27] <cafuego_> Amaranth: Not that hard to make the wiki say "install java-package and read the docs" [09:27] <Amaranth> The wiki just shows you how to add hoary-extras to your sources.list, which is less than useless unless you don't care about these 'law' things. [09:27] <f_newton> ilba7r, changing the font setting changed the window size? [09:28] <Burgundavia> cafuego, the java page used to go into how to create your own java package [09:28] <cafuego_> Ok, they removed it in favour of extras? [09:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm ok i enabled all my repos except backports and still nothing >.< [09:28] <Burgundavia> cafuego, but either a bug or my own stupidity killed it [09:28] <Burgundavia> cafuego, the old page that is [09:28] <ilba7r> f_newton instead of the default 96dpi i changed it to about 75dpi where every thing was smaller and better for my laptop [09:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it just dosen't show up in synaptic >.< [09:28] <cafuego_> Burgundavia: Hmm, tasty back-ups ;-) [09:28] <Burgundavia> ChurcH_of_FoamY, see wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto [09:28] <Burgundavia> ChurcH_of_FoamY, see hoary-extras [09:28] <glick> how is enemy territory? [09:29] <Lhea> awesome :p [09:29] <logical_mark> Hey guys. I just used Synaptic Package Manager to install Pure-FTP Server. I restarted gnome-panel but I still cant find the launcher for the program [09:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes and i enabled them as well [09:29] <Burgundavia> logical_mark, it may not have it [09:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> useing the howto guide [09:29] <Burgundavia> logical_mark, some programs don't [09:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i also get a whole bunch of errors as well [09:29] <PenguinOfDoom> Is it possible to downgrade a Debian unstable libc to the Ubuntu package without uninstalling every single package on the system? [09:29] <f_newton> kewl I just repaired a laptop key [09:29] <logical_mark> Burg, how do I control it then? [09:30] <Burgundavia> logical_mark, if it is a server, it is a probably a command-line thing [09:30] <logical_mark> I am new to linux so for now is there a less advanced FTP server I could use a GUI w [09:30] <logical_mark> ? [09:30] <cafuego_> holycow: Ahaa! 32bit hoary chroot to teh rescue ;-) [09:30] <Burgundavia> PenguinOfDoom, probably not [09:30] <f_newton> let me see gftp is not a server [09:31] <holycow> cafuego, you clever bastard you :) [09:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> You Will Feel My Squrelly Rath >.< [09:31] <f_newton> cant remember what the ftp server is in linux [09:31] <ilba7r> vsftp is good server [09:31] <Burgundavia> logical_mark, you need an ftp server or client? [09:31] <ilba7r> also pftpd [09:31] <f_newton> thats it [09:31] <f_newton> ! [09:31] <ubotu> f_newton: No idea [09:31] <cafuego_> holycow: Still need to boot back into old kernel so 'nvidia' actually works [09:31] <Madpilot> f_newton: no, gFTP is a pile of <censored>... [09:31] <logical_mark> server Burg [09:31] <f_newton> duh forgot about the bot [09:31] <Burgundavia> logical_mark, most servers on linux do not have guis for very good reasons [09:31] <f_newton> well Madpilot there are about as many opinions about linux apps as there are apps [09:32] <spiral> cafuego - how do I have installed postfix, but do I need to compile something? [09:32] <logical_mark> Burg, in that case which one would you reccomend me? [09:32] <cafuego_> mainly because linux servers don't have GUIs, unless they happen to run Fedora [09:32] <Burgundavia> spiral, you have already got postfix installed, you just need to tweak the configuration [09:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok i have all of my repos enabled and updated universe , multivers and restricted what gives? [09:32] <ilba7r> logical_mark if it is for lan better use ssh its more secure [09:32] <Burgundavia> logical_mark, no idea, I have never set up a ftp server [09:32] <Xyc0> cafuego_: red hat enterprise you mean? [09:32] <Madpilot> f_newton: true, but gFTP is the least usable GUI FTP client I've ever seen... [09:32] <ilba7r> if you worry about security then vsftp [09:32] <spiral> ok [09:32] <f_newton> well I dont use any of them so... a lot I would know eh? [09:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> work damnnit [09:32] <Burgundavia> ChurcH_of_FoamY, if you have enabled hoary-extras, do a search for name and description, java [09:33] <cafuego_> spiral: run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix" and answer its questions ... if you need a relay server etc, put those in. [09:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk [09:33] <f_newton> ChurcH_of_FoamY, you sound like my boss [09:33] <cafuego_> Xyc0: Sorry, i just went blind when you said something... [09:33] <spiral> Burgundavia - but I am trying to configure it...it is not working [09:33] <Raskall> any suggestions of how I can type norwegian characters in breezy? [09:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_o [09:33] <f_newton> hoary extras has to be installed doesnt it? [09:33] <Burgundavia> Raskall, wait until the keyboard fixes hit [09:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no relation to your boss i'm actually better looking and not mean ^_^ [09:33] <Burgundavia> f_newton, yes [09:33] <Raskall> Burgundavia: what do you mean? [09:33] <Xyc0> cafuego_: meaning you want me to repeat it or Red Hat makes you blind? [09:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh yea I'm not a moron either lol [09:34] <cafuego_> AIYEE!!!! [09:34] <cafuego_> Amaranth: make him stop! [09:34] <Burgundavia> Raskall, currently non-english keyboards are totally borked [09:34] <Amaranth> ? [09:34] <Raskall> Burgundavia: ok. [09:34] <logical_mark> ilba7r, my friends and I rip DVDs and then when we meet up every week we use FTP to transfer them to each other. They use a windows ftp client so I dont want them to have to run another program just for me [09:34] <Xyc0> he he he [09:34] <Raskall> Burgundavia: nice to know it's not my fault. [09:34] <ronybeck> Hi all [09:34] <Xyc0> Fedora is a type of Hat [09:34] <Burgundavia> logical_mark, why not just use sharing? [09:34] <Burgundavia> Raskall, yes [09:34] <Xyc0> Fedoras can be red too [09:35] <cafuego_> Amaranth: </jk> [09:35] <ronybeck> Has any one here got Ubuntu installed on a laptop with the Intel 915 chipset? [09:35] <Amaranth> cafuego_: I'm not. [09:35] <ilba7r> logical_mark they can install filezilla it support ssh and has a really good GUI [09:35] <ronybeck> I can't get the isntaller to work [09:35] <logical_mark> burgundavia, my friends think that pulling it from a shared folder is slower than FTP, which on windows it is [09:35] <Burgundavia> logical_mark, shouldn't be [09:35] <f_newton> what is the error msg ronybeck ? [09:35] <ilba7r> other wise look at ubuntu guide.org they show you how to set proftp there [09:36] <Burgundavia> ilba7r, please don't recommend the ubuntuguide [09:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok a big ol list of java stuf popd up which one do i actually want? [09:36] <ronybeck> f_newton, It seems to lock up on starting PCMCIA services or when it tries to detect the network card [09:36] <ilba7r> burgundavia why? its really good [09:36] <f_newton> ah [09:36] <Xyc0> !ubuntuguide [09:36] <gorilla_> !ubuntuguide [09:36] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is probably a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why. [09:36] <logical_mark> Burgundavia, also why? I have heard a lot od people say not to reccomend it but dont knwo why [09:36] <f_newton> is it one of those onboard intel thingys? [09:36] <gorilla_> Xyc0, :-) [09:37] <ilba7r> ok ubotu will check it out [09:37] <Burgundavia> logical_mark, see the above statement by ubotu [09:37] <ronybeck> f_newton, yep. [09:37] <tonii> where can I find the kernel source for Ubuntu? I need it for the nvidia driver. :) [09:37] <f_newton> itw2200 or something? [09:37] <logical_mark> Burgundavia, that is true. I have found that I am always asking myself why it is having me do what i am doing [09:37] <logical_mark> I would rather it teach me than tell me [09:37] <Burgundavia> tonii, why not simply install the nvidia driver from the repos? [09:37] <crimsun> tonii: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto [09:37] <ronybeck> f_newton, 1925abg [09:37] <tonii> Burgundavia: didn't know there was such option? [09:37] <tonii> first time i try Ubuntu [09:38] <f_newton> uh the source code better come with the os install [09:38] <ronybeck> f_newton, 2915abg sorry [09:38] <Burgundavia> tonii, see the link crimsun gave you, actually quite simple [09:38] <Burgundavia> f_newton, it must be avaible [09:38] <f_newton> whats the first letters of it ronybeck [09:38] <Burgundavia> f_newton, not necessarily installed by default [09:38] <f_newton> it must accompany the software [09:38] <tonii> Burgundavia: I will. :) [09:38] <Xyc0> too bad ati cant be that easy [09:38] <logical_mark> Burgundavia, should I use Samba or NFS to setup sharing? [09:38] <crimsun> f_newton: it doesn't come on the cd, but one can install it from pool. [09:38] <ronybeck> ipw [09:38] <Xyc0> meh gnite all [09:38] <ronybeck> f_newton, ipw [09:39] <Burgundavia> logical_mark, samba, if you have windows friends [09:39] <f_newton> you have the right to modify, distribute, providing you INCLUDE it [09:39] <Burgundavia> f_newton, "If distribution of executable or object code is made by offering access to copy from a designated place, then offering equivalent access to copy the source code from the same place counts as distribution of the source code, even though third parties are not compelled to copy the source along with the object code. [09:39] <Burgundavia> 4." [09:39] <f_newton> ol [09:39] <f_newton> uh ok [09:40] <barkley> crimsun, thanks for your guidance, i at least got rhythmbox to play my 80s music:) [09:40] <logical_mark> Burgundavia, all my friends run windows. As a matter of fact the reasson I am trying to get into linux is b/c I want to get into network security and a lot of IT stuff. Everyone I talk to says Learn LInux and C [09:40] <ronybeck> f_newton, any clues? [09:40] <logical_mark> but so far I really like it [09:40] <barkley> logical_mark, you need both [09:40] <Burgundavia> logical_mark, you can do network security on windows, it is not pretty (I have an MCP, for the record) [09:40] <logical_mark> barkley, I need Samba and NFS? [09:40] <barkley> logical_mark, windows is increasing int he server market [09:40] <ilba7r> ok burgundavia i see the point there [09:41] <Burgundavia> barkley, both are growing [09:41] <barkley> logical_mark, zealots don't get hired [09:41] <f_newton> yeah there is a timeout issue with those wifi chipsets and the work around is available but I think you have install first [09:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> !java [09:41] <ubotu> [java] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added. [09:41] <logical_mark> barkley, zealots? [09:41] <logical_mark> Burgundavia, MCP? [09:41] <barkley> logical_mark, open source zealots [09:41] <f_newton> ask Burgundavia or Amaranth they are very knowlegable [09:41] <ronybeck> f_newton, yeah that doesn't help me though :-/ [09:41] <Burgundavia> logical_mark, Microsoft Certified Professional (Windows 2000 server) [09:41] <f_newton> yes but the two I mentioned may be abel to [09:42] <logical_mark> barkley, sorry but I still dont understand. I have only been in the OSS community for, eh, 3 days [09:42] <barkley> logical_mark, i've been programming linux since '97 www.jbmelectronics.com [09:42] <barkley> logical_mark, i hate FSF zealots. not open source zealots [09:42] <Burgundavia> logical_mark, knowledge of both is useful. You will get more money by doing linux stuff [09:42] <logical_mark> Burgundavia, I am still in high school guys so I have a lot of time to learn, but i like to be ahead [09:42] <logical_mark> barkley, FSF? [09:42] <logical_mark> bear with me guys I am new to all this [09:43] <Burgundavia> logical_mark, Free Software Foundation. Basically started the whole Free Software/OSS thing [09:43] <barkley> logical: the Free Software Foundation....a socialist organization that was founded by the socialist Richard Stallman [09:43] <logical_mark> I will have to read up on them [09:43] <guardianx3> how do i make x-chat automatically join ubuntu channel when ever i connect to freenode??? [09:43] <Amaranth> That'll be enough FUD for the night. [09:44] <Madpilot> Amaranth: +q on barkley? [09:44] <guardianx3> i'm getting tire of typing /join #ubuntu [09:44] <logical_mark> I have taken C++, Java, and Visual Basic @ my high school so I can understand lanuages quickly [09:44] <radiodog> guardianx3, go to the server list, double click on the freenode server you use, and you'll see that magic box you want. [09:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok anyone know how to install the stupid java crap from suns site? [09:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> like an easy way to do it >.< [09:44] <crimsun> Amaranth: please direct them to #ubuntu-offtopic first as a warning. [09:44] <Burgundavia> guardianx3, when at the server dialog, simply choose the ubuntu servers option [09:44] <logical_mark> But the move from windows to linux us harder for me to wrap my mind around you know [09:44] <cafuego_> Madpilot: he used "socialist" as if it was a dirty word [09:44] <barkley> let's be honest [09:44] <Amaranth> crimsun: your turn, i'm grouchy [09:44] <barkley> the FSF is a political organization [09:44] <barkley> and does not represent open source [09:45] <Burgundavia> barkley, yes it is, but it is a not a socialist one [09:45] <Amaranth> crimsun: and this channel pisses me off more every day, so yeah, i'll sleep now [09:45] <Madpilot> cafuego: some people do. I think they're idiots for doing so, but there you go [09:45] <crimsun> guys, remember #ubuntu-offtopic. [09:45] <crimsun> you're welcome to discuss non-support topics there. [09:45] <barkley> Burgundavia, let's goto offtopic [09:45] <Burgundavia> logical_mark, to boil it down, the FSF don't like the term Open source [09:45] <logical_mark> where is the off topic? [09:45] <Burgundavia> #ubuntu-offtopic [09:45] <crimsun> /join #ubuntu-offtopic [09:46] <barkley> anybody that brings in FSF politics in here needs to be shown that the FSF doesn't represent open source [09:46] <f_newton> cafuego, if you'd seen the things ive seen you would think it a dirty word [09:46] <guardianx3> radiodog - do i jus type unbuntu or /join #ubuntu [09:46] <logical_mark> join #ubuntu-offtopic [09:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can someone help me to install java ubotu's howto sucks >.< [09:46] <Burgundavia> logical_mark, assuming you are on x-chat, simply right click on that link and select join [09:46] <ronybeck> ChurcH_of_FoamY, what is the problem? [09:46] <cafuego_> ChurcH_of_FoamY: let me justf ix that factoid for you [09:46] <guardianx3> how do i make nvtv fit the whole tv when i switch tv mode?? [09:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> jre-1_5_0_01-Linux-i586.bin <-----= i got this from suns website [09:47] <radiodog> guardianx3, type #ubuntu [09:47] <guardianx3> the whole tv screen [09:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but the howto that the wiki gives and the link dosen't look right to me [09:47] <_ray> ok.......i got it so xine is the default....and it works....but when i click on big movies it plays the mp3 file next in the list instead of the movie...if i right click and say open with xine it works fine [09:47] <_ray> oops [09:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the versions and the files seem to be diffrent [09:47] <_ray> sorry guys wrong room [09:47] <f_newton> lol [09:47] <ronybeck> ChurcH_of_FoamY, so did you run that file? [09:47] <radiodog> ChurcH_of_FoamY, chmod +x jre*.bin , ./jre*.bin , follow instructs? [09:47] <cafuego_> f_newton: all of sweden is evil, eh [09:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i don't even know how >.< [09:47] <ram_einstein> I want to rename all *.jpg.jpg.jpg to *.jpg [09:48] <ram_einstein> how do I do it [09:48] <ronybeck> ChurcH_of_FoamY, no prob I will show you [09:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk [09:48] <ronybeck> ChurcH_of_FoamY, just type this fist: chmod +x jre-1_5_0_01-Linux-i586.bin [09:48] <guardianx3> how do i make this pc(ubuntu ) see the files share on workgroup called goku ? [09:48] <f_newton> cafuego, socialism is a lure for selfish lazy men to gain control of poor working stiffs in the end you end up paying more taxes to the state and nothing gets done [09:48] <ronybeck> ChurcH_of_FoamY, that will make the file executable [09:49] <guardianx3> the goku network is windows [09:49] <cafuego_> !tell ChurcH_of_FoamY -about java [09:49] <f_newton> but that is really off topic [09:49] <ram_einstein> How to rename all *.jpg.jpg.jpg to *.jpg [09:49] <ronybeck> ChurcH_of_FoamY, Then type: ./jre-1_5_0_01-Linux-i586.bin [09:49] <f_newton> I dont want to be dragged into that conversation [09:49] <raven3x7> is there a way to remove kde after installing it with "install Kubuntu-Desktop". removing that removes almost nothing. [09:49] <crimsun> ronybeck: do you know about 'java-package' from multiverse? It works with JRE/JDK 1.5.0, too. [09:50] <ram_einstein> How to rename all *.jpg.jpg.jpg to *.jpg in the same directory? ofcourse not f_newton [09:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok it says no sutch file or dir [09:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's right there on my desktop >.< [09:50] <ram_einstein> rename .jpg.jpg.jpg .jpg doesn't work [09:50] <f_newton> what are you on about ram_einstein ? [09:50] <ilba7r> raven3*7 search for all kde packages by synaptic and remove what you do not want [09:50] <ronybeck> ChurcH_of_FoamY, you need to be in the directory that you downloaded the jre-1_5_0_01-Linux-i586.bin file to [09:50] <jtgameover> ram_einstein, you are back [09:50] <guardianx3> how do i get files off my windows computer who is on a workgroup called (goku) [09:51] <ronybeck> ChurcH_of_FoamY, crimsun has a better idea though [09:51] <ram_einstein> I don't want to involve you f_newton [09:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i was [09:51] <jtgameover> i think i found a solution, but i gotta find it again [09:51] <ram_einstein> yes jtgameover [09:51] <raven3x7> ilba7r, thats reallly not that easy [09:51] <ram_einstein> please do [09:51] <ram_einstein> it's very important [09:51] <crimsun> ram_einstein: for i in *.jpg.jpg.jpg; do mv "$i" "`echo "$i"|sed s/.jpg.jpg.jpg/.jpg/`"; done [09:51] <f_newton> hey ram_einstein thats plenty fine with me.. I already told you I didnt do that stuff [09:51] <guardianx3> how do i get files off my windows computer who is on a workgroup called (goku) [09:52] <ram_einstein> thanks!!!!!!!!!!1 [09:52] <ram_einstein> thanks so much crimsun [09:52] <onkarshinde> I am having problem with recording sound with Mic. Can anyone help me? [09:52] <ilba7r> raven3*7 the problem with apt-get or synaptic they do not remember what packages was dependent on kde that you installed. Thats why i prefer aptitude [09:52] <crimsun> onkarshinde: what sound chipset? cat /proc/asound/modules [09:53] <onkarshinde> crimsun: 0 snd_via82xx [09:53] <crimsun> onkarshinde: have you selected the mic as the input (recording) device using alsamixer? [09:54] <raven3x7> ilba7r, if i remove kubuntu-desktop with aptitude could that work? [09:54] <ilba7r> raven3*7 if you installed it by aptitude it will otherwise no [09:55] <ilba7r> and kde and kubuntu-desktop are just dummy packages to install most kde packages that you need [09:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> cafuego_ your a genius ^_^ [09:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> now that was so absurdly simple you should replace the wikipage with that [09:56] <raven3x7> hmm i might have. someone told me it had better dependency checking [09:57] <raven3x7> dawm didint work [09:57] <onkarshinde> crimsun: I have opened alsamixer in capture mode. But how to enable mic? [09:57] <crimsun> onkarshinde: press space bar when the mic is active [09:58] <glick> how come the sound doesnt work when i play enemy territory? [09:58] <znh> Lag: 2 second.. lol :-D [09:58] <znh> glick: I know a sollution [09:58] <linuxboy> Can Ubuntu play 3gp files? [09:58] <glick> znh, what? [09:58] <znh> glick: gimme a sec, i'll search it again [09:58] <onkarshinde> crimsun: Sorry, but i didn't get the meaning of mic is active [09:58] <glick> thanks [09:59] <crimsun> onkarshinde: scroll over to the mic selection, and press the space bar. [09:59] <glick> actually the game only plays when i do esddsp et [09:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> crimsun: did you give me that neat howto for java? [09:59] <onkarshinde> crimsun: It doesn't make a difference. [09:59] <glick> but when i just to et, it changes the resolution of the screen and there is a black screen and thats it [09:59] <znh> glick: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22546.html [09:59] <znh> glick: oh you are using gnome? [09:59] <crimsun> glick: that's because (1) your sound card only supports one sound at a time, and (2) esd is hogging that sound device. [10:00] <glick> znh, yes [10:00] <znh> glick: disable gnomes sound server at System->Sound [10:00] <glick> ah [10:00] <znh> ubotu: gnome is terrible [10:00] <ubotu> okay, znh [10:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hey look at that it workes ^_^ YAY [10:00] <znh> :-P [10:00] <znh> !gnome [10:00] <ubotu> gnome is, like, terrible [10:00] <crimsun> glick: you either have to (1) use esddsp et, or (2) stop esd by using esdctl or by pkill esd or System> Preferences> Sound> uncheck Enable Sound server startup [10:00] <glick> znh, disable the sound server then restart gnome? [10:00] <znh> glick: not needed :-) [10:00] <arbir> how do i install the latest ogg vorbis encoder ? [10:01] <crimsun> arbir: install 'vorbis-tools' [10:01] <arbir> crimsun: it install 1.0.1 not the latest 1.1.1 [10:01] <crimsun> arbir: Hoary doesn't have 1.1.1. [10:01] <arbir> i have backports @ crimsun [10:01] <arbir> crimsun: so tell me of a way to install 1.1.1 [10:02] <crimsun> arbir: then backports doesn't have 1.1.1. Caveat: I don't use backports. [10:02] <crimsun> arbir: grab the deb-src from Breezy and compile it. [10:02] <arbir> i also need lame @ crimson [10:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can Linux download podcasts? [10:02] <crimsun> arbir: then look at debian-marillat [10:02] <arbir> where can i get the source from ? [10:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> for my ipod [10:02] <znh> !cedaga [10:02] <ubotu> znh: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [10:02] <crimsun> arbir: from pool. [10:02] <znh> !cedega [10:02] <ubotu> it has been said that cedega is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega [10:03] <crimsun> arbir: archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ [10:03] <znh> !wine [10:03] <arbir> let me take a look crimsun [10:03] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: no idea. Was this 'java-package'? [10:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'll show you [10:03] <onkarshinde> crimsun: I did as you say. Still sound can't be recorded. [10:03] <crimsun> onkarshinde: paste the output from amixer onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl [10:04] <onkarshinde> Ok [10:04] <arbir> can i not use breezy as my repository and just get the vorbis? [10:04] <salutis> hello all [10:04] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: no, I didn't, though I mentioned 'java-package' to someone. [10:04] <arbir> helo salutis [10:05] <crimsun> arbir: no, you can't. [10:05] <arbir> uh oh :-( [10:05] <crimsun> arbir: Breezy has newer dependencies that Hoary cannot satisfy. [10:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok [10:05] <ballatition> hello all [10:05] <salutis> ballatition: hi [10:05] <arbir> hmmm [10:05] <arbir> and how do i get Lame ? [10:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so can Ubuntu use podcasts i use gktpod and it works fine but i don't know if it can use podcasts [10:06] <ballatition> I am kinda new to linux and need some help [10:06] <hyphenated> arbir: you copy the dorkiest kid you know. then you'll get lame [10:06] <crimsun> arbir: it should be in multiverse. [10:06] <hyphenated> (alternatively, try apt-get install lame) [10:07] <crimsun> !info lame [10:07] <ubotu> lame: (LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder), section multiverse/sound, is optional. Version: 3.96.1-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 222 kB, Installed size: 620 kB [10:07] <onkarshinde> crimsun: If I select Alsa for source in Multimedia Systems Selector and try to test then it gives me some test pipeline error.. [10:07] <arbir> apt-get -s install lame [10:07] <arbir> Reading package lists... Done [10:07] <arbir> Building dependency tree... Done [10:07] <arbir> Package lame is not available, but is referred to by another package. [10:07] <arbir> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or [10:08] <crimsun> onkarshinde: and if you choose esd? [10:08] <arbir> is only available from another source [10:08] <znh> ubotu: samba provides filesharing with microsoft windows, for more information: http://www.samba.org [10:08] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, znh [10:08] <arbir> E: Package lame has no installation candidate [10:08] <f_newton> arbir yer headed fer trouble [10:08] <crimsun> arbir: please don't flood in this channel, thanks. [10:08] <znh> ubotu: samba is samba provides filesharing with microsoft windows, for more information: http://www.samba.org [10:08] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, znh [10:08] <crimsun> arbir: apt-cache policy lame [10:08] <crimsun> arbir: paste in #flood [10:08] <arbir> ok crimson [10:09] <guardianx> how do u install samba????i couldnt follow along with this tut - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba?highlight=%28samba%29 because my general tab doesnt have the ( current network profile ) option [10:09] <onkarshinde> crimsun: esd doesn't give any problem for any of source or sink. [10:10] <arbir> crimsun: i pasted in flood [10:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how do i make beep media player the default player for .mp3's? [10:10] <crimsun> onkarshinde: ok, and have you configured the volumes correctly using the Volume Control? [10:10] <onkarshinde> crimsun: Yes. [10:10] <crimsun> arbir: you don't have multiverse enabled [10:10] <arbir> crimsun: what must i do ? [10:11] <LasseL> guardianx, check the System > Administration > Shared Folders menu [10:11] <crimsun> arbir: wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto [10:11] <arbir> let me check that crimsun [10:11] <crimsun> onkarshinde: did you paste your amixer output onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl? [10:12] <dazjorz> hello again :) [10:12] <ce_imoet> hii.. [10:12] <salutis> hi [10:12] <dazjorz> this time I'm the one with linux problems :P [10:12] <ce_imoet> hiii juga [10:12] <dazjorz> euhh [10:12] <arbir> i dont have a gui [10:13] <Madpilot> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you mean visualization stuff? dancing random stuff? Totem does that [10:13] <onkarshinde> crimsun: Do you mean to capture all the console view of alsamixer? [10:13] <dazjorz> installation keeps failing on the shitty machine i have here next to me [10:13] <arbir> i have ssh'ed into my machine which is far away [10:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea i know but it won't play the mp3's [10:13] <dazjorz> i fixed some problems in shell 2, where i did in /usr/bin # ln -s udpkg dpkg [10:13] <dazjorz> that worked [10:13] <dazjorz> but i also have kernel installing problems [10:13] <arbir> i have ssh'ed into my machine which is far away @ crimsun [10:13] <arbir> i dont have a gui @ crimsun [10:13] <dazjorz> and also problems with the Release file after I tried installing 2 times [10:14] <ce_imoet> hii.. [10:14] <arbir> can u tell me the link for multiverse @ crimsun ? [10:14] <ce_imoet> hii....pa khabar [10:14] <crimsun> onkarshinde: no, type amixer, and paste its output onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl [10:15] <Madpilot> ChurcH_of_FoamY: mine does just fine - check the Restricted formats stuff on the wiki [10:15] <crimsun> arbir: did you read the wiki? You can use w3m. [10:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk [10:15] <ce_imoet> hi...kenalan dunxxxx] [10:15] <suma> hey ppl.... can somebody help me out pls.... i was trying to remove the network boot option so i ran: update-rc.d -f networking remove ... it is removed but it takes around 15 minutes for gnome to load... any suggestions? [10:16] <crimsun> suma: oh my, you really didn't want to do that. [10:16] <guardianx> is there an auto log in option in ubuntu?? i'm tire of typing the log/pw everytime i log into the pc [10:16] <djcheezecake> exit [10:16] <ce_imoet> ok [10:16] <arbir> i dont get you at all @ crimsun [10:16] <suma> crimsun: what should i do :( [10:16] <crimsun> suma: at most, you could have removed the auto lines in /etc/network/interfaces, but DO NOT remove it for the loopback (lo). [10:16] <dazjorz> Guardianw I think there is some option in the control panel of KDE [10:16] <onkarshinde> crimsun: I did it. [10:16] <crimsun> suma: reverse your actions using update-rc.d [10:17] <crimsun> onkarshinde: sec [10:17] <ce_imoet> hi.... [10:17] <dazjorz> ==> i've got problems with the installer, it tells me the mirrors release files aren't correct [10:17] <arbir> is sleepy [10:17] <arbir> has to go now [10:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how to make beep-media-player the default player for mp3's in Ubuntu? [10:17] <suma> crimsun: update-rc.d networking defaults 35 (is the number 35? i says differently at other sites) [10:17] <bimberi> ChurcH_of_FoamY: To change the default app for a filetype - right click on an mp3 file in Nautilus (the file browser), select Properties and the Open With tab. [10:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok [10:18] <glick> ET is a pretty cool game [10:18] <ce_imoet> hiii....knalan duuunx.... [10:18] <dazjorz> The installer tells me "Bad archive mirror" for both nl.archive.ubuntu.com HTTP and FTP [10:18] <glick> whats the point of the esd? [10:18] <bimberi> ChurcH_of_FoamY: hopefully bmp is listed, otherwise you'll need to add it to the list [10:18] <glick> why not have it off all the time? [10:18] <crimsun> suma: it's 40 on Breezy. [10:19] <glick> what does the esd do? [10:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um ok but i don't want to have to do that erverytime though is there a way to get it to just do it on regular clicking automaticly? [10:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and yea it's there [10:19] <dazjorz> ^^ [10:20] <dazjorz> comon ? [10:20] <dazjorz> Mirror* [10:20] <glick> do i need to run the esd ? [10:21] <bimberi> ChurcH_of_FoamY: whatever you set should stay until you change it again [10:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok [10:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm just getting the final tweaks done on my box [10:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and then i'm gonna try to burn my entire hard drive to dvd's to back it up [10:22] <crimsun> onkarshinde: you need to deselect IEC958 as the recording device and mute it [10:22] <bimberi> ChurcH_of_FoamY: ha - you'll never finish tweaking :) [10:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_o [10:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol [10:22] <spiral> why does apt-get remove postfix remove mysql and mutt as well? [10:22] <logical_mark> hey guys [10:22] <starfishy> ive been tweaking for more than 10 years :D [10:23] <logical_mark> I just used SPM to install KDE and now I dont know how to use it instead of gnome [10:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> maybe not stupid .RPM >.< [10:23] <onkarshinde> crimsun: Done. [10:23] <onkarshinde> crimsun: Should I try recording now? [10:23] <dazjorz> logical mark [10:23] <dazjorz> when gnome starts [10:23] <dazjorz> you see some Service thingy [10:23] <dazjorz> that should be set to KDE [10:23] <dazjorz> and also [10:24] <dazjorz> your default is not set to KDE, but i dont know how to do that manually, I myself got a question when I installed KDE [10:24] <dazjorz> display manager should be set to kdm [10:24] <crimsun> onkarshinde: in alsamixer, using the recording view (F4), is mic selected and toggled on? [10:24] <dazjorz> (sorry for multiple lines) [10:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i know this is probibly a bad question to ask but how do you install limewire cause i don't know of anything else that is p2p for Linux [10:25] <logical_mark> dazjorz let me restart and see what happens thanks [10:25] <dazjorz> Church_of_Foamy: There is a KaZaA for Linux [10:25] <onkarshinde> crimsun: Yes It is. [10:25] <dazjorz> its console though [10:25] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: there are a bevy of p2p network clients for Linux; search the Ubuntu forum and Google [10:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kazza for Linux where? [10:25] <dazjorz> Google [10:26] <salutis> Church_of_Foamy: i using gtk-gnutella from respository. very good p2p program. [10:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk [10:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'll try that [10:26] <raven3x7> Kazaa sucks [10:27] <salutis> kazaa is virus ..) [10:27] <dazjorz> ==> How do I DHCP-configure my network when the DHCP server is at 192.168.1.254 not on 192.168.1.1 [10:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm just looking for a really good p2p program and gtkpod diden't let me down so i'll try the gtk-gnutella [10:27] <dazjorz> ( -.- ) [10:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> maybe it will work [10:27] <glick> znh, Enemy Territory always downloads huge game data files when i connect to a server, will those fillup my disk? [10:28] <raven3x7> ChurcH_of_FoamY, there are instructions for installing limewire in ubuntuguide [10:28] <crimsun> glick: if you have very little free disk space, yes. [10:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk [10:28] <salutis> Church_of_Foamy: gtk-gnutella is for my best client. many options and good interface. it connection with many p2p networks.. [10:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'd rather use "Linux Freindly" apps ^_^ [10:28] <glick> crimsun, i have decent disk space, but each time i connect to a server it usually downloads 15+ megs [10:28] <Poromies> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you know bittorrent right? [10:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes [10:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i love bittorrent [10:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^ [10:29] <onkarshinde> crimsun: there? [10:29] <glick> where can i delete those files? [10:29] <crimsun> onkarshinde: yes? [10:29] <Poromies> well, put up azureus then and go [10:29] <hyphenated> glick: yeah, it drops them all in ~/.etwolf/etmain or ~/.etwolf/etpro or whichever [10:29] <hyphenated> glick: look for big .pk3 files in there. [10:29] <onkarshinde> crimsun: Still the recording is not working. [10:30] <persia> dazjorz: You should not have to do anything special: DHCP should be configured through broadcast. [10:30] <crimsun> onkarshinde: did you adjust the mic level? [10:30] <crimsun> onkarshinde: also, check alsa.opensrc.org [10:30] <glick> hyphenated, not the pak0-2 files though? [10:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> me opens up gtk-gnutella and is both overwhelmed and stumped by the huge volume of info and options O_o [10:30] <hyphenated> glick: probably not [10:31] <onkarshinde> crimsun: Is there anything like unlocking device or something? [10:31] <dazjorz> persia: I can't download the release file from any server. But i'm sure that the same settings work at my own pc. The installation does not recognise the network card but I can use modprobe 3c509 to make it do that. [10:32] <glick> im surprised that the game isnt more popular than it is [10:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> salutis can you help me with gtk-gnutella? [10:32] <persia> dazjorz: My apologies: I appear to have entered in the middle. What sort of DHCP error are you getting? [10:33] <dazjorz> persia: Can't find any DHCP server. The DHCP server could be slow or the hardware isn't working [10:33] <dazjorz> persia: But other times it work just as it has to. [10:34] <persia> dazjorz: And you know you have a working DHCP server on the network? [10:34] <hyphenated> glick: enemy territory? it was pretty big for a while, 2nd in the most played network games [10:34] <dazjorz> persia: I am now installing for like the fifth time. There is every time some error. [10:34] <hyphenated> glick: but there's nothing behind it but the modding community, which took time to catch up. so people lost interest [10:34] <dazjorz> persia: I should have. What is the DHCP port? I can check if its working then. [10:34] <crimsun> onkarshinde: no, but your chipset may have particular quirks. Check the ALSA wiki. [10:35] <glick> thats too bad :( [10:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok gtk-gnutella i've made my judgement gtk-gnutella ROCKS! [10:35] <spiral> how do I change the password for sudo? [10:36] <dazjorz> spiral: by changing the password for the root user [10:36] <glick> i just wish that months ago when i asked if anyone new any cool games for linux they would have directed me to it [10:36] <spiral> dazjorz, I tried that, and it did not work [10:37] <raven3x7> spiral change your user pass [10:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i use point2play for my games and it runs so far every game i have [10:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i got dosbox to run my old DOS games (altho i haven't figured out how to use it just yet >.< [10:37] <persia> dazjorz: client port is 68, server port is 67. I'm not that familiar with the install process, but I'm happy to work to solve DHCP issues. [10:38] <spiral> raven3x7 can you give me a specific command? [10:38] <dazjorz> telnet 192.168.1.254 67 gives me: Trying 192.168.1.254.... [10:38] <persia> spiral: passwd [10:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um can k3b burn .mp3's to cd for use in cd-players [10:39] <spiral> persia I tried that... [10:39] <nightswim> yes [10:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is there any tweaking to be done first? [10:40] <persia> dazjorz: DHCP is a little more complicated than that: the client needs to send with the source address 0.0.0.0, and the desctination address 255.255.255.255 for anything to happen. Does the output of `netstat -rn` show a line beginning 192.168.1.0? [10:40] <dazjorz> persia: You mean on shell 2 ? I just restarted the PC, so first i'll try network config again [10:40] <tiglionabbit> when I try to print newgrounds.com firefox crashes [10:40] <Amaranth> Don't do that. :P [10:41] <tiglionabbit> lol [10:41] <persia> dazjorz: As I said, I'm not that familiar with the install process, but yes, from a standard shell, if the netstat utility is available. [10:41] <tiglionabbit> I wanted to see what happens. Well, it crashes every time [10:44] <wickedpuppy> hi guys ... i am about to buy a dvd writer and wondering if any of you got any advice? [10:44] <guardianx> how do i make nvtv fit on the tv screen??? [10:45] <tiglionabbit> wickedpuppy: get a hybrid cd/dvd rewritable one [10:45] <glick> hey does anyone know what ports roadrunner internet blocks? [10:45] <wickedpuppy> i thought all dvd writers also can write cd [10:45] <persia> dazjorz: If netstat is not available, try `cat /proc/route`. You'd be looking for a line starting 0001A8C0. [10:45] <wickedpuppy> i mean ubuntu support for the dvd writers [10:46] <dazjorz> persia: Network is working now :) I think I did modprobe 3c509 a bit too late [10:46] <wickedpuppy> any major brand that is not compitable with ubuntu ? [10:46] <tiglionabbit> wickedpuppy: well, Ubuntu appears to support all of the dvd writers I've tried with it [10:46] <persia> dazjorz: Excellent. Good luck! [10:46] <tiglionabbit> does anyone know where I can get a standalone flash player exe? [10:46] <guardianx> is there a way to set auto log in in ubuntu?? [10:46] <wickedpuppy> ah great great [10:46] <Madpilot> wickedpuppy: I've got a Pioneer 109 if you're lookig for specific brand recommends - its worked flawlessly so far [10:46] <wickedpuppy> ah great [10:47] <wickedpuppy> that will give me some ideas [10:47] <dazjorz> persia: Thanks for your help :) [10:47] <wickedpuppy> thanks guys [10:47] <dazjorz> sdl-config: Command not found [10:47] <dazjorz> where do I get it ? [10:47] <tiglionabbit> dazjorz: use apt-file [10:47] <tiglionabbit> to find out [10:47] <guardianx> can i set up auto log in . in ubuntu?? [10:48] <crimsun> dazjorz: libsdl1.2-dev [10:48] <tiglionabbit> guardianx: yes you can. System -> admin -> login screen setup [10:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what's better Graveman or Gnomebaker or k3b ? [10:48] <tiglionabbit> wait what the... [10:48] <tiglionabbit> where did my "Login screen setup" button go? It used to be there.. wtf [10:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> for burning mp3's [10:49] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: no idea, try them all. k3b looks cool though [10:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i used k3b but don't know if it can burn cd's for use in car and sterio players [10:50] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I'd assume that as long as they're CD-Rs (not RW) they would work. Go on, try it [10:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> plus it gives me an error if i try to burn a cd too fast [10:50] <daxuza> hello all [10:50] <raven3x7> spiral sorry i went away from the keyboard. i dont really remember the command but you could use System > Administration > Users and Groups [10:50] <tiglionabbit> then don't burn too fast [10:50] <dazjorz> tiglionabbit: thanks [10:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i can get 4x outta 52x on my burner >.< [10:50] <spiral> raven3x7: I'm not the spiral who was there earlier... He took my nick... [10:51] <dazjorz> crimsun / tiglionabbit: apt-file: command not found [10:51] <raven3x7> oh [10:51] <tiglionabbit> spiral: registered it? [10:51] <tiglionabbit> dazjorz: you'll have to get apt-file. It's in universe [10:51] <tiglionabbit> !info apt-file [10:51] <ubotu> apt-file: (APT package searching utility -- command-line interface), section universe/base, is optional. Version: 2.0.3-7 (hoary), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 88 kB [10:51] <crimsun> dazjorz: I told you which package you need to install. [10:51] <spiral> tiglionabbit: yes, my nick is registered... So I did a nickserv ghost on it [10:51] <dazjorz> crimsum / tiglionabbit: I've got apt-get but not apt-file. [10:51] <tiglionabbit> ah [10:51] <dazjorz> wait i'm not root atm [10:52] <spiral> dazjorz: apt-get install apt-file [10:52] <tiglionabbit> dazjorz: it's a package. But then again, I'm not sure it will find what you're looking for, sorry [10:53] <dazjorz> everyone: I did sudo apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev and it worked too :) [10:54] <dazjorz> by the way, is DLL the same format as SO ? WINE uses DLL linked to SO files. Can I just rename a DLL to a SO ? [10:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmmm k3b dosen't seem to like .wma files [10:55] <dazjorz> cuz PCSX2 needs a PADWIN module. On the website it says that it works for Linux too. But after make, I just get a dll files [10:55] <jtgameover> what's a simple color-chooser program? [10:55] <dazjorz> file* [10:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> looks like i'm gonna have to convert them to mp3 if i can figure out how >.< [10:58] <guardianx> how do i fit the whole screen in nvtv?? because when ever i use movie doesnt fit in the whole screen... the movie becomes very big .. even tho i pic the small resolution in nvtv [11:00] <starfishy> why wouldnt it? [11:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it never has before with my old cd burner [11:01] <starfishy> depends on both the burner and the media used [11:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it would crap out at anything abouve 4x [11:01] <starfishy> :) [11:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> went out and bought a sony super drive [11:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> for dvd/cd/cd-rw/dvd-rw [11:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> this is the first time i am using it in Linux though [11:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i ripped it outta wifys computer (winsux box) [11:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and gaver her my old one [11:04] <PurpleMotion> Hai, fsckers! [11:05] <PurpleMotion> that was a BAD idea [11:05] <glick> damn its 5 am here perhaps i should head to bed sometime in the near future [11:05] <PurpleMotion> i had more artifacts than a ninety year old museum curator [11:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> roflmao [11:06] <PurpleMotion> hey i found a flaw in foamy [11:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_O [11:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> where [11:06] <PurpleMotion> in fan mail eight, he says he cant go back and change something because he doesnt have a time machine [11:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea i cuaght that too [11:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> conflicts with yesterday mail [11:07] <dazjorz> Jesus [11:07] <PurpleMotion> but in the owner, he and pillz-e go back in time and then we saw hitler and then we said hi and then we shot him in the head (but that never happened, okay) [11:07] <levander> Ubuntu has a Hardware Compatibility List? [11:07] <dazjorz> my internet is going soooooooooooooo slow at the moment [11:07] <dazjorz> wtf :S [11:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i ahven't seen that one i think [11:07] <PurpleMotion> and yesterday mail is completely based around the time machine [11:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea i know [11:07] <PurpleMotion> really? its hilarious [11:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> got the link? [11:07] <PurpleMotion> oh my god there's a boogar on your butt [11:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's one i haven't seen O_o [11:08] <PurpleMotion> hrmm [11:08] <PurpleMotion> tell ya what [11:08] <PurpleMotion> i have ALL of them [11:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol [11:08] <PurpleMotion> I'll put them on a url for you, but you have to tell me when you're done getting them, cause i dont want to support the kind of traffic that a foamy archive would produce [11:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i want to put them on vcd for myself but don't know how to get them fromn the website to my computer yet in Linux >.< [11:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok lol [11:08] <Kev0r> In a C-file, how do i run a linux command? [11:09] <PurpleMotion> right click, save as [11:09] <bimberi> levander: There's some info on the wiki - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport [11:09] <ishit> hey i need some urgent help on ubuntu [11:09] <ishit> anyone there [11:09] <levander> bimberi: Great! I was really expecting there just to be nothing! I'll go check it out now. [11:09] <jfk303> highvoltage, can I apt-get install the open source .net implementation 'Mono'? [11:10] <bimberi> !info mono [11:10] <ubotu> mono: (The Mono .NET development environment), section universe/interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.0.5-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 36 kB [11:10] <acid2> Hey, ermmm.. anybody good with makefiles? [11:10] <bimberi> jfk303: there you go - you'll need to enable the universe repository [11:10] <acid2> I wanted to know if there is a command similar to cd in it (because cd doesn't work) [11:11] <jfk303> bimberi, I've got that [11:11] <highvoltage> jfk303: why are you asking me? i keep my distance from anything .net as far as possible! [11:11] <acid2> jfk303: what are the problems? [11:11] <acid2> Im a mono lover :) [11:11] <highvoltage> acid2: well, that's not my problem ;) [11:11] <acid2> highvoltage: ummm ? [11:11] <PurpleMotion> alright church, they're uploading [11:12] <levander> bimberi: that page is only about 75% complete, even as a version 1.0. But it's a lot better start than what I expected... [11:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> PurpleMotion ok pm me the url when you can [11:12] <PurpleMotion> actually [11:12] <bimberi> jfk303: k [11:12] <PurpleMotion> im gonna spit it out in the channel in case anyone else wants it... [11:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk [11:12] <jfk303> highvoltage, i put 'hi' into xchat automatically filled in you name [11:12] <jfk303> soory [11:12] <PurpleMotion> then ill leave it up for 24 hours [11:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow [11:13] <bimberi> levander: yes - it's more complete than (the initially more promising looking) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareDatabase [11:13] <highvoltage> jfk303: np [11:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> p2p will never die screw you iraa and goberment winos [11:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> muhahahaha [11:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> iraa=riaa [11:14] <bimberi> lol (winos in particular) [11:14] <PurpleMotion> i wouldnt have such a problem with them if they actually paid their artists [11:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> true true [11:15] <PurpleMotion> 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for /public_html/foamy/15_5MoreMinutes.swf [11:15] <PurpleMotion> damn its 5am [11:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is that the link O_o [11:15] <PurpleMotion> check this out [11:15] <PurpleMotion> im going to bed [11:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> noooooo [11:15] <PurpleMotion> there's 81 episodes [11:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol [11:15] <glick> they do pay their artists wtf u talkin about? [11:15] <PurpleMotion> they're uploading [11:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what's the link? [11:16] <PurpleMotion> the url is http://www.Daede.Com/foamy [11:16] <PurpleMotion> there are 2 number 80's [11:16] <PurpleMotion> the right order is 80_handmade.swf and 81_ff8.swf [11:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thanx [11:16] <PurpleMotion> anytime man [11:16] <PurpleMotion> like i said i been with foamy fromt he beginning [11:16] <PurpleMotion> i have a foamy tattoo [11:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> just got hooked like 6 monthes ago [11:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_O awsome ^_^ [11:17] <PurpleMotion> and a two foot tall vinyl foamy ont he back windshield of my car [11:17] <PurpleMotion> foamy is my hero [11:17] <PurpleMotion> ya neo yuppie scumbags [11:18] <PurpleMotion> anyways [11:18] <PurpleMotion> sleep, now, fsckers [11:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> night [11:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and thanx ^_^ [11:23] <dazjorz> how do I unrar RAR archives ? [11:23] <dazjorz> it tells me PAD.rar isn't a RAR archive [11:23] <levander> Anybody know what the /dev/sg* files are for? I'm looking at a flash program for my DVD-RW that says I need /dev/sg* files. I don't have them and don't know what they are. [11:23] <Burgundavia> dazjorz, wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression [11:23] <dazjorz> oh lol [11:23] <dazjorz> it was a renamed tar file [11:23] <dazjorz> sorry [11:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> omg a 404 error >.< [11:24] <guardianx> how do i make the movies fit into the tv screen when i stich to tv out ??? [11:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and a permissions error NOOOooooo >.< [11:24] <Seveas> dazjorz, install unrar-nonfree [11:24] <Heijmen> does anyone know a program to rip a cd to mp3 or convert flac to mp3? [11:24] <HappyFool> levander: i think /dev/sg* are scsi devices; i can't remember the details [11:25] <levander> HappyFool: yeah, I remember something about that too. I think you're right, but I'm not sure. [11:26] <jfk303> HiveChild, I have a broadband router, how can I adjust its settings? I think I need to find its ip, because it has a web based configuration thingy?? [11:26] <jfk303> I have a broadband router, how can I adjust its settings? I think I need to find its ip, because it has a web based configuration thingy?? [11:27] <ubuntu_504_user> help [11:29] <ubuntu_504_user> i want application for .rar [11:29] <starfishy> help? [11:29] <starfishy> unrar? [11:29] <ubuntu_504_user> yes [11:29] <Burgundavia> ubuntu_504_user, wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompressin [11:29] <Burgundavia> ubuntu_504_user, wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression [11:29] <ubuntu_504_user> thx [11:30] <starfishy> rar 3.30 [11:30] <starfishy> comes with unrar [11:31] <ubuntu_504_user> what the command ? rar --help ? [11:31] <ubuntu_504_user> to extract [11:32] <starfishy> rar x file [11:32] <ubuntu_504_user> thx [11:32] <Poromies> if you have universe, then unrar-nonfree gives you broader support of archive and rar formats/versions [11:33] <ubuntu_504_user> ok [11:35] <ubuntu_504_user> once more, any body know billing application for internet cafe for ubuntu [11:35] <starfishy> if you mean something like quickbooks, there are some linux alternatives [11:35] <dazjorz> PCSX2: Segmentation fault [11:36] <dazjorz> help!! [11:36] <starfishy> i cant recommend one though [11:36] <starfishy> what is pcsx2? [11:36] <dazjorz> PlayStation 2 emulator [11:36] <starfishy> ah [11:36] <starfishy> pre-beta I think [11:36] <dazjorz> no [11:40] <starfishy> what game are you trying to play with it? [11:41] <jfk303> how can I find out y broadband routers ip? [11:42] <starfishy> its very likely 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1 [11:42] <starfishy> but your manual will surely tell you [11:43] <znh> starfishy: my default was 192.168.2.1 [11:43] <Cayne1> newbie help with synaptic package manager please..trying to add a repository and the dialog box is different to those displayed while googling.. and when i enter via apt line..nothing happens? any suggestions [11:43] <znh> or just write a bash script that pings a range of 1-255, if pings gives a signal of 0 display the working ip's [11:44] <harold> Evening, all [11:44] <znh> good morning harold [11:45] <jtgameover> Cayne1, what is your problem? [11:45] <HappyFool> Cayne1: i presume you got as far as 'Settings -> Repositories' ? [11:45] <harold> znh: Morning [11:45] <Cayne1> yes [11:45] <znh> harold: quite funny those timeszones [11:45] <HappyFool> Cayne1: ok, now click 'Add' [11:46] <Cayne1> Happyfool...may i send you a screenshot [11:46] <HappyFool> Cayne1: err, i'm on dial-up [11:46] <harold> znh: Yes. Actually, it's morning her, too, now that I think of it. [11:46] <HappyFool> Cayne1: i'm running synaptic here too, so i'm sure we can manage [11:46] <jtgameover> Cayne1, the easiest would be to close synaptic, and then edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file in sudo mode [11:46] <znh> harold: lol :-P [11:47] <jtgameover> just cut at paste the repos there [11:47] <jtgameover> but i'd also recommend backing up sources.list first [11:47] <Cayne1> jtgameover..cheers [11:48] <jtgameover> huh? [11:48] <jtgameover> so does that mean it worked? [11:49] <HappyFool> 'cheers' has a multiple of means; presumably 'thanks', in this case ;) [11:49] <HappyFool> meanings, even [11:49] <anacron> can you guys help me a bit, im trying to make wlan work with d-link dwl-510, i have once made it work with my another computer with ndiswrapper and modprobe, but now when i modprobe ndiswrapper it says that operation is not permitted, and im using sudo too, so what can be problem? [11:50] <znh> !welcome [11:50] <ubotu> it has been said that welcome is something from those weird humans - they never welcome me :-(! [11:50] <harold> anacron: Shouldn't you use madwifi? That's the real deal... [11:50] <anacron> harold: how does it work? [11:50] <Cayne1> jtgameover....the main issue is that previously (prior to reinstall) when doing "setting > repositoriesi have had a completely different interface panel which looks exactly like onthis page http://www.debianuniverse.com/readonline/chapter/06 [11:50] <Cayne1> now i dont [11:50] <harold> anacron: madwifi is a driver; it's made for atheros-based pc cards like your D-link one there. [11:51] <jtgameover> hmmm yeah [11:51] <anacron> harold: is it linux driver or just an inf file? [11:51] <topyli> HappyFool: no it doesn't. it always means "please drink to my health" :) [11:51] <harold> !madwifi [11:51] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, harold [11:51] <harold> anacron: it's a driver [11:51] <jtgameover> Cayne1, you mean the repositories interface right? [11:51] <harold> anacron: Hmmm...one sec... [11:51] <Cayne1> yes [11:52] <jtgameover> you mean the buttons are differnt and stuff? [11:52] <jtgameover> or the stuff displayed (info about repos) [11:52] <anacron> i don't have any expirience with linux drivers like that [11:52] <anacron> but if it's wiki then there shouldn't be a problem [11:52] <harold> anacron: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards [11:52] <Cayne1> jtgameover.. stuff displayed [11:52] <sinferno> can i install multiple versions of cedega @ the same time, i cant get dark age running in cedega 4.4 but i read that it works in 4.0 [11:53] <jtgameover> Cayne1, yes, that is what should happen [11:53] <jtgameover> you are telling synaptic to look in different places know [11:53] <jtgameover> if you do "refresh" [11:53] <jtgameover> it should start downloading the repos lists [11:54] <Rangitoto> I am looking for a linux distribution which can be installed easily on a Pentium II with 96 Mb RAM. Would you recommend Ubuntu or a different distro? [11:54] <HappyFool> the wiki has warty synaptic screenshots, which are different from hoary's synaptic [11:54] <jtgameover> and then you should be good to go and start installing stuff [11:54] <anacron> harold: and what now, that's just a list of "working cards" how's that supposed to help me? [11:54] <jtgameover> and Cayne1 I never change my repos list using the synaptic interface [11:54] <harold> anacron: Sorry [11:55] <jtgameover> i just edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file manually, much easier with cut and paste [11:55] <znh> !human [11:55] <ubotu> somebody said human was != me [11:55] <harold> anacron: Apparently madwifi is already installed on ubuntu; i had to compile it on my system because I have a Mac... [11:55] <harold> anacron: ...one sec... [11:55] <anacron> harold: right... [11:55] <anacron> harold: there's a 520 card, but i have 510 [11:55] <harold> anacron: Try this: run modprobe ath_pci [11:56] <harold> anacron: Actually, sudo modprobe ath_pci [11:56] <anacron> harold: yeah i did that [11:56] <harold> anacron: Any errors/messages/ [11:56] <znh> anyway does anyone know when GNOME 2 comes out, I heard rumors that it comes in christmas [11:56] <harold> anacron: Any errors or messages? [11:56] <anacron> harold: no, can you tell what's the name of that network choosing thing [11:56] <HappyFool> gnome 2? [11:56] <HappyFool> heh [11:56] <znh> yep [11:56] <HappyFool> what version of gnome are you using now? [11:56] <harold> anacron: iwconfig [11:57] <znh> HappyFool: none :-) [11:57] <harold> anacron: Run iwconfig ath0 essid any [11:57] <HappyFool> hoary has 2.10, i think breezy might have 2.12 [11:57] <jtgameover> yeah [11:57] <jtgameover> that'll be sweet [11:57] <znh> HappyFool: then i'm slightly confused.. xD [11:57] <jtgameover> does anyone here use rox [11:57] <anacron> harold: can we private chat? [11:57] <znh> jtgameover: yea I rox :-P [11:57] <harold> anacron: Also run iwlist ath0 scan to make sure networks are showing up next to ath0 [11:57] <harold> anacron: Sure [11:58] <anacron> good [11:58] <jtgameover> znh is it easy to change the icon theme for roxx [11:58] <Seveas> HappyFool, breezy will have 2.12, the gnome and ubuntu release cycles go hand-in-hand :) [11:58] <znh> jtgameover: it was a joke :-) [11:58] <jtgameover> oh sweet [11:58] <harold> 2 [11:58] <znh> :] [11:58] <HappyFool> Seveas: yeah, i was wondering about that. seems awfully convenient ;) [11:58] <Seveas> HappyFool, it's on purpose :) [11:58] <harold> Anyone know how to switch to private chat in irssi? [11:59] <znh> harold: yeah, change with /window <id> [11:59] <Seveas> /msg who-you-want-to-talk-to your text [11:59] <znh> Seveas: that lenght for nicknames aren't allowed [11:59] <jtgameover> Cayne1, sorry about that [11:59] <Seveas> znh, nope :) [11:59] <jtgameover> znh, what was the secret [11:59] <Seveas> max length is 16 on freenode :) [12:00] <znh> then it's five characters above the allowed [12:00] <znh> (whocares) [12:01] <Seveas> *g*\ [12:01] <jtgameover> znh, how do you easily change the icons [12:01] <jtgameover> in rox? [12:01] <znh> jtgameover: I don't know, I ment with "I rox", something like yeah, I do rock :-) [12:02] <znh> Seveas: you've seen !gnome :-P? [12:02] <jtgameover> oh lol [12:02] <jtgameover> !gnome [12:02] <ubotu> hmm... gnome is terrible [12:02] <xf_> yo, can one run a stock standard 2.6.12 kernel on hoary without problems (as in, no custom patches needed)? [12:02] <jtgameover> !kde [12:02] <HappyFool> heh [12:03] <Seveas> !gnome [12:03] <starfishy> xf: it does work [12:03] <Seveas> who added that? [12:03] <starfishy> but some devices need extra patches, among others some wireless network cards [12:03] <xf_> right, what devices? [12:03] <xf_> don't care about the wifi devices [12:03] <starfishy> i just found out the hard way, that the ipw2100 driver doesn't compile with gcc4.0 [12:03] <starfishy> then you should be ok [12:03] <xf_> things like udev/devfs are already in the kernel? [12:03] <xf_> ah, right [12:04] <xf_> is there a list somewhere of the patches applied against ubuntu kernels? [12:04] <highvoltage> ipx2x00 are full of crap. [12:04] <xf_> the source packages aren't terribly self explanatory unless i want to spend hours wading through code [12:04] <Seveas> znh, the bot is not to be played with [12:05] <starfishy> i agree, but they are still better than no WiFi at all [12:05] <highvoltage> Seveas: you sound like my mother [12:05] <znh> Seveas: don't tell me :-) [12:05] <znh> !tell Seveas about gnome [12:06] <znh> highvoltage: has seveas such a high voice o_O [12:09] <CiRkiT> when I try to launch firefox I get error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [12:09] <CiRkiT> I cant find the libgtk to apt-get [12:09] <Amaranth> CiRkiT: breezy? [12:09] <xf_> hmm, won't it require udev patches? [12:10] <dazjorz> hello [12:10] <dazjorz> erm [12:10] <CiRkiT> Hmm? [12:10] <LlukaX> hey all [12:10] <CiRkiT> How can I install libgtk-x11 ? [12:10] <LlukaX> has anyone had their system hang at boot at "starting hotplug subsystem" > [12:11] <dazjorz> i'm getting the error "Invalid Release file: No entry for Main/~Release/Packages [12:11] <dazjorz> " [12:11] <dazjorz> !tell dazjorz about releasefile [12:11] <dazjorz> !tell dazjorz about release [12:12] <dazjorz> darn [12:12] <dazjorz> someoen [12:12] <dazjorz> Seveas ? [12:12] <dazjorz> are you here ? [12:14] <dazjorz> Comon [12:14] <Seveas> dazjorz, did you create your own repository? [12:15] <dazjorz> Seveas: Not that I know... [12:15] <dazjorz> Seveas: I just chose the Dutch installation server... nl.archive.ubuntu.com [12:16] <PM-aSeepin> ChurcH_of_FoamY: i fixed the permissions on the repository.. everything under http://www.daede.com/foamy is now readable.. remember im only keeping the episodes online for 24 hours [12:16] <dazjorz> Seveas: Private ? [12:16] <Seveas> dazjorz, that actuallty is the same as the standard server :) [12:16] <Seveas> dazjorz, ok [12:17] <jtgameover> how do you enable keyboard shortcuts in general? [12:17] <jtgameover> rox says something about using an XSettings manager, i.e. gnome-settings-daemon [12:17] <jtgameover> which i already use [12:17] <synnfest> I'm feeling more and more like I should've stayed with XP everytime I ask this (this makes 4 times in 24 hours in this chat alone), but does anyone know why firefox and epiphany lock up for no reason? [12:17] <jtgameover> but i would like to enable keyboard shortcuts in general? [12:17] <dazjorz> Seveas: Look at private plz [12:18] <jtgameover> synnfest, what's the problem? [12:18] <jtgameover> how does it "lock up: [12:18] <Seveas> dazjorz, please have some patience :) [12:18] <nariman> how do i install codes that work with "totem media player"? [12:18] <jtgameover> !media [12:18] <ubotu> No idea, jtgameover [12:18] <jtgameover> !restrictedformats [12:18] <ubotu> restrictedformats is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs' [12:18] <jtgameover> nariman, go there [12:19] <anacron> can someone help me install wlan drivers via ssh or something, i can't get it work, if i modprobe ndiswrapper i get two errors and i can't get madwifi work either [12:20] <jfk303> what browser is the least demanding on system resources [12:20] <sJaM> lynx, jfk303 [12:21] <jfk303> sJaM, is that text based? [12:21] <sJaM> jip [12:21] <Madpilot> !chthulhu [12:21] <ubotu> Madpilot: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [12:22] <tiago> hi every one [12:22] <Madpilot> cthulhu [12:22] <Madpilot> !cthulhu [12:22] <ubotu> Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'Lyeh Wgah'nagl Fhtagn, madpilot! [12:22] <tiago> i made a big boo boo and need some profesional help [12:22] <starfishy> what did you do? [12:22] <Madpilot> tiago: ask away [12:22] <starfishy> rm -rf / ? [12:22] <tiago> well i was running xp and ubuntu as a dual boot [12:23] <PM-aSeepin> yeah it sucks when that happens [12:23] <tiago> and it was using grub to manage my partition [12:23] <Madpilot> starfishy: that doesn't actually work, except to screw up /home/$user ;) [12:23] <tiago> then i instaled windows vista beta 1 [12:23] <PM-aSeepin> Madpilot: it does too work (if you're root) [12:23] <PM-aSeepin> tiago: pir8 [12:23] <PM-aSeepin> :> [12:23] <tiago> xD [12:23] <Madpilot> PM-aSeepin: sure, of if you append "sudo", but in either case you deserve it! [12:24] <starfishy> madpilot: try it as root [12:24] <tiago> any way it stoped grbu from being my boot loader [12:24] <starfishy> or even better [12:24] <PM-aSeepin> tiago: here's what you do [12:24] <Madpilot> I never log in as root. there is no root account on this machine.... [12:24] <PM-aSeepin> put in the install cd [12:24] <PM-aSeepin> reboot [12:25] <starfishy> i never log in as root but there is a root account on my machine [12:25] <anacron> Madpilot: or is it that you don't know the password for it and use sudo instead [12:25] <starfishy> and i daresay unless you deleted it on purpose there is one on your machine too [12:25] <PM-aSeepin> at the boot: prompt, type: linux init=/bin/bash [12:25] <starfishy> which would break a lot of things [12:25] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows <-- will this work with Vista Beta? I assume so [12:25] <PM-aSeepin> that will drop you into a root shell [12:25] <PM-aSeepin> Madpilot: yes, it will\ [12:26] <PM-aSeepin> do what he just said [12:26] <tiago> thanx guys [12:26] <anacron> where can i paste my ndiswrapper error? [12:26] <tiago> i did some thing bad though [12:26] <Madpilot> !paste [12:26] <ubotu> somebody said paste was please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text [12:26] <tiago> i used partition magic to set my root partition as the one to boot from... now it says no os [12:27] <tiago> wont even let me use windows [12:27] <tiago> will this fix that too? [12:27] <starfishy> that doesnt surprise me [12:27] <dazjorz> [12:27] <tiago> yes... i have been a bad little n00b [12:27] <starfishy> you need to have a boot manager either in your MBR or in the root partition [12:27] <starfishy> there is no other way [12:28] <PM-aSeepin> bed [12:28] <PM-aSeepin> now [12:28] <PM-aSeepin> g'nite [12:28] <dazjorz> goodnight [12:28] <PM-aSeepin> (fsckers) [12:28] <tiago> thanx mate... goodnight [12:28] <starfishy> if you reinstall your boot manager you will be able to boot windows too [12:28] <tiago> why doess windows hate linux so much it has to do this? [12:29] <tiago> why does it allways have to be linux job to keep the peace? [12:29] <som1> i got the nvidia-glx thingie, edited xorg.conf (yes, just like the readme said, tripple checked) and added it to /etc/modules. i cant start opengl and it worked before. any reason why? [12:29] <starfishy> gates hates everyone [12:29] <PM-aSeepin> it doesnt.... it just doesnt take into account the possibility for a non-ms os ony our system [12:29] <starfishy> his revenge for being picked upon as a nerd in highschool [12:29] <tiago> but his gotten laid now... cant he just let al that hatred go? [12:30] <starfishy> windows doesn't take into account anything you don't pay Microsoft for [12:30] <PM-aSeepin> exactly [12:30] <dazjorz> [12:30] <som1> erm.. he's doing whatever a giant company would do when it sees a threat [12:30] <Seveas> dazjorz, stop shouting... [12:30] <dazjorz> Seveas: Sorry but I need some attention for that [12:30] <som1> do i need to add 'glx' on /etc/modules? [12:30] <starfishy> well, a really smart company would at least make it look as if they are cooperating [12:30] <som1> hint it worked before .. ? [12:31] <PM-aSeepin> no they wouldnt [12:31] <tiago> one would hope so [12:31] <anacron> can you guys help with wlan? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1017 [12:31] <starfishy> Microsoft isnt that big because they are smart, but because they were in the right place in the right time [12:31] <PM-aSeepin> name one really smart company in history that did that and stayed on top [12:31] <som1> enough fighting as if u understand microsoft tactics [12:31] <som1> starfishy its big because they were using the right tactic, until now [12:31] <Seveas> tiago,PM-aSeepin: Please keep the code of conduct in mind when chatting here. You can find it at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct [12:31] <som1> look at every big company [12:31] <som1> and find out how it became big [12:31] <som1> of course they were at the right place, wouldve gotten no where [12:31] <PM-aSeepin> pfffffffffft. im goin to bed [12:31] <som1> but they keep up with that [12:32] <tiago> Seveas, what did i do wrong? [12:33] <starfishy> i better go to bed [12:33] <starfishy> nite everyone [12:34] <dazjorz> goodnight [12:34] <anacron> help with the wlan? anyone? [12:34] <tiago> good night starfishy [12:34] <ilba7r> anacron what is your prob [12:34] <anacron> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1017 [12:34] <dazjorz> [12:36] <ilba7r> anacron did you uninstall the old ndiswrapper [12:36] <som1> do i need to add glx on /etc/moduels? [12:36] <nariman> is there a way to "see" ntfs partitions? [12:36] <anacron> ilba7r: what do you mean by that? [12:36] <som1> nariman mount -t ntfs [12:36] <dazjorz> +o( [12:36] <som1> or mount_ntfs [12:36] <nariman> ok, thanls [12:36] <ilba7r> anacron you might have it already installed and configured wait i will give you a link to a howto [12:37] <nariman> soml, where does it pop up after the command? [12:37] <jtgameover> does anyone here use rox-filer? [12:39] <asfra> hi, can anybody tell me how to shift between kde and gnome? thanks [12:39] <ilba7r> anacron what is your output when you type ndiswrapper -l [12:39] <sinferno> does bzip usually take a really long time to unzip files [12:39] <sinferno> or bunzip2 i should say [12:39] <tiago> excuse me guys... i have been trying to follow that guide for recovering... and i have run into a problem [12:40] <dazjorz> sinferno: That depends on the archive ^^ [12:40] <deFrysk> asfra, coose kde or gnome with kdm/gdm [12:40] <raven3x7> about k3b anyone? [12:40] <deFrysk> choose# [12:40] <sinferno> dazjorz, its like 300 megs and its taking forever [12:40] <dazjorz> sinferno: Yes, thats normal. [12:40] <sinferno> dazjorz, i couldnt extract with file roller thing so i tired bunzip2 from terminal [12:40] <ilba7r> asfara that in the login in screen under session [12:40] <tiago> my windows partition is set as hidden ntfs partition [12:40] <som1> dazjorz repeats? or once [12:40] <sinferno> dazjorz, i like went and made a sandwich and it was still extracting [12:40] <Madpilot> dazjorz: spamming the group with requests to help isn't likely to work... [12:40] <Sconk> okay i got a server remote hosted whits have installed Fedora Core 4 is there a way to remote reinstall it whit ubuntu? [12:40] <asfra> ok, thanks guys [12:41] <dazjorz> som1: Huh ? [12:41] <som1> never mind [12:41] <dazjorz> yea guys sorry but if nobodies gonna answer ?? [12:41] <dazjorz> nobody's** [12:41] <Sconk> and what version is the stabel? [12:42] <li> maman [12:42] <som1> i have installed nvidia-glx, edited the xorg.conf file, edited /etc/modules, i even rebooted since then and i cant start opengl [12:42] <Seveas> dazjorz, mailing lists, forums..... [12:42] <Madpilot> dazjorz: try again in a couple of hours. trying every two minutes isn't going to work... [12:42] <dazjorz> Seveas: Did that already. [12:42] <Seveas> dazjorz, google, wiki... [12:43] <dazjorz> Madpilot: I just need to know what could be the segmentation fault. I think its has not much to do with the executable itself, since it can start, give a screen, but once it starts loading modules... [12:43] <dazjorz> there must be something wrong with one of the modules, i wanted to ask what could be wrong [12:43] <li> j'ai envie de vomir [12:43] <Snippy> hello everyone [12:43] <dazjorz> they are .so files [12:44] <dazjorz> i compiled only 2 myself [12:44] <dazjorz> so,... [12:44] <ilba7r> anacron if you are here here is a thread to uninstall the ndiswrapper http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683&highlight=bcm [12:44] <tiago> hello... can i get some assitance please? [12:44] <li> yes [12:44] <Seveas> tiago, sure, with what? [12:45] <Snippy> tiago, just ask your question :) [12:45] <crank> hi [12:45] <tiago> im trying to fix my grub boot loader [12:45] <ilba7r> anacron and here is a thread on how to install ndiswrapper https://wiki.ubuntu.com//SetupNdiswrapperHowto [12:45] <anacron> ilba7r: ndidwrapper -l = ntedlwl [12:45] <tiago> im running a live cd right now [12:45] <tiago> its telling me to mout my / and /boot... but i dont have a /boot i dont think [12:46] <Seveas> tiago, wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [12:46] <Seveas> if you have no separate /boot partition, you can safely skip that step [12:46] <crank> how do i install a speedtouch modem correctly... i tried this but it didn't work: http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ubuntu/index.html [12:46] <tiago> thats what im reading Seveas [12:46] <waxhead> hi everyone [12:46] <crank> hi [12:46] <Seveas> then skip the step that tells you to mount /boot :) [12:47] <tiago> thanx [12:48] <crank> can someone tell me how to open root [12:48] <crank> pls [12:48] <Seveas> be a bit more specific [12:48] <Seveas> there is no such thing as 'opening root' [12:49] <crank> well let me explain, i have an alcatel speedtouch modem, and ubuntu can't find that [12:49] <crank> i need to install drivers [12:50] <crank> i tried this: http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ubuntu/index.html [12:50] <Seveas> you use sudo to get root privileges [12:50] <Seveas> sudo -i goves you a root shell [12:50] <crank> k [12:51] <crank> but i get something about gethostbyname() not working (i don't remember if it's right) [12:51] <Seveas> hmm, then your /etc/hosts is probably bad [12:52] <crank> yeh i know [12:52] <Seveas> can you paste that file on the pastebin please [12:52] <sinferno> ok so i cant install heroes cause i dont have root in the /user/local so i run the install as root, do i have to run the game as root every time now in order to keep my settings? [12:52] <Snippy> I've got a problem.. with sound again.. when I play a mp3.. the sound is just fine how it should be.. but some other sounds like the gnome desktop sounds are choppy somehow, how can I fix this ? [12:52] <sinferno> i tried to chown the /usr/local/games/Heroes III folder [12:52] <sinferno> but it still says needs 5mb of space lol [12:53] <crank> Seveas i can't, i have to swith between ubuntu and windows all the time to connect to the internet... (partitions ;)) [12:53] <Seveas> there is an ext3 reader for windows :) [12:54] <crank> the file isn't changed, it's still the same from installing ubuntu [12:55] <Seveas> yeah, but i've seen it being mysteriously wrong for several people already [12:55] <crank> what should i kinda look like [12:55] <Seveas> there should be a line with 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain your_hostname [12:55] <Seveas> where your_hostname is of course your actual hostname :) [12:56] <Seveas> if the your-hostname bit is missing, sudo will b0rk [12:56] <Seveas> and somehow it is missing sometimes [12:56] <crank> it isn't there as far as i remember [12:56] <aly> bjr!on parle francais ici? [12:56] <crank> how can i edit the file? [12:57] <tiago> Seveas, im stuck again [12:57] <crank> or replace it... [12:58] <Madpilot> !fr [12:58] <ubotu> fr is probably Va a #ubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais [12:58] <endee> who can help me with installing alsa drivers ? i'm stuck with it [12:59] <Seveas> crank, boot into recovey mode and edit it there [12:59] <crank> ow k thx [12:59] <crank> i'll try l8er, g2g to work [01:00] <Kev0r> Seveas: i reprogrammed g-v-m to give me choices when plugging in an usb stick :P [01:00] <Raptoid> selamlar.. [01:01] <Seveas> Kev0r, nice [01:01] <tiago> Seveas, if i type /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda in terminal will it reinstal grub? [01:01] <Kev0r> thanks :) and i removed the options for DIGICAM [01:01] <Seveas> Kev0r, write your tricks down on the wiki so others can benefit from them too :) [01:01] <Kev0r> hmm, ok url? [01:01] <Seveas> tiago, it just might do that :) [01:01] <tiago> becouse grub is still in /boot/grub/ [01:01] <Seveas> Kev0r, wiki.ubuntu.com [01:01] <tiago> and its still configured corectly [01:01] <tiago> what should i do? [01:02] <tiago> i just want to tell my computer to use grub as my boot manager i dont realy want to reinstall it [01:03] <dazjorz> jesus [01:03] <pfp> that basically means reinstalling grub, tiago :) [01:03] <dazjorz> someone has a good PlayStation 2 emulator for me ? [01:03] <tiago> but then dont i have to manual configure it? [01:04] <pfp> well, reinstalling to the bootsector, not reinstalling with apt etc [01:04] <tiago> grubs allreayd installed its just windows made its crappy bootloader defult... isent there an easyer way to do this? [01:04] <snippy_> I've got a problem.. with sound again.. when I play a mp3.. the sound is just fine how it should be.. but some other sounds like the gnome desktop sounds are choppy somehow, how can I fix this ? [01:05] <mind> dazjorz, there is no good ps2 emulator out there.. for a reason :) [01:05] <tiago> root@mepis1:/ # /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda [01:05] <tiago> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. [01:06] <PuGz> hey guys... i have just switch to ubuntu on my ibm thinkpad laptop [01:06] <PuGz> i have used ubuntu before [01:06] <PuGz> i am using breezy [01:06] <dazjorz> mind: A reason ? [01:06] <omeg> PuGz: I thought Breezy was unstable [01:07] <mind> yes, its too new.. it takes time to develop an emulator that can play commercial games. the second reason, why emulate something that can still be bought [01:07] <PuGz> i am trying to get 3 things working - ATI fglrx drivers for graphics acceleration, atheros ath_pci drivers for my wireless, and for some reason, ctrl+alt+f1 doesnt take me to the consoles... [01:07] <omeg> mind: because then you don't have to buy it? :p [01:07] <PuGz> omeg, it is [01:07] <dazjorz> mind: Have you tried pcsx2 [01:07] <dazjorz> I agree, omeg [01:07] <mind> yes [01:07] <tiago> im going to cry... this is so confusing... how do i know which hard drive is hda3? [01:07] <omeg> Also, the PS2 can't be properly emulated because it's apparently got one of the most insane architectures ever. [01:07] <dazjorz> mind: Does it start for you ? [01:08] <omeg> (can't be properly emulated yet) [01:08] <tiago> is it hd0,3? [01:08] <HappyFool> tiago: no, probably hd0,2 [01:08] <pfp> tiago: it's hd0,2 [01:08] <PuGz> can anyone help with any of those? [01:08] <PuGz> 1st off... why does ctrl+alt+f1 work? [01:08] <dazjorz> mind: I need the plugins files and the pcsx2 executable, because in one of these files is a segmentation fault here [01:08] <PuGz> (ie take me to a 1st console) [01:08] <HappyFool> PuGz: if you're using breezy, not many of us will be able to help [01:09] <PuGz> oh... so it is very recommended that you use hoary for now? [01:09] <HappyFool> PuGz: indeed [01:09] <PuGz> ok... will do! [01:09] <deFrysk> PuGz, soo /topic [01:09] <HappyFool> PuGz: breezy is still pre-release [01:09] <deFrysk> see* [01:09] <pfp> tiago: i've used the grub shell to re-install grub... ie, start it with "sudo grub", then enter a few commands [01:09] <PuGz> i'll be back in 30 mins if its not working [01:09] <snippy_> when will ot come out? oct ? [01:09] <omeg> I sure hope Breezy will get a proper installation interface... [01:09] <PuGz> is there any way i can downgrade to hoary? [01:09] <HappyFool> yes, october [01:09] <snippy_> I hope they fix the sound issues o_O [01:10] <PuGz> does hoary have openoffice.org 2? [01:10] <deFrysk> october and april are always the releasemonths [01:10] <PuGz> beta? [01:10] <tiglionabbit> heeey guys, I just wrote something, tell me what you think. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FlashPlayerStandalone [01:10] <omeg> And add a few more options to the screen resolution dialog. Like BPP, and a button to test the set-up with, just in case you end up with a garbled screen. [01:10] <tiago> ok guys let me reboot my pc and ill be back if every thing was succesful t thank you all [01:10] <Amaranth> PuGz: and older version of the OOo2 betas, yeah [01:10] <PuGz> cool [01:10] <PuGz> cyas [01:11] <mind> dazjorz, look at http://www.pcsx2.net/compatibility.php and decide for yourself wether you want to go through that trouble [01:11] <omeg> Another thing I'm hoping for in Breezy (kind of obscure) is a function to make screensavers not use more than n amount of CPU power. [01:11] <omeg> Random screensavers is neat, but if it happens to pick one that puts my laptop in 100% cpu usage, it'll start to make a lot of noise. [01:12] <tiglionabbit> omeg: perhaps you must sift through them all and find the right ones [01:12] <deFrysk> omeg, just turn of the resource using screensavers [01:12] <omeg> "turn off the resource using screensavers" ?? [01:12] <deFrysk> yes [01:12] <omeg> what do you mean by that? [01:12] <tiglionabbit> any comments on my flashplayer thingamabob? [01:12] <mind> omeg, start xscreensaver with "nice" and set the cpu scaling daemon to ignore "niceified" processes [01:13] <snippy_> hey what FONT are you guys using in IRC ? [01:13] <omeg> that doesn't sound like something a non-hacker can do [01:13] <ilba7r> just a quick question is there an application like kdevelop under gnome? [01:13] <mind> omeg, that sounds like reading, not like hacking [01:13] <tiglionabbit> snippy_: what? Font? hmm? [01:13] <moshe> hello [01:14] <omeg> I think one of the things that's really important for Ubuntu to become a serious desktop alternative is making the entire system so that you don't regularly have to do hacker stuff. [01:14] <moshe> which file does ubuntu log ssh logins to? [01:14] <snippy_> I use monospace too [01:14] <snippy_> but it has a bad quality somehow [01:14] <pfp> omeg: system/preferences/screensaver lets you choose the random screensavers [01:14] <HappyFool> omeg: how about the 'blank' screensaver then? That's pretty easy [01:14] <Amaranth> omeg: that's always a goal [01:14] <omeg> Yeah, sure [01:14] <Amaranth> omeg: If you have to open a terminal, Ubuntu has failed. [01:14] <deFrysk> turn screessaver of is also a nice option [01:15] <omeg> I wouldn't go as far as to say that, Amaranth. [01:15] <deFrysk> snippy_, then try another [01:15] <tiglionabbit> that's what some people think. I personally love the teminal. It's a lot better than windows' terminal [01:15] <tiglionabbit> and there are tons of applications written to run completely in it [01:15] <omeg> I mean, terminals should always stay just in case, but it should be reduced to an absolute minimum and only in case something goes horribly wrong, or you ARE a hacker who likes to tweak stuff. [01:15] <snippy_> deFrysk, I did.. but I cant find a good one [01:15] <Amaranth> omeg, tiglionabbit: I said 'have' to. It's fine if opening a terminal is more convienent (sp?) for you. [01:15] <HappyFool> tiglionabbit: interesting. i don't think i'm going to download and compile wine, but if I had to view a lot of flash, i'd consider it [01:16] <snippy_> isnt there Arial ? lol [01:16] <Amaranth> omeg, tiglionabbit: But if the terminal is the _only_ way you can do something, something is broken. [01:16] <omeg> Yeah. [01:16] <tiglionabbit> HappyFool: thanks. I use apt to compile wine though, so it's not too difficult [01:16] <dazjorz> GODDDAMMIt [01:16] <deFrysk> snippy_, *I always liked comic sans ms [01:16] <omeg> I agree with that. [01:16] <dazjorz> sorry [01:16] <dazjorz> this is now like the 10th time i'm trying to install Ubuntu [01:16] <dazjorz> and EVERY TIME I GET ERROR THIS ERROR THAT [01:16] <dazjorz> argggh [01:16] <snippy_> deFrysk, I dont like this one [01:16] <omeg> Amaranth: I think it was pretty strange when someone had to walk me through editing text files and using apt-get just so I could install video codecs. [01:16] <HappyFool> everytime your caps lock gets stuck, eh ? [01:17] <tiglionabbit> HappyFool: oops, I'm misleading, aren't I? That one command will do all of the downloading and compiling for you. I'll edit that [01:17] <Zalbor> I'm currently using Fedora. I want to try Ubuntu and tried the DVD's live. I need to make the modem initialize with the ATX3 command, but I can't find out how to. [01:17] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Heya [01:17] <dazjorz> HappyFool: I need your help again [01:17] <omeg> But I'm fine with it right now since Ubuntu is still not in final stages yet. [01:17] <HappyFool> dazjorz: hi [01:17] <HappyFool> dazjorz: what's the problem? [01:17] <Amaranth> omeg: Of course you had to do a lot of work, you were doing something illegal. [01:17] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Ubuntu fails installing again on the server [01:17] <dazjorz> arrrgh [01:17] <omeg> Argh, codecs are considered illegal now? [01:17] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Error this error that, blabla [01:17] <omeg> XviD and x264 are open source... [01:18] <snippy_> I've got a problem.. with sound again.. when I play a mp3.. the sound is just fine how it should be.. but some other sounds like the gnome desktop sounds are choppy somehow, how can I fix this ? [01:18] <HappyFool> dazjorz: ok, how are you installing? and on what hardware? [01:18] <dazjorz> HappyFool: When I start the installation of Ubuntu I have to do: cd /usr/bin && ln -s udpkg dpkg [01:18] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Otherwise it fails installing. [01:18] <Amaranth> omeg: aside from patent issues those are fine [01:18] <HappyFool> dazjorz: err [01:18] <Amaranth> omeg: but w32codecs and such are so illegal it's sad [01:18] <HappyFool> dazjorz: where do you do that? [01:19] <Frafra> excuseme, are the backports for amd64 ufficial? [01:19] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Now when I'm installing the kernel, it fails with an error and screen 3 says that restricted-modules failed installing. [01:19] <omeg> :( [01:19] <dazjorz> HappyFool: On tty2 [01:19] <Zalbor> How can I make the modem connection initialize with ATX3? [01:19] <omeg> That's a major setback. [01:19] <HappyFool> dazjorz: where did you get that info from? [01:19] <omeg> But still, then I don't see a reason to not have XviD and x264 in Synaptic. [01:19] <bateau> how do i mount networkdrives? [01:19] <HappyFool> dazjorz: please tell me what your hardware is [01:19] <dazjorz> HappyFool: What info? That command? Myself [01:19] <omeg> And doesn't the XviD fourcc allow DivX decompression? [01:19] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Pentium MMX, 128 MB RAM, 2 harddrives [01:20] <dazjorz> HappyFool: 1 is /dev/hda, 6 GB, 2 partitions, 1: /boot, 2: not mounted (backup) [01:20] <Juhaz> omeg, mpeg4 is patent ridden, not legally safe in "land of the free" [01:20] <HappyFool> dazjorz: you're using the normal hoary install cd? [01:20] <michounet> hello all [01:20] <dazjorz> HappyFool: 2 is /dev/hde (behind controller), 40 GB, 2 partitions, 1: /, 2: swap [01:20] <Amaranth> omeg: by default only main and restricted are turned on because universe and multiverse 1) have patent issues and 2) aren't supported [01:20] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Yes. [01:20] <Zalbor> Can anyone tell me how to do what I asked? [01:21] <michounet> i have a big problem with my tuner tv card, i have an screen but not sound :( help me please!! my card is an saa7134 [01:21] <omeg> Yeah, but still... DivX, XviD and x264 can all be downloaded for free, legally. Including them by default would be easy for people using Ubuntu. People who want to watch videos but aren't able to edit text files and update their packages. [01:21] <michounet> (i'm french, sorry for my english :)) [01:22] <dazjorz> HappyFool: I'm using the hoary installation CD that i ordered. I've got 15 cd's, they give the same error. [01:22] <dazjorz> michounet: je parle un peu de francais ^^ [01:22] <HappyFool> dazjorz: do you have any idea what's causing the problem? [01:22] <Random_Sindrom> je auussi [01:22] <_tiago> hey guys, listen thanks for the help with the grub problem [01:22] <michounet> :d [01:22] <michounet> oh yeahhh [01:22] <Zalbor> How can I make the modem connection initialize with ATX3? [01:22] <_tiago> unfortunatly its not the end of my problems [01:22] <dazjorz> HappyFool: I think its the CD-ROM drive, but i'm not sure. When I try to install with net_retriever, it fails too. [01:23] <Random_Sindrom> michounet: try killing esd [01:23] <dazjorz> Random_Sindrom: moi aussi :p [01:23] <michounet> i' had try eyt [01:23] <michounet> but ,ot... [01:23] <michounet> not* [01:23] <HappyFool> dazjorz: have you tried booting with the live cd? Just to check if ubuntu can see all your hardware (e.g., your ide controller) [01:23] <Random_Sindrom> dazjorz: ,o) [01:23] <_tiago> my windows partition is now set to hiden for some reason and wont boot... [01:23] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Gonna try now :) [01:24] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Standby. Be right back. [01:24] <Zalbor> Does no one know (which I think is unlikely) or am I being ignored? [01:24] <HappyFool> Zalbor: i'm not sure, but i see a 'modeminit' entry in my /etc/chatscripts files [01:25] <HappyFool> Zalbor: maybe you can add 'ATX3' there; be sure to backup whatever file you change first [01:25] <_tiago> Zalbor: im getting the same feeling as you [01:25] <LlukaX> hey can someone help me, my box wont recognize any usb [01:25] <LlukaX> it also locks up at boot "starting hotplug subsystem" [01:25] <HappyFool> _tiago: you need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to tell it about the windows partition [01:25] <engie> Hi. Is there a breezy install CD yet? [01:25] <Zalbor> I think I have to tamper with a file of PPPD [01:25] <HappyFool> _tiago: however, i thought ubuntu had a 'update-grub' script which would do that for you [01:26] <_tiago> grubs working fine now [01:26] <HappyFool> Zalbor: i think pppd uses chat for dialing; i may be wrong [01:26] <_tiago> the thing is that widnows isent [01:26] <HappyFool> _tiago: yes, but you need to tell grub about windows [01:26] <michounet> nobody has an idee for my problem? [01:26] <Zalbor> I guess I'll try that... Thanks for now [01:26] <dazjorz> HappyFool: By the way, I need to use modprobe 3c509 at boot, otherwise it will not recognise my network card. Is that a problem ? [01:27] <_tiago> grub manages to get the windows loading screenup... but then windows brings up an error [01:27] <Random_Sindrom> Llukax: you have to add some line to a file [01:27] <Random_Sindrom> in on the hoary guide [01:27] <_tiago> is there any way to change the nfts status so its not hidden ntfs partition? [01:27] <LlukaX> hmm? [01:27] <LlukaX> where is the hoary guide? [01:28] <teprrr> is X still broken in breezy? [01:28] <Seveas> yes [01:28] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Private OK ? [01:28] <HappyFool> dazjorz: i don't know [01:28] <teprrr> okay [01:28] <Seveas> LlukaX, wiki.ubuntu.com [01:28] <HappyFool> dazjorz: err, i guess [01:28] <_tiago> i booted into windows vista and i cant see my windows xp partition... its hiding [01:28] <HappyFool> dazjorz: this problem sounds over my head, though, so it might be better to keep things here [01:29] <_tiago> though i can still access it in linux [01:29] <LlukaX> :/ [01:29] <Random_Sindrom> LlukaX: http://ubuntuguide.org [01:29] <LlukaX> ah [01:29] <LlukaX> thanx [01:29] <_tiago> lol kinda ironic... linux can so a ntfs partition thats hidden to another windows os [01:29] <Seveas> !ubuntuguide [01:29] <ubotu> hmm... ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why. [01:29] <Seveas> Random_Sindrom, LlukaX ^-- [01:29] <_tiago> so does any one think they can help me? [01:30] <samu> is it possible to listen to podcasts through ubuntu somehow? [01:30] <_tiago> im sure it was partition magic that coused this problem... i might need to install partition magic under windows vista to try and solve it... unless there is a way under linux [01:30] <LlukaX> ? [01:30] <concept10> What is this guy talking about windows vista for? [01:31] <_tiago> i cant view my xp partition under vista... [01:31] <Seveas> !vista [01:31] <ubotu> methinks vista is Viruses, Insecurities, Trojans, Spyware, Adware [01:31] <_tiago> lol [01:31] <LlukaX> ok so ium adding a line to what? [01:31] <Amaranth> ubotu: no, vista is the next version of windows [01:31] <ubotu> Amaranth: okay [01:31] <Seveas> _tiago, is the partition type set to ntfs? [01:31] <Amaranth> ubotu: lock vista [01:31] <ubotu> Amaranth: locking factoid vista [01:31] <Kev0r> !vista [01:31] <ubotu> vista is, like, the next version of windows [01:31] <LlukaX> this guide mentions nothing about hotplug :( [01:31] <_tiago> rofl [01:32] <Seveas> _tiago, and didn't you hide it with grub? [01:32] <dazjorz> LOL :: Where to order Ubuntu CDs for absolutely FREE? :: @ ubuntuguide.org ==> For absolutely free ?! [01:32] <_tiago> how can grub effect an ntfs partition in a another windows os if its only a boot loader? [01:32] <traveller> what's a good tv app? [01:33] <Kev0r> yes dazjorz i ordered 20 [01:33] <_tiago> grubs working fine now [01:33] <dazjorz> KevOr: I mean [01:33] <LlukaX> _tiago, it can make you lose your ntldr [01:33] <dazjorz> KevOr: I did too, but i mean look at the sentance [01:33] <_tiago> i think it was when i used partition magic under windows to set my ext3 root parition as the boot partition for my pc that it hid C: in the process [01:33] <dazjorz> "For absolutely free" [01:34] <dazjorz> its either "Absolutely free" or "For absolutely nothing" [01:34] <_tiago> oh so is there any way to unhide it now? [01:34] <Kev0r> :/ [01:34] <_tiago> i can view it in linux [01:34] <_tiago> its mounted [01:34] <Seveas> _tiago, remove the hide commands from menu.lst :) [01:34] <magneto> anyone familiar with emifreq-applet [01:34] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Live system is booting, it prepared the session already [01:34] <_tiago> where is that file located? [01:34] <equex> anyone else having problem with the OS freezing ? using the 2.6.10-5-k7 kernel [01:35] <equex> the os freezes about once a day [01:35] <concept10> _tiago, I hope youre not trolling to let everyone know you have Windows vista [01:35] <equex> have to hard reboot [01:35] <endee> endee [01:35] <magneto> !emifreq [01:35] <ubotu> Wish i knew, magneto [01:35] <magneto> !emifreq-applet [01:35] <ubotu> magneto: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [01:35] <_tiago> concept10: im not that sad and lacking a social life [01:36] <concept10> _tiago, thanks. [01:36] <_tiago> hundreds of thousends of people have windows vista... its no big deal... i found ubuntu more exciting [01:36] <endee> is there a way to run CS:S on linux ? [01:36] <_tiago> i just want to be able to use my windows xp again [01:36] <_tiago> becouse i have home work on there [01:36] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Hotplug takes a long time [01:37] <_tiago> so... umm where is this file i must edit to unhide hda1? [01:37] <HappyFool> dazjorz: i think your Pentium MMX is relatively low-spec [01:37] <Random_Sindrom> LlukaX: edit /etc/hotplug/blacklist [01:37] <Random_Sindrom> add the file that hotplug ask for at booting [01:38] <dazjorz> HappyFool: But its not even working. I don't hear the harddisk nor the cdrom being used. [01:38] <HappyFool> dazjorz: hmm [01:38] <HappyFool> dazjorz: so it's frozen? [01:39] <dazjorz> HappyFool: I can still type. But it appears its doing nothing. [01:39] <anatole> re [01:39] <anatole> xcompmgr is amazing [01:39] <anatole> :) [01:41] <HappyFool> dazjorz: i'm not sure what to suggest. You said earlier you suspected your cd-rom? [01:41] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Yes, during the installation, it it read something from the cdrom, it failed. [01:41] <_tiago> can some one plz tell me how to edit menu.lst? [01:41] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Its going on now. [01:41] <HappyFool> _tiago: 'sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst' [01:41] <_tiago> ty [01:42] <dazjorz> _tiago: Or use vi [01:42] <dazjorz> maybe [01:42] <HappyFool> dazjorz: a Pentium MMX means about a 100MHz machine, right? i.e., fairly old? [01:42] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Yes [01:42] <_tiago> any thing else i can use to open it? [01:42] <HappyFool> _tiago: gedit [01:42] <petti> more like 150-233 [01:42] <_tiago> using gui perhaps? [01:42] <nightswim> mmx goes upto 233 [01:42] <nightswim> and starts at 166 [01:42] <nightswim> perhaps even more than 233 [01:42] <HappyFool> _tiago: 'sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst' [01:43] <dazjorz> HappyFool: I have a black screen with a cursor now. [01:43] <HappyFool> _tiago: editing that file is not a typical user activity [01:43] <jade> anyone know how to apt-get mplayer? i want to play a .mov file [01:43] <_tiago> im going to blow some thing up arnt i? [01:44] <_tiago> if i edit that file will i be able to unhide the hda1 partition? [01:44] <dazjorz> HappyFool: It seems to be frozen now. [01:44] <HappyFool> _tiago: i have no idea [01:44] <HappyFool> _tiago: it sounds like you should be asking windows vista experts these questions [01:44] <HappyFool> dazjorz: can you test your cd-rom in anyway? [01:44] <_tiago> its got nothing to do with vista... its got to do with xp [01:45] <HappyFool> _tiago: ok, windows xp experts [01:45] <_tiago> maybe even partition magic [01:45] <Kev0r> didn't know this was #microsoft [01:45] <_tiago> i think thats what done this in the first place [01:45] <_tiago> hey thats mean [01:45] <_tiago> im in ubuntu now arnt i? [01:45] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Ok, its working now, [01:45] <_tiago> thats the os that im running [01:45] <dazjorz> HappyFool: X Server couldn't start [01:45] <HappyFool> dazjorz: ok, but you've got a console? [01:45] <_tiago> ironicly its working problem free unlike windows [01:45] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Some file input/output error in FileToMem or something [01:45] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Lets see... [01:46] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Yes [01:47] <jade> hmm aparently mplayer doesnt work on ubuntu? [01:47] <HappyFool> jade: read the restrictedformats page on the wiki (see below): [01:47] <HappyFool> !restricted [01:47] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [01:47] <equex> i have it working jada [01:47] <jade> all i wanna do is play a .mov file :) [01:47] <petti> mplayer works just fine thanks [01:48] <HappyFool> jade: that page will tell you how to install media players [01:48] <jade> thanks HappyFool [01:48] <dazjorz> HappyFool: I have a console, yes. [01:48] <HappyFool> dazjorz: you managed to login? [01:48] <dazjorz> HappyFool: I'm logged in as Ubuntu. How do I login as Root? What is the password ? [01:49] <HappyFool> dazjorz: hmm. try logging in as 'root' with no password, or we can try 'sudo' [01:49] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Or what is the password for sudo ? [01:49] <HappyFool> dazjorz: probably blank [01:49] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Root and no password doesnt work. [01:49] <HappyFool> dazjorz: sudo and no password? [01:49] <jade> dazjorz: sudo takes ur usernames pass word [01:49] <HappyFool> jade: he's on the live cd [01:49] <thenuke> HappyFool: logging in as a root without password X-D [01:50] <jade> HappyFool: ahh k [01:50] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Sudo doesnt want a password here [01:50] <HappyFool> dazjorz: great [01:50] <DVSoftware> dazjorz, i've typed sudo passwd root [01:50] <DVSoftware> and defined root pass [01:50] <HappyFool> dazjorz: let's try 'fdisk -l' [01:50] <dazjorz> DVSoftware: Thanks, i'll try [01:50] <HappyFool> dazjorz: err, 'sudo fdisk -l' [01:50] <jade> ^^ [01:51] <HappyFool> dazjorz: that should list all partitions linux can find [01:51] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Ok. [01:51] <dazjorz> HappyFool: I'm on root now. I'll try [01:51] <dazjorz> Oh wait [01:51] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Is that i or L [01:51] <HappyFool> dazjorz: my idea is to try to see if ubuntu can see /dev/hde [01:51] <dazjorz> L [01:51] <dazjorz> l / I [01:51] <HappyFool> lowercase ell [01:51] <dazjorz> Thanks [01:51] <DVSoftware> L [01:52] <dazjorz> Hmm Can I use SSH on live mode? Because its a lot of information [01:52] <samu> so is it possible to listen to podcasts without iTunes? [01:52] <HappyFool> dazjorz: just give me a rough idea [01:53] <HappyFool> dazjorz: how many partitions, on what drives, etc. [01:53] <dazjorz> HappyFool: It sees both harddisks with the correct partitions [01:53] <HappyFool> dazjorz: ok [01:53] <dazjorz> =) [01:53] <HappyFool> dazjorz: i think we need some way to test your cd-rom [01:53] <dazjorz> Ok. [01:53] <HappyFool> dazjorz: but i'm not sure if we can eject the cd in live cd mode [01:54] <dazjorz> I think so [01:54] <dazjorz> HappyFool: I think so, the whole system is in RAM, i think [01:54] <HappyFool> dazjorz: ok, what we can try is run an md5sum check on the ubuntu install cd [01:54] <HappyFool> dazjorz: that should force your cd-rom to read the whole CD [01:55] <dazjorz> HappyFool: OK, is there a md5sum file that checks the whole cd ? [01:55] <HappyFool> dazjorz: yeah, in the cd's room [01:55] <doodz> I have a problem with my external monitor.. its attached to my laptop and when im viewing a movie i can only see "video" on my laptop and on the external monitor its just black. Any ideas? [01:55] <dazjorz> HappyFool: I'm gonna check it on the machine itself because I suspect the CD-ROM player. [01:55] <HappyFool> dazjorz: yeah, that's what i meant [01:55] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Root* [01:56] <HappyFool> dazjorz: the command is 'md5sum -c md5sum.txt' -- yes, root, not room ;) [01:56] <HappyFool> dazjorz: run that after mounting the cd [01:57] <dazjorz> HappyFool: I mounted the CD and it says its empty....???! [01:58] <HappyFool> dazjorz: hmm. You did issue a 'mount' command? [01:58] <dazjorz> mkdir cdmount && mount /dev/cdrom cdmount && cd cdmount [01:58] <dazjorz> ofcourse [01:58] <dazjorz> I did dir and it was empty [01:58] <dazjorz> ?! [01:58] <dazjorz> I also did this [01:58] <dazjorz> cd .. || umount cdmount || umount /dev/cdrom || mount /dev/cdrom cdmount || cd cdmount || dir [01:58] <dazjorz> still empty [01:59] <HappyFool> dazjorz: hmm [01:59] <HappyFool> dazjorz: what does plain 'mount' say? Does it think /dev/cdrom is mounted? [01:59] <HappyFool> dazjorz: and is /dev/cdrom correctly linked ? (to /dev/hdc, or maybe /dev/hdb) ? [02:00] <dazjorz> HappyFool: it says nothing about /dev/cdrom, but it says that /dev/hdb is mounted to /cdmount which is correct because the CD player is connected as primary IDE slave [02:00] <dazjorz> i thought... [02:00] <HappyFool> dazjorz: i'm at a loss [02:00] <dazjorz> me too [02:01] <HappyFool> dazjorz: unless this is some livecd weirdness [02:01] <dazjorz> maybe, it gave some strange errors [02:02] <HappyFool> ah [02:02] <dazjorz> at boot [02:02] <petti> enabling speedstep makes nasty breaks in this laptop. It's a pain to type when it suddenly misses a few characters [02:03] <dazjorz> HappyFool: If I run the installation on my own pc, it gives not any error, but on that PC, it gives an error about /usr/bin/dpkg that doesn't exist when installing the kernel. [02:03] <dazjorz> Thats why I used ln -s udpkg dpkg [02:03] <HappyFool> dazjorz: i don't follow 'installing the kernel' ? [02:03] <HappyFool> dazjorz: you mean installing a custom kernel? [02:03] <dazjorz> no [02:04] <dazjorz> When the ubuntu installer does 'base ubuntu install', it installs some kernel too, linux-386 i thought [02:04] <dazjorz> and it gives errors on that [02:04] <HappyFool> dazjorz: sounds right [02:04] <HappyFool> dazjorz: that is very suspicious [02:04] <som1> hm.. i got ubuntu again, got the nvidia-glx package, edited the xorg.conf file, /etc/modules and i cant start opengl.. any idea why? [02:05] <som1> when im not root - Error: Could not open /dev/nvidiactl because the permissions are too resticitive. Please see the FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS.. doc path is wrong, ive read it tho [02:05] <dazjorz> after a while it also gives a lot of errors about the release file: Incorrect Release File: Blabla Binary~/Packages [02:05] <HappyFool> dazjorz: i do not have a 'udpkg' file on my system (not that locate can find, anyway) [02:05] <dazjorz> som1, what about: chmod 0777 /dev/nvidiactl ?? [02:05] <som1> ..when i do use root [02:05] <HappyFool> dazjorz: was this a 'standard' install? [02:06] <dazjorz> Ye [02:06] <bateau> how do i mount networkdrives? [02:06] <dazjorz> Yes* [02:06] <som1> Sys_Erorr: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsysem [02:06] <som1> subsystem [02:06] <som1> :P [02:06] <dazjorz> HappyFool: In /usr/bin I did ls after it gave the error about /usr/bin/dpkg missing [02:06] <dazjorz> while the installation was running [02:07] <dazjorz> HappyFool: I saw a udpkg and made a symlink, which worked. [02:07] <dazjorz> The first time. [02:07] <dazjorz> Ok I'm gonna do installation again and tell you exactly what I do okay ? [02:07] <HappyFool> dazjorz: obviously such a hack should not be necessary [02:07] <HappyFool> dazjorz: i had no such problems [02:07] <broxtor> bateau: Have a look at ubuntuguide.org. It's explained in detail there. [02:07] <HappyFool> dazjorz: i'm afraid i'm off now [02:08] <som1> ..any ideas? [02:08] <HappyFool> dazjorz: perhaps you should report this as a bug [02:08] <dazjorz> HappyFool: I did [02:08] <HappyFool> dazjorz: i can only imagine you have some very strange hardware [02:08] <dazjorz> HappyFool: The only strange hardware I have is the controller. [02:08] <zyros> d [02:08] <dazjorz> HappyFool: I'll try to run the installer again. The only tricks I do are modprobe and symlink. [02:09] <dazjorz> HappyFool: The first time I do base install it asks what kernel to install and the only choice is linux-386 [02:09] <dazjorz> The second time it asks between linux-386 and linux-image-386 and another one [02:09] <zyros> hm [02:09] <HappyFool> dazjorz: this is a 'server' install, i presume? [02:09] <dazjorz> HappyFool: First time it was, but not anymore, no. [02:09] <HappyFool> dazjorz: because i get asked no questions at all [02:09] <dazjorz> HappyFool: its an `expert' install [02:09] <HappyFool> dazjorz: well, other than username etc [02:10] <HappyFool> dazjorz: ah. [02:10] <dazjorz> HappyFool: But that is needed [02:10] <wezzer-> quick question: How do I set up rule using iptables, to route every request at port 80 to port 8080 at interface eth1 [02:10] <wezzer-> ? [02:10] <dazjorz> HappyFool: Because I need to install GRUB to the MBR of /dev/hda, or it won't boot with /dev/hde as root. Thats not possible in the normal setup. [02:10] <lui> Hello everybody [02:10] <lui> Hello Seveas [02:10] <HappyFool> dazjorz: is it not possible to install /boot and / to /dev/hda, and later mount /home and maybe /usr and /var onto /dev/hde ? [02:11] <dazjorz> HappyFool: No, I did that before, and ran out of disk space on one dir. [02:11] <dazjorz> HappyFool: When I try to get diskspace from another partition to that dir, I lose files and the system doesnt work anymore [02:12] <dazjorz> Not as it should, i mean. [02:12] <dazjorz> I'll try to do a normal install, see what it does. [02:12] <Stormx> Heya I'm awake again! [02:12] <HappyFool> dazjorz: well, server install should only need 500MB, i think -- i'd do that, then rearrange partitions later [02:12] <zyros> d [02:13] <HappyFool> dazjorz: my impression is that /home, /var and /usr are the big space-takers [02:13] <HappyFool> dazjorz: anyway, i really must be going. good luck. [02:13] <Stormx> HappyFoo: Correct [02:13] <dazjorz> Thanks [02:14] <iddqd> i'm trying to play audio in xmms, but i only get feedback if i select esound. neither alsa nor oss work. i can't get audio in vlc either, any ideas how to fix this? [02:14] <iddqd> my audio is onboard, dont know how to find out what chipset [02:15] <lui> people, I'm trying to configure wxGTK-2.4.2 but the terminal puts me thins message: "configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH" what should I do? [02:15] <Stormx> OK Now I have a question. Can you mount something twice. I currently have /dev/hdb1 mounted on /mnt/windows. Can I mount /dev/hdb1/Music on /home/barney/music/ [02:15] <BusMaster> lui, install gcc [02:15] <Stormx> lui: You need a C-Compiler. gcc [02:15] <BusMaster> lui, apt-get install build-essentials [02:15] <Stormx> lui: You should also use synaptic and apt-get to download and install packages [02:16] <Stormx> apt get install build-essentials [02:16] <lui> ok people, thank you. I'll try now [02:17] <Dolph> Does anybody here have Ubuntu for Mac? [02:18] <thoreauputic> Dolph: sure. I run Ubuntuon an iBook G4 [02:18] <Stormx> Dolph: Its easy enough to do. [02:18] <dazjorz> ee [02:18] <Dolph> thoreauputic, ok two questions, 1. Does it run stable, as for i38x, and 2. I'm thinking about installing this on my iMac, but how the .will I get around the fact that it only has one mouse button? [02:18] <dazjorz> E: Couldn't find package build-essentials [02:19] <cafuego_> lui: There is a precompiled wxgtk 2.4 package [02:19] <bimberi> dazjorz: build-essential (lose the s) [02:19] <wibble> Dolph: I run Ubuntu on Mac; I use a three-button usb mouse [02:19] <thoreauputic> Dolph: 1) Stable - yes 2) Get yourself an USB 3button mouse [02:19] <Stormx> Dolph: You not running a powerPC processer? [02:19] <dazjorz> build-essential is already the newest version ^^ [02:19] <Dolph> Stormx, not sure, just got this imac, don't really know ANYTHING about macs [02:20] <Stormx> Dolph: Hmmm [02:20] <Dolph> Stormx, and being a seasoned linux (and unfortunately windows too) user, that MacOS is pissing me off [02:20] <cafuego_> Dolph: a three button usb mouse is really very cheap. Just use one of those. [02:20] <wibble> Dolph: it is stable and detected all the hardware fine [02:20] <Dolph> let me see what this is, one sec [02:20] <Stormx> Dolph: Find out your processer architecture. [02:20] <iddqd> ok i have an nforce 2 ac97 audio controller; which doesnt work through alsa or oss [02:20] <Dolph> 366 mhz PowerPC G3 [02:20] <iddqd> anybody else having this problem? will it be fixed if i update nforce drivers? [02:21] <Dolph> Damn this is an old one isnt it? [02:21] <cafuego_> Dolph: The 8600, G3, powerbook, iMacs and Mac Mini all work fine. [02:21] <Stormx> Dolph: You need a PowerPC version of ubuntu [02:21] <ags06> anyone know how to work IR to connect my phone [02:21] <Dolph> Alright, does 366mhz on a mac equal 366mhz on an Intel-compatible processor? [02:21] <cafuego_> Doplh: Ubuntu PPC will work 100% fine on that, it will detect and install all hardware. [02:21] <Stormx> Dolph: Yeh, think so... [02:21] <cafuego_> Dolph: No, on a G3 it'd be comparable to a P3/800 or somesuch. [02:22] <Dolph> Oh well, guess it's a fine work computer :) [02:22] <thoreauputic> Dolph: It will be quicker than those mhz suggest [02:22] <lui> cafuego: I know but I'm trying to install lmule [02:22] <cafuego_> Not for certain benchmarks, but certainly in day to day use. [02:22] <apokryphos> is sudo {guiapp} potentially not that devastating in gnome, or something? :| [02:22] <Dolph> thoreauputic, good [02:22] <Stormx> Dolph: Download the PowerPC version, burn it, get a cheap USB mouse, boot it, you're awat! [02:22] <Dolph> Stormx, sure will :) [02:22] <cafuego_> lui: then you need the wxgtk -dev package [02:23] <cafuego_> Dolph: it runs great on the 350MHz iMacs here :-) [02:23] <cafuego_> apokryphos: Nope [02:23] <Stormx> ^___________________________________^;; [02:23] <Dolph> cafuego, with no latency in Gnome what so ever? [02:23] <Stormx> bbs [02:23] <ags06> IR connection anyone [02:23] <thoreauputic> Dolph: Linux/ubuntu is noticeably more snappy than OS-X on my machine [02:23] <apokryphos> cafuego: nope, as in it's not potentially pretty harmful? [02:23] <cafuego_> Dolph: A little bit. How much ram does it have? [02:23] <lui> ok [02:24] <Dolph> cafuego, 320mb [02:24] <cafuego_> apokryphos: No more harmful than running stuff as root outside of gnome. [02:24] <lui> cafuego: do you speak spanish? [02:24] <cafuego_> Dolph: yeah, that fine. [02:24] <Dolph> cafuego_, ok, great. [02:24] <Dolph> Thank you all for your kind and fast help :) [02:24] <thoreauputic> Dolph: if you can afford more RAM, get it though - makes a difference [02:24] <cafuego_> Dolph: The original imac hdds were a bit slow, so large apps will have a slight load delay [02:25] <Dolph> thoreauputic, it's a laptop.. ? :o [02:25] <cafuego_> with a new 8Mb cache drive and 512Mb though... :-) [02:25] <apokryphos> cafuego_: I doubt it's confined to KDE. sudo {guiapp} can sometimes alter configuration files; sometimes making them root's. Especially with dcop sockets. sudo doesn't set up the environment to run gui apps; that's what gksudo, kdesu are for, surely [02:25] <apokryphos> an app's config files, that is. [02:25] <cafuego_> apokryphos: orbit complains; however it makes its OWN sockets with the username in them. [02:26] <cafuego_> apokryphos: I've had warnings here, but never fatal errors. [02:26] <thoreauputic> Dolph: well, mine's a laptop too - but you could get it with 256 512 or 768MB (Probably up to 1Gig) I have 768MB but 512 would have been fine too [02:26] <Dolph> I'm im unable to get an USB mouse in time, though, seeing as I'll be using this in 2 days and it's weekend, is it completely impossible to utilize Ubuntu with a onebutton mouse? [02:27] <Dolph> If I'm* [02:27] <apokryphos> cafuego_: not fatal; can always be fixed with appropriate chown directory/ -- still, the errors are an issue. Do you still get them with gksudo/kdesu? [02:27] <thoreauputic> Dolph: not at all - use the F11 and F12 keys [02:27] <Stormx> Back [02:28] <Dolph> thoreauputic, what do they do? [02:28] <cafuego_> apokryphos: Never used those except through the admin menus. [02:28] <thoreauputic> Dolph: you can mimic right and left buttons [02:28] <Dolph> ahh [02:28] <Stormx> thoreauputic: Not working for me >_< [02:28] <namelesss> hi [02:28] <cafuego_> Dolph: F12 will simulate a right-click at wherever the mosue pointer is [02:28] <Dolph> now to figure out how to eject the cdrom drive in this..... lol [02:29] <Stormx> Press the "Eject" button? [02:29] <Stormx> ;D [02:29] <cafuego_> Dolph: paperclip; see the little hole on thr right hand side of the slot? [02:29] <Stormx> Yeh [02:29] <Dolph> Yeah, but I'm pressing it and nothing happens :S [02:29] <thoreauputic> Dolph: Linux has an "eject" command [02:29] <Stormx> Quick release [02:29] <Stormx> usefull for installing linux at school. [02:29] <cafuego_> Dolph: If it on Linux, hit Eject [02:30] <Dolph> This still has Mac OSX [02:30] <cafuego_> Dolph: IOn macos, dump the cd icon in the trash [02:30] <namelesss> hey i cannot install the java environment [02:30] <cafuego_> Dolph: or hold down f12 [02:30] <namelesss> someone can help me ? [02:30] <Dolph> lol, trash it, hahah [02:30] <Stormx> namelesss: Sure. [02:30] <Stormx> namelesss: Tried synaptic? [02:30] <namelesss> no [02:30] <cafuego_> Dolph: The trash turns into an eject icon when you hover the cd icon [02:30] <namelesss> i tried manually [02:30] <Dolph> but...there's no trash icon >.< [02:30] <Dolph> grrr [02:30] <namelesss> like explain to ubuntu.org [02:30] <Stormx> namelesss: System > Administration > Synaptic [02:30] <cafuego_> There is, on the dock, rightmost icon [02:31] <Dolph> ooooh, true [02:31] <cafuego_> Dolph: See if selecting the icon and hitting apple-Y works. [02:31] <lui> people, wich are the common c++ and g++ I need to install to configure wxGTK? [02:31] <Dolph> there we go, it ejected when I threw out the CD ^^ [02:31] <cafuego_> lui: why do you think you need to compile exgtk? [02:31] <Haffe> Hi, I'm looking for a new soundcard. And I'm looking for one that's well supported. What should I get? Envy24? ACL805? [02:32] <namelesss> how does it works ? [02:32] <Stormx> ------------------YOU DON'T NEED TO COMPILE THINGS IN UBUNTU--------------------------------------- [02:32] <cafuego_> !compiling [02:32] <Dolph> EOD. [02:32] <Stormx> namelesss: Run a search for java? [02:32] <lui> I'm just following some instructions to install lmule [02:32] <namelesss> yep [02:32] <cafuego_> lui: Then the instructions are wrong. [02:32] <Stormx> namelesss: You may need universe enabled. [02:32] <lui> so, what should I do? [02:32] <Stormx> lui: Use synaptic. [02:32] <namelesss> it search automaclly to internet and install ? [02:33] <Stormx> namelesss: You need to find the java package you need, mark it for installation, and hit apply [02:33] <Stormx> if its not there, tell me. [02:33] <Stormx> Haha Donk [02:33] <Stormx> thats a good name [02:33] <cafuego_> !tell nameless about java [02:33] <lui> lmule isn't in synaptic [02:33] <cafuego_> lui; No, but wxgtk is. [02:34] <Stormx> apt-get install lmule [02:34] <Stormx> !lmule [02:34] <ubotu> Stormx: I don't know, could you explain it? [02:34] <Stormx> No ;D [02:34] <lui> it isn't in apt-get neither [02:34] <cafuego_> namelesss: ubotu should have sent you info on how to get java going the proper (legal) way. [02:34] <Stormx> lui: Download a debian package [02:34] <lui> ok cafuego [02:34] <namelesss> ok [02:35] <Stormx> lui: Download the debian package (.deb) then go into terminal, go to the directory you downloaded into it and type dpkg -i <package name> [02:35] <thoreauputic> namelesss: make sure you read the link from the java page to the help howto, anf add the hoary-extras repository [02:35] <thoreauputic> *and [02:35] <namelesss> huh ? [02:35] <namelesss> lol [02:36] <Stormx> Here, I'll give you my example repositories. [02:36] <namelesss> sorry what is synaptic exactly ? [02:36] <Stormx> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/330944 [02:36] <apokryphos> namelesss: the Ubuntu Package Manager [02:36] <namelesss> ok [02:36] <apokryphos> namelesss: you can both remove an fetch packages from servers (repositories) [02:36] <Stormx> namelesss: Synaptic lets you download and isntall practicly anything [02:36] <namelesss> a ok [02:36] <apokryphos> s/an/and [02:36] <Stormx> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/330944 - Thats my sources.list [02:36] <namelesss> but i don't find the jre package with synaptic [02:37] <Stormx> namelesss: Download a .deb of it [02:37] <deFrysk> !java [02:37] <apokryphos> namelesss: you need to enable extra repositories; that is, other servers that Synaptic can download from [02:37] <namelesss> where ? [02:37] <Stormx> namelesss: From it's site. [02:37] <apokryphos> Stormx: no point; it's in backports [02:37] <Stormx> Meh, ok. [02:37] <apokryphos> namelesss: it's better to get it from the repository. Enable backports [02:37] <Stormx> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports universe multiverse [02:38] <Stormx> add that to sources.list [02:38] <lui> Stormx: thanks. sorry, I have to know a lot of things dealing with linux, but I'm certainly learning. [02:38] <thoreauputic> Stormx: you don't need to go through the old painful methods any more [02:38] <Mez> Stormx, Java isnt in official backports [02:38] <namelesss> arf [02:38] <Stormx> You need "universe" [02:38] <Stormx> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports universe multiverse [02:38] <thoreauputic> Stormx: erm , no - it's in hoary-extras [02:39] <Mez> Stormx, Java is in hoary-extras [02:39] <namelesss> what is haory ? [02:39] <namelesss> hoary [02:39] <namelesss> i'm french so i don't understand all [02:39] <apokryphos> geh [02:39] <highvoltage> namelesss: it is the name of the stable release of Ubuntu [02:39] <thoreauputic> namelesss: nickname for ubuntu 5.04 [02:39] <namelesss> ok [02:39] <apokryphos> Stormx: sorry, they're right. Mixup. [02:39] <namelesss> thx [02:40] <cafuego_> thoreauputic: The java in extras is actually illegal, as redistribution is expressly forbidden in the license. [02:40] <apokryphos> cafuego_: ubotu doesn't search hoary-extras? [02:40] <Mez> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras restricted [02:40] <cafuego_> apokryphos: well, he should... [02:40] <Stormx> Bah. [02:40] <thoreauputic> cafuego: hmm ... well looks like I'm now an unwitting lawbreaker :) [02:40] <cafuego_> !find j2se extras [02:40] <apokryphos> nope [02:40] <apokryphos> info sun-j2re1.5 [02:40] <Mez> cafuego, not neccesarilty [02:40] <cafuego_> thoreauputic: !java in the bot gives proper instructions. [02:41] <apokryphos> that's the pack [02:41] <lui> excuse me, but, there is somthing better than lmule, before I install it? [02:41] <thoreauputic> cafuego: ah, that has changed ! [02:41] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'j2se extras' returned no results. [02:42] <namelesss> i tried the ubuntu backports method but it failed i taped "sudo apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5" on term but the sun-j2sdk1.5 doesn't founded [02:42] <cafuego_> thoreauputic: Yes, I changed it after whathisface said he accidentally wrecked the wiki [02:42] <thoreauputic> cafuego: the hoary-extras method is *much* simpler... but I guess we have to toe the line [02:42] <lui> excuse me, but, is there something better than lmule, before I install it? [02:42] <izmaelis> lui, try amule [02:42] <apokryphos> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp hoary-extras [02:43] <cafuego_> thoreauputic: well, you know... [02:43] <lui> oks [02:43] <thoreauputic> cafuego: seems quite a lot of useful stuff has disappeared from the wiki lately... no names no pack-drill and all that [02:44] <omeg> How do I create a shortcut? I want to run a program with a certain command line (namely: 'dosbox -conf "/home/omega/Dosbox computer/config.conf"'), and want to make a shortcut that does this. [02:44] <cafuego_> thoreauputic: Long live anarchy! [02:44] <Stormx> omeg: its called a "launcher" [02:45] <omeg> Neat. How do I create one? [02:45] <thoreauputic> cafuego: I'm with you on that ;) [02:45] <Stormx> omeg: On your desktop or in nautilus, right click > create launcher [02:45] <cafuego_> thoreauputic: You can't be, I didn't say anarchosyndcalism ;-) [02:45] <wezzer-> I need help: http://pastebin.com/331206 [02:45] <dazjorz> Roses are red [02:45] <dazjorz> Violets are blu [02:45] <dazjorz> blue* [02:45] <dazjorz> I am schitzofrenic [02:45] <dazjorz> Me too [02:46] <dazjorz> lol [02:46] <iddqd> anybody using nforce2 ac97 audio here? [02:46] <omeg> Neat, it works just fine. [02:46] <omeg> Thanks. [02:46] <Stormx> np [02:46] <cafuego_> dazjorz: hamer [02:46] <wibble> roses are red, violets are blue, all my base, are belong to you [02:46] <apokryphos> namelesss: you can add deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted to sources.list; sudo apt-get update, then install it [02:46] <iddqd> violets aren't blue [02:47] <cafuego_> ik hou van je / ik blijf je trouw / totdat ik van / een ander hou [02:47] <Stormx> violets are violet. [02:47] <wezzer-> hey iptables experts: http://pastebin.com/331206 [02:47] <thoreauputic> cafuego: right, a true anarchist would never say "I'm with you on that" :-) [02:47] <JoshRA> Hello does anyone know why when starting and running tspc i get kernal panics? [02:47] <dazjorz> LOL [02:49] <oonoon> hi [02:49] <cafuego_> JoshRA: kernEl bug eh [02:49] <anacron> i don't know can you guys help me anymore, but i still have problem with my wlan card, dwl-510, i can't get it working with ndiswrapper or madwifi, i tried latest dwl510 inf file and realtecs inf file with ndiswrapper but nothing, anyone here who could help? [02:49] <Vital303> Hi! I've recently installed Ubuntu. Everything works fine, but it seems that my soundcard (Sound Blaster Live! 24-bit) hasn't been detected. [02:49] <namelesss> ok it works thx [02:49] <oonoon> when i launch the cfdisk on my user account, i get a 'Fatal error, can't open the disk unit', bug ? [02:49] <JoshRA> cafuego_: i guess. tspc uis freenet6's clinet to confiure an tunnel from behind a nat firewall [02:50] <anacron> Vital303: check ubuntu wiki if there's a howto for that [02:51] <Shufla> hello :) [02:51] <cafuego_> JoshRA: Is the ipv6 module loaded BEFORE you start tspc? [02:51] <mOi> hi [02:51] <JoshRA> Yes [02:51] <JoshRA> and so is tun jic [02:52] <cafuego_> JoshRA: Did you install the freenet6 package or did you download the client off the freenet6 site? [02:52] <JoshRA> i did apt-get [02:52] <anacron> any guru's with wlan here? howto's wont help me [02:52] <pfp> wezzer-: can you add the iptables command, that you use for the tp-proxy, to your pastebin post? [02:52] <JoshRA> i have not been able to get the downloaded verison to run for me [02:53] <zer> anacron: Thats a metaquestion ;-) [02:53] <wezzer-> pfp: ok, just a minute [02:53] <pfp> wezzer-: i can help w/ the exception then [02:53] <anacron> zer: what's a metaquestion [02:53] <cafuego_> JoshRA: Are you running a precompiled kernel or a self-compiled one? [02:53] <cafuego_> anacron: a waste of time [02:53] <JoshRA> one that same with the od [02:53] <JoshRA> ois [02:54] <JoshRA> os so precompiled [02:54] <anacron> well i did ask already with specific details but no one did answer [02:54] <wezzer-> pfp: it's there; http://pastebin.com/331212 [02:54] <anacron> but if i ask like that i morelikely get someone to talk [02:55] <JoshRA> cafuego_: precompiled [02:55] <mOi> hat irgendjemand ein klein wenig zeit und knnte mir bei einem problem helfen ? [02:56] <mOi> wre nett danke [02:56] <anacron> cafuego_: someone who would know might have joined right now, and didn't see my original question [02:56] <Vital303> I have checked documentation wiki and cant find how to troubleshooting my sound card. Is there any simple Sound Card Configuration Tool? [02:56] <cafuego_> anacron: within 5 mins? nah [02:56] <anacron> linux and simple usually can't fit in the same centence [02:56] <JoshRA> i have never compiled a linux kernal only a BSD [02:57] <anacron> where is sevas, he always has answer for my questions [02:57] <cafuego_> JoshRA: Hmm, probably file a bug against that kernel package then [02:57] <pfp> wezzer-: http://pastebin.com/331215 simple as that :) [02:57] <JoshRA> cafuego_: i did update the keernal via apt then this started to happen [02:57] <wezzer-> thank you very much :) [02:57] <pfp> wezzer-: the commands (iptables rules) have to be in that order [02:57] <wezzer-> okay [02:57] <pfp> np [02:58] <cafuego_> JoshRA: The previous kernel should still be in the boot menu. [02:58] <JoshRA> Linux localglade 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Fri Jun 24 16:53:01 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux [02:58] <cafuego_> JoshRA: What kind of CPU do you have? [02:58] <cafuego_> duh, a P3/p4 [02:59] <JoshRA> p3 600 [02:59] <cafuego_> JoshRA: Can you install the kernel for -686 ? [02:59] <JoshRA> if i can find a howto guide for it [02:59] <Dolph> Is it just me, or is there no DEL button on a mac? [02:59] <JoshRA> i have not compiled a kernal for linux before [02:59] <cafuego_> JoshRA: Just use synaptic [03:00] <cafuego_> JoshRA: There is a PREcompiled 2.6.10-5-686 [03:00] <cafuego_> (as opposed to -386) [03:00] <JoshRA> k [03:01] <Dolph> cafuego_, now that you mention -686, if I install Ubuntu on a mac, I will need -PPC packages of every single thing I install, won't I? [03:01] <rommer> is there a way to change the ubuntu screen that says loading panel... etc when u login to a gnome desktop? [03:01] <Stormx> Dolph: Nope [03:01] <cafuego_> Doplh: yes, it willt ake of that automatically. [03:01] <Stormx> rommer: Yes, ask in #GNOME [03:01] <jorsca> hi there, I am using Hoary and I can't manage to play sounds using either totem or mplayer. I know it has something to do with esd but I can't figure how to correct it. [03:01] <thoreauputic> Dolph: the package manager takes care of getting the right debs for you [03:02] <cafuego_> yes, it will take care of that automatically. [03:02] <Dolph> What if, I want to install Mplayer, but mplayer only exists for i386? [03:02] <cafuego_> Dolph: there is an mplayer for ppc [03:02] <Stormx> jorsca: Change the output plugin to eSound [03:02] <Dolph> Or are there PPC deb packages for almost all i386 packs? [03:02] <JoshRA> root@localglade:~ # apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-5-686 [03:02] <cafuego_> no w32codecs, though. [03:02] <jorsca> yep did that [03:02] <Dolph> cafuego, it was hypothetically [03:02] <Stormx> Still nothing? Do you get sound otherwise? [03:02] <thoreauputic> Dolph: there are no win 32 codecs for ppc of course [03:02] <Dolph> no w32codecs? Hmm, that sucks... [03:02] <jorsca> well, I managed to have some by killing esd [03:02] <Dolph> What do I do then, if I want to playback a movie in XviD ? [03:03] <cafuego_> Dolph: well, they're win32 DLLs.. no way they're going to do ANYHTING on ppc ;-) [03:03] <thoreauputic> Dolph: you can set up mac on linux and run multimedia in that, if you want to [03:03] <cafuego_> Dolph: Quicktime does Xvid/DivX [03:03] <cafuego_> But you'd need OSX. [03:03] <Dolph> Have that [03:03] <Drune> well, ubuntu 64binary's are not updated? [03:04] <cafuego_> Drune: since when? [03:04] <jorsca> mplayer crashes if I use -ao esd [03:04] <thoreauputic> Dolph: there's a mac-on-linux howto int he wiki (or was anyway) .. hang on I'll look [03:05] <Stormx> jorsca: Use XMMS [03:05] <Stormx> !mac [03:05] <Drune> cafuego, just an example, gaim is in 1.1.4 in ubuntu64 bits repository. [03:05] <ubotu> Stormx: Bugger all, i dunno [03:05] <Drune> current version is 1.4.0 [03:05] <cafuego_> Drune: Some stuff has been ported, other stuff hasn't. [03:05] <necrogami> Anyone gonna watch the Brickyard 400? [03:05] <thoreauputic> Dolph: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//MacOnLinuxHowto [03:05] <cafuego_> Drune: My amd64 has 1.4 installed [03:06] <jorsca> Stormx: I'll try xmms with different plugins [03:06] <thoreauputic> ubotu mol is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//MacOnLinuxHowto [03:06] <ubotu> ...but mol is already something else... [03:06] <necrogami> my AMD Semperon has 1.4 GAIM installed [03:06] <Drune> cafuego, maybe i'm using wrong mirror. [03:06] <thoreauputic> hmm [03:06] <thoreauputic> !mol [03:06] <ubotu> somebody said mol was See https://wiki.ubuntu.com//MacOnLinuxHowto for help [03:06] <jorsca> it crashed when I used the default configuration [03:06] <cafuego_> !info gaim [03:06] <ubotu> gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.1.4-1ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 825 kB, Installed size: 2148 kB [03:07] <cafuego_> Drune: No, 1.1.4 is correct for hoary. [03:07] <Drune> hmm, a little bit older. [03:07] <cafuego_> Drune: Is it broken? [03:07] <mOi> moin [03:07] <Drune> no. [03:07] <cafuego_> !rule 1 [03:07] <ubotu> Rule number one: Don't fix it if it isn't broken! [03:07] <Drune> ahah [03:07] <Stormx> hahaha [03:07] <Drune> hahahhah [03:07] <Stormx> !rule 2 [03:07] <ubotu> Stormx: Bugger all, i dunno [03:08] <omeg> Hey guys. I'm trying to run Dosbox. It works just fine right now, except for one thing: there's no sound! I've set everything up just fine, and the games should have sound, but they don't. When I ran Windows, I didn't have this problem... [03:08] <cafuego_> Drune: Breezy (in october) will have 1.4 [03:08] <omeg> Maybe any of you know? [03:08] <necrogami> Anyone gonna watch the Brickyard 400? [03:08] <thoreauputic> ubotu rule 2 is see rule 1 [03:08] <omeg> Sound works just fine in my system, by the way. Just not for Dosbox. [03:08] <ubotu> okay, thoreauputic [03:08] <Stormx> omeg: Dunno [03:08] <Stormx> ubotu rule * is rule 1 [03:08] <ubotu> okay, Stormx [03:08] <cafuego_> !no, rule 2 is <reply> GOTO #1 [03:09] <Stormx> ubotu: Don't listen to cafuego_, he is a liar [03:09] <ubotu> Stormx: I think you lost me on that one [03:09] <Stormx> !info Seveas [03:09] <jorsca> xmms with the esound esd output, still no sound with totem-xine [03:09] <omeg> So I don't think anything is blocking the sound... [03:09] <Drune> well, it's stupid don't update something because it's not broken at all. [03:10] <Drune> see kernel example. [03:10] <Stormx> ubotu, Seveas is Seveas is Cool [03:10] <ubotu> Stormx: what are you talking about? [03:10] <thoreauputic> Stormx: try !seen [03:10] <Stormx> !seen Seveas [03:10] <ubotu> seveas is currently on #ubuntu (3h 47m 18s) [03:10] <cafuego_> Drune: Not fixing things that aren't broken is SANE. [03:11] <Stormx> ubotu Seveas is Seveas is damn cool! [03:11] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, Stormx [03:11] <Stormx> Gah [03:11] <Stormx> !Seveas [03:11] <ubotu> Stormx: I don't know [03:11] <thoreauputic> !lart Stormx [03:11] <Stormx> rofl! [03:11] <thoreauputic> :D [03:11] <Stormx> !kick thoreauputic [03:11] <ubotu> Stormx: No idea [03:12] <hhurtta_> anyone have latest mplayer sources to share. seems that mplayerhq.hu is down. [03:12] <Stormx> !zot thoreauputic [03:12] <ubotu> Wish i knew, Stormx [03:12] <Stormx> !lart thoreauputic [03:12] <thoreauputic> Stormx: random guesses won't do it I'm afraid [03:12] <Stormx> !help [03:12] <cafuego_> !botabuse [03:12] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned. [03:12] <Stormx> !cookie [03:12] <ubotu> Hey stormx, !fsf #DEL# is Free Software Foundation, Foundation which aims to make a completely Free operating system (GNU/Linux0 [03:13] <thoreauputic> Stormx: /msg ubotu silly buggers [03:13] <Stormx> !wantnick Stormx [03:13] <ubotu> Stormx: I give up, what is it? [03:14] <Stormx> Gah [03:14] <cafuego_> Tssk, cookie hoort vast geen arked as deleted'factoids op te halen [03:14] <Stormx> !+host Stormx [03:14] <ubotu> Stormx: I don't know, could you explain it? [03:14] <cafuego_> Stormx: Would you mind not spamming the channel with bot playtime? [03:14] <Stormx> sorry ^_^ [03:14] <znh> cafuego: this is an english channel :] [03:14] <cafuego_> Stormx: The ops don't take kindly to it. [03:14] <thoreauputic> Stormx: stop it,, please [03:14] <Stormx> I have damn you ^_& [03:14] <cafuego_> znh: sorry, wat? [03:15] <chao> fwf [03:15] <znh> cafuego: you just spoke some dutch [03:15] <cafuego_> znh: relapse ;-) [03:15] <omeg> So, anybody else who's had problems with the sound card not working with certain programs? [03:15] <Stormx> you're wife has homework? [03:15] <Stormx> INCEST! [03:15] <highvoltage> cafuego_: you know dutch? [03:16] <pfp> heh [03:16] <cafuego_> highvoltage: i *am* dutch [03:16] <Stormx> I have limited dutch [03:16] <omeg> cafuego: are you married to a non-Dutch woman, and she's learning Dutch? [03:16] <Stormx> 3 word [03:16] <Stormx> "Boom", "Hallo" and "Ja" [03:16] <highvoltage> cafuego_: ah, ok. :) I'm afrikaans, so I understand dutch (mostly). [03:16] <omeg> Hehe, neat, Stormx. [03:16] <jorsca> ok great, everything works... didn't change anything else than choosing the esound output in xmms... [03:16] <cafuego_> Stormx: a spouse is family by definition. Were you after paedophilia? [03:16] <cafuego_> omeg: yep [03:16] <concept10> what is a good linux icq client? [03:16] <highvoltage> comforteagle: gaim [03:16] <cafuego_> concept10: gaim [03:17] <SadAngelman> anyone here know how to get ununtu to install on a beige g3 macintosh computer running mac os10.2.8 [03:17] <silvertear> gaim and kopete [03:17] <highvoltage> comforteagle: sorry, meant for concept10 [03:17] <pavan> Guys , belive this is ubuntu linux channel .. isn't it? [03:17] <cafuego_> highvoltage: Ah yes, theye still pretty similar. [03:17] <omeg> Interesting. I knew one guy who did that, too. He married someone from Canada. [03:17] <concept10> oh, i didnt know gaim did icq, thanks [03:17] <Stormx> So if someone asked me (in dutch) "Hello, Is that a tree?" I would answer "Hallo! Ja Ja! Boom! Boom!" [03:17] <dj28> concept10: if you prefer console clients, i suggest centericq ;) [03:17] <cafuego_> pavan: /topic [03:17] <znh> pavan: this is #ubutnu indeed [03:17] <silvertear> gaim does a lot, [03:17] <znh> silvertear: not enough [03:17] <cafuego_> omeg: Anything to get out of holland... ;-) [03:17] <silvertear> what would you add? [03:18] <omeg> You sure? I kind of like it here... [03:18] <concept10> Do I have to have an ICQ Account? [03:18] <znh> silvertear: some sort of picturebox that displays your current buddy picture [03:18] <dj28> concept10: yea [03:18] <cafuego_> concept10: How are we supposed to know? [03:18] <omeg> Where are you moving to? [03:18] <pavan> :-) apologies..bit new for this.. I am newbie for ubuntu and would like to intsall it and run skype on it..can i do that? [03:18] <rommer> is it possible to move the friends' display pictures to the left of the name? [03:18] <concept10> cafuego, because maybe you are a user [03:18] <cafuego_> omeg: I've lived in melbourne for 8 1/2 years [03:18] <concept10> cafuego, problem? [03:18] <dj28> concept10: go sign up for one and then type the info in gaim [03:18] <silvertear> znh: you can add it in if you compile from source instead of k/synaptic [03:18] <thoreauputic> pavan: yes you can install skype [03:18] <omeg> concept10: generally, if you want to use a messenger service, then... yes, you do need an account. [03:18] <cafuego_> concept10: No, never mind, I can't read. [03:19] <hhurtta> Please, does anyone have mplayer sources lying somewhere on their harddrive to share? [03:19] <znh> silvertear: then i've to add some c++ knowlegde too [03:19] <concept10> I know, I know, dumb question... :) [03:19] <cafuego_> hhurtta: Any reason you can't just apt-get install it? [03:19] <silvertear> not to be anal, but i think its in C [03:19] <hhurtta> cafuego_: i want to compile myself [03:19] <thoreauputic> hhurtta: mplayer is available from the multiverse repository [03:19] <cafuego_> concept10: You should be able to create an icq account using gaim. [03:19] <cafuego_> !compile [03:19] <ubotu> well, compile is tar -zxvf tarball, cd blah, ./configure, make, make install or install by hand [03:20] <cafuego_> hhurtta: Done that before?> [03:20] <hhurtta> always [03:20] <pavan> thanks "thoreauputic" [03:20] <cafuego_> Why can't you download the source then? [03:20] <hhurtta> mplayerhq.hu is down for me [03:21] <cafuego_> hhurtta: apt-get source mplayer [03:21] <hhurtta> cafuego_: thanks. that did it [03:21] <thoreauputic> pavan: add this a t the botom of /etc/apt/sources.list >> deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free [03:21] <Vital303> How to check is 'alsa' installed? [03:21] <silvertear> by trying to reinstall it? [03:22] <thoreauputic> Vital303: it is, unless you've done something weird [03:22] <cafuego_> hhurtta: Now, edit debian/rules and create a custom .deb via 'dpkg-buildpcackage -b' - that makes it easier to manage. [03:22] <SadAngelman> anyone know about installing on a macintosh computer [03:22] <Vital303> OK [03:22] <cafuego_> ubotu: compile is also Ask me about <compiling> [03:22] <ubotu> okay, cafuego_ [03:23] <hhurtta> cafuego_: thanks. never done this with debian/ubuntu [03:23] <Aerotrace> Hey [03:23] <thoreauputic> SadAngelman: just use the ppc iso - it's pretty much the same as installing on x86 really [03:23] <z|bandito> whats the package to install webdav? :) [03:23] <cafuego_> hhurtta: Then you will find "apt-get build-dep mplayer" very useful. [03:23] <cafuego_> z|bandito: apache2 [03:23] <Vital303> alsamixer returns [03:24] <Vital303> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device [03:24] <z|bandito> hi cafuego [03:24] <cafuego_> z|bandito: Just enable mod_dav via 'a2enmod' [03:24] <z|bandito> ok i'll try [03:24] <soaz> hi [03:24] <SadAngelman> i have ubuntu 5.04 & bootx but bootx says i need mac os9 to install ubuntu & i only have os10.2.8 [03:24] <Heijmen> how can i eject the cd from the drive when 'eject' from nautilus doesn't work? [03:25] <z|bandito> do i need dav_fs? [03:25] <SadAngelman> ive tried just about everything i can think of but cant get it to install [03:25] <thoreauputic> SadAngelman: ? you don't need anything mor than the install disc to install ubuntu-ppc [03:25] <thoreauputic> *more than [03:25] <silvertear> hey, what would i need to run a mailserver at home? so like if my computer is mycomp.mydomain, what would i need to receive mail with silvertear@mycomp.mydomain? [03:26] <silvertear> smtp is only the protocol for sending mail, right? [03:26] <SadAngelman> well how do you get the cd to boot then as ive tried just about everything & nothing seems to work [03:26] <pfp> silvertear: install an MTA (postfix is good) and have DNS point MX records to your IP [03:26] <mjr> silvertear, the only relevant one, yes [03:26] <thoreauputic> Heijmen: try the "eject" command - if that doesn't work try "sudo eject" [03:27] <thoreauputic> SadAngelman: put in CD, reboot, hold down the c key [03:27] <SadAngelman> tried that & it dont work [03:27] <pfp> silvertear: sending, and receiving, depending on which side you are ,) [03:28] <soaz> does somebody know, how can i change QT settings like font-size without KDE ? i have installed standart hoary installation, would like to use Skype, so i only installed libqt .. works fine so far, but the fonts are HUGE. does anyone know, how to change them, without installing some/lots of KDE apps ? thank you! [03:28] <silvertear> wait so my mail transport agent receives the email, and thunderbird, for example, retrives it from the mta? [03:28] <SadAngelman> i have an older mac a beige g3 & it will only boot with the c key held down if it can find an offical mac system folder on the cd [03:29] <Heijmen> thoreauputic, 'eject' opens the wrong drive, 'eject hdd' (hdd is the correct drive) gives error 'eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument' which is also what i get from nautilus [03:30] <pfp> silvertear: mta receives it and stores it somewhere on your (mail server's) hard disk, common places are /var/mail/$username and ~/Maildir/ [03:30] <thoreauputic> Heijmen: hmm - does " sudo eject /dev/hdd " work? [03:30] <popey> Heijmen: use the device name eject /dev/hdd [03:30] <Heijmen> thoreauputic, sudo-ing it worked, still the error-msg but at least it ejected.. thanxxx! [03:30] <silvertear> mta listens on my port 25? [03:30] <pfp> silvertear: yes [03:30] <silvertear> ok thx [03:30] <z|bandito> SadAngelman did you try selecting it as the boot drive using system prefs-> startup disc? [03:31] <z|bandito> or try holding option when booting to use openfirmware to display a list of boot devices [03:31] <thoreauputic> Heijmen: you can set eject suid root ( chmod +s /usr/bin/eject ) [03:31] <JoshRA> .c [03:31] <JoshRA> cafuego_: i did that but it still panics on me [03:31] <SadAngelman> theres a program called bootx which helps older macs boot the cd so you can install linux but it only works under os9 & i only have os10 [03:31] <Heijmen> thoreauputic, ok thanxxx for the tip [03:32] <SadAngelman> ive searched the net for hours but cant find any help on how to get the cd to boot under os10 [03:33] <uMbala> I installed Ubuntu 5.04 on my PC, and when it had to start the X window system, my monitor turned off and nothing happened after... Whatto do? [03:33] <pfp> soaz: at least with 'qtconfig' and 'kcontrol' but i dunno how much kde dependencies they have [03:33] <z|bandito> SadAngelman did you try selecting it as the boot drive using system prefs-> startup disc? [03:33] <z|bandito> or try holding option when booting to use openfirmware to display a list of boot devices [03:33] <z|bandito> =p [03:34] <Vital303> Where can I find 'kernel sources'? [03:34] <z|bandito> uMbala you can try looking at the boot options available when it first starts up, perhaps there is a boot option for your grfx system etc? [03:35] <SadAngelman> it dosnt come up as startup disc or give me anything when holding option at startup [03:35] <thoreauputic> Vital303: apt-cache search linux-source [03:35] <soaz> pfp: thank you for the tip. i'll try .. [03:35] <z|bandito> are you sure it's a good burn? [03:35] <z|bandito> openfirmware should be able to do it without a mac os folder [03:35] <Vital303> horeauputic: Thank you. [03:36] <seif> hmmmmmmmmmmmmm [03:36] <z|bandito> though, i have a g3 that will no longer boot osx or linux, so you may just have some hw problem, with all due respect... it's been known to happen [03:36] <SadAngelman> its an offical cd ordered of the ubuntu website [03:36] <uMbala> z|bandito, it runs under recovery mode... but it doesnt recognize 'xinit', 'startx' or 'xstart' [03:36] <z|bandito> can try resetting the pram maybe.. SadAngelman [03:36] <SadAngelman> tried that as well with no luck [03:38] <SadAngelman> i can find many web sites with people saying there running ubuntu & os10 on a beige g3 just no help on how to get it installed [03:38] <Snippy> hello everyone [03:38] <SadAngelman> its driving me mad [03:39] <BockBilbo> :S anyone here knows why nautilus gets frozen every once in a while because of the nfs of smb mounted partition? [03:39] <BockBilbo> :S [03:40] <uMbala> z|bandito, can ya help? [03:40] <thoreauputic> SadAngelman: have you seen this? Might help.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/OldWorldMacs [03:40] <joachim> hi [03:40] <z|bandito> uMbala sorry i'm not sure.. perhaps the installation failed, you could just try again. i have a box that took a few attempts to get a good install [03:40] <joachim> can gparted run on warty? the ubuntu package site only has it for hoary & breezy [03:41] <trimethy> hello all together [03:41] <z|bandito> if you do, consider looking at the boot/installation options for something about graphics [03:41] <Snippy> hello trimethy [03:41] <z|bandito> someone else might know more, though [03:41] <SadAngelman> that site isnt much help sorry [03:42] <trimethy> Does anybody have some experiance with ubuntu on a powerbook ? More specific keyboard configuration ? [03:43] <z|bandito> there is a keyboard mapper in system prefs [03:43] <ralf_> spricht jemand deutsch ? [03:43] <trimethy> I'm struggeling with getting pbbuttons to work [03:43] <Tomcat__> ralf_: #ubuntu-de [03:43] <vader1102> trimethy:http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-38523.html [03:44] <alf> hi [03:44] <ralf_> bekomme ubuntu nicht auf mein notebook [03:44] <alf> kennt sich hier jemand mit wlan aus? [03:45] <alf> ich bekomme mein pci-wlan nicht zum laufen [03:45] <vader1102> <----only knows english [03:45] <alf> oh sry [03:45] <vader1102> ok [03:45] <alf> i dont get running my wlan-pci-card (digitus) [03:45] <rommer> can anyone help me change the select colour of gdm options from the default brown to match another theme, and also to take the ubuntu gnome loading screen (which shows loading panel etc) away or change it to something else? [03:45] <alf> bad english - i know =) [03:46] <vader1102> it id s digitus card? [03:46] <Snippy> I've got a problem.. my sound card works fine now.. well still some choppy sounds but thats not the problem.. my line out is not working, how come? any guesses? [03:46] <trimethy> Thx vader: but it's more related to the function keys, it seems that pbbuttonsd doesn't register my F* function keys. [03:46] <znh> rommer: start gdmsetup, with sudo [03:46] <alf> yes its a digitus [03:46] <reka> joachim: http://packages.ubuntu.com/warty/x11/qtparted [03:46] <vader1102> ok, hold on please [03:46] <reka> joachim: an alternative [03:46] <alf> yes - ok [03:46] <wezzer-> what if my friend has forgotten his password? [03:47] <wezzer-> how can he make a new user account? [03:47] <znh> alf: how come the most german people can't speak english very well? [03:47] <soaz> pfp: qtconfig helped with the font size. and does not depend on anything beside libqt. now if i find out, how to apply qt themes without kde that would be great. but i think that will not be possible without kcontrol. but anyway the fonts are set. THANKS! [03:47] <trimethy> wezzer: boot in single user mode and reset [03:47] <Random_Sindrom> hhf [03:47] <wezzer-> trimethy: ok, thanks [03:47] <alf> dunno [03:48] <rommer> znh, there is nothing about changing the option select colour there [03:48] <Random_Sindrom> hhf{{ij [03:48] <rommer> or chanign the loading screen [03:48] <vader1102> alf: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List [03:48] <znh> rommer: you can change the splash-screen, and the theme [03:48] <vader1102> trimethy, sorry dude, just google for an answer, that;s how I got that [03:48] <pfp> soaz: great, glad to help .) [03:49] <alf> vader1102 - can we go in a seperate channel (alone)? [03:49] <joachim> thanks reka :) [03:49] <tyrchyus> hi [03:49] <vader1102> alf: I prefer not to, I just got up and cannot focus real well [03:49] <reka> joachim: no worries [03:50] <trimethy> Vader: I'm doeing this the last couple of days, but's a bit unclear, I compiled severel kenels with and whitout the fn key patch, doe you know perhaps which modules are required to get this to work ? [03:50] <alf> ok [03:50] <trimethy> And how I could start debuggin this ? [03:50] <tyrchyus> in ubuntu-it he don't help me sorry for my english..... [03:50] <vader1102> trimethy, just a sec [03:52] <alf> vader1102: what i have to do now? [03:52] <tyrchyus> I have a multi function but the scanner don't go.....we understand? [03:52] <tools> http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42823 [03:52] <ralf_> suche startdiskette fr ubuntu-CD [03:52] <tools> http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42823 [03:52] <tools> http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42823 [03:52] <thoreauputic> chtank: for a speed up on that machine try xfce4 instead of gnome [03:52] <vader1102> trimethy: here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-34104.html [03:52] <thoreauputic> chtank: but that needs you to install 5.04 I'd say [03:53] <vader1102> alf: just follow the directions in that kink [03:53] <alf> i have downloaded the right one and extracted it [03:53] <alf> but now....? [03:53] <concept10> ban tools, thats spam [03:54] <trimethy> Vader: Thx, will give it an other try [03:54] <Snippy> I've got a problem.. my sound card works fine now.. well still some choppy sounds but thats not the problem.. my line out is not working, how come? any guesses? [03:54] <vader1102> ok, so now keep the web page open and follow all of the directions [03:54] <chtank> tell me where I find that? Is it on synaptic? I have been using it, but it seems to be an old version of synaptic, I use the one on my PCLinuxOS (a mandrake desktop release) [03:55] <thoreauputic> chtank: as I said, xfce4 is probably only available on hoary ( 5.04) - at least the recent 4.2 [03:55] <alf> ??? well, i scrolled to my card: digitus dn-7001..... and downloaded it. [03:55] <vader1102> thoreauputic, I used it on Warty [03:56] <thoreauputic> chtank: I would enable the universe repository first, whatever WM you decide to use [03:56] <thoreauputic> vader1102: ah OK - wasn't sure [03:56] <vader1102> ok, have yo downloaded the ndiswrapper program alf [03:56] <silvertear> what is the postfix process called in ps -A? [03:57] <seif> hey guys [03:57] <seif> i want t odo another entry besides application places System and so on [03:57] <alf> aahhm, yes - with the synaptic-package-manager [03:57] <vader1102> does anyone here have the wireless how to for ubuntu? [03:57] <seif> how can i do that [03:57] <crashd> vader1102: it's on the wiki [03:57] <crashd> wiki.ubuntu.com [03:57] <pfp> silvertear: there are many, do ps auxw | grep postfix [03:57] <chtank> ok, thanks I will enable the unversal, I shall return here later since this is an old slow machine, thanks guys [03:58] <vader1102> yes crash, I had the complete url for it [03:58] <crashd> umm [03:58] <crashd> wiki.ubuntu.com//WiFiHowto [03:58] <crashd> probably [03:58] <vader1102> brb [03:59] <alf> vader1102 - if i type: iwconfig i get the following.... [04:00] <kr> i am using mozilla mail , anybody know if there exist any email notifiers to that program, that show up on my screen when i have got new mail, [04:00] <alf> lo no wireless extensions eth0 now wire..... sit0 no wirel....... [04:02] <Snippy> I've got a problem.. my sound card works fine now.. well still some choppy sounds but thats not the problem.. my line out is not working, how come? any guesses? [04:02] <guardianx> how do you install a .deb package>??? [04:02] <tiglionabbit> dpkg --install [04:02] <crashd> dpkg -i package.deb [04:03] <kr> anybody????? email notifiers???? does it exist for ubuntu [04:03] <reka> guardianx: what is it? [04:03] <vader1102> alf: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22645.html [04:04] <reka> kr: course there are [04:04] <reka> apt-cache search mail notifier [04:04] <guardianx> reka - it is a packabe called /libnvtvsimple0_0.4.7-2ubuntu1_i386.deb i'm jus trying to get nvtv to work [04:05] <kr> reka:in root terminal? i am new at this [04:05] <reka> guardianx: ok, just checking you weren't installing something you could apt-get [04:05] <reka> kr: normal terminal [04:05] <alf> vader1102 shall i do now what stacywebb tells? [04:05] <kr> thank you [04:05] <vader1102> sure [04:05] <namelesss> do ubuntu got a firewall ? [04:05] <namelesss> integrated [04:05] <Aerotrace> yes. [04:06] <Aerotrace> !firewall [04:06] <ubotu> I heard firewall is Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter. [04:06] <namelesss> it is the reason that a cannot send a ping demand ? [04:06] <delmer> HELLO [04:06] <Aerotrace> nameless: What happens when you ping? [04:06] <namelesss> nothing [04:06] <namelesss> that's the problem [04:06] <Aerotrace> thats not helpfull [04:06] <Aerotrace> Does it not resolve the address? [04:06] <namelesss> i ve got ip of my friend for a try [04:06] <namelesss> so i send a ip request [04:06] <delmer> OK [04:06] <namelesss> and all paquet lost [04:06] <Aerotrace> Does it say "Command unrecognised" [04:07] <namelesss> no no [04:07] <Aerotrace> Namelesss: Try pinging google.com [04:07] <namelesss> it works lol [04:07] <kr> reka: now i have done that, what do i do now to get it working [04:07] <Aerotrace> so its your freidn who has the problem. [04:08] <tchmnky> So, can anybody tell me what's wrong with ALSA when aplay gives this message?: [04:08] <tchmnky> Warning: rate is not accurate (requested = 44100Hz, got = 48000Hz) [04:08] <tchmnky> please, try the plug plugin (-Dplug:dmixer) [04:08] <seif> how do i add a new entry in the gnome panel besides "Applications" "Places" "System" [04:08] <eruin> I like the way gaim 2.0 rolls the window smoothy when a new message arrives in chat [04:08] <Aerotrace> does this happen with every song? [04:08] <eruin> or is that gtk2.7 ? [04:08] <eruin> seif, rightclick [04:08] <eruin> on a vacant spot [04:09] <tchmnky> Aerotrace, it happens on all wave files, and things using alsa to play sounds play with 'Chipmunk Syndrome'. IE: Wrong samplerate. [04:09] <seif> what right click [04:09] <seif> for example i want [04:09] <reka> kr: have you chosen one to install? [04:10] <seif> "applications system places and ... games [04:10] <kr> i wrote what you told me to, an thats all [04:11] <Kyral> hey how would I set a Cronjob to run "sudo slocate -u /" every day at 4 AM? [04:11] <sorush20> guys how can I run safe mode thunderbird on ubuntu [04:11] <Aerotrace> tchmnky: I'm not sure, make sure it has the right plugins, or use a diffrent output plugin. [04:11] <reka> kr: that only searches for packages that have descriptions/names with 'mail' and 'notifier' in their strings [04:11] <Aerotrace> *right decoders [04:11] <reka> kr: did you get a list? [04:12] <kr> just a minute and i can copy what i got [04:12] <tchmnky> Hm. I'll try and get a default ALSA config going again, and see if that works -- I used the hardware mixing config file from ubuntuforums.org... [04:12] <Aerotrace> Kyral: Why not? ^_^ [04:12] <tchmnky> Seems to have broken it. \o/ [04:12] <Kyral> eh? [04:12] <Kyral> Aerotrace, eh? [04:13] <kr> reka:bbmail - Mail notifier for Blackbox [04:13] <kr> coolmail - Mail notifier with 3d graphics [04:13] <kr> melon - Mail notifier with configurable icons, xbiff replacement [04:13] <kr> xlassie - Dockable mail notifier w/ message count & POP3/APOP/IMAP support [04:13] <thoreauputic> Kyral: there should already be a cron job by default to do updatedb fro the locate command, if that's what you are wanting to do [04:14] <Aerotrace> Kyral: Oops, nevermind. [04:14] <Snippy> I've got a problem.. my sound card works fine now.. well still some choppy sounds but thats not the problem.. my line out is not working, how come? any guesses? [04:14] <reka> kr: don't paste in here please [04:14] <Kyral> thoreauputic, yah [04:14] <Kyral> how do I check on that [04:14] <Aerotrace> Snippy: Checked the volume control app? [04:14] <reka> kr: now do: apt-cache show <package> replacing package with the one you want to look at [04:14] <Kyral> I know alot about Linux, but I don't know squat about Cronjobs :P [04:14] <Snippy> Aerotrace, yep. [04:14] <reka> e.g. apt-cache show xlassie [04:14] <seif> how do i add a new entry in the gnome panel besides "Applications" "Places" "System" [04:14] <thoreauputic> Kyral: /etc/crontab probably - although I think it's anacron in Ubuntu [04:14] <Aerotrace> Snippy: No idea. [04:14] <reka> kr: (i'd try xlassie 1st) [04:14] <seif> how do i add a new menu in the gnome panel besides "Applications" "Places" "System" [04:14] <Snippy> Aerotrace, ok.. [04:15] <Aerotrace> Line out? You mean like, MIDI ports? [04:15] <Snippy> no the simple line out of my sound card [04:15] <Snippy> the line out jack [04:15] <Snippy> its like a second jack for the speakers [04:15] <Aerotrace> PCM, maybe? No idea really. [04:15] <Aerotrace> Yeh, its PCM, cause my speakers are plugged into that [04:16] <Snippy> alsamixer -> everything checked.. [04:16] <Kyral> thoreauputic, its there, nm :D [04:16] <Aerotrace> BTW Snippy, its me, Stormx. I just wanted to have a nick that wasn't registered. [04:17] <Snippy> oh [04:17] <Snippy> lol [04:17] <Snippy> hello :) [04:17] <kr> reka: ok i have done that , what next [04:19] <reka> kr: is it to your liking? [04:19] <kr> yes [04:19] <reka> kr: then: sudo apt-get install xlassie [04:20] <reka> kr: btw, if you want to use a graphical application to install packages instead of using commands like how i've taught you, there is a program called synaptic [04:20] <reka> system > admin > synaptic [04:21] <kr> i know about synaptic, didnt know what to search for there, now its installed, do i just exit terminal and ist ok [04:22] <reka> kr: if nothing showed up in the apps > internet menu, then try running xlassie through the terminal [04:24] <Kyral> I cannot believe there is no commandline Prepend function for text files [04:24] <kr> what do i write in terminal, did not show in apps [04:24] <Kyral> Wait.... [04:24] <reka> kr: try 'xlassie' [04:24] <Kyral> thats gonna be hard to do in C++ [04:25] <kr> ok it came up a small window in upper left corner whith a number in it [04:25] <dazjorz> hello [04:26] <dazjorz> i've got a little question [04:26] <Kyral> lets see, need to include <string> and <iostream>.... [04:26] <dazjorz> just for ehh,.. luxery [04:26] <dazjorz> is it possible to make a screen like the tty's [04:26] <dazjorz> that if I do alt+f12 or something [04:26] <dazjorz> that you see a bmp image stored somewhere [04:27] <dazjorz> for example,. a terminal that shows an image fullscreen without a key to exit it ? [04:27] <kr> i suppose that is the notifier and the number is unread emails [04:27] <reka> kr: probably...what's the number? [04:28] <kr> 5 [04:28] <reka> kr: open up mozilla mail and see how many emails are unread [04:29] <thoreauputic> dazjorz: from a tty you could do for instance startx /usr/bin/feh -ZF somepic.png -- :1 to have an image display on tty8 (needs feh installed) [04:29] <kr> do i exit terminal, i had 1 new email [04:30] <dazjorz> thoreauputic: Thanks, i'll try that [04:30] <dazjorz> But, erm,.. [04:30] <dazjorz> that starts the X server ? [04:30] <reka> kr: b/c you ran xlassie through terminal, it would probably close it if you exit [04:30] <thoreauputic> dazjorz: you can run any app that way - yes it starts an xserver on tty8 [04:30] <dazjorz> I don't want that luxery to make the server even a bit slower [04:30] <dazjorz> actually... [04:31] <kr> maybe i can restart the computer and se what happens [04:31] <reka> kr: i'll leave you to play with it. if it's not good enough, try one of the others out there. [04:31] <kr> thank you my friend [04:31] <dazjorz> thoreauputic: is it possible to display an image without X-server [04:31] <dazjorz> ? [04:31] <thoreauputic> dazjorz: hmm - framebuffer I guess - never tried it [04:32] <dazjorz> OK [04:32] <dazjorz> Thanks for your help :) [04:32] <dazjorz> !framebuffer [04:32] <ubotu> dazjorz: I don't know, could you explain it? [04:32] <thoreauputic> np [04:34] <peter_> hello [04:37] <asfra> hi, I'm using alsa as my sound output, but only one program can use it at one time. How can I fix that? [04:37] <reka> !sound [04:37] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 [04:37] <reka> asfra: i used that. ymmv [04:38] <asfra> reka, I'm not following.. what do you mean? [04:38] <reka> asfra: follow the link ubotu spat out [04:38] <asfra> reka, ok [04:39] <ZincX> is there a quicktime plugin ? [04:39] <thoreauputic> !multimedia [04:39] <ubotu> well, multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia [04:39] <Snippy> !ntfs [04:39] <ubotu> it has been said that ntfs is the filesystem used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab [04:39] <Subfix> Any experienced Ubuntu users care to give me hand with my USB mouse? [04:39] <thoreauputic> ZincX: read ubotu 's URL [04:39] <asfra> !sound [04:39] <ubotu> well, sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 [04:39] <ZincX> thoreauputic, k [04:40] <thoreauputic> ZincX: there are several ways to get quicktime working [04:40] <thoreauputic> ZincX: you need w32codecs [04:40] <Snippy> !love [04:40] <ubotu> from memory, love is life [04:40] <Snippy> lol [04:40] <thoreauputic> !w32codecs [04:40] <asfra> hehe [04:40] <ubotu> well, w32codecs is a set of codecs needed to play many common audio and video formats, such as WMV. You can install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ) [04:40] <asfra> !mplayer [04:40] <ubotu> I heard mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto [04:40] <Snippy> !hate [04:40] <ubotu> Snippy: Wish i knew [04:40] <kemik> !vlc [04:40] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, vlc is a media player with native support for a large handfull of popular formats and excellent streaming support [04:40] <asfra> !women [04:40] <Snippy> :D [04:40] <ubotu> asfra: Are you smoking crack? [04:41] <Snippy> !ccc [04:41] <ubotu> Wish i knew, Snippy [04:41] <Hg80> someone tell me what system monitor this is http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=3&id=17463&file1=17463-1.jpg&file2=17463-2.jpg&file3=17463-3.jpg&name=Metal4kde [04:41] <kemik> apokryphos: still like vlc? ;) [04:41] <asfra> !marriage [04:41] <ubotu> asfra: I don't know, could you explain it? [04:41] <apokryphos> kemik: decent enough, yeah. Realised yesterday that a friend of mine on Windoze uses it too [04:41] <reka> guys, if you want to play with ubotu /msg it [04:41] <asfra> !windows [04:41] <ubotu> it has been said that windows is Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative [04:42] <eruin> lol, that looks like an apple computer gone bad [04:42] <reka> stop spamming the channel [04:42] <kemik> mmh it's multiplatform =) [04:42] <Snippy> lol [04:42] <anacron> help help, my usb mouse won't work anymore, what modules to load? i did modprobe usbhid already [04:42] <asfra> reka: sorry [04:42] <kemik> hmm [04:42] <kemik> !alternative [04:42] <ubotu> from memory, alternative is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant [04:42] <Subfix> anacron: My USB Mouse doesn't work either, but it never has.. [04:42] <Snippy> !cedega [04:42] <ubotu> it has been said that cedega is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega [04:43] <Subfix> and I can't find any information regarding it... [04:43] <ZincX> thoreauputic, is there quicktime plugin for firefox ? [04:43] <Kyral> Has anyone tried EnlightenedGnome? [04:44] <ZincX> thoreauputic, got it.. thanx :D [04:44] <kemik> ZincX: you should be able to play .mov files with either mplayer or videolan [04:44] <Snippy> !windows [04:44] <ubotu> I heard windows is Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative [04:44] <eruin> totem-xine and w32codecs = *bliss [04:44] <traveller> there's a small beeping sound whenever a key is pressed, is there a way i can stop that? [04:44] <kemik> eruin: hardly.. try videolan instead [04:45] <eruin> kemik, videolan doesnt supply a neat firefox plugin [04:45] <eruin> that just works [04:45] <kemik> dunno. i'm using mplayer as my firefox plugin [04:45] <thoreauputic> kemik: people's experience varies with videolan/vlc - xine works best for me here for example [04:45] <kemik> thoreauputic: that's crazy-talk! :) [04:45] <reka> traveller: sys > prefs > sound > system bell [04:46] <thoreauputic> kemik: YMMV [04:46] <asfra> !dvd [04:46] <ubotu> it has been said that dvd is There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good. gstreamer-totem [04:46] <traveller> reka: it's not the system bell because it's coming from my speakers, and it beeps everytime a key is pressed, or the repeat starts to kick in [04:47] <Subfix> just think of it as a typewriter feature :D [04:47] <traveller> Subfix: it's getting annoying :/ [04:47] <Subfix> yeah. i'll bet. sorry I can't help :| [04:48] <dazjorz> erm [04:48] <dazjorz> how do I get a console that starts a specific order at boot [04:48] <ompaul> what are the properties of the trash can on the panel? [04:48] <guardianx> can some1 in here show me how nvtv work?? i could never get it to display on the tv propertly [04:48] <Subfix> anyone know what the problem might be with my USB Mouse not doing anything at all? I've tried messing with the xorg.conf, but frankly I don't know what I'm doing all that well there. [04:49] <dazjorz> for example, a virtual console that runs /bin/dothis [04:49] <reka> ompaul: need more info [04:49] <dazjorz> that you can access by pressing alt+f12 [04:49] <ompaul> reka, right click on the bin and tell me the command line that is used from the heading propertiex [04:49] <ompaul> reka, properties please [04:50] <thoreauputic> dazjorz: I think you need to be logged in first [04:50] <jsgotangco> hey all [04:50] <guardianx> how do i make my unbunto box see my windows network??? ( my pc can see and wire files to my unbuntu box alredy ) [04:50] <_silvertear> hey, when i check mail in with kmail, i get Error Transmission Failed: could not lock /var/mail/silvertear.lock [04:50] <reka> ompaul: there is no properties option available [04:50] <thoreauputic> jsgotangco: hi there :) [04:50] <dazjorz> threauputic: Ermm, it loads at boot. [04:50] <reka> ompaul: it's probably just nautilus with directory set as ~/.Trash [04:50] <jsgotangco> thoreauputic: hi! [04:51] <_silvertear> what permissions should i cahnge to fix it? [04:51] <jsgotangco> thoreauputic: err..shouldn't you be sleeping by now :) [04:51] <thoreauputic> dazjorz: erm - how can anything be run until you have a shell ? [04:51] <_silvertear> i did a sudo chmod +x /var/mail, but it didn't work [04:51] <ompaul> reka, solved :) right clicked on panel and used Add to Panel - after that it was a matter of lock to panel [04:51] <guardianx> ow do i make my unbunto box see my windows network??? ( my pc can see and write files to my unbuntu box alredy ) [04:51] <thoreauputic> jsgotangco: heh - of course ;) [04:51] <Subfix> guardianx, which windows version? [04:51] <reka> ompaul: then the question would've been, how do i add the trash can to the panel. :-/ [04:51] <_silvertear> guardianx: try looking at smb://workgroup/ [04:52] <Amaranth> Wow. That's the worst spelling of Ubuntu I've seen yet. [04:52] <jsgotangco> lol [04:52] <Subfix> amaranth, I have a habit of ubunto ... [04:52] <ompaul> reka, well when you told me there were no properties I had to figure what was the next thing I would do, so I right clicked and it became obvious [04:52] <guardianx> subfix - the pc workgoup name is goku ....... and it is on window xp [04:52] <dazjorz> thoreaputic: I don't think you have to be logged in to execute a command. But, though, I just want alt+F12 to display an image. I already have a program that displays it. I want Alt+F12 do display that [04:53] <_silvertear> maybe GET smb://guku/ ? i'm not sure though [04:53] <kaffeend> Is there a default root password I can use to run an app? [04:53] <kaffeend> to install rather [04:53] <guardianx> silvertear - do i type that into shell? [04:53] <thoreauputic> dazjorz: you don't have to be logged in to run a command - I just don't know how you can get a display without a login: maybe it's possible, dunno [04:53] <_silvertear> well i tried it, but i got that smb protocol not supported [04:53] <_silvertear> so maybe try your web browser [04:54] <_silvertear> if i put smb://workgroup/comp/sharedfolder i get like a ftp-type thing [04:54] <asfra> !java [04:54] <thoreauputic> dazjorz: I guess alt-F12 would be -- :5 though [04:55] <_silvertear> any luck? [04:55] <dazjorz> thoreaputic: I think I know how to connect a tty to a F-key [04:55] <kaffeend> no bot? [04:55] <dazjorz> errm /etc/inittab ? [04:55] <thoreauputic> dazjorz: I'm not psychic and I don't know what you may or may not know - I was just trying to help [04:56] <dazjorz> ???? [04:56] <Subfix> Anyone have any ideas as to why my out-of-the-box USB mouse doesn't work in ubuntu? [04:56] <dazjorz> thoreaputic ??? [04:57] <thoreauputic> dazjorz: sorry I thought you were pointing out that knowing -- :5 was tty12 was obvious: misunderstanding I guess [04:57] <reka> Subfix: what model? [04:58] <Subfix> reka: it's a logitech, i'm not sure of the model... I never paid attention to the model of my mouse... all I know is that it's a 2 button+scroll wheel(and button) optical mouse [04:58] <dazjorz> thoreaputic: Sorry, since 3 sentances ago, I don't understand you anymore.. Could you explain ? [04:58] <kaffeend> Is there a default root password I can use to install an app please, anyone? [04:58] <Subfix> it's nothing fancy.. [04:58] <_silvertear> kaffeend: do you know about sudo? [04:58] <reka> Subfix: tries unplugging it at boot, and then plugging it in after login? [04:58] <guardianx> how do i view views on a window network the network name is goku [04:58] <reka> *tried [04:58] <kaffeend> _silvertear yes kinda [04:59] <kaffeend> _silvertear I'm a n00b [04:59] <thoreauputic> dazjorz: I was just pointing out that (if) you wanted an x-server on tty12 it would be for example startx -- :5 [04:59] <Subfix> reka, no, but I have unplugged it/replugged it in.. only after it was all started up though... [04:59] <_silvertear> "sudo synaptic" lets you install apps precompiled and configured for ubuntu [04:59] <Subfix> reka: would I have to do that every time? :( [04:59] <dazjorz> thoreauputic: I just found this in inittab: F-key : something :respawn: command [04:59] <reka> Subfix: no, guess that's equivalent [04:59] <kaffeend> _silvertear yup [05:00] <dazjorz> thoreauputic: would that be: 12:23:respawn:/bin/showwarning [05:00] <reka> Subfix: search ubuntuforums.org while you wait [05:00] <_silvertear> hey, i'm a n00b too, i came here trying to find out how to fetch mail from /var/mail/silvertear [05:00] <Subfix> reka: yeah I looked all of there and googled [05:00] <dazjorz> thoreauputic: I'm not running X-window i think -- I'm trying to run an SDL application [05:00] <guardianx> how do i view views on a window network the network name is goku [05:01] <Subfix> reka: i came here hoping for an answer, but I also have a post on the forum, hopefully someone'll help... they had me paste my xorg.conf but no replies after that :) [05:01] <kaffeend> _silvertear I'm specifically trying to install Enemy Territory on a amd64 system [05:01] <digitalslave> anyone have sound issude with an audigy 2? [05:01] <guardianx> how do i view files on a window network the network name is goku - ultimately i would like to watch movies file from there i dont want to download it to my ubuntu box [05:01] <thoreauputic> dazjorz: I don't know anything about SDL except that it exists: something to do with games? [05:01] <_silvertear> kaffeend: do you have the source? [05:01] <digitalslave> sound is on and you can hear it thud when starting up but no sound in X [05:01] <reka> guardianx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//SettingUpSamba maybe? [05:01] <kaffeend> _silvertear I dunno [05:02] <reka> Subfix: well, i'm not sure, sorry. Good luck though, don't give up. [05:02] <dazjorz> thoreauputic: I don't know much about SDL either, only that it has something with graphics,.. It can show a BMP file and it is for C++, [05:02] <Subfix> reka: Thanks for the effort [05:02] <guardianx> reka- i after reading that place i was able to make my window see the unbuntu box..... but i couldnt get my unbuntu box to see the windows pc... what did i do wrong? [05:03] <kaffeend> _silvertear I just have what I d/loaded [05:03] <_silvertear> is it in .tar.gz format? [05:03] <reka> guardianx: wrong person to ask...i have no clue about networking [05:03] <reka> digitalslave: not even syhstem sounds? [05:04] <reka> *system [05:04] <digitalslave> nope [05:04] <digitalslave> just a terminal beep [05:04] <kaffeend> _silvertear It's a shell script I think [05:04] <kaffeend> .run [05:05] <_silvertear> if .run is the filename, cd into that directory and do "./.run" [05:05] <kaffeend> k [05:06] <digitalslave> it does how ever recognize the sound card and sounds are enabled but no shound [05:06] <Subfix> guardianx: XP Pro or Home? ... if XP try turning off 'simple file sharing' [05:06] <guardianx> subfix i have win xp [05:07] <Subfix> pro or home [05:07] <_silvertear> digitalslave: i had that problem, i opened up kmix (kde mixer) and just turned on some dials, and it worked. did you try playing with the mixer? [05:07] <guardianx> pro [05:07] <digitalslave> yes mixer looks good [05:07] <Subfix> disable 'simple file sharing' ... i read it on some forum concerning the topic [05:07] <Subfix> in XP Pro that is... i'm not sure where it's at though :) [05:07] <guardianx> :( [05:07] <_silvertear> digitalslave: sry then i don't know. alsaconf and mixer are the only two things i know about sound on linux [05:08] <_silvertear> ugh ugly underscore in name [05:08] <priest> is there a way to start a program minimized in gnome? [05:08] <guardianx> well right now my unbuntu box can ftp into my window box but in order to view the movie files it have to download the movie b4 opening it [05:08] <Oniano|iBook> hey... http://pastebin.arslinux.com/2216 [05:08] <Oniano|iBook> could somebody have a look at that [05:09] <Subfix> guardianx: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304040 [05:09] <Subfix> phft [05:09] <Oniano|iBook> thats from /var/log/syslog just before gnome freezes [05:09] <Oniano|iBook> during log in [05:09] <Emanuelez> hello [05:09] <digitalslave_> _silvertear you have an audigy2? [05:09] <EasterSunshine> yep [05:10] <djp> ,imagemagick [05:10] <Emanuelez> i'm downloading hoary cd to install it on a presario r3000 notebook. is there anything i should be careful of? [05:10] <digitalslave_> hmm dont know why it doesnt work [05:10] <dazjorz> Can I get a C++ program to display an image fullscreen on the console ? [05:10] <Subfix> Emanuelez: USB mice. j/k [05:10] <kaffeend> _silvertear I launched the game but it says "The recommended install colation (usr/local/games) requires root permissions." and asks for a password. That's where I'm lost :s [05:10] <Snippy> Emanuelez, check if the hardware is compatible first [05:11] <dazjorz> Can I get a C++ program to display an image fullscreen on the console, W I T H O U T X-window ? [05:11] <reka> dazjorz: no [05:11] <crashd> dazjorz: using framebuffer [05:11] <reka> or maybe yes :) [05:11] <dazjorz> chrasd: How do I put an image on the framebuffer ? [05:11] <crashd> dazjorz: someone else will have already wrote it [05:11] <Emanuelez> Snippy, as gar as i could find on google the main problem is the card readre but i don't care much about it [05:11] <crashd> the program you seek [05:11] <crashd> check freshmeat [05:11] <crashd> or [05:11] <sorush20> guys how do I hotplug a laserjet 1000 printer.. can anyone help please.. its just that this printer needs to have its firmware uploaded every time it tries to print.. [05:11] <crashd> google for "using the linux framebuffer" [05:11] <dazjorz> crashd: Where do I find it ? [05:11] <EasterSunshine> kaffeend: then try "sudo ./.run" but be careful, with sudo, the script can do anything to your comp [05:12] <Snippy> Emanuelez, you may try with a live-cd of ubuntu first [05:12] <jfk303> heyko_, I want to get the RubyOnRails framework, I read the easiest way is to download it using rubygems. Can I apt-get for RubyGems? [05:12] <apokryphos> dazjorz: of course [05:12] <EasterSunshine> you'll need your user password [05:12] <bateau> hey! i got this problem with X, when i logg in, nothing happens. im now running in "safemode" or what its called. is there a way to reset X or somthing? i must have changed something, but i dont know what :x [05:12] <jfk303> I want to get the RubyOnRails framework, I read the easiest way is to download it using rubygems. Can I apt-get for RubyGems? [05:12] <apokryphos> dazjorz: konsole, e/aterm etc etc [05:12] <kaffeend> eastersunshine k... [05:12] <digitalslave_> also cant find the kernel source anyway so i can install up to date nvidia drivers [05:12] <Fire> so how do you start rc-sripts [05:12] <Emanuelez> is it possible toinstall a lightweight window manager on ubuntu? something like xfce or icewm? [05:12] <crashd> Emanuelez: read the howto/guide [05:12] <Snippy> Emanuelez, yes [05:12] <crashd> it tells you how to use xfce in there [05:12] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: no, he means in a tty outside of X [05:12] <Fire> I want start popfile, but it doesn't seem to start there [05:13] <dazjorz> apokryphos: -.-' the console without any X-window. -.-' [05:13] <thoreauputic> Emanuelez: sure [05:13] <Emanuelez> cool [05:13] <apokryphos> :| [05:13] <Emanuelez> :) [05:13] <kaffeend> eastersunshine says command not found [05:13] <Snippy> ;) [05:13] <reka> bateau: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [05:13] <dazjorz> apokryphos: I said that. [05:13] <Emanuelez> crashd, thank u :) [05:13] <crashd> no's Emanuelez [05:13] <crashd> np's, rather [05:13] <EasterSunshine> did you sudo back into that same directory where .run was? [05:13] <crashd> it's been a long time :\ [05:13] <bateau> thanx reka :D ill try it out [05:13] <crashd> day! long day! [05:13] <EasterSunshine> i mean, did you cd back into it? [05:14] <EasterSunshine> or is sudo not found? cause if sudo is not found...then i don't think you are using ubuntu... [05:14] <ouroboros1827> lol [05:14] <Chousuke> dazjorz: With framebufer it is possible I guess. [05:14] <Chousuke> dazjorz: using the fbi program [05:15] <Chousuke> buffer* [05:15] <kaffeend> eastersunshine um, sudo: ./.run: command not found [05:15] <Chousuke> Damn I hate lag [05:15] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: if you want to runs a .run file, either make it executable with chmod +x then run ./file.run, or run it with sh file.run [05:15] <EasterSunshine> he needs root permissions [05:15] <kaffeend> thoreauputic thanks :P [05:16] <digitalslave_> anyone know what the kernel source is called exactly? [05:16] <LinuxJones> digitalslave, linux-source [05:17] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: hey, long time no see :) [05:17] <digitalslave_> thanks - yippie now nvidia graphics here i come [05:17] <Subfix> hmm [05:18] <EasterSunshine> hey, anyone how to fix it that kmail complains: cannot lock /var/mail/silvertear? [05:18] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, hi where have you been :) [05:18] <apokryphos> digitalslave_: you can just apt for it [05:18] <digitalslave_> if you know what its called [05:18] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: I was off for a few months (exams), but I've been back now for at least a month or so. :) [05:18] <digitalslave_> installing with synaptic right now [05:18] <kaffeend> thoreauputic I'm just getting stuck on: ----- Client Initialization Complete ----- [05:18] <kaffeend> ----- R_Init ----- [05:18] <kaffeend> ...loading libGL.so.1: Received signal 11, exiting... [05:18] <apokryphos> digitalslave_: the nvidia driver, that is. [05:19] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, I hope everything went well. [05:19] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: that's a segfault - a crash [05:19] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: not too bad, I thought. Will find out on the 18th. Missed a lot while I was away, but have catched up pretty much now. Where've you been? [05:19] <kaffeend> thoreauputic I can see that ;) [05:19] <Snippy> hey LinuxJones ;) [05:19] <digitalslave_> upgrading to 7667 from nvidia site - faster than common 7174 [05:20] <guardianx> is there a good newsreader for ubuntu??? [05:20] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: a segfault usually means a bug in the program, so.... you may be out of luck: did you prepend "sudo" ? [05:20] <thoreauputic> guardianx: pan [05:20] <EasterSunshine> guardianx: pan [05:20] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, I have been working my skinny behind off 10 hours a day doing manual labour...rather tired when I get home each night :D [05:20] <guardianx> do i have to install pan ? [05:20] <apokryphos> digitalslave_: could you LMK if that goes alright? =) [05:21] <apokryphos> digitalslave_: may do it as well [05:21] <EasterSunshine> sudo apt-get install pan? [05:21] <digitalslave_> LMK? [05:21] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: it's all worth it when the pay-check comes [05:21] <digitalslave_> let me know - oh yeah [05:21] <kaffeend> thoreauputic no, I just double-clicked the et.sh file I'd already unpacked LOL [05:21] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, true but I hurt my back on wednesday and it's not getting much better :( [05:21] <digitalslave_> look like i will have to install at run level 1 - hopefully the right services will be running [05:21] <ZincX> hey.. i dont have mplayer-386 [05:21] <ZincX> on my list [05:22] <guardianx> after i run the command sudo apt-get install pan ....... how do i get pan to run?? [05:22] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: darn :(. Lift from the feet. My dad has slight back-injuries too. Can be a dodgy business. [05:22] <EasterSunshine> type in pan maybe [05:22] <EasterSunshine> into a shell [05:22] <digitalslave_> type pan [05:22] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: you don't want to run et as root, that's for sure - so don't run it with sudo ;) [05:22] <LinuxJones> guardianx, hit alt + F2 then type pan (it will auto-complete for you) [05:22] <digitalslave_> should pauto complete after apt [05:22] <EasterSunshine> or you can probably find it in applications:// [05:22] <reka> ZincX: enable multiverse [05:22] <kaffeend> thoreauputic I don't? [05:23] <ZincX> reka, i think its enabled [05:23] <charlonet> slt [05:23] <EasterSunshine> i mean, programs:// [05:23] <dazjorz> The installation of Flash Player asks me for a browser path, what do I fill in for Konqueror ? [05:23] <digitalslave_> grr need sound so i can play games :( [05:23] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, I'm sure i have just strained a muscle but it sucks ;) [05:23] <charlonet> ya quelqu'un qui parle franais ici [05:23] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: erm - you don't run apps/games as root, no [05:23] <reka> ZincX: double check [05:23] <apokryphos> Indeed. [05:23] <dazjorz> charlonet: un peu [05:23] <charlonet> ok [05:23] <reka> !fr [05:23] <thoreauputic> kafeine: I thought you were still installing it [05:23] <ubotu> [fr] Va a #ubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais [05:23] <kaffeend> thoreauputic ok then [05:23] <charlonet> j'ai besoin d'aide [05:23] <dazjorz> !nl [05:23] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, dazjorz [05:24] <charlonet> pr installer kde [05:24] <dazjorz> !nl [05:24] <charlonet> sur ubuntu [05:24] <dazjorz> he doesnt even know dutch [05:24] <SudoPus> Hey all....looking for specific information using Ubuntu/Kubuntu to rip and transcode dvd...Googling only reveals outdated information...and I don't want to chance mixing deb packages that are not packaged for Ubuntu...any suggestions? [05:24] <dazjorz> !nl [05:24] <thoreauputic> charlonet: /join #ubuntu-fr [05:24] <dazjorz> !dutch [05:24] <ubotu> I don't know, dazjorz [05:24] <charlonet> klk pourrai m'aider [05:24] <dazjorz> pff [05:24] <digitalslave_> should i install libesd-also0 for the audigy2? [05:24] <dazjorz> Where is Konqueror installed ? [05:24] <digitalslave_> it would remove libesd0 [05:24] <ZincX> reka, its in /etc/apt rite ? [05:24] <Booster> Yo [05:24] <LinuxJones> dazjorz, in console type whereis konqueror [05:25] <thoreauputic> charlonet: tu pourras trouvez de l'aide en francais sur le canal #ubuntu-fr [05:25] <dazjorz> thanks, linuxjones [05:25] <thoreauputic> *trouver [05:25] <apokryphos> dazjorz: all over the place. Why? [05:25] <reka> ZincX: soureces.list? yes [05:25] <Booster> Hey, in wine, it complains that it can't find DLLs. How can I tell it their in the same directory as the EXE? [05:25] <charlonet> merci [05:25] <ZincX> reka, #deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [05:25] <chtank> I am having all kinds of problems with Synaptic, I will wait for my new install cd and install it, then try again [05:26] <ZincX> i shud enable that line ? is it ? [05:26] <dazjorz> linuxjones / apokryphos: The Flash installation program asks me for a directory where Konqueror is installed. /usr/bin/konqueror says that that is not a directory, /usr/bin tells me that its not a valid path [05:26] <charlonet> slt [05:26] <charlonet> merci [05:26] <reka> ZincX: er, think that's backports ... hang on [05:26] <Subfix> anyone have any tips for getting my USB mouse to work ? [05:26] <apokryphos> dazjorz: to get flash running on Konqueror just install flashplayer-mozilla [05:26] <firestorm> Hi. How can I see if sendmail is installed from the command line? [05:26] <leon> I installed a firewire card in my PC. Kino says that raw1294 module isnt installed or that /dev/raw1394 isnt rewritable. How do I find out what the problem is and how do I fix this? Thank you. [05:26] <chtank> thanks for your help guys, but synaptic used for Ubuntu does not pick up all the required dependancies [05:26] <reka> ZincX: [05:27] <reka> deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse [05:27] <reka> deb-src ftp://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse [05:27] <dazjorz> apokryphos: E: Could not find package flashplayer-mozilla [05:27] <dazjorz> !flashplayer [05:27] <ubotu> dazjorz: I haven't a clue [05:27] <apokryphos> dazjorz: enable Multiverse [05:27] <chtank> see you later [05:27] <dazjorz> !search flashplayer [05:27] <ubotu> dazjorz: I don't know, could you explain it? [05:27] <dazjorz> !find flashplayer [05:27] <apokryphos> dazjorz: well, Universe actually [05:27] <ubotu> flashplayer-mozilla: (Macromedia Flash Player), section multiverse/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-0.0 (hoary), Packaged size: 956 kB, Installed size: 2136 kB [05:27] <apokryphos> heh, I guess not [05:27] <reka> ZincX: might want to remove the au if you want [05:27] <dazjorz> Apokryphos: Thought I had that already..? [05:27] <LinuxJones> dazjorz, install them into your /home/user/.mozilla/plugins folder then tell konqueror to look in there for the plugins [05:27] <apokryphos> ubotu: Multiverse is not enabled, no, if you don't find it. [05:27] <ubotu> ...but multiverse is already something else... [05:27] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: anything non-free like flash --> multiverse [05:28] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: it does that automatically ;-) [05:28] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: yah [05:28] <Fire> can anyone run popfile? [05:28] <unsec1> I am still having problems getting this wecam to go. But making progress. My tail of woe is shown here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=290518#post290518 [05:28] <unsec1> webcom [05:28] <unsec1> webcam [05:28] <Fire> I'm looking for people who have it working [05:29] <dazjorz> LinuxJones / Apokryphos: I changed sources,list, the cdrom was at the top and now its commented, but still it can't find the package flashplayer-mozilla [05:29] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, it's been a long time since I ran kde and am going from memory...which is not working too well ATM :) [05:29] <apokryphos> dazjorz: no, you have to add the Universe repository. Uncomment the line with "multiverse" [05:29] <thoreauputic> dazjorz: you can configure konq plugins from the konq preferences - ther's a plugin dialogue in there somewhere [05:29] <firestorm> Hi. 'apt-get install qmail' doesn't work. Any hints? [05:29] <apokryphos> dazjorz: or, add "multiverse" to the line that has "universe" [05:29] <Subfix> Anyone use a basic USB mouse that could privmsg me their xorg.conf mouse section or somethin'? :D [05:29] <dazjorz> Apokryphos: OK [05:30] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: pretty well, I'd say. That would be the process for some other plugins, indeed ;-) [05:30] <ZincX> reka, no luck [05:30] <thoreauputic> Subfix: a USB mouse should "just work" as soon as you plug it in... [05:30] <kestas> how do I enable the NX bit in Hoary? [05:30] <Subfix> thoreauputic: : Yeah... so I heard .. doesn't seem to be the case for me though. I don't know why [05:31] <thoreauputic> Subfix: :( hmmm [05:31] <dazjorz> Apokryphos: Hoppa, it works, thanks [05:31] <Subfix> thoreauputic: it's quite annoying, I want to try Ubuntu instead of this Mandriva... [05:31] <leon> How do I install new pci cards? [05:31] <apokryphos> dazjorz: cool. As a note, you can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC [05:31] <Doomhammer> leon: google for "installing PCI cards howto" [05:31] <thoreauputic> Subfix: I would assume this is handled by hotplug... dunno [05:32] <guardianx> man this is my last day with linux........ i'm goin back to windows.... i cant fight the system * frown * [05:32] <dazjorz> apokryphos: Huh ? Thanks, I didnt know that. [05:32] <Doomhammer> gaurdianx: noooo! don't go back to the Dark Side! [05:32] <apokryphos> dazjorz: it comes in very handy, yup :) [05:32] <guardianx> i spend days tryijng to get the movies out to the tv and i cant [05:33] <dazjorz> apokryphos: It doesnt work for my own username :S [05:33] <Fire> sigh, gentoo is complicated, but ubuntu is all shiny, but lacks in apps :/ [05:33] <dazjorz> dazjorz [05:33] <dazjorz> huh :S [05:33] <apokryphos> dazjorz: the client makers presuppose that you won't be talking to yourself ;-) [05:33] <leon> How do I install the firewire module? [05:33] <guardianx> i install nvtv was able to get the the tv out to work but could never get the movie to fit in the tv........ [05:33] <Doomhammer> Fire: well then install some apps [05:33] <thoreauputic> guardianx: something to do with v4l - video for linux? Just guessing [05:33] <Doomhammer> leon: it should already be installed [05:34] <guardianx> thorea - i'm jus trying to view movies on the tv [05:34] <digitalslave_> i have sound!!!!!!!!! [05:34] <guardianx> i could never get the whole movie to fit on the tv [05:34] <digitalslave_> audigy 2 was stuck on digital instead of analog [05:34] <guardianx> it is always too big [05:34] <digitalslave_> sheesh [05:34] <Fire> Doomhammer some apps aren't in apt-get ^^ [05:34] <dazjorz> Why do I have to use sudo apt-get and not just apt-get [05:34] <dazjorz> Cant I give myself access to the lockfile ? [05:34] <guardianx> i'm jus about to reboot and head back to the windows camp i jus cant fight the system [05:35] <guardianx> *frown * [05:35] <Fire> like that ivan rpg game thingy [05:35] <unsec1> I just tried my webcam with VLC for gtk+ and my screen went black [05:35] <m0td> > abi@smaug:~$ sudo modprobe ndiswrapper [05:35] <m0td> > FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted [05:35] <m0td> > abi@smaug:~$ apt-get install linux-source [05:35] <unsec1> couldn't alt tab backspace out of it either [05:35] <apokryphos> dazjorz: installing packages is a system-wide thing, hence -- root privileges [05:35] <m0td> hey guys, I'm trying to get ndiswrapper working. When I run "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" at the command line, though, I get this error: [05:35] <m0td> (the one above) [05:35] <m0td> sorry for the multiline [05:35] <apokryphos> m0td: apt-cache search linux-source -- then select your relevant one [05:35] <delire> anyone interested in a Firefox speedup should look here. it really works: http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877-5810446.html?tag=nl.e011 [05:36] <m0td> yeah, as you can see I just tried downloading it as I came in here ;-) [05:36] <m0td> I'm getting it now [05:36] <m0td> thanks apokryphos [05:36] <Subfix> well. I'm off to try and figure out this mouse some more :D [05:36] <m0td> wow... I could get used to conversation [05:36] <m0td> I'm an old xchat fiend, but I just gave it a try when I started setting my sister's computer up with ubuntu [05:36] <digitalslave_> now if i can figure out how to install deb files i'll be rocking (used to use mandrake until it was too out of date) [05:36] <guardianx> bye my fellow linux user but i'm going back to the dark side..... i was a linux user for two days........ [05:37] <apokryphos> m0td: [k] onversation ;-) [05:37] <m0td> lol [05:37] <apokryphos> guardianx: adieu [05:37] <delire> hehe [05:37] <m0td> ^_^ [05:37] <thoreauputic> guardianx: give it a few weeks before you give up :) [05:37] <m0td> :yeahthat: [05:37] <delire> guardianx: good luck [05:37] <m0td> will I need to reboot after install the linux source pacakge? [05:37] <kestas> deserters are shot [05:37] <m0td> will I also need linux headers? [05:37] <thoreauputic> guardianx: see you when you get sick of bondage ;) [05:37] <m0td> the modprobe is still erroring [05:38] <m0td> thoreauputic: masochism too ;-) [05:38] <apokryphos> m0td: are you following the wiki on how to install it? [05:38] <dazjorz> is there a KDE SSH client ? [05:38] <guardianx> i jus cant get the dam nvtv to to work propertly. cant get it the movies to fit neatly on the tv. and i cant find help for it [05:38] <djp> thoreauputic: lol [05:38] <m0td> apokryphos: I was, but it didn't say anything about the linux headers/source [05:38] <Fire> so has anyone here used popfile on ubuntu? [05:38] <m0td> or I just didn't read carefully [05:38] <apokryphos> m0td: I have no idea if it does; just noticed you were trying to install linux-headers [05:38] <thoreauputic> dazjorz: use konqueror - type fish://hostname [05:39] <avsrer> Hi. I just installed Ubuntu Hedgehog and have problems with my resolution. I am using a laptop and I know that I should run 1400x1050, but it is currently set to 1024x786, and when I try to change the screen gets messy.. any other resolution that the one in use now is messy [05:39] <digitalslave_> guess it's time to install nvidia drivers then [05:39] <digitalslave_> see you guys in a few [05:39] <apokryphos> dazjorz: available kioslaves in Konqueror: ftp/sftp/fish [05:39] <delire> m0td: no you won't need to reboot. you'll need to unpack the package 'cd /usr/src && sudo tar xvjf linux-source-$(uname -r).tar.bz2' [05:39] <djp> guardianx: i used it a while back, when i sold my soul and installed the nvidia non-free driver. i'm sure there is some sort of configuration where you can move the picture around... [05:39] <Fire> avsrer menu system/preference/resolution [05:39] <m0td> delire: thanks, that's what I needed [05:39] <dazjorz> thoreauputic: It tells me it can't connect to the IP address [05:40] <Fire> avsrer thats the name of the program to change your resolution [05:40] <m0td> well... I had better try it first ;-) [05:40] <guardianx> djp i'm sure there is but it is so hard to find help on the linux side [05:40] <dazjorz> Could not connect to host [05:40] <avsrer> Fire, I'm able to change it but the screen is all messy when I change it [05:40] <unsec1> Sorry to repeat. and for anyone joining my Logitech Webcam tale of woe can be seen here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54854 [05:40] <HiddenWolf> Is anyone here familiar with fsck, and how to use it to fix a messed up pc? [05:40] <apokryphos> dazjorz: type fish://username@hostname [05:40] <thoreauputic> dazjorz: is there a server running at that IP ? (for ssh) [05:40] <dazjorz> thoreauputic: Think so, yes [05:40] <m0td> delire: man, that's clever how you stuck that command in there so you didn't have to tell me to figure out my linux version ;-) [05:40] <delire> m0td: of course you can just use a root nautilus session and right click 'extract' the archive ;) [05:40] <dazjorz> thoreauputic: I'll check [05:40] <guardianx> the dark side everything works----- but i have to admit the unbuntu is the best flavor out of linux distro [05:40] <thoreauputic> dazjorz: try apokryphos 's suggestion [05:40] <m0td> nautilus... *shudder* [05:40] <Fire> avsrer so 1400x1050 is messy? [05:40] <guardianx> and i tried red hat, suse, and fedora [05:41] <m0td> guardianx: those all suck [05:41] <guardianx> but the dark force is too strong [05:41] <delire> m0td: yeah a good trick. [05:41] <Fire> guardianx whats the problem [05:41] <m0td> man, I have GOT to get capslock bound to control >< [05:41] <avsrer> Fire, yes.. same with others I've tried as well.. I*m sure 1400x1050 should be good with this screen though 'cause I've used it before [05:41] <delire> guardianx: windows was too much work for me. too hard. [05:41] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: not sure why, but around 1/20 (for me) it won't load it without specifying the username [05:41] <dazjorz> apokryphos / thoreauputic: No, same problem. On the SSH server I can do ssh localhost, which works. [05:42] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, what's wrong with your filesystem ? [05:42] <guardianx> fire - i'm trying to view my movies on the tv.... but when i use nvtv to switch to tv mode.. the picture is too big.. [05:42] <apokryphos> dazjorz: try ftp://username@localhost [05:42] <avsrer> Fire, I had to use another screen during install 'cause this screen was black. [05:42] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, you having trouble booting ? [05:42] <reka> avsrer: tried this? [05:42] <reka> !fixres [05:42] <ubotu> [fixres] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto [05:42] <HiddenWolf> LinuxJones: trying to figure it out. it won't boot. [05:42] <dazjorz> apokryphos / thoreauputic: Sorry, my bad. How do I reconfigure the network on the server, it has DHCP and I want it to be static. [05:42] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, does it come up with any errors or does the system just lock up ? [05:43] <Rebecca> does ubuntu use x.org by default? [05:43] <m0td> ok, I untarr'd the linux source, but I'm still getting the error [05:43] <Fire> sorry guardianx, I haven't played with that [05:43] <thoreauputic> Rebecca: yes [05:43] <Fire> :/ [05:43] <djp> guardianx: http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=01/05/29/2147241&mode=thread [05:43] <avsrer> Okay I'll check out the howto, thanks! [05:43] <Rebecca> thoreauputic: thanks :) [05:43] <HiddenWolf> LinuxJones: a bunch of I/O buffer errors on a load of blocks, then a message to do it manually [05:43] <HiddenWolf> s/do/fix [05:43] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, sounds like your hard drive is dying [05:43] <apokryphos> dazjorz: on your computer? [05:43] <Rebecca> does ubuntu have a stable AMD64 port? [05:44] <m0td> > abi@smaug:/usr/src$ sudo modprobe ndiswrapper [05:44] <m0td> > FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted [05:44] <m0td> > abi@smaug:/usr/src$ [05:44] <m0td> >< [05:44] <thoreauputic> Rebecca: it does [05:44] <HiddenWolf> LinuxJones: fortunatlly it's not mine. Any idea if there is anything I can do? [05:44] <m0td> abi@smaug:/usr/src$ ls /usr/src [05:44] <m0td> linux-source-2.6.10 linux-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2 rpm [05:44] <m0td> I've got it untarred, as you can see [05:44] <thoreauputic> Rebecca: a bit limited in the multimedia area though [05:44] <delire> incredible. this is important work: http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/pizza_party/ [05:44] <Rebecca> thoreauputic: how come? [05:44] <thoreauputic> Rebecca: codecs etc [05:44] <dazjorz> apokryphos: what is the command to reconfigure network? netcfg ? [05:45] <thoreauputic> Rebecca: anything 32 bit requires a chroot [05:45] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, do you have an ubuntu live cd ? [05:45] <apokryphos> dazjorz: no idea. For setting up my dhcp I always use dhclient [05:45] <thoreauputic> dazjorz: man interfaces [05:45] <Rebecca> thoreauputic: im currently using debian-amd64, and was looking for something a bit multimedia friendly [05:45] <Rebecca> bit more* [05:45] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, or any livecd for that matter [05:45] <HiddenWolf> LinuxJones: yeah, it took 15 minutes to boot on this old pc, and then was totally unusable /slow/ [05:46] <thoreauputic> Rebecca: I haven't used it - someone else might know more [05:46] <Rebecca> ok [05:46] <m0td> does anyone else have some suggestions? [05:46] <m0td> x_x [05:46] <thoreauputic> bye all [05:46] <apokryphos> 'night thoreauputic :) [05:46] <m0td> bubye [05:46] <Doomhammer> night? [05:46] <Doomhammer> WTF? [05:46] <m0td> thanks for trying to help me [05:46] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: night :) [05:46] <delire> Rebecca: Mepis has all codecs (win32 codecs, Java, flash et al) running out of the box, albeit this makes it very 'non-free' [05:46] <Doomhammer> i just woke up O_o [05:46] <m0td> Doomhammer: different tz stupid ;-) [05:47] <Rebecca> delire: ok, ill take a look [05:47] <m0td> tz==timezone [05:47] <jonnnn> hi [05:47] <m0td> I should have clarified [05:47] <m0td> jonnnn: hi [05:47] <Doomhammer> m0td: yea, but what time zone is that? china? [05:47] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, argh, if you can boot into the livecd you could run a file check on your partitions but I lost a hard drive 2 months ago and had the same errors :( [05:47] <apokryphos> Rebecca: MEPIS is nce too, but far smaller development team (and community) in comparison to ubuntu, unfortunately [05:47] <HiddenWolf> LinuxJones: what is there that I *could* try, and how do I figure out what caused this. It's not worth fixing a dying drive, for instance [05:48] <Chaotic_Shield> hey everyone [05:48] <jonnnn> i just install realplayer when i tries to play a MP3 with it, it just stuck then i have to forcefully kill the realplayer process [05:48] <delire> Rebecca: it's a KDE/Debian based distribution. not as popular as Ubuntu (and certainly has less integrity) but a very slick distribution regardless. [05:48] <jonnnn> any idea where i'm doing any possible mistake [05:48] <reka> jonmasters: *cough* by playing mp3s with realplayer [05:49] <reka> jonnnn rather [05:49] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, if you boot into the Ubuntu install cd hit ctrl+alt+F2 and see if you can access fsck from that terminal. If you can you will be able to check the drives from there. [05:49] <znh> Random Fortune: Never make any mistaeks. -- Anonymous, in a mail discussion about to a kernel bug report [05:49] <znh> sorry [05:49] <jonnnn> reka, yep I wana play all my illegal MP3s with realplayer or alteset to hear online music [05:49] <Subfix> When Ubuntu is loading I get this error scrolling like 8 times: modprobe : FAILED : could not load /lib/modules/2.6.11-6mdk/modules.deb no such file or directory could this be why my USB mouse isn't working? ...what exactly is it anyways? [05:49] <reka> jonnnn: try a 'killall esd' before starting rp [05:50] <apokryphos> jonnnn: there's better players [05:50] <Doomhammer> Subfix: yea, that's probobly it... those are kernel modules that it isn't loading, similar to "drivers" for WinBlows [05:50] <HiddenWolf> LinuxJones: booting now (it's an old laptop from my neighbour) [05:50] <Chaotic_Shield> jonnnn, check out !mp3 [05:50] <Chaotic_Shield> !mp3 [05:50] <ubotu> rumour has it, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support [05:50] <reka> jonnnn: but yeah, what apokryphos said [05:50] <guardianx> what is the pw for root?? [05:50] <HiddenWolf> !sudo [05:50] <ubotu> [sudo] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [05:50] <apokryphos> guardianx: no root; use sudo [05:50] <Subfix> Doomhammer: Ah, I thought they had to do with drivers... I've installed it twice and had the same error... is there a way to download modules.deb alone so I can stick it in? [05:51] <Vital303> alsaconf returns [05:51] <Vital303> bash: alsaconf: command not found [05:51] <Doomhammer> Subfix, hmm, not that I know of :/ [05:51] <guardianx> but in order for me to install the nvida driva it say i need root access [05:51] <Subfix> crikey [05:51] <Subfix> Doomhammer: out on a limb here, but do you think you could supply it? .... [05:51] <deFrysk> Vital303, try alsactl [05:51] <apokryphos> Vital303: what are you trying to do? alsamixer perhaps [05:52] <HiddenWolf> guardianx: sudo gives you root acces for only those operations that need it. using it is much safer [05:52] <Doomhammer> Subfix: sure, i'll look if I have one... but it might screw you up -- you're on x86 right? [05:52] <Vital303> alsactl: Specify command... [05:52] <HiddenWolf> guardianx: read the rootsudo wiki page [05:52] <Subfix> Doomhammer: yeah I am, but hey it's worth a shot :D [05:52] <apokryphos> Vital303: as I said, what is it you're trying to do? [05:52] <apokryphos> HiddenWolf: all very debatable, of course =) [05:52] <Vital303> apokryphos: I want to detect my sound card [05:52] <Marve> help me [05:52] <HiddenWolf> guardianx: and the nvidia-drivers will be installed for you if you install linux-restricted-modules, without any messing about [05:52] <[NL] Zaggy> hi [05:53] <HiddenWolf> apokryphos: bah, everything is debatable [05:53] <Doomhammer> Subfix: hmm, that dir doesn't exist... you're on ubuntu right ? :S [05:53] <delire> hehe. name space not wide enough. [05:53] <apokryphos> Vital303: you don't use that; though I don't know how to do it [05:53] <Subfix> Doomhammer: indeed, latest one too.. just d/led the ISO off the main site about 2 days ago [05:53] <HiddenWolf> Marve: try describing the problem, then asking for help. ;) [05:53] <reka> next! [05:53] <Vital303> I have no sound [05:53] <Marve> thanks reka ;) [05:53] <Marve> I'm trying to make ubuntu find my PCMCIA-card.. [05:53] <apokryphos> HiddenWolf: not really; I'm talking about a substantiated discussion from either side [05:54] <Doomhammer> Subfix: well mine definately won't work, we're using different versions of the kernel... i have 2.6.10 but you have 2.6.11 [05:54] <ZincX> can someone give me multiverse lines :S [05:54] <apokryphos> !sources [05:54] <ubotu> [sources] at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be fount at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [05:54] <Marve> I've used ndiswrapper and tried to install the windows-drivers [05:54] <Subfix> Doomhammer: i see. thanks for the attempt.. [05:54] <jonnnn> !mp3 [05:54] <ubotu> I heard mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support [05:54] <[NL] Zaggy> How do I mount my usb hddcase? [05:54] <jonnnn> heh [05:54] <HiddenWolf> apokryphos: yeah, well. There is substantiated debate about a load of things. Including which distro rocks hardest. :) [05:54] <Doomhammer> Subfix: np, i'm sure someone else has a 2.6.11 kernel if you want to try :/ [05:54] <apokryphos> HiddenWolf: there is. And? :S [05:54] <Marve> but when I write Ndiswrapper -i /media/cdrom0/blahblah.inf it says "driver already installed" [05:55] <_abi> ok guys, I'm still getting "FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted" when I try "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" [05:55] <jonnnn> Chaotic_Shield okay not mp3 but how to hear online music without realplayer? [05:55] <Marve> _abi, me too! [05:55] <cute_bettong> anyone know how to braodcast music with Ubuntu over the net? [05:55] <reka> jonnnn: most players can stream music [05:55] <HiddenWolf> apokryphos: just tell people what's the way you do it, or you believe it's best, and if it's muddy, tell em to form their own opinion. :) [05:55] <delire> Marve: ndiswrapper can be a right pain the farce. [05:55] <m0td> lol Marve :( [05:55] <m0td> this is VERY annoyoing [05:55] <m0td> I have linux-source installed [05:55] <apokryphos> HiddenWolf: point is, sudo and su use the same security system; so in general they're both subject to the same flaws and strengths [05:56] <jonnnn> reka, i'm asken about listening from web browser [05:56] <m0td> and untarred [05:56] <Marve> when I write ndiswrapper -e blahblah.inf it says "blahblah.inf is not installed" [05:56] <watanabe88> may i ask for assistance with Limewire install [05:56] <Subfix> Doomhammer: I just mounted the ubunto drive to mandriva and searched and found modules.deb in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386 ...does that mean anything to you? :P [05:56] <HiddenWolf> apokryphos: true, but ubuntu seems to like sudo, so i'll just piont anyone to that wiki page. [05:56] <Doomhammer> Subfix: you found modules.deb on the ubuntu system, or the mandriva system? [05:57] <reka> jonnnn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia [05:57] <m0td> YES [05:57] <Subfix> Doomhammer: ubuntu... but wait. it's .dep ...wtf is .dep? ... [05:57] <m0td> I got it!!! [05:57] <apokryphos> HiddenWolf: I wasn't arguing with that, at all :). I like sudo (I prefer it). Your point that it was more secure was questionable. Heh, this has gone on -_) [05:57] <cute_bettong> i want to stream music so people can listen to it ^_^ how do i do it? [05:57] <apokryphos> damn you evil keyboard [05:57] <Doomhammer> Subfix: LOL! no idea, but a .deb is a package -- whe you apt-get something, it downloads the .deb and isntalls it [05:57] <[NL] Zaggy> How do I mount my usb hddcase? [05:57] <Subfix> Doomhammer: yeah. this is weird :( [05:58] <watanabe88> in installed Limewire using the ubuntu unofficial help directions and also installed Java [05:58] <Marve> I think there is a mount manager [05:58] <dazjorz> I'm bored. Now I've installed Linux on my PC and i've got nothing to do -.-' [05:58] <watanabe88> still limewire will not launch [05:58] <leon> cant setup my firewire card/camcorder to capture. Modules installed at bootup [05:58] <[NL] Zaggy> could anyone give me a hand at mounting my usb hddcase? [05:58] <apokryphos> watanabe88: what's the error message? [05:59] <Subfix> Doomhammer: is .ko a driver file? [05:59] <jonnnn> reka, okay thanks [05:59] <watanabe88> there is no error message apokryphos [05:59] <apokryphos> watanabe88: type limewire in terminal [05:59] <Doomhammer> Subfix: yea, that's a kernel module... same with .so and .o [05:59] <dazjorz> Jesus, now I've installed Ubuntu on my own computer and .. i'm BORED.... -.-' [05:59] <watanabe88> when i click on limewire icon nothing happens [05:59] <Subfix> Doomhammer: ok. modules.dep is a text files full of paths to .ko files etc. [06:00] <znh> dazjorz: learn how to program in python, it's the best way to waste your time ^_^ [06:00] <watanabe88> i typed limewire in terminal and it says command not found [06:00] <kr> i have installed xlassie notifier, but how do i get it to work whith mozilla mail, [06:00] <Doomhammer> watanabe88: it's having an error... you should try starting it in a console, and look at what it spits out [06:00] <apokryphos> watanabe88: you didn't follow the instructions correctly, then. [06:00] <LinuxJones> dazjorz, that means you've got a good operating system that you don't have to dick around with :) [06:00] <dazjorz> Lol [06:00] <dazjorz> Hey By the way [06:00] <apokryphos> dazjorz: install KDE ;-) [06:00] <znh> LinuxJones: maybe that's why windows (was) so popular :-P [06:00] <dazjorz> apokryphos: xP already have that [06:01] <dazjorz> I'm using Konversation so... [06:01] <LinuxJones> znh, :) [06:01] <watanabe88> okay apo, i've tried it 3 times using the ubuntu unofficial directions [06:01] <apokryphos> dazjorz: kdelook.org, then :P [06:01] <dazjorz> apokryphos: now I did fish://root@192.168.1.10 and i'm connected,..... and [06:01] <watanabe88> run it in console? [06:01] <znh> dazjorz: me 2 using konversation :) [06:01] <apokryphos> dazjorz: cool [06:01] <znh> dazjorz: have you seen OSD? - it is really awesome [06:01] <Doomhammer> so does anyone know why I would be having VERY low sound quality in KDE? [06:01] <dazjorz> apokryphos: now I can't use any console,... only like browse it [06:01] <watanabe88> how do i do that? [06:02] <znh> Doomhammer: lower your master and pcm to 70% [06:02] <apokryphos> dazjorz: ? to use console... use the console and ssh [06:02] <watanabe88> Doomhamer, how do run in console [06:02] <cute_bettong> so anyone know how to stream music to the internet using Ubuntu? [06:02] <cute_bettong> or some program? [06:02] <dazjorz> Apokryphos: I actually meant, with a SSH program for KDE, not SFTP but really SSH [06:02] <Doomhammer> znh: i don't see that in the control center :/ [06:02] <apokryphos> watanabe88: you've done something wrong, clearly. [06:02] <znh> Doomhammer: typ alsamixer or kmix in a terminal [06:02] <kr> anyone?????? how to get email notifier xlassie to work whith my mozilla mail????? [06:03] <znh> hmm.. what device is my usb stick? [06:03] <apokryphos> dazjorz: what exactly would that mean :| why can't you use the console? [06:03] <Chaotic_Shield> Ping from kornbluth.freenode.net: 175ms [06:03] <twistedpair> hi [06:03] <dazjorz> apokryphos: Cuz I like nice layouts ;) [06:03] <watanabe88> apo, someone said run in console [06:03] <apokryphos> dazjorz: oh -- Window -> Show Terminal Emulator [06:03] <cute_bettong> so no one knows huh? [06:03] <watanabe88> okay, if i did something wrong, can you point out the correct way of install? [06:04] <Doomhammer> znh: oh, wow, sweet [06:04] <watanabe88> please [06:04] <apokryphos> dazjorz: ...I guess. Still not sure what an ssh application client entails :| [06:04] <Doomhammer> znh: i didn't even know alsamixer exsted :P [06:04] <dazjorz> apokryphos: Thanks a lot, that was exactly where I was looking for!! [06:04] <apokryphos> cool :) [06:04] <znh> Doomhammer: It's quite nice indeed [06:05] <HiddenWolf> LinuxJones: still about? [06:05] <apokryphos> watanabe88: just follow *exactly* what they say, and LMK if there is an error on any part [06:05] <kr> hallooooooooo ! i am so close but not quite there yet, i have to get the notifier to work in my email client [06:06] <apokryphos> watanabe88: if it *ever* says "error" [06:07] <[NL] Zaggy> How do I mount usb devices in Ubuntu? [06:07] <watanabe88> The file is already fully retrieved; nothing to do. [06:07] <dazjorz> Is it OK if I install RPM files with Ubuntu ? [06:08] <watanabe88> Archive: LimeWireOther.zip [06:08] <apokryphos> dazjorz: for small ones, generally yes. Convert them to .deb with alien then dpkg -i [06:08] <HiddenWolf> dazjorz: not recommended at all, do at own risk, and only if there is no other way [06:08] <deFrysk> dazjorz, only if you try to break the system its fine [06:09] <apokryphos> watanabe88: keep going [06:09] <watanabe88> sudo gedit /usr/bin/runLime.sh [06:10] <watanabe88> saved the editted file [06:10] <firestorm> What is a simple way to see whether Package X is installed or uninstalled? [06:10] <dazjorz> lol, I got 3 advices [06:10] <watanabe88> oh prior to that i also used the sudo chown ...command [06:10] <dazjorz> 1 = Yes [06:10] <dazjorz> 2 = Sometimes [06:10] <dazjorz> 2 = Not really [06:10] <Chaotic_Shield> firestorm, dpkg -l <package name> [06:10] <seanpatrick> This may sound stupid but i followed the instrustions on ubuntuguide.org for the libdvdcss2 libary but it cant find it in the repos and im stuck please help? [06:10] <watanabe88> sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/runLime.sh [06:10] <firestorm> Chaotic_Shield: thanks :) [06:11] <HiddenWolf> dazjorz: if you can avoid it, don't [06:11] <cute_bettong> is there a way to braodcast music to the internet using Ubuntu? [06:11] <HiddenWolf> dazjorz: and don't be suprized if hell breaks loose [06:11] <watanabe88> sudo gedit /usr/share/applications/LimeWire.desktop [06:11] <Chaotic_Shield> yes cute_bettong [06:11] <cute_bettong> something gui based [06:11] <watanabe88> saved the editted file [06:11] <cute_bettong> how? [06:11] <Chaotic_Shield> nothing gui based. [06:11] <Chaotic_Shield> sorry. [06:11] <Chaotic_Shield> well [06:11] <Chaotic_Shield> actually [06:11] <Chaotic_Shield> maybe icecast [06:11] <Chaotic_Shield> check it out [06:11] <Chaotic_Shield> it's in the repos. [06:11] <cute_bettong> well if it's easy [06:11] <cute_bettong> i can do it text based [06:12] <watanabe88> killall gnome-panel [06:12] <watanabe88> okay [06:12] <seanpatrick> This may sound stupid but i followed the instrustions on ubuntuguide.org for the libdvdcss2 libary but it cant find it in the repos and im stuck please help? [06:12] <HiddenWolf> I'm booted on a livecd now. I need to fix my / which started fscking with I/O buffer errors. What can I do? [06:12] <watanabe88> no error messages [06:12] <dazjorz> Can't I make it so that if I use apt-get, that it automatically changes that into sudo apt-get ? [06:12] <watanabe88> as i indicated, java is already installed [06:12] <Chaotic_Shield> dazjorz, not afaik. [06:12] <reka> seanpatrick: need to enable the repo that has it [06:12] <dazjorz> !afaik [06:12] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, dazjorz [06:12] <dazjorz> ? ? [06:12] <seanpatrick> what repo has it? [06:13] <cute_bettong> and i have icecast i just don't know how to use it [06:13] <seanpatrick> i enabled all of them that i kno of the un commenting [06:13] <cute_bettong> it quits something about a config file [06:13] <watanabe88> if i i go in firefox i see the java script console under tools [06:13] <deFrysk> afaIk is as far as I know [06:13] <dazjorz> Chaotic_Shield: Afaik? I mean only for the user dazjorz (thats me). [06:13] <reka> seanpatrick: going from this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia hoary-extras [06:13] <reka> !sources [06:13] <ubotu> somebody said sources was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be fount at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [06:13] <Chaotic_Shield> dazjorz, afaik == as far as I know. [06:15] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, what kind of partitions do you have ? [06:15] <black13> i have build the debian packages for xorg now i want to install them [06:15] <shinshi> I just installed Ubuntu (Hoary Hedgehog) on a Ferrari 4000 laptop, it installed fine but when I get to what is apparently the login prompt, the screen goes blank. [06:15] <znh> shinshi: what's the maximum supported resolution? [06:15] <black13> i am use to using apt-get install deb ... but how do i install the debs that have been built? [06:16] <deFrysk> black13, dpkg -i blah.deb [06:16] <HiddenWolf> LinuxJones: it's one ext3 partition [06:17] <black13> deFryk i got that [06:17] <cute_bettong> >.< icecast is kinda difficult and it's not only text based [06:17] <black13> deFryk i guess my question is one of dependencies [06:17] <shinshi> znh: While I was configuring the resolutions for x during the setup, the max resolution I selected was 1024x768 [06:17] <shinshi> znh: it's a widescreen and I don't remember the max resolution of the display [06:17] <znh> shinshi: hmm, I heard you problem more (nelson had it too, he fixed it) [06:17] <digitalslave_> anyone know why my net connection does not reconnect on boot [06:18] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, ok fsck -t ext3 /dev/hdax with hdx being your partition number like hda1. [06:18] <Fanskapet> digitalslave_ what type of "net connection" ? [06:18] <digitalslave_> have to system/admin/network and deactive then active to get a connection [06:18] <deFrysk> black13, if you run into dep probs it might not be a compatible .deb otehrewist it will tell you what deps it needs [06:18] <digitalslave_> eth0 [06:18] <seanpatrick> root@SeanPatrick:/home/seanpatrick # sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 Reading package lists... Done [06:18] <seanpatrick> Building dependency tree... Done [06:18] <seanpatrick> You might want to run apt-get -f install to correct these: [06:18] <seanpatrick> The following packages have unmet dependencies: [06:18] <seanpatrick> fglrx-control: Depends: xorg-driver-fglrx but it is not going to be installed or [06:18] <seanpatrick> xfree86-driver-fglrx but it is not going to be installed [06:18] <seanpatrick> E: Unmet dependencies. Try apt-get -f install with no packages (or specify a solution). [06:18] <black13> deFryk apt-get install method would state "you need this and that deb yes or no" how do i get the same behavoir [06:18] <apokryphos> seanpatrick: please don't flood the channel [06:18] <Fanskapet> digitalslave_ what says ifconfig? [06:19] <watanabe88> apokryphos, any clues [06:19] <reka> shinshi: try running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' [06:19] <deFrysk> black13, make a repo on your harddrive [06:19] <Fanskapet> and what says the syslog upon booting? [06:19] <seanpatrick> what does all that mean tho? [06:19] <apokryphos> watanabe88: on? [06:19] <deFrysk> and add it to synaptic [06:19] <watanabe88> why limewire still will not launch [06:19] <watanabe88> despite following directions on ubuntuguide.org [06:20] <digitalslave_> does gnome have network hotplugging? [06:20] <reka> seanpatrick: use a normal terminal [06:20] <Fanskapet> of course [06:20] <reka> seanpatrick: not a root one [06:20] <apokryphos> watanabe88: in terminal: /opt/LimeWire/runLime.sh [06:20] <Fanskapet> digitalslave_ but what does ifconfig say?? [06:20] <HiddenWolf> LinuxJones: running [06:20] <black13> repo? [06:20] <digitalslave_> net worked wonky in mandrake until i disabled that [06:20] <black13> deFryk repository ? [06:20] <deFrysk> black13, =repository [06:20] <shinshi> reka: thanks for the tip [06:20] <digitalslave_> says i have eth0 and lo up now [06:20] <shinshi> let me try that [06:21] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, hopefully your hd is not borked and things will get sorted out :) [06:21] <apokryphos> watanabe88: no wait, ignore that. [06:21] <Fanskapet> digitalslave_ yes but directly after bootup [06:21] <seanpatrick> i still get the same thing [06:21] <watanabe88> oh wait, i have some info [06:21] <apokryphos> watanabe88: heh, no, do try that. What happens? [06:21] <black13> deFryk so have a line in sources.list deb /some/path/to/my/stuff [06:21] <HiddenWolf> LinuxJones: getting "ignore error(y)?' messages [06:21] <watanabe88> it did say that Java exec not found in path [06:21] <digitalslave_> dunno :) both were listed in network and supposedly active but all traffic was on lo [06:21] <watanabe88> okay [06:22] <watanabe88> well, i need to reinstall java then [06:22] <alf2> . [06:22] <lui> hello people [06:22] <apokryphos> watanabe88: enable hoary-extras and then apt for it [06:22] <watanabe88> ok, well i've already downloaded it [06:22] <deFrysk> black13, not sure how to do it but it should be somewhere in the docs of debian.org or in the wiki of ubuntu [06:22] <musashi> hullo [06:22] <apokryphos> watanabe88: much easier to apt for it [06:22] <watanabe88> hoary extras [06:23] <apokryphos> watanabe88: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [06:23] <gpd> anybody use a chroot breezy for bleeding edge stuff? [06:23] <unsec1> I finally got my webcam to go! Thats everything. Time to write my Dear Bill letter.... [06:23] <apokryphos> watanabe88: add that to /etc/apt/sources.list [06:23] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, hit no so you can see the errors [06:23] <seanpatrick> the package manger shows up with the libdvdcss2 now but terminal doesnt sya it has it [06:23] <black13> gpd i have been farting around with building chroots [06:23] <digitalslave_> the network monnitor states eth0 is disconnected right now :( [06:24] <unsec1> Dear Bill, Your computer operating system is no longer required. Get you pink slip and get out! [06:24] <alankelon> hello [06:24] <digitalslave_> network settings states as active [06:24] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, if those I/O errors start coming up your drive is shot [06:24] <firestorm> after uninstalling and re-installing postfix I get: /etc/postfix/postfix-script I'd already rm -r /etc/postfix directory after uninstall and a re-install obvipously didn't re-create the files...any hints? [06:24] <gpd> black13: I think Xen might be an alternative - but seems excessive [06:24] <dazjorz> does compiling of OpenSSL take long ? [06:24] <HiddenWolf> LinuxJones: error while scanning inodes(#) Can't read next inode, aborted [06:24] <gpd> black13: or maybe just pin the package I want [06:24] <reka> seanpatrick: can't understand you [06:24] <watanabe88> okay i will use synaptic [06:24] <watanabe88> i did search for java and found all kinds of associations [06:24] <seanpatrick> when i try to have apt-get go find libdvdcss2 it cant find it [06:24] <watanabe88> i will just select all of them to install [06:24] <watanabe88> let me see [06:25] <znh> !gnome [06:25] <ubotu> znh: No idea [06:25] <alankelon> I installed ubuntu right now and I can't change root password [06:25] <seanpatrick> but when i searched the synaptic packages it showed up after i added a repo off that one site [06:25] <digitalslave_> go to root shell and type passwd [06:25] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, the only thing left to try is re-formating the partition [06:25] <alankelon> I'm trying `sudo passwd root' without success [06:25] <HiddenWolf> alakon, ubuntu disables sudo at default [06:25] <HiddenWolf> !sudo [06:25] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [06:25] <alankelon> sudo is asking me some password [06:25] <h08817> acpi or apci i got this error when installing [06:25] <h08817> amd64 version [06:25] <h08817> didn't work [06:25] <windex> alan_, enter _your password_ when sudo asks for the password. sudo operates on user passwords and an access control file. [06:25] <wezzer-> would some one post _original_ /etc/apt/sources.list -file to pastebin [06:25] <alankelon> ops [06:25] <wezzer-> ? [06:25] <HiddenWolf> LinuxJones: how do I figure if the drive is dying, or it's just some fuckup by ext...? [06:26] <alankelon> it's my password [06:26] <digitalslave_> applications>system>root terminal then type passwd [06:26] <alankelon> I'm sorry [06:26] <h08817> my install for some reason doesn't work [06:26] <reka> seanpatrick: er, so what happens now when you try and install? [06:26] <h08817> any reason why? [06:26] <windex> alankelon, np :) [06:26] <alankelon> :D [06:26] <alankelon> bye [06:26] <h08817> i got it from ubuntu site and burned it with nero [06:26] <seanpatrick> it says that fglrx-control: Depends: xorg-driver-fglrx but it is not going to be installed or [06:26] <seanpatrick> xfree86-driver-fglrx but it is not going to be installed [06:26] <windex> i will never understand why so many experienced linux users do not understand sudo. [06:26] <h08817> i guess i have to get a live cd [06:27] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, being a journaled file system I am thinking the drive is shot but you can re-format the partition during a re-install of Ubuntu. [06:27] <HiddenWolf> LinuxJones: and end up in the same situation a week from now? [06:27] <dazjorz> how long does compiling of openssl take ? [06:27] <MrRagga> hi, where can i get komba2 or Linneighbourhood? krusader is missing, too? [06:27] <digitalslave_> or sudo -i [06:28] <HiddenWolf> dazjorz: why would you want to compile it? [06:28] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, once the installer starts to format the partition (if the drive is going tits up) the installer will fail then you'll know for sure. [06:28] <dazjorz> MrRagga: Try this: sudo apt-get install linneighbourhood [06:28] <HiddenWolf> dazjorz: speed of compiling is depending on your cpu, of course [06:28] <dazjorz> HiddenWolf: Because Perls Net::SSLeay needs it to be compiled and not get [06:28] <dazjorz> HiddenWolf: On Pentium 4, 2.4 gHz [06:28] <dazjorz> i don't have to know it exactly [06:29] <dazjorz> but I want to know if its 10 minutes or a few hours [06:29] <HiddenWolf> dazjorz: I've never compiled it, but not long. [06:29] <dazjorz> OK, thanks. [06:30] <HiddenWolf> LinuxJones: thanks [06:31] <lui> people, how do i know how many space is left in the hard drive? [06:31] <reka> seanpatrick: what dependencies does libdvdcss2 have? can you apt-cache show it and see if the fglrx packages are in there? [06:31] <reka> lui: df -h [06:31] <tonii> How do I mount a SMB share with mount? i've forgotten the syntax :) [06:31] <lui> ok reka [06:32] <apokryphos> lui: for a beautiful way of doing it: filelight [06:32] <seanpatrick> apt-cache libdvdcss2 <--type that? [06:32] <apokryphos> apt-cache search :) [06:32] <apokryphos> search/show/etc [06:32] <seanpatrick> libdvdcss2 installed somewat it installed but there is no sound with the video [06:33] <lui> apokryphos: is that like widgets? [06:34] <seanpatrick> libdvdcss2 Depends: libc6 Conflicts: <libdvdcss0.0.1> Conflicts: <libdvdcss0.0.2> [06:34] <apokryphos> lui: it's an application [06:34] <reka> seanpatrick: using totem? [06:34] <h08817> ok everyone i get this error when installing ubuntu amd64 edition [06:34] <seanpatrick> xine [06:34] <h08817> Unlink after no-IRQ? Different ACPI or APIC settings may help [06:34] <h08817> any ideas? [06:34] <lui> ok [06:35] <lui> thx [06:35] <reka> seanpatrick: try a 'killall esd' [06:35] <apokryphos> lui: it's the repos, if you want to try it out... personally quite like it. It's best for telling you exactly where your space is going [06:35] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, good luck :) [06:35] <h08817> do i have a bad version of ubuntu or what happened? [06:36] <seanpatrick> oi did the killall esd and mplayer opened and my speakers poped [06:36] <reka> seanpatrick: mplayer opened when you did the killall? [06:36] <seanpatrick> yea [06:37] <reka> well, geeze you've been having some weird behaviour [06:37] <lui> apokryphos: it eats much memory? [06:37] <seanpatrick> should i reinstall and try again? [06:38] <h08817> help if possible please [06:38] <delire> seanpatrick: strange goings on there.. [06:38] <tonii> how do i search for applications via apt-get? [06:38] <synd> apt-cache search <app> [06:38] <reka> h08817: search ubuntuforums.org i recall someone asking about acpi/apic [06:39] <apokryphos> lui: for the beginning search, I'd guess [06:39] <tonii> ah, thanks =) [06:39] <synd> tonii: but id use synaptic to do a better search :) [06:39] <sproingie> or use aptitude [06:39] <seanpatrick> is there any sort of restore button\command for ubuntu? - startfroma clean slate [06:39] <tonii> synd: hm, trying to find mplayer and joe :P [06:39] <bretzel> Hello, trying to compile bzflag source but it cannot find "gl.h" header file ... this is supposed to be the openGL dev main header file but cannot find any of the devlib about opengl... [06:39] <sproingie> aptitude doesn't search descriptions tho, which is annoying [06:39] <synd> synaptic > aptitude [06:39] <Subfix> Anyone know anything about 'version magic' errors during booting? (x: version magic '2.6.10-5-386 preempt 386 gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.11-6mdk 686 gcc-3.4') where x = various things such as 'apm' ... [06:39] <tonii> synd: thought apt-get to get apps remote :) [06:39] <anacron> is it good to have all hardware what you are going to use in while you install the system? or is it for an example faster to install if you have only those componets what are required to make system work? [06:39] <sproingie> seanpatrick: other than reinstalling, no [06:40] <lui> apokryphos: o thanks ;) [06:40] <lui> apokryphos: ok thanks ;) [06:40] <seanpatrick> alright i suppose ill reinstall and try again [06:40] <reka> bretzel: install freeglut3-dev [06:40] <bretzel> reka: thanks :-) [06:40] <seanpatrick> thanks for the help [06:40] <reka> bretzel: why are you compiling from source though? [06:40] <h08817> i can't install ubuntu using the amd64 version can I use i386 instead [06:40] <reka> bzflag's in the repo already [06:41] <h08817> or will it not work? [06:41] <anacron> h08817: sure you can [06:41] <h08817> even on an amd computer [06:41] <h08817> or i mean processor [06:41] <tonii> synd: to get joe and mplayer on my ubuntu, do I need to dowload the source and compile them then? [06:41] <reka> bretzel: bzflag's in the repo already [06:41] <bretzel> reka: 1.xx yes, but 2.02 is not -- and btw, freeglut3-dev IS installed.... ??? [06:41] <sproingie> h08817: what doesn't work on the amd64 version? [06:41] <Stormx> tonii: no. [06:41] <Stormx> tonii: Use synaptic. [06:41] <reka> bretzel: oh [06:41] <tonii> no such packages there [06:42] <Stormx> tonii: Tried apt-get? [06:42] <reka> bretzel: locate gl.h [06:42] <tonii> yes [06:42] <bretzel> thus must be current bzflag sources screwed tho... [06:42] <Stormx> tonii: Can you download a debian? [06:42] <Stormx> (.deb) [06:42] <anacron> h08817: if you use 64bit version you can't use example flash, and other "important stuff" [06:42] <h08817> sproingie, when i go to install it (boot to cd) it runs through a lot of stuff and then i get this error Unlunk after no-IRQ? Different ACPI or APIC Settings may help [06:42] <tonii> Stormx: don't know, what are you reffering to? [06:42] <oonoon> when trying 'cfdisk' on a non-root user account, i get a 'fatal error : can't open disk unit', is that a bug ? [06:42] <bretzel> nothing with locate nor slocate ... [06:42] <sproingie> h08817: weird ... what brand of motherboard? [06:43] <h08817> anacron, so i386 version is better [06:43] <bretzel> duh ? [06:43] <Stormx> tonii: If you get a debian package of it, then run "dpkg -i <package name>" [06:43] <tonii> ah. [06:43] <h08817> sproingie, msi [06:43] <reka> oonoon: probably not. you probably need 'root' priviliges [06:43] <Stormx> That will install it straight off, no compiling [06:43] <anacron> h08817: "better" yes, in my point of view it's still better (but least upgrade for 686 version) [06:43] <tonii> Stormx: what about depencies and stuff? :) [06:43] <Stormx> oonoon: try "sudo cfdisk" [06:43] <h08817> where is the 686 version [06:43] <h08817> ? [06:43] <Stormx> tonii: Should be covered, but not automatic. [06:43] <h08817> anacron, is it just on the site under download? [06:43] <oonoon> reka, but why a fatal error , i would expect a 'permission denied' blabla [06:43] <anacron> h08817: you can update it after the installation [06:43] <pirkkko> i've got a question. [06:44] <bjoern_> me too [06:44] <erisco> has anyone got wine to work with adobe photoshop 6.0 before? I can't get it to work.... [06:44] <pirkkko> suprise [06:44] <h08817> o ok [06:44] <bretzel> find / -name gl.h gives: /usr/X11R6/include/GL/gl.h [06:44] <tonii> Stormx: damnit :P [06:44] <anacron> pirkkko: read the topic "just aks" [06:44] <anacron> ask* [06:44] <pirkkko> :D [06:44] <oonoon> Stormx, this works fine, i know, im just curious about this error [06:44] <Stormx> tonii: It will tell you if it lacks a package [06:44] <sproingie> h08817: what's your acpi settings in the bios look like? i'm not sure the ia32 version will do much better, though i suppose you could try it [06:44] <bjoern_> want to run X :1& but then: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. - any idea, wasnt a problem in other linux systems i had [06:44] <tonii> Stormx: yeah, i guessed that :) [06:44] <Stormx> ^_^ [06:44] <bretzel> thus means bzflag screwed... it cannot configure X11 headers locations... [06:45] <reka> oonoon: dunno, maybe the developers set the error output [06:45] <anacron> bjoern_: try to change permissions somehow, or maybe add the user in to group which can use x [06:45] <Stormx> oonoon: You're not gonna be able to modify partitons without root. [06:45] <Stormx> oonoon: That would be damn stupid if you could. [06:45] <erisco> thanks anywas [06:45] <reka> bretzel: if you installed the freeglut pack. you should have /usr/include/GL/gl.h [06:45] <oonoon> Stormx, yeah, i know, but the error within the program, and not directly from the terminal is weird, i think [06:46] <Stormx> o.O I dunno then [06:46] <Stormx> let me see. [06:46] <coolpix> testen [06:46] <pirkkko> My ubuntu freezes in 10minutes when surfing with firefox/opera/epiphany. What to do? [06:46] <reka> bretzel: actually, not true [06:46] <Stormx> oonoon: I think the opening of the disk is stopped further down the line, but an error message is not given by that. [06:46] <Stormx> oonoon: Therefore, cfdisk doesn't know WHY it can't open the HDD [06:46] <tonii> Stormx: can you reach the site www.mplayerhq.hu ? [06:47] <oonoon> Stormx ok [06:47] <Stormx> tonii: No its down. [06:47] <tonii> blah [06:47] <anacron> pirkkko: maybe you have to limit your surfing? :D is your system update? [06:47] <\\Neo> hi, i'm trying to get my wlan card working with ndiswrapper. but how can i remove these old acx100 drivers? [06:47] <pirkkko> :D [06:47] <synd> i have a person here claiming that YDL can support the Airport Express card [06:47] <anacron> \\Neo: have you used ndiswrapper for them? [06:47] <\\Neo> no [06:47] <synd> he is utterly wrong, right? [06:47] <pirkkko> 10 minutes limit is quite cruel. [06:47] <reka> bretzel: my mistake....wrong package [06:47] <\\Neo> ubuntu installed them by default [06:48] <Stormx> \\neo: You shouldn't have to remove them, just select the new ones. [06:48] <pirkkko> abacron: it should be. [06:48] <bretzel> reka: hahaha [06:48] <\\Neo> and where? :/ i only see the acx100 stuff at iwconfig [06:48] <pirkkko> *anacron [06:48] <Stormx> \\Neo, I'm not sure. [06:49] <anacron> pirkkko: yeah, i really dunno, have you tryed google or wiki... oh right, i might be hard you can only surf for 10min :D [06:49] <\\Neo> well i would be happier if i could remove that acx100 drivers anyway [06:49] <coolpix> re [06:49] <Stormx> rofl! [06:49] <\\Neo> they are accessing the same hardware [06:49] <pirkkko> anacron :p [06:49] <\\Neo> that must be weird [06:49] <\\Neo> and prolly the reason why ndiswrapper doesnt work [06:50] <anacron> pirkkko: are you from finland? [06:50] <pirkkko> yep [06:50] <reka> bretzel: sorry. :) [06:50] <reka> bretzel: you need xlibmesa-gl-dev [06:50] <anacron> isn't that a bit shamefull, linux is made in finland? [06:50] <Harold> Bloody hell [06:50] <anacron> and you can't use it properly [06:50] <reka> damn. http://packages.ubuntu.com/ is really useful. :) [06:50] <_NeLLY_> nes.si [06:50] <pirkkko> anacron, it is D: [06:50] <bretzel> (not related) - BTW, That is funny I had to install libtool pkg eventhough all dev pkg installed [06:50] <anacron> just kidding... [06:50] <Stormx> anacron: linux was STARTED in finland. [06:50] <Harold> Morning, everyone. Do English people really say "Bloody hell"? [06:51] <Stormx> Harold: yes [06:51] <anacron> Stormx: yeah, and only the kernel is "original" [06:51] <bretzel> reka: ok for xlibmesa-gl-dev thanks :-) [06:51] <highvoltage> Harold: yes, they do. they are rude people. [06:51] <Harold> Stormx: Thanks, Stormx [06:51] <Stormx> xD [06:51] <Harold> highvoltage: Rude? [06:51] <Stormx> I'm british. [06:51] <Harold> anacron: Did you get that wifi working with madwifi? [06:51] <anacron> no i didn't [06:51] <reka> Stormx: 3 runs! [06:51] <highvoltage> Harold: sometimes. [06:51] <Harold> anacron: What did you do? [06:51] <Stormx> reka: waaa? [06:51] <anacron> Harold: i got mad like the drivers [06:52] <anacron> Harold: im installing ubuntu again right now [06:52] <_NeLLY_> arnes.si [06:52] <bretzel> reka: bad news for bzflag 2.02 sources: their configure script is totally screwed: I do have xlibmesa-gl-dev [06:52] <Harold> anacron: I know the feeling. Just keep at it. I got so frustrated 'cuz it took so long to get it working on my old Mac. [06:52] <reka> Stormx: actually, 2 runs! [06:52] <Harold> anacron: Okay [06:52] <anacron> Harold: i had to change my system hardware a bit [06:52] <reka> bretzel: maybe change the configure presets then? [06:52] <Harold> anacron: What did you have to change? [06:53] <anacron> Harold: hard-disk's :D [06:53] <synd> does any distro of linux support Airport Extreme? [06:53] <synd> any at all? [06:53] <synd> YDL? [06:53] <synd> http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/pipermail/yellowdog-general/2004-June/014534.html [06:53] <anacron> synd: what is it? [06:53] <Harold> anacron: I see [06:53] <reka> Stormx: not a cricket fan then? [06:53] <anacron> Harold: i also added an soundcard and tv-card [06:54] <Harold> anacron: Gonna watch tv on your pc, huh? :) [06:54] <lenoxmo> nick fiona [06:54] <Harold> anacron: Does that work alright? (The tv?) [06:54] <synd> anybody? [06:54] <synd> anacron: ? [06:54] <anacron> Harold: yes and no, this machine is for my lil sister :D [06:54] <mjr> synd, most likely not [06:54] <Harold> anacron: Ah. [06:55] <anacron> Harold: i don't watch tv [06:55] <Harold> anacron: I'm thinking of installing ubuntu on my old Powermac now... [06:55] <synd> mjr: i got a YDL supporter here that pointed me to here> http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/pipermail/yellowdog-general/2004-June/014534.html [06:55] <anacron> Harold: but it worked with mandrake like a year ago, so i guess why wouldn't it work in ubuntu [06:55] <synd> and that baffles me [06:55] <Harold> anacron: Why wouldn't it? [06:56] <Harold> anacron: I'm sure it'll work... [06:56] <anacron> Harold: that was my question [06:56] <digitalslave_> yeah should [06:56] <anacron> Harold: :D but maybe i said something wrong, im too tired [06:56] <digitalslave_> old mandrake user myself [06:56] <bretzel> reka: anyway bzflag is not a vital thing .... I just hate failure :-) [06:56] <Harold> anacron: I mean, I'm not *absolutely* sure, but there seems to be alot of support for Ubuntu [06:56] <anacron> yeah... [06:56] <digitalslave_> ubuntu is miles ahead of drake - thats why i switched [06:57] <anacron> should we stop chitchatting and leave space for those who need help :D [06:57] <Harold> anacron: Anyway, I was just checking in to #ubuntu... [06:57] <Harold> anacron: Yeah, probably [06:57] <Harold> anacron: Nice chatting with you! [06:57] <anacron> you too [06:59] <reka> bretzel: you should have /usr/include/GL/gl.h if you had that last package though [06:59] <twistedpair> synd: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=862 [06:59] <Syco54645> anyone here use urlfilter with ipcop or smoothwall? [06:59] <inconnu> hello [06:59] <Dr_Willis> Moo [07:00] <dazzed> does anyone know of a sammple .Xdefaults i can steal to make one since i dont have one? [07:00] <inconnu> i have a problem with my tv-tuner card :( i have a very good screen but not sound :(, when i whrite dmesg tuner in my consol i have: saa7134[0] /audio: audio carrier scan failed, using 5.500 MHz [default] [07:00] <inconnu> help me pleaseeee :(:'( [07:01] <inconnu> (i'm belgian, sorry for my english ;)) [07:02] <Syco54645> or hell does anyone know of a good blacklist? [07:03] <twistedpair> inconnu: have you got sound in other apps? [07:03] <delire> Syco54645: Hell has it's own blacklists [07:04] <inconnu> with a cd or an mp3? [07:04] <twistedpair> inconnu: yes anything [07:04] <kingscsi> hi [07:04] <inconnu> yes, i have [07:04] <Syco54645> delire, i just read what i said to see if your comment would make sence.... and it didnt. that is sad i wanted to laugh ;) [07:04] <beetle> got error starting up my computer. grub loading fails with error no 17. have windows xp on c: drive, and ubuntu on other partition. this error occured after a disk partitioning [07:05] <kingscsi> can anyone help me with port redirecting? [07:05] <inconnu> just for wtach tv i don't have sound [07:06] <kingscsi> i want to keep my apache on 80 but somehow get the ubuntu box to redirect traffic from a port like 8080 to 80 [07:06] <mjr> beetle, if you moved partitions around or added a partition before the linux partition, grub probably needs to be reinstalled [07:06] <kingscsi> anyone here from South Africa? [07:06] <delire> Syco54645: ;) [07:06] <Syco54645> delire, know of a good black list? [07:06] <delire> Syco54645: for IP's? [07:06] <beetle> added a partition befor linux partition. how to reinstall or remove grub? [07:07] <Syco54645> delire, yeah, i just want to block ads on my network here... it is 5 people on a 4 megabit connection, so ads get annoying when they need to be loaded [07:07] <mjr> beetle, with grub-install [07:07] <delire> Syco54645: and you can't avoid downloading them with firefox addblock? [07:08] <Subfix> Can anyone running 5.04 do me a favor and tell me the name of the directory inside of /lib/modules ? (2.6.10-5-386 or 2.6.11-6mdk) (fresh install..?) [07:08] <delire> Syco54645: i think firefox, if you use that has extensions for blacklisting. [07:08] <kingscsi> anyone any ideas for me port redirect mission? [07:08] <inconnu> delire, tu es belge? [07:08] <Dr_Willis> theres a few ad-killig proxies out there. and firefox has a nice adblock extension. [07:09] <Mez> had anyone had any experience with cedega on breezy? [07:09] <reka> adblock.mozdev.org [07:09] <delire> inconnu: non [07:09] <Syco54645> delire, not everyone on the network uses firefox... the one is an ididot english majour so [07:09] <Dr_Willis> thers always some of the huge ad-killing hosts files also out. [07:10] <inconnu> ok ;) [07:10] <reka> Syco54645: what do they use then? [07:11] <anacron> dillo is very light option [07:11] <anacron> also it sounds sexy like dildo [07:11] <irbdavid> where can i find out if ubuntu supports my digital camera? [07:11] <Dr_Willis> :) [07:11] <kingscsi> lol [07:11] <terminalspin> Hi all! - Has anyone had any problems with network printing and the gnome printers window not appearing? [07:11] <anacron> irbdavid: the ubuntu site, wiki or perhaps forums [07:11] <Kirsch> irbdavid: what camera do u have? [07:12] <irbdavid> Sony DSC T1 [07:12] <Dr_Willis> irbdavid, well most mondern camera work as usb-hard drives - could test the ubuntu live cd see if it sees the cam. [07:12] <Kirsch> oh ok, yea check the wiki, i was just curious, ihave a cannon that works fine [07:12] <Kirsch> Is Breezy kinda stable again? [07:12] <Kirsch> i heard that she was acting up last week... [07:12] <irbdavid> its pretty modern. it didnt work with suse last time i tried ~ version 9.0/.1 i think [07:13] <Kirsch> i have no idea, check to see if there are drivers for it yet [07:13] <Kirsch> check the wiki and google [07:13] <booman> how do I add programs to be run at boot? [07:13] <Kirsch> booman: in gnome? [07:13] <Syco54645> reka, internet explorer, which is why i want to block the ads on the router [07:13] <Syco54645> reka, its also just nicer to do it that way [07:13] <linukso> irbdavid: it works! [07:13] <hi-fi_dk> hi, where does ubuntu install kernel source ? [07:13] <kingscsi> my router suck ballz, have to reboot anytime i do port mapping [07:13] <linukso> irbdavid: check out gphoto.org [07:14] <irbdavid> cool, thanks linukso [07:14] <booman> Kirsch: at boot like in slack you can put the stuff in rc scripts [07:14] <irbdavid> gphoto part of the default install with ubuntu? [07:14] <Kirsch> yea, you can still do that. [07:14] <booman> ? [07:15] <linukso> irbdavid: just put it in ptp mode, it is somewhere in your cameras setup menu. And yes, ubuntu has got gphoto. [07:15] <Kirsch> You want to start a service at startup? [07:15] <irbdavid> beans, i'll d/l ubuntu then [07:15] <booman> Kirsch: yeah all I wanna run is 'athcool on' [07:15] <hi-fi_dk> ubuntu and kernel source anyone ? [07:15] <Stormx> xD Reka, i get ya now. [07:15] <crispynix-v6> Kirsch: Xorg is still broken [07:16] <irbdavid> whats ptp mode mean, you reckon? [07:16] <akaihola> OpenOffice segfaults in my Hoary. The problem is outside OOo, since 3 different versions behave identically. How do I verify that all my installed packages are OK (like rpm -V on redhat)? [07:16] <Kirsch> What specifically? I haev to rebuild my driver anyway. (my Video) [07:16] <Stormx> Guys, i've got the biggest moral decision to take in my entire life............................... [07:16] <Stormx> Go back onto winblows and get soldat 1.3, or stay on sexy ubuntu? [07:16] <crispynix-v6> Kirsch: hang on, I'll update then check again [07:16] <Kyral> The Red or Blue Pill? [07:16] <Stormx> That too. [07:16] <Kyral> Soldat 1.3? Wazzat? [07:16] <Kirsch> Red [07:17] <booman> Can someone tell me how to add 'athcool on' to run at boot [07:17] <beetle> how to steb by step reinstall the grub loader? [07:17] <Kyral> Stormx, surely you can emulate it in WINE [07:18] <Kyral> !grub [07:18] <ubotu> I guess grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto [07:18] <crispynix-v6> Kirsch: pretty much every package that should place binaries in /usr/X11R6/bin is not, libglu1-xorg is missing [07:18] <anacron> is there some good way to minimize graphical things in gentoo, so it would be faster with this old machine? [07:18] <Kyral> beetle, thats your best bet I would think [07:18] <anacron> not gentoo, in gnome [07:18] <crispynix-v6> Kirsch: meanwhile debian's xorg packages are fine [07:18] <Stormx> Kyral: No. The anti-cheat system fucks it up [07:18] <Kyral> nope [07:18] <anacron> i always mix those [07:18] <Stormx> plus I dunno how to configure wine :( [07:18] <Kyral> Stormx, Cedega? [07:18] <Stormx> Huh? [07:18] <Seveas> crispynix-v6, are you using breezy? [07:18] <inconnu> i go to eat [07:18] <inconnu> bye [07:18] <Stormx> !Cedega [07:18] <crispynix-v6> Seveas: yep [07:18] <ubotu> hmm... cedega is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega [07:18] <Kirsch> I'll wait. [07:19] <Seveas> crispynix-v6, in breezy, they are getting rid of /usr/X11R6/ [07:19] <Kirsch> LOL configuring wine sucks ass haha [07:19] <Kyral> I meant Cedega "Pro" (The Pay Version) [07:19] <linukso> anacron: select a simple theme, turn off nautilus and don't use gdesklets [07:19] <Seveas> xorg 7 will be shipped :) [07:19] <Kirsch> Get anotehr computer for Winblows. [07:19] <crispynix-v6> Seveas: oh [07:19] <akaihola> ach, debsums is good for package verification [07:19] <Stormx> I dunno how to configure wine [07:19] <Seveas> and therefor they are modularizing the package [07:19] <Kirsch> YAY! [07:19] <anacron> linukso: thanks for tip [07:19] <crispynix-v6> Seveas: until that's done though, important things like imake, xmkmf, mkfontdir etc. have gone MIA [07:19] <Seveas> and therefor X is broken in Breezu :) [07:19] <hi-fi_dk> ubuntu and locattion of kernel source anyone ? [07:19] <Seveas> Breezy* [07:19] <Seveas> true, true [07:19] <Kirsch> Seveas: how long do you think? i want to see Breezy... [07:20] <crispynix-v6> Seveas: (I just unpackaged debian's packages for binaries) [07:20] <Seveas> that's why you should not use it :) [07:20] <booman> Can someone tell me how to add 'athcool on' to run at boot [07:20] <Seveas> Kirsch, it should be finished by october :) [07:20] <Seveas> (hopefully end of august already though) [07:20] <Kirsch> I meant, how long do you think It'l be before I can test it. [07:20] <Kirsch> before xorg will be fixed? [07:20] <linukso> booman: you can add it to the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh [07:21] <Snippy> I just love ubuntu [07:21] <highvoltage> Snippy: me too. [07:21] <anacron> linukso: can you help me disable nautilus? [07:21] <Snippy> and I hope they fixe the sound issues in Breezy ;) [07:21] <Snippy> -e [07:21] <highvoltage> Snippy: rm /usr/bin/esd did it for me :) [07:22] <Kirsch> alsaconfig did it for me ;-) [07:22] <linukso> anacron: of cause! start gconf-editor. You can find it in the Applications->system menu [07:22] <Snippy> oh well [07:22] <linukso> anacron: or just start it from a term [07:22] <Snippy> I just have some crap choppy sound sometimes [07:22] <Snippy> dont ask me why [07:22] <Kirsch> Snippy: what sound card you have? [07:22] <beetle> my irc client disconnected. could i get the instructions for grub reinstallation one more time [07:23] <Snippy> nforce2 onboard chip: C-Media [07:23] <anacron> linukso: thanks [07:23] <Snippy> mp3's just play fine with good quality in xmms [07:23] <Snippy> but the gnome sounds are choppy [07:23] <Snippy> like very bad quality [07:23] <grouse> i am trying to use the Hoary Hedgehog live CD on a ThinkPad G40 with a Broadcom 57xx ethernet adapter. it doesn't seem to work OOTB. anyone have suggestions? [07:23] <Kirsch> I think I had a borad that came with that out of the box, but I never tested it but I thought it picked it up, I'm still using my SBLive [07:24] <grouse> by "it," i mean the ethernet doesn't work [07:24] <Kirsch> oh [07:24] <linukso> anacron: when you got it running open up apps->nautilus->preferences, and disable show_desktop [07:24] <Kirsch> Have you tried a different sound server? [07:24] <Snippy> Kirsch, the sound is so good.. on windows it worked fine with a very good quality [07:24] <delire> grouse: i use the tg3 driver for my Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5788 Gigabit Ethernet [07:24] <Snippy> Yes [07:24] <mind_> Snippy, is xmms using esd or alsa output? [07:24] <delire> grouse: modprobe tg3 does it here. [07:24] <grouse> delire: i thought it was supposed to be included in the 2.6.10 kernel on the CD? [07:24] <grouse> ah [07:25] <grouse> i have to do that manually [07:25] <klaym> hey people running clearlooks with gperfection or graphite suite theme! How do I get the window borders to look like these: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/23563-1.jpg [07:25] <Snippy> alsa [07:25] <linukso> xmms... Don't understand why people are still using that... [07:25] <Snippy> mind [07:25] <Snippy> alsa [07:25] <anacron> linukso: what 'bout that gdesklets? [07:25] <Kirsch> delire: you have to modprobe it manually??? I have the same driver [07:25] <Snippy> xmms just works fine for me linukso, and it gives me a better sound quality than gnome sounds atm [07:25] <equex> whats a good player except xmms, then ? i need a winamp clone :) [07:25] <Kirsch> but the install CD picked up my wlan and lan, the live CD didn't boot with either. [07:26] <Kirsch> equex: bmp [07:26] <equex> preferably a winamp 2.91 clone [07:26] <delire> grouse: you may have to load the driver yep. to make this permanent, add 'tg3' to your /etc/modules [07:26] <Kirsch> beep-media-player [07:26] <Kirsch> it's kinda unstable, but it depends how you use winamp, try that. [07:26] <equex> alrgiht thanks [07:26] <grouse> ok, many thanks delire [07:27] <equex> well the only reason id wanna switch from xmms would be its unstability [07:27] <equex> it hangs a lot [07:27] <Kirsch> oh... [07:27] <Snippy> thats right [07:27] <Kirsch> yea, this won't solve that problem [07:27] <Kirsch> heh [07:28] <Kirsch> its just a GTK2 port of XMMS [07:28] <equex> oh [07:28] <dazjorz> Hey [07:28] <delire> Kirsch: you may have to load the driver yep. to make this permanent, add 'tg3' to your /etc/modules [07:28] <dazjorz> This program tells me that port 10000 is already in use [07:28] <dazjorz> how do I see what program uses it ? [07:28] <equex> brb install pizza in oven [07:28] <dazjorz> its Miniserv by Webmin, thats ok, but where do I find the miniserv executable [07:28] <anacron> how do you install pizza? [07:28] <anacron> :D [07:28] <Kirsch> the same way you bake a cookie ;-) [07:28] <equex> mount /var/pizza /dev/oven [07:29] <anacron> wohoo [07:29] <no_gatez_fan> pizza you cannot automount [07:29] <grouse> :( [07:29] <delire> equex: no need http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/pizza_party [07:29] <dazjorz> hey erm [07:29] <Kirsch> bad fs: pizza [07:29] <anacron> :D [07:29] <dazjorz> why don't you add that to /etc/fstab [07:29] <anacron> ubuntu goes pizza [07:29] <dazjorz> you'll get a pizza every boot [07:29] <dazjorz> ^^ [07:29] <anacron> dazjorz: that's the problem [07:29] <grouse> lp0: pizza on fire [07:29] <anacron> i don't boot [07:29] <anacron> :D [07:29] <no_gatez_fan> yikez [07:30] <dazjorz> Hey wait [07:30] <Kirsch> hi [07:30] <dazjorz> why then... don't you add it to CRON ? [07:30] <anacron> that's a good idea [07:30] <dazjorz> like [07:30] <dazjorz> every 30 minutes, mount /var/pizza to /dev/oven [07:30] <dazjorz> and then [07:30] <no_gatez_fan> make sure to add a pizza folder to media [07:30] <Kirsch> you'll have to unmount the pizza tho won't you? [07:30] <Vital303> hi! I am trying to make my sound card work. I think I have found exactly what I need on the forum. But I cant understand it. What does "went to 'init 1'" mean? [07:31] <beetle> how to reinstall the grub loader? need step by step instructions. [07:31] <dazjorz> if( /var/pizza/state == "ready" ) { umount /var/pizza } [07:31] <Vital303> "Okay, figured it out, went to 'init 1' and ran the commends from there, my SOUndblaster Live! 24" finally works!!!" [07:31] <Vital303> I got it here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/printthread.php?t=19307 [07:31] <dazjorz> Vital303: It means that the Linux system got to init 1 [07:31] <dazjorz> you can do that yourself by typing init 1 [07:31] <dazjorz> as a command [07:31] <Vital303> OK [07:31] <Vital303> thank you [07:31] <dazjorz> it'll restart your pc [07:31] <dazjorz> :) [07:32] <dazjorz> i thought... [07:32] <dazjorz> ? [07:32] <dazjorz> or single user mode [07:32] <dazjorz> i can't remember [07:32] <Seveas> it will not restart [07:32] <equex> argh [07:32] <Seveas> 6 is restart [07:32] <Seveas> 0 is shutdown [07:32] <equex> do you see that i did now ? [07:32] <dazjorz> ehh xP sorry yea thats what I thought after a few seconds [07:32] <Vital303> should I do it as 'root'? [07:32] <dazjorz> Wait [07:32] <dazjorz> dont do that [07:32] <delire> it's init -s [07:32] <dazjorz> eh [07:32] <dazjorz> you want to go to single user mode ? [07:32] <equex> delire: hehe, too bad pizza isnt included [07:32] <dazjorz> init 1 [07:33] <delire> equex: ;) [07:33] <dazjorz> How do I see where the executable that listens to port 10000 is ? [07:33] <Seveas> sudo netstat -tlnp | grep 10000 [07:33] <dazjorz> or, even better, how do I stop it from listening to port 10000 [07:34] <delire> i prefer netstat -tupa myself [07:34] <dazjorz> it tells me: [07:34] <delire> but yep, that'll do it [07:34] <dazjorz> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:10000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 20335/perl [07:34] <rss> hi, I have problem installing Ubuntu on a HP Pavilion PC [07:34] <Seveas> if it listens you need only -l not -a [07:34] <Seveas> dazjorz, then it's a perl program :) [07:34] <delire> Seveas: hah you're right. [07:34] <dazjorz> Logical, I could have thought that myself [07:34] <bur[n] er> rss: why? [07:34] <bur[n] er> :) [07:34] <rss> it goes till "bsdutils" and stops [07:35] <dazjorz> how do I find the location of that file or how do I terminate it [07:35] <rss> bur[n] er, I have no idea [07:35] <bur[n] er> anyone know if the new rhythmbox in breezy supports tag editing?? [07:35] <rss> any one here got Ubuntu installed on a HP Pavilion PC? [07:35] <dazjorz> Seveas: How do I find the location of the perl script and/or how do I terminate it [07:35] <equex> rss yes [07:36] <rss> Has that got LightScribe DVD Writer? [07:36] <iconist> I have a powerpc 7200/100... will ubuntu install on this? Or is it only the g# and above? [07:36] <Seveas> dazjorz, lsof | grep 10000 [07:36] <equex> i have kubuntu with a k7 kernel [07:36] <Seveas> that'll give you a pid [07:36] <equex> rss i am not sure what brand it is, i think it is not LightScribe [07:36] <dazjorz> miniserv. 20335 root 6u IPv4 38266 TCP *:10000 (LISTEN) [07:36] <dazjorz> miniserv. 20335 root 7u IPv4 38267 UDP *:10000 [07:37] <equex> its panasonic or something [07:37] <dazjorz> Seveas: thats what it gives [07:37] <Seveas> so it's miniserv.pl :) [07:37] <Seveas> kill 20335 dhould kill it [07:37] <dazjorz> Seveas: Yes I know it is that filename xP [07:37] <dazjorz> Seveas: Thats where I was looking for, thanks [07:37] <equex> rss and i am having problems with the DVD *rom* [07:37] <equex> it doesnt read my burned DVDs from windows [07:38] <iconist> Will ubuntu install on a PowerPC 7200? [07:38] <dazjorz> Seveas: Thanks, it works now !! [07:38] <dazjorz> :) [07:38] <dazjorz> =) [07:38] <equex> rss and i have frequent lock ups [07:40] <rss> hmm [07:42] <salutis> hello all [07:45] <beetle> after i made a new partition before the linux partition and restarted my computer i got grub loader error 17. need step by step instructions on how to fix [07:45] <Chaotic_Shield> !grub [07:45] <ubotu> well, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto [07:45] <Snippy> !winex [07:45] <ubotu> Snippy: Wish i knew [07:45] <Snippy> !cedega [07:45] <ubotu> from memory, cedega is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega [07:46] <Kirsch> !ubotu [07:46] <ubotu> I heard ubotu is uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". [07:46] <Kirsch> !add [07:46] <ubotu> I heard add is To add an item to me, type "ubotu <keyword> is <description description description>", without the carets [07:47] <Seveas> don't play with the bot in here, you can /msg hom too [07:47] <Seveas> hin* [07:47] <Seveas> him* [07:47] <Kirsch> oh ok [07:48] <Seveas> beetle, you will need to edit menu.lst (and probably you need to reinstall grub) [07:51] <bur[n] er> why is the bot a him? [07:51] <bur[n] er> why can't it be a hot chica ;) [07:51] <^thehatsrule^> or it? [07:51] <delire> i vote 'it' [07:51] <delire> there aren't enough it's in the world [07:51] <Kirsch> the bot just made fun of me [07:52] <bur[n] er> anyone using breezy? [07:52] <terrex> me [07:53] <bur[n] er> is X fixed? [07:53] <Kirsch> no [07:53] <Kirsch> no i wouldn't [07:53] <delire> i wouldn't either. [07:53] <bur[n] er> well... x doesn't work for me currently ;) [07:53] <Kirsch> i just asked, seveas said... [07:53] <bur[n] er> but i'll wait [07:53] <OculusAquilae> for me it works [07:54] <delire> unless of course masochism is a popular recreational activity in your part of the world. [07:54] <bur[n] er> ooh [07:54] <bur[n] er> one good report is better than before ;) [07:54] <bur[n] er> sado masochism even [07:54] <delire> ok, go for that dist-upgrade [07:54] <OculusAquilae> but without internationalisation [07:54] <Kirsch> in breezy, they are getting rid of /usr/X11R6/ [07:54] <bur[n] er> ;) [07:54] <Kirsch> thye are doing some other package now. [07:55] <dazjorz> WTF [07:55] <dazjorz> WHAT THE FUCK [07:55] <dazjorz> !:!!::! [07:55] <ubotu> dazjorz: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about [07:55] <dazjorz> Errrh [07:55] <Kirsch> lol [07:55] <dazjorz> I was SSH'ing this whole day [07:55] <dazjorz> andeh [07:55] <dazjorz> I just found out errm [07:55] <dazjorz> that I wasn't sshing, i was on my own machine -.-' [07:55] <dazjorz> sooo [07:55] <dazjorz> now there is a lot of stuff on my own PC that I thought was on the OTHER pc -.-' [07:56] <dazjorz> please kill me, someone, i gotta start all over [07:56] <bur[n] er> lol [07:56] <piksi> how easy it is to update the ubuntu iso with a new kernel and install from it? [07:56] <Kirsch> LOL [07:56] <terrex> X is half-fixed [07:57] <h08817> anacron, how would i update my version of ubuntu? [07:58] <dazjorz> Abandonando ? [07:59] <dazjorz> dammit [07:59] <dazjorz> because of that all [07:59] <dazjorz> I installed a remote control program on my own pc -.-' [07:59] <dazjorz> oooooooooh [07:59] <dazjorz> because I thought I was SSH'ing but i was actually just in a local terminal [07:59] <bur[n] er> dazjorz: apt-get remove remotecontrolprogram ? [08:00] <awb4422> I'm having trouble with dvd playback. Only root can play dvd's - is my local user not in the right group? [08:01] <bur[n] er> awb4422: did you add this user upon ubuntu install? or post-install? [08:01] <EasterSunshine> hmm...slightly off topic this is, but the yahoo filters the mail i send with kmail as bulk spam...any workaround? [08:01] <awb4422> during the install [08:02] <bur[n] er> EasterSunshine: i know the quick one... use thunderbird or evolution ;) [08:02] <anacron> h08817: you mean kernel? [08:03] <anacron> h08817: search the right kernels with synaptic, and after they are installed reboot your computer and then select 686 mode after your system has booted up you can remove 386 kernel with synaptic [08:03] <nubbe> Are there any e-book readers for linux,except acrobat/evince? [08:04] <awb4422> bur[n] er - it may not be groups, it could be something in fstab - maybe my cd-rom isnt mounted w/ the correct options to allow dvd playback for all users? [08:04] <anacron> how to edit fluxbox config? [08:04] <anacron> and how to set up backround for it [08:05] <TheRookie> help [08:05] <linukso> anacron: just edit ~/.fluxbox/menu init or keys. Read man fluxbox [08:05] <TheRookie> exit [08:05] <EasterSunshine> bur[n] er: thx that is actually very good advice and the perfect solution! [08:05] <narkceh> I did install ubuntu and when the first stage was complete and i booted comp. Now it says grub hard disk error? [08:05] <narkceh> what can i do [08:06] <dazjorz> bur[n] er: I didn't install it though apt-get, because that wasn't possible. [08:06] <Edddie> I'm having a problem with changing date/time, it crashes after I enter my password [08:07] <Vital303> I am listening to mp3 now [08:07] <narkceh> any idea? [08:07] <Vital303> thank you guys [08:07] <kemik> awb4422: where you have your dvds, how do you mount the filesystem ? could it be owned by root ? [08:08] <kemik> narkceh: nope, try google the exact errormsg [08:08] <awb4422> /dev/hda is /media/cdrom0 [08:08] <dazjorz> wtf [08:08] <awb4422> this is the line from fstab [08:08] <awb4422> /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 [08:08] <dazjorz> is there md4 too ? [08:08] <dazjorz> how long is that ago... [08:08] <awb4422> its a dvd-rw/cd-rw combo [08:08] <dazjorz> I never heard of md4 next to md5 [08:09] <AdmiralSenn> hey guys [08:09] <AdmiralSenn> running gnome here.. my windows are doing weird things [08:09] <Stormx> Hey sexies [08:10] <Stormx> haha [08:10] <Stormx> is that a gaming site for trannies? [08:10] <glick> hey which flash do i need to get flash working in firefox [08:10] <glick> flashplayer-mozilla [08:10] <AdmiralSenn> example: Xchat exactly fills the space between the applications/gnome bar and the windows panel at the bottom [08:10] <AdmiralSenn> firefox used to but doesn't now [08:10] <delire> gpd: apparently you can compile the winex sources for free. [08:10] <glick> or flashplugin-nonfree [08:10] <AdmiralSenn> blender used to but doesn't [08:10] <AdmiralSenn> etc [08:11] <hi-fi_dk> how do I get the kernel source for the kernel i'm running in ubuntu ? [08:11] <anacron> i misconfigured xorg and now i can't get back to tty7 where fluxbox was open, how do i kill it, so i can start it again?, startx starts only gnome, and if i log out it it goes back to tty1 [08:11] <gpd> delire: do they support as many games? [08:11] <delire> gpd: it's the same codebase from transgaming.com [08:11] <AdmiralSenn> hi-fi_dk: synaptic search for 'kernel' should give it up [08:11] <Dr_Willis> ive never had much luck with winex. :( even with the supported games. [08:11] <Edddie> I'm having a problem with changing date/time, it crashes after I enter my password [08:11] <Dr_Willis> or cedega. :( [08:11] <Stormx> xD [08:11] <AdmiralSenn> really annoying [08:11] <delire> AdmiralSenn: normally you have to start blender in windowed mode to have the correct performance. blender -w [08:11] <AdmiralSenn> delire: I did [08:11] <grouse> delire: modprobe tg3 did the trick [08:12] <grouse> thank you very much [08:12] <AdmiralSenn> the problem is that it is in windowed mode, but it's HGUE [08:12] <AdmiralSenn> *HUGE [08:12] <delire> grouse: good, don't forget to add tg3 to /etc/modules [08:12] <AdmiralSenn> and it used to fit the window space perfectly [08:12] <delire> grouse: great ;) [08:12] <grouse> delire: does that matter if this is just a live CD? [08:12] <gpd> Dr_Willis: ever tried Call of Duty? just bought it (bit late) [08:12] <delire> grouse: ahah, no ;) [08:12] <grouse> i'll have to do it every time, won't i? :) [08:12] <delire> grouse: i thought you'd installed. [08:12] <grouse> sadly no [08:12] <delire> grouse: yep, everytime with a livecd [08:12] <Dr_Willis> gpd, not really. :P Had soo many other annyonces with other games.. i just reboot to windows now. [08:13] <grouse> thanks again, must go for now [08:13] <gpd> Dr_Willis: I'll give it a try as this is one of the few things left in windows that i need [08:13] <delire> i notice that WoW works pretty much perfectly under wine [08:13] <Dr_Willis> gpd, 'need' a game. :P [08:13] <gpd> my Garmin GPS is the other thing... [08:14] <dazjorz> mount /var/pizza /dev/oven -t margarita [08:14] <gpd> Dr_Willis: s/need/desire/ better? :) [08:14] <beefster> guys, does anyone know if there is a package which is the equivalent to vcdgear in windoze that extracts mpg files from .bin files? [08:14] <f_newton> heh [08:15] <delire> beefster: i would poke around freshmeat.net for that sort of thing [08:16] <cute_bettong> what's the app for running a palm pilet in Linux? [08:16] <glick> anyone here play america's army? [08:16] <glick> how is that? [08:16] <delire> cute_bettong: there are a few. people seem to like kpilot [08:16] <cute_bettong> thanx [08:16] <AdmiralSenn> glick: sometimes [08:16] <delire> glick: about as exciting as the name suggests. "america" +"army" [08:16] <delire> glick: get enough of that on tv ;) [08:17] <AdmiralSenn> delire: lies! [08:17] <delire> glick: but sure, it plays perfectly well [08:17] <dazjorz> how do I play games like San Andreas fast in Linux ? [08:17] <dazjorz> do I have to install VMWare for that ? [08:17] <kemik> dazjorz: wine or cedega perhaps [08:17] <muhammad> OMGWTFBBQ [08:17] <Snippy> How can I open TGZ files? [08:17] <Snippy> !tgz [08:17] <ubotu> Snippy: Bugger all, i dunno [08:17] <delire> AdmiralSenn: i'm sure there are ways of finding exact window positions, and setting padding etc. though i'm not clear on your exact problem. [08:18] <AdmiralSenn> delire: some of my windows are starting at the topof the screen [08:18] <delire> dazjorz: these are games made for another OS, you will have to use a compatibility layer like cedega [08:18] <AdmiralSenn> and blender is starting at a huge size despite the -w option being set [08:18] <gpd> Snippy: tar xvfz file.tgz [08:18] <delire> AdmiralSenn: i would see #gnome [08:18] <AdmiralSenn> thanks [08:18] <Snippy> thanks [08:20] <Snippy> gpd: tar: Old option `C' requires an argument. [08:20] <Snippy> Try `tar --help' for more information. [08:20] <dazjorz> baba...?!! [08:21] <gpd> Snippy: where did tyou get the C from ? tar xvfz ... [08:21] <beefster> delire - thanks [08:22] <EasterSunshine> hmm...thunderbird doesn't let me fetch mail from /var/mail/ , it requires that i have a pop3 serevr running? [08:24] <f_newton> EasterSunshine, try a root console, type mutt or go to /var/mail/whatever it is/ [08:25] <gpd> does everybody here use ext3 or are we trying xfs/jfs/reiser? [08:25] <Determinist> this doesnt make sense. my integrated 855 intel gfx card on my laptop runs 3d graphics much faster than my desktop's ati radeon 9600. even had ATI drivers installed... [08:25] <AdmiralSenn> gah [08:25] <AdmiralSenn> #gnome is dead [08:25] <glick> is AA open source? [08:25] <Determinist> any idea how to solve this? my 3d performance on the radeon card just sucks big time [08:25] <HappyFool> EasterSunshine: googling for Thunderbird /var/mail gives some possibly useful hits, e.g., http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2005-March/080586.html [08:25] <f_newton> i am hoping if I am wrong that someone will correct me in an embarrassingly effective manner [08:25] <DVSoftware> gpd, i'm using reiser [08:25] <ugo> hey guys... [08:26] <f_newton> well gosh DVSoftware I'll write that down [08:26] <ugo> i cant seem to find the manpages for fork, bind, accept etc on my ubuntu box [08:26] <gpd> DVSoftware: reiser is disliked by many... any problems? [08:26] <ugo> am i missing something or do i have to install a package ? [08:26] <DVSoftware> no problems at all [08:26] <HappyFool> ugo: install manpages-dev (i think) [08:26] <EasterSunshine> thx HappYFool [08:26] <ugo> ahh.... [08:27] <DVSoftware> i'm using reiser longer than year i think [08:27] <gpd> are there tools for reading the drive under windows? [08:27] <HappyFool> ugo: you'll also probably need build-essential (for gcc/g++/make) and various -dev packages, depending on what you want to build [08:27] <f_newton> heh I thought I was in the "other room" lol [08:27] <DVSoftware> but in my country power outages are very common thing [08:27] <DVSoftware> and i don't have ups [08:28] <DVSoftware> i've never got any corrupted data [08:28] <f_newton> DVSoftware, get a generator or build one from a some care alternators [08:28] <HappyFool> erk. that reminds me to get ups before thunderstorm season comes [08:28] <ugo> HappyFool thanks [08:28] <DVSoftware> gtg, bbl [08:28] <gpd> DVSoftware: ext2fsd for windows makes life easy if i need to read [08:30] <h08817> hey i need help installing a screensaver [08:31] <dazjorz> !cedega [08:31] <ubotu> cedega is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega [08:32] <Evan> hi [08:33] <Evan> hello oooooooo any body there [08:33] <h08817> how can i install a program from a website? [08:33] <Evan> i dont no [08:33] <h08817> i want the xsnow screen saver [08:33] <kemik> h08817: you download it [08:33] <juanej> hey ppl my hp cd-writer 9100 doesnt burn anything with k3b :( [08:33] <h08817> kemik, how i am a noob to linux [08:33] <Evan> ya wut kemik said [08:33] <vince> hey wen ever i try to play a mp3 with xmms it freezes [08:34] <kemik> h08817: depends, isit just sourcecode, or a .deb package? [08:34] <Evan> o right linux diffrent from windows [08:34] <kemik> vince: could be that your soundcard is busy [08:34] <alrighta> Whenever I try to open a new document(which a moment before I created) - I always get the same error - "Couldn't display <location here..> [08:34] <vince> no nothing is using my sound card [08:34] <h08817> a tar [08:34] <aru> h08817: I would try System > Administration > Synaptic then search for xsnow and install it [08:34] <Evan> i dont like linux cause you cant play that many good games on it [08:34] <h08817> what if it isn't there [08:35] <lakin> i'm walking my dad through a pretty much default ubuntu install with no networking over the phone. (Default hoary CD's from shipit). There was a problem with postfix, is this normal? Should I just rerun the base system install again? [08:35] <aru> add universe and search again [08:35] <Kirsch> Evan: what game? [08:35] <kemik> h08817: download the tarball, type "tar -zxvf filename.gz.tar" and then read the INSTALL or README... most likely the procedure is "./configure" "make" "sudo make install" [08:35] <linukso> h08817: xsnow is in universe, I just checked.... [08:35] <Evan> kirsch [08:36] <juanej> how do i hot scsi emulation? [08:36] <vince> do i need a plugin or sumthin? [08:36] <h08817> linukso, what does that mean? [08:36] <Kirsch> yes? [08:36] <linukso> h08817: use synaptic, it will make you life easier... [08:36] <kemik> h08817: but it's better to get the package through apt/synaptic [08:36] <kemik> !tell h08817 about universe [08:36] <Evan> i m trying to find out wut games work on linux and wut dont [08:36] <klaym> how can I get the window borders used on gperfection? I have all else working, but the border option won't show up, even though gperfection folder is in .themes [08:36] <kemik> !tell h08817 about repositories [08:36] <Snippy> how can I move a folder to the /usr/ folder? [08:36] <xerox> yo [08:36] <kemik> Snippy: mv [08:37] <Kirsch> !cedega [08:37] <ubotu> well, cedega is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega [08:37] <alrighta> lol.. help? [08:37] <xerox> Is there a freenode channel or some mailing list to keep updated with the breezy developement? [08:37] <Spudchat> hi guys my firefox stopped working yesterday so i uninstalled it but now cant figure out wehat packages i need to reinstall it [08:37] <h08817> ok while i am reading that i have a little problem with installing linux on a basically brand new computer and it just won't work [08:37] <deejoe_> /pub/linux/ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/ has a 2.6.12 restricted-modules package, but I can find no 2.6.12 kernel package anywhere. Any pointers as to where it might be, or why the modules would be in a repository but the matching binary kernel package isn't? [08:37] <linukso> klaym: what borders? [08:37] <Spudchat> any help is greatly appreciated [08:37] <Snippy> like " mv home/dl/usr/ /usr/ ? [08:37] <linukso> Spudchat: run apt-cache search firefox [08:37] <juanej> where do i find my cd-writer config file? [08:37] <lakin> it sounds like the CD is scratched. Damn. [08:38] <klaym> linukso: the borders where you have the x-button, etc [08:38] <Evan> who knows of an good games for linix [08:38] <logical_mark> hey guys. I went into ubuntu System -> Preferences -> Remote Desktop and I enabled it, but I dont know the port I need to forward on my router. [08:38] <Spudchat> it found a whole bunch [08:38] <logical_mark> Evan, Unreal Tournement 2004 runs on linux [08:38] <robertj> heya all, anyone got a recommendation on a bluetooth pen? [08:38] <erisco> how do i remove wine from my computer? [08:38] <linukso> klaym: I understood that, but have you got an picture i.ex? [08:38] <Evan> mark wut do u do in tit [08:38] <Evan> it [08:38] <erisco> 'rpm -e wine' isn't working, it says to use alien [08:39] <klaym> linukso: here: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/23563-1.jpg [08:39] <Kirsch> erisco: sudo apt-cache search wine; sudo apt-remove <what apt-cache search returns> [08:39] <kemik> Snippy: or use nautilus click-and-drag [08:39] <Snippy> permission denied [08:39] <gpd> Kirsch: no... dpkg -l |grep wine ... then apt-get remove [08:39] <kemik> erisco: rpm is for Redhat [08:39] <logical_mark> Evan, it is a first person shooter [08:39] <logical_mark> a lot of people play it [08:39] <Evan> cool [08:39] <Spudchat> so the firefox package and any thing else it needs should be fine to run? [08:40] <deejoe_> Evan, I like bzflag, but that's too old school for some people. [08:40] <logical_mark> hey guys. I went into ubuntu System -> Preferences -> Remote Desktop and I enabled it, but I dont know the port I need to forward on my router. [08:40] <kemik> erisco: and Wine is available from apt-get repositories [08:40] <gpd> where is the system v config editor in gnome... can't find it [08:40] <Evan> deejoe wut the hell is that [08:40] <logical_mark> gpd, where you asking me? [08:40] <gpd> logical_mark: no, anyone who knows... [08:41] <ubuntu_> how would I go about shrinking an ext3 partition?? [08:41] <hubsi> how do i mount a pati. !? [08:41] <h08817> can any1 tell me what this means? unlink after no-IRQ? Different ACPI or APIC settings may help [08:41] <deejoe_> Evan, tank sim [08:41] <kemik> Snippy: why are you moving stuff into /usr ? (you can probably do "sudo nautilus" however, im not sure if i recommend what you're doing ;) ) [08:41] <Evan> dee joe a tank simulation [08:41] <h08817> linukso, well i tried that repository thing [08:41] <kemik> !tell hubsi about mount [08:41] <bur[n] er> ubuntu_: gparted or qtparted [08:41] <lui> gpd: the v or the vi? [08:41] <h08817> and i still didn't find it [08:42] <logical_mark> so no one know what port remote desktop runs on? [08:42] <kemik> h08817: did you update ? (apt-get update) [08:42] <gpd> lui graphical front ent to sysv-rc-conf [08:42] <linukso> klaym: did you look at art.gnome.org [08:42] <deejoe_> Evan, it's networked, so you can play capture the flag or other team scenarios online. [08:42] <h08817> no i didn't [08:42] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to drop down to a term from a broken X in breezy? ctrl+alt+f2 f3, etc, don't work [08:42] <Evan> dee joe were do u get this game [08:42] <linukso> klaym: it look quite similar to several of the stock gnome borders [08:42] <kemik> h08817: xsnow - Brings Christmas to your desktop <-- is that what you want? [08:42] <BockBilbo> ... anyone here knows if there is a bug related to nautilus and nfs or smbfs? [08:42] <BockBilbo> :S [08:42] <h08817> eys [08:42] <linukso> h08817: did you select [08:43] <lui> gpd: oops, i dn't know [08:43] <lui> gpd: oops, i don't know [08:43] <linukso> h08817: did you add universe (and mulitverse) from synaptic? [08:43] <kemik> BockBilbo: there are at least to samba.. or has been bugs [08:43] <nubbe> Anyone know of e-book readers for ubuntu? [08:43] <wickedlester> bur[n] er it should be ctrl+alt+F1 [08:43] <Spudchat> allright so i installed fiefox, mozilla-firefox and the english language [08:43] <gpd> lui: it should be in gnome-utils but not there [08:43] <highvoltage> nubbe: xpdf? [08:43] <Evan> o [08:43] <bur[n] er> wickedlester: still nothin [08:43] <deejoe_> Evan, *I* get it from Debian repositories, but bzflag.org and google might have other clues. [08:43] <h08817> no what is that? [08:43] <Spudchat> anthing im missing? [08:43] <xerox> bur[n] er, the topic states "Please, don't use breezy yet" [08:43] <wickedlester> ctrl+alt+backspace? [08:43] <bur[n] er> wickedlester: why not f2, f3, etc [08:44] <h08817> linukso, how do i do that? [08:44] <bur[n] er> yeah i know [08:44] <Evan> Dee joe k thanks a lot [08:44] <nubbe> highvoltage, works for more than pdf? [08:44] <BockBilbo> kemik, see, every once in a while, nautiluse gets frozen [08:44] <deejoe_> Evan, have fun. [08:44] <bur[n] er> wickedlester: tried that too... think I just have to go to recovery mode or boot a livecd [08:44] <Evan> dee joe k bye [08:44] <BockBilbo> because im working with a remote share mounted on my system via nfs or smbfs [08:44] <linukso> !repositories [08:44] <ubotu> from memory, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [08:44] <kemik> h08817: read your links from ubotu [08:44] <bur[n] er> just curious if there was some weird key combo i didn't know about [08:44] <BockBilbo> i dnt know if thats normal :S [08:44] <linukso> h08817: take a look at that. [08:44] <bur[n] er> thanks anyway [08:44] <wickedlester> maybe you have enabled the windows ctrl+alt+delete :D [08:44] <Spudchat> damn it still wont work :( [08:44] <kemik> BockBilbo: my entire computer locked up while heavy loadinf over the samba-mounts... [08:45] <kemik> BockBilbo: solved my problems with switching to NFS [08:45] <BockBilbo> kemik, i have the same problem [08:45] <BockBilbo> but the problem still there using nfs [08:45] <linukso> Spudchat: Is it a problem for all users? [08:45] <BockBilbo> :S [08:45] <Spudchat> im the only one [08:45] <linukso> Spudchat: it might be a problem with you profile [08:45] <kemik> that sucks :/ [08:45] <Spudchat> damn [08:45] <Spudchat> how would i find out? and do you think restarting would help? [08:45] <linukso> Spudchat: just remove ~/.mozilla/firefox [08:46] <linukso> or rename it [08:46] <linukso> and try again [08:46] <Spudchat> try running it again? [08:46] <Spudchat> or installin it again [08:46] <linukso> no no, no need to reinstall [08:46] <Spudchat> hmm allright [08:46] <linukso> just try starting it again [08:46] <erisco> how do i add a folder into my /etc/ folder with root? [08:46] <linukso> might be easier if you describe the error a bit more. [08:47] <erisco> what is the command is what i am asking? [08:47] <linukso> erisco: sudo mkdir /etc/foo [08:47] <Spudchat> it just says starting firefox and then never does [08:47] <zAo^> Are the restricted modules for kernel 2.6.12-6.7 the same as the ones for kernel 2.6.12-6.8? [08:47] <linukso> Spudchat: try starting firefox from gnome-terminal [08:48] <gpd> zAo^: where are you getting that kernel/ [08:48] <zAo^> Breezy [08:48] <BTJustice> I am trying ot mount my WIndows hard drives. I run "sudo fdisk -l" which lists all of my installed hard drives then I run "sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/backup/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222" to mount one of them (this is a backup drive with documents nad pictures) and it errors out. What I am doing wrong? [08:49] <gpd> zAo^: I am tempted by a chroot breezy for testing... but too unstable for main machine :) [08:49] <keikoz> BTJustice [08:49] <gpd> BTJustice: what is the error [08:49] <zAo^> its on my main machine here :$ [08:49] <BTJustice> Let me paste it... [08:49] <keikoz> the options come before arguments [08:49] <erisco> i am trying to compile wine, but it says there is no C compiler in $PATH [08:49] <erisco> where can i complie wine? [08:49] <erisco> it is in my etc folder [08:49] <HappyFool> install 'build-essential' [08:49] <keikoz> why compile wine ? [08:50] <BTJustice> 4 lines... [08:50] <linukso> erisco: get it with aptitude [08:50] <keikoz> it is in repositories [08:50] <BTJustice> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1, [08:50] <BTJustice> missing codepage or other error [08:50] <BTJustice> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try [08:50] <BTJustice> dmesg | tail or so [08:50] <keikoz> apt-get wine [08:50] <keikoz> apt-get install wine [08:50] <Chaotic_Shield> you need to get the repository for wine though [08:50] <erisco> i am compiling wine [08:50] <Chaotic_Shield> wine.sourceforge.net I think it is [08:50] <Chaotic_Shield> just check out winehq.com [08:50] <keikoz> just main or universe [08:50] <highvoltage> keikoz: you used to use gentoo? [08:50] <keikoz> universe i huess [08:50] <h08817> linukso, doesn't work for me so i guess i can't get it [08:50] <erisco> not using synaptic [08:51] <keikoz> highvoltage i did use it but i'm on ubuntu now; why ? [08:51] <HappyFool> erisco: hang on, someone posted a guide to compiling wine [08:51] <lui> gpd: try /usr/share/sysvinit [08:51] <HappyFool> erisco: let me see if i can find it [08:51] <Chaotic_Shield> HappyFool, it's on winehq.com [08:51] <HappyFool> erisco: oh, here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FlashPlayerStandalone [08:51] <HappyFool> erisco: stop at the 'Setting up Flashplayer' step ;) [08:52] <h08817> install help here please [08:52] <gpd> lui: I used sysv-rc-conf - it was all good, sysvconfig is broke though [08:52] <alrighta> Whenever I try to open a new document(which a moment before I created) - I always get the same error - "Couldn't display <location here..> [08:52] <h08817> for ubuntu [08:52] <juanej> PPL: Does anybody have a hp 9100 CD-Writer?? [08:52] <BTJustice> keikoz & gpd: See the error I pasted? [08:52] <highvoltage> keikoz: i started using gentoo on one computer recently, and whenever i come back to my ubuntu box i type "apt-get program" instead of "apt-get install program", just like you did. [08:52] <keikoz> BTJustice the options come before arguments [08:52] <linukso> h08817: could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in pastebin [08:53] <keikoz> and try without the nls= [08:53] <keikoz> i'm not sure about this option [08:53] <BTJustice> keikoz: What does that mean? I am, new to Linux. [08:53] <h08817> where is pastebin? [08:53] <keikoz> just put the options before /dev/hda ... [08:53] <cute_bettong> !pastebin [08:53] <ubotu> [pastebin] at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood [08:53] <cute_bettong> ubotu hi [08:53] <ubotu> que tal [08:53] <h08817> bueno [08:54] <cute_bettong> wants his own bot >.< [08:54] <keikoz> highvoltage ah ... emerge power :p [08:54] <lui> gpd: I don't see any sysv-rc-conf [08:54] <gpd> lui you have to apt-get it :) [08:54] <BTJustice> "sudo mount -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222 /dev/hda1 /media/backup/" ??? [08:54] <gpd> BTJustice: should work [08:54] <keikoz> that's better yes [08:54] <BTJustice> ok, let me try that [08:54] <Raptoid> selamlar. [08:54] <lui> gpd: that's why I don't see any :) [08:54] <keikoz> but i'm still not sure about nls= [08:54] <phixion> is there anyway to stop dvd's 'skipping' on playback ? :/ [08:55] <keikoz> just try it like this, you'll be fixed [08:55] <psurani> hello [08:55] <lui> I'm going to eat..... (hungry) [08:55] <nubbe> Does anyone have experience with ntfsfix? I'm going to run it on a big partition, is it (relatively) safe? [08:55] <psurani> are u people on ubuntu ? [08:55] <phixion> yes [08:55] <keikoz> nubbe nothing about ntfs is safe :p [08:55] <keikoz> except reading it ... [08:55] <psurani> hey i cannt install any packages, it says gcc and cc not avaiable !! [08:55] <nubbe> keikoz, hehe, don't I know it :) [08:55] <gpd> BTJustice: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mount_Windows_partitions_(DOS,_FAT,NTFS) [08:56] <abarbaccia> phixion, is DMA enabled on your CDROM drive [08:56] <h08817> linukso, ok there it is [08:56] <gpd> BTJustice: nls = native language support... unicode... [08:56] <phixion> psurani, apt-get install build-essential [08:56] <nubbe> are there other tools than ntfsfix? [08:56] <phixion> ah, good point abarbaccia [08:56] <linukso> h08817: address? [08:56] <BTJustice> ok, thanks guys [08:56] <alrighta> guys.. some help here? :/ [08:57] <h08817> linukso, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/331434 [08:57] <BTJustice> gpd: That link has no text on page [08:58] <gpd> BTJustice: works for me... it has weird ( and , though... :( [08:58] <zyga> does anyone know of a GUI for hdparam? [08:58] <jmanns> how can i increase the swap space in gnome for a smoother running gui enviroment? [08:58] <zyga> (hdparam.conf) [08:58] <linukso> h08817: looks good, and sudo aptitude install xsnow doesn't work? [08:58] <gpd> BTJustice: !google nls=utf8 mount ntfs ... first hit... [08:58] <h08817> what do u mean [08:58] <h08817> can i just do sudo apt-get install xsnow? [08:58] <linukso> h08817: yes [08:58] <jmanns> anybody know what i'm talking about? [08:59] <h08817> didn't work [08:59] <h08817> couldn't find the packatge [08:59] <BTJustice> gpd: thatp age works, thanks, I'll read it [08:59] <jmanns> can anyone help me out? [08:59] <linukso> jmanns: you could increase the swap space, but I doubt it would speed up your system... [09:02] <phixion> !repositories [09:02] <ubotu> [repositories] at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [09:02] <linukso> h08817: run "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install xsnow" [09:02] <deejoe_> I'll try this again... /pub/linux/ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/ has a 2.6.12 restricted-modules package, but I can find no 2.6.12 kernel package anywhere. Any pointers as to where it might be, or why the modules would be in a repository but the matching binary kernel package isn't? [09:03] <deejoe_> this is on one of the us mirrors, btw [09:04] <Xyc0> I need a program that will help me sniff out hot spots for my wireless network, anyone point me in the right direction? [09:04] <HappyFool> deejoe_: maybe it's for breezy? [09:04] <Miks> how can i unmount my floppy drive forever...it doesnt work so i see no need in having it...i dont want it to appear anymore in "Computer" [09:04] <glick> Xyc0, kismet? [09:04] <HappyFool> deejoe_: i doubt you can install it in hoary [09:05] <Xyc0> glick: Does that work for G format as well? [09:05] <deejoe_> HappyFool: not sure why not: the kernels shouldn't be so tied to the userland that that can't be done: I ran a KNOPPIX kernel with hoary, for instance. The reason I'm looking for this is that madwifi drivers for my laptops atheros are broken in the 2.6.10 that came with hoary. But the KNOPPIX kernel doesn't have hibernate (swsusp2 I think), but Ubuntu does. I'd like to have both :-) [09:06] <HappyFool> deejoe_: Seveas earlier said that hotplug will break [09:06] <Poromies> deejoe_: sry im coming in between from the bushes, but do you need 2.6.12 kernel and restrited-modules / headers for it? [09:06] <glick> Xyc0, im not sure, check out the website, i know the guy who develops it, its very active [09:06] <glick> Xyc0, #kismet [09:06] <erisco> how do i install dev packages? i need Xlib/Xfree86 [09:06] <Poromies> deejoe_: coz i installed them all from breezy repos to my hoary (or is it hoary then.. hmm..) [09:07] <HappyFool> erisco: try install 'x-window-system-dev' [09:07] <Spudchat> guys im still not having any luck [09:07] <deejoe_> Poromies, I'm hoping 2.6.12 has working madwifi. The KNOPPIX was 2.6.11, and its wifi worked with my built-in atheros. [09:07] <HappyFool> erisco: did you read the wiki page i pointed you too? [09:07] <HappyFool> erisco: if you followed those instructions, the wine dependencies should be installed for you [09:07] <Stormx> hey! Who has wine installed? [09:08] <cute_bettong> i use cedega [09:08] <cute_bettong> with point2play [09:08] <Poromies> deejoe_: you just need to edit sources.list and change all hoary -> breezy, then update synaptic and search for the files you need, install them and then change repos back to hoary, and then update synaptic again :) [09:08] <Subfix> Anyone know a solution for the drivers in Ubuntu not installing correctly? None of my hardware is detected (not even the CPU)... only my gfx card [09:08] <HappyFool> erisco: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FlashPlayerStandalone [09:08] <HappyFool> erisco: for the compiler, install the 'build-essential' package [09:08] <jordan_> does anyone know a great how to for a CVS wine build for ubuntu? [09:08] <Subfix> I have 'version magic' errors, that's all I know of. [09:08] <deejoe_> Poromies: heh. That might be worth a try. [09:08] <Poromies> deejoe_: thats how i got my perfectly working 2.6.12 kernel with ati-drivers and wifi :) [09:09] <delire> jordan_: you mean winex? [09:09] <HappyFool> erisco: please read the wiki page [09:09] <HappyFool> erisco: it says 'FlashPlayer', but the initial sections will tell you how to install wine [09:09] <Stormx> Who has wine installed and working? [09:09] <pfp> o/ [09:09] <piksi> *** how to build a 5.04 install iso with a newer kernel (the current 5.04 cannot recognize sata atapi dvd and sata hdd) *** [09:09] <Poromies> deejoe_: but remember not to do a full system update from breezy, then you'll just be getting everything breezed to problem-land :) [09:09] <piksi> i need some serious help with this :-> [09:10] <crimsun> deejoe_: as in the archive management software? [09:10] <deejoe_> crimsun: yes [09:10] <pfp> Stormx: i have, altough i only used (yuk) lotus notes with it [09:10] <crimsun> deejoe_: admin/madison-lite [09:11] <elixyr_faery> anyone here have the ares plug-in for giFT? [09:11] <delire> jordan_: but that page you just gave me has the entire instructions. [09:11] <Xyc0> damn it is US mirrors broken again? [09:11] <deejoe_> Poromies, no worries, the only ubuntu I'm running at the moment is a hoary live CD. laptop randomly decided it didn't want to recognize the partition ubuntu was installed on last weekend. [09:11] <crimsun> Xyc0: they seem fine to me, why? [09:12] <deejoe_> crimsun: thank you! [09:12] <jasmuz> elixyr_faery: nope, what client are you using? [09:12] <Subfix> Does Kubuntu come with GNOME as well as KDE? [09:12] <asfra> Does java programs work equally on both windows and linux? of course u have to hava java-enviroment [09:12] <jasmuz> Subfix: nope, just KDE [09:12] <HappyFool> Subfix: not the kubuntu CD; you can easily install gnome as well, though [09:13] <elixyr_faery> client? as in interface? I havent tried running it yet. [09:13] <crimsun> asfra: that's the goal at least. YMMV. [09:13] <elixyr_faery> I'm only running setup once. [09:13] <Subfix> Thanks guys. [09:13] <HappyFool> i.e., write once, run everywhere (ymmv) [09:13] <Subfix> hopefully Kubuntu doesn' [09:13] <BTJustice> gpd: That takes care of my mount problem I believe, thank you. [09:13] <Subfix> t yield the same driver error [09:14] <asfra> crimsun: ok, that would be great [09:14] <HappyFool> Subfix: the only difference between kubuntu/ubuntu is the desktop environment [09:14] <BTJustice> Might anyone be able to help me get my Creative SB Live! 7.1 sound card to work? [09:14] <HappyFool> Subfix: i.e., same kernel, same system libraries, etc. [09:14] <cute_bettong> my 5.1 worked right off the bat [09:14] <crimsun> BTJustice: you need the snd_ca0106 driver. [09:14] <crimsun> !tell BTJustice about alsa-source [09:14] <BTJustice> crisun: ty [09:14] <piksi> Poromies: any help for a fellow finn for a sata hdd laptop install? :-> [09:14] <cute_bettong> do i need the same driver for my sb Live 5.1? [09:15] <jasmuz> HappyFool: I love my Gnome Desktop [09:15] <crimsun> cute_bettong: no, you need the standard snd_emu10k1 driver, why? [09:15] <jasmuz> :) [09:15] <cute_bettong> just wondering [09:15] <cute_bettong> the card works perfectly right now [09:15] <cute_bettong> i was just wondering [09:15] <cute_bettong> lol [09:15] <gpd> BTJustice: congratulations on your windows mount :) [09:15] <jasmuz> piksi: SATA installs are troublesome sometimes [09:16] <piksi> jasmuz: yeah, i've experienced that with both debian and ubuntu installers :-/ [09:16] <Subfix> Well, maybe it will install right [09:16] <JDahl> piksi, sometimes changing BIOS settings will help [09:16] <Subfix> HappyFool: the /lib/modules directory went crazy with Ubuntu [09:17] <HappyFool> by 'went crazy' you mean? [09:17] <piksi> JDahl: there are only User / Other Atapi / Auto for hdd and dvd drives, only dma/pio transfer modes can be changed :-< [09:17] <jasmuz> piksi: how are you interfacing SATA drives to a laptop? [09:17] <Subfix> HappyFool: the file structure differed from what it looked for when booting, so i copied the files around and now i get these version errors [09:17] <brokeboy> anyone up to help an ubuntu newbie? [09:18] <gpd> jasmuz: maybe he is using a SATA drive in a firewire / USB enclosure? [09:18] <HappyFool> Subfix: worrying [09:18] <jasmuz> brokeboy: what can we help you wiht? [09:18] <Spudchat> thanks for the help i booted up in gnome and it worked!!! [09:18] <jasmuz> with? [09:18] <Subfix> HappyFool: I had a dir called '2.6.10-5-386' and it was looking for modules.dep in '2.6.11-6mdk' [09:18] <piksi> jasmuz: gpd: no no, this is a builtin sata hdd with intel 82801fbe controller, the nec dvd works over atapi [09:18] <brokeboy> just made the switch from windows and trying to get limewire up and running [09:19] <crimsun> Subfix: that's odd. Why did you have a Mandriva/Mandrake kernel installed? [09:19] <HappyFool> Subfix: mdk sounds like mandrake to me [09:19] <jasmuz> gpd: that sounds unpractical, if you install ubuntu you would like to move around with it [09:19] <Subfix> ... [09:19] <Subfix> i never thought of that [09:19] <brokeboy> think i'm having problems with java. (?) [09:19] <jasmuz> piksi: ohh; cant help you much there....i dont know jack about laptops [09:19] <Subfix> all i used was an ubuntu cd, although mandriva is installed on hdb [09:19] <brk3> can anyone recommend whats the best laptop to use with linux? [09:19] <cute_bettong> i can help with the java [09:20] <cute_bettong> ^_^ [09:20] <deejoe_> brk3: I just went into a store with a live CD and bought the one that I though worked best with it. [09:20] <jasmuz> brokeboy: did you install java already? [09:20] <cute_bettong> IBM THINKPAD has a good rep with Ubuntu [09:20] <deejoe_> (of the ones they offered, that is) [09:20] <piksi> jasmuz: well, the only thing i would need is a newer kernel for the ubuntu install :-/ but i don't know how to embed it into the iso [09:20] <cute_bettong> afaik [09:20] <JDahl> piksi, does Linux freeze during boot with kernel panic? I've had my shares of related problems [09:20] <brk3> deejoe_: heh good idea [09:21] <brk3> the main thing i want to work well is wlan [09:21] <HappyFool> Subfix: very odd; I can't see why ubuntu would even know about the mandrake kernels [09:21] <Subfix> wow [09:21] <Arktis> brk3: compaqs are generally good (i have one) but I don't remember if they ever got the 3d mobility chips done. [09:21] <Subfix> HappyFool: I just thought of something... [09:21] <piksi> JDahl: knoppix 4.0 works perfectly immediately with both dvd boot and hdd install, but with ubuntu 5.04 and debian sarge installers they just fuckup [09:21] <brokeboy> i dont know my ass from a hole in the ground about the ubuntu interface. cant get the right program from sun website to run limewire with. don't even know how to run the program if i got the right one. [09:21] <jasmuz> piksi: The install cd runs with a 2.6.10-5 wich is the stable of that branch [09:21] <piksi> JDahl: debian claims it cannot find any hdd or partitions and ubuntu says it cannot find cd-rom [09:21] <Subfix> HappyFool: My bootloader was already installed on hdb, and I'm thinking I missed something basic here: the "Image" in the bootloader [09:22] <brk3> is anyone using wlan here with a laptop? [09:22] <alejandro> someone missing xmodmap command? now xbase-clients doesn't install it. [09:22] <deejoe_> brk3: one thing that caught me up for a while was that they put little adhesive-backed anti-theft tags in the bed of the optical drives, which meant the CD wouldn't spin. I peeled them off and relocated them, and then things worked normally. Though, it made me a little nervous, even though the things were also locked down pretty tight with a cable. [09:22] <highvoltage> brk3: i am [09:22] <HappyFool> Subfix: possibly [09:22] <linukso> brk3: me too [09:22] <jasmuz> brokeboy: java can be done easier [09:22] <Subfix> HappyFool: I think my bootloader is using a mandrake boot image... it's the only option there [09:22] <Arktis> me too [09:22] <brokeboy> how? [09:22] <pfp> piksi: hmm, you could boot from knoppix, then clone a working ubuntu installation over the network... supposing one is available :) [09:22] <TreeFrog> Hi all.. nice and busy here [09:22] <brk3> highvoltage: what laptop? [09:22] <Subfix> damn. it all makes sense now [09:22] <highvoltage> TreeFrog: always :) [09:22] <piksi> pfp: urgh, how the hell to do that? :-> any easier ways available? ;-> [09:23] <brk3> Arktis: what laptop? [09:23] <highvoltage> brk3: IBM T42 [09:23] <Arktis> Compaq 2500 [09:23] <HappyFool> Subfix: the ubuntu hoary install was quite good about detecting other OS installs (well, only warty and windows xp) and adding them to grub's boot list [09:23] <linukso> brk3: Dell inspiron 8100 with 3com wlan card [09:23] <piksi> pfp: how about mounting ubuntu install cd iso to some point and replace the kernel with newer one configured properly? [09:23] <JDahl> piksi, there's something broken with SATA support in the ramdisk image on Debian [09:23] <Subfix> HappyFool: well, i think it installed grub on hda, and everything is booting from lilo [09:23] <Subfix> hdb [09:23] <brk3> is there a nice gui to using it? [09:23] <HappyFool> Subfix: ah. anyway, i'm guessing if you tweak the lilo config you can fix it [09:23] <piksi> JDahl: oh, can anything be done to fix it? [09:24] <Arktis> what, the wlan? sure. but you've got to wrestle with ndiswrapper [09:24] <brk3> Arktis: i hear there are ones you dont have to bother with ndiswrapper [09:24] <Arktis> there are now native drivers for the rt2500usb (wusb54g) [09:24] <pfp> piksi: could work, though i have no idea how to do that... :/ [09:25] <Arktis> it's an adapter that you can get at radio shack and plug into any computer [09:25] <Arktis> (wireless) [09:25] <Arktis> I have one [09:25] <Spudchat> linukso, thanks the gnome terminal did it [09:25] <Subfix> HappyFool: How do I uninstall the bootloader on hdb? [09:25] <TreeFrog> Hey Anychance I can pick someones brains about setting up streamtuner and Mplayer setup? [09:25] <JDahl> piksi, someone more informed than me tried to guide me through it, but I eventually gave up. You have to rebuild the ramdisk image, and be more generous with amount the of SATA related modules you load [09:25] <HappyFool> Subfix: um [09:26] <pfp> piksi: cloning mahcines over the net is quite simple, eg. "ssh root@workingmachine tar cpf - --exclude=/proc / | tar -xpf - -C /mnt/laptop" [09:26] <HappyFool> Subfix: tell your BIOS to boot from hda maybe? [09:26] <brk3> are the nc laptops that ubuntu are supporting new enough models? [09:26] <piksi> JDahl: ok, thanks anyway :-) [09:26] <Subfix> worth a try. thanks for the help... [09:26] <HappyFool> Subfix: i'm not sure what you want to do [09:26] <Arktis> dunno, brk3 [09:27] <HappyFool> Subfix: i would guess you could just boot mandrake, edit lilo.conf and run lilo to update the bootloader config [09:27] <JDahl> piksi, in short, with the stock version, not all modules are loaded [09:27] <Darth_Kernel> buenas! [09:27] <Arktis> I'd try breezy for any newer laptops though. [09:27] <erisco> is there anyway i can get ALL dev packages? [09:27] <piksi> pfp: this sucks coz i have only this laptop :-D [09:27] <Arktis> when I got mine, hoary was still in development and that's what I wnet with. I really didn't have any problems. [09:27] <delire> erisco: ? [09:27] <Subfix> HappyFool: eh, well. my installation of ubuntu got effed up, so i need to reinstall that (that whole renameing folders bit changed some files automatically, to my surprise) [09:28] <cute_bettong> in may i orderd 100 Ubuntu cd's how come i haven't gotten them yet [09:28] <piksi> JDahl: i tried loading all sort of sata modules during installer bootup from a second console but apparently they were wrong or not enough :-/ [09:28] <delire> erisco: that's madness [09:28] <lakin> with the default ubuntu install disks, is there a way to run the integrity checks before anything else? [09:28] <cute_bettong> i got the 10 that i orderd but not the others >.< [09:28] <glick> cute_bettong, took me a long time to get mine [09:28] <JDahl> piksi, the installation is normally fine... it's the installed ramdisk than doesnt load all the modules you need [09:28] <glick> they were shipped all the way from belgium and the media rate [09:28] <lakin> cute_bettong, larger orders have more likelihood to be caught up in customs as well. [09:28] <HappyFool> lakin: you can use 'md5sum' to check the disks, assuming you have a working computer [09:28] <delire> cute_bettong: 2 months here [09:28] <JDahl> piksi, (I think) [09:29] <thrice`> cute_bettong, how the hell should we know that [09:29] <cute_bettong> >.< damn woulden't they tell me about that though? [09:29] <HappyFool> lakin: i.e., windows or other linux or whatever [09:29] <lakin> HappyFool, I'm going to be getting my dad to do this over the phone, I'd prefer another way. [09:29] <asfra> how do I run a ' .sh ' -file? it's a bourne-again script? (no need to say that I'm a n00b i guess :) [09:29] <Arktis> anybody know how to setup firestarter so it doesn't interfere with bittorrent? [09:29] <thrice`> asfra, sh file.sh [09:29] <TreeFrog> Hey is there a place I can go to ask some Newbei stuff about streamtuner setup? It is recking my head!! [09:29] <piksi> JDahl: oh well... so apparently i need to wait for a new release? :-/ (since i'm not a master in tweaking the system) [09:29] <lakin> The install has an integrity check builtin, but unless we pick expert, or a step fails, I'm not sure how to get to that first. [09:29] <pfp> piksi: you should force some friend to install ubuntu :) [09:29] <delire> asfra ./file.sh or sh file.sh [09:29] <delire> asfra: the former only if it's executable [09:29] <cute_bettong> if they got caught in customes woulden't they tell me? [09:29] <HappyFool> lakin: sorry, i don't remember when the integrity check happens [09:29] <piksi> pfp: my friend tried but eventually gave up and installed a bloated knoppix instead, i hate it ;-> [09:30] <JDahl> piksi, for me the installation always worked, but all subsequent boots would freeze with kernel panic... the bad news is that it's a well-documented critical bug, that people apparently doesnt care about [09:30] <lakin> HappyFool, that's ok. I'll do some more research. [09:30] <asfra> delire: yes, this is what i have been trying, but didn't work.. i'll try what u said first.. thanks [09:30] <crimsun> JDahl: I wouldn't say that they don't care about it, but have you provided enough debugging info for them? [09:31] <cute_bettong> if the 100 cd's i orderd got stuck in custums woulden't i get a letter or something? [09:31] <JDahl> crimsun, there was rants after rants about it one year ago Debian lists [09:31] <anacron> AHHH my wlan works now, but how do i make wlan card found at boot? [09:31] <piksi> JDahl: since knoppix works perfectly and is debian based ... can i assume debian and ubuntu would too after installation? [09:32] <delire> anacron: see /etc/network/interfaces [09:32] <glick> hey has anyone used the m68hcxx-gnu development tools? [09:32] <Arktis> indeed. auto wlan0 [09:32] <glick> gcc-m68hcxx [09:32] <glick> ? [09:32] <delire> anacron: also ensure any modules you need to support this card go into /etc/modules [09:32] <anacron> oh man [09:32] <anacron> how should i know which modules it uses... [09:32] <JDahl> piksi, it depends on the hardware, I think.. [09:33] <joha> Hi all! [09:33] <delire> anacron: do you remember loading any modules (drivers) to get it to work? [09:33] <Arktis> anacron, you using ndiswrapper? [09:33] <glick> has anyone cused the cross compiler? [09:33] <joha> Is it possible to configure Ubuntu so that it doesn't lock the screen when returning from hibernation? [09:33] <anacron> Arktis: no [09:33] <HappyFool> knowing compilers, i imagine many people have cussed it [09:33] <Arktis> oh. nevermind then. [09:33] <lemonspls> quick easy question: on the mirrors there are two directories /5.04 and /hoary both seem to contain the same latest version of ubuntu? why, or are there differnces? [09:34] <anacron> delire: well i can get those, do i add all of them? [09:34] <Arktis> lemonspls, try 'eenie meenie minie moe' =p [09:34] <lemonspls> er [09:34] <anacron> delire: it is some raltek based wlan drivers, so it load lot's of stuff [09:34] <anacron> realtek* [09:35] <Arktis> XD [09:35] <lemonspls> so there is no difference? but why the hell are there two directories then? [09:35] <Kyral> Anyone have any luck with Enlightened GNOME? [09:35] <asfra> !wlan [09:35] <ubotu> asfra: I don't know, could you explain it? [09:35] <anacron> where can i get enlightened gnome? [09:35] <piksi> JDahl: ok, thanks... [09:35] <Faco> I cant hear anything in an ubuntu hoary [09:36] <Arktis> lemonspls, hang on a sec [09:36] <lemonspls> Arktis: cool, thx [09:36] <crimsun> Faco: cat /proc/asound/modules [09:36] <brk3> can anyone tell me what the evil with ndiswrapper is..? [09:37] <glick> has anyone used the motorola cross compilation tools on ubuntu? do they work well? [09:37] <Syco54645> anyone know of a good ad blacklist? [09:37] <Faco> crimsum: doesnt exist the directory [09:37] <Syco54645> i want to set my router up to block ads [09:38] <delire> anacron: is it a PCMCIA adapater? [09:38] <Faco> that was the answer [09:38] <crimsun> Faco: lspci -v |grep udio [09:38] <anacron> delire: it's a d-link dwl-510 card [09:38] <brk3> what do people think of this laptop? http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=11490 [09:38] <brk3> wrong url :p http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/product_detail.do?product_code=EC356UA%23ABA&que-id=x&BV_EngineID=cchfaddfghddidlcfngcfkmdfondfgf.0&BV_SessionID=%40%40%40%400933526361.1123442385%40%40%40%40&jumpid=re_r2122_advisors/adi/hpsh|notebook [09:38] <Faco> nothing I guess, im gonna try something [09:38] <lemonspls> Arktis: hm, thats not the problem i know my architecture. i just wonder why there seem to be two directories with the latest releases having 2 different names.... [09:38] <asfra> Is there any way to test that java has been correctly installed? I've tried the ' java -version ' and that looks ok.. [09:38] <brk3> sorry [09:38] <delire> anacron: oh ok, well just make sure the pcmcia modules are in /etc/modules [09:38] <brk3> asfra: try running a java program? :p [09:38] <anacron> Syco54645: take peerguardians blocklist? [09:39] <Arktis> i'd ignore it and just follow the links from the main page. [09:39] <alrighta> How do I install Flash support to my firefox? "sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla" doesn't work for me- it does not find the package [09:39] <Arktis> it doesn't matter. [09:39] <Syco54645> anacron, does peer guardian block ads? [09:39] <lemonspls> Arktis: ok, so what the difference to the /hoary directory? it has 5.04 also [09:39] <asfra> brk3: lol, this is what I'm doing and it hangs when installing.. [09:39] <anacron> Syco54645: it blocks everything :D [09:39] <lemonspls> Arktis: hm, ok strange [09:39] <Arktis> just use the main page links. [09:39] <Arktis> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ [09:39] <brk3> alrighta: click on a flash item in firefox and it will ask you do you want to install the plugin [09:39] <Syco54645> anacron, i would rather not use it as most sites that i use on a regular are blocked with it [09:39] <lemonspls> thx [09:40] <brk3> asfra: maybe its just the app [09:40] <juanej> anybody with a hp cd-writer 9100 series burning ok? [09:40] <HappyFool> alrighta: you probably need to add network repositories; see this link (ubotu, below): [09:40] <HappyFool> !repositories [09:40] <ubotu> rumour has it, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [09:40] <brk3> whats the problem with ndiswrapper..? anyone? [09:40] <EasterSunshine> postfix is the service that when i send mail to myself, puts it into /var/mail/username ? [09:40] <asfra> brk3: yeah, I'll try to kill the process and start it again.. [09:40] <brk3> asfra: if the java- -version works its probably intalled ok [09:40] <pfp> EasterSunshine: yes [09:40] <alrighta> HappyFool, I've added the repositories. [09:41] <HappyFool> alrighta: are you on amd64 by any chance? [09:41] <alrighta> nope. [09:41] <NoHope> hi all [09:41] <HappyFool> alrighta: did you add the 'multiverse' repository? [09:41] <anacron> hmm i'll let the wlan be, and go to sleep, good night everyone [09:41] <NoHope> hey, how to search a package using apt-get? [09:41] <crimsun> Faco: what type of sound card is it? [09:42] <crimsun> NoHope: apt-cache search foo [09:42] <crimsun> NoHope: or aptitude search foo [09:42] <HappyFool> alrighta: that's where flashplayer-mozilla is. Finally, if you're using apt-get (not synaptic) run 'apt-get update' [09:42] <NoHope> crimsun, uhmm... that's the error, I thought apt-get. thx. [09:42] <kryps> where can i find docs on troubleshooting an installation halt, booting from live cd? [09:43] <alrighta> HappyFool, I've already upgraded my system [09:43] <Centaur> Why would the package manager not find the newest version of gaim? [09:43] <HappyFool> alrighta: 'apt-get update' is different from 'apt-get upgrade' [09:44] <thrice`> Centaur, because it's not in there [09:44] <thrice`> unless you're using backports [09:44] <HappyFool> alrighta: 'apt-get update' just updates what packages apt knows about [09:44] <Madeye> guys i'm trying to install some extensions for mozilla browser but getting error permission denied couldn't install to your profile folder [09:44] <kao> hello all [09:44] <alrighta> HappyFool, alright - I'm doing it. [09:44] <Madeye> where is the profile folder so i can chmod it [09:44] <Centaur> thrice`: well when you reload the package manager isn't it suppossed to find the newest versions? [09:45] <HappyFool> alrighta: anyway, flashplayer-mozilla is in hoary multiverse; what error do you get when you try to install it? (don't paste more than 2 lines here; paste onto a pastebin) [09:45] <kao> anybody use scilab here [09:45] <alrighta> HappyFool, as I've already mentioned, it simply does not find the package [09:45] <stu> hi [09:45] <brk3> HappyFool: dont bother with that shite, just get the linux tarball from the macromedia website [09:45] <stu> how would you specify in iptables -s if you want to allow all ip's starting with 81.xxx.yyy.zzz? [09:45] <brk3> it works the best [09:45] <thrice`> Centaur, no; keep in mind that you are running the stable version of ubuntu, not development [09:45] <Snippy> how can I run .sh files? [09:45] <Snippy> !sh [09:45] <ubotu> Wish i knew, Snippy [09:46] <Faco> crimsum, my computer crashed when I tried something, I really have no idea because is my brothers computer but if you want I can send you an screenshot of the device manager [09:46] <Centaur> thrice`: So ubuntu doesn't update the non-stable versions of programs? [09:46] <HappyFool> Snippy: try 'sh filename' [09:46] <brk3> Snippy: ./file.sh [09:46] <HappyFool> Snippy: where filename is the file in question [09:46] <thrice`> Centaur, no; it only updates packages if there are security flaws [09:46] <kryps> when i boot ubunto 5.04 live cd (i386 machine, celeron 400), it starts loading a bunch of stuff (black screen), but pauses after " uhci-hcd: loaded successfully" [09:47] <kao> 2Snippy: try ./blah-blah-blah.sh [09:47] <Snippy> thanks [09:47] <Centaur> thrice`: Okay, so I guess I should just manually update the newest version? [09:47] <Faco> crimsun: I have just installed ubuntu here [09:48] <Snippy> I get a permission denied [09:48] <HappyFool> try 'sh filename' [09:48] <crimsun> Faco: what type of sound card is it? [09:48] <Snippy> thanks worked [09:48] <synd> how do you unblock someone in gaim? [09:49] <kao> 2kryps: afaik, it's troubles with usb, so load livecd with no-usb option [09:49] <kao> 2Shippy: chmod +x [09:49] <Faco> as I explained you I have no idea, I dont know, but if you want I can send you an screenshot of the device manager [09:49] <alrighta> HappyFool, still, it doesn't find the package(flashplayer-mozilla) [09:49] <BiSK-8> hello [09:49] <kryps> kao: so, i go into the bios of my pc, and find the option to turn off usb? [09:49] <crimsun> Faco: paste the output from lspci -v onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl [09:50] <HappyFool> alrighta: did you edit /etc/apt/sources.list to add repositories? [09:50] <BiSK-8> what is the program that replaces itunes on ubuntu? [09:50] <nophix> rhythmbox or amarok [09:50] <synd> how do you unblock someone in gaim? [09:50] <Faco> ok ill try [09:50] <BiSK-8> can i get em through apt-get? [09:50] <HappyFool> alrighta: can you please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ ? [09:50] <nophix> yes [09:50] <BiSK-8> and which is better? [09:51] <kao> BiSK-8, maybe rhymbox [09:51] <nophix> amarok imho :) [09:51] <alrighta> HappyFool, I did that thru Synapatic. [09:51] <BiSK-8> ok [09:51] <BiSK-8> thanks [09:51] <hersson> holas [09:51] <HappyFool> alrighta: are you sure you added 'multiverse' ? [09:51] <HappyFool> alrighta: multiverse is not the same thing as universe [09:51] <Faco> sorry crimsun but what is paste.ubuntulinux.nl? [09:52] <crimsun> Faco: it's a web site we use for debugging [09:52] <synd> Faco: a URL to paste things [09:52] <synd> :P [09:52] <hersson> holas alguien de bolivia [09:52] <Faco> ok and where do I find it? [09:52] <synd> hersson: #ubuntu-es [09:52] <alrighta> HappyFool, I've added everything there. I've installed tons of apps and so far this has been the only problem. [09:53] <HappyFool> alrighta: ok, can you please put /etc/apt/sources.list up on the pastebin anyway? [09:53] <HappyFool> alrighta: you should be able to read that file with gedit [09:53] <kryps> what linux distro did anyone use before using ubuntu? [09:54] <EasterSunshine> mandrakelinux le 2005, it was much worse [09:54] <brk3> who cares [09:54] <brk3> mandrake :p [09:54] <arbir> Hello.... [09:54] <EasterSunshine> mandrake was my first distro, kubuntu my second [09:54] <Faco> crimsun: I doing it know, a second [09:54] <transgre1s> what's up peoples?! [09:55] <arbir> how can I rip my DVD's to Xvid ? is there a software for that ? [09:55] <transgre1s> arbir: dvd::rip and transcoder [09:55] <ompaul> transgre1s, lots of ubuntu boxes :) [09:55] <arbir> i did see http://www.thoggen.net/ <--- this chap uses theora [09:55] <Faco> crimsun: done [09:55] <transgre1s> ompaul: hehehe [09:55] <transgre1s> airport wifi [09:55] <transgre1s> oh yeah [09:55] <alrighta> HappyFool, now that I checked both with edit and Synaptic - I see I actually don't have multiuniverse. [09:56] <arbir> transgrels is there a website that you can tell me which can guide me? [09:56] <kryps> can i install linux on a amd 1.3ghz with 256mb ram, etc. ? [09:56] <alrighta> HappyFool, lol.. [09:56] <EasterSunshine> you mean multiverse? [09:56] <kryps> multiverse? [09:56] <alrighta> HappyFool - http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1027 [09:57] <alrighta> yup [09:57] <HappyFool> alrighta: ok, add multiverse with synaptic, and try again [09:57] <EasterSunshine> kryps: probably [09:57] <HappyFool> alrighta: you don't need 'apt-get update' if you're using synaptic -- it will handle that automatically [09:57] <EasterSunshine> but it depends on your processor architecture [09:57] <HappyFool> alrighta: after you add multiverse, it should download package info, and the package you want will be available [09:57] <EasterSunshine> if its intel pentium 1,2,3, or 4, it should work [09:58] <transgre1s> hey does anyone know if an mac (as in not the windows version) ipod will work with gtkpod? [09:58] <transgre1s> err a mac [09:58] <crimsun> Faco: url? [09:58] <kryps> EasterSunshine, someone said for me to load with no usb option.. did he mean goto bios, and find an option to turn off usb, so i can pass this usb stage where my installation (live cd) has halted.. ? [09:58] <EasterSunshine> i am running kubuntu on 450 mhz pentium 3, 128 ram [09:58] <Faco> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1026 [09:58] <cute_bettong> join ##apple [09:58] <transgre1s> EasterSunshine: how's it run? [09:58] <delire> transgre1s: yes [09:58] <transgre1s> cute_bettong: are you saying that to me/ [09:58] <Faco> crimsun: sorry Im kind of new in this [09:58] <Syco54645> transgre1s, there is a windows ipod? [09:58] <cute_bettong> yes [09:58] <transgre1s> Syco54645: yeah two different filesystems [09:58] <transgre1s> Syco54645: because windows doesn't support HFS [09:59] <Syco54645> transgre1s, ah i see... i never knew that [09:59] <arbir> transgre1s: can i make it an MKV format ? [09:59] <EasterSunshine> transgre1s: good enough for me. window resizes are like the only thing that annoys me cause the contents take a while to move [09:59] <arbir> transgre1s: also i need to have enternal subtitles.. will this support all this ? [09:59] <psurani> how can i get kde ? [09:59] <EasterSunshine> kryps: i'm not a linux guru so i can't really help you there, sry [09:59] <psurani> how can i get kde ? for ubuntu ? [09:59] <transgre1s> arbir: iuno... i don't use it... i pirate movies that are already encoded... much easier. [09:59] <Syco54645> psurani, ept-get install kde [09:59] <transgre1s> psurani: aptitude install kde [09:59] <psurani> ept or apt ? [10:00] <transgre1s> Syco54645: you beat me [10:00] <carrero> hi [10:00] <EasterSunshine> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, isn't it? [10:00] <arbir> you mean already ripped and set to Xvid by somebody ? @ transgre1s [10:00] <thoreauputic> actually for kde, do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [10:00] <WeirdAl> I'm trying to install libgtkmm-2.4, and I'm on some wild goose chase of dependencies. [10:00] <Syco54645> transgre1s, that is pretty bad considering i have never ran ubuntu or debian till 2 days ago... and i am on the live cd because i have no harddrive [10:00] <Syco54645> lol [10:00] <delire> psurani: or apt-get install kubuntu-desktop for an 'ubuntuised' KDE [10:00] <WeirdAl> Everything I try to install depends on something else which is available but "is not going to be installed". [10:00] <thoreauputic> EasterSunshine: right :) [10:00] <transgre1s> Syco54645: you have no hard drive? [10:00] <WeirdAl> But it won't tell me why it's not going to be installed. [10:01] <psurani> delire, how much size it is ? [10:01] <psurani> i have 40kbps connection [10:01] <WeirdAl> Why will it not install dependencies and how do I force it to. [10:01] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: your problem is your sources list [10:01] <delire> psurani: apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop. maybe there's information as to total size there (i doubt it) [10:01] <Syco54645> transgre1s, well i have 2 120 gig dump drives that are full of smashing pumpkins concerts, so i dare not format one of those. i just need to get some money so that i can get a new main drive [10:01] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: see below [10:01] <thoreauputic> !repos [10:01] <ubotu> [repos] at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be fount at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [10:02] <psurani> ok thnx ! [10:02] <transgre1s> Syco54645: haha yeah my boss just gave me a lot of spare drives for work... i gotta put them in my box [10:02] <transgre1s> my current is getting full of mp3s from a russian mp3 site [10:02] <Syco54645> transgre1s, feel free to mail me one [10:02] <EasterSunshine> i have 8 gigs total in my entire house. beat that [10:02] <psurani> Package: kubuntu-desktop [10:02] <psurani> Priority: optional [10:02] <psurani> Section: misc [10:02] <psurani> Installed-Size: 32 [10:02] <psurani> Maintainer: Andreas Mueller <amu@ubuntu.com> [10:02] <psurani> Architecture: i386 [10:02] <aru> heh [10:02] <transgre1s> EasterSunshine: almost 9 gigs total of mp3s... eh [10:03] <psurani> is it 32mb ?? [10:03] <transgre1s> oh getting kubuntu-desktop is probably a bad idea [10:03] <transgre1s> from ubuntu [10:03] <HappyFool> psurani: installing kubuntu-desktop will require a large download [10:03] <transgre1s> it worked badly for me [10:03] <Janeway> hi there [10:03] <transgre1s> best to go from kubuntu to ubuntu [10:03] <thoreauputic> psurani: it's just a metapackage [10:03] <psurani> 32 mb isnt that large ! [10:03] <EasterSunshine> i meant 8 gigs of hdd space [10:03] <HappyFool> psurani: probably more than 100MB [10:03] <Syco54645> i dont like kde, i feel that it is way too bloated [10:03] <psurani> oh damn [10:03] <delire> psurani: around 40mb i thought [10:03] <Syco54645> i used it for over 3 years [10:03] <transgre1s> i like kde, but i feel it looks too big [10:03] <thoreauputic> psurani: the dependencies make it over 100mb [10:03] <transgre1s> i like small things [10:03] <psurani> Package: kubuntu-desktop [10:03] <psurani> Priority: optional [10:03] <psurani> Section: misc [10:03] <psurani> Installed-Size: 32 [10:03] <psurani> Maintainer: Andreas Mueller <amu@ubuntu.com> [10:03] <psurani> Architecture: i386 [10:03] <Syco54645> now i switched to gnome about 6 months ago [10:03] <Syco54645> after running rox [10:03] <HappyFool> psurani: please don't paste here [10:03] <psurani> this one isnt enough ?? happyfool ? [10:04] <transgre1s> stop that psurani [10:04] <Janeway> do you mind an absolute newbie asking an install question? [10:04] <EasterSunshine> kde feels comprehensive and complete [10:04] <psurani> ok sorry [10:04] <psurani> yes kde is better [10:04] <thoreauputic> psurani: please read the /topic and stop spamming the channel [10:04] <aru> kde feels like windows [10:04] <HappyFool> psurani: as thoreauputic said, it's a meta-package. It only exists to depend on other packages [10:04] <transgre1s> not to me [10:04] <Syco54645> Janeway, nope, not at all [10:04] <transgre1s> of course i set it to have the bar at the top like mac [10:04] <psurani> i see [10:04] <transgre1s> which makes me happy [10:04] <WeirdAl> thoreauputic: same problem, even with that sources.list [10:04] <transgre1s> and i'd give money to have gnome do it [10:04] <WeirdAl> libgtkmm-2.4-dev: Depends: libgtk2.0-dev but it is not going to be installed [10:04] <HappyFool> psurani: try 'sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop' -- aptitude will tell you how much it's going to download [10:05] <aru> transgre1s: to do what? [10:05] <pusling> is it easy to change a minimal sarge install to ubuntu warty ? [10:05] <transgre1s> psurani: i wouldn't try grabbing kubuntu-desktop [10:05] <EasterSunshine> kde is a good heavyweight wm, icewm is for those of you that prefer lightweight simple ones [10:05] <transgre1s> it worked badly for me [10:05] <WeirdAl> libgtk2.0-dev depends another, which depends two others, and I'm getting annoyed searching for them all. [10:05] <transgre1s> aru: have the menu bar from windows at the top of the screen ala mac UI [10:05] <Janeway> I've gottten so far as to the point "set up users and passwords" - after enabling "shadow" I'm asked to enter a root-pw - however I've read so much about not setting one - how shall I continue? Leave it blank? [10:05] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: if you are getting those errors, either you have an incomplete list, are using 3rd party repos or haven't run an update/reload [10:05] <HappyFool> psurani: i get 142MB to download when I try that [10:05] <psurani> ahh [10:05] <psurani> too much [10:05] <HappyFool> Janeway: are you doing an expert or server install? [10:05] <Syco54645> Janeway, i would suggest setting one for security, but that is just me [10:06] <EasterSunshine> psurani: you can get kubuntu cds for free [10:06] <transgre1s> yeah in like 8 weeks heh [10:06] <EasterSunshine> oh wait...no you can't [10:06] <Janeway> expert mode, since I want to keep my win for the time being (as I said, newbie) [10:06] <psurani> from where ?? [10:06] <EasterSunshine> or can you? is it available with shipit yet? [10:06] <transgre1s> oh yeah that's right... they said no kubuntu cd's [10:06] <transgre1s> nope [10:06] <thoreauputic> Janeway: you should only be asked for a root password if you do the "expert" install [10:06] <psurani> ahh [10:06] <HappyFool> Janeway: i may be wrong, but i think the normal install will let you keep other installed operating systems [10:06] <transgre1s> anyway... ima bolt [10:06] <Janeway> you think so? [10:06] <EasterSunshine> maybe download kubuntu at school or work or something [10:06] <WeirdAl> thor: did update and dist-upgrade and same error. [10:07] <psurani> hey, whoever is talking to me, i see message in red, hows that ? [10:07] <equex> HappyFool: ubuntu will keep the other oses, i tried [10:07] <transgre1s> just thought i'd get on and say how i was at the airport soon to go to the beach [10:07] <psurani> rrr [10:07] <WeirdAl> Using the sources.list in paste.ubuntu [10:07] <transgre1s> buh bye now [10:07] <equex> it will even auto create menys for your kernels [10:07] <Janeway> I thought it would erase the entire harddrive and kill my previous partitions [10:07] <equex> grub rocks [10:07] <EasterSunshine> psurani: cause we include your name in the msg [10:07] <thoreauputic> Janeway: if you are new, don't use "expert" - and Ubuntu will set up dual boot with windows [10:07] <psurani> ahh i see [10:07] <HappyFool> equex: ok, thanks for the confirmation [10:07] <chiisai_> I'm thinking about switching to the *-smp kernel, as I have a Pentium 4 HT processor. I've heard that this makes stuff run smoother if you're multitasking, but I also heard that some things runs slower. Does somebody know anything about this? A before and after comparison or something? [10:07] <psurani> EasterSunshine, , can u see it in red ? [10:07] <EasterSunshine> yes [10:07] <psurani> cool chat ! [10:07] <Janeway> I see - so what do I do now - cancel the installation and start from scratch? [10:07] <ompaul> pusling, it failed for me but http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge ymmv [10:08] <EasterSunshine> ... [10:08] <equex> HappyFool: the other way is probably different :D [10:08] <crimsun> Faco: sec [10:08] <HappyFool> Janeway: that's what i'd do [10:08] <psurani> are u people always here in ubuntu chat room to other people ? will i always get help from here ? [10:08] <ompaul> pusling, then I did it wrong :) [10:08] <Faco> ok [10:08] <AndieB> Hi all! [10:08] <thoreauputic> Janeway: I would if I were you - else you will have problems [10:08] <Faco> crimsun: ok [10:08] <EasterSunshine> psurani: i came in here asking for help, and i soon found myself helping others or at least trying to [10:08] <HappyFool> psurani: usually; it obviously depends if we know the answer [10:08] <ompaul> psurani, lots of people are here lots of the time [10:08] <Janeway> ok, thanks a million :) [10:08] <delire> psurani: this is a good place to come for human to human help [10:08] <psurani> wow, cool [10:08] <thoreauputic> psurani: there are people here 24/7 [10:09] <psurani> delire, ,yeah ofcourse, maybe i someday be able to help someone here ! [10:09] <AndieB> Question: How do I add a program in the Toolbar, that is not available in the Program menu? I've installed jEdit, but must everytime choose Run a program... [10:09] <crashd> AndieB: right click, locate the program [10:09] <sedat> hi all [10:09] <crashd> right click > add [10:09] <crashd> sorry [10:09] <delire> psurani: that's the idea ;) [10:09] <psurani> delire, , yeah ! [10:09] <crimsun> Faco: ok, you have an ISA sound card. I can't guess which one because there are quite a few. Please search Google and find what sound chipset your motherboard has. [10:09] <equex> this channel is so huge it should really be split up into sections like #ubuntu-gnome, #ubuntu-ATI etc :) [10:09] <thoreauputic> Janeway: just make sure you don't allow the installer to wipe your disc - you will be asked what you want [10:10] <psurani> ok bbl ! [10:10] <cute_betton1> that really really sucked [10:10] <HappyFool> #ubuntu-desktop-and-other-religious-wars [10:10] <cute_betton1> stupid breaker [10:10] <equex> hehe [10:10] <delire> psurani: ciao! [10:10] <thoreauputic> equex: both #gentoo and #debian are much bigger [10:10] <psurani> bye delire [10:10] <EasterSunshine> equex: agreed. as someone once said "it looks like tetris level 50 in here" [10:10] <equex> hehehe EasterSunshine [10:10] <Janeway> ok - I'll make sure of that [10:10] <cute_betton1> run 2 computers and the microwave the sterio and an air conditioner and poof >.< [10:10] <HappyFool> #python enforced a numerical split, sort of. not sure if they still do [10:10] <AndieB> crashd: Hmmm... [10:10] <equex> #debian may be larger, but it is quieter [10:11] <equex> i dont wander into #gentoo [10:11] <delire> #debian has far more lurkers. this channel often looks busier even though it's 2/3 the size of #debian. [10:11] <EasterSunshine> well then agian, if we split the channels, they will all be full of idlers, like #kubuntu [10:11] <thoreauputic> equex: you obviously haven't spent much time in #debian ;) [10:11] <AndieB> crashd: Well, I don't get an opportunity to choose what program I want to add... [10:11] <Slipaway172> how do i register a irc room to my nick? [10:11] <EasterSunshine> i use kubuntu, but its too idle, so i came here [10:11] <delire> i think this channel works well [10:11] <Faco> crimsun: just a question what do I have to write in google to find that information? I don't know sorry [10:11] <delire> very well in fact. [10:11] <Slipaway172> yes [10:12] <equex> thore: its not level 50, its level 40 :) [10:12] <BiSK-8> 'lo [10:12] <alrighta> HappyFool, sorry for the long wait. I had to handle something - well, I don't find any multiverse in my Synaptic, only universe. [10:12] <BiSK-8> how do i install the pdf plugin 4 firefox? [10:12] <thoreauputic> equex: if you measure by need for flame-proof underwear, on the other hand... *g* [10:12] <HappyFool> alrighta: hmm [10:12] <pusling> ompaul: I just changed my sources.list - and until now - the only package needed special treatment was perl-base [10:12] <HappyFool> alrighta: how do you add repositories? [10:13] <equex> heh [10:13] <HappyFool> alrighta: Settings -> Repositories -> Add ? [10:13] <HappyFool> alrighta: are you running ubuntu 5.04 (i.e., "the hoary hedgehog") [10:13] <crimsun> Faco: you need to search for your computer and locate the sound card used [10:13] <ompaul> pusling, great [10:13] <pusling> ompaul: but it is a quite minimal system [10:13] <BiSK-8> how do i install the pdf plugin 4 firefox? [10:13] <equex> thore: for some reason xchat will not autocomplete you name :/ [10:13] <thoreauputic> BiSK-8: no need to repeat [10:14] <El_Presidente> hi there :) [10:14] <pusling> ompaul: only what debootstrap gives me [10:14] <ompaul> pusling, that is small :) [10:14] <BiSK-8> sry [10:14] <pusling> ompaul: yeah - but that is almost what I need (and ssh, apache2, phpmyadmin, mysql and what they depend on ;) [10:14] <alrighta> HappyFool, no.. until now I only used the "Show disabled software sources" option and then I checked what wasn't unchecked. I thought it contained both universe and multiverse [10:14] <EasterSunshine> hey does ubuntu outperform other distros running only as a server, like without x, or kde, or gnome, or anything? [10:15] <HappyFool> alrighta: ok, uncheck that box [10:15] <Faco> crimsun: ok I got it, I'll do it now [10:15] <ompaul> pusling, I would have build a ubuntu server and gone native from the off, unless you have 'funny' hardware [10:15] <EasterSunshine> just apache and vssftpd and friends, for example? [10:15] <pusling> ompaul: linux vserver [10:15] <ompaul> ahhhh ha [10:15] <Pega> Hmm. About this Ubuntu's basic text editor... How do I make it so, that it won't make a new line every time the text raches right side of the window? I want it to continue to wirte as long lines as I want. [10:15] <BiSK-8> thoreauputic: u tell me not 2 reapeat but i dont get answers [10:15] <pusling> ompaul: they are easily build with debootstrap [10:15] <thoreauputic> EasterSunshine: it's on a par - obviously it is almost the same as debian so... [10:15] <ompaul> pusling, limits one alright [10:15] <HappyFool> alrighta: then, go back to the 'Repositories' screen, and click 'Add' [10:16] <thoreauputic> BiSK-8: that's par for the course - have a bit of patience [10:16] <HappyFool> alrighta: you should see a new window which will let you add multiverse [10:16] <sedat> I have some easy question to ask [10:16] <sedat> who can help me [10:16] <thoreauputic> BiSK-8: if someone knows, they will help you [10:16] <pusling> ompaul: yeah - and I just need an environment with mysql 4.0.20 ;) [10:16] <EasterSunshine> just ask sedat [10:16] <sedat> okey [10:16] <sedat> can I change the files in ntfs from ubuntu [10:17] <flodine> anyone load ion3 [10:17] <Fizile> anyone use a playstation emulator here? [10:17] <Xyc1> I am trying to compile a simple gwifi applet and I get this error: configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated by gnome-libs install, even though gnome-libs-data is installed. Any hints? [10:17] <delire> flodine: i did for a while [10:17] <pusling> sedat: if you don't change file size - and only edit existing files, it might work [10:17] <EasterSunshine> sedat: i read that there is a high chance you will damage the filesystem [10:17] <AndieB> hmmm.... [10:17] <alrighta> HappyFool, okay, done that. I could use the apt-get answell, right? [10:17] <thoreauputic> BiSK-8: I once got an answer in #fluxbox after waiting over an hour - here it's usually quicker ;) [10:17] <flodine> delire what you running now [10:17] <HappyFool> alrighta: after you've added multiverse, yes [10:17] <sedat> actually [10:17] <EasterSunshine> sedat: the current ntfs driver only assures safety in reading, not writing [10:17] <delire> flodine: i moved to a better implementation of the No-WIMP concept. http://wmi.modprobe.de [10:17] <BiSK-8> :D [10:17] <sedat> can I create a dr in ntfs [10:17] <delire> flodine: they also have better t-shirts [10:18] <sedat> directory [10:18] <HappyFool> alrighta: you cannot change repositories with apt-get; at that level (the command-line) you need to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file [10:18] <Tomcat__> sedat: Not safely. [10:18] <thoreauputic> BiSK-8: probably a lot of people don't use a pdf plugin (I don't, for one) [10:18] <Faco> Crimsun: Model:Crystal Semiconductor Chip set:CS4236 [10:18] <sedat> okey [10:18] <flodine> delire you on that now [10:18] <thoreauputic> BiSK-8: any reason for not simply opening a pdf in say, xpdf ? [10:19] <AndieB> What must I do, when I've installed Java2 SDK and try to start the JavaControlPanel via the Program Menu, and I get the following error message: "Failed to run childprocess "/usr/bin/JavaPluginControlPanel" (the file or catalogue does not exist). [10:19] <BiSK-8> caz it's a web page [10:19] <Faco> crimsun: is that the information you need? [10:19] <delire> flodine: yes, i love it. [10:19] <AndieB> What do I type at the "prompt" in a Terminal window so search for a file through the hole File System... [10:19] <thoreauputic> BiSK-8: a pdf is a pdf - what do you mean? [10:19] <flodine> delire does it have debian menu in it [10:19] <delire> flodine: i work alot in the terminal. i am most productive with this environment. [10:19] <alrighta> HappyFool, I've checked all of the sources. right? [10:20] <HappyFool> alrighta: that should work [10:20] <jyank> Hello, could anyone try to help me with an issue i'm having with gnome? [10:20] <flodine> yeababy [10:20] <HappyFool> alrighta: note that there's a little drop-down box at the top of that window [10:20] <HappyFool> alrighta: it lets you choose 'updates', 'security-updates' and 'ubuntu' [10:20] <delire> flodine: no, it has a CTRL-ALT-P menu that appears 'inside' the panel. you can scroll or text complete on any application in your path. [10:20] <HappyFool> alrighta: you may wish to enable all of those [10:20] <Seveas> AndieB, slocate [10:20] <HappyFool> alrighta: anyway, it ought to work now [10:20] <Howdy125> bisk-8 in firefox click tools then extentions .. then click get more extentions and do a search for pdf .. [10:21] <flodine> delire whats the command to install [10:21] <jkinz> MENICK [10:21] <transgre1s> okay i'm back [10:21] <HappyFool> alrighta: go back to the repositories window -- you should see that the list it shows is updated. Click OK and new package info should be added [10:21] <delire> flodine: without ranting, it's better than any application menu i've used in any other desktop environment. [10:21] <transgre1s> got through security with like my keys in my pocket, my belt, and my big metal ear plugs [10:21] <sedat> is there a shortcut for to go desktop [10:21] <transgre1s> weird [10:21] <flodine> delire whats the command to install [10:21] <Seveas> sedat, the little icon in the bottom left [10:21] <BiSK-8> i got a problem [10:21] <HappyFool> sedat: maybe Ctl-Alt-d (on normal ubuntu) [10:21] <delire> flodine: well see this page: http://wmi.modprobe.de/index.php/WMII/Download [10:21] <Xyc1> I get configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated by gnome-libs install when I try to ./configure gwireless applet. What am I doing wrong? [10:21] <Seveas> sedat, and you can set a keyboard shortcut yourself too :) [10:22] <HappyFool> as i discovered when I tried to use that in emacs [10:22] <alrighta> HappyFool, yes, but now I've got to do the same with "updates" and "ubuntu". ;) [10:22] <sedat> working thanks [10:22] <delire> flodine: add that repository to your repo list. [10:22] <flodine> delire no apt get [10:22] <HappyFool> alrighta: yes, i recommend you do that [10:22] <flodine> o [10:22] <delire> flodine: what are you using? [10:22] <HappyFool> alrighta: yeah, unfortunately you have to do them separately [10:22] <BiSK-8> firefox>extentions: error [10:22] <Seveas> BiSK-8, upgrade to the latest firefox in hoary-security [10:22] <Fizile> any one here use a PSX emulator on ubuntu? [10:22] <Octane> how do i force install of a packge w/ dpkg ignoring dependencies?? [10:22] <jyank> Hello, could anyone try to help me with an issue i'm having with gnome? [10:22] <HappyFool> synaptic needs an 'add everything' button [10:22] <delire> flodine: 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wmii' once those repositories are in place. [10:23] <BiSK-8> how [10:23] <BiSK-8> ? [10:23] <Seveas> Octane, --force-ignore-depends oslt [10:23] <Octane> its really important :) [10:23] <Seveas> read the dpkg manpage :) [10:23] <Howdy125> Bisk-8 .. you get an error when you click on extentions ?? [10:23] <BiSK-8> yep [10:23] <Octane> Seveas: thanks i did but couldnt find it [10:23] <alrighta> HappyFool.. there is a problem, I checked them all at first, and now when I look at all of this choices, I don't see even one that has all the sources checked. [10:23] <HappyFool> alrighta: oh [10:23] <HappyFool> alrighta: click ok between each [10:23] <HappyFool> alrighta: you need to add each separately [10:23] <thoreauputic> BiSK-8: what version of firefox? Check help >> about (should be 1.0.6) [10:24] <Howdy125> Bisk-8 .. I can't help with that error .. it should be working .. sorry .. [10:24] <HappyFool> alrighta: sorry, it's getting late, i'm probably not making much sense. You need to add each of 'ubuntu', 'updates' and 'security-updates' separarately [10:24] <BiSK-8> it's 1.0.6 [10:24] <thoreauputic> BiSK-8: should work then - what's the error? [10:24] <Seveas> Octane, dpkg --ignore-depends=package1 --ignore-depends=package2 etc... [10:25] <delire> BiSK-8: make sure you have permissions to write to ~/.firefox or ~/.mozilla/firefox [10:25] <sedat> when I connect a usb harddisk to computer I see all partitons. Then I shut one of partition. How can I see it again [10:25] <Seveas> Octane, dpkg --ignore-depends=package1,package2 ,package3 <-- this works better [10:25] <alrighta> HappyFool, but I've done that process before, and I don't see any section with all of the sources marked. [10:25] <alrighta> HappyFool, perhaps, it doesn't update those 3 sections at first? [10:25] <flodine> delire i get error when i add that to the repos [10:25] <delire> flodine: ok [10:25] <BiSK-8> if u ppl wanna see the error i'll send u a screen shot [10:25] <HappyFool> alrighta: do this. tick all the boxes, and click OK [10:25] <delire> flodine: hah, i do to [10:25] <BiSK-8> who wants it? [10:26] <HappyFool> alrighta: then, click 'Add' again, choose a different option (say 'security'), tick all the boxes and click OK [10:26] <delire> flodine: must be down. have you compiled software on Linux before? [10:26] <HappyFool> alrighta: do you understand? [10:26] <thoreauputic> BiSK-8: put the error on a pastebin - see /topic [10:26] <alrighta> HappyFool, ta. I do and I did, from the beginning. :) alright [10:26] <Faco> crimsun: do you need something else? [10:26] <BiSK-8> i cant, wint let me copy [10:26] <flodine> delire add the debian one right [10:26] <BiSK-8> wont* [10:26] <sedat> is there a tool for partitioning in ubuntu [10:26] <BiSK-8> i'll put it on my site [10:27] <thoreauputic> sedat: yes [10:27] <sedat> which ? [10:27] <thoreauputic> sedat: fdisk, cfdisk [10:27] <HappyFool> alrighta: i hope it's working. i'm keen to go to sleep ;) [10:27] <delire> flodine: yes, it's down however. you may want it to consider compiling it. grab a snapshot and see how you go. [10:27] <EasterSunshine> sedat: btw, i don't think those are ubuntu specific. if you ever swtich to any other distro, they should still be there [10:28] <guardianx> u?how do i increase my refresh rate in unbunto [10:28] <alrighta> HappyFool, well, don't wait for me.. atm it's updating the packages [10:28] <HappyFool> alrighta: great, so it is working [10:28] <Janeway> is this channel always full of people (just curious) [10:28] <BiSK-8> http://bisk8.altervista.org/immagini/blablabla.png [10:28] <HappyFool> ok, good night [10:28] <thoreauputic> Janeway: yes [10:28] <alrighta> HappyFool, still there? ;[ [10:28] <thoreauputic> Janeway: not always this busy though :) [10:28] <delire> Janeway: but close ;) [10:28] <guardianx> how do i increase my refresh rate in unbuntu ? [10:28] <EasterSunshine> its cause its sunday in the united states [10:28] <alrighta> ops :/ [10:29] <Seveas> 534 is quite a high number of people [10:29] <Janeway> thoreauputic: good to hear :) guess I'll need some more help in the next days *s* [10:29] <thoreauputic> guardianx: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [10:29] <Seveas> usually 480-510 people around [10:29] <thoreauputic> Janeway: that's what we're here for :) [10:29] <EasterSunshine> out of curiosty, anyone here speak bemba? [10:30] <DonL> no [10:30] <Janeway> phew ... seems to have worked so far [10:30] <jharrison> any ideas why sound does not work? [10:30] <Pega> Hmm. About this Ubuntu's basic text editor... How do I make it so, that it won't make a new line every time the text raches right side of the window? I want it to continue to wirte as long lines as I want. [10:30] <jharrison> I get errors about no volume control elements/device exists [10:30] <jharrison> however sound works fine with the ubuntu live cd [10:31] <thoreauputic> Pega: the word wrap option - I forget which menu entry it's under but you can change it [10:31] <delire> Janeway: if there was ever a social contract in this channel it's "pass on what you learn".. but it's very unconditional ;) [10:31] <BiSK-8> thoreauputic, delire, Howdy125 --->http://bisk8.altervista.org/immagini/blablabla.png [10:31] <Janeway> and it did ask me about my partitions (just hope I set it correctly - at least it recognized xp) [10:31] <DonL> Anybody seen Apple's new Mighty Mouse, and if so do you know if it will work with Linux? [10:32] <Pega> ty, thoreauputic [10:32] <thoreauputic> Janeway: sounds promising :) [10:32] <eazel7> hi ppl [10:32] <delire> BiSK-8: does this happen with other extensions? [10:32] <Janeway> delire: glad to hear that [10:32] <guardianx> i have a compaq sr1010z with build in vid card. how do i install the driver for it ?? the low refresh rate is killing my eye [10:33] <Janeway> thoreauputic: well, I won't count my chickens before they've hatched ... *ggg* [10:33] <BiSK-8> delire: yes [10:33] <thoreauputic> Janeway: you should be fine as long as you didn't let it take over the whole disc [10:34] <Janeway> thoreauputic: the whole disc? [10:34] <delire> DonL: i don't understand that mouse, but perhaps someone else does long enough to write a driver. Apple aren't very good with hardware interoperability. [10:34] <thoreauputic> Janeway: you have one hard disc or more? [10:34] <jharrison> ive modprobed the sound driver snd_emu10k1 which as far as I know is for the audigy 2 get there seems to be no sound devices [10:34] <jharrison> also the user is in the audio group [10:34] <DonL> delire, I see. Looks cool though [10:34] <delire> DonL: i doubt they will release the driver source code for that mouse in a hurry. [10:34] <DonL> Apparently works with XP [10:34] <delire> DonL: hmm [10:35] <Janeway> thoreauputic: I've got the package of two discs - one install, one live - I used the install one [10:35] <|angasul|> is it possible to use a 2.6.4 kernel or older? newer kernels don't seem to get along with a saitek x45 joystick [10:35] <Janeway> thoreauputic: and tried to follow instructions for a change *g* [10:35] <thoreauputic> Janeway: ah, misunderstanding: I meant your *computer's* hard disk [10:35] <BiSK-8> delire: yes [10:35] <User666> http://www.damochka.org/download-video.php?videos=42823 [10:35] <User666> http://www.damochka.org/download-video.php?videos=42823 [10:35] <BiSK-8> even with other extentions [10:35] <guardianx> i have a compaq sr1010z with build in vid card. how do i install the driver for it ?? the low refresh rate is killing my eye.. i think the build in card is made by sis [10:36] <thoreauputic> Janeway: if you followed instructions you should be fine [10:36] <Janeway> thoreauputic: oops ... no, definitely not [10:36] <Xyc0> ah much better [10:36] <Xyc0> stupid ghosts [10:37] <delire> BiSK-8: i don't know what the problem is there. i would consider backup ~/.firefox (cp -r ~/.firefox ~/yourbackups/firefox) and 'apt-get install --reinstall mozilla-firefox' [10:37] <thoreauputic> |angasul|: ubuntu kernels are patched for ubuntu, so using a non ubuntu ernel isn't likely to work well [10:37] <n8lewis> is there a way to have both kde and the gnome installed and switch between em [10:37] <thoreauputic> *kernel [10:37] <Fizile> the evil gnome :o [10:37] <crispynix-v6> n8lewis: yes; apt-get install the-other-desktop [10:37] <thoreauputic> n8lewis: yes - I do that [10:37] <Janeway> thoreauputic: guess my English is getting a bit weak this time of the day *sigh* [10:37] <Xyc0> I am trying to compile gwireless_applet and i get this "configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated by gnome-libs install" even though gnome-libs-data is installed. Any one have an Idea for me? [10:38] <thoreauputic> Janeway: seems OK to me :) [10:38] <crispynix-v6> n8lewis: e.g. apt-get install kubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop-settings [10:38] <n8lewis> sweet just wanted to know so I won't lose any thing if I mess up [10:38] <jharrison> so no one knows anything about sound problems? [10:38] <thoreauputic> Janeway: what's your usual language? [10:39] <Janeway> thoreauputic: German [10:39] <thoreauputic> jharrison: your question was so general as to be unanswerablr [10:39] <guardianx> i have a compaq sr1010z with build in vid card. how do i install the driver for it ?? the low refresh rate is killing my eye.. i think the build in card is made by sis [10:39] <thoreauputic> *unanswerable [10:39] <delire> jharrison: speak to crimsum if you get the chance [10:39] <BiSK-8> ok [10:39] <tommi^> Wow. There's whole lot of attempts to break in with ssh, I'm really amazed. I changed my ssh port to 2222 which hopefully helps for a while but I sometimes do need to use it from 22 port. How to easilly and automatically block obvious break in attemps? [10:39] <BiSK-8> i reinstalled it and it works [10:39] <delire> jharrison: if you have specific questions [10:39] <thoreauputic> Janeway: well, your english seems pretty good :) [10:39] <delire> BiSK-8: great! [10:39] <BiSK-8> thanks ppl [10:40] <Janeway> thoreauputic: should be, since I'm teaching it *g* [10:40] <delire> tommi^: it is very disturbing. are you running netstat? [10:40] <Xyc0> he he [10:40] <thoreauputic> Janeway: ah, indeed ! [10:40] <jharrison> all I know is when I try to start the volume control it pops up and tells me "no volume control elements and/or devices found." [10:40] <Howdy125> BiSK-8 :-) [10:40] <jharrison> if that is general well sorry [10:40] <bimberi> Xyc0: You need to install libgnome-dev [10:40] <crimsun> tommi^: there are a variety of ways. I recommend at least configuring /etc/hosts.{deny,allow} [10:40] <delire> tommi^: i like to use ngrep in a shell script with sox to build alarms. [10:40] <delire> tommi^: well 'play' from sox [10:40] <bluefoxicy> . . . [10:40] <bluefoxicy> WHAAAAAAAAAAT?! [10:41] <Faco> jharrison: I got the same problem [10:41] <jharrison> debian has no problem with sound and ubuntu live cd does not so why does the install [10:41] <bluefoxicy> there's been no new packages in breezy since 12 hours ago!!!!!? [10:41] <thoreauputic> Janeway: I can assure you there are plenty of people in this channel whose mother tongue is english but who are far less articulate than you ;-) [10:41] <jharrison> and NO ONE knows how to fix it? [10:41] <crimsun> jharrison: lspci -v |grep udio [10:41] <tommi^> delire, too complicated for me, i guess. [10:41] <Xyc0> bimberi: Thanks, I could have sworn that was installed with build-essentials [10:41] <Janeway> thoreauputic: oh my - I certainly wasn't fishing for compliments [10:41] <glick> jharrison, whats the problem? [10:41] <tommi^> crimsun, just add offending ip's to hosts.deny? [10:41] <crimsun> jharrison: stop making inane, unfounded comments. Just because we don't speak up immediately implies some of us are actually busy. [10:42] <JoshRA> .38 [10:42] <thoreauputic> Janeway: heheh - I know: which makes the compliment more genuine :) [10:42] <delire> tommi^: there are good GUI intrusion detection softwares out there. [10:42] <jharrison> crimsun: Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs: Unknown device 0008 [10:42] <flodine> delire you out there [10:42] <Janeway> thoreauputic: *BG* [10:42] <delire> flodine: sure [10:42] <tommi^> delire, can you name one? The ssh runs on a box without x btw. [10:43] <flodine> delire says i need libc6 2.3.2.dsl-21 [10:43] <delire> tommi^: i'd check out snort [10:43] <Faco> crimsun: I sent you some information, did you read it? [10:43] <crimsun> jharrison: you need a newer alsa-driver. [10:43] <delire> flodine: 'dpkg -l | grep libc' [10:43] <tommi^> delire, right. [10:43] <crimsun> Faco: you did? [10:43] <crimsun> !tell jharrison about alsa-source [10:43] <Faco> yes [10:43] <jharrison> crimsun: so compile a new kernel then? [10:44] <Faco> crimsun: a second [10:44] <crimsun> jharrison: read the instructions I just had sent to you. [10:44] <jharrison> crimsun: ok give me a minute im reading... [10:44] <delire> tommi^: if it's a public mission-critical machine on an external IP then intrusion detection is a must. [10:44] <Faco> crimsun: Model Crystal Semiconductor Chip set CS4236 [10:44] <Janeway> guess I'll call it a day once everything is unpacked and generated [10:44] <flodine> delire what do i do with that [10:44] <tommi^> delire, does snort have a gui? It's just my home server. [10:45] <crimsun> Faco: sudo modprobe snd_cs4236 [10:45] <delire> flodine: i'd like to know what version of libc6 you're running, mostly the name as i gues it's 2.3.2 [10:45] <flodine> delire i have the old libc [10:45] <Faco> crimsun: ok [10:45] <delire> tommi^: many use the snort module with webmin [10:46] <flodine> delire i have the old libc 20 [10:46] <delire> flodine: hah ok [10:46] <crimsun> flodine: you should not be messing with -21, which presumably is from an external repo (debian-marillat?). [10:46] <crimsun> (the dependency being from a package in an ext repo) [10:46] <delire> flodine: well then yeah, you'll need to upgrade your whole system libc6 is the most serious upgrade, it will take up a ton of other stuff up with it. [10:47] <delire> flodine: in other words, it's too serious just for a new window manager. [10:47] <delire> crimsun: he's looking into wmi.modprobe.de, a window manager. [10:47] <oggah> anyone tried EDE (window manager) [10:47] <oggah> is it good? [10:47] <flodine> delire what did you do [10:47] <delire> flodine: i compiled it. [10:48] <gpd> !winex [10:48] <crimsun> delire: Then walk him through grabbing the deb-src and compiling it on his own machine. [10:48] <ubotu> gpd: I give up, what is it? [10:48] <_silvertear> oggah: depends. a good windows managr is in the eye of the beholder. ttry it out yourself to dcide if its good [10:48] <delire> crimsun: it was a suggestion i made earlier that wasn't taken with interest. [10:48] <Faco> crimsun: it didn't work [10:48] <delire> crimsun: i offered. [10:48] <Quest-Master> !cedega [10:48] <ubotu> hmm... cedega is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega [10:48] <Quest-Master> gpd: ^ [10:48] <crimsun> Faco: is pnp enabled on your system in the bios? [10:49] <cute_bettong> O_o oh o_o [10:49] <gpd> Quest-Master: ya, was looking at that but wondered about winex [10:49] <Quest-Master> ah [10:49] <cyberix> Is there xmodmap anywhere in Breezy? [10:49] <Leeon> Hi. I am trying to get my graphics card acceleration (conserning an ati radeon 9800 pro -card) working. I have followed this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25723 (and also the linked guide to ATI-cards). Everything seems to have gone fine, but my fglrxinfo prints "OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org". Does anyone have any tips? [10:49] <cyberix> Or is there some other tool to manipulate keymap? [10:49] <Bramme> firefox is acting weird lately :s [10:49] <Bramme> link don't work [10:50] <Bramme> etc [10:50] <delire> flodine: as i say, compiling this software is relatively painless [10:50] <Bramme> version 1.0.6 [10:50] <flodine> delire is wmi 10-1 diffrent then wmii [10:50] <Faco> crimsun: I'm gonna see, do I have to reboot right? there is no other way? [10:50] <sun> oggah, EDE looks too much like windoze for my taste :( [10:50] <delire> flodine: yes, that is an old but stable release [10:50] <crimsun> Faco: correct [10:50] <oggah> sun, ok. but is it lightweight? [10:50] <crimsun> Faco: try this first: sudo modprobe snd_cs4236 isapnp=0 [10:50] <oggah> smaller, faster, snappier than fluxbox? =) [10:51] <thoreauputic> oggah: highly unlikely [10:51] <thoreauputic> oggah: since flux is one of the lihtest WMs around [10:51] <thoreauputic> *lightest [10:52] <oggah> yep. [10:52] <oggah> ok. [10:52] <sun> oggah, i recommend WMI: http://wmi.modprobe.de [10:52] <delire> sun: :) isn't it fantastic [10:52] <topyli> twm is pretty light :) [10:52] <sun> delire, yep i love it ;) [10:52] <oggah> wmi. cool =) [10:53] <Faco> crimsun: no nothing yet, no sound but at least the volume manager is working now [10:53] <delire> sun: i was with openbox for a couple of years, but this is a whole new productivity upgrade. [10:53] <thoreauputic> topyli: heh - twm is light indeed - hope you like the dirty green decor ;) [10:53] <crimsun> Faco: did the modprobe command just give you a prompt back? [10:53] <delire> thoreauputic: quite the salesman there thoreauputic ;) [10:53] <Quest-Master> EDE looks like shit, IMO :( [10:53] <efriedman> the ubuntu live cd doesn't recognize my network card; could someone help me? [10:53] <linukso> the only "wm" for true lightness is screen :) [10:53] <topyli> thoreauputic: i like gnome a bit more :) [10:54] <thoreauputic> delire: I'm a bit of a fluxbox bigot ;-) [10:54] <Faco> crimsun: no prompt back [10:54] <delire> linukso: point taken [10:54] <oggah> whats the name of next generation window server for linux? [10:54] <sun> delire, indeed. i was using WMI until WMII 2 was released. i love the grid layout [10:54] <tommi^> delire, snort webmin gui isn't what I'd expect from a gui. Seems more like just direct frontend to configuration files. [10:54] <delire> thoreauputic: with some validity to. fluxbox is one of the good ones. [10:54] <thoreauputic> delire: indeed [10:55] <delire> tommi^: it is. 'apt-cache search intrusion detection' there maybe something else to your taste [10:55] <linukso> wmi is hard to use with multiwindow apps like gimp [10:55] <delire> linukso: wmii-2 isn't [10:55] <topyli> E! [10:55] <Faco> crimsun: so do I check the pnp thing on the bios now? [10:55] <tommi^> delire, such complex system like ids does of course need some reading of documentation. I'll look for something else. thanks [10:55] <delire> linukso: i do alot of work in gimp on wmii-2, although i do think it needs an 'always on top' method. [10:55] <linukso> delire: not? Has anthing changed recently? I tried it a while ago? [10:56] <delire> tommi^: sure, it is a big topic. [10:56] <paccer> because of problems with samba (config problem) i removed samba with apt-get remove --purge samba, then i deleted /etc/samba because i thought apt-get install samba would get it back.. but if i do a apt-get install samba, samba wont run because /etc/samba is missing [10:56] <paccer> how come apt-get samba doesnt create /etc/samba? [10:56] <delire> linukso: wmii-2 is around a month old IIRC [10:56] <thoreauputic> paccer: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure samba [10:56] <_silvertear> how long until a disconnected nick gets killed? [10:56] <delire> paccer: i agree, that is silly. reconfigure [10:57] <paccer> i tried reconfiguring - doesnt work [10:57] <guardianx> ah fuck this..... i'm going back to the dark side. i cant take linux no moreeeeeeeeeee [10:57] <paccer> then i get this: [10:57] <linukso> delire: gotta try it :) [10:57] <thoreauputic> paccer: it probably sees your deletion as editing, and respects your judgment ;) [10:57] <DVSoftware> guardianx, why god damnit? [10:57] <delire> guardianx: ok, all the best in your travels [10:57] <guardianx> i'm sorry my to all of my linux camper but i'm returning to the dark side [10:57] <paccer> thenostradamus: /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba.postinst: line 149: /etc/samba/smbpasswd: No such file or directory [10:57] <bimberi> paccer: there are other samba related packages - such as smbclient [10:57] <paccer> when i do a dpkg-reconfigure [10:57] <thoreauputic> guardianx: you said that a few hours ago - cold feet? [10:57] <thoreauputic> *g* [10:57] <guardianx> but i'm proud to say i'm a linux user for 2 days and 3 hrs [10:57] <delire> thoreauputic: ;) [10:57] <paccer> bimberi: tried reinstalling them too - without luck [10:58] <linukso> delire: do you use cairo support, or did you compile it with xlib? [10:58] <gpd> /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a <-- winecvs is complaining about this? [10:58] <DVSoftware> guardianx, why are you going back? [10:58] <guardianx> nah i tried to stay with linux but there is jus too much shit [10:58] <DVSoftware> hm... [10:58] <DVSoftware> i don't think so [10:58] <delire> linukso: xlib.. though i'm considering recompiling w/cairo. it does look interesting. [10:58] <guardianx> i couldnt get the dam tv-out to work right [10:58] <DVSoftware> windows has too much shit [10:58] <DVSoftware> unwanted shit [10:58] <crimsun> Faco: it depends on your bios. [10:59] <linukso> delire: had problems building it with cairo a while ago, but I guess things are moving forward. [10:59] <DVSoftware> like malware, spyware, and other *ware [10:59] <topyli> making audio cds from oggs takes forever [10:59] <crimsun> Faco: usually it's in the bios options. [10:59] <bimberi> paccer: k - just checked on packages.ubuntu.com and smbclient doesn't put anything there anyway [10:59] <delire> linukso: strangely popular for such a relatively challenging window management paradigm [10:59] <Faco> crimsun: so I will do it now, I have to enable the pnp, right? [10:59] <guardianx> theoreaputic- i tried to stay with linux but the stupid tv-out thing got to me...... i'm returning my entertainment system to the windows. the family is complaning [10:59] <glick> why didnt ubuntu join the debian common core alliance? [11:00] <delire> linukso: everyone that tries is does have to learn a very different approach to working with these weird things called 'windows'. [11:00] <crimsun> bimberi: hmm? http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=smbclient&searchmode=searchword&case=insensitive&version=hoary&arch=i386 [11:00] <DVSoftware> guardianx, i can't see where is the problem with setting up tv out [11:00] <thoreauputic> guardianx: *shrug* [11:00] <Seveas> glick, you will much more likely get an answer to that if you ask on the ubuntu-devel mailing list [11:00] <delire> glick: i read something about this on planet.ubuntulinux.org [11:00] <paccer> bimberi: i have really run out of ideas to get my samba to install right again [11:00] <linukso> delire: hehe, indeed. Its a different experience than other wm's.... [11:01] <guardianx> dvsoftware well i installed the nvida driver the nvtv. and when i switch to tv out..... the picture is too big it doesnt fit the tv [11:01] <topyli> glick: they are careful? there is no "alliance" as far as i know [11:01] <delire> paccer: i would consider manually creating that /etc/samba first [11:01] <DVSoftware> hm, i think it's just resolution [11:01] <guardianx> and i have no idea how to fix it. i spend hrs on google and asking for help ....... [11:01] <DVSoftware> you need to set another resolution for tv [11:01] <delire> paccer: then a dpkg-reconfigure [11:01] <bimberi> crimsun: eh? - nothing in /etc/samba there [11:01] <thoreauputic> paccer: did you try sudo mkdir /etc/samba or whatever ? [11:01] <_silvertear> set the resolution down to 640 by 480 [11:01] <paccer> thenostradamus: trying now [11:01] <guardianx> i picked the smalled resolution and it is still too big [11:01] <guardianx> like when i play a movie i see only their face [11:02] <moriyah> I'm trying to create a new user [11:02] <glick> has ubuntu surpassed debian in popularity? [11:02] <DVSoftware> guardianx, it's linux spirit [11:02] <EasterSunshine> according to distrowatch, yes [11:02] <thoreauputic> glick: I doubt that [11:02] <DVSoftware> just try harder [11:02] <delire> moriyah: adduser newUserName [11:02] <DVSoftware> and you will succeed [11:02] <DVSoftware> :D [11:02] <topyli> glick: not likely [11:02] <EasterSunshine> his familiy is complaining [11:02] <moriyah> OK, I'll try this [11:02] <guardianx> i jus cant do it no more the linux spirit is dying. i'm returning my power to the microshart camp [11:02] <thoreauputic> EasterSunshine: distrowatch is an *extremely* skewed sample [11:02] <DVSoftware> damnit [11:03] <ChurcH_of_Foamy> www.illwillpress.com/cartoons [11:03] <delire> guardianx: make sure you send me a postcard! [11:03] <guardianx> maybe a few more yrs when linux fix their problem i will return [11:03] <DVSoftware> guardianx, how can i convince you to stay with us :D [11:03] <pusling> hmm... what do I need to do to make phpmyadmin work ? The requested URL /cgi-bin/php4/phpmyadmin/index.php was not found on this server. [11:03] <neighborlee> im trying to view a site that uses .MOV ..I get video but no audio..could someone please try this for me and make sure its not just me please:: http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TNG/episode/68454.html [11:03] <thoreauputic> guardianx: write and send cookies ! [11:03] <topyli> guardianx: that's the spirit! [11:04] <guardianx> dvsoftware - i will return when unbunto become better but i have to admin ubunto is one of the best flava i used in linux [11:04] <paccer> thoreauputic, delire: http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=45980 - that is what i get if i make /etc/samba first [11:04] <EasterSunshine> ubuntu IS the best linux distro i have used [11:04] <DVSoftware> guardianx, ubuntu is already the best distro [11:04] <neighborlee> guardianx, what is it not doing for you if I may ask ? [11:04] <EasterSunshine> ubuntu changed the way i look at life [11:04] <atomic0x> does anybody use the mad wifi drivers on breezy? [11:04] <|rockinnerd|> guardianx, waht's the problem [11:04] <guardianx> it is the best distro so far but it doesnt do what i want it to do [11:05] <bimberi> paccer: ah ha! - samba-common installs into /etc/samba [11:05] <neighborlee> DVSoftware, not so sure..but its dain close [11:05] <EasterSunshine> the tv-out stream is too big for his tv [11:05] <DVSoftware> ok... didn't tried gentoo... oh.. well [11:05] <bimberi> paccer: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=samba&searchmode=searchfilesanddirs&case=insensitive&version=hoary&arch=i386 [11:05] <guardianx> basically i want my unbunto to become my entertainment center. and allow me to watch movies on tv........ [11:05] <Seveas> guardianx, too bad. I hope you have wore luck the next time you try it :) [11:05] <neighborlee> guardianx, what do you need maybe we can help bring it into reality [11:05] <flodine> delire you there [11:05] <paccer> bimberi: tried reinstalling samba-common too :/ [11:05] <delire> paccer: it is all very obscure hehe "creating lame upcase table" i think the bimberi link is good for you. [11:05] <neighborlee> guardianx, it can do that now [11:05] <ompaul> jdub, question, UbuntuWorldWideHuge.jpg any way to get greater zoom on that, all because I can't zoom in to get to names [11:05] <neighborlee> guardianx, long as you have tv card [11:05] <Seveas> guardianx, Ubuntu can doo that, but it is a hassle sometimes indeed [11:06] <TreeFrog> Hi can anyone help with some sound config problems. ? [11:06] <flodine> delire i got the old one up [11:06] <guardianx> neighbor- it doesnt work with an nivda card..... i have already tried to install the nvida driver and the nvtv [11:06] <neighborlee> yeah what Seveas said..I dont have tv card and I dont know how tricky it is or n ot to setup [11:06] <jdub> ompaul: not atm, but i'm working with a friend to do a google maps based version [11:06] <delire> flodine: ahah ok. it's not as good as the current, but you get the idea. [11:06] <moriyah> what's a room number when adding a user? [11:06] <guardianx> i'm not looking to make my unbunto a pvr box. jus to view some movies i d/l on the tv ..... [11:07] <neighborlee> guardianx, ah ic so your nvidia card has tv out..I wish mine did ;-))heh [11:07] <paccer> HA! - i think apt-get install samba-common --reinstall might have done the trick [11:07] <thoreauputic> paccer: try sudo touch /etc/samba/smb.conf and see where ls -l /etc/rc2.d/K09samba says your dangling symlink is pointing [11:07] <delire> paccer: great [11:07] <neighborlee> guardianx, ic [11:07] <ompaul> Jdub, thanks :) [11:07] <thoreauputic> paccer: ah, you have it solved then? [11:07] <flodine> delire is there a place to change the theme [11:07] <guardianx> i spend the whole night trying to get it to display on tv right and it doesnt work. i have exhusted google and the ubuntu forum...... i give up [11:08] <guardianx> linux is too much problem for a simple person like me [11:08] <paccer> thoreauputic: not sure yet - will tell you as soon as i know [11:08] <delire> flodine. gedit ~/.wmi/theme.conf [11:08] <pusling> hmm.. shouldn't apt-get install phpmyadmin set everything up to work ? [11:08] <Seveas> guardianx, in Ubuntus defense: Nvidia drivers are closed source so Ubuntu developers can't do anything about that [11:08] <BiSK-8> u ppl know any good java development software for debian based operating systems [11:08] <thoreauputic> guardianx: perhaps you expected too much of yourself too soon... [11:08] <BiSK-8> (ubuntu) [11:09] <Seveas> thoreauputic, this should work out of the box :) [11:09] <guardianx> seveas - i understand i'm not saying linux is bad it is not doing what i want so i'm force to return to the dark side....... [11:09] <EasterSunshine> i assume you konw about netbeans, BiSK-8? [11:09] <Seveas> guardianx, good luck there, hope to se you back soon :) [11:09] <flodine> delire it doesnt have any extra themes i can change right now [11:09] <BiSK-8> yes [11:10] <topyli> i need a bigger hard disk so i can store all my music in flac in the future [11:10] <moriyah> delire: I tried adduser, what is a room number? [11:10] <EasterSunshine> ok, thats the only java developement environment i know about ,sry [11:10] <delire> guardianx: Seveas makes an important point here. if you have frustration about Nvidia features on Linux, please send Nvidia an email requesting the feature and/or fixing the bug. also consider asking them to open their driver source so Linux developers can use their hardware more readily. [11:10] <pcharky> Hello there. [11:10] <thoreauputic> moriyah: those questions can be ignored :) [11:10] <delire> moriyah: that is really just for organisations [11:11] <thoreauputic> moriyah: the questions about room numbers etc are for institutional installs [11:11] <moriyah> Thanks [11:11] <delire> flodine: hehe no, you write the theme yourself. i have one you can use. http://selectparks.net/julian/wmi [11:11] <pcharky> Got a little problem playing mp3's, I installed all nessecary packages (mad, lame, etc.) the player starts, but there's no sound... (no problem with ogg though). [11:11] <EasterSunshine> you guys are distracting me...i should be doin work...lol [11:11] <ompaul> guardianx, or tens of thousands after you will face the same problems, the other option is to find a card that does what you want and works with Ubuntu [11:11] <guardianx> and my other problem is i jus cant view the shared files on the pc network from the unbunto box..... [11:11] <thoreauputic> EasterSunshine: welcome to the addictive world of IRC ;) [11:11] <delire> flodine: though again, i may not be able to help much as i now run wmii-2.0, which has a different theme rc structure. [11:11] <DVSoftware> !info kxdocker [11:11] <EasterSunshine> i've been on it for over a year, but i love this channel more than any other!! [11:11] <DVSoftware> :( [11:12] <DVSoftware> it's not in universe [11:12] <DVSoftware> :( [11:12] <flodine> delire i like this one how do i update my files [11:12] <ortox> UBUNTU IS ME! [11:12] <EasterSunshine> DVSoftware: i like how you embellished your msg with sad faces [11:12] <guardianx> my windows can see the files/folder on the ubunto box without problem but i cant view the files on the windows from the unbuntu box........ my workgroup name is goku [11:12] <hadi57> i need to share a folder on the network, i added a file but it is asking clients for a username and password, I tryed admin and root password but nothing worked [11:12] <delire> flodine: take the theme.conf and copy it over your ~/.wmi/theme.conf [11:13] <Janeway> thoreauputic: well, seems that everything has worked ok so far, no root-pw asked, none entered, everything how it should be at first glance [11:13] <thoreauputic> DVSoftware: I don't think there's a package by that name [11:13] <delire> flodine: take also 'grill.png' and make sure it's in the same place as mentioned in the theme.conf [11:13] <thoreauputic> Janeway: sounds good :) [11:13] <ep> join /#c++ [11:13] <Janeway> thoreauputic: I'll worry about the rest tomorrow (and will most certainly be back here for the one odd stupid question) [11:13] <delire> Janeway: congratulations [11:13] <paccer> okay - my samba seems to work now.. guess all i had to do was apt-get install samba-common --reinstall [11:13] <EasterSunshine> ep: but the slash before the j [11:13] <DVSoftware> i can't beleive [11:13] <guardianx> well i have messed with linux a lot and i was hoping to use one for the pc but that was only a dream....... [11:13] <ompaul> ep would that be /join #c++ ? [11:13] <ep> never min [11:13] <atomic0x> can anybody help me get mad wifi working on breezy? [11:13] <DVSoftware> why kxdocker is not in universe [11:13] <BiSK-8> how do i install a .bin file? [11:13] <guardianx> i touched on linux when i hacked my tivo. and use the linksys firware hack [11:13] <ep> :) [11:13] <paccer> thanks for the help - i might return for more samba help.. been struggeling with it for some time [11:14] <thoreauputic> Janeway: see you soon then! Enjoy Ubuntu ... [11:14] <topyli> could a newer serpentine perhaps blank a cdrw for me? [11:14] <delire> guardianx: so close, yet so far.. [11:14] <guardianx> this is like the 8 times i tried linux [11:14] <guardianx> and it is the 8 times or so the force pulled me back [11:14] <ep> thats the way my coding is going today too [11:14] <guardianx> *cries * [11:14] <thoreauputic> DVSoftware: it might go under another name - try apt-cache search <some keywords> [11:15] <EasterSunshine> guardianx watches a lot of star wars. huh? [11:15] <Janeway> hm [11:15] <delire> guardianx: the Dark Side of the Source is Strong in You [11:15] <Raptoid> selamlar. [11:15] <thoreauputic> guardianx: Do or not do - there is no try!! [11:15] <ompaul> if you wanted to print the same document to two printers what would you do? [11:15] <guardianx> i guess the only linux box running in my home is my tivo and the linksys router [11:15] <delire> yes GNU/Linux is "tryless"! [11:15] <ompaul> from the command line [11:16] <thoreauputic> guardianx: a Jedi these things does not allow to stop him! [11:16] <transgre1s> yay for delayed flights [11:16] <delire> hehe [11:17] <transgre1s> all i can think now is this... should've eaten before hand... but as it goes... the food will just taste that much better when i get there [11:17] <EasterSunshine> trnasfre1s: where you flyin to [11:18] <EasterSunshine> i need to move one of my hands over a key when i type... [11:18] <guardianx> thoreaputic, i'm simpliscity of winblows..... [11:18] <guardianx> and is there an ass kicking news reader for linux like newsleecher? [11:18] <guardianx> i tried pan but i didnt like it :( [11:18] <thoreauputic> guardianx: nothing simple about windblows: it is baroque in it's complex stupidity [11:19] <thoreauputic> gah [11:19] <thoreauputic> *apostrophe [11:19] <thoreauputic> :) [11:19] <hadi57> can any one help me setup a shared folder on the network, i tryed but is it asking for a user name and password and not accepting root or admin password [11:19] <guardianx> thoreauputic, in it complex stupidity it was about to get the tv-out on the nvidia card to work on the 1st try. it is hard to complain to that [11:20] <ttyS0> hello there. Is there any people who use dialup? If so how do I use callback? I've read a lot of manuals, tried to use some scripts but.... :) (pppd has cbcp support) [11:20] <thoreauputic> guardianx: swings and roundabouts [11:20] <Kyral> Anyone know what package I need to use the "dch" command? [11:20] <EasterSunshine> thoreauputic sounds like he really knows his english grammar [11:21] <thoreauputic> EasterSunshine: I should - my major was english ;) [11:21] <EasterSunshine> i just learned a crapload of annoying grammar to get a good score on the sat [11:21] <paccer> okay - samba isnt quite working yet.. its sending me a hella'ova lot mails - http://pastebin.arslinux.com/2220 [11:21] <delire> guardianx: are you using the proprietary Nvidia drivers? [11:22] <guardianx> delire: yes i install the propertary nvida driver [11:22] <delire> thoreauputic: that very apostrophe haunts me day and night. [11:22] <dull4o4> Hey, how do i disable quick change user in kde? (ie remove the button when screen is locked) [11:22] <LasseL> hadi57, you need to look up the smbpasswd command [11:22] <thoreauputic> EasterSunshine: grammar is like coding - some people have an ear for the vernacular, some don't ;-) [11:22] <LasseL> hadi57, you assign different passwords for samba, it doesn't hook up with the system ones [11:23] <delire> guardianx: i would definitely consider writing to Nvidia, who make the software you are currently using with complaints and/or questions. also consider looking through the Nvidia Linux Driver documentation on their website. if the lack documents you need, tell them. [11:23] <hadi57> ah i see [11:23] <guardianx> delire - but i dont know how to enable the tv-out so i installed nvtv. with nvtv i was able to switch to tv-out but the pictures is too big for the tv. and i could never make the movie fit on the tv. [11:23] <dull4o4> any ideas? [11:23] <paccer> delire, thenostradamus: http://pastebin.arslinux.com/2220 [11:23] <delire> guardianx: i would like to help but have no experience with their software. [11:24] <guardianx> it is ok. i'm perpare for this situation i have already perpare a HD with windows xp ready to go [11:24] <crashd> is there a decent rapid development environment for linux? [11:24] <thoreauputic> guardianx: apt-cache show xawtv ? I don't know, might be relevant or helpful... [11:24] <delire> guardianx: ok great [11:24] <thoreauputic> crashd: define "decent" [11:24] <crashd> well [11:25] <crashd> usable, and useful [11:25] <crashd> it doesnt have to be vs [11:25] <delire> crashd: you mean IDE? people rave about KDevelop, i like this but prefer <cough>vim</cough> [11:25] <crashd> but it has to be halfway deecent [11:25] <crashd> sigh [11:25] <crashd> i dont _want_ a text editor [11:25] <crashd> i want a full environment [11:25] <yoda> lynux no sound on runescape [11:25] <guardianx> and my other problem is i love newsleecher on the windows. but i couldnt find any news reader in linux that have the same simpliscity and feel to newsleecher [11:25] <crashd> vim is all well and good [11:25] <Faco> crimsun: I didn't find any pnp in the BIOS [11:25] <delire> crashd: http://www.kdevelop.org/ [11:25] <crashd> :] [11:25] <thoreauputic> crashd: Kdevelop, Anjuta I guess is an altrnative [11:25] <thoreauputic> *alternative [11:26] <crashd> thanks guys :] [11:26] <yoda> I'm playing an internet game that uses the jre but I can't get sound in the game. [11:26] <guardianx> if i was about to go out and buy a new vid card with tv out. which one should i buy so it can play nicely with linux? [11:26] <guardianx> ati? [11:27] <gpd> anyone got iTunes to install under cvscedega? [11:27] <gpd> I keep getting error installing windows installer engine 1603 [11:27] <thoreauputic> guardianx: BTW if you expect Linux apps to be "just like my windows home" you will be eternally disappointed... [11:27] <transgre2s> yay for shitty wifi connections [11:27] <guardianx> IS there any other good news reader program for linux ?? basically i jus want the bin [11:27] <delire> guardianx: many many thousands of people use tvout on their graphics cards. i do often. i'd hang out with http://google.com/linux or, as i say, write to the software vendors. [11:28] <guardianx> thoreauputic : i'm already disapointed :( [11:28] <yoda> anyone know about sound in java applet? [11:28] <guardianx> delire what card do u use? [11:28] <thoreauputic> guardianx: apt-cache search news reader [11:28] <delire> guardianx: i use ati's mostly but prefer nvidia. on the ati cards i use tvout. [11:28] <yoda> I can't get sound in the game I want to play online [11:28] <guardianx> thoreauputic - i already tried pan. it was chunky [11:29] <gpd> cvscedega/bin/wine: binary overlaps reserved area grr... [11:29] <thoreauputic> guardianx: we could hardly have missed the fact that you are disappointed, short of terminal deafness [11:29] <delire> hehe [11:29] <Faco> crimsun: also now that I reboot I realized that if I don't wirte sudo modprobe snd_cs4236 the volume manager doesn't work [11:29] <guardianx> delire - how did u make the tv out work ? [11:29] <delire> thoreauputic: what did you say? [11:29] <thoreauputic> guardianx: I think you aren't quite ready for linux, frankly [11:29] <crimsun> Faco: can you hear anything from the speakers/headphones? [11:30] <yoda> delire -- can you help me with a sound problem? [11:30] <sorush20> guys can someone help me solve a hotplug problem [11:30] <hadi57> Lassel, where to issue the password for samba? [11:30] <guardianx> delire - how did u enable tv-out? [11:30] <ompaul> !supported hardware [11:30] <ubotu> ompaul: I give up, what is it? [11:30] <delire> guardianx: whenever you shift operating systems you need to lay out some time to make that move. i, for instance, really struggled learning OSX, as i have to use it at work sometimes, but after some weeks managed to become proficient at using it even though it's very unlike Ubuntu. [11:30] <guardianx> thoreaputic: ur right i'm not ready for linux. [11:31] <Faco> just the beep sound and also when I wirte sudo modprobe snd_cs4236 sounds as if it will work but nothing [11:31] <delire> yoda: crimsun knows several times more than i about the current state of sound systems in ubuntu. he may be overworked right now however. [11:31] <guardianx> delire : i use mac os x at work too. it is not that hard [11:31] <delire> guardianx: i find it very hard as i'm comfortable with linux, having used it for years. [11:32] <calamari> hi [11:32] <Pega> hi [11:32] <yoda> crimsun -- I'm trying to play runescape. I have sound generally, but not when I play this game [11:32] <GOGILOLik> http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 [11:32] <GOGILOLik> [11:32] <GOGILOLik> http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 [11:32] <GOGILOLik> http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 [11:32] <GOGILOLik> http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 [11:32] <crimsun> yoda: does it require direct OSS access? If you're using esd, have you tried esddsp $game ? [11:32] <delire> guardianx: the 'finder' for instance still seems totally bizarre. you get the idea.. going to internet sites to download and install software etc. things i'm not used to. [11:33] <flodine> anyone have fbpager that can help [11:33] <yoda> It required the java run time pluggin [11:33] <guardianx> i'm jus going to let my linksys router do the linux from now on. [11:33] <delire> guardianx: great idea, Linux makes an excellent router [11:33] <calamari> sometimes for seemingly no reason (just sitting on the desktop) my hdd drive light will come on solid and the system will slow down almost to a stop, sometimes it'll freeze. Is there a way to find out what is using my drive so much? I opened the System Monitor and I hadn't run out of memory. [11:34] <delire> calamari: perhaps 'top'? [11:34] <guardianx> delire: the linksys routher rock with the hacked firmware. i can run ssh on the linksys router [11:34] <calamari> (and the cpu usage was about 22%) [11:34] <MrThou> Greetings [11:34] <delire> calamari: it may be 'find' updating the locatedb? [11:34] <calamari> hi MrThou [11:34] <gpd> meh... picass2 fails with cvscedega: user32.FlashWindowEx [11:34] <calamari> delire: oic.. is there a way to disable that? [11:34] <Faco> crimsun: I cannot hear anything, just the beep [11:35] <delire> calamari: i'm suspecting it's a cronjob. first find out what it is with 'top' [11:35] <guardianx> well thank you guys. thank for ur times. but guardianx is going to have his OS reset by windows...... it was good while it lasted. [11:35] <calamari> delire: searches seem to take forever anyways, so I'm not sure it's helping me :) [11:35] <sorush20> could some one help me with this hotplug error... its my printer.. and here is the log for when I insert the USB cable into the computer... can someone tell if its right or worng.. [11:35] <delire> guardianx: all the best in your travels. [11:35] <heyy> is it possble to mount power pc file systems? [11:35] <yoda> crimsun: the game required the java runtime pluggin for the firefox browser [11:35] <delire> calamari: this is all about to change in Linux ;) [11:35] <heyy> no help at ubuntuguide.org [11:36] <delire> heyy: HFS? [11:36] <thoreauputic> guardianx, I suspect , took lessons on premature retirement from Dame Nellie Melba [11:36] <calamari> delire: why's that? :) [11:36] <EasterSunshine> lol are we still wishing guardianx good luck with reverting to windows? [11:36] <ubuntu> hi [11:36] <heyy> delire: i presume so im finding out for a freind with panther os [11:36] <eruin> reverting to windows? [11:36] <eruin> poor soul ;) [11:36] <thoreauputic> EasterSunshine: just wait for the big comeback - sometime tomorrow: stay tuned! [11:37] <ompaul> is there a tool to break out the info in the hardware database ? [11:37] <ompaul> or even just read it on a web page? [11:37] <delire> calamari: a couple of projects, notably inotify, offers a live reporting system for the kernel to detect changes to the file system and pass that message on to user space applications. create a file, run find, and it's there. [11:37] <thoreauputic> heyy: yes - you can mount hfsplus in linux [11:38] <gpd> anyone willing to help me with cvscedega... basics... after install [11:38] <Dolph> Is anyone here running Ubuntu on the ancient IBook G3 366mhz mac?? [11:38] <delire> s/that/those [11:38] <Dolph> (Clamshell one=) [11:38] <ttyS0> :) noone callback script works for me :) does anybody have any ? [11:38] <delire> heyy: yes, that's HFS [11:39] <starknight> hi all [11:39] <pcharky> Can anybody help me out, my music just died on me.. [11:39] <MrThou> While trying to install, when it hits my USB Keyboard/Hub, it just stops. Anyway I can bypass that? Other then using another keyboard? [11:39] <starknight> how to start TUX RACER? [11:39] <EasterSunshine> to what degree will having five apache2 processes slow down my comp, if i never get client connections on it, ever? [11:40] <EasterSunshine> its a 450 mhz with 256 rams [11:40] <Faco> crimsun: what else could I do? [11:40] <delire> heyy: that is supported. eg 'mount -t hfs /dev/TheHFSPartition /MountPoint' [11:40] <thoreauputic> starknight: probably by typing tuxracer in a terminal; not sure of that though [11:40] <starknight> what is the command to start tux racer? [11:40] <DekaPink> starknight: tuxracer [11:41] <delire> hmm a bit tricky that one ;) [11:41] <starknight> thx [11:41] <omeg> argh. [11:41] <calamari> delire: crontab -l says I have no crontabs (ran it for both root and my user just to see).. hmm.. should set some up hehehe, maybe I can use it and remember some people's birthdays for a change or somethin [11:41] <omeg> So many programs that I download just DON'T RUN. I wonder what the problem is. [11:41] <calamari> omeg: download, or install with synaptic? [11:41] <omeg> Right now I'm furiously clicking Joequake, a linux frontend for playing Quake, and it just doesn't do anything. [11:41] <omeg> Download, calamari. [11:41] <yoda> crimsun: do you have time now to help me? [11:41] <delire> calamari: designing cronjobs is a great 'rainy day' project. [11:41] <omeg> But some synaptic programs don't run, either. [11:42] <omeg> Like FCE Ultra, which I got from Synaptic, just doesn't work. [11:42] <calamari> omeg: if you type "file Joequake" what does it say (I'm curious) [11:42] <gpd> something is very wrong here, I can't even run notepad.exe from my ntfs partition [11:42] <crimsun> yoda: sec [11:42] <omeg> file joequake? [11:42] <pcharky> any alsa gurus in the room? [11:42] <calamari> yeah [11:43] <yoda> crimson:: does that mean you have a second, or that I should wait a second? [11:43] <delire> pcharky: crimsun, if he's not overworked. [11:43] <pcharky> delire: Thanks, delire got a moment to spare? [11:43] <calamari> delire: I'd like to try running that locate rebuilding thing to see if you've identified the problem. Any idea how that gets started (Hoary) ? [11:43] <pcharky> delire: sorry, crimsun got a moment to spare? [11:43] <delire> pcharky: ahh, i meant crimsun [11:44] <delire> pcharky: ask him [11:44] <pcharky> delire: got that, typo sorry. [11:44] <delire> calamari: 'updatedb' [11:44] <omeg> joequake.x11: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped [11:44] <tucoz> Hi, I try to mount my windows partition and have created a dir under /mnt/windows and added the entry to /etc/fstab. However, I cannot enter the mounted partition as user, only as root. How do I solve this? [11:44] <thoreauputic> calamari: sudo updatedb ? [11:44] <crimsun> yoda: it means wait a sec, because I have to take care of my pets [11:44] <calamari> oh yeah.. that sure seems like it.. wheeeeeeeeeee [11:45] <delire> calamari: sorry, 'sudo' first as thoreauputic suggests [11:45] <delire> calamari: hehe that *was* it ;) [11:45] <Chaotic_Reality> i installed kubuntu-desktop from apt last night - when i rebooted it prompted me for my username and password to login with a kubuntu login, but then took me into gnome...is there something i have to do to boot into kubuntu? [11:45] <gigaclon> tucoz, add sudo before the mount command [11:45] <omeg> What is wrong with this thing [11:45] <thoreauputic> delire: a necessity rather than a suggestion ;) [11:45] <delire> calamari: 'ps ax | grep find' you'll see it there. [11:45] <gigaclon> and when asked for password enter yours [11:45] <delire> thoreauputic: correct ;) [11:46] <ChurcH_of_Foamy> is there a way to get into Ubuntu after having lost my password? [11:46] <gigaclon> Chaotic_Reality, click session [11:46] <tucoz> gigaclon, the partition is mounted. The problem is I cannot cd /mnt/windows as I get a permission denied [11:46] <calamari> delire: yeah, ran top and it right up there, as you said [11:46] <ChurcH_of_Foamy> a freind forgot his password [11:46] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Reality: choose KDE from the sessions [11:46] <heyy> delire: cool how about what ever network shares that mac has? [11:46] <heyy> do i just use samba? [11:46] <delire> heyy: i don't know about that.. [11:46] <heyy> in the same way as with windows shares [11:46] <omeg> aha. [11:46] <omeg> ./joequake-gl.glx: error while loading shared libraries: libfmod-3.73.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [11:46] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_Foamy: boot in recovery mode and set a new password for the user [11:47] <omeg> now... how do I get that file easiest? [11:47] <delire> heyy: yes, just use samba [11:47] <ChurcH_of_Foamy> ok is there a how to for the commands? [11:47] <crimsun> yoda: / pcharky: yes? [11:47] <omeg> (by the way thank you for giving no visual feedback until I tried running the program in terminal) [11:47] <Cody> Is there anyway to add a new menu after Applications on the top panel? [11:47] <gigaclon> tucoz, make sure to have uid=1000, gid=1000 in your /etc/fstab [11:47] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_Foamy: password <username> [11:47] <tucoz> event if I type: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows, I get a permission denied when trying to cd /mnt/windows [11:47] <ompaul> ChurcH_of_Foamy, to do that - interrupt the boot by pressing escape key while it is counting down, then passwd user [11:47] <heyy> heyy: wow does mac os use the same share system as m windows? [11:47] <tucoz> gigaclon, oh ok. [11:47] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_Foamy: sorry passwd <username> [11:47] <delire> thoreauputic: passwd <username> ? [11:47] <pcharky> crimsun: I got a problem with alsa, everything seems quite okay.. apart from the fact that it doesn't play any sound. [11:48] <MrThou> While trying to install, when it hits my USB Keyboard/Hub, it just stops. Anyway I can bypass that? Other then using another keyboard? [11:48] <thoreauputic> delire: yeah [11:48] <ChurcH_of_Foamy> kk [11:48] <MartenH> anyone got experience with "motion"? [11:48] <delire> thoreauputic: i've always thought they should change that. it get's me every time, and it's been _years_. [11:48] <paccer> thoreauputic: im still having samba problems :( -take a look at http://pastebin.arslinux.com/2220 [11:48] <yoda> crimsun: runescape required the java runtime plugin in firefox [11:48] <pcharky> crimsun: I heard you're the alsa guru so.. can you help me? [11:48] <tucoz> gigaclon, in the <options> column? [11:48] <crimsun> pcharky: cat /proc/asound/modules [11:48] <gigaclon> yea [11:48] <ompaul> :) [11:48] <tucoz> ok, thanks [11:49] <pcharky> crimsun: snd_emu10k1 [11:49] <pcharky> crimsun: sb audigy2. [11:49] <Cody> Is there anyway to add a new menu after Applications on the top panel? [11:49] <delire> Cody: sorry, i don't use Gnome here. i would imagine so. [11:49] <ompaul> !tell cody about smeg [11:49] <tucoz> gigaclon, do you think ro,user,uid=1000,gid=1000 is ok? [11:50] <crimsun> yoda: ok, I'm not sure how that's affected by OSS... [11:50] <crimsun> yoda: are you using esd? [11:50] <gigaclon> and auto [11:50] <Cody> yeah, but smeg doesn't allow editing/adding new menus on the actual top panel [11:50] <Cody> just on the applications menu [11:50] <tucoz> ok, thanks alot [11:50] <yoda> crimsun: what is esd? [11:50] <gigaclon> !esd [11:50] <ubotu> hmm... esd is Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously. [11:50] <_SWAT_> pcharky, what's your problem? [11:50] <crimsun> pcharky: amixer sset 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack' on [11:50] <Cody> also, is there anyway to have nautilus open folders instead of the other minimalist file browser [11:50] <pcharky> crimsun: I can modify volumes with alsamixer, store and restore with alsactl. [11:50] <pcharky> _SWAT_: no sound. [11:50] <Faco> crimsun: what else can I do? please a little help [11:50] <thoreauputic> paccer: sorry, I can't really help - clearly you've managed to break samba in some weird and wonderful way [11:50] <_SWAT_> pcharky, did you compile your own ALSA drivers? [11:50] <delire> otherwise known as the "Not So Enlightened Sound Daemon" [11:50] <ompaul> Cody, ahh sorry, misunderstood your question, right click on the panel and use the add fucntion [11:51] <pcharky> _SWAT_: nope. [11:51] <Cody> k [11:51] <crimsun> pcharky: type the above command into a Terminal. [11:51] <_SWAT_> pcharky, you NEED to do that [11:51] <paccer> thoreauputic: i have breaking skills :/ [11:51] <Cody> Add to panel? [11:51] <crimsun> _SWAT_: not necessarily. [11:51] <ompaul> Cody, if I understand you yes [11:51] <_SWAT_> crimsun, that was the solution for me though (Audigy 2 here) [11:51] <pcharky> crimsun: you rock.. thanks ;-) [11:51] <crimsun> Faco: did you see a PnP option in bios? [11:51] <paccer> thoreauputic: have 200 mails from samba now.. its spamming me with that error :/ [11:52] <_SWAT_> crimsun, pcharky ---> Check it out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21211&highlight=audigy [11:52] <vladuz976> anybody here using e17? [11:52] <Cody> ompaul: nothing there about a menu [11:52] <pcharky> _SWAT_: Thanks, I was about to ask if you could explain the problem for future reference. [11:52] <thoreauputic> paccer: You could try (as a last resort before sacrificing a goat at the full moon) running sudo apt-get -f install [11:52] <gpd> holy crap picassa2 runs under cedega... [11:53] <tucoz> gigaclon, thanks for the help. Works perfectly :) [11:53] <crimsun> _SWAT_: yes, I know about that thread, but it's misleading. [11:53] <ray_> xfce! [11:53] <Faco> crimsun: I entered to BIOS but I couldn't find any PnP [11:53] <tucoz> bye [11:53] <crimsun> _SWAT_: not all Audigy 2 models are listed by id in the emu10k1 header, hence the default ALSA version (1.0.6) in Hoary doesn't work. However, MOST Audigy 2s ARE. [11:53] <_SWAT_> crimsun, why? I had NO sound by default (the problem weren't the settings). I compiled ALSA and everything went away and I had perfect sound :) [11:54] <yoda> anyone: how do I get ess running or know if it's running? [11:54] <crimsun> yoda: pgrep esd [11:54] <calamari_> re's [11:54] <calamari_> well, updatedb was nice enough to let me know it was causing the freezes as well :/ [11:55] <delire> calamari_: hehe [11:55] <calamari_> looks like it is just a call to slocate -u [11:55] <delire> calamari_: ouch [11:55] <delire> calamari_: that's it [11:55] <pcharky> _SWAT_: I had sound, until I installed lame and mad libraries. Maybe something happened in pre/post install scripts? [11:55] <calamari_> so it looks like I need to disable this thing from running [11:55] <calamari_> anyone know where it is run from? [11:56] <yoda> crimsun: OK, esd is running, any other ideas? [11:56] <delire> calamari_ do you have DMA on those disks? [11:56] <_SWAT_> pcharky, I wouldn't know. But it would be stupid if that would be the problem... [11:56] <paccer> damnit samba, WORK! [11:56] <calamari_> delire: good question.. I hope so [11:56] <crimsun> yoda: I mentioned about 20 minutes ago that you could try: esddsp $game [11:56] <pcharky> _SWAT_: It sure would.. [11:56] <crimsun> yoda: (substitute $game for the executable name) [11:56] <Cody> also, is there anyway to have nautilus open folders instead of the other minimalist file browser [11:57] <delire> paccer: it's come to that, a shame. make sure you have the armpit hair of an elderly female giraffe in your left fist as you shout "ThaqBulaqaIpNgad!" [11:57] <yoda> crimsun: the game is on the internet, how do I do that? [11:57] <Cody> as in the one with full address bar and such [11:57] <paccer> delire: ofcourse.. did that :) [11:57] <Tarcastil> hey, if I install java separately, how do I tell apt I have it installed? [11:57] <delire> paccer: then return to your keyboard and enjoy a fully working samba installation. [11:57] <pcharky> _SWAT_: Do you know if there are any pre-compiled bmp plugin packages are available? [11:57] <thoreauputic> delire: most impressive incantation - I must remember it in case of need ;) [11:57] <paccer> delire: okay - hold on [11:58] <MrThou> While trying to install, when it hits my USB Keyboard/Hub, it just stops. Anyway I can bypass that? Other then using another keyboard? [11:58] <delire> thoreauputic: not to be done before a good night's rest. [11:58] <Tarcastil> is there a dpkg command that says "hey, this package is on the computer"? [11:58] <thoreauputic> delire: of course we add the obligatory disclaimer "Kids, don't try this at home!" [11:58] <pcharky> Tarcastil: dpkg --get-selections [11:58] <delire> Tarcastil: dpkg -l | package [11:58] <crimsun> yoda: ok, then you'll have to temporarily suspend esd. Try unchecking the System> Preferences> Sound> Enable sound server startup [11:59] <crimsun> yoda: then try your Java applet again [11:59] <delire> Tarcastil: pcharky's is better. i read your question too fast ;) [11:59] <thoreauputic> Tarcastil: dpkg -l | grep package and look for ii [11:59] <DekaPink> It's come to the point now where my windows partition pretty much makes me uncomfortable. xD [11:59] <Cody> is there anyway to get the file browser to use full nautilus style when you click on a folder? [11:59] <paccer> Saved 1 message in /home/paccer/mbox [11:59] <paccer> Held 212 messages in /var/mail/paccer [11:59] <paccer> :P

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.561463

2005-08-12-#ubuntu-devel

[12:07] <dholbach> hi [12:07] <dholbach> did anyone notice ${perl:Depends} not working as nicely as before? [12:09] <dholbach> apart from that obvious problem in the buildlog, libxml-writer-perl has no content (apart from doc/) [12:09] <dholbach> strangely enough it does build nicely on my amd64 now [12:13] <siretart> strange. never done any serious perl packaging, though [12:13] <dholbach> me neither, i'd just like to update a file in xmltv to make it work for german users again and it build-depends on libxml-writer-perl [12:14] <dholbach> the debian/{rules,control} did not get changed from the last working release in hoary [12:14] <Robot101> mjg59: oi :P [12:16] <dholbach> siretart: might just have been a buildd hiccup - we might just sync the new version from sid and see :) [12:16] <mjg59> Robot101: I can't find which package it's in [12:16] <mjg59> In fact, it's not on my system [12:16] <mjg59> Try starting the Gnome session rather than the system default one [12:16] <dholbach> what are you looking for? [12:16] <mjg59> sessreg [12:17] <dholbach> xutils? [12:17] <Robot101> gnome-session actually works perfectly when I run it directly [12:17] <Robot101> my xutils package contains ~nothing [12:17] <dholbach> oh.. hm [12:17] <Robot101> copyright, NEWS.Debian, changelog.Debian [12:17] <dholbach> and daniels is not around [12:17] <Robot101> which is at odds with the package description :) [12:19] <Robot101> mjg59: newcastle brown ale bottle says: responsible drinkers don't exceed 4 daily units (men) :P [12:19] <dholbach> hahaha [12:19] <dholbach> whatever a unit is... [12:19] <mjg59> dholbach: 10ml of alcohol [12:19] <mjg59> Robot101: Right. Coming back now. [12:19] <dholbach> oh i see :) [12:26] <Robot101> "There is 1 item of post-update informations available" is a very awkward message :) [12:26] <Robot101> not to mention that "informations" is not a word :) [12:28] <dholbach> i know who'll be delighted to hear this as a bugreport :) [12:29] <mdke> that's a valid bug IMO [12:36] <Robot101> did xen packages make their way into breezy or anything? [12:40] <dholbach> Robot101: i didn't read anything about them yet [12:41] <Nafallo> that means "no, now" :-) [01:56] <dholbach> good night everybody [02:17] <Robot101> why is gdm in breezy unable to start me a gnome-session? [02:18] <windex> because according to something i read a bit ago in #ubuntu, gnome-session does not currently appear to contain actual binaries at this moment? not sure if that's what was said. :) [02:43] <tseng> mjg59: you mean libdbus-glib-1-1? [02:49] <tseng> mjg59: it should really depend on libdbus-1-cil [02:53] <mjg59> tseng: Beagle FATAL: System.DllNotFoundException: dbus-glib-1 [02:54] <tseng> hm rock on [02:54] <tseng> well libdbus-1-cil should depend on the glib bits anyway [02:54] <tseng> dh_clideps is not working that well on some stuff it seems [02:54] <mjg59> Ah - if I remove libdbus-cil, I can install libdbus-1-cil [02:54] <tseng> oh, i mailed elmo to axe the former [02:55] <mjg59> Oh, argh, hang on - I'm running a beagled in /usr/local [02:55] <tseng> :/ [02:55] <mjg59> Ah, that's better [02:55] <mjg59> Probably my fault, then [02:56] <tseng> we'll need to get at least the next release in [02:56] <tseng> to actually have a discoverable way of adding beagled/best to session [02:57] <tseng> and working inotify [03:00] <tseng> mjg59: id be interested how it goes from here. [03:01] <tseng> mjg59: and what arch(s) [03:02] <mjg59> tseng: x86 [03:02] <mjg59> tseng: Works fine - it's possible that it's ok, but that the old version I was trying to run was broken [03:03] <tseng> mjg59: quite possibly, it was a real crapshoot until recently [06:48] <jdub> Kamion: ping [06:48] <jdub> hrm, unlikely [06:49] <Mithrandir> hi jdub [06:50] <jdub> yo Mithrandir [06:50] <jdub> congrats btw :) [06:50] <Mithrandir> thanks. :-) [06:57] <jdub> so, ssh-add doesn't run ssh-askpass-gnome atm; SSH_ASKPASS isn't set in my env [06:58] <jdub> i'm tempted to think this is an X bug (session related?_ [07:00] <Lathiat> ssh-add < /dev/null [07:03] <jdub> aha: [07:03] <jdub> /etc/alternatives/ssh-askpass -> /usr/lib/ssh/gnome-ssh-askpass [07:03] <Lathiat> should be openssh [07:03] <jdub> ls: /usr/lib/ssh/gnome-ssh-askpass: No such file or directory [07:03] <Lathiat> (/usr/lib/openssh/gnome-ssh-askpass) [07:04] <jdub> yeah, it is there, but the alternative wasn't reset [07:04] <jdub> http://bayosphere.com/blog/dangillmor/080605/apple_dictionary [07:04] <jdub> ha ha ha [11:04] <Robot101_> anyone know why gdm in breezy won't start a gnome session for me? [11:04] <Treenaks> Robot101_: because the default session is broken?? [11:05] <Robot101_> it seems not to work whichever I choose [11:05] <Treenaks> if you manually select gnome it'll work again [11:05] <Treenaks> (at least, for me) [11:05] <Robot101_> hmm [11:07] <sivang> anyone knows how I can add shared libs dependecies into an existing autotoolized project ? [11:07] <bob2> presumably add them to the library list and edit configure.{ac,in} [11:08] <Treenaks> and then rerun auto* [11:12] <sivang> bob2: you mean, add them to the *.pc file? (pkg config file) [11:13] <bob2> erm, why are you modifying a shared library? [11:15] <sivang> bob2: I have cloned a ready made one, and the same exiting project tree suits me for a very similar lib , but comaptible with some other stuff. Now, the forked on needs to depend on other stuff then the original one [11:15] <sivang> bob2: for example, on bonnobo ui instead of Gtk stuff [11:16] <bob2> isn't the .pc file generated at runtime? [11:16] <bob2> er, build time [11:16] <sivang> bob2: it generated form a pc.in file, but I wasn't sure this is the only place to change my dependencies [11:22] <sivang> bob2: also, is there a common list for libs name under autotools to choose from? (for instance, I need libbonnobo ui which lib/pkg in autotools hsould I depend against?) [11:27] <bytee> so, how would i make evince my default pdf viewer as opposed to xpdf? if i try to remove xpdf, it wants to take the whole ubuntu-desktop with it (which isn't cool) [11:27] <Burgundavia> bytee, right click on pdf, choose properties [11:28] <Burgundavia> bytee, 3rd or 4th tab, choose evince [11:28] <bytee> Burgundavia: i wanted to make it the default, for a custom livecd, so there's no right-clicking for me, it'd seem [11:28] <Burgundavia> ah [11:28] <Burgundavia> breezy livecd will have it by default [11:29] <Burgundavia> bytee, sorry, thought I was in #ubuntu [11:30] <bytee> Burgundavia: heh, no need to apologise ;-) its a possibly simple answer if i poke around enough. [11:30] <Burgundavia> bytee, LiveCDCustomization might be able to help [11:30] <bytee> been looking at that unfortunately, nothing showing me much more. gonna try the gnome one next [11:30] <jsgotangco> wrong channel [11:30] <jsgotangco> heh [11:30] <mjg59> Hrm. nm-applet won't give me any icons. [11:32] <Burgundavia> mjg59, if you have the latest, it is broken [11:32] <bytee> jsgotangco: should such customisation questions be asked on #ubuntu, instead ? [11:32] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Ah [11:32] <Burgundavia> bytee, no [11:33] <Burgundavia> mjg59, there was email to the -devel list about it [11:33] <bytee> ok, just double checking [11:33] <Burgundavia> bytee, my 1st answer was a #ubuntu answer [11:37] <jsgotangco> bytee: wrong chan heh supposed to be for #ubuntu-doc [11:37] <mjg59> Burgundavia: The failures described there don't match the problems I'm having [11:38] <Burgundavia> mjg59, there is a reason that NM has not been promoted to main yet [11:39] <j^> Burgundavia nobody maintaining it? [11:40] <j^> current version in ubuntu will cause a segfault and after that the icon will go away [11:40] <Burgundavia> j^, very ambitioius and not yet completely mature [11:40] <j^> this is due to a wrong option passed to configure in debian/rules [11:40] <j^> on the way trying to disable bind, setting the path to "no" [11:41] <j^> so it NetworkManager tries to launch "no" [11:41] <Burgundavia> NM is getting work now [11:41] <Burgundavia> it was passed from person to person [11:42] <j^> i realy strongly suggest to use bind for dns, and not add another system outside of NetworkManager [11:43] <Burgundavia> I am not the person to ask about that [11:43] <Burgundavia> or tell, for that matter [11:43] <j^> how is it right now? [11:44] <Burgundavia> say again? [11:44] <j^> s/how/who [11:45] <Burgundavia> Ian somebody? no idea [11:45] <j^> ian said is not the one [11:45] <Burgundavia> ask mdz or Kamion they will know [11:55] <infinity> j^ : I'm doing NM right now. [11:56] <infinity> j^ : And I tend to agree about reverting to bind, only beause it buys us views for VPNs.. [11:56] <infinity> j^ : Though it still feels like an inelegant and rather clunky solution, it may be the best option for now. [11:58] <j^> infinity once dns is done via dbus it should be possible to use another dns resolver that provides a dbus interface [11:58] <infinity> j^ : ... [11:59] <infinity> j^ : You're kidding, right? All DNS on the system will not be passing through dbus. [11:59] <Robot101> ha ha ha [11:59] <j^> infinity dns configuration [11:59] <j^> like it is done right now with dhcp [12:00] <j^> NM taks to dhcdbd via dbus [12:00] <infinity> j^ : There are no DNS resolvers other than bind that offer the functionality we need anyway, so you're basically talking about either rewriting a lighter-weight bind, or stapling a dbus interface onto bind (which, in a sense, is what NM's named backed IS) [12:01] <bob2> wtf [12:01] <bob2> a dbusi nterface for a dns resolver? [12:02] <infinity> Anyhow, the problem isn't how one configures bind, the problem is that you need something that can A) provide multiple views for DNS queries on multiple networks, and B) work around the fact that braindead applications (*cough*mozilla*cough*) cache resolv.conf. [12:02] <infinity> Which, at the moment, means B) running a local nameserver, and A) making that product be bind9. [12:02] <infinity> So, I'll be reverting to that setup, as much as it pains me to do so. [12:06] <jdub> infinity: aha, you've got it now :-) [12:07] <mjg59> infinity: Current network-manager doesn't seem to depend on dhcp3-client [12:07] <mjg59> (Which has just led to a degree of frustrating debugging) [12:08] <j^> mjg59 it depends on dhcdbd, which should depend on dhcp3-client [12:09] <mjg59> j^: But it doesn't [12:09] <mjg59> In fact, dhcdbd doesn't depend on anything [12:10] <mjg59> Including libc [12:10] <mjg59> That's kind of special [12:10] <Burgundavia> what happened to thom anyway? [12:10] <Amaranth> he got a new job [12:11] <Burgundavia> I figured that [12:12] <j^> infinity will you also remove resolvconf from network-managers depends? [12:23] <infinity> j^ : Yes, though I also need to make sure it works properly with resolvconf installed, as opposed to the current thpethul behaviour. [12:24] <j^> why should it work with resolvconf installed? [12:24] <infinity> Why should it blatantly not? [12:24] <j^> because resolv conf does not add anything to it? [12:25] <j^> why should apache and apache2 be installed at the same time? [12:25] <infinity> Because they can be. The conflict would be gratuitous. [12:25] <infinity> (And, hence, they do work together) [12:26] <sladen> j^: unless you have identical Port XX and Listen XX lines then there's no reason they should conflict [12:28] <j^> ok bad example, but still i fail to see why you would want to install resolvconf + NetworkManager
... There's probably no benefit in having both together, but that's no reason why they can't both function correctly when installed together. [12:32] <j^> infinity might be good to update the backend to support dial-up support as added by rml the other week [12:32] <infinity> It's on the list. [12:32] <j^> cool [12:33] <infinity> I've been watching RML's changes intently. [12:41] <jdub> j^: a good use case is "network-manager isn't running", for example, single user mode. :-) [12:56] <j^> jdub and in single usermode on the airport in shanghai resolvconf helps me with anything? [12:57] <jdub> j^: when you dhcp, sure :) [12:57] <j^> no, dhclient overwrites resolv.conf by default [01:00] <doko> pitti: is there a way to determine all the country specific locales in a language support pack? [01:00] <j^> and if network connection in single user mode (if i have to use it, its a bug) is the only reason for resolvconf, well [01:01] <infinity> j^ : What about a machine without X that recieves dyanmic updates and needs to kick daemons (like postifx) to DTRT? [01:01] <infinity> j^ : That's the use case for resolvconf, generally. [01:02] <j^> infinity why would you install NetworkManager on such a machine [01:02] <j^> and NetworkManager is a replacement for that [01:02] <infinity> j^ : And if you happen to be the sort of person who likes to have a full X environment on your server, logging in to GDM probably shouldn't cause your network setup to implode, just because nm-applet started and decided it was cooler than resolvconf. [01:02] <infinity> (Not that I have X on servers, but I've seen it happen) [01:03] <infinity> j^ : The point isn't that I anticipate people doing this often, the point is that if they can be made to work together, why argue against it? [01:03] <j^> NetworkManager will not touch configured network devices [01:04] <j^> i also never installed resolvconf on any server, so i might be a lost case [01:05] <infinity> Well, I don't have servers with dynamic IPs, but I assume if I did, resolvconf could prove useful. [01:05] <infinity> Anyhow, I'm all for making sure the entire chain of "mucks with the resolver" packages don't bugger each other on a regular basis. [01:06] <infinity> Which, for now, is dhclient, resolvconf, and networkmanager. [01:06] <j^> if you are willing to do it fine, to me it just feels like making sure networkmanger works with things it tries to replace [01:06] <infinity> I'm also all about napping. [01:06] <infinity> It's not a replacement for resolvconf at all. [01:07] <infinity> NetworkManager is for (surprise) managing network connections. The resolver, oddly enough, is used for many things beyond just "find me Google, please". [01:08] <infinity> (As is resolvconf) [01:08] <infinity> Anyhow. Naps are more important and bickering. I hope to have a more polished set of NM packages in breezy in the next few days. [01:09] <infinity> The goal is to have it functioning again and reasonably stable/useable/nonbroken before feature freeze, which is right around the corner. [01:10] <j^> ok, hope to see packages soon, and let me knwo if you need any help [01:22] <Mithrandir> hm, anybody know the status of the remote buffer overflows in clamav? [01:31] <tseng> Mithrandir: last with a CVE is 2004 [01:44] <Mithrandir> tseng: see http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=86638&release_id=344514 [01:44] <Mithrandir> "Changes in this release include fixes for three possible integer overflows in libclamav" [03:54] <tools> http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42823 [04:20] <mxpxpod> what happened to xev? [04:28] <\sh> infinity: ping [04:28] <\sh> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) [04:28] <\sh> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault. [04:28] <\sh> apt-get failed. [04:28] <\sh> Package installation failed [04:28] <\sh> infinity: on amd64 [04:28] <Lathiat> nice [04:29] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/knet/0.6beta1-1ubuntu3/knet_0.6beta1-1ubuntu3_20050807-1512-amd64-failed.gz [04:43] <Mez> gb.archive.ubuntu.com is so flaky [04:44] <\sh> use archive.ubuntu.com ,-) [04:45] <Mez> I do now :D [04:46] <Mez> I was just growling at it and forgot to do it before [04:46] <Amaranth> i thought they were the same machine [05:28] <mxpxpod> mjg59: ping [06:01] <Mez> Unpacking libglu1-mesa-dev (from .../libglu1-mesa-dev_6.2.1-5ubuntu4_i386.deb) ... [06:01] <Mez> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) [06:01] <Mez> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault. [06:01] <Mez> -> Trying to fix apt error [06:49] <HiddenWolf> Guys, my working Breezy august8th install cd is currently printing "killed" on the screen of this very old laptop I'm trying to install on. [06:50] <highvoltage> HiddenWolf: so install hoary ;) [06:50] <HiddenWolf> Yeah, I was planning to do that, but I thought I'd mention a screen full of scary errors. :) [06:51] <HiddenWolf> (just trying breezy to check if some bug is still in there) [06:52] <highvoltage> HiddenWolf: breezy is still pre-alpha software, it's far from testing stage. [06:53] <HiddenWolf> highvoltage: I reported a bug on hoary, guy asked for me to see if it's still on breezy, and since I was reinstalling, I thought I'd give it a shot. [06:53] <highvoltage> that's weird. [06:54] <highvoltage> it's not a good idea to install breezy to avoid problems in hoary. [06:55] <eruin> haha [06:55] <HiddenWolf> highvoltage: I know, but since the laptop just died under hoary, I thought I'd test breezy for 5 seconds to confirm the bugs, then install hoary again. :P [07:37] <Mez> daniels: ping [07:44] <Kamion> HiddenWolf: at what stage is it failing? [07:44] <Kamion> doko: oh, it is? ok then, I'll have a look [07:44] <Kamion> lamont: libreadline5, I think [07:44] <Kamion> jdub: update-alternatives hurts my BRAIN [07:46] <HiddenWolf> Kamion: Right after the first few questions, location etc. [07:46] <Kamion> HiddenWolf: can you get at tty4? [07:46] <Kamion> knowing exactly what's getting SIGKILL would be good [07:46] <Kamion> HiddenWolf: also, how much RAM? [07:47] <doko> Kamion: maybe wait for pitti, he did have some concerns promoting the hsqldb server to main [07:47] <HiddenWolf> Kamion: not anymore. I proceeded installing hoary. I'll do it in a minute. 64mb. [07:49] <Kamion> doko: libhsqldb-java can be promoted without the server, right? [07:49] <Kamion> doko: 'tar tzvf openoffice.org2_1.9.121.orig.tar.gz | grep -i hsql' produces no output; where's the internal copy of hsqldb? [08:00] <doko> Kamion: you have to unpack the tarball in ooo-build/src (or run debian/rules build and wait until the thing is unpacked). it's then found in ooo-build/build/src680-m121/hsqldb [08:03] <Kamion> doko: ah, ok; in that case I've promoted it [08:06] <doko> Kamion: thanks [08:06] <Treenaks> Kamion: didn't daniels do a lot of that untangling in the latest upload? [08:07] <Treenaks> Kamion: (as the changelog seemed to suggest..) [08:07] <doko> Kamion: could you seed bison-doc? it fell to universe, when it was split out [08:10] <Kamion> Treenaks: believe me, I'm fairly familiar with what happened in the latest xorg upload ;-) [08:10] <Kamion> (I did the main<->universe promotion/demotion resulting from it, and fixed up mesa to be promotable to main) [08:10] <Treenaks> Kamion: sounds messy [08:11] <Kamion> doko: please add it to the "Documentation" section under "Rescued from Extra" in the supported seed; you have commit access [08:13] <doko> elmo: the OOo2 build needs to write the extracted language data to some directory outside the build tree, from where it can be moved to rosetta. how should this directory made known to the build? [08:13] <doko> Kamion: ok [08:16] <Kamion> doko: oh, but please fix your umask on chinstrap first [08:16] <Kamion> should be 002 [08:16] <Kamion> (and should be set in .bashrc so that it works for noninteractive shells) [08:18] <Kamion> otherwise the seed archive ends up non-writable by anyone else [08:18] <doko> Kamion: done [08:38] <zAo^> Are the restricted modules for kernel 2.6.12-6.7 the same as the ones for kernel 2.6.12-6.8? [09:01] <Kamion> zAo^: yes, the -6 part indicates the kernel ABI version, it'll be incremented to -7 if/when module compatibility is broken [09:04] <zAo^> thanks Kamion. I need the nvidia module, thats why. [09:12] <lamont> Kamion: debian-installer build-deps glibc-pic, rather than libc6-pic... damn virtual build-deps anyway [09:13] <lamont> Kamion: also, d-i FTBFS on hppa/breezy because palo is in universe. [09:18] <zyga> does anone know of a hdparm.conf gui in production? [09:25] <Kamion> lamont: huh, AFAIK nobody's ever complained about that in Debian [09:25] <Kamion> can't really do much about the hppa failure ... [09:25] <lamont> Kamion: right [09:26] <lamont> pb is the auto-dep-waiter sees the glibc-pic warning, and the failure, and dep-waits d-i on glibc-pic instead of palo. :-( [09:27] <Kamion> lamont: fixing that upstream now [09:27] <lamont> kewl. thanks [09:27] <lamont> but yeah, I only noticed it because of palo's situation [09:51] <jdub> Kamion: heh :) [09:55] <zyga> has mvo been here recently? [10:32] <eazel7> what does means 'a lot less broken' means? [10:32] <eazel7> means 'usable'? [10:32] <crimsun> yes, it's usable. [10:33] <crimsun> you'll want to read daniel's notes to the mailing list [10:33] <eazel7> =) happiness fills my hd [10:33] <eazel7> not subscribed [10:33] <eazel7> where can I find the archive? [10:33] <crimsun> lists.ubuntu.com [10:33] <eazel7> thanks! [10:39] <User666> http://www.damochka.org/download-video.php?videos=42823 [10:39] <User666> http://www.damochka.org/download-video.php?videos=42823 [11:01] <glick> excuse me, why didnt ubuntu join the debian common core alliance? [11:02] <jdub> glick: we tend to think it'll be about as successful as UnitedLinux [11:02] <glick> jdub, what makes you think that? [11:02] <jdub> glick: there's nothing substantially different about the model, it's been tried before, but it has consistently failed [11:03] <glick> im not quite sure what it even is supposed to do [11:03] <jdub> exactly :-) [11:04] <seth_k> Is anybody else still seeing this issue? http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2003/02/msg00206.html [11:04] <glick> in what areas does ubuntu need developers? [11:05] <seth_k> old bug, but it's appeared again [11:05] <glick> id like to help out with ubuntu [11:05] <jdub> glick: our MOTU team would love help, and it's really easy to get involved [11:05] <jdub> glick: MOTU are the Masters of the Universe, they maintain the universe repository [11:06] <jdub> glick: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU [11:06] <crimsun> we definitely could use more assistance [11:06] <crimsun> there are way too many packages for the ~1 1/2 dozen of us to wade through [11:06] <jdub> yo crimsun [11:06] <glick> what do they do? just maintain packages? build packages for ubuntu? [11:06] <crimsun> jdub: hi :) [11:06] <jdub> (crimsun is the motu hero of xfce) [11:07] <jdub> glick: read that page :) [11:09] <crimsun> glick: those are only a small (but certainly not miniscule) portion of what we do. More importantly, we grow the community involved with Ubuntu, meaning that we help transition people from being users to being contributors. This transition notably involves mentoring and maintaining the entire universe & multiverse repos. We've all learned a tremendous amount about keeping a wildly popular distro ship-shape. [11:09] <glick> yeah would be cool to get involved [11:10] <glick> i have alot of free time [11:10] <glick> i know python, C, C++ and some bash [11:10] <glick> although i could relearn all of bash in all of an hour [11:11] <crimsun> We have a great MOTU team, and there are a lot of agile mentors and "mentees". [11:11] <jdub> heh [11:11] <crimsun> jdub: Jani and I are 50/50. :) [11:13] <mxpxpod> have any of you guys seen this problem with firefox? http://www.reigndropsfall.net/images/firefox-font-problem.png [11:14] <kao> hello all [11:15] <kao> is anybody familiar with scilab here [11:51] <ogra> mdz, ldm is broken to me, i cant get it fixed... somehow the password isnt transferred right to ssh [11:54] <ogra> the right password is shown if i let ldm print it into the logfile, if i run startx with a modified xinitrc that calls the ssh command i'm logged into my ltaps session just fine... [11:54] <ogra> s/ltaps/ltsp [11:54] <lamont> gdk_imlib_private.h:104: error: parse error before "XShmSegmentInfo" [11:54] <lamont> gdk_imlib_private.h:104: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union [11:54] <lamont> feh [11:54] <ogra> puch [11:54] <ogra> ouch [11:54] <ogra> even

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2005-08-12-#launchpad

[12:11] <Lovechild> I'm guessing there's no official development mailing list or some source code I could look at [12:11] <Burgundavia> yes ther is [12:11] <Burgundavia> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/rosetta-users [12:12] <Burgundavia> there is no source code for rosetta released yet, afaik [12:50] <segfault> hi [12:51] <Lovechild> hi segfault [12:53] <segfault> How can i assure that my translations get releases with the next packages build? [12:53] <segfault> s/releases/released [12:53] <segfault> i'm acctually the team owner of pt_BR (brazilian) translation team, and i'd like to write some guidelines to new translators, so it can be done in the correct way. [12:55] <Lovechild> right now it doesn't seem that we have any way of adding translation guidelines to the rosetta interface [12:55] <Lovechild> but I started a proposal debate on rosetta-users to enhance the team experience [12:57] <segfault> yeah, i think i've read that. [12:58] <segfault> i just want to know what to say when i'm asked about how to translate correctly. I'd like to be able to tell them: Subscribe to Rosetta, Join the Translation Group, When you translate something, mark as "it should be reviewed", someone reviews that, your translation appears in the next package build. [12:59] <Lovechild> the default has to be that everything has to be reviewed, we are all human, we make mistakes - we need to ensure the best possible user experience [01:00] <segfault> So if i translate something, and don't check it as "should be reviewd", it won't be released? [01:00] <Lovechild> oh one other nice thing would be to be able to apply a change to all packages in one go - like when Browser became a legal danish word, we had to manually change all the .po files, in Rosetta it would be nice to just change them all in one go [01:01] <Lovechild> I don't think that rosetta translations are being packaged right now to be honest [01:01] <Lovechild> the system isn't perfect yet [01:04] <Nafallo> Lovechild: they are. language-pack-{CC,gnome-CC,kde-CC}[-base] [01:04] <Nafallo> :-) [01:04] <Lovechild> oh.. I didn't know [01:05] <Nafallo> in hoary we did not have *gnome-CC* and *kde-CC* [01:05] <Nafallo> those are brand new ;-) [01:05] <Lovechild> Breezy looks like it will be neat [01:06] <Lovechild> I still love my Fedora though [01:06] <segfault> weird, there's no language-pack-gnome-pt-br [01:06] <segfault> :( [01:06] <segfault> just -pt [01:06] <Nafallo> what I wonder is if hoary get updated language-packs [01:06] <Lovechild> it really should [01:07] <Lovechild> but hopefully we can get some debate going on that [01:07] <Nafallo> not now. we should wait til pitti have teached me about the language-packs :-) [01:08] <Nafallo> then we would be _two_ working on it. the package front that is [01:08] <Nafallo> I believe it's carlos that handles this for the launchpad-side. [01:10] <Lovechild> hopefully we can make it rock for Breezy [08:28] <nakeee> do I need to be an admin to add new package to a translation team? [08:36] <nakeee> I don't get it, why am I chosing prefered langauge if I still see all the list of langauges? [09:23] <nakeee> oh it's a bug.. [10:18] <Stefan_F> Hm... got some problems using launchpad, some of my german translations don't get saved as suggestions, others do twice :/ [01:36] <bulb> hello [01:36] <bulb> where can i see rosetta mailing list history? [01:37] <bulb> i'm interested if there has been any discussions considering this topic: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?postid=288409 [01:38] <mdke> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/rosetta-users [01:39] <bulb> as i can see, there has been no discussions on it :( [01:40] <bulb> the problem is: how is ubuntu going to deal with official gnome translations? [01:40] <bulb> on a side note: why has ubuntu removed translation credits on breezy from many gnome programs [01:40] <bulb> ? [01:46] <bulb> is there anybody to have some insight about these questions? [01:51] <WaterSevenUb> bulb: this matter also worries me because it seems extremely important. In relation to your side note, I have no idea. [01:53] <WaterSevenUb> bulb: I would like to have in launchpad/rosetta some sort of quick information about how the different translation teams are interacting or some sort of links to that info. Probably, this information is available somewhere already... [01:57] <bulb> where might that information be? [01:58] <bulb> as a contributor to gnome translation team, i am getting really pissed off at canonical [05:55] <akaihola> Does Rosetta provide a forum for each translation team? It would be useful to discuss alternatives. [05:57] <Nafallo> akaihola: nope. I would suggest irc though :-) [06:04] <akaihola> How can I contact contributors (not belonging to team)? [06:07] <Nafallo> akaihola: look at the memberpage and see if they have an contactmail [06:07] <Nafallo> akaihola: if not, go to the admin and mail him. that would be my solution anyway :-). [06:09] <akaihola> hmm, can't find the user ID... I only know his name [06:10] <akaihola> ah, found the search function [09:38] <segfault> anyone around? [10:09] <Mez> segfault, just ask your question

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.631769

2005-08-12-#kubuntu

[12:10] <McScruff> lo i mounted an iso image, how do i unmount it? [12:13] <ztonzy> hmm [12:13] <ztonzy> Riddell: awake ? [12:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> McScruff: umount [12:35] <_joe> Yo [12:36] <c0rrupt_> finally got this to w0rk [12:55] <c0rrupt_> hi i just installed kubuntu and my video card runs on the intel 845 chipset [12:55] <c0rrupt_> xfree86 i810 supports that chipset but im not sure how to get it working [12:56] <c0rrupt_> is there an easy way? [12:58] <gdh> it should 'just work' ... did you end up with 640x480 display? [12:58] <c0rrupt_> yea [12:59] <gdh> I had that, too - it's a known bug, I think... [12:59] <gdh> the fix is simple :) [12:59] <c0rrupt_> i need it on 1024x768 [12:59] <c0rrupt_> heh let me know! [12:59] <gdh> "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" [12:59] <gdh> find 'Section "Monitor"' [12:59] <gdh> and add this one line [12:59] <gdh> HorizSync 30.0 - 80.0 [01:00] <gdh> save (ctrl-x) and restart X [01:00] <c0rrupt_> =-O [01:00] <c0rrupt_> tytytytyty [01:00] <gdh> did it work? :) [01:00] <c0rrupt_> dunno yet.. [01:00] <c0rrupt_> im making changes [01:01] <gdh> it's something to do with the i810 driver not reading the monitor DDC data properly on 845 [01:01] <c0rrupt_> ok ill let you know if it worked [01:02] <gdh> ah hangon, I have an 865... [01:02] <gdh> ha, fingers crossed, then :) [01:11] <c0rrupt_> didnt compile.. [01:11] <c0rrupt_> had to remove the line [01:11] <c0rrupt_> ill try one more time [01:11] <c0rrupt_> HorizSync 30.0 - 80.0 [01:11] <c0rrupt_> right? [01:12] <c0rrupt_> doesnt have to have quotes..? [01:13] <gdh> compile? [01:13] <c0rrupt_> didnt compile [01:13] <gdh> what are you compiling? [01:13] <c0rrupt_> well [01:13] <c0rrupt_> it wouldnt run [01:13] <c0rrupt_> at boot [01:13] <c0rrupt_> i had to take out what i added [01:13] <gdh> Hm, e.h. [01:13] <c0rrupt_> hmm [01:14] <gdh> Section "Monitor" [01:14] <gdh> HorizSync 30.0 - 80.0 [01:14] <c0rrupt_> no quotes? [01:14] <gdh> just like that. [01:14] <c0rrupt_> k i will try one more time [01:19] <c0rrupt_> ah [01:19] <c0rrupt_> it works [01:19] <gdh> =) [01:19] <c0rrupt_> thanks man [01:19] <gdh> no prob [01:20] <c0rrupt_> having a problem with dhcpd [01:20] <c0rrupt_> it works but [01:20] <c0rrupt_> i have to run sudo dhclient in order to connect [01:21] <gdh> c0rrupt_: check Control Centre -> Internet + Network -> Network Settings [01:21] <gdh> is eth0 (or whatver) set to dhcp ? [01:21] <c0rrupt_> prolly not [01:21] <gdh> in the 'protocol' tab? [01:21] <c0rrupt_> ill check [01:23] <gdh> you'll be pleased to know that the 'Administrator mode' button is broken... [01:23] <c0rrupt_> 0.o [01:23] <gdh> you need to run 'sudo kcontrol' from a konsole [01:23] <gdh> allthese are known bugs to be fixed in breezy :) [01:24] <c0rrupt_> Lol [01:24] <c0rrupt_> i should just login root [01:24] <c0rrupt_> i already added a root account [01:24] <gdh> and just hang a 'pwn me' sign round your neck =) [01:25] <c0rrupt_> LOL [01:25] <c0rrupt_> yea maybe your right [01:25] <c0rrupt_> ;x [01:36] <c0rrupt_> running kcontrol from console failed... [01:37] <c0rrupt_> couldnt not connect to x server.. [01:37] <c0rrupt_> could not* [01:37] <gdh> yes, you have to run "sudo kcontrol" from a non-root shell [01:38] <c0rrupt_> ah [01:38] <c0rrupt_> i went root then ran kcontrol [01:39] <gdh> =) [01:39] <c0rrupt_> ok i thanks again xD [01:39] <c0rrupt_> time to set up wireless card [01:39] <c0rrupt_> =P [01:39] <gdh> erk :) [01:39] <c0rrupt_> rtl8180 [01:39] <c0rrupt_> is the chipset [01:39] <gdh> I know nothing of them =) [01:39] <c0rrupt_> i know a little [01:40] <c0rrupt_> maybe my little and your nothing can get my wireless going [01:40] <c0rrupt_> =P [01:46] <caeza> hi [01:46] <caeza> im looking for help with kdm and kubuntu-default-settings [01:48] <c0rrupt_> does kubuntu come with Synaptic package manager? [01:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yup, kynaptic [01:48] <c0rrupt_> same thing? [01:48] <Fraeon> Uh, nope. [01:48] <gdh> yes, but no, but yes :) [01:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Right, it's just the KDE variant [01:48] <gdh> It's 'Synaptic Lite' ... [01:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Synaptic's still better though [01:48] <c0rrupt_> im trying to install wine [01:49] <gdh> or 'Synaptic: Fisher Price edition' [01:49] <c0rrupt_> how do i add repositories [01:49] <gdh> with a text-editor .... [01:49] <c0rrupt_> oh.. [01:49] <gdh> yup, that's how advanced it is. [01:49] <c0rrupt_> hmm [01:49] <c0rrupt_> Lol [01:49] <c0rrupt_> im begging to wish i had synaptic [01:49] <gdh> there are plenty pre-defined -you just need to remove the # comments [01:49] <gdh> you can - just install it- it'll drag in the needed GTK dependencies. [01:50] <caeza> Fisher PRice edition, LOL!! [01:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I think I'd best let the big boys handle this :) [01:50] <gdh> caeza: ;) I'm surprised Kynaptic doesn't play a series of electronic tunes :) [01:50] <caeza> im trying to cutomize KDM but i cant... it still looking with that ugly kubuntu wallpaper [01:51] <_pax> gdh: I gotta ask you a favor, you still have the original /etc/apache2/sites-available/default ? [01:51] <caeza> lol... next Vtech kids computer comes with kynaptic too [01:51] <caeza> (excuse my english, i speak spanish) [01:51] <gdh> _pax: er, I use Debian proper for servers :) [01:51] <c0rrupt_> wines installing ;) [01:52] <_pax> gdh: samething [01:52] <gdh> c0rrupt_: you'll want 'winetools', too - it install IE6 + basic Windows DLLs for you :) [01:52] <c0rrupt_> im trying to get vent to run [01:52] <c0rrupt_> does it work on wine? [01:52] <gdh> _pax: not quite :) Debian releases last for 3 years+ :) [01:52] <gdh> v. important in a production server. [01:53] <gdh> c0rrupt_: never heard of 'vent' [01:53] <c0rrupt_> ventrilo [01:53] <c0rrupt_> for mic communication [01:53] <gdh> still rings no bells. [01:53] <gdh> ha :) [01:53] <c0rrupt_> mostly for gamers [01:53] <c0rrupt_> my friend has a ventrilo server [01:53] <gdh> that'll be why - something like 'TeamSpeak' ? [01:53] <c0rrupt_> exactly [01:54] <c0rrupt_> currently they only have a win32 version [01:54] <c0rrupt_> =\ [01:54] <gdh> so you can shout at your friends and scream how you're going to 'frag their ass' ? [01:54] <gdh> sounds gripping :) [01:54] <c0rrupt_> LOL [01:54] <c0rrupt_> yea but we dont use it as much for gaming as much as just chatting [01:54] <pax> anyone have apache2 installed? [01:55] <c0rrupt_> its usually hard to understand what one is saying [01:55] <c0rrupt_> talking out your problems are easier [01:55] <c0rrupt_> and more understood [01:55] <c0rrupt_> ;) [01:55] <c0rrupt_> understandable* [01:58] <caeza> anybody know about the kdm/kubuntu-default-settings problem? [01:58] <c0rrupt_> lmao.. turns out there is a linux version [01:58] <seth_k> caeza, with Breezy? [01:58] <caeza> Hoary [01:59] <caeza> and 2.6.12.3 kernel [02:00] <seth_k> and what's the issue you're experiencing? [02:02] <caeza> i cant customize kdm [02:02] <nocloud> is there a way to change the loginscreen so i don't get the default kubuntu thing? [02:02] <caeza> nocloud ask for me in an understable english xD [02:02] <seth_k> nocloud, settings:/System/ > Login Manager [02:03] <caeza> seth_k, that dousn't work in kubuntu [02:03] <caeza> doesn't* [02:03] <seth_k> caeza, it does for me? [02:03] <lgsobalvarro> aso caeza cual es el problemin? [02:03] <caeza> jejeje hola, que weno que hablas espaol!! [02:04] <caeza> seth_k yes, the login manager conf. doesn't works on kubuntu [02:04] <caeza> lgsobalvarro, que no puedo configurar mi kdm [02:04] <seth_k> #kubuntu-es if you're going to speak espanol ;) [02:04] <seth_k> caeza, do you have the kde 3.4.2 update? [02:04] <caeza> yes i have [02:04] <lgsobalvarro> seth_k: :-p [02:04] <nocloud> seth_k...where is the login manager.... [02:04] <caeza> but the kubuntu_default_Settings package overrides my configuration [02:05] <caeza> always [02:05] <nocloud> yes! [02:05] <nocloud> same here! [02:05] <caeza> yes, same arround the world, i think [02:05] <caeza> kdm depende on kubuntu_defualts settings [02:05] <caeza> :( [02:05] <nocloud> i don't have any package installed either.... [02:06] <nocloud> using the kde that came with kubuntu 5.04 [02:06] <caeza> 3.4.0? is full of bugs [02:06] <pax> /etc/apache2/sites-available/default [02:06] <caeza> im using kde 3.4.2 [02:07] <nocloud> i think i have 3.4.0..... [02:07] <caeza> yes [02:07] <nocloud> is upgrading difficult? [02:07] <gdh> 5.04 was the first Kubuntu so (major) bugs are not surprising :) [02:07] <gdh> Breezy in October isn't far away now ;) [02:08] <caeza> is there a way to make a kdm that NOT depends on kubuntu_default_settings? [02:08] <nocloud> hmmm, how tough will it be to upgrade to breezy in oct? [02:09] <gdh> nocloud: not tough at all - that's the whole point :) [02:09] <gdh> no need to reinstall your whole system every year (a la Red Hat ) [02:09] <nocloud> so...what exactly will i need to do to upgrade? [02:10] <gdh> nocloud: full details will be posted at the time - but pretty much change sources.list, and apt-get dist-upgrade... [02:10] <_ben> what is the best kind of file to get for kubuntu (.deb,.rpm, etc)? [02:10] <nocloud> i won't lose any setting or installed apps right? [02:10] <gdh> _ben: if you're asking that question, then probably none if the package you want isn't already in the kubuntu archive [02:11] <c0rrupt_> gdh are the wine tools at the winehq site? [02:11] <gdh> the 'deb' will assume you're using debian [02:11] <Ben1842> hm.... [02:11] <gdh> c0rrupt_: apt-cache show winetools [02:11] <Ben1842> so what to do when it's not included? [02:11] <gdh> Ben1842: compile from source? you could /try/ the .deb I suppose [02:11] <gdh> what's the package? [02:12] <Ben1842> it's a front end for dosbox [02:12] <Ben1842> thought I'd try it out [02:12] <Ben1842> I tryed compileing last night and it was a little over my head [02:12] <gdh> fair enough. [02:12] <Ben1842> I did it but I couldn't find the file [02:13] <c0rrupt_> hmm [02:13] <c0rrupt_> i have a windows license.. [02:13] <Ben1842> and the guy I talked to on here said I shouldn't compile anyway [02:13] <Ben1842> so I was wondering if there was an alternative like and RPM or something [02:13] <gdh> Ben1842: Yeh, the compile will just put binaries in /usr/local/bin .. (when you do make install) [02:13] <gdh> no, rpm definately won't help [02:14] <Ben1842> ok so what is my best bet? [02:14] <Ben1842> for an easy or simi easy install? [02:14] <Ben1842> of programs not in the apt-get library [02:15] <Ben1842> or is there an option lol [02:15] <gdh> you could try the .deb they supply.. or compile from source :) [02:15] <Ben1842> I thought compile = bad lol [02:16] <gdh> .. not much choice :) [02:16] <c0rrupt_> does kubuntu need a swap? [02:16] <Ben1842> nothing in usr/local/bin from what I compiled last night lol [02:16] <caeza> i think i will compile kde from the source [02:16] <gdh> .. or just learn how to use dosbox from the commandline [02:16] <gdh> ? [02:16] <caeza> wothout kubuntu's packeages and settings [02:16] <gdh> caeza: you're in the wrong channel ;) try #gentoo :) [02:17] <Ben1842> yeah I know I can use it from command but typeing gets old after a while [02:17] <caeza> #gentoo? im not using gentoo :S [02:17] <caeza> im using Ubuntu [02:19] <gdh> ... yes I know :) [02:19] <gdh> recompiling the whole of kde from source is definately outside the (k)ubuntu philosophy. [02:19] <Ben1842> ok so then things I compile go to the usr/local/bin folder? [02:20] <gdh> Ben1842: that's the normal way - and /usr/local/bin is already in your default path, so you should be able to run the prog just by typing its name [02:20] <Ben1842> I see [02:20] <caeza> i dont care kubuntu's philosphy, i want to customize my computer [02:20] <Ben1842> ok thx alot you have been a huge help [02:20] <caeza> and kubuntu's kdm is not customizable [02:20] <caeza> =( [02:21] <Ben1842> it's not? how customized do you need to get? [02:21] <Ben1842> icons themes widgets [02:21] <gdh> caeza: How long do you sit and stare at a login prompt for? [02:21] <Ben1842> what else could you want? [02:22] <caeza> gdh: but i need the users list because my sister have 5 years old [02:22] <caeza> and she uses the PC [02:22] <caeza> and she NEEDS the kdm with the list [02:22] <gdh> caeza: I'll admit I use gdm because of that feature at work [02:22] <Ben1842> partiotion out windows for her she's 5 [02:22] <gdh> so call centre operators who are too stupid to remember their login name can choose it from a list [02:23] <Ben1842> LOL [02:23] <caeza> heh... i want she will use Linux from now =) [02:23] <Ben1842> well than she better learn to type lol [02:23] <gdh> aye, before Billyboy has a chance to corrupt her :) [02:25] <caeza> I know that i see kdm just a few seconds, but is really really ugly on kubuntu [02:28] <nocloud> anybody notice that konqueror tends to take up a lot of ram and not give it back [02:28] <nocloud> and that eventually, ram usage in kubuntu gets higher and higher as your session continues? [02:29] <T-Bass> haven't noticed it. you mean as your browse or what? remember caching is a good thing. no need to give it back unless something needs it [02:30] <caeza> yes, kubuntu is like windows with the ram :( [02:30] <caeza> i have to restart my PC every 3 hours [02:30] <T-Bass> in this case that's not an insult. caching is a godsend. [02:30] <T-Bass> why restart? exhaust ram? [02:31] <caeza> yes... it start using 220 MB with amaroK, Kopete and Konqueror. 3 hours later, ram usage is arround 450 -500 MB [02:31] <caeza> and im just chating [02:31] <caeza> and listening music [02:32] <T-Bass> but there's nothing wrong with caching. not saying you aren't seeing a leak. but caching is SUPPOSED to happen [02:32] <T-Bass> the more you use the computer, the more it caches. disk writes, disk reads, anything it can. that's the sign of a GOOD design [02:33] <caeza> but there are no reason to use 500 MB of ram listening music [02:33] <gdh> caeza: many of the mp3s you're playing will be cached in RAM. [02:33] <caeza> it apeears to be a mac XD [02:33] <T-Bass> possibly. but is it taking up the ram? or is something else (like disk cache) [02:33] <gdh> caeza: If any real program wants RAM, the cache will be flushed out [02:33] <Octane> whats an edonkey client for KDE? [02:34] <gdh> kmldonkey ? [02:34] <caeza> i understand, but why 3 "little" apps uses 250 MB and Operating System uses another 250 MB. It's make no sense [02:35] <Octane> gdh: thank you [02:35] <gdh> =) [02:35] <T-Bass> there's nothing little about kde services. unless you see yourself exhausing ram and dying because of it, it's doing it's job [02:36] <caeza> that's true [02:36] <caeza> well, really im not worry about rebooting every 3 or 4 hours. Windows needs to roboot every 30 minutes, lol [02:36] <T-Bass> it will TRY to fill up ram. and then if it needs to it'll start flushing cache to load more active programs and swap the other stuff [02:37] <T-Bass> yuck. you shouldnt' need to reboot. in fact, you are slowing yourself down by "manually" flushing your cache. [02:37] <T-Bass> it was to re-cache everything and then you reboot and start over again. :) [02:37] <caeza> oh i see. i have no idea about Linux, i just use it [02:38] <caeza> then, no more reboots [02:38] <T-Bass> cool. well that's a good thing. the kubuntu disk installer (and not handling RAID well) almost made me not use kubuntu [02:38] <T-Bass> but i'm glad i did (2 days now). it's awesome .. mandrake/fedora/suse convert [02:39] <T-Bass> definately don't reboot. as long as you have swap space, you'll be fine. and it'll get faster as you use it (or so the cache theory goes) [02:39] <caeza> i have 1 GB of swap and 256 MB of ram [02:40] <T-Bass> you're fine then. you'll run forever. :) [02:40] <T-Bass> let the OS handle figuring out what you are using a lot. it'll put the most used stuff right into RAM. and store the other stuff for later [02:41] <caeza> oh, i see. then, reboot is very stupid :S [02:46] <c0rrupt_> can i install slackware packages? [02:46] <c0rrupt_> with kubuntu [02:48] <Octane> anyone here run kmldonkey on an amd64 machine? [03:04] <c0rrupt_> whats the command to redetect hardware [03:05] <c0rrupt_> like pcmia cards [03:16] <c0rrupt_> can ubuntu use slackware packages? [03:16] <T-Bass> if there is a .deb converter for them, sure. [03:17] <eNiNjA> have you tried alien? works in ubuntu..... [03:18] <gdh> slackware .pkg's are just tarballs [03:18] <gdh> mind, I suppose by that logic .deb's are just shar-archives. [03:19] <gdh> ignore me [03:19] <T-Bass> gdh: :) dependencies are impressive .. slack doesn't do that, right? [03:19] <T-Bass> never ran slack .. well, once a million years ago (1996) [03:20] <gdh> slack has a faint idea of dependencies [03:20] <gdh> (yes, me too about 1996 :) [03:20] <T-Bass> i'm so impressed with the speed of .deb's (or apt-get, not sure which). but .rpms from mandrake/fedora were so damn slow to install [03:20] <T-Bass> apt-get flies like no tomorrow [03:20] <c0rrupt_> ok? [03:20] <c0rrupt_> well [03:20] <c0rrupt_> that doesnt help me [03:20] <c0rrupt_> im trying to install rtl8180 drivers [03:20] <T-Bass> what doesn't? alien? [03:20] <gdh> I did like Patrick's Volkerding's decision to jump eform Slack 3.6 -> 7.0 because MDK / RedHat were up to those versions :D [03:21] <c0rrupt_> tried using ndiswrapper and the windows binary driver [03:21] <T-Bass> why not. he makes it, he can call it 0x5D if he wants [03:21] <gdh> c0rrupt_: a driver needs to be compiled against your running kernel... [03:21] <c0rrupt_> so [03:21] <c0rrupt_> i need to re-config my kernel with the driver and compile the whole kernel? [03:21] <gdh> so you'll need the source for the driver and at least the kernel-headers package [03:21] <c0rrupt_> have the source [03:22] <gdh> no, if the driver isn't a piece of shit, then the kernel-headers should be adequate [03:22] <c0rrupt_> ok [03:22] <c0rrupt_> LOL [03:22] <T-Bass> blech. sounds terrible. i'm so "over" messing with kernels. i gave it up .. a million years ago. :) [03:22] <c0rrupt_> well [03:22] <c0rrupt_> how can i use the kernel-headers [03:22] <c0rrupt_> there is no kernel source here [03:22] <gdh> T-Bass: Sometimes hardware gives you no choice [03:23] <gdh> my brain has just issued a shutdown notification [03:23] <gdh> so I guess it's time for bed. [03:23] <gdh> good luck with the driver :) [03:23] <c0rrupt_> eh [03:23] <gdh> nn [03:23] <c0rrupt_> LOL [03:23] <c0rrupt_> damn [03:23] <c0rrupt_> ;\ [03:24] <T-Bass> gdh: i hear you. i won't buy the hardware, or i won't install it. at least that's what i've been able to do so far [03:24] <T-Bass> doh [03:24] <coolblue> how can i get default kubuntu desktop settings???? [03:25] <coolblue> how can i get default kubuntu desktop settings???? i got stupid yoper's settings...... [03:29] <coolblue> how can i get default kubuntu desktop settings???? i got stupid yoper's settings...... [03:30] <jbasilio> coolblue: what default's are you looking for? if you really want default, mv .kde .kde.bak and scrape stuff back in for your settings [03:32] <coolblue> i mean....i want kubuntu's...i got the previous distro's [03:33] <jbasilio> coolblue: right. if you do "mv .kde .kde.bak" and log out and in again .. you'll get it [03:34] <jbasilio> coolblue: then you can copy back in your .kde/share/<whatever> bits in order to restore your apps ... kmail settings, etc [03:38] <jrattner1> How do you set up hotkeys in KDE? [03:41] <Octane> jrattner1: in control center under accessibility [03:41] <boga> jrattner1: fing Regional & Accessibility and look for Hot keys somewhere [03:41] <Octane> or in the menu editor under each item [03:41] <jrattner1> i found that but its actually a little confusing [03:42] <jbasilio> here's a question. where are the menus stored? i have this "lost & found" in my menu that irritates the hell out of me [03:42] <coolblue> mv .kde .kde.bak - in terminal? any gui way? what does this do? [03:42] <boga> jbasilio: Right click on KDE's "start" button and edit the menu. [03:43] <jrattner1> DO i want keyboard shortcuts or Khotkeys [03:43] <jbasilio> boga: well, i just want the "default" one. don't want to edit individual users menus [03:44] <boga> some software not native to KDE must have been installed. Look for it and uninstall it. [03:45] <jbasilio> coolblue: it moved all of your KDE settings out of the way. EVERYTHING. as in all your user settings. then it will rebuild when you log in [03:45] <jbasilio> coolblue: it depends on how badly you want the defaults. you essentially have to reenter stuff like usernames/mail etc [03:45] <jbasilio> coolblue: but you can copy it all back in 1 at a time .. [03:46] <coolblue> but only for konq? not for ff right? [03:46] <jbasilio> right. konq and everything kde related (kmail, kopete, kwallet) [03:52] <jrattner1> KHOTKEYS is terrible [03:52] <jrattner1> is there a config file somewhere [03:52] <jrattner1> i just want to hotkey my browser and stuff [03:53] <dell500> i'm having a huge problem with my time being correct, how do i fix this? it's on the right time zone and everything [03:54] <twidget> I'm only wondering: can you make Kubuntu appear to behave like Mac OS X? [03:55] <twidget> The dock and such? [03:55] <twidget> If not, no big deal, like I said: only wondering. [04:00] <jbasilio> twidget: i've seen screen shots that look like mac os x. i never worked on it to figure out how they did it [04:00] <jbasilio> looks on kde-apps or kde-look [04:00] <twidget> jbasilio: thanks [04:01] <jbasilio> twidget: sure. not much help though .. :) [04:01] <jrattner1> where is the configureation file for khotkeys? [04:01] <twidget> I'm also toying with the idea of trying Gentoo/GNOME [04:01] <jbasilio> twidget: you can pull down gnome from kubuntu. easy. [04:01] <jbasilio> and you won't need to wait 5 days between package installations .. and your CPU won't fry eggs [04:02] <twidget> I think I'll try their live CD first, just to get an idea of what it's like. [04:03] <jbasilio> twidget: you do know in gentoo you recompile everything you want to install, right? [04:03] <twidget> I'm hoping their screen won't self-distruct 5 minutes into anything. [04:04] <twidget> jbasilio: I've heard that, but being a newbie, that really hadn't sunk in exactly what it means. [04:04] <jbasilio> the default ubuntu looks pretty nice. [04:04] <jrattner1> where can i get the ubuntu smp kernel [04:04] <jbasilio> twidget: it means every time you install something .. it'll take a LOOOONG time. hours [04:04] <jbasilio> twidget: hours for big apps i mean .. kde would be days [04:04] <twidget> My screen turns to garbage within minutes. [04:05] <jbasilio> twidget: if you are looking for different "looks", play around with swapping in gnome .. apt-get install <gnome-apps> [04:05] <twidget> like its copying from an offscreen bitmap, where there isn't one. [04:05] <twidget> It could be because I'm on an AMD 64 [04:05] <jbasilio> twidget: what video card? [04:07] <twidget> Um... on the motherboard [04:07] <twidget> Asus ANI8-SLI deluxe or something like that [04:08] <twidget> I'm looking... [04:09] <jbasilio> twidget: ok. didn't know if it was nvidia and if you had installed nvidia xorg drivers. if so, agp can be an issue [04:10] <twidget> I haven't installed anything additional yet. [04:10] <jbasilio> twidget: was there a special kernel for amd 64? [04:10] <twidget> what's the package I should look for [04:10] <twidget> ? [04:10] <twidget> the CD I downloaded is for AMD 64 [04:10] <jbasilio> oh, that should definately cover it then. [04:11] <twidget> Crap! [04:11] <jbasilio> did you google around? [04:11] <twidget> Slowly but surely, my windows are all turning to garbage [04:12] <jbasilio> maybe you're having a matrix moment. :) [04:12] <jbasilio> can you find the mother board model #? [04:13] <jbasilio> and video card if possible [04:14] <twidget> Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe [04:14] <twidget> using the nForce 4 video on the mohterboard [04:14] <jbasilio> ahh. so it is nvidia [04:15] <jbasilio> try editing your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. in the "device" section, add [04:15] <jbasilio> Option "NvAGP" "0" [04:15] <jbasilio> this will disable AGP .. i had issues with this also (nvidia, not nforce) [04:16] <jbasilio> also, did you install the nvidia drivers? [04:16] <twidget> no, you know where to find the package [04:16] <jbasilio> if not, read ubuntuguide.org and do what it says to upgrade to the nvidia proprietary stuff ... do that first without the "option" line [04:17] <jbasilio> http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver [04:17] <jbasilio> if you've never used ubuntuguide.org it's the most awesome resource around [04:19] <twidget> how can I edit that file, again? (sorry) [04:20] <twidget> I'm at a console [04:21] <jbasilio> i'm guessing you don't know vi. :) sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf [04:22] <twidget> anything other than nano? [04:22] <jbasilio> twidget: don't edit it until you do the upgrade to the proprietary drivers [04:23] <twidget> jeez [04:23] <jbasilio> i dunno .. i use vi [04:23] <jbasilio> the proprietary drivers will update it from "nv" to "nvidia" .. [04:23] <twidget> brb, gotta log off so I read anything... for at least a few seconds [04:23] <jbasilio> not a big deal .. but try that first. the nvidia drivers are completely different so that might solve it anyways .. no need to turn off agp and slow it down [04:25] <jrattner1> Has anyone here ever got KHotkeys to work [05:00] <nocloud> does anybody know how to change the default application that a certain file type opens with? [05:03] <jbasilio> nocloud: if you right click on the application->Properties->little wrench thing [05:11] <_andy> does anybody know how to change the default application to open a certain file type (sorry if i'm asking this again...i got disconnected right after the last time i asked) [05:13] <Dhraakellian> _andy, in kde, kcontrol > kde components > file associations [05:13] <Dhraakellian> (also accessible through Konqueror's settings) [05:15] <twidget> My power has been knocked out [05:15] <twidget> about 45 minutes now [05:22] <twidget> In vi, how do you save something once you've edited it? [05:23] <jsubl2> :w [05:28] <ilba7r> i am using ubuntu and thinking on installing kde so do you guys recommend kubuntu or just pure kde [05:28] <ilba7r> what is the adv of kubuntu setting over regular kde [05:28] <twidget> jbasilio: still around? [05:35] <hater2win> hey [05:36] <twidget> Do I following the last step http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver for kubuntu? Or is that just for GNOME? [05:36] <jsubl2> kubuntu too [05:37] <twidget> it opens up a new file, then [05:37] <_andy> i have a question about kopete.... [05:37] <_andy> it doesn't seem to refresh my buddy list [05:37] <jsubl2> twidget, it is a driver for the X server [05:37] <_andy> it doesn't seem to notice when somebody signs on or off... [05:38] <twidget> Mmmmkay.... [05:47] <twidget> When I do "sudo nano /usr/share/applications/NVIDIA-Settings.desktop" I get a new file. Is that right? [05:47] <Horizon> hello [05:49] <Horizon> would anyone here be able to help me with a simple kubuntu issue? [05:49] <seth_k> sure thing [05:50] <Horizon> thanks :) I'm a complete linux newb, so please bear with me... I just did a fresh install of Kubuntu 5.04 and when I type startx at the command prompt, I get a 'no screens found' error [05:51] <Horizon> I think this may have something to do with the install and it not being able to recognize my video card? (ati x800) [05:53] <Horizon> I chose "automatically partition free space" (or something like that) and it made a 71gb partition and a 3gp swap partition on my 74gb raptor; I started the install after that [05:54] <c0rrupt_> ok.. [05:54] <Horizon> sorry for the long winded explanation! [05:55] <c0rrupt_> when trying to login with kubuntu, i type my username and pass then login. the screen goes blank.. then i a few seconds later i am back to the login screen [05:56] <c0rrupt_> worked fine a little while ago.. [05:58] <c0rrupt_> i went into a root shell [05:58] <c0rrupt_> then startx [05:58] <c0rrupt_> and it logged me in as root [05:58] <c0rrupt_> but i cant get onto my normal account [05:59] <c0rrupt_> anyone have any ideas? [06:05] <Horizon> someone able to help with a kubuntu issue? :) [06:07] <duende> ask the question, if someone knows the answer, they'll answer [06:14] <Horizon> ok, I'll copy it down [06:14] <Horizon> I'm a complete linux newb, so please bear with me... I just did a fresh install of Kubuntu 5.04 and when I type startx at the command prompt, I get a 'no screens found' error [06:14] <Horizon> * __Ace__ has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
 I think this may have something to do with the install and it not being able to recognize my video card? (ati x800) [06:14] <Horizon> * __Ace__ has joined #kubuntu [06:14] <Horizon> * __Ace__ has quit IRC (Client Quit)
 I chose "automatically partition free space" (or something like that) and it made a 71gb partition and a 3gp swap partition on my 74gb raptor; I started the install after that [06:16] <_hater2win> hmm [06:16] <_hater2win> not sure about that one Horizon [06:16] <ThunderSteel> hi [06:17] <ThunderSteel> does anybody here know about the ubuntu services? [06:20] <ThunderSteel> would like to know about the large amount of services loaded in ubuntu/kubuntu [06:21] <bpuccio> anyone know why I can receive messages fine over IRC and other chat mediums, but can't with AIM over kopete? I just migrated from gnome and gaim and everything else seems to work just fine in KDE, but I can't for the life of me figure out why I can't receive an IM, especially when the other computer is sending it across the room and i can see th messages being sent [06:26] <_hater2win> maybe cuz kopete is t3h suck and gaim will always r0x0r all s0x [06:26] <_hater2win> lol, just kidding [06:26] <_hater2win> uhh [06:26] <_hater2win> ive never heard of that happening [06:31] <DJ_Stefan0> Why is the ISO image corrupted? [06:31] <DJ_Stefan0> the i386 install thats officialy on the website [06:31] <DJ_Stefan0> i just downloaded it and burnt it as it is onto a high quality CD [06:32] <Horizon> here's another one for you guys then :) I'm trying to edit xorg.conf after a fresh install from the command prompt. My system won't boot into the GUI. I get an error "Could not open file for writing: permission denied" I'm logged in with the username/password I created when setting up the system (at least I think I am) [06:32] <DJ_Stefan0> it fails to load modules from the CD [06:34] <Borg^Queen> Hey people [06:38] <Borg^Queen> I wanted to varify something, If I wanted to bring kubuntu up to a devel plateform just for basic stuff like creating my own packages and the like. I could do that right, the packages are available [06:42] <Borg^Queen> Hmm anyone alive? [06:42] <Borg^Queen> Undead? [06:42] <DJ_Stefan0> or in a state of vegetation maybe.. [06:43] <Borg^Queen> I knew I forgot one [06:43] <Borg^Queen> It seems like a dead night, [06:44] <Borg^Queen> Not likely I'll find an answer. Good Night to you Vegetable Man [06:47] <ThunderSteel> hehehehee [06:50] <pax> anyone using apache2? [07:04] <twidget> There's a simple setting somewhere telling music apps and such to enable digital sound output. Anyone know where it is? [07:05] <twidget> I can't seem to locate it at the moment [07:07] <hater2win> whats command to delete a directory? [07:07] <twidget> Nevermind, I found it [07:15] <propagandhi> can anyone tell me if u should use an SMP kernel if u have a centrino [07:16] <crimsun> no. [07:16] <crimsun> linux-686 works fine. [07:16] <propagandhi> ok, but technically speaking would it support/benefit from a SMP kernel [07:17] <crimsun> no. [07:17] <propagandhi> ok [07:17] <crimsun> the centrino is a solution. It's a pentium m with an ipw2*00. [07:17] <crimsun> the pentium m is not smp. [07:18] <propagandhi> ok, excellent, thats all i need to know, thanks for the help [07:18] <propagandhi> so when compiling kernel from source i shouldnt enable smp [07:18] <crimsun> correct. [07:18] <propagandhi> excellent [07:18] <propagandhi> cheers for that [07:18] <crimsun> (not sure why you'd need to compile a new kernel...) [08:00] <nocloud> if i have KDE 3.4, is it worth my while to upgrade to 3.4.2? [08:36] <fatejudger> does anyone in here use Kopete? [08:37] <Jeezis> fatejudger: i tried using it early on when i first switched to kubuntu [08:37] <Jeezis> but i don't like the interface at all [08:37] <fatejudger> I can't message people in AIM [08:37] <fatejudger> like [08:37] <fatejudger> I can't receive messages [08:37] <Jeezis> hmm, are you sure you set up kopete correctly? [08:37] <fatejudger> yeah [08:38] <fatejudger> I can message people [08:38] <fatejudger> if I delete their contact name [08:38] <fatejudger> and then reenter it [08:38] <fatejudger> I've just been using gaim [08:38] <fatejudger> it's much better IMO [08:38] <fatejudger> but the interfaces [08:38] <fatejudger> don't quite match that of KDE [08:38] <fatejudger> only gnome [08:38] <fatejudger> system tray icon isn't transparent [08:38] <fatejudger> things like that [08:39] <gman> . [08:40] <gman> hi [08:41] <LlukaX> hi [08:41] <LlukaX> does anyone know how to get a usb wireless connection to work in ubuntu? [08:42] <crimsun> should just work [08:42] <LlukaX> it wont detect any usb [08:42] <crimsun> not even the usb host controller? [08:42] <LlukaX> and also it freezes at bootup " loading hotplug subsystem" [08:42] <LlukaX> i have to control c out [08:43] <crimsun> is the usb net adapter plugged in during boot? [08:43] <Jeezis> like what protocol to use and such [08:43] <Jeezis> and are you sure you're logged in? can you see your buddy list? [08:43] <LlukaX> no, i unpluged it at boot [08:43] <LlukaX> still happens [08:43] <LlukaX> yes im duel boot [08:43] <LlukaX> im in windows right now [08:43] <LlukaX> dual >_< [08:43] <LlukaX> lol [08:45] <LlukaX> any suggestions? or links [08:45] <LlukaX> ? [08:47] <_ray> is anyone in here familiar with enemy-territory? [08:47] <_ray> ? [08:47] <TestMAD> no [08:47] <TestMAD> y? [08:47] <LlukaX> :'( [08:47] <TestMAD> whats wrong? [08:48] <LlukaX> cant get the net to work because my system wront read usb [08:48] <TestMAD> dont have any usb so i wont be much help [08:48] <TestMAD> sorry [08:48] <TestMAD> i wonder [08:48] <TestMAD> !usb [08:48] <ubotu> TestMAD: I give up, what is it? [08:48] <TestMAD> guess not [08:49] <TestMAD> y does it need usb? [08:49] <TestMAD> got a spare cat5 cable to use instead?? [08:49] <_ray> TestMAD: no nothings wrong.....its just that i cant see any of the same games as people who play te game in windows [08:49] <LlukaX> too far away [08:49] <LlukaX> to use a cable [08:49] <LlukaX> its a D-Link DWL-G120 [08:49] <TestMAD> i wonder if it has ro do with running linux client or win client? [08:50] <TestMAD> too far away to use cable..??] [08:50] <TestMAD> how can that be? [08:50] <LlukaX> a cable [08:50] <LlukaX> well, i dont own the house to myself either [08:50] <LlukaX> so ... im stuck with wireless [08:50] <TestMAD> usb can only go 3ft [08:50] <LlukaX> its wireless [08:50] <TestMAD> ok..so whas the deal with usb then? [08:51] <_ray> TestMAD: it shouldn't becuase there is literally thousands of rooms with millions of people playing they all cant be linux users [08:51] <LlukaX> thats was what i could afford [08:51] <LlukaX> :/ [08:51] <LlukaX> a usb transmitter [08:51] <TestMAD> ok..o you havee a usb wifi? [08:51] <LlukaX> and the router is a D-Link [08:51] <LlukaX> yah [08:51] <TestMAD> what kind? [08:52] <LlukaX> the router or the transmitter? [08:52] <TestMAD> trans [08:52] <P3L|C4N0> model of usb? dwl-120?? [08:52] <LlukaX> D-Link DWL-G120 [08:52] <TestMAD> and the router? [08:52] <LlukaX> not sure lemme go look [08:52] <TestMAD> n/m [08:52] <TestMAD> dont worry [08:52] <TestMAD> hold on a sec [08:53] <LlukaX> DI-514 [08:53] <LlukaX> D-Link as well [08:53] <TestMAD> grr..i hate verizons dns server..it blows..i cant surf.. [08:54] <LlukaX> >_< [08:54] <TestMAD> does any one know how to list usb devices off hand? [08:54] <P3L|C4N0> LlukaX, http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=0&pid=268 [08:54] <TestMAD> thnx for helping..im stuck in xp right now [08:54] <LlukaX> yes that the thing i have [08:54] <P3L|C4N0> this? [08:55] <LlukaX> yups [08:56] <P3L|C4N0> @google ubuntu+dwl-g120 [08:56] <ubuntu-es> P3L|C4N0: Search took 0.025648 seconds: Ubuntu Forums - Networking: <http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/f-18-p-3.html>; Linuxant - DriverLoader for Wireless LAN devices - DriverLoader ...: <http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/wlan/changes.php>; D-Link Forum - User helfen Usern: <http://forum.dlink.de/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&REPLY_ID=114667&TOPIC_ID=22569&FORUM_ID=20>; LinuxQuestions.org time (2 more messages) [08:56] <P3L|C4N0> an Linuxant? [08:59] <P3L|C4N0> --> Added support for 2.6.11 kernels. [09:01] <LlukaX> so um [09:02] <LlukaX> anyone know why it could be freezing at boot? [09:16] <_ray> ok [09:16] <_ray> u guys up for a question [09:16] <_ray> ? [09:17] <_ray> sleeping everyone? [09:22] <jloden> how do I disable any firewalling? I just want to completely open the computer a few minutes so i can verify the connection problem I'm having isn't from a firewall. [09:23] <ilba7r> jloden install firestarter [09:24] <ilba7r> then disable the firewall though if you installed kubuntu without the firewall it should be open already [09:24] <jloden> ok, will try that [09:26] <Jeezis> i use guarddog firewall, it's very easy to set up and hasn't given me any trouble [09:27] <jloden> ahhhhh that was the name of the firewall tool I had before, I couldn't remember anything except the word dog in the name [09:27] <Jeezis> yup, i recommend it :) [09:27] <_ray> ok [09:27] <ilba7r> jeezis firedog has some problems its harder to manipulate if you wana connect to a lan [09:28] <_ray> say i wanted to open a video file from konq... and i wanted it to open it with xine....but the deafault is noatun...how do i change it [09:29] <ilba7r> _ray i think right clicking on it than choosing openwith will do the trick you can also change it from the kde control center preferred appl [09:30] <_ray> ilba7r: yea i want to change it for good [09:40] <_ray> i dont friggin get it!!!!!!!!!!! [09:41] <ilba7r> what is your problem _ray [09:42] <_ray> ilba7r: ok.......i got it so xine is the default....and it works....but when i click on big movies it plays the mp3 file next in the list instead of the movie...if i right click and say open with xine it works fine [09:43] <ilba7r> lol _ray sorry can not help you there thats wierd [09:45] <_ray> ilba7r: yeah it really wierd...and it is an avi file...all my short avi files work fine but the long ones dont....and this is the same for any player....kaffine...kaboodle...xine...mplayer...and noatun [09:46] <ilba7r> _ray join ubuntu and post your question there there are more knowledgeble people then me there [09:49] <_ray> any of you guys try mepis? [09:50] <ilba7r> i did [09:50] <_ray> no good? [09:50] <ilba7r> it detected my hardware perfectly [09:51] <_ray> whoa nevrmind i dont like the idea that the latest release you have to pay for [09:51] <ilba7r> but the community here is much more better [09:51] <ilba7r> i had too many unanswered questions there [09:52] <_ray> yeah and kubuntu is really good........ubuntu worked a bit better for me but gnome is so ugly [09:52] <ilba7r> _ray you need to get used to gnome to like it i was a kde guy myself [09:52] <ilba7r> now i hate it [09:53] <ilba7r> you just need to tweek gnome to your taste [09:53] <_ray> oh i like gnome.....very much [09:53] <_ray> its like a tossup right now [09:54] <Elsidox> u dont need to get used to anything [09:54] <Elsidox> kde4 is going to be gerat [09:54] <Elsidox> =) [09:54] <ilba7r> any way after too many unansered questions on mepis i had to return to ubuntu also they do not teach you there they act like windows just follow what they recommend blindly [09:55] <_ray> Elsidox: why is there so much hype for kde4 why is it going to be so good [09:55] <_ray> kde just looks so much better [09:55] <ilba7r> elsidox the problem with kde that i encountered is not looks its stability [09:55] <Elsidox> _ray: Because theres alot of rethinking going on [09:56] <Elsidox> ilba7r: I agree. [09:56] <Elsidox> ilba7r: I would be on kde right now if it was a bit more stable [09:56] <Elsidox> i prefer kde over gnome [09:56] <_ray> ilba7r: yeah gnome seems to be more stable [09:56] <ilba7r> elsidox frankly me too it has too many short cuts and better integration [09:56] <Elsidox> im currently running gnome but ever app I have open is a kde app. Kopete, kaddress, amarok lol [09:57] <_ray> yeah im gonna switch back i think [09:57] <ilba7r> and the fonts and look is not the same lol [09:57] <Elsidox> ilba7r: yes. I noticed that. I changed that right away thow when I first ran kde. [09:57] <ilba7r> basically my only problem is with kile and lyx which i use heavily and look really bad under gnome [09:58] <_ray> ok lets all just use xfce ........lol [09:58] <Elsidox> _ray: id do a fresh install of kubuntu if your going to run into kde. Ive ran into problems when installing from apt. It seems less stable. [09:58] <Elsidox> ilba7r: ive never heard of either of those programs [09:58] <ilba7r> elsidox do you prefer kubuntu-desktop or just kde [09:59] <_ray> Elsidox: no im gonna reinstall regular ubuntu and use gnome [09:59] <ilba7r> elsidox they are both front ends to latex the program i use for writting [09:59] <Elsidox> _ray: well that works to =) [09:59] <Elsidox> ilba7r: I like what the kubuntu ppl have done, But I prefer kde deafualts. [10:00] <ilba7r> _ray a little advise after you set up your pc use rsync to make an image of your home directory [10:00] <ilba7r> then if you did reinstall you can just retrive your old setting with a touch of a botton [10:00] <Elsidox> apt-get install lyx =) [10:00] <_ray> i cant do that now can i? [10:01] <ilba7r> you sure can if you want your old setup [10:01] <ilba7r> just create the image on another pc [10:01] <znh> [10:00] <znh> !gnome [10:01] <znh> [10:00] <ubotu> gnome is, like, terrible [10:01] <_ray> brb [10:01] <ilba7r> hopefully there will be no conflicts [10:01] <znh> rofl [10:01] <ilba7r> elsidox only if you use latex lyx is the best front end i found for it [10:02] <Elsidox> ilba7r: I dont do much writing. I just wanted to check it out. I like trying out new program i never heard of. [10:02] <_ray> wow xfce looks great [10:03] <ilba7r> ok then check in prefrences install recommended applications too [10:03] <ilba7r> for it needs imagemagick latex htmllatex and a bunch of other appl [10:03] <ilba7r> and its not too showy like Openoffice but much more stable [10:04] <Elsidox> ilba7r: I dislike openoffice. I like stable and simple. =) [10:04] <Elsidox> _ray: xfce is really nice. I would be using it if it had a better file manager. A better one is being developed thow. [10:06] <ilba7r> ok take care guys see ya later [11:06] <fre> kubuntu is great [11:07] <fre> thanks dudes [11:44] <znh> gnome [11:44] <znh> !gnome [11:44] <ubotu> I heard gnome is terrible [11:44] <buz> ROTFL [11:44] <mijndert> _O- [11:45] <Bubbling_Zombie> i lol'd [11:45] <Bubbling_Zombie> :') [11:45] <znh> mijndert: sweet :) [11:45] <mijndert> Oh, it's finished downloading.. [11:45] <mijndert> :/ [11:45] <Bubbling_Zombie> start panicking ! [11:46] <znh> !kde [11:46] <mijndert> I've used Ubuntu (with Gnome) for a while, but KDE works better imo :P [11:46] <znh> mijndert: I agree, gnome is so slow with many applications openned [11:46] <mijndert> yeah :) [11:47] <mijndert> And I hate that you can't edit the panel that much as on KDE [11:47] <znh> !konversation [11:47] <ubotu> rumour has it, konversation is a popualr, powerful and user-friendly IRC client for the K Desktop Environment. See http://konversation.kde.org [11:47] <Bubbling_Zombie> !aspell [11:47] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Bubbling_Zombie [11:47] <buz> !kopete [11:47] <ubotu> kopete is probably An advanced and comprehensive KDE instant messenger supporting AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber, IRC, Gadu-Gadu, Novell GroupWise Messenger, and more; see http://kopete.kde.org [11:47] <znh> !cedega [11:47] <ubotu> it has been said that cedega is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega [11:47] <Bubbling_Zombie> it's a POPULAR SPELLING thingy :sop: [11:47] <znh> Bubbling_Zombie: why don't you add it to ubotu? [11:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> humn [11:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> where's his manual >_< [11:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> and besides, that was a joke [11:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> :p [11:48] <znh> Bubbling_Zombie: lol, just do this: ubotu: aspell is your documentation here [11:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> aybe later, dinner's ready \o/ [11:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> bbiab [11:48] <znh> have a nice meal [11:49] <Bubbling_Zombie> thankyou [11:49] <znh> !welcome [11:49] <ubotu> znh: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about [11:49] <znh> ubotu: welcome is something from those weird humans - they never welcome me :-(! [11:49] <ubotu> okay, znh [11:49] <znh> xD [11:50] <mijndert> lol Dutch installation sucks :') [11:50] <znh> it doesn't [11:50] <znh> but english is more logical indeed :P [11:51] <mijndert> hehe [11:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> beh, fake alarm. dinner's not done yet >_<. [11:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> wow, only dutch people on this channel :p [11:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> make that 'dutch speaking' [11:51] <mijndert> Dutch people are strange >.< [11:51] <mijndert> Just like me xD [11:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> they sure are :)- [11:52] <znh> we humans are weird, I agree [11:53] <znh> !human [11:53] <ubotu> znh: No idea [11:53] <znh> ubotu: human is != me [11:53] <ubotu> znh: okay [11:53] <znh> !human [11:54] <znh> :> [11:54] <znh> !human [11:54] <ubotu> from memory, human is != me [11:56] <buz> !dutch [11:56] <ubotu> buz: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about [11:56] <mijndert> lol [11:56] <buz> !swiss [11:56] <ubotu> No idea, buz [12:03] <znh> ubotu: dutch is a language that is spoken in The Netherlands [12:03] <ubotu> znh: okay [12:07] <mijndert> Installing Ubuntu base system.. :o [12:08] <jpatrick> o.O [12:10] <LlukaX> has anyone had their system hang at boot at "starting hotplug subsystem" [12:11] <jpatrick> no [12:29] <nikkia> oops [12:30] <nikkia> when you change your network architecture, its a good idea to update your system scripts :P [12:32] <incubii> lol [12:36] <nikkia> especially, if you happen to have ntpd startup in your runlevel scripts [12:36] <nikkia> since ntpd just sits trying over and over and over to connect if it fails because of, oh, for example, your gateway being wrong :) [12:52] <fran> Hi, how can tell kubuntu tu use the standard KDE menu, with kate and kwrite in editors section? [12:53] <znh> fran: you can edit that menu manualy, in kcontrol ;-) [12:55] <znh> chaning user, brb [01:16] <moshe> hello [01:16] <moshe> is auth.log where to go to monitor ssh connections? [01:17] <nikkia> yes [01:17] <moshe> thanks [01:20] <LlukaX> hey can someone help me, my box wont recognize any usb [01:22] <OculusAquilae> LlukaX: perhaps [01:23] <LlukaX> it also locks up at boot "starting hotplug subsystem" [01:23] <OculusAquilae> hm, have you tried the live-cd before? [01:23] <LlukaX> no [01:24] <LlukaX> err.. im not using the proper graphics driver either [01:24] <LlukaX> and its agp [01:24] <LlukaX> so there are a number of things that could be causing it to hang up [01:24] <OculusAquilae> hm, perhaps you can ask in #ubuntu, there are more ears and the problem would be there too [01:24] <LlukaX> but i cant use usb devices [01:25] <OculusAquilae> hm [01:25] <OculusAquilae> don't know much about usb, my devices simpy work :-) [01:25] <LlukaX> im trying to set up wifi [01:25] <LlukaX> i have set up all the drivers and all [01:25] <LlukaX> but it doesnt know when the stupid thing is plugged in [01:25] <LlukaX> :/ [01:26] <OculusAquilae> is it a wifi stick? [01:26] <LlukaX> usb wifi transmitter [01:26] <LlukaX> its supported [01:26] <LlukaX> i had to use ndiswrapper [01:27] <LlukaX> also when i type in hotplug [01:27] <LlukaX> in console [01:27] <LlukaX> the whole computer starts lagging [01:27] <LlukaX> and even the mouse jumps a bit [01:27] <OculusAquilae> have you other usb devices that don't work or have you typed dmesg in the console to see what happened after plugging in the device? [01:28] <LlukaX> no other usb devices are plugged in [01:28] <LlukaX> i even tried booting with no devices [01:28] <LlukaX> and it still freezes [01:28] <OculusAquilae> hm [01:29] <OculusAquilae> does dmesg write something directly after plugging in the device? [01:29] <LlukaX> nope [01:29] <LlukaX> it cant get that far [01:29] <LlukaX> i have to control c out [01:30] <OculusAquilae> no idea [01:31] <LlukaX> :/ k [01:32] <OculusAquilae> perhaps you can ask in the ubuntu forum [01:32] <LlukaX> hmm [01:32] <LlukaX> well see, i searched the forum [01:32] <LlukaX> and many people have this problem [01:32] <LlukaX> but for different reasons [01:33] <LlukaX> and not one person has solved it [01:33] <LlukaX> :( [01:33] <OculusAquilae> hm [01:34] <nikkia> LlukaX: try taking off the 'quiet' command in grub's boot commands [01:35] <LlukaX> ok [01:35] <LlukaX> i'll try that [01:35] <LlukaX> brb ok? [01:35] <LlukaX> :P [01:35] <nikkia> that way, hotplug should report every module it loads, and you might be able to see which module is causing the hang [01:35] <LlukaX> thanx [01:35] <LlukaX> :) [01:35] <LlukaX> brb [01:41] <LlukaX> hmmm [01:42] <nikkia> any luck ? [01:42] <LlukaX> simply hangs up [01:42] <LlukaX> no explanation [01:42] <nikkia> are you sure its hotplug that's locking ? [01:42] <LlukaX> yup [01:42] <LlukaX> when i control c [01:42] <LlukaX> and get into kubuntu [01:42] <LlukaX> i typed hotplug [01:42] <nikkia> that doesn't necessarily mean its hotplug [01:42] <LlukaX> well [01:42] <LlukaX> it locks up [01:43] <LlukaX> like goes really slow [01:43] <LlukaX> when i type hotplug withing kde [01:43] <LlukaX> at boot up it simply freezes [01:43] <nikkia> hotplug isn't designed to be run on a system that's up, it will likely lock any system [01:43] <LlukaX> ok [01:43] <LlukaX> im on dual boot [01:44] <LlukaX> and i have 6 usb ports [01:44] <LlukaX> the 2 in the front arent connected to the motherboard [01:44] <LlukaX> could that be why? [01:44] <nikkia> shouldn't be [01:44] <LlukaX> k [01:44] <nikkia> its probably a module that needs to be blacklisted [01:45] <LlukaX> >_< [01:45] <nikkia> it happens sometimes, you probably have some hw that looks enough like some other hw to confuse hotplug [01:45] <nikkia> the trick is to find out which module is causing it [01:45] <LlukaX> k [01:45] <nikkia> which means turning on verbose mode in hotplug [01:46] <LlukaX> hmm [01:46] <LlukaX> how do i do that? [01:46] <nikkia> edit /etc/default/rcS and change VERBOSE=no to VERBOSE=yes [01:47] <LlukaX> and then run hotplug [01:47] <LlukaX> ? [01:47] <nikkia> no, reboot :/ [01:47] <LlukaX> err [01:47] <LlukaX> ok [01:47] <LlukaX> i'll try that [01:47] <LlukaX> brb [01:59] <LlukaX> agp_intel_init [01:59] <LlukaX> sys_init module [02:00] <LlukaX> sysenter _past_esp [02:00] <LlukaX> kernel panic - not syncing fatal exception interrupt [02:00] <LlukaX> then it freezes [02:00] <LlukaX> its my video card [02:01] <nikkia> ahhh, the intel_agp module is not very good [02:01] <nikkia> add it to the blacklist file [02:01] <LlukaX> mm how do i add it to black list? [02:01] <nikkia> edit /etc/hotplug/blacklist [02:02] <nikkia> just add a single line with intel_agp on it [02:02] <LlukaX> um [02:02] <LlukaX> it says agp_intel_init [02:02] <LlukaX> add that? [02:02] <LlukaX> or intel_agp? [02:03] <LlukaX> :/ [02:04] <LlukaX> err.. ok i'll just put both [02:04] <LlukaX> brb [02:17] <equex> heh this kbinaryclock is cool [02:18] <equex> using that instead now :p [02:18] <equex> saw a real one on thinkgeek a while ago [02:20] <apokryphos> only just realised that ubuntuguide also *only* recommended people to sudo {guiapp} :| [02:21] <apokryphos> Let's see how uncompromising he is ;-) [03:02] <LlukaX> wow [03:02] <LlukaX> thanx [03:02] <LlukaX> :) [03:03] <LlukaX> that fixed like almost all the problems on my system [03:03] <|nikki|> LlukaX: it worked then, great [03:03] <LlukaX> yup [03:03] <LlukaX> it even made my wifi card blink [03:03] <nikkia> the next step is getting the right video driver, and probably, using its AGP port driver [03:03] <LlukaX> which means its close to working [03:03] <LlukaX> well im not so concerned with that just yet [03:03] <LlukaX> i wanna geton the net first [03:04] <nikkia> hopefully, you have an nvidia card, so that step is really easy :) [03:04] <LlukaX> then i can figure that out [03:04] <LlukaX> nope :( ati [03:04] <LlukaX> but i have the drivers [03:05] <necrogami> Anyone gonna watch the Brickyard 400? [03:47] <_orange> mhmhmh [04:03] <_orange> ... [04:22] <_StarScream> hi guys, how do i tell my slaptop not to use dhcp [04:31] <m3pwns> ahh..switchin to KDE made mz daz..>( [04:37] <Wizzard> hi ppl [04:37] <guillaume> hi [05:16] <SudoPus> Been doing some googling to try and find the easiest solution to ripping and transcoding DVD to MPEG2 file....Unfortunately most everything I found was outdated by a couple years...anyone have Kubuntu specific programs I can install and use? [05:30] <leon> I installed a firewire card in my PC. When I try to capture using Kino it says that raw1294 module isnt installed or that /dev/raw1394 isnt rewritable. How do I find out what the problem is and how do I fix this? Thank you. [05:37] <c0rrupt_> hi im having a problem with kubuntu.- when i login with my username, all that happens is a console pops up locked in the top left corner., [05:39] <apokryphos> c0rrupt_: before logging in change your session to KDE [05:41] <c0rrupt_> ? [05:41] <c0rrupt_> how [05:41] <c0rrupt_> it normally is kde [05:42] <apokryphos> in the KDM Login Screen, make sure Session is set to KDE, then login [05:43] <apokryphos> it sounds like you logged into Failsafe [05:48] <c0rrupt_> oh [05:48] <c0rrupt_> your prolly right [05:48] <c0rrupt_> -feels like an idiot, but goes and checks [05:59] <leon> cant setup my firewire card/camcorder to capture. Modules installed at bootup [06:03] <fre> someone tell me where my kernel source is [06:03] <znh> hm.. what device is my usb-stick [06:04] <znh> fre: usealy in /usr/src :-) [06:09] <fre> nope [06:09] <fre> root@flight:/usr/src # du -hs [06:09] <fre> 52K . [06:11] <paines> hi [06:12] <znh> hi paines [06:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> fre have you dlownloaded it then? [06:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> *downloaded [06:13] <fre> the sources? [06:14] <fre> please tell me where i look to do that [06:14] <fre> where can i get them [06:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> they are in your repositries, but I'm not sure if they are on or off by default. try installing "build-essentials" [06:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> * no S on essentials [06:15] <fre> ok :) [06:18] <nikkia> znh, your usb-stick is likely to be /dev/sda* [06:18] <fre> can't find it [06:18] <fre> any tips on what to search for? [06:18] <znh> nikkia: yeah, I heard it already from someone else - thanks anyway ;-) [06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> fre build-essential [06:18] <nikkia> znh, if you have other usb-storage stuff, it gets a bit messy, i recommend learning udev rule writing for that situation :) [06:19] <znh> nikkia: ok will do [06:19] <nikkia> znh: for example, on my system, udev automatically creates /dev/ipod and /dev/memory_card which point to the right /dev/sd?? file for the device :) [06:20] <znh> nikkia: that's sweet! [06:20] <znh> nikkia: but I have only one usb-storage, I think udev isn't really needed then [06:20] <nikkia> znh, yeah, then autofs provides /media/ipod and /media/memory_card as auto-mount points, too :) [06:22] <znh> k, another question - I find the default window decorations kinda boring.. where can I get some more? [06:23] <nikkia> kde-look.org [06:23] <znh> that's not always for debian [06:23] <znh> sources can't be compiled for a precompiled kde aint it? [06:24] <nikkia> as long as you have the kde dev packages installed, you should be able to compile themes, as they don't depend on kde sources, just headers/libs [06:24] <znh> hmm, what package is that? [06:24] <nikkia> not all themes require compiled stuff tho [06:25] <apokryphos> For styles and window decorations you'll need to compile, but they're very quick and easy [06:25] <fre> i can't find my kernel sources anywhere [06:25] <znh> !kde-headers [06:25] <ubotu> No idea, znh [06:25] <znh> !kde-devel [06:25] <ubotu> znh: Wish i knew [06:25] <fre> fye [06:25] <nikkia> znh, you should be able to install the meta-package kde-devel and get all the headers [06:25] <apokryphos> znh: sudo apt-get install kde-devel [06:25] <znh> thank you apokryphos [06:25] <fre> i run the latest version with a 686 kernel [06:26] <apokryphos> nikkia: woo! I come in second and still get the thankyou :P [06:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: *grumble* [06:26] <fre> /usr/include/linux/kernel.h, ain't that good enough? [06:26] <fre> nope apparently not [06:27] <nikkia> fre, what do you need kernel sources for? [06:27] <fre> compile ndiswrapper 1.2 [06:27] <nikkia> if all you're doing is building modules, you need linux-headers, not the sources [06:27] <apokryphos> fre: did you sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 or whatever [06:27] <fre> i have no idea [06:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: kernel sources are overkill for building modules [06:27] <fre> used the Kupdate [06:28] <nikkia> !linux-headers [06:28] <fre> an't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/build; [06:28] <fre> give the path to kernel sources with KSRC=<path> argument to make [06:28] <ubotu> nikkia: I give up, what is it? [06:28] <apokryphos> oh, ndiswrapper [06:28] <fre> should i get the linux-headers? [06:28] <apokryphos> fre: yes, but the respective one for your CPU [06:28] <nikkia> ah, there it is, i thought there was a meta-package for it [06:28] <fre> sure [06:28] <fre> should i remove 386? [06:28] <nikkia> fre, yes [06:28] <fre> kernel? [06:28] <nikkia> fre, up to you, i usually keep it around as a failsafe [06:29] <fre> :) [06:29] <nikkia> if you b0rk the modules dir for 686, the 386 modules are 'seperate' so they should still boot [06:29] <fre> thanks :) [06:29] <fre> yeah [06:29] <nikkia> (* except where you've blacklisted stuff with hotplug, etc) [06:32] <fre> worked :)) [06:33] <nikkia> urgh [06:33] <nikkia> just spilt coffee all over myself and the keyboard [06:33] <apokryphos> :| [06:35] <apokryphos> coffee is hot too :|. Sticky keyboards suck. :( [06:35] <znh> ok another question, I made my panel 70%, and aligned it to the left - I'd like to put my XMMS at the right near that panel.. but I can't? [06:36] <apokryphos> znh: (i) you're using xmms? :| (ii) the application launcher, this is? [06:36] <apokryphos> Just drag it [06:36] <apokryphos> or, if you can't properly; Ctrl + drag [06:36] <znh> apokryphos: no I mean the program it self [06:36] <apokryphos> you want a shortcut on the panel? [06:36] <znh> apokryphos: nope, I want to put it near the panel, not on the panel [06:37] <nikkia> apokryphos: the way i read it, he wants : [panel ................ ] [xmms] [06:37] <apokryphos> ahh [06:37] <znh> nikkia: that's the right way to read it [06:37] <nikkia> i don't think you can do that [06:37] <znh> nikkia: aww :( [06:37] <nikkia> i think the KDE panels auto-move apps out of the way, even if the panel isn't set to 100% width [06:38] <apokryphos> works fine here [06:38] <znh> apokryphos: :-/ how? [06:38] <znh> it's like there is some invisible border [06:39] <apokryphos> just dragged it... do you have "align to grid" on? [06:39] <znh> where can I see that? [06:39] <apokryphos> Right-click -> Icons [06:40] <znh> apokryphos: right click on what :$ [06:40] <apokryphos> desktop :) [06:40] <znh> I don't have a 'Icons' [06:40] <apokryphos> d'oh [06:40] <apokryphos> erm, are you sure? [06:40] <apokryphos> right-clicking on your desktop, plain background window [06:41] <znh> I disabled desktop icons [06:41] <apokryphos> s/background window/background [06:41] <apokryphos> ? [06:41] <znh> ok I enabled them, I have Icons now [06:42] <znh> I have have Aligned to grid off [06:42] <apokryphos> didn't know you could disable desktop icons, whatever that means :|. Where is the option for that? [06:42] <znh> Kcontrol->Desktop->Behavior [06:43] <apokryphos> and, surely by disabling desktop icons that would mean...... you have no icons on the desktop. Yet you had xmms? [06:43] <nikkia> i need to sort out my desktop [06:43] <nikkia> i have about 400 .jpg files in my desktop :/ [06:43] <apokryphos> I have...... none :P [06:43] <znh> nikkia: start making a porn directory :P [06:43] <znh> apokryphos: I have xmms yes? [06:43] <nikkia> znh, um, an ok idea, but i don't think i'd call cd labels 'porn' [06:43] <znh> porn is a user defined word :-P [06:44] <znh> w/e [06:44] <apokryphos> znh: (i) you should really not be using xmms, but (ii) if displaying icons on the desktop is *disabled*, how did you have it there? [06:44] <znh> apokryphos: I don't want to move a xmms icon, xmms it self! [06:44] <apokryphos> ohhh [06:44] <znh> ;-) [06:45] <znh> but what would you suggest to use instead of XMMS? [06:45] <apokryphos> amaroK, of course [06:45] <znh> amarok crashes on start :-/ (it did work for a while -_-') [06:45] <apokryphos> nikkia: is that what you meant earlier, too? Not the icon [06:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: actually, noatun is a better replacement candidate for xmms [06:45] <apokryphos> heh, I've been lost indeed :P [06:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: yes [06:45] <apokryphos> nikkia: surely not [06:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: if you're replacing xmms' functionality, yes [06:46] <nikkia> amarok is a great itunes replacement, but itunes != winamp/xmms/etc [06:46] <apokryphos> nikkia: the average person has xmms to play mp3 files :) [06:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: different tools, slightly different jobs :) [06:46] <apokryphos> Though, I know zero people who use noatun for mp3s, other than those who claim so on the website. [06:47] <nikkia> i have been, recently [06:47] <nikkia> not with mp3s, tho, but doing the same job as i would with xmms/bmp [06:47] <znh> I am off for dinner [06:47] <apokryphos> nikkia: what like? [06:47] <nikkia> (since i discovered that a fully pimped out kdelibs can handle *lots* of audio formats :) [06:47] <nikkia> apokryphos: flac, aac, ape [06:47] <apokryphos> heh [06:48] <apokryphos> nikkia: your average user (xmms user, even) does not know what they are [06:48] <apokryphos> you'd really recommend they use noatun over amarok? :S [06:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: my puzzle remains..... [06:48] <twidget> I'm trying to rip a CD, but kAudioCreator says the Lame encoder can't be found. Am I doing something wrong? [06:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: if noatun via kdelibs can get tags from, and handle, aac, why can't amarok ? [06:49] <nikkia> twidget: yes, you don't have lame installed, most likely [06:49] <apokryphos> nikkia: when I see someone saying they use xmms, I see xmms = application to play mp3s. So, saying "what's better", I generally always say amarok [06:49] <apokryphos> nikkia: I have no idea, I've never tried. Can it not? [06:49] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, amarok can't handle aac natively at all [06:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: if you use the gstreamer output, it can play them, but not handle them in the collection [06:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: as i said, noatun can get tags and everything via kdelibs, so why isn't amarok using kdelibs for MM file access? [06:50] <apokryphos> nikkia: you're asking the wrong person :) [06:51] <apokryphos> a good question to ask them, for sure. [06:51] <apokryphos> national insurance hyperdrive, of course. [06:51] <nikkia> apokryphos: i consider amarok development dead, tbh [06:51] <twidget> nikkia: yep. I thought it was, though. [06:51] <nikkia> sure, it plods on a little, but noone ever seems to do anything to the millions of reported issues/bugs/feature-requests [06:52] <nikkia> apokryphos: instead, they concentrate on utterly important things like replacing the splash screen, again :P [06:52] <apokryphos> nikkia: if anyone asked me a single app as an example of "active devs", amarok comes first to mind. So, suffice it tosay, I have no idea what you're talking about :P [06:52] <twidget> Is there a WinAmp for Linux? ;) [06:52] <twidget> LinuxAmp? [06:53] <buz> amarok? xmms? juk? noatun? [06:53] <Kaiser_sleep1> xmms or beep media player [06:53] <nikkia> apokryphos: really? nothing much seems to have changed in 1.3beta since 1.2beta, to me [06:53] <apokryphos> nikkia: that's unfair, they've done *so* much more than that. No other player has half the features it has, really. Maybe juk :P [06:53] <twidget> I was commenting on the conversation [06:53] <buz> the cover fetching feature rocks [06:53] <twidget> I'm using amarok ATM, but may change [06:53] <apokryphos> nikkia: in 1.3b3 alone: http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/57/66/ [06:53] <nikkia> buz, hardly innovative :P [06:53] <buz> mhh but it works ;) [06:54] <apokryphos> nikkia: I've been using it since 1.0, so perhaps that's why. Still. I see new features all the time. [06:54] <fre> fye [06:55] <nikkia> apokryphos: most of that list is eye-candy :P [06:56] <apokryphos> nikkia: point remains, evidently it's not development dead. 1.2 amaroK only had 3 backends [06:56] <apokryphos> it has 6 or something now [06:56] <nikkia> apokryphos: i didn't say it was development dead, i said i consider it development dead [06:56] <twidget> Is there something akin to Quicken in Lunix? [06:56] <apokryphos> nikkia: because they only add new features? :| [06:56] <fre> fye [06:56] <twidget> Linux, rather [06:56] <nikkia> apokryphos: based on the premise that there are playback issues that have been hanging around since 1.1 [06:57] <apokryphos> nikkia: seems like a seriously big leap [06:57] <apokryphos> playback issue since 1.1 -> dev dead [06:58] <apokryphos> I do wonder how they get so much development done, though, really. They're in the channel 24-7 [06:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: call me old fashioned, but i consider 'playback' the principle core of a media player, not eye candy [06:59] <nikkia> apokryphos: and yes, that means i do find the new BMP fork amusing [07:00] <apokryphos> I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, since I can't see one lingering issue as being indicative of dev deadness [07:00] <apokryphos> they're quite alive, I assure you -- you can talk to them :D [07:00] <nikkia> not one, several [07:00] <apokryphos> nikkia: I have no idea about the issues; perhaps they have reasons. Why not ask them? :) [07:05] <apokryphos> nikkia: ar well, I'm off for a nap before work. See you later. :) [07:25] <znh> hmm.. are there variants for 'kicker' ? [07:29] <znh> brb switching to faster freenode server [07:30] <znh> hehe from 130ms lag to 20ms [07:35] <twidget> How would I install this? http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=4708&package_id=4715&release_id=345726 [07:38] <incinerator> oh please, that's in universe [07:38] <twidget> sorry, I'm new to Linux in general and kubuntu in particular [07:39] <incinerator> just a sec [07:39] <incinerator> woot? newbs? in irc? [07:39] <incinerator> ;-) [07:39] <twidget> yeah, I'll admit it [07:39] <dutch> ya gotta start some place, just like the rest of the ppl in this channel :) [07:40] <twidget> yep, that's my attitude [07:40] <twidget> I'm a regular in #wordpress, and we try not to trash newbs too bad [07:40] <incinerator> edit /etc/apt/sources.list [07:40] <dutch> I've been banging my head on this stuff for 2 years now, and still don't know my ass from a hole in the ground... [07:41] <incinerator> e.g. kdesu kedit /etc/apt/sources.list [07:41] <twidget> I've got the extra repositories [07:41] <twidget> what's in under? [07:41] <twidget> it [07:41] <incinerator> then just run kynaptic or sudo apt-get install kmymoney2 [07:41] <twidget> okay [07:42] <incinerator> btw, kynaptic is in the "System" section of the kde menu [07:42] <twidget> there it goes [07:42] <twidget> thanks [07:42] <incinerator> don't use kpackage! [07:42] <incinerator> np [07:42] <twidget> I'm getting the hang of knaptic [07:42] <incinerator> btw, always worth to look at the wiki and kudos in particular [07:42] <incinerator> it sucks [07:42] <incinerator> i'd rather use apt-get directly [07:43] <incinerator> but well, me's a long time debian user [07:43] <twidget> I feel a Sunday afternoon nap about to overtake me [07:44] <incinerator> btw, http://www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php [07:45] <incinerator> http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf.html [07:45] <incinerator> bookmarke these two pages at once ;-) [07:45] <twidget> Doing so [07:46] <twidget> http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/amd64.html#amd64 w00t! [07:46] <twidget> That's what I've been looking for! [07:46] <twidget> Only one entry :( [07:47] <OculusAquilae> :-) [07:47] <incinerator> well, if it's not there you should try the unofficial ubuntu faq or the wiki [07:47] <incinerator> quite much of the stuff applies to kubuntu, as well [07:48] <twidget> Anything about not being able to access the hardware clock or some nonsense? [07:50] <twidget> Well, between nodding off and both my cats acting sleepy, apparently a Sunday afternoon nap is a must, bbl [08:09] <Edddie> I'm having a problem with changing date/time, it crashes after I enter my password [08:20] <lluka> YAY! [08:20] <lluka> :D:D:D:D:D [08:41] <lluka> hey is there somtehign similar to mandrakes urpmi [08:41] <lluka> for kubuntu? [08:42] <lluka> hello? :/ [08:45] <lluka> how do i install rpm [08:45] <lluka> with kubuntu [08:45] <lluka> >_< [08:46] <bbailey> !alien [08:46] <ubotu> alien is probably a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/ [08:47] <lluka> :/ [08:47] <lluka> is there anything that can install dependencies [08:47] <lluka> through the net [08:47] <lluka> like mandrake has? [08:52] <buz> apt-get build-dep someapp? [08:52] <buz> mhh ah no [08:52] <buz> overkill for rpms [08:52] <lluka> im trying to get rosegarden4 installed [08:52] <lluka> :/ [08:55] <buz> oh bloody hell [08:55] <buz> i accidentally installed the czech version of oo2 [08:56] <lluka> hey how do i switch sound cards in alsamixer? [09:01] <jharrison> howdy [09:01] <jharrison> does kubuntu have system tools like in the normal ubuntu? [09:01] <buz> if they arent gnome specific, yes [09:01] <jharrison> like the ubuntu update manager? [09:02] <buz> never heard of that one [09:02] <buz> we have kynaptic and apt-get ;) [09:02] <jharrison> so to update the system use kynaptic? [09:02] <buz> yes [09:02] <jharrison> also I have the unable to access /dev/dsp error upon logging into kde [09:02] <buz> mhh no idea about that [09:04] <lluka> i have 2 sound cards [09:04] <lluka> and i only want to use 1 [09:04] <lluka> :/ [09:04] <lluka> the onboard doesnt work [09:04] <lluka> :/ [09:05] <jharrison> I have an audigy 2 [09:05] <jharrison> the user is a part of the audio group [09:06] <jharrison> not sure why there are errors about unable to access /dev/dsp [09:06] <jharrison> sound server fails and is using null [09:06] <jharrison> maybe updates will fix it [09:07] <lluka> that happens to me when i try to switch cards [09:34] <_mark> hello anyone... I need help installing a fuji (usb) kamera). none of the supplied drivers "fits" my camera. (FujiFinePix 1400Zoom).One website saysI need to alter the kernel sources. How is this down under kubuntu? [09:42] <_mark> Testing to see if I am "really" connected.... Is anybody out there ???? [09:42] <Jeevan> no [09:42] <_mark> Thanks! [09:42] <Jeevan> you're the only one left on this planet [09:43] <_mark> Ha Ha.... [09:44] <_mark> Ok. I'mwondering if anyone can help me get a camera installed? [09:45] <Jeevan> hmm, the package tree already has KDE 4.x in there? [09:53] <brk3> could anyone tell me what they think of this laptop..? [09:53] <brk3> http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/product_detail.do?product_code=EC356UA%23ABA&tab=overview&storeName=&landing=&category=&subcat1=&catLevel=#defaultAnchor [09:56] <Jeevan> looks to be fine brk3 [09:56] <Jeevan> i'd check if that wireless card is supported in linux though [09:57] <brk3> Jeevan: thanks. thats what im trying to check now [09:57] <brk3> laptop seem fairly good specs for that price though ya? [09:57] <Jeevan> also, if they have nvidia graphics card option, i'd go with that [09:57] <Jeevan> yeah price seems right [09:58] <brk3> you have a laptop yourself? [09:58] <Jeevan> a powerbook yes [09:58] <brk3> work well with kubuntu? [09:59] <Jeevan> haven't tried [09:59] <Jeevan> i use ubuntu on my desktop [09:59] <Jeevan> which i'm on right now and which i use the most [10:00] <Jeevan> the powerbook has staye on os x [10:00] <brk3> ah [10:00] <Jeevan> from what i hear the wireless card doesn't work with ubuntu on the powerbook [10:00] <brk3> forgot [10:00] <_mark> Does anyoneknow how to add a new device under /dev ? don'thave "makedev" for some reason... [10:00] <brk3> i really want wlan to work [10:00] <Jeevan> they're reverse engineering the card and making progress though [10:00] <brk3> would be so cook [10:00] <Jeevan> yep [10:00] <brk3> *cool [10:00] <Jeevan> wireless is very important on a laptop :) [10:01] <brk3> why isnt there more linux supprot then [10:01] <brk3> i would've thought it would be top priority [10:01] <PieD> brk3: linux supports wireless without any problem [10:01] <Jeevan> because the vendors don't release the drivers [10:01] <PieD> if you have the drivers [10:01] <Jeevan> so linux devs have to reverse engineer those things basically [10:02] <brk3> Jeevan: ya but thats the same for alot of stuff [10:02] <Jeevan> which is not an easy task [10:02] <brk3> such a pity [10:02] <PieD> brk3: not really [10:02] <Jeevan> 'same for a lot of stuff'? [10:02] <brk3> well [10:02] <brk3> was the same [10:02] <Jeevan> i've found linux to have excellent support for the hardware i purchase [10:02] <PieD> wireless cards are more problematic : a lot of chipsets, no standard way of accessing features... [10:02] <brk3> but devs got it sorted [10:02] <Jeevan> the only thing I've had a problem with is wireless [10:03] <brk3> so whats the deal with this ndiswrapper thing [10:03] <brk3> is it good? [10:03] <Jeevan> it works [10:03] <PieD> Jeevan: not for me, I've got 1 peripheral not working out of the box with ubuntu : my wireless card [10:03] <PieD> the driver isn't provided with ubuntu [10:03] <PieD> ndiswrapper is dangerous [10:03] <brk3> why [10:03] <Jeevan> PieD: i said "the only thing I've had a problem with is wireless" ;) [10:03] <brk3> i keep hearing it is [10:03] <brk3> but not why [10:03] <Jeevan> how is it dangerous? [10:03] <Jeevan> from what i've heard it works fine [10:04] <Jeevan> not the ideal solution of course [10:04] <Jeevan> but better thannothing [10:04] <PieD> 1- You launch unknown drivers [10:04] <PieD> 2- Only available on x86 [10:05] <PieD> 3- Hardware makers are going to say : "our wireless card works on linux", while it's using ndiswrapper [10:05] <PieD> 4- It's slow [10:05] <Jeevan> 1) If you're calling drivers provided by the vendors, unknown, then i'm not sure how much more known you can get [10:05] <Jeevan> 2) True but not a problem for many [10:06] <Jeevan> especially considering apple is moving to x86 too now ;) [10:06] <Jeevan> 3) No they won't officially say that because that brings support responsibilities [10:06] <PieD> Jeevan: and AMD64 ? [10:06] <Jeevan> 4) Haven't tried it myself but haven't heard complaints in that area [10:07] <PieD> it can't be fast [10:07] <PieD> it's emulation [10:07] <Jeevan> not really [10:07] <brk3> later dudes [10:07] <Jeevan> it's a wrapper [10:07] <Jeevan> not emulation [10:07] <PieD> emulation will never be able to do better than native [10:07] <Jeevan> there is a significant difference [10:07] <PieD> it will be slower [10:07] <PieD> you have to translate the driver calls [10:07] <Jeevan> slower than not using a wrapper of couse but it's far from emulation [10:07] <PieD> you also have to implement the stupid ntkernel dcalls [10:09] <nocloud> if i have KDE 3.4, is it worth my while to upgrade to 3.4.2? [10:09] <PieD> yes [10:10] <PieD> especially if you use akregator, konqueror and kpdf [10:10] <nocloud> can you tell me how to upgrade? [10:10] <PieD> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php [10:10] <Jeevan> always good to upgrade to the minor point releases nocloud [10:11] <Jeevan> usually bugfixes and performance improvements [10:11] <PieD> (big performance improvements on akregator...) [10:11] <Jeevan> PieD: are you seeing kde 4 in your apt tree? [10:11] <nocloud> okay, so i need to add one line to my sources.list file right? [10:12] <Poromies> hoi, guys and galls.. anyone have any idea why i get only errors when i add those kde 342 repos to my sources? .. or, i get error saying that my arch (amd64) is not supported? [10:12] <PieD> Jeevan: who were enough silly to create KDE4 packages yet ??? [10:12] <PieD> nocloud: yes [10:12] <Jeevan> no idea but i'm seeing it in my apt tree PieD [10:12] <PieD> and then you start upgrade [10:12] <Jeevan> unless i'm reading it wrong [10:12] <PieD> ho, kdelibs4 ? [10:12] <Jeevan> 'kdelibs4' [10:12] <PieD> that's a stupid debian package name [10:12] <Jeevan> yeah [10:12] <nocloud> what do i do after i have added that line? can i find the package through kynaptic? [10:12] <PieD> I really don't no why they call it that way [10:13] <Jeevan> PieD: what do you mean? [10:13] <Jeevan> is that just 3.4.2? [10:13] <PieD> it's kdelibs 3.4.2 [10:13] <Jeevan> lol [10:13] <PieD> they do that since I discovered debian, and probably before [10:13] <Jeevan> i came from gentoo so I figured it's version 4 [10:13] <PieD> (so KDE 3.2.2...) [10:13] <PieD> nocloud: I won't help you with kynaptic, too hard to explain (I'm not used to it)) [10:13] <PieD> here are the command lines : [10:13] <PieD> sudo apt-get update [10:14] <PieD> sudo apt-get upgrade [10:14] <Jeevan> (gentoo has kde 4.x in the portage tree masked) [10:15] <nocloud> can somebody tell me how to become root user to i can edit the sources file? [10:15] <Jeevan> PieD: so in debian, the number in the package names themselves don't matter? [10:15] <Jeevan> sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list nocloud [10:15] <PieD> Jeevan: exactly [10:15] <Jeevan> good to know, that could have led to more confusion down the line thanks [10:16] <nocloud> just out of curiosity, what does vim mean/do? [10:16] <Jeevan> gentoo is the opposite [10:16] <PieD> vim is a text editor [10:16] <nocloud> ah, gotcha...so, i could type kate instead of vim and it would still work? [10:16] <Jeevan> substitute vim with 'nano' if you haven't used it nocloud [10:16] <Jeevan> yeah [10:17] <nocloud> so, just for final clarification, sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list works [10:17] <Jeevan> it should yes nocloud [10:18] <nocloud> allright, off to try it out, thanks guys [10:20] <Jeevan> i wonder why he needs to disconnect to do a apt-get upgrade [10:26] <nocloud> i tried using sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list and still don't have access to write to sources.list [10:26] <nocloud> does anybody know of anything else i can do so i can write to that file? [10:27] <Pierre-Yves> kdesudo kwrite ? [10:29] <linescanner> any one using Kontact to connect to a Kolab 2 server ? [10:30] <nocloud> i used the command "sudo su - " to become root [10:30] <nocloud> now, i am having trouble opening the sources.list file [10:34] <arnaud> Bonsoir [10:46] <arnaud> hello [10:48] <arnaud> Christophe971> t'es Point--Pitre? [10:52] <dragec> Hi all [10:53] <dragec> I have big problems with my kubuntu [10:53] <dragec> In fact, with apt-get [10:53] <dragec> (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing mplayer-386 (--remove): [10:53] <dragec> files list file for package `memtest86+' is missing final newline [10:53] <dragec> (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing mplayer-386 (--remove): [10:53] <dragec> files list file for package `memtest86+' is missing final newline [10:54] <dragec> Processing was halted because there were too many errors. [10:54] <dragec> And I can't do anything [10:54] <crimsun> erm, what did you do to /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ? [10:54] <dragec> Already tried to upgrade all packages [10:55] <dragec> Dunno [10:55] <dragec> A lot of files in there [10:55] <dragec> What could I've done? [10:55] <dragec> Already tried to upgrade all packages, apt downloads them, but cannot install them because of upper error. [10:56] <dragec> Also tried to reinstall memtest86+ package, but same thing happens [10:56] <dragec> So, what now? [10:57] <dragec> I can't remove, install, or upgrade anything [10:57] <uniq> try do add a final new line to /var/lib/dpkg/info/memtest86+.list [10:57] <dragec> Always above error appears [10:58] <dragec> (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing mplayer-386 (--remove): [10:58] <dragec> files list file for package `memtest86+' contains empty filename [10:59] <dragec> Ok, can someone DCC memtest86+.list file to me? [10:59] <uniq> removbe the final blank line, and save. [11:00] <dragec> files list file for package `libelfg0' is missing final newline [11:00] <dragec> Shit [11:00] <dragec> So what, every file misses final newline?? [11:01] <uniq> heh.. try to do the same with that then.. i do not have that problem,.. then again i'm on a stable hoary system right now. [11:01] <dragec> (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing mplayer-386 (--remove): [11:01] <dragec> files list file for package `linux-386' is missing final newline [11:01] <dragec> Arrrghhhhhhhh [11:02] <_jd> how do I right click on a mac? [11:02] <|rockinnerd|> _jd, hold down button [11:02] <uniq> f12 [11:02] <|rockinnerd|> oops, thats in OS X [11:03] <_jd> i mean in kubuntu [11:03] <dragec> After fixing /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-386.list, this error appears [11:03] <dragec> (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing mplayer-386 (--remove): [11:03] <dragec> files list file for package `libreadline4' is missing final newline [11:03] <dragec> Holy crap [11:03] <dragec> I'll have to fix all files one by one? [11:03] <|rockinnerd|> Linux Journal Is Currently Unavailable Due to a Denial of Service (DoS) Attack [11:03] <|rockinnerd|> Sorry for any inconvenience. [11:03] <|rockinnerd|> :( [11:04] <uniq> f12. if your /etc/sysclt.conf contains the lines needed.. i'm not on a mac now, but it's there by default. [11:04] <dragec> So , what dou you people suggest me to do now? [11:04] <_jd> that worked, thanks uniq [11:04] <dragec> Fix files one by one? [11:05] <_mark> Is anyone on here knowledgable in creating new devices using MAKEDEV ? [11:05] <dragec> I'll never fix all those files [11:05] <|rockinnerd|> _mark, google what /dev inode you need to find out the #s you need to specify [11:06] <|rockinnerd|> but i think you can just cd /etc; sudo ./MAKDEV inode [11:06] <|rockinnerd|> replace inode with the /dev device u need [11:06] <_mark> jrockinnerd, not sure what you mean... [11:06] <|rockinnerd|> look on TLDP.org for inode [11:07] <|rockinnerd|> Hell hath frozen over: Mac has made a 2 button mouse [11:07] <_mark> OK. I did this... but it puts all the devices I create into .dev instead of /dev [11:08] <|rockinnerd|> did u cd to /dev [11:08] <_mark> yes. [11:10] <|rockinnerd|> err.. [11:11] <|rockinnerd|> cp it from ur .dev folder to /dev [11:13] <_mark> jrockinnerd, I did this too. What I am trying to do is to get a digital camera recognized. it should be recognized when I plug it up usb - but it doesn't. another site said to mount it to /dev/sda1, so I am trying to make /dev/sda1. [11:14] <uniq> _mark: alt+f2 '#MAKEDEV' <enter> find your device section.. and run 'MAKEDEV section' where section can be ie. irda.. [11:14] <uniq> you don't need to make /dev/sda1. [11:14] <_mark> Ok. I'll try it... [11:15] <uniq> if it's recognized it'll be automagically created by udev+hotplug. [11:15] <uniq> if it's not it's not recognized. [11:15] <uniq> take a look at the output of 'dmesg' in konsole.. to see what happens when it's inserted. [11:16] <uniq> inserted/plugged in [11:16] <_mark> uniq, thanks. I'll try that now. by the way -- I upgraded to 3.4.2 and now "alt+F2" doesn't work anymore! [11:18] <_mark> Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... [11:18] <_mark> usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage [11:18] <_mark> USB Mass Storage support registered. [11:18] <_mark> uniq, here is what dmesg outputs: [11:18] <uniq> hum.. can't help you there.. haven't had the time to upgrade myself yet.. girlfriend and work isn't compatible with community work and keeping updated.. :/ [11:18] <_mark> Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... [11:18] <_mark> usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage [11:18] <_mark> USB Mass Storage support registered. [11:19] <uniq> no syncing.. hmm.. [11:20] <uniq> try to modprobe sd [11:20] <uniq> or something.. i''ll check the module name for yoiu.. hang on. [11:20] <_mark> FATAL: Module sd not found. [11:20] <uniq> sd_mod [11:21] <_mark> uniq, it didn't output anything, but didn'tgive error message either... [11:21] <uniq> that's good. [11:22] <uniq> now look at 'dmesg' again. [11:23] <_mark> nope. same output. [11:24] <uniq> ok.. then i don't know.. yoiu could check /proc/patritions just to make sure it's not listed there.. [11:25] <uniq> but, i'll have to go now.. sorry i couldn't help you more.. work in 6 hours.. gnite and good luck with your camera. [11:25] <uniq> btw. you could try to use kamera with PTP mode.. doesn't need it to be recognizerd by usb-storage.. [11:26] <uniq> or just ru gphoto2 from the commandline 'gphoto2 -P' to download all pictures to the current directory. (might need to be run with sudo).. [11:26] <uniq> and it also might need to be installed first. [11:27] <uniq> nite. [11:27] <_mark> thanks for the help. [11:30] <hater2win> alright [11:30] <hater2win> so get this [11:31] <hater2win> i downloaded firefox from getfirefox.com [11:31] <hater2win> and i install it to /opt/firefox [11:31] <hater2win> 2 questions [11:31] <hater2win> 1. can i make it show up in the apps manu... and how? [11:31] <hater2win> 2. If I can't how do I uninstall it and make the repository one show up in the meny [11:33] <_silvertear> hater2win: i think i would be better if you did sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox [11:33] <hater2win> bah i tried that, but nothing... thats why i need to know how to uninstall =/ [11:33] <_silvertear> kynaptic package manager will take care of adding the shortcuts and stuff [11:34] <_silvertear> did you try kde menu editor? i never used it myself but i'm pretty sure it can do it [11:35] <dull4o4> Hello [11:35] <dull4o4> Anyone know how to disable quick user change in kde? [11:35] <dull4o4> ..and get the button "change user" while screen is locked?? [11:35] <EasterSunshine> i don't know about unistalling the one from getfirefox.com, read up on how do it from the website maybe [11:35] <_mark> dull404, not sure what that is? [11:36] <dull4o4> press kde-button. the thing just above lock screen (change user) [11:36] <dull4o4> i dont want it [11:38] <dull4o4> there is an option for it somewhere cant remember though [11:42] <dull4o4> anyone know?

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.638208

2005-08-12-#kubuntu-devel

[03:17] <author> re [03:18] <Mez> re? [03:18] <author> its mean [03:18] <Mez> ?? [03:18] <author> " i'm back" [03:18] <author> ;) [03:19] <author> search google oder wikipedia [03:21] <sebas> Searching for "re" probably isn't useful. [03:22] <author> then search for "irc channel and re" [03:22] <author> at google ;) [03:22] <sebas> Still not useful :) [03:22] <author> grgr :) [03:24] <author> /author stands not for this words [03:25] <sebas> :> [03:32] <Mez> sebas, watch yopurn language [03:33] <sebas> Mez: What's wrong with it? [03:33] <Mez> It can be considered as cursing [03:34] <sebas> By people who have nothing better to do, probably. [03:35] <author> *rofl* [03:35] <author> lol this is the kubuntu-devel channel :D [06:04] <Mez> Riddell, ping [06:06] <author> "re" [06:12] <Mez> Riddell, unping [06:54] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: We have a german kubuntu-channel, too, now

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.651537

2005-08-25-#ubuntu-toolchain

[12:03] <jbailey> I was checking out the gcc-4.0 ftbfs that filed in Debian. [12:04] <doko> which one? [12:04] <jbailey> Making sure I could close it in Ubuntu when I discovered that it was ftbfs here. [12:04] <jbailey> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13660 [12:08] <doko> ah, yes, that one should be fixed with the biarch include dirs? [12:10] <jbailey> I was hoping so, or that it didn't affect us at all (since we were able to build gcc-4.0 before just against the glibc) [12:10] <jbailey> But then I had that ftbfs. [12:10] <jbailey> So... =) [12:12] <doko> the 3.4 with biarch include dirs is in the archives. [12:34] <jbailey> Cool! [09:10] <lamont-away> doko: fwiw, gcc-3.4's logwatch process never exits, until you kill it... :-( [hppa] [09:16] <doko> lamont-away: but it does terminate for 4.0? [09:19] <lamont-away> dunno - I'll make a note of it next time there's a 4.0 upload [09:19] <doko> jbailey: the glibc build did fail on i386 ... [09:20] <lamont-away> doko: -9 or -10? [09:21] <doko> -9 [09:21] <lamont-away> (-9 is known/expected, -10 should build...) [09:21] <lamont-away> he was grumbling about it earlier [09:21] <doko> I don't see a -10 [09:21] <lamont-away> he was going to upload it sometime "soonish" [09:21] <lamont-away> -9 had missing build-depends, iirc [09:21] <lamont-away> but it's 0121, I should really crawl into bed [09:23] <doko> good night, really :) [09:24] <doko> jbailey: if you move around the headers in l-k-h, the headers for the default arch will stay where they are? [10:09] <jbailey> ROAR I hate sleeping alone in such a big place. Noises keep waking me up. [10:10] <jbailey> doko: I was testing that gcc-4.0 still built correctly with the new glibc and the build deps in a clean chroot while I was at it. [10:12] <doko> heh, think you're in Montreal? [10:12] <jbailey> Err.. [10:12] <jbailey> Is this one of those twilight zone moments where you tell me that I'm really in another universe? [10:13] <doko> anyway, do you have a l-k-h package which I can test? [10:13] <doko> you didn't move from Toronto to some French province? [10:13] <jbailey> Yup. The province of Qubec, city of Montral. [10:15] <jbailey> Hey, I see that the massive failures in gcc-4 biarch went away except in Java and mudflap, cool. [10:17] <doko> we disabled mudflap for biarch [10:17] <jbailey> doko: But in Toronto we lived on the 11th floor surrounded by concrete. [10:17] <jbailey> And it was a 1-room appartment. [10:17] <jbailey> Here, there's 4 rooms, and it's woodframe. [10:17] <jbailey> So things creak and groan, and they're too far away to just look at from bed. [10:17] <doko> and libjava isn't built as well, so the failures are ok [10:18] <jbailey> I think what woke me up just now was the door to the outside storage swingning a bit (It's broken and needs to be repaired so that it will stay shut) [10:18] <jbailey> But I woke up basically to the sound of a door openning. [10:18] <jbailey> *sigh* [10:19] <jbailey> glibc ubuntu10 uploaded. [10:19] <doko> do you have a l-k-h for testing somewhere? [10:19] <doko> thanks [10:20] <jbailey> I don't. I was trying to decide if it's worth it for breezy, or if it's too featurish. [10:20] <jbailey> Right now it's setup the same way that ppc/ppc64, sparc/sparc64 and s390/s390x is. [10:20] <doko> if we want to build the libs from amd64-libs, it's needed [10:20] <jbailey> Why? I think the current biarch stuff should cover it [10:21] <doko> no, that' what drow did mention. [10:21] <doko> i.e. ncurses includes the wrong headers. wait ... [10:21] <jbailey> Debian's lkh is only vaguely related to Ubuntu's. =( [10:22] <jbailey> Lemme double check. [10:22] <jbailey> Oh, hmm, I'm on crack it seems. [10:22] <jbailey> I thought I had biarch'd i386 [10:23] <doko> ncurses in my home on chinstrap [10:24] <jbailey> Ah, I have done so. [10:24] <jbailey> Right. the asm directories, not the linux/ directory which is common. [10:24] <doko> shouldn't it be safe, if we just move the headers for the non-default arch to /usr/include/<arch> ? [10:25] <jbailey> It should be, but I think Matt considers those things to be features. [10:25] <jbailey> And it should be safe to do it the way it's already done, since that's how it's been for other biarchs in the Sarge release. [10:26] <doko> so we have to keep amd64-libs, but drop glibc from it? [10:26] <jbailey> No idea. I wouldn't have considered those features. [10:27] <doko> well, one goal was to remove at least amd64-libs

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.661105

2005-08-25-#ubuntu-motu

[12:30] <marcin> hi all [12:30] <marcin> anyone? [12:30] <crimsun> hi [12:30] <marcin> I need some help with emacs packages [12:30] <marcin> crimsun: hi [12:30] <crimsun> I think I'll run away screaming now. [12:31] <marcin> crimsun: hehe :) [12:31] <marcin> crimsun: you don't like emacs? why oh why ;) [12:33] <marcin> heh and he propably is far far away now... no way to ask [01:03] <crimsun> wtf, did I add gstreamer0.8-plugins as a B-D? [01:03] <crimsun> duh! [02:35] <bmonty> good evening everyone [02:44] <rbelem> bmonty, good evening ,-) [02:45] <bmonty> seems pretty quiet in here :) [02:53] <rbelem> today is friday... i think the people are a bit tired... hehehe [08:44] <pef> hello [08:47] <pef> where can I find the official documentation about the path of desktop files ? (/usr/share/applications instead of /usr/share/applnk) [08:54] <\sh> morning [08:58] <pef> \sh: morning [09:07] <siretart> morning [10:40] <crimsun> hmm. [10:40] <crimsun> ?? -> mozilla-dev: Depends: mozilla-browser (= 2:1.7.11-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed [11:08] <siretart> yay! [11:08] <siretart> finally a working lyx! [11:09] <siretart> bob2 promised to upload a new lyx version to sid today, I'm using a package from Georg Baum, lyx upstream [11:31] <Yagisan> siretart: ping [11:34] <pef> siretart: have you check kile ? ;) [11:39] <siretart> pef: I had a short look at kile, I prefer lyx [11:39] <siretart> pef: in my department, a lot of ppl are using lyx [11:39] <siretart> Yagisan: pong [11:41] <Yagisan> siretart: did one of my uploads get nuked ? [11:41] <Yagisan> siretart: according to dput, it went up yesterday, but I don't see it tooday [11:42] <Yagisan> siretart: package was deng-jheretic-tp [11:42] <siretart> I have deng-jheretic-tp in rejected queue [11:43] <siretart> because it was signed with a key not in revu keyring [11:43] <Yagisan> should I reupload ? [11:43] <Yagisan> that's funny, my key is there [11:43] <siretart> did you use a different key? [11:43] <siretart> shall I add 4B6E7209, too? [11:43] <Yagisan> no [11:43] <siretart> strange.. [11:44] <Yagisan> that's my number [11:44] <siretart> strange.. [11:44] <Yagisan> I had an old key, but that sadly is no longer with us [11:45] <siretart> I requeued your upload [11:45] <siretart> ok, your upload is now in revu [11:45] <Yagisan> thank you. There should only be one or two more new uploads to go [11:46] <Yagisan> then I'm finished with what I am sending to revu [11:46] <Yagisan> It's odd my key was rejected [11:46] <siretart> I think they are very similar to packages you already uploaded, yes? [11:47] <Yagisan> basicall a hexen version of whats been uploaded [11:47] <Yagisan> upstream did a new release yesterday [11:47] <Yagisan> so I need to test, and adjust as required [11:47] <Yagisan> mayby delete obsolete packages [11:49] <Yagisan> I feel silly, but when I try to login to revu, it says invalid password [11:49] <siretart> Yagisan: try the recover password link\ [11:49] <Yagisan> I did [11:49] <siretart> still bad? [11:49] <Yagisan> decrypted fine [11:49] <Yagisan> yes [11:49] <Yagisan> Do I need to be a reviewer to comment on my packages [11:49] <Yagisan> ? [11:52] <siretart> Yagisan: you need reviewer status for commenting other packages [11:52] <siretart> whats your email again? [11:52] <Yagisan> jamie_jones_au@yahoo.com.au [11:53] <siretart> argl [11:53] <siretart> it's because of the '_' in your email, wait. I'll fix that [11:54] <Yagisan> :) [11:55] <siretart> Yagisan: now your password works. was a bug in revu [11:56] <Yagisan> thanks siretart. [12:17] <n> I've just tried the latest opensuse beta and I'm very impressed with its 'Suspend to disk' shutdown/boot feature which has halved my boot time. Will breezy implement this too? [12:19] <tseng> it already does. [12:19] <n> tseng: colony 3 does that? [12:19] <tseng> yes. [12:20] <n> Last breezy beta I tried was very unstable- whats c3 like? Useable? [12:20] <tseng> works for me, your mileage may vary, etc [12:20] <tseng> its much improved [12:21] <n> Does suspend to disk work under KDE, GNOME or both? [12:21] <tseng> suspend to disk is in the kernel [12:21] <n> (under colony 3) [12:21] <\sh> n: both [12:21] <\sh> n: it worked as well on hoary on some laptops [12:22] <n> right, I'll have to give it a go then! [12:59] <ivoks> hi [01:01] <\sh> hey ivoks [01:01] <ivoks> what's up? [01:02] <\sh> how's life? [01:02] <ivoks> heh... great :) [01:02] <Nafallo> I got stuck with my head in the rabbitcage :-/ [01:03] <ivoks> i met one girl while on vacation :) [01:03] <\sh> ivoks: only one? [01:03] <ivoks> ok, i met couple of them... [01:03] <ivoks> but this one... huh... i'm in love :) [01:03] <\sh> hehe [01:03] <ivoks> but she's 400km from me :( [01:04] <\sh> ivoks: east or west? [01:04] <ivoks> southwest :) [01:04] <\sh> italy? [01:04] <\sh> turkey? [01:04] <\sh> come on...tell us... [01:04] <ivoks> croatia, you silly boy [01:04] <ivoks> there is no girl like croatian girl :) [01:05] <\sh> that I said to my ZA-indian girl as well [01:05] <ivoks> i see you never were in croatia :) [01:06] <Treenaks> ivoks: I see you've never been to Scandinavia :P [01:06] <ivoks> Treenaks: :)) i have expirience with them :) [01:06] <ivoks> Treenaks: i don't prefere blond girls :) [01:07] <ivoks> lot's of swedes were in croatia this summer [01:07] <ivoks> and they brought their kids... female kids :) [01:08] <Treenaks> dudes, this is #ubuntu-motu, not #ubuntu-mate [01:08] <\sh> ahhaha [01:08] <ivoks> :) [01:08] <Treenaks> (in the non-Australian sense of that word :)) [01:08] <Nafallo> those are Swedes to ;-) [01:08] <ivoks> Nafallo: yeah :) [01:08] <\sh> we have a discussion about logging of the #ubuntu-de channel...because some people doesn't like the way, the logfiles are published via web [01:08] <Nafallo> http://www.magicalforest.se/tmp/mys.jpg is picture proof of that ;-) [01:09] <Nafallo> \sh: we have that issue on #ubuntu.se to. [01:09] <\sh> they're frightend that anybody can read their words...and this is sometimes ah well...not positive for them ,-) [01:09] <Nafallo> \sh: we just tell them to add it to the agenda for next meeting ;-) [01:10] <Treenaks> ok.. expect no more useful work from ivoks until breezy+1 release at least ;) [01:10] <Nafallo> hehe :-) [01:10] <\sh> hahaha [01:11] <ivoks> and there is no ADSL :) [01:11] <\sh> oh sh*t i have to hang my clothes [01:12] <Nafallo> ivoks: then it's dep-wait: adsl :-) [01:12] <Nafallo> ivoks: tell the girl that to ;-) [01:13] <ivoks> Nafallo: who is this? :) [01:13] <ivoks> ok, i see i have to show you pictures of croatian girls :) [01:13] <Nafallo> ivoks: on the picture? :-) [01:13] <ivoks> Nafallo: yeah :) [01:13] <Treenaks> Nafallo: your link is slow btw (re: your picture :) [01:14] <Nafallo> ivoks: me and my girlfriend since soon three years :-) [01:14] <Nafallo> ivoks: re: swedish girls ;-) [01:14] <Nafallo> Treenaks: no shit :-P 430kbit in/out :-) [01:14] <ivoks> lol non-blond scandinavian [01:14] <Treenaks> Nafallo: I thought Sweden was Bandwidth Paradise [01:15] <Nafallo> Treenaks: not for everyone :-/ [01:15] <Nafallo> Treenaks: my KC can do 8Mbit with best effort, they only sell 2Mbit max for it. [01:15] <Treenaks> Nafallo: I can get 20mbit/1mbit ADSL2+ if I want [01:16] <Nafallo> Treenaks: baah :-P [01:16] <Treenaks> (I'll probably get 10/1, but whatever) [01:16] <Treenaks> Nafallo: I'm now on 2/1 though [01:16] <Nafallo> I usually prefer symmetric ADSL though ;-) [01:17] <Nafallo> and this ISP is great, like: do what you want, we won't block no ports. [01:17] <Treenaks> Nafallo: SDSL, they only sell up to 2.3/2.3mbit here [01:17] <Treenaks> for massive amounts of money/month [01:17] <Nafallo> Treenaks: it is ADSL, but shaped to 512/512kbit by them and 430/430kbit by me ;-). [01:17] <Treenaks> why 430 by you? [01:18] <Treenaks> so you always have 82kbit spare/ [01:18] <Treenaks> ? [01:18] <Nafallo> the damn PPPoE will drop on >= 440kbit [01:18] <Nafallo> :-) [01:18] <Treenaks> Nafallo: ah, then I have a better deal :) [01:18] <Nafallo> hehe [01:18] <Treenaks> Nafallo: I get pure ethernet (DHCP) [01:18] <Treenaks> no additional wrapping [01:19] <Treenaks> and soon I'll even get native ipv6 \o/ [01:20] <ivoks> ok, i'll upload some photos for you :) [01:20] <Nafallo> only one ISP in Sweden does that to my knowledge, and that's the one that belonged to the state earlier. they really, really, really, really does suck a lot :-). my father had them when I lived at my parents. [01:20] <Treenaks> Nafallo: www.xs4all.nl :) [01:20] <Treenaks> Nafallo: should be understandable for Swedes :) [01:20] <Nafallo> baah, I need .se ;-) [01:20] <Nafallo> atleast to change to them ;-) [01:21] <Treenaks> Nafallo: they offer dialup accounts [01:21] <Treenaks> Nafallo: ;) [01:21] <Nafallo> baah [01:22] <Nafallo> hmm, maybe the eight torrents I have running explains why it's a bit slow atm ;-) [01:22] <Treenaks> :P [01:24] <Nafallo> btw, I have a project from someone ;-) [01:24] <Nafallo> convert torrentflux from php to python ;-) [01:36] <ivoks> Nafallo: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/summer2005/img009.jpeg [01:36] <Nafallo> I prefer bigger boobs ;-) [01:37] <ivoks> :) [01:37] <ivoks> i'm still uploading photos :) [01:38] <ivoks> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/summer2005/img001.jpeg.html - mom from chezh :) [01:40] <Lathiat> haha ivoks [01:42] <\sh> ivoks: damnit...u r making me horny ,-) [01:42] <ivoks> :) [01:42] <\sh> em...your pictures [01:42] <\sh> lol [01:42] <ivoks> i? :)) [01:42] <\sh> ivoks: the girls [01:42] <ivoks> hehe [01:42] <\sh> damn..I should write [01:43] <ivoks> best photos are still to be uploaded :) [01:44] <ivoks> those from night life :) [01:44] <Nafallo> hehe [01:44] <pef> I have a problem with the path of a desktop file [01:44] <Nafallo> ivoks: cute cats :-) [01:45] <ivoks> yeah... [01:45] <pef> what's the status of /usr/share/applnk ? is it needed by something ? [01:45] <\sh> sometimes from kde [01:46] <ivoks> gthumb is great app :) [01:46] <Lathiat> wtf i just X forwarded soemthing off another box [01:46] <Nafallo> indeed [01:46] <Lathiat> and all the pixmaps are messed up [01:46] <Lathiat> anyway that could be breezys fault? [01:47] <Lathiat> hrm worked for the gimp, eog must be broken [01:53] <ivoks> Nafallo: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/summer2005/img056.jpeg.html [01:55] <ivoks> \sh: check out that girl with black hair :) http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/summer2005/img065.jpeg.html [01:56] <\sh> ivoks: go away ,-) [01:56] <Nafallo> looks Swedish ;-) [01:56] <ivoks> lol [01:56] <sistpoty> hi folks [01:56] <\sh> hey sistpoty [01:56] <ivoks> hello [01:56] <Nafallo> morning sistpoty :-) [01:56] <ivoks> Nafallo: there is nothing swedish in her :) [01:57] <Nafallo> ivoks: except the looks ;-) [01:57] <ivoks> hm, i'll upload them again, but without resizing :) [01:57] <ivoks> Nafallo: nope :) [01:57] <ivoks> this blond one... she's obviusly from chech republic or poland :) [02:01] <Nafallo> to me, any of those girls could have been from Sweden ;-) [02:01] <ivoks> :)) [02:01] <Nafallo> hmm, maybe I should make \sh drool ;-) [02:01] <Nafallo> \sh: http://www.heartland.nu/~nafallo/elin/ [02:01] <Nafallo> :-) [02:02] <\sh> did I say, I'm single? [02:02] <\sh> and did I say, that I had no *** for over 1 year now? [02:03] <ivoks> :)) [02:03] <Nafallo> \sh: nope ;-) (some of this I knew anyway) [02:03] <\sh> I think I have to catch one of those brasilian chicks walking on the streets in kerpen now [02:03] <ivoks> \sh: go on vacation :) [02:03] <\sh> and give them the spirit of god ,-) [02:03] <\sh> lol [02:03] <ivoks> i'm sure you'll get laid in croatia :) [02:03] <\sh> Nafallo: nice one...:) btw. [02:04] <Nafallo> \sh: one of my best friends :-) [02:04] <\sh> ivoks: I don't want :) [02:04] <ivoks> :> [02:04] <\sh> ivoks: I'm waiting for my girl :) u see..I'm older and I don't want to do mistakes anymore :) [02:05] <ivoks> \sh: listen... [02:05] <ivoks> i didn't want anything seriuos this summer [02:05] <\sh> so..no *** without a marriage [02:06] <ivoks> but after 2-3 days haning out with this girl, i realized she's great :) [02:06] <ivoks> and we started with a "hi" "hi" "let's have ***" [02:06] <ivoks> so... you never know... [02:07] <\sh> oh well...I'm refusing to think about those actions..;) [02:07] <ivoks> Nafallo: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/summer2005/img095.jpeg.small.jpeg [02:07] <ivoks> well, guys... this is me :) [02:07] <ivoks> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/summer2005/img089.jpeg.html [02:07] <ivoks> the one in the shirt :) [02:08] <\sh> both are nice ;) [02:08] <ivoks> lol [02:08] <siretart> hehe [02:08] <siretart> hi ivoks! [02:08] <ivoks> both are straight :) [02:08] <ivoks> siretart: hi [02:09] <\sh> ivoks: u should think about going both ways *rotfl* [02:09] <ivoks> :)) [02:09] <ivoks> no, i'm fine with 3vs1 (where 1 is one man) :) [02:09] <\sh> now we're completly OT [02:09] <ivoks> \sh: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/summer2005/img096.jpeg.html - drool :) [02:10] <\sh> ah come one [02:10] <ivoks> we aren't offtopic [02:10] <Nafallo> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/summer2005/img102.jpeg.html :-) [02:11] <ivoks> this pictures are uploaded with ubuntu, and web album is created with gthumb :) [02:11] <Nafallo> ivoks: is there another way to do it? :-) [02:11] <sistpoty> cya later [02:12] <ivoks> finally my modem works too :) [02:12] <ivoks> lspci told me it's smartlink, so i got my self smartlink drivers [02:12] <ivoks> and, as i said, everything worked, but ATDT and ATDP [02:12] <ivoks> now... i tried lspci -vvv [02:13] <ivoks> and check out that crap - it's conexant :) [02:13] <Nafallo> ivoks: you can package those i386/amd64 drivers for us :-) [02:13] <ivoks> Nafallo: i use conexant drivers now [02:14] <Nafallo> hmm, oki [02:14] <ivoks> acctually, i install them when i need, and deinstall them after - i get kernel panic with that module loaded [02:15] <\sh> it's bad, that my quickcam is not working on linux [02:16] <ivoks> Nafallo: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/summer2005/img114.jpeg.html [02:25] <siretart> Mez: ping [02:27] <siretart> Mez: if you are at it, can you please make proftpd backported? [02:27] <siretart> Mez: there are some security issues fixed in the version in breezy, we had yesterday someone concerned about this [02:27] <siretart> ok, now back to prepare-party-mode.. [02:48] <\sh> going to sleep at least 2 hours more...laters [02:48] <Treenaks> I have a much beetter pic of Andrew! http://foodfight.org/fotos/2004/12-08%20Ubuntu%20Conference/?img_0001.jpg ;) [02:48] <Treenaks> (re: planet ubuntu) [03:43] <tseng> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=414&slide=8 [03:43] <tseng> im reminded of how ugly this start page is [03:43] <tseng> is someone hacking a new one? [03:57] <sedak> hello motus ! [03:57] <sedak> anyone interested in reviewing my package ? [03:57] <sedak> it'll be much fun ... [03:57] <sedak> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=441 [03:58] <dsas> can someone let me know the approximate final date for having a package included in breezy? [03:58] <sedak> it's a kernel driver, so it'll be better if you had the device [03:58] <sedak> no idea [07:25] <alisher> hallo, I have a question, is there any possibility to get Gajim jabber client into Universe? [07:25] <alisher> there is already the package in the debian repositories [07:25] <alisher> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/gajim [07:29] <\sh> alisher: did u read the debian bts? [07:29] <\sh> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=gajim [07:33] <hubW> perhaps someone should volunteer to fix it [07:33] <hubW> like alisher :-) [07:34] <tseng> it looks pretty nice [07:34] <\sh> yes.. [07:34] <\sh> I tried it the last time. [07:34] <\sh> it build nicely...but running no [07:35] <\sh> tseng: u fixed the amd64/ppc ftbfs as well for mythtv? ,-) [07:35] <tseng> no [07:35] <tseng> i have no ppc nor amd64 [07:36] <\sh> tseng: i tried 0.18.1 it ftbfs at the same line on amd64 [07:36] <\sh> tseng: but mdz told me, that upstream has a amd64 now, and the issues will go in a while ,-) [07:37] <tseng> ok [07:37] <tseng> i wonder if mdz will work on the plugins [07:37] <\sh> why? we will do it ,-) [07:37] <\sh> it's universe ,-) [07:37] <tseng> its a new upstream release [07:37] <tseng> and needs to be completely repackaged [07:38] <tseng> he is the maintainer [07:38] <\sh> tseng: not now...for breezy+1 eventually [07:38] <tseng> well then the plugins wont work [07:38] <tseng> in breezy [07:38] <\sh> for i386? [07:38] <tseng> for anyone [07:38] <tseng> they are for 0.17 [07:38] <\sh> i386 mythtv wrks [07:38] <\sh> args [07:39] <tseng> 0.18 makes all the plugins one source package [07:39] <tseng> needs to be repacked [07:39] <tseng> and remove all the old sources [07:40] <tseng> the ppc log is nice [07:40] <tseng> {standard input}:3378: Error: Unrecognized opcode: `emms' [07:40] <tseng> i wonder how it managed that [07:40] <\sh> yeah...and amd64 is much nicer [07:41] <tseng> oh its using ccache still too [07:41] <\sh> it's correct [07:41] <\sh> and it's ok [07:41] <tseng> {standard input}:15149: Error: bad register name `%' [07:41] <tseng> ooh. [07:41] <tseng> shiny. [07:42] <\sh> and for 0.18.1 the same error [07:42] <tseng> so this thing is full of x86 assembly? [07:42] <tseng> or something [07:43] <\sh> sure [07:43] <\sh> libavcodec [08:39] <\sh> Nafallo: pingeling [08:41] <\sh> hmmm..does anybody has problems with firefox after libcairo2 update? [08:41] <\sh> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13881 [08:47] <\sh> gajim is running on breezy [09:07] <sedak> no problem with firefox+new libcairo2 [09:07] <\sh> hmmm [09:08] <\sh> which version? i have 1.0.6-1ubuntu7 [09:08] <Nafallo> \sh: yes honey? :-) [09:09] <\sh> Nafallo: do some mockups for a good shtoom gnome frontend pls ,-) [09:09] <Nafallo> \sh: dude. feature freeze ;-) [09:09] <sedak> 1.0.6-1ubuntu7 too [09:11] <\sh> Nafallo: for breezy+ [09:11] <\sh> 1 [09:12] <Nafallo> sure, but not now :-). have to clean up in here + rabbit's cage [09:12] <Nafallo> and that probably means bbl as well ;-) [09:13] <\sh> Nafallo: and join #shtoom :) lowtraffic, but quit interessting ,-) [09:14] <\sh> Nafallo: we will rock [09:46] <comadreja> hey \sh [10:13] <JanC> \sh, when is gajim going to be available in breezy? [10:15] <\sh> I just repackaged 0.8 and have to adjust some things [10:15] <\sh> debian has 0.7* [10:15] <\sh> and 0.8 is much better [10:17] <\sh> and it's a good start for a combination of jabber and SIP [10:18] <JanC> how does it use SIP ? [10:19] <\sh> JanC: via shtoom integration... [10:19] <\sh> I want to have a client which is capable of sharing the roster [10:19] <\sh> SIP Express Router can handle this as well... [10:19] <JanC> oh, nice, even if I don't have a headset or microphone :) [10:20] <\sh> JanC: SER has a jabber module..so u can use the SIP contact as jabber contact [10:20] <\sh> (the SIP server needs to have a jabber installed as well) [10:25] <JanC> uhu, I read "SIMPLE2Jabber gateway" on their homepage [10:25] <\sh> yepp [10:25] <JanC> SIMPLE is the SIP based IM protocol IBM uses IIRC ? [10:25] <\sh> no [10:26] <\sh> SIMPLE is the standard of aim/irc [10:26] <\sh> s/irc/icq/ [10:26] <JanC> I thought that was "OSCAR" ? [10:26] <\sh> it's also called simple ;) [10:26] <\sh> or yahoo or whatever [10:26] <\sh> doesn't interessed me ;) [10:29] <\sh> http://www.acmqueue.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=93&page=2 [10:29] <\sh> 3 [10:29] <\sh> grmpf [10:30] <JanC> so Microsoft is going to use SIMPLE ? [10:30] <\sh> something like this [10:31] <\sh> and SIP is using it [10:31] <JanC> ah, and like I thought: IBM Lotus Sametime supports SIMPLE :) [10:34] <\sh> but IBM supports as well jabber [10:40] <JanC> typical for IBM :) [10:41] <JanC> they also support Windows & Linux & AIX & ... [10:56] <hub> JanC: they don't support linux. you can't buy a laptop without Windows [10:56] <hub> JanC: so that's bullshit they support linux [10:56] <JanC> ibm doesn't sell laptops... [10:56] <JanC> (anymore) [10:56] <hub> they do [10:56] <hub> they still do [10:56] <hub> they also sell Notes [10:56] <hub> it does not have a Linux client [10:57] <hub> whatever quality or lack thereof the product has [10:57] <JanC> and they don't have a windows version of "ibm web server" [10:57] <hub> http://www-131.ibm.com/content/home/store_LNV_PublicUSA/en_US/ad.html [10:57] <JanC> (which is based on apache btw) [10:57] <hub> and they don't sell laptops ? [10:58] <JanC> ibm laptops are now sold by lenovo, who can use the ibm brand name for some years... [11:13] <Yagisan> G'day All

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2024-05-13T23:20:38.670891

2005-08-25-#ubuntu-kernel

[12:58] <lamont> initramfs-tools: Depends: lvm2 (>= 2.01.04-5) but 2.00.32-1 is to be installed [01:00] <lamont> hrm.. my bad [01:01] <jbailey> lamont: If you can find an earlier version that's sure to work, I'll relax the dependancy. [01:01] <lamont> nah - I just forgot that I have hoary pinned high and breezy pinned low in the real root on that machine [01:01] <jbailey> *lol* [01:03] <lamont> RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 [01:03] <lamont> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) [01:03] <lamont> hrm... that's not love [01:04] <lamont> ACPI: Looking for DSDT in initrd... not found! [01:04] <lamont> not found! [01:04] <lamont> wonder if that matters [01:04] <lamont> sigh. serious kernel hacking is going to be required to figure this one out, I fear [01:07] <jbailey> lamont: Are you using mkinitrd or mkinitramfs ? [01:17] <lamont> jbailey: dpkg -i [01:18] <lamont> note also that -6.10 doesn't boot either [01:32] <jbailey> 'kay, so it's not the new dsdt patch, good. =) [01:48] <lamont> jbailey: well, -6.10 didn't boot because interrupts don't happen (damn acpi patch..) [06:01] <fabbione> mdz: there was no code change in unionfs since your fix [06:01] <fabbione> what regression do you have? [06:25] <fabbione> bah no changes have been done to VFS layer or unionfs [06:25] <fabbione> and i did tell you in /msg once that unionfs is oopsorama [06:39] <fabbione> BenC: you here? [06:44] <fabbione> i think i know what's wrong.. but that's unionfs error [04:20] <infinity> Wow, who do I have to blame for Hibernate working even worse than it did before? [04:20] <mjg59> infinity: Comparing what with what? [04:21] <infinity> Well, before it used to boot, do the whole "reading state form swap (progress bar)" thing, then hang. I just tested with the new kernel, and it doesn't even seem to bother trying. [04:21] <infinity> It just booted normally and fscked my dirty partitions, no attempt reo resume. [04:21] <infinity> s/reo/to/ [04:22] <infinity> So, it's not like things got "worse", per se, since I couldn't suspend (either to disk or ram) before, it just seems to try less hard now. :) [04:24] <mjg59> infinity: Uhm. What kernel version worked? [04:25] <mjg59> Or, at least, what kernel version tried harder? [04:25] <mjg59> My suspicion would be that it's the initrd/initramfs issue that's biting you [04:25] <mjg59> s/issue/transition/ [04:26] <jbailey> mjg59: How so? [04:26] <mjg59> jbailey: If there are no messages at all, then the kernel isn't being told to resume [04:27] <jbailey> infinity: Is RESUME= set in your /etc/mkinitramfs/initramfs.conf ? [04:27] <infinity> Dude, suspend to RAM now works. [04:28] <jbailey> infinity: And also please look at what $(cat /sys/power/resume) gives you [04:28] <mjg59> infinity: Rock. What hardware? [04:28] <infinity> mjg59 : Brand new SATA T43. [04:28] <mjg59> infinity: Hurrah [04:28] <infinity> jbailey : RSUME= is commented out. [04:28] <mjg59> infinity: That'll be your problem, then [04:29] <jbailey> Yup [04:29] <mjg59> infinity: (New kernel has extreme amounts of love) [04:29] <infinity> Hrm, but that's a regression, mkinitrd didn't need manual love to find the resume partition. [04:29] <mjg59> Indeed [04:29] <mjg59> infinity: Is this an upgrade or a clean install? [04:29] <jbailey> infinity: It's a long-fixed regression. [04:30] <infinity> Upgrade from older mkinitramfs versions. [04:30] <infinity> But I've not touched that conffile, so it should have been updated if it's changed. [04:30] <jbailey> It populates it at first install. [04:30] <infinity> And the initrd itself has been regenerated with 0.22 [04:30] <jbailey> It can't change it after that. [04:30] <infinity> Oh, it's not a conffile?... Feh. [04:30] <jbailey> is. [04:30] <jbailey> (lagging phone) [04:31] <Mithrandir> jbailey: perhaps use ucf and then upgrade if you can? [04:31] <infinity> Right, can't purge, kernels want it there. [04:31] <jbailey> Mithrandir: I don't know ucf at all. [04:31] <jbailey> infinity: --force-depends [04:31] <jbailey> Then reinstall it. [04:31] <jbailey> Or manually rerun, that'll do too. [04:32] <mjg59> I'm sure there's something broken with acpipnp [04:32] <infinity> I assume I'll need to regenrate my initrd after I reinstall this? :) [04:33] <jbailey> infinity: Yes. =) [04:33] <infinity> jbailey : Hrm, now it's not commented out, but it's still an empty string. Was the postinst supposed to put my swap partition in there? [04:33] <jbailey> Yes. [04:33] <jbailey> It works for all the cases I've tried, do you mind troubleshooting it? [04:33] <infinity> It didn't. [04:34] <infinity> Oh, that's cause I don't HAVE aswap partition anymore, cause it still has the bloody suspend magic.
 [04:35] <infinity> That worked better. [04:36] <jbailey> Oh good. =) [04:36] <infinity> Still, that seems a bit unintuitive. What happens if I reparition and my swap moves around? [04:36] <infinity> Isn't there a way for us to figure this stuff out on the fly in a reasonably sane fashion? [04:36] <mjg59> infinity: We can't mount the root filesystem on resume [04:36] <infinity> Not even readonly? [04:37] <mjg59> Arguably what we /could/ do would be to rewrite the grub config on the fly on suspend [04:37] <mjg59> No - it'll still replay the journal [04:37] <infinity> Ahh, hrm. [04:37] <infinity> Yes, rewriting the grub config would work too. [04:38] <Mithrandir> that's fairly evil. [04:38] <jbailey> Or have grub probe the swap partitions to detect which ones. [04:38] <jbailey> +have sigs in them. [04:38] <infinity> So is hardcoding the partition we think you resume from. [04:38] <jbailey> infinity: Wlel, we hardcode the partition you're resuming *to* as well, right? =) [04:38] <infinity> jbailey : That's the elegant solution, but suffers from the inability to have two different supended OSs at once. [04:39] <Mithrandir> jbailey: less evil, I'd say. [04:39] <jbailey> If you move shit around during a suspend, your system will break, no sympathy. [04:39] <Mithrandir> infinity: do we care about that use case? You'll have to be careful not to have any overlapping mounts, for instance. [04:40] <infinity> jbailey : Erm, but does anything actually read the initramfs config on suspend and pick the "right" partition?... When I had nothing in there, the kernel still happily suspended to my swap partition. [04:40] <jbailey> Right, that's the default it falls back to. [04:40] <jbailey> I wish it wouldn't. [04:40] <infinity> Mithrandir : Well, I don't know how many people have multiple Linuxes installed at once, but I dual-boot between Win32 and Ubuntu using suspend-to-disk for both, cause it's much faster than full reboots. [04:40] <jbailey> I guess I could detect an image if it's not set. [04:40] <jbailey> phear [04:41] <infinity> So, for a Linux hacker with Fedora, SuSE and Ubuntu installed, I suppose it's a valid use-case to do OS-swapping using suspend-to-disk and three swap partitions. [04:42] <infinity> jbailey : Well, since the kernel plays russian roulette on suspend if that value isn't set, there's no reason you can't do the same on reboot. [04:42] <infinity> jbailey : And the multi-OS thing is probably enough of a corner case that you could just disable the autoprobing feature through a config option, for the power user. [04:45] <jbailey> So if resume isn't set, i should check every partition on the system for an image? [04:48] <infinity> Oh well, one out of 2 ain't bad. [04:48] <infinity> With initramfs properly configured, it attemps to resume and fails. [04:49] <infinity> Reading image (progress ... done) ... ACPI: PCI interrupt for XX:XX disabled (repeat several times) ... system hangs. [04:49] <infinity> mjg59 ^ [04:49] <mjg59> infinity: Ok [04:50] <mjg59> infinity: I'll be uploading a new acpi-support soon. We'll see if that helps [04:50] <infinity> jbailey : Maybe. Or maybe just not care, I dunno. I'm undecided, now that I know mine still doesn't work anyway. :) [04:50] <infinity> mjg59 : Mmkay. At least suspend-to-ram works for me for the first time. Shame about hibernate being broken. Also odd, since I figured hinbernate kinda worked everywhere. :) [04:54] <jbailey> mjg59: Is it possible for now to just tell the kernel not to attempt to guess if the resume partition hasn't been set? [04:54] <jbailey> mjg59: All it will result in is a clobbered swap file. [04:54] <mjg59> jbailey: Not without removing that code from the kernel [04:54] <mjg59> (Which would be easy enough) [04:55] <jbailey> Right, I'm thinking the gratuitous application of #if 0 #endif to a section.\ [04:55] <infinity> That's certainly the safest approach. [04:55] <infinity> Will it just refuse to suspend at all in that case? [04:55] <infinity> Cause that would be fine by me. [04:55] <mjg59> Yeah [04:55] <mjg59> Well, it can be made to [04:56] <infinity> "Can't suspend, no partition selected as suspend target." [04:56] <infinity> That's by far the safest way around this whole issue. [05:04] <jbailey> Hey STR work on my laptop with the new kernel [05:04] <jbailey> Sweet. [05:05] <jbailey> HAvn't had that since 2.6.10 =) [05:11] <infinity> Join my l33t STR club, yo. [05:11] <infinity> Though it's never worked on this laptop until today. [05:12] <infinity> Now I just need to get the Xorg ATi X300 driver to a) support PCIe, and b) STOP FUCKING CRASHING EVERY COUPLE OF HOURS, and I may like my new computer. [05:36] <mjg59> infinity: Yeah, I have the same issue on an X300 [05:36] <mjg59> Daniel's supposed to be pulling CVS radeon soon [05:37] <infinity> I suspect A) and B) are closely related. [05:37] <infinity> Though, while CVS may help B), it won't help A). [05:37] <infinity> PCIe isn't going to make breezy unless someone offers some hacker big bags of cash to make it happen. [05:38] <infinity> mjg59 : If you tell me your crashing X300 is AGP, that will put my mind at ease that I may see a fix for the crashes before I see PCIe support. [05:38] <infinity> Cause the latter won't be soon. [05:52] <mjg59> infinity: It's PCIe [06:07] <infinity> Damn you. [06:07] <infinity> You could have just lied to make me feel better. [08:42] <lamont-away> Setting up udev (0.060-1ubuntu6) ... [08:42] <lamont-away> udev requires a mounted sysfs, not started. [08:42] <lamont-away> interesting... [08:43] <infinity> Interesting that you don't have a mounted sysfs, or that you do and udev's too dumb to notice? :) [08:45] <lamont-away> iz in a chroot [08:46] <lamont-away> and with a 2.6.12-1-hppa64 kernel [08:48] <lamont-away> I should really upgrade to 2.6.12-7.11

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.677679

2005-08-25-#ubuntu-doc

[06:13] <judax> :0 [06:13] <judax> :) [06:13] <judax> sorry, just playing [10:19] <jsgotangco> hey all [10:20] <Madpilot> hi [10:43] <rob^> hey [10:43] <rob^> what do people think about gnome-app-install? [10:48] <jsgotangco> what about it? [10:49] <rob^> well, its ok, but one can't install all applications available [10:49] <rob^> which is a problem as the FAQ Guide is written with Synaptic in mind [10:50] <jsgotangco> hmmm its much more comprehensive in colony 3 [10:50] <jsgotangco> but not as complete with synaptic [10:50] <rob^> yeah, thats what I'm looking at [10:50] <rob^> for instance, it doesn't have ssh [10:50] <rob^> or openssh [10:50] <jsgotangco> its mostly desktop apps yes? [10:51] <rob^> yes [10:52] <jsgotangco> you can probably include it, but say that its mostly desktop apps and that synaptic is more comprehensive [10:52] <rob^> I find it kind of stupid that it doesn't include all apps ala synaptic [10:53] <rob^> and the design of it is shocking [10:53] <jsgotangco> well it was developed with a gnome mindset for sure [10:53] <rob^> they should have taken synaptic and improved it with the icons and stuff instead [10:54] <jsgotangco> hmm you can do a request to mvo and probably merge it in the future if its possible [10:54] <jsgotangco> after all he maintains synaptic at the moment [10:55] <rob^> yeah, maybe I might make a few suggestions [10:55] <rob^> its very annoying that all the categories and apps all appear in the same section [10:55] <rob^> they should have split it [10:56] <rob^> well, I'll check out how many apps gnome-app-install can install [10:56] <rob^> hopefully its all of the desktop apps we have [10:56] <rob^> then just use apt-get for the server stuff [10:57] <jsgotangco> any big change in synaptic will affect other distributions for sure :) [10:57] <rob^> I don't see the need for both though [11:00] <jsgotangco> rob^: does au use an american keyboard or a british one? [11:00] <rob^> american [11:01] <jsgotangco> ahh [11:50] <jsgotangco> brb [03:15] <jsgotangco> hi all anyone awake :) [09:33] <mvirkkil> Hi all. [09:33] <mvirkkil> Been gone a while. [09:33] <mvirkkil> Travelling and sick.

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.689001

2005-08-25-#ubuntu

[12:00] <Tatster> kemik:: I think this is what you asked for drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4.0K 2005-05-16 23:15 scsi [12:00] <yath> d2dchat: I have not done this myself. I thought it might be a shortcut rather than burning a 5.10 CD, but it might not work. [12:00] <ThreeDayMonk> Scrawny1: well, I suggest you do what it says! sudo apt-get install -f [12:00] <chicken-man> got to go, bye every one [12:01] <kemik> Tatster: go inside the scsi dir and do "ls -lha" again [12:01] <d2dchat> yath, well its doing whatever its doing [12:01] <hardw1re> hmmm jre is gonna take time to download [12:01] <yath> cool [12:01] <d2dchat> yath, do you know how install xmms? [12:01] <kemik> Tatster: the directory itself seems to have the correct ownership and flags to be modifiable by root [12:01] <Scrawny1> this is really ticking me off [12:02] <Tatster> kemik: That listing is here: http://pastebin.com/341149 [12:02] <LinuxJones> d2dchat, =P [12:02] <yath> d2dchat: lemme see [12:02] <ThreeDayMonk> Scrawny1: did you try install -f? What happened? [12:02] <Scrawny1> same dang error [12:02] <d2dchat> LinuxJones, ;) [12:03] <SolitaryCritic> who can fix my problem [12:03] <yath> d2dchat: yeah, in sources.list there are 2 lines ending in "universe". You A) uncomment them, B) add "multiverse" to the end [12:03] <yath> d2dchat: then xmms is available [12:03] <d2dchat> yath, can i do that while its updating? [12:03] <OwnageLinux> guys how do i get the wine to work [12:03] <ThreeDayMonk> Scrawny1: I really suggest that you try using Synaptic instead - it's a bit more user friendly [12:03] <d2dchat> yath, in another terminal? [12:03] <yath> d2dchat: apparently not in 5.10 though... heh [12:03] <benplaut> ubotu tell OwnageLinux about wine [12:03] <d2dchat> yath, o:( [12:04] <ThreeDayMonk> OwnageLinux: maybe you need to drink more of it? [12:04] <fraggsta> I can't get exim4 to deliver to Maildirs on an Ubuntu machine. How do I make it do this? [12:04] <gak> who [12:04] <yath> d2dchat: oh wait. it is there, just no multiverse. [12:04] <yath> d2dchat: you can edit sources.list now, but don't do any apt-getting till the other stuff is dnoe [12:04] <kemik> Tatster: weird,, try umounting the device. and then remount with "mount -t ext3 -o rw <insert /dev/here> <insert mountpoint>" [12:04] <Scrawny1> ok how do I use synaptic to d/l this? [12:05] <d2dchat> yath, So what exactly do i do? [12:05] <ThreeDayMonk> Scrawny1: go to the Gnome menu at the top of the screen (by default) -> System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager [12:05] <kemik> Scrawny1: tried "sudo apt-get -f install" ? [12:05] <yath> d2dchat: find 2 lines there ending with "universe" and erase # from their beginnings [12:05] <ThreeDayMonk> kemik: he said he tried it [12:05] <kemik> ok missed it =) [12:06] <d2dchat> is there a way to edit the file from terminal? [12:06] <yath> nano sources.list [12:06] <d2dchat> ah yes! i love that editor:) [12:06] <nickrud> fraggsta, you can use procmail to sort mail into maildirs from exim [12:06] <d2dchat> its been awhile since ive used linux [12:07] <Scrawny1> ok I think I got it guys :) [12:07] <Velox> I'm close to giving up on booting Ubuntu :\ [12:07] <ThreeDayMonk> kemik: I still prefer vim - easier to load files [12:07] <Scrawny1> now do I refresh gnome once it's installed or.....? [12:07] <d2dchat> yath, I pasted you the lines [12:07] <ThreeDayMonk> the menu? [12:07] <kemik> ThreeDayMonk: hm? how do you mean ? [12:07] <fraggsta> nickrud: I'm just not seeing any way to actually get dpkg to configure anything to actually *use* maildirs [12:07] <d2dchat> yath, there are 4 lines with 'universe' [12:08] <vitriol> can i get the ati drivers with apt-get? [12:08] <OwnageLinux> how do u open a chat w/ someone in linux x-chat? [12:08] <nickrud> fraggsta, you don't use dpkg; a sec and I'll post my .procmailrc [12:08] <vitriol> i can't find them with apt-cache [12:08] <ThreeDayMonk> kemik: well, I have the console open in my working directory, and just type vim foo bar baz to edit all the files I want [12:08] <kemik> vitriol: yes, they're called fglrx [12:08] <_frank> !ati [12:08] <ubotu> methinks ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI [12:08] <vitriol> kemik: oh ok thats what i was looking for thanks :) [12:08] <OwnageLinux> how do u open a chat w/ someone in linux x-chat? [12:08] <vitriol> and thanks _frank [12:08] <Tatster> kemik: That worked - so next question is what should I put in /etc/fstab to make this mount available after a reboot? [12:09] <kemik> ThreeDayMonk: same thing applies to gvim :) (and wnat to open additional files? :e filname1 file2 :) ) [12:09] <benplaut> hmm [12:09] <kemik> Tatster: remove the defaults and add "rw" [12:09] <benplaut> OwnageLinux, /msg nick [12:09] <gak> I can't get either the live dvd or cd to boot - cd itegrity checks out fine, md5 is fine, drive works fine for other things, any ideas? [12:09] <ThreeDayMonk> kemik: except I have to move to that directory - with vim I'm already there! [12:09] <LinuxJones> OwnageLinux, right click their name "Open Dialog Window" but be sure to ask if it's ok to do so before hand [12:09] <washo_pelao> me voy, gringos qls xD [12:09] <kemik> ThreeDayMonk: no, it should start in the working dir where you opeened it [12:09] <Scrawny1> guys? [12:09] <OwnageLinux> wats dcc chat? [12:10] <Scrawny1> threedaymonk sorry :) [12:10] <nickrud> fraggsta, I've used this with both postfix and exim: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1410 [12:10] <kemik> or maybe that's a feature in my wicked .vimrc file .. hmmh [12:10] <Scrawny1> once I get it installed do I refresh gnome? [12:10] <gak> error on the dvd is "An installation step has failed... The failing step is: Load installer components from CD." [12:10] <LinuxJones> Scrawny1, what's wrong ? [12:10] <ThreeDayMonk> kemik: yeah, that's true, of course, but I would have it open already from somewhere else [12:10] <OwnageLinux> how long does the synaptic take to isntall things...? [12:10] <OwnageLinux> i marked it for instalation but it just turned green [12:11] <ThreeDayMonk> kemik: I prefer to just use screen and vim (with the mini-buf explorer) for everything [12:11] <ThreeDayMonk> OwnageLinux: Apply [12:11] <LinuxJones> OwnageLinux, you click on apply to download and install the software [12:11] <kemik> ThreeDayMonk: we all have different tastes ;) [12:11] <OwnageLinux> where is aplly? [12:11] <LinuxJones> OwnageLinux, up top like 3 or 4 buttons to the right [12:11] <ThreeDayMonk> OwnageLinux: try #learning-to-read :-) [12:11] <nickrud> fraggsta, for postfix, you need to make a change to a postfix conf file to enable procmail, for exim it simply works [12:11] <gmoore> i'm trying to ftp a file to my server and i keep getting permission denied. what do i need to chmod the directory? [12:12] <OwnageLinux> ok thanks :) [12:12] <fraggsta> nickrud: aren't I going to need to make fetchmail use procmail? [12:12] <ThreeDayMonk> OwnageLinux: of course... if your language is different... [12:12] <OwnageLinux> its not... it worked [12:12] <OwnageLinux> the upload on linux is so damn fast [12:12] <kemik> gmoore: depends on the current state of the directory... "sudo chmod -R 777 <dir>" will work for most settings. [12:13] <OwnageLinux> i like how linux has its own programs [12:13] <nickrud> fraggsta, no, I did nothing other than add that procmailrc for exim. fetchmail hands off to exim, not procmail directly, if my memory serves. [12:13] <OwnageLinux> such as aim. msn. yahoo. icq all built into one... that owns [12:13] <SolitaryCritic> guess I'll install vector linux [12:14] <nickrud> I've used that or a variation for a few years now [12:14] <LinuxJones> OwnageLinux, yeah it beats having to goto a website and find the file to download :) [12:14] <chris> is there any way to make the mouse wheel work when I do something other than press it directly down? [12:14] <Xenguy> gmoore: chmod 777 is 'wide open' -- I wouldn't leave those permissions like that for long [12:14] <LinuxJones> SolitaryCritic, what's wrong ? [12:14] <benplaut> is there any way to change the chmod of a folder, and all the folders and files in that folder? [12:14] <Xenguy> benplaut: chmod -R [12:14] <benplaut> Xenguy: thanks [12:14] <kemik> R is for Recursive [12:14] <kemik> ;) [12:14] <ThreeDayMonk> but don't use x with -R! [12:15] <ThreeDayMonk> use X instead [12:15] <Xenguy> or man chmod =) [12:15] <gmoore> well the directory is owned by root [12:15] <gmoore> /mnt/storage/www/files [12:15] <kemik> x / X? hm [12:15] <gmoore> i want user 'g' to be able to upload to that directory [12:15] <OwnageLinux> ok i installed wine but i have no clue where it was installed to [12:15] <gmoore> how would i chmod it? i don't want to do 777 [12:16] <yath> What about editing fstab so it's loaded for that user [12:16] <kemik> gmoore: what security do you want ? [12:16] <yath> mounted Imean [12:16] <kemik> gmoore: "man chmod" [12:16] <fraggsta> nickrud: well that didn't work..it picked up a mail and put it....somewhere [12:16] <greg> (was gak) so has anyone ever seen a live cd fail to read once it sucessfully boots? [12:16] <OwnageLinux> is there a way to search ur system like in windows [12:16] <LinuxJones> OwnageLinux, for files and such ? [12:16] <kemik> OwnageLinux: "sudo locate -ucl 0" followed by "locate <file>" [12:16] <nickrud> fraggsta, look at ~, and /var/mail/fraggsta [12:16] <Xenguy> gmoore: if you are running an FTP server and yer still learning chmod, I would be most careful :-) One approach might be to create a 'group', then add your user 'g' to that group [12:17] <greg> and don't forget updatedb ownage [12:17] <ThreeDayMonk> OwnageLinux: I'm afraid that there's no animated dog, though... [12:17] <gmoore> Xenguy: what would that accomplish [12:17] <kemik> ThreeDayMonk: thank heaven for that [12:17] <sublime_> hola gente, estoy instalando el vmware y me pide lo siguiente: [12:17] <sublime_> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running [12:17] <sublime_> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] [12:17] <ThreeDayMonk> kemik: aye [12:17] <kemik> i hate those damned "agents" [12:17] <ThreeDayMonk> I fucking hate that dog :-) [12:17] <sublime_> puse ya varia cosas pero ... [12:17] <kab> hi [12:17] <greg> I don't think beagle is ready for prime time yet [12:17] <sublime_> estoy con ubuntu ovbio ... que hay otro ...!!! XXXD [12:17] <Xenguy> gmoore: this approach assumes there is a 'group' of users you want to have permission to upload [12:17] <darkgamer20> is there a way to install ubuntu from floppies over the 'net? [12:18] <kab> I am with breezy, and I can't get loopback good, then my gnome isn't working :( [12:18] <kemik> sublime_: english please, or use #ubuntu-es [12:18] <thezombiehunter> whats the link for the uniffical guide [12:18] <kab> How can I up muy lo? [12:18] <kemik> unless that's italian [12:18] <sublime_> ok , i'm sorry [12:18] <kemik> eheh [12:18] <fraggsta> nickrud: nope, it's empty [12:18] <Xenguy> gmoore: but I'm no expert with ftpd's -- I tend to avoid FTP altogether since I've never needed to mess with FTP services [12:18] <thezombiehunter> ??? [12:18] <ThreeDayMonk> kemik: now you've insulted the Spanish and Italian speakers! [12:18] <kemik> thezombiehunter: "google -> ubuntu guide" or www.ubuntuguide.[org,com,whatever] [12:18] <kemik> ThreeDayMonk: yeah.. im smooth ;) [12:19] <OwnageLinux> anybody no where wine installs? [12:19] <Tatster> kemik: Thanks for your help [12:19] <yath> http://ubuntuguide.org/ [12:19] <darkgamer20> is there a way to install ubuntu from floppies over the 'net? [12:19] <LinuxJones> OwnageLinux, in console type whereis wine [12:19] <kemik> Tatster: np [12:19] <nophix> don't use that ubuntuguide too much [12:19] <nophix> it's not so up to date [12:20] <nickrud> fraggsta, hm. [12:20] <greg> once live dvd is booted base linux - how to get from menu to tty? (to see dmseg error?) [12:20] <Velox> Odd. My problem is that GRUB appears to not be loading at all, however I opened up VMware virtual workstation, tweaked it to be most like my system, loaded it up and GRUB came up fine. [12:20] <Myrtti> goar. [12:20] <nophix> greg: ctrl+alt+f1 maybe? [12:20] <Velox> So I can run my Ubuntu install just fine from VMware, but not actually booting it. [12:21] <Velox> Evil. [12:21] <darkgamer20> is there a way to install ubuntu from floppies over the 'net? [12:21] <nickrud> fraggsta, then it's probably in exim's queue. You can install eximon4 (eximon executable) to see what's happening [12:21] <fraggsta> nickrud: there's no procmail log file either [12:21] <yath> darkgamer20: I think that is highly unlikely [12:21] <OwnageLinux> hmmm when i type "whereis wine" it gives me the locations... i look there and no wine file is there [12:21] <nickrud> fraggsta, no from in the Maildir? [12:21] <darkgamer20> yath: how come? [12:21] <nophix> darkgamer20: you should try the regular debian [12:21] <greg> actually theres a menu choice once you dismiss the big read read error window [12:21] <darkgamer20> oh ok [12:21] <fraggsta> nickrud: nope, I can see where the log file *should* be [12:21] <greg> thanks nophix, though [12:22] <nophix> greg: :) [12:22] <alex__> is there a sleep possibility in ubuntu ? [12:22] <fraggsta> I run fetchmail and...nothing goes into exim's queue [12:23] <greg> so lots of "drive not ready for command" errors in dmesg and things like "Buffer I/O error" [12:24] <gmoore> anyone experienced with proftpd? i really need some help configuring it, i've been trying for 2 days :( [12:24] <Seveas> alex__, yes, choose hibernate from the logout menu [12:24] <OwnageLinux> ok i found the wine folder... i have no clue what file to open though [12:24] <fraggsta> this leaves me wondering where my mail actually went [12:24] <alex__> thanks ! [12:24] <nophix> gmoore: i'm not experienced, but you should describe your problem directly instead, or on the forums maybe [12:25] <chris> Is there a way to make my mouse wheel scroll down three lines or so like it normally does? [12:25] <nophix> OwnageLinux: typed wine in terminal? [12:25] <gmoore> well, i can't figure out how to give users permissions at all. eg i made a user 'upload' and i want him to be able to upload and resume uploads in a certain directory, but i can't figure out how to set it up. [12:25] <OwnageLinux> nophix: yes... [12:26] <OwnageLinux> nophix: i typed whereis wine [12:26] <ptlo> hmm...i'm trying to install vmware and it requires linux source headers set up for current kernel version. i have stock (2.6.10) ubuntu kernel, is there a package providing kernel source(s) / patches from which exactly this image was built? [12:26] <ptlo> i don't want to recompile the kernel just so i'd have headers/kernel image in sync [12:26] <nophix> OwnageLinux: yes, "wine iexplore.exe" for example [12:26] <OwnageLinux> i dont have iexplore on it though [12:27] <nophix> OwnageLinux: well. whatever you need to run [12:27] <LinuxJones> OwnageLinux, >> http://www.winehq.com/site/docs/wine-faq/index [12:27] <fraggsta> nickrud: seems liek procmail isn't getting used at all [12:27] <nophix> gmoore: for starters, you should have the right permissions on directory [12:27] <nophix> gmoore: with chmod [12:28] <OwnageLinux> linux: how do i start wine? [12:28] <gmoore> nophix: i understand how to use chmod in general but i don't know what permissions i need to set [12:28] <nickrud> fraggsta, eximon is useful; I also looked around on the net in case my several year old solution has been superseded [12:28] <gmoore> if i want to give 'upload' write permissions, how do i do that using chmod? [12:28] <hardw1re> anyone got wine running on the x86_64 system? [12:28] <OwnageLinux> i type "wine" it installed stuff [12:28] <fissy> in ubuntu breezy, i see that the run application item has been removed from the panel, is that a gnome 2.12 change or an ubuntu change? [12:28] <fraggsta> nickrud: yes, eximon is showing me that mail never goes into exim's queue [12:29] <nophix> OwnageLinux: wine doesn't have a gui, what do you want to do with it? [12:29] <Xenguy> gmoore: which ftpd are you using BTW? (Whatever it is, I imagine that the documentation would probably cover that kind of question(?) [12:29] <LinuxJones> fissy, hit alt + F2 and see if it comes up [12:29] <OwnageLinux> nophix: play a windows game... nophix [12:29] <gmoore> Xenguy: proftpd and no it does not it assumes you know how to set up permissions and user accounts [12:29] <hardw1re> get cedega [12:29] <hardw1re> you want to goto transgaming.com [12:29] <hardw1re> OwnageLinux ^^ [12:29] <nophix> OwnageLinux: just type wine setup.exe or something or get cedega instead, better for gaming [12:29] <LinuxJones> fissy, maybe it got moved somewhere else [12:30] <fissy> i don't want it somewhere else! [12:30] <jtan325> is anyone's aim down? [12:30] <fissy> ican bring it up by alt-f2, but i nearly always want to do it with my mouse [12:30] <OwnageLinux> nophix: i typed "wine" it did something like config it.. [12:30] <jtan325> i.e. you can't log in to your aim account? [12:31] <nickrud> fraggsta, send some mail to your local account directly; this'll keep fetchmail out of the loop. Something should show something in the queue if the mail is stopping at procmail [12:31] <nophix> OwnageLinux: you're not listening [12:31] <thekman> i always see linux screenshots with a toolbar type app on the desktop that shows things like disk usage, volume, network settings etc etc... does anyone know what any type of program like this is called [12:31] <hardw1re> OwnageLinux: goto transgaming.com and get cedega, thats best for windows games [12:31] <Kira> When I use ndiswrapper to install a WiFi driver, does ndiswrapper automatically copy the inf file to a new location? [12:31] <nophix> thekman: gkrellm [12:31] <jabra> gkrellem [12:31] <OwnageLinux> ok hard but i think cedega isnt free [12:31] <hardw1re> no it isnt [12:31] <hardw1re> but the cvs is [12:32] <nickrud> s/something// [12:32] <OwnageLinux> hard.: wats cvs? [12:32] <hardw1re> but 40 for a years sub aint bad tbh [12:32] <OwnageLinux> hard: cvs the pharmacy? lol [12:32] <ilovetoastmaker> hello [12:32] <benplaut> cvs is the source code [12:32] <OwnageLinux> so what can i do w/ the cvs? [12:32] <hardw1re> compile cedega your self [12:32] <OwnageLinux> but i dont know how to do that [12:33] <benplaut> but it's not full featured... [12:33] <ilovetoastmaker> can someone help me connect to the internet in the hoary hedgehog release? [12:33] <hardw1re> :o [12:33] <hardw1re> are you using a router, ppp or cable? [12:33] <OwnageLinux> ilovetoastmaker: your on the internet?? [12:33] <ilovetoastmaker> im using...windows [12:33] <OwnageLinux> o [12:33] <ilovetoastmaker> usb 2wire pc port [12:33] <hardw1re> usb adsl modem? [12:33] <ilovetoastmaker> yes [12:34] <alxarch> hi i need some help with my sound configuration(already followed HOWTO in ubuntu starter guide) [12:34] <fraggsta> nickrud: looks like debconf has sprinkled "DEBCONF" all over exim.conf, stopping it from working :S [12:34] <d2dchat> im getting ubuntu configuration [12:34] <d2dchat> its asking me for postfix configuration [12:34] <hardw1re> i cant really help you there, i have an adsl router/modem that my machine plugs into and gets all the info off of dhcp [12:34] <d2dchat> what type of 'General Type configuration' should i have? [12:34] <nickrud> fraggsta, try reconfiguring, purely as a local mail delivery then, for testing [12:34] <d2dchat> 'No configuration' [12:34] <d2dchat> 'internet site' [12:34] <ilovetoastmaker> pppoeconf doesnt work either [12:34] <d2dchat> 'internet site with smarthost' [12:35] <Flonne> d2dchat, if you don't know, go with no configuration and local everything. [12:35] <d2dchat> ok [12:35] <d2dchat> ty [12:35] <fraggsta> nickrud: dpkg-reconfigure'ing it doesn't do anything [12:35] <ilovetoastmaker> an anyone help me here, or should i go somewhere else? [12:35] <ilovetoastmaker> *can [12:36] <nickrud> fraggsta, then, that's debconf, and over my head. Although, last I used exim4, it worked :) [12:36] <alxarch> I need some help with my sound configuration(already followed HOWTO in ubuntu starter guide). PLZ [12:36] <fraggsta> nickrud: then I don't see how I can reconfigure it [12:37] <nickrud> fraggsta, a ha! sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config [12:37] <OwnageLinux> howcome music player wont play my mp3's? [12:37] <hardw1re> ok, anyone here know how to disable sound devices in the asound or reconfigure asound/alsa to use a specific device? already mentioned it earlier but my logitech quickcam has a mic in it, which when plugged in alsa recognises it as a sound device and sets it as default, instead of my actual sound card... any help will be greatfull :) [12:37] <LinuxJones> OwnageLinux, you need to install mp3 playback codecs [12:38] <ilovetoastmaker> can someone help me connect to the internet in the hoary hedgehog release? I'm using a usb pc port by 2wire. pppoeconf doen't do anything [12:38] <nophix> OwnageLinux: wiki.ubuntu.com is your best friend [12:38] <crimsun> hardw1re: in a Terminal, echo "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base [12:38] <hardw1re> oh and wat does the K8 mean in the AMD 64 kernel images? [12:38] <OwnageLinux> jones where do i get the codecs? [12:39] <hardw1re> thnx crimsun [12:39] <hardw1re> i'll give that a try [12:39] <Flonne> hardw1re, it's optimized for Athlon64 and related chips. [12:39] <hardw1re> (Kernel):[Linux 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic x86_64] [12:39] <hardw1re> the K8 is the code name for the Athlon 64's? [12:40] <hardw1re> just like k6-2, and k7 etc. [12:40] <Flonne> Like those, but not exactly a code name. [12:40] <LinuxJones> !restrictedformats [12:40] <ubotu> I guess restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs' [12:40] <Juhaz> hardw1re, yes [12:40] <LinuxJones> OwnageLinux, see that webpage ^^ [12:40] <fraggsta> nickrud: success! [12:40] <hardw1re> ah ok, i thought it was relating to the K8T800 chipset [12:40] <OwnageLinux> jones:the wiki thing? [12:41] <hardw1re> and im using an nForce 3 board [12:41] <OwnageLinux> how do u type in red is it /action or /me or sumthin [12:41] <nickrud> fraggsta, I'm using postfix currently, I'm very lucky I remembered that. [12:41] <LinuxJones> OwnageLinux, yes ubotu is a bot that helps with general information and links [12:41] <fraggsta> nickrud: well a bunch of test emails just turned up [12:41] <fraggsta> nickrud: ok, thanks for the help...I need a cigarette (dont smoke, kids!) [12:42] <OwnageLinux> Linux, ? [12:42] <nickrud> fraggsta, I'll join you :) [12:42] <pfp> OwnageLinux: usually your irc clients colours the lines that have your nick in them [12:42] <pfp> client* [12:42] <hardw1re> crimsun: not familiar with many of the CLI's yet, but tee, does that right the output of the echo into the alsa-base? [12:42] <OwnageLinux> ohhhh [12:42] <bender_> sigh [12:42] <bender_> im bord [12:42] <OwnageLinux> pfp: kewl [12:42] <crimsun> hardw1re: yes [12:42] <hardw1re> cool :) [12:43] <alxarch> 0wnage there is an entry in ubuntu starter guide on dloading codecs http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs [12:43] <LinuxJones> OwnageLinux, it's a script that you can call and it will output links to common questions like yours that have been programmed into it by users. [12:43] <hardw1re> anyone tried the 2.6.12 amd64 kernels yet? [12:43] <OwnageLinux> hard where do i get cedeca or wateva u said [12:43] <codecaine> anyone in here know how to determine the actual port number returned from a passive reply from an ftp server? [12:43] <alxarch> I need some help with my sound configuration(already followed HOWTO in ubuntu starter guide). PLZ [12:43] <hardw1re> www.transgaming.com [12:43] <bender_> mathew [12:43] <codecaine> last two numbers are used to determine port... [12:43] <bender_> where you located? [12:44] <codecaine> 227 Entering Passive Mode (69,24,8,40,19,190) [12:44] <pfp> OwnageLinux: indeed, and very handy too on a busy channel like this [12:44] <hardw1re> lol [12:44] <hardw1re> yup [12:44] <greg> so the computer will boot from a suse dvd but not a knoppix cd or a ubuntu cd - anyone seen this? [12:44] <OwnageLinux> pfp: what was indeed a response to? [12:44] <LED_scorched> i'm not sure how i did it, but in GIMP i lost my layer panel, and cant get it back. any ideas? [12:45] <hardw1re> ok crimsun gonna give that a shot and see if my soundcard still works, gotta reboot tho cause linux doesnt like when i plug my webcam in while its running :P [12:45] <pfp> OwnageLinux: 01:43 < OwnageLinux> pfp: kewl -- which i guess was your response to me telling you about the colour thing :) [12:45] <OwnageLinux> pfp: yup :) [12:46] <OwnageLinux> anyone know how to open things with wine where do i put the files so it opens them [12:46] <blk> does somebody know about the state of keyboard-layouts in breezy? i can't seem to get de_CH working - it is set in gconf aswell as in xorg.conf, when switching from the keyboard-pref.-gui i get an "error activating XKB conf." [12:46] <benplaut> OwnageLinux, it should creat virtual drives that give ou al your regular files [12:46] <Kira> gaaah [12:46] <OwnageLinux> benplaut, i think it did... [12:47] <Kira> I get an error message with pon [12:47] <OwnageLinux> benplaut, but if i want to play a game on it how will i open it [12:47] <alxarch> I need some help with my sound configuration(already followed HOWTO in ubuntu starter guide). PLZ someone PLZ [12:47] <pfp> OwnageLinux: "wine /path/to/setup.exe" <- that usually installs the prog. in your "fake C drive" or whatever [12:47] <OwnageLinux> lol [12:47] <OwnageLinux> so i just type "wine /path/to/setup.exe and it will install it? [12:48] <Kira> /usr/sbin/pppd: In file /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider: unrecognized option 'wlan0' [12:48] <pfp> should, with luck :) [12:48] <ilovetoastmaker> can someone help me connect to the internet in the hoary hedgehog release? I'm using a usb pc port by 2wire. pppoeconf doen't do anything [12:48] <pfp> though gamers seem to prefer cedega over wine [12:49] <OwnageLinux> pfp: i typed wine /path/to/setup.exe and it just said it couldnt find it [12:49] <LinuxJones> ilovetoastmaker, do you know if your network card has been setup correctly ? [12:49] <pfp> OwnageLinux: krrhm, you should replace /path/to/..etc with whereever your windows program's installer files are [12:50] <TheGnome> where can i get cool desktop wallpaper? [12:50] <OwnageLinux> pfp: oh lol [12:50] <LinuxJones> TheGnome, art.gnome.org [12:51] <benplaut> TheGnome, gnome-look.org [12:52] <cafuego> Kira: I'd expect pppoe to not run particularly well via wireless [12:52] <OwnageLinux> how do i compile a cvs? is it hard [12:52] <ilovetoastmaker> linuxjones:it works on windoze [12:52] <cafuego> OwnageLinux: /msg ubotu compiling [12:53] <pfp> seems ubotu won't listen to unregistered users [12:53] <OwnageLinux> ubotu doesnt answer [12:53] <ubotu> OwnageLinux: No idea [12:53] <Kira> cafuego you don't say... [12:53] <pfp> !tell OwnageLinux about compiling [12:54] <nophix> !tell OwnageLinux about compiling [12:54] <cafuego> Kira: rerun pppoeconf [12:54] <OwnageLinux> llol [12:54] <nophix> bah [12:54] <LinuxJones> ilovetoastmaker, ok type sudo network-admin and see if your card is listed, if so click the card and hit properties to configure. [12:54] <OwnageLinux> how do u make him type stuff to me? [12:54] <pfp> wow, that's not an encouraging advice :) [12:54] <cafuego> OwnageLinux: /msg nickserv register [12:54] <OwnageLinux> ?? [12:54] <nophix> OwnageLinux: don't use the bot, use wiki.ubuntu.com [12:54] <cafuego> OwnageLinux: ubotu only talks to registered nicks [12:55] <Kira> cafuego: and then? [12:55] <OwnageLinux> "ubotu Compiling software when you have no idea what you're doing is _not_ a good idea. You will probably end up breaking your system and you can safely assume nobody here will want to help you after that. If there is a precompiled version, just use THAT instead. Really" [12:56] <cafuego> Kira: tell it about the network interface you want it to use (ethX) [12:56] <LinuxJones> haha [12:56] <hardw1re> hey crimsun thanks mate, that worked a treat :D now i can work on getting my webcam running.... (lol) [12:56] <OwnageLinux> !tell pfp about penis [12:56] <OwnageLinux> lol [12:56] <OwnageLinux> ubotu i dunno what is 'penis' [12:56] <ubotu> OwnageLinux: I think you lost me on that one [12:57] <pfp> at least ubotu has some manners ;) [12:57] <OwnageLinux> but he doesnt know what a penis is [12:57] <cafuego> pfp: Not encouraging, but essentially correct. [12:57] <nophix> ubotu is hetero [12:57] <ubotu> nophix: I give up, what is it? [12:57] <nophix> i guess not? [12:57] <pfp> cafuego: probably true, yes :/ [12:58] <freedomjazzdance> why would my cd get stuck in the drive? its an audio cd [12:58] <OwnageLinux> after i tried to install sumthin w/ wine it just stopped the text [12:58] <pfp> ... but they have to learn somehow -) [12:58] <cafuego> pfp: source deb is a good start [12:58] <freedomjazzdance> and cdplayer auto loaded but now wont eject [12:58] <nophix> :D [12:58] <cafuego> pfp: Then again, windows users don't need to know how to compile CVS office... [12:58] <nophix> freedomjazzdance: is there a short cut on the desktop? [12:59] <freedomjazzdance> yeah and when i right click and do a eject... no go error message [12:59] <freedomjazzdance> and i tried umounting it manually [12:59] <nophix> yes and then? [12:59] <freedomjazzdance> no go [12:59] <nophix> umount -f [01:00] <freedomjazzdance> says its not mounted according to mtab [01:00] <OwnageLinux> ne1 have a pre-compiled cedeca? [01:00] <alxarch> I need some help with my sound configuration [01:00] <nophix> freedomjazzdance: you should not have any programs using the cd or being in the same directory [01:00] <Kira> cafuego: but I don't want to use ethx [01:01] <OwnageLinux> r u guys all on x-chat? [01:01] <nophix> i am, at least [01:01] <alxarch> i am too [01:01] <freedomjazzdance> nophix, im not... [01:01] <Flonne> I'm using my own client. [01:01] <Grat> i rather use irssi (or mirc if possible :>) [01:01] <Velox> I'm on mIRC right now as I'm working on my Ubuntu install through VMware [01:01] <freedomjazzdance> nophix, still is saying its not mounted [01:01] <alxarch> i want some help [01:01] <OwnageLinux> ne1 have a compiled cedeca? [01:01] <nophix> freedomjazzdance: you tried umount -f? [01:02] <Flonne> With what, alxarch? [01:02] <eric_> I installed the rt2500 wireless module and I'm trying to get it to autoload at boot time, does anyone know how to do this? [01:02] <alxarch> sound [01:02] <freedomjazzdance> nophix, Yes i did [01:02] <robotgeek> eric_: finally , someone with a ralink card [01:02] <Dr_Melectaus> is there a GUI for john the ripper? [01:02] <nophix> freedomjazzdance: what does it say? [01:02] <Flonne> alxarch, what type of card do you have? [01:02] <Dr_Melectaus> anyone know if there is a GUI for John The Ripper [01:02] <eric_> robotgeek, indeed, have a question? [01:02] <cafuego> Kira: What port is the dsl modem plugged in to? [01:02] <Dr_Melectaus> sorry repeated [01:02] <freedomjazzdance> nophix, says its not mounted [01:03] <robotgeek> eric_: i had to struggle a lot to get it working, now it works great! [01:03] <gmoore> i can't get my proftpd server to follow what i've set up in proftpd.conf, it's only listening to the filesystem permissions. eg i made a group called ftp-upload and a user called upload, with home dir /ftp/upload. documentroot ~ is on so they're locked in there. no matter how i set up <LIMIT>, it only listens to what the directory is chmodded as. [01:03] <OwnageLinux> hard whats the site again transgaming.com ? [01:03] <nophix> freedomjazzdance: well, is it mounted? [01:03] <pfp> cafuego: yes, normal people shouldn't have to know about compilers, umounts or anything... maybe some day they won't [01:03] <Kira> cafuego: It's plugged to my wireless access point right now. [01:03] <eric_> robotgeek, cool, mine is working like a charm as well :) [01:03] <freedomjazzdance> nophix, nothing appears in the usuall mount dir [01:03] <alxarch> i have a soundblaster 24 on my desktop and an intel onboard on my laptop [01:04] <alxarch> none of them works [01:04] <robotgeek> eric_: i just have a script to up it, turned off network connections on bootup [01:04] <Bags> Hello room. [01:04] <nophix> freedomjazzdance: appears? what does "df" say? [01:05] <eric_> robotgeek, okay, i'm still rather new to ubuntu/debian, how does one edit the services started on boot? [01:05] <robotgeek> eric_: the newer ones from cvs have gotten better and better ..just feels great! [01:05] <Bags> In KDE, how does one go about changing CDROM devices? [01:05] <Bags> I've removed the original mechanism and replaced it with another and now I have no CDROM functionality... [01:05] <freedomjazzdance> no cds [01:05] <cafuego> Kira: So why would you need to run pppoe *at all* then? [01:05] <freedomjazzdance> nophix, just the usual [01:06] <robotgeek> eric_: okay...many ways to do this, you want to connect your wireless on startup right? [01:06] <eric_> robotgeek, yea, exactly [01:06] <robotgeek> eric_: services are started/stopped from /etc/init.d, but this is not your problem! [01:06] <freedomjazzdance> how do you do that grep search? [01:06] <nophix> freedomjazzdance: i'm out of questions right now :) [01:06] <cafuego> OwnageLinux: That's payware. [01:07] <Seveas> Bags, if no one knows -> try #kubuntu [01:07] <OwnageLinux> cafuego: Cvs in free... i don't know how to compile it [01:07] <LinuxJones> OwnageLinux, you should use Linux for a while before you try to get it to run Windows applications :) [01:07] <freedomjazzdance> nophix, how would i search to see if there is an instance of cdplayer running? [01:07] <OwnageLinux> LinuxJones, why? lol [01:07] <nophix> OwnageLinux: use your warez locations? [01:07] <Bags> Seveas: Thanks. [01:07] <robotgeek> eric_: have u seen the howto on the wiki? [01:07] <jtan325> OwnageLinux, which windows program are you trying to run? [01:07] <ilovetoastmaker> # Appears as ANNA [01:07] <freedomjazzdance> nophix, ps | grep or something [01:07] <OwnageLinux> jtan325: infantry. [01:07] <nophix> freedomjazzdance: there is a command (not ps), i just can't remember it now :/ [01:07] <WhyvasMCT> anyone know how to hookup a dwl-g122 usb adapter in 6.04 ??? [01:07] <jtan325> oh it's a game? [01:08] <OwnageLinux> yeah [01:08] <OwnageLinux> it owns [01:08] <pfp> gmoore: are you trying to restrict your users with <Limit>, or give them more rights than the filesystem allows? [01:08] <LinuxJones> OwnageLinux, because you will just frustrate yourself, Linux has lots of programs that do the same things as windows programs but they have different names. [01:08] <jtan325> LinuxJones, but one of the few weaknesses is support for games [01:08] <OwnageLinux> Jones: i'm trying to play a game that only runs on windows [01:08] <freedomjazzdance> nophix, dang... okay! [01:08] <WhyvasMCT> then install windows [01:09] <robotgeek> eric_: this link > https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Rt2500WirelessCardsHowTo/ [01:09] <TheGnome> OwnageLinux, then use windows [01:09] <LinuxJones> jtan325, true but dual booting is a better answer than emulation :) [01:09] <OwnageLinux> TheGnome: Windows sucks though. [01:09] <thechitowncubs> How can i check the status of an ntfs drive? [01:09] <jedix> can someone help me get the nvidia kernel module working? [01:10] <TheGnome> there are cool games for linux..........like Enemy-Territory ....America's Army.......Cube.....Supertux....uhh Neverball [01:10] <LinuxJones> jedix, did you follow the wiki page ? [01:10] <jtan325> LinuxJones, I agree [01:10] <Grat> Tuxracing :P [01:10] <daggie> Linux 99% of the time. the ONLY thing I use 'doze for is gaming. [01:10] <LinuxJones> jtan325, :) [01:10] <nophix> what is the command to use too see what processes are using what devices? [01:10] <jedix> LinuxJones: I followed _a_ wiki [01:10] <funkyHat> OwnageLinux, do you have cedega? [01:10] <jedix> LinuxJones: http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu [01:10] <eric_> robotgeek, thanks :) [01:10] <jedix> LinuxJones: what wiki are you talking about? [01:10] <jedix> !nvidia [01:10] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29 [01:10] <TheGnome> OwnageLinux, what game are you trying to play? [01:10] <Bags> Seveas: I asked, but noone is talking in there... [01:11] <TheGnome> Bags, whats the question? [01:11] <factotum> anyone know how I would go about doing a color calibration of my monitor?? [01:11] <OwnageLinux> TheGnome: Infantry - kickme.to/infinity-zone or stationpass.com [01:11] <robotgeek> eric_: so, wep etc etc working fine? [01:11] <pfp> nophix: "lsof" (lists open files, but devices are files too, mostly) [01:11] <OwnageLinux> funkyhat:no [01:11] <eric_> robotgeek, don't have wep setup at the moment, so I don't know, but its working perfectly unenc. [01:11] <OwnageLinux> funkyhat: i dont wanna pay for it :\ [01:11] <funkyHat> OwnageLinux, get the CVS version of cedega, it's free and legal [01:11] <nophix> pfp: yes i know, thanks :) [01:11] <Kira> cafuego: because the Wi-Fi access point does not take care of logging in. [01:12] <TheGnome> OwnageLinux, you dont have to pay.........you just need to know where to look [01:12] <nophix> freedomjazzdance: try lsof [01:12] <funkyHat> i can't help you install it though, i have the paid-for version [01:12] <Bags> TheGnome: I've had to remove the original CDROM drive from a PPC UBUNTU system, and have installed another drive in there, but the system won't mount any CDs now that it's in there... [01:12] <OwnageLinux> funky: i have no clue how to install a cvs though [01:12] <LinuxJones> jedix, there you go [01:12] <Bags> TheGnome: Very very green noob here... [01:12] <TheGnome> Bags, umm..........reinstall [01:12] <funkyHat> OwnageLinux, someone will be able to help you. you could try the #cedega channel [01:13] <Bags> You're joking, right? [01:13] <OwnageLinux> funkyHat: can u compile it for me? [01:13] <Bags> TheGnome: You're joking, right? [01:13] <TheGnome> OwnageLinux, if you have limewire or gtk-gnutella you can get the .deb version [01:13] <funkyHat> OwnageLinux, i can help you compile it, compiling under linux is incredibly easy [01:13] <factotum> Bags, you might need to alter your kernel to include something, or maybe a module, but thats a whole other ball of wax [01:13] <Kira> cafuego: in other words, the Wi-Fi access point does not provide NAT/DHCP functions right now. It's the dsl modem that's serving DHCP. [01:13] <OwnageLinux> ok funkyhat: tell meh :) [01:13] <TheGnome> Bags, yes......but it would work......does it see the drive at all? [01:13] <zerboxx> What is a nice torrent program. I like azureus other than it's memory leak (which I am watching grow as we speak)? [01:14] <robotgeek> eric_: holler if you need help with wep! [01:14] <funkyHat> ok, first, get the source, and use synaptic to install the package called build-essential [01:14] <nophix> zerboxx: bittornado, torrentflux.com [01:14] <Grat> OwnageLinux: heres a quick hint: wget http://...../cedega*.deb && : sudo dpkg -i cedega*.deb [01:14] <funkyHat> OwnageLinux, ^ [01:14] <Bags> TheGnome: How can I tell if it sees it or not? It doesn't mount any CDROM disks... [01:14] <TheGnome> Bags, are you using gnome [01:15] <robotgeek> too bad ctorrent doesn't work well with most trackers :( [01:15] <OwnageLinux> Grat: ?? [01:15] <benplaut> anyone here gotten Crossover Office working in breezy? [01:15] <Bags> TheGnome: No, but I can... [01:15] <jedix> LinuxJones: I don't have the NVdriver [01:15] <jedix> module [01:15] <freedomjazzdance> nophix, thank you sir, i was able to figure it out with that command [01:15] <Grat> OwnageLinux thats a way to install cedega? ;> [01:15] <factotum> ugh, fluxbox or enlightenment, i cant decide...gr [01:15] <OwnageLinux> but its not a site [01:15] <robotgeek> factotum: openbox with gnome :) [01:15] <TheGnome> Bags, type lsmod | grep cdrom [01:15] <OwnageLinux> Grat:http://...../cedega*.deb there is no site [01:15] <zerboxx> nophix: Have you used torrentflux.com? [01:15] <freedomjazzdance> nophix, nautulus was usingit, i did >>lsof /dev/hdd [01:15] <LinuxJones> jedix, go here and follow the directions >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia [01:16] <Grat> OwnageLinux: maybe google will help you find it? :> [01:16] <nophix> freedomjazzdance: oh good, thank pfp for that :) [01:16] <factotum> fluxbox it is [01:16] <eric_> robotgeek, okay, thanks [01:16] <freedomjazzdance> nophix, then i had to kill -9 [01:16] <jedix> LinuxJones: I have [01:16] <jtan325> factotum, good choice [01:16] <gmoore> i can't get my proftpd server to follow what i've set up in proftpd.conf, it's only listening to the filesystem permissions. eg i made a group called ftp-upload and a user called upload, with home dir /ftp/upload. documentroot ~ is on so they're locked in there. no matter how i set up <LIMIT>, it only listens to what the directory is chmodded as. anyone familiar with this? [01:16] <nophix> zerboxx: nah, never tried it [01:16] <jtan325> i've never used enlightenment my self [01:16] <TheGnome> factotum, they both suck [01:16] <jtan325> but fluxbox was fine [01:16] <LinuxJones> jedix, ok type sudo modprobe nvidia [01:16] <jtan325> TheGnome, what do you use [01:17] <factotum> its just habit from running slackware [01:17] <zerboxx> nophix: Seems interesting, looks indepth which I like, but I'm not sure how it actually works [01:17] <nophix> freedomjazzdance: good :) [01:17] <freedomjazzdance> pfp, thanks pfp! [01:17] <TheGnome> jtan325, what do you think? [01:17] <jtan325> fvwm? that's what i use now [01:17] <jedix> LinuxJones: it says the module isn't there [01:17] <jtan325> by far the best so far [01:17] <robotgeek> zerboxx: thanks for torrentflux, looks good [01:17] <jtan325> or openbox, i tried that too, it was alright [01:17] <LinuxJones> jedix, you didn't install it [01:17] <factotum> TheGnome: Everything sucks [01:17] <TheGnome> judging by my name i would say that i am a gnome user ..... lol [01:17] <nophix> zerboxx: it's php, you need a webserver, apache+php+mysql and bittornado [01:17] <pfp> freedomjazzdance, nophix, you're welcome :D [01:17] <TheGnome> factotum, have you tried xfce [01:18] <factotum> Yes I have [01:18] <zerboxx> robotgeek: You're looking for a good torrent proggy too? [01:18] <jedix> LinuxJones: well, apt-get install nvidia-glx says otherwise [01:18] <nophix> pfp: :) [01:18] <TheGnome> Bags, did you try [01:18] <TheGnome> Bags, ? [01:18] <LinuxJones> jedix, did you do an upgrade today for the new kernel ? [01:18] <Bags> TheGnome: I get CDROM 51004 2 sr_mod,ide_cd [01:18] <robotgeek> zerboxx: i am using the official client, works well on my slow ppc box [01:18] <jedix> LinuxJones: no [01:18] <jedix> LinuxJones: 2.6.12.3 [01:18] <jtan325> TheGnome, don't tell me you use metacity [01:19] <LinuxJones> jedix, apt-get udpate && apt-get upgrade [01:19] <LinuxJones> err update [01:19] <TheGnome> jtan325, i sure do..............whats wrong with it? [01:19] <zerboxx> robotgeek: I was using it, then I switched to Azureus but it has a horrible memory leak (I've gone from using 208 before running it to 274 when it started, to 346 now) [01:19] <robotgeek> zerboxx: azureus starts, and then crashes...on ppc, java sucks! [01:19] <jedix> LinuxJones: I built my own kernel.. [01:20] <zerboxx> robotgeek: hehe tuchez [01:20] <LinuxJones> jedix, oh god why ? [01:20] <OwnageLinux> how do i identify myself to the robot... i alrdy registered [01:20] <nophix> -a [01:20] <jedix> LinuxJones: because I don't run distro kernels [01:20] <LinuxJones> jedix, now you have to compile your nvidia kernel from scratch [01:20] <benplaut> OwnageLinux, /msg NickServ HELP [01:20] <herrpoon> hi anyone [01:20] <TheGnome> nophix, oooooooo thanks [01:20] <Bags> TheGnome: Is that good? [01:20] <factotum> built your own kernel, jeez thought i was the only one for a minute there [01:20] <jtan325> TheGnome, how can you even diss fluxbox or any other window manager then? [01:20] <herrpoon> can offer some helpl? [01:20] <jedix> LinuxJones: you mean my nvidia module? [01:20] <LinuxJones> jedix, that's such a 2001 mentality :) [01:20] <nophix> TheGnome: np! :) [01:21] <LinuxJones> jedix, yes [01:21] <TheGnome> Bags, in the term type eject......see if it opens the drive [01:21] <LinuxJones> jedix, sticking to the ubuntu kernel is strongly recommended [01:21] <LinuxJones> jedix, for this and many more reasons [01:21] <jedix> LinuxJones: I'm fine with that.. how do I get the source/bin crap? [01:21] <TheGnome> im on the 686-smp kernel [01:21] <LinuxJones> jedix, man it takes too long to go through all of that [01:22] <jedix> LinuxJones: is there no wiki on it? [01:22] <Bags> TheGnome: eject: unable to open 'dev/hdb' [01:22] <pfp> zerboxx: i _think_ clearing ~/.Azureus helps with the ram usage a little... altough ~400M mem usage is not uncommon for azureus :( [01:22] <LinuxJones> jedix, you need with a stock ubuntu kernel you have 2 commands to issue with a custom kernel you need like 10 time consuming steps :( [01:22] <LinuxJones> jedix, no [01:22] <OwnageLinux> is there a way to make a dual boot with windows and linux? (not windows xp) [01:23] <jedix> LinuxJones: or even a place I can just get the tgz? I'm really thinking I should just grab the driver from nvidia.com [01:23] <zerboxx> pfp: I'm just going to use something else :) [01:23] <TheGnome> Bags, yeah its not installed.......did you just put it in and hope it would work [01:23] <zerboxx> pfp: thanks though! [01:23] <LinuxJones> jedix, just remove the nvidia-glx package and boot into a stock kernel [01:23] <Bags> TheGnome: Um, well... ah... yeah... [01:23] <LinuxJones> jedix, there was a new kernel release today [01:23] <TheGnome> Bags, well in thoery it should......but hmmmm [01:24] <TheGnome> Bags, are you using kde [01:24] <herrpoon> hi, ive just installed ubuntu on an old compter of mine and would like to view it in a window on my other compter, is this possible? [01:24] <Bags> TheGnome: Yes. [01:24] <nophix> herrpoon: yes it's possible, with vnc software [01:24] <TheGnome> Bags, go into control center and into perephrials [01:24] <Bags> TheGnome: I can switch back to GNOME if it helps... [01:24] <dubnium> hello, I am having trouble install apps, the error reads: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH.. i installed the latest gcc package and still have an issue [01:24] <herrpoon> ah ok [01:24] <TheGnome> Bags, see if you can set up your drive trough there [01:25] <Bags> TheGnome: Ok. [01:25] <nophix> herrpoon: i use tightvnc :) [01:25] <Bags> TheGnome: I'll try it there. [01:25] <funkyHat> anyone know a good GUI-based sound recording app similar to audacity, but with alsa support? [01:25] <herrpoon> right [01:25] <pfp> herrpoon: system - preferences - remote desktop -> allow other to.... [01:25] <nophix> lol [01:26] <black13> has anyone ever had the error "UDF-fs: no partition found (1) Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknonw-block(1,0)" [01:26] <LinuxJones> black13, did you compile your own kernel ? [01:27] <concept10_> funkyHat, ardour [01:27] <black13> LinuxJones yes [01:27] <zerboxx> Does anyone here use mrtg? [01:27] <LinuxJones> black13, man do you HAVE to compile your own kernel ? [01:27] <jedix> LinuxJones: I couldn't help but notic this new kernel is much older than the one I am running [01:27] <helloyo> i'm trying to install breezy badger off the cd, but i think there is a driver problem which locks it up, says that it can't use 8139cp and that i should use 8139too instead, but how? [01:27] <black13> LinuxJones not if there is a better way [01:27] <bina> can anyone sugest a good vector graphics animator for linux (pref open source)? [01:28] <concept10> !dualboot [01:28] <ubotu> I heard dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo [01:28] <max> hi [01:28] <LinuxJones> jedix, newer mean little if everything works with a stock kernel [01:28] <black13> LinuxJones i can be hard-headed up to apoint but finally i will listen to reason [01:28] <funkyHat> OwnageLinux, yes [01:28] <LinuxJones> black13, you are on a path that is frought with danger :) [01:28] <max> somehow my update button disappeard from my task bar, how can i restore it? [01:28] <funkyHat> OwnageLinux, see what ubotu said ^ [01:28] <jedix> this is retarded. [01:28] <jedix> can it not just get the package and build the module for me [01:28] <kemik> max: if there's no updates it disappears [01:28] <jedix> sweet christ. [01:29] <helloyo> could somebody give me a hand installing breezy off the latest cd? [01:29] <LinuxJones> jedix, are you missing any functionality with a stock kernel ? [01:29] <max> kemik: thanks [01:29] <TheGnome> ok perfect theme........clearlooks with human window boarder and nouveXT icons [01:29] <jedix> LinuxJones: none [01:29] <kemik> max: i guess you updated recently? =) [01:29] <Motty1> Hi, I have a problem, when I get to the Installer Splash Screen, but when I press enter, I just get a black screen and bunch of lines about my hardware, could someone please help me get this [01:29] <jedix> LinuxJones: except nvidia's crap [01:29] <max> kemik: yes [01:29] <TheGnome> so then why the hell compile your own? [01:29] <ompaul> !chronos [01:29] <ubotu> Wish i knew, ompaul [01:29] <ompaul> doh [01:29] <black13> LinuxJones what were your thoughts? [01:30] <TheGnome> Motty1, do you have weird hardware? [01:30] <jedix> to remove modules and such [01:30] <ilba7r> what is the command line to logout from x session such as gnome, kde [01:30] <kemik> helloyo: change hoary to breezy, "apt-get dist-upgrade" [01:30] <kemik> helloyo: not that it is recommended, especially not if you need help already [01:30] <LinuxJones> jedix, the whole point of Ubuntu is so that folks don't have to compile anything, It just works :) [01:30] <helloyo> kemik: ok, if you think thats the best way [01:30] <TheGnome> ilba7r, ctrl alt backspace [01:30] <Motty1> no i have normal hardware [01:30] <Motty1> normal dell hardware [01:31] <TheGnome> jedix, sounds like you need to be using gentoo : ) [01:31] <jedix> LinuxJones: I just installed it because mythtv packages existed. [01:31] <ilba7r> Thegnome does not always restart and i have to reboot [01:31] <sambagirl> how do you shutdown ubutu? [01:31] <ilba7r> thats why i asked for the command line [01:31] <helloyo> kemik, what do you mean? its not recommended to dist-upgrade? i think the installer is just using a wrong driver, but i dont know how to change it [01:31] <ilba7r> shutdown o -h [01:31] <jedix> TheGnome: I didn't say I wanted to compile everything myself, just the kernel [01:31] <LinuxJones> black13, if a stock Ubuntu kernel works ok for you and you don't need to compile for extra functionality jsut use the stock kernel. It will create alot of work that is not necessary. [01:31] <kemik> helloyo: Breezy is not stable, so it can break your entire system [01:31] <LinuxJones> jedix, that's fine [01:32] <kemik> jedix: so download it and compile? ;) [01:32] <black13> LinuxJones unfortunately i need squasfs [01:32] <Motty1> thegnome: i have normal dell hardware... can you help me verify my iso ? [01:32] <jedix> kemik: I did, but the nvidia package won't work for me. [01:32] <helloyo> kemik, yeah, i realise that, i can fix quite a few things, but no idea how to change the driver [01:32] <TheGnome> jedix, using the gui log out dont work [01:32] <TheGnome> Motty1, how do i do that? [01:32] <kemik> helloyo: what driver? [01:32] <Motty1> thegnome i dont know im a noob with linux [01:33] <jedix> TheGnome: what? [01:33] <Motty1> TheGnome: Md5 checksum verification [01:33] <helloyo> kemik, it comes up with an error that says 8139cp not supported, try 8139too [01:33] <funkyHat> Motty1, are you running linux now? or windows? [01:33] <sambagirl> shutdown o -h [01:33] <sambagirl> right? [01:33] <TheGnome> Motty1, using a microsoft PC ...well dell same thing.....is not always gonna be compatible with linux [01:33] <sambagirl> does not work [01:33] <Motty1> funkyhat: windows xp sp2 [01:34] <Motty1> thegnome: oh [01:34] <TheGnome> ahhhhhhh [01:34] <kemik> helloyo: perhaps get the driversoftware from manufacturer, compile and then "modprobe" [01:34] <LinuxJones> black13, you will be compiling every kernel when a security problem arises and associated modules like 3rd party drivers each time as well :( [01:34] <sambagirl> how do you shutdown ubuntu to reboot it/ [01:34] <sambagirl> ? [01:34] <kemik> helloyo: in worst case scenario you'll have to recompile the kernel aswell :/ [01:34] <LinuxJones> sambagirl, shutdown -r now [01:34] <kemik> sambagirl: "reboot" [01:34] <MrPockets> system, log off, reboot [01:34] <TheGnome> Motty1, try downloading a small linux distro like.......DSL or something...see if that boots [01:34] <sambagirl> what cahh ok [01:34] <helloyo> kemik, i think i'll wait then... haven't had problems before, so i guess it will be fixed [01:35] <Motty1> TheGnome: im on my laptop sitting next to the comp im trying to put linux on [01:35] <tristanmike> TheGnome: why are Dells not Linux friendly?? [01:35] <TheGnome> ive seen linux on dells before [01:35] <kemik> helloyo: but your NIC is not working now ? [01:35] <dubnium> anyone know how to edit $PATH to contain gcc c complier? [01:35] <jtan325> i'm using linux right now, on a dell inspiron 8500 [01:36] <TheGnome> dells are evil [01:36] <kemik> helloyo: i think you can try to get the 8139too source/binary and modprobe it [01:36] <jtan325> dubnium, you shouldn't have to do that [01:36] <helloyo> kemik, i am using hoary at the moment, and its working fie [01:36] <zerboxx> Does anyone here use mrtg? [01:36] <dubnium> hello, I am having trouble install apps, the error reads: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH.. i installed the latest gcc package and still have an issue [01:36] <jtan325> dubnium, but if you must [01:36] <tristanmike> Yeah, Dells may be evil, but lots of people run them [01:36] <kemik> helloyo: oh.. i c.. so why isit complaining? =) [01:36] <LinuxJones> black13, all of that stuff is done for you but the nice folks in the Ubuntu devel team. All you have to do is keep your system upgraded regularly. [01:36] <helloyo> kemik, the installer stops at something like "Downloading file 7 of 8" [01:36] <jtan325> it would something like "export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/gcc" [01:36] <helloyo> kemik, haha, exactly [01:36] <jtan325> and you'd put that in your .bashrc [01:36] <dubnium> how can i find the path to gc? [01:36] <TheGnome> hey man I own a dell too [01:36] <tristanmike> what would cause the installer to come up with an Installer Screen then after enter not do anything [01:36] <TheGnome> just not my linux machine [01:37] <black13> so i could get a kernel with squashfs support? [01:37] <jedix> LinuxJones: well the stock kernel won't boot [01:37] <pfp> dubnium: what does "which gcc" say? [01:37] <dubnium> i just installed 4 [01:38] <tristanmike> TheGnome: I like dells myself, looking into getting their laptop [01:38] <LinuxJones> black13, what is that ? [01:38] <LinuxJones> jedix, at what point does it fail ? [01:38] <TheGnome> tristanmike, dells used to be good......they have gone downhill with hardware....using the cheapest of cheap components [01:39] <pfp> dubnium: try installing "build-essential" instead [01:39] <tristanmike> TheGnome: I wouldn't get one for a Desktop, but for a laptop, sure [01:39] <dubnium> k i'll try that [01:39] <TheGnome> jedix, if the stock kernel dont boot how did you compile your own? [01:39] <black13> LinuxJones (god i love that name) how do i go about getting a 2.6 kernel with squashfs support via the apt-get proces? [01:39] <sambagirl> heh [01:39] <sambagirl> nice clean machien now [01:39] <sambagirl> wow you should see all the stuff on my desktop my stars [01:39] <Concord_Dawn> anyone know what the traceroute command is in Ubuntu? [01:39] <black13> BlackBeltJones [01:40] <velox_> The mind boggles. dpkg installing itself. [01:40] <LinuxJones> jedix, don't forget you modified your xorg config file to load the nvidia modules which aren't on that machine for your kernel [01:40] <black13> route [01:40] <kemik> Concord_Dawn: traceroute? =) [01:40] <dubnium> ya that contents looks liek it should work [01:40] <TheGnome> tristanmike, yeah laptops are cool [01:40] <Concord_Dawn> kemik, nope. [01:40] <velox_> That has to cause some sort of temporal distortion or something...its like the chicken and the egg. [01:40] <kemik> Concord_Dawn: apt-get it [01:40] <tristanmike> TheGnome: I'm touring with an Acting Group in september and I'd like to get a portable Ubuntu [01:40] <jedix> LinuxJones: I didn't say x failed, I said the stock kernel will not boot [01:40] <jedix> TheGnome: it did work [01:40] <jedix> now it doesn't [01:41] <sakon> hi here downloaded a theme from gnome-look.com but cant run it any piece of advice? [01:41] <zerboxx> Has anyone here installed torrentflux? [01:41] <TheGnome> sakon, what theme [01:41] <sakon> sorry gnome-look.org [01:41] <OwnageLinux> dude u extract it with the archivier zerboxx [01:41] <LinuxJones> jedix, how did you install Ubuntu without the stock kernel working ? [01:41] <TheGnome> sakon, did you untar it? [01:41] <jedix> It did work, now it won't boot [01:41] <sakon> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=23679 this one [01:41] <zerboxx> OwnageLinux: wha? [01:41] <dubnium> pfp, kinda worked but now I get this :configure: error: Library requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.0.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. [01:41] <sakon> TheGnome: yes i did [01:42] <dubnium> have anything to do with the other stuff i installed.. should i uninstall it [01:42] <kemik> dubnium: got the "build-essential" package installed? [01:42] <TheGnome> sakon, your not supposed to..............just leave it tarred and drag it into the themes app [01:42] <dubnium> yup [01:42] <tristanmike> sakon: you shouldn't need to untar it [01:42] <LinuxJones> black13, I am not sure if you can patch or compile a module for your kernel with that functionality. Maybe you could ask in #ubuntu-devel, Explain your situation and ask for advise...someone may have pitty on you :) [01:42] <sakon> ok ok ill try again [01:42] <pfp> dubnium: you don't have the gtk development pkg installed; prolly you'll need other dev packages aswell [01:43] <kemik> dubnium: libgtk-2.1-dev perhaps [01:43] <jedix> LinuxJones: it did work.. clearly, but now it doesn't [01:43] <tristanmike> sakon: just open up the themes window [01:43] <LinuxJones> jedix, what error comes up when it stops working ? [01:43] <pfp> dubnium: install at least libgtk2.0-dev [01:43] <tristanmike> sakon: System-->Preferences-->Theme and "install new theme" and just pick the archive [01:43] <black13> LinuxJones ... ok ill take this tact ... just get the kernel to work first without the udf-fs errors then worry about patching it [01:43] <kemik> dubnium: libgtk2.0-dev [01:44] <sakon> tristanmike: i did some but i get back an invalid format [01:44] <tristanmike> what theme did you download exactly? [01:44] <lz> is there a tutorial for installing tor onto my newly installed ubuntu? [01:44] <pfp> dubnium: "apt-cache search something dev" to look for other devel packages... [01:44] <dubnium> kemik, seems its not installed, no installing 16 packages [01:44] <TheGnome> sakon, yeah it said invalid format when it was untarred right [01:45] <sakon> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=23679 this one [01:45] <black13> LinuxJones what are the commands to build the kernel? [01:45] <sakon> TheGnome: both [01:45] <LinuxJones> black13, you can also request functionality to be added to a stock kernel, the developers are very good about things like that, they want to keep their user base happy :) [01:45] <TheGnome> sakon, let me try [01:45] <sakon> TheGnome: untared and tared [01:45] <sakon> TheGnome: ok [01:45] <LinuxJones> black13, that's a long process :D [01:45] <kemik> dubnium: lets hope it works after that then =) [01:46] <Fanskap> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH [01:46] <Fanskap> See `config.log' for more details. [01:46] <sakon> TheGnome: i already found the problem [01:46] <jedix> LinuxJones: I'd love to tell you but I can't see it. [01:46] <Fanskap> anyone know how to solve this ? trying to compile mysql [01:46] <dubnium> heh thats what im working on fanskap [01:46] <sakon> TheGnome: did not read the description under the theme [01:47] <LinuxJones> jedix, hit ctrl+alt+F2 [01:47] <TheGnome> sakon, what does it say [01:47] <Fanskap> i see [01:47] <tristanmike> TheGnome: it's a .zip [01:47] <TheGnome> AHHHHHHH [01:47] <jedix> LinuxJones: Kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init! [01:47] <pfp> Fanskap: do you have a special reason to compile mysql? [01:47] <TheGnome> Canadian Grass [01:47] <nophix> Fanskap: why compile when there's a package? [01:48] <kemik> Fanskap: got "build-essential" installed? [01:48] <Fanskap> ahh [01:48] <sakon> TheGnome: i have to untar it to the gnome-theme-manager [01:48] <jedix> LinuxJones: the keyboard does nothing at this point. [01:48] <sakon> TheGnome: do u know where this one is located [01:48] <LinuxJones> jedix, is that one of your old kernels ? [01:48] <Fanskap> I want a custom build of php5-apache and mysql [01:48] <TheGnome> sakon, thats not what it says [01:48] <Fanskap> way easier to update if i compile it by my self afterwards [01:49] <LinuxJones> jedix, maybe that didn't work [01:49] <lz> can someone teach me how to get tor installed please? i've done apt-get install tor privoxy but tells me that "/var/lib/tor is not owned by this UID" [01:49] <jedix> LinuxJones: no, I rebooted to go into your suggested stock kernel [01:49] <pfp> Fanskap: k, you need to install build-essential then (like kemik said) [01:49] <lz> so should i chown myID /var/lib/tor ? [01:49] <sakon> TheGnome: ok so to the other themes i think [01:49] <dubnium> kemik, pfp, thanx seems to work now [01:49] <jedix> LinuxJones: and for some reason my working kernel has been removed from my grub.conf [01:49] <kemik> dubnium: cool :) [01:49] <sakon> TheGnome: or do u mean just a dir with /.themes [01:49] <Concord_Dawn> jedix, you mean menu.lst? [01:49] <LinuxJones> jedix, you must have had a working kernel after installation [01:50] <Fanskap> pfp ahh yeah just thought that out :) [01:50] <TheGnome> sakon, yeah unzip to .themes [01:50] <jedix> Concord_Dawn: they are fucking symlinked [01:50] <Fanskap> thought i had installed that allready but that was on my laptop installation :) [01:50] <Fanskap> getting tired i guess [01:50] <TheGnome> sakon, i think it is in your home folder [01:50] <kemik> Fanskap: it's only 2am.. the night is young ;) [01:50] <Concord_Dawn> language jedix [01:51] <sakon> TheGnome: yeah im trying already [01:51] <TheGnome> sakon, didnt work for me [01:51] <vitriol> i'm having trouble getting ati drivers installed on hoary [01:51] <jedix> LinuxJones: yes I did, but this one clearly doesn't.. and it's listed like 4 times and only memtest86 is the other one [01:51] <vitriol> error message is: [fglrx:firegl_init_32compat_ioctls] *ERROR* unable to register ioctl32 0 [01:51] <jedix> awesome. [01:52] <vitriol> anybody know a fix for that? [01:52] <TheGnome> vitriol, what did you try [01:52] <black13> LinuxJones what make-kpkg [01:52] <vitriol> TheGnome: well i tried installing them myself from ati [01:52] <jedix> LinuxJones: I am running a 64bit box if that has anything to do with it [01:52] <vitriol> TheGnome: that didn't work :) same exact message [01:52] <jedix> or I was. [01:52] <black13> what about using make-kpkg [01:52] <sakon> TheGnome: for me did not work too [01:52] <TheGnome> vitriol, thats your problem [01:52] <tristanmike> sakon: the themes folder is in your homes directory but you have to "Show hidden files" [01:52] <vitriol> TheGnome: what? [01:52] <sakon> TheGnome: somewhere is a bug [01:52] <Fanskap> kemik, mm not if you're going to a party tomorow :) [01:53] <TheGnome> vitriol, use the ubuntu video drivers [01:53] <sakon> tristanmike: already did [01:53] <TheGnome> !ati [01:53] <ubotu> rumour has it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI [01:53] <sakon> tristanmike: did not work [01:53] <tristanmike> sakon: sorry, little behind' [01:53] <vitriol> TheGnome: i get the same error message with the ubuntu ati drivers [01:53] <TheGnome> vitriol, ^ [01:53] <vitriol> TheGnome: i tried those first [01:53] <LinuxJones> jedix, perhaps it would be faster to do a re-install and stick with the stock kernel [01:53] <sakon> tristanmike: does not matter [01:53] <vitriol> TheGnome: xorg-drivers-fglrx ;) [01:53] <TheGnome> vitriol, what card u got? [01:53] <Karhuton> vitriol, I get that too [01:53] <OwnageLinux> Guys do u no where the direct connection feature is on gaim/ [01:53] <tristanmike> sakon: you are running Gnome, right? [01:53] <sakon> yeah [01:53] <Karhuton> vitriol, But no problems with OpenGL or XV acceleration [01:53] <TheGnome> vitriol, did you edit xorg.conf [01:53] <sakon> tristanmike: hope so ;) [01:54] <Karhuton> vitriol, Nor tv-out [01:54] <vitriol> TheGnome: TheGnome well...no i didn't [01:54] <tristanmike> sakon: your not running Kubuntu are you i mean? [01:54] <jedix> LinuxJones: that's the worst idea I have ever heard [01:54] <TheGnome> vitriol, there ya go [01:54] <vitriol> TheGnome: since the module isn't loaded there's not much point :( [01:54] <OwnageLinux> Guys do u no where the direct connection feature is on gaim [01:54] <kemik> any way to mass-rename files? like ABDS to ABDS.mp3 ? [01:54] <Wanderer_> Can someone help a frustrated noob? I can't even get Ubuntu to install, for cryin' out loud! [01:54] <mirak> why isn't there an authentication prompt from the shell when you try to do something on which you don't have the rights, just like the GUI do ? [01:54] <Karhuton> vitrol, so I don't see any effects from it :) Using 8.16, or what ever the version was. *16* something :\ [01:54] <TheGnome> vitriol, well did you add the module? [01:54] <sakon> tristanmike: no [01:54] <LinuxJones> jedix, or you would boot into your own kernel and undo the nvidia-glx stuff [01:54] <OwnageLinux> Guys do u no where the direct connection feature is on gaim [01:54] <vitriol> TheGnome: [fglrx:firegl_init_32compat_ioctls] *ERROR* unable to register ioctl32 0 <<<<what i get when i try to modprobe the module [01:54] <Fanskap> phew.. damn.. seems to take ages to update the freebsd ports collection :) [01:55] <pfp> kemik: "rename" [01:55] <ilovetoastmaker> # Appears as ANNA [01:55] <TheGnome> vitriol, hmmm i was just talking to someone who had the same problem [01:55] <jedix> LinuxJones: I have it booting now [01:55] <Fanskap> Updating the ports index ... Generating INDEX.tmp - please wait.. [01:55] <surfdue> what command do i use to findout what is using my sound driver [01:55] <Fanskap> been saying that for a while :) [01:55] <LinuxJones> jedix, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg select vesa as the video card driver and select defaults for everyting else [01:55] <jedix> LinuxJones: but I'd like to get the stock kernel working like you did [01:55] <Wanderer_> Hello? [01:55] <surfdue> lsof .. what? [01:55] <sakon> TheGnome: did u try something new? or did u let it go? [01:55] <TheGnome> Wanderer_, hello [01:55] <vitriol> TheGnome: see, this is what i get when i try to modprobe it: FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.11-1-amd64-k8/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted [01:55] <LinuxJones> jedix, well good luck with that [01:56] <jedix> LinuxJones: it is not the nvidia driver that is causing the kernel to not boot. [01:56] <kemik> pfp: hmm, always use mv.. gotta man that stuff, does it use reg.exps= [01:56] <TheGnome> sakon, i just let it go .....im not a fan of that theme [01:56] <Wanderer_> Can someone help me get Ubuntu installed? [01:56] <LinuxJones> jedix, I am off for a cig and beer good luck [01:56] <tristanmike> sakon: i think I have the solution..... [01:56] <sakon> tristanmike: yes? [01:56] <sakon> tristanmike: tell me pls [01:56] <pfp> kemik: yep, for example rename 's/$/.mp3/' ~/mp3-blaa/* [01:57] <tristanmike> sakon: go to the Themes selector again [01:57] <pfp> .. to add the suffix [01:57] <sakon> tristanmike: ok [01:57] <kemik> pfp: thx [01:57] <tristanmike> sakon: this time select one of the current themes, whichever one, it doesn't matter [01:57] <sakon> tristanmike: ok [01:57] <Wanderer_> Could some one help me? [01:57] <TheGnome> theme details [01:57] <Wanderer_> Please? [01:57] <TheGnome> Wanderer_, whats the problem [01:57] <tristanmike> sakon: now pick theme details [01:57] <sakon> tristanmike: ok [01:58] <ilovetoastmaker> (#G010E476RM1) any idea how how to get a usb pc port to work, i need to connect to the internet on linux [01:58] <sakon> tristanmike: ah i see [01:58] <kemik> thats a powerful tool. will keep that in mind in the future [01:58] <synd> whats the irssi command to load scripts [01:58] <tristanmike> sakon: go to window boarder [01:58] <alec> synd: /script [01:58] <sakon> tristanmike: ok [01:58] <tristanmike> sakon: do you see it there? [01:59] <synd> [01:59] <synd> hmm [01:59] <TheGnome> Wanderer_, you there!!!!! [01:59] <tristanmike> sakon: do you see it?? [01:59] <zerboxx> I'm setting up Apache and mysql, and I was wondering if someone can talk to me 1on1 for a minute or two just to make sure I don't mess anything up [01:59] <TheGnome> Wanderer_, if you want help you may have to talk to me [01:59] <tristanmike> sakon: cause I do in mine [02:00] <sakon> tristanmike: i do too [02:00] <Wanderer_> I can't get the installer to behave. It gets to the part where I'm supposed to press "enter" and it's supposed to do its' thing. Instead, it gives me loading messages, reboots, and then goes back to the same screen, where I repeat the process, ad infintium. [02:00] <sakon> tristanmike: thanks [02:00] <sakon> tristanmike: god bless u [02:00] <sakon> tristanmike: :) [02:00] <tristanmike> sakon: I spent 3 weeks trying to find my themes when they were here all the time.... [02:00] <TheGnome> Wanderer_, what kind of hardware do you have [02:00] <sakon> tristanmike: ah i see [02:00] <Wanderer_> That is, I press "enter" it does that. [02:00] <tristanmike> sakon: It's missleading cause they're not themes, per se [02:01] <Wanderer_> Hardware? What, specifically? [02:01] <sakon> tristanmike: i just spent days setting up a wifi in windows [02:01] <jono> has anyopne got a working up to date breezy? [02:01] <TheGnome> Wanderer_, what kind of computer do you have] [02:02] <sakon> tristanmike: and in ubuntu it was managed in hours [02:02] <vitriol> is there and amd64-agp module? [02:02] <sakon> tristanmike: or better said minuts [02:02] <Wanderer_> HP with Windows XP OS (SP 02). [02:02] <sakon> tristanmike: or better said minutes [02:02] <fanskapet> hmm is the dri support broken in the ati driver for mobility chipsets? [02:02] <tristanmike> sakon: I hear that, I feel like I'm an Ubuntu success story, not a problem...just lack of knowlege [02:02] <vitriol> fanskapet: problems? [02:02] <vitriol> fanskapet: i'm having issues too [02:02] <TheGnome> Wanderer_, hardware???????? uhh processer ram that type of thing [02:02] <LinuxJones> TheGnome, good idea :) [02:03] <vitriol> Trying to register duplicated ioctl32 handler c0246400 < stuff like that in dmesg when trying to load the fglrx driver, fanskapet? [02:03] <sakon> tristanmike: but thanks ill soon come up with another problem ull see [02:03] <tristanmike> sakon: I'm here everyday with problems of my own [02:03] <fanskapet> vitriol dunno just installed the driver and ran the fglrx_gears app [02:03] <fanskapet> but i guess one should get more fps than ~300 fps? [02:03] <tristanmike> sakon: glad I could help, especially cause the themes thing irritated me for so long [02:04] <mike23> greetings [02:04] <vitriol> fanskapet: i'd tell you if i could get the driver installed ;) [02:04] <mike23> what is the password for admin tasks under cups iin ubuntu? [02:04] <alxarch> rhx where are you? [02:04] <LinuxJones> mike23, your users password [02:04] <vitriol> screw it i'm going to try breezy out [02:04] <LinuxJones> mike23, if you installed Ubuntu [02:04] <mike23> negative does not work [02:04] <sakon> tristanmike: with the most obvious things are the most problems [02:05] <fanskapet> vitriol :) [02:05] <Wanderer_> Ummm... HP Pavillion PC with Intel Celeron CPU 2.93 GHz 248 MB RAM. [02:05] <LinuxJones> mike23, so the account that your using was not the one that you created when you installed Ubuntu ? [02:05] <sockpuppe1> if I just compiled and installed JACK, do I have to restart for it to work [02:05] <sockpuppe1> ? [02:05] <tristanmike> sakon: murphy's law, if I ever met Murphy, i'd slap him in the face with a Trout [02:05] <mike23> no [02:05] <jono> anyone have troubles with libdri1-xorg ? [02:05] <TheGnome> Wanderer_, hmm that should be fine.........did you download the cd or get it in the mail [02:05] <tristanmike> sakon: and say, "why'd you create so many problematic laws" [02:05] <Wanderer_> Mail. [02:05] <mike23> it says localhost [02:06] <jedix> hrm [02:06] <LinuxJones> mike23, can you log back in using the account you installed Ubuntu with ? [02:06] <jedix> still won't boot the stock kernel [02:06] <mike23> but I never gave localhost a user name [02:06] <TheGnome> Wanderer_, oooooo.........did you try hitting f1 instead of enter [02:06] <sockpuppe1> can someone enlighten me [02:06] <sockpuppe1> ? [02:06] <Wanderer_> Yep. [02:06] <TheGnome> sockpuppe1, ok with what [02:06] <sockpuppe1> lol [02:06] <mike23> what? [02:06] <TheGnome> Wanderer_, the only thing i can think of...is to google it [02:06] <mike23> I have one user me [02:06] <LinuxJones> mike23, I don't know what that means [02:07] <sockpuppe1> if i just compiled and installed JACK do I have to restart for it to work [02:07] <Wanderer_> GOOGLE IT ??? [02:07] <sakon> tristanmike: :) [02:07] <TheGnome> Wanderer_, yes google it [02:07] <LinuxJones> mike23, waht are you using to try to configure cups ? [02:07] <sakon> tristanmike: where are u from? [02:07] <Wanderer_> How would that help me? [02:07] <mike23> http://localhost:631 [02:07] <tristanmike> sakon: the Great White North Canada [02:08] <LinuxJones> mike23, try sudo gnome-cups-manager [02:08] <sakon> tristanmike: u like icehockey? [02:08] <LinuxJones> sakon, all Canadian boys like hockey :) [02:08] <mike23> oh kay [02:08] <blrich> can someone help? I can't get my webcam recognised. I'm wondering where I should look for drivers or what I should do [02:08] <tristanmike> sakon: i don't think there is a Canadian alive who doesn't like hockey [02:08] <tristanmike> road or ice [02:08] <TheGnome> Wanderer_, cuz i have found alot of answers that way [02:08] <brk3> could someone tell me what argument do you give to dpkg to upgrade a package? [02:09] <sockpuppe1> blrich what camera model? [02:09] <sakon> tristanmike: ice [02:09] <Wanderer_> How can I google a problem when I don't know what it is? [02:09] <gmoore> ftp question: i got my server set up properly but when i get someone to connect they get "500: Illegal port command" and cannot complete the connection. ideas? [02:09] <LinuxJones> Wanderer_, you ask here :) [02:09] <tristanmike> sakon: ice or road, it doens't matter to us, we do have a summer and still have to play hockey, so road hockey it is [02:09] <TheGnome> Wanderer_, omg ......... just use windows [02:09] <mike23> liuxJones: thanks you da man [02:09] <sakon> tristanmike: ah i see [02:09] <LinuxJones> Wanderer_, what is happening that is causing you grief ? [02:09] <blrich> sockpuppe1, it's called amn Omni Golden Eye, but it's just generic I think. It has night vision. Works under windows no problem, just your standard 640x480 30fps webcam [02:09] <LinuxJones> mike23, have fun :) [02:10] <sockpuppe1> lol, that was so l337 of you lol [02:10] <zerboxx> I'm following a guide to set up apache and mysql, and I deleted my main user (jon) from mysql.user. Should I worry about adding myself again, or am I ok with just "root"? [02:10] <LinuxJones> jono, when does next season of LugRadio start up ? [02:10] <sakon> tristanmike: so the nhl begins but im not so happy cause all of our good players are going to the oversea leagues [02:10] <crlsnr> hi everyone...has anyone been successful with using a WUSB11v2.5 usb adapter in Hoary? [02:10] <TheGnome> hey what is the package i need to get mp3 support in rythmbox? [02:11] <jtan325> !media [02:11] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, jtan325 [02:11] <jtan325> !restrictedformats [02:11] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs' [02:11] <mike23> anyone looking to use an ncurses great irc client google bnirc [02:11] <tristanmike> sakon: they'll be back [02:11] <sakon> tristanmike: wont be such good hockey like it was this year in our first league [02:11] <sockpuppe1> brb [02:11] <LinuxJones> TheGnome, >> gstreamer0.8-mad [02:11] <mike23> it works with festival tts [02:11] <jono> LinuxJones, Oct 24th should be Season 3 Episode 1 :) [02:11] <Luna-Tick> Hello folks, does anyone here know about silcgaim in Ubuntu? [02:11] <elvirolo> hi all, could anyone tell me a play of converting mpc files to ogg ? sox doesn't seem to handle mpc files [02:11] <TheGnome> LinuxJones, thank you [02:12] <LinuxJones> jono, I wonder if Breezy Badger release will be mentioned on the show :) [02:12] <Wanderer_> I can't get the installer to behave. It goes to the first screen fine, and I press "enter". It says a bunch of stuff about uncompressing this or that, then says something about the kernel (I can't say exactly what, since the text moves so fast). Then the PC reboots, goes to the first screen, and the whole process starts over. [02:12] <jono> LinuxJones, heh, I have a hunch it will ;) [02:12] <tristanmike> sakon: no, I hope the salary caps will get groups of players who just want to play hockey and not make a gazzilion dollars, that's when hockey get's good [02:12] <jono> I am trying to get breezy working right [02:12] <LinuxJones> jono, BTW I think that is too long of a break !! [02:12] <brk3> do people here hate kubuntu?? Ive just being told you do [02:13] <elvirolo> idas anyone ? [02:13] <crimsun> elvirolo: use mpcdec [02:13] <LinuxJones> jono, I want a weekly fix of lugradio [02:13] <Grat> brk3 why should we? [02:13] <crimsun> elvirolo: pipe the output to oggenc's stdin [02:13] <Grat> the only diffrence is KDE [02:13] <benplaut> OK, OK, maybe that was a bit excessive [02:13] <Wanderer_> Linux Jones? [02:13] <Luna-Tick> Linuxjones - I don't hate kubuntu, it just doesn't seem to work as well... [02:13] <sakon> tristanmike: what are salary caps [02:13] <benplaut> install Hoary so that crossover office will install, then emulate from within breezy :P [02:13] <sakon> tristanmike: ? [02:13] <fissy> hello... i'm using ubuntu breezy and am being driven slowly mad by the panel dying every 5 minutes... is that a known issue? [02:13] <brk3> Grat: no reason at all, just some idiot said ye do [02:13] <TheGnome> brk3, i dont [02:13] <tristanmike> sakon: it's why the nhl was on strike. A money issue between the players and the owners [02:13] <crimsun> fissy: "breezy". [02:14] <TheGnome> brk3, i just like gnome better [02:14] <blrich> can anyone help? can;t get my webcam recognised. lsusb gives this: Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. Sansun SN-510 WebCam [hv713d] any suggestions? [02:14] <fissy> crimsun: ? [02:14] <jono> LinuxJones, heh [02:14] <kafeine> fissy, there is a reason it's refferred to as 'testing' [02:14] <Grat> brk3: you just tell him that.... [02:14] <kafeine> anyways [02:14] <brk3> Grat: i will :) [02:14] <fissy> so you don't want it fixed then? [02:14] <TheGnome> brk3, i have found kubuntu to be a little more buggy [02:14] <kafeine> anyone had any luck with ati drivers under breezy? [02:14] <LinuxJones> jono, :) [02:14] <fissy> what a ridiculous thing to sy [02:14] <fissy> say [02:14] <brk3> TheGnome: thats what he said [02:14] <fissy> i know it's the development distro [02:15] <tristanmike> sakon: some teams, don't get all that much money, and therefore can't afford the big players, and since they can't, they fall further and further behind the winning teams. [02:15] <TheGnome> brk3, but not much at all [02:15] <TheGnome> brk3, i fixed all the bug by doing some tweaking [02:15] <crlsnr> who here is good at connecting with wlan? [02:15] <crimsun> fissy: there're quite a lot of things in flux in Breezy. The issue is known. Be patient, or revert to Hoary. [02:15] <sakon> tristanmike: ah i see [02:15] <zerboxx> Can anybody here help me with an apache setup? I'm working through the wiki but I'd still like a hand [02:16] <tristanmike> sakon: the salary cap is in place to stop one team from buying up all the good players. Basically each team is allowed to spend "X" ammount on players and anymore than that would have to be negociated [02:16] <sakon> tristanmike: its alway about money . so [02:16] <kafeine> fissy, it's actually a known issue of gnome-panel. it does it, every now and then. it happens in hoary, even [02:16] <sakon> tristanmike: bill doesnt work for free too ;) [02:16] <fissy> ok, all i was wondering was whether i should make a bugzilla post or not crimsun. is there any fix known? [02:16] <ubercompuser> kubuntu has been buggy with the gui... for me. back when i did use it for a week [02:16] <splitta> any showstoppers in colony3 we should know about ? [02:16] <fissy> hmm... not every 5 minutes :D [02:16] <tristanmike> sakon: but the salary cap is to stop the salarys from reaching too high [02:16] <crimsun> splitta: please read the posts regarding Colony 3 on -users [02:17] <kafeine> fissy, whenever you wonder about some bug like this, and wheter to post it or not, try searching the bugzilla first for this specific issue [02:17] <tristanmike> sakon: the ONLY money Bill ever got out of me was for my mouse and keyboard [02:17] <kafeine> to see it it's reported already or not [02:17] <fissy> kafeine: i did [02:17] <TheGnome> tristanmike, why did he even get that? [02:17] <ubercompuser> i think kubuntu should create there own release dates and not rely on someone else so they can debugg it and make it run smoother [02:17] <tristanmike> sakon: and that's ALL he will ever get if I can knowingly help it [02:17] <TheGnome> tristanmike, lol [02:17] <fissy> but when you don't know more than 'it crashes a lot' bugzilla isn't so helpful [02:17] <sakon> tristanmike: we made a joke with a wallpaper out of his new vista [02:17] <tristanmike> TheGnome: You don't have to give me a papercut, then pour lemon juice on it. I feel dirty enough.... [02:18] <kafeine> bugzilla ain't exactly an example of an user-friend application, true [02:18] <tristanmike> TheGnome, lol [02:18] <TheGnome> tristanmike, well you do have a dell.....which is owned by microsoft [02:18] <sakon> tristanmike: its pretty simple Virus Infectin Spyware Trojans Adware thats all the new OS is made of [02:18] <tristanmike> TheGnome: I don't own one...yet [02:18] <Grat> hehe :> [02:18] <sakon> tristanmike: but Vista could be pretty interesting [02:19] <tristanmike> TheGnome: I had my computer custom built [02:19] <TheGnome> i built mine myself [02:19] <tristanmike> TheGnome, with Asus and nVidia parts [02:19] <TheGnome> and it was soo cheap [02:19] <sakon> tristanmike: there shouldnt be any foulders but only objects [02:19] <kafeine> i can't see the point in buying a computer built by some company like dell [02:19] <grigora> what do I need to do to play a DVD movie with Totem? or is Totem not for DVDs? thanks [02:19] <kafeine> or whatever company it is... [02:19] <abyss> lo where i can get an mp3 codec for playing mp3s? [02:19] <kafeine> grigora, sudo apt-get install totem-xine libdvdcss2 [02:19] <tristanmike> TheGnome, Dell is owned by Microsoft?? [02:20] <TheGnome> tristanmike, they are now [02:20] <kafeine> computers are made to be custom built... [02:20] <kafeine> thats the fun in computing, after all [02:20] <Tom-W> is the 5.10 build allot better than the 5.04 build? I got 5.04 at a local PC shop but I see 5.10 is out [02:20] <tristanmike> TheGnome, thanx you just settled it for me, i was gonna buy their laptop, guess not now.... [02:20] <kafeine> Tom-W, it is not out yet [02:20] <pcharky> Hello there, can anybody help me get the line-in on my SB Aud2 to work? [02:20] <kafeine> it's testing [02:20] <Tom-W> what? [02:21] <jbull> abyss: the gstreamer-mad package should do it [02:21] <TheGnome> tristanmike, no .... they are still good pc's im sure bill dont get ALL of the money lol [02:21] <grigora> kafeine: thanks [02:21] <kargath64> hey, anyone know of any free software that can resize partitions? I need one to install ubuntu... [02:21] <Tom-W> is the testing version better than 5.04? [02:21] <kafeine> Tom-W, the 5.10 is not out yet. what is out is a testing pre-release [02:21] <kafeine> kh.. [02:21] <abyss> how i can get this? im a little bit new to, old debian user :) [02:21] <kafeine> well, it is newer, you can count on that [02:21] <tristanmike> TheGnome, he won't get a penny from me, knowingly, he's condemed OSS since the beginning [02:21] <Tom-W> lol [02:21] <kafeine> but it can't par with hoary's stability, yet. [02:21] <fissy> is there likely to be a pre-release on gnome 2.12's release day/ [02:21] <kemik> abyss: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad [02:21] <Grat> kargath64: i dont know if its free, but there is partition magic for windows [02:22] <kargath64> :( [02:22] <fissy> i've found those releases to be perfectly stable enough the past couple of times [02:22] <benplaut> breezy is pretty stable for me, so far [02:22] <kargath64> 90 bucks [02:22] <abyss> lol pretty easy the debian way ;) [02:22] <abyss> thx [02:22] <tristanmike> TheGnome, If I had been aware of Linux earlier, I would've migrated long ago [02:22] <kafeine> breezy's stable for me too:) [02:22] <Grat> kargath64: ah sorry [02:22] <kargath64> can the installer handle partitioning? [02:22] <tristanmike> I DON'T LIKE BULLIES! [02:22] <kemik> abyss: ubuntu is sortof like debian, but even easier ;) [02:22] <kafeine> and for a lot of us [02:22] <kafeine> kargath64, yes [02:22] <TheGnome> tristanmike, well i dont think bill knew his os would be condemed to virus's and such [02:23] <kargath64> but I lose the data, yeah? [02:23] <kafeine> but i wouldn't recommend breezy to newbies yet [02:23] <kafeine> kargath64, depends [02:23] <kafeine> what exactly do you want to do? [02:23] <Luna-Tick> kargath the installer doesn't really support partitioning... not like Mandrake's [02:23] <Grat> make a partiton smaller i presume
 abyss: ubuntu is sortof like debian, but even easier ;) <-- and with security updates :) [02:23] <kargath64> all I have is a single NTFS partition taking up the whole drive [02:23] <TheGnome> !dma [02:23] <kafeine> well [02:23] <grigora> on a different note, FYI, the Flash plugin for Mozilla (the package) constantly crashes, but a manual install from Macromedia works fine [02:23] <kargath64> with windows on it [02:23] <Tom-W> VISTA = Viruses, infections, spyware, trojans,adware ? [02:23] <tristanmike> TheGnome, he probably thought the opposite by keeping it closed, but that's what you get when you try to hide your stuff from the world, they get insulted and do anything they can to find out what's so secret [02:23] <kafeine> that's gonna need formatting [02:23] <benplaut> yup [02:23] <kemik> kargath64: just format it all :) [02:24] <Luna-Tick> LOL [02:24] <kargath64> ah well [02:24] <TheGnome> !dvd [02:24] <ubotu> [dvd] There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good. gstreamer-totem [02:24] <abyss> and the first who has a stable ppc G3 Xorg graphiccard driver that works [02:24] <kargath64> backups time for me then [02:24] <Luna-Tick> It does work [02:24] <Luna-Tick> I did it [02:24] <kafeine> yup [02:24] <tristanmike> kafeine, can't he resize the partition?? [02:24] <kafeine> tristanmike, mmm [02:24] <tristanmike> kafeine, lol [02:24] <Luna-Tick> Karg - just be very careful [02:24] <TheGnome> what is the hdparm dma command for dvd? [02:24] <Luna-Tick> defrag first, [02:24] <Grat> i dont thing resizing is possible :> [02:24] <tristanmike> kafeine, ok, Marge... [02:24] <kafeine> i'm not really familiar with ntfs' chances of resizing [02:25] <abyss> on debian i had to switch to unstable for xorg use and without xorg my xserver wont work ^^ [02:25] <kafeine> even with win32 software [02:25] <Luna-Tick> Grat; Kaffeine: it does work [02:25] <kemik> you can resize a ntfs partiotn with Partition Magic [02:25] <kemik> not with ubuntu-installer [02:25] <Luna-Tick> I did it without [02:25] <ubercompuser> also gparted [02:25] <kargath64> Luna-Tick: how? [02:25] <kafeine> ooh [02:25] <tristanmike> kafeine, the wiki says this... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/I386 [02:25] <kafeine> i wouldnt touch no ntfs under linux, no, sirre [02:25] <LinuxJones> kemik, I thought Ubuntu installer did ntfs [02:25] <kafeine> tristanmike, possible [02:25] <kafeine> ntfs is a chimera, anyway [02:25] <abyss> exist in ubuntu a proggie like synaptic on debian? [02:25] <kafeine> it aint no stable standard [02:26] <kafeine> abyss, it's the same, and it's in it [02:26] <grigora> kafeine: I cannot find libdvdcss2? what repository is it from? I have the officially supported as well as the community supported software repositories [02:26] <tristanmike> kafeine, as long as you defrag the piss out of it..... [02:26] <Luna-Tick> grig: hoary extras [02:26] <abyss> kafeine, i think i will switch from debian to ubuntu generelly [02:26] <kafeine> grigora, should be in hoary-backports [02:26] <abyss> its really pretty easy [02:26] <tristanmike> kafeine, of course, if you can convince a re-format, then cudos to you [02:27] <Luna-Tick> Yeah -hoary backports extras [02:27] <pcharky> Hello there, can anybody help me get the line-in on my SB Aud2 to work? [02:27] <abyss> but whats the root pw? the installer never asked for! [02:27] <kargath64> what's synaptic? [02:27] <kafeine> abyss, you won't feel a big change, it's basically the same, but les packages, better release cycle, awesome community [02:27] <kemik> abyss: there is none [02:27] <kemik> !root [02:27] <ubotu> root is, like, totally, disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo [02:27] <TheGnome> what is the hdparm dma command for dvd? [02:27] <cyphase> is it possible to start a graphical application remotely, and have the window appear on the computer it's running on [02:27] <cyphase> ? [02:27] <kafeine> kargath64, gtk frontend to apt-get [02:27] <kargath64> oh ok :) [02:27] <vitriol> !dma [02:28] <kargath64> no terminals for me :) [02:28] <kafeine> abyss, it should be your user's pass [02:28] <abyss> synaptic is a Xserver proggie for apt [02:28] <Tom-W> ncyphase are you asking about nx? [02:28] <vitriol> (i'd like to know that too) ;) [02:28] <Luna-Tick> TheGnome: You can set it in hdparm [02:28] <kafeine> tristanmike, a clean format will certainly be less dangerous [02:28] <kafeine> i mean [02:28] <kemik> cyphase: possibly if you specifiy a running display on the server... [02:28] <kafeine> you *know* that with formatting everything's wiped out [02:28] <kemik> cyphase: but im really not sure how ;) [02:28] <Wanderer_> Linux Jones? [02:28] <kafeine> and with resizing [02:28] <kafeine> it could happen [02:28] <cyphase> kemik, yea, me neither ;) [02:28] <Luna-Tick> TheGnome: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ [02:28] <tristanmike> kafeine, I mean, that's how i did it, and just left room for the FAT and ext systems [02:28] <kafeine> but they don't really bother telling you that [02:28] <vitriol> gah where do i get ndiswrapper from? [02:29] <benplaut> !ndiswrapper [02:29] <ubotu> it has been said that ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper [02:29] <kemik> cyphase: you could use VNC i guess... ;) [02:29] <vitriol> thanks [02:29] <abyss> exist divx and similar codec packages? [02:29] <tristanmike> kafeine, it's the best way, I wouldn't dissagree there at all [02:29] <kemik> !restricted [02:29] <ubotu> restricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [02:29] <LinuxJones> Wanderer_, what do you want ? [02:29] <kemik> abyss: that link, or use VLC [02:29] <fissy> abyss, gstreamer-ffmpeg [02:29] <pschulz01> Greetings.. how do I turn off (remove) a serial port from being used for a mouse? [02:29] <kargath64> !partition [02:29] <ubotu> kargath64: Are you on ritalin? [02:29] <kafeine> abyss, try your movies with totem-xine, vlc, et cetera [02:29] <kargath64> :( [02:29] <TheGnome> /dev/hda: [02:29] <TheGnome> setting using_dma to 1 (on) [02:29] <TheGnome> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted [02:29] <TheGnome> using_dma = 0 (off) [02:29] <Wanderer_> I posted my problems awhile ago. Did not get a response. [02:29] <kargath64> the bot doesn't like me [02:29] <kemik> totem should be banned [02:29] <kemik> .> [02:30] <kafeine> kargath64, the bot is stoopid [02:30] <kafeine> dont worry [02:30] <fissy> totem is awesome [02:30] <TheGnome> totem-xine rocks [02:30] <kafeine> he's just a virgin and he hates us for it [02:30] <kafeine> all of us [02:30] <jbull> Wanderer_: what kind of problems? [02:30] <Luna-Tick> TheGnome - the cd/dvd drive is /dev/hdc [02:30] <Luna-Tick> usually [02:30] <tristanmike> Wanderer_, did you burn your cd yourself? [02:30] <Elsidox> can someone help me? When I run apt-get update I get errors. [02:30] <Tom-W> ncyphase is this what your looking for : http://www.nomachine.com/ [02:30] <TheGnome> Luna-Tick, no mine is hda [02:30] <Luna-Tick> really?? [02:30] <Wanderer_> No. Got it from a friend who ordered them. [02:30] <TheGnome> Luna-Tick, sure is [02:30] <Luna-Tick> gee.. [02:30] <LinuxJones> Wanderer_, oh sorry man I didn't see, give me 2 mins to have a smoke and I will help if I can ok ? [02:30] <vitriol> !bluetooth [02:30] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, vitriol [02:31] <vitriol> damn you! [02:31] <Wanderer_> OK. [02:31] <kafeine> TheGnome, isnt that some hard drive or something? [02:31] <tristanmike> jbull, he is having problems after the Install Splash Screen; reboots [02:31] <LinuxJones> Wanderer_, brb :) [02:31] <jbull> hm... [02:31] <TheGnome> NO IT IS MY DVD DRIVE [02:31] <Luna-Tick> Calm [02:31] <kemik> hdX just denotes where on the cable and which controller you've put the drive(s) [02:31] <kafeine> khm. [02:31] <TheGnome> sda is my hardrive [02:31] <grigora> kafeine: thanks, but I don't know to how add hoary-backports, it's not on the Synaptic's repository list [02:31] <dimethyl> hey, does anyone know how i can get transcode binaries installed on ubuntu [02:31] <TheGnome> cuz it isnt IDE [02:31] <Luna-Tick> Nice [02:31] <tristanmike> jbull, hit's return, and reboots, my friend Mot is having a very similar problem.. [02:32] <pschulz01> I would like to attach a device to '/dev/ttyS0' which is not a mouse.. [02:32] <grigora> kafeine: apt-cache search libdvdcss2 can't seem to find it either [02:32] <kemik> hda = primary master, hdb = primary slave, hdc = sec master hdd = sec slave... [02:32] <TheGnome> yes [02:32] <TheGnome> hda = my dvd drive [02:32] <kafeine> grigora, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports?highlight=%28backports%29 [02:32] <pschulz01> .. when I plug ut in my ps/2 mouse get's slow and unresponsive [02:32] <tristanmike> TheGnome: that seems odd..... [02:32] <abyss> kafeine, how about wireless solutions on ubuntu like rt2500? [02:32] <Luna-Tick> But possible [02:32] <TheGnome> tristanmike, why? [02:32] <ridiie> anyone have any idea what this means... I got this error when trying to install bootmagic on a fat32 partition. "unable to write bootmagic to MBR, not enough free sectors" [02:32] <kemik> it's not odd, he's put the DVD on primary master [02:32] <pschulz01> Searching through /etc, '/dev/ttyS0' is mentioned in a couple of places.. [02:33] <tristanmike> TheGnome, shouldn't the hard-drive be hda? [02:33] <Tom-W> lol [02:33] <kemik> and SDA is scsi ? [02:33] <Luna-Tick> No! [02:33] <kemik> oh god.. [02:33] <kafeine> and grigora, don't even bother with the main backports, use mirrors instead [02:33] <kemik> doesnt ppl read ? =) [02:33] <nudnick> can someone help me out with my ubuntu instalation. i'm getting an error while it checks hardware [02:33] <Tom-W> sda is scsi yes [02:33] <abyss> on debian the system freeze if i use the rt2500 driver [02:33] <Luna-Tick> Tristan - the harddrive is scsi so the first IDE thing that he has is his DVD drive [02:33] <kafeine> abyss, can't help you with that, cause i have no wireless networking stuff around me [02:33] <pschulz01> '/etc/inittab', 'sane.d/dc??.conf [02:33] <kafeine> but try the wiki and the forums [02:34] <tristanmike> Luna-Tick, sorry, I missed that, MY BAD! [02:34] <MrPockets> XMMS was being a douche, so i used the cleint killer to kill it, how do i re initalize it now? [02:34] <kafeine> and i'm sure there must be someone here who can help you on that one [02:34] <kemik> Luna-Tick: but it doesnt even work like that, now does it.. if he changes a cable his dvd will be HDC ;) [02:34] <kargath64> so just confirming b4 i quit [02:34] <Luna-Tick> *sigh* [02:34] <nudnick> :( anyone? [02:34] <Luna-Tick> that is true [02:34] <pschulz01> and 'securetty' [02:34] <kafeine> MrPockets, $ xmms? [02:34] <Tom-W> change the boot oder in the bios , not to boot the cd before hd ??? [02:34] <TheGnome> kemik, your not getting it [02:34] <kargath64> what partitioning features does the 5.04 installer have? [02:34] <jorgp> I thought transcode in multiverse, but its not there [02:34] <tristanmike> TheGnome, nevermind, I missed the part when you said your drive was SCSI, sorry, my bad [02:35] <MrPockets> nah, i click the icon and nothing comes up [02:35] <gmoore> anyone familiar with ftp servers in linux behind a router? i have mine set up and configured and i can connect internally but others cannot, they get error 425 could not build data connection. [02:35] <pschulz01> nudnick: What hardware are u using? [02:35] <kemik> TheGnome: im sure i've got it.. take your secondary IDE controller and connect your DVD. it'll be /dev/hdc [02:35] <Luna-Tick> Karg: the features are to format the lot or use existing partitions [02:35] <kafeine> kargath64, you can generally re-partition, delete partitions, create new partitions, and erase the entire hard drive [02:35] <Luna-Tick> if I remember [02:35] <nudnick> pschulz01 i'll PM you [02:35] <Luna-Tick> Oh, okay [02:35] <pschulz01> gmoore: set to connection to 'passive'.. [02:35] <abyss> E: Konnte Paket gstreamer0.8-mad nicht finden [02:35] <Luna-Tick> kemik - will changing it to hdc make it easier to set DMA? [02:36] <kargath64> ok [02:36] <kemik> Luna-Tick: no ;) [02:36] <fissy> gmoore: do you know how to do port forwarding on your router? [02:36] <kargath64> still feeling nervous [02:36] <gmoore> pschulz01: he can't connect in pasv either [02:36] <gmoore> fissy: yes and the ftp port is forwarded [02:36] <kargath64> but i'll give it a shot nyway :) [02:36] <kafeine> kargath64, its normal, dont worry [02:36] <Luna-Tick> then it doesn't help ;) [02:36] <fissy> gmoore: and port 20? [02:36] <kafeine> everything's gonna mess up:D [02:36] <dimethyl> does anyone know how i can get transcode installed on ubuntu??...or if i can use another package to take divx > svcd ?? [02:36] <gmoore> fissy: oh i should forward 20? trying [02:36] <kafeine> ok folks, im gonna have some sleep [02:36] <kafeine> good night all [02:36] <kargath64> nyo [02:36] <dimethyl> later [02:36] <tristanmike> kargath64, good luck, I stared at the partitioning page for 2 days before building up the courage [02:36] <kemik> Luna-Tick: just thought it should be explained that HDA isnt "the first drive" or something.. it sort or correleates to hardware placing.. [02:36] <TheGnome> well im typing hdparm -d1 /dev/hda.........is that the right command [02:37] <gmoore> trying now... [02:37] <fissy> gmoore: iirc the connection is done on port 21 and data istransferred on port 20... odd, perhaps i'm wrong [02:37] <LinuxJones> Wanderer_, ok back [02:37] <jorgp> anyone know the apt-get line for transcode for breezy? [02:37] <grigora> kafeine: even after adding [deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted] to my /etc/apt/sources.conf I still cannot find libdvdcss2. any ideas? [02:37] <Luna-Tick> TheGnome - Not sure sorry, I went straight to hdparm, but I believe that there is a wiki page... [02:37] <LinuxJones> fissy, your right [02:37] <abyss> kafeine, E: Konnte Paket gstreamer0.8-mad nicht finden <- you really sure that package was named so? [02:37] <tristanmike> TheGnome: that'll turn DMA on if it's off [02:37] <dimethyl> jorgp, you trying to help me, or u have the same problem? [02:38] <kafeine> grigora, did you reload your packages before that? [02:38] <grigora> kafeine: apt-get update? [02:38] <Luna-Tick> Anyway chaps, I must be off - good luck all [02:38] <tristanmike> TheGnome: or rather, tell you if it's on or off [02:38] <grigora> kafeine: yes [02:38] <kafeine> grigora, khm [02:38] <tristanmike> Luna-Tick, take care [02:38] <kafeine> abyss, yup [02:38] <Luna-Tick> ciao [02:38] <kemik> TheGnome: edit your /etc/hdparm.conf and add this: [02:38] <grigora> kafeine: what's khm? [02:38] <fissy> LinuxJones: :) I don't quite understand why though.. other systems manage with just the one port [02:38] <kemik> TheGnome: wait for pastebin ;) [02:38] <abyss> kafeine, okay then it seems to be not in my apt sources [02:38] <jorgp> dimethyl: dont know, I am not sure the repos that transcode is in [02:38] <LinuxJones> fissy, it's an old protocol [02:38] <kafeine> it's like hm but in a more... kafeine way [02:39] <gmoore> okay my ftp server is running on port 4096 and i have both that and port 20 forwarded to the machine running the server. my friend still can't connect, error 425 unable to build data connection using port, and using pasv he doesn't get a LIST. [02:39] <kemik> TheGnome: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1411 [02:39] <TheGnome> kemik, no no no [02:39] <kafeine> grigora, use some of those mirrors http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php [02:39] <kemik> TheGnome: at least, thats what i've done to enable DMA on my drive [02:39] <kafeine> pf [02:39] <Grat> bye guys [02:39] <Grat> enjoy [02:39] <kafeine> and really, im going to bed, so, good luck to you all [02:40] <kemik> gnite kafeine [02:40] <kafeine> and ill see you tomorrow [02:40] <tristanmike> good nite kafeine [02:40] <kemik> TheGnome: tried that ? [02:40] <fissy> gmoore: how come you've got it running on port 4096? have you forwarded both ports 20 & 21 to port 4096 because i don't imagine that would work [02:40] <kafeine> night yall [02:40] <abyss> kafeine, where i can download it then if my apt say that it not exist [02:40] <gmoore> fissy: because the server i ran previously on my windows machine was on that port [02:40] <LinuxJones> gmoore, why not rn your server on the standard port ? [02:40] <gmoore> okay i'll try it [02:40] <kafeine> abyss, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto?highlight=%28repositories%29 [02:41] <kemik> gmoore: maybe you shouldnt run the dataport on the same port as control? [02:41] <TheGnome> kemik, i dont want dma on for good [02:41] <kafeine> and good luck, and good night, and whatnot [02:41] <kemik> TheGnome: oh.. why not ?? [02:41] <jorgp> dimethyl: are you having same issue? [02:41] <gmoore> okay when i run it on port 21, i can't even establish a connection locally. the machine doesn't even respond [02:41] <benplaut> you guys know where i can find some 404 page ideas? [02:41] <tristanmike> abyss, I just check the "gstreamer0.8-mad" package is in synaptic [02:42] <abyss> tristanmike, my apt find nothing [02:42] <fissy> :| [02:42] <kemik> abyss: you've added hoary-extras ? [02:42] <jtan325> hmm [02:42] <jtan325> anyone notice [02:42] <kemik> abyss: and done "apt-update" ? [02:42] <fissy> does the server have its own firewall gmoore? [02:42] <abyss> kemik, how? its a fresh ubuntu install (ppc) [02:42] <tristanmike> abyss, have you edited your sources.list yet?? [02:42] <LinuxJones> gmoore, you realize that Ubuntu servers only listen on localhost by default. (for secutiry reasons) Did you do any modifications to allow external networks to connect to your ftp server ? [02:42] <ilovetoastmaker> someone good at ubuntu im me: brianthebumpy [02:42] <kemik> !repositories [02:42] <ubotu> rumour has it, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [02:42] <TheGnome> hda: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive [02:42] <abyss> tristanmike, no [02:42] <dimethyl> jorgp, yea, i cant get transcode installed [02:42] <gmoore> LinuxJones: i did NOT know that and i have not set it up to allow external connections [02:42] <jtan325> "please don't use breezy yet" is no longer in the topic [02:42] <jtan325> ... [02:42] <ilovetoastmaker> someone good at ubunu im me: brianthelumpy [02:42] <kemik> !hoary-extras [02:42] <ubotu> hoary-extras is, like, totally, see http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [02:43] <LinuxJones> gmoore, that's your problem right there [02:43] <BTJustice> I went to this webpage and followed the directions in the first post to get my SB Live! 7.1 24 to work, but the sound is real choppy and scratchy. Do I need to change a setting or something? I use Kubuntu. The webpage is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307 [02:43] <fissy> presumably that's not the problem if it was allowing some sort of connection before on the weird port [02:43] <kemik> abyss: follow those links [02:43] <gmoore> LinuxJones :) what next? [02:43] <jorgp> dimethyl: what repos are you getting it from? [02:43] <jtan325> is breezy "usable" now? [02:43] <jbull> ilovetoastmaker: what do you need help with? [02:43] <Velox> ilovetoastmaker: Please don't spam, it makes us less willing to help :P [02:43] <fissy> does the pope defecate in forests [02:43] <tristanmike> abyss, i private messaged you [02:43] <dimethyl> jorgp, im not sure, i dont even know a lot about ubuntu [02:43] <LinuxJones> gmoore, what ftp server are you running ? [02:43] <dimethyl> which is pissing me off the way the do things [02:43] <gmoore> proftpd [02:43] <LinuxJones> gmoore, there may be a howto on the wiki [02:43] <dimethyl> i just wanna burn a damn svcd [02:43] <jbull> jtan325: usable as it's ever been...although the cairo recompiles are causing some problems [02:44] <LinuxJones> gmoore, vsftp is the prefered one for alot of distro these days [02:44] <jtan325> jbull, well like i said, "please don't use breezy yet" is longer in the topic [02:44] <jtan325> was that intentional? [02:44] <gmoore> LinuxJones: i spent forever getting this configured, i'd really rather not change now :( [02:44] <LinuxJones> gmoore, try searching the wiki and see if it comes up with any info [02:44] <gmoore> nothing on the wiki [02:44] <dimethyl> jorgp, im gonna keep trying for like a half hour.....pm me if you figure it out and ill do the same [02:44] <jbull> jtan325: ah, i didn't notice--no idea as to whether it was intentional or not [02:45] <TheGnome> can someone out there help me with enabling dma? [02:45] <jorgp> dimethyl: ok [02:45] <kemik> TheGnome: why didnt you want it permanently ? [02:45] <dimethyl> like, am i supposed to add servers to the sources.list? [02:45] <jack|ass> did hoary become stable? [02:46] <TheGnome> kemik, ok i will try it......what file do i put that in? [02:46] <LinuxJones> gmoore, although not recommended here is ubuntuguide.org's proftp info >> http://ubuntuguide.org/#installftpserver It should get you up and running [02:46] <kemik> TheGnome: /etc/hdparm.conf [02:46] <dimethyl> can anyone tell me why i need the ubuntu install cdrom sometimes when i install packages/ [02:46] <jtan325> jbull, what are these cairo problems? [02:47] <jtan325> i'm seriously condsidering upgrading repos to breezy [02:47] <gmoore> LinuxJones: only has stuff that i've already done : [02:47] <gmoore> :( [02:47] <jtan325> but i gotta make sure the problems ain't so bad [02:47] <TheGnome> kemik, everything is commented out? [02:47] <dimethyl> is it supposed to ask for the cd? [02:47] <LinuxJones> gmoore, did you restart the proftpd server after making the changes ? [02:48] <gmoore> yes [02:48] <jbull> jtan325: for me, the only problem im having is that evince crashes on startup [02:48] <gmoore> on port 21 it won't even reply locally [02:48] <kemik> TheGnome: well you add those lines i gave you at the end [02:48] <kemik> TheGnome: and yes, my hdparm.conf is full of stuff that's commented-out [02:48] <jtan325> hmmmm [02:48] <NatureTruth> help! I need the kernel source for kernel 2.10, how do I install it? [02:48] <gmoore> started proftpd on port 21 and typed 'ftp localhost 21' gives me 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection [02:48] <jtan325> !topic [02:48] <Wanderer_> Ok. I'm back, Linux Jones. Did you see my problem post back a 1000 lines or so? [02:49] <TheGnome> kemik, do i have to reboot? [02:49] <BTJustice> I went to this webpage and followed the directions in the first post to get my SB Live! 7.1 24 to work, but the sound is real choppy and scratchy. Do I need to change a setting or something? I use Kubuntu. The webpage is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307 [02:49] <dimethyl> can someone please message me their sources.list , mine is fsck'd up [02:50] <NatureTruth> help! I need to compile a new version of Alsa from source and it needs the kernel source, how do I install it? It's not in synaptic [02:50] <gmoore> linux would you mind if i pmed you with the server info and you could try connecting? it's possible my friend just has a crappy client or router himself and the problem isn't on my end. [02:50] <hardw1re> apt-cache search alsa [02:50] <kemik> TheGnome: i'm afraid so, i dont know anyother way [02:50] <hardw1re> in root console [02:50] <TheGnome> kemik [02:51] <TheGnome> kemik, ok brb [02:51] <kemik> TheGnome: and it'll probably display an error, but DMA will be enabled... [02:51] <Wanderer_> Ohhhhh...Liiiiinnniiix! Lllliiinniiix Joooohnnns! [02:51] <jtan325> Seveas, or bob2, what's the status of breezy if you guys are there? [02:52] <LinuxJones> gmoore, I haven't run an ftp server in like 7 years so i wouldn't be much help [02:53] <LinuxJones> Wanderer_, 1 more time :) [02:53] <gmoore> LinuxJones: just want to see if you can connect though and what error you get if any so i can tell if its me or him [02:53] <Wanderer_> My Problem? [02:53] <LinuxJones> Wanderer_, yes [02:53] <dimethyl> bt, i keep hitting accept but its not working [02:53] <LinuxJones> gmoore, It's probably you [02:53] <LinuxJones> gmoore, can you connect to it yourself ? [02:54] <gmoore> both localhost (on the ubuntu machine) and network (winxp machine) connect fine [02:54] <BTJustice> PM me [02:54] <LinuxJones> gmoore, ok I will try [02:54] <gmoore> also connecting to my external ip address through the xp machine works as well [02:54] <LinuxJones> gmoore, are you behind a firewall ? [02:54] <gmoore> yes and the ports are forwarded [02:55] <TheGnome> kemik, didnt work [02:55] <kemik> TheGnome: what does "hdparm -d /dev/hda" say ? [02:55] <LinuxJones> gmoore, 1 sec [02:55] <TheGnome> /dev/hda: [02:55] <TheGnome> using_dma = 0 (off) [02:56] <kemik> TheGnome: do you have an AMD ? [02:56] <kemik> TheGnome: there's alot of stuff about your problem in http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-30949.html [02:56] <LinuxJones> gmoore, I logged in [02:57] <jedix> anyone use transgaming? [02:57] <kemik> TheGnome: and this thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=93238#post93238 [02:57] <LinuxJones> gmoore, it's veryyyyy slow [02:58] <gmoore> did it work at all? [02:58] <dimethyl> does anyone know what package libz is in? [02:59] <LinuxJones> gmoore, why do you have a .nl ftp site if you have a .ca ip address ? [02:59] <gmoore> .nu, free dns forwarding [02:59] <cyphase> how could i find all the symbolic links on my hard drive? [02:59] <cyphase> would i have to create a custom program? [03:00] <dabar> I just wanted to point out a cindy crawford smiley I just came up with...altho, I am sure it was done before.... :-./ :-.) [03:00] <zerboxx> How do I install a .deb file? [03:00] <gmoore> dpkg -i filename.deb [03:00] <kemik> !dpkg [03:00] <ubotu> rumour has it, dpkg is the Debian Package Manager: sudo dpkg --install package.deb [03:00] <dabar> zerboxx: cant you install from repositories? [03:01] <zerboxx> dabar: I should :) [03:01] <zerboxx> dabar: I'm looking for a python file which should be with bitorrent, but it's not [03:01] <dabar> noone thinks the cindy crawford smileys are funny, or are those common practice? [03:01] <cute_bettong> is there a why to check the integrety of the ubuntu installed os? [03:01] <dabar> zerboxx: used synaptics search? [03:01] <zerboxx> dabar: yup..pretty sure anyways [03:01] <LinuxJones> gmoore, have you checked your directory/fiel permissions on your ftp folder ? [03:02] <Wanderer_> I get to the screen where you press ENTER to run the default setup. I do so, and the installer displays stuff informing me that it's decompressing this and that. It then displays a message having something to do with the kernel (I don't know for sure the specific contense of the message due to the fact it dissappears approx. 1.5 seconds after it is displayed). The computer then reboots,... [03:02] <Wanderer_> ...rereads the cd, and then plops me down in front of the beginning screen again! It repeats this process ad infintium, until I get too disgusted and eject it from the drive, at which time I reboot and load up Windows. [03:02] <gmoore> yes because i can connect to both the internal network address from the router and the same address i gave you, and both work [03:02] <TheGnome> kemik, found out [03:02] <dabar> I cant believe noone likes the Cindy Crwaford smileys... [03:02] <zerboxx> dabar: http://www.torrentflux.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=10 I'm on step 4 :) [03:02] <kemik> TheGnome: good =) [03:02] <TheGnome> kemik, was a problem in my etc/modules [03:02] <TheGnome> kemik, thanks for the links [03:03] <cute_bettong> so anyone know the answer to my question? [03:03] <kemik> TheGnome: np.. now it's time to sleep [03:03] <Wanderer_> Linux? [03:03] <Wanderer_> Linux Jones? [03:04] <sambagirl> cube_bettong, if it boots up and you can login i would say it works :) [03:04] <Wanderer_> Mr. Jones? [03:05] <BTJustice> I went to this webpage and followed the directions in the first post to get my SB Live! 7.1 24 to work, but the sound is real choppy and scratchy. Do I need to change a setting or something? I use Kubuntu. The webpage is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307 [03:05] <tristanmike> Wanderer_, just wait a sec, he might be reading something [03:05] <letschatt> hi guys. can someone personal message me - i am a ubuntu newbie and need some help in compiling a driver [03:05] <LinuxJones> Wanderer_, have you tried to look at your cdrom to see if it's got a scratch on it or maybe the cd is burned incorrectly (there were errors) [03:05] <darkheart> letschatt Driver for what? [03:05] <letschatt> i keep getting stdlib.h no such file or directory [03:05] <letschatt> i have cpp and gcc [03:05] <letschatt> for my wireless network card [03:06] <letschatt> a friend of mine got it working on kubuntu [03:06] <kemik> letschatt is lucky this isnt #debian.. irc'ing as root is forbidden there.. :) [03:06] <Wanderer_> It was not burned got it from a friend, who got it through the mail from Canonical. [03:06] <ian> how do i restart my gnome GUI? [03:06] <kemik> letschatt: get "build-essential" [03:06] <ian> how do i restart my gnome GUI? or refresh it? [03:06] <darkheart> Yeah root is bad =P [03:06] <letschatt> yeah i know the rules guys [03:06] <LinuxJones> Wanderer_, were you ever messing about with your systems bios ? [03:06] <letschatt> not a linux newbie but i got soo sick and tired of sudo honestly speaking [03:07] <letschatt> is that a package build-essential? [03:07] <Wanderer_> Nope. [03:07] <darkheart> ian If you hit ctrl+alt+backspace it will shut down your X server, but beware, it will close everything. [03:07] <kemik> letschatt: apt-get that, yes [03:07] <LinuxJones> Wanderer_, have you ever looked around in there / [03:07] <kemik> i've learned to live with sudo actually [03:07] <kemik> :) [03:07] <ian> darkheart: how ill i go back in GUI? [03:07] <darkheart> letschatt Why do you have to IRC with root permissions? [03:07] <cute_bettong> what is a bogofilter file? [03:08] <darkheart> ian If you are running GDM it will automatically start back up. If not, just type 'startx' at the prompt. [03:08] <letschatt> i don't have to but i see right now i was doing a sh*tload of modprobing and makes and stuff [03:08] <alec> ian: to restart X, hit ctrl-alt-backspace [03:08] <Wanderer_> Yeah, but I was afraid to touch anything. [03:08] <letschatt> and i got sick and tired of not having root to do all this [03:08] <gmoore> LinuxJones i figured out the problem, the machine is sending out its INTERNAL ip address instead of the external one to the client for forming a port command. [03:08] <darkheart> letschatt i see. [03:08] <letschatt> anyway that's not what i am here to debate [03:08] <ian> ok...thanks.. [03:08] <LinuxJones> gmoore, ohh so it's working now ? [03:08] <OwnageLinux> Guys do you know how to use the direct connect in gaim or if there is a direct connect in gaim [03:08] <letschatt> starting off 1. can someone give me ONE friggin source that actually works? i can't find any package at all [03:09] <letschatt> i can't find build-essentials no candidate [03:09] <gmoore> LinuxJones: no not yet but i know that's the problem now. i need to convince my ubuntu machine to send titaniumone.mine.nu or my external ip instead of 192.168.0.12 [03:09] <OwnageLinux> Guys do you know how to use the direct connect in gaim or if there is a direct connect in gaim [03:09] <apokryphos> letschatt: it's build-essential [03:09] <darkheart> OwnageLinux Just right click on a contact's name and choose "Direct IM" [03:09] <tristanmike> Wanderer_ are you set to boot from cd? [03:09] <apokryphos> !info build-essential [03:09] <ubotu> build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 10.1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB [03:09] <LinuxJones> gmoore, that's a good start :0 [03:09] <apokryphos> letschatt: and it's in main [03:09] <OwnageLinux> darkheart there is no direct im option [03:09] <gmoore> LinuxJones: do you think editing /etc/hosts would do? [03:10] <OwnageLinux> wait nvm dark.... thnx [03:10] <letschatt> sorry that's what i used build-essential [03:10] <OwnageLinux> i found it [03:10] <Wanderer_> I didn't have to "set" it to anything. It just automatically read the cd on boot up and loaded the begining. [03:10] <apokryphos> letschatt: and what's the error? [03:10] <kemik> letschatt: then your sources.list is fubar [03:10] <hardw1re> whats the reconfigure command again so then i can reconfigure nvidia when i change my kernel? [03:10] <LinuxJones> gmoore, honestly I have had too many beer :) [03:10] <kemik> !sources.list [03:10] <gmoore> :) [03:10] <ubotu> kemik: No idea [03:10] <kemik> !sources [03:10] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [03:10] <tristanmike> Wanderer_ that could be your problem, in the BIOS, it needs to be set to boot from CD [03:10] <hardw1re> !reconfigure [03:10] <ubotu> hardw1re: Syntax error in line 1 [03:10] <letschatt> E: Package build-essential has no installation candidate [03:11] <hardw1re> :o [03:11] <apokryphos> letschatt: are you on hoary? [03:11] <tristanmike> LinuxJones, is that possible? [03:11] <darkheart> !tell letschatt about repositories [03:11] <benplaut> The page you thought Ben had in store, [03:11] <benplaut> It never was, or is no more- [03:11] <benplaut> Quoth the server, 404! [03:11] <LinuxJones> gmoore, so your behind a router ? [03:11] <Wanderer_> OK...Let me try that right quick... [03:11] <benplaut> that's what my site was needing :P [03:11] <apokryphos> letschatt: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list [03:11] <darkheart> letschatt Try installing the repos from what ubotu sent you. [03:11] <letschatt> apork it's big i do'nt wanna spam [03:11] <BTJustice> I went to this webpage and followed the directions in the first post to get my SB Live! 7.1 24 to work, but the sound is real choppy and scratchy. Do I need to change a setting or something? I use Kubuntu. The webpage is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307 [03:11] <apokryphos> letschatt: hence I said use pastebin :) [03:12] <apokryphos> !paste [03:12] <ubotu> paste is probably please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text [03:12] <regeya> meh. [03:12] <LinuxJones> tristanmike, yeah maybe [03:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is it really bad to get errors in the final stages of setup just before ubuntu boots for the first time? [03:12] <glick> hey i have a single server with 1gig ram and an 800mhz cpu [03:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> when it's downloading things [03:12] <jtan325> more than likely, yes [03:13] <glick> is it ok to put more then one services per machine/ [03:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.< [03:13] <glick> ? [03:13] <glick> generally? [03:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> something about an early file termination [03:13] <darkheart> glick More than one service? [03:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> during the download procces just before ubuntu boots for the first time [03:13] <glick> darkheart, yeah running more than one server [03:13] <fissy> are you running the pentagon or your personal mail server? [03:14] <ubercompuser> good html editor? [03:14] <darkheart> glick What kind of server? [03:14] <glick> like cvs, web, ssh, etc [03:14] <letschatt> i've never used x-chat pokry i've been using linux on and off for 3 years this is my first time full time i also run win 2000 [03:14] <LinuxJones> tristanmike, I think it's more like a whacky setting in the bios, I did an install for my nephew and a bios reset was all that was needed to get a usb mouse working (I dunno what he did but turned off support I guess ) [03:14] <glick> all in one [03:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is there a way to make ubuntu check it's self? [03:14] <darkheart> glick No, that's what Linux is made for =) Running services haha. [03:14] <apokryphos> ubercompuser: best IMO is Quanta+ [03:14] <benplaut> ubercompuser, try bluefish [03:14] <glick> darkheart, yeah but i mean is it generally to run multiple things on one server [03:14] <LinuxJones> ChurcH_of_FoamY, you mena to make sure integrity of it's files and whatnot ? [03:14] <ubercompuser> all i see is just quanta not quanta+ [03:14] <glick> is it a good idea to do so? [03:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea [03:15] <tristanmike> LinuxJones, my friend is haveing virtually the same problem but his screen goes to prompt after the Install Splash Screen, no reboot...I can't figure it out [03:15] <benplaut> ubercompuser, or just use a regular text editor... [03:15] <darkheart> glick Yes, it is no problem to run multiple services. [03:15] <ubercompuser> i would liket something that is dedicate html editor [03:15] <ubercompuser> kinda like dreamweavor [03:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> LinuxJones: yes [03:15] <darkheart> glick Of course, you have to take into account the box you are using and how much service you are providing. [03:16] <jtan325> ChurcH_of_FoamY, bluefish [03:16] <nudnick> anyone looking to help a newb out who is having some hardware compatibility issues with his system? [03:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> bluefish? [03:16] <Edddie> Hey guys, I just got a new HDD and I was wondering what I have to add to /etc/fstab to mount it? [03:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's a customers computer i'm putting ubuntu on [03:16] <glick> darkheart, wouldnt be much, maybe a couple of people 10 max [03:16] <spermie> how do i edit apt? [03:16] <darkheart> glick No problem at all. [03:17] <surfdue_> is there a free graphics program [03:17] <surfdue_> like photoshop [03:17] <surfdue_> for linux [03:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and it's taht box that has errors [03:17] <LinuxJones> ChurcH_of_FoamY, after a fresh install you can install a file integrity checker (aide) then it will go over your system and record md5 checksum's of all your important file that you can check later (via cron job, [mailing your the results] ) to verify your system hasn't been rooted or modified without your permission. [03:17] <darkheart> glick What are the specs on the box? [03:17] <ubercompuser> gimp [03:17] <ubercompuser> surfdue_, gimp [03:17] <zerboxx> I'm trying to install something which requires "btphptorrent.py" but I can't find it on my system, even though I have bittorrent, whats wrong??? [03:17] <surfdue_> how do i make it one window [03:17] <surfdue_> :P [03:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> LinuxJones: ok you have my attention how to do this ^_^ [03:17] <glick> darkheart, 1 gig of ram 850mhz cpu 150gig harddrive space across two disks, [03:17] <ubercompuser> u cant [03:17] <LinuxJones> tristanmike, his video driver is not set correctly [03:18] <ubercompuser> it is designed to only work in mutiple windows. i personally like that [03:18] <BTJustice> I went to this webpage and followed the directions in the first post to get my SB Live! 7.1 24 to work, but the sound is real choppy and scratchy. Do I need to change a setting or something? I use Kubuntu. The webpage is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307 [03:18] <darkheart> glick No problem at all. Overkill in fact =P [03:18] <Edddie> Hey guys, I just got a new HDD and I was wondering what I have to add to /etc/fstab to mount it? [03:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh >.< well needless to say the box is sitting next to me on my work table [03:18] <glick> cause i have so many damn computeres i dont know what to do with, i am selling a couple [03:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i just installed ubuntu and it does have errors [03:18] <glick> cause im moving out of this shithole in 9 months and dont want to lug around 6 computers [03:18] <darkheart> glick Not really overkill, but that would be perfect for everything to run smooth. [03:18] <nudnick> anyone looking to help a newb out who is having some hardware compatibility issues with his system? [03:19] <darkheart> nudnick What's the issue? [03:19] <glick> thanks darkheart [03:19] <darkheart> glick Np. [03:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and for my computer what type of card should i get for a wireless router? 801.11B? [03:20] <nudnick> darkheart. i'm not 100% sure [03:20] <darkheart> ChurcH_of_FoamY What kind of wireless connection does your router provide? =) [03:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i want something that won't give me problems [03:20] <nudnick> thats why i need help :o [03:20] <darkheart> nudnick Okay, what are you trying to do, and what is happening instead? [03:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's a belkin wireless router with 801.11B [03:20] <LinuxJones> ChurcH_of_FoamY, there are good tutorials on aide from google...there is nothing to it really. Update the database after a fresh install , it will spit out a database of your system. Then periodically run a comparison (via cron job) and it will mail the admin a summary of the differnences (if any). Best to search google or check the aide howto. [03:20] <glick> i think you probably want a G wireless card [03:20] <glick> although i have a B [03:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok thanc [03:21] <glick> just dont have the money or desire to buy a new wireless card [03:21] <jtan325> B usually serves the purpose [03:21] <BTJustice> D-Link DWL-G520 is good wireless card [03:21] <glick> get senao [03:21] <darkheart> ChurcH_of_FoamY Make sure you check your router too...See what type it uses. [03:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> does it work out of the box? [03:21] <nudnick> darkheart, will you be around tomorrow? turns out its later than i thought and i need to g [03:21] <nudnick> o [03:21] <glick> i have an engenious card [03:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so the card is dependant on the router type? [03:21] <LinuxJones> tristanmike, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select vesa as the video driver (accept defaults on everyting else) Then issue the command sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart [03:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> glick what kinda card you have? [03:22] <darkheart> nudnick I may or may not (wife gets testy for some reason when I'm on the computer during the weekend =P), but I'm sure someone can help you tomorrow anyway =) [03:22] <BTJustice> Mine did, but I had to do this... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=58168 [03:22] <Wanderer_> TristanMike, It didn't work. [03:22] <glick> ChurcH_of_FoamY, senao/engenious [03:22] <glick> ChurcH_of_FoamY, netgate.net [03:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok and thats a good card? that works outta the box? [03:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> with ubuntu [03:22] <glick> ChurcH_of_FoamY, sorry netgate.com [03:23] <Wanderer_> TristanMike? [03:23] <tristanmike> Wanderer_, ummm, same thing/ [03:23] <ubercompuser> WOOOOT! quanta is better than when i first played around with it. any idot can figure out how to use it with ease [03:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and what should i look for on the router to help me determine what type of card to get? [03:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> besides brand [03:23] <Wanderer_> Google it? [03:23] <tristanmike> LinuxJones, is that at the prompt? [03:24] <ubercompuser> ChurcH_of_FoamY, have you thought about using something like smoothwall,ipcop or redwall??? [03:24] <dimethyl> hey, i am trying to install a special package, and i get this output Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed, how can i get version 1.1.0 ??? [03:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i don't even know what those are >.< [03:24] <tristanmike> Wanderer_, did the samething happen? [03:24] <Wanderer_> Yes. [03:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm still learning linux [03:24] <darkheart> Anyone ever have an issue w/ flash and firefox where some flash pages are half greyed out? [03:25] <dimethyl> anyone know how i can switch to the more experimental packages in my sources.list? [03:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i love it though it's a 100% better than winsux haxp [03:25] <tristanmike> Wanderer_, and you removed the hard drive completly from start up? [03:25] <darkheart> dimethyl I suppose you could add the Breezy repos to your sources.list [03:25] <ubercompuser> ChurcH_of_FoamY, those are firewalls that can be installed on a computer. if you have a spare OLD computer laying around, install it in that and it will be better than any consumer grade firewall!!! [03:25] <Wanderer_> No, I just made it the first thing to boot from. [03:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> sweet [03:26] <dimethyl> thanks darkheart [03:26] <darkheart> If I was going to create a firewall out of an old computer, I think I would run pf on OpenBSD. [03:26] <tristanmike> LinuxJones, that command, reconfigure x-server, is that at the promt he gets? [03:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i might have a box for that but i need the router becuase of the computers on my network [03:26] <ubercompuser> and u cant know nothing about linux and use it easily [03:26] <beekay> can anyone help me with my video card's 3d accel? [03:26] <dfeed> hi all, my system seems to have become confused and is refusing to eject the cd I was playing. Any ideas how I can sort this out without rebooting? [03:26] <beekay> even giving a link would help [03:26] <darkheart> dimethyl Np, but it may not be that simple..You might want to google that..Could break things if you're not careful. [03:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i not only run customers boxes when i build them i also run my own as well [03:26] <ubercompuser> the computer that has in intalled would take place of a router [03:26] <jbull> dfeed: sudo eject /dev/yourcddrive not working? [03:26] <alec> dfeed: when you say eject, do you mean with the gnome menu or with the physical eject button? [03:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how does that work multiple nicks? [03:27] <ubercompuser> all you need is a CHEAP $20 and less switch [03:27] <ubercompuser> what? [03:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how does the box act as a router does it have multiple ethernet cards or something? [03:27] <beekay> can someone help me get my video card's 3d acceleration working? [03:27] <ubercompuser> no [03:27] <beekay> :D [03:27] <dfeed> jbull: thanks, I hadn't realised I needed to run that as root [03:27] <darkheart> alec Wouldn't it be the same issue either way? [03:27] <Edddie> Hey guys, I just got a new HDD and I was wondering what I have to add to /etc/fstab to mount it? [03:27] <ubercompuser> all u need it two [03:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh wow [03:27] <darkheart> beekay What kind of card? [03:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats cool [03:28] <ubercompuser> one goes to the switch and one to the modem [03:28] <Wanderer_> TristanMike? [03:28] <LinuxJones> tristanmike, yes [03:28] <beekay> ati 9600 [03:28] <beekay> mobile [03:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and this can run on my cablemodem as well? [03:28] <darkheart> Edddie You gotta format it first. [03:28] <alec> darkheart: no, because if the filesystem is mounted it probably won't let him eject with the physical button [03:28] <ubercompuser> it should [03:28] <darkheart> !tell beekay about ati [03:28] <ubercompuser> as long as it has ethernet [03:28] <tristanmike> Wanderer_, you removed the hard drive completely from the startup options? [03:28] <darkheart> beekay Read the guide that ubotu sent you [03:28] <ubuntuuser> hi is anyone familiar with installing apache on ubuntu? [03:28] <ubercompuser> does it? [03:28] <beekay> thanks [03:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats awsome although i just bought this router brand new in the box for 10.00 and 5.00 s&h [03:29] <darkheart> alec I suppose you're right if he manually mounted it himself. [03:29] <Wanderer_> TristanMike: No, I just made cd drive the first thing to boot from. [03:29] <ubercompuser> ok.... what type [03:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and the guy on ebay has like 4 of them left [03:29] <Edddie> I did darkheart but I need to add it to /etc/fstab [03:29] <ubercompuser> ( i have a backup router if ipcop goes down) [03:29] <ubercompuser> link? [03:30] <BTJustice> I went to this webpage and followed the directions in the first post to get my SB Live! 7.1 24 to work, but the sound is real choppy and scratchy. Do I need to change a setting or something? I use Kubuntu. The webpage is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307 [03:30] <darkheart> Edddie What fs did you format it on? [03:30] <darkheart> Edddie as* [03:30] <Wanderer_> TristanMike? [03:30] <tristanmike> Wanderer_, take it out all together, and if it works, when you reboot, go back into the BIOS and put it back to the original configuration [03:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i can do better than that i can give you his email addy cause he told me if i wanted more he'd sell them off of ebay ^_^ [03:30] <Wanderer_> OK. I'll give it a try. [03:31] <tristanmike> I gotta step out for a minute [03:31] <dfeed> alec, darkheart: essentially, what happened was that I had one cd playing, which got mounted at some point. changed it to another with no problems, then when I tried to eject that one (in gnome and through the eject command) it wouldn't let me. running eject through sudo worked though. [03:31] <ubercompuser> i dont want one, i just want to see what u bought [03:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok [03:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSAA:US:31&Item=5800139340 [03:31] <darkheart> dfeed You don't mount audio CDs, btw. [03:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_o stupid link is way big >.< [03:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ithink it's a nice router (crosses fingers) [03:32] <dfeed> darkheart: I didn't mean to. Misclicked on the open command in gnome, which seemed to mount it. [03:32] <ubercompuser> NONONONO ChurcH_of_FoamY throw it OUT the window NOW [03:32] <darkheart> dfeed I see...Well, just for future reference anyway =) It won't play if you mount it. [03:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_o why? [03:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is it no good? [03:32] <ubercompuser> i had to rma one and it was broken badily and the replacement had the same problem [03:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_o [03:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh shit [03:33] <Edddie> darkheart: I just want it to work, I think it's fat32 right now, I'll change it later but can I keep it dynamic? [03:33] <ubercompuser> i could write a book about my expirence with it [03:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i don't think the guy has a refund policy >.< [03:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i thought belkin was a good brand? [03:33] <darkheart> Edddie Dynamic? Not sure what you mean. Do you know which device it is? (/dev/something) [03:34] <hardw1re> @reconfigure [03:34] <hardw1re> !reconfigure [03:34] <ubotu> I don't know, hardw1re [03:34] <hardw1re> hmm [03:34] <hardw1re> whats the pkg reconfigure command? [03:34] <Edddie> yes it's /dev/hdb [03:34] <hardw1re> !pkg [03:34] <ubotu> hardw1re: I don't know [03:34] <darkheart> hardw1re dpkg-reconfigure [03:34] <kemik> NFS uses UDP by default? [03:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so that routers pritty much crap? dam it the only thing i could afford >.< [03:34] <hardw1re> so if i change kernel i need to do dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel ? [03:35] <hardw1re> lol [03:35] <hardw1re> belkin?! [03:35] <hardw1re> you bought a belkin product... [03:35] <darkheart> hardw1re Err..that I'm not sure of. But sounds close to the mark. gonna have to reconfigure something =) [03:35] <hardw1re> yeah [03:35] <gmoore> anyone familiar with proftpd+a router? i'm still trying to get it to work. i have the server set to allowforeignaddresses, masqueradeaddress to my ip, and bind to my ip. all needed ports are forwarded, but people who try to connect still get error 425 could not build data connection. what the hell :( [03:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea cause i can't afford to get a better one and i diden't know >.< [03:35] <dubnium> i have a few shitty belkin peripreals [03:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> right now i have a d-link di-604 router [03:36] <ubercompuser> it has locked up many of times, it has make computers dissapear on the network, wont give me a ip address some times, it would have WEAK attennas, signal would fluxiuate from high to drop, running as a AP is useless , it is hard to change back to factory settings and most of the times is would not allow for me to login like it would say there was a duplicate admin or wrong password. i would sometimes set the password as 1 and i [03:36] <ubercompuser> would log back on and it would forget that password. [03:36] <svizzero> anyone knows how to solve the following eclipse/sun jdk error: [03:36] <svizzero> Activation.main: warning: sun.rmi.activation.execPolicy system [03:36] <svizzero> property unspecified and no ExecPermissions/ExecOptionPermissions [03:36] <svizzero> granted; subsequent activation attempts may fail due to unsuccessful [03:36] <svizzero> ExecPermission/ExecOptionPermission permission checks. For [03:36] <darkheart> gmoore Honestly, you'd be better asking that in #proftpd [03:36] <svizzero> documentation on how to configure rmid security, refer to: ? [03:36] <gmoore> darkheart: noone is there :) [03:36] <ubercompuser> sry bouth the long post [03:36] <darkheart> svizzero Don't paste in the channel [03:36] <darkheart> gmoore Oh =) [03:36] <hardw1re> we're using a BT Voyager 240 Router/Modem [03:36] <svizzero> sry [03:37] <biscuit_> I finally got my internal audio card to work! [03:37] <darkheart> svizzero Np, next time use #flood or pastebin [03:37] <svizzero> ok [03:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> man i can't beleve this whats so bad about belkin i got it becuase the advertisement said it was linux compatable [03:37] <hardw1re> bbiab [03:37] <dubnium> anyone know much about bluez (bluetooth) packages? theres an install conflict with bluez-sdp and bluez-utils [03:37] <ubercompuser> ChurcH_of_FoamY, i have a di-604 as a backup under my bed. it has been flawless. HIGHLY recommended [03:37] <darkheart> gmoore Which ports are you using? [03:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.< the port forwarding is shot on it [03:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats why i'm getting a new one [03:38] <gmoore> darkheart 4096 and it's forwarded by my router [03:38] <ubercompuser> on it di? [03:38] <biscuit_> Does anyone use Linuxant? [03:38] <darkheart> gmoore and you're not running a firewall on your box correct? [03:38] <ubercompuser> have u set the box to factory defaults? [03:38] <dfeed> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I'm still bitter at belkin from having to compile random drivers to get my wireless card working. [03:38] <gmoore> darkheart: fresh ubuntu install so i don't think so [03:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> do you have to use there cards with the router or can i mix and match? [03:39] <ubercompuser> mix and match [03:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> like the router and oh say a d-link wireless card [03:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok cool [03:39] <gmoore> darkheart: im on a network and this computer (winxp) can connect to the ubuntu ftp server both internally (192.168.x.x) and externally (24.x.x.x) so the server works... it's just some port stupidity. [03:39] <ubercompuser> when i did have a wireless network i have two linksys cards. [03:39] <svizzero> e : Eclipse project http://www.eclipse.org - latest stable release: 3.1.0; latest development release: 3.2 M1 [03:39] <svizzero> * Argomento per #eclipse scelto da vektor il Sun Aug 14 18:06:54 2005 [03:39] <svizzero> svizzero svizzero anyone knows how to solve the following eclipse/sun jdk error: Activation.main: warning: sun.rmi.activation.execPolicy system property unspecified...? [03:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nice [03:40] <beekay> thank you very much for that ati fix [03:40] <ubercompuser> i trust wired networks over wireless [03:40] <beekay> how come so many people complain about it if its that easy to fix [03:40] <darkheart> gmoore Okay, this is what I get: 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection [03:40] <ubercompuser> but u cant give the belkin a go if u dare? [03:41] <gmoore> darkheart are you sure you used the right port? its not running on 21 [03:41] <darkheart> beekay You got it working? =) that's good. People have different setups and get different problems. [03:41] <darkheart> gmoore LoL sorry, my mistake. [03:41] <beekay> ah [03:41] <biscuit__> Does anyone use Linuxant? [03:41] <beekay> yes it was so simple [03:41] <beekay> thank you [03:41] <beekay> that was great [03:42] <reiki> anyone else have Spamassassin working with Evolution? It's kinda slow. Wondering if anyone's found a way to speed it up. [03:42] <darkheart> beekay Glad you got it working. [03:42] <Wanderer_> It still didn't work, TristanMike. [03:42] <ubercompuser> i swore off belkin network products FOREVER, but there other products are great [03:42] <darkheart> reiki SpamAssassin can take a bit of resource...Do you know how it is called? [03:42] <Ice9> alright, who can help me with my ati radeon 9250 problem? I've tried just about everything to get 3d acceleration working [03:42] <dubnium> i only bought belkin stuff cause it was cheap... you get what u pay for [03:42] <reiki> darkheart: : I know how *I'm* calling it. Not sure I understand your question [03:43] <ubercompuser> yep [03:43] <darkheart> reiki How are you calling it then? [03:43] <biscuit__> Do USB modems work well with linux? [03:43] <darkheart> gmoore I'm getting that build data connection error. [03:43] <ubercompuser> i bought 50ft of belkin ehternet cable and it couldnt be better. but wireless is a different subject [03:43] <gmoore> darkheart: horror :( [03:43] <ubercompuser> use ethernet if you can [03:43] <reiki> darkheart: I'm piping incoming messages (using a filter in Evolution) through /usr/bin/spamassassin -P -e --local [03:44] <Wanderer_> TristanMike? [03:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> well i found a really good review website for this router and i'm reading it now [03:45] <darkheart> gmoore Hmm...I recall ftp requiring another 'data' port...I think that's what's being blocked. Typically you connect on 21 and the data connection is on 22 [03:45] <ubercompuser> well like i said u can give it a spin and see how it works for you. [03:45] <gmoore> oh god i just checked castaglia's guide [03:45] <Wanderer_> tristanmike? [03:45] <gmoore> it seems i've done everything right except this step: [03:45] <gmoore> "However, one big problem still exists. The passive FTP connections will use ports from 1024 and up, which means that you must forward all ports 1024-65535 from the NAT to the FTP server! " [03:45] <gmoore> that would probably be the cause of my problems. :O [03:45] <darkheart> gmoore LoL...Don't use PASV then, use PORT> [03:46] <darkheart> reiki By slow...how slow is that? [03:46] <darkheart> reiki Or..how slow is slow? [03:46] <biscuit__> 56k is just a tiny bit slow (Being sarcastic) [03:46] <darkheart> reiki Are you attached to Evolution? [03:46] <reiki> darkheart: takes about 2 or 3 seconds per email when I hit my pop server [03:47] <guto> is there any guy here that has a v2311us laptop? [03:47] <darkheart> reiki That sounds right, depending on how SpamAssassin is check it for spam. Are you using network tests? [03:47] <gmoore> oh god, darkheart i think i may have fixed it. can you try reconnecting? [03:47] <reiki> darkheart: define "attached" to Evolution please [03:47] <biscuit__> guto: Why do you ask [03:47] <darkheart> gmoore Sure thing. [03:47] <reiki> darkheart: it didn't seem to make a difference adding the --local parm. I thought that would tell it to stay local and not go network [03:47] <guto> i am trying to get my broadcom wireless card working [03:48] <darkheart> gmoore I get a "500 Illegal PORT command, ftp: bind: Address already in use", but it's a step forward =) different error. [03:48] <reiki> darkheart: so I'm thinking it's that slow just using --local which it's SUPPOSED to do by default if available [03:48] <gmoore> darkheart: okay i think i just fixed that as well :) one more reconnec [03:48] <guto> biscuit_, do you have one? [03:49] <darkheart> reiki No, that's not the correct switch to disable network tests, I don't think. [03:49] <Wanderer_> TRISTAN MIKE! [03:49] <reiki> darkheart: but at least it's working... which seems to be a giant step forward. And very simple to implement [03:49] <felesh> hi [03:49] <darkheart> gmoore LoL, that actually put it back to step 1, error 425 [03:49] <gmoore> argh [03:49] <gmoore> try pasv? [03:49] <felesh> i have read in the list of ubuntu that breezy is stable? is true? why in the official web not say nothing [03:49] <darkheart> gmoore Keep trying, you are getting there. [03:50] <yath> felesh: I had troubles installing breezy. [03:50] <reiki> -L, --local Local tests only (no online tests) [03:50] <felesh> yath, what problems? [03:50] <yath> felesh: it's possible that it will work, but it isn't as stable as 5.04 by any means [03:50] <reiki> ^^^ from the man pages for spamassassin [03:50] <darkheart> gmoore Btw, try googling for that error and seeing what other people have to say. Might offer some valuable insight. [03:50] <gmoore> darkheart: i've tried, most of the fixes i've tried haven't done anything ;( [03:51] <Wanderer_> Does anyone know where Mike went? [03:51] <yath> felesh: my particular problem was that I have 2 network adapters on this system, and only one would work, and I chose that one, and then breezy decided to swap them, and so tried to use the inoperative one and couldn't finish. [03:51] <felesh> yath, but is a release candidate or a finished version? [03:52] <reiki> darkheart: so the parms are ... -P (pipe output rather than deliver it), -e (throw an error), and --local (don't do network tests) [03:52] <yath> felesh: I don't think that breezy has either of those things. Just test releases. [03:52] <reiki> darkheart: or at least that's my understanding thus far [03:52] <yath> felesh: This was with Colony 3. [03:52] <darkheart> reiki Yeah, that should be correct then...But you might try running spamd and then calling spamc with those switches. [03:53] <felesh> yath, and why is named colony 3 if is named breezy? [03:53] <Wanderer_> I repeat, does anyone know where Tristan Mike went? [03:53] <yath> felesh: I don't know, maybe normal folks would call it "alpha 3" :) [03:53] <felesh> yath, hahaha [03:53] <reiki> darkheart: ok... run spamd by enabling spamassassin start on boot? and then replace spamc instead of /usr/bin/spamassassin ? [03:53] <darkheart> gmoore Let's start from an easier step, just set the ftp server up for default ports and see if we can connect from there. [03:53] <pobstil> how can I set up a user, that can _only_ access his home folder, and nothing else? [03:54] <felesh> shazan25, has you read this? breezy cause problems yet :) [03:54] <darkheart> reiki Well, don't load it at boot yet, just try running spamd, then using spamc instead of spamassassin [03:54] <gmoore> darkheart: okay, i got PASV working. i just don't think i'll get port working :( [03:55] <reiki> darkheart: ok... reading man pages for spamc to get parms right... [03:55] <darkheart> gmoore Still getting 425 error. [03:55] <gmoore> darkheart: port or pasv? [03:55] <darkheart> gmoore Err..looked like port actually [03:55] <gmoore> pasv SHOULD work now [03:56] <darkheart> gmoore Alright, it works on pasv. [03:56] <gmoore> okay, at least i have a functioning ftp for now :) [03:56] <darkheart> gmoore =) [03:57] <gmoore> could you also try logging in using other methods besides ftp to make sure that user is secure? im new to both linux and ubuntu and probably shouldnt be trying this at all :) [03:57] <kaz> does anyone know how to make a downloaded picture file a background file for enlightenment 17 [03:57] <benplaut> hello [03:57] <benplaut> ? [03:57] <boxerboy> hi everyone i hear that theres a ubuntu version 6 comming out is that breezy or is that ubuntu? [03:57] <LinuxJones> boxerboy, breezy is in october [03:58] <pobstil> how can I set up a user, that can _only_ access his home folder, and nothing else? [03:58] <darkheart> reiki Btw, I asked you earlier if you were stuck on Evolution because the typical way to use spamassassin is to use an MTA that has a spamassassin filter plugged in. It is more difficult to set up though, and mail will be delivered locally on your system after fetching it from a remote host. [03:58] <darkheart> pobstil Why would you want to do that? [03:58] <kaz> does anyone here use enlightenment inside ubuntu [03:58] <darkheart> kaz e16 or 17? [03:58] <kaz> 17 [03:58] <darkheart> kaz I have used it before. [03:58] <reiki> darkheart: right now I'm actually shooting for simplicity. Most desktop users won't set up an MTA or know how. [03:59] <pobstil> so I can have my mates connect to my ubnutu server and so I can host their website. But I don't want them to access anything else other than whats theres [03:59] <gmoore> darkheart: can you try port again? :) last time hopefully (even if it doesnt work ill stop bugging you ;) ) [03:59] <kaz> ok I need to know how to take a picture I downloaded and make it my background. I guess things don't work the same in 17 [04:00] <darkheart> reiki Okay, then you might have to live with that bit of slowness...See, the thing is, I *think* the spamassassin file itself is a perl script (you can check), and hence it's a bit slower to run. The spamd and spamc binaries are compiled C. [04:00] <pobstil> darkheart: so I can have my mates connect to my ubnutu server and so I can host their website. But I don't want them to access anything else other than whats theres [04:00] <darkheart> kaz No, things are completely different than previous versions. You really need to read to use e17 in its current state. What you need, you can find at http://get-e.org/ [04:01] <boxerboy> i saw a site of desktop themes but they are pics with whoever took the screen shot had other things on it so i guess i leave xfce alone? [04:01] <kaz> thank you.....I have it all almost setup completely I just really like my own backdrops [04:01] <GrYpHoN> I need some advice. I am majorly new ti linux. I have my broadcomm wireless found and loaded the driver using ndiswrapper, but it dosent show in the network area as a network device. ANy input would be appreciated. Im LOST! lol [04:02] <darkheart> pobstil Well, I know what you are thinking, but that kind of undermines a Linux system. Usually people aren't locked into a directory (chroot), because they can't really do any damage if the system has proper permissions. [04:02] <reiki> darkheart: using sudo /usr/bin/spamc -c -e and it's about 5 to 7 seconds per email. This wouldn't b good for anyone who pulls 100 email in a shot [04:02] <jtan325> Gryphon, what does "iwconfig" show [04:02] <gmoore> a [04:02] <GrYpHoN> Only my loopback [04:02] <darkheart> reiki There's no switch to use only local tests? [04:02] <reiki> darkheart: not for spamc that I can find [04:03] <LinuxJones> GrYpHoN, I wish I could help but I don't have a wireless card...have you searched the wiki page there is a howto for wireless users [04:03] <berny> Hello is true the lauch of the New Ubuntu 5.10 stable version? [04:03] <pobstil> darkheart, but it would stop my mates from looking at what is in all the other directories, even though they wouldn't. is it possible though? [04:03] <darkheart> gmoore Trying port, sorry for the delay [04:03] <GrYpHoN> I did not know... Thanks mate. I will check it out [04:03] <reiki> darkheart: I'm going to try adding the --local switch to spamc and see if it has an effect [04:04] <reiki> course now I'll have to wait for more mail :) [04:04] <darkheart> pobstil It is possible, I believe you are looking to chroot your users. I can't help you specifically, though since I don't know myself...Try googling 'chrooting shell users' or something like that. [04:04] <darkheart> gmoore Still 425 for port [04:04] <pobstil> darkheard, ok thanks [04:04] <gmoore> darkheart: okay, ill just leave it for tonight i guess. thanks for your help! [04:04] <LinuxJones> GrYpHoN, GL and don't give up ... come back tomorrow if you need help :) [04:05] <darkheart> reiki Okay. If that doesn't help, you may just be SOL for spamassassin. I'm a network engineer and I use it at work to filter out spam in a corporate environment, but on dedicated mail gateways. [04:05] <reiki> darkheart: and an interesting observation... it appears that Evolution runs its junk filter BEFORE processing other filters. So I get messages in Junk folder AND SPam folder [04:05] <darkheart> gmoore =) Okay, hope you get it working the way you want. [04:06] <Ice9> alright, who can help me with my ati radeon 9250 problem? I've tried just about everything to get 3d acceleration working [04:06] <darkheart> reiki You seem like a fellow that does read up on things, so I'm just asking this just in case, but have you tried googling about spamassassin/evolution/slow filtering? [04:07] <felesh> One question, the Colony 3 is the breezy stable??? or the development brach of Breezy???? [04:07] <reiki> darkheart: yeah and everyone that gets this working seems to have the same problem and I've not found a solution [04:07] <reiki> darkheart: but they were using a fetchmail procmail setup. I thought this might be faster because it was simpler. :) [04:08] <darkheart> reiki Wow, that should actually be faster...I mean, the delay will be there but if you have an automated fetchmail to get your mail then procmail to filter it, it should be ready and waiting for you in general. [04:09] <D1> how do I install NetworkManager on Breezy (Colony3 live cd)? [04:09] <reiki> darkheart: yeah, but that goes against the "simplicity" aspect. I like Ubuntu and what it's offering. The idea of a simple-to-install, non-MS desktop is exciting to me. HAving to make users set up an MTA or fetchmail procmail is too complicated [04:11] <jorgp> anyone get transcode w/ breezy installed? [04:11] <dubnium> therees gones my damn belkin dropping my connection... twice today [04:11] <darkheart> reiki Right, I understand what you meant earlier and like I said, you may just be stuck with that delay if you can't find a different method to filter spam. [04:11] <QMario> Hello bob2! :) [04:13] <tristanmike> LinuxJones, that didn't work, nothing changed, still loads and goes through a bunch of lines of text to fast to see with the last line being "PS/2 mouse device common for all mice" [04:13] <tristanmike> LinuxJones, the Live CD does the same thing for him too [04:14] <MrPockets> whats the deal i need to play some games in Ubuntu? [04:16] <pmazer> anyone know of a way to stream music from a mac with itunes through a linux box and out speakers? [04:16] <ORiON> daapclient? [04:17] <ORiON> pmazer: I think vlc supports daap [04:17] <glick> MrPockets, thre are generally crappy games for linux [04:18] <MrPockets> i have a duel boot going, so im not worried about it, but i know Enemy Teratory has linux versions [04:18] <glick> i dont miss the games that much [04:18] <glick> since i mainly use my computer for work and such [04:18] <glick> listening to music [04:18] <glick> watchin movies [04:19] <MrPockets> yeah, im on this damn box 23/7 [04:19] <pmazer> what's the deb package called for daap? [04:19] <nickrud> frozen bubble is nice for stress relief [04:19] <DonL> I downloaded a demo of UT2004 and I can't get too far in that, so I'm happy [04:19] <ORiON> theres always americas army too [04:19] <MrPockets> still clueless on the Bittorrent too, so i use windows to DL my media [04:19] <liraz> My OO2 fonts are ultra-ugly, OO2 seems to have set up it's own font rendering thing... all the same fonts like Arial are perfect in the original OpenOffice but in the second one I cant get it the same. [04:20] <MrPockets> speaking of, do you know what the plug in is that allows XMMS to play vids? [04:20] <liraz> Any ideas why?.. I am forced to use OO2 for compatiblity reasons with a foreign language [04:20] <oceandead> bittorrent is just as easy on ubuntu as it is windoze [04:20] <MrPockets> i dont use bittorrent in windows :-p [04:20] <ORiON> MrPockets: http://thegraveyard.org/xmmplayer.php [04:20] <oceandead> well theres lame, amule etc etc for p2p [04:21] <MrPockets> thanks [04:21] <Ice9> alright, who can help me with my ati radeon 9250 problem? I've tried just about everything to get 3d acceleration working [04:21] <DonL> Ice9, sorry. I use NVidia [04:21] <glick> i wonder what kina OS and hardware God runs to manage creation [04:21] <alxarch> me too on a x600 mobility [04:21] <nickrud> 6502, most likely\ [04:22] <MrPockets> and last, do you know where i can download custom Icons, not themes but just single icons? [04:22] <pmazer> ORiON, how do i go about setting this up? [04:22] <ORiON> MrPockets: might be something a bit more up to date here: http://www.xmms.org/plugins.php?category=input [04:23] <MrPockets> i got the first one and deleted it already, no idea how to install it [04:23] <D1> how can I get networkmanager on breezy? Can anyone help me? [04:23] <ORiON> pmazer: setting what up? [04:23] <D1> its not in synaptic [04:23] <pmazer> ORiON, daap [04:24] <indie> how can I download wine from synaptic, the site doesn't explain it all to well. [04:25] <liraz> Welll does anyone know what to do about the Openoffice 2 fonts? [04:25] <oceandead> upgrading to breezy is an interesting experience [04:26] <ORiON> pmazer: I thought you were streaming FROM a mac TO linux, there shouldn't be much setup in linux as long as you've got dnssd setup [04:26] <jmn_ubuntu> guys im a bit of a noob im trying to use cfdisk on unbuntu live and i fatal error cannot open disk drive [04:26] <jmn_ubuntu> can someone help [04:26] <nickrud> are we doing breezy questions now? If so, anyone got a link to start working with beagle? [04:26] <ORiON> aka zeroconf [04:27] <tristanmike> LinuxJones, excuse me, are you still around? [04:27] <abyss> lo exists anyway to hear internet radios? [04:27] <oceandead> did you unmount the drive [04:27] <oceandead> i thought zerconf wasnt gonna be ready for a while [04:28] <jmn_ubuntu> well as far as i can see its not mounted @ all theres no hdd icon on the desktop or in the system menu [04:29] <QMario> Hello thoreauputic! :) [04:29] <oceandead> im definitely gonna have to do a fresh install of breezy ... cant see any text in firefox [04:30] <thoreauputic> QMario: hi [04:31] <benjamin1254> hey guys sup im havin issues with mozilla firefox it doesent wana start [04:31] <vitriol> anybody know a fix for the breezy 2.6.12 kernel saying that the / partition doesn't exist? [04:31] <QMario> !Botsnack [04:31] <ubotu> thanks qmario :) [04:31] <pobstil> anyone know how to chroot a user? [04:32] <vitriol> pobstil: as that user do 'chroot /path/to/place/you/want/to/chroot /bin/bash' [04:32] <vitriol> i think [04:33] <pobstil> ok I'll try that [04:33] <MrCroup> pobstil: do you mean put the user in a chrooted jail on login ? [04:33] <pobstil> yup [04:33] <vitriol> benjamin1254: i would answer you if i knew...did you try ps x | grep firefox then kill the pid if running? [04:33] <MrCroup> then its a bit more complicated that just using the chroot command [04:33] <benplaut> benjamin1254, "sudo killall firefox-bin", then try again [04:33] <FR500> hello [04:33] <vitriol> benjamin1254: thats a long shot that i don't know if it'll help [04:33] <jmn_ubuntu> should i need any extra boot parameters to have unbuntu mount my hdd it doesnt seem to want to [04:34] <pobstil> I thought so, the chroot command doesn't work as the user I want to chroot.. [04:34] <benjamin1254> nope i just start on my user account start it up then it blanks out and doesent show up ... plz speek in newbish words cuz i dident understand a word of what u asked [04:34] <vitriol> so...anybody know what the deal is with the breezy 2.6.12 kernel not recognizing the root partition?? [04:34] <vitriol> benjamin1254: sorry :) [04:34] <FR500> i have a cell phone, from the company, it's a crappy kyocera rave, it has this USB cable that allows me to surf internet from the pc, but i don't know how to make it work in linux [04:34] <MrCroup> pobstil: there should be a chroot jail howto and some scripts to assist setting oneup [04:34] <FR500> any idear? [04:34] <vitriol> benjamin1254: here's another idea: you can delete your firefox profile [04:34] <MrCroup> pobstil: I just don't have them handy [04:34] <vitriol> benjamin1254: to do that, on a command prompt do 'rm -rf .firefox*' [04:35] <pobstil> do you think you could find them for me? or point me where to look? [04:35] <vitriol> i think it's .firefox [04:35] <flugh> or .mozilla-firefox [04:35] <vitriol> if not that, it will be something like .mozilla [04:35] <vitriol> yeah [04:35] <MrCroup> pobstil: google? [04:35] <FR500> benjamin1254: first try killall firefox-bin [04:35] <MrCroup> pobstil: verily google is your friend [04:35] <vitriol> benjamin1254: your firefox profile could have somehow got garbled [04:35] <pobstil> haha true that [04:35] <QMario> Are you guys already using Breezy Ubuntu? [04:35] <ORiON> QMario: I am [04:35] <vitriol> QMario: i'm trying to [04:36] <vitriol> can't get the kernel to see my root fs :( [04:36] <flugh> I'm waiting for Sleezy [04:36] <glick> Ubuntu should claim on its website that its the only linux distro officially supported by Jesus himself! a lot more people would start using it [04:36] <vitriol> so have to use 2.6.11 [04:36] <QMario> ORiON, where can I see screenshots of Breezy? [04:36] <glick> flugh, that would be a great name [04:36] <ORiON> QMario: http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/ [04:36] <glick> whats this naming after animals crap thats boring [04:36] <ORiON> QMario: that's all it is, gnome 2.12 [04:36] <glick> ubuntu sleezy slut [04:37] <glick> that would be hot [04:37] <glick> hehe [04:37] <EnsignRedshirt> Hello, world. [04:37] <flugh> glick: i'd follow up with a super-secure version code-named 'whore' [04:37] <glick> heh [04:37] <flugh> you know, just cause it'd be 1337 ;) [04:37] <vitriol> i would search the forums over my problem if i could get x working [04:37] <ORiON> QMario: there have been a few threads withSSs in the forums too [04:37] <vitriol> i was counting on that kernel upgrade though [04:37] <[[c0rrupt] ] > the bees are buzzing in the tree to make some honey just for me. [04:38] <EnsignRedshirt> Has anyone used a program like photopc to talk to a digital camera with a USB interface? [04:38] <ORiON> vitriol: lynx is your friend when things go wrong [04:38] <flugh> vitriol: lynx, or telnet google.com:80 ;) [04:39] <EnsignRedshirt> I get an error "Cannot claim the USB device" [04:39] <ksmurf> Is anyone that is use breezy have the nvidia drivers working? I need help [04:39] <ORiON> ksmurf: yeah, what's wrong? [04:39] <vitriol> lol [04:39] <vitriol> true i should've thought of that [04:39] <ksmurf> ORioN I can't get them working [04:40] <ORiON> vitriol: by the way, are your drivers ok ? :P [04:40] <benjamin1254> should i just kill firefox an reinstall it? [04:40] <glick> flugh, what about the shaved beaver release [04:40] <ORiON> ksmurf: that doesn't help much, what kind of errors is X spitting uot? [04:40] <ORiON> out* [04:40] <flugh> glick: delayed due to the olsen twins growing up too fast [04:41] <glick> heh, [04:41] <[[c0rrupt] ] > Lol [04:41] <ksmurf> ORioN I just clean installed Colony3 of breezy because my xorg had a FATAL on the nvidia Driver [04:41] <glick> god i hate the olsen twins, their fugly trolls their not hot at all i dont see why everyone is like oooooh the olson twins makeme so horny [04:41] <[[c0rrupt] ] > lmfao [04:41] <[[c0rrupt] ] > ga [04:41] <[[c0rrupt] ] > y [04:42] <FR500> i get a problem updating my repositories: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/main/source/Sources.gz: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) [04:42] <ksmurf> ORioN So I'm looking at do the nvidia-glx package if I can [04:43] <jmn_ubuntu> what is root pwd fer ubuntu live (hoary) [04:43] <ksmurf> root [04:43] <jmn_ubuntu> tried that [04:43] <ksmurf> sudo [04:43] <ORiON> ksmurf: Ok, so have you installed the restricted nvidia module? [04:43] <ksmurf> Orion Yes [04:43] <jmn_ubuntu> still not working [04:43] <cyphase> does anyone know if breezy is going to support more drivers through ndiswrapper? [04:43] <thoreauputic> jmn_ubuntu: just open the root terminal [04:44] <Styx> How do I install Java support for Firefox? [04:44] <thoreauputic> !java [04:44] <ubotu> java is, like, to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [04:44] <glick> does anyone here like coding in java [04:44] <glick> am i the only one that hates it? [04:44] <FR500> any repos were i can get the latest "mergeant2? [04:44] <Quest-Master> Most people here prefer Python [04:44] <FR500> *mergeant [04:45] <glick> i talked to a CE collegue of mine and he was ramblin and raving about how fantastic java is [04:45] <ORiON> ksmurf: and the module is loaded? [04:45] <glick> i wanted to back hand him one [04:45] <pobstil> MrCroup: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575&highlight=chroot+jail is that what we're talking about? [04:45] <cyphase> Python is great [04:46] <MrCroup> pobstil: yeah that looks like it [04:47] <str8edge> thoreauputic: how's it going? [04:47] <pobstil> cool thanks [04:47] <thoreauputic> str8edge: OK - I had some bad news about the death of an old family friend yesterday so I'm not 100% [04:48] <str8edge> thoreauputic: my condolences. [04:48] <ksmurf> how would I install the module? Modprobe? [04:48] <str8edge> the #dashboard channel on gimpnet is rocking tonight! [04:48] <QMario> Is the Sempron64 a good processor? [04:48] <ORiON> ksmurf: lsmod to make sure its loaded, if not modprobe nvidia [04:49] <ksmurf> FATAL: Module nvidia not found. [04:49] <ksmurf> I have to install it first do I not? [04:49] <ORiON> ksmurf: then you don't have it installed [04:49] <ksmurf> Correct [04:49] <thoreauputic> str8edge: thanks [04:50] <ORiON> ksmurf: apt-get install linux-restricted-modules [04:50] <ORiON> ksmurf: you'll need to choose the right one for your arch [04:51] <ksmurf> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-7-686-smp is what I have istalled [04:51] <QMario> Is the Sempron64 a "good" processor? [04:51] <[[c0rrupt] ] > nien [04:52] <QMario> Sorry for asking "twice". :-[ [04:52] <str8edge> qmario: if you can afford the extra $$ for a true amd64, go that way. [04:52] <EnsignRedshirt> Any USB gurus here? I'm trying to talk to a digital camera. [04:52] <MrCroup> QMario: its evil [04:52] <QMario> Hee hee hee. [04:52] <[[c0rrupt] ] > [04:52] <Ice9> how can I get my usb gamepad to work? [04:52] <QMario> MrCroup, how? [04:52] <ksmurf> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-7-686-smp is already the newest version [04:53] <ORiON> ksmurf: have you updated your kernel recently? [04:53] <ORiON> ksmurf: without rebooting? [04:53] <user1> anyone using ubuntu on an HP pavilion with the intel 2200 wifi chipset? [04:53] <ORiON> ksmurf: make sure you have nvidia-kernel-common as well [04:53] <ksmurf> No. This Is a Fresh Breezy Install [04:53] <ksmurf> I do [04:54] <ksmurf> My kerrnal is 2.6.12-7 [04:54] <ksmurf> amp [04:54] <ksmurf> smp [04:56] <ksmurf> ORiON http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/341344 [04:56] <freedomjazzdance> Good night! [04:56] <zerboxx> If I'm using one program to download torrents, and I want to switch, is it possible to resume the downloads but change programs? [04:57] <QMario> Freedomjazzdance, good night! [04:57] <QMario> Sleep tight. [04:57] <glick> wow ubuntu is still #1 on distro watch all the other distros are losing to it [04:57] <QMario> Don't let the Windows' viruses bite! ;) [04:57] <freedomjazzdance> QMario, heehh dont worry i'm using protection [04:58] <FR500> any repos were i can get the latest "mergeant? [04:58] <BTJustice> Might anyone be able to help me fix a problem with my SB Live! 24 bit sound card? I have sound but it is real scratchy and jumpy. [05:00] <bluefoxicy> yawn,. [05:00] <bz0b> can someone tell me where to get some good sources? [05:00] <bz0b> for my sources.list file [05:00] <QMario> Bluefoxicy, are you "tired"? [05:00] <QMario> !sources [05:00] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [05:01] <bluefoxicy> QMario: bored, deciding if I should put part of my paper on the ubuntu wiki and try to hijack community members and developers to do my dirty work. [05:01] <QMario> Ubotu, tell bz0b about sources. [05:01] <bluefoxicy> QMario: want to make a small backend technology to let applications deliver simple messages to the user [05:01] <QMario> Bluefoxicy, are you being "sarcastic"? :( [05:02] <bluefoxicy> QMario: the major use of course is to bring up security concerns, i.e. explain encrypting e-mail, automatic updates, SPF verification for spoofed e-mails, anti-spoofing bars. . . [05:02] <pjw> Hi all, Can I download the ubuntu with sources? Where are sources? I just found binary files :( [05:02] <bluefoxicy> QMario: nah. [05:03] <QMario> Ubotu, tell pjw about sources. [05:03] <thoreauputic> pjw: of course - look in /etc/apt/sources.list and you'll see "src" lines there [05:03] <i4> hello shentu [05:04] <metis> is anyone familiar with setting up creloaded? [05:04] <kevin06> Is there a simple solution to installing TrueType fonts on Ubuntu? I used the ttmkdir thing that I found a tutorial for, but IO keep getting a segmentation fault. Has anyone written a drag-and grop font solution yet? [05:04] <shentu> anybody knows how to avoid into the Gnome GUI after reboot? [05:04] <thoreauputic> pjw: source is available for all packages in main and universe at least [05:04] <thoreauputic> shentu: permanently ? [05:04] <nickrud> kevin06, just drop any ttf font in $HOME/.fonts, and it should be available for most apps [05:04] <GatoLoko^> ( Computer Stats ) [ CPU Model: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processo Speed: 451.064 MHz Cache: 64 KB ] | RAM Usage: 79/384M [|||||||||||] ( 20.6% ) | [ HD Model: Maxtor 86480D6 Size: 5G with 3G Free ( 60.0% ) ] | Number of process: 59 [05:05] <GatoLoko^> y tu te quejas de tu equipo [05:05] <GatoLoko^> xP [05:05] <BTJustice> Might anyone be able to help me fix a problem with my SB Live! 24 bit sound card? I have sound but it is real scratchy and jumpy. [05:05] <GatoLoko^> ups [05:05] <bluefoxicy> QMario: eh, I'll make a wiki, someone will delete it if it's ugly :P [05:05] <metis> can anyone help me with sendmail? [05:05] <kevin06> nickrud, I don't have .fonts. Do I merely have to create it? [05:05] <nickrud> kevin06, yes [05:06] <shentu> hi thoreauputic, not permanently, but I would like to have this option. In fedora, if I set the runlevel to 3 in /etc/inittab, that will be fine [05:06] <metis> sry i meant postfix [05:06] <nickrud> that ttmkfdir whatever, is very obsolete [05:06] <benplaut> how do i (non-GUIly) install mouse cursors? [05:07] <[[c0rrupt] ] > apt-get install windoz [05:07] <thoreauputic> shentu: you can either do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop ,, or edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager and comment out the /usr/bin/gdm [05:07] <tristanmike> BTJustice, check out this thread and see if it helps....http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307&highlight=sound+blaster+24bit [05:07] <Flonne> BTJustice, ALSA 1.0.8, which shipped with Hoary, introduced primitive support for those cards in the form of the snd-ca0106 module. ALSA is now up to 1.0.9b, so hopefully, Breezy will improve support. [05:07] <shentu> thoreauputic, many thanks! [05:07] <thoreauputic> shentu: no problem :) [05:08] <glick> wow ubuntu is still #1 on distro watch all the other distros are losing to it [05:08] <glick> sorry [05:08] <glick> wrong active window [05:09] <juanej> hey, how do i go back to metacity... I was using openbox [05:09] <pjw> thoreauputic: but, i would like to download distribution with all sources and to have in a DVD disk, Is any file (.tar.gz) with all sources? English language isn't my first language, so I can make some mistakes in sentences :P [05:09] <kevin06> One more question. When I have a LOT of fonts,. I have been told it slows the system down. Is this true, and is there any simple way to reduce this slow-down? [05:09] <Flonne> juanej metacity --replace, just like how you switched to Openbox. Or logout. [05:10] <thoreauputic> pjw: hmm - packages.ubuntu.com , or archive.ubuntu.com [05:10] <nickrud> I've been told it slows down the X startup only, but have no benchmarks [05:10] <juanej> Flonne: but i do that and then next time i log in nautilius doesnt load [05:10] <juanej> i have to open it to see the background [05:10] <thoreauputic> pjw: the packages are on the archive site [05:10] <str8edge> pwj: head over to the debian site, and look up how to set up a mirror, then use something to burn it to a dvd [05:11] <str8edge> the debian method for setting up a local mirror applies well to ubuntu. [05:11] <Flonne> juanej, did you change to Openbox entirely? (Like, did you change from Gnome?) [05:11] <juanej> Flonne: i edited .xinitrc to load openbox when i logged in [05:12] <[[c0rrupt] ] > when i apt-get update [05:12] <[[c0rrupt] ] > The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/httpu could not be found. [05:12] <pjw> thank you all [05:12] <Flonne> juanej, have you tried simply moving .xinitrc? [05:12] <juanej> i remove it, but it doesnt seem to work [05:13] <str8edge> pwj: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Network-Install-HOWTO-8.html [05:13] <Flonne> juanej, have you tried restarting after that? [05:13] <juanej> yep [05:13] <str8edge> i've been using debian WAY too long. [05:13] <Ice9> how can I get my usb gamepad to work? [05:14] <str8edge> Ice9: what type fo gamepad? [05:14] <Ice9> saitek 2500 [05:15] <[[c0rrupt] ] > The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/httpu could not be found. [05:15] <vader1102> night people [05:15] <thoreauputic> [[c0rrupt] ] : breezy? [05:15] <[[c0rrupt] ] > nope [05:15] <thoreauputic> hmm [05:15] <[[c0rrupt] ] > hoary [05:16] <[[c0rrupt] ] > its not actually my pc its a friend im ssh [05:16] <[[c0rrupt] ] > he just installed it [05:16] <sockpuppe1> thoreauputic i need some help [05:16] <sockpuppe1> if you don't mind [05:16] <juanej> when will be breezy stable? [05:16] <str8edge> ice9: usb? [05:16] <thoreauputic> sockpuppe1: don't we all? *grin* [05:16] <thoreauputic> !ask [05:16] <str8edge> juanej: some time in october [05:17] <sockpuppe1> error while loading shared libraries: libjack.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [05:17] <Ice9> str8edge, yes [05:17] <sockpuppe1> what should I do to rectify this [05:17] <thoreauputic> !tell sockpuppe1 about ask [05:17] <nickrud> ubotu ask is there is no such thing as a stupid question [05:17] <ubotu> ...but ask is already something else... [05:17] <pjw> str8edge: Does Ubuntu have newer packages than the Debian? If it is true, I can't download, because I would like to have the newest software :P [05:17] <nickrud> !tell nickrud about ask [05:18] <[[c0rrupt] ] > !kernel headers [05:18] <ubotu> [[c0rrupt] ] : Wish i knew [05:18] <str8edge> pjw: some stuff is newer, depends on what you're looking for. I use debian stable on my server, and ubuntu everywhere else [05:18] <[[c0rrupt] ] > !headers [05:18] <ubotu> [[c0rrupt] ] : Not a clue [05:18] <thoreauputic> sockpuppe1: what are you doing that gives that error? [05:18] <sockpuppe1> trying to run a program called aqualung [05:18] <str8edge> pjw: my ps2 even has debian installed on it. [05:19] <thoreauputic> sockpuppe1: how did you install this program? [05:19] <str8edge> ice9: do you see the gamepad activate when you plug it in? [05:19] <[[c0rrupt] ] > !kernel [05:19] <sockpuppe1> compiled it [05:19] <cyphase> brb, about to install breezy colony 3 on my dev machine :) [05:19] <str8edge> sockpuppel: do you have libjack installed? [05:19] <Tennessee> Hi all. I want to make a DVD that will play in a DVD player (i.e. not just a data disc) from an avi. Anyone know how? [05:19] <sockpuppe1> yeah str8edge [05:20] <thoreauputic> sockpuppe1: sounds like the jackd sound daemon is needed [05:20] <Ice9> str8edge, no [05:20] <str8edge> sockpuppel: are you running jackd -d alsa or somesuch before starting aqualung? [05:20] <QMario> Tennessee, this would probably require "illegal" software. [05:20] <Tennessee> QM: Surely the software itself is not illegal... [05:20] <QMario> Implying libdvdcss2. [05:21] <Quest-Master> Tennessee: QMario you mean? [05:21] <Quest-Master> Oh, never mind [05:21] <Dime> how do i add commands to my start for my soundcard example modprobe [05:21] <Quest-Master> It highlighted me, lol [05:21] <Tennessee> I don't need to rip anything, just write. [05:21] <str8edge> ice9: can you tell me what happens in the syslog when you plug the pad? [05:21] <sockpuppe1> str8edge i dont think so [05:21] <QMario> Tennessee, that is all I know on the topic. [05:21] <Tennessee> Sorry Quest... [05:21] <Tennessee> cheers anyway mario [05:21] <Ice9> str8edge, if you can tell me how to get to the syslog [05:21] <thoreauputic> QMario: no, he's *making* a DVD, not decoding one [05:22] <str8edge> sockpuppel: jackd needs to be run before starting any depent apps [05:22] <QMario> Tennessee, that probably won't be what the US or Europe would say. [05:22] <sockpuppe1> ohhh [05:22] <nickrud> Dime, you normally you would put any odd modules that hotplug does not load automatically in /etc/modules [05:22] <sockpuppe1> ill try it [05:22] <EasterSunshine> anyone know a good ogg player that doesn't choke on filenames with korean unicode in it? [05:22] <EasterSunshine> and will play files over smb:// [05:22] <QMario> Anyone can lie (not implying that you are a liar). ;) [05:22] <str8edge> thoreauputic: hope you don't mind me jumping in like that! [05:22] <QMario> !totem [05:22] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, QMario [05:22] <str8edge> ice9: start a root terminal [05:23] <thoreauputic> str8edge: of course not - you seem to know more on the subject anyway :) [05:23] <QMario> !media [05:23] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, QMario [05:23] <QMario> !multimedia [05:23] <ubotu> multimedia is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia [05:23] <EasterSunshine> i'll try totem [05:23] <sockpuppe1> str8edge can I pm you? [05:23] <str8edge> ice9: go for it. [05:23] <QMario> Then go ahead. ;) [05:23] <str8edge> oops [05:23] <str8edge> sockpuppel: go for it. [05:24] <Ice9> str8edge, what do I type in root term? [05:24] <str8edge> ice9: once you have the root terminal open, type "tail -f /var/log/syslog" (no quotes) and then plug in the game pad. [05:24] <QMario> !Botsnack. [05:24] <ubotu> :) [05:24] <gadis^^hotlink> hai [05:24] <Concord_Dawn> hai everyone [05:24] <Concord_Dawn> I'm trying to chroot a user into their home directory. [05:25] <Concord_Dawn> but, whenever I log into that user, I get an 'Operation Not Permitted' error. [05:25] <Concord_Dawn> I've put the chroot command in that users .bashrc. [05:25] <Dime> ok well is there a file like autoexec.bat in windows for linux so it will load on boot up [05:25] <Ice9> str8edge, where shall I tell you the output? [05:25] <gadis^^hotlink> what are you looking for [05:26] <EasterSunshine> dime: /etc/modules maybe [05:26] <nickrud> Dime no, there is nothing like that (thankfully) [05:26] <gadis^^hotlink> what you mean [05:26] <Dime> well i dont feel like having to type in modprobe everytime i restart just to get my sound working [05:27] <Dime> cause hotplug didnt find it [05:27] <[[c0rrupt] ] > dime [05:27] <thoreauputic> Dime: put the modules in /etc/modules [05:27] <[[c0rrupt] ] > add a startup script [05:27] <nickrud> Dime, then, try adding the module you modprobe to the end of /etc/modules, then reboot. see if it works [05:27] <[[c0rrupt] ] > okooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook, [05:27] <gadis^^hotlink> where are you now? [05:27] <thoreauputic> [[c0rrupt] ] : no he doesn't need thatfor modules [05:27] <Dime> the modules are in ubuntu already [05:27] <nickrud> Dime, which modules? [05:28] <thoreauputic> Dime: /etc/modules <----- [05:28] <Dime> modprobe snd-sbawe;modprobe snd-pcm-oss; [05:28] <Dime> modprobe snd-mixer-oss;modprobe snd-seq-oss [05:28] <str8edge> ice9: pm me [05:28] <Dime> those are the commands i need to have ran at start-up [05:28] <abydos> what is the package to dpkg-reconfigure in order to modify network settings? [05:29] <thoreauputic> Dime: you don't need the modprobe part - just put each module name on a separate line in /etc/modules [05:29] <thoreauputic> Dime: to edit /etc/modules do for instance sudo gedit /etc/modules [05:30] <Concord_Dawn> Is there a way for me to chroot a user to their home directory everytime they login [05:30] <Concord_Dawn> via a startup script or something? [05:30] <Concord_Dawn> abydos, ifconfig? [05:30] <Dime> ok so what would the modules be then [05:31] <Dime> snd-sbawe [05:31] <thoreauputic> Dime: yes, just the names you have done modprobe for [05:32] <Wanderer___> Anyone here an experienced Ubuntu user? [05:32] <Concord_Dawn> what you need help with? [05:32] <EasterSunshine> we are gonna need something in the topic to address that question... [05:32] <abydos> Concord_Dawn: no, it's a meta-type package [05:32] <Concord_Dawn> no, that's the command to modify network settings. [05:32] <abydos> Concord_Dawn: dpkg-reconfigure xxxx is the typical syntax for calling it, it's like a druid [05:33] <nickrud> Dime, I would just add snd-sbawe to /etc/modules, and reboot. the other modules should be automatically added. [05:33] <redtech> I have a little printer situation here. I'm trying to isntall a 3rd printer and the only selection I have for Manufacture is Raw. I used to have a ton of Manufactures, what happened? [05:33] <Concord_Dawn> oh [05:33] <nickrud> s/added/loaded [05:33] <Dime> ok now i have one last question [05:33] <thoreauputic> EasterSunshine: it's like the "any <insert subject> gurus here?" question... ;) [05:33] <Wanderer___> Well, preferably someone who can tell me why it won't install. [05:33] <Concord_Dawn> oh [05:33] <Concord_Dawn> well [05:33] <Dime> how would i go about getting terminal and gdesklets to start up on start up [05:33] <BTJustice> Flonne: I was awy. SOrry. Should I upgrade to ALSA b? [05:33] <Concord_Dawn> what error do you get? [05:33] <FR500> Dime: in Session properties [05:34] <thoreauputic> !tell Wanderer___ about ask [05:34] <Wanderer___> Where you talking to me, Concord? [05:34] <nickrud> Dime, have a terminal open, log out, and select save this session, or some such. gdesklets, I'll never know, unless they get better [05:34] <Concord_Dawn> yes Wanderer___ [05:34] <BTJustice> tristanmike: Thos were the directions I used to get it to work, but hte sound is scratchy and jumpy. [05:34] <EasterSunshine> there are definetely gonna be ubuntu gurus in #ubuntu, not to mention that you don't need to ask if you can ask for help since it says official ubuntu help chan in the topic [05:35] <abydos> ubotu: tell me about network [05:35] <EasterSunshine> we already know you are here for help... [05:35] <Concord_Dawn> !tell abydos about network [05:35] <abydos> he has no idea what network is [05:35] <tristanmike> BTJustice, yeah, actually I saw that after, sorry [05:35] <Concord_Dawn> indeed. [05:35] <BTJustice> Might anyone be able to help me fix a problem with my SB Live! 24 bit sound card? I have sound but it is real scratchy and jumpy. [05:36] <EasterSunshine> btjustice: i had scratchy...i turned 'tone' off in kmix, i never had jumpy [05:36] <BTJustice> EasterSunshine: Where might I find the tone setting? [05:37] <Wanderer___> Jesus, what did I do to piss ubotu off??? [05:37] <EasterSunshine> btjustice: umm try alsamixer, if it isn't there, then sry i don't know. kmix is the only mixer i've ever played with [05:37] <zerboxx> Does anyone here use torrentflux? [05:38] <EasterSunshine> Wanderer___: ubotu can't get pissed off...hes a few kilobytes of script [05:38] <thoreauputic> Wanderer___: ubotu is the channel bot - he has no emotions ;) [05:38] <sockpuppe1> the php torrent client thinger [05:38] <sockpuppe1> nah [05:38] <Wanderer___> Oh. [05:38] <Madpilot> Wanderer___: did you just get asked if you were on crack? ;) [05:38] <zerboxx> sockpuppe1: it's pretty neat, I'm just trying to figure some stuff out that the forums, or readmes just don't tell me :) [05:38] <nickrud> ubotu has a very limited range of insults :) [05:38] <ubotu> nickrud: Do they come in packets of five? [05:38] <EasterSunshine> in the amarok channel, there is a bot amarok, and everytime you mention amarok, he makes a snappy comment [05:39] <Wanderer___> Huh? Why would I be asked that? [05:39] <Madpilot> Wanderer___: it's one of ubotu's standard replies when it has no idea what you're talking about... [05:39] <EasterSunshine> ssh...we are confusing Wanderer___. [05:39] <GrYpHoN> Alright, got a question for you linux heads. I got everything working with my wireless but it dosent look like its scanning for any wireless networks, like the radio is off. The indicator light dosent come on either. Its a hp pavillion zv5000 laptop by the way. Any ideas? [05:39] <zerboxx> EasterSunshine: heh [05:39] <glick> damn there is sooo much wisdom in fortune [05:39] <EasterSunshine> ssh as in hush, not secure shell [05:40] <zerboxx> EasterSunshine: Why not that too? [05:40] <thoreauputic> Wanderer___: if you ask ubotu something he doesn't know, he sometimes asks you if you are on crack :) [05:40] <BTJustice> Might switches have anything to do with it? I have AC97 In, SPDIF Out, SPDIF In, SPDIF Out, SRC Out, i2s In, i2s Mixer Out [05:40] <glick> damn there is sooo much wisdom in fortune [05:40] <glick> damn [05:40] <glick> wrong window again [05:40] <EasterSunshine> glick: i would rewrite fortune, every now and then it pops out a lame riddle. i never see riddles in fortune cookies [05:40] <tristanmike> ubotu pie [05:40] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, tristanmike [05:40] <metis> cam anyone help me setup my postfix with oscommerce? [05:40] <tristanmike> haha, no crack for me [05:41] <avadash> hey how do i mount a bin/cue/iso file to a virtual cd-rom? [05:41] <glick> Death before dishonor. But neither before breakfast. [05:41] <glick> hehe [05:41] <bz0b> hey people [05:41] <bz0b> how do i run a .deb file? [05:41] <thoreauputic> avadash: I've heard "bchunk" can handle bin/cue [05:41] <zerboxx> !dpkg [05:41] <ubotu> somebody said dpkg was the Debian Package Manager: sudo dpkg --install package.deb [05:42] <zerboxx> bz0b: that's for you :) [05:42] <abydos> how do you reconfigure the NICs with dpkg-reconfigure? [05:42] <linuxn00b> Hi eveyone :) I was wonding is it possible to change the apt sources in the hoary installer? [05:42] <avadash> thoreauputic: thx man [05:42] <GrYpHoN> Any ideas anyone? [05:42] <nickrud> bz0b, you don't 'run' a deb, you install it. I'ts a package of software [05:43] <bz0b> i see thanks guys [05:43] <str8edge> abydos: use the network control panel under system | adminstration | networking [05:43] <bz0b> now that i have skype installed, the possibilities are endless [05:43] <Wanderer___> Anyway, the installer goes to the first screen, I hit enter and it spews it's standard compiler gibberish. All is well untill it says :booting kernel", or some such thing. It is then that my computer reboots. The cd then gets reread. And, I'm plopped right back at the screen that I began at. It's like some hellish cyber-version remake of Groundhog Day without the damn groundhog. [05:43] <bz0b> now if I could only get ventrilo working on linux [05:43] <bz0b> that would make my life a lot easier [05:43] <root> guys .. have a little problem my etc/apt/sources.list is f..ed up [05:43] <root> I can't apt-get install anything [05:44] <bz0b> does it says something like httpu [05:44] <PurpleMotion> Hai, fsckers! [05:44] <nickrud> root, lhttp://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38 has been a canonical sources.list for a while [05:44] <root> it always says that theare unmet dependencies ... [05:44] <thoreauputic> Wanderer___: remove the CD for the reboot - it is just re-booting the install CD [05:44] <Concord_Dawn> PurpleMotion, can you help me with a chrooting problem? [05:45] <thoreauputic> Wanderer___: or did I misunderstand your description? [05:45] <root> to make matter worse... it is always the same message.. the same unmet packages for any single package I want to install.. even if they are installed already [05:45] <PurpleMotion> " [05:45] <PurpleMotion> Concord_Dawn: i dont know, whats the problem [05:45] <linuxn00b> so anyone know if it is possible to change the apt sources in the hoary installer? [05:45] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: that would require actually reading what the installer says ;) [05:45] <nickrud> root, how about posting that error message on paste.ubuntulinux.org [05:45] <bz0b> bz0b@bz0b:~$ skype [05:45] <bz0b> skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [05:46] <bz0b> can someone tell me whaT that means? [05:46] <str8edge> linuxn00b: if you do an expert install you can. I don't recomend it. [05:46] <Concord_Dawn> PurpleMotion, I want to chroot a user into their home directory everytime they login. [05:46] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: fsckin frightening, eh [05:46] <Wanderer___> Which time? when I first stick it in the drive, reboot, then do the enter thing? Or do you mean when it reboots the second time? [05:46] <bz0b> do i need to apt get something? [05:46] <Concord_Dawn> it's an SSH only account. [05:46] <Concord_Dawn> so whenever they start bash [05:46] <Concord_Dawn> so I put /usr/sbin/chroot ~/ in their .bash [05:46] <Concord_Dawn> .bashrc* [05:46] <PurpleMotion> so you want them to see their home directory as root? [05:46] <linuxn00b> str8edge, im in the expert install now but I don't know see where I can change it. [05:46] <EasterSunshine> probably apt-get install libqt-mt [05:46] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: yeah - like no-one notices the stuff about root/sudo in the installer... [05:46] <Concord_Dawn> but I get a "You ain't root biatch" error. [05:47] <bz0b> can someone please tell me what this means? [05:47] <thoreauputic> Wanderer___: the installer tells you when to remove the CD [05:47] <bz0b> expert install now but I don't know see where I can change it. [05:47] <bz0b> EasterSunshine probably apt-get install libqt-mt [05:47] <bz0b> thoreauputic PurpleMotion: yeah - like no-one notices the stuff about root/sudo in the installer... [05:47] <bz0b> Concord_Dawn but I get a "You ain't root biatch" error. [05:47] <bz0b> * omaru (n=omaru@200.79.201.159.cableonline.com.mx) has joined #ubuntu [05:47] <bz0b> bz0b can someone please tell me what this means? [05:47] <bz0b> * omaru has quit (Client Quit) [05:47] <bz0b> thoreauputic Wanderer___: the installer tells you when to remove the CD [05:47] <PurpleMotion> Concord_Dawn: you want them to not be able to access beyond their /home dir right [05:47] <bz0b> * xsadikx (n=obsessio@bl5-211-171.dsl.telepac.pt) has joined #ubuntu [05:47] <bz0b> woopsie [05:47] <bz0b> sorry [05:47] <nickrud> bz0b, you can usually track down errors like that with non-ubuntu software by searching for the missing file on packages.ubuntu.com [05:47] <Concord_Dawn> pretty much, unless I symlink [05:47] <PurpleMotion> Concord_Dawn: jailshell [05:47] <metis> can someone help with postfix [05:47] <Concord_Dawn> =\ [05:47] <PurpleMotion> !jailshell [05:47] <ubotu> PurpleMotion: Bugger all, i dunno [05:47] <Concord_Dawn> ? [05:47] <Wanderer___> No, it doesn't. [05:47] <PurpleMotion> hrmm [05:48] <PurpleMotion> ill find it for you [05:48] <bz0b> nickrud, thanks [05:48] <EasterSunshine> configure your irc clients ppl...to warn you about pasting multiple lines or something [05:48] <Concord_Dawn> thanks PurpleMotion [05:48] <Concord_Dawn> EasterSunshine, mIRC does that after pasting about 5 lines. [05:48] <tristanmike> thoreauputic, he can't even get into the installer [05:48] <root> that address does not work [05:48] <thoreauputic> Wanderer___: yes, it does - we've all done the install, you know - you'll need to be more precise i think [05:48] <root> paste.ubuntulinux.org [05:48] <EasterSunshine> metis: there is #postfix, but they look idle... [05:49] <xsadikx> how can i change the default gnome menu icon? i downloaded a custom ubuntu icon [05:49] <PurpleMotion> jailer - Builds and maintains chrooted environments [05:49] <PurpleMotion> jailtool - Tool to build chroot-jails for daemons [05:49] <EasterSunshine> Concord_Dawn: you are using mirc? [05:49] <Concord_Dawn> no. [05:49] <nickrud> root, sorry, paste.ubuntulinux.nl [05:49] <thoreauputic> Wanderer___: are you saying the installer aborts before it even starts? [05:49] <EasterSunshine> Concord_Dawn: if so, it better be on wine [05:49] <tristanmike> thoreauputic, yeah, I've been trying to help to no avail [05:49] <Concord_Dawn> lol, indeed [05:49] <PurpleMotion> install jailer and jailtool [05:49] <Wanderer___> It says nothing to me. I guess I was unclear. It gets no farther than "Booting Kernel" before it reboots ad infintium. [05:49] <Concord_Dawn> ok [05:50] <metis> how do u get to these other rooms easter? where do i find these? [05:50] <thoreauputic> Wanderer___: is the disk OK? Have you checked the md5sum? [05:50] <thoreauputic> Wanderer___: bad burn? mybe? [05:50] <thoreauputic> *maybe [05:50] <xsadikx> How do I change the default gnome menu icon? [05:50] <Wanderer___> What is md5sum?
 That's the first time I've used chmod 4050 [05:50] <tristanmike> thoreauputic, it's apparently an offical one he got from a friedn [05:50] <tristanmike> *friend [05:50] <thoreauputic> tristanmike: ah OK [05:50] <EasterSunshine> metis: type "/j #postfix" to enter the #ostifx channel, which had 106 nicks when i visited, so i dunno how easily you will get reponse [05:51] <Concord_Dawn> Wanderer___, it's a string (hash) that represents all of the data on a disc or in a file. [05:51] <EasterSunshine> metis: sry thats "/j #postfix" [05:51] <EasterSunshine> argh my client wont let me send it [05:51] <Wanderer___> How to check it? [05:51] <bz0b> nickrud, so would i most likely be downloading the libqt3-mt-dev? [05:51] <Concord_Dawn> search md5 in the repos. [05:51] <PurpleMotion> EasterSunshine: there are 431 people in here, and everybody gets help if someones around who knows the answer [05:51] <root> can anyone check out my post http:/paste.ubuntulinux.org/1414 [05:51] <nickrud> bz0b, probably not the dev, that's if you want to compile against libqt3-mt, but you are close :) [05:52] <EasterSunshine> purplemoon: i know but i thought they would be more familiar with postfix in #postfix [05:52] <thoreauputic> root: you do know that runing IRC as root is a Bad Thing, don't you? [05:52] <tristanmike> Concord_Dawn, if he can't get it installed, how can he get it in the repos? [05:52] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: really? what can you do to him? [05:52] <Concord_Dawn> doh [05:52] <Concord_Dawn> true. [05:52] <Concord_Dawn> well [05:52] <Concord_Dawn> he could use the livecd. [05:52] <Concord_Dawn> but [05:53] <Concord_Dawn> search MD5 for Windows in google [05:53] <Wanderer___> What exactly am I looking for? [05:53] <root> .. I didn't realize I was [05:53] <Concord_Dawn> and Md5 hashing tool for Windows. [05:53] <root> hold on a sec [05:53] <root> exit [05:53] <Concord_Dawn> or whatever your current OS is. [05:53] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: I can't - but if his client has any vulnerabilities he's wide open to them [05:53] <xsadikx> can you guys point me to some tutorial on how to mount ntfs partitions under ubuntu? [05:53] <PurpleMotion> heh [05:53] <Concord_Dawn> PurpleMotion, I installed those, now what? [05:53] <hardw1re> is he using the root account? [05:53] <wjesusaxl> I'm back.. I used to be root [05:53] <PurpleMotion> chances are about as good as someone catching a copy of your credit card number if you send it unencrypted [05:53] <EasterSunshine> that reminds me, what package does the command smbmount come in? [05:53] <Wanderer___> I can get to a text file with the name md5sum.txt. Is that it? [05:54] <nickrud> oh, that was you :) [05:54] <Madpilot> !ntfs [05:54] <ubotu> I heard ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab [05:54] <Madpilot> xsadikx: see ubotu above ^^^ [05:54] <Concord_Dawn> Wanderer___, yeah, but you need to check that against the md5 hash generated from the file you have on your HDD [05:54] <PurpleMotion> EasterSunshine: watch ubotu [05:54] <Concord_Dawn> so [05:54] <PurpleMotion> !find smbmount [05:54] <Wanderer___> HDD? [05:54] <xsadikx> cool [05:54] <nickrud> wjesusaxl, do as it says, sudo apt-get install -f [05:54] <Concord_Dawn> hard disk drive. [05:54] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: *shrug* in some channels being root is an automatic kick [05:54] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: yeah i know, i always thought thatw as quite gay [05:55] <Concord_Dawn> so [05:55] <Concord_Dawn> search Md5 for Windows in Google. [05:55] <wjesusaxl> nickrud: I tried that once ... and it wiped clean all my packages [05:55] <Concord_Dawn> and download an md5 hashing tool. [05:55] <PurpleMotion> Search of 'smbmount' (5 shown; 41 total): (/usr/bin/smbmount) in otherosfs/smbfs ;; (/usr/share/samba/swat/help/smbmount.8.html) in universe/net/swat ;; (/usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/smbmount.8.html) in doc/samba-doc ;; (/usr/share/locale/tr/LC_MESSAGES/konq_smbmounterplugin.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-tr ;; (/usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/konq_smbmounterplugin.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-ja. [05:55] <EasterSunshine> PurpleMotion: i'm watching... [05:55] <nickrud> wjesusaxl, ? [05:55] <vitriol> the ubuntu forums don't work too well in lynx :( [05:55] <PurpleMotion> it didnt do it in the channel [05:55] <nickrud> wiped clean? I've been saved at every turn by that command :) [05:55] <wjesusaxl> every single package I insalled was gone [05:55] <tristanmike> Concord_Dawn, it's an offical cd, not a burned one [05:56] <PurpleMotion> whats unofficial about a burned cd? [05:56] <PurpleMotion> im pretty sure it has the same license as a stamped one [05:56] <Concord_Dawn> yeah [05:56] <Concord_Dawn> it does. [05:56] <Chiacomo> PurpleMotion: Thanks for your help yesterday -- ended up getting my sound going... :D [05:56] <PurpleMotion> and byte for byte the same data [05:56] <PurpleMotion> Chiacomo: anytime :) [05:56] <EasterSunshine> PurpleMotion: that only gives the paths to smbmnt, not the package [05:56] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: do "!+find smbmount" or whatever - with the + sign - to force ubotu to post the the channel [05:56] <PurpleMotion> EasterSunshine: it does holdon [05:56] <Concord_Dawn> PurpleMotion, what do I do now with jailer? [05:56] <wjesusaxl> ok i'm on that [05:57] <vitriol> anybody used colony 3? [05:57] <nickrud> wjesusaxl, the only comment I have, is you have some weird sources in you list. I'm pretty conservative about that [05:57] <PurpleMotion> Concord_Dawn: check the documentation, i guess.. i dont use it so im afraid i wont be much help.. once you get it working thought, you might wish to write a wiki article on it [05:57] <wjesusaxl> it seems to be some packages that go stuck [05:57] <Chiacomo> PurpleMotion: Anytime? really? Sound is working but Audacity can't seem to handle it... [05:57] <PurpleMotion> dunno anything about audacity, what6 is it? [05:58] <PurpleMotion> EasterSunshine: (/usr/bin/smbmount) in otherosfs/smbfs <-- it's in package smbfs [05:58] <thoreauputic> Chiacomo: audacity has problems with esd - try "killall esd" and run it again [05:58] <wjesusaxl> nickrud: I'm kind a newbie ... not totally [05:58] <nickrud> wjesusaxl, how about posting your /etc/apt/sources.list on paste [05:58] <FR500> hello [05:58] <Chiacomo> PurpleMotion: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ -- [05:58] <Chiacomo> thoreauputic: Okey dokey... don't restart esd? [05:58] <wjesusaxl> I found one on the web and replace I had.. [05:59] <FR500> what is the page for backports? [05:59] <wjesusaxl> replace what I once had [05:59] <PurpleMotion> oh i have that [05:59] <wjesusaxl> now it's working [05:59] <avadash> how do i mount a iso image? [05:59] <thoreauputic> Chiacomo: try it without esd and see [05:59] <PurpleMotion> dunno mine worked out of the box [05:59] <avadash> ???? [05:59] <wjesusaxl> can't believe it [06:00] <Wanderer___> No, you guys missunderstood. My friend had extra copies of the official cds he order (ie he order multiple official cds). That's what I'm using (or trying to use, depending on how you look at it) right know. Oh, I found Md5 Checksum utility for Win32. Is that what I'm looking for in the google? [06:00] <EasterSunshine> PurpleMotion: ah, i thought smbfs was referring to the name of the filesystem [06:00] <nickrud> wjesusaxl, I can, I've been using apt for a long time. [06:00] <PurpleMotion> avadash: mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/iso.iso /mnt/mount_point [06:00] <PurpleMotion> EasterSunshine: nope,t hats the package [06:00] <thoreauputic> avadash: sudo modprobe loop ; mount -o loop /mnt/point file.iso ; cd /mnt/point [06:00] <ian> hello ppl.. [06:00] <wjesusaxl> so I have [06:00] <wjesusaxl> but I didn't trust apt-get install -f [06:00] <nickrud> off topic, who aptly named apt, anyway :) [06:00] <PurpleMotion> why in gods name are you probing for loop? [06:01] <ian> does ubuntu..automatically..detect new hardware..installed? [06:01] <thoreauputic> oops PurpleMotion is right, ignore me avadash [06:01] <PurpleMotion> what dist doesnt install a loop device? [06:01] <wjesusaxl> because it took down all my packages [06:01] <BTJustice> Might anyone be able to help me fix a problem with my SB Live! 24 bit sound card? I have sound but it is real scratchy and jumpy. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307 was how I got the card working in the first place. [06:01] <Chiacomo> thoreauputic: It's working now, but sounds slow and like I'm in a barrel when I try to record... :P [06:01] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: the module wsn't auto loaded here.. YMMV [06:01] <PurpleMotion> only on linux can sucha fine card sound like total arse [06:01] <Wanderer___> Guys? Is that what I'm looking for? [06:01] <ian> does ubuntu..automatically..detect new hardware..installed? [06:01] <ian> :) [06:02] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: oh it doesnt here either, till somethign calls the loop device then it automagically loads [06:02] <PurpleMotion> unloads when you're done too [06:02] <Concord_Dawn> ian: yes [06:02] <Concord_Dawn> afaik. [06:02] <Wanderer___> Hello? [06:02] <PurpleMotion> how do i change _my_ text in x-chat? [06:02] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: hmm - OK - last time I did it was on warty, and I had to modprobe it for some weird reason [06:03] <ian> Concord_Dawn: thanks.. [06:03] <Concord_Dawn> PurpleMotion, can't. [06:03] <nickrud> Wanderer___, you [06:03] <PurpleMotion> bullshit [06:03] <FR500> ian: yes, but not all the hw works out of the box [06:03] <PurpleMotion> i dont believe that [06:03] <FR500> ian: just like windoze [06:03] <nickrud> 're using a pressed cd from shipit.ubuntu.com? [06:03] <tristanmike> Wanderer___, no, you would only need that if you downloaded your copy, officals shouldn't need a md5 checksum [06:03] <wjesusaxl> nickrud: what happens when you got into iRC as you are root [06:03] <helloyo> i'm having some difficulty with breezy, my network doesn't work due to a wrong driver i think, how do i configure this? [06:03] <ian> FR500: ok thanks..ill try....i will get back if its does not work..:D [06:03] <nickrud> wjesusaxl, have no idea, I have'nt run as root for anything for a =very= long time [06:04] <FR500> ian: what are you trying to install [06:04] <wjesusaxl> nickrud: someone just told me it was bad [06:04] <nickrud> wjesusaxl, listen to them. root is for system admin, nothing else. Life occurs as a user. [06:04] <Wanderer___> Yet an md5 checksum this pressed cd has. I'm looking at the file in all its' wierd hexadecimal glory even as we speak (type?). [06:04] <Webby`> Hi, I'm having mouse trouble. My mouse won't scroll. Any advice on how to get this to work? [06:05] <BTJustice> Might anyone be able to help me fix a problem with my SB Live! 24 bit sound card? I have sound but it is real scratchy and jumpy. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307 was how I got the card working in the first place. [06:05] <wjesusaxl> I did know that [06:05] <wjesusaxl> but I thought it could be risky [06:05] <vitriol> going on irc as root as like browsing with internet explorer in windows as administrator [06:05] <vitriol> .....oh wait [06:05] <vitriol> :p [06:05] <Madpilot> vitriol: hah! [06:05] <BTJustice> lol [06:05] <Wanderer___> Hello? Guys? [06:06] <judax> :) [06:06] <nickrud> I never run windows, so I'll take your word :) [06:06] <tristanmike> Wanderer___, what is you wanted to know? [06:06] <Wanderer___> I just replied that this pressed cd has an md5sum file. [06:07] <tristanmike> Wanderer___, yes it will have one, the thing is that the download ones may have a corrupt one, does that make sense? [06:07] <tristanmike> Wanderer___, in downloading it, it may get corrupted [06:07] <Wanderer___> hmmm. Yes. So what am I doing wrong? [06:08] <tristanmike> someone help this guy get his Linux installed [06:08] <nickrud> Wanderer___, this pressed cd, you boot it, what happens? (sorry, I've been in and out on the channel) [06:09] <PurpleMotion> Concord_Dawn: go to Settings -> Advanced -> Text Events... ->second option fromt he bottom. chamge C30 to whatever other color you want your text to be [06:09] <Wanderer___> the installer goes to the first screen, I hit enter and it spews it's standard compiler gibberish. All is well untill it says :booting kernel", or some such thing. It is then that my computer reboots. The cd then gets reread. And, I'm plopped right back at the screen that I began at. It's like some hellish cyber-version remake of Groundhog Day without the damn groundhog. [this is a paste,... [06:09] <Wanderer___> ...for conveniency} [06:09] <nickrud> ah, I did see that :) [06:11] <nickrud> Wanderer___, so, you put the cd in the tray, reboot the computer, hit enter on the first prompt, and, instead of installing ubuntu, the computer reboots? [06:11] <PurpleMotion> man i can change everythign here [06:11] <tristanmike> cyber-groundhog day without the damn groundhog, that's funny [06:12] <Concord_Dawn> well [06:12] <Concord_Dawn> night [06:13] <tristanmike> nickrud, that's what's happening to him [06:13] <judax> :) [06:13] <tristanmike> nickrud, over and over, if he hit's enter, reboot [06:13] <pjw> Concord_Dawn: i have a beautiful morning :) [06:13] <nickrud> huh, and it's a pressed shipit.ubuntu.com disk. Some wierd hardware, I think, which I will duck. [06:14] <nickrud> and pass to bob or crimson or someone like that :) [06:14] <PurpleMotion> hrmm [06:14] <PurpleMotion> i broked xchat [06:14] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: wow - how did you manage that ? *g* [06:14] <PurpleMotion> messin with the text events :D [06:14] <PurpleMotion> but i fixed it [06:15] <nickrud> Wanderer___, sorry, that is just more than I can help with. [06:15] <tristanmike> nickrud, what if the same thing is happening but it quits at the line... "PS/2 mouse device common for all mice" [06:15] <nickrud> tristanmike, again, I'll pass that to the people who actually know the installer. I try to stay within my limits. [06:17] <tristanmike> nickrud, cool [06:17] <EasterSunshine> anyone here knowledgable about pdf file specification can tell me if it stores a creation time/date? [06:18] <c0rrupt> Invalid memory block address. [06:19] <nickrud> EasterSunshine, not really knowledgeable, but, looking at a pdf I created, there's no date in it. [06:20] <ian> hello ppl.. [06:20] <Wanderer___> So? What do I do? I think my efforts at attempting an install have been very persistent. Does it end in failure? [06:20] <nickrud> Wanderer___, no, drop in and out of this list, and ask again. Better yet, send a question to the ubuntu-users mailling list. [06:21] <thoreauputic> Wanderer___: just a stab in the dark - I think you can switch to tty4 to see error output (alt-F4) [06:21] <EasterSunshine> nickrud: what program did you use to make it? [06:21] <thoreauputic> might be tty3... not sure [06:21] <l0s3rk1d> hi how can i change my desktop to kde? [06:21] <EasterSunshine> nickrud: i am particulaly interested in those exported by adobe acrobat [06:21] <PurpleMotion> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [06:22] <l0s3rk1d> thanks [06:22] <BTJustice> Might anyone be able to help me fix a problem with my SB Live! 24 bit sound card? I have sound but it is real scratchy and jumpy. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307 was how I got the card working in the first place. [06:22] <thoreauputic> l0s3rk1d: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [06:22] <nickrud> EasterSunshine, one I looked at was exported by openoffice. adobe, I don't know. [06:22] <l0s3rk1d> where can i get the list of apt-gets? [06:22] <Wanderer___> OK. I will try, try again. [06:22] <EasterSunshine> nickrud: thx anyway [06:23] <Wanderer___> BTW, what does it mean when a file has the extension "gz"? [06:23] <mike1980> Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted. This probably means that CD-ROM was not in the drive [06:24] <mike1980> can anyone help me [06:24] <thoreauputic> Wanderer___: means it was compressed with "gzio" ( GNU compression tool) [06:25] <PurpleMotion> where int he hell is the highlight option? [06:25] <thoreauputic> oops a/gzio/gzip [06:25] <PurpleMotion> to set the color for highlighting [06:25] <nickrud> Wanderer___, it's a type of compression, you would use gunzip to uncompress it [06:25] <helloyo> how do i reconfigure my network? [06:25] <Wanderer___> OK.. What's it doing on the Install cd? [06:26] <nickrud> Wanderer___, making all the stuff on it smaller, so more will fit [06:26] <Ice9> how come my cds aren't auto mounting? [06:26] <Wanderer___> ok. Thanks to everyone that helped me! [06:27] <FR500> helloyo: System->administration->networking [06:28] <mike1980> hi guys i am gettin error "Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted. This probably means that CD-ROM was not in the drive" any ideas how to fix this? [06:28] <helloyo> FR500, can you do it in the shell? i have installed breezy, but the network is stuffed, so installation doesn't complete [06:29] <FR500> helloyo: do you use dhcp? [06:29] <helloyo> FR500, yep [06:29] <FR500> helloyo: sudo dhclient interface_name [06:29] <wjesusaxl> do you know what happens.. when I tried to compile a package and it tells me... gcc can create executable files [06:29] <GrYpHoN> Any wireless Guru's here by chance? [06:29] <wjesusaxl> ???? [06:30] <FR500> GrYpHoN: no guru just ask [06:30] <GrYpHoN> Ok, here goes [06:30] <thoreauputic> wjesusaxl: yes - install the build-essential package [06:30] <wjesusaxl> thoreaputic: and what does that mean? [06:30] <Ice9> how come my cds aren't auto mounting? [06:30] <judax> :) [06:31] <c0rrupt> bz0b, [06:31] <c0rrupt> wherd u go [06:31] <thoreauputic> wjesusaxl: build-essential isa package that supplies what you need for basic compiling [06:31] <thoreauputic> wjesusaxl: make, gcc , g++ etc [06:32] <PurpleMotion> hrmm [06:32] <FR500> helloyo: did it work? [06:32] <redtech> I have a little printer situation here. I'm trying to install another printer and the only selection I have for manufacturer is Raw. I used to have a ton of manufactures, what happened? [06:32] <GrYpHoN> Can't get my wireless to work. All settings appear good, Radio is on, driver is loaded with ndiswrapper. Had same issue with Linspaire 5.0. Wireless works fine in Windows. [06:32] <wjesusaxl> it happens when make ./configure [06:32] <wjesusaxl> I mean just ./configure [06:32] <FR500> GrYpHoN: what card? [06:32] <GrYpHoN> Broadcomm 4036. Onboard on teh HP pavilion zv5000 [06:32] <FR500> Broadcom [06:32] <mike1980> is it possible to do a net install with ubuntu? [06:33] <FR500> i think you gotta recompile kernel [06:33] <GrYpHoN> I see. Ok Im extremly new to linux. What is involved in that [06:33] <FR500> mike1980: there is a PXE boot image that allows you to do that, i don't know otherwise [06:33] <FR500> GrYpHoN: i think there is a guide on the wiki [06:33] <mike1980> <FR500: ok thanks [06:34] <GrYpHoN> Hummmm will check [06:34] <FR500> mike1980: same as GrYpHoN [06:34] <ArYO> I have some problem with apt-get update in ubuntu [06:35] <Linuxx> who speak Spanish? [06:35] <ArYO> gzip:stdin :stdin not in gzip format [06:35] <FR500> Linuxx: yo [06:35] <thoreauputic> Linuxx: /join #ubuntu-es [06:36] <zovirl> I'm having problems using dia's command-line export. It works fine from the GUI, but from the command line (-e option) it prints a bunch of error messages and uses weird random colors [06:37] <zovirl> any ideas why? [06:37] <Ice9> when I try to play a dvd with xine, it says "there is no input plugin available to handle "dvd:/" how can I solve this [06:38] <letschatt> where's apokry? [06:38] <letschatt> i was here a few hours ago desperately trying to get my wireless card working [06:39] <letschatt> i got that mofo up. but had to boot back into windows because ubuntu slows my computer down [06:39] <letschatt> i know i am running a lot of garbage in the background. which stuff is safe to remove [06:39] <helloyo> FR500, sorry, i think the problem is its using 8139cp instead of 8139too [06:39] <FR500> helloyo: lol, what is that [06:40] <helloyo> i think the ethernet driver [06:40] <FR500> and dhcp wont work? [06:40] <helloyo> nope, network doesn't work at all [06:40] <PurpleMotion> thats pissin me off [06:41] <PurpleMotion> xchat crashes every time i update the text events [06:41] <PurpleMotion> they save [06:41] <PurpleMotion> bvut it crashes [06:41] <FR500> helloyo: no clue, i'm just an average user [06:43] <Ice9> when I try to play a dvd with xine, it says "there is no input plugin available to handle "dvd:/" how can I solve this [06:44] <PurpleMotion> install libdvdcss2 [06:44] <PurpleMotion> !restricted [06:44] <ubotu> restricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [06:45] <PurpleMotion> ed [06:46] <Madpilot> is there anything in Ubuntu that can read .eps files - Encapsulated PostScript vector image files? [06:46] <splatg> ggv [06:46] <splatg> I think that works with eps [06:46] <jtan325> evince? [06:46] <nickrud> most anything that reads postscript, i think [06:46] <PurpleMotion> this is much better now [06:47] <PurpleMotion> I just need to figure out how to change everyone else's channel text [06:47] <PurpleMotion> and add >>'s [06:47] <Ice9> Purplemotion, libdvdcss2 was already installed [06:47] <reka> Madpilot: gnome-gv is installed by default [06:47] <PurpleMotion> Ice9: I dunno then,t hat was just an educated guess [06:47] <vitriol> what?! don't you dare change my channel text.....you insensitive clod! [06:48] <PurpleMotion> vitriol: more than anything i want to add ">>" between your nick and your text [06:48] <Madpilot> reka: (and everyone else) thanks, I'll check ghostview out [06:48] <vitriol> xchat? [06:48] <PurpleMotion> uh huh [06:48] <vitriol> sorry i don't use xchat or i'd help... [06:49] <vitriol> 00:48:54 up 180 days, 14:25, 5 users, load average: 0.10, 0.09, 0.07 [06:49] <vitriol> :) [06:49] <nickrud> console jockies :) [06:49] <PurpleMotion> wow [06:49] <PurpleMotion> 6 months old today [06:49] <PurpleMotion> you must be proud [06:49] <GrYpHoN> I can't find anything that I can understand on recompiling my kernel to allow my wireless work. Anyone got a reference doc for me? Having a hard time finding anything in the Wiki [06:49] <Madpilot> that's a lot of uptime - cool [06:49] <vitriol> a friend let's me use his server [06:49] <vitriol> not my boxen [06:50] <PurpleMotion> oh, heh [06:50] <vitriol> GrYpHoN: what card is it? [06:51] <GrYpHoN> Broadcom 4306 (rev.3) [06:51] <vitriol> oohh [06:51] <pirving> hrllo [06:51] <vitriol> you need ndiswrapper [06:51] <pirving> hello [06:51] <pirving> My apt-get is timming out on a poopy server. Should I just wait for it to finish or ctrl -c [06:51] <vitriol> GrYpHoN: do !ndiswrapper and the bot will tell you where to look [06:51] <dubnium> okay.. so I installed realplayer from the .bin on the website but it will not execute [06:51] <vitriol> !tell GrYpHoN ndiswrapper [06:52] <vitriol> bah [06:52] <vitriol> that didn't work [06:52] <GrYpHoN> lol [06:52] <vitriol> well you know how to do it ;) [06:52] <Madpilot> vitriol: "ubotu tell <nick> about <thing>" [06:52] <reka> pirving: you using mirrors? [06:52] <vitriol> yeah there we go [06:52] <GrYpHoN> I got the driver loaded with ndiswrapper [06:52] <GrYpHoN> already [06:52] <kentaur> !ndiswrapper [06:52] <ubotu> [ndiswrapper] at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper [06:52] <vitriol> oh :p [06:52] <vitriol> GrYpHoN: so whats the problem? [06:53] <splatg> dubnium: so all the files got installed? [06:53] <dubnium> they're all in there [06:53] <GrYpHoN> Dosent connect to my wireless. Works under windows. Had same issue with Linspire. [06:53] <dubnium> no error messages [06:53] <pirving> I'm using a bad mirror [06:53] <pirving> I guess [06:53] <pirving> Connection timeout [06:53] <pirving> ftp2.ciai.org [06:53] <vitriol> GrYpHoN: what does dmesg say [06:53] <pirving> or something like that [06:54] <vitriol> GrYpHoN: immediately after you modprobe ndiswrapper [06:54] <pirving> ftp2.caliu.net [06:54] <splatg> mmm, in my experience realplayer does do that, you try to launch it and it doesn't do anything and then eventually appears out of nowhere [06:54] <vitriol> ? [06:54] <pirving> thats it [06:54] <Ice9> how come my cd drives aren't auto mounting? [06:54] <Linux_Galore> hmm [06:54] <GrYpHoN> Thats the thing. I modeprobe and no message comes up. (Noob here :() [06:54] <vitriol> hmmm [06:54] <splatg> dubnium: can you see its process in the system monitor [06:54] <hardw1re> does anyone know how to install the nforce1/2/3 drivers for the x86_64 system? [06:54] <vitriol> sounds like you have the wrong driver [06:54] <reka> pirving: well, i don't know of that site/repo...but it's probably it [06:55] <pirving> Should I just wait? [06:55] <Linux_Galore> hardw1re: you need the kernel sources [06:55] <vitriol> GrYpHoN: what .inf file are you using? [06:55] <Linux_Galore> hardw1re: package [06:55] <hardw1re> yeah i just apt-get them [06:55] <hardw1re> but it still says i need them :| [06:55] <Linux_Galore> hardw1re: yep [06:55] <vitriol> GrYpHoN: you can identify it with ndiswrapper -l [06:55] <reka> pirving: what are you trying to get anyway? [06:55] <GrYpHoN> bcwl5a.inf I believe [06:55] <dubnium> splatg, the .bin is in there "sleeping" [06:55] <hardw1re> but i can specify the path, but i dont know where that is [06:56] <vitriol> GrYpHoN: ok it sounds like you have the wrong driver [06:56] <vitriol> GrYpHoN: i'm 99% sure your card is supported [06:56] <pirving> well, I'm running a ubuntusetup.sh [06:56] <pirving> script [06:56] <vitriol> GrYpHoN: are you using a 64 bit environment by chance? [06:56] <GrYpHoN> Think? Hummm. Alright Ill try to load a different one. 128-bit [06:56] <pirving> it sucks, but its supposed to get everything setup for me after a fresh install instead of having to go find it all by myself [06:56] <hardw1re> (Kernel):[Linux 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic x86_64] [06:57] <Linux_Galore> hardw1re: apt will list all the files and paths for any package if you ask it to [06:57] <vitriol> GrYpHoN: another one to try would be bcmwl5.inf [06:57] <Ice9> how come my cd drives aren't auto mounting? [06:57] <vitriol> GrYpHoN: if you do a google search for it, you can find it pretty easily [06:57] <vitriol> (the driver file) [06:57] <vitriol> i would give you a url for it if i were in X :) [06:57] <hardw1re> Unpacking linux-source-2.6.10 (from .../linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-34.4_all.deb) <-- that means the source is now on my system right? [06:57] <splatg> dubnium: I'll try installing it and see if it works for me [06:57] <reka> pirving: dunno, just wait i guess [06:57] <GrYpHoN> Im using bcmwl5a.inf now but will try that one. Thanks [06:58] <Linux_Galore> hardw1re: yep [06:58] <dubnium> i duno if theres a way to remove it... you sure? [06:58] <splatg> yeah [06:58] <vitriol> GrYpHoN: you'll know when you have the right one because when you type 'dmesg' it'll tell you stuff about your wireless card [06:58] <hardw1re> hmmm [06:59] <vitriol> hardw1re: yes that means you have the linux kernel source.... [06:59] <hardw1re> Linux_Galore: whats the apt command to view where the source was install to? [06:59] <vitriol> hardw1re: ls /usr/src (it's in there) [06:59] <hardw1re> cheers vitriol [07:00] <Ice9> how come my cd drives aren't auto mounting? [07:00] <hardw1re> do i need to untar it? [07:00] <splatg> dubnium: ok I installed it into a folder on my desktop and it worked [07:00] <vitriol> hardw1re: is it a tar archive? [07:01] <splatg> have you tried killing the process and starting it again [07:01] <dubnium> yup [07:01] <vitriol> hardw1re: in other words ...does it end in .bz2? [07:01] <dubnium> you install it as user or root? [07:01] <hardw1re> .tar.bz2 [07:01] <hardw1re> yup [07:01] <vitriol> hardw1re: ok, to extract that file you need to do tar -jxf <filename> [07:02] <splatg> just as a regualar user, try what I did then [07:02] <vitriol> hardw1re: why do you need the kernel source? [07:02] <hardw1re> to install the nforce3 drivers [07:02] <vitriol> oohh [07:02] <vitriol> is this a third party driver or is it in the kernel? [07:02] <Ice9> how come my cd drives aren't auto mounting? [07:02] <splatg> it also looks like it just installs itself into the one "realplayer" folder so you should be able to remove it [07:03] <hardw1re> this is nvidia's driver, seeing as they make the nforce chipset :P [07:03] <vitriol> hardw1re: i don't know if you need the kernel source [07:03] <vitriol> hardw1re: there is a good chance you only need the kernel headers [07:03] <hardw1re> nah the installer is asking for the kernel source [07:03] <hardw1re> ERROR: Unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel. [07:04] <thoreauputic> !nvidia [07:04] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29 [07:04] <dubnium> splatg, did you chmod the installer or just go for it? [07:04] <vitriol> hardw1re: ah well sucks to be you :) [07:04] <splatg> chmod +x first [07:04] <c0rrupt> nnnnnnnnnniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiopopoooilk; [07:04] <splatg> then just ran it from a terminal [07:04] <vitriol> ahh well there you go hardw1re thanks thoreauputic [07:04] <killfill> could anyone show me a tipical output of "iwlist eth0 scan" please? [07:04] <hardw1re> thats for the graphics itself isnt it...? [07:05] <hardw1re> not for the chipset O_o ? [07:05] <Furic> I need to add the "noapic" kernel option to boot to fix motherboard issues, but whenever i run update-grub or sometimes just randomly /boot/grub/menu.lst gets changed to not have my boot option, how do i get around this? [07:05] <Furic> Do i put it on the # kopt line? [07:08] <PurpleMotion> there we go [07:08] <PurpleMotion> we got some convention up in this biotch now [07:08] <vitriol> *sigh* [07:08] <vitriol> upgrading from hoary to breezy is borken... [07:08] <vitriol> :( [07:08] <aeruder> how so? [07:08] <PurpleMotion> you all have >> after your nicks and before your messages [07:08] <MrPockets> if i have a pic i want as a splash screen, where do i put it? [07:08] <vitriol> aeruder: can't find my root fs when booting [07:09] <aeruder> i have a hard time believing that is a apt-get upgrade issue [07:09] <vitriol> aeruder: please convince me otherwise :) [07:10] <PurpleMotion> boy thats annoying [07:10] <vitriol> aeruder: i dare you to reboot [07:10] <vitriol> :p [07:10] <vitriol> i tried running the new kernel it installed [07:10] <vitriol> 2.6.12 [07:10] <vitriol> and it says it can't find my root fs [07:10] <vitriol> and thats from a server install of hoary [07:10] <aeruder> vitriol: yea, that's probably a bug in the new kernel then [07:10] <vitriol> to apt-get dist-upgrade to breezy [07:11] <aeruder> i compile my own kernels, so i doubt i'll have the problem ;) [07:11] <vitriol> damn you [07:11] <vitriol> :p [07:11] <fabbione> vitriol: the problem is initramfs [07:11] <fabbione> it's not a kernel issue [07:11] <vitriol> fabbione: is there a fix for it? [07:11] <brenner> !tell MrPockets about splashscreen [07:11] <PurpleMotion> ubotu, tell me about splashscreen [07:11] <fabbione> probably.. it depends from your setup.. file a bug on initramfs explaining all your hw [07:11] <syncron> hi [07:12] <PurpleMotion> cool [07:12] <fabbione> and where root is [07:12] <vitriol> fabbione: do you think i'd have the same problem if i used the colony 3 cd? [07:12] <PurpleMotion> ubotu, than you [07:12] <ubotu> PurpleMotion: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [07:12] <PurpleMotion> err thank you [07:12] <fabbione> vitriol: probably the fix is past colony 3 [07:12] <vitriol> :( [07:12] <fabbione> so either you dist-upgrade from the net [07:12] <vitriol> i don't know a think about initrd's [07:13] <aeruder> vitriol: can't you just use the old kernel/initrd ? [07:13] <vitriol> aeruder: yeah but i wanted that new kernel [07:13] <fabbione> or file a bug and jbailey will tell you what to do [07:13] <PurpleMotion> brb [07:13] <vitriol> aeruder: hoping it will fix my ati driver problems [07:13] <aeruder> vitriol: well, you could always compile your own [07:13] <fabbione> vitriol: we don't use initrd anymore. it's called initramfs.. a completely new thingy [07:13] <aeruder> vitriol: *shrug* [07:13] <YDU_RH9> Anyone tell me the default root password for the 5.04 live CD? [07:13] <fabbione> even if they have the same file name in /boot [07:13] <vitriol> aeruder: the last time i tried to compile my own on a debian based system it didn't go well (i've never built kernels before on systems that depended on an initrd [07:14] <aeruder> vitriol: there's nothing that depends on an initrd [07:14] <kirtis> YDU_RH9, I think you just do sudo whatever and it lets you w/o a password [07:14] <vitriol> oh my mistake [07:14] <aeruder> just compile your ide and filesystem drivers into the kernel [07:14] <YDU_RH9> kirtis: Roger that mate. Ta. [07:14] <hardw1re> does anyone know if there is an LG monitor driver file for linux? [07:14] <aeruder> vitriol: everything else you can leave as modules, initrd is only used to dynamically load modules that are essential to actually mounting the root fs [07:14] <vitriol> aeruder: oohh...so i just follow the typical make menuconfig;make;make modules_install steps ? [07:15] <aeruder> vitriol: and if you do your own kernel, there is no need for an initrd [07:15] <vitriol> sweet! [07:15] <aeruder> well, some of them boot with root=LABEL=/ [07:15] <vitriol> guess i'll try that then ;) [07:15] <aeruder> that would have to be changed to the actual device [07:15] <brenner> hardw1re: why? what probs are you having? [07:15] <aeruder> because the initrd handles that too [07:15] <jmark> is there a way to change the default cd-player application in gnome? so that I can have goobox play my audio cd's instead of the default cd-player? [07:16] <PurpleMotion> well,t hats weird [07:16] <PurpleMotion> oh well [07:16] <brenner> jmark: sys > prefs > removable [07:16] <kirtis> jmark, yea removable drives and media in system -> preferences. [07:16] <aeruder> vitriol: yep, just make sure you get your ide driver in and your root fs filesystem driver (ext3 or whatever) [07:16] <aeruder> and just forget about the initrd ;) [07:16] <Ice9> I have dma enabled, how come dvd playback is choppy with all the players? [07:16] <vitriol> aeruder: ok...great [07:16] <redtech> Im trying to add a new printer, but for some reason the only driver its showing now is Raw. What did I break? [07:16] <jmark> kirtis: thanks, checking that now. [07:17] <aeruder> vitriol: there's a way to compile your own ubuntuized kernels too [07:17] <dubnium> is ubuntu supposed to be on ext3? cause im on ext2? [07:17] <brenner> Ice9: you *sure* you have it enabled? [07:17] <aeruder> vitriol: and actually have a .deb for it and install [07:17] <aeruder> vitriol: although i generally don't worry about it [07:17] <vitriol> aeruder: is that easily explainable? [07:17] <vitriol> ok [07:17] <Ice9> yea, it says its enabled [07:17] <aeruder> vitriol: no idea [07:17] <vitriol> aeruder: i won't worry about it then [07:17] <vitriol> aeruder: i'm not in X right now so i have to go off of memory [07:17] <kirtis> dubnium, It's probably ext3, some things won't recognize the journal and see it as ext2 [07:17] <thoreauputic> dubnium: it shows as ext2 on boot - before the journal is started [07:17] <vitriol> i've built a gazillion kernels on LFS and gentoo though so it's not a big deal [07:18] <brenner> Ice9: using hdparm -d ? [07:18] <aeruder> vitriol: i've never bothered to figure it out, i mean, if you name your kernel sanely in /boot, and the modules will obviously go into /lib/modules/kernelver, it becomes rather simple to manually remove the kernel ;) [07:18] <dubnium> when i set up my partition I may have selected ext2 [07:18] <jmark> kirtis: so I just change gnome-cd --unique --play --device %d to goobox --unique --play --device %d [07:18] <vitriol> aeruder: true [07:18] <Ice9> brennder, yes [07:18] <Ice9> brenner* [07:18] <brenner> jmark: you'll have to check the syntax for the goobox command [07:18] <kirtis> jmark, no, probably just goobox. To see the options open up a terminal and do something like goobox --help and see what options it gives [07:18] <vitriol> aeruder: thanks :) hopefully this will fix my system [07:19] <aeruder> vitriol: cool, at least you gave me hope of being able to upgrade to breezy ;) [07:19] <GoClick> Does the amd64 iso work with the new Sempron 64 chips? the md5 of the disk was fine but it pooped installing initrd [07:19] <jmark> thanks brenner and kirtis [07:19] <hardw1re> right reboot time [07:19] <vitriol> aeruder: i didn't get errors upgrading, it's just the kernel [07:19] <aeruder> vitriol: yep, cool [07:19] <splatg> dubnum: it shouldn't really matter, ext3 is just ext2 with journalling [07:20] <aeruder> vitriol: i generally grab the latest kernel all the time, so i was always too impatient to wait ;) [07:20] <locomorto> GoClick: Just use the i386 edition [07:20] <locomorto> GoClick: its less pain as well (me looks at macromedia) [07:21] <brenner> Ice9: dunno, but i'd double check to see if you're enabling on the right device [07:21] <GoClick> Well that's less fun [07:21] <jmark> it looks like it is just goobox --play [07:21] <GoClick> How am I supposed to take advantage of the 64bitty goodness? What if I need to calculate imploding stars or something [07:21] <aeruder> dubnium: and it is ridiculously easy to change over to using ext3 if you are on ext2 [07:21] <aeruder> there are plenty of guides online about that [07:21] <aeruder> (and vice versa) [07:22] <vitriol> did somebody say 64bit? [07:22] <GoClick> vitriol me [07:22] <vitriol> :p [07:22] <vitriol> GoClick: you need the amd64 install cd [07:22] <GoClick> I've got it [07:23] <GoClick> it poopooed on me while installing initrd [07:23] <vitriol> awww [07:23] <jmark> brenner and kirtis: it looks like the only thing that needs to be removed is --unique [07:23] <vitriol> GoClick: hoary? [07:23] <Madpilot> someone please remind me what the command line for changing permissions is? not chown, but something else...? [07:23] <aeruder> Madpilot: chmod [07:23] <vitriol> Madpilot: chmod [07:23] <jmark> Madpilot: chmod [07:23] <vitriol> LOL [07:23] <vitriol> one question 3 people answer [07:23] <Madpilot> thanks everyone... :) [07:23] <Nathanial> Hi I'm trying to make my Ubuntu pc into an FTP server, any easy to use software? [07:24] <locomorto> GoClick: A sempron ain't for computing stuff [07:24] <vitriol> Nathanial: proftpd or vsftpd [07:24] <jmark> Nathanial: apt-get install proftp [07:24] <locomorto> GoClick: The diffrence is marginal anyway [07:24] <Nathanial> Where will I find it after installation? [07:24] <jmark> Nathanial: oops forgot the d , proftpd [07:24] <GoClick> vitriol Yeah [07:24] <vitriol> locomorto: you're just jealous of our 64 bit floating point calculations!! [07:25] <Nathanial> Uh where will I find it under after installation? Is it like a program? [07:25] <vitriol> GoClick: if that happens while you are installing you need to file a bug report :( sorry to hear it's doing that to you [07:25] <locomorto> Its where i do all my hard core compilmation [07:25] <navyn> hello [07:25] <GoClick> I may just have to do that [07:25] <GoClick> Althouhg I'm never a fan of using bugzilla [07:25] <vitriol> locomorto: you using the 64bit ubuntu? [07:26] <arbir> i got the live cd running on my laptop.. but internet does seem to work. i see the network name in the drop down list and i join it.. but i am not able to acquire a dhcp... but if i boot the machine with XP it aquired DHCP perfectly and internet works well. what could i be doing wrong ? [07:26] <locomorto> vitrol: yes [07:26] <vitriol> GoClick: you must be using some unusual hardware for that to happen...thats not a very common problem [07:27] <GoClick> vitriol I tried to get the most stock hardware I could, it's an Asus board and a geforce maxtor hd [07:27] <vitriol> locomorto: i just joined the 64 bit club a week ago [07:27] <vitriol> :) [07:27] <Klementas> when I add the ubuntu-calendar packages, isn't that supposed to be some kind of wallpaper for Gnome ? [07:27] <GoClick> pretty common stuff [07:27] <navyn> hey [07:27] <brenner> locomorto: i'm not that familiar with the amd line...is the sempron the equivalent of a celeron? [07:27] <locomorto> sort of [07:27] <GoClick> Yeah [07:27] <locomorto> its a bit more powerfull though [07:27] <vitriol> GoClick: what install cd are you using? [07:27] <vitriol> x86? [07:28] <GoClick> AMD64 [07:28] <jmark> Nathanial: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#ftpserver has a section in it about getting an ftp server up and running [07:28] <GoClick> ubuntu-5.04-install-amd64.iso [07:28] <vitriol> GoClick: i mean no insult...but you have an amd64 right? [07:28] <navyn> waswas [07:28] <brenner> locomorto: but it's still "below" a regular amd? [07:28] <locomorto> yes [07:28] <GoClick> Yeah it is [07:28] <brenner> ah ok [07:28] <GoClick> Or so the box says [07:29] <GoClick> 754pin Sempron [07:29] <vitriol> GoClick: ok. you can use the 386 or 686 install cd and see if those work [07:29] <vitriol> GoClick: ahh! [07:29] <arbir> nobody to help today ? :-( [07:29] <vitriol> GoClick: there is your problem! [07:29] <Gatton> doesn't it just have less cache? [07:29] <No1Viking> helloyo, I have a problem regarding language. In X-chat and other few applications my swedish characters do not work. The odd thing is that it works in most of the others like openoffice etc. Any ideas what to do about it? [07:29] <vitriol> GoClick: a sempron is not 64 bit [07:29] <vitriol> GoClick: you need the 686 install cd [07:29] <GoClick> vitriol the new ones are, this one even says it on the box [07:29] <vitriol> GoClick: really? interesting [07:30] <vitriol> GoClick: well the 686 install cd will work for you [07:30] <aeruder> No1Viking: define "do not work" and you'll get some more help [07:30] <vitriol> GoClick: i've used the 686 cd on my turion [07:30] <Nathanial> I installed vsftpd [07:30] <arbir> test [07:30] <arbir> test [07:30] <GoClick> But then I've paid for 32bits I'm not using :P [07:30] <Gatton> GoClick, if the cpu is new the 64 bit version may not be designed to work with it yet? [07:30] <vitriol> lol [07:30] <Madpilot> arbir: you are coming thru [07:30] <aeruder> No1Viking: do they not even type into the text prompt or don't send correctly or what? [07:30] <GoClick> Gatton could be :( [07:30] <GoClick> Oh well [07:30] <arbir> thanks Madpilot [07:30] <Gatton> depending on how different Sempron64 is from AMD64 [07:30] <arbir> i am stuck and now i am scared to install Ubuntu on my laptop [07:30] <vitriol> that blows my mind [07:30] <No1Viking> Well aeruder: I get other odd charachters instead of the ones I print [07:30] <vitriol> ...they're making 64 bit semprons now..... [07:31] <GoClick> Mostly it was just a way to get my boss to buy me a gig of ram tho too [07:31] <brenner> arbir: define stuck [07:31] <aeruder> No1Viking: what other apps you have problems with? [07:31] <arbir> Madpilot, can you help me? [07:31] <GoClick> Sempron 64 http://news.google.ca/news?hl=en&ned=&q=sempron+64&btnG=Search+News [07:31] <Madpilot> need a bit of CLI checking before I do something... to add user/write privs to a whole directory, it's going to be "chmod +R u+w", correct? [07:31] <No1Viking> Gaim and x-chat are the ones I know I have problems with [07:31] <jmark> arbir: what is the problem you are having? [07:31] <GoClick> Although the first few links there are no good [07:31] <Madpilot> arbir: I missed what your question was, sorry [07:32] <Gatton> GoClick, cool. I don't know how i missed that [07:32] <eps> does the ubuntu livecd provide a device.map from grub? [07:32] <aeruder> No1Viking: hrmmm... could be some sort of gtk2 issue [07:32] <arbir> i got the live cd running on my laptop.. but internet does seem to work. i see the network name in the drop down list and i join it.. but i am not able to acquire a dhcp... but if i boot the machine with XP it aquired DHCP perfectly and internet works well. what could i be doing wrong ? [07:33] <No1Viking> aeruder, yeah might be, dunno [07:33] <jmark> arbir:the internet works or doesn't work? [07:33] <arbir> specifying static is also not helping as i am unable to ping my gateway [07:33] <redtech> Im trying to add a new printer, but for some reason the only driver its showing now is Raw. What did I break? *SOLVED* [07:33] <arbir> no jmark it does not [07:34] <Ice9> yep, dma is definitely enabled, how come my dvd playback is still choppy?
 .. "but internet does seem to work"... [07:34] <brenner> :) [07:34] <brenner> Ice9: what player? [07:34] <jedix> Ice9: have support for your chipset? [07:34] <Ice9> vlc, mplayer, and xine [07:34] <jmark> do you see eth0 when you do a ifconfig [07:34] <Ice9> how do I check support for the chipset? [07:35] <arbir> jmark, yeah [07:35] <arbir> i even see that if i assign it a static ip, its properly assigned [07:35] <kirtis> Madpilot, i think you want chmod -R u+rw dir [07:36] <jmark> arbir: well, what kinda dhcp server are you using? [07:36] <arbir> brenner, i am on my desktop now [07:36] <arbir> jmark, i have a dlink router [07:36] <Madpilot> kirtis: thanks, I went ahead and experimented, figured most of it out! [07:36] <jmark> me too, hehe [07:37] <jmark> arbir: probably something setup wrong on the router [07:37] <arbir> jmark, if i boot with xp it works fine [07:37] <brenner> redtech: well done...how'd you solve it? [07:37] <Ice9> how do I check if I have support for my chipset? [07:37] <Gatton> arbir, so you don't get an ip at all? you are 169.254.x.x? [07:38] <aeruder> Gatton: uh, what? [07:38] <jmark> arbir: yeah, i'm not sure [07:38] <arbir> Gatton, with dhcp enabled i dont get an ip at all [07:38] <jedix> jesus [07:38] <arbir> if i specify one.. its 192.168.5.11 subnet 255.255.255.0 [07:38] <Gatton> arbir, when you boot the live cd...if you do ifconfig...you are getting what on eth0? 0.0.0.0? [07:38] <jedix> I can't make it through an install without a kernel panic [07:38] <arbir> Gatton, no i only see IPv6 values there [07:39] <SavantEdge> hi, I need some help.... [07:39] <Gatton> arbir, are you able to see your router? i guess not if you get no ip though [07:39] <jedix> correction, I can't make it through an install without many kernel panics. [07:39] <Gatton> damn peculiar [07:39] <arbir> no Gatton i cant ping anything at all :-() [07:39] <redtech> brenner, I made a mistake and changed the cups data directory in the cups.conf. I should be slapped [07:39] <Madpilot> SavantEdge: just ask your question; no need to ask to ask... [07:39] <aeruder> what network card? [07:39] <arbir> Gatton, let me try to aquire DHCP again [07:40] <Gatton> arbir, maybe take eth0 down and back up. ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 [07:40] <arbir> aeruder its the intel wireless card that comes with the dell inspiron 9300 [07:40] <brenner> redtech: lol, well you fixed it didn't you? it's all part of the learning experience. :) [07:40] <arbir> Gatton, let me try that... let me go up and see what my laptop is upto [07:40] <arbir> BRB in 2 ins [07:40] <arbir> mins [07:40] <Gatton> ok [07:41] <BTJustice> I have a SB Live! 7.1 24bit sound card. I used these directions (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307) to get it to work, but the sound is really choppy and scratchy. How can I fix that in Kubuntu? [07:41] <SavantEdge> When I download themes for GTK, where do they wind up? They don't seem to automatically appear in Theme Preferences. [07:41] <Ice9> how do I check if I have support for my chipset? [07:41] <kevin06> I have some stupid questions for anyone familair with Webmin. Am I correct in assuming a Master Zone is equal to a domain? And that a "slave" zone is equal to a sub-domain? [07:41] <redtech> brenner, indeed [07:42] <brenner> jedix: while you wait, search the forums for the errors you are getting [07:42] <kirtis> SavantEdge, Depends, if it's a simple theme without a seperate engine you can usually install it from the theme selection place, otherwise you'll probably have to do the old ./configure; make; make install [07:42] <Ice9> how do I check if I have support for my chipset? [07:43] <brenner> Ice9: from the wiki: "Most systems newer than 3 years support DMA" [07:43] <jedix> brenner: I would, but I'm installing using a tv and can't see the exact text output. [07:43] <SavantEdge> Well, I got them with Synaptic...I don't know where it puts them though for me to browse through with Theme Preferences [07:44] <Ice9> yes I know, I have dma enabled, according to everything [07:44] <Ice9> I just don't get why everything is so choppy [07:44] <kirtis> SavantEdge, Oh, well it's probably in /usr/share/themes/ but it should be showing up.. maybe a logout/login is required? [07:44] <syncron> hi [07:44] <Ice9> its not just dvds [07:44] <jedix> Ice9: check what modules are loaded [07:44] <Ice9> like when I minimize a window or something [07:44] <jedix> Ice9: lsmod [07:44] <Ice9> its choppy too [07:44] <Gatton> SavantEdge, maybe check ~/.themes? [07:44] <syncron> i'm having some problems with accessing files in my ntfs partition... [07:45] <brenner> Ice9: system specs? [07:45] <Ice9> jedix, what am I looking for? [07:45] <jedix> Ice9: and are you using hardware acceleration in playback? [07:45] <jedix> Ice9: sec [07:45] <BT_Justice> .nick BTJustice [07:45] <Ice9> brenner, its a p4 3.06 ghz, 3 gigs of ram [07:45] <brenner> Ice9: heh, probably not a problem then [07:46] <SavantEdge> Gatton, umm, ~ means /home, right? [07:46] <Gatton> right. do you have a .themes in home? [07:46] <aeruder> could someone please kickban Vedu-reklameris, he is using the channel for spam on exiting and entering [07:46] <brenner> SavantEdge: /home/<username> [07:46] <Ice9> yea, thats why this is driving me so crazy [07:46] <Ice9> and it took me forever just to learn how to enable dma, and its not even the problem [07:46] <jedix> Ice9: see if generic something or other is loaded [07:46] <Gatton> SavantEdge, make that /home/username but you probably figured that :-) [07:46] <SavantEdge> Yeah [07:46] <brenner> syncron: what problems? [07:47] <syncron> i mounted my windows partition to /media/windows but when i try and play some mp3 files, they crash my media player [07:47] <SavantEdge> Well, nothing in ~/.themes, but there's stuff in /usr/shar/themes, so I'm fiddling with that now. [07:47] <brenner> syncron: what media player? [07:47] <Ice9> jedix, there's no generic anything [07:47] <syncron> oh xmms and beep media player [07:47] <brenner> syncron: have you changed the output plugin to esoudn or alsa yet? [07:47] <brenner> *esound [07:48] <syncron> i tried copying the files over to /home too [07:48] <syncron> oh, no i haven't [07:48] <brenner> syncron: it's a sound system "problem" [07:48] <brenner> syncron: lot of people experience it with those 2 programs [07:48] <umboto> hey can someone kick the bot? [07:48] <brenner> i.e. problem was xmms/bmp, not your partition [07:48] <aeruder> he's in the process [07:48] <syncron> ic [07:48] <aeruder> umboto: i'd give it 5 seconds [07:49] <aeruder> ;) [07:49] <umboto> that Vedu-reklameris person is a bot [07:49] <umboto> advertising crap [07:49] <umboto> when i joined [07:49] <jedix> fuck, this install won't complete [07:49] <aeruder> umboto: yes, i know [07:49] <GoClick> Grrrr so mad, I feel bad to because while I sit here now burning my 15th Linux CD in the last 2 days I KNOW it's costing a lot of money :P [07:49] <umboto> ok [07:49] <aeruder> umboto: there are several people (including me) reporting him to staffers [07:49] <GoClick> We should have just bought a Dell :P [07:49] <aeruder> he'll be gone as soon as they setup the k-line ;) [07:49] <umboto> hey um..anyone here having a problem with firefox? [07:49] <umboto> for some reason every other reboot, firefox won't display [07:50] <umboto> i just get a starting firefox on the taskbar [07:50] <aeruder> umboto: run it on the console and see if any messages are printed [07:50] <umboto> and then it just exits [07:50] <No1Viking> What to do to get daemons, that I dont need, to not load when I boot again? [07:50] <umboto> i tried [07:50] <brenner> aeruder: weird, i haven't noticed him/her doing anything wrong. :-/ [07:50] <aeruder> s/console/in a terminal/ [07:50] <umboto> and it did nothing [07:50] <SavantEdge> another question, I'm trying to install a program which needs GTK+, which I thought was already installed by default on Ubuntu, but when I run ./configure, it reports its not. Where can I get it? (Program is gnome-mud-0.10.7, if it helps) [07:50] <Gatton> GoClick, what kind is it? [07:50] <aeruder> brenner: it is on join/part [07:50] <syncron> where can i change the plugin? sorry i'm a new linux user [07:50] <brenner> aeruder: when 'it' joins, parts? [07:50] <kirtis> SavantEdge, you need the developer package.. [07:51] <aeruder> brenner: no, when you join/part [07:51] <umboto> i tried running firefox in console with firefox %u [07:51] <aeruder> it spams ya ;) [07:51] <brenner> syncron: ctrl+p [07:51] <SavantEdge> ah, ok [07:51] <SavantEdge> thanks [07:51] <umboto> and it just likes thinks for a minute [07:51] <umboto> then goes to the next line [07:51] <umboto> with no errors [07:51] <aeruder> ;) [07:51] <umboto> im like hmm [07:51] <Madpilot> scratch one spammer... [07:51] <brenner> aeruder: ah, ok. :) [07:51] <syncron> k thanks [07:51] <GoClick> So I'm getting fairly familiar with Linux installing I must say I hope Ubuntu doesn't start getting installer envy because for it's pretty face installing Fedora is no fun [07:51] <bjw> anyone else getting this [07:52] <bjw> "Launching HTTP Cleaner" [07:52] <Ice9> anybody have any ideas why my video is so choppy? I have dma enabled [07:52] <bjw> thing [07:52] <arbi2> is back [07:52] <No1Viking> Another Q: What to do to get daemons, that I dont need, to not load when I boot next time? [07:52] <arbi2> cant get my wireless networking to work [07:52] <thoreauputic> umboto: just type "firefox" without the %u [07:52] <GoClick> The only thing I think I'd really like is some sort of thing to let me know it hasn't crashed, something spinny in the corner [07:52] <syncron> me neither, what kind of wireless card do you have? [07:52] <umboto> i also tried that [07:52] <kirtis> No1Viking, cd /etc/rc2.d/ and rm the links that you don't want. Or if you have breezy use services-admin [07:52] <umboto> nothing [07:52] <locomorto> No1Viking delete/move the script from /etc/init.d [07:52] <jmark> Ice9: mine is too, not sure why, though i'm on a slow machine by todays standards [07:52] <umboto> but don't worry guys it only happens every other reboot [07:53] <arbi2> syncron, its the one that comes with the dell inspiron 9300. i think its an intel card [07:53] <umboto> which i can't find out what causes it [07:53] <Ice9> jmark I'm not...lol [07:53] <brenner> No1Viking: as in services? [07:53] <syncron> ah, i have an inspiron 600m [07:53] <No1Viking> brenner: yes [07:53] <fortyoz> How do i make it so when my gf logs in with her username, everything is in spanish? the default system language is english [07:53] <umboto> next time ill just restart x instead of rebooting [07:53] <jmark> <-- suffering from puter envy [07:53] <brenner> No1Viking: you can install rcconf or one of the other apps like it to easily disable/enable those [07:53] <arbi2> syncron, the best part is.. it works well when i boot with XP [07:54] <arbi2> syncron, and also in ubuntu.. i see the wireless network name [07:54] <No1Viking> Take the services away since I dont need, for ex postfix [07:54] <thoreauputic> !bum [07:54] <ubotu> bum is probably a graphical BootUp Manager; see http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html [07:54] <thoreauputic> No1Viking: ^^^ see ubotu [07:54] <arbi2> syncron, but i cam unable to aquire a DHCP [07:54] <BTJustice> I need help with a SB Live! 7.1 24 bit sound card. I used these instructions to get it to work (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307), but the sound is choppy and scratchy. How can I fix this? [07:55] <jedix> damnit [07:55] <jedix> this sucks, I can't get the installer to finish [07:55] <GoClick> jedix where is it quitting? [07:55] <jedix> and this is the computer with the cd burner so I can't burn another iso [07:55] <ian> how long does it usually take to get GAIM updates into ubuntu? [07:55] <arbi2> test [07:55] <arbi2> test [07:55] <jedix> GoClick: 16% of the grub install [07:55] <GoClick> arbi2 we can see you [07:56] <jedix> detecting other operating systems [07:56] <GoClick> jedix what kind of hardware? [07:56] <arbi2> thanks .. i got kicked out and lost my arbir nickname [07:56] <GoClick> Do you have any other OSes? [07:56] <jedix> GoClick: amd64 sata drive [07:56] <jedix> I think the problem is that it sees the xfs partitions [07:56] <arbi2> any idea if i can make my wireless card to work ? [07:56] <jedix> because it crashed earlier when I tried to mount those in the partition section [07:57] <GoClick> arbi2 do you have a driver disk? [07:57] <GoClick> Or some sort of driver from the manufacturer? [07:57] <arbi2> arbi2, no.. i dont and GoClick Ubuntu has recognized my wireless card [07:57] <jedix> GoClick: nope [07:57] <GoClick> My experiance so far with WiFi under Linux is that it's spotty at best if you don't have drivers directly from the manufacturer [07:57] <izette_> How do I install an older kernel in ubuntu? 2.6 kernels break my Rio500 [07:58] <jedix> GoClick: two xfs partitions and two ext3 [07:58] <GoClick> arbi2 what's it NOT doing then? [07:58] <arbi2> if i can see the wireless network name in the drop down [07:58] <arbi2> GoClick, its not able to ping my gateway [07:58] <arbi2> i cant get to the net [07:58] <GoClick> Can you get an IP from the DHCP server? [07:58] <brenner> ian: if you're talking about main, universe and multiverse, afaik, security updates only....not sure about backports and extras though [07:58] <arbi2> dhcp does not aquire addy [07:58] <jedix> GoClick: maybe I can use a live cd to boot and debootstrap [07:59] <ian> brenner: there's a remote crasher in 1.4 [07:59] <GoClick> jedix that's an idea [07:59] <GoClick> I'm not a grub expert so I won't be able to help with that persay [07:59] <GoClick> I'd probably just install all over [08:00] <Ice9> anybody have any ideas why my video is so choppy? I have dma enabled [08:00] <GoClick> arbir by chance are you trying to use an open key in a shared key system? [08:00] <Tom-W> playing from hd or cd ? [08:00] <psurani> guys, i installed wget, now how to start it ? [08:00] <brenner> ian: what version is in bp? [08:00] <arbi2> GoClick, nothing like that.. i just got the router a couple of days back. its running totaly insecure [08:00] <GoClick> psurani wget http://wwww.example.com/file.ext [08:01] <brenner> psurani: *chuckle* you need to learn the syntax [08:01] <Gatton> type wget lol [08:01] <GoClick> and it works under Windows right? [08:01] <psurani> GoClick, theres not GUI for wget ? [08:01] <Madpilot> psurani: "man wget" will get you the wget manual [08:01] <brenner> psurani: or you could use gwget2 for a very limited GUI interface [08:01] <GoClick> wget isn't exactly a gui kinda thing [08:01] <psurani> GoClick, , does wget support resume for downloading ? even if PC gets rebooted by mistake ? [08:01] <GoClick> it just for downloading one or two files off http [08:01] <GoClick> psurani HTTP does NOT support resume of any kind [08:01] <GoClick> Atleast not vanila HTTP [08:02] <BTJustice> I need help with a SB Live! 7.1 24 bit sound card. I used these instructions to get it to work (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307), but the sound is choppy and scratchy. How can I fix this? [08:02] <psurani> GoClick, , in windows we have few download managers that support resume for both http and ftp ? [08:02] <thoreauputic> GoClick: rubbish - wget -c will resume from a n aborted download [08:02] <GoClick> yes but it's not part of the HTTP 1.1 spec [08:02] <Madpilot> psurani: I think firefox's dl manager supports resuming; I know that Opera's dl manager will [08:02] <brenner> psurani: in linux distros, we have many :) [08:02] <GoClick> I refuse to support crazy crap like that [08:02] <GoClick> It defeats the point of standards [08:02] <ian> brenner: bp? umm, I'm not sure, I'm using 1.4 and there's no option to upgrade [08:03] <brenner> ian: backports [08:03] <arbi2> test [08:03] <arbi2> test [08:03] <GoClick> arbi2 you might wanna look into using the Network's nickserv [08:03] <izette_> does ubuntu have something similiar to backports.org [08:03] <brenner> !backports [08:03] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section [08:03] <Madpilot> !repos [08:03] <ubotu> hmm... repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [08:04] <psurani> !uname -a [08:04] <ubotu> I don't know, psurani [08:04] <brenner> heh, bettter link :) [08:04] <arbi2> GoClick, what is that [08:04] <Madpilot> izette_: see the bottom of the AddingRepos page [08:04] <psurani> !uname -a [08:04] <PurpleMotion> uname -a: [08:04] <PurpleMotion> Linux psilocybin 2.6.10-5-686 #1 Fri Jun 24 17:33:34 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux [08:04] <GoClick> arbi2 go /msg nickserv help [08:04] <Madpilot> psurani: you're not in a terminal windown, you know... [08:04] <psurani> !uname -a [08:04] <ubotu> psurani: Are you smoking crack? [08:04] <Madpilot> *window [08:04] <psurani> !uname -a [08:04] <thoreauputic> psurani: umm - why are you asking the bot to give kernel info? [08:05] <Tom-W> lol [08:05] <Gatton> psurani i think you want to type that in your terminal not here heh [08:05] <esc_ape> anyone have the problem with gaim where it appears & then quickly disappears when you click on it? [08:05] <GoClick> arbi2 it's great for killing your old ghosts once you get it figured out [08:05] <psurani> who is ubotu ? [08:05] <thoreauputic> !ubotu [08:05] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/ [08:05] <Madpilot> !ubotu [08:05] <Tom-W> ! cat /proc/pci :-) [08:05] <arbi2> GoClick, yeah rigght... [08:05] <ubotu> No idea, Tom-W [08:05] <Gatton> arbi2, if you're registered you can use a recover command to get your nick back [08:05] <arbi2> is sleepy now [08:05] <odyssey23> hey guys i'm looking at getting into ubuntu.... [08:05] <Gatton> hmmm i don't think i'm registered come to think of it [08:05] <arbi2> cant figure out his wifi network [08:05] <GoClick> arbi2 what do you mean yeah right? [08:06] <PurpleMotion> not registered [08:06] <PurpleMotion> how dare you [08:06] <GoClick> odyssey23 what are you wondering? [08:06] <esc_ape> odyssey - I'm a new to ubuntu as well [08:06] <arbi2> GoClick, i meant that i did see that today and i registered with a password [08:06] <odyssey23> can anyone email me a user manual? [08:06] <arbi2> GoClick, i need to do some more rtfm [08:06] <odyssey23> hey esc_ape :") [08:06] <arbi2> GoClick, and right now. i am dead tired :-( [08:06] <Gatton> hehe [08:06] <pauldaoust> hey, folks, you know those crappy new audio chipsets whose volume controls are entirely software-based (and thus are only supported with the Windows drivers)? [08:06] <Gatton> am now! [08:06] <Madpilot> odyssey23: http://wiki.ubuntu/com - have a look around there [08:06] <pauldaoust> has anyone devised a workaround for these chips so that you can control the mixing from Linux? [08:07] <PurpleMotion> Madpilot: said http://www.ubuntu could not be found, please check the spelling and try again [08:07] <pauldaoust> wow, that made everyone go real quiet ^_^ [08:07] <odyssey23> i had it on me new (well bought a ebay comp... small but new for us lol) comp but couldnt work it out so i'm getting a full version off a distributer but i couldnt work out how to install a modem :( [08:07] <GoClick> PurpleMotion I'll be sure to let the authorities know :P [08:07] <arbi2> bye all [08:07] <Tom-W> is it like the ndisrapper driver for a soundcard? [08:07] <DekaPink> Can I set xchat to auto-accept file transfers? :3 [08:07] <PurpleMotion> GoClick: I got a number for them around here somewhere, holdon while i check [08:08] <BTJustice> I need help with a SB Live! 7.1 24 bit sound card. I used these instructions to get it to work (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307), but the sound is choppy and scratchy. How can I fix this? [08:08] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion odyssey23: sorry, typo. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ [08:08] <brenner> pauldaoust: if it helps, i've heard of the issue, search the wiki and forum while you wait [08:08] <pauldaoust> tom-W: I doubt there's anything like that; I think ALSA is a different fish from modem drivers... although I suspect it's not too hugely different. [08:08] <GoClick> PurpleMotion isn't it 1-800-YAY-DMCA heh? [08:08] <odyssey23> ohh thanx i'll look at that :) [08:08] <pauldaoust> brenner: thanks; I'll check it [08:08] <PurpleMotion> but considering the quality is less than tv (80mb per 42min episode) and the fact that im not distributing them, i would imagine they'll tell you to bugger off [08:08] <psurani> gwget2 supports resume, even if PC reboots by mistake ???? [08:08] <psurani> !gwget2 [08:08] <ubotu> psurani: Are you on ritalin? [08:08] <psurani> !mad ? [08:09] <ubotu> Wish i knew, psurani [08:09] <brenner> psurani: depends on where the file is hosted [08:09] <pauldaoust> tom-W: I think these chipsets are a hack, their Win drivers are a hack, and... well, I'm looking for another hack from Linux ^_^ [08:09] <Madpilot> psurani: if you've got it installed, go to a terminal and type "man gwget2" [08:09] <brenner> psurani: some sites disable resuming [08:09] <pauldaoust> * for Linux, not from Linux [08:09] <crimsun> BTJustice: did you try plughw:0,0? [08:09] <thoreauputic> psurani: search in synaptic for Downloader for X - you might be happier with that [08:09] <Gatton> what? ubotu doesn't have the sum of all human knowledge? ;) [08:09] <odyssey23> has anyone got the user manual/guide file they can send me so i can do some reading up on it also? [08:09] <psurani> how to make gwget a default dl manager ? [08:10] <thoreauputic> psurani: or just type sudo apt-get install d4x [08:10] <pauldaoust> I'm all excited; I've been commissioned to deploy a Linux network for a local private school with a limited computer budget. [08:10] <BTJustice> crimsun, I never ehard of it but will try [08:10] <brenner> odyssey23: all online afaik [08:10] <PurpleMotion> Gatton: i was surprised at how little ubotu had... [08:10] <PurpleMotion> ubotu, tell Gatton about yourself [08:10] <odyssey23> sorry? [08:10] <Gatton> PurpleMotion, i suppose it's up to us to add? [08:10] <Gatton> :-) [08:10] <PurpleMotion> sure is [08:10] <jedix> GoClick: my knoppix doesn't seem to support my hardware [08:10] <pauldaoust> (well, maybe 'commissioned' is bending the truth... more like, I convinced the principal to try out Linux because it would cut down maintenance) [08:10] <crimsun> BTJustice: are you using ALSA directly or arts/esound? [08:10] <BTJustice> crimsun: Where do I do that at? It doesn't work in the terminal. [08:11] <Madpilot> odyssey23: there really isn't one user manual that's emailable. start at www.ubuntu.com and check around [08:11] <brenner> odyssey23: there aren't any hard-copies of manuals/guides. [08:11] <jedix> I'm back to trying to get ubuntu to take off the install cd [08:11] <BTJustice> crimsun: As far as I know ALSA [08:11] <GoClick> WGET does support resume, it's that the resume methods aren't always supported by servers [08:11] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: ubotu is still a young bot with much to learn ;) [08:11] <odyssey23> ohh so the disc itself dosnt come with one? [08:11] <crimsun> BTJustice: lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* [08:11] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: agreed [08:11] <brenner> pauldaoust: crimsun might now of your issue...he's the sound guru in here [08:11] <Madpilot> odyssey23: there's a Ubuntu Help thing in the install, but the wiki and here are frankly better! [08:11] <brenner> *know [08:11] <Gatton> odyssey23, i doubt it. the wiki and forums are very helpful [08:11] <pauldaoust> brenner: funky! [08:12] <azriel0184> is it possible to get something to run very early in the boot up procedure? (before mounting local file systems) [08:12] <Gatton> ubuntuguide helped me out a lot too but i don't know if that info is getting old? [08:12] <BTJustice> kmix 8543 btjustice 10u CHR 116,0 8588 /dev/snd/controlC0 [08:12] <SavantEdge> right, so I'm trying to do ./configure again after downloading some of the packages it mentions, and now it ends with this: [08:12] <SavantEdge> checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes [08:12] <SavantEdge> checking for GMUD_CFLAGS... [08:12] <SavantEdge> checking for GMUD_LIBS... [08:12] <SavantEdge> Package libgnome-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. [08:12] <SavantEdge> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libgnome-2.0.pc' [08:12] <odyssey23> ohh ok so sorry (i know i might sound simple) but wiki is a different version of ubuntu? [08:12] <SavantEdge> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable [08:12] <SavantEdge> No package 'libgnome-2.0' found [08:12] <SavantEdge> configure: error: Package requirements (libgnome-2.0 >= 2.0.0 [08:12] <SavantEdge> libgnomeui-2.0 >= 2.0.0 [08:12] <SavantEdge> vte >= 0.10.26 [08:12] <brenner> SavantEdge: DON'T paste [08:12] <SavantEdge> libglade-2.0 >= 2.0.1) were not met. [08:12] <SavantEdge> Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you [08:12] <pauldaoust> crimsun: are you familiar with the issue involving these stupid new audio chipsets and their stupid mixers, that seem to be controllable only by the Windows driver? it's almost like a winmodem for the sound world :) [08:12] <SavantEdge> installed software in a non-standard prefix. [08:12] <SavantEdge> Alternatively you may set the GMUD_CFLAGS and GMUD_LIBS environment variables [08:12] <SavantEdge> to avoid the need to call pkg-config. See the pkg-config man page for [08:12] <thoreauputic> !lart SavantEdge [08:12] <Madpilot> odyssey23: no, the wiki is that URL I gave you earlier - wiki.ubuntu.com [08:12] <SavantEdge> more details. [08:12] <SavantEdge> Could someone tell me what that means? [08:13] <PurpleMotion> or [08:13] <crimsun> pauldaoust: depends on the chipset and thus, driver [08:13] <odyssey23> ohh k... loading it now... :) [08:13] <odyssey23> brb [08:13] <Madpilot> SavantEdge: it means that you need to use pastebin, please! [08:13] <PurpleMotion> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki [08:13] <PurpleMotion> or [08:13] <SavantEdge> whats pastebin? [08:13] <Ice9> "/usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage: line 175: fakeroot: command not found"how do I fix that? [08:13] <Madpilot> !paste [08:13] <PurpleMotion> www.ubuntu.com/wiki [08:13] <ubotu> well, paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text [08:13] <PurpleMotion> or [08:13] <thoreauputic> SavantEdge: given that you just spammed the channel, I doubt many people will want to help [08:13] <azriel0184> is it possible to get something to run very early in the boot up procedure? (before mounting local file systems) [08:13] <PurpleMotion> wiki8.ubuntulinux.org [08:13] <PurpleMotion> err [08:13] <PurpleMotion> wiki. [08:13] <PurpleMotion> !wiki [08:13] <pauldaoust> crimsun: ah. so some of these crappy new chipsets have ALSA drivers that software-control the volume? [08:13] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: one URL is probably enough... ;) [08:13] <odyssey23> GREAT thanx... :) [08:14] <PurpleMotion> Madpilot: just being anally thorough [08:14] <odyssey23> be back soon... i'll go have a look :") [08:14] <crimsun> BTJustice: ok, so you're using ALSA directly. Try telling amarok to use alsasink device=plughw:0,0 [08:14] <psurani> guys, how to install emule in ubuntu ? [08:14] <crimsun> BTJustice: (presuming you're using the amarok-gstreamer engine) [08:14] <crimsun> pauldaoust: certain ones are limited by hardware design, yes [08:14] <BTJustice> crimsun: How do I do that plese? [08:14] <GoClick> when you install Ubuntu 5.04 what's the default root password? [08:15] <Madpilot> GoClick: no such thing [08:15] <Madpilot> !root [08:15] <ubotu> methinks root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo [08:15] <PurpleMotion> GoClick: there isn't one, look what ubotu said [08:15] <Madpilot> GoClick: see ubotu ^^^ [08:15] <GoClick> sounds good to me [08:15] <crimsun> pauldaoust: where the underlying hardware supports multiopen and the manufacturer has provided specs, full hardware accel is available in the ALSA driver [08:15] <psurani> !emule [08:15] <ubotu> psurani: Bugger all, i dunno [08:15] <BTJustice> Great lightning storm. I'll probably lose my power. [08:15] <GoClick> This is a very good idea [08:15] <Gatton> psurani, try sudo apt-get install amule [08:15] <crimsun> BTJustice: I presume you use Amarok? [08:16] <pauldaoust> crimsun: oh, so maybe the problem isn't in the chipsets; maybe it's in the driver, which could still be alpha? [08:16] <psurani> Gatton, ahh thnx [08:16] <pauldaoust> crimsun: actually, I've disabled the sound card in the BIOS so I'd have an easier time installing and using a PCI sound card... so I can't go 'lspci' to find out what sorta chipset I have. I guess I'll have to wait another day ^_^ [08:16] <odyssey23> # [08:16] <odyssey23> WartyWarthog - Version 4.10. Previous stable release; supported until April 2006. (BugTracking) [08:16] <odyssey23> # [08:16] <odyssey23> HoaryHedgehog - Version 5.04. Use this if you want the most stable Ubuntu system. (BugTracking) [08:16] <odyssey23> # [08:16] <odyssey23> BreezyBadger [08:16] <BTJustice> amaroK 1.2 [08:16] <odyssey23> ohh crap sorry :( [08:16] <Tom-W> emule is only win-32 so you would need wine [08:16] <pauldaoust> could try amule... [08:16] <Madpilot> !+amule [08:16] <ubotu> Madpilot: Not a clue [08:16] <crimsun> pauldaoust: it depends on the chipset(s) - which are you wanting to use with Ubuntu? [08:16] <GoClick> Is there an easy way to add more refresh rates to the resoltion configuration thingy? [08:17] <PurpleMotion> ubotu, emule is one of the lowest quality P2P programs available. People should take a look at LimeWire (http://www.LimeWire.Com), but if you MUST use eMule, the website is: http://www.emule-project.net [08:17] <ubotu> okay, PurpleMotion [08:17] <brenner> !tell GoClick about fixres [08:17] <crimsun> BTJustice: ok, do you have amarok-gstreamer installed? [08:17] <psurani> !ubotu [08:17] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/ [08:17] <Gatton> odyssey23, you are getting hoary 5.04 right? [08:17] <BTJustice> crimsun: Let me look. [08:17] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: there is amule for Gnome - I assume that uses the emule network things? [08:17] <PurpleMotion> Madpilot: it's the mule engine that sucks [08:18] <PurpleMotion> Madpilot: limewire is 1000% better [08:18] <pauldaoust> crimsun: like I said, it looks like I disabled the onboard sound in the BIOS, so I can't find out :) guess I'll have to deal with it later. [08:18] <psurani> The following packages have unmet dependencies: [08:18] <psurani> amule: Depends: libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0) but it is not installable [08:18] <psurani> Depends: libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-4) but it is not installable [08:18] <psurani> Depends: libwxgtk2.4 (>= 2.4.2.6) but it is not going to be installed [08:18] <psurani> E: Broken packages [08:18] <PurpleMotion> !paste [08:18] <ubotu> paste is, like, please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text [08:18] <psurani> what to do in this case ? [08:18] <pauldaoust> !wheeeeeeeee [08:18] <ubotu> pauldaoust: I give up, what is it? [08:18] <Madpilot> psurani: do you have the Universe & Multiverse repos installed? [08:18] <pauldaoust> ubotu: just trying to confuse you ,that's all ^_^ [08:18] <ubotu> pauldaoust: Do they come in packets of five? [08:18] <_frank> psurani: did you install stuff from debian? [08:18] <PurpleMotion> psurani: try: sudo apt-get -f install amule [08:18] <psurani> Madpilot, yeah [08:18] <pauldaoust> ubotu: only on Wednesdays. [08:18] <ubotu> pauldaoust: I don't know, could you explain it? [08:19] <pauldaoust> ubotu: nm [08:19] <ubotu> pauldaoust: Did you get hit by a windmill? [08:19] <Gatton> pauldaoust, having fun? ;) [08:19] <thoreauputic> !botabuse [08:19] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned. [08:19] <i4> is there anyway to gleam someones ip from an instant messenger? [08:19] <BTJustice> crimsun: No it is not installed. I ma installing it now. [08:19] <pauldaoust> my word... I'll quit while I'm behind ^_^ [08:19] <psurani> PurpleMotion, , it didnt helped [08:19] <brenner> thoreauputic: *thank* you, :) [08:19] <psurani> not from debian [08:19] <PurpleMotion> psurani: dunno then. dont install from debian archives ;) [08:19] <psurani> i m in ubuntu [08:19] <_frank> psurani: did you install stuff from non ubuntu repositories? [08:20] <pauldaoust> Gatton: immense amounts of fun. It's sad, though, because you can't say you're screwing with the bot's mind, because it doesn't have one. [08:20] <azriel0184> is it possible to get something to run very early in the boot up procedure? (before mounting local file systems) [08:20] <psurani> yeah [08:20] <BTJustice> crimsun: Done. [08:20] <brenner> anyway, too busy for my liking...later [08:20] <odyssey23> gatton i donno? how do i do that my friend has the ubuntu free version he got posted to him [08:20] <crimsun> BTJustice: now in the Engine preference for Amarok, make sure you have the gstreamer engine selected [08:20] <PurpleMotion> odyssey23: ubuntu is free. [08:20] <Madpilot> pauldaoust: you can /msg ubotu <whatever> and have fun in private without being kicked from the channel... [08:20] <Madpilot> odyssey23: Ubuntu is always free. [08:20] <pauldaoust> Madpilot: okay, okay... I'm sorry; I've just never talked to a bot before so I got a little too excited. [08:20] <odyssey23> i knw its great.. :") [08:21] <Gatton> odyssey23, you can download the iso from ubuntulinux.org. I'm assuming that's what you want to do right? [08:21] <BTJustice> crimsun: The only one there is aRts Engine [08:21] <jedix> okay [08:21] <odyssey23> my friend was sent about 10 copies free to disrtubute so i'm going to get that cd off him.. [08:21] <jedix> the install cd can't handle xfs it seems [08:21] <crimsun> BTJustice: is there a blank selection? The gstreamer engine is mistitled [08:22] <Gatton> odyssey23, got it. yea they send out free cds. so you don't have it yet? [08:22] <odyssey23> its on another machine and well wehn i had it on i couldnt get the modem to work... so i put fedora core and that confused me more so i'm going back to ubuntu as i would reslly like to go linux [08:22] <odyssey23> as microsoft are scammers [08:22] <PurpleMotion> ubotu, start an editor war [08:22] <ubotu> kate is better than xemacs [08:22] <BTJustice> crimsun: I have it on the list now and selected. [08:22] <crimsun> jedix: in what way? It detected my XFS partitions just fine. [08:22] <odyssey23> will get it tonight [08:22] <PurpleMotion> is emacs ever better than anything? [08:23] <Tom-W> vi [08:23] <PurpleMotion> I can't imagine it being worse than vi [08:23] <PurpleMotion> heh [08:23] <jedix> crimsun: it fails to mount my xfs partitions and throws an oops [08:23] <Gatton> emacs is better than papyrus and a sharp rock [08:23] <IronMan_> viw is better [08:23] <crimsun> jedix: Hoary? [08:23] <odyssey23> gatton: so is the one you mentioned on that cd? [08:23] <Tom-W> try Xemacs [08:23] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: check the syntax of that ubotu command... ;) emacs only appears in the right-and side of the "is better than" line... [08:23] <jedix> crimsun: I think so [08:24] <crimsun> BTJustice: ok, now choose customsink, and in it, type: alsasink device=plughw:0,0 [08:24] <PurpleMotion> how do you check the syntax? [08:24] <Madpilot> !list [08:24] <ubotu> well, list is you can see a list of things I know at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage [08:24] <Gatton> odyssey23, depends on how old it is. if he received it recently it should have hoary 5.04 on it which is what most of us are using [08:24] <i4> would it be strange to have port 631 open on my computer if i do not have a printer installed? [08:24] <Gatton> it's the latest stable release [08:24] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: ^^^ it's searchable, just search for editor or something [08:24] <crimsun> jedix: what does the kernel log say? (alt+F[34] ) [08:24] <odyssey23> and easier to use? [08:24] <Gatton> odyssey23, 5.04 = april 2005 as you might have guessed [08:25] <Gatton> odyssey23, i think it's just about the easiest linux i've ever used [08:25] <Chousuke> i4: not if you have the printer server installed. [08:25] <odyssey23> ok great...thats my cup of tea lol [08:25] <Gatton> i was using suse 9.2 before ubuntu and that was a very nice distro also [08:25] <thoreauputic> i4: no - it's just listening on the loopback interface [08:25] <Gatton> odyssey23, i hope you don't have any modem issues. i had no hardware troubles at all when i installed. everything worked. [08:25] <BTJustice> crimsun: I only have osssink, autoaudiosink, gconfaudiosink, and nassink. [08:25] <Madpilot> odyssey23: the download page is here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/ [08:25] <odyssey23> if he has an older version do the newer ones (waiting for that in the mail) update automatic? [08:25] <jedix> crimsun: I just rebooted to try amd64 install [08:26] <Gatton> i had a few glitches but between the wiki, forums and this channel everything got worked out [08:26] <jedix> that worked before [08:26] <thoreauputic> i4: it isn't open from outside, in other words [08:26] <jedix> but I don't want to run 64 [08:26] <Gatton> odyssey23, not auto but you can upgrade the whole distro i believe [08:26] <odyssey23> well to be honest i couldnt even work out how to install a modem *blush* [08:26] <Gatton> odyssey23, understandable. linux isn't always forgiving when things don't work [08:26] <odyssey23> ok :) [08:26] <crimsun> BTJustice: you can use gconfaudiosink. Be sure you configure that, though, using gstreamer-properties. [08:27] <odyssey23> i fell a lil better lol [08:27] <Gatton> odyssey23, one nice thing is that if you get a hold of the live cd you can test everything before you install [08:27] <odyssey23> but to give it credit i didnt spend much time with it... got a little "i cant do this" and bummed out too soon :) [08:27] <BTJustice> crimsun: IF I select that, how do I get to gstreamer-properties? [08:27] <odyssey23> yeh? that would be much better for me [08:27] <crimsun> BTJustice: execute it from a Konsole [08:28] <odyssey23> get warmed to it before i dive in... thats a good idea!:) [08:28] <Madpilot> be back in a bit, I've got to shut down to plug a hard drive in... first downtime in 10 days... :( [08:28] <PurpleMotion> Madpilot: how would i teach it one of those? i try to and it says "What are yout alking about?" [08:28] <Gatton> odyssey23, yea you can boot the cd and it will detect all your hardware. you can go online etc all running from cd. no installation [08:28] <Madpilot> odyssey23: some stuff that worked after install didn't work on the LiveCD for me - it's not perfect, but it's very very good [08:28] <crimsun> BTJustice: ('gnome-media' package) [08:28] <BTJustice> crimsun: I use Kubuntu with Gnome. [08:28] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: "ubotu <something> is <blurb about something>" [08:29] <odyssey23> ohh ok...thanx for that madpilot :") [08:29] <BTJustice> crimsun: I use Kubuntu without Gnome. [08:29] <crimsun> BTJustice: otherwise, you can also test using aplay: aplay -Dplughw:0,0 /usr/share/sounds/foo.wav [08:29] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: ubotu <keyword> is <explanation or link> [08:29] <PurpleMotion> yeah i got that, holdon [08:29] <odyssey23> thats a reall good idea... ok another question is: [08:29] <Madpilot> be back in a bit... [08:30] <odyssey23> my comp is 6 gig HDD, 450mz , pentium II and 205 mb ram... will it work on that? [08:30] <thoreauputic> odyssey23: yes [08:30] <odyssey23> (i know stone age size comp lol... all we could afford) [08:30] <psurani> guys, i lost my sources.list data :( what to do now ? [08:30] <Gatton> odyssey23, it won't be a speed demon but it will work. ubuntu is one cd install so it's not huge [08:30] <aeruder> odyssey23: it'll work great [08:30] <Gatton> odyssey23, i haven't tried it on older hardware but so far what i've heard has been positive [08:30] <odyssey23> even with the extra packages? [08:30] <thoreauputic> odyssey23: I got ubuntu installed on a pentium 200mmx 64MB RAM :) [08:31] <PurpleMotion> !start a distro war [08:31] <ubotu> hmm... start a distro war is ubuntu is better than suse [08:31] <Gatton> odyssey23, you mean the extras cd? or packages from apt-get? [08:31] <PurpleMotion> hrmm [08:31] <odyssey23> what size HDD? [08:31] <BTJustice> crimsun: /usr/share/sounds/foo.wav: No such file or directory [08:31] <PurpleMotion> ill fix it [08:31] <aeruder> odyssey23: you won't be able to install every package of course [08:31] <psurani> exit [08:31] <aeruder> odyssey23: but 6 gigs is more than enough [08:31] <crimsun> BTJustice: foo is a placeholder for a real filename [08:31] <Gatton> psurani i will miss you [08:31] <thoreauputic> odyssey23: that computer has enough space and RAM - it won't be fast but OK [08:31] <PurpleMotion> !start a distro war [08:31] <ubotu> PurpleMotion: I don't know [08:31] <odyssey23> i mean the basics... programs to burn cd's, office, photo upload ummm webdesign [08:31] <PurpleMotion> damnit [08:32] <thoreauputic> odyssey23: sure [08:32] <aeruder> odyssey23: yea, you shouldn't have any problem, might get a bit tight on the disk space depending on how much you use in your home dir [08:32] <odyssey23> its gotta be better then win98 on a 2 gig and god knows what ram etc lol [08:32] <azriel0184> is it possible to get something to run very early in the boot up procedure? (before mounting local file systems) [08:32] <BTJustice> crimsun: It played, but it is really scratchy and poppy [08:32] <crimsun> azriel0184: where would the data originate, from the initramfs/initrd? [08:32] <ColonelKernel> anythings better than win98 on a 2g [08:32] <crimsun> BTJustice: try ALSA 1.0.10rc1, then [08:33] <odyssey23> yeh tight on space huh?...mmm how come i have all that on a 2 gig with win 98 and still have like a gig left? [08:33] <crimsun> BTJustice: you'll need to do a cvs checkout of alsa-driver [08:33] <aeruder> ColonelKernel: when i set up my partitions, i setup winxp, win2k and win98 with 2.5 gig parts [08:33] <odyssey23> lol my point :P [08:33] <aeruder> ColonelKernel: it wasn't pretty :) [08:33] <azriel0184> from /sbin [08:33] <crimsun> azriel0184: if you haven't mounted /, how are you supposed to grab something from /sbin ? [08:33] <BTJustice> crimsun: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+Live+7.1.&chip=SB0410%2C+P17&module=ca0106 [08:33] <BTJustice> ??? [08:34] <logical_mark> Hey guys. Ubuntu modified my master boot record to use grub as my boot loader. How do I tell grub I want windows xp to start at the end of the countdown and not ubuntu [08:34] <thoreauputic> !distrowar [08:34] <ubotu> ubuntu is better than yggdrasil! [08:34] <PurpleMotion> there [08:34] <Gatton> bwahahaha [08:34] <crimsun> BTJustice: what about that? [08:34] <PurpleMotion> !start a distro war [08:34] <ubotu> ubuntu rules over suse [08:34] <Gatton> i like that one [08:34] <aeruder> logical_mark: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst [08:34] <logical_mark> thanks aeruder [08:34] <BTJustice> crimsun: Is that how to do it? [08:34] <pauldaoust> guys, you're totally abusing the bot [08:34] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: look how i built that [08:34] <pauldaoust> *sardonic laugh* and you guys said I was gonna get kicked :) [08:34] <crimsun> BTJustice: I don't know, I'm not at a browser [08:34] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/?q=war&b=Find+B [08:34] <BTJustice> crimsun: Ok, thanks for your help. [08:34] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: I used <reply> [08:35] <crimsun> BTJustice: you can search the Ubuntu forum for ALSA cvs instructions [08:35] <odyssey23> aeruder: yeh tight on space huh?...mmm how come i have all that on a 2 gig with win 98 and still have like a gig left? [08:35] <azriel0184> crimsun, is there a way to run something just after mounting / and before mounting other partitions? [08:35] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: every time you type it though, it can put something else [08:35] <aeruder> odyssey23: the win98 one was fine [08:35] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: right [08:35] <Gatton> yggdrasil? who is the old timer? ;-) [08:35] <aeruder> odyssey23: the winxp one was not ;) [08:35] <crimsun> azriel0184: what are you trying to do? [08:36] <odyssey23> lol [08:36] <thoreauputic> Gatton: I was making it diplomatic ;) [08:36] <logical_mark> that should do it aeruder thanks again [08:36] <Gatton> thoreauputic, you are way too nice. You know you wanted to put Gentoo instead ;-) [08:36] <thoreauputic> Gatton: hahahah ! [08:36] <thoreauputic> :D [08:36] <azriel0184> crimsun, well, md is not making /dev/md0 before it is trying to mount it as my /home [08:37] <odyssey23> ok guys i'm gonna have to run now.... THANX HEAPS to ALL who helped!!! :")... i'll get back to you prolly 2omoro with the "how'd we go" info ;) [08:37] <jedix> I really wish I could find my debian cd [08:37] <azriel0184> so i need to run mdrun to make the devices [08:37] <Gatton> odyssey23, please come back and let us know how it goes! [08:37] <crimsun> azriel0184: that's a known problem with the current initramfs config for Breezy -- or are you referring to Hoary? [08:37] <Ice9> how do I find out what kernel I have? [08:37] <Gatton> uname -a [08:37] <odyssey23> yeh for sure you guys are a: friednly plus b: super helpful and c: too ncie :") [08:37] <crimsun> azriel0184: there's a workaround for Hoary; you can check the forum [08:38] <odyssey23> friendly even lol [08:38] <azriel0184> crimsun, i am on hoary [08:38] <Gatton> must...get...sleep [08:38] <odyssey23> \ok.. byee all.. :") [08:38] <Gatton> night for me too [08:38] <azriel0184> ok, il check the forum. i was having a look around on the wiki, but couldnt find anything... specially since my dialup is not the best for downloading updates on... [08:39] <PurpleMotion> !start an op war [08:39] <ubotu> PurpleMotion: I don't know [08:39] <PurpleMotion> bs [08:39] <c0rrupt_> Lol [08:39] <c0rrupt_> o.0 [08:39] <c0rrupt_> is this freenode? [08:39] <cafuego> !start an op war [08:39] <ubotu> OPS! cafuego IS ABUSING THE BOT! [08:40] <lmurillo> hello [08:40] <cafuego> hey ho [08:40] <pauldaoust> now that is funny. [08:40] <PurpleMotion> you rewrote it? [08:40] <PurpleMotion> i was gonna have it say (any|op) is much cooler than Amaranth [08:40] <lmurillo> hmm, why doesn't the .xsession that I have in ~ get executed everytime I start my session? [08:41] <PurpleMotion> !start an op war created by PurpleMotion!n=jay@cpe-24-26-139-222.columbus.res.rr.com on 20 Aug 2005 16:39 [08:41] <PurpleMotion> requested 0 times
 (bob2|Seveas) is much cooler than Amaranth! [08:41] <ubotu> PurpleMotion: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about [08:41] <PurpleMotion> nevermind, ubotu [08:41] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: That would trigger their hilight and be irritating [08:41] <PurpleMotion> oh ok [08:41] <_c0rrupt_> saslepuss [08:41] <c0rrupt_> a [08:41] <_c0rrupt_> a [08:42] <pauldaoust> crimsun: hm, this is weird... it appears that my (other) machine that I'm having volume control problems with is just using the generic intel-8x0 driver. It's a SiS 760GX mobo, if that helps. [08:42] <crimsun> pauldaoust: what sort of volume control problems? [08:43] <nige> ello [08:43] <Madpilot> am back - stupid hard drive. thank dog it's just an extra I need to clean up & reformat... [08:43] <pauldaoust> basically the volume has a span of 0 and 100%, without anything in between. I've seen this problem on a few mobos already, including my KT400 mobo. [08:44] <pauldaoust> crimsun: if I use the volume control applet, for instance, nothing changes until I get down to 0, and then it's silent. [08:44] <pef> hello [08:45] <crimsun> pauldaoust: which ac97 codec? [08:45] <pauldaoust> crimsun: hmmm... one sec [08:45] <cafuego> a KT400 uses via82cxxx [08:45] <crimsun> cafuego: for IDE? [08:45] <pauldaoust> cafuego: sounds familiar. I've got my onboard sound disabled right now, though, so I can't check ^_^ [08:46] <cafuego> crimsun: the sound chip is called the same thing [08:46] <SavantEdge> laters, and sorry [08:46] <crimsun> (+ "_audio" for sound) [08:46] <cafuego> crimsun: via82cxx (ide) and via82cxx_audio (sound) [08:46] <azriel0184> !forums [08:46] <No1Viking> !forums [08:47] <crimsun> depending on the ac97 codec, it may need to use softvol from alsa-lib [08:47] <pauldaoust> crimsun: there's such a thing?!?!? wow! [08:47] <odyssey23> lol.... one more question :) [08:47] <pauldaoust> crimsun: that's exactly what I'm looking for. [08:47] <odyssey23> which version/type do i need [08:48] <odyssey23> intel/X86 [08:48] <pauldaoust> crimsun: so exactly where would I find out the codec it's using? would that be the name of the module it's auto-loaded? [08:48] <crimsun> pauldaoust: yes, it was released as part of alsa-lib 1.0.8. There's documentation (albeit sketchy) on the alsa-lib Web site. [08:48] <odyssey23> amd 64? [08:48] <crimsun> pauldaoust: cat /proc/asound/cards [08:49] <PurpleMotion> how do you add yourself to a workgroupt hat contains spaces in the name? [08:49] <pauldaoust> crimsun: ah, gotcha. It uses SiS SI7012, but I know that this same codec worked fine with hardware volume on my old mobo. /proc/asound/cards also mentions a CMI9761, however. [08:50] <psurani> guys, can anyone help, i have unbuntu installed and now i wanna install mandrake 10.1 also, how to configure grub for ubuntu then ? and using which commands ? [08:50] <odyssey23> sorry guys does anyone know which one i should order the intel/X86 or the AMD64 version of ubuntu? [08:51] <odyssey23> or powePC? [08:51] <pauldaoust> odyssey23: why not a couple of each? [08:51] <crimsun> pauldaoust: the sis7012 is fine and does not need softvol. The cmi9761 does. [08:51] <stizoner> odyssey23, whats your computer? [08:51] <odyssey23> but i dont wonna rip them of kinda thing if the discs will only end up sitting there is that bad? [08:51] <odyssey23> a compaq deskpro pentuim II, 6gig, 205 ram [08:51] <crimsun> pauldaoust: alternately, paste the output from amixer onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl for the computer(s) for which you're having volume problems [08:52] <pauldaoust> odyssey23: you'll always bump into someone with an AMD64 computer that you can give the CD to. Think of it as Ubuntu evangelism; that's why they're giving the CDs away anyway. [08:52] <stizoner> intel/X86 [08:52] <odyssey23> ok... thanx guys... your right paul and thanx stizoner :") [08:53] <nige> i need to setup my startup scipts so that it runs the wpa config [08:53] <nige> when i start linux [08:53] <odyssey23> better run have to pick up my lil bro.. running late lol... sure he wont mind the extra fishing time ;) [08:53] <i4> what is the quickest way to logoff a user o your computer? [08:53] <nige> welll so it loads the settings in so i dont to get it manuall? [08:53] <pauldaoust> crimsun: actually, you've helped me out a huge amount. (incidentally, the Hoary CD didn't support my audio chipset out of the box; maybe I should file a bug report) [08:53] <aeruder> i4: kill their shell [08:53] <pauldaoust> crimsun: I think I can take it from here... do a bit of research into that whole softvol thingy. [08:54] <ntldr> is there a hardware monitor similar to MBM5 on windows, that works on debian? [08:54] <pauldaoust> ntldr: sorta... you can use gkrellm [08:54] <crimsun> pauldaoust: keep in mind there's also an issue with sis7012 and cmi9761 for versions of ALSA prior to 1.0.9 in which you need to mute 'IEC958 Capture Monitor' to hear anything [08:55] <ntldr> thanks pauldaoust [08:55] <pauldaoust> ntldr: xsensors is a very rudimentary sort of thing, and it only monitors your mobo temp/RPM sensors [08:55] <aeruder> i4: something along the lines of kill -KILL `pgrep -u username` [08:55] <aeruder> i4: would do the trick nicely ;) [08:55] <ntldr> aha [08:55] <pauldaoust> ntldr: but it's a good quick way to check how hot you're running. [08:55] <aeruder> kill -9 would probably be better [08:55] <aeruder> some kill versions don't take the name iirc [08:55] <ntldr> ok, thanks [08:56] <Madpilot> ntldr: ksensors is a bit nicer that xsensors - but they both need lm-sensors for data [08:56] <Madpilot> see the forum for setup info [08:56] <stizoner> anyone know of a 686 optimized build firefox thats a .deb so i can actually install it i think, im trying 2 sqeeze every last bit of performance out of it because its pothetic compaired to windows, yes i disable the ipv6 and turned on pipelining [08:56] <pauldaoust> crimsun: ohhhh! is that why I couldn't hear anything. I eventually installed Alsa 1.0.9 off my mobo vendor's website, and not without a lot of wrestling with the installation of linux-image et al [08:56] <pauldaoust> if only I'da known... [08:56] <i4> aeruder: what if i just wanted to drop a particuliar ssh connection, like if this user was logged in twice? [08:57] <gjr> cant get firefox to play ram files or display pdf, can anyone lend a hand???? [08:57] <No1Viking> Question: How do I get write permissons to my S-ATA disks containing NTFS? [08:57] <ntldr> hmm, Intel active monitor installed some SMBus drivers on win. Do I need such drivers in linux too? [08:58] <aeruder> i4: figure out what their shell is and destroy it ;) [08:58] <No1Viking> gjr: install ralaudio [08:58] <thoreauputic> No1Viking: writing to ntfs isn't supported [08:58] <aeruder> i4: who command will tell you what terminal they are on [08:58] <No1Viking> gjr: install realaudio [08:58] <gjr> nolvik: have installed real aud [08:58] <pauldaoust> ntldr: possibly. but you'll probably be okay just installing the lm-sensors package from the repository [08:58] <No1Viking> Ok, thank thoreauputic [08:58] <ntldr> OK [08:58] <aeruder> ps aux | grep ttyname will get you processes on that tty [08:58] <gjr> not sure how to get plugins in firefox [08:59] <TraceGreen> Hello, when i run locale, error:locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory [08:59] <No1Viking> gjr: installed w32codecs? [08:59] <aeruder> i4: kill their login shell :) [08:59] <stizoner> same as you do in windows gjr [08:59] <TraceGreen> can anybody helpme? i try to reinstall glibc but now some problem happen. [08:59] <Madpilot> ntldr: there are smbus drivers in linux already; lm-sensors includes a setup script to get it all configured [08:59] <stizoner> wait you said plugins not extensions, nevermind [08:59] <gjr> never had to in win, browser realized it needed them and installed them [08:59] <pauldaoust> ntldr: see, Madpilot knows what he's talking about... more than I do, anyway [09:00] <ntldr> thanks to both of you :) [09:00] <cyphase> :) [09:00] <cyphase> wow [09:00] <gjr> nolvik: yes codecs installed [09:00] <cyphase> wow [09:00] <cyphase> wow [09:00] <cyphase> wow [09:00] <cyphase> wow [09:00] <cyphase> ok [09:00] <c0rrupt_> wow [09:00] <c0rrupt_> stufu [09:00] <cyphase> :) [09:00] <c0rrupt_> =) [09:00] <No1Viking> gjr: then I have no idea [09:00] <cyphase> it's great though [09:00] <cyphase> i haven't even finished yet [09:00] <No1Viking> sorry [09:00] <Madpilot> ntldr: no problem - I'm just searching the Ubuntu forums for the howto I used to get my sensors running & displayed [09:00] <aeruder> Madpilot: run sensors-detect [09:00] <gjr> nolvik: that s ok, know how it is. [09:01] <stizoner> porn codecs should be easyier to install then they are [09:01] <c0rrupt_> Lol [09:01] <stizoner> woops i mean wincodecs* [09:01] <gjr> any1 else??? [09:01] <c0rrupt_> hah [09:01] <aeruder> follow the instructions and then get a sensors program [09:01] <c0rrupt_> apt-get install pr0n [09:01] <Madpilot> aeruder: thanks, that's what I was trying to think of... [09:01] <aeruder> i'd recommend gkrellm [09:01] <c0rrupt_> apt-get install porn-essentials [09:01] <ntldr> lol [09:02] <No1Viking> LOL [09:02] <thoreauputic> !info pornview [09:02] <ubotu> pornview: (Image and movie viewer/manager), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 0.2pre1-4 (hoary), Packaged size: 224 kB, Installed size: 676 kB [09:02] <thoreauputic> :D [09:02] <c0rrupt_> o.0 [09:02] <gjr> QUESTION: cant get firefox to play ram files or display pdf, can anyone lend a hand???? [09:02] <c0rrupt_> =-o [09:02] <aeruder> c0rrupt_: http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~ja2morri/porn-get/ -- .deb's there [09:02] <stizoner> i have 500gb download stats on empornium bittorrent site, i have issues [09:02] <aeruder> ;) [09:02] <c0rrupt_> lmfao [09:02] <robotgeek> gjr: i use evince for pdf display, works wonderfully well...reading a pdf within browser as i speak [09:03] <cyphase> anyone here tried breezy colony 3 yet? [09:03] <c0rrupt_> i already fucked over apt-get once [09:03] <aeruder> c0rrupt_: nah, porn-get is just a hack someone threw together to download porn [09:03] <c0rrupt_> lol [09:03] <aeruder> basically big set of urls and you can download them with porn-get ;) [09:03] <gjr> robot: is evince installed by deflt? I can read pdf from the desktop. [09:03] <c0rrupt_> oh [09:03] <c0rrupt_> lmao [09:03] <aeruder> c0rrupt_: one sec [09:04] <bronco> how can I modify xorg.conf when I'm just in the command prompt? [09:04] <robotgeek> gjr: nope, u'll have to install evince . and please use my full name, it doesn't hilight otherwise! [09:04] <cyphase> no one? hmm.. [09:04] <aeruder> http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ -- c0rrupt_ that is the main site [09:04] <i4> can someone tell me what pts/1,2,3, etc are? [09:04] <esc_ape> ok dumb question...how do you disable the fade effect when you minimize windows? [09:04] <MrGardenHoseMan> bronco: pico xorg.conf [09:04] <gjr> robotgeek: ok I will give evince a try, is it in the deflt repo's? [09:04] <thoreauputic> bronco: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [09:04] <aeruder> i4: psuedo terminals [09:05] <c0rrupt_> no config file [09:05] <robotgeek> !info evince [09:05] <stizoner> wtf, lol @ lesbian debian [09:05] <ubotu> evince: (Document (postscript, pdf) viewer), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.1.9-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 189 kB, Installed size: 788 kB [09:05] <robotgeek> gjr: it's in universe [09:05] <aeruder> i4: they are created by programs like sshd, screen, etc... [09:05] <i4> aeruder: how do i find out what their process or job id's are? [09:05] <aeruder> i4: i told you ps aux | grep pts/5 [09:05] <cyphase> evince is good [09:05] <gjr> robotgeek: thx will give it a try. Any id on ram files??? [09:05] <aeruder> i4: that will tell you what programs are running on that tty [09:05] <TraceGreen> Hello, can anybody help me? when i run locale: locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory [09:05] <Madpilot> Evince is much nicer than xpdf... [09:06] <robotgeek> gjr: i dont use realplayer much, sorry [09:06] <TraceGreen> Because i try to reinstall libc6 [09:06] <Madpilot> gjr: Real Media? w32codecs [09:06] <Madpilot> !info w32codec [09:06] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: that sounded like an ubotu !start a pdf viewer war ;) [09:06] <gjr> madpilot: have w32 codecs, but ffx wont play, can play files if I have them on mac [09:06] <aeruder> i'm guessing i4 just killed his own login shell [09:06] <aeruder> heh [09:07] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: what's to war about? Evince is a fair bit more polished... ;) [09:07] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: good idea for a new command for ubotu, though! :) [09:07] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: I like xpdf! let's have a war! [09:07] <thoreauputic> ;) [09:08] <h08817> how do u install macromedia flash player for firefox? [09:08] <aeruder> h08817: click the little missing plugin box that pops down and click install [09:08] <thoreauputic> !flash [09:08] <ubotu> flash is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats [09:08] <stizoner> oh thats a scam porn-get is no longer maintained [09:09] <gjr> aeruder: what if no little plug in box comes up when plugin is missing? [09:09] <h08817> aeruder, i tried that and it says it is doing it but no progress is showing [09:09] <aeruder> gjr: uh, i've never had a problem with that [09:09] <Madpilot> ubotu tell gjr about flash [09:09] <dale_gribble> mine does the same thing [09:10] <gjr> aeruder: have that issue with ram and pdf - installing evince right now [09:10] <aeruder> pdfs aren't embedded into webpages [09:10] <aeruder> there's a difference ;) [09:11] <gjr> aeruder: ahh -still thought there was a pdf plug-in. What about ram files? [09:11] <aeruder> gjr: depends how they are linked [09:11] <h08817> well i just tried that link [09:12] <aeruder> having a plugin being available does not in any way mean that it is necessary [09:12] <h08817> will it work in firefox now [09:12] <gjr> aeruder: such as? [09:12] <gjr> aeruder: how can I tell how it is linked? [09:12] <aeruder> gjr: whether it is a straight link or actually embedded into the webpage (in a correct manner) [09:13] <thechitowncubss> My ubuntu desktop just locked up and i can still move the mouse, what does that mean. [09:13] <thechitowncubss> I can't CTRL F2 or CTRL ALT BKSP or anything [09:13] <stizoner> mine just did that lil bit ago, pull the power [09:13] <thechitowncubss> any advice? [09:13] <aeruder> thechitowncubss: i'm guessing that means that you're hosed :) [09:13] <h08817> hey i got this after i installed it [09:14] <robotgeek> thechitowncubss: just switch to a console if that's possible [09:14] <thechitowncubss> i thought linux wasn't ever supposed to completely shit out [09:14] <thechitowncubss> isnt it _stable_? [09:14] <i4> is anyone else haviong trouble with backports? [09:14] <h08817> install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz [09:14] <aeruder> thechitowncubss: X is remarkably good at making linux crap out on some video cards [09:14] <h08817> how do i extract it and install it? [09:14] <thechitowncubss> god damnit [09:14] <f_newton> bob2 are you for real or a bot? [09:14] <aeruder> thechitowncubss: the linux kernel is quite stable [09:14] <Madpilot> thechitowncubss: you can still move your mouse and use your keyboard, right? Windows would already be locked up hard! [09:14] <gjr> aeruder: how can I tell how it is linked? shows up as https://..../file.ram [09:14] <thoreauputic> thechitowncubss: it's X that's frozen - if you can ssh in you might be able to kill it [09:14] <ntldr> would ksensors run on gnome? [09:15] <aeruder> thechitowncubss: try sshing to your box [09:15] <thoreauputic> yup [09:15] <Madpilot> ntldr: of course. I'm running it right now [09:15] <ntldr> ok [09:15] <thechitowncubss> what process should i kill? [09:15] <aeruder> X [09:15] <f_newton> thoreauputic, you probably would know... why is there a user acct on every installation of ubuntu Ive done with an unknown password ? [09:15] <aeruder> killall -KILL X [09:16] <thechitowncubss> yipee [09:16] <aeruder> or something like that :) [09:16] <thechitowncubss> now what lol [09:16] <thoreauputic> f_newton: erm...unknown password? [09:16] <f_newton> acct = nobody passwd = unknown [09:16] <Madpilot> thechitowncubss: startx I'm pretty sure - to restart X [09:16] <aeruder> thechitowncubss: linux still has problems with X drivers since of course the drivers have full access to the hardware [09:16] <thoreauputic> f_newton: ah - don't worry about that it's normal :) [09:17] <f_newton> yeah well what is it? [09:17] <aeruder> thechitowncubss: you can be sure that the base linux kernel is pretty much stable as a rock [09:17] <thoreauputic> f_newton: some things have to run as "nobody" [09:17] <aeruder> but if you were really going for stability, you wouldn't be using X ;) [09:17] <thechitowncubss> well what the hell is wrong with X? [09:17] <aeruder> thechitowncubss: what? [09:17] <aeruder> thechitowncubss: first off, what video card are you using? [09:17] <xliu__> i installed gnome first and then installed KDE. However, some Chinese characters which are displayed correctly in gnome are shown as periods ".", what's wrong? [09:17] <f_newton> if users can sudo in to root with their user password who is nobody and what are the privileges? [09:17] <thechitowncubss> Nvidia 5600 [09:17] <aeruder> thechitowncubss: nvidia? [09:17] <aeruder> well, those are closed source drivers [09:17] <aeruder> X has no control what the heck those things are doing [09:18] <thechitowncubss> oh so its the drivers problem? [09:18] <thoreauputic> f_newton: "nobody" is just a construct - not an actual user [09:18] <aeruder> thechitowncubss: so more than likely you can take it up with nvidia, that's the price you pay for using non open source drivers [09:18] <h08817> what is the command to extract something? [09:18] <Madpilot> f_newton: I think user "nobody" has no privs at all - but I'm not certain [09:18] <aeruder> thechitowncubss: a kernel hacker wouldn't even consider your problem a problem [09:18] <h08817> if it is a .tar [09:18] <f_newton> ok it cannot be exploited by an outside individual? [09:18] <cyphase> wow.. [09:18] <thoreauputic> f_newton: and only the first user has sudo powers by default [09:18] <aeruder> loading a closed source driver means that your kernel is "tainted" and will show up as thus in the logs [09:18] <h08817> .tar.gz [09:18] <cyphase> synaptic is slower if the downloading window isn't focused [09:18] <f_newton> ok thanks [09:18] <f_newton> that puts me at ease [09:18] <h08817> !extract [09:18] <ubotu> Wish i knew, h08817 [09:18] <cyphase> therefore not hogging bandwidth [09:19] <aeruder> and at that point, you have no idea what is running in your system and can be totally fscking it over [09:19] <f_newton> so deleting it would NOT be a good idea? [09:19] <h08817> !archive [09:19] <ubotu> h08817: Are you smoking crack? [09:19] <ORiON2012> f_newton: nobody has no shell and therefore cannot execute commands, I'm sure the super-hacker could change that though [09:19] <i4> im too bizzu, dizzy to get my beer [09:19] <aeruder> gjr: view page source would do it ;) [09:20] <aeruder> gjr: but if you are linked directly to a .arm [09:20] <aeruder> that once again would not fall in any way under the realm of requiring a plugin [09:20] <h08817> !extract [09:20] <ubotu> h08817: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [09:20] <f_newton> no I just dont want some childish l337 head reeking havoc on my box because his fragile sense of self worth appeared threatened... [09:20] <thoreauputic> f_newton: rule of thumb: if you don't knowwhat it is, don't delete it! [09:20] <f_newton> yeah [09:20] <h08817> how do u extract an archive? [09:20] <aeruder> if it was embedded into a webpage using the embed tag, then it would fall under the realm of requiring a plugin and firefox would alert you as thus [09:20] <aeruder> h08817: tar zxf [09:21] <thechitowncubss> h08817: right click on it [09:21] <gjr> aeruder: link shows https://..../file.ram, but i dont have a save link as option? [09:21] <ORiON2012> f_newton: love the outlook [09:21] <h08817> what is zxf [09:21] <f_newton> been around a while ORiON2012 ` [09:21] <aeruder> gjr: why not wget it ? [09:21] <aeruder> gjr: or just save page as [09:21] <aeruder> if they are linking you to a .ram file and firefox isn't offering to download it [09:21] <aeruder> that means they messed up their mime types on the server [09:21] <cyphase> start talking about breezy damnit! [09:21] <cyphase> ;) [09:21] <ORiON2012> f_newton: no, I'm a total noob, compared to some of the folks in here [09:21] <n1xt3r> h08817: zip extract force - read the man pages [09:21] <h08817> ok [09:22] <f_newton> no no I meant Ive been around a while. [09:22] <aeruder> which is often the case with people that mainly cater to internet explorer (internet explorer more or less ignores mime types) [09:22] <ORiON2012> f_newton: ah, I see [09:22] <robotgeek> cyphase: no breezy for me yet! [09:22] <cyphase> has anyone tried colony 3? [09:22] <aeruder> cyphase: i'm attempting hoary => breezy [09:22] <gjr> aeruder: i am sure that is an issue, they are an m$ shop [09:22] <linuxboy> whats the standard solitare called in AisleRiot ? [09:22] <f_newton> I know how easy it is to upset some ... person who believes they are the end all guru and protector of linux [09:22] <aeruder> gjr: if you wget it, it will tell you the mime type [09:23] <aeruder> gjr: i'm sure it woudl also be in right click page properties [09:23] <cyphase> aeruder, you know breezy is still in alpha, right? [09:23] <f_newton> usually they are very bright, young, and irresponsible [09:23] <h08817> sweet flash works [09:23] <f_newton> and hang out in debian rooms [09:23] <f_newton> ... [09:23] <ORiON2012> f_newton: too bright, as for responsible.... only if they get caught [09:24] <f_newton> mommy or daddy buys them out of any trouble [09:24] <aeruder> cyphase: sure, i can deal with it [09:24] <f_newton> but I wax eloquent [09:24] <f_newton> thanks thoreauputic for the information [09:24] <aeruder> as soon as i work out some packaging booboos with the python stuff :) [09:24] <f_newton> I wont delete it then [09:24] <thoreauputic> f_newton: no worries :) [09:26] <gue> hello [09:26] <jedistar> Hi, just installed ubuntu and I am just getting a screen refresh rate of 60hz [09:26] <ORiON2012> cyphase: are you running breezy? [09:26] <alie> hi how to install ubuntu from my hard drive [09:26] <ntldr> I installed lm-sensors and ksensors [09:26] <karol_18> hola [09:26] <jedistar> I had up to 100hz on win [09:26] <ntldr> how do I config lm-sensors [09:26] <karol_18> como estan [09:26] <cyphase> ORiON2012, on my dev machine [09:26] <alie> i have a fat partition and some gb of free space [09:26] <Madpilot> !fixrez [09:26] <ubotu> Madpilot: Do they come in packets of five? [09:26] <karol_18> que me cuentan [09:26] <cyphase> i'm accessing it through VNC [09:26] <Madpilot> fixres [09:26] <karol_18> alguien me envia privado [09:26] <Madpilot> !fixres [09:26] <ubotu> [fixres] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto [09:27] <ntldr> a howto sent me to source dir which i don't have [09:27] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: sol [09:27] <ORiON2012> cyphase: other than xorg, have you had any major issues? [09:27] <gue> can anyone help me [09:27] <karol_18> fuck off [09:27] <Madpilot> jedistar: see right above, where ubotu posted the URL? ^^^ [09:27] <cyphase> ORiON2012, what's your xorg problem [09:27] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: its not in the list [09:27] <robotgeek> karol_18: language please [09:27] <karol_18> spanish [09:27] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: sorry I thought you meant the command to start it [09:27] <robotgeek> ubotu tell karol_18 about conduct [09:28] <ORiON2012> cyphase: none, breezy's been stable as a rock for me except for very minor xlibmesa issues, I was just curious. [09:28] <linuxboy> no, which game is the standard solitare game? [09:28] <alie> hi how to install ubuntu from my hard drive i have a fat partition and some gb of free space [09:28] <gjr> aeruder: 1 more for you - how do I get realplayer to come up as the selected player rather than totem? [09:28] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: there's a whole set of alternatives - maybe you mean klondike? [09:28] <karol_18> where are you from??? [09:28] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: yes! [09:28] <aeruder> gjr: in firefox? [09:28] <thoreauputic> :) [09:29] <aeruder> gjr: that's probably some gnome setting, i'm not sure how you go about that [09:29] <aeruder> not much of a gnome user [09:29] <gjr> aeruder: yes, on that link it pops a box and suggests totem. Had to find bin in /usr/bin [09:30] <alie> hi how to install ubuntu from my hard drive i have a fat partition and some gb of free space [09:30] <gjr> aeruder: this mac is for someone not all that compliterate, trying to get all main functions working. [09:30] <alie> hi how to install ubuntu from my hard drive i have a fat partition and some gb of free space [09:30] <aeruder> gjr: i'm a bit unable to help right now [09:30] <robotgeek> gjr: what are you trying to get working? [09:31] <aeruder> my breezy upgrade has left my shell incapable of starting [09:31] <aeruder> so i'm preserving the few shells i have open ;) [09:31] <alie> hi how to install ubuntu from my hard drive i have a fat partition and some gb of free space [09:31] <aeruder> heh [09:31] <gjr> aeruder: no prob, thanks for your help. [09:31] <jedistar> Madpilot, I went to the webpage you pointed out to me earlier..it asked to run a command [09:31] <Madpilot> jedistar: sorry, which webpage? [09:31] <jedistar> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto [09:31] <gjr> robotgeek: I am trying to get realplay to be deflt offered when box pops to play ram files in ffx. [09:32] <jedistar> just was not sure how to run a command [09:32] <cjnodell> hello, i have a question about totem, can someone help me? [09:32] <gjr> robotgeek: right now is totem. [09:32] <jedistar> lol, feel like I have started learning computers [09:32] <robotgeek> so, you are actually running ubuntu on ppc [09:32] <thoreauputic> gjr: I seem to recall you can type the path in (in the FF dialogue box) [09:32] <Madpilot> jedistar: you need to open a terminal - you're running Hoary (5.04)? [09:32] <thoreauputic> gjr: and make it default [09:32] <thenuke> cjnodell: always get to the point straightly, no one knows if they can help you [09:33] <jedistar> hmm, whats hoary? [09:33] <Madpilot> jedistar: Applications menu --> System Tools --> Terminal [09:33] <robotgeek> gjr: have you installed real player? the ppc version? [09:33] <thoreauputic> jedistar: current stable ubuntu ( 5.04) [09:33] <gjr> thoreauputic: nice try, but no deflt selection was offered, only totem. :-P to the path suggestion, did that! [09:34] <jedistar> ok, I have the blinking cursor up [09:34] <thoreauputic> gjr: I know I typed it in - there *is* a way <grin> [09:34] <gjr> robotgeek: using ubuntu on HP laptop - intel, yes have realplay 10 installed [09:34] <jedistar> do I just paste the script in there and hit enter? [09:34] <aeruder> jedistar: you tend to remember more if you type it ;) [09:34] <aeruder> jedistar: but yea [09:34] <robotgeek> gjr: okay..i got confused, i though you were trying to get it to work on a ppc [09:34] <Madpilot> jedistar: each line on the FixVideo page is a seperate command [09:35] <cjnodell> k, I am trying to play avi's and encrypted DVD's with totem. I have looked throught the wiki, and a few other sources, and downloaded a bunch of codecs and so on. I also turned dma on. but whenever i play a dvd or avi in totem, it is slow and jerky (i havent tried other formats yet).. how can i fix this [09:35] <robotgeek> cjnodell: try using vlc [09:35] <Madpilot> jedistar: sorry, meant each line in the greyish boxes [09:35] <newman> cjnodell: or try using mplayer with the codec pack [09:35] <cjnodell> what is vlc? [09:35] <cjnodell> I will try mplayer [09:36] <thoreauputic> gjr: edit - prefs - downloads - "always perform this action... " something like that [09:36] <robotgeek> ubotu tell cjnodell about vlc [09:36] <No1Viking> In your opinion, whats the best desktop environment systems, eg gnome, kde etc? [09:36] <newman> cjnodell: you can get a complete codec pack to go with it that should have all the codecs you need for video files [09:37] <gjr> thoreauputic: tried that initially, but there was no add selection for that box to place ra type in. Just did download again and got it to work. I guess doing 1st time, it continues to by deflt [09:37] <newman> if you are new to linux, i think KDE is the best bet for user friendliness and attractiveness, after enough linux usage many people prefer blackbox or fluxbox however because they are much faster and many people usually use the terminal most [09:38] <thoreauputic> gjr: ah ,,, [09:38] <sampoo> does anyone know how to open a .sh file? [09:38] <gjr> thoreauputic: thx for help [09:38] <esc_ape> what advantages do blackbox & fluxbox have? [09:38] <thoreauputic> sampoo: you don't - you run it [09:38] <aeruder> sampoo: to run one you generally do sh blah.sh [09:38] <aeruder> if you want to view it (it is a scrpit) [09:38] <sampoo> okay i'll try [09:38] <aeruder> use vi or your favorite text editor [09:38] <thoreauputic> gjr: no problem :) [09:39] <ORiON2012> cjnodell: vlc is an excellent media player that has added streaiming capabillities [09:39] <ORiON2012> streaming* [09:39] <newman> esc_ape: they are much simpler and on slower machines with less memory they run MUCH faster, and they don't bloat the sysytem with extra programs, jsut simple access to things like the internet and terminals [09:39] <jtan325> newman, what do you use [09:39] <esc_ape> ok thanks [09:39] <esc_ape> so far I like gnome - I dont think I'd want kde again [09:40] <sampoo> aeruder: thanks alot [09:40] <newman> jtan325: i usually do my linux work in blackbox, however sometimes when i want a full multimedia PC and it is good enough i run KDE [09:40] <jtan325> can't believe there are still blackbox users [09:40] <jtan325> lol [09:40] <robotgeek> jtan325: why not? [09:40] <aeruder> why? [09:40] <ORiON2012> newman: I use KDE, but for initial windows converts, these KDE menu's can be hell [09:40] <jtan325> i used fluxbox/openbox for the past few months [09:40] <jtan325> then switched to fvwm [09:40] <cjnodell> i see. is vlc available through synaptic? [09:40] <jtan325> fvwm has configurability like no other [09:40] <newman> esc_ape: gnome is nice because it is sort of a middle ground, not too bloated but still easy to use [09:40] <cyphase> if breezy - 2 months is where it's at, 6.04 is going to be.. [09:40] <ORiON2012> cjnodell: yes [09:40] <robotgeek> jtan325: i use openbox with gnome..middle ground! [09:41] <aeruder> jtan325: blackbox works and is quite stable/fast ;) [09:41] <cyphase> wowza [09:41] <ORiON2012> cjnodell: just apt-get vlc [09:41] <newman> ORiON2012: very true, they can be confusing but they are probably easier than trying to learn fluxbox :) [09:41] <cjnodell> K, ill give both vlc and mplayer a shot. I am guessing that there is no way to fix totem? [09:42] <ORiON2012> newman: flux will always have a place in my favorite category, gnome seems so "simple" though [09:42] <jtan325> gnome isn't a window manager guys [09:42] <thoreauputic> cjnodell: install totem-xine [09:42] <jtan325> metacity is the default gnome wm [09:42] <ORiON2012> cjnodell: have you tried totem-xine? [09:42] <ORiON2012> cjnodell: totem-gstreamer seems to cause problems for many [09:42] <newman> jtan325: granted, but for ease of use w/ unfamiliar people gnome usually suffices as opposed to metacity or enlightenment [09:43] <jtan325> wait... [09:43] <aeruder> newman: gnome isn't a windowmanager, metacity is :) [09:43] <jtan325> gnome isn't a wm [09:43] <jtan325> exactly [09:43] <newman> yes [09:43] <aeruder> newman: gnome uses metacity by default [09:43] <jtan325> exactly [09:43] <robotgeek> and that's why u can use openbox instead of metacity [09:43] <ORiON2012> jtan325: DE, yes yes, it's still very easy for newcommers [09:43] <newman> or you can use enlightenment [09:43] <robotgeek> too slow for me! [09:44] <newman> very true [09:44] <newman> i have not tried openbox on gnome.....worth a shot i guess [09:44] <cjnodell> i havent tried totem-xine, but have tried kafeen-xine in kubuntu, i had the same problems as i do with totem-gstreamer [09:44] <jtan325> openbox is super simple [09:44] <jtan325> and very minimalistic [09:44] <jtan325> so perfect for terminal folks [09:44] <Flying-Penguin> how do you mount iso? [09:45] <aeruder> mount -o loop blah.iso /mnt/mountplace [09:45] <ORiON2012> jtan325: I like ob3 for it's wonderful dynamic menus [09:45] <Flying-Penguin> hmm... why does my xmms freeze ALL THE TIME? [09:45] <jtan325> yeah [09:45] <jtan325> fvwm has that too [09:45] <aeruder> -t iso#### is nice to, but i can't remember the name and the breezy "upgrade" has currently left me with one surviving shell so i can't look it up, heh [09:45] <jtan325> i can load a video from my menu [09:46] <thoreauputic> Flying-Penguin: try setting the output plugin to esound [09:46] <jtan325> without having to open slow-as-hell nautilus [09:46] <gentoo_junkie> being in 4 forums makes things way to spammy.... [09:46] <robotgeek> jtan325: how do do do that? [09:46] <aeruder> Flying-Penguin: xmms is very bad for high cpu loads [09:46] <robotgeek> !lart gentoo_junkie [09:46] <thoreauputic> Flying-Penguin: in xmms: options -prefs - plugins or similar [09:46] <aeruder> Flying-Penguin: i finally gave up and started using music123 (simple wrapper around ogg123 and mpg123) for my musicing [09:46] <ORiON2012> gentoo_junkie: wrong chan :P but gentoo's sweet, don't be offended [09:46] <gentoo_junkie> rm -rf [09:47] <gentoo_junkie> hehe [09:47] <robotgeek> aeruder: did u try bmp? [09:47] <ORiON2012> have it on my server [09:47] <gentoo_junkie> i just monitor all these forums for some reason. [09:47] <robotgeek> gentoo_junkie: welcome [09:47] <Nathanial> Having a bit of a problem.. [09:47] <gentoo_junkie> robotgeek: thanks ubuntu was my first distro. [09:47] <shadd> hi everybody [09:47] <ORiON2012> Nathanial: shoot... [09:47] <aeruder> robotgeek: same code base, not much better [09:47] <newman> i forgot how to change the wm running on gdm....any help? [09:47] <gentoo_junkie> shadd:hi [09:47] <thoreauputic> !distrowar [09:47] <Flying-Penguin> ok... and last question... is there some kind of a work around for using cds for games in linux... like a virtual cd program... cd emulation or such? [09:47] <ubotu> kubuntu is better than sls !! [09:47] <aeruder> robotgeek: although i greatly prefer bmp to xmms [09:47] <zaofreek> gentoo_junkie, i actually went from gentoo to ubuntu [09:47] <jtan325> robotgeek, what's your question? [09:48] <Nathanial> I install Apache and try to install either PHP3 or PHP4, and my server still wont show PHP files, it is coming up for a download when I visit my forum setup [09:48] <ORiON2012> Flying-Penguin: are you using cedega? [09:48] <robotgeek> jtan325: dynamic menus? [09:48] <shadd> anyboddy for VERLIHUB help here? there's no other room for that around... [09:48] <Madpilot> !lamp [09:48] <ubotu> well, lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP [09:48] <zerboxx> acpi is telling my my battery is "on-line" how can I change what it tells me? [09:48] <gentoo_junkie> zaofreek: i liked both i just happened to progress the opposite way of you hehe. [09:48] <Madpilot> Nathanial: see ubotu's URL ^^^ [09:48] <jtan325> robotgeek, are you using fvwm> [09:48] <jtan325> ? [09:48] <robotgeek> aeruder: bmp works better than xmms for me, doesn't skip that much [09:48] <aeruder> robotgeek: they just aren't designed very well, if you look around in the linux kernel mailing lists, you'll find a lot of attacks on people complaining that xmms skips alot and it was pretty unanimous that xmms just isn't designed very well for high cpu loads ;) [09:48] <Flying-Penguin> ORiON2012: yes I use cedega [09:48] <aeruder> robotgeek: yea, it doesn't skip as much, but it still skips [09:48] <robotgeek> jtan325: i tht it was in openbox..doh! [09:48] <aeruder> robotgeek: i greatly prefer the gtk2 interface tho [09:48] <ORiON2012> Flying-Penguin: some cd-cracks work with cedega [09:49] <robotgeek> aeruder: every player has skipped for me, i dunno why..even cli based ones [09:49] <Nathanial> thanks guys :) [09:49] <ORiON2012> Flying-Penguin: if you're farmiliar with using them in Windows... [09:49] <aeruder> robotgeek: it depends on a lot of factors, but the command line ones generally do much better for me [09:49] <shadd> i'm a former win user and wish to get my hub going on linux [09:49] <Madpilot> I've never heard Muine skip, even with something blowing CPU use up to 100%... [09:49] <Flying-Penguin> ORiON2012: I don't use cd-cracks, thats not what I ment I ment a way to have the cd in without a real cd [09:49] <aeruder> muine is excellent [09:49] <Flying-Penguin> ORiON2012: as in, so I can play online [09:50] <robotgeek> aeruder: nope, muine skips too..a lot! [09:50] <aeruder> i stopped using it when the ubuntu package broke a long time ago tho ;) [09:50] <shadd> *this is too crowddy in here...* [09:50] <aeruder> robotgeek: what card? [09:50] <robotgeek> aeruder: i heard a lot abt it, and compiled my own, after filing a bug for incomplete compile. [09:51] <shadd> <--- go have some fresh air... [09:51] <ORiON2012> Flying-Penguin: I don't understand how the CP protection would be able to function without either a real CD or a crack [09:51] <robotgeek> aeruder: on a powerbook g4, awacs i guess [09:51] <aeruder> robotgeek: ah, yea, i don't know anything about the powerbook stuff, could just be flaky drivers [09:51] <aeruder> robotgeek: i'm using sb live drivers [09:51] <ORiON2012> Flying-Penguin: at least for BF42 and a few other games, I either have to have the cd in, or a crack [09:51] <robotgeek> aeruder: pretty old card, it's a 2001 machine [09:52] <aeruder> robotgeek: yea, but sometimes it is driver issues too when there is not completely documentation [09:52] <Myrtti> ok, I managed to phuk things up pretty badly [09:52] <gentoo_junkie> anyone mud anymore ? [09:52] <cjnodell> how can i enable the sound in VLC? [09:52] <Ice9> !ati [09:52] <ubotu> ati is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI [09:52] <Flying-Penguin> ORiON2012: in windows there are programs that trick your computer into thinking there are more cd drives than there realy are, then you can build virtual cd images (700mb each) and incert them into the fake cd drive [09:53] <ORiON2012> cjnodell: are you using th GTK+ interface? [09:53] <robotgeek> aeruder: if i remember right, they worked fine under ydl..so, hmmm [09:53] <cjnodell> i belive so [09:53] <cjnodell> the menu entry says VLC gtk+ [09:53] <ishit> plz anyone can help me wit openoffice presentation. it does not open [09:53] <zaofreek> i definitely read that as "sound in VNC" [09:54] <ORiON2012> cjnodell: should be able to go to settings, enable advanced options, then scroll down to audio output and select your sound system (ALSA, OSS, etc.) [09:54] <cjnodell> k, i will give it a try. [09:54] <aeruder> Flying-Penguin: by the nature of linux, i would imagine that if you mount it to where you normally would mount /dev/cdrom or whatnot, you will find the games will take it fine [09:54] <ORiON2012> Flying-Penguin: things like daemon tools or Alcohol 120% that emulate CD protections simply don't exists in Linux as far as I know [09:54] <aeruder> Flying-Penguin: that would be my guess [09:54] <Myrtti> I tried to format my usb thumbdrive and managed to phuk things up so that I don't have /dev/sda's no more. /var/log/syslog doesn't mention usb [09:54] <Myrtti> help. [09:55] <ishit> anyone can help me wit oppenoffice [09:55] <ishit> ??? [09:55] <aeruder> Flying-Penguin: but yea, the funky cd protection stufff... you are out of luck on taht porbably [09:55] <aeruder> ishit: ask your question, don't ask to ask [09:55] <aeruder> Myrtti: unplug, plugin again? [09:55] <Myrtti> nothing [09:56] <Flying-Penguin> aeruder: what if I where to mount a shared cd drive into my /media/cd..... [09:56] <ishit> aeruder openoffice jus does not open [09:56] <aeruder> dmesg | tail shows nothing about usb? [09:56] <Myrtti> even the light on it wont light up [09:56] <aeruder> and don't paste it in here [09:56] <robotgeek> Myrtti: is there a possibility of the USB stick gone kaput...happens often [09:56] <ishit> aeruder: openoffice jus does not open [09:56] <aeruder> Myrtti: well, that sounds like either a.) your usb drive is screwed b.) you don't have usb drivers loaded c.) your usb drivers have crashed [09:57] <Myrtti> robotgeek: sure it is, but I'd like to be sure before I throw it away [09:57] <aeruder> Flying-Penguin: yea, prolly [09:57] <robotgeek> Myrtti: test it on another machine is the best i can come up with [09:57] <Flying-Penguin> aeruder: how would I do that? [09:57] <ishit> does a usb stick load automatically on ubuntu [09:57] <Nathanial> PHP still isn't working [09:57] <Myrtti> aeruder: nothing, only about eth0 [09:57] <aeruder> Myrtti: try another computer or look through dmesg for something [09:57] <Myrtti> yup [09:57] <Nathanial> I'm getting a download =\ [09:57] <aeruder> Myrtti: yea, ok [09:57] <Nathanial> it should be a forum installer page [09:57] <aeruder> Myrtti: just try another computer, it may be dead [09:58] <aeruder> Flying-Penguin: i gave you the mount command up there [09:58] <aeruder> Flying-Penguin: change the mount directory [09:58] <Madpilot> Nathanial: I got PHP4 working just fine on this box - follow these directions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP [09:58] <ntldr> I got ksensors working \o/ [09:58] <Flying-Penguin> aeruder: I know what the mount command is... but I don't think I can put in smb://bill/etc... [09:58] <Myrtti> goddammit, the other computer doesn't have USB [09:58] <ntldr> thanks guys [09:58] <Myrtti> arh [09:58] <Madpilot> ntldr: cool [09:58] <robotgeek> Myrtti: you have an weekend ahead of you :) [09:58] <ORiON2012> Nathanial: It sounds like either mod_php (if running apache) isn't loaded, or you didn't set the .php handler correctly [09:58] <cjnodell> I have set the video output to ALSA, but still no sound [09:59] <cjnodell> in VLC [09:59] <ntldr> it's weird that case fans shows half of real speed [09:59] <aeruder> Flying-Penguin: you'll need the iso on your machine, or mounting loopback off of the samba share may work [09:59] <Myrtti> robotgeek: this wasn't exactly what I planned to do on it :-( [09:59] <ORiON2012> cjnodell: ALSA is for audio [09:59] <ntldr> how do I fix that [09:59] <ntldr> ? [09:59] <aeruder> not sure if samba has that capability, some network filesystems do not [09:59] <crimsun> cjnodell: did you install vlc-alsa? [09:59] <ORiON2012> cjnodell: are you running a sound daemon like arts or esd? [10:00] <aeruder> ntldr: that's something you have to fix with your sensors program [10:00] <aeruder> ntldr: more than likely [10:00] <Flying-Penguin> aeruder: I didn't say mount and ISO I said a shared drive [10:00] <james_> Hi I have just installed breezy and I am not getting any sound. "Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)" [10:00] <cjnodell> I did install vlc.alsa, and i have no idea what daemons i might have running [10:00] <crimsun> james_: cat /proc/asound/cards [10:00] <Flying-Penguin> aeruder: with an iso I would get the same problem as an iso... [10:00] <aeruder> a lot of the sensors are just crazy wrong and mixed up or stuff like that, the sensors program you are using must be flexible enough to configure it for that [10:00] <crimsun> cjnodell: lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* [10:00] <crimsun> james_: then paste the output from amixer onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl [10:00] <james_> crimsun, 0 [ICH5 ] : ICH4 - Intel ICH5 [10:00] <james_> Intel ICH5 with AD1985 at 0xfebff400, irq 17 [10:01] <james_> crimsun, ok i'll remember that site :D [10:01] <james_> sorry [10:01] <ntldr> OK, I found the fix. I set the multiplier to 2 on case fan speeds [10:01] <ORiON2012> Flying-Penguin: please explain what you're trying to do, use a NTFS volume as the game directory? Or use a shared CD-ROM? [10:02] <Madpilot> ntldr: yeah, that's a hack, but it give you the numbers you're expecting - I just make sure that the number > 0, and let it go with that... [10:02] <cjnodell> three items where listed, esd, gmplayer, and gmplayer [10:02] <Flying-Penguin> ORiON2012: no, a windows computer that has the cd in shares their drive... then I mount it [10:02] <blk> can someone help me on a breezy issue with xkb? i get an xkb error when setting the keyboard to something using the gnome-keyboard-pref (it seems although is working in a en_US mode which is probably hardcoded) - setting the layout in xorg.conf doesn't help either [10:02] <Nathanial> is there a way to chmod something through terminal? [10:02] <james_> crimsun, ok I pasted the output of asound here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1415 [10:03] <aeruder> Nathanial: chmod ? :) [10:03] <Madpilot> Nathanial: on a command line? of course - chmod itself. type "man chmod" for info [10:03] <ntldr> ok, i think actually the measurements are wrong. it shows weird speeds (from 600 rpm to 1200 rmp in a second) [10:03] <Nathanial> okay thank you :) [10:03] <aeruder> chmod 664 file ;) [10:03] <aeruder> or whatever perms you want [10:03] <aeruder> chmod -R 664 dir would recursively do a directory and all files/dirs in it [10:04] <aeruder> Nathanial: you can also do things like chmod u+w file or g+w or o+rw or o-w etc. etc.. [10:04] <crimsun> james_: you need to mute the External Amplifier [10:04] <Myrtti> well now [10:04] <Myrtti> it doesm [10:04] <james_> crimsun, ok how do I do that? [10:04] <cjnodell> Should i restart gnome? [10:04] <Myrtti> it doesn't even locate the usb card reader that hasn't been connected to the computer [10:05] <aeruder> ntldr: a lot of the sensors are b0rked, you can't do a lot about it [10:05] <crimsun> james_: use either Volume Control, alsamixer, or amixer [10:05] <ntldr> :( [10:05] <aeruder> either get a program that lets you apply multipliers to the results or just ignore it [10:05] <Draucon> q time [10:05] <Flying-Penguin> ORiON2012: you there? [10:05] <james_> crimsun, ok I muted it but I still do not hear anything [10:06] <Myrtti> however brw-r----- 1 root plugdev 8, 0 2005-08-20 11:04 sda [10:06] <ntldr> aeruder, this board's sensors are ok with Intel's drivers [10:06] <Myrtti> is that ok? [10:06] <aeruder> Myrtti: check dmesg [10:06] <ntldr> anyway, at least they show something :) [10:06] <aeruder> it'll tell you when you plugin a usb ;) [10:07] <ntldr> cpu temp and cpu fan speeds look real [10:07] <Madpilot> ntldr: most of the chip makers don't care about open source at all - therefore bad support. but a little bit of info is better than nothing [10:07] <itay> Hi everyone! [10:07] <Nathanial> eep [10:07] <Nathanial> "You may want your current user to be the PHP pages administrator. To do so, edit the Apache configuration file : [10:07] <Nathanial> $ sudo gedit /etc/apache2/apache2.conf [10:07] <Nathanial> Search both the strings starting by "User" and "Group", and change the names by the current username and groupname you are using. Then you'll need to restart Apache. (look at the next chapter concerning apache commands) " [10:07] <crimsun> james_: then unmute it and Center, LFE, and [10:07] <ORiON2012> Flying-Penguin: sorry, was afk, can you mount this drive as a normal device... sorry still not quite understanding how windows and ubuntu can share cdroms [10:07] <aeruder> ntldr: that's just how it goes [10:07] <Madpilot> !paste [10:07] <ntldr> Madpilot, true [10:07] <ubotu> I guess paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text [10:07] <crimsun> james_: -and [10:07] <Nathanial> I'm having problems figuring out what that means [10:07] <itay> I have problem with the X server, I can't run a few applications... [10:07] <Nathanial> current user name and group [10:07] <itay> The error is: [10:07] <itay> Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0" [10:08] <aeruder> itay: you need to load the glx extension ;) [10:08] <oceandead> wow that was easy...*too* easy [10:08] <mojo> hi every1, I SERIOUSLY need some help here [10:08] <aeruder> itay: what video card? [10:08] <itay> aeruder, how do I do that? [10:08] <itay> nvidia [10:08] <aeruder> itay: ok, open /etc/X11/xorg.conf [10:08] <mojo> the Ubuntu setup can't regconize my SATA HDD, what should I do? [10:08] <aeruder> go to the section called Module [10:08] <itay> ok [10:08] <itay> ok [10:09] <aeruder> do you see a Load "glx" in there? [10:09] <itay> yes [10:09] <Madpilot> Nathanial: you're going to open the apache configuration file and change it to your own user & group, that's all [10:09] <aeruder> ok [10:09] <aeruder> itay: now, open /var/log/Xorg.0.log [10:09] <|doug|> Hi all, I bought a USB tv tuner and am messing around with tvtime, does anyone have any idea what (if anything) the USB device would be in /dev/ ? [10:09] <itay> ok [10:09] <Madpilot> Nathanial: can I /msg you to give you more detail? [10:09] <ORiON2012> Flying-Penguin: anyway, if you can't mount this as some sort of block device then cedega will never be able to utilize it's scu-rom (or whatever protection) hadnlers [10:10] <ORiON2012> sorry for spelling [10:10] <aeruder> itay: look through there for lines that contain glx (case insensitive) [10:10] <aeruder> see any warnings or errors? [10:10] <Flying-Penguin> ORiON2012: ok... lets say a windows comp shares his cd drive over the windows network... then it would be at smb://compname/D then mount it... [10:10] <james_> crimsun, ok they are unmuted but still nothing [10:10] <cjnodell> I got it to work. I figured that since i had esd running that i should install the esd plugin for vlc, and enable it in the prefrences menu. it works now. thanks! [10:11] <crimsun> james_: then try combinations of the exchange elements. [10:11] <mojo> the Ubuntu setup can't regconize my SATA HDD, what should I do? [10:11] <Nathanial> Madpilot [10:11] <Nathanial> Sure [10:11] <Nathanial> Sorry I was trying to figure it out [10:11] <aeruder> mojo: assuming that you are a newbie, you are fscked [10:11] <ntldr> Well, it seems that intel made drivers for SuSE and RedHat [10:11] <itay> aeruder, should I use: "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep glx"? [10:11] <aeruder> mojo: try colony 3 cd [10:11] <arphetic> !help [10:11] <aeruder> itay: grep -i [10:12] <oceandead> breezy is going to be excellent [10:12] <ORiON2012> Flying-Penguin: sorry, but if the game doesn't have punkbuster, its ten times easier to just install and crack, I don't believe the copy protection will be transmitted over a network mounted filesystem [10:12] <jtan325> is breezy usable? [10:12] <itay> here are 2 lines from the output: [10:12] <itay> Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved! [10:12] <itay> (EE) GLX is not supported with the Composite extension [10:12] <jtan325> anyone notice the topic no longer contains "please don't use breezy yet!" [10:12] <aeruder> itay: ok that last one is your culprit [10:12] <Flying-Penguin> ORiON2012: could you find me a wc3 no cdcrack... [10:13] <ORiON2012> aeruder: any opinion on this? [10:13] <aeruder> itay: unless you are using the way way way way way newest nvidia drivers [10:13] <Flying-Penguin> ORiON2012: I will try it for you [10:13] <aeruder> ORiON2012: you are correct [10:13] <aeruder> you can't get cd copy protection over a network [10:13] <james_> crimsun, I just tried a combo and I am not getting any sound [10:13] <aeruder> itay: you can't have composite and glx [10:13] <itay> aeruder, I installed the driver by ubuntu guide [10:14] <aeruder> itay: what version? [10:14] <itay> what is composite? [10:14] <itay> aeruder, the nvidia-glx version is 1.0.7174-0ubuntu1 [10:14] <aeruder> itay: it is a extension that allows a feature called the composite extension which lets you have translucent windows and shadows and other neat stuff [10:15] <aeruder> itay: ok, that's too old, open /etc/X11/xorg.conf [10:15] <aeruder> go down to the Extensions section [10:15] <aeruder> Option "Composite" "Enable" [10:15] <aeruder> prefix that line with # [10:15] <azriel0184> what is a good cd burning program? [10:15] <aeruder> save, restart X [10:16] <oceandead> i just set up printing over lan in about 2 seconds [10:16] <|doug|> azriel0184, try k3b [10:16] <itay> aeruder, ok I will now restart and come back here [10:16] <oceandead> breezy really is breezy [10:16] <aeruder> itay: okie [10:16] <jtan325> oceandead, it hasn't caused any problems? [10:16] <aeruder> oceandead: the upgrade was a little quirky ;) [10:16] <ntldr> is there a video card test tool similar to dxdiag in windows? [10:16] <oceandead> tell me about it [10:16] <oceandead> upgrade didnt work for me [10:16] <aeruder> oceandead: had to do a couple dpkg --force things to get it there ;) [10:16] <aeruder> on two packages at least [10:17] <ntldr> I need to check if my video card is installed properly [10:17] <jtan325> hmmm yeah i think i''ll wait a few weeks [10:17] <jtan325> i don [10:17] <jtan325> 't mind [10:17] <oceandead> kept throwing errors didnt want to startx ...eventually i got it to but too many troubles - did a fresh install [10:17] <|doug|> anyone have any experience with USB tv tuners or similar devices? I think my question is pretty generic, I just need to figure out if and where there is something in /dev/ linking to it [10:18] <oceandead> i got it to startx that is [10:18] <|doug|> /dev/video0 doesn't work, and most of the google results are about PCI tuners [10:18] <aeruder> |doug|: try dmesg and check your kernel logs [10:18] <aeruder> :) [10:18] <aeruder> oceandead: yea, i guess i can try a startx [10:18] <aeruder> brb hopefully [10:18] <crimsun> james_: have you tried alsa-source from universe, then? [10:19] <james_> crimsun, no not yet. [10:19] <crimsun> !tell james_ about alsa-source [10:19] <itay> hi! it works! [10:19] <Myrtti> I Hate My Life [10:20] <itay> Thank you very much! [10:20] <oceandead> basically it killed ...a lot of things. then again i wasnt upgrading the "default" hoary install ..i had removed some packages, added others etc [10:20] <|doug|> okay, I might have some luck with USBVision drivers [10:20] <jtan325> hmmm yeah [10:24] <ntldr> Gotta go. Thanks guys! [10:24] <aeruder> oceandead yea, might be a while til i get this crap worked out :) [10:24] <james_> thanks crimsun I will try it now :D [10:24] <zerboxx> what is the reverse command to "cut"? (head vs tail, cut vs ?)??? [10:25] <oceandead> what kind of issues have you had aeruder - or too many to list? [10:25] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: "paste" [10:25] <aeruder> oceandead mostly just xorg issues now [10:25] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: man paste ;) [10:26] <aeruder> oceandead finding the fixed font ;) [10:26] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: hmm not sure if that's what I mean, cut seems to take from the end of an output and goes left, I'm looking for something that goes the other way [10:26] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: ah, I see [10:26] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: actually, other way around :D [10:26] <oceandead> i dont even know how i got it started, i re-did base-config and used http for sources eventually whatever i did i got it started [10:27] <Madpilot> blah, it's already 0125 here... good night/morning/$timeofday, everyone [10:27] <oceandead> gnome panels were gone though, no text in firefox ...bunch of other things [10:27] <aeruder> oceandead yeh, i'll get through it all [10:27] <aeruder> oceandead hopefully ;) [10:28] <oceandead> hehehe [10:28] <H0lyD4wg> what should be done to run gdmflexiserver successfully from VT1-6 ? [10:29] <oceandead> did you get the "perl warning: setting locale failed [...] " as well? [10:29] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: XD put this into a terminal "ifconfig eth0 | head -n2 | tail -n1 | cut -c21-33" [10:29] <|doug|> err no luck, I installed usbvision drivers and loaded the module, but still can't find a device for my capture card [10:30] <oonoon> during the boot, it takes much time (like 1 minute) to 'Configuring network interfaces' (i'm connected to a wifi network) ; knows how to avoid that ? [10:30] <aeruder> oceandead uh... [10:31] <oceandead> guess not [10:31] <james_> crimsun, I tried what you typed but I get this error [10:31] <james_> You don't have the compiler that your kernel was built with installed [10:31] <james_> make: *** [configure-stamp] Error 1 [10:31] <zerboxx> I'm behind a router, is there any way within the terminal to see what my external IP is? [10:31] <ubuntu> I'm trying to update hoary to breezy, but some packages depends of libcairo1>=0.6.0, but this is not avaiable. Any solution ? [10:32] <ubuntu> there is only libcairo2 avaiable [10:32] <aeruder> oceandead doesn't look like it [10:33] <crimsun> james_: do you have build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed? [10:34] <james_> crimsun, yes they are installed [10:34] <|doug|> dmesg only tells me ``usb 1-7: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7'' [10:34] <crimsun> james_: gcc -v && cat /proc/version [10:34] <crimsun> james_: paste the output in #flood [10:35] <james_> crimsun, ok [10:35] <aeruder> oceandead yea, not looking good at all :) [10:36] <oceandead> whats not looking good [10:36] <crimsun> james_: Breezy? [10:36] <crimsun> james_: there're quite a few things in flux in Breezy [10:36] <james_> crimsun, yeah [10:37] <james_> crimsun, I tried hoary but samething no sound [10:37] <crimsun> james_: you need to use gcc-3.4 to compile the newer ALSA drivers [10:37] <james_> ok. so does that mean I need to use hoary again? [10:37] <aeruder> oceandead : xorg's possibilities of working :) [10:37] <crimsun> james_: not necessarily, but you do need the same C compiler [10:38] <oceandead> if i got it to work im sure you can [10:38] <ntldr> I can't install latest NVidia drivers. I get some errors: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1416 [10:38] <itay> hi again! [10:38] <nEmiSH> where is the correct place to ask question about HAL? [10:38] <itay> I am trying to run enemy territory, but it stuck in "sound initialization". [10:38] <james_> crimsun, ok do I just apt for gcc-3.4? [10:38] <itay> what's the problem? [10:38] <oceandead> though, it may not be worth the trouble once you do? [10:38] <aeruder> oceandead it is segfaulting ;) (xorg) [10:38] <oceandead> doh [10:38] <crispynix-v6> nEmiSH: well, there's one person in #hal ;) [10:38] <oceandead> didnt get that bad on me [10:39] <nEmiSH> crispynix-v6, ChanServ? [10:39] <crispynix-v6> nEmiSH: dunno. you could ask here, I guess. [10:39] <nEmiSH> well i'm having a problem with hal's auto mounting a device [10:40] <itay> what's the problem with the sound? [10:40] <nEmiSH> i have tried to create a FDI to get around these problems [10:40] <ntldr> can someone help me with my problem? =>> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1416 [10:40] <ntldr> :) [10:40] <zerboxx> I'm behind a router, is there any way within the terminal to see what my external IP is??? [10:40] <nEmiSH> FDI mounts to correct mount point but doesn't mount with correct fstype and mounts RO instead of RW [10:41] <nEmiSH> i know it works because I can mount using fstab entry and it mounts fine [10:41] <james_> zerboxx, http://www.whatismyip.com/ [10:41] <zerboxx> james_: any way within terminal though? [10:41] <nEmiSH> just when HAL auto mounts it seems to be the problem [10:41] <james_> zerboxx, nope [10:41] <itay> enemy territory gets stuck when it tries to initialize the sound... [10:42] <crispynix-v6> nEmiSH: hrm, I'm not sure whether or not hal uses per-user options, but you could check the stuff in /etc/hal/ and documentation [10:42] <oceandead> itay have you looked on the forums? [10:42] <crimsun> james_: yeah [10:42] <itay> oceandead, no, what forums? ubuntu forum? [10:42] <crispynix-v6> nEmiSH: hal automount at least uses pmount iirc, which can be called by an unpriv user [10:43] <oceandead> yep [10:43] <james_> crimsun, ok I will download it then [10:43] <oceandead> theres a whole board devoted to gaming ... [10:43] <crispynix-v6> nEmiSH: actually, nevermind (it can't) [10:44] <deufo> is there a way to get the ricoh card reader to work? [10:44] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: install ez-ipupdate and set up an account on dyndns.org that points at your current IP - then doing " host foo.yourdyndns.org" or whatever returns your IP [10:45] <james_> itay, I had the same problem. when you run it in the terminal there is actually a fix in the error that tells you how to get it working. [10:45] <aeruder> deufo tried googling? [10:45] <Xyc0> http://thepiratebay.org/legal.php <--Always a good laugh at Corporate America's ignorance of the world. [10:45] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: awesome, thanks! [10:45] <aeruder> deufo because with that specific of a question, you'll get a lot better luck with google than you will in here most likely [10:45] <nEmiSH> crispynix-v6, hal is trying to mount my UDF (Iomega REV drive) as a cdrom fs=cdfss and ro... [10:46] <deufo> aeruder, i read somewhere on the forum that ricoh SD card readers dun work [10:46] <deufo> aeruder, just wondering if its true [10:46] <nEmiSH> if i mount through fstab or manually it mounts fs=udf, rw [10:46] <james_> crimsun, ok it looks like it is compiling now :) [10:46] <aeruder> deufo best thing to do is mess around and try it [10:46] <aeruder> deufo find some instructions for another card reader and see if they work [10:46] <deufo> aeruder, ty [10:47] <crispynix-v6> nEmiSH: well, you probably need to change something in /etc/hal/, I don't know. There should be documentation that covers the intricacies of hal. [10:48] <emilio> hola [10:48] <aeruder> emilio hola [10:49] <emilio> tengo una preguntilla [10:49] <nEmiSH> crispynix-v6, problem is rev drive appears to systems.. including windows as a CDrom drive because its UDF [10:49] <emilio> a ver si me podias hechar una mano [10:49] <nEmiSH> i need to have HAL override that default behavior and specify that this can mount RW as opposed to RO [10:49] <aeruder> emilio eek, me no hablo bueno espanol [10:49] <emilio> quiero instalar netbeans en ubuntu pero no me va [10:50] <emilio> ok [10:50] <crispynix-v6> nEmiSH: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/hal [10:50] <emilio> i want install netbeans in ubuntu [10:51] <crispynix-v6> nEmiSH: aha, #freedesktop might be a better place to ask. gl :) [10:51] <abyss> lo what i need for dvd playback? [10:51] <ORiON2012> emilio: does netbeans installer tell an error? [10:52] <emilio> do you chat about java? [10:52] <ORiON2012> emilio: many people have had problems with it and JBuilder [10:52] <emilio> do you know chat about java [10:52] <emilio> ok [10:52] <aeruder> emilio you may have luck in another channel [10:52] <llpamies> I edited my grup's menu.lst, and now, when I do a dpkg-reconfigure linux-image... It dont regenerate correctlt my menu.lst. How can I tell dpkg to regenerate my menu.lst ? [10:52] <llpamies> thanks [10:52] <ORiON2012> emilio: I am a Java developer, but have not used Netbeans before in linux [10:52] <aeruder> emilio is there a #java? [10:53] <emilio> mi ingles is little bad ok [10:53] <aeruder> emilio certainly a lot better than my spanish ;) [10:53] <ORiON2012> emilio: no problem [10:54] <aeruder> emilio you might ask in ##java channel [10:54] <aeruder> emilio they have lots of people, and there may be some linux users [10:54] <HappyFool> llpamies: what is it not doing? I think the command might be 'update-grub' -- I don't know if the dpkg-reconfigure will call that [10:54] <abyss> !dvd [10:54] <ubotu> [dvd] There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good. gstreamer-totem [10:54] <llpamies> I update my kernel-image yesterday, and now I can boot, it return me a kernel panic !! Anybody knows what are this ? [10:55] <aeruder> emilio ubuntu doesn't have netbeans i don't think, but general linux supports it, so any distro's instructions for installing it should work for you [10:55] <aeruder> emilio comprehende? [10:55] <james_> crimsun, ok it is done but I don't hear anything still. do I need to reboot? [10:56] <emilio> i dowload netbeans 4.1 linux.bin and i execute ./netbeans .. but functional [10:56] <Velox> llpamies: can you give us a full paste of the error by pasting it to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl? [10:56] <JBpunk> [10:56] <aeruder> emilio how big of download? [10:56] <abyss> can anybody tell me what codecs i need to play a dvd on ubuntu? [10:56] <emilio> 54 megas [10:56] <james_> abydos, libdvdcss2 [10:57] <crimsun> james_: if you didn't unload the old modules and reload the new ones, yes [10:57] <james_> ok [10:57] <crimsun> back tomorrow. [10:57] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: Thanks for the dyndns.org info, works perfectly. What must I do to keep this updated now? [10:57] <llpamies> Velox, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1417 [10:57] <aeruder> emilio any error when you tried to run ./netbeans... ? [10:58] <ORiON2012> aeruder: heh, that's what I asked [10:58] <JBpunk> Totem*.mpg [10:58] <ORiON2012> maybe hes asking in #java [10:58] <dabar> JBpunk: napusi se kurca. [10:58] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: ez-ipdate can update on connect - sudo dpkg-reconfigure ez-ipdate to set it I seem to recall [10:58] <aeruder> ORiON2012 perhaps [10:58] <emilio> no existe el fichero o directorio but it,s well write [10:59] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: I use it that way for my dialup anyway [10:59] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: wow, thanks! [10:59] <ORiON2012> emilio: which directory, can you cut and paste it? [10:59] <aeruder> emilio ./netbeans<tab> [10:59] <dabar> emilio: so? the file dont exist. [10:59] <llpamies> HappyFool, yes update-grub works fine [10:59] <emilio> yes [10:59] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: you can run it as a daemon I think [10:59] <emilio> i.m dowloading again [10:59] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: I see that, not sure if I will or not yet :) [10:59] <aeruder> emilio does it show full filename when you hit tab? [10:59] <aeruder> emilio also, try sh netbeans<tab> [11:00] <dbernar1> emilio: you have asked at ubuntu-es? [11:00] <leo_> my box is Ubuntu, where is right path for httpd.conf cos i want to setup virtual host [11:00] <leo_> can anyone help me, please [11:00] <ORiON2012> #ubnuntu-es, excellent idea [11:00] <emilio> ok thank you [11:00] <dbernar1> no [11:00] <aeruder> leo_ /etc/apache2 has all the apache configs [11:00] <ORiON2012> dbernar1: didn't know it existed... [11:00] <aeruder> yah, me neither [11:00] <dbernar1> !es [11:00] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. [11:01] <aeruder> i was about to start crappy half-english/spanish to communicate with him [11:01] <aeruder> and that wouldn't have been pretty [11:01] <dbernar1> mah.. [11:01] <james_> crimsun, ok I just rebooted and there is still no sound. [11:01] <dbernar1> james_: good. [11:01] <aeruder> i remember enough spanish to communicate, but a lot of words i've forgotten :) [11:01] <leo_> ya, but i see only 4 lines in httpd.conf file in /etc/apache2/ [11:02] <aeruder> leo_ look in sites-enabled [11:02] <Velox> aeruder: Indeed...I know broken spanish myself. Unfortunately I find myself forgetting most of my lessons :P [11:02] <dbernar1> :57 < crimsun> back tomorrow. [11:02] <james_> dbernar1, huh?? [11:02] <ORiON2012> dbernar1: good? [11:02] <dbernar1> oh, that... [11:02] <james_> ahh ok [11:03] <dbernar1> maybe wasnt gonna work anyhow, they finished part of it or asomething... [11:03] <leo_> can u explain more [11:03] <dbernar1> leo, searched for the file? [11:03] <ORiON2012> leo_: in the apache config directory [11:04] <leo_> ya, i found only one httpd.conf [11:04] <ORiON2012> a2ensite, some such nonsense, hate the new synlink crap [11:04] <aeruder> leo_ look at some of the files in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled [11:04] <Velox> HappyFool: I never did get GRUB to work yet. Until then I'm stuck accessing Ubuntu with VMware Virtual Workstation, directly interfacing with the drive...and GRUB actually works with it >_< [11:04] <dbernar1> leo, looked at an online manual? apache ought to be well documented... [11:04] <HappyFool> Velox: hmm. did you ever try ompaul's idea of unplugging your SATA drive? just to see if it works? [11:05] <dbernar1> leo.../usr/share/doc/apache/examples/httpd.conf [11:05] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: html2text http://checkip.dyndns.org:8245/ <-- try it ;) [11:05] <dbernar1> yours will be apache 2 maybe. [11:05] <emilio> join #java [11:05] <llpamies> I've a kernel panic after update my hoary laptop. In booting it tell me that can't mount my root /dev/hda2, or bad block 0,0. Is a strange message when I install my kernel, see it here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1417 [11:05] <aeruder> dbernar1 they have a complicated setup for apache2 configs [11:05] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: nice :) [11:06] <thoreauputic> :) [11:06] <Velox> HappyFool: Actually I never saw that one...I also tried loading GRUB from NTLDR after using bootpart...still didn't work. [11:06] <zerboxx> zerboxx: I finally figured out ez-ipupdate :) so that's perfect now, I get a nice IP info thing, AND a dns! [11:06] <Velox> I'll try unplugging the SATA drive later. [11:06] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: I finally figured out ez-ipupdate :) so that's perfect now, I get a nice IP info thing, AND a dns! [11:06] <dbernar1> zerboxx: why talk to yourself? [11:06] <zerboxx> ...yes I'm tired :) [11:06] <Velox> Right now I full-screened Kubuntu and am getting my Linux fix in. [11:06] <zerboxx> dbernar1: :P I'm tired [11:06] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: html2text http://checkip.dyndns.org:8245/ | grep IP <-- nicer ;) [11:06] <dbernar1> you type pretty fast... [11:07] <dbernar1> zerboxx: Im gonna get a computer just for that, and servers. [11:07] <zerboxx> dbernar1: that's because it's like a natural thing, not thinking though ;) [11:07] <leo_> in sites-enabled folder, i see 000-default that has virtual host lines in inside but it is read only file [11:08] <zerboxx> dbernar1: Today I've set up apache, mysql, php, torrentflux, conky, and now this dns thingy :) [11:08] <ORiON2012> llpamies: so that would imply that there's something wrong with the filesystem or you did something nasty,, any idea which it wouyld be? [11:08] <ORiON2012> sorry for spelling [11:09] <aeruder> leo_ are you root? [11:09] <leo_> ya, i can [11:09] <llpamies> ORiON2012, The filesistem is ok, because now I'm chrooted inside with a Live hoary. [11:09] <aeruder> llpamies probably an initrd issue [11:09] <ORiON2012> yep [11:09] <aeruder> llpamies it isn't finding your ide drivers or filesystem drivers [11:10] <llpamies> ORiON2012, I think that the problem is that initrd.img doesn't has the ext3 drivers [11:10] <aeruder> llpamies does it have ext2? [11:10] <llpamies> aeruder, is ext3 [11:10] <oceandead> i wonder if i should add my wireless card to the wiki (HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards) [11:10] <aeruder> llpamies ext2 drivers can mount ext3 [11:11] <llpamies> aeruder, how can I try it ? [11:11] <aeruder> llpamies its hard to debug initrd stuff [11:11] <aeruder> llpamies very hard [11:11] <llpamies> aeruder, do you see my message when I install the kernel ? [11:11] <ORiON2012> oceandead: which card? just curious.. [11:11] <llpamies> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1417 [11:12] <leo_> aeruder, i can root [11:12] <ORiON2012> cpio: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7feb000): No such file or directory [11:12] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: Do you have ex-ipupdate run at startup? [11:12] <ORiON2012> which would mean it can't read filesystem [11:12] <oceandead> dwl-650 v.M1 (realtek rtl8180l chipset, phillips sa-2400 frontend) [11:12] <ORiON2012> or something is really wrong [11:12] <aeruder> llpamies i'm still trying to recover from my breezy upgrade, i'm a bit crippled atm [11:13] <aeruder> because there be lots of changes! [11:13] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: umm... I forget what I did now - been a while - I don't think so [11:13] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: mine just runs when I dial up [11:13] <oceandead> works with drivers from http://rtl8180-sa2400.sourceforge.net (must be compiled first, obviously) and ndiswrapper of course [11:13] <aeruder> leo_ you will (hopefully) need root to edit any files in /etc [11:14] <ORiON2012> aeruder: and yet here I sit, in breezy install, that I've NEVER had upgrade issues with, yes I'm bragging [11:14] <llpamies> aeruder, In my other PC, my breeze update is broken too, all the system depends of libcairo1, and it isn't avaiable [11:14] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: cool [11:14] <oceandead> <- had issues upgrading [11:15] <aeruder> llpamies ;) [11:15] <leo_> aeruder, i am in rood, how can i edit cos i am newbies in linux [11:16] <aeruder> ORiON2012 you installed from scratch breezy more or less :) [11:16] <ORiON2012> llpamies: have to ask, exactly what was performed prior to the kernel upgrade? [11:16] <ORiON2012> aeruder: yup [11:16] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: the html2text thing works from the box you are on - but ez-ipupdate is nice if you want to find the machine from elsewhere [11:16] <aeruder> leo_ install nano, then nano /etc/whatever [11:16] <aeruder> leo_ sudo apt-get install nano [11:17] <thoreauputic> aeruder: nano is installed by default [11:17] <llpamies> ORiON2012, I don't understand, what want you say ? [11:17] <oceandead> nano there by default [11:18] <ORiON2012> llpamies: you said you were upgrading, it would probably be useful to know exactly what you upgraded. [11:18] <oceandead> aeruder can you get your networking going? i did a base-config used http .... then i could get x up [11:18] <oceandead> had no panels in gnome, no text in firefox but i got x up haha [11:18] <llpamies> I upgrade hoary from my update-notifier, and it only upgrade linux-image-2.6.10-5-686 [11:19] <aeruder> oceandead to tell you the truth, i've spent the last 20 minutes looking for xeyes [11:19] <aeruder> only to find i think they split up xbase-clients and forgot it :) [11:19] <aeruder> xeyes is an integral part of my x sessions ;) [11:19] <llpamies> ORiON2012, I think that the problem is that when It try to create the initrd image appear this error: cpio: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7feb000): No such file or directory [11:19] <llpamies> cpio: (0xffffe000): No such file or directory [11:19] <thoreauputic> aeruder: bug report time! *g* [11:20] <oceandead> aeruder, try geyes? [11:20] <i4> where can i find a log of tcp/ip connections made to my computer? [11:20] <ORiON2012> it still sounds like the ext driver problem that aeruder mentioned [11:21] <aeruder_> boo, guess i'll have to deal with tuxeyes [11:21] <llpamies> ORiON2012, and the cpio error is not important? [11:21] <oceandead> a real tragedy [11:21] <ORiON2012> llpamies: I'm sorry ut it's beyond me [11:21] <vot3> can someoone help me? everytime a user logs in and uploads a file i am unable to move the folder because i do not have permission. how can i change this [11:21] <aeruder_> oceandead: i use xeyes as my controlling window [11:21] <ORiON2012> *but [11:22] <aeruder_> that way, i can start another window manager by just quitting one and starting another [11:22] <aeruder_> as long as xeyes is going, the x session stays alive [11:22] <aeruder_> but oh well, tuxeyes will work! [11:22] <ORiON2012> llpamies: this may be useful http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27709.html [11:22] <ORiON2012> llpamies: same error [11:24] <ORiON2012> llpamies: several people solved the problem in that thread [11:24] <chicken-man> Hi every one [11:25] <ORiON2012> hello [11:25] <cute_bettong> anyone know what video resolution is supported by the nvidia geforce 4000mx with 128mb ddr? [11:25] <llpamies> ORiON2012, thanks I'm trying it ! [11:25] <ORiON2012> how rude, nooone says "hi". [11:25] <vot3> can someone tell me how to use umask so that all files uploaded in the /home directories have rwx for all users? [11:25] <cute_bettong> hi lol [11:25] <cute_bettong> sorry to busy typinh crap >.< [11:25] <chicken-man> can some one tell me what the file is that starts up all the programs when i boot ? [11:26] <aeruder_> chicken-man: well, technically /sbin/init [11:26] <chicken-man> thanks [11:26] <aeruder_> chicken-man: but what you're probably talking about is /etc/rc2.d and /etc/rcS.d [11:26] <cute_bettong> any ideas? [11:26] <ORiON2012> chicken-man: and then there's all the init.d scripts [11:26] <aeruder_> which contains all the scripts that get started by init [11:26] <chicken-man> i want to stop XDM from starting [11:26] <aeruder_> chicken-man: sure, go into /etc/rc2.d [11:26] <aeruder_> do ls [11:26] <aeruder_> find the S99xdm or whatever [11:27] <aeruder_> mv S99xdm _99xdm [11:27] <aeruder_> you've disabled it [11:27] <chicken-man> ok [11:27] <ORiON2012> aeruder_: chmod a-x ? [11:27] <aeruder_> well, you could do that too, i usually just rename it as such (which amkes it easy to later reenable) [11:28] <ORiON2012> chicken-man: two sides of the same coin, I'm just anal and like too preserve my filenames [11:28] <ORiON2012> extremely anal [11:29] <No1Viking> When will Breezy be stable and available to download and install? [11:30] <aeruder_> No1Viking: not now, heh [11:30] <ORiON2012> No1Viking: check the wiki for all breezy goodness [11:30] <nerdy2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule [11:30] <abyss> lo anybody there who can tell me how to install a rt2500 base wlan card on ubuntu? [11:30] <nerdy2> sorry, no need for https, anyways, Oct. 13 [11:31] <llpamies> any idea about breezy dependece of libcairo1 ? any solution ? [11:31] <aeruder_> llpamies: it isn't greatly affecting me [11:31] <nerdy2> llpamies: what do you mean? [11:31] <zerboxx> Anyone here comfy with apache?? [11:32] <ORiON2012> abyss: there are no packages that I know of to facilitate this, its going to take some source compilation [11:32] <llpamies> nerdy2, all packages like totem, evolution etc etc depends of libcairo1, and it isn't avaiable. The correct package is libcairo2 [11:33] <oceandead> abyss, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWiredNetworkCards [11:33] <oceandead> oops sorry wrong link [11:33] <oceandead> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards [11:33] <nerdy2> llpamies: i've got totem, evolution, .... all installed, as well as libcairo2 :) [11:33] <aeruder_> there are several packages that you need to just wait to upgrade [11:33] <llpamies> nerdy2, which repos are you using ? [11:33] <nerdy2> archive.ubuntu.com [11:34] <vot3> can someone help me with umask? [11:34] <llpamies> nerdy2, it has any tipe of load balance, or redirect by zone ? [11:34] <llpamies> s/tipe/type/ [11:34] <HappyFool> vot3: what do you want to know? [11:34] <ORiON2012> llpamies: did that forum thread work? [11:35] <vot3> HappyFool: i am trying to set it so that any new uploads in my /home directories are automaticall +rwx for ALL user. [11:35] <nerdy2> llpamies: host shows two addresses for archive.ubuntu.com, about other types of load balancing/redirection i dunno [11:35] <llpamies> ORiON2012, I'm downloading 2.6.12 [11:35] <ORiON2012> llpamies: welcome to the new age :P [11:35] <HappyFool> vot3: setting +x automatically is probably not that useful [11:35] <vot3> HappyFool: ok then, just +rw [11:36] <srijith> hi all [11:36] <ORiON2012> hey [11:36] <llpamies> ORiON2012, I'm going to reboot ... [11:36] <HappyFool> vot3: 'umask 0000' is what you want, i think [11:36] <HappyFool> vot3: i'm not sure where you'd put that, though [11:36] <vot3> k. [11:36] <No1Viking> 7list [11:37] <vot3> does anyone else know? [11:37] <HappyFool> vot3: you can try ~/.gnomerc [11:37] <HappyFool> vot3: if you just need it for shells, put it in ~/.bashrc [11:39] <vot3> HappyFool: i will do both and see what happens [11:39] <srijith> anyone around here use Enigmail with PGP/MIME? [11:39] <vot3> HappyFool: wold i have to do that for each user with a shell? [11:40] <HappyFool> vot3: for all users, you can look in /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc [11:40] <HappyFool> vot3: or add something to /etc/X11/Xsession.d (for GUI) [11:41] <vot3> HappyFool: i have never edited my .bashrc file. where do i put it? [11:41] <HappyFool> vot3: i'm not sure how to set umask for GNOME/KDE [11:41] <HappyFool> vot3: in your home dir [11:41] <ORiON2012> vot3: are all your users of a certain group? [11:41] <vot3> HappyFool: why would i need to set it for the gui? [11:41] <HappyFool> vot3: ~ means 'home' [11:41] <vot3> k [11:41] <HappyFool> vot3: so that when firefox (or whatever) saves a file, it has the desired permissions [11:42] <vot3> HappyFool: i am using scp over an ssh connection to transfer these files. [11:43] <ORiON2012> vot3: this scp transmission transfers to a specified directory or to all users home? [11:43] <HappyFool> vot3: then .bashrc ought to be ok [11:44] <HappyFool> vot3: or you could just type 'umask 0000' before you do the copy ;) [11:44] <ORiON2012> nevermind then [11:44] <demantik> not currently using ubuntu, but...does anybody know much about gnome 2.10, and not getting past the splash screen? lol [11:45] <vot3> # /etc/profile: system-wide .profile file for the Bourne shell (sh(1)) [11:45] <ORiON2012> demantik: now c'mon, there must be useful error mesages [11:45] <vot3> this looks correct [11:45] <weejamer> how do i play wmv in linux? [11:45] <srijith> vlcplayer? [11:45] <HappyFool> !restricted [11:45] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [11:45] <demantik> SESSION_MANAGER=local/10.0.0.2:/tmp/.ICE-unix/4558.....stops at that [11:45] <weejamer> i tryed that but it did not work [11:45] <srijith> wmv9? [11:46] <weejamer> no idea [11:46] <HappyFool> weejamer: some windows formats may not be supported [11:46] <weejamer> thats great [11:46] <demantik> ORiON2012 - any ideas? lol [11:46] <weejamer> everything is a fight to get things working in linux [11:47] <demantik> ^ not entirely [11:47] <srijith> wmv9 would most probably fail in Linux [11:47] <demantik> mplayer plays wmv9 perfectly.. [11:47] <ORiON2012> demantik: not so much, which distro? [11:47] <demantik> Archlinux ;) [11:47] <srijith> weejamer, just like you can't run a .deb file in Windows? :) [11:47] <demantik> ill see if i can find any other error messages.. :( lol [11:48] <ORiON2012> demantik: sorry, but I have no idea [11:48] <vot3> HappyFool: i am not the one copying the files over [11:48] <topyli> you don't "run" debs in linux either :) [11:48] <weejamer> Sigh will there ever be a great OS? [11:48] <gentoo_junkie> anyone figure out how to fix the naim toc server problem ? [11:48] <demantik> alright..thanx anyway....Ubuntu is great!..trying arch aswell though hah... [11:48] <ORiON2012> weejamer: Mac OS X :P [11:48] <demantik> weejamer - linux is great, if u know how to use it. [11:48] <srijith> weejamer, if you know it is wmv9, try this page ->http://www.nanocrew.net/?p=16 [11:48] <demantik> but not one thing is perfect [11:48] <topyli> weejamer: i doubt it. i hope some of them begin to suck less [11:49] <urezin> hi all [11:49] <chicken-man> hi [11:49] <ORiON2012> srijith: how does that help? [11:50] <weejamer> my girl friend is getting a Mac powerbook soon so i will give it mac os a try ORiON2012 [11:50] <demantik> MPLAYER <- the answer to video playback troubles....im yet to find a video it WONT play :| [11:50] <thoreauputic> weejamer: does windows media player play Ogg Theora ? <grin> [11:50] <gentoo_junkie> I am also interested to use max os X [11:50] <weejamer> no idea Ogg Theora is [11:50] <demantik> mplayer plays H264 about twice as good as windows, with any player ;) [11:51] <gentoo_junkie> whois @bob2 [11:51] <demantik> mac os x would be great if we didnt have to pay so much for the hardware [11:51] <weejamer> i hurd mac os will run on a intell based systen [11:51] <thoreauputic> weejamer: what a lousy OS - won't play open video formats!! [11:51] <weejamer> ME want [11:51] <ORiON2012> gentoo_junkie: the only thing I hate about Mac OS X is all the stupid little shareware fees to get native cocoa/carbon apps [11:51] <gentoo_junkie> whoops haha [11:51] <demantik> weejamer - not officially... [11:51] <weejamer> still me want [11:52] <gentoo_junkie> ORiON2012: I am scarred of mac os x more then linux hehe, such a small user base compared to either windows or linux distros [11:52] <demantik> lol [11:52] <demantik> doesnt Mac have a much larger user base than linux [11:52] <oceandead> yeah [11:52] <weejamer> my girl freind is pay throught he roof for the mac laptop but i am getting the free i pod so i am happy [11:52] <vot3> ORiON2012: the scp transmission transfers into a specified users dir, the one who is logged in. but i want all the dirs in /home and all the ones under them to have +rw by default, it seems like it would be easy [11:52] <gentoo_junkie> hmmm. [11:52] <demantik> or does it just seem that way, with the Mac stores everywhere [11:52] <demantik> :F [11:52] <demantik> :D [11:52] <oceandead> no, it does [11:52] <ORiON2012> gentoo_junkie: yes, but at least from my experience they're ten times more psychotically attatched to their OS [11:52] <gentoo_junkie> i am not sure demantik. [11:53] <demantik> indeed. [11:53] <weejamer> lol ORiON2012 i agree [11:53] <oceandead> i dont know about 10x [11:53] <gentoo_junkie> orion2012 nods, and since the linux kernel is ported to mac it should improve. [11:53] <oceandead> but at least 2x [11:53] <demantik> Master Windows In 7 days! <-- books like that are funny.. [11:53] <thoreauputic> very hard to gauge the size of the Linux user base [11:53] <gentoo_junkie> well ubuntu is the biggest distro I know, and ist still growing. [11:53] <Dejavu> hi everyone [11:54] <oceandead> you know osx is gonna wind up running on non-mac hardware ...and i dont think it will take long either [11:54] <weejamer> master windows in 7 days is a popup book in the kids section [11:54] <ORiON2012> vot3: do you have some sort of script for initiating this scp transfer? this would be an ideal candidate for some simple bash scripting [11:54] <thoreauputic> demantik: Master Linux in Seventy Years! [11:54] <gentoo_junkie> shrug i never used a mac machine that didn't boggle me. [11:54] <chicken-man> lol [11:54] <gentoo_junkie> but thats as a windows/linux user. [11:54] <Dejavu> whats the best firewall for linux (ubunut) ? [11:54] <gentoo_junkie> firestarter dejavu [11:55] <vot3> ORiON2012: no, i figured there would be an easy way to set the default umask. /etc/profile has an entry for it but when i tested it it did not work, unless there is something i need to restart before it will take effect? [11:55] <gentoo_junkie> dejavu there also is shorewalls [11:55] <llpamies> ORiON2012, I'm on my laptop again [11:55] <ORiON2012> Dejavu: iptables, they're pretty much all based on iptables [11:55] <oceandead> darn beret wearin mac users [11:55] <llpamies> thanks [11:55] <thoreauputic> oceandead: darn tinfoil hat wearing Linux users! [11:55] <oceandead> i think dejavu wants a gui? [11:55] <Dejavu> i got firestarter running at the moment .. definately is preety neat ! [11:56] <weejamer> i wonder why mac users are always blood thrusty to get other users to mas also [11:56] <oceandead> thoreauputic, hahaha [11:56] <demantik> lol [11:56] <Dejavu> oceandead: yup ! gui is a must [11:56] <weejamer> its like hold on you want a 20 year windows user to change to mac like that [11:56] <oceandead> my tinfoil hat protects me from a lot things [11:56] <chicken-man> GUI's = rubbish [11:56] <gentoo_junkie> i think everyone at one point or another figures out that the CLI is the best way to control your comp. [11:57] <tenco> hi all [11:57] <gentoo_junkie> tenco: HI! :) [11:57] <tenco> how can i install math fonts for konqueror? [11:57] <ORiON2012> vot3: the scp transfer inherits permissions from the transfered file.... is there an scp config you can set to define default umask [11:57] <ORiON2012> ? [11:57] <oceandead> Dejavu, theres a couple out there [11:57] <oceandead> firestarter is one [11:58] <weejamer> untill i see all the windows software on a mac and linux i wont be happy [11:58] <Dejavu> btw .. how much is linux vulnerable to attacts as compared to winxp ? [11:58] <weejamer> unless i am using windows in vmware [11:58] <HappyFool> yeah, i'm looking forward to linux spyware [11:58] <tenco> which fonts do i need to install to view mathml in konqueror? [11:58] <ORiON2012> vot3: man, /etc/profile or bashrc doens't work? [11:59] <weejamer> i think windows is a black hole for spyware... just sucking it all in [11:59] <oceandead> Dejavu, attacks such as [11:59] <ORiON2012> vot3: nm, that's the same suggestion HappyFool had [11:59] <thoreauputic> Gator for Linux ! [11:59] <HappyFool> vot3: /etc/profile might only apply to login shells [11:59] <chicken-man> Dejavu, Linux is far more secure that windows [11:59] <oceandead> spyware? none on linux tiko - viruses not unless you share stuff between it and windows [11:59] <Dejavu> oceandead: net attacks .. like hacking .. trojans and stuff .. [11:59] <oceandead> and as for gaping holes...a lot less [11:59] <mikhail^> Does anybody here use the anjuta IDE? [12:00] <weejamer> windows is rubbish for hacks thats why i block it from the net [12:00] <oceandead> though its easy to get pwn3d [12:00] <oceandead> no matter what [12:00] <abyss> everytime ill try to modprobe the rt2500.ko it says : [12:00] <abyss> FATAL: Module rt2500.ko not found. [12:00] <abyss> y? [12:00] <thoreauputic> abyss: leave the .ko off [12:00] <ORiON2012> vot3: I have no idea how to do this except for something like a bash script that would set it explicitlly [12:00] <oceandead> try modprobe rt2500 [12:00] <Dejavu> humm . well thats one thing i like abt it .. tough im trying to completely swith to linux:D [12:00] <abyss> thoreauputic, it wont work too [12:00] <tenco> which fonts do i need to install to view mathml in konqueror? [12:01] <abyss> FATAL: Module rt2500 not found. [12:01] <oceandead> sudo modprobe rt2500 [12:01] <abyss> root terminal [12:01] <__fabrice__> add it to your /etc/modules and reboot [12:01] <HappyFool> vot3: can you maybe describe what you want to do in more detail? maybe something like 'rsync' would be an appropriate tool [12:01] <demantik> fluxbox kicks ass...gnome can go to hell ;) [12:01] <oceandead> heh [12:01] <vot3> HappyFool: what other kind of shells are there [12:01] <chicken-man> woohoo Fluxbox [12:01] <demantik> :D [12:01] <oceandead> i like xfce [12:01] <thoreauputic> __fabrice__: if he can't modprobe it, it ain't there [12:02] <HappyFool> vot3: non-login ;). If you start a gnome-terminal, it won't be a 'login' shell [12:02] <weejamer> what wanna know is how does MS not finally do somthing about the problems... look at linux it is secure so why don;t they work hard and build a winux [12:02] <demantik> yeah xfce is nice...but..it hasnt been working properly lately..fluxbox is still better imo. [12:02] <ekimus> evilwm! [12:02] <demantik> winux..lmaio [12:02] <oceandead> doh! that sucks demantik [12:02] <thoreauputic> weejamer: Philosophy 101 [12:02] <vot3> happyfool: my girlfriend logged into my computer using winscp as she uses windows, but every file she uploads is -rw, as in i want to move the folders she uploads straight to another directory but first i have to change the permissions on them [12:02] <demantik> hah [12:02] <weejamer> lindows was taken demantik [12:02] <oceandead> yeah right ...that would actually take effort on their part [12:02] <HappyFool> abydos: i don't have a rt2500.ko file on my system; maybe you don't either? [12:03] <oceandead> theyre not about quality product [12:03] <tenco> which fonts do i need to install to view mathml in konqueror? [12:03] <vot3> and it seems to me like there would be an easy way to set default permissions for files/folders uploaded by users, like umask. i am quite surprised the umask entry in /etc/profiles did not work to [12:03] <HappyFool> vot3: hmm [12:03] <srid> what does the DVD iso contain apart from the packages in normal Install CD? [12:03] <vot3> the umask i am looking for is 0000, correct? [12:03] <oceandead> 000 [12:03] <vot3> ah [12:03] <vot3> maybe that explains it [12:03] <vot3> i will try again [12:03] <HappyFool> vot3: if she's always copying to a specific directory, there may be an easier way [12:03] <oceandead> allows all rw [12:03] <weejamer> why make somthing thats perfect when you can make somthing with faults so the customer will rely on you.... some day that will backfire on microsoft [12:04] <mikhail^> will upgrading to Breezy (eventually when it's released) be as "painless" as the upgrade from Warty to Hoary? [12:04] <srid> mikhail^: hopefully [12:04] <oceandead> only way to find out is to wait and see i guess [12:04] <Dejavu> srid: if ur talking abt the ubuntu new dvd ... i think it gives u option to liveboot and install linux ! [12:04] <thoreauputic> mikhail^: my crystal ball says the sky will fall [12:04] <vot3> HappyFool: it usually is a specific directory. [12:05] <srid> Dejavu: yes, but are there *extra* packages in it? [12:05] <oceandead> heh [12:05] <mikhail^> I don't wanna work with any other distro now that I've seen Ubuntu.. [12:05] <srid> Dejavu: the DVD iso is of size 2.5g ! [12:05] <oceandead> it did for me but its early yet [12:05] <mikhail^> (for a desktop distro that is) [12:05] <HappyFool> vot3: you can try settings the 'set GID bit' on the directory permissions (chmod g+s directoryname) [12:05] <HappyFool> vot3: then the files created in that dir be always be of the same group as the directory [12:05] <oceandead> i must say, i love ubuntu [12:05] <vot3> no, that does not sound right. [12:06] <vot3> what do you mean same group as the directory? [12:06] <tenco> which fonts do i need to install to view mathml in konqueror? [12:06] <HappyFool> vot3: well, the idea is you set the directories group to a group your user is a member of [12:06] <Dejavu> srid: not much i know of it .. but alot of goodies like wine and samba and tons of library files [12:06] <HappyFool> vot3: alternatively, just setup samba, and use that for file transfer [12:07] <oceandead> i dont see a driver module for the rtl8180 chipset in breezy, too bad [12:07] <vot3> and if that group is one that all users share then they will all have +rw to all files uploaded in those dirs? [12:07] <shortcircuit> required update to kernel 2.6.10-34.4 broke my sound [12:07] <vot3> HappyFool: why is samba an alternative? would'nt it have trouble with these permissions too? [12:07] <HappyFool> vot3: hmm. well, you should at least have read rights [12:07] <vot3> well i can read them [12:07] <vot3> but i cannot move the folders because a different user put them there [12:08] <HappyFool> hrm [12:08] <vot3> if i put my user in her group i will have +rw to her files right? [12:08] <HappyFool> no [12:08] <oceandead> is x going to be modular at release? i like that i can take out the drivers i dont need [12:08] <HappyFool> not necessarily -- depends on group permissions [12:08] <ORiON2012> vot3: scp doesn't use a login shell, I've tested locally and by adding "umask ***" to my bashrc (or whatever rc your shell uses it works it worked for me [12:08] <vot3> how do i set group permissions? [12:08] <oceandead> at breezy release, that is [12:08] <Michael> Hi, where is the archive grup.conf or lilo.conf? [12:09] <HappyFool> ORiON2012: so scp *does* look at ~/.bashrc ? [12:09] <HappyFool> Michael: /boot/grub/menu.lst [12:09] <ORiON2012> for me it does [12:09] <oceandead> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst [12:09] <HappyFool> lilo.conf is probably in /etc [12:09] <chicken-man> can some one tell me how i would reinstall grub after i install windows 98 ? [12:09] <HappyFool> ORiON2012: cool, will remember that [12:09] <vot3> ORiON2012: so it would not work for files transfered using scp? what kind of protocol does scp use? because it connects on my sshd [12:09] <HappyFool> !grub [12:09] <ubotu> rumour has it, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [12:09] <HappyFool> chicken-man: see those urls [12:09] <n> I've just tried the latest opensuse beta and I'm very impressed with its 'Suspend to disk' shutdown/boot feature which has halved my boot time. Will breezy implement this too? [12:10] <marcin> oceandead: afaik there is no linux driver for rtl8180 [12:10] <marcin> oceandead: you need to use ndiswrapper (8180 - wireless NIC - right?) [12:10] <oceandead> ah, but there is ...well at least the ones with certain frontends [12:10] <ORiON2012> vot3: is a cron script not feasible for your intentions? [12:10] <oceandead> ill find the link - [12:10] <vot3> i do not know what a cron sciprt is, but it sounds like overkill [12:10] <HappyFool> can't you add 'umask 0000' to your girlfriend's ~/.bashrc ? [12:11] <vot3> this seems like such a small easy thing, ubuntu is very configurable about everything else, i do not see why i would have to script for this [12:11] <graabein> hey guys, i have no sound. i ran alsamixer and it says master [off] [12:11] <vot3> HappyFool: i would, but i do not understand the syntax of the file. [12:11] <oceandead> http://rtl8180-sa2400.sourceforge.net/ [12:11] <HappyFool> vot3: ah. just add that command on a line by itself [12:11] <Michael> ok. Thak you [12:11] <HappyFool> vot3: say, at the bottom [12:11] <thoreauputic> graabein: did you hit "m" to unmute? [12:11] <Dejavu> is there a possibiliy of a Kernel that has a super support for Graphics ? [12:11] <ORiON2012> I transfered via scp a file from a server with "umask 002" in my bashrc and it worked [12:11] <oceandead> ive used them with my dwl-650 v.M1 [12:11] <n> suspend ram to disk feature in breezy maybe, anybody? [12:12] <graabein> thoreauputic, thanks! that did the trick! [12:12] <thoreauputic> no worries :) [12:12] <abyss> lo anyone can help me after reboot my mac the soundserver wont work [12:12] <HappyFool> vot3: no quotes though -- just umask 0000 [12:13] <n> Are there any ubuntu developers here? [12:13] <vot3> i thought it was umask 000 [12:13] <HappyFool> either should work [12:13] <thoreauputic> vot3: either [12:13] <HappyFool> n: try #ubuntu-devel , though they might be off for the weekend [12:13] <oceandead> what happened to glxinfo ? [12:14] <Sp4rKy> hi [12:14] <oceandead> "command not found" [12:14] <thoreauputic> oceandead: X on breezy is in a state of flux [12:14] <Sp4rKy> anyone knows a software as viavoice but over gnome ??? [12:14] <ORiON2012> constant flux [12:14] <oceandead> ah, ok. thanks thoreauputic [12:14] <weejamer> how do i burn mp3 to a cd (am a new linux user) [12:15] <topyli> HappyFool: yeah, there's only about 130 people on #ubuntu-devel :) [12:15] <PurpleMotion> ORiON2012: thats exactly how i capitalized the hostname for my irc server ;) [12:15] <abyss> please anyone help me the sounds works but after reboot ot wont work :/ [12:15] <oceandead> gnomebaker, k3b, etc etc [12:15] <ORiON2012> PurpleMotion: not sure I follow you [12:15] <PurpleMotion> nvm [12:15] <HappyFool> topyli: ok, my mistake [12:15] <thoreauputic> topyli: but no one has spoken for 45 minutes [12:15] <dmoyne> Hello ! ; Is Brezy installable ! [12:15] <vot3> can someoen explain to me how wine works? [12:16] <topyli> idlers and slackers [12:16] <abyss> Rhytmbox say cannot open ressource for write access [12:16] <ORiON2012> PurpleMotion: you weren't referring to the group were you? [12:16] <weejamer> how do i burn mp3 to a cd (am a new linux user) [12:17] <vot3> ORiON2012: after i edit her .bashrc file this way is there any service i would need to restart for the changes to take effect? [12:17] <PurpleMotion> no i was referring to my old irc server, though i have *coughaffiliationscough* with the group as well [12:17] <topyli> weejamer: do you want an audio cd or just burn the mp3 files on a data cd? [12:17] <vot3> ORiON2012: because i edited that file and it still does not work [12:17] <mrttm> hi all [12:17] <mrttm> I need your help now [12:17] <weejamer> audio cd toyli [12:17] <mrttm> I'm a newbie with ubuntu [12:17] <mrttm> I'm impressed by ubuntu [12:18] <weejamer> topyli sorry audio cd [12:18] <abyss> what i have to use for deinstall a module? [12:18] <abyss> what ive installed via insmod [12:18] <mrttm> I have probs with my Davicom NIC card [12:18] <ORiON2012> PurpleMotion: I swear it's just a coincidence,a lthough I wish it wasn't [12:18] <mrttm> i've read through the forum [12:18] <thoreauputic> mrttm: just ask - if someone can help they will [12:18] <topyli> weejamer: i use serpentine. gnomebaker should work too [12:18] <oceandead> well well [12:18] <mrttm> but I couldn;t found how to solve this probs [12:18] <bz0b> so is ubuntu really the most popular distro at the moment? [12:18] <bimberi> abyss: rmmod [12:18] <ORiON2012> vot3: I just sourced my bashrc and it worked [12:19] <topyli> abydos: rmmod [12:19] <bz0b> or is it just the most used? [12:19] <thoreauputic> bz0b: according to distrowatch, yes [12:19] <oceandead> imo, best distro around [12:19] <bz0b> thoreauputic, yes, i saw that [12:19] <thoreauputic> bz0b: not the most used [12:19] <weejamer> thanx topyli i will give it a try [12:19] <vot3> ORiON2012: sourced it? [12:19] <dmoyne> Please is "Breezy" installable ? [12:19] <vot3> ORiON2012: what does that mean?> [12:19] <mrttm> anyone can help me [12:19] <ORiON2012> source ~/.bashrc [12:19] <bz0b> yes, imo too, i actually am using kubuntu, but there really isnt much diffrence [12:19] <bz0b> it was wierd [12:19] <oceandead> dmoyne, it hasnt been released yet - tell ya anything? [12:19] <thoreauputic> dmoyne: installable, yes. Usable maybe [12:19] <abyss> damn y my soundserver cannot play sound now? [12:19] <mrttm> I can't access to anywhre, my LAN, Internet [12:20] <topyli> bz0b: well it's the most viewed distro page on distrowatch. we don't know what that means really [12:20] <bz0b> unbuntu was freezing on me at times [12:20] <bz0b> topyli, true [12:20] <Sp4rKy> anyone can help me please [12:20] <bz0b> topyli, what do you use? [12:20] <topyli> bz0b: distro? ubuntu [12:20] <bz0b> and what is the "best" distro in your opinion, and why? [12:21] <HappyFool> mrttm: what hardware do you have? What version of ubuntu have you installed? Please give us more details [12:21] <ORiON2012> bz0b: windows? :P [12:21] <weejamer> topyli i got to a stage where i am about to burn thanx for that [12:21] <thoreauputic> bz0b: oh, we really think buntu sucks - that's why we're here ;) [12:21] <oceandead> hahaha [12:21] <jonko> zijn er nederlanders hier [12:21] <jonko> ? [12:21] <dmoyne> ok thanks last time I tried it I experienced problems with Xorg and therefore I prefer to wait ! ; maybe one question when you install something new like this and it does not work how can you back up to you last good installation set-up with apt ? [12:21] <bz0b> thoreauputic, exactly ;-) [12:21] <HappyFool> !start a distro war [12:21] <ubotu> kubuntu rules over mandriva [12:21] <mrttm> HappyFool, I use Hoary U5.04 [12:21] <topyli> bz0b: i like ubuntu on the desktop. it's like a stable version of debian unstable that i used earlier :) [12:21] <srid> ubotu, test [12:21] <ubotu> Crashed. [12:21] <bz0b> topyli, and 1 cd! [12:22] <thoreauputic> !distrowar [12:22] <ubotu> ubuntu is better than yggdrasil !! [12:22] <ORiON2012> lol [12:22] <mrttm> my NIC is Davicom Semiconductor [12:22] <abyss> i had before i rebooted 2 sounddevices [12:22] <srid> somebody say my nick [12:22] <shortcircuit> required update to kernel 2.6.10-34.4 broke my sound [12:22] <abyss> now i have only a alsa [12:22] <weejamer> srid [12:22] <oceandead> my nick [12:22] <srid> ok [12:22] <weejamer> oceandead [12:22] <mikhail^> has anybody had any success in building dynamic library projects with Anjuta in Hoary? [12:22] <topyli> bz0b: yep. though i'd rather install from the net [12:23] <HappyFool> mrttm: that is a normal network card? (i.e., ethernet) [12:23] <topyli> bz0b: oh, and ubuntu always has the latest gnome! that's pretty important [12:23] <mrttm> yes [12:23] <ORiON2012> if you really can't find a distro you like then try LFS and leave all other distro chans and forums alone [12:23] <mrttm> I've look around the forum [12:23] <jonko> hallo [12:23] <mrttm> and found mayny people had the same probs [12:24] <HappyFool> jonko: #ubuntu-nl vir nederlands [12:24] <vot3> ORiON2012: i sourced bonnie's .bashrc file inculding the umask command and the files i copy over vie scp are still locked to me in nautilus, can you explain why? [12:24] <bz0b> topyli, how do I do that from the install cd? [12:24] <mrttm> but no one give the complete solution [12:24] <bz0b> topyli, since I really wanted to install from the net [12:24] <ORiON2012> vot3: no, I cannot [12:24] <bz0b> topyli, then it allows you to choose the packages you wnat right? and are up-to-date [12:24] <mikhail^> vot3: are you copying it as root into your user's directory? [12:25] <dmoyne> What is LFS ? [12:25] <ORiON2012> linux from scratch [12:25] <ORiON2012> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ [12:25] <HappyFool> mrttm: your card is not listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWiredNetworkCards [12:25] <rob^> linux for suckers [12:25] <vot3> mikhail^: i do not think so. these are files she left in a directory inside of her home directory for me. but my user does not automatically have write access to files and folders in her home dir, and that is what i want [12:25] <dmoyne> yes but when you have it installed how di you find packages you have to recompile everything ? [12:26] <mrttm> no no, I think it's supported [12:26] <topyli> bz0b: it's not supported [12:26] <mrttm> because ubuntu can recorgnize this [12:26] <topyli> bz0b: at least in hoary [12:26] <HappyFool> mrttm: ok, so what isn't working? I'm still not really sure what your problem is [12:27] <bz0b> topyli, huh? [12:27] <mrttm> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54886&highlight=davicom [12:27] <topyli> bz0b: net install [12:27] <mikhail^> vot3: you're going to have to add write and read permissions to 1) her home directory and then 2) the diectory you want to have access to. [12:27] <bz0b> topyli, oh [12:27] <mrttm> you can read this topic [12:27] <bz0b> topyli, is it possible to do a net install though? [12:27] <mrttm> this is my probs as the guy : Underxp [12:27] <mikhail^> vot3: or, your and her user should be in the same group at least. [12:27] <topyli> bz0b: i don't think so [12:27] <ORiON2012> bz0b: hoary is pretty dated, so is breezy (but not nearly as much), if you want cutting edge try gentoo or debian sid, or LFS [12:27] <vot3> mikhail^: ok, then what is the -R switch used for in chmod? [12:28] <vot3> mikhail^: can it just be a mde up group that they are both in? [12:28] <mikhail^> vot3: man chmod [12:28] <Dejavu> hey does anyone know where i can get Game Installers ? (linux installers) [12:28] <rob^> Dejavu, loki games [12:28] <mrttm> I do as the blind0wl said [12:28] <topyli> bz0b: hoary is hardly "dated" :) [12:28] <mrttm> but still not work [12:29] <ORiON2012> Dejavu: http://www.liflg.org/ [12:29] <mrttm> and I still don't now how to reload module dmfe in kernel [12:29] <topyli> bz0b: sorry, talking to ORiON2012 [12:29] <mrttm> because when I remove the tulip module [12:29] <thoreauputic> topyli: OMG MY APPS ARE 6 MONTHS OLD ! WTF ??? [12:29] <Dejavu> rob^: aaa ... i dont think its working .. it says no connection to Databasr [12:29] <mrttm> the eth0 config disappear [12:29] <rob^> Dejavu, well it was working the other day, try again later [12:29] <ORiON2012> topyli: compared to debian sarge, sure, compared to gentoo's package tree, it is [12:29] <vot3> mikhail^: so if i used chmod -R on her home directory i would not normall have to worry about teh dir in her home dir where the files i want to change are, would i? [12:29] <topyli> thoreauputic: heh. some things like evince are old though [12:30] <thoreauputic> ;) [12:30] <ORiON2012> topyli: but I'd never switch [12:30] <abyss> lo i found the problem anyone can show me what stands in your /etc/modprobe.conf? [12:30] <Dejavu> rob^: will do .. maybe they are updating or something :D [12:30] <rob^> maybe [12:30] <HappyFool> mrttm: how about the pci=noacpi line? [12:30] <Dejavu> aaa... anyother place i can find some installers ? :D [12:30] <topyli> ORiON2012: i care about gnome most, and ubuntu is the most up to date on that front. i think 2.10 has just now hit sid [12:31] <mikhail^> vot3: if you do that on her home directoy, the changes will be made recursively in all her files and directories in her home directory. [12:31] <mrttm> yes [12:31] <mrttm> i've tried but still not work :( [12:31] <HappyFool> hmm [12:31] <ORiON2012> Dejavu: http://www.liflg.org/ [12:31] <ORiON2012> for the second time [12:31] <vot3> mikhail^: ok, now would an scp file transfer or ssh login do anything to change those permissions? because that is what has been happening. i set the mode i want and then she logs in and transfers files and they ignore the mode i have set, they are locked to me. [12:31] <Michael> how to Define modprobe.conf ? [12:31] <mrttm> HappyFool, how can I reload the module of kernel [12:31] <HappyFool> mrttm: try 'modprobe' [12:32] <mrttm> I tried [12:32] <HappyFool> mrttm: i'm not sure exactly what you mean, though [12:32] <abyss> WARNING: /etc/modprobe.conf exists but does not include /etc/modprobe.d [12:32] <HappyFool> mrttm: what module do you want to load? [12:32] <abyss> how i can fix that? [12:32] <Dackel> hello [12:32] <Dackel> i have a question [12:32] <mrttm> dmfe [12:32] <mrttm> I removed tulip module [12:32] <HappyFool> ok [12:32] <mrttm> and want to reload dmfe module [12:32] <HappyFool> isn't it already loaded? [12:32] <mrttm> like wbeck did [12:33] <HappyFool> lsmod|grep dmfe will tell you [12:33] <mikhail^> vot3: well, it depends... if her user has a .bashrc that resets her permissions (or umask), then yes, that'll happen. [12:33] <Dackel> Grub is in the ass and now i don't know, how I can boot Ubuntu for repair Grub [12:33] <mrttm> yes [12:33] <mrttm> still have dmfe [12:33] <mrttm> and not tulip [12:33] <mrttm> but the eth0 still can't not appear [12:33] <HappyFool> hmm [12:33] <mrttm> util I do modprobe tulip again [12:33] <vot3> mikhail^: well i added the line: umask 000 to her .bashrc but it has not helped. is there some service i need to restart first? [12:33] <HappyFool> try 'modprobe -r dmfe' and then 'modprobe dmfe' [12:33] <Pega> Hmm. I am having problems with apt-get install. It goes well, finds everything, tells me that after extracting x amount of space will be used and asks me to continue (y/n). I press y and then it stops, like I would have pressed n. :| [12:34] <mrttm> ahha [12:34] <mrttm> yes, i'll try now [12:34] <Dejavu> is there a Multimedia player that can stream videos from te web that MediaPlayer on Win does ? [12:35] <mikhail^> vot3: is the copying the files over from somewhere into her home directory? or is she copying from that directory down to her remote location? [12:35] <mosh> woo hoo [12:35] <mosh> finaly [12:35] <HappyFool> Pega: hmm. have you run 'apt-get update' recently ? (just a guess) [12:35] <mosh> so is Ubuntu good for a novice linux user? [12:35] <thoreauputic> vot3: this all seems rather tortuous - if you have read access to her dir you can scp the files to your own home dir and the permissions will say they belong to you [12:35] <Pega> HappyFool, hmm. Not for a while. Installed updates from the button in the corner of the screen. [12:35] <Dackel> or should I do a re-install? [12:35] <thoreauputic> then you can write to them... [12:35] <mrttm> HappyFool [12:36] <mrttm> I've success [12:36] <mrttm> thanks [12:36] <mrttm> I'm so stupid [12:36] <ORiON2012> mikhail^: I think it's preserving perms and for some reason umask isn't being set, worked for me in my bash scenario, bot won't work for vo3. [12:36] <mrttm> I tried to find how to reload module [12:36] <Dackel> Thanks for your answers, you ass hole [12:36] <HappyFool> mrttm: not at all [12:36] <Hobbsee> mosh: yes, it's great for a newbie - i installed it about 2 days ago, and am loving it... [12:36] <mrttm> reload = stop -> start [12:36] <mrttm> I'm so stupid [12:36] <mrttm> thanks again [12:36] <Dackel> +s [12:36] <mikhail^> ORiON2012: how about restarting the ssh server? [12:36] <HappyFool> mrttm: you may want to 'blacklist' the tulip module somehow -- i'm not sure how that's done [12:36] <HappyFool> mrttm: glad i could help [12:37] <mosh> Awsome [12:37] <mosh> I just need to get this going and get Halflife2 running;) [12:37] <Evan> im having problems installing the PHP server [12:37] <ORiON2012> mikhail^: couldn't hurt, but I really have no idea why it works fine for me and not for vot3 [12:37] <HappyFool> Pega: hmm. ok, try running 'sudo apt-get update' at the command line, and try again [12:37] <mrttm> yes [12:37] <ORiON2012> mikhail^: all I did was add the umask and source my bashrc and it worked [12:37] <mosh> whats best... the DVD or the CD instal??? [12:37] <srijith> !lamp [12:37] <mrttm> but now I must do it all the time I start the machine ? [12:37] <ubotu> somebody said lamp was Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP [12:37] <mrttm> or I can't remove it permanent ? [12:37] <Hobbsee> mosh: the best bit's the community support - you'd never find all this for windows...google does find things, but not as much as it does for ubuntu [12:38] <mrttm> or I can remove it permanent ? [12:38] <Hobbsee> mosh: either, makes no difference [12:38] <HappyFool> ORiON2012, vot3: could be the windows scp client (complete guess) [12:38] <mikhail^> ORiON2012: maybe he has multiple umask statements in his .bashrc file [12:38] <ORiON2012> vot3: are you using WinSCP? [12:38] <mosh> ok yeah i figure its the best way to go since i have 939 Venice core.. [12:38] <ORiON2012> mikhail^ & HappyFool : both are certainly possible [12:39] <Pega> HappyFool, didn't help [12:39] <HappyFool> mrttm: maybe add 'tulip' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist -- i'm not sure that's right [12:39] <mosh> im going to guess linux HL2 sucks though because of wine... [12:39] <mrttm> yes [12:39] <mrttm> tks [12:39] <HappyFool> Pega: hmm. and no error message? [12:39] <ORiON2012> mosh: not really, I haven't noticed any difference between my windows andlinux boxes [12:39] <mrttm> i'll find myself [12:40] <mosh> I normaly get like 200 fps in windows... [12:40] <Hobbsee> mosh: why dont you try and see? dual boot it... [12:40] <mrttm> to improve my stupid mind [12:40] <bz0b> see yall soon [12:40] <mrttm> if I had a probs again [12:40] <mosh> lol version me. [12:40] <mrttm> I'll ask you [12:40] <mrttm> do you have YM nick ? [12:41] <Pega> HappyFool, nothing. Just "Do you want to continue (y/n)?" and whatever I press, it acts if I had pressed n. [12:41] <mosh> Im running the live version [12:41] <mosh> lol [12:42] <akanja> Hi everybody! [12:42] <vot3> ORiON2012: i am using winsco to test the downloads, but no, i am trying to just use nautilus to move the files into MY home dir after she has uploaded them into HER home dir from her remote location [12:42] <DarkRaika> hi [12:42] <Dejavu> is there a Multimedia player that can stream videos from te web that MediaPlayer on Win does ? [12:42] <mrttm> goodbye and tks again, HappyFool [12:42] <akanja> anybody ready to guide me a bit through 'hoary sound hell' :-) ? [12:43] <HappyFool> mrttm: cheers [12:43] <ORiON2012> Dejavu: vlc [12:43] <HappyFool> Pega: and if you just hit enter? [12:43] <vot3> the thing is i ghave to keep changing and keep changing these modes everytime a new file comes in [12:43] <Dejavu> ORiON2012, should i do "apt-get install vlc" ? and will it automatically start when i click on the stream button ? [12:44] <vot3> instead of the permissions on the file being what i want them to be [12:44] <ORiON2012> Dejavu: what is this magical steram button you speak of? [12:44] <Pega> HappyFool, you just made me a happy fool. :) [12:44] <Pega> It is alive! [12:44] <thoreauputic> vot3: then as I said. all you need is read access - if you scp the files as yourself the ownership will change to your user, which means you can then write to them - have I missed something? Works here... [12:44] <Pega> Or sumthing. works anyways. thx [12:45] <HappyFool> heh. still, a bit odd. you'd think y would work [12:45] <ORiON2012> vot3: sorry but I'm out of ideas, it works for me, doesn't for you, its either a client issue or something wrong with .bashrc (assuming that's the file you put it in) [12:45] <Dejavu> ORiON2012, i mean when i get accros a video that can be directly streamed (or viewed) so i dont have to download it [12:45] <vot3> ORiON2012: i think it should be working too, what you suggested. do i need to source the .bashrc file as root? [12:46] <ORiON2012> Dejavu: how wide of a network are you looking to stream to? over the internet? or just a lan? [12:46] <vot3> thoreauputic: i have no reason to scp the files as my user, it is useless. i have nautilus [12:46] <HappyFool> the .bashrc file should be consulted everytime your girlfriend runs scp [12:46] <ORiON2012> as whatever user you are transfering the files as, ~/ will apply to whatever user you are currently acting as [12:46] <thoreauputic> vot3: *cough* it's the same whether you do it in nautlus or CLI [12:46] <Dejavu> ORiON2012, ill send u a link .. maybe that can help me explain :) [12:46] <HappyFool> vot3: try testing it yourself, using scp to copy to localhost; maybe you can debug it that way [12:47] <vot3> well i am running winscp under wine to test the file transfers, that is what i have been doing [12:47] <vot3> every file i send over has the incorrect permissions when it lands in nautilus [12:47] <HappyFool> hmm [12:47] <HappyFool> ok, try just 'scp' from the command-line? same thing? [12:47] <akanja> I installed hoary on a machine with a soundblaster 128, (plus an i810 onboard sound) . The SB128 turned out to be faulty, so i ripped out of the box and re-enabled the onboard sound in BIOS. But can't get the sound working.... Read the wiki, searched google.... and got lost in all the contradicting and outdated information, hmmm [12:48] <zerboxx> Does anyone here use linksysmon?? [12:48] <ORiON2012> vot3: Is WinSCP proven to be fully functional under wine? This could be part of the problem [12:48] <ORiON2012> vot3: Why not use scp fromt he commad line to test? [12:48] <vot3> everything i have ever used under wine has been perfect [12:48] <vot3> ORiON2012: i am not familiar with scp [12:49] <vot3> i am more comfortable with a gui, as well [12:49] <topyli> vot3: you hardly need winscp to use scp on linux [12:49] <ORiON2012> vot3: man scp, its' really easier than you think [12:49] <HappyFool> scp src localhost:/home/vot3/dst [12:49] <vot3> thoreauputic: i was testing it out for her, because she uses windows and i wanted to make sure it would work [12:50] <thoreauputic> vot3: ahh - OK my bad :) [12:50] <topyli> vot3: gftp can use ssh too [12:50] <HappyFool> just use scp to test -- i.e., to check if the problem is winscp or your server setup [12:50] <ORiON2012> vot3: I assure you that winscp works flawlessly under windows, we can [12:50] <ORiON2012> can't make that assumption for linux [12:50] <Dejavu> ORiON2012, goto "www.bbcworld.com/clickonline" ... check the link on the middle left side .. it says winmeadia "low,med,high". the whole show can be viewed from the site .. [12:51] <Brainbug> Question: Is there guide for "visual programming" under ubuntu? I come from a visual studio background and i'm looking something similar. The languaje can be either C/C++ or C#. [12:51] <ORiON2012> Dejavu: it's probably windows media player 9, if you figure out an easy way to make it work, let me know [12:52] <catfox> morning all. i'm just starting to use glade, and i've got a problem. [12:52] <Dejavu> ORiON2012, lolz .. will do :) .. thanks for helpin tough ! [12:52] <catfox> i've added a toolbar, and i want the buttons to align to the right, like regular gnome apps. but i can only get them on the left of the window. does anyone know how to get them on the right? [12:53] <thoreauputic> vot3: re: GUI - you can drag and drop files over scp/sftp using nautilus - just type ssh://user@hostname [12:53] <ORiON2012> Dejavu: you can't use helix or relaplayer to play the stream? [12:53] <vot3> thoreauputic: i am not the one making the connection though, she is. all i need is for the files she uploads to have the correct permissions so i do not have to chmod everytime she uploads something [12:53] <milksteak> mplayer plugin for firefox should work [12:54] <iba> what do i do.. i put the install cd in and i get kernel panic - attempted to kill init! [12:54] <vot3> i am doing something wrong, the umask command will work when i figure out what it is [12:54] <Dejavu> ORiON2012, ive tried realplayer .. it does works .. but on somesites it dosent (winmed9 is req). i havent tried helix so far [12:54] <ORiON2012> Dejavu: I take that back, works fine in mplayer-plug-in [12:54] <vot3> i do not understand the point of 'sourcing' a file though [12:54] <vot3> that is where i went wrong [12:55] <ORiON2012> Dejavu: sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer [12:55] <HappyFool> vot3: you don't need to source the file, unless you want to test it [12:55] <Dejavu> ORiON2012, np .. i was just checkin the ubuntu unofficial guide . and in it there is an mplayer plugin ... ill try that and if successful , ill let u know :) [12:55] <urezin> halt [12:55] <HappyFool> vot3: it should get 'sourced' when the connection is made [12:55] <Dejavu> ORiON2012, yeah .. thats the one .. [12:55] <ORiON2012> Dejavu: ignore that, I'm on breezy, I keep forgetting [12:55] <ORiON2012> Dejavu: oh, nvm then [12:55] <hexion> hello [12:56] <topyli> vot3: the environment specified by bashrc only takes hold at new shells or after sourcing the file [12:56] <iba> anyoner? [12:56] <Dejavu> ORiON2012, lolz .. u need a soda break ;) [12:56] <vot3> topyli: the connection from winscp would be considered a new shell though right? [12:56] <hexion> when I try to install ati drivers, an error occurs. It is "nawk: error while loading shared libraries: libm.so.6: cannot open shared object file" Anyone can help me??? [12:56] <Brainbug> It's there a guide to helping making programs for the ubuntu project? [12:56] <HappyFool> vot3: fwiw, samba has a 'force create mode' option, which will let you specify a mode for files it creates [12:56] <ORiON2012> vot3: I only sourced the file because I was in a terminal, I (stupidly) assumed you were too [12:57] <volvoguy> is anyone else having problems with the new kernel that showed up in hoary recently? [12:57] <iba> .. [12:57] <vot3> ORiON2012: actually i am in a terminal. [12:57] <volvoguy> my system won't even boot now. :( [12:57] <topyli> vot3: i have no idea :) [12:57] <hexion> please somebody help me :( [12:57] <hexion> when I try to install ati drivers, an error occurs. It is "nawk: error while loading shared libraries: libm.so.6: cannot open shared object file" Anyone can help me??? [12:57] <ORiON2012> Dejavu: nah, I just need another lugradio eps to keep me calm [12:58] <HappyFool> hexion: are you following the instructions on the wiki? [12:58] <HappyFool> !ati [12:58] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI [12:58] <hexion> ok, Ill read it. Thanks [12:58] <ORiON2012> HappyFool: ubotu is your best friend :) [12:59] <hexion> I'm new in ubuntu, I come from suse and its all different :) [12:59] <HappyFool> nah, he's got too much attitude ;) [12:59] <ORiON2012> HappyFool: I noticed, Ubuntu, the hippy of linux has a rude bot... [12:59] <hexion> thanks a lot, I read it and come back to tell you if I solved it or if I need your help :) [01:00] <HappyFool> hexion: cool. it should work ;) [01:00] <hexion> one last thing.. [01:00] <hexion> I downloaded a -bin file (50 MB) from ati.com [01:01] <hexion> should I better do an app-get? [01:01] <ORiON2012> ok, this is depressing me, does anyone have advice for vot3? [01:01] <HappyFool> my word of advice is to use samba instead [01:01] <HappyFool> create an anonymous, wolrd-writeable share [01:02] <dockane> hi all [01:02] <ORiON2012> HappyFool: oh, vot3 left [01:02] <Dejavu> by everyone .. and thanks for the help :) [01:02] <HappyFool> or alternatively, create a restricted share and use the 'force create mode' option [01:02] <HappyFool> ah well [01:02] <thoreauputic> ORiON2012: is she upploading files to *his* home dir, or to an accoun of her own? If the second, he can read her files in her home dir on his box and cp them to his own home dir to change the ownership - I think he has it all backwards [01:03] <hexion> I think Ill follow the wiki instructions and make an app-get (I suppose the 50 MB of the .bin file will go to the trash) [01:03] <HappyFool> he wanted to move the files, not just copy them [01:03] <reiki> can someone check www.yardbird.net and see if it's up? And is there a general network outage in the US .... possibly great lakes area? [01:03] <ORiON2012> thoreauputic: he's downloading files to her home, which he loggged in as whie testing, but he couldn't read those files from HIS home [01:03] <dockane> i am looking for a way to make the updates indicated by the 2 red arrow circle in the upper right corner of gnome install automagically and silently. whats the best way ? [01:04] <zerboxx> If I want to run a program every 30 minutes, how would I do this (I've read to use cron, but I have no idea what I'm to do)????? [01:04] <hexion> Im loving ubuntu... theres no comparison with suse [01:04] <ORiON2012> thoreauputic: but with the correct umask it shuldn't matter... right [01:04] <thoreauputic> HappyFool: but *nix quite rightly doesn't allow users to move other people's files [01:04] <topyli> reiki: yardbird seems to be down [01:04] <HappyFool> thoreauputic: yeah, his higher-level requirements were a bit fuzzy. i'm also not sure why he chose scp over samba [01:05] <thoreauputic> *shrug* [01:05] <mikhail^> ORiON2012: you did say while she's logged in, right? [01:05] <hexion> I have to reboot. Thanks happyfool [01:05] <hexion> bye [01:05] <HappyFool> good luck [01:05] <ORiON2012> mikhail^: I thought he logged in AS her [01:05] <reiki> topyli: thanks.. very weird [01:06] <mikhail^> ORiON2012: If she doesn't log out and log in again, the .bashrc wouldn't take effect [01:06] <ORiON2012> mikhail^: logged in as her via winscp wine, then tried to copy the files via nautilus ( his real user) [01:06] <ORiON2012> I just thought the whole winscp was a bit weird [01:06] <thoreauputic> ORiON2012: I don't mean to be rude, but I think PEBCAK in his case [01:07] <ORiON2012> thoreauputic: I have no comment senator [01:07] <thoreauputic> ORiON2012: heh ;) [01:08] <funkyHat> how can i enable system sounds without locking up alsa (i have software mixing set up, but still gnome locks up the soundcard) [01:13] <andre80> hi [01:13] <andre80> i m andre from indonesia [01:13] <Hobbsee> hi andre [01:13] <andre80> hi hobbsee [01:14] <andre80> i m new to ubuntu, i just received my cd today [01:14] <andre80> I connected to internet via bluetooth modem [01:14] <thoreauputic> andre80: welcome :) [01:14] <andre80> will anybody tell what should I download so that I can connect to internet [01:14] <andre80> rite now I m stil using my windows box [01:15] <andre80> I happen to like ubuntu and planning to migrate as soon as possible [01:15] <abyss> exists anywhere a memory managing prog for ubuntu? [01:16] <thoreauputic> abyss: well, yes - it's called the linux kernel I believe... [01:16] <thoreauputic> abydos: what do you mean "memory managing" ? [01:17] <Frafra> hi all [01:17] <andre80> hi Frafra [01:17] <thoreauputic> abyss: sorry that was for you not abydos [01:17] <Frafra> I've read http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575 [01:18] <Frafra> then... i've try to install qemu (with apt-get): [01:18] <Frafra> [...] [01:18] <Frafra> Preconfiguring packages ... [01:18] <Frafra> dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `postdrop' in statusoverride file [01:18] <Frafra> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) [01:18] <Frafra> who can help me? [01:18] <andre80> about bluetooth modem ... [01:18] <satafterh> hello everyone [01:18] <abyss> thoreauputic, cause if i start the system and all was started it use 200mb of memory and 100mb free [01:19] <abyss> but if i start some progs and end it again the memory wont be free [01:19] <satafterh> where can I download the lastest stable kernel and what verson would that be?? [01:19] <thoreauputic> abyss: linux handles all that [01:20] <_mario> where can i get spamassassin from? [01:20] <thoreauputic> abyss: it uses as much memory as possible -RAM is orders of magnitude more efficient than disc [01:20] <_mario> do i have to add an additional apt-source? [01:20] <abyss> thoreauputic, it cannot be that my systems eat with no use 305MB memory [01:20] <funkyHat> andre80, it looks like noone knows, can you give us some more info about the modem? like a model number or manufacturer? [01:20] <thoreauputic> abyss: most of what you see is cache and buffers [01:20] <HappyFool> _mario: it's in universe [01:21] <_mario> HappyFool: that means? what to do for me? [01:21] <HappyFool> !repos [01:21] <ubotu> I heard repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [01:21] <HappyFool> mario: read those two links; they should help. let us know if they don't [01:21] <_mario> HappyFool: oki [01:21] <andre80> !repos [01:21] <ubotu> rumour has it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [01:21] <andre80> !bluetooth [01:21] <ubotu> andre80: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [01:22] <andre80> !driver [01:22] <ubotu> andre80: I don't know, could you explain it? [01:22] <HappyFool> andre80: try '/query ubotu' if you want to ask the bot lots of questions [01:22] <andre80> thx [01:23] <andre80> I just recognize that ubotu is a bot [01:23] <HappyFool> andre80: also looke on https://wiki.ubuntu.com, and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TitleIndex for more info [01:23] <thoreauputic> abyss: type " free -m " in a terminal and read the cache and buffers - subtract to get a better idea of your memory use [01:23] <HappyFool> you may find info about your hardware there [01:23] <satafterh> I have an amd atlon 2600+ running a 386 kernel, would I notice any differance with a k7 or 686 kernel [01:23] <vot3> can someone help me with repairing a package on my computer? i installed the set@home program from a debian package instead of using synaptic and now i have problems [01:24] <andre80> ubotu doesn't respond [01:24] <ubotu> andre80: I give up, what is it? [01:24] <HappyFool> andre80: type something in the query window (e.g., ubotu) [01:24] <funkyHat> this is so annoying. whenever i upgrade packages, or install new ones, synaptic says that they are 'NOT AUTHENTICATED'. things like the kernel, which really should be authenticated... [01:24] <mikhail^> anybody here has any experience with autotools? [01:24] <bimberi> andre80: in a /query window the ! at the start is no longer required [01:25] <andre80> ubotu said nothing [01:25] <andre80> I tiped a lot there [01:25] <ubotu> andre80: Bugger all, i dunno [01:25] <HappyFool> vot3: have you tried 'sudo dpkg --purge <packagename>' [01:25] <chicken-man> How do i delete my second Linux partition /dev/hda2 ? [01:25] <funkyHat> does everyone else's software authenticate properly? [01:25] <HappyFool> andre80: hmm [01:25] <thoreauputic> funkyHat: do an apt-get update [01:26] <HappyFool> andre80: works for me [01:26] <HappyFool> andre80: try '/msg ubotu ubotu' and see what happens [01:26] <azriel0184> ok, this is getting annoying... im trying to setup a smb printer and it wont print a test page. i am sure i have the host and printer name right, and there is no user/pass [01:26] <bimberi> andre80: that might be because your nick isn't registered [01:26] <andre80> i just registered my nick [01:26] <vot3> HappyFool: thank you [01:26] <andre80> and ubotu starts listening [01:26] <andre80> thx [01:27] <abyss> thoreauputic, Mem: 313 284 28 0 14 150 [01:27] <chicken-man> i need to delete my second ubuntu partition how do i do it ? [01:27] <bimberi> andre80: that was quick :) [01:27] <nophix> chicken-man: sudo cfdisk /dev/hda [01:27] <thoreauputic> abyss: I assure you the linux kernel is handling your memory just fine [01:27] <andre80> he has no clue [01:27] <HappyFool> andre80: look on the wiki; you will find more info there [01:28] <HappyFool> https://wiki.ubuntu.com [01:28] <vot3> does anyone here use setiathome? [01:28] <andre80> ubotu has no clue, oh my [01:28] <ubotu> andre80: Are you on ritalin? [01:28] <andre80> where can I get an answer to my question [01:28] <andre80> wiki oh wiki here I come [01:28] <ORiON2012> yup ubotu knows all about 42 [01:29] <chicken-man> i think i done it how do i check all my partitions ? [01:29] <andre80> and he ask me wether I m on ritalin [01:29] <andre80> !ritalin [01:29] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, andre80 [01:29] <andre80> !dweeb [01:29] <ubotu> andre80: What? [01:29] <andre80> !driver [01:29] <ubotu> andre80: What? [01:29] <thoreauputic> andre80: ubotu only knows what he has been told :) [01:29] <Habib> who are you man? [01:29] <andre80> can I teach him something ? :) [01:29] <andre80> can I can I ? [01:30] <chicken-man> how do i see what partitions i have ? [01:30] <HappyFool> chicken-man: sudo fdisk -l [01:30] <thoreauputic> chicken-man: fdisk -l [01:30] <ORiON2012> thoreauputic: ubotu knows the ultimate meaning of life, what more could it need? [01:30] <dawkirst> When will an official release for OpenOffice.Org2 happen? [01:30] <Habib> you ask mee?? [01:30] <andre80> how about cat partitions at /proc [01:30] <chicken-man> it's still showing /dev/hda2 :-( [01:30] <thoreauputic> !life [01:30] <ubotu> thoreauputic: Do they come in packets of five? [01:30] <ORiON2012> dawkirst: that would be a question for openoffice.org [01:31] <thoreauputic> !love [01:31] <ubotu> Love is just a collection of electrochemical reactions and synaptic discharges [01:31] <Hobbsee> dawkirst: no idea, but it seems to be pretty stable now [01:31] <thoreauputic> hahah [01:31] <Habib> hahahha [01:31] <dawkirst> Hobbsee: I see. [01:31] <andre80> !stable [01:31] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, andre80 [01:31] <andre80> !yes [01:31] <ubotu> Yes, yes! Yes indeed. Who would have thought it, eh, andre80? [01:31] <chicken-man> how do i delete /dev/hda2 ? [01:31] <andre80> use partition magic [01:31] <liable> fdisk [01:31] <liable> cfdisk [01:31] <vot3> can someone tell me how to fix this error? Connecting to alien.ssl.berkeley.edu[128.32.18.176] :21... connected. [01:31] <abyss> thoreauputic, exists a way to disable any effects on system cause i have only a ppc 400mhz [01:31] <vot3> Logging in as anonymous ... [01:32] <Habib> People of america! you will wake up to a another world to morrow!! [01:32] <vot3> Login incorrect. [01:32] <HappyFool> and the people not of america? the same world? [01:32] <azriel0184> ok, this is getting annoying... im trying to setup a smb printer and it wont print a test page. i am sure i have the host and printer name right, and there is no user/pass [01:32] <HappyFool> vot3: looks like it's not allowing anonymous logins [01:32] <ORiON2012> vot3: something tells me your login info is not correct [01:32] <Habib> yes [01:32] <thoreauputic> abyss: I don't understand your question - if you are still worrying about your RAM, you misunderstood what I was saying [01:33] <liable> hSTFU. [01:33] <vot3> HappyFool: how do i configure it to login as my user name, any idea? [01:33] <HappyFool> vot3: what are you trying to do? [01:33] <andre80> People of Ubuntu, you will wake up in friendship tomorrow [01:34] <ORiON2012> koombai-ah my lord... [01:34] <HappyFool> vot3: i think you can create a .netrc file for auto ftp username/password, but that is seriously '90's ;) [01:34] <abyss> thoreauputic, no i understand but cpu usage like 20 - 30 % [01:34] <Habib> what cain of device.?? [01:34] <ORiON2012> Habib: huh? [01:35] <_mario> HappyFool: i got it working, thx! [01:35] <abyss> thoreauputic, if i only move the mouse for a while [01:35] <Habib> what did say!?? [01:35] <vot3> HappyFool: i am trying to use the setiathome client [01:35] <HappyFool> _mario: great [01:35] <HappyFool> vot3: i'm afraid i'm not familiar with that software; maybe read their homepage, or look in /usr/share/doc/setiathome (or /usr/share/doc/<packagename>) for more [01:36] <vot3> HappyFool: thank you [01:36] <andre80> I have trouble opening wiki ubuntu [01:36] <thoreauputic> abyss: is your mchine very slow? Or just reasonably OK for a 400mhz machine? [01:36] <chicken-man> what is the normal Dos win98 partition called the are a lot of dos :-/ [01:36] <andre80> !fire [01:36] <ubotu> andre80: Did you get hit by a windmill? [01:36] <HappyFool> FAT [01:37] <andre80> fat32 [01:37] <HappyFool> chicken-man: don't erase extended partitions willy-nilly [01:37] <HappyFool> andre80: what's the problem with the wiki? [01:37] <tomaj> how do you stop kernel updates from changing a specific entry? do you have to put it on the end? [01:37] <abyss> i think for 400mhz risc a little bit slow [01:37] <tomaj> sorry this is in reference to grub [01:37] <andre80> no more problems, just now I cannot open [01:38] <andre80> I m new to ubuntu [01:38] <HappyFool> tomaj: I think put the entries after '## END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST' [01:38] <tomaj> no other way? [01:38] <thoreauputic> abyss: if you want to reduce the load, you can use a different desktop - for example install xfce4 [01:38] <srijith> or fluxbox :) [01:38] <chicken-man> what one ? theres a W95 FAT32 and a W95 FAT32 (LBA) ? [01:38] <thoreauputic> srijith: +1 ;) [01:39] <andre80> o ya ubuntu works fine on my fujitsu box [01:39] <srijith> for a new machine for with LBA chicken-man [01:39] <HappyFool> chicken-man: maybe paste the output of 'sudo fdisk -l' on a pastebin so we know what you're talking about [01:39] <srijith> new as in not an old machine [01:39] <andre80> fujitsu laptop i mean [01:39] <chicken-man> what is LBA ? [01:39] <katzor> does anyone know if we have chances to see anjuta-2* in breezy? [01:40] <ORiON2012> katzor: not sure, but woud be nice [01:40] <srijith> logical block addressing [01:40] <ORiON2012> katzor: anjuta 2.* is still very much in testing [01:40] <chicken-man> i am going to delete my /dev/hda2 partition which is my old ubuntu one and replace it with a dos one so i can reinstall windows 98 SE [01:40] <ORiON2012> katzor: so most likely not [01:40] <katzor> ORiON2012, too bad [01:40] <srijith> chicken-man, http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/bios/modesLBA-c.html [01:40] <katzor> ORiON2012, thenks fr the info [01:40] <andre80> buhuhu ubuntu not yet support bluetooth modem buhuhu [01:41] <chicken-man> i'll just try the W95 FAT32 [01:41] <andre80> ubuntu anak yg manis, anak manis janganlah merokok sayang kl merokok... lho kok merokok ... [01:41] <katzor> ORiON2012, i would complie it myself, but i dot get gsl compiled, which is a dep [01:41] <chicken-man> woohoo done [01:42] <chicken-man> wish me luck, i got to reinstall grub after grrrr [01:42] <ORiON2012> katzor: it's in breezy, gsl that is [01:45] <abyss> thoreauputic, how about java runtime for ubuntu? [01:46] <BollocksMacenzie> Could someone tell me what is wrong with this command. It keeps coming up with a syntac error... zenity --text-info --text-info-filename=acpi.txt [01:46] <thoreauputic> !java [01:46] <ubotu> I heard java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [01:46] <thoreauputic> abyss: ^^^^ [01:46] <abyss> thx [01:46] <azriel0184> ok, this is getting annoying... im trying to setup a smb printer and it wont print a test page. i am sure i have the host and printer name right, and there is no user/pass [01:46] <BollocksMacenzie> I've tried every combination of quotemarks and = and it still doesn't work. [01:46] <blrich> has anyone had experiences here with a geforce fx 5500 randomly crashing their machine with 'nvidia-glx' installed and xorg using driver nvidia? [01:46] <ORiON2012> go-go gadget wiki [01:46] <blrich> because i have =P [01:46] <andre80> !j2ee [01:46] <ubotu> andre80: Do they come in packets of five? [01:46] <ORiON2012> !j2se [01:46] <ubotu> ORiON2012: Do they come in packets of five? [01:46] <andre80> !yes [01:47] <ubotu> Yes, yes! Yes indeed. Who would have thought it, eh, andre80? [01:47] <ORiON2012> useless [01:47] <andre80> !useless [01:47] <ubotu> Not a clue, andre80 [01:47] <blrich> can anyone help? having problems with a geforce fx5500, can't find anything on the forums [01:47] <Hoxzer> OriOn: are you usefull anymore? [01:47] <andre80> !brain [01:47] <ubotu> andre80: I give up, what is it? [01:47] <HappyFool> BollocksMacenzie: hmm. maybe the file needs to have a specific syntax? [01:47] <ORiON2012> Hoxzer: never have been [01:48] <Hoxzer> :< sad [01:48] <HappyFool> BollocksMacenzie: allow --help-text-info doesn't imply that, so i guess not [01:48] <andre80> may I help you by teaching ubotu a thing or two [01:48] <andre80> ubotu too stupid to ask to [01:48] <ubotu> andre80: No idea [01:48] <thoreauputic> andre80: if you want play with the bot, do it in /msg please [01:48] <andre80> ubotu shut up [01:48] <ubotu> andre80: I give up, what is it? [01:48] <ORiON2012> HappyFool: is problem fixer extraordinaire [01:48] <thoreauputic> !botabuse [01:48] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned. [01:48] <BollocksMacenzie> HappyFool: I know it's driving me nuts! [01:50] <HappyFool> BollocksMacenzie: hmm. try zenity --text-info --filename=acpi.txt [01:51] <HappyFool> BollocksMacenzie: that --help-text-info is apparently out of date -- check the GNOME help (System -> Help) instead [01:51] <BollocksMacenzie> It works, and yep, I think the information is rather out of date! [01:52] <Aklys> can someone help me out with figuring out what my sound card is that doesn't work with ubuntu [01:52] <Aklys> but it was detected and worked with fedora so trying to figure out the difference [01:53] <HappyFool> !sound [01:53] <ubotu> from memory, sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/ [01:53] <HappyFool> those links might help you get started [01:53] <Aklys> thanks [01:54] <andre80> Aklys: what is your sound card ? [01:54] <somedude_> Hey! [01:54] <ORiON2012> Oh wise HappyFool (kind of a misnomer), where can we learn your awesome bot powers? [01:54] <funkyHat> thoreauputic, you know you said do an apt-get update? well i'll let you know once it's done... :/ [01:55] <thoreauputic> funkyHat: ? it won't run or what? [01:55] <HappyFool> ORiON2012: :P. /query ubotu and type 'help'. also 'ubotu' -- gives you an URL where you can search the factoids [01:55] <funkyHat> no, it's just taking forever because some of the repos are timing out [01:55] <somedude_> when installing i only got to configure a non root useraccount, and i got package failures.. tried to fix them but couldnt as non root.. ??? [01:55] <ORiON2012> HappyFool: sweet [01:56] <HappyFool> somedude_: use 'sudo' to get root access; read the link below [01:56] <HappyFool> !sudo [01:56] <ubotu> sudo is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [01:56] <Fub> has anyone had problems with the kernel update from today? [01:56] <thoreauputic> funkyHat: :( [01:56] <somedude_> ok, *reading* [01:56] <HappyFool> Fub: a few people have, it seems. i haven't rebooted since installing it [01:56] <Fub> it's giving me a kernel panic [01:56] <thoreauputic> Fub: judging by the questions here, a number have, yes [01:57] <jfk303> hey, all my desktop icons have gone, and right click doesn't work on the desktop anymore, whats the command to restart the desktop? pkill gnome or something?? [01:57] <thoreauputic> HappyFool: heh -I haven't installed a new kernel for 58 days (had trouble with the update then too) [01:57] <ORiON2012> and after all these kernel issue, it's going to be runnning for a while [01:57] <funkyHat> i do have hoary-extras and nooms. they seem to be causing some problems, but they shouldn't affect authentication of core packages should they? [01:58] <Fub> is there a simple way to make a rollback? [01:58] <guzu> hello all [01:58] <somedude_> HappyFool, aha.. ok thanks! One more liittle Q - whats the password? Do i set it the first time i sudo or?? [01:58] <thoreauputic> 21:58:16 up 58 days, 6:16, 2 users, load average: 0.06, 0.01, 0.00 [01:58] <HappyFool> somedude_: it's your user password (whatever you login with) [01:59] <guzu> anybody knows a way to make isa sound card work with ubuntu (5.04) ? [01:59] <somedude_> aah, ok.. weird! but ill try.. my first with ubuntu! :) used slack a few years back.. ! Thanks again :) [01:59] <ORiON2012> thoreauputic: if only I had the cash for the electricity bill to keep everything running all the time... [01:59] <guzu> gravis ultrasound ace [02:00] <jfk303> just got disconnected, its not pkill gnome :), did anyone answer my question: how to (not restart now) but fix my desktop? [02:00] <somedude_> *poff* [02:00] <Fub> do anyone if I can go back to my previous kernel? [02:00] <thoreauputic> ORiON2012: hey it's winter here - I cut down my heating bill by runnng my boxen 24/7 ;-) [02:01] <ORiON2012> Fub: you can select previous kernels at the bootloader (grub) menu on boot [02:01] <Aklys> what does "pass isapnp=0 to modprobe" mean? [02:02] <Fub> ORiON2012, hmm... bummer, there aren't any that works [02:03] <HappyFool> Aklys: i *think* it means add "isapnp=0" to the end of the modprobe command [02:03] <Fub> I guess it didn't keep the one from before today's update [02:03] <guzu> Aklys, maybe means "don't probe for isa pnp" [02:03] <HappyFool> Aklys: so, 'sudo modprobe modulename isapnp=0' -- that is a guess, though [02:03] <ORiON2012> Aklys: I know it's used in ALSA quite a bit [02:04] <ORiON2012> Aklys: In fact it's in the ALSA-configuration.txt [02:04] <Aklys> it's mean to be done for when you have a isa card [02:04] <Aklys> oh ok not sure what the modulename is then [02:04] <jaqkar> aloa [02:06] <guzu> Aklys, are there any docs for setting up an isa sound card in ubuntu? [02:06] <HappyFool> Fub: yeah, looks the kernel upgrade overwrites /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 [02:06] <guzu> or alsa [02:06] <Sauron21> hi ...I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to run .jar files on ubuntu....I have all of javas programms(java development kit and runtime file).....I just dont what the command is to run the fil [02:06] <guzu> Sauron21, try java -jar *jar [02:06] <HappyFool> Fub: i have one idea, which might not work. Do you have an ubuntu live cd ? [02:07] <Sauron21> that does not work..... [02:07] <Fub> well, I'm trying to download an install cd [02:07] <HappyFool> !java [02:07] <ubotu> java is probably to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [02:07] <Aklys> guzu looking at the one that HF triggered for me [02:07] <Sauron21> it just say that "java" is not a command [02:07] <Fub> but my internet is slow right now for some reason [02:07] <guzu> Sauron21, then you have not java in your path, find out where it is [02:08] <HappyFool> Fub: well, anyway, my idea is to boot from the livecd, chroot into your ubuntu install, and use dpkg to install an older kernel [02:08] <Sauron21> how do I do that? [02:08] <HappyFool> to install java, please see the url ubotu posted earlier [02:08] <guzu> Aklys, since i've logged in, i see no link [02:08] <Fub> HappyFool, can't I boot into linux from an install cd [02:08] <guzu> HappyFool, do you know of any doc available for setting an isa sound card in ubuntu>? [02:09] <Fub> ? [02:09] <Sauron21> I think my java is in /usr/java/ [02:09] <Sauron21> isent that where it should be? [02:09] <Fub> nm [02:09] <guzu> Fub, try linu root=/dev/yourrootpartition [02:09] <ORiON2012> Sauron21: that all depends [02:09] <Fub> I'll download the live cd [02:09] <HappyFool> Fub: the live cd might be easier; the install CD is less flexible [02:09] <guzu> Fub, of course you can start also the linux on live cd :) [02:09] <HappyFool> guzu: um, not sure [02:09] <morbidi> Fub: if you know command line [02:09] <morbidi> sure [02:10] <manu__> hey ciao [02:10] <thoreauputic> Sauron21: /usr/java/ is not in your pathe by default [02:10] <thoreauputic> *path [02:10] <manu__> i m looking to upgrade from debian to ubuntu [02:10] <manu__> maybe you can help me [02:10] <manu__> i m scared to loose my files [02:10] <ORiON2012> Sauron21: mine happens to be in /usr/lib, it all depends on where it was installed, if it was installed at all. [02:10] <topyli> manu__: don't upgrade, it can be messy. make a new installation [02:11] <guzu> wich .deb provides isapnp? [02:11] <manu__> and i just paste my main folder from debian ... wright? [02:11] <manu__> so i can keep my files [02:11] <HappyFool> isapnptools -- i think -- it's in universe [02:11] <guzu> manu__, you probbably wanna save your /home partition [02:12] <thoreauputic> guzu: do apt-cache search isapnp [02:12] <manu__> yes [02:12] <topyli> manu__: is your /home on a partition of its own? [02:12] <guzu> thoreauputic, k thnx [02:12] <manu__> yes [02:12] <manu__> think so [02:12] <theine> Is somebody packaging Quake III already? [02:12] <topyli> manu__: then it's easy. install ubuntu, but don't format the /home partition [02:13] <manu__> ok [02:13] <topyli> manu__: but don't "think". you have to be sure :) [02:13] <manu__> never [02:13] <manu__> hihihiihih [02:13] <guzu> lol [02:13] <topyli> hah [02:13] <ORiON2012> theine: why? It's so much fun to build from source. [02:13] <guzu> manu__, to be safe, save the content of /home somewhere, like another hard drive or an dvd [02:13] <manu__> yes [02:13] <manu__> i have externel drive [02:14] <manu__> this should work [02:14] <manu__> so i just boot from the cd [02:15] <manu__> and install new ubuntu [02:15] <manu__> so thanks a much guzu [02:15] <manu__> :) [02:15] <guzu> manu__, nothing to thank for [02:16] <manu__> maybe see one s again [02:16] <jaqkar> thoreauputic: howdie mate :) [02:16] <thoreauputic> hi jaqkar :) [02:17] <topyli> q3a packages would be nice [02:20] <guzu> csound [02:20] <guzu> wrong kbd sorry [02:20] <giggsey> Grub help - If I add my windows installation as a grub option, and have it first on the list, do I have to have 'boot' on the last line of the entry [02:21] <guzu> giggsey, default=0 [02:21] <giggsey> o_O [02:21] <guzu> to make it default [02:21] <giggsey> ok [02:21] <ompaul> giggsey, the setting default= points at which stanza after the the section commences that it points at [02:21] <giggsey> so if its last [02:22] <giggsey> it will be 3 [02:22] <Belutz> topyli: what happened at sept 7? [02:22] <ompaul> giggsey, if it is the third stanza [02:22] <guzu> giggsey, yes if you have 4 entries [02:22] <giggsey> ok [02:22] <vot3> hello #ubuntu [02:22] <vot3> even though i just switched to kde [02:22] <ompaul> hello vot3 [02:22] <guzu> giggsey, note that default=... should appear before any menu entry [02:22] <vot3> how are you all? [02:22] <topyli> Belutz: gnome 2.12 should be released, and breezy preview should come out :) [02:23] <giggsey> that will mean no 'boot' at the end of Windows option [02:23] <guzu> giggsey, yes [02:23] <guzu> see info grub for examples [02:23] <Belutz> topyli: ic... sept 7 is also my birthday hehehehe lol [02:23] <ompaul> vot3, given that there are 477 in the channel maybe not the best of questions :)|-< [02:23] <topyli> Belutz: nice birthday presents coming up =) [02:24] <Belutz> topyli: yup :D [02:25] <jaqkar> quite calm in here today :P [02:25] <topyli> Belutz: being impatient, i broke a box at work with breezy one day. it looks pretty darn good once it stabilizes [02:26] <Belutz> topyli: what are the main features of breezy compared to hoary? [02:26] <thoreauputic> ompaul: for each in nicks ; do echo " $each is fine, thanks " ; done [02:26] <thoreauputic> ;-) [02:27] <topyli> Belutz: i only looked at gnome really. you can see the new features in davyd's "sneak peek" page [02:27] <ompaul> thoreauputic, hehe [02:27] <dv__> hi [02:27] <dv__> I have a slight problem with the mouse. [02:27] <Belutz> topyli: yup, i really like gnome compared to KDE, but i think KDE is more developed, CMIIW [02:27] <dv__> i have a laptop with a touchpad [02:28] <dv__> the pad works fine, except that I had to configure the tap time manually in the xorg.conf (its a synaptic touchpad) [02:28] <dv__> I can also connect an USB mouse, however the USB mouse moves too slowly [02:28] <dv__> and the mouse settings do not change that [02:28] <Belutz> dv__: my synaptic touchpad runs well out of the box [02:29] <dv__> now I forgot how the sensitivity setting in xorg.conf is naemd [02:29] <dv__> named [02:29] <dv__> Belutz, mine too, but I wanted that tap-to-click feature disabled [02:29] <topyli> Belutz: they're different for sure. some people even seem to prefer kde :) [02:29] <dv__> so anyone knows the xorg.conf option for mouse sensitivity? [02:30] <Belutz> dv__: i once found a package that can control the synaptic touchpad, but i forgot the url :( [02:30] <topyli> Belutz: found the page: http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/ [02:30] <Belutz> topyli: thx :) [02:32] <Belutz> Along with over 200 bugs fixed, Nautilus now sports a spatial tree file view, popularised in the original Apple Macintosh operating systems. <--- WOW [02:32] <kikito> hello guy! [02:32] <kikito> guys [02:33] <snippy> hello people [02:33] <kikito> whats going on [02:33] <brenner> Belutz: yep, wow...200 bugs [02:33] <thoreauputic> Belutz: heh - another stick for Mac zealots to beat us with ;) [02:33] <kikito> anybody here good with wireless connections? [02:33] <snippy> I've got a problem with captive.. <.< [02:34] <ompaul> thoreauputic, no ours are fixed :-) [02:34] <jaqkar> zealots - arent those from starcraft? [02:34] <kikito> I have quite a problem with my wireless adapter [02:34] <snippy> Preparing LUFS kernel module... Run /usr/share/lufs/prepmod if problems occur. [02:34] <snippy> lufs module not loaded: Try running /usr/share/lufs/prepmod to see more. at /usr/bin/captive-lufsd line 180 [02:34] <Belutz> yuppp [02:34] <Belutz> Amaranth's SMEG is also included out of the box :D [02:35] <hardw1re> anyone here tried compiling the latest aMSN cvs? [02:35] <kikito> does anybody has a wireless connection? [02:35] <kemik> kikito: tried ndiswrapper? [02:35] <thoreauputic> snippy: so of course you tried running /usr/share/lufs/prepmod as the message said.. and .. ? [02:35] <kikito> yea [02:36] <kikito> well I got the connection working up to the point of encription [02:36] <kikito> as soon as I try to put encryption on the wireless connection everything goes bersek [02:37] <snippy> thoreauputic http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1420 [02:37] <kikito> so right now my setting is with essid "default" and broadcast [02:38] <thoreauputic> snippy: sudo apt-get install build-essential [02:38] <thoreauputic> snippy: have you installed linux-headers-$(uname -r) ? [02:38] <snippy> thoreauputic I did apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) [02:39] <thoreauputic> snippy: OK well it's complaining you don't have a compiler, so install build-essential [02:39] <snippy> thoreauputic I did, hold on [02:39] <thoreauputic> snippy: I think not [02:40] <thoreauputic> snippy: --> /bin/sh: gcc: command not found [02:40] <kikito> kemik: do you have usb wireless connection? [02:40] <thoreauputic> so, you didn't install build-essential [02:40] <Gabriel> hello, after kernel update on my hoary PPC, I get kernel panic on reboot and I can't boot the old kernel either as it says there is no such file or directory... what should I do? [02:40] <thoreauputic> snippy: ^^ [02:40] <kemik> kikito: nope [02:41] <kikito> oh [02:41] <snippy> thoreauputic http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1421 [02:41] <kikito> kemik: do you know where I can get help for it? [02:42] <kemik> kikito: google/wiki/forums [02:42] <phw> Hi folks. is there anyone who got a ati x700 (mobile) running with ubuntu? [02:42] <kemik> kikito: i usually find alot of good stuff on google [02:42] <Fanskapet> hmm usb [02:42] <Fanskapet> atleast my inbuilt wlan card works correctly [02:42] <kikito> kemik: yea I have been googling a lot since I got ubuntu [02:43] <kikito> I got a d-link usb adapter [02:43] <thoreauputic> snippy: "/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/build" do not appear to be valid" <--- you have a mismatch I think [02:43] <kikito> My proble is that I cant put encryption on it [02:43] <snippy> thoreauputic [02:44] <snippy> thoreauputic how can I fix? :( [02:44] <kikito> at least I can connect to the web. lets just say that Im happy to be here [02:44] <brenner> Gabriel: search the forum for topics while you wait [02:44] <thoreauputic> snippy: it may be looking for "kernel heaaders" - I'm not sure. Are you sure you installed the right headers ? [02:45] <thoreauputic> snippy: Ubuntu calls them "linux headers" - maybe the script is confused? [02:45] <snippy> thoreauputic yes, I'm sure, I read on a forum about making a link to usr/src/linux but I dont know how [02:45] <kikito> does anybody has experience with wireless connections? [02:46] <kikito> any help would be appreciated [02:46] <thoreauputic> snippy: hmm - well I've never messed with captive so I don't know - maybe search the ubuntu forums to see if anyone has done it and has an answer? [02:47] <snippy> thoreauputic, do you know how to make a link to /usr/src/linux ? [02:47] <snippy> I'm confused [02:47] <phw> kikito: fetch ndis-wrapper drivers [02:47] <sJaM> ln -s source dest [02:47] <HappyFool> kikito: see this? [02:47] <phw> then fetch the inf file on your windws partition and initialize it [02:47] <sJaM> snippy [02:47] <HappyFool> !wep [02:47] <ubotu> wep is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-07.0031507315 [02:48] <HappyFool> snippy: do you have a /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/build ? and where does it link to? [02:48] <kikito> yes I did that and I managed to get connection [02:48] <thoreauputic> snippy: you would do something like sudo ln -s /what/you/have /where/you/want/link [02:48] <thoreauputic> snippy: if that makes sense [02:48] <snippy> snippy@isisIII:~$ /usr/share/lufs/prepmod [02:48] <snippy> + /sbin/modprobe lufs 2>/dev/null [02:48] <snippy> Preparing LUFS kernel module... Run /usr/share/lufs/prepmod if problems occur. [02:48] <snippy> Running kernel version: 2.6.10-5-k7 (base version 2.6.10) [02:48] <snippy> Destination module directory: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/kernel/fs/lufs [02:48] <snippy> Using kernel sources: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/build [02:49] <snippy> rewrite "/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/build/include/linux/modversions.h": Permission denied at /usr/share/lufs/prepmod line 87 [02:49] <kikito> but I had to set my router to essid "default" and no encryption [02:49] <snippy> main::_writefile('/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/build/include/linux/modversions.h', '#include <linux/version.h>\x{9}/* lufs */\x{a}#include <linux/version...') called at /usr/share/lufs/prepmod line 246 [02:49] <HappyFool> nooooo [02:49] <snippy> main::build_make('/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/build', '2.6.10-5-k7', '/var/lib/lufs/lufs.ko') called at /usr/share/lufs/prepmod line 289 [02:49] <snippy> main::build('/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/build', '2.6.10-5-k7', '/var/lib/lufs/lufs.ko') called at /usr/share/lufs/prepmod line 156 [02:49] <deFrysk> foood :s [02:49] <thoreauputic> !lart snippy [02:49] <roham_> how do I install a autopackage? the file is like xxxxxxxxx.package ? [02:49] <deFrysk> +l [02:49] <thoreauputic> !paste [02:49] <ubotu> paste is probably please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text [02:49] <snippy> <_< [02:49] <thoreauputic> snippy: NEVER do that again please [02:49] <deFrysk> roham_, better to use a .dob from a ubuntu-repo [02:49] <kikito> for some reason encryption does not work [02:49] <deFrysk> .deb [02:49] <snippy> yea ok, sorry [02:50] <kikito> ndiswrapper finds the device [02:50] <roham_> deFrysk ... its only a autopackage [02:50] <topyli> roham_: are you sure there's no .deb package? what are you trying to install? [02:50] <deFrysk> roham_, then try tio find help at #autopackage or something [02:51] <hardw1re> Checking for required C library versions ... failed [02:51] <roham_> topyli: yes, webcam support for gaim [02:51] <snippy> thoreauputic did you read the error message? [02:51] <HappyFool> kikito: have you read the wep link ubotu pasted earlier? [02:51] <hardw1re> You need at least the following symbols in glibc: GLIBC_2.0. [02:52] <hardw1re> ^^ anyone understand or know how to fix this? [02:52] <HappyFool> hardw1re: what are you trying to compile? [02:52] <hardw1re> Gaim-w [02:52] <snippy> HappyFool, how can I check this? directory exists but I dont see where it links to [02:52] <thoreauputic> snippy: run it with sudo prepended [02:52] <HappyFool> snippy: ls /lib/modules/..../build [02:52] <piotr_> hi [02:53] <HappyFool> hardw1re: have you installed the build-essential package? [02:53] <piotr_> Hi people this is my 1rst time in irc ;-) [02:53] <hardw1re> i beleive i did [02:53] <snippy> can I paste those 2 lines here? [02:53] <HappyFool> welcome piotr_ [02:54] <DarkRaika> I have a friend thats after a wireless driver [02:54] <DarkRaika> a [02:54] <HappyFool> snippy: sure [02:54] <DarkRaika> linksys wmp54g [02:54] <snippy> arch drivers include ipc lib mm net security usr [02:54] <snippy> crypto fs init kernel Makefile Module.symvers scripts sound [02:54] <DarkRaika> its not working for Ubuntu [02:54] <hardw1re> The following packages have been kept back: [02:54] <hardw1re> arts libarts1 libarts1-dev libartsc0 libartsc0-dev [02:54] <HappyFool> snippy: ok, so the link is there, and is probably ok; have you tried the sudo that thoreauputic suggested? [02:54] <CyberMad> do you know any better Yahoo! Messenger client than kopete, because in Kopete i don't which person that "on SMS" or not -_- [02:55] <piotr_> I have ubuntu to its a great Os In poland wher I live linux is very popular Os ;) [02:55] <snippy> HappyFool, sudo what? sudo the command for captive ? [02:55] <hardw1re> another european :) [02:55] <HappyFool> snippy: yip [02:55] <thoreauputic> snippy: rerun the script, yes, with sudo [02:55] <snippy> HappyFool, yes, without it wouldnt work [02:56] <hardw1re> HappyFool: i did the build-essential yesterday, but i just did an apt-get upgrade on it, and got told those packages i pasted above ^^ were held back... [02:56] <thoreauputic> snippy: your pastebin pastes don't show a sudo [02:56] <hardw1re> i have to pop out, i should be back in a bout 10 minutes [02:57] <HappyFool> hardw1re: hmm, not sure. that glibc_2.0 error is a bit weird [02:57] <hardw1re> could it be my kernel? [02:57] <hardw1re> (Kernel):[Linux 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic x86_64] [02:57] <HappyFool> i doubt it [02:57] <thoreauputic> snippy: ah, sorry, you were root for those [02:57] <snippy> HappyFool, thoreauputic http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1423 [02:58] <Gabriel> brenner, i didn't find anything so i just created the post, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=58473 [02:58] <topyli> CyberMad: that question should be taken outside and shot. ;-) what do you mean? [02:59] <thoreauputic> snippy: hmm - for some reason it doesn't like your kernel headers [03:00] <snippy> :( [03:00] <thoreauputic> snippy: ah --> /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.10-5-k7 <-- [03:00] <thoreauputic> snippy: does that exist? [03:00] <LinuxJones> Sorry for the off-topic but does anybody know of an Adobe IRC channel ? [03:00] <snippy> thoreauputic no [03:01] <brenner> LinuxJones: #adobe maybe? [03:01] <HappyFool> thoreauputic: i thought the build symlink in /lib/*/modules was the 'correct' set of kernel headers to use? [03:01] <LinuxJones> brenner, nope but thanks :) [03:02] <dv> hmm [03:02] <LinuxJones> brenner, google doesn't even list one :( [03:02] <dv> manually setting the "Resolution" option doesnt work [03:02] <thoreauputic> HappyFool: it seems to be looking for /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.10-5-k7 ? [03:02] <dv> now the mouse has a decent speed in gdm [03:02] <snippy> thoreauputic, putting a link may help ? [03:02] <brenner> LinuxDolt: doubt people would bother debugging adobe reader problems :) [03:02] <dv> but when I start gnome, it becomes slow again [03:02] <brenner> in an IRC channel that is :) [03:02] <HappyFool> yeah, but see the order of search ( modules/*/build comes first) [03:02] <dv> and the mouse settings only work for the touchpad, not for the mouse [03:03] <dv> any ideas? [03:03] <snippy> maybe lufs is not working right? [03:03] <thoreauputic> HappyFool: hrm - OK I'm out of my depth at this point [03:03] <snippy> I heard its dead [03:03] <Angrod> i got this problem with KDE, if i use my pc for more then say 8 hourse. it start working like hell, and everything starts going all slow. but when i use Gnome, it works fine. any know whats wrong? or how i can fix it? i like the look in KDE much more then Gnome, so i would like to use KDE :x [03:03] <chicken-man> when i try to do './grub-install /dev/hda' i get this error 'could not find device for /boot: not found or not a block device.' please help [03:03] <brenner> dv: sys > prefs > mouse ? [03:03] <HappyFool> also "kill_proc_info" is undefined -- seems a bit weird [03:04] <dv> I already said that this doesnt work [03:04] <dv> sys > prefs > mouse only affects the touchpad [03:04] <dv> the mouse is slow as hell [03:04] <blk> can someone help me with the problem described on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53120 - i got the same thing here! [03:04] <brenner> Angrod: run a system monitor when it seems to be "working" heavily and see what's using your CPU [03:04] <LinuxJones> brenner, I just have a few general questions to ask regarding some of their products. Maybe it will be faster to just give them a call :) [03:05] <Angrod> brenner: yeah, i tried that... but the system monitor does not work :P [03:05] <HappyFool> snippy: did you install this from ubuntu, or somewhere else? [03:05] <brenner> LinuxJones: they have tech support? sure, why not. [03:05] <brenner> Angrod: can you run 'top' in a terminal? [03:05] <chicken-man> when i try to do './grub-install /dev/hda' i get this error 'could not find device for /boot: not found or not a block device.' please help [03:05] <topyli> seems like ubuntu systems are unbootable today [03:05] <loeki> does anybody can tell me how I let my computer connected with mldonkey [03:05] <snippy> I used a german guide, its not in the repos, had to alien a rpm.. [03:06] <Angrod> brenner: yeah, that works [03:06] <HappyFool> snippy: ah. there is a lufs-source package -- i'd use that instead [03:06] <HappyFool> snippy: the lufs-source package is in the universe repository [03:06] <snippy> HappyFool, I tried [03:06] <HappyFool> snippy: and? [03:06] <brenner> Angrod: you can use that then when it's under stress [03:06] <snippy> HappyFool, same error [03:07] <snippy> I'm using it atm [03:07] <funkyHat> well apt-get update finally finished while i was away: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1425 [03:07] <HappyFool> snippy: i thought you said you were using an alien'ed rpm? [03:07] <dv> brenner, are there any other ways of configuring the mouse? [03:07] <funkyHat> i don't know why i get so many errors:( [03:07] <chicken-man> when i try to do './grub-install /dev/hda' i get this error 'could not find device for /boot: not found or not a block device.' please help [03:07] <munja> hi all [03:08] <funkyHat> hi [03:08] <HappyFool> snippy: i'm downloading it now; i'll see if i can figure it works here [03:08] <munja> I am pretty new with linux [03:08] <HappyFool> err [03:08] <HappyFool> that is, i'll see if i can get it to work here [03:08] <munja> especially ubuntu [03:08] <snippy> HappyFool yes for captive, I tried to run it -> error, then I used the lufs in the repos, same error [03:08] <munja> but I have a question [03:08] <brenner> dv: i'm not certain, but fiddling with xorg.conf might be something...have you searched the forums for mouse topics? [03:08] <Angrod> brenner: oki :) thanks [03:08] <munja> if anyone is willing to help [03:09] <dv> brenner, the xorg.conf settings are overridden [03:09] <chicken-man> help me !! [03:09] <dv> by i-dont-know-what [03:09] <brenner> munja: ask away [03:09] <dv> I set the "Resolution" option [03:09] <dv> which works well in gdm, the mouse is fast enough there. but once I am in gnome, its slow again. [03:09] <chicken-man> help me !! [03:09] <funkyHat> p [03:09] <brenner> chicken-man: if someone knows, they'll answer...repeating yourself only bugs people [03:10] <thoreauputic> funkyHat: looks like http://public.planetmirror.com is terminally ill - try another mirror [03:10] <munja> is there any way to install Linksys WRT54G PCMCIA wireless card? [03:10] <snippy> HappyFool, I found a guy on a forum with the same problem, he made a new kernel because kill_proc_info is not exporting anymore in the new kernel.. [03:10] <HappyFool> snippy: ah [03:10] <funkyHat> thoreauputic, is there a list of mirrors anywhere? [03:10] <iiiears> Good Morning! :) [03:11] <chicken-man> i need help now ! i need to install grub [03:11] <thoreauputic> funkyHat: hang on [03:11] <chicken-man> i don't want to have to boot with the live cd every time [03:11] <brenner> evening iiiears :) [03:11] <iiiears> Hi thoreauputic! [03:12] <filip_> how can i play my wmv movies? [03:12] <thoreauputic> funkyHat: looks like hoary-extras is the culprit - try deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [03:12] <funkyHat> thanks :) [03:12] <iiiears> Hi brenner [03:12] <chicken-man> how do i install grub on /dev/hda ? [03:12] <thoreauputic> iiiears: hi again :) [03:13] <HappyFool> snippy: installing this had better not eat my data, as the README claims ;) [03:13] <guzu> chicken-man, try: grub-install /dev/hda --recheck --no-floppy [03:13] <iiiears> Having trouble with my irc client being overflowed. - would like to find a client that won't accept private messages. [03:14] <snippy> HappyFool :x [03:14] <liable> umode +E [03:14] <liable> stops all but registered [03:14] <iiiears> spent the morning reading about snort inline and packet queues - just seems too drastic for now [03:14] <owtput> filip_: apt-get install w32codecs [03:14] <funkyHat> the updates seemed to authenticate ok once i ran apt-get update too :) [03:14] <filip_> owtput: okey thanx for the fast help :) [03:14] <HappyFool> snippy: hmm. i think you may be right about needing a different kernel [03:15] <brenner> chicken-man: is this after a windows install? [03:15] <martin-> nee some help: I installed a debian package (openmsx). When installing i got some reports about a different libc6 version. I chose to ignore that error and the program works fine. However, when i want to use synaptic package manager he complains about broken packages and with every action wants to remove that packages. Can i somehow let synaptic ignore broken packages? [03:15] <owtput> iiiears: which client were u using, btw? [03:15] <HappyFool> snippy: i get this in dmesg when i 'modprobe lufs' : lufs: Unknown symbol kill_proc_info [03:15] <iiiears> X-chat [03:15] <chicken-man> yes [03:16] <owtput> martin-: you shouldn't, and i don't believe it's possible either [03:16] <snippy> HappyFool, yeah.. the new kernel does not work with that [03:16] <snippy> meh [03:16] <brenner> iiiears: can't you use the ignore list and filter *@* with private enabled? [03:16] <HappyFool> snippy: i don't know what kernel you need though, sorry - see maybe http://lufs.sourceforge.net (eek - last msg 30/10/2003) [03:16] <iiiears> owtput - any suggestions? [03:16] <HappyFool> snippy: what do you actually want to do with this? write to ntfs? [03:16] <chicken-man> i get this error 'could not find device for /boot: not found or not a block device.' [03:16] <brenner> iiiears: can you try and msg me? i'll test it now [03:16] <LinuxDolt> i was called? [03:16] <iiiears> brenner nice tip [03:16] <snippy> HappyFool, lufs is dead.. yes write to ntfs, captive uses the windows drivers so no risks etc.. [03:17] <owtput> martin-: what's preventing you from using fixing-broken-packages in synaptic? [03:17] <Brenton_> I'm having issues getting a network connection on my ubuntu 5.04 box. It's found the nic, but I can't seem to get DHCP to work, I've tested the cord on another box and it's working fine [03:17] <liable> you cant boot from that though.. [03:17] <topyli> martin-: better get the debian source package and build it on ubuntu [03:17] <liable> doh [03:17] <letschatt> my window manager doesn't load. does anyone mind helping me? i have no window manager utilities available :( [03:17] <snippy> Captive was written to interface with the Linux kernel via LUFS. Unfortunately, this project is no longer being maintained by its author. Mounting of NTFS devices usually works, but is no longer supported by the author of Captive. Always unmount the device by umount(8) command before shutting down your GNU/Linux system. [03:17] <snippy> A port of Captive to the newer FUSE interface has not yet been implemented. There is an experimental LUFS-FUSE bridge called lufis that can be used in the meanwhile. Also, the captive-cmdline(1) interface will get around any kernel compatibility problems. [03:17] <LinuxDolt> oh... someone tab-completed for a different Linux name. [03:17] <filip_> owtpu: i cant run apt-get install w32codecs i get error and i dont find it in synaptic [03:17] <brenner> chicken-man: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [03:18] <chicken-man> i've read that lol [03:18] <brenner> chicken-man: looks like you need to mount the ubuntu filesystem first [03:18] <chicken-man> i have [03:18] <brenner> *partition [03:18] <chicken-man> i am in it [03:18] <letschatt> hi everyone. i get gnome to load but it doesn't provide any of the WM facilities [03:18] <brenner> iiiears: did you try and msg me? [03:18] <chicken-man> i'll try remounting i might have missed a bit [03:19] <playback> hi, I have just installed ubuntu and have no idea what I am talking about [03:20] <brenner> letschatt: i've heard of it....maybe try reconfiguring the xorg package? [03:20] <letschatt> is there anyone here who doesn't mind helping me? i've got a strange situation here guys [03:20] <playback> I have a nice virgin raid array and am trying to get it to work... please help [03:20] <chicken-man> how do i unmount a drive ? [03:20] <brenner> filip_: need to add hoary-extras to your repos [03:20] <anthony> Is there any way of speeding up loading of web pages with ubunte 5.04? [03:20] <funkyHat> chicken-man, umount [03:20] <kemik> chicken-man: umount [03:21] <filip_> brenner: okey [03:21] <kemik> it echoes in here [03:21] <martin-> topyli, how dies that building work? [03:21] <csj> hi,all [03:21] <brenner> anthony: using firefox? [03:21] <letschatt> brenner i have very limited screen space because none of my WM functions like maximize or minimize work [03:21] <guzu> hi csj [03:21] <letschatt> i removed metacity from gnome. could that have caused a problem [03:22] <dsas> letschatt: yes [03:22] <letschatt> no shidt? really? [03:22] <brenner> letschatt: yep...it's gnome's engine iirc [03:22] <topyli> martin-: enable unstable deb-src line in sources.list. then apt-get update, apt-get build-depends foo, apt-get -b source foo (where foo is the package) [03:22] <letschatt> alright i am gonna put it back in [03:22] <dsas> letschatt: that's the thing that controls maximise etc [03:22] <martin-> owtput: the right package versions are missing according to dpkg: [03:22] <anthony> yes fire fox [03:22] <brenner> anthony: common problem....there are a few tweaks out there..check the forum [03:22] <robertj> is there an rss feed of backports updates anywhere? [03:23] <martin-> openmsx-catapult depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21); however: [03:23] <martin-> Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu14. [03:23] <ompaul> be kind to yourself remove windows and learn the way of Freedom, not some world where vendor gratuitous changes lie ahead leaving needing their next version to allow you escape from the jail they created for you ... [03:23] <anthony> thanks brenner [03:23] <iiiears> brenner adding ignore "*@*" seems to work Thank You - spent 2 hours reading about packet mangling. roflmao [03:23] <playback> can someone help me with my hard drive problem? [03:24] <garyjr> hi im having a sound problem in ubuntu the newest one its not recognizing my sound card [03:24] <brenner> iiiears: glad to hear......i actually thought of that myself \0/ [03:24] <brenner> iiiears: although a little bloated, xchat is pretty nice i'd say [03:25] <filip_> how can i get hoary-extras ? [03:25] <brenner> !repos [03:25] <ubotu> methinks repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [03:25] <iiiears> X-chat is very nice. - configurable and easy on the eyes [03:25] <HappyFool> !hoary-extras [03:25] <ubotu> hoary-extras is, like, see http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [03:25] <RootX|Arphetic> Only thing i miss in Xchat is support for mIRC scripts [03:25] <RootX|Arphetic> ;) [03:26] <iiiears> perl? [03:26] <brenner> i thought mirc is evil :) [03:26] <funkyHat> um... ok this is worrying: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1426 [03:26] <RootX|Arphetic> iiiears mIRC has nice triggers [03:26] <RootX|Arphetic> lol [ LOL ] = Laughing Out Loud [03:27] <RootX|Arphetic> try !whatis lol and stuff like that [03:27] <RootX|Arphetic> !whatis rootxen [03:27] <ubotu> I don't know, RootX|Arphetic [03:27] <RootX|Arphetic> rofl [03:27] <funkyHat> does anyone else get that? (pastebin above) [03:27] <RootX|Arphetic> err? [03:28] <HappyFool> funkyHat: try again? it's working ok for me [03:28] <brenner> playback: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaidConfigurationHowto [03:28] <erb> hi [03:28] <funkyHat> this has been happening for 3 weeks or so ;) [03:28] <RootX|Arphetic> This HTTP server has broken range support [03:28] <HappyFool> funkyHat: hmm [03:28] <filip_> should i add this deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted to my /etc/apt/sources.list to get hoary-extras ? [03:29] <RootX|Arphetic> I think u should install some other things first? [03:29] <HappyFool> funkyHat: not maybe a proxy problem? [03:29] <funkyHat> filip_, yes [03:29] <chicken-man> WooT i think i done it :-P [03:29] <filip_> funkyHat: okey thanx [03:29] <funkyHat> HappyFool, if it is, then it's my ISP's invisible proxy, and there's not a lot i can do about it :( [03:29] <RootX|Arphetic> chicken-man what? [03:29] <playback> thanx brenner but I haqve nice shiny new virgin barracudas [03:29] <ompaul> !network [03:29] <brenner> chicken-man: well done...what was the fix? [03:29] <ubotu> I don't know, ompaul [03:29] <ompaul> !networks [03:29] <ubotu> I heard networks is Menu item System - Administration - Networking and or it could be sudo pppoeconf [03:30] <martin-> topyli: which repository do i need? I have that mirrormax repository [03:30] <chicken-man> i done it manually using /sbin/grub [03:30] <RootX|Arphetic> they should fix the triggers here [03:30] <brenner> playback: ok. i just asked ubotu for a raid topic [03:30] <RootX|Arphetic> make it !network* instead of !networks [03:30] <brenner> playback: have no idea about them myself [03:30] <topyli> martin-: for unstable sources? [03:30] <HappyFool> funkyHat: hmm. maybe mv some files in /var/cache/apt somewhere else, and retry (this is a wild guess ;) [03:30] <martin-> topyli: yes [03:31] <funkyHat> HappyFool, could i try cleaning the cache? [03:31] <playback> yeah, I read that one. how about how to format another drive? not raid [03:31] <topyli> martin-: i have deb-src http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free [03:31] <HappyFool> funkyHat: 'cleaning' as in? [03:31] <topyli> martin-: you may want another server than fi.debian.org [03:32] <martin-> topyli: why? [03:32] <HappyFool> funkyHat: as in 'apt-get clean' ? [03:32] <topyli> martin-: might get better download rates from a server near you [03:32] <kemik> using debian archives is a bit risky [03:32] <kemik> so you know [03:32] <funkyHat> yeah [03:32] <HappyFool> funkyHat: go for it. look in /var/cache/apt afterwards, see if there's a pkgcache.bin file there [03:33] <topyli> kemik: sources should be safe as long as you build your binaries on ubuntu [03:33] <martin-> topyli: ah ok, and which "unstable" repos wiht openmsx is there for ubuntu? [03:33] <kemik> ah. just getting sources [03:33] <funkyHat> HappyFool, yeah there is [03:33] <topyli> martin-: they are just sources, they're not for ubuntu at all [03:34] <HappyFool> funkyHat: try mv them to say <filename>.bak , and apt-get update again? [03:34] <funkyHat> ok [03:35] <topyli> martin-: openmsx seems to only be in debian stable, there's no unstable package [03:35] <funkyHat> tried it, still get the same error [03:35] <topyli> martin-: it's in breezy too [03:36] <crevette> hello [03:36] <kemik> if its just sources, why not download from the web ? [03:37] <topyli> kemik: debian sources are easy to build using apt [03:37] <topyli> kemik: you end up with a nice debian package [03:37] <shinu> is there any ways to add a resolution to xfce? i only have 1024x768 [03:38] <HappyFool> funkyHat: hmm. I just tried to do partial download using wget on security.ubuntu.com, it worked fine [03:38] <brenner> !tell shinu about fixres [03:38] <HappyFool> funkyHat: "Content-Range: bytes 100-278/279" [03:38] <shinu> brenner: thanks [03:38] <ompaul> kemik, takes some of the work out of it, it is the version that is installed on your machine, so you are not having to look after dependancies - it is the whole idea behind running a distro, you don't have to look after 1million things just a few well targeted ones [03:38] <maverick> folks, wats the default pwd for root ? [03:38] <iiiears> !root [03:38] <ubotu> root is probably disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo [03:39] <ompaul> maverick, there is none see the note from ubotu [03:39] <ompaul> maverick, if you try to do something it is your password it wants to work with sudo [03:39] <iiiears> Mac style super user policy [03:39] <ompaul> maverick, biggest advantage, all actions are logged [03:41] <no_dammagE> hi, can someone help me to configure automount please? somehow it won't work :/ [03:41] <brenner> more info needed [03:42] <no_dammagE> i apt-get install autofs, so I have it now [03:42] <borfast> hi everyone [03:42] <HappyFool> funkyHat: maybe you could use wget with --cache=off to get whatever file is not working, and (maybe) flush the transparent cache, if there is one [03:42] <no_dammagE> i modified the /etc/auto.master script and added: /media/autofs /etc/auto.autofs --timeout=5 [03:42] <no_dammagE> in the auto.autofs script I have cdrom -fstype=iso9660,ro,nosuid,nodev :/dev/cdrom [03:43] <no_dammagE> the paths exist, but /etc/init.d/autofs start doesn't do anything, the cdrom won't be automounted :/ [03:43] <funkyHat> HappyFool, i don't seem to have any problem with wget [03:43] <borfast> guys, this has nothing to do with Ubuntu (I'll get to that next) but I thought I'd ask, since I've seen the same thing in other IRC channels: what's with the "paste" pages, what are they for...? [03:44] <chicken-man> time to see if my system boots :P wish me luck [03:44] <HappyFool> funkyHat: hmm. ok, just an idea [03:44] <no_dammagE> here is the status of autofs: /usr/sbin/automount --timeout=5 /media/autofs program /etc/auto.autofs [03:44] <maverick> thx all [03:44] <brenner> borfast: pastebin to avoid flodding the channel with lots of text [03:44] <iiiears> bet you a "buck" everything is fine chicken man [03:44] <brenner> *flooding [03:44] <chicken-man> lol [03:45] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell borfast about pastebin [03:45] <borfast> brenner: but why paste it there and not here, if I want you guys to see what I'm writing? I don't get it... :| [03:45] <borfast> wow, that's a cool bot :) [03:45] <thoreauputic> borfast: you give us the URL [03:45] <borfast> thanks, EasterSunshine :) [03:46] <borfast> good idea [03:46] <EasterSunshine> borfast: it obnoxiously takes up room, and wastes everyones time and bandwidth, especially the servers [03:46] <iiiears> ubotu you are a genious [03:46] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, iiiears [03:46] <funkyHat> borfast, because the channel moves fast enough as it is, and flooding pisses people off [03:46] <borfast> yeah, I get it, now :) [03:46] <funkyHat> :) [03:46] <EasterSunshine> borfast: there are 488 nicks that will receive five or more obnoxous lines on the screen when only about three or so have to [03:46] <kemik> and if everyone were to paste, there would be chaos [03:47] <jblu> can someone tell me what I need to use to convert .aif files to wav? What app? [03:47] <EasterSunshine> not to mention that the server will drop you after five lines [03:47] <thoreauputic> kemik: there isn't already chaos? [03:47] <funkyHat> hehe [03:47] <iiiears> Easter. - beginning to see it the way server ops see things [03:47] <kemik> thoreauputic: well, even more so ;) [03:47] <iiiears> much better to ubotu "tell" a nick [03:48] <thoreauputic> iiiears: except that people never check their /msg [03:48] <martin-> topyli: what's "breezy"? [03:48] <iiiears> lol - (shrug) - ya know we just can't win. - grin [03:48] <EasterSunshine> martin-: the upcoming new release of ubuntu/kubunut [03:49] <topyli> martin-: unstable ubuntu, the next release [03:49] <crevette> I try to install the nvidia modules for Video card, but I've a dependency pb regarding xlibmesa-glu libglu or libglu1 [03:49] <kemik> and someppl dont even read what's going on in the channel.. even tho they want help :/ [03:49] <crevette> this is due to the mesa migration in breezy ? [03:51] <crevette> There is a way to resov that, or do IO have to wait for the migration ? [03:51] <funkyHat> according to this page: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Xorg_X11_and_Transparency#Nvidia_.2B_Xorg i need to add some lines to xorg.conf to get GLX and composite working together, it says the second 'driver' section, but i've only got one :S [03:51] <Freggy> Does someone know where to file bugs about f-spot in Ubuntu Breezy? There does not seem to be a component f-spot in bugzilla. [03:51] <jpfarias> hey [03:51] <crevette> Freduardo_> f-spot in not supported [03:51] <funkyHat> can anyone tell me where i should put it? [03:51] <crevette> ie not in main [03:52] <jpfarias> anyone got problems with flash applets on firefox? [03:52] <crevette> funkyHat> gnome bugzilla [03:52] <crevette> bugzilla.gnome.org [03:52] <snippy> ok I'm out of here [03:52] <crevette> It's the better for all gnome component [03:52] <jpfarias> It appears some fonts are missing [03:52] <funkyHat> crevette, i'm not reporting a bug, i'm asking where to add a line to my xorg.conf [03:52] <snippy> thanks thoreauputic and HappyFool for your help!! :)) *hugs* byebye [03:52] <d> I'm currently running Kubuntu Hoary w/ KDE 3.4.2. If I upgrade the kernel, will a 'Suspend to disk' option appear under the KDE shutdown menu? What kernel version do I need? [03:52] <crevette> funkyHat> report bugs in ubuntu.org only if it is a building issue [03:53] <HappyFool> snippy: ok, sorry it didn't work out [03:53] <thoreauputic> snippy: bye :) [03:53] <crevette> houps [03:53] <funkyHat> crevette, it's not a bug! [03:53] <crevette> Freggy> I mean [03:53] <borfast> crap... my first try at the pastebin went wrong... the darn thing is not breaking lines and they went way past the browser width :\ [03:53] <snippy> HappyFool, it's ok;) [03:53] <snippy> byee [03:53] <Freggy> hm, ok, thanks, I'll check with latest upstream sources and file a bug on gnome bugzilla... [03:53] <martin-> topyli: So not an repos i can add? [03:54] <FortMa1> How do I configure my sound card in Ubuntu? I'm acustomed to using alsaconf, but that does not appear to installed and apt-get reports It's not available. Synaptic reports alsaconf conflicts w/other packages. [03:54] <d> what version # did suspend to disk enter the kernel? [03:54] <topyli> martin-: sure. i'd add the breezy deb-src repository and build the binary with apt [03:54] <schlomo> Hi [03:55] <schlomo> is it possible to use Ubuntu CD to boot directly to the disk ? [03:55] <jpfarias> can someone help me with missing fonts in flash applets? [03:55] <thoreauputic> !sound [03:55] <ubotu> I guess sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/ [03:55] <topyli> martin-: since you build the package on your system, there should be no dependency conflicts and synaptic will stop complaining about broken packages [03:56] <iiiears> Good Morning schlomo [03:56] <iiiears> boot from the live cd and have access to the hard drives? [03:56] <d> Do I need to upgrade to breezy of can I just update the kernel to get suspend to disk? [03:56] <schlomo> nope [03:56] <borfast> ok, so now I post the URL here and wait for someone to see it and reply? [03:57] <schlomo> problem to boot to serial ATA disk [03:57] <borfast> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1433 [03:57] <brenner> *chuckle* [03:58] <iiiears> not familiar with them -sorry [03:58] <thoreauputic> borfast: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) [03:59] <brenner> borfast: general idea is to paste console output, errors and such.....and although you've done this, you've pasted a description really,....first time i've seen that :) [03:59] <borfast> thoreauputic: I already did that before starting to install vmware-tools [03:59] <sfacius> hi at all [03:59] <Bjorn1> can somebody help me a sec [03:59] <Bjorn1> i'm in the text mode [03:59] <Bjorn1> but how do i start x again ? [04:00] <sfacius> how i can modify mouse themes in ubuntu? [04:00] <dsas> type startx [04:00] <borfast> brenner: sorry, first time using pastebin, I wasn't sure what I should type :\ [04:00] <iiiears> "tartx" [04:00] <Bjorn1> oh lol dsas [04:00] <Bjorn1> i used start x [04:00] <Bjorn1> -_- [04:00] <Bjorn1> thanks anyway :D [04:00] <thoreauputic> borfast: funny, the $(uname -r) should include the -386 [04:00] <brenner> borfast: no, i wasn't grumbling...just the first time i've seen that....might actually be a good idea :) [04:00] <sfacius> how i can modify mouse themes in ubunt? [04:00] <thoreauputic> borfast: what you pasted is fine [04:01] <thoreauputic> ;) [04:01] <deFrysk> sfacius, gcursor [04:01] <Bjorn1> brb going to connect trough my ubuntu pc [04:01] <sfacius> thx [04:01] <sfacius> :D [04:01] <dsas> you should use `uname -r` shouldn't ou? [04:01] <dsas> i.e. include the backticks [04:01] <thoreauputic> dsas: same thing [04:01] <dsas> ahh ok [04:01] <borfast> thoreauputic: I have both the kernel headers and even the kernel source (which shouldn't be necessary) in /usr/src but the darn thing says the kernel versions (the running kernel and the kernel-headers) don't match. I actually used Synaptic and not the command line apt-get [04:01] <thoreauputic> $(uname -r) does the same as `uname -r` [04:01] <Bjorn1> Back [04:02] <Bjorn1> =] [04:02] <dsas> thoreauputic: didn't know that, noted. [04:02] <thoreauputic> borfast: try the command I gave - maybe your kernel has been updated? [04:02] <Bjorn1> I've another problem whenever i enable my nvidia 7800 gtx card my screen turns black :( [04:02] <Bjorn1> And i need to disable the nvidia thing [04:02] <Bjorn1> =/ [04:03] <thoreauputic> dsas: $(uname -r) is arguably more readable :) [04:03] <schlomo> I have to disable RAID for Ide and SATA [04:03] <borfast> thoreauputic: it was but it was updated right before trying to install vmware-tools. this is a completely fresh instalation of ubuntu, I just did an "apt-get update; apt-get" upgrade after installing [04:04] <martin-> topyli: sounds good, what's the address of the repos? [04:04] <borfast> thoreauputic: oh, and I uncommented the Universe repository in sources.list (not sure if it influences the kernel packages) [04:04] <iiiears> !repos [04:04] <ubotu> rumour has it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [04:04] <thoreauputic> borfast: I was just thinking you might have selected the wrong package in synaptic - the literal command would make sure of it [04:05] <borfast> thoreauputic: yeah, I'm going to try the shell command [04:05] <brady> hello [04:05] <thoreauputic> borfast: BTW I know nothing about vmware ;) [04:05] <topyli> martin-: you can copy the "breezy sources" lines from my sources.list http://siltala.net/comp/sources.list [04:06] <spola> i wanna buy a webcam, but im specifically looking for one that will work with ubuntu: is there a list of verified to work webcams online? [04:06] <borfast> thoreauputic: lol. no problem, this has nothing to do with VMware itself, I think. it's just about the naming of the kernel and kernel-headers versions [04:06] <Bjorn1> anyone :)? [04:06] <martin-> topyli: thx [04:07] <Alex> Hey everyone. [04:07] <brady> I have a question about Ubuntu...This is also my first experience with linux. It seems that there is no real video acceleration (i.e. some of the 3d screensavers seem terribly slow for what is being displayed). Is there something I am missing? [04:07] <m0biu5> hi Alex =) [04:07] <dsas> Bjorn1: you did make a backup of your X config file? right? [04:07] <Bjorn1> yes [04:07] <Alex> Right - odd question - my LUG is using Ubuntu for an install day. Anyone got a bunch of really *mouthwatering* shots of Ubuntu's default install? [04:07] <Bjorn1> But where is it located dsas ? [04:07] <Bjorn1> I just started 2 days ago [04:07] <Bjorn1> :/ [04:08] <dsas> Bjorn1: if you didn't make a backup manually then one won't have been made. [04:08] <brenner> spola: your lucky day: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras [04:08] <Bjorn1> oh [04:08] <spola> woow, it IS my lucky day! [04:08] <Bjorn1> dsas, it said backup too blabla [04:08] <Bjorn1> ;x [04:09] <dsas> Bjorn1: it's probably in /etc/X11/ then [04:09] <topyli> Alex: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=305&slide=1 [04:09] <dsas> Bjorn1: or in your home directory [04:09] <brenner> Alex: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/eb/Ubuntu504-1.png [04:09] <Alex> Hmm [04:09] <Alex> Thanks [04:09] <dsas> Bjorn1: You're looking for a xorg.conf or similar. [04:09] <Alex> topyli++ [04:09] <Alex> brenner++ [04:09] <Alex> :) [04:09] <brenner> actaully, not quite default :) [04:10] <topyli> Alex: for a mouthwatering shot unlike those, see http://siltala.net/comp/Hoary-desktop.jpg :) [04:10] <Alex> Thanks. [04:10] <Alex> Anyone know if mako hangs around here? [04:10] <borfast> thoreauputic: I think you hit the nail on the head - I do have a kernel-headers directory in /usr/src but there's no kernel-headers package installed - don't know why, I installed it and the files are there..... :| [04:10] <brenner> topyli: cheater! that's not default! [04:10] <brenner> :D [04:11] <dsas> #ubuntu-devel [04:11] <thoreauputic> borfast: note that in ubuntu it's "linux-headers-$(uname -r)" [04:11] <dsas> whoops [04:11] <Alex> Thanks, dsas :) [04:11] <topyli> brenner: not by a long shot :) [04:12] <topyli> brenner: i did link to osdir's screenshots as well though [04:12] <thoreauputic> borfast: dpkg -L linux-headers-$(uname -r) to see where the files install [04:13] <brenner> ubotu: hardware is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport [04:13] <thoreauputic> -----------> coffee brb [04:13] <ubotu> brenner: okay [04:13] <brenner> topyli: lucky break :) [04:13] <brenner> i'll let you off this time [04:14] <Alex> Yeah, we partially forgive you - if anyone does have a screenshot to show off though, gimme a shout in privmsg, and I might bung it on the website. [04:14] <zapada> will ubuntu work with my usb flash stick? [04:14] <Alex> zapada: Most probably. [04:14] <zapada> what about digital cameras>? [04:15] <Alex> Which camera? [04:15] <dsas> zapada: depends on the camera [04:15] <topyli> zapada: most of them work as simple usb drives [04:15] <zapada> sony something [04:15] <brenner> Alex: there are stacks of gnome desktops out there...which is pretty much *the* DE most ubuntu user's will use [04:15] <Alex> My digi cam treats it as a USB drive [04:15] <zapada> cool [04:15] <guzu> mass storage device [04:15] <Alex> brenner: Hehe :) I know - this is for new users, so we're aiming to be promoting the default [04:16] <zapada> is there a good dvd authoring program for linux? [04:16] <zapada> like sony's vegas/dvd architect [04:16] <zapada> or i would just be able to wine it? [04:17] <dsas> zapada: my digicam prompts me to copy photos when i plug it in (kodak) [04:17] <eliphas_> I am sure one should exist [04:17] <eliphas_> try sourceforge [04:18] <plb> hrm does breezy colony 3 have gtk + cairo? [04:18] <martin-> topyli: I installed the breezy src line in sources.list. I also see the repos in synpacitc but when i search; no openmsx [04:18] <topyli> martin-: synaptic doesn't do source packages. use apt [04:19] <topyli> martin-: apt-get update; apt-get build-depend foo; apt-get -b source foo [04:20] <thoreauputic> apt-get build-dep actually [04:20] <topyli> thoreauputic: oh yeah! [04:20] <thoreauputic> :) [04:21] <karljp> anyone know why I have dvd audio with mplayer, but not with totem or xine? [04:22] <sfacius> hi at all [04:22] <sfacius> i want to modify theme of mouse but gcursor doesn't recognise index.theme. Why? [04:22] <sneezymarble> I'm trying to install "nvidia-glx" through synaptic and before the file even downloads a dialogue pops up asking me to put the Ubunutu Installation CD in the drive. I do, then press "ok" and nothing happens....any ideas?... [04:23] <apella> i have a question about the x-server: how do i shut it off? [04:23] <topyli> apella: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop [04:23] <brenner> sneezymarble: it's using your CD as a repo...bets to disable it and just use net repos [04:23] <brenner> *best [04:23] <aima_> wah xchat is shit [04:23] <thoreauputic> sfacius: when you change cursors, the change comes into effect nest time you log in (or restart X) [04:23] <aima_> erk wrong channel [04:23] <Bjorn1> aima_, fu :) [04:23] <apella> topyli: thx [04:23] <Bjorn1> :x [04:23] <Bjorn1> <3 [04:24] <Bjorn1> its better then mirc imo [04:24] <Bjorn1> :D [04:24] <aima_> Bjorn1, well sure [04:24] <topyli> heh [04:24] <sneezymarble> ahhh, ok that makes sense. Thanks. I'm very new with Ubuntu...and linux :0) [04:24] <aima_> but at leat mirc doesn't crash when i load a script [04:24] <Bjorn1> =] [04:24] <brenner> Bjorn1: but does it have cool triggers? :) [04:24] <Bjorn1> brenner, i only use it for chatting [04:24] <jdahm> hey anyone here have any tips on how to clean the head on my printer? [04:24] <Bjorn1> nothing else ;D [04:25] <brenner> Bjorn1: j/k....this conversation came up half an hour ago [04:25] <brenner> :) [04:25] <Bjorn1> oh [04:25] <Bjorn1> Darn you :( [04:25] <sneezymarble> brenner: I'm sorry if this is an inane question...but, how do I do what you have suggested? [04:25] <brenner> jdahm: that's very ubuntu-related :D [04:25] <Alex> How much diskspace does the Ubuntu default (everything) take? [04:25] <sfacius> thoreauputic the themes weren't installed [04:25] <brenner> sneezymarble: do you know how to use synaptic/apt-get ? [04:25] <jdahm> brenner, well I installed ubuntu and suddenly my printer makes sounds when it prints and then I cant clean it because theres no app for that [04:26] <sneezymarble> brenner: not really [04:26] <aima_> jdahm, what kind of sounds? [04:26] <brenner> Alex: 1.8gb typical [04:26] <aima_> maybe a family of mice moved in [04:26] <brenner> Alex: 350mb minimal [04:26] <jdahm> aima_, normals sounds of a dirty head some scratching and I get lines in the test page where there should be color [04:26] <brenner> sneezymarble: sys > admin > synaptic [04:27] <Alex> brenner: Typical is what we're aiming at. Thanks [04:27] <sneezymarble> brenner: I understand if you don't want to explain it. I believe I saw a tuturial on apt-get in the wiki. [04:27] <shinu> hey [04:27] <topyli> i should clean up [04:27] <aima_> jdahm, is that what happened before you used linux when the head was dirty? [04:27] <sneezymarble> I'll check there and see if I can figure it out. [04:27] <shinu> anyone know more or less how long would an installation of ubuntu take? [04:27] <martin-> topyli: did apt-get update but these 2 other commands won't work [04:27] <brenner> sneezymarble: no, no biggie.....the wiki probably would explain it better anyway :) [04:27] <apella> sorry to be irritating, but could you tell me again how to shut down the x-server? i accidently turned this thing off:) [04:28] <damotor> hi [04:28] <sneezymarble> brenner: thank you though [04:28] <brenner> sneezymarble: but what you're doing is very easy, i can walk you through [04:28] <topyli> martin-: i made a typo. it's "apt-get build-dep" not build-depend [04:28] <HappyFool> apella: maybe Ctl-Alt-Backspace ? [04:28] <jdahm> aima_, yeah the printer sucks I always had to clean the head a lot and there was an app for it in windows [04:28] <brenner> sneezymarble: open a terminal [04:28] <sneezymarble> ok [04:28] <brenner> sneezymarble: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list [04:28] <thoreauputic> !start an irc client war [04:28] <aima_> apella, "sudo /etc/init.d/xorg stop" should do it [04:28] <ubotu> irssi is better than konversation ! [04:28] <brenner> sneezymarble: type that [04:28] <apella> thx [04:28] <brenner> or copy and paste :P [04:29] <martin-> topyli: and what stand "foo" for? [04:29] <sneezymarble> ok [04:29] <aima_> i hope that's what apella meant [04:29] <brenner> sneezymarble: did a file open up? [04:29] <sneezymarble> yes [04:29] <topyli> martin-: your package name. openmsx? [04:29] <aima_> jdahm, is it an epson printer? [04:29] <brenner> sneezymarble: see the top line.... it should have CD there somewhere [04:29] <nerp> yeah, speaking of sources.list anyone have a list of repositories that actually work? [04:29] <Brenton_> hey all, I'm having issues with my network card in ubuntu [04:29] <HappyFool> !repos [04:29] <ubotu> from memory, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [04:29] <sneezymarble> yes it does [04:29] <nerp> seems like the mirrors I have are somewhat bungled [04:29] <HappyFool> the second link should be a working sample sources.list [04:29] <jdahm> aima_, yeah [04:30] <brenner> sneezymarble: comment it out by putting a # character at the start of the line [04:30] <topyli> martin-: also note that in my sources.list the source lines are commented [04:30] <sneezymarble> gotcha [04:30] <martin-> topyli: yes, i removed the "#" [04:30] <aima_> jdahm, sounds like it :) there is an epson utility, I only used it once, it came on a magazine cover [04:30] <brenner> sneezymarble: you might want to enable universe and multiverse while you're at it [04:30] <Brenton_> I've tested the card on another computer and it's working fine, ubuntu is recognizing the card, but does not get an IP address [04:30] <aima_> jdahm, it may even be in the apt repository [04:30] <jdahm> I checked ut I didnt see anything aima_ [04:30] <aima_> it has mostly the same functions as the windows one iirc [04:31] <sneezymarble> hmm, ok I see some universe stuff and I imagine I need to remove the # [04:31] <brenner> sneezymarble: yep, you can do that by removing the # character at the start of these two lines: [04:31] <brenner> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse [04:31] <brenner> deb-src ftp://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse [04:31] <martin-> topyli: is there a file where i can lokup taht package name? [04:31] <brenner> shoops [04:31] <brenner> *whoops [04:31] <brenner> second one should be: deb-src ftp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse [04:32] <aima_> jdahm, escputil if it's an epson stylus [04:32] <sneezymarble> brenner: thank you very much [04:32] <brenner> i'm assuming you don't want to use an australian mirror :) [04:32] <brenner> sneezymarble: no probs, save and close [04:32] <brenner> sneezymarble: then type: sudo apt-get update [04:32] <topyli> martin-: use the web search on http://packages.ubuntu.com [04:32] <sneezymarble> I'm downloading and installing "nvidia-glx" right now [04:32] <shin> !list [04:32] <ubotu> list is probably you can see a list of things I know at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage [04:32] <topyli> martin-: remember to use "breezy" for the distribution [04:33] <thoreauputic> brenner: actually last I checked the au mirror pointed at the uk one (go figure) [04:33] <damotor> some time ago I compiled a wireless driver module that wwasn't included in the ubuntu kernel; may the module I compiled stop working if I update the kernel version? [04:33] <brenner> thoreauputic: really? [04:33] <brenner> thoreauputic: that's rather naughty [04:34] <aima_> jdahm, right going to do some gardening, i hope your printer gets better soon [04:34] <brenner> thoreauputic: or doesn't au stand for what it's meant to? [04:34] <jdahm> aima_, alright thanks [04:34] <Bjorn1> australia or austria [04:34] <Bjorn1> both are au [04:34] <Bjorn1> :o [04:34] <shin> italiani? [04:34] <thoreauputic> host archive.ubuntu.com [04:34] <thoreauputic> archive.ubuntu.com has address 82.211.81.138 [04:34] <HappyFool> brenner: i think uk is the 'main' repo; if a mirror doesn't exist, that is used a placeholder [04:35] <brenner> Bjorn1: austria : at [04:35] <Spasm> hai smua!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [04:35] <brenner> Bjorn1: at least i think so [04:35] <HappyFool> afaik the south africa 'mirror' points to the uk one as well [04:35] <thoreauputic> host au.archive.ubuntu.com au.archive.ubuntu.com has address 82.211.81.138 [04:36] <brenner> thoreauputic: heh....so i assume you don't use them? [04:36] <thoreauputic> brenner: I just use the au one since it's the same anyway and works fine ;) [04:36] <brenner> heh, ok then. :) [04:37] <brenner> what about asian mirrors? they're closer aren't they? [04:37] <brenner> i don't know why i'm asking...i'm on dialup! [04:37] <brenner> doesn't make much of a diff. :D [04:38] <thoreauputic> brenner: same here :) [04:38] <Mabus> hi, can anyone help me with Eclipse ( https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1800 ) ? [04:38] <nerp> oddly enough public.planetmirror.com isn't working for me.. [04:38] <nerp> before it was ftp2.caliu.info [04:38] <thoreauputic> nerp: someone else had the same issue a while ago [04:39] <HappyFool> !hoary-extras [04:39] <ubotu> somebody said hoary-extras was see http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [04:39] <nerp> thoreauputic: any solutions offered/found? [04:39] <thoreauputic> nerp: use ubotu's URLs above [04:39] <nerp> rgr [04:39] <thoreauputic> mirrormax [04:39] <martin-> topyli: Ok the second command worked but the last one gave: [04:39] <Belutz> topyli: how to change the desktop font color from white to black? [04:39] <chriszanf> im trying to install oss drivers and have to do it when logged out of X - when I do this I cant gain su staus to install. anyone know any answers? [04:40] <martin-> dpkg-source: extracting openmsx in openmsx-0.5.2 [04:40] <martin-> sh: line 0: cd: openmsx-0.5.2: No such file or directory [04:40] <topyli> Belutz: i have no idea :( [04:40] <thoreauputic> chrissturm: sudo -i [04:40] <Belutz> topyli: :) [04:40] <nerp> thanks [04:40] <thoreauputic> chriszanf: sorry that was for you ^^^ [04:41] <nerp> 99% [Waiting for headers] [04:41] <chriszanf> so when ive logged out I just do: sudo -i ? [04:41] <nerp> planetmirror is usually overloaded [04:41] <nerp> if it loads i'll leave it be for now [04:41] <chriszanf> cool - thanks [04:41] <martin-> topily: Or do i need to put something else for "source"? [04:41] <thoreauputic> chriszanf: sudo -i gives you a root shell [04:41] <topyli> martin-: maybe it's broken. is there in fact such a directory (openmsx-0.5.2)? [04:41] <jdahm> ok I got the utility, but where in /dev/ is my printer (its USB1) [04:42] <gfxstyler> hey there!! [04:43] <topyli> martin-: i think the command is ok [04:43] <Kudozero> hi to everyone... Sex&Longlive [04:44] <topyli> martin-: if the package got extracted, you can do "fakeroot debian/rules" in the openmsx source dir [04:44] <martin-> topyli: It was, my current dir was /cdrom ;)))) [04:44] <topyli> martin-: :) [04:44] <nerp> bah, closed wrong window [04:44] <Stiivi> hi [04:44] <martin-> topyli: Alright, looks like it's compiling [04:45] <martin-> topyli: what do those 3 commands do (trying to learn something)? [04:45] <nerp> yay [04:45] <nerp> woked finally :D [04:45] <martin-> topyli: and what does "fakeroot" do? [04:45] <topyli> martin-: update updates your package lists, build-dep gets all packages needed to compile the new package, and the last one compiles and builds the binary [04:45] <Stiivi> i have migrated from mandrake to ubuntu just yesterday .... finally after solving jfs problem. the distribution looks neat! :) [04:46] <topyli> mario: fakeroot just runs the rules file, which contains instructions for building the deb [04:46] <topyli> martin- not mario, sorry :) [04:46] <Bjorn1> is there an howto [04:46] <Bjorn1> to compile source files [04:46] <Bjorn1> :o [04:46] <brenner> Stiivi: good to hear :) [04:47] <martin-> topyli: Aha ok, but it doesn't put the files in the right directories? That has to be done manually? [04:47] <Stiivi> brenner: :) [04:47] <brenner> Bjorn1: as in install from source? [04:47] <thoreauputic> !compile [04:47] <ubotu> compile is, like, tar -zxvf tarball, cd blah, ./configure, make, make install or install by hand Ask me about <compiling> [04:47] <djcb> where can i find xfontsel? it seems to have vanished in breezy lately... [04:48] <eliphas_> ! compiling [04:48] <Stiivi> there was too much strange magic in the Mandrake, i gave up fighting with it [04:48] <eliphas_> !compiling [04:48] <guzu> how do i mount a samba share in ubuntu 5.04? [04:48] <HappyFool> !samba [04:48] <ubotu> somebody said samba was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently [04:49] <martin-> toplyi: Normally a debian package chooses the right directories for you, right? [04:49] <thoreauputic> !compiling [04:49] <thoreauputic> ah, it's too long for the channel [04:49] <nerp> Stiivi: what sort of problems did you have with mandrake? [04:49] <djcb> !xfontsel [04:49] <ubotu> djcb: Wish i knew [04:49] <brenner> Stiivi: was my first distro i used at home so i have fond memories. i didn't know how to get my net connection up though, so i didn't really run into the RPM issues people apparently have. [04:49] <thoreauputic> !+compiling [04:49] <ubotu> Compiling software when you have no idea what you're doing is _not_ a good idea. You will probably end up breaking your system and you can safely assume nobody here will want to help you after that. If there is a precompiled version, just use THAT instead. Really. [04:49] <guzu> so how do i mount a samba share in ubuntu 5.04? [04:50] <chriszanf> trying to install oss, when I just logged out, it still says that I appear to have a kernel level sound driver installed [04:50] <Montagh> im getting a slow connection after i installed hoary, is there something i can change or is my isp throttling me for dl too much heh [04:50] <pumbaa> FUCK OFF [04:50] <nerp> I've used mandrake since 7.0 up until Le 2005, did ok by me [04:50] <Stiivi> nerp: many, but the one that was the final drop was that the network configuration was constantly changing even on small updates, so i had to reconfigure whole network when I moved between places [04:50] <shinu> does ubuntu support widescreen laptops properly? [04:50] <nerp> but I was looking for a change [04:50] <brenner> Bjorn1: you can use checkinstall to make a nice deb file which you can then install and remove :) [04:50] <kafeine> pumbaa was weird. [04:51] <nerp> so I switched to ubuntu then suse pro 9.3 then debian then mandriva beta 0.2 2006 and back to ubuntu [04:51] <topyli> martin-: yes, it should be clever [04:51] <brenner> kafeine: must be looking for timon [04:51] <kafeine> in a truly weird manner.. [04:51] <nerp> Stiivi: what do you mean changing? [04:51] <kafeine> shinu, generally yes [04:52] <shinu> kafeine: k, thanks, i can already see it :) [04:52] <martin-> topyli: It compiled now, how can i let it do the clever stuff now so everything is put in the right dirs? [04:52] <Stiivi> anyway, there was too slow startup/unsuspend, broken samba (well, i have not tried that one on ubuntu, that would be the next step), very broken latin-2 support in openoffice (strange font replacements in printing/PDF), weird dead-keys handling on slovak keyboard ... etc... [04:52] <nerp> I see [04:52] <topyli> martin-: you should find a deb package in your current dir. use "dpkg -i foo.deb" to install and pray [04:52] <Stiivi> nerp: i have changed, for example, my IP, and other configuration was lost, like wireless settings or DNS [04:52] <Stiivi> but it was not predictable [04:52] <martin-> topyli: there is a .deb file, should i just do dpkg -i that file? [04:53] <topyli> martin-: yes [04:53] <martin-> sorry, you already told me, thx [04:53] <Stiivi> how is it with samba and ubuntu? [04:53] <Stiivi> i have installed 'bum', but I can not see samba service there even I have samba packages installed [04:53] <nerp> Stiivi: sounds like you allowed DHCP to change your hostname [04:53] <brenner> Montagh: browser only? or every net app? [04:53] <topyli> martin-: and don't forget to pray: wave a dead chicken on your keyboard while installing :) [04:53] <Mabus> how would I grep for null (U+0) in a file ? [04:54] <Stiivi> nerp: no, i never used dhcp ... it was configuration scripts problem [04:54] <nerp> oh, interesting [04:54] <umberleigh> hi. i'm having trouble getting my soundcard to work. every time i login KDE tells me it can't find the device and defaults to /dev/null, also KMix defaults back to using my USB camera/mike instead of my nForce2 soundcard [04:54] <Montagh> yeah most things are doing it [04:55] <brenner> ubotu: tell umberleigh about sound [04:55] <brenner> umberleigh: read those while you wait [04:55] <nerp> ubotu: gives brenner a beer [04:55] <ubotu> nerp: Are you smoking crack? [04:55] <nerp> not yet [04:55] <nerp> hehe [04:56] <umberleigh> brenner: thanks [04:56] <topyli> hah [04:56] <chriszanf> trying to install oss, when I just logged out, it still says that I appear to have a kernel level sound driver installed [04:56] <nerp> ubotu: give brenner a beer! [04:56] <ubotu> nerp: Do they come in packets of five? [04:56] <chriszanf> how do I remove the driver? [04:56] <nerp> ubotu: no, six [04:56] <ubotu> nerp: Do they come in packets of five? [04:56] <topyli> heh [04:56] <nerp> ubotu: beer somes in packets of six! [04:56] <ubotu> nerp: I give up, what is it? [04:57] <martin-> topyli: ;) [04:57] <nerp> it'd help if I could spell [04:57] <brenner> Montagh: well, check your usage limit....othwerwise, probably a setup thing you need to sort out [04:57] <Stiivi> hm, another interesting thing about ubuntu (and perhaps other linux distributions) ... friend of mine started reinstalling windows hour before me [04:57] <Montagh> ahr ite [04:58] <nerp> hmm anyone have any idea as to what this might be: [04:58] <nerp> faen@levity:/etc$ *** attempt to put segment in horiz list twice [04:58] <nerp> *** attempt to put segment in horiz list twice [04:58] <brenner> Stiivi: and let me guess, you beat him? :D [04:58] <nerp> when using gedit [04:58] <_SWAT_> Just read about SHA-1 being easily falsified. Is there any way to 'standard' increase your login (and more) to SHA-512 ? [04:58] <thoreauputic> nerp: it's just a warning - you can usually ignore those [04:59] <Michael> Hi, I have a problem with mi wifi conection. Installed the drivers with ndiswrapper and all is ok. But I don't sent or recieve nothing [04:59] <Stiivi> ... when I have finished, mounted my old /home partition and played with my documents in OO.org to see whether it works ... he was finishing network configuration and starting to install other software, such as antivirus :) [04:59] <chriszanf> does anyone know or am I wasting my time here? [04:59] <brenner> Stiivi: lol...i knew it... [04:59] <Stiivi> :) [04:59] <thoreauputic> chriszanf: or possibly your question needs rephrasing [04:59] <brenner> Stiivi: did the docs work in OO? :D [04:59] <Stiivi> sure :) [05:00] <brenner> lol [05:00] <Montagh> sudo apt-get install life.deb [05:00] <brenner> Stiivi: so why haven't you converted him/her yet? :P [05:00] <Mabus> I'm getting tons of "perl: warning: Setting locale failed." when running apt [05:01] <Mabus> after using the language chooser thingy [05:01] <thoreauputic> Mabus: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales [05:02] <chriszanf> ok - Im trying to install oss sound drivers. when I run the install it says: "you appear to have the kernel level sound module being loaded automagically by the kerneld daemon" It suggests logging out of X session and trying there. When I do that, it says exactly the same thing. How do I stop the kernel daemon loading the sound module? [05:02] <Stiivi> brenner: games, games and ... well ... games :-/ [05:02] <brenner> Stiivi: dualboot [05:02] <Mabus> thoreauputic: Would I have to restart to get things to re-read the locales ? [05:02] <Mabus> after running reconfigure [05:02] <Stiivi> brenner: too complicated (for standard user) [05:03] <thoreauputic> Mabus: don't know - probably logout/login [05:03] <Mabus> right, thanks alot [05:03] <hardw1re> anyone here managed to get Gaim-w to compile on the x86_64 system? [05:03] <brenner> chriszanf: how are you logging out? [05:04] <Belutz> how to apt-get install when i don't know exactly the package name? [05:04] <chriszanf> i was using /etc/init.d/gdm stop [05:04] <hardw1re> apt-cache search <name> [05:04] <Stiivi> on the other hand ... allways when I try to convert someone at least to OO if not to a Linux distro, iam confronted with a question: "and why would someone do it for free?" [05:04] <thoreauputic> chriszanf: I don't understand why you are installing oss - ubuntu uses alsa [05:04] <brenner> chriszanf: and then ctrl+alt+backspace? iirc [05:04] <Stiivi> and that is the most difficult question to answer [05:05] <endgamer> I have a question, and believe me I've been all round the houses and tried every possible resource to get this answered - I've been at it for over 4 hours and I'm going spare - I've just installed a new 5.04 Ubuntu, and I can't figure out how to upgrade glibc - the source won't compile and I can't find a package anywhere. Could someone help before I snap? :-) [05:05] <chriszanf> i have m-audio delta 66 and it doesnt seem to work [05:05] <jbailey> endgamer: Upgrading glibc beyond what's there is usually a mistake. [05:05] <chriszanf> when i went to masudio's site, the linux driver they point to is oss [05:05] <umberleigh> how do i manually free the sound card / check to see if anything's using it? [05:05] <jbailey> endgamer: What problem are you trying to solve? [05:05] <brenner> Stiivi: really? when i tell people stuffs free, they don't really care about where it came from :) [05:05] <hardw1re> # Upgrading glibc is highly dangerous, so we recommend in this situation that you [05:05] <hardw1re> # compile the app you want to install from the sources if possible. Sorry :( [05:05] <thoreauputic> chriszanf: oss is a kernel 2.4 thing - 2.6.* uses alsa [05:06] <hardw1re> so where can i get the glibc source? [05:06] <endgamer> Trying to install software to handle my MP3 player - it needs glibc-2.3.4 at least... [05:07] <Stiivi> umberleigh: lsof | grep /dev/mixer [05:07] <jbailey> Err. [05:07] <jbailey> If you compile your own glibc, you face a VERY high probably of breaking your system completely, just don't do it. [05:07] <Stiivi> brenner: hm, people, usualy from business, are very skeptical to free stuff as they know that "there is no such thing as free lunch" [05:07] <jbailey> If you need the newer glibc, upgrade your whole system to breezy. You'll be far better off. [05:07] <endgamer> Crapola. And you can't use a package? [05:07] <jbailey> All of the bumps and pain of breezy will be far *less* than if you build your own glibc. [05:08] <endgamer> Breezy? New Ubuntu? I didn't see it on the lists... [05:08] <Belutz> if i want to compile something, do i have to install libxxx-dev packages? [05:08] <jbailey> It's not released yet. [05:08] <thoreauputic> Stiivi: Free as in Freedom <---- [05:08] <mark__> whats the linux-image-2.6.10-5.1686/386 update in the repositorie is it necessary? [05:08] <endgamer> Ah... [05:08] <brenner> Stiivi: ah, that's probably it....most people i know aren't of the business age. [05:08] <Stiivi> thoreauputic: but they think of "free as in free beer" and that is the source of the problem [05:08] <jbailey> endgamer: It's due out in 6 weeks, though, so it's pretty close. [05:08] <jbailey> There are still bumps though. [05:09] <endgamer> Not release as in can't-get-it-at-all or not released as in use-it-at-your-own-risk? <g> [05:09] <thoreauputic> Stiivi: yes, I know :/ English has a problem with that [05:09] <Stiivi> thoreauputic: not only english [05:09] <hardw1re> O_o [05:09] <Apurva> hi there .... [05:09] <Apurva> newbie in the house [05:10] <brenner> Stiivi: he's an aussie....his bias comes out sometimes :) [05:10] <Stiivi> :) [05:10] <Apurva> anyone around to lend a lil help here ? [05:10] <thoreauputic> Stiivi: hence "libre" [05:10] <Stiivi> i see [05:10] <ook_> hey... can I install 32bit ubuntu if I have 64bit AMD processor...? ubuntu as 64 is causing some problems with some software [05:10] <chriszanf> OK - Im playing an mp3 now and have no sound - I have gone to the volume control - selected my sound card delta 66 [alsa] and still have no sound [05:10] <thoreauputic> brenner: hmm - I grew up in Switzerland [05:10] <hardw1re> ook_ yeah i think you can [05:10] <eliphas_> chrissturm, check if anything else use the sound already [05:10] <Apurva> anyone ? [05:10] <Stiivi> well, in slovak some people use translation of free as "freely distributeable" [05:10] <mjr> ook_, yes [05:11] <guzu> now, it looks like after the installation of the last linux-image (or sthing like this) my apt-get keeps ending in segmentation fault. anyone any aidea, please? [05:11] <Stiivi> but people do not get it [05:11] <thoreauputic> Stiivi: ignore brenner - he's an Aussie ;) [05:11] <chriszanf> how do I check if something is? [05:11] <guzu> aidea/idea [05:11] <HappyFool> Apurva: ask your question; if someone knows, they'll help [05:11] <ook_> ok, thanks [05:11] <umberleigh> lsof | grep /dev/mixer turns up nothing, though lsof | /dev/snd/* says 'File descriptor in bad state' for a few things [05:11] <brenner> thoreauputic: lol [05:11] <thoreauputic> :) [05:11] <brenner> i was waiting for that [05:11] <endgamer> Jbailey? Is it possible to get a beta download? Or is it totally unavailable? [05:12] <brenner> endgamer: lots of people are running it now...use at your own risk though afaik [05:12] <Apurva> i am looking at installing ubuntu on a flash drive ... live cd kinda install .... i am on a windows box now ... do i need to burn the CD first... boot from CD and then install it on the flash drive or is there a direct way to it ? [05:12] <guzu> nobody :( [05:12] <topyli> endgamer: you can upgrade but that's at your own risk [05:12] <hardw1re> anyone know if there is an msn client that can do webcam capabilities? [05:12] <jbailey> endgamer: Sure, just change your sources to point to breezy instead of hoary. I still don't recommend doing this. But it'll be FAR nicer than updating your own glibc. [05:12] <hardw1re> anyone know if there is an msn client that can do webcam capabilities? x86_64 system [05:13] <endgamer> Ooookay...well, it's a new installation so I don't mind breaking it, I can always start again from scratch. Thank you SO much guys, you wouldn't believe how much aggravation and pain this has caused me. You are alll the man... [05:13] <guzu> hardw1re, maybe gnomemeeting [05:13] <jbailey> Ooo, a collective singular. [05:13] <hardw1re> but does gnomemeeting work over msn? :P [05:14] <chriszanf> ha....just inserted a cd and now cd player closes immediately. how can I checxk if somehting else is using the soundcard? [05:14] <thoreauputic> jbailey: /join #grammar-geeks ;-) [05:14] <Apurva> i am looking at installing ubuntu on a flash drive ... live cd kinda install .... i am on a windows box now ... do i need to burn the CD first... boot from CD and then install it on the flash drive or is there a direct way to it ? [05:14] <jbailey> thoreauputic: *lol* [05:14] <thoreauputic> *grin* [05:14] <guzu> hardw1re, i've heard it's the only thing it works over with webcam capabilities [05:15] <selinium> Hi all, i have started to get error message 'Failed to run nautilus: Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.' while trying to gksudo nautilus. Any ideas? [05:15] <brenner> thoreauputic: for some reason i always join the joke channels to see if they actually exist :) [05:15] <hardw1re> ok, ummm, well, when i have my webcam plugged in it causes certain things to not work properly, such like Counter-Strike Source. [05:15] <thoreauputic> brenner: of course they exist - you just are in aminority of one in them ;) [05:15] <hardw1re> my webcam also has a built in microphone [05:16] <brenner> ah, of course. :) [05:16] <selinium> hi thoreauputic [05:17] <brenner> anyway, where has nalioth been lately? [05:17] <endgamer> Uh-oh...I changed the repositories but glibc still isn't on any of the lists...am I being dumb? [05:18] <thoreauputic> brenner: of course if you have doubts about their existence you can /join #epistemology [05:18] <thoreauputic> ;) [05:18] <surfdue> in xine and totem [05:18] <surfdue> i cant play .wmv [05:18] <thoreauputic> selinium: hello :) [05:18] <surfdue> is there a way 2 do this [05:18] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: d'oh, I actually thought it existed for a second [05:18] <thoreauputic> surfdue: install w32codecs [05:18] <brenner> thoreauputic: scary...one person in there. [05:18] <hardw1re> guzu: any idea why my webcam causes the system to not run smoothly? [05:18] <thoreauputic> hahah [05:19] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: matters of existence and being are generally more suited to metaphysics though; even if there's an overlap with epistemology quite a bit [05:19] <selinium> thoreauputic: do you know anything about Xauth? MIne is playing up [05:19] <brenner> that's him/her [05:19] <guzu> hardw1re, no, soory [05:19] <thoreauputic> selinium: sudo rm ~/.Xauthority ;) [05:20] <brenner> apokryphos: /j #smart-alecs [05:20] <brenner> :D [05:20] <apokryphos> heh [05:20] <apokryphos> brenner: you left just before I could silence you ;-) [05:20] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: or theology ! /me hides [05:20] <endgamer> JBailey? Help? [05:20] <brenner> apokryphos: heh....i thought it was probably some weirdo....so i did a runner. :) [05:21] <jbailey> endgamer: Did you run apt-get update after? [05:21] <apokryphos> brenner: and you've changed your mind on that? 8) [05:21] <endgamer> Well, I refreshed my lists (I'm using synaptic) [05:21] <jbailey> Hmm, and you're sure it's all pointing at breezy now? [05:21] <brenner> >_> [05:21] <hardw1re> will breezybadger run on the x86_64 kernels? [05:21] <bmonnens> hey, i have on 1 computer with dual screen vino enabled, now when i connect with my laptop to that computer (using vncviewer) its all screwed up, is there a way you can fix this given some extra command line arguments or something else? [05:22] <thoreauputic> brenner: more weird than apokryphos would require thoreaup ^H^H^H ... oh, wait [05:22] <endgamer> running apt-get update now, maybe synaptic didn't...ah, it is doing some new stuff... [05:22] <brenner> endgamer: need to use 'reload' in synaptic [05:23] <guzu> where can be reported ubuntu bugs? [05:23] <selinium> thoreauputic: I keep getting Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file. even after removing that xauth [05:23] <endgamer> I checked all the repositories on my list, all on breezy, none reported error - could I be missing a rep? [05:23] <brenner> lol [05:24] <nudnick2> I'm installing linux and i cometo a screen where it prompts either to choose linux-386, linux-image-386, or linux-image-2.6.20-5-386. what should i choose? [05:24] <brenner> just saw this: [05:24] <brenner> !bugs [05:24] <selinium> thoreauputic: I am trying to gksudo, would i need to remove the root .Xauth file? [05:24] <thoreauputic> selinium: hmmm... I doubt it but I guess it won't hurt to try [05:24] <HappyFool> nudnick2: linux-386 [05:25] <apokryphos> guzu: bugzilla.ubuntu.com [05:25] <HappyFool> nudnick2: what distro is that? doesn't look like ubuntu to me [05:25] <nudnick2> HappyFool: why that one, what are the differences [05:25] <guzu> brenner, or even better, if apt is no longer working, are there other ways to install .debs? [05:25] <HappyFool> nudnick2: linux-386 is a 'fake' package, which will install the others. it makes for easier upgrades [05:25] <nudnick2> HappyFool, its ubuntu. i did expert install mode because ubuntu hates my pcmcia reader [05:25] <thoreauputic> selinium: or " touch .Xauthority " ; chown username:username .Xauthority [05:25] <hardw1re> guzu: dpkg -i name.deb [05:25] <guzu> apokryphos, thnx a lot [05:26] <brenner> guzu: should be avoided, but you can use dpkg -i [05:26] <HappyFool> nudnick2: ok. funny kernel version (2.6.20) [05:26] <endgamer> Could I be missing a repository? Which is the main one I need on there? [05:26] <guzu> hardw1re, brenner thnx very much :) [05:26] <nudnick2> HappyFool, now you're telling me to do the other one? [05:26] <HappyFool> nudnick2: oh, 2.6.10-5-386 -- right [05:26] <HappyFool> nudnick2: install 'linux-386' [05:26] <nudnick2> i just did that :D [05:27] <nudnick2> thanks [05:27] <thoreauputic> selinium: oops, .Xauthority has 600 perms so the last one won't work methinks [05:27] <hardw1re> to update to breezy using the apt-get can i do apt-get dist-upgrade ? [05:27] <guzu> brenner, looks like it can not be avoided since i don't know other way to do it except the broken apt :) [05:27] <brenner> guzu: what app is it? [05:27] <guzu> brenner, who? [05:27] <guzu> apt? [05:27] <hardw1re> what .deb package are you installing i think he means [05:27] <guzu> who/wich [05:28] <rapha> Hey all [05:28] <brenner> yes, that's it :) [05:28] <rapha> Can Hoary be configured so that the "Open Drive Bay" button on the CD-ROM drives still works, like in Windows? [05:28] <guzu> hardw1re, doesn't matter. it's not only on apt-get, but also on apt-cache [05:28] <selinium> thoreauputic: Is it worth trying? [05:28] <endgamer> Jbailey? You still there mate? [05:28] <thoreauputic> selinium: what is causing the error? [05:29] <hardw1re> ok, to upgrade my distro to breezy do i need to add the breezy links into the source.lst and then do apt-get dist-upgrade ? [05:29] <thoreauputic> selinium: which prog reports it? [05:29] <brenner> guzu: it does matter, it could be a repo issue and you might still be able to use the easier way of apt instead of dpkg [05:29] <selinium> thoreauputic: trying to start nautilus through gksudo [05:29] <GNULinuxer> hardw1re: before that, do apt-get update [05:29] <azambuja> hi [05:29] <guzu> brenner, the whole system worked before upgrading linux-image or something ()ah! and gnupg, maybe? [05:29] <hardw1re> ah yeah [05:29] <Eryadan> hello everybody [05:29] <nudnick2> how is ubuntu pronounced? is it you-bunt-too or ew-bunt-too [05:30] <azambuja> im trying to update my system and i get this error: [05:30] <GNULinuxer> nudnick: oo-boon-too [05:30] <azambuja> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) [05:30] <azambuja> E: Unable to lock the download directory [05:30] <azambuja> how can i fix this, please? [05:30] <thoreauputic> selinium: what does ls -l .Xauthority say ? [05:30] <guzu> hardw1re, brenner could be caused by upgrading gnupg? [05:30] <guzu> should irefresh some keys somewhere? [05:30] <nophix> azambuja: use sudo [05:30] <brenner> guzu: how'd you upgrade those things? [05:30] <guzu> apt-get upgrade [05:31] <thoreauputic> azambuja: are you in the process of installing something ? [05:31] <Eryadan> hi, i'm looking for a distro change, so here are some question about ubuntu: -> am i able to install /all/ the package available for debian (or where can i find a list) -> is there any problem compiling the nvidia drivers with it on AMD_64 [05:31] <azambuja> nophix: i am using [05:31] <azambuja> thoreauputic: no [05:31] <Stiivi> how can I recompile the kernel to fit my machine? I want the same kernel as installed an I would like to do it in a clean (ubuntu) way [05:31] <guzu> ^brenn [05:31] <selinium> thoreauputic: Nothing now, we just rm'ed it [05:31] <brenner> guzu: did you have a repo in there besides main, uni and multi? [05:31] <guzu> brenner,^ [05:31] <endgamer> Cheers anyway, I'll just do a dist-upgrade and see if that does it. See you guys. [05:31] <hardw1re> http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy main universe multiverse restricted [05:31] <guzu> brenner, universe [05:31] <hardw1re> ^^ is that what i need to add? [05:31] <brenner> ....when you did the upgrade [05:31] <nophix> azambuja: well, are you using 2 apt-get at the same time? [05:32] <endgamer> q [05:32] <thoreauputic> selinium: logout/login to regenerate it then [05:32] <azambuja> nophix: no [05:32] <nophix> azambuja: nevermind [05:32] <selinium> thoreauputic: Doh. Me being stupid again! [05:32] <guzu> brenner, so no :) [05:32] <azambuja> nophix: i dont know whats happening... :-( [05:32] <brenner> guzu: well, it sounds like it may have stuffed it up somehow....i'd work on getting that fixed rather than using work arounds for installing stuff. [05:33] <thoreauputic> selinium: heheh - it isn't magic you know ;) [05:33] <nophix> azambuja: check with "ps aux|grep apt" [05:33] <guzu> brenner, so wich way should i go now? [05:34] <zxc2005> anyone know how to configure grub so I can select the relevant partitions on boot? [05:34] <brenner> guzu: i'd start with posting the full error you get when you use apt-get to a pastebin [05:34] <azambuja> nophix: nothing, via terminal it works. via synaptic not [05:34] <azambuja> im gonna restart [05:34] <azambuja> thanx [05:34] <guzu> brenner, segmentation fault [05:35] <guzu> brenner, that's all [05:35] <hardw1re> ok bbl [05:35] <Eryadan> does someone knows if i'm able to install all the package available for debian with ubuntu, and, if it isnt the case, could someone point me to available packages? [05:35] <hardw1re> cause i just issued the update command :P [05:35] <hardw1re> so im gonna close all apps :P [05:35] <brenner> guzu: and what apt-get command are you using? [05:35] <guzu> brenner, apt-get install smbfs [05:35] <brenner> Eryadan: mixing debian with ubuntu is a no-no afaik [05:36] <brenner> guzu: and it gives a segfault? weird [05:36] <apokryphos> Eryadan: available packages can be browsed and searched on packages.ubuntu.com [05:36] <booger> hi, i've got a question about dvd buring [05:37] <Eryadan> brenner: ok, thank you [05:37] <booger> can any one help me? [05:37] <AlexBO> hello!in the 5.04 version of Ubuntu there is firefox 1.02, but when i try to download an extension, it says me that my version is minor than 1.0. how can i download extensions then? [05:37] <guzu> booger, ask [05:37] <brenner> booger: ask. if anyone knows, they'll reply [05:37] <Eryadan> apokryphos: thanks a lot that was exactly what i was looking for [05:38] <thoreauputic> woah... apt segfaulting is not a good sign... [05:38] <guzu> yeah :) [05:38] <surfdue> hi [05:38] <surfdue> can [05:38] <guzu> brenner, now i'm in apt-get -f install [05:38] <surfdue> um can ubuntu do rpms? [05:38] <surfdue> i have a program that is in a rpm [05:38] <guzu> brenner, seems good so far [05:38] <surfdue> can i use it? [05:38] <brenner> Alex: that's a bit of a bug...type about:config in the url bar [05:38] <AlexBO> surfdue, use alien [05:39] <brenner> surfdue: what program? [05:39] <nophix> booger: just ask! [05:39] <nophix> :) [05:39] <thoreauputic> guzu: wild stab in the dark: sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt-get -f install [05:39] <surfdue> zipz [05:39] <surfdue> sip phone [05:39] <surfdue> what sip phone do u suggest? [05:39] <rapha> Why doesn't AutoMount work properly in Hoary? [05:39] <nudnick2> in expert install mode what does "configure apt" mean? [05:39] <booger> ok i'm making iso file out of a video_ts folder everyway that I tried it my dvd player on my stero won't play it. how do I make dvd playable [05:39] <surfdue> i want one that works with dtmf. [05:39] <AlexBO> brenner, what i have to search? [05:39] <surfdue> x-lite dosnt work with dtmf [05:39] <guzu> btw, how can i select wich services to start or not on boot time? [05:39] <booger> I've tried this mkisofs -o file.iso /location_of_folder/ [05:40] <thoreauputic> nudnick: configuring apt is usually running apt-setup [05:40] <brenner> surfdue: linphone maybe? (just apt-cache searching here) [05:40] <guzu> thoreauputic, seems to be fixed already with apt-get -f install :) thnx a lot [05:40] <brenner> Alex: vendorsub [05:40] <guzu> brenner, ^ [05:40] <nophix> booger: don't you want to use k3b or something else instead? [05:40] <thoreauputic> guzu: *whew* [05:40] <thoreauputic> guzu: pour yourself a drink ;) [05:40] <booger> I don't know I'm still a noob [05:40] <guzu> lol [05:41] <booger> will that app work? [05:41] <zxc2005> I'm trying to put a "Hidden W95 FAT32" on my grub menu...it's on "/dev/sda1"...how would I structure the writing in menu.lst [05:41] <AlexBO> brenner, general.useragent.vendorSub ? [05:41] <antrix> hi, need help configuring network on a G3 imac... [05:41] <guzu> now what about who's starting on boot time? how can i configure this? [05:41] <brenner> AlexBO: yes, i think so. [05:41] <jesper> Any font experts around? I've broken the system so "all" fonts looks grained.. [05:41] <brenner> AlexBO: change it to the firefox version you have [05:41] <nophix> booger: k3b will work [05:41] <AlexBO> brenner, i've setted 1.02 . [05:42] <thoreauputic> zxc2005: that won't work - it's probably a container for other partitions [05:42] <brenner> AlexBO: ok, try that now [05:42] <eazel7> hi ppl [05:42] <brenner> AlexBO: what was the original setting OOI? [05:42] <catfox> hi all. does anyone know of a good and up to date python/gtk tutorial? [05:42] <eazel7> is it possible to por anaconda to ubuntu? [05:42] <booger> can I get gnomebaker to do the same thing? [05:42] <AlexBO> brenner, no...i have written bad: i have got 1.06 version, and there was 1.02, so i changed it to 1.06 [05:42] <eazel7> progeny has done some work on porting to debian [05:43] <zxc2005> thoreauputic, basically it's a partition placed there for a windows recovery type thing...by the manufacturer, it used to be booted by pressing f8 but grub obviously removed this. I was hoping I could put it in my boot menu? [05:43] <nudnick2> oh my god..... i finally get linux installed on my computer and it stalls booting up. it stalls at "Starting Hotplug subsystem" anyone know why it might do that? [05:43] <brenner> AlexBO: oh, ok....let us know if it works [05:43] <AlexBO> brenner, it seems work.thanks [05:43] <brenner> :) [05:43] <Snopy_> Hey! How do i get the mp3 support to work with ubuntu? [05:43] <jldugger> nudnick2: it does take a while... [05:43] <thoreauputic> zxc2005: ah, OK I see - but I don't know if it's possible [05:43] <antrix> lspci doesn't list any network cards.. [05:43] <nophix> !mp3 [05:43] <ubotu> from memory, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support [05:44] <antrix> !mp3 [05:44] <zxc2005> thoreauputic, so there's no way I can say to grub boot /dev/sda1? [05:44] <nudnick2> jldugger. does it take this long everytime i boot up? or just the first run [05:44] <guzu> zxc2005, probably an fat16 partiotion dos like so maybe you can find help on info grub [05:44] <eazel7> Snopy_, for kde akode-mpeglib, for gnome gstreamer0.8-mad [05:44] <thoreauputic> zxc2005: as I said , I don't know [05:44] <AlexBO> brenner, oh-oh... Forecast 0.8.1.3 could not be installed because it's not compatible with the version of Firefox (only works with 1.0+) [05:44] <eazel7> Snopy_, install those through sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad [05:45] <antrix> ubotu, are there irc logs somewhere then [05:45] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, antrix [05:45] <brenner> AlexBO: damn....well, check the forum for 'firefox extension' topics. [05:45] <brenner> lol [05:45] <jldugger> nudnick, every time =( afaik. but it shouldnt be like more than 15 seconds. [05:45] <brenner> antrix: /topic [05:45] <thoreauputic> antrix: see /topic [05:45] <thoreauputic> brenner: ha - a rare win for brenner ;) [05:45] <brenner> 1st time i've seen that ubotu rejection :) [05:45] <AlexBO> brenner, okey...thanks however [05:45] <antrix> brenner, thanx :) [05:46] <nudnick2> jldugger, well its been like 4 minutes [05:46] <brenner> thoreauputic: 3 less letters :) [05:46] <thoreauputic> brenner: *grin* [05:47] <zxc2005> guzu, how do I get to "info grub" :/ [05:47] <jldugger> nudnick, try control-c [05:47] <brenner> thoreauputic: rare win? i always beat you. :D [05:47] <nudnick2> nothing... [05:47] <kuene> hi, i have just installed ubuntu on a acer travel mate 2300. it has a screen resolution of 2800x800. this is correctly written in my xorg.conf. but gnome starts with resolution of 1024x768. and i can not change it in the system preferences. why ist this like that? [05:47] <brenner> zxc2005: type it in a terminal [05:47] <brenner> !tell kuene about fixres [05:47] <brenner> thoreauputic: see.... :) [05:47] <thoreauputic> brenner: conceptually, I'm way ahead ;) [05:48] <kuene> brenner, fixres? [05:48] <guzu> zxc2005, open terminal, type info grub, press enter :) [05:48] <thoreauputic> brenner: hah - impostor! [05:48] <jldugger> nudnick, it may be, theres a bug in the hotplug system. i know they wanted to rewrite it to go faster, so they might have missed a corner condition that toasts you [05:48] <brenner> kuene: check your private messages [05:48] <eazel7> kuene, perhaps it's not written as first resolution at the xorg.conf [05:48] <nudnick2> so what do you reccomend [05:48] <brenner> thoreauputic: hehe...thought it was time for a nick change...people kept thinking i was female [05:49] <guzu> anybody knows if conf.modules is still available (valid, i mean) in ubu 5.04? [05:49] <thoreauputic> brenner: yeah, i know the feeling: people keep thinking I'm male [05:49] <brenner> not that there's anything wrong with that [05:50] <brenner> thoreauputic: so you aren't the lead singer of midnight oil? :D lol [05:50] <brenner> *former lead [05:50] <thoreauputic> brenner: no, I have hair ;) [05:50] <surfdue> is there a really easy app, i can use to merge 5 mp3s into one file [05:50] <thoreauputic> surfdue: sure - cat [05:50] <guzu> surfdue, mp3wrap on sf.net [05:50] <brenner> thoreauputic: *i* thought you were male [05:51] <surfdue> cat ? [05:51] <thoreauputic> cat file1.mp3 file2.mp3 > filebig.mp3 [05:51] <surfdue> nice [05:51] <surfdue> :) [05:51] <guzu> surfdue, and cat is even easier :) [05:51] <surfdue> thanks [05:51] <nudnick2> any reason my computer might stall loading the hotplug subsystem? [05:51] <guzu> man cat [05:51] <brenner> damn....didn't know cat could do that. :) [05:51] <HappyFool> cat'ing 3 mp3 files produces a working mp3 file? [05:51] <Bjorn2> how to install a lexmark :o? [05:51] <thoreauputic> brenner: actually I am - but promise not to give my secret away [05:51] <selinium> thoreauputic: Sorry, talking to my daughter. [05:52] <thoreauputic> HappyFool: sure [05:52] <selinium> thoreauputic: -rw------- 1 james james 120 2005-08-20 16:38 /home/james/.Xauthority [05:52] <surfdue> can cat merge any file [05:52] <surfdue> liek video [05:52] <thoreauputic> selinium: looks right [05:52] <surfdue> wav? [05:52] <Robbie___> hello [05:52] <brenner> thoreauputic: i'm confused now. :) [05:52] <Robbie___> can someone [05:52] <Robbie___> help me with rewriting my bootloader [05:52] <Robbie___> bu [05:52] <Robbie___> with lilo [05:52] <Robbie___> cuz [05:52] <HappyFool> wav files have headers; i'm pretty sure you can't just 'cat' 3 wav files together [05:52] <thoreauputic> brenner: told you I was wway ahead , didn't I ? *g* [05:53] <Robbie___> im using mandriva [05:53] <thoreauputic> HappyFool: try it [05:53] <HappyFool> i'm trying it with mp3 files right now [05:53] <selinium> thoreauputic: Will doeing a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg sort it? [05:53] <Bjorn2> whats the latest stable kernel ? [05:53] <Bjorn2> i want to update my kernell [05:53] <guzu> surfdue, note however that not all players will play such an audio/video file [05:53] <nudnick2> so is there any reason my computer might stall loading the hotplug subsystem? it took me 3 hours to figure out what drivers were messing up the install process and now that i have it installed it won't boot :( [05:53] <thoreauputic> selinium: I don't think so,no [05:53] <Bjorn2> but i can't find it 123 [05:53] <Bjorn2> :o [05:53] <surfdue> :P [05:54] <kemik> byt cat'ing mp3files there will be errors introduced [05:54] <antrix> !logoff [05:54] <ubotu> I don't know, antrix [05:54] <EasterSunshine> you can't cat mp3's together? [05:54] <thoreauputic> kemik: hmm -seems to work for me [05:54] <EasterSunshine> thoreauputic: wow! that's wicked! [05:54] <guzu> more exactly sunc errors [05:54] <vitriol> nudnick2: sounds like you need to blacklist a driver or something [05:55] <nudnick2> vitriol [05:55] <nudnick2> how? [05:55] <kemik> thoreauputic: sure it may *work*, but if the id3-tag and headers are catted they'll be interpreted as sound and probalby it wont sound correct [05:55] <QMario> !Java [05:55] <ubotu> methinks java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [05:55] <thoreauputic> EasterSunshine: I suggest you test it first ;) [05:55] <vitriol> nudnick2: there is a file in /etc/hotplug [05:55] <kuene> brenner, still does not work, my xorg.conf is set up correctly. but gnome does only 1024x768... [05:55] <antrix> I can't figure out what network card is on this imac box.... lspci doesn't list anything.. any idea how i configure it? [05:55] <vitriol> nudnick2: i *think* it is /etc/hotplug/blacklist [05:55] <guzu> sync [05:55] <guzu> thoreauputic, there are players able to get over these sync errors, others can not [05:55] <EasterSunshine> for file in ls; do cat ls; done > everything.mp3 [05:56] <thoreauputic> kemik: *shrug* You're probably right - I know little about it [05:56] <vitriol> nudnick2: what you need to do is figure out what module is messing up your system [05:56] <vitriol> nudnick2: then add it to the blacklist file [05:56] <nudnick2> vitriol, where do i enter that? [05:56] <keyes> hello, i'm looking for a solution to active MP3 encoding profile for all the system, not for only one user [05:56] <vitriol> nudnick2: to get to the blacklist file you need to boot up using the recovery mode kernel [05:56] <keyes> any idea ? [05:56] <EasterSunshine> do cat "$file" * [05:56] <QMario> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package firefox [05:56] <QMario> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox-gnome-support_1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/libmozgnome.so', which is also in package firefox-gnome-support [05:56] <vitriol> nudnick2: do you know how to do that? [05:57] <brenner> kuene: it's usually one of two problems: [1] res isn't listed [2] monitor rates aren't correct. [05:57] <Bjorn2> Is there a howto installing Audigy 2 ZS cards ? [05:57] <Bjorn2> Is there a howto installing Audigy 2 ZS cards ? [05:57] <Bjorn2> :o [05:57] <nudnick2> vitriol, i think it stalls during recovery mode too [05:57] <Stiivi> see you later [05:57] <brenner> kuene: post your xorg.conf to a pastebin please [05:57] <vitriol> nudnick2: you tried that? [05:57] <QMario> Thoreauputic, that was my problem. [05:57] <vitriol> nudnick2: in that case ....there is another way but it's more advanced [05:57] <QMario> Do you know the solution to it? [05:57] <brenner> Stiivi: later [05:57] <vitriol> nudnick2: you can use the ubuntu livecd to boot from [05:57] <vitriol> nudnick2: and mount your filesystem from the livecd [05:58] <thoreauputic> QMario: not at this hour - I'm probably half asleep [05:58] <guzu> how can i find out wich version of alsa is installed? [05:58] <vitriol> nudnick2: then, you can edit /etc/hotplug/blacklist and add the module that is causing you grief [05:58] <Snopy_> eazel7, Do I need to reboot after the install to get the programs to handle mp3? [05:58] <kemik> cat thoreauputic > /dev/null [05:58] <nudnick2> well i boot up during recovery but there is nowhere to enter what you said before it gets to the hotplug part? [05:58] <kemik> :> [05:58] <Bjorn2> Is there a howto installing Audigy 2 ZS cards ? [05:58] <brenner> Snopy_: no [05:59] <vitriol> nudnick2: so it won't fully boot in recovery mode? or it will? [05:59] <jeff_hann> Bjorn2:have ya tried google? [05:59] <Bjorn2> not yet, ;) [05:59] <QMario> Bob2, are you awake? [05:59] <nophix> guzu: dpkg -l|grep alsa [05:59] <nudnick2> nope [05:59] <Bjorn2> its easier to ask [05:59] <eazel7> Snopy_, IIIRC no, but perhaps running gst-register would be needed [05:59] <Bjorn2> :> [05:59] <nudnick2> it wont [06:00] <QMario> !Firefox [06:00] <ubotu> QMario: Did you get hit by a windmill? [06:00] <selinium> thoreauputic: can you think of anything else i can try? on Xauth [06:00] <QMario> !browser [06:00] <ubotu> QMario: Did you get hit by a windmill? [06:00] <brenner> Bjorn2: afaik, no [06:00] <thoreauputic> kemik: cat kemik > /dev/meatgrinder [06:00] <jeff_hann> so RTFM and if you DON'T find satisfactory results,come back [06:00] <QMario> !Internet [06:00] <ubotu> QMario: Wish i knew [06:00] <QMario> !Botsnack [06:00] <ubotu> :) [06:00] <thoreauputic> kemik: ;-) [06:00] <vitriol> nudnick2: then your best bet is mounting the partition from a ubuntu livecd and editing it from there (this can be fairly complicated if you've never done it before) [06:00] <kemik> thoreauputic: damn you got some wicked machines connected to your comp ;) [06:00] <nudnick2> wanna walk me through :) [06:00] <vitriol> nudnick2: sure i'll be here [06:00] <thoreauputic> kemik: built it myself ;) [06:00] <brenner> Bjorn2: if you're having sound probs and you've searched the wiki and forum with no luck, get a hold of crimsun when he's active in here...he's #ubuntu's sound guru. [06:00] <guzu> nophix, thnx! [06:01] <umberleigh> how do i set the sound card that the system uses? it seems to be setup to use my webcam-with-mike, but i need to set it to use my actual soundcard. the card is setup as far as i can see, as alsamixer -c 1 uses the card [06:01] <vitriol> nudnick2: first thing, though, do you know what module causes it to freeze? [06:01] <Snopy_> eazel7, Thanx dude. Now i just miss the divx support [06:01] <nudnick2> i'm about to leave will you be on later tonite? [06:01] <umberleigh> so, where's the config file where i set which card to use? [06:01] <nudnick2> unless it dosen't take that long [06:01] <guzu> Bjorn2, alsa 1.0.8 should have drivers for it although maybe some things are missing like recording, check it anyway :) [06:01] <thoreauputic> ------> sleep [06:01] <eazel7> Snopy_, it's there going around, look for gstreamer0.8-plugins and install it all [06:01] <thoreauputic> good night all [06:01] <vitriol> nudnick2: can't guarantee that, but somebody else here will help you, surely :) [06:01] <HappyFool> chrs thoreauputic [06:01] <QMario> Good Night. [06:01] <Bjorn2> oke guzu [06:01] <vitriol> nudnick2: it takes about 15 minutes probably [06:01] <brenner> Snopy_:for divx, install w32codecs [06:01] <nudnick2> how long will it take if we did it now [06:01] <nudnick2> oh [06:01] <nudnick2> we got time then [06:01] <nudnick2> nm [06:01] <guzu> thoreauputic, 'dnight and thank you :) [06:01] <nudnick2> let me go grab my live cd [06:01] <vitriol> nudnick2: you have a livecd? [06:02] <vitriol> ok [06:02] <vitriol> nudnick2: what module causes it to freeze? [06:02] <nudnick2> hotplug subsystems [06:02] <vitriol> hmm [06:02] <guzu> Bjorn2, if you make it record by mic, let me know, btw :) [06:02] <vitriol> that's all it says? [06:03] <brenner> umberleigh: 'apps > sound > vol. control > file > change device' maybe? [06:03] <_martin> Is there a save method for upgrading to colony 3 without using the iso? [06:03] <kuene> brettcar, my xorg.conf: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1440 [06:03] <Bjorn2> guzu, i will [06:03] <nudnick2> vitriol, one second i'm getting on windows to see how much battery power is left on the system i'm installing ubuntu on [06:03] <Bjorn2> but i just started today [06:03] <kuene> sorry i mean: brenner , my xorg.conf: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1440 [06:03] <Bjorn2> >_> [06:03] <vitriol> !hotplug [06:03] <ubotu> vitriol: I don't know, could you explain it? [06:03] <keyes> anyone know how to activate sound-juicer mp3 encoding for all users (system-wide) [06:03] <selinium> Snopy_ http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for w32codecs [06:04] <vitriol> nudnick2: the problem with completely disabling hotplug is that your mouse, keyboard and a number of other devices may not work without it [06:05] <nudnick2> .. [06:05] <matsur> HillTop, after installing a 32 bit chroot on my amd64 ubuntu all the interface fonts are really fuzzy. any ideas? [06:05] <nudnick2> so is it possible that i can't use ubuntu on this system? [06:05] <vitriol> if it's something within hotplug, such as snd_intel8x0m or wdt_pci causing the freeze [06:05] <vitriol> then you can comment those out [06:05] <vitriol> nudnick2: yes it's possible [06:05] <epod69> hey, anyone know a beginners guide link to setting up sound in ubuntu? [06:05] <brenner> kuene: what res did you want? [06:06] <selinium> anybody around who nows about Xauthority files? I keep getting Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file erors [06:06] <brenner> kuene: nvm, stupid question [06:06] <brenner> kuene: sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange [06:06] <selinium> errors* [06:06] <vitriol> nudnick2: if it froze on hotplug and didn't say anything, chances are it was just one module causing the problem [06:06] <umberleigh> brenner: i'm using KDE, hence KMix. i can set the mixer to 'NVidia nForce2', but i still don't get any sound and it resets back to the camera when i reboot anyway [06:06] <kuene> brenner, i want 1200x800 [06:07] <brenner> kuene: sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange [06:07] <guzu> anybody knows wich module should be loaded for an gravis ultrasound isa card? or maybe sound blaster16? [06:08] <brenner> umberleigh: yeah, sorry, i'm not really a sound guru......you might want to get a hold of crimsun when he's active in here. i don't know really [06:08] <jc-denton> i cannot find description anywhere about Breezy Badger [06:08] <matsur> any ideas on the fuzzy fonts after a chroot install? [06:08] <brenner> umberleigh: have you checked the forums for any threads? [06:09] <brenner> !breezy [06:09] <ubotu> [breezy] the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/ [06:09] <jc-denton> brenner: thank you [06:09] <umberleigh> i've read the stuff ubotu gave me, but i'll do a search now for other stuff :-$ [06:10] <guzu> !'isa sound card' [06:10] <ubotu> guzu: I don't know, could you explain it? [06:10] <jc-denton> humm [06:10] <guzu> !isa sound card [06:10] <ubotu> guzu: I don't know, could you explain it? [06:10] <jc-denton> i need technical details [06:11] <jc-denton> on the ubuntu site i couldn't find anything [06:11] <guzu> ubotu, no :( [06:11] <ubotu> guzu: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [06:11] <jc-denton> what about selinux, x.org, gnome? [06:11] <paganini> Howdy [06:12] <antrix> how do i reinvoke the 'network configure' step from installation... after install [06:12] <paganini> I really like Ubuntu. [06:12] <robertj> heya all. There is a non-free licence that allows comments in code of a piece of software that the code interoperates with to invalidate portions of that licence [06:12] <paganini> And this friend of mine knows this, and wants to try it, but he's having a little trouble installing. [06:12] <paganini> So, I'm trying to give him a hand, but he's having a strange problem. [06:12] <robertj> theoretically, can you take the code that is being interoperated with and add disclaimers to slice out portions of the licence of question? [06:12] <matsur> http://www.columbia.edu/rxl2101/Screenshot.png that's what it looks like. See the fuzziness I'm talking about? [06:13] <skora> and what is it paganini [06:13] <brenner> jc-denton: heh, it is a little lacking... [06:13] <paganini> He's trying to install on a Compaq SR1010NX notebook. It boots off the CD OK, but when it starts loading the kernel, he gets two lines (initrd I think) and it resets. [06:13] <jc-denton> brenner: lacking? [06:14] <matsur> Sorry, http://www.columbia.edu/~rxl2101/Screenshot.png [06:14] <paganini> I found a couple of links that seem related, but they're for Fedora [06:14] <paganini> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/18/2005/02/1/229524 [06:14] <paganini> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=121819 [06:14] <guzu> jc-denton, file not found [06:14] <paganini> So, I was wondering if anyone has ever encountered this with ubuntu before, and what I should do about it. [06:15] <martin-> topyli: all works great now, thx! [06:15] <jc-denton> file not found? [06:16] <Zotnix> While I know dangerous and not very supported, how do I force install a package via dpkg and make apt-get shut up about it completely? [06:17] <chriszanf> got a couple of issues: no sound & getting 500 server error with apache2 [06:18] <guzu> anyody knows if alsaconf is available in ubuntu? [06:18] <kurumin> como ver o hda pelo ubuntu live cd [06:18] <paganini> alsaconf is abailable in ubuntu. [06:18] <paganini> *available [06:18] <paganini> It doesn't work too well with my AC97 onboard though. :) [06:18] <guzu> paganini, great! where? [06:18] <nophix> guzu: alsa-utils [06:19] <guzu> nophix, i suppose so, but it's not in path :( and i have no idea how to query a package for a file :( [06:19] <brenner> kuene: still there? [06:20] <paganini> guzu, can you use Synaptic Package manager? [06:20] <guzu> paganini, yes [06:20] <guzu> why? [06:20] <brenner> guzu: packages.ubuntu.com works well for me [06:21] <guzu> brenner, thnx, -i'll check it out [06:21] <Node> hey [06:21] <paganini> Open it up, select "sections" in the lower left, and select "all" in the upper left. Then just type "alsa-utils" and it'll jump right to it. [06:21] <paganini> Assuming you have the right repositories installed. [06:21] <Node> does anybody here have the ULI SATA drivers so I can setup ubuntu on on my A64 ? [06:21] <Node> (or no of a way to get it working) [06:22] <kurumin> como ver o hda pelo ubuntu live cd [06:22] <topyli> martin-: great! [06:22] <kuene> brenner, does not work still. i think i will switch back do debian and xfree86 [06:22] <brenner> kuene: did you run the command i gave you? [06:23] <guzu> paganini, alsa-utils is installed, alsaconf can't be located [06:23] <guzu> brenner, You have searched for alsaconf in hoary, architecture i386. [06:23] <guzu> Can't find that file, at least not in that distribution and on that architecture. [06:23] <kuene> yes [06:23] <brenner> kuene: what was the output? [06:24] <brenner> guzu: dpkg -L alsa-utils | grep alsaconf ? [06:24] <Adolf> hi just a question here, are there boot diskettes to boot from diskette and load a cdrom driver to install from there? [06:24] <kuene> brenner, but i think you mean mode not monitorrange? [06:24] <umberleigh> paganini: i can't find alsaconf in alsautils, i'm using hoary with the default repositories, plus universe and restricted [06:24] <skora> node - did you try the AMD site ? [06:24] <brenner> kuene: no, use the exact command [06:24] <ninjafish> hi, if flash-nonfree not in multiverse any more because I cannot find the package [06:24] <oonoon> where can i find info about the runlevels of ubuntu ? [06:24] <kuene> there is no output then... [06:24] <guzu> brenner, :( nothing [06:25] <brenner> kuene: ok, we can't autodetect...what's your monitor model? [06:25] <skora> Node, youcan be a bit more descriptive about your problems, that would help :] [06:25] <Adolf> what about boot diskettes [06:25] <guzu> brenner, paganini still apt-cache search says alsaconf is in alsa-utils [06:25] <Node> No linux distro i have tried today has been able to detect my hdd. [06:25] <kuene> 15.4" WXGA TFT LCD mit 1280 x 800 Pixel resolution with Intel? Extreme Graphics 2 Technologie [06:25] <Node> which is an SATA drive, with a ULi M1573 controller [06:26] <chriszanf> how do I change apache2 "fully qualified domain name" or what IP address it listens on? [06:26] <guzu> brenner, are you on breezy? [06:26] <QMario> Node, where can I get JCreator? [06:26] <brenner> guzu: no, hoary [06:26] <Adolf> Node is your hdd correct set up [06:26] <brenner> kuene: ah, so, laptop? [06:26] <Node> adolf - yes, it works fine in windows [06:26] <kuene> brenner, acrer travel mate. [06:26] <guzu> brenner, somebody above says it's on breezy but i dont remeber who, i was curious if there is alsaconf [06:27] <othernoob> hi, does anyone know of a program to convert .ape to .mp3? [06:27] <Node> but i had to load extra drivers during the windows setup from a floppy [06:27] <chriszanf> how do I change apache2 "fully qualified domain name" or what IP address it listens on? [06:27] <paganini> Hmm. [06:27] <paganini> I'm running Hoary. [06:27] <oonoon> how to boot on console (no X), which runlevel ? [06:27] <Node> QMario - not an illegal version, no. [06:27] <paganini> And I remember using alsa-conf. [06:27] <paganini> But, now I don't seem to have it installed. [06:27] <Adolf> Node i dont have probs with sata under Suse [06:27] <ninjafish> Can someone who uses mulitverse do me a favour and see if their synaptic can find flash-nonfree as it is mentioned in the wiki but I cannot find it [06:27] <Node> i just tried installing 9.3 (i386 version though) and it couldnt detect the,m [06:27] <paganini> Looks like the new software conflicts with the old alsa-conf [06:28] <Adolf> even knoppix 3.9 has no probs with sata on my systems [06:28] <adwait> hello all [06:28] <Node> ive read a few people having problems with linux and this controller (and this computer SHuttle ST20G5) [06:28] <brenner> guzu: yeah, it might not be in the hoary repos [06:28] <brenner> i.e. need to install alsa manually or something [06:28] <Adolf> i hope you find out what is wrong [06:29] <kuene> brenner, i do not know what else to do... intel makes very good drivers for the grafic chip so... [06:29] <EasterSunshine> two problems: first off, man is formatting the documents with more, instead of how it used to be before where i can use up and down arrows, and secondly, how do i save a buffer in vi? [06:29] <chriszanf> how do I change apache2 "fully qualified domain name" or what IP address it listens on? [06:29] <Node> me too, or I doubt i'll ever be using linux :) [06:29] <andy_> ninjafish, is multiverse activated? [06:29] <brenner> ninjafish: flashplugin-nonfree [06:29] <guzu> brenner, k thnx a lot, i'll see what i have to do [06:29] <brenner> kuene: try changing your rates [06:29] <brenner> to these generic ones: [06:29] <brenner> HorizSync 30-96 [06:29] <brenner> VertRefresh 50-160 [06:30] <darkheart> EasterSunshine When you say 'buffer', you just mean save the file you are working on? [06:30] <brenner> kuene: i assume you know how to back up your xorg.conf file so you can copy the old one over later if needed [06:30] <Adolf> i like to install ubuntu on an ancient system, damnsmalllinux runs fine on it but i need boot diskettes, anyone??? [06:30] <andy_> brenner, isn't it 30-95 [06:30] <EasterSunshine> chriszanf: use the directive Listen to change the listening ports eg "Listen 80" [06:30] <kuene> bratsche, ;) [06:30] <brenner> andy_: got it off here:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto [06:30] <EasterSunshine> darkheart: yes, i have had vi dump the buffer before... [06:30] <QMario> !JCreator [06:30] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, QMario [06:30] <QMario> !Java [06:30] <ubotu> hmm... java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [06:30] <andy_> there's a sticker on my monitor with 30-95 and 50-160 [06:31] <ciberamaru> I dont't speak English [06:31] <brenner> kuene: basically, i think your rates are wrong. [06:31] <darkheart> EasterSunshine If you want to save what you are working on, in command mode ':w' will save it. Or ':w <filename>' if you want to call it something else. [06:31] <Node> QMario: bit torrent [06:31] <QMario> !Botsnack [06:31] <ubotu> :) [06:31] <brenner> kuene: having your debian xfree file might be handy actually [06:31] <ciberamaru> do someone speak Spanish? [06:31] <QMario> Node, isn't it "free" though? [06:31] <brenner> !es [06:31] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. [06:31] <andy_> da gaat [06:31] <ciberamaru> Thank you! [06:32] <adwait> ciberamaru: #ubuntu-es [06:32] <Node> dunno, presumed it was an ide you have to pay for, if its free, check www.jcreator.com [06:32] <EasterSunshine> chriszanf: oh sry ip adress...you need to use the VirtualHost directive eg <VirtualHost www.wee.org> ... </VirtualHost> [06:32] <EasterSunshine> darkheart: thx [06:32] <ninjafish> I am using http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ with multiverse restricted main and universe I searched for flah and all I get is libflash [06:32] <ninjafish> s/flah/flash [06:32] <Adolf> bye cu and keep up the good work [06:32] <chriszanf> EasterSunshine: in the .conf? [06:32] <brenner> ninjafish: flashplugin-nonfree [06:32] <darkheart> EasterSunshine Btw, you can also save w/ 'shift+z+z' in command mode =) That will save and quit. [06:33] <EasterSunshine> chriszanf: yes [06:33] <brenner> ninjafish: it's in multiverse [06:33] <adwait> can someone tell me, how stable is the current release of breezey? [06:33] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell me about pastebin [06:34] <adwait> !pastebin [06:34] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl [06:34] <brenner> adwait: well, the warning's gone from the topic, but i personally still wouldn't use it [06:34] <brenner> i leave the risk to you [06:34] <andy_> !mplayer [06:34] <ubotu> andy_: What? [06:34] <andy_> !mplayer-plugin [06:34] <ubotu> I don't know, andy_ [06:34] <adwait> brenner: hmm.....i don't wanna wait till october...... [06:34] <andy_> !w32codecs [06:35] <andy_> !wmv [06:35] <ubotu> andy_: I give up, what is it? [06:35] <adwait> !info mplayer-hoary [06:35] <EasterSunshine> chriszanf: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1441 <--there is my apache2.conf, in the <VirtualHost ...> you can use hostnames instead of ip addresses like i did [06:35] <andy_> !play wmv files in firefox [06:35] <ubotu> andy_: Did you get hit by a windmill? [06:35] <andy_> long time ago yes [06:36] <adwait> lol [06:36] <andy_> !play .wmv [06:36] <ubotu> andy_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [06:36] <brenner> andy_: you're bordering on flooding....use /msg [06:36] <adwait> andy_: did u try the media connector plugin for firefox? [06:37] <andy_> guess not, let's check out, thx [06:37] <paganini> OK, so, it turns out that my friend's computer is *not* a notebook, but a desktop. [06:37] <jamie_k> anyone help me configure my sound. which has recently given up the ghost? [06:37] <paganini> (This is what happens when you try to do tech-support of IRC) [06:38] <adwait> hehe [06:38] <adwait> jamie_k: what did u do b4 it stopped working? [06:38] <paganini> of = over [06:39] <jamie_k> adwait, i was trying to fix the problem with esd not playing sounds accross multiple apps, and installed polypaudio [06:39] <kuene> brenner, still does not work but now i can choose in gnome prefernces between 3 resolutions: 1027x768 800x600 640x480 but no 1200x800... what other sync rates are reasonable? [06:40] <adwait> jamie_k: well, if u haven't got the multiple sounds working with this, u could try uninstalling it [06:40] <jamie_k> adwait, i did [06:40] <adwait> also, for multiple sounds, try the ubuntu forums method [06:40] <brenner> kuene: widescreen complicates things [06:40] <Bjorn2> who asked me if i got my microphone working under audigy 2 ? [06:40] <adwait> !multiple sounds [06:40] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, adwait [06:40] <adwait> !multiple_sounds [06:40] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, adwait [06:40] <jamie_k> adwait, it's now completely silent -- i also follwed ths : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8882 [06:40] <kuene> brenner, oh... [06:40] <brenner> kuene: it's not that bad! [06:41] <Bjorn2> who asked me if i got my microphone working under audigy 2 ? [06:41] <brenner> kuene: but basically, you'll need to either find your rates for your computer model by googling [06:41] <brenner> multiple sounds: [06:41] <brenner> !sound [06:41] <ubotu> sound is, like, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/ [06:42] <kuene> brenner, no i dont think so. i will have do some research. i thank you very very much for your help. you sure showed me the right way! [06:42] <jamie_k> ubotu, i'll follow the second link thx [06:42] <ubotu> jamie_k: What? [06:42] <brenner> kuene: hopefully, you'll give ubuntu a longer go before you decide to go back to debian [06:42] <adwait> jamie_k: ubotu = a bot [06:42] <selinium> Anybody know how to sort out xauth problems? [06:42] <Node_> lmao! [06:43] <volatile_> hey, how do I get rid of an RPM package converted to DEB from my ubuntu system? [06:43] <kuene> brenner, its for my father :) [06:43] <adwait> volatile_: i guess dpkg -r should work [06:43] <brenner> kuene: tip: google with 'HorizSync' as a keyword [06:43] <volatile_> I converted the RPM using alien, then installed the DEB, but it didn't install right [06:43] <volatile_> ok [06:43] <volatile_> thx [06:43] <volatile_> let me try :D [06:43] <volatile_> do I have to type in the package name? [06:43] <brenner> kuene: oh, well hope he sticks longer with it :) [06:43] <jamie_k> adwait, heheh it sounded like a human [06:44] <adwait> jamie_k: hehe......... [06:44] <brenner> volatile_: locally installed deb files show up in synaptic [06:44] <adwait> volatile_: yes [06:44] <volatile_> ok [06:44] <volatile_> it's a custom progrma install though [06:44] <volatile_> will it still show up in synaptic? [06:45] <selinium> volitile_ Yes it should [06:45] <brenner> volatile_: if you used dpkg -i, yes [06:45] <volatile_> cool, I'm using dpkg [06:45] <volatile_> it's working [06:45] <volatile_> thx [06:45] <brenner> volatile_: should be in the sections list [06:45] <ninjafish> I have pasted an attempt to get flashplugin-nonfree and an apt-get update http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1443 showing a list of repositorys [06:45] <selinium> any bluetooth wizards about? [06:46] <volatile_> I uninstalled it [06:46] <f_newton> has planetmirror.com been discontinued? [06:46] <volatile_> let me explain [06:47] <BETA7> umm [06:47] <BETA7> quite alot of ppl here [06:47] <brenner> ninjafish: you don't have multiverse enabled. [06:47] <brenner> ninjafish: i think you're getting confused...the mirrormax line is backports [06:47] <Veon> Anyone know if there is any program for Ubuntu which can connect with Ipod? [06:47] <selinium> ninjafish: WHere are you from? I'll send you a repo list. you need mutliverse enabled [06:47] <brenner> ninjafish: just use the repo list found here: [06:47] <brenner> !repos [06:47] <ubotu> hmm... repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [06:48] <ninjafish> I am from uk [06:48] <volatile_> I installed linux through VMware, then I installed the VMware Tools into ubuntu, but I used the RPM, I converted it to DEB then used the dpkg to install the DEB, it didn't work, so now I uninstalled the .DEB and tried to install from the binary but it says that "a previous installation of VMware has been detected" even though I removed it... Any ideas? [06:48] <ninjafish> Thanks I will update my lists [06:48] <brenner> Veon: gtkpod [06:49] <Veon> brenner, Thanx. [06:49] <f_newton> is there another extras site beside planetmirror? [06:49] <HappyFool> !hoary-extras [06:49] <ubotu> well, hoary-extras is see http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [06:49] <brenner> volatile_: you might have traces of your deb file install left [06:50] <HappyFool> volatile_: try dpkg --purge <whatever> [06:50] <volatile_> ok [06:50] <eruin> anyone know where to get this metacity theme? http://www.stellingwerff.com/?p=5 [06:50] <volatile_> let me tryu [06:50] <eruin> sorry, url is http://www.stellingwerff.com/TheWidgetFactory/The%20Widget%20Factory.png [06:50] <volatile_> purging now [06:50] <brenner> purge is such a cool word :) [06:50] <f_newton> !backports [06:50] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section [06:50] <Seveas> eruin, impossible [06:51] <eruin> Seveas: why is that? [06:51] <Seveas> that's still in heavy development as you can read in that blog post [06:51] <maximaus> [very nervous] Hey all, I ran Hoary-Live all last night (mounted Warty to use Flash and Realplayer), today Warty won't run and my /home partition is invisible to explore2fs (using XP) [/very nervous] Run a live Linux CD and do a "fsck"? [06:51] <eruin> Seveas: the metacity theme, not the gtk theme ;) [06:51] <f_newton> Seveas, is planetmirror.com down temporarily or is it a permanent thing? [06:52] <Seveas> eruin, ah, ok [06:52] <Seveas> dunno, ask richard himself :) [06:52] <volatile_> what's the command to delete a directory? [06:52] <volatile_> in bash? [06:52] <brenner> maximaus: wow livecd shouldn't have done that [06:52] <HappyFool> rm -rf [06:52] <brenner> volatile_: rm -rf <dir> [06:52] <brenner> volatile_: be careful though :) [06:52] <volatile_> ok [06:52] <volatile_> thx [06:52] <surfdue> in gnome, how do i cahnge my dtk theme [06:52] <surfdue> gtk* [06:52] <guzu> a-ha! there's a package called discover :) [06:53] <maximaus> I don't know if it's the live CD or a borked HDD, but both partitions are borked. [06:53] <f_newton> volatile either locate or whereis the files first to learn where they all installed to [06:53] <f_newton> which could do the job too [06:53] <f_newton> rm -rf is a very powerful and permanent solution [06:53] <paganini> ROFL! [06:53] <selinium> Seveas: I am having problems with Xauthority. Can you help? [06:53] <brenner> surfdue: gnome-theme-manager? [06:54] <Bjorn2> heh [06:54] <Bjorn2> I can't eject my cd anymore [06:54] <Bjorn2> when i type eject in terminal [06:54] <Bjorn2> it does nothing [06:54] <topyli> volatile_: you can remove an empty dir with rmdir. if it's not empty, you need rm -rf as noted [06:54] <f_newton> what is the output Bjorn2 ? [06:54] <Bjorn2> ject: unable to eject, last error: Onjuist argument [06:54] <Seveas> selinium, just remove the ~/.Xauthority file :) [06:54] <guzu> Bjorn2, umount -l [06:54] <Bjorn2> Its dutch :x [06:54] <eruin> anyone know which package provides fglrxinfo ? [06:54] <chmuri> hi [06:55] <guzu> Bjorn2, only if you loose your hope to find out who's locking the cd drive :) [06:55] <surfdue> does ubuntu come with a text to speach program [06:55] <brenner> ubotu: tell eruin about ati [06:55] <apokryphos> eruin: xorg-driver-fglrx [06:55] <selinium> Seveas: Done that. But i stil get error Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file. [06:55] <chmuri> whos from poland i need help..:) [06:55] <Arnia> surfdue: Festival [06:55] <f_newton> Bjorn2, if all else faile reboot the box and eject it that way ...or get a paper clip and find the little hole [06:55] <RiXtEr> hey all... just got my ubuntu system installed... i need a root password though... any ideas? [06:55] <paganini> So, apparently the kernel has a problem with Compaq Presario SR1010NX desktops (they use MSI motherboards of some sort). It doesn't get past loading init.rd before it resets. Apparently, some Asus motherboards also have this same problem. [06:55] <Bjorn2> reboot the whole system [06:55] <selinium> Seveas: after i have logged back in again [06:56] <Bjorn2> or just X ? [06:56] <f_newton> Seveas, was that ask richard comment concerning planetmirror? [06:56] <metis> can someone help me figure out my postfix? trying to make it work for my creloaded website [06:56] <paganini> With Fedora, there's a patched kernel you can download to boot off of, then switch to the regular install media. [06:56] <HappyFool> Bjorn2: try to find out what's using the cdrom using 'lsof' or 'fuser' (e.g., lsof /dev/cdrom) [06:56] <surfdue> how do i start this festival [06:56] <surfdue> or getit [06:56] <Bjorn2> nautilus is [06:56] <paganini> My question is: is there anything like this for ubuntu? And, how likely is it that the fedora patched boot kernel would be able to install Ubuntu? [06:57] <volatile_> I have a tather simple question but I can't figure it out, how do you determine the disk space left on your HD? [06:57] <Bjorn2> but i don't see it on my screen? [06:57] <f_newton> paganini, uh compaq either uses gigabyte or aopen boards [06:57] <HappyFool> Bjorn2: hmm. no minimized windows? [06:57] <surfdue> nvm [06:57] <Bjorn2> nope [06:57] <dgottfried> volatile_: df -ahl [06:57] <HappyFool> Bjorn2: well, you can either try to track it down, or just logout and login and try again [06:57] <Seveas> f_newton, no that was to eruin [06:57] <paganini> f_newton, check this thread: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/18/2005/02/1/229524 [06:57] <volatile_> lol, ok :D [06:57] <Seveas> I know nothing about planetmirror [06:57] <f_newton> ok thanks.... [06:58] <guzu> Bjorn2, for root password, i've booted in safe mode (or whatever name has the second entry on the grub menu wich in fact is runlevel1), then: passwd and entered the root password i want [06:58] <chmuri> what is the asembler and turbo pascal for linux programs?? [06:58] <Seveas> chmuri, fpc [06:58] <HappyFool> Bjorn2: i guess 'pkill nautilus' might work too; not sure what that will break [06:58] <Seveas> (for pascal) [06:58] <topyli> guzu: you might as well do "sudo passwd root" :) [06:59] <HappyFool> assembler is nasm, or gas (i think) [06:59] <f_newton> paganini, while I cannot put it past them and it is possible ive missed a run or two.. ive never known compaq to use msi boards... I guess I live and learn eh? you did id it with the fccid# right? [06:59] <Bjorn2> hmm [06:59] <Bjorn2> i killed nautilus [06:59] <Bjorn2> it was hidden somewhere Oo [06:59] <Seveas> HappyFool, gas indeed [07:00] <eruin> hmm, are packages supposed to put stuff in /usr/X11R6 ? [07:00] <ninjafish> hmm taking of root, my root terminal does not ask for a password any more, how do I unroot myself? [07:00] <surfdue> does festival have a gue? [07:00] <surfdue> gui [07:00] <eruin> I mean, wasn't that changed to /usr/X11 or similar? [07:00] <Seveas> eruin, on hoary: yes, on breezy: possibly, but not in breezy final [07:00] <f_newton> Seveas, I cannot seem to get planetmirror.com (backport extras) to load in browser or using apt-get and I was wondering if anyone knew if it was down... I need java [07:00] <HappyFool> !hoary-extras [07:00] <ubotu> somebody said hoary-extras was see http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [07:00] <Seveas> !hoary-extras [07:00] <Seveas> hey! [07:00] <HappyFool> :P [07:01] <bratsche> surfdue: I don't think so. [07:01] <paganini> f_newton, nah, I don't have physical access to the machine. It's in kansas city. I'm basing my assement on my trust in the competence of others. [07:01] <surfdue> is there a text to speach app with a gui? [07:01] <paganini> So, I could be totally wrong. :) [07:01] <Seveas> f_newton, grab another mirror from that page [07:01] <f_newton> ok Seveas will try... [07:01] <Seveas> f_newton, or use 'deb http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ /' while it's up [07:02] <f_newton> paganini you can go to compaq site with model number and possibly the data sheet will help you... I have to run.'..thanks for the help y'all [07:02] <HappyFool> oh, the assembler is called 'as' -- was wondering where it was [07:02] <surfdue> is there a text to speach app with a gui?? [07:02] <paganini> Cool [07:03] <chmuri> fpc in google i find?? [07:03] <topyli> surfdue: i think the target audience of text-to-speech doen't care much about guis :) [07:03] <HappyFool> chmuri: there's a 'gpc' in the ubuntu repositories (gnu pascal compiler) [07:03] <srid> why not this official? http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A//nginyang.uvt.nl/&ei=aWIHQ8exH6b4-AG79tG_Dg&sig2=fUXc1AhnZRytsfEgS0ttVQ [07:04] <srid> sorry, nginyang.uvt.nl/ [07:04] <apokryphos> srid: what is it? [07:05] <HappyFool> ubuntu dvd image [07:05] <apokryphos> and how is it not official? [07:05] <apokryphos> you can download all of it from releases.ubuntu.com [07:05] <HappyFool> it's not hosted on ubuntu.com (so i presume) [07:05] <apokryphos> it is [07:05] <HappyFool> well, the dvd bittorrent thing went missing for a while [07:06] <Bjorn2> :( [07:06] <HappyFool> and there wasn't an http link before -- is there one now? [07:06] <Bjorn2> I tried to compile xchat 2.4.4 for my system [07:06] <surfdue> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH [07:06] <surfdue> See `config.log' for more details. [07:06] <srid> will shipit.ubuntulinux.org ship DVDs? [07:06] <surfdue> how do i fix this [07:06] <Bjorn2> But when i start it it says 2.4.1 ? [07:06] <HappyFool> surfdue: import 'build-essential' [07:06] <srid> Bjorn2: try /usr/local/bin/xchat [07:06] <apokryphos> srid: I don't think so, no. But the Install CD is thought to become live+install [07:06] <apokryphos> not sure about the development in htat, but it was a thought flying around some time ago [07:07] <chmuri> when the new ubuntu version its steable relase [07:07] <chmuri> ?? [07:07] <HappyFool> chmuri: october [07:07] <apokryphos> October [07:07] <apokryphos> !breezyrelease [07:07] <ubotu> apokryphos: I haven't a clue [07:07] <raven3x7> surfdue, and maybe also apt-get build-dep xchat [07:07] <apokryphos> !breezyschedule [07:07] <ubotu> hmm... breezyschedule is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule [07:07] <srid> !breezy-release [07:07] <ubotu> srid: What? [07:07] <surfdue> why raven. [07:07] <sander__> Could anyone help I get the error 'Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock' even when I sudo. [07:07] <srid> ubotu: you suck! [07:07] <ubotu> srid: I give up, what is it? [07:07] <surfdue> build-dep xchat [07:07] <surfdue> what will that do. [07:07] <surfdue> im using xchat? [07:08] <raven3x7> surfdue, well if you lack more dependencies that will probably get them [07:08] <raven3x7> sander__, do try to use apt and synaptic at the same time? [07:08] <surfdue> checking correct functioning of Qt installation... failure [07:08] <surfdue> configure: error: Failed to find matching components of a complete [07:08] <surfdue> Qt installation. Try using more options, [07:08] <surfdue> see ./configure --help. [07:09] <surfdue> how doi fix this [07:09] <phantom_> hi people [07:09] <Bjorn2> srid, [07:09] <HappyFool> surfdue: you need to install the qt development libraries [07:09] <Bjorn2> didn't work [07:09] <Bjorn2> =/ [07:09] <phantom_> I'm new. Just installed Ubuntu [07:09] <HappyFool> surfdue: what are you trying to install? [07:09] <surfdue> alias text to speach [07:09] <surfdue> unless ther eis a deb package for it [07:09] <phantom_> noob here. trying to fix ATI video and SoundCard [07:09] <surfdue> :P [07:09] <ook> does ubuntu have any video player package that would play divx and quicktime without additional tweaking? :) [07:10] <Bjorn2> vlc ? [07:10] <HappyFool> surfdue: the software is called 'alias' ? [07:10] <sander__> raven3x7: I'm only using apt-get from the command line. I think something happened when I tried to apt-get and didn't have enough disk space. [07:10] <surfdue> yes [07:10] <surfdue> alias7.0 [07:10] <HappyFool> surfdue: not obviously available in ubuntu repo's [07:10] <surfdue> 1.0 [07:10] <pudland> hi all, can anyone help with xsane parallel port scanner [07:10] <raven3x7> sander__, oh. maybe you should try killall apt-get? [07:10] <surfdue> how doi fix this qt error? [07:11] <surfdue> i have qt [07:11] <surfdue> i use it for skype. [07:11] <surfdue> aparently it is installed [07:11] <jordan_> anyone in here have an ipod working with GTKpod? [07:11] <pudland> says no device found [07:11] <jordan_> over usb that is... [07:11] <paganini> This is the motherboard that's having trouble. Anyone see anything here that would keep the kernel from loading? [07:11] <raven3x7> surfdue, you need the development libraries. [07:11] <paganini> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&lang=en&cc=us&product=403786&dlc=en&docname=c00063244 [07:11] <HappyFool> surfdue: i think you need libqt3-mt-dev [07:11] <surfdue> wow [07:11] <surfdue> lol [07:11] <surfdue> ok thansk [07:12] <surfdue> alot of files. [07:12] <Spudchat> hey guys [07:12] <Spudchat> i got a question about eggdrops, the irc bot [07:12] <pudland> can anyone help with parallel port scanner config? [07:12] <justin`> FireEgl: dum de dum dum [07:12] <exuser> hello all [07:12] <sander__> raven3x7: Thanks. There was a hung apt-get in the process list for some reason. [07:12] <Spudchat> it says i need tcl but ive got it installed...maybe theres a diff package i need? [07:12] <setite> hello [07:13] <surfdue> darn [07:13] <surfdue> same error [07:13] <QMario> HappyFool, how do I change the environmental variable, "TMPDIR"? [07:13] <raven3x7> surfdue type sudo apt-get build-dep xchat [07:13] <HappyFool> Spudchat: you can install eggdrop from synaptic or with apt-get [07:13] <surfdue> i did [07:13] <raven3x7> sander__, np [07:13] <HappyFool> raven3x7: he's not building xchat, i don't think [07:13] <Spudchat> synaptic [07:13] <QMario> [07:14] <topyli> QMario: TMPDIR=/foo/bar [07:14] <raven3x7> HappyFool, he said he was... [07:14] <topyli> QMario: for the current shell [07:14] <HappyFool> QMario: TMPDIR=/tmp/or/whatever, or export TMPDIR=/tmp/or/whatever [07:14] <QMario> [07:14] <HappyFool> raven3x7: i think that was Bjorn2 (?) [07:14] <QMario> Okay. [07:14] <raven3x7> although why xchat would need qt... [07:14] <surfdue> configure: error: Failed to find matching components of a complete [07:14] <surfdue> Qt installation. Try using more options, [07:14] <surfdue> see ./configure --help. [07:14] <Bjorn2> I was [07:14] <surfdue> hmm [07:14] <Bjorn2> building it [07:14] <QMario> What does "foo" mean? [07:14] <raven3x7> oh heh [07:14] <tenco> test [07:14] <setite> name [07:15] <desrt> does anyone know what the story with /lib/linux-restricted-modules is? [07:15] <HappyFool> you're supposed to replace it with whatever you need [07:15] <othernoob> foo is a secret code QMario :p [07:15] <HappyFool> surfdue: you installed the dev library ? [07:15] <tennlaw207> hello nalioth are you there [07:15] <Spudchat> still no luck :( [07:15] <surfdue> yes [07:15] <setite> yea foo is the variable that you put your name or whatever in [07:15] <QMario> !foo [07:15] <ubotu> baz [07:15] <desrt> !foo [07:15] <hybrid_goth> lol [07:15] <setite> little bunny foo foo [07:15] <raven3x7> surfdue what are you compi;ing? [07:15] <hybrid_goth> !foo foo [07:15] <ubotu> hybrid_goth: I haven't a clue [07:15] <surfdue> trying tooo [07:15] <surfdue> lol [07:15] <HappyFool> surfdue: hmm. can you place the output of './configure' on the pastebin ? [07:15] <QMario> The Muppets. [07:16] <setite> somebody slap me [07:16] <setite> i returned to the dark side [07:16] <Spudchat> where do things i install with stnaptic go? [07:16] <setite> i wiped my drive.. adn reinstalled windoze [07:16] <surfdue> http://pastebin.com/341691 [07:16] <kirtis> Spudchat, all over the place. [07:16] <Spudchat> eheh [07:16] <Spudchat> how bout eggdrop? [07:17] <HappyFool> surfdue: is there an URL for this software? [07:17] <QMario> Mmmm. [07:17] <Spudchat> how would i search for it? [07:17] <Spudchat> sorry im still adjusting to linux from windows [07:17] <HappyFool> !repos [07:17] <ubotu> repos is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [07:17] <setite> but yea...replace foo with your name or whatever you would put there [07:18] <surfdue> http://freshmeat.net/projects/alias/ [07:18] <kirtis> Spudchat, find /usr -name eggdrop maybe? [07:18] <setite> and its not ubuntus fault i quit linux [07:18] <setite> its cedega's [07:18] <hybrid_goth> lol [07:18] <HappyFool> Spudchat: read those links; add the repositories, and then search for eggdrop again. [07:18] <Spudchat> i did add the repos [07:18] <kirtis> Spudchat, Actually the easy way is to look at the contents of the eggdrop package to see what it installed, i'm trying to find the option [07:18] <hybrid_goth> setite: life is easier if you use the alternatives [07:18] <setite> it was too bad... i would click an attack.. and it would take between 2 and 10 damn seconds to actually register the click [07:18] <tenco> setite: who is cedega? [07:19] <topyli> heh [07:19] <setite> !cedega [07:19] <ubotu> cedega is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega [07:19] <Spudchat> and kirtis it said usr is a directory [07:19] <HappyFool> surfdue: i think the configure script may be buggy -- line 131 looks a bit suspicious [07:19] <jordan_> they make a wine distro with a config tool [07:19] <surfdue> k [07:19] <kirtis> Spudchat, dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/name_of_deb.deb will show you the contents [07:19] <hybrid_goth> tenco: emulation proggy [07:19] <setite> cedega is WineX project to play win games on linux [07:19] <tenco> and? [07:19] <setite> it sucks [07:19] <tenco> and? :) [07:19] <hybrid_goth> lol [07:19] <Spudchat> im sorry i dont think i understand that :( [07:19] <paganini> For the amount of time necessary to mess with cedega (and the fact that you have to pay for it unless you *really* want to mess with it yourself) it's cheaper just to have a second computer running XP [07:20] <topyli> xgalaga works very well natively [07:20] <setite> and then? [07:20] <hybrid_goth> UT is native to linux [07:20] <paganini> UT obviously rocks. [07:20] <setite> thats one game [07:20] <tenco> why do you need an emulator? [07:20] <setite> and then there is like another [07:20] <setite> tenco are you serious? [07:20] <paganini> Doom3 is too, isn't it? [07:20] <tenco> setite: yes [07:20] <setite> yea both games i dotn play [07:20] <spola> he tends to be serious [07:20] <hybrid_goth> paganini: i think do [07:20] <hybrid_goth> **so [07:20] <kirtis> Spudchat, just run that command in a terminal, it'll show you what the package installs. Replace name_of_deb.deb with the actual name. [07:21] <paganini> But, say, if you want Shogun: Total War, you in trouble. [07:21] <setite> tenco i own games... that i bought so i could play them... under linux they either dont play at all or play so poorly that they might as well be unplayable [07:21] <jordan_> what were you trying to play? [07:21] <tenco> setite: ah, ok. i used to play games. but i gave it up. too expensive. [07:21] <kirtis> That's what a ps2 is for, IMO. [07:22] <Klementas> it seems that Ubuntu doesn't update software, except for security/bugfixes, until the next release, or is there some way to get newer versions ? [07:22] <HappyFool> Spudchat: if your repositories are setup, you should be able to find 'eggdrop' in synaptic [07:22] <reiki> Spamassassin question: using debug I'm being told spamassassin can't find Net/DNS.pm. How do I manually dearch my system for that file? [07:22] <topyli> kirtis: and windows :) [07:22] <setite> nah... consoles are not nearly as good as a pc [07:22] <hybrid_goth> Klementas: backports [07:22] <hybrid_goth> !backports [07:22] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section [07:22] <setite> selection or quality [07:22] <spuho> hello. my ubuntu doesn't recognize that I have a blank CD in my drive when I'm trying to burn..what's the problem? [07:22] <HappyFool> surfdue: sorry, i'm not sure how to fix your problem [07:22] <Spudchat> found him!!!! [07:22] <surfdue> k [07:22] <Klementas> hmmmm, so I need to add a line to my sources.list then [07:23] <surfdue> does anyone know a good text to speech [07:23] <surfdue> app [07:23] <Spudchat> i did find him in synaptic but now i need to ./configure [07:23] <HappyFool> Spudchat: no [07:23] <Spudchat> and he claims i have no tcl [07:23] <hybrid_goth> surfdue: flite [07:23] <HappyFool> Spudchat: the whole point of using synaptic is that you don't have to compile [07:23] <spuho> I tried burning with nautilus and burn and they both refuse to believe I have a blank cd in the drive [07:23] <HappyFool> Spudchat: if you installed with synaptic, you have eggdrop compiled and ready to run [07:23] <Spudchat> so all i have to do is edit the config and run eggdrop with that config? [07:23] <HappyFool> Spudchat: i presume so; i have never used eggdrop [07:23] <hybrid_goth> spuho: ya sure it is blank? [07:23] <Spudchat> ok thanks [07:23] <Spudchat> ill give it a shot [07:24] <spuho> hybrid_goth: yea [07:24] <hybrid_goth> spuho: is the burner se to look at the drive? [07:24] <tenco> setite: i bought me a physics textbook for the price of two games (~70) -> >1300 pages and 3,3 kg of dead tree! :) [07:24] <tenco> instead* [07:24] <paganini> Heheh [07:24] <maximaus> Sitting here waiting for Feather Linux to fsck my borked Warty...Upgrade to Hoary or Breezy's last candidate? [07:24] <hybrid_goth> tenco: lol [07:24] <spuho> hybrid_goth: se? what do you mean? [07:24] <paganini> Tenco, you ever see the THomas Finney calc book? [07:25] <paganini> TWO ENTIRE TREES! [07:25] <hybrid_goth> maximaus: hoary [07:25] <tenco> paganini: ugh o_O [07:25] <hybrid_goth> spuho: make sure nautilus is looking at the drive with the blank cd [07:25] <maximaus> hybrid_goth: Yeah--to be honest I'm still happy with Warty, installed it in December. :P [07:25] <raven3x7> surfdue i believe lingoteach comes with one(?) and theres an ubuntu package for it [07:26] <hybrid_goth> maximaus: yea hoary is nice though [07:26] <tenco> paganini: if i cobmine my pysics textbook, my bronstein, my stcker and my Oxford AL i should also come near to this %-) [07:26] <tenco> s/cobmine/combine/ [07:26] <spuho> hybrid_goth: I only have one drive and it recognizes it's a CD burning drive [07:26] <maximaus> One last question: possible to replace Xorg with Xfree in Hoary (I've got the dreaded i810) [07:26] <kirtis> maximaus, yup, you'd only have xfree if you did an upgrade. [07:27] <paganini> I cleaned my room recently, and found a bunch of old stuff from when I was in school. [07:27] <reiki> there's a boatload of people in #spamassassin but you could hear a pin drop in there. :) [07:27] <paganini> Like, entire linux manuals that I'd printed out. [07:27] <maximaus> kirtis: I'm a bit confused, I thought Hoary came with Xorg by default? [07:27] <paganini> The Art of Assembler, frex, filled two binders. [07:27] <HappyFool> reiki: their filters are obviously overefficient [07:27] <hybrid_goth> spuho: ok are you trying to burn and it gives you an error about not seeing it or about not being blank? [07:27] <kirtis> maximaus, It does, but, IIRC if you upgrade it stays with xfree. [07:27] <tenco> reiki: like in #netbsd most of the time? :) [07:27] <hybrid_goth> paganini: wow [07:27] <reiki> HappyFool: indeed. :) [07:27] <paganini> I had like 3 reams of paper. My trash bag weighed like 50 pounds. [07:27] <kirtis> maximaus, So it's easier to just install fresh [07:28] <maximaus> kirtis, I'm doing a fresh install due to my HDD. [07:28] <spuho> hybrid_goth: it says "please enter a blank disk" [07:28] <spola> why was ubuntu based on debian? [07:28] <hybrid_goth> paganini: i would have taken that book [07:28] <dubnium> is it possible to upgrade to the amd64 platform if i installed the i386? [07:28] <hybrid_goth> spuho: hmm. well idk from here sorry [07:28] <bender_> sup [07:28] <maximaus> kirtis: do I look for xfree in synaptic after install? [07:28] <kirtis> dubnium, I'd have to say no. [07:28] <spuho> hybrid_goth: ok well [07:28] <spola> nuffin, just chillin [07:28] <spuho> i must suffer then [07:28] <hybrid_goth> b3nd3r is l33t [07:28] <tenco> paganini: entire linux manuals? but you have a monitor attached to your computer, right? ;-) [07:28] <reiki> I'm so close to having this working CORRECTLY. I have Spamassassin catching spam in Evolution simply by adding a filter that pipes to spamassassin. But it's ignoring whitelist_from and it's not tagging the subject line. [07:28] <kirtis> maximaus, No, you don't have to do anything. You'll already have xorg after installing hoary. [07:28] <Xenguy> spola: freedom and technical excellence [07:28] <mjr> dubnium, not really, reainstall over it. You can retain old data if you do it by hand. [07:28] <spuho> thanks anyway [07:28] <hybrid_goth> spuho: try an external drive [07:28] <b3nd3r> \/3rY leet [07:29] <hybrid_goth> lol [07:29] <spuho> hybrid_goth: please elaborate [07:29] <b3nd3r> so ya [07:29] <andrei> hello. i am trying to set the font encoding for totem-xine but no luck. does anyone know how to do that ? thanks [07:29] <b3nd3r> im bord [07:29] <maximaus> kirtis: LOL, thing is that I don't want Xorg as it doesn't offer acceleration for my onboard vid card. Not a huge deal, but wondering if I could *downgrade* to Xfree like in Warty. :P [07:29] <HappyFool> maximaus: there's an xserver-xfree86 package in universe [07:29] <paganini> tenco: Yeah, two of them now in fact. But like, when you most need manuals is when you can't read online. [07:29] <hybrid_goth> spuho: i would try connecting an external burner and try to burn using that drive. [07:29] <paganini> Like, when the kernel won't boot, say. [07:30] <paganini> :) [07:30] <maximaus> HappyFool: Cool! :D [07:30] <HappyFool> maximaus: version 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu26 [07:30] <pudland> any help on scanner drivers?? [07:30] <b3nd3r> any one using Ubuntu 64? [07:30] <kirtis> maximaus, oooooh. Probably.. i think it's still there. [07:30] <spuho> hybrid_goth:ok, I'll see what I can do, thanks [07:30] <mjr> b3nd3r, yes [07:30] <reiki> anyone good with spamassassin? I'm close to having a good spam tagging tool here... just a couple minor things :) [07:30] <hybrid_goth> spuho: good luck [07:30] <Scrawny1> hey guy just a real quick question for ya's :) [07:30] <b3nd3r> mjr is it noticibly faster? [07:30] <HappyFool> maximaus: not sure if anyone uses it; maybe you should ask around a bit more [07:30] <Scrawny1> how do I upgrade xchat to 2.4.4? [07:31] <reiki> what's the command line entry to search for a file anywhere in my filesystem? [07:31] <HappyFool> maximaus: not that i'd know ;) but i think most ppl on hoary use xorg [07:31] <maximaus> Thanks all, I'm assuming I'll have to edit some text too, but as long as Xfree is available in Synaptic, I'll give it a shot. :D [07:31] <Xenguy> reiki: just ask [07:31] <hybrid_goth> Scrawny1: backports [07:31] <hybrid_goth> !backports [07:31] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section [07:31] <paganini> If, between now and then, someone discovers some miraculous way to get Ubuntu to install on that Compaq Presario, drop me a PM [07:31] <selinium> Seveas: worked out the problem. I had maxed out my HD so it couldn't rewrite the Xauthority file. [07:31] <reiki> I'm so close to having this working CORRECTLY. I have Spamassassin catching spam in Evolution simply by adding a filter that pipes to spamassassin. But it's ignoring whitelist_from and it's not tagging the subject line. [07:31] <apokryphos> reiki: easy way: locate (you'll need to have updatedb before). Other way: find / | grep {somefile} [07:31] <b3nd3r> paganini ... [07:31] <Xenguy> reiki: 'find' or 'locate' [07:31] <mjr> b3nd3r, depends what you mean by "noticably" [07:31] <b3nd3r> paganini im running a Compaq Presario 2100 laptop... perfectly fine. [07:32] <Xenguy> reiki: 'locate' requires you to run 'sudo updatedb' first [07:32] <Scrawny1> ok whats the website to get all the repsositories? [07:32] <b3nd3r> mjr well ive never ran 64 so when i get my new lappy in im wanding if its gonna be a lot faster [07:32] <mjr> b3nd3r, your browser probably won't be noticably altered, but your long encoding jobs will [07:32] <b3nd3r> hmm ok [07:33] <b3nd3r> how about X and shit.. still the same [07:33] <b3nd3r> ? [07:33] <paganini> b3nd3r, it's with this monterboard: [07:33] <paganini> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&lang=en&cc=us&product=403786&dlc=en&docname=c00063244 [07:33] <glick> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25529 [07:33] <glick> i dont get what thats about [07:33] <apokryphos> much, much faster, yes. [07:33] <mjr> b3nd3r, basically everything where the CPU is the bottleneck will improve [07:33] <mjr> but the UI is generally not one of these things [07:33] <glick> linus asking for license fees to use the linux name? [07:33] <b3nd3r> hmm good point [07:33] <reiki> ok ... sudo locate DNS.pm found nothing. This appears to be a perl module? And Spamassassin is looking for it [07:34] <Xenguy> glick: yeah, I found that weird also [07:34] <b3nd3r> mjr what are you specs? [07:34] <Xenguy> reiki: did you install from package or source? [07:34] <kirtis> reiki, apt-get install libnet-dns-perl? [07:34] <mjr> why does it matter? [07:34] <b3nd3r> just wonderin [07:34] <reiki> Xenguy: I installed using apt-get install [07:34] <Flying-Penguin> does anyone know how to open firestarter? [07:34] <rmflagg> I have a question about gdm under Hoary. About a week ago, my default session changed from Fluxbox to Gnome AND it no longer asks if I want to change my default session setting. Any idea what could have happened? [07:35] <Flying-Penguin> I am trying to edit my firewall [07:35] <reiki> kirtis: I could try that... :) [07:35] <Xenguy> reiki: what kirtis said [07:36] <Scrawny1> !bucksport help [07:36] <ubotu> Scrawny1: I give up, what is it? [07:36] <reiki> Xenguy: ok installed that... gonna run spamassassin through debug again and see if that fixed anything... [07:36] <booger> is there a way to find out the speed of a dvd -rw drive?? [07:36] <b3nd3r> mjr what are your specs? laptop or desktop? [07:36] <Flying-Penguin> what program would I run to mess with my firewall? [07:36] <HappyFool> firestarter [07:37] <Scrawny1> where can I get new bucksports? [07:37] <HappyFool> what's a bucksport ? [07:37] <apokryphos> backport, I presume [07:37] <apokryphos> !sources [07:37] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [07:37] <Scrawny1> thank- you :) [07:38] <b3nd3r> OMFG that was goooood [07:38] <b3nd3r> Ice Cold PEPSI in the morning [07:38] <b3nd3r> :) [07:38] <apokryphos> any drink but milk in the morning is evil [07:38] <b3nd3r> lol [07:39] <wsmith> In which channel would I find experts in X (especially MergedFB problems)? [07:39] <b3nd3r> pepsi is like the oposite of milk.. it does a body bad.. and destroys your bones lol [07:39] <rmflagg> Is anyone out there well steeped in GDM settings? [07:39] <b3nd3r> wsmith whats the issue [07:39] <kirtis> booger, lshal|grep read_speed ? maybe [07:39] <wsmith> b3nd3r, whenever I go into an opengl app, one of my viewports resets to offset 0,0 [07:40] <reiki> Xenguy and kirtis: ok that fixed the complaint in debug mode. Now I get absolutely no errors, and I can see it's looking in the right places for conf files, but it's still not modifying teh subject line, using whitelist_from, or even adding X-Spam headers. It's not modifying the headers at all [07:40] <b3nd3r> offset 0,0 meaning??? it goes blank? [07:40] <wsmith> no, it goes to the same viewport as the other one (it becomes a clone of sorts) [07:40] <b3nd3r> ah [07:40] <b3nd3r> hmm [07:40] <wsmith> But the mouse cursor spans the two. Really confusing [07:41] <b3nd3r> damn that is wierd [07:41] <b3nd3r> i never did think about opengl/d3d with more than one screen.. i just had 4 monitors for my 2d destkop on kde [07:41] <b3nd3r> what card [07:41] <wsmith> el cheapo radeon 7000 [07:41] <b3nd3r> pffft [07:41] <b3nd3r> good luck [07:42] <Xenguy> reiki: It was too long ago for me to be of further help. I know that using SA's bayesian filters with large portions of sample spam and ham dramatically increased the effectiveness of SA for me tho [07:42] <Xenguy> reiki: i.e. 'sa-learn' [07:42] <b3nd3r> those ATI's are a joke.. i could write better drivers for those cards than ATI and i failed algebra 4 [07:42] <rmflagg> Rats...can anyone see this message? [07:42] <Xenguy> rmflagg: yes [07:42] <b3nd3r> yes [07:42] <b3nd3r> we so should have said no [07:42] <wsmith> b3nd3r, I'm using radeon (not the proprietary ati drivers) [07:43] <b3nd3r> hmm [07:43] <reiki> Xenguy: oh it's WORKING as far as catching spam. It's even sorting it into a Spam folder I created. It's just ignoring the local.cf and user_prefs files as far as whitelisting and changing the header [07:43] <rmflagg> I have a question about gdm under Hoary. About a week ago, my default session changed from Fluxbox to Gnome AND it no longer asks if I want to change my default session setting. Any idea what could have happened? [07:43] <wsmith> I get dri, and it's pretty zippy, but goes nuts in ogl [07:43] <Xenguy> reiki: you'll get there - good luck :-) [07:43] <b3nd3r> rmflagg not sure why that happend but if you want it back i can show you how... [07:43] <rmflagg> That would be of great help! [07:43] <b3nd3r> wsmith man i have no idea... [07:43] <reiki> Xenguy: thanks :) at least teh DNS thing is fixed... now to get it tagging..... [07:44] <b3nd3r> rmflagg so you want fluxbox back? [07:44] <wsmith> brb. randomly changing xorg.conf values... [07:44] <Scrawny1> thats not what I was looking for [07:44] <rmflagg> Fluxbox is there....It's just that the settings in GDM no longer recognize the "Last" setting or the "Default" setting. I just always go to Gnome no matter what. [07:46] <b3nd3r> rmflagg i can show you have to get fluxbox working again .......... if thats what you mean... give me a few though [07:46] <b3nd3r> where the hell is xinitrc located for user$ [07:46] <rmflagg> Ok [07:47] <wsmith> woot [07:47] <Scrawny1> I'm only going to ask this once more Where do you find extra backsports, besides the one I already have [07:47] <b3nd3r> wsmith get it?!? [07:47] <HappyFool> !hoary-extras [07:47] <ubotu> [hoary-extras] see http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [07:47] <wsmith> yessa. "Too Much Configuration" problem [07:47] <LinuxJones> b3nd3r, /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc [07:47] <HappyFool> Scrawny1: you can try those too, though they're not always recommended [07:48] <b3nd3r> LinuxJones im looking for where you set the gnome-session options [07:48] <b3nd3r> wsmith fuck ya man good job [07:48] <Scrawny1> lol al I want to do is upgrade x-chat to 2.4.4 LOL [07:48] <Ng> 2.4.4 is in backports afair [07:49] <kemik> Scrawny1: google [07:49] <Ng> kemik: he doesn't need google, he needs the backports repository :) [07:49] <volatile_> backports repository is at www.ubuntulinux.com [07:49] <kemik> Ng: well, he should be able to find the URL with google.. he knows what he's looking for so he's just lazy [07:50] <volatile_> just search "mplayer" it will give you the backport, REMEMBER TO "CHECK MARK" THE MULTIVERSE ETC... UNDER REPOSITORIES MENU [07:51] <Flying-Penguin> anyone here ever herd of firestarter? [07:51] <rmflagg> I run Firestarter... [07:51] <XTERM> Yes...Firestarter was a bad movie about a piro kid [07:51] <Flying-Penguin> does firestarter config the ubuntu? [07:52] <HappyFool> !info firestarter [07:52] <ubotu> firestarter: (gtk program for managing and observing your firewall), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-1ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 518 kB, Installed size: 2348 kB [07:52] <LinuxJones> b3nd3r, I am not sure where it's set used to be in the users home dir [07:52] <rmflagg> !info transcode [07:52] <Flying-Penguin> good job HappyFool thank you [07:52] <spola> firestarter was one of the best singles on the 1995 podigy album "Music for the jilted genration" [07:52] <ninjafish> spola, firestarter was on fat of the land [07:53] <rmflagg> Has anyone gotten Transcode to run on Hoary? [07:53] <spola> really? [07:53] <seoleda> #list [07:53] <Jazy84> anyon ehave an luck getting a SMC2662 or a Belkin FD5060 to work in linux? from what i understand they use the atmel chipset. they are 802.11b wifi cards [07:53] <spola> oh yeah i was talking about speedway, sorry :p [07:53] <Scrawny1> Kemik I already did google, I'm so fucking sick of ppl saying google when I've already fucking done it [07:54] <Jazy84> lol Scrawny1 [07:54] <Scrawny1> why the helll do you think I'm here In a Ubuntu help rooom? [07:55] <volatile_> can someone set me up with a bittorrent community? [07:55] <volatile_> I'm having issues finding one through google etc... [07:55] <Xenguy> Scrawny1: to be /ignored ? [07:55] <thechitowncubss> www.legaltorrents.com [07:55] <volatile_> k [07:55] <spola> volatile_, the pirate bay !! [07:55] <Jazy84> arr [07:55] <absenth> I'm currently using Hoary 32Bit with an nVidia graphics card. (fresh install) Can someone point me in the direction of a how-to for Accellerated Graphics AND dual head please? [07:55] <spola> (pirate bay is illegal depending on your location) [07:55] <volatile_> what's the "pirate bay?" [07:56] <kemik> spola: nah.. it's not.. it's illegal to download copyrighted material though [07:56] <kemik> the site itself is not illegal ;) [07:56] <filip_> i cant install valknut, i have an file called valknut.deb in /home/filip/Desktop/valknut.deb then this command should install it: [07:56] <filip_> sudo apt-get install /home/filip/Desktop/valknut.deb [07:56] <taw> hello :-) [07:56] <filip_> does i have wrong? [07:56] <kemik> filip_: dpkg -i file.deb [07:56] <rmflagg> Whaaah! I just need to change settings in GDM, but I don't know what to change! [07:56] <kemik> filip_: dpkg installs .deb packages [07:57] <kemik> !dpkg [07:57] <ubotu> dpkg is, like, totally, the Debian Package Manager: sudo dpkg --install package.deb [07:57] <ninjafish> scawnyl, I was in #linux the other day, i asked if anyone knew an MP3 player that would mount on linux as a Mass Storage Device. I was told to RTFM, google it etc. When I commented that I do not have all the manuals and manufactures tend to always say XP only I was muted [07:57] <b3nd3r> rmflagg one sec [07:57] <filip_> kemik, okej when does i use apt-get install then? [07:57] <Scrawny1> like I realy care if you ppl /ignore me I just thought maybe I can get help w/ this operating system w/o ppl saying to google when I've already it [07:57] <kemik> filip_: when you install stuff from the depositories [07:57] <filip_> kemik, okej [07:57] <booger> how can i find the max write speed for a dvd drive [07:57] <kemik> repositories even [07:58] <spola> don't google, yahoo! [07:58] <kemik> !tell Scrawny1 about repositories [07:58] <kemik> !tell Scrawny1 backports [07:58] <spola> google is *evul* [07:58] <kemik> !tell Scrawny1 hoary-extras [07:58] <kemik> there you go Scrawny1 [07:58] <wsmith> hmm. are there any command line flags to send to an sdl app to tell it which video mode to use (like all xlib apps use -geometry) [07:58] <othernoob> why does * not work when there are numbers involved? [07:59] <Scrawny1> theres a command I for get what it is that starts w/ echo that forces updates [07:59] <absenth> assuming I install the nvidia driver via apt-get, how do I get dual head up and running? [07:59] <Scrawny1> er sorry upgrades [08:00] <blockhead> !tell blockhead backports [08:01] <booger> how can i find the max write speed for a dvd drive [08:01] <snippy> hey there [08:01] <snippy> can someone help me ? [08:01] <snippy> /bin/mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/src': File exists [08:01] <snippy> /bin/ln: creating symbolic link `/usr/src/linux' to `': No such file or directory [08:01] <snippy> Can't find the kernel sources. Please, install them and run this program. [08:01] <snippy> I installed the kernel sources [08:01] <snippy> but usr/src/linux/ does not exist [08:01] <Myrtti> note for those who tried to help me earlier with my usb memory that didn't work. It didn't mount on even Windows and I went to the store I bought it from and got one twice as big in return. [08:01] <Scrawny1> thanks for the lack of help I'll remember this when my friends want to d/l Ubuntu [08:02] <Myrtti> Scrawny1: what was the prob... [08:02] <Myrtti> okkkk [08:02] <filip_> kemik, i dont get it work should it be like this sudo dpgk -i /home/filip/Desktop/valknut.deb ? [08:02] <aru> whats USB memory? [08:02] <Myrtti> snippy: try #flood next time [08:02] <booger> how can i find the max write speed for a dvd drive [08:02] <Myrtti> aru: usb flash memory [08:02] <booger> ??? [08:02] <aru> oh [08:02] <aru> I was thinking USB ram... wondering why I hadn't heard of this :) [08:03] <snippy> Myrtti thanks for the tip :) oh my.. IT WORKED!! :D [08:03] <snippy> thanks thanks [08:03] <othernoob> booger: manufacturers site? [08:03] <b3nd3r> damn [08:03] <Myrtti> aru: a Creative Muvo mp3-player/flash memory in particular [08:03] <b3nd3r> i cant find that shit anywhere [08:03] <booger> i dont even know the manufacture [08:04] <Myrtti> it got crazy and said it had only 187M of free space when it should've had 256. I formatted it in Linux (apparently the wrong way) and broke it for good. [08:04] <wsmith> booger: find the part number on the bottom of the drive and google for it. works for me about 50% of the time [08:04] <booger> never mind I found out [08:05] <snippy> how can I create a link to /usr/src/linux/ ? [08:05] <wsmith> ... or stick some media in there and use speed=90000 to dvdrecord [08:05] <dalamar> ln -s [08:05] <barongas> I just installed my first ubuntu-dist, and it didn't ask me to supply a root password. How do I change it? [08:05] <JazyPPC> ln -s [08:05] <rmflagg> b3nd3r which shit is that? [08:05] <dalamar> barongas, sudo passwd root [08:05] <dalamar> though you'll rarely use it with ubuntu [08:06] <Myrtti> barongas: you don't use root password [08:06] <Paganini> You can't login as root by default, but all the sysadmin stuff is protected by it, also by default. [08:06] <barongas> dalamar: It asks me to supply the root password when typing it in. [08:06] <Myrtti> you do it thru sudo [08:06] <JazyPPC> anyone ever use an atmel based wifi chip and got it to work? [08:06] <snippy> how can I create a link to /usr/src/linux/ ? [08:06] <barongas> Don't I need root for apt etc... [08:06] <Paganini> You have to enter it to use Synaptic, frex. [08:06] <Myrtti> barongas: sudo apt [08:06] <filip_> how does i install my .deb file that is placed in /home/filip/Desktop/valknut.deb ? [08:07] <dalamar> you use sudo for apt etc, which uses your main user passwd [08:07] <Myrtti> barongas: use your own password [08:07] <dalamar> so 'sudo passwd root' you actually have to put in your user pw before you can actually change the root pw [08:08] <barongas> Thanks [08:08] <Myrtti> indeed [08:08] <snippy> anyone? <.< [08:08] <b3nd3r> Paganini ... back? [08:08] <Paganini> Yep [08:08] <Ummmmm> I have a question: WHY?! [08:08] <Paganini> I sent you a PM [08:08] <b3nd3r> neet [08:08] <Myrtti> snippy: ln -s [08:08] <Myrtti> snippy: man ln [08:08] <b3nd3r> ? [08:08] <stretched_lobes> hello [08:08] <wsmith> snippy: ln -s /usr/src/kernel-source<tab> /usr/src/linux [08:08] <b3nd3r> ya i was lookin at that shit [08:08] <stretched_lobes> I have a quick question [08:08] <snippy> thanks mates [08:08] <wsmith> snippy: followed by ln -s /usr/src/linux /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build [08:09] <stretched_lobes> I have an Irock mp3 player [08:09] <ninjafish> yes [08:09] <absenth> 39217 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7843.400 FPS....... Nice. [08:09] <stretched_lobes> is there any way to upload my mp3's to the irock [08:09] <wsmith> *sniff* I finally get MergedFB running for dual-headed accelerated goodness, and all the damn games have 4:3 aspect locked in! [08:09] <umberleigh> where does ubuntu keep it's grub.conf file? i can't seem to find it [08:09] <stretched_lobes> I am trying to go totally without windoze [08:10] <snippy> wtf, I cant do a tab in terminal [08:10] <wsmith> umberleigh, /boot/grub/menu.lst [08:10] <b3nd3r> onlything i could think of is to nigger rig the shit to boot [08:10] <ninjafish> stretched_lobes, how does the player mount in XP? [08:10] <Bjorn2> where can I look if my 3d card acc is working ? [08:10] <ninjafish> is it a usb disk [08:10] <Bjorn2> acceleration [08:10] <stretched_lobes> it had software that i downloaded from irock [08:10] <wsmith> Bjorn2, type glxinfo. the third or so line should say "Direct Rendering... YES" [08:10] <stretched_lobes> connects through usb [08:11] <othernoob> mmh, why does * not work when there are numbers involved? for example lame -h -b 192 *.wav *.mp3 won't work (the wavs are 01, 02, 03...) [08:11] <umberleigh> ahh. that'd explain why find /etc/ -name grub.conf && find /boot/ -name grub.conf didn't turn anything up [08:11] <Bjorn2> yay [08:11] <Bjorn2> its working [08:11] <Bjorn2> :D [08:11] <wsmith> othernoob, the shell expands those... [08:11] <ninjafish> stretched, what happens if you connect it to your pc when linux is running, does it appear on the desktop? [08:11] <othernoob> wsmith: meaning? [08:11] <b3nd3r> man i need to sell my laptop! [08:11] <Bjorn2> What "free" opengl shooters are there wsmith :D? [08:11] <filip_> how does i install .deb ? [08:11] <barongas> is multiverse very unstable or more or less like debian unstable? [08:11] <wsmith> othernoob, so you are saying lame -h -b 192 01.wav 02.wav 03.wav 04.wav 01.mp3 02.mp3 03.mp3 04.mp3 (assuming all those exist) and confuses the hell out of lame [08:12] <Xenguy> filip_: dpkg -i _____ [08:12] <wsmith> Bjorn2, happypenguin.org [08:12] <wsmith> othernoob, with lame, specifying *.mp3 is unnecessary [08:12] <Arnia> barongas: Multiverse contains all the 'non-free' packages [08:12] <b3nd3r> hey if any ones got linux windows unix mac os questions feel free to post them on www.usrlabs.com :) [08:12] <stretched_lobes> I tried just plugging my usb cable in but it did not work [08:13] <barongas> Arnia:Cool [08:13] <othernoob> wsmith, it should do one after the other, as it would do, if the files weren't numbered [08:13] <wsmith> stretched_lobes, type dmesg what are the last files [08:13] <wsmith> othernoob, are the files named 01.wav, 02.wav, etc? [08:13] <robertj> heya all, anyone know of a gtk chess with multiplayer, computer oponents with different levels, and valid move highlighting? [08:13] <usrlabs> www.usrlabs.com is a soon to be how to site if any one has newb or eleet questions needing be answered [08:13] <wsmith> stretched_lobes, *lines* [08:14] <wsmith> usrlabs, please. ... no more redirects... [08:14] <othernoob> wsmith: not quite.. they are 01-title/of/the/song.wav ....and so on [08:14] <Xenguy> usrlabs: you are about to be permanently /ignored [08:14] <usrlabs> wsmith ... what are yout alking [08:14] <stretched_lobes> usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 4 [08:14] <wsmith> usrlabs, there's like 6 redirects (just me whining) [08:14] <bender_> wtf [08:14] <bender_> no there isnt. [08:14] <stretched_lobes> do you want all lines [08:14] <bender_> its my damn site [08:14] <snippy> oh my.. putting a link didnt worked [08:14] <spola> you're fit but you know it [08:14] <snippy> the script wont find the kernel sources [08:14] <bender_> it takes you to my forums [08:15] <wsmith> othernoob, * does not recurse. in other words, *.wav matches files named <something>.wav in the *current* directory [08:15] <Xenguy> bye [08:15] <othernoob> wsmith: fascinating [08:15] <topyli> othernoob: i just use the audio convert script for nautilus :) [08:15] <bender_> wsmith did you get the X issue working? [08:15] <wsmith> bender_, usrlabs.com => www.usrlabs.com => (missed one) => www.usrlabs.com/community/forum.php [08:15] <topyli> othernoob: https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/audio-convert/ [08:15] <bender_> wsmith yes.. thats my sight... [08:15] <othernoob> wsmith: disregard the noob in my name. i'm quite aware of * not recursing [08:15] <stretched_lobes> before the last line there was [08:15] <othernoob> wsmith: i'm even quite aware of having to be in the correct directory [08:16] <stretched_lobes> 7 DPT=68 LEN=314 [08:16] <stretched_lobes> ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.1: wakeup [08:16] <othernoob> wsmith: my quiestion is why * NEVER works when there are numbers in the files [08:16] <ninjafish> stretched, it is possible that your mp3 player is not Mass Storage Device compatible. if this is the case then it will not mount on linux [08:16] <wsmith> bender_, yup (finally). however any damn games lock in 4:3 ratio, making my dual headed goodness moot [08:16] <GoClick> I have a broken package and I don't know what to do [08:16] <stretched_lobes> should i try one of the rio packages [08:16] <GoClick> Synaptic won't fix it either [08:16] <bender_> wsmith fuck that sucks [08:16] <othernoob> topyli: thanks, but i don't use gnome, thus no nautilus ;) [08:16] <stretched_lobes> or mabye natilus [08:16] <MovieTrailerMan> Help! I am having problems with America's Army! [08:16] <LinuxJones> GoClick, what are you trying to install ? [08:16] <topyli> othernoob: ah :) [08:17] <ninjafish> stretched wait a sec, what is the model of mp3 player you have again? [08:17] <filip_> how can i add program in the menu ? [08:17] <wsmith> othernoob, it does (http://warrenandrachel.com/othernoob.png) [08:17] <stretched_lobes> irock 530 [08:17] <ninjafish> MOvieTrailerMan, so are a few countries [08:17] <spola> ROFL [08:18] <GoClick> I went to do my upgrades after installing Horay and it told me I had a broken package so I went and it's gnome extention for firefox but I can't remove it because it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop and it won't repair it [08:18] <barongas> filip_: Try dragging and dropping icons [08:18] <MovieTrailerMan> I can't seem to get Amercia Army to work [08:18] <MovieTrailerMan> er, American Army [08:18] <GoClick> hoary rather [08:18] <Mau> newb here [08:18] <LinuxJones> GoClick, it's ok to remove ubuntu-desktop [08:18] <^thehatsrule^> americas army? [08:18] <spola> i hate that game, it's like a commercial [08:18] <other|pissed> wsmith: hui, it does work with ls. yay.. but it DOES NOT with lame and unrar for example [08:18] <Mau> dunno what i did [08:18] <rmflagg> I may never get my GDM settings question answered... [08:18] <hardw1re> (Kernel):[Linux 2.6.12-7-amd64-xeon x86_64] [08:19] <GoClick> How will I reinstall it without a desktop? [08:19] <Mau> how do i change my gdm ui languaga? [08:19] <Mau> language? [08:19] <Bjorn2> how do i open DVD's with VLc [08:19] <snippy> someone uses Paragon's NTFS for linux ? [08:19] <bender_> ugh i cant wait for my new laptoP!!!! [08:19] <wsmith> other|pissed, I assure you it does. * is expanded by the shell, not the application [08:19] <LinuxJones> GoClick, that's just a metapackage it will not uninstall your desktop [08:19] <filip_> barongas: ok i will try that soon [08:19] <Bjorn2> when i type dvd:///dev/hda it doesn't work [08:19] <bender_> Bjorn2 ... set the prefs tard [08:19] <Mau> HA! [08:19] <Mau> HAHA! [08:19] <Bjorn2> bender_, i just started :o? [08:20] <wsmith> other|pissed, remember, *.wav *.mp3 doesn't expand to file.wav file.mp3 [08:20] <Mau> ?-) [08:20] <Bjorn2> take it easy :< [08:20] <snippy> I just bought Paragon NTFS for linux.. cant install it oO [08:20] <stretched_lobes> movietrailer man I followed install in wilki and it ran perfectly [08:20] <bender_> Bjorn2 .... duh try /media/dvd or /media/scsi0 [08:20] <bender_> find where your drive is located first [08:20] <wsmith> other|pissed, if file.mp3 doesn't exist [08:20] <GoClick> LinuxJones I removed it now what do I do to get it back? [08:20] <other|pissed> wsmith: are you saying that lame -h *.wav works? [08:20] <wsmith> other|pissed, yes [08:20] <barongas> I take it setting up my ati graphic card is as much a hassle as it is for debian? [08:21] <LinuxJones> GoClick, you don't need to get it back [08:21] <GoClick> Well what if [08:21] <LinuxJones> GoClick, your system will be exactly the same as it is now [08:21] <GoClick> Well what if I need to access gnomy stuff with firefox [08:21] <HappyFool> Bjorn2: maybe just 'dvd://' ? [08:21] <GoClick> That said, how do I install thunderbird? [08:21] <stretched_lobes> here you go movietrailerman [08:21] <other|pissed> wsmith: hui.. i do wonder why i am getting the "here's how you should use lame-syntax introduction + why don't you idiot try lame -? and so on" then? [08:21] <stretched_lobes> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AmericasArmy [08:21] <Bjorn2> HappyFool, ill try it [08:22] <MovieTrailerMan> stretched_lobes, eh? [08:22] <MovieTrailerMan> ah [08:22] <wsmith> other|pissed, -h means help [08:22] <surfdue> how do i findout what is using my sound stuff [08:22] <MovieTrailerMan> thanks [08:22] <snippy> how can I remove a link? [08:22] <stretched_lobes> yes 1 9/16th in [08:22] <other|pissed> wsmith: you have never used lame have you? [08:22] <wsmith> other|pissed, may you want lame --preset=high [08:22] <LinuxJones> GoClick, apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird [08:22] <other|pissed> wsmith: -h does not mean help [08:22] <HappyFool> snippy: just 'rm' it [08:22] <wsmith> other|pissed, sorry. was thinking something else. I'm a retard [08:22] <Bjorn2> !backports [08:22] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section [08:22] <MovieTrailerMan> Will it show me how to use American Army? [08:22] <Bjorn2> it isn't working btw HappyFool [08:22] <Bjorn2> maybe its the dvd [08:22] <hardw1re> just finished my upgrade to breezy [08:22] <stretched_lobes> you mean a walkthrough [08:22] <Bjorn2> or region code [08:23] <hardw1re> (IDE Interfaces):[nVidia Corporation CK8S Parallel ATA Controller (v2.5) (rev 162)] [08:23] <GoClick> LinuxJones is there a GUI for that? I can do that from the CLI but I doubt my boss will [08:23] <HappyFool> Bjorn2: what error message do you get ? (don't paste here) [08:23] <wsmith> other|pissed, ahh. lame only takes *one* file to encode at a time [08:23] <bender_> sigh [08:23] <Bjorn2> HappyFool, nothing [08:23] <Bjorn2> it spins [08:23] <Bjorn2> en then closes itself [08:23] <dalamar> synaptic will do it, just click search and type 'thunderbird' [08:23] <MovieTrailerMan> I want to control American Army [08:23] <GoClick> Oh I found it I think [08:23] <wsmith> other|pissed, find ./ -iname '*.wav' -exec lame -h \{\} \; [08:23] <HappyFool> Bjorn2: unfortunately i don't have vlc.. let me see how big a download it is [08:24] <LinuxJones> GoClick, you can use synaptic to install it as well just search for mozilla-thunderbird then right click and hit install, then click the apply button [08:24] <wsmith> other|pissed, or for each in *.wav ; do lame -h $each ; done [08:24] <stretched_lobes> http://www.americasarmy.com/support/gamemanual.php [08:24] <Bjorn2> www.videolan.org [08:24] <Bjorn2> HappyFool, [08:24] <bender_> i cant wait to play AA again [08:24] <HappyFool> Bjorn2: i'd rather install from synaptic, thanks ;) [08:24] <bender_> its been like 1.5 years since i have played it [08:25] <GoClick> LinuxJones ok, I also need to get samba on this machine with a nice gui too, what gui should I use? [08:25] <other|pissed> wsmith: it won't work because there are numbers in the filename.wav and thus i'll get the syntax-introduction again [08:25] <GrYpHoN> Anyone here havingissues getting the broadcom 4306 working through ndiswrapper in Ubuntu? [08:25] <bender_> GrYpHoN is that a laptop chipset/ [08:25] <GrYpHoN> Yes it is. Laptop is HP Pavilion zv5000 [08:25] <rmflagg> I have a question, folks. [08:25] <LinuxJones> GoClick, oh boy I have never used samba since I have no computers running anything but Linux [08:25] <bender_> heh [08:25] <bender_> :) [08:25] <stretched_lobes> ninja [08:25] <bender_> i just ordered the zv6000 [08:26] <wsmith> !pastebbot [08:26] <ubotu> wsmith: What? [08:26] <ninjafish> stretched_lobes, sorry, I cannot find enough info on the irock to say how you could use it with linux, the software seems to be win or mac only [08:26] <wsmith> !pastebot [08:26] <ubotu> wsmith: What? [08:26] <bender_> GrYpHoN give me one sec and ill get you the info :) [08:26] <wsmith> !paste [08:26] <ubotu> I guess paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text [08:26] <GrYpHoN> Its a great laptop [08:26] <GrYpHoN> pain to get the wireless working though [08:26] <ninjafish> stretched_lobes, sorry, I cannot find enough info on the irock to say how you could use it with linux, the software seems to be win or mac only [08:26] <dalamar> many people have issues with broadcom and ndiswrapper [08:26] <lvraab> broadcom sucks [08:26] <dalamar> regardless of distro [08:26] <dalamar> yes it does ;) [08:26] <wsmith> other|pissed, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1449 [08:26] <GrYpHoN> That figures. lol [08:27] <LinuxJones> GoClick, there is webmin but I am not sure if it works as advertised in Ubuntu [08:27] <lvraab> lol [08:27] <rmflagg> What setting do I have to change for GDM to ask if I want to change my default setting? [08:27] <stretched_lobes> ok thanks I guess i really have to have windows after all too bad [08:27] <ninjafish> I have managed to install my broardcom ndiswrapper with a HP zv5000 fine [08:27] <GoClick> LinuxJones That's too bad, I'll have to try a few I guess, ok. [08:27] <GoClick> No SWAT is HORRIBLE [08:28] <GoClick> I'd rather edit the conf file by hand [08:28] <GrYpHoN> The scan through the terminal finds the network etc, can't connect though. Driving me CRAZY [08:28] <ninjafish> I have missed a bit of the conversation so I will just catch up [08:28] <bender_> GrYpHoN http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Gentoo_Linux_64bit_on_HP_Pavillon_zv6000_series_notebook#Wireless_Connection [08:28] <bender_> about 3/4 the way down [08:28] <barongas> Does Gtk install in some weird directory for ubuntu? Trying to compile a program and it can't find it [08:28] <stretched_lobes> my second uestion how do i make k3b appear in the gnome panel [08:28] <surfdue> i think my sound drivers are messed up [08:28] <GrYpHoN> Thanks bender! [08:28] <surfdue> when someone hears me on my sip phone [08:28] <surfdue> it is CRAPPY [08:28] <stretched_lobes> i can start it from a shell [08:29] <bender_> GrYpHoN it IS for the gentoo install.. but theres nothing diff about ndis wrapper though [08:29] <ninjafish> stretched lobes, I traded my old mp3 player for an iriver because it could not be used in linux [08:29] <jbull> barongas: what's the program looking for? [08:30] <dalamar> either that or buy a cheap ipod, they wer ine aswll [08:30] <stretched_lobes> i tried smeg but k3b does not show [08:30] <Spudchat> does an xclef run in linux? [08:30] <stretched_lobes> yes i was looking at the new rio [08:30] <ninjafish> for an irock equivilent for linux look at the creative Muvos they mount as USB drives on the gnome desktop [08:30] <wsmith> battle for wesnoth is my new favorite game for not being retarded and assuming 4:3 ratio [08:30] <barongas> jbull checking for gtk+-2.0 >= 2.0.0... Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. [08:30] <stretched_lobes> cool thanks [08:31] <ninjafish> stretched lobes, do you have a laptop? [08:31] <ghostdog> I am having problems with usb and firewire storage, for some reason it works randomly [08:31] <bender_> GrYpHoN work for ya? [08:31] <stretched_lobes> no buying one soon on ebay [08:31] <CyberMad> when i install from aptitude and search for new package tightvnc-server [08:31] <jbull> barongas: you need the gtk+ dev package installed--do you have it? [08:31] <qtpi> can anyone tell me what this means?: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1450 [08:31] <GrYpHoN> Duel boot. Ill have to boot in to ubuntu to find out [08:31] <stretched_lobes> found some that work with ubuntu [08:31] <CyberMad> there is letter c in front of tightvnc-server package and i press + but didn't effect anything [08:31] <CyberMad> i try install from debian package and there is an error too [08:31] <barongas> jbull: Yeah, noticed :) [08:31] <barongas> jbull: Thanks though [08:31] <other|pissed> wsmith: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1451 [08:32] <ghostdog> If I boot with the memory stick it works [08:32] <stretched_lobes> i have a real old sattelite [08:32] <CyberMad> yudi@earth:~/Backup$ vncserver [08:32] <CyberMad> Couldn't start Xvnc; trying default font path. [08:32] <CyberMad> Please set correct fontPath in the vncserver script. [08:32] <ninjafish> stretched lobes, reason I ask is that I sometimes take my linux laptop to the PC store when buying some accesories to see if they work on linux [08:32] <bender_> qtpi means the source file or sourceslist file has a bad line in it at line 28 or whatever [08:32] <CyberMad> please help me [08:32] <ghostdog> if not, then nothing happens unless I restart hotplug [08:32] <stretched_lobes> no cd drive only uses backpack cd cannot find one to support it [08:32] <qtpi> line 28 says deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian/ . [08:33] <makhan> if someone could help me, that'd be great, my sound doesn't work. [08:33] <stretched_lobes> yes that sounds good [08:33] <dalamar> theres good info on the web about linux compatible mp3 players as well [08:33] <wsmith> other|pissed, it's not the numerals, it's the spaces [08:33] <stizoner> something has gone totally wrong, media:/ shows empty now, none of my partitions are showing, just blank [08:33] <wsmith> other|pissed, for each in *.wav ; do lame -h "$each" ; done [08:34] <Rebs> the 5.04 starer guide is up to date right? [08:34] <makhan> no, when I go to a webpage that has videos, I cannot hear anything. [08:34] <ninjafish> grython, if you have issues still I am happy to help as I have been though the same problems [08:34] <makhan> help? [08:34] <makhan> anyone? [08:34] <wsmith> makhan, ps ax | grep esd [08:34] <snippy> how can I remove a directory? [08:34] <snippy> or rename? [08:34] <wsmith> makhan, get anything? [08:34] <makhan> wsmith, do I do that in terminal? [08:34] <wsmith> snippy, mv <dir> [08:34] <qtpi> How would I fix a sources.list file; I overwrote a few lines that were in there and this seems to be causing a problem when i try installing a codec [08:34] <wsmith> snippy, rm -r <dir> [08:35] <wsmith> makhan, yes [08:35] <webby> hi [08:35] <wsmith> qtpi, did you get the sources.list from ubuntuguide.org [08:35] <Ng> qtpi: remvoe the broken ones and re-add them [08:35] <qtpi> wsmith: i got it from an ubuntu forum [08:35] <jbull> anyone running breezy have issues with fonts in firefox? [08:36] <mdz> leonel: you need to modify the apt configuration to point to breezy, and then dist-upgrade. I believe there's a howto in the wiki somewhere [08:36] <wsmith> qtpi, If you are installing basic stuff from the universe, multiverse and backports, just grab a new copy from ubuntuguide.org [08:36] <stizoner> media:/ shows empty now, none of my partitions are showing, just blank, i cant get my files ! /me runs around scared [08:36] <leonel> I was asking if there's any special thing to keep in mind [08:36] <leonel> mdz, thanks [08:36] <wsmith> makhan, any luck? [08:37] <stretched_lobes> thanks a lot for the help [08:37] <makhan> wsmith, what i got from that was : 6736 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeebs [08:37] <makhan> that's the first line, anyways. [08:37] <qtpi> wsmith: where exactly on that site is the file [08:37] <qtpi> ahh i found it [08:37] <HappyFool> nobeeps, presumaby -- unless it's anti-bbc ;) [08:37] <Jhair> shouldn't the realplayer installer be in multiverse at least? [08:37] <makhan> then another: 7113 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep esd [08:37] <makhan> that's it. [08:37] <wsmith> makhan, good. now, your media player is most likely using oss to try to get to the sound card (which esd has stolen) [08:38] <letschatt> hi everyone [08:38] <wsmith> makhan, which plugin are you using to view movies mplayer? [08:38] <Ng> Jhair: I think there is one, but it's for an old version of realplayer [08:38] <letschatt> my ubuntu firefox loads really fast but the response of the application on opening new tabs, scrolling and page loading (back, forward) is SH*T. will anyone mind helping? [08:38] <makhan> oh, it's not that, I still need to DL a plugin. I'm talking about regular files on the net, such as Homestarrunner. [08:39] <wsmith> makhan, ah [08:39] <letschatt> i need someone 's help in cutting the pork on my file system. my windows installation is about 1.8 gigs. The linux is 1.4 that's huge [08:39] <wsmith> anyone know if ubuntu turns on alsa dmix by default? [08:39] <ninjafish> letschatt, thats tiny [08:39] <Ng> letschatt: run synaptic, ask it to show you packages with installed status, then remove the ones you don't want, if any [08:40] <Jhair> Ng, yes I added multiverse to my apt sources (tried with different mirrors) and seems realplayer isn't there anymore... [08:40] <letschatt> Ng.. did a lot of that. i think 1.4 gigs on linux is massive. In 2003 i was running woody with kde 2.2 on only 750 megs [08:40] <stizoner> media:/ shows empty now, none of my partitions are showing, no floppy, no cd, nothing just blank, i cant get my files [08:40] <letschatt> now i have gnome on 5.04 hoary. KDE blows goats now it's nothing but bloatware [08:41] <Ng> Jhair: I see a package called realplayer in multiverse here [08:41] <Jhair> ubuntu has a page to search for package though and AFAIK realplay is still listed there [08:41] <letschatt> i wouldn't mind getting some help with my firefox app response times [08:41] <darkheart> letschatt Some might say gnome is bloated too =) [08:41] <tristanmike> good-day all [08:41] <letschatt> haha well in university while i was doing my CS degree i used ion.. best ever! [08:41] <martin-> Need some help: got an ATI all in wonder with TV functionality. i downloaded tvtime but now i need to choose the device somehow. Anyone knows what to do? [08:41] <Ng> letschatt: meh, it's only 1.4gb and you can cut it down to way less than that if you can be arsed, but what do you gain? ;) [08:41] <Ex-Cyber> I'm having trouble building a mips-elf targeted binutils 2.9.1... configure goes okay but when I run make I get this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1452 ... what's going on here? [08:42] <letschatt> Ng i think we can lay down the linux (faster) myth to waste now. why does linux boot slower, and loads apps slower with slower response times [08:42] <stizoner> hiyah [08:42] <makhan> wsmith, any other advice you could give me? [08:42] <ninjafish> is the guy who was having broadcom troubles still here?? [08:42] <Jhair> Ng, are you using hoary? could you please show me the server you are using on your sources.list? [08:42] <wsmith> makhan, one sec... [08:42] <letschatt> i type ctrl ++ and firefox took 3 seconds to work its way [08:42] <HappyFool> stizoner: i don't have a 'media:/' -- i do have a 'computer:///' though (i presume this is in nautilus) [08:42] <Ng> letschatt: I don't care for myths, I use Linux because it's better [08:42] <makhan> ok. [08:42] <HappyFool> !repos [08:42] <ubotu> somebody said repos was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [08:42] <letschatt> ninjafish i was the guy with broadcom trouble [08:42] <letschatt> but i fixed em now [08:42] <HappyFool> Jhair: the second like ubotu posted has an examples sources.list [08:43] <Ng> Jhair: yup, hoary. my sources.list is www.pointlessrubbish.net/sources.list [08:43] <Rebs> how come flashplayer isn't found, tryna follow the starter guide , unless its out of date? [08:43] <ninjafish> did you chabge your nick? [08:43] <letschatt> linux is better because of its immense flexibility and its free but it lays waste to older machines like mine [08:43] <darkheart> Rebs You might need some repositories added. [08:43] <dalamar> you probably dont have the repo that flash is in [08:43] <Rebs> im using the sample sources list from the guide [08:43] <GoClick> Is there a way to move all of my Thunderbird 1.0.6 settings from my windows machine to my Linux machine? [08:43] <HappyFool> Rebs: you can read the restricted-formats page on the wiki for installing flash (see ubotu below) [08:43] <letschatt> windows 2000 runs faster on my computer and I KNOW FOR SURE i can get this sucker to run faster than windows i am just no an expert yet [08:43] <HappyFool> !restricted [08:43] <ubotu> restricted is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [08:44] <letschatt> Goclick there is [08:44] <Ng> letschatt: you can't compare a gnome release from 4 months ago with windows *2000* [08:44] <Ng> letschatt: use xfce [08:44] <stizoner> click system icon, select storage media, and its empty, i cant get 2 any my partitions and get my files, nothing is listed in the window HappyFool [08:44] <leonel> dist-upgrade in progress... [08:44] <Ng> anyway, I'm outta here [08:44] <Jhair> Ng, thanks [08:44] <letschatt> look in your profile folder.. move all of your profile files to a drive letter and change the path names [08:44] <sly> wanting some help setting up net sharing on good ol ubuntu [08:44] <HappyFool> stizoner: 'system icon' ? where's that? [08:45] <ninjafish> linux is better because there are less dependancies (view the processes running on XP to prove this). [08:45] <letschatt> Ng: it's not just gnome buddy linux boots a lot slower too that hogplug BS takes 8-10 seconds to work [08:45] <GoClick> letschatt is it aq pain in the bum? [08:45] <thesamet> does anyone else have strange window blinks in breezy? [08:45] <letschatt> aq? [08:45] <sly> any takers :) ? ...... im connected to net via 1 port router.................. got another pc connected to me via eth1 . firestarter installed [08:45] <sly> as far as ive got :) [08:45] <letschatt> i've used bum to turn off weird and silly daemons [08:45] <darkheart> sly Why not connect both computers to the router? [08:45] <CyberMad> do you know where to find free proxy (8080) ? [08:46] <wsmith> makhan, Ok. the crux of the matter is that flash needs exclusive access to your sound card. esd already has exclusive access. neither like sharing [08:46] <makhan> ok, so how do I have both? [08:46] <sly> * sly any takers :) ? ...... im connected to net via 1 port router * no hub and the router is downstairs with not enough cable when both pc's are in the loft [08:46] <makhan> is it possible? [08:46] <martin-> i have 2 /dev/video? devices, how can i see whichone is what? [08:46] <surfdue> um [08:46] <surfdue> linphone is outdated [08:46] <surfdue> on your apt-get [08:46] <surfdue> what should i do? [08:47] <letschatt> so who here is running on a machine similar to mine (ATHLON 600 K7, 256MB, 60 + 17 GB, 802.11G, MATROX G450 32MB) [08:47] <JoRock> can anyone recommend a good full site for my apt list [08:47] <JoRock> ? [08:47] <bender_> sly what is the problem? [08:47] <GoClick> letschatt how do I move my settings, especially account settings [08:47] <Radamanthys> I need to mount my optical drives (cd and cd-rw) [08:47] <letschatt> JOROCK use synaptic to add sources [08:47] <wsmith> makhan, either you can turn off esd (you'll lose ubuntu gnome sounds) and restart mozilla, or I can go into an extremely involved process of getting alsa dmix working [08:47] <HappyFool> !repos [08:47] <ubotu> rumour has it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [08:47] <surfdue> linphone is outdated [08:47] <bender_> JoRock an awsome site is google.com [08:47] <surfdue> what do i do [08:47] <ninjafish> letschatt, you have a zv5000 yes? have you got the scrollbar on the touchpad working? [08:47] <JoRock> lol thanks bender_ [08:47] <HappyFool> JoRock: the recond link ubotu posts has a complete /etc/apt/sources.list; or you can read the first one for more information [08:48] <makhan> right, thanks. [08:48] <stizoner> ok whatever weird powers that fixed that... thanks, i was just sitting here all sudden here my floppy drive access and my cdrom spin and BAM my paritions show up :D [08:48] <makhan> what's a easy way of turning off esd? [08:48] <letschatt> no, no zv5000 [08:48] <bender_> UGH!!!! [08:48] <letschatt> i am on a desktop [08:48] <Radamanthys> Help me [08:48] <bender_> i cant wait to get my HP ZV6000!!! [08:48] <Ex-Cyber> makhan: at prompt: killall esd [08:48] <letschatt> put in a disk radamanthys [08:48] <makhan> and, after that, will DVD movies be able to play sound, now that esd is dead? [08:48] <letschatt> then try /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd [08:48] <dalamar> thats what they consider stable in the repo, if you want the newest linphone out you'll have to look for a .deb on the web and install it yourself [08:48] <surfdue> !!!bug!!!report!!! lin phone version is outdated. [08:48] <ubotu> that's too long, surfdue [08:48] <surfdue> by 2 years [08:49] <ninjafish> letschatt, ok. I am getting confused now. there was someone with a zv5000 earlier nm [08:49] <John> Hello, I have a problem with wirelles card in my laptop. The drivers is installed but I don't recieve or send anything [08:49] <bender_> why dont you just "dmesg | more" and seach where it initialized and placed the damn drive [08:49] <Ex-Cyber> makhan: generally as long as some ill-behaved app such as flash player is hogging your soundcard nothing else will play sound [08:49] <letschatt> but you could help me with something else :) [08:49] <Radamanthys> letschatt, I can't configure this devices [08:49] <letschatt> i need a good website to optimize ubuntu so it runs on par with windows atleast [08:49] <makhan> ok. [08:49] <ohay> does someone know how to configure services on ubuntu? [08:49] <makhan> hm. [08:49] <bender_> ohhhh hey!!! [08:49] <Grat> ohay what services? [08:49] <bender_> woohoo im get to eat today!!! [08:50] <Revelation> ;P [08:50] <bender_> *i [08:50] <ohay> I mean graphically (like for dummies) [08:50] <bender_> this prison sucks [08:50] <wsmith> makhan, I believe the problem stems from a holdover from debian. Dunno why everything hasn't been switched to use alsa or the aoss wrapper by default. [08:50] <HappyFool> !bum [08:50] <ubotu> bum is, like, a graphical BootUp Manager; see http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html [08:50] <stizoner> im a dummie so i dont know [08:50] <Revelation> +bender_ agreed [08:50] <ninjafish> letschatt, sorry I do not know of such a website [08:50] <Revelation> :p [08:50] <bender_> we only get basic 256k down... and a crap rental laptop. [08:50] <HappyFool> ohay: bum might be what you want (see ubotu's post above) [08:50] <Revelation> +why all talking like this ? ;> [08:50] <juanej> is there anyway to reconfigure ubuntu? [08:50] <GoClick> letschatt how can I move my Thunderbird 1.0.6 settings and accounts from my Windows machine to my Ubuntu machine? [08:51] <Grat> ohay: what services? [08:51] <bender_> Revelation you in prison also? [08:51] <Webby`> Hi, I'm having trouble starting up crossover. It just hangs and never starts up [08:51] <juanej> Im getting a lot of errors with synaptic [08:51] <ninjafish> juanej, /etc [08:51] <Webby`> I'm using Breezy [08:51] <Revelation> -bender_: naah was released for some days ago ;) [08:51] <Webby`> Could that be the problem? [08:51] <letschatt> :( ubuntu is slower than win 2000 what a shame i still can't make the switch [08:51] <ohay> I mean, somewhere I can click on a checkbox for every service. Like a runlevel editor [08:51] <bender_> Revelation what were you in for [08:51] <ohay> Grat: I want to run sshd [08:51] <Revelation> -bender_: some hacking :\ :p [08:51] <juanej> maybe deleting my account and creating a new one? [08:52] <bender_> Revelation my ass [08:52] <HappyFool> juanej: what errors? [08:52] <ninjafish> juanej what errors? [08:52] <juanej> Uhmm [08:52] <Revelation> -bender_: actually its real :p [08:52] <Webby`> Can anyone see me???? [08:52] <wsmith> Webby`, no [08:52] <Paganini> Nope. [08:52] <osfameron> me neither [08:52] <Paganini> You're invisible. [08:52] <Paganini> ;p [08:52] <Webby`> ok [08:52] <Webby`> lol [08:52] <juanej> broken packages [08:52] <ninjafish> Webby I can hear you though [08:52] <Revelation> -;P [08:53] <wsmith> ohay, sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start [08:53] <juanej> E: Internal error opening cache (1). Please report. [08:53] <wsmith> ohay, but I've never used the gui thingy [08:53] <juanej> i want to start over [08:53] <bender_> what did you get caught doing hacking wise Revelation [08:53] <wsmith> Webby`, dunno if anyone here has that combination (breezy + crossover) [08:53] <HappyFool> juanej: hmm. that doesn't sound good [08:53] <ohay> wsmith: the thing is that I'm kinda lazy, :P [08:53] <juanej> HappyFool: how do i start over? [08:54] <Webby`> So I should use Hoary? [08:54] <juanej> without reinstalling [08:54] <Cletus> hey, i just installed ubuntu and it's telling me that i need to insert the install cd when i try to install some packages via aptitude [08:54] <wsmith> ohay, on startup, sudo update-rc.d ssh defaults [08:54] <wsmith> s/on/for/ [08:54] <Cletus> the cd isn't in my apt sources, why is it asking this? [08:54] <ohay> so, is there a graphical runlevel editor or something? [08:54] <bender_> Revelation your in germany.. they dont do that [08:54] <wsmith> Cletus, you probably need to apt-get update [08:54] <Cletus> i've done that wsmith [08:54] <dalamar> yeah the using the install cd bit i dont like at all, it only asks for it on some programs [08:54] <wsmith> ohay, I think ubuntuguide.org has something about that... [08:55] <juanej> so? [08:55] <Cletus> i've been using debian for a few years now and i've never had anything like this happen [08:55] <ninjafish> Cletus, look at the repositories list in sypnatic [08:55] <ninjafish> is it there [08:55] <HappyFool> juanej: maybe you can try 'sudo apt-get clean' at the command line [08:55] <samu> yeah, that happened to me a few times as well [08:55] <HappyFool> juanej: i'm afraid i'm not familiar with that error [08:55] <ohay> oh I forgot to say I'm using the default gnome and everything installation, not really tweaked or anything [08:55] <Node> Hey - I just tried the Ubuntu "breezy" live CD and it hung when starting the hotplug subsystem. Anybody else here using a Shuttle ST20G5 experience this ? [08:55] <Cletus> it's in the repositories in synaptic, thanks ninjafish [08:55] <HappyFool> ohay: did you see the link to bum ubotu posted? It sounds like that is what you want [08:55] <HappyFool> !bum [08:55] <ubotu> [bum] a graphical BootUp Manager; see http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html [08:56] <Cletus> i don't use synaptic so i would have never checked there [08:56] <juanej> what about reconfiguring ubuntu to the default config [08:56] <oonoon> Hi everybody ; Ive just switched on my computer and when i want to see a preview of a screensaver, it is extremely slow ; how can i find the thing that makes my computer so busy even though nothing has yet been done [08:56] <ohay> ubotu: is this already installed with ubuntu? [08:56] <ubotu> ohay: Did you get hit by a windmill? [08:56] <dalamar> its probably a GL screensaver and you dont have drivers installed for it [08:56] <HappyFool> ohay: ubotu is a bot; and the answer is no. Go to the URL [08:56] <juanej> damn, im gonna delete my account and create a new one [08:56] <wsmith> oonoon, first, do Applications->System Tools->System Monitor [08:57] <bender_> Revelation ....? still there :) [08:57] <wsmith> ohay, http://ubuntuguide.org/#permanentlydisableenableboot-upservices [08:57] <oonoon> wsmith, yeah , did ti [08:57] <wsmith> mm. got beat to that one [08:57] <ohay> wsmith: ok I'll take a look. I forgot that I had downloaded the entire guide, hehe [08:57] <wsmith> oonoon, anything hogging cpu? [08:57] <ninjafish> juanej that will not work [08:57] <juanej> so what can i do? [08:58] <juanej> i really dont want to reinstall [08:58] <HappyFool> juanej: did you try 'apt-get clean' ? you could also move the contents /var/cache/apt [08:58] <juanej> doesnt work [08:58] <ninjafish> I am sorry I am not being helpfull but if there is a problem with any application it will cause problems for all users [08:58] <ninjafish> usually [08:58] <bender_> Revelation :) give me an msg back sometime :) [08:59] <oonoon> wmith, that's weird, i've got some activity (max 30% CPU) ; when i start this screensaver preview it jumps to 100% and goes slow [08:59] <juanej> i think im gonna have to reinstall :S [08:59] <Benix> hi [08:59] <oonoon> wsmith, that's weird, i've got some activity (max 30% CPU) ; when i start this screensaver preview it jumps to 100% and goes slow [08:59] <wsmith> oonoon, you don't have gl acceleration enabled. [08:59] <bender_> oonoon thats cuz you dont have gl accell on [08:59] <dalamar> is it a gl screensaver? and do you have 3d drivers installed? [08:59] <bender_> jeez [08:59] <bender_> newbs [08:59] <wsmith> oonoon, pop open a terminal and type glxinfo [08:59] <GoClick> DNS on my ubuntu system seem messed up it takes maybe 20 seconds to resolve any host [08:59] <GoClick> Some apps like xChat don't seem to be able to do it at all [08:59] <wsmith> bender_, you *are* in the noob channel [09:00] <GoClick> And then randomly they will [09:00] <ninjafish> juanej try a simple apt-get -update [09:00] <bender_> wsmith i know i was just joking :) [09:00] <oonoon> wsmith : yeah, done, but there's much stuff 'direct rendering : no' , thats what you expected ? [09:00] <stizoner> yeah GoClick i noticed that and set it manually since i have a router that i allways connect same ip [09:00] <wsmith> bender_, me too :) [09:00] <bender_> this is the only server i can get on for some reason [09:00] <wsmith> oonoon, yes [09:00] <ninjafish> then try to remove all repositories and add them again [09:00] <oonoon> wsmith : so, that's ok ? [09:00] <ninjafish> and apt-get -update again [09:00] <wsmith> oonoon, no, you don't have accelerated X. how familiar are you at mucking around in xorg.conf? [09:01] <ninjafish> (sorry apt-get -update after removing all reps) [09:01] <llpamies> Somebody that are using breezy can tell me if totem-xine depends of libcairo1 ? [09:01] <juanej> damn, im gonna reinstall, thx anyway [09:02] <thechitowncubss> is firefox going to start faster on breezy? [09:02] <dubnium> question, besides real player? which apps can play .ra/.ram? [09:02] <wsmith> thechitowncubss, stupid cubs. anyways are you referring to a prelink or the whole ipv6 thing? [09:02] <oonoon> wsmith : i've got some experience, spend some weeks to try to install my nvidia card (which, at the end, doesn't work yet :-)) [09:02] <wsmith> dubnium, helix player [09:02] <thechitowncubss> wsmith, actually i'm referring to firefox's slow startup compared to windows [09:03] <HappyFool> oonoon: the instructions on the wiki don't work for you? [09:03] <wsmith> oonoon, you probably need the nvidia binary driver. check ubuntuguide.org [09:03] <HappyFool> !nvidia [09:03] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29 [09:03] <thechitowncubss> !nvidia [09:03] <thechitowncubss> hey [09:03] <kyncani> llpamies: you can see totem-xine dependencies here http://packages.ubuntu.com/ [09:03] <dubnium> wsmith, i thought helix could not stream? [09:03] <wsmith> !cubs [09:03] <ubotu> No idea, wsmith [09:03] <wsmith> dubnium, I dunno. I have no experience [09:04] <oonoon> HappyFool, wsmith : tried with ubuntu package, and with the drivers on nvidia website, nothing worked, got the same blank screen and impossible to quit X, got the eternal blank screen [09:04] <thechitowncubss> !cubs are the best team in the world [09:04] <ubotu> okay, thechitowncubss [09:04] <thechitowncubss> !cubs [09:04] <ubotu> cubs are the best team in the world [09:04] <wsmith> !sox rule [09:04] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, wsmith [09:04] <wsmith> !sox [09:04] <ubotu> wsmith: I haven't a clue [09:04] <wsmith> stupid bot [09:04] <thechitowncubss> thats what i thought [09:04] <HappyFool> oonoon: hmm [09:04] <HappyFool> oonoon: you've looked in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for error messages? [09:04] <wsmith> thechitowncubss, obviously in chicago. which part? [09:04] <llpamies> kyncani: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/gnome/totem-xine What happen ?? Why libcairo is not avaiable ?? I has my system broken ! [09:05] <thechitowncubss> NW suburbs [09:05] <GoClick2> test [09:05] <wsmith> oonoon, my suggestion, live with it unless you have all weekend free to muck with it. [09:05] <oonoon> HappyFool : tried, but i dont understand much in this area ; got to go, be back in2 hours [09:05] <oonoon> wsmith : i came to the same conclusion :-) [09:06] <thechitowncubss> wsmith, are you from chitown? [09:06] <wsmith> thechitowncubss, sw burbs [09:06] <thechitowncubss> figures [09:06] <wsmith> lol [09:06] <Bjorn`Food> is cedega free [09:06] <Bjorn`Food> ? [09:07] <wsmith> Bjorn`Food, kinda. once you pay for it, it is [09:07] <kyncani> llpamies: what do you mean your system is broken ? if a package (like totem-xine) has unavailable dependencies (like libcairo1), then this package is simply not installed/upgraded, and nothing is broken [09:07] <wsmith> Bjorn`Food, but seriously, they keep a *really* old version free [09:07] <Bjorn`Food> this sucks =/ [09:07] <wsmith> Bjorn`Food, it's only $15! [09:07] <Bjorn`Food> Well [09:07] <Webby`> lol [09:07] <dalamar> use wine [09:07] <Bjorn`Food> i'm only 16 lol [09:07] <Ex-Cyber> Bjorn`Food: yes and no... there is a "free" CVS repo that Transgaming has threatened to shut down if too many people use it, but generally you need to subscribe [09:07] <wsmith> Bjorn`Food, you have a mom, no? [09:07] <Bjorn`Food> :) [09:07] <maximaus> best place to grab a Ubuntu torrent? [09:08] <dalamar> mow some lawns ;) [09:08] <wsmith> rofl [09:08] <tristanmike> Does anyone know "cdcat"? [09:08] <Bjorn`Food> i can use the debian builds on ubuntu too ? [09:08] <letschatt> would anyone help me with a very slow firefox response time on ubuntu? [09:08] <wsmith> man, I *really* have to get some work done today. Hate to think I'm getting paid to IRC all day [09:09] <letschatt> Bjorn`Food, don't that's what i've heard [09:09] <wsmith> letschatt, how so? [09:09] <cheleb> maximaus: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com [09:09] <wsmith> letschatt, startup or in use? [09:09] <dalamar> they work [09:09] <Bjorn`Food> i'll try wine [09:09] <dalamar> Bjorn`Food, what are you trying to run? [09:10] <maximaus> cheleb: thanks :thumbsup: [09:10] <letschatt> wsmith, it starts faster than in windows [09:10] <alxarch> hi i need some help with setting up my soundcard (dpkg produces an error) [09:10] <letschatt> wsmith, i run a 5.5 year old computer on which win 2k blazes in app response time.. but not on ubuntu [09:11] <kcidx> what deb package has glxgears and glxinfo [09:11] <wsmith> letschatt, win2k has that preloader guy running all the time [09:11] <letschatt> wsmith, firefox takes 4-5 seconds to load tabs and sometimes 3-5 seconds for ctrl+ + to return [09:11] <letschatt> but app response times are horrible in ubuntu once they're up [09:11] <alxarch> hi i need some help with setting up my soundcard (dpkg produces an error) anybody? [09:12] <Ex-Cyber> kcidx: xbase-clients [09:12] <letschatt> what kinda card alxarch [09:12] <letschatt> ? [09:13] <alxarch> intel hda [09:13] <Ex-Cyber> kcidx: for future reference: dpkg -S filename [09:13] <alxarch> on 915g chipset [09:13] <letschatt> 2 years ago i wasted days and nights to get my sound card to produce bass and trbl controls which i only got through alsa [09:13] <letschatt> alxarch it's an exercise in research. you'll have to go to alsa's website and try many different things. [09:14] <kcidx> ex, thanks [09:14] <kcidx> ex-cy, thanks [09:14] <kcidx> oo name completion not working [09:14] <wsmith> letschatt, cheap hack to make firefox start faster: 1. sudo apt-get install prelink 2. LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins:/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins:/usr/lib sudo prelink ./firefox-bin [09:14] <wsmith> in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox [09:14] <wsmith> but I dunno if it'll help much [09:15] <letschatt> wsmith, it's not the startup it never was. but firefox is about 1/3 to 1/5 the speed in response time compared to win2k [09:15] <letschatt> i am thinking about nice on firefox [09:16] <letschatt> a friend installed ubuntu on his laptop and he said movies were playing frame by frame [09:16] <wsmith> letschatt, also go to about:config and enable disableIPv6 [09:16] <Jhair> letschatt, maybe ha has an slow laptop [09:16] <Jhair> s/ha/he [09:16] <Ex-Cyber> letschatt: the last time I had a problem like that it was actually due to my video chip overheating... if you're running dual-boot 2K and nothing happens in 2K though that's probably not it [09:16] <letschatt> Jhair, no in windows things run fine and fast [09:17] <qtpi> I'm having problems with my sound. I just managed to get my sound card to work properly with ubuntu but cannot change the volume of any mp3 that I play. I tried to change it in mplayer and in Volume Control, but the volume stays at the same level. Any ideas on what's causing this? [09:17] <Ex-Cyber> letschatt: how much RAM do you have? [09:17] <wsmith> qtpi, did you increase the volume of the dsp channel? [09:17] <Spudchat> how do i make a balnk txt document and save it? [09:17] <letschatt> Ex-Cyber, i have a fan on my matrox g450 on top of the cpu.. an athlon cpu and fast graphics card requires a hovercraft fan damnit [09:17] <Spudchat> blank* [09:17] <juanej> its me again, when i am partitioning with the ubuntu tool on the installer there are 3 partitions [09:18] <juanej> how do i change hda number? [09:18] <letschatt> 256 but windows' app response times are far far better.. i mean amsn just gives up :) [09:18] <wsmith> Spudchat, Applications->Accessories->Text Editor [09:18] <hardw1re> what issue do i have to give to install the gnome desktop environment? [09:18] <Ex-Cyber> my memory could be fuzzy but I think gnome sucks down a heck of a lot more RAM than 2K explorer.exe, heh [09:18] <wsmith> Spudchat, the File->Save [09:18] <qtpi> wsmith: how would i do that [09:18] <Spudchat> naw im workin on my friends debian system [09:18] <Spudchat> and everytime i try to save a config i made it says no such file [09:18] <letschatt> lol yeah i believe so but even in ion (the most lightweight wm) firefox is cursed [09:18] <hardw1re> !gnome [09:18] <ubotu> somebody said gnome was an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users. see http://gnome.org for details. [09:18] <wsmith> qtpi, right-click on the volume control in your systray and go to open volume control [09:19] <Rebs> ./configure: line 2200: g++: command not found [09:19] <Rebs> any clue? [09:19] <Xenguy> Spudchat: touch <filename> [09:19] <spola> pfft, kde>gnome [09:19] <wsmith> Spudchat, are you typing in a full path? if the directory doesn't exist you'll get that [09:19] <qtpi> wsmith: there is no dsp channel listed there [09:19] <wsmith> Rebs apt-get install build-essential [09:19] <Ex-Cyber> pfft, rio > kde [09:19] <Jhair> Rebs, install the command which has not been found [09:19] <xav_> hi... i'm using breezy for a while now and i'm having troubles with my ipod [09:19] <wsmith> qtpi, pcm, sorry [09:19] <spola> :) [09:20] <Rebs> thanks wsmith and Jhair [09:20] <letschatt> i hated gnome and stuck with kde but the new kde is not only a pig it's a pig with a load of lipstick and mascara on it. you can't work with it. it's huge and i hate xp or mac osx why would i want the two together? [09:20] <xav_> everything works fine except playing from ipod in rhythmbox [09:20] <Spudchat> im workin in my home and just wanna save a file [09:20] <qtpi> wsmith: increasing/decreasing pcm has no effect on volume [09:20] <xav_> it seems there are errors in handling for URI [09:20] <wsmith> qtpi, any other devices in File->Change Device ? [09:20] <xav_> after some research i think this might come from dbus [09:21] <qtpi> yes [09:21] <xav_> which should i be using dbus or dbus-1 [09:21] <qtpi> i have it set on the right device [09:21] <xav_> ?? [09:21] <wsmith> qtpi, repeat for each [09:21] <Spudchat> nevermind i got it [09:21] <qtpi> i just tried on all devices, no effect [09:21] <wsmith> qtpi, none whatsoever? [09:21] <ilba7r> !info breezy [09:22] <qtpi> no effect on volume at all [09:22] <spola> Ex-Cyber, whats rio? couldn't find anything relevant on freshmeat [09:22] <ilba7r> !breezy [09:22] <ubotu> rumour has it, breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/ [09:22] <hardw1re> anyone know how i can install the gnome desktop / gnome app's on breezy? [09:22] <jack|ass> anyone seen a problem when going from hoary->breezy where packages start demanding libcairo1 >= 0.3.0, which doesn't seem to exist in breezy? [09:22] <wsmith> qtpi, you're beyond me, now I'd try alsamixer and aumix [09:22] <Rebs> whats Libz? can't find it in synaptic [09:23] <wsmith> Rebs, the only package that doesn't follow debian naming guidelines zlib1g [09:23] <qtpi> already tried alsamixer, will try aumix [09:24] <qtpi> what's aumix? [09:24] <Radamanthys> Can I play Counter in Ubuntu? [09:24] <Rebs> bleh now it says it can't find x development [09:24] <wsmith> jack|ass, apt-get install libcairo2 ? [09:25] <hardw1re> Radamanthys: counter strike? [09:25] <Ex-Cyber> spola: it's the window system from Plan 9 4th edition... you can read that comment as having a </sarcasm> if you like ;) [09:25] <jack|ass> wsmith: yeah, but the packages are wanting libcairo1 specifically. [09:25] <wsmith> Rebs, apt-get install x-window-system-dev [09:25] <hardw1re> Radamanthys: yes you can run counter-strike/source, you'll need to go see this site: www.transgaming.com [09:25] <qtpi> is it possible to access a slave ntfs drive from ubuntu? [09:25] <hardw1re> (CPU): AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+: (Frequency): 1872.191MHz: (Cache): 512 KB: (Bogomips): 3710.97 [09:25] <wsmith> qtpi, yes, just mount it [09:26] <qtpi> how do i access it [09:26] <llpamies> kyncani: totem-xine, metacity .... a lot of packages depends of libcairo1, and it is not avaiable !!! [09:26] <wsmith> qtpi, have you mounted drives before? [09:26] <hardw1re> take a look at the file /proc/partitions [09:26] <qtpi> yes [09:26] <hardw1re> to find the precise location of it [09:26] <Rebs> checking for XOpenDisplay in -lX11... no [09:26] <llpamies> is a breezy bug ? [09:26] <qtpi> its just that i dont know how to access it since this is my 2nd day with unix/ubuntu [09:26] <wsmith> qtpi, then just mount /dev/hd<xyz> /mnt/ntfs and the files are in /mnt/nfs [09:26] <wsmith> /mnt/ntfs [09:26] <Radamanthys> hardw1re, thanks [09:26] <hardw1re> no probs Radamanthys [09:26] <wsmith> qtpi, so is it mounted? [09:26] <kyncani> llpamies: breezy is not out yet, expect it to be broken until then, and use hoary if you want a stable system [09:27] <qtpi> that wont delete anything, will it? [09:27] <Ex-Cyber> where can I find a hoary-compatible unrar-nonfree? [09:27] <hardw1re> a wot? [09:27] <spola> Ex-Cyber, oh .. lol, figures i couldn't find it on freshmeat [09:27] <Ex-Cyber> (or more generally any tool that would work with the newer .rar format) [09:27] <Radamanthys> Ex-Cyber, this is a good question [09:27] <wsmith> qtpi, no. it is (still?) recommended to mount ntfs drives as read-only, though [09:27] <Webby`> I better download Hoary [09:27] <Radamanthys> Winamp and Winrar for linux [09:27] <Webby`> Breezy is buggy on my system [09:27] <llpamies> kyncani: yes, I know it, but how is possible that other people has breeze running .... [09:27] <hardw1re> im using breezy purely cause i was having trouble with getting the 2.6.12 kernel etc. [09:28] <llpamies> kyncani: can You send me your libcairo1 from your apt/cache ? [09:28] <hardw1re> and on breezy there is an nvidia module for that kernel too [09:28] <Ex-Cyber> I suspect the debian testing unrar-nonfree will work but haven't tried it yet (dialup)... unstable had a newer libc dep [09:28] <GoClick2> FireFox won't start, I uninstalled it and Reinstalled it with Synaptic and now I seem to be hooped [09:28] <kyncani> llpamies: i'm _not_ using breezy (because it's broken) [09:28] <qtpi> mount: can't find /dev/hdb in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab [09:28] <pestilence> Ex-Cyber: what's wrong with unrar-nonfree in multiverse? [09:29] <wsmith> GoClick2, mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla.bak [09:29] <hardw1re> qtpi: check /proc/partitions [09:29] <hardw1re> that will list all your partitions [09:29] <sly> hey sorry for not replying hit ot sorted [09:29] <llpamies> anybody can tell me where I can get a libcairo1 deb ? [09:29] <Ex-Cyber> pestilence: if it's in multiverse my indexes are probably broken again.. I'll try again, thanks [09:29] <sly> whats that that shooting game [09:30] <GoClick2> wsmith, do you know where I should look for an error log or something? [09:30] <wsmith> GoClick2, if you start firefox from a terminal, it'll dump all kinds of output there [09:30] <boga> How can I have my cdrom auto-mounted? [09:30] <qtpi> bash: /proc/partitions: Permission denied [09:30] <surfdue> how do i generate ssh keys? [09:30] <juanej> hey how do i change the order of the partitions? [09:31] <wsmith> qtpi, cat /proc/partitions [09:31] <GoClick2> wsmith, I type FireFox at a term? [09:31] <osfameron> surfdue, ssh-keygen [09:31] <wsmith> GoClick2, without caps: firefox [09:31] <GoClick2> it just returns [09:31] <juanej> I have 3 partitions, ext2, swap and a 34gb FAT32 [09:31] <qtpi> yes, the drives showed up [09:31] <reiki> ok I gotta ask. I been hammering away at trying to get Spamassassin working with Evolution and it's a real pain in the butt. What are y'all using in Ubuntu for email and how are you handling spam? [09:31] <wsmith> juanej, you can use parted, but that's trixsy [09:31] <hardw1re> yeah now you can work out which is your ntfs drive [09:31] <wsmith> qtpi, which hd<x> is it? [09:31] <fred_e> Hey guys..whenever i put wlan0 i can no longer ping localhost..anyone know why this could be? [09:31] <Ex-Cyber> sly: "that shooting game"? [09:31] <hardw1re> and do a mkdir some where to mount that hd device to [09:32] <juanej> wsmith: i have gparted [09:32] <qtpi> hdb [09:32] <qtpi> theres hdb and hdb1 [09:32] <sly> its ok i rememberd :) [09:32] <sly> chronium [09:32] <wsmith> juanej, I would sincerely recommend against it. It is really easy to lose your entire drive. [09:32] <boga> How can I have my cdrom auto-mounted? [09:32] <jack|ass> argh... ok, so is anyone having the same problem with 'libcairo2' not being seen as superceding 'libcairo1' as a dependency? [09:32] <Bjorn`Food> whats the apt to wine ? [09:32] <hardw1re> oooh i tell you one thing i have noticed from going from hoary to breezy, my sata drives will now mount on boot instead of having to mount them once i get into kde [09:32] <wsmith> qtpi: ok. now, do this: sudo mkdir /mnt/hdb1 [09:33] <juanej> wsmith: i want to format the ext2 and swap to install again [09:33] <wsmith> qtpi, then mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1 -o ro [09:33] <juanej> but the hda number is not correct [09:33] <jack|ass> is there a different breezy repository i should be using? [09:33] <wsmith> juanej, I don't follow [09:33] <juanej> for ext 2 is hda2, for swap is hda 6 and for the fat32 is hda5 [09:33] <surfdue> please can someone tell me how to generate ssh keys [09:34] <thrice`> juanej, then what's your question? [09:34] <surfdue> please its an emergency [09:34] <juanej> i want to have hda1 for ext2, hda2 for swap and hda3 for the fat32 [09:34] <pestilence> surfdue: ssh-keygen [09:34] <qtpi> mount: only root can do that [09:34] <wsmith> surfdue, man ssh-keygen [09:34] <wsmith> ssh-keygen -t rsa|dsa [09:34] <surfdue> i dont know what to choose [09:34] <surfdue> what to do [09:34] <juanej> when i use the partition tool of the installer it gives that numbers to the partitions [09:34] <wsmith> surfdue, what are these keys for? [09:34] <surfdue> someone to ssh into my box [09:34] <juanej> and there is a windows xp entry on grub [09:34] <juanej> i dont have windows installed [09:34] <wsmith> surfdue, passwordless? [09:34] <surfdue> sshd [09:34] <surfdue> see [09:34] <surfdue> true [09:34] <Radamanthys> How come to install the Winrar and Winamp for linux? [09:35] <surfdue> they willlogin via usersnames [09:35] <snippy> hey ppl.. [09:35] <pestilence> Radamanthys: Win* doesn't exist in linux. [09:35] <snippy> some still remember my partition problems.. lol.. [09:35] <wsmith> I see. Then as the user they will be logging in as, do ssh-keygen -t rsa [09:35] <wsmith> surfdue, then do ssh-keygen -t dsa [09:35] <pestilence> Radamanthys: xmms and unrar-nonfree are what you want [09:35] <Bjorn`Food> whats the apt line for WINE? [09:35] <wsmith> surfdue, just hit enter when asked where to put the files [09:35] <Radamanthys> pestilence, thats rigth this a equivalent [09:36] <surfdue> thank you [09:36] <wsmith> surfdue, but that's only half of the magic trick [09:36] <snippy> I decided to not use any ntfs crap for linux.. and just let ubuntu read the ntfs partition so I can copy some stuff on my actual partition.. like 20gb.. then delete the whole ntfs.. :/ [09:36] <surfdue> oh [09:36] <Ex-Cyber> Bjorn`Food: I'm not sure about an ubuntu-specific one, but maybe see if http://www.winehq.org has a link to a repo... [09:36] <surfdue> thenwhat? [09:36] <wsmith> surfdue, you have to get the *.pub from ~/.ssh to the end users [09:36] <surfdue> why [09:37] <surfdue> ssh never requered this before [09:37] <hardw1re> ooooh and also this kernel/breezy distro actually reports my cpu speed correctly! [09:37] <surfdue> on any other linux distro [09:37] <qtpi> wsmith: i mounted the drive, now how do i access it? [09:37] <wsmith> surfdue, your users need the *.pub files to login passwordless-ly [09:37] <pestilence> surfdue: if all you want is ssh, apt-get install openssh-server [09:37] <joseduenas> hello [09:37] <surfdue> i did pestilence [09:37] <juanej> what is the LVM thing on the ubuntu installation partition tool? [09:37] <joseduenas> anyone knows seahorse for gpg encryption ? [09:37] <surfdue> surfdue@ubuntu:/etc/init.d $ /etc/init.d/ssh start [09:37] <surfdue> * Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server... [09:37] <surfdue> Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key [09:37] <surfdue> Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key [09:37] <surfdue> Disabling protocol version 2. Could not load host key [09:37] <surfdue> *hd: no hostkeys available -- exiting. [fail] [09:37] <wsmith> qtpi, Places->Computer->Filesystem->mnt->ntfs [09:38] <surfdue> it needs, keys [09:38] <pestilence> surfdue: that's something different. [09:38] <qtpi> wsmith: i mounted the hard drive, now how do i access it? [09:38] <surfdue> oh [09:38] <surfdue> how do i fix this [09:38] <surfdue> its really an emergency [09:38] <surfdue> soorrry [09:38] <pestilence> surfdue: i would say apt-get install --reinstall openssh-server [09:38] <pestilence> or dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server [09:38] <GoClick> /echo $host [09:38] <GoClick> hrm [09:38] <surfdue> works [09:38] <surfdue> thanks [09:38] <pestilence> sure [09:39] <qtpi> wsmith: i dont have permission to access it [09:39] <joseduenas> it is supposed there is a plgin for gedit and nautilis packaged in seahorse... [09:39] <Scrawny1> whats the command to do a sudo search? [09:39] <juanej> hey wsmith [09:39] <wsmith> juanej, yessa? [09:39] <wsmith> qtpi, one sec [09:39] <juanej> on gparted i read that my HD is msdos type [09:39] <juanej> "DiskType: MSDOS" [09:40] <juanej> I see 4 partitions [09:40] <juanej> hda2 for ext2 [09:40] <juanej> hda 1 have hda6 and hda5 [09:40] <juanej> hda5 is for the fat32 [09:40] <snippy> damn I cant mount the NTFS partition [09:40] <juanej> hda6 for the swap [09:40] <snippy> someone tell me if I'm doing something wrong? [09:40] <Rebs> everytime i go to a flash site, mozilla dies [09:40] <snippy> I want it to show in nautilus [09:41] <wsmith> qtpi, sudo mount -o remount,umask=000,ro /mnt/ntfs [09:41] <pestilence> snippy: what is the error [09:41] <juanej> wsmith: it shouldnt be msdos type, should it? [09:41] <snippy> no error [09:41] <pestilence> snippy: then what do you mean, you can't mount it [09:41] <wsmith> wsmith, it's msdos as opposed to a mac or sparc system --> something completely not x86 [09:41] <snippy> pestilence I just mount it with mount -t /dev/hda5 /media/windows_c [09:41] <snippy> no output [09:41] <Radamanthys> In the xmms its adpated the equivalent of Amip [09:42] <snippy> but nautilus wont show the content of media/windows_c [09:42] <qtpi> wsmith: still have no permission [09:42] <pestilence> snippy: probably wrong permission. [09:42] <wsmith> juanej, I guess that could be better said as you File Allocation Table is msdos-based [09:42] <juanej> how do i change that? [09:42] <filip_> i have som mp3 that i whant to burn into an cd, how can i do? [09:42] <snippy> pestilence: yep thats what it says.. how can I change it? [09:42] <kirki> where can I get this stuf? (ubuntu) (please) [09:43] <Bjorn`Food> hmm [09:43] <Bjorn`Food> i've got the wine repos now [09:43] <Bjorn`Food> but when i want to install it [09:43] <Bjorn`Food> I get an error [09:43] <wsmith> juanej, you don't your machine will not work without it [09:43] <titanium> i need to be able to fully control the contents of a directory remotely (from a windows machine, full permissions to do anything). what's the best way to accomplish this? [09:43] <juanej> wsmith: but i dont have windows xp on it [09:43] <juanej> and grub stays showing i do [09:43] <wsmith> juanej, the disk type (as long as it's disk and not partition) as msdos is perfectly normal [09:44] <wsmith> juanej, so, all you want to do is get rid of the windows xp in grub? [09:44] <juanej> wsmith: and change the hda number [09:44] <kirki> does anybody can be kind and tell me: where can I get this stuf from? (ubuntu) [09:44] <snippy> pestilence? [09:44] <pestilence> snippy: snippy try mounting with umask=0555 [09:44] <juanej> i dont want a hda 6 for swap [09:44] <juanej> hda1 for ext2 hda2 for swap and hda3 for the fat32 [09:45] <wsmith> kirki: ubuntulinux.org? [09:45] <snippy> pestilence, whats the command? [09:45] <kirki> thanks a lot wsmith [09:45] <jbull> anyone had a go at compiling sonance/banshee from cvs recently? [09:45] <hardw1re> can xmms play shoutcast / mp3 streams? [09:45] <wsmith> hardw1re, yes [09:46] <juanej> wsmith: let me show u a screenshot of gparted [09:46] <JazyPPC> really. [09:46] <JazyPPC> can it play *.asx streams? [09:46] <steven__> how can i make cron to run a script i made everyday at 6:00 [09:46] <juanej> wsmith: http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/7551/screenshot5pu.png [09:46] <wsmith> qtpi, sudo mount -o remount,uid=1000,ro /mnt/ntfs [09:46] <Bjorn`Food> Does wine support amd 64 cpu's ? [09:47] <redguy> steven__: by reading man crontab ? [09:47] <wsmith> steven__, man 5 crontab [09:47] <wsmith> 00 06 * * * [09:47] <Ummmmm> bjorn: by support, if you mean run -- yes. Whether it supports full 64bit functionality -- I'm all ears [09:47] <qtpi> wsmith: still doesnt work [09:47] <qtpi> no permission to acces [09:47] <qtpi> access [09:47] <wsmith> qtpi, ??? [09:48] <pestilence> snippy: mount umask=0555 /dev/whatever /media/windows_c [09:48] <Bjorn`Food> Ummmmm, its because i can't install it [09:48] <Bjorn`Food> =/ [09:48] <qtpi> i cant access the mounted drive [09:48] <Bjorn`Food> I added the repos [09:48] <wsmith> qtpi, did I originally tell you to mount it in /mnt/hdb1 or /mnt/ntfs? [09:48] <Bjorn`Food> but i can't install wine [09:48] <qtpi> hdb1 i think [09:48] <juanej> wsmith: did u see my gparted? [09:48] <juanej> http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/7551/screenshot5pu.png [09:48] <wsmith> juanej, yes. [09:48] <juanej> something is wrong [09:48] <juanej> what is that hda1? [09:48] <wsmith> juanej, that's perfectly normal [09:48] <juanej> but why hda5 and 6 for my fat32 and swap? [09:48] <juanej> how do i change that? [09:49] <juanej> :( [09:49] <wsmith> juanej, back when ms-dos was a fledgling os, bill gates in his infinite wisdom decided to limit partitions to 4 [09:49] <wsmith> juanej, later, when people needed more, someone created a special partition type, called extended [09:49] <wsmith> juanej, which can hold more partitions [09:49] <juanej> where is hda3? where is hda4? [09:49] <pestilence> snippy: acutally, maybe it's mount /dev/whatever /media/windows_c umask=0002 [09:49] <juanej> i just have 3 partitions [09:50] <juanej> i dont need that extended type [09:50] <wsmith> juanej, the extended rules say so as to not interfere with the old school way of doing partitions, the ext ones would start at 5 [09:50] <juanej> uhmm [09:50] <juanej> what about making just swap not extended? [09:50] <juanej> can i do that? [09:51] <wsmith> juanej, you can try. I'm telling you that there is nothing wrong with your partitions other than you let an automated tool do it for you. (probably redhat's) [09:51] <snippy> pestilence, not working.. it says moint point error [09:51] <jbull> i'm trying to compile latest banshee from cvs but it spits this error on make install: "No rule to make target 'install-data-hook'...ideas? [09:51] <juanej> uhmmm, how do i run redhat's tool without installing it? [09:52] <snippy> mount: mount point umask=0002 does not exist [09:52] <wsmith> qtpi, sorry I've been telling you the wrong things [09:52] <steven__> wsmith thanks dude [09:52] <wsmith> snippy it's -o umask=0000 [09:52] <Ummmmm> I have a 120GB NTFS drive which needs to be converted to ext3... is there a tool to do that? [09:52] <Radamanthys> bye people [09:52] <wsmith> snippy, where 0000 is your umask ( don't forget the -o) [09:52] <Jhair> Ummmmm, the ubuntu installer does that [09:52] <wsmith> qtpi, sudo mount -o remount,umask=0000,ro /mnt/hdb1 [09:52] <hosler> Whats a good replacement for gaim? Gaim keeps having some sort of segmentation fault even when I completely remove it then reinstall it. [09:52] <snippy> mount: /dev/hda5 already mounted or /media/windows_c busy [09:52] <snippy> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda5 is already mounted on /media/windows_c [09:52] <snippy> how to unmount it? [09:52] <wsmith> Ummmmm, is it ext2 now? [09:53] <Radamanthys> How about the xmms on the Irc client? [09:53] <wsmith> snippy, umount /dev/hda5 [09:53] <Ummmmm> no it's ntfs [09:53] <wsmith> Ummmmm, mke2fs /dev/myusb [09:53] <wsmith> sorry [09:53] <wsmith> Ummmmm, mke2fs -j /dev/myusb [09:53] <hardw1re> hey does anyone know what needs to be isntall/running to get the cookie handler working? [09:53] <snippy> thanks guys, worked fine ;) [09:53] <heatxsink> hello all, how come everytime I reboot, /dev/dvd goes away? [09:53] <Ummmmm> will that wipe the drive? or convert the fs? [09:53] <wsmith> Ummmmm, wipe [09:53] <hosler> What is a good aol instant messenger program for linux that is not gaim? [09:53] <Ummmmm> I was hoping to avoid that ... :( [09:54] <wsmith> Ummmmm, If you want to convert, you have to copy locally, then format, then put back on [09:54] <jbull> hosler: far as i know there isn't one... [09:54] <wsmith> hosler, centericq [09:54] <hosler> wsmith, thanks. [09:54] <Ummmmm> sigh, thought so. Only problem is that I don't have 120gb spare on the network ... have to get another drive *sob* [09:54] <dcraven> hosler: you could always use a jabber client like gajim with a transport. [09:55] <wsmith> Ummmmm, as far as I know, there's no way to format a drive non-destructively [09:55] <wsmith> Ummmmm, best buy does refunds [09:55] <hosler> ok [09:55] <Ummmmm> thanks wsmith just gonna have to bite the bullet and do it the old-fashioned way ... [09:55] <Ummmmm> best buy? what?! [09:55] <Ummmmm> ah oic thanks [09:55] <Ummmmm> lol [09:56] <funkyHat> erk... i think i need to recompile alsa for that kernel update :S [09:56] <bina> I have a Nvidia GF4 Ti (i think its Ti at least) and I've isntalled the nvidia drivers through apt-get, however, the GL screensavers dont seem to load and Tux racer just seems to stop as soon as he starts to slide down the hill. Escape still works, so i dont think its the program crashing. Anyone know what could be causing this? [09:56] <sly> bina [09:57] <wsmith> bina, crashed into a wall? [09:57] <wsmith> qtpi, any luck? [09:58] <bina> wsmith: hehe, no, shamefully :). The road seems clear. I think it could be either my card or the drivers as it happened in FC4, and the screensavers arent working [09:58] <bina> im hoping its the drivers :) [09:58] <bina> although, i imigine i could live without tux racer :) [09:58] <wsmith> bina, well, if you glxinfo, is direct rendering: yes? [09:59] <bina> wsmith: ill check. never heard o that prog before :) [09:59] <bina> woah, lods of stuff [09:59] <james__> Can anybody tell me if I need to download drivers to get sound? [09:59] <wsmith> bina, 3rd line [09:59] <wsmith> james__, no [09:59] <bina> wsmith: yeah, direct rendering: Yes [09:59] <wsmith> james__, there aren't really any drivers to download [10:00] <wsmith> bina, cool. Your acceleration is working. However it seems that your drivers a mucked up. Using the proprietary or the open source ones? [10:00] <james__> I can't figure out why I have no sound [10:00] <wsmith> james__, what kind of soundcard? [10:00] <james__> Creative i think [10:00] <wsmith> james__, not the dell sblive, is it? [10:01] <james__> ct4520 [10:01] <bina> wsmith: not a clue, all I did was 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx' [10:01] <james__> when I had windows i downloaded the nvidia desktop manager and it took care of everything [10:02] <james__> thats about all I know [10:02] <bina> wsmith: should i try installing the linux-restructed-modules... package? [10:02] <james__> and on the card it says creative ct4520 [10:02] <bina> restricted* [10:02] <wsmith> bina, I dunno. I've never had luck with nvidia. [10:02] <wsmith> !nvidia [10:02] <ubotu> from memory, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29 [10:03] <wsmith> should help [10:03] <bina> wsmith: wow cool :) thanks [10:03] <bina> can anyone do that? [10:03] <wsmith> bina, yes [10:03] <bina> sweet :) will remember for the future [10:03] <wsmith> james__, sanity check: is the volume up? [10:04] <apokryphos> how can I find out the /dev that a folder in /media is mounted on? [10:04] <wsmith> apokryphos, mount [10:04] <wsmith> apokryphos, or cat /etc/mtab [10:04] <james__> yes and everything it plugged in, but when I try to turn the volume up through ubuntu it says... [10:04] <nEmiSH> apokryphos, df -ah or /etc/mtab as wsmith said [10:04] <james__> no volume contol elements and or devices found [10:05] <apokryphos> Thank you all [10:05] <nEmiSH> can someone help me figure out a hotplug issue? [10:05] <wsmith> james__, is it new? Or have you had it since you installed ubuntu? [10:05] <nEmiSH> well HOW automounting works with hotplug devices [10:05] <mrproper> Is it still unsafe to upgrade to Breezy from Horay? [10:05] <REBELinBLUE> hey [10:05] <james__> is what new? [10:05] <silvestro> hi [10:05] <wsmith> james__, the card [10:05] <sly> anyone know any games to apt-get to play with, got frozen-bubble, tuxracer, chrominum [10:05] <Krueger> hello :) how do i get sound in tuxracer :) [10:06] <REBELinBLUE> does anyone know of an EPG (electronic programme guide) for linux? like digiguide for windows, I don't want a tv viewer just a tv guide [10:06] <james__> nope, it worked fine, then I formatted my hard drive and installed ubuntu instead of windows [10:06] <silvestro> i've a problema someone can help me?(my english is't perfect but i'm italian :P) [10:06] <wsmith> wesnoth-* neverball gl-117 nethack freecraft [10:06] <silvestro> problem [10:06] <wsmith> !games are neverball gl-117 nethack freecraft frozen-bubble tuxrace chromium [10:06] <ubotu> ...but games is already something else... [10:06] <wsmith> !games [10:06] <ubotu> methinks games is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5153, or http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Loki_Installers_for_Linux_Gamers. [10:06] <Ummmmm> silvestro: what's up? [10:07] <silvestro> my on board vga.... [10:08] <lxuser_serg> i try to upgrade gnome-media from hoary to breezy, and i have a problem. I need libcairo1 (>=0.6.0) but it is not installable. but i have only libcairo2. What is wrong? [10:08] <silvestro> the mother board is fic k7m-400a [10:09] <wsmith> james__, do lspci. Are there any sound cards listed? [10:09] <silvestro> and mount a via chipset [10:09] <silvestro> but i can't see corretly [10:09] <Krueger> I have no sound in tuxracer ? [10:09] <james__> how do i do lspci? [10:10] <LasseL> is there an easy way I can test the performance of my graphics driver [10:10] <james__> i have my device manager open [10:10] <silvestro> i see a lot of waves [10:10] <LasseL> so I can see if it pays off to upgrade it [10:10] <wsmith> Applications->System Tools->Terminal [10:10] <wsmith> type lspci [10:10] <james__> ok [10:10] <wsmith> LasseL, glxgears [10:11] <james__> VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev b2) [10:11] <james__> is that it? [10:11] <LasseL> wsmith, 200fps? [10:11] <waltz> I just spent the last 4 hours trying to install Linux 2.6.10-5 on my SCSI 400GB SATA HDD, and I FAILED!!! [10:11] <wsmith> LasseL, poor. [10:11] <sly> that neverball is mad , thankyou :) [10:11] <waltz> Ubuntu Linux that is. [10:12] <LasseL> wsmith, is there a way to test 2D performance ? [10:12] <wsmith> waltz, you just said SCSI SATA HDD [10:12] <waltz> It told me that the "greeter" failed. [10:12] <james__> i don't think it's there [10:12] <wsmith> sly, it comes with neverputt. totally addictive [10:12] <lxuser_serg> where i can get libcairo1 >=0.6.0? please help! [10:12] <d2dchat> what is the best ftp client to use in linux? [10:12] <wsmith> james__, is it a card or onboard? [10:12] <wsmith> d2dchat, gftp [10:12] <d2dchat> wsmith, how do u use it? [10:13] <LasseL> d2dchat, nautilus works [10:13] <wsmith> d2dchat, so does mozilla [10:13] <waltz> :\ [10:13] <d2dchat> wsmith, well, how do u use gftp? [10:13] <LasseL> d2dchat, just write ftp://somesite.com in the nautilus addr [10:13] <james__> it's a card, like it's not on the motherboard if that's what you mean [10:13] <wsmith> d2dchat, use synaptec to find gtp, then install it. It'll appear under Applications->Internet [10:13] <wsmith> *gftp [10:14] <wsmith> james__, Is it PCI or ISA? [10:14] <james__> how do i tell? [10:14] <wsmith> How old is it? [10:14] <james__> i don't know how old it is, but it doesn't say pci anywhere [10:15] <wsmith> james__, are you looking in your machine? [10:15] <Wanderer___> Anyone know why my Win XP OS made corrections to hard disk after installing Ubuntu? It also claims that new hardware is installed. [10:15] <wsmith> james__, what color is the port it's plugged into? [10:15] <james__> i have it plugged into the black one that says spkr out [10:16] <d2dchat> wsmith, heh im a newb and have no idea how to use synaptec [10:16] <sly> hmm i cant see that =\ [10:16] <wsmith> d2dchat, System->Admin->Synaptic [10:16] <steven__> well can sombody help me, this is not a linux question but i need it in order to make my linux box to behave [10:16] <james__> is it bad to look in your machine when it's on? [10:16] <d2dchat> wsmith, oo, well i kinda wanted to learn in terminal [10:16] <wsmith> james__, no, but don't kill youself reaching around the desk [10:16] <Ummmmm> james__ only for your warrantee [10:16] <wsmith> d2dchat, sudo apt-get install gftp [10:17] <james__> no warranty i put the computer togeather myself [10:17] <Ummmmm> steven__ what's up? [10:17] <steven__> i have a compaq box but after a while the ucp starts to hybernite and when it happens everythings crashes [10:17] <james__> and i have no idea what i'm doing [10:17] <Ummmmm> what's a ucp?! [10:17] <d2dchat> E: Couldn't find package gftp [10:17] <wsmith> james__, when did you put this computer together? [10:17] <james__> i plug the speaker into the one that says spkr out right? [10:18] <wsmith> james__, correct [10:18] <Krueger> I have no sound in tuxracer or other games ? [10:18] <james__> i put it togeather about six months ago [10:18] <wsmith> Krueger, killall esd before starting [10:18] <wsmith> james__, do you remember if the sound card was new? [10:18] <steven__> i have a compaq box but after a while the ucp starts to hybernite and when it happens everythings crashes [10:18] <wsmith> james__, I'm trying to figure out if you have an ISA card (really old), in which case, it wouldn't show up in lspci [10:18] <Ummmmm> steven__ what is a UCP?! [10:19] <james__> yeah it was, well it worked until after I installed ubuntu [10:19] <steven__> Ummmmm: i mean my cpu [10:19] <james__> oh yeah it might be that old [10:19] <mustafu> Heh, while we're on this subject...how far back does hardware support go? I have an ancient OptiAudio 16 ISA card and was wondering if it might be supported [10:19] <wsmith> Like > 8 years old? [10:19] <Ummmmm> ok - wanna try turning off power management? go into the bios and disable acpi [10:19] <steven__> Ummmmm: it's and old compaq presario [10:19] <steven__> Ummmmm: how can i get into the bios in a compaq box [10:20] <wsmith> mustafu, those old ISA cards are still supported under the OSS drivers, but not the ALSA. So, in other words, it's difficult [10:20] <james__> i have no idea how old [10:20] <dimethyl> hey [10:20] <wsmith> steven__, Is it an *old* box? [10:20] <steven__> wsmith yes [10:20] <mustafu> no easier than it is in windows, I'd imagine [10:20] <d2dchat> swales, E: Couldn't find package gftp [10:20] <mustafu> windows won't touch the thing ;) [10:20] <dimethyl> can someone pm me their sources.list ?..i upgraded to breezy and i wanna go back, firefox has no fonts on it its scary [10:20] <wsmith> steven__, compaqs used to ship with a partition that had their bios. if you just installed linux and wiped that out, you're going to be hurting [10:20] <james__> oh well, I don't need sound that badly [10:20] <james__> thank you so much for your help [10:20] <wsmith> dimethyl, ubuntuguide.org [10:20] <Efwis> help, while GRUB was installing i got an error 17 [10:21] <james__> you rock [10:21] <dimethyl> wsmith, i cant use my browser man [10:21] <dimethyl> there is no text [10:21] <dimethyl> the fonts are missing [10:21] <wsmith> james__, sorry couldn't help. [10:21] <steven__> its a compaq presario 5023 [10:21] <wsmith> dimethyl, how do you want it? [10:21] <dimethyl> what?...just typed in a pm would be cool [10:21] <dimethyl> pasted [10:21] <dimethyl> les u wanna try to dcc it [10:21] <pinky2000> Anyone notice a weird behavior in Warty with Xorg where after a day or two of being logged in the xorg process seems to consume 50% of the CPU time even whn the box is completely idle? [10:21] <steven__> wsmith: it had only one partition [10:21] <wsmith> steven__, when the logo comes up, press esc . if it doesn't tell you to press another key to do it, you might be screwed [10:22] <wsmith> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted [10:22] <wsmith> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted [10:22] <wsmith> ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the [10:22] <wsmith> ## distribution. [10:22] <wsmith> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted [10:22] <wsmith> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted [10:22] <wsmith> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe' [10:22] <wsmith> ## repository. [10:22] <pinky2000> I'm running XFCE instead of the default gnome btw [10:22] <wsmith> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu [10:22] <wsmith> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to [10:22] <wsmith> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in [10:22] <mjr> pinky2000, umm, Warty doesn't have X.org :) [10:22] <wsmith> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security [10:22] <wsmith> ## team. [10:22] <wsmith> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe [10:22] <wsmith> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe [10:22] <pinky2000> sorry, hoary [10:22] <wsmith> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted [10:22] <dimethyl> whoa dude [10:22] <wsmith> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted [10:22] <dimethyl> pm pm [10:22] <wsmith> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe [10:22] <wsmith> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe [10:22] <wsmith> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse [10:22] <wsmith> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse [10:22] <wsmith> ## Backports [10:22] <wsmith> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [10:22] <wsmith> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [10:22] <wsmith> did I just paste that? [10:22] <wsmith> stupid xchat [10:22] <dimethyl> in the main chan [10:22] <wsmith> sorry [10:23] <steven__> wsmith: well everything is working fine, so i dont think i srewed something up [10:23] <mjr> pinky2000, well, anyway, no [10:23] <wsmith> steven__, your machines doesn't need the bios settings utility to work correctly. [10:23] <pinky2000> if I restart X then it's fine for another day or two [10:24] <steven__> wsmith: well i am going to turn that thing off [10:24] <heatxsink> does anyone else have a problem where every metacity window that is in focus the title bar flashes? [10:24] <steven__> thnx [10:24] <pinky2000> I thought it was a background app but even with everything but the bare essentials it does it. I wonder if maybe it's xscreensaver or something [10:25] <dimethyl> thanks tho wsmith [10:25] <pinky2000> oh well, off to restart X [10:25] <d2dchat> Do i need to get both gftp-common and gftp-gtk? [10:26] <wsmith> d2dchat, gftp-gtk will get gftp-common automatically [10:26] <d2dchat> k [10:26] <Wanderer___> Will anyone help me? [10:26] <d2dchat> what is a good editor package that highlights html and recognizes php and ruby> [10:27] <wsmith> d2dchat, you can start wars with that question [10:27] <d2dchat> lol [10:27] <aeruder> d2dchat: there's tons of them i'm sure [10:27] <wsmith> gedit, vim, emacs, joe, jed, kate, [10:27] <aeruder> d2dchat: jedit, eclipse, the list goes on.. [10:27] <d2dchat> wsmith, your preference? [10:27] <wsmith> d2dchat, vim [10:27] <aeruder> d2dchat: you are treading in dangerous territory now [10:28] <d2dchat> lol [10:28] <Bjorn`Food> Does anybody know if wine will work under amd 64 release of ubuntu ? [10:28] <d2dchat> wsmith, why vim? [10:28] <wsmith> d2dchat, I code all day long. Most efficient for me. My hands never leave the keyboard. [10:28] <Wanderer___> Anyone? Help? [10:29] <jtan325> why don't you say what your problem is? [10:29] <aeruder> d2dchat: i too prefer vim, but i think you'll find that if you choose vim or emacs and take the time to really learn them you'll enjoy vast amounts of productivity at the expense of a rather steep learning curve [10:29] <aeruder> Wanderer___: you don't need to ask to ask, that's just dumb [10:29] <aeruder> just ask your question [10:30] <d2dchat> aeruder, there is a learning curve involved with editors? lol [10:30] <Wanderer___> Because I don't want to go through the trouble of asking if everyone is just going to ignore me. [10:30] <aeruder> d2dchat: vim and emacs? sure, at least if you want to use them effectively [10:30] <jtan325> we will if you have an attitude like that [10:30] <wsmith> Wanderer___, ignoring != never had problem [10:30] <d2dchat> aeruder, im sure that while im using them, i get better but can still code [10:30] <aeruder> d2dchat: i could do things in vim that would make a person used to standard editors stare in awe (as most people who have spent a couple years could) [10:30] <Wanderer___> Better to wait until I have someones' attention. Then I just have to type the problem once. [10:31] <aeruder> d2dchat: yea, i mean, emacs and vim you can use like a standard editor for the most part [10:31] <aeruder> vim is definitely a little further from standard than most [10:31] <wsmith> d2dchat, beware. vim is *extremely* difficult to get the hang of [10:31] <aeruder> but at that point, you might just use some other editor [10:31] <Wanderer___> Anyway, can I open a private chat with anyone who would be willing to help? [10:31] <aeruder> d2dchat: but very rewarding when you get it ;) [10:31] <wsmith> d2dchat, but don't be affraid. all that silliness was well thought-out [10:31] <aeruder> Wanderer___: ask your question in here or go away [10:32] <aeruder> Wanderer___: just ask, seriously, why would you want to limit the people helping you from 300 or whatever to 1 [10:32] <d2dchat> lol *shivers* [10:32] <Bjorn`Food> Does anybody know if wine will work under amd 64 release of ubuntu ? [10:32] <wsmith> Bjorn`Food, did you try? [10:32] <bz0b> can someone please tell me the dpkg command to install something [10:32] <aeruder> d2dchat: the nice thing about vim or emacs, is that they are available -=everywhere=- [10:33] <wsmith> bz0b, apt-get install [10:33] <hardw1re> Bjorn`Food: i have tried and its very much doubtfall :( [10:33] <aeruder> mac, windows, linux, and base install on almost all unix installs [10:33] <hardw1re> but cedega works [10:33] <aeruder> vim is an enhanced vi which has been around for decades [10:33] <hardw1re> (Kernel):[Linux 2.6.12-7-amd64-xeon x86_64] [10:33] <funkyHat> Wanderer___, none of us know everything, asking in the room means someone who knows the answer is many times more likely to see your question [10:33] <bz0b> wsmith, but its a .deb file [10:33] <wsmith> aeruder, isn't vim 7 due out soon? [10:33] <d2dchat> do you use vim via terminal? [10:33] <wsmith> bz0b, dpkg --install <file> [10:33] <aeruder> wsmith: yea, looks like they have some neat stuff [10:33] <Efwis> anyone got a good way to install Ubuntu on the same hdd as Windows for a newbie?? helping a friend get it installed via chat [10:33] <bz0b> k thats what i asked [10:33] <bz0b> k thx [10:33] <aeruder> d2dchat: there are some graphical vim's too... [10:34] <aeruder> d2dchat: but they are similar enough that if you learn the console one you can use the gtk or windows based ones in the same way [10:34] <d2dchat> aeruder, what would you recommend for ahard core coder? [10:34] <Wanderer___> I need to change the screen resolution. Ubuntu appears to have only one resolution. Where are the others? I go to where it's *supposed * to be, but the menu only contains one resolution anfd refresh rate. [10:34] <bz0b> I like vim in the terminal just how it is [10:34] <wsmith> aeruder, like more autocommands (finally) [10:34] <aeruder> d2dchat: well, i personally would recommend vim, but if you really want to be a hardcore code [10:34] <aeruder> r [10:34] <aeruder> d2dchat: pick emacs or vim [10:34] <wsmith> Wanderer___, try CTRL-ALT-+ ? [10:34] <d2dchat> aeruder, I am a hard core coder;) im just wondering if i should install the gnome part of vim [10:34] <funkyHat> aeruder, very diplomatic ;) [10:35] <aeruder> d2dchat: install the gnome one [10:35] <aeruder> d2dchat: because to start with gnome, you do vim -g [10:35] <aeruder> d2dchat: otherwise it will just be a console program [10:35] <d2dchat> aeruder, console aint always bad;) [10:35] <aeruder> funkyHat: yea, i know better than to say straight out vim or emacs ;) [10:35] <Wanderer___> You mean CTRL+ ALT+ +? [10:35] <funkyHat> Wanderer___, yes [10:35] <aeruder> d2dchat: no, it is not, i do about 80% of my vim'ing in console and when i'm working on large projects i do it with the graphical because i have a theme which is rather nice on the eyes [10:36] <Hellevator> where are the settings for the wireless nic? [10:36] <aeruder> d2dchat: and the console vim doesn't have full infinite color support obviously [10:36] <d2dchat> aeruder, haha gotcha, guess it wouldnt hurt, ive got 80 gigs to use up [10:36] <booger> does any body know of a app that is easy to use for converting avi files to vcd ?? [10:36] <aeruder> d2dchat: if you need some help getting vim initially configured and you want to try it, give me a msg, i'll help you out [10:36] <wsmith> d2dchat, have you seen the size of emacs lately? [10:37] <aeruder> wsmith: heh [10:37] <aeruder> d2dchat: but seriously, the greatest thing about vim and emacs is they are horribly configurable, and they are available everywhere [10:37] <Lasse> d2dchat, try this guide for learning vi: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/vi-guide.xml [10:37] <Hellevator> how do I edit the settings for my wireless nic in unbuntu? [10:37] <Bjorn`Food> hardw1re, thanks [10:37] <aeruder> i copy my config and use it on windows and linux and os x ;) [10:37] <Bjorn`Food> I hope they will put out a stable release soon [10:38] <oceandead> man iwconfig [10:38] <Bjorn`Food> anybody knows if cedega works ? [10:38] <hardw1re> yep [10:38] <hardw1re> i use it for steam [10:38] <sly> i have a quick questions then [10:38] <WodanTJ> Hi! I'm wondering if theres a setup-script that upgrades from server to desktop? I'm installing ubuntu on a laptop with ethernet and then i take the hdd and put it in another laptop to finish the installation (having a wificard only on that one so i'll go for the rest of the installation from there) [10:38] <Bjorn`Food> hardw1re, [10:38] <Bjorn`Food> did you pay for it Oo [10:38] <hardw1re> yup [10:38] <sly> hardwlre whats the command line arguments to start in say a 800x600 window ? [10:38] <hardw1re> 40 / year [10:39] <hardw1re> i dont know [10:39] <hardw1re> are you using point2play sly? [10:39] <booger> does any body know of a app that is easy to use for converting avi files to vcd ?? [10:39] <hardw1re> cause i have no problems with full screen mode [10:39] <bimberi> WodanTJ: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop [10:39] <Kumasan> I have a bug I'd like to report, but don't know wher, (or what package) to report it for, it's NFS related, if that makes a difference. I have only verified it with two Hoary systems. If I have machine A, with a /pub directory (one partition) and a /pub/foo directory (which is a different partition) when I mount /pub on machine B, df will show available space of /pub without including the space available on /pub/foo. Any suggestions on [10:39] <Kumasan> where to report this bug? [10:39] <WodanTJ> bimberi: thanks! [10:39] <bimberi> WodanTJ: yvw [10:39] <Hellevator> bugzilla? [10:39] <sly> well erm. lets say i didnt pay for point2play........ and its gonna all screwy and dishs out errors when i click install [10:39] <funkyHat> has anyone successfully installed a creative webcam instant (or any creative webcam)? [10:39] <bimberi> :) [10:39] <funkyHat> i'd like some pointers in the right direction :) [10:40] <Kumasan> Hellevator: but for what package? nfs server? or client? [10:40] <Hellevator> client is guess [10:40] <hardw1re> sly: thats cause your using cvs right? [10:40] <Bjorn`Food> Somebody asked me this midday if i got my microphone to work under ubuntu [10:40] <sly> not exactly =\ , ;) [10:40] <d2dchat> what is firefox under in the spm? [10:40] <Bjorn`Food> the answer is yes ! [10:40] <Kumasan> well, If that isn't right, I am sure they will point me elsewhere :) I'll try that. [10:41] <WodanTJ> bimberi: do you think there will be any problems with other stuff when doing it like this? (both intel, installputer = intel centrino and realputergoingtohaveit = intel p2 [10:41] <booger> please ?? [10:41] <booger> please ?? [10:41] <hardw1re> tbh i cant wait for the full release of breezy, cause it seems to have alot of improvments for the x86_64 system [10:41] <funkyHat> d2dchat, mozilla-firefox [10:41] <booger> does any body know of a app that is easy to use for converting avi files to vcd ?? [10:41] <d2dchat> nvm found it [10:41] <d2dchat> ty tho:) [10:41] <funkyHat> :) [10:42] <aeruder> booger: there are some vcd making programs that use mpg's [10:42] <mustafu> if K3B is used in KDE, what is commonly used in GNOME? For Cd-writing software, that is [10:42] <aeruder> booger: you can use mencoder to convert a .avi to .mpg [10:42] <aeruder> however the particular command line options to mencoder are left as an exercise to you ;) [10:42] <hardw1re> hmm, im trying to get apt-cache search to output all the available packages into a text file, any ideas? [10:42] <booger> is it easy to use ?? still a noob [10:42] <oceandead> there are lots of different ones mustafu, i use gnomebaker [10:43] <d2dchat> can anyone figure out why my wireless isnt working? [10:43] <aeruder> hardw1re: apt-cache search . > packagelist.txt or something like that might do it :) [10:43] <bimberi> WodanTJ: hard to say - there is hardware identification done during the server install and the hardware is different - if it's the only way you can install it's worth a try tho :) [10:43] <d2dchat> I have a wireless network card, and it picks up networks under windows xp, but when i type iwconfig I get-> [10:43] <WodanTJ> bimberi: yeah i know.. [10:43] <aeruder> booger: not sure, might try vcdtools and/or vcdimager [10:43] <d2dchat> lo, eth0 and sit0 all saying 'no wireless extentions' [10:43] <bimberi> mustafu: nautilus, gnomebaker, graveman [10:44] <WodanTJ> bimberi: but i guess it only puts stuff in the modules-file for me to change it to the right modules, dont you think? [10:44] <hardw1re> :D [10:44] <aeruder> booger: and then start reading in /usr/share/doc/vcdtools /usr/share/doc/vcdimager [10:44] <hardw1re> now i can view all packages for this :D [10:44] <oceandead> d2dchat try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards to see if your card is supported [10:44] <booger> ok i'll play with them thanx [10:45] <kamme> hello, I've got a little problem, every time some screensaver kicks in, it freezes my whole system, ctrl-alt-del and ctrl-alt backspace don't work or anything... is there anything I can do to solve that? [10:45] <aeruder> kamme: gl screensaver? [10:45] <amonkey_> are there any trivia channels on freenode [10:45] <oceandead> if it isn't supported out of the box, you can look for a linux driver module for it or just use ndiswrapper along with the windoze drivers for it [10:45] <kamme> aeruder: I think so, I'm not sure and I can't look because it freezes on me [10:46] <bimberi> WodanTJ: sorry, its really outside the limit of my knowledge, but i'd imagine that the kernel is generic and that the differences between hardware is achieved with the choice of modules [10:46] <aeruder> kamme: xscreensaver-demo [10:46] <aeruder> kamme: try a non gl one, it is possible gl support is just messed up? [10:46] <aeruder> (can you run glxgears for example? ) [10:46] <bimberi> WodanTJ: generic after processor family (i386, amd64...) that is :) [10:46] <WodanTJ> bimberi: yeah should be like that when running i386 kernel [10:46] <oceandead> aeruder, ever find your xeyes? [10:46] <WodanTJ> bimberi: aye [10:46] <aeruder> oceandead: nope *grumble* [10:46] <d2dchat> oceandead, how do i know which one is mine? I know its a linksys but im not exactly sure which model [10:47] <aeruder> lspci is sometimes useful if it shows up as a pci device d2dchat [10:47] <oceandead> d2dchat do an lspci [10:47] <kamme> aeruder: I didn't change anything with the gl stuff... But the problem is, I can't even change the screensaver, even the screensaver option program freezes everything... [10:47] <d2dchat> 0000:00:09.0 Network controller: RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card (rev 01) [10:47] <d2dchat> ? [10:47] <ninjafish> how come all binary distros are compiled for 386, why not compile a 686 version too? [10:47] <aeruder> kamme: hard locks the entire system? [10:47] <aeruder> kamme: can you still ssh in ? [10:47] <oceandead> d2dchat are you on hoary or breezy? [10:47] <kamme> aeruder: yup [10:48] <d2dchat> im not sure, how do i find out? [10:48] <kamme> aeruder: didn't try that, but my guess is no [10:48] <kamme> aeruder: since even my wlan card stops blinking [10:48] <aeruder> d2dchat: did you just download a hoary install cd ? [10:48] <aeruder> kamme: eek [10:48] <oceandead> youre probably on hoary [10:48] <JohnP789> I let Synaptic update my kernel, and now my system won't boot Ubuntu. [10:48] <aeruder> d2dchat: if you weren't on hoary, i'd hope you'd know :) [10:48] <kamme> aeruder: tell me about it... [10:48] <oceandead> there are linux driver modules available for the rt2500 on sourceforge [10:48] <Bjorn`Food> If anybody got wine working under a amd64 hoary say it [10:48] <Bjorn`Food> :D [10:48] <JohnP789> I get a kernel panic when it tries to pivot root. [10:49] <aeruder> JohnP789 have the text somewhere? [10:49] <aeruder> !paste [10:49] <ubotu> methinks paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text [10:49] <d2dchat> aeruder, I downloaded ubuntu 5.04 from the ubuntu website [10:49] <d2dchat> the iso file [10:49] <oceandead> thats hoary [10:49] <d2dchat> and i installed it witha boot disk [10:49] <d2dchat> ok lol [10:49] <aeruder> JohnP789 try pasting output there if you can (or write it down) [10:50] <JohnP789> aeruder, I'd have to reboot and write it down. [10:50] <oceandead> d2dchat try http://rt2500.sourceforge.net <-im not sure about the link [10:50] <hal> Hello all [10:50] <Bjorn`Food> If anybody got wine working under a amd64 hoary say it [10:50] <TEG`> hi i have a problem with installing NFORCE drivers, he doenst seem to find the right kernel [10:50] <aeruder> JohnP789 : i think you'd have a hard tiem finding out what is wrong if you didn't at least write down the error message [10:50] <JohnP789> aeruder, I think initrd isn't being found. [10:50] <aeruder> JohnP789: you probably don't need the dump information [10:50] <kamme> another question, what does ubuntu-desktop do? [10:50] <aeruder> (registers and stacktrace, etc.) [10:51] <aeruder> kamme: it is just a package that depends on all the other packages needed for a full system [10:51] <oceandead> d2dchat on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards page there is a link to a how to with rt2500 [10:51] <Bjorn`Food> TEG`, [10:51] <Bjorn`Food> yo [10:51] <TEG`> yo [10:51] <Bjorn`Food> ik ben liquidfire [10:51] <Bjorn`Food> :D [10:51] <Bjorn`Food> :p [10:51] <TEG`> ? [10:51] <TEG`> vanwaar? [10:51] <Bjorn`Food> inspire`Liquidfire [10:51] <aeruder> kamme: apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop [10:51] <GoClick> What's an acceptable GUI for Samba config? preferably one I can install using Synaptic [10:51] <Bjorn`Food> cssr [10:51] <Bjorn`Food> Oo [10:51] <bimberi> kamme: it's a meta-package that is dependant on lots of packages considered to be a good setup for a desktop [10:51] <aeruder> kamme: and look at the depends field [10:51] <TEG`> ah :) [10:51] <kamme> aeruder: so it can be removed? (that way I can remove xscreensaver-gl too [10:51] <aeruder> kamme: you could also just disable xscreensaver you know ;) [10:51] <aeruder> kamme: sure, remove it [10:51] <JohnP789> aeruder, I realize I'm not giving enough to go on. I thought maybe it'd be some infamous bug people would recognize right off. [10:51] <JohnP789> :-) [10:51] <kamme> okeej [10:51] <bimberi> kamme: yes [10:51] <aeruder> kamme: it is just a meta package that pulls in the rest [10:51] <d2dchat> how is my wireless network card an rt2500 when it is a linksys?? [10:51] <TEG`> kunde gij mij niet helpen met men nforce drivers ? bjorn [10:52] <morbidi> hello [10:52] <aeruder> kamme: if you remove it, all the ones it brought in stay around :) [10:52] <oceandead> rt2500 is the chipset [10:52] <hal> anyone ever tried to build a kernel package with software suspend2 ? [10:52] <kamme> thanks, I'll do that and hope it'll help :) [10:52] <ninjafish> samba-config [10:52] <aeruder> d2dchat: that's just how it works [10:52] <morbidi> does anyone knows how to open in firefox a link with a middle click? [10:52] <morbidi> what do I have to setup in xorg.conf [10:52] <kamme> ok, trying the option dialog now ;) [10:52] <d2dchat> aeruder, I dont see any linksys's on that page that are rt2500s [10:53] <GoClick> ninjafish I don't see it in the list [10:53] <TEG`> hi i have a problem with installing NFORCE drivers, he doenst seem to find the right kernel?? [10:53] <hal> morbidi, you try to paste an url in firefox, right ? [10:53] <kamme> aeruder: that solved it.. so if anyone has the same problem you know what to do :) [10:53] <oceandead> look for the rt2500 link [10:53] <pauldaoust> crimsun: wow, you're here again! (you're not a dev or admin any chance?) [10:53] <kamme> thank you aeruder and bimberi [10:53] <bimberi> kamme: yw :) [10:54] <GoClick> ninjafish, I added a share by going to system>administration>shared folders and that seems ok but now I've got nothing to configure users with, I tried to connect from my windows box and it asked for a username and password so I put in my Ubuntu ones and it didn't work :/ also I need some config abilities [10:54] <TEG`> Hi I have a problems with installing NFORCE drivers, he doenst seem to find the right kernel, can any1 help me? [10:54] <dcraven> d2dchat: Linksys is the card manufacture, rt2500 is probably the chipset they use. [10:54] <ninjafish> GoClick - hmm I was thinking of another distro [10:54] <d2dchat> ah, gotcha [10:54] <GoClick> ninjafish totally ok [10:55] <pauldaoust> hey, has any one experienced weird, slow, drawn-out sound in Ubuntu? [10:55] <d2dchat> dcraven, thank you for that clarification:) [10:55] <dcraven> d2dchat: np [10:55] <oceandead> yep for instance i use a dwl-650 - chipset is an RTL8180L - frontend is a Phillips sa-2400 [10:55] <GoClick> Know of a Samba config GUI anyone? [10:55] <topyli> pauldaoust: yes, i listen to that kind of music at work :) [10:55] <pauldaoust> GoClick: There's SWAT, a web-based GUI [10:55] <GoClick> SWAT isn't very good :( [10:55] <aeruder> GoClick: i usually just do it by hand ;) [10:55] <pauldaoust> topyli: har har har [10:55] <WodanTJ> oceandead: uh i'm about to install a dwl-650+ :) (those are acx100) [10:56] <Scrawny1> ok I've been through all the backports, been through all the arcives and I still can't find an upgrade for x-chat to 2.4.4 [10:56] <TEG`> need help with nforce drivers pm me pls [10:56] <pauldaoust> topyli: where do you work? [10:56] <pauldaoust> as in, everything (MP3s, WAVs, etc) is about three or four times slower than it should be. [10:56] <topyli> GoClick: webmin has a pretty good samba tool too [10:56] <oceandead> wodanTJ, your dwl-650 plus is [10:56] <GoClick> aeruder I don't mind doing that myself actually but my boss needs to be able to do this too and he's not as techiue [10:56] <topyli> pauldaoust: the university [10:56] <WodanTJ> oceandead: yeah and dwl-650 are like prism? some of them anyways? [10:56] <aeruder> GoClick: oh, don't know what to tell you then [10:56] <oceandead> my dwl-650 v.M1 is an rtl8180l [10:56] <GoClick> I'm not really looking for a web based one [10:56] <amonkey_> hey [10:56] <amonkey_> Seveas, are you here? [10:56] <GoClick> What does Fedora use? [10:56] <topyli> GoClick: well, that's all you get :) [10:56] <oceandead> some of them yes....different hardware revisions of the dwl-650 use different chipsets [10:57] <ninjafish> GoClick, it's fedora that has samba-config [10:57] <Nitrousinacan> what is the ubuntu archive url? [10:57] <Scrawny1> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu [10:57] <TEG`> Can Anyone help me with nforce drivers out here? [10:57] <dcraven> packages.ubuntu.com [10:57] <GoClick> That's too bad cause I tried Core4 on this machine and the sound didn't work and it couldn't play DVDs :/ [10:58] <Seveas> amonkey, you're in luck - just back :) [10:58] <aeruder> TEG`: try being a little more clear what is wrong, and pasting some stuff (like errors you are getting, etc..) on the paste site and pointing people to the url [10:58] <aeruder> !paste [10:58] <ubotu> rumour has it, paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text [10:58] <amonkey_> mym audio card supports mixing(at least in windows it did) and now ubuntu can't polay more than oen thing at a time. how do i fix this? [10:59] <aeruder> TEG`: you'll find you will get much more help if you do as much work on your end as you can ;) [10:59] <Seveas> amonkey_, use dmix or esd :) [10:59] <urban> Does anyone know what is happening with http://www.ubuntuguide.org/? I have tried many times over the last 3 weeks to connect and allways get a timeout .... [10:59] <Scrawny1> Seveas? [10:59] <Seveas> ubuntu uses esd by default [10:59] <ninjafish> GoClick, have you tried looking on the samba pages to see if they have an IRC channel [10:59] <aeruder> amonkey_: windows does software mixing ;) [10:59] <LinuxJones> GoClick, have a look at this >> http://ksambakdeplugin.sourceforge.net/ [10:59] <Seveas> Scrawny1, ? [10:59] <amonkey_> aeruder, i did not know that [10:59] <Scrawny1> can I talk to ya' a quick sec? :) [10:59] <Seveas> sure [10:59] <pauldaoust> soooooo... nobody with incredibly slow sound? [10:59] <TEG`> He doenst find the right source kernel to install the driver , then the installtion shuts down [11:00] <aeruder> amonkey_: not many cards have many channels of hardware mixing capabilities [11:00] <hal> TEG`, have you installed the sources of your krenel ? [11:00] <hal> kernel [11:00] <amonkey_> Seveas, as far as i know, i did that. is this an accurate guide to do it:http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Allow_multiple_programs_to_play_sound_at_once [11:00] <oceandead> i used the happy esd and alsa thread on the forums, also have sox as well [11:00] <TEG`> the r command i did [11:00] <Seveas> TEG`, apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) [11:00] <TEG`> i did that [11:00] <TEG`> still doenst work [11:00] <AntiKris> Howdy [11:01] <Seveas> amonkey_, ubuntu isn't archlinux... [11:01] <aeruder> TEG`: and kernel-source-$(uname -r) [11:01] <hal> TEG`, what is the *exact* error message ? [11:01] <AntiKris> Sorry, I'm not really an IRCer, so if I'm talking out of turn, please excuse me... [11:02] <Seveas> AntiKris, welcome :) [11:02] <aeruder> AntiKris: there aren't turns, you'll fidn that irc'ers are the best multitasker talkers in the world ;) [11:02] <TEG`> ERROR: Unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel. Please make sure you have installed the kernel source files for your kernel; on Red Hat Linux systems, for example, be sure you have the 'kernel-source' rpm installed. If you know the correct kernel source files are installed, you may specify the kernel source path with the '--kernel-source-path'commandline option. <ok> [11:02] <amonkey> Seveas, where can i find the relevent guide for ubuntu (Looking myself right now) [11:02] <Seveas> we don;t take turns here, everybody talks whenever he wants :) [11:02] <bimberi> AntiKris: it's find - particularly if you're using ubuntu :) [11:02] <AntiKris> Cool! ;'D [11:02] <bimberi> *fine [11:02] <amonkey> Seveas, i think i found it nm [11:02] <aeruder> TEG`: did you install kernel-source- like i said above? [11:02] <Seveas> amonkey, wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary is nice [11:02] <Bjorn`Food> AntiKris, so join the club and chat away [11:02] <TEG`> no ill try it first [11:02] <Bjorn`Food> you need to give us cake tough :p [11:02] <Seveas> amonkey, wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems may help too [11:02] <aeruder> TEG`: because you need the full kernel source to build drivers [11:03] <Wanderer___> The reason I need to change the resolution is because I can't see any of the text present on the Log-In screen. It's ridiculusly small. Also, the windows are huge and unwieldly, and don't resize themselves to the taskbar at all. When I attempt to do a manual resize, it won't let me 90% of the time. [11:03] <Bjorn`Food> amonkey, whats your problem ? [11:03] <Bjorn`Food> I had some problems with sound too [11:03] <AntiKris> I'm trying install Ubuntu on a separate disk--but the install prog doesn't give me that option [11:03] <hal> TEG`, you should follow aeruder 's advice, I don't think you've installed the source packaged... Way better than original kernel source tree for the distro [11:03] <amonkey> Bjorn`Food, only one sound at a time after i move from onboard audio to a pci card [11:03] <AntiKris> I believe it's because the disk I want to install to is on a separate controller [11:03] <Seveas> AntiKris, in the manual partitioner it should give you the option to sepcify which disks to use [11:03] <Bjorn`Food> maybe you should disable your onboard sound in the bios [11:03] <aeruder> TEG`: sudo apt-get install kernel-source-`uname -r` [11:04] <TEG`> ye thx ill try that [11:04] <Bjorn`Food> so that he only picks the pci card [11:04] <AntiKris> Yeah, I figured it would--but it doesn't see the other disks. I'm wondering if there's some sort of F6 equivalent I'm supposed to be doing [11:05] <Seveas> AntiKris, what kind of controller is it? [11:05] <amonkey> Seveas, after i saved my esd.conf it showed this error in console: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:868:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave [11:05] <AntiKris> I've got one of those new p5WD2 mbs from ASUS... after lapping my heatsink today, I thought I'd go for an encore and figure out linux in, oh, about 3 hours time. [11:06] <AntiKris> The controller is an IT8211 [11:06] <oceandead> hehehe [11:07] <AntiKris> In bios, it sees the SATA disk as one of the IDE options, but doesn't want to play nicely with the old Maxtor one I've got lurking on the IDE component of the board... am I screwed? [11:08] <Seveas> AntiKris, hmm, try whether the installer sees the SATA when you don't have the IDE plugged in [11:08] <emilio> hello people how do i can enter in the java of canal [11:08] <aeruder> emilio: /join ##java [11:08] <emilio> sorry mi englis is bad [11:09] <emilio> ok thank you [11:09] <Daehlie> what language [11:09] <Daehlie> there are multiple [11:09] <emilio> i speak spanish [11:09] <aeruder> emilio: /join #ubuntu-es perhaps [11:09] <Seveas> emilio, #ubuntu-es es la canal espanol [11:09] <Seveas> (my spanish is terrible) [11:09] <leonel> whoot Just upgraded from hoary to breezy and .. No gnome panel or metacity running after login [11:09] <emilio> ok [11:09] <AntiKris> Well, seeing the SATA isn't the problem--it sees both hard disks, when it boots up to Windows... I've just got the feeling that it picks up the IDE somewhere along the way to booting XP, but doesn't get there yet when running the install [11:09] <Cuateco> wenazzzzz [11:09] <AntiKris> (for linux) [11:09] <emilio> thank you [11:09] <aeruder> leonel: lots of stuff is still borked :) [11:10] <oceandead> leonel, i had the same problem [11:10] <oceandead> fresh install fixed it [11:10] <oceandead> hehehe [11:10] <Seveas> AntiKris, hmm, maybe it needs a newer driver oslt, have you tried running a live CD or a breezy install CD? [11:10] <aeruder> oceandead: i'm kinda up and going [11:10] <aeruder> minus all the packages that haven't been updated for libcairo2 [11:10] <aeruder> (like gaim, but i just compiled my own) [11:10] <oceandead> you got everything all sorted aeruder? [11:10] <leonel> well installed hoary and move to breezy [11:10] <aeruder> oceandead: yeap, took a bit of tweaking [11:10] <oceandead> nice! [11:11] <aeruder> oceandead: there were several changes needed to /etc/X11/xorg.conf [11:11] <AntiKris> I just downloaded the liveDVD yesterday, so it's brand spanking [11:11] <bz0b> can someone tell me the command i think its an apt-get cause im trying to make && make install my wireless drivers, but it says KERNELPATH must be defined [11:11] <samu> isnt there another channel for people who are too eager and want to complain about something in breezy that doesnt work for them? :) [11:11] <aeruder> keyboard driver => kbd, /usr/lib/X11/font all needs to be /usr/share/X11/font... [11:11] <oceandead> i tried but didnt want to spend too much time on it - got some testing yet to do for laptop [11:12] <|Gorre|ZzZ> Can anyone tell me a basic system specs I should aim for using Ubuntu/Kubuntu? [11:12] <bz0b> bob2, can you hep me? [11:12] <aeruder> |Gorre|ZzZ: a p2 366 w/ 64 megs of ram ;) [11:12] <|Gorre|ZzZ> Im new to linux, and want to try it out, but on a spare Pentium 2 [11:12] <aeruder> |Gorre|ZzZ: you don't need much to run linux [11:12] <token> hi there [11:12] <|Gorre|ZzZ> Marvellous :P [11:12] <|Gorre|ZzZ> Thanks [11:12] <aeruder> |Gorre|ZzZ: my old linux machine was a celeron 366 w/ 64 megs of ram [11:12] <bz0b> bob2, im trying to make my wireless drivers and i get an error root@bz0b:/usr/src/madwifi-cvs-20050814# make && make install [11:12] <bz0b> Makefile.inc:94: *** KERNELPATH must be defined. Stop. [11:12] <aeruder> of course, it was debian, but.. yea, it'll be slow on some stuff( like openoffice ) [11:13] <|Gorre|ZzZ> No worries then :P [11:13] <oceandead> gnome will be a bit slow on 64mb ram, might want to try xfce or fluxbox on that [11:13] <aeruder> |Gorre|ZzZ: but it is more than enough to run X and lots of apps [11:13] <|Gorre|ZzZ> I have like, 190~ RAM in my P2 machine, so I should be okay [11:13] <|Gorre|ZzZ> But I think it's a 266 [11:13] <aeruder> |Gorre|ZzZ: heck, i couldeven play quake 2 and quake 3 with a nvidia card ;) [11:13] <token> could I ask how do you change your charset on whole system? I have Iso-8859-1 and I need to have Iso-8859-2 or UTF [11:13] <token> is there a way? [11:13] <token> thank you [11:13] <aeruder> |Gorre|ZzZ: yea, you'll be more than good [11:13] <token> go for fluxbox [11:13] <token> or blackbox [11:14] <aeruder> |Gorre|ZzZ: yes, don't use kde or gnome, that will make it feel much slower [11:14] <token> I recommend fluxbox as I run it on my old laptop and it runs just fine [11:14] <|Gorre|ZzZ> So use a command line thingy? [11:14] <aeruder> |Gorre|ZzZ: xfce is faster, but i'd recommend fluxbox or blackbox, they'll make it fly [11:14] <aeruder> |Gorre|ZzZ: or even windowmaker [11:14] <oceandead> <- k6-2 @ 400mhz, 192mb ram can run gnome but xfce is better for me and i like it better than fluxbox [11:14] <|Gorre|ZzZ> Ah right [11:14] <topyli> |Gorre|ZzZ: RAM is what counts, not the cpu really, and you should be ok. if gnome is slow, use xfce or something light [11:14] <aeruder> |Gorre|ZzZ: no, you can use X-windows, just don't use kde and gnome desktops if you can help it [11:14] <|Gorre|ZzZ> Ah right [11:14] <token> could I ask how do you change your charset on whole system? I have Iso-8859-1 and I need to have Iso-8859-2 or UTF [11:15] <|Gorre|ZzZ> Well, I havent even touched linux before, so what do you think would be best? [11:15] <oceandead> xfce [11:15] <topyli> token: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales [11:15] <aeruder> |Gorre|ZzZ: if xfce runs well enough, try it [11:15] <FunnyLookinHat> is there an INSTALL CD command to boot to install 2.6 instead of 2.4 or shoudl IJust hit enter? [11:15] <vitriol> if i build my own kernel from vanilla sources will it work? or do i need to do some special tricks? [11:15] <|Gorre|ZzZ> I'll give it a shot, ta. [11:15] <aeruder> |Gorre|ZzZ: otherwise try windowmaker or blackbox or something [11:15] <Flonne> FunnyLookinHat, Ubuntu only has 2.6. [11:15] <|Gorre|ZzZ> I think I'll stay around here too though, just incase :P [11:15] <aeruder> |Gorre|ZzZ: there's plenty of window managers that will run great on that machine [11:15] <AntiKris> Well, thanks folks--I'm going to check out some bios forums! Later! [11:16] <hal> token, dpkg-reconfigure locales [11:16] <aeruder> vitriol: you don't need special tricks [11:16] <token> tyopyli, hal: thank you [11:16] <|Gorre|ZzZ> This is gonna seem like a silly question [11:16] <vitriol> aeruder: hello again ) [11:16] <|Gorre|ZzZ> But how would I install a new desktop thingy? [11:16] <vitriol> :) [11:16] <vitriol> aeruder: i'm building the kernel right now [11:16] <aeruder> vitriol: just make sure you get that ide and filesystem driver in ;) (and of course the other hardware stuff as modules or built in) [11:16] <vitriol> aeruder: just afraid it won't boot, that's all [11:16] <Wanderer___> Do I need to change the screen resolution? Because I can't see any of the text present on the Log-In screen. It's ridiculusly small. Also, the windows are huge and unwieldly, and don't resize themselves to the taskbar at all. When I attempt to do a manual resize, it won't let me 90% of the time. [11:16] <|Gorre|ZzZ> Just stick in the disk I burned it to after installing Ubuntu? [11:16] <aeruder> vitriol: keep your old kernel around [11:16] <vitriol> aeruder: when i tried this on debian it didn't work [11:16] <aeruder> vitriol: building kernels is an art, you get better at it each time [11:17] <aeruder> vitriol: it used to take me several tries to get it right ;) [11:17] <aeruder> vitriol: you built ide and fs drivers INTO the kernel? [11:17] <vitriol> aeruder: the problem on debian was just that there was no initrd [11:17] <vitriol> aeruder: thats right [11:17] <Wanderer___> Do I need to change the screen resolution? Because I can't see any of the text present on the Log-In screen. It's ridiculusly small. Also, the windows are huge and unwieldly, and don't resize themselves to the taskbar at all. When I attempt to do a manual resize, it won't let me 90% of the time. [11:17] <aeruder> vitriol: ok, you don't need a initrd then [11:17] <oceandead> go into synaptic and look for it - or sudo apt-get install xfce4 for xfce [11:17] <vitriol> wonderful [11:17] <aeruder> vitriol: does your grub line have a root=/dev/blah [11:17] <hal> anyone tried the software suspend on an Ubuntu kernel here ? [11:17] <aeruder> vitriol: or something like root=LABEL=/ [11:17] <oceandead> then you can log out and log in - click sessions, and choose xfce session [11:18] <oceandead> before you login that is [11:18] <vitriol> aeruder: [11:18] <vitriol> oops [11:18] <rickity> how does one mount a usb harddrive? how does one configure hotplug to automatically mount a usb mass storage device? [11:18] <aeruder> Wanderer___: paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log [11:18] <aeruder> !paste [11:18] <ubotu> hmm... paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text [11:18] <GoClick> Do you guys figure it would be possible to use the samba configuration gui thing from Fedora on Ubuntu? [11:18] <vitriol> kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 ro console=tty0 quiet splash [11:18] <aeruder> rickity: i usually just plug it in and mount the /dev/sda# entries that show up ;) [11:18] <vitriol> aeruder: ^ [11:19] <aeruder> vitriol: yep, you will not need an initrd, get rid of the splash and quiet lines tho [11:19] <vitriol> great! [11:19] <Wanderer___> Where would I find that file? [11:19] <vitriol> aeruder: thanks for the tip [11:19] <aeruder> Wanderer___: i just told you /var/log/Xorg.0.log [11:19] <aeruder> paste the contents of that file into the website given by the bot [11:19] <rickt> any pointers on how to change a deb file to change the dependencies. it seems that some packages need to refer to libcairo2 now. i'd rather just build from source if i have to wait. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=58451&highlight=vim-gnome [11:19] <Wanderer___> In which OS? Ubuntu, Windows? [11:19] <JohnP789> OK, I've rebooted and copied down some messages leading up to my kernel panic. [11:19] <aeruder> Wanderer___: ubuntu [11:20] <rickity> aeruder, what if no /dev/sda# appears? [11:20] <JohnP789> They're going in the pastebin. [11:20] <aeruder> Wanderer___: your windows logs will do no good here ;) [11:20] <aeruder> rickity: run dmesg and see if it found anything [11:20] <aeruder> JohnP789: good [11:20] <Wanderer___> I can't! I can't connect to the net from Ubuntu (don't know how). [11:20] <somedude_> Hey! [11:20] <somedude_> remember me? ;) [11:20] <somedude_> well anyways.. [11:21] <aeruder> Wanderer___: wireless or wired? [11:21] <JohnP789> I'm thinking it's some kind of LVM problem. My root is on an LVM logical volume, but that volume group is not showing up on boot. [11:21] <Wanderer___> Wired dail-up. [11:21] <aeruder> Wanderer___: ah [11:21] <Liquidfire> Is there a sort of control panel for nvidia cards in linux as there is in windows ? [11:21] <aeruder> Wanderer___: i don't know what they use now for ppp stuff [11:21] <aeruder> Liquidfire: nvidia-settings [11:21] <aeruder> Liquidfire: you may need the package installed ;) [11:21] <d2dchat> Where is the php4-mysql apt? [11:21] <somedude_> i want to ssh to my ubuntu installation! Wheer do i eneable that?? in slackware i enabled it by copying rc.sshd to my /etc/rc.d/ folder.. how do i do that with UBUNTU? [11:22] <Liquidfire> aeruder, where and how :) [11:22] <rickity> aeruder, lsusb shows its connected: Bus 002 Device 004: ID 1006:3004 iRiver, Ltd. [11:22] <d2dchat> i tried running-> [11:22] <Liquidfire> i didn't update it via the syn thingy [11:22] <d2dchat> apt-get install php4-mysql [11:22] <d2dchat> but it couldnt find the package [11:22] <bimberi> somedude_: install openssh-server [11:22] <Liquidfire> because i would get a blackscreen [11:22] <JohnP789> Anybody have any ideas how to fix this? [11:22] <hal> somedude_, tou first need to install the sshd package [11:22] <hal> somedude_, sudo apt-get install ssh [11:22] <somedude_> ok, how?.. an easy way? [11:22] <somedude_> ok hal, thanks! [11:23] <somedude_> after that its ok? [11:23] <hal> somedude_, then it should work [11:23] <somedude_> sweet [11:23] <somedude_> many thanks [11:23] <somedude_> brb ;) [11:23] <aeruder> Liquidfire: sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings [11:23] <Liquidfire> ah lol the - did it [11:24] <Liquidfire> :D [11:24] <Liquidfire> i tried nvidiasettings [11:24] <rickity> anyone know how to mount a usb mass storage device given the information from lsusb: Bus 002 Device 004: ID 1006:3004 iRiver, Ltd. [11:24] <Grat> Liquidfire: next time use apt-cache search to search for packets :> [11:24] <Wanderer___> BTW, is it a bad sign if windows checks your C-Disk for integrity, then applies corrections to it? I had just installed Ubuntu. I then logged out, and switched to windows. Then it said that. When it loaded the desktop, it also said it was finished installing new hardware and needed to reboot. WTF? [11:24] <Liquidfire> Grat, oke [11:24] <Liquidfire> :) [11:24] <bimberi> d2dchat: php4-mysql is in the universe repository [11:24] <bimberi> !repos [11:24] <ubotu> I guess repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [11:24] <Liquidfire> and what if i installed it [11:24] <Liquidfire> how do i launch it ? [11:24] <aeruder> Liquidfire: run nvidia-settings [11:25] <hardw1re> !nvidia [11:25] <ubotu> nvidia is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29 [11:25] <aeruder> with your favorite friend the terminal [11:25] <Wanderer___> aeruder? [11:25] <Liquidfire> aeruder, i know via the terminal [11:25] <Liquidfire> but what command [11:25] <rickity> anyone know how to mount a usb mass storage device given the information from lsusb: Bus 002 Device 004: ID 1006:3004 iRiver, Ltd. [11:25] <Liquidfire> =/ [11:25] <aeruder> Wanderer___: windows is fscked up, that's all i can say about that ;) [11:25] <JohnP789> I posted an amendment in pastebin. My LVM setup seems OK over in FC3 on this machine. [11:26] <d2dchat> bimberi, how do i access that? [11:26] <aeruder> Wanderer___: you need to get that file, or get connected in linux [11:26] <bimberi> d2dchat: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [11:26] <aeruder> Wanderer___: it is going to be nearly impossible to get help when you have to reboot to do it [11:26] <aeruder> Wanderer___: so find an ubuntu guide for dialup (www.google.com is your friend) figure that uot first [11:26] <rickity> anyone have a good link on how exactly the whole usb mass storage detection and mounting works in ubuntu? [11:26] <aeruder> get into linux on the inet, then figure out the screen res :) [11:27] <aeruder> rickity: usually dmesg prints out where it is putting it [11:27] <aeruder> (like sda, sdb, etc...) [11:27] <JohnP789> aeruder, Would you have any suggestions? [11:27] <BTJustice> I had a Creative SB Live! 7.1 sound card, but it gave me so many problems that I got rid of it. I just put my old Creative SB Live! 5.1 sound card back in. What do I need to do to get it to work in Kubuntu? [11:28] <somedude_> hal, it worked perfectly! THANKS!!!!!!! [11:28] <hardw1re> hey, i reconfigured my xorg earlier [11:28] <aeruder> !paste [11:28] <ubotu> I heard paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text [11:28] <aeruder> JohnP789: one sec [11:28] <hardw1re> and nvidia now has this option in it: Option "UseFBDev" "true" [11:28] <hardw1re> anyone know what that is? [11:28] <hal> somedude_, great then ;-) [11:28] <aeruder> JohnP789: my initial guess would be corrupted initrd [11:28] <rickity> aeruder does hotplug do it automatically? [11:29] <aeruder> JohnP789: use the old kernel or compile your own [11:29] <topyli> hardw1re: it's the framebuffer device, for prettier console and higher console resolutions [11:29] <rickity> aeruder, does hotplug automatically detect and assign a /dev/sda# for a usb device? [11:29] <aeruder> JohnP789: there have been plenty of people with kernel problems the last couple days [11:29] <aeruder> rickity: well, a combination of hotplug and udev, yes [11:29] <JohnP789> aeruder, There's no old kernel in /boot, unfortunately. [11:29] <aeruder> JohnP789: got a rescue cd? [11:29] <aeruder> JohnP789: even a knoppix cd can be used as a recuse cd [11:29] <bimberi> Wanderer___: dialup config is at System -> Administration -> Networking. This assumes your modem is working (which can be an issue if it's a "winmodem"). To reconfigure resolution try logging at a virtual console (<ctrl><alt>F2), logging in and typing "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" [11:29] <JohnP789> aeruder, Ubuntu Live. [11:30] <aeruder> JohnP789: and compile a new kernel [11:30] <aeruder> JohnP789: ok, well boot to that [11:30] <aeruder> mount your root fs somewhere [11:30] <aeruder> mount -o bind /dev /whre/your/root/is/dev [11:30] <somedude_> hal, yupp! in slack i had a command "smb-client" anything like that in UBUNTU? [11:30] <aeruder> mount -o bind /proc /where/your/root/is/proc [11:30] <rickity> aeruder is there a way I can force hotplug/udev to check for new usb devs and mount them? [11:30] <aeruder> cd /where/your/root/is [11:30] <aeruder> chroot . [11:30] <aeruder> su - [11:30] <hal> somedude_, smbclient ? [11:30] <somedude_> yeah [11:30] <somedude_> for mounting win shares [11:30] <hardw1re> ok, topyli does that effect things like cedega? [11:31] <hal> somedude_, sudo apt-get install smbclient [11:31] <somedude_> u rule hal!! :) [11:31] <aeruder> rickity: uh, well, shouldn't need to [11:31] <BTJustice> I had a Creative SB Live! 7.1 sound card, but it gave me so many problems that I got rid of it. I just put my old Creative SB Live! 5.1 sound card back in. What do I need to do to get it to work in Kubuntu? [11:31] <aeruder> rickity: if you see nothing in dmesg output about it [11:31] <aeruder> rickity: (you can feel free to unplug/plug and check) [11:31] <bimberi> somedude_: you probably already have it - smbclient is part of the basic desktop install [11:31] <Liquidfire> BTJustice, you need to set alsamixer [11:32] <aeruder> rickity: usually that is bad, because i know the mass storage stuff used to spam junk all over with kernel messages :) [11:32] <somedude_> hal, if i want to update a package from the internet, is there a special command? Now it installs from the cdrom [11:32] <hal> somedude_, you can use the following command when you search a package: "apt-cache search smbclient" for example (without the " of course) [11:32] <JohnP789> aeruder, Can I just do an apt-get upgrade on my kernel package once I've chrooted? [11:32] <Ice9> can anybody tell me why dvd playback is choppy? I have dma enabled, and I've tried several players. [11:32] <BTJustice> Liquidfire: If I type 'alsamixer' I get nothing. [11:32] <rickity> aeruder, i guess I'm not sure what to look for in dmesg [11:32] <somedude_> and i did a server install [11:32] <Liquidfire> open your terminal BTJustice and type alsamixer [11:32] <Liquidfire> huh :o [11:32] <aeruder> JohnP789: yes, if you get chroot'd (and mount your dev and proc int there first) [11:32] <Liquidfire> try alsamixer -c 1 [11:32] <bimberi> somedude_: ok :) have another! [11:32] <aeruder> JohnP789: you should be able to manage getting a more or less full ubuntu system inside of knoppix sorta ;) [11:33] <BTJustice> Liguidfire: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory [11:33] <topyli> hardw1re: i don't think so, it shouldn't interfere with X [11:33] <aeruder> JohnP789: i do this a lot to do development on several different distros [11:33] <Liquidfire> wierd [11:33] <JohnP789> aeruder, OK, I'll give that a try. (I'll boot from my Ubuntu Live CD. My install is x86_64, so I'd think Knoppix would be a problem.) [11:33] <somedude_> bimberi, haha.. im home now.. no more whiskey here! ;) [11:33] <aeruder> rickity: i don't have a usb mass storage to mess around with... :-/ [11:33] <aeruder> rickity: eh, one sec [11:33] <bimberi> somedude_: :) [11:33] <somedude_> =) [11:34] <chrissturm> does beagle in breezy index openoffice files= [11:34] <Liquidfire> BTJustice, [11:34] <rickity> aeruder, thanks a 10^6 [11:34] <Liquidfire> try this wiki [11:34] <d2dchat> concerning the configuration of apache, what is my groupname? [11:34] <BTJustice> Liquidfire: Yes? [11:34] <d2dchat> my server name? [11:34] <Liquidfire> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary [11:34] <patricia> Hi [11:34] <WodanTJ> patricia: Hi [11:34] <Ice9> can anybody tell me why dvd playback is choppy? I have dma enabled, and I've tried several players. [11:34] <Liquidfire> is it possible to make a shortcut to the nvidia-settings on the desktop ? [11:34] <bimberi> somedude_: if you only want net installs, comment out the "deb cd-rom" line in /etc/apt/sources.list [11:35] <aeruder> Liquidfire: no idea ;) [11:35] <somedude_> sweet! thanks [11:35] <aeruder> Liquidfire: i don't have desktop icons.. so ;) [11:35] <bimberi> somedude_: then "sudo apt-get update" [11:35] <Liquidfire> I don't mind [11:35] <hal> somedude_, you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list [11:35] <lvraab> Ice9: have you tried Ogle?? [11:35] <Patolin3000> Ice9: try to install totem-xine [11:35] <Liquidfire> i've got 4 working things to fuck up [11:35] <Liquidfire> so [11:35] <Liquidfire> ;D [11:35] <somedude_> ok, checking [11:35] <WodanTJ> Liquidfire: did it become 2 small things after that lovely time? [11:36] <somedude_> i feel bad asking, but how whats the uncomment thingie mark - #? [11:36] <aeruder> ok, rickity [11:36] <bimberi> somedude_: yep [11:36] <Liquidfire> huh WodanTJ :p? [11:36] <somedude_> ok, thansk AGAIN! [11:36] <aeruder> rickity: look in /sys/block/ for a sd* block device [11:36] <aeruder> rickity: after plugging it in [11:36] <WodanTJ> Liquidfire: well if you get 4 to make love then perhaps they get 2 children.. that would be beautiful [11:36] <dishfish> ahh, on #ubuntu [11:36] <Liquidfire> lol WodanTJ [11:36] <bob_too> any trick to tftpd-hpa? netstat -apn |grep ":69 " does nada (breezy colony3) [11:37] <Liquidfire> darn you linux humor ! [11:37] <Liquidfire> :) [11:37] <gummel> huhu [11:37] <rickity> aeruder, no such files [11:37] <Patolin3000> Ice9: or try to reduce the color deph in the X's [11:37] <dishfish> any south africans here? [11:37] <aeruder> rickity: no /sys/block ? [11:37] <rickity> ls /sys/block/sda* is null [11:37] <BTJustice> Liquidfire: I tried the General Fix on that website. Still no dice. [11:37] <dishfish> i've been working on skolelinux.... basically there's one problem [11:37] <aeruder> rickity: no sd anything [11:37] <aeruder> ? [11:37] <bimberi> dishfish: no - only depressed aussie rugby fans :) [11:38] <aeruder> rickity: lsmod show usb_storage module ? [11:38] <rickity> aeruder, /sys/block exists...ram* and d* exist...no sda [11:38] <aeruder> rickity: (lsmod | grep usb_storage) [11:38] <d2dchat> how do you configure groupnames in apache? [11:38] <rickity> aeruder, neg...only usb_core [11:38] <dishfish> ubuntu + shuttleworth have some prestigious education and scientific software on tehm (scientific probly imported from Irix) [11:38] <othernoob> how do i convert a .wmv file to mpeg so i can play it in a dvdplayer? [11:38] <d2dchat> i didnt think i belonged to a groupname [11:38] <rickity> aeruder, sorry usbcore [11:38] <aeruder> rickity: hrmm, try loading usb_storage (sudo modprobe usb_storage) [11:38] <dishfish> i'd like to merge them fully with Debian [11:39] <aeruder> othernoob: isntall mplayer and mencoder, although i'm not sure there are packages for those .. [11:39] <rickity> aeruder, now its loaded [11:39] <bz0b> can someone help me out really quick? [11:39] <othernoob> aeruder: and then? [11:39] <aeruder> othernoob: rtfm ;) [11:39] <aeruder> othernoob: they've got several examples at the bottom of the mplayer manpage [11:40] <aeruder> othernoob: of how to use mencoder [11:40] <dishfish> i'm stationed with my project in Kenya, but south africans would be a great help, since the distance between south africa and Kenya is substantially smaller than say, between my present location Finland and kenya [11:40] <bz0b> Im trying to make menuconfig and it poped up this blue thing, cause Im trying to install my madwifi drivers for wireless card can someone please help me? [11:40] <pauldaous1> crimsun: you there? [11:40] <othernoob> aeruder: ok [11:40] <aeruder> rickity: ok, i guess try unplugging/plugging in a gain [11:40] <aeruder> see if you get any new /sys/block devices :) [11:40] <aeruder> (make sure lsmod shows it btw) [11:40] <rickity> aeruder, tried it..still no sys/block/sdas [11:40] <Ice9> Patolin3000, still nothing :/ [11:40] <bz0b> hello [11:41] <bz0b> is no one going to help me :-( [11:41] <rickity> aeruder, I wonder why usbstorage wasn't installed by defrault [11:41] <gsuveg> where is the GENERIC kernel config of ubuntu kernel ? maybe it help bz0b [11:41] <Patolin3000> Ice9: what you do? [11:41] <aeruder> rickity: it should be if it is recognized as being supported [11:41] <aeruder> rickity: mine autoloads [11:41] <aeruder> rickity: so it could be that either your usb system is just fscked up somehow [11:41] <aeruder> rickity: or there's just somethign strange about that usb disk [11:42] <Ice9> Patolin3000 I tried totem-xine and reducing my color to 16 bits [11:42] <BTJustice> I had a Creative SB Live! 7.1 sound card, but it gave me so many problems that I got rid of it. I just put my old Creative SB Live! 5.1 sound card back in. What do I need to do to get it to work in Kubuntu? [11:42] <dishfish> or, i mean Ubuntu as a custom Debian should share repositories, have the same development standard etc. [11:42] <aeruder> rickity: you can dig around in /sys/bus/usb and perhaps find some more information on it [11:42] <Patolin3000> Ice9: do you have the DMA on? [11:42] <lvraab> Ice9: try Ogle [11:42] <aeruder> rickity: but that is sometimes a bit difficult [11:42] <Concord_Dawn> ermm [11:42] <Mr-Data> Question: I recently did some upgrades that were recommended by Ubuntu Upgrade Manager. I'm not sure whether this is a coincidence, but now epiphany refuses to accept a letter "t" in the location bar or the search box, or in forms. But, if I bring up a Find dialog box or an Add Bookmark dialog box, the "T" works fine. It also works fine in other applications. Any thoughts? [11:42] <Concord_Dawn> can someone please remove Guest86119? [11:42] <Ice9> lvraab, I did [11:42] <Concord_Dawn> [17:42:22] Guest86119 280 //Server Irc.ArabMirc.Net 280 Bots Are Free Just Jor Registering A Chan The Best Sever Have Been Ever Built !!!! :) by: Lebanon <--- he pasted me that. [11:42] <dishfish> it wouldbe a lot easier to implement solutions on Ubuntu if it was 1000% debian -compatible [11:42] <Tarcastil> hey, is there a way to search for packages based on the maintainer? [11:42] <rickity> aeruder, thats what I thought (should be automatic)...oh well..I'll keep digging..thanks a lot for your help [11:43] <hal> so no specialist of ubuntu on laptop here ? [11:43] <Ice9> Patolin3000 It says dma is enabled, but the symptons are like dma isn't.. [11:43] <Concord_Dawn> hal: join #ubuntu-laptop for that. [11:43] <gsuveg> anybody know how can i play mov ? im compiled xine and installed mplayer with win32codecs. and dont play 'new' mov [11:43] <aeruder> rickity: /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-1:1.0/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0 [11:43] <Concord_Dawn> Can anyone tell me how to make something startup on startup? [11:43] <hal> thanks Concord_Dawn [11:43] <aeruder> rickity: that's where i found my entry for my usb device ;) might be able to use the output of lsusb to get to the right place [11:44] <aeruder> rickity: there are lots of files in there that may help figure out how it is detecting it etc.. but i don't know a ton about it [11:44] <BTJustice> Whenever the sound system starts, I get this error: device /dev/dsp can't be opened. [11:44] <Grat> Concord_Dawn put a symlink into one of the RC directorys? [11:44] <bz0b> can anyone tell me what to do in this blue screen that poped up after i typed make menuconfig in /usr/src/linux [11:44] <Patolin3000> Ice9: do you try Xine? not totem-xine [11:44] <aeruder> bz0b: configure your kernel [11:44] <Ice9> yes, I tried xine first, its my favorite [11:44] <Concord_Dawn> Grat, ? [11:44] <bz0b> aeruder, can you tell me the generic kernel config? [11:45] <Mr-Data> I thought my keyboard was broken, but it's not. ;> [11:45] <aeruder> bz0b: http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/Kernel-Build-HOWTO.html [11:45] <Patolin3000> Icew: what kind of machine have? [11:45] <gsuveg> aeruder: he is newbye. it help to get the generic kernel config [11:45] <Grat> Concord_Dawn what would you like to run on startup? [11:45] <Concord_Dawn> Firestarter. [11:45] <Ice9> its a p4 3.06 ghz, 3 gigs of ram [11:45] <aeruder> bz0b: compiling and configuring your kernel isn't a trivial thing [11:45] <aeruder> gsuveg: i'll leave that as an exercise to him ;) [11:46] <Concord_Dawn> it needs root privileges. [11:46] <gsuveg> aeruder: ok [11:46] <aeruder> i have strong faith that he can figure it out ;) [11:46] <WodanTJ> aeruder: imo you should never have to compile your own kernel [11:46] <aeruder> WodanTJ: oh, and why do you say that? [11:46] <WodanTJ> not to fix anything. only to finetune [11:46] <aeruder> WodanTJ: yes, this is true, unless you need to patch, or fix a distro blunder [11:46] <WodanTJ> aeruder: since they are made to be as flexible as possible [11:46] <aeruder> or any other number of things [11:46] <gsuveg> bz0b: good luck [11:46] <aeruder> (including kernel devel) [11:46] <Grat> Concord_Dawn: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7812.html [11:47] <WodanTJ> aeruder: yeah well recompile the module that fscks it up? [11:47] <sorin> hello... [11:47] <Grat> that will probably help :> [11:47] <Grat> ellow sorin [11:47] <Concord_Dawn> thanks Grat [11:47] <sorin> i have a question about this distro: ..... [11:47] <Patolin3000> Ice9: try to chose another video driver in the xine options [11:47] <sorin> why dosen't it include more software on the CD's ? [11:47] <aeruder> WodanTJ: or compile into the kernel [11:48] <mjr> sorin, it's full already [11:48] <Grat> sorin: it has most things you need. for more things it would probably need more cds [11:48] <aeruder> WodanTJ: i do kernel development, so i tend to prefer the compiling route ;) [11:48] <Patolin3000> Ice9:maybe the X11 driver [11:48] <ninjafish> sorin, because people do not want 12 versions of every type of software [11:48] <Patolin3000> Ice9: or OpenGL [11:48] <ninjafish> its too confusing [11:48] <sorin> full ?.. i've just writen mine and it's at 590 MB [11:48] <Ice9> Patolin3000, I don't have either of those :/ [11:48] <WodanTJ> aeruder: yeah but for end user you shouldn't make them recompile the kernel :) [11:49] <ninjafish> sorin it is easier to support [11:49] <Grat> sorin what would you like to have on the CD? [11:49] <sedat> hi all my microphone doesnt work is there any suggestion to fix [11:49] <sorin> I don't need 12 versions... [11:49] <Patolin3000> Ice9: inthe options of xine [11:49] <Patolin3000> Ice9:or in the options of Mplayer [11:49] <ninjafish> sorin and kde is not there [11:49] <mjr> oh yeah, hoary had a bit space left; breezy was stuffed [11:49] <sorin> ninjafish: whell you're right ... [11:49] <lvraab> sedat: is it a software problem?? [11:49] <BTJustice> I had a Creative SB Live! 7.1 sound card, but it gave me so many problems that I got rid of it. I just put my old Creative SB Live! 5.1 sound card back in. What do I need to do to get it to work in Kubuntu? [11:49] <BTJustice> Whenever the sound system starts, I get this error: device /dev/dsp can't be opened. [11:49] <Ice9> Patolin3000, I see the list of drivers, but those 2 aren't there [11:49] <BTJustice> alsamixer brings up nothing [11:50] <sedat> I am not sure how can sure it [11:50] <sorin> ninjafish: but i am talking about the software you need to download from the net if you want to install thigs after the distro instal [11:50] <Patolin3000> Ice9: try other [11:50] <FunnyLookinHat> if I need to change the Option "MonitorLayout" etc. etc. setting, where is that file? [11:50] <Grat> sorin: like what software? give an example [11:50] <Phr0stByte> <-----------Trashed his system trying to upgrade to Breezy [11:50] <Phr0stByte> hahahaha [11:51] <Cletus> sorin: download how? via apt? [11:51] <lvraab> sedat: find a sound recorder/editing program and see if you can record from the mic [11:51] <lvraab> sedat: e.g. Audacity [11:51] <sedat> no I cant [11:51] <ninjafish> sorin, give an example of something you needed that was not there on the cd [11:51] <sorin> Grat: whell i had ubuntu installed a last week ... and i wanted to install something and it began downloading part of it from the net [11:51] <lvraab> sedat: why not?? [11:51] <sorin> ninjafish: I don't remember... [11:51] <sedat> I tried to use skype [11:51] <sedat> but it couldnt [11:51] <pauldaous1> hey, folks, I have the most BIZARRRRRE problem you've ever seen. Any sound I play (doesn't matter if it's a WAV or MP3, or through OSS or ALSA) is SSSSSLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWW... I just tried to play a song by Coldplay and it sounded like a horror movie soundtrack. [11:51] <pauldaous1> (had a good laugh) [11:51] <FunnyLookinHat> if I need to change the Option "MonitorLayout" etc. etc. setting, where is that file? [11:52] <sorin> ninjafish: I'm about to install ubuntu right now and i'll tell you when i'm done [11:52] <Patolin3000> Ice9: do you have 32-bit option on in your DVD? [11:52] <WodanTJ> pauldaous1: well.. coldplay sux :) [11:52] <pauldaous1> 0000:00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 20) [11:52] <pauldaous1> (that's the relevant line from lspci output) [11:52] <pauldaous1> WodanTJ: them's fighting words [11:52] <sedat> it doesnt work [11:52] <WodanTJ> pauldaous1: words of zombies! [11:52] <ninjafish> sorin the formats such as mp3 dvd flash java etc are not all there due to licencing restrictions [11:52] <ninjafish> same with some drivers [11:52] <sorin> sedat: skype dosen't work with alsa... [11:52] <Grat> sorin: you cant have all the software on the cd, so of course you have to download it from the web [11:52] <Ice9> Patolin3000 how do I check? [11:52] <pauldaous1> so nobody's experienced slow, drawn-out audio playback? [11:53] <lvraab> sedat: have you tried using other programs to see if your mic is dead?? [11:53] <Ice9> Patolin3000 when I put in a dvd, shouldn't it say dvd, and not cdrom0? [11:53] <Cletus> ninjafish: how do I get that stuff to work? I ditched RH because they stopped supporting mp3 [11:53] <Patolin3000> Ice9: hdparm /dev/hd(the leter of you dvd) [11:53] <sedat> lvraab: I tried it with ubuntus sound recorder and I had nothing [11:53] <sorin> sedat: what do you have ... gnome or kde ? [11:53] <lvraab> sedat: if your mic work in another program, then it's skype's problem [11:53] <lvraab> *works [11:53] <ninjafish> Cletus there is a link on the ubuntu wiki - restricted formats [11:53] <esc_ape> red hat stopped supporting mp3? [11:53] <sorin> ninjafish: i'll get back to you after the install ... [11:53] <Patolin3000> Ice9: in my case is hdparm /dev/hdc [11:53] <sedat> sorin: gnome [11:54] <Cletus> they did for a while esc_ape [11:54] <WodanTJ> esc_ape: he must mean fedora [11:54] <Cletus> thanks ninjafish [11:54] <esc_ape> oh [11:54] <sorin> sedat: and what is exactly the problem [11:54] <Cletus> yeah, sorry "fedora" [11:54] <ninjafish> mp3 is a restricted format, [11:54] <Ice9> Patolin3000 IO_support =0(default 16 bit) [11:54] <sorin> sedat: dose it say something about no sound ? [11:54] <ErniePantusso> fedora stopped supporting mp3? [11:54] <Concord_Dawn> hmm... [11:54] <sedat> sorin: I couldnt use my microphone [11:54] <Patolin3000> Ice9: you have to turn on [11:54] <Ice9> how do I do that? [11:55] <sedat> sorin: no it doesnt [11:55] <dishfish> "the software business is binary, 1 or 0, alive or dead - it scales don't you think" [11:55] <sedat> sorin: no error [11:55] <johnio> hey everybody: could anybody give me some pointers about getting nvidia driver working for colony 3 [11:55] <lvraab> sedatL is your mic volume turned all the way up?? [11:55] <Grat> damn, i wish i would have patented binary :> [11:55] <sorin> sedat: so it dosen't say anithing .... ?? [11:56] <sedat> lvraab: yes it is [11:56] <sorin> sedat: people just can't hear you ? [11:56] <Patolin3000> ice9: sudo hdparm -c 1 /dev/hdX (the X is the leter of you DVD) [11:56] <sedat> sorin: yes they cant [11:56] <lvraab> heh [11:56] <BTJustice> I had a Creative SB Live! 7.1 sound card, but it gave me so many problems that I got rid of it. I just put my old Creative SB Live! 5.1 sound card back in. What do I need to do to get it to work in Kubuntu? [11:56] <BTJustice> Whenever the sound system starts, I get this error: device /dev/dsp can't be opened. [11:56] <BTJustice> alsamixer brings up nothing [11:56] <sedat> sorin: also I tried it with sound recorder in ubuntu but I cant hear anything [11:56] <Ice9> okay [11:56] <sorin> sedat: could you explain exactly what the problem is then ? [11:56] <lvraab> :-/ [11:56] <Ice9> do I have to restart? or will it be in effect? [11:57] <sorin> sedat: so it's the mic's fault ? [11:57] <Patolin3000> Ice9: no, then you try totem or xine or werever [11:57] <sedat> no I think device is okey because I can use it under windows [11:57] <token> is there a reason why isn't either xv or xnview in the list of synaptic? [11:57] <Grat> sorin: it could be the mic, cable, motherboard or ubuntu [11:57] <Grat> :> [11:58] <leo_> i am newbies in linux [11:58] <Grat> but since it works under windows it is ubuntu :> [11:58] <Tarcastil> what's up with Guest86119? [11:58] <sedat> sorin: no I think device is okey because I can use it under windows [11:58] <Grat> ellow leo_ :> [11:58] <Tarcastil> it's a bot that keeps annoying me if I open or close this channel [11:58] <sorin> sedat: have you checked in alsamixer ?? [11:58] <Grat> HEY OPS [11:58] <Grat> Guest86119 SPAMMER! [11:58] <Ice9> Patolin3000 its still choppy :/ [11:58] <leo_> what is webpage editer in ubuntu ! [11:59] <sorin> I have gentoo so there might be some diferences ..... [11:59] <sedat> sorin: what does that mean exactly [11:59] <token> is there a reason why isn't either xv nor xnview in the list of synaptic? [11:59] <ninjafish> sorin alsamixer is the same [11:59] <sorin> sedat: go in console and type alsamixer [11:59] <ninjafish> default is mute [11:59] <Patolin3000> Ice9: what apear when you put "hdparm /dev/hdX"? [12:00] <sorin> ninjafish: I know but i don't know if in ubuntu is installed default

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2005-08-25-#ubuntu-devel

[12:07] <jdub> jbailey: like, building the first basic cpio archive with tools (busybox and klibc, etc.) on the buildd, and then doing the module cpio archive on the client [12:08] <jbailey> w00t /lastlog [12:08] <jbailey> jdub: No. [12:09] <jbailey> jdub: Fabio pointed out that it makes the story complicated for people who do home-built kernels if we're not careful about it. [12:10] <jdub> jbailey: hrm, extra option on make-kpkg? [12:11] <jdub> gotta run away to the country :-) [12:11] <jdub> ciao! [12:11] <lu|brb> slacker ;) [12:11] <jbailey> jdub: 'bye. =) [12:11] <jdub> it's pretty rad how i can hibernate windows on my desktop :-) [12:14] <Keybuk> people who build their own kernels worryme [12:14] <Keybuk> it was normal 10 years ago, but not today [12:17] <maswan> well, it would be fun if the distribution kernel supported everything you needed. last time I checked at work, we were 2-3 things away from that though. :/ [12:17] <maswan> (we do have the policy of distribution kernel where available, for easier secuirty updates though) [12:18] <torkel> maswan: I'm afraid we will never be able to run dist kernels everywhere... [12:18] <maswan> torkel: yeah, I know [12:19] <torkel> maswan: at least not until ClusterFs changes their mind :-( [12:30] <tseng> evening sabdfl [12:30] <sabdfl> hey tseng [12:43] <mdz> [2] + Stopped tail -f log [12:43] <mdz> (breezy-i386)mdz@concordia:~ $ fg [12:43] <mdz> tail -f log [12:43] <mdz> tail: cannot read realtime clock: Invalid argument [12:43] <mdz> elmo: is that normal? [12:50] <elmo> I dunno, amd64 has traditionally had troubles with the RTC [12:50] <elmo> but I've never seen userland things like tail try to use it before [12:51] <Keybuk> ok, the world has officially gone mad [12:51] <Keybuk> someone stop it, I want to get off [12:51] <Keybuk> this tin of tuna has written on it (and I'm not kidding); Allergy warning: CONTAINS FISH [12:52] <elmo> dude, if daisyduke can think it's chicken... [12:56] <opi> is Evolution broken for Breezy? [12:59] <Keybuk> http://www.netsplit.com/tmp/contains-fish.jpg [01:01] <opi> Keybuk, can be dangerus [01:01] <Keybuk> IT'S A TIN OF TUNA! OF COURSE IT CONTAINS FISH! [01:02] <opi> Keybuk, well, maybe it's cat food? Cat food can contain tuna, but it's not a fish ;) [01:02] <Keybuk> at least it doesn't say "May Contain Dolphin" [01:02] <Nafallo> LOL [01:02] <opi> Keybuk, it's missing the ,,Please, save the animals'' and ,,Don't eat me!'' tags, too [01:20] <mdz> jbailey: so I've run into a situation where I need to be able to conditionalize the loading of a module in initramfs [01:21] <mdz> jbailey: currently I just list the module in a modules.d file and everything is cool [01:21] <mdz> jbailey: but I need to be able to either a) disable its inclusion in the initramfs at initramfs-build-time, or b) disable its loading at runtime [01:33] <jbailey> mdz: You can do either. Hooks are at buildtime and runtime. Basically, they're shell scripts that have access to all of the functions that the main scripts do. [01:34] <jbailey> mdz: If you look in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks, you'll find the build time hooks that get called. [01:35] <jbailey> Otherwise, you can also just drop a script in to the right directory in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/ to get it called at the right time. [01:38] <mdz> jbailey: if I understand correctly, being listed in modules.d means both inclusion in the ramfs and being loaded at runtime, so I don't think I have a choice [01:45] <jbailey> mdz: You can put a thing in the hook script to "manual_add_modules FOO" to cause it to be included in the initramfs, and then modprobe the module in a runtime script [01:47] <jbailey> force_load FOO causes it to be included and always loaded as if it were in modules.d [01:54] <mdz> jbailey: thanks [02:11] <mdz> jbailey: force_load didn't work for me [02:11] <mdz> jbailey: it was not even copied into the initramfs [02:12] <mdz> it certainly looks like it should though [02:13] <segfault> sorry for the OT, but who is responsible for setting up mailing lists? [02:14] <mdz> segfault: setting them up, or deciding whether they are appropriate? [02:16] <segfault> well, both. i'd like to know if its possible to create a list for translations discussion, ubuntu-l10n-pt-br [02:16] <mdz> segfault: community council [02:17] <segfault> ok, i'll add to the agenda of the next meeting [02:23] <segfault> is there any plan to include reiser4 support in the default kernel? or just when it gets into the vanilla kernel? [02:24] <mdz> jbailey: it does get added to conf/modules, but the .ko isn't included in the fs [02:24] <mdz> segfault: kernel-team@lists.ubuntu.com [02:26] <mdz> aha [02:26] <mdz> force_load() [02:26] <mdz> { [02:26] <mdz> manual_add_modules ${module} [02:26] <mdz> echo ${@} >>${DESTDIR}/conf/modules [02:26] <mdz> } [02:26] <mdz> jbailey: ${module} should be $1 [02:27] <mdz> that certainly took a long time to spot [02:31] <jbailey> Hmm. But then parameters to the module won't get included. [02:31] <jbailey> I'm guessing that in the bit that loads them on I need to remember to filter the extra bits at that time. [02:32] <womble> Does anyone else skim the thread subjects for "Colony CD 3" and get mental audio of Cartman singing "Swiss Colony Beef Log"? [02:34] <mdz> jbailey: parameters? [02:34] <mdz> jbailey: you told me to invoke force_load FOO, but that causes manual_add_modules to be invoked without arguments [02:38] <Keybuk> womble: no. [02:38] <Keybuk> ;) [03:04] <jbailey> mdz: Right, Shouldn't answer questions while I'm on the phone. =) The idea is that you could say something like "3c509 io=0x280" and have it pass the parameter to the module. [03:04] <jbailey> But I see what you mean. manual_add_modules needs the ${1} [03:04] <jbailey> I thought you mean on the echo line instead of the ${@} [03:21] <elmo> hmm, anyone know off hand how to say either sort by or grep by line length without resorting to python/perl? [03:25] <segfault> | wc -l | sort -n? [03:26] <carstenh> echo -e "foo\nbarfoo" | egrep '^.{3}$' [03:28] <carstenh> skip the $ if you want all lines with at a length of at least n [03:28] <elmo> carstenh: aha, thanks, good idea [03:29] <elmo> segfault: wc would also have worked too, tnx [04:09] <wasabi> Is there a general tutorial on programming pygtk? For instance, I am curious about actual project layout... not just how to code. [04:10] <womble> wasabi: Different people will probably have wildly different ideas about how to structure their PyGTK projects. [04:11] <womble> One of the benefits of OSS -- you get to look at lots of real-world examples to hone your own style. <grin> [04:12] <jp> congrats dudes, breezy is rocking a lot! thanks :) [05:03] <seth_k> Treenaks, you about? [05:07] <seth_k> Treenaks, if you see this, your PyBlosxom murdered Planet Ubuntu's RSS feeds. If you'll take a look, you'll notice that your DC:Creator is being returned as Martijn van de Streek <martijn@foodfight.org> and the carets are breaking the RSS feeds. Thanks! [07:09] <wasabi> What would be the proper way to return the system's dist (hoary, breezy, etc) from the command line? [07:10] <elmo> /etc/lsbsomething [07:10] <wasabi> ahh yes [07:11] <wasabi> lsb_release or something [07:11] <thoreauputic> lsb_release -a (for all info) [07:11] <Treenaks> seth_k: ok, thnx [07:11] <thoreauputic> as a command [07:13] <seth_k> cheers Treenaks [07:13] <seth_k> good to see you on Planet now btw :) [07:13] <Treenaks> 1/q seth_k [07:13] <Treenaks> uh [07:18] <Treenaks> seth_k: see pm :) [07:20] <seth_k> apologies Treenaks if you had a question, I got disconnected. Did you want to ask something? [07:27] <rob^> is gnome-app-install prefered over synaptic in breezy? [07:30] <Treenaks> rob^: depends on what you want to do :) [07:30] <rob^> write about installing applications in Yelp [07:30] <Treenaks> ask the docteam then :) [07:30] <rob^> I am the lead author of the faq guide [07:31] <rob^> thats odd, I did a search for ssh in gnome-app-install for "ssh" and it turned up nothing [07:31] <Treenaks> rob^: gnome-app-install doesn't contain everything [07:32] <rob^> yeah.. hmm [07:35] <elmo> CRITICAL - 580 processes running [07:35] <elmo> GOOD MORNING FABBIONE [07:35] <fabbione> ahha [07:35] <fabbione> morning elmo :) [07:35] <fabbione> i am only at -j150 [07:35] <fabbione> it can't be only me [07:36] <fabbione> elmo: did you tell Karl not to worry about these general warnings? ;) [07:38] <fabbione> i didn't expect you to be up at this time of the day [07:38] <fabbione> mdz: wake up dude? [07:50] <wasabi> Pygtk folks: I am trying to take some binary data and turn it into a pixbuf or something suitable for putting in a GtkImage widget. [07:50] <wasabi> I know the mime type only. [07:55] <mdz> fabbione: yes? [07:57] <fabbione> mdz: i think i have a fix for unionfs.. i am building a test kernel for you [07:57] <fabbione> if that works, you can blame unionfs upstream... [07:58] <fabbione> what i see is that unionfs_delete_inode doesn't lock the kernel like all the others 2983 FS do [07:58] <fabbione> and it doesn't trunkate the inode before such operation [07:58] <fabbione> that might lead to a race in certain operations [07:58] <fabbione> = oops [07:58] <fabbione> i can't be 100% sure.. but we can give it a shot [07:59] <fabbione> mdz: what falvour do you need to test? [08:00] <fabbione> so i can probably speed up the build [08:00] <fabbione> (i need to go away anyhow) [08:05] <mdz> fabbione: I've implemented a workaround in ltsp [08:05] <mdz> to avoid using unionfs at all [08:05] <fabbione> mdz: meh.. i would still like to see if the fix work [08:05] <mdz> fabbione: but nonetheless, this works 100% in 2.6.12-6.10, and 0% in 2.6.12-7.11 [08:05] <fabbione> mdz: yes i got that from the bug report.. [08:06] <mdz> I didn't see any changes which looked relevant, but it is difficult to see which actual files in the kernel tree change from one revision to another [08:06] <mdz> do you have some tools which do this? [08:06] <mdz> it is especially hard when 400k lines of diff are uploaded in one revision [08:06] <fabbione> mdz: compare the 2 linux-tree ? [08:06] <fabbione> mdz: i would have uploaded early and with less changes, but we had colony 3 in the way [08:06] <mdz> fabbione: apply the patches in both places and diff -ru? [08:07] <mdz> I suppose that works [08:07] <fabbione> mdz: the 2 linux-tree have already the patches applied... [08:07] <fabbione> so you just need to rediff it [08:07] <mdz> oh, they do? I thought they weren't applied until the build [08:07] <fabbione> linux-tree is already patched iirc.. [08:07] <fabbione> it's in the description [08:08] <fabbione> + we ship the patch on top of upstream [08:08] <fabbione> Package: linux-source-2.6.12 [08:08] <fabbione> Description: Linux kernel source for version 2.6.12 with Ubuntu patches [08:09] <mdz> fabbione: BenC was able to reproduce this on different hardware, by the way, I don't think it's related to acpi or otherwise hardware related [08:09] <mdz> fabbione: that is the description for the binary package; are the patches applied in the source package as well? [08:09] <fabbione> mdz: ok.. if you can tell me what flavour you need, i can give you a module to test right now [08:10] <mdz> 386 [08:10] <fabbione> mdz: apt-get source linux-source-2.6.12 -> patches are in debian/patches [08:10] <mdz> ltsp only uses generic kernels [08:10] <fabbione> apt-get install linux-source-2.6.12 patches are applied [08:10] <mdz> fabbione: right, apt-get install linux-source-2.6.12 gets you the current version only [08:10] <mdz> which doesn't help to diff between two versions [08:11] <mdz> but if there is a rules target to apply all the patches, I can use that [08:11] <fabbione> fabbione@concordia:~/deve/linux-source-2.6.12-2.6.12/debian/build/build-386/fs/unionfs/unionfs.ko [08:11] <fabbione> mdz: grab that one and tell me if it works [08:12] <fabbione> mdz: use the morgue to get the old version.. [08:12] <fabbione> or get it from baz.. [08:12] <fabbione> but than you will need to build it [08:13] <fabbione> or use the target monolith in the source [08:13] <mdz> why would I want to build it? [08:13] <fabbione> apt-get source... [08:13] <mdz> I just want to diff the source [08:13] <fabbione> ./debian/rules monolith [08:13] <mdz> isn't there a debian/rules target to apply all patches? [08:13] <fabbione> and than diff [08:13] <fabbione> yes [08:13] <fabbione> i am just writing it to you [08:13] <fabbione> the above [08:13] <mdz> apply all patches = "monolith"?? [08:13] <fabbione> make the monolith in the old and new [08:13] <mdz> how about "patch" [08:13] <fabbione> monolith does something more... [08:14] <fabbione> mdz: there is also patch, but please use monolith [08:14] <fabbione> if you want to get extraheadakes use patch [08:14] <fabbione> up to you.. [08:14] <mdz> ok, so you do have a target called patch, but it doesn't work right? [08:14] <mdz> or what? [08:14] <fabbione> mdz: i don't recall all the details right now. there is some extra stuff done by monolith [08:15] <fabbione> it's ages i don't touch that stuff [08:15] <fabbione> or even look at it [08:15] <mdz> fabbione: were you able to reproduce the unionfs bug? [08:15] <fabbione> no because i woke up 2 hours ago... [08:15] <fabbione> and it's saturday morning.. and i absolutely need to go and take a break for we [08:15] <mdz> yes, it's nearly midnight on friday here [08:16] <mdz> the module from concordia breaks in exactly the same way as the old one [08:16] <fabbione> ok.. [08:16] <mdz> but it's ok, forget it [08:16] <mdz> I have a contingency plan [08:16] <mdz> I am ditching unionfs [08:16] <fabbione> ok.. [08:16] <fabbione> even better... [08:16] <mdz> we obviously can't rely on it [08:16] <fabbione> it's too fragile [08:17] <fabbione> it didn't even compile for a long while on ppc [08:17] <fabbione> anyway.. i am off... have a good weekend guys [08:17] <mdz> bye [08:42] <mdz> infinity: did you see the oo.o2 failure already? [08:43] <mdz> infinity: seems like it might be something similar to the cairo fixes you're making [08:44] <pef> hello [09:08] <infinity> mdz : Will look into it. [09:08] <mdz> infinity: short version: mozilla-dev: Depends: mozilla-browser (= 2:1.7.11-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed [09:08] <infinity> Alright, easy enough to hunt down. [09:11] <infinity> There are still ~100 packages depending on libcairo1, so I expect some archive weirdness while I sort out the build failures and finish seb's transition. [09:12] <infinity> No big deal. [09:14] <\sh> infinity: send me a list with packages MOTUs could work on... [09:14] <\sh> infinity: will deal with it a little bit later..need to go to office...the pope and his energy is erasing our dtv smartcards *grmpf* [09:15] <infinity> \sh : apt-cache rdepends libcairo1, and see if it's in section universe/* ? :) [09:15] <\sh> infinity: yeah...I'm just lazy ,-) [09:15] <infinity> \sh : Most of it just needs to be retries on the buildds in the right order though, so probably not muhc for you to help with unless you see obvious breakage (like what I just fixed with firefox and oregano) [09:15] <infinity> s/retries/retried/ [09:17] <\sh> infinity: k...will deal with it when I'm back home...It's 7:17 UTC and office called me 6:00 UTC... that'll be a bad day [09:17] <Treenaks> I see lots of black "flicker" in firefox (since the cairo update I think) [09:18] <infinity> Treenaks : firefox hasn't been updated for the new cairo yet. Wait for it to build, installe the new one, then complain if it still sucks. :) [09:18] <\sh> ok...gentlemen see u later [09:18] <Treenaks> infinity: ok :) [09:19] <infinity> (But yes, I've noticed newly-started windows seem to start out as big black rectangles, etc.. Though only with mozilla-based apps, in my case thuderbird and firefox) [09:19] <infinity> I'm waiting for the transition to be done before I pass a verdict on that, though. [09:19] <Treenaks> EEK.. that usplash ubuntu-logo.. on my 1024x768 laptop.. stretched.. without antialiasing [09:19] <Treenaks> *shudder* [09:20] <infinity> mjg59's already admitted to not being much of an artist. :) [09:20] <infinity> I'm sure AndyFitz will provide us with something prettier in fairly short order, but it's more important to get the technical side hammered out first (so we know if we can even ship the feature) [09:21] <Treenaks> infinity: oh sure.. [09:21] <Treenaks> infinity: but the scaling is the problem here :) [09:21] <Treenaks> infinity: siliconmotion = sucky hardware :) [09:36] <highvoltage> Treenaks: the resolulution is 640x480 at that stage. [09:37] <infinity> highvoltage : Yes, but the laptop isn't. [09:37] <infinity> At any rate, a slightly less ugly logo will help a bit, but stretching laptop displays pretty much always looks crap. [09:39] <mdz> infinity: you could script that a lot sooner than waiting for me to add it to apt [09:39] <infinity> Yeah, it generally involves a Ctrl-C, followed by expletives, followed by downloading a previous version of the source so I have an orig.tar.gz, then the current again. [09:39] <infinity> It's the Ctrl-C and swearing bit I'd like to avoid. [09:40] <mdz> scripts usually don't swear ;-) [09:40] <wasabi> Apple has it figured out. [09:40] <infinity> You haven't read any of mine.. [09:40] <wasabi> They don't boot with a logo. [09:40] <wasabi> They boot with the simpliest two tone animation they can. [09:41] <wasabi> We should boot with nothing but a small spinning Ubuntu logo haha [09:41] <mdz> the ubuntu logo doesn't spin [09:41] <infinity> We could boot with a compuer with a happy face on the monitor. No one's ever done THAT before. [09:41] <wasabi> haha [09:41] <mdz> my apple booted with a logo the last time I checked [09:42] <infinity> And when the boot fails, switch it to a sad face, with NO OTHER EXPLANATION. [09:42] <infinity> That would rock. [09:42] <wasabi> mdz, os x. It's just a small spinning graphic. [09:42] <mdz> wasabi: not the version I have [09:42] <wasabi> ? [09:42] <mdz> it's a grayscale logo in the center of the screen [09:42] <wasabi> me grabs iboko [09:43] <wasabi> oh. i dont even have os x. doh. [09:44] <highvoltage> wasabi: i took away my bootsplash by just appending vga=791 to my kernel line :) [09:44] <Mithrandir> infinity: we could play a sound as well [09:45] <infinity> Mithrandir : Now you're talking. [09:45] <infinity> Maybe some sort of distinctive chord, played through the internal speaker. [09:46] <Mithrandir> yeah [09:46] <infinity> It'll be revolutionary. [09:46] <Mithrandir> that'll sound _great_ on boomboxes like the x86-es. [09:47] <Mithrandir> getting to .ca is cheap, it appears. [09:47] <infinity> Not for me. :/ [09:47] <infinity> Getting anywhere from .au isn't cheap though. [09:47] <Mithrandir> that's because .au is on the wrong side of the planet. :-) [09:48] <robitaille> getting from one side of .ca to the other side is not that cheap... [09:49] <Mithrandir> getting from .no to .ca is ~4kNOK which is about 500EUR. [09:51] <robitaille> my sister just did it (.ca to .ca), and she paid the equivalent of 450EUR. [09:51] <robitaille> but I could get free hotel my parent place... [10:00] <Mithrandir> just tell them that you're at a developer gathering which takes up all the time? [10:04] <wasabi> grrr. [10:04] <wasabi> evms seg faulting. =( [11:08] <infinity> Who is doing all the liblaunchpadintegration stuff? [11:10] <Mithrandir> infinity: I think it's a mvo/jamesh/seb128 thing [11:11] <Mithrandir> at least, they were talking about it on -meeting 20 hours ago [11:15] <infinity> Right, well, it's broken. I'll poke someone. [11:15] <Treenaks> ooh! pokeage [11:30] <Treenaks> infinity: I have the new firefox, and it still does the black areas thing [12:15] <n> I've just tried the latest opensuse beta and I'm very impressed with its 'Suspend to disk' shutdown/boot feature which has halved my boot time. Will breezy implement this too? [12:24] <wasabi> oh noes. [12:24] <wasabi> i think evms may have clobbered my data. [12:25] <wasabi> this is not good. *panic* [12:40] <Nermal> any ideas if gaim 1.5.0 will be added to breezy before release ? [12:41] <Nermal> or is there a package freeze in effect yet ?> [01:09] <mez_> elmo, ping [02:00] <teprrr> so hmm, what's this stuff about libxcursor-dev doesn't include libXcursor.la file anymore? how should I be able to compile stuff now? [03:45] <d> I'm currently running Kubuntu Hoary w/ KDE 3.4.2. If I upgrade the kernel, will a 'Suspend to disk' option appear under the KDE shutdown menu? What kernel version do I need? [04:07] <infinity> teprrr : You don't need .la files to compile anything.. [04:11] <Alex> Evenin' [04:15] <ogra> infinity, could you have a look if my schoolbell/tool uploads ended up in the queue ? i seem to have wrongly assumed that jinty (schoolbell/tool maintainer) is whitelisted... [04:48] <_d4vid> re all [04:50] <_d4vid> play Sonny Black und Saad - fickdeinemutterslang [04:51] <tseng> please turn that off. [04:53] <infinity> ogra : Erm, which queue would that be? [04:54] <ogra> infinity, upload ? [04:54] <ogra> pitti, hey [04:54] <infinity> ogra : If it's not on -changes, I can't see it. (ie: anything in queue/new is out of my jurisdiction) [04:54] <pitti> Moin [04:54] <ogra> infinity, oh, ok [04:54] <ogra> infinity, thanks then [04:54] <infinity> Yo pitti. [04:55] <ogra> pitti, new schooltool/bell have no more debian dirs in orig.tar.gz :) [04:55] <pitti> infinity: saw your uploads, will do them now. THanks a lot [04:56] <infinity> pitti : NP. Just needed to find a spare moment to do them. Sorry for the delay. :/ [05:43] <pitti> (quit [05:43] <theantix> heh [06:31] <Mitario> hi everyone [06:31] <bur[n] er> hola [06:49] <infinity> seb128 : Want to look at totem's build failure and fix it?... Looks related to liblaunchpadintegration. [06:49] <seb128> yeah, I've that on my list? [06:49] <seb128> s/?/!/ [06:50] <seb128> infinity: have you planned to kick the libcairo stuff that stopped on pixman issue? [06:50] <seb128> should I give you a list ? [06:50] <infinity> seb128 : What is/was the issue? [06:50] <seb128> cairo used to depends on libpixman [06:50] <infinity> seb128 : And I can keep throwing stuff back over and over again, but it'd be nice if you told me it was going to work this time. :) [06:51] <seb128> and now they have a copy of it (for stability reason, they don't want to expose cairo to pixman changes) [06:51] <infinity> Ew. [06:51] <seb128> so libcairo.la dropped the reference to libpixman [06:51] <seb128> but a lot of other .la got the reference to it before [06:51] <infinity> (.la files are evil) [06:51] <seb128> since cairo doesn't grab libpixman [06:51] <seb128> the builds break on the .la [06:52] <infinity> But, uhm. Dude. Ew. We're supposed to try to rid the world of statically bundled libraries, not introduce more. [06:52] <seb128> with the eel2/nautilus/... list I give you that's fine now [06:52] <seb128> we just need to push a rebuild for everything that had this issue [06:52] <infinity> Well, I gave everything back after eel2/nautilus, so anything that's failed again is failed for all new issues... [06:53] <seb128> weird [06:53] <seb128> the daily build log pages has very few try for i386 [06:53] <infinity> I'll give it one more try. [06:53] <infinity> My list may also be incomplete. [06:53] <seb128> file-roller as an example [06:53] <seb128> no retry since the 18th [06:53] <seb128> and we fixed that yesterday, the 19th [06:53] <seb128> I've a list of such example if you want ... [06:53] <infinity> Yeahp, no file-roller in my list. I rule. [06:54] <infinity> If you have a complete list, by all means give it to me. :) [06:55] <seb128> not really, I've a list of main packagew where binary_version != source_version [06:57] <infinity> That list is about 500 source packages long. [06:57] <infinity> (300 and something on i386, I guess) [06:57] <seb128> clearlooks epiphany-browser evolution-exchange file-roller gconf-editor gnome-media gnome-netstatus gnome-panel gnome-pilot gnome-python gnome-python-extras gnome-system-tools gnopernicus gst-plugins0.8 nautilus-sendto [06:57] <infinity> And not much help. :) [06:57] <seb128> you can kick that [06:58] <infinity> Alright, I added that to list of stuff I punted a few minutes ago. [06:59] <infinity> We'll see what build after the next cron.daily. [06:59] <infinity> s/build/builds/ [06:59] <jay> I'm trying to use the netboot images and I've tried 8/17, 8/18, 8/19, and current, but they all seem to fail in the same way though Colony 3 didn't. Are any of these equivalent to Colony 3? [07:00] <infinity> seb128 : Oh, want to look at oregano, too? Looks like it's dying on cairo API breakage. [07:01] <seb128> infinity: vte rhythmbox control-center gthumb gaim metacity vim [07:01] <seb128> these still depends on cairo1 too, probably to kick [07:02] <infinity> seb128 : file-roller built. Looks good. [07:02] <seb128> rock [07:02] <seb128> infinity: I'll have a look on cairo, I've noticed it ... but totem first :) [07:03] <infinity> s/cairo/oregano/ [07:03] <infinity> I assume. [07:03] <seb128> correct [07:03] <seb128> totem builds fine here and on concordia [07:05] <eruin> /usr/X11R6/bin/fglrxconfig [07:05] <eruin> /usr/X11R6/bin/fglrxinfo [07:05] <eruin> should I file a bug against this? seems wrong to have bin files nowhere near the path [07:07] <infinity> seb128 : Using the same versions of all the build-deps (and clean chroots)? [07:08] <infinity> seb128 : Looks like a missing -llaunchpadintegration somewhere to me. [07:08] <seb128> infinity: no, I'm trying the chroot now. But the package a configure.ac change and a autoconf update ... [07:11] <mdz> jay: netboot images won't ever be equivalent to CD images, because they're incomplete [07:11] <mdz> jay: they will rely on the current state of the mirror at the time you install them [07:14] <jay> mdz: should a bug be reported on it or is it currently a WIP still? [07:14] <mdz> jay: it hasn't really seen any testing from our side; it depends on what the failure is [07:15] <mdz> if it's just uninstallable packages, that's normal [07:15] <jay> mdz: a message box comes up (when the partitioner is about to start) that says: ??? ???? <go back> <continue> and it just infinite loops [07:15] <seb128> ./configure: line 19903: PKG_PROG_PKG_CONFIG: command not found [07:15] <seb128> hum [07:16] <mdz> jay: that's deserving of a bug report, but be sure it isn't already reported [07:16] <mdz> seb128: aclocal && autoconf? [07:16] <jay> mdz: alright i'll check again to make sure. thanks [07:17] <seb128> mdz: no sure if that's normal, that happens on the totem build log but doesn't stop anything [07:18] <Mithrandir> seb128: uhm, it doesn't stop anything? It surely should? [07:18] <ogra> mdz, could you move gnuchess and libassetml1 to main, they are approved in the main inclusion queue and would avoid the constant gcompris spam in the buildlogs [07:20] <mdz> ogra: gcompris spam in buildlogs? [07:20] <seb128> ./configure: line 19903: PKG_PROG_PKG_CONFIG: command not found [07:20] <seb128> checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config [07:20] <seb128> ... [07:20] <seb128> Mithrandir: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/t/totem/1.1.4-0ubuntu2/totem_1.1.4-0ubuntu2_20050820-0952-i386-failed.gz [07:20] <ogra> mdz, yes... http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/ [07:21] <ogra> gcompris cat build without gnuchess... but gets retried every 30 min it seems [07:21] <wasabi> =( I think evms just friend my 500GBs of movies. [07:21] <wasabi> fried [07:21] <mdz> oh, in the gcompris build logs :-) [07:21] <ogra> cant even [07:21] <Mithrandir> seb128: uhm, there's something funky in how that configure was created. [07:21] <seb128> Mithrandir: why ? [07:21] <mdz> ogra: gnuchess is not in http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/anastacia.txt [07:21] <Mithrandir> seb128: because it's an unexpanded macro [07:22] <mdz> ogra: gcompris does not build-depend on it [07:22] <Mithrandir> seb128: from pkg.m4: [07:22] <Mithrandir> AC_DEFUN([PKG_CHECK_EXISTS] , [07:22] <Mithrandir> [AC_REQUIRE([PKG_PROG_PKG_CONFIG] )dnl [07:22] <Mithrandir> but for some reason, PKG_PROG_PKG_CONFIG wasn't expanded. [07:22] <mdz> ogra: unless you changed that just today [07:22] <mdz> jammcq: hey [07:22] <ogra> mdz, err, nope.. it depends on it, but doesnt build depend... [07:22] <seb128> Mithrandir: what is charged to expand it? [07:23] <Mithrandir> seb128: it's missing from aclocal.m4 [07:23] <mdz> ogra: what depends on it? [07:23] <ogra> gcompris [07:24] <ogra> afaik... [07:24] <Mithrandir> seb128: but gets added if I run aclocal-1.7 by hand [07:24] <mdz> mizar:[/etc/gdm] apt-cache show gcompris | grep gnuchess [07:24] <mdz> zsh: done noglob apt-cache show gcompris | [07:24] <mdz> ogra: it looks like someone uploaded a new version with a new build-dep on gnuchess [07:25] <mdz> since the last germinate [07:25] <ogra> mdz, thats very strange [07:25] <ogra> seb128, that was your upload i assume then [07:25] <mdz> does it have some evil automatic modification of control? [07:26] <ogra> hmm, it shouldnt... no control.in afaik... lest me pull the source [07:26] <mdz> the source is huge [07:26] <ogra> yup [07:27] <ogra> mdz, i'm getting used to huge sources with edubuntu ... see nvu :/ [07:27] <jammcq> mdz: ho [07:27] <seb128> ogra: what my upload, of what? [07:27] <seb128> ogra: the cairo upload are "no changes upload" [07:27] <ogra> seb128, gcompris rebuild for cairo.... [07:27] <seb128> that's just "apt-get source .. dch" [07:28] <ogra> strange [07:28] <ogra> i'll look at the source and fix whats necessary... [07:29] <\sh> this is not my day [07:29] <\sh> 4 hours in the morning, now 4 hours in the evening...I didn't get any sleep..but work for the company [07:30] <infinity> mdz : Once the last libgl1-xorg deps are dead in main (which should be true in a cron.daily or two), I assume I have a green light to fix {ed,k,}ubuntu-meta? (-desktop depends on libgl1-xorg) [07:30] <mdz> ogra: gcompris is scheduled for demotion to universe [07:30] <mdz> according to anastacia [07:30] <infinity> mdz : Uploads are signed and queued, just waiting untul the new X builds, which kills libgl1-xorg from the x-window-system-core metapackage (which -desktop also depends on) [07:30] <ogra> mdz, why ? [07:30] <ogra> mdz, it was approve already [07:30] <mdz> ogra: packages only go in main when they are seeded, or a dependency of a seeded package [07:31] <mdz> (do I need to add that to /topic?) [07:31] <mdz> infinity: wtf is that doing in a seed? [07:31] <infinity> mdz : Send it out in a "tips for new employees" brochure when people sign on. [07:31] <mdz> infinity: oh, indirectly through the metapackage [07:31] <ogra> mdz, ah... i commented it to have edubuntu-desktop installable again... until all other deps are approved too [07:31] <ogra> (which is done) [07:32] <mdz> ogra: don't do that [07:32] <ogra> mdz, Kamion told me so... sorry [07:32] <infinity> mdz : Actually, I have NO idea why it's ALSO depended on by the -desktop metapackages, since the metapackages depend on x-window-system-core, which in turn depends on GL. Hrm. I could/should just kill the dep completely, rather than switching it. [07:32] <mdz> infinity: the metapackages are generated straight from the seeds, so if there's a direct dep (and it wasn't hand hacked), someone seeded it [07:33] <\sh> hmmm... [07:33] <\sh> usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/libgfx_gtk.so: undefined symbol: pango_xft_get_font_map [07:33] <\sh> nice [07:33] <mdz> ./desktop: * libgl1-xorg # depended upon by libgl1-xorg-dri, but lsb dep on virtual libgl1 makes it ordering-dependent [07:33] <infinity> mdz : Looks like a longstanding thing. I see in the changelog where the xlibmesa-gl dep was switched to libgl1-xorg. Weird. [07:34] <mdz> infinity: so it's a workaround for lsb confusing germinate [07:34] <infinity> mdz : lsb depends on libgl1-mesa | libgl1 ... (well, it does now, used to be libgl1-xorg | libgl1) [07:34] <mdz> oh [07:34] <infinity> mdz : Either way, doesn't germinate prefer the first alternate, and go with that? [07:34] <mdz> then we can remove that [07:34] <mdz> infinity: yes, but lsb used to depend on "libgl1" [07:34] <infinity> Ahh. Well, fixed now. [07:35] <mdz> infinity: let's wait for the dust to settle before changing the seed, but I think we can remove that [07:35] <infinity> Kay, but I will need to change the metpackages by hand, then, or people will have conflicting packaging on their hands. [07:36] <infinity> (Which I was prepared to do anyway, I didn't realise they were automated via the seeds) [07:36] <infinity> In retrospect, I suppose that should have been obvious. [07:36] <mdz> ogra: ah, I see, the dep isn't new; it was just broken when gcompris was moved to main, and by removing it from the seed, you caused germinate to ignore its deps, so they never showed up for promotion to main [07:37] <ogra> mdz, ok... i'll re add it to the desktop seed.... [07:37] <mdz> infinity: apt-get source ubuntu-meta && cd ... && ./update && build [07:37] <mdz> ogra: _all_ of its deps have approved reports now? [07:37] <ogra> mdz, yup [07:37] <ogra> mdz, i'm only missin 3 server reports and have two packages that need work, then edubuntu is sorted [07:38] <infinity> mdz : Slick. But if you're saying I should keep the change out of the seeds for now, I assume I should just hand-hack desktop-* for now, then ./update in a later upload after the dust has indeed settled and the seeds have been shuffled? [07:38] <mdz> infinity: no, go ahead and change the seed, but change the package name rather than removing it entirely for now [07:39] <infinity> mdz : Ahh, check. Consider it done. [07:39] <mdz> infinity: you need to wait up to 10 minutes or so for the seeds to be refreshed at ~cjwatson before running update [07:39] <mdz> which is really a bug which should be fixed [07:39] <mdz> but pretty much everything which looks at the seed does that [07:39] <mdz> s/seed/seeds/ [07:39] <infinity> Fair nuff. I'm waiting on some builds anyway, so it's no big deal. [07:40] <\sh> infinity: make that firefox works again ;) [07:42] <ogra> ARGH [07:42] <ogra> arch_run_editor: please set $EDITOR [07:42] <ogra> i hate baz for not falling back to a default $EDITOR [07:42] <ogra> GRR [07:45] <mdz> ogra: don't forget to merge ubuntu->edubuntu seeds from time to time [07:45] <mdz> I have been doing it for you [07:45] <ogra> mdz, i just did that 5 mins ago before the commit... hopefully they dont clash now [07:46] <mdz> I just removed a package from supported [07:46] <mdz> every time we do that, we need to merge or it doesn't take effect [07:46] <ogra> yup, Kamion explained that to me... sorry for being so slow in understanding the anactacia stuff [07:46] <ogra> but i thin i got it now [07:47] <ogra> think even [07:48] <mdz> I have tried to add some documentation as we go [07:48] <mdz> hopefully the procedure on maininclusionqueue is clear now [07:48] <ogra> and i finally convinced edubuntu-server to be on the CD.... :) [07:48] <mdz> we should document the metapackage stuff somewhere [07:49] <mdz> Mithrandir: where is your unionfs casper branch again? [07:56] <Mithrandir> mdz: tollef.fog.heen@canonical.com/casper--unionfs--0 [07:56] <infinity> ogra : You may want to sync your seeds again, then. [07:56] <mdz> Mithrandir: thanks [07:59] <mdz> Mithrandir: I've made a breezy branch and merged that into mainline, thanks [07:59] <mdz> (that = your unionfs branch) [08:02] <ogra> infinity, thanks [08:04] <Mithrandir> mdz: I thought unionfs was breezy+1? [08:04] <Mithrandir> mdz: since it didn't make FF [08:04] <mdz> Mithrandir: right. I've created a breezy branch, and I've merged your changes onto mainline (not the breezy branch) [08:04] <Mithrandir> mdz: ah, then I understand. :-) [08:06] <infinity> mdz : Now that xorg's libraries have all been fully modularised, would it not be a good idea to stop explicitly seeding them all, and let germinate just do its job figuring out what we actually need? [08:06] <mdz> infinity: them all? are we doing that for something other than libgl? [08:06] <elmo> we shouldn't seed any libraries IMO [08:07] <infinity> mdz : I just noticed that supported pretty much has everything that used to be generated from xorg source explicitly seeded. [08:07] <mdz> elmo: we only do it where germinate does the wrong thing and it's hard to fix [08:07] <mdz> infinity: oh, you mean the -dev/-dbg packages [08:07] <infinity> Including some stuff we don't actually ship anymore. [08:08] <mdz> right, I've been clearing that stuff out as I notice it, but we need to do a thorough audit for stuff which is only in main due to a -dev package in supported [08:08] <elmo> archive not registered: ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com [08:08] <elmo> how the christing bananas did baz lose that? [08:09] <infinity> mdz : Yeah, a mess of dev stuff, it looks like. Isn't germinate supposed to DTRT with build-deps for dev packages? [08:09] <mjg59> mdz: Can we shift toshset to main in the near future? [08:10] <mdz> infinity: it does. however, we found that in the end we had a whole bunch of -dev packages ending up in extra because we were using one binary from the source and not others [08:10] <mdz> mjg59: wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionQueue [08:10] <mdz> er [08:10] <mdz> UbuntuMainInclusionQueue [08:13] <ogra> err, the packagenamed in the seeds are source packages, right ? has someone a suggestion why i am told that gartoon isnt available ... ? its definately there... [08:13] <ogra> packagenames indeed [08:15] <mjg59> elmo: Can you sync toshset from unstable? [08:16] <infinity> ogra : No, seeds are binary packages. [08:17] <ogra> eeek... ok [08:17] <ogra> i'm silly, ignore me... *sigh* [08:17] <infinity> (I expected them to be a mix of source/binary, like Packages-arch-specific when I first looked at them, and was disappointed to find out they weren't) [08:21] <ogra> indeed its logical to have the binary names in there, since you might not want all binarys from one source in main.... [08:22] <infinity> Right, but since you may also want the complete source, a P-a-s style %source notation would be nice. [08:22] <infinity> Oh well. [08:23] <tseng> that would avoid things like changing binary package names around and having things suddenly demoted to universe [08:23] <tseng> leaving stupid people like me fairly confused [08:24] <infinity> It would also cover the "we want all the -dbg/-dev package for libfoo installed" case, without naming them all. [08:24] <infinity> But it's a put up or shut up thing, I'm sure, and I haven't even looked at germinates code yet. [08:25] <infinity> s/germinates/germinate's/ [08:33] <leonel> so ... to upgrade from hoary new install to breezy just apt-get dist-upgrade ? [08:35] <mdz> leonel: #ubuntu, please [08:39] <mdz> Mithrandir: what's the difference between pkgconfig and pkg-config? [08:39] <infinity> elmo : Is jackass still running on only one CPU? [08:40] <infinity> mdz : Gratuitous renaming. The latter is the canonical name, I believe. [08:40] <infinity> At least, I think that's the direction I renamed the CVS module... [08:41] <mdz> ogra: schoolbell has an inclusion report but is not seeded [08:43] <ogra> mdz, its only a dependency from schooltool which is pending, since sadfl requested a new upstream version first... i told pitti to wait until thats in (got the new source today from jinty and uploaded) [08:44] <ogra> mdz, we only need libschoolbell... [08:45] <ogra> s/from/of [08:45] <mdz> ogra: I've promoted everything which was approved and in anastacia [08:45] <ogra> mdz, thanks a lot :) [08:45] <mdz> but there are several extraneous reports for packages which are not seeded [08:46] <ogra> from edubuntu ? [08:47] <mdz> yes, mostly [08:47] <mdz> scons ftgl blender kio-apt xaos gnuchess libassetm1 schoolbell [08:47] <ogra> they are in the package i just upload [08:47] <ogra> i uncommented evrything now... [08:48] <mdz> package? [08:48] <ogra> execpt nvu [08:48] <ogra> * Added gcompris to desktop-i386, desktop-amd64, desktop-powerpc [08:48] <ogra> * Added tuxpaint to desktop-i386, desktop-amd64, desktop-powerpc [08:48] <ogra> * Added blender to desktop-i386, desktop-amd64, desktop-powerpc [08:48] <ogra> * Added gnome-icon-theme-gartoon to desktop-i386, desktop-amd64, [08:48] <ogra> desktop-powerpc [08:48] <ogra> * Added tuxmath to desktop-i386, desktop-amd64, desktop-powerpc [08:48] <mdz> ogra: I don't understand. did you add those by hand? [08:48] <ogra> * Added xaos to desktop-i386, desktop-amd64, desktop-powerpc [08:48] <mdz> blender is in universe [08:49] <mdz> tuxpaint is in universe [08:49] <mdz> xaos is in universe [08:49] <mdz> the update script doesn't add packages which are not in main. how did you do this? [08:49] <ogra> they are in the seeds [08:50] <mdz> please tell me what you did [08:50] <ogra> i had uncommented them temporarily [08:50] <mdz> in edubuntu-meta [08:50] <ogra> i ran the update script after updating the seeds [08:50] <mdz> ARGH [08:50] <mdz> you added universe to the update script?? [08:50] <ogra> nope [08:50] <mdz> someone did [08:50] <ogra> i didnt touch the update script ecept uncommenting the unsupported arches as you told me [08:51] <ogra> ok, from the beginning: [08:51] <mdz> someone did, and it wasn't me or colin [08:52] <ogra> 1. i added everything to the seeds and ran the update script for the first time... this left edubuntu-desktop and -server uninstallable for weeks... [08:52] <ogra> 2. Kamion told me to comment the unneeded stuff for now... [08:52] <Mithrandir> mdz: pkgconfig is the old, deprecated source package name. [08:52] <ogra> 3. i uncommented what was approved [08:53] <mdz> ogra: the very first version of edubuntu-meta has universe in the update script [08:53] <mdz> this is wrong [08:53] <mdz> no wonder its packages were uninstallable for months [08:54] <ogra> hmm... i didnt touch it... i'm pretty sure... but its enabled here too... strange [08:54] <mdz> ogra: who made the package, if not you? [08:54] <ogra> i took ubuntu-meta.... [08:54] <mdz> ...which does not and has never had universe in the update script... [08:54] <ogra> hmm... [08:55] <ogra> i really cant remember touching the update script except when you told me .... [08:55] <ogra> i correcte it now [08:55] <ogra> corrected even [08:56] <mdz> ogra: please don't upload [08:56] <mdz> I will fix it [08:56] <mdz> did you already upload a 0.10? I don't see it in the queue or in the archive [08:56] <mdz> forget it; I'll upload 0.11 [08:57] <ogra> no, i just killed the upload and wiped the -0.10 dir [08:57] <mdz> 0.11 uploaded [08:58] <ogra> ok, thanks.... sorry for making so much fuss, but i still dont know how universe got in there... [08:58] <mdz> ogra: the update script is written so that it doesn't add packages to the dependencies unless they are in main [08:58] <mdz> ogra: for the express purpose of avoiding the package being uninstallable [08:58] <mdz> you disabled that check by adding universe [08:58] <ogra> yes, i understand that... [09:01] <infinity> Meh. I spend all day berating people for not testing before uploading, then catch myself doing it twice in a row. Perhaps I'll take myself out back and shoot myself. [09:04] <mdz> ogra: I imagine that you thought it should be there because some of the packages you wanted were in universe [09:04] <mdz> but the packages are designed to work within main, and all edubuntu packages should be in main [09:05] <mdz> we talked about that, but perhaps it was after you created the package [09:05] <ogra> mdz, might be, but i *absolutely* cant remember editing it... thats what bothers me... [09:06] <\sh> mjg59: u rock [09:06] <\sh> and I packaged gajim 0.8 right now...and it's the best gtk jabber client I know now [09:06] <\sh> just PSI for gtk [09:07] <\sh> with dbus capabilities [09:07] <\sh> and written in python [09:08] <mdz> mjg59: what are we going to do about swsusp vs. kernel mismatches for breezy? [09:10] <mdz> mjg59: ideally we ought to refuse to suspend if the new default kernel is different from the old default kernel; that won't catch all cases but I think they probably deserve what they get if they explicitly choose a different kernel [09:10] <mdz> mjg59: unfortunately I don't see a way to make it work nicely without parsing menu.lst [09:10] <Keybuk> ya know, once again I'm reminded of one thing about GNOME that *really* needs to be fixed [09:10] <Keybuk> apps that don't save their config/state when you logout while they're running [09:14] <mjg59> mdz: Yeah. Something needs to deal with grub. [09:46] <{Seb}> it seems flashplayer-mozilla has gone from multiverse [09:46] <{Seb}> in breezy [09:46] <{Seb}> sorry - ignore that [09:58] <mdz> mjg59: mailed you a gross hack [09:59] <Mez> elmo: can you whitelist muszilla@users.sourceforge.net if he's not whitelisted already [10:00] <mjg59> mdz: Heh. Right, I'll check it out later on
 and I packaged gajim 0.8 right now...and it's the best gtk jabber client I know now [10:00] <JanC> c66l8 [10:01] <mjg59> If people could test http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/tmp/irda-setup.sh I would love them forever [10:01] <mdz> mjg59: if you know how to look up symbols inside a vmlinuz, it could be made quite a lot more accurate by extracting system_utsname [10:01] <JanC> hm, that should have been "cool!" (keyboard fucked up again) [10:01] <mjg59> mdz: Not off the top of my head [10:02] <Mithrandir> mjg59: 22:02:06 ERROR 403: Forbidden. [10:02] <mdz> I suppose it'd be a matter of un-gzipping the right bit and correlating with System.map [10:02] <mdz> but I'm far too lazy [10:03] <\sh> guys...I'm surprised...gnome looks better then a week ago [10:05] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Uhm. Try again? [10:05] <mjg59> Oh. That's odd. [10:05] <Mithrandir> still 403 [10:05] <mjg59> It's a+w [10:05] <mjg59> Hrm. [10:05] <mjg59> Lose the .sh at the end [10:06] <mjg59> Something on the server doesn't like shell screipts [10:06] <mjg59> ogra: Looks like your machine ought to be using nsc-ircc [10:06] <Mithrandir> mjg59: got it [10:07] <Mithrandir> mjg59: how do you want me to test it? Apart from running it and seeing it complain about missing setserial, I mean. :-P [10:07] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Heh. Install setserial, run it, tell me what /var/run/irdadev looks like [10:08] <Mithrandir> mjg59: you'll break my suspend now, you know that? [10:08] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Oh, probably [10:08] <Mithrandir> Illegal UART type: undefined [10:08] <Mithrandir> irda-setup: line 63: true=false: command not found [10:08] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@thosu ~ > cat /var/run/irdadev [10:08] <Mithrandir> /dev/ttyS1 sir [10:09] <mjg59> Whoops [10:09] <mjg59> Excessive $ [10:09] <Mithrandir> you haven't tested this on your x40 at all? :-P [10:09] <mjg59> I have, but you have a later BIOS version [10:10] <mjg59> So it actually works for you [10:10] <mjg59> Mine has broken IR [10:10] <Mithrandir> ah, ok [10:10] <Mithrandir> mine has spoken with my phone on several occasions [10:11] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Can you grab it again and retry? [10:11] <Mithrandir> cat /var/run/irdadev [10:11] <Mithrandir> irda0 fir [10:11] <Mithrandir> no error messages [10:11] <mjg59> Ok, that looks better [10:11] <mjg59> Rock [10:11] <mjg59> Now I just need more PNP IDs [10:11] <mjg59> And to rewrite irda-utils [10:18] <\sh> mjg59: what u need? I have this nc6000 with the smsc-ircc2 chipset which is not working [10:20] <mjg59> \sh: If you run the code from http://www.csai.unipa.it/peri/toshsat1800-irdasetup/ does smsc-ircc2 work? [10:21] <\sh> mjg59: I tried...never successfull [10:22] <\sh> but I will give it a try again... [10:22] <\sh> I think I should take the time to test irda on the portege [10:23] <mjg59> \sh: You've seen http://people.debian.org/~pxt/nc6000/ ? [10:24] <desrt> what do y'all think: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CACertInclusion [10:25] <\sh> mjg59: not until now :) [10:25] <\sh> mjg59: I will give it a try tomorrow morning :) [10:25] <\sh> right now I need to test gajim [10:25] <mjg59> desrt: It would currently involve changing the name of Firefox to something else [10:26] <desrt> mjg59; isn't that why we already call it "firefox" instead of "mozilla firefox" and use a different icon? [10:26] <mjg59> desrt: No [10:26] <mjg59> It's called "firefox" rather than "mozilla firefox" to indicate that it's not the official build. Changing the default SSL certificates would require changing it away from firefox [10:26] <desrt> that's extremely harsh [10:27] <mjg59> Yeah [10:28] <Mithrandir> cacert is pushing for their root cert to be included upstream, though [10:29] <desrt> ya [10:29] <desrt> someone just gave me a link to a ranting blog entry [10:29] <desrt> i'm not sure what to make of it, but it sounds like mozilla are being dickslaps about it [10:30] <desrt> http://blog.cacert.org/2005/07/81.html [10:30] <tseng> eh, not everyone trusts cacert [10:31] <Mithrandir> tseng: their CA policy is just fine, IMO, but they're on crack wrt some of the GPG stuff [10:32] <mjg59> Mozilla won't accept the CA root certificate until they're satisfied that they hand it out sensibly [10:33] <tseng> their blog is funny [10:33] <desrt> and up to here, sensibly ~= "with a large fee for services rendered" [10:34] <tseng> capitalism == bad, and wep can be cracked in "minutes"
 eh, not everyone trusts cacert [10:35] <JanC> I don't trust verisign... [10:35] <desrt> ya [10:35] <JanC> if _I_ can get a cert for a (not yet) existing company, everybody can... [10:36] <desrt> SSL is only vaguely trustworthy as an authentication method [10:36] <tseng> eh, i dont "trust" anyone that isnt a well established business for some time *AND* has a valid cert [10:36] <tseng> but thats probabyl a different issue [10:36] <desrt> "valid" according to what? [10:36] <desrt> some other business says "oh ya.. you can trust these guys" [10:37] <tseng> yes [10:37] <desrt> ... [10:37] <\sh> hmmm.... [10:37] <\sh> /usr/include/python2.4/pyconfig.h:835:1: warning: "_POSIX_C_SOURCE" redefined [10:37] <\sh> how can I get rid of this error? [10:37] <azeem> it's a warning [10:38] <\sh> yeah...is there a way of getting rid of it? [10:38] <tseng> desrt: the cert validating amazon.com doesnt protect me 100% from someone squatting on it from the begining [10:38] <tseng> desrt: but it does offer you something for MiM or similar [10:43] <Mithrandir> tseng: do you think it's by accident that all the canonical certs are self-signed even though sabdfl did Thawte? [10:43] <sabdfl> Mithrandir: erm. it is, actually. i think we're starting to get a few from komodo now :-) [10:43] <\sh> LOL [10:44] <tseng> :) [10:44] <tseng> comodo I think [10:44] <sabdfl> we tried to get some from thawte but they proved too difficult to deal with [10:44] <Mithrandir> sabdfl: we are? Amazing :-) Might get rid of some of those multiple ssl vhosts on the same ip as well in the process? [10:44] <\sh> sabdfl: u r surprising me every single time u r appearing from nowhere ,-) [10:45] <sabdfl> currently appearing from my kitchen [10:45] <desrt> just get certs from cacert [10:45] <Mithrandir> \sh: I think his IRC client went "bling" when I said his name. [10:45] <sabdfl> \sh: ^ [10:45] <sabdfl> tho i was just in another window, hacking on my w/e gift to the launchpad team [10:45] <mdz> sabdfl: fingers bleeding yet? [10:46] <sabdfl> mdz: somewha [10:46] <sabdfl> t [10:46] <\sh> Mithrandir: hmmm....or sabdfl wrote an irssi plugin for sending out sms to his mobile when his name is hilighted [10:46] <sabdfl> silbs doesn't believe i can add an LP subsystem in a weekend [10:46] <Mithrandir> \sh: he doesn't use irssi, TTBOMK [10:46] <\sh> no irssi? come on...,-) [10:46] <mdz> sabdfl: "can" or "should"? ;-) [10:47] <\sh> hmmm....rhythmbox and rbscrobbler are not running anymore together [10:48] <\sh> ah now...it lost the password somehow [10:49] <desrt> \sh; oh. they were deprecated [11:09] <\sh> ogra__: how many gnome/gtk uploads I should do per release cycle? [11:10] <ogra__> \sh, as many as you like indeed :) [11:10] <ogra__> mjg59, thanks for the info.. i'll check if i can use nsc-ircc [11:10] <\sh> ogra__: check this out: throw away gaim ,-) use gajim ;) http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/81-Gajim-The-PSI-on-Gnome.html [11:11] <mjg59> ogra__: Could you try running http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/tmp/irda-setup and tell me what /var/run/irdadev looks like afterwards? [11:12] <ogra__> mjg59, yup... downloading that was the last thing i tried before my wlan broke :) tryin again now... [11:12] <mjg59> ogra__: The name's a bit misleading - this will only set up IRDA, not actually start it [11:12] <mjg59> I need to modify irda-utils to handle that [11:17] <ogra__> mjg59, setserial isnt installed by default it seems [11:17] <mjg59> ogra__: Indeed [11:18] <ogra__> [84615.106088] nsc_ircc: Unknown parameter `0' [11:18] <ogra__> (dmesg output) [11:19] <mjg59> ogra__: Gah. [11:19] <mjg59> ogra__: Edit it and change "OPTIONS=0" to OPTIONS="" [11:20] <ogra__> [84650.513255] nsc-ircc, Found chip at base=0x02e [11:20] <ogra__> [84650.513268] nsc-ircc, driver loaded (Dag Brattli) [11:20] <ogra__> [84650.515628] IrDA: Registered device irda0 [11:20] <ogra__> [84650.515654] nsc-ircc, Found dongle: HP HSDL-1100/HSDL-2100 [11:20] <ogra__> looks good [11:20] <mjg59> ogra__: Rock [11:20] <mjg59> ogra__: What does /var/run/irdadev have? [11:20] <mjg59> And what hardware is this? [11:20] <ogra__> irda0 fir [11:21] <ogra__> still my amd64 laptop (acer Aspire 1520) [11:21] <mjg59> Cool [11:21] <mjg59> That all looks good [11:21] <torkel> same for me, with a Thinkpad T40 [11:22] <torkel> [4582947.644000] nsc-ircc, Using dongle: IBM31T1100 or Temic TFDS6000/TFDS6500 [11:23] <seth_k> Treenaks, planet RSS still dead, don't think you changed the right bits :( [11:24] <mjg59> torkel: Rocking [11:24] <mjg59> Basically, what this does is look through your PNP data and try to find an IR device [11:24] <torkel> mjg59: nice [11:24] <mjg59> If it finds a fast IR device, it works out which serial port it's attached to and turns off the UART [11:24] <mjg59> Then it loads the driver [11:25] <mjg59> If the driver loading fails, or if it can't work out which driver to use, it sets the serial port up to match the PNP data [11:25] <mjg59> Then it records this information in a format that can be parsed by irda-utils when it starts up [11:26] <mjg59> Basically, all SIR ports (and most FIR ones) have a PNP of PNP0510 or PNP0511 associated with them [11:26] <mjg59> So this is actually fairly easy [11:26] <mjg59> No idea why nobody's written it before [11:26] <ogra__> heh... [11:26] <mjg59> Most FIR ones have a model specific thing that lets you work out the chip, too [11:38] <sabdfl> mdz: you may have a point [11:40] <mjg59> Damni. No, acpipnp is missing entries on some machines. [11:52] <Nafallo> LOL [11:53] <mdz> elmo: hpoj seems to need some help getting back into universe [11:53] <bob_too> you got is working? [11:53] <bob_too> wrong channel sorry [11:53] <ogra> yay, ltsp-client is installable again... finaly

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.769741

2005-08-25-#launchpad

[12:28] <sabdfl> dudes [12:45] <kiko> sabdfl! [12:46] <sabdfl> hey kiko [12:46] <sabdfl> just starting work on your present [12:46] <kiko> fixing some issues linkchecker popped up [12:47] <kiko> interesting issue though [12:47] <kiko> http://localhost:8086/distros/ubuntu/hoary/+sources/evolution/+pots/evolution-2.2/st/+translate [12:47] <kiko> sabdfl, the targets of each Facet link are really non-obvious [12:47] <sabdfl> yes [12:47] <kiko> I fixed the obvious errors, but the result is very confusing [12:47] <sabdfl> remember i was saying that the inheritance idea wasn't as smooth as i'd hoped, in brazil [12:47] <kiko> yes [12:48] <sabdfl> the fact that you can switch context is jarring [12:48] <kiko> the way it should be (IMO) [12:48] <sabdfl> ? [12:48] <kiko> is that we should be under one context [12:48] <kiko> and then have subcontexts [12:48] <sabdfl> except.... [12:49] <kiko> that would hopefully cover the depth of rosetta and malone [12:49] <sabdfl> it's almost as though, when you mouseover the "Bugs" link, the breadcrumb related to the relevant context should be highlighted [12:49] <sabdfl> SOME sort of visual cue as to *what* +bugs you'll be looking at [12:49] <kiko> hmmm [12:49] <sabdfl> i know that's crack [12:49] <kiko> well [12:49] <kiko> the visual cue I'm thinking of would be clear [12:49] <kiko> Product: Mozilla Firefox [12:49] <sabdfl> but that's what i found myself looking for - some idea, when i click on the facet, where I'll be [12:49] <sabdfl> we could work that into the page title [12:49] <kiko> and then all the facets would apply to that product [12:50] <sabdfl> but... [12:50] <kiko> I am unhappy that it doesn't cover series though [12:50] <sabdfl> it's not even [12:50] <kiko> yes [12:50] <sabdfl> bugs would drop you to product, if you were on translations, which are at a series level [12:50] <kiko> because we have translations (and at some point bugs) for that series [12:50] <kiko> but calendars would always be for products, I imagine [12:50] <sabdfl> when we have bug-target-to-series that will be less of an issue [12:50] <kiko> right [12:51] <kiko> but calendar is still a problem :) [12:51] <sabdfl> but the system will never be n-way symmetrical [12:51] <sabdfl> ed zacchary [12:51] <kiko> suicide run [12:51] <kiko> how to solve, how to solve [12:51] <kiko> well, be happy you're not the only one worried about that [12:51] <kiko> :) [12:52] <kiko> sabdfl, the immediate fix is quite horrific but works [12:52] <kiko> can I send you a patch? [12:52] <sabdfl> ah [12:52] <sabdfl> hmm. [12:53] <kiko> well, for some value of works [12:53] <kiko> it stops us 404ing [12:53] <sabdfl> no, land it if you think it's the right thing to do [12:53] <kiko> and takes us to pages [12:53] <sabdfl> with a review ;-) [12:53] <kiko> perhaps not the right pages though [12:53] <sabdfl> it sounds non-trivial [12:53] <kiko> I was wanting your review, sneaky man [12:53] <kiko> it's only like 30 lines [12:53] <sabdfl> i am working on your gift [12:53] <sabdfl> ok, privmsg [12:53] <cprov> kiko: I've been working on some facets for soyuz, removing unreacheable links, in fact, creating specific facets classes for items in my domain, looks like we do have a symmetrical problem to solve or workarround. [12:54] <kiko> cprov, makes me cry [12:54] <sabdfl> i want to create a bounty facet too [12:54] <sabdfl> i polished up the bounty system, it's ready to roll now [12:54] <sabdfl> just as a registry [12:55] <cprov> kiko: in which sense ? I doubt you changed the same pieces I did. [12:56] <kiko> cprov, well, the problem is rather difficult to solve. I think it requires some infrastructure [12:56] <kiko> you shouldn't need to write complex code in the facets [12:57] <kiko> the default handler should search through the parents and decide what/if to link to [12:57] <kiko> cprov, can you get me dsilvers' pastebin url? [12:59] <kiko> sabdfl, https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileA7FOdg.html [12:59] <kiko> sabdfl, and I don't even have a hole in the ground <wink> [01:02] <sabdfl> kiko: do we have a calendar for a *sourcepackage*? [01:02] <sabdfl> bugs looks fine [01:02] <sabdfl> just calendar for a sp has me surprised [01:02] <sabdfl> otherwise, looks perfectly reasonable [01:07] <cprov> kiko: do we encourage complex code like that in facets ? I mean, nothing terrible wrong, but aren't we missing something in the facets infrastructure to reach our aims ? [01:07] <Keybuk> ah, it helps to run "upgrade.py" before "security.py" [01:07] <Keybuk> this explains a lot [01:09] <sabdfl> Keybuk: :-) [01:09] <sabdfl> the explosive kind? with the heads on them? [01:10] <Keybuk> no, no, just ordinary plain ones from a few years back [01:10] <Keybuk> try getting into a country if those fall out at passport control ;) [01:10] <cprov> ehe, time to go. see you. [01:14] <kiko> sabdfl, we don't have a calendar for a sourcepackage; then you do IProductOwner that raises a TypeError, which I catch [01:15] <kiko> so we're safe there [01:16] <kiko> hmmm [01:16] <kiko> sabdfl, should the calendar be the calendar for the distro or distro release? [01:17] <sabdfl> i don't know, honestly. none of them make sense as a switch from a pofile [01:17] <sabdfl> perhaps these facests should just be disabled [01:17] <kiko> I rather agree to be honest [01:17] <cprov> somebody knows what this error means: testAnwersOnce (CVS.tests.test_CVS.PServerHelperTest) ... ERROR (came from PQM failure) [01:18] <sabdfl> i often find myself wanting to jump from the product world into the distro world, and not sure what the most efficient route is [01:18] <kiko> cprov, an error in cscvs [01:18] <sabdfl> cprov: hmm... try again [01:18] <kiko> cprov, should be an odd timing issue -- just retry [01:18] <sabdfl> sometimes cscvs does weird things with timing of process entries and exits [01:18] <kiko> sabdfl, the most efficient route today is to go to the product overview page and through a portlet :-/ [01:18] <cprov> sabdfl: ok, I'll, thanks [01:19] <sabdfl> kiko: not if you want to jump to distro with no Packaging data between that product and that distro [01:19] <kiko> sabdfl, if you're happy with the patch, I'll land it. if you want me to disable facets, I can do that too. [01:19] <sabdfl> i want to jump to /distros/ generally [01:19] <kiko> sabdfl, ah [01:19] <kiko> that's an interesting problem [01:19] <kiko> I hadn't understood entirely [01:19] <sabdfl> i *almost* think we want links to /distros/ and /people/ and /products/ and /projects/ somewhere on every page [01:20] <kiko> well [01:20] <sabdfl> remember the "pillars of launchpad" [01:20] <kiko> I would argue that the frontpage is the way to go [01:20] <sabdfl> sure [01:20] <sabdfl> seen the new one? [01:20] <kiko> sabdfl, how do I make it show up [01:20] <sabdfl> its a bit busy but will come into focus with some tweaking [01:20] <sabdfl> /real-index.html [01:21] <sabdfl> or staging.ubuntu.com [01:21] <kiko> wow! [01:21] <sabdfl> [trivial] [01:21] <kiko> portlets are crack though [01:21] <kiko> you know that by now :) [01:21] <sabdfl> not really... just need a tinge of colour to make them less important than the central page content [01:22] <Keybuk> sweet [01:22] <sabdfl> same for the "most active projects" listing, needs to be slightly "lower" than the core bit [01:22] <sabdfl> the idea is to focus people on the registry, but tease them with translations, bugs, bounties etc [01:22] <kiko> what about ubuntu? [01:23] <kiko> or the distro world [01:23] <Keybuk> if you look at ubuntu you see the "most active package" and "most active maintainer" and stuff? [01:24] <sabdfl> Keybuk: could do, nice idea! [01:25] <sabdfl> oops [01:25] <sabdfl> i do believe the portlet on the home page is showing the LEAST active contributors [01:26] <sabdfl> lazy fucks [01:26] <sabdfl> hmm.... [01:26] <sabdfl> no, maybe the karma update scripts just haven't run on production yet, so we don't have karma data for anybody [01:26] <sabdfl> the new karma cacheing ones [01:27] <sabdfl> mpt: i'm going ahead with your page [01:27] <sabdfl> it's a very good start, thank you [01:27] <sabdfl> i understand your reservations, but i think we will deal with them one by one [01:27] <sabdfl> calendars should not be using tabs, for a start [01:44] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Update production email and staging configs for launchpad.net domain (patch-2281: stuart.bishop@canonical.com) [02:15] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [r=salgado] Temporary directory for GNUPGHOME and atexit register to remove it on normal termination, removing unused properties, polish on docstring. (patch-2282: celso.providelo@canonical.com) [02:47] <ddaa> Yay! [02:48] <ddaa> I finally put the CVS parser stuff to the point where I can actually start working on fixing the python import problem... [03:55] <kiko-zzz> congrats ddaa [04:53] <Keybuk> stupid question time [04:53] <Keybuk> I need to update two tables affected by each other's constraints [04:53] <Keybuk> is there a way to do that? [04:54] <elmo> remove the constraints temporarily? [04:54] <Keybuk> I thought it'd work like that within a transaction (ie only check the constraints at commit) but it doesnt seem to [04:58] <Keybuk> ah, SET CONSTRAINTS ALL DEFERRED after the begin [05:00] <Keybuk> though that doesn't seem to work [08:12] <Madeye> Hi [08:12] <Madeye> guys I'm getting this error message while trying to login to launchpad. [08:12] <Madeye> The email address 'Jad@php.net', which you're trying to use to login has not yet been validated to use in Launchpad. We sent an email to that address with instructions on how to confirm that it belongs to you. As soon as we have that confirmation you'll be able to log into Launchpad. [08:13] <Madeye> if there is any admin right now, would they please re-send the confirmation key? and by the way, I have already confiremed, and I have already participated in some translation, so it's abvious its system problem [08:50] <BjornT> Madeye: didn't you get a new validation email when you tried to login? [08:50] <Madeye> BjornT, no [09:05] <BjornT> Madeye: strange, you should have gotten an email. i'm not sure what's wrong [09:06] <BjornT> Madeye: the one to talk to is salgado, but he's in Brazil, so he won't be around for a while (if he'll be around at all this weekend) [09:07] <Madeye> he's the only guy who can help ? [09:08] <Madeye> what a dectatorship in an open source movement :-) [09:12] <BjornT> Madeye: i'm sure that other people can help as well (but salgado knows the most about these things), so you could try ask again when some more people are around. i'll try to take another look to see if i can find what's wrong. [09:18] <Madeye> thank you [09:24] <BjornT> Madeye: you could try go to https://launchpad.net/+forgottenpassword and type your email address there. then you should get an email with a link, where you can reset your password. after you've done that your address should be validated [09:32] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] fix bug 1810. (patch-2283: bjorn.tillenius@canonical.com) [01:45] <Jad> BjornT, i've tried, but i havn't got the reset email yet [02:42] <sabdfl> ddaa: rock on. then my weekend present is for kiko AND you

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.779585

2005-08-25-#kubuntu

[12:08] <mike22> /server irc.freenode.net /join #openoffice.org [01:08] <Bags> Hi all [01:08] <Bags> I've removed the original CDROM drive and installed another, but now I have no CDROM functionality. [01:09] <Bags> WOuld anyone be so kind as to tell me what I need to do to remove the original device installation and force KDE to discover the new device? [01:10] <Bags> Pretty quiet in here... [01:10] <Tm_T> ssshh [01:14] <apokryphos> nikkia: heyhey :) [01:14] <nikkia> hey apokryphos [01:15] <nikkia> i got assigned my 'next' project today :/ [01:15] <apokryphos> turns out I'm probably getting my comp in wo weeks, not tomorrow (or, rather, today) [01:15] <nikkia> (haven't even finished my current one, mind you) [01:15] <apokryphos> oh, fun :|. What is it? [01:15] <apokryphos> Your boss must be a little crazy ;-) [01:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: writing a graphics API for a strategic partner [01:16] <nmorse> Anyone else getting BADSIG errors from GPG when doing an 'apt-get update'? [01:16] <nikkia> boss: 'how long you reckon? 2 weeks?' me: 'yeah, that sounds about right' boss: 'ok, i'll tell em 6 then' [01:16] <apokryphos> hahaha [01:17] <nikkia> when i say 'graphics API' its about 10 functions that interface to Direct3D, that they want [01:19] <nmorse> So I take it I'm the only one getting these errors? [01:21] <nmorse> It's the same key signature for each of the four repositories. [01:21] <nmorse> security.ubuntu.org, archive.ubuntu.org, and us.archive.ubuntu.org (both hoary and hoary-updates) [01:29] <ilba7r> what is the command line to logout from x session [01:37] <Pupeno> Hello. [01:38] <Pupeno> How do I make a printer connected to my wife's kubuntu accessible from my computer ? [01:40] <mike22> Pupeno:is it on a network? [01:41] <Pupeno> mike22: yes, we are both on the same network. [01:44] <mike22> Pupeno: try http://localhost:673 [01:45] <Pupeno> mike22: that doesn't work out of the box because kubuntu's cups only binds 127.0.0.1. [01:46] <Pupeno> I am not siting on the kubuntu box either (now). [01:47] <mike22> you can manage the printer on a network using cups [01:47] <mike22> you get to it through the web browser at http://localhost:631 [01:49] <Pupeno> ok, nevermind. [01:55] <mike23> greetrings [01:55] <mike23> greetings [02:00] <mike23> I see [02:00] <mike23> what is the password for admin tasks under cups iin kubuntu? [02:01] <mike23> I'm used to linux that has natural root privlidges [02:01] <mike23> root, user name and sudo don't let me in [02:01] <crimsun> use sudo -s && passwd [02:02] <crimsun> rather, do sudo -s, then passwd [02:03] <mike22> nope [02:03] <mike22> I'm trying to get into cups [02:11] <brk3> could someone tell me what argument do you give to dpkg to upgrade a package? [02:12] <apokryphos> brk3: you'd do that using apt [02:13] <brk3> apokryphos: i already have downloaded the package from a non-apt get source [02:13] <brk3> so i have it in my home directory [02:13] <apokryphos> brk3: and you want to upgrade *that* package? [02:13] <apokryphos> where would it upgrade from, exactly, if not apt? [02:14] <brk3> apokryphos: its amaork, i downloaded a 1.3 build from the forums [02:14] <brk3> and want to upgrade [02:14] <apokryphos> brk3: install it like a normal .deb -- it'll do it just fine [02:15] <brk3> apokryphos: hope so [02:15] <brk3> here goes.. [02:15] <apokryphos> if you followed the instructions on the forum, then you'd notice they tell you to do that anyhow :) [02:19] <brk3> dpkg: error processing amarok-1.3_1.3-1_i386.deb (--install): [02:19] <brk3> trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/amarok', which is also in package amarok [02:19] <crimsun> uhh [02:20] <crimsun> you guys just couldn't wait, huh? [02:20] <apokryphos> Never used the deb, but of course I couldn't wait around [02:20] <crimsun> I'm about 99% done building a 1.3 deb [02:21] <apokryphos> crimsun: any idea if the musicbrainz issues will be resolved in it? [02:21] <crimsun> there are some .install issues to iron out, but I guess foaming at the mouth works, too ;) [02:21] <apokryphos> please, please tell me they will ;-) [02:21] <crimsun> apokryphos: no idea, I won't be able to test til I get home [02:21] <apokryphos> haven't had musicbrainz since... 1.2 beta or something [02:22] <brk3> crimsun: couldnt wait :) [02:22] <crimsun> well, the hoary musicbrainz don't have mp3 support - is that what you're referring to? [02:22] <crimsun> doesn't^ [02:22] <brk3> crimsun: hope youir build works better than this one [02:22] <apokryphos> crimsun: erm, why? [02:22] <crimsun> apokryphos: same reason for gstreamer0.8-mad in universe [02:22] <apokryphos> installing from their cvs was hardly a doddle, either; never got round to actually doing it. [02:23] <apokryphos> libtunepimp isn't in universe? [02:23] <brk3> why are ubuntu updateing their packages only with every release - alot happens in 6 months. are they the only distro doing that? [02:23] <_martin> Hi, question: How can i run an application under a different user at startup when all apllications are started under the root account normally [02:23] <apokryphos> brk3: they're not; you can enable backports and hoary-extras for other packages [02:24] <brk3> apokryphos: well why dont they have updates of amarok available yet [02:24] <apokryphos> crimsun: hm, apparently not. If it's in main for amarok... kind of a shame that it doesn't support the files that people will only really use it with :| [02:25] <crimsun> brk3: updates are only made for security issues and major updates that aren't known to break functionality [02:25] <apokryphos> brk3: because breezy release has been soon, and it hasn't been out for long at all [02:25] <brk3> _martin: edit the shotcut to run: su user && application [02:25] <brk3> _martin: might work [02:25] <apokryphos> crimsun: someone should definitely make a universe or hoary-extras tunepimp pack [02:26] <crimsun> apokryphos: I'm sure you could request one for hoary-extras [02:26] <brk3> apokryphos: but i bet other distros have rpms made already, lemme check mandrake(which i used to use) [02:26] <brk3> i do admit ubuntu probably have a better system of not updateing till they are sure its stable [02:26] <brk3> but still] [02:26] <apokryphos> brk3: of course, you can't take one package as representative of their whole updating/backporting [02:27] <brk3> apokryphos: what apt-source should i add for the updates then? [02:27] <apokryphos> brk3: Kubuntu basically had all the betas out on the day or the day after for the *beta* releases (and the official) of 1.2 [02:27] <crimsun> brk3: no, it's completely unfair to look at it that way. I've been making the amarok backport, and I've been EXTREMELY busy lately with my paying job. [02:27] <_martin> brk3: But then a password is normally asked, right? [02:28] <crimsun> brk3: you're more than welcome to help with the backport [02:28] <brk3> _martin: not if your root. or are you not.. [02:28] <brk3> crimsun: its not your fault, your just doing it yourself. i thought your build is unofficial [02:28] <_martin> brk3: ah ok, great, i'll try that thanks............... [02:28] <brk3> crimsun: i would help if i had the bandwidth. im only on dialup [02:28] <crimsun> brk3: it is unofficial [02:28] <_martin> brk3: What does that "&&" mean? [02:29] <crimsun> brk3: and 1.3 is too late; upstream version freeze for Breezy/main was quite some time ago [02:29] <BTJustice> I followed the direction on the first post of this webpage to get my SB Live! 24 sound card to work... [02:29] <brk3> _martin: thats how you execute lots of commands at the same tinme: i.e when your compiling you can go: ./configure && make && make install [02:29] <BTJustice> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307&highlight=live+24 [02:29] <apokryphos> crimsun: wow, so not in Breezy at all? :/ [02:29] <BTJustice> But hte sound is real scratchy and jumpy. [02:29] <BTJustice> Is there a way to fix that? [02:29] <_martin> brk3: i found "-c" for running a certain command from su [02:30] <apokryphos> long freezes [02:30] <crimsun> BTJustice: are you using ALSA directly or via ARTS? [02:30] <BTJustice> crisum: I have no idea. I am a n00b, lol. [02:31] <BTJustice> *crimsun [02:31] <brk3> crimsun: no its just you said its unfair that im asking you to have it built straight away etc when you've been busy, but im not asking you im talking about the official packages [02:31] <brk3> it doesnt really matter [02:31] <brk3> not looking to argue :p [02:32] <crimsun> brk3: I know. It was UVF that caught it. [02:32] <brk3> UVF? [02:32] <crimsun> see what I said above regarding upstream version freeze [02:33] <crimsun> you might want to petition Riddell if you feel Amarok 1.3 _must_ be in Breezy, because he'll have to ask the release managers for breaking UVF. [02:33] <brk3> crimsun: so your saying 1.3 wont be breezy?? [02:34] <crimsun> in other words, 1.3 needs to fix some long-standing, critical bugs if you want it in Breezy [02:34] <brk3> na, no point in hassling people [02:34] <brk3> that does suck though [02:34] <BTJustice> crimsun: I just did what the post said to. It works. It is just the my sound is really scratchy and jumpy. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307&highlight=live+24 [02:34] <crimsun> no, you should definitely petition him, brk3 [02:34] <brk3> crimsun: why? [02:35] <crimsun> brk3: the worst thing that happens is that 1.3 doesn't end up in Breezy. In that case, it'll simply be made available on my shell. [02:35] <brk3> is there a place to put in requests or will i just msg him [02:35] <crimsun> ask him. He's away, so just leave him a message. [02:36] <brk3> /msg is it? [02:36] <crimsun> sure [02:36] <brk3> ok [02:38] <apokryphos> thing about amaroK is that many gnome users use it too [02:38] <brk3> hope he gets that [02:38] <crimsun> I will hack on it tonight; in the meantime, I'm going to dinner. [02:38] <pax> are we compaining for amaroK 1.3? [02:38] <apokryphos> I guess it wouldn't bother them as much as they'd have to apt for it anyway [02:38] <brk3> did that msg show up i the chan? [02:38] <brk3> pax: yup [02:38] <apokryphos> brk3: no [02:38] <apokryphos> anything /msg is private 8) [02:39] <brk3> heres what i said: [02:39] <brk3> hi. just leaving a message to put in a request for amarok 1.3 to be included in breezy. Ive been told that the version freeze has already happened but I think it would be a pity to leave it out, there have been some cool updates. hope you can consider it, im sure its just as stable as 1.2. I would be happy to test it if needs be once I get my hands on a package. Thanks [02:39] <brk3> that be alright? [02:39] <apokryphos> sounds fine, sure. [02:40] <pax> no, just send the guy a beer with a note saying (amaroK 1.3 NOW). you get what you want [02:40] <apokryphos> if crimsun has it done properly then it wouldn't even be *that* much of a hassle for Riddell anyhow, I'd guess [02:40] <brk3> i really cant wait. if i just had broadband id download the source and compile it myself, no hassle [02:40] <apokryphos> brk3: it's not that big, is it? [02:41] <brk3> apokryphos: ah i dunno, i guess not. i just love amarok [02:41] <apokryphos> though non-broadband is annoying [02:41] <apokryphos> nearly 7 megs [02:41] <apokryphos> would easily be done over night, of course. [02:41] <brk3> apokryphos: oh you mean the tarball. no its just the kde includes required are 25megs [02:41] <apokryphos> ahh [02:42] <apokryphos> you'd probably need X includes too etc [02:42] <brk3> wish someone made a kubuntu addon cd [02:42] <brk3> ya [02:42] <brk3> think i have them though [02:43] <apokryphos> brk3: the .deb really should work though; what's the full error message? [02:44] <brk3> apokryphos: the guy who compiled it must have a newer version of libgcc: [02:44] <brk3> libtag1 depends on libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-7); however: [02:44] <brk3> Version of libgcc1 on system is 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7. [02:44] <apokryphos> make sure you install taglib either at the same time or first [02:44] <brk3> taglib wont install [02:44] <apokryphos> ah [02:44] <brk3> any way round it? [02:45] <brk3> i may be able to compile taglib myself [02:45] <BTJustice> I went to this webpage and followed the directions in the first post to get my SB Live! 7.1 24 to work, but the sound is real choppy and scratchy. Do I need to change a setting or something? I use Kubuntu. The webpage is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307 [02:45] <apokryphos> I'd probably try a --force-install myself [02:47] <brk3> apokryphos: sudo dpkg -i --force-install *.deb [02:47] <brk3> whats wrong there its not working [02:47] <apokryphos> I think that's it, yes; might be force-overwrite... not sure; check the man page [02:47] <apokryphos> I'm not saying it would necessarily work; just that it's an option [02:48] <brk3> ya il try it [02:49] <brk3> cant find the damn right argument to give dpkg [02:49] <apokryphos> brk3: you still get an error with --force-overwrite? [02:49] <brk3> il try that [02:50] <brk3> was gonna try --force-depends [02:50] <brk3> may be safer [02:50] <apokryphos> no, force-depends sounds like it [02:51] <brk3> this will prob f**k up everthing :p [02:52] <apokryphos> I doubt it. [02:52] <brk3> i think its gona and overwritten a load of arts stuff [02:53] <brk3> it worked!!!!!!! [02:53] <brk3> dont beleive it [02:53] <brk3> lets see if it will actually play now [02:53] <brk3> plugins may be too old [02:53] <spermie> i just did a fresh install of kubuntu, but net isnt working, how do i fix this [02:54] <brk3> spermie: what do you mean net isnt working [02:54] <spermie> brk3 it prolly does work i just dont remember how to set it up [02:55] <brk3> but whats net [02:55] <brk3> just not sure to what your referring [02:55] <apokryphos> brk3: the Internet :). [02:56] <brk3> apokryphos: well your on irc! [02:56] <brk3> apokryphos: did you see the last few lines? [02:56] <apokryphos> brk3: I'm sure they're probably on another comp [02:57] <brk3> apokryphos: ya my bad [02:57] <brk3> spermie: ok so whats the prob [02:57] <brk3> why wont it work.. [02:58] <brk3> brb [02:59] <spermie> brk3 the problem is i dont have no net [03:00] <ralph1> /etc/cron.daily/man-db: [03:00] <ralph1> mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/mozilla.1.gz is a dangling symlink [03:00] <ralph1> mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/x-terminal-emulator.1.gz is a dangling symlink [03:00] <ralph1> Hi all: I am seeing these same messages in my root mail. Can some one help me correct the problem. [03:01] <ralph1> This is after a fresh/clean install of Kubuntu Hoary. [03:08] <BTJustice> I went to this webpage and followed the directions in the first post to get my SB Live! 7.1 24 to work, but the sound is real choppy and scratchy. Do I need to change a setting or something? I use Kubuntu. The webpage is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307 [03:16] <spermie> how do i configure apt? [03:23] <wincide> hi all, i cant send anything with dcc or kopete, i've tried opening ports ... i have no firewall but i can't send anything, does someone have an idea?? [03:32] <ralph1> I have OpenOffice 1.1.3 and OpenOffice 1.9.118 installed from the script found in tips and coustimizations for Kubuntu Hoary. I fould a script for downloading and installing the latest 1.9.122. The problem is that it requires 1.1.3 to be removed and that wants to delete kubuntu-desktop. Is ther a way to install the latest open office with out destroying kubuntu? [03:34] <pvn> hi all [03:34] <BTJustice> Open Kynaptic. Click on EDIT > FIND and seach for openoffice [03:34] <BTJustice> remove anything checked. [03:34] <ralph1> pvn: hi [03:34] <BTJustice> that should get rid of it [03:35] <BTJustice> hopefully [03:36] <pvn> can someone help me with a nw802 prob? [03:36] <n17r0> wasup [03:36] <pvn> h ehe [03:37] <n17r0> ff broodje smeren :P [03:37] <ralph1> BTJustice: nope still wants to remove Kubuntu-desktop along with openoffice 1.1.3. [03:37] <pvn> ja toch [03:38] <BTJustice> ralph1: You removed everything checked when you searched for openoffice? [03:38] <pvn> somebody got a Trust 120 spacecam? [03:39] <ralph1> BTJustice: NO I checked to remove openoffice 1.1.3 but cancelled to operation when I saw that it also wanted to delete Kubuntu-desktop [03:40] <BTJustice> I think you have ot uncheck everything found when you search for openoffice in Kynaptic [03:40] <flugh> ralph1: seems anything you apt-get remove in kubuntu wants to remove kubuntu desktop [03:41] <flugh> ralph1: i changed my wallpaper yesterday, boom. apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop [03:45] <BTJustice> I went to this webpage and followed the directions in the first post to get my SB Live! 7.1 24 to work, but the sound is real choppy and scratchy. Do I need to change a setting or something? I use Kubuntu. The webpage is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307 [04:12] <hater2win> whates the file to edit resolution? [04:12] <hater2win> xorg.conf? [04:27] <makkk> good evening/morning/day. I'm more used to ubuntu than kubuntu, but am setting kubuntu up for my girlfriend. Is there a way to install an ethernet connection even though i skipped that part during the installation? [04:29] <kainos> how wud i view other linux users from out lan network. i can only see computers using windows [04:32] <makkk> anyone? [04:32] <pax> makkk: GUI way, or console? [04:32] <makkk> anything [04:33] <makkk> i'm about to re-install, unless you know how to do it [04:33] <makkk> pax [04:33] <pax> makkk: hehe easy no need to reinstall [04:33] <makkk> ok. Great! [04:33] <pax> in console type kdesu kcontrol [04:33] <flugh> does my kubuntu live dvd give me the option to install at bootup? [04:33] <makkk> one sec. let it boot :), I was really about to reinstall [04:33] <pax> go to internet > networking settings [04:35] <makkk> pax, i'm with you nw [04:36] <pax> makkk: just go to that page it will detect your ethX [04:37] <makkk> pax... it did. i'm trying to enable it... and it enables for a sec, then disables itself. looks like there may be a problem with the adapter [04:38] <pax> makkk: ok, no problem, let' do it the right way. [04:38] <makkk> ok [04:38] <pax> makkk: paste your /etc/network/interfaces here http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/ [04:41] <pax> makkk: you have a link yet? [04:41] <dan2> this is amazing [04:41] <makkk> pax, one sec. [04:41] <dan2> nice look and feel and everything [04:41] <dan2> except amarok keeps crashing [04:41] <makkk> I'm typing it since i have no connection to the one that needs it [04:41] <pax> dan2: what ver? [04:41] <dan2> pax: whatever was on the hoary kubuntu cd [04:42] <dan2> 2:1.2.3-1ubuntu4 [04:42] <makkk> pax, do i put my nick in 'name'? [04:42] <pax> dan2: get 1.3 beta it's stable [04:42] <pax> makkk: yes. [04:42] <dan2> where do I get that from? [04:42] <makkk> ok [04:42] <pax> well 'stable' as in doesn't crash [04:42] <dan2> I'm not going to build it from source ;) [04:43] <pax> dan2: no need, let me get you a link [04:43] <dan2> ok [04:43] <dan2> will it work without upgrading to breezy? [04:43] <makkk> pax, its there [04:43] <makkk> when you're ready [04:44] <pax> dan2: try this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=297377&postcount=28 [04:44] <pax> makkk: got a link please? [04:45] <makkk> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1412 [04:46] <dan2> pax: doesn't work because of libgcc1 [04:47] <pax> dan2: it's somewhere in that thread you'll find a link [04:47] <pax> makkk: this is what you want in that fine http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1413 [04:47] <Furic> I try to play a cd (Ben Lee - awake is the new sleep) in KsCD, The cd skips every few seconds with digital audio extraction, but if i turn that off and use the crappy 8-bit audio of my cd drive it plays perfectly, is this some kind of copy protection? the cd case doesn't mention it actually being an audio cd... [04:48] <makkk> pax, so just change it to that? [04:48] <dan2> pax: I don't see it [04:48] <pax> makkk: basicaly just add two line 1st: iface eth0 inet dhcp [04:49] <pax> makkk: and: auto eth0 [04:49] <dan2> pax: its not there [04:49] <pax> dan2: one sec please. [04:49] <dan2> ok [04:50] <pax> dan2: do you have universe and multiverse enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? [04:50] <dan2> at least universe [04:51] <DoctorMO> can I install kubuntu from a livecd? [04:51] <pax> ok, enable both and install what it's asking you to install. [04:51] <pax> doc, Live no, get the install CD. [04:51] <pax> makkk: done copying? [04:52] <makkk> yes. [04:52] <IceDC571> this channel is alive [04:52] <IceDC571> thats neat [04:52] <pax> makkk: ok save and then from console: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart [04:52] <dan2> pax: its not available in hoary [04:52] <makkk> pax, thanks [04:52] <makkk> i'll try [04:53] <makkk> pax, you [04:53] <makkk> you're the man [04:53] <makkk> thank you [04:53] <makkk> (woman?) [04:53] <pax> dan2: sure is. [04:53] <pax> makkk: enjoy Kubuntu. [04:53] <IceDC571> okay so i just installed kde after using gnome, is there an easy way to destroy gnome and similar gtk apps that come with ubuntu? [04:53] <dan2> libgcc1 4.0 isn't [04:53] <pax> !find libgcc1 [04:54] <ubotu> libgcc1: (GCC support library), section libs, is required. Version: 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 79 kB, Installed size: 160 kB [04:54] <dan2> thats the one required [04:54] <dan2> pax: it was >=4.0.0-1 [04:54] <dan2> pax: the debs are built against breezy [04:54] <pax> ah, well I'm sure you'll find more than one thread about amarok 1.3 beta in the forums, just invest couple of minutes there [04:57] <dan2> tho the look of kubuntu is hot [04:57] <pax> dan2: http://ninux.net/files/ubuntu.png :D [04:57] <IceDC571> kubuntu looks a lot better on my laptop.. dont know what it is.. i absolutely hate using it with a CRT i guess [04:58] <dan2> heh [04:58] <pax> IceDC571: resolution maybe? [04:58] <dan2> IceDC571: who makes your laptop? [04:58] <IceDC571> dell [04:58] <dan2> iirc dell puts in 8ms lcds [04:59] <dan2> IceDC571: its probably a lot better on your laptop because it has a much better refresh rate [04:59] <dan2> you can mess with that on your crt tho [04:59] <ubuntu> Hmm.. Kubuntu is interesting... [04:59] <ubuntu> Not bad. [04:59] <IceDC571> yeah [04:59] <dan2> rule of thum [04:59] <dan2> thumb [04:59] <IceDC571> ubuntu: did you just make the transition? [04:59] <dan2> 1000/8 == 125hz [05:00] <dan2> 125hz is likely to be a hell of a lot faster than your crt [05:00] <pax> he's 'proly on kubuntu Live, the nickname can tell :) [05:00] <ubuntu> :) True it is. [05:01] <ubuntu> Never used kubuntu until today. [05:01] <dan2> are any of the ubuntu kernels compiled with software suspend 2? [05:01] <IceDC571> dan2: you cant check if they are? [05:02] <dan2> hmm? [05:02] <ubuntu> Does kubuntu live support smp? [05:02] <dan2> IceDC571: well I can, but the one that came with the install definetly doesn't [05:02] <IceDC571> ahh i see [05:02] <IceDC571> well i hear breezy fixed a lot of people's power management problems [05:03] <dan2> I want software suspend 2 because it has suspend to disk (hibernate) [05:03] <dan2> and since suspend to ram is fucked on my laptop [05:03] <dan2> which is due to the radeon not getting shut off properly [05:04] <IceDC571> who makes your laptop [05:04] <dan2> ibm [05:04] <dan2> T30 [05:05] <dan2> nice laptop [05:05] <dan2> its just a known problem with the radeons [05:05] <IceDC571> yeah.. brb i cant snack on food here [05:06] <BTJustice> Might anyone be able to help me fix a problem with my SB Live! 24 bit sound card? I have sound but it is real scratchy and jumpy. [05:08] <pax> have you tried the wiki? [05:08] <BTJustice> Yeah but it wasn't all the helpful. [05:08] <BTJustice> This got the sound card to work... [05:09] <apokryphos> BTJustice: it's better to try in #ubuntu for non-kde-related questions [05:09] <seth_k> anyone have any idea on making KOrganizer export to web in any format except HTML? XML, RSS, iCal? [05:09] <BTJustice> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307&highlight=live+24 [05:10] <BTJustice> I am using Kubuntu [05:10] <pax> BTJustice: you already have sound so I would try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary and then check kmix settings [05:10] <apokryphos> BTJustice: yes, but it's a non kde-related question; ubuntu uses the same base as kubuntu [05:10] <BTJustice> I tried asking there and no one answered so I came here. [05:11] <BTJustice> I'll try that pax, thanks. [05:21] <BTJustice> None of that helped [05:24] <drawagoat> can anyone here help me to get opengl working on my mobile radeon 9000...? [05:24] <drawagoat> ive been told that it is supported by the fglrx drivers but i cant get those drivers to work... [05:26] <IceDC571> ive noticed using kde increases the risk of my cats getting cancer [05:26] <IceDC571> is it true? [05:26] <pax> BTJustice: toying with kmix didn't make the sound quality better either eh? [05:27] <makkk> icddc571, its true. we just burried our cat last week [05:27] <makkk> it was the best day of my life [05:27] <BTJustice> pax nope [05:27] <BTJustice> i have them all at about 70% [05:28] <IceDC571> you must hate your poor cat [05:28] <IceDC571> i bet you can still hear it meow while you sleep [05:29] <makkk> cant hate something that doesnt exist anymor [05:29] <makkk> anyway, we're going to get kicked off for being way off topic... i might have more questions as i'm setting things up, so no more cat talks :) [05:30] <pax> hmm talking about 'cat' is no off-topic, it's a command. [05:30] <makkk> that is true [05:30] <pax> in fact, time to run sudo catman [05:31] <IceDC571> catman? [05:31] <IceDC571> that sounds interesting [05:31] <pax> that's right, info catman [05:31] <IceDC571> well i just ran it [05:31] <makkk> windows xp home edition sports a brand-new visual design that combines a sleek look, clean lines, and ... [05:31] <pax> good, your mouse will never work again. [05:32] <IceDC571> you serious? [05:32] <IceDC571> lol [05:32] <pax> no I'm not. [05:33] <IceDC571> i dont get it, what are the advantages of using catman? [05:33] <pax> read info catman or man catman :c) [05:34] <IceDC571> im reading [05:34] <IceDC571> but i can comprehend it [05:34] <IceDC571> cant [05:34] <pax> catman - create or update the pre-formatted manual pages [05:34] <IceDC571> so that means pre-formatted manual pages arent created until i run this command? [05:35] <IceDC571> actually i dont think i need to know what its for since i wont be using it [05:35] <pax> cat pages are generally much faster to display than the original manual pages, but require extra storage space. [05:36] <IceDC571> ohh i get it now [05:36] <IceDC571> so it generates cat pages from the original manuals? [05:36] <pax> yes [05:37] <IceDC571> that is neat [05:39] <IceDC571> you know the little fundraiser circle for freenode doesnt look right in konversation [05:40] <pax> what's neat is to be able to read man/info pages in conq :) [05:41] <IceDC571> i never read man pages im so lazy [05:41] <IceDC571> only readme and install pages [05:42] <BTJustice> pax: Might switches have anything to do with it? I have AC97 In, SPDIF Out, SPDIF In, SPDIF Out, SRC Out, i2s In, i2s Mixer Out [05:42] <BTJustice> i2n In is bright red [05:42] <BTJustice> First SPDIF Out is a dull yellow [05:42] <IceDC571> BTJustice: i doubt it would be a switch if your audio is already somewhat working [05:42] <pax> switches may have everything with it if your card is digital [05:42] <BTJustice> all the others are a dull red [05:43] <BTJustice> well it is either digitial or analog, [05:44] <pax> that output is enabled? [05:44] <IceDC571> well yeah switches help a lot when you're using digital out [05:44] <IceDC571> but if you can hear any audio from it, i doubt it would be switches [05:46] <pax> you should try to catch crimsun when he's around, he's the sound specialist [05:46] <BTJustice> Why does simple stuff have to be so hard with Linux? One would think it could automatically use the sound card. It is made by the #1 sound card comapny. [05:46] <IceDC571> BTJustice: have you tried compiling one of the latest ALSA sources? [05:47] <IceDC571> well 24-bit for live is sorta new so it would take them a bit to integrate it to mainstream drivers [05:47] <BTJustice> Its been out for like almost 2 years now [05:47] <BTJustice> Mine says 2003 on it [05:47] <IceDC571> oh, i havent noticed [05:48] <pax> BTJustice: it's hard because the drivers are made with no support from hardware companies. [05:48] <BTJustice> You know, if Linux could simply support all of the hardware that WIndows supports automatically without configuration, people would flock to linux in no time. [05:49] <pax> You should ask the #1 sound card company to make drivers for linux just like they do for windows [05:49] <BTJustice> lol, yeah with a nice installer [05:50] <pax> see, this is not linux issue, it's greed issue :D [05:51] <IceDC571> i've noticed the sound with live cards sounds a lot better in linux than it does on windows.. i was shocked [05:51] <BTJustice> This i how I got it to work in the first place... [05:51] <IceDC571> and i dont usually notice these things [05:51] <BTJustice> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307 [05:54] <IceDC571> i wish alsa would just release their damn drivers so people wouldnt have to compile from the latest source these days [05:54] <IceDC571> there might be a conflict with the old alsa drivers [05:55] <BTJustice> Can they be downlaoded? Someone in #ubuntu said the latest version is like 1.0.9b [05:55] <BTJustice> but that person left [05:55] <BTJustice> and this one did too, lol [06:14] <judax> :) [06:15] <leiden> hey [06:23] <Leus> Can anybody connect to yahoo via gaim? [06:25] <makkk> leus, yes, i have no problems [06:25] <makkk> what version do you have? [06:25] <Leus> I downloaded using aptitude today... [06:26] <Leus> I downloaded gaim using aptitude today... [06:26] <makkk> Leus, go to Help>About [06:31] <Leus> What URL do you use for chat room in yahoo? [06:32] <makkk> Lues, one way to find them is by going to Tools>Room List [06:32] <makkk> then choose your yahoo account and click 'get list' [06:45] <IceDC571> wow kde 3.5 is taking like forever to compile [06:48] <IceDC571> you know what i hate about compiling in the terminal.. there is no percentage completed display [06:50] <makkk> ice, so are you one of the developers? [06:50] <Leus> You are rigth Ice [06:53] <IceDC571> makkk, no im just trying out the new alpha kde from the source [06:53] <IceDC571> using konstruct to be exact [07:42] <BTJustice> I have a SB Live! 7.1 24bit sound card. I used these directions (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307) to get it to work, but the sound is really choppy and scratchy. How can I fix that in Kubuntu? [07:45] <foodcoman> Is there FAQ or Howto for reprogramming what a mouse button does? [07:50] <IceDC571> BTJustice, any luck asking in #ubuntu ? [08:29] <transgre1s> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25529 <== time for me to switch to bsd it looks like [08:30] <Kaiser_away> why? [08:31] <Dhraakellian> no, it just means that people can't use the term "linux" inappropriately [08:32] <Dhraakellian> I don't really know the details of this stuff, but it's a trademark issue, not a copyright or patent problem [08:34] <Kaiser_away> it's hype :| and it's not realy news. ist just they have started to warn people, wheres before they were letting them geta way with it [08:37] <Dhraakellian> it's just the name though, not the code [08:53] <IceDC571> wow kde does take a while to compile [08:55] <john> hey, how do you change the cursor in KDE? [08:55] <john> like is it possible to change how it looks? [08:56] <IceDC571> arcanistherogue, i have no idea in kde but i'll look around for you.. i have nothing better to do [08:56] <arcanistherogue> oh, ok [08:56] <arcanistherogue> thanks alot. [08:57] <arcanistherogue> I just wanted something a bit more sleek to go with my Deus Ex wallpaper <_< [08:57] <IceDC571> arcanistherogue, http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/qna/11617.html [08:58] <IceDC571> and goto www.kdelook.org to get themes for it im guessing [08:58] <arcanistherogue> oh ok [08:58] <arcanistherogue> thanks [08:59] <arcanistherogue> DAMN. Just as soon as I find an awesome Deus Ex wallpaper, I find another awesome one on KDE Look. [09:00] <IceDC571> kdelook is a pretty good resource for customizing kde, or anything else so keep that in mind [09:00] <arcanistherogue> say, how do I use SuperKaramba? I got Karamba and SuperKaramba via apt-get, but how do I run them?> [09:01] <arcanistherogue> And holy crap Plasma looks awesome <_< [09:02] <IceDC571> if you cant find them in the app menus you can just type karamba and superkaramba from the run dialog.. that should work [09:02] <arcanistherogue> what is the run dialog? is that in the konsole? [09:02] <IceDC571> well actually i dont know if thats the exact command to type but its usually like that for all other apps [09:02] <yudi> does anyone here can help me, i have problem with crossover office pre, when i play mp3 in iTunes, the sound didn't come out? [09:02] <IceDC571> its in the menu.. run program [09:02] <yudi> does anyone here can help me, i have problem with crossover office pro, when i play mp3 in iTunes, the sound didn't come out? [09:02] <IceDC571> im not in kde right now i cant really see [09:03] <IceDC571> yudi, have you tried going to the quicktime settings and setting the sound out to waveout instead of directsound? [09:04] <yudi> ok wait [09:05] <yudi> damn... the quick time player opened and when loading, closed it's self :( [09:05] <yudi> it doesn't happen last night [09:06] <IceDC571> well i dont know what to say unless you want to reinstall everything in crossover [09:06] <yudi> ok [09:09] <yudi> i can get in to quick time settings [09:09] <yudi> that ask about connection speed, etc [09:10] <yudi> there is no sound out [09:10] <yudi> there's only sound in [09:11] <yudi> hello... [09:18] <CyberMad> how to kill an apps? [09:18] <CyberMad> like a skull mouse pointer [09:27] <CyberMad> how to kill an apps? [09:28] <xxenon> can I get firefox to print using kprinter ? [09:30] <xxenon> got it, sorry. [09:49] <kainos> i need help. i cnt configure samba bec it keeps on coming back to default screen. i have the root prvileges yet i cant configure smb [09:51] <kainos> i need help. i cnt configure samba bec it keeps on coming back to default screen. i have the root prvileges yet i cant configure smb [09:52] <seaLne> how are you trying to configure it? [09:52] <CyberMad> i already setting my quick time setting and still there is no sound when i play a mp3 in iTunes (CrossOver)? [09:52] <CyberMad> i set the sound out to wave [09:52] <CyberMad> waveOut [09:53] <CyberMad> Rate 44.100Khz [09:53] <CyberMad> Rate 44.100kHz [09:53] <CyberMad> size 16 bit [09:53] <CyberMad> Use stereo [09:54] <CyberMad> Buffer in millisec : 30 [09:54] <CyberMad> Number of buffers in fifo : 9 and i don't choose the "Reverse channel.. blah blah" [10:16] <buz> is there something wrong with kpdf in the 3.4.2 packages? [10:17] <buz> occasionally, it just displays garbage or crashes outright when kghostview works just fine on the very same pdf [10:22] <r1kzun> hi [10:25] <r1kzun> any have problem compiling 2.6.11 kernel? [10:25] <r1kzun> it always give me "kernel panic" [10:26] <r1kzun> :s [10:30] <CyberMad> can i use aptitude or apt-get to install Opera? [10:30] <milksteak> don't think you can [10:31] <milksteak> but if you get the .deb from www.opera.com [10:31] <milksteak> it's just sudo dpkg -i <deb> [10:31] <[ITA] MisterX> Where I can find a free linux antivirus? [10:32] <CyberMad> ok [10:33] <ralph1> Does anyone know if there problems with repositories. A lot of them are failing to connect and let me update. [10:33] <CyberMad> i guess if you already set you file permission correctly, so don't worry about virus [10:34] <[ITA] MisterX> ok :) [10:34] <csenger> [ITA] MisterX, there's clamav (open source) and f-prot (free for non-commercial or private) [10:34] <[ITA] MisterX> gui or console? [10:35] <CyberMad> is there any bookmark organizer? [10:35] <buz> what bookmarks [10:35] <CyberMad> websites [10:36] <buz> i mean by what browser [10:36] <CyberMad> opera, konqueror [10:36] <buz> no idea, dont use either one [10:36] <CyberMad> it's like compass in windows [11:18] <hussam> Woot, I finally got my tvtuner working under Kubuntu [11:23] <hussam> Was starting to think the ubuntu kernel did not support v4l correctly, but then it worked [11:54] <tenco> how can i install a math font for konqueror? [12:03] <tenco> how can i install a math font for konqueror? [12:05] <tigermb> hey i recently got a problem with nvidia [12:05] <pl_ice> hi [12:05] <tigermb> on gnomemy fps was just fine [12:05] <tigermb> but somehow on kde it is very low [12:05] <tigermb> someone knows what to do? [12:06] <tenco> how can i install a math font for konqueror? [12:07] <npfet> hi [12:12] <hussam> tenco: there's a font installer in kcontrol under system administration if that's what you are refering to. [12:12] <tenco> hussam: i just learned that konqueror cannot display mathml :-\ [12:13] <hussam> tenco: then it is a khtml bug [12:13] <n> I've just tried the latest opensuse beta and I'm very impressed with its 'Suspend to disk' shutdown/boot feature which has halved my boot time. Will breezy implement this too? [12:14] <PurpleMotion> okay, i need 3ivx 4.5 and the latest linux version available is 3.5.. does anyone have any recommendations? [12:20] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: best bet is to check if libavcodec supports that version of 3ivx [12:27] <CyberMad> how to burn iso in linux? [12:27] <milksteak> k3b [12:28] <bz0b> hey guys [12:31] <CyberMad> k3b ? is that the software burner name? [12:31] <phreakys> hi [12:32] <phreakys> is there a gui cvs available for kde? [12:32] <tenco> where is kmplayer? [12:32] <spiral> phreakys: cervisia, cvs:/ in konqueror [12:32] <tigermb> CyberMad: fire up k3b, iso buring [12:32] <phreakys> cool, tnx spiral [12:32] <spiral> phreakys: ;-) [12:34] <_stef> hello all :-) [12:34] <tenco> is there a repository which has kmplayer? [12:35] <CyberMad> thanks [12:35] <phreakys> tenco=> not the std universe/multiverse/backport [12:35] <phreakys> try finding a debian package [12:35] <_stef> I want to reinstall k3b I removed it and want to reinstall again but when I insert the cd the cd is not found. What is wrong? [12:36] <tenco> phreakys: but isnt it dangerously to mix debian and ubuntu packages? [12:37] <phreakys> shouldnt be a big problem tenco. ubuntu is debianbased [12:37] <jpatrick> _stef: try apt-get update while the cd is in the drive [12:37] <phreakys> you could also try converting other packages, like rpms with alien [12:37] <tenco> phreakys: i know, debian is the base. but i read sth about that packages shouldnt be mixed... [12:37] <phreakys> alien -d foo.rpm [12:38] <phreakys> well, i didnt have problems with it so far. [12:38] <phreakys> just be careful ;) [12:38] <Aapzak> goodday room [12:38] <CyberMad> yes.. i don't have problem with alien command to so far [12:38] <tenco> phreakys: is ubuntu testing or unstable? [12:39] <CyberMad> i already converted crossover office pro rpm to deb [12:39] <phreakys> tenco, ubuntu is rocksolid :) [12:39] <Aapzak> CyberMad: still working on it? [12:39] <phreakys> but you may want to try kubuntu, if you like kde [12:39] <CyberMad> i install mIRC and right now i use mIRC on linux... there is no problem [12:39] <_stef> jpatrick: I tried thgis but the cd isnt found alway the message that I have to put the cdrom inside [12:39] <CyberMad> but when i install iTunes, the sounds didn't come out? [12:40] <tenco> phreakys: ah, no. i meant debian testing or debian unstable. i use kubuntu btw, but the most is the same for ubuntu and kubuntu, or? [12:40] <Aapzak> CyberMad: you should not be running Linux :) [12:40] <Aapzak> buy a Mac [12:40] <CyberMad> hahaha [12:40] <CyberMad> :P [12:41] <tenco> phreakys: e.g. the base-system: hotplug, hald, etc.pp. [12:41] <phreakys> yea, its it allmost the same stuff [12:41] <tenco> so, is (k)ubuntu debian testing or debian unstable? [12:41] <phreakys> its just that i like kde better [12:41] <tenco> phreakys: too [12:41] <Aapzak> tenco: It's not mapped like that [12:41] <_stef> jpatrick: do you have another idea? [12:41] <phreakys> im not sure about that tenco [12:42] <tenco> Aapzak: like what, then? [12:42] <phreakys> it has a newer kernel std though [12:42] <CyberMad> stable or not is depends the kernel [12:42] <_stef> Itried also apt-setup but same result [12:42] <phreakys> debian still sticks with 2.4 if im correct [12:42] <CyberMad> not the distro [12:42] <Aapzak> well, Kubuntu has KDE 3.4.1 or 3.4.2 I believe, that is not in Debian yet, so they build their own packages [12:42] <CyberMad> distro just package the appz [12:42] <phreakys> yea [12:43] <CyberMad> i like simplity of kubuntu [12:43] <tenco> Aapzak: and the base-system, is this deb testing or unstable? [12:43] <Aapzak> I think the same goes for the base system, you can't relate that 1:1 to a tree [12:44] <tenco> Aapzak: ok. so i will wait till kmplayer is in kubuntu, then. [12:44] <Aapzak> the kernel is newer, the kernel is linux :) [12:44] <phreakys> ill try it [12:44] <Aapzak> I think most packages come from experimental or self-build [12:45] <Aapzak> Kubuntu will be faster with releases than Debian, almost always I think [12:46] <CyberMad> tenco why u don't just kmplayer deb package? [12:46] <Aapzak> yeah, or compile it yourself [12:46] <tenco> because debian and kubuntu is out of sync [12:46] <Aapzak> you can dl the .deb and try [12:46] <CyberMad> i guess.. you will never find kubuntu goes to package kmplayer in their distro [12:47] <tenco> i want a reliable solution [12:47] <_stef> there are some problems with dependecies if you mix [12:47] <CyberMad> because kubuntu is about simplicity [12:47] <tenco> CyberMad: why? [12:47] <CyberMad> that's why [12:48] <Aapzak> I don't think everyone should stick to whats in the repository, you can always try to install a .deb or compile yourself, no harm in that [12:48] <phreakys> works fine [12:48] <tenco> perhaps theres a kde skin for mplayer out there :) [12:48] <phreakys> kmplayer installs without problems [12:48] <CyberMad> try use apt-get or aptitude to install kmplayer (maybe they have) [12:48] <phreakys> just install those 4 deb packages [12:49] <phreakys> dpkg -i foo.deb [12:49] <phreakys> sweet proggy btw :-) [12:49] <Aapzak> kmplayer is nice? [12:49] <phreakys> yea, looks nice [12:49] <Aapzak> kewl [12:50] <tenco> awh, ok. i will try [12:50] <tenco> :) [12:50] <phreakys> not sure if it adds something to kaffeine [12:50] <tenco> i removed kaboodle, kaffeine and noatun [12:50] <phreakys> ah :) [12:50] <Aapzak> mplayer is much more mature than the alternatives [12:51] <phreakys> what about xmms? [12:51] <Aapzak> xmms is good [12:51] <tenco> btw, i dont think that installing 3 different mediaplayers is "simplicity" [12:51] <Aapzak> :) [12:51] <phreakys> hehe [12:51] <Aapzak> amarok is rather nice [12:51] <phreakys> its free [12:51] <phreakys> ;) [12:51] <phreakys> yea, but i prefer xmms [12:52] <phreakys> with streamtuner [12:52] <Aapzak> only thing: it has trouble scanning my music repos. through samba [12:52] <bz0b> can someone tell me if the sources for ubuntu are the same kubuntu? [12:52] <Aapzak> amarok that is, xmms works perfect [12:52] <tenco> i also use amarok. amarok and mplayer. thats enough [12:52] <bz0b> or are there are others for kubuntu? [12:52] <phreakys> ah [12:52] <Aapzak> bz0b: I think they are [12:52] <phreakys> winamp under wine? :) [12:52] <tenco> bz0b: yes, kubuntu is the kubuntu-desktop meta-package [12:53] <Aapzak> please, uninstall wine [12:53] <phreakys> why? [12:53] <phreakys> not stable? [12:53] <Aapzak> just use the linux alternatives [12:53] <Aapzak> it's pretty stable, what do you run under wine? [12:54] <phreakys> yea, but some software needs windows [12:54] <phreakys> i try to get used with gimp [12:54] <Aapzak> gimp is perfect [12:54] <phreakys> but photoshop wont run under linux :) [12:54] <phreakys> yea, i prefer gimp [12:54] <tenco> uhm, whats the rep with the debs for mplayer? maqurillia(sp?) [12:54] <Aapzak> photoshop is too expensive [12:54] <phreakys> i wanna run director under wine [12:55] <phreakys> http://www.xs4all.nl/~jjvrieze/kmplayer.html [12:55] <phreakys> just download them, and install locally with dpkg -i [12:55] <phreakys> ehm [12:55] <phreakys> nm [12:55] <tenco> phreakys: ah, thanks [12:56] <Aapzak> gtg now ... bye! [12:57] <_mario> hello [12:57] <tenco> uhm, kpackage needs "su" which doesnt work, since root account is disabled... [12:57] <_mario> where can i set the default route for my network? [12:58] <phreakys> you can enable root account [12:58] <phreakys> or sudo [12:58] <phreakys> sudo dpkg -i foo.deb [12:58] <_mario> i tried to do it with kcmshell kcm_knetworkconfmodule, but after a reboot the default gateway is not there anymore, i need to redo it with route add default gw 192.168.1.1 [12:58] <tenco> phreakys: i just want to test the simplicity, ok? :) [12:58] <phreakys> ;-) [12:58] <phreakys> sudo will do [12:59] <tenco> phreakys: i know dpkg, apt-get pretty much. i used debian over a year [12:59] <phreakys> ah [12:59] <tenco> phreakys: but i also want to test kubuntu about useability for "normal" users [01:00] <phreakys> i got used to it in 3 days [01:00] <tenco> phreakys: and things like kpackage not working or kynaptic not usable are rather disturbing... [01:00] <CyberMad> what is the best e-mail client in linux? [01:00] <jpatrick> Kmal [01:00] <tenco> CyberMad: depends [01:00] <jpatrick> Kmail [01:00] <phreakys> kynapic works doesnt it? [01:00] <jpatrick> well I like Kontact :) [01:00] <tenco> mutt, Kmail, mutt-ng [01:01] <tenco> phreakys: kynaptic is buggy and you dont want to use it to install packages... [01:01] <tenco> phreakys: i cannot handle dialogs [01:01] <CyberMad> thanks.. i will use Kmail then [01:02] <phreakys> it worked for me. only bug i noticed was the windowheight problem [01:02] <tenco> phreakys: e.g. when i tried to install leafnode with kynaptic, it fetched the the package, extracted it and hung forever at configuring [01:02] <phreakys> oops [01:02] <phreakys> ill try it too [01:02] <CyberMad> looks like Kmail not installed in kubuntu ? [01:02] <CyberMad> or i'm wrong [01:02] <tenco> so i think it doesnt handle dialogs not at all or not very well [01:03] <tenco> CyberMad: its just not in the kmen [01:03] <phreakys> here it goes :)\ [01:03] <tenco> CyberMad: open a konsole and start it from there [01:03] <phreakys> whats leafnode btw? [01:03] <tenco> thats another thing. [01:03] <jpatrick> CyberMad: It's built-into Kontact [01:04] <phreakys> yea, it hangs [01:04] <tenco> knode, kmail and a bunch of other kde-apps weren't in kmen after install! [01:04] <CyberMad> ow so i dont't need to install KMail :) thanks2 [01:04] <CyberMad> kmen ? [01:04] <jpatrick> Just use Kontact [01:05] <CyberMad> so if someday i move to other distro, can i backup my contacts, e-mail to other e-mail client ? [01:05] <CyberMad> like KMail? [01:05] <jpatrick> It's stored in your $HOME folder [01:06] <tenco> jpatrick: uhm, is that intended? [01:06] <tenco> jpatrick: kontact as the only programm for kmail, knode etc? [01:06] <jpatrick> :< [01:06] <tenco> phreakys: i said so ;) [01:07] <phreakys> heh, yea. i cant install with apt anymore now [01:07] <tenco> phreakys: just kill the waiting dpkg processes [01:07] <phreakys> ah, tnx [01:08] <jpatrick> As long as your home folder is on a different partition :p [01:08] <CyberMad> yes :) [01:08] <CyberMad> jpatrick may i know what partition do you use to mount? [01:08] <jpatrick> You should be okay [01:08] <CyberMad> i only use 3 [01:08] <CyberMad> root [01:08] <CyberMad> home [01:08] <CyberMad> swap [01:08] <jpatrick> I have 4 [01:09] <jpatrick> root, home, swap, swap [01:09] <CyberMad> err... why swap swap? [01:09] <nikkia> jpatrick, why not just have enough swap to start with :P [01:09] <CyberMad> does 1 swap enough? [01:09] <jpatrick> no [01:09] <CyberMad> why why why? [01:09] <jpatrick> I have 1GB swap :p [01:10] <nikkia> altho, it'd be nice if you could 'raid' swap across 2 or more disks [01:10] <nikkia> jpatrick: i have 4GB [01:10] <jpatrick> I have 128MB RAM [01:10] <jpatrick> :( [01:11] <nikkia> i have 1GB of ram, and still find myself using more than 2GB of swap [01:11] <tenco> hmpff, kmplayer doesnt work [01:12] <CyberMad> ow so the teory of swap is 2x ram is can be expanded? [01:12] <PurpleMotion> nikkia: what in gods name are you doing?!? [01:12] <CyberMad> does it effect much... if i have 256 MB and use 1 GB swap? [01:12] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: work [01:13] <phreakys> :S [01:13] <nikkia> CyberMad: its just a guideline, if you need more than 2x ram, you need more than 2x ram :) [01:13] <PurpleMotion> work that requires 3gb of memory? i find that hard to believe [01:13] <CyberMad> damn.. can't find anywhere package of cbrpager [01:13] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: yes, i'm a software engineer, my current project is written in java, and has a little under 1GB of data [01:13] <PurpleMotion> ah [01:13] <PurpleMotion> right on [01:14] <nikkia> by the time you add together emacs, eclipse, X, KDE, java and the data, you get about to 3GB [01:14] <PurpleMotion> THAT makes sense [01:14] <PurpleMotion> hell eclipse by itself is a memory whore [01:14] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: i found its memory usage dropped if i only use it for build/run [01:14] <phreakys> wtf, i rebooted my computer, and now the whole kde-desktop is back to zero [01:14] <nikkia> ie, don't ever open a text editor window within it [01:15] <PurpleMotion> right on [01:15] <nikkia> so i use xemacs on another screen, and just refresh the project to get eclipse to rebuild :) [01:15] <PurpleMotion> emacs is evil [01:15] <phreakys> waaah [01:15] <nikkia> nah, emacs is great, once you're used to it [01:15] <PurpleMotion> id rather use charcoal and a piece of slate [01:15] <phreakys> i got a ubuntu desktop now on kubuntu [01:16] <phreakys> synaptic instead of kynaptic :S [01:16] <tenco> phreakys: ? [01:16] <PurpleMotion> good [01:16] <PurpleMotion> kynaptic is frightening [01:16] <CyberMad> do you have any good site reference for setting NAT, Proxy (Squid) and Bandwidth Limiter (HTB), i mean step by step tutorial...? [01:16] <tenco> PurpleMotion: jup [01:16] <phreakys> i dont understand :-S [01:17] <tenco> phreakys: what have you done? [01:17] <PurpleMotion> phreakys: youre better off using synaptic in kde than kynaptic [01:17] <phreakys> yea, but all my kde settings are gone [01:17] <Hobbsee> synaptic is way better than kynaptic, in any desktop [01:17] <phreakys> lol [01:17] <phreakys> well, ok [01:17] <PurpleMotion> kynaptic is still in an infantile stage, is NOT EVEN CLOSE to complete, and is downrigth frightening in some of its assumptions :D [01:17] <phreakys> but it strikes me when such a thing happens for no reason [01:18] <tenco> me too [01:18] <tenco> btw, kmplayer doesnt work [01:18] <phreakys> not? [01:18] <tenco> i cant play videos with it [01:18] <phreakys> arg [01:18] <phreakys> maybe need some codecs? [01:18] <tenco> i installed mplayer already [01:19] <phreakys> hm [01:19] <PurpleMotion> kmplayer? [01:19] <tenco> jep [01:19] <PurpleMotion> yeesh [01:19] <_mario> hello [01:19] <PurpleMotion> whats wrong with mplayers gui? [01:19] <tenco> its not kde? [01:19] <_mario> where can i get spamassassin from? [01:19] <PurpleMotion> oh my god [01:19] <tenco> :) [01:19] <_mario> do i have to add an additional apt-source? [01:20] <tenco> PurpleMotion: btw, where do i need to install new skins for mplayer into? ~/.mplayer/skins does not work [01:20] <PurpleMotion> heh [01:20] <PurpleMotion> it wouldnt [01:20] <PurpleMotion> try [01:20] <PurpleMotion> ~/.mplayer/Skin [01:21] <satafterh> where can I download the lastest stable kernel and what verson would that be?? [01:21] <satafterh> anyone? [01:21] <PurpleMotion> but i just install them system-wide into /usr/share/mplayer/Skin [01:21] <tenco> PurpleMotion: disgusting. capital letters [01:21] <PurpleMotion> tenco: dont bitch at me [01:21] <tenco> PurpleMotion: its not your fault :) [01:21] <PurpleMotion> I know [01:21] <PurpleMotion> thats why i said dont bitch at me [01:22] <tenco> PurpleMotion: i didnt bitch at you [01:22] <tenco> PurpleMotion: with disgusting i meant the capital letter. the capital letter in "Skin" [01:22] <phreakys> lol [01:22] <PurpleMotion> I know [01:22] <tenco> ha, got a plastik skin for mplayer :) [01:23] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: that'll make it nice and easy for the FBI to find :P [01:23] <satafterh> I have an amd atlon 2600+ running a 386 kernel, would I notice any differance with a k7 or 686 kernel? [01:23] <PurpleMotion> nikkia: I'm free, white, and over 21.. As long as they dont yank it over my keyboard, i dont much care [01:25] <phreakys> hm [01:28] <phreakys> darn [01:28] <phreakys> nothing changed [01:31] <phreakys> how can a kubuntu distro change to ubuntu suddenly? [01:31] <jbasilio> anyone know how to, by default, start multiple X sessions? [01:31] <tenco> phreakys: dont know. is kdm still there? [01:31] <phreakys> yea, kdm is working, but it has the structure of ubuntu now [01:31] <tenco> ? [01:32] <phreakys> some things are different from kubuntu like the theme manager, packet manager [01:32] <tenco> uhm, what session type have you selected in kdm? [01:33] <phreakys> i didnt select anything i guess [01:33] <tenco> ok, try this [01:33] <tenco> log out, and in kdm select "kde" session-type before loging in again [01:33] <phreakys> ok [01:34] <phreakys> hm [01:34] <tenco> and? [01:35] <phreakys> session type gnome, kde and default [01:35] <phreakys> im running kde now [01:35] <tenco> ok [01:35] <phreakys> its running an ubuntu splash then [01:36] <phreakys> and starts with ubuntu's kde [01:36] <tenco> so no kubuntu? [01:36] <phreakys> nah, its kdeubuntu now [01:36] <phreakys> well, fine to me ;-) [01:36] <tenco> :) [01:37] <tenco> you know aptitude? [01:37] <phreakys> no? [01:37] <tenco> hm, ok [01:37] <tenco> ...not ok :) [01:37] <tenco> its a package manager [01:37] <phreakys> apt? [01:37] <phreakys> aah [01:37] <tenco> like synaptic but for the console [01:37] <phreakys> yea, i use apt [01:37] <tenco> and more reliable :) [01:38] <phreakys> yes, true [01:38] <phreakys> maybe i can reinstall kubuntu desktop settings [01:38] <tenco> just try it with sudo aptitude [01:38] <tenco> jup [01:38] <tenco> search for sth like kubuntu-desktop [01:38] <satafterh> i am new to linux and i have seen a few people say kde is not stable, i have not had an issue in the month running kubuntu aand gnome is kind of boring looking [01:39] <phreakys> weird [01:39] <phreakys> kubuntu desktop was not installed [01:40] <phreakys> i think this happened after i shut down dpkg with killall -9 dpkg [01:40] <phreakys> i guess it will restore the settings now :-) [01:40] <phreakys> *reboot* [01:44] <phreakys> pfew [01:44] <phreakys> its back [01:44] <phreakys> :-D [01:45] <tenco> :) [01:45] <phreakys> tnx for the tip tenco [01:45] <pl_ice_> hey [01:45] <phreakys> ey [01:45] <tenco> np. now you know why kynaptic is evil :) [01:45] <pl_ice_> u guys using mesg by any chance? [01:45] <phreakys> heh :) [01:46] <tenco> bye! [01:46] <phreakys> bye [01:51] <PurpleMotion> why is it every time someone says 'bible thumper' i hear 'bible humper'? [01:51] <PurpleMotion> i retract that question. i'm going to bed [01:51] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: i dunno, i think its related to having a 'My pornography' directory :P [01:52] <PurpleMotion> nikkia: you think the My Pornography Directory is bad.... it's organized by the type of pornography :D I have Sodomy, Menage, Fellatio, Cunnilingus, Lesbian, Threesomes, etc etc etc [01:53] <nikkia> yes, i imagine you would [01:53] <PurpleMotion> over half of it is my wife's you know.... [01:53] <PurpleMotion> well, about half, actually [01:53] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: don't doubt it, i have a sizable collection too [01:54] <PurpleMotion> ;) most people do.. it's just us bold few who admit it [01:54] <PurpleMotion> but i also smoke weed, drink, and trip whenever i can find a suitable hallucinogen [01:55] <PurpleMotion> hostname: [01:55] <PurpleMotion> psilocybin [01:56] <nikkia> wow, thanks [01:56] <nikkia> you just reminded me of an album i'm missing [01:56] <PurpleMotion> anytime ;) [01:56] <PurpleMotion> LOL [01:57] <PurpleMotion> what album is that? [01:57] <nikkia> The Cars [01:57] <nikkia> bah, its not on the torrent site i use :/ [01:57] <_thiago> hey, hi everyone [01:58] <PurpleMotion> try a different site [01:58] <PurpleMotion> hi thiago [01:58] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: i only download music in FLAC format [01:58] <nikkia> so the site i use is pretty much 'it' :/ [01:58] <PurpleMotion> torrentreactor.net, torrentspy.com, piratebay.some_shit [01:58] <PurpleMotion> oh [01:58] <nikkia> everywhere else tends to be MP3 junk [01:58] <PurpleMotion> like you can hear the difference [01:58] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: yes, i can [01:59] <_thiago> what is the best multimedia player for kubuntu nowadays? [01:59] <PieD> _thiago: ... [01:59] <PurpleMotion> mplayer [01:59] <PieD> music player only : amaroK [01:59] <_thiago> for video? [01:59] <nikkia> _thiago: most people like amarok, but its lack of anything but mp3 and ogg support is annoying [01:59] <PieD> else mplayer or kaffeine [01:59] <PurpleMotion> shouldnt that be Kamaro by traditional kde naming convention? [01:59] <nikkia> _thiago: for video, i use xine [01:59] <PurpleMotion> yeah amaroK needs plugins [02:00] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: well, it is written amaroK *shrug* [02:00] <PieD> nikkia: can't amaroK support wav, wma... ? [02:00] <PurpleMotion> for video and audio and codecs and whatnot [02:00] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: it can actually *play* lots of formats with the right backend [02:00] <PieD> using an engine including that codecs [02:00] <_thiago> thanks, im using xmms for mp3, but im looking foward for a decent video player [02:00] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: the problem is, it can't hold anything but mp3 and ogg in its collection [02:00] <nikkia> and the collection is clearly the main reason to use amaroK [02:00] <PurpleMotion> which is ridiculous [02:00] <PurpleMotion> yah [02:00] <PieD> nikkia: how can't it handle a no-documented format like wma ? [02:00] <PurpleMotion> i love how it sorts [02:01] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: more so when you realise that KDE itself handles lots of formats, and can extract meta info from almost all of them [02:01] <PieD> how can you retrieve tags from wma files ? [02:01] <PurpleMotion> nikkia: so someone needs to light a fire uner the guys ass who writes amaroK [02:01] <nikkia> pied, i don't care about WMA, but there are plenty of documented file formats that it COULD support [02:01] <PurpleMotion> i gotta take a leak, ill brb [02:01] <PieD> send bug reports [02:01] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: tbh, given some of his blog, i dunno if its worthwhile [02:02] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: it might be better off to write an alternative, you only really need a collection manager and let KDE handle playback and getting the meta info [02:02] <PieD> nikkia: it's not better ! [02:03] <PurpleMotion> id use mplayer for the backend [02:03] <PurpleMotion> well except for streaming [02:03] <PurpleMotion> mplayer doesnt seem to stream for shit [02:03] <PieD> amaroK can use xine for the backend [02:03] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: ffmpeg is another option [02:03] <PieD> and it works perfectly [02:03] <PieD> you only have to extend their library [02:04] <PieD> is that so hard ? [02:04] <nikkia> PieD: yes [02:04] <PurpleMotion> it can use gstreamer too cant it? [02:04] <_thiago> ive just installed kaffeiine, and its already crashed... [02:04] <PieD> PurpleMotion: yes, it can [02:04] <nikkia> PieD: the collection manager is very badly written, IMO [02:04] <PieD> nikkia: you can't even report bugs ? [02:04] <PurpleMotion> nikkia: have you had a look at the source? [02:04] <nikkia> pied, given that it doesn't recognise 99% of my music, wtf should i run it to run bugs ? [02:04] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: yes [02:04] <PieD> ... [02:05] <PurpleMotion> that nasty, eh [02:05] <PieD> nikkia: that's the worst behaviour you could have [02:05] <PurpleMotion> nikkia so write us a new one [02:05] <PurpleMotion> same basic behavior, proper support [02:05] <nikkia> PieD: if it recognised most of my music, i would run it, and report bugs, but i'm not running it just to go 'oh look, it doesn't recognise over 50GB of my music [02:05] <PurpleMotion> we'll all salivate gratuitously towards you for it :) [02:05] <PieD> what format is your music ? [02:05] <PieD> you even didn't say it [02:05] <PurpleMotion> yeah she did [02:05] <nikkia> pied, flac and aac [02:05] <PurpleMotion> flac [02:06] <PieD> flac isn't supported by amaroK ? [02:06] <PieD> I believed it was [02:06] <nikkia> pied, no [02:06] <PieD> report bug [02:06] <roguejedix_> Sure it is [02:06] <PieD> that's so hard to click on a button ? [02:06] <roguejedix_> My amarok plays flac files just fine [02:06] <PurpleMotion> but the organizer doesnt list them [02:06] <nikkia> roguejedix_: plays, or recognises in the collection ? [02:06] <PurpleMotion> thats her point [02:06] <nikkia> roguejedix_: there's a big difference [02:07] <nikkia> if i just want to play files one by one, i can use noatun [02:07] <PurpleMotion> I know I would *LOVE* one place to organize all my movies, music, and internet tv and radio stations (both asf and mp3, etc) together [02:07] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: *nod* what you want, and what i really want, then, is a media manager, rather than a media player [02:08] <roguejedix_> Whoops, my bad then [02:08] <PurpleMotion> yeah [02:08] <PurpleMotion> but a media manager that embeds the player [02:08] <PurpleMotion> one interface for everything [02:08] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: ie, something that can store details, but let something else do the work of playing the media - be it gstreamer, xine, mplayer, kde/arts [02:08] <PurpleMotion> write it for me, nikkia [02:08] <PurpleMotion> i'll give you some porn :> [02:09] <PurpleMotion> but it has to be able to manage streaming audio and video too [02:09] <PurpleMotion> especially wma/wmv/asf [02:10] <PieD> PurpleMotion: wma and wmv must be banned ! [02:10] <PurpleMotion> screw that [02:10] <PurpleMotion> just build in support [02:10] <PieD> nikkia: amaroK supports flac in the library [02:10] <PieD> PurpleMotion: that formats are pieces of shit ! [02:11] <PieD> you can't use it on PPC linux for instance [02:11] <PurpleMotion> whatever, lots of stuff is released in them, therefore i require support. i couldn't possibly care less about peoples opinions over open and closed source formats and codecs, ALL I care about is whether or not it works. [02:11] <PurpleMotion> so take your holy war elsewhere :) [02:11] <PurpleMotion> !start a wm war [02:11] <ubotu> fluxbox decimates gnome [02:12] <PieD> you can't support them without win32codecs [02:12] <PieD> so you can't support them builtin [02:12] <PurpleMotion> w32codecs [02:12] <PurpleMotion> and as long as the player looks for those codecs we dont have a problem [02:12] <PieD> PurpleMotion: they was called win32codecs (I don't remember where and when) [02:13] <PieD> and is it legal to use them ? [02:13] <PieD> I'm not sure [02:13] <PurpleMotion> do I care? [02:13] <PurpleMotion> nope [02:13] <nikkia> pied, there's actually little reason why they couldn't work on PPC Linux, via qemu [02:13] <PieD> you can't distribute an application if you don't know if it's legal ! [02:13] <nikkia> they wouldn't be fast, but then, the cpu required for decoding wma isn't huge anyway [02:14] <PurpleMotion> see thats the difference between us, you bother yourself with trivial legalities that will NEVER come into play fromy our own PERSONAL use. I don't [02:14] <PieD> nikkia: do you call that a solution ? [02:14] <PieD> if yes, then I can say all windows apps run on linux [02:14] <PurpleMotion> PieD: so leave the systemt he way it is. allow for codecs as plugins [02:14] <nikkia> pied, its more of a solution than running around shouting 'they should be banned!' is, when the latter will acomplish nothing, because commercial radio stations will just ignore you and continue to stream .wma [02:14] <PieD> I suppose that's why so much people use MSN : they don't care about licenses [02:14] <PurpleMotion> LOTS of windows apps run BETTER on linux than they do on windows [02:15] <PieD> commercial radio sends shit here, in France [02:15] <PieD> and online music "shops" doesn't have any music I like nor firefox support [02:17] <PurpleMotion> nikkia: if you wrote such an app... multifaceted, even, it would surely replace amaroK and definately make it into the next release of KDE.. you could even piss off the amaroK author by naming it Kamaro ;) [02:17] <PieD> PurpleMotion: KDE cares about legal issues [02:18] <mornfall> PurpleMotion: heh? [02:19] <PurpleMotion> PieD: oh gods would you stuff it already. Amarok is COMPLETELY capable of playing EVERY restricted format that anything else is capable of. Besides we're not talking about a player, we're talking about a media manager that EMBEDS the necessary players - EXACTLY as amaroK does, just the author of amaroK was too lazy to write in support for any formats other than mp3 and ogg in the collection... [02:19] <PurpleMotion> amaroK doesnt PLAY anything [02:20] <PurpleMotion> it uses a backend [02:20] <PurpleMotion> afaik [02:20] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: correct [02:20] <PieD> you spoke about builltin support of wma [02:20] <PurpleMotion> i meant the media manager [02:20] <PurpleMotion> sorry to not have clarified [02:20] <PurpleMotion> for example [02:20] <PurpleMotion> mplayer plays wma with w32codecs installed [02:21] <PurpleMotion> so does xine [02:21] <PurpleMotion> so does gstreamer [02:21] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: libavcodec can handle some of the wmas too [02:21] <nikkia> (aka ffmpeg) [02:21] <PurpleMotion> you're in bed with ffmpeg, aren't you ;) [02:22] <PurpleMotion> this app would simply list and organize my wma/wmv files and play them using whatever was appropriate [02:22] <PurpleMotion> but it would embed the player [02:22] <PurpleMotion> one set of controls for everything [02:22] <jbasilio> anyone know how to, by default, start multiple X sessions? [02:23] <PurpleMotion> nikkia: thats all fine and good, but under no circumstances should compatibility be comprimised... [02:24] <PurpleMotion> if it plays 'some' wma but not all, there should be a failsafe to check other apps for compatibility before giving up on the format [02:24] <PurpleMotion> that make sense? [02:24] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: you'd probably want a way to set the backend per catalog item [02:24] <CyberMad> damn,.. how to make my vncviewer works with my keyboard too? [02:25] <CyberMad> i use Real VNC [02:25] <CyberMad> and just support mouse :( [02:25] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: as WMA7 might play better via libavcodec than via w32codecs, for example [02:25] <PurpleMotion> see, people, Multimedia is my bread and butter. I'm a ginormous media buff. I have every movie within 48 hours of its theatre release, i have every cd on release day, and every xbox game usually a week before it releases [02:25] <PurpleMotion> nikkia: right on [02:26] <PurpleMotion> I have terabytes dedicated to movies spanning the past ten years [02:26] <CyberMad> i already choose "Accept keyboard events from clients" in Real VNC Server Properties (User-Mode) [02:26] <CyberMad> but looks like only accept input from mouse :( [02:26] <PurpleMotion> vnc can be fickle [02:27] <PurpleMotion> use rdp :) [02:27] <CyberMad> rdp must be log off the system :( [02:27] <PurpleMotion> i thought there was a setting for that [02:27] <PurpleMotion> anyways [02:27] <CyberMad> because the windows still running for processing [02:28] <PurpleMotion> i gotta hit the sack [02:28] <CyberMad> yes... i already did [02:28] <PurpleMotion> later people [02:28] <CyberMad> i already choose "Accept keyboard events from clients" in Real VNC Server Properties (User-Mode) [02:28] <pl_ice_> anyone uses mesg ? between to linux boxes/ [02:28] <pl_ice_> ?/ [02:28] <PurpleMotion> nikkia, it's been a pleasure as always (well, except when you're 'critiquing' my desktop :P~ ) [02:28] <CyberMad> pl_ice_ Qnext [02:28] <CyberMad> but it's slow [02:29] <PurpleMotion> but thats gotten better too ;) [02:29] <CyberMad> it's support multiplatform [02:29] <PurpleMotion> PieD: much fun fighting with you [02:29] <PurpleMotion> everyone else, cheerio [02:29] <nikkia> see ya later PM [02:29] <PieD> PurpleMotion: I prefer having fun with my python bot [02:29] <PieD> adding useless (so obligatory) features [02:29] <PurpleMotion> !start a distro war [02:29] <ubotu> debian rules over redhat [02:30] <PieD> that's what amaroK has and you'll need a lot of time to have it in another player [02:30] <PieD> (lyrics, wiki, cover manager...) [02:30] <pl_ice_> CyberMad , is that a program? or .. ? explain pls [02:30] <PurpleMotion> none of those are really difficult [02:30] <CyberMad> program [02:30] <nikkia> pied, i imagine about 10 people care about wiki support in a media player/manager [02:30] <PurpleMotion> pull covers from cddb these days [02:30] <CyberMad> google it [02:30] <PurpleMotion> use the same method wmp uses to pull covers [02:30] <PieD> nikkia: no, I really like that support [02:30] <pl_ice_> oki [02:31] <nikkia> pied, as for covers, its not exceptionally hard, i've written such things before [02:31] <PieD> I learn things about the artists I'm listening to [02:31] <nikkia> pied, great, we just need to find the other 9 people then :P [02:31] <PurpleMotion> AHH! I'm not getting sucked back into this... [02:31] <CyberMad> vncviewer -fullscreen 192.168.1.1 <- i already use that to get connected to my windows box [02:31] <CyberMad> is that anything more? [02:31] <PurpleMotion> I promised my childrens I would take them to their friends today and I aim to do so before dark! [02:31] <CyberMad> so i can input from keyboard [02:32] <PurpleMotion> (I like to install vnc on ppls computers when theyre not paying attentiont hen fuck with them while they're trying to work) [02:32] <PurpleMotion> yes, i have way too much free time [02:34] <CyberMad> lol [02:34] <CyberMad> can u input keyboard? [02:38] <CyberMad> can u input character from keyboard? [02:39] <CyberMad> i mean from linux to windows use VNC [02:41] <Bjerrk> Hi! How long does Kubuntu take to boot? (My brother's getting a new HDD for his birthday, and i'm gonna surprise him by putting Linux on it :). I just happens that he wants a fast booting OS). [02:42] <jpatrick> I takes 2 minutes on my brothers and sister's computer [02:42] <jpatrick> It* [02:43] <CyberMad> depends on processor [02:43] <CyberMad> memory, etc [02:43] <Bjerrk> what about on a 2.4 ghz intel p4, with 512 mb's of ram? :) [02:44] <jpatrick> My bro's computer has PII and 256MB RAM [02:44] <jpatrick> Bjerrk: that's fast [02:44] <CyberMad> takes 1 mins [02:44] <Bjerrk> nice :)... i've heard that Kubuntu is fast at booting... [02:44] <CyberMad> to thw login page [02:44] <Bjerrk> Is Yoper faster? [02:44] <jpatrick> It is [02:44] <jpatrick> Yoper, eww [02:45] <CyberMad> quite faster than redhat [02:45] <CyberMad> it depends on what package in other distro you installed and choose as start up service [02:45] <Bjerrk> jpatrick: maybe yoper is eww, but ATM he's using windowsxp home [02:46] <Bjerrk> I find this "my distro is better that your distro"-thing extremely ridiculous. We're all using Linux FFS :D [02:46] <jpatrick> :P [02:46] <jpatrick> :D [02:47] <CyberMad> every distro have own advantages [02:47] <PieD> Bjerrk: so every distro sucks since the linux kernel sucks when it's compared with hurd :p [02:47] <roguejedix_> Do I smell BSD coming? [02:47] <PieD> BSD is horrible [02:47] <Bjerrk> PieD: NO! Every distro rocks! :D [02:47] <PieD> I can't install it on my computer [02:48] <PieD> Bjerrk: even mine ? [02:48] <Bjerrk> PieD: i wouldn't know... [02:48] <CyberMad> do you know any better Yahoo! Messenger client than kopete, because in Kopete i don't which person that "on SMS" or not -_- [02:49] <roguejedix_> Try gaim [02:49] <CyberMad> please help me... does gaim better than kopete? [02:50] <CyberMad> or do you know anything better? [02:50] <jpatrick> Gaim's MetaContact feature is horrible [02:50] <CyberMad> this is my online internet messenger [02:50] <roguejedix_> Sorry, I don't really understand what you're after [02:50] <CyberMad> and i need the best software of it [02:52] <CyberMad> every time i send message to my friends.. and i don't that he on SMS, not online :( [02:52] <CyberMad> every time i send message to my friends.. and i don't know that he on SMS, not online :( [02:56] <roguejedix_> Like I said, try gaim. If that doesn't work for you, I'm out of ideas, really [02:56] <roguejedix_> Though Kopete works just fine for me [02:57] <CyberMad> where can i get gaim? from sourceforge or just simple from aptitude / apt-get ? [02:58] <milksteak> apt-get [02:58] <CyberMad> ok thanks [02:58] <milksteak> gaim's rather nice [02:59] <Xk2c> hello [02:59] <roguejedix_> aptitude / apt-get [02:59] <milksteak> I've never really liked kopete much [02:59] <milksteak> bleh [02:59] <milksteak> this is getting annoying [03:00] <milksteak> vmware refuses to install [03:00] <CyberMad> why do you use vmware? [03:00] <CyberMad> for windows OS? [03:00] <roguejedix_> milksteak: Really? I've installed it just fine. My problem was it wouldn't stay installed [03:01] <milksteak> heh [03:01] <milksteak> well using the .tar.gz, I'll run vmware-install.pl [03:02] <milksteak> and it keeps failing to copy services.sh to where ever it goes [03:02] <milksteak> just then I got the .rpm [03:02] <milksteak> used alien on it [03:02] <milksteak> installed [03:02] <milksteak> then when I go to run [03:02] <milksteak> I get [03:02] <milksteak> /usr/bin/vmware: line 85: /etc/vmware/locations: No such file or directory [03:02] <milksteak> /usr/bin/vmware: line 183: /lib/wrapper-gtk24.sh: No such file or directory [03:02] <milksteak> /usr/bin/vmware: line 183: exec: /lib/wrapper-gtk24.sh: cannot execute: No such file or directory [03:02] <ralph1> Hi all: Is there a problem with the repositories? I tryed to do a apt-get update, but a lot of the repositories look like they are down. [03:03] <milksteak> ralph1, mine are working fine [03:04] <Xk2c> ralph1, yesterday I had Probs with the Backports Server [03:05] <ralph1> milksteak: mine are not looks like mostly backport repositories but there are othlers also timeing out [03:05] <Xk2c> ralph1, after changing this mirrow all worked fine again [03:06] <Xk2c> ralph1, now i use: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [03:07] <Bjerrk> is it possible to Install Kubuntu on PATA disks? [03:07] <ralph1> Xk2c: were you using the planetmirrow.com site [03:08] <Xk2c> ralph1, yes I think so [03:08] <Bjerrk> And if so... What's the procedure? [03:08] <Xk2c> ralph1, can't remeber exactly, cause i erased it allready from sourses.lis [03:08] <Xk2c> t [03:08] <ralph1> Xk2c: Let me change that and see how it goes than. [03:08] <Xk2c> ralph1, ;) [03:11] <martin-> nee some help: I installed a debian package (openmsx). When installing i got some reports about a different libc6 version. I chose to ignore that error and the program works fine. However, when i want to use synaptic package manager he complains about broken packages and with every action wants to remove that packages. Can i somehow let synaptic ignore broken packages? [03:13] <tribe``> yo, anyone knows if i can install a kubuntu live-cd? [03:13] <Xk2c> tribe``, afaik no [03:13] <Xk2c> tribe``, there is an install CD too [03:13] <ralph1> Xk2c: Getting rid of the planetmirrow repositories got rid of my problem. Thanks very much. Now it is onto trying to delete openoffice 1.1.3 which seems to want to take kubuntu-desktop with it. [03:14] <Xk2c> ralph1, :D [03:14] <Xk2c> Now it is onto trying to delete openoffice 1.1.3 which seems?? ralph1 why? [03:14] <Xk2c> ralph1, i had not this [03:17] <ralph1> Xk2c: every time I have used synaptic, kynapic to try and remove openoffice to indicates that it wants to also remove kunbuntu-desktop. Some one on the channel stated that they had the same problem everytime they try to delete something it wants to delete kunbutu-desktop also. [03:18] <tribe``> ok thx Xk2c, just didnt wan't to download a 600MB file again =p [03:18] <Xk2c> tribe``, ;) [03:19] <Xk2c> ralph1, seems to me, that Ooffice is an dependency from kunbuntu-desktop [03:19] <jpatrick> it is [03:19] <jpatrick> I hate that [03:19] <Xk2c> ralph1, this means u can't remove Oofiice without kunbuntu-desktop [03:19] <jpatrick> then remove Kubuntu-desktop [03:19] <Xk2c> s/Oofiice/Ooffice [03:20] <Xk2c> jpatrick, ;P [03:20] <nikkia> lol @ NHL 2k5 [03:21] <nikkia> two amazing goals within a minute, one passed to a player then shot between his legs behind him, another where it bounced off the goalies' shoulder into the net [03:22] <ralph1> Xk2c: what I was planning to do was go to termianl apt-get remove openoffice, then restore/reinstall kunbutu-desktop then install the openoffice2 package I have created from the script on the forum. [03:24] <Xk2c> ralph1, the only possibilty to accomplish this I konw is: dpkg --get-selections | grep 'install$' | awk '{print $1}' > list.txt [03:24] <Xk2c> ralph1, then aptitude reinstall $(cat list.txt) [03:24] <Xk2c> ralph1, but this will reinstall EVERYTHING [03:24] <Xk2c> ! [03:24] <ubotu> Xk2c: I haven't a clue [03:25] <ralph1> Xk2c: But now I am not sure that is wise. [03:25] <Xk2c> ralph1, try to instal first openoffice2, then rmove openoffice [03:26] <Xk2c> ralph1, have i got u right u like to replace openoffice with openoffice2? [03:27] <Xk2c> ralph1 Xk2c: But now I am not sure that is wise. >> It will overright all the changes u made in /etc [03:27] <Xk2c> ralph1, ao shuold make a backup BEFOR!!! [03:27] <Xk2c> s/ao/so [03:27] <ralph1> Xk2c: The fourm script that created the openoffice 1.9.122.deb stated that openoffice had to be removed before openoffice2 could be installed. [03:28] <Xk2c> ralph1, ic [03:28] <Xk2c> ralph1, the link to this article?? [03:28] <ralph1> Xk2c: one minute let me look it up [03:28] <Xk2c> ralph1, ;) sure, no prob [03:35] <sixfeet> nicht da [03:35] <sixfeet> <empty clipboard> [03:39] <ralph1> Xk2c: Here is the link http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30866&highlight=openoffice the script is on the last page. I have already created the deb but need to remove openoffice 1 before installing it [03:39] <Xk2c> ralph1, ic, will read [03:42] <ralph1> Xk2c: oops the script I used is on page 24 of the thread, looks like someone updated the script on the last page [03:42] <Xk2c> ralph1, ic [03:44] <Bags> Hi room. [03:45] <Bags> You've got a noob here with a couple of PPC machines with Kubuntu [03:45] <Bags> I can't log into a folder share on the Kubuntu machines with a winXP machine. Any thoughts? [03:46] <Xk2c> ralph1, there are also deb's fpr Oo2 in repos [03:46] <Xk2c> s/fpr/for [03:47] <Xk2c> ralph1, Oo2 1.9.79.2 [03:47] <Xk2c> ralph1, why not use this? [03:48] <Bags> Both machines are appearing in the right windows domain and I can log into each other Kubuntu machine with the other. [03:48] <Bags> I don't think I'm entering the right username and password, but I'm not sure I've set up the permissions and user accounts right... [03:50] <ralph1> Xk2c: was trying to get a newer build I know ubuntu breezy has 1.9.121 [03:50] <d> I'm currently running Kubuntu Hoary w/ KDE 3.4.2. If I upgrade the kernel, will a 'Suspend to disk' option appear under the KDE shutdown menu? What kernel version do I need? [03:51] <Xk2c> ralph1, seems I'm one of this lonly hoary stable users ;P [03:53] <Xk2c> ralph1, seems i found that script [03:53] <ralph1> Xk2c: That is what I am running, but I have just installed ubuntu breezy on to my test partition. It is impressive, but not KDE. Have not played with it enough yet to see if I can get kubuntu-desktop installed on it [03:54] <Xk2c> ralph1, sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop [03:55] <Xk2c> ralph1, but ther is a gcc transition right on the way [03:55] <d> Do I need to upgrade to breezy of can I just update the kernel to get suspend to disk? [03:55] <Xk2c> ralph1, be careful with this, cause kde depends much on this [03:55] <ralph1> Xk2c: I think so [03:57] <Xk2c> ralph1, ok our prob is: Oo1 is installed and is an dependcy of kubuntu-desktop, Oo2 can't be installed at the same time, right? [03:58] <ralph1> Xk2c: I think for now I am going to play it safe and see if the 1.9.79 will install and work with my files that were created with a newer build [03:58] <ralph1> Xk2c: yes that is the problem [03:58] <Xk2c> ralph1, in breezy repos should be newer version [03:58] <Xk2c> ralph1, 1.9.79 is hoary [03:59] <ralph1> Xk2c: that is right [03:59] <ralph1> Xk2c: breezy has version 1.9.121 [03:59] <Xk2c> ralph1, is there a equivalent of emerge --inject in Ubuntu (from Gentoo) [03:59] <Xk2c> ? [04:00] <ralph1> Xk2c: no idea [04:00] <Xk2c> ralph1, wouldn't that help [04:00] <Xk2c> ? [04:00] <Xk2c> isn't that the newest version? [04:01] <Xk2c> hmm [04:01] <ralph1> Xk2c: 1.9.122 or 1.9.123 is the latest if memory serves me right, but 1.9.121 is good enough for me. [04:02] <ralph1> Xk2c: maybe the easiest way is for me to boot breezy and pull the files I need to work on from hoary and just be done with it. [04:03] <Xk2c> ralph1, Maybe I'm wrong but this will probably not work [04:04] <Xk2c> ralph1, u can't use packages from breezy in hoary [04:04] <ralph1> Xk2c: ? [04:05] <Xk2c> ralph1, understand u right: You will download the breezy packages and install it in hoary? [04:05] <ralph1> Xk2c: No I was think of booting up my breezy install and move the openoffice files I need to work on from my hoary partition to my breezy partition [04:05] <Xk2c> ralph1, ahhhh ic [04:05] <Xk2c> ralph1, jap [04:06] <Xk2c> ralph1, but remeber breezy _IS_ testing [04:06] <Xk2c> defently [04:07] <ralph1> Xk2c: I know but for me on this hardware it seems more stable than my kubuntu hoary install. [04:07] <Xk2c> ralph1, ;D [04:07] <Xk2c> ic [04:07] <Xk2c> ralph1, which means Ubuntu Breezy Team made a good job!! [04:07] <Xk2c> ;) [04:08] <Xk2c> ralph1, and do not dist-upgrade [04:08] <ralph1> Xk2c: was when I first installed it. Took me days of reading the forums, asking questions and problly over a week of work to get were it worked like it should. [04:08] <Xk2c> ralph1, gcc transition! [04:09] <Xk2c> ralph1, Ubuntu was for the one distro that were customized the most I liked, than any other else [04:10] <Xk2c> ralph1, Ubuntu rocks [04:10] <Xk2c> ;) [04:11] <Xk2c> ralph1, good luck :) [04:11] <ralph1> Xk2c: For now I just plan of moveing the one or two files I need to work with. And then play. I like my hoary Kubuntu install, and not too sure I want to upgrade as soon as Kubuntu Breezy comes out. [04:11] <Xk2c> ralph1, ic [04:11] <ralph1> Xk2c: Think I will waite a while before I break this install. [04:12] <Xk2c> ralph1, *lool* [04:12] <Xk2c> ralph1, jap [04:12] <Xk2c> ralph1, me2 [04:12] <Xk2c> ralph1, 4weeks or so... [04:12] <Xk2c> ;P [04:12] <Xk2c> and then.... [04:13] <ralph1> Xk2c: Outside of some packages I would like to have updated this is my sweet spot. [04:13] <Xk2c> ralph1, right now i have the frist Linux installation, that is just right the way i would like to have [04:13] <Xk2c> ralph1, and i tried aaaa lot of distros [04:13] <eazel7> do you think it is possible to create a graphical qt frontend for the kubuntu installation as lycoris had? [04:14] <ralph1> Xk2c: And how knows maybe some one on the channel will make me backports of those [04:15] <Xk2c> ralph1, to make a distro is a full time job [04:15] <Xk2c> ralph1, i always want the latest version of this or that [04:16] <Xk2c> ralph1, but there is also stability and so.. [04:16] <ralph1> Xk2c: Me too I have tried them all and moved on frustrated with them all. The closest I came was Kanotix, but it tracks Debian testing too closely, a upgrade on the wrong day can destroy your system. [04:16] <Xk2c> ralph1, *lool* ohhhh yes [04:16] <Xk2c> ralph1, i know [04:16] <Xk2c> ralph1, tried a lot times [04:16] <Xk2c> ;) [04:17] <Xk2c> knoppix is great [04:17] <Xk2c> but only as live-System [04:18] <ralph1> Xk2c: me too I want stability, but also the latest KDE, Kmymoney2, OpenOffice and Gramps, the rest I do not care about so much [04:18] <Xk2c> ralph1, *loooool* [04:18] <Xk2c> ralph1, in my opinion Ubuntu does a great job on just right this... [04:18] <ralph1> Xk2c: This is the closest to meeting all my wants. [04:19] <penguinboy> hey hey hey [04:19] <Xk2c> ralph1, yeah ;) that's true [04:19] <penguinboy> how can I view files with the following extensions: wmv, avi, mpg, mpeg???? [04:20] <ralph1> Xk2c: And a kind soul on the channel was kind enough to backport some packages for me that I really needed and that has kept me here. [04:20] <Xk2c> ralph1, :) coool [04:20] <eazel7> penguinboy: look ubuntuguide.org ;) [04:20] <Xk2c> ralph1, the community rocks!!!! [04:20] <ralph1> Xk2c: Yes [04:20] <penguinboy> well sure...i was looking for the easy answer! haha [04:21] <Xk2c> ralph1, one for all,all for one [04:21] <Xk2c> ,) [04:22] <penguinboy> An error occurred while loading http://www.ubuntuguide.org: [04:22] <penguinboy> Unknown host www.ubuntuguide.org [04:22] <OculusAquilae> penguinboy: it works for me [04:22] <penguinboy> mm [04:22] <OculusAquilae> ralph1: it does [04:23] <OculusAquilae> penguinboy: perhaps http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html helps you [04:24] <Xk2c> ralph1, ;) [04:24] <Xk2c> ralph1, i have installed them both [04:24] <Xk2c> ralph1, i use the programms just i like, right away [04:24] <Xk2c> ralph1, doesn't matter to me if kde or gnome [04:25] <Xk2c> ralph1, they all work great together (only sidenode kde progs need a bitt longer to load in gnome) [04:26] <Xk2c> http://liberta.frequence3.net:19000/frequence3.ogg rocks ;) [04:26] <ralph1> Xk2c: I prefer KDE Programs, but when a Gnome one is superiour, Or a KDE one does not exist for it I use gnome. Just do not like the gnome desktop stuff [04:27] <Xk2c> ralph1, ic [04:27] <Xk2c> ralph1, was the same for me befor Ubuntu [04:27] <Xk2c> ralph1, but since Ubuntu i started to really like gnome [04:28] <Xk2c> ralph1, not the the standard ganome [04:28] <Xk2c> ralph1, but the customized version from Ubuntu [04:28] <Bags> Ok. I've worked it out. [04:28] <apokryphos> Xk2c: is it that customized? Seems fairly standard to me [04:28] <Bags> I need to manually make a sambapasswd file and populate it. [04:28] <Xk2c> ralph1, everything worked for me out of the box [04:29] <Xk2c> ralph1, usb sound [04:29] <CyberMad> do you where to find debian package? i want to search "cbrpager" [04:29] <Xk2c> ralph1, everything [04:29] <Bags> Strange that they give you such a beautiful GUI and then make you use the shell to enable it's functions... [04:29] <ralph1> Xk2c: Perhaps that will happen with me also. After having seen Ubuntu breezy, I am thinking when the time comes. I will update to Ubuntu Breezy and then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [04:30] <Xk2c> ralph1, *lool* [04:30] <Xk2c> ralph1, feel free [04:30] <Xk2c> ;) [04:30] <apokryphos> ralph1: the time is now ;-) [04:30] <Xk2c> may the force be with u ;D [04:30] <Xk2c> *lool* [04:31] <ralph1> Xk2c: For me everthing in Ubuntu Breezy works out of the box, but my Kubuntu Hoary to alot of work to get to the same point. [04:31] <CyberMad> how to get these files? [04:31] <CyberMad> checking for g++... no [04:31] <CyberMad> checking for c++... no [04:31] <CyberMad> checking for gpp... no [04:31] <CyberMad> etc [04:31] <apokryphos> sudo aptitude install build-essential [04:31] <CyberMad> thanks [04:32] <ralph1> Xk2c: some of the time was just learning about ubuntu and finding the knowledge I needed to get it all working. [04:33] <Xk2c> ralph1, understand [04:33] <Xk2c> ralph1, me2 [04:33] <ralph1> apokryphos: not so sure of the timeing, maybe by time colony 4 comes out I will not be able to resist [04:33] <Xk2c> ralph1, but it is worth the time [04:33] <apokryphos> Sure, up to you. It's actually fairly stable now, though. [04:34] <Xk2c> ralph1, for me Ubuntu-Gome is standard Deskop and I use some kde apps [04:34] <Xk2c> ralph1, never could life without konqueror ,) [04:34] <Xk2c> :P [04:35] <OculusAquilae> lol [04:35] <Bags> I quite like KDE. [04:35] <ralph1> apokryphos: From a brief play and install of ubuntu Breezy it does seem very stable, But I am mainly a KDE desktop man and I do not think it is ready in Breezy yet. [04:35] <Bags> I'm a noob, and found Gnome to be a little too foreign to me. [04:36] <apokryphos> ralph1: I am only a KDE desktop man, and kde 3.4.2 is in Breezy now as it is; works fairly fine, since it was only adjusted a little for Breezy [04:36] <Bags> The accessories in KDE are quite interesting... [04:36] <PieD> Bags: gnome fanatics says KDE isn't for noobs while gnome is because gnome has less options [04:36] <Bags> PieD: Is that right? [04:36] <PieD> they say that, but simplicity can be a matter of taste [04:36] <apokryphos> KDE has infinitely more features and better functionality, as far as I've seen. I really think the usability is better; plus the small fact that 99% of my apps are kde 8) [04:37] <PieD> is there a hope to see KDE 3.5 in kubuntu 5.10 ? [04:37] <ralph1> apokryphos: but what of gcc transition which is still on going [04:37] <_StarScream> PieD: odd how most enterprise distro's ship with KDE :) [04:37] <PieD> apokryphos: yes, off course :) [04:37] <apokryphos> PieD: they're thinking a beta might be in it, yes. [04:37] <PieD> here 100% of my apps are KDE one :) [04:37] <Xk2c> oh man what have i started ;p [04:37] <Bags> PieD: I found that KDE was quite an exciting UI. Fully featured. Plenty to muck with. Good fun too. [04:37] <PieD> apokryphos: :) [04:37] <jpatrick> 100% KDE here [04:37] <PieD> ouf [04:37] <Xk2c> *lool* [04:37] <PieD> (I don't know how to translate "ouf") [04:37] <apokryphos> PieD: only use Limewire and Gimp (on rare occassions); otherwise, pure kde. [04:38] <PieD> only use netbeans, otherwise pure KDE :) [04:38] <Bags> PieD: Gnome is really cool too, don't get me wrong... [04:38] <Xk2c> ralph1, really nice to meet u here [04:38] <apokryphos> Still, I can't help but thinking that "gnome's simplicity" is kind of a quasi-cop-out or just slang for "we don't have as many features"; like, a fashionable way of admitting they don't :| [04:38] <PieD> Bags: gnome hides a lot of things [04:38] <apokryphos> [/troll] 8) [04:38] <Xk2c> ralph1, interesting conversation [04:38] <Bags> PieD: Right. [04:38] <Bags> PieD: i wouldn't know. [04:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, except that they HAD the features, and took them out :O [04:39] <Bags> PieD: I'm running it on two machines here now. [04:39] <PieD> Bags: for instance, they're using more and more their registry-like tool : gconf [04:39] <CyberMad> damn... :( [04:39] <PieD> I think it's dangerous [04:39] <CyberMad> configure: error: Library requirements (libgnomeui-2.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. [04:39] <Xk2c> heeeeeeello people [04:39] <apokryphos> nikkia: heh; when? [04:39] <CyberMad> is that mean i can't compile the source? [04:39] <Xk2c> this IS NOT a FLAME WAR! [04:39] <PieD> CyberMad: apt-get install libgnomeui-2.0-devel ? [04:39] <Xk2c> kde is good [04:39] <PieD> (not sure for the name) [04:39] <Xk2c> gnome also [04:39] <CyberMad> kubuntu is KDE right? [04:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: the 'simplification' was all part of the migration from gnome 1.x to 2.x [04:39] <apokryphos> CyberMad: correct [04:40] <PieD> Xk2c: but KDE is god ? [04:40] <Bags> I've a G3 Powerbook that I"m typeing this on now, and a G4 PowerMac and it's never moved so quickly in it's life! [04:40] <Xk2c> PieD, see above [04:40] <CyberMad> then that's gnome.. is that possible? [04:40] <PieD> Xk2c: I'm kidding [04:40] <Xk2c> PieD, ;P [04:40] <apokryphos> nikkia: again, to me it just seems that making simplicity as a goal is a way of accepting that they just won't have as many features [04:40] <CyberMad> apt-get install libgnomeui-2.0-devel <- so how do i know the correct one? [04:40] <CyberMad> google? [04:40] <Bags> PieD: If I could get a Java plug to work in the web browser, I'd be a happy man. [04:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: i dunno, never understood the point in simplifying things [04:40] <PieD> Bags: under PPC ? [04:40] <ralph1> Xk2c: nice to have meet you also. What have we started here. [04:40] <Bags> PieD: Yep. [04:41] <Xk2c> ralph1, *LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL* [04:41] <Xk2c> ralph1, yes [04:41] <Xk2c> ;P [04:41] <Bags> PieD: I've downloaded and installed the IBM one, but I can't get it to dance. [04:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: i mean, i can understand a multi-tiered configuration tool, but removing configuration options/features just alienates people, like me [04:41] <apokryphos> nikkia: that's an error many make; they think many features means a necessary sacrifice for a user. Or that simplicity necessitates better usability [04:41] <_StarScream> Bags: yep, i've got a g3 800 ibook....kubuntu makes OSX look like mollasis [04:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: i *was* a gnome user prior to 2.0 [04:41] <PieD> Bags: I'm sorry I can't help you [04:41] <Bags> PieD: That's ok. [04:41] <Xk2c> ralph1, an avalanche ;P [04:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: then tier the configuration, its not a complicated concept, even most windows apps do that [04:42] <apokryphos> exactly =) [04:42] <CyberMad> E: Couldn't find package libgnomeui-2.0-devel [04:42] <CyberMad> too bad [04:42] <Bags> PieD: I'm getting my Silicon Graphics dual PIII machine back next week. I'll stick it on that and be done with it. The Macs go back to being boat anchors again... Sigh... [04:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: iirc, the other turn off for me for gnome 2.x was when they ditched sawfish for metacity [04:43] <ralph1> Xk2c: seems so, [04:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: i enjoyed sawfish, and being able to script your WM in lisp (? i think it was lisp) was a nice feature [04:43] <Xk2c> ralph1, ;D [04:43] <Bags> _StarScream: Did you ever get Java working? [04:43] <Xk2c> ralph1, keep on rocking [04:43] <Bags> _StarScream: On the G3? [04:43] <apokryphos> nikkia: what happened to sawfish? [04:43] <Xk2c> have a nice day u all [04:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: they decided it was too complex, iirc [04:43] <Xk2c> bye [04:43] <PieD> nikkia: what can you script in a WM ? [04:43] <ralph1> Xk2c: You too. [04:43] <nikkia> PieD: quite a lot [04:43] <Xk2c> ralph1, bye ralph1 [04:43] <apokryphos> heh [04:44] <ralph1> Xk2c: bye [04:44] <Xk2c> ralph1, happy to meet u [04:44] <Xk2c> ;) [04:44] <ralph1> Xk2c: me too [04:44] <PieD> give an example ! I don't see anything a script should modify in my KWin [04:44] <apokryphos> nikkia: still, it's interesting being on a distribution where kde is a minority, while kde is the majority in the Linux community. Makes an interesting combination. [04:44] <CyberMad> apt-get install libgnomeui-dev i guess this is the right one [04:44] <nikkia> pied, given your attitude today, i really CBA to put effort into it [04:44] <CyberMad> may i know how do i know the right package... where i have to check it/ [04:45] <PieD> and what does CBA means ? (I'm not english) [04:45] <Bags> _StarScream: Did you ever get Java working on your G3? [04:45] <Bags> Has anyone got Java working on a PPC machine? I mean, like, properly? [04:46] <umberleigh> hi. KInfoCenter tells me my soundcard is only available to root. how do i change that so i can actually use the thing? [04:46] <nikkia> bags, i did, once, i had to use the IBM java distro tho, iirc [04:46] <apokryphos> PieD: can't be arsed -- can't be bothered, I presume. [04:46] <umberleigh> ie. make it available to normal users [04:46] <nikkia> bag, iirc, the trick is to find the distro of java that IBM supply for their linux based POWER machines [04:47] <PieD> apokryphos: thanks [04:47] <Bags> nikkia: I'm trying that now, but being pretty green, I'm not having any luck with getting it to actually work as a plug in Konquest. [04:47] <hyperactivecrond> some 1 gimme an explanation of how kubuntu's kdesu works as opposed to other kdesu [04:48] <apokryphos> hyperactivecrond: it's configured to use sudo instead of su [04:48] <nikkia> bags, i can't remember if i ever tried getting it to work as a plugin, my G3/linux machine was a LAN server *shrug* [04:48] <hyperactivecrond> ah. [04:48] <apokryphos> hyperactivecrond: for opening GUI apps with root permissions, you should _always_ use it [04:49] <hyperactivecrond> yep [04:49] <umberleigh> erm.... wait. everything seems to be available only to root. okay... scratch that. when i login KDE tells me it can't find the audio device and defaults to /dev/null, also kmix defaults back to using my USB camera/mike instead of my nForce2 soundcard. [04:50] <Bags> nikkia: It's wierd... I feel like the PPC machines are in the twilight zone with Java... I would have thought that Java would be easy to port over to the PPC linux distros? [04:50] <Bags> nikkia: A bit of a shame. Everything else is just so peachy-keen! [04:50] <nikkia> bags, who's going to do it? IBM is the only company with a vested interest, and they don't really sell linux desktop machines [04:51] <nikkia> bags, i think blackdown's java works on PPC, but i've never had anything close to success with their java anyway [04:51] <hyperactivecrond> apokryphos: is it possible to configure kdesu to use sudo as opposed to su on other distros running kde 3.4.x? [04:51] <Bags> nikkia: Ahh, but this is the feel-good world of linux where everything is lovely and free and wonderfully hippy-like... ;-) [04:52] <nikkia> bags, server-side, yes, IBM has an interest in making sure their java runs on PPC, and they have, from what i've experienced, but desktop (plugin) is a different matter [04:52] <Bags> nikkia: Cool. Ok. I'll keep my eyes peeled for something that works. [04:53] <apokryphos> hyperactivecrond: yes, you can get the kubuntu patch and recompile [04:53] <Bags> nikkia: In the meantime, I'll just put OSX on linux on my machine and put Tiger on there and use that when needed... Slow, but there... [04:53] <hyperactivecrond> so it's not built into kde apokryphos ? [04:53] <apokryphos> hyperactivecrond: there's a link to it on bugs.kde.org; also digged somewhere on the kubuntu.org site... [04:54] <apokryphos> hyperactivecrond: on kubuntu -- it is indeed. Not on other distros though, obviously [04:54] <hyperactivecrond> somewhere i read on kde.org that it's a new feature of kdesu for 3.4.x [04:56] <apokryphos> hyperactivecrond: no, it won't be like that by default in KDE, for sure; unless it's an option [04:56] <hyperactivecrond> k [04:56] <apokryphos> it will always be default in Kubuntu, though, most probably [04:56] <apokryphos> in Kubuntu kde packs, that is. [05:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: i wonder if i can convince my boss to buy me that P4D barebones kit i want to upgrade my PC :) [05:03] <apokryphos> nikkia: without a doubt :P [05:04] <apokryphos> nikkia: what exactly is it? [05:04] <nikkia> apokryphos: a 3.0GHz P4D, 512MB of ram, motherboard, and case [05:04] <apokryphos> oh, I see. Heh. [05:04] <EasterSunshine> my clock at the corner of the screen is displaying "new york" wheras before, it would display the date. i think i know what timezone i am in, but i can't find the setting to not show it [05:05] <apokryphos> nikkia: when are those other two arriving? [05:05] <apokryphos> EasterSunshine: set it to local timezone [05:05] <nikkia> EasterSunshine: right click, select 'show timezone' select 'local timezone' [05:05] <nikkia> apokryphos: no idea, hopefully next week, if he was telling the truth about ordering them [05:05] <EasterSunshine> nikki, apokryphos: thx, that worked [05:05] <nikkia> EasterSunshine: np [05:07] <apokryphos> For anyone travelling, the respective "Lonely Planet" books are excellent to get. Perfect. :D [05:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: i usually use stephen king books for plane rides [05:08] <nikkia> but thats cos i can't normally sleep on planes [05:09] <apokryphos> nikkia: hehe, no, those are for telling you about a city/region/country. A "travel guide" type book [05:09] <apokryphos> hundreds of different ones. Got the one for Barcelona today; learning a lot. [05:09] <nikkia> apokryphos: ah [05:10] <apokryphos> learning about the foods and stuff so we don't ned up ordering fish and a burger :/ [05:11] <apokryphos> Though, I'm sure Wikipedia would've given some good info. This has a lot more info though, at least. [05:12] <apokryphos> I reckon Debian will still be packaging 3.4 when 3.5 is out :| [05:14] <nikkia> gah, editing this artwork is slow work [05:28] <apokryphos> heh, almost forgot that breezy abandoned kcontrol. I've been still using it [05:29] <pointwood> what is replacing it? [05:30] <apokryphos> pointwood: another system settings tool [05:30] <pointwood> k [05:30] <apokryphos> I'll screeny :) [05:30] <pointwood> why? [05:30] <pointwood> cool [05:32] <apokryphos> pointwood: http://youmortals.com/systemsettings.png [05:32] <pointwood> that looks neat [05:32] <apokryphos> pointwood: because kcontrol is actually really bad; tree-view isn't perfect; many innovations for it planned in kde 4 [05:32] <apokryphos> some want to trash it altogether, actually. :/ [05:33] <pointwood> yeah, read that [05:33] <pointwood> and it is true, it is a mess [05:33] <apokryphos> actually prefer this system settings; much cleaner; more easily accessible [05:33] <pointwood> it certainly looks like it from that screenshot :) [05:34] <pointwood> all the talk that's been about kde4, it sounds like it's going to really, really rock [05:34] <apokryphos> Indeed :). It's gonna take some time, but things are looking really hopeful [05:37] <pointwood> apokryphos: you know alot about multimedia? I got a couple of problems: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57881 [05:38] <apokryphos> I don't unfortunately. Just seems like amaroK is hogging the sound server there, so mplayer can't use it. Not sure actually for what mplayer uses as its sound output [05:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: by default, oss [05:39] <apokryphos> you could either setup dmix, or change your sound engine for amaroK [05:39] <nikkia> you can use the -ao option to change it tho [05:39] <pointwood> it seems to use alsa [05:39] <pointwood> mplayer that is [05:39] <apokryphos> pointwood: nikkia here is the expert =) [05:40] <pointwood> cool :) [05:42] <pointwood> well, kaffeine uses xine IIRC, amaroK uses arts and mplayer uses alsa [05:42] <pointwood> I'm confused about all those different engines... [05:45] <nikkia> pointwood: only xine is an engine, of those [05:45] <pointwood> okay [05:45] <nikkia> alsa is the sound drivers, arts is kde's sound server, and xine is a playback engine [05:45] <nikkia> the distinction is important, because each level up you go, you get a few more options for audio output methods [05:46] <nikkia> for example, usually, arts is configured to output via alsa, xine can be configured to output to alsa, or to arts [05:46] <pointwood> I can see that in kaffeine in the xine config, audio is set to auto [05:46] <nikkia> now, ideally, as a KDE user, you'd configure everything to go to arts, and arts to go to alsa [05:46] <pointwood> k [05:46] <nikkia> while that works, and tends to work great, it has the drawback that arts introduces some audio latency [05:47] <pointwood> oh [05:47] <nikkia> with xine, you can work around this, you take the value listed as the latency in kcontrol, and feed that number into xine's video/audio sync offset, and it'll play the audio that many mS earlier than the video [05:48] <pointwood> okay, so it is actually a problem when you want to play a video clip? [05:48] <nikkia> the latency? yes, it means that the audio will lag behind the video by that amount of time [05:48] <nikkia> arts uses fairly large buffers by default, and i think the default latency is somewhere around 1/10th of a second, very noticable [05:50] <pointwood> sound buffer: 232 milliseconds [05:50] <nikkia> yeah, that's nearly 1/4 of a second [05:50] <pointwood> okay then, what do you then recommend I do to get as optimal a setup as possible? [05:50] <nikkia> so, if you configure xine to use arts, and don't change the arts buffers (bigger buffers == smoother playback, but at the price of latency), then you'll want to tell xine to offset its audio by -232mS [05:51] <nikkia> pointwood: really, its very much trial and error, you COULD just tell xine to play by arts, and offset its audio by -232mS, and it'll work, and fairly well, i imagine, those are nice big buffers, so you shouldn't get too many audio artifacts [05:52] <nikkia> pointwood: you will pay the price by a slight pause when you seek a video to some random position, while it starts the audio and fills the buffer, but personally, i consider seeking to random positions in video files so non-routine that its a reasonable price to pay [05:52] <pointwood> yeah [05:53] <nikkia> as i said, its trial and error, and depends a lot on your system and what you plan to do, really, you COULD lower art's buffers, but on a slower PC or a PC with a less than great soundchip, that might introduce artifacts [05:53] <nikkia> and really, unless you need low-latency audio from arts, there's not much point [05:54] <pointwood> well, kaffeine has worked resonable well, haven't noticed any artifacts [05:54] <pointwood> the big problem is really with mplayer [05:54] <nikkia> my setup is a little different... i have alsa<-jack [05:54] <nikkia> then on top of jack, i have my media players, and arts, but since xine can't play to jack properly, xine goes via arts, with a sync offset matching the combined arts + jack latency [05:55] <nikkia> (effectively, just art's latency, because jack is set to be very low latency (< 4mS) [05:55] <pointwood> and the fact that it doesn't work when amaroK is started [05:55] <nikkia> pointwood: again, you can configure mplayer to play via arts [05:55] <pointwood> trying that now :) [05:55] <nikkia> i believe the output driver option is '-ao artsc' for mplayer [05:55] <nikkia> and again, you'll want to configure a sync offset to compensate for arts, but i can't remember the command line for that (don't have mplayer installed atm), it should be in the man page [05:56] <pointwood> k [05:56] <nikkia> once you've found out the command line option, put that, and -ao artsc in ~/.mplayer/config [05:56] <_StarScream> is breezy useable yet? [05:56] <nikkia> the format is simple, a command line pair per line, so -ao artsc on one line, and the sync compensation option on another [05:56] <jpatrick> a bit [05:57] <nikkia> personally, i like to put in a resize option using -xy in there too [05:57] <nikkia> so that mplayer always scales up smaller videos to that size [05:57] <jpatrick> i can't use it :( [05:57] <_StarScream> jpatrick: how much is broken ? [05:57] <jpatrick> I dunno :-/ [05:57] <_StarScream> k [05:58] <jpatrick> I can't use it because it's kernel doesn't see my wifi card [05:58] <pointwood> could it be -autosync <factor> [05:58] <pointwood> "Gradually adjusts the A/V sync based on audio delay measurements. " [05:58] <_StarScream> jpatrick: you can't re-compile it to have the module you require? [05:59] <jpatrick> YEah [05:59] <nikkia> pointwood: i'd be a little weary of the 'factor' in there, you really want something with an absolute time parameter [05:59] <nikkia> since you KNOW your offset is -232mS [05:59] <jpatrick> but it takes 7 hours for me to compile a kernel [05:59] <nikkia> (well, -232mS assuming audio is the track you're controlling, if you're adjusting the video offset, its obviously going to be +232mS :) [06:00] <jpatrick> :) [06:00] <nikkia> i don't remember it even taking that long when i was on a 386-40 :) [06:00] <pointwood> ahhh: -delay <sec> [06:00] <pointwood> Audio delay in seconds (positive or negative float value). [06:00] <nikkia> pointwood: that's the one [06:00] <nikkia> pointwood: since its in seconds, you want -0.232 [06:01] <jpatrick> Last time I compiled a kernel I got kernel panic :/ [06:01] <nikkia> jpatrick: thats because it needs a FPU :P [06:01] <antrix> hi.. need some help configuring network on imac [06:02] <antrix> lspci doesn't list any network cards [06:02] <antrix> how do i 'dpkg-reconfigure' the network.. like from the install stage [06:02] <jpatrick> FPU? [06:03] <nikkia> antrix: its probably easier to just edit /etc/network/interfaces [06:03] <pointwood> hrm [06:03] <nikkia> antrix: if its not detecting the network card though, i'm not sure what you can do [06:03] <pointwood> Option -delay needs a parameter at line 2 [06:03] <pointwood> Option -ao needs a parameter at line 3 [06:03] <antrix> nikkia, i don't know what card this machine has [06:03] <pointwood> I have: [06:03] <pointwood> -delay -0.232 [06:03] <pointwood> -ao artsc [06:03] <nikkia> pointwood: try taking off the - from the start of each line [06:04] <nikkia> i seem to remember mplayer assumes the option qualifier (-) when reading config [06:04] <pointwood> already tried [06:04] <pointwood> no change [06:04] <tenco> hi all [06:04] <nikkia> ah [06:04] <_stef> hi [06:04] <nikkia> pointwood: sorry, try 'delay=-0.232' and 'ao=artsc' [06:05] <nikkia> mplayer's config wasn't as simple as i remembered :/ [06:05] <pointwood> I think I found it [06:05] <antrix> what r u trying pointwood? [06:05] <tenco> how can i add a trashcan to the desktop? i tried new->link-to-url and selected trash:/ but the icon doesnt change when i throw sth in the trashcan [06:05] <_stef> hello tenco: are you located in germany? your address seems from t-online. [06:06] <tenco> _stef: yes [06:06] <nikkia> tenco, there should be a trash.desktop file in ~/Desktop [06:06] <_stef> aha und wo kommst du her? [06:06] <pointwood> antrix: getting mplayer to work while amarok is loaded [06:06] <pointwood> but nikkia is great help [06:06] <antrix> amarok working on arts backend or gstreamer backend? [06:06] <pointwood> arts [06:06] <pointwood> hrm [06:06] <nikkia> tenco, edit that file, and change 'Hidden=true' to 'Hidden=false' [06:07] <pointwood> mplayer gives me: Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. [06:07] <nikkia> pointwood: strange [06:07] <antrix> pointwood, #mplayer -ao arts foo.avi [06:07] <nikkia> pointwood: what does artsshell -q status say ? [06:08] <Bags2> Hello again. [06:08] <nikkia> pointwood: just the first line, if you want to paste it [06:08] <pointwood> ahh...works now :) [06:08] <Bags2> Can anyone please help me to diable my DHCP server in Kubuntu? [06:08] <pointwood> w00t w00t [06:08] <pointwood> thanks a lot :) [06:08] <nikkia> pointwood: arts tends to go to sleep, and sometimes some clients don't wake it up :/ [06:09] <Bags2> How do yo turn the damn thing off? [06:09] <Bags2> DHCP server? [06:09] <pointwood> server status: busy [06:10] <tenco> nikkia: i can see it now in konqueror, but not on the desktop... [06:10] <nikkia> tenco, you might need to restart kdesktop before it sees it [06:10] <nikkia> tenco, easiest way to do that, is to log out then back in [06:10] <Bags2> Oh, ok. [06:10] <Bags2> I've got it. [06:11] <tenco> nikkia: ok, i will try [06:14] <jpatrick> how do I know which module I need? [06:15] <_stef> ping: tenco [06:15] <pointwood> nikkia: thx for the help, saved my day :) [06:16] <nikkia> pointwood: np [06:18] <jpatrick> :/ [06:26] <othernoob> hi, does anyone know of a program to convert .ape to .mp3? [06:30] <nikkia> othernoob, i don't think you can do it in one step [06:30] <nikkia> you'll have to decode .ape to .wav, then convert .wav to .mp3 [06:30] <nikkia> since .ape is lossless, its not like you lose any quality doing that, though [06:31] <othernoob> that's fine. just want to get rid of .ape ;) [06:32] <nikkia> othernoob: you'll have to find a copy of monkey's audio for kubuntu though, i don't know if its in any repository [06:32] <nikkia> (no reason it shouldn't be, its not a restricted format, afaik) [06:34] <othernoob> the platform isn't important :) [06:51] <tenco> xpnoob: ? [06:55] <CyberMad> do you know how to install xchm ? [06:55] <CyberMad> because i already use aptitude [06:55] <CyberMad> and there is "c xchm" [06:55] <CyberMad> what is c mean? [06:55] <CyberMad> corrupt? [06:57] <nikkia> iirc, it means its downloaded, but not configured [06:57] <nikkia> which usually means there was a failure when you tried to install it, at the configuration phase [07:00] <CyberMad> yes,.. i can't install it [07:05] <Almindor> my printer ignores print jobs when there's too much black in the page... [07:05] <Almindor> is there any setting which manages this? it's really annoying [07:15] <_tito> alguien sabe como averiguar la clave de su [07:15] <tenco> how can i enable underlining of strings like _this_ or _that_? [07:16] <tenco> and bold printing of *bold* and *bla*? [07:16] <tenco> in konversation [07:16] <_tito> how can i know my su pasword????? [07:17] <tenco> ? [07:17] <tenco> the root account is disabled on (k)ubuntu [07:17] <tenco> use sudo [07:17] <tenco> with your accounts password [07:17] <_tito> thanx [07:19] <winnie> salut [07:19] <winnie> peut-on parler francais ici ? [07:20] <_tito> to use the apt-get i must be root [07:20] <_tito> how can i do that [07:20] <_tito> ? [07:27] <apokryphos> _tito: prefix your commands with sudo [07:27] <apokryphos> !root [07:27] <ubotu> [root] disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo [07:27] <othernoob> mmh.. why does * not want to work when there are numbers involved.. [07:33] <_tito> Could not mount device. [07:33] <_tito> The reported error was: [07:33] <_tito> mount: no se puede encontrar /dev/hda5 en /etc/fstab o /etc/mtab [07:53] <_matthew> howdy anyone here know much about nph cgi scripts? [07:54] <boga> is it possible to have my cdroms auto-mounted? if so, how? [07:54] <Tm_T> doh [07:54] <Tm_T> automount :/ [07:55] <Tm_T> boga: does fstab say anything to you? [07:55] <boga> Tm_T: yes, it only mentions the device (cdrom) [07:55] <Tm_T> uhm, ok [07:56] <boga> but I'd like the cdrom to be auto-mounted on insertion [07:57] <Tm_T> does it have "user,ro,auto" in <options> part? [07:58] <boga> no...it has "noauto" is that what I have to change to "auto"? [07:58] <Tm_T> uhm, no, that's not te pont, sorry [07:58] <Tm_T> too much windows to me :/ [07:58] <Tm_T> no, keep tat noauto [07:59] <Tm_T> uhm, it was amd daemon! [07:59] <Tm_T> AutoMountDaemon, amd [07:59] <Tm_T> got t? [07:59] <boga> AutoMountDaemon? so is that an app to install? [08:00] <Tm_T> yes, I think so =) [08:01] <Tm_T> am-utils to be presice [08:02] <Tm_T> just "sudo apt-get install am-utils" [08:03] <Tm_T> I think that'll do it [08:06] <KWizzard> hey, where I can get Ubuntu T-shirt? :D [08:07] <pointwood> http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop/ [08:07] <umberleigh> where's grub.conf? i can't seem to find it [08:07] <KWizzard> thx >D [08:07] <Tm_T> umberleigh: somewere in /etc ? [08:08] <Tm_T> pointwood: but where's kubuntu T-shirts?! [08:08] <umberleigh> i've just moved from gentoo, where it was in /boot/grub/, but it's not there and find /etc/ -name grub.conf doesn't give any output [08:08] <pointwood> dunno - he asked for ubuntu shirts :) [08:09] <KWizzard> Kubuntu would be good too, but there are only white, I wanna black :D [08:10] <taw> how do i install the polish language pack ? installer asked me if i wanted to download it, but the network wasn't configured at that point [08:10] <Aapzak> good evening [08:11] <KWizzard> taw, open kynaptic application, and download it [08:14] <taw> download what ? [08:15] <Tm_T> I might even buy one ubuntu mug =) [08:16] <taw> the things called language-pack-pl and language-pack-pl-base are installed, but the msgs that were in polish in debian are in english, and accented characters are all misdisplayed [08:18] <Tm_T> taw: ok, and what "locale" says? [08:18] <taw> locale [08:18] <taw> LANG=pl_PL.UTF-8 [08:18] <taw> ... [08:19] <taw> some shell utils seems to have polish text, but kde is all in english [08:20] <KWizzard> so just change your locale setting in KDE Control Center [08:20] <taw> but the display of accented characters is broken in shell [08:21] <Tm_T> hum [08:21] <taw> oh, it only lets me use "US English" [08:21] <xpnoob> is there a way to see what aps run on which port? [08:22] <KWizzard> do you have KDE? [08:22] <Tm_T> taw: install kde-language packs too =) [08:22] <KWizzard> download kde-i18n-pl [08:23] <Tm_T> I don't understand why US English is default [08:23] <KWizzard> what should be default? Polish? :D [08:24] <Tm_T> en_GB ofcourse [08:24] <CyberMad> please help me, i can't install tightvnc server on my linux box [08:24] <taw> KWizzard: the language chosen in the installer [08:24] <KWizzard> oh, yes [08:24] <CyberMad> where i install from aptitude and search for new package tightvnc-server [08:25] <Tm_T> taw: too easy =) [08:25] <CyberMad> there is letter c in front of tightvnc-server package and i press + but didn't effect anything [08:26] <CyberMad> i try install from debian package and there is an error too [08:26] <CyberMad> yudi@earth:~/Backup$ vncserver [08:26] <CyberMad> Couldn't start Xvnc; trying default font path. [08:26] <CyberMad> Please set correct fontPath in the vncserver script. [08:26] <CyberMad> what [08:26] <CyberMad> what's wrong is this? [08:26] <other|pissed> mmh, why does * not work when there are numbers involved? for example lame -h -b 192 *.wav won't work (the wavs are 01-filename, 02-filename, 03-filename...) [08:28] <Chewie> Hi [08:29] <Chewie> Is anybody having trouble with the media:/ kioslave not detecting pendrives in breezy? [08:31] <taw> still, why are the fonts screwed up ? [08:36] <mornfall> so, what should i implement next? :-) [08:36] <Tm_T> Chewie: breezy == unstable [08:40] <mornfall> current state of affairs: http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html [08:44] <martin-> Need some help: got an ATI all in wonder with TV functionality. i downloaded tvtime but now i need to choose the device somehow. Anyone knows what to do? [08:52] <taw> where are the fonts for kubuntu ? packages for neither mstcorefonts nor xfonts-*-transcoded exist [08:55] <xpnoob> i just installed squirrelmail with apt. how can i enable it for my webdirs? [08:55] <xpnoob> it installs all files outside the www dir [08:58] <_tito> how can I install rmp one [08:58] <_tito> ? [08:58] <xpnoob> alien -d foo.rpm ? [08:58] <_tito> tkx [08:58] <xpnoob> np [09:00] <_tito> and then to install a dev file [09:00] <_tito> ? [09:00] <_tito> deb sorry [09:01] <xpnoob> yea [09:01] <xpnoob> dpkg -i bar.deb [09:01] <_tito> thx [09:12] <_tito> i installed lmule but i cant fintd it [09:49] <mikonian> hi folks! how do i restart KDE? [09:50] <mikonian> hullo? [10:52] <taw> what music/movie players are there for kubuntu ? [10:54] <pointwood> amarok or juk for music [10:57] <claydoh> amarok!!!!!!!! [10:58] <pointwood> we have a fan :p [10:58] <claydoh> you betcha [10:58] <pointwood> I like it too :) [11:00] <claydoh> ok what s the good cd ripper? [11:00] <taw> oh [11:00] <taw> a lot of packages that i use on debian are not available from kubuntu repositories [11:01] <taw> like mc, mutt, or mplayer [11:01] <taw> or anything ruby-devel-related [11:01] <pointwood> kAudioCreator [11:01] <pointwood> you need to add universe [11:02] <taw> is it anything more nontrivial than a recompile ? [11:02] <pointwood> check the ubuntuguide [11:02] <pointwood> http://ubuntuguide.org/ [11:04] <taw> ouch, no libnet-irc-perl [11:06] <pointwood> again, add the extra repositories and I bet it's there [11:07] <claydoh> it is :) [11:07] <taw> oh [11:07] <gsuveg> re [11:07] <gsuveg> how can i add new wm into kdm ? [11:07] <gsuveg> where ? [11:12] <_franz> Hello [11:12] <_franz> How are you every body [11:13] <_franz> Hy Peter [11:13] <_franz> HI sorry [11:14] <_peter> helo [11:14] <_franz> How are you? [11:14] <_peter> good [11:14] <_franz> French? [11:15] <_peter> no [11:15] <_peter> sry [11:15] <_peter> have to go :/ [11:15] <_franz> no it's ok of course [11:15] <pointwood> iSleep [11:15] <_peter> cya [11:15] <_franz> i am not french [11:15] <bz0b> can someone help me really quick? [11:15] <_franz> bz0b: yes? [11:16] <_franz> what can i help you if i could [11:16] <bz0b> im trying to install my wirelesss driver [11:16] <bz0b> root@bz0b:/usr/src/madwifi-cvs-20050814# make && make install [11:16] <bz0b> Makefile.inc:94: *** KERNELPATH must be defined. Stop. [11:16] <bz0b> i get that errr [11:16] <gsuveg> bz0b: have you installed the kernel src ? [11:16] <bz0b> huh? [11:16] <bz0b> nope [11:16] <bz0b> apt-get right? [11:16] <_franz> i have no problem with my centrino [11:16] <bz0b> do i need to apt-get something? [11:17] <gsuveg> yepp [11:17] <_franz> witch brand is your card? [11:17] <bz0b> its a dlink dwl g639 [11:17] <bz0b> its a dlink dwl g630* revision 2 [11:17] <bz0b> its a dlink dwl g630* revision c* [11:17] <_franz> dlink has no driver fr linux? [11:18] <bz0b> not sure do they? [11:18] <bz0b> let me look at their site [11:18] <_franz> ubuntu detect me my dlink router [11:18] <_franz> (i can speak french if you are french ) [11:19] <bz0b> je ne parle francais :-) [11:19] <gsuveg> pardon? [11:19] <bz0b> Je ne parle francais [11:20] <gsuveg> _franz: how can i add new wm into kdm ? [11:20] <bz0b> Je suis d'American [11:20] <_franz> new wm? [11:20] <gsuveg> bz0b: beszeljunk inkabb magyarul. [11:20] <_franz> bz0b: ok je suis Canadien lol [11:20] <gsuveg> _franz: windowmanager [11:20] <bz0b> I barely no french [11:21] <bz0b> I took a class on it for 1 1/2 year [11:21] <_franz> oki we speak our language [11:21] <gsuveg> _franz: i need put icewm into kdm, but i dont find it [11:21] <_franz> i was born in France [11:21] <bz0b> i see [11:21] <_franz> I have double Nationality [11:21] <_franz> gsuveg: you did'nt find with apt? [11:22] <_franz> Synaptic [11:22] <_franz> i download some codec [11:22] <gsuveg> _franz: i need fresh from src [11:22] <_franz> but i am really new in linux so i don't now all things [11:23] <bz0b> so can someone help me? or are we going to sit around and talk about what other languages we can speak? [11:23] <gsuveg> bz0b: install the kernel source [11:23] <bz0b> what is the apt-get for it? [11:23] <gsuveg> and maybe you need recompile whole kernel ;) [11:23] <_franz> sorry bz0b i don't now [11:24] <bz0b> is it linux-source-2.6.10 [11:24] <bz0b> ? [11:24] <gsuveg> apt-linux-source-2.6.10 [11:24] <gsuveg> ye [11:24] <bz0b> ok [11:24] <bz0b> i am doing that now [11:25] <bz0b> thank you guys [11:25] <bz0b> I was about to ndiswrapper [11:25] <BTJustice> I had a Creative SB Live! 7.1 sound card, but it gave me so many problems that I got rid of it. I just put my old Creative SB Live! 5.1 sound card back in. What do I need to do to get it to work in Kubuntu? [11:26] <BTJustice> I type alsamixer and nothing comes up [11:27] <_franz> Sound and linux is always a problem, skype doesn't work in my computer because he doesn't found ma sound cart [11:27] <bz0b> im still getting the error root@bz0b:/usr/src/madwifi-cvs-20050814# make && make install [11:27] <bz0b> Makefile.inc:94: *** KERNELPATH must be defined. Stop. [11:27] <gsuveg> have you installed the kernel src ? [11:27] <bz0b> yes [11:28] <gsuveg> how look the /usr/src ? [11:28] <bz0b> huh? [11:28] <gsuveg> ls -l /usr/src [11:28] <bz0b> oh [11:28] <bz0b> i see [11:29] <bz0b> it only gets the source [11:29] <bz0b> i have to install it? [11:29] <gsuveg> untar ? [11:29] <bz0b> ys [11:29] <bz0b> i am doing it now [11:29] <bz0b> ok [11:29] <bz0b> after i untar it do i have to install anything too? [11:30] <gsuveg> hmm [11:30] <bz0b> omg how big is this kernel source it is taking forever to unpack [11:30] <gsuveg> maybe a symlink [11:30] <bz0b> ok done [11:30] <gsuveg> how look the /usr/src ? [11:30] <bz0b> root@bz0b:/usr/src# ls [11:30] <bz0b> linux-source-2.6.10 madwifi-cvs-20050814.patch [11:30] <bz0b> linux-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2 madwifi-cvs-20050814.tgz [11:30] <bz0b> madwifi-cvs-20050814 rpm [11:30] <bz0b> root@bz0b:/usr/src# [11:31] <_franz> bye bye everybody [11:31] <bz0b> ok gsuveg so? [11:32] <gsuveg> ln -s linux-source-2.6.10 linux [11:32] <gsuveg> in usr/src [11:32] <bz0b> ok [11:32] <bz0b> done? [11:33] <bz0b> root@bz0b:/usr/src/madwifi-cvs-20050814# make && make install [11:33] <bz0b> Makefile.inc:122: *** KERNELCONF: /usr/src/linux/.config does not exist.. Stop. [11:33] <bz0b> new error [11:34] <gsuveg> yes :) [11:34] <gsuveg> go into linux dir [11:34] <gsuveg> make menuconfig [11:34] <gsuveg> hmm. [11:34] <bz0b> where is the linu dir [11:34] <bz0b> linux* [11:35] <gsuveg> ./usr/src/linux [11:35] <bz0b> ok [11:37] <bz0b> ok [11:37] <bz0b> i am in the menuconfig thing [11:37] <bz0b> its like this blue thing poped up [11:37] <bz0b> what do i do here? [11:37] <gsuveg> yes [11:37] <gsuveg> this is the prob [11:37] <bz0b> huh? [11:38] <gsuveg> i dont know tthe default kernel config of ubuntu [11:38] <gsuveg> i dont know kernel config/install ? [11:38] <bz0b> oh [11:38] <bz0b> umm [11:39] <bz0b> shit [11:39] <bz0b> any ideas [11:39] <bz0b> should i go to #ubuntu? [11:39] <gsuveg> go [11:45] <BTJustice> I had a Creative SB Live! 7.1 sound card, but it gave me so many problems that I got rid of it. I just put my old Creative SB Live! 5.1 sound card back in. What do I need to do to get it to work in Kubuntu? [11:45] <BTJustice> Whenever the sound system starts, I get this error: device /dev/dsp can't be opened. [11:47] <sobersabre> hello... is there a ready amarok 1.3 package for hoary ? [11:47] <bz0b> gsuveg, ok i saved the new configurations [11:48] <gsuveg> k [11:48] <gsuveg> go into module dir [11:48] <gsuveg> and test ;) [11:50] <bz0b> wow so many erros [11:54] <roguejedix_> Quake 3: Arena Source has been GPL'ed [11:54] <JeffAMcGee> Is there a way to make konversation not say "joe has joined this channel" or "joe has left this server"? [11:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Think so [11:55] <gdh> yep [11:55] <gdh> prefs - behavious -= chat window - 'hide join/part...' [11:56] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Right [11:56] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I really should learn to type faster [11:57] <BTJustice> I had a Creative SB Live! 7.1 sound card, but it gave me so many problems that I got rid of it. I just put my old Creative SB Live! 5.1 sound card back in. What do I need to do to get it to work in Kubuntu? [11:57] <BTJustice> Whenever the sound system starts, I get this error: device /dev/dsp can't be opened. [11:57] <BTJustice> alsamixer brings up nothing [12:02] <JeffAMcGee> gdh: thanks [12:02] <gdh> =)

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.786384

2005-08-25-#kubuntu-devel

[12:25] <Verwilst> Riddell-awa: ping [12:39] <Verwilst> Riddell-awa: if you're here, please contact me ;) want to talk to you :$ [12:39] <Verwilst> goodnight! [08:44] <pef> hello [03:34] <eazel7> hi ppl [04:29] <eazel7> hi ppl [04:29] <jpatrick> wb [04:29] <eazel7> do you think it is possible to imitate lycoris installer (qt-based)? [04:31] <eazel7> I'd like a graphical kubuntu installer (in which it's possible to play freecell/solitaire while installs :-P) do you recommend me to try t in python or in c++? [04:32] <jpatrick> Both [04:33] <eazel7> no prefference for you? it'll have to run as kubuntu install cd boots [04:33] <jpatrick> I don't know Python [04:33] <jpatrick> Maybe C++ will be better [04:35] <eazel7> ok [04:35] <eazel7> what other people thinks? [04:37] <eazel7> I think it will be better to do it in C++ [10:21] <Verwilst> hello

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.803020

2005-08-29-#ubuntu-meeting

[02:01] <JaneW> hi [02:01] <ogra_ltsp> hi [02:01] <jamey> hi [02:02] <JaneW> ***Reminder*** Edubuntu Dev Update Meeting starting now [02:02] <ogra_ltsp> i'd like to point out that my DSL drops from time to time... [02:02] <JaneW> jelkner was going to be joiniung us... [02:02] <ogra_ltsp> so i might have to reconnect during the meeting... [02:02] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: ok [02:02] <ogra_ltsp> so lets wait some minutes [02:02] <JaneW> ok 3 mins [02:03] <JaneW> hi jelkner [02:03] <JaneW> we were waiting for you [02:03] <JaneW> hello flint [02:03] <flint> hi Jane... [02:04] <JaneW> are we all here now? [02:04] <flint> No. [02:04] <jelkner> hi JaneW, i'm not late, am i? [02:04] <flint> I mean metaphorically [02:04] <JaneW> flint: are you ever? ;) [02:04] <flint> ...excellent point [02:04] <JaneW> jelkner: no not really (3 mins) [02:04] <flint> :^) [02:05] <JaneW> ok ogra_ltsp hit it [02:05] <jelkner> sorry, it won't happen again! [02:05] <JaneW> give us lots of good news ... [02:05] <ogra_ltsp> shall i ? [02:05] <jelkner> well, paul is talking to you from and edubuntu workstation [02:05] <flint> Jane elkner has me running from a "zimermaned" ubuntu LTSP server for this meeting! [02:05] <flint> I feel so secure! [02:05] <ogra_ltsp> i have one good and one bad news about edubuntu-desktop :) [02:06] <ogra_ltsp> what do you want first ? [02:06] <jamey> the bad [02:06] <ogra_ltsp> nvu wont be included [02:06] <jamey> :O [02:06] <jamey> the good? [02:06] <ogra_ltsp> its refused by the security team [02:06] <flint> Elkner was whinning about the art. We thought that was the bad news... [02:07] <JaneW> nvu? [02:07] <ogra_ltsp> the good is, we are done.... the last package just got approved ;) [02:07] <jamey> http://www.nvu.com/ [02:07] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: yay [02:07] <jamey> it's a Dreamweaver-like application [02:07] <ogra_ltsp> so from tomorrow on i dont need to do any work on this package anymore and it will be installable [02:07] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: to be clear mediawiki is now IN right? [02:07] <jelkner> ogra_ltsp: i have a question, what are we doing about light-weight desktop? [02:07] <ogra_ltsp> JaneW, i'd like to hear mdz and sabdfl about the security issues [02:08] <ogra_ltsp> ^^^mediawiki [02:08] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, i have a SoC student... i'll create a package for universe these days [02:08] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, he prepared a applist.. [02:08] <JaneW> jelkner: lightweightdesktop is a Google SoC bounty project [02:09] <jelkner> excellent [02:09] <jelkner> icewm or xfce? [02:09] <ogra_ltsp> it wont make it to main for breezy though... [02:09] <ogra_ltsp> icewm [02:09] <jelkner> great! [02:09] <JaneW> jelkner: so by definition not high priority or likely to land in Breexy [02:09] <JaneW> Breezy [02:09] <ogra_ltsp> we have another team working on a xfce metapackage, but that wont enter breezy it seems [02:09] <jelkner> yes, but i'm going to want to run in my lab, so i would like to be involved in the testing process [02:09] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: will you follow up with mdz and sabdfl later? [02:09] <ogra_ltsp> JaneW, yup [02:10] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: ok thanks [02:10] <ogra_ltsp> so that about the -desktop package [02:10] <JaneW> jelkner: out your name on the spec page as interested for testing [02:10] <JaneW> put sorry [02:11] <flint> oh i like out... it is so metro. [02:11] <jelkner> or, if you all think it would be more helpful, i could start the year using gnome and report problems as the occure [02:11] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: so what impact does nvu not being in have? Do we need something esle or are we ok without it? [02:11] <ogra_ltsp> the server package is awaiting one review and a bit of tweakage for the moodle package, i'm confident we'll have it done this week [02:11] <jelkner> and then make the switch when the problems are clearly identified [02:11] <ogra_ltsp> oh, yes, nvu [02:11] <jamey> how stable is the server package once installed? [02:11] <ogra_ltsp> we have two options for a web editor in main [02:12] <flint> if elkner were testing a model airplane he would fly it from here to Paris. [02:12] <ogra_ltsp> jamey, i'm working with it currently (as my nick might suggest) [02:12] <jamey> :-) [02:12] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: are they good alternatives? [02:12] <jamey> what kind of response does it give? (although that's completely dependent on the circumstances) [02:12] <flint> What I worry about (some one needs to) is what kind of fallback is there in operation? [02:12] <ogra_ltsp> so i'd hear some opinions for the web editor stuff [02:12] <jelkner> bluefish [02:12] <ogra_ltsp> we have quanta and screem... quanta is missing documentation..... screem is complicated to use imho [02:13] <jelkner> (which is already there) [02:13] <ogra_ltsp> bluefish is as good as using gedit i think... [02:13] <ogra_ltsp> it just has some additions [02:13] <flint> Elkner says he is less concerned about packages than base functionality. [02:13] <JaneW> flint: users want packages though [02:13] <flint> Then he goes down this bluefish rathole... [02:13] <ogra_ltsp> ok, so i'd like to hear a vote or should we drop it to the ML ? [02:14] <JaneW> flint: and pretty pictures [02:14] <jelkner> the beginning of school is just around the corner [02:14] <flint> Ya gotta have the logo and all that! [02:14] <JaneW> jelkner: in the states... [02:14] <jelkner> and software freedom day is right behind that [02:14] <jelkner> (software freedom day is all over the world) [02:14] <JaneW> jelkner: we are not tying ourselfs to the school year [02:14] <flint> And then there is the Helgoland bite and the sudatenland.... [02:15] <ogra_ltsp> we are only tied to the release schedule for now... [02:15] <JaneW> our release date is still geared for 13 Oct [02:15] <jelkner> i understand, JaneW, but you realize that from a marketing point of view that is not good [02:15] <ogra_ltsp> yup [02:15] <JaneW> on that day a d/l version will be available [02:15] <random003> evening all [02:15] <flint> that is the distillation of what mdz said. [02:15] <jelkner> flint and i are promoting edubuntu all over around here [02:15] <JaneW> no CDs will be pressed at this time [02:16] <jelkner> and we are having a good deal of success generating interest [02:16] <ogra_ltsp> i'm pretty confident we'll have a good CD on the weekend... if ubuntu doesnt break our base again [02:16] <jelkner> but we *are* tied to the school year [02:16] <flint> we are toying with doing a limited run of the beta for SFD [02:16] <JaneW> we agreed in a previous meeting to keep this launch relatively small, as we were having dev 'challenges ' [02:17] <ogra_ltsp> so any opinions for the web authoring ? [02:17] <ogra_ltsp> before we move on ? [02:17] <eps> is this an official meeting or am I welcome to pitch in? [02:17] <ogra_ltsp> eps, go ahead [02:17] <JaneW> flint, elkner, you guys can offer support too, so punt away... but we have to becareful of pushing to communities who may battle to implement and get quickly disillusioned [02:18] <flint> the innoculation effect - indeed! [02:18] <eps> web authoring is what regard [02:18] <JaneW> so we are not aiming for world domintaion on 13 Oct [02:18] <eps> in* [02:18] <ogra_ltsp> eps see above [02:18] <flint> what? no blitz-software! [02:18] <JaneW> but rather want to get entrenched with our enthusiasts and use them to test and troubleshoot and provide feedback to make Breezy+1 kick-ass [02:19] <jelkner> JaneW: the problem is that the world is moving forward with or without us, so we need to do our best to stay with it [02:19] <eps> ogra_ltsp, I came in late. never mind :) [02:19] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, the problem is that we cant do much wrt ubuntu breakages [02:19] <jelkner> i've got local vendor who does IT support for non-profits interested in LTSP [02:19] <JaneW> jelkner: agreed, but the pressure was killing us (some of us literally) and it;s no good promising the world and not getting any of it right [02:20] <ogra_ltsp> and they keep our CD broken as well [02:20] <JaneW> so we need to have a properly working product before we sell it. [02:20] <jelkner> OK, i don't want to contribute to any early deaths [02:20] <flint> important question - has sabdfl come up with a name for breezy+1 that will enrage mdz yet? [02:20] <flint> sorry... [02:20] <JaneW> there's mention of something [02:20] <ogra_ltsp> i heard a name, but forgot it [02:21] <JaneW> may or may not be public yet... [02:21] <JaneW> so I will remain silent [02:21] <flint> the real question here is about upgrade path.... [02:21] <JaneW> ok so can we make a call on a web authoring tool now or not? [02:21] <JaneW> flint: yes we want a stable (if very simple) base now [02:22] <JaneW> flint: whoich can be embelished and fancied up for more wow effect in the next cycle [02:22] <ogra_ltsp> options: 1. quanta, 2. screem, 3. bluefish .... make a vote [02:22] <eps> 3 :) [02:22] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: I have no knowledge [02:23] <jelkner> JaneW: but in the interest of reducing stress, it is not packages we need right now, but ease of install and dependability [02:23] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: chmj says Quanta [02:23] <eps> though I do a lot of web coding so I'm bias [02:23] <jelkner> packages can come later [02:23] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, nope [02:23] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, its most important to have that sorted, the CD wont build if the package selection isnt clear [02:23] <JaneW> eps: which is more user friendly, especially for novices and under 18s... [02:24] <flint> elkner says that bluefish is not bad. Ollie, what package is easiest to get in? [02:24] <eps> I would be thinking more a long the lines of a specific set of packages and don't expand on it until it is researched [02:24] <ogra_ltsp> flint, the all three are in main... [02:24] <eps> JaneW, that is hard, those apps are rather powerful :P ... [02:24] <ogra_ltsp> so this isnt a problem... i just dont want to make the decision alone [02:25] <JaneW> eps: ok thanks - but not novice it seems... ;) [02:25] <eps> JaneW, hehe, I hope not :D [02:25] <flint> the original ubuntu that we know and love did not even have a wed editor. less is more. [02:25] <eps> JaneW, I would still have to suggest bluefish simply because it doesn't put features in your face until you need them. so it is simple [02:25] <ogra_ltsp> but we committed to have one at the summit [02:25] <flint> sorry web replaces wed [02:26] <eps> also, why not have nvu as the web editor? [02:26] <JaneW> ok bluefish - has a nice name! [02:26] <ogra_ltsp> and a pretty icon... [02:26] <JaneW> nvu was rejected [02:26] <eps> gah k3b is killing most of my screen :( [02:26] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, what do you say ? [02:26] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: sold! [02:26] <eps> JaneW, can I ask why? [02:26] <flint> cut to fit, paint to match, fly it to Paris... [02:26] <ogra_ltsp> eps, its not supportable... [02:26] <ogra_ltsp> it ships a old insecure copy of the complete mozilla code [02:27] <JaneW> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportNvu [02:27] <eps> ogra_ltsp, okay... I've already lost a "not supportable" discussion with a local pc place this week when myself and several others tried to convince them to try linux so I wont comment further. :P [02:27] <JaneW> ok are we agreed on Bluefish (nice name, cute logo, and 3 votes) 3/3 [02:28] <ogra_ltsp> highvoltage, around ? any opinion ? [02:28] <flint> the way out of that eps is to get a copy of crossover. This is not free but its existance solves the argument. [02:28] <JaneW> I'll phone him [02:28] <JanC> nvu can probably be reconsidered once it runs on xulrunner... [02:28] <jelkner> btw. Breezy kicks butt! [02:28] <ogra_ltsp> heh [02:29] <jelkner> i'm now running it all over the place [02:29] <jelkner> the sound problems with hoary are gone [02:29] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, you were in the bluefish boat too ? (i trust your RL experience most here) [02:29] <flint> elkner, who never met a beta upgrade he did not love, has it on the LTSP server and his desktop... [02:29] <jelkner> ogra_ltsp: keep in mind that i'm in a cs classroom [02:29] <jelkner> bluefish works great [02:30] <jelkner> students like it, and find it easy to use [02:30] <JaneW> ok word from highvoltage ... [02:30] <ogra_ltsp> oki, sounds like a majority for bluefish [02:30] <jelkner> but i wouldn't give it to teachers to use [02:30] <jelkner> they will need to wait for nvu [02:30] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, nvu will never be in main [02:30] <highvoltage> ok i'm here [02:31] <flint> elkner managed to get hoary working, added breezy and then got the whole thing working with edubuntu. [02:31] <JaneW> highvoltage says he prefers Quanta but it does have KDE dependencies, so Bluefish is a good option, esp if we want to switch to nvu later [02:31] <jelkner> it doesn't have to be in main [02:31] <jelkner> as long as its in universe [02:31] <flint> what is the security glitch with nvu... [02:31] <JaneW> here he is [02:31] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, it does if we want it on the CD [02:31] <highvoltage> quanta is real nice. [02:31] <jelkner> we don't need it on the CD [02:31] <JaneW> highvoltage also reminided me that Open Office has a simple web edittor functionality... [02:31] <eps> bluefish is good for coding in xhtml/php so I still vote for it (I personally use jedit though) [02:31] <highvoltage> ogra_ltsp said previousely that it's touch to put on cd though, because it relies to much on stuff outside main. [02:31] <ogra_ltsp> flint, it ships a complete (very old and insecure) copy of mozilla... [02:31] <jelkner> oh, the live cd becomes an issue [02:32] <highvoltage> quanta has wysiwyg and html split view wich makes things very nice. [02:32] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, and the schools without internet access... [02:32] <eps> JaneW, as a web developer I would ask that people not know that it can make pages. it isn't web standards compliant and it saves in a lot of rubbish data. [02:32] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, which will probably be the majority [02:32] <jelkner> quanta is kde thought [02:32] <ogra_ltsp> we also have kdeedu [02:32] <ogra_ltsp> thats nt an issue [02:32] <jelkner> a lot of dependencies for gnome desktop to support [02:32] <ogra_ltsp> not even [02:33] <JaneW> eps: like MS Word!? [02:33] <eps> JaneW, no where near as bad, though the same sort of evilness yes :) [02:33] <JaneW> html created from MS Word SUCKS [02:33] <eps> agreed [02:33] <ogra_ltsp> yup [02:33] <jelkner> ogra_ltsp: if we already have kde libraries, what about k3b? [02:33] <eps> k3b yes :) [02:33] <ogra_ltsp> nope [02:33] <jelkner> nothing in the gnome world comes even close to it [02:33] <flint> If you can judge a book by its cover bluefish has a nicer logo. [02:33] <flint> .. [02:34] <eps> I love k3b... though tonight is my first time using the gnome burner (and I'm rather impressed, an iso is burning in the background) [02:34] <ogra_ltsp> not as long as we ship gnome and already have burning apps for all tasks, i wont double functionallity [02:34] <JaneW> ok we love Bluefish - edubuntu needs a cute factor [02:34] <jelkner> their is no comparision between k3b and gnome burner, k3b is *much* nicer [02:34] <highvoltage> JaneW: come look on my laptop if you want. quanta is cuter than bluefish once running. [02:35] <flint> There is nothing that warms a consultants heart more than option paralisis [02:35] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, we have already two burning apps in gnome that are highly integrated... [02:35] <eps> lol flint [02:35] <ogra_ltsp> and it would break the CD again... [02:35] <ogra_ltsp> every app we include newly will break the CD for some days [02:36] <JaneW> come on ppl make a choice - be decisive (even if like me you can make the selection on logo cuteness)... [02:36] <eps> why do schools need an advanced burner like k3b when gnomes inbuilt one is more than enough.... is that not the real question? [02:36] <ogra_ltsp> (thats an infrastructure issue) [02:36] <highvoltage> QUANTA! [02:36] <highvoltage> sorry. [02:36] <ogra_ltsp> heh [02:36] <flint> K3b has cute to burn :^) [02:36] <ogra_ltsp> flint ! [02:36] <highvoltage> flint: ;) [02:36] <flint> sorry [02:37] <jelkner> ok, i really don't want to slow things down [02:37] <ogra_ltsp> stop this burner discussion ! [02:37] <ogra_ltsp> :) [02:37] <jelkner> i can live with whichever apps you see fit [02:37] <jelkner> what i'm looking for now is: [02:37] <jelkner> 1. easy to install [02:37] <jelkner> 2. robust [02:37] <jelkner> 3. pretty [02:37] <eps> okay so vote quanta vs bluefish? [02:37] <flint> elkner has carpal tunnel but only with the words apt-get :^) [02:38] <ogra_ltsp> for 3, i started the edubuntu-artwork package on monday: http://www.grawert.net/edubuntu/ [02:38] <ogra_ltsp> so please submit artwork :) [02:38] <jelkner> ogra_ltsp: great! [02:38] <ogra_ltsp> to fill it with stuff [02:38] <jelkner> the gdm screen is most important [02:38] <jelkner> it looks ugly now [02:38] <eps> jelkner, I'm not sure I agree, I would say the desktop background is far more important [02:39] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, you wont see the gdm screen on the thin clinets... [02:39] <flint> absolutely [02:39] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, i'm still working on ldm beautificatiopn [02:39] <jelkner> eps: ok, they are both important, because the gdm is what you see first [02:39] <JaneW> I also thinkn our default icon and font size must be bigger than normal in edubuntu [02:39] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, not on the thin clients [02:39] <flint> the clients screens should be beautiful by default. [02:39] <jelkner> well, what do you call that login screen then? [02:39] <eps> jelkner, okay [02:40] <JaneW> chmj votes quanta [02:40] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, thats on the server... [02:40] <JaneW> anymore votes? [02:40] <JaneW> gah! [02:40] <flint> flint votes bluefish. who is counting the votes? [02:40] <jelkner> help me out here, when i boot a client, i get a login screen... what do you call that? [02:40] <ogra_ltsp> so we have 2:4 quanta:bluefush ? [02:40] <ogra_ltsp> so we have 1:5 quanta:bluefush and a neutral lamer :) [02:41] <ogra_ltsp> haha [02:41] <JaneW> ok Bluefish is MUST be [02:41] <highvoltage> i just looked at bluefish, it's improved since i've last used it. [02:41] <highvoltage> it's still not as nice, but it's ok. [02:41] <highvoltage> JaneW: Ouch! [02:41] <JaneW> highvoltage: go to sleep ;) [02:41] <jelkner> the k12-ltsp distro did a great job on that screen. they have a schoolhouse with kids in a circle dancing, and a guy with a red fedora [02:41] <eps> bluefish :) [02:41] <ogra_ltsp> ok, lets get it to main then, i'll start the pitti (security ) fight then :) [02:41] <jelkner> we need something nice [02:41] <jelkner> what we have now is grey and ugly [02:42] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: so Bluefish it is then [02:42] <JaneW> jelkner: who did it for them? [02:42] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, i'll try to improve it, but UI freeze is near and mdz doesnt UI development [02:42] <jelkner> i don't know, but i could ask [02:43] <ogra_ltsp> JaneW, i guess they use gdm or kdm which doesnt work with out ltsp [02:43] <JaneW> jelkner: can I see it somewhere? [02:43] <ogra_ltsp> ldm is a totally new implementation for our ltsp [02:43] <ogra_ltsp> s/out/our [02:44] <flint> I feel that it should be a derivitave of the "human brown" screen we all know, and that someone out there likes with the edubuntu logo replacing the ubuntu logo. [02:44] <highvoltage> ogra_ltsp: k12ltsp uses gdm [02:44] <highvoltage> by default, the gdm standard theme. [02:44] <jelkner> yes, i agree with flint [02:44] <ogra_ltsp> there is also something called sdm, i know mdz tries to make it work, but i havent seen it yet [02:44] <highvoltage> o sorry, i'm supposed to sleep :) [02:44] <jelkner> you guys know how important branding is [02:44] <JaneW> highvoltage: ;) [02:44] <jelkner> more than we do [02:44] <highvoltage> ogra_ltsp: what's up with sdm? [02:44] <jelkner> the plain grey screen is aweful [02:44] <eps> gdm standard theme is changing with gnome 2.12 [02:44] <highvoltage> i thought that was going to be edubuntu default? [02:45] <ogra_ltsp> highvoltage, mdz includes it as an option in our ltsp [02:45] <jelkner> JaneW: i'm thinking how i can get you screen shots [02:45] <highvoltage> ah [02:45] <jelkner> since it's a login screen, i don't know how [02:45] <jelkner> but let me think about it [02:45] <highvoltage> jelkner: xnest [02:45] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, xnest ;) [02:45] <highvoltage> ogra_ltsp: ^5 [02:45] <ogra_ltsp> snap [02:46] <flint> xnest is not bad, it is not that big, will mdz hava a secuity cow? [02:46] <flint> for the screen shot ok oops! [02:46] <highvoltage> flint: xnest is pretty standard in ubuntu [02:47] <ogra_ltsp> the problem currently is that ldm is only a pygtk app and i'm not sure if we can get beyond the gui we have currently... having it look like gdm will require to put some time into it i dont have [02:47] <JaneW> this is what he has done for ubuntu breezy http://sloss.free.fr/CCPapers.html [02:48] <flint> elkner does not have access a fedora machine until after the meeting. [02:49] <jelkner> JaneW: would you say the most useful thing i could do to help then is to: [02:49] <ogra_ltsp> i'll try to get a picture on the root window though, but the current login screen will most likely stay [02:49] <jelkner> 1. learn to use xnest [02:49] <jelkner> 2. send you images of the k12-ltsp login screen and ours [02:50] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, install it, and find it as "login in new window" under applications->system tools [02:50] <jelkner> ogra_ltsp: i'm confident i can get it to work [02:50] <jelkner> flint says he has used it before [02:50] <JaneW> jelkner: ok thanks [02:51] <flint> This is way better than duct taping a scanner to the monitor. (The West Virginia version of xnest) [02:51] <ogra_ltsp> heh [02:51] <jsgotangco> hi all sorry im late [02:51] <jsgotangco> i had too many beers [02:51] <ogra_ltsp> the prob is that we dont just export X (which isnt secure) so we cant just use a X login manager.... [02:52] <ogra_ltsp> all older versions of ltsp did it like that [02:52] <JaneW> jsgotangco: ! [02:52] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I thought you were grocery shopping... [02:52] <flint> so this is an archetectural issue? [02:52] <jsgotangco> JaneW: hi i hope i didnt miss anything important (hic) [02:52] <eps> what is edubuntu planning to do for different langs that will be needed? [02:52] <ogra_ltsp> flint, exactly... [02:53] <flint> then where does the terminal get its initial screen from? [02:53] <ogra_ltsp> eps, just have the language pack installed on the server ad it will be available [02:53] <ogra_ltsp> like in ubuntu [02:54] <ogra_ltsp> flint, from the booted thin client environment that gets booted locally [02:54] <eps> I know a lady who is planning to go over seas to a poorer country rather soon and to convince her to take open source software different languages need to be available... also internet isn't widely available where she is going [02:54] <eps> (she is going to be working in schools where their computer systems will be very limited :P) [02:54] <ogra_ltsp> eps, edubuntus language capabilitys will be the same as ubuntus [02:54] <flint> right now it is coming up black on my terminal. [02:55] <ogra_ltsp> with a centered login window [02:55] <ogra_ltsp> right ? [02:55] <eps> ogra_ltsp, ah... I shall have to research that as I'm not sure of ubuntus method of dealing with langs. (I am a debian user :|) [02:55] <flint> exactly [02:55] <ogra_ltsp> its quite different to debian [02:55] <ogra_ltsp> flint, all i can offer is to put a fullscreen pic in the background [02:56] <highvoltage> jelkner: i can get those screenshots too [02:56] <ogra_ltsp> but the login app will stay... (i changed the themeing to the default ubuntu theme locally already) [02:56] <flint> Elkner refers to this login screen as the plain grey pre walldown eastern european look :^) [02:56] <ogra_ltsp> heh [02:57] <flint> are you telling me that mdz is the stazi? [02:57] <JaneW> eps: there are 90 lagunages supported in ubuntu currently [02:57] <ogra_ltsp> its a borrowed a bit from the legacy gdm login [02:57] <eps> JaneW, okay [02:57] <JaneW> want a dump of them in a /msg? [02:57] <eps> JaneW, do you know if it is the sort of thing one could carry around on a pendisk and just install when installing a new copy of (say) edubuntu, is it .deb? [02:58] <flint> oh excellent jane! [02:58] <flint> Young children will cry when they see the current login screen. [02:58] <ogra_ltsp> eps, yes, but its split in several packages [02:58] <eps> thanks JaneW [02:58] <jsgotangco> not all lanuages are installed by default [02:58] <eps> ogra_ltsp, understood [02:59] <flint> you mean the xdm login not the gdm [02:59] <ogra_ltsp> nope [02:59] <ogra_ltsp> switch gdm to "non graphical" [03:00] <ogra_ltsp> you'll have a similar screen to ldm [03:00] <flint> I want to resolve this language issue I will hold on the darth vader login screen issue. [03:00] <ogra_ltsp> thats how gdm looked before it got graphical [03:00] <jelkner> ogra_ltsp: so you can see why they wanted it to get graphical! [03:01] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, it took them several years to get there... i'll be faster, but i'm not sure i'll make it in this release cycle [03:01] <jelkner> no problem, ogra_ltsp, you can only do what you can do [03:02] <jelkner> i'm greatful for all the fine work you've done already [03:02] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, i understand your concern... but ask flint how it looked in loindon when mdz showed ltsp to us [03:02] <ogra_ltsp> its improved a lot since then... [03:02] <ogra_ltsp> but still needs work [03:02] <flint> I was so buzy handing him a cross over cable I did not notice... [03:03] <flint> I fully intend to whine to mdz about this [03:03] <ogra_ltsp> it was unthemed four rows of widgets in the top left [03:03] <highvoltage> flint: darth vader?! where!? that would be so cool! [03:03] <ogra_ltsp> flint, nope, whine to me, i'm responsible for the UI [03:03] <flint> yea but that dog did actually hunt! [03:03] <jelkner> ogra_ltsp: question: how easy would it be to: [03:04] <flint> yea but ollie you need the hook and without it you can do little. [03:04] <jelkner> 1. change the black background to ubuntu brown [03:04] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, 1. easy [03:04] <jelkner> 2. change the grey to another ubuntu color [03:04] <jelkner> that would go a long way [03:04] <flint> if there is no graphic hook this is hard. Is there a graphic hook for the login screen? [03:04] <jelkner> and if that is easy, why not just do that for this first release? [03:04] <ogra_ltsp> 2. is already done locally here, it uses the brown clearlooks theme [03:05] <ogra_ltsp> as all apps on the desktop [03:05] <flint> can anyone name the file where this hook lives [03:05] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: thanks for your hard work, are you feeling more possitive now? [03:05] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: I know the past few weeks have not been fun for you... [03:05] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: btw I don't see that embryo logo when I boot up, I made a point of checking today... [03:05] <JaneW> 2. burnt orange? [03:05] <ogra_ltsp> /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/greeter [03:05] <jelkner> ok, then i've made more than enough noise about this already... [03:05] <ogra_ltsp> flint, ^^ [03:06] <flint> we could play with it here and validate (or break :^) it with this hook. Thanks ollie! [03:06] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, i plan to have it as pretty as gdm for our next release [03:06] <ogra_ltsp> flint, go ahead.... [03:06] <JaneW> is there anything else to discuss> [03:07] <JaneW> ? [03:07] <jsgotangco> umm [03:07] <jsgotangco> i came in too late? [03:07] <ogra_ltsp> flint, if yu got improvements within the next two days (before UI freeze) mail them to me (ogra@ubuntu.com) [03:07] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: do you need anymore decisions? [03:07] <jelkner> can i ask a technical question about server specs for edubuntu? [03:07] <JaneW> oh yes docs! [03:07] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, go ahaed [03:07] <ogra_ltsp> JaneW, nope [03:07] <JaneW> jsgotangco: do you want to discuss the documentation? [03:07] <jelkner> the friends of the mount rainier library is buying a server today for our library [03:07] <jsgotangco> hmm ok [03:07] <jsgotangco> there's really not that much [03:08] <jelkner> what is a good minimum spec for the server? [03:08] <flint> gotcha ollie! [03:08] <jsgotangco> i updated the Cookbook wiki [03:08] <jsgotangco> and sent ogra an html preview [03:08] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, how many clients ? [03:08] <jelkner> half a dozen [03:08] <ogra_ltsp> which looks very good as a base already [03:08] <jsgotangco> since we really don't have a doc/art freeze, we're not constrained with the sched [03:08] <jsgotangco> umm? [03:08] <jsgotangco> hello? [03:08] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, hmm, at least a gig of ram i'd say [03:08] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: cookbook wiki? [03:09] <JaneW> jsgotangco: there is an art freeze... [03:09] <jelkner> ogra_ltsp: dual processor? [03:09] <ogra_ltsp> JaneW, i'd like to ignore it for edubuntu [03:09] <jelkner> or will single do [03:09] <jelkner> or what about these new dual core things? [03:09] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, i think a fast single would do... [03:09] <flint> jane, I will test as soon as i freakin' can... [03:09] <ogra_ltsp> even better [03:09] <ogra_ltsp> JaneW, it wont affect ubuntu [03:09] <flint> but you still need the ram. [03:10] <jsgotangco> err hello? [03:10] <ogra_ltsp> JaneW, and i think mdz wouldnt have objections [03:10] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: you sure? [03:10] <JaneW> cos 8 Spet is listed as DocumentationStringFreeze [03:10] <ogra_ltsp> JaneW, nope :) but i'll ask him [03:10] <JaneW> s/Spet/Sept [03:10] <jsgotangco> JaneW: im the only guy doing the doc [03:11] <JaneW> and 29 Spet is ArtworkDeadline, [03:11] <ogra_ltsp> JaneW, yes, but we talk about edubuntu specific papers... [03:11] <jsgotangco> JaneW: its impossible for me to finish it even if im jobless at the moment [03:11] <JaneW> jsgotangco: you mean the cookbook? [03:11] <jsgotangco> JaneW: yes [03:11] <jsgotangco> JaneW: we are very much constrained by documentation freeze for ubuntu [03:11] <ogra_ltsp> JaneW, artwork is fine with me... i think with my current artwork package we'll have a good fallback idf anything is missing [03:11] <JaneW> jsgotangco: it will just have to complete after the release then... there's not much we can do about that right? [03:11] <jelkner> ogra_ltsp: another question for you, how do you recommend i do java on edubuntu? [03:12] <jsgotangco> JaneW: its workable with what we have we just have to test out [03:12] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, we'll have blackdown packages in multiverse [03:12] <jelkner> cool [03:12] <jelkner> when? [03:12] <jsgotangco> JaneW: we can still beat the sept. 8 deadline [03:12] <JaneW> highvoltage: do you have your troubleshooting guide completed yet? [03:12] <ogra_ltsp> i requested their inclusion yesterday, i dont think elmo has synced them yet [03:12] <jsgotangco> JaneW: but the meat of the cookbook is the troubleshooting [03:13] <flint> Dear jsgotangco I have the jobless thing going myself. We need to talk about the consultancy and billing (my favorite subject:^) [03:13] <jelkner> school starts for me on sept. 6, i need to set up java by then [03:13] <highvoltage> JaneW: it's about 45% between version 1 and 2. worked on it a bit this morning. [03:13] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, i'll try to push it a bit... [03:13] <jelkner> Thanks! [03:13] <jsgotangco> JaneW: it doesn't help that i'll be speaking at LinuxWorld here in Manila in 2 weeks [03:13] <ogra_ltsp> if that doesnt work, feel free to bug me how to get the right package installed manually... i can point you to it [03:14] <ogra_ltsp> jelkner, so you wont have a difference to the later one [03:14] <flint> can anyone gossip about ubuntu and debian? [03:15] <ogra_ltsp> flint, ? [03:15] <flint> i understand that ubuntu was conspicuous in its absence at Linuxworld SF [03:16] <ogra_ltsp> oh, i didnt know that [03:16] <flint> note that I was not there... [03:16] <ogra_ltsp> ah, that was the prob then ;) [03:17] <flint> the buzz is that folks want to standardize distros around sarge... [03:17] <JaneW> ok all are we done? [03:17] <flint> yes ma'am [03:17] <ogra_ltsp> JaneW, go drinking ;) [03:17] <JaneW> lol at 16:00 [03:17] <ogra_ltsp> thats when my next meeting starts :) [03:17] <jsgotangco> umm [03:18] <jsgotangco> ok sorry if what i did was bitch [03:18] <ogra_ltsp> err, actually no... its later i just see... [03:18] <jsgotangco> i had a few pints [03:18] <flint> I am going to go play with /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/greeter [03:19] <ogra_ltsp> yeah :) [03:19] <flint> Dear jsgotangco email me about consultancy flint@flint.com [03:19] <flint> jane how do you get your name in the message line as in "JaneW has some calls to make"? [03:19] <flint> flint tries to refer to himself... [03:20] <ogra_ltsp> flint /me [03:20] <flint> we want to know the secrets of janew's * [03:20] <jsgotangco> flint: ok [03:20] <ogra_ltsp> hehe [03:20] <flint> thanks babe! [03:20] <jsgotangco> flint: are you giving me a job? heh [03:21] <flint> no, i am scheming to keep us alive, it is a hobby right now. [03:21] <jsgotangco> heh good point [03:22] <flint> jsgotangco: email me at flint@flint.com [03:22] <jsgotangco> flint: gotcha [03:22] <JaneW> lol [03:23] <JaneW> flint: I learned the tricks of IRC back in 1995 (so i did learn somehting at varsity) [03:23] <highvoltage> flint: you can also type the first few letters of someones name and press <tab> to autocomplete [03:23] <JaneW> although it wasn;t how to type on a laptop keyboard [03:23] <jelkner> ogra_ltsp: another technical question... [03:24] <jelkner> will we be able to boot amd64 and powerpc clients? [03:24] <jelkner> can i use an amd64 server [03:24] <flint> can we use macintosh clients? [03:25] <jelkner> we have a lab setup to test all that [03:25] <jsgotangco> flint: like VNC? [03:25] <jelkner> i like to show off how cross platform free software is, so i have a mac and an amd64 all running ubuntu [03:25] <jsgotangco> probably (i hvae no clue either) [03:25] <flint> the word lab is a euphamisim for room full of ols computers... [03:26] <jelkner> jsgotangco: no, as edubuntu thin clients [03:26] <flint> the old ltsp did this [03:26] <flint> should I check with mdz? [03:28] <flint> did i piss everybody off with this question? [03:29] <ogra_> gah, i missed it [03:29] <flint> mac support for mdz ltsp. [03:29] <ogra_> no problem [03:29] <flint> groovy while we are at it. What about sound and storage on the thin clients? These were never right even in the original ltsp. [03:29] <ogra_> but you need a mac server as well... mixed setups wont work [03:30] <flint> WHAT!!!! they worked on k12. [03:30] <ogra_> they are neiteher at ours in the first release... thats something to sort for breezy+1 [03:30] <flint> fair enough. we are about to put in a mixed room. [03:31] <ogra_> flint, our ltsp relies very much on the initramfs on the server... [03:31] <ogra_> thats arch specific [03:31] <flint> mixed in our economic environment is very important, like a show stopper. [03:31] <ogra_> i know its planned for breezy+1 to work something out in this direction [03:32] <flint> it is better to know than to find out in combat. [03:32] <ogra_> but currently it wont work afaik.... mdz will be able to be more precise here [03:32] <ogra_> (probably it works but i dont know yes) [03:32] <ogra_> yet [03:32] <flint> this is a very important issue... I will whine to him [03:32] <ogra_> go ahead :) [03:33] <ogra_> he'll love it :) [03:33] <flint> a-l-l-l-l righty then... thanks for all these excellent tips! [03:33] <ogra_> thanks for coming [03:33] <flint> I will be online while i play with /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/greeter [03:34] <ogra_> oki... poke me if you got questions [03:34] <ogra_> its probably best to install glade :) [03:34] <ogra_> to work with the glade file [03:36] <jelkner> ok, everybody, i need to run... same time next week? [03:36] <JaneW> jelkner: sure [03:36] <flint> the terminal not being in the right click is a mortal sin... [03:36] <jelkner> great, by then i'll have the whole lab running [03:36] <jelkner> lots of feedback... [03:36] <jelkner> cya [03:36] <flint> thanks all... [09:51] <\sh> 9 mins? [09:51] <ogra> yup [09:51] <ogra> looks like your clock matches mine ;) [09:52] <\sh> ogra: that's good :) [09:57] <\sh> good morning ajmitch [09:57] <\sh> hey jblack [09:58] <jblack> Hello, \sh. :) [09:58] <ajmitch> morning :) [09:58] <ogra> yo jblack [09:58] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch [09:59] <lathiat_> morning? pah [09:59] <ajmitch> hey lathiat_ [09:59] <ajmitch> good to see I don't need to call you ;) [09:59] <lathiat_> heh [10:00] <lathiat_> i'd just like to mention that portability sucks [10:00] <lathiat_> why can't everyone just run linux [10:00] <lathiat_> bleh! [10:00] <bddebian> Because GNU/Hurd r0x j00 [10:00] <Nafallo> :-) [10:00] <lathiat_> haha [10:00] <\sh> bddebian: hey dude...I missed u soo much [10:01] <bddebian> Hi \sh, thanks :-) [10:02] <lathiat_> ajmitch: heh [10:02] <lathiat_> i was trying to think of somethign smartass to say [10:02] <\sh> ok..ogra has problems with dsl [10:02] <lathiat_> but alas my brain is too dead [10:02] <ajmitch> \sh: that's no surprise lately [10:02] <ajmitch> any sign of dholbach? [10:03] <lathiat_> queue dholbach joining [10:03] <\sh> I don't see him ..;) [10:03] <lathiat_> i said queue, damn it. [10:04] <\sh> damn...again popup in gnome...jumping from desktop 1 to 2 [10:04] <ajmitch> \sh: you have his phone number to call him? :) [10:05] <\sh> ajmitch: aehm...ja [10:05] <\sh> yes [10:05] <lathiat_> lies! [10:07] <bddebian> Bah, why not? :-) [10:07] <jblack> Where is the agenda again? [10:07] <sistpoty> MOTUMeeting (wiki) [10:08] <\sh> ah ok. [10:08] <\sh> I just phoned dholbach..he is busy in the moment...dinner with his parents etc. [10:08] <\sh> He said: Please excuse me, and have fun with the meeting :) [10:08] <lathiat_> slacker [10:08] <bddebian> Aye [10:09] <\sh> ok..where is ogra [10:09] <ajmitch> a poor excuse :) [10:09] <\sh> doesn't matter [10:09] <\sh> lets start [10:09] <ajmitch> ogra is probably cursing his dsl company [10:09] <sistpoty> hehe [10:09] <dredg> bouncy [10:09] <ajmitch> morning ogra [10:10] <\sh> ogra: again: dholbach is sorry for not attending..because he is busy [10:10] <\sh> ogra: just phoned him [10:10] <siretart> ajmitch: hey, I'm using the same company... [10:10] <ajmitch> first up on the agenda - what we need to do inthe 7 weeks before release [10:11] <\sh> btw..who is writing the meeting minutes for the ML and wiki?
 [10:11] <\sh> bddebian: ? [10:11] <lathiat_> i will if you like [10:11] <\sh> ok lathiat_ :) [10:11] <ajmitch> thanks :) [10:11] <bddebian> \sh: Normally I would love to but I'm swamped atm. Sorry :-( [10:11] <bddebian> Thanks lathiat_ [10:11] <siretart> lathiat_: thanks! [10:11] <\sh> bddebian: teasing :) [10:12] <\sh> lathiat_: thx :) [10:12] <slomo> \sh: i'm logging everything everytime... so for the next time just ask me ;) [10:12] <lathiat_> okie [10:12] <\sh> so lets start with ajmitch first point [10:13] <\sh> as u can see on the agenda, we have some work to do.. [10:13] <\sh> 1. cairo1 to cairo2 [10:13] <ajmitch> both the cairo & slang transitions have only a few packages in them that I can see [10:14] <siretart> the last hours, there have been quite a lot of uploads because of them [10:14] <\sh> the transition must be ended..cause cairo1 is removed from the archives [10:14] <slomo> ajmitch: slang is mostly done... i only need help for maybe 3 packages [10:14] <Nafallo> I have an URL for libcairo1 on amd64 :-P [10:14] <Nafallo> http://www.magicalforest.se/tmp/give-backs_amd64.txt [10:14] <\sh> ajmitch: 47 packages? including xfce4? [10:15] <ajmitch> \sh: not many, I'd say [10:15] <ajmitch> I built them all yesterday as a test of my magic script :) [10:15] <\sh> siretart: -2 (the first 2 lines are not counting) [10:15] <siretart> ah, right [10:15] <siretart> sry [10:16] <ajmitch> a number of them showed up as successful builds in my inbox [10:16] <slomo> that's 42 source packages still depending on libcairo1 for me... well [10:16] <janimo> the xfce4 ones were done by seb128 [10:16] <\sh> janimo: what about xfce4? [10:16] <janimo> but some are waiting in buildd [10:16] <janimo> lamont needs to kick them [10:16] <janimo> I sent him a list [10:16] <\sh> janimo: good :) so it only has to be kicked by lamont or infinity [10:16] <ajmitch> so there are maybe 30 packages then [10:16] <siretart> do we have a ruby master? [10:16] <ajmitch> gtkmm/gnomemm stuff looks to be the bulk of the rest [10:17] <janimo> siretart why? [10:17] <siretart> there are 9 ruby packages in the list [10:17] <siretart> depending on libcairo1 [10:17] <janimo> in the cairo list? [10:17] <ajmitch> I'll start a rebuild of them now.. [10:17] <bddebian> ajmitch: You rock :-) [10:17] <siretart> and from time to time, someone joins the channel, asking what's going on with ruby [10:17] <lathiat_> What is going on with ruby? [10:18] <janimo> siretart, it doesn't install or what? [10:18] <lathiat_> does it need some love? [10:18] <\sh> guys..lets go on...technical issues in #u-motu pls :) [10:18] <janimo> anyway back to topic [10:18] <ajmitch> bddebian: I spent a few hours yesterday writing an auto-transition script [10:18] <bddebian> Nice [10:18] <\sh> ajmitch: so u compile them with your magic script...and upload them? [10:18] <ajmitch> \sh: if it all works, yes :) [10:19] <\sh> ajmitch: ok...give a status on -motu or on a wiki page..so everything which is ftbfsing we can take care of [10:19] <Mitario> hi guys, sorry to barge in, had an urgent meeting to attend :/ [10:19] <ajmitch> will do [10:19] <\sh> ajmitch: thx. [10:19] <\sh> 2. slang1 -> slang2 ... [10:19] <\sh> slomo: i saw some uploads from u [10:19] <ajmitch> slomo asked for help on ~3 or so [10:20] <slomo> yes... currently i fixed most packages [10:20] <slomo> only 4 aren't working... and i can't fix these [10:20] <\sh> mpeg2dec is uploaded / libdv as well (just rebuilds I hope...) [10:20] <ajmitch> well done :) [10:20] <slomo> the problematic packages are the ones markes upstream on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUSlang2Transition [10:21] <slomo> maybe someone with more slang knowledge than me can port them to slang2 [10:22] <\sh> ok..we will have a look on them...and mpeg2dec failed on amd64 [10:22] <\sh> anyways... [10:23] <lathiat_> a quick count puts libcairo1 at 47, libqt3c102-mt at 37, libgmp3 at 30 and libdps1 at 16, unmet wise [10:23] <\sh> ok.. [10:23] <lathiat_> libdps1 seemed to be simple rebuilds, not sure about qt3 or gmp3 [10:23] <lathiat_> i think theyre just cxx cruft leftover [10:23] <\sh> I'll take libqt3c102-mt ;) [10:24] <lathiat_> ok [10:24] <lathiat_> we should fix those big ones [10:24] <lathiat_> i'd do them if i had upload yet... maybe soon. :) [10:24] <Nafallo> hmm [10:25] <Nafallo> I believe I was working on libdps1 a while ago. [10:25] <\sh> lathiat_: debdiffs to MOTUs they upload [10:25] <lathiat_> \sh: yeh but debdiffs for rebuilds are a waste of time :) [10:25] <lathiat_> suppose i can sort out what needs rebuilds [10:25] <Nafallo> rebuilt them but never came around to check them out :-P [10:25] <lathiat_> and give a list to someone like infinity who offered to do amass rebuilds [10:25] <\sh> lathiat_: make a wiki and put src-package + rebuild flag on it :) [10:25] <lathiat_> and fix what needs to be fix [10:25] <lathiat_> and debdiff tho [10:25] <lathiat_> se [10:26] <siretart> poor ogra [10:26] <lathiat_> ok so those are the bigger things [10:26] <lathiat_> are there any other transitions? [10:26] <\sh> hmm...why is kdelibs4 in mylist of libqt3c102-mt? [10:26] <\sh> mesa [10:26] <slomo> lathiat: GL/GLU transition [10:27] <lathiat_> yeh GL/GLU [10:27] <lathiat_> i think infinity did alot on that front [10:27] <lathiat_> probably still a bit to go [10:27] <siretart> yes, I think its completed for main [10:27] <lathiat_> yeh he seemed to be tending to some universe stuff too [10:28] <siretart> jupp [10:28] <lathiat_> any others? [10:28] <lathiat_> so gl/glu can go under those other 2 [10:28] <lathiat_> dps1 and gmp3 i'll look at [10:29] <\sh> not that I know of..unmet deps [10:29] <siretart> well, there is also a haskell transition [10:29] <siretart> but that counts probably on gmp3 [10:29] <ajmitch> yay [10:29] <lathiat_> is that the ghc6 thing? [10:29] <lathiat_> ah yes [10:29] <lathiat_> has that been bootstrapped? [10:29] <lathiat_> or is that waiting on gmp3 too? [10:29] <sistpoty> no, ghc6 was/is broken for gcc4 [10:29] <siretart> lathiat_: no, we are still waiting for new ghc6 release [10:29] <lathiat_> ah [10:29] <ajmitch> sistpoty: any news of a release tere? [10:30] <sistpoty> it's not yet there... [10:30] <sistpoty> but a daily tarball from yesterday seems to do the gcc4 trick [10:30] <ajmitch> :( [10:30] <sistpoty> should we go for it? [10:30] <lathiat_> is there any indication of a rough timeline? [10:30] <siretart> sistpoty: you already did package it?! [10:30] <lathiat_> like is it likely to be within a week or two or alot longer ? [10:31] <sistpoty> siretart: some kind of... but more a ugly hack than a package [10:31] <siretart> lathiat_: it should have been there last week [10:31] <\sh> sistpoty: go for it .. [10:31] <siretart> sistpoty: oh. ok. Let's talk about this later [10:31] <sistpoty> ok [10:31] <sistpoty> maybe i need some help, but i know where to ask for it ;) [10:32] <siretart> ok [10:32] <bddebian> Did ghc6bootstrap ever get reviewed/uploaded? [10:33] <Nafallo> . [10:33] <\sh> Nafallo: now :) welcome [10:33] <sistpoty> bddebian: no... lamont said could handle it [10:33] <lathiat_> bddebian: i think we were just saying, that it fails on gcc4, adn waiting for new release [10:33] <siretart> hi Nafallo :) [10:33] <Mitario> oh right :) [10:33] <Nafallo> siretart: I was here, just that my text didn't get though the damn dircproxy :-P [10:34] <siretart> oh. nasty.. [10:34] <\sh> sistpoty: u are talking to the right people to get this ghc6 beast into universe :) [10:34] <sistpoty> sh: actually siretart was ;) [10:34] <sistpoty> damn this \ ;) [10:35] <siretart> ;) [10:35] <\sh> sistpoty: it's for your motu work :) [10:35] <sistpoty> *g* [10:35] <ajmitch> ok.. [10:35] <\sh> Ok. [10:35] <ajmitch> so how many transitions is that now? :) [10:35] <ajmitch> 6? [10:36] <\sh> ajmitch: 5 or 6 yes [10:36] <ajmitch> someone write these all down on MOTUTodo before I lose track of them :) [10:36] <\sh> lathiat_: is wrapping up :) and we have logfiles :) [10:36] <lathiat_> yep i'll write it all up [10:36] <ajmitch> I know [10:36] <lathiat_> and if you promised to do something i'll mail you a reminder ;p [10:36] <ajmitch> haha [10:36] <siretart> cairo, slang, gl/glu, qt3, gmp [10:36] <lathiat_> PLEASE TO FIX <THIS> KTHXBAI [10:37] <ajmitch> well I'm part-way through my limited cairo transition [10:37] <lathiat_> siretart: dps1 [10:37] <lathiat_> theyre just the big ones [10:37] <lathiat_> theres lots of just a few broken apckages [10:37] <ajmitch> the script even does dch for me! :) [10:37] <lathiat_> i suspect thats largely C++ crap [10:37] <\sh> I heard the call ,-) [10:37] <\sh> next point: Automatic testbuilds of universe [10:38] <ajmitch> I heard that elmo & infinity were already doing this [10:38] <\sh> Lamont: ping :) is it possible without any hassle for u or infinity/elmo? [10:39] <lamont> uh - specifically what? [10:39] <\sh> lamont: universe? [10:39] <lamont> specifically what with universe? [10:39] <siretart> how up to date is this? http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/ [10:40] <\sh> well...dholbach is not here...so he would know....but I could think of all packages [10:40] <lamont> I think the import is running now, meaning that none of it is current [10:40] <lamont> wanna-build -b i386/build-db -dbreezy-autotest --list=all | tail [10:40] <lamont> Total 0 package(s) [10:40] <lamont> once the import finishes, the buildd [10:41] <lamont> 's will just start going. [10:41] <siretart> cool [10:41] <\sh> k [10:41] <lamont> and, in theory, we'll know what time is 'current' [10:41] <ajmitch> so then we can get stuck in & get buried with FTBFS packages [10:41] <lamont> but I expect that any time after 'right now' will be part of the new run [10:41] <\sh> hehe [10:42] <\sh> as ogra said today, universe won't be in shape for release this time..but that was the truth since the beginning [10:42] <ajmitch> we'll get it into as good a shape as possible then [10:42] <\sh> for breezy+1 : 1. prio fixing, polishing :) [10:43] <\sh> ajmitch: for sure..but many sources are unmaintained, but still in the archives.. [10:43] <ajmitch> yep [10:43] <Mitario> is there a number of sources unmaintained somewhere? [10:43] <\sh> unmaintained == no upstream activity anymore && upstream != debian [10:43] <Mitario> ah [10:44] <ajmitch> and it'll get worse for the apt-get.org mass imports coming up [10:44] <siretart> well, thats why we call it 'universe' [10:44] <lathiat_> i think we really need to be harsh on selecting apt-get.org stuff to import [10:44] <\sh> ajmitch: I will talk about apt-get.org with dholbach when I meet him in berlin [10:45] <\sh> ajmitch: it was his goal for breezy I think but it looks like, that we have to postpone this goal to breezy+1 [10:45] <ajmitch> expanding universe & QA of universe seem to collide head-on :-/ [10:45] <dredg> with much much fallout. [10:45] <lathiat_> its sortof a side-on collision [10:45] <lathiat_> :) [10:45] <ajmitch> which is ogra's point later (no more NEW packages) [10:46] <lathiat_> except really cool packages (tm) [10:46] <Yagisan> like mine :) [10:46] <ajmitch> Yagisan: that would be pushing it [10:46] <lathiat_> preferebly 5 letter projects starting and ending in A [10:46] <Yagisan> sorry [10:46] <lathiat_> err [10:46] <ajmitch> lathiat_: ending in A? ;) [10:46] <lathiat_> ajmitch: its 4:46am ;p [10:46] <lathiat_> thats what the 'err' was about ;p [10:47] <siretart> lets move on [10:47] <\sh> ok so we will concentrate right now in fixing stuff, less NEW packages/reviewing [10:47] <lathiat_> should review fixed packages tho [10:47] <bddebian> Fixing "stuff" ? [10:47] <lathiat_> bddebian: unmet deps, FTBFS [10:48] <slomo> bddebian: transitions [10:48] <\sh> "Fixing Sources to build with gcc4/g++4" [10:48] <bddebian> OK [10:48] <lathiat_> \sh: that world of fun [10:48] <Nafallo> bugs [10:48] <bddebian> Is UnmetDeps still huge? [10:48] <\sh> lathiat_: yes :) [10:48] <ajmitch> bddebian: getting stuck in & getting your hands dirty [10:48] <siretart> bddebian: UnmetDeps are always huge [10:48] <ajmitch> bddebian: it's big enough to warrant some love - I'll rebuild the list as a test [10:48] <\sh> lets go on....jblack is waiting :) [10:49] <\sh> ajmitch: patches towards debian (breezy+1) [10:49] <ajmitch> but I've already been using baz & bzr [10:49] <ajmitch> yes! [10:49] <ajmitch> we need to reduce our pain for breezy+1! [10:49] <lathiat_> we should also consider patches to upstream [10:49] <lathiat_> not just debian [10:49] <siretart> ajmitch: how should this pushing work? [10:49] <lathiat_> where appropraite [10:49] <Nafallo> I'm definitly for less pain ;-) [10:49] <lathiat_> i think build fixes would be a big thing in this area [10:50] <ajmitch> siretart: bug reports [10:50] <\sh> first of all... [10:50] <lathiat_> gcc4 wise [10:50] <\sh> there is this utnubu project of debian [10:50] <lathiat_> heh best name [10:50] <siretart> ajmitch: this meens manual work for each diff, right? [10:50] <ajmitch> siretart: if you have the time for it, yes [10:50] <\sh> right now they're fetching our patches somehow.and applying some of them to debian packages [10:51] <sistpoty> sh: you mean utnubu? [10:51] <sistpoty> + \ [10:51] <ajmitch> if you look on packages.qa.debian.org/fillinpackagenamehere, then there's an ubuntu patch link where we've done some work [10:51] <\sh> moment [10:51] <\sh> ogra on phone [10:51] <siretart> ajmitch: thats also nothing for doing right now, lets concentrate rather on stabilizing [10:51] <ajmitch> although the utnubu team exists, IMHO it doesn't excuse us from contacting the debian maintainers [10:52] <\sh> !!! ATTENTION !!! [10:52] <\sh> APT-GET.ORG IS A MUST OF MARK! [10:52] <siretart> this means for us MOTU's? [10:52] <ajmitch> oh dear [10:52] <sistpoty> damn [10:52] <lathiat_> joy [10:54] <siretart> I did not really get that APT-GET.ORG Project. I thought there would exist some script that automatically check random source repositories on apt-get.org, right? [10:54] <ajmitch> siretart: yes, but we have to check the packages for worthiness [10:54] <lathiat_> siretart: yes, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetOrg [10:54] <Yagisan> there is, but it would miss repos like mine [10:54] <siretart> I'm rather confused how that fits into 'NO MORE NEW PACKAGES' [10:54] <lathiat_> siretart: the mark foot [10:54] <ajmitch> siretart: pre-existing goal [10:54] <janimo> siretart, it doesn't :) [10:54] <ajmitch> I already asked ogra about that [10:54] <bddebian> no more new (after apt-get.org) ;-P [10:55] <siretart> hrhr [10:57] <siretart> silence? [10:57] <lathiat_> yeh [10:57] <lathiat_> ok so we nee dto do apt-get.org stuff [10:57] <slomo> \sh: we're all shocked ;) [10:57] <ajmitch> so where does that put us for reviewing NEW packages? :) [10:57] <lathiat_> i think we should try get the big transitions out the way first [10:57] <\sh> ok [10:57] <ajmitch> lathiat_: yes, please [10:57] <\sh> yes [10:57] <\sh> me too [10:57] <lathiat_> concentrate on that [10:57] <lathiat_> when thats done [10:57] <\sh> 1. ogra is excused...he doesn't get any connection via dsl [10:57] <lathiat_> we'll come back and talk [10:57] <ajmitch> Yagisan: sorry, it probably means deng won't get into breezy [10:58] <\sh> 2. apt-get.org is a SABDFL have to be included very important project [10:58] <lathiat_> Yagisan: just list it on apt-get.org [10:58] <lathiat_> Yagisan: and then it will be footed through the door [10:58] <Yagisan> ajmitch: but deng IS on apt-get.org [10:58] <\sh> mvo: ping [10:58] <ajmitch> imho mark is smoking some crack there :) [10:58] <Yagisan> for 6months + [10:58] <\sh> I hope mvo is awake [10:58] <siretart> hm. apt-get.org needs serious organisation [10:59] <Yagisan> your apt-get.org script is broken by design and won't pick it up [10:59] <siretart> perhaps we can hack up revu2 to faciliate that [10:59] <janimo> mark stated he wants apt-get even before _hoary_ [10:59] <\sh> yeah [10:59] <\sh> but ogra told me : THIS IS IMPORTANT ! [10:59] <siretart> I was already thinking about some sort of 'auto' or 'remote' import of random stuff like repositories from apt-get.org [10:59] <slomo> siretart: but revu2 isn't ready for breezy i think... and this seems to be a breezy goal :/ [11:00] <lathiat_> ok so i think we need to get the big transitions out the way and then have a meeting about aptgetorg [11:00] <siretart> slomo: I know. thats the problem [11:00] <lathiat_> get a few people to go through create a 'feasible' list [11:00] <lathiat_> and then prune that further [11:00] <sistpoty> siretart: i also doubt that revu2 will be there before breezy will be out [11:00] <siretart> sistpoty: jepp [11:00] <Nafallo> lathiat++ [11:00] <slomo> lathiat_: sounds the best [11:00] <ajmitch> yep [11:00] <lathiat_> by pruning, check out the packages, see if they are in at least relatively good shape [11:01] <ajmitch> since a blind mass import == DISASTER :) [11:01] <lathiat_> compare sources to upstream [11:01] <lathiat_> check all the scripts etc for security bugs [11:01] <lathiat_> last thing we want to do is import a backdoor into breezy in some cool package [11:01] <siretart> ok. I think we agreed [11:01] <ajmitch> or some broken packages that accidentally does rm -rf / on remove [11:01] <lathiat_> we'll also have to consider keeping them up to date after breezy [11:01] <lathiat_> ajmitch: yeh, exactly [11:02] <Yagisan> some of those things at apt-get.org aren't even redistributable [11:02] <siretart> next? [11:02] <Nafallo> could we have the sab on that aptgetorg meeting please? :-) [11:02] <lathiat_> Yagisan: sure, thats what we need to prune out [11:02] <ajmitch> Yagisan: I know, that's why we do license review as well [11:02] <ajmitch> Nafallo: we can try & get him here [11:02] <mvo> \sh: pong [11:02] <ajmitch> mvo! [11:02] <slomo> lathiat: how is the keeping up to date of these packages done? manual work? or automatic syncing? [11:02] <\sh> mvo: apt-get.org :) [11:02] <lathiat_> slomo: really needs to be manual i think to keep an eye on them [11:02] <\sh> mvo: ogra told me, you worked on the scripts with dholbach? [11:03] <lathiat_> slomo: just because it didnt contain problems before... [11:03] <mvo> \sh: yes [11:03] <mvo> ajmitch: hi! [11:03] <mvo> something wrong with it? [11:03] <\sh> mvo: ok...how is it working? [11:03] <ajmitch> mvo: the whole concept :) [11:03] <Mitario> hey mvo :) [11:03] <\sh> mvo: actually...we don't have the time and the power to do all reviewing of those packages and building the stuff, fixing for breezy [11:03] <siretart> and how much manual work does it involve? [11:03] <mvo> the whole concept of importing a random pile of (possilbe) junk? [11:04] <Nafallo> mvo: (and backdoors) [11:04] <Nafallo> ;-) [11:04] <\sh> and old kernels [11:04] <\sh> wow [11:04] <siretart> ogra! [11:04] <ajmitch> mvo: more or less [11:04] <ajmitch> ogra: welcome back [11:04] <lathiat_> siretart: get sources, compare to upstream, security/sanity check all the debian specific stuff, make sure it builds, check that its likely to be maintainable, do a license check and make sure its distributable [11:04] <ajmitch> hi Mez [11:04] <lathiat_> siretart: preferebly check the author is likely to maintian them [11:04] <ajmitch> lathiat_: the only problem is there can be > 1000 packages there [11:04] <ogra> no idea how long my line will work this time [11:04] <lathiat_> ajmitch: yup [11:04] <mvo> it's a sabdfl goal, so there is little room to argue. but it's certainly up to the reviewer to decide what to include and what not ... [11:04] <lathiat_> ajmitch: so (what i just said) * 1000 [11:05] <lathiat_> ajmitch: i think we can chop the list down a lot tho [11:05] <ajmitch> ogra: we're just talking about apt-get.org [11:05] <ajmitch> and then your no NEW packages [11:05] <lathiat_> ajmitch: without doing the whole process [11:05] <lathiat_> just check out what the package is, some stuff like kernel stuff can probably just be thrown out [11:05] <lathiat_> etc [11:05] <ajmitch> lathiat_: throwing out the obvious crap? [11:05] <lathiat_> ajmitch: yeh [11:05] <lathiat_> ajmitch: and then the less obvious obvious crap [11:05] <lathiat_> ajmitch: and then put effort into reviewing [11:06] <mvo> I would start with the stuff that actually builds and looks interessting. that should be a fairly short list ;) [11:06] <ajmitch> so we might only have 500 to review :) [11:06] <lathiat_> right [11:06] <ajmitch> mvo: I think that's about 10 :) [11:06] <ogra> hmpf, i have a lag around 25sec [11:06] <mvo> good start I guess :) [11:06] <lathiat_> ogra: nice [11:06] <\sh> mvo: x86 is no problem...but amd64/ppc this will be funny...without a working environment... [11:06] <siretart> mvo: can I have a look at your apt-get.org scripts? [11:06] <lathiat_> siretart: they are linked of AptGetOrg, are they not the right ones? [11:07] <siretart> lathiat_: ah, moment [11:07] <mvo> lathiat_: they should be the right ones, but we also have a baz repository [11:08] <ajmitch> mmm, baz [11:08] <mvo> dholbach will be back soon and looking over the list is one of his personal breezy goals [11:08] <siretart> hmm [11:08] <Yagisan> siretart: they won't grab anything in a "sarge" repo [11:08] <mvo> \sh: we could arrange a test-building on a ppc machine I think [11:09] <ajmitch> mvo: I've got a ppc box, but it might be a bit slow :) [11:09] <ajmitch> the raw power of a 400MHz G3 [11:09] <lathiat_> bah ppc is outdated anyway [11:09] <lathiat_> its all about intel now [11:09] <Nafallo> ;-) [11:09] <mvo> ajmitch: heh :) [11:09] <sistpoty> hm... does anyone know, whether pearpc or alikes could be used for test-environment? [11:09] <Nafallo> AMD :-) [11:09] <lathiat_> sistpoty: slow+++ [11:09] <Yagisan> sistpoty: No, I tried [11:09] <lathiat_> sistpoty: and then some [11:10] <bddebian> OK gang, sorry but have to run. I'll read the logs :-) [11:10] <ajmitch> sistpoty: maybe for breezy+12 [11:10] <\sh> bddebian: have fun [11:10] <sistpoty> cya bddebian [11:10] <slomo> ok, what exactly is breezy goal now? starting to work on the apt-get.org project or is this 1st priority and we have to do as much as possible? [11:10] <lathiat_> transitions are first priority [11:10] <mvo> the list was compiled with a amd64 as a build machine, so some basic checking of portability was done [11:10] <lathiat_> including unmets [11:11] <lathiat_> also reviewing fixed stuff [11:11] <ajmitch> yes, first priority is getting stuff built that we already have [11:11] <ajmitch> then we can look at stuff we don't have :) [11:12] <ogra> note that apt-get.org is a sabdfl requirement, we should hendle it with as high priority as we can [11:12] <siretart> ok [11:12] <lathiat_> ogra: yes, but i still think transitions shoudl come first [11:12] <\sh> ogra: first stablize the "already haves" then NEW apt-get [11:12] <siretart> ogra: how does that fit to no NEW packages? [11:12] <Nafallo> ogra: like after we does not have a broken universe? ;-) [11:12] <lathiat_> siretart: sideways :) [11:13] <ogra> siretart, i mean dont waste manpower in packaging funny new stuff... apt-get.org was in hoary, it should be in breezy as well [11:13] <Nafallo> s/does/do/ [11:13] <\sh> ogra: should I talk about it with sabdfl...thx to all the transitions we had, we, as team, have not enough time for all the packages [11:13] <siretart> ogra: aah. ok, now I understand [11:14] <Nafallo> \sh: what about having the sab on the aptgetorg-meeting after the transitions? [11:14] <mbreit> ogra: then uploading packages on revu is still okay? [11:14] <ogra> note that dholbach did apt-get.org alone in three weeks for hoary, its a task a team of two or three can do relatively fast... [11:14] <siretart> right [11:14] <siretart> so lets rediscuss this topic again in 2 weeks [11:14] <mvo> dholbach will probably work fulltime on it for some days/weeks [11:14] <siretart> we are busy enough with those 6 transitions [11:14] <Nafallo> agreed [11:15] <\sh> but building the packages is one thing, are they working as expected is the 2nd [11:15] <ogra> mvo, yes, but mdz requested it to be done early because these packages come in external and should recieve more testing then last time as i understood it [11:16] <mbreit> but again: so what's the opinion about uploading the packages which are already on revu? is that still okay? [11:17] <ogra> in any case it think we shouldnt waste manpower to NEW stuff, if external people come with packages its nice to have them in revu, but they should be aware that their packages might not make breezy [11:17] <mvo> ogra: agreed [11:17] <ajmitch> ogra++ [11:17] <Yagisan> what is said packages are both on apt-get.org, and in revu ? [11:17] <ajmitch> so spend less time reviewing on REVU, more time fixing? [11:17] <ogra> mbreit, we need to draw a line anywhere [11:17] <Yagisan> I can't be the only one [11:18] <ogra> we should always have the best package.... but that draws morw time since you need to compare [11:18] <siretart> ogra: I think its a bit unfair: ppl preparing packages on apt-get.org get packages in universe with one MOTU vote, and ppl using revu or wiki need 3 motus. I think that barrier should really be lowered [11:18] <\sh> imho it's better to have packages in revu then on apt-get.org...so we have to encourage the maintainers to come to us...and not we to them [11:18] <ajmitch> so what else do we have to talk about on this topic? [11:18] <sistpoty> ++ \sh [11:18] <lathiat_> siretart: thats next up [11:19] <lathiat_> siretart: reducing to 2 [11:19] <slomo> \sh: ++ [11:19] <mbreit> I still don't see the point in giving packages on apt-get.org a so much higher priority then the ones on revu.. [11:19] <\sh> The reasoning behind this is obvious: [11:19] <\sh> * [11:19] <\sh> let us have a look at those packages, provide them through Ubuntu and make sure people don't have to add random repositories to their /etc/apt/sources.list. [11:19] <ajmitch> mbreit: simple, it's a request from sabdfl :) [11:19] <\sh> backports issue in the past was a good example (not the same but ) [11:19] <ogra> \sh, still apt-get.org is a sabdfl request to attract the apt-get.org maintainers to join us, he's very serious about that [11:20] <Mitario> ajmitch, revolt ;-) [11:20] <Yagisan> can only the active apt-get.org repos be checked ? [11:20] <\sh> ogra: we don't want really kernel packages in universe which we never will use? [11:20] <siretart> well, sabdfl's request is clear, his intention too [11:20] <siretart> my proposal stands.. [11:21] <ajmitch> siretart: dropping the number of REVU votes required? [11:21] <siretart> ajmitch: yes [11:21] <ajmitch> or making every apt-get.org & revu review equal? :) [11:21] <siretart> or that, but I don't think that was the intention of sabdfl [11:21] <lathiat_> i think 2 is good [11:21] <slomo> ajmitch: imho they should be handled equal... or revu should be handled with less votes... but well ;) [11:22] <lathiat_> gives a second chance to pick up on things [11:22] <ajmitch> lathiat_: yes, but apt-get.org imports would be too slow if they all required 2 MOTU votes [11:22] <lathiat_> ajmitch: im talking about revu not apt-get [11:22] <ajmitch> lathiat_: I know [11:23] <lathiat_> apt-get shoudl be 1, but preferebly someone who knwos what theyre doing and not afraid to ask for opinions, esp security related [11:23] <ajmitch> but I suggested equal voting [11:23] <ajmitch> well dholbach knows what he is doing [11:23] <lathiat_> yes i dont doubt that [11:23] <Yagisan> but wouldn't apt-get.org be better quality, if two sets of eyes checked them out ? [11:23] <ajmitch> the rest of us just don't have that much time to commit [11:23] <siretart> revu reviewing is perhaps more easy and goes more quickly [11:23] <siretart> I wouldn't insist on equal vote, but 3 is imo too high [11:23] <ajmitch> at least with revu we have contact with the maintainers [11:24] <siretart> and after all: everyone in the revu keyring can sponsor packages to revu! [11:25] <sistpoty> i would go for 2 revu votes, just a stomache feeling however [11:26] <siretart> any objections? [11:26] <ajmitch> sistpoty: I'd be inclined to agree [11:26] <lathiat_> nerp [11:26] <Nafallo> 2 votes, we can always raise that number again :-) [11:26] <slomo> ok, i'm for two votes... and when that doesn't work we talk about it then ;) [11:27] <lathiat_> ok i think we're sold on that [11:27] <siretart> ok. then let's have ogra agreed, when his dsl get's better [11:27] <\sh> ogra: u as uber-motu :) give your sabdfl vote ,-) [11:27] <lathiat_> i think thats it as far as the agenda goes [11:28] <siretart> \sh: I think he is offline again :( [11:28] <lathiat_> haha [11:28] <siretart> there [11:28] <lathiat_> timing++ [11:28] <lathiat_> its back [11:28] <ajmitch> there's still jblack's singing & dancing demo [11:28] <lathiat_> yes also the next meeting [11:28] <siretart> lathiat_: 2 weeks [11:28] <lathiat_> could the next meeting please be at leat +/- 4 hours of this one? or not? :) [11:28] <siretart> jblack: ping? [11:29] <jblack> Right here [11:29] <siretart> cool! :) [11:29] <\sh> ok...2005-09-07? [11:29] <ajmitch> \sh: yes, what time? [11:29] <\sh> i don't mind...I have holiday :) [11:29] <ajmitch> :P [11:29] <lathiat_> 1600, or 0000 on the 8th. :) [11:30] <lathiat_> 1600 so ajmitch can get up at 4 :) [11:30] <\sh> so [11:30] <ajmitch> evil lathiat_ :P [11:30] <\sh> lets say again: 22:00 UTC? [11:30] <lathiat_> never! [11:30] <lathiat_> bah [11:30] <ajmitch> lathiat_: what, 6am too hard for you? ;) [11:30] <lathiat_> oh well i have no uni on thursdays [11:30] <lathiat_> \sh: ok [11:30] <Mitario> hmm, late for us europeans ;) [11:31] <lathiat_> we should just rotate the meeting 8 hours each meeting :) [11:31] <\sh> Mitario: think I have to be back in office tomorrow morning at 4:00 UTC :) latest [11:31] <Mitario> 6:00 [11:32] <Mitario> but don't mind ;) [11:32] <\sh> ok....that's setteled [11:32] <\sh> 2005-09-07 22:00 UTC? [11:32] <lathiat_> ok [11:32] <lathiat_> that works [11:32] <Mitario> fine by me :) [11:32] <sistpoty> no objections [11:32] <ajmitch> if we must :) [11:32] <siretart> ok [11:32] <Mitario> too bad I didn't follow this whole meeting :( sorry for that guys [11:32] <lathiat_> trust ajmitch to spoil the fun [11:33] <lathiat_> Mitario: you can read my super-cool summary [11:33] <Mitario> altough I unsderstood bout 60% of it ;) [11:33] <Mitario> lathiat, ok great :) [11:33] <lathiat_> wonder i if i can fit it in 384 bytes [11:33] <\sh> i updated motumeeting page [11:33] <\sh> jblack: your stage :) [11:33] <jblack> Ok guys. [11:33] <Mitario> will the todo be updated priority-wise? [11:33] <jblack> First and foremost: I think ubuntu should return to its roots -- and then some -- by including an issue of Playboy with each cd release. [11:34] <lathiat_> you know [11:34] <lathiat_> i think your onto something there [11:34] <jblack> Now that I've got your attention.. :) [11:34] <Mitario> w00t [11:34] <Nafallo> lol [11:34] <siretart> absolutley :) [11:34] <jblack> For those of you that don't know me, I'm James Blackwell. I've been a free software developer for quite some time, currently work for canonical. I have a variety of resposibilities at work, one of which is bazaar adoption and mindshare. [11:35] <jblack> In personal life, I'm a single father and _very_ heady coffee drinker. :) [11:35] <jblack> I asked Ogra, who was kind enough to accept, for this opportunity to speak with you guys quickly (less than 10 minutes, ajmitch)... [11:36] <jblack> As many of you probably know, canonical sponsors ubuntu, launchpad and bazaar. [11:36] <jblack> These are all good things. (If you want proof, take a look at the crack team we have sitting here right now for MOTU) [11:37] <jblack> What I need to do, and hope you guys can help me with, is talk to projects, particularly smaller ones, about Bazaar. [11:37] <siretart> so you need testers? [11:37] <jblack> You guys are pretty well connected in the free software arena, and would know of projects that could really use bazaar. [11:37] <Mitario> I guess just marketing? [11:38] <janimo> jblack, do you import svn archives on request? [11:38] <jblack> janimo: We sure do. [11:38] <lathiat_> jblack: who do we talk to about that? [11:38] <lathiat_> jblack: (I assume we're talking about the regular sync thing) [11:38] <jblack> lathiat: Any of the bazaar team. I'm probably best. [11:39] <janimo> I'd like xfce in arch.ubuntu.com :) [11:39] <lathiat_> jblack: svn://svn.0pointer.de/avahi thanks. :) [11:39] <jblack> Anyways, over the next couple weeks I'll be talking with each one of you. I'll generally ask two questions from each of you: [11:39] <Mitario> let him go on with the talk :) [11:39] <siretart> jblack: can you explain in short about the status of hct? I see there is a mailing list, but it is empty [11:39] <jblack> 1. what sort of projects are you aware of/invovled in that could potentailly benefit from bazaar. [11:40] <jblack> 2. would you be willing to introduce me to these people in a friendly sort of way, so that I can talk to them, give them the good and the bad. [11:40] <ajmitch> hm, tough sell [11:41] <jblack> That's my problem. :) [11:41] <ajmitch> getting people to switch is a big move [11:41] <Mitario> hmm, I would happy to switch my own projects.. [11:41] <lathiat_> yeh note the "smaller projects" part :) [11:41] <Mitario> and some of my friends [11:41] <lathiat_> easier to convince [11:41] <jblack> Yeah, it can. People get used to a certain way of doing things, and don't like the risk of change. [11:41] <lathiat_> jblack: tried kde? :) [11:41] <Mitario> haha [11:41] <jblack> Its part of my job to make it easy for them to change without feeling worried. [11:41] <ajmitch> hence the number of people still using CVS :) [11:41] <lathiat_> ugh cvs [11:41] <jblack> lathiat: Using it now, as a matter of fact. :) [11:42] <Mitario> jblack, hmm, that's cool [11:42] <lathiat_> jblack: ha, funny. ;p [11:42] <ajmitch> people don't often like to learn new tools, either [11:42] <\sh> jblack: first of all, thx for your time :) but, how do u want to fight against the software, which is moving from old style CVS towards new stylish SVN? [11:42] <Yagisan> Do you have a "bazaar for dummies" ? [11:42] <jblack> The ideal targets are projects that either A) dislike the revision control system that they are using, B) projects using CVS or SVN, and C) projects not using an rcs at all. [11:42] <janimo> especially that baz has tla legacy of worst UI on earth according to some [11:42] <jblack> Yagisan: I'd be happy to walk you through it, *personally*, though you'll owe me. :) [11:43] <jblack> Ok. As promised, less than 10 minutes. :) [11:43] <ajmitch> Yagisan: put aside some beer money :) [11:43] <jblack> The rest of this is just q&a until people get bored, or you guys drive me to drink. :) [11:43] <Nafallo> siretart: lol [11:43] <ajmitch> I'm sure it won't take much driving :) [11:43] <Mitario> jblack, wow, that's great, i would love to get some more instruction about baz/bzr some time [11:43] <jblack> Ok. the first question was along the lines of 'what is bazaars status' [11:43] <\sh> jback: single fathers do not drink ,-) (coffee is ok btw...I'm as well a caffeine junky) [11:43] <janimo> jblack, would something like first importing and tracking 3rd party stuff in baz [11:44] <janimo> and then trying to convince the devels on eby one? [11:44] <lathiat_> jblack: can bazaar keep track of where you merged last and figure out what to try and merge (if you want it to just try to 'merge all') [11:44] <ajmitch> jblack: the other question that people will ask is 'why should I switch'? [11:44] <ajmitch> lathiat_: sure [11:44] <jblack> janimo: As a matter of fact, we have 500 imported right now. When I'm done here, I'm going to double check the gnome stuff is imported. [11:44] <lathiat_> good [11:44] <lathiat_> cus its pissing me off with svn [11:44] <lathiat_> having to tell it what to merge [11:44] <ajmitch> lathiat_: it merges revisions & keeps track of them, unlike svn [11:45] <ajmitch> I've mainly been using bazaar-ng for my small needs [11:45] <siretart> jblack: imported where? is there a list of imported projects? [11:45] <jblack> Current status is thus: Bazaar has two major versions right now: a 1.x and a 2.x. The 1.x is derived from tla with a metric-crapload of fixes. :) [11:45] <jblack> sirtart: You can see them at http://bazaar.ubuntu.com, or search for them at http://www.sourcecontrol.net [11:46] <jblack> Bazaar 1.x is a _huge_ improvement over tla. It performs quite a bit better, and has a much cleaner interface. HOwever, the old underlying models are still present. [11:46] <jblack> Bazaar 2.x is a full redesign. It keeps the distributed nature of bazaar (Woohoo!) and drops all of the complicated crap that everyone hated (double woohoo!) [11:46] <ajmitch> 2.x is still immature, has missing functionality, but is still really good & usable [11:46] <jblack> However, bazaar 2.x is currently at 0.0.6... so, its not entirely there yet. [11:46] <Mitario> so 2.x is not derived from tla anymore? [11:46] <ajmitch> Mitario: rewrite & redesign, in python [11:47] <\sh> bazaar 2.x was this python rewrite? [11:47] <Mitario> ok [11:47] <\sh> ah yes [11:47] <jblack> No. 2.x is a full fresh start. We kept the good stuf, and threw out the crap. :) [11:47] <ajmitch> \sh: more a redesign than a rewrite [11:47] <jblack> We took lessons from tla, bazaar, monitone... even bitkeeper. [11:47] <ajmitch> & the current hot favourites, git & darcs :) [11:47] <\sh> ajmitch: let me take a guess.. 1.x is incompatible to 2.x? [11:47] <ajmitch> \sh: currently, yes [11:48] <lathiat_> Well, I'll be imprtessed when monotone maintains its tree with bzr. :) [11:48] <jblack> 1.x does not interoperate from 2.x. However, we promise that there's a migration path. [11:48] <\sh> jblack: so right now, baz should be used until bzr becomes stable... [11:48] <jblack> So if you go to bazaar 1.x today, you'll be able to convert to bazaar 2.x when its ready (it'll be getting close on halloween (oct 31), and it should be ready on new year's) [11:49] <jblack> \sh: It depends upon the project, and what the project needs, really. [11:49] <Mitario> is bzr enough for simple 1-person project which is just stored on some remote server? [11:49] <jblack> For small, independant projects, bazaar 2 is already probably useful. [11:49] <jblack> For multi-team projects, it probably needs a bit more [11:49] <ajmitch> Mitario: no remote push as yet, you'd need to rsync your tree [11:50] <Mitario> ah [11:50] <Mitario> because I always work on my projects from home and from work [11:50] <\sh> jblack: when I see todays projects (small ones or even bigger ones like kde) I would like to see an easy way for distributed repositories (like bitkeeper) [11:50] <Mitario> and I place them on the work server [11:50] <Mitario> so I can update the code from there [11:50] <Mitario> so I would have to use baz for that [11:50] <jblack> The key part, though, is I'd *love* for you guys to introduce me ("hey, here's this guy jblack. He works on bazaar. I think you and he should talk") sort of stuff. [11:51] <ajmitch> "and he plays a mean game of Mao" [11:51] <jblack> I'm no kinnison [11:51] <siretart> jblack: can you comment on hct? what is it? whats the status? [11:51] <jblack> Here's what I can say about hct... [11:51] <\sh> jblack: I played with baz a bit...and when I remember one thing,than how to store the repository on a server...via webdav, right? [11:52] <ajmitch> \sh: or sftp [11:52] <jblack> It looks really frigging cool, it looks really awesomely promising, and where it sits today exactly, I have no clue. :) \ [11:52] <Mitario> \sh, i thought you could just sftp the server with archive-mirror? [11:52] <jblack> I'll get with Scott though and get an update of its status. [11:52] <Mitario> what IS hct actually? sorry :) [11:52] <jblack> hct is the hypothetical changeset tool. [11:52] <siretart> lol [11:52] <Mitario> uhh right.. [11:52] <siretart> I love that name :) [11:53] <ajmitch> deeply tied in with launchpad, I believe [11:53] <Mitario> very descriptive ;-) [11:53] <jblack> Once hct is complete, its going to change the life of every single ubuntu developer, and probably the life of most distro developers over time. [11:53] <ajmitch> allows for _easy_patching & merging of packages [11:53] <Mitario> ah cool [11:53] <jblack> Basically, yeah. When you get right down to it, its a package patch tracker that's built just to ease tracking upstreams. [11:54] <\sh> siretart: can we arrange a webfrontend for baz/bzr in trac/revu2? ,-) [11:54] <Mitario> sorry guys, I have to get to school tomorrow [11:54] <lathiat_> revu2 with launchpad+bzr integration FTW [11:54] <Mitario> jblack, thanks for the explanation and question answering [11:54] <siretart> \sh: first I want to understand how to USE baz [11:54] <\sh> Mitario: cu :) and thx for attending :) [11:54] <mvo> bye Mitario [11:54] <jblack> mitario: Thanks for hanging out so long. Good luck in class. [11:54] <Mitario> jblack, is it allright to come with you for questions? [11:54] <\sh> siretart: there is a good howto [11:54] <Mitario> or a quick-guide? [11:54] <jblack> (I suggest white eye shadow on the eyelids with fake eyes penciled in) [11:54] <siretart> \sh: where? [11:54] <Mitario> jblack, hehe ;) [11:55] <jblack> Absolutely! [11:55] <siretart> bye Mitario [11:55] <sistpoty> cya Mitario [11:55] <jblack> Anybody that thinks they can't approach me at any time for *anything* should approach me and tell me why. :) [11:55] <Mitario> bye everyone, i'll be here tomorrow for some quick MOTU start guides, if that's allright :) [11:55] <Mitario> eh, in -motu i mean [11:56] <\sh> siretart: http://bazaar.canonical.com/ [11:56] <Mitario> cheers, gn [11:56] <siretart> jblack: is there some baz channel where e.g. package maintainers can ask stupid questions about how to use baz? [11:56] <\sh> siretart: http://bazaar.canonical.com/HelpForBeginners [11:56] <jblack> There's several, and any of them will work. [11:57] <\sh> forget the 2nd link ;-) [11:57] <siretart> hrhr [11:57] <lathiat_> \sh: err, i know how to use a wiki ;p [11:57] <lathiat_> haha [11:57] <lathiat_> one thing i liked about b az [11:57] <jblack> There's #bazaar for 1.x (and eventually 2.x), #bzr for bazaar 2. I also hang out in #arch (who I'm trying to slowly migrate to #bazaar) [11:57] <lathiat_> i can changelog on the fly [11:57] <lathiat_> with svn i have to write them down [11:57] <lathiat_> annoys the crap out of me [11:57] <\sh> jblack: most of the stuff from baz 1.x comes from gnu arch..so the handling is just like this tool [11:57] <jblack> I'm also happy with private messages. [11:57] <lathiat_> or go back and review my diff [11:58] <jblack> \sh: Its similiar, though some of the worst parts have been taken out. [11:58] <jblack> For example, star-merge was replaced by a mesh merge, which lets anybody just merge with anybody else (its not flawless though) [11:58] <jblack> Also, there's a branch command. [11:58] <jblack> A lot of those "why does it do what I say, not what I mean" sort of stuff has been fixed up. _loads_ of that. [11:59] <\sh> jblack: ok...lets say, there is a SVN repos [11:59] <\sh> jblack: and some devs are using a local baz repos but the main line will stay with svn, for web display etc. (as I said, all repos web apps are moving to svn, because it's easy) [11:59] <jblack> I think we can agree there is _a_ SVN repos. :) [12:00] <\sh> how do they merge there local repos to the main one? and I think that's the worst part [12:00] <jblack> Ahh. How do you handle the merging between the two disimiliar archives? [12:00] <\sh> jblack: bingo :) [12:00] <jblack> Yeah. [12:01] <jblack> The same way third parties normally have to merge with svn. [12:01] <jblack> They hand a diff off to a project god somewhere. [12:01] <jblack> If they happen to be a comittable svn user as well, they can probably sneak through dual managed trees as well. :) [12:01] <\sh> ok manual work most of the time... [12:02] <\sh> loosing the history as well [12:02] <\sh> -o [12:02] <siretart> maybe a stupid question, but still: I see that baz is great at branching but what cool features does it have for resolving conflicts? [12:02] <jblack> We support three way diff markers, of course. [12:03] <jblack> so if there's a conflicted file, you just look at the two conflicted parts in context and pick the best one. [12:03] <siretart> like this 3way mergetool to bitkeeper? [12:03] <jblack> We also have a conflict resolution tracker built in (I wrote that one. :) [12:03] <jblack> So you can tell baz whether or not you've fixed a conflict. [12:03] <jblack> Not like the integrated editor one, no. [12:04] <siretart> ah, ok. I see [12:04] <jblack> A three way conflict is easy to see. [12:04] <jblack> It goes something like this: [12:04] <jblack> code [12:04] <jblack> <<<<< [12:04] <jblack> conflict 1 [12:04] <jblack> [12:04] <jblack> conflict 2 [12:04] <jblack> >>>> [12:04] <jblack> more code [12:04] <\sh> like cvs [12:04] <jblack> You edit the file, and you see that right at the place of the conflict. [12:04] <jblack> Yeah, I think cvs has something similiar. [12:05] <siretart> mmh, would it also be possible to make use of external mergers, like xemacs or xxdiff? [12:05] <jblack> I'd like to mention that CVS traveled into the future (relative to them), and stole the idea from us. [12:05] <\sh> adding / deleting directories is also a topic..svn does it correct, removes directories when u want it...and not like cvs..how about baz/bzr [12:06] <jblack> If the tools can handle it, then it should work fine. [12:06] <jblack> adding and removing dirs works great in bazaar. if you wipe out a directory, its deleted. [12:06] <jblack> if yo uadd a directory, you baz add it.

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.808780

2005-08-29-#ubuntu-toolchain

[03:55] <infinity> elmo : Danke. [04:04] <infinity> Oh, well, that worked smashingly. [04:07] <infinity> Much better. [04:09] <elmo> pls to be fixing live + di builds too [04:09] <elmo> I realise you're probably on it, I just don't want it to get forgotten [04:09] <elmo> as I think mdz would be unamused by a G5-only colony 4 [04:13] <infinity> Heh. [04:13] <infinity> More interestingly, we don't have linux32 on warty. [04:14] <elmo> what's it linux32-ing in the chroot? [04:15] <elmo> can't it just linux32 the chroot call? [04:15] <infinity> That's the way build_env_cmnd works, it calls "exec linux32 dpkg-buildpackage" in the chroot. [04:15] <infinity> But I suppose we could just run buildd itself under linux32 in the base. [04:15] <infinity> Don't see why that wouldn't work. [04:16] <elmo> well, except then we can't exclude packages [04:16] <elmo> not sure if we need to or not [04:17] <infinity> I can't see why we'd want to. [04:17] <elmo> some things want to be built on a powerpc64? [04:17] <elmo> maybe they don't check and/or care [04:17] <infinity> linux32 only changes the behaviour of uname, not much else. Anything that wants/needs to build 64-bit binaries still can, it just needs to explicitly call gcc -m64 [04:17] <elmo> but I don't know if gcc -m64 works when uname returns ppc [04:18] <elmo> I know the debian kernel package breaks with sparc32 [04:18] <elmo> dunno who's fault that is tho [04:18] <infinity> Well, the kernel tries to autoguess what target to build for by looking at uname. [04:18] <infinity> But that can be forced, as we do in our kernel builds. [04:19] <infinity> (Hence how we've been building ppc64 kernels just fine on ppc32 until now) [04:19] <elmo> ok [04:19] <elmo> well, I've got a b-at run pending anyway, so I guess we'll find out [04:19] <elmo> *mutter* die postgres die *mutter [04:19] <infinity> So, yeah. If proper packaging assumes the machine will always return sparc/powerpc/hppa, and not sparc64/powerpc64/hppa64, then the whole buildd should be linux32'd anyway. [04:20] <infinity> (or is that parisc/parisc64?... I can never remember) [04:20] <infinity> Now, the only question is where it's best to implement that, so people can't shoot themselves in the feet by accidentally restarting without the linux32 call. [04:21] <infinity> I suppose buildd's call to sbuild would be a safe bet. [04:39] <infinity> Alright, that should do it. [04:40] <infinity> Now the only remaining question is if I should just hardcode it for powerpc/sparc/hppa, and make the buildd package depend on linux32 on those arches. [04:40] <infinity> Which may be more sane than a wishy-washy, I-might-forget-to-set-it config option. [04:41] <elmo> does linux32 work/exist on sparc? [04:41] <elmo> debian uses 'sparc32' from sparcutils instead [04:41] <infinity> It works on sparc just fine. [04:41] <infinity> sparc32 exists because it was the first kernel to implement personalities. [04:42] <elmo> ok [04:42] <infinity> linux32 is the genericisation of that. [04:42] <elmo> I reckon hardcode and depend on then
.. That feels more right to me. [04:43] <infinity> I can have a config option to let you override it, should you feel the strange desire (ie: call linux64 instead of linux32, to force an all-64-bit buildd) [04:43] <elmo> argh [04:43] <elmo> you andreas jochens fan boy [04:44] <infinity> Heh. [04:44] <infinity> It's more just the thought that anything being autoconfigured in buildd/sbuild should be reasonably overridable, and the defaults should be sane. [04:44] <infinity> linux32 feels like the sane default, but who knows if we may want to throw up a buildd with the reverse config some day "just cause". [04:47] <infinity> Oh, feh. We should also promote linux32 to main. [04:48] <elmo> boggle [04:48] <elmo> god yes [04:48] <elmo> christ I missed the deadline for "get these things into main" AGAIN [04:51] <infinity> Will mdz demand a MainInclusionReport for this, or do you want to just seed it? [04:51] <elmo> uh, I dunno, I suppose we should ask [04:51] <elmo> if I abuse my dak supah powahs, it makes it harder for me to shout at him rm-ing random files
... No big deal if it doesn't get seeded, I guess, but I consider linux32 a necessary part of package development on 32/64 platforms. [04:55] <infinity> I don't suppose we have a hoary-cat yet? ;) [05:05] <lamont> jbailey: wth is springgraph/ [05:05] <lamont> ? [05:05] <jbailey> It's a graphviz clone. [05:05] <jbailey> Why are3 you asking me? =) [05:05] <lamont> because you're Mr CDBS, ofcourse [05:06] <elmo> infinity: no, sorry, meh [05:06] <elmo> I really want that myself [05:55] <infinity> Lamont picked a fine time to kill his connection. [06:01] <infinity> Oh well, guess I'll manually roll these changes out for now, and lamont can clean up with a proper release later. [06:01] <infinity> (ps: did I mention how much I'd love hoary-cat?) [06:06] <infinity> Alright, buildds are all back up and happy. live and d-i next. [06:07] <infinity> elmo : Thanks for this, by the way. I'm fairly certain it was desperately needed. [06:07] <infinity> I'll do a mass give-back in a bit and see how many failures mysteriously clear up. [06:51] <infinity> There, live and DI are fixed up too. [07:09] <fabbione> morning [07:28] <fabbione> jbailey, doko, elmo: any chance to get binutils fixed asap? [07:29] <fabbione> (for sparc i mean) [07:50] <doko> morning fabbione [07:52] <doko> elmo: please install libgl1-mesa-dev and libglu1-mesa-dev on davis/breezy, the xlibmesa packages were not removed automatically [08:04] <fabbione> doko: yo [08:04] <fabbione> doko: i start to be under pressure with binutils [08:04] <fabbione> after seb uploaded all of gnome again, almost all of it is FTBFS due to that problem [08:06] <doko> fabbione: understood [08:06] <fabbione> thanks [08:07] <doko> elmo: do you have a pre-unstable version of the patch available, that we can apply for sparc (maybe hppa) only? [08:07] <fabbione> doko: afaik the patch is required for sparc and hppa.. [08:07] <fabbione> and alpha.. [08:07] <fabbione> but we don't have alpha so ENOCARE [12:19] <infinity> fabbione : Alright, do you want to know how to fix mesa for sparc? [12:19] <fabbione> infinity: nope... [12:19] <fabbione> or better.. [12:19] <fabbione> yes i want to know [12:19] <fabbione> because i don't know how to [12:20] <infinity> Actually, I'm sure you can figure it out. :) [12:20] <infinity> Anyhow, three simple steps: [12:20] <infinity> 1: Build libdrm_1.0.3-2 (which just showed up in wanna-build) [12:20] <infinity> 2: preseed your chroot with reasonably recent libglu1-mesa-dev, libgl1-mesa-dev, mesa-common-dev. [12:21] <infinity> 3: build mesa_6.3.2-0ubuntu2 [12:21] <infinity> 4: Never have to worry about build-dep loops again, cause the most recent mesa no longer has any. [12:21] <fabbione> 2) <- i don't have any recent libglu1-mesa-dev libgl1-mesa-dev, mesa-common-dev. [12:21] <fabbione> or are they arch: all??? [12:21] <infinity> mesa-common-dev is arch:all, the others are arch:any, that's where the problem was. [12:22] <fabbione> infinity: i don't think i even have them anywhere... [12:22] <infinity> If you haven't built mesa for a week or more, you shouldn't be hooped in the first place, since you can build against libgl1-xorg-dev and such. [12:22] <fabbione> libglu1-mesa_6.3.1.1-0ubuntu1_sparc.deb [12:23] <fabbione> this is the most recent one i have [12:23] <infinity> That looks recent to me. [12:23] <fabbione> hmmm [12:23] <fabbione> it might have built while i was sleeping [12:23] <fabbione> and i missed it.. [12:23] <infinity> Install that, plus the matching libgl1-mesa, plus the matching -dev packages, plus mesa-common-dev, ann in the same versions. [12:23] <infinity> s/ann/all/ [12:23] <infinity> Once the new mesa has been built, you can clean them out of your chroot, and life resumes as normal. [12:24] <fabbione> infinity: well as soon as i build the new mesa i should be fine... [12:24] <infinity> Right, once you have the new mesa, you're fine. But you need the old to build the new (hence the problem) [12:24] <infinity> And the old has exact version deps between arch:any and arch:all packages. [12:24] <fabbione> ok, but it seems i have the old ones... [12:24] <fabbione> AHH CRAP [12:24] <fabbione> ok [12:25] <infinity> Right. :) [12:25] <infinity> If you don't have the old arch:all .deb lying around, you can --force-depends with a more recent version just long enough to get the new mesa built and you'll be fine. [12:25] <infinity> Just keep in mind that you need libdrm first, cause mesa build-deps on it. [12:26] <fabbione> yup... [12:26] <fabbione> doing it [12:26] <fabbione> -2 ? [12:27] <fabbione> yeah.. it's not in my local archive yet... [12:27] <fabbione> i need to wait for it [12:27] <infinity> Yeah, -2. [12:27] <infinity> -1 was a little bit broken. Just a tad. [12:28] <fabbione> ehehe [06:13] <elmo> infinity/lamont: breezy-at is finally going, FYI [06:23] <infinity> elmo : Yay. Does this mean I can bug you about hoary-cat again? ;) [06:27] <elmo> christing bananas [06:27] <elmo> adelie's going nuts trying to cope with all the logs [06:27] <elmo> (fails, I assume) [06:28] <infinity> I only have 178 -autotest failures in my INBOX so far. [06:28] <infinity> But if they're all backlogged, I guess I'll see more. :) [06:29] <elmo> well, it's sending to lamont [06:29] <elmo> probably over, like a piece of string, by way of alsaka or something
 [06:30] <infinity> Yeah, mine all go to a host in a datacenter with multiple GigE carriers and a 100Mbit port on the box. [06:30] <infinity> So, I doubt I'm a bottleneck. [06:30] <infinity> Of course, then I access said mail via IMAP from my tin cans and string in Australia, but let's not split hairs. [06:38] <lamont-away> elmo: it's sending over a straw of 25kbps, which it shares with the upload/download queue for the buildd [06:39] <lamont-away> so it's not _quite_ string and tin-cans [06:39] <jbailey> lamont-away: Haven't you moved that under your desk at work yet? =) [06:39] <lamont-away> jbailey: there's another one under the desk, which gets _VERY_ annoyed at HP's proxies [06:39] <lamont-away> which are "transparent" [06:40] <lamont-away> and given bandwidth available at the site, I think elmo would be conflicted about whether I should set up shop there... [06:43] <elmo> buildd mail isn't going to hurt gluck [06:43] <lamont-away> it's more the up/down loads of the buildd [06:44] <elmo> dude, I ran two buildds on a 2Mb connection [06:44] <elmo> your two debian buildds in fact :) [06:44] <lamont-away> ah, ok. I'll like move it then [06:51] <lamont-away> infinity: you upload a buildable mesa yet? :-) [06:52] <lamont-away> ah, daniels uploaded... maybe ubuntu3 will build for me. [06:52] <infinity> lamont-away : Oh, you'll need to handhold it once. [06:52] <lamont-away> grrrrrr [06:52] <lamont-away> but only once? [06:52] <infinity> lamont-away : Make sure the latest libdrm is built first. [06:53] <lamont-away> oh, that part is fine. [06:53] <lamont-away> it was the circular build-dep on itself that was annoying me most [06:53] <infinity> lamont-away : Then pre-seed a chroot with reasonably recent libgl1-mesa-dev, libglu1-mesa-dev, mesa-common-dev, libgl1-mesa, libglu1-mesa. [06:53] <infinity> lamont-away : Then build the most recent mesa, and you'll never see this loop again (cause it's gone) [06:53] <lamont-away> woohoo!!!! [06:54] <infinity> lamont-away : Can't avoid the circular build-dep loop until you have the new one built, obviously. So, once you've done the preseed dance, you're fine from here on in. [06:55] <lamont-away> thanks muchly [06:56] <lamont-away> elmo: the only other real challenge hppa has so far is that the following packages are in universe, but need to be in main: [06:56] <lamont-away> expect-tcl8.3-dev_5.43.0-2_hppa.deb expect-tcl8.3_5.43.0-2_hppa.deb expectk-tk8.3_5.43.0-2_hppa.deb gcc-3.4-hppa64_3.4.4-5ubuntu1_hppa.deb libgcc2_4.0.1-4ubuntu4_hppa.deb palo_1.9_hppa.deb [06:57] <doko> heh, yes, libgcc2 is nice to have :-) [06:58] <elmo> lamont: if you jump through the required hoops, I could/would [06:59] <elmo> well, at least for new source packages [06:59] <elmo> are any of those from packages already in main? [06:59] <lamont-away> gcc-3.4-hppa64 is from gcc-3.4, libgcc2 comes from 3.4 or 4.0 [06:59] <elmo> hmm, crap, the problem is germinate doesn't do hppa [06:59] <lamont-away> right [06:59] <elmo> how stable is hppa ATM? [06:59] <lamont-away> seems to be stable-ish [07:00] <lamont-away> buildd is running breezy [07:00] <lamont-away> hrm.. actually, hoary/breezy mix.. [07:00] <lamont-away> most things pinned at hoary [07:00] <elmo> I'll try adding hppa to germinate temporarily, see how bad the damage is [07:00] <elmo> are you using onion on hppa? [07:01] <lamont-away> yes [07:01] <elmo> ok [07:01] <infinity> lamont-away : Have you merged the patches I sent you to your arch archives? [07:01] <lamont-away> since the beginning of time (hoary archive on people was built using ogre-model) [07:01] <elmo> btw, I dunno how useful it is, but neuro's done auto-dep-wait in w-b [07:01] <lamont-away> infinity: I just read them a couple minutes ago [07:01] <lamont-away> elmo: yeah, we probably want to merge that in [07:01] <fabbione> infinity: patch to do what? [07:01] <infinity> elmo : Yeah, I was going to look at it and merge it if it looked decent. [07:02] <lamont-away> more merge our changes forward to his base [07:02] <lamont-away> or something like that [07:02] <infinity> lamont-away : Merging w-b in general is on my TODO anyway. [07:02] <lamont-away> right [07:02] <infinity> (The new faster DB access could be nice too, if elmo doesn't mind blowing away all the DBs in the process of upgrading) [07:02] <elmo> uhm [07:02] <elmo> heck yes I mind [07:03] <lamont-away> infinity: I'll get those patches you sent merged in sometime soon, and look at switching the master/mirror status of the archives around, albeit probably thu/fri [07:03] <elmo> neuro managed to transition them? [07:03] <infinity> Yeah, I believe he did. [07:03] <lamont-away> elmo: ISTR something from him about how he'd, um, managed to wind up doing a mass-give-back of everything... [07:03] <infinity> OTOH, we have very little history in our DB worth caring about, since we don't tend to fail many/any packages with informative messages. [07:03] <infinity> Yeah, he gave back everything in building. That was an oops. [07:04] <infinity> But he kept the entire failure history, that was the important bit for Debian. [07:04] <lamont-away> infinity: some days I actually reply with bug numbers... [07:04] <infinity> Not sure how much we care about that. [07:04] <lamont-away> but that tends to be packages that someone uploaded broken, and then didn' [07:04] <infinity> Rebuilding our DB's from scratch based on the archive state wouldn't really hurt us much. [07:04] <lamont-away> t fix for a few days [07:04] <lamont-away> back in a few [07:04] <elmo> infinity: I don't care about breezy [07:05] <elmo> I care slightly more about << breezy [07:05] <infinity> Ahh, yeah. I can see that. [07:05] <elmo> gar, germinate so slow [07:05] <infinity> Well, we can look into smooth upgrades when I find the round tuits required to exercise some WAB on infrastructure. [07:08] <elmo> ok, hppa's pulling in random crap [07:09] <elmo> Building : 1123 (buildd+rothera: 1093, buildd+terranova: 9, [07:10] <elmo> uhh [07:10] <elmo> someone might want to check on rothera [07:10] <infinity> I'm going to assume that's the good ol' "oh god, my apt md5sums are buggered, I'm going to depwait the world on debhelper" bug. [07:10] <elmo> no [07:10] <elmo> E: The package eclipse-ecj needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. [07:14] <elmo> oh crap, I forgot to trash the w-b databases [07:14] <elmo> now they're full of d-w, d-w-r, f and f-r [07:16] <infinity> Hrm, perhaps we should have made sure the breezy-at chroots were fresh, clean, and ready to go before firing up the run. [07:16] <infinity> Should we start this experiment over again? :) [07:17] <elmo> yeah, sounds like a plan [07:17] <infinity> lamont-away : How away are you actually right now? [07:18] <infinity> lamont-away : It's 3:17am for me, and I'm being dragged to bed. If you want to check/rebuild the -autotest chroots, that'd be cool. Otherwise, I should do it in the morning. [07:18] <infinity> elmo : Can you open the floodgates at the touch of a button after we clean stuff up and poke you? [07:18] <elmo> yeah [07:18] <elmo> I'm redoing the import process on rockhopper now [07:19] <elmo> so just yell whenever [07:19] <infinity> Alright. Let's call this a mind-boggling oops, then, and I'll check the chroots in the morning and make sure it's all good. [07:41] <lamont> not so away [07:42] <lamont> elmo/infinity: so we just need to nuke/rebuild the -autotest chroots? [07:44] <elmo> lamont: nuke might be a bit harsh, certainly check+sanitize tho [07:45] <lamont> yeah - but nuke is trivial.... :-) [07:45] <lamont> umount in a loop, build-chroot buildd breezy -autotest, fin. [07:46] <lamont> well, with a rm -rf after the umounts [07:48] <elmo> thanks [07:55] <lamont> first 4 done, second 8 cleaning now [07:55] <lamont> (new math) [08:07] <lamont> elmo: breezy-autotest thinks it's a 'go' as far as buildd's are concerned [08:09] <elmo> lamont: cool, thanks [08:38] <lamont> Subject: Log for failed build of glibc_2.3.5-1ubuntu10 (dist=breezy-autotest) [08:38] <lamont> grumble [08:39] <elmo> is that a genuine failure/ [08:40] <lamont> no... build-tree disappeared from under it. [08:40] <elmo> ah [08:40] <elmo> heh [08:40] <lamont> which could be me nuking it, or -1ubuntu11 got uploaded... [08:40] <lamont> probably the first [08:40] <elmo> hum? it's b-at [08:40] <elmo> I nuked everything from under it, w-b.. the archive.. [08:40] <lamont> elmo: what process do I need to follow for those debs to move to main? [08:41] <lamont> doh. b-at --> almost certainly the former. :-) [08:41] <elmo> see MainInclusionQueue on the wiki [08:41] <lamont> cool [08:41] <elmo> I think.. grepping for MainInclusion should give you some hints

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.821256

2005-08-29-#edubuntu

[01:55] <bob_> what is UTC time in relation to GMT? [01:57] <mpt> Normally identical, bob_ [01:58] <mpt> or I should say, nearly identical [01:58] <mpt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time [02:05] <bob_> ah, right, why not just say GMT then [02:06] <Burgundavia> bob_, GMT is very colonial [02:07] <bob_> I'm from a very colonial country [02:18] <bob_> hmm, well if I have done my GMT to standard time conversion right I should be here for the meeting, now off for some coffee... [02:49] <Moongirl^^> good day... [02:50] <Moongirl^^> can anybody assist me how to become root user w/ ubuntu? [02:51] <Burgundavia> wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo [02:51] <Burgundavia> it is not recommended [02:51] <Burgundavia> and #ubuntu is the main help channel [02:51] <Moongirl^^> ok, I will try it there.. thanks [10:20] <jsgotangco> hi JaneW , ogra [10:22] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco [10:23] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i've edited http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCookbook and it contains what we currently have although I hope i could upload somewhere an HTML of the cookbook [10:24] <jsgotangco> More than half of it is done already and needs some revisions but what we should wait is Jonathan's troubleshooting guide [10:26] <JaneW> jsgotangco: excellent thank-you [10:26] <JaneW> jsgotangco: did you see ogra's screenshots? [10:27] <ogra> http://www.grawert.net/edubuntu/ [10:27] <jsgotangco> i havent [10:28] <ogra> its the basic work for the edubuntu-artwork package [10:28] <ogra> just a first glance [10:28] <jsgotangco> ogra, can i send you the html of the docbook output of the cookbook? [10:28] <jsgotangco> and put it somewhere? [10:28] <ogra> sure [10:29] <jsgotangco> is this ogra colony? [10:31] <ogra> nope... thats not even uploaded yet... i'm not happy with the way we handle the gdm default theme change (overwrite the whole config) and try to find a better way before [10:31] <jsgotangco> man the fonts are beatiful [10:34] <ogra> i'm really sad we cant get nvu ... [10:35] <ogra> and i'm still struggling with quanta, which heavily relies on docs that arent in main... [10:35] <ogra> but the alternative would be screem, thats very complicated to use [10:44] <jsgotangco> ogra, what's the correct email? ogra@ubuntu.com or oliver.grawert? [10:45] <ogra> both work [10:46] <jsgotangco> sent [10:46] <ogra> thanks :) [10:50] <jsgotangco> its not yet complete but the structure is there, feel free to give comments [10:50] <jsgotangco> i may not know every feature that needs to be added [10:54] <ogra> hmm, the edubuntu lab ? [10:54] <jsgotangco> im guessing! [10:54] <jsgotangco> give me the correct term [10:55] <ogra> hmm [10:55] <ogra> i think you should drop the paragraph with the cages :) [10:56] <ogra> Ideally, the room is secured with a gate and burglar bars on the windows, and the really expensive components of the Edubuntu lab are locked away even further, in another room or in a cage. [10:56] <ogra> it might be appropriate for areas where you can expect pupils to steal the stuff... [10:57] <ogra> but i doubt you would have the hardware caged in germany... [10:59] <ogra> i think all this securing stuff is ery specific... [10:59] <jsgotangco> i can remove them all if needed [11:00] <ogra> remove or rewrite it a bit more generic... safety is good, but it wont be this strict in most areas [11:01] <jsgotangco> i can just rewrite for best safety practices instead of specifying the nuts and bolts as what they did in tuxlabs [11:02] <ogra> i also dont think a switch cabinet is mandantory [11:02] <jsgotangco> actually the whole lab layout can be omitted [11:04] <ogra> no, but it needs some adjustment for us.. [11:05] <ogra> i'm just flying over it currently... (we have ui freeze in 2 days... i should rather fix packages ;) ) [11:05] <jsgotangco> its ok im not optimistic of having this manual by october [11:05] <ogra> i'll look closer by the end of the week, just giving a first impression feedback now [11:05] <ogra> jsgotangco, i am... [11:06] <jsgotangco> thanks [11:06] <ogra> there will be not as much to do for me as now after preview, we'll have time to work on it [11:07] <ogra> and i'm fine with ignoring doc and artwork freeze for edubuntu [11:07] <jsgotangco> ok thats good to hear [11:07] <ogra> ...wont upset anyone if we do that in our own realm [11:07] <jsgotangco> is the structure/flow good enough? [11:08] <ogra> its like a howto... i like it [11:09] <ogra> its like a howto... i like it'm just lookig at the printing part... we dont use the http interface in ubuntu [11:09] <ogra> oops.... [11:10] <ogra> hmm, i'm not sure if i like to advise people to crimp their cables themselves... its very erroneous done by a inexperienced person [11:11] <ogra> the users and groups part should be worked out very detailed [11:12] <ogra> while the ltsp tftp ... configuration should be in place automatically after install ... we can either drop it or leave some generic descriptions how it works [11:13] <ogra> we also should have some generic notes about using synaptic to install/remove software [11:14] <ogra> much of this last troubleshhoting stuff relies on features that are still under development [11:14] <ogra> so we'll have to wait until they are fully implemented [11:15] <ogra> but its alerady very good :) [11:16] <jsgotangco> yes im fully aware that there so many differences between the tuxlabs and ours [11:16] <ogra> but its awesome for a start.... thanks :) [11:17] <jsgotangco> it would be much easier if i was not the only one doing heh, but there's no rush in my part, it can be done in time [11:17] <ogra> where is Burgundavia ? i thought he wanted to help you ? [11:18] <jsgotangco> he has a job lately [11:18] <ogra> oh, great to hear :) [11:23] <jsgotangco> i will probably be out for a few days i got invited to talk to a series of schools and at the same time spend some time with family on my birthday [11:24] <ogra> ok [12:07] <jsgotangco> oh! i see we have a meeting later [12:08] <ogra> oh, do we ? [12:08] <ogra> i also have a longish MOTU meeting today [12:09] <jsgotangco> NEXT MEETING: Wed 24 Aug 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. [12:09] <jsgotangco> i'll catch up later then, its grocey day [12:10] <jsgotangco> later guys [12:20] <DanielC> Greetings. Has anyone noticed that the instructions on http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation are numbered 1, 2, ... 9, 1, 2, ... ? [12:20] <DanielC> After 9 there should be a 10 and then an 11 :-) [12:21] <ogra> whoops [12:21] <ogra> my fault i guess [12:22] <DanielC> :-) [12:22] <ogra> ah, no Documentation... isnt my fault, phew :) [12:22] <DanielC> :-) [12:22] <ogra> but thats not appropriate for breezy anyway [12:23] <ogra> hoary is totally different.... [12:23] <DanielC> In any event, I'm stuck on step 10 (the one with a '2' next to it :) ). I don't know how to configure dhcpd to serve PXE/etherboot images. [12:23] <DanielC> I have hoary :-) [12:24] <DanielC> It looks like there is a sample dhcpd.conf file somewhere and someone just forgot to put the hyper-link. [12:24] <ogra> i thought you followed http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting [12:24] <ogra> its a lot easier [12:24] <ogra> (no brainer install) [12:24] <DanielC> really? Ok, I'll follow those instead :-) [12:25] <DanielC> This is my first time doing this, so no one expects me to get it all right the first time. :-) [12:26] <DanielC> We made a deal with the local school. They don't pay for the service, and they let us learn us use their computers to learn how to setup thin clients. [12:26] <ogra> the breezy install is done in 8 steps [12:26] <ogra> are they PXE boot capable ? [12:26] <DanielC> Oh, good. The Hoary one is more complicated than that. [12:27] <DanielC> We can get ethernet cards with etherboot ROMs. [12:27] <ogra> ah... [12:28] <ogra> i aim to have the installation down to 3 steps max in the end for breezy [12:28] <DanielC> cool [12:28] <DanielC> That would be awesome. [12:29] <ogra> i.e. getting the CD, boot it,adding a admin user, and giving the ip range for the dhcp server [12:29] <DanielC> how do I pick a range? [12:30] <DanielC> I wouldn't know what to pick. [12:30] <ogra> probably a question which interface does what will be needed, if you use two... [12:30] <DanielC> 192.168.0.x I guess... [12:30] <ogra> there will always be sane defaults [12:30] <DanielC> good, I like sane defaults... [12:30] <ogra> so you just have to hit enter and have a working environment... [12:31] <ogra> i think it will ask for start of the range (i.e. 192.168.0.10), end of the range (i.e. 192.168.0.50) and the default gw (i.e. 192.168.0.1) [12:31] <DanielC> I assume that the Edubuntu server is a DHCP server... point being, we should remove the current windows DHCP server, right? [12:32] <ogra> you shouldnt run both in the same network.... [12:32] <DanielC> Ok, that's what I expected. [12:32] <DanielC> I've told everyone that they'll have to make the windows server not serve DHCP. [12:33] <ogra> do you have 2 NICs in the ltsp server ? [12:33] <DanielC> I can... [12:33] <DanielC> do I need 2? [12:33] <DanielC> I can just pop in another one. [12:34] <ogra> then you can have one for the thin clinet network and one to talk to the win network... [12:34] <ogra> so they dont need to shut down the windows dhcp server ;) [12:34] <DanielC> ah [12:34] <DanielC> Ok, I'll do that then. [12:35] <DanielC> So it'd be: windows network ---> Edubuntu ---> thinclients [12:35] <DanielC> right? [12:35] <ogra> yup [12:35] <DanielC> ok, thanks for the tip. [12:35] <ogra> you'll need to set up forwarding (NAT) on the server for the thin clients though... if the should be able to see the windows network [12:36] <DanielC> I have never done forwarding before... [12:39] <ogra> its not hard... [12:39] <ogra> there are plenty of howtos for it... [12:40] <DanielC> My team-mate says that removing DHCP from the windows server is easy. So, maybe we'll just use one NIC and let Linux be the DHCP server. [12:40] <DanielC> That's what I had in mind. [12:40] <ogra> ok, as you like... [12:40] <ogra> :) [12:41] <DanielC> I'll learn NAT forwarding next time I do this :) [12:41] <ogra> heh [12:42] <ogra> i think its common to have two NICs in the ltsp server if you are connected to a outbound network with it [12:42] <ogra> one for the thin clients and one connected to the network that routes you to the internet [12:47] <DanielC> ok [12:47] <DanielC> If I have two NICs but don't do anything else, will Edubuntu serve DHCP through both NICs? [01:10] <JaneW> ***Reminder*** Edubuntu Dev Update Meeting in 50 Minutes on #ubuntu-meeting [01:20] <jamey> Is Edubuntu ready for stable use in, say, a secondary school yet? [01:21] <DanielC> Tell you next week :-) [01:21] <DanielC> I don't know if it's ready, but I'm going to try it next week. [01:21] <DanielC> The official stable release will be in October. [01:22] <DanielC> But the school here doesn't want to wait until then, so I'll try using what's available today. [01:22] <DanielC> I'm just installing it on my test server right now. [01:23] <jamey> Thanks! [01:23] <jamey> I'm trying to convince the IT tech at my old secondary school to switch over to it. [01:24] <DanielC> You could try starting with just one classroom and see how it goes. [01:24] <DanielC> That's what we're doing with this school. [01:24] <jamey> Good idea. Where are you located, just out of interest? [01:25] <DanielC> Birmingham, UK. [01:25] <jamey> :O [01:25] <jamey> Newport [01:25] <jamey> (the Shropshire one!) [01:25] <jamey> They have plenty of old systems we can use as clients, and an old P4 server with 2GB of RAM for testing. [01:25] <jamey> lol! [01:25] <jamey> it's not very far from birmingham whatsoever! [01:26] <DanielC> cool [01:26] <jamey> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=birmingham+to+newport,+shropshire [01:26] <DanielC> thanks [01:26] <jamey> np [01:27] <jamey> Do you think you're going to have many compatibility problems or any software that doesn't have an "equivalent"? [01:27] <DanielC> the company I work for (thelearningmachine.co.uk) specializes on school networks, and we're big on open source. [01:27] <jamey> cool! [01:27] <DanielC> Possibly, yes. That's why starting with just one classroom is a good idea. [01:28] <DanielC> Not *every* computer has to have *every* program. [01:28] <jamey> But doesn't every computer have the same as the server, since technically it's just a dummy terminal? [01:28] <jamey> Or can you change it per-user? [01:28] <jamey> (or group) [01:28] <DanielC> We're big promoters of open source. For instance, I was in the OpenOffice.org community council until the last elections (a month ago). [01:29] <jamey> cool I love OO.org [01:29] <DanielC> Yes, but not every computer has to be running Linux. [01:29] <DanielC> I'll explain. [01:29] <jamey> okay :D [01:29] <DanielC> Right now it's easiest to start with a mixed environment. Some computer run Windows and some computers run Linux. [01:29] <DanielC> They can save money on the Linux computers. [01:30] <jamey> yeah [01:30] <jamey> definitely [01:30] <JaneW> ogra: do you have a page with the URLs to the home pages of the apps we are including in edubuntu? [01:30] <DanielC> And if there is some Windows software that doesn't have Linux equivalents (and there is) it's alright. [01:30] <DanielC> They can just use the windows computers for those. [01:30] <jamey> yeah [01:30] <jamey> which apps don't have linux equivalents? [01:31] <jamey> because if it's a typical school, we'll have the same problems I'm guessing [01:31] <DanielC> I'm not too familiar with this issue, but the education expert here says that the UK curriculum, for example, requires all pupils to have practice operating a physical device (like a toy turtle) from a computer. [01:32] <DanielC> And there is no easy-to-use Linux software that does that. [01:32] <jamey> There must be! [01:32] <DanielC> It sounds rather specialized, but every kid in the UK has to do this at some point. So no school can migrate 100% to Linux until this gets done. [01:32] <jamey> Through an RS2323 serial port or something... [01:33] <DanielC> I don't know all the issues. I just started here last month :-) [01:33] <jamey> :D [01:33] <jamey> do you know which app in Windows is good for what you just described [01:33] <jamey> ? [01:34] <DanielC> In any event, the schools expert here is Ian Lynch (ian.lynch@zmsl.com). If you want help moving your school to Linux, he's the guy to talk to. [01:34] <DanielC> No, I don't know. [01:34] <jamey> Cool, thanks very much. [01:34] <jamey> Hm, I found this: http://dmoz.org/Computers/Robotics/Software/Control/ [01:35] <jamey> BTW, are you using Ubuntu now? [01:35] <DanielC> On my desktop? yes. [01:35] <jamey> Where did you move from? [01:36] <jamey> I think Ubuntu really is unique in terms of Linux distros. [01:36] <DanielC> I think so too. [01:36] <DanielC> I've been moving around a lot. [01:36] <DanielC> I lived 14 years in Venezuela, 9 in Canada, and 3 in the USA. [01:37] <DanielC> I'm a dual Venezuelan and Canadian citizen. [01:37] <jamey> :O [01:37] <jamey> Amazing! [01:37] <DanielC> :-) [01:37] <jamey> :D [01:38] <DanielC> Do you think that local school of yours might want to try out Linux? [01:38] <jamey> definitely [01:38] <DanielC> cool [01:38] <jamey> But there is one underlying problem that would prevent them [01:38] <DanielC> like what? [01:38] <jamey> They are all part of an LEA network [01:39] <DanielC> which? [01:39] <jamey> TAW [01:39] <jamey> you know it? [01:39] <jamey> http://taw.org.uk/ [01:39] <DanielC> Uhm... no, not really. [01:39] <jamey> well it's completely Microsoft-run. [01:39] <jamey> and it's incredibly slow, unreliable and buggy [01:39] <DanielC> :-( [01:39] <jamey> I used it for 3 years [01:39] <jamey> I know... [01:39] <jamey> oh yeah [01:39] <jamey> I think a good way to get the thing you were describing (where every child must at one time use a computer to control an external robot) is by using Lego Mindstorms. [01:39] <DanielC> Could you double-check that URL? [01:39] <jamey> woops [01:39] <jamey> probably with a www. prefix [01:40] <jamey> http://www.taw.org.uk/ [01:40] <jamey> yeah that's right ^ [01:40] <DanielC> yeah, there it is. [01:40] <jamey> that site is pathetic [01:40] <jamey> it waffles on about irrelevant material and doesn't focus on what it really is [01:40] <DanielC> :) [01:40] <jamey> apparently, the TAW is the "most advanced" network of its kind in the UK [01:40] <jamey> I beg to differ. [01:41] <DanielC> what kind is it? [01:41] <jamey> sorry *TAW network [01:41] <jamey> it's just a sort of domain-based WAN [01:41] <DanielC> ok [01:41] <jamey> I'm not sure how I can describe that much further? [01:41] <DanielC> It's ok. [01:41] <DanielC> I'll ask Ian. He probably knows it well. [01:41] <jamey> cool [01:41] <DanielC> He's been on the education sector for ages. [01:42] <jamey> woah [01:42] <jamey> he sounds like the guy in the know [01:42] <DanielC> :-) [01:43] <DanielC> As long as the school isn't into the Microsoft schools agreement, they could save money doing a small Linux trial. Like, just one or two classrooms. [01:43] <jamey> Yeah, definitely. [01:43] <jamey> Well when you say "schools agreement" is that separate from the EULA, or just some legal extension? [01:43] <jamey> Is it okay if I email Ian? [01:43] <DanielC> sure [01:43] <jamey> cool thanks [01:44] <DanielC> Ian is a nice guy. [01:44] <jamey> cool [01:44] <jamey> who can I say you are? lol [01:44] <DanielC> oh, I'm Daniel. [01:44] <jamey> :D [01:44] <DanielC> Daniel Carrera. [01:44] <DanielC> I'm the only Daniel here. [01:45] <DanielC> This is a small company. There are 4 employees. [01:45] <DanielC> Not including Ian and his wife. [01:46] <jamey> :O wow! [01:46] <jamey> so you do all kinds of *nix-related stuff? [01:46] <DanielC> Well, "all kinds" would be an overstatement. :-) [01:47] <DanielC> I'm the Linux guy here, yes. But I'm by no means an expert. [01:47] <jamey> Ah, cool. [01:47] <DanielC> I'm just learning how to setup Linux thin clients. I've never done this before. [01:47] <jamey> Me neither [01:47] <DanielC> But I have a better chance of figuring it out than anyone else here. [01:47] <jamey> Well, I'm experienced with win32 and a newbie in terms of *nix and *BSD. But I'm learning. [01:47] <jamey> :D [01:47] <DanielC> :-) [01:48] <DanielC> My experience is mostly in Linux actually. I've never owned a Windows computer. [01:48] <jamey> :O [01:48] <DanielC> And I only touch Windows about twice a year when I go dis-infect my parents' computer. [01:48] <jamey> Fascinating. [01:49] <DanielC> My first computer was a 486 running Slackware. [01:49] <jamey> I've got 30 Ubuntu CDs here from ShipIt, ready to convert anyone I can. [01:49] <jamey> That's pretty amazing! [01:49] <DanielC> cool [01:49] <JaneW> ***Reminder*** Edubuntu Dev Update Meeting in 10 Minutes on #ubuntu-meeting [01:49] <jamey> My first machine was a Compaq 386SX-25 (oh it was a powerhouse!) [01:49] <jamey> What sort of things are discussed in that meeting? [01:49] <ogra_ltsp> the development status [01:50] <jamey> okay thanks [01:50] <JaneW> ogra: do you have a page with the URLs to the home pages of the apps we are including in edubuntu? (I have someone hounding me for it) [01:51] <jamey> DanielC, well I just sent an email to Ian. It didn't really make much sense (slightly disjointed) but I hope he gets the idea. :D [01:51] <jamey> JaneW, http://www.edubuntu.org/ApplicationSelection [01:51] <JaneW> ogra: luckilly the meeting is earlier today - I have a wine tasting after - I am sure I won't be able to type at all after that ;) [01:51] <ogra_ltsp> heh [01:52] <JaneW> jamey: there's no URLs [01:52] <jamey> oh sorry, misread that [01:52] <ogra_ltsp> i have a horrible long MOTU meeting afterwards... and a mdz awaiting some source changes for the screensaver [01:52] <JaneW> perhaps I'll tell the guy to damn well goggle them himself...? [01:52] <jamey> JaneW, can't you just search for each one on http://packages.ubuntu.com/ ? [01:52] <ogra_ltsp> JaneW, i'll add links ... there are none yet, i'll have to look them up myself [01:53] <JaneW> ogra: not to worry... [01:53] <ogra_ltsp> jamey, i guess this guy wants screenschots etc [01:53] <JaneW> google even [01:53] <ogra_ltsp> yup, i'd do the same... [01:53] <DanielC> jamey: Ok. I can probably fill in the gaps. [01:53] <jamey> ah okay [01:53] <JaneW> ogra: he is getting me to do his work, he asks about 3 questions a day [01:53] <jamey> DanielC, thanks! [01:53] <ogra_ltsp> bah [01:54] <JaneW> and claims we are collaborating, but he is just getting me to find answers to things his boss has clearly asked him... [01:54] <ogra_ltsp> heh [01:54] <ogra_ltsp> is this the guy who asked for a book on the mailing list ? [01:54] <ogra_ltsp> pere, how do you guys handle wikipedia in skole, do you have a hack for moin ? [01:55] <jamey> Has anyone here started an SFD team for Software Freedom Day? [01:55] <ogra_ltsp> pere, we just have a discussion about mediawiki security.... [01:55] <pere> ogra_ltsp: I'm not aware of any special requirements for wikipedia, and do not believe we include anything special for it. [01:56] <ogra_ltsp> so its up to the admins to make it work ? [01:56] <pere> I'm not sure if anyone tried. At least I have not seen anyone talking about such problem. [01:57] <ogra_ltsp> our rationale for including mediawiki was that wikipedia doesnt work with moin, thats why i ask.... [02:02] <DanielC> Why is gperiodic not going to be included in Edubuntu? (I don't care, I'm just curious). [02:03] <ogra_ltsp> because we have calzium [02:03] <ogra_ltsp> kalzium [02:03] <DanielC> ah [02:03] <DanielC> thanks [02:03] <ogra_ltsp> and we dont want two apps for the same task [02:04] <DanielC> Which is in keeping with the Ubuntu mindset (which I like). [02:04] <jamey> I really like that too. [02:07] <DanielC> Does anyone have any experience on whether primary school kids should get KDE or Gnome? [02:08] <jamey> Hm, I've done informal testing... we had two workstations with a KDE and then a Gnome desktop. Everyone seemed to prefer the Gnome desktop... but then they were primarly early-on secondary school students (year 7 and 8). [02:08] <jamey> So, unconclusive I suppose but it's Gnome in my eyes. [02:09] <DanielC> ok [02:09] <DanielC> I admit that my bias is for Gnome, but I'm trying to not let my bias get in the way too much. [02:09] <jamey> I suppose it's an age-old question but this time it's really relevant [02:10] <DanielC> yeah... [02:10] <jamey> Both of them provide a lot of Windows-like interfacing [02:10] <jamey> which is what they will be "used to" but it's really instead what is "better" for them [02:10] <DanielC> KDE is more windows-like but I count that as a minus :) [02:11] <jamey> I was hazardous as to whether I should say that. :D [02:11] <jamey> definitely a minus [02:11] <DanielC> :-) [02:11] <jamey> Do you have any ideas for promoting FOSS? [02:12] <DanielC> I do actually... http://theingots.org :-) [02:12] <DanielC> This is a project that we are starting. [02:12] <DanielC> It's a certification for school kids. [02:13] <DanielC> The thing about it is that it requires kids to learn about FOSS, open standards and compatibility. [02:13] <DanielC> So it's a way to educating kids. And it's designed to make teacher's life easy. [02:14] <DanielC> We currently have 50 schools in the UK doing this, and it's been working very well. [02:14] <DanielC> The schools like it because it's easy for them to do, and the kids get a certificate. [02:14] <DanielC> We like it because kids learn about FOSS and we get (I think) 2 pounds per certificate. [02:15] <DanielC> There are 3 levels: Bronze, Silver and Gold. The Bronze level should be accessible to almost anyone. For example, in Bronze they need to learn that some programs are free to copy and others aren't. [02:16] <eps> evening all [02:16] <DanielC> In Silver, they have to burn a CD of a FOSS program and give it to someone who'd find it useful. [02:16] <DanielC> In Gold they need to contribute 25 hours to a FOSS project. [02:16] <DanielC> :-) [02:16] <DanielC> eps: evening [02:16] <eps> how are you all tonight? [02:17] <DanielC> doing well. [02:17] <DanielC> most people are in a meeting right now... [02:17] <eps> so I guessed, :) [02:19] <eps> ...I might sit in the meeting channel as switching tabs is painfully slow - using ubuntu on a 733mhz box and it doesn't multi task as well as my home system :P [02:29] <Petaris> anyone know of a good molecular viewer for kids [02:30] <Petaris> you know something simple that will show H2O and such [02:30] <DanielC> There's probably something here: http://www.edubuntu.org/ApplicationSelection [02:30] <DanielC> let's see... [02:31] <DanielC> If all else fails, let them play with atomix. [02:32] <DanielC> Ghemical looks good. [02:32] <DanielC> http://www.uku.fi/~thassine/ghemical/ [02:33] <DanielC> It says here that it's a big buggy. But you can try it. [02:39] <Petaris> hrm [02:39] <Petaris> if its easy enough to use that might work [02:39] <eps> this poor ubuntu box hates life :( [02:39] <Petaris> eps: run getoo on it ;) [02:39] <Petaris> er, gentoo [02:39] <DanielC> Petaris: I hope it is. I've never tried it. But I think I will this week. [02:40] <eps> hahaha [02:40] <eps> gentoo isn't an option :) [02:40] <Petaris> DanielC: I found a ton of them but they are mostly college level apps [02:40] <eps> this computer is the test bed to possibly sway a large percentage of the schools in this state to switch to linux for part of their teaching :) [02:40] <eps> it needs to be as simple and sexy as possible [02:41] <DanielC> eps: thin clients then? [02:41] <eps> to bad it is crap and old :P [02:41] <DanielC> It's probably the easiest way to make a 700 Mhz computer simple and sexy. [02:42] <Petaris> eps: which state? [02:42] <DanielC> I have a 900 Mhz computer with Ubuntu and i like it. But a lot of people like more eye candy than what I have. [02:42] <DanielC> Don't take me wrong, my computer looks really good to me :) [02:42] <eps> Petaris, I believe you are in a different country to me(?), are you familiar with Australian states? [02:43] <DanielC> sure we are! [02:43] <eps> DanielC, this one is running LAMP in the background :) ...well the L in the forground [02:43] <Petaris> eps: not really [02:43] <DanielC> :-) [02:43] <eps> Petaris, one of the bigger ones :) [02:43] <DanielC> western Australia is big. [02:43] <eps> not that one : [02:43] <eps> second biggest [02:43] <eps> queensland :D [02:44] <DanielC> I have a good friend in Queensland! [02:44] <DanielC> I've been wanting to visit. [02:44] <eps> I've already worked at getting the schools to move to php over asp, didn't get overly far but this is attempt two :) [02:44] <DanielC> Maybe I will some day. She says it's nce. [02:44] <DanielC> nice. [02:44] <DanielC> Not too many evil snakes. [02:45] <DanielC> Petaris: http://www.staffordmall.com/media/australia-map.gif [02:45] <eps> yes, we have one of the highest percentages of dealy animals on the planet [02:45] <DanielC> I hear it's the highest. [02:45] <DanielC> I hear that in Australia everything wants to kill you :) [02:45] <eps> I would not be suprised :P [02:46] <eps> yeah, the drop bears are terrible [02:46] <eps> (excuse any horrid spelling it is late here and I haven't slept for two days :P) [02:46] <DanielC> :) [02:46] <eps> that map is also horrid :P [02:46] <DanielC> it's functional... [02:47] <eps> hahaha, I love where the ACT is :P [02:47] <eps> mmmm, who ever made that map knows australia like the back of their hand alright! [02:47] <eps> hehe [02:47] <DanielC> what's the ACT? [02:48] <DanielC> I assume it has something to do with the capital and all... [02:48] <eps> it is the state created for the capital yes [02:48] <eps> canberra is located within [02:48] <DanielC> I just got another map, and it puts ACT someplace else. [02:49] <DanielC> further inland [02:49] <DanielC> and a heck of a lot smaller. [02:49] <DanielC> http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~ldangerm/australia/map.gif [02:49] <eps> I bet it does :) [02:50] <DanielC> :-) [02:52] <eps> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia [02:52] <DanielC> ok [02:52] <DanielC> I think I've probably read this before. [02:53] <DanielC> I'm an avid Wikipedia reader. [02:54] <eps> hehe :P [02:56] <eps> I tend to use wikipedia a lot, [02:57] <eps> I like how every post can be argued in the background so you can read the "facts" and then see if people believe there is bias or not [02:57] <DanielC> yeah [03:00] <eps> I worry that edubuntu lacks the structure required to push forward a distribution? ...though that is only a first view comment as I've only read the site and been in channel [03:01] <DanielC> well, edubuntu technically doesn't exist yet. [03:01] <DanielC> the first release will be in October. [03:01] <DanielC> I wouldn't expect them to have a full structure or whatever else set up right away. [03:01] <eps> how long has the idea existed? [03:01] <eps> ...at least for edubuntu [03:02] <DanielC> I only heard about it a few months ago. [03:02] <DanielC> I first heard about it 2 months ago I think. [03:02] <eps> that is a worry :| [03:02] <DanielC> A first priority is to just get a stable software distribution when Breezy comes out. [03:03] <eps> ... [03:03] <eps> why? [03:03] <DanielC> uhm... because otherwise edubuntu is just vaporware. [03:03] <jsgotangco> eps: it was planned last april [03:03] <jsgotangco> but unfortunately, real development came in quite late [03:04] <jsgotangco> and the X.org problems didnt help either [03:04] <DanielC> in other words... real life :-) [03:04] <jsgotangco> so its really not vaporware :) [03:04] <eps> vaporware normally has some thing edubuntu seems to lack, clear dot point reasons for its existance and why people should use/put effort into its future [03:04] <DanielC> Edubuntu has that I think. [03:04] <eps> where? and why isn't it right at the top in the wiki... [03:05] <eps> this is important stuff that every one should know and agree on [03:05] <DanielC> Ubuntu is a solid base point on which to build an education product. [03:05] <eps> ...at least in my opinion [03:05] <jsgotangco> and besides, Edubuntu is basically Ubuntu with LTSP [03:05] <jsgotangco> we will grow into that base [03:05] <eps> yes but you haven't defined what an education product is [03:05] <jsgotangco> not promise a super distro [03:06] <DanielC> eps: schools are complex environments, with underpaid maintainers and malicious users. For starters, you need a system that can be installed and used reliably in that environment. [03:06] <eps> I am part of an open community project here and several years ago we started in the same sort of fashion, now as the project has grown we are being forced to organise ourselfs which is very complicated as the development has been so patchy [03:06] <DanielC> The next step is to select software that is useful in education. You may need to look at specific countries' curricula for this. [03:07] <eps> (as I said, please _please_ ignore spelling :P) [03:07] <DanielC> I don't understand the point you are trying to make. [03:08] <eps> okay, what is edubuntus goal in four words. [03:08] <DanielC> 4 words is not a lot :-) [03:08] <DanielC> your question was more than 4 words. [03:09] <eps> I shall give you an example, simple, secure, fun, useful [03:09] <DanielC> I am not a fan of quick catch-phrases. They have a way of obscuring any useful information. [03:10] <eps> this is a summary being forced into a smaller area to try and show my point, useful information should be quickly at hand :P [03:10] <DanielC> how about two: usable, educational [03:10] <eps> great! [03:10] <eps> now how do you plan to do that over a period of time? [03:10] <DanielC> me? [03:10] <eps> no [03:10] <DanielC> I'm not in the edubuntu team! [03:10] <eps> edubuntu :P [03:10] <DanielC> :-) [03:10] <eps> the project [03:11] <DanielC> You my want to try asking one of the developers ;-) [03:11] <eps> what I'm really trying to say is I can't see edubuntus future direction, if you just look for short term goal posts it is worse than catch-phrases because people become lost [03:11] <DanielC> But they do seem to have a plan. For example, http://www.edubuntu.org/ApplicationSelection [03:11] <eps> I'd rather ask you :) [03:11] <eps> or an every day person interested in it :| [03:12] <DanielC> and this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu [03:12] <DanielC> They seem to have thought about this well, and have a fairly clear plan. [03:12] <DanielC> Indeed... they seem to have a very clear plan. [03:13] <eps> it seems they do [03:13] <eps> so why is that so hidden? [03:13] <DanielC> wha's hidden about it? [03:13] <eps> it isn't the introduction to the site :) [03:13] <DanielC> It's right on the front page. [03:14] <DanielC> The front page has a big title that says "Specification". [03:14] <eps> where? [03:14] <DanielC> and that's where I found this link. [03:14] <DanielC> It was in the first place I looked. [03:14] <eps> oh you mean the link half way down the page after so many links people will possibly just ignore it? :P [03:14] <DanielC> It was the *first* link I tried. [03:15] <eps> I don't mean to be overly picky but this is just the thing I saw as I started looking at edubuntu today [03:15] <DanielC> Notice that links are separated in clear headers, well organized. [03:15] <eps> and I notice that there is far to many of them [03:15] <jsgotangco> eps: the wiki page listed was an original spec by the Ubuntu and K12LTSP people [03:15] <jsgotangco> i was in that brain storming [03:16] <eps> jsgotangco, how does that effect me? [03:16] <DanielC> The first section tells you, in simple terms (2 paragraphs) what Edubuntu is. The rest of the page is clearly organized under easy to see headings. [03:16] <jsgotangco> eps: it means that Edubuntu is not a one-shot project that came out of nowhere [03:16] <DanielC> eps: You just asked for mutually exclusive goals. You want it short, but it you want it complete and clear. [03:16] <eps> I would have closed the page after losing interest rather quickly because the information I wanted wasn't at hand right away... the only reason I am here is because this does interest me :P [03:17] <DanielC> The short description is the first paragraph of the front page. [03:17] <jsgotangco> eps: you can help out instead of bitching about it [03:17] <jsgotangco> shape the project [03:17] <eps> jsgotangco, no I cannot. [03:17] <DanielC> The details of how they will achieve the goal and what the precise requirements are can be found under Specifications. [03:17] !lilo:*! services re-up in process [03:18] <eps> I am completely new, so I have no indepth knowledge of the group at the moment so changing things in any fashion would be a waste of time. what I am trying to do is point out, as some one completely new, is that I don't believe the project is clear enough. [03:19] <jsgotangco> eps: we started late, yes i admit, but we didn't steer away from our goals some software cannot be added in the feature set for a lot of reasons [03:19] <eps> why isn't the specifications link (the dot points on the project) right after the introduction [03:19] <jsgotangco> so we had to be conservative in our initial goas [03:19] <eps> jsgotangco, software doesn't bother me [03:19] <jsgotangco> and it didnt help that Ubuntu breezy development itself had a lot of problems this cycle [03:20] <DanielC> eps: it's not like it's hard to find. [03:20] <eps> okay, I'm a new user. breezy and software intents don't interest me, I want to know about the project and what it hopes to do in a clear statement - say the introduction on the wiki, with an easy link to some thing far more indepth :) [03:20] <DanielC> eps: the page is very well designed (and yes, I have studied usability). [03:21] <eps> DanielC, it was impossible to find. I was browsing, I read the introduction, scrolled - saw the chat section and closed the page. [03:21] <DanielC> impossible? [03:21] <DanielC> I am new here too btw. [03:22] <eps> the only reason I came in eariler today was that work was boring and I had freenode open :P [03:22] <DanielC> This is my first time (first day) actually trying to use Edubuntu. [03:22] <DanielC> I've just "heard" about it before. [03:22] <jsgotangco> DanielC: did it work? [03:22] <DanielC> And I found the link on the first try. [03:22] <DanielC> jsgotangco: I'm on step 2 of the instructions here http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting [03:22] <eps> DanielC, impossible to find, I spent maybe 30 seconds on the site before I left becaus the infromation I wanted wasn't "right there". others I know that read it closed it long before then - one of which is a teacher :P [03:23] <DanielC> jsgotangco: The installation went well. It had problems with X, but running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' fixed it. [03:23] <jsgotangco> yes [03:23] <jsgotangco> JaneW: look! http://linux.org.ph/events/linuxworld2005 [03:24] <DanielC> eps: And you expect this same person to want to read the specifications page right away? [03:24] <eps> DanielC, no, I expect the option to be available in plain view [03:24] <eps> a "more info" link or some thing with more indeth information [03:24] <DanielC> eps: The first paragraph tells you about what Edubuntu is. If you want to find out the nitty grinny details of how they plan to do this, I'd expect that you'd be willing to scroll down half a page. [03:24] <JaneW> jsgotangco: awesome [03:24] <JaneW> jsgotangco: do us proud! [03:25] <jsgotangco> JaneW: demo scares me [03:25] <DanielC> eps: People who are not interested in scrolling down so much (which is perfectly fine) are not likely to want to read the details. [03:25] <eps> DanielC, I did scroll - I only found the chat channel location easily then I left [03:25] <DanielC> The chat channel has *one* line. You didn't scroll further than that? [03:26] <eps> DanielC, I only have limited understanding in the field of usability. enough to know how to write a webpage that will attract and keep users so I don't get fired, and I am a user. so I know you must be right as you have the knowledge, but this is just my opinion. [03:26] <eps> DanielC, I scrolled because I was bored a bit before I went back to the ubuntu site [03:26] <DanielC> If the issue was that there is a lot of content before the specifications page, I'd be on your side on this, but there isn't. [03:27] <eps> there is three sections, it should be directly under or a new page defining basically the same thing but simpler should be created and linked to from the introduction [03:27] <DanielC> A "more info" link would be incredibly vague. [03:28] <DanielC> Should that point to documentation? specification? contact info? [03:28] <eps> my complaint is this, the hook information is there - enough to keep some one on the page to find out more, but the way to get more is hard to find. [03:28] <eps> DanielC, it isn't my project. [03:28] <jsgotangco> ahhh unforutnately that is the wiki way [03:28] <mpt> What's the problem here? Edubuntu's front page? [03:29] <eps> jsgotangco, rubbish :P [03:29] <jsgotangco> and moin isnt the greatest in organizing [03:29] <jsgotangco> mpt: seems so [03:29] <eps> mpt, access of information easily [03:29] <ogra_> mpt, the localization [03:30] <eps> jsgotangco, also, if wiki is the core problem why use it? [03:30] <mpt> It's very long, and there's a huge amount of whitespace next to the people [03:31] <eps> that is only minor in my mind unless you lack a scroll wheel :) [03:34] <mpt> or unless you have a computer screen that's less than 4000 pixels high [03:34] <mpt> A lot of the length is unnecessary, too, e.g. "Documentation Edubuntu related documentation can be found in EdubuntuDocumentation" [03:34] <mpt> That tells me nothing in several different ways [03:35] <DanielC> :) [03:35] <jsgotangco> i will let mpt do the UI stuff [03:35] <jsgotangco> :) [03:36] <mpt> ok, first thing, the first text the page has is ... a link to itself [03:36] <mpt> >BLAT< [03:36] <eps> can I suggest adding a xmpp client? now that our lovely friends at google want to start supporting jabber I'd love to see every one using it ;P [03:36] <eps> haha [03:36] <DanielC> mpt: he he [03:36] <eps> ...good thing I didn't click any links [03:37] <mpt> eps: Maybe you did and didn't notice [03:37] <mpt> :-) [03:38] <eps> I have been living off coffee for most of the day so it is very possible :P [03:38] <eps> I might have even clicked a few times :| [03:39] <ogra_> JaneW, i probably wont be around on Aug 31 [03:39] <JaneW> ogra: ok - should we reschedule? [03:39] <ogra_> JaneW, its my mothers b-day [03:39] <JaneW> ogra: :) [03:39] <ogra_> would two days later work too ? [03:39] <mpt> http://www.pixelscapes.com/spatulacity/button.htm [03:39] <JaneW> fri? [03:39] <ogra_> is it a fri ? [03:40] <JaneW> yes wed + 2 = friday usually ;) [03:40] <eps> hehe [03:40] <JaneW> ok same time friday... [03:40] <ogra_> every day is fine with me... but i'll have to travel some 100 km to her and i'm not sure about my connectivity during this time [03:40] <JaneW> will you be away on the fri too? [03:41] <JaneW> flint is a trouble maker! [03:41] <ogra_> i'll make sure to be around again [03:41] <jsgotangco> JaneW: this friday or next friday? [03:41] <JaneW> NEXT [03:41] <jsgotangco> oh right [03:41] <jsgotangco> this friday we have doc meeting [03:41] <jsgotangco> heh [03:41] <eps> ogra where do you live that 100km is a long distance? [03:41] <ogra_> eps, its about 400km ... in germany... [03:42] <ogra_> eps, i said some 100km [03:42] <DanielC> eps: In Europe 100km is a long distance :-) [03:42] <DanielC> eps: Remember that Europe is smaller than Australia. [03:42] <ogra_> heh, a bit, yes [03:43] <JaneW> in Cape Town 100km is far [03:43] <JaneW> in the rest of SA not [03:43] <jsgotangco> same here [03:43] <JaneW> but we have a big fat mountain to circumnavigate... [03:43] <jsgotangco> 100km of manila traffic is terrible [03:43] <JaneW> makes 10km awkward sometimes [03:44] <jsgotangco> JaneW: are you going to Montreal? [03:44] <JaneW> jsgotangco: seems so... [03:44] <JaneW> jsgotangco: can you see how keen I am [03:44] <JaneW> ? [03:44] <JaneW> lol [03:45] <jsgotangco> heh [03:45] <jsgotangco> JaneW: 2 weeks [03:45] <JaneW> nod [03:45] <JaneW> 2.5 in my case [03:45] <ogra_> jsgotangco, nope... only one for the distro team [03:45] <jsgotangco> right [03:45] <jsgotangco> 2nd week is launchpad [03:45] <JaneW> 26 Oct to 11 Nov (plus a day travel in each side) close to 3 weeks I think [03:46] <jsgotangco> JaneW: did you see the html preview i sent to ogra a few hours ago? [03:46] <JaneW> oh not yet... [03:46] <JaneW> lemme look [03:47] <JaneW> wait where is it? [03:47] <JaneW> was the link on IRC on in an e-mail...? [03:47] <jsgotangco> err i have it in my other laptop... [03:47] <ogra_> JaneW, i just forwarded it [03:47] <jsgotangco> but wait [03:47] <jsgotangco> oh there you go [03:48] <ogra_> sorry, i thought you were on cc [03:48] <JaneW> I did see something earlier must have been on IRC [03:48] <ogra_> yup [03:49] <JaneW> nothing yet... [03:49] <ogra_> give the mailservers a minute ;) [03:49] <random003> bah, australia sucks for broadband :( [03:50] <mpt> ogra_: How many minutes is "as few clicks as possible"? [03:51] <ogra_> mpt, hmm, i never measured... but a bit longer then a ubuntu install [03:51] <mpt> half an hour? an hour? two hours? [03:51] <JaneW> jsgotangco: looking good - getting bigger [03:51] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I take it the pics will be visible when viewed from the server? [03:52] <ogra_> mpt, currently its ubuntu~20min for me and edubuntu ~1h but thats with ~30min download time for the ltsp environment... mdz will change that to work from CD in the future [03:52] <jsgotangco> JaneW: should be i'm no scripting master but i should have it worked by then [03:52] <ogra_> mpt, its hard to predict as logng as our CD isnt fully functional [03:52] <jsgotangco> JaneW: im just dumping text at the moment [03:52] <jsgotangco> JaneW: smart dumping i may add [03:53] <JaneW> looks smart ;) [03:53] <jsgotangco> :( [03:53] <jsgotangco> you drink wine while i eat crumbs... [03:54] <epssy> :P [03:55] <JaneW> jsgotangco: oi you've had beer already! [03:55] <JaneW> jsgotangco: anyway it's an office Team Building thing [03:55] <jsgotangco> its not that great really [03:56] <jsgotangco> wow [03:56] <jsgotangco> how come my former job didnt have wine tasting as team building [03:56] <epssy> lol [03:56] <JaneW> jsgotangco: one perk of driving all the way the the TSF offices is we get to join their socials... [03:56] <jsgotangco> JaneW: drink a glass for my birthday [03:56] <JaneW> jsgotangco: will do - today??? [03:56] <jsgotangco> sunday [03:57] <JaneW> ok [03:57] <JaneW> well happy birthday for Sunday! [03:58] <jsgotangco> not really going to do much heh [03:58] <jsgotangco> wow [03:58] <jsgotangco> i just received an email [03:58] <jsgotangco> i am vindicated [03:58] <jsgotangco> heh [03:58] <jsgotangco> my alma mater invited me to do a talk [03:58] <JaneW> cool [03:58] <JaneW> the recognition you deserve... [03:59] <epssy> goodnight all [03:59] <ogra_> night epssy [03:59] <jsgotangco> good thing these invitations come when i am quite free at the moment [03:59] <epssy> :) [04:00] <JaneW> bye all [04:00] <JaneW> tomorrow [04:00] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i actually dated my professor once [04:00] <JaneW> jsgotangco: oic.... I won;t ask the gender ;) [04:00] <JaneW> *duck* [04:00] <jsgotangco> hahaha [04:00] <JaneW> or age! [04:00] <jsgotangco> :P [04:01] <JaneW> and in some cases smelly too [04:01] <JaneW> cleary I studied in the wrong field [04:01] <jsgotangco> haha [04:02] <ogra_> JaneW, arts is good ;) you can see nice male nudes in the painter classes ;) [04:03] <jsgotangco> i should have taken medicine... [04:03] <ogra_> are you ill ? :p [04:03] <jsgotangco> no just have no focus career wise at the moment [04:04] <jsgotangco> a few pints will always do this hehe [04:04] <ogra_> medicine against career *g* [04:05] <jsgotangco> did i read that right that you were a nurse??? [04:05] <ogra_> nope, not a nurse... [04:05] <ogra_> rather replacement for missing bodyparts :) [04:06] <jsgotangco> ehhh??? [04:06] <ogra_> the medicine stuff was done by real nurses [04:06] <jsgotangco> oh wait they call it something [04:06] <ogra_> i cared for handicapped people, especially for young dying ones below 40 [04:07] <ogra_> but i'm not allowed to give shots etc.... [04:07] <jsgotangco> hmm i dont think i can do that kind of job [04:07] <Petaris> hrm, looks like ghemical is broken [04:08] <ogra_> in what way ? [04:09] <ogra_> ( i mean we dont use it anyway, but you should file a bug in malone about it) [04:09] <ogra_> (so MOTU can fix it) [04:12] <wen> HI [04:12] <DanielC> hi [04:12] <wen> are u a teacher? [04:12] <DanielC> nope [04:12] <wen> sorry, what is the meaning of "nope"? Is it english? [04:13] <DanielC> It's a way of saying "no". [04:13] <DanielC> I am not a teacher. [04:13] <jsgotangco> its slan [04:13] <jsgotangco> g [04:13] <wen> i see [04:13] <ogra_> IRC slang :) [04:13] <DanielC> "yup" means "yes" and "nope" means "no". Some people like to use those words. [04:13] <ogra_> yup [04:13] <DanielC> :-) [04:14] <mpt> and not just on IRC. [04:14] <jsgotangco> yeah [04:14] <DanielC> yup [04:14] <wen> i am wondering why u are interesting in developping a Linux version for education since u are not teacher. [04:14] <jsgotangco> wen: what's up? [04:14] <jsgotangco> wen: teacher's can't develop sometimes thats where we come in and help them out [04:15] <DanielC> wen: I am not a developer. I am interested in learning Edubuntu so I can set it up in local schools. [04:15] <ogra_> wen, because most teachers are not developers, but should be able to benefit from open source software [04:15] <DanielC> wen: I work with a guy who /is/ a teacher though. [04:15] <DanielC> wen: And I used to be a teacher myself, though in university. [04:15] <jsgotangco> wen: i am not an educator myself but i am interested in the improvement of teaching methods [04:15] <ogra_> we have some teachers around here from time to time [04:15] <wen> are there some teachers of K12 in Edubuntu develop team? [04:16] <ogra_> not yet, but the k12ltsp people are working with us... [04:16] <DanielC> wen: Edubuntu is a young project. Maybe it will later. [04:17] <jsgotangco> ogra_: yup [04:17] <wen> now i have a problem in compiling my own kernel, could somebody help me? [04:17] <DanielC> why do you need to compile a new kernel? [04:17] <jsgotangco> ogra_: colin (applegate) is elkner's student [04:18] <ogra_> jsgotangco, ah [04:18] <ogra_> oki [04:18] <DanielC> wen: I've never met someone with a good reason to get a new kernel. [04:18] <ogra_> wen, we dont compile kernels in ubuntu, there is no need for that [04:19] <wen> i just try compile my own kernel for a test [04:19] <DanielC> I haven't compiled a kernel in 5 years... I'm not sure I remember how. [04:19] <DanielC> make xconfig I think. [04:20] <jsgotangco> you only compile if you really have something really different to do [04:23] <jsgotangco> the last thing i really compiled was slackware [04:23] <wen> Edubuntu will focus on acting as the school's server or students' desktop OS? [04:23] <jsgotangco> i haven't even mentioned gentoo [04:24] !lilo:*! If you've been having difficulty maintaining a TCP connection on the production network, please try the test network and see if you have the same problems. Server: irc.freenode.net; port: 9001 .... thanks! [04:25] <ogra_> wen, edubuntu will be a standaolne ltsp server by default aimed to one classroom... it will also have a option to install a standalone workstation for home use [04:26] <wen> is ltsp based on FC and edubuntu based on Debian? [04:27] <jsgotangco> ogra_: do we use bugzilla or malone? [04:27] <ogra_> jsgotangco, bugzilla for main and malone for universe [04:27] <ogra_> wen, nope edubuntu is based on ubuntu [04:28] <ogra_> wen, ltsp is one package of edubuntu... developed in ubuntu [04:29] <DanielC> wen, edubuntu is based on ubuntu, and ubuntu is based on Debian. [04:29] <wen> is ltsp not the "k12ltsp" (www.k12ltsp.org) linux distribution? [04:29] <DanielC> I think so. [04:30] <DanielC> I think it's the same... someone will correct me if I'm wrong :-) [04:30] <ogra_> wen, ltsp in ubuntu is completely new developed from the ground up [04:30] <DanielC> I did not know that. [04:30] <DanielC> why is that desirable? [04:31] <ogra_> security, upgradeability [04:31] <DanielC> is k12ltsp insecure? [04:33] <ogra_> it opens X to the world.... doesnt support encryption [04:33] <jsgotangco> ogra_: it worked!!!!!! [04:33] <ogra_> i personally consider it insecure [04:33] <ogra_> yay [04:33] <DanielC> ok, thanks [04:33] <DanielC> I'll trust your judgement :-) [04:33] <jsgotangco> i connected the two laptops [04:34] <jsgotangco> what a sucky login page though is this xdm? [04:34] <ogra_> DanielC, our ltsp is built to work over ssl tunnels instead of open X exports [04:34] <ogra_> jsgotangco, :p [04:34] <DanielC> cool [04:34] <ogra_> jsgotangco, i wrote the gui [04:34] <jsgotangco> reminds me of gnome 1.0 [04:34] <jsgotangco> acckkk sorrryyy [04:34] <ogra_> lol [04:34] <ogra_> jsgotangco, i know it sucks ;) [04:35] <jsgotangco> it works [04:35] <ogra_> but its classes better then what we had before :) [04:35] <jsgotangco> we'll worry about aesthetics later [04:35] <jsgotangco> hmmm its quite fast...possibly because im only on cross cable? [04:36] <ogra_> jsgotangco, tahts what we discussed at the meeting... [04:36] <ogra_> jsgotangco, nope, it *is* quite fast ;) but boots slower then k12 [04:36] <jsgotangco> ooppsss sorry...i should just read th scrollback [05:00] <highvoltage> is editing html programming? ubuntu puts bluefish and quanta under programming. [05:01] <highvoltage> weird. [05:01] <DanielC> maybe if you have Javascript :) [05:01] <DanielC> or php! [05:01] <ogra_> nvu is in internet and programming [05:01] <DanielC> php sure is programming. [05:01] <mwest> HTML, JavaScript and PHP are not programming :-) [05:01] <DanielC> PHP is definitely programming. [05:01] <DanielC> What is programming that PHP doesn't have? [05:02] <macgyver2> mwest, what is your definition of programming? [05:02] <mwest> DanielC: it's scripting ;) [05:02] <mwest> macgyver2: I'm mostly being facetious - happens when you have a CS degree :-) [05:02] <DanielC> uhm... what makes a language scripting but not programming? [05:03] <macgyver2> mwest, I was half-serious :) [05:03] <highvoltage> ok. if you say so. bye! [05:04] <mwest> it basically stems from the fact that IS majors tend to think they can programme because they "know Visual Basic" [05:04] <macgyver2> mwest, out of curiosity, what languages did your CS program use? [05:04] <DanielC> what is IS? [05:04] <mwest> so the general feeling is that Java, C/C++, Python, etc. are "real programming languages", while things like JavaScript, BASIC, et al are not [05:04] <mwest> DanielC: Information Systems [05:04] <DanielC> ok [05:05] <mwest> macgyver2: Java, C++ and recently Python :-) [05:05] <DanielC> Incidentally, I'm a mathematecian, not an IS. [05:05] <mwest> macgyver2: and a bit of Lisp and Haskell for FP [05:05] <macgyver2> mwest, nice [05:05] <DanielC> PHP is definitely a programming language. I don't know VB, and I don't want to learn it. I'm happy with C, PHP, Perl, Ruby and Python. [05:06] <DanielC> Haskell rocks. [05:06] <mwest> DanielC: used Ruby-on-Rails at all? I'm loving it [05:06] <DanielC> I haven't actually. [05:06] <ogra_> even if there are ugly languages and less ugly ones :) [05:06] <mwest> DanielC: if you ever have to do any web-based interfaces to a SQL db, give it a try [05:07] <jsgotangco> im a rails user myself [05:07] <DanielC> I think it's reasonable to require programming languages to have conditions and looping. But any language that has that should be considered programming. [05:07] <jsgotangco> but ogra beg to differ on ruby [05:07] <DanielC> mwest: I like PHP for SQL db. [05:07] <jsgotangco> :) [05:08] <DanielC> mwest: I'm currently maintaining a site with PHP+Smarty+MySQL. [05:08] <mwest> DanielC: PHP is like candy - easy sweetness, but too much of it is bad for you :-) [05:08] <DanielC> bah! I've heard the same about Perl. [05:08] <jsgotangco> smarty? [05:08] <DanielC> smarty is a PHP product. [05:08] <mwest> jsgotangco: web templating in PHP, quite nice to work with [05:09] <DanielC> I like it :) [05:09] <mwest> DanielC: I am less of a fan of perl than I am of PHP [05:09] <ogra_> php is ok, the problem with it is that its heavily broken security wise, its holes will bite you sooner or later [05:09] <mwest> ogra_: suphp :-) [05:09] <mwest> php on Ubuntu should come with suphp installed by default, ala the OpenBSD php packages [05:09] <ogra_> <-- doesnt like php, but appreciates people who do it to get the job done [05:10] <ogra_> as i do for every lang... [05:10] <ogra_> even gambas might be ok to get done what you need [05:10] <Arianna> :-) [05:10] <Arianna> Hi [05:10] <Platyna> (-; [05:11] <Platyna> Heja. [05:11] <jsgotangco> hi [05:11] <DanielC> hi [05:11] <Arianna> Is there any "developer" or just edubuntu users? [05:12] <ogra_> Arianna, how can i help ? [05:13] <Arianna> ogra, well, it is maybe a bit farfetched, but I ll try :-) [05:13] <Arianna> ogra, I got an hint over this educational version of Ubuntu. I have been working on a project (open source) that has educational purposes and it is in english. [05:13] <Arianna> it is a 3D MORPG [05:14] <jsgotangco> a game? [05:14] <Arianna> Maybe it is completely out of the path, but maybe not... [05:14] <Arianna> yes, it is. [05:14] <jsgotangco> go on [05:14] <Arianna> www.reflex.lth.se/culture/annelov This is the link. [05:15] <DanielC> what's MMO ? [05:15] <ogra_> Arianna, we are using the same package base as ubuntu, so if you get it included in ubuntu universe, you can use it as well in edubuntu [05:15] <jsgotangco> DanielC: Massively Multiplayer Online [05:15] <DanielC> ah, thanks [05:15] <Arianna> ogra, so I should contact ubuntu people, correct? [05:16] <jsgotangco> Arianna: MOTU people [05:16] <Arianna> Anyway, if anybody else is interested in know more I can just explain. [05:16] <ogra_> Arianna, yes, +ubuntu-motu is the place for universe packages [05:16] <ogra_> #ubuntu-motu indeed [05:16] <Arianna> ok :-) [05:16] <jsgotangco> wow it looks nice [05:16] <Arianna> well, the graphics is what it is since I learnt during the project to model ;P [05:17] <jsgotangco> i see a screenshot of a man being burned as a sacrifice? [05:17] <Arianna> the code is quite stable, but there are bugs - of course - also due to my deadlines and the engine itself (Planeshift engine) [05:17] <ogra_> Arianna, btw, siretart leads the MOTUGames team.... he's probably the right one to nag ;) [05:17] <Arianna> yes, more than a sacrifice is the funeral rite during Bronze Age. The setting of the game is Bronze Age. [05:17] <Arianna> Ok, ogra, I ll try to nag him, then. Thanks for the tip :-D [05:18] <Arianna> oh, here he is. [05:20] <Platyna> See you. ;) [05:29] <mpt> ok, http://edubuntu.org/ updated [05:29] <mpt> not perfect, but it's a start [05:29] <jsgotangco> yay [05:32] <ogra_> mpt, our first goal isa standalone ltsp classroom server, no workstations.... [05:33] <ogra_> the workstation option will be available additionally like ubuntu currently has the server bootoption for the install CD [05:34] <ogra_> we'll only support thin clients by default [05:34] <jsgotangco> ogra_: will edubuntu get discussed in montreal or in a different venue like that in london? [05:35] <ogra_> jsgotangco, i hope so, since we have all the ltsp developers around [05:35] <ogra_> (k12ltsp) [05:35] <jsgotangco> right [05:35] <mpt> ogra_: fixed [05:36] <ogra_> thanks :) [06:04] <ogra_> yay, we have java !! [06:06] <jsgotangco> eh? [06:07] <ogra_> jsgotangco, we have blackdown java in multiverse [06:09] <jsgotangco> oh thats great news indeed [06:12] <jsgotangco> I second the notion and would like to adopt the same strategy for Pakistan, [06:12] <jsgotangco> we have already trained and certified over 4879 people as "Ubuntu-Linux [06:12] <jsgotangco> Certified Users". [06:13] <jsgotangco> loco-contacts list [06:13] <jsgotangco> wow [06:13] <jsgotangco> 4879 people [06:26] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: where did they send that do? it's really amazing! [06:26] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i have no idea but FOSS is incredibly big in India/Pakistan [06:50] <ogra> highvoltage, so did someone explain the build system to you while i fought with my devlish DSL ? [06:51] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, mdz explained, which left me with more questions, but i think i should consult more with motu team, and find more docs. [06:52] <ogra> so was i right with germinate ? i can explain you a bit [06:56] <highvoltage> ok, that would be nice. [07:05] <jsgotangco> good night [07:47] <ball> Does a program's inclusion in "application selection" mean that it will be installed by default, or just that it's there if we want it? [07:48] <ogra> ball, that was the list we discussed back at the summit [07:48] <ball> ogra: right, but is that what ships with it, or what is actually /installed/? [07:49] <ogra> the final list of stuff included on the CD (beyond the standard ubuntu desktop) is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMainInclusion [07:49] <ogra> thats also what gets installed by default [07:49] <ball> Oh, ok. [07:50] <ball> thanks. [07:50] <ogra> additionally you have the whole set of ubuntu packages available online... [07:50] <ogra> since edubuntu gets developed in ubuntu [07:52] <ball> ogra: I should probably try it. I'm wary of kitchen-sink-itis though. [07:52] <ogra> http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting [07:52] <ogra> ;) [07:54] <ball> ...looks a bit complex, but I imagine that's because it's young. [07:54] <ogra> its 5 steps... [07:55] <ogra> thats to complex ? [07:55] <DanielC> the step of configuring dphcp.conf scares me. [07:55] <DanielC> The others are straight forward. [07:55] <ball> Is there a system requirments page somewhere? [07:56] <ogra> DanielC, just copy it as is ;) and make sure your server has 192.168.0.1 [07:56] <ball> requirements* [07:56] <DanielC> ogra: how do I make sure my server "has 192.168.0.1"? What does that mean? (yes, I know what an IP is but...) [07:56] <ogra> ball, not yet, but i test here with a pIII 900 with 256MB, thats enough for a single thin client... i guess even for two [07:57] <ogra> DanielC, just make sure your interface has the static ip 192.168.0.1 [07:57] <DanielC> ah [07:57] <ball> ogra: will it work on VIA C3 chips? [07:57] <ogra> the the default shipped yonfig works [07:57] <ogra> ball, why shouldnt it ? [07:57] <DanielC> ogra: What do I need t do at the server end to do that? [07:58] <ball> ogra: just checking ;-) [07:58] <ball> Ah, just found WorkstationDefinitions. [07:58] <ogra> DanielC edit /etc/network/interfaces [07:58] <ogra> ball, thats only for the clients and doesnt really apply to ltsp (only the thin client part) [07:59] <ogra> DanielC, man interfaces expalins the syntax with examples [07:59] <DanielC> ogra, thanks [07:59] <ball> It might help if I knew a bit more about Linux [08:00] <ogra> ball, edubuntu is a ltsp server/client distro... it installs a ltsp server where you attach diskless clients [08:00] <ball> ...is edubuntu meant for use with diskless workstations, graphical terminals or fat workstations? [08:00] <ogra> (at least the default install) [08:00] <ball> Ah, you answered my question before I asked it ;-) [08:01] <ball> Are the diskless clients workstations (with apps running locally) or terminals (with apps running on the server)? [08:01] <ogra> the final version will also have a standalone workstation install [08:01] <ogra> all apps run on the server [08:01] <DanielC> Should I configure DHCP to listen on both NICs or just the one that has thin clients? [08:02] <ogra> only the one you configured for 192.168.0.1 [08:02] <DanielC> ok [08:02] <ball> I should probably learn about ltsp. [08:03] <ogra> ball, installing edubuntu is probably a good start to do that :) [08:03] <DanielC> ball: thin clients means that they are disk-less clients and the apps run on the server. [08:04] <DanielC> ball: Based on my experience, it's easier to start with either Edubuntu or SkoleLinux than with the k12ltsp page. [08:05] <DanielC> ball: I'm interested in Edubuntu because (1) I love Ubuntu and (2) SkoleLinux has much older software. [08:05] <ball> I only heard about ubuntu yesterday... a classmate mentioned it. [08:05] <DanielC> :-) [08:05] <ogra> DanielC, i guess there will be a new skole release soon [08:05] <ball> I know very little about Linux, but I'm open to the idea. [08:05] <DanielC> ogra: Yeah, I think so. [08:05] <ogra> DanielC, pere knows such things :) [08:06] <DanielC> ball: You should definitely try Linux. I like it a lot. Ubuntu is a good distribution. [08:06] <ball> I like the idea of diskless workstations or graphical terminals, I've used those in the bast. [08:07] <DanielC> ball: I think that using Ubuntu will take you a long way in getting then hang of Linux, and Edubuntu. And Edubuntu will go a long way in teaching you LTSP. [08:07] <ball> I'm surprised at how much edubuntu will install by default... imo it would be nice if I got to choose what was installed. [08:07] <highvoltage> DanielC: Skolelinux has moved over to sarge, it's not that old anymore [08:07] <ball> How much disk space do I need for the server? [08:07] <highvoltage> but yes, edubuntu is probably a better bet (once it's released) [08:07] <DanielC> highvoltage: I checked the website today, and the Sarge release was still labeled as "unstable". [08:08] <highvoltage> ball: about 2GB for installation, and then space for user files, and space for swap-over-nfs swapfiles. [08:08] <DanielC> highvoltage: I installed the latest release today. [08:08] <ball> eww... swap-over-nfs sounds bad. [08:08] <highvoltage> DanielC: ok. they're taking a bit longer than i expected. [08:08] <DanielC> ball: Well, it's a server that is meant to cover everything a school should need. [08:08] <DanielC> ball: Ubuntu itself has a relatively small footprint. [08:08] <DanielC> one of the things I like about it... [08:09] <ogra> highvoltage, i think it depends what you want... if you want 50 servers that talk together and 500 thin clients served by them, edubuntu simply cant provide that yet [08:09] <DanielC> ball: Another thing about Edubuntu is that, thanks to its Debian core, adding and removing packages is dead easy. [08:10] <ball> Wierd to install stuff only to remove it straight away though... would it not be more efficient to ask before installing? [08:10] <DanielC> ball: Yes, I didn't mean to suggest that it was the same. I just meant that if you want to remove something, it's not the end of the world. [08:11] <DanielC> ball: On the other hand, Ubuntu's philosophy is heavily on the side of simplicity and usability. [08:11] <ball> I don't know what the edubuntu filer thing is called, but can I restrict it to users' home directories? [08:11] <ball> (and subdirectories thereof?) [08:11] <DanielC> Other distributions make you choose from thousands of packages on install. Some people like that. [08:12] <DanielC> ball: You can change permissions I guess... [08:12] <DanielC> Restrictions work differently under Linux and Unix. [08:12] <DanielC> What exactly do you want to restrict? [08:12] <DanielC> What do you want the users to not do? [08:13] <ball> DanielC: I only want them to see their own folder, none of the system folders... no /mnt, /etc and so on. [08:13] <DanielC> why not? [08:13] <highvoltage> ball: it's safe for users to see /etc, etc. they can't do anything if they see it. unless you've made some weird config mistake, [08:14] <ball> DanielC: if they don't see it, they can't break it or be confused by it. [08:14] <highvoltage> like putting in a password to another machine in a config file. [08:14] <DanielC> ball: It's not in the Unix philosophy to do that really... [08:14] <DanielC> ball: They can't break it if they do see it. [08:14] <highvoltage> ball: gnome does a good job of keeping users in their home directories ;) [08:14] <ogra> ball, they cant break it [08:14] <ball> I don't want them to see it. [08:14] <DanielC> ball: Only the root super-user can touch /etc [08:14] <highvoltage> you must really want to see more if you want to. [08:14] <DanielC> Besides, they won't see if unless they actively go looking for it. [08:15] <DanielC> which would require prior knowledge of it's existence. [08:15] <ball> Is there a "parent folder" or "up one level" button on the filer? [08:15] <highvoltage> DanielC: that's what i actually meant :) (the activley looking for part) [08:15] <DanielC> ball: yes [08:15] <ball> DanielC: I'd like that greyed out if they're in their home directory. [08:16] <DanielC> ball: try this experiment. Boot an Ubuntu live CD and try to break something in /etc. [08:16] <highvoltage> ball: they need to have access to /etc to log in. [08:16] <highvoltage> otherwise they can't read /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow [08:16] <ball> highvoltage: yes, but that doesn't mean they have to see it in their filer. [08:16] <DanielC> ball: The way Unix is designed, there is no reason to not let them see /etc to have a very secure system. [08:17] <ball> DanielC: I don't want them to see it. [08:17] <DanielC> why not? [08:17] <highvoltage> loop detected [08:17] <DanielC> You are thinking in a very Windows way. [08:17] <ogra> ball, you are right, but currently there is no filemanager in the world supporting that, not even on windows [08:17] <ball> (well, not on my own machines ;-) [08:17] <DanielC> ball: Mac? [08:17] <ball> ogra: perhaps I should write one ;-0 [08:17] <ball> ;-) [08:17] <ogra> yeah [08:17] <ogra> :) [08:17] <DanielC> ball: In Mac you can see /etc. [08:18] <ball> DanielC: I don't use Macs very much [08:18] <DanielC> what do you use then? [08:18] <highvoltage> zx-spectrum [08:18] <DanielC> If it's not Unix or Linux or Winblows or Mac... [08:18] <highvoltage> it's a very secure platform, not one remote exploit since 1982 [08:18] <ball> On my own machines I use NetBSD, but I can't put that in front of civilians. [08:19] <ball> highvoltage: I have fuse installed if that counts ;-) [08:19] <DanielC> ball: Surely you would know that you can't hide /etc and that there's no good reason to. [08:19] <ball> DanielC: I want to. [08:19] <DanielC> ball: chmod go-x /etc [08:19] <highvoltage> DanielC: let ball learn the hard way, when the students want to open tuxpaint and it wont because it can't access /etc/tuxpaint/tuxpaint.conf [08:20] <DanielC> :-) [08:20] <ball> highvoltage: I'm not talking about turning off their access, just hiding it in the file browser. [08:20] <ball> (show 'em their own folder, subfolders thereof and nothing else) [08:20] <highvoltage> well, I suggets you try the file manager in gnome, it's really not that easy to navigate to /etc. [08:20] <ball> I can put links to shared folders in their home folder. [08:20] <DanielC> ball: how would that work? If they can access it, then so can the file browser. [08:20] <highvoltage> you have to really *want* to get to /etc to see it. [08:21] <DanielC> and they'll be bored as heck when they get to it. [08:22] <DanielC> ball: I don't know what to suggest. [08:22] <ball> Okay, if I accept that the user can browse the filesystem at will (file permissions permitting ;-) ...I suppose I need to think about hardware. [08:23] <highvoltage> that might be a better use of time :) [08:23] <ball> Do I need boot ROMs for the workstations? [08:23] <highvoltage> boot roms are nice, but optional. [08:23] <ball> s/workstations/terminals [08:23] <highvoltage> you can also boot from floppies, or from hard disk. [08:24] <highvoltage> you can get the images from http://rom-o-matic.net [08:24] <DanielC> But floppies are flaky, and students like pulling them out and hiding them. [08:24] <ogra> PXE enabled NICs rock :) [08:24] <highvoltage> ogra: etherboot rocks more! [08:24] <ogra> you dont have to think about anything... [08:25] <highvoltage> ogra: he doesn't? [08:25] <DanielC> Is there any practical difference between etherboot and PXE? [08:25] <DanielC> Will both work on Edubuntu for instance? [08:25] <ogra> highvoltage, not with PXE NIC ;) [08:25] <highvoltage> DanielC: etherboot is free software, which does have quit a few practical implications, imo :) [08:25] <DanielC> ok [08:25] <highvoltage> ogra: what do you mean? [08:26] <DanielC> besides freedom, is there any difference? [08:26] <highvoltage> DanielC: etherboot is backwards compatible with PXE, so it will work [08:26] <ball> Do I need a special boot rom for edubuntu? [08:26] <highvoltage> DanielC: pxe just comes on network cards, etherboot you can put on almost any media [08:26] <DanielC> ok [08:26] <highvoltage> and on rom-o-matic.net, you can choose lots of options for etherboot. [08:26] <highvoltage> pxe gives you very few options. [08:27] <highvoltage> (not that you need the options so much, but it is nice, for when you do) [08:27] <ogra> highvoltage, with a PXE enabled NIC you dont have to think about anything... just plug it in and boot [08:27] <ogra> thats what i meant [08:27] <DanielC> Where do you suggest I get etherboot cards? I don't know how to program a ROM. [08:27] <ball> I suppose I should use gigabit ethernet if I'm swapping over it :-/ [08:27] <highvoltage> ogra: with a etherboot boot rom inserted, it's the same ;) [08:27] <ball> hang on though, why would a graphical terminal need to swap anyway?! [08:27] <Petaris> DanielC: Why do you want etherboot cards? [08:28] <ogra> yes, but you have to insert a bootrom ;) [08:28] <highvoltage> ball: on your server, it's a good idea to use gigabit ethernet [08:28] <highvoltage> ogra: boo-hoo! [08:28] <DanielC> Petaris: don't I need them for the thin clients? [08:28] <highvoltage> DanielC: nope [08:28] <Petaris> DanielC: use pxe based cards [08:28] <DanielC> uhmm... what can I use instead? (besides floppies) [08:29] <Petaris> they "just work" tm [08:29] <DanielC> Ok. Where can I get pxe based cards? [08:29] <highvoltage> if you have a gigabit switch (on all ports) and a decent gigabit switch, and you can afford it, you will probably get slightly better performance. but 100mbps is fine for thin clients. [08:29] <Petaris> any where [08:29] <ogra> (but are proprietary) [08:29] <DanielC> good [08:29] <DanielC> And they'll "just work"? [08:29] <ball> Oh, does edubuntu have built-in WoL support, to wake up the terminals from the server keyboard? [08:29] <Petaris> dlink makes good cards [08:30] <Petaris> DanielC: If they are pxe [08:30] <ogra> ball, thats rather a HW issue and we didnt plan such a feature .... [08:30] <DanielC> Petaris: ok [08:30] <Petaris> DanielC: only thing you might run into is adding it to your boot list in the bios [08:30] <ball> ogra: perhaps for the next version... [08:30] <ogra> probably [08:30] <ball> I should be writing this stuff down. [08:30] <DanielC> Petaris: Thanks. I wouldn't have thought of that... [08:31] <Petaris> DanielC: I only thought of it because I ran into that problem on a client the other day ;) [08:32] <ball> If a terminal is switched off and then switched back on again, does the user get reconnected to their session? [08:32] <DanielC> :-) [08:32] <Petaris> ball: no [08:32] <ogra> ball, it needs to boot again... [08:32] <ball> ogra: right, but after the terminal's booted... [08:32] <ball> ? [08:32] <ogra> how should that work if you shout down the power on the NIC its down... [08:33] <ogra> you can save your session in gnome, sure [08:33] <ogra> and go on working where you stopped... but thats no special edubuntu feature [08:33] <ball> ogra: it works with VNC [08:33] <Petaris> this isn't vnc [08:34] <highvoltage> this is xdmcp :) [08:34] <ogra> nope [08:34] <highvoltage> more letters, and more efficient. [08:34] <ogra> this is ssh [08:34] <highvoltage> ogra: nope? [08:34] <Petaris> ssh tunnel [08:34] <ogra> its a simple ssh tunnel [08:34] <highvoltage> ah, yes. edubuntu works differenlty. [08:35] <ball> Would 600 MHz be adequate for the terminals? I'm thinking of EPIA ME6000 fanless mITX boards. [08:36] <ogra> i think so [08:36] <ball> They have to be i386 right? [08:36] <highvoltage> 600mhz is fine. [08:36] <Petaris> ball: more then enough [08:36] <ogra> (said the guy who does his tests with a amd64 3200 512MB machine) [08:36] <highvoltage> hehe [08:37] <ogra> ball, they have to be the same arch as the server [08:37] <Petaris> one of my clients is a fanless via 533MHz with 128MB RAM, works great [08:37] <ogra> ball, you could even do sparc ;) [08:37] <Petaris> could probably even get away with 64MB [08:37] <highvoltage> ogra: they do!? [08:37] <highvoltage> this isn't the same for mainstream ltsp. [08:38] <highvoltage> ah yes, mdz's ltsp uses the same packages on cd, so it must be same arch. [08:38] <highvoltage> hmmm.. [08:38] <highvoltage> seriously, edubuntu ltsp != ltsp more than debian != ubuntu. [08:38] <highvoltage> even though the ltsp guys are fine with it being called ltsp [08:39] <ball> I'm going to have to invest some money on the server... [08:40] <ball> ...perhaps I should build an experimental rig to start with though. [08:40] <Petaris> ball: how many clients? [08:40] <ball> Petaris: probably three or four to start with. [08:40] <Petaris> oh [08:41] <Petaris> you can run that with a fairly small box [08:41] <Petaris> I'm putting in 25 clients [08:42] <ball> define "fairly small" ;-) [08:42] <Petaris> p3 600 or better should do [08:42] <Petaris> with 512 of ram [08:42] <ball> ok [08:43] <Petaris> but that may be different depending on which apps you want to use concurrently [08:43] <highvoltage> ogra: will there be a way to install an off-line copy of wikipedia with edubuntu? [08:44] <highvoltage> i mean, a quick and easy way that teachers could follow? [08:45] <ogra> highvoltage, see #u-d [08:46] <highvoltage> k [08:46] <highvoltage> ah [08:46] <ball> Hmm... I doubt these mainboards come with a boot ROM socket :-/ [08:48] <Petaris> ball: Which country are you in? [08:48] <ball> ...shame to waste the only PCI slot on a NIC [08:48] <ball> Petaris: USA [08:48] <Petaris> ball: http://www.solarpc.com/ [08:48] <Petaris> That is where I get my clients [08:49] <Petaris> ball: is this for a school? [08:49] <ball> That rings a bell, I may have looked at those in the past. [08:49] <ball> No, but it is for use in an educational environment. [08:50] <Petaris> ahh [08:50] <Petaris> I'm a k-12 in Wisconsin [08:50] <Petaris> This is going to be a new elementary lab [08:50] <ball> Nice. [08:51] <ball> My wife is a teacher in a middle school. This is for somewhere else though. I'm in Illinois btw. [08:51] <Petaris> ahh [08:51] <ball> I'm still learning my way around the American education framework [08:51] <ball> people tell me what grade their in and I ask "how old is that"? :-) [08:51] <Petaris> ball: best just to get a bulldozer and plow through all the bs [08:52] <ball> s/their/they're [08:53] <ball> Petaris: are yours running from 12V DC? [08:53] <Petaris> there is a powerblock that converts from ac to the dc [08:54] <Petaris> but they are 12vdc [08:54] <ball> A wall-wart type thing? [08:54] <Petaris> I'm not sure you could find them there [08:54] <Petaris> I got them from SolarPC with the units [08:55] <Petaris> but it is a standard plug [08:55] <Petaris> for the 12vdc [08:56] <Petaris> ball: we got a server, 25 clients, keyboards, monitors, and mice for just under $8,000.00 [08:56] <Petaris> all from SolarPC [08:56] <Petaris> the monitors are remans, but the rest is new [08:58] <ball> coaxial DC plug? [09:00] <Petaris> its a round plug with a hole in the center [09:00] <ball> I should request a catalogue [09:00] <ball> Yes, that's the ones. [09:01] <Petaris> ball: give me a few secounds and I'll shoot up some pics of the powerbrick and clients [09:02] <ball> Did the clients need boot ROMs? [09:04] <Petaris> nope [09:04] <Petaris> they just work [09:08] <ball> Do they have 100baseTX ports? [09:08] <ball> ...or 1000baseT? [09:08] <Petaris> hrm, I think they are 10/100 [09:09] <Petaris> but I have dual 1000 nics on the server [09:09] <ball> Are your clients diskless graphical terminals? [09:09] <Petaris> yep [09:10] <Petaris> just a min, will have pics up [09:10] <ball> Are they quiet? [09:10] <ball> ok [09:10] <Petaris> yeah [09:12] <highvoltage> Petaris: we set up our labs for about $3400, with 20 clients [09:12] <Petaris> highvoltage: I went with slightly better hardware then needed [09:13] <Petaris> I'll explain later [09:13] <highvoltage> ah, always good to do that, especially on server and switch. [09:14] <highvoltage> we've used some cheap switches before that didn't work out that well. [09:14] <ball> Will edubuntu eventually support actual VNC graphical terminals? [09:15] <ogra> absolutely, the ubuntu desktop we build on actually has full vnc support [09:16] <ball> So I could use graphical terminals instead of messing with diskless workstations or PC parts? [09:16] <Petaris> ball: all of mine are graphical [09:16] <highvoltage> ogra: have you seen xdmcp chooser? will edubuntu have something similar? [09:16] <Petaris> these boxes are really plug and play [09:17] <ogra> highvoltage, i dont think that would make much sense with the ssh tunneled ltsp [09:17] <ball> thinking of something like this... - Andrew Ball [09:17] <ball> oops :-) [09:17] <ball> paste doesn't work quite right here ;-) [09:18] <ball> http://www.hoovercs.com/images/yvnc.gif [09:18] <ogra> highvoltage, you want to crossconnect between the clients with it ? [09:18] <highvoltage> what some schools have done is, [09:19] <highvoltage> they've put in a server which is the official server, [09:19] <highvoltage> and another one which is the "computer club" server, one that they can play with and mess about. [09:19] <highvoltage> and then on the thin clients, the chooser starts, and the kids can select their server. [09:19] <ogra> thats not what edubuntu can offer in this stage [09:20] <ogra> probably with sdm which i still havent seen yet [09:20] <highvoltage> ok. when my breezy box is ok again i'll play with it. [09:20] <ogra> yes, try it [09:21] <ogra> indeed you can install in the chroot what you want, even xdmcp, but edubuntu servers simply dont export X so that xdmcp could connect to it [09:26] <Petaris> ball: [09:26] <Petaris> ball: http://katerina.frederic.k12.wi.us/code/naig/index.php [09:26] <Petaris> there are the images [09:26] <Petaris> sorry, they are not the best [09:28] <Petaris> and the gallery software is experimental, so it could have a few issues [09:28] <Petaris> The first client shown is the 533MHz [09:28] <Petaris> the second is the 1GHz [09:28] <Petaris> the second also has a CF card reader [09:29] <ball> Do you boot of the CF on the second? [09:29] <ball> ...or is that just in case? :-) [09:29] <Petaris> no, but I could [09:29] <Petaris> That is for booting a micro win98 enviornment I might need [09:29] <Petaris> other wise I wouldn't have ordered them [09:30] <Petaris> *them = CF card readers [09:30] <ball> Petaris: thanks, the pictures give me a good idea of their size. [09:31] <Petaris> yeah, think laptop [09:31] <Petaris> The 1GHz is for if this project bombs [09:31] <Petaris> I can buy hard drives and stick them in there, bingo computers [09:31] <ball> heh [09:31] <Petaris> :) [09:31] <ball> I've just noticed the time [09:32] <ball> I have to god [09:32] <Petaris> Always have a backup plan [09:32] <ball> go* [09:32] <Petaris> bye [09:32] <ball> Thanks for your help, and your patience chaps (and chapesses ;-) [09:32] <ogra> bye [09:33] <Petaris> ogra, highvoltage, you guys might want to check out those pics as well [09:33] <Petaris> they make a good client [09:33] <ogra> they look neat... [09:34] <ogra> especially the one with the chrome knob and cf reader [09:34] <ogra> but i've seen way smaller clients.... they are quite big... [09:35] <Petaris> ogra: thats so they can fit a hdd [09:35] <Petaris> or a full size pci [09:35] <Petaris> :) [09:35] <ogra> yup, but if i dont need a HD, a 9x15x2 case is a bit cooler ;) [09:35] <Petaris> yep [09:36] <ogra> as big as a 2cm thick postcard [09:36] <Petaris> oh, thats cm [09:37] <Petaris> ok, that makes more sence [09:37] <ogra> germany here ;) [09:37] <Petaris> I was thinking inches [09:37] <Petaris> and thinking, thats not that small [09:37] <Petaris> hehe [09:38] <ogra> you can use little brackets and attach them under the table with screws... [09:38] <Petaris> these you can as well [09:38] <ogra> true [09:38] <Petaris> in fact, thats how we are mounting them [09:38] <ogra> heh [09:43] <DanielC> Help, I'm confused. When I ran 'apt-get install edubuntu-server' I told the DHCP server to run on eth1. Now, I just opened /etc/network/interfaces and it says "iface eth1 inet dhcp". That can't be right... [09:44] <DanielC> "iface eth1 inet dhcp" means that it *obtains* the address from DHCP, right? [09:44] <DanielC> That should be changed to "iface eth1 inet static address 192.168.0.1" right? [09:45] <Petaris> hrm, gftp keeps dying on me [09:47] !lilo:*! Updating channel guidelines.... please take a look at http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines_draft_1124910402.shtml#sensitivematerial (comments appreciated) [09:47] <Petaris> hrm, I still get that kernel panic on the first time boot [09:47] <Petaris> :/ [09:48] <ogra> kernel panic ? [09:48] <Petaris> yeah [09:48] <ogra> ah, you mean the nfst timeout [09:48] <Petaris> it only happens the first time I try to boot the client [09:48] <ogra> nfs even [09:48] <Petaris> yep [09:48] <Petaris> it comes up as a kernel panic [09:48] <ogra> thats solved in the recent versions [09:49] <Petaris> ahh [09:49] <ogra> when did you upgrade the last time ? [09:49] <Petaris> not since install [09:49] <ogra> did you tweak much in the chroot ? [09:49] <ogra> (in /opt/ltsp... ? ) [09:50] <Petaris> nope [09:50] <Petaris> not at all [09:50] <Petaris> I added an /opt/scripts [09:50] <ogra> then just run sudo ltsp-build-client again [09:50] <Petaris> but that is on its own [09:50] <Petaris> ok [09:50] <Petaris> will do [09:50] <ogra> it will get you the latest client environment [09:51] <ogra> you should als update the server.... there was a new kernel release inbetween [09:53] <Petaris> update the server how? [09:54] <Petaris> apt-get update, apt-get updgrade? [09:54] <Petaris> or do you mean ltsp-server [09:54] <Petaris> er, edubuntu-server [09:54] <ogra> nope, a system upgrade [09:54] <Petaris> as in the package [09:54] <Petaris> ok [09:55] <ogra> so the first one you mentioned [09:55] <Petaris> yep [09:55] <Petaris> will do [09:55] <ogra> good [09:56] <ogra> a lot bugs are gone.... [09:56] <Petaris> I wish this script ran faster [09:56] <ogra> the ltsp update ? [09:56] <Petaris> yeah [09:57] <ogra> it scans te integrity of all packages first... [09:57] <Petaris> ahh [09:58] <Petaris> Then maybe it should be more verbose, so it looks like it is doing something [09:58] <ogra> the final version will install from cd thats a lot faster then [10:14] <highvoltage> ogra: elmo says there's no plone packages for hoary, which the edubuntu server is currently running. [10:14] <highvoltage> what's the best way about installing plone, should i check on the plone site? [10:16] <highvoltage> ok. going to bed now. goodnight! [10:16] <Petaris> night highvoltage

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.827889

2005-08-29-#ubuntu-motu

[01:23] <Nafallo> anyone alive that can confirm that timer-applet still depends on libcairo1? [01:24] <mbreit> good night everybody [01:24] <Nafallo> mbreit: gnight :-) [01:24] <tseng> Nafallo: cairo2 for me [01:25] <Nafallo> tseng: i386? [01:25] <tseng> yes [01:25] <Nafallo> hmm [01:26] <Nafallo> could it be that we have diffrent deps on diffrent architectures or something like that? :-/ [01:26] <Nafallo> my amd64 says libcairo1 [01:26] <slomo> can be... or different version on different archs [01:26] <tseng> if it didint build on amd64... [01:27] <Nafallo> I was more thinking about if it could have built to early on amd64 or something like that. [01:28] <tseng> i guess [01:30] <StrikeForce> ajmitch, you still on? [01:31] <Nafallo> I ask mdz about it :-) [01:43] <StrikeForce> erm can I have someone look at a package for me please [01:44] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: yes, but I'm at work [01:44] <StrikeForce> lol [01:44] <StrikeForce> I have to have a shower then head to work [01:44] <StrikeForce> same place I've separate them into folders [01:44] <StrikeForce> if you still have the link [01:51] <StrikeForce> can anyone explain what no utmp entry available and LOGNAME not defined; using uid of process (0) means? [01:52] <ajmitch> ignore it [01:57] <StrikeForce> sweet [01:57] <StrikeForce> well its all working usuing pbuilder [02:00] <sean___> heyas, im looking at helping the MOTU team out, just wondering where i need to start [02:05] <bmonty> hi everyone [02:05] <sean___> elllo bmonty [03:20] <_derek> \sh_away: you here? [05:10] <|QuaD-> i hate xorg/gnome! it freezes right when it loads! [05:14] <phlaegel> |QuaD-: on the gnome splash screen? [05:14] <|QuaD-> yeah [05:15] <|QuaD-> when it is loading things like update-notifier [05:15] <phlaegel> is this a laptop by any chance? with an ati video chip? [05:16] <|QuaD-> nope [05:16] <|QuaD-> desktop with nvidia [05:16] <phlaegel> then I don't know what it is :-) [05:16] <jsgotangco> |QuaD-, breezy? [05:17] <|QuaD-> jsgotangco: yeah [05:19] <|QuaD-> jsgotangco: you have any suggestions? [05:19] <jsgotangco> heh i've experienced worse [05:19] <jsgotangco> |QuaD-, daily build? or Colony? [05:19] <|QuaD-> jsgotangco: daily build, i apt-get upgrade/distupgrade daily to try to fix it [05:20] <jsgotangco> daily doesn't really mean its fixed [05:20] <|QuaD-> jsgotangco: i was hoping it would get fixed, but in the 2 months it hasn't :( [05:20] <|QuaD-> i have tried fixing my config [05:20] <|QuaD-> and everything [05:20] <jsgotangco> days after colony 3, majority is borked [05:20] <jsgotangco> yesterday installer was borked [05:21] <|QuaD-> yeah [05:21] <|QuaD-> but htis has been for a while [05:22] <jsgotangco> its expected after all, this is a development snapshot [05:22] <|QuaD-> jsgotangco: yeah [05:22] <jsgotangco> its more painful in laptop testing [05:22] <jsgotangco> heh [05:22] <|QuaD-> jsgotangco: haha yeah [05:22] <|QuaD-> i am just wondering whats wrong [05:22] <jsgotangco> have you tried searching in bugzilla? [05:23] <jsgotangco> if there is none, its best you file a bug [05:23] <jsgotangco> and make sure you indicated that you're running breezy [05:23] <|QuaD-> jsgotangco: hmm alright [05:24] <jsgotangco> because its not going to be fixed if no one reports it :) [05:24] <|QuaD-> jsgotangco: yeah [05:25] <|QuaD-> how are we supposed to restart an xserver now [05:25] <jsgotangco> ctrl-alt-backspace? [05:25] <|QuaD-> jsgotangco: from terminal, xserver is frozen [05:25] <ajmitch> how evil [05:26] <|QuaD-> ajmitch: i know! [07:34] <ajmitch> \sh: currently doing a trial rebuild of the cairo1->2 & slang2 lists with a new script I wrote :) [07:35] <\sh> nice :) [07:35] <\sh> and I managed to connect to talk.google.com [07:35] <ajmitch> if they build ok, then all I have to do is run debsign :) [07:35] <ajmitch> & dput, of course [07:39] <schweeb> you guys going to the next ubuntu conf? [07:39] <ajmitch> schweeb: that's a definite 'maybe' [07:39] <schweeb> I'm excited, it's on my continent this time [07:39] <ajmitch> it's a long way to swim from NZ [07:39] <schweeb> albeit ~12 hrs away on my continent [07:39] <jsgotangco> \sh, what's your google account i will add you to mine [07:40] <ajmitch> I was very lucky to have UDU so close [07:40] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, aye [07:40] <\sh> shr591 [07:40] <schweeb> I would have loved to have gone... I would have showed up a week early for vacation [07:40] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, jetlag sucks [07:41] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, but then, those from europe and north america experienced that in sydney [07:41] <jsgotangco> heh [07:41] <ajmitch> I bet [07:41] <ajmitch> heh [07:41] <schweeb> I just compiled E17, and it's pretty frigging slick [07:42] <ajmitch> so where are the ubuntu packages? :) [07:42] <schweeb> workin on it [07:42] <schweeb> not that they'd be aproved by release time or anything [07:42] <ajmitch> nope [07:42] <schweeb> plus, I'd have to do upkeep on them! [07:42] <ajmitch> you'd be really pushing to get them into universe [07:43] <jsgotangco> that would be awesome [07:43] <schweeb> keeping up w/ the CVS of something like E17 would be nuts [07:43] <schweeb> but I plan on keeping up with development as best as I can [07:43] <ajmitch> schweeb: sure, I used to do daily snapshot debs of other software [07:44] <schweeb> but that other software wasn't E17, where complete code rewrites are the norm [07:44] <schweeb> :p [07:44] <ajmitch> of course not [07:44] <ajmitch> that project had an implicit policy of the tree being releasable at any time :) [07:45] <ajmitch> only 'good' code got checked in [07:45] <schweeb> I've gotta stop spending so much time at bars, and start spending time doing OSS stuff again [07:45] <schweeb> in case you guys haven't noticed, I haven't done a damned thing since I turned 21 [07:45] <schweeb> :p [07:45] <ajmitch> well I don't know when you turned 21 :) [07:46] <schweeb> May [07:46] <ajmitch> legal age is 18 here.. [07:46] <schweeb> yea, not that it stopped me from drinking, I just couldn't drink in most bars [07:46] <jsgotangco> hmm the windows client showed me all the emails i received today [07:48] <ajmitch> ok, this script seems to be working moderately well [07:48] <ajmitch> got a few too many FTBFS packages :) [07:48] <schweeb> build log parser? [07:48] <ajmitch> nope [07:49] <ajmitch> script to throw packages at pbuilder [07:49] <schweeb> ah [07:49] <ajmitch> and mail results to me [07:49] <ajmitch> amongst other things [07:51] <ajmitch> I might put in some post-build hooks [07:51] <ajmitch> so I can run simple tests (checking dependencies, piuparts) [10:27] <ivoks> hellou [10:28] <ogra> hey ivoks [10:40] <\sh> hellou? sounds like hellau and alaaf ,-) [10:42] <ivoks> :) [10:43] <ivoks> i have a problem :( [10:43] <ivoks> how to create scripts that would: [10:44] <ivoks> a) create conf file on install [10:44] <ivoks> b) not remove it on remove, but remove it on purge [10:44] <ivoks> c) not overwrite it on upgrade :) [10:44] <\sh> postinstall / postrm [10:44] <ivoks> postrm would remove it on upgrade [10:45] <\sh> no..u can ask [10:45] <ivoks> no asking :) [10:45] <\sh> use a case switch on $1 and if it's remove don't do anything [10:45] <\sh> or if it's purge remove it from hd [10:45] <ivoks> i'm talking about dpkg [10:46] <\sh> yes [10:46] <\sh> case "$1" in purge|remove|upgrade|failed-upgrade|abort-install|abort-upgrade|disappear) [10:47] <\sh> apt-get is using dpkg as backend... [10:49] <ivoks> nope... [10:49] <ivoks> argh... [10:50] <ivoks> never mind... [11:02] <jtan325> hi. a program I'm trying to build a package for has build-deps on aclocal 1.9.4, libtool 1.5.6, autoheader 2.59, automake1.9, autoconf 2.59, xlibs-dev, and of course debhelper [11:02] <jtan325> i am trying to figure out what to put in Build-Depends for rules [11:02] <jtan325> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), xlibs-dev, aclocal (>= 1.9.4), libtool (>= 1.5.6), autoheader (>= 2.59), automake1.9, autoconf (>= 2.59) [11:02] <jtan325> Build-Conflicts: autoconf (= 2.13), automake (= 1.4) [11:02] <ivoks> \sh: thanks [11:02] <ivoks> you were right [11:02] <jtan325> does that look right? [11:02] <\sh> ivoks: u r welcome :) [11:02] <jtan325> the only one i'm unsure about is aclocal [11:03] <ivoks> new wifi-radar rocks [11:03] <\sh> grmpf [11:03] <ivoks> ah, dman :( [11:03] <\sh> I don't get seahorse-agent running...debuild -S failes to use the agent [11:10] <StrikeForce> Can anyone have a look at a package for me? [11:10] <siretart> hi ivoks [11:10] <ivoks> siretart: hi :) [11:10] <ivoks> siretart: check out new wifi radar package [11:11] <siretart> ivoks: if you want to update wifi-radar, better provide debdiffs. it is already in breezy [11:11] <ivoks> ok [11:11] <siretart> ivoks: I will have a look at your latest uploads in revu [11:11] <ivoks> only last one :) [11:11] <siretart> ivoks: please do full uploads in future (use -S -sa instead of sole -S) [11:11] <\sh> trying to build a new version for seahorse [11:11] <ivoks> ok [11:11] <ivoks> -S -sa :) [11:13] <ivoks> siretart: how to upload debdiff? [11:13] <siretart> ivoks: not to revu, perhaps we can do that in revu2 [11:13] <ivoks> hence the question :) [11:13] <siretart> ivoks: place your .debdiff somewhere, and ping me with the url [11:13] <siretart> or mail it to me [11:13] <siretart> or whatever ;) [11:14] <StrikeForce> siretart, I've been asked by SloMo_ to talk to you about uploading a package for breezy [11:14] <ivoks> www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/wifi-ubuntu4-ubuntu5.diff [11:14] <StrikeForce> for breezy that is [11:16] <siretart> ivoks: this afternoon, I'm at work atm [11:16] <ivoks> siretart: np [11:16] <ivoks> siretart: no big changes... just added wifi-radar daemon :) [11:16] <siretart> ivoks: wifi-radar has a daemon now? why that? [11:16] <ivoks> allways had [11:17] <ivoks> cause nm-applet sucks big time [11:17] <siretart> hm. is there any possibility to not start that daemon on bootup? [11:17] <ivoks> and i don't want to run wifi-radar every time... so... [11:17] <ivoks> siretart: update-rc.d [11:17] <siretart> see, my pcmcia wifi card does not support scanning, so wifi-radar is not usable at all on that laptop :/ [11:18] <ivoks> eh... [11:18] <siretart> ivoks: hm. thats not that friendly. and is likley to break across upgrades [11:18] <siretart> will think about an improvment.. [11:18] <ivoks> why would it break? [11:19] <ivoks> you can still run wifi-radar normally [11:19] <ivoks> nothing changed... [11:19] <ivoks> now it just, if your card can scan, scans for known networks and conects to them [11:19] <siretart> I'll have to take a closer look, was just my first glance.. [11:20] <ivoks> it will not connect to unknown network neither it will freeze boot or something if it can't find anything [11:20] <ivoks> it will do whan nm-applet does, but without bind, and additional 10 seconds lag to booting :) [11:21] <ivoks> siretart: np, when you have time, check it out... i have to go now... [11:22] <ivoks> bye [11:23] <pef> hello [11:26] <StrikeForce> hi [12:07] <ivoks> gajim is nice :) [12:07] <JanC> yes :) [12:08] <ivoks> i guess, there isn't windows version :) [12:08] <JanC> there is [12:08] <ivoks> wow! great [12:08] <JanC> now if Google would put the correct SRV records for google talk in their DNS... [12:08] <Treenaks> JanC: then? [12:09] <JanC> Treenaks, without those records other servers don't know where to send messages for google's jabber users... [12:10] <ivoks> there are google jabber users? :) [12:10] <JanC> and gajim would be able to find google's jabber server without user help [12:10] <JanC> http://www.google.com/talk/otherclients.html [12:10] <JanC> we need to get gajim in that list too ;) [12:12] <jtan325> hi. i am follow the new main. guide, and am on the building part. i run into the following error after "debuild -us -uc": [12:12] <ivoks> JanC: what's your JID? [12:12] <jtan325> Format: debiandoc-sgml [12:12] <jtan325> Files: /usr/share/doc/conky/conky.sgml.gz [12:12] <jtan325> Format: postscript [12:12] <jtan325> Files: /usr/share/doc/conky/conky.ps.gz [12:12] <jtan325> whoops [12:12] <jtan325> cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.sub config.sub [12:12] <jtan325> cp: `/usr/share/misc/config.sub' and `config.sub' are the same file [12:12] <jtan325> make: *** [clean] Error 1 [12:12] <jtan325> debuild: fatal error at line 764: [12:12] <jtan325> has anyone run into this before? [12:13] <jtan325> the program i'm trying to package relies on aclocal, libtoolize, autoheader, automake, and finally, autoconf before "./configure" [12:14] <jtan325> so i added program calls (to the correct version too) in the configure rule in debian/control, before the "./configure" already there [12:15] <jtan325> program calls = those things mentioned above that it relies on [12:15] <jtan325> am i in the right direction? [12:15] <jtan325> is this even the place to ask for help on packaging stuff? [12:15] <jtan325> any reponse would be appreciated :-) [12:20] <jtan325> cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.sub config.sub [12:20] <jtan325> cp: `/usr/share/misc/config.sub' and `config.sub' are the same file [12:20] <jtan325> make: *** [clean] Error 1 [12:21] <jtan325> i cannot figure out what i am doing wrong [12:21] <jtan325> now [12:21] <jtan325> the program i am trying to package [12:21] <Mithrandir> jtan325: config.sub is a symlink? [12:21] <jtan325> why, it appears so [12:21] <jtan325> oh crap [12:22] <jtan325> i meant to ask this question in #ubuntu [12:22] <jtan325> got lost in the cutting and pasting :-) [12:22] <jtan325> but any ideas, Mithrandir [12:23] <jtan325> i apologize for posting the same thing twice [12:23] <Mithrandir> just get rid of the config.{sub,auto} update [12:23] <jtan325> that was unintentional, it meant to go to #ubuntu [12:25] <jtan325> Mithrandir, i can't find it in debian/rules. is that where it should be? [12:35] <jtan325> well thanks for your help any Mithrandir [12:35] <jtan325> i removed the symlinks, now it complains about other stuff [12:35] <jtan325> but that's for me to battle [12:45] <StrikeForce> Can I get someone to look at a package for me please [12:46] <StrikeForce> Can someone have a look at my rebuild of the debian gajim [12:47] <StrikeForce> ajmitch, you on? [12:49] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: yes? [12:49] <StrikeForce> sweet [12:49] <StrikeForce> can you have a look at 2 packages for me please [12:49] <ajmitch> maybe [12:49] <StrikeForce> http://www.smlintl.com.au/packages [12:50] <StrikeForce> slomo asked me to upload them to REVU however I don't have an account [12:50] <ajmitch> why gajim? [12:50] <StrikeForce> someone asked for it [12:50] <lathiat> gajim is love [12:51] <StrikeForce> I feel like a whore though :) cause I basically copied the debian one [12:51] <lathiat> StrikeForce: heh nah thats good [12:51] <StrikeForce> and obviously I gave him credit [12:51] <ajmitch> and \sh has made a couple of uploads of gajim today [12:51] <StrikeForce> I just changed one thing [12:51] <siretart> StrikeForce: you want to upload to revu? [12:51] <StrikeForce> yeah please [12:51] <StrikeForce> siretart, yeah please [12:51] <StrikeForce> if someone else has done gajim its fine [12:51] <siretart> StrikeForce: your gnupg id please? [12:51] <StrikeForce> I just thought I would give it a go [12:51] <ajmitch> yes, \sh has done (via revu) [12:52] <siretart> StrikeForce: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=453 [12:52] <StrikeForce> siretart, 6512C8D8 [12:52] <ajmitch> more rufus? [12:52] <StrikeForce> thats what you want right? [12:52] <StrikeForce> yeah rufus is there [12:52] <StrikeForce> I've finished the editing for breezy this morning [12:53] <StrikeForce> so I'm hoping you can pick the 'shit' out of it and tell me improvements [12:53] <siretart> StrikeForce: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2005-August/009987.html [12:53] <StrikeForce> I'm learning as I go [12:53] <StrikeForce> hopefully I can be more constructive [12:53] <siretart> StrikeForce: we already have gajim in the archive. [12:53] <ajmitch> you still haven't put python in Build-Depends [12:53] <StrikeForce> thats fine siretart I won't upload it [12:54] <ajmitch> and you still have to strip the unneeded dh_* out of debian/rules [12:54] <StrikeForce> your right [12:54] <StrikeForce> I did I thought? [12:54] <siretart> StrikeForce: key added [12:54] <StrikeForce> thanks siretart [12:54] <ajmitch> I'm looking at http://www.smlintl.com.au/packages/rufus/breezy/rufus-0.5.6/debian/ [12:55] <StrikeForce> yeah [12:55] <ajmitch> and do you need things like dh_strip, when there's no binaries to strip? [12:55] <StrikeForce> doh your right [12:55] <ajmitch> dh_installpam, etc... [12:55] <StrikeForce> I thought I cleaned them out [12:55] <StrikeForce> soz [12:55] <ajmitch> (not just commented ones) [12:55] <ajmitch> and you have dh_python commented out [12:56] <ajmitch> when you could be using that & ${python:Depends} [12:56] <StrikeForce> hmmm [12:56] <ajmitch> dh_install * -Xdebian $(DESTDIR)/usr/share/rufus [12:56] <ajmitch> would put the rufus 'binary' in there as well? [12:57] <ajmitch> yes, it puts everything in there.. [12:57] <StrikeForce> well the rufus itself is a shells cript [12:57] <StrikeForce> script [12:57] <StrikeForce> and it runs rufus.py [12:57] <ajmitch> so is there a need for all the *.TXT, *.bat, etc files in /usr/share/rufus? [12:57] <StrikeForce> do I have to put -X and all the docs? [12:58] <StrikeForce> nope thats why I'm asking [12:58] <ajmitch> and the build dir as well? [12:58] <StrikeForce> so when I transfer it I should just remove those? [12:58] <ajmitch> if they're not needed [12:59] <StrikeForce> as in dh_install * -Xdebian -X *.TXT blah blah? [12:59] <ajmitch> you should perhaps use an install file [12:59] <ajmitch> eg rufus.install [12:59] <ajmitch> which lists patterns to install, instead of things to exclude [01:00] <StrikeForce> so should I put stuff in /usr/lib? [01:00] <ajmitch> no [01:00] <ajmitch> why do you think that? [01:01] <StrikeForce> nm I thought it had it in there [01:01] <StrikeForce> it was a sub-directory of /usr/share nm mis-read [01:01] <StrikeForce> I'm not understanding the install [01:01] <ajmitch> oh _finally_ I have these build logs mailed to me [01:02] <dredg> oh, btw.. gajim++ [01:02] <dredg> yum [01:04] <StrikeForce> wouldn't the rufus shell script be sufficient to point to /usr/share/rufus.py? [01:04] <StrikeForce> or should I be looking at it another way? [01:05] <ajmitch> possibly [01:05] <StrikeForce> I've added Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), ${python:Depends} [01:06] <ajmitch> I haven't used it as you do [01:06] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: no, don't do that [01:06] <ajmitch> ${python:Depends} goes in Depends [01:06] <ajmitch> man dh_python for the details [01:06] <StrikeForce> just add to the depends section? [01:07] <ajmitch> and you have to at least depend on python-minimal [01:07] <StrikeForce> kk [01:07] <StrikeForce> yeah I"ve done that [01:08] <ajmitch> sorry, build-depend [01:08] <StrikeForce> yeah under build-depend [01:08] <StrikeForce> the problem is though is that rufus.py doesn't create a home directory but the shell script rufus does [01:08] <StrikeForce> so the shell script rufus which creates all the stuff then -> rufus.py under /usr/share/rufus [01:09] <ajmitch> ok.. [01:09] <StrikeForce> thats the only reason I did it that way [01:09] <StrikeForce> I tried without it but it needs it built [01:09] <StrikeForce> as in the directories [01:10] <StrikeForce> should I withdraw that shell script from when its transferred? [01:10] <StrikeForce> it would be cleaner wouldn't it? [01:10] <ajmitch> possibly [01:10] <StrikeForce> since its not needed in the /usr/share/rufus directory [01:10] <ajmitch> sorry, but I've got to go.. [01:10] <StrikeForce> kk take care get some sleep :) [01:11] <ajmitch> bye [01:11] <StrikeForce> one last question once the changes are in place shoudl I upload it or get someone to appraise it first then upload it? [01:11] <StrikeForce> e.g. bother you again :) [01:29] <siretart> can please anyone with breezy try to open a png file with the gimp? - this fails for me because of some missing input filter [01:30] <siretart> I cannot image which package I would miss. can someone confirm this before I make a bugreport? [01:38] <\sh> i can't even get the open file dialog [01:38] <\sh> cashing [01:38] <\sh> crashing even [01:39] <siretart> oh [01:39] <\sh> it freezing and then comes the "window gimp is not responding" [01:40] <SloMo_> good morning [01:42] <siretart> hi slomo [01:46] <JanC> siretart, I can open png files with the gimp in breezy ? [01:47] <siretart> JanC: ok. then there is something wrong on my side. thank you [01:47] <JanC> or something with the png file... [01:47] <siretart> possibly [01:50] <siretart> JanC: the png was corrupt [02:02] <mdke> hello! [02:03] <mdke> is there any chance of getting a newer version of ddclient in breezy? [02:03] <mdke> current one doesn't support dnspark [02:06] <mdke> (3.6.2) [02:08] <Yagisan> G'day All [02:10] <siretart> mdke: hm. it's a leaf package, no packages depending on it. [02:10] <mdke> siretart, is that good for my request? [02:11] <mdke> something that is bad is that I notice that debian stable, testing and unstable all have the same version as Breezy [02:12] <siretart> mdke: it's a bit dangerous then. I'd rather see a package, preferably in debian which I can consider.. [02:13] <mdke> siretart, i/we could stress the debian maintainer about it? [02:13] <mdke> how much time is there available? [02:14] <siretart> mdke: we are already in feature freeze ;) [02:14] <mdke> ah i thought that didn't apply to universe [02:14] <siretart> mdke: you could file a wishlist bug against the debian package [02:14] <mdke> ddclient is vital for me because otherwise I can't update my dynamic ip information with dnspark [02:15] <mdke> i will file the bug and email the DD [02:15] <mdke> :) [02:16] <mdke> gosh debian has a weird way of filing bugs [02:17] <siretart> mdke: why weird? they have a nice mail interface. in addition to that, there is 'reportbug' [02:17] <Yagisan> mdke: actually I like debians way better, you don't need to register [02:17] <Yagisan> I wish ubuntu would use it [02:18] <siretart> Yagisan: i also love the debian bts. but I don't think it would make sense for ubuntu [02:18] <Yagisan> siretart: I really miss the mailing interface [02:18] <mdke> i'm just not used to it [02:18] <mdke> i'm used to using bugzilla [02:18] <Yagisan> I had to register to report a bug [02:18] <siretart> Yagisan: /me too [02:18] <jtan325> can someone tell me if this is the place to ask questions about packaging and get help on it? [02:18] <mdke> siretart, anyway the bug is already open, since november :( [02:18] <jtan325> or should i ask somewhere else [02:18] <mdke> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=279542 [02:18] <siretart> jtan325: sure, just ask :) [02:19] <jtan325> ok [02:19] <jtan325> sweet [02:19] <Yagisan> and reportbug helps me get all the dependencys needed for a good report [02:19] <jtan325> well siretart you recommended that DeveloperResources wiki page yesterday [02:19] <jtan325> i have been following the new main. guide step by step [02:19] <jtan325> and it's going quite well [02:19] <jtan325> my adventure into build a package for a small program [02:19] <jtan325> anyway [02:20] <mdke> siretart, what do you think? that bug has been open for many months... [02:20] <jtan325> i am up to the point where i check my successfully-built package (using debuild) with lintian [02:20] <jtan325> lintian is complaining, E: conky: manpage-in-wrong-directory usr/share/man/mang/conky.1.gz, E: conky: manpage-in-wrong-directory usr/share/man/manh/docs.html.gz [02:20] <jtan325> (conky is the name of the package) [02:20] <jtan325> now [02:21] <jtan325> at first i thought my man page was messed up [02:21] <jtan325> in its .TH line [02:21] <jtan325> here is the .TH line for conky.1, which is located in the doc/ subdir from top-level [02:21] <jtan325> and the rule i used was "dh_installman doc/conky.1" [02:21] <siretart> uuh, /me is no expert in man pages at all.. [02:21] <siretart> sorry [02:22] <jtan325> .TH conky 1 2005\-08\-18 [02:22] <siretart> mdke: that's sad. you can only try to help the maintainer in providing a patch, which upgrades to the newest version. [02:22] <jtan325> and i am pretty sure that's right [02:22] <jtan325> so this puzzled me [02:22] <jtan325> so my next move to to just take out the dh_installman rule entirely [02:22] <mdke> siretart, i don't know packaging... I will email the maintainer to see if he can do it, otherwise is there no possibility of getting an update in Ubuntu? [02:22] <jtan325> from debian/rules [02:23] <jtan325> and theoretically, this seems like it shouldn't try to install a manpage at all? [02:23] <jtan325> and so [02:23] <jtan325> i go ahead and do debuild from scratch again [02:23] <jtan325> but i get the same error [02:23] <jtan325> (lintian error, that is) [02:26] <siretart> mdke: if you find someone packaging it for you, that would great. The thing is that our top priority is not getting NEW packages in or updating to newest version. thats too late for breezy [02:26] <siretart> mdke: we are rather trying to stabilize universe atm, and really should concentrate on that [02:27] <mdke> yeah i understand [02:27] <mdke> it is a shame though [02:27] <mdke> gtg [02:29] <Yagisan> jtan325: are you trying to install html documentation as a manpage ? [02:29] <jtan325> Yagisan, I don't think so, and I hope not [02:29] <jtan325> i mean [02:29] <jtan325> the only place i can think of where i do any actual installation of man-pages [02:29] <jtan325> is "dh_installman" [02:30] <jtan325> what i don't understand, is when i take that line out from debian/rules [02:30] <jtan325> it still comes up with the same error in lintian [02:30] <jtan325> and i don't have any .ex files in debian/ [02:31] <Yagisan> This shows that somewhere something is installing a html file as a manpage -> E: conky: manpage-in-wrong-directory usr/share/man/manh/docs.html.gz [02:31] <Yagisan> Is your package on revu ? [02:31] <jtan325> i wish [02:32] <jtan325> this is a program that i eventually want to submit to breezy, but i only started reading and learning how to package stuff yesterday [02:32] <Yagisan> I see [02:33] <Yagisan> I can give it a look over if you like, but I'm somewhat busy the next few days [02:33] <Yagisan> If you want you can email it to me [02:33] <jtan325> that would be awesome. i am going to try a few more things first. how do you want it emailed? and your email is...? [02:36] <Yagisan> jtan325: email is jamie_jones_au@yahoo.com.au and just send the .orig.tar.gz, the .dsc and the .diff.gz [02:38] <jtan325> ok. thanks a bunch. i really appreciate it. [02:39] <Yagisan> no problems [02:50] <sistpoty> hi folks [02:51] <jtan325> Yagisan, could you possibly answer this one quick question [02:52] <jtan325> assuming a non-complex program, and someone like me and the little that i am capable of with packagin [02:52] <jtan325> theoretically, the only place where any man-page installation stuff occurs is in debian/rules, by "dh_installman", yes? [02:53] <jtan325> under the binary-arch rule [02:55] <Yagisan> should be [02:55] <Yagisan> how did you make your man file ? [02:56] <jtan325> using docbook2x-man [02:56] <jtan325> it's basically one giant <refentry> [02:56] <Yagisan> by the way, I'm no packaging guru [02:57] <Yagisan> but I can help find problems :) [02:57] <jtan325> haha but i am sure you have more than 2 days' experience, like myself [02:57] <jtan325> that is great [02:57] <jamessan|work> personally, I'd suggest learning how to make man pages by hand. I don't think the *2man programs do a very good job [02:57] <Yagisan> yeah, but you should have seen me when I submitted my packages here what 1 week ago [02:58] <jtan325> jamessan, we would, but maintaining a troff file and updating it by hand.... [02:58] <Yagisan> I had my smug look wiped off my face [02:58] <jtan325> we wanted a simple format that could be easily converted to html and manpage, yet easy to read and maintain [02:58] <jamessan|work> jtan325: I do that for a number of man files. Once you get it written, maintaining it isn't that hard [02:58] <jamessan|work> ah [02:58] <jtan325> our dev team is very small [02:59] <jtan325> we'd love to "do things right" per se [02:59] <Yagisan> itI use xml too, because I had to rewrite upstreams outdated documentation [02:59] <jamessan|work> well, I used docbook2man for a little while, but then I had jbailey start sponsoring my packages for Debian and he told me that there were problems with the man pages. [02:59] <Yagisan> then a bug should be filed [02:59] <Yagisan> :) [02:59] <jtan325> i see [03:00] <jtan325> yes, that's what i thought too that might be causing these lintian errors [03:00] <jtan325> and so, to test that [03:00] <jtan325> i commented out the "dh_installman" line in debian/rules [03:00] <Yagisan> jtan325: if you want to check another package, mine is called deng, you can see it at revu [03:01] <jtan325> but the errors are still there, which is puzzling because that's the only place i thought manpages would be isntalled (at least without explicitly changing stuff) [03:01] <jtan325> ok [03:01] <jtan325> i am writing this long email first [03:01] <jtan325> :-) [03:10] <_derek> \sh: so after all this work i did setting up a jabber server, google beat me to it :) [03:11] <\sh> _derek: hehe...I told you use mine ,-) [03:11] <_derek> \sh: haha, no one i know use jabber, so i am hoping google's services gets people on their [03:11] <_derek> \sh: i can't have myfirstname@mylastname.com as my jabber id then! [03:11] <_derek> and i am power hungry, i like to admin my own servers [03:12] <\sh> _derek: of course...set up svr dns records towards my server :) [03:12] <\sh> i set up a new virtual host ...thats it [03:13] <_derek> \sh: haha, maybe once google opens up their svr dns record [03:13] <_derek> s [03:13] <_derek> now its kind of pointless [03:13] <_derek> cuz everyone i know uses aim [03:13] <_derek> i got my roommate to start using gTalk last night [03:13] <_derek> thats my first convert [03:14] <slomo> _derek: but as long as gtalk doesn't allow connections to other servers it's pretty useless imho... [03:15] <_derek> slomo: right, but i think they will soon, and my friends all use aim, which makes jabber pointless in my opinion. I can easily convert my friends to gTalk. I plain jabber server is more difficult [03:16] <slomo> _derek: i'm a bit sceptical... but let's wait a few weeks and look what has changed ;) [03:18] <_derek> slomo: i bet they will open up [03:18] <_derek> \sh: do you use vds's for your jabber servers? [03:23] <\sh> vds? [03:26] <_derek> virtual dedicated server [03:26] <_derek> or do you run your own servers? [03:30] <sistpoty> does anyone have a clue about python-wxwindows (2.4 vs. 2.6)? [03:34] <sistpoty> i have a package (cycle) which needs python-wxgtk2.4 (wxgtk2.6 won't work)... if i install python-wxgtk2.4 and then python-wxgtk2.6 side by side, it seems as if python-wxgtk2.4 is take by default. however if i install python-wxgtk2.6 first, this seems the default [03:34] <sistpoty> so should this package conflict to python-wxgtk2.6? [03:34] <slomo> hmm... when i fix a package... and the fixes i need are only in a pre version... shall i create a diff against the pre version and apply it with dpatch or create a new tarball and package version? [03:34] <\sh> sistpoty: u have to use wxversion [03:34] <\sh> less /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/wxversion.py [03:35] <\sh> there is a description of how to select wxPython version [03:35] <sistpoty> sh: thanks, i will do that ;) [03:35] <Yagisan> slomo: any reason you can't package the non -pre version ? [03:36] <slomo> Yagisan: it doesn't compile with slang2 and slang1 is deprecated ;) and what's the pre version has _working_ utf8 support [03:36] <\sh> sistpoty: it is something like this: [03:36] <\sh> import wxversion [03:36] <\sh> wxversion.select('2.4') [03:36] <\sh> import wxPython [03:36] <\sh> something like this [03:36] <slomo> Yagisan: the diff between the 2 versions is 1,2 mb uncompressed... [03:36] <sistpoty> sh: thanks, it already is in the package, but the dd commented it out *g* [03:37] <_derek> \sh: do you run a virtual dedicate server, or do you have an actual server? [03:37] <\sh> _derek: amd athlon 2200 1gb ram 120gb hd as pizzabox in a real rack :) [03:37] <_derek> oh wow, thats a nice system [03:37] <_derek> i need a cheap server! [03:37] <slomo> i want one too :P [03:38] <_derek> any suggestions? [03:38] <Yagisan> pfff, my desktop has more grunt then that :-P [03:38] <_derek> Yagisan: yeah, so does mine, but its not in a nice datacenter with an awesome connection [03:39] <Yagisan> I know, but I couldn't resist [03:39] <Yagisan> I wish I had a decent connection :( [03:39] <\sh> Yagisan: servers do not need to be fast as hell, but realiable [03:40] <\sh> and my 100MBit/s Connection is fast enough...4TB of freetraffic for the whole rack [03:40] <Yagisan> \sh, your speaking to someone who's desktop has redundant powersupplys, and runs RAID 5 [03:40] <_derek> 100MBit/s... the things i would do with that... [03:40] <Yagisan> and used to sell "real" servers [03:41] <Yagisan> I just couldn't resist the urge, because servers cost more, and perform less [03:41] <Yagisan> but they are nice and reliable [03:42] <Yagisan> slomo, anyway to get utf8 working in that new package [03:59] <\sh> siretart: ping [04:21] <sistpoty> CPU0 (coffee producing unit): out of coffee error. [04:21] <sistpoty> ^^ need to fix this... cya later [04:22] <bddebian> Hello [04:22] <ogra_> bddebian, hey [04:22] <ogra_> we missed you yesterday [04:22] <slomo> hi bddebian :) [04:23] <bddebian> Hello ogra_ [04:23] <bddebian> Heya slomo [04:23] <bddebian> ogra_: Aye, sorry, I was out of town [04:23] <ogra_> yup, i saw the mail [04:36] <janimo> libcairo transition question: [04:37] <janimo> if the deps are in the form of ${shlib-deps} so no cairo and pixman [04:37] <janimo> is explicitely mentioned a rebuild should be enough right? [04:39] <slomo> janimo: most probably... just try a rebuild and look at the deps of the resulting binary packages [04:39] <janimo> slomo, yet but I mean should I just request a bulk rebuild from lamont since there are many packages [04:40] <janimo> aren't the packages which suddenly have their deps removed form the archive get rebuilt automatically? [04:40] <janimo> just an idea I don't know about such thing [04:41] <slomo> janimo: automatically... no... but afaik seb128 has started a rebuild for every package depending on libcairo1... so probably your package FTBFS or something [04:41] <slomo> janimo: what package are you looking at currently? [04:41] <janimo> the xfce packages [04:42] <janimo> I saw seb128 going thought them [04:42] <janimo> but I dunno if they FTBFS who has to kick them again [04:44] <slomo> janimo: look at this for example: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/x/xfce4-panel/4.2.2-1ubuntu2/ [04:45] <janimo> slomo, I have just looked 10 minutes ago [04:45] <janimo> powerpc built the rest didn;t [04:45] <slomo> janimo: does it build now in pbuilder? [04:45] <janimo> slomo, didn't try [04:45] <janimo> I don't know why it doesn't show up on the web [04:46] <janimo> I thought all archs are built around the same time... [04:46] <slomo> janimo: try it... maybe that were just temporary problems which are fixed now [04:46] <janimo> or what was that triggered the ppc build today? [04:46] <janimo> total mistery [04:46] <janimo> to me at least [04:46] <janimo> I want to wait to see if the build system works on it's own [04:47] <janimo> I don;t want to do uploads if seb128 or lamont or whoever is alreday on the problem [04:47] <janimo> it's pretty frustrating that the build thing is not as transparent as it might be [04:48] <janimo> I'll see if lamont is in devel and ask him [04:51] <jtan325> Yagisan, you there [04:55] <Yagisan> jtan325: yes [04:55] <jtan325> finally fixed it [04:55] <jtan325> and you know what the problem was [04:56] <jtan325> we tried to be smart and generate our man pages in our make file [04:56] <jtan325> (source make file) [04:56] <jtan325> when i took that automated stuff out [04:56] <jtan325> it built and passed lintian [04:56] <Yagisan> good to hear [04:56] <jtan325> anyway, thanks for you offer to help. i am sure i will have more questions later [04:56] <Yagisan> so, what is your app ? [04:57] <jtan325> conky.sf.net [04:57] <jtan325> the website sucks [04:57] <jtan325> but yeah, it's gaining momentum [04:57] <jtan325> so Yagisan, i am going to refine and triple-check i've gotten everything right with this package [04:58] <jtan325> and then, to submit it to breezy for review [04:58] <jtan325> i put it on revu? [04:58] <taku> Hi people [04:59] <Yagisan> jtan325: no problems, to put it on revu you'll need to get siretart add you to the uploaders keyring [05:00] <taku> Is there someone here ? just want to propose some stuff to the MOTU team [05:00] <jtan325> ok. and that means i'll have to learn how to use GPG haha [05:00] <jtan325> Yagisan, and then after that...? [05:01] <jtan325> i wait for a "sponsor" or something? [05:01] <janimo> taku, what stuff? [05:01] <jtan325> i keep hearing different things in this channel, that there is a "feature freeze" and no new packages will be added to the repos [05:01] <taku> janimo: a simple stuff : a gaim-guifications theme which fits very well with the curren human ubuntu theme [05:02] <janimo> taku, is it a new package made by you [05:02] <janimo> ? [05:02] <taku> erf janimo not at all [05:02] <janimo> a change to an existiong one? [05:02] <ogra_> jtan325, yes, universe is hilariously broken... and we are supposed to respect the freezes of the release schedule [05:02] <Yagisan> jtan325: well, some motus will check your package out, and if it is well packaged, you will need 3 advocates to get it into the repo [05:02] <janimo> or a proposal for someone to package it? [05:02] <taku> the third one =) [05:03] <janimo> well then file a bugreport in malone [05:03] <ogra_> jtan325, we shouldnt accept new packages anymore since some weeks... only with exceptions after discussion [05:03] <taku> malone ? [05:03] <janimo> or on the wiki Proposed packages for universe [05:03] <janimo> taku, never mind malone [05:03] <jtan325> oh man, if it's hilariously broken, just let my package in and we'll all laugh a little more :-) [05:03] <taku> okey excuse [05:03] <janimo> that;s the bugtracker [05:03] <taku> Ok, I'll do all of this [05:03] <Yagisan> jtan325: It may or may not end up in breezy, it should at least end up in breezy +1 [05:04] <taku> I'll propose in the wiki [05:04] <jtan325> what's the +1? [05:04] <jtan325> two weeks after release? [05:04] <janimo> there's a wiki page which has a list of proposed packages [05:04] <ogra_> jtan325, we wont have a working universe for release and wont be able to fix it after release date [05:04] <janimo> append that list [05:04] <taku> thanks a lot for your help janimo [05:04] <Yagisan> whatever they call the release after breezy [05:04] <janimo> I don;t know the exact url [05:04] <taku> I'll do that [05:04] <janimo> taku, np :) [05:04] <jtan325> but i respect your guys' schedule, and QA of breezy is much more important to me than this little package making it in [05:04] <taku> don't mind, i'll find by myself =) [05:04] <janimo> taku, that's the way [05:04] <Yagisan> jtan325: put it up for review anyway [05:04] <ogra_> jtan325, as long as not everybody who wants to help really helps with the existing stuff [05:04] <taku> thanks a lot, and good luck for breezy [05:05] <taku> and overall, thanks for all you make for the community =) it's very VERY appreciated [05:05] <taku> see you soon guys [05:05] <jtan325> Yagisan, I will when our team does a release, sometime in the next two weeks. [05:05] <Yagisan> jtan325: just don't expect that it is definitely going it to breezy [05:05] <jtan325> of course [05:05] <jtan325> of course [05:06] <jtan325> i pulled an all-nighter tonight :-) so i'm gonna give it my best shot hehe [05:06] <jtan325> ogra_, did you mean "as long as everybody who wants to help..."? [05:07] <Yagisan> jtan325: I seem to have a red bull iv myself :) [05:07] <jtan325> oh man it's kinda gross [05:07] <jtan325> ask siretart [05:07] <jtan325> like the night before last [05:07] <ogra_> jtan325, i think my grammar was right to express what i meant... but i'm not natively english, i may be wrong [05:07] <jtan325> i was asking "where can i find resources on packaging" [05:07] <jtan325> and like 25 hours later [05:08] <jtan325> finally got lintian to pass [05:08] <\sh> wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources [05:08] <jtan325> lol [05:08] <jtan325> \sh yeah [05:08] <jtan325> thanks, definitely got that bookmarked :-) [05:08] <\sh> jtan325: beleave me or not, I just learned from this page and debian maintainer guide...and after this...i just did some work...ask ogra or dholbach... [05:08] <jtan325> same here [05:08] <Yagisan> jtan325: have you got the debian new maintianers guide bookmarked ? [05:08] <jtan325> sam here [05:09] <jtan325> "new"? [05:09] <jtan325> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html [05:09] <\sh> jtan325: /me ? new ? not anymore ;) [05:09] <jtan325> that's the one i've been using [05:09] <Yagisan> jtan325: btw what's gross ? [05:09] <jtan325> what's gross is how much time i spent getting this packaging to work [05:09] <jtan325> but the feeling of accomplishment [05:10] <jtan325> ok time for me to fall back to earth, i better get to work soon. [05:10] <jtan325> i thank you all for your help and advice [05:10] <Yagisan> no problems [05:10] <jtan325> and i promise conky will be a great addition to breezy, if it passes the reviews [05:16] <siretart> re [05:18] <Arianna> Hi [05:18] <siretart> hi Arianna [05:18] <siretart> who wanted a key in the revu keyring? [05:19] <ogra_> siretart, may i introduce Arianna ... [05:19] <Arianna> siretart, I got a tip from ogra to come here and exposed my project. I did an open source MORPG with educational goals. [05:19] <Arianna> Oh, thanks ogra :-) [05:19] <ogra_> :) [05:19] <Arianna> maybe it can be interesting considering the educational intentions behind edubuntu? [05:20] <siretart> Arianna: woah. sounds great! [05:20] <siretart> Arianna: what is it called? is there a website? [05:20] <ogra_> siretart, there are some sweet screenshots [05:21] <ogra_> www.reflex.lth.se/culture/annelov [05:21] <Arianna> The project is called Virtual Annelv [05:21] <Arianna> I did it as thesis for my degree [05:21] <siretart> based on planeshift? [05:21] <jtan325> siretart, that was me [05:21] <Arianna> Yes. [05:21] <jtan325> wanting a key [05:21] <siretart> cool [05:21] <Arianna> The code is Planeshift code, with some modifications. [05:21] <siretart> jtan325: I need your keyid for that ;) [05:22] <Arianna> The setting is Bronze Age. [05:22] <jtan325> finally got a package to build, so now i'm gonna do this "pbuilder" thing and test the package installation [05:22] <siretart> Arianna: sounds awesome. let me browse your website [05:22] <jtan325> siretart, actually, i'll need a key once i figure out this gpg stuff haha [05:22] <Arianna> The graphics are not great, because I am not a modeller. As I was saying to ogra, I have learnt to model and texturized while doing the project [05:22] <jtan325> i've used rsa/dsa, but not gpg [05:23] <jtan325> so maybe later today or tomorrow [05:23] <Arianna> siretart, sure. The code is rather stable, of course there are bugs, because I had deadlines to respect for graduating and because of the engine itself. [05:23] <jtan325> Arianna, how do you do that as a thesis for your degree??? [05:23] <Arianna> siretart, I haven't tried to compile it under Linux, but since PS compiles fine, fix the things I have added for making it work under another OS shouldn't be a problem. [05:23] <jtan325> that's a freakin awesome school [05:24] <Arianna> jtan325, well, if you want to hurt yourself really badly you do ;D I went to some teacher and I exposed the ideas of trying to use VR for realized a game with specific ideas behind it. [05:24] <Arianna> and they like it, since I was the one doing it not them :D [05:24] <siretart> Arianna: I did take a look into planeshift I think 2 years ago for debian [05:25] <siretart> Arianna: that time, it was quite a mess, because debian had a too old snapshot of crystalspace to compile planeshift [05:25] <jtan325> cool stuff [05:25] <Arianna> siretart, there is another thing that needs to be fixed probably for working not under windows. I can view interviews/video files (wmv at the moment) and the code I wrote was for handling the process in windows. I guess with some help and knowledge it is possible to be done also in linux. [05:25] <siretart> Arianna: since planeshift wasn't that playable/usable that time, I lost interest [05:25] <Arianna> siretart, right now Planeshift is really platform independent. Even if the release for Linux or Mac take more time than the one for windows. There is a girl, Platyna, that works on the Linux installer. [05:26] <siretart> Arianna: and do I understand you correctly, you need a packager who brings that into ubuntu, right? ;) [05:26] <Arianna> siretart, but taking it from CVS it is usually rather compatible or at least compilable. if the word compilable exists. [05:26] <Arianna> siretart, well, if you think that might be a good idea :-D It is a client server application, though. [05:27] <siretart> Arianna: I am interested in it, and will definitly look into it. [05:27] <jsgotangco> it looks great really [05:27] <Arianna> siretart, you find my email there, but I spend a lot of time online on freenode, so for anything, you know where to contact me. I ll stay here longer if oyou have questions of course. [05:28] <siretart> Arianna: just tell me, what dependencies does re-flex have? crystalspace and planeshift? or is it a planeshift fork? [05:28] <Arianna> jsgotangco, thanks :-) I just wished to have more graphical skills [05:29] <Arianna> siretart, re-flex? re-flex is the VR center of the university where I worked. if you mean VA (Virtual Annelv) you need Crystalspace (and Crystal Entity Layer) libs, Mysql and Cal3D. In the client these things can be integrated really easily (obviously there is no interest with MySQL on the client side). [05:29] <siretart> ah [05:30] <siretart> did you check if crystalspace and cal3d are in suitable versions in ubuntu? [05:30] <Arianna> you just add in the installer the plugins file. [05:30] <Arianna> I can ask [05:30] <siretart> or do we need to update them? [05:31] <siretart> ubuntu has crystalspace_0.98-20040623-2.1 [05:31] <Arianna> mmmmm [05:31] <Arianna> ah [05:31] <Arianna> wait [05:32] <Arianna> well, the version I use for VA is a CVS version of the 22nd of April, and I really think it is 0.99 already [05:32] <siretart> hm. so we probably need to update crystalspace too.. hmmmm [05:33] <rtcm> hello, folks. I need to build a debug enabled package (no other modifications) is there a standard debian flag to do it? [05:33] <Arianna> yes, I am sure the version on CVS right now is already 0.99 [05:33] <siretart> Arianna: do you have somewhere a developer channel for VA? I don't want to flood this channel with stuff ;) [05:34] <Arianna> siretart, well, considering that I am sort of the only developer you can PM me ;D [05:34] <siretart> Arianna: excellent :) [05:34] <sistpoty> hiho [05:34] <siretart> Arianna: and you said before that you already got it compiled an run under linux? [05:35] <siretart> huhu sistpoty [05:35] <sistpoty> hi siretart [05:35] <Arianna> siretart, no. I have never tried that. But I don't think it is impossible to do that considering that PS runs under Linux. I haven't done hundred of modifications, so it shouldn't be harder to fix it. [05:36] <siretart> Arianna: ok. I don't know if I find time to try it today, but will definitly try to compile it in ubuntu breezy [05:37] <Arianna> siretart, you can take your time :-) I am not in hurry at all. The only thing that - I am sure - will NOT work is the "watching" of the video files, since the code is specifically written just for windows. [05:37] <Arianna> the rest should work, hopefully [05:38] <siretart> Arianna: I assume the code using wmv is C++, right? [05:38] <Arianna> yes. I can show you the piece of code if you want. [05:39] <siretart> Arianna: perhaps we find a solution to use the gstreamer framework to play videos.. but first lets try to get it compile at all ;) [05:39] <Arianna> siretart, right ;) [05:43] <Arianna> siretart, here it is the code, anyway http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Hn1NFb38.html [05:47] <Arianna> anyway, siretart and ogra, thanks a lot for the interest. That is - for me - a great reward already. [05:53] <\sh> laters guys [05:53] <\sh> going home [05:54] <sistpoty> cya \sh_away [05:56] <siretart> janimo: lets discuss the wmaker issue rather here [06:00] <janimo> siretart, not much to discuss :) [06:01] <xhaker> any gnomepanel applet developers here? [06:02] <siretart> janimo: I know that wmaker build dependencies are quite tricky, and I fear that the sync could destabilize depending packages [06:02] <janimo> siretart, I know nothing about wmaker dependencies I thought it should be starightforward [06:02] <janimo> anyway, I'll see if I can get my friend file a bug [06:02] <janimo> thanks [06:03] <siretart> janimo: yes. I would want to be convinced that it does not harm other packages [06:04] <janimo> any way to ask for rdepends which are _strict_ depends not BD, or recommends, suggests etc? [06:05] <siretart> apt-cache rdepends <package> [06:05] <StrikeForce> gnight all [06:05] <StrikeForce> what time is the MOTU meeting? [06:05] <StrikeForce> like compared to now [06:06] <StrikeForce> I know the time but I'm thinking my time thats all [06:06] <ogra_> 20:00 utc [06:06] <ogra_> use date -u [06:06] <StrikeForce> ahh k cool [06:06] <ogra_> that tells you the current time [06:06] <StrikeForce> thanks [06:06] <janimo> siretart, that lists all the ones I don't need see question ;) [06:07] <janimo> I only need strict depends [06:07] <siretart> err [06:07] <janimo> if a recommends b then apt-cache rdepends b shows a [06:08] <janimo> I would want that only if a depends on b [06:08] <janimo> i.e a subset of current output [06:10] <siretart> hm [06:10] <siretart> then use grep-available or grep-dctrl [06:10] <siretart> package grep-dctrl [06:19] <_derek> \sh_away: question for when you are back [06:35] <ivoks> gajim uber ales :) [06:37] <siretart> :) [06:41] <rtcm> I already asked but got no answer: I need to build a debug symbols enabled package (no other modifications) is there a standard debian flag to do it? namely I need to do it to gaim as it is segfaulting and I'd like to help with this [06:43] <pef> hello [06:43] <bddebian> Hello pef [06:43] <bddebian> rtcm: I think it's nostrip or something to that affect [06:44] <rtcm> bddebian: you mean I just add nostrip in the rules file? [06:44] <rtcm> bddebian: what section? [06:46] <bddebian> rtcm: Depends on the package but you can usually just set DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip [06:46] <JanC> slomo, https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1865 :) [06:47] <rtcm> bddebian: as an env var to dpkg-buildpackage? [06:47] <bddebian> rtcm: Yes [06:47] <slomo> JanC: i'll have a look... but that seems really weird ;) [06:48] <slomo> JanC: x86? [06:48] <JanC> yes [06:49] <slomo> JanC: hm... same here... thanks for reporting this :) [06:50] <JanC> no problem :) [07:26] <sean_> theres an motu meeting here tonight? can anyone come? [07:27] <slomo> sean_: sure [07:28] <sean_> cool thx :) [07:29] <dredg> looks like i'll be able to actually spend time as motu again real soon [07:30] <sean_> so just ive got it right, thats in 2 1/2 hours right? [07:30] <dredg> date --utc [07:30] <bddebian> I hope to be there even if only for a little bit [07:45] <herve> hello [07:45] <herve> I found a package to transition to libcairo1 in multiverse [07:46] <herve> should I handle it right now or there is a procedure? [07:46] <dredg> i think it's freeforall [07:46] <dredg> icbw mind [07:46] <dredg> i've not been keeping up with stuff due to work and other garbage [07:47] <dredg> which should all change over the next month :) [07:47] <ogra> herve, anything that fixes b0rkage is good ;) [07:48] <herve> ok, my hands are free then :-) [07:48] <dredg> i have a feeling that my new job will allow me to spend time working on ubuntu [07:49] <herve> ho no, it was done [07:49] <herve> probably a build failure then [07:51] <herve> ++ [07:53] <herve> slomo, ping [07:53] <slomo> herve: pong [07:54] <herve> gst-plugins-multiverse really is interesting but the Depends is empty :-) [07:55] <slomo> herve: i know... i'm currently looking why that is... that's really weird ;) the metapackage has hardcoded Depends in the control file... but the resulting package has none [07:55] <slomo> herve: but the actual plugins are working for you? [07:56] <herve> didn't check, I just saw it in the New category of synaptic [07:57] <herve> later [07:58] <slomo> hmm... when i put in Suggests they're in the binary package... [08:00] <\sh> argl [08:00] <\sh> why do i have to do redhat support? [08:00] <\sh> and when I say: use ubuntu .. they say: no I want enterprise server with X [08:00] <sistpoty> poor \sh [08:00] <\sh> argl [08:02] <\sh> anyways...let me fill out my new testreport for the breezy daily iso [08:02] <\sh> and btw...if a popup in gnome appears...is your desktop jumping as well from let say desktop 1 to 2 [08:02] <\sh> ? [08:03] <sean_> i think it jumps... but i use XFCE :( [08:04] <pef> \sh, doesn't jump for me [08:04] <\sh> pef: hmmm [08:04] <slomo> \sh: for me it doesn't too [08:04] <\sh> hmm [08:05] <\sh> when I have a popup appearing in rhythmbox, gajim, or someother and I'm on desktop 2, the popup appears on this desktop...jumps to another desktop, comes back, and all my windows are moved some pixels down [08:06] <ryanthiessen> \sh: I get similar behaviour to that [08:06] <pete> \sh: me to [08:06] <siretart> sistpoty: would you like to have a look at http://siretart.tauware.de/revu2-trac/ please? [08:06] <_derek> \sh: for windows what do you reccomend ofr a jabber client? for gtk you reccomend gajim? for qt you reccomend psi? [08:06] <siretart> \sh: trac seems to rock, hard [08:06] <\sh> _derek: exodus or also psi [08:07] <sistpoty> siretart: just looking :-) [08:07] <\sh> exodus follows more the xmpp standard [08:07] <siretart> sistpoty: which components does revu2 have? [08:07] <_derek> \sh: ok.... hula is going to support directory access for a jabber server.... that is exciting [08:07] <sistpoty> siretart: what do you mean by components? [08:08] <siretart> sistpoty: we can associate tickets with 'components' [08:08] <siretart> sistpoty: I'm not sure either ;) [08:08] <sistpoty> hm... give me a moment ;) [08:10] <sistpoty> siretart: i'd say upload-processing (the upload-queues), web-interface, elma?, mini-dinstall-thingy, installer (I've just started with it :) and Documentation? [08:10] <siretart> sistpoty: ok [08:10] <sistpoty> siretart: but that was just a quick thought [08:10] <sistpoty> maybe you have some better ideas ;) [08:14] <\sh> siretart: good idea with trac? [08:14] <sistpoty> sh: you rock! [08:14] <\sh> I just saw this thing..and was fascinated about the easyness :) [08:14] <\sh> and the gajim devs are quite rocking :) [08:15] <\sh> the debian package maintainer is also one of the devs...will be fun to work with them :) [08:15] <siretart> \sh: I think we will test it for revu2 [08:16] <\sh> siretart: wooohooo :) [08:17] <siretart> if anyone also wants to join revu2 development, just pass me your password ;) [08:17] <janimo> siretart what is it written in? [08:17] <siretart> janimo: python [08:18] <siretart> janimo: but in the beginning, we will need rather html templates and shell scripting work [08:18] <siretart> Yagisan: it is [08:18] <dredg> /msg siretart omfg_leet_password [08:18] <ogra> siretart, set up a bazaar archive ;) that works with simple gpg keys [08:19] <siretart> ogra: as soon as I understand baz [08:19] <sistpoty> hehe [08:19] <siretart> ogra: I tried using it, but I did not get quite many things and got frustrated :( [08:19] <ogra> siretart, after the meeting today ;) (see the agenda) [08:19] <siretart> ogra: Oh yes, I will prepare a huge pile of questions! :) [08:19] <ogra> we have the author of bazaar there [08:20] <ogra> great !! [08:20] <siretart> woooh :) [08:21] <sistpoty> omg ;) [08:25] <janimo> ogra, not quite the author ;) [08:26] <ogra> janimo, jblack is one of the upstream authors of bazaar... thats what he gets payed for [08:26] <janimo> yes but not _the_ author :) [08:26] <janimo> developer, substantial contributor etc.. :) [08:27] <janimo> bazaar still has I think fair chunks of tla code [08:27] <janimo> just nitpicking :) [08:31] <siretart> ogra: will he also be involved in hct development? [08:31] <ogra> siretart, i think so... ask him yourself ;) [08:31] <siretart> ok :) [08:48] <sistpoty> hey cool, the trac-site is being filled with life :) good work, siretart! [08:49] <siretart> sistpoty: I'm working on it :) [08:49] <sistpoty> i c :) [08:50] <\sh> siretart: url ,-) [08:51] <siretart> \sh: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu2-trac/ [08:51] <siretart> \sh: tell me if you want an account [08:52] <\sh> yeah.. [08:54] <\sh> siretart: u rock :) [08:54] <slomo> siretart: looks nice :) [08:54] <siretart> :) [09:00] <herve> hello [09:00] <slomo> hi herve [09:03] <\sh> damn... [09:04] <\sh> even seahorse-agent 0.7.9 doesn't work for me [09:05] <pef> \sh, what's the problem ? [09:05] <pef> siretart, new ticket ;) [09:05] <\sh> pef: i have seahorse-agent started...and it adjusted my gpg.conf and debuild -S is not working :) [09:07] <pef> \sh, have you killed gpg-agent ? [09:07] <\sh> there is no gpg-agent running [09:09] <pef> \sh, have you gpg-agent-info directive created by seahorse on ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf [09:09] <siretart> pef: thanks :) [09:11] <\sh> pef: yes [09:12] <pef> \sh, what's the error debuild gives ? [09:12] <sistpoty> siretart: i just tried the sandbox, and for some strange reasons python code is not highlighted, any clues? [09:12] <siretart> sistpoty: no clue [09:12] <sistpoty> damn :/ [09:13] <\sh> gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use [09:14] <\sh> pef: but only debuild so debsign :) [09:15] <pef> \sh, calling debsign after that works for me [09:17] <\sh> yes [09:17] <\sh> and i found the proble, [09:17] <\sh> m [09:17] <\sh> debuild -S --preserve-env [09:17] <\sh> and it's working :) [09:17] <lamont> ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-dynamic [09:17] <lamont> checking build system type... Invalid configuration `parisc64-unknown-linux-gnu': machine `parisc64-unknown' not recognized [09:17] <lamont> configure: error: /bin/sh ./config.sub parisc64-unknown-linux-gnu failed [09:18] <\sh> what is it? [09:18] <lamont> it needs a new config.guess & config.sub from any autotools-dev not more than 3 years old. [09:19] <pef> \sh, same solution with dpkg-buildpackage ? I have switched to seahorse because of this problem [09:20] <\sh> pef_aw: dunno I'm using dpkg-buildpackage only in dchroot [09:21] <lamont> debuild just invokes dpkg-buildpackage, so it should work the same [09:22] <\sh> lamont: well...together with seahorse only debuild -S --preserve-env is working together with the agent [09:22] <\sh> guys...I think I'm hyping the ubuntu jabber nation [09:23] <dredg> http://dredg.lessthanthree.be/gajim [09:23] <dredg> that is all. [09:23] <slomo> \sh: good idea ;) maybe we'll get a ubuntu jabber server at the end :P [09:23] <ogra> \sh, you *are* the ubuntu jabber nation [09:23] <lamont> jabber is much worse for community development [09:24] <lamont> unless you just set up a group-chat, in which case you've reinvented irc [09:24] <bddebian> MOTU meeting in 30 or so minutes? [09:24] <sistpoty> yep [09:24] <bddebian> Thx [09:25] <slomo> lamont: sure... but when you need to reach only one person jabber is more comfortable than a query [09:25] <\sh> lamont: jabber is more then chatting :) [09:25] <ogra> he has a lot of topics [09:25] <crimsun_> guys, I hate to do this, but I have a class to teach in 30 mins, so I'm going to have to miss the meeting. I'll read the logs. [09:26] <\sh> lamont: u read about google talk service? the developer pages what they wanna do? [09:27] <\sh> ogra: I need dholbachs cell number ... [09:28] <lamont> \sh: nope [09:28] <\sh> lamont: http://www.google.com/talk/developer.html#protocols [09:30] <\sh> they're working on a new xmpp addon for signalling SIP calls [09:30] <\sh> via jabber... [09:30] <siretart> hi AcidPils :) [09:30] <\sh> and they want to invent some xmpp only protocol for voice calls over xmpp protocol...and this should be an open protocol...if this is true, this would be fun [09:31] <AcidPils> hi [09:32] <janimo> guys how are you coping with evince being dog slow? [09:33] <siretart> janimo: that seems to depend on the pdf [09:33] <siretart> janimo: I already had a pdf which worked fine [09:33] <janimo> almost all of them render slowly for me [09:33] <siretart> :( [09:33] <janimo> siretart that's a success (already have 1 pdf which is fine) :) [09:34] <dredg> janimo: are they image heavy? [09:34] <janimo> not at all, no image [09:34] <janimo> unless I am missing something subtle [09:40] <siretart> sistpoty: the timeline rocks :) [09:40] <\sh> ok..now for libdv [09:40] <siretart> \sh: libdv is 'interesting' [09:40] <siretart> \sh: source is in main, and binaries in universe [09:41] <\sh> what? [09:41] <siretart> \sh: I uploaded it before, but slomo got a REJECTED message. perhaps you have more luck as uploader for main [09:41] <\sh> i just checked the source...strange [09:42] <\sh> mpeg2dec is uploaded already now [09:44] <\sh> u read on devel [09:44] <lathiat> wp0p0009-89098098098 [09:44] <\sh> your wep key? [09:46] <mbreit> hi all [09:47] <siretart> hi mbreit [09:47] <bddebian> Heya mbreit [09:48] <sistpoty> hi mbreit [09:48] <siretart> mbreit: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu2-trac/ :) [09:48] <mbreit> siretart: yay.... i just wanted to popose a trac installation for revu2 today ;)) [09:49] <siretart> lol [09:49] <siretart> : [09:49] <siretart> :) [09:49] <siretart> mbreit: you knew trac? why you didn't recommend it earlier!? *g* [09:49] <\sh> mbreit: damn...then I was faster again *grin* [09:49] <mbreit> siretart: i _love_ trac... i am using it for all my project! [09:49] <mbreit> +s [09:50] <siretart> cool :) [09:50] <sistpoty> mbreit++ [09:50] <siretart> mbreit: if you are used to it, I'm happy about all tweaking/config tipps and tricks ;) [09:50] <mbreit> siretart: if you have any problems, just ask... [09:51] <sistpoty> mbreit: python files have no colors (syntax highlighting), any clues? [09:51] <mbreit> sistpoty: trac uses external syntax highlightning engines... [09:52] <\sh> lamont: r u attending motumeeting? :) [09:52] <mbreit> sistpoty: is clearsilver >= 0.9.3 installed? [09:52] <sistpoty> hm... you better ask siretart for this ;) [09:53] <mbreit> if you use the trac debian packages, it should depend on that.. [09:53] <siretart> aah [09:53] <siretart> enscript is missing [09:54] <mbreit> siretart: well, that could be the reason ;) [09:54] <siretart> just installing [09:54] <lamont> \sh: hadn't planned to really attend... just pretty much always in that channel too [09:54] <mbreit> but clearsilver is iirc the standard highlight engine [09:54] <siretart> ok installed [09:54] <mbreit> works now [09:54] <\sh> lamont: because of a complete universe rebuild [09:54] <sistpoty> great :) [09:55] <sistpoty> thanks mbreit [09:55] <mbreit> ;) [09:55] <sistpoty> oh meeting in t-5, got to refresh my nicotine-cache ;) (brb) [09:55] <siretart> jupp. highlighting working now [09:55] <mbreit> i would also start hacking on revu2, but i don't know where to start... [09:55] <siretart> mbreit: I added some hints on the main page [09:56] <lamont> \sh: I imagine I'll actually read the channel when my nick gets mentioned [09:56] <\sh> lamont: ok :) thx anyways :) [09:56] <mbreit> hehe... i would love to add a jabber notification, but it's way too early for that *g* [09:57] <siretart> mbreit: It would be best/great, if you could have a look at http://siretart.tauware.de/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/file/trunk/TODO first [09:57] <siretart> mbreit: and ask about the parts you did not understand [09:57] <siretart> mbreit: then we should clarify most parts/states/foo in wiki pages [09:58] <mbreit> okay [09:59] <siretart> mbreit: that TODO was just a scratchpad for sistpoty and me. I don't think that anyone can understand what we discussed about that file. but you could help us in saying which parts we need to clarify ;) [10:01] <siretart> MEETING TIME! -> /join #ubuntu-meeting now! [10:40] <_derek> \sh: so you reccomend exodus as being #1 for windwos? [10:40] <\sh> _derek: yes...but meeting now [11:14] <_derek> \sh: does exodus support c2c encryption? [11:15] <Yagisan> _derek: Important meeting [11:18] <_derek> :) [11:27] <herve> night all

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2005-08-29-#ubuntu-kernel

[12:14] <zul> later [03:53] <Efwis> i need to find out the location for the C header files in ubuntu that match the kernel, can someone tell me where they are located? [03:56] <rtcm> Efwis: linux-headers-2.6.12-7 I guess [03:56] <Efwis> I'll look thanks, need the location to install vmware for linux [07:09] <fabbione> morning [01:14] <mdke> hi all [01:15] <mdke> is it intentional that kernel upgrades leave me with multiple entries in grub? I have 2.6.10, 2.6.12-6 and 2.6.12-7 on a machine with a breezy installed at colony 2 [01:16] <chmj> you can remove the others [01:16] <fabbione> mdke: yes. [01:16] <fabbione> that's a normal procedure [01:17] <fabbione> once you boot in the new one, you can safely remove the old one [01:17] <mdke> oh [01:17] <fabbione> it's complex to explain in few words, but that's the correct thing :) [01:17] <chmj> mdke: in case the new one doesnt work, see ? [01:17] <mdke> yeah [01:17] <mdke> will that happen for breezy release too? [01:17] <fabbione> chmj: no, that's not the reason [01:18] <fabbione> mdke: the 2.6.12-7 or 2.6.12-9 are not binded to release [01:18] <fabbione> they are related to some specific changes in the code [01:18] <mdke> so hoary->breezy updaters will get multiple grub entries? [01:18] <fabbione> mdke: hoary has 2.6.10-whatever... [01:18] <fabbione> upgrading you will get 2.6.10-whatver and the 2.6.12-something that will be there at release time [01:19] <mdke> ouch [01:19] <fabbione> 2.6.10 will be marked as obsoleted [01:19] <fabbione> but it can't and won't be removed automatically [01:19] <mdke> imo users don't really want that stuff [01:19] <mdke> especially those who don't know what the numbers mean [01:19] <fabbione> mdke: there is no way to remove it [01:19] <fabbione> because when you are upgrading hoary -> breezy, you are running 2.6.10 [01:20] <fabbione> and you REALLY REALLY so much do NOT want to remove the running kernel [01:20] <mdke> is there anyway to have the title of the entry a bit more user friendly? marking one as obsolete will help, perhaps the default one could be titled "ubuntu breezy badger" [01:20] <mdke> yeah i see the reason [01:20] <fabbione> mdke: pointless.. aptitude will tell you that [01:20] <mdke> users don't use aptitude [01:20] <fabbione> or synaptic [01:20] <fabbione> or whatever [01:21] <fabbione> the package is marked as obsolete after the upgrade [01:21] <mdke> hmm [01:21] <mdke> so you don't think that the grub titles will bother users who don't know what the numbers mean? [01:22] <fabbione> mdke: the latest kernel available is always the default in grub [01:22] <mdke> okay [01:22] <fabbione> so if a user doesn't touch anything.. it just boots with the most recent one [01:22] <mdke> sure [01:22] <fabbione> + you get to have a known to work kernel if the new one doesn't [01:22] <fabbione> and the latter can unlikely happen [01:22] <mdke> but when users see the others, they will get confused IMO [01:23] <fabbione> noone has been complaining till now about it.. [01:23] <fabbione> so i really see no problem in it [01:23] <mdke> ok [01:23] <fabbione> the user thinks as 2.6.12-7 is higher than 2.6.12-6 .. it must be better.. [01:24] <fabbione> that's the only thing they see [01:24] <chmj> normal users hardly ever look at the boot process anyway [01:24] <mdke> chmj, they do if they dual boot windows [01:25] <chmj> hmmm, I suppose [01:25] <mdke> anyway, fair enough, i just wanted to ask [01:34] <mdke> thanks fabbione, chmj [02:08] <zul> heylo [03:23] <mjg59> BenC: Hmm. The sk gigabit ethernet stuff is proving to be an issue. [03:23] <mjg59> BenC: We could ship the vendor driver but neuter it so it only binds to devices that aren't supported by the in-kernel one? [03:24] <BenC> that's a possibility [03:25] <BenC> has there been any reported issues with the vendor driver for all cards? [03:25] <BenC> I know it's ugly code (backported it a long time ago to 2.0.34), but it works everywhere I tried it [03:25] <BenC> not really ugly, but you can tell that it was ported from the win32 driver [03:29] <mjg59> I haven't /seen/ any reports, but we know that the kernel driver works for most people [03:29] <mjg59> It may be a bit late to start playing with that and risking instability [03:41] <zul> mjg59: is that the yukon ethernet? [03:43] <zul> *sigh* i just love it when a log file fills up a partition [03:46] <mjg59> zul: Yeah [03:47] <zul> ah...yeah i think that would be a good idea [03:48] <zul> then you might want to call it yukon or something and remove it when there is better support for it in the kernel [03:48] <mjg59> Hmm [03:48] <mjg59> Oh argh, I'd forgotten what a nightmare of crap this driver is [03:49] <mjg59> (In terms of its build tree) [03:49] <zul> because i saw somewhere that yukon support is coming [03:49] <mjg59> Yeah. With luck, we'll be able to drop it for Breezy+1 [03:49] <zul> BenC: i could look at it tonight if you want [03:50] <zul> we will need to find someone to test it though [03:50] <mjg59> zul: I'm hacking a patch to the sk98 driver now. I don't have time to do the kernel integration, though. [03:50] <mjg59> I'll feed you the diff and you can take a look at it [03:50] <zul> sure [03:54] <mjg59> zul: http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/tmp/sk98.diff [03:54] <mjg59> It removes all the IDs that the skge driver supports [03:55] <mjg59> So apply that to sk98 and merge sk98 into the tree and things should be happy [03:58] <BenC> sweet [03:59] <BenC> shoot me an email when it's ready. I wont be doing much more today other than looking at email and IRC every so often [04:10] <zul> okie dokie ill do it tonight [04:26] <zul> BenC: when are you going to do the next upload? [05:09] <fabbione> re [05:09] <fabbione> BenC: we need to get OCFS2 1.1.1 in asap [05:09] <fabbione> can you please coordinate with mdz for when to upload with an ABI bump? [05:09] <fabbione> because he is stalling us again with some CD issues [05:22] <fabbione> http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/tcc/tccboot.html [05:22] <fabbione> i wonder why gentoo didn't implement this 31337 bootloader yet [05:37] <zul> because they suck.. [05:53] <BenC> fabbione: ok [06:11] <mdz> fabbione: pardon? [06:50] <fabbione> BenC: perfect [06:50] <fabbione> mdz: yesterday you told me to wait because you needed a working CD.. [06:51] <fabbione> i managed to test the install and it's go for me [06:51] <fabbione> but not the live :/ [06:51] <BenC> I'm downloading i386 and ppc live cd's to make sure they work [06:51] <fabbione> i need to send a super rant mail to my ISP [06:51] <fabbione> BenC: great [06:52] <mdz> fabbione: the live is the one which was broken [06:52] <mdz> and the one I asked you to test [06:53] <BenC> * Node and architecture local files using Context Dependent Symbolic Links (CDSL) [06:53] <fabbione> it's still rsyncing from this morning and yes i do run rsync at night [06:53] <mdz> I need to know that we got one working build before another ABI change [06:53] <BenC> is that like DFS cpu/arch/os symlinking? [06:53] <mdz> and this needs to be the last ABI change unless there is a security issue [06:53] <mdz> at least until preview [06:53] <fabbione> BenC: not sure.. i think so.. but kernel guys didn't like it much [06:54] <BenC> that's a cool feature [06:54] <fabbione> mdz: it's not like we like ABI changes.. they are required ... [06:54] <BenC> will make for some nice v9/v9b stuff on sparc :) [06:54] <fabbione> mdz: and we can't always avoid them [06:54] <mdz> fabbione: in this case, it is only needed for OCFS2, right? [06:54] <fabbione> BenC: eheh [06:54] <fabbione> mdz: for the changes i did, yes. [06:54] <mdz> ok, so we need to freeze it after this one [06:54] <fabbione> mdz: but after you bump the abi, no other checks are done [06:55] <fabbione> mdz: this is final. [06:55] <fabbione> for ocfs2 i mean [06:55] <fabbione> mdz: so BenC or zul might have committed other code that changes the ABI [07:12] <BenC> mjg59: ping? [07:12] <mxpxpod> who is in charge of the linux-wlan-ng patches to the kernel? [07:13] <mjg59> BenC: Hi [07:13] <BenC> mjg59: any idea id vga16fb has been tested in 8bpp mode? [07:13] <BenC> s/id/if [07:13] <mjg59> Uhm. The "16" in the name is a giveaway :) [07:13] <BenC> with usplash it is coming up in 4bit [07:13] <mjg59> It's 16 colour legacy VGA only [07:14] <BenC> the driver supports 8bpp [07:14] <mjg59> Seriously? [07:14] <BenC> if (info->var.bits_per_pixel == 4) { [07:14] <BenC> } else if (info->var.bits_per_pixel == 0) { [07:14] <BenC> } else { /* 8bpp */ [07:14] <mjg59> Uhm. [07:14] <BenC> checkes for it all over the place [07:15] <mjg59> Oh [07:15] <mjg59> In 320x200 it might support 256 colours [07:16] <BenC> doesn't look like it forces any certain resolution [07:16] <fabbione> AH GREAAAATTTTT!!! [07:16] <BenC> vga16fb_check_var() looks like it will accept it [07:16] <fabbione> rsync.. connection timeout... [07:16] <fabbione> blabla [07:16] <mjg59> VGA hardware doesn't support more than 16 colours in 640x480, TTBOMK [07:17] <mjg59> BenC: But if you want to test it, please feel free :) [07:18] <BenC> I'm not too fluent on vga specs, but the driver is reading like VGA 8bpp is possible [07:18] <BenC> if the windows installer can do it, we can do it, right? :) [07:19] <mjg59> Windows installer does 16 colours in that resolution [07:19] <mjg59> I think, anyway [07:19] <mjg59> Kconfig says: [07:19] <mjg59> "This is the frame buffer device driver for VGA 16 color graphic cards" [07:19] <mjg59> But, well. [07:20] <BenC> I'll see if it allows fbset to change the bpp [07:21] <BenC> if it does, and it works, I'll get you a patch for usplash to call the correct ioctl's, and we'll see if it fixes things for folks having problems [07:21] <mjg59> Ok [07:21] <BenC> if it does, then debian-installer can use the ioctl's aswell [07:39] <mxpxpod> if I want to file a bug against the kernel, what package do I put in my bug report? [07:56] <jbailey> Does qemu actually fire up grub and all that, or does it just chain to the new running kernel? [07:57] <zul> if i remember it does the grub [07:57] <jbailey> Cool, thanks.
 we ll drop the cdsl stuff out of ocfs2 [08:08] <fabbione> BenC: don't rely on that CDSL feature for too long :( [08:10] <zul> mxpxpod: linux [08:10] <mxpxpod> zul: thanks [08:19] <jbailey> zul: Aren't you just Mr. Information today? =) [08:40] <BenC> l [08:49] <zul> jbailey: heh..i try :) [09:24] <mxpxpod> zul: know who takes care of the wlan-ng patch? [09:36] <zul> uh...i made the patch in the first place so i guess i do [09:52] <mxpxpod> zul: I just filed bug #14103 relating the the wlan-ng patch [09:56] <zul> ok [09:57] <mxpxpod> zul: I hope it's not too late to get an update of that patch into breezy [09:58] <{Seb}> hi people [09:58] <{Seb}> i've got a kernel module problem with ndiswrapper [09:58] <{Seb}> anyone around? [09:58] <{Seb}> i've installed ndiswrapper-utils [09:59] <{Seb}> and added 'ndiswrapper' to my /etc/modules [09:59] <{Seb}> but when i boot up, i don't think the module is loading [10:00] <{Seb}> because it will only continue IF i remove the adaptor? [10:00] <{Seb}> any ideas? [10:02] <jbailey> mjg59: I got this at support@canonical.com: "I found your support page that talks about a special version of Ubuntu [10:02] <jbailey> for the HP NC-6220 laptops." Any idea what he's talking about? =) [10:06] <Mithrandir> jbailey: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/custom/hplaptops [10:07] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Ah, thanks. =) Didn't know about this. [10:08] <Mithrandir> google://site:*.ubuntulinux.org NC-6220 [10:08] <{Seb}> can anyone help me with this one? [10:08] <jbailey> *blink* Right. [10:08] <jbailey> I hate being sick. I can't think straight. [10:08] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Thanks. [10:09] <Mithrandir> (ok, I had to check canonical.com and ubuntu.com first, but still) [10:16] <{Seb}> who do i need to speak to about this? [10:21] <jbailey> {Seb}: BenC probably. zul might be able to help you. It's mostly a matter of waiting for someone who's around (I don't know what BenC's hours are). If noone has answered by the time you want to go, I'd suggest filing something in bugzilla. [10:21] <{Seb}> ok [10:38] <zul> im heading home...c ya later

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2005-08-29-#ubuntu-artwork

[08:34] <piras1> ping

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2024-05-13T23:20:38.869902

2005-08-29-#ubuntu-doc

[04:42] <jsgotangco> hey all [06:00] <highvoltage> hey jsgotangco [06:00] <highvoltage> oh, you typed that more than an hour ago :) i just woke up [06:00] <jsgotangco> highvoltage, wow you're early [06:00] <jsgotangco> highvoltage, have you made progress in your troubleshooting guide? [06:01] <highvoltage> yes, a bit. it's about 35% done between version 1 and 2 [06:02] <highvoltage> i have lots of other distractions at the moment, the tuxlab help desk is also proof-reading as i edit, that helps. [06:02] <jsgotangco> ok thanks no worries about it [06:03] <jsgotangco> i'll beposting an update later on the cookbook [06:03] <highvoltage> ok. [06:28] <jeffsch> jsgotangco! howz it goin eh? [06:40] <jsgotangco> hey jeffsch! [11:02] <k31th> yo [11:03] <jsgotangco> hi [11:07] <mdke> hello [11:31] <rwabel> mdke: did you alraedy upgrade to breezy? [11:32] <jsgotangco> rwabel, i did whats up [11:33] <rwabel> just wondering if it's still save to dist-upgrade when apt tells u 168 packages are going to be removed [11:34] <rwabel> 746 upgraded, 241 newly installed, 168 to remove and 31 not upgraded. [11:34] <jsgotangco> sure because those packages are not going to be used anymore [11:34] <jsgotangco> or have been replaced [11:35] <rwabel> it also seems to be quit like that, because some are dev packages some will be changed. but I'm afraid if one of them are important for the system [11:36] <jsgotangco> don't upgrade to breezy if you're going to use it for veryday work [11:36] <rwabel> strange is also why lyx, mysqlcc, noatun-plugins, xfmedia will be removed [11:37] <rwabel> I know, I can live with that and with working out problems...I just want to have the transition to breezy going well :-) from warty to hoary it was much easier [11:38] <jsgotangco> we're only in Colony 3 its extremely buggy [11:38] <jsgotangco> yesterday the installer was borked at stage 2 [11:39] <rwabel> it's already much better than before the gcc and xorg transition :-) [11:39] <rwabel> in any case I've the list of the packages getting removed. I can always try to install important one's later [11:40] <rwabel> when they get fixed [06:23] <jsgotangco> anyone awake at this time? [06:24] <highvoltage> yes. [06:24] <highvoltage> many people, all over the world are. [06:24] <highvoltage> :) [06:24] <jsgotangco> heh [06:25] <mpt> Planet Earth. We Never Sleep. [06:26] <highvoltage> earth, the planet that never sleeps :) [06:26] <highvoltage> nah, I think "mostly harmless" describes it better. [06:28] <jsgotangco> lol [06:28] <jsgotangco> mpt: i can't still archive-mirror [06:29] <jsgotangco> i should file a bug [06:30] <mpt> jsgotangco: Yes, https://launchpad.net/products/bazaar/+bugs [06:30] <mpt> jsgotangco: Sorry you had such a bad experience [06:37] <jsgotangco> nahhh its ok at least i learned stuff [06:37] <jsgotangco> i really want UbuntuHelp but no one seems to be interested [06:41] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: http://www.ubuntu-pk.org/ubuntu_training.pdf [06:43] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: will check now... (just finishing a large download) [07:05] <jsgotangco> good night [07:07] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: good night!

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.875522

2005-08-29-#ubuntu

[12:00] <ray_> how do you identify? [12:00] <sean_> nickserv wont change ur enick unless the registered user wants [12:00] <mary-kate> /ns identify yourpass [12:00] <sean_> i know, beaucse im not the registered user of this nick :p [12:00] <nalioth> ray_: /msg nickserv identify <password> [12:00] <mary-kate> then why use it if it isn't yours? [12:00] <ero-senni> hey anyone want to be a guiney pig? [12:01] <ray_> depends what it is [12:01] <sean_> beacuse im sean? and what do i really care? [12:01] <mary-kate> so you don't care if someone ghosts you? [12:01] <ero-senni> im writing a tutorial on installing gsnes9x [12:01] <mary-kate> lol [12:01] <sean_> not in the slightest [12:01] <ero-senni> i just need someone to follow it, and just make sure i didn't forget anything [12:01] <andres> hi [12:01] <ray_> gsnes9x........whats that a gui for snes9x? [12:01] <ero-senni> yes [12:01] <Fingolfinn> i need help with ubuntu PPC, firewire dual booting [12:01] <ray_> send me the link i will try [12:02] <ero-senni> http://home.comcast.net/~microsoftsux0rs/tut.txt [12:02] <andres> question, i ran apt-get install mozilla-firefox and got the following:mozilla-firefox: Depends_firefox but it is not installable [12:02] <ero-senni> i think i installed some libarys to get it working, as soon as you tell me the error ill write it in the tutorial [12:02] <ray_> ero-senni: isnt snes9express the gui version.....whats the diff [12:03] <ero-senni> snes9xepress looks prettier [12:03] <ero-senni> but i couldn't get it work [12:03] <andres> anyone can help me? [12:03] <tristanmike> andres, are you sure you don't have it installed already? [12:03] <ero-senni> andres use synaptic to update firefox [12:03] <andres> no [12:03] <andres> how do i use synaptic [12:03] <ray_> ero-senni: all you have to do is apt-get it [12:03] <ero-senni> andres, do apt-get install firefox [12:03] <andres> yes, i've done that [12:04] <andres> ant i get that error [12:04] <ero-senni> do you have root permissions? [12:04] <tristanmike> andres, check synaptic [12:04] <ero-senni> sudo apt-get install firefox [12:04] <andres> i've done a dist-upgrade to hoary [12:04] <ero-senni> holy crap [12:04] <tristanmike> lol [12:04] <tristanmike> it's not funny, but that reaction was funny [12:04] <andres> no, synaptic is a gui for apt [12:05] <ray_> ero-senni: did you get it.........im not gonna do that install you sent me because i just got snes9express [12:05] <EasterSunshine> andres: take the cd sources out of your sources.list and try again [12:05] <andres> yep, i've done that already [12:05] <andres> and ran an apt-get update [12:05] <ero-senni> ray_, im running amd64 ubuntu hoary [12:05] <Fingolfinn> helpless helpless helpless helpless [12:05] <ero-senni> its not instable [12:05] <andres> and still having the same problem [12:05] <sean_> snes9xpress? i like the sound of that, hows it run? [12:06] <ero-senni> installable* [12:06] <Fingolfinn> i wanna be in an Apple band [12:06] <ray_> sean_: it is awsome nice gui.....you can make it look just like a snes [12:06] <icewt> when i last time fired up ubuntu, a check of some partition was forced (/foo/bar has not been checked for X days, check forced, or something). i wonder where those texts go? are they logged somewhere? don't say /var/log - not there [12:06] <sean_> damn sounds great ray_ thanks for the tip [12:07] <tristanmike> ray, better than zsnes? [12:07] <ray_> way better than zsnes [12:07] <ray_> zsnes is horrible..........snes9express gives you all sorts of video options [12:07] <sean_> yeah i agree with ya there, i hated plain old znes [12:07] <ero-senni> im gonna see if i can install snesxpress through source [12:07] <ero-senni> brb [12:08] <BTJustice> How do you allow root to log into KDE? [12:08] <tristanmike> horrible for linux? cause I've never had a problem with the win32 version [12:08] <sean_> win32 version is pimp :p [12:08] <martin> Question: When i choose logout in the KDE startmenu and after that one of the three options (log out, restart,shutdown) nothing happens. Only when i do this a second time the action is performed. Any idea what's wrong? [12:08] <sean_> linux version not so pimp [12:08] <tristanmike> ahhh, i c [12:08] <dan2_> I'm having some difficulty using nvidia drivers on ubuntu [12:08] <tristanmike> fair enough [12:08] <dan2_> I keep getting this [12:08] <dan2_> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. [12:08] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, don't run kde as a root user [12:09] <Nuckin_Futs> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY pa3291u [12:09] <BTJustice> I am not going to get on the Internet with it [12:09] <Nuckin_Futs> WHAt [12:09] <Nuckin_Futs> ignore that [12:09] <andres> look, this is the exact error: The following packages have unmet dependencies: [12:09] <andres> mozilla-firefox: Depends: firefox but it is not installable [12:09] <andres> E: Broken packages [12:09] <BTJustice> LinuxJones: I am not going to get on the Internet with it [12:09] <Nuckin_Futs> hi [12:09] <zaki_> hello [12:09] <ntoblack> howdy [12:09] <tristanmike> ray, so should I install all files associated with 9x? [12:10] <Nuckin_Futs> when i try to instal SWAT i get this message [12:10] <Fingolfinn> lalalalalala [12:10] <codecaine> Nuckin_Futs, change your pass now [12:10] <ray_> tristanmike: just........sudo apt-get install snes9espress [12:10] <nalioth> BTJustice: a good rule of thumb is not to run any gui file manager as root (turns some of into "file manglers") [12:10] <Nuckin_Futs> codecaine i should [12:10] <Nuckin_Futs> how [12:10] <LinuxJones> Nuckin_Futs, best to change your password >> /msg nickserv set password YourNewPassord [12:10] <codecaine> there [12:10] <tristanmike> ray, right so no front-end, no opengl binarys, just the main program? [12:10] <Fingolfinn> mac users are 1 in 30 [12:10] <Nuckin_Futs> k thx LinuxJones [12:11] <dalamar> you want the front end if your running it in X [12:11] <LinuxJones> Nuckin_Futs, but not in this channel :) [12:11] <ero-senni> The following packages have unmet dependencies: [12:11] <ero-senni> snes9express: Depends: snes9x-x but it is not installable [12:11] <ero-senni> E: Broken packages [12:11] <Fingolfinn> but there are 507 people in here [12:11] <ero-senni> hah! [12:11] <Fingolfinn> where the fuck are the mac heads that know ubuntu [12:11] <Fingolfinn> lol [12:11] <dalamar> you need base snes9x and snes9xexpress, and the gl if you wanna run the gl [12:11] <ray_> tristanmike: well it gets the snes9-x and snes9-common files when you apt [12:11] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, it's too easy to make a mistake and totally screw up your computer [12:11] <Nuckin_Futs> when i try to install SWAT i get this message: swat: [12:11] <Nuckin_Futs> Depends: samba (=3.0.10-1ubuntu3) but 3.0.14a-3ubuntu3~5.04ubp1 is to be installed [12:11] <ero-senni> holy crap i got it to compile [12:11] <ray_> ero-senni: sudo apt-get -f install [12:12] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: what mac question do you have? [12:12] <ero-senni> well ray_ , i just got it to install from source [12:12] <Fingolfinn> I'm having severe difficulty getting my firewire installation of ubuntu to boot [12:12] <Fingolfinn> the yaboot wouldn't install, and i'm having no luck booting manually from the firmware prompt [12:12] <ero-senni> screw the gsnes9x pos [12:13] <ray_> tristanmike: what do you mean front-end snes9express is the front end [12:13] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: preface your comments aimed at specific people with that persons nick, please [12:13] <Fingolfinn> okay [12:13] <tristanmike> ray, sorry, I'm just looking at the packages through synaptic [12:13] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: where is your yaboot and what is in it? [12:13] <ray_> i have 900 snes roms : )))) [12:13] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: it failed to install [12:13] <tristanmike> NICE [12:13] <sean_> damn ray nice collectiopn [12:13] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: failed to install WHERE? [12:13] <Stormx> Hey [12:14] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: on the firewire hardrive [12:14] <dalamar> theres only about 20 good ones, anyway I have the whole rom set on my xbox [12:14] <ray_> tristanmike: if you have limewire or gtk-gnutella you can download them there [12:14] <vladuz976> ubuntu doesn't have a .xinitrc or .xsession file? [12:14] <ray_> dalamar: you play them on your xbox? [12:14] <tristanmike> ray, but I must make sure I get the originals first ;) [12:14] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: you will have to install yaboot on your fixed hard drive and edit it to point to your fw drive, i believe [12:14] <dalamar> ray_, along with half a dozen other emus yes [12:15] <ray_> dalamar: how? [12:15] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: what does that require in terms of repartitioning? [12:15] <mihai> what's the package name for xfce ? apt-get install xfce doesn't work [12:15] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: if you're lucky, you have some slack space already [12:15] <Vash|away> will the nvidia ubuntu drivers work with PCI versions too? [12:15] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: that's all I need? [12:15] <Stormx> mihai: Use synaptic and run a search [12:15] <vader1102> apt-get install xfce4 [12:15] <dalamar> ray_, modded xbox running emulators off a dvd with the full romsets included [12:15] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: but the boot partition only requires >1mb [12:16] <Fingolfinn> okay let me try that [12:16] <Nuckin_Futs> can some one please tell me what this message is trying to say: swat: [12:16] <Nuckin_Futs> Depends: samba (=3.0.10-1ubuntu3) but 3.0.14a-3ubuntu3~5.04ubp1 is to be installed [12:16] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: be careful mucking with your partitions [12:16] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: but I also have problems identifying the firewire hardrive [12:16] <ray_> dalamar: i couls never figure out how to mod an xbox [12:16] <Seveas> Nuckin_Futs, it says, kick the backports goodbye or swat [12:16] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: it's seen as a scsi drive [12:16] <Seveas> can't have them both [12:16] <Stormx> ray_: Take it apart and add / remove stuff? [12:16] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: so it'll be sdb or sda or whatever [12:17] <Nuckin_Futs> k thx seveas [12:17] <sean_> man breezy update takes forever [12:17] <ray_> well i put a mod chip in my friends [12:17] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: do you know what format of address it should be pointed to? [12:17] <ray_> but it didnt work [12:17] <dalamar> ray_, its actually really easy if you have a router and can connect the xbox to the network, I don't even have a chip installed its just software modded [12:17] <Stormx> ray_ You didn't just put it in the cd rom drive did you? [12:17] <nate_> Hey, its me again [12:17] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: when you have your fw drive plugged into your ubuntu, run "sudo fdisk -l" to see what it is [12:17] <Fingolfinn> nalioth, the other problem is, my computer will no longer recognize the firewire hardrive [12:17] <nate_> Can someone else try installing java, to see if its not just me? [12:17] <ray_> dalamar: yeah i have mine hooked to a router] [12:18] <Stormx> + You can get linux on your xbox, which I havn't done [12:18] <ray_> nate_: what did you try [12:18] <Stormx> My bro put it on Dreamcast, though [12:18] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: have you plugged it in, and unplugged it during this session? [12:18] <sean_> linux on your x-box is not for sale in north america anymore, or for ps2.. [12:18] <dalamar> ray_, do some reading on xbox-scene.com or try #xbox on efnet [12:18] <sean_> unless u Ebay it [12:18] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: no, it says it's unreadable [12:18] <nate_> ray_: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre [12:18] <dalamar> sean_, it never was for sale it was a custom job from the beginning [12:18] <vader1102> sean_ that's because they haven [12:18] <nate_> I tried doing this AFTER adding extra repos [12:18] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: it recognizes it in disk utility however [12:19] <vader1102> anymore kits [12:19] <dalamar> sean_, which you can still do [12:19] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: ah. i'm clueless about that. i'd reboot and replug it and see [12:19] <ray_> nate_: ok what is the error [12:19] <sean_> dalamar , theres a whole kit u can by, not so custom [12:19] <dalamar> sean_, waste of money ;) its fairly simple once you know how to softmod the xbox [12:19] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: it's the file system format, it's not readable by mac os x, it won't mount [12:19] <Seveas> !ubuntuguide [12:19] <ubotu> rumour has it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned [12:19] <Seveas> !tell nate_ about ubuntuguide [12:19] <sean_> lol, i like doing things the easy way lol [12:19] <ewhitten> do I need to enable inotify with a kernel option at boot? And is it safe? [12:19] <sean_> but softmodding sounds like a neat concept [12:19] <Vash> Something is wrong with the NVIDIA Drivers [12:20] <ewhitten> (for breezy, sorry) [12:20] <nate_> I already know about the Ubuntu guide [12:20] <SweetDreams> guys can u help me here? i am new to ubuntu! i've done what ubuntuguide tells us to do concerning the sound but i still dont have sound, any suggestions? [12:20] <EasterSunshine> Seveas: i added something to ubotu, can you verify if its okay? it is "upgrade2breezy" [12:20] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: which OS "futzed" the fs? [12:20] <Seveas> sean_, dalamar, take this highly off topic discussion somewhere else... [12:20] <nate_> I did the extra repos and still get an error [12:20] <Vash> I followed this guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia and everything seems ok, but when ubuntu goes to the graphical login, I get a black screen. [12:20] <dalamar> anyways [12:20] <Nuckin_Futs> Vash: when i installed nVidia driver i had to re-install ubuntu, messed up my res and wouldnt let ubuntu start [12:20] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: what do you mean? [12:20] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: mac os x 10.4.2 [12:21] <EasterSunshine> IceDC571: i sleep with it [12:21] <ewhitten> cheater! [12:21] <ewhitten> *sniff* [12:21] <sean_> wow.. channel nazi... so much for the humanity feeling [12:21] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: so the data on the fw is ext3 or hfs+ ? [12:21] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: the line of code you said to enter returned the following: fdisk: illegal option -- 1 [12:22] <Fingolfinn> ext3 [12:22] <Seveas> that kind of talk is not allowed... [12:22] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: it is an lowercase L as in Lion [12:22] <Fingolfinn> oh my bad [12:22] <Fingolfinn> ^.^ [12:22] <IceDC571> EasterSunshine: do you usually fall alseep with scrolling text? [12:22] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: this will allow your OSX to read/write to your ubuntu partitions http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsx/ [12:22] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: says the same thing except with an 'l' [12:23] <EasterSunshine> IceDC571: dunno what you mean...but no [12:23] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: hmm, i ran "sudo fdisk -l" and got a nice output [12:23] <sockpuppe1> a quick question.. do I need postfix to be running if im not using a mail server [12:23] <Vash> it shouldn't make any difference that my gfx card is on PCI, right? [12:23] <EasterSunshine> sockpuppe1: no [12:23] <sockpuppe1> thanks [12:23] <Fingolfinn> no go [12:24] <Seveas> (bot abuse, both) [12:24] <Fingolfinn> i have 2 firewire disks plugged in [12:24] <arik> hey Seveas [12:24] <Fingolfinn> *nalioth: i have 2 firewire disks plugged in [12:24] <drudge> hello [12:25] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: "sudo fdisk -l" will (L)ist all devices currently mounted [12:25] <Fingolfinn> let me try the reading/writing jazz thing [12:25] <arik> i cant change the resolution [12:25] <Fingolfinn> it doesn't have that as an explanation under the guidelines described [12:25] <Seveas> arik: To find out how you can change your display resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto [12:25] <morbidi> arik: how big is your monitor ? [12:25] <arik> how do i make it 1024 [12:25] <sockpuppe1> you guys ever heard of bum? [12:25] <arik> 17inches [12:25] <Seveas> sockpuppe1, of course :) [12:25] <vader1102> !wow! I haven't seen that many bans in that short a time in a while [12:25] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, vader1102 [12:25] <vader1102> lol [12:25] <drudge> im trying to setup my wifi, i am using ndiswrapper and the prism02 driver, and i am able to see my router but it doesn't lease an ip [12:25] <NoUse> !bum [12:25] <ubotu> rumour has it, bum is a graphical BootUp Manager; see http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html [12:25] <Fingolfinn> *nalioth: it doesn't have that as an explanation under the guidelines described [12:26] <sockpuppe1> seveas I think its pretty kickass [12:26] <Seveas> vader1102, I was checking the bot stats [12:26] <vader1102> forgot about that lol [12:26] <shorty114> are dual procs easy to configure? [12:26] <Seveas> bot abuse is stupid and you get banned for it... [12:26] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: what isnt explained? [12:26] <vader1102> lol [12:26] <sockpuppe1> and breezy colony 3 runs perfectly (as far as I saw) on my hardware [12:26] <nalioth> shorty114: sure they are (at least on my dual-G5 mac) [12:26] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: l as an option [12:26] <shorty114> nalioth, i'm thinking of buying a machine with dual 3.2 P4's [12:26] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: you are using hoary? and bash as your shell? [12:27] <shorty114> are dual procs supported well? [12:27] <Seveas> shorty114, yes [12:27] <nalioth> shorty114: np at all, just use apt-get to install your smp kernel, and you're in business [12:27] <Fingolfinn> this might be a problem: tcsh: /sw/bin/init.csh: No such file or directory. [12:27] <shorty114> nalioth, sweet, thanks. [12:27] <EasterSunshine> shorty114: linux runs on comps with 512 processors, 2 processors is a walk in the park [12:27] <icewt> is there an easy way to enter a mode where running fsck is safe? [12:27] <arik> is there no? windows version for this seveas? [12:27] <Fingolfinn> *Nalioth: this might be a problem: tcsh: /sw/bin/init.csh: No such file or directory. [12:28] <Seveas> arik, for what? [12:28] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: i'm not sure what bash or shell i'm using [12:28] <arik> configuration? [12:28] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: shouldnt matter, fdisk is shell independent [12:28] <Seveas> X does not run on windows... [12:28] <EasterSunshine> Fingolfinn: do `ps` that will tell you what shell [12:29] <Fingolfinn> tcsh [12:29] <EasterSunshine> wow...where did you find a tcsh? [12:29] <EasterSunshine> i don't even have that installed [12:29] <Fingolfinn> no clue [12:29] <Seveas> EasterSunshine, good :) [12:29] <Akbar> :) [12:29] <Seveas> if you don't want bash, use zsh. csh/tcsh are bad [12:30] <Fingolfinn> but it says when i opened terminal, tcsh: /sw/bin/init.csh: No such file or directory. [12:30] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: if you open your gnome terminal prefs, you can choose which shell to use (i like bash) [12:30] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: i don't have any gnome terminal prefs that i'm aware of [12:30] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: you have had fink installed b4. and i believe you are currently in OSX [12:30] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: i did, on a previous system [12:31] <Nuckin_Futs> my other pc has xp, and i have a network between them, i am using the samba server, how can i make it that i can acces files on this pc with my other one [12:31] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: no wonder my suggestions arent working, you are on OSX [12:31] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: shit. [12:31] <Akbar> Nuckin_Futs configurate your samba shares in /etc/samba/smb.conf [12:31] <Nuckin_Futs> Akbar: ill give it a try [12:31] <Akbar> or through your desktop gui app :P [12:31] <drudge> why would iwconfig wlan0 essid "96WarrenAPT5" not change the essid from any/off [12:32] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: thought you asked for "mac head ubuntu nerds", not "mac head mac nerds" [12:32] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: lol fuck [12:32] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: join ##apple for apple help [12:32] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: i just i'll just have to reinstall fink then :D [12:32] <Fingolfinn> *guess [12:33] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: disregard everything i told you except the ext2fs site (all my inst were for ubuntu on apple hardware) [12:33] <Fingolfinn> oh shit [12:33] <Fingolfinn> i might be able to do this in x-11 [12:33] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: doubtful, as the underneath OS is darwin, not linux [12:34] <Fingolfinn> true [12:34] <s_ean> stevas, that was just cold. [12:34] <s_ean> but tis water under the bridge... we dont need problems here. [12:34] <EasterSunshine> if X becomes unresponsive, then the ctrl+alt+f1 shell still will work, right? [12:35] <Seveas> s_ean, ban avoiding is highly frowned upon... [12:35] <IceDC571> any other shell should work [12:35] <s_ean> meh, dont ban somone who inputs to the community then? [12:35] <Xenguy> EasterSunshine: it should, yes [12:35] <arik> Seveas, i cant make it work. im a linux beginner [12:35] <Seveas> then don't call people nazi [12:35] <drudge> Can someone please help me with my wifi setup on ubuntu? [12:35] <EasterSunshine> Xenguy: and if that shell becomes unresponsive? [12:36] <Xenguy> EasterSunshine: Alt-Ctrl-F2 etc. [12:36] <Nuckin_Futs> Akbar: what exactly should i look for: when i want to access files on this pc with my other one it asked for a user name and password: i put my user name for this pc and pass and it doesnt log in [12:36] <EasterSunshine> Xenguy: ...i have a bunch of shells lined up for me on my function keys? [12:36] <Xenguy> EasterSunshine: F1 to F6 normally [12:37] <Xenguy> EasterSunshine: X starts on F7 by default [12:37] <Xenguy> EasterSunshine: F1 to F6 are sometimes called 'consoles' [12:38] <P4RR0T> How can I mount my Windows XP partitions (using the Live CD) to be able to access them while I'm not root? [12:38] <EasterSunshine> Xenguy: can you refer me to a guide on x shortcuts? [12:38] <nate_> Can anybody try this? http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre [12:38] <EasterSunshine> P4RR0T: sudo mount /dev/hdwhatever /mount/point -t ntfs -o ro,umask=022 [12:38] <Seveas> P4RR0T: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically [12:38] <Seveas> nate_, ubuntuguide is bad [12:38] <nate_> I have edited the Sources and I'm trying to see if maybe the server is down. [12:38] <EasterSunshine> P4RR0T: listen to seveas, his solution is better and easier [12:38] <Xenguy> Seveas: really? [12:39] <tristanmike> Is it possible to have an animated background/wallpaper? [12:39] <Xenguy> EasterSunshine: not offhand - are you just wanting to jump back and forth between console and X ? [12:39] <EasterSunshine> Seveas: ubotu refers me to ubuntuguide sometimes, i think on installing java [12:39] <nate_> I've neever had this problem before and have done the same thing at least 3 times. [12:39] <Xenguy> Seveas: why do you say "ubuntuguide is bad" ? [12:40] <EasterSunshine> Xenguy: i was playing around with some shortcuts, they seem to be able do some neat stuff, i just wanted to learn more for future reference [12:40] <P4RR0T> But I'm using the Live CD, it would be easier for me to type in the command, rather than download the file each time...thanks a lot for the quick adivce [12:40] <Seveas> !tell Xenguy about ubuntuguide [12:40] <Xenguy> EasterSunshine: I might have something bookmarked, sec... [12:40] <nate_> Will somebody else try doing it so I can see if the server is down or something? [12:41] <Xenguy> Seveas: OK, thanks for that - I'll have a closer look, but my first impression was that the Guide was pretty impressive [12:41] <nalioth> Xenguy: it is: but not for newbies [12:42] <nate_> Will someone please help? [12:42] <nate_> And why is the guide bad? [12:43] <ManiacMac> Anyone here been able to get the ATI 8.14.x driver to work on Hoary? [12:43] <WhiteRabbit> if someone doesn't understand what effects some packages may have on the system it could lead to harmful effects [12:43] <nate_> Someone PLEASE try this? [12:43] <BTJustice> Can I enable root to log into KDE Kubuntu? [12:43] <WhiteRabbit> & then they might try to turn on the guide & blame it for there mistakes [12:44] <nate_> http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre [12:44] <Seveas> nate_, it does not work [12:44] <Seveas> ubuntuguide is bad [12:44] <ManiacMac> BTJustice: yes, sudo passwd [12:44] <Seveas> and hoary-estras repositories are flaky [12:44] <Seveas> grab a java deb from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl [12:44] <IceDC571> i forgot about ubuntuguide... who needs it when you have the forums with howtos and a lot of support [12:44] <IceDC571> and this channel [12:44] <BTJustice> ManiacMac: It tried that, but it still won;t allow me to log in as root at the KDE login screen. [12:44] <Seveas> ...and the wiki [12:44] <nate_> THANK YOU! [12:45] <richardk> hey i need some help on something [12:45] <butcherbird> BTJustice: sudo su then passwd ::ducks:: [12:45] <ManiacMac> i think its an option in KDM then [12:45] <kikdijon> re [12:45] <richardk> i have a .bz2 file i want to open in the terminal [12:45] <ManiacMac> check in there [12:45] <nate_> Which one should I get? [12:45] <EasterSunshine> Seveas: are you a developer for ubuntu? [12:45] <ManiacMac> sorry, I'm a gnome guy ;) [12:45] <richardk> can you tell me how to do it [12:45] <kikdijon> oups, no french chanel! [12:45] <kikdijon> sorry, bye [12:45] <richardk> and i want to extract the file [12:45] <pcharky> Hell, E17 & composite rock! :) check the screenshots: http://www.klaroon.nl [12:46] <EasterSunshine> kikdijon: #ubuntu-fr ? [12:46] <kikdijon> yes, i've just made a mistake while typing [12:47] <EasterSunshine> richardk: the tar command will do it after you pass some options to it [12:47] <kikdijon> good night everybody [12:47] <richardk> ok what options do i have to pass [12:47] <chavo> pcharky, it's not composite. E does it's own shadows. [12:47] <NoUse> richardk tar -jvxf file.tar.bz2 [12:47] <Seveas> EasterSunshine, no [12:47] <Seveas> (re: developer) [12:47] <pcharky> chavo: transparency is.... [12:48] <EasterSunshine> Seveas: hmm...sry i think i asked this before...you just know soo much its crazy [12:48] <chavo> aha, I haven't looked at the shots yet [12:48] <Xenguy> EasterSunshine: this URL pertains to debian, but most of it should be useful; I'm not sure if it is exactly what you were looking for, but FWIW :-) http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/ [12:48] <nate_> can you send why ubuntu guide is bad? [12:48] <NoUse> !ubuntuguide [12:48] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned [12:48] <IceDC571> it is from one person and there is no support [12:48] <Seveas> ^-- nate_ [12:48] <pcharky> chavo: plaase do :) [12:48] <Seveas> and the instructions are crap [12:48] <ManiacMac> Well, anyway, I went through several howtos trying to figure out how to get fglrx working, no avail on any of them. I get a "(EE) fglrx(0): incompatable kernel module detected - HW accelerated OpenGL will not work" at startup of X [12:49] <nate_> thanks [12:49] <Xenguy> nate_: Seveas is arguing that the guide can be confusing to newbies (IIUC) [12:49] <chavo> pcharky, I am now. I've got e-17 installed here also :) [12:49] <nate_> o_O [12:49] <tristanmike> When I first saw ubuntuguide I almost cried [12:49] <Seveas> Xenguy, it cannot be because it explains nothing :) [12:49] <CookedGryphon> I have beep-media-player and w32codecs, and i ahve rhythmbox, still neither of them play wma files, mplayer does, tho it doesn't ahve a proper playlist option, help! [12:49] <Seveas> it's just a stupid list of stupid instrictions [12:49] <chavo> mmy connection is slow right now. verizon evdo and don't want to reconnect at the moment [12:49] <Xenguy> Seveas: OK, I'm going to take a second look now :-) [12:49] <tristanmike> I was like "Well, Linux, not yet" [12:49] <nate_> it works for me =\ [12:50] <tristanmike> But have since changed my tune about Linux tho =) [12:50] <Seveas> CookedGryphon, you need a separate plugin for wma in beep [12:50] <Seveas> thythmbox cannot play wma [12:50] <Seveas> totem can if you use the totem-xine backend [12:50] <CookedGryphon> lol then y did everyone tell me to dl w32cod3ecs, what DO they work in? [12:51] <Seveas> mplayer and totem-xine :) [12:51] <IceDC571> Seveas is right [12:51] <IceDC571> anything that has a xine backend it'll work in too [12:51] <CookedGryphon> ah rite, what do i need for beep to play wmas then,. i'm fed up with trying to get mplayer to work lol [12:52] <Seveas> sec.. [12:52] <blumenhalter> mieder [12:52] <cafuego> Seveas: fanks [12:52] <Seveas> s/is/iss/ [12:52] <cafuego> that's box #4 :-) [12:52] <Seveas> caught a cold? [12:53] <cafuego> cold + sinus infection [12:53] <tristanmike> boo [12:53] <Seveas> eek [12:55] <michele> hmm why does my num-lock led doesn't work when in X? in console it is fine. (this is a thinkpad) [12:55] <richardk> ok i have another question [12:55] <CookedGryphon> Seveas, any ideas on wma in beep? [12:55] <Seveas> CookedGryphon, working on it [12:55] <Seveas> are you on x86? [12:55] <CookedGryphon> thanks [12:55] <richardk> im trying to use dd on a .img file [12:55] <CookedGryphon> yeah i am [12:56] <richardk> and i need to know how to do that [12:56] <michele> in place of the led I hear high and low-pitched beeps when num-lock is activated/deactivate [12:56] <CookedGryphon> also, anybody got any tips on the best type of laptop to get to be compatible with linux? [12:56] <SweetDreams> guys ive done everything that's on ubuntuguide.ord "Q: How to configure sound to work properly in GNOME?" and still dont hear any sounds, anyone can please help me? [12:56] <SweetDreams> org that is [12:56] <richardk> the file is tiger-x86-flat.img [12:56] <Seveas> SweetDreams, that part of ubuntuguide is on crack [12:56] <Seveas> even more than the rest... [12:56] <EasterSunshine> SweetDreams: do not use ubuntuguide is does not work [12:56] <Seveas> undo all you did [12:56] <CookedGryphon> cos i'm getting a laptop to go away to uni, what kinda specs do u reckon to run ubuntu including near future updates comfortably? [12:57] <mihai> does ubuntu 5.04 install play divx files out of the box ? [12:57] <cafuego> Sounds like an osx86 issue [12:57] <Seveas> and read wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugingSoundProblems [12:57] <cafuego> mihai: no [12:57] <mihai> cafuego: how gay is that, sigh [12:57] <SweetDreams> thank u man [12:57] <michele> CookedGryphon: most thinkpads work fine. the only problem you'd have is with the newest ati cards wich won't get HW acceleration [12:57] <EasterSunshine> mihai: but there is a codec for divx somewhere in the repos [12:57] <cafuego> mihai: I don't know, my machine has never had sex [12:57] <debiz> CookedGryphon: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ [12:57] <michele> CookedGryphon: I have a T52 and it's fine. My gf has a T42 and it's perfect [12:58] <butcherbird> mihai: just install vlc [12:58] <Xenguy> Seveas: hrm, IMHO it is reasonable to warn newbies that Ubuntuguide is not oriented towards total newbies, but I don't think it makes sense to warn everyone off the guide entirely. There are some nice tips and tricks in there that can be useful to many people. YMMV :-) [12:58] <CookedGryphon> thanks [12:58] <Seveas> Xenguy, the mileage varies too much for the thing to be useful [12:59] <Nuckin_Futs> how do i take out the user name and password needed by other pc to access my pc? [12:59] <P8ntKid> What IRC clients do you all use? [12:59] <Xenguy> Seveas: I think the statement "Ubuntuguide is bad" is far too extreme. Again, just my humble opinion. [01:00] <Seveas> Nuckin_Futs, access in what way? [01:00] <EasterSunshine> whoa...you can run two or more x servers simultaneousy? [01:00] <SweetDreams> seveas can u plz give me again the wiki ubuntu site coz it tells me it doesnt exist [01:00] <Xenguy> P8ntKid: irssi-text here [01:00] <cafuego> EasterSunshine: of course [01:00] <Seveas> wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems [01:00] <cafuego> EasterSunshine: with Xnet you can run one IN another one, too. [01:00] <cafuego> Xnest even [01:00] <Seveas> SoundProblemsHoary is also a nice tips'n'tricks page [01:00] <Nuckin_Futs> Seveas: shared files [01:00] <SweetDreams> both with and without www it tells me it doesnt exist :/ [01:00] <Seveas> Nuckin_Futs, samba? [01:00] <P8ntKid> Xenguy, Can i PM you? [01:00] <Nuckin_Futs> Seveas: yes [01:00] <EasterSunshine> cafuego: and alt+f7 and up swtich the x server? [01:00] <Seveas> set access to shared [01:01] <Xenguy> P8ntKid: if it is necessary [01:01] <Nuckin_Futs> seveas: how [01:01] <cafuego> EasterSunshine: That depends on where you've got them displaying to, but normally: yes. [01:01] <Seveas> in /etc/samba/smbd.conf [01:01] <tristanmike> debiz, awsome laptop site, thanx [01:01] <Nuckin_Futs> ok.... [01:01] <BollocksMacenzie> How does the Keyboard Shortcuts list work... Can I add 1 for the Applications drop-down? [01:01] <EasterSunshine> cafuego: before i try this, would you know if i can login to my user in both kde and gnome simulatneously and what dangers it encompasses? [01:02] <DekaPink> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1564 This happens when mplayer finishes playing a file. [01:02] <Seveas> BollocksMacenzie, no, but you can set custom commands and hotkeys in gconf-editor [01:02] <Seveas> look for the gconf keys apps/metacity/* [01:02] <cafuego> EasterSunshine: Should be fne; it might whine about files arleady existing, though [01:03] <Seveas> CookedGryphon, still here? [01:03] <CookedGryphon> Do i need to set up any kind of antivirus with linux? cos i#'ve seen em about, av programs for linux, but no distros come with em as default that i've seen [01:03] <CookedGryphon> yeah i am [01:03] <CookedGryphon> waiting patiently [01:03] <Agrajag> most av programs for linux scan for viruses on windows machiens [01:03] <cafuego> CookedGryphon: Normally AV on Linux is sued to scan emails that will be retrived by windows clients. [01:03] <cafuego> CookedGryphon: You won't need AV for Linux itself. [01:03] <CookedGryphon> cool [01:04] <CookedGryphon> thanks, it jstu confused me cos i thought, linux no viruses, so y would there be antiviruses [01:04] <Nuckin_Futs> Seveas: this part? "security = user" is always a good idea. This will require a Unix account [01:04] <Nuckin_Futs> # in this server for every user accessing the server. See [01:04] <nalioth> CookedGryphon: linux has AV available for those of us who want to protect our windows using brethren [01:04] <Seveas> yup Nuckin_Futs [01:05] <Nuckin_Futs> security = shared? [01:05] <Seveas> correct [01:05] <Seveas> CookedGryphon, almost there... [01:05] <Nuckin_Futs> thx [01:05] <CookedGryphon> nalioth, surely we want to leave them to fend for themselves, and realise the error of their ways [01:05] <CookedGryphon> Seveas, thanks, its appreciated when you get tehre.. r u writing it ureself or what? lol [01:05] <cafuego> CookedGryphon: I'd love to, but they pay the rent... [01:05] <nalioth> CookedGryphon: some of our mothers won't use linux [01:05] <Seveas> CookedGryphon, I'm making a simple checkinstall package for it [01:06] <CookedGryphon> Seveas, you are a god! [01:06] <CookedGryphon> in ubuntu circles at least [01:06] <Nuckin_Futs> Seveas: it still asks for a user name and password? [01:07] <orlok> hey [01:07] <Seveas> Nuckin_Futs, restart samba... [01:07] <orlok> i want to move my ubuntu install to a new PC [01:07] <Nuckin_Futs> ok [01:07] <orlok> as the new kernel supports the sata controller on it [01:08] <Seveas> CookedGryphon, look at http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl for the deb [01:08] <Seveas> please let me know whether it works (I did not test it yet) [01:08] <CookedGryphon> okay, thanks [01:09] <CookedGryphon> okay [01:09] <siucdude> hello' [01:10] <siucdude> i just have a simple question but can't figure out how to fix this [01:10] <Seveas> ask away :) [01:10] <siucdude> my ibm usb mouse the wheel does not work [01:10] <Nuckin_Futs> Seveas: what was the terminal command for restarting samba again ( i forgot) [01:10] <EasterSunshine> what is the command for locating a file across my / filesystem? [01:11] <Seveas> slocate [01:11] <EasterSunshine> thx [01:11] <Seveas> Nuckin_Futs, sudo invoke-rc.d samba restart [01:11] <nalioth> thought it was just plain "locate" [01:11] <EasterSunshine> yeah, i don't have slocate installed [01:11] <Seveas> nalioth, in ubuntu locate is a symlink to slocate [01:11] <Chris_Lappy> whats the ubuntuguide link to the app for automounting ntfs and fat32 partitions? [01:11] <Seveas> that's not an ubuntuguide link [01:11] <nalioth> Chris_Lappy: you dont want that [01:12] <Chris_Lappy> yes, i do [01:12] <nalioth> Chris_Lappy: get the one from Seveas [01:12] <Seveas> the automounting thing is written by me [01:12] <Chris_Lappy> ive used it before its quite nice [01:12] <Chris_Lappy> oh [01:12] <Seveas> not by crappy ubuntuguide :) [01:12] <Nuckin_Futs> Seveas: uh, it stil askes for login [01:12] <searcher`> has anyone managed to get the microphone working in skype, under ubuntu? [01:12] <Chris_Lappy> got a weblink? [01:12] <Seveas> Chris_Lappy: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically [01:12] <nalioth> Seveas: credit where it's due, ahem [01:12] <nalioth> heh heh [01:12] <searcher`> i can listen to calls, the mic is working over the speakerset [01:12] <EasterSunshine> well locate is a whole lot faster that ls -la | grep whatever [01:12] <Chris_Lappy> oh ubuntulinux.nl is where you pointed me before [01:12] <searcher`> but nothing gets sent [01:13] <EasterSunshine> ls -laR / | grep whatever even [01:13] <cafuego> EasterSunshine: 'locate' does not have an up-to-date database though. [01:13] <cafuego> EasterSunshine: find . -name "*string*" would be more traditional than an 'ls' [01:14] <Seveas> Nuckin_Futs, you might need to add some 'guest ok = yes' statements to your shares [01:14] <zukalk> does anyone experience Zinf random crashes? [01:14] <Hadriel> hey, anyone can help me abou t how i can compile the linux kernel? [01:14] <Seveas> Hadriel: You can find compilation instructions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto [01:15] <Hadriel> thanks [01:15] <SweetDreams> is it so difficult to hear sound? gosh [01:15] <phantom> hi people [01:15] <cafuego> EasterSunshine: THogh you'll be mightily impressed when yuou find beagle [01:16] <phantom> how do I switch workspaces with with the keyboard? [01:16] <phantom> gnome [01:16] <Nuckin_Futs> Seveas: yea there was this like guesk ok = yes but it was commented, i uncomented and restarted samba but still askes for login [01:17] <Seveas> phantom, look for your current hotkeys in system -> prefs -> keyboard shortcuts [01:17] <cafuego> du -sh ~/.beagle/Log -> 328M [01:17] <cafuego> ack [01:17] <kevor> lsdkf [01:17] <Seveas> Nuckin_Futs, then read the docs, i wouldn't know more than this (I tend to keep things secure...) [01:17] <Velox> Sound is just like any other device, but they advance rather quickly. [01:17] <NoUse> phantom it defaults to Ctrl+Alt and the arrows [01:17] <CookedGryphon> Seveas, Thanks dude! it works, i say again u are a god! [01:17] <kevor> or.. they've protected it :P [01:17] <Seveas> CookedGryphon, thanks for the report :) [01:17] <Nuckin_Futs> Seveas: ok, thx for ur time [01:17] <Stormx> I have a package that isn't available as a deb. Can I use a command to make it into a deb? Compiling these things can be a hassle.... [01:18] <phantom> cool thanks [01:18] <CookedGryphon> lol one more question though, is there any way to add files recursively or do i have to go into each folder and select all .. etc.? [01:18] <amonkey> hey, i need some help with some sql. anyone know a good channel for that? [01:18] <Seveas> Stormx, what do you have? sources/rpm/tgz? [01:18] <Hadriel> another doubt: im trying to run amarok on gnome, but it says before opening that the device sound is busy. how can i solve it? [01:18] <Seveas> CookedGryphon, wouldn't know that :) [01:18] <Stormx> Seveas:tgz [01:18] <phantom> And can someone please recomend an MP3 player? Also need a program to convert my CDs to mp3 [01:18] <CookedGryphon> ah well, thanks neway [01:18] <Seveas> Stormx, alien may work [01:18] <CookedGryphon> but u know everything! [01:19] <Stormx> Seveas: How do I use alien? [01:19] <CookedGryphon> phantom, beep-media-player's quite nice [01:19] <nate_> Anybody know why I can't get sound through Windows Media Player through CrossOver Office? [01:19] <zukalk> !alien [01:19] <ubotu> I guess alien is a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/ [01:19] <Seveas> alien blabla.tgz [01:19] <ero-senni> dam i hate it that i can't play doom3 on this system [01:19] <ero-senni> dam ati! [01:19] <Stormx> Seveas: Thanks, I'll give it a go. [01:19] <ero-senni> dam it to hell [01:19] <phantom> CookedGryphon can I just get it off the repository???? [01:19] <ero-senni> next time im buying a nvidia [01:19] <Seveas> phantom, b-m-p is in universe [01:20] <nate_> Or would anybody know of a way to make the system think another player is Windows Media player so when I go to see a music video that requires Windows Media player, I can view it through another player/ [01:20] <nate_> *? [01:20] <CookedGryphon> phantom yep [01:20] <Seveas> so bye all, cee you tomorrow :) [01:20] <CookedGryphon> Seveas, where ru ? what timezone? [01:20] <phantom> Thanks.. so I use the normal get install command to get it? How do I see what's available in the universe???? [01:21] <benjamin1254> how do u install macromedia flash player for firefox... 4 that matter even how do u get it so it auto installs? [01:21] <Seveas> CookedGryphon, it's 1:21 am (NL) [01:21] <cafuego> benjamin1254: x86? [01:21] <benjamin1254> yes [01:21] <CookedGryphon> ah, i'm only an hour behind u [01:21] <Stormx> Seveas: "synce-rra_0.9.1-2_all.deb generated" but where? I ran a search and its not there...... [01:21] <ero-senni> !tellabout flash [01:21] <CookedGryphon> and I'm tired [01:21] <NoUse> !flash [01:21] <ubotu> flash is, like, totally, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats [01:21] <ero-senni> bastards [01:21] <ero-senni> :-P [01:22] <cafuego> benjamin1254: install flashplayer-mozilla [01:22] <richardk> how do turn a .img file into a .iso file [01:22] <richardk> can you do that [01:22] <ero-senni> yes richardk [01:22] <richardk> ok how do you do it [01:22] <nate_> Does anybody know of a way to play music videos with a linux media player instead of Windows media player? [01:22] <ero-senni> let me find that program again [01:22] <ero-senni> hold on [01:22] <richardk> other than renaming the file [01:22] <nalioth> Stormx: you may have to update your locate database [01:22] <richardk> i need a legit .iso file [01:22] <CookedGryphon> phantom u need to edit you sources.list file [01:22] <NoUse> nate_ mplayer can probably do it [01:23] <dalamar> img2iso wont work if its a dvd image, I just went through that earlier today [01:23] <Stormx> nalioth: Ah ha. How? [01:23] <dalamar> richardk, to burn or? [01:23] <nalioth> Stormx: at a terminal prompt, type "sudo updatedb" [01:23] <ero-senni> i think is it KISO? [01:23] <richardk> yeah [01:23] <richardk> to a cd [01:23] <phantom> CookedGryphon, I think I've done that. to get more sources right? [01:23] <Akwa|user> um hey [01:23] <richardk> its 550 mb [01:23] <ero-senni> richardk, kiso [01:23] <benjamin1254> what is the url for the newbie script? [01:24] <dalamar> richardk, k3b will burn a .img as well [01:24] <ero-senni> its on the forum [01:24] <Fackamato> hoi, is it "safe" to use the next ubuntu now? the one after hoary (can't figure out the name right now) [01:24] <phantom> CookedGryphon, so is there anywhere to show us a list of apps available and commands to install them? Apart from the ubuntuguide????? [01:24] <CookedGryphon> yeah phantom [01:24] <Fackamato> I mean, is all the C transition done etc? [01:24] <Stormx> nalioth: Alright, its doing it now. [01:24] <dooglus_> hi everyone. I'm looking for a bittorrent client to replace azeurus. something with a small memory footprint would be good. [01:24] <CookedGryphon> aptitude [01:24] <CookedGryphon> or synaptic [01:24] <Akwa|user> nalioth: I installed ex2 on my compute... it won't advance past the apple logo now [01:24] <richardk> but can i boot it when i start my computer [01:24] <dooglus_> azeurus is currently using 455Mb to download just 5 torrents... [01:24] <cafuego> Xappe: No wireless support [01:24] <dalamar> richardk, as long as its a bootable cd sure [01:24] <nalioth> Xappe: which date is colony-3? i tried a 22aug05 daily on my imac and it killed the whole box [01:24] <ero-senni> yea install k3b to burn the iso [01:24] <NoUse> dooglus_ have you tried the standard client? [01:24] <Stormx> dooglus_: I know the feeling. [01:25] <CookedGryphon> but u should b able to install it by saying apt-get install beep-media-player [01:25] <ero-senni> richardk, do sudo apt-get install k3b [01:25] <ero-senni> then use k3b to burn the nrg [01:25] <ero-senni> :-) [01:25] <Xappe> cafuego: I have no wireless [01:25] <CookedGryphon> oh or is it under bmp... on esec [01:25] <dooglus_> NoUse: I'd like a client to remember the torrents between runs, to offer queueing, or at least multiple downloads at once. [01:25] <Akwa|user> nalioth: I'm kinda up shit creek without a paddle now, this really sucks [01:25] <cafuego> Xappe: That's easy then :-) [01:25] <nalioth> Akwa|user: what is the hardware and OS version you are running? [01:25] <Stormx> CookedGryphon: Synaptic is a good idea. [01:25] <Akwa|user> oh sorry this is fingolfin [01:25] <richardk> i have k3b [01:25] <dooglus_> I only have 384Mb of RAM - and azeurus is using it all and more. [01:25] <Xappe> nalioth: I don't really know...but i'm erasing everything anyway, so a failure is not a big issue to me [01:25] <richardk> this is the file name [01:26] <CookedGryphon> phantom, it is beep-media-player [01:26] <dooglus_> it's really slowing everything else down to a crawl. [01:26] <richardk> tiger-x86-flat.img [01:26] <CookedGryphon> or run synaptic and search for beep [01:26] <Stormx> yes [01:26] <Stormx> do that [01:26] <richardk> i need to know if i can turn this into a iso file [01:26] <nalioth> Xappe: ok. my G5 imac was rendered useless by the daily disk, but as long as yours is running [01:26] <richardk> i want to install this on my pc [01:26] <ero-senni> i finally understood how to convert vcd to mpg under linux [01:26] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: yeah, my computer's wasted now =( [01:26] <richardk> so i need for it to be a iso file on disc [01:26] <ero-senni> download vcdgear for linux [01:26] <dalamar> richardk, in k3b, go under tools, burn cd image, then when you click to search for the iso make sure instead of just looking for iso9660 you select it took look for 'all files' and click on it, should burn fine [01:27] <ero-senni> and :-) [01:27] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: do you have ubuntu installed on it? [01:27] <ero-senni> i didn't ti even exist [01:27] <Xappe> nalioth: we'll se in a couple of minutes I guess :) [01:27] <ero-senni> well vcdgera for linux that is [01:27] <ero-senni> gear* [01:27] <Fingolfinn> no lol, i can't do shit all, it freezes at startup [01:27] <Crube> Hey I'm using KDE (Installed Kubuntu) and I was wondering if there's and easy to switch to GNOME. I can isntall Gnome andall but what's bothering me is that I see the programs from both KDE and GNOME in my programs list and it's annoying :D [01:27] <phantom> CookedGryphon, So I enter: sudo apt-get install beep-media-player ????? [01:27] <CookedGryphon> phantom, yes [01:27] <Fingolfinn> i can't even view the kernel boot [01:27] <phantom> Thanks mate [01:27] <ero-senni> Crube, make a new login [01:27] <Stormx> phantom: Yes, in terminal. [01:27] <ero-senni> i mean like create a new user [01:27] <CookedGryphon> np [01:27] <ero-senni> and run it in gnome only [01:27] <ero-senni> i would figure...? [01:28] <Stormx> sudo updatedb is taking forever....... [01:28] <pr1sm> Hi, I have a creative sound blaster mp3+, and it is recognized by ubuntu in the device manager, but ubuntu doesnt seem to be set to use it. There is a blue light on it that flashes when it is outputting a noise, however this does not flash, SO I know it isnt a silly mute problem, can anybody help me with this please [01:28] <richardk> it says its not a usable image [01:28] <phantom> is there a page apart from the Ubuntuguide.org with a litst of applications in the Universe???? [01:28] <richardk> what does that mean [01:29] <Crube> ero-senni: ok I'll try that :) Currently I'm using kde, but I use programs from gnome like Synaptic and Gaim couse I really hate the kynaptic and kopete [01:29] <Rangitoto> I want to install Ubuntu on an HP computer which won't boot from its non-HP CD-ROM drive. Any suggestions? [01:29] <HrdwrBoB> Crube: why not use gnome with some kde programs then? [01:29] <arik> hello: can u give me again the website for the screen resolution configuration [01:29] <Xappe> nalioth: and by useless you mean, totally useless or you're still able to reinstall hoary for example? [01:29] <nalioth> Rangitoto: boot floppy [01:29] <HrdwrBoB> !resolution [01:29] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto [01:29] <Crube> HrdwrBoB: that was what I was planning on doing [01:29] <HrdwrBoB> Crube: cool [01:29] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: sacrilige! [01:30] <nalioth> Xappe: as in the cd wouldnt boot, and when i started OSX, it kernel panicked upon reaching the desktop trying to read the install cd (no way to eject it easily) [01:30] <cafuego> That's like using DOS programs under WIndows! [01:30] <arik> thsaks [01:30] <nalioth> Xappe: and i can't get ANY linux to install on my G5 imac [01:30] <cafuego> nalioth: hold down teh eject key (or F12) when hitting reset will eject teh cd. [01:30] <Rangitoto> nalioth: I thought of creating a boot floppy using another computer but I was unable to find out how to create one. [01:30] <Xappe> nalioth: ooops [01:31] <Fackamato> OK. [01:31] <Fackamato> what's the next ubuntu version called? [01:31] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: i really appreciate your help, i think i might have some success, but now my computer's totally fucked [01:31] <Fackamato> and can I run it farily stable at the moment? [01:31] <phantom> Thanks People.. Your help was great. [01:31] <cafuego> nalioth: The Hoary PPC LiveCD got as far as scanning for disks here. [01:31] <dooglus_> Fackamato: breezy [01:31] <Fackamato> ok. [01:31] <Fackamato> is breezy usable now? [01:31] <Fackamato> is all the C transition gone? [01:31] <Fackamato> to gcc 4 etc. [01:31] <dooglus_> Fackamato: I've been using it without many problems for 3 months or so [01:31] <nalioth> cafuego: i tried that, and holding the mouse button, and all that. it didnt eject. had to call apple (new G5 imacs don't have the eject hole for the optical drives) [01:31] <Fackamato> dooglus_ great, thanks for the answer [01:32] <dooglus_> Fackamato: there are still lots of updates. [01:32] <pr1sm> Hi, I have a creative sound blaster mp3+, and it is recognized by ubuntu in the device manager, but ubuntu doesnt seem to be set to use it. There is a blue light on it that flashes when it is outputting a noise, however this does not flash, SO I know it isnt a silly mute problem, can anybody help me with this pleas [01:32] <cafuego> nalioth: *nod* Odd though, worked OK when mum-in-law's G5 hung [01:32] <siucdude> can anyone help please [01:32] <dooglus_> I updated today and it downloaded over 300Mb of stuff in 300 packages. [01:32] <Fackamato> dooglus_ hehe okay [01:32] <nalioth> Rangitoto: wiki.ubuntu.com will help you with that. see user documentation [01:32] <Stormx> This sucks... [01:32] <cafuego> nalioth: swap that G5 for four mac minis and run Linux on them (and cluster them :-) [01:32] <nalioth> cafuego: my stuff is always problematic [01:33] <siucdude> i have googled way to long for this [01:33] <Stormx> alien says it is generating a .deb package, when it certainly isn't. [01:33] <Xappe> nalioth: well, I have an ibook g3, maybe i'll have better luck...colony-3 is august 17 [01:33] <cafuego> Xappe: clamshell? they *will* run hoary just fine, should breezy fail. [01:33] <nalioth> Xappe: you got it goin on, then. Everything about the G3s is known to devs [01:34] <Xappe> cafuego: I know...i've been running hoary on it since april or something like that [01:34] <dooglus_> siucdude: what's the problem? [01:34] <Xappe> cafuego: not clamshell, a white g3 700 [01:34] <Stormx> Anyone got any ideas? [01:35] <Stormx> I'll go put my output in pastebin... [01:35] <siucdude> i had a xorg prblem this morning fixed it and now i updated the rest of the system and the only thing that is buging me is my mouse wheel is not on [01:35] <cafuego> Xappe: Oh, I didn't realise they made those in G3 flavour :-) [01:35] <siucdude> thank you dooglus for offer to help [01:35] <Xappe> cafuego: :) [01:36] <dooglus_> siucdude: I've not seen my mouse for over 5 weeks now. I've no idea if the wheel is working in breezy or not... [01:36] <cafuego> I thought they'd stopped after the bronze powerbooks and then moved everything to G4s [01:36] <SolidRaven> uh a question, did i fuck up my kernel after two failed modprobes? [01:36] <siucdude> dooglus: thanks anyways [01:36] <Stormx> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/344533 - help? [01:37] <SolidRaven> if i do modprobe ndiswrapper the comp just freezes :S [01:37] <cafuego> SolidRaven: Well, you _are_ laoding windows drivers [01:37] <SolidRaven> yes [01:37] <SolidRaven> i know [01:37] <nalioth> cafuego: yes, they do all the way to 800mhz [01:37] <SolidRaven> because of the fact that i have crappy stuff from topcom [01:38] <cafuego> SolidRaven: crappy stuff + crappy driver +` crash [01:38] <cafuego> seems fair [01:38] <SolidRaven> cafuego > not realy, i actualy think i fucked up the kernel [01:38] <SolidRaven> two freezes [01:38] <Stormx> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/344533 - help? It says it has generated a package, but its not there........ [01:38] <SolidRaven> i might try without loading it into the kernel [01:38] <wae2go> hey all did the backports url change again? [01:39] <cafuego> SolidRaven: by loading a driver? Not likely unless the system died when writing to the kernel file. [01:39] <wae2go> !backports [01:39] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section [01:39] <cafuego> (and it shouldn't be doing that after booting) [01:39] <SolidRaven> cafuego > the system freezed and i needed to reset it [01:39] <wae2go> !extras [01:39] <ubotu> somebody said extras was For extra repositories, check out http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [01:39] <SolidRaven> ubuntu loads perfectly tough :p [01:39] <cafuego> SolidRaven: Then the kernel is fine and the windoze driver is the problem. [01:40] <cafuego> SolidRaven: It's probably badly written and is making the kernel gpf when it probes hardware. it happens.... shitty but true. [01:40] <NanoBCN> hi there [01:40] <CookedGryphon> how many different keywaords does ubotu respond to? [01:40] <cafuego> !usage [01:40] <ubotu> You can find out how to operate ubotu on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage [01:40] <cafuego> SolidRaven: Got a pcmcia slot? [01:41] <CookedGryphon> lol [01:41] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: if it's a laptop, the card is likely minipci [01:41] <HrdwrBoB> get a replacement minipci card, no need for a bulky pcmcia card [01:41] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: yes, but that's not my question :-) [01:41] <cafuego> Well, true. [01:42] <mcphail> SolidRaven: I had a similar problem with ndiswrapper. Everything worked when I tried an alternantive windows driver for my card. [01:44] <IceDC571> i hate websites running on asp or windows [01:44] <IceDC571> they always have maintenance [01:45] <morbidi> IceDC571: why ? [01:45] <HrdwrBoB> heh asp [01:45] <morbidi> IceDC571: ? [01:45] <IceDC571> i see nothing but errors [01:45] <IceDC571> or.. runtime error [01:45] <HrdwrBoB> IceDC571: it's ok, they make people (also microsoft) a buttload of cash [01:45] <morbidi> IceDC571: bad programers [01:45] <wae2go> well I'll check backlater cuz Icant find java anywhere [01:45] <IceDC571> anyone know of myspace? [01:45] <morbidi> nope [01:45] <zaphands> Hello. I want to setup 2 network cards. One for the internet and one for local network. Both cards are working saperately but not together. What can I do? [01:45] <SolidRaven> no cafuego [01:45] <SolidRaven> i don't have pcmcia slot [01:45] <benkong2> is there a way i can install ndiswrapper in a new kernel while running another? I upgraded kernel but ubuntu crashes because ndiswrapper gives a fatal error. [01:45] <morbidi> zaphands: pci ? [01:45] <SolidRaven> this is a crappy pc chips motherboard [01:46] <morbidi> ethernet ? [01:46] <cafuego> SolidRaven: As HrdwrBoB suggested, see if you can get your hands on a decent minipci card [01:46] <zaphands> morbidi: 1 pci 2 on-board. [01:46] <zaphands> morbidi: the cards are detected and use different interrupts. [01:46] <BollocksMacenzie> Seveas: The Application menu has it's own shortcut in the end... It's called "Show the Panel Menu" instead... I.e. Alt+F1 [01:46] <SolidRaven> cafuego > i can't realy aford that now because i am already upgrading my pc [01:46] <morbidi> zaphands: sudo ifconfig -a [01:46] <SolidRaven> :( [01:47] <HrdwrBoB> SolidRaven: or, if you have a friend with a wifi card, swap [01:47] <cafuego> SolidRaven: Then upgrading it with decent hardware might be a good idea [01:47] <SolidRaven> cafuego > i am upgrading the motherboard + cpu [01:47] <SolidRaven> its like a crapy celeron 1.1ghz [01:47] <SolidRaven> do you get why i upgrade :p [01:47] <zaphands> morbidi: I have IPs for both. but the internet is working from the same device as the local area network. [01:47] <morbidi> zaphands: ? [01:47] <morbidi> what ? [01:47] <cafuego> SolidRaven: Even cheap mobos these days come with half-decent (realtek) network [01:47] <morbidi> zaphands: explain yourself [01:47] <SolidRaven> its like a 6 year old mobo [01:48] <HrdwrBoB> zaphands: you need to be clearer about the network [01:48] <cafuego> SolidRaven: My 6-y-old Dual p2 runs fine, no need to upgrade that. [01:48] <zaphands> morbidi: I want to use eth0 for my cable modem (it uses DHCP) and eth1 for local area network. [01:48] <morbidi> zaphands: sure [01:48] <morbidi> use it [01:48] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: there's always a need :) [01:48] <morbidi> dhcpcd eth0 [01:48] <morbidi> ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.2 [01:48] <Stormx> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/344533 - help? It says it has generated a package, but its not there........ [01:48] <wfry> can anyone help with getting GUI up on a gateway m250 [01:48] <morbidi> ifconfig eth1 192.168.1.2 [01:48] <HrdwrBoB> I'm decomissioning the dual p2 nameserver here - it's too old and I can't rely on the hardware [01:48] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: True, but even then buying low-quality only means you'll be buying additional hardware for years to come [01:49] <morbidi> done [01:49] <HrdwrBoB> true [01:49] <[EasterSunshine] > when i move my mouse over glxgears, it flickers, anyone else have that problem? [01:49] <zaphands> morbidi: I can see both IPs of eth0 and eth1 on ifconfig. [01:49] <SolidRaven> cafuego > for what i am doing this comp is not enough [01:49] <SolidRaven> it takes ages to compile that game engine [01:49] <Stormx> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/344533 - help? It says it has generated a package, but its not there........ [01:49] <zaphands> morbidi: but the internet is used from eth1 instead of eth0. [01:49] <morbidi> zaphands: sudo ifconfig -a | grep inet [01:50] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: The only time mine has crashed was in 1998; when it turned out the rtl8139 driver and CONFIG_SMP and the aic788x driver were not friends (and scsi crapped out when using > 50% bandwidth) [01:50] <brainz> all, Hi i'm a newbie, i just installed ubuntu linux and the problem is i cant read and write into my fat32 , my fstab entry reads like this /dev/hda8 /data vfat defaults 0 0 [01:50] <brainz> i tried to read the manual, searched in the forum but nothing helped [01:50] <EasterSunshine> ns identify jhjhjhjh [01:50] <kemik> Stormx: dont think you can run alien on tarballs [01:50] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: ouch [01:50] <morbidi> zaphands: what's the big deal ? [01:50] <mcphail> zaphands: I don't understand these things, but would "man route" help? [01:50] <kemik> Stormx: untar the file first? [01:50] <Stormx> kemik: Hmm, seveas said you could. [01:50] <CookedGryphon> brainz, u need to set the permissions [01:50] <Akbar> EasterSunshine not really [01:50] <Stormx> kemik: Into a folder? [01:51] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: it's been stable for nigh on 6 years since the addition of two e100s though [01:51] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: while I don't expect them to fail, my job consists of keeping things working, and in that vein, I think I'll ditch them :) [01:51] <morbidi> mcphail: no [01:51] <Stormx> kemik: tried. [01:51] <brainz> CookedGryphon, how? [01:51] <Akbar> but can xcompmgr work with fglrx? [01:51] <morbidi> zaphands: do you need eth0 in dhcpcd mode ? [01:51] <HrdwrBoB> my server at home is a dual p3 933 with IDE linux raid5 [01:51] <kemik> Stormx: . hmm yea looks like it's extracting it [01:51] <zaphands> I see my eth0 IP. [01:51] <brainz> CookedGryphon, chmod? or groups? [01:51] <morbidi> zaphands: I mean REALLY NEED [01:51] <cafuego> You don't want to know what my server at home is <heh> [01:51] <kemik> Stormx: are you sure it's a .rpm inside the file and not sourcecodE? [01:51] <CookedGryphon> u can do it in ftab [01:52] <CookedGryphon> sry jsut a min, i will help u in a min, jsut my gf's saying summat improtant [01:52] <Stormx> kemik: Its not an RPM. [01:52] <SolidRaven> oh well going to try "sudo ifup wlan0" for once tomorow [01:52] <SolidRaven> never know it might actualy work [01:52] <zaphands> morbidi: yes I do. [01:52] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: so old or so overpowered? [01:52] <Stormx> kemik: I'd imagine its source, then? [01:52] <morbidi> zaphands: ok [01:52] <zaphands> morbidi: the modem works that way. [01:52] <brainz> CookedGryphon, can you be please more specific please, thanks [01:52] <SolidRaven> going to bed [01:52] <Stormx> kemik: Thing is, it says it is creating it. [01:52] <HrdwrBoB> I have a friend who's building a dual dualcore opteron for his own personal fileserver [01:52] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: The drives in the P2 are a bit old, what's why i added fresh 80G ide drives in raid1 on their own controller and wiped the 4.3GB scsi drives; they now run / in raid1 too (with a hot spare) [01:52] <SolidRaven> its like 2o' clock in the middle of the night :p [01:52] <morbidi> zaphands: dhcpcd eth1 [01:52] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Even if it DOEs do poo, I'll have some advanced warning. [01:52] <morbidi> ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.2 [01:52] <morbidi> same shit [01:52] <zaphands> morbidi: command not found [01:52] <HrdwrBoB> yeah, always good to have warning [01:53] <morbidi> zaphands: sudo [01:53] <zaphands> morbidi: i'm root [01:53] <morbidi> /sbin/ifconfig eth1 192.168.1.2 [01:53] <morbidi> you're going to loose irc [01:54] <zaphands> morbidi: does it have to be that IP? [01:54] <morbidi> zaphands: no [01:54] <cafuego> thr only problem is that slot1 cpus with the two fans each get REAL loud [01:54] <morbidi> zaphands: make sure it is an internal [01:54] <cafuego> so it's banished to the shed ;-) [01:54] <zaphands> eth1 is connected to a router which uses dhcp... [01:54] <zaphands> morbidi: eth1 is connected to a router which uses dhcp... [01:54] <HrdwrBoB> haha that sucks [01:54] <Stormx> Gah [01:54] <Stormx> this sucks [01:54] <morbidi> zaphands: sure [01:55] <HrdwrBoB> this is why I love my a64, then fan spends a lot of its time off [01:55] <zaphands> morbidi: I'm still here :-) [01:55] <kemik> Stormx: didnt know alien could make .deb's out of sourcecode.. [01:55] <morbidi> I just don't understand why it is so important to have eth0 using dhcpcd and not eth1 [01:55] <Stormx> if anyone can tell me how to get my smartphone working in multisync I will be greatfull :) [01:55] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Well, not as bad as you might think; the shed was wired up with cat5 two years ago, so its finally getting a run for its money <heh> [01:55] <morbidi> zaphands: yep [01:55] <Stormx> kemik: Meh, neither did I. [01:55] <zaphands> morbidi: and I see eth1 up on ifconfig [01:55] <Mats_> bonsoir [01:55] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Yeah, I can't heard my amd64 over the sound of the P3 at all. [01:56] <kemik> Stormx: actually i dont think it can.. [01:56] <Stormx> I press "Sync" and multisync sits there and does absolutely nothing. [01:56] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: #ubuntu-offtopic [01:56] <CookedGryphon> brainz, sorry u'll ahve to ask sujm1 else, i ahve to rush off [01:56] <morbidi> zaphands: ok, once and for all [01:56] <kemik> Stormx: utnar the tarball and compile it as usual instead? [01:56] <wfry> can anyone help me? I have a gateway m250 and the GUI won't work right [01:56] <morbidi> you need to change the eth1 and eth0 services [01:56] <brainz> all, Hi i'm a newbie, i just installed ubuntu linux and the problem is i cant read and write into my fat32 , my fstab entry reads like this /dev/hda8 /data vfat defaults 0 0 [01:56] <morbidi> you have 3 network cards [01:56] <Stormx> kemik: C++ Compiler can't create executables o.O [01:56] <morbidi> right ? [01:56] <sorush20> guys my Keyboard has stopped working in evolution can some one help.. I've restarted the program but its no use.. I don't know what to do I don't want to keep having to log out and back in ? [01:56] <zaphands> morbidi: 2. [01:57] <kemik> Stormx: sure it can [01:57] <morbidi> zaphands: one onboard and one pci [01:57] <morbidi> ok [01:57] <reiki> I have a suspicion that Evolution is stripping the spamassassin headers off my email :) [01:57] <zaphands> morbidi: yes [01:57] <morbidi> ok... [01:57] <Stormx> checking for C++ compiler default output file name... configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables [01:57] <Stormx> See `config.log' for more details. [01:57] <morbidi> now [01:57] <morbidi> which is which ? [01:57] <zaphands> morbidi: eth0 is connected to modem (DHCP) [01:57] <morbidi> eth1 currently is on dhcp ? [01:57] <morbidi> ah [01:57] <morbidi> ok [01:57] <morbidi> sure [01:57] <zaphands> morbidi: eth1 is connected to router (LAN, uses DHCP) [01:57] <morbidi> now do [01:57] <kemik> Stormx: got "build-essential" installed? [01:58] <Stormx> let me see. [01:58] <morbidi> zaphands: which one ? [01:58] <morbidi> ah [01:58] <morbidi> ok [01:58] <morbidi> ok ok [01:58] <morbidi> zaphands: and you need to link eth0 to the router [01:58] <morbidi> and eth1 to de modem ? [01:59] <Crube> Ah the one thing in linux I'm good at... breaking things. :) [01:59] <Stormx> kemik: Installing now. [01:59] <kemik> Crube: its a start ;P [01:59] <zaphands> morbidi: If I reverse the wiring then the clock is not updated from the internet upon boot... [02:00] <morbidi> zaphands: explain [02:00] <zaphands> morbidi: I guess the init scripts use eth0 for internet access.. If I connect eth0 to LAN than upon boot time ubuntu does not update system's clock from the i-net. [02:01] <cafuego> Stormx: Fot future reference: See `config.log' for more details. [02:01] <cafuego> Stormx: That would tell you ehich command failed (and what app/lib is missing) [02:01] <sean___> wow breezy update is taking aloong time :p [02:01] <thrush> anyone know how to get a bunch of domain controllers to sync up in Active Directory heh [02:01] <zaphands> morbidi: That's why i'm keeping eth0=modem, eth1=router. [02:02] <cafuego> A filthy disease talking about windows... [02:02] <thrush> ignore me im just frustrated [02:02] <zaphands> morbidi: I also don't want to share the internet connection. [02:02] <morbidi> zaphands: you need to bring down both devices [02:02] <morbidi> reconnect the wiring [02:02] <erhanerdem> slm [02:02] <zaphands> morbidi: ok.. [02:02] <morbidi> bring up both devices [02:02] <erhanerdem> burda turk varm? [02:02] <brainz> all, Hi i'm a newbie, please someone help i just installed ubuntu linux and the problem is i cant read and write into my fat32 , my fstab entry reads like this /dev/hda8 /data vfat defaults 0 0 [02:02] <cafuego> erhanerdem: English please, in here. [02:03] <erhanerdem> hm ok [02:03] <zaphands> morbidi: ok.. I'll do that. brb. [02:03] <cafuego> brainz: Where is says defaults, you need to have the correct uid,gid,fmask,dmask entries. [02:03] <erhanerdem> have been skystar 2 [02:03] <morbidi> k [02:03] <bur[n] er> brainz: u need some umask/uid/gid options in there [02:03] <bur[n] er> brainz: man mount [02:03] <erhanerdem> can not be watch dvbs tv [02:04] <erhanerdem> what to do ? [02:04] <bur[n] er> brainz: scroll to the vfat section of that man page [02:04] <cafuego> brainz: To create it automagically, '/msg ubotu fat32' and fetch abnd run the script it tells you about. [02:04] <EasterSunshine> what is this i am reading about optimizing my kernal? changing from 386 to 686? what effects does that have? speed boost? [02:04] <brainz> bur[n] er: ok, will do [02:04] <|CRS|> anyone help me? How can I eject an iPod from Ubuntu 5.04 ?! I tried eject /media/pod... but teh ipod is still running!! [02:04] <sean___> optimizintation for your architecture [02:04] <Stormx> kemik: Alright. Now its complaining synce isn't installed. I've just downloaded it (as a non .deb) and now i've extracted it. Theres 5 or 6 tgzs inside...... [02:04] <cafuego> EasterSunshine: a little bit, yes. [02:04] <zealot> hi there... first time linux user here... i just successfully installed ubuntu [02:04] <bur[n] er> brainz: see cafuego's last comment :) I didn't know there was a script [02:04] <brainz> cafuego: I didnt get about that script [02:04] <sean___> props to you zealot :) [02:04] <zealot> this is so cool [02:04] <kemik> Stormx: dontknow what sunce is [02:05] <sean___> welcome to linux :) [02:05] <zealot> :) [02:05] <cafuego> !tell brainz about fat32 [02:05] <kemik> Stormx: but compile what you need, or apt-get it [02:05] <thrush> |CRS|: you mean unmount? [02:05] <|CRS|> no! it must be ejcted!! [02:05] <Stormx> *umount [02:05] <|CRS|> or it burns up! [02:05] <cafuego> |CRS|: unmount it, then unplug it. [02:05] <Stormx> |CRS|: If its pluged in it will be in your desktop. Right click > Eject? [02:06] <zealot> i have a quick question though: my computer had 2 drives, c: a 20 MB drive, and d: a 80 GB drive. installed ubuntu on C:. ---- when I use the file explorer, I cannot find the d drive... does any of you know how I can find it? [02:06] <GoClick> How hard is it to get an Ubuntu install to make /home on /dev/hdb1 ? [02:06] <thrush> ok ok my bad :) [02:06] <BSG75> any idea why gnome running so slow? [02:06] <kemik> !ntfs [02:06] <Stormx> zealot: Its not mounted. [02:06] <ubotu> ntfs is probably the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions. [02:06] <cafuego> GoClick: trivial. [02:06] <Rangitoto> I am trying to create a boot floppy. I entered "mke2fs/dev/fd0" and got the message "No such file or directory". I am in the "root@ubuntu:/home/warty" directory. Am I in the wrong place? [02:06] <kemik> zealot: read the link ubotu pasted [02:06] <juanej> is there a .deb of last version of azureus? backports version doesnt work here [02:06] <Stormx> what ubotu said. [02:06] <BSG75> cpu load is 3.4% .. this is on a 2600+ amd with 1gb ram [02:06] <GoClick> Basicaly we want to set up Ubuntu on our server here but we want /home to be on our RAID1 hard drive setup [02:06] <Stormx> Have to go. Bye. [02:06] <erhanerdem> please how use skystar2 [02:06] <zaphands_> morbidi: I'm back. but I had to `ifdown eth1` for that. [02:07] <kemik> gl Stormx [02:07] <kemik> *gone* [02:07] <morbidi> zaphands_: why ? [02:07] <zaphands_> morbidi: internet didn't work. [02:07] <BSG75> anyone? [02:07] <erhanerdem> ooof :( [02:07] <cafuego> GoClick: In the installer, choose advanced partitioning, create the raid1 in the installer, format and mount it (or just format and mount, if it's hardware (promise/highpoint is NOT hardware, do not use)) [02:07] <morbidi> that's strange [02:07] <morbidi> in fact [02:07] <zealot> anyone? [02:07] <morbidi> how do you bring up the two devices ? [02:08] <BSG75> having issues with gnome running very very slow [02:08] <GoClick> cafuego no it's a Dell PowerEdge [02:08] <robotgeek> BSG75: use fluxbox or openbox or xfce [02:08] <zaphands_> morbidi: i noticed that when i `route` it is stuck before writing the gateways... [02:08] <|CRS|> Stormx: my ipod when it's plugged says "do not disconnect" , and for safety removal, that message should disappear! and with a umount it doesn't! an eject doesn't work.... [02:08] <BSG75> I tried them .. and they are flying .. so is kde [02:08] <erhanerdem> please hepl me ? dont watch it skystar2 [02:08] <cafuego> GoClick: Then it ought to just pick up the array. In the aprtition setup, choose hdb1 and tell the system to mount it on /home [02:08] <zaphands_> morbidi: `ifup -a` [02:08] <kemik> !anyone [02:08] <ubotu> kemik: Syntax error in line 1 [02:08] <kemik> !ubotu anyone is anyone = 90% of the first questions asked in this channel _annoyingly_ start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and YOU decide? <hint> [02:08] <ubotu> kemik: what are you talking about? [02:08] <kemik> ubotu anyone is anyone = 90% of the first questions asked in this channel _annoyingly_ start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and YOU decide? <hint> [02:09] <morbidi> zaphands_: both ethx are in dhcp right ? [02:09] <GoClick> cafuego cool, and if the raid controler isn't found? [02:09] <zaphands_> morbidi: yes. [02:09] <morbidi> that shouldn't be a problem [02:09] <morbidi> if you do dhcpcd eth0 [02:09] <morbidi> dhcpcd eth1 [02:09] <robotgeek> !anyone [02:09] <ubotu> No idea, robotgeek [02:09] <cafuego> GoClick: Then you probably have a dell poweredge ;-) [02:09] <kemik> ubotu anyone is 90% of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and YOU decide? <hint> [02:09] <GoClick> Is Ubuntu ever going to get an easy to use samba gui? swat not being that... [02:09] <ubotu> kemik: okay [02:09] <morbidi> it's the same thing [02:09] <morbidi> but try it [02:09] <morbidi> if it doesn't work [02:09] <robotgeek> !anyone [02:09] <morbidi> check the route [02:09] <zealot> i can't find my d: drive, can anyone help me? i just installed a fresh copy of ubuntu into an empty c: drive. i have a full d: drive, but i can't see it [02:09] <kemik> !tell kemik about anyone [02:09] <cafuego> GoClick: Which controller (specifically) is it? [02:10] <GoClick> cafuego I don't know let me look into that... [02:10] <robotgeek> kemik: good job [02:10] <GoClick> The server hasn't arived yet [02:10] <zaphands_> morbidi: command not found: dhcpcd [02:10] <|CRS|> Stormx: my ipod when it's plugged says "do not disconnect" , and for safety removal, that message should disappear! and with a umount it doesn't! an eject doesn't work...... [02:10] <zaphands_> morbidi: the route is OK with eth0. but only after `ifdown eth1` [02:10] <cafuego> |CRS|: Well, just unplug it then. [02:10] <kemik> robotgeek: im not sure, some of the op's may be offended and think it's all "rude like #debian" [02:10] <kdibble> I have maxlogins set to 4 in limits.conf, but any attempt at a 3rd login fails!? anybody? [02:11] <kemik> robotgeek: but in debian they either a) ban you b) ignore you [02:11] <kemik> ;) [02:11] <robotgeek> kemik: what are the chances of anyone doing a !anyone [02:11] <morbidi> zaphands_: ok [02:11] <kemik> robotgeek: i have no idea ;) [02:11] <cafuego> robotgeek: Once it exists, quite often. [02:11] <morbidi> the problem is in eth1 then :P [02:11] <|CRS|> cafuego, NO! It can be that way!!!! in suse when I used to do that, my pod was formatted because of that! [02:11] <morbidi> zaphands_: eth1 is now connect where ? [02:12] <cafuego> |CRS|: Well, if you can't unmount it, can't eject it, can't just unplug it, you'll just have to leave it where it is. [02:12] <robotgeek> damn...upgrading to breezy is taking a long long time [02:12] <|CRS|> after unpluging it so many times, it doen't mounted anymore [02:12] <zaphands_> morbidi: eth1=modem, eth0=router. [02:12] <kemik> zaphands: i dontknow what youre doing.. but "dhcpd" or "dhclient" is probably what you wanted to write [02:12] <zealot> can someone help me find my 2nd hard drive? [02:12] <zaphands_> morbidi: I can do: ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth1 and it will work! [02:12] <robotgeek> zealot: fdisk -l , i belive might help u out [02:13] <cafuego> zealot: it's probably in your computer. have you checked? [02:13] <brainz> cafuego: sorry the script didnt work :( [02:13] <|CRS|> lolol [02:13] <morbidi> zaphands_: that's really strange [02:13] <cafuego> brainz: Ooh, how naughty. Let's yell at nalioth [02:13] <morbidi> it seems that the both devices are searching for the same addrs [02:14] <GoClick> cafuego I can't say for sure it's whatever the SATA RAID controller on the Dell PowerEdge 800 us :/ [02:14] <robotgeek> zealot: also check in /media [02:14] <zealot> cafuego: in the computer i can only see "filesystem", floppy and the CD rom [02:14] <kemik> zaphands: what's your problem? [02:15] <cafuego> zealot: No, no.. in a terminal, run 'dmesg | grep hd' [02:15] <zealot> robogeek: there's nothing in /media; just the cd roms [02:15] <zaphands__> morbidi: oops.. u still here? [02:16] <zaphands__> morbidi: I was disconnected a minute ago. [02:16] <zealot> cafuego -> i tried running the command on terminal. i can see the drive there [02:16] <cafuego> GoClick: CERC or PERC [02:16] <zealot> cafuego -> how do i make it appear on my computer? [02:17] <cafuego> zealot: 1) partition it if that ahsn't already been done. 2) Format the aprtition (with mkfs) if that hasn't already been done 3) Add it to /etc/fstab [02:17] <apokryphos> cafuego: any way to find out who deleted a factoid? [02:17] <GoClick> cafuego with the cost of the server and the cost of the controlers I doubt it's one of them [02:17] <cafuego> apokryphos: try !factinfo <factoid> [02:17] <cafuego> GoClick: No, it's a dell. [02:17] <zaphands__> morbidi:brb [02:18] <GoClick> I suppose [02:18] <benkong2> on a laptop how can i get eth0 and wlan0 to come up manually. This things waits forever when booting. [02:18] <cafuego> GoClick: The Model 800 comes with either a CERC or a PERC. [02:18] <zealot> cafuego: if i partition it will i erase it? how do I partition it? [02:18] <etker> anyone awake ? [02:18] <zealot> cafuego -> sorry, linux noob [02:18] <apokryphos> cafuego: for *deleted* ones? [02:18] <kemik> benkong2: ifconfig probably, or ifup [02:18] <cafuego> zealot: You partition it with parted or fdisk. [02:18] <cafuego> apokryphos: Why not? [02:18] <etker> i'm curious if theres any commandline soundplayer in ubuntu ? i'm running the ppc version [02:18] <cafuego> !test is bar [02:18] <ubotu> ...but test is already something else... [02:18] <cafuego> !testes is bar [02:18] <ubotu> okay, cafuego [02:18] <cafuego> !delete testes [02:18] <ubotu> cafuego: Syntax error in line 1 [02:18] <apokryphos> cafuego: I get "there is no such factoid" [02:18] <cafuego> !forget testes [02:18] <ubotu> i forgot testes, cafuego [02:18] <robotgeek> benkong2: open up /etc/network/interfaces, and comment out lines containing auto wlan waut eth0 etc [02:18] <apokryphos> !factinfo testes [02:18] <benkong2> kemik, no i mean when booting I don't want to try and bring the interfaces up [02:19] <ubotu> there's no such factoid as testes, apokryphos [02:19] <benkong2> robotgeek, thanks [02:19] <etker> i know i can get sound from the machine because i can hear some drums in the end of the boot process, when i have the login screen [02:19] <cafuego> apokryphos: Hmm, mebbe not. Which one were you after? [02:19] <zaphands_> morbidi: back. [02:19] <robotgeek> etker: mp3blaster [02:19] <zealot> cafuego -> will creating a partition delete the contents of d: drive? i have about 70 MB of content on it [02:19] <GoClick> cafuego it says it's onboard SATA RAID tho where as the CERC and PERC controlers are cards for sale, if it's onboard why bother buying one? [02:19] <cafuego> zealot: Yes. [02:19] <apokryphos> cafuego: a few random ones which I have vague recollection of adding. Ones I'm almost *sure* existed: mplayer, amarok. [02:19] <HrdwrBoB> GoClick: because it's not raid [02:19] <morbidi> zaphands_: so ? [02:19] <zealot> cafuego: i don't want to do that. I just want linux to recognize the existing full drive [02:20] <etker> robotgeek: its not on my system .... [02:20] <GoClick> HrdwrBoB the Dell site says onboard SATA does do RAID [02:20] <HrdwrBoB> GoClick: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html [02:20] <apokryphos> cafuego: it should keep record of !forgets as someone can just repeatedly delete loads of factoids etc [02:20] <cafuego> GoClick: If it's a raid controller, it'll be the CERC. the on-board one is just flat sata. [02:20] <cafuego> apokryphos: They're not removed from the Db. [02:20] <zaphands_> morbidi: I can ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth1 and it works ok. [02:20] <robotgeek> ubotu tell etker about repos [02:20] <cafuego> zealot: Just mount it, then (add it to /etc/fstab) [02:20] <zaphands_> morbidi: I can't activate both interfaces. [02:21] <apokryphos> cafuego: but just not accessible in the list, I guess? :S [02:21] <etker> robotgeek: i just meant its not on my machine ... i did find it through apt-cache search [02:21] <morbidi> zaphands_: you are explaing something wrong [02:21] <GoClick> cafuego ok because it was ordered with a two disk RAID1 no OS configuration [02:21] <robotgeek> etker: apt-get install mp3blaster [02:21] <morbidi> brb [02:21] <etker> robotgeek: its probably a bit overkill though, i just wanna play a few wav sounds. Something tells me that those jungle drums i hear in the boot process are played by a shell command [02:21] <zaphands_> morbidi: can I PM you with ifconfig and route results? [02:22] <cafuego> !amarok [02:22] <etker> so, in a way my question is: is there a way to find out whats happening there in the end of the boot up, when those sounds are playing ? [02:22] <robotgeek> etker: :) [02:22] <Nexinarus> anyone successfully installed Transcode here? [02:22] <cafuego> apokryphos: Correct, their name gets changed to '<factoid> #DEL#' [02:22] <Xenguy> etker: I think 'sox' has the 'play' command which handles wav's, mp3's, etc. [02:23] <zealot> cafuego: ok, gotta ask... how do i mount the drive? [02:23] <webby`> For some reason I can't get w32codecs to install on my comp. I get this error message... E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate [02:23] <cafuego> zealot: with 'mount' [02:23] <etker> xenguy : aaahhh ofcourse ... i was searching for "play" alone, it never struck me that its probably _in_ the sox package [02:23] <webby`> How do I fix this and what does that error mean? [02:23] <etker> wenguy: thanks, will try that [02:23] <robotgeek> webby`: are u on x86? [02:23] <webby`> No [02:23] <webby`> i386 [02:23] <Nexinarus> that is x86.. [02:23] <cafuego> GoClick: the 2.6.12 kernel at a minimum supports the CERC controller by way of the aacraid driver. I'm sure 2.6.10 would too. [02:23] <robotgeek> webby`: yeah, that's what i meant anyways! [02:23] <webby`> oh [02:23] <Xenguy> etker: np [02:23] <webby`> yes [02:24] <Nate> Wheres the download for Java Runtime Eviroment? [02:24] <cafuego> !java [02:24] <ubotu> rumour has it, java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [02:25] <apokryphos> cafuego: thanks. No way to see who deleted? [02:25] <cafuego> apokryphos: no, only who created and last accessed it. [02:25] <Spudchat> hi guys [02:25] <Spudchat> does anyone know anything about piedentd? [02:25] <apokryphos> ok [02:28] <Nate> Where is a link to the debian package for Java? [02:28] <apokryphos> Nate: hoary-extras [02:28] <Nate> I would prefer install a debian package [02:28] <zealot> ok, noob here. can someone help me mount my second hard drive? first time using linux. [02:28] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Nate about hoary-extras [02:29] <Nate> I would like to install it through the terminal, you know, sudo dpkg -i java.deb [02:29] <Nexinarus> do it then.. [02:29] <Nate> Someone sent me a link earlier but I lost it. [02:29] <Nate> I'm asking for the link to the .deb download. [02:29] <apokryphos> Nate: add that repository and you'll have it [02:30] <apokryphos> Nate: of course you'll get a deb... that's what Ubuntu uses. [02:30] <Nate> I did, but the server is down and I have to install it through .deb [02:30] <Nate> I can't use apt-get.. [02:30] <apokryphos> Nate: you're using the wrong mirror then; the one ubotu just gave you is working fine [02:30] <apokryphos> and why can't you use apt-get? :/ [02:31] <Wanderer_> I am very angry. [02:31] <Nate> =\ okay, thanks. [02:31] <apokryphos> Wanderer_: anger is a temporary insanity [02:31] <Xenguy> Wanderer: try breathing thru you nose, and asking a question :-) [02:32] <Xenguy> s/you/your [02:32] <robotgeek> Wanderer_: take 2 deep breaths [02:32] <zaphands_> How do I `route ` if I have two ethernet interfaces: eth0 connected to the internet, eth1 connected to LAN? [02:33] <zaphands_> (I don't want to share the i-net connection) [02:33] <benjamin1254> i dont eather but have 2 [02:34] <Xappe> nalioth: so far so good, it booted into gnome directly after finished install [02:35] <Wanderer_> I am not angry at anyone in this forum, unless they were a developer for the basic Ubuntu package. I am now going to vent, voice my opinion, what ever you want to call it. If IRC has a moderator, I would ask that he/she, as a courtesy, refrain from kicking me off this channel untill I am done. I will, of course, understand the reason for my being kicked, and will bare no ill will to whoever... [02:35] <Wanderer_> ...initiates the kicking. Please remember, I only asked not to be kicked untill I am done as a courtesy. If the the rules of this channel at any time dictate that I *must* be kicked immediatly, I will still take no umbridge. [02:35] <zaphands_> is there a graphical wizard for setting up routing and gateways? [02:36] <Nexinarus> what if two different packages depend on two different versions of the same package, and you wont both packages installed? [02:36] <apokryphos> Wanderer_: nice prelude there. :/ [02:36] <zealot> how can I get linux to recognize my second hard drive (it has 70 mbs of content) [02:36] <robotgeek> Wanderer_: now can u just state ur problem? [02:36] <Nexinarus> zealot: mount it [02:37] <FR500> zaphands_: what prob do u have? [02:37] <bobulor> hi everyone [02:37] <Nexinarus> hi [02:37] <robotgeek> bobulor: hi [02:37] <zealot> neximarus: there's the problem, I don't know how to use the mount command. [02:38] <FR500> zealot: what you trying to mount [02:38] <Nate> How do I uninstall a package through terminal [02:38] <Nate> apt-get uninstall <package> ? [02:38] <zealot> i'm trying to mount my "d" drive, (what used to be my d drive)... a 80 GB hard drive already installed in the computer [02:38] <apokryphos> apt-get remove [02:38] <Nate> Uh [02:38] <zealot> FR500: i'm trying to mount my "d" drive, (what used to be my d drive)... a 80 GB hard drive already installed in the computer [02:38] <Xenguy> Nate: apt-get remove [02:38] <FR500> zealot: is the partition FAT32 or ntfs? [02:38] <apokryphos> and also perhaps with the --purge option should you want it [02:39] <zealot> FR500 i don't know. it used to be a slave drive used under windows [02:39] <Nate> You guys rock :) [02:39] <Xenguy> Nate: --purge kills all app's config files also [02:39] <Xappe> do you guys know of any major breakages after colony-3? or can I risk a dist-upgrade? [02:39] <bobulor> hey uh, are there any uber leet ubuntu people here. I have some hardcore sound issues that rhelmer and seveas couldn't fix the other day [02:39] <apokryphos> Xappe: you can [02:39] <Nate> What about chmoding folders/files through terminal [02:39] <Nate> ? [02:39] <zaphands_> FR500: I have eth0 connected to my router (LAN) and eth1 connected to my modem (i-net). They work great separatly. They just don't work together. [02:39] <FR500> zealot: only 1 partition right? [02:39] <Nate> Like lets say I wanted to chmod opt [02:39] <apokryphos> Nate: man chmod :) [02:40] <robotgeek> bobulor: i tht c r i m s u n was the sound guru! [02:40] <Xappe> apokryphos: ok [02:40] <zaphands_> FR500: I think it's a routing problem but i'm not sure. [02:40] <zealot> fr500: yes .... i just installed linux on my c drive (20MB) with one partition.... D drive also has one partition [02:40] <FR500> zaphands_: how together? both sides probably have DHCP so default gws get overtriten [02:40] <bobulor> is crimsun here? [02:40] <zaphands_> FR500: ohm.. can I PM you my `route` table? [02:41] <FR500> zaphands_: ok [02:41] <Nate> So if I wanted to chmod opt to 666 I'd type "man chmod /opt 666" ? [02:41] <FR500> zealot: you need to find out what is the HD name, type sudo fdisk -l and pm me [02:41] <zaphands_> FR500: I'll disconnect for a second to do that.. [02:41] <zealot> ok [02:41] <apokryphos> Nate: no. "man" is the command to view the manual page for that given comand [02:41] <FR500> np [02:41] <apokryphos> *command [02:41] <Nate> Oh, thanks :D [02:41] <apokryphos> Nate: man chmod will give you the manual page for chmod, which instructs on its usage etc [02:42] <Xenguy> Nate: or man man :-) [02:42] <FR500> nate type man man :p [02:42] <Xenguy> heh [02:42] <apokryphos> Nate: though in this case you can just sudo chmod 666 -R /opt -- the R option, there, is for recursive [02:43] <richardk> hey does anyone have vmware installed on there computer [02:43] <richardk> and you are using gnome [02:44] <bobulor> yo i have mplayerplug-in and i kinda think it sucks, is there anything else I can hook up with mozilla? [02:44] <richardk> i just installed it and i need to know where to find it [02:44] <richardk> on my computer [02:44] <robotgeek> yeah, maybe he's fallen asleep? [02:44] <bimberi> :) [02:45] <richardk> where can i find vmwareworkstation on gnome [02:45] <richardk> i just installed it on here [02:45] <ThxGiving> does anyone know if there are to apply special kernel patches for ubuntu? [02:45] <Nate> I can't remember who it was, or what the site was, but I know it was a ubuntu site, that had downloads of the .deb files for java [02:45] <richardk> and i cant find it [02:46] <Xenguy> !java [02:46] <ubotu> methinks java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [02:46] <Nate> This wasn't it =\ there was a bunch of packages to download, and I found java. [02:47] <apokryphos> Nate: what's wrong with adding the repository I said? [02:47] <robotgeek> Nate:add hoary-extras repositories, it had jre1.5 [02:48] <Nate> I would just prefer to run the .deb [02:48] <apokryphos> Nate: what do you think I'm telling you to do? [02:48] <apokryphos> that's exactly what I'm suggesting [02:48] <robotgeek> !lart Agamotto [02:49] <robotgeek> Agamotto: hehe, sorry! [02:49] <wickedpuppy> where are iptables settings saved ? [02:50] <Nate> Sorry, apokryphos thanks. [02:50] <apokryphos> Nate: let us know if you have problems with adding/downloading it, though. [02:50] <apokryphos> we're here to help =) [02:50] <richardk> ok i have mac osx for x86 and i want to install it [02:50] <richardk> now i need to use vmware to do that [02:51] <richardk> and i dont know how to use it on linux [02:51] <richardk> would somebody please help me out [02:51] <wickedpuppy> use what ? vmware ? [02:51] <richardk> yes [02:51] <richardk> vmware [02:51] <P8ntKid> Can anybody how me where i can get JRE becuase the apt sources dont have it anymore [02:52] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell P8ntKid about hoary-extras [02:52] <TraceGreen> richardk, So, you don't know how to install vmware on linux, is it right? [02:52] <Moongirl^^> good day... [02:52] <richardk> i have installed it already [02:52] <robotgeek> Moongirl^^: hi [02:52] <richardk> i just dont know how to use it [02:52] <P8ntKid> apokryphos, I have allready enabled the extra repositories [02:52] <LinuxJones> wickedpuppy, they are lost unless you create a script that loads them or install a firewall tool like firestarter [02:52] <Moongirl^^> can anybody tell me how to become root w/ ubunto? [02:52] <robotgeek> !root [02:52] <ubotu> I guess root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo [02:52] <TraceGreen> richardk, can you run it? [02:52] <apokryphos> P8ntKid: if you have enabled taht one, then you will have it [02:52] <wickedpuppy> richardk, shouldn't it for vmware customer support ?? [02:52] <P8ntKid> Moongirl^^, sudo passwd root [02:52] <ilba7r> i have a problem with deleting a user. I delete him and his group yet as soon as i log in to gdm his name is still there and when i use system>pref>add/del user he is stil there? How can i permenantly remove him? [02:52] <linuz> hello [02:52] <robotgeek> Moongirl^^: read that link [02:53] <richardk> well it is vmwareworkstation [02:53] <richardk> thats what i installed [02:53] <apokryphos> P8ntKid: please don't advise people to create a root account when they don't know to use sudo. [02:53] <linuz> can i make a vpn connection on ubuntu? [02:53] <ubuntu> hello [02:53] <Moongirl^^> ok will do.. thanks.. [02:53] <richardk> how bout pear pc [02:54] <Moongirl^^> su passwd root... ty p8ntKid [02:54] <richardk> or any other type of program like that [02:54] <apokryphos> Moongirl^^: it's not recommended that you do that [02:54] <robotgeek> Moongirl^^: don't use that! [02:54] <wickedpuppy> btw .. its sudo [02:54] <apokryphos> Moongirl^^: you should use sudo. Check the link. [02:54] <wickedpuppy> and use sudo [02:54] <richardk> can i use that to install mac os x for x86 [02:54] <P8ntKid> Its not like your gona die if you use root... [02:54] <richardk> onto my computer [02:54] <robotgeek> P8ntKid: it's pretty dangerous [02:54] <Xenguy> !sudo [02:54] <ubotu> hmm... sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [02:54] <apokryphos> P8ntKid: ubuntu doesn't have it disabled for no reason. You shouldn't advise people to go against it for no reason. [02:54] <wickedpuppy> richardk, you got vmware ... use it [02:55] <LinuxJones> richardk, where did you get that ? [02:55] <Xenguy> Moongirl^^: read that and make up your own mind :-) [02:55] <richardk> get what [02:55] <wickedpuppy> vmware [02:55] <richardk> from vmware.com [02:55] <P8ntKid> Im not advising anybody to do it, someone asked a question, and i answered it... [02:55] <LinuxJones> richardk, mac os for x86 from vmware ? [02:55] <wickedpuppy> then call those guys for help dude ... thats what you paid them for [02:55] <richardk> no [02:55] <richardk> mac os x for x86 from apple [02:55] <wickedpuppy> is it out ? [02:55] <apokryphos> P8ntKid: erm, yes you did -- your instruction was for them to create/use the root account instead of telling them that Ubuntu has it *disabled* and that it uses *sudo* instead. Read the link. [02:56] <richardk> it needs vmware to use it [02:56] <robotgeek> richardk: developer machine? [02:56] <richardk> it works [02:56] <richardk> i just need to install it [02:57] <keegan3747> hi, I am trying to get my linux machine on a home wireless network [02:57] <wickedpuppy> richardk, how much you paid for that ?? sorry its OT [02:57] <Nate> http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre [02:57] <Moongirl^^> hey guys.. i just want to know how to use the root account...i case i need to install the squid proxy.. [02:57] <P8ntKid> Where is the apt sources list located? [02:57] <Nate> I'm trying that and it isn't working o-O [02:57] <keegan3747> I have already done the ndiswrapper thing, now kwifi can't find any networks [02:57] <apokryphos> Moongirl^^: why didn't you read the link? [02:57] <richardk> its what [02:57] <wickedpuppy> P8ntKid, /etc/apt/sources.list [02:57] <Xenguy> Moongirl^^: exactly [02:57] <richardk> whats OT mean [02:57] <wickedpuppy> off topic [02:57] <richardk> i didnt [02:57] <keegan3747> it returns: Error : unrecognised wireless request "Mb/s" [02:57] <keegan3747> Determining IP information for wlan0... failed; no link present. Check cable? [02:58] <wickedpuppy> then ? you downloaded ? [02:58] <richardk> i really good friend on the inside gave it to me [02:58] <richardk> he works for a certain computer company [02:58] <wickedpuppy> ok ... richardk ... i advice ... call vmware hotline [02:58] <LinuxJones> richardk, omg stealing computer software is lame [02:58] <orlok> keegan3747: hahahahahah [02:58] <apokryphos> Moongirl^^: prefix your commands with "sudo" which you want to be run with root permissions. You will be prompted for *your* password here. [02:58] <orlok> keegan3747: thats funny :) [02:58] <richardk> i didnt steal it [02:58] <richardk> he helped design it [02:59] <richardk> he gave me a copy to try out [02:59] <LinuxJones> richardk, you are not supposed to have it [02:59] <richardk> what are u gonna do about it [02:59] <Moongirl^^> ok.. sudo is it... [02:59] <LinuxJones> richardk, how bout you leave the channel [02:59] <keegan3747> orlok, wat about it is funny? [02:59] <keegan3747> that is what it said [03:00] <LinuxJones> bob2, thank you [03:00] <Nexinarus> heh what isnt richardk suposed to have? [03:00] <wickedpuppy> eh ah ... didn't his friend gave him ?? nvm [03:01] <P8ntKid> I added the extra rep. for apt to download java, but it still sais root@Jonslinux:/home/jon # apt-get install sun-j2re1.5 [03:01] <P8ntKid> Reading package lists... Done [03:01] <P8ntKid> Building dependency tree... Done [03:01] <P8ntKid> E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5 [03:01] <P8ntKid> root@Jonslinux:/home/jon # [03:01] <LinuxJones> Nexinarus, he has a pirated copy of OSx for x86 (The developers beta) [03:01] <robotgeek> !pastebin [03:01] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl [03:02] <robotgeek> P8ntKid: use that [03:02] <wickedpuppy> LinuxJones, not pirated ... his friend gave to him ... [03:02] <robotgeek> wickedpuppy: yeah, right [03:02] <P8ntKid> robotgeek, ??? [03:02] <P8ntKid> oh [03:02] <robotgeek> don't paste in the channel [03:02] <LinuxJones> wickedpuppy, umm your not allowed to distribute that [03:02] <Akbar> lol [03:03] <wickedpuppy> then its his friend fault LinuxJones ... clearly its illegal ... i am wondering whose responsibility is it [03:03] <Nexinarus> I am so lost with this dependency hell :( [03:03] <LinuxJones> wickedpuppy, this is offtopic [03:03] <Agamotto> I can just see Steve Jobs knocking on his/her door [03:03] <Akbar> so how would you put in/upgrade hardware without the drivers for osxintel :P [03:03] <apokryphos> P8ntKid: please paste.ubuntullinux.nl your sources.list [03:03] <Akbar> LinuxJones what repository? [03:04] <ixiz> How do I install iso-8859-1 on my laptop? [03:04] <Akbar> I meant P8ntKid what repository? [03:04] <P8ntKid> The one uboto gave me [03:04] <emRick> what package contains the "tex" executable? [03:04] <apokryphos> P8ntKid: did you sudo apt-get update first? [03:05] <P8ntKid> apokryphos, Yep [03:05] <robotgeek> emRick: for latex? [03:05] <Nate> Where is the .deb file I can DOWNLOAD to my desktop and extract myself? [03:05] <Nate> WITHOUT adding repos. [03:05] <Wanderer_> To start with, I do not blame those who are just "users" like me, who are on this forum. It's not thier fault that Ubuntu seems to have the crappiest aurodetect for drivers that I have ever had the unfotuneate privilage to be subjected to. It is, however, the developers fault, not only for making an OS that is as crotchety as a senile, 80 year old little lady at detecting hardware correctly,... [03:05] <Wanderer_> ...but also for making it impossible to find a central (not the word, CENTRAL) repository for alternate drivers other than the ones provided with the default install. I also resent in the extream thier evident lack of concearn at making deceant on board help files available (in certain windows, the "Help" button is displayed even though clicking on it results in nothing happening). In fact,... [03:05] <Wanderer_> ...even the 75% of the time you do get a help file, it's not easy to jump from it to other sections of the "help" index, since most titles that form a link indicate not what program they lead to, but simply the acronym of whatever open source developer created them. If (big if) a new user *does* manage to find a relevant help file, it is often formatted oddly, with coherent text sprinkled... [03:05] <Wanderer_> ...with odd gaps of blank space. As for Ubuntu being "Linux For Humans", I really would call that an outright lie, unless one assumes that they mean "human beings that already know what the hell they are doing with a Linux OSW". Sorry, but last time I checked, ol' Aver Age Joe over thier didn't learn to communicate in "sudo-speech" whenever he was instructed in the arts of speaking a... [03:05] <emRick> robotgeek: Actually, I just want to use "tex" by itself but I don't mind installing "latex" at the same time. [03:05] <Xenguy> Nate: that is the wrong approach [03:05] <wickedpuppy> wha wha [03:05] <Wanderer_> ...coherent language. Yet that is repeatedly what one must utilize if one wishes to hammer through Linuxs' sparse GUI Configuration options and actually get the damn C3PO wanna-b to understand where the hell your hardware is, much less get Ubuntu to comprehend what its proper name is and how to have meaningful communications with it. Oh, and who's the wise guy that thought it would be a good... [03:05] <Wanderer_> ...idea to offer patches and then: A. lump them sloppily toghether, with no semblance of order or catagorization. B. Give them quasi-mystical file names that provide no clue as to whet the hell they do, *and* not provide any descriptions for them (for all I knew, they could have been various patches for getting your OS to indentify Donald Trumps' hairstyle). So, that's it. End of maniacle... [03:06] <wickedpuppy> bob2, ? [03:06] <Wanderer_> ...rant. Kick me permanently if you must, Mods That Be, but I COULD NOT in good faith just silently leave the scean. I had to proclaim what a frustrating, hellish, dispicable time I had with this OS. Say sorry, Wanderer. [03:06] <Nate> I didn't mean it like that, [03:06] <apokryphos> Wanderer_: you don't have any excuse for flooding the channel [03:06] <emRick> robotgeek: (I'll repeat myself ...) Actually, I just want to use "tex" by itself but I don't mind installing "latex" at the same time. [03:06] <apokryphos> Nate: *why*? [03:06] <robotgeek> yeah, i had my ignore ready! [03:06] <emRick> apokryphos: is insanity a defense? [03:06] <kevman> If I do a apt-get dist upgrade from Warty, will the changes I made to my hardware drivers live through it? [03:07] <HrdwrBoB> Wanderer_: ... thank you for flooding, unfortunately you misspelt scene [03:07] <Nexinarus> lol Wanderer_ so you dont like this OS, so what? Go use something else [03:07] <Nate> It's what worked for me earlier before I reinstalled Ubuntu. [03:07] <Wanderer_> Nope. You're right, I'm afraid. At least, none that would satisfy any but me. [03:07] <robotgeek> emRick: tetex-bin , tetex-base, tetex-extras [03:07] <HrdwrBoB> and haven't backed up your observations with any sort of actual problems [03:07] <HrdwrBoB> Wanderer_: bad hardware auto detection? [03:07] <apokryphos> P8ntKid: you haven't added the repo properly; it's there. [03:07] <HrdwrBoB> Wanderer_: 'other driers' ? [03:07] <emRick> HrdwrBoB: yikes ... weidy Wanderer might repeat with the spell correct 8-() [03:07] <Nexinarus> my hardware is quite rare but auto detected fine [03:07] <emRick> robotgeek: ok, thanks [03:07] <P8ntKid> apokryphos, What Repo do i need? [03:08] <HrdwrBoB> Wanderer_: saying 'it sucks' gets you nowhere [03:08] <apokryphos> Nate: it's hardly rocket-science :). Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add in that line. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5 [03:08] <Wanderer_> Yep. I was angry. You try seeing how well your spelling holds up. [03:08] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell P8ntKid about hoary-extras [03:08] <HrdwrBoB> Wanderer_: general observations have been that the hw autodetection is very good [03:08] <wickedpuppy> Wanderer_, what is your problem that lead you to flood this chan ? [03:08] <Akbar> he's right [03:08] <Nate> I did, but I'm getting an error. [03:08] <Akbar> there's no sun-j2re [03:08] <apokryphos> Wanderer_: you're just trolling [03:08] <HrdwrBoB> Wanderer_: I'm sure you have valid problems [03:08] <Akbar> in extras [03:09] <HrdwrBoB> Wanderer_: but until you can qualify them with actual details, no-one will take you seriously [03:09] <Wanderer_> Already stated, wicked puppy. [03:09] <kevman> Anyone? [03:09] <emRick> rocket-science: yow, tetex-bin, etc are 10M each ... sigh, I might do this later on ... but at least now I know what I need [03:09] <orlok> what hardware? [03:09] <linux_ubuntu> my browser is not recognising my dailup connection [03:09] <P8ntKid> apokryphos, I did that, still the same thing [03:09] <Xenguy> Wanderer_: I don't even know what to say to your precious little rant. Ubuntu is a very impressive piece of work. Too bad you had a rough time, but it you intend to continue learning linux you'll have to change your attitude a *lot*. Maybe OSX is for you instead? [03:09] <P8ntKid> and i apt-get updated too [03:10] <wickedpuppy> no .. you never state your problem ... what hardware .. what error messages ... [03:10] <robotgeek> emRick: i think u meant me :) [03:10] <robotgeek> i started using breezy and my productivity is already up 150% [03:11] <emRick> robotgeek: that's what I get for using `dabbrev-expand' in ERC :$( [03:12] <EasterSunshine> sg nickserv identify immortal [03:12] <Logistics> opps [03:12] <Logistics> :X [03:12] <robotgeek> emRick: ERC, emacs... [03:12] <linux_ubuntu> can anyone help me?? [03:12] <EasterSunshine> whew...that was close...second time today!! [03:12] <EasterSunshine> i am running out of passwords... [03:12] <wickedpuppy> oh boy [03:12] <Agamotto> linux_ubuntu: Possibly, start with what hardware you are using [03:12] <concept10> anyone here play americas army? [03:12] <Flonne> EasterSunshine, switch to your status context before identifying. [03:13] <EasterSunshine> Flonne: thx, but i think i'll script an auto identifier [03:13] <robotgeek> linux_ubuntu: or what u need help with :) [03:13] <linux_ubuntu> i am using lucent win modem on 533 mhz and 128 ram [03:13] <Xenguy> EasterSunshine: or press the 'home' key ;-) [03:13] <Agamotto> Ahhh, a win modem... half of your problem. [03:13] <linux_ubuntu> i need help with firefox [03:13] <wickedpuppy> linux_ubuntu, you know winmodem is crippled hardware ? [03:13] <robotgeek> :) [03:13] <ekimus> !repos [03:14] <ubotu> repos is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [03:14] <Agamotto> linux_ubuntu: Are you not able to connect at all? [03:14] <P8ntKid> Can anybody help? [03:14] <linux_ubuntu> i installed it correctly [03:14] <Efwis> where would I find the directory of the C header files that match my running Kernel? [03:14] <robotgeek> Efwis: try kernel-headers package [03:14] <Agamotto> linux_ubuntu: So it does work, but you are having some difficulty once online? [03:14] <linux_ubuntu> yes [03:15] <linux_ubuntu> firefox is not enable to browse [03:15] <Efwis> thank you [03:15] <EasterSunshine> linux_ubuntu: you mean unable? [03:15] <linux_ubuntu> yes [03:15] <Agamotto> linux_ubuntu: This is very important - can you fetch your email? [03:15] <linux_ubuntu> not at all [03:15] <EasterSunshine> firefox sometimes need to be set to ipv4 from ipv6 sometimes i think [03:16] <P8ntKid> Does anybody know what Repo i need to ass to get JRE5.0? [03:16] <HrdwrBoB> !tell Wanderer_ about resolution [03:16] <lui> hello everybody [03:16] <Agamotto> linux-ubuntu: I assume that you get the whistle/tones that let you know that you are connected? [03:16] <linux_ubuntu> i installed extras from terminal [03:16] <EasterSunshine> P8ntKid: seveas had debs in his experimental repo [03:16] <P8ntKid> EasterSunshine, And wat repo would that be? [03:16] <linux_ubuntu> i know its connected by dmesg tail [03:16] <Agamotto> True, but if he can't even fetch email, that would be the DNS setup, if memory serves [03:17] <linux_ubuntu> ips assigned correctly [03:17] <EasterSunshine> P8ntKid: one sec i am looking it up [03:17] <Agamotto> linux_ubuntu: what ISP? [03:17] <P8ntKid> EasterSunshine, k, thanks. [03:17] <ubuntu> hello room [03:17] <lui> Is there any application to monitor my cpu temp? [03:17] <ubuntu> nope [03:17] <Agamotto> lui: gkrellm [03:17] <arzajac> Hello. How do I create a mouse cursor theme ub gnome? What tool do I use? [03:17] <orlok> Is there a way to see what drivers my initrd has loaded? [03:18] <tristanmike> linux_ubuntu, this website may have something for you... http://linmodems.org/ [03:18] <EasterSunshine> lui: thermometer [03:18] <arzajac> lui: lm-sensors or mbmon (xmbmon) [03:18] <t0mmy> http://www.smashsworld.com/2005/08/im-on-google-talk-right-now.php [03:18] <t0mmy> google talk go [03:18] <Agamotto> linux_ubuntu: I think your problem is that your DNS servers aren't set up properly [03:18] <t0mmy> (okay so this isn't ubuntu-related but whatever) [03:18] <robotgeek> t0mmy: offtopic [03:18] <linux_ubuntu> how to set dns [03:19] <linux_ubuntu> what settings [03:19] <lui> wow! thanks everybody [03:19] <EasterSunshine> P8ntKid: the link was http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ but i just timed out when i tried to connect to it on port 80... [03:19] <ixiz> Hi i just installed java sdk [03:19] <t0mmy> is there an #ubuntusocial or what? [03:19] <arzajac> orlok: you can see what goes on in dmesg [03:19] <ixiz> but how do I add that j2sdk directory [03:19] <EasterSunshine> P8ntKid: but whatever you do, do not install from a bin [03:19] <robotgeek> t0mmy: ubuntu-offtopic [03:19] <Agamotto> Not sure myself. Anyone else good at setting up dial-up stuffs regarding DNS? [03:19] <t0mmy> i like the community here, and a non-support irc chat would be great [03:19] <ixiz> to my path so that I can just type java [03:19] <t0mmy> ah, thanks :D [03:19] <P8ntKid> Well, i found another.deb in one of Ubuntu ftp's so im gona try that [03:20] <archie> question: how to I log on as root using GUI? [03:20] <EasterSunshine> ixiz: in one of the following ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile (dunno which) do something like $PATH = /javasdk/dir:$PATH [03:20] <linux_ubuntu> is anyone good at DNS here? [03:20] <emRick> Agamotto: interesting, how do I get gkrellm to report CPU temperature? the configuration CPU doesn't have anything to turn on this report. [03:20] <nalioth> t0mmy: #ubuntu-offtopic [03:20] <t0mmy> yeah, i found it :D [03:21] <Agamotto> emRick: It should be configuration - builtins - cpu [03:21] <ixiz> EasterSunshine: and what about the other path's that already are specified, do they remain ? [03:21] <arzajac> emRick: I think you need to install and configure lm-sensors. [03:21] <benjamin1254> totem wont play ne audio for dvds after all dvd librarys are installed... what should i do? [03:21] <EasterSunshine> ixiz: if you include :$PATH, it should prepend the javadir to the current $PATH [03:21] <Logistics> any coders with freetime on their hands in here? [03:21] <Logistics> :X [03:22] <T5-Steboyuk> hi guys [03:22] <T5-Steboyuk> i'm having major problems installing breezy [03:22] <Agamotto> benjamin1254: fetch libdvdcss2 [03:22] <EasterSunshine> ixiz: note the colon, the dir separator [03:22] <T5-Steboyuk> could someone help? [03:22] <EasterSunshine> T5-Steboyuk: just ask and be more specific :) [03:22] <T5-Steboyuk> ok [03:22] <T5-Steboyuk> well the first install bit goes o [03:22] <T5-Steboyuk> k [03:22] <EasterSunshine> Logistics: what langauge? [03:22] <ixiz> well how do I find out if it should be .bashrc or .bash_profile ? [03:22] <emRick> Agamotto: odd, can't find it ... is 2.2.7 the most recent? [03:23] <Agamotto> emRick: I believe so [03:23] <T5-Steboyuk> then i get the error 'unable to find volume group sda1 - alert! /dev/sda1 does not exist. dropping to a shell' [03:23] <Agamotto> Check the sensors under built-in as well [03:23] <T5-Steboyuk> so the first stage of theinstall is ok, then i restart then i get this [03:23] <EasterSunshine> ixiz: one of them should already include a line similar to the one i gave you [03:23] <EasterSunshine> ixiz: i guess stick it right under that line [03:23] <brainz> all, is the backport apt repository down? [03:23] <Logistics> C++, C# preferably [03:24] <T5-Steboyuk> anyone? [03:24] <emRick> Agamotto: ok, I see it in sensors but nothing is responding ... I guess my PC doesn't support this feature. [03:24] <EasterSunshine> ixiz: my .bash_profile had this line in it: PATH=~/.bin:"${PATH}" [03:24] <ixiz> EasterSunshine: I found this one: PATH="/bin:"${PATH}" [03:24] <Agamotto> emRick: More info on your hardware [03:24] <benjamin1254> root@ubuntu:/home/benjamin1254 # fetch libdvdcss2 [03:24] <benjamin1254> bash: fetch: command not found [03:25] <ixiz> lol [03:25] <ixiz> yes [03:25] <EasterSunshine> ixiz: yeah, follow that example [03:25] <lexhider> is breezy in reasonable shape at the moment? (i know it's not production, etc, etc) [03:25] <adriyel> I'm back [03:25] <robotgeek> is network-manager broken on breezy? [03:25] <T5-Steboyuk> anyone??? [03:25] <EasterSunshine> ixiz: it prepends ~/.bin to $PATH [03:25] <ixiz> EasterSunshine: so I should just add the line /usr/local/j2sdk/bin: [03:25] <benjamin1254> it wont b found [03:25] <benjamin1254> i even did searches [03:26] <EasterSunshine> ixiz: you may want to do the line outside the if/fi block [03:26] <EasterSunshine> ixiz: cause then if you don't have a ~/.bin, it wont prepend the java dir [03:26] <Logistics> EasterSunshine, can u code? [03:26] <Logistics> ;x [03:26] <hardw1re> \o/ hello [03:26] <EasterSunshine> Logistics: i did c++ some time ago, now i only do c, python, and perl [03:26] <bjorn_> How can I open sources.list when i'm in the server thingy :o [03:26] <ixiz> ok so it should be PATH="/usr/local/j2sdk<ver>/bin:"${PATH}" I should add [03:26] <robotgeek> bjorn_: nana, or vim [03:26] <EasterSunshine> Logistics: and NOT winapi programming, plz it was a nightmar [03:27] <Logistics> im looking for a handful of coders for a project i want to startup [03:27] <bjorn_> k thanks robotgeek [03:27] <hardw1re> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list [03:27] <EasterSunshine> ixiz: you have a stray double quote. don't put one after the = [03:27] <T5-Steboyuk> anyone??? [03:28] <EasterSunshine> Logistics: what is the project? and care to continue this conv in #ubuntu-offtopic? [03:28] <hardw1re> T5-Steboyuk: are you trying to boot of a SATA / SCSI device? [03:28] <T5-Steboyuk> SCSI [03:28] <T5-Steboyuk> it's a standard vmware disk [03:29] <T5-Steboyuk> works fine w/ hoary [03:29] <EasterSunshine> hardw1re: while you are on the topic, my hde thru to hdh are scsi devices? cause i only have space for four ide devices (hda thru hdd i assume) [03:29] <hardw1re> yeah my SATA devices work fine with hoary, but they wont work until the hotplug system is booted [03:29] <T5-Steboyuk> how do i fix this then :(? [03:30] <hardw1re> so any of my sdx devices i cant mount until that module is loaded [03:30] <hardw1re> hmmm i honestly dont know, you need a driver to be installed before it trys to mount [03:30] <T5-Steboyuk> i have a shell to boot from [03:30] <hardw1re> is the os itself on the scsi drive? [03:30] <T5-Steboyuk> yes [03:31] <hardw1re> see if you can load the hotplug module [03:31] <hardw1re> and then try mounting any sdx devices again [03:31] <hardw1re> im only taking a stab in the dark here about the hotplug module [03:31] <hardw1re> cause i use sata [03:31] <hardw1re> which is hotplug enabled.... [03:31] <T5-Steboyuk> how do i start hotplug? [03:32] <T5-Steboyuk> modprobe hotplug? [03:32] <ixiz> EasterSunshine: ok I added this: PATH="/usr/local/j2sdk<ver>/bin":"${PATH}" that's right isn't it? [03:32] <hardw1re> dunno :| [03:32] <hardw1re> you can give it a try [03:32] <hardw1re> no [03:32] <Agamotto> I could be totally wrong here, but doesn't he need to compile his kernel with the SCSI controller module in it? [03:32] <hardw1re> ixiz: you need to remove the " at the very end [03:32] <steph> hey guys, im having a problem with Mp3 files, none of them want to play unless i use totem [03:32] <emRick> is there a way to find out if (and where) app XYZ is on my KDE menus? [03:32] <wickedpuppy> !mp3 [03:32] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support [03:32] <EasterSunshine> ixiz: yep [03:33] <hardw1re> oops i miss read what he'd done ;) [03:33] <vladuz976> how do you change the default applications like mail for instance? [03:33] <EasterSunshine> emRick: how vast are your kde menus? just look thru each submenu systematically [03:33] <hardw1re> T5-Steboyuk: any luck with loading that module? [03:33] <c0rrupt_> is it possible to convert a wepkey back into plain text? [03:33] <EasterSunshine> emRick: or go into the menu editor for a list [03:33] <T5-Steboyuk> modprobe hotplug don't work [03:33] <ixiz> doesen't work :/ [03:34] <EasterSunshine> ixiz: you will have to open a new shell i think, or restart for it to work... [03:34] <emRick> EasterSunshine: the menus are sufficiently vast ... would take ~5min to go through them. [03:34] <ixiz> EasterSunshine: I did [03:34] <qatsi> hello all !.....ive used gentoo for some time long ago. I remember theres a file where you just add the repositorie and then you run synaptic mannager so you have an updated system, but i really dont remember the file name, and the settings....is there an example i can follow ? [03:34] <EasterSunshine> ixiz: if you want it working right now, just do that same line in the shell [03:35] <EasterSunshine> ixiz: and if it still doesn't work, take the quotes off from "/usr/local/j2sdk<ver>/bin" [03:35] <steph> hey guys, im having a problem with Mp3 files, none of them want to play unless i use totem, and i do have gstreamer0.8-mad installed [03:35] <emRick> I was wondering where the KDE menu info is stored ... then I could just grep or find or something. [03:35] <T5-Steboyuk> anyone? [03:35] <EasterSunshine> ixiz: i'm not really a shell programmer, maybe someone else knows the technical aspects of updating teh path in .bash_profile [03:35] <qatsi> somehthing like package.source ? [03:35] <TaxMan> I wish to create an Ubuntu-Jetbrains IntelliJ IDEA livecd so I can use my favorite java IDE at school. How would I go about doing that? [03:35] <Flonne> qatsi, /etc/apt/sources.list, though Synaptic can edit that for you in most cases. [03:35] <ixiz> ok [03:35] <funkyHat> what does 'Hit <CR>' mean? (vim) [03:35] <EasterSunshine> emRick: #kde would know, but i would suggest the .kde folder under your home [03:35] <esac> i started using the nvidia driver (and xcomp btw). However all my font sizes seem to have increased considerably, any idea ? [03:35] <T5-Steboyuk> funkyHat: press enter [03:35] <zealot> is fr500 still around? [03:35] <wickedpuppy> funkyHat, that would be enter ... [03:36] <funkyHat> ok :) [03:36] <qatsi> Flonne ok, but the updates are there ? [03:36] <wickedpuppy> CR - Carriage Return [03:36] <Flonne> qatsi, what updates? [03:36] <titaniululz> anyone use netspeed? i can't get it to be transparent; it's solid and my taskbar is transparent so it looks ugly :( [03:36] <qatsi> Flonne system updates.....? [03:37] <steph> hey guys, im having a problem with Mp3 files, none of them want to play unless i use totem, and i do have gstreamer0.8-mad, and libmad0 installed [03:37] <hardw1re> ok T5-Steboyuk , i just did a cat /proc/modules, and found this sata_sil <- which relates to my sata chip, your gonna have to find the details of your scsi chip [03:37] <hardw1re> and find a corrisponding module [03:38] <hardw1re> like scsi_xxx [03:38] <qatsi> Flonne forget it, i think ive got it, i just uncomented all lines so i can have all files downloaded [03:38] <EasterSunshine> steph: did you look at the wiki page that ubotu referred you to? [03:38] <Flonne> Synaptic has three buttons in the left part of its toolbar. Clicking them in order will upgrade everything. [03:38] <steph> EasterSunshine, yes [03:39] <steph> EasterSunshine, ok it looks like music player is now working, but xmms still locks up when i hit play [03:39] <TaxMan> How do I make a livecd out of an ubuntu installation with all the stuff I need on the livecd? [03:39] <T5-Steboyuk> scsi_mod [03:39] <EasterSunshine> steph: catch crimsun, he's the channel sound guru [03:39] <titaniululz> anyone at all use Netspeed panel applet? [03:39] <T5-Steboyuk> hardw1re would scsi_mod be right? [03:39] <dhunter> hotplug is a daemon, is it not? Kernel notifies it of events and loads the modules [03:39] <qatsi> Flonne now its downloading :) thanx..... [03:39] <EasterSunshine> steph: check for multiple processes using the sound server [03:39] <zealot> how can I make a drive I have mounted as "/mnt/slave" appear as a drive letter in the desktop? [03:40] <EasterSunshine> zealot: make a softlink to it on your desktop and name it after a letter [03:40] <EasterSunshine> zealot: ln -s i think makes softlinks [03:40] <hardw1re> T5-Steboyuk: dunno... but did you do a default install, or did you type expert when you installed? [03:40] <steph> EasterSunshine, xmms has always given me trouble, its nothing new, and mp3's seem to be working after removing and reinstalling gstreamer0.8-mad, i must give this comp back to my wife, thanks for the help =) [03:40] <dhunter> Or just name it slave. [03:41] <hardw1re> cause if you install via the expert route then maybe you can get it to work straightaway [03:41] <T5-Steboyuk> default install [03:41] <zealot> eastersunshine: let me try [03:41] <bimberi> zealot: another way is to drag the icon from Places -> Computer onto the Desktop [03:41] <adriyel> theres an expert install for ubuntu? wtf? [03:41] <adriyel> oh, gstreamer. [03:41] <ixiz> ok this is trange, If I go out to my console and write java it finds the java compiler and the path woroks [03:41] <zealot> bimberi: that's part of the problem, that i don't have an icon there [03:41] <ixiz> but if I do it in a x-term it does not work?? [03:41] <EasterSunshine> adriyel: when booting from the cd, at the first prompt, typing expert will bring up the expert install i believe [03:42] <zealot> bimberi: but if i brownse to the /mnt folder, i can see it there [03:42] <bimberi> zealot: ah [03:42] <EasterSunshine> ixiz: in xterm, type ps|grep sh [03:42] <zealot> bimberi: know how to fix that? [03:42] <hardw1re> T5-Steboyuk: you can give it a shot, it might be sd_mod you need [03:42] <EasterSunshine> ixiz: and paste here if its one line [03:42] <lui> arzajac, how do I run lm-sensors? [03:42] <bimberi> zealot: no sorry - the icons usually appear for me :| [03:43] <ixiz> EasterSunshine: 11923 pts/3 00:00:00 bash [03:43] <Wanderer_> !Nickserv [03:43] <ubotu> Wanderer_: Not a clue [03:43] <T5-Steboyuk> ugh nein working :( [03:43] <Wanderer_> ? [03:43] <dhunter> zealot: do you have read, write permission on /mnt/slave ? [03:43] <zealot> dhunter: i should have both, i don't know yet [03:43] <zealot> dhunter: i'm still trying to properly mount it [03:44] <zealot> dhunter: it's a second hard drive, with 70 GBs of content [03:44] <wickedpuppy> Wanderer_, /msg nickserv help [03:44] <dhunter> zealot: What is the file system? [03:44] <Wanderer_> Oh! So you ARE going to help me? Wow. [03:44] <zealot> dhunter: how do you mean? [03:44] <EasterSunshine> ixiz: in the console, or whever it actually worked, type `which java`, if it points to corrent java in the correct directory, then i don't know, sry [03:45] <dhunter> ext2 dos or whatever? [03:45] <[Spooky] > Hello, i have moved my computer to a friend and he have a diffrent router than mee, and i cant get any connection with DHCP in Ubuntu, anyone have any idea ? [03:45] <sproingie> dhcp is dhcp ... does his router use dhcp? [03:46] <ixiz> EasterSunshine: lol yes it does come with the correct path, it works in the 'console' I mean when I press ctrl + alt + f1 that console [03:46] <tristanmike> cd /usr/X11R6/bin [03:46] <[Spooky] > sproingie yes [03:46] <T5-Steboyuk> i'll try with an expert install [03:46] <EasterSunshine> sproingie: there is more to it then that, i've had the same problem as well [03:46] <zealot> dhunter: it was a slave hard drive that i had under windows [03:46] <sproingie> what happens when you type ifup eth0? [03:46] <[Spooky] > dunno im in windows now... [03:47] <EasterSunshine> ixiz: if it still doesn't work at the next reboot, then maybe ask someone else, i might be missing something really obvious cause i'm new to linux [03:47] <sproingie> [Spooky] : and dhcp works in windows? [03:47] <[Spooky] > sproingie yes [03:47] <[Spooky] > but not in Ubuntu... [03:47] <zealot> dhunter: actually i don't seem to be able to even read from that drive [03:47] <dhunter> zealot: Was it found during install? [03:47] <sproingie> [Spooky] : and your nic is set up for dhcp on the linux side? [03:48] <zealot> dhunter: no, that's the problem [03:48] <[Spooky] > sp4ce yep [03:48] <zealot> dhunter: i was trying to mount it [03:48] <ixiz> EasterSunshine: ok [03:48] <LexiCon> has anyone installed a Yukon Gigabit network card and gotten it to work? [03:48] <zealot> dhunter: i can read from it, i just confirmed that [03:48] <sproingie> i'll assume that was to me ... [03:48] <LexiCon> it uses the sk98lin module, which is packed with the kernel [03:48] <Xappe> hmm, the update-notifier takes about 90% cpu on the very new breezy install on my ibook g3 [03:48] <dhunter> zealot: Ok was it windows 98 2000 xp? [03:48] <Kyral> then kill it and use Apt-Get :P [03:48] <zealot> dhunter: windows me [03:49] <sproingie> [Spooky] : is it wireless by any chance? [03:49] <zealot> dhunter: then i formatted the computer [03:49] <punkass> anyone here familiar with 855/915resolution? [03:49] <[Spooky] > sproingie no... [03:49] <zealot> dhunter: and installed linux from a fresh drive [03:49] <dhunter> zealot: with what [03:49] <Xappe> Kyral: yes, but how do I get it not to load at bootup? [03:49] <[Spooky] > do i have to re-install ubuntu ? [03:49] <zealot> dhunter: ubuntu's disk [03:49] <EasterSunshine> LexiCon: that was one hell of a specific question... [03:50] <zealot> dhunter: i cannot write on the drive, only read [03:50] <Kyral> sudo apt-get remove update-notifier :P [03:50] <zealot> dhunter: can you help me to mount it properly? [03:50] <Xappe> Kyral: ah, clever :) [03:50] <Kyral> then again, I just tear out Synaptic as soon as I install, so :P [03:50] <dhunter> zealot: yes [03:50] <sproingie> [Spooky] : i'd have to see what the output of ifup was [03:50] <zealot> dhunter: thx [03:50] <LexiCon> EasterSunshine: yes...lol....because it's supposed to work with the supplied module, but it doesn't...so I'm wondering if anyone else has gotten the Yukon card to work (its by Marvell) [03:51] <[Spooky] > sproingie is there any command for reget the dhcp info ? [03:51] <EasterSunshine> zealot: sudo mount /dev/hdwhatever /mount/point -t ntfs -o ro,umask=022 [03:51] <titaniululz> anyone else have a graphic glitch in ubuntu in the top left corner of their screen, about 24 pixels from the top of the screen? it's a 1 pixel thick horizonal bar, about 60 pixels long [03:51] <punkass> i am using 915resolution and when i run it it says i am at 1280x800 but the screen is actually bigger than my monitor [03:51] <sproingie> [Spooky] : on linux? just ifdown/ifup should do it [03:51] <dhunter> zealot: what command do you mount it with? [03:51] <EasterSunshine> zealot: if that doesn't work, try passing -t fat32 [03:51] <punkass> I have to use the mouse to slide the desktop around, if that makes any sense [03:51] <[Spooky] > sproingie lets try brb [03:51] <zealot> dhunter: hmm... not sure [03:51] <sproingie> [Spooky] : run ifup --verbose eth0 on the linux side, that should help point out where any problems are [03:52] <EasterSunshine> zealot: the fstab line /dev/hda1 /mnt/point/ ntfs ro,umask=022,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 [03:52] <Efwis> join #ubuntu-kernel [03:52] <Efwis> bah [03:52] <adriyel> theres a kernel channel for ubuntu? [03:52] <adriyel> wtf? [03:53] <dhunter> zealot: did you save data on this drive from windows? [03:53] <zealot> dhunter: yes [03:53] <zealot> eastersunshine: i'm trying that [03:53] <zealot> dhunter: i did it by adding a line of the fstab [03:54] <EasterSunshine> zealot: the fstab wont work until a reboot the sudo mount should work immediately [03:54] <punkass> sdf [03:54] <punkass> oops [03:54] <EasterSunshine> actually i think the fstab entry can be mounted by some command without haing to reboot... [03:54] <adriyel> sudo mount device mountpoint @ EasterSunshine [03:54] <sproingie> with mount [03:54] <FruitOfTheLoom> Hi [03:55] <sproingie> mount /mountpoint [03:55] <adriyel> why use fstab/reboot [03:55] <sproingie> if it's in the fstab, it'll figure everything else out [03:55] <zealot> eastersunshine: i tried the fstab and the sudo mount -a [03:55] <FruitOfTheLoom> I was just wondering if anyone here uses Irrlicht? [03:55] <dhunter> zealot: So the file system is vfat, do this [ mount -t vfat /mnt/slave [03:55] <EasterSunshine> dhunter: wait winme uses a different filesystem? [03:56] <sproingie> winme uses fat [03:56] <EasterSunshine> oh i thought it was ntfs [03:56] <dhunter> zealot: vfat [03:56] <user_> hi people [03:56] <EasterSunshine> zealot: sry, replace all ntfs's with vfat [03:56] <dhunter> ntfs is nt 2000, xp [03:56] <Agamotto> winme usually crashes if you try to use ntfs with it [03:56] <sjg> Agamotto, Winme usually crashes *fixed* [03:57] <sjg> :P [03:57] <sproingie> good reason, since it has no idea how to read ntfs [03:57] <zealot> dunter / eastersunshine: i get the help text when i try either command [03:57] <sproingie> winme is ... unfortunate [03:57] <sproingie> MS would probably prefer to forget that it ever existed [03:57] <TraceGreen> Hello, i want to add a boot splash to my system, apt-cache search bootspalsh, but don't find any. [03:57] <EasterSunshine> zealot: paste the command you enter [03:57] <EasterSunshine> zealot: if its one line, that is [03:57] <jon__> Whats a comand i can use to take a screenshot? [03:58] <FruitOfTheLoom> System->Take Screenshot [03:58] <user_> winme is ;-( [03:58] <jon__> Im not using gnomer, im using fluxbox [03:58] <FruitOfTheLoom> Does anyone use Anjunta? [03:58] <jon__> gnome [03:58] <zealot> eastersunshine: mount -t vfat /mnt/slave [03:58] <jorgp2> I have hoary installed, but I want to just download the breezy versions, is there a easy way to do this? [03:59] <dhunter> zealot: Corect me if Im wrong. You have two hard drives. [03:59] <jorgp2> I dont want to install them, just download them [03:59] <zealot> dhunter: correct [03:59] <zealot> dhunter: i installed linux on the first one (20 GB) and have another one with 80 GB [03:59] <Agamotto> Time to play some games.... [03:59] <jon__> Does anybody know a command to take a screenshot? [03:59] <EasterSunshine> zealot: `sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hdc1 /mnt/slave -o umask=022` [03:59] <EasterSunshine> zealot: replace hdc1 with the acutal partition you wnt [04:00] <dhunter> zealot: you have dir /mnt/slave ? you created with "mkdir /mnt/slave [04:00] <gdarel> anyone have a suggestion for video editing software? [04:00] <zealot> dhunter: yes [04:00] <user_> why am I grey in post ?; am I invisible ? [04:00] <zealot> dhunter: i can actually see the contents in that dir, but cannot write there [04:00] <zealot> eastersunshine: i got : mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or /mnt/slave busy [04:00] <zealot> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdb1 is already mounted on /mnt/slave [04:01] <lui> help! my xmms freezes when trying to play. [04:01] <EasterSunshine> zealot: so you can see the contents of the vfat partition, the problem is that you cannot write to that partition? [04:01] <zealot> if i browse in filesystem to /mnt/slave i can see the contents of the drive; i cannot write thoughh. [04:01] <jon__> Does anybody know a command to take a screenshot? [04:01] <mello6> don't use xmms =] [04:01] <mello6> Rhythmbox works swell. [04:01] <zealot> eastersunshine: i can see the contents only inside of the folder /mnt/slave [04:01] <mello6> just try to find some howtos on adding mp3 support to rhythmbox [04:02] <EasterSunshine> zealot: if vfat filesystem is safe to write, then try not passing -o ro [04:02] <zealot> eastersunshine: i cannot write there, neither can i see the drive as an icon [04:02] <tristanmike> yeah me too, rhythmbox suits my needs [04:02] <gdarel> anyone have a suggestion for video editing software? [04:02] <Xenguy> jon__: scrot is one [04:02] <lui> that's right mello6 , but its too big and doesn't have an eq [04:02] <jon__> Xenguy: ??? [04:02] <zealot> eastersunshine: i'm not sure i know what you mean [04:02] <EasterSunshine> zealot: if you want to see an icon on your desktop or something, i guess make a softlink to it using ln -s /target /softlink/location [04:03] <titaniululz> how do i restart the gnome panel? [04:03] <hardw1re> how much better is the 2.6.12-amd64-k8 kernel over the 2.6.11 / 2.6.10-5 ? [04:03] <Xenguy> jon__: apt-get install scrot [04:03] <EasterSunshine> zealot: do `cat /etc/mtab` and look at the line with /mnt/slave in it, paste it here, make sure you only paste one line [04:04] <Xenguy> jon__: ksnapshot is another [04:04] <EasterSunshine> and does anyone here know if vfat filesystems are safe to write to? [04:04] <zealot> eastersunshine: /dev/hdb1 /mnt/slave vfat rw 0 0 [04:04] <c0rrupt_> =-o [04:04] <user_> I am here but I am lost? [04:04] <Xenguy> jon__: scrot is command-line; ksnapshot is GUI [04:04] <_frank> EasterSunshine: of course you can write to vfat [04:04] <codecaine> EasterSunshine, yes [04:04] <jon__> Xenguy: Thanks, works great! [04:04] <hardw1re> reboot [04:04] <EasterSunshine> _frank, codecaine: and what umask should be passed to allow write? [04:05] <Xenguy> jon__: yw [04:05] <codecaine> EasterSunshine, it defaults to allow write [04:05] <EasterSunshine> codecaine: that's odd, this dude zealot is having trouble writing to a vfat mounted on /mnt/slave [04:05] <david__> hey folks [04:06] <codecaine> shouldnt [04:06] <zealot> eastersunshine: perhaps it was unproperly mounted [04:06] <titaniululz> anyone know how to restart gnome panel? [04:06] <david__> I'm a fairly nooby linux user, and am trying to install a modem onto my comp... [04:06] <dennis__> Hey guys [04:06] <zealot> eastersunshine: fs500 helped me mount it, and he thought i would likely have troubles writing [04:06] <codecaine> heres my fstab: /dev/hda2 /mnt/fat32 vfat defaults 0 0 [04:06] <dennis__> Anyone know what is up with this? [04:06] <dennis__> dennis@spartan:~$ sudo ./ati-driver-installer-8.16.20-i386.run [04:06] <dennis__> sudo: ./ati-driver-installer-8.16.20-i386.run: command not found [04:06] <dennis__> dennis@spartan:~$ ./ati-driver-installer-8.16.20-i386.run [04:06] <dennis__> bash: ./ati-driver-installer-8.16.20-i386.run: Permission denied [04:06] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell dennis__ about paste [04:07] <dennis__> ? [04:07] <dennis__> Dude [04:07] <dennis__> that was 4 lines [04:07] <codecaine> dennis__, chmod +x ati* [04:07] <dennis__> Hmm [04:07] <dennis__> Okay [04:07] <dennis__> Thanks [04:07] <david__> I need to konw how to install the ppp package [04:07] <jon__> Xenguy: Is there anyway i can ue scrot but not make a .png image but a .jpg image? [04:07] <david__> as mentioned here: http://quozl.linux.org.au/mm-5100/ [04:07] <EasterSunshine> codecaine: his mtab reads: /dev/hdb1 /mnt/slave vfat rw 0 0 [04:07] <dennis__> Thanks codecaine [04:07] <codecaine> yeup [04:08] <david__> also: hotplug, udev, and pppconfig [04:08] <david__> anyone know how to ? [04:08] <codecaine> EasterSunshine, same here [04:08] <user_> thou does not exist; therefore thou is nil [04:08] <EasterSunshine> codecaine: you have defaults, not rw, perhaps default includes a umask of 066 or something [04:08] <EasterSunshine> codecaine: or whatever, amybe i'm just being stupid [04:09] <codecaine> EasterSunshine, i have defaults for fstab not mtab [04:09] <EasterSunshine> ah, i WAS being stupid... [04:10] <david__> any help ? [04:10] <david__> I need to know how to check if ppp, hotplug, udev and pppconfig are installed [04:10] <david__> and if not, install them :P [04:11] <zealot> eastersunshine: perhaps it's not properly mounted? [04:11] <david__> never mind, got it :) [04:11] <reiki> if fetchmail is running in daemon mode for me... and I want to have it check mail like right now... if I type fetchmail I am simply told that the background fetchmail at 24743 was awakened. So... does that mean it checked mail or not? :) [04:12] <EasterSunshine> zealot: my knowlege ends here, sry [04:12] <EasterSunshine> zealot: wait for someone more experienced to roll in maybe [04:12] <zealot> eastersunshine: can we try unmounting it and mounting it from scratch? [04:13] <tristanmike> cd /etc [04:13] <EasterSunshine> zealot: sure [04:13] <zealot> eastersunshine: may i pm you? [04:13] <c0rrupt_> yes [04:13] <c0rrupt_> hit those corners [04:13] <EasterSunshine> zealot: i have food all over my fingers, i maay not repsomd [04:13] <codecaine> zealot, remove it from fstab, mtab and then just do #mount /dev/hd# /mnt/slave [04:13] <codecaine> make backup of *tabs though [04:14] <reiki> better to have fetchmail in daemon mode or run from a .crontab? [04:14] <zealot> codecaine: pls, what's the command to edit ftab again? [04:14] <codecaine> zealot, fstab? [04:14] <jon__> Does anybody know a command to take a screenshot? [04:14] <codecaine> just use any editor, use vim /etc/fstab [04:14] <EasterSunshine> zealot: sudo vi /etc/fstab [04:14] <mark__> hi i have a question about a dvd burner i am trying to get to work properly [04:14] <jon__> Does anybody know a command to take a screenshot? [04:15] <EasterSunshine> codecaine: remember he will need root permissions to save [04:15] <HrdwrBoB> jon__: gnome-screenshot [04:15] <ukato> hello, if i was going to switch to KDE and get rid of all gnome-related things, what would be the best way to do that? [04:15] <jon__> HrdwrBoB: I said command... I dont use gnome. [04:15] <EasterSunshine> ukato: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [04:15] <HrdwrBoB> jon__: that is a command. [04:15] <EasterSunshine> ukato: or just install kubuntu from the start [04:15] <mark__> basically i had a cdrw set up as the master on my ide interface, and now I have the dvdrw set up as the master and the cdrw on the same interface, but as slave [04:16] <zealot> eastersunshine: how do i save? [04:16] <ukato> eastersunshine, okay, thank you. would that remove all GNOME stuff as well? [04:16] <EasterSunshine> ukato: apt-get install wil not remove anything [04:16] <Yukinoroh> hello [04:17] <EasterSunshine> ukato: yoyu have to remove gnome packages manully [04:17] <HrdwrBoB> jon__: import -window root file.jpg will do it without interaction though [04:17] <Yukinoroh> anyone know if ubuntu-ja is sjis-based, euc-based or utf8-based ? [04:17] <mark__> now my dvd is coming up as /dev/hdc and cdrw is /dev/hdd, but i think i need to edit my fstab and stuff, because the dvd is coming up as /media/cdrom, and /media/dvd is not recognized [04:17] <ukato> eastersunshine, so just go through synaptic and get rid of it that way? [04:17] <zealot> eastersunshine: sorry, how do i save? [04:17] <zaphands> Hi all. I have a problem. I can't configure 2 network adapters to work together. They work perfectly one at the time. [04:18] <bob2> you need to provide a lot more detail if you want help [04:18] <bob2> a whole lot [04:18] <bob2> at a guess, did you accidentally give both a default gateway? [04:18] <zaphands> yes. but it doesn't help to remove them. [04:18] <EasterSunshine> ukato: yes, do it carefully though [04:18] <codecaine> HrdwrBoB, what package has import cmd? [04:19] <bob2> giving both a default gateway is meaningless [04:19] <bob2> paste your /etc/network/interfaces to #flood [04:19] <EasterSunshine> ukato: and you may want to chasnge the default welcome scrn too [04:19] <mark__> I can play dvds, but it's real sporadic, and I sometime get errors that dvd:/ has no plugin setup for it or something like that [04:19] <mark__> dont know if anyone could help, but id sure appreciate it [04:19] <bz0b> can someone please help me? [04:20] <zealot> can someone tell me how do i exit the editor after the "sudo vi /etc/fstab" command? i made the change i needed [04:20] <bob2> bz0b: you need to ask a question... [04:20] <bob2> zealot: :wq [04:20] <c0rrupt_> bzob! [04:20] <codecaine> bob2, why is your name greyed out in #flood? [04:20] <c0rrupt_> ask me nigga [04:20] <bob2> codecaine: I don't use xchat, so I don't know [04:20] <zealot> bob2 thanks [04:20] <zaphands> bob2: done. [04:20] <bob2> c0rrupt_: come on dude [04:21] <ukato> eastersunshine, so just deleting everything with 'gnome' in it's name would be a bad idea [04:21] <codecaine> ukato, i wouldn't do it [04:21] <bob2> zaphands: and what isn't working? [04:21] <EasterSunshine> zealot: saving in vim is hit escape then :w, and to quit it is :q [04:21] <bz0b> bob2: well I just bought an dwl-g650 rev b5 wifi card, and I just installed kubuntu, and like after all the apt-get upgrading, and after upating the cvs, I see my wireless card on the lspci, but when I type in modprobe ath_pci nothing happens [04:22] <zaphands> bob2: i have to disable one of the interface for the internet to work. [04:22] <bob2> lspci doesn't tell you anything about whether the card is supported or not [04:22] <zaphands> bob2: using `ifdown eth1` for example. [04:22] <titaniululz> hell yes i recompiled netspeed and it's transparent now :) [04:22] <EasterSunshine> ukato: some gnome pacakges are critical to keeping your system [04:22] <Flonne> bz0b, are you sure it's a 650 and not a 650+? [04:22] <bob2> zaphands: and what is that machine supposed to do? [04:22] <bz0b> Flonne: yes [04:22] <bz0b> its a 650 rev b5 [04:22] <EasterSunshine> ukato: basically, the ones that take out ubuntu-base with em, or the ones that take out like five million other pacakges [04:22] <bz0b> g650 [04:22] <bob2> zaphands: your setup is rather odd [04:23] <EasterSunshine> ukato: those are the ones you don't want to remove [04:23] <ukato> hm [04:23] <ukato> alright [04:23] <yaru22> hey guys [04:23] <ukato> maybe i'll just get kubuntu [04:23] <ukato> thanks [04:23] <bz0b> i had the g630, and it didnt work so I exchanged it for a g650 [04:23] <ironmc> anyone know why I am getting a "cannot unlock drive" error message from K3b? same on DVD and CD writers [04:23] <zealot> codecaine/eastersunshine: i edited the fstab removing the reference to hdb1 which was linkning to /mnt/slave and tried the "mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/slave" command and got the message that hdb1 is already mounted [04:23] <zaphands> bob2: eth0- connected to modem. eth1- connected to Lan (router). not sharing internet connection. [04:23] <EasterSunshine> ukato: but if you are really a kder and want to remove gnome all the way, kubuntu is the distro you are looking for [04:23] <codecaine> zealot, umount /mnt/slave [04:23] <codecaine> zealot, sudo umount /mnt/slave [04:23] <bz0b> bob2: I think I am getting a HAL 13 error, for unsupported hardware [04:24] <bz0b> bob2: but so many people seem to have success with the g650 [04:24] <ukato> eastersunshine, mmk [04:24] <bz0b> why can't I? [04:24] <bob2> zaphands: er, so why does eth1 have a gateway configured? [04:24] <ukato> dunno yet, gonna try it [04:24] <EasterSunshine> zealot: removing an entry from fstab will not unmount it, you need to do the command codecaine gave you [04:24] <bob2> bz0b: if you installed crap from cvs, you've broken things already [04:24] <zealot> codecaine: ok, i unmounted and mounted with "mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/slave" ... what should i do now? [04:24] <c0rrupt_> bz0b you noober [04:24] <codecaine> go to /mnt/slave [04:24] <codecaine> see if u can write [04:24] <zealot> ok [04:25] <bz0b> bob2: oh well it didnt pick it up before [04:25] <bz0b> bob2: and that is what it said to do on the madwifi site [04:25] <zaphands> bob2: I also tried to remove it using `ip route del defualt` and it didn't work. [04:25] <EasterSunshine> bash is so nice...if i ask it to `touch me` it does so without complaining [04:25] <bob2> bz0b: "pick it up"? installing drivers from cvs will not change lspci output, if that's what you mean. [04:25] <bz0b> i have the 2.6.10-5-386 kernel [04:25] <ukato> gnome will fall apart on me if i get rid of its packages while it's running, right [04:25] <bob2> ignore lspci entirely [04:25] <bz0b> bob2: ok [04:25] <bz0b> bob2: what can I do? [04:25] <bob2> zaphands: get rid of the gateway line, take both down and bring them up again [04:26] <c0rrupt_> bz0b! [04:26] <bob2> bz0b: undo whatever you did [04:26] <c0rrupt_> what did you do? [04:26] <c0rrupt_> rofl [04:26] <zaphands> bob2: brb [04:26] <bob2> c0rrupt_: can you stop being so annoying? [04:26] <bz0b> how do I undo a cvs [04:26] <c0rrupt_> i know bz0b [04:26] <bz0b> c0rrupt_: shut up cracker! [04:26] <bz0b> c0rrupt_: hehe [04:26] <zealot> codecaine: i got an access denied message [04:26] <EasterSunshine> bob2: cvs installs will break my system? then how would you recommend getting a fast cedega? [04:27] <bz0b> c0rrupt_: hey c0rrupt_ let me install skype, and we will talk [04:27] <c0rrupt_> you reformated? [04:27] <evilbulgarian> hi, im trying to patch kernel with reiser4 and there are 2 patches under reiser4-for-2.6/2.6.12/ one is reiser-4-for-2.6.12-3.patch.gz one is reiser4-for-2.6.12-realtime-preempt-2.6.12-final-V0.7.51-29.patch.gz which one should i use? [04:27] <codecaine> zealot, do ls -l /mnt/slave and tell me what it says [04:27] <bz0b> c0rrupt_: yeah, to have both xp and kubuntu [04:27] <zealot> ok [04:27] <bz0b> rofl [04:27] <bz0b> I can crack my router on xp but not on linux, how sad [04:27] <bob2> EasterSunshine: I didn't say that [04:27] <Loudambiance> I was looking for help as to why my livecd boot hangs after it loads the kernel image [04:28] <EasterSunshine> zealot: lolol!! try `sudo touch me` under the mounted slave: it will say permission denied hahah! [04:28] <bob2> EasterSunshine: installing random drivers from cvs to /lib/ can break things, tho [04:28] <zealot> codecaine: it shows the contents of the root folder of the second hard drive [04:28] <codecaine> zealot, sorry do "ls -l /mnt" [04:28] <codecaine> tell me what slave has [04:28] <bz0b> bob2: would you mind telling me how to uninstall something that I installed with cvs? [04:28] <codecaine> zealot, sorry do "ls -l /mnt | grep slave" [04:28] <EasterSunshine> bob2: ah, i thought you were saying about alll cvs [04:29] <zealot> codecaine: drwxr-xr-x 43 root root 98304 1969-12-31 19:00 slave [04:29] <codecaine> zealot, ok thats the problem [04:29] <zealot> ;) [04:29] <zaphands> bob2: done. but now I can't ping the local network. [04:29] <EasterSunshine> codecaine: woudn't umask fix it up? [04:29] <codecaine> EasterSunshine, yeah [04:30] <EasterSunshine> codecaine: omg i was acutally right for a change. i am never right, i'm always wrong!! ^_^ [04:30] <Loudambiance> is the radeon x800 livecd 5.0.4 compatiable [04:30] <zealot> eastersunshine/codecaine: how should i umask it? [04:30] <bz0b> c0rrupt_: get your butt on skizzipe [04:31] <codecaine> zealot, /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat auto,ro,umask=0222 0 0 [04:31] <bz0b> eww [04:31] <c0rrupt_> im goin to take a shower [04:31] <c0rrupt_> when i get back ill get on [04:31] <EasterSunshine> zealot: unmount it, and then in the fstab, where it says default, replace default with auto,rw,umask=0222 [04:31] <bz0b> codecaine: use captive-ntfs or lufis [04:31] <codecaine> bz0b, he's not using ntfs [04:31] <bz0b> codecaine: oh [04:31] <bz0b> eww [04:31] <EasterSunshine> codecaine: ro? that is read-only [04:32] <codecaine> it works though [04:32] <EasterSunshine> ok...listen to codecaine, zealot, he knows what he is doing [04:32] <zealot> codecaine: i got /dev/hda1 permission denied [04:32] <EasterSunshine> nvm [04:32] <codecaine> zealot, you are suppose to change your mounts to what you really have bud [04:32] <zaphands> bob2: I can't seem to ping anything on eth1... [04:32] <bob2> zaphands: paste your /etc/network/interfaces again [04:33] <bob2> bz0b: there is no general way [04:33] <bz0b> bob2: well then what do you want me to do? reformatt? [04:33] <bob2> no [04:33] <dhunter> zealot: easy look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnomeComputerMenu [04:33] <bz0b> damn, I was hoping to do some aircracking! [04:33] <zealot> codecaine: this is what i typed and what i got: /dev/hdb1 /mnt/slave vfat auto,ro,umask=0222 0 0 bash: /dev/hdb1: Permission denied [04:33] <bob2> do whatever you want, but in future, don't do such silly things [04:33] <codecaine> zealot, you gotta put that in your fstab bud [04:33] <zaphands> bob2:done. [04:34] <zealot> codecaine: ok, let me try [04:34] <bz0b> bob2: sorry if i am not as guru as you [04:34] <codecaine> zealot, remove any entries that you already have for /mnt/slave [04:34] <bob2> zaphands: can you ping 192.1681.1.52? [04:34] <zealot> codecaine: ok, trying now [04:34] <bob2> bz0b: that's not at all what I'm talking about [04:34] <dhunter> zealot: easy look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnomeComputerMenu [04:34] <codecaine> zealot, change ro to rw because i was using ntfs and thats why i did ro [04:35] <zaphands> bob2: yes. but all the rest are unreachable. [04:35] <EasterSunshine> dhunter: thats an ntfs, it mounts ro [04:35] <bob2> zaphands: ping says that? [04:35] <bz0b> bob2: I know, but I wish I knew about this stuff as much as you, what would you recommend me doing to be as knowledgeable as you? [04:35] <EasterSunshine> dhunter: we are mounting a rw [04:35] <zaphands> bob2: From 192.168.1.52 icmp_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable [04:36] <bob2> zaphands: what does "ip route" say? [04:36] <dhunter> zealot: just change that. [04:36] <zaphands> bob2: on #flood [04:36] <EasterSunshine> what encoding does ubuntu store my korean reggae filenames in? utf-8? and what would winxp store it in on ntfs? [04:37] <bz0b> wow there is a channel for flooding? [04:37] <bz0b> heh [04:37] <codecaine> EasterSunshine, korean reggae eww hah :) [04:37] <Loudambiance> ok wiki stops at radeon x700, with the drivers for the x700 and x800 being the same, what would cause it not to work? [04:38] <EasterSunshine> codecaine: man if you heard that stuff, you'd keep a lot of it on your disk [04:38] <codecaine> EasterSunshine, send me something [04:38] <EasterSunshine> codecaine: i'm behind an evil router that wont let me send via dcc [04:38] <shamus> Hi, i'm trying to install ati drivers for my card.. I downloaded the driver itslef and their driver installer. The driver installer is a .run file, what do I do with that? [04:38] <EasterSunshine> codecaine: plus, i actually support the band, i would request you to buy their cds [04:39] <robotgeek> okay...does anyone know why upgrading to breezy made the "resize" command go away? [04:39] <dhunter> zealot: Are you ok now [04:39] <bob2> shamus: ignore it, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto [04:39] <shamus> thank you [04:39] <bob2> zaphands: very odd [04:40] <zealot> dhunter/codecaine: was still trying [04:40] <bz0b> darnit [04:40] <glick> hey is thunderbird better than evolution? [04:41] <bz0b> glick: oh yeah! [04:41] <bz0b> glick: it owns [04:41] <glick> there is just something about evolution that i dont like [04:41] <bz0b> glick: IT OWNZ! [04:41] <morbidi> lol [04:41] <Yukinoroh> how often software is updated with ubuntu ? [04:41] <bz0b> hee [04:41] <glick> i cant put my finger on it [04:41] <codecaine> quicker [04:41] <P8ntKid> Is there anyway i can change the time zone for ubuntu? [04:41] <bz0b> P8ntKid: yes [04:41] <glick> bz0b, are you being sarcastic or you for real? [04:41] <P8ntKid> bz0b, How? [04:41] <bz0b> glick: no im for real [04:41] <zealot> codecaine: do i need to do anything else after modifying the fstab [04:41] <bz0b> P8ntKid: double click on the time [04:42] <bz0b> P8ntKid: and it should allow you to change the timezone somewhere in there, look around [04:42] <codecaine> umount /mnt/slave [04:42] <EasterSunshine> zealot: unomunt and remount [04:42] <nate_> Grr having problems installing Java........ [04:42] <nate_> With the ubuntu guide. [04:42] <P8ntKid> bz0b, Im not using gnome, is there a command i can use? [04:42] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell nate_ about ubuntuguide [04:42] <bz0b> P8ntKid: what are you using? [04:42] <zaphands> bob2: will `ifconfig` output help? [04:42] <regeya_> way after the fact, and way after someone asked the question: Thunderbird sucks as a calendaring app.\ [04:42] <P8ntKid> bz0b, FluxBox [04:42] <EasterSunshine> nate_: you should be using the wiki [04:42] <bz0b> P8ntKid: nevermind, I don't know sorry :-( [04:43] <P8ntKid> Is there anyway i can change the time zone for ubuntu? [04:43] <nate_> So I figure, uh do you know of a java.deb file to download? [04:43] <bz0b> hehe [04:43] <P8ntKid> nate_ I have one. [04:43] <bz0b> eww [04:43] <nate_> Could you send it please? [04:43] <P8ntKid> nate_, I have one [04:43] <bob2> zaphands: no [04:43] <P8ntKid> nate_, Yes, let me find it [04:44] <bz0b> fedora whore blows! [04:44] <bob2> nate_: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [04:44] <codecaine> bz0b, you're ignorant and irrogant [04:44] <codecaine> spell check? [04:44] <P8ntKid> nate_, ftp://ftp2.caliu.info/backports/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb [04:44] <zealot> codecaine: dammit, i got access denied again [04:44] <robotgeek> P8ntKid: run tzconfig [04:44] <P8ntKid> nate_, Do you know how to install it? [04:44] <dennis__> Can someone here help me install and get OpenGL working? [04:44] <bz0b> codecaine: i purposely spelled it that way, to point out how much I dislike fedora core [04:45] <nate_> Yeah. [04:45] <dennis__> I have an ati 9600xt gpu [04:45] <zealot> codecaine: this is what i typed: /dev/hdb1 /mnt/slave vfat auto,rw,umask=0222 0 0 [04:45] <codecaine> bz0b, no i meant spell check on what i said [04:45] <nate_> P8ntKid, I love you. [04:45] <zealot> on the last line of the fstab [04:45] <bob2> dennis__: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto [04:45] <nate_> I was looking for it earlier for over an hour. [04:45] <codecaine> zealot, thats in fstab [04:45] <codecaine> ok [04:45] <dhunter> zealot: umask aint going to help your situation. the user you are trying to write to the disk with needs to have write access. try writing to it as root? or change ownership [04:45] <P8ntKid> nate_, Its ok, i had the same problem earlier today, i searched for hours [04:45] <zealot> codecaine: yes, that was in fstab [04:45] <bob2> dennis__: and you already have GL support, you mean "Can someone help me install the ATI binary drivers." [04:45] <zealot> codecaine: last line of fstab [04:45] <bz0b> codecaine: yeah, i was gonna say, its spelled arrogant [04:45] <dennis__> Yeah [04:46] <nate_> THANK YOU SOOOOOOOO MUCH P8ntKid! [04:46] <yaru22> what kind of tools are you using when programming? [04:46] <EasterSunshine> zealot: and if you do `sudo touch me` in the folder where it is mounted, you still permission denied? [04:46] <zaphands> bob2: the router is using DHCP. should I reconfigure both the interfaces to work with DHCP? [04:46] <P8ntKid> nate_, <3 [04:46] <nate_> :D [04:46] <EasterSunshine> argh, no one loves me [04:46] <dgibb> hi guys. According to the unofficial guide to ubuntu, there [04:46] <nate_> LOL, okay [04:47] <tristanmike> I love you [04:47] <zealot> eastersunshine: how do i do it in the folder? [04:47] <bob2> zaphands: no [04:47] <dgibb> there's a azureus package, but I can't find one. Do I need a special source line? [04:47] <EasterSunshine> zealot: cd into the folder [04:47] <bob2> zaphands: using neither would be better, if possible [04:47] <codecaine> zealot, try sudo chmod +x /mnt/slave [04:47] <codecaine> or no [04:47] <EasterSunshine> zealot: and once you are in, `sudo touch me` [04:47] <punkass> anyone familiar with 855/915resolution [04:47] <codecaine> zealot, sudo chmod +w /mnt/slave [04:47] <shamus> bob2, wiki.ubuntu.com could not be found, says firefox [04:47] <shamus> i know that's wrong, since i've used that before... but [04:47] <shamus> is ubuntu.org down for everyone? I can't get any page to open up [04:47] <zaphands> bob2: not possible. [04:47] <punkass> trying to get 1280x800 on my laptop [04:48] <tristanmike> dgibb, I assume you've edited your sources.list [04:48] <EasterSunshine> shamus: ubuntulinux.org [04:48] <punkass> so far it says i am at 1280 but the resolution is actually bigger then the monitor [04:48] <zealot> eastersunshine/codecaine: i tried both. didn't give me an error [04:48] <zealot> eastersunshine/codecaine: just the command line again [04:48] <punkass> so i have to move my mouse around to see the whole desktop [04:48] <EasterSunshine> wait tristanmike...you said you love me? [04:48] <punkass> any ideas? [04:48] <dgibb> tristanmike: well, I uncommented some of the universe lines [04:48] <P8ntKid> I have my timeszones set correctly but my clock i 4 hour behind [04:48] <kevinrose> hello [04:48] <tristanmike> EasterSunshine, yeah, sure [04:48] <sjg> punkass, 1280x800 worked out of the box on my laptop [04:49] <EasterSunshine> codecaine: sudo touch me worked for him...he needs to set uid and gid maybe [04:49] <bob2> punkass: you will need to fiddle, look through the wiki [04:49] <tristanmike> there's enough love to go around [04:49] <tristanmike> :) [04:49] <EasterSunshine> tristanmike: <3 [04:49] <dhunter> ugh [04:49] <codecaine> whoa [04:49] <bz0b> bob2: you said my issue was easily fixable? [04:49] <codecaine> this is ubuntu not iloveyou [04:49] <punkass> bob2: ok..the xorg.conf file was setup perfect on install but its still comin up 1024 [04:50] <P8ntKid> My clock i et to local time, but i want it to be et at universal time, how can i do that? [04:50] <Em`Zee> Is there a way to run dual sessions on dual monitors with 1 Ubuntu machine? [04:50] <Em`Zee> like 2 video cards, 2 monitors, and 2 seperate sessions? [04:50] <zaphands> bob2: NOOOO... the cable was unplugged!! time to go to sleep :-) [04:50] <tristanmike> dgibb, as explained here...https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto?action=show&redirect=HowToEnableTheMultiverseRepositoryInUbuntu [04:50] <codecaine> zealot, sudo chmod -R +x /mnt/slave [04:50] <bob2> bz0b: yes, by not running off and doing random things [04:50] <codecaine> dammit [04:50] <bob2> zaphands: hah [04:50] <bz0b> bob2: sorry [04:50] <codecaine> zealot, sudo chmod -R +w /mnt/slave [04:50] <bob2> punkass: then it's not "perfect" ;) [04:50] <sjg> zaphands, /Khan voice,...NOOOOOOOOOO! [04:50] <JumpManJr> Hey what kernel is ubuntu using? [04:50] <P8ntKid> My clock is set to local time, but i want it to be set at universal time, how can i do that? [04:50] <adriyel> typically [04:50] <Em`Zee> 2.6.10-5 [04:51] <bz0b> bob2: ok, anyways, in #flood you said it was easly fixable, could you maybe help me please? [04:51] <adriyel> 2.6.10 [04:51] <JumpManJr> Thanks [04:51] <bob2> bz0b: if you'd googled to begin with, you'd be done by now. what model is it? [04:51] <JumpManJr> :-) [04:51] <bob2> bz0b: just be quiet for ten seconds [04:51] <bz0b> dwl g650 [04:51] <bz0b> bob2: ok [04:51] <punkass> bob2..true enough..its the new 915GM chipset..so i am not sure what the support is like for it [04:51] <dgibb> will look into it, thanks [04:51] <bz0b> rev b5 [04:51] <bob2> punkass: find aside from autodetection, aiui [04:51] <tristanmike> no prob [04:51] <Em`Zee> Can anyone help me? =) [04:51] <P8ntKid> My clock is set to local time, but i want it to be set at universal time, how can i do that? [04:51] <bob2> Em`Zee: it's called multiseat. google. [04:52] <punkass> bob2: huh? [04:52] <dhunter> zealot: What user do you want to write to the drive? [04:52] <bob2> P8ntKid: edit /etc/default/rcS [04:52] <Em`Zee> bob2; Ah thank you =) [04:52] <bob2> punkass: "fine" [04:52] <bluefoxicy> OOo2 in breezy still doesn't spellcheck [04:52] <bluefoxicy> anyone else have this problem [04:52] <zealot> codecaine: nothing happened [04:52] <P8ntKid> /ect/default/rcS [04:52] <zealot> dhunter: i don't understand... myself, i'm the only user [04:52] <bob2> bluefoxicy: if they had, they would have reported a bug. [04:52] <EasterSunshine> zealot: go back in and try to write in it [04:52] <bluefoxicy> bob2: i've seen it mentioned on ubuntu-users@ [04:52] <EasterSunshine> zealot: after you did the chmod, it changes the write permissions [04:53] <zealot> eastersunshine: you so not have permission to write in this folder [04:53] <punkass> bob2: ah...well as said it set up xorg.conf up to run 1280x800 etc..so it must have recognized the chip [04:53] <bob2> bluefoxicy: then file a bug already [04:53] <dennis__> bob2, I followed the directions on that page [04:53] <zealot> eastersunshine: when I wrote the command, the prompt dissapeared [04:53] <dennis__> And fglrxinfo still didn't output the right thing [04:53] <dennis__> :/ [04:53] <adriyel> an ATI card @ dennis? [04:53] <dennis__> Yes [04:53] <adriyel> yeowch. [04:53] <P8ntKid> bob2, That file doesnt exist [04:53] <dennis__> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org [04:53] <dennis__> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect [04:53] <dennis__> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1) [04:53] <bluefoxicy> bob2: 8333 [04:53] <dhunter> zealot: chown -R zealot /mnt/slave [04:53] <EasterSunshine> zealot: wow...you still can't write in it? [04:53] <adriyel> I'll stick with my 6800GT, kthx. [04:53] <P8ntKid> rox [04:53] <punkass> bob2: maybe its something wierd Acer does [04:53] <dennis__> Buy me one and I will to [04:53] <dennis__> :( [04:54] <adriyel> lol [04:54] <bluefoxicy> fixed the directory in 1.9.79.2-0ubuntu2, although we still depend on the the [04:54] <bluefoxicy> OO.o1 installation. that's post hoary [04:54] <bob2> punkass: yes, it does [04:54] <adriyel> I am upgrading soon [04:54] <bob2> bah [04:54] <bluefoxicy> wow. [04:54] <codecaine> dhunter, if that don't work im lost [04:54] <adriyel> want to buy it? [04:54] <bob2> P8ntKid: yes it does [04:54] <zealot> eastersunshine: nope :( [04:54] <bluefoxicy> OOo1 must be installed for OOo2 to work. [04:54] <dhunter> zealot: sorry "sudo lot /mnt/slave" [04:54] <bob2> bluefoxicy: there you go then [04:54] <adriyel> methinks Imma buying a 7800GT [04:54] <EasterSunshine> zealot: do dhunter's chown command [04:54] <adriyel> no wait [04:54] <adriyel> 7800GTX [04:54] <P8ntKid> bob2, Yes, im orry, i typed it in wrong. [04:54] <codecaine> zealot, sudo chown -R +w /mnt/slave [04:54] <EasterSunshine> zealot: then cd into the directory, and do `touch me` [04:54] <zealot> ok [04:54] <bluefoxicy> bob2: or I could just make a symlink; but no way in HELL am I touching that because dpkg will wreck some files when somebody actually fixes the problem. [04:54] <dracflamloc> hi all [04:54] <P8ntKid> bob2, lol my S key doesnt work to well [04:54] <EasterSunshine> codecaine: chown is change owner, chmod is change modes [04:54] <codecaine> yeup [04:55] <dhunter> zealot: no, good god. [04:55] <zealot> eastersunshine/dhunter/codecaine: chown: invalid option -- r [04:55] <dennis__> Can I get some help in #ati [04:55] <dennis__> :o [04:55] <bluefoxicy> (I've noticed dpkg fucks up rather spectacularly with symlinks a lot; QED breezy development cycle Xorg changes) [04:55] <dracflamloc> i have installed ubuntu on my laptop (hp zv5260us), and everything is great except for my touchpad doesnt work =( [04:55] <dhunter> yes [04:55] <codecaine> -R [04:55] <P8ntKid> bob2, What part do i need to edit? [04:55] <EasterSunshine> should we open a new channel for zealot? [04:55] <bob2> P8ntKid: read it [04:55] <bluefoxicy> well [04:55] <bluefoxicy> rather, postinstall scripts [04:55] <bob2> that's not what "QED" means [04:55] <bluefoxicy> quo edta demonstratum [04:55] <bluefoxicy> as is demonstrated [04:56] <dhunter> zealot: lol [04:56] <EasterSunshine> bluefoxicy: in math class, we make fun of it, we say "quite easily done" [04:56] <zealot> dhunter: chown: `+w': invalid user [04:56] <bluefoxicy> EasterSunshine: heh [04:56] <tutbon> I'm pulling my hair out with the kernel panic after the security update as described in bug 13155. Is there a reliable workaround? [04:56] <dennis__> Can I get some help in #ati plz? [04:56] <JumpManJr> Installing Ubuntu for the first time. 3 hard drives first drive is only 2.1 gig and this needs to be boot drive. Next drive is 6.4 gig and can't be boot drive (Don't ask) I have 3rd drive 1 gig I'm using for swap. So is 1st drive mounted at /boot second drive mounted at / correct? [04:56] <zealot> :) bear with me guys, first time ever using linux :) [04:56] <bluefoxicy> oh man [04:56] <bluefoxicy> when I got ubuntu installed [04:56] <bob2> dennis__: where did you describe your problem here? [04:56] <bluefoxicy> my menus and text and crap were all boxes [04:56] <dennis__> above [04:57] <dennis__> :o [04:57] <bluefoxicy> I didn't know what the hell was going on, then I realized I had to install a language pack [04:57] <MrBiscuit> Does anyone here use Linuxant? [04:57] <bz0b> bob2: have a second for me? [04:57] <bob2> JumpManJr: don't bother putting /boot anywhere special [04:57] <bob2> JumpManJr: put / on the first disk [04:57] <bob2> bz0b: just be quiet [04:57] <EasterSunshine> zealot: `chown -R zealot /mnt/slave` reaplce zealot with youer username [04:57] <bz0b> bob2: ok [04:57] <dhunter> zealot: no, "sudo chown -R zealot /mnt/slave" thats all [04:57] <JumpManJr> bob2 ok what do I put on second dirve? [04:57] <bob2> I'm doing your job by finding the answer on google [04:57] <bob2> JumpManJr: /home or something [04:57] <dennis__> bob2, I followed the instructions on that page and still get the same output for flgrxinfo [04:57] <dennis__> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org [04:57] <dennis__> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect [04:57] <dennis__> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1) [04:57] <bz0b> bob2: :-) [04:57] <EasterSunshine> zealot: yes with the sudo as dhunter indicated [04:57] <JumpManJr> not enough room for var on first drive when I do that bob2? [04:57] <bob2> dennis__: then go back and do it again [04:57] <MrBiscuit> Does anyone have or ever used or even heard of linuxant? [04:58] <bob2> JumpManJr: yes there is, a base install is 1.8GB, including /var being full of crap [04:58] <zealot> ok, something's happening [04:58] <JumpManJr> Should I make another partition on drive 2 for var? [04:58] <bob2> MrBiscuit: they make non-free modem drivers [04:58] <codecaine> MrBiscuit, yes it cost money! [04:58] <regeya> MrBiscuit: yes, and run away, far away, as fast as you can [04:58] <johntramp> MrBiscuit, the winmodem drivers? [04:58] <JumpManJr> bob2. I ran through it and got an error. [04:58] <codecaine> MrBiscuit, they made wireless drivers too [04:58] <JumpManJr> Said I needed 400 gig more for var. [04:58] <dennis__> bob2, what do you mean do it again? [04:58] <JumpManJr> mutter. [04:58] <bob2> JumpManJr: are you sure it's really 2.1GB? [04:58] <dhunter> zealot: then "chmod -R 755 /mnt/slave" [04:58] <MrBiscuit> Yes, but they do make ways around it [04:58] <bob2> dennis__: read the page again, and do it over. then do it again. [04:58] <zealot> dhunter/sunshine: it's trying to do it on every single file and says "operation not permitted" [04:58] <dennis__> :/ [04:58] <zealot> dhunter/sunshine: it's still trying on every single file [04:58] <sentinel> hmm, for some reason apt-get is throwing up errors when trying to do apt-get install webmin.. all sorts of garble like /etc/webmin/webmin.acl: No such file or directory.. eventually exiting with E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [04:59] <EasterSunshine> zealot: are you sure you included sudo? [04:59] <sentinel> anyone know how I could sort that out? [04:59] <JumpManJr> Got partition table up right now it says 2.1 GB... [04:59] <MrBiscuit> When i try to compile the tar.gz version of the linuxant driver with my kernel source, it says "Undefined NO_IRQS" Or NO_IRQS_VECTORS, can anyone tell me how to fix that [04:59] <bob2> MrBiscuit: you need to talk to the linuxant people [04:59] <JumpManJr> If I go through it... I get message saying there isn't enough room in var. [04:59] <EasterSunshine> dhunter: i think it would be easier if he set uid and gid in fstab so he wouldn't have to rechown and rechmod it each time [04:59] <bob2> MrBiscuit: bear in mind no one but them can fix their drivers [04:59] <bob2> JumpManJr: well, try putting /var on the other disk then [05:00] <codecaine> EasterSunshine, that would work most likely [05:00] <bob2> 2.1 is plenty, tho [05:00] <JumpManJr> So I'll put /var on 6.4 gig on 2nd drive as well as /home. OK how much room am I going to need for var? [05:00] <P8ntKid> bob2, I still dont know wich one to edit [05:00] <Pimpachu> How can I get the CVS ISO of Ubuntu? [05:00] <adriyel> why do you need seperate partitions for everything? [05:00] <dhunter> EasterSunshine, he wont have to [05:00] <codecaine> adriyel, you dont [05:00] <bob2> bz0b: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38972&page=1 [05:00] <codecaine> adriyel, just swap and / [05:00] <bob2> Pimpachu: there isn't any such thing [05:01] <zealot> eastersunshine: yes, i included the sudo. i tried again.. i t tells me operation not permitted when it tries every file [05:01] <sentinel> hmm, for some reason apt-get is throwing up errors when trying to do apt-get install webmin.. all sorts of garble like /etc/webmin/webmin.acl: No such file or directory.. eventually exiting with E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)... anyone got any ideas how I could sort that out? [05:01] <bz0b> bob2: thanks [05:01] <bob2> JumpManJr: just make all of the second disk /var, you can fix this up later [05:01] <Pimpachu> bob2, Do I have to use Hoary then? Is there a greater version that 5.04? [05:01] <JumpManJr> I can? [05:01] <xulMunkee_> anyone know good RPG games available in ubuntu universe etc... such as KQ? [05:01] <bob2> sentinel: no need to repeat; the package is broken (or was broken by someone or something on your system). file a bug on launchpad.net [05:01] <tristanmike> what's kq? [05:02] <xulMunkee_> tristanmike, it's a pretty cool console RPG [05:02] <bob2> Pimpachu: do you mean "I'd like to help test the development version of Ubuntu."? if so, go find the colony cds, but bear in mind they may be very broken. [05:02] <EasterSunshine> zealot, dhunter, can we contnue in #dreams? too many stray msg from other ppl here [05:02] <tristanmike> oh, console [05:02] <_frank> xulMunkee_: I don't know about universe... there is heroes of lesser renown that works but I've never really played [05:02] <sentinel> bob2: I did apt-get remove webmin a couple of days ago, and decided to reinstall it just now, except it's throwing up errors [05:02] <JumpManJr> bob2 are you helping all these people? Thanks for taking the time to help me. ;-) [05:02] <P8ntKid> bob2, I still dont know wich one to edit. [05:02] <sjg> bob2 is a machine :P [05:02] <Pimpachu> bob2, Ok [05:02] <xulMunkee_> _frank, thanks i'll try it out [05:02] <JumpManJr> Ok I'll make all the second drive /var but I really don't know how I'm going to fix it later. [05:03] <jsgotangco> Pimpachu, its very broken atm [05:03] <bob2> sentinel: well, perhaps it didn't remove itself properly. try manually removign all traces from /etc/ and try installing it again [05:03] <bob2> P8ntKid: did you actually read it? [05:03] <c0rrupt__> is there anyreason why at boot [05:03] <c0rrupt__> my comp stops at configuring network interfaces,until i hit ctrl+c then it continues booting [05:03] <P8ntKid> bob2, Ye [05:03] <bob2> P8ntKid: only one of those lines mentions anything about GMT or UTC [05:03] <P8ntKid> bob2, Yes* [05:04] <Pimpachu> jsgotangco, Colony2 is broken? [05:04] <bob2> c0rrupt__: because you're not on the network you told it you were [05:04] <Pimpachu> jsgotangco, What about Colony1? [05:04] <adriyel> I thought colony3 was out.... [05:04] <|QuaD-> if i do apt-get --reinstall install ubuntu-desktop in breezy, would that damage anything? [05:04] <P8ntKid> bob2, What do i have to do for the changes to take effect? [05:04] <bob2> |QuaD-: no, but it won't do anything useful, either [05:04] <bob2> P8ntKid: more or less reboot [05:04] <jsgotangco> Pimpachu, they are only useful for debugging purposes [05:04] <P8ntKid> bob2, k [05:05] <geneo93> Pimpachu: colony3 is current [05:05] <|QuaD-> bob2: my whole xserver is messed up, it freezes when it starts, trying to figure it out, i am getting down to last resorts [05:05] <Pimpachu> jsgotangco, They don't include newer X versions or anything? [05:05] <Pimpachu> geneo93, It's get a broken download link [05:05] <bob2> |QuaD-: well, what you suggested will not help that [05:06] <Mrafrohea> neone installed clamav on ubuntu before? [05:06] <Mrafrohea> i'm a *nix n00b [05:06] <Mrafrohea> learning though... [05:06] <EasterSunshine> what is the umask for read/write/execute/everything allowed? [05:06] <|QuaD-> bob2: any suggestions? my logs look fine, and i have reconfigured xserver-xorg numerous times [05:07] <geneo93> well then its best to get hoary and update that to breezy them Pimpachu [05:07] <bob2> installing clamav is trivial [05:07] <bob2> configuring it to do things is harder [05:08] <Mrafrohea> it's the ./configure part that I'm having a problem with. [05:08] <P8ntKid> bob2, I rebooted and nothing changed [05:09] <Mrafrohea> I have gotten down to the point where it tells me "configure: error: User clamav (and/or group clamav) doesn't exist. Please read the documentation !" [05:09] <Mrafrohea> I don't see that part in the installation instructions and am a little confused... [05:09] <Mrafrohea> I'm a Windoze user that is trying to convert, so please be gentle... [05:09] <bob2> P8ntKid: what did you expect to have change? [05:10] <bob2> Mrafrohea: why are you compiling clamav at all? [05:10] <Mrafrohea> I've gotten through the rest of it though, installing all of the other tools that it needs. [05:10] <sentinel> bob2: dpkg --purge webmin worked :) [05:10] <Mrafrohea> bob2 because the instructions told me I need to run the "./configure". [05:10] <bob2> Mrafrohea: someone has led you down a massively long garden path here [05:10] <Mrafrohea> then after that I am supposed to do the "make". [05:11] <bob2> no [05:11] <_frank> Mrafrohea: why do you need an antivirus? [05:11] <Mrafrohea> maybe, but in the long run it'll be better that I unerstand this stuff. [05:11] <bob2> Mrafrohea: sudo aptitude install clamav [05:11] <bob2> all done [05:11] <Mrafrohea> _frank because it's an excuse to learn how to use linux. [05:11] <JumpManJr> bob2: install is continuing with 2.1 gig ext3 mounted at / and 6.4 ext3 mounted at /var. After I finish the instal how do I fix it so /home is on 6.4 gig drive with /var? [05:11] <bob2> bear in mind clamav is only useful for scanning incoming mail for windows users [05:11] <Mrafrohea> i'm trying to come up with projects to do on this thing, as I'm trying hard to get out of windoze. [05:11] <johntramp> Mrafrohea, you dont need clamav on a desktop pc [05:12] <johntramp> Mrafrohea, linux doesnt have viruses [05:12] <Mrafrohea> I just want to get some kind of antivirus program installed on the linux box. I don't "need" it, but I want it. Clamav is the only one that I have heard of... [05:12] <_frank> MrNaughty: just get .wmv videos to play, you'll learn the basics of installing stuff in ubuntu ;-) [05:12] <Mrafrohea> it has rootkits though... [05:12] <xulMunkee_> _frank, i can't find that game in synaptic.. do you know the pkg name? [05:12] <HrdwrBoB> Mrafrohea: which clamav won't help you with [05:12] <_frank> xulMunkee_: its not in synaptic [05:12] <bob2> Mrafrohea: anti-virus software won't help with rootkits [05:12] <bob2> Mrafrohea: and rootkits only help when you have already lost [05:12] <geneo93> johntramp: yet [05:13] <Mrafrohea> true, but I still need some projects to practise with... [05:13] <Mrafrohea> this would be one of them... [05:13] <_frank> xulMunkee_: Mrafrohea clamav is mostly used to protect windows computers... you're safe [05:13] <amonkey> i can't get the jpeg2000 component of gaim-vv to install. something aobut qpaint. any suggestions? [05:13] <johntramp> geneo93, well, I dont see it possible to get them if you are using packages from an official reposotory and do not run any untrusted code [05:13] <Em`Zee> hey bob2, I googled for multiseat but there is really nothing useful in terms of installation, is there something I can look at since there isn't much documentation in the Synaptic-retrieved multiseat configuration? [05:14] <Mrafrohea> and I am working on getting wmv files to play... ;p [05:14] <Mrafrohea> thought I had it, but apparently I messed up somewhere and need to screw around a little more... ;p [05:14] <bob2> Em`Zee: install ubuntu on a machine with two pci or agp video cards and it should ask you [05:14] <johntramp> Mrafrohea, set up samba ;) [05:14] <Mrafrohea> what is that? [05:14] <geneo93> well go to cvs and grab unizone then Mrafrohea [05:14] <Em`Zee> can it be one PCI and one AGP? [05:14] <Mrafrohea> unizone? [05:15] <bob2> Em`Zee: yeah [05:15] <bob2> I gather [05:15] <geneo93> files sharing ,chat app Mrafrohea [05:15] <Em`Zee> alright [05:16] <gus> someone please help? [05:16] <bob2> !+smart questions [05:16] <ubotu> Wish i knew, bob2 [05:16] <gus> oi omp342, vc fala de onde? [05:16] <JumpManJr> bob2: Lot of stuff going by here. If you can point me in the right direction I'ld appreciate it. Just tell me what to read. I don't see it on ubuntu's support page. [05:16] <concept10> hello, bob2 .. [05:16] <Pimpachu> Ubuntu mirror only downloading at 200K >_< [05:16] <titaniululz> i can't apt-get install samba because samba-common is the wrong version, and when i try to remove samba-common it says it's also going to remove ubuntu-desktop. ?? :( [05:17] <Mrafrohea> i'll be back in a few... kids need me... [05:17] <bob2> titaniululz: your /etc/apt/sources.list is full of crap, or was [05:17] <P8ntKid> bob2, i expected it to fix my clock because my clock is 4 hours behinf [05:17] <bob2> titaniululz: paste it to #flood [05:17] <P8ntKid> bob2, behind [05:17] <bob2> P8ntKid: and you used hwclock to find out the two different times? [05:17] <bob2> JumpManJr: it's not an ubuntu thing [05:17] <P8ntKid> bob2, No. [05:18] <JumpManJr> bob2: hmmm okay so I want to read how-to on what? [05:18] <La_PaRCa> !ntfs [05:18] <bob2> JumpManJr: boot into single-user mode. umount /var/. mount what was /var on /mnt/. copy contents to /var/. come back up. make sure it worked. then delete the contents of /mnt/. [05:18] <godzirra> how do I reconfigure X? I cahnged video cards because my other one went out. [05:18] <P8ntKid> bob2, I dont really know what i wrong, i just want to set the clock to the right time, and im not really sure how to do that. [05:18] <HrdwrBoB> !resolution [05:18] <ubotu> it has been said that resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto [05:18] <bob2> godzirra: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [05:18] <godzirra> P8ntKid: man date [05:18] <godzirra> bob2: thanks [05:18] <gus> I would like to know how it is organized the system logs...my firefox window has been just closed ...I dont know why...any clue how to find out?? [05:18] <bob2> P8ntKid: er [05:18] <titaniululz> bob2: pasted [05:19] <godzirra> P8ntKid: Also make sure the bios clock is right. Mine kept resetting to the bios clock on reboot. [05:19] <bob2> P8ntKid: I hope you actually checked UTC-ness was the problem to begin with... [05:19] <balls> anyone know of a way to boot the live cd with a low res?? [05:19] <bob2> gus: ~/.xsession-errors [05:19] <P8ntKid> bob2, k [05:19] <gus> thanks bob2 [05:19] <JumpManJr> bob2: won't it try to remount the old var when I come back up? [05:19] <P8ntKid> bob2, utc i checked to yes [05:20] <bob2> JumpManJr: yes, you have to fix /etc/fstab, too [05:20] <P8ntKid> godzirra, You think its my bios time? [05:20] <bob2> P8ntKid: so, hwclock shows that the hardware has the right time? [05:20] <P8ntKid> bob2, hwclock show the same time that fluxbox shows me [05:20] <JumpManJr> ok i'll try to figure it out. [05:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> in ubuntu, how do i want to add services that i'd like to autostart on boot, such as tor and privoxy? [05:21] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: that happens by default [05:21] <godzirra> P8ntKid: no,it very well may be your normal time.. just saying I had that problem so if its changing on every reboot, you may want to look at it. [05:21] <bob2> and it's the same as on any other unix since 1943 [05:21] <bob2> aside from bsd [05:21] <adriyel> hey, anyone here ever used the Enlightenment desktop? [05:21] <P8ntKid> godzirra, Wekk, my battery doent work, o that might be why. [05:21] <godzirra> that might do it :) [05:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 what do you mean happens by default? [05:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> tor is booted by default? [05:22] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: "when you install a daemon, it runs by default" [05:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> actually i found an entry for it. [05:22] <titaniululz> still getting this when i try to apt get install samba, any ideas? samba: Depends: samba-common (= 3.0.10-1ubuntu3) but 3.0.14a-3ubuntu3~5.04ubp1 is to be installed [05:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> ahh! [05:22] <sjg> adriyel, enlightenment..heh veeeeeeeeeery long time ago :P [05:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> yes i see the entries in /etc/rc2.d/ [05:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks. [05:22] <bob2> titaniululz: paste the output of 'apt-cache policy samba' to #flood [05:23] <ashley3452> Hi, I was hoping to ask a question about ssh and X forwarding, doesanyone here know much about these two things? [05:23] <halley> ashley3452, beyond (ssh -X hostname), not much. [05:23] <ashley3452> heh Ive got to -XC [05:23] <halley> the -X means, "tunnel X stuff through the connection" [05:23] <ashley3452> yeh I know [05:23] <bob2> ashley3452: best to just ask your question [05:23] <EasterSunshine> what is the syntax to mount an etnry from fstab? [05:23] <ashley3452> I dont know what -C does, but it makes it work [05:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm trying to use google's new jabber server. [05:24] <bob2> titaniululz: and 'apt-cache policy samba-common' [05:24] <ashley3452> EasterSunshine, I think just mount <mount poiint> [05:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> woah..it works [05:24] <ashley3452> so anyone know much bout ssh and X ? [05:24] <EasterSunshine> ashley3452: think there was a -a in there somewhere? [05:24] <bob2> titaniululz: using backports, you lose [05:25] <EasterSunshine> ashley3452: cause otherwise it spits back at me that the fstype is wrong [05:25] <bob2> titaniululz: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends samba-common ; sudo aptitude install samba [05:25] <EasterSunshine> ashley3452: and i'm pretty sure my fstab is correct [05:25] <ashley3452> ahh that could be wrong in your fstab then ? [05:25] <bob2> ashley3452: it's really better to just ask your question [05:25] <ashley3452> do u get same error when you boot up ? [05:25] <titaniululz> bob2: sorry someone else had me add backports a while ago for something else :( i will remove it and try that [05:25] <sjg> ashley3452, btw, man ssh / ~C Open command line. [05:25] <ashley3452> bob2, ok i will [05:25] <EasterSunshine> ashley3452: nvm , i got it, thx anytway ^_^ [05:25] <ashley3452> sjg, thanks [05:25] <balls> hi there, im having some video problems upon booting the live cd... is there a way to boot the live cd with a low res?? [05:26] <halley> Someone http: published a dir full of .deb files and a Packages.gz line. What would I need to do to use it as a source for apt? [05:26] <ashley3452> um so heres what I want to do, I just need to know what its called 9and if it's possible) I can resarch how [05:26] <bob2> halley: deb http://machine/path/ ./ [05:26] <ashley3452> I have a machine A in my room [05:26] <ashley3452> and a machine B in my lounge [05:26] <ashley3452> I can ssh to B and start X apps [05:26] <bob2> it's a lot easier if you ask a whole question on one line [05:26] <ashley3452> they show up on A , thats all good [05:27] <ashley3452> ok sorry will do [05:27] <halley> What does the ./ indicate? That there's no multiple-dist subdirectory below the url? [05:27] <La_PaRCa> !grub [05:27] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [05:27] <bob2> halley: yes [05:27] <gus> I cant find why my browser has been closed...I looked at the .xsession log file, but theres no thing related with my browser...please help? [05:27] <halley> bob2, thankee! [05:27] <titaniululz> bob2: i'm on the aptitude install samba step and it says this: The following packages will be REMOVED: smbclient ubuntu-desktop -- should i be worried about 'ubuntu-desktop' ? :( [05:27] <bob2> gus: so run it from a terminal [05:27] <bob2> titaniululz: yay for backports! [05:28] <bob2> yes, you should be worried [05:28] <titaniululz> bob2, crap :( [05:28] <ashley3452> machien B in my lounge, Machine A in my room. ssh from A to B, and start X apps, thats ok. Now I want to have them set uop, and send the X app window back to the server, so I can turn off the noisy computer in my room, and have the lounge one keep downloading/trasncoding/etc...can it be done ? [05:28] <bob2> apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop -> #flood [05:28] <bob2> ashley3452: you want the X apps to work after you shutdown the computer that was displaying them? [05:29] <billytwowilly> anyone get rtorrent working with ubuntu? [05:29] <darksoul> whats so diffrant with breezy? [05:29] <ashley3452> yeh [05:29] <sjg> ashley3452, you may want to use vnc instead of launching the apps remotely [05:29] <darksoul> from what i seen its just like normal ubuntu [05:29] <ashley3452> like send them back by changing the display ? [05:29] <bob2> ashley3452: xmove is what you want to look at [05:29] <EasterSunshine> ashley3452: you sound knowledgable, you know if there is any way to run xapps on putty ssh client without xbeing installed on windows? [05:29] <adriyel> vc would be wise [05:29] <adriyel> vnc [05:29] <bob2> EasterSunshine: no [05:29] <bob2> titaniululz: ouch [05:29] <ashley3452> not realiably/cheaply [05:29] <darksoul> is there any screen shots of kde breezy? [05:29] <bob2> titaniululz: and your /etc/apt/sources.list again [05:29] <sjg> bob2, xmove .....i totally forgot about that :P [05:29] <adriyel> set up a host VNC on the machine you want to manipulate remotely [05:29] <ashley3452> download knoppix [05:29] <bob2> darksoul: #kubuntu [05:29] <adriyel> then a client on yours [05:29] <adriyel> you'll find life easier [05:29] <ashley3452> Ive used VNC, thanks [05:29] <ashley3452> that migh be my best alternative [05:29] <darksoul> bob2: yea but for breezy [05:30] <ashley3452> Ill try out thisxmovethough too thanks [05:30] <adriyel> I was about to say [05:30] <adriyel> no need to snappy however. [05:30] <sjg> Thats the one i use, xmove is a good way as well [05:30] <adriyel> it just seems like the most logical path [05:30] <darksoul> bob2: any screen shots of breezy with kde on it? and can ya tell me whats diff? [05:30] <P8ntKid> bob2, It was my bios clock, that was the whole reason, its fixed now. thanks! [05:30] <titaniululz> bob2, #flood [05:30] <bob2> darksoul: #kubuntu [05:30] <bob2> I doubt it looks any different [05:30] <ashley3452> see the other thing is, the lounge PC is runing mythtv, so I dont wanna clutter that display with windows, will vnc/xmove do this ? [05:30] <sjg> mmmm mythtv [05:31] <ashley3452> heh I havent got it set up completely yet, its a work in progress [05:31] <bob2> titaniululz: dunno what backport package is breaking it for you then [05:31] <sjg> ditto [05:31] <ashley3452> i built it over the weekend [05:31] <bob2> titaniululz: I'd use apt-show-versions to find anything with ubp in the versoin [05:31] <sjg> I gotta set up myth to control 3 sat boxes :P [05:31] <gus> why there are so many "unix" connections ...executting netstat??? [05:31] <EasterSunshine> is umask 0222 ok for read/write? [05:31] <ashley3452> ooch flag that [05:31] <titaniululz> bob2, apt-show-versions? command not found [05:31] <billytwowilly> ashley3452: mythtv rocks. I haven't used it since 0.15, but it was rocking back then. it must be hella sweet now [05:31] <ashley3452> Im gonna buy a IR keyboard, and a "universal remote" [05:31] <sjg> 3 tv tuner cards :P [05:32] <ashley3452> and get the remote to learn the main keybaord comannds [05:32] <sjg> lol [05:32] <ashley3452> ive heard its the easiest way to get remote for myth [05:32] <bob2> titaniululz: then install it... [05:32] <adriyel> ashley, thats a little excessively elaborate don't you think? ohhh...PVR box, thats why. [05:32] <bob2> gus: they're fine, they're process talking to each other [05:32] <billytwowilly> knoppmyth support the pvr-250 remote and ati remote wonder out of the box [05:32] <HrdwrBoB> haha [05:32] <ashley3452> yeh your'e right, I could prolly just runwith the keyboard [05:32] <HrdwrBoB> I don't bother with TV [05:33] <HrdwrBoB> I watch the torrentvision [05:33] <ashley3452> I dont have TV card yet [05:33] <sjg> torrents, take to darn long [05:33] <ashley3452> so just movies and shows that I dl [05:33] <sjg> to download [05:33] <titaniululz> bob2, #flood [05:33] <gus> thanks bob2, but how can I learn about them??? I want to learn everything :) I need to know what is going on... [05:33] <bob2> titaniululz: haha [05:33] <titaniululz> bob2 :O [05:33] <bob2> go TEAM BACKPORTS [05:34] <bob2> titaniululz: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends smbclient [05:34] <adriyel> why is XMMS so crappy? and why haven't distro's changed to BMP? [05:34] <bob2> gus: no idea [05:34] <titaniululz> bob2 i'm new to both linux and ubuntu i didn't realize backports was a bad thing :( [05:34] <WhiteRabbit> bmp lacks in some areas that xmms doesn't I belive [05:34] <bob2> adriyel: how is it crappy? and because BMP is identical, aside from having less plugins and an anti-aliased preferences dialog [05:34] <titaniululz> bob2: okay, removed [05:34] <ashley3452> bob2, you read my mind "xmove lets you change which display an X Window System program renders to - this could be a different monitor or even a different machine." [05:34] <ashley3452> thanks [05:34] <bob2> np [05:35] <adriyel> FSCK. [05:35] <adriyel> stupid BMP [05:35] <titaniululz> still can't get apt-show-versions [05:36] <bob2> titaniululz: apt-cache policy apt [05:36] <bob2> I will cry if they included a "backport" of it [05:36] <bob2> tears, then rage [05:36] <regeya> by the way, there's a port of xmms-mad to bmp if anyone cares to search for it. I had it running on gentoo at some point, wiped out my gentoo install along with the patches, like a tard, when I switched back to ubuntu [05:36] <titaniululz> bob2, #flood .. [05:37] <gus> I would like to learn about each process running here....e.g. the metacity process, does what??? [05:37] <bob2> gus: er, dude [05:37] <HrdwrBoB> gus: window manager [05:37] <bob2> you're going to be on everyone's ignore list if you do that [05:37] <regeya> but um, yeah, some japanese person ported xmms-mad to bmp, but had included some other nonstandard unicode lib. once you remove the unicode infection it works fine. [05:37] <bob2> gus: take the process name. then find it in /usr/bin/ or /bin or /usr/X11R6/bin or wherever [05:37] <HrdwrBoB> gus: you can use dpkg -S program to find out what package owns it [05:37] <bob2> gus: then use dpkg -S to find out what package that is [05:38] <bob2> titaniululz: dunno then, talk to the backports people I guess [05:38] <titaniululz> bob2: when i do apt-get -f install like it recommends, it says new packages to be installed: smbclient and samba-common. try it? i have backports and such removed now [05:38] <bob2> worth a try [05:39] <titaniululz> bob2: its installing it from the cd [05:40] <bob2> gus: please dont try to dcc chat me [05:40] <gus> thank you very much :) [05:40] <bob2> ask questions in here, tho private tuition is available at reasonable rates [05:40] <sophie_msumu976> hi [05:40] <sjg> lol bob [05:40] <titaniululz> bob2, apt-get install samba works now too! hooray. it seems like everything is fine, unless ubuntu-desktop got removed or something and if i reboot my machine will die. :O is that possible in linux? i've only ever used windows [05:40] <gus> I see [05:40] <sophie_msumu976> help on mpd appreciated [05:41] <bob2> titaniululz: it's extremely unlikely to break on reboot [05:41] <titaniululz> bob2, * Starting Samba daemons.. [ ok ] :) thank you very much, i never would've fixed that without your help [05:41] <sjg> samba is the debil [05:41] <sjg> :P [05:41] <titaniululz> bob2, and lesson learned, don't use backports :) [05:41] <titaniululz> sjg, :P [05:42] <sjg> backports are ok if you absolutely need them [05:42] <Pickle_Weasel> now..hold your laughter...but i'm having trouble dialing up to aol with my winmodem -_- [05:42] <sjg> if you dont need them for a specific reason, avoid..runaway [05:42] <titaniululz> i did for one thing but i didn't understand how it worked or how it could break other things [05:42] <sjg> Pickle_Weasel, >< [05:42] <titaniululz> i'm starting to see now how the whole system works [05:42] <bob2> apt is just a constraint solver [05:42] <Pickle_Weasel> i got the winmodem working, and i got a source code for the only dialer known to work, but i don't know how to compile it [05:42] <bob2> using backports can get the system into a state with no solution [05:43] <bob2> Pickle_Weasel: and that dialer is ... [05:43] <Pickle_Weasel> los aol [05:43] <Pickle_Weasel> made for linspire (lindows) [05:43] <bob2> you're using AOL? [05:43] <bob2> ouch [05:43] <Pickle_Weasel> ouch indeed [05:43] <adriyel> aol... [05:43] <Pickle_Weasel> which is why i am trying to get this dialer to work, it's the only aol dialer known to work on linux [05:43] <sjg> exactly [05:43] <adriyel> you gotta be fucking kidding me? [05:43] <billytwowilly> anyone have any experience with pkg-config? whoever packaged openssl didn't include a .pc file [05:43] <bob2> adriyel: ? [05:43] <titaniululz> okay, back to following the wiki guide on setting up samba. one of the steps is to enable windows networking in network options; i don't have that option. [05:43] <adriyel> AOL? [05:43] <adriyel> on Linux? [05:43] <Pickle_Weasel> it works! [05:44] <Pickle_Weasel> on linux [05:44] <sjg> but...why... [05:44] <Pickle_Weasel> i just need to compile this source code [05:44] <adriyel> if this proliferates into my holy ground, I am...oh my God...I'm switching to BSD [05:44] <bob2> billytwowilly: /usr/lib/pkgconfig/openssl.pc [05:44] <sjg> :P [05:44] <adriyel> screw you people [05:44] <bob2> adriyel: please chill out [05:44] <EasterSunshine> aol on linux is like...wtf? [05:44] <titaniululz> also my network settings dialogue box looks nothing like the one on the wiki despite the fact that i'm using hoary 5.04 [05:44] <adriyel> FreeBSD, you're the last stronghold... [05:44] <Pickle_Weasel> and ./configure make make instal doesn't work [05:44] <bob2> Pickle_Weasel: you'll need to find instructions for it [05:44] <adriyel> EasterSunshine: my compliments exactly [05:44] <bob2> Pickle_Weasel: or perhaps ask in #linspire [05:44] <adriyel> why use AOL and Linux [05:44] <adriyel> it makes no sense [05:44] <Pickle_Weasel> channel doesn't exist =\ [05:45] <Pickle_Weasel> adriyel, because AOL is all i have and i want a connection in linux [05:45] <EasterSunshine> Pickle_Weasel: you mean, its empty? [05:45] <adriyel> its like getting a manual transmission and a big exhaust on a geo metro, it makes no sense [05:45] <billytwowilly> bob2: I don't have that file, but there aren't obvious openssl dev files... [05:45] <Pickle_Weasel> aye, empty [05:45] <adriyel> are they any other ISP's in your area Pickle? [05:45] <bob2> billytwowilly: yes there are [05:45] <adriyel> we should have like, a collection to upgrade you [05:45] <bob2> billytwowilly: libssl-dev [05:45] <titaniululz> are there mutliple versions of 'network settings' in hoary? [05:46] <billytwowilly> bob2: would be nice if it was named so it showed up when I searched openssl;) oh well.. [05:46] <bob2> billytwowilly: ask the openssl people to change their library name then [05:46] <bob2> billytwowilly: "apt-cache search openssl dev" finds it [05:47] <billytwowilly> bob2: synaptic search for openssl in file and description doesn't... [05:48] <bob2> file a bug on synaptic [05:48] <cafuego> bob2: Were you running courier with vmail users? [05:48] <bob2> cafuego: yeah [05:48] <Pickle_Weasel> los aol compile [05:48] <Pickle_Weasel> erm [05:48] <cafuego> bob2: Are you doing any server-side filtering? [05:49] <Pickle_Weasel> sorry, that was supposed to have a /ggole in front of it [05:49] <Pickle_Weasel> google* [05:49] <bob2> cafuego: not per-user (rbls and blacklists, and I used to use SA) [05:49] <cafuego> bob2: As in: file mail into different mailboxes based on header matching... [05:49] <bob2> cafuego: no [05:49] <bob2> cafuego: it looked rather hard to setup [05:49] <cafuego> bob2: Ah ok, you won't have had my problem, then. (I've got it set up, works fime from the cmdline, but refuses to work through postfix) [05:50] <bob2> ah [05:50] <Pickle_Weasel> is there any way i can compile a program if i don't find instructions to do so? i know it's written in python, and that seems to be all i can find out [05:51] <bob2> talk to whoever wrote it
 [05:51] <bob2> you won't be compiling it then, anyway [05:51] <Pickle_Weasel> =\ [05:51] <bob2> I'd be very surprised if it had no usage instructions at all [05:51] <bob2> that would be shit, even for linspire [05:51] <Pickle_Weasel> well, the thing is, linspire has a compiled version out there [05:51] <Pickle_Weasel> but only for members of linspire [05:52] <Pickle_Weasel> the source code is available for free [05:52] <Pickle_Weasel> no instructions, however =\ [05:52] <sjg> Thats kinda crappy :P [05:52] <bob2> and no one ever wrote external instructions? [05:53] <Pickle_Weasel> not that i can find, a google search for "los aol" brings me hispanic people complaining about AOL =\ [05:54] <kainos> how do i know if my laptop's modem is working properly? [05:54] <cafuego> kainos: a dialtone is normally a good indication [05:54] <wjesusaxl> I have the following error message: /usr/lib/kaffe/jthreads/jre/bin/kaffe-bin: relocation error: /usr/lib/kaffe/jthreads/jre/bin: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference [05:54] <wjesusaxl> any idea? [05:54] <bob2> wjesusaxl: where did you get your kaffe package from? [05:54] <cafuego> wjesusaxl: breezy? [05:55] <adriyel> hispanics and AOL [05:55] <adriyel> fascinating [05:55] <wjesusaxl> bob2: I don't remember I downloaded it [05:55] <bob2> wjesusaxl: you need to find out [05:56] <billytwowilly> whats the name of the program to convert source code to a deb file automagically? [05:56] <cafuego> billytwowilly: checkinstall [05:56] <Pickle_Weasel> haha [05:56] <cafuego> billytwowilly: it WILL need a small amount of thought, though [05:56] <billytwowilly> cafuego: thank you [05:57] <billytwowilly> cafuego: I've used it before several times, I just couldn't remember the name. It's been a long time... [05:57] <wjesusaxl> bob2: it came along with the java package I downloaded years ago [05:57] <wjesusaxl> It was working.. [05:57] <bob2> then get rid of it [05:57] <bob2> and install kaffe from ubuntu [05:57] <bob2> assuming you're using haory [05:58] <dennis__> Can someone help me change the default application to open a .torrent file? [05:58] <wjesusaxl> but i've been messing around with my "sources.list" [05:58] <bob2> wjesusaxl: so, show us that in #flood then [05:58] <wjesusaxl> and many things got screwed [05:58] <bob2> also, mentioning all these crucial facts in your question to begin with saves everyone time [05:58] <wjesusaxl> bob2: show you my "sources.list" [05:59] <bob2> yes... [05:59] <kainos> cafuego:how do i detect a diom linux dialtopne from linux box [05:59] <cafuego> kainos: with a teminal app like minicom [05:59] <kainos> ic ok ill try [05:59] <wulfy814> is it possible to put everything (boot and / ) on software RAID1 with sata drives? [05:59] <cafuego> wulfy814: yes [06:00] <dennis__> Can someone help me change the default application to open a .torrent file? [06:00] <wulfy814> cafuego: I just tried with XFS and it barked at installing LILO [06:00] <kainos> cafuego: is it a command line utility? [06:00] <cafuego> kainos: indeed [06:00] <wulfy814> I'm doing it with EXT3 now [06:00] <wulfy814> on /md0 [06:00] <dennis__> Cafuego can you help? [06:00] <cafuego> wulfy814: works fine, i've been doing it for years [06:00] <dracflamloc> hm [06:00] <dracflamloc> anyone have experience using ndiswrapper with buuntu [06:01] <dracflamloc> ubuntu* [06:01] <bob2> ubotu: q is Really, it's easier to just ask your question. [06:01] <ubotu> bob2: okay [06:01] <cafuego> dennis__: not running ubuntu atm; probably somwehere in the browse prefs, though [06:01] <wjesusaxl> http:/paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1570 [06:01] <wulfy814> 2 - 160 gig ( /dev/sda1 - soft raid 158.5 /dev/sda2 - 1.5 swap /dev/sdb1 158.5 soft raid /dev/sdb2 1.5 /tmp [06:01] <bob2> !+q [06:01] <ubotu> q is, like, Really, it's easier to just ask your question. [06:01] <wulfy814> I'm using the "server" install option [06:01] <dracflamloc> anyone? [06:01] <bob2> dracflamloc: guess my sarcasm was too subtle [06:01] <bob2> dracflamloc: just ask your question [06:02] <dennis__> bob2 can you help me? [06:02] <dracflamloc> didnt realize you were addressing me [06:02] <bimberi> dennis__: right click on a .torrent file, select Properties, then the Open With tab and take it from there [06:02] <bob2> dracflamloc: you appear to be ignoring the suggestions from other people, so no [06:02] <bob2> bah [06:02] <bob2> dennis__: [06:02] <dennis__> Alright [06:02] <dracflamloc> anyway, what do i need to do to get ndiswrapper to compile [06:02] <dennis__> Thanks bimberi [06:02] <cafuego> wulfy814: I would use 2x .5G swap (for a total of 3GB) and use tmpfs for /tmp [06:02] <bob2> dracflamloc: you don't compile it [06:02] <bimberi> dennis__: not yet, make sure it works first :) [06:02] <dennis__> Hehe [06:02] <dennis__> KK [06:02] <dracflamloc> you dont need to make and make install? [06:02] <bob2> dracflamloc: you install the ndiswrapper-utils package [06:02] <bob2> dracflamloc: correct [06:03] <titaniululz> haha, i'm trying to follow the setting up samba wiki guide and i got to the point of smbmount //server/share /mountpoint. it 'worked' but when i try to ls the mountpoint i get permission denied, and i can't remove the mountpoint now either. good grief, what have i done [06:03] <wulfy814> cafuego: RAID the swap? [06:03] <dracflamloc> ah ok [06:03] <dracflamloc> nm then =P [06:03] <wulfy814> or just put partition on each [06:03] <bob2> titaniululz: sudo umount /mountpoint [06:03] <bob2> wjesusaxl: that's presumably missing all the other oens ytou added [06:03] <cafuego> wulfy814: No, 2 x 1.5GB non-raid swap [06:03] <titaniululz> bob2: ah thanks, i tried smbumout and it kept giving me permission denied. thanks [06:04] <cafuego> wulfy814: and stuff in /tmp will be swapped out to that anyway; so you can keep the drives INDENTIAL. [06:04] <cafuego> +C [06:04] <wulfy814> cafuego: ok, that's what I thought. [06:04] <glick> hmm so thunderbird is alot better than evolution eh? [06:04] <wulfy814> got you [06:04] <wulfy814> cafuego, it worked fine for ext3 [06:04] <wulfy814> xfs didn't [06:05] <cafuego> wulfy814: don't use xfs [06:05] <titaniululz> not sure why i can't get smbmount to work... i can browse fine inside nautilus but i get hammered with permission denied when i try anything from terminal [06:05] <cafuego> wulfy814: raid1 implies data security, xfs does not. [06:05] <glick> i wish gnome had somehting comparable to kontact [06:05] <bob2> titaniululz: of course [06:05] <glick> gontact [06:05] <kainos> cafuego: wat now after typing the comman minicom...it says initialising modem...but its all blank after dat [06:05] <bob2> titaniululz: pass it the umask=000 options (you'll need to read the manpage to find out how) [06:06] <wulfy814> cafuego: I was going to use XFS because of xfsdump [06:06] <wulfy814> cafuego: this is to be a backuppc box [06:06] <wjesusaxl> bob2: can't understand what you say [06:06] <titaniululz> pass smbmount that option? [06:06] <cafuego> kainos: pen the correct modem device (/dev/ttySOMETHING) [06:06] <cafuego> wulfy814: rsync is your friend [06:06] <wulfy814> wanted to be able to "image" the RAID to an external drive (USB2) [06:06] <bob2> wjesusaxl: nevermind then [06:06] <cafuego> kainos: then send it 'AT' and see if it responds [06:06] <wulfy814> cafuego: rsync and large backuppc stores aren't are they? backuppc relies heavily on hardlinks [06:07] <svn> hello [06:07] <wulfy814> cafuego: data store will be approx 120g [06:07] <svn> speak anyone german, because i can't explain my problem in english :( [06:07] <cafuego> !de [06:07] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, de is #ubuntu-de bitte. [06:07] <svn> !de [06:08] <svn> !de [06:08] <adriyel> wtf? [06:08] <cafuego> man kann dich auf #ubuntu-de auf deutsch hilfen [06:08] <svn> danke [06:08] <svn> bin neu in der sache hier [06:08] <cafuego> :-) [06:09] <wulfy814> cafuego: no comment on the backuppc data? rsync would prolly take forever on a data store of 100+ gig [06:09] <wulfy814> cafuego: maybe "dd" instead? [06:10] <wulfy814> as long as my external volume is larger than the main store [06:10] <wulfy814> or I suppose could just intentionally break the RAID [06:10] <cafuego> I've never used backuppc; I use rsync myself to mirror a remote box to a local backup archive; the first time takes a while; after that is't a few minutes tops per run. [06:11] <titaniululz> bob2, awesome it works :) thank you [06:11] <wulfy814> cafuego: you should check out backuppc - great software [06:11] <dracflamloc> if ndiswrapper reports that the driver is present and the hardware is present, why wouldnt wlan0 show up? [06:11] <wulfy814> thank you for your assistance [06:12] <cafuego> wulfy814: Nah,. too late, current solution is automated and working fine. No need to break it :-) [06:12] <Logi_> anyone know how to enable "AllowOverride" for apache2? [06:12] <Logi_> i can't seem to get it to work [06:13] <cafuego> Logi_: Set AlowOverride (All|List of allowed options) on the DocumentRoot. [06:13] <cafuego> Logi_: as in: <Directory /foo> \ AllowOverride All \ </Directory> [06:13] <Logi_> i did that... [06:13] <svn`ubuntu> where i can find the energiemenu for the hdd... after the installation the hdd sleep every 1-2 minutes why :( [06:13] <adriyel> foo bar...lol [06:13] <Logi_> then restarted apache.. and it didnt work [06:13] <cafuego> restart apache2, make sure .htaccess isn't overriding it [06:14] <Logi_> <Directory /var/www> \ AllowOverride All \ </Directory> correct? [06:14] <cafuego> Logi_: \ is a newlin [06:14] <Logi_> right [06:15] <titaniululz> bob2, time for some sleep. thanks for all your help tonight, you saved me hours of frustration [06:16] <sako75> hey pplz i have an error ive just installed ubuntu on a seperate partition on my hdd from xp and wen i boot xp thru grub bootloader its comes up wid an error sayin "xmt2002 program not found - skipping autocheck, autochk program not found - skipping autocheck" can any1 help me? [06:16] <robotgeek> breezy works very nice now :) [06:17] <Logi_> yeah.. didnt work [06:17] <robotgeek> no network manager love though :( [06:18] <Logi_> cause i did "Options -Indexex" in the .htaccess in /var/www and it still allows it [06:18] <cafuego> Logi_: What is it doing, saying a certain Option cannot be set from .htaccess? [06:18] <cafuego> Logi_: Indexes or Indexex ? [06:18] <Logi_> no... it just flat out es* [06:18] <Logi_> typo here, not in file [06:18] <robotgeek> libcairo depedency problems [06:18] <Logi_> or else it would 500 [06:19] <cafuego> The right modules loaded? [06:19] <Logi_> oh crap.. [06:19] <Logi_> what needs to be loaded [06:19] <svn`ubuntu> nobody knows? [06:20] <el_toro> robotgeek: NetworkManager from cvs works fine [06:20] <sako75> any got any ideas on my question [06:20] <robotgeek> el_toro: on ppc too? [06:21] <el_toro> robotgeek: ymmv [06:21] <robotgeek> el_toro: :) [06:21] <TraceGreen> Hello, if my vga set to 640x480, can i have bootsplash when booting? [06:22] <La_PaRCa> whats a good windows python interpreter? [06:22] <sartas> i cant start Amarok: first it told me to see if dcopserver is running.. and then it said something about that it couldnt load kde thingies [06:22] <sartas> what to do? [06:22] <cafuego> what's a good windows channel? [06:22] <robotgeek> el_toro: i am trying from cvs now, thanks [06:23] <sartas> help me! [06:23] <Seveas> La_PaRCa, the official python interpreter.... [06:23] <Milk> good evening! [06:23] <Seveas> evening? [06:23] <billytwowilly> how do I find out what is in my path? [06:23] <Seveas> it's friggen 6:23 am :) [06:23] <bimberi> :) [06:23] <Seveas> billytwowilly, echo $PATH [06:23] <Tripp> Hello [06:23] <sartas> i cant start Amarok: first it told me to see if dcopserver is running.. and then it said something about that it couldnt load kde thingies [06:23] <adriyel> its 12:23am here [06:23] <ixiz> morning [06:23] <cafuego> Seveas: with the waking hours you keep, i doubt it matters ;-) [06:23] <robotgeek> it's 11:14 am here! [06:23] <Seveas> hehehehe [06:24] <ixiz> and it's 6:24 am here :P [06:24] <cafuego> Anyway. it's 14:24 where it matters [06:24] <Milk> I'm trying to setup samba using the wiki guide, but I don't have a "Windows Networking" section.. can anyone point me in the right direction [06:24] <cafuego> robotgeek: Your cpu clock is out of sync [06:24] <bimberi> cafuego: indeed! [06:24] <el_toro> robotgeek: let me know how it goes [06:24] <sartas> i cant start Amarok: first it told me to see if dcopserver is running.. and then it said something about that it couldnt load kde thingies [06:24] <robotgeek> el_toro: sure [06:24] <sartas> help me! [06:24] <Milk> sartas.. whats your problem? [06:25] <sartas> Milk: i cant start Amarok: first it told me to see if dcopserver is running.. and then it said something about that it couldnt load kde thingies [06:25] <sartas> and Juk says the same thing [06:25] <robotgeek> cafuego: it does that every time i sleep my laptop! [06:25] <Tripp> Does anyone know install pengaol on Ubuntu, i'm new to linux. I'm used to windows shitty .exe setup. [06:25] <Milk> what kde thingies? [06:25] <black13> after you do make-kpkg what next next? [06:25] <svn`ubuntu> where is the menu for the hdd sleep mode ? [06:25] <cafuego> robotgeek: ntpdate in a cron [06:26] <glick> Tripp, exe setups arnt that bad [06:26] <Milk> can anyone help me with samba via the gui? [06:26] <robotgeek> cafuego: more like ntpdate when i connect to the network, i do it with a script anyways [06:26] <Milk> Tripp.. have you tried apt-get install pengaol? [06:26] <cafuego> robotgeek: from ip-up.d - yeah, that works. [06:26] <Dr_Willis> Milk, help with what aspect of samba? [06:26] <Tripp> Well, I know, i'm running windows on this computer, but I installed it on my laptop. [06:26] <glick> what is pengaol? [06:27] <Tripp> Try what, i'm sorry? [06:27] <robotgeek> :) [06:27] <sartas> Milk: I dont remeber, and now it wont even open Juk or Amarok [06:27] <Milk> Dr_Willis, I'm trying to get shares setup using the wiki guide via the networking gui.. but I don't have options for windows networking [06:27] <KrispyKringle> So I'm thinking of switching to either Debian or Ubuntu--I'm tired of building my software all from source--and I'm curious; between Debian Testing and Ubuntu, I don't see many differences in packages, etc. Why should I use Ubuntu over Debian Testing? [06:27] <Milk> sartas without knowing what it wants, its near impossible to tell [06:27] <Milk> Tripp... on a command line, type apt-get install pengaol [06:28] <sartas> Milk: but.. i cant boot it at all T_T [06:28] <Tripp> Ok, one sec. [06:28] <Milk> sartas, you got errors once.... [06:28] <Milk> sartas, are you trying via CLI? [06:29] <robotgeek> KrispyKringle: ubuntu just works, mostly :) [06:29] <Seveas> KrispyKringle, more freqeunt releases, more resent packages, 18 month security support, better community :) [06:29] <Seveas> s/resent/recent/ [06:29] <Dr_Willis> Milk, hmm... i cant actually recall using the gui. im not even sure that the samba servers are installed by default. [06:29] <Seveas> and indeed, Ubuntu Just Works :) [06:29] <sartas> Milk: i tried with rythmbox know. the sound in my headphones are totally changed to.. i cant hear a song in them.. [06:29] <sartas> .. [06:29] <Milk> Dr_Willis, I used apt-get to install samba [06:30] <robotgeek> el_toro: can i msg you with a question? [06:30] <el_toro> robotgeek: sure [06:30] <sartas> Milk: the sound is gone.. [06:30] <sartas> man.. [06:30] <Dr_Willis> Milk, did you start the service? did ya do a 'smbpasswd -a USERNAME' for your users? [06:30] <Dr_Willis> then restart the service :P [06:30] <Dr_Willis> thats about all i can rember doing last time. [06:31] <Milk> hrm... it gave an error.. can't load /etc/samba/smb.conf [06:31] <KrispyKringle> robotgeek: I never had many problems with Debian, to be fair. ;) [06:31] <Milk> whats the command to restart samba? [06:31] <KrispyKringle> Seveas: that was always my main complaint with Debian, though. The slow updates. Unstable and Testing largely avoid that, but even so, that is what atracts me to ubuntu. [06:31] <KrispyKringle> Thanks. :) [06:32] <sartas> GRR!! It cant make a pipeline with AlSA, ESD, and OSS [06:32] <sartas> whats wrong!! [06:32] <Logi_> anyone know how to enable "AllowOverride" for apache2?.... i still can't get it to work [06:32] <\dev\goat> sartas, you need to install amarok-xine [06:32] <Dr_Willis> i always ise /etc/init.d/samba restart - same as any other service :P [06:32] <Tripp> Um, it just tells me could not open lock file, are you root? [06:32] <\dev\goat> from synaptic [06:33] <Milk> hehe [06:33] <Tripp> I have no idea, what that means. [06:33] <Milk> Tripp, are you logged in as root, or are you sudo as root? [06:33] <sartas> \dev\goat: but i lissened to musik the whole day yesterday, whats changed?? [06:33] <billytwowilly> when a command line prog tells you to type ^q to quit what does it want me to push? ^q doesn't actually work when typed... [06:33] <_frank> ctrl [06:33] <_frank> ctrl-q [06:33] <Milk> Dr_Willis, its not starting [06:34] <billytwowilly> _frank: thanks [06:34] <Dr_Willis> Milk, then whats it doing dare i ask.. :P [06:34] <Milk> Dr_Willis not sure, its failing.. checking the logs now [06:34] <Milk> empty section name in configuration [06:35] <Milk> hrm.. [06:35] <Milk> I'm going to try dpkg-reconfigure [06:35] <Tripp> How do you know? [06:35] <LoneFreak> ok, this question may be stupid but yea. When i'm browsing through folders i like the window maximized, but it keeps minimizing?? is there anyway to stop this [06:35] <cyphase> are their any background cycling applications in ubuntu? [06:35] <Dr_Willis> Milk, ya could just edit the samba config manually :P [06:35] <Seveas> Tripp, if you open synaptic, close aptitude and all other things using apt [06:35] <cyphase> so you can have a different background every da, hour, etc [06:35] <cyphase> day* [06:36] <Milk> Tripp, in the CLI, type su [06:36] <Milk> Dr_Willis, my brain isn't up to manual tonight [06:36] <Seveas> Milk, ubuntu uses sudo - by default there is no root password [06:36] <Dr_Willis> Milk, its one of the most trivial config files out. :P in fact i think the default is 90# commants.. [06:37] <Milk> Seveas, I'm aware, but it would give him a prompt [06:37] <Dr_Willis> Milk, the book (online) of 'using samba' is dang handy also. to read when ya got the time [06:37] <Seveas> Milk, not without a root password :) [06:37] <Milk> Dr_Willis, I will, thanks! [06:37] <Tripp> You mean Syntaptic package manager, right? [06:37] <Dr_Willis> having a root prompt - is the kind of secuity 'issue' that this disrto tries to avoid. :P [06:37] <Milk> Seveas, default user password worked for me, untill I set a root password.. but regardless [06:37] <Dr_Willis> lol [06:37] <\dev\goat> fglrx is so much fun to troubleshoot [06:38] <Dr_Willis> \dev\goat, heh - i cant even do that - this ati x200 isent supported by it. [06:38] <Milk> hrm.. Dr_Willis.. even after remove/install, its showing an error with the printcap file [06:38] <\dev\goat> >< my r9600p might as well not be supported, as much of a pain in the ass to get working as it is [06:38] <Ice9> why is ubuntu detecting that I have a radeon 9200 when I have a radeon 9250? [06:39] <Dr_Willis> printcap ? Hmm perahps its confused by you not hving a printer set up right.. no clue really there. comment out the samba printer section and restart the service [06:39] <Dr_Willis> Ice9, becaise from a chipset point of view the 2 are identical perhaps? [06:40] <Ice9> oh [06:40] <Ice9> why doesn't 3d acceleration work? I did what the guide said [06:40] <ixiz> I have a Radeon 9200 but it is recognized as a Radeon 9000 too [06:40] <geneo93> or you where sold a 9200 for a 9250 [06:40] <Dr_Willis> Ice9, did you restart X totally? [06:40] <Tripp> I'm not sure synaptic what, package manager? The top of the terminal says home then my name, does that tell weither or not i'm root? [06:40] <JumpManJr> bob2 installation will not complete no matter what I do. [06:40] <Ice9> Dr_willis yes [06:41] <Dr_Willis> time to check the logs and learn the JOY of fighting with ATI.. :( ive spent many an hr doing it. [06:41] <JumpManJr> I get a failure on step of copy remaining packages to hard drive. When I go back and select that from the list it says I need 400 meg more in /var even with it on the second drive. [06:42] <shamus> I need something to play wav files, when I try and play an audio cd, it recognizes them as wavs and won;t play [06:42] <dennis__> shamus [06:42] <shamus> well, i have xmms but it gives me no sound [06:42] <dennis__> Rythmnbox? [06:42] <kevman> I had no trouble getting ATI's drivers installed... [06:42] <Dr_Willis> i had very little problems with my ATI9700 last time i used it. took me all of 3 min to get it working right. [06:42] <Milk> well.. its bed time [06:42] <Milk> thanks for the help [06:43] <Ice9> how reassuring lol [06:43] <Dr_Willis> but ive also found that the mb's chipset/agp stuff CAN be the problem. (on another box i never did get the ati to work right) [06:43] <\dev\goat> heh only took a couple mins to get 3d acceleration the first time, being a bitch on this fresh install tho [06:43] <nate_> I should use MPLAYER as an alternitive to Windows Media Player when watching music videos on the internet, right? [06:43] <JumpManJr> Sigh... I guess bob2 isn't around anymore. [06:43] <JumpManJr> Anyone else have any ideas? [06:44] <sartas> hey! my comp stopped playing music this morning,, the AUX channel on my stereo sounds really wrong.. and ALSA cant make a pipeline. OSS and ESD can, but i dont hear anything... [06:44] <mae> Hi, I just installed breezy colony-3 .. i am having an issue, i loaded my old config from hoary for xorg.conf.. and i am getting a strange thing "keyboard" driver not found.. [06:44] <HrdwrBoB> mae: yeah the keyboard driver changed [06:44] <sartas> please, i need my sound to work.. [06:44] <mae> HrdwrBoB: whats the new name? [06:45] <HrdwrBoB> mae: IIRC if you comment our that line it'll auto load the right one [06:45] <mae> HrdwrBoB: thanks [06:45] <Madpilot> hi everyone [06:45] <sartas> please.. [06:45] <sartas> anyon, help me! [06:45] <sartas> "hey! my comp stopped playing music this morning,, the AUX channel on my stereo sounds really wrong.. and ALSA cant make a pipeline. OSS and ESD can, but i dont hear anything..." [06:46] <sartas> i need help... [06:46] <mae> HrdwrBoB: when i comment out that now i get same thing lol, driver not found "keyboard" [06:46] <HrdwrBoB> heh [06:47] <Tripp> Does anyone know how to install pengaol, i'm new to linux. [06:47] <el_toro> mae: afaik the new driver is kbd--can someone else back me up? [06:47] <zoexi> I know my video card/monitor combo is capable of 1280x1024 (I saw it happen in windows), I check my xorg.conf file and see that it is listed as a mode in the display section. However, it is not an option when I go to system>preferences>screen resolution. It only lists up to 1024x768. Any idea as to what doesn't work? [06:47] <Dr_Willis> Tripp, try 'sudo apt-get install pengaol' yet? [06:48] <mae> el_toro: let me try that [06:49] <Gues10000> hi [06:49] <carlos> holas [06:49] <Gues10000> i need help with ubunutu linux which i just installed [06:49] <sartas> Please help me, my sound is gone, its just some crunching sound! [06:49] <sartas> i need it to work! [06:49] <sartas> please help me, someone.. [06:49] <Gues10000> is anyone having trouble inserting username and password [06:50] <Gues10000> but i cant even type it when installing [06:50] <sartas> what the fuck is wrong with UBUNTU!! [06:51] <sartas> now it closed firefox on its own.. and i didnt do anytjing.. [06:51] <Dr_Willis> sartas, ive have had very little probmes wth it. :P lol [06:51] <sartas> and it changes my bakground on its own [06:51] <Dr_Willis> sartas, perhaps it hates you? [06:51] <bimberi> !tell zoexi about resolution [06:51] <sartas> and it cant play my music, [06:51] <sartas> but it was playing it totaly fine yesterday [06:51] <Madpilot> hmmm... good reasons to have a powerful computer with lots of spare CPU cycles: http://xpenguins.seul.org/ ;) [06:51] <sartas> i want a computer that works.. [06:52] <sartas> gr... [06:52] <\dev\goat> omg finally i can have penguins walking all over my desktop [06:52] <\dev\goat> how did i live before this [06:53] <black13> what are the steps to rebuild the kernel? [06:53] <EasterSunshine> does anyone know the correct umask to set to allow drwxrwxrwx ? [06:53] <Madpilot> \dev\goat: it's even in Ubuntu's repositories, that's how I discovered it... ;) [06:53] <black13> or build a new kernel [06:53] <sartas> ubuntu sucks!! [06:53] <sartas> ... [06:53] <dracflamloc> i'm trying to use ndiswrapper to load a netgear usb MA111 card. the driver loads and shows as hardware present, but i cant configure wlan0? [06:53] <adriyel> madpilot , fsck /dev/goat [06:53] <benplaut> how can i connect a linux/ubuntu machine to a network so that on login your roaming profile is used? [06:54] <benplaut> for that matter, how can i set it up to login to the network? [06:54] <dbernar1> hi [06:54] <dbernar1> !fixres [06:54] <ubotu> fixres is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto [06:55] <bimberi> !tell black13 about kernelcompile [06:55] <sartas> please help me.. [06:55] <sartas> Please help me, my sound is gone, its just some crunching sound! [06:55] <sew3521> I need to access my windows partition of my harddrive someone pointed me to a script that automaticly mounted any windows/mac partitions...anyone here know what that script is called...or where i could look? [06:55] <Seveas> sartas, whining and ranting is a good way to get ignored, just like repeating [06:55] <sartas> yea.. [06:55] <Seveas> sew3521: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically [06:55] <sartas> i know [06:55] <sew3521> hey Serveas...thanks! your the one who helped me before [06:55] <Seveas> hehe [06:56] <sartas> but hell.. someone arent going to help me anyway, or people just dont know how.. [06:56] <mae> kbd didn't work either [06:56] <sartas> and i havent got anything other to do [06:56] <Seveas> sartas, we cannot know how, you did not provide ANY information... [06:56] <bimberi> hehe - "/faq..." [06:56] <linuxpoet> benplaut: which network are you trying to connect to? SMB? Ldap? Kerberos? Remote Pam? [06:56] <sartas> long up there i did (points up) [06:56] <geneo93> sartas: maybe turn off pnp in bios [06:56] <sartas> geneo93: how do i do that? :) [06:57] <benplaut> linuxpoet, not quite sure... it's a windows server, set up so that the windows computers can be logged into from any of the clients, and settings & files are broaght along with them [06:57] <geneo93> well if you dont know that i cant help you [06:57] <benplaut> nobody seems to know what the type of network is called [06:57] <benplaut> i think it's with samba, though [06:57] <punkass> ok i am trying to make my laptop (Acer 4101) do 1280x800..and i am not having much luck [06:57] <sartas> geneo93: i think i know how.. im gonna try it [06:58] <punkass> I am using the updated 915resolution and the gnome resolution tool actually says its 1280 but what it does is make the screen bigger then the actual montior [06:58] <punkass> any ideas?? [06:58] <punkass> so i have to actually use my mouse to slide the desktop around to see it all [06:59] <sartas> seveas: i started my computer a hour ago, and it told me that dcopserver maybe wasnt running (and i dont know howto check that), and the music was all chrunchy. i checked all the cable, nothing happened. on my stereo i switched from AUX to cd and the sound was fine there.. [06:59] <sartas> Seveas: so it is the computers fault [06:59] <Seveas> sartas, reboot the thing to get dcop running [07:00] <sartas> Seveas: i tried to change the sound engine, i had OSS running, usually i have ESD, i tested them but it couldnt make a test pipeline. ive rebooted 3 times now [07:00] <Seveas> if you use kde, then esd is pointless [07:00] <sartas> im gonna try geneos tips [07:00] <Seveas> kde has arts [07:00] <aru> what do I do with a .sh file? [07:00] <sartas> im using gnome [07:00] <Seveas> dcop is kde crud [07:00] <sartas> okay? [07:01] <Seveas> so that error is very suspicious if you use gnome [07:01] <sartas> can i manually make it running? [07:01] <sartas> but im using amarok [07:01] <Seveas> ah, ok [07:01] <sartas> thats running on a kde engine, right? [07:01] <Seveas> yes [07:01] <sartas> however, beep, rythmbox, xmms cant play sounds at all too [07:01] <Seveas> you need to ask a kde user, I refuse to use it so i cannot help you with amarok [07:01] <sartas> okay.. [07:02] <robotgeek> Seveas: :) [07:02] <sartas> man.. [07:02] <sartas> im gonna try geneos tips, ill be back [07:02] <durt> use alsa [07:02] <EasterSunshine> Seveas: you are always against ubuntuguide cause it doesn't let you know what you are exaclty doing, then why suggest the winmc mounting script thingy? [07:02] <benplaut> what do you guys recommend for pen-testing livecds? [07:03] <EasterSunshine> Seveas: i just spent two hours helping someone mount a vfat partition with rwxrwxrwx, and i learned a whole lot [07:03] <Madpilot> EasterSunshine: how about writing that up in the wiki? (seriously...!) [07:03] <Seveas> EasterSunshine, good question but allow me to answer it in a few hours - gotta run now [07:03] <EasterSunshine> Seveas: as opposed to using the script, it reminds me of something from ubuntuguide [07:03] <mae> argh i'm gonna try updating [07:03] <EasterSunshine> Seveas: okay, see ya later [07:04] <La_PaRCa> um... isnt gajim supposed to be in hoary universe now? [07:05] <el_toro> mae: what error are you getting? [07:06] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <dolfo> IH [07:07] <dolfo> IH [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <La_PaRCa> um... isnt gajim supposed to be in hoary universe now? [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <bimberi> dolfo: please stop that [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <bimberi> !ops [07:07] <Madpilot> !ops [07:07] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia! [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <zealot> does anyone know how can I make a slave hard drive just mounted at /mnt/slave into an icon in the gui in "places"? [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:07] <dolfo> HI [07:08] <dolfo> HI [07:08] <dolfo> OK [07:08] <el_toro> La_PaRCa: yes, afaik [07:08] <Madpilot> La_PaRCa: it doesn't seem to be - I saw someone's blog post about it, though... [07:08] <mdz_> dolfo: are you finished? [07:08] <el_toro> Madpilot: it's there for me [07:08] <La_PaRCa> Madpilot, thats why I am asking. Maybe its just in for Breezy universe? [07:09] <La_PaRCa> el_toro, its probably in backports then [07:09] <el_toro> La_PaRCa: ah, sorry i'm running Breezy [07:09] <dolfo> HEV BRAZILEIRO [07:09] <el_toro> silly me. [07:09] <EasterSunshine> why is dolfo still here... [07:09] <La_PaRCa> el_toro, ah... yeah, thats why [07:10] <Madpilot> el_toro: ah, OK. Hoary user here, and I just tried updating Synaptic, too. No gajim [07:10] <benplaut> ubotu tell dolfo about br [07:10] <benplaut> woops [07:10] <benplaut> wrong one [07:10] <zealot> does anyone know how can I make a slave hard drive just mounted at /mnt/slave into an icon in the gui in "places"? [07:10] <Dr_Willis> hmm - ive never noticed where the 'places' stuff comes from. :P [07:10] <Hmmmm> anyone using e17 out here? [07:11] <zealot> dr_willis, how about an icon in the desktop? [07:11] <el_toro> Madpilot: i think you could compile from source if you really wanted to--the depends don't look too bad [07:11] <dolfo> I`M BRAZILIAN MY INGLESH IS NOT VERY GOOD [07:11] <Dr_Willis> zealot, that should be fairly trivial. just make a link from where its mounted perhaps. [07:11] <EasterSunshine> zealot: ln -s /mnt/slave ~/Desktop/Slave [07:11] <Madpilot> el_toro: I'm not really that interested, just curious [07:11] <EasterSunshine> zealot: i think that will make a link on the desktop, unless i mde a small little error, someone please catch it if i did [07:12] <EasterSunshine> dolfo: damn stragiht your english is not good... [07:12] <EasterSunshine> do they speak spanish is brazil? [07:12] <el_toro> EasterSunshine: portuguese.. [07:12] <bimberi> portugese [07:12] <zealot> that did it [07:12] <zealot> that created a link to the slave, as a folder... wish some day i'll have it as a drive, heheheh [07:12] <ixiz> I have an Intel Pentium M processor in my laptop (Centrino), which mplayer package should I choose to install then? [07:13] <ixiz> is that the i686 og i386 [07:13] <zealot> thanks EasterSunshine, you helped me a bunch today [07:13] <ixiz> or 586 [07:13] <jesper> ixiz: i686 [07:13] <EasterSunshine> refer him to ubuntu's protugese channel if you think they'll be able to handle him [07:13] <Madpilot> zealot: I think everything's a folder/file in Linux - no drives like Windows designates [07:13] <EasterSunshine> zealot: np :) [07:13] <zealot> :) [07:13] <simon__> very new to ubuntu [07:13] <EasterSunshine> Madpilot: there are more than folders and files [07:13] <simon__> need help [07:13] <EasterSunshine> Madpilot: softlinks, hardlinks, mount points, devices [07:14] <La_PaRCa> simon__, state you age, sex and problem [07:14] <simon__> i just want to play the music off my memory stick [07:14] <simon__> 20, male [07:14] <La_PaRCa> xD [07:14] <Madpilot> EasterSunshine: true enough, but no drives like Windows designates as a seperate thing, AFAIK [07:14] <simon__> can you help? [07:14] <La_PaRCa> simon__, um... state your problem I guess [07:14] <zealot> goodnight fellas... thanks for all your help. i'll see you tomorrow [07:15] <HrdwrBoB> !ask [07:15] <La_PaRCa> sex/age should be channel policy xD [07:15] <EasterSunshine> Madpilot: what is afaik? [07:15] <simon__> i would like to play music off of my USB port memory stick [07:15] <dolfo> NO THANKS ,DO YOU SPEAK ANOTHER LENGUAGE [07:15] <La_PaRCa> !afaik [07:15] <ubotu> La_PaRCa: No idea [07:15] <Madpilot> EasterSunshine: As Far As I Know [07:15] <simon__> but the musicbox player wont let me put my mp3's in the library [07:15] <La_PaRCa> ubotu afaik is As Far As I Know [07:15] <ubotu> La_PaRCa: okay [07:15] <EasterSunshine> ah yse i remember now [07:15] <La_PaRCa> ubotu tell simon about RestrictedFormats [07:15] <Madpilot> simon__: do you have mp3 codecs added? [07:16] <simon__> no how do i get them? [07:16] <EasterSunshine> oh no dolfo pmed me =/ [07:16] <Poromies> anyone have any KDE ftp-clients to recommend? [07:16] <La_PaRCa> ubotu tell simon__ about codecs [07:16] <benplaut> dolfo: other languages go in there specific channels [07:16] <benplaut> and lower your caps lock [07:16] <ixiz> and one last question which I can't find on google either: i get an error in rhytmbox when trying to open a .pls on shoutcast.com it says: 'There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type aduio/mpeg' [07:17] <adriyel> hunger... [07:17] <ixiz> I guess need a special package with somekind of mpeg support [07:17] <ixiz> but what is it called? [07:17] <deFrysk> gstreamer08-mad [07:17] <deFrysk> or something [07:17] <benplaut> !mpeg [07:17] <ubotu> Wish i knew, benplaut [07:17] <benplaut> grr [07:17] <benplaut> !mpg [07:17] <benplaut> ? [07:17] <ubotu> benplaut: I don't know [07:17] <ixiz> thank you very much :) [07:17] <deFrysk> ! restricted formats [07:17] <ubotu> hmm... restricted formats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs' [07:18] <benplaut> thanks [07:18] <deFrysk> look there ixiz [07:18] <simon__> madpilot: can you help me figure out this music player problem i am having? [07:19] <Madpilot> simon__: if it's just mp3 playing you need, see the URLs you've already been sent by ubotu [07:19] <simon__> ahh [07:19] <simon__> i c [07:19] <sartas> geneo93: THANKS LOADS!! The sound is working now! [07:19] <deFrysk> ubotu, is this rooms bot-brain [07:19] <ubotu> No idea, deFrysk [07:19] <sartas> thanks, thanks, thanks! [07:19] <ixiz> is wiki.ubuntu.com a site where u can find almost anything? [07:20] <deFrysk> ixiz, yup [07:20] <ixiz> cause I always get links to that page [07:20] <ixiz> oh didn't knew :) [07:20] <geneo93> sartas: np [07:20] <ian> what is the best program for ubuntu to detect wifi signals.? [07:20] <deFrysk> ixiz, also see topic (if anyone ever would) [07:20] <Madpilot> ixiz: it's the main Ubuntu "manual", sort of. [07:21] <\dev\goat> xpenguins crashes when they touch the GkrellM window :p [07:21] <el_toro> ian: as in a network-manager type thing? [07:21] <zcat[1] > kismet ? [07:21] <simon__> where do i find the Synaptic repositories dialog box? [07:22] <bimberi> simon__: Settings menu [07:22] <ian> yes... el_toro.. [07:22] <geneo93> simon__: click setting tab [07:22] <Madpilot> ubotu tell simon__ about repos [07:23] <zcat[1] > System / Administration / Synaptic [07:23] <el_toro> well...if you're runnning hoary i'd say you're out of luck network-manager wise, but if you're running breezy it's pretty easy to install [07:23] <Madpilot> simon__: the url you were just sent has all the repository information you'll need [07:23] <zcat[1] > hmm NM [07:23] <simon__> i dont understand all of the language [07:23] <ixiz> gosh I didin't know that page :-o [07:23] <geneo93> ubotu: is out to lunch [07:23] <ubotu> geneo93: No idea [07:23] <ixiz> sorry for all those stupid questions lol [07:23] <simon__> will keep trying [07:24] <Madpilot> !ubotu [07:24] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/ [07:25] <zcat[1] > Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz MD5Sum mismatch [07:25] <zcat[1] > :-( [07:25] <zcat[1] > Whay's it do that? [07:25] <Madpilot> simon__: ask here if there's something you don't understand - and some of the wiki pages could be cleaned up, it's true [07:26] <Poromies> zcat[1] : try downloading that file again, or try it again little later (that could be a corrupt file on the server hosting the repository) [07:27] <zcat[1] > does it a LOT.. I suspect my ISP's tramsparent proxy is screwing them up.. [07:27] <Poromies> :( [07:27] <geneo93> zcat[1] : try apt-get clean then try installing again [07:27] <sartas> is .txt licensed by microsoft, people? [07:28] <zcat[1] > :-) (R) [07:28] <Madpilot> sartas: that sounds unlikely... but stranger things are possible... [07:29] <zcat[1] > They're probably applied for a patent already.. [07:29] <sartas> MadPilot: but gedit cant save in txt, right? [07:29] <Madpilot> sartas: sure it can - at least, mine can... [07:29] <Madpilot> is it just not adding the .txt file suffix? [07:29] <sartas> just by putting .txt after the file name? [07:30] <sartas> okay ^^ [07:30] <geneo93> sartas: yes if you use sudo [07:30] <deFrysk> yes [07:30] <bimberi> :-) (how much to i owe you zcat[1] ) [07:30] <zcat[1] > You owe MS.. they patented emoticons!! FFS!! [07:30] <Madpilot> geneo93: you don't have to use sudo just to save a .txt... [07:30] <sartas> okay ^^ [07:30] <bimberi> lol [07:30] <mrquick> anyone ever seen this problem? uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: Unlink after no-IRQ? [07:31] <zcat[1] > They probably did it so they can crosslicence with despair.inc who have :-( trademarked.. [07:31] <sartas> geneo93: madpilot is right, no need to sudo [07:31] <geneo93> Madpilot: depends where it is [07:31] <sartas> /home/sartas xD [07:31] <Madpilot> geneo93: if it's a conf file, then it's not a .txt anyway, and you probably do need sudo [07:32] <durt> ian: try wifi-radar http://www.bitbuilder.com/wifi_radar/ [07:32] <Madpilot> but if it's just a normal txt file in your own $user directory, there's no need for sudo at all [07:33] <nate_> When I watch movies in Totem, the sound comes before image, how do I fix this? [07:33] <ginger> Can anyone help me with USB and Hoary? [07:33] <nate_> Like you'll hear something before you see it [07:33] <geneo93> have to go cyas [07:34] <zcat[1] > problem solved; if I use ftp: instead of http: it works :) [07:34] <zcat[1] > (at least until my fsckwit ISP miscaches the ftp versions too) [07:34] <Buuyo^> Hi. Is it possible to upgrade with apt-get to the x64 ubuntu? Want to avoid reinstalling. [07:35] <ginger> Can anyone help me with USB and Hoary? [07:35] <durt> nate_: not sure but totem xine seems to work better than totem gs with sound and overall [07:37] <nate_> apt-get install...? for totem xine. [07:37] <zcat[1] > totem-xine [07:37] <nate_> thanks [07:37] <drew> are there any other IM programs aside from Kopete and Gaim? [07:37] <zcat[1] > apt-cache search helps too :) [07:38] <zcat[1] > drew: one or two.. [07:38] <glick> yay one page done of my 5 page term paper [07:38] <ark3qqq> I recently reinstalled Windows; doing that blew away grub. What's a good way to reinstall grub so that I can boot into Hoary again? [07:38] <glick> damn i hate term papers, isnt there som open source program that writes them for you [07:38] <drew> acat[1] what are they? [07:38] <esc> how do you open .package files? I have the gaim package file and for some reason it tries to open with gedit. any ideas? [07:39] <zcat[1] > cant remember, but there's lots. jabber/gabber is good. [07:39] <durt> esc: you have to make it executable [07:40] <nate_> does it replace the old totem? [07:40] <esc> durt how do I do that? [07:40] <durt> esc: sudo chmod a+x whater.package [07:40] <durt> nate_, yes [07:41] <nate_> ok thanks :D [07:41] <drew> zcat[1] what are those IM programs called? [07:42] <Madpilot> ark3qqq: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [07:42] <aru> whats aclocal? [07:42] <esc> thanks durt [07:42] <esc> working now [07:42] <zcat[1] > apt-cache search " im " will give you some [07:42] <drew> k thanks [07:42] <ark3qqq> Madpilot: Thanks much. [07:44] <mrquick> does anyone know how I can go about assigning a device a specific irq within linux or in hotplug? [07:46] <zcat[1] > brb, I hope.. [07:49] <javier_> hi, can anyone help me , how do i see the windows hard disk on my computer from ubuntu? its the first time that i put this s.o. on my computer [07:50] <AndieB> Hi there! [07:50] <AndieB> I have a question (newbie). [07:51] <AndieB> I downloaded a DEBIAN package. How do I install it? [07:51] <deleric> quit [07:52] <NoUse> dpkg -i file.deb [07:52] <iiiears> sudo dpkg -i <my.deb> [07:53] <javier_> hi there! [07:53] <ubuntu> yea [07:53] <ubuntu> where u from [07:53] <DekaPink> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1564 This happens when gmplayer finishes playing a file... and it'll just close... Is there anyway to stop that? [07:54] <javier_> can anyone helpme to see the windows hard disk from ubuntu? i need to see some files from windows [07:54] <javier_> (newbie) [07:54] <ubuntu> is it in ntfs or fat31 [07:54] <ubuntu> sory fat32 [07:54] <iiiears> javier - winmac_fstab [07:55] <javier_> its a SATA0 disk [07:55] <iiiears> ubotu winmac_fstab [07:55] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, iiiears [07:55] <Pimpachu> How do I start SSH server on Ubuntu [07:55] <iiiears> ubotu ntfs [07:55] <\dev\goat`work> http://www.linuxforum.com/linux_tutorials/1/1.php [07:55] <iiiears> somebody said ntfs was the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions. [07:55] <\dev\goat`work> afk really this time~ [07:55] <DekaPink> Anyone know what's going on with my mplayer up there, then? :) [07:56] <javier_> thanks iiiears, i will try . [07:56] <iiiears> ubotu ssh [07:56] <ubotu> I heard ssh is "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto/" [07:56] <orlok> Hmm. [07:56] <ubuntu> can any one help me abt gateserver in linux [07:56] <orlok> i just changed motherboards [07:56] <orlok> now X doesnt work :-\ [07:57] <ubuntu> plz it's emergency [07:57] <orlok> well, not properly. [07:58] <benplaut> w00t! [07:58] <benplaut> google talk is out! [07:58] <iiiears> gateserver?? - connection sharing using ubuntu linux connected to the net and forwarding packets to other machines behind it? [07:59] <simonvallore_> hello [07:59] <simonvallore_> COuld some one help me compile netcat [07:59] <iiiears> ubotu connectionsharing [07:59] <ubotu> iiiears: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [07:59] <cyphase> benplaut, what's so special about it? [07:59] <cyphase> really.. [07:59] <levander`> I'm trying to set up my mail client to access gmail via pop. Anybody know if the gmail pop server is just down? [07:59] <x3ndou> Aha [07:59] <x3ndou> I don't believe so [07:59] <cyphase> i can think of a few things that might be different then other IM systems, but.. [08:00] <benplaut> it'll give jabber alot moer popularity [08:00] <upgrdman> what daemon is responsible for gamin_server? i dont see a listing for it inside /etc/init.d/ [08:00] <nalioth> levander`: have you set your client up to jump thru googles hoops? [08:00] <NoUse> benplaut I'll be happy when it supports jabber-to-jabber connectivity [08:00] <cyphase> benplaut, people won't care about the protocol [08:00] <x3ndou> I just set up vmware workstation and it's having trouble setting up the internet stuff [08:00] <NoUse> benplaut until then, Its nothing special [08:00] <simonvallore_> COuld some one help me compile netcat [08:00] <simonvallore_> COuld some one help me compile netcat [08:00] <x3ndou> It's not finding what it's looking for in /dev [08:00] <levander`> nalioth: hoops? I'm trying to use fetchmail to login to pop.gmail.com with my username and password is all [08:00] <benplaut> NoUse, oh, i didn't know it didn't/// [08:00] <cyphase> all the IM systems could use jabber, and they'd still be known as MSN, Aim, and Yahoo [08:00] <levander`> nalioth: 'telnet pop.gmail.com' times out here. [08:00] <cyphase> normal people don't care about the protocol [08:00] <nalioth> levander`: gmail requires TLS [08:00] <NoUse> benplaut you can't im anyone outside of talk.google.com [08:01] <levander`> nalioth: you know if fetchmail supports TLS? [08:01] <benplaut> NoUse, oh... well, it's still pretty cool 8) [08:01] <crimsun_> levander, it does [08:01] <NoUse> cyphase not really, if they all used jabber, you wouldn't need a separate login for each [08:01] <cyphase> benplaut, why though? [08:01] <nalioth> levander`: not sure about fetchmail, i leave tbird runnin all the time [08:02] <cyphase> NoUse, that's beside the point [08:02] <DekaPink> Huh... gmplayer doesn't seem to be erroring anymore and I didn't do anything. Go team me. [08:02] <floo> can anyone tell me which program is good for webcam chat? [08:02] <NoUse> cyphase not for me, I'd love that [08:02] <levander`> nalioth: 'telnet pop.gmail.com 25' always fails, or is it just failing now? That's usually how I check to see if a mailserver is up and running. Although now that I think about it, that's the sendmail port, not the pop port. What's the pop port? [08:02] <ginger> okay, the reason i'm asking this is that the usb was working in warty on this machine - then i did a clean install of warty - didn't test usb - and upgraded to hoary from apt. i cannot get any signs of usb life - my dmesg is giving me ohci_hcd: 2004 Nov 08 USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Driver (PCI) [08:02] <cyphase> NoUse, so would I, but it's beside the point i was trying to make [08:02] <ginger> any help? [08:02] <benplaut> cyphase, well, it provides an opportunity to get all of my semi-tecky friends to get something other than AIM, Y!M, MSN... jabber is too complex/vaugue for them [08:03] <benplaut> better google talk than those [08:03] <nalioth> levander`: log into your gmail account via a web browser, and there's a page there to tell you all the ports, tls requirements and all [08:03] <upgrdman> what daemon is responsible for gamin_server? i dont see a listing for it inside /etc/init.d/ [08:03] <cyphase> benplaut, google talk uses jabber [08:03] <benplaut> i know [08:03] <cyphase> won't it be complex/vague for them then? [08:03] <benplaut> but it's a helluva lot easier to set up [08:03] <cyphase> i don't think jabber is complex by the way [08:03] <benplaut> especially with the google client [08:03] <cyphase> uhh.. [08:03] <cyphase> why is it easier? [08:03] <cyphase> because they don't have to type an URL? [08:03] <crimsun_> upgrdman, do you mean gam_server? [08:04] <upgrdman> maybe [08:04] <benplaut> cyphase, pretty much, they're not getting around the thing of jabber being more like email than IM [08:04] <crimsun_> upgrdman, if so, that's in /usr/lib/gamin/ [08:04] <levander`> nalioth: yeah, i was just looking at the instructions for a regular client to connect. You know the GUI instructions with the screenshots. I'll look for that page that's more detailed. [08:04] <cyphase> "It's like sending an instant email" [08:04] <cyphase> that's it [08:04] <cyphase> what's not to get? [08:04] <cyphase> :) [08:04] <nalioth> levander`: it's under "other client" [08:04] <upgrdman> crimsun, ok, but killall -9 gamin_server, and it comes right back... how do i do the equiv. of "/etc/init.d/blah stop" [08:05] <benplaut> cyphase, when i say semi-tecky, i mean posers who don't really want to learn much :P [08:05] <crimsun_> upgrdman, you probably don't want that, because the GNOME infrastructure uses it [08:05] <ubuntu> emergency!! [08:05] <benplaut> ask away [08:05] <upgrdman> crimsun, well then a restart [08:05] <upgrdman> its not letting me umount a partition [08:05] <ubuntu> plz help for linux gatewaay server [08:05] <upgrdman> which is stupid [08:05] <upgrdman> and its the only thing lsof shows [08:05] <crimsun_> upgrdman, -HUP it [08:06] <upgrdman> thx [08:06] <x3ndou> holy crap [08:06] <x3ndou> the volume control just hung up on my ppc [08:06] <crimsun_> unfortunately ppc sound is a bit quirky; hopefully it's much more stable in Breezy. Test with a Colony 3 live cd if at all possible. [08:07] <upgrdman> crimsun, HUP and it still comes back [08:07] <ginger> maybe there's a ubunut-usb channel i'm missing here... [08:07] <crimsun_> upgrdman, do you have any Nautilus windows open to it? [08:07] <benplaut> ubuntu, ask a question, and ye shall get an answer [08:07] <cyphase> anyone here have any suggestions for techniques to manage data in gnome? [08:07] <nalioth> crimsun_: i've had my fun with a 22aug05 daily install build for ppc [08:07] <upgrdman> nope, but my desktop has a link to it, and nautilus displays my desktop. but its not opened [08:07] <cyphase> i'm writing a paper on it [08:08] <crimsun_> upgrdman, does it respawn if you -9 it? [08:08] <upgrdman> yes, i was using 9 to begin with [08:08] <Pimpachu> Is there a Flash for 64 bit Linux? [08:09] <upgrdman> crimsun, fuck it. i was hoping it would be a easy thing to work around. i'll just reboot the box its on [08:09] <Hmmmm> hey sukrit [08:09] <crimsun_> upgrdman, can you sudo kill -HUP `pidof gam_server` && sudo umount /mountpoint ? [08:09] <sukrit> hello the Hmmmm [08:10] <javier_> iiiears it works, thanks a lot! [08:11] <iiiears> thank crimsun - he showed me h [08:12] <sukrit> anone here usin e17? [08:12] <kairu0> no [08:12] <benplaut> go into #ubuntuforums and talk to bored2k [08:13] <kairu0> i can run zsnes as root, but when i run it as anyone else i get a segmentation fault. any ideas? [08:14] <kairu0> ? [08:15] <punkass> anyone now how to call rhythmbox from streamtuner? [08:15] <Tripp> Pengaol has been extracted in my home folder, and i'm now in root terminal, does anyone know how to install pengaol? [08:15] <punkass> by default its xmms %q, but rhythmbox %q doesnt seem to work [08:15] <x3ndou> yeah, we need more smart people in here [08:15] <levander`> Anybody got a working user line for gmail? Here's what I got: "user 'xxxx@gmail.com' there with password 'xxxx' is 'levander' here options fetchall ssl" [08:16] <levander`> That doesn't work with some error about no greeting timestamp in APOP [08:16] <topyli> levander: mine works, let me see [08:16] <cyphase> does anyone here have any suggestions for techniques to manage data in gnome? [08:16] <cyphase> they don't have to be currently implemented [08:16] <iiiears> punkass - guessing there is a python script to link xmms to streamtuner. might need a linking script? [08:17] <sukrit> cyphase: can you explain a lil more what you are looking to do [08:17] <topyli> levander: poll pop.gmail.com with proto POP3 [08:17] <topyli> levander: user 'xxxxx' there with password 'xxxx' is 'xxxx' here options keep ssl [08:17] <punkass> iiiears: not sure...just under preferences in streamtuner there is a spot to type your app [08:17] <iiiears> maybe tailor the script to call rythmbox [08:17] <TheRaginAsian> heeeelllooo all [08:17] <TheRaginAsian> juuuust installed Colony 3 [08:18] <TheRaginAsian> is it smart to do a full update right after install? [08:18] <x3ndou> What, are your keys getting stuck? [08:18] <cyphase> sukrit, i'm writing a paper about information mangement in gnome. i'm just doing some research on techniques, programs, etc that can help [08:18] <punkass> iiiears: i am not even sure how to call a .pls file for rhythmbox from command line [08:18] <cyphase> currently implemented or not [08:18] <sukrit> oh ok [08:18] <sukrit> well last time i met nat and miguel they were talking about a unified data managemnt system for gnome [08:19] <levander`> topyli: the only difference between our two lines is that you have a "keep" option, and I have a "fetchall" option. That shouldn't matter. [08:19] <cyphase> yea, i had that idea as well [08:19] <sukrit> checkout mailing lists for posts from either of the two fellas [08:19] <topyli> levander: yeah, there must be another problem [08:19] <cyphase> i have [08:19] <cyphase> your talking about dashboard i think [08:19] <sukrit> beagle, gaim, evolution... are supposedly the first victims of the gnomes file system [08:19] <cyphase> yea [08:19] <levander`> topyli: actual, i'm polling gmail with APOP, you're polling it with POP3, that's the problem. Thanks. [08:19] <sukrit> dashboard too is based on that idea [08:20] <esc> argh [08:20] <sukrit> but dashboard doesnt really have data of its own [08:20] <topyli> levander: :-) [08:20] <sukrit> whereas gaim, evolution have data of their own [08:20] <esc> I'm seriously having problems with dependencies [08:20] <sukrit> which will be moved into a common space [08:20] <cyphase> yea [08:20] <benplaut> esc, what?! with apt repos?! [08:20] <kairu0> i can run zsnes as root, but when i run it as anyone else i get a segmentation fault. any ideas? [08:21] <cyphase> i'm thinking of a centtral database for bookmarks, notes, address book, eeds, etc [08:21] <cyphase> feeds* [08:21] <esc> benplaut - yeah, dont know why. everything I try to install doesnt work... [08:21] <esc> for example [08:21] <esc> I'm trying to install azureus [08:21] <sukrit> i think all data should be stored in a unified space [08:21] <sukrit> and accessed by independant apps [08:21] <esc> The following packages have unmet dependencies: [08:21] <esc> azureus: Depends: sun-j2sdk1.5 but it is not installable or [08:21] <esc> java2-runtime but it is not installable [08:21] <esc> E: Broken packages [08:21] <cyphase> yes [08:21] <TheRaginAsian> kairu0: does it have to be run as root is that the deal? [08:21] <bob2> bluesky ideas like that need to be accompanied by prototype code [08:21] <sukrit> esc: apt-get install azureus [08:22] <bob2> I think we should all have ponies [08:22] <bob2> sukrit: how will that help esc, whose problem is a lake of a JDK? [08:22] <topyli> we all don't? [08:22] <bob2> esc: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [08:22] <sukrit> esc: first apt-get install j2sdk [08:22] <kairu0> theragin: i dont want to run it as root. i think theres a permissions problem that wont let others run zsnes. [08:22] <bob2> s/lake/lack/ [08:22] <kairu0> theragin: maybe a video device permission problem? [08:22] <esc> apt-get install azureus is how I got that error [08:22] <TheRaginAsian> perhaps, would not know for sure [08:23] <bob2> esc: read that wiki page and install java [08:23] <topyli> bob2: you poor thing, are you poniless? :( [08:23] <HrdwrBoB> toplyi:http://photos1.flickr.com/8850_143dbaf5d4_m.jpg [08:23] <sukrit> esc: read ubuntuguide.org [08:23] <topyli> i really need to get rid of this capslock key [08:23] <punkass> bob2: remember my Acer laptop that "Failed at linux"? [08:23] <sukrit> and install java [08:23] <sukrit> 11:53 < topyli> bob2: you poor thing, are you poniless? :( [08:23] <sukrit> 11:54 -!- r4ndy- [n=r4ndy@tor/session/x-690ab9420e8c860a] has quit [Ping [08:23] <sukrit> timeout: 14400 seconds] [08:24] <esc> sukrit - I have. I added the extra repositories as described in the guide [08:24] <esc> and everything I try to install I have problems... [08:24] <punkass> bob2: breezy colony3, almost everything working execpt for battery polling and hibernation [08:24] <sukrit> and u cant get j2sdk to install? [08:24] <topyli> sukrit: oh, that's so crues [08:24] <topyli> cruel even [08:24] <bob2> punkass: nice [08:25] <punkass> bob2: yes :) makes me happy [08:25] <esc> nope [08:25] <bob2> esc: so, read the wiki page I pointed you at [08:25] <esc> ok reading now [08:25] <jkindy> hey how do i change the password i set up? [08:25] <ubuntu> #ubuntu channel [08:25] <sukrit> jkindy: passwd [08:25] <jkindy> thanks [08:25] <deFrysk> upgraded here to breezy yesterday (x86) it went flawlessly [08:28] <jkindy> any tutorials out there that teach u linux..like lerning the codes to type in the terminal [08:28] <durt> esc: search for stuff at ap-get.org [08:28] <thoreauputic> jkindy: http://tuxfiles.org is a good starting point [08:28] <bob2> please don't recommend apt-get.org to people [08:28] <sukrit> jkindy: you new to computing? [08:28] <bob2> unless you're will to explain to them in what ways it will screw up their system [08:28] <sukrit> yolinux.com is also a good link [08:28] <jkindy> ned to linux [08:28] <jkindy> new [08:29] <ubuntu> hi [08:29] <sukrit> bob2: how can apt-get screw up a system [08:29] <HrdwrBoB> jkindy: thye're not codes, it's not a secret :) [08:29] <ubuntu> excuse me [08:29] <sukrit> its meant to make installing shit easier, aint it? [08:29] <ubuntu> i would like to know [08:29] <bob2> sukrit: what? [08:29] <ubuntu> how i can [08:29] <ubuntu> simulate [08:29] <ubuntu> ubuntu [08:29] <bob2> sukrit: installing random crap from apt-get.org can easily break your system [08:29] <ubuntu> on my normal system [08:29] <durt> apt-get.org is good [08:29] <thoreauputic> sukrit: it's not apt that would screw up - it's the sources you get from that site [08:29] <bob2> it's good if you know how to use it [08:29] <sukrit> oh ok [08:29] <ubuntu> excuse me! [08:30] <bob2> ubuntu: please stop it [08:30] <ubuntu> please dont ignore me [08:30] <sukrit> but i guess the sources that come by default with ubuntu are ok right? [08:30] <bob2> ubuntu: you need to ask a whole question [08:30] <bob2> on one line [08:30] <bob2> stating what you want to have happen [08:30] <ubuntu> i would like to know how to simulate ubuntu in my normal windows xp system [08:30] <bob2> "simulate ubuntu on my normal system" is not very descriptive [08:30] <bob2> ubuntu: go get the live CD then and boot into it [08:30] <ubuntu> emulate [08:30] <ubuntu> like on a window [08:30] <sukrit> ubuntu: buy vmware and install ubuntu using it [08:31] <ubuntu> ... [08:31] <\dev\goat`work> virtual pc [08:31] <laserline> Hello everyone [08:31] <bob2> ubuntu: if you mean "Run Ubuntu inside Windows.", then www.vmware.com and have your credit card ready [08:31] <ubuntu> virtual pc? [08:31] <sukrit> hey laserline [08:31] <ubuntu> o thx [08:31] <bob2> or Qemu [08:31] <laserline> i would be glad for some assistence... [08:31] <Madpilot> jkindy: http://linuxcommand.org/ [08:31] <bob2> but that will require reading documentation, etc [08:31] <ubuntu> any free stuff? [08:31] <sukrit> laserline: shoot [08:31] <bob2> ubuntu: google for qemu then [08:32] <sukrit> ubuntu: ya there free stuff... knock off windows, install linux. then run windows in ubuntu [08:32] <paulproteus> laserline: Ask your question. [08:32] <Madpilot> jkindy: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands [08:32] <ubuntu> what is qmu [08:32] <laserline> I own a Fujitsu Siemens S-4546, Working with Ubuntu 5.04 for 5 months now, I ave ACPI problems... [08:32] <bob2> ubuntu: no, go use google [08:32] <esc> ok, I follow the instructions on adding repositories...but I am still having the same problem. [08:32] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: google is your friend [08:32] <ubuntu> which program do i need for emulation? [08:32] <uthini> why is the ubuntu repository so out of date with nvidia drivers? [08:32] <ubuntu> in that vmware.com [08:32] <bob2> esc: ignore all documentation aisde from wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [08:32] <laserline> yesterday i got my battery fixed, and i'm able to suspend and hibernate [08:32] <bob2> ubuntu: again, use google [08:32] <sukrit> esc: do u already have java installedo n ur system? [08:32] <esc> no [08:33] <ubuntu> excuse me, which software do i need from vmware.com to simulate ubuntu? [08:33] <bob2> uthini: er, it's not that out of date. hoary froze in like january, remember [08:33] <laserline> but when the system comes back from hibernation all is well except esd taking 100% juice and i have to kill it. [08:33] <bob2> ubuntu: have you actually read their website? [08:33] <ubuntu> no... [08:33] <ubuntu> where in the webstie [08:33] <el_toro> heh [08:33] <bob2> ubuntu: then do so [08:33] <ubuntu> website [08:33] <ubuntu> please [08:33] <bob2> ubuntu: no, be quiet and read the website [08:33] <ubuntu> fine [08:33] <bob2> enjoy [08:33] <uthini> bob2, unfortunately i don't remember cos i only got ubuntu 3weeks ago [08:33] <deFrysk> mindless questions [08:33] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: this is an ubuntu help channel - we can't give help on vmware [08:33] <paulproteus> lol, ubuntu! :) [08:33] <bob2> asking us to read a website for you is a bit silly [08:33] <laserline> when it comes back from sleep (ram suspension) network doesn;t come back.... it says device not found and only reboot fixes it... [08:33] <esc> The following packages have unmet dependencies: [08:33] <esc> azureus: Depends: sun-j2sdk1.5 but it is not installable or [08:33] <esc> java2-runtime but it is not installable [08:33] <ubuntu> sorry [08:34] <bob2> the product you'd want is "vmware workstation" [08:34] <ubuntu> can u give me a link? [08:34] <bob2> esc: so, stop pasting crap and read [08:34] <deFrysk> mindless flooding.. [08:34] <uthini> on another note, how can i setup my machine to accept terminal server/remote desktop connections? [08:34] <bob2> esc: what didn't work on wiki.ubuntu.com/Java? [08:34] <laserline> anyne could help with the ACPI ? [08:34] <ubuntu> bob2 are u an ubuntu supporter? [08:34] <uthini> do i use the remote desktop settings in the admin menu? [08:34] <Madpilot> deFrysk: just another evening on #ubuntu... ;) [08:34] <bob2> laserline: report a bug on the linux component [08:34] <bob2> ubuntu: oh, stop it [08:34] <_frank> uthini: install ssh server [08:34] <bob2> you're not going to shame me into thinking you're not lazy [08:34] <paulproteus> bob2: You're either with Ubuntu or against it! [08:34] <ubuntu> ... [08:34] <ubuntu> u are rude [08:34] <laserline> bob2 - how do i do that ? this is the first bug i encounter... [08:35] <deFrysk> Madpilot, morning here and coffe hasnt kicked in yet :s [08:35] <esc> sorry guys. [08:35] <durt> esc http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ [08:35] <paulproteus> bob2: And ubuntu is the *name* of Ubuntu! [08:35] <esc> ok [08:35] <adriyel> wtf? [08:35] <bob2> ubuntu: and you're being ridiculously lazy [08:35] <esc> I added hoary-extras [08:35] <ubuntu> o well [08:35] <ubuntu> lets shake hands [08:35] <bob2> laserline: bugzilla.ubuntu.com, linux is the component [08:35] <adriyel> www.google.com [08:35] <ubuntu> and stop the argue [08:35] <benplaut> ubotu tell ubuntu about google [08:35] <adriyel> I assume your keyboard is functional Ubuntu [08:35] <esc> but when I search for sun-j2re1.5 [08:35] <bob2> ubuntu: stop flooding the channel please, it's highly annoying [08:35] <esc> nothing comes up [08:35] <laserline> laserline: ok [08:35] <Madpilot> deFrysk: 2330 here and I've just opened a beer... [08:35] <laserline> ok [08:35] <bob2> esc: so, stop [08:35] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: please stop - bob2 is always helpful: you haven't done your homework [08:35] <cihad> hi [08:35] <adriyel> noise:signal ratio falling.... [08:35] <paulproteus> esc: That's sad. Did you run aptitude update? [08:35] <cihad> peoples [08:35] <deFrysk> Madpilot, lucky you [08:35] <ompaul> ubuntu, go read uncle google he has many, many good tails to tell if you ask him correctly :) [08:35] <ubuntu> bye guys [08:35] <ubuntu> :D [08:35] <ubuntu> o yea [08:35] <ubuntu> bob2 [08:35] <adriyel> thats tales :P [08:36] <ubuntu> i wonder [08:36] <ubuntu> if there is any free software? [08:36] <cihad> selam millet [08:36] <ompaul> adriyel, correct [08:36] <ubuntu> does bochs work? [08:36] <cihad> aranzda [08:36] <uthini> _frank, after that? settings and stuff? [08:36] <adriyel> *slaps forehead& [08:36] <paulproteus> ubuntu: Look up qemu; it's better than bochs. [08:36] <adriyel> :wow [08:36] <bob2> ubuntu: I already suggested Qemu [08:36] <Madpilot> esc: j2re is in Hoary Extra repo, se the bottom of the AddingRepositories wiki page for more info... [08:36] <ubuntu> ok [08:36] <ubuntu> bye [08:36] <ompaul> shhhhhh its very quite [08:36] <thoreauputic> what a relief... [08:36] <adriyel> g'night everybody [08:36] <laserline> and what would that do ? will in be fixed next version, or somone will be able to show me how to fix that in current version of hoary? [08:36] <Madpilot> wow, how without common clue can you be? ;) [08:36] <_frank> uthini: well once you have the ssh server running. users will be able to login remotely with a ssh client [08:36] <laserline> . [08:36] <bob2> laserline: depends on what the problem is [08:36] <benplaut> ubotu ubotu google is <reply> Someone is trying to let you know that you should always search on www.google.com before asking a question. [08:36] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, benplaut [08:36] <esc> yes, I have that added as well [08:36] <deFrysk> ubuntu can rest now from his hard work [08:37] <deFrysk> ;p [08:37] <uthini> _frank, does that include a windows login? [08:37] <bob2> esc: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood [08:37] <Madpilot> !tell benplaut about question [08:37] <esc> ok [08:37] <_frank> uthini: you mean login from a windows machine? use putty for windows [08:37] <paulproteus> esc: Did you run e.g. apt-get update? Sorry if I missed your answer. [08:37] <benplaut> Madpilot, that's not in there, either :P [08:37] <cafuego> bob2: "Filing message in /var/spool/vmail/cafuego.net/me//.Trash/" - WOO! [08:37] <esc> paulproteus - yes I did [08:37] <esc> several times [08:37] <_frank> uthini: that will give you shell access. It's more complicated for graphical applications [08:37] <bob2> cafuego: oh, nice [08:37] <paulproteus> esc: Okay. [08:37] <benplaut> ubotu google is Someone is trying to let you know that you should always search on www.google.com before asking a question. [08:37] <ubotu> okay, benplaut [08:38] <bob2> cafuego: with sieve? [08:38] <cafuego> bob2: Nop, courier maildropfilter [08:38] <Madpilot> !tell benplaut about ask [08:38] <bob2> laserline: no need to /msg me [08:38] <bob2> laserline: it's red because I started the line with your name, and your client coloured it [08:38] <pulk> is there any gui interface in ubuntu for editing the order of init scripts at boot? [08:38] <cafuego> bob2: turned out to be a matter of explicitly telling postfiox to use maildrop as virtual_transport [08:38] <uthini> _frank, why so complex? anyways [08:38] <uthini> will sort out l8r [08:39] <uthini> gotta go to the office and make sure i still ahve a job [08:39] <cafuego> bob2: If you want the cfg, let me know and I'll mail it through. [08:39] <esc> ok /etc/apt/sources.list posted into #flood [08:39] <_frank> uthini: well you need xserver on your windows computer for graphical apps [08:39] <bob2> cafuego: mmmm, that would be very handy [08:39] <laserline> cool, so when i write start a line with a name, for example "bob2: blah blah" (w/o the quotes) you see it coloured ? [08:39] <cafuego> bob2: msg me an addy :-) [08:40] <bob2> laserline: yes, most clients do that. it's possible to disable/change the colour/etc, tho, and it all happens on the client end [08:40] <laserline> bob2: is there any more information i shoud put in the bugzilla ? [08:40] <IceDC571> whats the offtopic channel? [08:41] <bob2> esc: apt-cache search j2sdk -> #flood [08:41] <nalioth> #ubuntu-offtopic [08:41] <bob2> laserline: laptop details, as much output as you can capture, versions, etc [08:41] <esc> bob2 ok [08:41] <ompaul> pluk no there isno gui however if you look in the /etc/init.d files and then look in the various rc.d directories S## is for startup order and K## is for shudown order [08:42] <_frank> pulk there is ubm [08:42] <ompaul> pluk if you believe that such a tool is required there is nothing to stop you from building one :) [08:42] <_frank> pulk: ubuntu boot manager [08:42] <pulk> ok [08:42] <_frank> !ubm [08:42] <ubotu> _frank: Bugger all, i dunno [08:42] <benplaut> !bum [08:42] <ubotu> it has been said that bum is a graphical BootUp Manager; see http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html [08:42] <_frank> oops [08:42] <bob2> esc: apt-cache search j2 [08:42] <lew> I've heard there is a major Ubuntu release every 6 months, but I can't find on the website when the next major release will be. Anyone happen to know? [08:43] <_frank> lew in october [08:43] <laserline> bob2: when i run sleep from gnome menu it really runs /etc/acpi/sleep.sh - so if i sudo it from terminal, it'd be good input (or am i wrong?) [08:43] <TheRaginAsian> there is a roadmap somehwere [08:43] <lew> _frank, TY [08:43] <bob2> lew: october... [08:43] <bob2> lew: hm? [08:43] <bob2> TheRaginAsian: yes, on the wiki [08:44] <ompaul> so wheres the repo for bum? [08:44] <_frank> http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html [08:44] <_frank> maybe in backports I don't know [08:44] <roberts> load ircprimer [08:45] <benplaut> it's in breezy :)\ [08:45] <nalioth> lew: the ubuntu release version numbers are the year/month of their release [08:45] <ompaul> so no use to me _yet_ :) [08:45] <laserline> bob2: does sleep from gnome meny the same thing as sudo /etc/acpi/sleep.sh [08:45] <bob2> laserline: afaik, yes [08:45] <bob2> I always run the script manually, anyway [08:45] <Nexinarus> oh that makes sense heh [08:46] <bob2> esc: oh, bah [08:46] <_frank> ompaul: you can install manuallt [08:46] <bob2> esc: it's not your fault, the backports people screwed up [08:46] <esc> bob2 oh? [08:46] <bob2> esc: wget http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb [08:46] <ompaul> _frank, this is true [08:46] <_frank> backports screwed up where? [08:46] <bob2> esc: sudo dpkg -i sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb [08:46] <bob2> esc: then try installing azeeures again [08:47] <bob2> _frank: their Packages.gz file is incorrect, it seems [08:47] <esc> ok im wget that right now [08:47] <esc> lets see if it works [08:48] <cafuego> bob2: sent [08:48] <nobile> hi [08:48] <bob2> cafuego: dankeshan [08:49] <laserline> bob2: i only see linux as OS after choosing Ubuntu as product, should i put Linux in the package dialogue ? [08:49] <nobile> I was wondering how can I download the lastest version of gaim, because it won't dl from synaptic [08:49] <cafuego> bob2: I haven't written a php front end for it yet (but i do now have a suid wrapper to recursively trash mailboxen via a web page) [08:49] <nobile> and using the site, I don't know which package I should get [08:49] <bob2> laserline: hm, no, I think me memory sucks [08:49] <x3ndou> What is the network in /dev/ [08:49] <bob2> cafuego: hah [08:49] <benplaut> nobile: look in the forums for how to do it via autopackage [08:50] <_frank> nobile: there is a newer one in backports I think [08:50] <bob2> cafuego: I have vague plans for a zope-based thing [08:50] <bob2> x3ndou: nothing [08:50] <bob2> interfaces don't have device nodes [08:50] <laserline> bob2: so.... how to report the bug in the best way ? [08:50] <Nexinarus> !dvd [08:50] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some dvd's require libdvdcss2, which can be found in !hoary-extras [08:50] <x3ndou> well [08:50] <x3ndou> how is VMware supposed to connect to the ethernet [08:50] <nalioth> cafuego: squirrelmail beats sneakernet [08:51] <x3ndou> It defaultly tries to connect to /dev/vmnet0 [08:51] <bob2> x3ndou: do you mean tun? [08:51] <x3ndou> tun? [08:51] <bob2> that's created by the vmnet module [08:51] <x3ndou> I tried that [08:51] <bob2> it's not a normal network interface [08:51] <x3ndou> /dev/net/tun [08:51] <x3ndou> argh [08:51] <bob2> you don't want tun if you're using vmware [08:51] <x3ndou> I wam using vmware [08:51] <bob2> the vmware install worked out of the box for me [08:51] <x3ndou> XD [08:51] <dabar> I switch from the f7, to alt+ctrl+f1, and when I go back to f7, it is just a black screen, and I hear the little ubuntu sound, so I know its wokring in the background. This is a new install of Hoary on an HP computer, all HP hardware/whatever they use,... Does one of you guys have any idea what I can do to fix this? [08:51] <x3ndou> bvargh [08:52] <x3ndou> wait [08:52] <x3ndou> do me a favor [08:52] <x3ndou> look at what the ethernet is set to [08:52] <Tribune> i need help [08:52] <bob2> "what the ethernet is set to"? [08:52] <cafuego> nalioth: yes it does, with a massive wooly cricket bat [08:52] <x3ndou> yeh [08:52] <bob2> I have no idea what that sentence means [08:52] <x3ndou> what device [08:52] <x3ndou> is it using [08:52] <bob2> is what using? [08:52] <bob2> vmware? [08:52] <x3ndou> yeah [08:52] <bob2> it presumably uses /dev/vmnet or whatever [08:53] <x3ndou> yeah [08:53] <x3ndou> it's not finding that on my setup [08:53] <bob2> it had better be, since it tainted my kernel to do so [08:53] <bob2> so [08:53] <x3ndou> /dev/vmnet0 [08:53] <bob2> remove it all [08:53] <Tribune> try to apt-get install for realplayer but i receive this message : E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. [08:53] <x3ndou> and reinstall it? [08:53] <bob2> run "sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)" [08:53] <HrdwrBoB> Tribune: try to manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. [08:53] <thoreauputic> Tribune: and did you? [08:53] <x3ndou> I did that [08:53] <bob2> then download vmware workstation 5.0 [08:53] <bob2> then install it from scratch [08:53] <Tribune> how to do? [08:53] <esc> bob2 - thanks for your help. azureus/java are now installed [08:53] <bob2> esc: cool [08:54] <x3ndou> so uninstall vmware [08:54] <x3ndou> and then reinstall it? [08:54] <thoreauputic> Tribune: sudo dpkg --configure -a [08:54] <dabar> thoreauputic: :) [08:54] <Tribune> i will try it now [08:54] <x3ndou> will uninstalling it delete my virtual drives? [08:54] <x3ndou> Because I want it to [08:55] <dabar> Tribune: I hope it does not fix it, cause I will have to die if it does. [08:55] <jkindy> do any of u know of a external HDD that has bios support [08:55] <bob2> jkindy: that's a bios question, not a hard disk one [08:55] <x3ndou> yeah [08:55] <jkindy> oo [08:55] <x3ndou> my bios supports usb drives [08:55] <x3ndou> Many don't [08:56] <thoreauputic> Tribune: and I suggest in future you *not* interrupt installations with apt/synaptic/dpkg [08:56] <Tribune> ic [08:57] <DrSpin> ok -- when I logout of my X session, how can I nicely end dbus-daemon-1 and gam_server so that I don't get 10-15 instances running at any one time?? [08:57] <Tribune> i want to install azureus: [08:57] <dabar> so, noone of you had an issue where switching between consoles, like f1 and going back to f7 there is a black screen instead of X? [08:57] <Tribune> in my terminal recieved that message [08:57] <DrSpin> dabar: Are you using Warty?? [08:57] <Tribune> now the message inform differently [08:57] <dabar> DrSpin: a new hoary install. [08:57] <Tribune> The following packages have unmet dependencies: [08:57] <Tribune> azureus: Depends: sun-j2sdk1.5 but it is not installable or [08:57] <Tribune> java2-runtime but it is not installable [08:57] <Tribune> E: Broken packages [08:57] <bob2> dabar: that usually means your hardware or your X driver sucks [08:57] <DrSpin> dabar: nvidia or ati?? [08:57] <bob2> Tribune: please don't paste things in here [08:57] <x3ndou> haha [08:57] <Tribune> ok [08:57] <x3ndou> someone just had that problem Tribune [08:57] <Tribune> sorry bob2 [08:58] <thoreauputic> !tell Tribune about java [08:58] <Tribune> gosh... i need to install lots of mp3 songs [08:58] <bob2> ubotu: get java on i386 is 'wget http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb', then 'sudo dpkg -i sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb' [08:58] <ubotu> bob2: okay [08:58] <bob2> Tribune: do the above [08:58] <bob2> oh [08:58] <Tribune> i'm running in kubuntu now... should i change to ubuntu-destop to do that? [08:58] <cafuego> !get java on i386 =~ s/wget /wget -c / [08:58] <ubotu> OK, cafuego [08:59] <dabar> DrSpin: no graphics card, and restarting the server does not help, and it does start as normal and works as long as I dont change to console... [08:59] <_frank> Tribune: no just open a konsole [08:59] <DrSpin> dabar: LOL -- you have to have a graphics card for the display to function [08:59] <dabar> start as normal=when you boot,.. [09:00] <dabar> DrSpin: and by no graphics card, i mean its an onboard thing. [09:00] <DrSpin> dabar: ok [09:00] <x3ndou> Integrated you mean, dabar [09:00] <dabar> whatever. [09:00] <dabar> :) [09:00] <DrSpin> dabar join #flood and past the result of # lspci for me [09:00] <dabar> im not there. [09:01] <dabar> DrSpin: you got the part where: it works when I boot, until I switch to console? [09:01] <DrSpin> dabar: yes [09:01] <dabar> ok, so I should try getting help when I am at that computer? [09:01] <dabar> ok. [09:01] <DrSpin> dabar: in the last release of ubuntu this was a problem -- I'm getting some information to work with so maybe I can help you fix it [09:02] <DrSpin> xsession :: How can I kill applications when I logout like dbus-daemon-1 and gam_server [09:02] <DrSpin> ?? [09:03] <dabar> I will try again when I am where this computer is... also, I tried installing colony 3 today, and base install fails...I have so far tried burning the ISO twice, but onto the same RW, and the md5sum for the file is good. [09:03] <dabar> and I was installing that Hoary today, and I forgot the CD at home:) [09:04] <dabar> so...good night guys. [09:04] <x3ndou> nighto. [09:06] <Tribune> my konsole show nothing happen during wget [09:07] <Tribune> for java [09:07] <jkindy> the command to reset the menus? [09:07] <_frank> you should get a progress bar [09:07] <Tribune> nope.. i did paste exactly as ubotu url [09:08] <_frank> Tribune: does it output anything? [09:09] <Tribune> ok ok [09:09] <Tribune> now's working [09:09] <Tribune> lol.. how stupid i am :D [09:09] <jkindy> tried to download visualboyadvanced from package manager and got 50% done and said couldnt connct to the server? any ideas? [09:10] <_frank> try again? [09:10] <Digi> quick question [09:11] <Digi> when trying to install flash player in terminal I got this error [09:11] <Digi> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla [09:11] <_frank> Digi: do you have multiverse enabled? do you run x86? [09:11] <Digi> yes, x86 and I'm sorry i don't know what multiverse is [09:11] <Digi> <-- new to linux [09:11] <_frank> !repositories [09:11] <ubotu> repositories is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [09:12] <_frank> this should help ;-) [09:12] <_frank> good night [09:12] <Tripp> Hello, does anyone know how to install pengaol? [09:15] <Madpilot> has anyone ever set a parallel-port scanner in Ubuntu? [09:15] <jkindy> i allways wondered thers 470 ppl in here and not even 10% talk [09:15] <Madpilot> lots of us never, ever logout even when we're not actually here [09:15] <bluefoxicy> wow [09:15] <DrSpin> #linux went from a conversation about eating habits to health to masturbation as a form of exercise!! LMFAO :) [09:16] <bluefoxicy> having synaptic search description and name for nmap returns nothing [09:16] <bluefoxicy> just name gives nmap [09:16] <Madpilot> besides, right now it's late at night in the Americas, early morning in Europe, and dinnertime in NZ/Oz. it's usually slow around now [09:17] <jkindy> its like 3 in ther morning here [09:18] <Madpilot> yeah, it's 0020 here. "late at night/really early morning in the Americas", if you want to nitpick! [09:18] <DrSpin> 0020 here as well [09:19] <crimsun_> crazy leftcoasters :p [09:19] <DrSpin> _left_coasters ?!? LOL [09:19] <punkass> 0020 here to [09:19] <jkindy> i am on the east coast philly to be presice [09:19] <Madpilot> crimsun: you'd better believe it. I'm a crazy Canadian, to boot... [09:19] <DrSpin> how 2 dimensional ;) [09:19] <adriyel> 0319EST [09:20] <crimsun_> DrSpin, lends itself nicely to a 2d screen ;) [09:20] <punkass> Madpilot: and another ;) [09:20] <gabriel> hi [09:20] <Mestapheles> and another [09:20] <thoreauputic> DrSchlauf: the earth is flat! It's obvious! Look out he window! *grin* [09:20] <bluefoxicy> nmap pop.gmail.com -p 110 [09:20] <bluefoxicy> PORT STATE SERVICE [09:20] <bluefoxicy> 110/tcp filtered pop3 [09:20] <bluefoxicy> oh wow. [09:20] <bluefoxicy> gmail filters pop3 but offers pop3 anyway [09:20] <bluefoxicy> (yes it instructs pop.gmail.com be used, doesn't specify a port) [09:20] <thoreauputic> oops [09:20] <DrSpin> crimsun_ lmao indeed :) [09:20] <gabriel> i need to instal samba on hoary? or is it already installed? [09:20] <jkindy> does anybody know who don vito is [09:21] <DukGalNamu> how do i mount a samba file system? [09:21] <orlok> jkindy: as in the godfather? [09:21] <Madpilot> so, old parport scanners? anyone? the sane projects claim it's fully supported, but the drivers mentioned don't seem to be in Ubuntu repos... [09:21] <orlok> don vito corleone? [09:21] <jkindy> no as in viva la ba [09:21] <jkindy> bam [09:21] <DukGalNamu> ? [09:21] <jkindy> mtv man ...do u live under a rock lol [09:22] <crimsun_> well, not everyone has/watches tv [09:22] <thoreauputic> !tell DukGalNamu about samba [09:22] <jkindy> lol [09:22] <durt> help! i messed something up: how can i uninstall libc6 and use an older version without having to uninstall everything that depends on it? [09:23] <jkindy> well if u ever get a chance check out viva la bam on mtv great shom [09:23] <crimsun_> durt, force a downgrade? That can be messy. [09:23] <thoreauputic> durt: practically anything and everythig depends on libc6... [09:23] <gabriel> i get an error installing samba-common because in synaptic i have only 3.0.10 but smb-client needs 3.0.14a? [09:23] <crimsun_> durt, essentially, you'll have to downgrade its rdepends anyway [09:24] <durt> crimsun: how can i do it? [09:24] <jkindy> does anybody use Knoppix? [09:24] <crimsun_> gabriel, do you have a breezy deb line in there somewhere? [09:24] <bob2> durt: what did you do to break libc6 to begin with? [09:24] <bob2> jkindy: #knoppix [09:24] <Tribune> i did use knoppox last time :D [09:24] <Tribune> but using live cd [09:25] <crimsun_> durt, just downgrade libc6 and accept the fact that you'll lose its redepends [09:25] <gabriel> crisum_: i have hoary. i don't know if i have samba installed by defaut maybe? [09:25] <crimsun_> durt, otherwise you'll end up with an even more broken system [09:25] <gabriel> crimsum_: i have hoary. i don't know if i have samba installed by defaut maybe? [09:25] <durt> i was being stupid and installed the breezy version so i could upgrade wireless tools [09:25] <Tribune> can ubuntu communicate with pocket pc running mobile 2003? [09:25] <crimsun_> gabriel, hoary definitely doesn't have 3.0.14a [09:26] <bob2> gabriel: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood [09:26] <crimsun_> durt, then why not just completely dist-upgrade to Breezy? [09:26] <gabriel> crimsun_, so i can't install samba right? [09:26] <crimsun_> gabriel, please heed bob2's instructions [09:27] <gabriel> crimsun_ google for "bob2's"? [09:27] <bob2> 17:26:20 @ bob2 | gabriel: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood [09:28] <random003> does ubuntu 5.04 come with a cd burning program? [09:28] <bob2> yes [09:28] <bob2> a number of them, including the default file manager [09:28] <random003> bob2, I'm after one that is able to burn iso files, that doesn't require being downloaded (or is on the cd) [09:28] <durt> crimsun_: good idea, ill try breezy [09:28] <knowledge> I'm happy to announce that I have officially wiped out my windows partition... [09:29] <random003> knowledge, good work :D [09:29] <jkindy> i am a noob who is trying to lern...were is telnetvand how do i get to it..everyone tell me to use ssh but i want to use telnet because that is what is being used in a tutorial i am using [09:29] <gabriel> bob2, ok [09:29] <bob2> random003: right click on the .iso in the file manager. select "burn". enjoy! [09:29] <Pimpachu> How can I kill X server to install the latest NVIDIA drivers? [09:29] <Pimpachu> I just need to kill X [09:29] <knowledge> I booted it up today and I was using it for a little...and it just didn't feel right...I was like mann, nothing like linux... [09:29] <bob2> Pimpachu: don't bother [09:29] <bob2> the instructions are wrong [09:29] <Pimpachu> bob2, Sup? [09:29] <random003> thanks bob [09:29] <knowledge> even after installing OS X on my laptop, I came back to linux [09:29] <Nermal> jkindy, ssh is more secure than telnet [09:29] <Pimpachu> bob2, I already installed the old ones [09:30] <Thardas> Is there any downsides in adding universe to sources.list? [09:30] <bob2> jkindy: it's not worth it [09:30] <bob2> jkindy: ssh user@ipaddress [09:30] <Pimpachu> I need the new ones because i'm running 7800GTX in SLI [09:30] <Pimpachu> I need the latest drivers. [09:30] <jkindy> do i need to download ssh or is it allready installed [09:30] <bob2> Pimpachu: ok, but don't bother killing X [09:30] <Nermal> its already installed [09:30] <Nermal> just type ssh -l <username> <hostname> [09:30] <Nermal> man ssh :P [09:30] <gabriel> bob2, is flood a xchat user or a chan? [09:31] <knowledge> but now I have a question...I have a hard drive with OS X installed on it (6 gig partition) and the drive is a 60 gig, how can I move my current linux install onto that without any sort of problems? [09:31] <bob2> gabriel: a channel... [09:31] <Nermal> gabriel, channel [09:31] <Pimpachu> bob2, nvidia tells me it cannot install while X is running. [09:31] <Nermal> Pimpachu, so stop X ? [09:31] <DukGalNamu> hey, does anyone know of a graphical network interface?? [09:31] <bob2> Pimpachu: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop [09:31] <Nermal> DukGalNamu, ? [09:31] <Nermal> X ? [09:31] <bob2> lord those drivers are terrible [09:31] <DukGalNamu> Nermal: network [09:31] <Nermal> DukGalNamu, X ? [09:32] <bob2> DukGalNamu: you seem to have forgotten a word from your question [09:32] <DukGalNamu> Nermal: as in ethernet server client network [09:32] <Nermal> DukGalNamu, eh ? [09:32] <bob2> DukGalNamu: are you perhaps looking for a tool to configure your network interfaces? [09:32] <Nermal> speak properly [09:32] <Nermal> or a dictionary [09:32] <DukGalNamu> bob2: no a tool to mount other hard drives graphically [09:32] <Nermal> right 5 minutes of n00bs is enough for me today [09:32] <Pimpachu> bob2, It says it's still running X [09:32] <bob2> DukGalNamu: so, say that [09:32] <Pimpachu> bob2, That's a good command to know though. [09:32] <DukGalNamu> bob2: over thernet [09:33] <DukGalNamu> bob2: *ethernet [09:33] <gabriel> bob2, ok done it [09:33] <bob2> DukGalNamu: www.ubuntuguide.org [09:33] <bob2> gabriel: ask on the backports forums, I guess [09:34] <zcat[1] > brb [09:34] <Pimpachu> bob2, The apt-get version of the driver is too old for what i'm running [09:34] <gabriel> bob2, sorry. what are the backports forums? not here? [09:35] <bob2> gabriel: www.ubuntuforums.org, I assume [09:35] <bob2> it's very likely the issue is with you using the backports [09:35] <bob2> Pimpachu: I'm not saying I don't believe you... [09:35] <jkindy> i have a addiction to that nibbles game [09:35] <DukGalNamu> does anyone know of a gui that mounts bob2 thats all nice and dandy, but i am not using gnome, and all of my attempts at command line shareing have failed [09:35] <DukGalNamu> oops [09:35] <bob2> wtf [09:35] <gabriel> bob2, i go there and give it a try [09:35] <Pimpachu> bob2, Do you know why even though X is dead NVIDIA would say it is not dead? [09:36] <gabriel> bob2, thanks [09:36] <bob2> DukGalNamu: you're going to have a lot of problems getting help with that attitude [09:36] <bob2> DukGalNamu: things mising from your question include: explaining what sort of files yo uwant to share, what OS the other system runs and how secure you want it to be. [09:36] <bob2> Pimpachu: no [09:36] <nalioth> DukGalNamu: we need information [09:37] <DukGalNamu> bob2: sorry, the other os is gentoo, it requires a username and password, no encryption, security is not an issue, folder is shared with samba [09:37] <bob2> so... [09:38] <parka> hi all ... i don't understand how to search in aptitude. if i search for xfce4, it displays some packages but not the main xfce4 [09:38] <bob2> when you said "hey, does anyone know of a graphical network interface??" you meant "Can someone help me mount a SAMBA share?"? [09:38] <nalioth> parka: do you 'have' to use aptitude? try synaptic if you can [09:38] <knowledge> parka: use synaptics [09:38] <Pimpachu> bob2, tty7 just has a black screen with a blinking cursor that won't accept input. [09:38] <bob2> Pimpachu: yes, X is no longer running on it [09:38] <zcat[1] > DukGalNamu: apt-get install telnet-server [09:39] <bob2> Pimpachu: it sounds very much like the nvidia installer being shit [09:39] <Pimpachu> bob2, I figured it out [09:39] <bob2> DukGalNamu: do try to be clearer in future... [09:39] <DukGalNamu> bob2: actually, i had found a GUI program that uses kde that give a nice little interface into mounting things... but if i can figure out how to do it command line then all the more power to me [09:39] <bob2> DukGalNamu: sudo mount -t smbfs -o ro //192.168.1.134/snap /mnt/ooder [09:39] <DukGalNamu> bob2: sorry, i am very tired and don't make sense some times [09:39] <parka> nalioth, knowledge: thanks, i know ... i just wanted to get used to aptitude. have heard it solves dependencies better [09:39] <bob2> DukGalNamu: where the IP is the IP of the remote machine, snap is the share name and /mnt/ooder is the local mount point [09:39] <bob2> the man page explains how to use a a username [09:39] <nalioth> parka: aptitude and synaptic are the primary frontends to apt-get [09:40] <knowledge> parka: it is my understanding that it is the same thing one's gui and one is command based [09:40] <knowledge> but I could be wrong [09:40] <bob2> they're similar, yes [09:40] <bob2> and both use the same backend [09:40] <DukGalNamu> bob2: how do i enter the username aslo? [09:40] <sukrit> they're similar, yes [09:40] <DukGalNamu> also [09:40] <bob2> DukGalNamu: 17:39:56 @ bob2 | the man page explains how to use a a username [09:41] <DukGalNamu> ... [09:41] <parka> ah, so would you recommend synaptic over apt-get? [09:41] <bob2> aptitude or synaptic should be used instead of apt-get, yes [09:41] <nalioth> parka: synaptic is a frontend to apt-get [09:41] <bob2> aptitude is basically a drop-in replacement [09:41] <bob2> e.g. sudo aptitude install blah [09:42] <bob2> DukGalNamu: come on dude, man smbmount [09:42] <knowledge> question...I have a hard drive with OS X installed on it (6 gig partition) and the drive is a 60 gig, how can I move my current linux install onto that without any sort of problems? [09:42] <bob2> DukGalNamu: the first page shows how to specify the username [09:42] <bob2> knowledge: I wouldn't bother [09:42] <knowledge> bob2: good stuff... [09:42] <nalioth> knowledge: depends on your current linux distro [09:42] <parka> okay, thank you all [09:42] <knowledge> bob2: not even try to make an image? [09:42] <DukGalNamu> bob2: no man for smbmount... [09:42] <knowledge> nalioth: Ubuntu [09:42] <Pimpachu> bob2, What's the package name for the Kernel source to apt it down so I can build the nvidia drivers? [09:42] <joseph> a lil prob here cant connect to internet but i can still chat on messenger [09:42] <bob2> DukGalNamu: then you need to install it [09:43] <bob2> Pimpachu: you don't want the kernel source; sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) [09:43] <dennis__> hEllo [09:43] <nalioth> knowledge: better to install from scratch ubuntu on the hd, and just move your HOMEDIR over [09:43] <dennis__> cAN ANYOne help me with some totem problems? [09:43] <knowledge> nalioth: I could definitely do that [09:43] <joseph> connection to internet problems....helppp [09:43] <nalioth> knowledge: what kind of mac? [09:43] <bob2> knowledge: eh? moving will be tricky and annoying, and involve a boot disk. why not just use that partition for something else? [09:43] <dennis__> Anyone? [09:43] <knowledge> nalioth: Dell Inspiron 8200 [09:44] <dennis__> I'm having problems with stupid totem :( [09:44] <nalioth> knowledge: i'm very confused, but thats a common constant with me [09:44] <knowledge> dennis__: what's the prob? [09:44] <bob2> dennis__: dude, we've done thise twice already today [09:44] <dennis__> Hehe [09:44] <bob2> dennis__: just ask your question already [09:44] <knowledge> nalioth: it's the osX86 version of os x [09:44] <dennis__> One sec [09:44] <nalioth> knowledge: just install ubuntu of whatever flavor on it, and it should be no prob [09:44] <cyphase> lol [09:44] <cyphase> linuxjournal.com is gettind DoS'ed [09:44] <dennis__> When I try and open a file in totem [09:44] <dennis__> I get this [09:45] <thoreauputic> DukGalNamu: sudo aptitude install smbfs [09:45] <dennis__> otem could not startup. [09:45] <dennis__> Resource busy or something else [09:45] <dennis__> :/ [09:45] <DukGalNamu> thoreauputic: i got it, and it still doesn't work [09:45] <dennis__> Even though I restarted x and rebooted the computer after the X reboot didn't work [09:45] <dennis__> :/ [09:45] <knowledge> nalioth: yeah, I know what you mean...honestly even though I got it to run clean, it still doesn't seem like a mac, you know what I mean? [09:46] <dennis__> This always seems to happen when I install new graphic drivers [09:46] <Pimpachu> bob2, The latest Hoary only uses 2.6.10-5? [09:46] <bob2> Pimpachu: that's what was stable when hoary froze 6+ months ago [09:46] <maan84> Excuse me... I'm trying to play an *.mkv file and it run's very laggy in Xine, anyone know where I can get good codecs or a solution to the problem? Thank you [09:46] <nalioth> knowledge: i'm sure the macs that have intel inside are gonna be tweaked to their last squeak [09:46] <Pimpachu> bob2, Is there no way to use a greater version? [09:46] <dennis__> bob2 did you see my question? [09:46] <bob2> Pimpachu: of course there is, but why? [09:46] <bob2> dennis__: yup [09:46] <Pimpachu> bob2, I know I could compile it myself, but I fear the worst lol [09:46] <Digis> Will ubuntu breezy would work on such a hawdware ibm thinkpad 240 (celeron 300mhz, 128 ram), now I am running sarge on it, and planning installing ubuntu... [09:46] <nalioth> maan84: what hardware are you running it on? [09:46] <dennis__> ANy idea whats up with it? [09:46] <bob2> I don't use totem [09:46] <crimsun_> Digis, yes [09:47] <Pimpachu> Pimpachu, There's a problem with the NVIDIA driver and Kernels < 2.6.11 [09:47] <dennis__> :/ [09:47] <bob2> Digis: it will run as well as sarge [09:47] <Digis> maybe even faster? [09:47] <Digis> what do U think? [09:47] <nalioth> Digis: plan on installing breezy in october [09:47] <maan84> nalioth: P4 3.2Ghz, 512 662DDR2 mem, SATA 10,000rpm, GF4 [09:47] <dennis__> nalioth can you help? [09:47] <knowledge> nalioth: I'm sure, but I thought it was cool that macs had a processor that was unique, and from what I understand...the PPC arch was a MUCH better design, but then again, I'm not a programmer so I can't care that much [09:47] <bob2> DukGalNamu: no need to /msg me... [09:47] <nalioth> maan84: try using vlc [09:47] <bob2> Digis: about the same [09:47] <DukGalNamu> bob2: its my actuall username and password.... [09:47] <Digis> nalioth, I am running breezy on my work pc, and it runs not bad [09:47] <maan84> nalioth: I'm very new, vlc? :) [09:47] <DukGalNamu> bob2: :P [09:48] <orlok> knowledge: actually, thre have been unix systems running that CPU family for a looooooooong time [09:48] <bob2> DukGalNamu: I know, but there's no need to show that to me at all... [09:48] <DukGalNamu> bob2: well it fails emerging [09:48] <nalioth> dennis__: sorry, am not familiar with totem or multimedia in general [09:48] <bob2> "emerging"? [09:48] <IceDC571> how would you test a dpkg package to see if it would install correctly or not? [09:48] <dennis__> :/ [09:48] <DukGalNamu> bob2: duuur, i mean it fail mounting [09:48] <dennis__> Is anyone here familiar with totem? [09:48] <nalioth> knowledge: politics is the decision maker in the switch [09:48] <bob2> IceDC571: try and install it [09:48] <Wilf> just installed ubuntu, but x won't start. S3 Trio video card, is this the cause? [09:48] <nalioth> maan84: videolan client, it plays dang near everything video [09:49] <bob2> DukGalNamu: so [09:49] <bob2> DukGalNamu: I can't see your screen. or your logs. or how yo uset things up. etc. [09:49] <orlok> knowledge: IBM's RS6000 systems, i remember seeing a PPC604e based one [09:49] <maan84> nalioth: Ok :) Where can I get a hold of it? [09:49] <bob2> DukGalNamu: telling me "it dont work" does not let me help at all [09:49] <thoreauputic> Wilf: S3 Trio? Is this an old machne? [09:49] <DukGalNamu> bob2: sorry [09:49] <Wilf> yes [09:49] <thoreauputic> *machine [09:49] <bob2> anyway, hometime [09:49] <dennis__> thoreauputic, how about you? [09:50] <dennis__> YOu familiar with totem? [09:50] <nalioth> !info vlc [09:50] <Wilf> says there are errors [09:50] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB [09:50] <Wilf> with symbols not found [09:50] <thoreauputic> Wilf: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and choose the vesa driver [09:50] <Digi> can someone tell me what to do about this error message? [09:50] <Digi> Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-RO M recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs [09:50] <Wilf> ok [09:50] <nalioth> maan84: you need the universe repo enabled and you can get vlc using synaptic [09:50] <thoreauputic> dennis__: I use totem-xine sometimes [09:50] <knowledge> nalioth: agreed, in the end, it's money and politics [09:50] <dennis__> Well [09:50] <dennis__> For some reason [09:50] <dennis__> After I installed the ati drivers for my video card [09:50] <thoreauputic> dennis__: I wouldn't say I'm "familiar" with it ;) [09:51] <dennis__> Totem fucked up :/ [09:51] <maan84> naloth: ok thanks, I'm pretty sure I got universe added in the sources list, do I use some apt command to get it? :) [09:51] <dennis__> It says it is busy and can not play the file [09:51] <dennis__> Even after a reboot [09:51] <nalioth> maan84: you can use "sudo apt-get install vlc" [09:51] <maan84> nalioth: Thank you [09:51] <dennis__> and I searched running tasks and totem is not there [09:51] <thoreauputic> dennis__: possibly an esd issue - just a guess [09:51] <knowledge> orlok: true, but it's not a mac, I don't know how to explain it...but to me, a mac was something special....elite I guess you could say...I mean I'm sure that there will be another OS that will still use Risc procs...but it's not the same [09:52] <dennis__> thoreauputic, esd? [09:52] <nalioth> knowledge: another OS (you mean like linux?) [09:52] <thoreauputic> dennis__: Enlightened Sound Daemon [09:52] <knowledge> nalioth: yeah [09:52] <\dev\goat> http://www.mailnation.net <-- how badass is that [09:52] <thoreauputic> dennis__: try killall esd and re-run totem [09:53] <nalioth> knowledge: i have 2 macs now running ubuntu, and am working on gettin 2 more running ubuntu [09:53] <nalioth> knowledge: i find OSX overrated [09:53] <dennis__> Thor :/ [09:53] <dennis__> Didn't work [09:53] <DukGalNamu> bob2: its called smb4k [09:54] <thoreauputic> !doesn't work [09:54] <ubotu> methinks doesn't work is something you should never say. Be more specific. [09:54] <athlon> is digital camera supported by ubuntu stock kernel ? [09:54] <dennis__> hehe [09:54] <knowledge> nalioth: yeah, I agree, I was so hyped about using OSX on my own computer, so I could fool around with all the ins and outs...but after about an hour I was like...this is it? I just think the cases looked nice. Also, I don't even know where to begin looking for mobos and processors to build a PPC comp [09:55] <dennis__> Thor, same error message [09:55] <gabriel> but in hoary is samba istalled by default or not? [09:55] <dennis__> "Reource busy ...blah blah" [09:55] <nalioth> knowledge: there are not a lot of PPC mobos other than via apple [09:55] <jesper> athlon: yes, most are.. [09:55] <knowledge> nalioth: exactly... [09:56] <Seveas> gabriel, depends on what you need [09:56] <knowledge> nalioth: so even if there are distros and os' that can utilize PPC, there's no longer a point after 2Q '06 [09:56] <Seveas> gabriel, the samba part in nautilus is there, the samba daemon or smbfs program/library not. [09:56] <dennis__> esource busy or not available. [09:57] <gabriel> Seveas, i just need to share files beetween hoary and wxp under vmware [09:57] <Seveas> can't you just mount the XP disks or does VMware hide them? [09:57] <bob2> DukGalNamu: so, when you were talking about mounting things, you only meant SMB shares, ok [09:57] <knowledge> rawr [09:58] <DukGalNamu> bob2: yeah, although that program is great for all other shares [09:58] <gabriel> Saveas. let me check [09:58] <DukGalNamu> bob2: i still can't figure out why it doesn't mount.... [09:58] <athlon> Ive removed the stock kernel some time ago and use a custom kernel. I am trying to install it again but strangely synaptic only has linux-image up to 2.6.11 [09:58] <bob2> "all other shares"? [09:58] <DukGalNamu> bob2: ntfs [09:58] <DukGalNamu> bob2: and such [09:59] <bob2> athlon: synaptic won't know or care about packages that aren't in apt repositories [09:59] <bob2> Pimpachu: you'll be on your own then, no ubuntu kernels above 2.6.10 work on hoary [09:59] <DukGalNamu> bob2: it sees everything on the network and can mount something if its available [09:59] <gabriel> Seveas, do you mean i should mount the virtual file of vmware? [09:59] <athlon> oh, okay. I just thought it's a bug or something [10:01] <Wilf> thor|away, that didn't work [10:01] <DukGalNamu> bob2: its late, i am sorry if i don't make sense [10:01] <Wilf> changed the driver to vesa [10:01] <Wilf> but i get no symbol found error a few times [10:01] <Wilf> then "fatal server error: no screens found" [10:02] <gabriel> Seveas, i cant see xp disks under vmware [10:03] <Thardas> gabriel: share them. [10:03] <maan84> Weird, *.mkv won't play at all in VLC =/ And I tried open a *.avi that plays fine in xine, it plays in vlc but without sound :P [10:04] <gabriel> Thardas, should i shear the whole xp disk under xp in vmware? [10:04] <Madpilot> does anyone know if the Ubuntu kernal includes the ppSCSI module, or a way I could check for it? I'm not interesting in compiling my own kernal... [10:05] <Thardas> gabriel: it would probably be the easiest way. [10:05] <Thardas> Do you have Simple Sharing enabled? [10:06] <gabriel> Thardas, hei man,it was the easyest way! Thanks [10:06] <Seveas> Madpilot, CONFIG_SCSI_PPA=m [10:06] <Seveas> is that it? [10:06] <Thardas> gabriel: you're welcome. [10:06] <Internat> any users of bluez in here? [10:07] <Madpilot> Seveas: possibly. I'm just googling on getting an old parport scanner working - does that mean the module I'd need is already in the Ubuntu kernel? [10:07] <Madpilot> Seveas: http://www.kirchgessner.net/sanehpfaq.html#HPFAQ3A [10:08] <DukGalNamu> bob2: apperently something is wrong with my system, cause it can't see any network or any of the computers on my network... [10:08] <DukGalNamu> bob2: ohh, could it be because i set my system to DMZ? [10:09] <DukGalNamu> bob2: that now i am not allowed to talk to other computers on the network for samty reasons [10:09] <DukGalNamu> safty [10:09] <catfox> morning all. i'm struggling with my synaptics touchpad on a different distro(work laptop). the same touchpad works fine on my other laptop though, so can anyone point me to the default haory config for it, please? [10:10] <DukGalNamu> nope i can ping it [10:10] <bob2> wtf [10:11] <bob2> DukGalNamu: go to bed, dude [10:11] <DukGalNamu> bob2: yeah ok [10:11] <DukGalNamu> bob2: gnight :P [10:12] <ekimus> catfox: i could give you a (quite) generic howto on the synaptics touchpad [10:12] <catfox> ekimus, sure [10:12] <ekimus> catfox: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Gentoo_Acer_Travelmate_803LCi_Manual#Synaptics_Touchpad [10:12] <catfox> ekimus, thanks, i'll take a look [10:13] <Madpilot> catfox: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticsTouchpadHowto <-- not sure about this for Hoary - it seems to be for Warty - but have a look [10:13] <Madpilot> (and update it if you can when you get your touchpad working!) [10:13] <catfox> Madpilot, cheers i'll check that out too [10:15] <onkarshinde> anyone trying colony 3? How is it? Does it contain GNOME 2.12 (unstable)? [10:15] <Burgundavia> oneleaf, yes [10:15] <Burgundavia> onkarshinde, yes, it contains 2.11 (which will become 2.12) [10:15] <thoreauputic> Wilf: this might help (no guarantees) >> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg and say "no" to the framebuffer question [10:16] <Wilf> ok [10:16] <onkarshinde> Burgundavia: How is colony 3 as compared to Hoary? [10:16] <Burgundavia> onkarshinde, much better [10:16] <Wilf> ok thoreauputic, brb [10:16] <onkarshinde> Burgundavia: Any specific improvements? [10:16] <Wilf> thanks for helping by the way [10:16] <Wilf> i really appreciate it [10:17] <thoreauputic> np [10:17] <thoreauputic> :) [10:17] <Burgundavia> onkarshinde, wiki.ubuntu.com/QuickTourDraft is a quick guide to some of the latest cool things [10:18] <Wilf> thoreauputic, S3 or Vesa? [10:18] <Jowi> hello everyone [10:19] <thoreauputic> Wilf: I would stick with vesa - it works for anything, normally [10:19] <thoreauputic> Wilf: if not , you might need to rerun the command and try other drivers [10:19] <Wilf> ok [10:22] <onkarshinde> why isn't vlc included in Ubuntu by default though it is better than totem. [10:22] <bob2> better sounds fairly subjective [10:22] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: when did you stop beating your wife? [10:23] <thoreauputic> leading questions... [10:23] <onkarshinde> thoreauputic: What is that? [10:23] <thoreauputic> never mind [10:23] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: :) [10:25] <Wilf> thoreauputic, nada. [10:25] <thoreauputic> Wilf: :( [10:27] <thoreauputic> Wilf: have you tried running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and choosing the simple options? Like trying to get it working at 800x600, choosing low values for vid memory etc? [10:27] <Wilf> yep. [10:28] <Wilf> all configs are set low by default due to the limitations of the video card [10:29] <dooglus> can someone please help me find /usr/lib/perl5/Curses.pm in 'breezy'? [10:29] <dooglus> I see this: $ apt-file search /usr/lib/perl5/Curses.pm [10:29] <dooglus> libcurses-perl: usr/lib/perl5/Curses.pm [10:30] <gabriel> Thardas, i got to the smb shared folder from linux onto xp but i get a log request. none of the username + psw go well. it asks username domain and psw. what should i use? [10:30] <dooglus> but I've installed libcurses-perl, and the file didn't appear. [10:30] <Jowi> sorry for breaking in, but Wilf, have you had a look with "sudo ddcprobe" to see what is supported? [10:30] <Wilf> nope Jowi, will do that now [10:31] <dooglus> gabriel: try blank username and password, and put the workgroup name for the domain [10:31] <Wilf> all the settings seem to be within limitations of the card... [10:32] <Jowi> so what is the problem? [10:33] <Wilf> x wont start :\ [10:33] <Wilf> "fatal server eror: no screens found" [10:33] <Jowi> ouch. alright. so no sceen is configured in xorg.conf? have you posted xorg.conf in the pastebin already? [10:34] <Wilf> xorg.conf in the pastebin? [10:34] <Jowi> yeah. copy your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to paste.ubuntulinux.nl [10:34] <toonX> i am trying to run some X app from console logged as root , but i get this error that the app can't connect to the X server , i did a set and saw i have no DISPLAY variable for user root, how can i export one ? [10:34] <Jowi> and give us the link to your post [10:34] <Wilf> different computer [10:34] <drcode> any one know about free backup software client /server with nice gui ? [10:35] <Wilf> and the other one is not set up to the internet yet [10:35] <Wilf> but [10:35] <Jowi> Wilf: nasty :P [10:35] <Wilf> i could copy it to a floppy and copy it over [10:35] <Wilf> this is a fresh install by the way [10:35] <Wilf> never worked from the word go [10:35] <Jowi> lowtech. i like it. lol [10:35] <Jowi> yeah, something is wrong in the xorg.conf file i'm sure [10:36] <Wilf> i used ubuntu for a while on this computer, until my studies took priority (3DS Max) :\ [10:36] <Wilf> worked fine on this machine [10:37] <Jowi> ...but the other one does not get a "screen" according to xorg... [10:37] <Wilf> yup [10:37] <gabriel> the net server doesn't open anymore. [10:37] <Wilf> it also says "screens found, but none with a useable configuraion" [10:37] <Wilf> if that helps [10:38] <Jowi> Wilf: if you can find a way to give us a taste of your xorg.conf it would help alot. useless advise you'll get otherwise [10:38] <toonX> why do i get this err when trying to some some X apps from Terminal as root ? Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server and Xlib: No protocol specified and [10:38] <Wilf> ok, give me a minute [10:38] <toonX> and Error: unable to open display :0 [10:39] <Thardas> gabriel: are you sharing from Windows to Linux? [10:39] <Wilf> Jowi: sorry about the noobie questions, but how do i mount a floppy? [10:40] <Wilf> i've forgotten :\ [10:40] <Wilf> mount (something) /mnt/fdd0 [10:40] <Jowi> erhm... should be mount /media/floppy [10:40] <Wilf> my mandrake is showing :\ [10:40] <ndlovu> hi all. I'm having trouble installing samba. not sure if it's a problem on my side or with the repositories. I get this error: [10:40] <ndlovu> smbfs: Depends: samba-common (= 3.0.14a-3ubuntu3~5.04ubp1) but 3.0.10-1ubuntu3 is to be installed [10:40] <ndlovu> any ideas? [10:41] <Jowi> i don't have a floppy on this computer so i'm lost there. was a few years ago [10:41] <gabriel> Thardas, yes under vmware. now i can't open the net window no more i think i should reeboot [10:41] <Seveas> ndlovu, disable backports... [10:41] <thoreauputic> Wilf: if it helps, my old pentium 200 here with S3 Trio Gx or DX is using depth 16 rather than 24, with the vesa driver, and running at 1024x768 [10:41] <ndlovu> thanks Seveas, will try that [10:43] <thoreauputic> Wilf: mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy for the floppy [10:43] <Tribune> i did finish do wget http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb. after this i need to do sudo apt-get install ..? [10:44] <Seveas> dpkg -i sun*deb [10:45] <Tribune> !ubotu [10:45] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/ [10:45] <Tribune> gosh... what my next step. how stupid i am [10:46] <thoreauputic> Tribune: Seveas just told you above [10:46] <Tribune> oohh [10:46] <Tribune> isee [10:46] <thoreauputic> Tribune: insert " sudo " before that command, BTW [10:47] <Tribune> thanks [10:47] <Tribune> if i finish install my java.. is it i can use m limewire & azarues? [10:48] <Tribune> real player format? which application can i use? [10:48] <Jowi> realplayer [10:49] <Madpilot> Tribune: rm can be played by Totem or nearly anything [10:49] <Madpilot> !restricted [10:49] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [10:50] <maan84> Hello, in Mplayer I get that subfont.ttf is missing, and I googled some and found out that any *.ttf file will work (Arial) was default, so I thought I'd copy a font to ~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf, though where can I find a font to copy? :D *new* [10:50] <Wilf> hrmmm [10:50] <Wilf> should it be too big for a floppy? [10:50] <Jowi> Wilf: xorg.conf is about 3kb [10:50] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: unless you like listening to BBC radio, in which case realplay is the only option afaics [10:50] <arcanistherogue> say, anyone here use legacy doom? [10:50] <hussam> anybody here using openofficeorg2 from http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/SRC680_m125/Build-1/ ? [10:50] <Wilf> :\ [10:51] <arcanistherogue> I have a question [10:51] <Wilf> where should it be? [10:51] <arcanistherogue> is there a switch that lets me play it in a window? [10:51] <Jowi> /etc/X11/xorg.conf [10:51] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: really? gack. all the net radio I've used so far has worked fine in Totem... [10:51] <Wilf> ah, wrong place, stupid me. [10:51] <Wilf> sorry, brb :P [10:51] <thoreauputic> Wilf: /etc/X11/xorg.conf [10:52] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: they use a "BBC player" that relies on realplay to work (it's really dumb) [10:52] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: my respect for the Beeb just went down a notch... [10:53] <k31th> wat was ubuntu docs channel [10:53] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: a while back they had ogg vorbis feeds, but it was experimental and they stopped [10:53] <k31th> im ment to be helping out with that [10:53] <maan84> Anyone know where I can find Arial.ttf or another ttf font file? Which location on the harddrive? :) [10:54] <Jowi> maan84: the packagename is called msttcorefonts [10:54] <dooglus> maan84: /mnt/c/WINDOWS/FONTS/arial.ttf [10:54] <k31th> wtf is the mp3 codec called?? i cant play mp3s in any player yet if i hover the mouse over the sound file it plays [10:54] <dooglus> (or wherever you mount your C: drive) [10:54] <Ng> Madpilot: they use Real because nobody else was doing decent hardware encoder boxes when they introduced the service. they are writing their own Free codecs though. [10:55] <maan84> Jowi: ok thank you so I have to install a package to find fonts? :) [10:55] <maan84> dooglus: Not running windows, but thank you :) [10:55] <Madpilot> Ng: interesting. I use other Real feeds, though, and they work fine in Totem... bah, audio is just a mess... [10:55] <dooglus> maan84: I just used "locate" to find that font [10:55] <Wilf> yes [10:55] <Wilf> i got me a conf file. [10:55] <Madpilot> k31th: do you mean ubuntu-doc channel? [10:55] <Jowi> maan84: Arial and the like is used under licence. there is a package called msttcorefonts that downloads and installs the fonts from microsofts site [10:55] <dooglus> locate .ttf [10:56] <thoreauputic> Ng: are they reiventing the wheel or do their codecs have some special advantage over vorbis and friends? [10:56] <maan84> Jowi: Ah ok, it don't have to be arial, just a readable ttf font that I can add in the ~/.mplayer/ directory so I can view subtitles, it appears to be missing, and I read that any ttf font would be ok to add there [10:57] <thoreauputic> Jowi: actually it downloads from various sites - I don't think MS co-operate any more [10:57] <Jowi> maan84: all installed fonts are in /usr/share/fonts/ [10:57] <maan84> Jowi: Thank you :) [10:57] <Madpilot> isn't there an "mplayer-fonts" package specially for mplayer? [10:57] <dooglus> would someone using 'breezy' please try installing and running 'sysv-rc-conf'. is it broken? [10:57] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: there is indeed [10:58] <Jowi> thoreauputic: maybe it changed since last week then :-) [10:58] <Ng> thoreauputic: pass, I think their dirac video stuff is aimed at working fine with broadcast resolution video [10:58] <maan84> If there is, I don't seem to have it installed for mplayer :) [10:58] <thoreauputic> Jowi: ? last time I installed msttcorefonts they came from several URLs ? [10:58] <gabriel> hei i cant get nautilus to respond anymore how do i kill ilt and restart it? [10:58] <Prower> Hmm...there's a fastcgi module for apache2, but there isn't a fastcgi package anywhere :/ Is it needed? [10:59] <Jowi> thoreauputic: yep. and one of them was microsoft connected [10:59] <thoreauputic> Jowi: ah, OK - my bad [10:59] <thoreauputic> Jowi: I didn't notice that [10:59] <dooglus> do you mean libapache-mod-fastcgi, Prower? [10:59] <knowledge> Good night everyone...I'm out [10:59] <dooglus> sorry - apache2? [10:59] <Wilf> Jowi, thoreauputic: http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33289 [10:59] <dooglus> libapache2-mod-fastcgi then. [11:00] <gabriel> can i only reboot to get nautilus to respond? [11:00] <Prower> dooglus: Yes, that's right :> On other systems I've used there's also been a fastcgi package that was required for it to work, and in the Debian/Ubuntu guide for rails it also mentions it [11:00] <dooglus> Prower: I never used it, sorry. [11:01] <thoreauputic> Wilf: umm - login reuired [11:01] <thoreauputic> *required [11:01] <Wilf> oh -_-; [11:01] <Prower> dooglus: Ahh, no problem, thanks...I'll just have to keep looking around [11:01] <Jowi> thoreauputic: not important enough to fuzz about. just something i noticed while installing them that's all [11:01] <Jowi> Wilf: pastebin [11:01] <Jowi> !pastebin [11:01] <ubotu> from memory, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl [11:01] <thoreauputic> Jowi: sure - interesting though [11:02] <Wilf> thanks :) [11:02] <Wilf> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1573 [11:02] <Jowi> thoreauputic: sure is. makes me want to uninstall - reinstall just to doublecheck! [11:03] <SSkroeder> Hi ... i'm new with ubuntu -- and i've got a question about getting software upgrades ... see, whenever i start gaim, it says to me, that a 1.5.0 version is available --- but when i use the update tool nothing happens .... how can i get gaim 1.5.0, so i don't get an anoying popup anymore ... [11:03] <k31th> why can i not play mp3s in xmms [11:03] <k31th> yet i can by hanging my mouse over the file [11:03] <k31th> ?? [11:03] <Seveas> k31th: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound [11:03] <k31th> Seveas: is that an option in xmms ? [11:03] <Seveas> yes [11:03] <Jowi> Wilf: run "sudo ddcprobe" again, take notice of the horiz and vertical refresh values because you need to enter them in xorg.conf [11:04] <thoreauputic> Jowi: heheh - <tinfoilhat> MS have imbedded a trojan in the fonts!! </tinfoilhat> [11:04] <Wilf> ok [11:05] <zcat[1] > /var/lib/defoma/gs.d/dirs/fonts/FreeSans.ttf ~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf [11:05] <zcat[1] > should work? [11:05] <cafuego> thoreauputic: mr bush rang, he wants his hat back [11:05] <zcat[1] > err ln -s all that... [11:05] <Seveas> zcat[1] , yes [11:05] <Jowi> thoreauputic: nah, they have been freely available for download for the past 5-6 years at least. but that tinfoilhat idea is brilliant! [11:05] <maan84> Phew, worked so hard to get the *.mkt file running with sounds and videio and all, xine/totem/vlc failed but mplayer could play it, then subs don't work /cry :P [11:05] <thoreauputic> cafuego: hahah [11:05] <maan84> mkv* [11:05] <k31th> damn this xmms has crashed [11:05] <k31th> i cant find the pid out [11:05] <k31th> it just hangs there [11:06] <Wilf> Jowi: is a log of the ddcprobe kept anywhere? [11:06] <Jowi> Wilf: nope, just prints to the screen. in section "Monitor" add something like this: HorizSync 30-96 [11:06] <Jowi> VertRefresh 50-160 [11:06] <Wilf> yep, but those values have scrolled up the screen [11:06] <Wilf> before i could see them [11:07] <Jowi> shift+pageup [11:07] <Wilf> ah [11:07] <Jowi> Wilf: mouse scrollwheel work too [11:07] <Wilf> 31 - 69, 50 - 120 [11:08] <SSkroeder> Hi ... i'm new with ubuntu -- and i've got a question about getting software upgrades ... see, whenever i start gaim, it says to me, that a 1.5.0 version is available --- but when i use the update tool nothing happens .... how can i get gaim 1.5.0, so i don't get that anoying popup anymore ... ---anyone ? [11:08] <Jowi> Wilf: so in xorg.conf, look for "Monitor" and as last option add: HorizSync 31-69 [11:09] <Wilf> ok [11:09] <Jowi> Wilf: and: VertRefresh 50-120 [11:09] <Prower> SSkroeder: Sorry, I don't think I've ever gotten a popup like that [11:10] <neperju> huh? [11:10] <thoreauputic> Jowi: http://zapatopi.net/afdb/ and http://zapatopi.net/mindguard/ :D [11:11] <SSkroeder> Prower: ... it's a popup from inside Gaim --stating that the 1.5.0 now is available - and several bugfixes and such have been resolved... [11:11] <Jowi> thoreauputic: lol! [11:12] <thoreauputic> Jowi: the program is a hoot ;D [11:12] <cafuego> SSkroeder: Any chance it's a spam with a worm download? [11:12] <deFrysk> SSkroeder, stable version of ubuntu does only do security patches , package versions are frozen till stable next release comes out [11:12] <Prower> SSkroeder: Oh, I know what you mean, yeah...I've just never got them in Ubuntu before [11:12] <Pogopuschel-> Download and compile it yourself [11:12] <Pogopuschel-> http://gaim.sourceforge.net/downloads.php [11:13] <deFrysk> SSkroeder, only safe option for newer packages is the backports repo [11:13] <SSkroeder> deFrysk: how often are new stable versions made ... [11:13] <cafuego> SSkroeder: every 6 months [11:13] <deFrysk> SSkroeder, every half year, in april and october [11:14] <SSkroeder> ok [11:14] <Jowi> thoreauputic: i like this quote: "MindGuard -- the name known and trusted by Amiga users for a decade. Now available for Linux. Use Linux, because THEY don't want you to." [11:14] <Prower> SSkroeder: You could use the 1.4 version in backports, that works well [11:14] <Jowi> i laughed so hard i got a headache, thanks [11:15] <thoreauputic> Jowi: heheh - yeah the whole site is very funny: note the license "MGPL" ;) [11:15] <SSkroeder> Prower: as in : just keep on using the version, im using now because all the security fixes a bound to come ? [11:15] <deFrysk> SSkroeder, ubuntu-developers are working hard to make the packages work properly and stable , so safest way is to stick to the ubuntu repositories [11:16] <SSkroeder> Ok ;-) [11:16] <Wilf> uh oh :\ [11:16] <imsick> hello [11:17] <Jowi> Wilf: ? [11:17] <Wilf> startx [11:17] <rwabel> hi [11:17] <Wilf> screen stopped responding (light went orange) [11:17] <rwabel> is it normal that when upgrading (dist-upgrade) from hoary to breezy over 100packages get removed? [11:17] <penny> startx 2 > mylog [11:17] <Jowi> did you put in the vertical refresh as well? [11:17] <Wilf> yes [11:17] <Jowi> good [11:17] <penny> nano mylog [11:17] <Wilf> dinner, back in a while. [11:18] <penny> O.O [11:19] <Madpilot> penny: wrong window? [11:20] <Jowi> Wilf: next step is to remove your faulty resolutions. in the xorg.conf only use the following modes: "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" for all colordepths and delete the rest. you can add them later if 1024x768 works fine. that will do the trick. I'm off to watch a movie now [11:20] <Prower> SSkroeder: Security updates are done for the packages, but they're not necessarily bumped up to the latest version at that time...so you can be pretty confident the version you're using is secure, just not the newest [11:20] <SSkroeder> Prower: ok ... [11:20] <penny> cinema [11:22] <Jowi> cu guys [11:23] <bartekp> hi [11:24] <pef> hello [11:27] <Madpilot> back in a bit - actually need to shut this box down for the first time in a week... [11:31] <mediamill> anyone using ubuntu as a production hosting server? [11:32] <Wilf> ok, back. [11:32] <Wilf> so i've entered my monitor settings incorrectly [11:33] <Di42lo> hello [11:33] <Prower> mediamill: I will be once I have apache configured and everything :> [11:34] <Di42lo> how can i compile my dialer to the internet in ubuntu if i dont have internet and i cant install gcc [11:34] <mediamill> I just managed to do Apache2 with php, perl mysql, and phpmyadmin via synaptic. have not checked the config yet but its running. [11:35] <Di42lo> mediamill: it was designed to be running [11:35] <gabriel> reboted and nautilus now working again. when i get to shared folder on wxp machine i get prompted for username and password. no user password combination works.. not even blank. how can i gain access to folder? [11:36] <joseph> i can connect to messenger but cant move on to other internet sites other then file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html.....helppp whats wrong [11:38] <joseph> it says the operation timeed out when attemptin to connect to www. blah blah.com....need help..i can only connect to messanger but cant go to other sites other thanfile:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html [11:38] <joseph> helllllpppppppppppp [11:39] <penny> ... [11:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> any gues how long 14GB will take to put into a tar.bz2? [11:39] <penny> kidding [11:39] <HrdwrBoB> Kamping_Kaiser: a long time [11:39] <gabriel> when i get shared password wrong 10 times or more i get a nautilus hang. how do i unfreez it? [11:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. was hoping for a closer figure ;) [11:39] <HrdwrBoB> Kamping_Kaiser: also gzip would be better [11:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> gzip? why? [11:39] <HrdwrBoB> bzip2 would hammer your CPU [11:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh it is [11:40] <penny> really? [11:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> joseph: can you ping websites by ip address? [11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> so no ;| [11:41] <Wilf> how do i list all process ID's [11:41] <can-o-worms> i have a samba share on a ubuntu box that i can access with linux or windows, but not from osx... i know there is nothing wrong with the osx box because it can access a samba share on a gentoo box i have .... anyone seen anything like this? [11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> ps or top? [11:41] <penny> ps uax [11:43] <kemik> can-o-worms: well your sambashare seem to work aswell since you can acces it from windows/linux ;) [11:43] <kemik> can-o-worms: but it does seem strange [11:43] <Di42lo> how can i compile my dialer to the internet in ubuntu if i dont have internet and i cant install gcc? [11:43] <can-o-worms> kemik: it is really strange... it actually locks finder up [11:44] <kemik> can-o-worms: maybe you mistyped the adress? or blokcing the OSX machine in a firewall ? [11:44] <kemik> Di42lo: apt-get install build-essential.. it could be on the CD, im not sure [11:44] <kemik> !compile [11:44] <ubotu> somebody said compile was tar -zxvf tarball, cd blah, ./configure, make, make install or install by hand Ask me about <compiling> [11:44] <kemik> !compiling [11:45] <can-o-worms> kemik: i am just doubling clicking the icon in osx, and there is no firewall, the gentoo box is 192.168.0.8 and ubuntu is 192.168.0.6 [11:45] <ubuntunobuntu> hi there. ive got some noob question: How can I set an alarm for birthdays in Evolution? [11:45] <can-o-worms> kemik: do you have an osx box? [11:46] <kemik> can-o-worms: so the share "appears" on the network, but trying to access it hangs you OSX application (finder) [11:46] <kemik> can-o-worms: luckily no ;) hehe [11:46] <can-o-worms> kemik: exactly... but windows and another ubuntu box have no problem with it [11:47] <kemik> and the gentoo box and ubuntu box has the same settings for their shares? (access-wise) [11:47] <kemik> can-o-worms: gentoo and ubuntu using hte same version of samba? [11:47] <can-o-worms> kemik: not exactly, i tried copying the config file straight over and had a few problems [11:48] <can-o-worms> kemik: but the actually share part is the same.... the global has a couple of different parts [11:48] <can-o-worms> kemik: do you use samba? [11:49] <mediamill> big respects to all involved in ubuntu, just installed it and I'm very impressed. My new favorite distro [11:49] <kemik> can-o-worms: not much these days.. since i've migrated all my computers to debian / ubuntu .. but sometimes i dualboot this one to windows... so yes i use samba but mostly NFS [11:50] <kemik> mediamill: nice ;) [11:50] <Madpilot> how do I check to see if a SCSI device has been detected by Ubuntu? [11:51] <michi-23123> hello, please help me [11:51] <HrdwrBoB> Madpilot: look in dmesg? [11:51] <michi-23123> does anyone know how to mount a usb stick on solaris [11:52] <can-o-worms> kemik: it is just that the unbuntu starter guide talks about using a smbusers file, but i just use smbpasswd file [11:52] <michi-23123> very impotan [11:52] <michi-23123> very important [11:52] <kemik> michi-23123: solaris ? [11:52] <michi-23123> sun solaris [11:52] <michi-23123> unix [11:53] <Madpilot> HrdwrBoB: how can I use the massive output from dmesg and find any mention of SCSI? [11:53] <kemik> michi-23123: and this is #ubuntu -linux [11:53] <michi-23123> i know [11:53] <Wilf> Jowi, thoreauputic: I WIN! [11:53] <Wilf> THANKS SO MUCH! [11:54] <michi-23123> but perhaps there is someboy who knows this [11:54] <HrdwrBoB> Madpilot: pipe it to less [11:54] <thoreauputic> Wilf: how did you fix it? [11:54] <HrdwrBoB> :) [11:54] <kemik> michi-23123: i'd imagine solaris and ubuntu differs quite alot [11:54] <Wilf> thoreauputic, horizontal and vertical frequencies [11:54] <Madpilot> HrdwrBoB: thanks, should have thought of that... [11:54] <thoreauputic> ah! [11:54] <thoreauputic> Wilf: congrats 1 [11:55] <thoreauputic> heh s/1/! [11:55] <clem_yeats> michi-23123: join #solaris and ask there [11:55] <Wilf> ^_^ [11:55] <kemik> can-o-worms: dont know what can be causing you problems really. could be a bug, bad-config etc.. :/ [11:57] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: or dmesg | grep -i SCSI I suppose ? [11:57] <can-o-worms> kemik: yeah... thanks for your time... thoreauputic might know something [11:57] <can-o-worms> thoreauputic: do you use samba with your mac? [11:58] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: hmmm, that gives no output, but I did see something about scsi when I piped to less and read the blasted thing... [11:59] <thoreauputic> can-o-worms: yes, but it tends to be slow - I use ssh/scp for preference [11:59] <thoreauputic> can-o-worms: of course that's mostly about me being too lazy to configure samba properly ;) [12:00] <Madpilot> old-school SCSI tech is great - so *clumsy* compared to USB... ;) [12:00] <can-o-worms> thoreauputic: well, i have a share on a ubuntu box that locks up finder when i try to open it [12:00] <can-o-worms> thoreauputic: but i can open the share from linux and windows without a problem [12:01] <can-o-worms> thoreauputic: the osx box is ok, because it doesn't have any problems opening a samba share on a gentoo box [12:01] <thoreauputic> can-o-worms: so I gathered - I'm afraid I'm no samba expert - I use nfs and scp here [12:01] <thoreauputic> although nfs with OS-X is a pain too... [12:01] <can-o-worms> thoreauputic: fair enough... i suppose it is just a matter of pulling out some more hair [12:01] <thoreauputic> :) [12:04] <linux_ubuntu> hello room [12:05] <steve_> hello [12:05] <linux_ubuntu> is there anyone can help me? [12:05] <Madpilot> linux_ubuntu: that depends on your questions [12:06] <zaphands> Hello everyone! After activating firestarter firewall I can't access my LAN. I'm using eth0 for my modem, eth1 for LAN's router and I don't want internet connection sharing. [12:06] <linux_ubuntu> my browser is not working at all [12:06] <linux_ubuntu> dialup connects correctly [12:07] <linux_ubuntu> is there a problem with firefox? [12:07] <Wilf> ok all up and running :D [12:07] <Wilf> how do i make it fluxbox instead of gnome? [12:07] <steve_> is there any1 in here from blackpool [12:08] <linux_ubuntu> is this room alive? [12:08] <Ex_Cyber> linux_ubuntu: what happens when you try to access a web site? [12:09] <linux_ubuntu> it says could not find address check and try again [12:09] <Madpilot> linux_ubuntu: try google.com or something that you *know* won't be down... [12:10] <Ex_Cyber> no [12:10] <Ex_Cyber> if the address can't be found it doesn't matter if the remote site is down [12:10] <Ex_Cyber> as you can't contact it to begin with [12:11] <linux_ubuntu> i tried every thing i know like yahoo and msn [12:11] <linux_ubuntu> my modem is lucent win modem [12:11] <Madpilot> linux_ubuntu: are you on dailup right now? IRC is working, then? [12:11] <linux_ubuntu> no i am at other pc now [12:12] <linux_ubuntu> i check in the terminal window that ip's assigned correctly [12:12] <Ex_Cyber> linux_ubuntu: can you paste the contents of the file /etc/resolv.conf to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl ? [12:12] <Ex_Cyber> also, do you have an ethernet interface on your system? [12:12] <Ex_Cyber> or any other network interface besides loopback [12:12] <Madpilot> linux_ubuntu: I haven't used dailup in a long time, and never w/ Linux, sorry... [12:13] <linux_ubuntu> will it be good to use linux on dial up [12:13] <linux_ubuntu> coz there are lots of mbs data to download [12:14] <Ex_Cyber> so far it's worked better than XP for me with this ISP, after tweaking some settings that had REALLY strange defaults in Ubuntu [12:14] <Ex_Cyber> but this ISP isn't very good [12:14] <Ex_Cyber> either that or something is wrong with my brother's modem [12:15] <Ex_Cyber> but if you want to do full updates and such prepare to be waiting a while [12:15] <linux_ubuntu> it will take long time to download from web [12:15] <Ex_Cyber> if you have an unmetered connection you can probably learn to cope [12:15] <linux_ubuntu> this is 56k modem [12:15] <Ex_Cyber> I usually browse with images turned off to speed things up... you don't *need* to do that if your connection is decent, but it helps [12:16] <stretched_lobes> hello [12:16] <Ex_Cyber> I just need to do it because performance is really inconsistent on my connection [12:16] <DocTomoe> linux_ubuntu: so what? Windows Up^MPatches are hardly small :) [12:16] <linux_ubuntu> some one told me tweak DNS setting . have any idea? [12:17] <jtan325> does anyone here know anything about maintaining debian/ubuntu packages? [12:17] <stretched_lobes> i am having a problem configuring my router/phone adapter that came with vonage [12:17] <DocTomoe> linux_ubuntu: How long have you used linux? Changing DNS is something beginners should not do. [12:17] <stretched_lobes> what tools if any do i neetd to fix this [12:17] <Ng> DocTomoe: ?! [12:17] <linux_ubuntu> its been a week now [12:17] <Madpilot> jtan325: might want to ask on ubuntu-devel [12:18] <jtan325> Madpilot, i asked on ubuntu-motu [12:18] <Ng> DocTomoe: are you saying editing a small file, or using a gui program is beyond a new user? [12:18] <jtan325> not getting a word... [12:18] <jtan325> like when i ask any n00b question, politely [12:18] <jtan325> i seem to be ignored :-( [12:18] <morbidi> jtan325: ask [12:18] <DocTomoe> Ng: I am saying changing system-critical files without an idea what may happen is not a good thing to do [12:18] <jtan325> morbidi, i am building a package for a pretty simple program [12:18] <chrys_seren> hi [12:18] <Madpilot> jtan325: ah, OK. not sure what the difference is between -motu and -devel - but somebody here might know anyway... [12:18] <jtan325> i am following the new maintainer's guide [12:19] <Ng> DocTomoe: DNS isn't that system-critical and it's clearly broken already [12:19] <jtan325> and i have reached the chapter on building [12:19] <jtan325> now, i think i've done all the steps correctly [12:19] <Ex_Cyber> DocTomoe: yeah, if he edits /etc/resolv.conf his name resolution might break... :/ [12:19] <morbidi> jtan325: that's not a n00b question [12:19] <jtan325> lol [12:19] <jtan325> just wait [12:19] <chrys_seren> i upgraded *something* (linux-headers?) yesterday together with a small unrelated install -- thought it was a security update... [12:19] <morbidi> I never made a package [12:19] <zaphands> Anyone undestands the iptables? [12:19] <chrys_seren> and now have a kernel panic on my hands: [12:19] <stretched_lobes> I have a networking area and also network tools on the system [12:19] <jtan325> set up my rules, my control, my copyright [12:20] <DocTomoe> Ex_Cyber: linux_ubuntu states that he has one mere week of experience with linux. do you think that this level of beginner should really work as root? [12:20] <stretched_lobes> any other programs to help [12:20] <Ng> zaphands: probably several of us [12:20] <DocTomoe> probably he even has not any clue of the shell. [12:20] <chrys_seren> (reiser fs on /dev/hd6, i think, unable to mount root fs on unknown block (0,0) [12:20] <Ng> DocTomoe: if he wants his DNS to work, I reckon it'd be a good start [12:20] <morbidi> zaphands: ask [12:20] <Ex_Cyber> DocTomoe: considering that the alternative is to not have a system that is useful, yes [12:20] <zaphands> I can't access the LAN after activating firestarter [12:20] <Ng> deactivate firestarter then ;) [12:21] <penny> ... [12:21] <DocTomoe> Ng: He states that his connection is slow. he also states that his system uses a 56k modem. I do not see how fucking up the DNS configuration can solve this. [12:21] <Ng> zaphands: can you ping anything on the LAN after? and can anything else on the lan ping you? [12:21] <Madpilot> later, everyone [12:21] <zaphands> Ng: ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted [12:21] <Ex_Cyber> DocTomoe: he says that he can't get his browser to resolve addresses [12:22] <penny> ping loopback,localhost,getway and ... [12:22] <penny> traceroute [12:22] <Ex_Cyber> in any case, I asked to see resolv.conf, I did not suggest editing it blindly [12:22] <Ng> DocTomoe: well I wasn't paying all that much attention, but I'm pretty sure he was saying he couldn't resolve things, so it's not working and slow, it's broken. also there's no need to swear [12:22] <jtan325> the problem i am running into, when i do "debuild -us -uc", is i get stuff about [12:22] <Ng> zaphands: sudo ping then ;) [12:23] <DocTomoe> My wrong, *that* info I didn't get. [12:23] <jtan325> cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.sub config.sub [12:23] <jtan325> cp: `/usr/share/misc/config.sub' and `config.sub' are the same file [12:23] <jtan325> make: *** [clean] Error 1 [12:23] <jtan325> and i can't figure out what i'm doing wrong [12:23] <penny> ... [12:23] <penny> ...... [12:24] <Ng> jtan325: do you have a config.sub symlink in your source tree? [12:24] <jtan325> i think so? [12:24] <jtan325> yes [12:24] <zaphands> Ng: Would you care to look at my `iptables -L`? (i'll paste it to #flood) [12:25] <linux_ubuntu> my firefox is not recognising my dialup connection [12:25] <linux_ubuntu> so no browsing [12:25] <morbidi> linux_ubuntu: can you ping something ? [12:25] <ndlovu> I'm trying to install java, but apt can't find the package (E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5). Wrong repositories? [12:25] <linux_ubuntu> i tried dig www.google.com [12:26] <jtan325> Ng, did you have an idea about it? [12:26] <linux_ubuntu> it said some dns error [12:26] <Ng> zaphands: could you use pastebin instead? [12:26] <zaphands> Ng: sure [12:26] <Ng> jtan325: I'm just wondering if your source has a config.sub symlink to /usr/share whatever, if so rm it [12:26] <ndlovu> have checked the wiki and ubuntuguide and followed those instructions [12:26] <jtan325> my program does have to run aclocal, libtoolize, autoheader, automake, and autoconf before the "./configure" [12:27] <linux_ubuntu> i tried apt-get update and it go well [12:27] <jtan325> Ng, yeah i will try that [12:27] <jamal> halo kenalan dong [12:27] <chrys_seren> all right, i'll boot from cd and have a look at the grub's menu.lst, but if it doesn't work, i'll be back. [12:27] <zaphands> Ng: Is it #pastebin? [12:28] <Ex_Cyber> linux_ubuntu: if the update really happened it should take at least a few minutes on dialup [12:28] <Wilf> how do i go about making ubuntu run fluxbox? [12:28] <ApellA> good afternoon [12:28] <Wilf> !fluxbox [12:28] <ubotu> Wilf: Bugger all, i dunno [12:28] <Wilf> :( [12:28] <apokryphos> Wilf: install it? [12:28] <Ng> zaphands: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ [12:28] <linux_ubuntu> yes it did good for some time [12:28] <jamal> halo [12:28] <Wilf> apokryphos, is it that easy? [12:29] <apokryphos> Wilf: probably [12:29] <ApellA> wilf: never tought about it? :) [12:29] <Wilf> gnome on a P1 166 with 96mb of ram is bad [12:29] <ApellA> wilf: if it doesnt work, just deinstall it again, and gone is that problem:) [12:30] <apokryphos> Wilf: thoreauputic is the one to ask ;-) [12:30] <Wilf> he is good [12:30] <Wilf> or she [12:30] <kemik> Wilf: use IceWm on such slow system [12:30] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: no factoid for fluxbox? :/ [12:30] <Wilf> IceWM? [12:30] <Wilf> ok [12:30] <kemik> Wilf: im running icewm on my p2-233 64mb ram laptop [12:30] <zaphands> Ng: Done. [12:30] <Wilf> is it better for slower systems? [12:30] <kemik> Wilf: icewm is designed to use as little resources as possible [12:31] <ApellA> anyone knows something about scripting? I would like to make a scipt that shuts down esd just by using a click instead of allways going to the menu and so on [12:31] <Wilf> ah, i'll use that then [12:31] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: the hoary package for fluxbox has... some issues [12:31] <kemik> "The goal of IceWM is speed, simplicity, and not getting in the user's way." [12:31] <linux_ubuntu> does anyone have answer for me? [12:31] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: usable? [12:31] <Wilf> can i just install it? [12:31] <ndlovu> does anyone know why java's not in the repositories (sun-j2re1.5)? [12:32] <kemik> ApellA: touch killesd.sh ; echo "sudo killall esd" ; chmod a+x killesd.sh ; perhaps. ;) [12:32] <ApellA> linux_ubuntu: what is your question? (came in only later [12:32] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: for some people it works fine, others have troubles: the answer is to recompile using --disable-xmb [12:32] <kemik> ndlovu: licensing issues i think [12:32] <ApellA> kemik: thx [12:33] <kemik> oh.. that echo line is wrong of course [12:33] <Ex_Cyber> linux_ubuntu: do you have any other networking interfaces on your system? [12:33] <ndlovu> kemik: is that a new development? I know I've installed it on a computer less than a week ago [12:33] <kemik> echo "sudo killall esd" > killesd.sh [12:33] <ApellA> ok, i'm not really getting it:) [12:33] <thoreauputic> ndlovu: it's in hoary-extras, but the mirror ahd an inaccurate Packages.gz a few hours ago [12:34] <kemik> ndlovu: jre is in some repository not the official ones [12:34] <thoreauputic> !get java [12:34] <ubotu> thoreauputic: I haven't a clue [12:34] <thoreauputic> hah [12:34] <Ng> zaphands: did it give you a url to give me so I can see it? ;) [12:34] <thoreauputic> bob2 must have wiped his factoid [12:34] <ndlovu> thoreauputic: thanks, so in other words just wait for a while until it comes back? [12:35] <Ng> zaphands: actually, never mind, I found it [12:35] <zaphands> Ng: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/344885 [12:35] <thoreauputic> ndlovu: do you have hoary-extras ? If so yes [12:35] <HrdwrBoB> !java [12:35] <ubotu> java is probably to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [12:35] <Ng> zaphands: :) [12:35] <thoreauputic> ndlovu: the other way is to download the deb directly with wget [12:35] <ndlovu> kemik: I have all the unofficial repositories installed, so it should be there. [12:35] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: the repo has a problem [12:36] <kemik> ndlovu: follow the guide ubotu opsted [12:36] <kemik> oh [12:36] <kemik> or listen to thoreauputic [12:36] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic: ah [12:36] <ndlovu> thoreauputic: but won't that possibly give issues in the future with upgrades and the like? [12:36] <Ng> zaphands: my first reaction is that firestarter is junk, but let me read on ;) [12:36] <thoreauputic> ... unless it's been fixed [12:36] <thoreauputic> ndlovu: I meant d/l it from the repo itself [12:37] <thoreauputic> ndlovu: same deb.. [12:37] <thoreauputic> Ng: firestarter is fine: PEBCAK [12:38] <HrdwrBoB> my first reaction to firestarter is: why are you bothering [12:38] <ApellA> kemik: sorry for being such a pain in the ass (:)) but could you plz give the command again (correct) cause it doesnt really work:) [12:38] <zaphands> Is there a better firewall gui? [12:39] <ndlovu> thoreauputic: thanks for the advice. will wait a few hours and if it's still not there will try wget. [12:39] <Ng> thoreauputic: does it not do stateful firewalls though? I can construct the same firewall as this by hand in a very few lines :) [12:39] <Ng> zaphands: I tend to believe that the only way is to do it by hand, but I appreciate that that is too complex for many people to be bothered with [12:39] <thoreauputic> Ng: I wasn't commenting on elegance ;) Just that it works... [12:39] <Ng> zaphands: I'd suggest setting your OUTPUT policy to ACCEPt, there's usually little point bothering with output rules [12:40] <ApellA> kemik: sorry for being such a pain in the ass (:)) but could you plz give the command again (correct) cause it doesnt really work:) [12:41] <ApellA> wow, suddenly, it all was quit [12:41] <zaphands> Ng: How do I do that? [12:42] <Ng> zaphands: I'm afraid I don't know firestarter. the iptables command would be "sudo iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT" [12:42] <zaphands> Ng: Got it. nevermind. [12:42] <why-oh-why> Hi! How can I reboot your computer remotely on Solaris? [12:43] <TraceGreen> Hello, if i boot linux with bootsplash, then, i will find /proc/splash, is it right? [12:43] <thoreauputic> why-oh-why: erm, ssh ubuntu.box.box ; sudo shutdown -r now ? [12:44] <zaphands> Ng: That is not the rule that's blocking my LAN though. [12:45] <Ng> zaphands: you'll probably need to add a rule allowing your lan ip range access [12:45] <zaphands> Ng: Did I say I use two network interfaces? eth0 for modem and eth1 for LAN? [12:47] <zaphands> Ng: ACCEPT all -- 192.168.1.1 anywhere [12:47] <zaphands> ACCEPT all -- anywhere 192.168.1.1 [12:47] <zaphands> Doesn't work. :-S [12:47] <thoreauputic> zaphands: in the policy tab of firestarter you should be able to right-click in the policy fields to add rules... Maybe easier than hacking iptables for you (or me for that matter ;) ) [12:47] <Ng> zaphands: well I don't know then, it's a firestarter problem [12:48] <zaphands> Ng: How can I do it with iptables? [12:48] <Wilf> god i'm dumb [12:48] <Wilf> i've just downloaded the AMSN .deb [12:48] <Wilf> how do i install it? [12:49] <Ng> sudo dpkg -i foo.deb [12:49] <thoreauputic> Wilf: hmm - no need to do that [12:49] <zaphands> thoreauputic: That's what I did... [12:49] <why-oh-why> Milf? [12:49] <NanoBCN> Wilf, not happy with Gaim? [12:49] <thoreauputic> Wilf: amsn is in the universe repo afaik [12:49] <Wilf> i prefer AMSN [12:49] <Ng> zaphands: sudo iptables -I INPUT 1 -s 192.168.1.0/24 -j ACCEPT [12:49] <Ng> zaphands: that will allow 192.168.1.1-192.168.1.254 to access your machine [12:49] <Wilf> dpkg! [12:49] <Wilf> it's coming back :| [12:50] <Wilf> thanks Ng [12:50] <bonvenon> Wilf: sudo apt-get install amsn [12:50] <zaphands> Ng: What does the "/24" mean? [12:50] <Ng> zaphands: the same as /255.255.255.0 but in CIDR form - ie a netmask [12:50] <thoreauputic> Wilf: why are you downloading debs? use the apt tools to get your stuff as bonvenon suggested [12:51] <Wilf> thoreauputic, it can't find package amsn [12:51] <Wilf> my lists must be outdated... [12:52] <thoreauputic> Wilf: enable universe repo [12:52] <thoreauputic> !repos [12:52] <ubotu> methinks repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [12:52] <thoreauputic> !info amsn [12:52] <ubotu> amsn: (An MSN messenger written in tcl), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.94-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1946 kB, Installed size: 6976 kB [12:52] <Wilf> ah [12:52] <Wilf> thanks [12:52] <thoreauputic> :) [12:52] <repete> Hi all [12:52] <repete> Anyone know if the 20050823 ISO was broken? [12:53] <Wilf> this is good [12:53] <Wilf> so much faster then 98 [12:54] <zaphands> Ng: It's not working. How do I remove the rule? [12:54] <Stormx> Hi Sexies [12:54] <Ng> zaphands: same command again, but with "-D INPUT" instead of "-I INPUT 1" [12:55] <zaphands> Ng: Maybe I need an output rule as well. [12:56] <Ng> zaphands: the output policy should be ACCEPT really, unless you have specific need to block outbound traffic [12:56] <ijal> GESIT [12:57] <PPower> I am getting Bad Header Line error when connecting to the official ubuntu respritory [12:57] <zaphands> Ng: iptables -I INPUT 1 -s 192.168.1.0/24 -j ACCEPT Worked! Thanks. [12:57] <bilge> Hi, I have mysql server and client running, all okay, but i cannot connect to the machine remotely, my db permissions look fine. If i port scan, 3306 does not show? What do i need to do to get remote access working? [12:57] <zaphands> Ng: Replacing INPUT=OUTPUT. [12:58] <Stormx> bilge: Port Forward? [12:59] <Ng> zaphands: also change -s to -d [12:59] <Ng> (for the OUTPUT one) [12:59] <zaphands> Ng: Will these settings be saved after reboot? [12:59] <tahorg> anyone can tell me my 12 applets use 104MB in _RSS_ in breezy ? [12:59] <Ng> zaphands: no [01:00] <Ng> tahorg: how much of that is shared though? [01:00] <tahorg> it uses about 42MB on hoary [01:00] <Ng> also, linux memory reporting is rubbish ;) [01:00] <Stormx> PPower: Try using the official repo list [01:00] <Stormx> !repo [01:00] <tahorg> Ng: RSS, which means Resident [01:00] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Stormx [01:00] <Stormx> !repos [01:00] <ubotu> repos is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [01:00] <tahorg> Ng: in virtual it's about the double [01:00] <PPower> Stormx: I am, I used the one from the Synaptic dropdown combo [01:01] <Stormx> PPower: You can get errors, its normal, or so Seveas told me. [01:01] <Ng> tahorg: RSS is code and data, can not the code section include shared libraries and so on? [01:01] <Ng> virtual is the full map, ignore it, it means nothing [01:01] <PPower> Would I have better luck with a mirror. I have been getting these error all day and quite a lot last week. [01:02] <zaphands> Thanks everyone! goodbye. [01:05] <TraceGreen> Hello, what's the relationship between bootsplash and grub/lilo? [01:06] <PPower> Are you talking about Project Bootsplash? [01:08] <repete> TraceGreen: what are you trying to do? [01:09] <TraceGreen> repete, i want to add bootsplash into knoppix, work just like gnoppix [01:09] <selinium> hi all, how do you start xmms without it starting a tab on the desktop? [01:10] <battletux> does anyone know whats going on with the repos? [01:10] <nerdy2> battletux: something off with them? [01:11] <battletux> yeah the backports dont seem to jave and a few other packages on them [01:11] <selinium> battletux: I can find no issue with them [01:11] <battletux> hmm starge [01:11] <battletux> brb [01:12] <thoreauputic> battletux: bob2 said the backports Packages.gz was wrong [01:12] <thoreauputic> a few hours back anyway [01:12] <selinium> battletux: java ? sun-j2re1.5 ? [01:12] <selinium> hi thoreauputic! [01:13] <thoreauputic> hi selinium [01:13] <PPower> TraceGreen: If you are talking about the www.bootsplash.org one then I dunno. But I would like someone to explain to me how to set up the usertools [01:13] <Seveas> battletux/selinium, you can grab a java deb from seveas.ubuntulinux.nl [01:13] <selinium> Hi Seveas, cool [01:13] <Seveas> these packages aren't as brain-dead as the ones from hoary-extras [01:13] <Seveas> ie: no newer libgcc needed [01:14] <battletux> selinium yeah sorry j2rel1.5 [01:14] <TraceGreen> PPower, what do you mean? [01:14] <PPower> Well the main server is still down: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/Release.gpg: Bad header line [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] [01:14] <Seveas> PPower, I get no such problem here... [01:14] <repete> TraceGreen: yea, sorry, bootsplash is a bit of a dark art that i never properly understood [01:14] <PPower> TraceGreen:When you say bootsplash do you mean the one from bootsplash.org [01:14] <Seveas> PPower, tru us.archive or se.archive if the problem persists [01:15] <PPower> Thanks [01:15] <TraceGreen> PPower, hes. :-) [01:15] <repete> wasn't sure if you had a simple "how to I tell grub I want to use a bootsplash?" questions :-) [01:15] <PPower> Well you add splash=silent or whatever to the bootline [01:15] <TraceGreen> repete, actually, no. i want to add bootsplash to knoppix liveCD [01:15] <repete> right, saw that... [01:15] <PPower> Well you will have to remake the cd [01:16] <PPower> or DVD :-) [01:16] <Stormx> PPower: Isn't it a case of just copying the image over and editing grub? [01:16] <repete> Is it possible to do a network install of Ubuntu? [01:16] <repete> I'm trying to fix a failed install... [01:17] <Stormx> Also, while anyone is here, can someone tell me why alien isn't working: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/344533 [01:17] <PPower> Stormx:Well from what it says on the webpage it involves adding the splash to the initrd and then calling up the splash from GRUB. Can anyone give me a guide to set up a splash on my box. From the bit where there is those strange commands for the init. [01:18] <selinium> Seveas: DO you know of a way of starting xmms without it creating a tab? I want to use gxmms but it seems silly to have xmms refenced all over the shop [01:18] <selinium> referenced* [01:18] <thoreauputic> Stormx: because you are tring to use alien on a *tar.gz [01:18] <Stormx> thoreauputic: >.< But seveas said you couuuld [01:19] <thoreauputic> Stormx: only if it's a slackware package ( .tgz) [01:19] <Seveas> 'tab'? [01:19] <Seveas> as in: an icon in your taskbar? [01:19] <thoreauputic> Stormx: yours is probably source code or maybe a binary - either way you need to untar it [01:19] <Seveas> Stormx, no [01:20] <Seveas> alien can work on .tgz - if it is a slackware package [01:20] <Seveas> .tar.gz is impossible [01:20] <thoreauputic> Seveas: erm.. I told him above, in case you didn't notice [01:20] <mjr> is there an easy way to fetch all dependencies for certain packages, regardless of whether they're installed? (apt-get -d --reinstall gets the packages themselves, but no dependencies) [01:21] <selinium> Seveas: yes the icon in the task bar. It is taking up valuable space! :) [01:21] <mjr> (if said dependencies are installed, that is) [01:21] <toosey> how can i prevent apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade linux-image* ? [01:21] <battletux> Seveas: thanks for your repo, jre is now installing :) [01:21] <n> How do I regenerate a configure file? [01:21] <Seveas> selinium, ENOCLUE about that [01:21] <Seveas> n, dpkg-reconfigure [01:22] <NanoBCN> hi guys, any of you running Breezy? [01:22] <selinium> Seveas: Cheers :) [01:22] <repete> NanoBCN: I would be if I could get it installed :-) [01:22] <n> seveas: umm, no. I mean I just changed some files in /conf/m4 (of some source code) [01:23] <NanoBCN> repete, :( I can use that as an answer to what I wanted to ask... [01:24] <Seveas> n, download the tarball again :) [01:24] <NanoBCN> I was about to ask if breeze was mature enough to migrate already [01:24] <repete> NanoBCN: sorry, dude. Just frustrated.. [01:24] <Seveas> NanoBCN, not if you want a stable system [01:25] <NanoBCN> I migrated to hoary long before it was released and looked pretty stable to me [01:25] <NanoBCN> that's why I asked [01:25] <NanoBCN> but I guess I can wait a couple of months more [01:27] <bonvenon> can someone help me figure out why my usb memory no longer mounts automagicly? [01:27] <shinu> hello everyone [01:28] <selinium> NanoBCN: People have installed it and cant even get x running [01:28] <shinu> hwo do i check what process is still using some folder? [01:28] <shinu> how* [01:28] <NanoBCN> selinium, I'll wait. Thanks [01:28] <bonvenon> I'm running hoary, but with a breezy kernel. I guess that might be the problem, but now I don't even get it to work in the old one... [01:29] <wolki> NanoBCN: you can try the live cd to see if it works [01:30] <selinium> wolki: Hadn't even thought about that! [01:31] <bonvenon> anyone?! [01:31] <NanoBCN> woki, I'm affraid it's not enough since it might change when installing it [01:31] <NanoBCN> wolki, sorry [01:32] <selinium> Seveas: I just auto upgraded with your repo up. It has installed transcode as well. That isn't likely to cause any trouble is it? [01:33] <battletux> hmm it seems acroread 7 has also disappeared from the backports [01:33] <selinium> NanoBCN: Live CD just loads into memory. it does not over right your system? Does it? [01:33] <mwest> is it possible to do a network installation of Hoary via FTP instead of HTTP? [01:34] <mwest> it looks like the installer is hardcoded to tag "http://" in front of the source mirror :-( [01:34] <thoreauputic> battletux: it will still be there - the problem is the file Packages.gz is wrong so apt can't find stuff [01:35] <Seveas> selinium, it's transcode from breezy [01:35] <battletux> thoreauputic: that may explain also why the mirrormax servers seem down for me, thanks [01:35] <Seveas> selinium, and the server is NOT online 24/7, so apt-get update may fail at times if you have it in your sources.list [01:36] <toosey> how can i teach apt-get dist-upgrade not to upgrade linux-image* ? [01:36] <Seveas> pin it [01:36] <shinu> can mkfs.vfat make a filesystem on a drive of 20gb in 5 seconds? [01:36] <Seveas> or put it on version lock in synaptic [01:37] <selinium> Seveas: Does that meann it will not function. I switched the repo on when you did the wammu/gammu stuff. I switch it stright off [01:37] <siretart> can please anyone with breezy try to open a png file with the gimp? - this fails for me because of some missing input filter [01:37] <siretart> I cannot image which package I would miss. can someone confirm this before I make a bugreport? [01:37] <Seveas> selinium, the server does work, I just switch the thing off at night [01:38] <Seveas> at that time apt-get update will fail on it ;) [01:38] <Seveas> siretart, libpng? [01:38] <selinium> Seveas: I don't have your repo in my list all the time. I meant will the transcode work? :) [01:38] <thoreauputic> battletux: mirrormax is pingable so it isn't actually down [01:38] <Seveas> the transcode will work :) [01:39] <battletux> thoreauputic: for me apt-get update wont retreve listings from thoses servers [01:39] <siretart> Seveas: is installed. [01:39] <thoreauputic> battletux: right, the Packages.gz is misconfigured somehow [01:40] <battletux> oh well i'll just try in a few days see if it gets fixed [01:40] <klien> ada yg bisa indonesia ga yah? [01:41] <klien> help ..!!!! [01:42] <Malin> is it ok to install ubuntu on primary slave disc or should i rather install it on primary master? [i got windows on my primary master disc] [01:43] <selinium> battletux: acroread-plugins 7 is there. Is that what you want? [01:44] <selinium> Malin: I had no probs installing it on the Slave [01:44] <battletux> selinium: yeah, using acroread just installs version 5 for me [01:44] <siretart> Malin: linux, or better grub does not have any problems with that configuration [01:45] <siretart> Malin: I think you will need to install GRUB in the MBR, the installer will ask you this question [01:45] <selinium> battletux: search for acroread-plugins [01:45] <battletux> selinium: will do thanks [01:45] <battletux> right lunch time, i'm off: thanks for all the help guys [01:45] <Malin> siretart, it will not do any harm to my data stored on the primary master disc? [01:46] <siretart> Malin: no, not I you don't explicitly ask to do so [01:46] <boze> hello [01:46] <siretart> Malin: btw, backups are ALWAYS a good idea ;) [01:46] <selinium> time for me to do some 'real' work. See you all later! [01:47] <snorks> can someone help me with Could not open "VA.-.Lights.In.Forest-2005-dIz-BFR.rar" [01:47] <Malin> siretart, it's a bit hard to do 40 GB backup, isn't it? :-) [01:47] <snorks> Archive type not supported. [01:47] <Malin> bye selinium [01:47] <boze> I just installed Hoary 5.04, and it never gave me an option for root password [01:47] <selinium> cye Malin [01:47] <selinium> cya [01:47] <snorks> How do I add support for .rars with the interface archive extracter? [01:47] <boze> Can anyone help me with that? [01:47] <bimberi> boze: there isn't one, ubuntu uses sudo for superuser access [01:48] <bimberi> ubotu: tell boze about sudo [01:48] <boze> thats new to me, never heard of sudo [01:48] <Malin> siretart, so i just enter install cd and then choose to format pirmary slave disc and install ubuntu there? nothing will happen to primary master? [01:48] <snorks> boze: SuperUserDO [01:49] <Ng> snorks: make sure you have the multiverse repository and grab rar :) [01:49] <bonvenon> boze: your "root password" is the same as your user password [01:49] <snorks> Ng: gotcha [01:49] <boze> ahhh, k, thanks [01:49] <selinium> snorks: have you installed rar? [01:49] <selinium> snorks: Yeh do as Ng says [01:49] <snorks> selinium: I have the added repos, but there is no rar [01:50] <snorks> selinium: I fetched unrar yesterday [01:50] <siretart> Malin: partman (the partitioner) will ask you for confirmation of any potential destructive actions. [01:50] <Ng> snorks: do you definitely have multiverse? [01:50] <Ng> I'm quite sure it's in multiverse :) [01:50] <siretart> Malin: just read all messages carfully [01:50] <Malin> ok [01:50] <Ng> Filename: pool/multiverse/r/rar/rar_3.30-2_i386.deb [01:50] <boze> thanks Bimberi and Bonvenom, thats all I needed.. ubuntu looks great so far [01:50] <Malin> is it possible to install boot loader after installing the whole os? [01:50] <siretart> it turns out that my png was corrupt. [01:52] <Malin> i could just switch off the other disc, install ubuntu and then switch it on after installing [01:52] <Malin> so i'm sure i didn't do anything stupid with my data [01:52] <snorks> Ng: I added a repo now called hoary 5.04 multiverse (source). why is it source? [01:52] <Seveas> snorks, you don't need the source repositories as normal user [01:52] <Ng> snorks: you want the binary one, not the source one [01:53] <Ng> the source repositories are only if you want the actual source code to edit/recompile [01:53] <snorks> Ng: ok, changed it to binary, still no rar when I search for it [01:53] <snorks> Ng: strange :/ [01:53] <Ng> have you refreshed the apt listings? [01:53] <bimberi> snorks: did you update (or reload) [01:54] <DjKritical> Hey I just heard about ubuntu... I only really have one question before I give it a go... does Ubuntu use Apt-get like debian? [01:54] <bimberi> DjKritical: yes [01:55] <DjKritical> okay and I lied.. one more question.. does Ubuntu use gnome or kde? [01:55] <Malin> DjKritical: gnome [01:55] <Ng> bimberi: yours uses the terms that apt/synpaptic would use, which is probably better really. either way is fine if the meaning makes it through though :) [01:55] <bonvenon> DjKritical: gnome (as default) [01:55] <Malin> there is also Kubuntu which uses KDE [01:55] <bimberi> DjKritical: gnome, but there is kubuntu as well [01:55] <snorks> bimberi: still nothing :/ [01:55] <vader1102> Gnome fot Ubuntu or KDE for Kubuntu [01:55] <azol> hi all. my old pc has no cdrom-drive. How can I install hoary? Is it possible to install from floppy+(ftp/http/nfs)? [01:55] <snorks> bimberi: might be wrong multiverse rep ofcourse. Who knows [01:55] <DjKritical> Is there a big difference? because I'm more use to KDE... but I'm a noob and willing to listen to some good advice [01:56] <Malin> so how about that boot loader i asked a moment ago? [01:56] <Mabus> I'm having some problems importing pictures from my digital camera... gThumb/f-Spot says "Operation not allowed" when trying to get the camera from the USB BUS. If I do 'sudo gthumb' (thus launching it as root), it works ... [01:56] <Mabus> Any tips ? [01:56] <Mabus> Maybe my user needs to be in a group that he's not in currently ? [01:56] <newroz> DjKritical, i like gnome/xfce more.. it looks more proffessional.. [01:56] <thoreauputic> DJ_Mirage: if you like KDE, kubuntu is a better choice - but you can install both from apt repos [01:57] <Ng> snorks: use http://ubuntu.pastebin.com to show us the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list [01:57] <bonvenon> Malin: I think you will need to install grup into the mbr on the primary disk [01:57] <bimberi> snorks: wot Ng sed :) [01:57] <bonvenon> Malin: ...but what do I know [01:58] <SolidRaven> hi everybody [01:59] <snorks> Ng: http://pastebin.com/344919 [01:59] <DjKritical> newroz: okay I'm going to give it a go :D [01:59] <LokeDK> Is there a way to run the kde konsole in gnome? I mean... it looks terrible in gnome [01:59] <snorks> # [01:59] <snorks> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse? [01:59] <ivoks> any1 else having problems with USB2 and breezy? [01:59] <SolidRaven> conclusion: never drink Active O Iced Berry, its crap, belly hurts because of it :p [01:59] <onkarshinde> LokeDK: And why do you want to do that? [01:59] <thoreauputic> LokeDK: some would just say it looks terrible ;) [01:59] <LokeDK> onkarshinde, Because I like the kde konsole [01:59] <marlene> ffg rita [01:59] <SolidRaven> LokeDK > install KDE ;) [01:59] <marlene> hgfdsqazerty [01:59] <LokeDK> No I don't like kde heh [01:59] <newroz> LokeDK, there is a gtk-qt engine .. [01:59] <SolidRaven> it isn't that hard :) [01:59] <marlene> azertyazertyazertyazertyazerty [01:59] <SolidRaven> eventough i needed to reinstall ubuntu after trying but that is just because i am a newb [01:59] <marlene> tytytyttytytytyytytttttttttttytytytyyyyyyyyyyyty [01:59] <Selekta> when synaptic says foo cannot be installed [01:59] <Selekta> what does this mean? [02:00] <Selekta> like, the dependancies [02:00] <jamey> Can someone give me some pointers as to how can I promote FOSS? [02:00] <bonvenon> ivoks: I do, sort of [02:00] <thoreauputic> LokeDK: use gnome-terminal in gnome - you can customise it to look as you wish [02:00] <Selekta> for the dependancies [02:00] <marlene> azzeretrttttyyyyyyyyuuuuiuopo$$^$$$$$ [02:00] <bimberi> marlene: please stop that [02:00] <marlene> *************************************************************************************************************************************************************** [02:00] <Selekta> it says blah is selected, blah cannot be installed [02:00] <ixiz> what is wrong with my soundcard? If I try to open a .mp3 in xmms I just get, could not open audio, and it won't play either in any other music player [02:00] <thoreauputic> marlene: enough [02:00] <Ng> snorks: mental, no idea, but you can grab the .deb directly from http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/utils/rar [02:00] <marlene> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiioooooooooooooooooooo [02:00] <Ng> any ops around? Seveas? ;) [02:00] <bimberi> sigh [02:00] <thoreauputic> !ops [02:00] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia! [02:00] <marlene> mllmmlmllmmlmllmmlmyuyuyuyuyuyuyuyuyuyuyuyuyuyuyuyuyuyuyuyuyuyuuyyuyuyuyuuyyuyuyuyu [02:00] <ivoks> bonvenon: what kind of? [02:01] <onkarshinde> ixiz: nothing wrong woth your sound card. [02:01] <LokeDK> thoreauputic, yeah.. just thought kde's konsole is better. but what the heck [02:01] <bimberi> thoreauputic: beat me to it :) [02:01] <marlene> king of ? [02:01] <snorks> Ng: perhaps because I use amd64? [02:01] <Ng> snorks: oh, yes [02:01] <onkarshinde> ixiz: you will need to install some plugin. I don't know exactly which one. [02:01] <Ng> snorks: I gave up on that and went back to the i386 tree so things actually worked ;) [02:01] <bonvenon> ivoks: I actually run hoary, but with the breezy kernel. my usb flash memory doesn't mount automaticly [02:01] <marlene> wat so name please ? [02:01] <ixiz> onkarshinde: I did install the libmad and gstreamer0.8-mad0 plugin and the ffmpeg and those [02:02] <snorks> Ng: ouchie :( amd64 can't extract .rars? [02:02] <ivoks> bonvenon: ok [02:02] <bonvenon> ivoks: ...and if I mount it with pmount it's very slow [02:02] <Ng> snorks: it probably can, you could force the package to install and it'll probably still work ok [02:02] <ivoks> bonvenon: usb1, right? [02:02] <Selekta> let me rephrase this better :P [02:02] <Selekta> that mode no sence [02:02] <Selekta> in synaptic, when you choose a program, and it needs dependancies, it says some of these dependancies are not installable...what does this mean? [02:02] <bonvenon> ivoks: usb1 speed maybe, but it's an usb2 device [02:02] <ivoks> none of my usb2 devices aren't recognized as USB2 [02:03] <bonvenon> ivoks: ok. I see [02:03] <ivoks> bonvenon: dmesg will tell you [02:03] <Selekta> amsn runs on ubuntu. it's a known fact [02:03] <SolidRaven> didn't they release the source of the unrar files? [02:03] <ivoks> bonvenon: if it says something like: usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 [02:03] <ivoks> bonvenon: then it's connected via usba (ubci_hcd) [02:03] <Ng> Selekta: either there is some kind of conflict, a missing package, you need to refresh your package lists or something like that, if you could try it from a terminal with apt-get you'll get a more descriptive error [02:03] <ivoks> bonvenon: if it's USB2, it should say ehci_hcd [02:03] <Luna-Tick> Hello everyone :). Does anyone else have problems with all the flash plugins [02:03] <Selekta> ok, thanks ng :) [02:04] <Luna-Tick> None of them seem perfect - no sound and sometimes missing the right hand side etc. [02:04] <bonvenon> ivoks: hmmm... I don't think we have the same problem after all: "---new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd..." [02:04] <onkarshinde> ixiz: Did you try this instruction. You sure you didn't miss any package? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=show&redirect=mp3#head-d67b20adc8d30f9d239222912aeb42f2e456b36b [02:05] <cihad_> ji [02:05] <phreakysz> hi [02:05] <linukso> Hi! Has anyone got a pcmcia mmc card reader/writer working with ubuntu? I need one and wonder if anyone can recommend one... [02:05] <cihad_> selam [02:05] <snorks> Ng: do you know what the force flag is? [02:05] <snorks> Ng: for dpkg [02:06] <Ng> snorks: I think --force-architecture [02:06] <ivoks> bonvenon: ok then [02:06] <SolidRaven> linukso > give a bit more detailed info over t hat reader / writer [02:06] <snorks> Ng: ok ill try. thanks [02:06] <ixiz> onkarshinde: yes I did, and I did this one too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary?highlight=%28Sound%29 [02:06] <bonvenon> ivoks: but it's still very slow [02:06] <Ng> snorks: check you have ia32-libs package installed too [02:06] <SolidRaven> maybe i can find some drivers, have nothing beter to do [02:06] <snorks> Ng: correct [02:06] <ixiz> that's why I don't understand why it does not work [02:06] <snorks> Ng: I think I get errors on that one when trying to upgrade my system [02:06] <phreakysz> does anyone know how to get phpmyadmin running from the repos? [02:07] <phreakysz> do i need to manually alias apache? [02:07] <onkarshinde> ixiz: And are other formats working? If you are using xmms which output plugin is selected? [02:07] <snorks> Ng: Well I didn't get any "archive not supported" yet :) [02:07] <Luna-Tick> Thanks anyway, guys :). I'll be off [02:07] <Luna-Tick> Ciao [02:07] <SolidRaven> a little question, if i get a new motherboard and cpu, will need to change the ubuntu configuration? [02:07] <linukso> SolidRaven: I haven't found any yet, just asked if anyone got one to recommend. [02:07] <SolidRaven> i oh [02:08] <_SWAT_> I've had this problem a few times know. I think it happens when my PC is on for a week or so. Then suddenly, when I hold a "k"button down, it's only printed once (instead of lots of k's). Anyone any idea how to fix it? [02:08] <jtan325> hi does anyone here know a bit about debian packaging? [02:08] <bonvenon> phreakysz: I think you just need to apt-get install it. it will end up in /var/www/phpmyadmin [02:08] <Ng> snorks: hehe, good good [02:08] <ixiz> onkarshinde: I use esd in xmms [02:08] <bonvenon> phreakysz: at least I can't remember I did anything more [02:08] <ixiz> onkarshinde: Now I can play them in music player for some odd reason, but still not in xmms which is what I want [02:08] <snorks> Ng: it worked :) thanks a bunch mate [02:08] <phreakysz> yes, you're right [02:08] <Ng> jtan325: tried #ubuntu-devel? [02:08] <phreakysz> i see it nw [02:08] <Ng> snorks: no probs :) [02:09] <onkarshinde> ixiz: hmmm. Sorry then I have only this knowledge about it. Can't help you. [02:09] <jtan325> Ng, ok [02:09] <phreakysz> tnx [02:09] <kaptaink> #gnome [02:09] <ixiz> onkarshinde: it works if I choose the alsa driver [02:09] <ixiz> :S [02:09] <kaptaink> #gnome [02:09] <kaptaink> hello, is it possible to password protect selected folders in ubuntu without setting up multiple accounts? [02:09] <ixiz> but ubuntu wiki said that esd was the default one strange [02:10] <onkarshinde> ixiz: make sure that esd server has started. You can choose it to start at machine startup from Preferences. [02:11] <clem_yeats> kaptaink : why not using multiple accounts ? [02:11] <SolidRaven> clem_yeats > because that maybe gets messy ? [02:11] <kaptaink> yes [02:11] <clem_yeats> what ?? [02:11] <kaptaink> too many multiple accounts [02:11] <SolidRaven> eventough the user acount limit is one bilion if i remember right :p [02:12] <kaptaink> is there any other way? [02:12] <ixiz> onkarshinde: preferences and then what? [02:12] <SolidRaven> kaptaink > what filesystem? [02:12] <kaptaink> ubuntu [02:12] <Brazilian> hi [02:12] <kaptaink> gnome [02:12] <nerdy2> you could always encrypt them or such (gpg) [02:12] <clem_yeats> kaptaink : do you have more than one person per account ??? [02:12] <kaptaink> yes [02:12] <onkarshinde> ixiz: I think it should be Preferences-?Sound [02:12] <Brazilian> For those who know hollycow: have you seen here lately? [02:12] <clem_yeats> kaptaink : this IS messy. [02:12] <kaptaink> myself and a friend [02:13] <onkarshinde> ixiz: I mean Preferences->Sound [02:13] <nerdy2> kaptaink: why not give your friend his own account? [02:13] <kaptaink> is (gpg) a good way to go? [02:13] <ixiz> onkarshinde: 'enable sound server at startup' was marked [02:13] <SolidRaven> kind a [02:13] <snorks> ixiz: remove it like the pest [02:13] <SolidRaven> you need the key to decode it [02:13] <kaptaink> any better alternatives? [02:13] <clem_yeats> kaptaink : the permission and user management in unix is a tremendous thing, but you need to respect one_person=one_account [02:13] <ixiz> onkarshinde: but thx anyway it's not that important now that I can play music :) [02:13] <snorks> ixiz: alsaoutput > all [02:13] <Brazilian> For those who knows hollycow: have you seen him here lately? [02:14] <nerdy2> kaptaink: the good way to go would be to have two accounts, one for you and your friend, and then to give appropriate group permissions to whatever you wish to share [02:14] <clem_yeats> exactly [02:14] <fl> hi and good day :-) [02:14] <ixiz> snorks: what you mean? [02:14] <kaptaink> ok, i guess i could do that [02:14] <kaptaink> thanx again [02:15] <Brazilian> anybody know hollycow? [02:15] <nerdy2> kaptaink: this has many advantages over having the same account [in addition to not being able to see your porn, he also can't screw up your desktop, or your precious work files :)] [02:15] <snorks> ixiz: esound is slow [02:15] <snorks> ixiz: using alsa-output is in most cases always better [02:15] <phreakysz> i would like to run mod_rewrite on the server, but im not sure how to this on a debian distro [02:15] <ixiz> snorks: well then I should be fine :) [02:15] <kaptaink> thankyou nerdy2 [02:15] <snorks> oh [02:16] <clem_yeats> kaptaink : do you have root access ? [02:16] <SolidRaven> nerdy2 > porn > desktop files :P [02:16] <kaptaink> yes [02:16] <SolidRaven> i mean nerdy2: [02:16] <SolidRaven> :p [02:16] <DjKritical> stoopid question... whats the url for ubuntu? o_O [02:16] <fl> all: did you ever see boot issues with isolinux when using CD-RW as opposed to CD-R? [02:16] <SolidRaven> frikin autonickname script :p [02:16] <nerdy2> heh [02:16] <clem_yeats> kaptaink : then the best solution is to create an account for your friend and to change your own password. [02:16] <SolidRaven> pr0n > desktopfiles [02:17] <kaptaink> lol, ok so much help...i should be able to go on from here [02:17] <nerdy2> SolidRaven: we all have to have priorities :) [02:17] <SolidRaven> btw, you keep those on a flash drive :p [02:17] <SolidRaven> nerdy2 > like trying to get ndiswrapper to work once [02:17] <thoreauputic> !ubuntu [02:17] <ubotu> I heard ubuntu is an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian. http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards [02:18] <SolidRaven> but concluding that the drivers are realy bad [02:18] <nerdy2> SolidRaven: heh fortunately never messed with that [02:18] <kaptaink> ndiswrapper was so hard to set up [02:18] <kaptaink> i use a netgear 311v2 [02:18] <kaptaink> but once u learn its easy to setup again [02:19] <nerdy2> i have an ipw2200, which i am happy with [modulo the firmware blob] [02:19] <SolidRaven> Kaloz > here it crashes when i do modprobe ndiswrapper ;) [02:19] <SolidRaven> i mean kaptaink [02:19] <ekimus_> anyone knows where the $PATH is initially set on the live cd? [02:20] <nerdy2> ekimus_: not in /etc/profile? [02:20] <kaptaink> ah, sorry im just a noobie and wouldnt know how to help you SolidRaven [02:20] <kaptaink> i followed the ubuntu ndiswrapper guide [02:20] <clem_yeats> SolidRaven: does the ndiswrapper -l says everything's fine ? [02:21] <ekimus_> nerdy2: damn too easy. reamstering damages my brain :) [02:21] <SolidRaven> yes clem_yeats [02:21] <SolidRaven> it even says hardware is connected [02:21] <kaptaink> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Installation is very helpful [02:22] <SolidRaven> i did that ;) [02:22] <clem_yeats> SolidRaven : did you follow the ndiswrapper guide on their website ? finding your PCID and all.. ? [02:22] <SolidRaven> i got the right drivers [02:22] <clem_yeats> SolidRaven : was there only one set of drivers on the LIST page for your PCID ? [02:22] <kaptaink> ndiswrapper -l should show the status of ur installed driver [02:22] <SolidRaven> ndiswrapper says this: sis136u driver present, hardware present [02:22] <markrian> Does anyone know how to get Gossip to make use of a transport? [02:22] <SolidRaven> only modprobe fails [02:23] <clem_yeats> SolidRaven: find your PCID, and see if there are other drivers for it on the "LIST" page of ndiswrapper. [02:24] <phreakysz> hi [02:24] <phreakysz> i cant find apache in the processmanager, but its still running [02:24] <SolidRaven> clem_yeats > its a crappy topcom USB skyr@cer V2 54mbps [02:24] <persia> Mounting /boot fails for me about 80% of the time, with the message "/dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lib0: p1". I'm not finding anything useful on google. Anyone have any ideas? [02:24] <SolidRaven> and topcom doesn't want to give me the source code of their frikin drivers [02:24] <SolidRaven> the bitches [02:25] <clem_yeats> SolidRaven : try the PCID thing.. [02:25] <SolidRaven> were do i find out that pcid? [02:25] <pao> persia, are U sure that's the complete error message' [02:25] <pao> persia, ? [02:25] <clem_yeats> well you can read the ndiswrapper site for a start... [02:26] <kaptaink> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ubuntu this link should be more helpful [02:26] <kaptaink> it relates directly to ubuntu gnome [02:26] <pao> how do I cleanly start a custom service at startup? is there any rc.local script? [02:26] <persia> pao: That's the entry in dmesg and syslog. Nothing prints to console. In both cases, the time since boot preceeds the actual error. Note that within a single boot cycle it may work, as long as I wait enough. [02:27] <pao> persia, that's not an error message :-( [02:28] <persia> pao: Add a file to /etc/init.d/ using start-stop-daemon. Link this to /etc/rc?.d with a name like S99foo (for /etc/init.d/foo), and a sequence number indicating when you want it to start. [02:28] <persia> pao: Well then, /boot doesn't mount without an error message. Any ideas? [02:28] <pao> persia, thanks... I was looking for a shortcut to that solution ;-) [02:28] <SolidRaven> kaptaink > don't you need to do modprobe to get them to work :S [02:28] <pao> persia, ... you said it hangs while trying to mount? [02:29] <kaptaink> Solid Raven - yes [02:29] <pao> persia, could you show me your fstab? [02:30] <SolidRaven> then i might have a chance :) [02:30] <persia> pao: nothing hangs, just that message shows in dmesg, `ls /boot` returns nothing, /proc/mounts fails to show an entry, and new files get stored on the / partition. [02:30] <kaptaink> hope that helps [02:30] <persia> pao: see #flood [02:31] <SolidRaven> mhh, now i need to get dhcp working by wireless :| [02:32] <ntoll> damn... can't find it on the web site... whats the name of the dummy package to install thedevelopment tools such as gcc etc etc [02:32] <persia> ntoll: build-essential covers most of that [02:33] <ntoll> persia, aha... thats the one [02:33] <ntoll> ! [02:33] <ubotu> ntoll: Are you on ritalin? [02:33] <ntoll> thx [02:33] <pao> persia, ... relevant dmesg... [02:33] <ntoll> ritalin? [02:34] <ntoll> ubotu, I'm on a comfy chair infront of my new breezy install... :-P [02:34] <ubotu> ntoll: I don't know, could you explain it? [02:34] <thoreauputic> !tell ntoll about ubotu [02:34] <ntoll> heh [02:35] <pao> persia, the message is repeated... right? [02:35] <pao> seems to be an hw problem detecting your ide disk... [02:35] <b3r0xX> hey [02:35] <persia> pao: yes, it's repeated. Some of that is me, and some the boot process. [02:36] <pao> persia, when it does not mount try issueing mount -av [02:36] <pao> penguin_roar, what happens? [02:36] <persia> pao: Alas, if it's hardware, I'll have to investigate otherwise. Just for fun, I'm pasting a shortcut for /etc/init.d/foo to #flood. [02:36] <pao> persia, does there exist the ugly, old rc.local :-(? [02:39] <persia> pao: Thanks. I'll try that. [02:40] <ncp_> how is ubuntu with postfix? i have only used debian stable before, so dont know how good it works [02:42] <thoreauputic> ncp_: you know postfix is the default MTA in ubuntu, right ? [02:42] <TraceGreen> Can anybody help me with my bootsplash? [02:43] <TraceGreen> when i boot, just black screen, and after start x, i check /proc/splash, it show: [02:43] <TraceGreen> "plash screen v3.1.6-2004/03/31 (0xf0, 640x480): off" [02:43] <ncp_> thomerz, no, never used it before, im reading about ubuntu an it seems to like debian but alot faster with updates? [02:44] <ncp_> be like* [02:44] <thoreauputic> ncp_: very similar, but with a freeze/ new release every 6 months [02:45] <paines> hi [02:45] <Kokoro> Hi [02:45] <ncp_> thomerz, what are the main defferences between debian and ubuntu? [02:46] <paines> anyone know why "~" is only printed when pressing it the second time. german keyboard layout [02:46] <SolidRaven> kaptaink > going to try it out now [02:46] <thoreauputic> ncp_: mainly the release model - and more desktop focus [02:46] <GoClick> What's the difference between the server install and the regular install on 5.04? [02:46] <kaptaink> good did u visit the ndiswrapper ubuntu specific site? [02:47] <thoreauputic> GoClick: the server install just installs the base system - no X or gnome [02:47] <GoClick> Interesting [02:47] <ncp_> thomerz, du you have any experince with ubuntu as server? just wanne know if theres any reason to switch to ubuntu instead of debian [02:48] <sweatybob> anyone give me a hand with partition magic? [02:48] <thoreauputic> ncp_: I don't, no [02:48] <No1Viking> Hello. I have a mutimachine and wonder if it's possible to set up in Ubuntu. The machine is a Brother MFC890. [02:48] <fl> paines, you probably have the germen keyboar _with_ "dead keys" [02:48] <kaptaink> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ubuntu [02:48] <Erlenmayr> where do i find the mc in ubuntu apt? [02:48] <paines> fl, ah okay. will check it [02:48] <thoreauputic> !info mc [02:48] <GoClick> Does Ubuntu come with a hardware diagnostic tool of some kind? We bought some hardware for a desktop here and it poops out all the time while doing stuff, usually while installing actually tho it has made it (it's a test system rigth now so it's hard Linux installed like 5 times this week) [02:48] <ubotu> mc: (Midnight Commander - a powerful file manager), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 1:4.6.0-4.6.1-pre1-3ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1912 kB, Installed size: 5340 kB [02:48] <paines> fl, thanks [02:49] <thoreauputic> Erlenmayr: you need to enable the universe repository [02:49] <Erlenmayr> apt-get install mc says, there is no package available [02:49] <Erlenmayr> how do i do this in textmode only? [02:49] <ubuntu> #ubuntu channel [02:49] <ubuntu> hi [02:49] <ncp_> Erlenmayr, you need to edit your /etc/apt/sourcelist [02:49] <fl> paines, are you using Gnome? [02:49] <Rockett18> mc is sweet [02:49] <paines> fl, no gnome [02:49] <GoClick> textmode sounds so much more friendly than "command line interface". [02:50] <ubuntu> i would like to know how to run ubuntu in qemu [02:50] <paines> fl, ups. hahha. i mean kde [02:50] <ncp_> Erlenmayr, after you have done that, type "apt-get update" an "apt-get install mc" in a terminal [02:50] <No1Viking> The following NEW packages will be installed: [02:50] <No1Viking> mc [02:50] <No1Viking> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [02:50] <No1Viking> Need to get 1959kB of archives. [02:52] <Kokoro> Does anyone here use dosbox? [02:52] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: there's aqemu howto on the wiki [02:52] <Erlenmayr> thx [02:52] <Erlenmayr> ncp_, ok, thx, it works alright now [02:54] <ubuntu> thx on wiki [02:55] <ubuntu> btw [02:55] <ubuntu> whats wiki [02:55] <snorks> encyclopedia [02:56] <Kyynara_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ [02:56] <ntoll> okay... Realplayer.... I've found realplayer8 in apt repositories... but not Raelplayer 10 [02:56] <ntoll> wiki != encyclopedia. Wiki is user editable web site [02:56] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: a wiki is a website that anyone can edit, in simple terms [02:56] <GoClick> How big is the Ubuntu install and is there a way to make it smaller? [02:56] <ubuntu> excuse me [02:56] <fl> paines, hehe. *Very* funny. in KDE, this should be in the KDE control panel :-) try to add Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" to the Device section of your keyboard [02:57] <ntoll> Wikipedia (the most famous wiki) is an online wiki encyclopedia [02:57] <ubuntu> it says that the qemu page cant be found [02:57] <pancho_> Hello all [02:57] <pancho_> Greetings from Argentina [02:57] <kaptaink> for realplayer 10 visit ubunut guide [02:57] <ubuntu> any moderators? [02:57] <ubuntu> can u answer my question? [02:57] <ntoll> kaptaink, thnks... url? [02:57] <kaptaink> http://ubuntuguide.org/ [02:57] <ubuntu> 404 not found error on qemu wiki [02:57] <ntoll> kaptaink, thx [02:58] <thoreauputic> GoClick: about 1.8 Gig default: you can make it much smaller by starting with a "server" install, but you need to befamiliar with apt and package names etc [02:58] <ubuntu> can u guys tell me how to operate qemu? [02:58] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: use the search function onthe wiki [02:58] <kaptaink> go to install multimedia aplication, then realplayer [02:58] <ubuntu> it says 404 not found [02:58] <fl> anyone tried Crossover Office on Breezy yet? [02:59] <Kokoro> The install is pretty small to begin with though. you will definatly be looking for stuff to add to it [02:59] <GoClick> thoreauputic, well we'd also like x and gnome and synaptic and firefox but that's about it [02:59] <bimberi> ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ [02:59] <ubuntu> geez [02:59] <ubuntu> i am not stupid [02:59] <ubuntu> i know the site [02:59] <ubuntu> but it is down [02:59] <ubuntu> so can u tell me how to do it here?! [03:00] <GoClick> Well we'd like to be able to fit a drive images of the install onto a CD [03:00] <No1Viking> Hello. I have a mutimachine and wonder if it's possible to set up in Ubuntu. The machine is a Brother MFC890. [03:00] <Kyynara_> ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/QemuEmulator?highlight=%28qemu%29 [03:00] <Kyynara_> works for me [03:00] <ubuntu> o i c [03:00] <Ng> likewise [03:00] <ubuntu> thanks for the help [03:00] <ubuntu> it did not work [03:00] <pancho_> Sorry, anyone can point me how to support accented characters in console? [03:00] <ubuntu> for me [03:00] <bimberi> ubuntu: it works for me (and there was no inference of stupidity intended whatsoever) [03:00] <thoreauputic> GoClick: with gnome? tight fit I think [03:01] <pancho_> I've tryed with a simple export LANG=es, and export LC_ALL=es [03:01] <Kokoro> The image fits on 1 700 Mb cd [03:01] <pancho_> but it didn't worked [03:01] <GoClick> Hrm maybe we can use DVDs and get all of the Ubuntuie goodness on there [03:01] <pancho_> :( [03:02] <thoreauputic> Kokoro: he wants a *drive* image [03:02] <GoClick> So as to be able to DD back to the disk if things go farkwise [03:02] <thoreauputic> GoClick: understood [03:02] <GoClick> dd I'm a Caps nut :P [03:03] <Kokoro> The one thing that gives me fits right now is that Dosbox has all their faqs and help files for windoze. I need to find out how to set up dosbox.conf on Ubuntu [03:03] <void-> Hi, Is there a way to make gstreamer extend its output buffer? And maby force it to nut run in realtime mode. [03:03] <GoClick> Kokoro I can't say I've ever heard of windoze, is that an open source clone of Windows? [03:04] <Erlenmayr> how can i remove all packages, which are no longer needed by installed packages, with apt? [03:04] <thoreauputic> Kokoro: did you install dosbox from the ubuntu repos? Doesn't it have a man page or anything? [03:04] <Erlenmayr> the old dependies of packages which are no longer installed [03:05] <thoreauputic> Erlenmayr: install deborphan , debfoster [03:06] <clem_yeats> y'a deja #kubuntu [03:06] <wtf> what is the command to see how big is a directory? [03:06] <Kokoro> thoreauputic: I haven't found it. Files are stuck in strange places. [03:06] <clem_yeats> wtf: du I think [03:06] <clem_yeats> wtf: du -k [03:07] <wtf> that shows all the files [03:07] <thoreauputic> Kokoro: did you install from ubuntu repos? If so try dpkg -L dosbox to see the files [03:08] <clem_yeats> wtf : du -k . [03:08] <thoreauputic> wtf: du -sh in the directory ( cd to the directory first) [03:09] <mgcross> hey all...just ran chkrootkit and all came back fine except eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient3[5636] ) [03:09] <mgcross> is that just my dhcp client waiting for changes? [03:10] <mgcross> Seveas: any idea? [03:10] <GoClick> grrr bad hardware is the bain of my life :P [03:12] <thoreauputic> hmm actually du -sh directoryname works fine - no need to cd [03:13] <thoreauputic> wtf: :) [03:14] <twibbler> Wonder if anybody could help me with a printer setup in an application called vym which uses the qt printing.. [03:14] <mgcross> should I be worried? [03:14] <deprave> wazup! [03:14] <prower> Just a quick question...how secure should the servers (e.g. Apache2) in universe be considered? Are they suitable for use in a production environment? [03:14] <mgcross> anyone? [03:15] <thoreauputic> twibbler: qt printing? Printing uses CUPS surely? [03:15] <Seveas> prower, absolutely [03:15] <jtan325> what's a unix command to replace the first line in a file with another line as input [03:15] <jtan325> sed? [03:15] <jtan325> or is there something easier [03:15] <haakonn> can anyone tell me how ubuntu on amd64 is? a friend dropped it claiming there were few packages available. true? [03:15] <twibbler> thoreapuic: should do but network printer through cups qt wants to connect to it locally ... [03:15] <prower> Seveas: Ahh, okay...thanks for clearing that up [03:16] <thoreauputic> twibbler: you've lost me... [03:16] <GoClick> How do I enable universe packages? [03:16] <HrdwrBoB> !repositories [03:16] <ubotu> I heard repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [03:16] <GoClick> What a bot! [03:16] <GoClick> thanks HrdwrBoB [03:16] <HrdwrBoB> no worries :) [03:16] <deprave> he needs a tune up [03:16] <HrdwrBoB> we got sick of typing the same things over and over :) [03:16] <thoreauputic> !good bot [03:16] <GoClick> Although, why does it use https? [03:16] <ubotu> thanks thoreauputic :) [03:16] <HrdwrBoB> GoClick: you can use https if you like [03:16] <twibbler> qt thinks my printer is via usb .... cups has it set via jet direct .. [03:17] <HrdwrBoB> twibbler: qt fails it [03:17] <GoClick> No it auto goes to the https:// for me [03:17] <GoClick> I clicked the link and I get directed to https://wiki.ubuntu.com//AddingRepositoriesHowto [03:18] <twibbler> HrdwrBoB: meaning ? ..... [03:18] <GoClick> It's so the spys can't tell what I'm learning about! [03:18] <HrdwrBoB> twibbler: what program are you trying to print in [03:18] <thoreauputic> GoClick: someone who was logged in probably copy-pasted the URL like that :) [03:18] <twibbler> vym (view your mind). [03:18] <lillylegsandtoes> !java [03:18] <ubotu> methinks java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [03:19] <titanium> fragmentation is more or less a nonissue in ext3 right? [03:19] <prower> thoreauputic: I don't think so, I always get redirected to https when I go there too...just the way it's configured I guess [03:19] <thoreauputic> titaniululz: right [03:20] <titanium> that's nice :) [03:20] <Tadej> Hi can someone help me [03:20] <Tadej> I cant use cdrecord [03:20] <titanium> Tadej: just ask [03:20] <Tadej> on 2.6 kernel [03:20] <HrdwrBoB> Tadej: yes you can [03:20] <Tadej> cant find writer [03:20] <thoreauputic> blech why do people have such similar nicks ? [03:21] <twibbler> HrdwBoB: have a vymrc file in the .qt directory which has printer name ... but thinks it local .... [03:21] <mgcross> can anyone tell me if eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient3[5636] ) when shown by chkrootkit shows me a problem? [03:21] <HrdwrBoB> twibbler: I have nfi [03:21] <Tadej> HrdwrBoB: how? [03:21] <mgcross> or is this normal when using dchp [03:21] <twibbler> ok than you .... [03:21] <mgcross> ? [03:21] <Tadej> when I do cdrecord -scanbus [03:21] <titanium> thoreauputic: titaniululz is me anyways ;) (titanium=winxp, titaniululz=ubuntu) [03:21] <HrdwrBoB> Tadej: what are you trying to write [03:21] <Tadej> cd [03:21] <prower> mgcross: That's normal from what I've been told [03:22] <HrdwrBoB> ... yes a CD, but what are you trying to write to it [03:22] <thoreauputic> titanium: huh - OK then ;) [03:22] <mgcross> prowler: thanks much [03:22] <Tadej> cdrecord cant find my writer [03:22] <Tadej> I cant write anything [03:22] <HrdwrBoB> Tadej: that's not the question I asked [03:22] <titanium> copying 2gb from this machine to my ubuntu over samba is taking forever :( [03:22] <Tadej> iso [03:22] <kaptaink> how can i create an alias for terminal? [03:22] <Tadej> debian [03:22] <HrdwrBoB> Tadej: right click on the iso [03:22] <Tadej> yes [03:22] <HrdwrBoB> click write to disc [03:22] <EasterSunshine> titanium: what is the trasnfer speed? [03:22] <Tadej> hmm [03:22] <HrdwrBoB> Tadej: you're using debian [03:22] <Tadej> w8 [03:22] <prower> mgcross: No problem :> The dhcp server probably just listens on eth0 in promiscuous mode or something like that [03:22] <HrdwrBoB> ? [03:22] <can-o-worms> thoreauputic: kemik .. i am sure you guys have been thinking about nothing but my samba problem.. so to put your minds at ease... it was a problem with version 3.0.14a [03:22] <Tadej> HrdwrBoB: ubuntu [03:22] <HrdwrBoB> ok cool [03:23] <titanium> EasterSunshine: oh christ had wondershaper on... it was 1mB/s, now it's 8mB/s :O [03:23] <thoreauputic> kaptaink: alias foo='foobar' in .bashrc [03:23] <EasterSunshine> titanium: i usually get 4-5 mb/sec...how did you get 8?! [03:23] <thoreauputic> can-o-worms: oh, I can sleep now ;-) [03:23] <mgcross> prowler: that's what I thought, but i came to linux in part for the security...don't like not being sure [03:24] <titanium> EasterSunshine: good network card i guess? :) i don't know. i get the same transfer speed to my xbox, but not from it [03:24] <kaptaink> thanx thoreauputic [03:24] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: depends on cpu/bus/network hardware/cables/etc [03:24] <thoreauputic> np :) [03:24] <mgcross> anyone: whats the best supported printer for Ubuntu right now? [03:24] <funkyHat> what's the command that tells you what group you're in? [03:25] <HrdwrBoB> mgcross: see linuxprinting.org [03:25] <funkyHat> user and group id [03:25] <haakonn> groups [03:25] <HrdwrBoB> mgcross: anything that does postscript [03:25] <funkyHat> id [03:25] <funkyHat> * [03:25] <funkyHat> thanks [03:26] <can-o-worms> HrdwrBoB: if you could afford a postscript printer you wouldn't be asking in here ;-) [03:26] <deprave> oh snap! [03:26] <deprave> => [03:26] <mgcross> HrdwrBoB: thanks...time to go read! No cheap-ass models to stear clear of? I'm in Korea atm and I don't want to haveta fight with a salesperson to return siomething... [03:26] <HrdwrBoB> can-o-worms: they are relatively cheap [03:26] <mgcross> hard to do in gestures and noises..lol [03:26] <HrdwrBoB> mgcross: lexmark now have drivers but the cheaper ones generally suck anyway [03:27] <mihai> how do i get just one package from the breezy repos without alterint apt.conf ? [03:27] <HrdwrBoB> mgcross: most HPs are good [03:27] <HrdwrBoB> mgcross: price one you like, then check it on linux-printing.org [03:27] <mgcross> HrdwrBoB: nothing has changed but the level of Linux support, then [03:27] <HrdwrBoB> mgcross: actually no most are supported now [03:27] <EasterSunshine> mgcross: tru dat, i've a hp lasterjet 1200 or something for like three years now, never ever gave me a problem [03:27] <HrdwrBoB> just generally don't buy a crap printer :) [03:28] <HrdwrBoB> I have a $180AU samsung ML1710 laser b/w [03:28] <can-o-worms> mgcross: if you are in korea then you'll probably find the model numbers are all different [03:28] <HrdwrBoB> doesn't do postscript, but has a linux driver [03:28] <can-o-worms> mgcross: so just buy a HP [03:28] <EasterSunshine> wow i'd definetely want a korean printer [03:28] <EasterSunshine> is all teh hardware in korean in korea? [03:28] <mgcross> can-o-worms: good advice, thanks [03:29] <mihai> how do i get just one package from the breezy repos without altering apt.conf ? [03:29] <can-o-worms> mgcross: i'm in japan and none of the models match anything on linuxprinting.org [03:29] <EasterSunshine> mihai: you can do in and downoad the package manually [03:29] <thoreauputic> EasterSunshine: yeah but the numerals are Arabic ;) [03:29] <SolidRaven> this time modprobe ndiswrapper returned an error [03:29] <bimberi> mihai: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ [03:29] <EasterSunshine> mihai: and then use dkpg, or put it in a local repo [03:29] <mgcross> btw all...if you want a cheep set of speakers that ROCK see if you can find the britz brandname back in the west..dead cheap and great sound [03:29] <can-o-worms> EasterSunshine: the koreans make great ram [03:30] <EasterSunshine> next time i go to seoul, i'm getting myself a whole lot of korean computer parts ^_^ [03:30] <SolidRaven> root@ubuntu:/home/bart # modprobe ndiswrapper [03:30] <SolidRaven> returned: [03:31] <mgcross> can-o-worms: good to here about the RAM...need to get myself another 512 stick...<grin> [03:31] <can-o-worms> EasterSunshine: i'm getting myself another pair boots [03:31] <mgcross> er hear [03:31] <mgcross> lol [03:31] <DjKritical> malin: I'm installing it now, what do you think? [03:31] <mgcross> malin: rocks, dosen't it? [03:31] <mihai> EasterSunshine: well what if that package has a lot of dependencies ? will dpkg -i get them ? [03:31] <can-o-worms> mgcross: i thought the whole world used samsung memory [03:31] <malin> aye, it does [03:32] <SolidRaven> FATAL: Error Installing ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko):operation not permitted [03:32] <malin> but i have to mount my other hard drive first and take a loog at it [03:32] <mgcross> can-o-worms: smacks forhead..duuuuh! [03:32] <malin> DjKritical, install, don't hesitate :-) [03:33] <ekimus> is there a sun java for ppc + linux available? [03:33] <thoreauputic> ekimus: I think not [03:33] <malin> is there any hard drives mount-howto for ubuntu? [03:33] <brenner> mihai: just joined, but no... that's why you should use apt-get/synaptic [03:34] <thoreauputic> ekimus: there's an IBM one I think ( haven't tried it) [03:34] <h08817> i have a problem with my dual boot system [03:34] <SolidRaven> malin > the easy way is reinstalling it [03:34] <blaq> Hey all, I've got a Duron machine running ubuntu but its still using the 386 kernel. Should i go the 686 kernel or the K7 kernel? [03:34] <malin> reinstalling what? [03:34] <ekimus> thoreauputic: anything that one could use for java development on ppc? [03:34] <SolidRaven> ubuntu [03:34] <SolidRaven> but that is stupid [03:34] <malin> what?? [03:34] <SolidRaven> to get the harddrives detected [03:34] <thoreauputic> ekimus: I don't know, sorry [03:35] <ekimus> well i'm gonna ask my friend google :) [03:35] <SolidRaven> can anybody help me with ndiswrapper [03:35] <SolidRaven> keeps returning errors :'( [03:35] <SolidRaven> FATAL: Error Installing ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko):operation not permitted [03:35] <h08817> b4 when i had linux on my main hd which had 2 partitions one extfs and the other fat32 and windows as the slave i could read my main hd in windows [03:35] <SolidRaven> and now ubuntu doesn't even want to boot anymore [03:35] <DjKritical> Does anyone know a good php/html editor which allows you to edit files directory on an ftp server? [03:35] <SolidRaven> it stops at hotplug system [03:36] <h08817> but now that windows is main and linux is slave i can't read that second partition [03:36] <SolidRaven> :S [03:36] <h08817> could it have to do with the jumpers on my hds? [03:36] <h08817> could they be configured wrong? [03:36] <Onkel|Adolf> hmmm is there a channel there is about X64? [03:36] <brenner> h08817: can't read it in linux you mean? [03:37] <h08817> no [03:37] <neo78> ahoy! [03:37] <neo78> just installed ubuntu! [03:37] <thoreauputic> neo78: welcome to our world :) [03:37] <Onkel|Adolf> hmmm is there a channel there is about X64? [03:37] <EasterSunshine> sailors installing ubuntu? [03:37] <h08817> in windows i want to be able to see my fat32 partition on my other hd which also contains linux note: i have 2 partitions on that hd [03:37] <neo78> and for the first time had a hassle-free printer installation! (although i still have to figure out scanner, tv card etc) [03:37] <brenner> neo78: welcome :) [03:37] <neo78> thank you thoreauputic! brenner! [03:38] <neo78> i hope it really is for 'humans'! [03:38] <neo78> cos i have a loong way to go! [03:38] <thoreauputic> neo78: we wouldn't know - we're all bots here ;) [03:38] <neo78> i'm definitely a sub-level primate when it comes to linux [03:38] <mihai> well it seems the package in the breezy repo i want to get (valknut) depends on a lot of stuff that has older versions in hoary. i updated apt.conf to breezy, should i switch back to hoary after this package is complete ? will it break my package if i do so ? [03:39] <blaq> I've got an AMD Duron and was wondering which kernel would be best. Should i go the 686 kernel or the K7 kernel? [03:39] <synap> moin, anyone using the senao nl-2511 ext2 card within ubuntu ? [03:39] <neo78> synap, no, but i've used it with Mikrotik (a linux based RouterOS). Mikrotik simply picked it up and was happy [03:39] <SolidRaven> h08817 > just get the ext2 drivers for windows [03:40] <SolidRaven> they work in most cases [03:40] <neo78> i think it's the nl2511 in any case (PCMCIA card with external antenna connector) [03:40] <h08817> what is ext2? [03:40] <h08817> i don't wanna read my linux files in windows [03:40] <Kokoro> I must be missing something. I keep running into the same problems trying to write dosbox.conf. [03:40] <mdke> i want to upgrade my system via cron, but with the entry "apt-get -y upgrade", for some reason dpkg fails due to not being able to find certain commands in the path. Does anyone know how to sort this out? [03:40] <h08817> i want that blank fat32 to be readable in windows [03:40] <neo78> speaking of that... how do i read my windows harddrives in ubuntu (ntfs partitions) [03:41] <synap> ext2 as in 2 external tennas :) [03:41] <can-o-worms> mdke: use the full path? [03:41] <h08817> synap: which is? [03:41] <synap> which is ? the senao nl-2511 [03:41] <titaniululz> samba is awesome :) [03:41] <neo78> how do i mount my ntfs partitions so i can use them in ubuntu ? [03:42] <h08817> synap: what is the ext2 used for? [03:42] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows [03:42] <can-o-worms> h08817: ext2 is a filesystem... read the filesystem howto, there is more than ntfs and fat32 [03:42] <ubotu> [mountwindows] Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically [03:42] <mdke> can-o-worms, that doesn't help: it is not the apt-get command that it can't find, but some commands used in the installation of the packages by dpkg [03:42] <yccheok> hi guys, i folo the instruction in ubuntu unofficial FAQ, but still cannot get the nvu after adding the extra respitory [03:42] <thoreauputic> neo78: note that ntfs is read-only from linux [03:42] <h08817> also my windows won't read cd-rom drives for some reason [03:42] <yccheok> may i noe the exact respitory for nvu? [03:42] <can-o-worms> mdke: what commands? [03:42] <thoron> Hi! I would like know if there is some preliminary schedule on next release Ubuntu CD shipments start? [03:43] <Wallan> neo78: Check out the Starter Guide. It'l tell you everything you need to know/ [03:43] <h08817> linux does which is good i was just wondering why [03:43] <GoClick> How do I make another user with the same privlages as the user I made durring setup? [03:43] <thoron> I am thinking of ordering them for students. [03:43] <can-o-worms> GoClick: adduser [03:43] <Wallan> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ [03:43] <deFrysk> Wallan, do not use ubuntuguid as referene [03:43] <GoClick> Do they need to be in group 0? [03:43] <h08817> !ubuntuguide [03:43] <ubotu> [ubuntuguide] a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned [03:43] <thoreauputic> GoClick: just add the new user to the same groups [03:44] <Wallan> Sorry! [03:44] <mdke> can-o-worms, can't remember the exact commands I'm afraid [03:44] <thoreauputic> GoClick: erm group 0 is root, so no [03:44] <h08817> lol its ok i use it [03:44] <Wallan> Am fairly new to this... the guide's helped me a lot... [03:44] <can-o-worms> mdke: well, without knowing exactly what error you are getting it is very hard to tell you anything [03:44] <GoClick> I'm not sure how to check what groups the original user is in and I can't figure out how to put someone in multiple groups from the GUI manager [03:44] <deFrysk> Wallan, ubuntuguide is a cut and paste guide,...explains nothing [03:45] <h08817> tells u how to install things which is about it [03:45] <can-o-worms> GoClick: groups [03:45] <Kokoro> thoron: you do know there is edubuntu also? [03:45] <mdke> can-o-worms, the error is because cron is running the apt-get command without being in the full root environment I think: for that reason commands in /sbin and /usr/sbin are not in its path [03:45] <thoreauputic> GoClick: type " groups" as th first user [03:45] <thoron> Kokoro, I have seen the name, but I don't know it. [03:45] <can-o-worms> mdke: so add the command to root's crontab [03:45] <thoreauputic> GoClick: then note the groups and add the decond user to those [03:45] <yccheok> great, i get it. seems like the unofficial FAQ is outdated. deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [03:46] <Wallan> I see what you're saying. It worked for me (never used Linux before). Am currently working on understanding everything. [03:46] <thoreauputic> s/decond/second [03:46] <randy> Morning all. [03:46] <mdke> can-o-worms, I had added the command using "sudo crontab -e", is that not sufficient? it is mailing to root [03:46] <brenner> evening randy [03:46] <h08817> SolidRaven: well where can i get the ext2 drivers for windows [03:47] <deFrysk> Wallan, next time refer to the wikipages of ubuntu [03:47] <Kokoro> Thoron: It's Ubuntu for the classroom [03:47] <can-o-worms> mdke: what does sudo crontab -u root -l tell you? [03:47] <randy> Anyone have this "Installer cannot run in graphical mode" when trying to run the a .bin file from sun of netbeans and jdk combo in Breezy? [03:47] <thoreauputic> mdke: using a cron job with apt and -y is kind of risky, BTW - what if one of the answers should be -n ? [03:48] <mdke> can-o-worms, i see it if I do that command [03:48] <Wallan> Cheers deFrysk, I'll make better use of them. [03:48] <thoron> Kokoro, Ok, I tell that to the teacher. I was more like going to spread ubuntu for engineering students for home use at school. [03:48] <mdke> thoreauputic, i want it upgrading automatically :) [03:48] <vik> trying to apt-get install samba, but it tells me samba-common is an incompatible version (both ubuntu variants). Any ideas? Am happy to force things if necessary [03:48] <thoreauputic> mdke: I know what you *want* :) [03:48] <mdke> thoreauputic, i never say "n" to upgrades [03:48] <can-o-worms> mdke: hmmm... i dunno what to tell you, i think i really need to see the exact error [03:48] <brenner> randy: is it meant to run outside of X? [03:49] <mdke> can-o-worms, ok i will try back later with the exact error [03:49] <SolidRaven> h08817 > i found them on google, they are easy to find, if i remember righ its fsdrivers.com [03:49] <mihai> what are the codec packages named ? mpg/divx/aac ? [03:49] <h08817> SolidRaven: ok thanks [03:49] <brenner> mihai: w32codecs, found in hoary-extras [03:49] <h08817> SolidRaven: and that will allow me to see my other partition? [03:49] <Belutz> !codecs [03:49] <ubotu> methinks codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [03:50] <mdke> mihai, gstreamer also has support for those codecs if you use totem, install gstreamer0.8-plugins and gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg [03:50] <can-o-worms> mdke: the only time you would want to upgrade with a cron job is if you were only doing security updates [03:50] <randy> brenner: Nope. It's a graphical installer for Java and Netbeans. Java InstallShield. [03:50] <mdke> mihai, it's not full support tho afaik [03:50] <h08817> not saying i am going to but if i ever remove linux how can i do so and remove grub [03:50] <ElvenProgrammer> is there a way to make it so linux doesn't recognize my cdrom drive which is broken? [03:51] <mdke> can-o-worms, but I do want to upgrade with a cron job, do you mean that it is unwise? [03:51] <thoreauputic> ElvenProgrammer: unplug it? :) [03:51] <deFrysk> ElvenProgrammer, if your cdromplayer is broken, remove it [03:51] <randy> brenner: I have 2 machines. One I did a dist-upgrade for Hoary (No Problem here) the other I installed from Colony 3 CD and then a dist-upgrade (This one is the problem). [03:51] <can-o-worms> mdke: unless you are only doing security updates [03:51] <mdke> can-o-worms, how come? [03:51] <brenner> h08817: iirc, you can probably just delete the linux partitions and then restore your mbr [03:52] <ElvenProgrammer> it's a laptop, i don't know how to remove it... [03:52] <thoreauputic> mdke: config changes sometimes ask you questions [03:52] <h08817> well how do u restore mbr? [03:52] <mdke> can-o-worms, i'm not only doing security updates and I still want to upgrade automatically. am I a bad person? [03:52] <brenner> randy: not familiar with breezy problems really, sorry. [03:52] <neo78> what is my root password??? [03:52] <neo78> when i first install ubuntu? [03:52] <mdke> thoreauputic, true... [03:52] <can-o-worms> mdke: well, i just spent 2 days scratching my head over samba... it turned out the latest version was screwed [03:52] <thoreauputic> mdke: no one is saying you are a bad person :-) [03:52] <h08817> neo78 it is ur password [03:52] <brenner> !tell neo78 about root [03:53] <malin> where does ubuntu keep apt-get server list? [03:53] <thoreauputic> mdke: you are of course - but no-one is saying so *grin* [03:53] <titaniululz> /etc/apt/sources.list [03:53] <Deep6> malin, /etc/apt/sources.list [03:53] <malin> thx [03:53] <shawarma> malin: /var/lib/dpkg/lists/, I think. [03:53] <mdke> thoreauputic, ;) [03:53] <h08817> neo78: the root password is the same password you used when u logged in [03:53] <shawarma> malin: Oh! /etc/apt/sources.list I misunderstood. [03:53] <mdke> can-o-worms, well I can't find out if the latest version is screwed or not unless I install it I guess [03:53] <Deep6> anyone know how to invoke the dpkg --set-selections to work? [03:53] <malin> np shawarma :-) [03:54] <shawarma> Deep6: Yes. :-P [03:54] <neo78> h08817, doesn't seem to do the trick [03:54] <h08817> neo78: but be careful in root since ur new [03:54] <mdke> can-o-worms, it's a breezy install and I want to keep it up to date overnight, rather than using my bandwidth during the day, i guess I could just get it to download the sources, but i figure that I might as well upgrade too [03:54] <ElvenProgrammer> is it possible dev/hdc is my cdrom drive? [03:54] <h08817> neo78: u have to already be logged in [03:54] <shawarma> Deep6: It reads it's input from stdin.. echo 'somepackage hold' | dpkg --set-selections [03:54] <can-o-worms> mdke: but if it all happens when you are asleep you won't know what has been installed or when [03:54] <neo78> i'm logged in as user at the mo [03:54] <shawarma> ElvenProgrammer: Yes. [03:54] <mdke> can-o-worms, sure I will, cron sends me email [03:54] <h08817> ok [03:54] <Deep6> shawarma, I want to install my "set" programs [03:54] <neo78> i type su at termina [03:54] <neo78> l [03:54] <thoreauputic> ElvenProgrammer: very possible [03:54] <neo78> but authentication fails [03:55] <h08817> neo78: now what do u wanna do? [03:55] <h08817> sudo and what command? [03:55] <neo78> login as root [03:55] <shawarma> Deep6: Oh. That's not dpkg. That's aptitude or dselect.. [03:55] <ElvenProgrammer> shawarma: when i type grub-install it says /dev/hdc does not have any corresponding bios drive [03:55] <neo78> just su [03:55] <thoreauputic> neo78: use sudo <command> [03:55] <Deep6> shawarma, I did a dpkg --get-selections to a file before I reinstalled then I did the dpkg --set-selections < file [03:55] <Deep6> now I need to know how to start the install [03:55] <Deep6> of the set [03:55] <h08817> u need a command after it [03:55] <thoreauputic> !tell neo78 about root [03:55] <neo78> hey! maybe a title for a book... "just su stories" [03:55] <h08817> !root [03:55] <ubotu> root is probably disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo [03:56] <h08817> go there neo87 [03:56] <h08817> sry neo78 [03:56] <Deep6> shawarma, any ideas? [03:56] <shawarma> Deep6: Right. And then you need to make aptitude actually do the install. [03:56] <shawarma> Deep6: 2 sec. [03:56] <can-o-worms> mdke: i would guess that if you feel that way, then you are not running anything critcal, and a complete meltdown would probably not be the end of your world... but automatically updating anything other than security stuff is generally frowned upon in the debian world [03:56] <Deep6> I can't do it from a command line/ [03:56] <shawarma> Deep6: aptitude install [03:57] <shawarma> Deep6: Oh.. synaptic can probably do the same ting. [03:57] <h08817> what is aptitude install? apt-get? [03:57] <mdke> can-o-worms, well if you are running an unstable distribution with a lot of changes, it is difficult to check all the packages one by one [03:57] <shawarma> Deep6: No. aptitude is another interface. [03:57] <mdke> can-o-worms, anyhow, even if I only do security updates, the problem is still there [03:57] <maan84> Does anyone know why Mozilla Firefox "Time Out/Freezes/Stops" when I choose install missing plugins -> shockwave -> agree then when the download bar suppose to start it happens? [03:58] <SAMU> any idea what cheap tv cards are supported by linux? [03:58] <h08817> same here [03:58] <Ng> SAMU: anything Hauppauge, which is all the ones worth buying :) [03:58] <shawarma> Deep6: just fire up synaptic and click apply. I THINK that's the same thing. [03:58] <h08817> maan84: did the same to me u have to install them manually from the terminal [03:58] <maan84> h08817: Ok thank you, saves me some time =P [03:58] <Ng> SAMU: their older analogue cards are supported by bttv and the newer digital ones by a driver whos name I have just forgotten ;) [03:59] <SAMU> Ng, do they have like unofficial linux drivers then or something? because i was just looking at a cheap card over at hauppauge.co.uk and it says windows required [03:59] <Deep6> shawarma, I need to know how to do this from a command line #debian folks are saying just apt-get install with no args should work [03:59] <neo78> how do i use the GUI to mount harddrives? [03:59] <brenner> SAMU: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport [03:59] <ElvenProgrammer> so there is a way to remove the cdrom drive? [04:00] <neo78> i.e. WITHOUT using mount or editing fstab (for which i first of all need to figure out which dev is which) [04:00] <ekimus> can qemu somehow share the clip with the hostmachine? [04:00] <Ng> SAMU: they don't provide official drivers... which card was it? [04:00] <deFrysk> ElvenProgrammer, ask someone to unplug it is the best option [04:01] <GoClick> Is there an official Ubuntu package for PHP5? [04:01] <Ng> SAMU: I seriously recommend one of the DVB-T cards if you have a decent aerial and get freeview reception :) [04:01] <ElvenProgrammer> ok well thx anyway, it was a try... [04:01] <can-o-worms> SAMU: very few vendors supply linux drivers, and even if they do everyone disses them [04:01] <thoreauputic> neo78: type computer:/// in the file manager (ctrl-l for a loction field) [04:01] <shawarma> Deep6: dselect install or aptitude install [04:01] <Ng> can-o-worms: "everyone"? [04:01] <deFrysk> ElvenProgrammer, you can also comment the cdromline in fstab I guess [04:02] <Ng> can-o-worms: like all the official vendor supplied drivers in the kernel? ;) [04:02] <shawarma> shawarma: dpkg --set-selections just marks the packages for installation. aptitude or dselect actually makes it happen. [04:02] <SAMU> Ng, model name is HAU-751 [04:02] <shawarma> Deep6: dpkg --set-selections just marks the packages for installation. aptitude or dselect actually makes it happen. [04:02] <can-o-worms> Ng: like the nvidia drivers? [04:02] <thoreauputic> neo78: or click the Computer menu (I'm using a different window manager) [04:02] <Ng> can-o-worms: they are not in the kernel, they are distributed seperately [04:02] <SAMU> is it possible to use the tv capabilities of the voodoo 3 3500 tv somehow? [04:02] <Ng> can-o-worms: I mean things like e100 and aic7xxx, which are supplied by Intel and Adaptec respectively [04:02] <can-o-worms> Ng: or the philips webcam? [04:02] <mihai> how can i enable the repository that has w32codecs or whatever? [04:03] <Ng> can-o-worms: when did philips submit an official driver to kernel.org? [04:03] <Ng> never [04:03] <Ng> so no! [04:03] <neo78> thoreauputic, thanks, but it only shows devices already mounted [04:03] <can-o-worms> Ng: or the via raid stuff? [04:03] <Ng> can-o-worms: what via raid stuff? [04:03] <Belutz> !repos [04:03] <ubotu> I heard repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [04:03] <can-o-worms> Ng: exactly [04:03] <Ng> can-o-worms: you are misunderstanding what I am saying [04:03] <shawarma> Deep6: does "dselect install" do the trick? [04:03] <thoreauputic> neo78: erm - here it shows anything that's in fstab [04:03] <deFrysk> mihai, study the pages on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation [04:04] <Ng> can-o-worms: my point was that when vendors submit drivers to the kernel they are not dismissed by anyone [04:04] <deFrysk> most answers lay there [04:04] <Ng> you said vendor drivers are dismissed by everyone [04:04] <mihai> deFrysk, well i don't know what repo is that [04:04] <neo78> thoreauputic, same here... but i'm talking about mounting a drive that's currently unmounted [04:04] <thoreauputic> neo78: mounted or not - you click the relevant icon [04:04] <deFrysk> mihai, its all in the wiki ;) [04:04] <deFrysk> mihai, so read i ok ? [04:04] <neo78> thoreauputic, i can't see my SATA drives (ntfs drives) [04:04] <deFrysk> it* [04:04] <can-o-worms> Ng: so long as they are open source they aren't [04:04] <GoClick> When I go "sudo groups saleient" it tells me there is no user but there is [04:04] <thoreauputic> neo78: ah - ntfs [04:05] <thoreauputic> neo78: you need a line for ntfs stuff in fstab [04:05] <thoreauputic> or several [04:05] <princ_hotsauce> is there a way to play partypoker.com game on the ubuntu ? [04:05] <neo78> thoreauputic, that's what i thought... i think fedora had a gui way of doing it [04:05] <GoClick> princ_hotsauce wine might do it [04:05] <PeaceMakr> anyone not so new with ubuntu living in Joburg pls contact me [04:05] <neo78> btw, how big is ubuntu? [04:06] <ElvenProgrammer> deFrysk: does it need to reboot to apply? [04:06] <thoreauputic> neo78: yeah, this is something ubuntu got wrong IMO - it should happen automagically [04:06] <deFrysk> ElvenProgrammer, I do not think so [04:06] <PeaceMakr> neo78 i got ubuntu on 1 cd [04:06] <Ng> SAMU: yeah, that'll work fine [04:06] <SAMU> Ng, voodoo 3500 tv? [04:06] <thoreauputic> neo78: in the meantime you need to do some editing or use seveas' script [04:06] <Ng> SAMU: sorry, the WinTV Express [04:06] <thoreauputic> !tell neo78 about mountwindows [04:07] <SAMU> Ng, so the HAU-751? [04:07] <neo78> thoreauputic, thanks! [04:08] <thoreauputic> neo78: :) you're welcome [04:08] <Mac38DO> Hi! My keyboard does not work, when I boot from an actual Ubuntu-CD. [04:08] <SAMU> on a sidenote has anyone noticed the similarity between the logos of microsofts myspace blog thingy and ubuntu? [04:08] <tommi^> Hi. Why is my totem skipping(?) lot of frames so the video shows like it's stuttering. Sound is ok and everything works with mplayer but I want to get totem working. Any ideas? thanks [04:08] <GoClick> tommi^ I can't even get totem working! [04:08] <brenner> tommi^: this a DVD or local file? [04:08] <ElvenProgrammer> deFrysk: grub-install still give me the same output, thx anyway [04:08] <brenner> GoClick: what probs you having? [04:09] <tommi^> brenner, it's a local file. [04:09] <brenner> tommi^: in any case, install totem-xine [04:09] <Ng> SAMU: yeah, as far as I can tell the 751 is the WinTV Express [04:09] <deFrysk> tommi^, maybe you need totem-xine ? [04:09] <tommi^> brenner, right. I think I'm using the gstreamer versin. [04:09] <brenner> tommi^: the default gstreamer backend has caused probs with a lot of people [04:09] <PeaceMakr> can someone help me with my iburst setup? [04:09] <neo78> thoreauputic, do i simply copy the text there to a file (let's say mountScript) and go ./mountScript ? [04:09] <tommi^> brenner, oright. Thanks, I'll try and get back to you [04:10] <thoreauputic> neo78: see the instructions he gives in the comments [04:10] <Deep6> apt-get dselect-upgrade is how you do it guys [04:10] <tommi^> Such a pity that if it's causing the problems, gstreamer is a good thing [04:10] <deFrysk> ElvenProgrammer, grub is supposed to detect your cdrom [04:11] <thoreauputic> neo78: you need to use sudo bash etc - it's all there in the comments [04:11] <neo78> thoreauputic, dang... sorry, i see it now! [04:11] <thoreauputic> neo78: no worries :) [04:11] <tommi^> And we have a winner! It works! [04:12] <SAMU> Ng, w00t. i should get one of those then. [04:12] <Mac38DO> Hi! My USB-keyboard does not work, when I boot from an actual Ubuntu-CD. Any ideas? Any kernel parameter, which might help? [04:12] <thoreauputic> neo78: right click, save as should do it (save to your home dir is easiest, rather than Desktop) [04:12] <brenner> tommi^: glad to hear ... if it's any consolation, iirc the gstreamer issues will be fixed in breezy [04:12] <delire> a bunch of x86 ubuntu cd's arrived today but all of them fail at the same location in the install process, debootstrapping. anyone else have this experience? i have only tried on one machine albeit. [04:13] <thoreauputic> delire: do you have another machine to test on? [04:13] <thoreauputic> delire: seems highly unlikely that they are all duds... [04:14] <delire> thoreauputic: hmm not really, i don't want to reinstall ubuntu anywhere other than on this machine. i'll find a box somewhere, somehow and report again. [04:14] <adriyel> hi delire [04:14] <delire> thoreauputic: ../ agreed ;) [04:14] <adriyel> remember me? the guy who was having problems with firefox [04:14] <delire> adriyel: hi there. [04:14] <delire> adriyel: yep, sure do. [04:14] <adriyel> did I tell you what the problem was, and how I fixed it? [04:14] <tommi^> brenner, that's good to know. mplayer seemed to have some problems syncing video and sound, especially if I rewinded the video but I can't say for sure if it was player's or the videos fault. The video just seemed to get a second or two behind the sound. But anyway, thanks for all ubuntu developers and to you, branner. [04:14] <delire> adriyel: no, how did you fix it? [04:15] <adriyel> delire: we found out libflash-mozplugin.so wasn't 64 bit clean, with a gdb backtrace...friggin unstable [04:15] <brenner> tommi^: np [04:15] <delire> adriyel: ahah interesting.. [04:15] <kumaran> hi..any clue on how to retain the vnc client session which is crashed and logged out unexpectedly [04:15] <adriyel> delire: the reason the crashing seemed "pseudo-random" and not triggered by websites, is because I was getting flashvertisements "pseudo-randomly" [04:15] <adriyel> delire: I mv'ed it out of there into /backup [04:15] <adriyel> so, no probs [04:16] <neo78> brb, reboot... [04:16] <kumaran> hi all [04:16] <delire> adriyel: very weird.. though i thought you said the random segfaults were during periods of no activity, even without a loaded site. [04:16] <adriyel> *nods* it seemed random, but they weren't seg faults, it was crashing on a new thread [04:17] <adriyel> the new thread was for the flash [04:17] <adriyel> and the random ads [04:17] <delire> adriyel: hmm nasty [04:17] <kumaran> can any one tell me how to retain a vnc client session which was kicked out [04:17] <adriyel> indeed, delire, thats gotta be the weirdest, hardest to dredge up bug I've ever had on Linux [04:17] <godzirra> delire: still no luck getting it working. [04:17] <sproingie> i never heard of a 64bit version of flash [04:17] <adriyel> not necessarily a negative thing towards Ubuntu, just fact [04:17] <adriyel> sprongie, it comes built into Ubuntu 64 [04:17] <godzirra> delire: wine I mean... winetools wants wine, not libwine, and in ubuntu, wine has been replaced with libwine apparently. [04:18] <adriyel> Athon64 3500 here [04:18] <Brad_c> hey [04:18] <sproingie> adriyel: must be breezy then, i certainly dont have it [04:18] <Brad_c> can someone tell me where i go to set up multiple monitors? [04:18] <adriyel> nope Hoary [04:18] <adriyel> 5.04 [04:18] <Brad_c> i have two pluged in [04:18] <Brad_c> but with the same thing on each [04:18] <adriyel> ~/.mozilla/firefox/libflash-mozplugin.so [04:18] <adriyel> go look [04:18] <delire> godzirra: getting what working? [04:19] <delire> godzirra: sorry, it's been a while. [04:19] <sproingie> is that actually macrodobe's version, or some third party thing? [04:19] <Ng> sproingie: it's a third party GPL version [04:19] <Brad_c> can anyone please tell me? [04:19] <delire> godzirra: ahah wine. weren't your repositories a problem? [04:19] <sproingie> Ng: ah. my experience with those is that they're not worth using [04:20] <Brad_c> does anyone know how to set up multiple monitors? [04:20] <sproingie> heck the only thing that makes flash worthwhile is the complex stuff that isn't bling [04:20] <Ng> sproingie: easiest solution ime is to run firefox from a 32bit chroot ;) [04:20] <neo78> back... [04:20] <Ng> Brad_c: what kind of graphics card? [04:20] <sproingie> Ng: yep, it's what I do [04:20] <Crube> I've got a problem. I ran out of space in my hd, but it cant be possible, becouse I have about 50% of the drive really used. The trash is empty. I wonder what's taking almost half of my space in my hd O_o [04:20] <Brad_c> its an ati 128 [04:20] <godzirra> delire: I'm not sure... after uncommenting those though, I can get libwine, but not winetools. [04:20] <Brad_c> they are both displaying the same desktop [04:21] <neo78> thoreauputic, thanks a lot! that worked brilliantly ! (though my system bitched a bit while starting up) [04:21] <delire> godzirra: hehe how annoying [04:21] <brenner> Crube: how are you checking space? [04:21] <ubuntu> what do you guy think of mac seitching to intels [04:21] <Ng> Brad_c: I'm not sure then, sorry. only done it with nvidia cards, which works differently [04:22] <delire> godzirra: you could try the _risky_ 'apt-get -f install' and ensure that nothing important is removed before accepting. [04:22] <Brad_c> Ng is there somewhere to configure it? [04:22] <delire> godzirra: then attempt to install winetools again. [04:22] <Crube> brenner: with gtkdiskfree, and I'm not able to intall one program becouse it says I'm lacking space [04:22] <Ng> Brad_c: it'll involve editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf and putting dual monitor configuration entries in, try googling for linux xinerama ati [04:23] <ndlovu> quick question: where does wget download files to? your current directory? [04:23] <neo78> is Totem mediaplayer any good? if no, what should i get, if yes, how do i get codecs to play my movies (mostly avis) [04:23] <Ng> ndlovu: yes [04:23] <Brad_c> alright thanks Ng [04:23] <Ng> neo78: totem is ok, some people prefer totem-xine. generally you want everything listed on the RestrictedFormats wiki page :) [04:23] <ndlovu> Ng: thanks. [04:23] <neo78> "Totem Movie Player" [04:24] <brenner> Crube: maybe try: 'du -h | less' and see where the usage is [04:24] <Ng> du has a --max-depth option which is quite nice for overview summaries of disk usage [04:24] <adriyel> Ng: I had FUN getting mp3's to work. XMMS and BMP still crash though [04:24] <brenner> Ng: totem-xine just changes the backend from totem's default gstreamer .. still essentially the same app :) [04:25] <adriyel> delire: brb, gonna try E17 [04:25] <delire> adriyel: good luck, an interesting project. [04:25] <Ng> brenner: I know what it does and I'd disagree as to the similarity, totem is really just a tiny layer on top of either gstreamer or xine [04:25] <adriyel> *nods* @ delire [04:25] <Crube> brenner: that list is so long it's impossible to find anything :P [04:25] <rizla> hello [04:25] <delire> Crube: use the --max-depth option as Ng suggests [04:25] <brenner> Ng: oh ok, maybe i'm mistaken ... i thought gstreamer/xine were the video engines [04:26] <Ng> brenner: they are, but that's about 99% of what a media player is ;) [04:26] <neo78> dang... now i'm confused? [04:26] <godzirra> delire: ok, I'll try that. [04:27] <brenner> Ng: then what *is* the difference b/n totem and totem-xine? :) [04:27] <delire> Crube: du -h --max-depth 1 [04:27] <adriyel> delire: ok, Enlightenment wasn't listed in "Session" how do I change my window manager? [04:28] <delire> adriyel: i'd look at creating an ~/.xinitrc and adding 'exec enlightenment' (if that's the name) in there. [04:28] <Belutz> adriyel: killall metacity & enligtenment & [04:28] <neo78> basically, all i wanna know... is how do i play movies in Totem (since it complains about not having a codec. most of my stuff is DivX) [04:28] <Ng> brenner: they both have the same visual interface, which is a thin layer on top of the complex multimedia libraries that actually do all the decoding/playing and you can choose to have xine or gstreamer backend libraries. My original point was that even though they both look the same, they are fundementally different inside. [04:28] <delire> adriyel: but yeah, just kill them for now to try it out. [04:28] <Ng> neo78: install the things listed on the RestrictedFormats wiki page [04:28] <Ng> I did say that :) [04:28] <neo78> Ng, do you have a URL ? [04:28] <Ng> wiki.ubuntu.com [04:29] <rizla> how can i manage my connection by text-line? [04:29] <neo78> no you didn't... you said "generally you want everything listed on the RestrictedFormats wiki page :)" [04:29] <brenner> Ng: ok, you've enlightened me :) [04:29] <neo78> ;) [04:29] <adriyel> hmm [04:29] <Ng> neo78: which is the same thing [04:29] <adriyel> that was dirty [04:29] <neo78> Ng, syntactically, they're definitely not... semantically, they mean two different things to me, but the same thing to you... [04:29] <adriyel> delire: I've got gnome and enlightenment running at the same time [04:29] <godzirra> delire: even using apt-get -f install winetools, it says "No... piss off" [04:30] <Ng> neo78: less backchat, more installing :) [04:30] <godzirra> unmet dependencies [04:30] <neo78> Ng, ditto! [04:30] <neo78> ;) [04:30] <Ng> neo78: my system already plays everything :o [04:30] <Ng> -o+p [04:30] <delire> adriyel: hehe yuk. [04:30] <neo78> you don't take backchat from the public? [04:30] <adriyel> ok, fsck this, xinitrc [04:31] <battletux> can someone help getting the external vga connector on my laptop to work? [04:31] <srijith> battletux, tried the obvious restart of X solution? [04:31] <neo78> battletux, yeah. step1: plug it in [04:32] <delire> godzirra: well i'd have to have a solid look at your sources.list and also the error output. i'm about to leave work so sadly you'll need to look elsewhere for help. many people in here use wine, there will be a simple reason as to why you have these odd dependency problems. compare sources.lists with that of the default hoary repo list. [04:32] <battletux> it's plugged in, and restarted. i now have no display on monitor [04:32] <tommi^> Another totem question: Why, in full screen mode, the controls won't clear out after a while? The clock does stop without activity and continues when mouse is moved but doesn't fade to black. [04:32] <Ng> tommi^: I think that's a bug :/ [04:32] <battletux> have installed nvidia drivers as ubuntuguide [04:32] <phreakys> hi [04:32] <neo78> no legal way to play DVDs on linux ??? [04:32] <neo78> whaaaa!! [04:33] <phreakys> sure there is [04:33] <tommi^> Ng, probably yes. [04:33] <Ng> neo78: please direct your anger to the DVD-CCA @ [04:33] <adriyel> now my windows are all fscked up delire [04:33] <Ng> neo78: they won't give out free licenses :( [04:33] <godzirra> delire: where can I find the default hoary list? [04:33] <godzirra> delire: and no problem at about you leaving.. I appreciate all your help already :) [04:33] <adriyel> I needz Slack :( delire. [04:33] <delire> adriyel: you'll need to ensure gnome-session doesn't run at all. [04:34] <neo78> Ng, sheesh, that page is complicated [04:34] <delire> adriyel: sorry, metacity. [04:34] <delire> godzirra: anytime. good luck. you'll get there soon. [04:34] <Ng> neo78: yeah, it covers quite a range of stuff, but it's worth ploughing through :) [04:34] <godzirra> Anyone know where I can go find the default hoary sources list? [04:34] <godzirra> actually.. I did apt-get dist-upgrade [04:34] <godzirra> I shouldnt be using hoary anymore should I? [04:35] <Ng> hoary is the current stable release [04:35] <Ng> you should be using it unless you know better :) [04:36] <neo78> Ng, cool. How do i install the stuff though? looks like i'm gonna want gstreamer0.8-mad, gstreamer0.8--ffmpeg, possibly gstreamer0.8-plugins, w32codecs etc (though i'm still confused about the totem-xine vs. totem-gstreamer thing) [04:37] <Ng> neo78: you need to add universe and multiverse repositories and use apt-get or synaptic to install those packages. the page should say. w32codecs I prefer to grab by hand from the marillat repository and personally I prefer totem-gstreamer, but if that gives you problems feel free to switch to totem-xine [04:37] <godzirra> Ng: ok.. I'm just trying to get wine and winetools installed but I can't yet.. any idea where I can find a default hoary souces.list for apt? [04:37] <Hamman> www.ubuntuguide.org [04:37] <osfameron> I think winetools is borken in hoary [04:37] <neo78> which totem do i have (hoary hedgehog default install)? [04:37] <Ng> godzirra: offhand no, but mine is http://www.pointlessrubbish.net/sources.list and has main, restricted, universe, multiverse and backports [04:38] <Ng> neo78: totem-gstreamer [04:38] <neo78> cool [04:39] <srijith> how do I get back the nice round hourflass replacement of ubuntu? Some change in theme changed it and I can't seem to get it back [04:39] <Crube> What's the "proc" folder in /? [04:39] <srijith> s/flass/glass [04:39] <malin> can ubuntu handle ntfs filesystem? [04:39] <Ng> Crube: it's a fake filesystem provided by the kernel so programs can find information and/or control the kernel [04:39] <srijith> malin, read yes [04:39] <Ng> Crube: e.g. run "cat /proc/cpuinfo" in a terminal, what actually happened was the kernel prepared that information and pretended to cat that it's a file [04:39] <malin> srijith, i did cat /proc/filesystems and it wasn't there [04:40] <Crube> Ng: i just wondered why it's 1gb bit and it doesn't seem to have anything in it :D [04:40] <Ng> Crube: that sounds deeply wrong :) [04:40] <srijith> malin, why not try and mount it? mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/nfts assuming /mnt/ntfs has been created [04:40] <Crube> Ng: thought so ^ [04:40] <Ng> Crube: does /proc show up in the output of "mount" in a terminal? [04:40] <godzirra> Ng: k, I'm checking it out.. .do you have wine and winetools installed out of curiousity? And if not can you apt-get just to see if ti gives you dependency issues? [04:41] <srijith> malin, I have it mine, under nodev and I can mount ntfs for read [04:41] <Ng> godzirra: I use Crossover and Cedega, so I have enough wine installed already ;) [04:41] <godzirra> whats crossover? [04:41] <Crube> Ng: ok after refreshing it it shows empty and doesn't have anything in it. [04:41] <Ng> godzirra: www.codeweavers.com [04:41] <srijith> thoreauputic, any idea how to get back the nice round hour glass replacement of ubuntu? Some change in theme changed it and I can't seem to get it back [04:41] <malin> srijith, can it be mounted for read and write? [04:41] <godzirra> and cedega isnt free is it? [04:41] <Ng> godzirra: neither is crossover ;( [04:42] <godzirra> ahh bummer [04:42] <Ng> Crube: you might want to run "sudo mount /proc" in a terminal [04:42] <srijith> I dont think write on ntfs works fine.. don't try it if you mind losing any data :) [04:42] <godzirra> I just want it for running stuff like yahoo messenger, palm desktop/apps, etc. [04:42] <Ng> godzirra: wine seems to be installable though [04:42] <thoreauputic> srijith: nice round hour glass ? No clue what you are talking about... [04:42] <godzirra> nothing big enough that I want to pay money for it :) [04:42] <Ng> godzirra: I don't see a winetools package though [04:42] <brenner> isn't cedega cvs free? [04:42] <godzirra> Ng: dangit. [04:42] <Ng> brenner: true [04:42] <sproingie> that round hourglass cursor is the one built into xorg i think [04:42] <Ng> brenner: no .deb and no copyprotection though :/ [04:42] <Crube> But cedega cvs doesn't support dx9 [04:42] <srijith> thoreauputic, the default installof Ubuntu gives a mouse arrow like a round spinning thingie.. doesn't it? [04:43] <srijith> mouse pointer or whatever it is called [04:43] <thoreauputic> srijith: ah, I see - and you lost it in fluxbox? [04:43] <brenner> Ng: copyprotection? (sorry, still keep windows solely for gaming) [04:43] <neo78> Ng, what's the deal with Ogg Vorbis ? [04:43] <srijith> nope.. before that when i was trying to change themes in Gnome. [04:43] <neo78> can it play mp3, avi etc? [04:43] <srijith> thoreauputic, trying to change bacl the theme does not bring ot back :( [04:43] <malin> hm [04:44] <thoreauputic> srijith: hmm - try installing gcursor and selecting it [04:44] <malin> i don't have access to that disc [04:44] <Ng> brenner: yeah, things like SafeDisc, stuff that prevents you straight copying a disc [04:44] <srijith> malin, which disk? [04:44] <malin> when i try to enter the directory i get access denied [04:44] <srijith> thoreauputic, ok.. will try [04:44] <Crube> I've started to use linux for gaming. Cedega does cost, and I think that's wrong. Afterall playing games using it is still not easy [04:44] <srijith> malin, which dir? [04:44] <Ng> neo78: it should work out of the box [04:44] <malin> hda1, my ntfs hdd [04:44] <malin> /mnt/ntfs [04:44] <srijith> you need to be root.. [04:44] <Ng> neo78: oh, ogg vorbis is just another encoding format, like mp3 [04:44] <thoreauputic> srijith: you select the cursor theme, logout/login [04:45] <malin> it has 755 rights [04:45] <srijith> else you will need to tweak the perrmissions [04:45] <Ng> Crube: I use cedega because I'd rather pay than reboot and buy a windows license ;) [04:45] <malin> wait [04:45] <srijith> thoreauputic, selection using gcursor? [04:45] <Crube> malin try mounting it by typing "sudo mount -t ntfs -o user,rw,exec,umask=000 /dev/hda1 /mnt/" [04:45] <malin> no [04:45] <thoreauputic> srijith: yup [04:45] <malin> i got no rights to view it [04:45] <Crube> malin: try "udo mount -t ntfs -o user,rw,exec,umask=000 /dev/hda1 /mnt/" It will make the mount accessible for every user. [04:46] <srijith> malin, just to make sure it did mount, why not try and become root and then try to cd? [04:46] <Crube> So you can access your windows partition as user. [04:46] <thoreauputic> srijith: select the "human" theme [04:46] <srijith> thoreauputic, ok.. gonna try it now [04:46] <malin> funnt thing is, when i do su and enter my pass, it won't give me access [04:46] <recover> Can anyone recommend a good ftp program which supports SSH connection, I have tried gftp but for some reason it skip all the files (you can't imagine how irritating it is) [04:46] <malin> funny* [04:47] <thoreauputic> !tell malin about root [04:47] <srijith> malin, try sudo -s -H [04:47] <malin> thanks thoreauputic [04:47] <Crube> malin: you need to set your root password if you havent done it yet. If you're the only one using the comp set the root password to be the same as your password so you can use the same password everyhere [04:47] <srijith> and then once you are root, cd [04:48] <thoreauputic> Crube: totally unnecessary - sudo -i does the same as su (gives you a root shell) [04:48] <Crube> malin: and if you want to browse files a root you can use "alt+f2" and start your file browser as root, so you can browse files accessible only for root [04:49] <malin> thx 4 the tip :-) [04:49] <apokryphos> Crube: you shouldn't advise people to make a root account [04:49] <malin> i'm trying to do all at one moment :-) [04:49] <Crube> apokryphos: i didn't O_o [04:49] <thoreauputic> malin: don't do what Crube said - you don't need to [04:50] <apokryphos> Crube: "you need to set your root password if you haven't done it yet" -- yes, you are. [04:50] <srijith> thoreauputic, great.. worked :) [04:50] <Crube> thoreauputic: yes but I had problems using root password in console [04:50] <thoreauputic> srijith: :D [04:50] <apokryphos> Crube: eh? What problems? [04:50] <thoreauputic> Crube: you don't need a root password - sudo -i is enough [04:51] <Crube> apokryphos: I wasn't able to use sudo or use root as konsole, becouse after installing ubuntu there was no root password set [04:51] <srijith> note, *sudo* -i, not su -i [04:51] <apokryphos> Crube: you're not meant to use su [04:51] <jono> is it possible to upgrade from woody to hoary? [04:51] <apokryphos> Crube: you're meant to use sudo, which requires *your* password [04:51] <Crube> apokryphos: yes but I wasn't able to use sudo eighter. [04:51] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Crube about root [04:51] <malin> ok, got it [04:51] <apokryphos> Crube: with the user you originally used? Plainly not true. [04:51] <thoreauputic> jono: possible, yes [04:52] <apokryphos> Crube: if that was the case then you *would not have been able to set the root pass* [04:52] <Ng> hey jono :) [04:52] <thoreauputic> jono: recommended, no ;) [04:52] <malin> The disc is mounted properly, i can see all the data. I just have to mount it properly, just like Crube said [04:52] <jono> hi Ng [04:52] <jono> thoreauputic, I figured so :P [04:52] <srijith> malin, great [04:53] <jono> is there a cleve way to identify which script started apache/mysql? [04:53] <Crube> apokryphos: I was able to do things as root in kde, but the terminal it never accepted my password so I wasn't able to use sudo. That's why I had to set the password with kuser to be the same as my user password. After tht it started working. [04:53] <thoreauputic> jono: cat /etc/init.d/apache2 ? [04:53] <thoreauputic> or whatever... [04:53] <mihai> grr, this is annoying, first i needed a package that was not in the hoary repository, i enabled breezy in apt.conf, now i tried to enable this multiverse repository, and something doesn't work, since there's no mplayer [04:53] <malin> how do i abandon root rights after doing sudo -s? [04:54] <crashd> exit [04:54] <jono> thoreauputic, it is part of xampp, so started from /opt/lampp/lampp [04:54] <thoreauputic> malin: ctrl-d ? [04:54] <mihai> so damn annoying why did you have to separate them, in breezy warty hoary blah [04:54] <thoreauputic> jono: ah [04:54] <apokryphos> Crube: Impossible. Listen, you cannot set the root pass without using sudo; ordinary users cannot alter the *root* account. Hence, sudo must have been working for you to set a root pass [04:54] <malin> thx [04:54] <mihai> who the f*** picks these names anyway ? [04:54] <apokryphos> mihai: Mark Shuttleworth [04:55] <apokryphos> he pays himself specifically to think them up ;-) [04:55] <Crube> apokryphos: at least not in terminal it wasn't. And I had loads of trouble with it [04:55] <neo78> lol [04:55] <mihai> gay [04:55] <apokryphos> Crube: you were evidently doing something wrong; you shouldn't presuppose that the contrary was occuring if you don't have a sufficient understanding of what's going on. :/ [04:55] <mihai> ok so tell me how do i get mplayer, i can't stand this any longer [04:55] <srijith> Crube, strange.. havent heard anyone who has had such a problem [04:55] <apokryphos> srijith: it's because there was no such problem, most likely :) [04:55] <brenner> !mplayer [04:55] <ubotu> methinks mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto. For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061 [04:56] <thoreauputic> Crube: you're in a minority of one on this subject, methinks :) [04:56] <mihai> i already read that wiki [04:56] <mihai> it tells me to ad.. [04:56] <ios> Inn [04:56] <mihai> so if i modified apt.conf with breezy instead of hoary, i have breezy now ? [04:56] <ios> Hello [04:56] <mihai> the breezy part applies to me ? [04:56] <apokryphos> mihai: sources.list --yes [04:56] <ios> de [04:56] <tux> warum? [04:56] <brenner> mihai: did you dist upgrade? [04:57] <thoreauputic> mihai: mplayer is in multiverse - if you are getting errors you've fubar ed your sources [04:57] <tux> bin ich schon drin? [04:57] <Crube> apokryphos: I must have done something terribly wrong. I had this problem only with kubuntu, but not with ubuntu, so it might be me not using kde right. [04:57] <mihai> apokryphos, yeah sources.list, that one [04:57] <brenner> thoreauputic: he's using breezy sources in hoary ... this is a no-no correct? [04:57] <apokryphos> Crube: sudo operates exactly the same in KDE, and sudo is independent of it [04:57] <apokryphos> brenner: not if he wants to upgrade to breezy [04:58] <Proclivity> greetings... newbie here with a question [04:58] <thoreauputic> brenner: well, unless you are a pinning guru, yeah I think so [04:58] <brenner> apokryphos: but i don't think he has [04:58] <brenner> apokryphos: afaict, he's just using breezy sources [04:58] <brenner> in hoary [04:58] <brenner> mihai: did you dist upgrade? [04:58] <apokryphos> brenner: then he might well end up getting breezy by accident :) [04:58] <mihai> brenner, no i didn't upgrade fully to breezy, i just enabled it to get valknut [04:58] <mihai> should i switch back brenner ? [04:59] <apokryphos> brenner: though, if he doesn't specifically dist-upgrade he could ruin his system by running some breezy and hoary things. Could produce incompatibility issues [04:59] <apokryphos> mihai: risky [04:59] <brenner> that's what i was thinking [04:59] <Crube> apokryphos: yes, but still my kde konsole never allowed me to use sudo. It asked me the password, but didn't accept it. I was able to run programs as root with "alt+f2" [04:59] <mihai> apokryphos, bah, gentoo is much easier than this [04:59] <apokryphos> Crube: and typing what in alt+f2? Alt+f2 is just a konsole, you know? [05:00] <thoreauputic> mihai: if you like gentoo, use it :) [05:00] <thoreauputic> mihai: reading the docs always helps on any distro, of course [05:00] <Proclivity> I am attempting install of Hoary and hardware search isn't finding my second drive which is already Windoze partitioned... that is where I would like to install - any ideas? [05:00] <mihai> thoreauputic, my partition is too small for it, i'll be using it fully in a week or two, gentoo has no versions !!! [05:00] <srijith> quick q on ntfs in fstab, will "/dev/hda1 /mnt/ntfs ntfs uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0" get me a rw mount for user with uid 1000? [05:00] <Crube> apokryphos: for example runnign kuser and else as "different user" [05:00] <mihai> well right now i jsut wan to play a damn movie [05:00] <benkong2> anybody help with RewriteEngine module for apache2? Cannot find the module [05:00] <apokryphos> Crube: and else? [05:01] <mihai> so what multiverse should i add breazy or hoary ? [05:01] <apokryphos> Crube: you can run kuser as a normal user, but you'll most likely need root perms to make changes [05:01] <apokryphos> mihai: if you're on hoary, then hoary ones of course [05:02] <brenner> srijith: are you against using a utility, or do you prefer the fstab route? [05:02] <brenner> *i.e. do you prefer [05:02] <Crube> apokryphos: I ran kuser as root to give pass to root, so I was able to use sudo in konsole, which I couldn't do before [05:02] <srijith> brenner, I want it to be automounted on boot [05:02] <brenner> !tell srijith about ntfs [05:02] <thoreauputic> srijith: ntfs is read-only though [05:02] <apokryphos> Crube: do you *want* to muck up your system? You shouldn't ever run GUI apps in KDE (and probably gnome) without using kdesu/gksudo [05:03] <srijith> thoreauputic, yup.. forgot that.. [05:03] <srijith> brenner, if I do it the fstab way, is it correct? [05:03] <apokryphos> Crube: so, right now, enter a konsole and type sudo {somecommand} -- you're telling me it doesn't accept it? [05:03] <mihai> apokryphos, but my sources.list is all breezy [05:03] <apokryphos> mihai: your sources.list should reflect the distribution/version that you are running [05:03] <Crube> apokryphos: It does accept it now [05:03] <thoreauputic> srijith: I have [05:03] <thoreauputic> /dev/hda1 /windows ntfs noauto,ro,users,umask=022 0 0 [05:04] <apokryphos> mihai: having breezy sources and running hoary is evidently going to either give you breezy or cause issues [05:04] <Crube> apokryphos: But it didn't accept it before I went to kuser and gave root a pass (which is same as the user pass) [05:04] <thoreauputic> srijith: but if you want auto mount on boot s/noauto/auto [05:04] <brenner> srijith: not exactly sure of all the fstab syntax to tell you the truth. :) which is why i suggested the utility. it will mount it for you ... you can then worry about learning fstab syntax later :) [05:04] <mihai> apokryphos, but how else can i get a package that's not in hoary ? [05:04] <brenner> srijith: or you could just get thoreauputic to tell you :) [05:05] <apokryphos> Crube: type alt+f2 -> kdesu kuser, and put in your *user* pass. It will work, I guarantee it. [05:05] <apokryphos> mihai: (i) not run hoary; (ii) risk using it; (iii) compile. [05:05] <Crube> apokryphos: indeed it works when I run it fromk alt+f2 and put the pass there. But for some reason sudo didn't work in konsole. It didn't accept the pas there. That was the problem I had. [05:06] <mihai> apokryphos, yeah that's why gentoo is the best, no versions and such [05:06] <apokryphos> :S [05:06] <Ng> hehe [05:06] <srijith> thoreauputic, umask=022 implies write :) [05:06] <Ng> shame about all that compiling though ;) [05:06] <apokryphos> mihai: you can always run the "development" version here if you want to. Breezy is reasonably stable at the moment [05:06] <mihai> ng there are binary repos you can get binaries if you really want [05:06] <poe-t> hi! how do I add cyrillic to LaTeX in ubuntu? [05:07] <Ng> mihai: I know :) [05:07] <srijith> thoreauputic, crap.. I am sorry, me was wrong there [05:07] <thoreauputic> srijith: heh [05:07] <srijith> 2 = read=execute [05:07] <Proclivity> anyone have a moment to advise on install [05:07] <srijith> s/=/+ [05:07] <mihai> you could've made an ubuntu based on gentoo just as easy, it would've been much better, something like vida linux, just more decent [05:07] <tahorg> poe-t: scalable-cyrfonts-tex - Scalable Cyrillic fonts for TeX [05:07] <tahorg> ? [05:07] <brenner> Proclivity: ask away [05:08] <pitti> poe-t: install latex-ucs, \usepackage[utf8] {inputenc}, just paste it there; should work [05:08] <thoreauputic> srijith: 022 implies 644 perms on files, 755 on dirs [05:08] <Proclivity> I'm attempting install on my machine - only sees my primary drive not the second 200 G [05:08] <poe-t> pitti, thanks a lot.. the text should be utf8, right? [05:08] <Proclivity> I have that partitioned and a 60G partition reserved for Ubuntu, but [05:08] <Bombu> How much HD space does Ubuntu require? [05:08] <Proclivity> install doesn't see it [05:09] <apokryphos> Bombu: few gigs [05:09] <Bombu> more than 5? [05:09] <poe-t> Bombu, something around 1,8 Gb [05:09] <thoreauputic> Bombu: default install is about 1.8 Gig [05:09] <apokryphos> Bombu: original installation -- no, certainly not. [05:09] <srijith> thoreauputic, yup.. so u are +w for root aren't you? [05:09] <tombs> hi ppl [05:09] <Bombu> hopefuly I have a large enough hard drive... [05:09] <brenner> Bombu: 1.8gb typical, 350mb minimal [05:09] <else> does anyone has an idea why my mobile phone doesn't find my pc (bluetooth)? i can pair them, but the mobile doesn't find it when i want to send a file to the pc. [05:09] <thoreauputic> srijith: you won't be able to write to ntfs - it's kind of academic :) [05:10] <Proclivity> is there a way to manually browse to that drive to install? [05:10] <srijith> thoreauputic, :) [05:10] <Proclivity> during install [05:10] <poe-t> Bombu, you may need some space for /var/cache/apt (thats wjere new packages gets downloaded prior to install), and /home/bombu of course ;-) [05:10] <thoreauputic> srijith: and 7 is needed for directory access [05:10] <malin> when i try to install anything by apt-get, it says there is no such packet [05:10] <malin> am i doing anything wrong? [05:10] <malin> i tried sudo apt-get install quodlibet [05:10] <else> malin, sudo apt-get update [05:11] <else> malin, sudo apt-cache search quodlibet [05:11] <Bombu> Anyone from Canada have any problems with the free shipping i would like to kow before i order. [05:11] <Bombu> *know [05:11] <thoreauputic> malin: apt-cache search <keyword> to see package names [05:11] <malin> apt-cache search quodlibet found nothing [05:11] <thoreauputic> else: no need for sudo with apt-cache [05:12] <brenner> Bombu: shouldn't be, biggest issue people have had is the time period for delivery [05:12] <Bombu> thanks [05:12] <malin> is midnight commander only for kde? [05:12] <jebem> can somebody tell a good guide to ubuntu/linux? [05:12] <Proclivity> maybe a hardware compatibility problem with my second HD? [05:12] <Proclivity> is that why it isn't seen [05:13] <thoreauputic> malin: midnight commander is package " mc " [05:13] <else> thoreauputic, yeah, you're right ;) [05:13] <reiki_work> Just in case anyone is interested... I have abandoned using spamassassin as a filter in Evolution. It was way too slow. Now using a VERY simple fetchmail->procmail->spamassassin setup with Evolution just using the local mail spool to retrieve. MUCH faster and spamassassin tagging works like a charm. [05:13] <thoreauputic> malin: and it's a terminal app so you can use it anywhere you like [05:13] <Bombu> Any idea what knd of processor i'd need? I can run "Puppy" linux on my 586 166mhz. [05:13] <srijith> reiki, I have abadoned using Evolutionas such :) [05:13] <_liquidfire> Bombu: [05:14] <brenner> jebem: rather general area, but... try tldp.org and linux.com for linux, wiki.ubuntu.com for ubuntu [05:14] <_liquidfire> you should install xfce with that install [05:14] <_liquidfire> server-mode etc [05:14] <_liquidfire> then apt-get xfce [05:14] <_liquidfire> :o [05:14] <reiki_work> srijith: abandoned Evolution completely? What email client are you using? [05:14] <malin> i did sudo apt-get install mc and i got a message that mc packet couldn't be found [05:14] <brenner> jebem: hehe, actually, linux.com's howtos are mirrors of the tldp ones. [05:14] <srijith> reiki, mutt [05:14] <thoreauputic> malin: your sources are broken then [05:14] <reiki_work> srijith: ahhh... ok. :) [05:15] <malin> thoreauputic, you mean my sources list? [05:15] <cas> Hi everybody! [05:15] <jebem> thanks [05:15] <thoreauputic> malin: yes [05:15] <thoreauputic> !info mc [05:15] <ubotu> mc: (Midnight Commander - a powerful file manager), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 1:4.6.0-4.6.1-pre1-3ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1912 kB, Installed size: 5340 kB [05:15] <Proclivity> *yawn* :] [05:15] <GoClick> If I want to run a java program on my Ubuntu 5.04 machine should I install java-common? [05:15] <brenner> !java [05:15] <ubotu> java is, like, totally, to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [05:16] <thoreauputic> malin: your adventures with breezy and such have probably resulted in weird and wonderful inconsistencies [05:16] <cas> I just updated my Hoary to Breezy but I have some problems now :( The biggest problem is that my nic doesn't work anymore. I get a kernel error on boot (my realtek card doesn't support 8139cp, i need 8139too). [05:16] <GoClick> How can I make it so that my machine caches dns infomration longer we've got 8mbit fiber and world's slowest dns servers :P [05:17] <brenner> thoreauputic: OOI, are you running breezy? [05:17] <cas> If i start with my old kernel (2.6.10) I don't get the error but ifconfig won't give me a good ip. [05:17] <reiki_work> "weird and wonderful inconsistencies" ... hehehe... indeed [05:17] <Proclivity> oh well... thx anyway - I'll ask elsewhere [05:17] <thoreauputic> brenner: no, I'm cautious and on dialup ;) [05:17] <cas> the /etc/network.conf seems fine. What can i do? [05:18] <brenner> thoreauputic: same here, in both senses. :) [05:18] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: dialup! No-one should ever be subjected to such evil 8) [05:18] <mihai> what package do i need so totem movie player could play divx ? [05:18] <malin> thoreauputic, breezy? [05:18] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: still, yesterday's occurence made me realise how much I take it for granted. ;-) [05:18] <cas> GoClick: just use another DNS there are tons out there [05:18] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I'm moderately happy in my poverty ;) [05:18] <brenner> !tell mihai about restricted [05:18] <apokryphos> malin: w32codecs [05:18] <Hamman> mihai:w32codecs [05:18] <mihai> well i have that and divx is not playing [05:18] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: we're lucky in that it's so darn cheap now around here. [05:18] <malin> still dunno what r u talking about :-) [05:19] <mihai> any ideas? [05:19] <Hamman> mihai: are you running totem-xine or totem-gstreamer? [05:19] <Hamman> gstreamer is the default [05:19] <thoreauputic> malin: it sounds (forgive my directness) as if you dived in without a lifejacket and expected to swim immediately [05:20] <Hamman> try totem-xine if you haven't already, works better for me [05:20] <malin> that's pretty possible [05:20] <mihai> gstreamer haman [05:20] <thoreauputic> malin: ;) [05:20] <malin> (directness forgiven, i like directness :-)) [05:21] <Hamman> ok the mark totem-xine for installation in synaptic, an then mark totem-gstreamer for uninstallation [05:21] <Hamman> then report back [05:21] <thoreauputic> malin: you know what your nick means in French, I suppose? [05:21] <brenner> installing totem-xine will remove the gstreamer one automatically [05:21] <malin> thoreauputic, i know :-) [05:21] <brenner> thoreauputic: i don't... please indulge :) [05:21] <dhunter> totem-gstreamer will automagically be uninstalled [05:22] <malin> thoreauputic, do you know what does my nick mean in scandinavian countries? :> [05:22] <thoreauputic> brenner: "smart" with aconnotation of... [05:22] <brenner> lol [05:22] <thoreauputic> malin: no - enlighten us ! :) [05:22] <malin> brenner, "malicious" would be the best, i think [05:22] <malin> thoreauputic, Malin is a popular scandinavian female name :D [05:23] <brenner> hehe, two rather different translations [05:23] <thoreauputic> malin: oh [05:23] <malin> i guess i don't have to tell you i'm a guy :-) [05:23] <Belutz> malin: i have a friend name Marlin :D [05:23] <malin> :-) [05:23] <thoreauputic> brenner: emphasis on the unwritten connotation ;) [05:24] <twibbler> so after a rather annoying couple of hours found out why I couldn't print through qt from cups ... It was due to the printer name have a '-' in... does anybody now how to easily change a printer name ?. [05:24] <brenner> thoreauputic: *nod* still ... the first one is usually said in a cheeky way, the second isn't. [05:25] <thoreauputic> brenner: true [05:25] <kumaran> can some one give clues on retaining vnc client sessions which got kicked out unexpectedly [05:26] <HUP10> any suggestions on a text-based IRC client? [05:26] <malin> i got four urls in /etc/apt/sources.list [05:26] <dhunter> BitchX [05:26] <brenner> HUP10: irssi [05:27] <HUP10> I've tried to apt-get both of those, and no joy [05:27] <mike998> HUP10 try bitchx [05:27] <malin> http://pl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu, http://pl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu, http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu [05:27] <thoreauputic> !start an IRC client war [05:27] <ubotu> irssi is better than konversation ! [05:27] <kumaran> brenner: do you have any clues on how to regain vnc client session which got kicked out [05:27] <malin> should i add any url? [05:28] <brenner> kumaran: eek, no sorry. [05:28] <srijith> !ubotu [05:28] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/ [05:28] <mike998> thoreauputic : I'd join in but I don't know much about them [05:28] <brenner> kumaran: is there a #vnc channel? [05:28] <thoreauputic> mike998: that never stops anyone else ;-) [05:28] <brenner> malin: a valid list can be found here: [05:28] <HUP10> which file do I put those apt servers in? [05:28] <brenner> !repos [05:28] <ubotu> rumour has it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [05:29] <brenner> malin: assuming you're running hoary [05:29] <malin> thanks brenner [05:29] <chrismy_> lamp [05:29] <mike998> thoreauputic: It's like starting a war about window managers, editors, religion, politics or any of those other fun subjects [05:29] <srijith> anyone knows where to get the code for factoids like ubotu [05:29] <thoreauputic> mike998: indeed :) [05:30] <malin> brenner, yeah, i got 5.04 [05:30] <apokryphos> srijith: ubotu is a bot; he has many factoids [05:30] <thoreauputic> !list [05:30] <ubotu> hmm... list is you can see a list of things I know at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage [05:30] <brenner> malin: good to go then [05:30] <thoreauputic> srijith: ^^^^ [05:31] <Crube> Anyone have an idea why my disk space stays the same even when i delete files -.- [05:31] <Blissex> Crube: yes. [05:31] <mjr> Crube, if you have the files open in some process, they're not actually deleted when you unlink them [05:31] <srijith> apokryphos, any idea where to get the source code/script for the bot? [05:32] <thoreauputic> !info blootbot [05:32] <ubotu> blootbot: (a severely modified infobot for IRC), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 1.1.0-5.1 (hoary), Packaged size: 235 kB, Installed size: 936 kB [05:32] <EasterSunshine> installing blootbot almost borked my system [05:32] <apokryphos> srijith: he's a blootbot; you can get him from apt. [05:32] <brenner> EasterSunshine: almost? [05:33] <srijith> apokryphos, oh ok.. thanks [05:33] <andreas__> "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!" what does this mean? [05:33] <apokryphos> written in perl though, isn't he? :S [05:33] <Ng> which means you can also hack him so he doesn't sound so stupid ;) [05:33] <apokryphos> andreas__: libx11-dev [05:33] <EasterSunshine> brenner: why it borked yours completely? [05:33] <thoreauputic> Ng: party pooper ! ;-) [05:33] <andreas__> k [05:34] <Ng> thoreauputic: maybe, but it just looks dumb to me when it says "foo is like totally bar" [05:34] <apokryphos> andreas__: it just means that you don't have the X includes; you can get them by installing that package. [05:34] <apokryphos> Ng: ok, so he's a rebellious-teenager-bot :P [05:34] <brenner> EasterSunshine: hehe, no. nvm, just my ramblings. [05:34] <apokryphos> time to grow [05:34] <thoreauputic> Ng: like, you are totally 4w3som3 , man... ;-) [05:35] <sharmastreet> hello everyone [05:35] <malin> ok, a brand new sources list was what i needed [05:35] <sharmastreet> hi malin how are you [05:35] <apokryphos> hi sharmastreet [05:35] <malin> me? cool [05:35] <sharmastreet> hi apokryphos [05:36] <malin> mc installed [05:36] <apokryphos> malin: yuck :P [05:36] <malin> mc roxxor [05:36] <malin> but it hasn't got polish characters [05:36] <mihai> Hamman, ok now it works, but no sound on totem [05:36] <apokryphos> l337h4xx0r: w00t [05:37] <guupsta> 1337 5k1ll5 [05:37] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: :D [05:37] <sharmastreet> hey has anyone seen that film gone with the wind [05:37] <Dr_Willis> sharmastreet, Hmm years ago. [05:37] <apokryphos> Old Classic [05:37] <thoreauputic> sharmastreet: nah, it was a total box office flop - no-one saw it ;) [05:38] <steve_> sharma loves it in the arse [05:38] <apokryphos> :/ [05:38] <Dr_Willis> let me guess ... Steven Speilburg is remaking it [05:38] <sharmastreet> oh my god how rude [05:38] <andreas__> Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (library qt-mt) not found <--- what should I install? [05:38] <steve_> she loves eating spunk [05:38] <sharmastreet> someone tell him to go [05:38] <mihai> ok anybody to help, i have no sound in totem-xine, i have w32codecs [05:38] <thoreauputic> steve_: ops any minute now... [05:38] <steve_> u love my spunk sharma [05:38] <apokryphos> andreas__: libqt3-mt-dev [05:39] <brenner> andreas__: what are you installing? [05:39] <thoreauputic> !ops [05:39] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia! [05:39] <sharmastreet> can someone tell that rude man to go [05:39] <apokryphos> steve_: do be quiet [05:39] <brenner> mihai: installed totem-xine? [05:39] <mihai> yep [05:39] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: great factoid :P [05:39] <brenner> lol [05:39] <Lefungus> hello [05:39] <andreas__> brenner, valknut [05:39] <sharmastreet> thanks apokryphos [05:39] <poe-t> thanks a lot [05:39] <thoreauputic> lee84: nice try but the logs betray you [05:39] <spunk> ive spunked [05:39] <poe-t> pitti, thanks a lot.. [05:39] <Lefungus> what do I need to download to get latest development version of ubuntu ? [05:39] <Kokoro> thoreauputic: Thanks for the tip I now have the original Wing Commander Privateer working on dosbox [05:39] <kumaran> hi [05:40] <thoreauputic> Kokoro: cool :) [05:40] <mihai> wtf ubuntu doesn't even have gcc [05:40] <XandriX> thoreauputic, http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTEyNDgzNzA3MkhqUkdBMzJwNFVfMV8xX2wuanBn im not sure thats he best way to cool them [05:40] <brenner> mihai: install build-essential [05:40] <thoreauputic> !build [05:40] <ubotu> [build] sudo apt-get install build-essential, or use the synaptic package manager to install the build-essential package: or ask me about synaptic [05:40] <Ng> mihai: of course it does [05:40] <spunk> im just spunked again [05:40] <mihai> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH [05:40] <mihai> See `config.log' for more details. [05:40] <kumaran> brenner: any idea on how to enable assistive technology [05:40] <carajean> hey guys i noticed ubuntu came with a bit torrent thingy is there a better one? [05:40] <thoreauputic> mihai: can you read? at all? [05:40] <apokryphos> carajean: Azureus, KTorrent [05:40] <spunk> FUCK OFF [05:40] <brenner> kumaran: probably not, seeing as i don't know what it is :) [05:40] <sharmastreet> this chat line is boring [05:41] <kaha> carajean: I like bittornado [05:41] <brenner> kumaran: checked the wiki & forum? [05:41] <mihai> thoreauputic, no i cannot read [05:41] <kumaran> brenner: thanks [05:41] <sharmastreet> so do i [05:41] <Ng> sharmastreet: spunk: lee84: how about all one of you shut up and go away? [05:41] <apokryphos> sharmastreet: it's for Ubuntu :) [05:41] <spunk> IM NOT BORING LET ME SPUNK IN U [05:41] <carajean> is that for linux kaha? [05:41] <apokryphos> spunk: What are you doing? [05:41] <spunk> SPUNK SPUNK SPUNK [05:41] <Ng> apokryphos: being a stupid 15 year old [05:41] <sharmastreet> fuckyoung [05:41] <kaha> carajean: yes. In fact, it's an Ubuntu package. :) [05:41] <spunk> I LOVE SPUNKING [05:41] <Ng> apokryphos: they're all on the same host [05:41] <sharmastreet> pissoff ng [05:41] <apokryphos> spunk: maybe we could get you a medal for your galiant perfomance in here [05:41] <kumaran> brenner: i see this in system ->preferences->assistive technology [05:41] <kumaran> in my ubuntu [05:41] <kumaran> i tried to enable the check box [05:42] <apokryphos> srijith: hopefully an OP will *act* [05:42] <kumaran> but no able to proceed further [05:42] <Ng> sharmastreet: you have the same hostname as spunk and lee84, which means you are in the same house or on the same access point, if you are a different person, you should go and beat the shit out of whoever the tool is [05:42] <srijith> apokryphos, dont think there is anyone "alive" right now [05:42] <apokryphos> kaha: seems likely :P [05:42] <kumaran> can any one tell me how to enable and use assistive technology support in ubuntu [05:42] <spunk> IM THE TOOL [05:42] <brenner> kumaran: might need to install the packages it recommends in that tip at the bottom of the box [05:42] <spunk> WOOWHOOOOOOO [05:42] <Ng> spunk: we can see that [05:42] <tristanmike> hey [05:42] <sharmastreet> ng is your name sherlock holmes in disguise [05:43] <spunk> SEE WOT [05:43] <spunk> NG [05:43] <Ng> hehe, teenagers are so funny ;) [05:43] <sharmastreet> ng is a twat [05:43] <malin> My /mnt/ntfs directory has 500 rights now, so i can't access it unless i'm a root. Even if i'm a root i can't change the rights. Should i mount that disc in another way to be able to read that disc?? [05:43] <apokryphos> sharmastreet: please don't flame [05:43] <kumaran> thanks brenner. i will try that now [05:43] <sharmastreet> why talk to me than prick [05:43] <spunk> IM FUCKIN 32 U BORING BASTARDS [05:43] <kumaran> believe me i am a newbie to linux [05:43] <Ng> spunk: then you must be some kind of "special" person [05:43] <apokryphos> !ops [05:43] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia! [05:43] <tristanmike> watch the language [05:43] <Dr_Willis> 32 - i though your IQ was about that range. [05:44] <Ng> spunk: what kind of 32 year old wastes their time talking about spunk on the internet? [05:44] <thoreauputic> where the heck are the ops? jdub? [05:44] <spunk> I AM IVE SPUNKED ON YOUR PILLOW [05:44] <Ng> see [05:44] <Ng> I say no older than 14 ;) [05:44] <spunk> WRONG [05:44] <spunk> 21 [05:44] <spunk> LOL [05:44] <tristanmike> Take the off-topic conversation elsewhere [05:44] <NoUse> Ng insult to 14 year olds everywhere [05:44] <sharmastreet> NG what sort of name is that [05:44] <spunk> IM AT WORK I THOUGHT IT WUD BE FUNNY CUMIN IN HERE [05:44] <srijith> Seveas, There u are!!!!!!! [05:44] <srijith> help! [05:45] <srijith> :) [05:45] <CarinArr> hey does anyone know an application that might be able to read copy protected cds? [05:45] <tristanmike> Seveas, save us [05:45] <apokryphos> woo [05:45] <Ng> spunk: that takes us back to "special" then ;) [05:45] <CarinArr> i.e. music cds [05:45] <thoreauputic> Seveas: action required, please [05:45] <srijith> Seveas, kick spunk please [05:45] <apokryphos> Seveas: please ban/kick spunk lee84 [05:45] <apokryphos> heh [05:45] <tristanmike> Seveas, spunk is being a punk [05:45] <Ng> Seveas: and sharmastreet [05:45] <sharmastreet> get lost spunk [05:45] <Dr_Willis> CarinArr, hmm - what cd exactly? most of the music copy protections ive heard of are so trivial to get around - a fast google search should get ya some info. [05:45] <spunk> SHARMA LOVES ANAL [05:46] <CarinArr> kaiser chiefs - employment [05:46] <kaha> kewl [05:46] <carajean> ok for some reason guys the apt-get isnt working for the flashplayer plugin can someone help me do it manually? [05:47] <Seveas> too bad it's dialup [05:47] <brenner> carajean: probably need to enable multiverse [05:47] <srijith> thanks Seveas [05:47] <Seveas> have to set a broad ban [05:47] <tristanmike> thanx Seveas, good work [05:47] <Ng> Seveas: that's a really terrible ban dude [05:47] <Zero_Ice> got a quickie question about the ubuntu iso file... [05:47] <Ng> seriously, that's thousands and thousands of people [05:47] <Seveas> i know [05:48] <Zero_Ice> Do i have to burn it to a cd to install or can i just extract the file in the seperate partition and install it from there? [05:48] <apokryphos> Ng: temporary, of course. [05:48] <kaha> Could someone plz explain why I have no /dev/sequencer? Is this normal, or am I missing a package? [05:48] <Ng> btopenworld is *every* BT dialup and ADSL user in the country [05:48] <Seveas> i'll make it narrower in an hour [05:48] <Seveas> what was wrong with lee84 ? [05:48] <thoreauputic> Seveas: same stuff, different nicks [05:49] <Seveas> gone and banned [05:49] <apokryphos> Seveas: [16:38] <steve_> u love my spunk sharma [05:49] <Ng> lee84 was just the same person [05:49] <apokryphos> [16:39] *** steve_ is now known as lee84. [05:49] <bonggnu> hi, i have VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60), the systems works, but doesnot sound to speaker [05:49] <kebanting> hai..guys [05:49] <apokryphos> hi :) [05:49] <Belutz> hai [05:49] <kaha> hai [05:50] <bonggnu> i checked audio levels, all up but not sound [05:50] <brenner> bonggnu: not even system sounds? [05:50] <bonggnu> brenner, not sound [05:50] <carajean> brenner how do i set to multivers? [05:50] <Sypder_Man> If anyone has the knowledge....can they help me in #cedega [05:51] <brenner> !tell carajean about repos [05:51] <Dr_Willis> Sypder_Man, what knowledege? i missed somthing. :P [05:51] <Belutz> kebanting: what part of indonesia do you live in? [05:51] <Sypder_Man> :P [05:51] <carajean> oohh those i did those alreay [05:51] <brenner> bonggnu: ? [05:51] <bonggnu> brenner, what [05:51] <kebanting> yup... belutz [05:51] <srijith> Seveas, do stick around for some time incase he comes back :) [05:51] <kebanting> i from indonesia [05:51] <Belutz> kebanting: in jakarta? [05:51] <kebanting> how about y..?belutz [05:51] <kebanting> yup.... [05:51] <AkisOle> hello [05:51] <carajean> brenner i already did the repos i know that much [05:51] <Belutz> kebanting: i'm from indonesia too :p [05:52] <AkisOle> Hello... i've succesfyllu installed Greek Microsoft office in crossover platform after a lot of trying i figured oute that the correct command to have greek encoding is env LC_CTYPE=el_GR.ISO-8859-7 /opt/cxoffice/bin/wine --cx-app winword. The problem is that when i write a document in greek it does not have the write encoding... I write something like chinese... [05:52] <brenner> bonggnu: not even system sounds? [05:52] <Seveas> srijith, he can't, I just changed the ban to only dialup users [05:52] <kebanting> oooo yaaa... where .. are u .. live [05:52] <bonggnu> not even system sounds [05:52] <Belutz> now, i'm in tangerang [05:52] <kebanting> ooo i c.. [05:53] <Seveas> thoreauputic, ? [05:53] <brenner> carajean: you should have mozilla-mplayer available then [05:53] <carajean> ok let me check them again maybe i typed something wrong [05:53] <brenner> !tell bonggnu about sound [05:53] <thoreauputic> Seveas: sorry? [05:53] <brenner> bonggnu: maybe look at that for a start [05:53] <Seveas> can I pm you for a second? [05:53] <kaha> Question: is it normal to have no /dev/sequencer? [05:53] <bonggnu> thanks [05:54] <thoreauputic> Seveas: did you ping me? [05:54] <Seveas> not as in /ping, but I shouted your name in i high-ptch voice :) [05:54] <kebanting> anyone try remastring ubntu for special case .. i mean add some package in postinstall or remove some packaged from pool/ [05:54] <thoreauputic> Seveas: ah sorry was sfk [05:54] <Hamman> kaha: I had to configure it when I played around with rosegarden a couple of weeks vack [05:54] <thoreauputic> *afk [05:54] <Seveas> thoreauputic, can I pm you for a second? [05:55] <thoreauputic> sure [05:55] <kaha> Hamman: what exactly did you configure? [05:55] <thoreauputic> Seveas: sure [05:55] <kebanting> belutz: udah pernah coba e17 blom... [05:56] <kaha> Hamman: I mean, what would be the correct file to edit? [05:57] <brenner> AkisOle: played around with word's prefereneces? [05:58] <AkisOle> brenner, no... i'l try.. but i think there is nothing usefull there... :( [05:58] <Belutz> kebanting: not yet... [05:59] <kebanting> belutz: it's ok..my man .. [05:59] <Belutz> kebanting: :) [05:59] <n0ha> hello [05:59] <chicken-man> Hi every one [05:59] <thoreauputic> good night all :) [05:59] <kebanting> belutz: a' u working ..? [05:59] <Belutz> nite thoreauputic [05:59] <bonggnu> brenner, my sound card is update, but my problem is the output of the sound, i open a media player, and play an mp3, the apps shows like "sounds" , but the sound is not heared, i checked alsamixer, alsamixergui, and all the levels are up and on [06:00] <Belutz> kebanting: just graduated [06:00] <n0ha> i'm getting 500 internal server error when trying to apt-get install package [06:00] <Belutz> kebanting: brb, want to smoke for a while :D [06:00] <n0ha> can someone help me plz? [06:00] <kebanting> belutz: oo .. ic [06:00] <kebanting> belutz: interesting for woking ..? [06:00] <brenner> bonggnu: yes, but if you're not even getting system sounds, you might need to do something more... [06:01] <chicken-man> n0ha, check the sources.list file in /etc/apt [06:01] <brenner> bonggnu: what player app you using? [06:01] <bonggnu> beep media player, amarok, xmms [06:01] <bonggnu> even mpg123 in console [06:01] <bonggnu> aplay [06:01] <brenner> bonggnu: and you've changed the output plugin in bmp/xmms? [06:01] <bonggnu> yup [06:02] <n0ha> chicken-man: when i do apt-get update, everything goes fine [06:02] <n0ha> i have checked the sources.list according to the ubuntu guide [06:02] <brenner> bonggnu: *nod* then something bigger is up.....try pinging crimsun when he's active. he's the sound guru in here [06:02] <chicken-man> n0ha, hmmmm [06:02] <chicken-man> n0ha, try sudo aptitude and see if that works [06:02] <carajean> ok brenner could u send me that link again [06:02] <ubuntu> you guys like this ubuntu shit [06:02] <brenner> !repos [06:02] <ubotu> repos is, like, totally, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [06:02] <kaha> is there an FAQ pertaining to MIDI playback, sequencing? Trying to get a software synthesizer to work, but I get no sound. All other sound is okay. [06:03] <phantom_> I just downloaded a skin for BEEP Media Player.. how do I install the zip file???? [06:03] <cosmic> hai [06:03] <kebanting> chicken-man: what the function of aptitude command line . [06:03] <brenner> phantom_: copy it to ~/.bmp/Skins [06:03] <kaha> phantom: unpack it in ~/.bmp/skins/ [06:03] <phantom_> as a zip??? [06:03] <kebanting> comic: hai [06:03] <brenner> carajean: that one? [06:03] <cosmic> #pekanbaru [06:04] <kebanting> cosmic: dari pekan baru ya [06:04] <brenner> phantom_: yes, it can handle zip archives.... ~/.bmp/Skins [06:04] <chicken-man> kebanting, ? [06:04] <bonggnu> hi, i changed the output in xmms and works [06:04] <n0ha> chicken-man: i was trying it with kynaptic, and the result was the same [06:04] <brenner> lol [06:04] <bonggnu> :D [06:04] <brenner> bonggnu: i thought it didn't work? [06:04] <chicken-man> n0ha, :-/ [06:04] <brenner> bonggnu: i thought you did change it? [06:05] <phantom_> I cannot cd into .bmp [06:05] <chicken-man> n0ha, clear the cache [06:05] <bonggnu> yes [06:05] <phantom_> sory i can [06:05] <brenner> phantom_: ~/.bmp [06:05] <phantom_> thanks [06:05] <brenner> :) [06:05] <n0ha> chicken-man: how can i do that? [06:05] <malin> missed me? :D [06:05] <brenner> phantom_: ~ is your home directory ... shorthand for /home/username [06:06] <Belutz> kebanting: do you work? [06:06] <kaha> phantom_: you can put winamp skins in there too, and it'll use them. :) [06:06] <kebanting> chicken-man: when i use aptitude command line .. i mean [06:06] <apokryphos> Seveas: oh, by the way, are you the maintainer of the paste.ubuntulinux.nl? Just a suggestion: I think it would be cool to have highlighting options for what's pasted [06:06] <kebanting> belut: yup [06:06] <brenner> phantom_: winamp classic only :) [06:06] <brenner> kaha: any good skins? [06:06] <Belutz> kebanting: where do u work? [06:06] <chicken-man> n0ha, apt-cache dump i think [06:07] <matrix79> does the ubuntu support the powerpc G3 architecture? [06:07] <kebanting> belut: my team need some pepole for linux migration [06:07] <kaha> brenner: LOTS of em. I prefer Nucleo Nlog [06:07] <GoClick> I added the horay-extras reposatory and looked for j2se I also tried sun- and no avail. [06:07] <brenner> matrix79: *nod* there's a powerpc iso iirc [06:07] <kebanting> belutz: i working at vistek [06:07] <kaha> But yeah, just the "classic" skins work right [06:07] <n0ha> chicken-man: ok, i tried apt-get clean, and i get this when trying to apt-get install mozilla-firefox: 500 Internal Server Error [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] [06:07] <wickedpuppy> GoClick, have you enabled multiverse ? [06:07] <brenner> kaha: i like WdotAmp [06:07] <Belutz> kebanting: hmmm, interested :D does your company has vacancies? :D [06:08] <matrix79> brenner: website only saws G4 and G5. [06:08] <malin> is there a shortcut that launches the terminal? [06:08] <chicken-man> n0ha, apt-get update [06:08] <malin> [keyboard shortcut] [06:08] <wickedpuppy> malin, you can make your own short cut [06:08] <brenner> matrix79: oh, not sure then sorry. :) [06:08] <malin> oh, do i? [06:08] <malin> cool :-) [06:08] <kebanting> belutz: send me mail .. with cv n app latters... [06:08] <wickedpuppy> right click on the panel and make a short cut :P [06:08] <benji> Hi, I had a question. I don't seem to have access to the latest depository with apt. My source is... deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted [06:08] <brenner> wickedpuppy: why not bind it to a key? [06:08] <Seveas> apokryphos, what do you mean? [06:08] <brenner> e.g. the windows start key :) [06:08] <Belutz> kebanting: but i'm no expert :) [06:09] <wickedpuppy> brenner, why not ? ctrl-alt-f1 [06:09] <wickedpuppy> :P [06:09] <Seveas> benji: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [06:09] <Seveas> benji: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [06:09] <benji> shows that gnome with ubunty hoary is 2.10...and I see 2.8 with apt-get [06:09] <brenner> wickedpuppy: eww. :) [06:09] <benji> thanks seveas, i'll check it out [06:09] <apokryphos> Seveas: i.e. ww.pastebin.com -- choice of different highlighting. Bash/python etc. Though I understand the majority of the time it will be bash [06:09] <kebanting> belutz: no worry man [06:09] <kaha> okay, I'm now assuming that nobody out there has a /dev/sequencer. :P [06:09] <carajean> yeah brenner that was the one even though goin through the synaptic thing did work [06:09] <matrix79> ummm - trivial question - how do you start-up ubuntu on a mac os 8 - I put the cd in and on boot up it said rebuilding desktop image then nothing happened [06:09] <Seveas> apokryphos, yeah, mine is based on pastebin.com, but he never released the highlighting code [06:09] <kebanting> belutz: try ..n pray :D [06:10] <apokryphos> Seveas: that's nice of him. :/ [06:10] <Seveas> and I'm too busy to implement it myself (unless it's some sort of pear class) [06:10] <Belutz> kebanting: where's vistek office? [06:10] <apokryphos> Seveas: no, I wouldn't bother; if it was available then it would be a good idea; otherwise -- not worth the hassle. [06:11] <kebanting> belutz, gatot subroto adhi graha building [06:11] <Seveas> I'm looking at pear now [06:11] <Seveas> expect the 'show diff' function soon :) [06:11] <matrix79> how do you start-up ubuntu on a mac os 8 - I put the cd in and on boot up it said rebuilding desktop image then nothing happened - anyone have any ideas? [06:11] <GoClick> wickedpuppy I think I have [06:11] <kebanting> belutz: do u ever know.. ? [06:11] <Belutz> kebanting: ic, and where should i send the email? [06:11] <carajean> ok brenner those sources examples i can just copy and paste and they will work? because some of the stuff is commented out and i dont know what to make work and what not to??? [06:12] <mihai> HAHA firefox got broken ! [06:12] <jono> anyone run xampp here? [06:12] <Belutz> kebanting: hmm... never heard of it hehehe [06:12] <benji> Is Ubuntu 5.04 live now? [06:12] <mihai> i cannot see any menu text, it's just lines [06:12] <brenner> carajean: iirc, that will give you main, universe and multiverse [06:12] <GoClick> How do I enable multiverse? [06:12] <kebanting> belutz: ASAP man, do heard survayor indnesia... ? [06:12] <benji> apt-get only has 2.8.0 of gnome...says that ubuntu 5.04 has 2.10 [06:12] <GoClick> !multiverse [06:12] <ubotu> ask me about !repositories [06:12] <GoClick> !repositories [06:12] <ubotu> repositories is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [06:13] <Belutz> kebanting: yes, i see the big word on top of a building :D [06:13] <carajean> ok i must be really special cause in the examples i dont see iirc? [06:13] <brenner> ubotu: forget repositories [06:13] <ubotu> brenner: i forgot repositories [06:13] <brenner> ubotu: repositories is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [06:13] <ubotu> okay, brenner [06:13] <kebanting> belutz: good viewer .. hehhehe .. [06:13] <zarcx> do you guys think it is worth it to run ubuntu on a powerbook or i better buy a x86 laptop [06:13] <zarcx> ? [06:14] <matrix79> how do you start-up ubuntu on a mac os 8 - I put the cd in and on boot up it said rebuilding desktop image then nothing happened - anyone have any ideas [06:14] <deFrysk> zarcx, get both [06:14] <fl> matrix79, are you talking about a old world machine? [06:14] <zarcx> deFrysk: why is that? [06:14] <Belutz> kebanting: what's the email address? [06:14] <deFrysk> zarcx, was jusk kidding ;) [06:14] <matrix79> fl: what makes something an old world machine? [06:15] <GoClick> I added the horay-extras reposatory and looked for j2se I also tried sun- and no avail. [06:15] <carajean> Seveas is ur example of sources good to use? will that let me download flashplayer? [06:15] <brenner> !java [06:15] <ubotu> well, java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [06:15] <kebanting> belutz: ridho@e-visitek.com .. [06:15] <brenner> GoClick: see ubotu's link [06:15] <Belutz> kebanting: ok :) [06:15] <GoClick> I did [06:15] <Sypder_Man> dennis@spartan:~$ xrandr [06:15] <Sypder_Man> Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0". [06:15] <Sypder_Man> :O [06:15] <GoClick> I added the extras and I have dissabled sources enabled and I've read that link [06:15] <fl> matrix79, what is the machine's name/type you want to install ubuntu on? (like e.g. "Powerbook G3 Series) [06:15] <kebanting> belutz: don't forget okey.. i'm waiting u mail.... [06:15] <Sypder_Man> Can someone tell me where to get extention Randr for Xserver [06:16] <Belutz> kebanting: ok, maybe i'll send it tommorow [06:16] <brenner> GoClick: and then? [06:16] <kaha> has ANYONE had any luck getting a synthesizer (namely ZynAddSubFX) to run on their Ubuntu box? I'm getting no sound. [06:16] <GoClick> I looked for sun- and j2re and the full name and I get no results [06:16] <matrix79> fl: it is just a G3 from like 6 yrs ago with mac os 8 [06:16] <fl> matrix79, one of the beige tower systems? [06:16] <brenner> GoClick: did you reload in synaptic? [06:16] <Seveas> carajean, yes it will [06:17] <GoClick> yes I did [06:17] <Rockett18> look for j2sdk [06:17] <kebanting> belutz: ok, .. do ever u try remastering ubuntu.... [06:17] <carajean> thanks Seveas [06:17] <brenner> Rockett18: he wants the re :-/ [06:17] <Belutz> kebanting: not yet... u mean remastering a live cd right? [06:17] <GoClick> j2 doesn't find anything [06:17] <matrix79> fl: ummm...it is green and clear colored [06:17] <GoClick> Well not java [06:18] <kebanting> belutz: nop .. remastering installed cd [06:18] <Belutz> kebanting: hmmm no... [06:18] <Belutz> kebanting: so you need a custom install cd ? [06:19] <kebanting> belutz: i've being tried but lot of errrors .. [06:19] <kebanting> belutz: may be .. custom install.. [06:19] <Belutz> kebanting: why don't just install like usual, but create a post install script? [06:19] <kebanting> belutz: what .. can i do.. for custom cd install [06:19] <benji> Since I'm usinv hoary main restricted as my repository, I should have the hoary 5.04 packages available to me, right? [06:19] <matrix79> fl: here is a pic - http://www.everymac.com/images/cpu_pictures/apple_powermac_g3bondi.jpg [06:19] <luke> hello all. I'm 100% noob and having troube with usb devices. I have a generic Memory Stick reader and a Netgear WLAN adaptor.. They get listed in device manager but neither are working. Any suggections? [06:19] <fl> matrix79, ok. that's actually better then beige in more than one way :-) let me check something... [06:20] <matrix79> ok [06:20] <luke> BTW I am on 5.04 [06:20] <Belutz> kebanting: hmm i have no idea.. [06:20] <brenner> GoClick: only thing i can think of is that hoar-extrashasn't been enabled somehow ... post your sources.list to a pastebin [06:20] <Belutz> Seveas: is it possible to create a custom install cd for ubuntu? [06:20] <phantom_> how do I get flash installed on firefox??? [06:20] <GoClick> brenner where is that file and which pasebin would you like? [06:21] <brenner> GoClick: /etc/apt/sources.list , pastebin in topic is fine [06:21] <apokryphos> phantom_: install flashplayer-mozilla [06:21] <mihai> ok i had like 12 tabs open in firefox, it suddenly crashed (just disappeared) and now i cannot see webpage, or the url i write, or any text in the menus ! [06:21] <Belutz> phantom_: sudo apt-get flashplayer-mozilla [06:21] <phantom_> thanks people [06:21] <Belutz> phantom_: sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla [06:22] <srijith> crap.. how many updates are needed for pcre??!!! [06:22] <kaha> Firefox crashes alot on me when I try to download files [06:22] <Belutz> hmmm, i never had problem with my firefox [06:22] <mihai> yeah, i was trying to download a file and it crashed [06:22] <Crube> Mine's working fine. [06:22] <fl> matrix79, ok, that's a "bondi blue" or rather "blue and white" G3 [06:22] <kebanting> me too [06:22] <phantom_> sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla [06:22] <Xenguy> kaha: try 'wget' with the '-c' option :-) [06:22] <luke> hello all. I'm 100% noob and having troube with usb devices. I have a generic Memory Stick reader and a Netgear WLAN adaptor.. They get listed in device manager but neither are working. Any suggections? [06:22] <apokryphos> mihai: link? [06:23] <mihai> link to what ? [06:23] <phantom_> cant find package [06:23] <kaha> Yeah, it's weird. Pics, even. The vanilla firefox from moz org doesn't do that. [06:23] <apokryphos> mihai: the file you tried to download [06:23] <matrix79> so: fl how do we get the ubuntu os to fire up [06:23] <GoClick> brenner you can go look at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1578 [06:23] <apokryphos> phantom_: you will need to enable the Multiverse repository [06:23] <kaha> Xenguy: I usually do that. :) [06:23] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell phantom_ about repos [06:23] <Belutz> phantom_: you have to enable the multiverse/universe repo [06:23] <fl> matrix79, this one has "Open Firmware", which you can access at boot with apple+alt+o+f [06:23] <mihai> i have no clue.. i can't see anything in firefox now [06:23] <Xenguy> kaha: ah good - some people don't know about wget goodness [06:23] <fl> matrix79, ok, that means that you should be using the "yaboot" boot manager [06:23] <LoveBug356> don't use backports for firefox or any of his extensions, if you do so you have an unstable program [06:23] <mihai> it doesn't show up pages anymore, and the text in the menus is gone [06:23] <benji> Since I'm usinv hoary main restricted as my repository, I should have the hoary 5.04 packages available to me, right? [06:24] <fl> matrix79, and, if you put the CD in, and press and hold "c" during the boot, your machine should start from the Ubuntu CD [06:24] <bonggnu> i have troubles to record a cdr with cdrecord, only works with cdrdao [06:24] <matrix79> so fl: I reboot the machine and hit apple+alt+o+f [06:24] <matrix79> ok [06:24] <fl> matrix79, sorry, type too slow. [06:24] <mihai> (Gecko:6680): Pango-CRITICAL **: pango_cairo_show_glyph_string: assertion `PANGO_IS_CAIRO_FONT (font)' failed [06:24] <mihai> what's this ? [06:25] <fl> matrix79, put in the Ubuntu CD, and press and hold "c" during the boot, your machine should start from the Ubuntu CD [06:25] <kebanting> belutz: i'm so sleep.... n i'm going to my bed ... [06:25] <matrix79> ok - testing now [06:25] <Belutz> kebanting: ok man... have a nice rest [06:25] <GoClick> brenner ? [06:25] <kebanting> belutz: nice to meet u ..:D [06:25] <chicken-man> what do i use so i can start a telnet server ? [06:25] <benji> use openssh [06:25] <benji> instead of telnet [06:25] <benji> if you can [06:25] <GoClick> chicken-man telnet is unsafe [06:25] <Belutz> kebanting: nice to meet u too :) [06:25] <Xenguy> chicken-man: ssh :p [06:25] <chicken-man> i don't like SSH [06:25] <kaha> chicken-man: telnetd. But use ssh [06:26] <GoClick> Why don't you like it? [06:26] <brenner> GoClick: dunno, link seems ok. i'm tempted to tell you to just replace it with this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (uncomment extras) [06:26] <Xenguy> chicken-man: hah [06:26] <benji> Why don't you like ssh? :) [06:26] <srijith> chicken-man, wow! why? [06:26] <chicken-man> i can't get telnetd to work [06:26] <GoClick> brenner ok I'll give that a shot [06:26] <brenner> GoClick: also, don't know why you had a warty repo there [06:26] <kaha> chicken-man: ya prolly don't have it installed [06:26] <chicken-man> i do [06:26] <kaha> hrm [06:26] <GoClick> I don't know either [06:26] <brenner> hehe [06:27] <chicken-man> :-/ [06:27] <benji> brenner, I'm using that same sources.list...that is where the hoary 5.04 packages are right? [06:27] <Xenguy> chicken-man: you'll be cracked in no time - weeeee [06:27] <brenner> afaik [06:27] <benji> I don't :-/ [06:27] <kaha> chicken-man: telnetd is insecure [06:27] <chicken-man> i know that [06:27] <benji> ie..I have access to gnome 2.8.0 [06:27] <benji> instead of 2.10 [06:27] <srijith> chicken-man, cant start it from init.d? [06:28] <brenner> benji: what package? [06:28] <malin> hm [06:28] <chicken-man> i tryed invoke-rc.d telnetd start but that don't work [06:28] <benji> gnome-common [06:28] <Belutz> kebanting: wow, Bank Indonesia is your client?? [06:28] <brenner> Xenguy: that was horrible. ;) [06:28] <kaha> chicken-man: /etc/init.d/telnetd start [06:28] <Xenguy> brenner: ;-) [06:29] <brenner> benji: if it's any consolation, i'm getting 2.8 here too [06:29] <benji> ahh okay [06:29] <benji> weird [06:29] <srijith> chicken-man, /etc/init.d/telnetd start ? [06:29] <benji> I guess they didn't put up 5.04 in the repository yet? [06:29] <carajean> i think the flashplayer messed up firefox [06:29] <carajean> any site that had flash wont load and i have to create a new profile everytime [06:29] <chicken-man> srijith, that don't work [06:29] <GoClick> brenner I changed it with your file and got an error http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1580 [06:29] <brenner> those *are* the 5.04 repos ... [06:30] <benji> hmm [06:30] <srijith> chicken-man, what does it say? [06:30] <benji> so why is gnome 2.8? :) [06:30] <chicken-man> srijith, file or command not found [06:30] <malin> I tried to open an mp3 in rhythmbox and it told me that i don't have an mp3 plugin installed. Where can i find such plugin? [06:30] <mihai> can anybody join #kde ? [06:30] <brenner> GoClick: where'd you get the error? [06:30] <chicken-man> srijith, some thing like that [06:30] <kaha> chicken-man: then you don't have it installed [06:30] <srijith> chicken-man, and what about "which telnetd"? [06:30] <chicken-man> srijith, i do [06:30] <brenner> !tell malin about restricted [06:30] <chicken-man> srijith, ahhh [06:31] <benji> "In Hoary, qwe have GNOME 2.10.1" [06:31] <benji> we* [06:31] <GoClick> After I restarted Synaptic but then I closed it and restarted it again and I didn't get it, however it still can't find any packages with j2re in the name [06:31] <brenner> mihai: what for? #kubuntu might be useful [06:31] <carajean> ok guys is there another browser i can use cause firfox is foobared [06:31] <benji> !tell benji about restricted [06:31] <mihai> so i can ask kde related questions, but not specifically ubuntu [06:31] <chicken-man> srijith, hmmm telnetd works [06:31] <brenner> GoClick: reloaded? [06:31] <malin> thanks brenner [06:31] <chicken-man> srijith, but i cannot telnet to my own computer [06:31] <brenner> np [06:31] <brenner> benji: we do ... system > about gnome [06:32] <srijith> chicken-man, is telnetd running? [06:32] <GoClick> brenner yes [06:32] <srijith> chicken-man, ps aux |grep telnend [06:32] <chicken-man> srijith, it should be [06:32] <benji> system > about gnome? [06:32] <srijith> chicken-man, ps aux |grep telnetd [06:32] <GoClick> tang is much better when it's mixed double strong and left for 4 hours to mellow.... [06:32] <mihai> so why does it forward me to another channel when i join #kde ? [06:32] <GoClick> mihai because it's not an official channel (if it starts with ##) [06:32] <chicken-man> srijith, what does that do? [06:32] <brenner> GoClick: run sudo apt-get update [06:33] <srijith> it should show you if telnetd is running or not [06:33] <Belutz> mihai: maybe it needs you to register your nick first [06:33] <mihai> GoClick, no, that's not it, pls try to join it yourself and see [06:33] <chicken-man> srijith, i don't get any thing [06:33] <mihai> it doesn't say nothing about that [06:33] <srijith> chicken-man, then most probably it is not running [06:34] <Belutz> mihai: i just join #kde and it has +r for the channel attributes [06:34] <chicken-man> srijith, when i run telnetd it don't do any thing [06:34] <srijith> chicken-man, try telnetd -h or man telnetd [06:35] <kaha> chicken-man: apt-get install telnetd [06:35] <srijith> chicken-man, I don't have telnetd on any of my machines, so can't say for sure what could be going on.. [06:35] <srijith> kaha, he has telned [06:35] <srijith> s/telned/telnetd [06:35] <GoClick> brenner, ok I did the apt-get update but still synaptic can't find it [06:35] <kaha> hrm [06:36] <carajean> how to uninstall and then reinstall firefox??? [06:36] <brenner> GoClick: do you get the errors though? [06:36] <brenner> GoClick: you uncommented hoary-extras right? [06:36] <GoClick> No errors nothing [06:36] <BkE> hello [06:36] <spiral> hi [06:36] <GoClick> I wonder if my DNS is buggered? [06:36] <tristanmike> !NTFS [06:36] <brenner> carajean: easy way: synaptic, mark for reinstallation [06:37] <chicken-man> srijith, i use invoke-rc.d inetd start to start it but it fails [06:37] <srijith> chicken-man, with any particular error message? [06:37] <BkE> there was a page called "ihate640x480" at wiki, it told me how i can make that in console my resolution is 1024x768 instead of 640x480.. but that page is dead :'( does anyone know what it was to add in menu.lst ? vga= ... [06:37] <BkE> sorry for my bad englisch [06:37] <BkE> english [06:38] <brenner> GoClick: you uncommented hoary-extras right? [06:38] <chicken-man> srijith, nope just [fail] [06:38] <brenner> lol [06:38] <GoClick> brenner, no, although I did that just now and ran update again and got a whack of errors, I'll pastebin them [06:38] <chicken-man> srijith, restart works [06:38] <tristanmike> where do i find the documentation on why I shouldn't write to NTFS? [06:38] <brenner> BkE: 0x318 [06:38] <tristanmike> on the wiki preferably [06:39] <BkE> on, yes :) [06:39] <chicken-man> srijith, but still don't work [06:39] <srijith> chicken-man, that would mean telnetd is already running [06:39] <srijith> try stopping [06:39] <srijith> and then running [06:39] <GoClick> brenner, here are my errors http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1581 [06:39] <chicken-man> srijith, nope [06:39] <brenner> BkE: that's for 1024....you can also pass vga=ask to try different ones. there's a framebuffer table out there that has the hex codes for all resolutions [06:40] <brenner> GoClick: sec [06:40] <BkE> ok thnx [06:40] <kaha> brenner: and where should that be added? [06:40] <srijith> chicken-man, you are doing "sudo" right? [06:40] <chicken-man> srijith, i am logged in as root [06:41] <brenner> GoClick: i just enabled extras on my machine and i connected fine....looks like something to do on your end [06:41] <GoClick> That' [06:41] <kaha> brenner: I mean, to what file? /boot/grub/menu.lst? [06:41] <brenner> GoClick: i.e. i didn't get the 404s so the extras repo is definitely online [06:41] <srijith> chicken-man, does /var/log/kern.log say anything about telnetd? [06:41] <GoClick> That's pretty obviouse... heh [06:42] <reiki_work> ok I just find this interesting. I visited a#windows on Efnet where I was an opper for many years. And I talked about my recent experience with Ubuntu and how much I am enjoying it. And another opper there (who used to work for RedHat in Charlotte, NC, US) was telling me that he is very impressed with Ubuntu. The interesting thing is that nobody was like... "evil linux!" or that kind of baby... [06:42] <chicken-man> srijith, *checks* [06:42] <reiki_work> ...crap. Everyone is interested. It's just harder for some to get away from the software that RUNS on windows. [06:42] <Xappe> hello ppl. how do I get the update-notifier not to load at gnome startup? it's currently taking up 100% cpu and I don't want to remove it because of ubuntu-desktop [06:42] <brenner> kaha: ? i thought BkE was asking that [06:42] <brenner> GoClick: try again later maybe? sorry, dunno. [06:42] <kaha> brenner: he was, but I need to know also. :) [06:42] <carajean> please will some tell me how to uninstall firefox? [06:42] <GoClick> Ok [06:42] <brenner> kaha: did you want the options or hardcoded 1024? [06:43] <srijith> reiki_work, what is a guy from RH doing in #windows? [06:43] <srijith> :) [06:43] <GoClick> DNS resolution takes a REALLY long time on my Linux machine on the same connection as my Windows machine, any ideas? [06:43] <reiki_work> carajean: sudo apt-get remove mozilla-firefox ... I think that's it [06:43] <chicken-man> srijith, nope [06:43] <kaha> brenner: hardcoded 1024 sounds good. And I need a font that shows the arrows in mutt. [06:43] <carajean> thanks that worked [06:43] <Xof> does ubuntu provide a 64-bit userland on G5s? (basically, how many bits in "long"?) [06:43] <reiki_work> srijith: most of the old oppers on that channel do a LOT of different things [06:44] <GoClick> brenner what IP address do you get for public.plantmirror.com ? [06:44] <srijith> chicken-man, I am stumped.. havent used telnetd for some time now [06:44] <Sparky> hey [06:44] <srijith> reiki_work, :) [06:44] <Sparky> I have a very big problem with gtkpod [06:44] <chicken-man> srijith, how did you start it ? [06:44] <brenner> kaha: add vga=0x318 to the end of the kernel line for your ubuntu boot section in menu.lst [06:44] <Sparky> here is exactly what happened [06:44] <Sparky> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=316791#post316791 [06:44] <Sparky> that thread shows what happened [06:44] <srijith> chicken-man, star what? [06:44] <carajean> ok now what the apt-get command to install it? [06:44] <kaha> brenner: ah, thank you! [06:45] <Sparky> does anyone know how to fix that? [06:45] <chicken-man> srijith, telnetd [06:45] <carajean> flash player messed up firefox so im doin a remove and install [06:45] <brenner> kaha: dunno about mutt sorry [06:45] <Sparky> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=316791#post316791 can anybody help me? [06:45] <srijith> chicken-man, that was more than 2 yrs ago.. havent used it before that.. then I guess using init.d/telnetd [06:45] <phantom_> Anyone know how to add true type fonts???? [06:45] <brenner> GoClick: how do i get the ip address? *sheepish grin* [06:45] <reiki_work> carajean: you might also want to do a purge. Otherwise some user preferences may remain after the uninstall [06:45] <srijith> !fonts [06:45] <ubotu> it has been said that fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto [06:46] <carajean> ok how do i purge? [06:46] <phantom_> thanks [06:46] <Sparky> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=316791#post316791 [06:46] <Sparky> I tried to use my Ipod just a second ago with Gtkpod, but I get an error [06:46] <Sparky> and when I use the ipod, all the music is gone [06:46] <reiki_work> carajean: sudo apt-get purge mozilla-firefox I think... might want to verify that one [06:47] <GoClick> brenner nslookup public.plantmirror.com [06:47] <Sparky> can anybody help? [06:47] <brenner> 203.49.70.20 [06:47] <GoClick> Yeah that's totally not what I get [06:47] <carajean> reiki_work that didnt work [06:48] <brenner> GoClick: so that's bad? :) [06:48] <Jolla00> what is the default root password in ubuntu? [06:48] <_frank> !sudo [06:48] <ubotu> sudo is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [06:48] <Sparky> can anybody help me?? [06:48] <GoClick> No it means I have crummy GT DNS servers :P [06:48] <GoClick> Jolla00 there is no root user persay you need to use sudo for security reasons, when it asks for a password, put your password in [06:48] <carajean> ok now that i deleted firefox is there another default browser? [06:48] <Deep6> anyone have a rio mp3 player working in ubuntu? [06:48] <GoClick> carajean did you try and reinstall firefox? [06:48] <Deep6> more specifically the chiba? [06:49] <Sparky> canb anybody help me with this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=316791#post316791 [06:49] <Sparky> please? [06:49] <reiki_work> carajean: try apt-get --purge (2 minus signs in there) [06:49] <srijith> carajean, Opera? [06:49] <StR> Hi all [06:49] <carajean> ok i tried to install mozilla firefox but it said that it depended on firefox [06:49] <srijith> carajean, not sure if there are packages available, but should be [06:49] <StR> in aptitude? how do I do a remove --purge? [06:49] <brenner> man aptitude [06:50] <Sparky> canb anybody help me with this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=316791#post316791 [06:50] <brenner> purge might be an apt-get thing [06:50] <apokryphos> StR: it purges automatically [06:50] <reiki_work> carajean: it'd be sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox [06:50] <carajean> nvm mind guys my boyfriend is on his way over with windows [06:50] <brenner> Sparky: if anyone knows, they'll answer, searched the forums yet? [06:50] <Sparky> A little [06:51] <brenner> do more while you wait for an answer :) [06:51] <apokryphos> StR: hm, actually, I forget myself... there is a purge [06:51] <brenner> anyway bedtime for me [06:51] <xenomeliteforce> hi all. Does anyone know where to find the file usbvideo.h? I need it for "make"ing my webcam working (Trust Spacecam 120) [06:51] <Sypder_Man> google? [06:52] <xenomeliteforce> I installed the linux-headers (Hoary 5.4) [06:53] <srijith> xenomeliteforce, dont think it comes with the headers [06:53] <gnujach> hi Does anyone know change X resolution in 5.04 from console [06:53] <xenomeliteforce> srijith: Do you have an ideo where to get that file? I tried google but I didn't find anything for ubuntu :( [06:54] <srijith> xenomeliteforce, dont know offhand.. will try to find out and let u know if I find anything [06:54] <xenomeliteforce> srijith: Thank you very much :) [06:55] <tristanmike> Is anyone else having troubles with the forums?? [06:55] <Sypder_Man> xenomeliteforce , why would you want to change the resolution via console? [06:55] <srijith> if I am looking for codes on how the windowing system performs copy-paste where should I look for them? [06:55] <Sypder_Man> If you are in gnome right now [06:55] <srijith> in the X codes? [06:55] <Sypder_Man> ctrl + alt + (+) on the keypad [06:55] <Jolla00> GoClick, thanks [06:55] <Sypder_Man> Make sure you use the + on the keypad [06:56] <xenomeliteforce> Spyder: I didn't ask how to change the resolution in the console ;) [06:56] <xenomeliteforce> *Sypder [06:56] <Copland> is there any reason why xmms is locking up on me [06:57] <GoClick> How can I clearn DNS cache? [06:57] <Sypder_Man> xenomeliteforce, did that solve your problem? [06:57] <xenomeliteforce> Sypder: No. I want to get my webcam running :) My resolution is just fine [06:59] <Sypder_Man> :/ [06:59] <Sypder_Man> Rofl [06:59] <_frank> xenomeliteforce: check http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=usbvideo.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386 [06:59] <Copland> I got mp3 working on the other programs like rythmbox and totem but still xmms locks up every time i try playing an mp3 and yes i apt-get xmms-libmad plug [06:59] <Sypder_Man> I was talking to the wrong guy :/ [06:59] <_frank> xenomeliteforce: I have no idea if that helps though [06:59] <xenomeliteforce> _frank: Thanks! I'll try it [07:00] <mlopes> hi. which is the package that contains the codecs for mplayer? [07:00] <_frank> w32codecs [07:00] <bonggnu> hi, i cannot write a cdr with cdrecord, only works with cdrdao [07:01] <Bartimaeus> can anyone help: I made an html document and tried to save it in /var/www and it said error, cant save it there. ANyone know whats going on? [07:01] <mlopes> _frank.. it says it is not available.. am I missing a deb repository? [07:01] <fl> is there something nice and windowy for LVM? [07:01] <srijith> Bartimaeus, sudo [07:01] <Bartimaeus> do u just do it at a terminal? [07:01] <_frank> mlopes: its in hoary-extras and only for x86 [07:01] <mlopes> k [07:02] <mlopes> does hoary-extras come with sources.list? [07:02] <Copland> mlopes, I know that people like using apt-get but mplayer win32codcs can be downloaded from there website and extracted into the /usr/lib/win32 directory [07:02] <x_or> Can anyone help me get ruby 1.8.2 installed? I've downloaded and installed the source, but I cannot install gems since t requires yaml and zlib. Installing those with apt-get doesn't work since the repository is for 1.8.1 ruby. [07:03] <mlopes> Copland: didn't know it was so easy [07:03] <mlopes> if it is a matter for tar xvzf then i'll download it [07:03] <mlopes> but.. apt-get makes it easier to upgrade [07:03] <Copland> yeah there not real install but let me double check [07:03] <Sypder_Man> Well [07:04] <karczi> can anyone tell me the reason why sound is not work good in my kubuntu or if anyone knows - plz tell me the solution [07:04] <Copland> mlops just have to find where ubuntu did with mplayer [07:04] <mlopes> ok [07:04] <tristanmike> Can someone else please confirm that the forums are down please. [07:04] <Copland> a source install of mplayer put the win32 codec folder in usr/libs but i am not seeing it here [07:04] <mlopes> in the mean time.. _frank, what is the address of the hoary-extras? [07:04] <Copland> yeah just apt-get it [07:05] <_frank> !addingrepositories [07:05] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, _frank [07:05] <Davey|Work> tristanmike: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO - :/ [07:05] <nophix> karczi: you should describe your problem better [07:05] <tristanmike> lol [07:05] <karczi> nophix: i'm a newbie so i dont know how to describe it better :| [07:05] <_frank> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [07:06] <tristanmike> Davey, is that NOOOOO they're down, or NOOOO they're not down? [07:06] <xenomeliteforce> _frank: Hm, is didn't work :( I copied the usbvideo.h into the same directory of the file which wants to include the usbvideo.h, but it can't find it :( [07:06] <tristanmike> Davey, lol [07:06] <nophix> karczi: then it's _very_ hard to help you [07:06] <Bartimaeus> anyone: how do i sudo and save an html in /var/www? [07:06] <mlopes> deb http://pt.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-extras universe [07:06] <mlopes> isn't this right? [07:07] <xenomeliteforce> _frank: And when I'm performing a "make clean", the usbvideo.h gets deleted :-/ [07:07] <karczi> nophix: mmmm so what u need to know to help me? [07:07] <nophix> Bartimaeus: with your favoriteditor maybe? [07:07] <thespiritoftal> is there a way to resume a download I have started with wget? I have got disconnected :/ [07:07] <_frank> xenomeliteforce: I really got to go...sorry.. I don't know what to do [07:07] <nophix> karczi: is it working at all or in just some programs? [07:08] <landotter> thespiritoftal, "wget -c nameofdownload" [07:08] <tristanmike> Davey|Work, Was that no they're down or no I have a crappy ISP? lol [07:08] <Bartimaeus> some1 saidsomething about sudo -s -H, and then cp/mv [07:08] <xenomeliteforce> _frank: Ok. But thanks for your help! [07:08] <Davey|Work> tristanmike: they're down [07:08] <thespiritoftal> hmm and how can i learn the name of download?_ [07:08] <tristanmike> Davey|Work, NOOOOOOOOOO! [07:08] <tristanmike> Davey|Work, thanx [07:09] <karczi> nophix: not working al all :| [07:09] <landotter> thespiritoftal, scroll through your previous entries in the console with the up and down keys, then just add a "-c" to the command when you find the previous wge entry. [07:10] <nophix> karczi: search for sound on wiki.ubuntu.com and read some docs first [07:11] <thespiritoftal> landotter: so you say "wget -r -c <site name>" should work? [07:11] <gnujach> SyderMan: My Screen Not suport 1024 [07:11] <karczi> nophhix: that's what i'm doing now :] i'll try to get more specific information and then i'll try here again :P 10x anyway [07:11] <landotter> thespiritoftal, I'm not certain what the "-r" switch does, but "-c" simply continues a download. Make sure you're in the same directory as the file that you want to continue. :) [07:12] <thespiritoftal> -r belonged to the older command [07:12] <thespiritoftal> recursive [07:12] <Bartimaeus> all: How do you move a file in the command promt? [07:13] <landotter> "mv" [07:13] <Bartimaeus> ya, but what is the syntax [07:13] <apokryphos> Bartimaeus: man mv [07:13] <landotter> "man mv" [07:13] <landotter> jinx [07:13] <Bartimaeus> oh [07:13] <apokryphos> private jinx [07:13] <apokryphos> woo [07:14] <_frank> !basiccommands [07:14] <ubotu> _frank: Do they come in packets of five? [07:14] <apokryphos> _frank: the Wiki is good for some of that stuff [07:14] <apokryphos> Also worth checking is the Rute guide [07:14] <apokryphos> !rute [07:14] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, rute is a great guide for learning about Linux and is available at http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/ [07:15] <Bartimaeus> how do you move something in the terminal - DETAILS PLEASE!!!!! not just man mv [07:15] <thespiritoftal> landotter: it doesn't work cause what I was downloading wasn't a single file I was downloading an entire web-site [07:15] <thespiritoftal> is there another way maybe? [07:16] <apokryphos> Bartimaeus: the man page tells you *exactly* how to do it [07:17] <Bartimaeus> i know, except i dont understand a word of what it is saying!!!!!!!!!!! [07:17] <bretzel> Hello, Does someone using wine ? [07:17] <chillywilly> what do I thorugh in ~/.vnc/xstartup to start up a gnome session via VNC? [07:17] <NoUse> Bartimaeus you don't understand Source and Destination? [07:17] <chillywilly> hmmm, it stuck x-window-manager in there but that didn't start up gnome [07:17] <Bartimaeus> i get that, but not how to implement it [07:18] <apokryphos> mv [OPTION] ... SOURCE DEST [07:18] <ompaul> Bartimaeus, source where the file lives now - destination where it will live - mv foo /Desktop/. [07:18] <rob_p> Bartimaeus: try, "mv /path/to/file/filename /path/to/new/location/new_filename" It doesn't get much easier than that! [07:18] <NoUse> !mv [07:18] <ubotu> NoUse: I don't know, could you explain it? [07:18] <Bartimaeus> thankyou [07:18] <Bartimaeus> thats what i wanted [07:19] <Bartimaeus> someone to tell me *exactly* what to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [07:19] <apokryphos> Bartimaeus: erm, he told you nothing more than the man page tells you. Good practice to read :) [07:19] <NoUse> Bartimaeus yeah IRC is not an exercise in hand holding [07:19] <Bartimaeus> no, thats news to me [07:19] <apokryphos> Bartimaeus: you learn something new everyday :) [07:20] <apokryphos> the channels shouldn't be a substitute for the man pages or for Google [07:20] <Xappe> is www.ubuntuforums.org down? can't seem to reach it right now... [07:20] <Bartimaeus> hmm [07:20] <Bartimaeus> personally, i beg to differ [07:20] <thespiritoftal> who invented ubuntu? [07:20] <tristanmike> Xappe, yes the forums are quite down [07:20] <Xappe> ok [07:20] <apokryphos> thespiritoftal: Mark Shuttleworth, but it's based on Debian. [07:21] <lirio> do you speak spanish [07:21] <apokryphos> Bartimaeus: then your personal opinion is wrong :) [07:21] <tristanmike> apokryphos, damn, you got to it before me =) [07:21] <thespiritoftal> what are the basic differences with debian and ubuntu? [07:21] <Bartimaeus> apokryphos: actually, i just took a detailed look at the main page. It says nothing useful to someone who already knows nother [07:21] <apokryphos> Bartimaeus: then you should man man [07:22] <chicken-man> can some one see if my ssh server works 80.6.146.2 [07:22] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell thespiritoftal about debian [07:22] <tristanmike> I'd have to agree with Bartimaeus, the man pages are pretty cryptic [07:22] <Bartimaeus> thankyou [07:22] <NoUse> learning to understand man pages is one of the best things you can do to understanding linux [07:22] <apokryphos> Then you should learn to read them; it's not hard. [07:23] <thespiritoftal> man pages are so simple [07:23] <apokryphos> mv source destination is cryptic? Hm. [07:23] <tristanmike> absolutely, the point was for a person who knows nothing, they're cryptic [07:23] <tristanmike> it just takes time =) [07:23] <Bartimaeus> well, im 10, and ive had ubuntu on this computer for a grand total of 4 days [07:23] <chicken-man> can some one see if my ssh server works 80.6.146.2 please [07:23] <mihai> how can i tell apt-get to remove all direct backward dependencies of mozilla-firefox and redownload them from the repos ? [07:23] <sean_> wow breezy took my system down :( [07:23] <apokryphos> tristanmike: I completely disagree; mv source destination is anything but cryptic [07:23] <landotter> max@ubuntu:~$ man woman | No manual entry for woman [07:23] <JairunCaloth> I have to agree, man pages used to make me want to cry [07:24] <hardw1re> sean_: yeah breezy is still way too much in development to use to be honest [07:24] <hardw1re> stick to hoary [07:24] <sean_> hardw1re, i was trying to test it for bugs.. [07:24] <landotter> just upgraded to hoary from wary--it's the business. :) [07:24] <sean_> but it wont even load [07:24] <dooglus> would someone using 'breezy' please try installing and running 'sysv-rc-conf'. is it broken? [07:24] <hardw1re> yeah i used it the other day :| [07:24] <mihai> chicken-man, seems to work [07:24] <zer0`> root@ubuntu:/home/kev # man you\! | No manual entry for you! [07:24] <JairunCaloth> does anyone here use samba much? [07:24] <hardw1re> but i reinstalled to hoary lol [07:24] <tristanmike> apokryphos, it's the dots and brackets they use, confusing, was, kinda still is for me [07:24] <chicken-man> mihai, thanks :P [07:25] <sean_> but hoary runs great :p [07:25] <mihai> but i don't know the password :p [07:25] <chicken-man> mihai, heh :P [07:25] <hardw1re> (Kernel):[Linux 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic x86_64] [07:25] <Virtuall> ...hello everybody, need help. Installing Ubuntu over Fedora Core 3 (removed everything except /home and /root). Everything installed ok, but on boot it says 'Filesystem has unsopported feature enabled'. Anyone knows what feature it could be? [07:25] <sean_> aside from the one line u have to fix to get sound working, but i mean thats pretty bloody easy... remind me of mandrake [07:25] <apokryphos> tristanmike: ok, sure. All the more reason to get used to them, and *all* the more reason for me to recommend them [07:25] <JairunCaloth> when I try to connect to my computer from a windows box, it wants a user name and password, but I can't figure out what to put in [07:25] <apokryphos> tristanmike: no point having man pages as some type of gremlin for you, if you're using Linux [07:25] <thespiritoftal> here I am on the road again [07:25] <Virtuall> (FS type is ext3, and it mounts it as ext3) [07:26] <ompaul> !tell hardw1re about ask [07:26] <tristanmike> apokryphos, like I said, I absolutely agree, but they are kinda cryptic if you don't know anything, that's all [07:26] <hardw1re> ompaul: and the purpose of that was? :P [07:26] <Virtuall> ...anyone? :( [07:26] <mihai> ok so can anybody help me fix firefox ? i guess some libs from breezy broked it, how can i reemerge all its dpendencies from hoary [07:27] <tristanmike> apokryphos, I never said asking questions on the man pages wasn't helpful either ;) [07:27] <ThxGiving> hi! [07:27] <theblue> Hi all. [07:27] <theblue> If I order CDs from Shipit now, will they be Hoary or Breezy CDs? [07:27] <apokryphos> tristanmike: :) [07:27] <dooglus> is there a man page that explains that "[ ] " means "optional", "|" means "disjunction", "..." means "one or more times" and so on? [07:27] <ompaul> hardw1re, ask your specific question and maybe someone can help, but how hard your question is at this time nobody knows and therefore can't guage if they can reply correctly for you [07:28] <dooglus> ah - "man man" does just that. [07:28] <mihai> ok so can anybody help me fix firefox ? i guess some libs from breezy broked it, how can i reemerge all its dpendencies from hoary ? i've modified sources.list to the original, but i still get firefox 1.06 help ! [07:28] <ThxGiving> maybe someone can help me ;) [07:28] <Virtuall> hey... somebody just has to know what undocumented feature it's talking about [07:28] <ThxGiving> i try to install package "bootsplash" and "limewire-pro" [07:28] <Virtuall> :((( [07:28] <ThxGiving> but [07:29] <ThxGiving> those packages require a libc6 > 2.2.3.ds1-21 [07:29] <hardw1re> but i dont have a question [07:29] <hardw1re> im just a humble hoary user on an x86_64 system [07:29] <ThxGiving> and hoary has ver 2.2.2.ds1-20 [07:29] <mihai> Virtuall, probably ext3 extended attributes or something ? [07:29] <hardw1re> here to help other people [07:30] <Virtuall> mihai, i understand that, I don't get which ones exactly [07:30] <cycom> ThxGiving: so...go download 2.2.3 and install it by hand? [07:30] <ThxGiving> great idea [07:30] <mihai> Virtuall, you should ask in #fedora maybe, since it's more like a fedora issue ? [07:30] <ThxGiving> where can i find the ubuntu deb for this lib version? [07:30] <Virtuall> ok [07:30] <Hieronymus> Can somebody help me with dh_make? It gives this error message: "Source file is a bz2 but bzip2 or gzip not available at /usr/bin/dh_make line 409, <STDIN> line 1. [07:31] <mihai> ok so can anybody help me fix firefox ? i guess some libs from breezy broked it, how can i reemerge all its dpendencies from hoary ? i've modified sources.list to the original, but i still get firefox 1.06 help ! [07:31] <mihai> oops, re apt-get :) [07:31] <mihai> gentoo got to me [07:31] <theblue> Heh. [07:31] <hardw1re> :/ [07:31] <hardw1re> genpoo? [07:31] <hardw1re> :P [07:31] <mihai> zentoo [07:32] <mihai> i predict we will all be using gentoo in a few years [07:32] <theblue> Meh. [07:32] <tristanmike> what, it's not Ten-to, it's half past?? :s [07:32] <hardw1re> i predict, in a few years microsoft will finally give in and actually convert there system over to the linux way of life [07:33] <mihai> hardw1re, never :) [07:33] <tristanmike> i predict that windows will fall very hard and very fast [07:33] <mihai> never [07:33] <tristanmike> the bigger they are..... [07:33] <ompaul> tristanmike, however they will try to make linux illegal in the mean time [07:33] <mihai> because you always have human stupidity and ignorance [07:33] <theblue> I like tristanmike's idea better. [07:33] <reiki_work> windows isn't windows because of how good teh product is... it's where it is because of how well it was marketed [07:33] <theblue> And how stupid people are. [07:33] <tristanmike> ompaul, I'm afraid they might actually succeed at that [07:33] <theblue> Hi reiki! [07:33] <reiki_work> hi The Blue! :) [07:34] <reiki_work> I'm at work dude... so kinda in and out of here [07:34] <theblue> I noticed. [07:34] <reiki_work> oh yeah.... duh [07:34] <reiki_work> :) [07:34] <tristanmike> does anybody remember the first Steve Ballmer Windows commercial, "ONLY $99.00" [07:34] <theblue> :) [07:34] <theblue> OUCH. [07:34] <theblue> $99? [07:34] <tristanmike> lol [07:34] <reiki_work> tristanmike: how about Chicago! With Win32C [07:34] <theblue> I can get 20 Ubuntu CDs FOR FREE. [07:34] <ThxGiving> how stable is breezy? [07:34] <theblue> And all the software I want FOR FREE. [07:34] <mihai> ok so help me if you can,.. how can i re-emerge firefox's dependencies ? and where does apt keep it's downloaded packages [07:34] <tristanmike> rotfl [07:35] <tristanmike> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [07:35] <reiki_work> I still have a Chicago logo somewhere [07:35] <chicken-man> mihai. reinstall it ! [07:35] <ompaul> ThxGiving, not very, it will be great in octber [07:35] <reiki_work> :) [07:35] <theblue> Let's see, M$ rapes me and takes control of my PC, my rights, and my firstborn, and I'm PAYING THEM. [07:35] <theblue> For $99. [07:35] <ThxGiving> i mean.. are there any major problems in breezy? [07:35] <ThxGiving> like gcc4 transition incomplete [07:35] <tristanmike> Thank You Mr. Shuttleworth and the Ubuntu community [07:35] <ThxGiving> or many broken packages? [07:35] <reiki_work> theblue: yeah but when you want to RENEW your license... then it's another $200 [07:35] <theblue> Amen. [07:35] <theblue> DAMN. [07:36] <mihai> chicken-man, yeah i did apt-get remove mozilla-firefox apt-get install mozilla-firefox but it gets 1.06 instead of 1.02 which hoary has, because i've updated to breezy and then switched back [07:36] <mihai> oops, bad idea [07:36] <theblue> And $35 whenever you need help that's never helpful. [07:36] <ompaul> ThxGiving, on a day to day basis stuff changes and will continue to, so right this moment you could be okay and in five minutes who knows [07:36] <theblue> Here, I can just drop in, 24/7 and ask a question, and someone who knows about it is almost always here to help. [07:36] <dooglus> theblue: I've had no major problems with breezy in the last few months. [07:36] <theblue> And the wiki is also very useful. [07:36] <concept10> mihai, hoary has 1.06 now [07:36] <ThxGiving> ompaul: thanks [07:37] <theblue> dooglus: I'm just wondering if Shipit CDs ordered now are Breezys. [07:37] <ompaul> ThxGiving, that five minutes is really a full day long but that is how it is [07:37] <ThxGiving> ompaul: i need a newer libc6 because of dependencies.. [07:37] <ThxGiving> ompaul: thats why im asking [07:37] <thespiritoftal> ubuntu works so slow at my computer... but debian works really nice... this means it is not because of Ram or gnome... [07:37] <mihai> concept10, oh ok then.. but how can i fix it ? i have no text in web pages, just the pictures [07:37] <dooglus> theblue: I doubt it. breezy isn't released yet. [07:37] <mirak> hi [07:37] <thespiritoftal> can it be about screen settings maybe? [07:37] <theblue> dooglus: Nevermind. [07:37] <mirak> is there an easy way to upgrade a ubuntu 32bits tu ubuntu 64 ? [07:37] <concept10> mihai, my firefox: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050725 Firefox/1.0.4 (Ubuntu package 1.0.6) [07:37] <ompaul> ThxGiving, why not live with the latest and greatest stable, and then in October you can move forward [07:38] <tristanmike> if you even want to then, Hoary is so amazing [07:38] <concept10> mihai, try changing the font/color settings [07:38] <mirak> is it possible to do a dist-upgrade from ubuntu 32 to ubuntu 64 ? [07:38] <mihai> concept10, ok, but i want to fix it, i think one of the libs is broken or something, i don't know how to fix it [07:38] <Hieronymus> I fixed it myself already, had to rename the .tar.bz2 to .tar [07:38] <Hieronymus> thanks anyways [07:38] <mihai> concept10, it's not that, it just crashed and since then it's been like that, i can't even see the text on the menus, i'm blind [07:38] <robodex> forums are down? [07:39] <tristanmike> robodex, for some time now [07:39] <mig> Does anybody know if ubuntu/kubuntu runs in a IMac rev. A [07:39] <robodex> ah, k [07:39] <concept10> mihai, I still have a copy of the old firefox version if you want to try that package. [07:39] <theblue> mig: From what I've heard, (K)Ubuntu will only run in a G4 or G5 man. [07:39] <theblue> mig: mac. [07:39] <theblue> mig: The original iMac is a G3. [07:40] <ThxGiving> ompaul: thanks :) [07:40] <mihai> concept10, it's not the package, it's some of the libs, i want to reemerge the libs, but from the internet, not the local cache [07:40] <mihai> can i do that ? [07:41] <mig> thanks. I run yellow dog linux, but I want to go to other more open distros [07:41] <theblue> mig: No prob. [07:41] <mig> any recomendations on what distro for the IMac [07:41] <concept10> mihai, this isnt gentoo, but, you can remove firefox and try to reinstall. you may purge the install [07:41] <mirak> is it possible to do a dist-upgrade from ubuntu 32 to ubuntu 64 ? [07:42] <theblue> mig: From what I've heard, Debian might be able to. [07:42] <mihai> concept10, i already did that a few times [07:42] <theblue> mig: NetBSD, which isn't quite Linux, but is similiar, will probably run. [07:42] <mihai> concept10, it;s in the libs somewher [07:42] <lucas_vignoli> hi, folks, i'm having some trouble with sound on ubuntu, since i've intalled the kernel for k7, my sound isn't working anymore. It's an SI7012. Anyone could help me here please? [07:42] <_liquidfire> I want to install an external program but i need to compile it from the source its a tar archive [07:42] <mig> That was my second choice after ubuntu [07:42] <theblue> mig: You can always check out www.distrowatch.com to see what distros will run on your hardware. [07:42] <_liquidfire> and source is writtin in python [07:42] <tristanmike> mirak, I wouldn't think so, that's a pretty hefty change, mobo and processor, and most likely RAM, probably video, [07:43] <mig> thanks for the info man [07:43] <theblue> mig: No problem at all. [07:43] <theblue> mig: If you want anymore help, just /msg me. [07:43] <tristanmike> mirak, I wouldn't think you could do it for windows either though..... [07:43] <mirak> tristanmike: what ? [07:43] <tristanmike> mirak, os upgrade from 32 to 64 [07:43] <mirak> tristanmike: you know I have just changed cpu and processor [07:43] <mirak> tristanmike: I use the same ubuntu version [07:44] <mirak> tristanmike: mmm [07:44] <tristanmike> mirak, you mean the motherboar and processor [07:44] <mirak> lus graphic card [07:44] <mirak> yes [07:44] <mirak> :) [07:44] <mihai> anybody know how to start links in graphic mode ? [07:44] <lucas_vignoli> hi, folks, i'm having some trouble with sound on ubuntu, since i've intalled the kernel for k7, my sound isn't working anymore. It's an SI7012. I'm using Hoary. Anyone could help me here please? [07:44] <concept10> mihai, what do you get from dpkg -l | grep -i firefox [07:45] <tristanmike> mirak, I don't know, like I said, I just wouldn't think however, you could be pleasently suprised [07:45] <mihai> ii mozilla-firefox 1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla [07:45] <mihai> rc mozilla-firefox-gnome-support 1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1 Support for Gnome in Mozilla Firefox [07:45] <mihai> ii mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb 1.0.1lang20050411ubuntu1-0ubuntu1 Mozilla Firefox English language/region package [07:46] <jalagus> Is there some default root password or why didn't the install ask me to set it? (sorry for my bad english :P) [07:46] <ThxGiving> jalagus: [07:46] <lucas_vignoli> Anyone could help me please with my sound problem? [07:47] <ThxGiving> sudo passwd root [07:47] <ThxGiving> or use the expert installer (type expert at boot:) [07:47] <HappyFool> jalagus: ubuntu does not enable root by default; see link below for more info [07:47] <jalagus> Ok. Thanks. :) [07:47] <HappyFool> !sudo [07:47] <ubotu> sudo is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [07:47] <wiegehts> lucas_vignoli, don't ask to ask, just ask [07:47] <blight> wiegehts: do or do not, there is no try [07:48] <Bartimaeus> anyone: I hav an html file in my www folder, how do i make it so that ppl see the webpage, not the actual code? [07:48] <mihai> anybody know how to st art links in graphic mode? [07:48] <noob1> hello. 've got ndiswrapper problems. Using 5.04 hoary hedgehog [07:48] <HappyFool> Bartimaeus: if the filename ends in '.html', that should happen automatically [07:49] <concept10> mihai, I dont know how to fix your problem.. If I were you I would try the old firefox version. Or check your dependencies http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/web/mozilla-firefox [07:49] <Bartimaeus> it shows me the actual code, but im am getting at it through virtual server on my router (http://localhost/) Does that make a difference? [07:49] <lucas_vignoli> thanks for the tip. okay. i'm using hoary and when i installed the kernel images for k7 the sound stopped working, it's an SI7012, how can i fix it? [07:50] <lucas_vignoli> I have an Acer Aspire 3002 [07:50] <HappyFool> Bartimaeus: i wouldn't have thought using a router would make any difference. What is the name of the html file? [07:50] <Virtuall> ...and back from fedora guys. seems like ubuntu doesn't know the resize_inode feature [07:50] <Virtuall> "what now?" [07:50] <Bartimaeus> website.html [07:51] <Bartimaeus> at least, i named it website.html [07:51] <wiegehts> lucas_vignoli, either the sound module is not being loaded or is not there at all [07:51] <phantom_> anyone know if there is a way to play multirgion DVDs in Xine?? [07:51] <phantom_> I had remote selector in windows... [07:52] <Bartimaeus> HappyFool: the file has a "HTML" written on it when you look at it in nautolis [07:52] <jalagus> Hmm... Has this useraccount I created in install same privilidges as root? [07:52] <lucas_vignoli> i don't know how to view wich modules are loaded [07:52] <jrj_> Is there a simple way to migrate from a Debian testing install to Ubuntu ? [07:52] <wiegehts> lucas_vignoli, lsmod as root [07:52] <HappyFool> Bartimaeus: i ahve created a simple /var/www/website.html, and browsed to http://localhost/website.html, and i see the rendered (i.e., not source) html [07:53] <Bartimaeus> oh [07:53] <Bartimaeus> ill mmake sure its html [07:53] <wiegehts> jrj_, copy /home and install ubuntu, copy /home back over [07:53] <rob_p> Bartimaeus: Do a, "ls /var/www" and see if your document is listed with a, ".html" extension... [07:53] <jrj_> wiegehts: hehe - yep I tought so [07:54] <Bartimaeus> how do i change it if it isn't? [07:54] <rob_p> Bartimaeus: use mv [07:54] <jrj_> Getting pretty tired of broken Debian packages - even in testing [07:54] <Bartimaeus> kk [07:54] <Bartimaeus> ya, its only webpage [07:54] <lucas_vignoli> wiegehts: these are the snd prefixed modules loaded, snd_intel8x0 [07:54] <lucas_vignoli> snd_ac97_codec [07:54] <lucas_vignoli> snd_pcm_oss [07:54] <lucas_vignoli> snd_mixer_oss [07:54] <lucas_vignoli> snd_pcm [07:54] <lucas_vignoli> snd_timer [07:55] <Bartimaeus> tanks [07:55] <lucas_vignoli> snd [07:55] <lucas_vignoli> soundcore [07:55] <lucas_vignoli> snd_page_alloc [07:55] <HappyFool> lucas_vignoli: please don't paste here [07:55] <noob1> hello. 've got ndiswrapper problems. Using 5.04 hoary hedgehog and it says ndiswrapper : unknown fucntion [07:55] <lucas_vignoli> sorry [07:55] <_liquidfire> http://www.bittornado.com/download.html i have no clue howto install the tar archive [07:55] <_liquidfire> what command do i need to use [07:55] <lucas_vignoli> can i chat with you? [07:55] <_liquidfire> ? [07:55] <wiegehts> lucas_vignoli, sure [07:55] <HappyFool> noob1: have you read the ndiswrapper page on the wiki? [07:55] <rob_p> Bartimaeus: ok, so change it to something like, "index.html" or similar... [07:56] <rapha> Hi all! [07:56] <rapha> Are there .debs for bonjour? You can't really Google for it ... [07:56] <HappyFool> _liquidfire: i think bittornado is available in via repositories [07:56] <_liquidfire> k [07:56] <_liquidfire> but it would be great if you tell me how to do it in the future [07:56] <_liquidfire> or is there an howto? [07:56] <_liquidfire> *a [07:56] <Bartimaeus> it is now webpage.html, but when you click on the file in the index, it gives the source [07:57] <rob_p> Bartimaeus: Do this... rename it to, "index.html" and then visit, "http://localhost" and you should see it... [07:57] <Bartimaeus> thanks [07:58] <Boy> hi guys [07:58] <Boy> i was wondering if any of you could help me [07:58] <malin> hm, i installed quodlibet [from .tar.gz, there wasn't a packet in repository] and when i want to run it, nothing happens [07:58] <malin> am i doing something wrong? [07:58] <HappyFool> _liquidfire: it varies from app to app; usually, you download the .tar.gz file, extract it somewhere useful ( tar xjf filename.tar.bz2 -C ~/build/ ); then go to the src directory, and run './configure' or maybe 'python setup.py' (i think bittornado might be a python app) [07:58] <Bartimaeus> thanks a lot, that worked [07:59] <HappyFool> _liquidfire: typically there's a file called INSTALL or README or similar in the tarball telling you what to do [07:59] <_liquidfire> ah thanks [07:59] <Boy> whenever i try to compile anything it comes up with and error "configure: error: C compiler cannot make executables." [07:59] <_liquidfire> :) [07:59] <Boy> i have all the latest gcc's installed [08:00] <HappyFool> Boy: have you installed the build-essential package? [08:00] <rob_p> damn satellite connection :-(
paste.ubuntulinux.nl now does diffs too when posting corrections, see http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/f1579 for an example</spam> [08:01] <Boy> i dont know let me just check [08:01] <rob_p> Bartimaeus: Did that work? [08:01] <HappyFool> Seveas: cool. going to be including version control for pastes too? ;) [08:01] <Bartimaeus> yup [08:01] <Bartimaeus> thanks a lot [08:01] <Seveas> HappyFool, *g* [08:01] <rapha> Hello anybody? [08:01] <rob_p> Bartimaeus: Cool! [08:01] <Seveas> no, i'm gonna do syntax highlighting now [08:01] <rapha> Am I being received? [08:02] <Seveas> rapha, not really, there's a lot of noise in your signal :) [08:02] <Ben_P> rapha: indeed you are [08:02] <HappyFool> rapha: theren't aren't any bonjour debs in the ubuntu repositories that i can see; you can check on packages.ubuntu.com if you want [08:02] <bluefoxicy> oh god they broke rhythmbox in breezy [08:03] <sean_> breezy is broke :p it crashed my system [08:03] <iiiears> there is always xmms :/ [08:03] <rapha> Thanks Seveas, Ben_P, HappyFool! [08:03] <noob1> hello. 've got ndiswrapper problems. Using 5.04 hoary hedgehog and it says ndiswrapper : unknown fucntion [08:03] <rapha> :-) [08:03] <Seveas> noob1, install the ndiswrapper-utils package [08:03] <HappyFool> Seveas: i'm sure you have ideas how, but if it helps, i think viewcvs uses enscript [08:03] <rapha> HappyFool: Actually I've been trying to install libsipphone from http://www.gizmoproject.com/download/libsipphoneapi_0.78.20050817.1-1_i386.deb and it requires bonjour... [08:03] <g0su> hi all [08:04] <iiiears> hi [08:04] <Seveas> there's a PEAR class for syntax highlighting [08:04] <Seveas> just like for diffs [08:04] <g0su> one question please, the channel for ubuntu ppc? [08:04] <sean_> sure is :)0 [08:04] <Seveas> g0su, this one [08:05] <g0su> ok thx, i am not sure if the plataform ppc have a specific channel [08:05] <malin> I installed quodlibet [from .tar.gz, there wasn't a packet in repository] and when i want to run it, nothing happens [08:05] <malin> am i doing something wrong? [08:05] <Seveas> no it has not, we're all one big family :) [08:05] <GoClick> I uncommented the extras line in the sources.list file and ran sudo apt-get update and this was the result I got 404 errors, wget also gets 404 errors and firefox does not so I assume it's a redirect. Here is the result http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1583 [08:06] <hmrocha> hello [08:06] <hmrocha> i need some help [08:07] <lucas_vignoli> my sound stopped working since i've installed the k7 kernel image, and know... even when i boot from the i386 it doesn't work anymore. [08:07] <hmrocha> i'm mounting a directory with nfs [08:07] <hmrocha> but the mount takes a long time [08:07] <Seveas> GoClick, looks like publicmirror ditched hoary-extras... [08:07] <deacon> Greetings! [08:07] <rouven> hi. where do i get the nvidia-kernel-module for breezy? [08:07] <Seveas> delete it from your sources again [08:07] <hmrocha> it mounts the remote directory, but it takes a lot of time [08:07] <hmrocha> what might be happening? [08:07] <deacon> How is everybody today? [08:08] <GoClick> Seveas, so why didn't burner have a problem connecting, that said wouldn't everyone be hooped now AND how can we fix this? [08:08] <iiiears> nvidia-glx? [08:08] <GoClick> deacon, stressed, you? [08:08] <Seveas> hmrocha, I'm experiencing the same om my machines. I solved it at work on a cluster but forgot to copy the settings. PLease msg me tomorrow when I will have them [08:08] <deacon> Eh, could be better. I can't log into my ubuntu at all [08:08] <hmrocha> Seveas, i just tried running dmesg [08:08] <hey2k5> hello [08:08] <rouven> hmrocha: do you have the portmapper running? [08:09] <HappyFool> any suggestions for a simple embedded linux distribution? something sans all the usual services (cron, mail etc) -- i'm wondering if it's easiest just to build my own [08:09] <hmrocha> Seveas, i have some lines reporting "RPC: failed to contact portmap" [08:09] <Seveas> hmm [08:09] <rouven> nvidia-glx doesn't contain the module, neither does linux-restricted-modules. [08:09] <hmrocha> rouven, if ubuntu doesn't run it by default, i don't have it [08:09] <GoClick> HappyFool, will the embeded device have [Internet] work access? [08:09] <hmrocha> Seveas, maybe that's our problem, not running portmap [08:09] <Seveas> I'm running portmap [08:09] <rouven> then you have to install it yourself. [08:09] <hey2k5> can anyone tell me how I can get the "ndiswrapper-utils" package for warty? I have a wireless card, so I can't download "ndiswrapper-utils" via apt-get, i'm in windows. [08:09] <deacon> If anyone here familiar with the issue of: Cannot log into ubuntu under runlevel 5? I just get kicked back to the login screen. [08:09] <HappyFool> GoClick: err, some specialized network only (canbus, i think) [08:10] <Seveas> there's something icky: you really have to tune the parameters on the server [08:10] <g0su> mmm please one little question, for change the clock utc for local? i move the two service hardware clock too stop(SXXlll -> K20lll) and edit one link(ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Madrid /etc/localtime what it don't works(2h. different between ubuntu and mac ox) [08:10] <Seveas> and I copied them from the network admins at work ;) [08:10] <hey2k5> is there someway to know the address of a package, so I can download it without apt-get [08:10] <GoClick> HappyFool, you might want to just roll your own, there gentoo, it's a metadistro it's a good starting place if you can. [08:10] <apokryphos> hey2k5: packages.ubuntu.com [08:10] <lucas_vignoli> my sound stopped working since i've installed the k7 kernel image, and know... even when i boot from the i386 it doesn't work anymore. When i installed hoary it worked out of the box. My card is a SI7012. esdsink is the only sink that doesn't returns error, but alsasink and osssink returns error! [08:11] <HappyFool> GoClick: cool, thanks. [08:11] <GoClick> Seveas, So is there a way I can get extras if the plantmirror dumped them? [08:11] <apokryphos> hey2k5: though, you can use apt-get to download, and just tell it to not unpack/install [08:11] <Tadej> ok [08:11] <rouven> breezy uses nfs4, so you also have to pass the mount option nfsvers=3, if you want to access a nfs3 server. [08:11] <Tadej> uzivaj [08:11] <Tadej> sorry [08:11] <Seveas> GoClick, other urls can be found at backports.ubuntuforums.org [08:11] <apokryphos> Seveas: JRE pack was taken out of hoary-extras? [08:11] <rouven> nobody with a nvidia graphics board on breezy? [08:12] <HappyFool> lucas_vignoli: have you looked at the debugging sound page on the wiki? [08:12] <Seveas> apokryphos, is that so? [08:12] <apokryphos> rouven: many [08:12] <apokryphos> Seveas: yeah; been wondering why, but no worries. [08:12] <derFlo> hi [08:12] <Seveas> apokryphos, JRE/J2SDK can be found at seveas.ubuntulinux.nl too :) [08:12] <fl> did one of you you ever see boot issues with isolinux when using CD-RW as opposed to CD-R? [08:12] <rouven> apokryphos, do you run nv or nvidia? [08:12] <apokryphos> Seveas: excellent; I'll recommend that for now [08:12] <apokryphos> nvidia [08:12] <lucas_vignoli> HappyFool: i've looked into another wikipages related to sound, but not this noe [08:13] <Seveas> apokryphos, that thing is not online 24/7, so tell that too :) [08:13] <derFlo> i'm trying to make a multi boot DVD, putting ubuntu-install, ubuntu-live and debian-netinst on it using isolinux [08:13] <hey2k5> thanks apokryphos, am going through it, I found the package, would I be able to download the .deb package? i'm looking around, can find the .deb download link.. [08:13] <derFlo> my problem: all of them have a "pool" directory [08:13] <Seveas> derFlo, these dvds can be downloaded from ubuntu mirrors... [08:13] <deacon> I seem to be unable to log into my Ubuntu. When i try to log in it startts the login, then the screen flickers, then I get kicked back to the login page. Can anyone help me? [08:13] <g0su> Any know the option for change the UTC clock to local clock? [08:13] <rouven> apokryphos, how did you get the binary only module into your kernel, i.e., which package does contain the module? [08:13] <Seveas> derFlo, find one at wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive [08:13] <derFlo> can I use another dir, and if yes how [08:13] <lucas_vignoli> HappyFool: Shall i look at it and return here if the errors persists? [08:14] <derFlo> Seveas: also Debian? [08:14] <Crube> Are the ubuntu forums down? [08:14] <hardw1re> deacon: when u say kicked back, is that kicked back to a graphical or text screen? [08:14] <hmrocha> rouven, thanks very much, it worked great [08:14] <apokryphos> hey2k5: you can, yes. Choose to browse packages [08:14] <deacon> graphical [08:14] <hmrocha> rouven, i wasn't running portmapper :) [08:14] <derFlo> I also want to put Win (BartPE) on it [08:14] <hajiki> how can i disabled ipv6 from being used in networking [08:14] <rouven> hmrocha, you're welcome. [08:14] <lucas_vignoli> HappyFool: i thought that topic were for developers. [08:14] <apokryphos> rouven: I just used the nvidia-glx provided; works fine here [08:14] <derFlo> Saveas: I'll have a look, thx [08:15] <deacon> hardw1re: I just get dumped back to the graphical login [08:15] <apokryphos> rouven: might use the drivers from the site soon though; had some problems with composite [08:15] <Crube> Anyone else having trouble connecting to ubuntu forums? [08:15] <apokryphos> Crube: yes, they're down apparently [08:16] <rouven> apokryphos, how do you call the driver in xorg.conf [08:16] <fl> did someone here _ever_ use a CD-RW instead of a CD-R? [08:16] <Crube> Ok just wanted to make sure I'm not the only one thanks. [08:16] <JairunCaloth> I did one time.... [08:16] <hey2k5> apokrypho, I can only find files for download ending with *.gz @ http://packages.ubuntu.com/warty/misc/ndiswrapper-utils [08:16] <HappyFool> hmm. that was weird. either emacs crashed or i inadvertently switched desktops. [08:17] <mjr> hmh, where did gdm store the user's session and language choices? [08:17] <fl> JairunCaloth, and? [08:17] <apokryphos> rouven: easiest way is to use sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [08:17] <JairunCaloth> Honestly, I think CD-RW's are a big waste of time for the most part. Unless you do a backup like every day or something [08:17] <rob_p> deacon: Check your system logs and see if there are any clues in there. I suspect an authentication problem or similar but that's just a guess... [08:17] <apokryphos> hey2k5: you can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicks in IRC :) [08:17] <lucas_vignoli> HappyFool: i've certified myself lots of times if the mixer wasn't muted [08:17] <apokryphos> hey2k5: are you looking to download a .deb? [08:17] <JairunCaloth> You have to format a CD-RW when you want to re-write it [08:17] <JairunCaloth> I'd just rather burn a new CD-R [08:18] <fl> hmm. why "waste of time"? Because they are a compat nightmare? [08:18] <fl> I just hate it to blow a CD-R I know I only use once. [08:18] <HappyFool> lucas_vignoli: apologies; if you said much to me earlier, i'm afraid i probably missed it [08:18] <apokryphos> fl: they cost like 15p here :P [08:18] <Jhair> ls [08:18] <apokryphos> same price as a Lolipop [08:18] <hey2k5> oh apokryphos, i figured it out now. I had to click on the i386 link under Architecture to download the deb file. [08:18] <JairunCaloth> Fl, CD-r's are cheaper than rw's too [08:18] <fl> cost it not my problem. Wasting resources is. [08:18] <apokryphos> hey2k5: precisely, yes :) [08:19] <deacon> rob_p: That's just it. I CAN log into a terminal session. Just not normal Gnome or failsafe Gnome. They just dump me back to the login screen. It's almost as if I'm being logged immediately out as soon as I log in. [08:19] <HappyFool> lucas_vignoli: ok, so you're certain sound is not muted? And you don't here any sounds at all? [08:19] <apokryphos> fl: you should be more worried about the power stations kept running by the usage of your computer :) [08:19] <iiiears> fl - grab an external usb hard drive box. - gigs of portable storage from old otherwise useless drives. [08:19] <rob_p> deacon: go to the terminal and view your system logs... [08:19] <lucas_vignoli> HappyFool: don't worry, can i chat with you about something i think it is a bug an UI bug? [08:19] <JairunCaloth> I'm not saying don't use cd-rw's I"m just saying that I never bother with them [08:19] <JairunCaloth> Most of the stuff I put on CD's, I want it to stay on the CD [08:19] <hey2k5> thanks for your help, i found file ending with *.gz, so I was looking for one ending with *.deb, didn't realised i386 was linked, i thought it was only bold text [08:19] <JairunCaloth> So for me a CD-RW is impractical [08:20] <deacon> ok, how do I do that again? [08:20] <malin> is there any other Direct Connect client than dcgui? [08:20] <fl> apokryphos, go figure: the CD-Rs just started piling up so bad, that I use practically only CD-Rs now. I had about 200 CD-Rs lying around. [08:20] <tristanmike> fl, how do you catalog those [08:20] <rob_p> deacon: ... as in, ctrl-alt-f1 and then login at the prompt and view your logs... [08:20] <apokryphos> hey2k5: seriously though, the easiest way to get a .deb you want is to just sudo apt-get -d install {somepackage} [08:20] <deacon> yeah, ,I am in the terminal, i just don't know how to view the logs [08:21] <deacon> *embarrased* [08:21] <fl> tristanmike, the CD-Rs? By writing on the surface and letting the intern sift through the mess... [08:21] <rob_p> deacon: they are located in /var/log [08:21] <apokryphos> hey2k5: that will automatically download it to /var/cache/apt/archives [08:21] <iiiears> fl - lol - the same here folio's piled 2 feet high filled with hundreds of mp3 cd's [08:21] <apokryphos> hey2k5: ...but it won't do anything else; i.e. it won't unpack or install it. [08:21] <tristanmike> fl, lol [08:21] <rob_p> deacon: /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog are typical files of interest... [08:21] <JairunCaloth> Heh, I'm planning on numbering my CD-r's and building a searchable database I've got so many laying around [08:21] <rob_p> deacon: dmesg is good too! [08:21] <JairunCaloth> just do a search for the program/song I'm looking for, and it tells me what cd it's on [08:21] <tristanmike> fl, but seriously, do you know of any catalog programs for linux? [08:22] <fl> iiiears, sounds familiar. I found even the pile of RedHat 6.1 betas. Twentyish or so. [08:22] <iiiears> lol [08:22] <apokryphos> cheaper/better [08:22] <fl> tristanmike, no, sorry, I don't. My problem was that we usually used them once, and when the install went ok, the next beta rolled around. Never really needed to get them after that. [08:22] <deacon> ok, got it up (funny, gedit runs.) [08:22] <JairunCaloth> I still use CD's some times [08:23] <JairunCaloth> like to burn a cd I can listen to in my car [08:23] <JairunCaloth> or something else that dosn't need a whole DVD [08:23] <hey2k5> apokryphos, i would have done that, but you know I have a wireless card supported under windows only so am unable to have internet access in ubuntu, gotta install this ndiswrapper on there to make it work, so that's why I was asking for this package location to download it on windows, and then will go to linux to install it... [08:23] <fl> JairunCaloth, how backwards ;-) ipod your BMW! [08:23] <JairunCaloth> plus cd's burn 100 times faster than dvds [08:23] <deacon> weird. I'm getting errors: /homd/deacon is not owned by UID 1000 [08:23] <hey2k5> time to get back to linux [08:23] <tristanmike> fl, fair enough, I've been having a damn hard time trying to find one, kinda strange. [08:23] <JairunCaloth> I'm poor, [08:23] <apokryphos> hey2k5: I understand =) [08:23] <fl> the new BMW 1 even has an aux input [08:24] <sataere> Hey everyone, is there a way I could prevent Ubuntu from setting up the network when it starts up? I am using a cisco card to get online, but it tries to set up the network before loading the drivers. I have to manually C-c the network config, or else it would just stick there all day. I have no problem getting online at all, but the hang on startup is annoying. [08:24] <fl> JairunCaloth, ok, sorry. But you could use something like the iTrip [08:24] <fl> now that's cool. [08:24] <rob_p> deacon: what did you do prior to not being able to login properly? [08:24] <fl> and it beats having CDs [08:24] <robert_> is the forum down or something? [08:24] <JairunCaloth> nah, cd's work fine for me [08:24] <deacon> Tried to install cedega [08:24] <JairunCaloth> I'd rather have a mp3 cd player than an ipod anyways [08:25] <rouven> apokryphos, reconfiguring xserver-xorg is nice, but my system still lacks nvidia.ko. where did you get that from? [08:25] <JairunCaloth> I can bring all my music and listen to it all [08:25] <tristanmike> sataere, unplug your ethernet cord when installling?? [08:25] <deacon> and point2play [08:25] <rob_p> deacon: 'cause /home/deacon should be owned by deacon and in group deacon... [08:25] <apokryphos> rouven: did you install nvidia-glx? [08:25] <iiiears> ipod - hm. - suddenly car multi cd players sound quaint. - grin [08:25] <sataere> tristanmike, It's never been plugged in. [08:25] <JairunCaloth> instead of just what I can fit on an ipod [08:25] <GoClick> I've seen the wiki page on Java, I uncommended the line for the extras and planetmirror gave 404s, then I tried the ubuntuforums mirror and still can't find any packageswith j2re or sun- in the name [08:25] <JairunCaloth> How about a 10 cd changer that will play mp3 cds [08:25] <rouven> yes. i did. it only contains nvidi_drv.o, not the kernel driver. [08:25] <JairunCaloth> ipod = pwned [08:25] <apokryphos> rouven: I don't have nvidia.ko [08:25] <fl> coming back to the CD-R question: anyone ever had funny boot problems with CD-R? I'm pretty much prepared to blame it on the CDROM drive, _but_ the FC{1,2,3,4} and a host of others just worked fine... [08:26] <caliminus> how about a 10 dvd changer supporting mp3 [08:26] <tristanmike> sataere, oh, i see, sorry [08:26] <rouven> could you do sudo lsmod|grep nvidia? [08:26] <apokryphos> rouven: erm, no wait... I do. Hm. [08:26] <sataere> transgress, no prob [08:26] <sataere> tristanmike, no prob [08:26] <JairunCaloth> lol caliminus I see we are thinking along the same lines [08:26] <rob_p> deacon: That's why your X session is dumping you back to the login... your home directory is not accessible and can't be written to apparently... [08:26] <sataere> transgress, sorry :( [08:26] <JairunCaloth> oh dvd, nice [08:26] <caliminus> got like 1000 dvd [08:26] <JairunCaloth> that would be some major mp3 space [08:27] <apokryphos> rouven: nvidia 3711172 12 (among other lines) [08:27] <caliminus> 500 double side [08:27] <JairunCaloth> why won't this friken game work! [08:27] <apokryphos> rouven: nvidia.ko should come with your kernel [08:27] <kenny> hi guys [08:27] <apokryphos> rouven: linux-restricted-modules [08:27] <Seveas> hi kenny [08:27] <Flonne> sataere, I believe you can just remove the 'auto' line from /etc/network/interfaces, which should be what the network configuration utility under Gnome does when you deactive a card. [08:27] <kenny> i need help with a plugin [08:28] <fl> hmm. I just can't believe that noone ever uses CD-RW (any more). That's probably what Kernigham/Ritchie said when PHP came out... [08:28] <Seveas> plugin for what? [08:28] <sataere> Flonne, thanks I'll try that [08:28] <kenny> i need to find gstreamer-muse plugin but cant find it [08:28] <fl> or rather Larry Wall [08:28] <JairunCaloth> I own one CD-RW and I don't think it's ever been re writen [08:28] <kenny> hi seveas [08:28] <apokryphos> kenny: gstreamer0.8-musepack [08:28] <rouven> apokryphos, linux-restricted-modules only contains .o files, no .ko. [08:28] <ompaul> when given a url with a pdf how do I get it to open in firefox as opposed to wget http://www.foo.whatever/some.pdf [08:28] <kenny> yea thats what i need but i cant find it [08:28] <JairunCaloth> CD-r's are way cheaper than CD-RW's and they burn faster [08:29] <JairunCaloth> and they read in more stuff [08:29] <rouven> apokryphos, how am is upposed to load that driover? [08:29] <apokryphos> rouven: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_contents.pl?version=breezy&arch=i386&case=insensitive&word=nvidia.ko&searchmode=searchfiles [08:29] <kenny> i have 0.8.10 but it wont install [08:29] <fl> JairunCaloth, why do I get the feeling we turn in circles :-) [08:29] <sataere> Boy I miss rc-update [08:29] <kenny> i only have one song in mcp format and rhythembox dosnt play it [08:29] <HappyFool> ompaul: i think the acroread-plugin might be what you want (in multiverse) [08:29] <apokryphos> kenny: what's the error? [08:29] <fl> ok, have a nice day guys. gotta make the wife happy. [08:30] <Flonne> sataere, you'll get used to it soon enough. :) [08:30] <iiiears> fl - "Take out the trash"? - silly grin [08:30] <kenny> dependency problems prevent configuration of gstreamer0.8-musepack [08:30] <derFlo> ok, I have an idea [08:30] <rouven> apokryphos, argh! i'm running 2.6.12 (banging my head against the wall right now) [08:30] <Julia1> Anyone here have experience running anjuta? [08:30] <apokryphos> rouven: heh, I shoulda checked that first :P [08:30] <rouven> apokryphos, so let's downgrade. [08:30] <rouven> apokryphos, not your fault at all. [08:30] <kenny> what version do i need to install and were can i get it [08:31] <rouven> apokryphos, thanks for the massive help. [08:31] <ompaul> HappyFool, think I may have broken system eariler :( [08:31] <ZZco> fine [08:31] <HappyFool> ompaul: doh [08:31] <ompaul> HappyFool, I will get it in a little bit :) [08:31] <ZZco> if you don't get off my nickname [08:31] <ZZco> I'm killing you [08:31] <ZZco> lol [08:31] <kenny> guys? any suggestions [08:31] <apokryphos> rouven: there's problems with graphics drivers in breezy kernels, altogether, and moreso in ATI than nvidia :| [08:31] <kenny> iv tried looking at ubuntu forums but i think that is down [08:32] <rouven> apokryphos, does it run stable on yopur system? [08:32] <rouven> s/yopour/on your [08:32] <apokryphos> rouven: breezy? As of late, yes -- reasonably stable. [08:33] <rouven> apokryphos, the nvidia driver, to be exact. [08:33] <kenny> this is the version i have gstreamer0.8-musepack_0.8.10-1ubuntu7_i386 [08:33] <kenny> is that the correct one [08:33] <deacon> rob_p: ok, so how do I fix that [08:33] <apokryphos> kenny: that looks fine, yes. [08:33] <rob_p> deacon: Well, for starters, your home directory should be owned by you! [08:33] <apokryphos> kenny: could you paste.ubuntulinux.nl the error output? [08:33] <deacon> right. how do I fix that? [08:34] <kenny> k [08:34] <deacon> chown 1000 /home/deacon??? [08:34] <apokryphos> rouven: sorry -- yes, fairly. Though I'm still having problems with Composite [08:34] <rob_p> deacon: chown it as in, chown deacon.deacon /home/deacon [08:34] <deacon> right [08:34] <kenny> iv pasted it what do i do [08:35] <Julia1> No one worked with Anjuta? I've been seeing the same issue with it as with some other things I've tried to do. I get "Unable to load plugin /usr/local/lib/anjuta/*.so. Error: "GetDescr": /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: GetDescr" [08:35] <kenny> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d1585 [08:35] <rob_p> deacon: As far as I know, you should be able to do a recursive chown with the -R switch. I think that would be safe since all the files below /home/deacon should be owned by you... someone correct me if I'm wrong. [08:35] <HappyFool> Julia1: did you install using apt (synaptic, apt-get, etc.) ? [08:35] <kenny> can you see the error message apokryphos [08:35] <Julia1> apt. [08:36] <apokryphos> kenny: yup; one sec [08:36] <kenny> k [08:36] <Julia1> I also have installed the fgxrl ati drivers. [08:36] <deacon> Excellent! I'm in! [08:36] <deacon> thanks! [08:36] <kenny> i think i need 0.8 and not 0.8.10 [08:37] <rob_p> deacon: no prob. Have fun :-) [08:37] <apokryphos> kenny: hm, are you not using apt for this? [08:37] <Julia1> I get several error messages for various plugins in /usr/local/lib/anjuta [08:37] <jpfarias> hey people [08:37] <HappyFool> Julia1: i don't think the ati drivers make a difference. i don't use anjuta, but it surprising that it is looking in /usr/local [08:37] <kenny> iv tried apt but it dosnt have muse pack in it [08:37] <apokryphos> kenny: it doesn't actually seem to be in the hoary repos [08:38] <apokryphos> kenny: Yes, only in Breezy I guess [08:38] <kenny> so i used breezy, which i know is stupid [08:38] <jpfarias> is there any link on how to solve that bug java applets about libfontmanager.so? [08:38] <apokryphos> kenny: you're on breezy? :/ [08:38] <kenny> no im on horay [08:38] <hussam> Help, when I do locate something, I get /var/lib/slocate.db: permission denied [08:38] <kenny> lol [08:38] <kenny> I know its stupid [08:38] <apokryphos> kenny: but added the breezy repository? Or, just got the breezy pack? [08:38] <Julia1> these libs exist where it's looking. [08:39] <apokryphos> kenny: you will cause problems if you do that [08:39] <kenny> i just download the file [08:39] <kenny> yea i know thats why i didnt add breezy to apt [08:39] <kenny> i though it would be ok [08:40] <apokryphos> Thing is, without apt you'll likely get dependency hell (as you have). But if you really need it, then you should compile [08:40] <jpfarias> is there any links on how to solve that bug java applets about libfontmanager.so? [08:40] <apokryphos> kenny: what does it do? [08:40] <kenny> I dont really need it, i only have one song encoded in mpc [08:40] <kenny> what does what do? [08:41] <kenny> may i be able to convert the mpc to ogg [08:42] <paulproteus> Anyone here use Jabber? I'm trying to test my new Jabber ID, paulproteus@unstable.nl . It'd be great if someone would IM me so I know it's all working. [08:43] <malin> I installed quodlibet [from .tar.gz, there wasn't a packet in repository] and when i want to run it, nothing happens [08:43] <malin> am i doing something wrong? [08:43] <paulproteus> kenny: You should convert the MPC to FLAC and let that be that. [08:43] <paulproteus> malin: You should install it from Breezy. [08:43] <paulproteus> That's the easiest way. [08:43] <haakonn> paulproteus: i think you can add eliza@unstable.nl, it's a chat bot :) [08:43] <kenny> What do i need to convert it, muse-tools aint in apt either [08:43] <malin> can you tell me a bit more about breezy? [08:43] <kenny> i guess mplayer could do it [08:44] <iiiears> ubotu breezy is? [08:44] <ubotu> iiiears: Wish i knew [08:44] <iiiears> ubotu breezy [08:44] <ubotu> [breezy] the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/ [08:44] <paulproteus> haakonn: Okay, that's a start; I want to make sure inter-domain routing works, too, though. [08:44] <malin> hm [08:44] <paulproteus> malin: Go to packages.ubuntu.com, find quodlibet, and install the package from Breezy. [08:44] <poe-t> hi! did anyone successfully restricted FreWnn server to localhost only in ubuntu? [08:44] <paulproteus> It will probably require dependencies you don't have. [08:44] <paulproteus> That's okay, then use Synaptic or aptitude to install the dependencies. [08:45] <paulproteus> And then quodlibet should work fine. [08:45] <WindowsDependant> hello linux won't recognize my printer [08:45] <kenny> i have Musepack (MPC) format library can i use that [08:46] <poe-t> WindowsDependant, http://localhost:631 [08:46] <moire> hi [08:46] <WindowsDependant> can i just take all the files off of the cd and put them in my home dir? [08:46] <moire> is the packet gnome-audio corrupt? [08:46] <WindowsDependant> poe-t: what is that? [08:47] <adriyel> hi everyone [08:47] <WindowsDependant> can i get some help with my printer? [08:47] <WindowsDependant> should i use ndiswrapper? [08:47] <^guy27> i want to install ubuntu on an existing windows xp partition. The only way is to partition it by partition magic? [08:48] <WindowsDependant> yes if you have the entire drive being used by windows [08:48] <jpfarias> hello? is there any links on how to solve that bug java applets about libfontmanager.so? [08:48] <moire> guy27: no, you can change the partitions on startup of the install script :) [08:48] <^guy27> ic tought maybe there was another way [08:48] <adriyel> guy27, you can use qtparted to resize the NTFS partition [08:48] <adriyel> it will let you create room for Linux [08:49] <SAMU> can you resize an NTFS partition during the install process? [08:49] <adriyel> I don't think so, no [08:49] <adriyel> #ubuntu doesn't use qtparted [08:49] <adriyel> erm, ubuntu [08:49] <adriyel> lol [08:49] <poe-t> WindowsDependant, oh.. they moved it to System > Administer > Printing in gnome [08:49] <^guy27> ok understood [08:49] <WindowsDependant> poe-t: what about it? [08:49] <SAMU> is qtparted a windows program then? [08:49] <^guy27> so the only is by partition magic [08:50] <adriyel> ^guy27, no its not [08:50] <^guy27> the only way [08:50] <poe-t> WindowsDependant, setup your printer thru gnome configuration dialogue [08:50] <tristanmike> SAMU, are installing Hoary? [08:50] <WindowsDependant> poe-t: ok [08:50] <SAMU> tristanmike, im planning to put it on my laptop after i can backup all the necessary files [08:50] <WindowsDependant> poe-t: brb [08:51] <tristanmike> SAMU, on a PC laptop i assume [08:51] <iiiears> "Volume Control" toggle "Capture from audio device" - Where is the audio file saved? [08:51] <poe-t> WindowsDependant, up2date printing system is "cups". it has a huge database of printers. should be ok [08:51] <^guy27> i saw that qtparted is a partition magic clone [08:51] <SAMU> tristanmike: im gonna do a dualboot and i am gonna use my laptops winXP "recovery" discs to reinstall windows first [08:51] <jpfarias> hello? is there any links on how to solve that bug java applets about libfontmanager.so? [08:52] <tristanmike> SAMU, the Hoary installer does do resizing [08:52] <SAMU> im just not sure what options the recovery discs give you for setting the size of the partition [08:52] <dooglus> how can I set up iptables to allow me to mount an smbfs partition? [08:52] <dooglus> it seems to need a different port each time I do it. [08:52] <WindowsDependant> also is there any reason why my ubuntu freezes ALOT!? [08:52] <SAMU> i hear they reset your computer to the way it was when you got it. so i assume that means i will get a fresh XP install on a partition that fills the whole HD. [08:52] <iiiears> Can i use a command to tell what files are open? [08:53] <rob_p> dooglus: this implies that you are running some sort of a firewall then? [08:53] <dooglus> rob_p: Linux has a built in firewall [08:53] <SAMU> but what i want to do is install windows on a smaller partition. and give the rest to ubuntu. [08:53] <dooglus> rob_p: iptables is built into the kernel [08:53] <tristanmike> SAMU, i don't have a laptop and have never delt with recovery disks, so I'm not sure, but the install does do partitioning if you wish [08:53] <WindowsDependant> do u have anything important on ur windows partition right now? [08:54] <WindowsDependant> what kind of a windows cd do u have? recovery cds or an actual windows xp cd [08:54] <rob_p> dooglus: Well, it has a tool (iptables) that is used for configuring the kernel's ability to filter packets, but by default there are no rules specified... [08:54] <tristanmike> SAMU, i'll be interested in finding out your answer too because a laptop is my near future and this is actually one of the things that I was curious about. [08:54] <SAMU> tristanmike, but if i have a 60GB HD and the XP partition is taking up the whole HD. can i resize that partition through the ubuntu installer. cant remember what options i got for partitionin when i installed on my desktop PC. [08:54] <dooglus> rob_p: is it possible to specify a rule to allow me to mount smbfs shares? [08:55] <iiiears> SAMU - Some have had great luck sharing a hard drive with windows. - installing ubuntu to a second drive seems better. no problems later when windows needs to be reinstalled [08:55] <dooglus> rob_p: I already specified a rule to drop all incoming packets, but I want to be able to mount smb shares [08:55] <SAMU> tristanmike, remember to ask me in the future then. I am just waiting for my DVD burner so i can backup what i need from this HD first. [08:55] <rob_p> dooglus: This means that unless you specifically set the policies and/or specified any rules to disallow, then there is no packet filtering going on. [08:55] <SAMU> iiiears, yeah, but i only have on disk on this laptop. i have a dualboot on two drives on my desktop which works very nicely already. [08:55] <tristanmike> SAMU, yes, you can resize with the Hoary installer, just be sure to scandisk/defrag first. As to the "recovery disks" I assume have been provide by the manufacturer, I've never seen one, so I don't know [08:55] <rob_p> dooglus: Oh, that explains it. [08:56] <jpfarias> hey, guys, is there any links on how to solve that bug java applets about libfontmanager.so? [08:56] <WindowsDependant> SAMU: who are the cds from hp? [08:56] <josch> hi [08:56] <SAMU> its the ones i got with my acer travelmate 430 [08:56] <WindowsDependant> also what kind of mice do u guys have in here that work well with ubuntu? [08:56] <josch> is there a german channel? [08:56] <rob_p> dooglus: Ok, the information you need is that windows networking uses ports 137-139 and port 445. [08:56] <SAMU> i think they are supposed to prevent you from installing windows on any PC. [08:56] <darkheart> !de [08:56] <ubotu> hmm... de is #ubuntu-de bitte. [08:56] <josch> tnx [08:57] <f_newton> quick question... is there a place to see what the upcoming apps to be included in breezy are? [08:57] <josch> hatte _de [08:57] <Nevado> anyone having trouble getting on the ubuntu forums? [08:57] <WindowsDependant> anybody that is using ubuntu what kind of mouse do u have?\ [08:57] <WindowsDependant> and is it possible to use a serial mouse in ubuntu? [08:57] <dooglus> rob_p: I see an incoming connection on port 33288. [08:58] <dooglus> rob_p: this morning it was on port 33546. [08:58] <dooglus> rob_p: it seems to keep changing. [08:58] <Tripp> Hey, i'm new to linux, does anyone know how to install pengaol, aka penggy? [08:58] <tristanmike> *cough*microsoft*cough* optical mouse [08:58] <asfra> hi, I'm really hoping someone can give me a tips here :) I've just installed ubuntu on a machine I can't connect to the wireless network here. I therefor want to connect it to another machine which is connected to the internet so I can download some packages. How do I do this the easiest way? [08:58] <benkong2> ubotu, why does ndiswrapper fail after a kernel upgrade? I have an AMD64 running 386 and wanted to use the k7 kernel but qemu and ndiswrapper went wild and the machine freezes when trying to display the desktop. [08:58] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, benkong2 [08:58] <f_newton> asfra what wifi card are you using? [08:58] <tristanmike> Nevado, forums are down [08:58] <cavediver> Hi. How can I resize images within AbiWord? I can't drag it like is ms word... [08:59] <benkong2> ubotu, ok [08:59] <ubotu> Not a clue, benkong2 [08:59] <rob_p> dooglus: That doesn't seem to correspond with anything I've ever seen relating to windows networking traffic... [08:59] <f_newton> benkong2, every kernel is specific... you will have to reinstall ndiswrapper [09:00] <malin> how do i install a .deb file i downloaded? [09:00] <f_newton> dooglus that seems more to do with illegal traffic [09:00] <f_newton> dpkg -i [09:00] <f_newton> malin [09:00] <asfra> f_newton: my wifi-card is working just fine on one machine. But I don't have a wifi-card on the other so I've connected them throught a cabel and want the machine without the wifi-card to connect to the internet througt the other... if you understand :) [09:00] <benkong2> f_newton, that would be good but I can't get to the desktop...guess I could log in to a terminal and try to reinstall [09:00] <Tripp> Anyone know how to install pengaol, anyone? [09:00] <malin> thanks f_newton [09:01] <f_newton> asfra... if you use a cat5 or 6 cable to connect to another machine directly without the use of a router you need a special patch cable [09:01] <ompaul> benkong2, ubotu is the channel bot [09:01] <WindowsDependant> can i use my microsoft serial mouse or does it have to be usb for linux? [09:01] <ompaul> !ubotu [09:01] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/ [09:01] <benkong2> ompaul, oops!! thanks [09:01] <f_newton> yer welcome malin [09:02] <WindowsDependant> is everyone here using a usb optical mouse? [09:02] <benkong2> I use a wireless optical [09:02] <WindowsDependant> poe-t: thanks it worked [09:02] <rob_p> dooglus: brb... gotta go get my food :-) [09:02] <malin> paulproteus, imo it doesnt make sense installing quodlibet from breezy because it's older version than the one i tried installing from .tar.gz [09:02] <GoClick> I've seen the wiki page on Java, I uncommended the line for the extras and planetmirror gave 404s, then I tried the ubuntuforums mirror and still can't find any packageswith j2re or sun- in the name [09:03] <ompaul> ben_d, hardwiring to a network card System - Administration - Networking might just be what you are looking at [09:03] <WindowsDependant> does it have to be wireless or usb? [09:03] <poe-t> WindowsDependant, welcome ;-) [09:03] <ompaul> ben_d, sorry wrong spy [09:03] <WindowsDependant> i can't get my serial mouse to work [09:03] <ompaul> benkong2, , hardwiring to a network card System - Administration - Networking might just be what you are looking for [09:03] <Rockett18> !get java on i386 [09:03] <ubotu> rumour has it, get java on i386 is 'wget -c http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb', then 'sudo dpkg -i sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb' [09:03] <f_newton> I am just looking for a package list for breezy [09:03] <f_newton> ... [09:03] <asfra> f_newton: my cabel says cat5 patched, does that work? I have others as well, haven't looke at the yet [09:04] <WindowsDependant> i just got a compaq optical and i think it causes ubuntu to lock up alot [09:04] <WindowsDependant> i keep hearing that annoying tone it makes all the time until it is unlocked [09:04] <f_newton> asfra I forget which pins need to be switched but you cannot just plug two nics together [09:04] <f_newton> use a router [09:05] <benkong2> ompaul, ??? wlan in linux has given me problems on this laptop. ex. in the office i can make it work by manual config. then when i go home still have to manual config for home. [09:05] <ompaul> WindowsDependant, if it did not before and it does now most likely it is a hardware issue - maybe click on system - preferences - mouse might help [09:05] <WindowsDependant> ok i'll check [09:05] <benkong2> I used the unoffical hoary cd and got java [09:06] <poe-t> is there any # for Japanese users of ubuntu ? [09:06] <asfra> f_newton: cables that work to connect to computers in windows will work in ubuntu as well, right? Assuming I have a calbe that work, what do I do then? both machines run ubuntu [09:06] <benkong2> WindowsDependant, I have a logitech cordless optical mouse and it works flawlessly [09:07] <benkong2> WindowsDependant, has 2 parts the optical mouse and the usd transmitter or reciever [09:07] <HappyFool> poe-t: doesn't look like it (it would probably be #ubuntu-jp if there were one) [09:07] <darkheart> HappyFool I think it would be ja actually =) [09:07] <ompaul> benkong2, I read that as how to connect to another computer without wireless as it did not work, I am sorry to have to say I know very little about wireless at this time [09:07] <HappyFool> darkheart: doh! [09:07] <ompaul> !wireless [09:07] <ubotu> it has been said that wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards [09:07] <Tripp> Ok, I just installed Ubuntu on my laptop and it rusn perfect, but the only internet connection I have is aol. In order to use that connection I have to install a program called pengaol, because linux does'nt use the same dialup settings or something. Does anyone know how to install pengaol? [09:07] <GoClick> Rockett18, I've tried to install Java per the instruction on the site, HOWEVER Synaptic can't find the packages [09:08] <Nevado> forums are back up now [09:08] <ompaul> benkong2, maybe that link by ubotu might help [09:08] <ray_> sudo apt-get install pengaol [09:08] <benkong2> ompaul, ok. The problem for me is moving from one wireless AP to another. checking the ubotu link now. :-) [09:08] <Tripp> I tried that last night from another guy, but he had to go to work, and it did'nt work. [09:09] <WindowsDependant> benkong2: so do u think i should go wireless? [09:09] <WindowsDependant> !pengaol [09:09] <ubotu> WindowsDependant: I don't know [09:10] <benkong2> WindowsDependant, that is a personal decision. I have an HP zv5000 AMD 64 3200+ laptop and it works for me just that one hassle. [09:10] <benkong2> However I am trying to write a script that handles it for me. Since I know all of the essid, passpharses etc. [09:10] <WindowsDependant> well i think my new mouse is causing problems b/c it locks up a lot with it [09:10] <ompaul> Tripp, that might be 'sudo apt-get install penggy' I found it by using the command 'apt-cache search aol' and it looks like the best candidate [09:10] <WindowsDependant> benkong2: can i use a serial mouse? [09:11] <benkong2> If your machine supports it. probably hard to find one [09:11] <ompaul> WindowsDependant, you should have no problems using a serial mouse [09:11] <WindowsDependant> well i do [09:11] <olivier__> bonjour a tous [09:11] <WindowsDependant> linux won't move the mouse [09:11] <WindowsDependant> it stays in the center of the screen [09:11] <zenlunatic> should any usb flash based mp3 player work in ubuntu? [09:11] <Belutz> ompaul: is it possible to create a custom install cd of ubuntu? [09:11] <ompaul> olivier__, pour vous, #ubuntu-fr here is english [09:12] <ompaul> Belutz, I believe that it is, have a look at the guys on the beatrix project [09:12] <Belutz> ompaul: do you have an url? [09:13] <ompaul> Belutz, it is here http://www.watsky.net/ <--- rather nice very small and what turned me onto ubuntu in the first place :) [09:13] <Belutz> ompaul: thx a lot :) [09:13] <ompaul> Belutz, enjoy [09:13] <h08817> is python beneficial to know? [09:14] <h08817> or should u just learn c++ [09:14] <paulproteus> h08817: Yes. :) [09:14] <paulproteus> Python. [09:14] <ompaul> h08817, it is if you want to learn to program, I seem to remember this conversation the other evening [09:14] <h08817> www.python.org for tuts? [09:14] <ompaul> yes [09:14] <h08817> ompaul: lol yes i wanna learn [09:15] <h08817> i am just now choosing python for the language i wanna start with [09:15] <asfra> Can someone help me connect one computer to the internet throught another?? thanks [09:15] <asfra> both running ubuntu.. [09:15] <h08817> explain what u have as far as how u are connecting them [09:15] <ompaul> h08817, have a look at the names of the online materials that are pointed to in the channel #python [09:16] <h08817> wow there are really tons of channels on this server [09:16] <barongas> asfra: What like file transfer? [09:16] <kenny> srry im back [09:16] <ompaul> asfra, a crossover cable for one to go to the other network card to network card is one option - two of them attached to a router / hub /switch with standard networking cables is another possible way [09:17] <kenny> i have Musepack (MPC) format library can i use that to convert mpc to ogg [09:17] <asfra> barongas: I've just installed ubuntu on one of them, and I need additional packages.. the packages are on the other computer so perhaps I don't need internet? can apt fix this? [09:18] <ray_> anybody connect to aol in here [09:18] <asfra> ompaul: cant I just connect them directly together.. I have to cables, I think atleas on of them is crossed [09:19] <zenlunatic> anyone use an ipod shuffle in ubuntu? [09:20] <ompaul> ray_ 'sudo apt-get install penggy' may help you a lot with that aol stuff [09:20] <PhoenixDPI> zenlunatic: not under ubuntu bu another debian [09:20] <PhoenixDPI> whats the prob? [09:21] <zenlunatic> PhoenixDPI: well im in the markey for a flash mp3 player and i want to know do they all work in linux or what [09:21] <ompaul> asfra, if you have a crossover cable you need to enable the ethernet cards and then use scp to get the .deb files from one to another [09:21] <ray_> ompaul: thank you...im on cable but trying to help someone [09:21] <ompaul> ray_, well then that may help them :) [09:21] <PhoenixDPI> zenlunatic: the shuffle works fine for me since it's supported by gtkpod [09:22] <ray_> ompaul: i bet it will ..he was trying to compile the source of that file....except it was called peng and when i searched the repos for it i couldnt find it [09:22] <zenlunatic> PhoenixDPI: i think ill get one with ogg support though [09:22] <asfra> ompaul: yeah, thanks! what is scp? [09:23] <ompaul> ray_ apt-cache search aol is they way forward there :) [09:23] <ray_> thanks [09:23] <ompaul> asfra, secure copy [09:23] <PhoenixDPI> zenlunatic: well, why not [09:23] <zenlunatic> PhoenixDPI: if only they had mpc support [09:24] <ompaul> asfra, you may find this url useful http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/help/tutorials/scp/ [09:24] <PhoenixDPI> zenlunatic: your on a special model or brand? [09:24] <zenlunatic> PhoenixDPI: the iaudio u2 looks nice [09:24] <barongas> Any package that supports windows media files? [09:25] <Rockett18> w32codecs is on backports [09:25] <zenlunatic> barongas: not vlc [09:25] <sorush20> guys what program do I use to get CPU temperature and speed [09:25] <barongas> Cool thanks [09:25] <ompaul> are we going to get colony 4 ? [09:25] <PhoenixDPI> zenlunatic: for me the creative zen series sounds nice [09:26] <zenlunatic> sorush20: i think there is some command line stuff but also gkrellm [09:26] <Deep6> how is breezy ...is it installable yet? [09:26] <Deep6> I have no idea what state it is in.. [09:26] <Brad_c> server irc.ballistixnet.com [09:26] <tristanmike> Deep6, .....installable but still broken [09:26] <Brad_c> oops [09:26] <ray_> ompaul: is there a gui he could use? [09:26] <ompaul> ray_, no idea [09:26] <infernall> Anyone else experiencing lockups with the nvidia drivers? [09:27] <infernall> I am stuck using the gpl nv driver, which doesnt support dual displays [09:27] <kevman> Hey, whever I do a apt-get update, I am getting this error at the end: [09:27] <kevman> Oh, wait. nvm. [09:27] <poe-t> kevman, wjar kind of error? [09:27] <ompaul> ray_, suggest searches with the following text in them on google and then ferret out what you need penggy gui ubuntu debian and see what falls out of the sky :) [09:27] <poe-t> oh [09:28] <Deep6> tristanmike, what is brokenish? [09:28] <kevman> I'm trying to use apt to upgrade from Warty to Hoary, but some packages seem to be 404... [09:28] <apokryphos> !upgrade [09:28] <ubotu> it has been said that upgrade is "One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" [09:29] <tristanmike> Deep6, still alot of bugs, but apparently it's installable [09:29] <Deep6> hrmm I might have to try it this evening [09:29] <tristanmike> Deep6, I'm just gonna wait till october [09:29] <h08817> can linux extract .zip files? [09:29] <ntoll> h08817, yes [09:29] <kevman> Well, I did all that, but some packages are missing from the servers. [09:29] <ntoll> unzip [09:29] <h08817> what command? [09:30] <ntoll> see above [09:30] <h08817> or can i just use the archive manager? [09:30] <apokryphos> Breezy is fairly stable at the moment [09:30] <kevman> "Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org-dictionaries/myspell-en-gb_20030813-3ubuntu1_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] " [09:30] <h08817> ok thanks [09:30] <apokryphos> kevman: make sure you sudo apt-get update first [09:30] <poe-t> kevman, server down. so? [09:30] <apokryphos> poe-t: the server is not down [09:31] <kevman> Well, why the hell are needed packages missing? [09:31] <kevman> I did do apt-get update. 3 times. [09:31] <apokryphos> kevman: who said they were? The names could've changed [09:31] <kevman> Well, then, how do I tell that to apt? [09:32] <kevman> I would think apt-get update would fix that. [09:32] <apokryphos> apt-get update *should*, in theory, resolve that [09:32] <apokryphos> are you doing dist-upgrade? [09:32] <kevman> Yes. [09:33] <apokryphos> kevman: are you getting that for many packages or only for that one? [09:33] <kevman> apokryphos, total of 2. [09:33] <jedistar> I think I might have accidently deleted the pane that programs minize to... for example before If i minimized firefox it will be visible on the bar... now it just disapears [09:33] <apokryphos> it might be worth installing those manually then, for now. In theory it should all go smoothly [09:34] <kevman> That and... http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org-dictionaries/myspell-en-gb_20030813-3ubuntu1_all.deb [09:34] <kevman> apokryphos, how does one install packages manually? [09:34] <jedistar> anyone know how can I get it back? [09:34] <apokryphos> kevman: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org-dictionaries/ [09:35] <apokryphos> kevman: actually, the best way is to get it from packages.ubuntu.com [09:35] <Xappe> jedistar: the applet is called window-list [09:36] <kevman> apokryphos, what do I do? Or where do I go for instruction? [09:36] <eliphas_> what can make some sites I can't open them ? [09:36] <eliphas_> like google [09:37] <apokryphos> kevman: go there and go to Browse... Hoary. Your stuff would be under Text Processing [09:37] <guessing> I am having trouble while installing nvidia drivers [09:38] <guessing> somebody can help me? [09:38] <apokryphos> kevman: i.e. your first one: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/text/myspell-en-gb [09:38] <simonvallore_> hello [09:38] <apokryphos> guessing: state the problem, and maybe someone can help [09:38] <simonvallore_> how do i stick a file into my root directory [09:39] <apokryphos> simonvallore_: you'll need root permissions [09:39] <apokryphos> so sudo [09:39] <simonvallore_> ok [09:39] <guessing> It couldn't find the precompiled kernel? [09:39] <simonvallore_> im in root consol [09:39] <guessing> It couldn't find the precompiled kernel! [09:40] <ompaul> !tell guessing about nvidia [09:40] <jebem> how can i find my packages with synaptic when they are in the desktop? [09:40] <Benjamin_L> sorry if this has been asked a thound times, but is there an esay way to get themes back in latest breezy ? [09:40] <kevman> apokryphos, once I get the .debs, what do I do with them? [09:41] <apokryphos> kevman: sudo dpkg -i {package} [09:41] <simonvallore_> how do i stick a file into my root directory [09:41] <thespiritoftal> anyone who can help me?my ubuntu works so slow..I thought maybe it was because of gnome and my ram but I installed debian with gnome.. it worked just fine.. can someone guess why it is? may the screen settings cause that? [09:41] <priest> is the nforce 3 chipet well supported in the linux kernel? like sata and lan? [09:41] <apokryphos> simonvallore_: sudo mv /some/location/somefile /. [09:41] <benkong2> how do I get sources for the 2.6.10-k7 kernel only image and headers available in synaptic? [09:42] <Benjamin_L> does anyone experience problems with themes in latest breezy ? [09:43] <uthini> benkong2, sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 [09:43] <benkong2> uthini, thanks [09:43] <uthini> np [09:45] <kevman> apt-get happily contunies.... [09:46] <reiki_work> ok... I'm *convinced* now that most of the kids AND their parents that are starting college this week are a pack of idiots and I have no idea how such clueless morons got accepted [09:46] <reiki_work> :) [09:46] <jpfarias> hey people [09:46] <guessing> ubotu, please send me the link again, I closed the window by mistake [09:46] <ubotu> guessing: I don't know, could you explain it? [09:46] <jpfarias> how do I downgrade a package to a previous version? [09:47] <Rockett18> guessing> is a bot [09:47] <Rockett18> ubotu^ [09:47] <zevets> hi, I need the kernel source so I can install the nvidia drivers? [09:47] <Ex-Cyber> !tell guessing about nvidia [09:47] <guessing> didn't you send my some links about nvidia drivers? [09:47] <zevets> where can I get it? [09:47] <guessing> ubotu, ty [09:47] <ubotu> No idea, guessing [09:47] <Ex-Cyber> guessing: someone told it to earlier with the command I just pasted :) [09:47] <Rockett18> !nvidia [09:47] <ubotu> [nvidia] at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia [09:47] <jpfarias> hey, how do I downgrade a package to a previous version? [09:47] <zevets> thakns [09:48] <uthini> lol Rockett18 [09:48] <Rockett18> im out [09:49] <kevman> "Errors were encountered while processing: [09:49] <kevman> /var/cache/apt/archives/kmail_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu10_i386.deb [09:49] <kevman> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" [09:49] <reiki_work> I came i drunk one night and carried on a long conversation with a giant stuffed animal that my little brother won at the fair. :) [09:49] <uthini> zevets, sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 [09:49] <uthini> if thats your kernel version [09:49] <guessing> thanks everybody [09:50] <kevman> That error above... Is something running that is stopping apt from working? [09:50] <uthini> kevman, anything further than the error code? [09:51] <zevets> uthini, I wasn't using the package that comes with this [09:51] <zevets> but thx anyway [09:51] <kevman> uthini, I'll paste the whole thing in http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl [09:52] <kevman> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1586 [09:52] <NoHope> hello all [09:53] <haja> I just reinstalled Ubuntu and I have a vfat partition. I go to access it and it can't get to it. When I login to my windows installation it sees the drive. Anyone got any clue? [09:54] <pestilence> is there any way to revert a package back to the original configuration files? [09:54] <arauzo> hello [09:55] <pestilence> (without removing the package) [09:55] <paulproteus> pestilence: dpkg --purge package ; apt-get install [09:55] <paulproteus> pestilence: Oh. [09:55] <arauzo> how can i change file types and programs associations???? [09:55] <paulproteus> pestilence: dpkg --reinstall ...? [09:55] <pestilence> paulproteus: yea, but that causes all sorts of problems due to dependencies [09:55] <pestilence> paulproteus: hmm. [09:55] <paulproteus> pestilence: That's safe. Watch this: [09:55] <pestilence> paulproteus: didn't think that would overwrite configuration [09:55] <poe-t> arauzo, done thru your window manager, I guess [09:55] <paulproteus> dpkg --purge --force-deps packagename [09:55] <paulproteus> apt-get -f install [09:55] <arauzo> pestilence: dpkg-reinstall [09:55] <paulproteus> Then apt-get should bring it back. [09:56] <kevman> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1586 <- any idea about this error? [09:56] <arauzo> pestilence: sorry dpkg-reconfigure [09:56] <eliphas_> what port do I need to pen to use gaim ? [09:56] <eliphas_> open [09:56] <paulproteus> eliphas_: Uh, it just works. [09:57] <arauzo> eliphas_: depends on the network you want to use [09:57] <eliphas_> msn [09:57] <arauzo> so you need to find which ports msn uses... [09:58] <silentigger> mp3 in ubuntu? [09:58] <thespiritoftal> what is the command to move a directory to another folder and overwrite the directory with the same name in that folder? [09:58] <Seveas> !mp3 [09:58] <ubotu> it has been said that mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support [09:58] <Seveas> ^-- silentigger [09:59] <kevman> eliphas_, msn is port 1863 [09:59] <eliphas_> kevman thanks [09:59] <apokryphos> thespiritoftal: mv -r [09:59] <eliphas_> because for some reason i cna't manage to reach google [09:59] <apokryphos> -rf [09:59] <silentigger> Seveas, yes [09:59] <eliphas_> my routeur is weird [09:59] <kevman> No ideas? [10:00] <arauzo> eliphas_: more info at: http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~rakerman/port-table.html [10:00] <silentigger> Seveas, can i mp3 player? [10:01] <keksladen> nabend [10:02] <Logi_> if i want to install apache 1.3 with php4, and mysql... what are the packages that i ned [10:02] <RootX|Arphetic> hello [10:02] <mihai> where in /dev is the path to eth0 ? [10:02] <silentigger> my AirPort ubuntu not support [10:02] <RootX|Arphetic> I would like to know the name of the tiny linux distro, something like ... tomsrtr or so? [10:03] <uthini> Logi_, apt will read the dependancies for you [10:03] <keksladen> i've got a problem with ubuntu.. (i've installed it today) i cant login with root because i dont know the password.. [10:03] <haja> I just reinstalled Ubuntu on a ext3 parittion. I also have a vfat partition. When I try to access it in Linux I can't get to it. Do I need to remount it? [10:03] <mihai> tomsrtr ? lol [10:03] <Logi_> uthini..? [10:03] <keksladen> i made a user and i can login with this user, but not with root... [10:03] <Logi_> what do you mean? [10:03] <Seveas> !root [10:03] <ubotu> it has been said that root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo [10:04] <telemaco> is there any way for install ubuntu from usb-hard-disk ? [10:04] <Seveas> ^-- keksladen read that [10:04] <CookedGryphon> keksladen, try ure user pasword [10:04] <mihai> where in /dev is the path to eth0 ? [10:04] <keksladen> thx [10:04] <Seveas> ubuntu by default has no root password [10:04] <CookedGryphon> keksladen, that's what it was on mine [10:04] <uthini> Logi_, you know about apt_get? [10:04] <Logi_> uthini, yeah [10:04] <CookedGryphon> tho i'd made a typo when settign my password, n i made it twice so i couldn#'t log in for a fair while, lol [10:04] <CookedGryphon> Seveas, why did mine then? [10:04] <CookedGryphon> i tried typing nothing but it didn't work [10:05] <uthini> it also reads the dependancies (what other packages are needed by the package) and prompts to install [10:05] <Seveas> CookedGryphon, login in the recovery mode [10:05] <Logi_> uthini, i had apache2 on my machine.. but it wouldnt allow for certain things to work... so i still have php4, and mysql on my computer... they just arent configured [10:05] <mihai> can somebody tell me the full path to eth0 in /dev ? [10:05] <Seveas> that will give you a root login without entering a password [10:05] <CookedGryphon> its ok i don't have the problem now [10:05] <silentigger> ubuntu powerpc [10:05] <Logi_> uthini, i also have apache1.3 on it too.. but it wont recognize the .php extension [10:05] <_liquidfire> [22:04] <_liquidfire> I just installed abc-bittorent client with the deb package [10:05] <_liquidfire> [22:04] <_liquidfire> Where can I find where he installed the program [10:05] <_liquidfire> [22:04] <_liquidfire> It doesn't appear in any menu listing [10:05] <Seveas> mihai, why do you need to know [10:05] <_liquidfire> :/ [10:05] <CookedGryphon> Seveas, i typed in random stuff n it let me in after a while, whereby i hastily ran passwd [10:06] <ray_> !find penggy [10:06] <RogerD> hello everyone - Does anyone know how to RESIZE a partition. I looked at GPARTED, however I want to resize the active "/" partition from 40GB to 30GB. HELP!!!! [10:06] <ubotu> penggy: (Allows you to connect to AOL via modem or TCP/IP), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 0.2.1-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 332 kB [10:06] <RogerD> :) [10:06] <Seveas> don't paste! [10:06] <uthini> Logi_, have u done the config'ing apache [10:06] <_liquidfire> :(? [10:06] <silentigger> liquidfire, opa [10:06] <mihai> Seveas, so i can configure an xfce plugin to show net-usage [10:06] <_liquidfire> its only 3 lines :o? [10:06] <silentigger> liquidfire, lucas mendes [10:06] <Logi_> uthini, that's really what i need to know how to do... cause i cant find the correct documentation on it... everything is done for apache2 now... [10:06] <Logi_> uthini, which isnt stable enough for my liking.. [10:06] <Seveas> mihai, that shoult just need eth0 not something in /dev [10:06] <haja> I just reinstalled Ubuntu on a ext3 parittion. I also have a vfat partition for files. When I try to access it in Linux I can't get to it. Do I need to remount it? [10:06] <michelp> I'm not so good at this package thing, I read the man page for sources.list but I'm still getting an error, I want to install the software and I use syntaptic to add the repository "deb http://download.librdf.org/binaries/ubuntu/hoary/" but it doesn't show up in the repo list and if I add it to source.list my self I get an error. nayone know the right syntax? [10:07] <Seveas> haja: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically [10:07] <silentigger> Seveas, hi [10:07] <mihai> Seveas, thanks, it works :) [10:07] <jkindy> what can i use to write HTML? [10:07] <haja> ohhh [10:07] <silentigger> Seveas, do you help-me? [10:07] <Seveas> michelp, you need to add a path to that list [10:07] <pestilence> paulproteus: your dpkg --purge --force-depends seems to be exactly what i wanted. thanks! [10:07] <Logi_> jkindy, gedit [10:07] <haja> thanks Seveas [10:07] <Seveas> probably just ' ./' (without the quotes) [10:07] <jkindy> is gedit on ubuntu allready [10:07] <michelp> Seveas ok i'll try that thanks [10:07] <silentigger> can you help-me? [10:07] <Seveas> silentigger, did you read that page I sent you? [10:07] <Logi_> jkindy, yeah [10:08] <jkindy> thanks [10:08] <silentigger> Seveas, ok [10:08] <Hoxzer> what is the good software for ubuntu for make of music [10:08] <silentigger> Seveas, ubuntu for powerpc [10:08] <michelp> Seveas, sweet it works! [10:09] <CookedGryphon> Hoxzer, beep-media-player is best n easiest, in my hunmble opinion [10:09] <CookedGryphon> oh make [10:09] <CookedGryphon> buger, i'll sthu up [10:09] <CookedGryphon> shut* [10:09] <Seveas> :) [10:09] <Logi_> uthini, do you know what i have to do [10:10] <jkindy> can i get aim sniff from apt-get? [10:10] <wae2go> !java [10:10] <ubotu> I guess java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [10:10] <Seveas> wae2go, the repositories in these instructions are down [10:11] <Seveas> wae2go, gar a deb from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl [10:11] <Seveas> grab a deb* [10:11] <haja> Thanks again seveas.... worked perfectly [10:12] <Bixmark> can I type this: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf in Applications -> Run Applications? [10:12] <_liquidfire> sorry for the paste :/ [10:12] <Seveas> Bixmark, only if you tick 'run in console' [10:12] <Seveas> otherwise do: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf [10:12] <Bixmark> thanx seveas [10:12] <_liquidfire> But anybody has an idea about my problem? I installed ABC using the debian package but i have no clue how to start it since i don't see any ABC buttons in any of my menu listings [10:13] <Bixmark> is that the only place where you can type in that sudo command? [10:13] <Seveas> dpkg -L abc-bla (put the actual package name there) [10:13] <Seveas> that shows where it is installed [10:13] <Seveas> Bixmark, you can write it in any terminal too [10:13] <arauzo> how can i change file types and programs associations?? [10:14] <Seveas> !default [10:14] <ubotu> Seveas: I give up, what is it? [10:14] <Seveas> dang [10:14] <Seveas> !defaults [10:14] <ubotu> Seveas: Do they come in packets of five?
 tomsrtr ? lol <- it was tomsrtbt [10:14] <Seveas> arauzo, rightclick on a file, seclect properties. Third tab 'open with' [10:14] <black13> has anyone built a boot floppy that uses a 2.6 kernel? [10:15] <arauzo> Seveas, but I want to make it permanent [10:15] <Logi_> uthini, do you know what i have to do? [10:15] <Seveas> arauzo, THAT makes it permanent [10:15] <selinium> Seveas: Do you ever sleep? [10:15] <selinium> :) [10:15] <Seveas> selecting open with from the right click menu not [10:15] <Seveas> selinium, hardly :) [10:16] <wae2go> anyone know where backports is now? I need to install java? [10:16] <arauzo> it is not working for me [10:16] <CookedGryphon> !java [10:16] <ubotu> hmm... java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [10:16] <CookedGryphon> yah! been dying to use that lol [10:16] <wae2go> ok... is anyone more up to date then ubotu? [10:16] <arauzo> isn't there any place where i could edit the types??? [10:17] <Seveas> wae2go, I just told you where you could grab a deb... [10:17] <snoopy> hi people [10:17] <clatta> does anyone know how to uninstall ati drivers and restore the original ones coming with the installation cd? [10:17] <wae2go> didnt see it Seveas, where was it? [10:17] <Seveas> wae2go, http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl [10:17] <jkindy> once i download a mp3 from limewire i cant get it to play outside of limewire and programs that will let me play it with out opeing up limewire? [10:17] <uthini> Logi_, i knew once, back in 2002 [10:17] <uthini> lol [10:17] <wae2go> kewl thanks [10:18] <uthini> long since forgot [10:18] <Lichte> how do I get gnome-db widgets for glade in Ubuntu ? [10:19] <wae2go> seveas whats with all the backports urls not existing any longer? [10:19] <Lichte> I've installed all the gnome-db stuff I can find [10:19] <Seveas> wae2go, ENOCLUE [10:19] <Logi_> uthini, boo... [10:19] <wae2go> uh ok... [10:19] <uthini> i remember it being in the httpd.conf [10:19] <reiki_work> is it against any "rules" to use the Ubuntu logo on a web site when talking about how great it is? :) [10:19] <uthini> or summin like that [10:20] <Seveas> reiki_work, no [10:20] <uthini> gottta add lines to make apache recognise php [10:20] <Seveas> reiki_work, best ubuntu logo i've seen so far: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ubuntu-logo.png [10:21] <Seveas> uthini, a2enmod php4 [10:21] <Seveas> (if you installed libapache2-mod-php4 [10:21] <uthini> see [10:21] <uthini> Seveas, knows [10:21] <wae2go> I am installing a lot of "work at home" workstations for a group of jr high kids and they all need to be able to access the same things. The last couple of days getting the required packages has been hard to do [10:21] <GameCat> hi, van someone tell me how to stop mysqdld from running at startup? i don't really want to go messing in the init stuff by hand... [10:22] <pestilence> GameCat: update-rc.d -f mysql remove [10:23] <Lichte> will the new services app in Gnome 2.12 work with Ubuntu ? [10:23] <haja> Whats the package name for sunjava? [10:23] <GameCat> pestilence: thats great, thanks, worked a treat [10:24] <McGuinness> Hiy, anyone know what "Ignoring unknown interface sit0=sit0." means? (its supposed to be my wireless card... ;/ [10:24] <_liquidfire> Thanks Seveas, i got it working [10:24] <reiki_work> Seveas: thank you much... I've now... uh... "borrowed" that graphic for later use. :) [10:26] <carambol> is it possible to enter Home with the keybaord? [10:28] <juanej> how do i take a screenshot (.jpg) with a console command? [10:28] <tag> Ok, so I've got a pretty default ubuntu setup [10:28] <wae2go> seveas thanks a lot.... that worked, was that your own site? [10:29] <tag> in debian defoma was setup so I could just mkdir ~/.fonts/ and throw fonts in there [10:30] <tag> but I dunno, defoma seems not set up the same here [10:30] <inferno30> Hello! Someone here who can help a newbie figure out what's wrong with his Ubuntu installation (error 21)? [10:31] <arauzo> inferno30: error 21? [10:31] <arauzo> give us more details [10:31] <arauzo> when does it says that? [10:31] <inferno30> after the first stage of installing [10:31] <inferno30> it has to reboot [10:31] <inferno30> and i find myself looking at the loading screen of that linux boot program thingy [10:32] <inferno30> and error 21 appears [10:32] <inferno30> I've got 3 disks, with the first disk windows 98, and the third disk ubuntu [10:32] <arauzo> I am trying to use the check for video player at firefox from ubuntu with mplayer and mozilla-mplayer installed of: https://mysql.webex.com/mysql/mywebex/epmainframe.php?rlink=https%3A%2F%2Fmysql.webex.com%2Fmysql%2Fonstage%2Fmainframe.php%3Fmainurl%3D%2Fmysql%2Fonstage%2Ftool%2Fevent%2Fevent_detail.php%3FEventID%3D386586052%26FirstEnter%3D1%26GuestTimeZone%3D%26SourceId%3D&Rnd5824=0.6295580847809172 [10:32] <c0rrupt__> -.- [10:33] <arauzo> inferno30: doesn't it says anything else? [10:33] <Lichte> how do I get gnome-db widgets for glade in Ubuntu ? [10:33] <NoUse> inferno30 does it say "grub error 21" [10:34] <haon> I tried linux before with mandrake and gave up because I couldnt for the life of me get my wireless usb linksys network adapter to work, is there support for it with ubuntu? [10:34] <Bixmark> how do I get the desktop back up after doing cntl-at-backspace ? [10:34] <morbidi> Bixmark: it get's up auto [10:34] <Bixmark> after I do cntrl-alt-backspace I get the command screen [10:35] <Bixmark> like DOS screen [10:35] <wae2go> haon you will probably have to use either madwifi or ndiswrapper [10:35] <Wallan> Bixmark: Isn't it /etc/init.d/gdm restart ? [10:36] <selinium> HI guys, i am looking to start coding an application to convert a dive computer log into a visual dive log. Never coded anything on linux. What language do you guys suggest? [10:36] <haon> c++ i would presume [10:36] <Wallan> Bixmark: Works for me, but I am new at this... [10:36] <McGuinness> How come I cant open up some GUI programs in UBUNTU? for isntance, Im clicking :system;Administration;networking. It thinks for awhile, then nothing happens...... [10:37] <black13> selinium [10:37] <selinium> haon: Cheers, have you used C++ and or Python? [10:37] <noob523423> hi [10:37] <black13> selinium who is going to view the log [10:37] <selinium> black13: hi [10:37] <noob523423> quick question: how do i boot without X? [10:37] <selinium> black13: me [10:38] <black13> or rater how is it goin to be view? [10:38] <^thehatsrule^> use bootcode 2 [10:38] <^thehatsrule^> for clie [10:38] <^thehatsrule^> cli* [10:38] <^thehatsrule^> i.e. runlevel 2 [10:38] <selinium> black13: ON screen and also printed out for my logbook. People have to see it from time to time. [10:38] <noob523423> that's what it is right now [10:38] <zen> hi [10:38] <noob523423> and it's still booting to X [10:39] <^thehatsrule^> perhaps you didnt save? [10:39] <black13> is the information in some hiearchical form? [10:39] <thoron> http://www.worldpeace.org/peaceday.html [10:39] <noob523423> i DID save [10:39] <noob523423> 2 is the default [10:39] <zevets> runlevel 3 [10:39] <selinium> black13: Not sure yet. But probably. [10:39] <noob523423> i tried that too [10:39] <zevets> type it into command line [10:39] <black13> selinium so people means other than you? [10:39] <zevets> wierd [10:39] <zevets> worked for me [10:39] <zen> where is 'i18n' in ubuntu? [10:39] <black13> selinium think about xml [10:39] <selinium> black13: Yes, in its printed form [10:39] <persia> noob523423: either uninstall gdm, or remove the symlink in /etc/rc3.d [10:39] <^thehatsrule^> try it on the append, in grub maybe [10:39] <haon> are ubuntuforums down or is t my computer? [10:39] <black13> i dont know your data or you application [10:39] <noob523423> persia: how do i remove that symlink? [10:40] <zevets> how do I set the resolution to 1280x1024? [10:40] <zen> zevets > hello [10:40] <zevets> hi [10:41] <zevets> how do I set the resolution to 1280x1024? [10:41] <^thehatsrule^> noob523423: use a # to comment it out [10:41] <black13> but spending more time upfront means less time in back or pain in the back ... xml-izing your data means you could do more with what you have ... you could make a web app then you could point "others" to a website that would contain you logs [10:41] <lexmark> how do I save changes in Nano using the terminal? [10:41] <zevets> ctrl O? [10:41] <zen> zevets > I'm just a newbi for ubuntu. I got a question. Could u help me ? [10:42] <zevets> im a newb too [10:42] <zevets> but sure [10:42] <persia> noob523423: `sudo mv /etc/rc3.d/S??gdm /etc/rc3.d/K01gdm` [10:42] <lexmark> yeah, ctrl O means writeout [10:42] <zevets> thats save [10:42] <zen> zevets > where is 'i18n'? [10:42] <lexmark> not sure if that means save [10:42] <zevets> no clue [10:42] <zevets> its save lexmark [10:42] <lexmark> ok thanx [10:43] <zen> I couldn't find it in the dir '/etc/sysconfig' [10:43] <zevets> np [10:43] <zevets> I wouldn't know zen [10:43] <zevets> im sry [10:43] <zen> zevets> O, but thanks. [10:43] <zevets> do you know how to change the resolution [10:44] <noob523423> persia...rebooting right now [10:44] <selinium> black13: cheers. There is an old program that does some of what i want here. http://pakuro.is.sci.toho-u.ac.jp/aladin/INSTALL-e.html [10:44] <lexmark> zevets: you can try this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto [10:44] <QMario> How do I copy and paste a directory into a file owned by root using the terminal? [10:44] <zen> and could something kindperson help me ? [10:45] <QMario> Hello Seveas. [10:45] <jkindy> is there a winzip program on ubuntu [10:45] <QMario> Hello bob2! :) [10:45] <QMario> Hello Ubotu!. [10:45] <QMario> !Botsnack [10:45] <ubotu> :) [10:45] <selinium> black13: Great idea about the xml! [10:45] <zen> zevets > where are u from ? [10:45] <QMario> !themes [10:45] <ubotu> methinks themes is at http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ - http://www.guistyles.com [10:46] <noob523423> persia: it worked... thanks! [10:46] <zevets> md, why? [10:46] <zevets> how do I change my resolution? [10:46] <noob523423> okay.... another guestion: how do i install the kernel sources? [10:46] <selinium> black13: I am a web programmer and i forget that you can use xml outside php! :) [10:46] <QMario> Lexmark, how do I copy and paste a directory into a file owned by root using the terminal? [10:46] <QMario> !command [10:46] <ubotu> Wish i knew, QMario [10:47] <QMario> !copy [10:47] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, QMario [10:47] <QMario> !paste [10:47] <ubotu> I guess paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text [10:47] <RogerD> Seveas: Thanks for your help yesterday (I was the guy that could not get root access) [10:47] <zen> zevets> have u got any problem too? [10:47] <zevets> yeah [10:47] <zevets> I want to change my resolution to 1280 1024 [10:47] <zen> zevets > what's it? [10:48] <wae2go> well this one is finished.... [10:48] <zevets> don't know how [10:48] <persia> QMario: `sudo mv source destination` or `sudo cp -aRp source destination` [10:48] <noob523423> i can't install nvidia drivers cause i don't have my kernel source installed it says... i need the latest ones that apt-get doesn't have yet cause i have a 7800 GTX [10:48] <wae2go> every thing a teenager needs in a computer... [10:48] <QMario> Wae2go, how do I copy and paste a directory into a file owned by root using the terminal? [10:49] <QMario> Okay. Thank you persia. [10:49] <zen> zevets > u can try to edit the file named initrd [10:49] <QMario> [10:49] <zevets> cool [10:49] <zevets> I will try [10:49] <wae2go> uh QMario I guess you got answered? [10:50] <IRCMonkey> quick question... I just picked up an old macintosh 7600 with a g3/445 upgrade for $35. Does anyone know if the PPC version of ubuntu will run on this? [10:50] <ghais> hello everyone, who can I change the font size of tty(s) [10:50] <zen> zevets > what's the desk ur using? [10:50] <zevets> dunno [10:50] <RogerD> I have the same question as IRCMonkey, only I have an 8600. :D [10:51] <QMario> How do I install a theme? [10:51] <zen> zevets >what's that? I never hear it before. and mine is gnome [10:51] <zevets> oh window manager [10:51] <zevets> I use gnome [10:51] <zevets> like all ubunut [10:51] <zevets> brb [10:51] <meff> quick q, i've been using debian sid for quite awhile and i am looking into ubuntu and i am wondering, if i am just going to update from hoary -> breezy anyways, is it ok to install from a colony test cd? is it the same? [10:52] <Sparky> hey [10:52] <Sparky> does anybody know how to format an ipod under linux? [10:53] <zen> zevets > oh, u also can use the menu ,system->display->.. [10:53] <RogerD> Sparky: Does gtkpod have that ability? [10:53] <floppyears> hi [10:53] <RogerD> try it [10:53] <floppyears> is there something like a script that I can use to turn .sxw files into .doc files? [10:54] <zen> zevets > oh, u also can use the menu ,system->system management->display->.. [10:54] <Sparky> Rogerd: I'm not sure, I dont think so because I cant find a way [10:54] <thespiritoftal> can i remove all the files that start with "index" in a certain directory with one command? [10:54] <RogerD> Sparky: Did you try gtkpod? or do you need help to get that? [10:54] <persia> thespiritoftal: `rm directory/index*` [10:54] <zen> sparky > hi [10:54] <RogerD> Sparky: It should be in the universe or multiverse [10:55] <QMario> Okay, I did it! :) [10:55] <Sparky> RogerD: I have GTKpod, but I cant find an option to format the ipod [10:55] <QMario> Thank you! [10:55] <QMario> Hello Sparky! :) [10:55] <Sparky> Hello qmario [10:55] <Sparky> :) [10:55] <zen> Sparky > I also got a question ,Could u help me ? [10:55] <noob523423> is the kernel source on the install cd? [10:55] <Sparky> sure [10:55] <Sparky> I'm not that great with linux [10:55] <hardw1re> hey, can someone tell me what this xFce desktop environment is? cause im trying it out now, i've never heard of it before.... [10:55] <Sparky> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=316932#post316932 heres more info on the problem [10:56] <zen> Sparky > where is 'i18n'? [10:56] <DekaPink> Hey all... I'm trying to resize my partitions with gparted from the Ubuntu live CD... and it says that I'm trying to resize an active partition when I try... What should I do? :3 [10:56] <RogerD> Sparky: If that does not work, you may need to get your fingers dirty with HFS. (apples file system) you can download kernel modules to read/write HFS filesystems. that's the "old school way" of doing it. If there is a newer/better way. I'm all ears [10:56] <hardw1re> !xfce [10:56] <ubotu> well, xfce is a lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/ [10:56] <sean_> xfce owns :p [10:56] <hardw1re> yeah, steam runs without borders in it :D [10:56] <RogerD> I think the ipods are still using HFS for their underlying file system [10:56] <hardw1re> it seems rather quick and responsive too :D [10:56] <sean_> oh its damn fast, i run a 333celeron /64mb ram, and its still pacey [10:57] <thespiritoftal> and is there a way to remove all the files starting with index in a directory and all the files starting with index in the directories inside the first directory? [10:57] <hardw1re> lol sean_ [10:57] <hardw1re> im on an amd 64. with 1GB of ram :P [10:58] <sean_> hahaha, yeah man i feel like im antiquing [10:58] <sean_> im a good test dummy for old hardware thou :p [10:58] <DekaPink> Does anyone know what the deal might be? As far as I can tell, the partitions aren't mounted. [10:58] <black13> selinium web apps make distrobution so much easier ... jut point to a url no software push [10:58] <sean_> DekaPink, what type of partitions? [10:58] <persia> thespiritoftal: `man regex` for an explanation of the wildcards (or maybe `man bash`. For this, you might try `rm directory/*/index*`, but for more, you'd best take a look at the included docs. [10:59] <DekaPink> sean_: My windows partition... I want to make it smaller so I can make my Ubuntu partition bigger. [10:59] <andril> hello all again [10:59] <DekaPink> So... ntfs and ext3 [10:59] <sean_> heh, thats a pain in the @$$ espically if u dont want to lose data [10:59] <haon99> :/ My wireless usb adapter is broken [10:59] <dalamar> or ass even [10:59] <dalamar> ;) [10:59] <RogerD> lol [10:59] <sean_> hahah [11:00] <andril> any problems with repositories? I just ran a reinstall and alot of packages are not installing (java,mozilla,and scuh) [11:00] <haja> Does anyone know the java package name? [11:00] <andril> haja, you too huh? [11:00] <DekaPink> sean_: Blast~ xD [11:00] <haja> yeah.... I just reinstalled ubuntu and can't get anything installed [11:00] <selinium> black13: true but i still have to get the info out of my dive computer which means tranfsering it to the pc anyway. When its there it seems a bit strange to upload it. but in that you have given me another idea! [11:00] <haja> Thought it was just me... [11:00] <zen> DekaPink > u can use the tool named magic partition. it can make u wanted [11:00] <RogerD> ok: so does anyone know how I can shrink down my Ubuntu partition. Specifically I want to shrink my 40GB '/' partition down to 30GB....... [11:01] <dalamar> you mean partition magic? [11:01] <DekaPink> I guess I'll go do that. [11:01] <RogerD> I tryied GPARTED, but it didn't seem to want to work. [11:01] <sean_> partion magics handy :) [11:01] <RogerD> I booted from the LIVE CD, apt-get'ed it, used it, no joy .......... [11:01] <sean_> but its commercial [11:01] <haja> I get a COuldn't Find Package error...? [11:01] <sean_> and windows [11:01] <haja> You too andril ? [11:02] <klato> hey guys, i just ran the live cd and it seems to work ok (even detected me wireless =), but i can't seem to connect to anything, even though i specified my essid and WEP in the options...? [11:02] <medamaybe> hi@all [11:02] <RogerD> I do not have the NTFS headaches!!! Just need to shrink a standard Linux partition (Ubuntu created) [11:02] <andril> haja, yes I reinstalled on 2 pc's and no luck just errors because java is missing [11:02] <zen> dalamar >perhaps! [11:02] <klato> i'd look in the forums but i they seem to be down.. [11:03] <dalamar> they all knew what you meant ;) [11:03] <neo78> allright folks... [11:03] <neo78> bedtime for me... [11:03] <medamaybe> does anyone have a suggestion on this? "meda is not in the sudoers file"? [11:03] <medamaybe> goodnight neo [11:03] <neo78> have to lecture a programming class eeeearly in the morning [11:03] <dalamar> i think whatever site I was using for one of my repos pooped out because I can't seem to install amarok now [11:04] <neo78> ciao [11:04] <haja> Seems a lot of people are having problems with repos??? [11:04] <dalamar> for sure [11:04] <RogerD> anyone? shrink down my '/' partition? [11:04] <RogerD> :) [11:04] <haja> figures... just when I decide to reinstall [11:04] <yaru22> universe and multiverse source list adding? [11:04] <yaru22> what is it? [11:05] <dalamar> !repos [11:05] <ubotu> [repos] at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [11:05] <hardw1re> anyone else using the cvs of aMSN? [11:05] <sean_> yea i do [11:06] <medamaybe> does anyone know how I get a user in the 'sudoers' file? [11:06] <nakata> visudo [11:06] <nakata> in a terminal [11:06] <dalamar> medamaybe, are you using gnome? [11:06] <medamaybe> yes, gnome [11:06] <dalamar> system -> admin -> user and groups [11:06] <parka> join #xfce-de [11:06] <parka> upsa [11:07] <medamaybe> omg...lol [11:07] <medamaybe> I was trying to do it from the command line [11:07] <dalamar> medamaybe, I always check for a pretty picture version first ;) [11:07] <medamaybe> lol [11:07] <dalamar> heh [11:07] <medamaybe> "Child terminated with 1 status" [11:08] <medamaybe> what's that all about? [11:08] <no_dammagE> hi, can I remove all contents from /var/cache without fear (I have only 200 MB left on /) without fear? [11:08] <dalamar> ? dunno thats what happened when you tried to run it? [11:08] <no_dammagE> -without fear :) [11:08] <medamaybe> when I tried to run it, it asked me to type in a password, I did [11:08] <medamaybe> and that's what it said [11:08] <black13> selinium what creates the data? [11:09] <dalamar> medamaybe, then user your trying to use it with right now has sudo privilige right? [11:09] <selinium> black13: A wrist mounted computer [11:09] <medamaybe> no, the user I'm trying to use it with right now, NEEDS sudo privileges, but I can't get it to work [11:10] <alllanon> Are the daily builds of Breezy known to be working? [11:10] <dalamar> medamaybe, you do have A user with sudo though right? your going to need it to run the program [11:10] <medamaybe> no..that's the problem [11:10] <medamaybe> I don't know how to give sudo priviledges to a user [11:10] <alllanon> medamaybe: is he in /etc/sudoers? [11:10] <dalamar> you mean your main user doesn't have sudo privilege to begin with? thats not right [11:10] <Seveas> alllanon, they are known to be working somtimes [11:10] <medamaybe> hang on, I'll check [11:11] <Sauron21> Hi...I was wondering if anyone could tell me where I could get a ppp/mppe patch for ubuntu? [11:11] <alllanon> Seveas: okay :] I tried booting yesterday's iso three times today. different problem on every boot :} [11:11] <medamaybe> only "root" is in /etc/sudoers [11:12] <TMS> I dont suppose anyone happen to know of an ipw2100 source with WPA support enabled? [11:12] <alllanon> Oh, forgot to mention it was the live cd. Is there a Breezy live cd known to be good, then? [11:13] <dalamar> i've only got 'root' in my /etc/sudoers as well yet my main user 'dalamar' still has sudo ability [11:13] <medamaybe> would it do me any good if I change the /etc/sudoers file and put a user in there? [11:13] <medamaybe> :/ [11:13] <medamaybe> that's odd [11:13] <Seveas> dalamar, in hoary the admin group is in the sudoers file [11:13] <metis> can anyone help me with creloaded/oscommerce? [11:14] <Seveas> and the first user you create is in that group [11:14] <dalamar> Seveas, ah ok [11:14] <medamaybe> I read something about users having to be in the 'wheel' group to be able to use sudo [11:14] <alllanon> dalamar: hm, yes. i usually use archlinux, and i thought i set it there. could be different on ubuntu. [11:14] <dalamar> so its based on group in hoary [11:14] <FiRez> medaybe: no [11:14] <alllanon> ah, then it should be just to add your user to the admin group then? [11:14] <medamaybe> so...how do I add a user to the admin group? [11:14] <FiRez> You can change that in the user adm. program [11:15] <dalamar> medamaybe, I really dont see how your first user you created on install couldnt have admin [11:15] <medamaybe> well..neither do I [11:15] <FiRez> is called Users and Groups I think, sorry I don't have Ubuntu installed in my work's PC [11:15] <black13> has anyone played around with making bootable cd roms based on ubuntu? [11:15] <black13> or debian [11:15] <medamaybe> I can't get to the Users and Groups thing [11:16] <medamaybe> it tells me I need a password [11:16] <dalamar> your using the -user's- password when it asks right, not root pw? [11:16] <medamaybe> yeah, the users password [11:16] <dalamar> and are you trying this with your first/main user? [11:16] <medamaybe> I have only 1 user [11:16] <FiRez> it should work like that or just enable the root account [11:16] <FiRez> wait...I will look for the link [11:16] <medamaybe> ok [11:17] <FiRez> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo?highlight=%28root%29 [11:17] <selinium> anyone a bluetooth wizard here? [11:17] <FiRez> see Enabling root account [11:17] <selinium> I am having some bonding issues! :) [11:17] <zen> where is the file named 'i18n'? [11:17] <zen> where is the file named 'i18n'? [11:17] <zen> where is the file named 'i18n'? [11:17] <medamaybe> ok, thanks [11:17] <apokryphos> You can't enable the root account if sudo isn't working [11:18] <apokryphos> zen: don't flood [11:18] <dalamar> yeah [11:18] <medamaybe> I can't do ANYTHING if sudo is not working, or so it seems :) [11:18] <dalamar> so thats really not going to do you any good [11:18] <FiRez> sorry I forget that you can't use sudo [11:18] <apokryphos> what happened? [11:18] <medamaybe> :/ [11:18] <FiRez> what happens when you try to use the terminal as root? [11:18] <medamaybe> that works [11:19] <hardw1re> xfce is tehh ownage [11:19] <apokryphos> only real way to stop sudo working is to muck up your subdoers file; you shouldn't really be playing around with that [11:19] <FiRez> well just use the command without sudo but be sure that you are using the terminal with the root profile [11:19] <TaxMan> Quick question, just so I won't waste time trying this and have to reboot: Can I install packages when on the LiveCD (obviously only for the same session but still)? [11:19] <juanej> is there anyway to get rid of gnome and install xfce? [11:19] <medamaybe> I never even touched my sudoers file [11:19] <juanej> without reinstalling i mean [11:20] <apokryphos> medamaybe: and what happens when you try to sudo? Password incorrect? [11:20] <dalamar> juanej, install xfce, set it in your sessions at login, then delete gnome [11:20] <medamaybe> no, it tells me 'meda is not in the sudoers file' [11:20] <juanej> dalamar, how? [11:20] <dalamar> how what? [11:20] <FiRez> mm....it's my connection or the forums are down? [11:20] <apokryphos> medamaybe: and that's the user you said you started with? [11:20] <dalamar> use synaptic [11:20] <medamaybe> yeah, it is [11:21] <apokryphos> medamaybe: but you can get into root permissions now? [11:21] <mattyJ> does anyone know if you can use gnomemeeting to connect to someone with ichat on a mac? [11:21] <apokryphos> medamaybe: if you can, type visudo there [11:21] <haja> can someone give me a hand in installing java.. [11:21] <medamaybe> ok [11:21] <apokryphos> medamaybe: and add in {username} ALL=(ALL) ALL [11:21] <FiRez> did you tried to install it from synaotic? [11:21] <FiRez> *synaptic [11:21] <NoUse> !java [11:21] <ubotu> [java] to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [11:21] <CookedGryphon> haja, i have java installed n working, what do u want to know? [11:22] <haja> what is the package name to install it? [11:22] <zen> apokryphos > I 'm sorry ,I just wanna solve my problem. [11:22] <dalamar> im guessing the aq would tell you [11:22] <FiRez> search for JRE [11:22] <dalamar> the faq too [11:22] <bytefoo> someone know what version of ipw2200 ubuntu is using [11:22] <CookedGryphon> i dint dl a package myself [11:22] <bytefoo> is it the latest that supports monitor mode :O [11:22] <apokryphos> zen: hmm? [11:22] <asfra> haja: sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5 [11:22] <CookedGryphon> downloaded the self extracting archive from www.java.com [11:22] <haja> I get nothhing in synap [11:23] <dalamar> zen, the il8n stuff is language packages most likely [11:23] <asfra> haja: check sources.list [11:23] <apokryphos> Everyone's mentioning ten different ways to get it (and I have another). Confusing, I'm sure. :) [11:23] <NoUse> haja have you looked at the wiki? [11:23] <haja> E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5 [11:23] <apokryphos> actually, the wiki is dated -- jre is no longer in hoary-extras [11:23] <zen> dalamar > yeah, I wanna find it. but I'am fail [11:23] <haja> I am using the ubuntuguide.com or hwatever [11:23] <medamaybe> it works! [11:23] <NoUse> !tell haja about java [11:23] <medamaybe> my other user is now able to use sudo [11:23] <medamaybe> thanks guys [11:23] <dalamar> medamaybe, congrats [11:24] <CookedGryphon> you could jsut do what i did, it works [11:24] <NoUse> !ubuntuguide [11:24] <ubotu> rumour has it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned [11:24] <CookedGryphon> www.java.com [11:24] <medamaybe> now...let's see how I can screw everything up again ;) [11:24] <apokryphos> CookedGryphon: unnecessary [11:24] <CookedGryphon> downlaod the self extracting [11:24] <zen> dalamer > perhaps, Ubuntu hasn't that file. but another do. [11:24] <CookedGryphon> i like to do things the logn way around tho [11:24] <dalamar> zen, ubuntu has alot of those, though its not just called il8n, its got a long filename with the language name in the front of it [11:24] <CookedGryphon> long* [11:25] <CookedGryphon> its more fun [11:25] <apokryphos> CookedGryphon: most others won't -- I think that's a safe presumption :P [11:25] <rmflagg> Does anyone know anything about the workings of GDM? [11:25] <zen> dalamer >and what? I can't see the follow words [11:25] <juanej> can i replace nautilius with rox file manager? [11:25] <Seveas> all the people needing java: backports mirrors seem to have problems [11:26] <CookedGryphon> apokryphos, i wanted java to run a risk game n it referred me to java.com, then when i searched synaptic 4 java, nothing, so i juust went off the java website [11:26] <Seveas> look at my hostmask to find out where you can grab java debs :) [11:26] <apokryphos> and hoary-extras doesn't have it anymore [11:26] <apokryphos> CookedGryphon: it's an option, sure; but there are easier methods [11:26] <CookedGryphon> oh yeah, i have a problem [11:26] <RockFoo> Anyone here have experience with installing an ATI Radeon in Ubuntu? [11:27] <Seveas> !ati [11:27] <ubotu> somebody said ati was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI [11:27] <Seveas> ^-- RockFoo [11:27] <rmflagg> I am running Hoary and GDM doesn't ask if I want to use Session "X" as my default session anymore. It also doesn't save the "Last" session setting. [11:27] <dalamar> zen, i was just saying the file isnt just called 'il8n', thats only a small part of a long filename [11:27] <haja> When I search for sun-j2re1.5 in synaptic I get nothing [11:27] <haja> I've added all the repos [11:27] <bytefoo> heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy [11:27] <apokryphos> haja: you don't have the appropriate repository enabled [11:27] <Madison> could I ask some advice when someone's got a minute [11:27] <bytefoo> where can i check the latest package version on somethin :O [11:27] <Seveas> haja, look at what I just said :) [11:27] <bytefoo> for ubuntu repo :X [11:27] <dalamar> haja, listen to Seveas, get it from there [11:28] <apokryphos> haja: add.... deb http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl ./ [11:28] <Seveas> Madison, just ask :) [11:28] <keegan3747> cookedGryphon, u have to download the .tar.gz file from sun's site [11:28] <FiRez> bytefoo google the package [11:28] <zen> oh, thanks ,but what's that? [11:28] <apokryphos> Seveas: it's the damn wiki that's confusing, too. Will edit that. [11:28] <Seveas> bytefoo, with synaptic [11:28] <Seveas> apokryphos, just did :) [11:28] <haja> sorry.... I didn't see that [11:28] <bytefoo> googling the package tells me the package version, not what ubuntu is using [11:28] <zen> dalamer >oh, thanks . but what's that? [11:28] <bytefoo> yah i would, but im at work on an xp box :X [11:28] <Madison> any chance anyone knows where to get a driver for a compaq deskpro en soundcard? [11:28] <apokryphos> Seveas: ah, good going. [11:28] <CookedGryphon> i have a java game in a .jar pkg, and it has several shell scripts to run it in different modes, when i type in the path to one of the scripts in terminal it works fine, but then as soon as i put exactly the same command line in smeg then nothing happens [11:29] <Seveas> bytefoo, ok, then packages.ubuntu.com :) [11:29] <dalamar> zen, whats what? its most likely a language file [11:29] <haja> add that as a repo? [11:29] <FiRez> sorry I thought you wanted to know the latest version of the package [11:29] <bytefoo> ahh thank you :) [11:29] <CookedGryphon> keegan3747, eh, i already have java, no problem with it [11:29] <apokryphos> haja: yes [11:29] <rmflagg> I can't find anything on Google about the settings and what to change inside GDM conf. [11:29] <Kuma> Can someone help me. When I run "Add/Remove Programs" I get this error: [11:29] <keegan3747> cookedgryphon, I misread wat u typed ;) [11:29] <Seveas> haja, either add it as repo or manually download a java .deb file from there [11:29] <durt> !gdm [11:29] <ubotu> No idea, durt [11:30] <haja> awesome [11:30] <FiRez> CookedGryphon did you used the installation files from sun.com or did you got it from synaptic? [11:30] <haja> works [11:30] <haja> thanks again [11:30] <Seveas> Kuma: disable backports and reinstall python-xdg [11:30] <haja> When I installed the first time I got it installed fine... don't know whats going on this time [11:30] <CookedGryphon> FiRez, installation files, not synaptic [11:30] <thespiritoftal> what is the command to write a directory to a cd? [11:30] <CookedGryphon> and yes java dir is in my path variable [11:30] <Kuma> Seveas: I am sorry, but I am a noob how do I disable backports and reinstall python... [11:30] <FiRez> thanks, I was planning to install it today [11:31] <Seveas> Kuma, first give the error :) [11:31] <Kuma> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) [11:31] <rmflagg> Ok, so NOBODY in here can supply me with ANY insight as to what could have happened to my GDM setting? [11:31] <skora> !metapackage [11:31] <ubotu> skora: I don't know, could you explain it? [11:31] <CookedGryphon> what's the exactly problem rmflagg ? [11:31] <Seveas> Kuma, oooohhh [11:31] <rmflagg> I am running Hoary and GDM doesn't ask if I want to use Session "X" as my default session anymore. It also doesn't save the "Last" session setting. [11:31] <Seveas> that's not what I expected :) [11:32] <zen> dalamar >oh, thanks for ur help. [11:32] <mirak> hi [11:32] <haon> would the linux driver available here work on ubuntu? http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?childpagename=US%2FLayout&packedargs=c%3DL_Download_C2%26cid%3D1115417109934%26sku%3D1121874580756&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper [11:32] <Seveas> Kuma, simply open synaptic and hit the reload button [11:32] <Seveas> or in a terminal, run: sudo apt-get update [11:32] <Kuma> Seveas: I am sorry, but I am a noob how... [11:32] <rmflagg> It also has the default setting to Gnome and I am running Fluxbox exclusively. [11:32] <Kuma> Seveas: Never mind. [11:32] <Seveas> Kuma, synaptic is in the menu at the top of the screen: system -> administration -> synaptic [11:32] <CookedGryphon> rmflagg, can u do anything in System -> Administration -> Login screen setup? [11:33] <beniamino> anyone know why apt-get sun-j2re1.5 stopped working (for me) in the last few days? i know backports/extras isn't official, just wondered if anyone knew what happened [11:33] <apokryphos> beniamino: it's no longer in hoary-extras [11:33] <dalamar> its not working ;) [11:33] <keegan3747> rmflagg, I am not sure if I understand the question or not but don't u change the session by clicking session on the login screen? [11:33] <Kuma> Seveas: Error: Another synaptic is running... [11:33] <apokryphos> Kuma: close the other one :P [11:33] <Seveas> Kuma, close the add/remove programs thing [11:33] <rmflagg> I am running Fluxbox. I have been for months and everything has been fine. It just changed last week! [11:33] <icewt> how can i change gtk1 theme? [11:33] <Kuma> Seveas: It is not open. [11:34] <durt> where is sun-j2re1.5 now then? [11:34] <skora> Hi. I'm trying to find out information about metapackages, but I checked the forum [down] , the wiki [no info] and google; and unable to find out. [11:34] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell durt about java [11:34] <asfra> hi, is it possible to copy alle the packages related to aptitude to en external harddrive? is so, can anybode tell me where they are located? [11:34] <dalamar> do you have an apt-get running on cmdlin? [11:34] <Seveas> skora, the wiki should have info [11:34] <skora> for example - can I remove them without any harm ? [11:34] <selinium> black13: the program downloads a bitstream from the dive computer this then needs to be turned into readable info using the formula found at http://www.muenster.de/~matthias/aladin/aladin_frame.xls [11:34] <apokryphos> asfra: all packages are in archive.ubuntu.com [11:34] <Seveas> I wrote a page about them a few months ago [11:34] <skora> Seveas, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/search?SearchableText=metapackage&Title=&Description=&created%3Adate=1970%2F02%2F01+00%3A00%3A00+GMT&created_usage=range%3Amin&pt_toggle=%23&portal_type%3Alist=AmazonItem&portal_type%3Alist=Discussion+Item&portal_type%3Alist=Document&portal_type%3Alist=Event&portal_type%3Alist=Favorite&portal_type%3Alist=File&portal_type%3Alist=Folder&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenter&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterDefinition& [11:34] <skora> portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterErrorReference&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterErrorReferenceFolder&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterFAQ&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterFAQFolder&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterGlossary&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterHowTo&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterHowToFolder&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterLink&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterLinkFolder&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterTutorial&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterTutorialFolder&portal [11:34] <skora> _type%3Alist=HelpCenterTutorialPage&portal_type%3Alist=Image&portal_type%3Alist=Large+Plone+Folder&portal_type%3Alist=Link&portal_type%3Alist=News+Item&portal_type%3Alist=Plone+Site&portal_type%3Alist=TempFolder&portal_type%3Alist=Topic&portal_type%3Alist=Wiki+Page&Creator=&submit=Search [11:34] <rmflagg> keegan3747: Yes, you do. But it doesn't remember the Last session setting anymore. So everytime I log in, I go to Gnome, which I don't use. [11:34] <dalamar> whoa [11:34] <skora> ack sry. [11:34] <c0rrupt__> ......... [11:34] <dalamar> i have no eyes [11:34] <apokryphos> speeedy [11:35] <klato> my WAP is not detected (although my wireless card is) in ubuntu, although all is fine in another os. the wireless is eth1, and i entered my essid/wep (using 4th, dont see any way to have it use the 4th though)...any ideas? [11:35] <Seveas> jeez, what an a** [11:35] <rmflagg> Also, it doesn't ask anymore if I want to change my default setting to Fluxbox anymore. [11:35] <Kuma> Seveas: It is not open. [11:35] <c0rrupt__> damn long link [11:35] <keegan3747> rmflagg, if you change the session by clicking session on the login screen, it should ask if you want to make it the default, so u should be able to edit the default there [11:35] <Seveas> Kuma, hmm [11:35] <chris> hey I'm looking for an applet to sit on my gnome-panel that will alert me to new emails does anyone know of a good one? [11:35] <rmflagg> It doesn't ask anymore. :( [11:35] <RockFoo> Alright I tried using the guides to installing an ATI card on Ubuntu but I can't start X back up [11:35] <Seveas> close all instances of synaptic, apt-get, add remove programs and whatnot [11:35] <keegan3747> hmmm... [11:35] <beniamino> apokryphos: well that would explain it :-) but what happened? [11:36] <RockFoo> Can anyone help me? [11:36] <robotgeek> Kuma: sudo killall synaptic [11:36] <Seveas> and then retry [11:36] <asfra> apokryphos: ok, thats online. But doesn't apt keep all the dowloaded packages in a local directory on the computer? [11:36] <alllanon> chris: xbiff? [11:36] <apokryphos> beniamino: I have no idea [11:36] <apokryphos> asfra: *downloaded* ones, yes [11:36] <chris> alllanon, I'll give that a try thanks [11:36] <apokryphos> asfra: /var/cache/apt/archives/ [11:36] <selinium> black13: thanks for your pointers. [11:36] <robotgeek> does anyone know a good mp3 tag editor? [11:36] <ircleuser> is the ntfs partition resizing working on latest daily install cd? [11:36] <apokryphos> robotgeek: JuK [11:36] <alllanon> robotgeek: amarok :) [11:36] <Madison> well, I'll be damned if I can find a driver... [11:37] <xerath> lo [11:37] <robotgeek> apokryphos: thanks [11:37] <selinium> robotgeek easytag [11:37] <apokryphos> even KRename can do it, I believe [11:37] <xerath> :P [11:37] <Kuma> Seveas: Okay I am at Synaptic, now I get... W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) [11:37] <xerath> everyone from rsa? [11:37] <Seveas> Kuma, good [11:37] <asfra> apokryphos: thanks! I need to update a system that is off-line.. I think this will work... [11:37] <Seveas> Kuma, now hit the reload button in synaptic [11:37] <RockFoo> Can anyone here help me one on one with installing an ATI Radeon card under Ubuntu? [11:37] <alllanon> xerath: no, some of us from aes [11:37] <RockFoo> I've tried the guides [11:37] <keegan3747> rmflagg, lemme c wat I can dig up [11:37] <xerath> how long should a root@woof:/home/xerath # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdd [11:37] <robotgeek> apokryphos, alllanon , selinium : thanks, will try them out, except amarok [11:37] <dalamar> robotgeek, easytag is a nice little one too for a specific program for editing them [11:37] <Kuma> Seveas: Ok... [11:37] <xerath> take on a 160 gig? [11:37] <apokryphos> asfra: use the -d option to download and not unpack/install [11:37] <alllanon> amaroK <3 <3 <3 [11:38] <selinium> Good night all, happy ubuntu'ing! [11:38] <dalamar> amarok is ugly ;) [11:38] <alllanon> someone should make gamaroK. [11:38] <apokryphos> amaroK is boootiful [11:38] <rmflagg> Thanks! [11:38] <asubedi> anyone successful in resizing a ntfs partition from the install cd? [11:38] <Seveas> RockFoo: sample xorg.conf for a radeon 9600 http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/793 [11:38] <Kuma> Seveas: Thank you very much... It works. [11:38] <dalamar> and the playlist is bloat and uneeded if you want a basic mp3 player [11:38] <haon> would the linux driver available here work on ubuntu? http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?childpagename=US%2FLayout&packedargs=c%3DL_Download_C2%26cid%3D1115417109934%26sku%3D1121874580756&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper [11:38] <andril> come on first the repositories and now a hurricane - is it all over? :) [11:38] <Seveas> maybe you can get some inspiration from that [11:38] <asfra> apokryphos: so already downloaded and istalled packages are not contained in a 'form' that can be used by another system? [11:38] <robotgeek> hehe, looks like i've started off a flmaewar! [11:39] <xerath> how do I extract .deb packages? [11:39] <dalamar> everyone's got thier fav mp3 player heh [11:39] <apokryphos> asfra: I think APT does regular "apt-get clean"s, which basically deletes every package in that directory, so no [11:39] <durt> xerath: sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb [11:39] <apokryphos> dalamar: indeed [11:39] <apokryphos> durt: no, that's to extract+install :P [11:39] <asfra> apokryphos: ok, thanks! [11:39] <Seveas> xerath, ar x filename.deb [11:40] <Seveas> or dpkg-deb -x (oslt) [11:40] <FiRez> Does anyone use enlightement? I just wanted to know if it's faster than gnome [11:40] <macarthy> anyone know the current status of mono on AMD64? Can it be run on Hoary? [11:40] <robotgeek> dalamar: i use beep-media-player, though rhythmbox on breezy seemed nice for a while, but started skipping after song changeover. maybe a bug report is in order? [11:40] <alllanon> do totem support loading and selecting subtitles in the gui now? [11:40] <dalamar> though amarok my not be my fav, its got to hands down have the most features [11:40] <durt> my bad [11:40] <apokryphos> FiRez: it's more lightweight [11:40] <Seveas> alllanon, yes (for dvds at least) [11:40] <apokryphos> dalamar: yes; JuK has *very* many too, though. So few know about it. [11:40] <alllanon> robotgeek: wait, skipping... sound familiar. it doesn't use gstreamer, does it? [11:41] <dalamar> robotgeek, couldn't say, have never been a fan of rhythmbox so I dunno about its ups/downs [11:41] <apokryphos> dalamar: amaroK got some of its major features from there (it uses JuK's tagging library, for example) [11:41] <keegan3747> rmflagg, does this help? http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/changeman.html [11:41] <FiRez> apokryphos Thanks I will try to use it, hopefully I will not break my installation again [11:41] <dalamar> apokryphos, i see, i'll admit myself I've yet to try that one yet [11:41] <robotgeek> alllanon: okay, i couldn't see any preferences ther eto change it? [11:41] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell FiRez about e [11:41] <dalamar> though I've heard of it [11:41] <beniamino> apokryphos: do you know if sun-j2re1.5 will come back? or where i can find out? [11:41] <apokryphos> beniamino: you can use the other repo I linked you to [11:42] <robotgeek> alllanon: it plays fine if i pause and play back again [11:42] <robotgeek> alllanon: in fact, it plays great once i do that, but song change screws all that up [11:42] <RockFoo> How can I tell that the fglrx driver for the Radeon has been correctly installed? [11:42] <codecaine> what does "+e" mean for chat? [11:42] <alllanon> robotgeek: no, i never used it, so I don't know, but skipping when changing songs in amarok while using gstreamer (with or without crossfade) is a well-known problem. [11:42] <vitor4130> hi there! i have vlc installed in my computer but i can only see image, no sound! any idea why? thanks [11:42] <codecaine> RockFoo, run glxgears [11:43] <alllanon> some were amarok problems, other gstreamer problems. [11:43] <robotgeek> alllanon: ah okay...bmp skips when i open a firefox window :( [11:43] <confrey> hi everybody [11:43] <alllanon> hm. old computer? [11:43] <rmflagg> keegan3747, it doesn't cover gdm...only xdm. :( [11:43] <RockFoo> 345FPS on GLXgears [11:43] <dalamar> memory amount may be an issue [11:43] <robotgeek> alllanon: powerbook g4 500 [11:43] <CookedGryphon> bmp rocks.. but also skips when i dial up, not when i open firefox tho [11:44] <alllanon> robotgeek: neat, lucky you :) [11:44] <robotgeek> dalamar: i have lots of free ram :) i ue only about 256 of my 768 [11:44] <RockFoo> under xorg.conf what should the driver be labled as? [11:44] <ReleaseX> can anyone suggest a good wireless mini pci card for my laptop [11:44] <RockFoo> should it be fglrx or vesa? [11:44] <dalamar> robotgeek, ah okay obviously not lacking there ;) [11:44] <alllanon> i had performance problems, but with dmesg i found out it was all because my crappy SIS controller kept sending my drives into PIO mode. [11:44] <FiRez> RockFoo just to let you know that I got the same fps with glxgears with my TNT2 Ultra [11:44] <beniamino> apkryphos: can't see the link (this channel moves fast) -- could you post again? [11:44] <alllanon> ReleaseX: mini-pci? not pcmcia? [11:44] <RockFoo> i've got a radeon 9800 [11:45] <asfra> apokryphos: just checking to be sure: all .deb packages are ready to be installed by APT right? so I can just: ' apt-get -d whatever_package ' and then copy the /var/cache/apt/archives to another drive and then modify sources.list to get packages from that directory? thanks.. [11:45] <robotgeek> alllanon: only if i fix this thing, it would be perfect ;) [11:45] <keegan3747> rmflagg, does fluxbox show up in your sessions? [11:45] <codecaine> RockFoo, fglrx [11:45] <alllanon> beniamino: esc-p works in most irc clients. [11:45] <robotgeek> beniamino: or page up [11:45] <RockFoo> When I have the driver st to fglrx I can't boot up Xwindows though [11:46] <rmflagg> keegan3747, Fluxbox does show up in the Session menu. [11:46] <pinpoint> is there a disk defrag program for ubuntu? [11:46] <keegan3747> rmflagg, ok cool [11:46] <beniamino> alllanon: i can scroll, i just can't find the link [11:46] <alllanon> i just saw someone had gotten that wireless... airport extreme, i think to work under linux too. [11:46] <alllanon> it included using Mac-on-Linux, but still :} [11:46] <dalamar> i've got a question, dma is defaulted to on for my hdd and off for my dvd burner, I tried setting it on with hdparm and any attempt at using the drive will seriously lock the whole system .. at first I thought it was the driver for the ide controller, but it works fine with dma on for hdd .. is it the specific driver for the drive or just bad burner or what? [11:47] <_nereos> pinpoint: it's not necessary [11:47] <RockFoo> Anyone have any other ideas for my radeon problems? [11:47] <Seveas> pinpoint, you don't need that - linux filesystems don't fragment [11:47] <pinpoint> really [11:47] <pinpoint> is normal for a disk to click once in a while? [11:47] <alllanon> dalamar: doubt it is the burner. nor driver. maybe cable. [11:47] <robotgeek> pinpoint: also no antivirus, no anti-spyware [11:47] <alllanon> pinpoint: yep. mine does. then dies two years later. [11:47] <pinpoint> its my lappy [11:47] <alllanon> a bit hard to say if related to the click :> [11:47] <pinpoint> they always do that [11:47] <dalamar> alllanon, its using same cable as the hdd? [11:48] <ReleaseX> alllanon, mini pci [11:48] <alllanon> beep-beep-click is also usual in my hard drives. and some had this circle saw sound. [11:48] <codecaine> Seveas, how do i get some info on what channel modes are used / avail for this server? [11:48] <pinpoint> i see [11:48] <Seveas> codecaine, www.freenode.org [11:49] <codecaine> okie dokie [11:49] <Seveas> and specifically: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml [11:49] <P8ntKid> How do i isntall wine with ubuntu? [11:49] <alllanon> dalamar: hm, hm, maybe read up on ata100 cables and ata133. i don't know much about it, but i think the cables look identical, but if wrong one is used, it might send the unit into PIO mode. [11:49] <alllanon> take it with a grain of salt. [11:49] <NoUse> !wine [11:49] <beniamino> ubotu: tell beniamino about java [11:49] <sponge008> Guys, where can I DL the ubuntu source code? [11:49] <keegan3747> rmflagg, still looking, be aware I am no expert [11:49] <funkyHat> what is the name of the program that outputs keymappings of the keys you press while it's running? [11:49] <thespiritoftal> ubotu: tell thespiritoftal about wine [11:50] <dalamar> alllanon, is there a way to see if the drive is in pio? listed in dmesg perhaps? [11:50] <funkyHat> (and other info) [11:50] <NoUse> sponge008 apt-get source <program> [11:50] <rapasoft> damn, i'm tired... [11:50] <Seveas> sponge008, there is no such thing as 'the ubuntu source code'. You can download sourcecode for packages with apt-get source [11:50] <alllanon> dalamar: hdparm should be able to tell you [11:50] <dalamar> i'll check [11:50] <alllanon> dalamar: not on linux now, and can't remember the switches. [11:50] <robotgeek> funkyHat: xev [11:50] <funkyHat> thanks robotgeek, thats the one :) [11:50] <sponge008> To install Ndiswrapper, I need a "source folder", then how do I make one? [11:51] <alllanon> mkdir "source folder" [11:51] <durt> sponge008: you need the kernel headers [11:51] <NoUse> !ndiswrapper [11:51] <sponge008> but, it's supposed to be the Debian source I think [11:51] <ubotu> well, ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper [11:51] <robotgeek> funkyHat: also do a apt-cache search xmodmap , there was a graphical tool too! [11:51] <sponge008> oooh thanks [11:51] <macarthy> Anyone running MONO on Ubuntu/ AMD64? [11:51] <alllanon> i wonder if that guy installed xbiff. [11:51] <P8ntKid> How do i install WINE with ubuntu? [11:51] <yaru22> what does multiverse and universe mean? [11:51] <keegan3747> rmflagg, On the GDM login screen, select Session -> default [11:51] <keegan3747> then log in. [11:51] <keegan3747> If you want to use fluxbox as your gnome window manager, [11:51] <keegan3747> add the following line to the end of your ~/.fluxbox/startup [11:51] <keegan3747> file: [11:51] <keegan3747> exec gnome-session [11:51] <keegan3747> My ~/.fluxbox/startup file contains only the following lines: [11:51] <NoUse> !wine [11:51] <alllanon> thank you, keegan3747. [11:52] <yaru22> what does multiverse and universe mean? [11:52] <Seveas> yaru22, www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components [11:52] <funkyHat> :( the extra keys at the top of my keyboard have stopped working for no apparent reason [11:52] <P8ntKid> !wine [11:52] <yaru22> Seveas, thanks [11:52] <malin> hm, i installed quodlibet a while ago and it seems not to work [11:53] <P8ntKid> NoUse, The un ubuntuforums are down for me... [11:53] <dalamar> alllanon, do I need to throw hdparm a variable to check that? hdparm /dev/cdrom doesnt say anything about PIO ... [11:53] <Seveas> apokryphos, are you there? [11:53] <caffinated> quick question - are the ubuntu forums down? or is it just me? [11:53] <sponge008> Select the inf-file you need. Launch synaptic or whatever package management tool you prefer Install the package "ndiswrapper-utils" Call "sudo ndiswrapper -i foobar.inf" where foobar.inf is the path to your inf-file (windows wireless-lan driver). Call "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" to install the needed module. Now you can set up your working Wlan device under Desktop->Administration->Networking Dont forget to type "ndiswrapp [11:53] <sponge008> I do not understand [11:53] <alllanon> dalamar: wait, i will use google since you can't :) [11:53] <dalamar> ;/ sprry [11:53] <sponge008> I found the instructions, it's just that they don't work [11:53] <dalamar> sorry even [11:53] <sponge008> Ubuntu has no source folder [11:54] <malin> i when i run it, i got only one proccess: python /usr/local/bin/quodlibet [11:54] <alllanon> dalamar: hdparm -d /dev/hda-whatever [11:54] <malin> any ideas what's going on? [11:54] <dalamar> alllanon, only line I get from the is 'using_dma = 0' [11:54] <alllanon> i guess that is a "no", then :) [11:54] <durt> sponge008: where are you getting errors? [11:54] <dalamar> hmm this is wierd [11:55] <alllanon> that means it is in PIO mode. [11:55] <sponge008> well, I get errors when I try to make and make install [11:55] <sponge008> but you're supposed to go to the source folder to do that [11:55] <alllanon> dalamar: you will probably notice a real slowdown when copying files from cd to disk [11:55] <Xappe> darn, linuxdc++ doesn't compile on my ibook...something with the atomic.h [11:55] <sponge008> which I can't, since there isn't one in Ubuntu [11:55] <durt> you dont need to make and make install if you use synaptic [11:55] <Seveas> Xappe, use valknut :) [11:55] <sponge008> synaptic... [11:55] <durt> to get the utils [11:55] <sponge008> google/DL? [11:55] <Xappe> Seveas: never again [11:55] <sponge008> or is it installed? [11:56] <Seveas> sponge008, you're not supposed to compile ndiswrapper [11:56] <sponge008> I didint [11:56] <Seveas> the guide does not even say that... [11:56] <alllanon> dalamar: try a hdparm -d1 /dev/yourdevice? [11:56] <durt> sponge008: run "ndiswrapper" [11:56] <sponge008> I tried, nothing happenned [11:56] <sponge008> you mean the Perl exe, right? [11:56] <Xappe> Seveas: it has compiled fine before, but now they changed something about atomic that I can't figure out how to fix for ppc [11:56] <dalamar> alllanon, well never tried other than the original install, and it wasn't too slow .. burning is obviously slow with no dma but how do I get it out of PIO? is this still related to the cable? .. the hdparm -d1 /dev/device is what locks up the comp if I try to use the drive [11:56] <Seveas> sponge008, there is no such thing as a perl exe [11:57] <sponge008> perl executable file [11:57] <QbY> I installed Ubuntu on my laptop, the screen looked like crapola (epsecially gradients) so I installed the nvidia drivers from nvidia.. However now my resolution is set low, and I can't change it---any suggestions? [11:57] <alllanon> dalamar: oh. right. -d1 is to switch it from pio to dma :\ then i don't know. to you dual boot? [11:57] <alllanon> s/to you/do you/ [11:57] <dalamar> alllanon, nope, straight ubuntu [11:57] <lilldude> can you auto sum md5 sumchecker debian cds? [11:57] <Seveas> !tell QbY about res [11:57] <sponge008> sorry perl script [11:57] <sponge008> not exec file [11:57] <lilldude> i was told in comand line you could it root shell [11:58] <lilldude> i tried that and cant do it [11:58] <alllanon> dalamar: what drive do you have, by the way? [11:58] <sponge008> ANYONE????? [11:58] <QbY> anxiously.. [11:58] <Seveas> QbY: To find out how you can change your display resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto [11:58] <lilldude> how do i cehck my cds for debian? [11:58] <alllanon> dalamar: i know some plextor drives have a jumper on the back of the drive (close to where the master/slave jumpers are), and that works as a physical switch to disable DMA. [11:59] <Seveas> (apparently the bot no longer knows it) [11:59] <Seveas> lilldude, ask in #debian ... [11:59] <lilldude> oh [11:59] <jyeh> hey [11:59] <jyeh> I'm a ubuntu and linux newbie [11:59] <alllanon> and there are many of us. [11:59] <lilldude> doesnt ubuntu use same md5 sumchecker [11:59] <jyeh> and the default install correctly isntalled my ethernet card [12:00] <dalamar> its a memorex dvd16+/-dl4rw|d2 [12:00] <alllanon> *shiver*

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:38.885814

2005-08-29-#ubuntu-devel

[12:06] <seb128> martinald: what kind of reply do you expect? version? if it's installable? [12:06] <martinald> is it going to be shipped with breezy? [12:07] <seb128> yep [12:07] <martinald> ah k [12:07] <rtcm> martinald: http://packages.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/o/openoffice.org2/openoffice.org2_1.9.121-1ubuntu11/changelog [12:08] <martinald> cool. will it be out of beta by the time breezy is released? [12:08] <seb128> that's probably a question for oo.o2 guys :) [12:09] <martinald> right, let's say it's not - will updated versions be backported for breezy [12:10] <ogra> martinald, we only backport security and dataloss fixes.... everything beyond that would be a question to the backports team guys [12:11] <martinald> hm [12:11] <ogra> like in debian [12:11] <martinald> is this policy going to change? I asked a while about it and iirc there was going to be some discussion about it [12:11] <seb128> we are 2 months before 5.10 and people already want to backport stuff ... [12:11] <ogra> a stable release is sable... [12:11] <ogra> stable even [12:12] <ogra> seb128, yes *sigh* [12:12] <seb128> martinald: backports are here for people who wants to update to new versions [12:12] <ogra> martinald, thats why there is a backports team now [12:12] <martinald> yes, for example let's say it doesn't ship and there is a few critical bugs that are neither security nor dataloss but provide serious pain for a good chunk of users [12:13] <seb128> we backport fixes [12:13] <martinald> does that mean users will have to actively go out and install backports? [12:13] <martinald> as opposed to just clicking on the ubuntu update applet [12:13] <seb128> no, fixes are backported for such bugs [12:13] <ogra> martinald, we have a official backports team, no need to "go out" [12:13] <jcole> how do i trick apt into thinking a dependency exists? [12:13] <seb128> you don't [12:14] <martinald> seb128: sure, but let's say there was a problem with the word importer that was neither dataloss nor security but failed on a quite a few documents [12:14] <ogra> jcole, dependencys are there for a reason [12:14] <martinald> would you backport the fix for that? [12:14] <pitti> martinald: not for a stable release [12:14] <martinald> don't you think that's a huge problem? [12:14] <pitti> martinald: since the patch for that is probably > 1000 lines [12:15] <jcole> ogra: ya, but apt doesn't see a virtual package that is installed... so i need to tell apt it is installed (cause it really is) [12:15] <seb128> martinald: new versions also give new bugs [12:16] <jcole> i thought it was something like... apt-get install synaptic -o APT::Get::Fake-Provides="libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.9" [12:17] <martinald> seb: true. but say you ship openoffice 1.9.151 or something, but it has a bug that stops a lot of word documents opening, but it's fixed in openoffice 2.0. surely it would be a better idea to ship that update? [12:17] <ogra> jcole, rather reinstall the virtual package so that apt sees it [12:17] <pitti> martinald: if you would allow such updates, what would make a stable release stable? [12:17] <jcole> ogra: --reinstall ? [12:18] <ogra> martinald, how do you guarantee that the 90 language packs we ship for it still work, how do you make sure it doesnt break other things ? [12:18] <seb128> martinald: this has been discuted again and again, you have to put limits. Everybody clames that the new version of his favorite software fixes some stuff ... but experience shows it brings also new issues [12:18] <martinald> good point. but surely suggesting users have to wait 6 months to get major bugs fixed is a problem [12:18] <ogra> martinald, a stable release has recieved months of bugfixing and testing work... why should we break that ? [12:19] <ogra> martinald, major bugs get fixes [12:19] <pitti> martinald: that's why we try to fix major bugs *before* the release [12:19] <martinald> i've just pointed out a bug that wouldn't probably get fixed... [12:19] <seb128> martinald: you are basically saying "the version from 2 weeks before 2.0 is total crap and they automagically changed that in 2 weeks because they changed the number to 2.0" [12:19] <martinald> no i'm not [12:19] <martinald> i'm saying there is likely to be bugfixes in the final release [12:19] <seb128> martinald: and new bug will not be grabbed [12:20] <seb128> martinald: you can say that for any new version of a sotfware, it's supposed to fix bugs ... [12:20] <martinald> yes but generally new software fixes bugs surely [12:20] <ogra> martinald, you showed today that you dont like our theme, our color selection and our policy to handle stable releases, may i ask what you like on ubuntu ? [12:20] <seb128> martinald: you need to run a siftware some time to know it's stable [12:20] <martinald> that's uncalled for, i was simply debating ogra [12:20] <ogra> just out of interest ... [12:21] <rtcm> martinald: if a bug is really annoying to a lot of users it will be spotted and fixed before the release [12:21] <martinald> what do i like? many things. i love the hardware detection, installer, use of latest gnome etc etc [12:21] <ogra> martinald, thanks :) [12:22] <slomo> elmo: please sync bb from debian (aalib and slang2 transition, ftbfs fix for gcc 4.0) [12:22] <martinald> rtcm: we both know that sometimes bugs that are critical will be unspotted [12:22] <pitti> martinald: btw, if you do want new versions, breezy is for you :-) But today you told us that it is too unstable [12:22] <martinald> pitti: there is a bug in colony 3 which means i can't boot it [12:22] <ogra> martinald, critical bugs recieve fixes, even in stable releases [12:22] <martinald> that's why i'm trying the nightly cd [12:22] <pitti> martinald: that's exactly what would happen if we put new versions into stable releases [12:23] <martinald> surely a new openoffice bug wouldn't break booting? [12:23] <seb128> martinald: no but it could crash by example [12:23] <pitti> martinald: it pulls in new dependencies, and so on, so it might break your desktop, which is equally bad [12:23] <seb128> martinald: some new stable firefox broke extensions by example [12:23] <ogra> martinald, but who guarantees that it doesnt break all docs out there for example, because the fix breaks doc handling ... [12:24] <pitti> seb128: meh [12:24] <pitti> martinald: right, ffox is a nice example [12:24] <martinald> the problem is that on windows or mac you could get a binary and install it if you wanted it fixed, but you can't do that on linux [12:24] <pitti> martinald: we *did* put a new upstream version into stable, and it caused lots of trouble [12:24] <martinald> pitti: true [12:24] <ogra> martinald, you can, thats why we hae a backports team... [12:25] <martinald> ogra: ok, but does the backports team backport every new release of main software? [12:25] <pitti> martinald: epiphany broke, some extensions broke, some packages were rendered ftbfs, enigmail broke after tbird upgrade, etc. [12:25] <ogra> but that doesnt guarantee the stability we can guarantee after months of work [12:25] <pitti> martinald: once you start, you are in a mess [12:25] <seb128> martinald: if you want every new version don't use stable [12:25] <ogra> martinald, the team backports waht gets requested by users [12:25] <seb128> pitti: epiphany/warty is still b0rked (now than you speak about that) [12:26] <michele> martinald: well, you can grab binaries from OOo's website and install those [12:26] <pitti> seb128: yes, just thought about that [12:26] <ogra> martinald, but it cant track sideeffects and doesnt test as intensive as we do it [12:26] <michele> martinald: so you can have the latest version, as you do on mac and win [12:26] <martinald> what i mean is that say i have a buisness customer is using xyz package which has a bug in hoary which is uncommon but for him means that ubuntu is unusable [12:26] <martinald> but the bug is not common enough for it to be backported [12:26] <martinald> what does he do? [12:26] <pitti> martinald: then a specific backport is what he needs [12:27] <seb128> martinald: if you sell service you can backport fixes for issues reported by users [12:27] <pitti> martinald: major software like gaim, ffox, etc. is usually backported [12:27] <martinald> seb: ok, ignore customer, replace it with 'friend' [12:27] <dredg> a small script running ethtool suits my purposes for now [12:27] <pitti> martinald: do a backport yourself or ask for one :-) [12:28] <martinald> i can't backport myself. and there isn't any demand from the community to do it (being a very uncommon bug) [12:28] <dredg> but between now and the kickoff for breezy+1 i think i'll be trying to come up with a single standard way of testing for a network link [12:28] <martinald> on mac/windows i could say 'ok, just go to www.project.net and install the latest version over the top' [12:28] <ogra> martinald, if you ask the backports team, it will do the backport fo you [12:28] <pitti> martinald: you can do the same with Ubuntu [12:28] <ogra> thats what its there for [12:29] <michele> or you can always hire somebody to do the backport... [12:29] <martinald> fine, say it's a charity then [12:29] <michele> well... is network-manager in universe or main? [12:29] <pitti> and what ogra said, that's what I meant with "<pitti> martinald: do a backport yourself or ask for one :-)" [12:29] <Mez> what you want backporteD [12:29] <seb128> martinald: what do you do on IE when outlook has a bug not fixed by MS ? [12:29] <pitti> Mez: TEH WORLD [12:29] <pitti> Mez: nevermind, just theory :-) [12:29] <martinald> seb: that's different. [12:29] <ogra> Mez, nothing yet, but martinald will ask you for openoffice as soon as breezy is released ;) [12:29] <pitti> martinald: but you see, the backport guys are listening :-) [12:30] <Mez> martinald, email me - martin@sourceguru.net or ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com regarding backports stuff [12:30] <Mez> ogra: lol [12:30] <seb128> martinald: how so? [12:30] <seb128> martinald: there is some case you have bugs and that's all [12:30] <martinald> because in my scenario there is a fix availiable but due to the OS i'm running it's not available. in that situation there is no fix available regardless of OS [12:30] <seb128> martinald: you can't fix every single minor bug happening for anyone [12:31] <ogra> martinald, but we just prove that it *is* available... Mez will backport what you ask for [12:31] <pitti> "ask your local backports dealer" [12:31] <pitti> hehe :-) [12:31] <ogra> martinald, the app just wont be as heavily tested as the one in the release [12:32] <seb128> martinald: use unstable so [12:32] <ogra> :) [12:32] <martinald> ogra: ok. but what happens if mez for whatever reason can't or won't backport [12:32] <seb128> martinald: so you have every new version, good way to learn that they don't only fix bugs [12:33] <rtcm> martinald: ask/pay another person to do it for you [12:33] <ogra> martinald, if he won't just poke him even more or send him some rowdys :) [12:33] <pitti> seb128: and that's GOOD [12:33] <seb128> ;) [12:33] <pitti> seb128: imagine what happened if, say, from warty on all upstreams only fixed bugs [12:33] <pitti> seb128: breezy would be bug free, boring, and we would be jobless [12:33] <seb128> yeah [12:33] <ogra> martinald, if he cant, he has the whole distro team to ask for help [12:34] <seb128> pitti: why do you think I break the panel? Want to keep my job :p [12:34] <ogra> hah, i *knew* its intended [12:34] <martinald> well maybe you have me convinced that backports is a good idea [12:34] <ogra> *g* [12:34] <martinald> and that i'm fretting over nothing :) [12:34] <martinald> i assume backports are not turned on by default? [12:35] <seb128> nop [12:35] <martinald> how hard is it to add backports? [12:35] <martinald> for the average user [12:35] <ogra> martinald, but for your customer, it will be you who has the risk for newly introduced bugs... [12:35] <seb128> add 1 lines to the sources [12:35] <seb128> 1 line [12:35] <seb128> and click on synaptic update [12:35] <martinald> ok that's too complex for most users [12:36] <seb128> (people are never happy) [12:36] <ogra> clicking two times ? is to hard for an admin in a company at your customer ? [12:36] <martinald> i'm not saying for me ogra, i'm saying for mrs joe smith who has a problem with openoffice and would like the fix that is waiting in backports [12:36] <martinald> mr* [12:36] <rtcm> martinald: is it easier to go after some random installer on the net and clicking through an installer wizard? [12:37] <martinald> rtcm, yes [12:37] <seb128> martinald: synaptic is not harded than a website [12:37] <seb128> I don't agree [12:37] <mvo> martinald: if it's too complex to add backports, then it's maybe too complex/worrying to actually install/use backports? [12:37] <mvo> I mean, backports do not have the same level of QA as the rest of the archive [12:38] <seb128> martinald: upgrading software to new versions on a stable system is not a good idea that's why it doesn't work out of the box [12:38] <martinald> well i was thinking there should be a checkbox in the update-manager saying 'Would you like Ubuntu to search for updates which don't impede security or dataloss'? [12:38] <martinald> or something [12:38] <mvo> IMHO you can't have dead-easy and cuting-edge [12:39] <seb128> martinald: you want to push people to unstability and new bug, feel free but don't expect the distro to do that for you [12:39] <martinald> well this is the problem [12:39] <seb128> use unstable if you want that [12:39] <martinald> if you don't solve this then there will be a large amount of users who don't understand computers very well but have broken software [12:39] <martinald> and they go to the software site and they are told there is an update available [12:39] <martinald> but they don't know how to get it [12:40] <seb128> they don't bring new bugs and keep the stable tested version [12:40] <seb128> that's good :) [12:40] <pitti> martinald: btw, you can enable backports in synaptic (or at least it would be easy to allow that) [12:41] <jdub> GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS! [12:41] <martinald> pitti: synaptic is still too complex for most regular users to use [12:41] <seb128> HEY HEY HEY jdub [12:41] <pitti> Hey jdub [12:41] <ajmitch> mornign jdub [12:41] <seb128> martinald: these users just use the stable version and the security updates [12:41] <pitti> martinald: ok, but for these users it is also too dangerous to confront them with backports in the first place [12:41] <pitti> seb128: right [12:41] <martinald> pitti but on windows/mac users do this all the time [12:42] <martinald> with very little trouble [12:42] <martinald> why should it be different on linux? [12:42] <seb128> and they complain all the time about stuff not working right [12:42] <pitti> martinald: no, they don't [12:42] <seb128> I don't agree with the very little trouble [12:42] <seb128> they get bugs, they complain, etc [12:42] <martinald> i think you'll find they do [12:42] <pitti> martinald: in fact many of them don't ever install *any* software [12:42] <martinald> pitti: that isn't true either [12:42] <ogra_> martinald, most win users i know still run win98 [12:42] <pitti> martinald: my mother, the folks in my father's company, etc. - they don't touch anything [12:43] <seb128> martinald: you are speaking about people going on the web to get new software, these people are able to click on 2 synaptic options [12:43] <martinald> ok fair enough but you are not looking at the bigger picture [12:43] <pitti> martinald: many people aren't version junkies - they use what they have and get used to bugs and itches [12:43] <ogra_> martinald, with the SW they had on it in the first place [12:43] <martinald> the fact is the majority of windows users use XP [12:43] <martinald> which is very stable [12:43] <dredg> it's true. for the majority of users who do X number of tasks, provided that nothing breaks they will never change the software [12:43] <ogra_> i doubt that [12:43] <pitti> no, in companies etc. many folks still use 2K or even 98 [12:43] <martinald> pitti: look at the statistics [12:44] <martinald> well over 60% of windows machines are XP [12:44] <seb128> martinald: 40% is a good part [12:44] <martinald> and all new computers are sold with xp now, or 95% [12:44] <ogra_> martinald, in my last company XP was a no go, they still use 2k all over the place and that wnt change the next years [12:44] <pitti> martinald: and how many corporate XP users will ever touch the software? [12:44] <pitti> martinald: most of them can't even [12:44] <martinald> corporate is not the same [12:44] <pitti> also private ones [12:44] <pitti> my whole family never touches their boxes [12:45] <pitti> why should they? [12:45] <martinald> well 80m+ users have installed firefox [12:45] <pitti> martinald: my gf had used Debian in a pre-woody version for 3 years without touching anything [12:46] <martinald> fair enough pitti you can throw all this anecdoatal evidence at me but i am telling you the raw statistics [12:46] <seb128> martinald: your statistics [12:46] <ogra_> martinald, which statistics ? [12:46] <Burgundavia> martinald, 80 downloads and anyway, they installed FF because the builtin browser is crap [12:46] <ogra_> have links ? [12:46] <pitti> martinald: most version and install junkies are young home users [12:46] <martinald> www.spreadfirefox.com [12:46] <pitti> martinald: which know a bit about computers [12:47] <ogra_> martinald, about 95% of users using XP [12:47] <pitti> martinald: whoever is able to download new windows software and find/install cracks for it certainly knows how to enable backports for Ubuntu [12:47] <martinald> i said 95% of new computers are sold with XP [12:47] <ogra_> not the firefox promotion page, and please no microsofty study [12:47] <pitti> right [12:47] <martinald> that's a guess [12:47] <rtcm> martinald: hear pitti, he's reaching the point now [12:47] <pitti> martinald: that's true, but doesn't change our claim [12:47] <ogra_> martinald, so why do you say its based on statistics ? [12:48] <ogra_> if its a guess [12:48] <ogra_> hihi [12:48] <martinald> do you honestly think that less than 95% of new computers sold with windows are not sold with XP? [12:48] <pitti> martinald: I don't doubt that [12:48] <ogra_> martinald, you said most users *use* XP [12:48] <martinald> and i will provide statistics [12:48] <martinald> http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp [12:48] <ogra_> and that i doubt very much [12:48] <martinald> bit biased that one [12:49] <pitti> martinald: but most of its users won't fiddle with their configs, also not in XP [12:49] <ogra_> give me a real statistic, including all continents [12:49] <pitti> ogra_: even if they did, it doesn't change our target user for stable releases [12:49] <pitti> whether the stable version is called hoary, 2K or XP is irrelevant [12:49] <pitti> many people just stay with what they have [12:50] <seb128> martinald: by beeing a new version addict you get bugs for sure [12:50] <ogra_> pitti, nope, and its hilarious offtopic for this channel anyway, lets stop it *now* [12:50] <pitti> (apart from computer freaks, of course) [12:50] <pitti> ogra_: ok, rikght :-) [12:50] <ogra_> ;) [12:51] <martinald> http://wesnerm.blogs.com/net_undocumented/2005/07/windows_markets.html [12:51] <martinald> which says xp is at ~40% [12:51] <martinald> so i was slightly wrong [12:52] <martinald> but it shows that only 5% of users use 95 and 98 [12:52] <martinald> perhaps someone can clear this up for me: what is the target audience of ubuntu? [12:52] <pitti> that means 60% of users use software > 5 years old [12:53] <martinald> use an OS > 5 years old [12:53] <pitti> right [12:53] <martinald> many will stick with windows 2000 precisely because it lets them run all their new software [12:53] <martinald> if software forced them to upgrade to XP they would [12:53] <pitti> but that will be similar for Office etc. [12:53] <martinald> well i don't know [12:53] <martinald> i shall see :) [12:53] <rtcm> martinald: sane people I believe :-) [12:54] <martinald> i can't find any stats on office marketshare [12:55] <ogra_> mvo__, and i thought my line was crappy today... [12:55] <pitti> good idea [12:55] <ogra_> night all [12:55] <pitti> good night everynody [12:55] <martinald> ok night guys [12:55] <mvo__> ogra_: usually it's not _that_ bad. but tonight ... oh well [12:56] <ogra_> mvo__, they changed the dslam two days ago here... i drop once an hour since... [12:56] <ogra_> mvo__, night :) [12:56] <jdub> it was just pointed out to me that our kernel is built with 3.4, but our default compiler is 4.0 [12:56] <ogra_> jdub, yes [12:56] <jdub> we don't really have a nice way of getting, say, "kernel-build-essential" ;) [12:56] <jdub> that'll be a gotcha for some users [12:56] <ogra_> jdub, poke fabbione [12:57] <mvo__> night ogra_ (and everyone) [01:16] <Burgundavia> jdub, should we put a seperator between the categories and g-a-i on the applications menu? It looks quite quished [01:16] <jdub> the separator was intended - if it's not there, please file a bug [01:16] <wasabi_> Hmm. So me and my boss (long time UI designer) just sat down in front of OS X and argued about UI design. [01:17] <wasabi_> It has occured to me that listing Home Directory in the Places menu is not helpful. [01:17] <wasabi_> OS X does it too. ;) [01:18] <Burgundavia> jdub, is that -menus or g-a-i? [01:20] <luis> wasabi: you have to have *some* way to get to home, so... where else are you going to put it? :/ [01:21] <wasabi_> Why? [01:21] <wasabi_> What do you need to use your home directory for? [01:21] <wasabi_> Yeah this argument sucks. [01:22] <wasabi_> Okay, my reason for bringing this up is because my boss expressed confusion at there being two differnet ways to get to Documents [01:22] <wasabi_> And he wasn't sure what the difference between the folders were. [01:22] <wasabi_> Weither one was for everybody, or one was for just himself. [01:22] <HrdwrBoB> home directory should be desktop [01:23] <HrdwrBoB> that solves that problem [01:23] <HrdwrBoB> but makes a lot of people whinge [01:23] <spacey> my desktop would be too cluttered [01:23] <HrdwrBoB> spacey: that's not an inherent problem with it [01:23] <mdz_> wasabi_: I'm pretty sure this has been done to death upstream in gnome, and this was the only way for the desktop and unix to meet in the middle ;-) [01:24] <HrdwrBoB> that's a problem with how you manage files [01:24] <wasabi_> yeah [01:24] <wasabi_> heh [01:24] <spacey> HrdwrBoB, i know your right :D [01:24] <wasabi_> I just enjoy the UI paradigm arguments usually. [01:24] <mdz_> wasabi_: did you find any low-hanging fruit in OS X that we could borrow for ubuntu? [01:25] <mdz_> the last time I looked at it, it seemed like the major differences between it and gnome fell under the category of "bling" [01:25] <Burgundavia> mdz, pop-ups for fn keys [01:25] <HrdwrBoB> since I've changed home to be desktop, I use nautilus a lot more, since I can actually get to all my files in a sensible logical way from all access methods [01:25] <wasabi_> Well, one of the next complains was about what happens with unknown file systems. OS X fails this. You download a .sit file. [01:25] <wasabi_> And try to open it. [01:25] <wasabi_> And a new user is going to be confronted with a list of possible programs to open it with. [01:25] <mdz_> Burgundavia: how does that work? [01:25] <wasabi_> And most of them are going to be useless. [01:26] <HrdwrBoB> is the default for images now gthumb? [01:26] <Burgundavia> mdz, when you hit a fn key (brightness or sound), it pops something up showing the change [01:26] <wasabi_> And it will be set to open by default, by default. [01:26] <HrdwrBoB> because the default image viewer is completely useless [01:26] <Burgundavia> mdz, we already have a mute one [01:26] <mdz_> Burgundavia: we only recently got the keys working at all ;-) [01:26] <mdz_> on laptops anyway [01:26] <wasabi_> We don't allow unknown file types to be open at all on a double click. [01:26] <wasabi_> just noticed that [01:26] <Burgundavia> mdz_, hey, I shot for the moon. LEO is not far enough [01:26] <wasabi_> Our error message just sucks. [01:27] <Burgundavia> wasabi, the huge one? [01:27] <wasabi_> Can't Display Location \ Couldn't display "/home/jhaltom/ssl/ISIdatapro.key". [01:27] <wasabi_> No, that one sucks too, btw [01:27] <Burgundavia> mdz_, have you seen our mute key pop-up [01:28] <mdz_> no [01:28] <mdz_> I don't have a mute key [01:28] <Burgundavia> ah [01:29] <tseng> Burgundavia: i "designed" that mute key popup [01:29] <Burgundavia> tseng, it is quite nice, one minor bug [01:29] <tseng> Burgundavia: it sucked worse before, i filed a bug on several inconsistancies [01:29] <tseng> i think it was hadess fixed it up [01:29] <Burgundavia> tseng, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14062 [01:30] <jdub> Burgundavia: panel [01:30] <tseng> why did you report it there, out of curiosity [01:30] <Burgundavia> jdub, I will change it then [01:30] <Burgundavia> tseng, I have never seen it, though it was something mjg59 did [01:30] <tseng> Burgundavia: no, that was part of the old bug [01:30] <Burgundavia> ok [01:30] <tseng> what would happen was, it set the volume to zero [01:30] <Burgundavia> tseng, got a bug # for me? [01:30] <tseng> as "mute" [01:30] <Burgundavia> ah [01:31] <tseng> now it really mutes it and saves the stat [01:31] <tseng> e [01:31] <HrdwrBoB> I have a better idea [01:31] <tseng> i guess you want to go one step further and *look* like mute = 0 volume [01:31] <HrdwrBoB> it should show you the level, but grey it out [01:31] <HrdwrBoB> becaute mute != 0 volume [01:31] <Nafallo> mdz: hi! is it a possibility that some apps could have built earlier on amd64 than i386 and then still have got libcairo1 depends (timer-applet for instance)? [01:31] <Burgundavia> HrdwrBoB, yes it does [01:31] <tseng> HrdwrBoB: right. [01:31] <Burgundavia> from a user perspective it is [01:32] <mdz_> Nafallo: it's fairly unlikely; the usual method is to wait for the package to be built on all 3 architectures and then do the transition [01:32] <HrdwrBoB> as a user, I also want to know what the volume is though [01:32] <mdz_> Nafallo: if there is a specific case you're referring to, please name it [01:32] <Nafallo> mdz: I did, timer-applet on amd64 depends on libcairo1 here. [01:32] <mdz_> there may still be packages in universe which haven't transitioned yet [01:32] <tseng> Burgundavia: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140937 [01:33] <Nafallo> it was rebuilt as ubuntu2, but on amd64 that depends on libcairo1 it seems. [01:33] <wasabi_> Ok I have low hanging fruit, mdz. [01:33] <mdz_> Nafallo: that's because -0ubuntu2 hasn't built on amd64 yet [01:34] <wasabi_> OS X has the dock bar. One of the things that makes it way better than any window list is you know that when you put an icon on it, it stays where you left it. If you put it way to the left, it stays there. And it lets you quickly open your programs. [01:34] <Burgundavia> tseng, where both the bug reported and your bug fixed? [01:34] <wasabi_> It's annoying using a windows list where the order of the icons is based on the order you open the programs. [01:34] <Nafallo> mdz: aha. that was to easy to figure out for me I guess ;-) [01:34] <tseng> Burgundavia: yes [01:34] <Nafallo> mdz: thanx :-) [01:34] <Burgundavia> tseng, ok [01:34] <wasabi_> Possible solution: Let users drag window list buttons to different positions. [01:34] <wasabi_> And remember them. Somehow. [01:35] <Burgundavia> tseng, mine is actually about the visual state, not about what it actually does [01:35] <tseng> Burgundavia: it makes alot more sense to file your bug @ gnome than ubuntu to me [01:35] <mdz_> Nafallo: in fact it failed to build on amd64 and powerpc both [01:35] <mdz_> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/t/timer-applet/1.1-0ubuntu2/ [01:35] <Burgundavia> tseng, I would have, but I didn't realize that it was a non-ubuntu specific thing [01:35] <tseng> Burgundavia: ok. [01:35] <wasabi_> Probably just store something like "this app should be at position 4" and do a best effort to fulfill that. [01:36] <wasabi_> or maybe "this app should be to the left of this other app and to the right of this one". [01:36] <Burgundavia> tseng, so the control-center actually provides the pop-up? [01:36] <tseng> Burgundavia: yes [01:36] <mdz_> yay, amd64 livefs build is working again [01:36] <tseng> or it did however many releases ago i filed that bug [01:37] <tseng> Nafallo: i smell i told you it was ftbfs :P [01:37] <Nafallo> tseng: did you? :-) [01:37] <tseng> something like that, yes. [01:38] <tseng> but im starving, better go [01:39] <Nafallo> I'm not sure I would want to call that ftbfs :-P [02:23] <tseng> anyone notice metacity crashing all over the place? [02:23] <dredg> anything in .xsession-errors? [02:24] <tseng> not about that [02:26] <dredg> i'm afraid that i've no idea [03:18] <jdub> mozilla-openoffice.org -> tell me this is not a plugin for viewing OOo documents in the web browser... [03:18] <jdub> the description hints at that, but doesn't really confirm the suspicion [03:30] <wasabi> Eh. That plugin sounds sucky. [03:30] <wasabi> I am really getting PISSED at the totem plugin. [03:30] <wasabi> Why does everything have to open in the damned browser? [03:30] <HrdwrBoB> win 26 [03:30] <schweeb> fabbione: awake? [03:30] <HrdwrBoB> argh [03:30] <wasabi> If I click on a file, I just want that file to open, in all it's glory! [03:31] <schweeb> wasabi: rm it [03:31] <wasabi> I do. I just recently diverted it. ;0 [03:31] <wasabi> But then I can't view REAL embedded media. [03:31] <wasabi> Stuff that is supposed to be embedded. [03:32] <jdub> i like the totem plugin used only when it's embedded [03:32] <wasabi> Yeah. That should definatly be the way it's done. [03:32] <jdub> i wonder if we can fix that [03:32] <wasabi> Hmm. I don't see why not. Surely the browser knows. [03:33] <jdub> it's going to be some whackass mime thing [03:33] <wasabi> Yeah. [03:33] <jdub> and a bad interaction with mozilla [03:33] <jdub> should bug seb about it [03:35] <jdub> yo Gman [03:35] <mjg59> SUN SPY [03:35] <Gman> http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/horror-run-of-august-crashes/2005/08/24/1124562897210.html [03:35] <Gman> scarey! [03:35] <Gman> mjg59, i'm trying to steal your love. [03:36] <mjg59> Gman: Statistics in action [03:36] <mjg59> Oh man [03:36] <mjg59> If you steal my love, I'll have no love left for laptops! [03:36] <Gman> that's probably a good thing [03:36] <luis> mjg59: but plenty of hate and bile still, right? [03:37] <mjg59> luis: SO MUCH HATE [03:37] <mjg59> Gman: If people ask nicely enough, I'll stick all my patches somewhere useful. Despite them being gross hacks. [03:37] <T5-Steboyuk> hi guys [03:37] <T5-Steboyuk> do you know why i can't boot off a scsi disk in breezy? [03:37] <Gman> mjg59, patches for laptops? [03:38] <T5-Steboyuk> i asked in #ubuntu but no-one seems to know [03:38] <mjg59> Gman: Yeah [03:38] <Gman> that is, well, arse. [03:38] <ajmitch> afternoon [03:38] <mjg59> Gman: Of course, you can't steal them. That would be GPL infringement. [03:38] <wasabi> That's the goal of bazaar. ;) [03:39] <Gman> yeah, we've had the whole cddl/gpl thread on opensolaris-discuss with rms involved [03:39] <mjg59> Oh man [03:40] <ajmitch> that would have been fun [03:40] <mjg59> Gman: Your easiest solution is going to be to run Opensolaris under Xen with a Linux domain 0 kernel [03:40] <mjg59> That way shit will work [03:40] <mjg59> Still leaves you with problems when you want to ship gcc, though [03:41] <Gman> oh come now, 3rd party isvs will flock to opensolaris because they can develop proprietary binary drivers :) [03:41] <mjg59> Haha [03:41] <mjg59> Shame they'll need to buy a compiler [03:42] <mjg59> (I exagerate for comic effect) [03:42] <Gman> our compiler is free! [03:42] <mjg59> Though I /am/ curious as to how you're supposed to ship a compiler with OpenSolaris [03:42] <Gman> although you're right, there is somewhat unobvious agreements with the compiler stuff [03:44] <Gman> sod the free-ness of it all :) [03:44] <mjg59> Or, indeed, bash [03:44] <mjg59> What with the C library not being GPL compatible, and all [03:45] <elmo> eh, system library exception surely? [03:45] <HrdwrBoB> 'open'solaris [03:45] <elmo> tho this is kind of off-topic [03:45] <jdub> everything is a system library :) [03:46] <mjg59> elmo: Debian doesn't seem to believe that's possible if stuff is coming from the same directory of the same ftp server... [03:46] <elmo> the C library slightly more than most :-P [03:46] <elmo> mjg59: Debian or debian-legal? ... [03:46] <mjg59> elmo: Heh. I was under the impression that that was why we didn't ship KDE? [03:46] <mjg59> Back in the old days, that is [03:47] <elmo> eh, wasn't that QPL vs GPL? [03:47] <elmo> if so, not sure how you get to QT as a system lib [03:47] <mjg59> Yeah, but we could have used the system library exemption [03:48] <mjg59> By prompting QT to base [03:48] <jdub> ha ha [03:48] <mjg59> (Which would have been stupid, but still) [03:48] <elmo> or we could not ship KDE and have Trolltech dual-license QT under the GPL :-P [03:49] <mjg59> Indeed [03:49] <mjg59> So Linux distributions should refuse to ship Opensolaris until Sun dual-licenses it under the GPL. [03:49] <mjg59> Uhm. [03:49] <Gman> :) [03:50] <mjg59> Well, it /does/ provide problems when it comes to something like Debian/OpenSolairs [03:50] <mjg59> Please pretend I can type. I'm /very/ drunk. [03:50] <elmo> shocking [03:50] <jdub> I AM SO SURPRISED! [03:52] <mjg59> You wouldn't believe how many hours of my life I've spent on laptop love in the past few days [03:52] <mjg59> I think I deserve a drink. Or two. Or twenty. [03:53] <jdub> mjg59: any ideas on that weird laptop-mode interaction bug? [03:53] <mjg59> Hard drives are fucked. Or something. [03:54] <mjg59> It's *never* happened to me. On anything. [03:54] <mjg59> So it's quite difficult to track down... [03:56] <mjg59> Wah. Today I will try to make g-p-m work, and will then tidy up autoconfig of tablet PCs [03:57] <mjg59> And then deal with the HUGE pile of bugs that have been assigned to me [03:57] <elmo> did bdale ever submit those damn patches for the TC1100? [03:57] <mjg59> Did bdale have any? [03:57] <elmo> and/or did you/someone get one as part of LAPTOP-MADNESS? [03:57] <elmo> he said he had three [03:57] <mjg59> I've just implemented half of his kernel patches as 5 lines of shell [03:57] <elmo> but had been scared by bugzilla as a small child and avoided it since [03:57] <elmo> ok [03:57] <mjg59> The other one is awkward [03:57] <mjg59> The third is upstream [03:58] <elmo> what's the last two? [03:58] <mjg59> 1) Random broken shit that's been fixed in Breezy [03:58] <mjg59> 2) Enable/disable wireless [03:58] <mjg59> (2) is surprisingly awkward [03:59] <elmo> oh? [03:59] <mjg59> I've got a TC1105, which is a cheaper TC1100 [04:00] <mjg59> With the exception of wireless stuff, pretty much everything ought to work in Breezy [04:00] <elmo> (I discovered the lover of hardware wifi-cut off with this temporary i386 laptop.. how INTUITIVE) [04:00] <mjg59> Think yourself lucky that you don't have an amd64 laptop [04:00] <mjg59> With luck, we'll sort that stuff out before Breezy [04:01] <elmo> dude, znarl DOES have one and I'd kind of like him to have a working laptop :p [04:02] <mjg59> elmo: Seriously, half of the misery is HP BIOS bugs [04:02] <mjg59> I'm in touch with them, but haven't got far yet [04:02] <mjg59> The rest can be dealt with. Probably. [04:02] <elmo> are non-big-four laptop's BIOS likely to be better or worse? [04:02] <elmo> e.g. fujitsu or samsung [04:02] <mjg59> But the BIOS throttles the CPU to 13% of full speed when the temperature gets above 16 degrees [04:02] <mjg59> In general, worse [04:03] <mjg59> When it comes to amd64, christ knows. Everyone seems to see "amd64" and think "OH MY GOD HOW MUCH CRACK CAN WE SHOVE IN HERE" [04:04] <jdub> BIOS are bad [04:04] <mjg59> Anyway. Sleep now. [04:04] <mjg59> See you funsters in the morning [04:05] <elmo> heh, night mjg59 [04:05] <jdub> sleep well, enebriated one [05:15] <lamont> I/O error : Attempt to load network entity http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.2/docbookx.dtd [05:15] <lamont> what was the fix to that again? [05:16] <elmo> point the file at a local copy [05:16] <elmo> of the DTD [06:52] <daniels> mdz_: please also set DEBUG_XORG_DEBCONF=user around the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg call in casper [06:53] <mdz_> I thought DEBUG_XORG_PACKAGE implied DEBUG_XORG_DEBCONF [06:55] <daniels> mdz_: nope [06:55] <daniels> mdz_: i think I'm just going to make them imply each other and be done with it [06:56] <mdz_> sounds fine to me [07:08] <infinity> mdz_ : Do I need to fill out a MainInclusionReport to get linux32 seeded? [07:09] <infinity> mdz_ : It's a bit of a necessity for foolproof package building on powerpc64/sparc64/hppa64 systems. (The buildds are running in linux32 environments as of today, since elmo gave me shiny new ppc64 kernels) [07:09] <mdz_> infinity: is it completely trivial? [07:09] <fabbione> morning [07:10] <infinity> mdz_ : Very. It just sets the kernel personality, which has very little effect except altering the output of uname -m [07:10] <mdz_> infinity: it's like one 2k binary or something, right? [07:11] <infinity> 4k, but yes. [07:11] <mdz_> I think we can sneak it in...but if it turns out to have some completely crackful packaging bug or something, we'll be coming after you [07:11] <jdub> with sticks [07:11] <infinity> Big ones? [07:11] <infinity> Yay. [07:11] <jdub> dipped in banana yoghurt! [07:11] <mdz_> pointed sticks [07:11] <daniels> just deprive him of hot dog sausages. he won't be able to live. [07:11] <mdz_> and fresh fruit [07:12] <infinity> Let's see, it has zero bugs, and is so ridiculously flawless that is hasn't been update/uploaded since December 2004. [07:12] <infinity> I think it's safe. :) [07:12] <daniels> deprive him of fresh fruit, or other? [07:12] <daniels> because no-one wants scurvy. [07:12] <daniels> (incidentally, I sort-of-know two people who got it, but I digress.) [07:13] <jdub> yeah, uni students eating dogfood tend to get scuvy [07:13] <infinity> mdz_ : I'll seed it to supported right now, then. Feel free to sharpen a stick in preparation. [07:14] <infinity> mdz_ : I just don't feel comfy about running anything (even something this trivial) on the buildds that we don't support. [07:14] <fabbione> infinity: sooooo... you like ppc64 on the buildd's.. don't you? [07:14] <infinity> fabbione : I'm liking it so far. [07:15] <wasabi> I need a little bit of basic C help. I'm working in pmount. I added a new function, do_setup_loop(char * device, char * loop_device). It runs if pmount is trying to mount a file, and creates a loop back device for it before continuing. [07:15] <daniels> jdub: in this case it was fish and chips for about six months on end, but yeah. [07:15] <fabbione> infinity: stock kernel or custom? [07:15] <infinity> fabbione : About to do a mass give-back to see which mysterious failures spontaneously go away. [07:15] <wasabi> Error: unable to create loopback device: Value too large for defined data type [07:15] <wasabi> perror( _("Error: unable to create loopback device") ); [07:15] <wasabi> I'm guessing perror looks up the message from some global number? [07:15] <fabbione> infinity: ehehhe plenty.. [07:15] <infinity> fabbione : Definitely a custom config, you'd have to ask elmo if it's from your stock sources. [07:15] <fabbione> infinity: yes i am sure it's from the stock source... [07:16] <fabbione> infinity: but custom config.. that's what we usually do/he usually does [07:18] <wasabi> oh well im going to bed will try again tomorrow [07:19] <infinity> fabbione : I think the plan is to run a truely stock kernel on at least one buildd of each arch, to stress test them. But don't quote me on that. [07:19] <fabbione> infinity: yeah.. don't worry.. :) i am not going to crossburn you if we don't [07:21] <fabbione> mdz_: what's the situation with the CD's? [07:21] <fabbione> did they get fixed? [07:22] <mdz_> fabbione: they are built [07:22] <mdz_> but I cannot test them right now [07:22] <mdz_> I would very much appreciate if you guys would test them [07:23] <fabbione> mdz_: yup.. ok.. rsyncing now [07:25] <`anthony> wooo google talk goes live. [07:25] <luis__> that is so two hours ago. ;) [07:26] <`anthony> luis__: Yeah, but it's still cool. Pity they've gone live without documenting their xmpp based calling protocol :-( [07:27] <luis__> yeah, indeed. [07:27] <`anthony> can I be bothered right now to reverse engineer it, or do I wait for them to document it... [07:33] <\sh> morning [07:34] <ajmitch> morning \sh [07:34] <\sh> guys...google uses jabber [07:35] <luis__> yah [07:35] <\sh> http://www.kron4.com/Global/story.asp?S=3757295 [07:35] <\sh> http://tomservo.cc/blogs/english/archive/2005/08/23/48.aspx [07:35] <luis__> http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=24073 <- instructions for gaim :) [07:36] <\sh> gajim works as well [07:36] <ajmitch> good to see jabber getting someone pushing it :) [07:37] <\sh> they doesn't support the SVR dns records, so u have to setup the "connecting to host" stuff..so shr591@gmail.com is my jid at google...if anyone wants to try [07:38] <luis__> ajmitch: yeah; nice to see momentum behind open standards [07:39] <\sh> ajmitch: until now google only opened the service..when they're pushing new services in then jabber is ready to rule the propietary IM world [07:45] <`anthony> well, they've got an (undocumented) xmpp extension for doing voice calls, as well. yay! death to sip ;) [07:46] <`anthony> \sh: Yeah, we're playing with it at work talking to each other. seems to work fine. [07:46] <\sh> `anthony: what? The last time I talked to Peter he said, they're working on the JEP and Ulrich Staudinger never said a word...argl...I will kick them [07:47] <luis__> \sh: they say in their page that they will support sip 'soon' [07:47] <luis__> but in the meantime they have their own protocol that they will document [07:47] <`anthony> http://www.google.com/talk/developer.html#protocols [07:48] <`anthony> I don't mind, so long as they write it up soon, because otherwise I was going to look at writing the fucker myself. [07:49] <\sh> `anthony: hmm...that sounds really good...and regarding UDU Goals I'm quite excited about this... [07:49] <\sh> one client for everything...based on opensource standards [07:49] <`anthony> \sh: yep. [07:50] <ajmitch> \sh: you'll roll it into the shtoom goal? [07:50] <`anthony> doesn't even have to be one client. one network is what's important. [07:50] <\sh> ajmitch: that's one thing I wanted to do...signaling SIP calls via jabber [07:50] <`anthony> open protocols, open networks, open source. [07:50] <ajmitch> \sh: that would be great [07:50] <ryanthiessen> have any of you been able to connect the talk.google.com to an outside jabber server? [07:50] <`anthony> \sh: You're not the only one. [07:50] <\sh> ryanthiessen: no [07:50] <\sh> ryanthiessen: it's not configured..and SVR records doesn't work either [07:50] <`anthony> ryanthiessen: Nope, looks like the federation isn't set up yet. [07:51] <ryanthiessen> I do hope they support that eventually [07:51] <\sh> `anthony: seeing that you're the famous shtoom guy :) I would like to have u on board for this project...*run* [07:52] <ryanthiessen> \sh, you asked for bugreports for gajim, and I'm happy to say that it works fine with google :-) [07:52] <`anthony> \sh: it's on my list of goals for shtoom for the next few months. [07:52] <\sh> `anthony: so we can work together on this adventure? [07:53] <\sh> ryanthiessen: it works fine as well with other jabber servers :) [07:56] <doko> good morning [07:56] <\sh> oh damn...I have to go back to the office [07:56] <\sh> only 3 hours of sleep is not enough [07:57] <ajmitch> \sh: coffee [07:57] <\sh> good morning doko :) [07:57] <ajmitch> morning doko [07:58] <\sh> ajmitch: I went to office at 3:00 UTC, worked on a change request, and went back home one hour later..just went to bed again..and one hour later..I'm sitting here :) [07:58] <\sh> and have to go back..:( [07:58] <ajmitch> \sh: you're crazy [07:58] <ajmitch> no wonder you turn to ubuntu for comfort :) [07:59] <\sh> hahaha [08:00] <\sh> ok...preparing to head to office...laters :) [08:06] <fabbione> daniels: any news for the fixed mesa ? [08:10] <luis__> gnome-app-install has gotten quite nice- congrats, guys [08:10] <luis__> mdz: don't know if you care or not, but my livecd on top of your daily of yesterday seems to work pretty well [08:12] <pitti> Good morning, world [08:13] <fabbione> hey pitti [08:13] <infinity> Good morning, Mr Piiii-iiitt! [08:13] <ajmitch> hi pitti [08:14] <daniels> fabbione: i've bene working on the serve,r but uploading now [08:16] <fabbione> daniels: great thanks [08:45] <jdub> so how much ugliness can we rip out of the pre-usplash boot process [08:45] <jdub> there's grub poo [08:45] <jdub> then the single audit blabber from the kernel [08:45] <jdub> which should probably be killed by 'quiet' [08:46] <Treenaks> I get a few "hda3: No such volume group"-like messages after that [08:46] <Treenaks> and then usplash comes up [08:46] <infinity> As do I. I assume that's an initramfs bug/misfeature, though. [08:47] <lathiat> yeh ditto [08:47] <lathiat> one thing i noticed is that initrams seems to take alot of time to start booting [08:47] <bob2> more than an initrd? [08:47] <lathiat> yes [08:47] <lathiat> significantly [08:47] <lathiat> like 4-5 seconds [08:47] <bob2> yay for suspend-to-ram then ;) [08:47] <lathiat> heh [08:48] <bob2> is suspend-to-disk any faster in 2.6.12? [08:48] <infinity> Hard to qualify, since it never worked on my machine until just recently. [08:48] <bob2> you're right, it's all about frozen bubble splash screens ;) [08:48] <lathiat> bob2: what the hell else do you want!? [08:48] <infinity> So, I'm comparing an old Celeron 550 to a new Pentium-M 2GHz, and yeah, it's faster now. <smirk> [08:49] <bob2> hah [09:17] <pitti> infinity: out of interest, do our buildd chroots update theirselves regularly? (build-essential and so on) [09:20] <siretart> morning [09:20] <siretart> bob2: ping :) [09:21] <infinity> pitti : Yes. Once daily. [09:21] <pitti> infinity: cool, thanks [09:26] <pitti> Moin mvo [09:30] <mvo> hey pitti [09:33] <fabbione> daniels: do you remembe what do i need to export in the enviroment to use X -dbg libraries? [09:34] <Mithrandir> fabbione: gdb should do that automatically, IIRC? [09:34] <fabbione> Mithrandir: i am not sure... [09:35] <fabbione> oh yeah [09:35] <fabbione> it does [09:55] <fabbione> daniels: i need your help.. there is a regression in either xterm or libxt [09:56] <fabbione> basically xterm from hoary was using XTerm-color as default and if the file was not there, it was switching back to XTerm [09:56] <fabbione> (/etc/X11....) [09:56] <daniels> that'd be a regression in xterm then, I guess [09:56] <fabbione> now it uses as default class XTerm [09:56] <fabbione> it searches from XTerm-color [09:56] <fabbione> but in the wrong place... [09:56] <daniels> fabbione: look at xterm then [09:56] <fabbione> daniels: i am not that sure... [09:57] <fabbione> because xterm invokes XtOpenApplictions to read these files [09:57] <fabbione> i can't see any code that takes care of that directly in xterm [09:57] <fabbione> and that happens inside main [10:03] <DrSpin> can I bug you guys about something for a sec?? I wanted to ask some questions before I filed a bug report... [10:03] <daniels> it was probably a change to xterm to read XTerm-color resources first. somehow I doubt libXt has a special case for xterm ... [10:04] <fabbione> daniels: it still reads XTerm-color first, but in the wrong place [10:04] <daniels> fabbione: define 'wrong place' [10:04] <fabbione> it searches first in ~ but not in /etc/X11... [10:05] <fabbione> as soon as it can't fine XTerm-color in ~ it tries XTerm, first in ~ and then in /etc... [10:05] <fabbione> the latter succeed [10:05] <DrSpin> when I logout of my X session whether in XFCE or GNOME, I have trailing applications that don't close -- specifically dbus-daemon-1 and gam_server -- can't seem to get anyone to help me troubleshoot this but I had the same problem on this box before a reformat and again before another reformat -- this is with a clean home DIR and clean config files for the ENTIRE OS [10:06] <jdub> DrSpin: they time out after a while [10:07] <DrSpin> jdub: so having 15 instances running doesn't hurt anything?? [10:09] <jdub> if you have 15 users who have just logged out, no [10:10] <jdub> if you have 15 instances running for a single user that never time out, yes [10:11] <DrSpin> jdub: I have 2 users on this system -- I like to leave my box on for days at a time -- I'll leave town for the weekend and come back and still have dbus-daemon-1 laying around -- [10:11] <DrSpin> not sure about gam_server -- only noticed a parallel recently [10:12] <daniels> fabbione: no idea, sorry [10:14] <DrSpin> jdub: if I should just ignore this, is there any documentation on how long they stick around?? I'm somewhat anal and if a user is logged out anything associated with that session *should* in my head at least, no longer exist -- [10:14] <DrSpin> unless it's a service or system app -- but as a regular user... [10:15] <fabbione> daniels: ok.. we will figure it out [10:17] <ogra> morning [10:19] <jsgotangco> hi ogra [10:21] <\sh> remoins [10:25] <ogra> remoins ? hehe [10:29] <DrSpin> jdub: if I should just ignore this, is there any documentation on how long they(dbus-daemon-1 && gam_server) stick around?? [10:39] <\sh> ogra: 7:00 localtime I was sitting here ,-) [10:39] <ogra> meh [10:51] <\sh> morning sabdfl [10:51] <pitti> Hi sabdfl [10:52] <sabdfl> morning all [10:52] <pitti> seb128: okay for you if I package g-v-m 1.3.6? [10:52] <Mithrandir> mjg59: do you have your amd64-x86emu-crack-vbetool somewhere? [10:52] <pitti> seb128: there is also 1.5.0, but I think we should rather stay with 1.3 in Breezy [10:53] <seb128> hey pitti [10:53] <seb128> pitti: sure, I was not going to touch it anyway, g-v-m is yours :) [10:53] <seb128> I've enough to do with my toys :) [10:53] <pitti> ok [10:57] <pitti> seb128: one question: what's preferable, calling nautilus-cd-burner, or "nautilus --no-desktop burn:" [10:57] <pitti> ? [10:58] <jdub> the second [10:58] <pitti> ok [10:58] <jdub> saves letting n-c-b doing it for you ;) [10:58] <pitti> the latter is the new g-v-m default [10:58] <infinity> doko : Dude, you're about 2 weeks behind the times. [10:58] <pitti> so I don't need to change it [10:59] <seb128> pitti: what jdub said :) [10:59] <seb128> grrr [10:59] <seb128> 80 bugs mail since monday [10:59] <daniels> seb128: ?!? [10:59] <daniels> seb128: why don't you have my bug mail [11:00] <seb128> I've enough with these ones, thanks :p [11:01] <doko> infinity: ? [11:02] <infinity> doko : libgl1-xorg is dead. [11:02] <infinity> doko : I'm uploading OOo2 again to fix that. :) [11:03] <doko> infinity: doesn't it build at all? [11:03] <doko> it's fixed for the m125 uploads, so if it builds, no other upload is needed [11:04] <infinity> doko : libgl1-xorg?... It builds right now, but not with the next X upload. Have yo unot noticed all the xorg -> mesa changes I've been making i nthe last week? :) [11:04] <siretart> infinity: libgl1-xorg dead? then I hope #14017 will be fixed soon, else no direct rendering ;) [11:04] <doko> infinity: as I said, fixed for m125 ... [11:05] <infinity> doko : Kay, so it suggest libgl1-mesa now? [11:05] <doko> yes [11:05] <infinity> doko : Fix the package description for s/xlibmesa-gl/libgl1-mesa/ too. [11:05] <daniels> siretart: it's i810-specific [11:05] <doko> infinity: fixed as well [11:06] <siretart> daniels: oh. I thought it was a general problem with libgl. ok [11:06] <\sh> guys..problems with seahorse-agent [11:07] <\sh> hmmm... [11:07] <daniels> siretart: if DRI was broken in general, I wouldn't have uploaded the new mesa [11:15] <madduck> is the date and location for the next ubuntuconf already set? [11:15] <jdub> madduck: see the ubuntu-announce archives [11:15] <jdub> it was announced today [11:15] <madduck> weird. i am subscribed there... [11:15] <madduck> well, i guess i'll just have to wait... [11:15] <madduck> jdub: thanks anyway. [11:15] <pitti> Hi madduck [11:15] <jdub> it'll be on the web archives [11:15] <madduck> pitti: how are you? [11:16] <pitti> fine, thanks; and you? [11:16] <pitti> packaging a new g-v-m, it's really fun this time :-) [11:16] <madduck> lol [11:16] <madduck> i am ok. struggling to make a 180 degrees turn in my life without making too many enemies [11:17] <madduck> "OCT30 -> Ubuntu Love Day (Interesting to Everyone)" -- i bet. :) [11:17] <\sh> madduck: divorced? ;) [11:18] <madduck> \sh: nah, quite the contrary. i *did* have a great confrontation with my g/f this morning at 4am when she rose up from deep sleep and thought that there was nothing more important than to discuss the future of our relationship. [11:18] <madduck> but you didn't want to hear that. [11:19] <mvo> anyone here with a ppc desktop that runs breezy? I would like to know if you see update-notifier consuming 100% cpu after a recent upgrade [11:19] <mvo> (just got a bugreport from a ppc user and I can't reproduce it here) [11:20] <\sh> madduck: hehe :) I know this all :) I made my 180 Degree turn last year...and I'm not recovered completly from it :) [11:21] <madduck> sounds reconfirming. [11:23] <pef> hello [11:23] <\sh> madduck: at least starting a single life agian from scratch is an adventure [11:24] <madduck> i sometimes wish... [11:24] <madduck> damn. flight to montreal comes in at 700 EUR. [11:25] <ogra> madduck, you can try to get sponsoring... see the attendees subpage on the wiki [11:26] <madduck> ogra: i am not active enough, not am i from the Americas. [11:26] <madduck> but i can try. [11:26] <pef> ogra: hi [11:26] <ogra> madduck, trying is cheap ;) [11:27] <ogra> haha, after i made the uzpgrade of about 150 packages, now update-notifier says there are upgrades available... [11:27] <ogra> mvo, your app is a bit late ;) [11:28] <mvo> ogra: are there still upgrades available now? or does the arrow point into the void? [11:28] <ogra> mvo, nope... it closed itself after the notification... [11:28] <pitti> mvo: btw, this morning I got two arrows... [11:29] <pef> a motu available to check my package ? (1 vote missing) http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=413 thanks ! [11:29] <ogra> pitti, i had this yesterday... (if you mean the popup bubbles) [11:29] <mvo> pitti: yes, I got a bug about it, I think it's actually two notification windows that are overlapping, but I haven't invetigated it enough yet [11:35] <{Seb}> i've been looking around [11:35] <{Seb}> and there is still no wv-dev package in breezy [11:36] <ogra> pitti, * Starting Hardware abstraction layer: [11:36] <ogra> run-parts: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/20hal exited with return code 1 [11:36] <ogra> * Starting Power management daemon: [ ok ] [11:36] <ogra> invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "restart" failed. [11:36] <ogra> ^^^^ recent upgrade [11:36] <{Seb}> beagle uses wv for searching MS Word files and without wv-dev [11:36] <pitti> ogra: did you stop it before? [11:36] <{Seb}> i have to build wv-dev from scratch [11:36] <{Seb}> i've put it into malone [11:36] <ogra> pitti, nope, the upgrade script... [11:36] <pitti> ogra: p-m's upgrade script is not supposed to restart hal... [11:37] <ogra> pitti, i havent cleaned the pre/postinst of PowerManager yet [11:37] <{Seb}> is that the correct thing to do? [11:37] <ogra> pitti, yes, but hal is not supposed to fail on dbus restarts i guess [11:37] <pitti> right [11:37] <pitti> ogra: I'll look into it [11:37] <pitti> ogra: hald is *very* hard to kill [11:37] <ogra> and i'll clean the postinst :) [11:37] <pitti> I already did some extra measures [11:37] <pitti> ok [11:38] <{Seb}> what is the difference between the bugzilla, launchpad and malone? [11:38] <pitti> ogra: $ sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart -> WFM [11:39] <ogra> hangs here [11:39] <ogra> on * Starting Hardware abstraction layer: [11:39] <ogra> ah, now the same error [11:39] <ogra> run-parts: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/20hal exited with return code 2 [11:39] <pitti> ogra: please check if there is still an old process [11:39] <pitti> ogra: sudo killall hald [11:39] <pitti> ogra: and do it again [11:40] <ogra> ah, yes, there still is an old process [11:40] <ogra> ok, now it starts cleanly.... [11:40] <ogra> lets try restart [11:41] <ogra> yup [11:41] <pitti> ok, so sometimes hald doesn't want to die... [11:41] <ogra> might have been the old version [11:41] <pitti> I'll apply some more force in /etc/dbus-1/event.d/20hal [11:41] <ogra> i didnt upgrade for some days... [11:42] <pitti> ogra: did the stop part fail? [11:42] <ogra> it didnt say so... [11:43] <ogra> but it obviously failed, since there was a process left [11:43] <pitti> ok [11:52] <jsgotangco> hey hno73 [11:53] <hno73> jsgotangco: hey [11:59] <Mithrandir> does anybody understand what the guy in 9799 is actually trying to say? [12:00] <jsgotangco> it seems to be a problem in enigmail rather than a thunderbird issue [12:01] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: Yikes, that doesn't even _look_ like English [12:01] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: it looks like english, but falls flat on its face when parsed. [12:01] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: ok, true [12:02] <Mithrandir> ogra: can you verify that 10290 works for you? [12:03] <ogra> Starting nmap 3.81 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2005-08-24 12:03 CEST [12:03] <ogra> Failed to determine the netmask of ! : No such device [12:03] <ogra> hmm [12:04] <ogra> i have a lo [12:04] <seb128> \sh: Debian has a gajim 0.8 package using CDBS, why do you remake it to use debhelper? [12:04] <ogra> Mithrandir, but it doesnt crash apparently... [12:04] <Mithrandir> ogra: can you do an apt-get --reinstall install nmap and see if you still see the problem? [12:06] <ogra> Mithrandir, same [12:06] <ogra> Mithrandir, but according to comment #1 its not supposed to work and it doesnt crash [12:07] <ogra> so i would see it solved [12:09] <Mithrandir> ogra: does nmap 127.0.0.1 work for you? [12:10] <Mithrandir> -oO 127.0.0.1 SIGSEGVs for me now. [12:12] <pitti> ogra: fixed hal, uploaded now [12:18] <ogra> pitti, can i poke you to have a look at the python-pysqlite2 inclusion report soon...? it gets a bit awkward to spam the buildlogs with gcompris the whole day... its the last package that holds up edubuntu-desktop.... and i think this report a no brainer [12:21] <pitti> ogra: yep, just finished with my other stuff, I do some reviews now [12:21] <ogra> yay, thanks a lot :) [12:24] <pitti> sjoerd: ping [12:37] <pitti> doko: why is bsh in multiverse ATM? [12:38] <doko> pitti: ENOCLUE, better ask elmo ... [12:39] <Mithrandir> pitti: it needs javacc to build, iit [12:39] <Mithrandir> iirc [12:39] <pitti> elmo: why is bsh in multiverse? [12:39] <pitti> Mithrandir: yes, but javacc is in universe [12:39] <Mithrandir> pitti: it might be hysterical raisins, then. javacc used to be very non-free [12:39] <pitti> ok [12:40] <pitti> doko: btw, what did change in OOO recently that it needs a whole new bunch of build-deps? [12:42] <doko> pitti: using the packages, and not the sources included in the OOo2 source [12:42] <pitti> ah, ok [12:42] <doko> besides mdbtools, for which I'm writing a report now ... [12:42] <doko> (for opening Access databases) [12:47] <pitti> doko: can you please create a separate page for mdbtools? [12:47] <pitti> FWIW, I just released the lock on OOO2deps [12:47] <infinity> ogra : Is that one MainInclusionReport the only thing standing between us and gcompris building? It's the only thing in main that still has alibcairo1 dependency. [12:48] <doko> pitti: ok [12:56] <doko> pitti: done, ready for review ;-) [12:56] <pitti> thanks [01:07] <pitti> ogra: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportMoodle [01:10] <ogra> pitti: i havent come around to fix the wwwconfig-common stuff yet [01:10] <ogra> i'll fox the recommends too then, thanks [01:11] <ogra> (and i cant do anything about the sce. history, sorry :) ) [01:11] <ogra> sec. even [01:17] <Mithrandir> yay [01:19] <sjoerd> pitti: pong [01:29] <ogra_ltsp> pitti, what do i have to do for mediawiki ? moin is no option for edubuntu [01:29] <fabbione> ogra_ltsp: what's the installer option to get ltsp install [01:29] <fabbione> ? [01:30] <ogra_ltsp> fabbione, there is none [01:30] <ogra_ltsp> fabbione, install ltsp-server-standalone and run sudo ltsp-build-client.... [01:30] <ogra_ltsp> fabbione, or even test edubuntu [01:31] <infinity> ogra_ltsp : What's wrong with moin? [01:31] <ogra_ltsp> fabbione, http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting [01:31] <fabbione> ogra_ltsp: ok.. i need to test the normal CD first [01:31] <ogra_ltsp> infinity, we committed to mediawiki, all our users (teachers denied moin for their schools...) wikipedia needs mediawiki [01:32] <ogra_ltsp> EWRONGBRACKETS [01:33] <ogra_ltsp> infinity, the most important usecase is wikipedia... i doubt they'll use it for something else, since we promised moodle [01:33] <infinity> Fair enough. [01:34] <ogra_ltsp> and we aim at schools with no online access, so they need to be able to pop in a wikipedia dvd and run it on the server [01:34] <ogra_ltsp> thats why it needs to be in the default install [01:34] <ogra_ltsp> it == mediawiki [01:35] <ogra_ltsp> pitti, is there really no way ? [01:37] <pitti> ogra_ltsp: I just wrote down my feeling; if we have to support it, so be it [01:37] <pitti> ogra_ltsp: I just didn't know why moin is no option [01:37] <pitti> sjoerd: Hi! [01:38] <pitti> sjoerd: recently I uploaded a whole lot of new utopia crack [01:38] <ogra_ltsp> pitti, i have the same feeling, but we commited to mediawiki at the summit... [01:38] <pitti> sjoerd: also, do you think the stuff should be uploaded to main soon? IMHO it should [01:38] <pitti> ogra_ltsp: if I have sabdf1 and you against me, then I have to bow :-) [01:39] <ogra_ltsp> pitti, so lets hear sabdfl [01:39] <sjoerd> pitti: to unstable you mean ? [01:39] <pitti> sjoerd: erm, yes [01:39] <pitti> sjoerd: the stuff just sits in experimental and nobody uses it [01:39] <pitti> sjoerd: at the same time it fixes so much stuff... [01:40] <sjoerd> pitti: i'm planning to update all the stuff in experimental this week(end) [01:41] <sjoerd> pitti: probably for debian it's best to switch when also switching to G2.12 in unstable.. that saves a lot of unneccessary G2.10 patching.. [01:41] <pitti> sjoerd: ok, right [01:41] <pitti> sjoerd: btw, for Breezy I packaged g-v-m 1.3.6 instead of 1.5.0 to stay on the safe side [01:42] <pitti> sjoerd: but 1.5.0 is certainly more appropriate for Debian [01:42] <sjoerd> yup [01:42] <pitti> sjoerd: 1.3.6 was really fun - upstream accepted all of our fixes :-) [01:42] <sjoerd> is breezy staying with the current dbus release or going to the new one that was just released ? [01:42] <sjoerd> pitti: that rocks ;) [01:43] <pitti> sjoerd: we really stay with 0.35 now, no more exceptions [01:44] <sjoerd> pitti: i'm also gonna switch to lsb init scripts, so that should make the debian <-> ubuntu diff smaller again :) [01:44] <pitti> sjoerd: cool [01:44] <pitti> sjoerd: Md uses it for udev, so it's already important anyway [01:44] <sjoerd> pitti: btw still haven't heard from the cryptsetup maintainer :( [01:46] <sjoerd> pitti: bah :( [01:47] <daniels> gar!!! [01:47] <daniels> i think the discover1 merge dropped patches, again [01:49] <infinity> elmo : Can I get mesa's new binary package shoved through NEW? [01:51] <Diziet> Joy, now I get to debug some daft thing in apt. [01:53] <Diziet> I have a typescript of it downloading some .deb which it then complains doesn't exist. (And then it goes and tries to use the fd -1 that it got out of open anyway, but that's a different problem.) [01:53] <seb128> elmo: please sync gtk+2.0 from debian incoming [01:56] <mvo> Diziet: can you send/show that script to me? [01:56] <mvo> Diziet: sounds like a bug in the new progress-reporting code [01:57] <Diziet> mvo: I've put it in chinstrap:~iwj/d/typescript [01:59] <Diziet> The progress reporting code can make it fail to find the file ? [01:59] <mvo> Diziet: no, that was about the fd that was -1 [01:59] <Diziet> mvo: Oh, right. That bit is easy to fix. [01:59] <Diziet> It's the way the file apparently vanishes that's strange. [01:59] <mvo> Diziet: is the problem reproducable? [02:00] <Diziet> I haven't tried yet. I didn't want to perturb it. [02:00] <Diziet> The way it carries on blithely after all of those errors is rather worrying. [02:01] <pitti> no worries :-) [02:01] <ogra_ltsp> :) [02:02] <mdke> who maintains ddclient? [02:02] <mdke> ah its universe [02:03] <mvo> Diziet: a strange error! did it happen on a hoary->breezy upgrade [02:04] <Diziet> mvo: Yes. I installed hoary from the i386 CD, edited the sources.list, and ran apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade. [02:06] <Diziet> AFAICT this code in apt-pkg/contrib/fileutl.{h,cc} is BAD. There is no way for (eg) FileFd::Size to actually tell its caller that it didn't work. [02:06] <Diziet> The only correct way to implement that interface has it bomb out the entire program or throw a C++ exception. Does apt use exceptions ? [02:10] <mvo> Diziet: no [02:10] <jtan325> hi i am having a slight problem when building my own debian package for a small program [02:10] <Diziet> Alternatively ::Tell and ::Size could be changed to have a reference argument for returning the answer, changing all callers. [02:11] <jtan325> i've gotten it to build with debuild, [02:11] <jtan325> i am just getting an annoying error with lintian [02:11] <jtan325> complaining about manpage-in-wrong-directory [02:11] <jtan325> i've read the man page for dh_installman [02:11] <jtan325> and have also googled [02:12] <jtan325> and my first impression was something was wrong with the man page i was provide [02:12] <jtan325> *providing [02:12] <jtan325> so i checked that, but i'm pretty sure the section number is right [02:12] <jtan325> so i tried, just to try, not even including "dh_installman" as one of the build rules [02:13] <jtan325> but i still get the same error [02:21] <Diziet> apt-- [02:23] <Diziet> This program would appear to have a fundamentally incorrect algorithm. [02:24] <mvo> Diziet: what bit exactly [02:26] <Diziet> The bit where it replaces libc6 with a version whose dependencies aren't met by the current system and then refuses to start because libc6-dev has unmet dependencies. [02:27] <Diziet> (in between it had bombed out due to another error) [02:33] <Diziet> (err, the first libc6 in that sentence should read libc6-dev) [02:34] <doko> daniels: after reboot the mouse wheel stopped working, current breezy amd64, ZAxisMapping however is defined [02:35] <fabbione> mdz: daily install looks good here [02:35] <daniels> doko: i believe this is a kernel bug [02:35] <fabbione> doko: what if you unload/reload mousedev ? [02:36] <fabbione> doko: do you still have /dev/input/mice and /dev/psaux? [02:36] <fabbione> if so -> X [02:36] <fabbione> no recent kernel upgrades did touch the mouse [02:37] <daniels> fabbione: nothing in the mouse code has changed [02:38] <daniels> fabbione: (in X) [02:38] <daniels> or input handling [02:38] <fabbione> daniels: hotplug... [02:38] <daniels> doko: if you can narrow it down to which version of xserver-xorg broke it (or which version of the kerenl, even better), that would rock [02:38] <fabbione> i think we can blame hotplug or udev :) [02:38] <daniels> fabbione: hotplug is suppressing scroll wheel events but nothing else? [02:39] <fabbione> daniels: the effect i see here is that mousedev is loaded too early.. [02:39] <daniels> ah, ok [02:39] <fabbione> so i don't get anymouse at boot [02:39] <daniels> keybuk's fault. score. [02:39] <fabbione> rmmod modprobe fixes it [02:40] <HiddenWolf> fabbione, you might want to repeat that stuff for doko [02:40] <HiddenWolf> ^^ [02:40] <doko> fabbione: yes, both devices are created [02:40] <fabbione> doko: ok thanks [02:40] <Saba_Z> hey all [02:40] <fabbione> doko: does the mouse start to work again if you rmmod mousedev and modprobe it again? [02:41] <fabbione> hi Saba_Z :) [02:41] <doko> fabbione: while X is running? [02:41] <fabbione> doko: nope.. you can't inside X [02:41] <fabbione> you need to logout, kill gdm, rmmod/modprobe and restart gdm [02:42] <doko> I stopped X, rmmod/modprobe, started X again, same behaviour [02:42] <fabbione> the mouse needs to be fully reinitialized [02:42] <fabbione> ok [02:42] <fabbione> blame X :) [02:42] <fabbione> or check if there are data coming from the mouse moving only the scrollwheel [02:42] <doko> daniels: ^^^ [02:42] <doko> xev? [02:43] <daniels> doko: xev output would be nice, too [02:43] <doko> no, nothing from the wheel ... [02:43] <daniels> doko: stop X, cat /dev/input/mice, and generate scroll wheel events [02:44] <doko> wait ... [02:45] <Saba_Z> fabbione: i am trying to complete / test my deb package [02:46] <fabbione> Saba_Z: cool ! [02:46] <fabbione> i am looking forward to test it [02:46] <doko> fabbione, daniels: no events on the console without X [02:46] <daniels> fabbione: YOU WIN! :) [02:46] <fabbione> doko: what kernel are you running? [02:47] <fabbione> daniels: don't be so sure... [02:47] <doko> 2.6.12-7-amd64-k8 [02:47] <fabbione> becaue not all mouse events are mapped directly by the kernel [02:47] <daniels> well, something that is not X wins. [02:47] <fabbione> doko: do you have an older kernel in the 2.6.12 series around? [02:48] <doko> no, 2.6.10 only [02:48] <fabbione> doko: well you have an amd64 or there should be the morgue around... [02:48] <fabbione> if you can identify when the breakage did happen it would be slightly more useful [02:49] <Saba_Z> fabbione: is this going to be uploaded to breezy if i mail it now? [02:49] <fabbione> or look at the mouse source code/Docs in the kernel [02:49] <daniels> fabbione: the morgue has been broken for months [02:49] <fabbione> some of them have options that might need to be turned on [02:49] <fabbione> Saba_Z: i will need to check with mdz about that.. [02:50] <fabbione> Saba_Z: in theory we can upload it to universe, but i am not sure it can make main [02:50] <fabbione> not at this point in time [02:50] <fabbione> Saba_Z: but universe would still be a very good result [02:50] <fabbione> and it will speed up it's way to main for breezy+1 [02:50] <Saba_Z> fabbione: i think more test is needed if you want to add it to main [02:51] <fabbione> ok.. than complete your deb and we will push it to universe [02:51] <fabbione> little careful steps are the best towards main [02:51] <doko> fabbione: hmm, can't find deb's on morgue. aficr ekmo did stop syncing debs to morgue due to space constraints [02:52] <mvo> Saba_Z: what package is that? [02:52] <Saba_Z> ok i will send you the package in 1 hour [02:52] <fabbione> doko: well ask elmo to grab one for you when he is around... [02:52] <fabbione> Saba_Z: no rush.. i am going offline now till tomorrow morning [02:52] <Saba_Z> mvo: it is smallbusiness server [02:53] <fabbione> mvo: Google SOC [02:53] <_SWAT_> I've had this problem a few times know. I think it happens when my PC is on for a week or so. Then suddenly, when I hold a "k"button down, it's only printed once (instead of lots of k's). Anyone any idea which process is responsible for this? [02:54] <fabbione> daniels: you win! [02:58] <daniels> fabbione: hmm? [03:00] <doko> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/OOo2/ ./ [03:00] <doko> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/OOo2-powerpc/ ./ [03:00] <doko> ^^^ pitti, daniels, seb128: please could you have a look at these packages? i.e. the i386 build does have the cairo bits enabled. pitti, I currently don't have a powerpc around [03:02] <daniels> doko: ... what should I be looking at? [03:03] <doko> load a presentation with Impress, and watch it in full screen mode. That's the module that makes use of cairo [03:03] <daniels> do you have a presentation handy? [03:04] <doko> martink: do you still have the test presentations at hand? [03:04] <daniels> and, uhh ... as I said the other day, this is a really bad idea [03:05] <daniels> dri drivers just aren't stable enough [03:05] <pitti> doko: will do, but first I need to upgrade my laptop [03:05] <doko> pitti: thanks [03:05] <doko> daniels: yes, will be disabled in the final one [03:05] <doko> but it's running stable for me [03:06] <daniels> doko: uhm, ok. [03:07] <martink> doko, there was really nothing special about them, but last time (for the amd64 problems) I used these urls: http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2004/ooocon2004template.sxi and http://www.gnome.org/~michael/ukuug-2005-ooo/ooo.odp [03:11] <mvo> anyone here running breezy with scim input method? [03:29] <mdke> is Kamion on holiday? [03:30] <crispin> yes, until the 30th I think [03:30] <mdke> ok thanks [03:32] <\sh> grmpf...how can I add a source package in malone? [03:32] <\sh> source package name? [03:58] <ogra_> elmo, whats the status for the blackdown packages ? [04:16] <mvo> mjg59: the usplash in 2.6.12-7 is not yet supposed to do anything more than to display a ubuntu-screen+logo, right? [04:17] <ogra_> oh... that reminds me [04:17] <ogra_> mjg59, the picture is broken since -7 [04:17] <ogra_> (for me on amd64 with widescreen display) [04:18] <Mitario> if I want to propose an new UI layout for gksu(do) would I have to submit the patch to Ubuntu, or to the upstream maintainers? [04:20] <mvo> Mitario: upstream is kov (gustavo) from debian and he's very friendly and reponsive [04:20] <Mitario> mvo, allright thanks :) [04:21] <mvo> Mitario: there are various enhancement bugs in the BTS already, you may want to check them out first (with some really nice ideas) [04:21] <mvo> Mitario: your welcome :) [04:21] <Mitario> ubuntu bts? [04:22] <ogra_> bugzilla.ubuntu.com [04:22] <bddebian> Howdy [04:23] <mjg59> mvo: Correct [04:23] <mjg59> ogra_: Uh. Odd. [04:23] <mjg59> ogra_: I can't /think/ of anything that's changed. In what way is it broken? [04:23] <Mitario> ogra, right, thanks [04:23] <Mitario> pff have two meetings this evening, hope I'll be on time for MOTU [04:23] <ogra_> mjg59, it still works but the image is mangled.... its rather black with blue stripes [04:24] <mjg59> ogra_: Hmm. Have you changed screen expansion options at all, by any chance? [04:24] <ogra_> mjg59, but i can still recognize the rectangle thats thought for scrolling text [04:24] <ogra_> mjg59, nope [04:24] <ogra_> mjg59, only upgraded to the -7 kernel [04:24] <ogra_> i can try to take a picture for you [04:24] <mjg59> ogra_: That's... deeply odd. [04:25] <mjg59> There were no changes to the vga16 code [04:26] <ogra_> mjg59, i'll take a digi pic as soon as i can afford to reboot [04:26] <rburton> i take it too late to push dbus 0.36 into breezy? [04:26] <mjg59> ogra_: Thanks [04:26] <ogra_> rburton, far to late [04:27] <rburton> ogra_: how about a 10 line patch for a crasher? [04:28] <ogra_> rburton, talk to mdz about it if he's around... i havent seen any crashers yet... [04:28] <elmo> doko: half these zope packages are still in incoming [04:28] <daniels> ogra_: not necessarily [04:28] <elmo> doko: unless it's urgent, I'm going to leave them till they're in the archive proper [04:29] <daniels> rburton: anything compelling over .35.1? i just skimmed j5's post tbh [04:29] <rburton> http://cvs.freedesktop.org/dbus/dbus/dbus/dbus-errors.c?r1=1.27&r2=1.28 just hit me [04:29] <rburton> dbus frees then uses a string if there is an error sent over the bus [04:29] <elmo> doko: (and if it is urgent, I'm going to need a list of sync what from where, not just "all these, and please sort out the details yourself kthxbye") [04:30] <rburton> daniels: and the decent resursive type work would be useful [04:30] <mvo> ping ogra_ [04:31] <elmo> seb128: done [04:31] <ogra_> mvo, pong [04:31] <daniels> rburton: ok, I'll try to ram it in [04:32] <rburton> sweet [04:32] <Diziet> Strange splash screen> I get that too. [04:32] <mjg59> Diziet: Hrmph. [04:32] <doko> elmo: well, it would be nice, if I could on them with the SoC student. only the -cps dependencies (the third mail) should be in incoming, all other in experimental. [04:33] <mjg59> Right, I'll look into that later on [04:33] <doko> elmo: sorry, the lists are reasonable complete. Do you need them in another format? [04:34] <mjg59> Diziet: Oh, hang on. Is this on your laptop? [04:35] <elmo> > zope-atrbw_1.1-1_i386.changes [04:35] <elmo> ^-- that's in incoming for example [04:36] <elmo> doko: dude, it's very simple, I need a list of pkg_version and from what repo [04:36] <elmo> I'm not going to run around working what is where [04:36] <elmo> or you can wait till post cron.daily [04:36] <doko> ok, so <pkg> <version> <archive> ? [04:36] <elmo> sure [04:36] <doko> fine [04:40] <Mitario> mvo, do you know if gustavo is available on irc somewhere [04:41] <mvo> Mitario: kov in #debian-devel [04:43] <pitti> mvo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/shots/u-m.png [04:43] <Mitario> allright [04:43] <mvo> daniels: I got a conffile question for 'xinitrc' on hoary(fresh install)->breezy upgrade, should I report this? [04:43] <Treenaks> pitti: I see that too [04:43] <Mitario> pitti, ah, have the same thing here :) [04:43] <daniels> mvo: nah, known issue [04:43] <Treenaks> pitti: but I have a second arrow in there too :) [04:43] <Mitario> it's a bit freakier here though [04:43] <daniels> mvo: thakns though :) [04:43] <Mitario> Treenaks, me too [04:43] <pitti> Treenaks: I saw that this morning [04:44] <mvo> daniels: oki, thanks [04:44] <Mitario> mvo, btw, shouldn't you add another text option to start UM? [04:44] <Mitario> like 'Don't show this message again | List Updates' or st [04:44] <mvo> pitti: thanks, I have seen it too. can you reproduce it? [04:45] <pitti> mvo: logout/in? [04:45] <mvo> Mitario: hm, good point [04:46] <pitti> mvo: yes, relogin reproduces it [04:46] <pitti> mvo: I can't get rid of the notification by clicking on it; odd [04:46] <pitti> mvo: this works with other notifications... [04:47] <pitti> mvo: merely restarting it produces a correct result [04:49] <mvo> pitti: thanks, I see it here as well. I'll do some debugging now [04:50] <pitti> mvo: sounds like a race condition between dbus, n-d, and u-n start... [04:51] <mvo> pitti: sounds like fun ... [04:52] <\sh> doko: wth is pype? [04:53] <mpt> mvo: "Click on the update item" ... I don't see an "update item" in that screenshot anywhere [04:53] <doko> \sh: apt-cache show pype [04:53] <\sh> doko: x-app or console? [04:54] <ogra_> mjg59, http://www.grawert.net/24-08-05_1640.jpg, sorry i have only my mobile to take photos currently [04:54] <doko> \sh: line editor ;-P [04:55] <\sh> doko: ha..I hoped it was an alternative to Eric/QT on Gnome [04:55] <doko> \sh: apt-get install pype [04:56] <\sh> wuaha [04:57] <mjg59> ogra_: Ok, my guess is that you may have somehow ended up with the wrong framebuffer [04:57] <mjg59> Either that, or vga16 has suddenly got *very* screwed [04:57] <\sh> gnome popups appear...and my desktop is jumping from 4 to 2 and 3 to 1 or the other way around [04:57] <shaya> mjg59: the hdaps seems to be coming along [04:57] <ogra_> mjg59, it works as before, only the image is broken [04:57] <mvo> mpt: the arrow is supposed to give the hint. So I should add a second button text "show-updates"? [04:57] <mjg59> ogra_: Yeah. Which makes me think that it's the wrong framebuffer driver. [04:58] <mpt> mvo: If you want people to click something to open a window listing the updates, why not just open a window listing the updates, without people having to click anything? (disclaimer: that's what OS X does) [04:58] <ogra_> ogra@honk:~ $ lsmod|grep vga [04:58] <ogra_> vga16fb 12864 1 [04:58] <ogra_> cfbcopyarea 4352 2 vesafb,vga16fb [04:58] <ogra_> vgastate 9344 1 vga16fb [04:58] <ogra_> cfbimgblt 3264 2 vesafb,vga16fb [04:58] <ogra_> cfbfillrect 4864 2 vesafb,vga16fb [04:58] <ogra_> softcursor 2880 2 vesafb,vga16fb [04:58] <ogra_> mjg59, ^^^ [04:58] <\sh> seb128: help ,-) [04:58] <ogra_> looks ok to me [04:58] <mpt> mvo: The balloon is pretty and everything, but it seems like it's wasting people's time a bit (not to mention being harder to implement than just opening the window) [04:59] <mjg59> ogra_: Can you lsmod | grep vesafb ? [04:59] <mvo> mpt: it feels wrong to just open a big window without asking politly [04:59] <ogra_> ogra@honk:~ $ lsmod|grep vesafb [04:59] <ogra_> vesafb 9252 0 [04:59] <ogra_> cfbcopyarea 4352 2 vesafb,vga16fb [04:59] <ogra_> cfbimgblt 3264 2 vesafb,vga16fb [04:59] <ogra_> cfbfillrect 4864 2 vesafb,vga16fb [04:59] <ogra_> softcursor 2880 2 vesafb,vga16fb [04:59] <ogra_> mjg59, voila [04:59] <mvo> mpt: (to me at least) [04:59] <ogra_> mjg59, should they both be loaded ? [05:00] <dredg> mvo: what about providing a link in the balloon to open the window? [05:00] <mvo> dredg: yes, that sounds better to me [05:00] <mpt> mvo: As long as it doesn't grab focus, IMO that would be better than making people do an unnecessary click [05:01] <dredg> actually, a friend blogged this earlier today [05:01] <dredg> http://lbedford.org/diary/2005/08/ubuntu-breezy-colony-3.html [05:01] <HiddenWolf> dredg, nice blog, that [05:02] <mvo> mpt: the biggest blocker for that right now is probably that update-manager needs to run with gksudo [05:02] <mvo> dredg: thanks for the link [05:02] <mjg59> ogra_: Hmm. That's probably ok. [05:02] <mjg59> ogra_: Right, I'll look into it [05:03] <mpt> mvo: Well, why are you showing updates at all to someone who can't install them? [05:03] <mpt> oh, I see [05:03] <doko> \sh: you may want to have a look at spe [05:03] <mpt> they can install, they just need to enter the password [05:03] <mvo> mpt: I would like to change that, but there is no easy way to figure if a user is allowed to run sudo applications. there is a spec about it [05:04] <mpt> mvo: You don't need that [05:04] <mvo> mpt: yes, they can install, they need the password [05:04] <mvo> mpt: it would be nice to seperate that so that you don't need the password to show the updates, but that's not done yet [05:04] <mpt> mvo: You just need to ask for the password when they click the "Install Updates" button, instead of when they open the window [05:04] <Mitario> mvo, wouldn't there be a way to parse sudoers? [05:04] <pitti> doko: downloading ooo2 now [05:05] <mvo> Mitario: no, it's 600 for security reasons. we could cheat around the issue by checking for the admin group [05:05] <rburton> daniels: libgl1-mesa-dev_6.3.2-0ubuntu2_i386.deb: [05:05] <rburton> trying to overwrite `/usr/include/GL/gl.h', which is also in package mesa-common-dev [05:05] <Mitario> mpt, problem with that, you'll also need sudo access to configure software sources and update options, which are available from update-manager [05:05] <daniels> rburton: wow. i, er, suck. [05:05] <rburton> :) [05:05] <mvo> but that group was introducted only in hoary [05:05] <Mitario> mpt, anyways, why would you want to check for updates if you can't install them :) [05:05] <Mitario> mvo, ah, right [05:06] <mvo> Mitario: a google summer of code student was working on that (a way to tell what users have root access) [05:06] <daniels> rburton: new mesa thrown at the archive [05:06] <Mitario> mvo, ah that's cool [05:07] <pitti> mvo: a setuid wrapper would probably be the most reliable way [05:07] <mpt> Mitario: Exactly the same applies to putting up the balloon. [05:07] <mvo> Mitario: I was considering the "admin" group cheat, but I'm not sure if that works for everyone (i.e. people upgrading from warty to hoary to breezy) [05:08] <mvo> pitti: do you know if there is work underway on this applicaton? [05:08] <Mitario> mvo, people in the admin group don't nessesarily need to be sudoers [05:09] <Mitario> mpt, hmm, there are 2 sides on that, say an employee gets that message, he could warn his sysadmin, on the other hand, you're right that the balloon shouldn't popup to a user without admin rights, but we need a method for that then :) [05:09] <Mitario> anyhow, it is a bug yes [05:10] <Mitario> or mac os x.. [05:10] <\sh> Mitario: updates? every user get the message that there r updates..(xp like ,-)) [05:11] <Mitario> ok, well /me thinks that's the best sollution [05:11] <Mitario> say my mom gets that message, she can warn my dad that he should install the updates :) [05:12] <mpt> as a non-admin I can run Software Update [05:12] <pitti> mvo: no idea [05:13] <Mitario> true, it might be interesting for a user to see the updates, probably not though [05:13] <mpt> Presumably I'd get asked for an admin name and password when clicking "Install" (I can't test that because there are no updates available) [05:13] <Mitario> right [05:13] <Mitario> but since we don't have an adminstrator account in ubuntu [05:13] <mpt> There isn't an administrator account in OS X either [05:13] <Mitario> oh [05:14] <ogra_> Mitario, os X uses sudo ;) [05:14] <mpt> I said "an", not "the" :-) [05:14] <Mitario> ogra_ ah right :) [05:14] <mpt> Huh, that's interesting [05:14] <mpt> as a non-admin I can set my own Software Update prefs [05:14] <Mitario> anyways I think popping up at least the little red icon should be on by default [05:14] <pitti> doko: if you don't count 2 minutes startup time and slow response as a bug, writer works here (shallowly tested) [05:15] <pitti> doko: calc starts, too; anything I should test in particular? [05:15] <Mitario> mvo, oh right, IMO you should change that 'never show again' message to 'hide ballon' or something [05:15] <mpt> Mitario: Unfortunately a little red circle doesn't mean anything [05:16] <Mitario> mpt: true, so just display the balloon for everyone :) [05:16] <mvo> Mitario: it's meant as "never show again", if it is set, there will never be a ballon again [05:16] <mpt> This whole balloon thing is ... unfortunate [05:16] <Mitario> mvo, ok don't you think that's a little dangerous option to display on a balloon like this? [05:16] <mpt> Imagine if roadsigns were designed that way [05:17] <Mitario> i think the balloon thing rocks.. :) [05:17] <mjg59> mvo: The balloon doesn't align properly if you have a vertical panel [05:17] <Mitario> mvo, maybe just put an option 'Hide for now' or 'Warn me later' and put a 'never show balloons' option in g-s-p [05:17] <doko> pitti: no, how many RAM do you have? [05:17] <pitti> doko: 256 MB, G4 800 MHz [05:17] <doko> ok ... [05:17] <HiddenWolf> doko s/many/much [05:18] <mvo> mjg59: I suspected it, it's a bug in notification-daemon [05:18] <pitti> doko: the previous versions weren't faster, if you mean that [05:18] <mjg59> mvo: Ok. Should I file a bug? [05:18] <doko> pitti: but I assume it waits on something network related. [05:18] <fabbione> doko: 14092 -> Component linux <- Assignto: ben.collins@ubuntu.com . kthxbye [05:18] <doko> pitti: does the machine show some load? [05:18] <pitti> doko: no, just heavy I/O load [05:18] <pitti> doko: yep, mostly I/O, also much cpu [05:18] <mvo> mjg59: yes, please assign it to notification-daemon and to me and a screenshot would be cool as well. [05:19] <doko> swapping? [05:19] <pitti> doko: it's just normally loading all the stuff [05:19] <fabbione> doko: did you do the test i told you? or do we need to go trough them one by one? [05:19] <doko> pitti: I can only test with >= 1GB :-) [05:19] <pitti> doko: that slowliness was just bitching, never mind :-) [05:19] <mjg59> doko: You can boot with mem=256M [05:19] <doko> fabbione: what's up? we went throught the procedure [05:20] <doko> mjg59: psst ... [05:20] <fabbione> doko: i did ask you to try older kernels and to see the mouse options in the kernel doc, because the wheel works fine here [05:20] <doko> fabbione: I don't have an older kernel yet. It's on my list [05:21] <fabbione> doko: ok. [05:21] <fabbione> doko: anyway i am not the owner of kernel stuff anymore. Just assign the bugs to linux and the form will be automagically filled for you :) [05:22] <mvo> Mitario: ok, agreed [05:23] <mvo> mpt: so what can we do about the issue for breezy? [05:23] <doko> fabbione: I just wanted to give you a chance bitching around :-) [05:24] <mpt> mvo: Is the amisudoerornot.com code going to show up in time? [05:24] <ogra_> isnt that already in ? [05:25] <ogra_> its .org btw ;) [05:25] <mvo> mpt: probably not, we are in pretty deep freeze already, seb128 knows more. assuming it would, what would you suggest to do? hiding the icon complettly for non-sudoers? [05:26] <ogra_> as i understood him, its already in, but all sudoers .desktop files need a add on... [05:27] <ogra_> i'd really love to see it in edubuntu... [05:27] <ogra_> and thus ubuntu first :) [05:27] <mpt> mvo: Ideally, (1) don't use an icon at all (if you need to point a balloon at an icon, the icon was the wrong design in the first place) [05:28] <lukas_> daniels, may I ping you about http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12716 ? We two have this problem, and don't know how to help fixing that ... [05:28] <mpt> mvo: (2) open the Update Manager when updates are available, and not otherwise [05:28] <mvo> ogra_: it's in, but it just checks for the admin group right now [05:28] <ogra_> oh... i thought it checks for some magical line in the .desktop file too [05:28] <mpt> mvo: and (3) default to it opening daily/weekly for sudoers and not at all for others (though they can turn it on if they want) [05:28] <mpt> s/opening/checking/ [05:29] <ogra_> mpt, opening once a week like hitting you right in the face without asking ? i'd prefer a icon... [05:29] <mpt> ogra_: oh, and (4) make it not take focus when it opens :-) [05:30] <ogra_> but still it hangs around on my desktop without being asked to do so... even if it doesnt takje focus, your windowlist entry will flash... [05:30] <mpt> Having a balloon pop up in front of my work, with a hyperlink (!) I might click by mistake to turn off update checking permanently, would be more annoying to me than a window opening in the background [05:31] <mvo> mpt: I'm still not happy with just opening a window that I have not asked for (even if it does not steal focus), I'll try to get at least (3) implemented (if technically possible) for breezy [05:31] <mvo> mpt: this is a misunderstanding, the icon will stay, just the ballon will not shown again [05:31] <mvo> mpt: but I see that the wording of the the baloon is "unfortunate", it will change [05:33] <mpt> mvo: The problem you're trying to solve is that people don't install updates. Therefore the solution needs to be one where the easiest option is to click a button that installs the updates, not one where the easiest option is to click something that makes the notification go away. [05:34] <mvo> mpt: I agree, the link will be changed to show the updates by default now [05:35] <mvo> mpt: don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for your review [05:36] <Mitario> hmm, kov aggreed, going to send a patch soon :) [05:36] <mvo> Mitario: cool! [05:36] <Mitario> will go for breezy+1 of course, but ooh wel [05:36] <Mitario> at least it's in debian then :) [05:37] <mpt> mvo: Does that mean I'm still allowed to comment on the Language Selector? :-) [05:37] <mvo> mpt: sure :) [05:37] <Mitario> haha :) [05:37] <ogra_> lol [05:37] <mpt> I haven't actually seen it yet, but I hear tell it refers to "inputs" [05:38] <mvo> mpt: tomorrow is interface freeze ... [05:38] <mvo> mpt: I will do you a screenshot, give me a second [05:39] <doko> Mithrandir: did you notice, that on amd64 in the OOo2 menus the background is drawn in the wrong color when the menu is selected? [05:39] <daniels> lukas_: no huge ideas over at my side, no [05:40] <ryanthiessen> why not "tools" instead of "input" ? [05:40] <lukas_> hm, thanks anyway, daniels. I'll surely report if the state changes. [05:40] <mvo> mpt: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/language-selector.png [05:41] <lukas_> and eagerly watching each new xorg-changelog-entry :) [05:42] <thoreauputic> can someone please kick spunk in #ubuntu? [05:42] <bddebian> spunk? :-) [05:42] <thoreauputic> his nick [05:42] <thoreauputic> :) [05:43] <mpt> mvo: "writting" should be "writing" [05:43] <mpt> mvo: When does this appear, exactly? [05:43] <ogra_> mjg59, the only thing i can get working from g-p-m's context menu is hibernate, did you implement shutdown/reboot as well ? should it work ? [05:44] <Diziet> + /* Some architectures have special alignment requirements for jmpbuf. */ [05:44] <Diziet> Does anyone know if that's true for ppc ? [05:44] <mvo> mpt: thanks, you click on System/Administration/Language Selector [05:45] <Mithrandir> doko: no, I don't use ooo :-) [05:45] <mjg59> ogra_: Shutdown and reboot need to be implemented in pmi [05:45] <mjg59> Once they are, it should work [05:45] <ogra_> mjg59, oh, i thought it already does that [05:45] <ogra_> ok [05:46] <mjg59> ogra_: pmi just needs shutdown/reboot things. Though TBH, I think we probably don't want those on the GPM menu [05:46] <ogra_> nope [05:47] <ogra_> mjg59, g-p-m has a --no-actions option, we should start it with that... yu can manually hibernate through the logout dialog, thats enough [05:47] <mjg59> Ok [05:47] <mjg59> At the moment it's handy for testing [05:47] <ogra_> yup [05:50] <elmo> mjg59: we don't support .commands files, I'm afraid [05:50] <mpt> mvo: (1) I suggest changing the intro text to "Choose which languages should be available to people using this system." [05:51] <mpt> mvo: (2) Rename "Translation" to "Translations" and "Inputs" to "Spelling" [05:52] <mjg59> elmo: You don't? Ah, right. [05:52] <mjg59> An upload hung part-way though [05:52] <mvo> mpt: thanks, (1) fixed [05:52] <mjg59> s/though/through/ [05:52] <mpt> mvo: (3) Move the explanatory text underneath the list, and have it say: "Translations include menus, dialogs, and help. Spelling includes dictionaries and grammar checkers. Some translations may not be available for some languages." [05:52] <mvo> mpt: (2) also contains stuff like input methods for chinese etc, so I guess that may be a bit misleading [05:52] <mpt> mvo: (2) oh, excellent. In that case it can be "Writing Aids". [05:53] <ogra_> elmo, ta :-D [05:53] <mvo> mpt: (2) "Input" -> "Writing Aids" in the caption? [05:53] <janimo> elmo, please sync wmaker from sid, thanks [05:53] <mpt> so (3) "... Writing Aids include spelling dictionaries, grammar checkers, and IMEs." [05:54] <elmo> mjg59: for now, just invoke me (or kamion/mdz as a fallback) [05:54] <ogra_> janimo, who approved that sync ? [05:54] <janimo> it's universe [05:54] <ogra_> janimo, UVF still applies [05:55] <janimo> mdz, said in principle universe is still ok, at least a week ago he said that [05:55] <siretart> janimo: you still need approval from ogra or an delegate ;) [05:55] <janimo> if particular packages are asked for, not en-masse [05:55] <ogra_> janimo, i'm fine with approiving it as long as it fixes a ftbfs or something [05:55] <janimo> ok, ogra then please approve :) [05:55] <ogra_> janimo, rationaly please [05:55] <xhaker> can someone help me about a gnome applet? i'm developing it and i can't manage to make it work in transparent panels [05:55] <ogra_> rationale even [05:56] <janimo> no ftbfs just a bugreport from a friend who uses 0.91 [05:56] <janimo> and upstream 0.92 fixes it [05:56] <janimo> something to do with windows not maximized after reloggin into session [05:56] <siretart> janimo: which bugreport [05:56] <janimo> sorry for being vague [05:56] <janimo> unoffcial bugreport he just told me on IM half an hour ago :) [05:57] <janimo> I'll ask him to file one if it's necessary [05:57] <janimo> oh well [05:57] <ogra_> janimo, crasher ? [05:57] <janimo> no, annoyer [05:57] <ogra_> janimo, please do so [05:57] <mpt> mvo: Does setting a language as "System default" automatically install it if it wasn't installed? [05:57] <mvo> mpt: wording is fixed for (3). moving it down is easy enough, but it moves the text very close to the "System default" combo box. do you think that's ok? I will do another screenshot with the new version [05:57] <ogra_> janimo, i told you that you need approval already [05:57] <elmo> ogra: if you want me to apply UVF to universe pls let me know who can approve them [05:57] <mvo> mpt: no, it will only list already installed languages [05:57] <ogra_> janimo, ... about two weeks ago iirc [05:58] <ogra_> elmo, didnt mdz and Kamion tell you ? [05:58] <xhaker> by the way.. GAIM is crashing when connecting to the googleTalk jabber server [05:58] <janimo> ogra_, I tought if a motu asks for a sync it means he'll take care of that package [05:58] <ogra_> elmo, they told me... with the addition that it can be handled more loosely but still needs approval [05:58] <janimo> that's implicit [05:59] <janimo> I am not just going around asking random syncs [05:59] <ogra_> janimo, its only a additional checkup ... [05:59] <janimo> it's my time too [05:59] <elmo> ogra: no, no one's told me [05:59] <mpt> mvo: the gap between the explanation and the menu should be greater than that between the explanation and the listbox ... I'm sure the HIG has guidelines for that [05:59] <ogra_> elmo, thats odd, i'll talk to mdz then [05:59] <xhaker> i noticed the update for Gaim, but it still crashes. [05:59] <mpt> mvo: Would it be accurate to rename the menu to "Initial language for new accounts:"? What else does the system default do? [06:00] <elmo> ogra: ... ? I just need to know who can approve them for universe [06:00] <ogra_> elmo, Kamion was very strict in his words [06:00] <ogra_> elmo, me and dholbach, \sh, siretart and ajmitch are delegates [06:00] <mvo> mpt: it's the default language in the login screen for example [06:00] <elmo> ogra: ok [06:00] <mpt> The login screen has a language? [06:01] <mpt> oh, right [06:01] <ogra_> elmo, but its still odd that nobody told you... [06:01] <siretart> elmo: do you prefer sync requests by irc or mail? [06:01] <mvo> mpt: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/l-s-2.png [06:01] <mjg59> elmo: Oh, I've got a workaround for the nx6125 [06:01] <elmo> siretart: irc is fine, but I may well miss it - always fallback to mail, if I don't reply reasonably promptly [06:01] <mjg59> elmo: If it's booted with noapic nolapic as kernel options, it works much better [06:01] <elmo> mjg59: neato [06:01] <mpt> mvo: Excellent [06:01] <mpt> mvo: "Translations", not "Translation" [06:02] <elmo> mjg59: does yours do DMA on the hard drive? [06:02] <mvo> mpt: ups, fixed, thanks [06:02] <elmo> mjg59: and is laptop testing checking for that? [06:03] <mpt> mvo: The explanation would probably work better all as one paragraph [06:03] <mpt> mvo: Try "Default language:" instead of "System default:" [06:03] <mjg59> elmo: Does in Breezy, doesn't in Hoary [06:04] <mjg59> The driver doesn't support the hardware in Hoary [06:04] <mpt> mvo: And then have an explanation under that, aligned with the left edge of the menu, saying "Used for new accounts and the login screen." [06:04] <elmo> ok [06:04] <mvo> mpt: thanks, one paragraph and "Default language" now [06:06] <mpt> mvo: Finally, reduce the width of the window by about 30~40 percent ... It'll make lining up the checkboxes easier, and the menu look healthier [06:06] <mdz> fabbione: did you have a chance to test the live cds? those are the ones which were bad before [06:07] <mdz> ogra_: what I said was that it was a MOTU decision and that you could apply UVF or not according to your needs [06:07] <mpt> mvo: I have an apology to make ... I stuffed up suggestion (1) [06:08] <mpt> mvo: I think just "Languages available to people using this system:" would be sufficient [06:08] <ogra_> mdz, yes, and we decided to go with Kamions decision that approval is needed, but handled loosely [06:08] <mpt> mvo: Then it would fit on a single line. [06:08] <mpt> I think I'm done now. :-) [06:08] <mdz> ogra_: Kamion's decision? [06:08] <ogra_> mdz, Kamion was very straigt telling me we should respect UVF [06:09] <ogra_> mdz, you then softened this a bit ... [06:09] <mvo> mpt: ok, thanks [06:09] <mvo> mpt: should be ready soon [06:09] <mjg59> Ok. In the worse case scenario, we can add a DMI quirk to fix-up the 6125. [06:09] <ogra_> mdz, but universe is in a very bad state, much worse then for hoary at this time... so approval makes sense if packages might break other packages [06:10] <mpt> mvo: btw, how did you achieve that button layout in metacity? [06:11] <mvo> mpt: the window has it's width because in the combo box is a entry like "English (United Kingdom of Great Britian and Nothern Ireland)" :/ [06:11] <mvo> mpt: you need to use gconf-editor to get it, but I really strongly dislike the default where close is _so_ near to maximize [06:12] <mpt> mvo: Agreed, I was hoping that was a Breezy default I was seeing :-) [06:12] <mvo> mpt: let's blame seb128 for it ;) [06:12] <ogra_> mdz, have a minute for pm ? [06:13] <mpt> iz metazity boog [06:14] <elmo> xhaker: please turn public away notification off [06:16] <mvo> mpt: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/l-s-3.png [06:16] <mjg59> elmo: Of course, X is still broken unless you disable acceleration [06:16] <mpt> mvo: "menu" -> "menus" [06:17] <mvo> mpt: fixed, thanks [06:17] <mpt> mvo: "Writing Aids includes" -> "Writing Aids include" [06:17] <elmo> mjg59: or use the binary goop? [06:17] <mjg59> elmo: Possible [06:17] <mvo> mpt: fixed [06:17] <elmo> mjg59: ok [06:17] <daniels> mjg59: what? [06:17] <mjg59> daniels: On the nx6125. [06:17] <mpt> mvo: Make the explanation just as wide as the listbox (e.g. in that screenshot "available" should have fit on the second line, not the third) [06:17] <daniels> mjg59: chipset? [06:17] <mjg59> X300 [06:18] <mjg59> PCIE [06:18] <mpt> mvo: "Use" -> "Used" [06:18] <daniels> mjg59: gnnrgh [06:18] <mjg59> Graphical corruption on the login splash, freezes part way through login unless you switch to the console [06:18] <mpt> mvo: "Default language:" and "Languages available to people using this system:" should be the same font/weight [06:18] <mpt> mvo: Other than that, it's looking excellent now, well done. [06:18] <daniels> mjg59: i can't see why though ... it's not doing anything with the cp, obviously, just register banging. it's a known quantity ... sigh. [06:18] <Treenaks> mjg59: Three cheers for for PCIE [06:19] <daniels> mjg59: i would _love_ to actually get one of those laptops. i've been sitting around reading that they're broken for some time now (of course, adam's t42, which is a pcie x300, works), and no idea on what to do with any of it. [06:19] <mjg59> T43, surely? [06:19] <mpt> mvo: Is it not possible to have an option menu that is narrower than some of its options? (That's possible in Windows and Mac OS) [06:19] <mjg59> T42 is PCI [06:19] <daniels> mjg59: yeah, probably [06:19] <mjg59> And a 9600 [06:19] <mvo> mpt: "Make the explanation just as wide as the listbox" looks very much like a gtk label layout problem to me, not sure how/easy hard it is to fix it [06:19] <daniels> mjg59: t4something [06:20] <mvo> mpt: checking that now [06:20] <daniels> mjg59: it's definitely x300 (well, m300), and definitely pcie. [06:20] <mjg59> Yeah, T43 [06:20] <mjg59> It probably doesn't help that this is amd64 [06:20] <daniels> mmm [06:20] <daniels> if we could localise this to a 32/64 bit thing, that would help a lot. [06:20] <mpt> mvo: It just looked to me like you hadn't made the explanation frame/box/gtkwhatsit as wide as the listbox, that's all [06:21] <daniels> the vt switch fixing things is curious. i wonder if it just got more picky about the order things are done in. [06:21] <mjg59> daniels: Where's the list of individual acceleration bits, and I'll work out which bit is breaking it? [06:21] <mjg59> daniels: Once I switch back, I can crash it when doing simple operations [06:21] <mjg59> daniels: Oh, one obvious thing - when it draws rectangles, part of the bottom line is often missing [06:22] <mjg59> And the mouse carries on moving for about a second after the rendering stops, then the entire machine hangs [06:22] <daniels> http://cvs.freedesktop.org/xorg/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/xaa/xaaInitAccel.c?rev=1.7&view=markup [06:23] <mjg59> daniels: They're in the driver section? [06:23] <daniels> mjg59: i'd be looking at noscanlineimagewriterect in particular [06:23] <daniels> mjg59: yesh [06:23] <daniels> mjg59: hm, if rectangles are broken -- nosolidfillrect [06:24] <mjg59> Ok [06:24] <daniels> {XAAOPT_DASHED_BRESENHAM_LINE, "XaaNoDashedBresenhamLine", [06:24] <daniels> OPTV_BOOLEAN, {0}, FALSE }, [06:24] <daniels> woo useful [06:24] <Treenaks> daniels: drivers _implement_ that? [06:26] <daniels> Treenaks: some, yeah [06:26] <Treenaks> daniels: I want them to hurry up with that new acceleration thing [06:27] <daniels> Treenaks: exa will be in for 7.0; we should have radeon, sis, and probably nv for breezy. maybe i810, but that'll more likely be in an external repo (p.u.c/~daniels or so) since jbarnes is having fun with offscreen memory management still. [06:27] <highvoltage> hi. is there any documentation about ubuntu's build environment, and can I download it? or should I rather ask this in #ubuntu? [06:28] <ogra_> highvoltage, define build environment [06:28] <ogra_> highvoltage, packages ? CDs ? [06:28] <Treenaks> pbuilder? [06:28] <ogra_> greminate and seeds ? [06:28] <ogra_> germinate even [06:28] <highvoltage> ogra_: i don't know really :) mdz said that ubuntu and debian has different "build environments", so i'd like to find out more about it. [06:29] <bur[n] er> anyone know if liferea can accept feed:// protocol? [06:29] <ogra_> highvoltage, hmm, i dont know what he means... i think we have different buildd setups and i doubt debian uses greminate and ssedlists [06:29] <ogra_> seedlists even [06:30] <Treenaks> ogra_: it doesn't [06:30] <ogra_> highvoltage, so that might be the difference he refers to [06:30] <bur[n] er> it would be easy to integrate firefox with liferea feeds if it did... or for that matter, can we register feed:// somehow so that blam, straw, liferea, or whatever rss reader you use would work? [06:30] <Treenaks> bur[n] er: no, inventing new uri schemes is annoying [06:31] <Treenaks> bur[n] er: use MIME types instead [06:31] <Treenaks> bur[n] er: http://infomesh.net/2001/09/urischemes/ [06:31] <mdz> highvoltage: if those are the words I used, there must have been more context ;-) [06:31] <highvoltage> debian doesn't use seedlists? i thought that was the native way of configuring things in d-i? [06:31] <bur[n] er> Treenaks: but rss feeds are sometimes html and firefox would try to render it instead of sending it to liferea [06:31] <rtcm> I already asked on -motu but got no answer: I need to build a debug symbols enabled package (no other modifications) is there a standard debian flag to do it? [06:31] <highvoltage> mdz: yes, I was asking you about the differences between ubuntu and debian. that's as much context as I can remember :) [06:32] <Treenaks> bur[n] er: then fix the webserver [06:32] <Treenaks> bur[n] er: to send out feeds with the proper mime type [06:32] <mjg59> daniels: Hmm. It also dislikes showing me any stipples until I move the mouse [06:32] <daniels> mjg59: er [06:32] <mjg59> Oh, no, maybe not [06:32] <mjg59> That might just be coincidence [06:32] <bur[n] er> Treenaks: it's not my webserver to fix ;) [06:33] <mdz> highvoltage: a "build environment" is all the stuff which influences the building of software or packages. so it includes the compiler toolchain, library packages, etc. these things differ between debian and ubuntu. [06:33] <Treenaks> bur[n] er: no, but you can complain :) [06:33] <bur[n] er> very true... [06:33] <mdz> highvoltage: another kind of "build environment", as ogra described, would be "the facilities and processes we use for building packages", which would be the buildd network. that is also different between debian and ubuntu. [06:33] <highvoltage> mdz: ah, so that would refer to things like gcc, kernel version, etc? [06:33] <daniels> mjg59: i wonder if it's related to any updates at all [06:33] <bur[n] er> or i could just get in contact with teh livelines firefox extension and get them to support liferea ;) or patch it myself [06:34] <bur[n] er> thanks for the feedback Treenaks [06:34] <bur[n] er> :) [06:34] <mdz> highvoltage: not the kernel, but definitely gcc and its dependencies [06:34] <daniels> mjg59: i.e. if you kick some activity later, even drawing to an offscreen pixmap or something, if it shows [06:34] <daniels> mjg59: could just be missing an accel->Sync() [06:34] <highvoltage> mdz: ok. when you initially told me that, i interpreted it as "ubuntu has another process for building the distribution" (if that makes any sense) [06:34] <highvoltage> mdz: ok. i understand. thanks for clearing up. [06:35] <mjg59> daniels: Ok, got it [06:35] <Diziet> gp_do_exit(int exit_status) [06:35] <Diziet> { [06:35] <Diziet> + exit(exit_status); [06:35] <Diziet> } [06:35] <Diziet> Joy. [06:35] <daniels> mjg59: hm? [06:35] <mdz> highvoltage: we have a different process for building the distribution, too [06:35] <mjg59> daniels: XaaNoScreenToScreenCopy [06:35] <mjg59> If I do that, it seems stable. [06:36] <infinity> Diziet : Looks like a skeleton for "some day we may want some cleanup code in here" that never got filled in. [06:36] <infinity> Diziet : Not uncommon, IME. [06:36] <daniels> mjg59: boom. thanks. [06:37] <mjg59> daniels: Hang on, still making sure of that [06:37] <mjg59> daniels: Ok. That fixes the hang, but there's still some graphical corruption. I'll figure out which one gets rid of that. [06:38] <highvoltage> mdz: does ubuntu use the same tools? is it just the actual process that's different, or the methods too? [06:39] <jdub> j^: ping [06:39] <mjg59> daniels: NoSolidFillRect seems to fix the graphical corruption [06:40] <daniels> mjg59: righty-ho. [06:40] <daniels> mjg59: amd64, you say? [06:40] <mdz> highvoltage: it depends on what part of the process you mean. building a distribution is a large, abstract process [06:42] <highvoltage> ok, i think i understand what you mean anyway. [06:42] <mjg59> daniels: Yup [06:42] <highvoltage> mdz: i'll get the motu guys to educate me more, then I'll bug you for more info ;) [06:43] <daniels> mjg59: right, this'll take a little while to set up. bear with me. [06:48] <ogra> my DSL sucks [06:54] <daniels> mjg59: http://amnesiac.heapspace.net/~daniels/radeon_driver.o -- i don't actually expect it to fix the problem, but it's worth a shot. [06:55] <mjg59> daniels: Ok, hang on a mo [06:56] <highvoltage> ogra_: less than my wireless, i'm sure :) [06:56] <lathiat> mjg59: what problem, ooc [06:56] <ogra> highvoltage, they changed the DSLAM unit in my headend last week, now it drops once an hour :( [06:57] <mjg59> lathiat: Crashing X300 based system [06:57] <ogra> highvoltage, ubuntu is built around its seeds, you can find the seedlists on http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/ [06:58] <mjg59> daniels: 404 [06:58] <ogra> s/around/from [06:58] <highvoltage> ogra: ah thanks, something to investigate! :) [06:58] <ogra> there is also a explanation how that works on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement [06:59] <highvoltage> what is tocd3? [06:59] <jsgotangco> the open cd? [07:00] <mjg59> daniels: radeon_drv.o [07:01] <daniels> mjg59: er yeah, that [07:02] <\sh> *grmpf* [07:02] <\sh> ping ogra [07:02] <ogra> \sh, pong [07:02] <mdz> daniels: so about the X server in breezy... [07:02] <\sh> ogra: how did u get the tftpd-hpa working again? [07:03] <ogra> \sh, install netkit-inetd before ;) its run by inetd [07:03] <\sh> actually I can't test anything anymore because the tftp is not working anymore [07:03] <daniels> mdz: been testing it in pbuilder, it's happy. going to do upgrade tests, final polish on the xorg package, and then hopefully blast everything at the archive before I head to bed. [07:03] <highvoltage> interesting. [07:03] <mdz> daniels: you already checked it with debdiff? [07:03] <\sh> ogra: *grmpf* [07:03] <\sh> ogra: it is installed [07:03] <mdz> daniels: I asked for a copy of the packages; are they uploaded somewhere? [07:03] <mjg59> daniels: Looks much better [07:04] <\sh> let me try again..can be..that it was started by init.d [07:04] <\sh> bah [07:04] <ogra> \sh, is in.tftpd in /etc/inetd.conf [07:04] <\sh> ogra: yeah I know :) [07:04] <\sh> brb [07:04] <daniels> mdz: not yet, because I'm still tweaking xorg; as discussed, there are filename changes (/usr/X11R6 -> /usr, *.o -> *.so) [07:04] <mjg59> daniels: Some strange stuttering in the login sound, but no freeze [07:04] <daniels> mjg59: it ... actually worked? [07:04] <mdz> daniels: we agreed not to do /usr/X11R6 -> /usr [07:04] <mjg59> daniels: Oh, no, hang on [07:04] <mjg59> System/Preferences has drawn a hollow rectangle and then frozen [07:05] <daniels> mjg59: \o/ [07:05] <mjg59> But the corruption seemed to have gone [07:05] <seb128> mdz: freeze break request for gnome-screensaver. It's universe, the new version fixes some issues and luis would be happy to get if for the GNOME liveCD [07:05] <daniels> mdz: i thought we'd agreed to do /usr/X11R6 -> /usr and then have it capable of loading old modules from /usr/X11R6 [07:05] <daniels> mjg59: wow-ee. [07:05] <ogra> seb128, do it :) [07:05] <mjg59> daniels: What was the difference? [07:06] <mdz> daniels: then we misunderstood each other [07:06] <Diziet> How would I go about getting a decision about what to do about gs-esp ? The current version is completely nonfunctional on ppc. I think the only practical solution is probably to update to espgs 8.15rc4 and then possibly even to track upstream's rc bugfixes. [07:06] <ogra> seb128, as long as you dont want it in main immediately MOTU can approve it too :) [07:06] <mdz> daniels: I thought you said that was an alternative to moving to /usr [07:06] <seb128> no, it was defered [07:06] <Diziet> I've had a go at debugging the problem, and tried reading diffs between 7.07.1 and 8.15rc4 but they're huge. [07:06] <ogra> seb128, so sync it then :) [07:07] <mjg59> daniels: Ok, that driver fixes the corruption. NoScreenToScreenCopy fixes the crash. [07:10] <daniels> mjg59: right [07:11] <mvo> mpt: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/l-s-4.png [07:11] <daniels> mjg59: uploading a new version [07:11] <daniels> mdz: no; it was moving to /usr, but with the ability to load old drivers [07:11] <mvo> mpt: if you are happy with it, I'll upload it [07:12] <daniels> mjg59: the difference was that we wait until the engine idles after solid fills and screen-to-screen copies now, which isn't technically necessary, but ... yeah. sort of papering over cracks. [07:12] <Diziet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpstreamVersionFreeze doesn't say who to contact. [07:12] <seb128> Diziet: mdz [07:12] <seb128> or Kamion but he's away this week [07:12] <slomo> i'm currently doing slang2 transition... we have a package (python-slang) which only works with slang1 and is only needed by woody. woody and python-slang are the same upstream and upstream seems dead (2000 last release), in debian they have no maintainer... are these two candidates for morgue? [07:13] <ogra> Diziet, for main mdz, for universe #ubuntu-motu [07:13] <mjg59> daniels: Ok, let me know when to pull [07:13] <ogra> s/mdz/mdz and Kamion [07:13] <mdz> Diziet: is this about gs-esp? [07:13] <daniels> mjg59: go [07:14] <Diziet> mdz: Yes. [07:14] <Diziet> Kamion's still away on honeymoon, isn't he ? [07:14] <elmo> yes [07:15] <ogra> until monday [07:15] <Diziet> Nice to know I didn't fail to notice him arriving back :-). [07:18] <Diziet> Attempting a full frontal assault on the bug feels like a waste of time; it's quite possible that gs-esp 7.07.1 is riddled with problems on ppc. [07:18] <mjg59> daniels: No more stuttering sound, but still the freeze when I open the System/Preferences window [07:18] <mjg59> s/window/menu/ [07:18] <Diziet> And it's known to work much better in the most recent version. Shame it's an upstream release candidate of a new upstream-upstream. [07:20] <daniels> mjg59: yeah, sounds about right [07:20] <Diziet> mdz: ... ? [07:20] <daniels> mjg59: can you please run from a remote host with -verbose 999, and it should spit out which ScreenToScreen functions it's entering and exiting [07:20] <mjg59> daniels: Ok [07:20] <Diziet> I can do a more proper writeup in email if that would be helpful. [07:20] <mdz> Diziet: I'm in a meeting right now [07:21] <mdz> Diziet: so yes, that would be better [07:21] <Diziet> Ah, right. Willdo. I'll put it in my activity report and CC you for your attention. [07:25] <mjg59> daniels: (EE) RADEON(0): FIFO timed out, resetting engine... and then hang [07:26] <mjg59> Didn't get to the desktop [07:26] <mjg59> It didn't seem to say anything about which functions it was entering and exiting [07:27] <slomo> can somebody do a rebuild for mpeg2dec and libdv? this is needed for slang2 transition [07:28] <mxpxpod> who is the main guy that makes decisions for ppc for ubuntu? [07:30] <daniels> mjg59: agh [07:30] <mjg59> daniels: I got 4 of those, preceded by a (EE) RADEON(0): Idle timed out, resetting engine... [07:31] <daniels> mjg59: right. so the engine is locked, hard. [07:31] <mjg59> Yeah [07:33] <janimo> daniels, what's the best way of working on breezy xorg code?Is there a baz archive? [07:33] <daniels> janimo: not at the moment, no [07:37] <rburton> daniels: awww, i was going to work on my ssh SI scheme [07:39] <rburton> oh i say, dirac plugin for gstreamer [07:39] <rburton> rock on [07:39] <doko> mdz: didn't you want to build a live CD for amd64? I just see, that OOo2 is broken for amd64, as long as the ooo2-amd64 package is not updated [07:40] <daniels> rburton: err, why don't you anyway? [07:40] <mdz> doko: I did build a live CD for amd64 [07:40] <daniels> mjg59: /win 55 [07:40] <daniels> er [07:40] <rburton> daniels: yeah i should have a go really [07:40] <mpt> mvo: Sorry, I was at lunch [07:41] <mjg59> daniels: Win! [07:42] <mpt> mvo: Still (1) "Writing Aids includes" should be "Writing Aids include", (2) "Use" should be "Used", and (3) the two control labels should use the same font weight. Other than that, it's great. [07:42] <mpt> mvo: Oh, and "Translation" should be "Translations" [07:44] <daniels> mjg59: new debugariffic version coming over that should tell you what it's doing at the time [07:44] <mvo> mpt: thanks, I was sure I fixed that, (me grumbles about glade) [07:45] <mjg59> daniels: Rock [07:45] <daniels> mjg59: go [07:48] <mpt> mvo: btw, what happens if you uncheck the "Translations" checkbox for the default language? [07:48] <mjg59> (**) RADEON(0): About to leave SubsequentSolidFill (synced) [07:48] <mjg59> (**) RADEON(0): WaitForIdle (entering): 64 entries, stat=0x00000140 [07:48] <mjg59> (**) RADEON(0): WaitForIdle (entering): 64 entries, stat=0x8410c140 [07:49] <mvo> mpt: nothing. I need to leave for dinner now, I'll bb in ~30min [07:49] <mjg59> Then a pile of "select returned 1" and "select returned 0"s, followed by "Idle timed out", and then "Fifo timed out" and crash [07:50] <mjg59> daniels: ^ [07:50] <daniels> mjg59: yeah [07:51] <lathiat> seb128: could we get a separator between system tools and add/remove programs, it would look much nicer [07:51] <daniels> mjg59: i have a rough idea where it is that's going wrong now, but need to crash [07:54] <seb128> lathiat: no opinion on it, did the 2.10 version had one for the "run app" ? [07:55] <lathiat> seb128: yes [07:55] <Diziet> mdz: YHM [07:55] <seb128> lathiat: I've to go now, we will talk later about this [07:55] <lathiat> seb128: okie [08:02] <mdz> Diziet: I think that a new upstream gs-esp could greatly improve the current printing situation [08:02] <mdz> Diziet: however, I'm unimpressed by its bug list in [08:02] <mdz> Debian [08:02] <mdz> the new release seems to have major regressions [08:02] <mdz> it hasn't even made it into testing yet [08:07] <Diziet> Yers. [08:09] <Diziet> Most of the bugs there are against 7.07.1 of one kind or another. [08:20] <sedak> when a bug has a UPSTREAM status in bugzilla and that there is a new version that fix the bug, what do we do to make the responsible for that package know ? [08:20] <sedak> the bug is assigned to seb128 now btw [08:42] <mdz> Diziet: I'm talking about the grave and serious bugs, which are all new [08:43] <ogra> mdz, so whats your word on mediawiki, pitti approved it in the end, but he wasnt happy to do it... we'll need it for wikipedia support in edubuntu... [08:43] <{Seb}> i am correct in saying NetworkManager is broken? [08:43] <mdz> ogra: pitti changed his mind? [08:44] <ogra> janew and i convinced him, he didnt know about its importance for us [08:44] <ogra> mdz, he still thinks its not good... thats why i want a last word from you about it [08:45] <ogra> mdz, since you were involved in the process that brought us here... [08:45] <mdz> ogra: in london we decided that mediawiki was what the community wanted [08:45] <mdz> ogra: but that's orthogonal to whether it's supportable [08:45] <ogra> mdz, exactly and we committed to have it if any possible [08:45] <mdz> I'd like to hear pitti's comments on it, especially if he changed his mind since we last talked [08:46] <mdz> ogra: I also think it's a bit late to add new complex applications to edubuntu; it's time to focus on stabilizing the preview release [08:46] <mdz> ogra: do the daily CDs work? [08:46] <ogra> mdz, it looks very odd for me that we will ship completely different stuff from what we commited... [08:46] <ogra> mdz, nope... [08:47] <mdz> ogra: working CDs are top priority [08:47] <mdz> whether or not they contain mediawiki [08:47] <HiddenWolf> ogra, it's better to ship something that works partially, rather than something that's great and feature-complete, but buggy, right? [08:47] <ogra> i didnt test todays, the last one i tested still suffered from libcairo stuff (mondays) [08:48] <janimo> lamont ping [08:48] <ogra> HiddenWolf, its odd to have told your users you dont like their software selection but will support it, and in the end you ship what you suggested first... [08:48] <ogra> it feels like cheating the user i dont feel good about it [08:49] <doko> mdz: any word on the OOo2 update to milestone 125? just to know, if Mithrandir should build the amd64 package for m121, or the m125 [08:49] <mdz> doko: I'm installing it right now [08:49] <HiddenWolf> ogra, agreed, but at least you'll ship something workable... [08:49] <ogra> i.e. we all said we want moin, all users said they want mediawiki, we committed to that, but in the end we ship moin [08:49] <doko> mdz: ok, I'm away for about two hours [08:49] <lamont> janimo: si? [08:49] <ogra> its not that mediawiki isnt workable [08:50] <janimo> lamont, eople.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/x/xfce4-panel/4.2.2-1ubuntu2/ [08:50] <ogra> its just hard to support security wise [08:50] <janimo> any idea why only powerpc got rebuilt today? [08:50] <mdz> doko: I am leaning toward including it if it feels good [08:50] <janimo> manualintervention? [08:50] <mdz> doko: how much testing have you been able to do? [08:50] <mdz> Mithrandir: an updated oo.o2-amd64 should target m125 since I think that is more likely [08:52] <elmo> ogra: maybe we should make such hasty commitments in the future? [08:52] <elmo> shouldn't too [08:52] <lamont> janimo: so there's build logs there for all 4 architectures, ppc being the only successful one, and you need someone to read the logs and tell you why they failed??? [08:53] <ogra> elmo, it wasnt hasty ... there was a two day discussion [08:53] <janimo> lamont, no it seems only powerpc got rebuilt today [08:53] <mdz> it wasn't a commitment [08:53] <mdz> it was a survey [08:53] <mdz> if we ship something that we can't support properly, they lose AND we lose [08:53] <lamont> janimo: that'd be because either it hadn't been tried before, or happened to be given back as part of something else. [08:53] <mdz> if they really want it, they can always install it from universe [08:54] <mdz> but they'll know what they're getting into [08:54] <janimo> thanks [08:54] <ogra> mdz, it caused the the expectation at the users that they'll be able to install wikipedia on whyt we ship [08:54] <lamont> I'm betting it was infinity clearing up the buildds on ppc after some cleanup work there [08:54] <mdz> ogra: that won't happen unless mediawiki is supportable [08:54] <lamont> janimo: things with actual compile errors don't get automatically retried [08:54] <ogra> mdz, ok, so should i resort to moin then and drop the inclusion report ? [08:55] <mdz> ogra: have pitti mail me his thoughts about it [08:55] <ogra> ok [08:55] <mdz> ogra: and meanwhile concentrate on getting the CDs into shape [08:55] <ogra> mdz, yup [08:55] <janimo> lamont, looks like i386 and powerpc faild on the same thing (missing libpixmap) [08:56] <janimo> I wonder why only powerpc got retried today (and what triggered the rebuild) [08:56] <lamont> janimo: so what you really meant to ask from the start was 'please retry xfce4-panel on !ppc as well?'??? [08:56] <janimo> lamont, not really [08:56] <Jhair> un [08:56] <janimo> as I wasn't the one who made the latest changes to these [08:57] <janimo> seb128 is did the cairo transitioning stuff [08:57] <lamont> well, to answer your original question, it was retried on ppc because one of us gave it back to the buildd's manually [08:57] <janimo> I just didn;t know what's happening and whether I should start fixing, wait on seb, the build system noticing etc [08:58] <janimo> the whole thing is very obscure to me :( [08:58] <janimo> but thanks you're always being helpful :) [08:58] <Jhair> Consider the following in hoary: ubuntu-base depends on jfsutils, but I don't use the JFS filesystem, AFAIK I can't remove jfsutils without breaking ubuntu-base. Is this a bug? [08:59] <martinald> hi guys [08:59] <martinald> could someone take a look at bugs 13521 + 11237 [08:59] <martinald> and see if they are dupes? [08:59] <dredg> Jhair: Installed-Size: 1108 [08:59] <janimo> lamont I see the same with the other xfce4 cairo transed packages [08:59] <dredg> are you that stuck for space? [08:59] <janimo> do you know who did the manual giving back of these today, only on PPC? [09:00] <lamont> and it was completely unrelated to xfce [09:00] <Jhair> the point is: I don't use the package and I don't need it [09:00] <jdub> mdz: we totally need to fix this unrequired shlibdeps mess for breezy+1 [09:00] <lamont> Jhair: that's a question for #ubuntu, but note that ubuntu-base delvivers no files, just a bunch of dependencies... [09:00] <mdz> why is there a linux32_1-3_i386.deb? [09:00] <jdub> yo lamont [09:00] <jdub> lamont: how's new gig? [09:01] <lamont> Jhair: that is, all you'll possibly break removing ubuntu-base is upgrades to the next release [09:01] <lamont> jdub: hectic as usual [09:01] <mdz> jdub: that is easily a 2+ release cycle kind of project [09:01] <jdub> mdz: suckage [09:01] <jdub> all this transition mess sucks up so much time :| [09:01] <lamont> jdub: otoh, starting to fix it in breezy+1 would be goodness [09:02] <lamont> jdub: have you seen http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/ubuntu.jpg [09:02] <mdz> martinald: no, they are not [09:02] <elmo> jdub: eh, doko has it mostly scripted [09:02] <janimo> lamont I got a list of xfce packages that would need a manual kick on the rest of the arch [09:02] <jdub> lamont: haha, yeah - i prefer the mandrake one though [09:02] <janimo> can I send it to you by mail? [09:02] <elmo> it's nothing like as painful in ubuntu as it is in e.g. debian [09:02] <lamont> sure [09:03] <janimo> lamont at ubuntu com? [09:03] <lamont> sure [09:03] <mdz> martinald: #11237 affects Hoary, while #13521 is an initramfs-tools issue (which only exists in breezy) [09:03] <martinald> ok [09:03] <jdub> elmo: doko's unruly use of perl does not count ;) [09:03] <elmo> jdub: seb used the same script for cairo-in-main ... [09:03] <elmo> and doko used it for C++.. so however distasteful you find it, it does work [09:04] <martinald> mdz: is this info in 11237 applicable to the other? [09:04] <dredg> what qualifies as 'unruly use of perl'? [09:04] <jdub> elmo: joke re: python policy [09:04] <mdz> martinald: your comment in 11237 is actually about 13521 [09:04] <jdub> elmo: but the point is, it is mostly unnecessary in the first place [09:04] <martinald> right, thought so [09:04] <elmo> jdub: in a handwavy theoretical "wouldn't it be nice if the less people went to war" sort of way :-P [09:04] <ogra> jdub, MOTU rather lies down crying :/ [09:05] <jdub> dredg: in this case, it's a joke about our policy of using python [09:05] <dredg> jdub: ah, gotcha [09:05] <\sh> ogra: what r we doing? [09:05] <jdub> elmo: it's not theoretical. if packages weren't unnecessarily depending on libcairo directly, we wouldn't have to transition so much [09:05] <martinald> mdz: is there any info i can provide you with about 13521 that would help? [09:06] <jdub> for many values of 'libcairo' [09:06] <martinald> it would be nice to have this so i could take screenshots of breezy for documentation ;) [09:06] <jdub> C++ ABI pukeshots are a different beast [09:06] <ogra> \sh <jdub> all this transition mess sucks up so much time :| [09:06] <ogra> \sh, * jdub fears MOTU uprising [09:06] <highvoltage> elmo: hi elmo. [09:06] <mdz> martinald: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13521#c1 [09:06] <\sh> ogra: oh...I think slang2 we can remove from the list..slomo rocked today [09:06] <mdz> martinald: the person working on the bug already asked for more information [09:06] <ogra> \sh, <ogra> jdub, MOTU rather lies down crying :/ [09:06] <jdub> ogra: large scale MOTU nervous breakdown would be preferable to an uprising, but still very depressing ;) [09:07] <highvoltage> elmo: did you get the gpg signed ssh public key? [09:07] <martinald> ok, sure [09:07] <dredg> just give me a month or so [09:08] <ogra> jdub, we are significantly more people for breezy, but the transitions sucked up all MOTU blood... [09:08] <ogra> jdub, i fear that breezy universe will be far worse then hoary [09:08] <jdub> yeah [09:09] <elmo> highvoltage: which address did you send it to? [09:09] <\sh> ogra: I told you the last time...breezy will be a off road release... [09:09] <highvoltage> elmo: i'll check... [09:09] <ogra> jdub, that means our ressources will be sucked up by fixing the remaining breakage for breezy+1 which is as worse as the transition this time [09:10] <ogra> and will draw as much time [09:10] <highvoltage> elmo: james@canonical.com, 06/08/2005 [09:10] <highvoltage> elmo: 13:19 +2 GMT [09:10] <elmo> k, looking [09:11] <elmo> highvoltage: gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-key 0x6CBF29D6 [09:12] <highvoltage> elmo: ok [09:12] <highvoltage> elmo: done [09:28] <Mithrandir> mdz: updating ooo2-amd64 isn't much work when the version to update to is in the archive, so just say when. [09:30] <hawk_78> hello, I'm a Summer of Code student... [09:31] <hawk_78> I've just finished the PythonModulePackaging: [09:32] <hawk_78> a tool to build deb packages out of standard python modules. [09:32] <hawk_78> I'm looking for someone to have a look at it. [09:33] <hawk_78> I also need help for publishing and licensing. [09:36] <siretart> hawk_78: out of interest, do you produce binary or source packages? [09:38] <slomo> does debian has some kind of archive were one can get older versions of packages? [09:39] <siretart> slomo: yepp. http://snapshot.debian.net [09:39] <siretart> sometimes I'd wish we had something similar for ubuntu.. [09:39] <slomo> siretart: thanks :) [09:41] <elmo> morgue.ubuntu.com [09:41] <elmo> it's just run out of space, so out of date [09:41] <siretart> ah. that explains.. [09:42] <ploum> Hello [09:42] <\sh> elmo: ping...why is libdv in main and the binaries in universe? do u know? :) [09:42] <ploum> Am I the only one for wich the epiphany icon disappeared in the "Internet" menu ? Must I fill a bug ? [09:43] <elmo> libdv-bin | 0.103-2 | breezy/universe | amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc [09:43] <elmo> libdv4 | 0.103-2 | breezy | amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc [09:43] <elmo> libdv4-dev | 0.103-2 | breezy | amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc [09:43] <elmo> libdv | 0.103-2 | breezy | source [09:43] <\sh> ah only the bin files.. [09:43] <elmo> \sh: libdv-bin isn't seeded and nothing depends on it [09:43] <\sh> elmo: thx :) [09:45] <HeMan> Hi! How often does packages.ubuntu.com update? [09:45] <elmo> highvoltage: you seemed to flip/flip on the username; which is it to be? jono or jonathan? :) [09:46] <HeMan> I installed a package (python2.4-opengl) but it doesn't contain the files packages.ubuntu.com suggests [09:46] <HeMan> (yes, breezy) [09:49] <highvoltage> elmo: jonathan will be fine, thanks :) [10:03] <teprrr> hmm, there's no apt-front (dev) packages in ubuntu at all?! [10:04] <mvo> teprrr: you will have to build it from svn [10:05] <teprrr> mvo, hmm. is there some reason why it isn't included? [10:06] <mvo> teprrr: it's under heavy development and the abi/api changes quite often (also I'm not sure if that is still the case, but it was some weeks ago) [10:07] <teprrr> mvo, ah. okay.. [10:07] <highvoltage> elmo: /win 13 [10:07] <teprrr> what happened to GL/glx.h and other glx dev files? [10:07] <highvoltage> sorry [10:07] <mvo> teprrr: building from svn should be straightforward [10:08] <teprrr> yeah, just wanted to test adept, but it's not that important.. just thought why there's no such thing [10:09] <mvo> teprrr: IIRC mournfall wanted to link libapt-front statically against ept [10:09] <teprrr> oh [10:10] <mvo> teprrr: at least at the beginning [10:12] <teprrr> mvo, okay.. now it's just how to compile kde without libtool and where's those missing gl(x) headers [10:13] <mvo> teprrr: the joy of the x-transition :) maybe you need libgl1-mesa-dev? [10:14] <teprrr> The following packages will be REMOVED: [10:14] <teprrr> libgl1-xorg libgl1-xorg-dev libgl1-xorg-dri [10:14] <teprrr> :) [10:16] <HeMan> how could i look in a .deb-file without installing it? [10:17] <Mithrandir> dpkg -c and -I [10:18] <HeMan> Mithrandir: thanks [10:18] <teprrr> btw, should wajig search for packages from packages.ubuntu.com instead of packages.debian.org? [10:26] <doko> mdz: most of my OOo2 testing is limited to starting the applications, loading old documents, scrolling, editing a bit. These docs are M*word/excel/ppoint docs from old projects. I didn't see any obvious regressions. Spent about 1 1/2-2 hours testing. I didn't test powerpc, but pitti did basic tests and couldn't find obvious regressions [10:27] <doko> jdub: the zope* uploads are real work, done by kobold, one of our SoC students [10:28] <jdub> doko: hrm? [10:32] <doko> jdub: no perl work :-) [10:33] <jdub> doko: oh - nah, we were talking about general transition stuff [10:33] <jtan325> in cvs, how do you de-remove a file that's been scheduled to be removed? [10:34] <jtan325> (assuming you haven't actually committed yet) [10:38] <jdub> doko: hmm, what does OOo use portaudio for? [10:39] <Mithrandir> jdub: making noise during presentations, I presume. [10:39] <jdub> can it use anything else? [10:39] <doko> jdub: sound for presentations ... [10:39] <louie> ooo: pissing in the swamp since 1999 [10:39] <louie> ;) [10:42] <jdub> so annoying! [11:29] <seb128> doko: do you need cairo/glitz? [11:30] <seb128> doko: the Debian maintainer has built cairo 1.0 without it: "* Removed glitz backend as currently experimental and unsupported" [11:31] <elmo> oh man [11:31] <doko> seb128: no, I will not enable that for the next OOo2 upload (pending mdz's ok) [11:33] <seb128> k [11:36] <mdz> doko: new ooo2 looks good to me [11:36] <mdz> doko: let's do it [11:41] <doko> mdz: fine :) [11:43] <doko> mdz, elmo: please reply to the OOo2 help topic I sent you via email. the bonus side would be having it for translations in rosetta as well, and hope it's buildable for breezy+1 [11:44] <mdz> doko: I don't think that having oo.o2 help in multiverse only is worth the effort of creating that package [11:44] <mdz> doko: can we not pre-generate the help? what is its license? [11:47] <doko> mdz: the license would allow that. but we would need the sun classes for generating that help. it would be less maintainance work to put that package in mutiverse, but I would prefer putting the help into main as well, if we can put the pregenerated help in a package in main. [11:48] <mdz> doko: if the license allows it, I prefer to have the pregenerated help in main [11:49] <doko> fine, preparing that one next week [11:49] <mdz> doko: perhaps the oo.o2 source package could have a build target which generates the help and wraps it in a source package? [11:49] <mdz> then it would be easy to keep up to date [11:49] <doko> mdz: exactly, same thing as we do with the -l10n package now [11:50] <mdz> oh, I haven't looked at the -10n stuff. :-) [11:50] <mdz> doko: mark says you expect to be able to have oo.o2 in rosetta for breezy [11:50] <doko> it's basically: rename the package, rebuild the control file, add the rosetta translations, rebuild [11:52] <jdub> boh, no seb [11:52] <doko> mdz: yes, we export the language data, it can be converted, I'm waiting for some tests with rosetta. I agreed now to reduce the number of po files from 36 to below 10 [11:53] <jdub> mdz: permission to upgrade djvulibre by one micro version, required by evince? [11:54] <jdub> (otherwise, it could happily drop into universe if we remove the build-dep) [11:54] <mdz> jdub: if nothing other than evince uses it, yes [11:54] <elmo> nothing in the whole archive other than evince does [11:54] <elmo> (which is kind of amusing) [11:55] <jdub> and itself :) [12:01] <jdub> seb128: just asked mdz if i could upgrade djvu (micro+1) for evince [12:01] <jdub> seb128: also, mind if i turn on a few of the other evince backends? [12:02] <doko> jdub: no glitz :) [12:03] <seb128> jdub: that was on my list when I've read the changes for new djvulibre package this morning, thanks :) [12:03] <Keybuk> ah yes, the return of the dpi bugs [12:03] <seb128> jdub: is he ok ? [12:03] <seb128> Keybuk: GTK 2.8.2 coming within 2 hours, don't worry [12:03] <seb128> (upstream already here, but I've to sort cairo first and then package it) [12:04] <seb128> jdub: what other options do you want to turn?

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2005-08-29-#launchpad

[12:12] <bradb> Right, I can wait till tomorrow. [12:12] <bradb> In other news, changing the URLs is hell. [12:13] <kiko> yeah [12:13] <bradb> Because the context that used to be returned for the bug page was a bug, but now, I think, it needs to be a task, which breaks basically every portlet on that page. [12:13] <salgado> bradb, I'll try to look at it tomorrow, but I can't guarantee [12:13] <bradb> salgado: ok, thanks [12:14] <bradb> mpt: Oh, btw, http://www.bikes.com/bikes/2005/sport/trailhead.aspx [12:19] <kiko> mpt, you haven't been around the block much, have you? [12:19] <kiko> nice little bike, bradb [12:19] <mpt> kiko: Literally yes, figuratively no [12:20] <bradb> kiko: thanks. I tend to read the consumer reviews *after* I buy something, but I often guess reasonably well. [12:26] <bradb> kiko: Can I let the entire /malone/bugs namespace die? (i.e. so that /malone/bugs/$bug.id would raise a 404) [12:27] <bradb> That way, I could commit to making all the portlets shown on the bug page work on the assumption that the context is an IBugTask [12:27] <mpt> bradb: Probably 50~60 percent of the external links into Launchpad are to /malone/bugs/something [12:28] <mpt> You'd have to redirect them somewhere [12:28] <bradb> Where are the external links coming from? [12:28] <mpt> Mailing list posts, Weblog entries, forums, etc [12:28] <mpt> I haven't seen the referer logs, I'm just guessins [12:28] <mpt> g [12:28] <bradb> Yeah, I see some on Google [12:28] <bradb> ff [12:29] <bradb> Actually, few enough that I doubt it matters. [12:29] <bradb> We're not even 1.0 yet. [12:30] <kiko> is it very hard to just redirect them? [12:30] <kiko> the question is where :) [12:30] <bradb> Exactly. [12:30] <bradb> We could just redirect them to the first context that we find that has the bug #, but why? [12:31] <bradb> (i.e. Why bother with the extra complexity?) [12:31] <mpt> because there is no better option? [12:31] <bradb> 404'ing /malone/bugs/* seems like a better option to me. [12:32] <mpt> well, since you're such a fan of Jakob Nielsen ;-) [12:32] <mpt> http://www.useit.com/alertbox/980614.html [12:33] <kiko> I even knew the date on that by hard [12:33] <kiko> by heart, ARGH [12:33] <bradb> mpt: Launchpad lives and breathes by linkrot, so far. [12:35] <bradb> Anyway, redirecting or not, it sounds like I can still commit to never have a global, contextless bug page, right? [12:35] <bradb> (That's the most important point for me, in terms of fixing every portlet to work with an IBugTask context on what is currently the "bug page") [12:36] <mpt> I thought that was sabdfl's decision [12:36] <mpt> (though I was also considering it as one possibility) [12:36] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Fixes for three bugs. bug 1809: Incorrect Bugs facet link on PO template page (...+pots/something); bug 1808: Incorrect links in 'releases from this branch' portlet; bug 1807: Incorrect links in distrorelease's actions portlet. BjornT owes me beer (patch-2293: christian.reis@canonical.com) [12:39] <bradb> Right, then I guess what I'll do is change the portlets in question to expect that the name "bug" be defined in their namespace, and have two pages, bug-index.pt, and bugtask-index.pt, which each define bug accordingly for the portlets to Just Work. [12:40] <bradb> And wait and see what the sabster says. [12:50] <bradb> Right, linkrot is bad. I hereby declare all Malone links immortal. [12:57] <bradb> Thinking about it: should there be a syntax to access the LaunchBag in ZPT? [12:58] <bradb> context/launchbag:bug, or something? [12:59] <bradb> context/launchbag:product, context/launchbag:user, etc. [01:00] <bradb> It seems to me that, if we have this magic bag of goodies, we might as well make use of it in as many places as it would make sense to do so (browser code seeming to be a place that it makes sense to do so.) [01:01] <cprov> see you tomorrow [01:01] <bradb> I believe this could simplify making the portlets that are currently shown on the bug page (and all the pages linked to from the bug actions porltets) Just Work, whether the context is a bug or a bugtask [01:01] <bradb> s/porltets/portlets/ [01:01] <bradb> kiko, mpt: Thoughts? [01:06] <kiko> bradb, isn't the portlet now invoked with a specific context? [01:06] <bradb> kiko: At the moment, it relies on its context being an IBug. [01:07] <kiko> is that a problem? [01:07] <bradb> yes [01:07] <lifeless> mpt: nope, back @ work [01:07] <bradb> As per the reasons above [01:08] <bradb> kiko: In the new URL scheme, the bug page will live at /products/foo/+bug/1, which means that the context becomes a task. [01:09] <bradb> kiko: i.e. To the user, everything still looks pretty much like the good ole bug page (decorated, perhaps, with some new contextual information), but underneath, there's been a fairly major shift. [01:10] <bradb> kiko: See what I mean? [01:17] <kiko> bradb, just update the portlets to always take tasks -- doesn't that solve the problem? [01:18] <bradb> kiko: That would break /malone/bugs/$bug.id (if we're intending for that page to continue to function as it does currently.) [01:19] <kiko> I just want that page to be a redirect [01:19] <kiko> if you can't do that, then I agree to nuke it away. [01:20] <bradb> it wouldn't be too hard to redirect [01:21] <bradb> I'll commit to the portlets counting on their context being a task, as per your suggestion [01:23] <kiko> I think that's the best and simplest solution [01:23] <mpt> So we're going to have /products/foo/+bug/1 and /products/foo/+bugs/1 ? [01:23] <mpt> that is such crack [01:24] <bradb> +bug is crack-o-dementia, but I just work here... [01:25] <mpt> Well, maybe we can quietly redirect the former to the latter at some point [01:25] <kiko> bradb, can we skip +bug for now, in a last ditch effort? [01:26] <bradb> kiko: 3 against <unrepresented> sounds good to me. [01:26] <kiko> how hard is it going to be to change it to +bug later? [01:26] <mpt> kiko: skip +bug in favor of what? [01:26] <kiko> +bugs [01:27] <mpt> So you're signing on to merging the bug and task pages? [01:27] <kiko> huh? [01:27] <kiko> bradb, can you help mpt :) [01:27] <bradb> mpt: there's also +viewstatus and +editstatus [01:27] <mpt> kiko, the task page is currently at +bugs [01:27] <bradb> mpt: i.e. there will be [01:28] <bradb> so, .../+bugs/1 => contextual bug page, .../+bugs/1/+{view,edit}status => what is currently the task page [01:28] <mpt> oh, ok [01:28] <mpt> So where normal bugtrackers have one page for a bug, we have three [01:28] <mpt> but that's fixable [01:28] <bradb> That seems relatively sane, IMHO. A .../+bug/1 flying out of nowhere was the most crackish bit, to me. [01:29] <mpt> ok, I'm getting 15 errors on make check, which don't seem to be anything to do with me [01:29] <bradb> mpt: No, we'll continue to only have two, but in fact, we don't have only two, we have about 10. [01:29] <mpt> ProgrammingError: ERROR: relation "person" does not exist [01:29] <mpt> SELECT defaultmembershipperiod, defaultrenewalperiod, timezone, calendar, teamdescription, password, subscriptionpolicy, teamowner, merged, displayname, givenname, name, familyname, datecreated, karma FROM Person WHERE id = 1 [01:29] <kiko> mpt, that usually means that one test failed and then the rest bombed out after it [01:30] <kiko> what's your first test failure [01:30] <mpt> well, that's the first one [01:30] <bradb> mpt: well "two", where there's actually a third in there, but it's a view/edit thing, and you'll only see a link to one or the other at a time [01:30] <mpt> called by Failed example: print Person.get(1).name [01:30] <mpt> line 58, in test_zopeless_reconnect.txt [01:31] <mpt> bradb: for which JavaScript can save us [01:31] <kiko> the view/edit bit is besides the point here [01:31] <kiko> bradb, at worse, you can just make +bug be an alias for +bugs and change the links, shouldn't be too hard, right? [01:33] <mpt> kiko: Would I be right in concluding that the database isn't working at all? [01:35] <bradb> kiko: Making +bug/1 and +bugs/1 traverse to the same thing is very trivial. [01:35] <mpt> DOIT [01:36] <kiko> bradb, right -- then you can fix the links later and say "oh, I forgot" :) [01:38] <bradb> heh [01:39] <kiko> o/~ giving him drugs o/~ [01:39] <mpt> kiko? [01:40] <kiko> music [01:40] <mpt> File "/home/mpt/ubuntu/launchpad/lib/canonical/database/ftests/test_zopeless_reconnect.txt", line 122, in test_zopeless_reconnect.txt [01:40] <mpt> Failed example: time.sleep(1) [01:40] <mpt> Differences (ndiff with -expected +actual): - thread after execute - thread end [01:40] <mpt> That's probably a more informative example [01:41] <bradb> I don't worry about failures in those reconnect thingies [01:41] <kiko> that's crack, mpt, ignore it [01:41] <mpt> Well, ok, but that still leaves me with 14 database-y failures [01:47] <mpt> oh, some of them are actually my fault [01:48] <jordi> can anyone check in the database for me if Luxemburguish has plural forms data already? [01:51] <jordi> apparently it is [01:53] <mpt> jordi: Just try translating something into Luxemb[o?] urgish and see if Rosetta complains [01:54] <kiko-zzz> bradb, you should use macros a LOT more than you currently do [01:54] <kiko-zzz> the code in bugtask-assignee-widget could be made 5x shorter [01:54] <kiko-zzz> and I hate fixing the same bug 3x [01:59] <bradb> kiko-zzz: Indeed. [02:13] <jordi> mdz_: I dd that, seems to be god [02:13] <jordi> now, why am I getting this system error [02:15] <mdz_> jordi: eh? [02:22] <jordi> mdz_: launchpad. It is so broken. :) [02:22] <jordi> mdz_: actually, it seems I still have this ability to break it very well. [02:22] <mdz_> jordi: why are you telling me? ;-) [02:23] <jordi> uh. [02:23] <jordi> s/mdz_/mpt/g, who left the channel [02:23] <jordi> mdz_: POP THE TRUNK [02:23] <jordi> I'm going to bed. [02:23] <mdz_> jordi: that's more like it [02:24] <kiko-zzz> bradb, ping? [02:24] <bradb> kiko-zzz: pong [02:24] <kiko-zzz> bradb, I found a bug in the assignee widget [02:24] <kiko-zzz> are you ready for it? [02:24] <bradb> Sure. [02:24] <kiko-zzz> click on assign [02:25] <kiko-zzz> assign to foo.bar [02:25] <kiko-zzz> (click on edit, gah) [02:25] <kiko-zzz> click save [02:25] <kiko-zzz> you're teleported and foo.bar is the owner, right? [02:25] <kiko-zzz> now click on edit again [02:25] <kiko-zzz> don't change anything [02:25] <kiko-zzz> click save [02:25] <bradb> you aren't tp'd, yeah, i know [02:26] <kiko-zzz> tp'd? [02:26] <bradb> teleported [02:26] <bradb> It's a simple fix, maybe. [02:26] <kiko-zzz> no [02:26] <kiko-zzz> that's not the bug [02:26] <kiko-zzz> the bug is that you /are/ tp'd [02:26] <kiko-zzz> AND [02:26] <bradb> what's the issue then? I can't look right now, because I broke the URLs. [02:26] <kiko-zzz> the assignee is unset [02:26] <kiko-zzz> the reason is that you are using the same name for both inputs [02:26] <kiko-zzz> assigned_to [02:26] <kiko-zzz> I'll fix it for you tomorrow, anyway [02:27] <bradb> Argh, I totally fixed that problem, but I guess I only fixed one aspect of that problem (i.e. using the same name for both radios) [02:27] <kiko-zzz> the fix is to use different names, really [02:27] <bradb> yeah, normally, it should [02:27] <bradb> assigned_to and assign_to [02:27] <kiko-zzz> but we can fix that tomorrow [02:27] <kiko-zzz> was just a heads-up [02:28] <bradb> ok, thanks [02:28] <bradb> I even have two different names defined for them in parts of that template and as attributes on the view class (view/assigned_to and view/assign_to), but I guess that was a code path I didn't test. [02:31] <bradb> for that matter, looking at the template code, it's unclear to me how they're ending up with the same name, but anyway [02:36] <kiko-zzz> bradb, where is assignedToCurrentUser defined? [02:36] <bradb> kiko-zzz: on BugTaskAssigneeWidget [02:37] <bradb> aka, ctrl-] [02:37] <kiko-zzz> thanks [02:38] <kiko-zzz> I think I found the error [02:38] <bradb> kiko-zzz: What's causing it to have the same name? I can see no reason here for why that should happen. [02:38] <kiko-zzz> yep [02:38] <kiko-zzz> it doesn't actually have the same name [02:39] <kiko-zzz> it's missing a clause [02:39] <kiko-zzz> because YOU ARE NOT CODING PROTECTIVELY! [02:39] <kiko-zzz> look at getInputValue [02:39] <kiko-zzz> I see an elif at the end of the branch [02:40] <kiko-zzz> and NO raise AssertionError in an else clause (or at the end of the function) [02:40] <kiko-zzz> may this never happen again! [02:40] <bradb> ah, yeah [02:41] <kiko-zzz> I'll fix it for you tomorrow for free [02:41] <kiko-zzz> if you do a fast r=bradb afterwards :) [02:41] <bradb> An untested code path, ultimately (despite the fact that this is problem the mostly thoroughly tested custom z3 widget mankind has ever known) [02:41] <bradb> s/problem/probably/ [02:42] <kiko-zzz> we're going to have to use a hidden input if we want this to be fixable trivially [02:42] <kiko-zzz> argh [02:42] <kiko-zzz> or maybe not [02:43] <bradb> indeed, no need for a hidden field, i don't think [02:45] <kiko-zzz> fixed [02:45] <bradb> kiko-zzz: btw, where did you add <label>? I specifically left that off of the radio options, as per our earlier discussion when I showed you and mpt the widget. [02:46] <kiko-zzz> all radiobutton options must have labels<tm> [02:46] <kiko-zzz> I'll send you a diff now [02:46] <bradb> kiko-zzz: Are they bolded now? [02:46] <kiko-zzz> yes, though you can fix that [02:47] <kiko-zzz> fixed [02:47] <bradb> wee [02:48] <kiko-zzz> I'll send you a diff, can you please add a test for this case and check if I didn't do too much cleaning up [02:48] <kiko-zzz> I didn't see reason for half the code in the template, and it still worksforme without it, so... [02:49] <bradb> Sure, I'll take a look at it tomorrow morning, ok? [02:49] <kiko-zzz> as long as you properly credit the fix :-) [02:49] <bradb> like this: arch-submit-merge "[trivial] An awesome fix I DID" $pqm [02:49] <bradb> :P [02:50] <bradb> If I'm adding the test, I want a 50% cut [02:51] <bradb> 240 lines of doctest on this widget and woosh, bug. I hate programming. [02:51] <kiko-zzz> :-P [02:51] <kiko-zzz> I hate tests [02:51] <kiko-zzz> they make you focus too much on tests [02:51] <kiko-zzz> not on the code quality [02:52] <kiko-zzz> mail sent, bradb [02:53] <bradb> thanks. /me writes an activity report. [02:54] <kiko-zzz> http://pqm.ubuntu.com/ [02:54] <kiko-zzz> more love from me [02:54] <bradb> kiko-zzz: dude, you *abuse* trivial :) [02:55] <kiko-zzz> tomorrow I'm all rosetta's [02:55] <kiko-zzz> bradb, well, somebody needs to get bugfixes in [02:55] <kiko-zzz> if you think I crapped out call me out in public and I'll hang my head in shame [02:55] <kiko-zzz> I'm now gone [02:55] <kiko-zzz> ciao [02:55] <bradb> later [06:15] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Add kamacacheupdater section to production1 instance's launchpad.conf (patch-2294: stuart.bishop@canonical.com) [07:55] <lifeless> stub: ping [07:55] <stub> lifeless: pong [07:56] <lifeless> I hear you are chatting with jim about testing foo [07:56] <lifeless> I'm interested in what you are doing, cause I'm trying to reduce the NIHness of the various python test runners. [07:56] <lifeless> and I'd hate to have this be a game of whack a mole [07:57] <stub> I just sent another reply to zope-dev, so if you hunt out the archive it should be right at the bottom. The thread is only three messages deep so far ;) [07:57] <lifeless> I will get spiv to show me [07:57] <lifeless> but whats the general tack you are taking ? [07:58] <lifeless> it is putting smarts in the runner, the result or the case ? or is it changing the api ? [07:58] <lifeless> will you be able to run the tests with the stock testrunner (which is the ideal test for doing it right) [08:02] <stub> The thread is about replacing the Z3 and Z2 test runner with one that is more general purpose (which I assume will end up in Python 2.5 or 2.6 if it meets its goals) [08:03] <stub> Main feature is optimizing fixtures so that environments are only setup or torn down a minimum number of times (eg. stuff like Zope does already with the compoenent architecture). Also cute things like if a fixture can't be torn down (raises a NotImplementedError), the test runner reinvokes itself in a fresh process to keep going. [08:03] <stub> Jim likes layers, I like a set of resources. Which is what I'm arguing about [08:06] <stub> http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2005-August/025302.html [08:06] <stub> http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2005-August/025304.html [08:06] <stub> http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2005-August/025305.html [08:06] <stub> http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2005-August/025310.html [08:09] <stub> You will not be able to run the tests using the standard test runner, because the tests specify the environment they depend on. Although I don't see why this couldn't be made so. [08:27] <lifeless> so [08:29] <lifeless> looks to me like you guys don't quite get how unittest is meant to work [08:29] <lifeless> the goal of unittest is that there is no coupling between testrunner and testcase other than testcase.run(), and testcase.id() between the testcase and the testresult [08:30] <lifeless> all that you want to do is near-trivially done via an appropriate TestCase subclass, and fixing it via a runner is harmful [08:30] <stub> The runner selects the order tests are run in. A test can't do that because it doesn't have enough context. [08:31] <stub> So sure, a test should be runnable without a runner. And that can be added. But optimizing the order tests are run in is the job of the test runner. [08:35] <lifeless> you want test ordering to ensure that tests needing similar things are grouped together right ? [08:36] <lifeless> by definition any test case should be standalone [08:36] <spiv> AIUI, this is an optimisation -- all tests can be standalone, but if run in a certain order the resource setUp/tearDown can be intelligent enough to save a lot of work. [08:37] <stub> Unfortunately setting up and tearing down the entire environment for every test does not scale if you have a lot of tests and a large amount of environment [08:37] <lifeless> right, not debating that. [08:37] <lifeless> (well, there are arguments that can be had w.r.t. mock objects et al, but that is a different discussion) [08:38] <stub> So the test case should say 'oh - this bit of environment I want is already running, so I'm not going to set it up. And I can't tear it down either in case the next test wants to use it'. [08:38] <spiv> (indeed :) ) [08:39] <lifeless> stub: so, something like this would make sense to me: [08:40] <lifeless> write a TestCase class whose setUp and tearDown use a self._resources list to determine what they need and ask them to be setup/torndown - and those resource's methods use refcounting to decide what to do [08:41] <lifeless> use iteration over the tests to introspect TestCases that derive from/ or implement the interface of, this specialised TestCase, and create an appropriately ordered TestSuite [08:41] <lifeless> then use whichever runner you want to actually run the tetss [08:48] <lifeless> testsuites define order because testrunner.run() calls run(result) on the suite it is given [08:48] <lifeless> so a suite can change order, or just be used as an ordered container [08:49] <stub> That is placing the burden on determining if a resource should be torn down on the resource rather than the test runner (which is doable with a subclass). ie. the resource would need to have the test suite and the last test run and determine if the next test in uses it as a resource. [08:50] <lifeless> nope [08:50] <lifeless> erm. [08:51] <spiv> I think lifeless is proposing that the TestSuite would do this, rather than the TestRunner or the resource? [08:52] <lifeless> so, we would need a testsuite subclass that manages the resources [08:53] <lifeless> it would ask for a setup before a group and a teardown after, so the setup and teardown calls from the Case would become noops [08:53] <lifeless> (though they would have effect if/when run without the magic testsuite optimiser) [08:54] <stub> This means you are making the TestSuite the test runner. Currently the default runner iterates over a test suite and executes the tests. You are suggesting making the testsuite into the runner. [08:54] <lifeless> the default runner asks a suite to run [08:54] <bob2> oh, zope-dev, not zope3-dev [08:55] <lifeless> this preserves that model. peeking inside testsuites and manually walking them breaks the model [08:56] <spiv> I believe that the division of work in xUnit is that a TestRunner does TestSuite.run(), not that it does "tests = testsuite.gettests(); ... ; for test in tests: test.run()". [08:56] <jdub> :-) [08:57] <lifeless> TestCase is a composite, its bad karma to to do gettests ;0 [09:00] <stub> ok. that all seems to make sense - just shuffling stuff around a bit. Jim is very much focused on what he needs to Z3 and Z2 work, so I first of all need to convince him that other projects need a more flexible model (or him to educate me on why he is right). [09:00] <lifeless> so there are concrete advantages here: [09:01] <lifeless> * any other unittest compatible runner will still do the right thing: test_suite() just returns this smarter TestSuite instance. [09:01] <lifeless> * single test running does not become a special case. [09:01] <lifeless> * gui test runners, co-process runners, and remote runners dont become special cases [09:02] <lifeless> other xUnit folk will grok it quickly [09:02] <stub> Hmm... the burden of tearing down a resource is on the testsuite now, which does not seem correct. [09:02] <lifeless> in the optimised case yes [09:03] <lifeless> but the non optimised case will still use tearDown [09:03] <lifeless> remember that the runner has _no_ visibility to the internal structure of a TestSuite [09:03] <stub> So a TestCase now needs to know if it is being used by an optimized TestSuite and change its behavior accordingly [09:03] <lifeless> the 'TestRunner' I mean. [09:03] <lifeless> no, they always call setUp on resources, but if already setup its a noop [09:03] <lifeless> I can draft up a demo tomorrow if you like. [09:04] <stub> lifeless: I mean tearDown. [09:04] <lifeless> tearDown would decrement a refcount [09:04] <lifeless> (in the resource) [09:04] <stub> btw. I think Jims code may still be using TextTestRunner btw. You are confusing the command line tool that runs the tests with the unittest.TestRunner class I think. [09:05] <stub> There are other features for doing in the test runner btw., such as coping with Resources that cannot be torn down. [09:06] <lifeless> I'm so not confusing it [09:07] <lifeless> there are > 100 lOC replacing the runner with module level naughty foo [09:07] <lifeless> The problem is responsibility, the runner is not 'the thing that runs the tests', its 'the thing that provides a UI for running the tests'. [09:09] <lifeless> so, if a resource cant be torn down, what should happen ? [09:09] <stub> The test runner reinvokes itself as a fresh process starting at the next test [09:10] <lifeless> now imagine your runner is a gui [09:10] <lifeless> thats going to be pretty harsh to do to the user. [09:10] <stub> Indeed - the standard model doesn't work. So the gui needs to talk to the test runner running as a different process and render its output nicely. [09:11] <lifeless> however, its ok in the xUnit model for the testsuite to fork, and then start getting feedback frmo the child proess, calling result.add* as things happen [09:11] <lifeless> the standard model does work; ;) [09:12] <lifeless> the RightWay to implement that is a subclass of TestSuite that adds a process barrier [09:12] <stub> ok. that sounds sane. So implementation wise would be to take what Jim wrote and stuff it all into a TestSuite. [09:13] <lifeless> as a first approximation, yes. [09:14] <stub> I don't know if there is anything special involved in fitting DocTestSuite and DocFileSuites into the mix - don't see any problem. [09:14] <stub> Although I don't like Jim's heirarchy, so I'm not sure how much would be worth preserving [09:16] <stub> SchoolTools and py.test seem heirarchical on their fixtures too, which sucks. Schooltool seems to use magic .py files in the tree and py.test well known method names (setup_module, setup_class) etc. which are invoked magically. [09:17] <lifeless> I need to look at them at somepoint [09:32] <stub> lifeless: If I see pqm hung (like now) should I kill it, or would you rather now that you are back? [09:35] <lifeless> i'm hapy for you too following that emails instructions [09:36] <stub> nc killed [10:16] <carlos> morning [10:23] <lifeless> stub: oh, and you can decorate tests effectively if you use the approach I am suggesting, for extra code reuse. ;0 [10:49] <sabdfl> stub: is it possible to tell an auto-form to use a different vocabulary for a given widget? [10:51] <stub> vocabularies are attached to the schema field, and the widget is adapted from this field. So I think you just create a new interface, overriding the Choice with a new Choice with a different vocabulary, and render the form from that. [10:51] <sabdfl> stub: hmm... i think zope3 makes the mistake of conflating Interface with Schema [10:52] <stub> Although what you want might really be to make the vocabulary context sensitive, and interrogate the context to determine what choices are valid. [10:52] <stub> They arn't conflated - interfaces are just the mechanism used to document a Schema. [10:52] <sabdfl> stub: it's already context sensitive, but i want it to work in two different ways [10:53] <sabdfl> stub: then how do you tell the difference between an Interface used to document a form and one used to document the interface on a content object? [10:53] <stub> Its docstring? The module it was imported from? Naming conventions? [10:53] <sabdfl> none of which we have used, and i suspect none of which are standardised [10:54] <sabdfl> the two are fundamentally different [10:54] <sabdfl> one is function, the other presentation [10:55] <stub> Schemas are not presentation - that is forms. [10:56] <stub> I suppose a Schema is just an Interface that defines no function, and perhaps the issue is that *we* are mushing them together in our content objects? [10:57] <stub> (At one point I wanted to generate the base schemas for our content objects from the database, and have them subclassed to define function) [10:59] <sabdfl> the part of a schema that talks about the title, description, requiredness etc, is presentation [10:59] <sabdfl> the part that describes attributes (which overlaps with the presentation bit) is function [11:00] <sabdfl> i think they should be separated [11:00] <stub> title is data, description is data, requiredness is validation. If you render it, eg. by taking the data, quoting it and spitting it out on a web page, that bit is presentation [11:01] <sabdfl> ok [11:01] <sabdfl> but... [11:01] <BjornT> i think the main problem is that there's no easy way of defining how a schema is to be presented. there were some discussions about it, but no-one came up with a good solution [11:01] <sabdfl> often you want the same data to have different validation on different forms [11:01] <stub> I've been in an argumentative mood all day btw. Something in the water ;) [11:01] <sabdfl> currently, that requires a second Interface, which is imo nonsense [11:03] <stub> I don't see a problem with that. If you have different attributes, or different constraints, you have a different schema. Trying to take a schema (a definition of data and constraints) and mush it into different shapes seems wrong. Inheritance could make this easy if we structure things correctly (or maybe it will make a huge and confusing tree of Interfaces like Z3 core has ;) ) [11:05] <stub> So you have to say """ class MySpecializedSchema(BaseSchema): foo = Choice(vocabulary='specialized') """ to create a new schema, based on another one. Any alternative is really just another way of spelling that, or possibly a helper or some sort. [11:06] <stub> Of course, now that someone has ported XmlSchemas to the Z3 environment we could use them instead ;) [11:18] <carlos> jamesh, hi, around? [12:28] <sabdf1> carlos: languagepack status? [12:29] <carlos> sabdf1, whitespace migration script done [12:29] <carlos> I'm preparing new language packs [12:29] <carlos> to be checked by Martin [12:29] <sabdf1> cool! [12:29] <carlos> sabdf1, oo.org language packs are beeing tested aslo now by doko [12:30] <carlos> sabdf1, and firefox has been moved to breezy + 1 as they need big code changes to pootle's scripts [12:30] <sabdf1> awesome [12:30] <carlos> ;-) [12:31] <sabdf1> well done [12:31] <sabdf1> will we catch whitespace problems coming in now? [12:33] <carlos> sabdf1, yes [12:33] <sabdf1> cool [12:33] <sabdf1> any other known issues? [12:33] <carlos> sabdf1, we detected some issues with some exports and plural forms [12:34] <carlos> but need to get the sample data to reproduce that issue [12:34] <carlos> anyway, I think it does not affect us too much as users didn't complain about that [12:34] <sabdf1> ok [12:47] <froud> hi, can somebody explain the Rosetta process for me. Do translators have to download the pot and create a po on local machine or do they do that automatically when they start translating? [12:52] <sabdf1> automatically [12:53] <sabdf1> we need to know the usual plural form for that language, but we have it for most languages now [12:53] <sabdf1> if the po file deviates from the normal plural form, they need to be able to figure that out and let us know [12:53] <sabdf1> but that's very rare [12:53] <sabdf1> otherwise it's pretty much as it seems [12:53] <sabdf1> froud: ^ [12:55] <froud> sabdf1: k, just trying to get OpenICDL [http://icdl.tsf.org.za] users to understand the system...which is hard to do when I myslef don't understand it :-) [12:55] <froud> sabdf1: so best way is for users to use the web-based interface to do translations and rosetta take care of the rest [12:56] <sabdf1> yes [12:56] <sabdf1> you need to upload, and update, the POT [12:56] <sabdf1> they should be able to do everything else themselves [12:57] <sabdf1> when you are close to a release, download all the PO files [12:57] <sabdf1> bundle those in your tarball, and off you go [12:58] <froud> sabdf1: thx 2 jordi the POT files are there now its getting user who don't understand Rosetta to actually use it. [12:58] <sabdf1> point them at the template page [12:58] <sabdf1> ask them to select their language if it isn't automatically detected from browser and location [12:58] <sabdf1> then they click on the language and start translating [12:58] <sabdf1> that is all [01:04] <froud> sabdf1: thanks [01:14] <dand> sabdf1: is malone the right place to report a change in plural form for a certain language? or should we wait for gettext to update first? [01:15] <dand> right now we edit the plural form for each translation, which is not a problem... a default would be nice though [01:19] <sabdf1> dand: report to carlos [01:19] <sabdf1> or file bug in malone, and assign to carlos [01:20] <carlos> dand, send me an email with that information and I will handle it now [01:21] <carlos> carlos.perello@canonical.com [01:22] <dand> carlos: thanks, i'll do that [01:23] <carlos> dand, np [01:27] <dand> carlos: sent [01:36] <carlos> dand, done, it should be applied today or tomorrow on production [01:43] <dand> carlos: you guys rock! /me's gonna print this channel's log as a motivational poster :) [01:43] <carlos> dand, :-) [01:47] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--production--1.29: Cherry pick patch-2294 (patch-2: stuart.bishop@canonical.com, rocketfuel@canonical.com) [02:01] <sabdf1> elmo: you rock [02:13] <stub> carlos: plural form updated [02:21] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Updated Romanian plural forms (patch-2295: carlos.perello@canonical.com) [02:24] <salgado> stub, ping [02:27] <stub> salgado: pong [02:28] <salgado> stub, I had to drop the NOT NULL constraint in Vote.preference, because people can leave some options without preference in a condorcet poll [02:28] <salgado> stub, do you think it can be a problem? [02:29] <stub> No problem. The constraints are purely there as a safety net to your code. The change seems sane. [02:30] <Kinnison> salgado: why not simply fill out the empty options with how condorcet will treat them (I.E. all the same, one lower than anything the user specified)? [02:33] <sabdf1> what's the use case for condorcet polls? [02:34] <salgado> Kinnison, because in the UI you choose the options in the order you want (1 for your most preferred, 2 for your second most preferred, and so on). then I'd have to choose an arbitrarily huge number to use [02:34] <Kinnison> salgado: There's some number of choices yes? [02:34] <salgado> sabdf1, this is what they use in debian, AFAIK [02:34] <sabdf1> salgado: have they asked to use LP? [02:35] <sabdf1> iirc we were only going to do basic voting for 1.0 [02:35] <sabdf1> and i think condorcet is YAGNI [02:35] <sabdf1> for 1.0, at least [02:35] <salgado> sabdf1, no, but that (preferential voting) was in the first BasicVoting you wrote [02:36] <sabdfl> hmm... preferential is not condorcet, i don't think, is it? [02:36] <sabdfl> condorcet is much trickier [02:36] <sabdfl> preferential is just "who is preferred by most", isn't it? [02:36] <stub> condorcet is a form of preferential voting. there are a number of different preferential methods [02:37] <Kinnison> condorcet isn't actually complex to implement, just to understand [02:37] <sabdfl> ok, all i wanted was "preferred by most" [02:37] <stub> For example, in Australian preferential voting in elections, we must give a unique preference for each candidate. Other preferential systems (such as condorcet) relax that restriction. [02:37] <sabdfl> we can do A, B, C, which is the most popular? [02:38] <salgado> Kinnison, yes, I could use a number like len(options) + 1, but mpt thinks we should allow people to choose whatever number they want as the preference. (e.g. they could choose a preference of 666 and want to see it there when they come back to edit their votes) [02:38] <sabdfl> salgado: please don't spend any more time implementing condorcet [02:38] <stub> sabdfl: I'm sure there is a political science thesis in determining what 'preferred by most' means [02:38] <salgado> sabdfl, it's already implemented and up for review [02:38] <sabdfl> the UI, for a start, will be a pain, to provide a ranked result [02:38] <salgado> I already moved to ShipItNG [02:38] <sabdfl> do you have a basic "got the most votes" option? [02:38] <salgado> sabdfl, for now we're providing the pairwise matrix [02:39] <sabdfl> salgado: for the record, that's total crack [02:39] <sabdfl> whoever's reviewing it, please bounce it on that UI alone [02:39] <sabdfl> *DENIED* [02:40] <sabdfl> salgado: please resubmit with just a basic most-votes, where the UI is just select-one-option-by-radio-button [02:40] <sabdfl> condorcet can come later, when there's a real use case [02:40] <sabdfl> stub: could you help me with a query please? [02:40] <sabdfl> this is for Person.merge [02:40] <stub> sure [02:41] <sabdfl> ok, we have SpecificationReview which has (spec, reviewer) UNIQUE [02:41] <salgado> sabdfl, that means just droping the CONDORCET item in PollAlgorithm. then people won't be able to create condorcet-style polls. [02:41] <sabdfl> salgado: yes please [02:41] <sabdfl> it wasn't in the spec, iirc, and the UI you've described is inappropriate [02:42] <stub> salgado: Please keep the page tests though, so we can switch it on when someone requests it [02:42] <sabdfl> please confirm that you have a simple poll where users can pick the best of N options, and the winner is the one that got the most votes [02:42] <salgado> stub, sure. I'm not going to remove any tests [02:43] <salgado> sabdfl, sure. we have that. [02:43] <sabdfl> stub: i want to UPDATE the specreviews that will not result in creating a (spec, reviewer) pair that matches an existing one [02:43] <sabdfl> i tried: [02:43] <sabdfl> select id from specificationreview where reviewer=13 and id not in (select id from specificationreview as a where a.reviewer=1 and a.specification=specificationreview.specification); [02:43] <sabdfl> but that's a bust [02:44] <sabdfl> sorry, it's with test data [02:45] <sabdfl> i was trying to "find/update all the ones where the resulting update won't look like an existing record" [02:48] <sabdfl> stub: any suggestions? [02:48] <stub> Sorry - was looking for an example. I could have sworn I had already done a similar one in person merge ;-/ [02:50] <stub> update specreview set reviewer=new_reviewer where reviewer=old_reviewer and id not in (select id from specreview as s2 where id=specreview.id and reviewer=new_reviewer); [02:50] <stub> I havn't got the tables around, so that is untested. Might need to tweak the table aliasing. [02:54] <sabdfl> hmm [02:54] <sabdfl> just found BountySupscription [02:54] <sabdfl> i think that's the same [02:54] <sabdfl> and it's slightly different to the one you just gave [02:55] <stub> Mr. Consistency, thats me ;) [02:55] <sabdfl> which is better? [02:56] <sabdfl> nup [02:56] <sabdfl> the one you just gave is busted [02:57] <stub> Maybe it is late, but I can't for the life of me think why I need to join bountysubscription to itself in that subquery ;/ [02:57] <Kinnison> Ran 456 tests in 626.772s [02:57] <Kinnison> FAILED (failures=2) [02:57] <Kinnison> Woohoo! [02:57] <Kinnison> very few failures left [03:02] <Kinnison> I think those failures are because the buildd slave tests don't work if there's a buildd slave running [03:09] <stub> sabdfl: update bountysubscription set person=9 where person=4 and bounty not in (select bounty from bountysubscription where person=9); works for bountysubscription [03:15] <sabdfl> stub: nup [03:15] <sabdfl> ah [03:15] <sabdfl> yes [03:15] <sabdfl> using bounty makes it simpler than using id [03:16] <sabdfl> i've got it working using the previous version for bountysubscription [03:16] <stub> Feel free to replace the existing crackfull BountySubscription migration code ;) [03:17] <sabdfl> salgado, stub: is production running the foaf-update-karma script? [03:17] <sabdfl> it doesn't appear to be updating it [03:17] <stub> Nope - it died when I migrated the cronjob to gangotri. I just cherry picked the fix (missing stuff in gangotris config file), but havn't rolled it out yet. [03:18] <sabdfl> ok [03:18] <sabdfl> stub: when was the last production update? [03:18] <stub> Yesterday [03:19] <sabdfl> ok, cool, thanks. it's looking good. [03:19] <stub> patch-2283 IIRC [03:19] <sabdfl> mpt: i fixed about 29 page test failures from the new main_template [03:19] <sabdfl> you're welcome ;-) [03:19] <mpt> heh [03:19] <mpt> I only fixed two warnings you created [03:20] <mpt> so I've got a way to catch up yet [03:24] <stub> If you paste the full traceback I could probably tell you [03:24] <sabdfl> stub: done [03:25] <sabdfl> warnings? [03:25] <sabdfl> stub: i also fixed validators.bugs.py [03:25] <sabdfl> it's now in interfaces.validation [03:25] <salgado> stub, how do I order some GROUPED BY results by a count(*) and get only the rows with the higher count (assuming there maybe rows with equal count)? [03:25] <sabdfl> along with some propery url validation bits [03:26] <stub> sabdfl: Ta. [03:26] <mpt> stub: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileFjuxYp.html [03:27] <stub> salgado: select count(*),name from foo group by name order by count(*) ? [03:27] <stub> erm... count(*) desc [03:28] <salgado> stub, yes, that's what I have, but I need to get *only* the rows with the higher count [03:28] <salgado> is it possible? [03:28] <stub> select count(*),name from foo group by name having count(*) = max(count(*)) might work [03:29] <stub> or just select count(*),name from foo group by name order by count(*) desc limit 1; [03:29] <stub> oh... you want all with the highest count... [03:29] <salgado> yes, the limit won't work [03:31] <stub> mpt: erk. either the test is connecting as the wrong user or hasn't initialized the database correctly. But neither should be the case for a system doctest test ;-/ [03:33] <stub> salgado: select count(*),bounty from bountysubscription group by bounty having count(*) = (select count(*) from bountysubscription group by bounty order by count(*) desc limit 1) [03:33] <mpt> salgado: You're in charge of the database setup, is this something you can fix? [03:35] <salgado> stub, great. that's exactly what I need. thanks. :) [03:35] <salgado> mpt, what's the problem? [03:37] <mpt> salgado: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileFjuxYp.html [03:39] <stub> I can't see any obvious problem on my copy of that test [03:40] <salgado> mpt, the database setup is the same as yesterday and the same that I'm using. I don't think this failure can be related to the fact that you use another postmaster [03:41] <mpt> ok, thanks anyway [03:55] <stub> salgado: That test is explicitly connecting to port 5432, so mpt is probably talking to the wrong postmaster [03:55] <stub> (fixable by adding the postmaster port to the config file?) [03:55] <salgado> oh, no. is this a new test? [03:56] <stub> Dunno, although I expect it is an older one. Might have been passing before by accident ;) [03:56] <stub> Only the reconnect tests will hardcode the port btw., so only one or two. [04:16] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [r=BjornT] Fix for bug 1785: Librarian doesn't handle unicode filenames properly. Plus more tests. (patch-2296: andrew.bennetts@canonical.com) [04:18] <wdamn> hi everybody, I'd like to help the translation of zope into italian - I've subscribed to launchpad but I don't understand HOWTO. some links would be welcome. thank you [04:25] <mpt> wdamn: Ok, go to https://launchpad.products/zope then click "Translations", then "Template 'zope' in Zope 3.1", then "Italian" [04:30] <carlos> dand, the plural form change is now on production. stub, thanks! [04:31] <dand> carlos: gracias :) [04:39] <sabdfl> wdamn: https://launchpad.net/products/zope/ then further per mpt's instructions [04:39] <kiko> hey sabdfl [04:40] <sabdfl> hiya [04:43] <kiko> I'm sick :-( [04:44] <carlos> kiko, :-( [04:44] <carlos> superkiko never get sick! [04:44] <carlos> :-P [04:44] <kiko> yeah, it's been quite a while -- since switzerland [04:47] <sabdfl> kiko: i got a nasty bug on The Island [04:48] <sabdfl> kiko: and aren't you due for a holiday? always happens. [04:51] <wdamn> sabdfl, mpt: thank you :) [04:52] <mpt> You can't be sick, kiko, you need to review my [not-so-trivial] fixes [04:53] <carlos> mpt, :-D [04:55] <kiko> mpt, I can review even while sick [04:55] <dand> I noticed some translations I entered last week in Rosetta for gnome-app-install (ro) are now missing. should I enter them again or there's a temporary glitch? [04:56] <Kinnison> hey sabdfl, you coming to camby this w/e? [04:56] <sabdfl> Kinnison: bbq on sat? [04:56] <Kinnison> sabdfl: yep [04:56] <sabdfl> i'm going to be speaking at aKademy [04:56] <Kinnison> sabdfl: :-( [04:57] <sabdfl> bling bling [04:57] <Kinnison> sabdfl: there's sunday and monday too [04:57] <sabdfl> bling bling bling [04:57] <kiko> carlos, check out dand's report? [04:57] <sabdfl> am only getting back monday night :-/ [04:57] <dand> kiko: thanks :) [04:57] <Kinnison> sabdfl: fair enough, enjoy aKademy [04:57] <sabdfl> Kinnison: thanks, and regards to TheKrowd [04:58] <carlos> dand, could you give me a more concrete clue? [04:58] <carlos> dand, for instance, a concrete msgid that you know you already translated would be really helpful [04:58] <dand> carlos: sure: "Add or Remove Applications" [04:58] <dand> carlos: it was translated 100% [04:59] <Kinnison> sabdfl: how Kute. I'll pass on your Kind Komments [04:59] <carlos> dand, URL? [04:59] <dand> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/gnome-app-install/+pots/gnome-app-install/ro/+translate [04:59] <sabdfl> kiko: now that i'm playing more with the menu system, i think the inheritance is confusing, and we should go to straight objects + facets [04:59] <sabdfl> if an object has no Bugs facet, it gets no Bugs tab [04:59] <sabdfl> mpt: ^ ? [04:59] <dand> carlos: I don't think there were 44 strings in all, I wish I had a po export... [05:00] <dand> carlos: are there multiple templates of gnome-app-install available? [05:00] <carlos> dand, there is such feature... [05:00] <kiko> sabdfl, makes sense to me [05:00] <dand> carlos: yeah, I know. I just wish I would have used it for gnome-app-install, after translating it [05:00] <kiko> sabdfl, do the facets disappear or just get unlinked? [05:00] <carlos> dand, if you added it to our database, you have it there [05:00] <carlos> is not lost [05:01] <carlos> but perhaps could be a bug that has disabled it [05:01] <mpt> sabdfl: That's what I said to kiko yesterday, once LaunchpadHierarchyNavigation is implemented, every facet should be at the same level, or not available at all. [05:01] <sabdfl> kiko: disappear [05:02] <sabdfl> though, unlinking gives the muscle memory advantage [05:02] <dand> carlos: I'll try translating it 100%, watch it closely and let you know if it happens again [05:02] <kiko> right [05:02] <carlos> dand, no, please, wait [05:03] <dand> carlos: ok [05:03] <carlos> Let me finish what I'm doing atm and I will take a close look at it [05:03] <carlos> dand, can you file a bug with the information I just asked you? [05:03] <dand> carlos: absolutely, there's no hurry. thanks! [05:03] <carlos> dand, thank you [05:12] <kiko> mpt, is https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1263 fixed? [05:17] <mpt> yes [05:18] <carlos> kiko, btw whitespace data migration is done [05:18] <kiko> carlos, I know, wonderful, isn't it? [05:18] <carlos> kiko, :-) [05:19] <carlos> kiko, how do you want to handle the conflicts in daf's branch? [05:19] <carlos> kiko, I cannot commit unless I fix them [05:20] <kiko> hmmm [05:20] <kiko> hmmm [05:20] <kiko> complicated [05:20] <carlos> I know.. [05:21] <kiko> well [05:21] <kiko> what sort of changes are they? [05:21] <kiko> are they all interdependent? [05:21] <kiko> or can you just pull a patch and then remove the files which aren't rosetta-related? [05:22] <carlos> kiko, I can do the later [05:22] <carlos> it's a "cleanup" branch [05:22] <carlos> removes db imports, fix traversals, etc... [05:23] <kiko> right [05:23] <kiko> so generate a patch, mail me the non-rosetta parts, and take care of the rest [05:23] <kiko> we'll dead-end daf's branch [05:26] <kiko> hey [05:26] <kiko> who's our regular expression ninja? [05:26] <kiko> I have an interesting problem [05:26] <kiko> I want to match a string which may contain dots, commas and question marks /except/ for the last dot, comma or question mark [05:27] <carlos> kiko, ok [05:27] <carlos> will do it tomorrow, I will take care of other things today, I need to do some fun stuff now or will be too bored :-P [05:33] <stub> kiko: Sounds like a use case for lookaheads [05:34] <kiko> stub? [05:36] <stub> kiko: Check out the Python Library Reference. But from your description, all you want is ^([.,?] +)[.,?] $ [05:37] <kiko> the trailing bits are optional [05:37] <stub> Then ^([.,?] +?)[.,?] ?$ [05:38] <kiko> the trailing $ is really close to what I want [05:38] <kiko> I'll think more about it [05:40] <stub> eh? [05:41] <stub> Describing it in english properly is the first step anyway ;) [05:41] <mpt> "25 conflicted items in this tree." [05:41] <mpt> woohoo [05:42] <stub> Because I'm sure you really don't want to match a string consisiting of just punctuation like you said ;) [05:42] <kiko> stub, well: [05:42] <kiko> http://localhost:8086/malone/bugs/9. [05:42] <kiko> I don't want the match text to include the trailing dot [05:42] <kiko> better example: [05:42] <kiko> http://localhost:8086/malone/bugs/9.html. [05:42] <kiko> I don't want the match text to include the trailing dot [05:49] <stub> (http://[\w.] )(:\d+)?/([\w.,?] +?)[.,?] ? [05:50] <kiko> stub, that doesn't work in the case of: [05:50] <kiko> http://localhost:8086/malone/bugs/foo.bar.9.html. [05:50] <stub> It doesn't? [05:50] <kiko> no, it doesn't [05:50] <kiko> because the +? makes the match non-greedy [05:50] <kiko> so we stop matching at the first . we find [05:50] <stub> Ahh... so you need whitespace or $ termination in there too [05:51] <kiko> right, which is what I said above [05:52] <stub> (http://[\w.] )(:\d+)?/([\w.,?] +?)([.,?] ?(?=\s) would do whitespace termination [05:52] <carlos> mpt, how is your work queue? [05:52] <carlos> too big? [05:52] <stub> (http://[\w.] )(:\d+)?/([\w.,?] +?)([.,?] ?(?=\s)|$) might do it [05:53] <stub> Or you could install pyparsing as a dependancy, which has been getting good reviews for 'parsing stoof'. Not that I have played with it. [05:54] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: last bits of basic bug atttachment implemenation, plus some bug fixes. [r=spiv] (patch-2297: bjorn.tillenius@canonical.com) [05:58] <mpt> carlos: I'm tidying up Rosetta's translation form at the moment, then finishing cleaning up the actions portlets [05:58] <carlos> mpt, I would like to implement https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/TranslationReview [05:59] <carlos> mpt, but I will need some help with the javascript part [06:00] <mpt> carlos: yes, that's what I'm working on [06:00] <carlos> cool [06:01] <carlos> mpt, I need it for the pomsgsetview page [06:01] <carlos> so people can see suggestions for multiline entries [06:01] <carlos> mpt, please, tell me when it's ready [06:01] <carlos> so I can start with hte other spec [06:06] <mpt> ok [06:09] <mpt> Anyone know how to resolve a conflict in a binary file? [06:09] <kiko> delete it and add a new one [06:20] <kiko> bradb, are you hacking tests for the patch I submitted? [06:20] <bradb> kiko: No, I'm hacking MaloneSearchResults. [06:21] <bradb> But I could put that off to write the test for the BugTaskAssigneeWidget bugfix, if you want. [06:21] <kiko> well [06:21] <kiko> I'd like to get those tests in today to avoid having it broken for one more week [06:21] <kiko> is MSR looking landable? [06:23] <bradb> MSR will easily be review-queueable today, just a few kinks to iron out. Note: the first merge will be such that MSR is only shown on the sourcepackage bug listing, and nowhere else (otherwise it becomes a significantly larger patch and will take a lot longer to land.) [06:23] <bradb> I'll have time to get to both today (I would have already probably done the required MSR work if my house didn't decide to have plumbing problems this morning.) [06:24] <kiko> sure [06:24] <kiko> well, get the assignee bugfix in today [06:24] <kiko> I noticed that my patch is actually correct because in production the link to "me" is often missing [06:25] <bradb> "me" only shows if there's no assignee [06:26] <kiko> which is wrong [06:26] <kiko> or aren't you allowed to take bugs assigned to others? :) [06:26] <kiko> i.e. steve's on vacation [06:26] <kiko> daf's on sick leave [06:26] <kiko> etc [06:27] <bradb> Sure, but it's a balance between how common that will happen in Malone and 4 radio buttons, no/ [06:27] <kiko> not really [06:27] <kiko> 4 radios in that situation is okay -- it's actually confusing that me doesn't show up in certain situations [06:28] <bradb> ok [06:29] <bradb> creating a branch now, will write the test to make sure it exposes the failure, then add the patch to make sure it fixes it as expected [06:31] <mpt> There should never be four radiobuttons, but no-one listens to me [06:31] <bradb> mpt: I do. Heck, I specifically made sure you and kiko approved the design of the widget before committing it. :) [06:32] <bradb> (I do /listen/ to you, that is, not I do think there should be 4 rb's :) [06:33] <mpt> yeah, I know [06:33] <mpt> I didn't write up a formal specification for it, though [06:34] <bradb> mpt: Will it be reasonable for the first merge of MSR to have MSR only implemented in the sp bug listing, or will that be completely weird? [06:34] <mpt> yes, and yes [06:34] <kiko> mpt, it's better to have 4 radios than no "me" button in arbitrary situations, sorry. [06:34] <bradb> mpt: I thought you might say that :P [06:36] <mpt> kiko: Sure it is, but it would have been just as much effort to implement it the right way that produces only three [06:36] <mpt> never mind, I'll fix it later [06:36] <kiko> oh [06:36] <kiko> you are talking about removing assigned_to [06:36] <kiko> gotcha [06:37] <mpt> ( ) nobody ( ) me (*) [current@assignee ] [06:37] <bradb> mpt: you mean that "assigned to" would be populated? [06:37] <bradb> right [06:37] <mpt> right, just like all the other fields in that form. [06:37] <kiko> well [06:37] <kiko> I'm not fixing that today [06:37] <kiko> so we'll have 4 until mpt gets around to it [06:39] <mpt> oh, baz, you got royally confused here [06:41] <kiko> ProgrammingError: ERROR: permission denied for relation person [06:41] <kiko> is anyone getting that when running functional tests? [06:42] <mpt> kiko-fud: Not quite the same as my ProgrammingError: ERROR: relation "person" does not exist' [06:46] <sabdfl> kiko-fud: did you just refuel? [06:56] <Kinnison> How often does jamesh's pending branch summary get regenerated? [07:01] <kiko> sabdfl, yes, a while back -- why? [07:03] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/cscvs--devel--1.0: [r=spiv] disconnect native cvs client before and after rlog (patch-104: david.allouche@canonical.com) [07:05] <sabdfl> kiko: what was a while back? [07:05] <sabdfl> ddaa: won't that kill performance? [07:06] <kiko> sabdfl, the refuel [07:06] <sabdfl> kiko: so it's not a problem just introduced in rf today? [07:06] <kiko> mpt seem to have gotten something similar yesterday [07:06] <kiko> I've got my work blocked because of it, waah [07:08] <ddaa> sabdfl: the cost is just a couple of additional pserver authentications per sync. Now that you mention it, it might interact badly with SF.net connection throttling... [07:09] <ddaa> However, there are bugs in cvs servers that cause them to blow occasionally when doing too many different things in a single connection. [07:09] <sabdfl> ddaa: and for the initial fetch and import? [07:10] <ddaa> sadfl: same thing, 2 more connections. [07:10] <ddaa> the rlog is done only once. [07:10] <ddaa> That is the rlog for the whole module. [07:15] <sabdfl> ok [07:15] <sabdfl> shouldn't be a problem them [07:15] <sabdfl> then, even [07:19] <Kinnison> night guys [07:20] <kiko> night Kinnison [07:45] <bradb> mpt: for the XXX in tales.txt, did you mean these: [07:45] <bradb> displaying-bugs-and-tasks.txt:27: >>> test_tales("bugtask/fmt:icon", bugtask=high_priority_task) [07:45] <bradb> displaying-bugs-and-tasks.txt:30: >>> test_tales("bugtask/fmt:icon", bugtask=medium_priority_task) [07:45] <bradb> displaying-bugs-and-tasks.txt:33: >>> test_tales("bugtask/fmt:icon", bugtask=low_priority_task) [07:46] <mpt> Is it that easy? [07:46] <mpt> sure, something like that :-) [07:49] <bradb> Well, not quite /that/ easy. I snipped the output that the result is compared against. [07:49] <bradb> But yes, that easy, basically. [08:09] <kiko> bradb, what's the ETA for the assignee widget fix? [08:10] <kiko> I'm only insisting because it blocks work in one of my trees [08:13] <bradb> kiko: If I switch to that branch now, I'm guessing an hour or an hour and a half if I can baz smash it. [08:14] <kiko> you only have one tree? [08:14] <kiko> I just want to make sure it's done today [08:14] <bradb> I have two trees [08:26] <mpt> hi ho, hi ho, just 7 conflicts to go [08:36] <kiko> it's CRACKBAZ [08:38] <elmo> what's python equiv of iconv -f utf-8 -t ascii? [08:39] <elmo> codecs.utf_8_decode(foo, "replace") isn't doing what I want, i.e. giving me ASCII [08:41] <Keybuk> .encode("ascii", "replace") [08:41] <Keybuk> (on the end of what you just had) [08:42] <sabdfl> cheers all, i may be able to hop on again later [08:42] <elmo> boggle [08:42] <Keybuk> actually, let's start from the basics [08:42] <Keybuk> you have a string that's in utf-8, yes? [08:42] <Keybuk> but is a Python ordinary string? [08:42] <elmo> I don't know, it's from SQL Object [08:42] <Keybuk> SQLobject will give you a Unicode string [08:43] <Keybuk> so just do that.encode("ascii", "replace") [08:43] <Keybuk> where that is your thing-from-sqlobject [08:43] <Keybuk> sourcepackage.name.encode("ascii", "replace") for example [08:43] <Keybuk> or just str() it [08:43] <Keybuk> str(sourcepackage.name) [08:44] <Keybuk> though str() will fail if it contains non-ascii characters, where encode("ascii", "replace") will replace them with "?" [08:44] <elmo> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe4' in position 2: ordinal not in range(128) [08:44] <elmo> is from str(member.familyname) [08:44] <Keybuk> right, so use member.familyname.encode("ascii", "replace") [08:45] <elmo> ok, thanks.. that gets me further [08:45] <elmo> just to "??" ville [08:46] <Keybuk> *shrug* [08:46] <Keybuk> you can't do anything else with it unless you know the language of the string you're trying to transliterate [08:46] <Keybuk> Unicode helpfully is done by glyph, not logical character [08:46] <kiko> Mem: 1035928 1030292 5636 0 66444 56364 [08:46] <kiko> baz loves me [08:47] <Keybuk> it might be -> ue in one language, but -> ui in another [08:47] <elmo> bugger [08:48] <kiko> Keybuk, if you knew the language, how would you go about converting it? [08:48] <elmo> ok, so here's the thing [08:48] <Keybuk> kiko: great, big, honking lookup tables [08:48] <elmo> I'm trying to do first.last@ubuntu.com for all members [08:48] <elmo> anyone got any bright ideas on how to handle folks with non-7-bit names? [08:48] <kiko> Keybuk, nothing that python or glibc provide to you out of the box? :-( [08:49] <Keybuk> kiko: nope [08:49] <Keybuk> it's a non-trivial problem [08:49] <kiko> that's disappointing. [08:49] <kiko> elmo, skip them and email them for their preferred transliteration? how many are there? [08:50] <elmo> kiko: the point is to do this automatically, or I wouldn't be bothering with launchpad [08:50] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Fix for bug 1634: Linkification code breaks with URLs that are followed by greater-than+comma or greater-than+period. Also implements tests for linkification that makes sure that this /stays/ fixed (patch-2298: christian.reis@canonical.com) [08:50] <kiko> elmo, I know, but I don't have a better suggestion. [08:50] <elmo> I'd guesstimate about 10+ once all the pending people get approved [08:50] <kiko> ah, pqm loves me [08:51] <elmo> well, would it be silly to have a "old-skool-name" field people could fill in? [08:53] <kiko> would you fill it out with js automatically? [08:54] <Keybuk> elmo: imagine when a Japanese person comes along [08:54] <elmo> kiko: I guess, it would default to the same as your normal name, unless it was non-ascii? and prompt if it was [08:54] <Keybuk> and fills in as their name [08:54] <elmo> Keybuk: ... they have romanized versions of their names right? [08:54] <salgado> elmo, once Steve told me he wrote something to do this. btw, I guess mako has this too [08:55] <Keybuk> yeah, better to add an "preferred ASCII format of name" column [08:55] <elmo> ok, so as long as it's not completely crackful idea, I'll mail the list [08:55] <Keybuk> another thought [08:55] <Keybuk> you know we use first.last@ [08:55] <Keybuk> what do we do for inverse names? [08:55] <Keybuk> goto.masanori@ or masanori.goto@ ? [08:56] <elmo> aww, christ knows [08:56] <Keybuk> (goto is his family name) [08:56] <elmo> the debian .jp guys aren't even consistent about that [08:56] <elmo> ATM, my script uses given.famil@ [08:56] <elmo> do we need a "name order preference" button too? [08:56] <elmo> that'd be useful for more than just email, I guess [08:56] <Keybuk> I did bring this up about how stupidly western first.last@ format names were when you decided to use them, but did you listen? ;) [08:56] <elmo> Keybuk: did you come up with a better idea? :-P [08:57] <Keybuk> usernames [08:57] <elmo> yeah, 'cos we want microsoftsucks@ubuntu.com [08:57] <Keybuk> ok [08:57] <elmo> and there'll be no namespace collisions with usernames at all [08:57] <Keybuk> so on lp, if I go to people/keybuk and click "Edit Details" it asks me for my up+pw, then tells me "You're ALREADY LOGGED IN" [08:58] <Keybuk> hmm [08:58] <Keybuk> we have a Display Name field [08:58] <Keybuk> that suffices for "preferred order" - use whatever they put in that [08:58] <Keybuk> and if their name contains non-ASCII, ask for an "ASCII Display Name" ? [08:58] <elmo> the displayname is a nickname [08:58] <elmo> AFAICT [08:59] <elmo> err, no it's not, sorry ignore my crack [09:00] <Keybuk> someone could still give their name in lp as Mrs Microsoft Sucks [09:00] <Keybuk> microsoft.sucks@ubuntu.com [09:01] <elmo> yeah, but they'd have to get past the CC with that as their name [09:01] <Keybuk> likewise they would for preferred username for e-mail address [09:01] <Keybuk> :) [09:02] <Keybuk> then again, I swear the newscaster on Radio 2 just introduced herself as Vanilla Fudge [09:04] <elmo> why do we even have the separate display name [09:04] <elmo> that seems to be inviting trouble [09:04] <Keybuk> the only thing funnier than invented names is real ones [09:04] <Keybuk> (I think her name is Fanella Fudge) [09:05] <elmo> Fanella? [09:05] <Keybuk> at my school, a few years above me, there were a brother and sister -- Wayne and Jo King [09:05] <Keybuk> I had a Justin Hanky in my class [09:05] <kiko> here's a question [09:06] <kiko> salgado, BjornT, bradb: is it possible to make a functional doctest for a browser method? [09:06] <kiko> ah,there is, cool [09:08] <bradb> kiko: testing views, you mean? [09:08] <bradb> bradb@oxygen:~/launchpad/lib/canonical/launchpad/doc $ ls *pages* [09:08] <bradb> bug-release-targeting-pages.txt sourcepackage-bug-pages.txt [09:08] <bradb> are some examples of view tests I've written [09:12] <kiko> opens the wall? [09:13] <bradb> Blockage in the cold water tube leading to the washing machine. Yes, I'm wearing dirty clothes right now. [09:15] <bradb> "M'a ess d de devisser le tuyaux icitte l et.......*snap*"; he snaps the pipe trying to unscrew the faucet from the tube. [09:16] <bradb> at which point, the choice to open the wall was made [09:16] <kiko> you guys are crazy [09:16] <bradb> The plumber is a madman. [09:17] <kiko> who hired him? [09:17] <kiko> you're a team [09:17] <bradb> A team? i.e. the condo administration, you mean? [09:17] <kiko> heh [09:17] <kiko> how are my tests looking? [09:18] <bradb> They aren't, I'm only now waiting for the branch to switch [09:21] <bradb> better yet: [09:21] <bradb> .........................................................ssh: chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com: Name or service not known [09:21] <bradb> Segmentation fault [09:22] <salgado> bradb, I created a vocabulary for the Country table, but I don't want the fields using this vocab to render that text entry with the popup. instead, I want to have a select widget [09:22] <salgado> do you know how to do that? [09:24] <bradb> I believe inheriting from SQLObjectVocabularyBase should be enough. [09:25] <bradb> Just don't do the implements(IHugeVocabulary) in your vocabulary, because if you want a select widget rendered, then it doesn't quality as "huge". [09:25] <bradb> MilestoneVocabulary is an example [09:26] <bradb> s/quality/qualify/ [09:27] <kiko> isn't a select widget for country kinda crazy, or are you going to use a select size=5? [09:29] <salgado> bradb, yeah, that seems to work. but it failed because zope calls str(token) and there's non-ascii characters in that table [09:29] <kiko> yay for zope [09:29] <salgado> kiko, I can use a multiline select, but I think even a single-line select is better than our popup widget in this case [09:30] <kiko> it's a lot of countries, though [09:35] <bradb> Applying 128 revisions ........................................................... [09:35] <salgado> kiko, bradb, https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/filey6o5Mk.html [09:36] <salgado> I think the str() should be around value only [09:36] <salgado> as that's what the docstring says [09:38] <BjornT> salgado: it shouldn't matter, since token should be ascii only [09:38] <salgado> BjornT, why should it be ascii only? [09:40] <BjornT> salgado: i'm not sure sure exactly why, but it's specified like that in ITokenizedTerm [09:41] <bradb> good point [09:41] <salgado> BjornT, so I'm not allowed to display non-ascii data in the widgets if I'm using a vocab? [09:43] <BjornT> salgado: title should work i think [09:46] <salgado> BjornT, it works. ta [09:47] <salgado> BjornT, so, I guess I should update the NamedSQLObjectVocabulary docstring to say that the names must be unique *and* 7-bit. what do you think? [09:49] <BjornT> salgado: yeah, that'd be a good idea [09:57] <bradb> * Comparing FROM and TO ............................................................baz: uncaught exception: -1:(unable to fork for diff) [09:57] <bradb> please report this as a bug to bazaar@lists.canonical.com [09:59] <kiko> bradb, kill firefox [09:59] <kiko> and anything else big [09:59] <bradb> yeah, i killed ffox and emacs [10:00] <bradb> (for round three, that is) [10:14] <mpt> carlos: How do I format a suggestion the same way as the original English is formatted? [10:14] <mpt> the original uses tal:content="structure messageSet/getMsgID" [10:15] <carlos> mpt, We will need to feed the messageSet dictionary with the suggestions inside the view class [10:15] <carlos> instead of getting the suggestions directly from the template [10:17] <mpt> carlos, so should there be a /fmt:showinvisibles? [10:17] <carlos> showinvisibles? [10:17] <carlos> why? [10:17] <mpt> To show the space characters and linebreaks [10:17] <mpt> and tab characters [10:17] <carlos> oh [10:17] <mpt> like the originals do [10:17] <carlos> hmm [10:18] <mpt> So when you're looking at a suggestion that's slightly different from the original, you can see what's different [10:18] <carlos> well, I was thinking on show them always [10:18] <carlos> oh [10:18] <carlos> hmmm [10:18] <carlos> good point [10:18] <carlos> mpt, yes, sounds ok [10:18] <carlos> mpt, now that you are with that... [10:18] <mpt> You can't show them always if you want to put them in the text field :-) [10:19] <mpt> Currently they're in a <pre>, which is ugly [10:19] <carlos> mpt, should we should whitespaces always with the middle point? instead of just show the ones at the start/end? [10:19] <carlos> mpt, yeah [10:21] <mpt> carlos: Yes, the same applies [10:21] <carlos> oh, what am I thinking on? [10:22] <carlos> s/should we should/should we show/ [10:22] <mpt> Otherwise some silly person comes along who learnt to type in the 1960s, so they put two spaces between sentences rather than one, and you're staring at their suggestion and thinking "huh?" [10:27] <bradb> kiko: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/filexio8yi.html -- here's what I've added to the doctest (at the end of the section that has just finished demonstrating that "assign_to" works} to demonstrate the breakage you discovered. Does this look like what you were expecting? [10:27] <bradb> If so, I'll add you patch and see if it magically passes. [10:27] <carlos> mpt, yeah, I like that [10:27] <kiko> should be carlos [10:28] <bradb> kiko: Without the patch, the test breaks because of no .name on NoneType object (i.e. getInputValue is returning None when it should return the current assignee instead.) [10:29] <kiko> right. [10:30] <mpt> kiko: Will you have time to review my products/projects fixes today? [10:31] <kiko> I'm at the moment trying not to cry [10:31] <kiko> where are those fixes? [10:31] <mpt> mpt@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0 [10:35] <kiko> mpt, looks okay, yes, I'll have time for it. [10:35] <mpt> thanks kiko [10:36] <kiko> however I'd like to talk to you [10:40] <mpt> now? [10:41] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Fixes for another 3 bugs: bug 1358: Sort order should be indicated in Malone results; bug 1743: wording of Release Filename Pattern in Edit Series Details is ambiguous; bug 1787: Sorting a bug list will unhide fixed/rejected tasks. Includes some cleanups and refactorings along the way. (patch-2299: christian.reis@canonical.com) [10:41] <kiko> finally [10:41] <mpt> carlos: I'm sorry if I've asked you this before, but when a message has more than one plural form, is the fuzzy bit set for all of them at once, or individually? [10:41] <carlos> mpt, all of them [10:42] <mpt> pofile-translate.pt makes my brain hurt [10:48] <kiko> carlos! [10:51] <bradb> kiko: So, the test fragment I showed above passes now. Should I merge this with your patch? [10:51] <kiko> bradb, sure -- if the tests run, it's all good :) [10:51] <bradb> What's the reviewer tag on it? [10:51] <kiko> did you look at my patch at least? [10:51] <bradb> no [10:51] <bradb> :P [10:53] <bradb> Hm, I'll have to fix a few things. [10:53] <bradb> e.g. tal:attributes="for string:assigned_to_nobody"> should be using view/assigned_to_nobody [10:55] <sivang> mpt: around ? [10:56] <mpt> sivang: yo [10:56] <kiko> bradb, that's not really the same thing, but okay [10:56] <kiko> it's trivial [11:05] <bradb> kiko: Also, I'm wondering: "raise AssertionError" doesn't seem very self-documenting. Maybe something like "raise WidgetInputError('Unknown assignee option selected')"? [11:07] <kiko> bradb, it's an assertion error, it should never happen [11:08] <kiko> I don't like wasting time cooking up exceptions that are basically assertions with another name [11:08] <kiko> feel free to change if you like though [11:08] <bradb> kiko: "wasting time cooking up..." -- WidgetInputError is the exception documented in IInputWidget.getInputValue. :) [11:09] <kiko> my point is that you had nothing there [11:09] <kiko> it's about 10 extra calories looking up what the right exception is [11:09] <kiko> you saved up those calories by omitting the exception [11:10] <kiko> I spent 1 calorie by adding a raise AssertionError [11:10] <sivang> mpt: if I get the spec straight, LaunchpadIntegrationHelpPage talks about what will open to the user when he choses from the lp integration menu itesm "Get help" ? [11:11] <mpt> sivang: yes [11:12] <kiko> I am fine with coding Properly, bradb, but coding Cheap is often better than coding Incomplete. :) [11:12] <bradb> kiko: BTW, using by not using view/assign... attributes you hardcoded a string as "assigned_to_nobody", when the string is actually "assign_to_nobody", it appears. [11:13] <carlos> kiko, ? [11:13] <kiko> bradb, hmmm. AFAICR the labels worked correctly [11:14] <bradb> kiko: They would have, because the id and for attributes were consistently incorrect ;) [11:14] <sivang> mpt: I think I have an idea how to implement the client caching and retrival of help info from launchpad, should I outline my proposal on that same page? In which stage of implementation are you with the actual launchpad page? [11:14] <kiko> bradb, I could have made the same mistake using view/assign... [11:15] <bradb> kiko: Yep, and it would have raised an exception. :) [11:15] <kiko> why? [11:15] <bradb> (which is exactly what just happened here when i threw a view/ in front of those string literals.) [11:15] <kiko> ah [11:15] <kiko> well [11:16] <kiko> to be honest, that sort of error matters like 0.000000001% on the scale of things :) [11:17] <sivang> mpt: (ofcourse , I assume we discuss this as post breezy goal, since we're effectibely in FF) [11:17] <sivang> s/b/v/ [11:18] <mpt> sivang: Provided that the Ubuntu side of things is pointing at the right URLs, Launchpad can change what appears at those URLs regardless of any freeze [11:19] <sivang> mpt: sure, that also needs a discussion. When will be the right time to talk about the having stuff on the clinet side? [11:20] <sivang> mpt: other then that, a couple of things I think would be nice to have on the help page is: [11:21] <sivang> 1) links to frequent occuring issues . (if you're alsa doesn't work out of the box click here) [11:21] <sivang> 2) Allow individuals to lis them selves as support sources. [11:22] <sivang> ofcoure in (1) it's issues and their usual remedies [11:23] <bradb> kiko: So, I've looked it over, made the small fixes mentioned above. Should I go ahead and merge with an r=[bradb] ? [11:23] <kiko> yes [11:23] <kiko> thanks brad [11:23] <bradb> no problem, thanks for the patch [11:24] <sivang> 3) have support "groups" as part of the support source; peopel with common expertise that can help on that field, on which a customer/user can dipatch a problem / question and expect an authoritive advice [11:25] <sivang> and on top of this, MaloneSupportINtegration would be aweseom , although I asume is still far on the development queue :) [11:25] <bradb> salgado: any chance of some portlet mania love today? [11:26] <mpt> sivang: The right time for the client side was last month, and afaik it's already implemented [11:26] <mpt> sivang: As for the server side, those are interesting ideas, though probably for the future [11:27] <mpt> because I over-specced it, it's just going to be a wiki-style page for now. [11:28] <sivang> mpt: on the client side you mean, the support information is cached locally and available when not connected to a network as well? the client side currently opens a web browser with the right link, that's all [11:29] <mpt> yes, opening a Web browser is what I meant [11:29] <mpt> sivang: Will you be at UBZ? [11:29] <sivang> mpt: ah, well you mention on the spec the possibility to have apps fetch each his respective support info and let user see it offline [11:29] <sivang> mpt: UBZ ? [11:30] <mpt> sivang: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero [11:31] <carlos> good night! [11:31] <carlos> mpt, do you need anything from me? [11:32] <mpt> carlos, when you wake up have a look at mpt@canonical.com/launchpad--translation-cleanup--0 [11:32] <carlos> ok [11:32] <mpt> And see if you can fix any of the XXXs :-) [11:32] <kiko> carlos, do that /last/ :-) [11:33] <mpt> Well, it's TranslationReview [11:33] <kiko> mpt, carlos already has a pretty long plan for when he wakes up :) [11:33] <mpt> How urgent is that supposed to be? [11:33] <kiko> (for the rosetta 1.0 release) [11:33] <carlos> kiko, sure ;-) [11:33] <kiko> it's urgent, just post 1.0-release, which was supposed to be tonight [11:34] <mpt> oh [11:34] <mpt> will it be? [11:34] <sivang> mpt: ah nice, I didn't know it was going to be in Canada :) [11:34] <carlos> see you [11:35] <mpt> g'night carlos [11:35] <sivang> mpt: hm, I don't know yet if I will - will you be interested to discuss those further there? [11:35] <mpt> sivang: If you are, you could request a BoF on it, and even if you aren't, you could put the beginnings of a spec in the wiki [11:36] <sivang> mpt: would you like me to add my ideas on that same spec? or should we opena new pag for it? [11:39] <mpt> sivang: Put it in a "Discussion" section at the bottom [11:40] <salgado> bradb, sorry, dude. I was in a hurry today. will try tomorrow morning. [11:40] <bradb> salgado: no worries [11:40] <salgado> bradb, btw, I just saw that there's conflicts on that branch [11:41] <bradb> hmph [11:51] <sivang> mpt: ok, I wil. That's actually pretty darn interesting part in Launchpad. that and MaloneSupportIntegration [11:56] <mpt> sivang: sure ... Sorry I'm a bit distracted from it right now :-)

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2005-08-29-#kubuntu

[12:08] <Liquidfire-serve> well [12:08] <EasterSunshine> Liquidfire-serve: i thought mandriva was good [12:08] <ubuntu> now i use fedora core 3 and mandrake 10.2 (2005 LE) [12:08] <Liquidfire-serve> i meant in comperison with windows [12:08] <Liquidfire-serve> ;) [12:08] <EasterSunshine> Liquidfire-serve: until i used ubuntu [12:08] <Liquidfire-serve> comparison [12:08] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell BTJustice about sudo [12:08] <Liquidfire-serve> how the heck do you spell that lol [12:08] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell BTJustice about root [12:08] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Well, I've used Mandriva and RedHat and I like this distro over the previous two [12:08] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> I'm planning on trying Gentoo someday as well [12:09] <Liquidfire-serve> well [12:09] <EasterSunshine> isn't gentoo a live distro/ [12:09] <ubuntu> yeah thnks ill give it a chance :) [12:09] <Liquidfire-serve> i'm going to fool around in this easy distro [12:09] <Liquidfire-serve> maybe when i know more [12:09] <Liquidfire-serve> i'm going to customize other distro's [12:09] <ubuntu> how long hav u been using linux [12:09] <Liquidfire-serve> who me ? [12:09] <BTJustice> EasterSunshine: That only deals with Gnome [12:09] <ubuntu> yes [12:09] <Liquidfire-serve> 1 week [12:09] <Liquidfire-serve> lol [12:09] <EasterSunshine> BTJustice: nope, works on kde as well [12:09] <Liquidfire-serve> 1-2 weeks [12:10] <ubuntu> yeah [12:10] <Liquidfire-serve> but I can see myself as fast learner [12:10] <Liquidfire-serve> and linux is a new experience for me [12:10] <EasterSunshine> BTJustice: prepend root commands with sudo, and use sudo bash to bring a root sheel [12:10] <Liquidfire-serve> and i like to learn :> [12:10] <ubuntu> me too its been about 2 months now and im kinda stuck on mandrake [12:10] <ubuntu> im installing slackware 10.1 now [12:11] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Ouch [12:11] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Powerful, but not exactly user friendly [12:11] <ubuntu> yeah 3rd try is a charm [12:11] <ubuntu> i found out th hard way [12:11] <EasterSunshine> i tried fedora once omg it was horrible beyond explanation... [12:12] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> EasterSunshine: How come? [12:12] <EasterSunshine> well not horrible, thats too harsh a word for a free operating system...it wasn't for me i guess [12:12] <ubuntu> yeah i just got done with fedore core 3 and i didnt have any trouble [12:12] <EasterSunshine> maybe if i went in and tried it again, i would like it better this time around [12:12] <ubuntu> you ever got to www.linuxquestions.org [12:13] <ubuntu> good help there [12:13] <BTJustice> EasterSunshine: It doesn't work. I cannot log into KDE with root account. [12:14] <EasterSunshine> the root account is disabled, you can enable it, i think that link i sent you explains how [12:14] <BTJustice> No, all that does is allow me to change the password [12:14] <BTJustice> nothing else [12:14] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell me about root [12:15] <ubuntu> me? [12:16] <BTJustice> And all the directions I have found deal only with allowing root log into Gnome [12:16] <BTJustice> Gnome is gay [12:16] <BTJustice> oy [12:16] <ubuntu> yeah gnome sucks [12:16] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> I think BTJustice just discovered the next slogan for KDE 3.5 :) [12:16] <EasterSunshine> argh...you are right...this isn't allowing me to root login to kde... [12:17] <BTJustice> "Gnome is gay... OY... OY... OY..." [12:17] <EasterSunshine> BTJustice: why do you need to root login to kde anyway? [12:17] <EasterSunshine> BTJustice: theoretically, you would NEVER need to do that [12:17] <BTJustice> I want to install ttf foonts and other stuff and I am goddamn sick of sudo commands [12:17] <BTJustice> i am not good with the terminal [12:17] <BTJustice> i am a gui guy [12:17] <EasterSunshine> BTJustice: do you know about kdesu? [12:17] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> BTJustice: You can do that in kcontrol [12:17] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> In a normal account too [12:18] <BTJustice> i would just rather do it as root [12:18] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> You can [12:18] <BTJustice> then log out adn log back in as normal user when i am done [12:18] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> There's a button in the fonts section labeled "Administrator Mode" [12:18] <Liquidfire-serve> !dma [12:19] <BTJustice> That's another too... [12:19] <EasterSunshine> BTJustice: do `kdesu kcontrol` it will launch a root kcontrol [12:19] <chavo> BTJustice, mkdir ~/.fonts [12:19] <chavo> cp font.ttf ~/.fonts [12:19] <chavo> done [12:19] <BTJustice> since i upgraded to kde 3.4.2 [12:19] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> BTJustice: Control Center -> System Administration -> Font Installer -> Administrator Mode [12:20] <Liquidfire-serve> hmm [12:20] <BTJustice> I don't have Control Center [12:20] <BTJustice> it is gone [12:20] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Then just type kcontrol in konsole [12:20] <BTJustice> Is ther e a way to put control center back on the menu [12:20] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Sure [12:20] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Right click on the menu and select Menu Editor [12:21] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Then edit to your heart's content [12:22] <Liquidfire-serve> test [12:22] <Liquidfire-serve> do you see this [12:22] <Liquidfire-serve> :o [12:22] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> No [12:22] <BTJustice> Rogue: Doing menu editor, I don;t see Control Center listed anywhere [12:22] <Liquidfire-serve> hmm [12:22] <Liquidfire-serve> sorry Rogue_Jedi_Zero [12:22] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Just kidding [12:22] <ubuntu> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
to set a <FONT color="red">root</FONT> account after install via the sudo user account<BR/>
 [12:22] <Liquidfire-serve> My internet connection is acting up [12:23] <Liquidfire-serve> all slow etc [12:23] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> BTJustice: Then add it yourself [12:23] <Liquidfire-serve> thought i had a timeout [12:23] <Liquidfire-serve> :> [12:23] <BTJustice> And also, doing Administrator Mode in Control Center retuirns me to original window [12:23] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Yes, but it should have a red outline [12:23] <BTJustice> alright alright alright [12:23] <BTJustice> i am going too fast. [12:23] <BTJustice> first off, using menu editor, how do I re-add Control Center? [12:24] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> BTJustice: Click on New Item [12:25] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Command is kcontrol, in the Name field put in Control Center or whatever you want [12:25] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Click on the square to select an icon, then back at the menu editor click Save and you're done [12:26] <MasterChief01> Hello, all. [12:26] <BTJustice> ok, control center is back (kind of) [12:26] <BTJustice> now how do I allow root to log into KDE? [12:26] <Liquidfire-serve> !nvidia [12:26] <ubotu> hmm... nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia [12:27] <ubuntu> to set a root account after install u can use a sudo user account by opening up a terminal (not as root) and type sudo psswd root "enter" [12:27] <ubuntu> sudo psswd root [12:27] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Why would you want that? You can do everything and I mean EVERYTHING with sudo and kdesudo [12:27] <ubuntu> then enter [12:28] <ubuntu> then sudo user psswd [12:28] <ubuntu> enter [12:28] <ubuntu> then enter root psswd [12:28] <MasterChief01> Can anyone help me with getting sound to work? [12:28] <ubuntu> and reenter root psswd [12:28] <BTJustice> ubuntu: Taht only works for Gnome [12:28] <BTJustice> Now I am in the Login Manager as sudo in COntrol Center. [12:29] <BTJustice> Can I enable it from there. [12:29] <ubuntu> gnome only? [12:29] <ubuntu> worked for mandrake using KDE [12:29] <BTJustice> That's the bad thing about the Ubuntu Wiki and user guide, it assumes you are using Ubuntu (Gnome). [12:29] <ubuntu> Wiki??? [12:30] <BTJustice> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ [12:31] <BTJustice> Not that I am mad at Kubuntu, but I alsmost want to try a different distro that uses KDE by default and has a lot of help pages about KDE instead of f'ing Gnome. [12:32] <ubuntu> mandrake 10.2 does [12:32] <ubuntu> you set it up that way your self [12:32] <ubuntu> very user friendly [12:32] <BTJustice> ubuntu: Yeah I was thinking about trying Mandriva, but it is a big download. [12:33] <BTJustice> I was going to get the DVD downlaod. [12:33] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> ubuntu: The package distribution is horrible, though [12:33] <ubuntu> i got 10.0 10.1 and 10.2 [12:33] <ubuntu> i buy the download versions for 17.95 [12:33] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> I last ran Mandriva 2005 LE [12:33] <BTJustice> I like Kubuntu, though, it is nice and simple usually, lol [12:33] <ubuntu> and got a training cd [12:33] <BTJustice> but i do want to log into KDE as root. [12:33] <BTJustice> just to make changes [12:34] <BTJustice> then log out and back in as normal user after I am done [12:36] <BTJustice> In KDE Login Manager > Users there is a list called hidden which has root and my account and some others with "@" in fromt of them. Can I simply check the box in front of root and my account so I can log out and log in as root? [12:37] <MasterChief01> I'm trying to run the Alsamixer, but everytime I enter the command, nothing happens. [12:37] <MasterChief01> Can anyone help me? [12:37] <MasterChief01> Any help at all would be appreciated. [12:41] <ubuntu> enter, alsamixer in a terminal [12:41] <ubuntu> :)) [12:41] <MasterChief01> I open the run command window and type that in, but the box vanishes and nothing else appears. [12:42] <MasterChief01> BTW, I'm using Kubuntu, so I don't have Gnome yet. [12:42] <ubuntu> no sory but not in the command window but in a terminal like konsole [12:43] <BTJustice> So can I enable root to log into KDE or not? [12:44] <chavo> BTJustice, go ahead, then you can learn the hard way why 100000 people are telling you not to. [12:44] <MasterChief01> Okay, now that I have it open, how do I get my Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS working? Are you familiar with that card? [12:44] <ubuntu> no im not sory try www.linuxquestions.org [12:44] <ubuntu> check the fourms [12:44] <MasterChief01> Looking there now. [12:45] <ubuntu> its a great site [12:45] <MasterChief01> I get the feeling I'm going to be looking there a whole lot. [12:45] <MasterChief01> Being that this is my first Linux [12:46] <ubuntu> yeah,hay you got hotmail or yahoo im new too and its always fun when you no your not the only one that dont know JACK $H!T [12:47] <ubuntu> iv been using for abt 2 mo's now [12:47] <MasterChief01> My AIM name is RawSteelUT, my email is RawSteelUT@netscape.net [12:47] <MasterChief01> You've got two months more than I. [12:48] <BTJustice> So can I enable root to log into KDE or not? [12:48] <ubuntu> cool ill mak a net scape acc now [12:48] <ubuntu> any one hear a echo ?? [12:49] <jpowers> BTJustice: why would you ever do that? [12:49] <BTJustice> I tired of explainging why. [12:49] <BTJustice> Just how do you do it? [12:50] <BTJustice> Gosh even Mepis allows you to log in as root. [12:50] <MasterChief01> ubuntu - Hm... I followed the advice I found on the forum, but I still can't hear my CDs.... [12:51] <jpowers> BTJustice: logging into KDE as root is generally thought of as unsafe so you're not allowed to do it. [12:51] <jpowers> I don't even know how to enable it. [12:52] <ubuntu> did you DL the drivers and install them ? [12:52] <jpowers> BTJustice: depending on what kinds of changes you want to do, you may be able to do them just fine from your normal user acct (i.e. kdesu kcontrol) [12:52] <EasterSunshine> kdesu is like my favorite command ever [12:52] <jpowers> I like it too. [12:52] <BTJustice> It's funny that Ubuntu/Gnome allows you to do it but Kubuntu/KDe doesn't. [12:52] <jpowers> It's not perfect. [12:53] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> That's why there are many flavors of Linux. You get to choose yours [12:53] <ubuntu> [12:54] <jpowers> I'm sure there's a way to make it work, BTJustice, but I don't know what way that is, as I've never wanted to. [12:54] <jpowers> Logging into KDE as root kind of scares me. [12:55] <MasterChief01> BRB [12:58] <MasterChief01> Back [12:59] <ubuntu> you get it workin ? [01:00] <ubuntu> what distor r you using? [01:00] <MasterChief01> I'm using Kubuntu 5.04 [01:00] <ubuntu> distro <OOPS [01:00] <ubuntu> ok [01:00] <MasterChief01> I'm trying to use the advice here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/63/2005/07/4/337513 [01:00] <MasterChief01> But it's not working, I still can't play CDs [01:03] <dominic> Hi, I'm trying to install the german package for kubuntu. need some help.. can somebody help? [01:04] <dominic> , testing [01:04] <MasterChief01> I see an A with dots, an O with dots and a U with dots [01:05] <cem0r> also [01:05] <pax> dominic: tried language-pack-de language-pack-de-base language-support-de ? [01:06] <dominic> no, not yet. can i install ist with apt-get? [01:06] <pax> sure [01:07] <pax> sudo apt-get install language-pack-de language-pack-de-base language-support-de [01:08] <dominic> ok, i'll try it. [01:08] <MasterChief01> Man, I don't get what I'm doing wrong... [01:09] <ubuntu> it prob not u man just a configuration issue i'll look around [01:10] <MasterChief01> Thanks... I'm still reading this piece. Something has to work. [01:10] <dominic> worked. now how do i get the task bar from english to german? [01:10] <ubuntu> it will work [01:10] <ubuntu> some how [01:10] <MasterChief01> Heh, in the meantime, I'll BRB right quick. Gonna see if at least my onboard will work. [01:11] <BTJustice> To log into Kubuntu as root... [01:11] <BTJustice> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1565 [01:12] <Velox> Would anyone happen to know what package the keyboard settings is? Its not loading, so I want to try a reinstall. [01:14] <ubuntu> hay i'll look you up on aim i hav to reboot im on a live cd now and i need other files off my HD see ya [01:15] <dominic> @pax; thanks for the help. got to go! [01:17] <MasterChief01> Okay.... That doesn't seem to be working... [01:21] <MasterChief01> Damn it all... BRB [01:25] <reagleBRKLN> when i plug in a usb2 ext drive, i would like to be able to access it as a user [01:26] <reagleBRKLN> syslog says: udev[9435] : creating device node '/dev/sda1' [01:26] <reagleBRKLN> but /bin/ls: /dev/sda1/: Not a directory [01:26] <reagleBRKLN> and /media/sda1 isn't created [01:26] <reagleBRKLN> unless i have a fstab entry for it, shouldn't it be automagic? [01:27] <reagleBRKLN> even with this fstab [01:28] <reagleBRKLN> dev/sda1 /media/sda1 auto rw,user,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8 0 0 [01:28] <reagleBRKLN> kio says: mount: mount point /media/sda1 does not exist [01:28] <reagleBRKLN> if i create that mount point manually, it gives me: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, [01:29] <MasterChief01> Okay, I seem to have system sounds at least. [01:30] <MasterChief01> I'm going to assume I need some codec or the other to play CDs [01:31] <Velox> reagleBRLN: your permissions seem off at least. [01:31] <reagleBRKLN> Velox: how do i make those drives i click/mount from the desktop user writable without manually defining fstab lines? [01:32] <Velox> Well, in the umask you have 077...this is OWNER: No permissions, GROUP: read/write/exec, OTHER: read/write/exec [01:33] <reagleBRKLN> forgot that line in fstab, i've commented it out complete [01:33] <reagleBRKLN> my fstab makes no mention of /dev/sda now [01:33] <MasterChief01> Hmmm.... [01:33] <reagleBRKLN> when i plug the drive in, it still mounts it as /dev/sda1 media:/sda1 whic his fine [01:33] <reagleBRKLN> but i have no permissions [01:33] <MasterChief01> Can anyone help me try to install a program? [01:34] <Velox> Okay, you're trying to mount a USB drive correct? And its showing up as sda1? [01:34] <MasterChief01> I'm trying to install RealPlayer 10, but I don't know how to run the executable. [01:34] <reagleBRKLN> Velox: yes [01:34] <Velox> MasterChief01: chmod +x Real* sudo sh Real* [01:34] <reagleBRKLN> MasterChief01: did you try apt-get install realplayer ? [01:34] <MasterChief01> Isn't apt-get a GNOME app? [01:35] <Velox> And you wish to change the directory correct? Or is it not working. [01:35] <MasterChief01> Velox - I type it that way? [01:35] <Velox> apt-get is a debian program [01:35] <MasterChief01> Ah. [01:35] <reagleBRKLN> Velox: apt-get works with k/ubuntu ...?! [01:35] <Velox> Seperate lines MasterCheif, sorry for the confusion. [01:35] <Velox> reagleBRKLN: Ubuntu is based on Debian [01:35] <MasterChief01> So I type it like this: [01:35] <MasterChief01> chmod _x Real [01:35] <MasterChief01> sudu sh Real? [01:36] <Velox> Real* (or the whole name) [01:36] <MasterChief01> Okay. [01:36] <Velox> I was just using my lazy shortcut. [01:36] <MasterChief01> That's in the command window, right? [01:36] <Velox> Indeed [01:36] <reagleBRKLN> Velox: i've formated the external parition as ext2, i want to read write to it as a user [01:36] <MasterChief01> Okay, nothing happened... [01:37] <martin> Question: When i choose logout in the KDE startmenu and after that one of the three options (log out, restart,shutdown) nothing happens. Only when i do this a second time the action is performed. Any idea what's wrong? [01:37] <MasterChief01> Do I include the .bin extension or no? [01:37] <Velox> Oops, don't use sh...I need some caffene. I'm tired :\ [01:37] <MasterChief01> Ok [01:37] <Velox> sudo ./RealPlayer10.bin (or whatever it is) [01:38] <MasterChief01> Okay, let's try that... [01:38] <Velox> sudo ./Real* works too as * is a wildcard [01:38] <MasterChief01> Do I do this at the command window on in Konsole? [01:38] <MasterChief01> Because nothing seems to be happening at the command window... [01:39] <Velox> Does it just go to the next line or an error? [01:39] <MasterChief01> The command window vanishes. I guess that means I have to go to konsole. [01:39] <Velox> Odd. [01:40] <MasterChief01> Yeah... I just installed kubuntu a few hours back. It's confusing. :P [01:40] <Velox> Linux can be confusing, especially with no experience. [01:40] <martin> yep [01:41] <Velox> The mind still boggles at a few things. [01:41] <MasterChief01> Hm, I enter the command in Konsole and it says "RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: COmmand not found" [01:41] <martin> for the desktop focussed ppl we need more wizards and such [01:41] <Velox> Use Synaptic, or Kynaptic on KDE. [01:42] <Velox> Package manager. [01:42] <MasterChief01> Okay, lemmie start up Kynaptic [01:42] <Velox> I find wizards a thing of the past. [01:42] <MasterChief01> wizards? [01:42] <martin> after 1.5 weeks of tuning i finally can see i am happy with my linux installation [01:43] <MasterChief01> Okay, Kynaptic didn't show up... [01:43] <Velox> MasterChief01: try chmod a+x RealPlayer10GOLD.bin [01:43] <martin> Must say i ahve a lot of hardware which requires some tweaking like indexing sound cards [01:43] <Velox> Then ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin (or sudo before it if it gives "need root" error) [01:43] <martin> master: you know, those things which helps you with installing stuff [01:44] <MasterChief01> Ah. [01:44] <MasterChief01> Goodness knows it would help make switching from Windows easier. [01:44] <MasterChief01> And it keeps saying No such file or directory. [01:44] <MasterChief01> Nevermind the bin's in my home folder... [01:44] <Velox> Are you in your home folder then? [01:45] <Velox> Type ls and make sure its there. [01:45] <martin> masteR: indeed, but i must say there is good progress. Used RH 6 a few years ago and we've vome a long way [01:45] <MasterChief01> martin - You mean it used to be harder on RH6? [01:45] <MasterChief01> Velox Just type ls at the Konsole? [01:45] <martin> master: yes [01:46] <MasterChief01> I get this message: Desktop jre-1_5_0_04-linux-amd64.bin RealPlayer10GOLD.bin [01:47] <MasterChief01> And look at that, Kynaptic decided to show this time. [01:47] <Velox> chmod a+x Real* [01:47] <Velox> ./Real* [01:47] <Velox> (with the stars) [01:47] <MasterChief01> Just goes to the next line with no message. [01:48] <Velox> And it hasn't installed? [01:48] <MasterChief01> How do I know if it's installed or not if there's no message? [01:50] <MasterChief01> Hello? [01:52] <po> MasterChief01 : i'm not an expert but why don't you try this http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#realplay [01:52] <MasterChief01> What am I loading? [01:53] <po> what? [01:53] <Velox> Probably a tutorial [01:54] <MasterChief01> Looks like it. [01:54] <Velox> *tries to get keyboard settings to work* [01:54] <po> another one http://ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer [01:55] <MasterChief01> Okay, taking a look at these. [01:55] <MasterChief01> And while I'm at it, do I need to install a codec of some sort to get my CDs to play? I can hear some sounds, but not CDs. [01:56] <po> i don't remember installing any codec to play cd's [01:57] <po> what program do you use to play cd's ? [01:57] <MasterChief01> Well I'm trying to use ksCD until I get Realplayer to install and work. [01:57] <po> and you have no sound? [01:58] <MasterChief01> Well I was able to hear the startup chime when I booted up just now. [01:58] <po> wait ... try looking into kMix on the CD volume !! [01:58] <MasterChief01> How do I do that? [01:59] <MasterChief01> Okay, now we're going somewhere. [01:59] <po> you found? [01:59] <MasterChief01> No, I'm managing to finally install Realplayer. Where do I find kMix? [02:00] <MasterChief01> Is /home/username/Realplayer a good place to put it? [02:01] <MasterChief01> Here we are, found kMit [02:01] <MasterChief01> Mix [02:01] <po> i don't know (sorry i'm not an expert!) ............ k menu -> multimedia -> kmix (i gess) [02:01] <MasterChief01> po - You know more than me, so don't sweat it. I appreciate the help. [02:01] <ThxGiving> hi! [02:01] <po> thanx [02:02] <MasterChief01> Okay, CD volume is set to max. [02:02] <MasterChief01> And I find that if you turn on mic boost, you hear the mic all the time... [02:02] <ThxGiving> i just did a normal install of kupuntu hoary [02:02] <ThxGiving> BUT [02:02] <ThxGiving> (well its the first time i logged on with KDE right now) [02:02] <ThxGiving> the konsole and kdesu doesnt work [02:02] <ThxGiving> konsole: no prompt [02:03] <ThxGiving> kdesu "The program su is not found. make sure your PATH is set correctly" [02:03] <ThxGiving> i did not change anything at all yet [02:03] <ThxGiving> just a clean install from cd [02:03] <ThxGiving> su is installed [02:03] <ThxGiving> PLEASE help [02:03] <MasterChief01> Okay, installed Realplayer, now to get CDs to work... [02:03] <cem0r> gone [02:04] <MasterChief01> That's funny, the mic boost just died. [02:05] <po> ThxGiving : what are you trying to do ? i can't undertand your problem? [02:05] <Velox> ThxGiving: begging for help won't work, if we know the answer we'll tell you. You might consider posting on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ [02:05] <MasterChief01> Okay, I need to download a few things to get RP to work it seems... [02:05] <ThxGiving> thanx velox [02:05] <ThxGiving> @po: i just installed kubuntu.. i log on kde.. [02:05] <ThxGiving> and start the konsole [02:06] <ThxGiving> it doesnt display a prompt [02:06] <ThxGiving> just the window and a cursor [02:06] <ThxGiving> when i try to start kynaptic (which uses kdesu) [02:06] <po> can you type anything in it? [02:06] <ThxGiving> kdesu prompts for the root password but says "su not found" [02:06] <ThxGiving> no [02:06] <ThxGiving> i cant [02:06] <ThxGiving> tho i can click thru the menu [02:07] <po> click where? [02:07] <ThxGiving> the menu of the konsole [02:07] <po> but what do you want to launch? kynaptic? [02:08] <ThxGiving> konsole [02:08] <ThxGiving> the konsole window pops up [02:08] <ThxGiving> cursor in left edge [02:08] <ThxGiving> but no prompt [02:09] <MasterChief01> UGH! [02:09] <ThxGiving> this sucks [02:09] <ThxGiving> humf [02:09] <po> well i have no answer... [02:09] <MasterChief01> I have CD volume at max on kMix and still can't play CDs... [02:09] <MasterChief01> Hmmm... [02:10] <ThxGiving> cant start xterm as well [02:10] <ThxGiving> :( [02:10] <po> MasterChief01 : try using kaffeine [02:10] <MasterChief01> Okay... [02:11] <ThxGiving> what the codename for the unstable release? [02:11] <ThxGiving> +s [02:11] <MasterChief01> Kaffine keeps crashing. [02:11] <po> ThxGiving : when you try alt+f2 and then typing xterm nothing happens ? [02:11] <ThxGiving> exactly [02:12] <po> MasterChief01 : at what point does it crash? [02:12] <MasterChief01> When I try to open the CD [02:12] <ThxGiving> what is the codename for kubuntu unstable? [02:12] <ThxGiving> and its a fresh installation! [02:12] <ThxGiving> of hoary.. [02:13] <Velox> MasterChief01: do you have a soundcard with digital/analog output? [02:13] <MasterChief01> Yes, a Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS [02:14] <Velox> Aha [02:14] <MasterChief01> Aha? [02:14] <Velox> Open up a terminal and run alsamixer [02:14] <MasterChief01> Okay, I'm on alsamixer [02:15] <Velox> Now hit the right arrow over to the Item: Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack [02:15] <Velox> try hitting M [02:15] <Velox> It fixed my sound [02:15] <Velox> I have an Audigy 2 as well [02:15] <MasterChief01> Already done. And that's the thing, I can hear my mic, but not CDs [02:16] <Velox> Hmm...check the alsamixer for any muted lines, like CD [02:16] <MasterChief01> Checking [02:17] <MasterChief01> No muted lines. [02:17] <Velox> So CD says 00? [02:17] <ThxGiving> maybe it has to do with the kernel [02:17] <MasterChief01> Yes, and the bar is raised. [02:17] <ThxGiving> the only thing i did was upgrading the kernel [02:17] <ThxGiving> to 2.6.12.5 [02:18] <MasterChief01> Worth a shot, I suppose. How do I go about doing this? [02:18] <Velox> You might try looking around http://www.ubuntuforums.org first [02:19] <MasterChief01> Been there. [02:19] <MasterChief01> That's where I first got the alsamixer advice. [02:21] <po> MasterChief01 : but does the CD play and you have no sound or it simply doesn't play? [02:21] <MasterChief01> The CD plays without sound. [02:23] <po> cant you "explore" the cd? (is it "accessible"?) [02:23] <MasterChief01> I can access the CD via conquerer, yes. [02:23] <Velox> Hmm [02:23] <po> you said kaffeine crashed ... you can try installing vlc? [02:23] <Velox> It might be the program [02:23] <po> just to try [02:23] <MasterChief01> Can I find that in Kynaptic? Where? [02:24] <po> i think kynaptic [02:24] <MasterChief01> Under where? [02:25] <po> try searching there is a search option [02:25] <MasterChief01> vlc right? There's no result. [02:26] <Elite2k> hi can someone tell me how to get firefox installed in kubuntu [02:26] <MasterChief01> Elite2k - Look for it under World Wide Web in Kynaptic [02:26] <Elite2k> thanks [02:26] <Elite2k> one other thing is there some type of torrent client installed on here [02:27] <MasterChief01> I don't believe so, though it can't be that hard to find one. [02:27] <Elite2k> ive installed azurus but doesnt seem to be working :( [02:27] <MasterChief01> Well the original BitTorrent has a Linux version, so you can try that. [02:28] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> There's also Ktorrent [02:28] <Elite2k> yeah [02:28] <MasterChief01> Jedi - That too. [02:28] <Elite2k> is it listed under the kynaptic [02:28] <Elite2k> i mean iun there [02:29] <MasterChief01> Well, barring Kynaptic, where can I find vlc? [02:30] <ThxGiving> ive got an idea [02:30] <ThxGiving> um [02:30] <ThxGiving> ppl? [02:30] <MasterChief01> Oh? [02:30] <MasterChief01> Yes? [02:30] <ThxGiving> how can one check out with which version something is compiled? [02:30] <ThxGiving> ldd ? [02:31] <po> MasterChief01 : maybe you'll have to add extra sources into your source.list file to get vlc through kynaptic [02:31] <po> MasterChief01 : have you ever edited your sources.list file? [02:31] <MasterChief01> po - THis is my first day with any linux distro, so no. [02:31] <Elite2k> MasterChief01: [02:31] <Elite2k> dude [02:31] <Elite2k> use xine [02:32] <Elite2k> it can play everything vlc can too [02:32] <Elite2k> uses less resources as well.. [02:32] <MasterChief01> Ah. [02:32] <Elite2k> let me get u a relly cool link [02:32] <Elite2k> hold uo [02:32] <MasterChief01> I could do that too. [02:32] <Elite2k> up* [02:32] <Elite2k> i just installed this today too [02:32] <Elite2k> like 3 hours ago [02:32] <po> MasterChief01 : yes that could work! [02:32] <Elite2k> never used linux before but this is cool [02:32] <Elite2k> for n00bs hold up [02:32] <apokryphos> =) [02:32] <MasterChief01> Hehe, nice to see I'm not the only virgin here. [02:33] <MasterChief01> po - What, Xine? [02:33] <Elite2k> http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/ [02:33] <Elite2k> go there [02:33] <Elite2k> this dude is relly cool he compiled a zip file that has alot of cool stuff in it [02:33] <Elite2k> download his ubuntu addon.zip file [02:33] <Elite2k> nd do wut it says in the terminal [02:33] <Elite2k> to unzip it [02:33] <Elite2k> nd install it [02:33] <Elite2k> its Very simple [02:34] <Elite2k> it has Xine in it also there was a Xine packege in ubuntus downlods from apt-get [02:34] <MasterChief01> Okay. Let me just wait for this to load.... [02:34] <Elite2k> but that shit didnt work for me [02:34] <Elite2k> i dunno why :S [02:34] <Elite2k> let me get u another link as well k [02:34] <MasterChief01> Well I found a program called xinet in Kynaptic... Dunno if that's the same... [02:34] <Elite2k> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ [02:35] <Elite2k> there also [02:35] <Elite2k> see the stuff in the black boxes [02:35] <Elite2k> just cut paste the code in terminal [02:35] <Elite2k> it will auto install it [02:35] <MasterChief01> Okay. [02:35] <Elite2k> its Ez [02:35] <Elite2k> i dunno about xinet [02:35] <MasterChief01> Though all these assume Gnome, so I'd better get that... [02:35] <Elite2k> i am using xine from this mrbass guys site [02:37] <MasterChief01> Okay, but first thing's first, getting the gnome packages. [02:37] <MasterChief01> BRB guys, gonna grab a drink. [02:37] <po> MasterChief01 : maybe you would like to try this before http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories [02:38] <MasterChief01> Okay, loading repositories. [02:38] <po> it will add a lot of packages available in kynaptic [02:38] <MasterChief01> Well, the site anyway. [02:38] <MasterChief01> Okay, BRB in one sec [02:38] <Elite2k> po reposotories what are they [02:39] <Elite2k> is that like windows update files lists [02:39] <Elite2k> in a sense [02:39] <Elite2k> like a list of packages available [02:39] <MasterChief01> I'm guessing it's a list of servers [02:40] <po> Elite2k : yes ... packages that are supposed to be easy to install and uninstall to your linux distribution [02:40] <Elite2k> hot hot [02:41] <MasterChief01> Heh [02:41] <MasterChief01> Hopefully as it gets easier more people will be able to come in without the troubles we're having [02:41] <MasterChief01> Then it's goodbye MS [02:41] <Elite2k> LOL [02:41] <Elite2k> well [02:41] <Elite2k> right now its osx86 [02:42] <MasterChief01> Elite - You're a mac user? [02:42] <Elite2k> yep [02:42] <Elite2k> right now my comp [02:42] <Elite2k> dual boots [02:42] <Elite2k> using grub [02:42] <MasterChief01> Ah, I see. [02:42] <Elite2k> winXP. osx86, kubuntu [02:42] <MasterChief01> That's a lot of partitions. [02:42] <MasterChief01> Big HD? [02:42] <Elite2k> yep [02:42] <Elite2k> nope [02:42] <Elite2k> its a laptop [02:43] <Elite2k> 40GB [02:43] <MasterChief01> Ah. [02:43] <Elite2k> 2ghz [02:43] <Elite2k> i wanna compare Battery life [02:43] <Elite2k> which os gives me the most [02:43] <MasterChief01> Ah. [02:43] <Elite2k> ill stick with that :D [02:43] <Elite2k> but ubuntu is kewl [02:43] <MasterChief01> Yeah, I'm enjoying Kubuntu so far, all things considered. [02:44] <Elite2k> man the best part is [02:44] <Elite2k> its all configured [02:44] <Elite2k> sound video [02:44] <Elite2k> usb [02:44] <Elite2k> everything [02:44] <MasterChief01> Hehe, indeed. [02:44] <Elite2k> i just dont like the browser [02:45] <Elite2k> its kewl but i prepfer mozilla [02:45] <Elite2k> too much use to it [02:45] <MasterChief01> Hehe, same [02:45] <Elite2k> prefer* [02:45] <MasterChief01> Konquerer is much better as a file browser [02:45] <Elite2k> with my popup block nd whethear lister [02:45] <ThxGiving> does anyone knows about ubuntu kernel patches [02:45] <Elite2k> yes [02:45] <Elite2k> exactly [02:45] <MasterChief01> Thx - Good question [02:45] <Elite2k> apokryphos: its a good browser but [02:45] <Elite2k> for files it will be better [02:45] <apokryphos> Elite2k: faster than mozilla/firefox (starting up and loading pages) [02:46] <Elite2k> relly [02:46] <Elite2k> can u use mozilla addons in it [02:46] <apokryphos> which is my priority. Compability is only getting better with it, too. It does all I want, so it's groovy. [02:46] <MasterChief01> apok - I have the opposite effect actually [02:46] <MasterChief01> Heh [02:46] <Elite2k> tru [02:46] <apokryphos> Firefox takes at least 10 times longer to open [02:46] <Elite2k> lol [02:46] <apokryphos> less if I've run it recently [02:46] <Elite2k> god man [02:46] <MasterChief01> Well to open neither is slow [02:47] <apokryphos> though Konqueror loads pages easily faster, hands down, too. [02:47] <Elite2k> i have been waitin for liek 10 mizn here now [02:47] <Elite2k> to get firefox [02:47] <Elite2k> from the kynaptic thing [02:47] <MasterChief01> Elite - did you commit changes to system? [02:47] <Elite2k> wut changes [02:47] <MasterChief01> The packages you marked [02:47] <Elite2k> changes as in what ? [02:47] <Elite2k> yes i did [02:48] <Elite2k> its downloading them [02:48] <Elite2k> but downloading like alot [02:48] <MasterChief01> Ah, so you're at fetch progress right now, right? [02:48] <Elite2k> all i wanted was the firefox [02:48] <Elite2k> yes [02:48] <Elite2k> its downloading [02:48] <Elite2k> but taking time [02:48] <Elite2k> i have a wirless 5 mb connection here [02:48] <Elite2k> :S [02:48] <Elite2k> still slow [02:48] <MasterChief01> Ah, wireless. [02:48] <Elite2k> yeah [02:48] <Elite2k> but signal is full [02:48] <Elite2k> 100% [02:48] <Elite2k> me too [02:48] <Elite2k> DSL [02:48] <Elite2k> but its wireless [02:48] <Elite2k> :D [02:49] <Elite2k> ok u no wut [02:49] <MasterChief01> Never been a fan of wireless. Rain screws it up. [02:49] <Elite2k> i think kynapatic is updating other files too [02:49] <Elite2k> i just looked [02:49] <MasterChief01> And, living in Florida, we get rain all the time. [02:49] <Elite2k> like openoffice nd stuff [02:49] <Elite2k> relly [02:49] <MasterChief01> That's a good thing. [02:49] <Elite2k> well i am in Canada [02:49] <MasterChief01> the updating [02:49] <Elite2k> rains here too but not as much snow most of the year [02:49] <MasterChief01> Elite - So you get lots of snow? :P [02:49] <Elite2k> i never had ne problems with internet [02:49] <Elite2k> :S [02:49] <MasterChief01> ok [02:49] <MasterChief01> oh [02:49] <Elite2k> luky i guess [02:49] <MasterChief01> Indeed [02:50] <Elite2k> odd [02:50] <Elite2k> its also the fact that there is more users prob on ur dsl company too [02:50] <Elite2k> server prob gets over loaded alot [02:50] <MasterChief01> Ah [02:50] <Elite2k> i live in a small town .. 350,000 people [02:50] <MasterChief01> Good company, even with no Linux support [02:50] <Elite2k> i use www.execulink.com its basically bell.ca re sold [02:51] <MasterChief01> ah [02:51] <ThxGiving> ok i found the problem [02:51] <ThxGiving> when you ever have a konsole with no prompt [02:51] <ThxGiving> and kdesu is not working etc [02:51] <ThxGiving> its because you did something messy with your kernel config! [02:51] <Elite2k> ok time to get this kopete thing wrokin [02:51] <ThxGiving> i forgot to compile Unix 98 tty support [02:52] <MasterChief01> Goodie, 92% installed. [02:53] <ilba7r> i have a problem with deleting a user. I delete him and his group yet as soon as i log in to gdm his name is still there and when i use system>pref>add/del user he is stil there? How can i permenantly remove him? [02:55] <MasterChief01> BRB, bathroom [02:56] <po> ThxGiving : you found! [02:59] <ThxGiving> yes [02:59] <ThxGiving> thanks for your help [02:59] <ThxGiving> you pushed me in the right direction [02:59] <ThxGiving> it was the kernel [02:59] <po> mental support ;) [02:59] <ThxGiving> right! [03:02] <MasterChief01> Okay, this is strange... [03:02] <ray_> what is it? [03:03] <MasterChief01> My Kynaptic stuff finished downloading, but the selections are still all greyed out... [03:03] <ray_> its installing [03:03] <ray_> give it a sec [03:03] <MasterChief01> Ah. There really should be a progress window for that... ^^; [03:04] <ray_> yes thats why i still use synaptic [03:04] <po> MasterChief01 : yes me too [03:04] <MasterChief01> Well part of what I'm downloading is a bunch of Gnome stuff, so hopefully I'll be able to give Synaptic a spin. [03:04] <MasterChief01> I assume gnome-session is that actual desktop? [03:05] <ray_> oh no [03:05] <MasterChief01> Oh no? [03:05] <po> MasterChief01 : why did you do that!!?? [03:05] <MasterChief01> So I can get the gnome desktop? ^^; [03:05] <MasterChief01> I screwed up, right? [03:05] <ray_> if you wanted synaptic [03:05] <ray_> just sudo apt-get install synaptic [03:05] <MasterChief01> Well I also wanted the actual desktop as well... [03:06] <ray_> just sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop [03:06] <ray_> or [03:06] <ray_> just sudo apt-get install gnome [03:06] <MasterChief01> Ah... [03:06] <ray_> brb [03:06] <MasterChief01> oops... [03:06] <MasterChief01> Though... This won't mess up my system, will it? [03:07] <ray_> yeah synaptic sucks too.......just use the command line.......way better [03:07] <ray_> MasterChief01: it shouldnt but [03:07] <MasterChief01> but? [03:07] <po> MasterChief01 : i don't think so ... it should still work [03:07] <ray_> it might [03:07] <MasterChief01> eep... [03:07] <ray_> i think you will be fine [03:07] <MasterChief01> Thanks. [03:08] <ray_> brb [03:08] <MasterChief01> Though I will say kubuntu is pretty good with background applications. [03:09] <MasterChief01> The Kynaptic routines aren't effecting my browsing or chatting. [03:09] <po> multitasking! [03:09] <MasterChief01> Hehe, indeed. [03:10] <MasterChief01> And with fewer problems than in Windows it seems. [03:10] <po> well sometimes you may have problems as well ... but in my experience fewer problems [03:11] <MasterChief01> Well, I can't possibly expect NO problems. But fewer problems is nice. [03:13] <po> yes ... and kubuntu hoary is the first release of kubuntu ... i heard at the begining (when it was released) a few things din't work that well ... but they keep improoving [03:14] <MasterChief01> I thought Warty was their first release. [03:14] <MasterChief01> And this was #2 [03:14] <po> yes warty was the first releasy of ubuntu ... [03:14] <po> gnome only [03:15] <MasterChief01> Ah, so this is the first KDE release. [03:15] <apokryphos> yes [03:15] <MasterChief01> I see. [03:15] <MasterChief01> I'd say they're doing pretty well for themselves. [03:15] <apokryphos> Kynaptic is pathetic :P. New package manager for Breezy, which will be much better. [03:16] <MasterChief01> As long as it has an install progress window, I'll be fine. :) [03:16] <sproingie> aptitude rules over all others [03:16] <po> apokryphos: for breezy ... like adept? http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html [03:16] <apokryphos> po: correct [03:16] <sproingie> i wouldnt mind a nice clicky aptitude though that had a nice resizeable window for the package descriptions [03:17] <sproingie> not to mention the ability to search through descriptions [03:18] <MasterChief01> Hm, funny, there seems to be no option in Firefox to make it the default browser... [03:18] <sproingie> MasterChief01: linux has no centralized notion of a "default browser" [03:18] <MasterChief01> Ah. [03:18] <apokryphos> MasterChief01: the option is in KControl [03:18] <MasterChief01> apok - Ah, I see. [03:18] <ray_> ok back [03:18] <MasterChief01> Hello again, ray [03:19] <ray_> hello [03:19] <ray_> is your system ok [03:19] <ray_> lol [03:19] <MasterChief01> I've not exploded yet. [03:19] <ray_> good [03:19] <MasterChief01> And I have IRC sounds now. [03:19] <ray_> how do i get irc sounds? [03:19] <MasterChief01> You're using Konversion? [03:19] <MasterChief01> Konversation I mean [03:20] <ray_> yes [03:20] <MasterChief01> Under the settings pulldown select Configure Notifications. [03:20] <sproingie> mmm beer [03:20] <MasterChief01> You could do that as well, of course. [03:21] <ray_> so you just used your own sounds? [03:21] <ray_> ??? [03:22] <ray_> who here likes kde? [03:22] <sproingie> i hate it. hang out here to diss it ;) [03:22] <ray_> lol [03:23] <MasterChief01> Ray - Well, there are a bunch of sounds available to you, though you can optionally use your own sounds. [03:23] <ray_> i always flip flop ........gnome...kde..icewm...xfce... [03:23] <sproingie> i hardly ever use the tools of heavyweight de's like gnome or kde [03:23] <sproingie> but it's nice to have it when i want it [03:24] <sproingie> having thumbnail view in the file selector dialog for example [03:24] <sproingie> comes in handy when uploading an image to gmail [03:24] <ray_> kde isnt as heavy as gnome.....imho.....although you think it would be [03:24] <MasterChief01> ray - Why would you think that? [03:25] <ray_> MasterChief01: becuase gnome uses more resources...and seems a tad slower [03:25] <MasterChief01> Ah. [03:25] <MasterChief01> I have the same perspective, Sproingie. [03:25] <MasterChief01> AMD Athlon64 3400+ [03:25] <ray_> yeah my system is fast too.....kubuntu boots in like 25 seconds [03:26] <sproingie> a mere 3000+ for me [03:26] <MasterChief01> Hehe, 64 or just AthlonXP [03:26] <MasterChief01> ? [03:26] <sproingie> 25 seconds should be considered glacial, really [03:26] <sproingie> but linux doesnt put a premium on fast boots [03:26] <MasterChief01> sproingie - Hehe, eventually. [03:26] <ray_> i got a p4 3.8 ghz 2 gigs of ram [03:26] <MasterChief01> And 25 seconds isn't so bad. [03:26] <ray_> hey it boots faster than windows does [03:26] <MasterChief01> I can get in a Street Fighter match in that. :) [03:26] <sproingie> beos booted in 10 seconds on a p2/400 [03:27] <ray_> yeah but beos is like anchient [03:27] <ray_> i cant spell [03:27] <MasterChief01> ray - I dunno, for me XP goes the 20-30 second range. [03:27] <kalenedrael> i like beos [03:28] <ray_> i dont use xp.....but when i did it was way slower than linux [03:28] <sproingie> xp boots fairly fast, but explorer.exe is unresponsive for like 20-30 more seconds [03:28] <kalenedrael> yes [03:28] <Elite2k> wow [03:28] <MasterChief01> sproingie - Yes. [03:28] <Elite2k> u guyz r running XP slow [03:28] <Elite2k> u need the startup tweaker [03:28] <Elite2k> boots in 10 seconds for me [03:28] <ray_> XP just sucks [03:28] <MasterChief01> Elite - Dude, XP's a notorious memory hog [03:28] <Elite2k> lol [03:28] <Elite2k> so tru [03:28] <MasterChief01> You need huge ram amounts to run it. [03:28] <Elite2k> i dont mind got 2 GB to spare [03:28] <sproingie> MasterChief01: so's linux actually [03:28] <MasterChief01> sproingie - Ah. [03:29] <kalenedrael> not at all, compared to XP... [03:29] <Elite2k> well mac osx86 is good too [03:29] <ray_> yeah it boots in 10 seconds but programs are still loading after you see the gui [03:29] <MasterChief01> ray - Indeed. [03:29] <sorush20> is there a multi protocol file sharing program out there.. that allows Kaza, edonkey, gnutella [03:29] <sproingie> i wouldn't call linux all that slim. bsd's a little more so, but not terribly [03:29] <kalenedrael> yeah, the GUI pops up fairly fast [03:29] <sproingie> you want small, try qnx [03:29] <kalenedrael> linux is as slim as you want it to be :P [03:29] <MasterChief01> qnx? [03:30] <MasterChief01> kalenedrael - More like as slim as you are willing to deal with the command line. :) Personally I want to keep my interaction to the line at a minimum so I don't blow up my comp. [03:30] <sproingie> MasterChief01: super tiny microkernel os [03:30] <MasterChief01> sproingie - Ah. [03:30] <kalenedrael> yes, i suppose [03:30] <kalenedrael> though there are very light window managers [03:30] <sproingie> qnx is used in a lot of embedded stuff [03:31] <ray_> what do you guys think of freebsd and such [03:31] <kalenedrael> someone needs to make a graphical system other than X [03:31] <MasterChief01> sproingie - I see. [03:31] <sproingie> ray_: love it. would use it if i hadn't stupidly gotten an ATI card [03:31] <kalenedrael> X has a LOT of overhead [03:31] <kalenedrael> yuck, ATI [03:31] <ray_> sproingie: they dont support ati? [03:31] <MasterChief01> kal - WHo knows? Might be a while though, since it seems KDE and Gnome are the defacto standard. [03:31] <kalenedrael> yeah [03:32] <ray_> i have an ati [03:32] <kalenedrael> i like KDE [03:32] <ray_> works great too [03:32] <ray_> i like linux and kde [03:32] <kalenedrael> it's not that 'light', but i don't care so much [03:32] <MasterChief01> Nice card, renders HL2 nicely. That reminds me, I need to find wine... [03:32] <sproingie> ray_: more to say ATI doesn't support anything but linux and windows. and barely linux at that [03:32] <MasterChief01> sproingie - So true. [03:32] <MasterChief01> How's nVidia about linux support? [03:32] <kalenedrael> ATI linux support sucks [03:32] <MasterChief01> I might go with them next time. [03:32] <kalenedrael> nvidia has great linux support [03:33] <ray_> sproingie: so whats a good card to have ndivia? [03:33] <sproingie> yep. it's still closed-source, but they bend over backward to make it work [03:33] <kalenedrael> closed source, like ATI, but a lot better [03:33] <kalenedrael> yeah [03:33] <sproingie> nvidia has accellerated drivers for freebsd too [03:33] <sproingie> they even have drivers for opensolaris. not sure if that's 3d accel or not [03:33] <ray_> hmm [03:33] <ray_> there are more apps for linux though [03:34] <sproingie> ray_: and freebsd will run 'em all [03:34] <kalenedrael> the most important part is a libGL that supports hardware acceleration... [03:34] <ray_> linux is gaining popularity [03:34] <MasterChief01> sproingie - Sounds like they really care about their non-Windows customers, unlike ATI [03:34] <sproingie> ray_: often faster than linux itself [03:34] <kalenedrael> anyone want to reverse-engineer the nvidia driver? [03:34] <ray_> sproingie: i have the freebsd live cd and it works with my ati card [03:34] <sproingie> MasterChief01: i think they just have a developer culture that isn't as constrained by corporate wonks [03:34] <kalenedrael> linux has drivers for the ATI card, but they suck because they have no hardware acceleration [03:35] <MasterChief01> sproingie - There is that. [03:35] <kalenedrael> same with nvidia [03:35] <ray_> kalenedrael: i have 3d accel [03:35] <sproingie> MasterChief01: ati has good engineers, and they probably want to make the drivers as good as they can. they're probably being hobbled by management every step of the way [03:35] <kalenedrael> ray_, yes, but you have the proprietary drivers, too [03:35] <MasterChief01> sproingie - I see. [03:35] <ray_> kalenedrael: no i dont [03:35] <kalenedrael> ? [03:35] <kalenedrael> what card, what driver? [03:35] <sproingie> there are open source accellerated drivers for ati cards now [03:36] <kalenedrael> there are, but only for old ones [03:36] <ray_> kalenedrael: ati x300 fglrx driver.....its in the repos [03:36] <sproingie> they weren't all that mature a few months ago. i'm told they're better [03:36] <sproingie> kalenedrael: no, the r300 series, that includes the x800 too [03:36] <MasterChief01> sproingie - Not from ATI I assume. [03:36] <kalenedrael> odd [03:36] <ray_> i play all sorts of games with crazy graphics [03:36] <sproingie> MasterChief01: reverse engineered, of course [03:36] <MasterChief01> sproingie - I see. [03:37] <esac> i enabled the nvidia driver, and now my font sizes are a lot bigger, any idea ? [03:37] <MasterChief01> esac - Higher resolution? [03:37] <sproingie> esac: you might need to change your dpi settings [03:37] <MasterChief01> That too. [03:37] <sproingie> i think the BinaryDriverHowto has an item on that [03:37] <esac> MasterChief01: the resolution stayed the same [03:37] <sproingie> ask ubotu in #ubuntu [03:37] <esac> sproingie: how do i do that ? [03:37] <MasterChief01> esac - Ah [03:38] <apokryphos> sproingie: he's here too :) [03:38] <esac> ok [03:38] <apokryphos> ubotu: hi [03:38] <ubotu> hi, apokryphos [03:38] <esac> ubotu: binarydriverhowto [03:38] <ubotu> somebody said binarydriverhowto was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto or ask !Display !Resolution !ati !nvidia Please use /msg <your_question> to avoid flooding the channel [03:38] <sproingie> oh the bot's here too of course [03:40] <ray_> if you edit xorg.conf you can add more resolutions [03:40] <esac> hmm dont see anything on dpi [03:40] <MasterChief01> ray - Meh, I try to keep in my monitor's range, which is 1280x1024 [03:40] <ray_> and? [03:40] <ray_> i thought you wanted to adjust [03:41] <MasterChief01> No, I was suggesting that to someone else [03:41] <MasterChief01> Sorry for the misunderstanding. [03:41] <sproingie> resolution isn't the whole picture [03:41] <sproingie> if the font renderer has the wrong values for your DPI, it'll draw your fonts too big [03:41] <esac> is there a setting somewhere for that ? [03:41] <MasterChief01> You know, that 24-hour notation is starting to bug me. How do you set the clock for 12-hour notation? [03:42] <MasterChief01> sproingie - Ah, I see [03:42] <sproingie> which is a welcome change from the usual brokenness of linux fonts in the past [03:42] <esac> anybody using google talk yet ? [03:42] <sproingie> where it would draw leeeeetle itty bitty fonts [03:42] <ray_> google talk? [03:42] <MasterChief01> google talk? [03:42] <sproingie> google talk? [03:42] <ray_> do they make it for linux [03:42] <esac> google is running jabber chat servers now or something .. saw it linked off slashdot http://www.smashsworld.com/2005/08/im-on-google-talk-right-now.php [03:43] <sproingie> i wonder if that's running on their hello.com stuff [03:43] <esac> trying to set it up with gaim right now [03:43] <sproingie> they've had IM with hello.com for a while, they just kept it more or less quiet [03:43] <sproingie> mostly picasa users who used it [03:45] <ray_> what movie player do you guys use? [03:45] <MasterChief01> ray - None yet. [03:45] <ray_> MasterChief01: why not? [03:45] <MasterChief01> Been focused on sound, and now I wanna wait till Kynaptic is finished. [03:46] <ray_> MasterChief01: i thought you said you had sound [03:46] <MasterChief01> Sound yes, CD playback no [03:46] <po> MasterChief01 : kynaptic ins't finished yet? [03:46] <MasterChief01> It's still all greyed out. [03:46] <ray_> i had to compile and install the newest versions of alsa for my sound to work : ( [03:46] <ray_> STILL [03:46] <MasterChief01> Ouch. [03:47] <po> MasterChief01 : maybe you should update to kde 3.4.2 ... [03:47] <ray_> from like an hour ago? [03:47] <Velox> I use xine for a movie player. [03:47] <ray_> kynaptic is a horrible app [03:47] <MasterChief01> po - That doesn't happen in Kynaptic? [03:47] <MasterChief01> ray - it seems so. [03:47] <Velox> ray_: thats why I left Synaptic when I uninstalled GNOME. [03:48] <ray_> yes it happens........but it is still greyed out from when i talked to you like half hour ago? [03:48] <po> MasterChief01 : i think you should use synaptic ... kynaptic dons't display konsole errors ... and may still greyed out! [03:48] <MasterChief01> Yep [03:48] <MasterChief01> po- So I may just be stuck? [03:48] <ray_> MasterChief01: it froze....... [03:48] <MasterChief01> Ah. [03:48] <po> i gess [03:48] <po> kill it! [03:49] <ray_> KILL IT!!!!!!!!!! [03:49] <MasterChief01> Closed [03:49] <MasterChief01> Now what do I have to clean out? [03:49] <po> start using synaptic ... [03:49] <ray_> MasterChief01: run synaptic [03:50] <MasterChief01> Okay. [03:50] <EvanCarroll> How do I enable hardware mixing on my sound card, this new mobo has to support it, and yet I can only play on stream at a time [03:50] <MasterChief01> Error: Unable to get exclusive lock [03:50] <po> it's because you dint' kill kynaptic! [03:50] <MasterChief01> I closed the window... WHat else do I need to do? [03:50] <ray_> should have killed it [03:51] <po> it may still running [03:51] <MasterChief01> po - How do I check? [03:51] <ray_> go into term and type........ kill kynaptic [03:52] <MasterChief01> I get the following error - bash: kill: kynaptic: arguments must be process or job IDs [03:52] <ray_> oh [03:52] <po> sudo! [03:53] <sproingie> killall kynaptic [03:53] <ray_> just do this [03:53] <ray_> in term type sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and gnome will install [03:53] <MasterChief01> sproingie I entered what you told me and it just gave me another line [03:53] <MasterChief01> Is that right? [03:53] <ray_> yup [03:54] <MasterChief01> Then kynaptic is dead. [03:54] <ray_> now type in that command i told ya [03:54] <MasterChief01> Okay [03:54] <ray_> stupid gui package managers [03:54] <sproingie> MasterChief01: not sure what kind of feedback killall gives. that probably means it works [03:54] <po> you can use ksysguard (kmenu->system->KSysGuard) to see what is running [03:55] <ray_> MasterChief01: is it downloading? [03:55] <MasterChief01> Looking through Ksysguard now. [03:55] <MasterChief01> ray - I got the error E: Invalid operation ubuntu-desktop [03:55] <MasterChief01> And yes, Kynaptic is dead [03:56] <ray_> MasterChief01: you need to type exacxtly this [03:56] <ray_> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop [03:56] <MasterChief01> There we go [03:56] <MasterChief01> Now it's connecting [03:57] <ray_> you forgot to type install last time [03:57] <MasterChief01> Yep [03:57] <MasterChief01> This is going to take a while to get used to. I'm glad I got you guys to walk me through it. [03:57] <sproingie> i always use aptitude [03:58] <gdarel> Afternoon all, anyone know of a GUI video editor? [03:58] <sproingie> it's a console app, a pretty good tradeoff between commandline and gui [03:58] <MasterChief01> sproingie - I see. I'll have to look into that when that's done [03:58] <ray_> aptitude is cool to [03:58] <sproingie> someone was in #ubuntu this morning asking about video editing [03:59] <sproingie> free options are ... limited [03:59] <gdarel> what are the paind options? [03:59] <sproingie> linux goes straight from hobby-horse to super-expensive-high-end without much inbetween [03:59] <ray_> untrue [03:59] <sproingie> in terms of video editing, that's what i hear [03:59] <ray_> oh sorry [04:00] <ray_> im dumb [04:00] <MasterChief01> Though I am curious. What happens to all the files that Kynaptic downloaded? Do I have to delete the caches manually? [04:00] <ray_> avidemux is pretty good [04:00] <sproingie> MasterChief01: if you're bored, you can. unless you're tight on space you probably dont have to [04:01] <MasterChief01> sproingie - I like to keep as little waste as possible. [04:01] <sproingie> MasterChief01: /var/cache/apt/archives would be where the cached packages are [04:01] <ray_> MasterChief01: chances are you need a lot of those to install gnome anyway [04:01] <MasterChief01> ray - The setup/install of ubuntu-desktop is complete [04:01] <sproingie> far as i know apt never prunes the cache [04:01] <MasterChief01> sproingie - Ah, thanks [04:01] <sproingie> there's probably some setting to change that [04:01] <sproingie> but apt configuration is ... hairy [04:02] <sproingie> uses some weird notation kinda like bind9 [04:02] <MasterChief01> hm, access denied. [04:02] <ray_> MasterChief01: now if you log out then you can log into gnome [04:02] <sproingie> MasterChief01: sudo [04:02] <ray_> SUDO [04:03] <MasterChief01> Okay, how do I do this in the command line? What's the command? Or can I do this in GUI as well? [04:03] <ray_> do what [04:03] <MasterChief01> the cache cleaning? [04:03] <po> gdarel : try here http://kde-apps.org/?xcontentmode=221 [04:04] <ray_> sudo apt-get clean [04:04] <ray_> sudo apt-get clean [04:04] <gdarel> HTHANKS! [04:05] <MasterChief01> ray_ thanks. [04:05] <ray_> MasterChief01: also ........ sudo apt-get autoclean [04:05] <sproingie> ray's apt kung-fu is strong [04:06] <MasterChief01> Indeed. [04:06] <MasterChief01> VERY strong indeed. [04:06] <MasterChief01> BRB, logging out and in again. [04:07] <po> will MasterChief01 know how to use gnome? [04:07] <sproingie> stay tuned [04:08] <sproingie> same halo time ... same halo irc channel [04:08] <po> :) [04:08] <sproingie> i keep reading "master chief" as "master chef" [04:08] <sproingie> i'd love to see a mod for halo that turns him into the swedish chef [04:09] <sproingie> or maybe emeril.... "let's kick it up a notch" [04:10] <MasterChief01> Cool, worked. [04:10] <po> so? [04:10] <MasterChief01> ? [04:10] <po> you're running gnome? [04:10] <MasterChief01> Yep [04:10] <po> how do you feel?! [04:11] <MasterChief01> Hehe, like I managed to accomplish something without completely destroying my comp. [04:11] <MasterChief01> And, holy sheep shit my CD is playing! [04:12] <po> whith sound? [04:12] <MasterChief01> Yep [04:12] <po> cool! [04:12] <po> maybe you should try to update your kde packages as well just to try to make it work whith kde [04:13] <MasterChief01> po Good idea. I assume you do that with apt-get as well? [04:13] <po> yes but you havo to ad the repositories [04:13] <po> try to find gnome-terminal [04:14] <MasterChief01> Okay. [04:14] <po> sudo gedit [04:14] <MasterChief01> Okay, I'm in gedit [04:15] <po> open /etc/apt/sources.list [04:15] <MasterChief01> Open [04:16] <po> copy+paste this [04:16] <MasterChief01> oops, closed it by accident, hold on one sec [04:16] <po> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main [04:16] <MasterChief01> Okay, loading up the page... [04:17] <po> ?? don't load the page ... copy "deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main" at the end of sources.list [04:17] <kinfo> No match for "don't" [04:17] <po> don't load the page ... copy "deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main" at the end of sources.list [04:18] <MasterChief01> With the " marks or no? [04:18] <po> no "" [04:18] <MasterChief01> Do I put a #? [04:18] <po> no ... # means "ignore this line" [04:18] <po> save and close [04:18] <MasterChief01> Okay, I pasted that line to the end, and now I'm saving [04:19] <MasterChief01> Okay, gedit is closed. [04:19] <po> then "apt-get update" (no "") [04:19] <MasterChief01> I had to sudo that command. [04:20] <po> yes [04:20] <po> i forgot [04:20] <po> then apt-get upgrade (not update) [04:20] <MasterChief01> Hm, failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342/dists/hoary-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz [04:21] <fromoze> not yet kde 3.4.2 amd64 packages [04:21] <MasterChief01> Ah. [04:21] <fromoze> must wait :) [04:21] <MasterChief01> Ah. [04:21] <fromoze> like I do ;) [04:21] <MasterChief01> Oh well, I'm happy with Gnome for now. [04:21] <po> ok [04:22] <fromoze> but 3.4.1 works [04:22] <MasterChief01> fro - True. [04:22] <fromoze> just change kde342 to kde341 [04:23] <MasterChief01> Fro - Okay, let me do that... [04:24] <MasterChief01> Okay, running the There, that was fast. [04:25] <MasterChief01> That's funny... I did install RealPlayer, but when I click the realplayer shortcut I get this error - "Cannot launch entry Details: Failed to ececute child process realplay (no such file or directory)" [04:27] <po> MasterChief01 : (about kde 3.4.1) if you did "sudo apt-get update" i suppose you can now do "sudo apt-get upgrade" to complete de update [04:27] <MasterChief01> Okay, thanks for the reminder [04:28] <MasterChief01> I assume these write over the old versions? [04:28] <po> i assume that too [04:29] <MasterChief01> Okay. [04:29] <MasterChief01> Though if this keeps going as well as it is, Ubuntu's going to get a lot more space on the HD soon... This is pretty good... [04:32] <po> that's right ... you must keep trying [04:32] <MasterChief01> Indeed. [04:33] <po> one day or another things start to work [04:34] <MasterChief01> Indeed. Seems like this was the day linux started to work for me. Though I will of course be printing out some apt-get and other important command line commands for reference/study [04:36] <Subvertir> Hi guys, is there a kubuntu repository that I can use to (safely) migrate from Debian Unstable to Kubuntu? [04:36] <Subvertir> or at least, reasonably safe. Or, worst case, might work but if it doesn't stfu noob. [04:38] <Subvertir> there's like 100 people here, and everyone is idle? [04:38] <MasterChief01> Sorry... [04:38] <MasterChief01> One sec... [04:38] <fromoze> Subvertir: official mirrors can do it, no? [04:39] <Subvertir> I'm not sure... [04:40] <MasterChief01> Subvertir - Well the repositories for Ubuntu have done well for me so far. I only had to add one to update my KDE desktop [04:40] <Subvertir> So I add the Ubuntu repositories and the Kubuntu repo? [04:40] <Subvertir> cool [04:40] <MasterChief01> I guess. I've never used another distro... [04:41] <Subvertir> this will likely cause severe breakage [04:41] <Subvertir> I don't even like this computer, so that's fine. [04:41] <MasterChief01> Now now, think positive [04:42] <MasterChief01> Damn it, I REinstalled RealPlayer, and I still get that error. [04:42] <_frank> Subvertir: I think the libraries in unstable are later versions than hoary... it might be hard to migrate [04:42] <Subvertir> Won't apt default to not updating them? [04:42] <Subvertir> I can just pray none of the new stuff causes breakage [04:43] <Subvertir> and if it does, I'll just leave it sit for about 9 months =) [04:43] <_frank> packages in the hoary repositories often don't want to install if you don't have the hoary libraries [04:43] <Subvertir> oh, it's like libtool-2.7-hoary or something? [04:44] <_frank> -ubuntu [04:44] <_frank> yeah [04:44] <_frank> for whatever reason install debian libraries in ubuntu is a bad iedea [04:45] <fromoze> Subvertir: one thing, don't use the us.archives.ubuntu.com url, is the more problematic one :) [04:45] <MasterChief01> Anyone know how to remove a program once it's installed? I'm done with Realplayer, at least for now. [04:47] <Subvertir> fi.archives seems to be doing ok [04:47] <_frank> MasterChief01: did you install with apt? [04:47] <Subvertir> 216kb/s I can live with [04:47] <po> MasterChief01 : it was a .bin file right ? i don't know how to unistall it ... maybe jus delete the directory where you installed it? (or maybe not) [04:47] <MasterChief01> Frank - No, I followed the instructions at real.com [04:48] <_frank> oh [04:48] <MasterChief01> po - I wanna wait before doing that, so I don't end up having registry problems. [04:48] <kevinrose> hello [04:48] <_frank> MasterChief01: did it install as a user? in /home? [04:48] <kevinrose> I am kevinrose! [04:48] <Subvertir> I wish I hadn't dist-upgraded last week [04:48] <MasterChief01> Frank - Yes [04:48] <kevinrose> I am a media whore [04:48] <MasterChief01> As was the defualt [04:48] <kevinrose> hee [04:48] <Subvertir> I'd be able to just do this cleanly, because all of my debian libs would be way out of date [04:48] <kevinrose> heh* [04:48] <_frank> there may be an uninstall scrip I don't know. but just deleting should be ok. [04:49] <MasterChief01> Frank - Okay. And the shortcut in "sound & Video"? [04:50] <_frank> um... right click the menu and edit menu [04:50] <_frank> the easy way to install realplayer is with synaptic or kynaptic [04:50] <_frank> !repositories [04:50] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [04:50] <Subvertir> I like mplayer [04:50] <_frank> you need backports for the latest version of realplayer [04:51] <MasterChief01> _frank - I see. Hold on, I'm trying to actually uninstall this damned thing... WOn't let me go to root for even a sec to uninstall via the GUI [04:51] <MasterChief01> backports? [04:51] <Subvertir> I actually use mplayer on win32, and even compiled with cygwin and runtime CPU detection, it plays hi-res files better than WMP [04:52] <po> MasterChief01: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ [04:52] <_frank> !backports [04:52] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section [04:53] <MasterChief01> Ah, I see. [04:53] <MasterChief01> Frank - Do you know how to delete a locked folder? [04:53] <_frank> you mean its owned by root? [04:53] <MasterChief01> Yeah. The installation of realplayer is root-owned [04:54] <MasterChief01> apparently [04:54] <_frank> is the folder in /home? [04:54] <MasterChief01> Yes [04:54] <MasterChief01> It's in /home/revan [04:54] <_frank> just sudo rm -r /home/user/realplayer or whatever [04:55] <_frank> sudo rm -r can hurt you... watch out! [04:55] <MasterChief01> Frank - I'll be cautious. [04:55] <MasterChief01> And there goes that damned realplayer install. [04:56] <MasterChief01> Now I gotta figure out how to remove the menu shortcut. [04:58] <_frank> right click the menu to edit it [04:58] <po> MasterChief01 : do it on kde ... it's simplier ... i don't think you can edit the menus on gnome just by right clik+edit menu ... [04:58] <MasterChief01> Thanks for the tip, po [04:58] <_frank> oh for gnome, you need to install smeg to edit menus [04:58] <Subvertir> I use quanta and kate over xdmcp... it's nice [04:58] <MasterChief01> Lemmie log out one sec [04:58] <Subvertir> a lot faster than I expected it to be [05:03] <MasterChief01> Well I deleted it in KDE, then came back to Gnome, where it's still there... [05:03] <MasterChief01> The shortcut I mean. [05:03] <_frank> are you sure there wasn't an uninstall script? [05:04] <MasterChief01> Not that I could see, no. [05:04] <_frank> maybe runing the .bin again would've given you the option to uninstall [05:04] <MasterChief01> I did that when I reinstalled. [05:05] <_frank> anyways you need smeg to edit the gnome menu [05:05] <MasterChief01> And I get this where? [05:05] <_frank> !smeg [05:05] <ubotu> smeg is, like, totally, a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports. [05:05] <_frank> put backports in your repositories. There is alot of good stuff in backports [05:06] <MasterChief01> Indeed. Lemmie just get that backports link again... [05:07] <jsubl2> !backports [05:07] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section [05:07] <_frank> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ [05:08] <MasterChief01> Found it. [05:08] <MasterChief01> Thanks. :) [05:08] <_frank> you can also get w32codecs and java in backports (hoary-extras) [05:09] <MasterChief01> Okay, lets see how this works...
deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports</b> [05:12] <MasterChief01> So that space is necessary too, before hoary-backports? [05:12] <MasterChief01> (Just making sure [05:12] <po> yes [05:13] <MasterChief01> Okay, this is what I've written in the sources.list file [05:14] <MasterChief01> deb ftp://ftp2.caliu.info/backports/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [05:14] <MasterChief01> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ oary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [05:14] <MasterChief01> deb ftp://ftp2.caliu.info/backports/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [05:14] <MasterChief01> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ oary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [05:14] <MasterChief01> That right? [05:14] <_frank> missing a few h [05:14] <_frank> but yeah [05:14] <_frank> did you install synaptic? [05:15] <MasterChief01> Thanks for pointing out the typo. [05:15] <MasterChief01> Yes. [05:15] <MasterChief01> Funny, thought I had, but I don't see it... [05:16] <_frank> synaptic is much better than kynaptic [05:16] <MasterChief01> sudo apt-get synaptic right? [05:16] <_frank> yeah or use kynaptic to install synaptic [05:17] <MasterChief01> Invalid operation synaptic? [05:18] <_frank> sudo apt-get install synaptic [05:19] <MasterChief01> Looks like I need to run update to correct some problems. [05:19] <_frank> yes you do since you canged the sources.list [05:20] <MasterChief01> Oh hell, the update won't work, a whole bunch of stuff can't be opened.... [05:20] <MasterChief01> Guess I'll take the kynaptic to synaptic route. [05:21] <MasterChief01> Bah, guess I gotta change to KDE... logging out. [05:24] <MasterChief01> Back, and it's funny, I found Synaptic on KDE... [05:27] <MasterChief01> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://public.planetmirror.com hoary-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/public.planetmirror.com_pub_ubuntu-backports_dists_hoary-backports_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) [05:27] <MasterChief01> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://public.planetmirror.com hoary-backports/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/public.planetmirror.com_pub_ubuntu-backports_dists_hoary-backports_universe_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) [05:27] <MasterChief01> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://public.planetmirror.com hoary-backports/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/public.planetmirror.com_pub_ubuntu-backports_dists_hoary-backports_multiverse_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) [05:27] <MasterChief01> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://public.planetmirror.com hoary-backports/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/public.planetmirror.com_pub_ubuntu-backports_dists_hoary-backports_restricted_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) [05:27] <MasterChief01> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://public.planetmirror.com oary-extras/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/public.planetmirror.com_pub_ubuntu-backports_dists_oary-extras_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) [05:27] <MasterChief01> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://public.planetmirror.com oary-extras/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/public.planetmirror.com_pub_ubuntu-backports_dists_oary-extras_universe_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) [05:27] <MasterChief01> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://public.planetmirror.com oary-extras/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/public.planetmirror.com_pub_ubuntu-backports_dists_oary-extras_multiverse_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) [05:27] <MasterChief01> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://public.planetmirror.com oary-extras/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/public.planetmirror.com_pub_ubuntu-backports_dists_oary-extras_restricted_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) [05:27] <_frank> dont paste stuff like that!!!!!! [05:27] <_frank> dont paste stuff like that!!!!!! [05:27] <_frank> dont paste stuff like that!!!!!! [05:27] <MasterChief01> Sorry for the flood, but I needed to show this error window. [05:27] <Subvertir> I just dist-upgraded to kubuntu, and the box is still running fine (fwiw!) [05:27] <MasterChief01> My apologies. [05:27] <_frank> #flood [05:27] <Subvertir> mustn't restart it for a while now! [05:28] <Subvertir> I forgive you [05:28] <Subvertir> you were pwnt by the ol middle click? [05:28] <_frank> did you add the h back? [05:28] <MasterChief01> Yes. [05:28] <_frank> ckports_dists_oary-extras_m [05:28] <MasterChief01> Lemmie look again. [05:29] <fromoze> not only #flood [05:29] <fromoze> !pastebin [05:29] <ubotu> well, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl [05:29] <fromoze> good night :) [05:29] <MasterChief01> Thanks [05:30] <MasterChief01> Okay, there was a second h needing insertion. My fault. :) [05:30] <MasterChief01> Now Synaptic is working... [05:30] <MasterChief01> Okay, it works for a while then vanishes. [05:33] <MasterChief01> Hm, need video codecs... [05:34] <_frank> w32codecs [05:34] <_frank> in backports [05:34] <Subvertir> okay! it works. [05:34] <MasterChief01> Frank - Thanks. [05:35] <MasterChief01> Okay, seems planetmirror is useless... [05:35] <_frank> I don't have that mirrot [05:35] <_frank> I don't have that mirror [05:36] <MasterChief01> Lets see how ftp2.caliu.info/backports/ does... [05:36] <_frank> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> [05:36] <_frank> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
 [05:36] <_frank> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /> [05:36] <EasterSunshine> uh oh [05:36] <MasterChief01> Frank - ? [05:36] <_frank> <meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" /> [05:37] <EasterSunshine> hes pasting a whole html doc


 [05:37] <_frank> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted</pre></body>
 [05:37] <_frank> what??? [05:37] <_frank> #deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [05:37] <_frank> I just copy pasted [05:37] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell frank about paste [05:37] <EasterSunshine> oh crap i told the wrong frank [05:37] <_frank> hehe [05:37] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell _frank about paste [05:37] <MasterChief01> Frank - The backports site said to replace that url with one of the mirrors [05:37] <_frank> MasterChief01: I just use this one [05:38] <_frank> I didn't intend to flood [05:39] <MasterChief01> frank - Okay, let me add that one then. [05:40] <MasterChief01> Okay, put one for backports and one for extras... [05:42] <MasterChief01> Why does KDE hate CDs so much? [05:43] <_frank> suggestion: disable backports when you don't need them: comment them out with # [05:43] <MasterChief01> Not a bad idea. [05:45] <MasterChief01> Synaptic is already newest version, so we're good there... [05:45] <kainos> how do i know if my laptops modem is working properly? [05:45] <_frank> because if you do an upgrade with them on, it will upgrade a bunch of stuff you don't really need upgraded [05:45] <MasterChief01> Frank - I see. [05:46] <kainos> how do i know if my laptops modem is working properly?...Is there a utlity which i can use? [05:46] <MasterChief01> BRB, gonna reboot [05:46] <_frank> not really sure... if its not a winmodem, it should be fine [05:47] <kainos> winmodem works under linux as well? [05:48] <_frank> well some do, some don't I think... I have no experience with them [05:50] <kainos> i am installin efax because its easier that hylafax. but it cant seem to detect my modem . i have tried devices such as ttyS0, ttyS1 etc...but nothing works [06:03] <MasterChief01> There, got in some updates. Though I'm having trouble finding a good avi codec on Synaptic... [06:05] <_frank> what do you mean? [06:05] <MasterChief01> I'm trying to open some avis, but they won't play. [06:05] <_frank> with w32codecs, you should have pretty much everything you need [06:05] <MasterChief01> Let's see if I can find that one... [06:05] <_frank> do you know what codec you need? [06:06] <_frank> w32codecs in synaptic [06:06] <MasterChief01> Thanks. Meanwhile, what I need is Divx and DVD support [06:07] <MasterChief01> Can't find w32codecs in Synaptic [06:08] <_frank> its in backports (hoary-extras) only on x86 though [06:08] <MasterChief01> Bahhh... [06:08] <MasterChief01> Of course there wouldn't be one for x86_64... [06:12] <MasterChief01> Welcome back, Frank. [06:12] <_frank> still there? [06:12] <MasterChief01> Yeah. [06:12] <kainos> why is it so damn hard to configure modem from linux [06:13] <_frank> for divx, you need ffmpeg [06:13] <_frank> not sure if its there by default [06:13] <_frank> kainos: is it a winmodem? [06:14] <kainos> u mean d modem im using? i dnt know its in my laptop [06:14] <MasterChief01> "ffmpeg" can't be found with Synaptic. I'm somehow not surprised... [06:14] <kainos> m a newbie..m sorry [06:14] <_frank> MasterChief01: its in there [06:15] <MasterChief01> I already have the latest gstreamer and libavcodec-dev [06:15] <MasterChief01> Frank - Probably another thing x86_64 is missing out on... [06:15] <Poromies> MasterChief01: there is a how-to on forums to get w32codecs to amd64 [06:16] <Poromies> just a sec and I'll get it for ya [06:16] <_frank> yeah I used to use amd64 and changed to x86 -- its like heaven compared to the problems you run into with amd64 [06:16] <MasterChief01> Thanks, that'd be much appreciated. [06:16] <MasterChief01> frank - I can tell. [06:18] <_frank> I had setup a chroot to run the 32bit programs [06:18] <MasterChief01> A what? [06:18] <_frank> a 32bit OS within the 64bit one [06:19] <MasterChief01> Ah. Does that take up a lot of space? [06:19] <_frank> well you need all the libraries all over again [06:19] <_frank> so yeah [06:19] <MasterChief01> Ah. Lovely. An extra gig or two. [06:20] <_frank> frankly, I suggest using x86 [06:20] <MasterChief01> Yeah, probably gonna end up doing that. Most likely it'll be another year or two before x86_64 is fully supported. [06:20] <MasterChief01> Heh. Poor AMD [06:20] <_frank> I learned alot setting up everything amd64 [06:21] <_frank> actually, ubuntu will have a way to install 32bit programs sometime [06:21] <MasterChief01> I imagine... [06:21] <MasterChief01> Oh? [06:21] <_frank> windows x64 does the same thing. IE is still 32bit [06:22] <_frank> its not transparent yet in linux though [06:22] <MasterChief01> Hehe, I see. [06:23] <MasterChief01> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-30303.html Let's see if this works... [06:23] <_frank> I'll wait until it becomes painless to switch to x86_64 [06:23] <MasterChief01> Good idea. [06:23] <MasterChief01> Poor AMD, rushing out 64-bit processors and there's so little support... [06:24] <_frank> well amd's chip are still the best performing when running x86 code [06:25] <MasterChief01> True. [06:26] <MasterChief01> I'll worry about it some other time. Right now, I need sleep. [06:26] <MasterChief01> Night all. [06:37] <pc09> #bethany [06:50] <arcanistherogue> hey, I have some questions about Doom for linux [06:50] <arcanistherogue> Doom 2, I mean [06:50] <richardk> hello [06:50] <arcanistherogue> I have been using legacy doom, do they make this for windows? [06:50] <richardk> i have a question [06:51] <arcanistherogue> yeah? [06:51] <arcanistherogue> perhaps i can help [06:51] <richardk> i need what to add to the repositories list in synaptics to get universe and multiverse lists of programs [06:52] <richardk> i need to know this please [06:52] <arcanistherogue> pardon? [06:52] <arcanistherogue> oh i think i get it, you want to expand your repositories? [06:52] <richardk> yes [06:52] <arcanistherogue> you can find out at http://ubuntuguide.org [06:52] <arcanistherogue> use find for repositores [06:52] <arcanistherogue> *repositories [06:53] <arcanistherogue> ctrl-f [06:54] <arcanistherogue> got it? [08:12] <kakalto> how can I list all the currently running programs? [08:13] <Subvertir> ps aux [08:13] <Subvertir> pstree [08:20] <kakalto> thanks [08:22] <kakalto> alas, it didn't help >.< [08:23] <kakalto> I tried running googletalk in wine, and now I have the googletalk window not responding, but taking up some of my screen [08:23] <kakalto> the problem is, I didn't run in directly through a terminal [08:26] <kakalto> bleh [08:32] <diginet> ? [08:47] <_4rte> yop yop [08:59] <jeh> the page http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php could mention that the 3.4.2 packages require "universe" to be enabled for all packages to be installed [08:59] <jeh> kdepim won't get installed because it depends on kleopatra which needs some extra stuff [09:05] <_frank> jeh: I guess... most people who update kde would have universe enabled but you're right. I don't know who can edit that [09:05] <jeh> i just stumbled over it yesterday with a fresh installed machine where i wanted 3.4.2 [09:05] <jeh> but i guess you're right, any system that's been in use for a while probably has it enabled [09:06] <thoreauputic> can someone type my nick, please? [09:06] <_frank> thoreauputic: [09:06] <thoreauputic> thanks :) [09:07] <_frank> np [09:08] <thoreauputic> The colour highlighting wasn't showing on my dark background, so I needed to change it - yellow on dark blue shows up nicely now ;) [09:08] <_frank> ok [09:30] <Thardas> Is there any downsides in adding universe in sources.list? [09:33] <nikkia> Thardas: not particularly [09:34] <Thardas> Of course there's some software which isn't supported but universe's and normal repository's packages won't conflict? [09:36] <thoreauputic> nikkia: I solved the mystery of urxvt not incrementing utmp :) [09:36] <nikkia> thoreauputic: permissions ? [09:37] <nikkia> Thardas: they shouldn't [09:37] <nikkia> Thardas: as far as i know, there shouldn't be any packages that are in universe *and* somewhere else, its possible that you might run into dependancy issues though, but i think thats unlikely [09:37] <thoreauputic> nikkia: chown root:utmp /usr/bin/urxvt && chmod g+s /usr/bin/urxvt [09:37] <nikkia> thoreauputic: yeah, as i thought [09:37] <thoreauputic> nikkia: :) [09:38] <thoreauputic> nikkia: that doesn't work for konsole, though, for some reason [09:38] <thoreauputic> nikkia: but since I don't use konsole, I'm not too bothered [09:54] <matthew> anyone got google talk working with kopete? [09:59] <fatejudger> is there any way to check if your video card is working properly in linux? [10:00] <fatejudger> I tried using cedega (winex) and it says my video card drivers aren't there [10:00] <fatejudger> or something to that effect anyway [10:01] <fatejudger> anyone? [10:03] <fatejudger> is anyone even here? [10:04] <Poromies> yep, but i dont know anything about cedega/wine/x [10:05] <Poromies> you might have better luck asking in ubuntu channel, or go to wine forums/irc-channel [10:05] <fatejudger> well [10:05] <fatejudger> it isn't really a cedega problem [10:05] <fatejudger> its a video card problem [10:05] <fatejudger> so I don't know where to go [10:06] <fatejudger> if I install the Linux Nvidia driver to just to be sure it's installed correctly will it fuck anything up? [10:10] <n> I'm trying to compile plptools w/ KDE support but it just keeps saying checking for Qt... (single-threaded) (multi-threaded) configure: error: Qt (>= 19991109) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! [10:10] <n> I've tried everything I can think of- all the KDE + QT dev files are installed, and I've tried pointing configure towards them but to no avail [10:11] <n> Could it be something to do with it wanting an old QT- it says it compiles for KDE 3 though [10:12] <nikkia> n, check the config.log file, its probaably that its trying to use an old Qt function that doesn't exist anymore [10:24] <hvm> hello [10:24] <hvm> i need some help, pls [10:25] <hvm> hello, anyone? [10:27] <tvo> hvm: just ask [10:28] <hvm> oh, ok [10:28] <hvm> how do i log into the root user? [10:29] <tvo> by default, that's impossible, because (k)ubuntu uses sudo [10:29] <tvo> let me find the link [10:29] <hvm> aha [10:29] <hvm> that sucks [10:29] <nikkia> hvm, if you want a shell session as root, use sudo -s or sudo -i [10:29] <hvm> ok [10:30] <hvm> thanks [10:30] <nikkia> which are analogies for su and su - respectively [10:30] <hvm> thanks [10:31] <tvo> hvm: here is more info --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo [10:32] <hvm> ok, thanks again [10:32] <cem0r> hvm: Do you use Ubuntu or Kubuntu? [10:32] <hvm> kubuntu [10:32] <cem0r> However, yesterday someone posted this this link: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1565 [10:33] <cem0r> If you just want to do some file operations in KDE you can also use this: kdesu -c konqueror [10:34] <cem0r> errr .. some file operations as root [10:34] <hvm> ok, 10x [10:35] <cem0r> null problemo [10:39] <nikkia> uhoh [10:43] <nikkia> not good words to hear your boss utter 'those arseholes in <insert other office location that is working on the same strategic contract as you> have f***ed up, and aren't going to supply their project on time' [11:01] <locomorto> hey guys [11:01] <cem0r> hey guy ;) [11:02] <locomorto> google talk is out! [11:02] <locomorto> www.google.com/talk [11:02] <locomorto> it works with kopete as far as i can tell [11:02] <locomorto> Create a new account go Jabber [11:02] <locomorto> for username place in your whole gmail address (eg kde@gmail.com) [11:02] <locomorto> check the use SSL [11:03] <locomorto> go connection [11:03] <locomorto> check the override server settings [11:03] <locomorto> and place in talk.google.com [11:03] <locomorto> then voila [11:10] <nikkia> locomorto: its not the whole gmail address [11:10] <locomorto> it is for me [11:10] <nikkia> locomorto: it gives auth failed doing that, the google docs say to use the part BEFORE @gmail [11:10] <locomorto> Kopete wont accept it otherwise anyway [11:10] <locomorto> and i seemed to log in fine... [11:10] <nikkia> hmmm [11:10] <nikkia> i get auth failed with my gmail address [11:11] <locomorto> do you have SSL enabled? [11:11] <locomorto> The Jabber ID you have chosen is invalid. Please make sure it is in the form user@server.com, like an email address. [11:11] <nikkia> nope, i tried that, it said the server doesn't support SSL [11:11] <locomorto> do you have the server set to talk.google.com [11:12] <nikkia> ah, its not talk.google.com [11:12] <nikkia> nope, that doesn't work either, gah [11:19] <Aapzak> hello everyone [11:24] <Aapzak> I have work to do, speak to you later! [11:43] <buz> what could it be that sensors detects everything BUT fan speed on my "new" asus k8v? [11:44] <buz> also i'm wondering if ksysguard can somehow display harddisk temperatures? [12:24] <n> Can I can kdb2html for kubuntu? I need it to compile plptools [12:26] <thoreauputic> peter@prospero:~$ apt-cache search plptools [12:26] <thoreauputic> plptools - Access a Psion PDA over a serial link [12:26] <thoreauputic> plptools is in the universe repository [12:27] <n> thoreau: The plptools package for ubuntu doesn't come with kpsion, which is why i need to compile it [12:27] <thoreauputic> ah, OK [12:27] <n> so, is there a way to search all the different ubuntu packages for kdb2html? [12:28] <thoreauputic> apt-cache search kdb2html - but I just did that and got no output [12:28] <thoreauputic> !find kdb2html [12:29] <thoreauputic> I suspect it isn't in any repos... unless ubotu is still looking... ;) [12:29] <n> I dunno why kpsion was left out as it is part of suse 9,3 and MDK 10.2 [12:30] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'kdb2html' returned no results. [12:30] <nikkia> morning apokryphos [12:30] <apokryphos> nikkia: loud music, and parents actually semi-waking me up to "help clean up". :/ [12:30] <nikkia> apokryphos: heh [12:31] <apokryphos> it's like school [12:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: i got a phone call from my boss today [12:31] <apokryphos> heh [12:31] <n> oh well! I've tried everything I can think of now, just waiting to see if I hear anything back from ubuntus plptools maintainer, see if he can help [12:31] <nikkia> on his way to the office of the other team working on this strategic contract... he started with 'those arseholes at <insert name of other office> have f***ed up, so your project is now our primary focus on this contract because they can't f***ing deliver on time' [12:32] <apokryphos> :-O [12:32] <apokryphos> Position of power nikkia, position of power. Mwuahaha (evil laugh) [12:32] <tapanim> i need dvd/cd burning program. best? [12:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: i said 'now isn't a good time to say it won't be finished by friday, then?' :) [12:32] <jeh> tapanim: k3b [12:32] <nikkia> tapanim: k3b [12:33] <tapanim> ok [12:33] <nikkia> tapanim: altho it has some issues with DVDs :/ [12:33] <tapanim> thanks [12:33] <jeh> that was easy [12:33] <apokryphos> nikkia: Heh. More work? ;/ [12:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah [12:33] <apokryphos> nikkia: not recommending NeroLinux yet? ;-) [12:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: a long list of 'fixes' from our tester [12:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: its not free, so [12:34] <apokryphos> yah [12:34] <apokryphos> nikkia: ok, gotta go; they're annoyed I'm not helping ;-) [12:37] <tapanim> /exit [12:56] <bernadine> help. im having a hardtime installing HylaFaxServer [12:56] <bernadine> it cant seem to detect my mdem [01:06] <bernadine> after installing hylafax ... do i still need to compile? [01:06] <bernadine> newbie here [01:10] <bernadine> can anybody help? [01:14] <tapanim> what is Qt and how i get it? [01:17] <n> How do I 'regenerate a configure file'? [01:29] <jeh> tapanim: www.trolltech.com [01:35] <theuser> Hihu, when i upgrade ( aptitude upgrade ) i get an error " 'swap0' does not have a valid block device in /etc/crypttab " any idea ? [01:44] <theuser> done. :) [02:14] <chile> hola a todos [02:25] <bahagia> testtest [02:25] <MrPoke> it is working [02:56] <antrix> hello.. anyone able to connect to google talk using kopete? [02:58] <pointwood> I'm connected it seems, but I haven't been able to talk to others... [02:58] <po> antrix : read this http://oisch.blogspot.com/2005/08/google-does-it-again.html [02:59] <antrix> po, i was doing that.. install qca-tls and for several tries it gave me connection errors... [03:00] <antrix> po, but started working now! [03:00] <pointwood> :) [03:00] <pointwood> now try to add me: jramskov@gmail.com [03:00] <antrix> one sec [03:01] <pointwood> I bet it doesn't work though [03:01] <pointwood> hey! [03:01] <pointwood> it did [03:01] <antrix> yep, [03:01] <antrix> but is it kopete2kopete only? [03:01] <pointwood> just tried with another person that uses the google client...that didn't work... [03:02] <pointwood> ah...I just did it wrong before [03:03] <pointwood> I've succesfully added another person now [03:03] <antrix> cool [03:03] <pointwood> that uses the google client that is [03:03] <antrix> i've to look for someone to add :) [03:03] <pointwood> hehe [03:03] <pointwood> so far only gmail users :( [03:39] <blaq> I've got an AMD Duron and was wondering which kernel would be best. Should i go the 686 kernel or the K7 kernel? [03:40] <clem_yeats_away> blaq : I've got a Duron and things work great with x86. [03:41] <blaq> yeah but imagine how much BETTER they could work [03:41] <blaq> ... [03:41] <blaq> ? [03:43] <clem_yeats_away> well... [03:43] <clem_yeats_away> things can always be better [03:43] <clem_yeats_away> there is no happiness without contentment though. [03:46] <nikkia> blaq: i don't think it honestly makes much difference [03:47] <nikkia> blaq: in theory, the k7 kernel can be slightly faster, as it can optimise with 3dnow instructions, but i doubt there's much in the kernel that makes real use of those types of optimisations anyway [03:48] <nikkia> (and those few places that can, will get SSE instructions on the 686 kernel, and there's not really much real-world speed difference between an occasional SSE block and an occasional 3dnow block) [03:51] <blaq> yeah fair call [03:55] <nikkia> blaq, really, its up to you, although i've heard some people say they had problems with the k7 kernel, but i'd take that with a grain of salt - people have problems with all kinds of stuff that just works for everyone else :) [04:00] <blaq> yeah i've compiled my own kernels before and when one doesn't work, its a bit of a pain in the arse trying to get it all going again, especially when i don't have a floppy drive in this computer [04:01] <blaq> so i think i might just leave it if its working [04:10] <xxx> Hi [04:10] <xxx> Question on SANE, i did not find anything... [04:11] <xxx> what would be the best solution for tis? [04:11] <xxx> currently I chmodded /dev/sg worldwritable and readabele [04:11] <xxx> now users can also use xsane, but this is not the best solution, I think... [04:12] <xxx> the question was: users can not read /write to /dev/sg2, that is my scanner, only root can [04:12] <xxx> using / as a first char is not good in irc ;) [04:14] <nikkia> xxx, i think you'll find that /dev/sg* belongs to the group 'disk', if so, add users to that group and they should be able to access the scanner [04:15] <nikkia> xxx, a more elegant solution would be to define a group 'scanner', and use a udev rule to make sure that the scanner's scsi-generic device node gets set to that group (you'll want to check against the vendor/model, as other things get /dev/sg nodes besides the scanner) [04:40] <bjorn_> hi, are there any kubuntu colony 3 out? [04:40] <bjorn_> or is it just ubuntu that have the beta? [04:40] <apokryphos> bjorn_: ISOs are built daily for Breezy, so -- yes and no [04:41] <apokryphos> Heh, a KGet "simple UI" proposed: http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=28160&PHPSESSID=c5ea313698866068556175ade424894f Is it me, or should this have been done ten years ago? [04:41] <apokryphos> bjorn_: cdimage.ubuntu.com [04:41] <bjorn_> ok [04:46] <pussfeller> hope this offical update fixes k3b [04:55] <Nate1> why do I have such a hard time attempting to ./configure, make, and make install on Kubuntu? I've tried putting on all development packages needed, and libraries. [04:56] <apokryphos> Nate1: it's useless if you don't give us specific errors [04:56] <Nate1> I understand. [05:04] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> I just downloaded Kpackage. Looks cool enough, at least until Breezy comes out with adept, but somehow it isn't working for me [05:05] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> It wants the command su, which doesn't work in Kubuntu [05:05] <jpatrick> then do: sudo su [05:06] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> No, it does that automatically [05:07] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> I select some random packages, click Apply, then a window pops up with the already entered command su and a password prompt [05:07] <apokryphos> Rogue_Jedi_Zero: yes, there's a problem in KPackage [05:07] <jpatrick> I never liked KPackage [05:07] <apokryphos> it hasn't been configured to use sudo, so you actually need to use your su pass when it requests it [05:07] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> So, I should probably just kill it, huh? [05:08] <apokryphos> Rogue_Jedi_Zero: I don't think so. It's my favourite GUI front-end to APT by quite a bit, at the moment. [05:08] <_liquidfire> !ntfs [05:08] <ubotu> well, ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions. [05:09] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> I see. I'll fiddle around with it some more then [05:09] <amu> !gnome [05:09] <ubotu> from memory, gnome is an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users. see http://gnome.org for details. [05:10] <_liquidfire> !kde [05:10] <ubotu> A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/ [05:10] <apokryphos> for end-users? What's that. [05:10] <amu> :) hehe [05:11] <amu> !gnoppix [05:11] <ubotu> amu: What? [05:11] <_liquidfire> I love kde [05:11] <_liquidfire> :o [05:11] <_liquidfire> but more unstable [05:11] <_liquidfire> but much more appealing [05:11] <_liquidfire> imo [05:12] <apokryphos> amu: I really never knew that gnoppix was Ubuntu-derived. Thought it was always out there, just a less-popular alternate to knoppix [05:12] <amu> !/sbin/halt [05:12] <ubotu> amu: Do they come in packets of five? [05:13] <apokryphos> ubotu: gnoppix is <reply> Gnoppix is a linux live cd based upon Ubuntu . Similar to Knoppix, but it uses the GNOME Desktop Environment. See: http://gnoppix.org [05:13] <ubotu> apokryphos: okay [05:14] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Spiffy [05:14] <amu> apokryphos: hehe, we have all our dirty secrets :) [05:14] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Can it do russian roulette too? :) [05:16] <_liquidfire> hmm [05:16] <apokryphos> amu: so the project is going well? How many people are there working on it? [05:17] <apokryphos> I'm wondering what's wrong with the Ubuntu LiveCD that they've got this fork :P [05:17] <apokryphos> a double-fork: ubuntu+knoppix [05:18] <_liquidfire> does enlightment also work for kde ? [05:18] <amu> apokryphos: yeah all is fine, i can build all kind of liveCd's on every arch in max. 30 min. thats cool. I'm the only one :) working on a webgui, user can click and customize his own liveCD with a few clicks and some minutes later he can download his own iso :) [05:18] <_liquidfire> does enlightment also work for kde ? [05:19] <apokryphos> amu: wow! Quite the expert :). [05:19] <apokryphos> amu: where is this webgui? Sounds very interesting. :) [05:20] <amu> apokryphos: guess who make the kubuntu liveCDs :) [05:20] <apokryphos> _liquidfire: it should. You should be able to run alternative window managers with KDE [05:20] <apokryphos> amu: Yup, I remember reading that you were behind them. :P [05:20] <apokryphos> Great things [05:20] <_liquidfire> k [05:21] <amu> apokryphos: yep, also a company is very very interessed in this, it need huge amount of discspace and cpu :) I'll do if i have time left and fun [05:22] <apokryphos> Really grea to here; I hope it goes well. =) [05:22] <apokryphos> I'm tempted to download it even though it's gnome :P [05:22] <amu> the funny thing is the gnome guys also building their liveCd's they fight, invest their time, while i build them in 30min. ;) [05:22] <apokryphos> I'll go for the torrent 8) [05:23] <apokryphos> hehehe, good going [05:23] <_liquidfire> apokryphos: can I choose at the beginning which window manager i want ? [05:23] <_liquidfire> Never have done it before [05:23] <_liquidfire> so [05:23] <apokryphos> _liquidfire: nope; you'll have to set the KWIN variable. Check google for the info [05:24] <_liquidfire> oke [05:24] <_liquidfire> thanks for the info [05:24] <amu> it will be a nice webgui where the user can chose from templates, if you want xfce instead of kde or gnome instead of kde, or firefox as defualt browser with you holidaypic as background and your girlfriend as bootsplash [05:24] <apokryphos> I think it'll be a really big hit [05:24] <apokryphos> can't wait :) [05:24] <amu> well that really rocks, so everyone can build liveCD, for his useage in a very easy way [05:25] <apokryphos> Customization is always good. Very nice. [05:25] <apokryphos> amu: do you think it will happen soon? Or do you have much work now for Breezy etc? [05:26] <_liquidfire> amu one of the devs ? [05:26] <_liquidfire> :o [05:26] <apokryphos> _liquidfire: one of the great ones, yes. :) [05:26] <_liquidfire> hehe [05:27] <_liquidfire> amu, yesterday i had some great option which could be included [05:27] <_liquidfire> but i totally forgot :( [05:28] <_liquidfire> but anyway keep up the great work [05:28] <_liquidfire> its because of kubuntu/ubuntu i switched to Linux [05:28] <_liquidfire> :D [05:29] <amu> apokryphos: guess few weeks after breezy i'll make an public test for it, breezy is too broken at the oment [05:29] <amu> apokryphos: ... i was :) [05:29] <apokryphos> Let us know in here; I'll test it as soon as it's available. [05:29] <apokryphos> brokenbreezy; geh 8) [05:30] <amu> I'm back to real live, there are more important things like irc/chat/linux/gnoppix in my live, they have priority. [05:30] <apokryphos> Definitely. :) [05:31] <amu> apokryphos: sure, i'll let you know [05:31] <apokryphos> thanks! [05:46] <slow-motion> hello [05:47] <_liquidfire> hmm [05:47] <_liquidfire> I just started KDE i tried running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org [05:47] <_liquidfire> What did i do wrong :) [05:49] <amu> probably you choose breezy in your sources.list *ducks* [05:49] <_liquidfire> nope [05:49] <_liquidfire> i installed kde using ubuntu [05:49] <_liquidfire> i.e apt-get kubuntu-desltop [05:50] <amu> started KDE? what does this mean [05:50] <_liquidfire> I meant i just started using it [05:50] <_liquidfire> instead of gnome [05:51] <amu> kdm runs instead of gdm ? [05:51] <_liquidfire> yeah [05:51] <amu> if you login what happens ? [05:51] <_liquidfire> it logs in [05:51] <_liquidfire> :p [05:51] <_liquidfire> i start kde then [05:52] <Nate1> just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf [05:52] <Nate1> heh [05:52] <_liquidfire> well i know [05:52] <amu> than everything is fine :) [05:52] <amu> or not ? [05:52] <_liquidfire> but i want to go trough the autoconfig [05:52] <_liquidfire> because my mouse needs the side buttons enabled :/ [05:52] <Nate1> ah [05:52] <Nate1> 10-4 [05:53] <amu> kubuntu-desktop will not touch the xserver, it must be brocken with your ubuntu installation :D [05:53] <amu> than do what Nate1 said ... [05:54] <Nate1> placing kde on usually causes malfunctions in scripts [05:54] <n0ha> hello [05:54] <n0ha> need some help with apt-get [05:54] <_liquidfire> n0ha: whats up n :) [05:54] <n0ha> when i do apt-get install mozilla-firefox, or whatever, i get 500 internal server error [05:55] <n0ha> i can browse, apt-get update goes fine, but i cannot install anything [05:55] <_liquidfire> are you using amd64 ? [05:55] <n0ha> is something wrong with the sources server? [05:55] <n0ha> nope [05:55] <_liquidfire> then I don't know [05:55] <_liquidfire> everything works fine here [05:55] <_liquidfire> =/ [05:56] <n0ha> :( [05:56] <n0ha> thx anyway [05:57] <_liquidfire> So I cant run a reconfigure or anything Nate1, amu ? [05:57] <Nate1> you ever use smart-upgrade? [05:58] <Nate1> liquidfire [05:58] <_liquidfire> nope [05:58] <_liquidfire> never heard of it either :x [05:58] <Nate1> that would most likely fix the problem.... [05:58] <Nate1> do you have synaptic? [05:58] <_liquidfire> nopew [05:58] <Nate1> apt-get synaptic [05:58] <_liquidfire> can i install it under kde ? [05:59] <Nate1> yes [05:59] <_liquidfire> wait a sec [05:59] <Nate1> aite [05:59] <_liquidfire> ill do it [05:59] <Nate1> you can get it with kynaptic [05:59] <_liquidfire> lol 3 package managers 6_^ [06:00] <_liquidfire> hmm [06:00] <_liquidfire> It seems I cant find it [06:00] <Nate1> they all have their pros and cons [06:00] <Nate1> heh [06:00] <Nate1> it's there in the repositories, keep looking [06:00] <_liquidfire> hmm [06:01] <_liquidfire> do i need to add any extra repos ? [06:01] <tanghus> sudo apt-get install synaptic [06:01] <_liquidfire> i did [06:01] <tanghus> hmm [06:01] <_liquidfire> wierd [06:01] <_liquidfire> now its working [06:02] <_liquidfire> very strange -_- [06:02] <_liquidfire> wells its installed now Nate1 [06:02] <_liquidfire> whats next :D [06:03] <Nate1> now, choose the upgrade all button, and select smart-upgrade [06:03] <Nate1> but don't make smart-upgrade the default [06:03] <_liquidfire> hmm [06:03] <_liquidfire> i can't find it [06:03] <_liquidfire> in the menu [06:07] <Nate1> in synaptic it should just be a button [06:07] <_liquidfire> no i mean [06:07] <_liquidfire> I can't find synaptic [06:08] <_liquidfire> nevermind [06:08] <_liquidfire> i'm such a noob [06:08] <_liquidfire> i typed syntapic [06:08] <_liquidfire> omg [06:09] <_liquidfire> i did smart update Nate1 but it isn't showing up any buttons [06:09] <_liquidfire> like apply [06:09] <_liquidfire> Oo [06:11] <Nate1> yeah, apply it [06:11] <_liquidfire> well i cant [06:11] <_liquidfire> lol [06:11] <_liquidfire> its greyed out [06:11] <_liquidfire> i don't see any packages under upgradable either [06:12] <_liquidfire> nevermind i got it working [06:12] <_liquidfire> i looked at xserver [06:13] <_liquidfire> somebody forgot to mention "xorg" as the last word on his site [06:13] <_liquidfire> thanks for you time Nate1 :) [06:13] <Nate1> haha [06:13] <Nate1> you're welcome [06:17] <pussfeller> whats with gwenview not seeing rars adn cbrs [06:19] <apokryphos> n0ha: what's the error? [06:32] <mihai> hello [06:36] <spiral> hu [06:36] <spiral> hi [06:38] <n0ha> apokryphos: 500 internal server error [06:39] <apokryphos> hm, that's not a client-side error [06:39] <apokryphos> n0ha: what mirror are you using? [06:39] <n0ha> apokryphos: http://archive.ubuntu.com [06:40] <apokryphos> and on Hoary? Odd. Do you want to retry doing it now? [06:40] <apokryphos> sudo apt-get update first [06:40] <n0ha> after installation, it was set to sk.archive.ubuntu.com (i'm from slovakia), but then i tried us.archive.ubunut.com and archive.ubuntu.com without success [06:40] <n0ha> i did that [06:41] <n0ha> i tried apt-get clean, then apt-get update [06:41] <apokryphos> you should use the one closest to you [06:41] <n0ha> i know, but i get the same result, whatever mirror i try [06:41] <apokryphos> is it for just that package or all packages? [06:41] <n0ha> all packages [06:42] <veraz> hi everyone ! [06:42] <apokryphos> n0ha: apt-get update gives no errors? [06:42] <apokryphos> hi veraz! [06:42] <n0ha> now i tried apt-get --print-uris install mozilla-firefox [06:42] <n0ha> apokryphos: no, no errors [06:42] <veraz> i have few questions , first how i can install fixedsys fonts(i really like them) ... \ [06:42] <n0ha> when i manually start to download the .deb i want, it works for me [06:42] <apokryphos> :/ [06:43] <n0ha> apokryphos: can i debug somehow the apt-get download process? [06:43] <n0ha> to see the headers it sends? [06:44] <apokryphos> Not any way I know of; generally the error output is enough. Man page may help [06:44] <apokryphos> if you don't resolve this you should try asking in #ubuntu [06:44] <n0ha> i tried:) [06:45] <n0ha> no success at all:( [06:45] <apokryphos> n0ha: thing I guess you could try for now is to update your apt [06:45] <apokryphos> actually a pretty simple way to do it; you can use adept, which will bring in newer version of aptitude [06:45] <apokryphos> can see if the problem persists [06:46] <apokryphos> also, if you don't get answers in #ubuntu, it's worth trying later; the same people aren't always in :) [06:47] <n0ha> apokryphos: adept should be installed by default? [06:47] <apokryphos> No. See /topic [06:48] <veraz> second, iv ran the pppoeconf utility,and set up a pppoe connection but now every time i connect to the net my /etc/resolv.conf file gets empty (my internal architechture is : my puter 10.0.0.1 and my ADSL modem is 10.0.0.138) and i cant use DNS ! :) anyone with a solution ? [06:48] <n0ha> apokryphos: thx [06:50] <veraz> anyone ? [06:53] <apokryphos> veraz: fonts can be installed from KControl [06:54] <nikkia> apokryphos: i always found konqueror to be an easier way to install fonts [06:55] <apokryphos> either way [07:04] <slow-motion> i have installed superkaramba and the weather plugin, but the plugin does not show any data. how can i configure it? [07:04] <apokryphos> slow-motion: right-click -> configure theme [07:04] <apokryphos> if it's not showing then the most likely scenario is: you don't have the latest version of SK [07:05] <apokryphos> Erm, JRE pack has been removed from hoary-extras. Great. :/ [07:06] <slow-motion> slow-motion: right-click -> configure theme < where? on the sk icon or on the area on the screen where the theme shall be but does not appear [07:06] <apokryphos> slow-motion: what version of SK are you running? superkaramba --version [07:07] <apokryphos> where the theme should be [07:07] <jpatrick> slow-motion: download the lastest superkaramba verison and compile and install it [07:07] <slow-motion> Qt: 3.3.3 [07:07] <slow-motion> KDE: 3.4.2 [07:07] <slow-motion> superkaramba: 0.36 [07:07] <apokryphos> where the theme *is*; it still runs even if it doesn't display, unless it hasn't crashed (unlikely) [07:07] <jpatrick> the lastest is 0.37 [07:07] <apokryphos> unles you got an old version of SK, you cannot run Liquid Weather on that version [07:08] <apokryphos> erm, bad phrasing [07:08] <jpatrick> Compile the lastest one [07:08] <slow-motion> jpatrick so you want to tell me what compiler i should take and how do i compile it. step by step? [07:08] <apokryphos> slow-motion: very easy [07:08] <jpatrick> yeah download the source [07:08] <jpatrick> ./configure [07:08] <jpatrick> make [07:08] <jpatrick> make install [07:08] <jpatrick> :p [07:08] <_frank> untar [07:08] <jpatrick> whatever [07:09] <_frank> ;) [07:09] <slow-motion> jpatrick that is the same i know [07:09] <slow-motion> but i wont install a compiler [07:09] <apokryphos> ./configure --prefix=/usr [07:09] <slow-motion> i want to run it without [07:09] <jpatrick> shame :p [07:09] <apokryphos> you will likely ineed to install kde-devel and libx11-dev packs [07:10] <jpatrick> and g++ [07:10] <apokryphos> won't install a compiler :/ [07:10] <pax> _frank comment ca roule chez vous mon ami :)
 slow-motion: right-click -> configure theme < nothing found like it [07:10] <apokryphos> slow-motion: you're not clicking on the theme then [07:10] <_frank> pax: ca va mais je doit partir [07:10] <apokryphos> slow-motion: anyhow, that's nto going to work. [07:10] <pax> ok :) [07:10] <jpatrick> he won't get very far without a compiler [07:11] <jpatrick> :/ [07:11] <apokryphos> Funny how changing the "Feedback" thing in KControl makes your system seem faster :P [07:11] <slow-motion> jpatrick my system is running without a compiler [07:11] <slow-motion> i need a kernel but no compiler [07:13] <jpatrick> they're small little programs [07:14] <pax> .. but kubuntu is like linux, isn't it? [07:15] <OculusAquilae> pax: it IS a linux ditribution [07:15] <pax> it doesn't say linux, it says for human beings tho [07:15] <apokryphos> humanoids [07:16] <jpatrick> it says "Linux for human beings" [07:16] <slow-motion> if i want to compile everything i have, then i install gentoo [07:16] <jpatrick> apokryphos: where's the feedback thing? [07:16] <jpatrick> slow-motion: you don't have to compile everything [07:16] <apokryphos> jpatrick: Appearance & Themes -> Launch Feedback [07:17] <slow-motion> the menu pointt configure theme is there, but it is gray [07:17] <jpatrick> slow-motion: Is that the lastest Liquid Weather? [07:18] <slow-motion> it is the latest [07:18] <apokryphos> which is the problem [07:18] <apokryphos> the latest Liquid Weather requires the latest SK [07:18] <jpatrick> I quote [07:18] <pax> what's wrong with kweather? [07:19] <jpatrick> "VERSIONS >= 7.0 REQUIRE SUPERKARAMBA V0.37" [07:19] <apokryphos> pax: it's small and ugly [07:19] <apokryphos> and gets in the way [07:19] <jpatrick> from it's KDE-Look page [07:19] <pax> I see [07:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: in fairness, it also doesn't use 170% of the CPU time available :P [07:23] <jpatrick> nikkia: kweather takes up more CPU here [07:23] <pax> seems to be working fine with superkaramba 0.35 here [07:24] <pax> all those eye-candy suckers eat resources [07:24] <apokryphos> nikkia: Liquid Weather takes up little CPU, really, against popular belief :P. It doesn't run processes every few seconds [07:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: took up a lot when i ran it [07:24] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Speaking of superkaramba, why does it need xmms? [07:25] <apokryphos> It has some "ingrained" xmms features [07:25] <jpatrick> some themes use xmms [07:25] <jpatrick> i don't like that... [07:25] <pax> I think superkaramba will be included in KDE 3.5 by default [07:25] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Me neither. I want xmms off my computer, but I want to keep superkaramba [07:25] <jpatrick> it's part of Plasma [07:26] <apokryphos> pax: no; it will be in Extragear [07:26] <jpatrick> http://plasma.kde.org/ [07:28] <pax> apokryphos: really, they should've integrated this thingy is ksysguard [07:28] <nikkia> wow [07:28] <nikkia> i wondered why my web was slow.... [07:29] <apokryphos> pax: why? [07:29] <nikkia> az is getting 650KB/s on a torrent :) [07:29] <apokryphos> nice [07:29] <pax> apokryphos: well, gives some eye-candy cpu/mem usage etc.. [07:29] <apokryphos> don't think I've ever reached that (with a torrent) [07:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: private site, always get great rates [07:29] <pax> sitting on a nice pipe there nikkia :) [07:30] <nikkia> apokryphos: my experience with BT is, the more 'open' the source, the less download rate you'll get [07:30] <nikkia> apokryphos: a site of 10 people == uber fast [07:30] <apokryphos> pax: Or with the words of Monsieur Gagne "Don't merely monitor your system logs-give your system stats displays a certain je ne sais quoi with GUI tools." [07:30] <nikkia> pax, 8Mbps DSL, same as apokryphos [07:30] <pax> wow DSL, not even cable! [07:30] <nikkia> altho i AM a little annoyed that NTL announced 35Mbps cable a day after my DSL was switched on [07:31] <apokryphos> nikkia: heh, probably quite true. I still rarely reach more than 200 Kb/s for films [07:31] <apokryphos> nikkia: they w-h-a-t? [07:31] <pax> apokryphos: I lost you, is that french? [07:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: next year, they're gonna offer 35Mbps [07:31] <apokryphos> pax: heh, yeah; from a Dot article [07:31] <apokryphos> http://dot.kde.org/1083361714/ [07:31] <apokryphos> nikkia: that's insane [07:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: apparently, aiming to hit 100Mbps by the end of 2007 [07:31] <apokryphos> our contract will end just in time. :P [07:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: contract? [07:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm on a month by month contract [07:32] <apokryphos> nikkia: ours only came cheap if you went in for a year, IIRC. [07:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: its the one thing that made me feel a bit comforted when i read all the horror stories [07:33] <apokryphos> heh [07:33] <_joe> hello kubuntu users [07:33] <apokryphos> any real complaints since? [07:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: not really [07:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: i've had some strange situations where BT suddenly 'stopped working', and it looked like i was being port blocked [07:33] <_joe> anyone seen google earth [07:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: but i've put that down to the modem being a bit 'weird' [07:34] <_joe> how do i get it to work on linux [07:34] <_joe> i mean kubuntu [07:34] <nikkia> joe, yeah, i even saw it when it was called keyhole :P [07:34] <apokryphos> nikkia: I'd think that first :P [07:34] <nikkia> joe, cedega might run it [07:34] <_joe> cedega [07:34] <nikkia> joe, but its a D3D app, always was, and the D3D support in regular wine is probably too shakey [07:35] <_joe> my apologies i'm new to Kubuntu as an OS and even newer to Linux [07:35] <nikkia> joe, cedega is a commercial version of wine (a program that lets you run windows programs on linux) [07:35] <nikkia> its $15/month, but it runs game-like software a lot better than wine does [07:36] <_joe> ohhh...................i see, so google earth can't be run on my pc as is then [07:36] <nikkia> or is it $15/3mo, i forget [07:36] <nikkia> joe, no [07:36] <nikkia> you could TRY and install wine (its in the repositories), it MIGHT run, but i wouldn't put money on it [07:36] <_joe> lol [07:37] <_joe> its a bit of a struggle installing stuff haven't quite got the hang of it yet [07:37] <nikkia> ah, yes, $5/mo in 3month chunks [07:38] <_joe> i think i've barely managed to update the OS [07:39] <nikkia> tbh, cedega is probably worth it, if you play games at all [07:39] <_liquidfire> can somebody help me a sec howdo i compile/unpack tar [07:40] <_liquidfire> i want to install an external program [07:42] <amu> compile/unpack tar? [07:43] <_joe> nah, play games on PS2 [07:43] <_liquidfire> wlel [07:43] <amu> GT4 [07:43] <_liquidfire> unpack it and then compile [07:43] <_joe> My PC is pretty basic [07:43] <DocTomoe> Is there a way to save a html file with all its images in konqueror? savinf the file only saves the hypertext, not the linked images. [07:43] <_liquidfire> i want to install bittornado [07:43] <amu> GT4 rocks on PS2 [07:44] <_joe> are there any other multimedia players like Kaffeine out there, i'm looking for an alternative player to use in playing [07:44] <apokryphos> pax: my mistake, SK is actually going into kdeutils, despite a lot suggesting Extragear [07:44] <_liquidfire> _joe: [07:44] <_liquidfire> videolan [07:44] <DocTomoe> _joe: Have you tried vlc? [07:44] <_liquidfire> :o [07:44] <_liquidfire> its great =] [07:44] <_joe> no [07:44] <_liquidfire> but could anybody help me a sec :> [07:44] <_joe> never heard of it [07:44] <_liquidfire> http://www.bittornado.com/download.html i have no clue howto install [07:44] <_joe> sorry LiquidFIre [07:44] <_liquidfire> a tar.gz file [07:44] <amu> _liquidfire: tar -xzvf extract the tar archive [07:45] <_joe> I'm not much good at linux stuff very much a beginner [07:45] <DocTomoe> _liquidfire: try apt-get install bittornado ;) [07:45] <_joe> i tend to stumble round [07:45] <_liquidfire> ah lol [07:45] <_liquidfire> i used dpkg [07:45] <_liquidfire> but thats debian depackage right amu [07:45] <_liquidfire> :o [07:45] <_joe> where do i get vlc and is it easy to install [07:45] <_liquidfire> yea [07:45] <apokryphos> !info vlc [07:45] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB [07:46] <_joe> i think the only command i know is apt-get and apt install [07:46] <DocTomoe> _joe: sudo apt-get install vlc [07:46] <_liquidfire> _joe: [07:46] <_liquidfire> you need to edit your sources.list [07:46] <_liquidfire> open a terminal [07:46] <_liquidfire> type kate /etc/apt/source.list [07:46] <pax> apokryphos: that's what I thought, seen that in some review. I dunno mate, it's a nice add-on for people who don't care about cpu/mem usage, but on the other hand, KDE is bloated enough as it is. [07:46] <_joe> editting the source list i've done only once [07:46] <_liquidfire> then unmark all the # servers [07:46] <_liquidfire> ok [07:47] <_liquidfire> you can search vlc with apt-cache search vlc [07:47] <_joe> ok [07:47] <mig> I was told tha kubuntu would not run on the original iMac, it is true? [07:47] <_liquidfire> and then install vlc [07:47] <_joe> cool [07:47] <apokryphos> pax: I don't think it's that bloated, really. How big is the whole of kde? [07:47] <_joe> i'll give that a try [07:47] <_joe> thanks for that [07:47] <_liquidfire> with sudo apt-get install vlc name [07:47] <_liquidfire> no problem [07:47] <_joe> sorry can't be of much help [07:49] <pax> apokryphos: it is bloated compering to Gnome (which runs faster on older boxes btw), don't get me wrong I'm a KDE user, but gotta say it as it is. [07:50] <apokryphos> pax: we have a lame lappy here, with gnome and kde, and I don't see any difference in speed [07:50] <apokryphos> I think the term bloated is badly misused [07:50] <apokryphos> more featureful != more bloated [07:51] <_liquidfire> hmm amu its giving me some errors [07:51] <_liquidfire> it says no such file or directory [07:51] <_liquidfire> but i typed the first letters [07:51] <_liquidfire> and then tabbed [07:51] <_liquidfire> for full name [08:01] <_StarScream> hi guys anyone here with a powerbook or ibook? [08:03] <buz> is there a breezy install cd? [08:04] <apokryphos> buz: yes; cdimage.ubuntu.com [08:04] <buz> thx [08:04] <buz> gonna try installing it in vmware [08:05] <buz> can i install from livecd? [08:05] <apokryphos> nope [08:06] <buz> same procedure as last year, then [08:07] <buz> hopefully not same procedure as every year [08:08] <hussam> something happened and now when I do sudo something, I get sudo: must be setuid root [08:08] <hussam> what do I do? [08:08] <buz> sudo lost suid bit maybe= [08:08] <hussam> how should I fix that? [08:08] <buz> chmod 6555 sudo [08:09] <hussam> ok I did su then entered root password, now I do chmod 6555 sudo? [08:09] <buz> yeah werever sudo lives ;) [08:10] <buz> try ls -l sudo first [08:10] <hussam> ls: sudo: No such file or directory [08:10] <Ex-Cyber> er... which sudo ? [08:11] <buz> /usr/bin/sudo [08:11] <hussam> buz: so I do chmod 6555 /usr/bin/sudo ? [08:12] <buz> yeah but try ls -l first [08:12] <hussam> as root? [08:12] <buz> what perms has it got? [08:12] <buz> yes [08:12] <buz> only root can set stuff suid root ;) [08:13] <hussam> buz: ls -l /usr/bin/sudo resturned: -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 95288 Jun 21 15:46 /usr/bin/sudo [08:13] <hussam> now I do chmod 6555 /usr/bin/sudo ? [08:13] <buz> yeah it should be -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 95288 2005-06-21 14:46 /usr/bin/sudo [08:13] <buz> yes [08:13] <buz> after that it should work [08:14] <hussam> buz: thank you. that did it [08:14] <hussam> buz: how do I check if other files in /usr/bin that might have wrong permissions? [08:15] <buz> no idea [08:15] <buz> youd have to have a list of proper perms first ;) [08:15] <hussam> ah ok I see [08:18] <hussam> buz: you knows the text that appears while booting when stuff is loading? Is it logged so I can review it? [08:23] <Taker> Anyone from Austria here? [08:23] <Taker> Please querry [08:23] <_StarScream> Taker: nope why Austria ? [08:24] <Taker> I've got a question to the default dsl-protocoll pptp. [08:27] <_StarScream> http://www.shorewall.net/PPTP.htm [08:27] <Taker> Thank you _StarScream [08:27] <_StarScream> np [08:28] <Taker> _StarScream: Does DSL in Austria require mppe-encryption? [08:29] <_joe> hi [08:29] <_joe> i've just installed VLC [08:29] <Taker> hi _joe [08:29] <_joe> I can play mp3 files [08:29] <_joe> but not AVI [08:29] <_StarScream> Taker: i don't know what that is sorry [08:30] <_joe> any clues as to why the application VLC simply closes itself down whenever i try [08:31] <_StarScream> Taker: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=773&max_rows=25&style=nested&viewmonth=200504 [08:31] <_StarScream> try that [08:31] <_StarScream> and search for austria [08:31] <_StarScream> it MAY help [08:32] <_StarScream> Taker: btw, which part of Austria are you in? saw on the news about the floods [08:32] <_StarScream> is it as bad there as in switzerland? [08:33] <Taker> _StarScream: I'm not from Austria. [08:33] <_StarScream> ah..sorry, just assumed from the austrian question.. [08:38] <frogtone25> hello [08:38] <frogtone25> i need to know if there is a theme package that i can get off of synaptic that is like mac os x panther [08:39] <frogtone25> and i think that i need to add a repository to get it [08:39] <frogtone25> but i dont know what that is [08:39] <frogtone25> can someone please help me [08:39] <hussam> Help, when I do locate something, I get /var/lib/slocate.db: permission denied [08:40] <hussam> anybody? [08:41] <hussam> I'm doing updatedb again to check [08:46] <hussam> buz: you there? [08:47] <buz> yes [08:47] <buz> wondering why my drives push only 15mb/s with dma active [08:48] <hussam> buz: another problem, when I do locate something, I get ocate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: Permission denied [08:48] <buz> mhh no idea what perms it needs [08:50] <tvo> hussam, -rw-r----- 1 root slocate 1608993 2005-08-24 15:49 slocate.db [08:50] <tvo> in /var/lib/slocate [08:51] <troglodyt> sudo updatedb should do it [08:52] <hussam> tvo: how do I change to those permissions, I'll do sudo updatedb first though [08:52] <tvo> k [08:52] <hussam> I'm doing updatedb now, it just takes some time I guess [08:52] <tvo> yup [08:53] <hussam> the problem is that I tried a deb for an experimental program my friend is writing and I think it ruined some permissions in /usr/bin and /usr/lib [08:54] <hussam> so far I have had to fix sudo and now updatedb [08:55] <tvo> send me the deb and i'll take a look [08:56] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Er, what deb package contains subversion? [08:57] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Whoops, nevermind [08:57] <hussam> tvo: updatedb give error updatedb: create_db(): chdir: No such file or directory [08:58] <tvo> hussam, hmm maybe /var/lib/slocate doesn't exist [08:58] <Tm_T> humm [08:58] <hussam> /var/lib/slocate exists [08:58] <hussam> also /var/lib/slocate is empty [09:00] <hussam> what should I do? [09:01] <tvo> hussam, try: sudo /etc/cron.daily/slocate [09:01] <tvo> instead of sudo updatedb [09:01] <hussam> ok [09:05] <ray_> you guys alive? [09:05] <hussam> tvo: thanks sudo /etc/cron.daily/slocate did it [09:06] <tvo> hussam, cool :-) [09:07] <hussam> tvo: probably some other stuff are broken too, but this is what I ran across so far [09:08] <tvo> hussam, if you're pretty sure that deb did it, i can take a look to see why [09:08] <tvo> and tell you about other problems :) [09:10] <hussam> the thing is that I delete it, but I'll tell the person to email it to me again [09:19] <ray_> anyone connect to aol in here [09:45] <brk3> is there a way to make kynaptic forget about broken packages etc? cause at the moment i cant install anything without havin to remove some vital packages that are apparantly 'broken'.. [10:04] <_liquidfire> I just installed abc-bittorent client with the deb package [10:04] <_liquidfire> Where can I find where he installed the program [10:04] <_liquidfire> It doesn't appear in any menu listing [10:06] <Tm_T> run it from console? [10:07] <_liquidfire> i tried [10:07] <_liquidfire> but i don't know what command [10:08] <Tm_T> abc-<tab> [10:08] <Tm_T> ? [10:08] <Tm_T> I mean, use tab to autocomplete =) [10:08] <_liquidfire> hmm wierd [10:08] <_liquidfire> it doesn't do anything [10:09] <Tm_T> humm [10:09] <Tm_T> hit twice [10:09] <_liquidfire> nope [10:09] <_liquidfire> =/ [10:09] <Tm_T> or just abc<tab> [10:09] <_liquidfire> same [10:09] <_liquidfire> i don't see it in my hidden files either [10:09] <Tm_T> um [10:10] <_liquidfire> any idea where he may put it [10:10] <jpowers> xorg is taking up 200megs of ram...is this normal? [10:18] <ray_> umm [10:19] <ray_> mine is only taking up 60 megs [10:19] <buz> 7808 root 15 0 248m 84m 2664 S 2.0 9.6 12:47.06 Xorg [10:20] <ray_> jpowers: how much ram you got? [10:20] <jpowers> 1 gig [10:20] <ray_> jpowers: so you got enough [10:21] <jpowers> I have enough as long as I don't use the computer for anything really ram intensive. [10:21] <jpowers> pan eats ram like nobody's business [10:29] <Mustafa^^> Hi, I couldn't remove Lale (Lale is a Turkish-English Dictionary) [10:29] <Mustafa^^> http://paste.linux-sevenler.org/goster.php?no=917 [10:37] <Mustafa^^> Are u sleeping?!?!? :D [10:37] <buz> is ubuntuforums slashdotted? [10:37] <buz> i admit it, i wanted to test e17 :( [10:43] <apokryphos> buz: you can use the nooms repo, can't you? [10:45] <buz> nooms? [10:45] <apokryphos> !e [10:45] <ubotu> Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work; install: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46105 Repo: deb http://ubuntu.nooms.de/ hoary [10:46] <buz> will that destroy kubuntu-desktop? [10:46] <apokryphos> I don't see why [10:51] <GameCat> hi [10:51] <GameCat> can anyone point me to an apache tutorial for setting up https:// on kubuntu? <-- apache n00b [10:53] <Taker> Doest anyone want to play a round kwin4 over the internet with me? [11:32] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Erm, how would I go about writing a script that goes to a specific directory, runs a command and then goes into background? [12:02] <herbaz> hello guys [12:03] <herbaz> i'm really new in linux , i have just one Q how can i install Firefox really it's make me feel sick :S [12:04] <herbaz> :D ? [12:04] <Tm_T> in console: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox [12:04] <Tm_T> got it? [12:04] <herbaz> thanks pal , i tryied [12:05] <herbaz> Building dependency tree... Done [12:05] <herbaz> Package mozilla-firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package. [12:05] <herbaz> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or [12:05] <herbaz> is only available from another source [12:05] <herbaz> E: Package mozilla-firefox has no installation candidate [12:05] <Tm_T> ?

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2005-08-21-#ubuntu-meeting

[09:29] <ploum> Which it is currently in UTC ? [09:32] <robitaille> date -u [09:32] <robitaille> Tue Aug 16 07:32:19 UTC 2005 [09:32] <ploum> robitaille, thx :-) [01:45] <Virtuall> is 12:00 UTC after 15 mins or am I wrong? :) [01:45] <ondrej> mm all [01:45] <ajmitch> hi ondrej [01:46] <ploum> Virtuall : it is 11h45 UTC, AFAIK [01:46] <Virtuall> good then [01:46] <Virtuall> :) [01:53] <Nafallo> yay swedes! :-) [01:55] <jjesse> is this the community meeting? [01:56] <Seveas> jjesse, it will be in 5 minutes [01:56] <Mitario> it's due to begin in 5 minutes :) [01:56] <Nafallo> jjesse: in 5 minuted it should be :-) [01:56] <jjesse> i just didn't want to miss it like i did the other ones :( [01:56] <rbelem> Nafallo, ogra: hey... [01:56] <Nafallo> rbelem: morning :-) [01:56] <minux> So, I may be in here if I shut up? [01:56] <Seveas> sure [01:56] <ogra> hey rbelem [01:56] <rbelem> Nafallo, morning ,-) [01:57] <minux> Seveas: :) [01:57] <Nafallo> rbelem: ahh, nice! starting a team already :-D [01:57] <rbelem> ogra, morning :-) [01:57] <ogra> doesnt look like we have any CC member here [01:57] <Mithrandir> heh [01:57] <ogra> which is bad if new memebers shall get approval [01:57] <gothcat> *lol* [01:57] <Seveas> it'll be a short meeting then :) [01:58] <rob^> which meeting is it? [01:58] <Seveas> CC [01:58] <mako> greetings everyone [01:58] <ogra> rob^, CC [01:58] <Seveas> welcome mako [01:58] <ajmitch> hi mako [01:58] <\sh> hey mako [01:58] <rob^> k [01:58] <Seveas> that's one - only 3 to go :) [01:58] <ajmitch> ogra: how many CC members are needed? [01:58] <ogra> 3 [01:58] <Seveas> ajmitch, min. 3 to get a majority [01:58] <rbelem> Nafallo, a team? [01:58] <ajmitch> right.. [01:58] <mako> it shouldn't be hard to get the others [01:59] <ondrej> hi seb128, hi mako [01:59] <Simira> oi [01:59] <Seveas> hi Simira [01:59] <Nafallo> rbelem: BrazilTeam, you _are_ RodrigoBelem, right? :-) [01:59] <Simira> I accidentally made a cc-meeting! [01:59] <seb128> Hi ondrej [01:59] <rbelem> Nafallo, yeah ;) [01:59] <Seveas> Simira, no it's already over [01:59] <Nafallo> Simira: hehe, *hug* [01:59] <gothcat> Simira: hi!
 [01:59] <Simira> Seveas : hey, I know the clock, you know :p [01:59] <rbelem> Nafallo, Ian Lawrence and me started the team [01:59] <Simira> but I can go have lunch instead... [02:00] <rbelem> Nafallo, he gone to ubuntu conf in spain [02:01] <Seveas> 14:00 sharp now [02:01] <Seveas> Hello everybody, the CC meeting will start in a few minutes. All member candidates please prepare a 3 line intro about what you did for Ubuntu so far, what your plans are and what your vision for Ubuntu is. Everybody who has an item in the agenda (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda) also prese prepare what you want to say in a few lines and wait for your turn. Please remember to stay on-topic and to take other discussion [02:01] <Seveas> s to other channels. \end{publicserviceannouncement} [02:01] <rob^> Seveas, is it too late now? [02:01] <Seveas> s/prese/please/ (/me gets coffee too) [02:01] <Seveas> rob^, just wait, the meeting will start as soon as the CC members are here [02:02] <rob^> Seveas, to nominte for membership [02:02] <Seveas> the agenda should no longer be changed now [02:02] <ogra> Seveas, ah, come on [02:03] <ogra> i think its ok as long as the meeting didnt start [02:03] <Seveas> true [02:03] <mako> yeah, it's fine [02:03] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MoritzBreit [02:03] <ogra> impressive [02:03] <ajmitch> mako: I hope it's decent coffee then [02:03] <mbreit> orga: thanks! ;) [02:03] <ogra> :) [02:04] <ajmitch> mbreit: nice wiki page :) [02:04] <mbreit> ajmitch: thanks [02:04] <rob^> done [02:05] <\sh> hmmm... [02:05] <siretart> hi :) [02:05] <mako> ajmitch: a moka [02:05] <mvo> mbreit: pingus? *yum* [02:07] <mbreit> mvo: fixed gcc4 issues... so it works again in breezy [02:07] <mvo> mbreit: great! /me likes pingus [02:08] <Seveas> (said like a true pingu) [02:09] <\sh> hmm...need a quick smoke... [02:11] <Seveas> does ho smoke such bad cigars? [02:12] <ogra> heh... the cheap ones... [02:12] <Treenaks> Seveas: Look to the southeast.. you might see him too [02:12] <Seveas> Treenaks, I;m looking to the east and see smoke, what are you doing? ;) [02:12] <Seveas> s/east/west/ [02:13] <Treenaks> Seveas: So that's where the barbecue smell is coming from... [02:14] <rob^> mmm doritos and coffee [02:14] <Seveas> hmm, barbecue [02:15] <rob^> geek staple diet [02:17] <Seveas> 16 minutes now, about the normal delay for a CC meeting :) [02:17] <Treenaks> :P [02:17] <\sh> back [02:17] <Seveas> wb [02:17] <ondrej> normal delay for _every_ meeting :) [02:17] <Seveas> nah [02:17] <Seveas> normal *duration* for TB meetings :) [02:17] <Virtuall> : [02:17] <ploum> How long are CC meetings generaly ? (just to plan my afternoon) [02:18] <rob^> we normally just go, not so formal the docteam [02:18] <Treenaks> ploum: they take until the next meeting is scheduled ;) [02:18] <Seveas> I once wanted to watch a TB meeting and was 8 minutes late. The meeting was over by then :) [02:18] <Lathiat> haha Seveas [02:18] <Seveas> ploum, 2 hours [02:18] <Nafallo> ploum: lot's of stuff on the agenda, dunno :-) [02:18] <Seveas> (at least) [02:18] <ploum> Thkx for your replies ... [02:19] <Seveas> That's why I always do the public service announcement, if everyone is prepared it can save a lot of time [02:19] <ploum> Seveas, it's a good idea. I just did it and typed my intro [02:19] <mako> ogra: ok.. you pinged the others, right? [02:20] <ogra> yup, others pinged them here too [02:20] <ogra> no reaction so far [02:20] <mako> ok.. [02:20] <mako> did anyone call or sms the others? [02:20] <Seveas> I sent out a message in #u-d to elmo/sabdfl [02:20] <ogra> nope [02:20] <Seveas> no response [02:20] <mako> ok.. so kamion is not going ot make it [02:21] <Nafallo> mako: do we need to decide anything on the LoCo teams? I know JennyLw can't stay after 14 UTC. [02:21] <ajmitch> I think that kamion won't be worrying about ubuntu stuff for awhile yet :) [02:21] <mako> Nafallo: locos don't need a vote [02:21] <mako> yeah, kamion is on his honeymoon right no so asking him to show up might be a bad move [02:21] <rob^> yes [02:21] <mako> i'll sms the other two [02:21] <Seveas> sort-of :) [02:22] <\sh> honeymoon? [02:22] <Nafallo> mako: we actually could process them and people start pinging/calling/mailing/kidnapping those not here? ;-) [02:22] <mako> \sh: he got married 3 days ago [02:22] <hno73> The SFD LoCo point I put on the agenda probably doesn't need any vote. It was just to raise awarenes of it [02:23] <\sh> mako: ok...I'll bet in 7 years and 364 days he will be available for ubuntu again *eg* [02:23] <Nafallo> and we should have stand-ins for those on vacation in the future ;-) [02:23] <hno73> Ithought the CC might make a statement for recomended involvement or something [02:24] <mako> i mean, dudes [02:24] <mako> this is the hard time for *me* [02:24] <Seveas> hno73, good point, I'm also interested in what other loco's are doing [02:24] <Seveas> mako, 6am? [02:24] <\sh> mako: marrie :) [02:24] <mako> 7 [02:24] <mako> it's not impossible [02:24] <Seveas> ouch :) [02:24] <mako> it's like 4am :) [02:24] <mako> it's *not* like 4am [02:24] <mako> that would be tough [02:25] <mako> i smsed elmo and mark [02:25] <Seveas> otherwise I would not be here :) [02:25] <\sh> mako: come on...U don't have to listen right now to "we shall overcome" or "kumbayah my lord" the whole night like I do [02:25] <Seveas> \sh, rofl! [02:25] <jjesse> grin its easy when it is 8am :) [02:26] <jjesse> just starting wor [02:28] <ploum> I think I would have prefered 7AM... [02:28] <ploum> It's 2PM for me and it is the first sunny afternoon in two months !!! [02:28] <mako> ploum: i'm moving out in a couple weeks if you want my apt :) [02:28] <mako> i am wearing a sweatshirt for the first time in 2.5 weeks [02:28] <mako> it's actually cold [02:28] <mako> not 40 degrees :) [02:28] <gothcat> mako: can't we start with the locos soon?? I'm contactperson for the sewdich team but I have to go 14 UTC.. [02:29] <Nafallo> swedish :-) [02:29] <hno73> Svensker ... [02:29] <ploum> mako : I just finish my hacky teleporter and I'm there [02:29] <Nafallo> hno73: ey! that's norweigan? ;-) [02:29] <hno73> :) [02:30] <mako> ok.. sabdfl is apparently home sick [02:30] <mako> so maybe we're going to have to put this off for a week [02:30] <mako> we're tryint to find out elmo's status [02:30] <Seveas> We can handle the non-vote items [02:30] <mako> yes [02:30] <Nafallo> ouch [02:30] <mako> we can [02:30] <Nafallo> Seveas++ [02:30] <Seveas> I'll write a wrap-up for the people who were unable to attend [02:30] <mako> gothcat: we're trying to find the council :) [02:30] <Nafallo> LoCo + LoCo SDF :-) [02:30] <mako> Seveas: that would be great :) [02:31] <Nafallo> hmm, my ping to sabdfl will probably not me answered in a while then ;-) [02:31] <Seveas> about the agenda: 2 items are marked as possible agenda leftovers [02:31] <gothcat> mako: I know but I'm geting worried :) [02:31] <Nafallo> mako: I'll talk to you after the meeting about some stuff then :-) [02:31] <Seveas> please check the agenda, if this is incorrect, tell me :) [02:31] <mako> ok [02:31] <ploum> That sounds like a Hollywood movie : [02:31] <mako> elmo is probably not going to make it [02:31] <mako> his phone is diverting to voicemail [02:31] <ploum> Indiana Mako and the lost Council [02:31] <mako> so it's me [02:32] <Nafallo> LOL [02:32] <Seveas> ploum, that's going in my .signature :) [02:32] <Seveas> ok, shall we start then? [02:32] <gothcat> yes! [02:33] <Nafallo> that name will follow mako forever ;-) [02:33] <mako> just hold up [02:33] <mako> someone at the office is talking to mark now [02:33] <Seveas> ok [02:33] <mako> but i'm telling him it will be fine without him since we can't vote without elmo anyway [02:33] <mako> and there's no reason to abuse his sick body unless he really wants to :) [02:33] <Seveas> well, mark can give a desicive vote in case of a hung jury [02:34] <Seveas> so you+mark would be a majority [02:34] <mako> mark will show up [02:34] <Seveas> (I agree to the not abusing his sick body though) [02:34] <mako> we've never actually had a meeting with 2 people [02:34] <ploum> mako, that's not called a meeting but "a date" [02:35] <Virtuall> :D [02:35] <mako> i've never been very comfortable with the 2-person CC meeting [02:35] <mako> but it's certainly better than the 1 person meeting [02:35] <Nafallo> mako: let sabdfl put Seveas as Kamion's standin? :-) [02:36] <ploum> Two is the number you shall count. Not three, not one, except before the two ! [02:36] <ploum> The Holy Hand Council.. [02:36] <ozamosi> five is totaly of [02:37] <ajmitch> Nafallo: adding a replacement/new member would probably take at least the whole council :) [02:37] <ajmitch> if not a vote from ubuntu members [02:37] <Nafallo> ajmitch: so a "Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life" would not suffice? ;-) [02:37] <ajmitch> Nafallo: I believe he doesn't want to dictate to that degree :) [02:37] <Nafallo> hehe [02:37] <Seveas> Nafallo, it might cause another ubuntu-spatial-nautilus-like discussion/debacle :) [02:38] <Nafallo> lol [02:38] <ajmitch> Nafallo: the page says appointments are made by sabdfl, subject to confirmation by maintainer vote [02:39] <Nafallo> oki [02:39] <Nafallo> smurfix: that might be SwedishTeam then ;-) [02:39] <mako> smurfix: ok.. lets move ahead since we don't need to vote on that stuff [02:39] <mako> loco teams [02:39] <gothcat> yes [02:39] <Seveas> JennyLoow/RobinSonefors [02:39] <Nafallo> Sweden! :-) [02:39] <mako> alright, everyone, please state your name for the record right now [02:39] <mako> if you haven't already [02:39] <Seveas> Dennis Kaarsemaker [02:39] <mako> and i just missed it [02:39] <mako> Benjamin Mako Hill [02:39] <ozamosi> Robin Sonefors [02:39] <gothcat> Jenny Lw [02:39] <Mitario> Michiel Sikkes [02:40] <Treenaks> Martijn van de Streek [02:40] <segfault> Carlos Eduardo Pedroza Santiviago [02:40] <rob^> Robert Stoffers [02:40] <ondrej> Ondrej Sury [02:40] <mbreit> Moritz Breit [02:40] <ajmitch> Andrew Mitchell [02:40] <rbelem> Rodrigo Cesar Lopes Belem [02:40] <Virtuall> Danko Alexeyev [02:40] <hno73> Henrik Omma [02:40] <ploum> Lionel Dricot [02:40] <mako> ozamosi, gothcat: how are things in sweden? [02:40] <ogra> Oliver Grawert [02:40] <Simira> Karianne Grnningster [02:40] <ozamosi> mako, sunny :P [02:40] <gothcat> good :) [02:41] <Seveas> tell us some more about the teams progress [02:41] <gothcat> we planing to have a installparty breezy [02:41] <Nafallo> mako: I'm admin and helper, so I will be part of this discussion at some point :-) [02:41] <Seveas> gothcat, nice, big lanparty-like installfest? [02:41] <Lathiat> ;win 20 [02:42] <gothcat> some thing like that maby have it on dreamhack even [02:42] <Seveas> any SFD plans? [02:42] <Nafallo> that's what I need to talk to sabdfl/mako about ;-) [02:42] <gothcat> in november :P [02:42] <Nafallo> ozamosi: ping? :-) [02:42] <ozamosi> We (or, kindofwe) have SFD-plans [02:42] <Seveas> like what? Give the other teams some inspiration :) [02:42] <Treenaks> Safe For Deletion? [02:42] <Virtuall> :) [02:42] <Seveas> Software Freedom Day [02:42] <Nafallo> SFD together with a local LUG :-) [02:43] <Nafallo> I ordered 400 CDs yesterday/today :-) [02:43] <Seveas> Nafallo, that's a bit short in time - did you coordinate this with mako? [02:43] <mako> cds really should have been ordered through SFD [02:43] <hno73> http://softwarefreedomday.org/ [02:43] <rob^> my LUG is pushing Ubuntu on SFD [02:44] <Nafallo> we had the first meeting yesterday, and this SFD discussion came up handy. [02:44] <hno73> Team locations: http://majen.net/sfdworldwide/ :) [02:44] <ozamosi> mako, yes, but there were no loco nor lug before the deadline... [02:44] <Seveas> hno73, nice ubuntu logo @ sfd.org [02:44] <Nafallo> hadn't heard about it before, but those CDs will come here ASAP :-) [02:44] <hno73> Seveas: thanks [02:44] <Seveas> swedish team anything else you want to discuss? [02:45] <ozamosi> Not that I can think of? [02:45] <Nafallo> we need a mailinglist (jdub mailed) and our domain on a linode vserver :-=) [02:45] <Nafallo> :-) [02:45] <mako> Nafallo: alright, you've done what you need for the former [02:45] <mako> you should coordinate for the latter with smurfix [02:46] <mako> smurfix: right? [02:46] <ozamosi> mako, smurfix went away [02:46] <Nafallo> mako: oki :-) [02:46] <mako> well, i think i'm right [02:46] <hno73> Nafallo: email me about SFD CDs and Linode henrik@ubuntu.com [02:46] <mako> smurfix will tell you if i'm not [02:46] <Seveas> I thought silbs did that [02:46] <Nafallo> hno73: CDs is done. I'll mail you about Linode though :-) [02:46] <hno73> OK, cool [02:47] <mako> alright [02:47] <Seveas> next up: BrazilTeam (RodrigoBelem/IanLawrence) [02:47] <mako> ozamosi, gothcat did you guys have anything else? [02:47] <rbelem> hi all ;) [02:47] <mako> thanks for showing up :) [02:47] <gothcat> no [02:47] <ozamosi> mako, no [02:47] <mako> cool, well keep in touch [02:47] <mako> let us know what worked and didn't :) [02:47] <gothcat> :P [02:47] <rbelem> ian can't be here [02:47] <mako> rbelem: that's cool [02:48] <mako> rbelem: how is brazil? [02:48] <ogra> rbelem, thats ok.... we dont have a full council here anyway today [02:48] <rbelem> well... [02:48] <ogra> so nobody can approve new members [02:48] <rbelem> we have a mailiig list with around 140 members [02:48] <rob^> doh [02:49] <rbelem> Ian and me did 3 talks about ubuntu and ubuntu-br [02:49] <rbelem> we did some install fests [02:49] <Seveas> rbelem, if you have english versions of slides/notes, put them on the wiki (non-engish versions may be welcome too) [02:50] <Seveas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Presentations [02:50] <mako> versions in any language are fine [02:50] <rbelem> Seveas, ok... it's in portuguese ;-) [02:50] <mako> rbelem: that's fine :) [02:50] <segfault> just for the records... http://www.prognus.com.br/~carlos/installfest/63.html [02:50] <segfault> ph33r :-) [02:51] <mako> rbelem: how many people do you have participating in your loco? [02:51] <rbelem> and we plan be a cds distribution point [02:51] <mako> rbelem: do you mean on a national scale? [02:52] <rbelem> yeah ;-) [02:52] <mako> rbelem: at the moment, we're not really able to do that but we don't need to discuss the details of why now [02:52] <rbelem> mark was here [02:52] <mako> rbelem: hno73 made a similar proposal not long ago and other people have suggested it for a long time but it's logitistically more work than we can handle at the moment [02:52] <mako> ok [02:53] <mako> so, brazil is a big country [02:53] <mako> how geographically spread out are you? [02:53] <mako> your loco? [02:53] <rbelem> cds have a great delay [02:53] <mako> rbelem: i understand that [02:53] <rbelem> around 4 moths [02:54] <rbelem> i live in north [02:54] <rbelem> i guess the cds production will be done in two cities [02:54] <rbelem> Manaus and Porto Alegre [02:55] <segfault> Well, i'm a member too of the Brazilian Team, and we're in the South part of Brazil, and my city is near to Paraguay and Argentina. Where we can, we spread the ubuntu philosophy. [02:55] <hno73> rbelem: Brazil has 6 SFD teams. Have/could you get in touch with any of those? See: http://maitri.ubuntu.com/softwarefreedomday/wiki/index.php/Brasil [02:55] <mako> rbelem: we are looking at ways into speeding up the whole cd shipping process, but some solutions that seem obvious to people might be difficult [02:55] <mako> rbelem: prohibitively so. or prohibitively expensive or require more overhead that we can currently deal with [02:55] <Seveas> mako, is there public discussion/info available on that? [02:56] <mako> Seveas: no, but jane write a nice email to hno73 that might make a decent wiki page or edited into a faq entry even [02:56] <rbelem> hno73, acctualy i contacted two [02:56] <mako> rbelem: right, i realize you are in the north [02:56] <mako> rbelem: i was wondering if everyone else in your team was also in the north [02:56] <hno73> rbelem: cool, any collaboration possible? [02:57] <mako> and if so, if there's any sort of work you're doing to involve folks from the rest of brazil [02:58] <rbelem> rbelem, the art work guy, me, Ian, some translators, and the translator of ubuntuguide [02:58] <rob^> maybe you would be better off translating the FAQ Guide instead of ubuntuguide [02:59] <rbelem> hno73, yes, today we will have a metting about this [02:59] <Seveas> rbelem, are you on the locoteam-contacts mailinglist? [03:00] <rob^> its one in the same really, just one is maintained by us [03:00] <rbelem> hno73, and after that i'll contatc the others places [03:00] <hno73> rbelem: do you know the ubuntu-bus people? http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/blog/projects/ubuntu/1123851054 [03:00] <rbelem> Seveas, yes [03:00] <mako> rbelem: you didn't really answer me in regards to the question about people in other parts of brazil and involvement in the loco [03:01] <mako> rbelem: i'm curious if this is a de facto north brazil loco at the moment and, if so, what you guys are doing to involve people from other places in brazil [03:02] <rbelem> mako, there is people from many states [03:02] <rbelem> mako, the states are: [03:03] <elmo> sorry I'm late [03:03] <Seveas> hi elmo [03:03] <rbelem> mako, Rio Grande do Sul, Parana, Rio de Janeiro, Amazonas, Roraima, Goias [03:03] <mako> rbelem: cool, that's great :) [03:04] <Nafallo> elmo: hi elmo :-) [03:04] <mako> elmo: not a problem, i've just been talking to locos [03:04] <mako> elmo: it's just the two of us [03:04] <mako> sabdfl is sick and kamion is, well, y'know [03:04] <Seveas> doomed :) [03:04] <elmo> apparently cvd is bringing the sick sabdfl a laptop [03:04] <mako> heh :) [03:04] <mako> ok [03:04] <Seveas> rbelem, anything else you wanted to discuss? [03:04] <mako> rbelem: sounds like you guys have things under control [03:04] <mako> rbelem: anything else? [03:05] <rbelem> mako, and i'll try to contact people from other states [03:05] <rbelem> mako, one more thing [03:05] <Seveas> (Next up: CzechTeam (OndejSur), please prepare) [03:05] <rbelem> the mailing list ubuntu-br is not on the list [03:05] <rbelem> of mailing lists [03:06] <mako> rbelem: talk to jdub about that [03:06] <mako> as far as i know, he's the only one that can change that still [03:06] <ondrej> Seveas: Ondrej Sury willdo (so we don't confuse IRC list) [03:06] <rbelem> mako, ok ;) [03:06] <mako> rbelem: thanks for your work [03:06] <mako> ondrej: greetings [03:06] <ondrej> hi [03:06] <mako> ondrej: how's your loco? [03:06] <rbelem> mako, ;-) [03:07] <mako> the page is very much in czech [03:07] <ondrej> well, I was asked three or four weeks ago about starting local webpages and now projects is going really well [03:07] <mako> looks like you have a half a dozen people involved [03:07] <ondrej> I started www.ubuntu.cz webpage, have three active translator, one person doing web design and /me [03:08] <mako> you've translated a lot :) [03:08] <ondrej> I am also in contact with Debian L10N team (Miroslav Kure) [03:08] <mako> great [03:08] <mako> so you guys are focusing mostly on l10n stuff? [03:08] <Seveas> ondrej, contact smurfix to make ubuntu-cz.org be forwarded to ubuntu.cz [03:08] <ondrej> we have CDs distribution point together with CZLUG [03:09] <ondrej> CZLUG pays for postage, I order batch of CDs from Ubuntu and package them :-) [03:09] <mako> ondrej: nice :) [03:09] <ondrej> I wan't to focus on L10N, QA for next release (so we don't have nasty bugs like in Hoary)... [03:10] <mako> ondrej: testing is important :) [03:10] <ondrej> I am also promoting Ubuntu where I can... yesterday we published GNOME 2.12 preview tour translation (www.ubuntu.cz/gnome-2.12) to help promote Breezy before it gets out. [03:10] <mako> ondrej: awesome :) [03:10] <Seveas> ah good idea, I'll do a dutch version of it [03:11] <ondrej> I also applied to membership in Czech OSS Aliance which helps promoting open source in CZ (and I hope it will be accepted real soon) [03:12] <ondrej> I also do translations of USN (which seems to be attractive to people :-) [03:12] <mako> ondrej: nice, sounds like you guys are doing a lot of great work [03:12] <mako> ondrej: is there anything you need from us? [03:13] <ondrej> my personal primary focus is on coordinating other people to do the work, doing QA and when I have time translate stuff myself... [03:13] <ondrej> well, right now I am waiting for CDs to arrive... I have about 50 people in queue asking for about 70 CDs [03:14] <ondrej> I also run archive.ubuntu.cz mirror (maybe cz.archive.ubuntu.com would be nice?) [03:14] <mako> ondrej: email info@shipit.ubuntu.com if you want an order to be sent/resent at high priority [03:15] <ondrej> it was already shipped at 08-08 [03:15] <ondrej> and it's 65 people now... (just checked my folder) [03:15] <mako> in terms of mirrors, i guess you just need to mail the address on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive [03:16] <mako> ondrej: then it should be there soon :) [03:16] <ondrej> I think that this shows how important LoCo teams are... and how important is to communicate with people in native language [03:16] <mako> ondrej: cool, well thanks for all of your work [03:16] <mako> is Danko around from LatvianTeam [03:16] <Seveas> Virtuall, [03:16] <mako> ah, Virtuall [03:17] <mako> we talked last meeting [03:17] <mako> is there something new that has come up? [03:17] <mako> alright [03:17] <mako> we'll move on [03:17] <Virtuall> [03:17] <Virtuall> here [03:17] <Virtuall> :) [03:17] <mako> oh, ok :) [03:17] <mako> Virtuall: just in time [03:17] <Virtuall> we have our site finished [03:18] <mako> Virtuall: anything new you wanted to air here? [03:18] <mako> Virtuall: nice, url? [03:18] <Virtuall> and we have the mirror too [03:18] <Virtuall> http://ubuntu-lv.org [03:18] <ondrej> mako: there is one thing left... I still need that day of birth for ubuntu.cz contact person at Czech NIC [03:18] <Virtuall> not much info yet [03:18] <Virtuall> but :) well [03:18] <Virtuall> i'm writing a material about what is Linux and what is Ubuntu in Latvian [03:18] <Virtuall> not yet finished [03:18] <Virtuall> :) [03:18] <Virtuall> about SFD... [03:19] <mako> ondrej: well, ask whoever's DoB you need :) [03:19] <Virtuall> we are waiting for someone bigger (LAKA, Lintech etc.) action [03:19] <Virtuall> if not, well... we're working on plan B [03:19] <Virtuall> ;) [03:19] <ondrej> I think elmo's... but I already sent him email... [03:20] <mako> ondrej: well, he's here now, msg him :) [03:20] <Seveas> ondrej, hmm, that might be classified information :) [03:20] <Virtuall> and the CDs... we really need them. kolcvk told me he asked you for cds a long time ago [03:20] <mako> for the record, my birthday is december 2 [03:20] <mako> presents should be sent to the address at http://mako.cc/contact.html [03:20] <Seveas> Virtuall, cd's take a long time for everybody... [03:21] <ondrej> Seveas: well I consider it stupid to have this kind of information in NIC database, but second option of including passport number is maybe even worse [03:21] <mako> Seveas: i think kolvck's situation was a little different [03:21] <mako> Virtuall: kolvck setn me a message and then logged off before i could respond [03:21] <mako> Virtuall: i'm happy to work this out but we'll need to actually talk or he can drop me a mail [03:21] <Nafallo> he should use e-mail :-) [03:21] <mako> Virtuall: you can also just email info@shipit.ubuntu.com [03:22] <Virtuall> could you please wait a little bit [03:22] <mako> Virtuall: i'm no longer answering most of those messages [03:22] <elmo> I've just msg'ed ondrej my bday [03:22] <mako> elmo: awesome :) [03:22] <mako> Virtuall: he'll be expecting a present on that day [03:22] <mako> sorry [03:22] <mako> ondrej: ^^^ [03:22] <Virtuall> ok [03:22] <Virtuall> :) [03:23] <mako> elmo: hope you like dutch bottle scrapers [03:23] <elmo> mako: more than anything [03:23] <Seveas> *falls on the floor* [03:23] <Seveas> Virtuall, anything else? [03:23] <Virtuall> nope [03:23] <Treenaks> elmo: we want a picture of you holding and/or using it of course [03:24] <Seveas> Treenaks, ask virginie @ tosti [03:24] <mako> alright, [03:24] <Seveas> (hmm, hat's for mako holding it btw) [03:24] <mako> alright then [03:24] <mako> is sabdfl actually going to show up? [03:24] <Seveas> last thing that does not need approval: local SFD plans [03:25] <mako> well sure [03:25] <Treenaks> *idly wonders how airport security reacted to the bottle scrapers* [03:25] <mako> hno73 and i are both on the SFD board [03:25] <mako> hno73 is much more involved and active than i of course [03:25] <Nafallo> Sweden: http://nluug.blinkenlights.se/index.php/SFD [03:25] <mako> but you should direct any SFD related questions to either one of us [03:25] <mako> locos are strongly encouraged to make plans for SFD, even if they haven't already [03:25] <mako> it would be have nice if they'd done it a while ago but, y'know :) [03:26] <mako> was there anything else specific about this item? [03:26] <\sh> is there anything happening for the SFD in germany? [03:26] <hno73> I still have some SFD CDs, so if someone makes a really good case, I can send some [03:27] <mako> \sh: check out http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/ [03:27] <hno73> (ie. show that they have some decent plans) [03:27] <Seveas> So if anybody has material for presentations, please put it on the wiki :) [03:27] <mako> Seveas: i will be uploading three presentations probably later today [03:27] <Seveas> mako, great! [03:27] <hno73> \sh: http://maitri.ubuntu.com/softwarefreedomday/wiki/index.php/Germany [03:27] <rob^> Seveas, soon.. [03:27] <Seveas> I'll upload mine as soon as it is finished [03:28] <mako> Seveas: excellent [03:28] <\sh> hno73: yeah saw it..nothing in our area [03:28] <\sh> nothing in berlin [03:28] <hno73> oh, and everyoneshould feel free to blog about their planning ;) [03:28] <mako> \sh: make something in berlin :) [03:28] <mako> Seveas: can be fixed [03:29] <\sh> mako: helping dholbach to relax yes :) and to help me to relax ,-) [03:29] <Treenaks> Seveas: you don't have RSS [03:29] <mako> alright [03:29] <Seveas> mako, not shortly, I have not created a feed yet ;) [03:29] <mako> anything else loco related? [03:29] <Nafallo> hmm, the LUG seems to have disappared. [03:29] <mako> going once.. [03:29] <mako> gone ! [03:29] <Nafallo> #ubuntu.se probably handles this themselves [03:29] <mako> alright [03:29] <Nafallo> mako: one question. [03:29] <mako> Nafallo: bah :) [03:29] <mako> Nafallo: whats up? [03:30] <Seveas> will sabdfl be here soon or do we skip the rest completely? [03:30] <mako> we're going to need to decide that very soon [03:30] <elmo> mako: jane's calling him now [03:30] <Nafallo> mako: is it possible to get one of you kewl dudes traveling? :-) [03:30] <ajmitch> Nafallo: ubuntu world tour! :) [03:30] <mako> Nafallo: it is.. but schedule permitting of course [03:31] <mako> Nafallo: but yes, as far as i understand, sabdfl will be traveling a lot more in the near future [03:31] <Nafallo> mako: okey, what people are we talking about? this is important for most locos I believe :-) [03:31] <Nafallo> or would atleast be a nice move for the special day :-) [03:31] <ajmitch> Nafallo: see wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldTour, also :) [03:31] <mako> Nafallo: i've traveled a lot in the past. sabdfl can, jdub does sometimes. i'm not sure what the whole list is [03:32] <Nafallo> mako: I'll start pinging the world of high people then ;-) [03:32] <Nafallo> also more planning should be done by us. [03:32] <Nafallo> this changed our plans a bit :-/ [03:32] <Nafallo> less people and stuff like that [03:33] <mako> alright [03:33] <mako> lets move on [03:34] <rbelem> mako, i forgot to ask a question... [03:34] <ozamosi> Nafallo, doubt it really is less people [03:34] <mako> rbelem: yes, go ahead [03:35] <rbelem> mako, is there a possibility to create a dns entry to each state team like am,ubuntu-br.org rs.ubuntu-br.org [03:35] <smurfix> rbelem: yes [03:35] <rbelem> cool ;-) [03:35] <mako> rbelem: :) [03:35] <smurfix> just tell me where they should go [03:35] <mako> rbelem: i think that's ideal for a place like brazil :) [03:36] <mako> alright [03:36] <mako> so the accessibility team is on here [03:36] <mako> the accessibility team was one of the round of teams that were created IIRC [03:36] <rbelem> can each state has your linode? [03:36] <Seveas> doesn't that require approval mako..? [03:36] <mako> rbelem: if each team meets the criteria for a loco team, i don't see what why not [03:37] <hno73> mako: I don't think it ws actually voted on [03:37] <mako> rbelem: so if it's just one person, no. but it if each one is a full loco team on its own, i think that's fine [03:37] <mako> hno73: i think it was approved at like the first or second CC meeting along with the laptop team [03:37] <hno73> mako: everyone just agreed it was probably a good idea [03:37] <rbelem> mako, or i can setup the ubuntu-br linode to host all the state team [03:38] <hno73> mako: ok, I wasn't there at that meeting though [03:38] <mako> rbelem: you can do that no matter what. if you want seperate linode servers, i would suggset that each sub-team be a proper loco on its own and you can just be a sort of federation of locos :) [03:38] <mako> hno73: well, i've been pointing people to the accessibility team for most of a year :) [03:38] <Nafallo> sabdfl: welcome! :-) [03:38] <sabdfl> hi all [03:39] <gothcat> yay! [03:39] <Seveas> hi sabdfl! [03:39] <mako> hno73: i certainly thought it was a proper team :) [03:39] <ogra> hey sabdfl [03:39] <rbelem> mako, yeah... ;) [03:39] <sabdfl> sorry for getting the time wrong [03:39] <mako> sabdfl: not a problem [03:39] <sabdfl> where are we in the agenda? [03:39] <mako> sabdfl: not really in order [03:39] <sabdfl> ok, fire away [03:39] <mako> sabdfl: we've done everything that doesn't require a vote [03:39] <Seveas> accessibility team now [03:39] <Nafallo> sabdfl: loco, sfd done :-) [03:39] <Seveas> (after skipping members temporarily) [03:39] <\sh> jesus^H^H^H^Hsabdfl came at least :) I have to msg the pope ,-) [03:39] <hno73> mako: ok, let's just confirm it then, or appoint a contact [03:39] <mako> sabdfl: accesibility team, then members, then we're done [03:39] <mako> hno73: are you still happy to be the contact? [03:40] <sabdfl> ok, background on the accessibility team? [03:40] <hno73> mako: yes [03:40] <mako> sabdfl: there seems to be some confusion as to if the CC ever voted to approve the AT [03:40] <hno73> I'd like to structure work around accessibility features a bit more. We tentatively started an accessibility team some months ago, but it never got official CC approval. I'd just like to follow that up and put myself forward as team contact [03:40] <mako> sabdfl: i certainly have been pointing people to it for the last year assuming it was a proper team [03:41] <mitsuhiko> \sh: rofl [03:41] <hno73> everyone agreed it was a good idea, but the vote was passed over (I think) [03:41] <mako> hno73: that sounds totally fine with me [03:41] <mako> it has my vote [03:41] <sabdfl> hno73: +1 from me for an official accessibility team, with hno73 as contact [03:41] <mako> elmo: ? [03:42] <elmo> sure [03:42] <hno73> ok, thanks [03:42] <mako> hno73: you're golden [03:42] <mako> alright [03:42] <mako> lets do members [03:42] <hno73> I'll take it from there [03:42] <Seveas> JonathanJesse? [03:42] <mako> he logged off [03:42] <mako> about halfway through the meeting [03:42] <Seveas> RobinSonefors then [03:42] <ozamosi> Present! [03:42] <mako> ozamosi: greetings [03:42] <ozamosi> Hi [03:42] <mako> everyone knows the routine, right? [03:43] <Seveas> mako, yes [03:43] <Seveas> I did the public service announcement :) [03:43] <mako> i just want to make sure everyone else did :) [03:43] <Mitario> maybe do it again ;) [03:43] <mako> we need a couple sentances about what you've done [03:43] <ozamosi> So, a few lines about me... [03:43] <Nafallo> Seveas: you should have an alias for that ;-) [03:43] <ozamosi> Untill now, I have done little more than translating (which, of course, also is important), and I've also held a lecture about Ubuntu at my school (I will hold many more this autumn). Now, I want to become one of the Swedish LoCo contacts, and to be that, I need to be a member. I think the most important thing about Ubuntu is that it is Free Software, and I want it to stay that way. I want to inform as many as possible about [03:43] <ozamosi> the benefits of Free Software, but, without features, no one will want it, and thus Ubuntu must also be better than anything else out there for everyone (it already is for me) [03:43] <mako> and a couple sentances about what you plan to do and where you want to ubuntu to go and how you're going to be part of that (prepare in advance is good) [03:44] <Seveas> Nafallo, I have... [03:44] <sabdfl> mako: i've got the +editproposed page up, will mark the guys off as we go [03:44] <mako> sabdfl: fantastic [03:44] <jsgotangco> hi [03:45] <sabdfl> Seveas: actually, could you re-write the wiki page so that it does not have a list of people in it? seems silly to have the info in two places [03:45] <ajmitch> sabdfl: would you be able to mark me as a member at some point? [03:45] <Seveas> sabdfl, I'll do it afterwards [03:45] <sabdfl> ajmitch: done [03:45] <Treenaks> sabdfl: or me [03:45] <ajmitch> thanks [03:46] <Nafallo> sabdfl: message about approval from me :-) [03:46] <Seveas> ondrej, yes [03:46] <Nafallo> back to topic maybe? :-) [03:47] <Seveas> ozamosi, you do not need to be a member to be team contact [03:47] <ozamosi> Seveas, it says so on the loco wiki page? [03:47] <mako> actually, the wiki page is still useful because it tracks if we've talked about someone before, why we didn't approve them, etc [03:47] <ploum_> sorry, my wireless goes off. Did I miss something for LionelDricot ? [03:47] <Virtuall> ...yes? so I don't either? (excuses) [03:47] <Seveas> and Ubuntu membership is generally a sign of recognition of past contributions [03:47] <mako> but in any case [03:47] <Seveas> ploum, no [03:47] <ploum_> (thx) [03:47] <mako> but lets get back to ozamosi now [03:48] <ondrej> just quick not: Ubuntu Czech is not officially member of OSS Aliance in Czech Republic (non-profit for promoting use of OSS in schools/government/etc.) [03:48] <ondrej> s/not/now/ [03:48] <mako> ondrej: lets please try to stay in order [03:48] <sabdfl> ondrej: that's awesome, congratulations [03:48] <Nafallo> ozamosi have done a great deal of translations since he became a member and he is really active in our new LoCo :-) [03:48] <Nafallo> he is the one that's planned most of the SFD-day for us [03:48] <sabdfl> ozamosi: how have you been helping the LoCo? [03:48] <mako> ozamosi: have you been using rosetta? [03:49] <ozamosi> mako, yes [03:49] <gothcat> ozamosi is a great guy to work with, I know since we are contacts together [03:49] <ozamosi> sabdfl, well, organizing SFD, and also starting up the LoCo [03:50] <Nafallo> I would love to see him as member, not just for his new work on the loco, but for his involvement in the translationteam and for converting his sister to Ubuntu :-) [03:50] <ozamosi> Nafallo, :) [03:51] <ozamosi> Well, her computer was too crappy for windows anyway... [03:51] <mako> ozamosi: your wiki page is not really as big as i'd like [03:52] <mako> ozamosi: there are no links to translations that you have done, for example [03:52] <ozamosi> mako, I looked at Nafallo's and gothcat's wikipages, and tried to mimic them, since I didn't know what to write there [03:52] <mako> it's hard for me to get a good handle on the particular contributions you've made [03:52] <Nafallo> https://launchpad.net/people/ozamosi/+translations [03:53] <Nafallo> https://launchpad.net/people/ozamosi/+karma [03:53] <mako> ^^ that is one very useful thing you can put in if you've done a lot of translations [03:53] <ozamosi> I will do that. [03:53] <mako> nice, that's a good deal of translation [03:54] <sabdfl> ozamosi: +1 for membership from me, on the basis of translations and loco contributions [03:54] <Nafallo> the best thing he is _very_ nice to work with on things :-) and got lot's of ideas :-) [03:55] <mako> it's clear that you've done a significant amount of translations and care about the loco [03:55] <jsgotangco> nice karma [03:55] <mako> elmo: ? [03:55] <elmo> ack [03:55] <Nafallo> yay! [03:55] <Nafallo> that's three! [03:55] <ozamosi> Wii! *dances around* [03:55] <Seveas> Welcome aboard! [03:55] <Nafallo> ozamosi: welcome dude *huges* [03:55] <Nafallo> :-) [03:55] <Seveas> Next: CarlosSantiviago [03:55] <ozamosi> Nafallo, thanks! [03:56] <segfault> it's me [03:56] <segfault> hi all! [03:56] <mako> segfault: great [03:56] <segfault> let me introduce myself... [03:56] <segfault> Hi, my name is Carlos Eduardo Pedroza Santiviago, brazilian, and i'm helping Ubuntu in some translations (to pt_BR) in Rosetta so far, and i plan to still help in the translations, and start learning the debian packaging system, so i can make some packages and help in this area too. [03:56] <segfault> I started using Linux in 1997, and already used almost all Linux distributions, but when i met Ubuntu, in the beginning of 2005, i just knew it was the best distribution, because of its simplicity, ease of use, and works like a charm. [03:56] <segfault> I work in a company called Prognus (Pro-GNUs, heh), and we're customizing Ubuntu for the largest hydroelectric power plant in the world, Itaipu Binacional (http://www.itaipu.gov.br). [03:56] <segfault> I'm helping to advocate Ubuntu where i can, installing it in the so called "installfests" (http://www.psl-trinacional.org), and we're preparing too for the 10th September, for the Software Freedom Day. [03:56] <jsgotangco> soooo prepared [03:57] <segfault> some pictures of our last installfest @ http://www.prognus.com.br/~carlos/installfest/ [03:57] <segfault> :) [03:57] <Seveas> segfault, do you work a lot with the LoCoteam? [03:57] <segfault> not as much as i would like, since my job takes much of my time [03:57] <rbelem> Seveas, he is the guy of the south [03:57] <segfault> but i try when i have some spare time [03:58] <segfault> https://launchpad.net/people/segfault/ [03:58] <segfault> i started the brazilian portuguese team in rosetta [03:58] <sabdfl> +1 for segfault from me [03:58] <sabdfl> the pt_BR team is looking awesome, lots of translators, lots of activity [03:58] <mako> segfault: are you working with rbelem ? [03:58] <segfault> yeah [03:59] <segfault> our LUG mascot: http://www.prognus.com.br/~carlos/installfest/63.html [03:59] <segfault> hehe [03:59] <segfault> mako: where structuring the ubuntu-br wiki [03:59] <mako> segfault: great. are you involved with a sort of sub-loco for a geographical area within brazil? [03:59] <segfault> creating regional groups, defining rules to be a pt_br translator, just to have a QA [03:59] <ogra> oops.. we vote [03:59] <mako> great :) [03:59] <segfault> yeah, i live near to Paraguay and Argentina [04:00] <mako> segfault: what region? [04:00] <segfault> Foz do Iguacu (City), Parana (state) [04:00] <mako> segfault: ah, ok :) [04:00] <mako> sounds great [04:00] <mako> elmo: ? [04:00] <segfault> our LUG is called PSL Trinacional, because of the three countries [04:00] <elmo> ack [04:00] <mako> MoritzBreit [04:00] <mako> segfault: welcome on board [04:01] <ogra> yay [04:01] <jsgotangco> wee [04:01] <mbreit> mako: that's me [04:01] <segfault> hehe, thanks guys! :) [04:01] <mako> mbreit: greetings :) [04:01] <Seveas> Welcome segfauly! [04:01] <Seveas> s/y/t [04:01] <Seveas> mbreit, nice wiki page! [04:01] <mbreit> thanks mako, thanks Seveas [04:01] <mbreit> I have created the Gnomeradio package which is in Universe now and I have fixed several packages in Universe (unmet dependencies and gcc4 issues). I am going to help the MOTU team where I can and to make some more packages of which I think they should be included in Universe. [04:02] <ogra> s/several/tons of [04:02] <ogra> :) [04:02] <\sh> mbreit is going to be MOTU asap...;-) [04:02] <mbreit> And I'll help siretart with REVU2 [04:02] <mako> mbreit: how long have hacking on universe stuff? [04:02] <ajmitch> we want mbreit in the MOTU team :) [04:02] <ogra> yeah [04:03] <mbreit> mako: ahh... hmm.. one or two weeks now [04:03] <mbreit> mako: i thinks it's two weeks by now [04:03] <mako> mbreit: one of things we look for is sustained contributions [04:03] <ogra> thast quite a big amount of packages for 2 weeks [04:03] <mako> i'd be more comfortable asking you to wait until the next meeting if that's alright [04:03] <ogra> mako, scroll down on the wikipage [04:03] <mako> not that i think you're going to stop or anything :) [04:04] <jsgotangco> wow that's a lot of DONE in the page [04:04] <mako> right right :) [04:04] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: yeah, that's about 2 months of MOTU work for me :) [04:04] <Seveas> 2 weeks that much...? [04:04] <ogra> mako, i think this table speaks for itself [04:04] <sabdfl> that's a good contribution already [04:04] <mako> the two criteria for membership are sustained and significant [04:04] <mako> i think the significant is not arguable :) [04:05] <mbreit> mako: i've been involved in ubuntu a bit longer than that... but not that active in fixing universe stuff [04:05] <mako> mbreit: ah, ok [04:05] <sabdfl> in the past we've asked guys to come back the next time around, just to be consistent [04:06] <Seveas> mbreit, what were your other onvolvements? [04:06] <mako> mbreit: what were you doing? [04:06] <sabdfl> though in this case, with breezy looming, it would be nice for mbreit to go straight into the MOTU [04:06] <mbreit> mako: for example my gnomeradio package, which is in universe now... [04:06] <sabdfl> +1 for mbreit from me [04:06] <mako> yeah, this is clearly significant.. that's not the issue.. i just think membership should recognize people have participated in the community for a sustained period of time as well as to a significant level :) [04:07] <mako> mbreit: how long have you been working on that? [04:07] <\sh> mako: mbreit fixed a couple of really nasty issues...I'm glad to have him as member and as motu as well [04:07] <siretart> mako: I would also be very happy to have him as motu [04:07] <ogra> ++ from here.... [04:07] <mako> as kamion pointed out, you guys have never expressed reservations about anyone :) [04:07] <mbreit> mako: to be honest, not more than a month, but I can't say that for sure [04:07] <ajmitch> mako: we only recruit the best :) [04:07] <sabdfl> mako: would you be happy to defer till TB next week? [04:08] <mako> sabdfl: yes [04:08] <sabdfl> let them confirm him for MOTU, and simultaneously membership? [04:08] <sabdfl> mbreit: how does that sound? [04:08] <mako> even an extra week would be ok with me [04:08] <mbreit> sabdfl: that would be okay for me ;) [04:08] <mako> i'm not going to vote against it [04:08] <sabdfl> ok, let's do that [04:08] <sabdfl> +1 from me, subject to TB appointment to MOTU next week [04:08] <mako> i think just think it's good precedent to require that someone be active in the community for a month or more so we can get to know them [04:08] <ogra> mako, we need every helping hand, universe is in a bad state for release, mbreit obviously has the skills and the will [04:08] <mako> ogra: i'm not saying he shouldn't help [04:09] <ogra> mako, i know [04:09] <elmo> FWIW, I agree with mako [04:09] <ogra> oki [04:09] <ajmitch> ogra: on that note, add what you think needs done to the MOTU meeting agenda for next week :) [04:09] <mako> ogra: but this is about membership and one of the *two* criteria is sustained constributions. i think we're not being fair to folks if we say that is a week or two of solid serious work [04:10] <ogra> yep, i understand that... [04:10] <Seveas> ogra, so he will be a MOTU, but for now you will have to upload the packages for him :) [04:11] <ogra> Seveas, yes, and all uploaders and reviewers are overworked anyway.... i thin \sh doesnt sleep anymore at all [04:11] <mako> mbreit: yeah, i'm not sleighting your work.. i'm just trying to be consistent :) [04:11] <mbreit> mako: I understand that [04:11] <mako> mbreit: we'll talk again soon [04:11] <Seveas> OK, so are we moving on? [04:11] <\sh> ogra: I'll sleep...and I just refueled over the last weekend ,-) [04:12] <ogra> :) [04:12] <mako> AlexanderDomanski [04:12] <Seveas> What's the status of AlexanderDomanski? He wrote a 'does not need to show up' remark in the wiki himself... [04:12] <mako> yes [04:12] <jsgotangco> lol [04:12] <mako> he was here last time [04:12] <Seveas> ok [04:12] <mako> and we told him to defer [04:12] <Seveas> Any reason to accept without him being here? [04:12] <mako> but he was on holiday this week so i told him if he defered he wouldn't need to show up since he already posted good information [04:12] <Seveas> ah... [04:12] <mako> and showed up at the last meeting [04:13] <mako> we already talked to him [04:13] <mako> and it seemed great [04:13] <mako> but his wiki page was thin [04:13] <Seveas> it contains info now [04:13] <Seveas> But i recall having seen that info before [04:14] <Seveas> jjesse, wb, remind us to treat your membership application at the end of the meeting [04:15] <jjesse> thanks seveas sorry i had to breifly split to solve a work crisis [04:15] <mako> alexander seems very active in the germany community [04:15] <mako> has done a huge deal of support and documentation in german [04:15] <Seveas> any ubuntu-de people here to vouch? [04:16] <mako> well, you can read his 900+ posts in user support forums :) [04:16] <Seveas> *g* [04:16] <mitsuhiko> Seveas: me [04:16] <mitsuhiko> jep. alexander is very active in the german community [04:16] <Seveas> for a month or more already? [04:16] <sabdfl> +1 from on the basis of activity in the support forums [04:16] <sabdfl> s/form/from me/ [04:17] <ogra> mitsuhiko, community == forums ?? [04:17] <Seveas> sabdfl, E: no match :) [04:17] <mitsuhiko> ogra: ubuntuusers.de [04:17] <ogra> so yes... [04:17] <mitsuhiko> is a forum :) [04:17] <mako> german forums [04:17] <mako> he's also done some hacking, advocacy, etc [04:17] <ogra> yup, just wanted to know... [04:17] <mako> he's been very responsive to me in terms of documenting his contributions.. [04:18] <mako> i'm happy approving him for membership [04:18] <Seveas> Not that I have a vote, but +1 from me based on this [04:18] <mako> elmo: ? [04:18] <mako> ploum: you're up? [04:18] <ploum> yep :-) [04:18] <mako> lets charge ahead [04:19] <ploum> Hello everybody [04:19] <ploum> I'm a 24 years old student in computer engineering and artificial intelligence, fanatic of astronomy. I'm former president of LouvainLiNux, a belgian LUG and I'm very strong free software advocate. And now the 3-liners as Seveas asked for : [04:19] <elmo> ack [04:19] <ploum> So far, involved in Ubuntu since more than one year (yes, before the release), I've done strong Ubuntu advocacy, beta testing, bug reporting, bug triaging, writing a lot of french documentation and was very active to start the ubuntu-fr community. I'm currently co-author of a book about Ubuntu (with a preface from Mark) for a well known french editor, planned for end october. [04:19] <ploum> I want to get more involved in promoting Ubuntu (also in real world), in creating a Belgian community and to continue writing more and more documentation and promotional text. I have also some experience in usability (people with disabilities, old people, ...) and want to take part in an Usability Ubuntu Team [04:19] <ploum> I see Ubuntu as the perfect solution I've ever dreamed in the free software world and want to spread it using tools traditionnaly only used by proprietary world (marketing, ..) but also with new ideas not created yet. [04:19] <ploum> My wiki page : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ploum [04:19] <mako> cool, adomnaski's good for membership [04:19] <jsgotangco> nice [04:20] <ploum> (don't think I'm copy/pasting, I type very quickly !) [04:20] <jsgotangco> wow [04:20] <ploum> ;-) [04:20] <Mitario> haha :) [04:20] <mako> sounds great :) [04:20] <Seveas> ploum, Ubuntu books sounds cool [04:20] <ogra> belgian beer speeds up ? [04:20] <Seveas> ogra, ask mako about kwak :) [04:20] <ogra> heh [04:21] <ploum> ogra, I will be happy to buy belgian beer to every Ubuntu member that come here :-) [04:21] <jsgotangco> we have that in log folks :) [04:21] <Seveas> yeah [04:21] <Seveas> ploum, impressive wiki page [04:22] <\sh> hmmm...belgium is not far away from here..ogra..up for a beer in bruxelles? ,-) [04:22] <ogra> ploum, ok, i'll take your word on it, next fosdem ;) [04:22] <hno73> ploum: also did good work on TheOpenCD some time ago (which now forms the basis for the Ubuntu Win-FOSS component, so indirectly he's been involved over 2 years ;p ) [04:22] <mako> good to know that there is a serious long-term involvement there [04:22] <ploum> Let's go for fosdem :-) [04:23] <mako> well, i'm impressed by the work on the ubuntu book if nothing else :) [04:23] <mako> and i am also impressed by ther other stuff as well [04:24] <\sh> ploum: shtoomvoip? [04:24] <mako> and appreciate the long-term committement to free software in other related areas [04:24] <ploum> \sh, I just reported a bug today [04:24] <mako> and have seen ploum around for a very long time in this community [04:24] <ploum> nothing [04:24] <mako> so i'm happy approving him for membership [04:24] <ogra> yay, shtoom ! [04:24] <ploum> thank you indiana ... mako [04:24] <\sh> ploum: well...I just took over thoms place in this project...wanna help? [04:24] <ogra> +1 for the beer at fosdem ;) [04:24] <jsgotangco> shtoom lives again? [04:25] <Seveas> sabdfl, elmo ? [04:25] <ogra> and +1 for ploum [04:25] <sabdfl> guys i have to step afk for a while [04:25] <mako> sabdfl: want to wweigh in on ploum before you go? [04:25] <\sh> jsgotangco: deferred for breezy+1 [04:25] <mako> elmo: ? [04:25] <elmo> ack [04:26] <mako> ok, how do we want to do this [04:26] <Seveas> defer the rest? [04:26] <Mitario> :( [04:26] <mako> give me a second [04:26] <Seveas> ok [04:26] <rob^> :( [04:27] <JaneW> jsgotangco: sadly not [04:28] <mako> Virtuall: ok, you should try to build up your wiki page [04:28] <mako> Virtuall: it's a bit lacking in details and links to your contributions [04:28] <Virtuall> hhm [04:28] <mako> Virtuall: you should do that and we'll revisit it next time [04:29] <mako> if you have questions on how to do that, you should work with me outside of the meeting in the next week or two [04:29] <Virtuall> k... see you next meeting then :) or maybe earlier [04:29] <mako> rob^: you could probably deal with a little more info and links too :) [04:29] <mako> Virtuall: yes [04:30] <rob^> mako, yes [04:30] <mako> Mitario: i think we can handle you at the TB meeting next week [04:30] <Mitario> mako, okay [04:30] <mako> Mitario: since you are going for a much more technical and eventually maintainership) sort of thin, that seems fine [04:30] <mako> Mitario: your wiki page looks good [04:30] <Mitario> mako, yeah true [04:30] <Mitario> ok thanks :) [04:31] <Mitario> mako, do I need to put myself on a list somewhere for the TB meeting? [04:31] <mako> that leaves rbelem and ondrej [04:31] <rob^> mako, I added my three-liner [04:31] <mako> Mitario: put it on the tech board agenda (noted that it's also for CC membership) [04:31] <mako> rob^: cool, links to stuff you've done too [04:31] <Seveas> mako and jjesse [04:31] <mako> right and jjesse, thanks [04:31] <Seveas> (who needs to work on his wiki page) [04:31] <rob^> mako, they are there now [04:31] <jjesse> yes? [04:32] <ploum> so when are we delayed ? [04:32] <Seveas> didn't ploum get accepted? [04:32] <Mitario> mako, umm, in MaintainerCandidates or just on the agenda? [04:33] <jjesse> just a short intro about myself right? [04:33] <mako> Mitario: you can put yourselfs as a maintainercandidate if you think you're ready for that but also note that you need CC papproval at that meeting [04:33] <Seveas> jjesse, not now [04:33] <Mitario> mako, ok thanks :) [04:33] <mako> jjesse: probably not necessary, our council left [04:33] <Seveas> please work on your wikipage, so it contains all info about you [04:33] <jjesse> bummer :( [04:33] <mako> i'm reading through the wiki pages and giving people criticism [04:33] <Seveas> and come back in 2 weeks please [04:33] <jjesse> sure thing [04:34] <mako> jjesse: in your case, i'm not sure it really matters becauuse your wiki page is pretty think [04:34] <mako> thin even [04:34] <mako> jjesse: you should have link and in depth descriptions that demonstrate both a sustained and a significant contribution [04:34] <mako> you've got enough data there that i am sure it exists [04:34] <mako> but not enough so that i can see or verify it [04:34] <mako> you need both [04:34] <ploum> Seveas, well I'm not sure [04:34] <Seveas> ploum, me neither [04:34] <mako> ploum: you'll be fine [04:34] <jjesse> ok i will work on more information thank you for the criticism mako [04:35] <Seveas> ploum, in that case: congratz, welcome aboard! [04:35] <mako> jjesse: right, if you do that, it will be totally uncontroversial next week [04:35] <mako> ploum: well, unless sabdfl says otherwise, you'll be fine [04:35] <mako> and i find that very unikely [04:35] <ploum> Seveas and mako, thank you [04:35] <rob^> its going to be a bit hard for me [04:35] <ploum> It's really great for me :-) [04:35] <Seveas> ploum, to be sure, come back next CC meeting [04:35] <rob^> due to the nature of my work, I can't give out some of the info [04:35] <mako> rbelem, and ondrej: [04:35] <jsgotangco> rob^: why not? you've made a lot of contributions to dcoteam [04:36] <mako> rbelem, and ondrej: are either of you still around? [04:36] <ploum> Seveas, when is it ? [04:36] <Seveas> ploum, in 2 weeks [04:36] <rbelem> mako, yep ;-) [04:36] <ondrej> here [04:36] <rob^> jsgotangco, yes, that I can put [04:36] <mako> rob^: why not? [04:36] <jsgotangco> rob^: well you don't have to say that, just your contrib [04:36] <rob^> ok [04:36] <jsgotangco> mako: he works in a sensitive position [04:36] <mako> ok guys.. your pages look pretty good.. more links are better but i think you'll be fine.. we'll do you first next time :) [04:36] <mako> hmm [04:36] <ondrej> just updated my page with info from my three liner... [04:37] <Seveas> mako, I will update the wikipage later today and add some instructions for members-to-be [04:37] <ploum> Seveas, I have exams this week but well, we will see :-) Thank you for advices and support today [04:37] <Seveas> ploum, good luck! [04:38] <ondrej> what's the next schedule for CC meeting? [04:38] <Seveas> mako, next meeting Aug 30 20:00? [04:38] <mako> jsgotangco, rob^: talked to me about it [04:38] <rbelem> mako, oki ,-) [04:38] <mako> sorry we didn't get to everyone today [04:38] <mako> is there any other business? [04:38] <jsgotangco> we crash? [04:38] <rob^> mako, now? [04:38] <mako> rob^: or later [04:38] <ondrej> just quick question... LoCo team were approved? [04:38] <mako> privately is fine [04:38] <Seveas> ondrej, no approval needed [04:39] <mako> ondrej: don't need to be approved.. [04:39] <mako> ondrej: but yes :) [04:39] <mako> if smurfix says they're good, they're good [04:39] <Nafallo> Seveas: not even smurfix-approval? [04:39] <ploum> mako, must I send you something GPG-signed ? [04:39] <Seveas> ploum, no [04:39] <Seveas> follow the instructions in launchpad [04:39] <mako> there's a new launchpad based system now [04:39] <Seveas> you will have to uploda it there [04:39] <segfault> Which are the next steps for the approved members? [04:39] <mako> i haven't actually entirely figured it out yet :) [04:39] <jsgotangco> the launchpad system rocks [04:39] <ogra> oh, its already working ? [04:39] <Nafallo> I've always interpreted the wiki as smurfix-approval needed and cc-announcement as a nice gesture :-) [04:39] <jsgotangco> ogra: it does [04:39] <Seveas> segfault, upload a CoC to launchpad [04:40] <ogra> yay [04:40] <mako> Nafallo: that's right [04:40] <smurfix> Nafallo: true [04:40] <ploum> my launchpad page is broken :-( [04:40] <jsgotangco> even supermirror on it works [04:40] <segfault> already there :) [04:40] <ondrej> everyone launchpad page is broken... [04:40] <Seveas> segfault, then you're set [04:40] <Nafallo> yay! I'm the infomaniac ;-) [04:40] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: really? I didn't see any supermirror stuff on launchpad recently [04:40] <jsgotangco> oh [04:40] <Seveas> next datetime...? [04:40] <segfault> nice! [04:40] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: i get segfault when doing a baz archive-mirror though [04:41] <segfault> that's not my fault :P [04:41] <smurfix> this time through, locos have been adding themselves to the CC agenda without my involvement, which is OK by me -- it's as good an announcement of "I think we're ready to be official" as any [04:42] <Nafallo> smurfix: you were on VAC ;-) [04:42] <Seveas> mako..? [04:42] <mako> Seveas: whats up? [04:42] <Nafallo> figured we would do approval on the CC because of that :-) [04:42] <Seveas> next datetime...? <-- [04:42] <mako> ah [04:42] <smurfix> Nafallo: I've been back long enough though ;-) [04:42] <mako> 22UTC two weeks from today [04:42] <Seveas> ok [04:42] <jsgotangco> ouch 22 again [04:42] <mitsuhiko> hi Yann2 [04:42] <jsgotangco> :) [04:43] <mako> no [04:43] <mako> lets do it a little earlier [04:43] <mako> 20 [04:43] <smurfix> mako: +1 [04:43] <jsgotangco> noooo [04:43] <Nafallo> smurfix: well, I've talked to you, didn't I? :-) [04:43] <rob^> 20 sound good to me [04:43] <mako> jsgotangco: you don't have to be here dude :) [04:43] <Seveas> See you all in 2 weeks then [04:43] <mako> jsgotangco: this is why we move it [04:43] <mako> jsgotangco: because not everyone can be at all of them :) [04:43] <jsgotangco> i like CC meetings even if its 4am [04:43] <mako> jsgotangco: we move it specifically so that you *don't* have to punish yourself [04:44] <mako> jsgotangco: dude, if it was at 4am, *i* would consider not making it :) [04:44] <jsgotangco> heh [04:44] <jsgotangco> it sucks to be the only one in this timezone at the moment [04:44] <Nafallo> meeting done? :-) [04:44] <ondrej> smurfix: maybe you should remove "AddYourSelfHere" from wiki page... :-) [04:44] <jsgotangco> i rarely get to attend TB at all [04:45] <Seveas> meeting is over :) [04:45] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: don't worry, I don't think I've seen a TB meeting for 2 months or more :) [04:46] <smurfix> ondrej: Actually, this way works reasonably well, and it's less work for me, so it'll stay ;-) [04:46] <mako> Seveas: thanks :) [04:46] <Seveas> mako, have a flessenlikker :) [04:46] <mako> Seveas: good call [04:46] <ondrej> mako: ubuntu.cz is entirely in Canonical hands... only thing left is that Canonical has to pay the bill :-) [04:46] <mako> i'm considering going back to sleep [04:46] <Seveas> sleep well [04:47] <jsgotangco> i should prepare to sleep ;) [04:47] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: yeah, ~3AM here now :) [04:48] <jsgotangco> christ i totally forgot ajmitch is in dunedin :) [04:48] <ajmitch> yeah, you going to be here at LCA in jan? [04:49] <jsgotangco> ill prepare for it [04:49] <ajmitch> great :) [06:21] <nmsa_KL> I missied it, I am looking for the MOM ...; have a good day ! [06:41] <ogra__> nmsa_KL, MOM ? [06:41] <nmsa_KL> minutes of meeting [06:42] <ogra__> heh... ok [06:42] <ogra__> nmsa_KL, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ [06:42] <ogra__> MOM == merge o matic btw :) [06:42] <ogra__> its a tool we use [06:44] <nmsa_KL> so it's not public ? [06:45] <nmsa_KL> aaa, sorry :) [08:52] <rbelem> fabbione,

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:39.010201

2005-08-21-#ubuntu-toolchain

[05:15] <fabbione> morning [10:46] <lamont> jbailey: if you're bored (or doko is) and want to help kyle with the gcc patch to fix GOT, that'd be really cool.... I really don't know if we have the same issue in gcc-3.4 or not, but I kinda fear that we do. [10:48] <jbailey> lamont: Is he in #parisc? [10:48] <jbailey> I don't really have time at the moment, but I'd like to at least follow his thoughts. [10:49] <doko> lamont: which one? [10:51] <lamont> Aug 15 17:42:06 <tausq> http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2005-08/msg00923.html [10:51] <lamont> Aug 15 17:42:16 <tausq> ^ jda's proposed patch for the glibc cffc problem [10:51] <lamont> hrm... although that may or may not be the GOT issuel. [10:52] <lamont> gcc.gnu.org/PR23369 [10:53] <lamont> actually, while very interesting, I don't think that's actually the GOT issue. [11:16] <doko> lamont: yes, I can add this one for breezy as well, that's hppa only [11:23] <lamont> doko: thanks. NFC if that fixes the GOT issue or not, but if you upload something with it in, I'll hammer through testing it

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:39.021197

2005-08-21-#edubuntu

[01:50] -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- This nickname is owned by someone else [01:50] -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> [01:50] -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Password accepted - you are now recognized [01:50] -MemoServ(MemoServ@services.)- You have no new memos [01:50] (fabbione/#edubuntu) test [01:50] (fabbione/#edubuntu) ok [01:50] (fabbione/#edubuntu) it works.. [01:50] (fabbione/#edubuntu) logs will be available on the web in an hour or so [01:50] (fabbione/#edubuntu) starting from now [02:06] <Petaris> Hello mhz [02:06] <mhz> hey, Petaris [02:07] <ogra> JaneW, Petaris is our first real edubuntu user ;) [02:07] <Petaris> still some work to be done though [02:07] <JaneW> yay :) [02:07] <mhz> indeed [02:07] <JaneW> Petaris: how's it looking? [02:08] <ogra> JaneW, he uses his own desktop environment on top.... [02:08] <Petaris> JaneW: Well I got a dumb-client up and running with icewm but haven't gotten farther than that [02:08] <JaneW> oic [02:08] <Petaris> I will need to do some desktop tweaking [02:09] <Petaris> also I want to use auto login and have all users use the same storage space [02:09] <Petaris> locking down the desktop so changes are not allowed will also be nessesary [02:10] <Petaris> but it is a good first step [02:11] <Petaris> Oh yeah, I almost forgot I got OpenOffice.org2 installed as well [02:11] <mhz> I have tried 3 times, unsuccessfully [02:11] <mhz> well, last install kind of worked [02:12] <Petaris> install of OO.org or of the ltsp? [02:12] <mhz> but took for ever to be up and running [02:12] <mhz> edubuntu [02:12] <Petaris> ahh [02:12] <ogra> mhz, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13496 [02:13] <Petaris> Hey, on a side note icewm loads immediatly (no wait time after login) [02:13] <ogra> we are currently working o this one... that blocks the language pack installation and breaks the install [02:13] <mhz> yes, icewm is quick [02:13] <mhz> Petaris: however, fluxbox is faster, AFAIK [02:13] <mhz> :) [02:13] <ogra> mhz, did you use the default edubuntu-desktop install in your tests ? [02:14] <mhz> I couldn't because there was a powercut downhere and I only got to 89% [02:14] <mhz> of the installation [02:14] <Petaris> ogra: is there a way to force the install on the languagepack? [02:14] <mhz> installation = after rebooting [02:14] <Petaris> like a -f flag [02:15] <ogra> Petaris, noe, but there is already a fix... it will be in the next CD build [02:15] <ogra> nope even [02:15] <Petaris> ok [02:15] <mhz> ogra: despite of the issues, you have been doing a good job [02:16] <ogra> thanks... others see that different :) [02:16] <mhz> the good thing is I finally have a thin laptop running Ubuntu (at least). I installed FROM WINDOWS :D [02:16] <ogra> wow... [02:17] <mhz> ogra: nah, "show me the code"... that's what really matters [02:17] <ogra> i which PXE wireless would work [02:17] <mhz> hehe [02:17] <ogra> whish even [02:18] <Petaris> What are you guys using for dumb-clients? [02:18] <mhz> it took me 2 days to actually understand a very stupid thing from HowTo's (1st Ubuntu wiki was outdated, 2nd 'append' means 'add to the end') [02:19] <ogra> i wouldnt call that dumb *g* [02:19] <Petaris> ahh [02:19] <Petaris> I use solarpc units [02:19] <ogra> its my only PXE capable machine [02:19] <Petaris> http://www.solarpc.com/ [02:19] <Petaris> See there [02:19] <Petaris> the company has been great to work with [02:20] <ogra> Petaris, cool [02:21] <Petaris> I ended up getting the server, 25 clients, monitors, keyboards, mice, and a gigabit switch (24pt) [02:21] <mhz> WOW [02:21] <Petaris> all for under $8,000 USD [02:21] <mhz> cool [02:22] <Petaris> The server has a single Opteron 242 and 4GB ram, with a pair of 160GB 7200rpm sata drives in raid 1 [02:23] <Petaris> the server is dual opteron capable though and there is a whole second bank for ram [02:23] <Petaris> I consider it a sweet deal [02:25] <mhz> ogra: i don't mean to push you at all, but I am running out of time with the timing for a presentation/demo. The congress in Peru is on the 23rd and ONE of the many things I have to prepare (and maybe the most important missing) is a Edubuntu Server. Do yo think I can download a 'working beta' (issues I can avoid before I sit down to actually install)?? [02:25] <mhz> Petaris: any chances you can wiki that info? [02:26] <Petaris> mhz: don't try to use a fake or on-board raid [02:26] <ogra> mhz, if you can live with one day delay, yes... i dont know how long the new CD build will take... but i guess tomorrow mornings daily should be installable [02:26] <Petaris> mhz: which info? The server specs? [02:27] <mhz> ogra: thank you very much for your understanding [02:27] <ogra> mhz, i sadly cant speed it up more... [02:27] <mhz> Petaris: yep, among other things. Your specs, how you did it, how you felt, how you feel about it, etc [02:28] <Petaris> mhz: are you doing the install in front of them, or just demoing it after [02:28] <mhz> ogra: don't worry, I 100% understand you. My 2 machines (1 celeron desktop and 1 thin 500 MHz laptop) work with 128 MB and have to deal with 5 powercuts a day :( [02:28] <Petaris> mhz: any specific place it should go in the wiki (wiki.ubuntu.org?) [02:29] <mhz> Petaris: I should start demoing. Next day, I should present a workshop [02:29] <Petaris> mhz: but you are not installing in front of them right? [02:29] <ogra> mhz, as soon as mdz wakes up, he'll be on a CD building spree... i'm very confident he'll use the whip at the right places to make it happen today :) [02:30] <Petaris> so a bit more complicated install could be done with out makeing the system look bad [02:30] <mhz> Petaris: wiki/ nop. The good thing about wikis is that you just visit the wiki, login, and write TheNameOfYourPage after the / on the url area [02:30] <mhz> the real wiki concept is fully 'horizontal' wrtiting or page creation [02:31] <Petaris> ahh [02:31] <mhz> (actually, that is the hardest thing to realize) [02:31] <mhz> and, if Edubuntu people think your page is missplaces, the just assign it to a diff position [02:32] <mhz> and you WILL always get to the page anyways [02:32] <mhz> :) [02:32] <Petaris> does launchpad.com share email addresses? [02:32] <mhz> 'share'? [02:32] <Petaris> yeah, with the public [02:32] <Petaris> I don't want spam [02:33] <mhz> hmmm, I guess you decide if email is shown or not [02:34] <mhz> AFAIK, i doubt default is 'shown' [02:34] <Petaris> alright [02:35] <mhz> Petaris: thx. The thing is that 99% of the times, whatever we chat here it stays here [02:35] <mhz> so important things as your experience, it is cool to be wikied [02:36] <Petaris> I don't have all that much experiance on ltsp, so it will be new for me, I am very curious about the load on the server with 25 active clients [02:37] <mhz> hhehe, fisrt impressions are as valid and interesting as experienced expectations [02:37] <ogra> you need much mem :) [02:37] <mhz> LOL [02:38] <mhz> Petaris: fisrt impressions give edubuntu devels more ideas on how to improve something they do [02:38] <Petaris> Yeah, Im not sure if the 1.8GHz Opteron and 4GB RAM can pull it off with 25 sessions of firefox, openoffice.org, and gimp [02:39] <Petaris> but we will see [02:39] <mhz> Petaris: c'mon! that's a lot [02:39] <mhz> huge machine [02:40] <ogra> Petaris, i know highvoltage builds such environments, according to him 4GB are good [02:41] <mhz> indeed [02:41] <mhz> Petaris: it all depends on how much you want stations to demand from the server [02:42] <Petaris> ogra: yeah, I emailed Paul Nelson at Riverdale high school about it a while ago [02:42] <Petaris> He thought it would be fine but suggested a second proc [02:42] <Petaris> but we will see [02:43] <Petaris> Paul is the head of K12LTSP [02:43] <Petaris> http://k12ltsp.org/contents.html [02:43] <Petaris> ogra: he may be able to help you guys out a bit [02:44] <ogra> i think mdz already works with the guys in #ltsp, i guess Paul is hanging around there [02:45] <Petaris> oh, I don't know about that, just that I've always found him helpful [02:45] <highvoltage> Petaris: we use Xeon 3ghz with 2GB RAM in tuxlabs with 20 computer [02:46] <Petaris> highvoltage: dual proc or single? [02:49] <Petaris> is there a reason we need to use gdm? [02:49] <highvoltage> Petaris: single [02:49] <highvoltage> gdm is cool. what else would you want to use? [02:49] <Petaris> xdm [02:49] <Petaris> it is small and light [02:50] <highvoltage> it is, but it won't be popular in schools. [02:50] <ogra> who uses gdm ? [02:50] <Petaris> I'm just wondering if ldm is dependant on gdm [02:50] <highvoltage> ogra: we use gdm, in edubuntu [02:50] <ogra> we use ldm in our ltsp implementation [02:50] <highvoltage> :) [02:50] <highvoltage> ah, right. [02:50] <ogra> highvoltage, edubuntu doesnt :) [02:50] <Petaris> ogra: so ldm is standalone then, right? [02:51] <highvoltage> how's ldm? i think i'll go look for a site. [02:51] <ogra> Petaris, ldm is a complete new login manager implementation in python [02:51] <ogra> highvoltage, there is no site.... [02:51] <ogra> its included in the ltsp package... [02:51] <Petaris> by the by ldm needs to be prettified, is there any easy way to tweak how it looks? [02:52] <highvoltage> ogra: is ldm only used in edubuntu atm? i haven't seen it anywhere before. [02:52] <Petaris> brb [02:52] <ogra> i'll write some instructions... you have to chroot into the ltsp environment and install another gtk engine to change the theme... for now we go with our default theme only [02:52] <ogra> highvoltage, mdz wrote it... i wrote the gui... [02:52] <ogra> its not fifnished yet [02:53] <highvoltage> wow. [02:53] <ogra> and, yes, only in edubuntu ltsp [02:53] <highvoltage> i've just started the download of the new cd. [02:53] <highvoltage> i really want to see this. [02:54] <ogra> highvoltage, wait for the next CD or rsync the updae to it... the current one is still broken... next is likely to be installable [02:54] <highvoltage> how does it's theming work? I suppose it won't use something big like the xml layouts that gdm uses. [02:54] <highvoltage> is it diffult to fix? the last one i downloaded i could get more or less booting. [02:55] <ogra> i hardcoded the theme engine it uses.... but you can change the gtkrc... i'll build a config file for the theme soon... [02:55] <ogra> it somehow looks like the gdm classic greeter with a theme... [02:57] <highvoltage> aah. so you get a background and a logo? :P [02:58] <ogra> currently a black background and a login box [03:03] <mhz> ogra: once edubuntu is installed, is there a GUI for LSTP or it is just a matter of running ltsp tools? Also, after installing, where do we set the option to install edubuntu onto the clients? [03:04] <Petaris> ok, back [03:04] <Petaris> I had to make coffee [03:04] <Petaris> :) [03:04] <ogra> mhz, there is no option to install anything on the clients... why would you want that ? [03:05] <ogra> they netboot from the server and open a ssh tunnel.... through this they run a x session on the server [03:05] <mhz> yes [03:05] <ogra> i started a admin tool, since teachertool doesnt work for us, but it doesnt look like i have enough time left to get it ready... [03:06] <Petaris> hrmm [03:06] <mhz> I may have understood wrong, but I do rememeber after last wed meeting here, someone mentioned it is possible to install linux onto the clients using Edubuntu [03:07] <ogra> you can do a standalone workstation install (for teachers at home) and a standalone ltsp server install for now in this release... [03:07] <mhz> ? [03:07] <ogra> oter features will be added in breezy+1 [03:08] <ogra> mhz, our target is to have a standalone ltsp/diskles client install out of the box... additionally you can install a version without the server stuff thats a standalone workstation [03:09] <mhz> yes, I get that part [03:09] <Petaris> ok, first thing to fix - Fonts in firefox [03:09] <ogra> we dont support any mid sized clients yet [03:10] <ogra> i.e. ltsp clients with disks... you will need to do that manually in this release.... it will be a feature of the next one [03:10] <Petaris> ogra: the firefox font issue is because of the languagepack issue right? [03:10] <ogra> Petaris, i dont have it, so i dont know... buit its likely to be a ff/cairo problem... [03:15] <mhz> ogra: Aug 10 08:45:28 <Kamion> you should be able to test netboot installs if you boot with apt-setup/universe=true, plus the other Edubuntu preseeds that are on the CD [03:15] <mhz> mhz: there's a netboot.tar.gz in /ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/installer-i386/current/images/ or somewhere like that in the archive [03:15] <ogra> mhz, that was about how to work around the CD brakage at this time, it has nothing to do with client installations [03:15] <mhz> that is still chineese to me [03:16] <mhz> ahhhhh [03:16] <mhz> so I am still forced to boot from CD [03:16] <mhz> ? [03:16] <mhz> or other media [03:16] <mhz> or from Windows [03:17] <ogra> ?? [03:17] <ogra> for the client ? [03:17] <mhz> yes [03:17] <ogra> it boots via PXE from the network by default... you dont install anything on it [03:17] <mhz> i know [03:17] <ogra> asll installed stuff is on the server [03:17] <mhz> but IF I need to install onto thinclients? [03:17] <ogra> all even [03:18] <ogra> you dont [03:18] <mhz> I do [03:18] <mhz> :) [03:18] <mhz> LTSP is about not installing, I get that [03:18] <ogra> if a privileged user installs something on the clients, he effectively installs on the server [03:18] <mhz> but IF I do need to install linux on the clients? [03:19] <ogra> why ? [03:19] <ogra> you dont need *any* OS on the clients [03:19] <mhz> because in Chile, some schools come with MS windows (based on a stupid agreement with MS and Gov) [03:19] <ogra> just a PXE capable network card... all your softeare is on the server [03:20] <mhz> and some people still prefer to give Teachers and students the option to work on a network (LTSP would be great for that) and also to work off network (may take the pc home for a weekend) [03:21] <mhz> for those OFF network, I'd need a quick install option [03:22] <ogra> yes, the single workstation i mentioned before... [03:22] <mhz> I am presenting a project to Chilean Gov. about giving Teachers laptops (600 MHz, 192 MB, 12 GB HDD) [03:22] <ogra> its just not possible to combine it, you can only use either one... [03:22] <mhz> ok, I get that too [03:22] <ogra> thats on our roadmap for breezy+1 as i said [03:23] <mhz> but these thin laptops have only HD, no Cd nor Floppy [03:23] <mhz> ok. [03:23] <mhz> so let me see If I understand right this time: [03:23] <Petaris> Anyone know if it is possible to get ltsp to authenticate off of ActiveDir? [03:23] <ogra> ok, for these you can do a netboot install [03:23] <ogra> Petaris, not yet... also a breezy+1 feature... [03:23] <mhz> ogra: now you got me confused again [03:24] <mhz> :D [03:24] <mhz> so let me see If I understand right this time: [03:24] <mhz> Edubuntu is designed 100% LTSP, [03:24] <Petaris> ogra: your kidding right? You think it will be possible? [03:24] <ogra> mhz, you can install a linux system over the network.... this info is totally independent from all edubuntu talk [03:24] <ogra> you can use even a netboot image to install edubuntu [03:25] <Petaris> ogra: I was seriously consider switching to eDirectory to be able to authenticate [03:25] <ogra> but you cant use a standalone installed edubutnu system to connect to a ltsp server for now [03:25] <mhz> ogra: yes, but to do that, clients still need to get to the server side and get it from there, otherwise, they continue booting from windows and therefore, no install will proceed [03:26] <ogra> Petaris, we'll most likely have a LDAP/Kreberos environment in breezy+1 so it should be possible [03:26] <mhz> so Edubuntu is ONLY LTSP so far, and may include Server Boot Install capabilities in the future [03:26] <mhz> ogra: is that correct? [03:26] <ogra> mhz, they need to boot the installer from the network... but thats only about installing, not about working [03:26] <mhz> yes [03:26] <Petaris> ogra: cool [03:27] <mhz> ogra: and to do that, PXE is just the 1st step. the server side has to be preconfigured to provide the netboot files [03:28] <ogra> yes [03:28] <mhz> and that is not on this current Edubuntu scope, right? [03:28] <ogra> its not in edubutnu scope at all... thats basic installation stuff... [03:28] <mhz> yes [03:28] <mhz> so I have finally cleared my confussion [03:29] <mhz> sorry for the 'mess' [03:29] <ogra> you just need the netboot image from the installer... what you install with it is up to you [03:29] <mhz> hehehe [03:29] <mhz> yes [03:29] <Petaris> ogra: I uninstalled the mozilla-firefox package and installed the firefox package and now I have fonts [03:29] <ogra> but it would probably a interesting idea to have a option on the server for that... we have a spec for network wide installs that may cove it [03:30] <mhz> but still, for school options, that means I will have to provide 2 settings: Edubuntu (LTSP) and Debian BootServer [03:30] <ogra> Petaris, hwere did you get mozilla-firefox ?? thats not a breezy package [03:30] <mhz> ogra: please, understand that I am only talking from a Chilean teacher perspective [03:30] <ogra> mhz, as an option... [03:31] <ogra> why should i build a special boot server, ltsp has everything in place (tftp etc) it could be possible to have an option on the server, no need for a extra machine... [03:32] <mhz> that was my initial idea that started this confussion [03:32] <ogra> i'll consider it for breezy+1 but its not there now... [03:32] <mhz> okidoki [03:32] <ogra> and i think its covered by the mentioned spec [03:32] <mhz> I am glad you clarified that to me [03:32] <mhz> because I was designing my presentation based on that DUAL capability :D [03:33] <mhz> and now it's only LTSP [03:33] <ogra> s/now/currently [03:33] <ogra> ;) [03:33] <mhz> actually one of the openings was "the solution to schools lab and teachers problems" [03:34] <mhz> it still is a solution, just not the total solution [03:34] <mhz> but the begining [03:34] <ogra> yes, its our first release.... we start small... [03:35] <mhz> Basically, my concern is that "Edulinux" is being developed by the Gov and some people, based on RedHat. [03:35] <mhz> In chile, we have set up a ubuntu community [03:35] <ogra> over how many releases can you upgrade that without a complete reinstall ? [03:36] <mhz> and a free software for education community. So Edubuntu was the ideal link [03:36] <ogra> the big drawback of RPM based systems is the upgradebility [03:36] <mhz> indeed [03:36] <ogra> you can upgrade a debian system over several releases without even thinking about it... its just one command... [03:37] <highvoltage> ogra: most rpm systems aren't too bad imho. you can even use apt. it still doesn't beat a debian system... [03:37] <mhz> hence one of the projects I am on at the moment, was to actually provide Pcs + LSTP + InstallationServer + Support + Training [03:37] <highvoltage> ogra: i think that's also an overstatement. i upgraded a potato box to sarge and did have few, minor issues. [03:37] <mhz> all in one simple pack [03:37] <ogra> highvoltage, the question is, does issuing "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and going away for 1h work ? [03:38] <ogra> highvoltage, yes, because you missed woody [03:38] <mhz> ogra: good point [03:38] <mhz> you need to go step by step [03:38] <ogra> you need to upgrade to the next version, if you do that you mostly dont even need to touch the box, its ready after a reboot [03:38] <highvoltage> ogra: i've done it before from FC1 to FC3 for a school, and it worked. [03:39] <highvoltage> I also used it on a SuSE box from SuSE 9.0 to 9.3. that also went fine. [03:39] <ogra> highvoltage, thats very rare [03:39] <mhz> is 9.0 to 9.3 the same as 8.0 to 9.0 ?? [03:39] <ogra> (working SuSE upgrades) [03:39] <highvoltage> ogra: i'm not arguing with you. I just think that it's a bit of an overstatement to say that you don't even have to think about it. [03:39] <mhz> I mean in terms of version [03:40] <highvoltage> there are often things to consider. [03:40] <ogra> highvoltage, but its true [03:40] <ogra> highvoltage, did you try to upgrade warty to hoary ? its 3 commands and you are set... [03:40] <mhz> if you go from Xfree to x.org? yes, things to consider [03:40] <ogra> no touching of the system at all [03:40] <ogra> mhz, nope [03:41] <highvoltage> mhz: xfree to xorg went smooth form me. [03:41] <mhz> ogra: highvoltage: things to consider = 99% freedom to 100% freedom [03:41] <mhz> :) [03:42] <highvoltage> ogra: i've dist-upgraded between knoppix -> sarge -> sid -> warty -> back to sid again, without much problems. I have lots of faith in APT. [03:42] <highvoltage> however, [03:42] <ogra> mhz, highvoltage we (ubuntu) guaratee that upgardes between nonmodified releases work out of the box [03:42] <highvoltage> i've dist-upgraded on servers before and for some reasons postfix won't work. [03:42] <highvoltage> and that needed some fixing. [03:42] <mhz> I have gone from potato to woody with no issues, and from woody to sarge with no issues [03:42] <ogra> highvoltage, if you use knoppix as a base your system is broken before you start [03:42] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, i'll accept that. [03:42] <Petaris> ogra: with apt [03:43] <highvoltage> ogra: it is? [03:43] <ogra> highvoltage, yes, a knoppix installation has not much to do with a debian system anymore... they just copy over the CD to HD ... [03:43] <ogra> with a lot of incompatibility [03:44] <ogra> since its not designed as a install system [03:44] <highvoltage> ogra: the dpkg databases, etc are all still intact, and dist-upgrades to other debian systems went well for me. [03:44] <highvoltage> but yes, i agree with you. [03:45] <ogra> btw the path knoppix -> sarge -> sid -> warty cant work [03:45] <highvoltage> ogra: i promise you it did. [03:45] <ogra> you end up with a debian system with some warty packages [03:45] <ogra> it didnt [03:45] <ogra> you had a mixed system [03:46] <highvoltage> okay. perhaps i did. now that i think of it, i remember seeing a knoppix in the init line when it booted. [03:46] <ogra> sid is/was newer then warty except for a period of 2 months... apt doesnt downgrade without being forced [03:46] <highvoltage> but the dist-upgrades did go fine, and the system looked and worked like an ordinary ubuntu machine. [03:47] <highvoltage> ah, this was also more than a year ago. [03:47] <ogra> yes, but you have mostly debian systems in there [03:47] <highvoltage> or at least, when i upgraded to sid, that was before warty [03:47] <ogra> i'm cursing people doing that a lot, because they send totally broken hwdb entrys to me that confuse everything (debians hal is newer, but missing all hwdb enhancements) [03:48] <ogra> and that goes for the majority of packages... [03:48] <highvoltage> i don't do that on any machines anymore, though. [03:48] <ogra> even if it looks like a ubuntu system, it will break heavily at one place or you end up with a plain debian [03:49] <highvoltage> back then it was just upgrading the various systems that i had to ubuntu. [03:49] <highvoltage> since then i've done some cleanups and re-installed. [03:49] <ogra> one upgrade will pull in a wrong library... [03:49] <ogra> that will break everything... [03:49] <highvoltage> will apt allow that though? i mean, it knows what versions of libraries programs need to run? [03:50] <ogra> breezy will be eve worse ( but hopefully wont work at all) since we already use a new gcc and libc... [03:50] <jsgotangco> yay [03:50] <ogra> highvoltage, apt relies on the sanity of the archive... thats only guven if you dont mix your surces.list entrys between different distributors [03:50] <highvoltage> that i understand. do you think ubuntu-debian compatibility will get worse, or better, as time goes by? [03:51] <jsgotangco> i love to being in this growing confusion [03:51] <ogra> they are two different things all devs shout very loud not to mix ubuntu and debian packages since warty is out... its proven to brak at some point [03:52] <ogra> i.e. we use language packs, debian doesnt... that *must* break.... [03:53] <ogra> our libc is compiled with gcc, debian just starts that transition [03:53] <ogra> s/gcc/gcc4 [03:53] !lilo:*! Hi all. We had some compile difficulties on the testnet and we're now ready to reup. [03:53] <ogra> our c++ librarys have totally different binary names [03:54] <highvoltage> long term though, is it likely to get worse, or better? [03:54] <ogra> we have a totally different Xserver implementation [03:54] <ogra> it will stay the same, dont use debian packages in ubuntu atll [03:54] <ogra> all [03:54] <highvoltage> i mean, debian might implement the language packs, etc too in the future, and they might plan their releases in such a way to maitain compatibility (big job probably) [03:55] <ogra> we use our own build system, we'll never be 100% compatible... and our schedule doesnt match any debian schaduel so either we or they are bnewer [03:55] <highvoltage> ok. [03:56] <highvoltage> i accept it, but i'll admit that i don't like it. [03:56] <jsgotangco> you can also think that we're too advanced for debian itself at the moment :) [03:57] <ogra> its not possible to be binary compatible all over the place between the two different approaches... one is always ahead of the other.... debian is behind us currently, but will pass us after release [03:58] <jsgotangco> yes but by then we have another one in development because we're alway in sid [03:58] <ogra> jsgotangco, yes, i talk about releases [03:58] <jsgotangco> ahh [04:09] <Petaris> I liked portage far better than apt [04:17] <Petaris> right, now to create a standard interface [04:17] <Petaris> Where can I set-up default profile info for the dumb-clients [04:18] <Petaris> I suppose I create a user and modify that profile then point all ltsp users at that profile? [04:19] <Petaris> highvoltage: how do you handle logins? [04:20] <Petaris> do you asign usernames and passwords, or do you have just one generic username/password or do you use autologin? [04:20] <highvoltage> Petaris: nothing fancy. usually pam, sometimes a little NIS where appropriate, sometimes ldap. [04:20] <highvoltage> in tuxlabs, we create default guest acounts [04:20] <highvoltage> tux1, tux2, tux3, etc. [04:20] <Petaris> ok [04:21] <highvoltage> so that kids can start using the lab the minute we're done. after that the teachers and computer prefects need to add more users. [04:21] <Petaris> do you have them login or does it just automatically login on boot [04:21] <highvoltage> manually log in. [04:21] <ogra> in edubuntu, just create the users with the user management tool from the admin desktop [04:21] <ogra> every user you create has access ... [04:21] <Petaris> what user managemnet tool? [04:22] <Petaris> useradd? [04:22] <Petaris> :p [04:22] <ogra> sad [04:22] <ogra> because that tool is tailored for ubuntu/edubuntu [04:23] <ogra> install gnome-system-tools and use the user-admin tool [04:23] <Petaris> useradd can be your friend too :) [04:23] <ogra> you can have different profiles there [04:23] <Petaris> ogra: will that install gnome as well? [04:23] <ogra> sure, but adding a user tzo the right groups can be a PITA [04:24] <ogra> gnome libs [04:24] <Petaris> lets see, they need audio and what else? [04:24] <Petaris> they don't need wheel [04:24] <Petaris> or cdrom [04:25] <Petaris> or burning [04:25] <Petaris> hrm [04:25] <Petaris> I think they only need audio unless there is an ltsp group [04:26] <Petaris> highvoltage: do you use independant user profiles or do you have all accounts reference the same profile? [04:26] <highvoltage> independent. [04:26] <Petaris> or do you reference a template [04:26] <Petaris> ahh [04:27] <highvoltage> a template, called skeletux. although it's very messy at this stage. [04:27] <Petaris> do you have a shared storage space? [04:27] <highvoltage> yes. [04:27] <Petaris> hmm [04:27] <highvoltage> /home/shared, and there's a shortcut on the desktop to it, which is also a samba share. [04:27] <Petaris> cool [04:27] <Petaris> thats what I was thinking of doing [04:28] <ogra> highvoltage, would you like to take a look at sabayon ? we'll most likely use it for the privileged stuff.... [04:29] <highvoltage> ogra: okay, i made a note of it. i have meetings tonight and tomorrow night, so i'll be able to look at it on thursday. [04:29] <jsgotangco> ogra: are we including sabayon? [04:29] <ogra> highvoltage, take your time... it would just be nice to have somebody additionally looking at it... i'll do it anyway... [04:30] <highvoltage> ogra: JaneW says you're taking too much on for yourself :) [04:30] <ogra> jsgotangco, a thing i'll still have to discuss with mdz, but its the tool that comes near a kiosk mode :) [04:30] <jsgotangco> indeed [04:31] <highvoltage> ok. gtg now. take care everyone! [04:31] <ogra> ciao highvoltage [04:31] <jsgotangco> ciao [04:31] <highvoltage> ciao ogra and jsgotangco [04:31] <Petaris> latter highvoltage [04:31] <highvoltage> l8r Petaris [04:32] <Petaris> some day I really need to learn how to spell, hehe [04:33] <ogra> Petaris, edubuntu will come with a lot of spellchecking capabilitys ;) [04:33] <Petaris> haha, good [04:35] <JaneW> nod [04:36] <Petaris> http://www.projectblackdog.com/site/product.html [04:36] <Petaris> check this out [04:37] <Petaris> off topic I know, but cool none the less [04:52] <mhz> jsgotangco: I read your email about svn for cookbook source [04:53] <mhz> it was you, weren't you? [04:57] <jsgotangco> hi [04:57] <jsgotangco> mhz: you have a better idea? [04:59] <mhz> well, I was/am the one suggesting Moin :) [04:59] <jsgotangco> yes im aware of that, what im asking is if its workable in our current moin [05:01] <jsgotangco> because we only have a few weeks before documentation freeze [05:08] <jsgotangco> mhz: ? [05:09] <jsgotangco> k [05:15] <JaneW> *** Reminder MEETING NOTICE: Next meeting is scheduled for 22:00 UTC Wednesday 17 Aug on #ubuntu-meeting. *** [05:15] <JaneW> tomorrow [05:16] <ogra_afk> hopefully with a working CD :) [05:16] <jsgotangco> grr [05:16] <jsgotangco> 22 [05:16] <jsgotangco> that's 6am [05:17] <JaneW> sigh it was meant to be a BETTER time for you [05:17] <ogra_afk> make it 23 [05:18] <jsgotangco> no i'll just try to wake up early [05:18] <JaneW> 11pm! [05:18] <JaneW> YAWN [05:18] <jsgotangco> huh? [05:18] <ogra> JaneW, hey, i have some at 1am :) [05:18] <jsgotangco> its already 11pm on my side now [05:18] <LinuxJones> JaneW, what timezone is UTC for what area ? [05:19] <jsgotangco> i don't even feel sleepy [05:19] <ogra> LinuxJones, date -u [05:19] <JaneW> UTC is universal time [05:19] <JaneW> = GMT [05:19] <LinuxJones> ahh ty [05:19] <JaneW> LinuxJones: where are you? [05:20] <LinuxJones> JaneW, Eastern Canada in the Atlantic Time Zone [05:20] <JaneW> omg I thought I made it 20:00 - 22:00 is 12am! [05:21] <JaneW> can we change it to 20:00? or any other time? [05:21] <ogra> sure [05:21] <jsgotangco> 20 is 4am [05:21] <jsgotangco> sure [05:21] <ogra> heh [05:21] <JaneW> gah! [05:21] <mhz> re [05:21] <JaneW> ok make some suggestions [05:21] <ogra> jsgotangco, so you can decide to stay up long or stand up early [05:22] <mhz> LOL [05:22] <LinuxJones> heh [05:22] <JaneW> we haven;t given the Americas a chance yet (all meetings being at 12:00UTC so far) [05:22] <JaneW> but that works well for me [05:22] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i prefer to say to myself that i live in the wrong place at the moment, working with you gusy [05:22] <jsgotangco> guys [05:22] <JaneW> luckilly I am in the middle of everyone so it's never TOO bad [05:23] <ogra> JaneW, since k12 is our main target, we should start caring for the americans soon :) [05:23] <JaneW> ok so what time are we doing it? [05:23] <mhz> I live in South America, chile. so 22PM UTC would be 18 PM ??? [05:23] <JaneW> 22:00? [05:23] <ogra> after release this meetings will get fuller i guess [05:23] <jsgotangco> indeed [05:24] <JaneW> mhz: I think so [05:24] <JaneW> jsgotangco: will you be there at 22:00? cos if not I'm moving it to 20:00 - ok? [05:24] <jsgotangco> 22 is fine with me [05:24] <JaneW> dang [05:24] <JaneW> ok [05:25] <jsgotangco> but you should consider the majority [05:25] <jsgotangco> so if its 20, i will try [05:25] <jsgotangco> we don't meet every now and then [05:25] <JaneW> 4am? that's just mean [05:26] <mhz> 4am? just perfect for a mokaccino [05:26] <mhz> :) [05:26] <jsgotangco> JaneW: thank the saviour that i don't live in Sydney [05:26] <mhz> I endup a class at 18:00 :( [05:26] <JaneW> mhz: local time in Santiago is 4 hours behind UTC [05:27] <mhz> yep [05:27] <mhz> but not in ubunut wiki server :) [05:28] <JaneW> mhz so you want it earlier or later? [05:28] <jsgotangco> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2005&month=8&day=17&hour=22&min=0&sec=0 [05:28] <ogra> JaneW, and miss all the fun today ? [05:28] <mhz> I prefer a bit later so I can get to it, but I am usually almost zero help :D [05:29] <JaneW> ogra: what time does the fun start? [05:29] <ogra> JaneW, if mdz gets up ? [05:29] <jsgotangco> yeah [05:29] <JaneW> ogra: lol [05:29] <jsgotangco> yoga [05:29] <JaneW> I'll try to pop in later, but it looks to be a LATE night tomorrow... [05:29] <jsgotangco> you don't look like a yoga person [05:29] <JaneW> yes [05:29] <jsgotangco> to me [05:29] <ogra> quoting #u-d topic: Colony 3 will release today: don't break anything [05:30] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I don't? ;) [05:30] <ogra> jsgotangco, huh ? how do "yoga persons" look ? like walking nodes ? [05:30] <jsgotangco> hmm so you can bend yourself silly? [05:30] <ogra> s/nodes/knots [05:30] <jsgotangco> like a twister champ? [05:30] <JaneW> jsgotangco: but I counter balance that with kata box - so I can relax and/or beat people up depending on which urge is stronger ;P [05:31] <JaneW> lol [05:31] <ogra> :) [05:31] <JaneW> ogra: you;re far to nice to beat up :) [05:31] <JaneW> besides I can only do it if there's music with the right beat playing! [05:31] <ogra> hehe.... my GF would say different sometimes :) [05:32] <JaneW> hehehe [05:32] <JaneW> ok I must go, I guess the meeting time stays as is... [05:33] <ogra> yup, have fun... and dont forget: "only bend, dont break" ;) [05:34] <jsgotangco> she must have very strong bones [05:53] <jsgotangco> good night [05:54] <Petaris> hrm, why can't I find blackdown in apt [05:54] <Petaris> what is used for java? [05:54] <ogra__> should be in multiverse [05:55] <Petaris> I'll check my sources.list file [05:55] <Petaris> I have no multiverse [05:55] <Petaris> hrm [05:56] <ogra__> add it [05:56] <Petaris> what mirror should I add? [05:56] <ogra__> blackdown is supposed to be there for breezy, i'm not sure if it got moved there aleready [05:56] <Petaris> just use the us.archive.org mirror? [05:57] <ogra__> yup [05:57] <Petaris> ok [05:59] <Petaris> apparently not ther yet [05:59] <Petaris> s/ther/there [06:00] <ogra__> nope, i just asked doko in #ubuntu-devel ... its not in yet [06:00] <Petaris> bugger, I need it to run jedit [06:01] <Petaris> guess I'll just have to use nano for now [06:01] <ogra__> there is a Java wikipage, look at that one for blackdown sources.list entrys [06:02] <mpt> Just what the world needs, three ogras [06:03] <ogra__> heh [06:03] <ogra__> there he goes [06:26] <highvoltage> hmmm... i upgraded to hoary latest and now thunderbird doesn't start up. any idea? [06:38] <highvoltage> alt+f2 and alt+tab doesn't work either. [06:41] <ogra__> nope, ask pitti, i think he made the updated apckages for hoary [06:41] <ogra__> packages too [10:56] <mdz> * Added openssh-server to server-i386, server-amd64, server-powerpc [10:56] <mdz> * Added dhcp3-server to server-i386, server-amd64, server-powerpc [10:56] <mdz> ogra: ^ ??? [10:57] <ogra> mdz, sure... we want ltsp out of te box, dont we ? ltsp-server only has arecommends for openssh-server [10:59] <mdz> ogra: ltsp-server doesn't give you ltsp out of the box [10:59] <mdz> that is what ltsp-standalone-server is [10:59] <ogra> oops... so dhcp is to much, i see [11:00] <mdz> it is not only too much, it won't work, because dhcp3-server will be unconfigured [11:01] <ogra> i'll create a config with the -config package later... for testing users can modify the file from /etc/ltsp [11:01] <mdz> why would you want to do something different than what Ubuntu is doing? [11:03] <ogra> mdz, how else should i get ltsp out of the box ? i need a working dhcp.conf [11:04] <ogra> s/dhcp.conf/dhcpd.conf [11:04] <mdz> ogra: that is what ltsp-server-standalone does [11:05] <mdz> that is what the file in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf is [11:05] <ogra> hmm, not for me yet... how does it determine the ip range etc ? additionally the tftp server is disabled by default and portmap blocks nfs connections [11:06] <ogra> so i will have to make some basic changes for a working config... at least thats what i expirienced here until now... [11:07] <ogra> i didnt know you intended to change nfs and tftp services with ltsp-server-standalone... so these are bus then... [11:07] <ogra> bugs even [11:16] <mdz> ogra: ltsp-server has configured nfs exports since version 0.25 [11:16] <mdz> ogra: in June [11:16] <mdz> ogra: and tftp requires no configuration [11:16] <ogra> it does, in /etc/defaults ... its disabled... [11:17] <ogra> at least for me... even after installing l-s-s [11:18] <ogra> the exports are configured fine, but the nfs-kernel-server isnt started and portmap still listens on lo for me... [11:18] <mdz> ogra: the default for portmap should be to listen on all interfaces [11:19] <ogra> OPTIONS="-i 127.0.0.1" [11:19] <ogra> from /etc/default/portmap [11:19] <ogra> #Defaults for tftpd-hpa [11:19] <ogra> RUN_DAEMON="no" [11:19] <ogra> OPTIONS="-l -s /var/lib/tftpboot" [11:20] <mdz> then someone broke it [11:20] <mdz> RUN_DAEMON is irrelevant [11:20] <mdz> it runs from inetd by default [11:20] <ogra> from /etc/default/tftpd-hpa [11:20] <mdz> but please do fix portmap [11:20] <mdz> it was only set to 127.0.0.1 for fam in hoary [11:21] <ogra> did we exclude it in breezy from the desktop ? [11:23] <mdz> it is in universe [11:23] <ogra> ah, found it [11:23] <mdz> and has been for months [11:23] <ogra> NFS is explicitly not here, because it brings in nasties like portmap, and because the network will need to be running before it can be used, so we may as well put that in Supported. [11:23] <ogra> great :) [11:32] <ogra> mdz, portmap isnt in universe... (luckily... i was fearing another main inclusion report already) its just not in base anymore... [11:33] <ogra> s/base/minimal [11:34] <mdz> ogra: ? [11:34] <mdz> ogra: fam is in universe [11:34] <mdz> ogra: portmap was part of desktop in hoary because we had fam in desktop, and fam required portmap [11:34] <mdz> so we changed portmap to listen only on localhost by default for security reasons [11:35] <mdz> now we don't have fam in desktop anymore (it's moved to universe), and portmap's default was supposed to be changed back [11:35] <ogra> yep... i was reading the above as portmap is in universe... which shocked me a bit :) [11:37] <ogra> mpt, our two current usecases are one classroom (ltsp standalone setup) or teachers home (workstation standalone setup) thats what we worked out at the summit for the first release... [11:38] <ogra> (teachers home can as well be pupils home indeed) [11:38] <mdz> I just uploaded portmap fixing the default [11:38] <mdz> that was supposed to change months ago and I thought it had [11:38] <ogra> oh, i was just on it [11:39] <ogra> i bet someone thinks he has changed that.... [11:39] <ogra> if [ "$1" = "configure" ] && [ -n "$2" ] && dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt "5-7ubuntu2"; then [11:42] <mdz> that's for upgrades [11:42] <mdz> the default in debian/templates was wrong [11:43] <ogra> ah, yes [12:02] <Petaris> Well I'm off [12:02] <Petaris> bye all

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2005-08-21-#ubuntu-motu

[12:06] <crimsun> mbreit: done. You should have received the e-mail. [12:10] <mbreit> crimsun: thanks!! [12:30] <thierry> Lathiat : what is going on with gnunet and gnome-chemistry-utils, have they been fixed? [03:05] <dabaR> if anyone is an op on #ubuntu, please come and devoice this one guy that is just totally annoying with his public away every 5 minutes. [03:32] <ajmitch> hey jsgotangco [03:32] <ajmitch> how's it going? [03:33] <jsgotangco> hey [03:33] <jsgotangco> not bad just checking the lists at the moment [03:33] <jsgotangco> i should get my laptop today [03:33] <ajmitch> great [03:33] <ajmitch> I haven't heard if mine has even been sent yet [03:34] <jsgotangco> robitaille also gets a dell but no word on shipment either [03:34] <ajmitch> ah so you know what others are getting? [03:35] <jsgotangco> only some people [03:35] <ajmitch> right [03:35] <ajmitch> how's the docteam going? [03:36] <jsgotangco> i've been busy on edubuntu lately, mgalvin is helping out on the packaging [03:36] <jsgotangco> we could probably ship at least 2 references [03:36] <jsgotangco> then plan ahead instead of cramming midway [03:36] <ajmitch> hey mgalvin [03:36] <jsgotangco> speak of the devil [03:36] <ajmitch> heh [03:36] <jsgotangco> here is our packager [03:37] <ajmitch> for a moment I thought you just invited him in :) [03:37] <jsgotangco> he's been working with enrico [03:37] <ajmitch> ok [03:37] <mgalvin> hey ajmitch [03:38] <mgalvin> hey all [03:38] <mgalvin> mwahahaha [03:38] <ajmitch> I'll look forward to some good docs for breezy then :) [03:39] <jsgotangco> yeah we'll eventually move into baz later on [03:39] <ajmitch> I've started using bazaar-ng, which is looking a lot nicer to use [03:39] <mgalvin> yea enrico and i went over the ubuntu-docs package and it works, only thing left is finial decisions on what docs to include and make sure the install location is ok with the dev team [03:39] <ajmitch> ie, less than 100 commands :) [03:40] <ajmitch> bazaar-ng is still missing a few things, but is certainly good enough for real work [03:41] <jsgotangco> baz-ng is going to be baz 2.0 right? [03:43] <ajmitch> yep [03:44] <ajmitch> I'm glad there are daily snapshot debs available [04:13] <marcin> hi all [04:13] <marcin> I got a question about debian vs ubuntu repository [04:13] <ajmitch> ok [04:13] <marcin> afaik when I want to prepare some package for ubuntu [04:14] <marcin> then if there already is simmilar package for debian [04:14] <ajmitch> similar, as in the same software? [04:14] <marcin> then I should refer to this package [04:14] <marcin> yes [04:14] <ajmitch> yes, that is generally how we work [04:15] <marcin> somepackage-1.0-1.deb [04:15] <ajmitch> there are some exceptions, but we try to minimise the changes from debian [04:15] <marcin> and then I should name my package somepackage-1.0-1ubuntu1.deb [04:15] <marcin> right? [04:15] <ajmitch> marcin: only if you're making changes to that debian package with version 1.0-1 [04:15] <ajmitch> which I assume is what you're asking about [04:16] <marcin> ajmitch: not exactly [04:16] <marcin> ajmitch: in fact my question is - to what debian repository I should refer to? [04:16] <ajmitch> we work off unstable [04:18] <marcin> ajmitch: ok [04:18] <ajmitch> marcin: what package is it, and what changes are you wanting to make? [04:18] <ajmitch> hey siretart [04:18] <marcin> ajmitch: well currently it is color-theme for emacs [04:18] <marcin> ajmitch: color-theme.el [04:19] <ajmitch> right [04:19] <marcin> ajmitch: and there is no such package in debian (afaik) [04:19] <marcin> ajmitch: but I found this package in http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool [04:20] <ajmitch> ah, mentors.debian.net is quite unofficial [04:20] <ajmitch> and can't be called 'debian' in that sense [04:20] <ajmitch> I'd say that the package is badly named there, too [04:20] <marcin> and this is why I ask here [04:20] <jdong> ok, then I'd like to request clamav 0.86.2's inclusion in Breezy -- 0.86.1 will not detect a couple sigs because of an old engine... [04:21] <marcin> ajmitch: why? [04:21] <ajmitch> because it doesn't mention emacs at all - greater chance for namespace collision [04:22] <ajmitch> jdong: sure, I'll request a sync from elmo [04:22] <ajmitch> jdong: I think this is a reasonable package for UVF breaking, due to being so volatile [04:23] <marcin> ajmitch: well that's another question [04:23] <ajmitch> ah, 0.86.2 also fixes security holes.. [04:24] <marcin> ajmitch: is there any 'official' naming convention for emacs packages? [04:24] <ajmitch> will have to make sure that the data & other reverse depends aren't adversely affected [04:24] <ajmitch> marcin: I don't know, as I'm not involved in emacs packaging [04:24] <ajmitch> I'd assume there'd be at least some standard [04:25] <marcin> ajmitch: an easy way is to name every emacs related package with 'emacs' prefix [04:25] <marcin> ajmitch: but currently it doesn't work in this way in ubuntu [04:26] <ajmitch> ubuntu packages are just debian packages, I don't think there's anything new we've introduced [04:26] <marcin> ajmitch: we got jde, css-mode, gnus etc. [04:26] <ajmitch> yep [04:27] <marcin> ajmitch: so this is why color-theme is not something unusual [04:27] <marcin> ajmitch: in fact emacs-color-theme could be [04:27] <ajmitch> color-theme-el wouldn't be, afaik [04:29] <marcin> ajmitch: well I really don't like this convention at all [04:29] <bmonty> the ubuntu wiki says that hoary can "automagically" detect the best download mirror and use it, anyone know if hoary has that capability? [04:32] <marcin> ajmitch: so, if I want to prepare color-theme package for ubuntu and this package is not available in debian unstable [04:33] <marcin> ajmitch: then how should I name this package? [04:33] <marcin> ajmitch: current version number is 6.5.5 [04:34] <marcin> ajmitch: color-theme_6.5.5-1ubuntu0.all.deb ? [04:34] <marcin> ajmitch: color-theme-el_6.5.5-1ubuntu0.all.deb? [04:41] <ajmitch> 0ubuntu1, not 1ubunt0 [04:44] <marcin> ajmitch: ok [04:44] <marcin> ajmitch: and what about name? [04:44] <marcin> ajmitch: emacs-color-theme? color-theme? color-theme-el? [04:47] <ajmitch> I don't know [04:47] <ajmitch> I'd suggest using the -el suffix, just because that is what I've seen other packages use [04:49] <mgalvin> does revu send emails to the MOTU's when uploads are made? [04:49] <marcin> ajmitch: ehh ok but it sucks extremely [04:50] <marcin> ajmitch: almost every other package which belongs to some 'family' uses prefix instead of suffix [04:51] <marcin> ajmitch: like python, zope, gnome, php, perl etc. [04:57] <ajmitch> most perl libs use a suffix [04:57] <ajmitch> as do mono libs [04:59] <mgalvin> at any rate, i just uploaded a gperfection2 icon theme package in case anyone can take a peek at it (and tell me how bad it is ;)) [05:00] <marcin> ajmitch: most perl libs - because they are libs - so they have names like libsomething-something-perl [05:03] <ajmitch> I honestly don't see why we're debating debian's naming policy for something that I'm not involved in [05:04] <marcin> well right but question is if we could drop debian policy [05:05] <marcin> (in fact I cannot see any policy in these package names - jsut mess and chaos but anyway) [05:05] <marcin> and we could just use someting different for ubuntu [05:05] <jsgotangco> i dont think that's universe's job [05:07] <marcin> jsgotangco: so if not here then where can I ask about this? [05:08] <jsgotangco> marcin, mdz is your best shot [05:08] <ajmitch> marcin: forking packaging from debian can cause unimagineable pain in the long run for the MOTUs [05:09] <ajmitch> both in terms of work required & future cooperation with debian [05:09] <marcin> jsgotangco: mdz? [05:10] <mgalvin> mdz will most likely flat out say no, not adhearing to the debian policy is not an option [05:10] <jsgotangco> of course [05:10] <ajmitch> for the reasons I listed, mainly [05:10] <jsgotangco> if such was in our roadmap, it would have been done early on [05:11] <mgalvin> yea, sorry for butting in half way through [05:12] <marcin> jsgotangco: I'm not so sure - I don't think that emacs packages are in ubuntu road map at all [05:13] <marcin> and I agree that these packages could conflict with debian packages [05:13] <marcin> but it in debian there is an incredible mess than why just copy this mess to ubuntu? [05:15] <ajmitch> because someone would have to clean up & maintain that mess in ubuntu [05:15] <jsgotangco> marcin, ubuntu basically integrates what is currently available, if there is a mess in debian, its best be worked upstream [05:15] <ajmitch> that is, being responsible for all the bug reports, upstream updates, etc [05:16] <marcin> so you just need more 'manpower' ? [05:17] <ajmitch> sure, ubuntu 'could' fork everything that debian does, given enough manpower [05:17] <ajmitch> bit it's also a matter of whether we should [05:18] <marcin> right but short question - why not? [05:24] <jsgotangco> im going to lunch :) [05:24] <ajmitch> :) [05:24] <ajmitch> ok, I'll try & get some work done :) [05:25] <marcin> ok, not I need to go to bed but anyway - lack of 'menpower' is not real reason for me [05:26] <jsgotangco> marcin, if you think what you believe is the right track, then there is no one stopping you from advocating it, its best that you get involved [05:26] <jsgotangco> brb [05:40] <ajmitch> ah, the downside of bzr daily snapshots - they sometimes break :) [05:52] <ajmitch> hi jbailey [05:52] <jbailey> Heya Andrew [05:53] <ajmitch> running into a few very odd problems :) [05:53] <jbailey> ajmitch: The #bzr channel is probably the best place to talk about it. [05:54] <ajmitch> yeah, I've been trying to narrow down to a testcase, but no joy yet [05:54] <jbailey> Ugh. =( [05:55] <ajmitch> :0:> ~/bin/bzr merge ../../debian/gnue-forms-0.5.12/ [05:55] <ajmitch> bzr: warning: Conflict in newly added file /mnt/new-home/ajmitch/debian/gnue/tmp/integration/gnue-forms-0.5.12/debian/rules [05:55] <ajmitch> bzr: [Errno 21] Is a directory [05:55] <ajmitch> that sort of exception is *really* weird [05:55] <ajmitch> it's just a file.read() call which is failing :( [06:35] <Burgundavia> Treenaks, nah there is just me, but I am pretty much everywhere [06:42] <Treenaks> Burgundavia: ok :) [08:01] <siretart> morning [08:02] <siretart> Burgundavia: around? [08:04] <Burgundavia> siretart, yes [08:07] <siretart> Burgundavia: is it possible to add inter wiki to ubuntu's wiki? or is this only available for administrators? [08:07] <siretart> just curious [08:07] <Burgundavia> siretart, I have no idea. best to ask hendrik [08:08] <siretart> ok [08:08] <ajmitch> isn't it already there? [08:08] <siretart> Burgundavia: I just saw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Template - just one remark [08:08] <jsgotangco> i dont think henrik has admin rights to the moin wiki either [08:08] <siretart> Burgundavia: wouldn't it be better to create for each distribution/release such a report in an own page? [08:08] <siretart> the template seems to be intended as a general summary [08:10] <Burgundavia> siretart, mjg59 and myself discussed it. We only need the current stable and a rolling report for the current Colony/Array/whatever Breezy+1 is [08:10] <Burgundavia> thus we only need one page [08:10] <siretart> Burgundavia: ah, so you expect 2 pages. Stable and rolling? [08:10] <Burgundavia> siretart, no [08:11] <Burgundavia> a single page, with both on it [08:11] <siretart> ah. I see. will do [08:11] <Burgundavia> siretart, cheers. #ubuntu-laptop for further discussin [08:11] <siretart> right. sorry [08:11] <siretart> I'm not used to that channel yet *g* [08:11] <Burgundavia> yes [08:33] <pef> morning [09:00] <Yagisa1> G'day [10:00] <pef> why cdbs doesn't update cleanly config.{guess,sub} files ? [10:01] <pef> It bloats my diff.gz file with diff between upstream tarball and system config.{sub,guess} files :/ [10:16] <\sh> cdbs is evil [10:21] <siretart> jupp [10:29] <pef> \sh: upstream tarball sometimes too ;) [10:30] <pef> especialy when they have already a "home-made" debian layout [10:37] <siretart> pef: upstreams often have no clue of packaging [10:37] <siretart> pef: if they had, they would most probably don't include debian/* into upstream tarball [10:39] <pef> siretart: it's not very easy (for non-developer) to fill an bts for requesting packaging [10:41] <siretart> pef: it consists mainly writing an email to submit@bugs.debian.org. format of this email is described on http://bugs.debian.org, espc. the part about wnpp [10:41] <siretart> but well, I see your point [10:42] <pef> when authors are bored with "and debian package ?" they put a primitiv debian layout into their tarball, and voil [10:42] <pef> I saw this on some sourceforge forums [11:02] <Burgundavia> ogra, "Team Burgundavia" indeed [11:05] <ogra> hehe :) [11:05] <ogra> you work like 3 at least [11:05] <Burgundavia> on Wednesday I start work [11:05] <Burgundavia> thus I will have less time [11:15] <mbreit> hi all [11:16] <pef> siretart: how did you get a directory like http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/kvpnc-0508131655/kvpnc-0.7.2/debian/ from the upload ? [11:17] <ajmitch> pef: that's after it was built, I believe? [11:18] <ajmitch> wb jsgotangco [11:18] <ajmitch> hi mbreit [11:18] <mbreit> hi ajmitch [11:18] <jsgotangco> thanks [11:18] <jsgotangco> hmm [11:18] <jsgotangco> desktop froze [11:19] <siretart> pef: err, I 'just' do a dpkg-source -x *.dsc after an upload [11:19] <ajmitch> siretart: ah, so the stamp-* files are a mistake then? :) [11:20] <siretart> err, sorry? [11:20] <ajmitch> stamp-autotools-files & stamp-makefile-build don't appear to be in the original diff [11:21] <ajmitch> I could be quite mistaken.. [11:21] <siretart> ajmitch: that because the were in the .orig.tar.gz [11:21] <ajmitch> pef: was this one that had an existing debian/ directory? [11:21] <ajmitch> oh evil [11:21] <siretart> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/kvpnc-0508161105/kvpnc-0.7.2/debian/ doesnt show them anymore, because orig.tar.gz was repackages [11:21] <siretart> which is right in this case, I think [11:22] <ajmitch> ok [11:37] <pef> ajmitch: yes [11:47] <pef> because of dh_make bug with bzip2 archives #12618, should I use get-orig-source target to recreate a gzipped tarball, or simply doing this by hand ? [01:02] <pef> does a call to dh_desktop is really usefull when there are no MimeType registered in .desktop file ? [01:24] <\sh> ogra: ping [01:47] <ogra> \sh, pong [01:47] <ajmitch> hey ogra :) [01:47] <ogra> did everybody notice the CC meeting starts in 15min [01:47] <siretart> re [01:47] <ajmitch> yes [01:47] <\sh> argl [01:47] <\sh> no [01:47] <\sh> ,-) [01:47] <\sh> ogra: i got mail from infinito about gcfilms [01:47] <ogra> i just recognized it myself [01:48] <siretart> \sh: do you have the wiki name describing NetworkInstalls? [01:48] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet [01:48] <ajmitch> is there anything we need be available for the meeting? [01:48] <\sh> ogra: do we get it synced into breezy for universe even after feature freeze? [01:48] <ajmitch> ah, mbreit on member candidates [01:49] <siretart> \sh: ah, thanks [01:49] <ogra> \sh, synced from ? [01:49] (ajmitch/#ubuntu-motu) hmm [01:50] (\sh/#ubuntu-motu) ogra: debian...i mean, i have to check it again if it's fixed in debian..but I don't want to have another package to care for right now [01:50] (ajmitch/#ubuntu-motu) reminds me that I need to ask elmo to sync clamav [01:50] (ajmitch/#ubuntu-motu) & f-spot once I get it tested ;) [01:51] <ajmitch> sigh, I'd really like to break the freeze for other packages as well, if possible :) [01:52] <\sh> actually I want to spend the time to polish the other packages then to sync new stuff in [01:52] <ajmitch> \sh: all the packages I want are updates (including upstream fixes) [01:52] <ajmitch> nothing NEW [02:04] <ajmitch> mbreit: how many of those still need looked at/uploaded? [02:04] <mbreit> ajmitch: none atm.... [02:05] <ajmitch> ok, great [02:29] <Nafallo> ajmitch: ;-) [02:31] <pef> how should I named a newly packaged apps like foo-0.2 ? foo-0.2-0ubuntu1 ? [02:32] <ajmitch> pef: yep [02:32] <pef> thanks ! [02:32] <ajmitch> well you put 0.2-0ubuntu1 in the changelog anyway :) [02:44] <pef> in debian/control, if I use copyrighted names, like Windows or neroBurningRom, should I add (c) or something ? [02:45] <ajmitch> they're registered trademarks, not copyrighted [02:45] <ajmitch> so I _think_ it'd either be (R) or (TM) [02:45] <pef> oups [02:45] <siretart> I would avoid them if possible, because I don't understand the legal consequences either [02:45] <ajmitch> but I haven't seen them used [02:45] <ajmitch> do as siretart says ;) [02:47] <Mithrandir> is for registered marks. [02:47] <Mithrandir> it doesn't really matter, but just avoid them, probably no use in mentioning them [02:47] <siretart> ah. utf-8 :) [02:48] <pef> siretart: I'm packaging a tool wich converts a proprietary format (cdrom image files) to ISO format, the program name is CloneCD [02:51] <siretart> pef: why not write '.. converts images in .foo format (used by some comercial sofware) into .iso images...' [02:51] <siretart> what format is that? is that somewhat common? [02:53] <pef> siretart: proprietary format like .doc [02:54] <siretart> pef: everyone knows .doc format. we are beeing terrorisated very often with that [02:54] <pef> me too :) [02:55] <pef> but if I don't include the apps'name into description, a personn who seeks for "clonecd" will not find anything :/ [02:56] <ogra> but someone whoi searches for cloning CDs will find it if you write "an app for cloning CDs" [02:59] <siretart> pef: they will find it when they search for the filename extension [03:00] <siretart> pef: and when they have been given a hint in the forum, of course [03:00] <pef> ogra: it's just a format converter tool [03:00] <ogra> pef, you talked about clonecd [03:02] <pef> ogra: the output format of clonecd ;) [03:31] <mgalvin> hi all [03:44] <rbelem> mgalvin, hi ;-) [03:44] <mgalvin> hi rbelem [03:50] <HiddenWolf> Hey guys [03:50] <Treenaks> HiddenWolf: hey, I thought you couldn't code? [03:50] <Treenaks> ;) [03:51] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks, I can't [03:51] <HiddenWolf> Yet [03:51] <ajmitch> hi HiddenWolf [03:51] <ajmitch> Treenaks: what, you need to be able to code to be in here? :) [03:52] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks, but I'm getting fed up with myself, I'd like to fix those stupid bugs myself, really. :P [03:52] <Treenaks> ajmitch: no, but we had a discussion about it yesterday in #-nl :) [03:52] <Treenaks> HiddenWolf: first, upgrade to breezy.. :) [03:52] <Treenaks> HiddenWolf: second, ... [03:52] <Treenaks> HiddenWolf: third, profit! [03:53] <ajmitch> heh [03:53] <ajmitch> Treenaks: step 2 is pull hair out ;) [03:53] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks, you are aware that my pc is currently without an harddrive, right? ;) [03:53] <Treenaks> ajmitch: It is? [03:53] <ajmitch> oh, breezy on usb stick! there's an opportunity for you, HiddenWolf ;) [03:54] <HiddenWolf> ajmitch, I'm hoping to have a new drive by the time I drag my tanned ass back to Holland from Rome. ;) [03:54] <Lathiat> thatd be cool [03:54] <ajmitch> mm, I'd love to visit Rome some day [03:55] <ajmitch> my flatmate got to go to rome last year on only a day or two's notice, for a few weeks :) [03:56] <jamessan|work> yes, Rome is awesome [03:56] <Treenaks> My next destination is Berlin [03:57] <Treenaks> HiddenWolf: ? [03:57] <ajmitch> furthest I've managed to get so far is australia [03:57] <HiddenWolf> is this a redirect to #ubuntu-travel? ;) [03:57] <jamessan|work> return visit to Rome aside, I'd love to go to Belgium [03:57] <Treenaks> ajmitch: can't get much further from here :) [03:57] <ajmitch> Treenaks: well I'm in NZ, so Australia is fairly close :) [03:57] <\sh> Treenaks: I will send you my mobile number..so we can catch up in berlin...looks like I will sleep at dholbachs place [03:57] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks, sabdfl managed. ;) [03:57] <jamessan|work> HiddenWolf: yup. should I put you in contact with my travel agent? ;) [03:58] <ajmitch> HiddenWolf: sure, suggest Rome for the next ubuntu conference :) [03:58] <Treenaks> \sh: PM it :) I'll add you to my phone immediately [03:58] <kiko> hey haxors [03:58] <tseng> morning kiko [03:58] <kiko> what's going on up north? [03:59] <tseng> its hot and stuff [03:59] <HiddenWolf> jamessan, I'm a poor student. :) [03:59] <jamessan|work> yeah, I was just joking [03:59] <ogra> kiko, looks like every day there [03:59] <HiddenWolf> jamessan, I figured. :) [04:00] <siretart> no smoke signs? ;) [04:00] <ogra> siretart, not since \sh finished the cigarette [04:00] <siretart> hehe [04:01] <\sh> yes...I just saw a shocked treenaks ,-) [04:01] <ajmitch> hi kiko, tseng [04:09] <HiddenWolf> ajmitch, I'd happily suggest it, but I'm nobody. :P [04:09] <pef> when is the next review day ? [04:09] <ajmitch> 18th [04:09] <ajmitch> all timezones [04:10] <Treenaks> ajmitch: whee @ 36-hour days :) [04:10] <ajmitch> only 36? :) [04:10] <Treenaks> ajmitch: 24 + 12 [04:11] <pef> thanks [04:11] <ajmitch> Treenaks: NZ is UTC+12, some pacific islands are UTC-12, iirc [04:12] <Treenaks> ajmitch: yes (like the islands I work for, .tk :)) [04:12] <ajmitch> so NZ can be 24 hours ahead of them (maybe 23) [04:12] <ajmitch> already the 17th here :) [04:13] <ajmitch> so I'll start my review day in < 24 hours [04:13] <pef> have to go, bye ! [04:13] <ajmitch> bye pef [04:13] <Treenaks> ajmitch: hm yes [04:13] <Treenaks> ajmitch: 48-hour days.. don't tell my boss [04:13] <ajmitch> haha [04:15] <Nafallo> is sistpoty a member yet? [04:15] <Nafallo> is there anyone proposed on this list: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers that is already a member? [04:22] <Nafallo> siretart: ping ^ [04:22] <siretart> Nafallo: whats up? [04:22] <Nafallo> siretart: above :-) is sistpoty ubuntu member? [04:23] <Nafallo> IIRC he is for the work on REVU [04:23] <siretart> Nafallo: Yes, he is member, but not MOTU yet [04:23] <Nafallo> siretart: oki, sorting out launchpad with sabdfl ;-) [04:23] <siretart> ah. i see :) [04:25] <ajmitch> gar [04:25] <ajmitch> vegastrike build fail :( [04:25] <Lathiat> heh [04:25] <Lathiat> i wa sjust looking at the build log [04:25] <Lathiat> err [04:25] <Lathiat> email [04:26] <ajmitch> yeah, not 64-bit clean [04:26] <Lathiat> ah [04:26] <ajmitch> int/pointer issues again [04:26] <Lathiat> give up, amd64 sucks ;p [04:26] <ajmitch> error: cast from 'Unit*' to 'int' loses precision [04:26] <ajmitch> I don't use amd64 :) [04:26] <Lathiat> heh [04:27] <Lathiat> em64t then ;p [04:27] <siretart> ajmitch: try to cast it to long [04:27] <Lathiat> as do i :) [04:27] <ajmitch> this is just pasted from the amd64 build log [04:28] <ajmitch> I'm hoping that it builds for i386 at least :) [04:29] <siretart> most probably [04:30] <ajmitch> that's all that matters for me ;) [04:47] <bddebian> Howdy [04:48] <ajmitch> hello bddebian [04:48] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch [04:48] <bddebian> ajmitch: "Borrowed" an additional battery last night so it's ready to ship.. :-) [04:48] <ajmitch> oh? [04:49] <bddebian> Yeah if I can get my lazy ass to label it, tape it up, and take it to the post office.. ;-) [04:49] <ajmitch> heh [04:49] <ajmitch> and in 2 months, it might show up? :) [04:50] <bddebian> ajmitch: No, I am going to expedite it if possible [04:51] <ajmitch> it's not urgent [04:56] <ajmitch> great, vegastrike built ok on i386 & ppc [04:57] <Lathiat> cool [05:16] <persia> I'm curious about Malone: if a bug is entered there, is anyone alerted automatically? [05:17] <ajmitch> #ubuntu-bugs is notified, I don't think there's automatic assignment to anyone at the moment [05:17] <persia> OK. Thanks. [05:21] <persia> ajmitch: Does this also apply to universe packages? I'm not finding info on one of my submissions (with a patch, even). [05:22] <ajmitch> persia: malone is meant for just universe at the moment [05:23] <ajmitch> what bug did you file? [05:24] <persia> ajmitch: 1696: insufficient joystick button support in vegastrike (there's also an FTBFS right now - yet unfiled). [05:25] <ogra> an ftbfs ? i thought ajmitch just solved that one [05:25] <persia> ogra: it's a different FTBFS: it gets further along in the process... [05:25] <ogra> ah... [05:26] <ogra> i wasnt sure anyway if "miscompilation" would translate to ftbfs ;) [05:26] <ajmitch> ogra: sorry, I did fix FTBFS on i386 [05:26] <ajmitch> should have written FTBFS in changelog :) [05:27] <ogra> ajmitch, i guessed so... := [05:27] <ogra> :) [05:27] <ajmitch> 33 joystick buttons? now that's just getting excessive :) [05:28] <persia> ajmitch: Yeah, well... It glows blue too! [05:28] <ajmitch> hehe [05:28] <ajmitch> I don't have a joystick, so I wouldn't be able to test the patch [05:28] <ajmitch> I can apply & upload tomorrow though, and hopefully it will work, as you say :) [05:28] <persia> ajmitch: If you can help me to get it to compile on 64-bit machines, I'm happy to test :) [05:29] <ajmitch> persia: ah, you have 64-bit machine? [05:29] <persia> I'm also happy to try to get it to compile. [05:29] <persia> ajmitch: Well, AMD64: I'm not sure it doesn't drop into 32-bit every once in a while. [05:30] <ajmitch> yeah, it just FTBFS on amd64, I'll have to write up a patch for that [05:31] <persia> ajmitch: ia64 as well, from lamont's logs, although I can't verify. [05:31] <ajmitch> it'll be the same error, trying to fit a pointer into an int [05:33] <ajmitch> void AggressiveLoopAround(Order* aisc, Unit * un) { Order* broll = new Orders::LoopAround(true,true,false,(int)un); [05:33] <ajmitch> should not be done on a 64-bit box [05:34] <ajmitch> easy enough to fix, it's just a matter of how widespread it is through the source [05:35] <persia> Is it just a case of changing "int" to "long" for each call, and running the compilation again? [05:35] <ajmitch> yeah, changing the casts [05:36] <persia> OK. I'll see about a patch, although if something gets too odd, I've not programmed in long enough I'll have to give up. [05:36] <ajmitch> :) [05:36] <ajmitch> thanks [06:07] <persia> OK. Vegastrike now compiles for 64-bit machines: only 5 files changed. Any suggestions on making a nice patch from my edits? [06:08] <ogra__> use dpatch-edit and attach the patch to a bug :) [06:08] <Lathiat> persia: compiles=works right? :P [06:08] <Lathiat> also, it still compiles+works on x86? :) [06:08] <persia> "No manual entry for dpatch-edit" :) [06:09] <ogra__> persia, http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7 [06:09] <tseng> at least i did one thing useful [06:09] <persia> Lathiat: No guarantees of that: given a script, I'll make a patch, and test against the current source for my machine. After that, someone else will have to test for 32-bits. [06:10] <ogra__> tseng, <tired sounding>ha ha ha </tired sounding> [06:10] <persia> ogra__: Thanks. I'll look there. [06:10] <ogra__> tseng, nobody takes such statements serious from you ;) [06:10] <tseng> haha [06:14] <persia> Ummm... I'm looking for something a bit more basic. I know I can generate a patch for a single file with `diff -urN` original.file new.file, but I'm hoping there's an easy way to get the differences from a full build tree (vegastrike patches are all raw diffs). [06:14] <Lathiat> dpatch-edit-patch [06:14] <Lathiat> :) [06:15] <persia> Lathiat: vegastrike doesn't use dpatch. [06:15] <Lathiat> cdbs? :) [06:15] <Lathiat> heh [06:15] <\sh> cdbs-edit-patch [06:16] <ogra__> persia, its no prob to add dpatch (one line in debian/rules) [06:16] <ogra__> err, and one dependency in debian/control indeed [06:16] <ogra__> as the howto says [06:17] <persia> ogra__: Yes, but it makes the package less clean: there are already a number of raw diffs. I'll just make 5 patches for this: at least that way I can test the changes :) [06:19] <\sh> persia: cdbs-edit-patch is your friend [06:19] <\sh> it does the same job as dpatch-edit-patch but only with raw diffs..but sometimes it's nasty [06:21] <persia> \sh: OK. I'm willing to make freinds. I've five modified files, and would like to generate a single raw diff for test application to the patch directory. Any generic suggestions that can help me? [06:21] <Lathiat> persia: get a copy off the old dir then diff -Nru it? [06:22] <\sh> persia: i do it like this.. [06:22] <persia> Lathiat: That's my current activity... [06:22] <\sh> untar orig.tar.gz and patch it with the provided patches in debian/patches [06:22] <\sh> cp orig-dir orig-dir.patch [06:23] <\sh> modify your source in orig-dir.patch [06:23] <\sh> and du diff -ur orig-dir orig-dir.patch [06:23] <\sh> s/du/do/ [06:24] <persia> \sh: That makes sense: I'll probably do that next time, but this being my first time, I had not set up the parallel directories, and just edited files in ./work/... until it compiled. I'm copying files into parallel structures now. Thanks anyway. [06:25] <\sh> use pbuilder :) or create a chroot for such things... [06:50] <persia> I've now a patch that allows vegastrike to compile on amd64. Anyone willing to test against i386 or ppc (the current working architectures)? [06:51] <Lathiat> i can try i386 later [06:51] <Lathiat> heh [06:51] <Lathiat> email it to lathiat@bur.st [06:51] <Lathiat> your dcc is b0rked [06:51] <Lathiat> coming from an internal ip [06:52] <persia> Yeah, well, it works sometimes... [06:52] <Lathiat> well it wont now because its coming from 192.168.92.6 :) [06:52] <persia> My NAT is a little funny. No worries. [07:03] <Yagisan> persia: why don't you use an i386 chroot to test ? [07:06] <persia> Yagisan: Because I7ve not set up a chroot before, and it's 2am for me :) [07:07] <persia> Looking at the powermanga build failure: it also looks to be 64 bit cast problems. Is there a patch in the works, or would one be appreciated? [07:09] <Yagisan> persia: 3am for me :) [07:10] <slomo> hi everybody :) [07:10] <highvoltage> hi slomo [07:10] <\sh> hey slomo [07:10] <Yagisan> G'day slomo [07:10] <tseng> hi [07:15] <bddebian> Heya slomo [07:41] <siretart> huhu slomo [07:41] <siretart> has anyone in here already worked with yada? [07:43] <bddebian> siretart: Bah, fear nothing :-) [07:44] <siretart> waah. lyx has gcc4 issues :( [07:44] <tseng> bddebian: did you ever get mythtv to build? [07:45] <bddebian> tseng: Yes but you yelled at me for pulling updates from CVS so I didn't do anymore. [07:45] <tseng> hm but it builds with cvs? [07:46] <bddebian> I just pulled the updated cvs code and used the same debian/* stuff yes. Although, I think there could be a couple of simplified rules. [07:46] <tseng> ok.. [07:46] <tseng> huh [07:47] <bddebian> The configure stuff in the newer code is better [07:50] <\sh> ok...bittorrent package is working again [07:51] <bddebian> \sh: You still rock.. ;-P [07:54] <\sh> now for bittornado [08:17] <siretart> \sh: woooho [08:43] <\sh> yes [08:43] <\sh> back from phoning with amu :) [09:25] <mbreit> hi all [09:25] <Yagisa1> G'day [09:59] <siretart> err. [09:59] <siretart> wtf is this yada?! [10:00] <ajmitch> siretart: ? [10:01] <siretart> ajmitch: I didn't read to docu yet, it just overwrote my modifications to debian/rules [10:02] <ajmitch> that doesn't sound good [10:03] <siretart> hm. the auther seem to have a strange sense for humor :/ [10:03] <siretart> 'yada yada' - creates template configuration for yada [10:03] <bddebian> heh [10:41] <\sh> MOTUS! name a good wifi scanner application [10:41] <slomo> kismet [10:41] <\sh> slomo: running as well with madwifi drivers? [10:42] <slomo> i think so... just try it ;) [10:42] <mbreit> \sh: runs perfectly with madwifi [10:42] <ajmitch> worked for me [10:42] <mbreit> \sh: have used it on my thinkpad with madwifi... no problems [10:43] <ajmitch> if it doesn't install, ask Nafallo about it [10:43] <Nafallo> mememe :-) [10:43] <Nafallo> what? :-) [10:43] <ajmitch> Nafallo: you fixed & uploaded kismet, right/ [10:44] <Mez> kwifimanager [10:44] <ajmitch> or was that a 'not yet' due to UVF? [10:44] <Nafallo> ajmitch: not yet. I'll have to solve libdps1 first. and I'm out of time :-/ [10:44] <ajmitch> ah ok [10:44] <Mez> anything new for me to do? [10:44] <Mez> I'm getting a bit annoyed at my comp now [10:45] <Mez> not in the mood for gaming [10:45] <ajmitch> Mez: probably plenty :) [10:45] <Mez> so, thought I might try going back and doing some MOTU stuff [10:45] <Mez> once I've fixed the breakage [10:45] <Nafallo> Mez: you could do the libdps1-is-moving-out transition ;-) [10:45] <Mez> huh? [10:45] <Mez> brb [10:45] <Mez> reboot [10:45] <Nafallo> haha [10:45] <Nafallo> :-) [10:45] <Nafallo> ajmitch: jdub here soon? ;-) [10:46] <ajmitch> what? [10:46] <Nafallo> ajmitch: you always no where he is :-) [10:47] <Nafallo> ajmitch: or rather when he is ;-) [10:48] <ajmitch> no, I don't [10:48] <ajmitch> *if* he's back in sydney, it's not yet 7am there [10:48] <Nafallo> hehe, oki :-) [10:48] <ajmitch> as sydney is only 2 hours behind nz [10:50] <Nafallo> he usually greet people when he gets online :-) [10:51] <ajmitch> bbl [10:53] <\sh> ok...what source do i need for kismet and atheros card (madwifi driver) [10:54] <ogra> \sh, isnt that already in breezy ? [10:54] <\sh> ogra: yeah...i mean in kismet.conf ;) [10:54] <allee> \sh care to try wlassistant? (has a simple scanner) [10:56] <Mez> \sh, why not use kwifimanager? [10:56] <slomo> \sh: look at the kismet readme ;) [10:56] <\sh> slomo: got it :) [11:02] <\sh> ok..no networks open anymore [11:03] <Mez> is that good or bad \sh ? [11:04] <\sh> Mez: for the test it [11:04] <\sh> 's bed [11:04] <\sh> bad [11:04] <\sh> even [11:04] <allee> wlassistant, works in hoary. Someone wants to try in breezy? (before revu upload) deb-src http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary-experimental ./ [11:06] <\sh> anyways...now I no why I don't like gnome...grmpf.. [11:06] <Mez> \sh :P [11:06] <\sh> changing desktops with ctrl+alt+<left> or <right> is not usable for me [11:06] <Mez> QOTD: <Keybuk> sweet, I managed to really annoy X by unplugging the mouse during a click [11:22] <mbreit> \sh: could you upload a passepartout ftbfs fix for me? [11:23] <\sh> url [11:23] <mbreit> http://mo42.ath.cx/passepartout_0.6-1ubuntu2.debdiff [11:26] <\sh> mbreit: on it's way [11:26] <mbreit> \sh: thanks!! [11:29] <\sh> mbreit: done...katie should praise u [11:30] <mbreit> thanks again

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:39.037238

2005-08-21-#ubuntu-kernel

[05:12] <fabbione> morning [05:27] <lamont> gah... fabbione: I'll do that patch when I wake up [05:29] <fabbione> lamont: don't worry.. if it's ok with you i can upload both in debian and here [05:55] <fabbione> hey jbailey [05:56] <jbailey> Heya Fabio [05:57] <fabbione> jbailey: we need to get klibc to build on sparc... [05:57] <fabbione> actually.. B-D can't even be satisfied [05:58] <jbailey> fabbione: Hmm, I thought it was building. [05:58] <jbailey> Which b-d? [05:58] <fabbione> on kernel headers? [05:58] <fabbione> you are still using the -1- abi reference... [05:58] <fabbione> we are up to 6 and soon to 7 :) [05:58] <jbailey> Ah, thought I had updated that. [05:58] <jbailey> Bloody abi bumps. [05:58] <fabbione> retarded klibc :) [05:59] <jbailey> *lol* [06:00] <fabbione> jbailey: the append to initr* patches... [06:00] <fabbione> i saw a bug about them... [06:00] <jbailey> I have a bug report for initramfs asking for vesafb and fbcon to be auto added on i386 [06:00] <jbailey> I thought the kernels had all the framebuffer stuff built in automatically. [06:00] <fabbione> eh it did with initrd... [06:00] <jbailey> fabbione: I need to hack more on it. The classic initrd case is OOPSing at startup, and I haven't troubleshot it yet. [06:01] <fabbione> placing the modules in /lib/modules/$ver/initrd [06:01] <jbailey> Sorry? I'm having trouble following. [06:01] <jbailey> (My bad for telling you something else at the same time as you told me something) [06:02] <fabbione> fabbione@gordian:/lib/modules/2.6.12-4-686/initrd$ ls [06:02] <fabbione> capability.ko vesafb.ko [06:02] <fabbione> the modules in that dir are automatically added to the initrd [06:02] <jbailey> Right, but I thought that you said that you inicluded all the necessary framebuffer things in the kernel for each arch. [06:02] <jbailey> So I didn't bother including them. [06:02] <jbailey> (There's alot of historical cruft in initrd-tools) [06:03] <fabbione> we build them as module.. and we ship them.. that's all [06:03] <jbailey> Ah, okay. [06:03] <fabbione> i don't include them automatically anywhere.. [06:03] <jbailey> If you didn't, I wouldn't have a console on ppc... [06:03] <fabbione> jbailey: i think some arches must have fb in the kernel [06:04] <fabbione> others don't or can't [06:04] <jbailey> Ah, okay. So it's a per-arch thing then. [06:04] <fabbione> yup [06:05] <jbailey> 'k [06:05] <fabbione> jbailey: the best thing you can do to see it, is to grab all -images- from jackass and dpkg -c them [06:05] <fabbione> to get an idea [06:05] <fabbione> something you can easily do from either chinstrap or rookery [06:06] <fabbione> i need to wake up my wife... brb [06:14] <fabbione> re [06:14] <fabbione> jbailey: klibc.. you said you were going or planned to change it to use l-k-h [06:15] <fabbione> if that doesn't work, i can still provide you with a meta package to B-D on [06:15] <fabbione> so you don't need to get too crazy about abi bumps [06:15] <fabbione> specially after release.. when we might bump ABI in a security update [06:15] <fabbione> and klibc won't build anymore [06:16] <jbailey> Right, it just hasn't been top on my priority list when sorting all the initramfs-tools stuff out. [06:16] <jbailey> Now that it's in use, I want to clean up things like this. [06:22] <fabbione> jbailey: ok.. [06:35] <fabbione> night jb [07:06] <fabbione> doko: ping? [08:12] <doko> fabbione: pong [08:14] <fabbione> doko: amd64 kernel on i386.... [08:14] <fabbione> what B-D do i need? [08:19] <doko> libc6-dev-amd64 [08:20] <doko> I'm not sure, if these headers really work at the moment, I didn't get feedback from jbailey yet. so you might try amd64-libs-dev instead [08:29] <fabbione> well i need something a bit more tested.. since i need to ask elmo to install these possible B-D on concordia [08:29] <fabbione> also.. what's the minimal version of gcc-3.4 that i need to use... [08:37] <doko> 3.4.4-6ubuntu4 [08:49] <fabbione> ok [10:17] <Mithrandir> I think perhaps there is something in the hoary kernel which leaks loads of memory. [10:18] <fabbione> that's called X and GNOME [10:19] <Mithrandir> on a server? [10:20] <fabbione> you should have specified it before :) [10:22] <Mithrandir> :-P [10:22] <Mithrandir> my slabinfo showed me those nice numbers: [10:23] <Mithrandir> biovec-1 5925600 5925825 16 225 1 : tunables 120 60 0 : slabdata 26337 26337 0 [10:23] <Mithrandir> bio 5925623 5925743 128 31 1 : tunables 120 60 0 : slabdata 191153 191153 0 [10:23] <Mithrandir> which means it has allocated almost 6M objects of size 16 and 128, a grand total of ~850MB. [10:24] <Mithrandir> that hurts a bit when the box runs SA and some other stuff. [10:26] <Mithrandir> compared to the box freshly booted: [10:26] <Mithrandir> biovec-1 1347 1800 16 225 1 : tunables 120 60 0 : slabdata 8 8 0 [10:26] <Mithrandir> bio 1341 1581 128 31 1 : tunables 120 60 0 : slabdata 51 51 0 [10:27] <fabbione> weird [10:28] <Mithrandir> nothing special here, runs apache2, random user processes, does have a raid5 with evms, but that's just devmapper. [10:35] <fabbione> hmmmm no idea really... [10:44] <Mithrandir> http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0506.3/0965.html [10:56] <Mithrandir> ah, it seems to be related to the fact that my SATA controller generates some spurious errors which then causes memory leaks in the raid code. [10:59] <fabbione> ah neat bug [11:00] <Mithrandir> yeah [11:00] <Mithrandir> oh well, I'm off to hack the live cd. [11:12] <fabbione> JaneW: ping? [11:13] <JaneW> fabbione: pong [11:14] <fabbione> JaneW: i need a little help with the wiki update... [11:14] <JaneW> ok [11:14] <fabbione> we agreed to make a list of deferred points inside specs [11:14] <JaneW> (thought you needed a name) ;) [11:14] <fabbione> but i am not sure how you want me to do that [11:14] <JaneW> which spec? [11:14] <fabbione> LinuxKernelRoadmap is 90% implemented, shipped, tested... [11:14] <fabbione> JaneW: name is for after Colony 3 release ;) [11:15] <JaneW> fabbione: cool, what's deferred? [11:15] <fabbione> but there are still a few deferred points... [11:15] <fabbione> JaneW: the list of deferred points is in comments inside the spec itself [11:15] <JaneW> fabbione: once I create a deferred column and list the stuff there, you can make the LKR completed. [11:15] <fabbione> i did never change the specs, but only added comments on what happened/when and why [11:15] <JaneW> ok, I'll go look [11:15] <JaneW> oh in the spec... [11:16] <fabbione> same goes for InstallerVolumeManager... [11:16] <fabbione> JaneW: yes.. [11:16] <JaneW> the ubuntu wiki is much slower that the UDU one... [11:16] <fabbione> that was the easiest to keep detailed track of stuff [11:16] <fabbione> without "altering" the original specs.. [11:16] <fabbione> i did only add comments to them [11:17] <fabbione> sort of status tracker [11:17] <JaneW> fabbione: is it 2 items? [11:17] <fabbione> JaneW: ? [11:18] <fabbione> what do you mean by "2 items"? [11:18] <JaneW> fabbione: there's 2 things in the spec that says DEFERRED [11:18] <fabbione> checking.. i remember there were a bit more [11:19] <fabbione> there are more... [11:19] <JaneW> oh [11:19] <fabbione> i will update the page with "DEFERRED" [11:19] <fabbione> some of them are not capital letters :) [11:21] <JaneW> ok thanks [11:25] <JaneW> fabbione: can I make the rest of the goal completed (light green i.e. 100% done) ? [11:27] <fabbione> JaneW: yup... [11:27] <JaneW> YAY! *clap* [11:27] <fabbione> there.. page updated... [11:27] <JaneW> thanks [11:27] <JaneW> shew the wiki is SLOW [11:28] <fabbione> did i ever mention that i HATE wiki? [11:28] <JaneW> fabbione: hehe, ok I see 6 DEFERRED's now... [11:28] <fabbione> yes that's correct.. [11:31] <fabbione> JaneW: InstallerVolumeManagement looks good enough for me [11:31] <fabbione> the last comment from 2005-07-14 is the same as reported to the meetingh [11:31] <fabbione> there are no updates since than [11:34] <JaneW> fabbione: has InstallerVolumeManagement had more testing yet? [11:34] <JaneW> fabbione: and do you think it will change before it can be marked completed? [11:35] <fabbione> JaneW: it won't change because we can't support our 3 arches [11:35] <fabbione> it will be completed for real in breezy+1 [11:36] <fabbione> there is nothing we can do more for breezy [11:36] <JaneW> can I make it complete then? for purposes of tracking what need to be done now [11:36] <fabbione> JaneW: it's ok with me or we can move it to implemented -> deferred [11:36] <fabbione> because the real target of the spec can't be achieved [11:36] <JaneW> it is useable at all? [11:37] <fabbione> on the other side the logic has been implemented and it works [11:37] <Mithrandir> is the spec "LVM/EVMS by default" or "possible to use LVM/EVMS"? [11:37] <fabbione> yes yes.. it works [11:37] <fabbione> Mithrandir: yes [11:37] <Mithrandir> fabbione: "yes" is a terrible answer to an "or" question [11:37] <JaneW> ok, then lets say complete? Although are portions deferred, in which case I;ll add it to deferred as well? [11:37] <JaneW> Mithrandir: LOL [11:37] <fabbione> damn.. i can't workaround you ;) [11:38] <fabbione> "This spec considers our options for setting up logical volume management in the installer by default." [11:38] <Mithrandir> fabbione: do you think we can get a fix for the slab issue into hoary, it's kinda critical that servers run out of memory after a month. [11:38] <fabbione> Mithrandir: i think so.. i can pass it at memory leak/ddos [11:39] <Mithrandir> fabbione: great, thanks. :-) [11:40] <Mithrandir> just tell me if you need somebody to test the update [11:42] <fabbione> Mithrandir: well if you can test it yourself that'd be great [11:42] <Mithrandir> fabbione: that patch doesn't apply to -10, so we need to backport it a bit. [11:42] <fabbione> a one liner that doesn't apply is an issue... [11:43] <Mithrandir> the surrounding code has changed, but I think it's doable anyhow [11:49] <fabbione> Mithrandir: i can't find the code at all... [11:50] <fabbione> not even in .12 [11:51] <Mithrandir> http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/07/msg00231.html ? [11:54] <Mithrandir> it's relative to http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-raid&m=111155701929593&w=2, I think [11:54] <fabbione> the first patch you pasted is in .13 git [11:55] <fabbione> and it applies to a function called [11:55] <fabbione> super_written [11:55] <fabbione> that's not in .10 or .12 [11:55] <Mithrandir> the missing link is in the theaimsgroup link, though [12:00] <JaneW> fabbione: ok InstallerVolumeManagement is completed in the main table and listed in deferred too, I hope that is ok. [12:00] <fabbione> Mithrandir: the patch at http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/07/msg00231.html seems to be the correct one [12:00] <fabbione> JaneW: sure.. that's fine [12:01] <fabbione> Mithrandir: [12:01] <fabbione> static int sync_page_io(struct block_device *bdev, sector_t sector, int size, [12:01] <JaneW> fabbione: all your goals are completed - you can go on holiday again ;) [12:01] <fabbione> on line 332 has been splitted into 2 functions [12:01] <fabbione> that's why it doesn't apply [12:02] <fabbione> JaneW: i would love to.. but i guess somebody won't be happy about it :) [12:02] <fabbione> JaneW: i still need to push the SoC stuff in... [12:03] <fabbione> Mithrandir: if you can test that patch, i will add it as security thing for hoary [12:03] <fabbione> given that a memleak is NOT good [12:04] <Mithrandir> fabbione: ok, I'll do that. Can you prepare images or should I? [12:04] <fabbione> now.. time to prepare some food and to get a long break [12:04] <fabbione> Mithrandir: up to you.. if you can do it > * [12:05] <JaneW> fabbione: yes I hope the SoC stuff completes well, and I could give you some more goals if you are looking? ;) [12:05] <fabbione> otherwise give me time till tomorrow.. i guess i will have to prepare a hoary security update [12:05] <fabbione> JaneW: thanks but i have enough stuff to do :) [12:05] <JaneW> :) [12:06] <Mithrandir> fabbione: tomorrow is fine for me, I'm trying to find out wtf is up with the live cd atm [12:06] <fabbione> + give a head up to BenC [12:06] <fabbione> Mithrandir: ok [12:06] <fabbione> security... [12:06] <fabbione> update packages around... [12:07] <fabbione> anyway.. long break time now [12:19] <TheMuso> c [12:19] <TheMuso> argh [12:19] <TheMuso> sorry [01:26] <TheMuso> [01:41] <JaneW> fabbione: ping [01:41] <fabbione> JaneW: pong? [01:41] <JaneW> fabbione: what's up with NFSRoot? (jbailey is not around), there are no comments listed at all [01:42] <fabbione> JaneW: it's part of ltsp/EarlyUserSpace... [01:42] <fabbione> it works :) [01:42] <fabbione> i will check with jbailey to update the wiki [01:42] <JaneW> ok thanks :) [01:46] <JaneW> fabbione: xen - is your student working on that whole goal? or only part of it? Is it justified in moving over to WIP? [01:46] <fabbione> JaneW: xen?? you just told me to forget about it yesterday :) [01:46] <JaneW> oh right, sorry that's Ed... [01:46] <JaneW> Mithrandir! ping [01:48] <zul> heylo [01:48] <Mithrandir> JaneW: pong [01:50] (JaneW/#ubuntu-kernel) Mithrandir: are we likely to get anothing completed there for Breezy, or will it need to be deferred? [01:50] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-kernel) that depends on whether I should concentrate on getting it into ok-ish shape or not. [01:50] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-kernel) I think it's doable for breezy [01:51] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-kernel) but at the moment I'm not working on my goals but rather picking up various loose threads around. [01:53] <fabbione> JaneW: i doubt there is a chance to get Xen for breezy [01:53] <fabbione> that means a FeatureFreeze breakage [01:53] <fabbione> + ENOTIME to do a deep test [01:54] <Mithrandir> fabbione: it'd be universe for now. [01:54] <Mithrandir> and yes, mdz wouldn't be happy about the freeze exception [01:54] <fabbione> imho it's pointless to spend that many resources for a universe package [01:54] <Mithrandir> (I'd imagine) [01:54] <fabbione> given that the patch in 2.0.6 is for .11 [01:55] <fabbione> and porting it to .12 is a pain [01:55] <zul> fabbione: i have some stuff in my arch for you to merge [01:55] <fabbione> there is just too much work that needs to be done, without even be sure that it will work [01:55] <fabbione> zul: good boy :) [01:55] <zul> fabbione: do i get a cookie :) [01:55] <JaneW> fabbione: hmmm, don;t think mdz will allow that - so shall I defer? [01:55] <fabbione> JaneW: yes. let's get it done properly for breezy+1 [01:56] <fabbione> JaneW: unfortunatly upstream and us are way too much desynced [01:56] <fabbione> zul: with choccolate too ;) [01:56] <zul> wohoo! [01:58] <zul> now if only dell would get off their butts [02:00] <fabbione> i woke at 5am today! [02:01] <zul> meh...toodles [02:09] <fabbione> later fellas [07:43] <lamont> fabbione: building now [07:43] <lamont> actually, there were some other issues that I want to look at for -6 [07:48] <fabbione> lamont: -6 ? [07:51] <lamont> util-linux 2.12p-6 [07:51] <lamont> and -6ubuntu1 [07:51] <fabbione> ah ok [07:51] <zul> fabbione: eh? i though you got stuff from my arch? [07:51] <lamont> fabbione: but I'm also going to go to lunch, and email upstream before I upload. :-) [07:52] <fabbione> zul: not yet.. i did a checkout.. look at it and merge :) [07:52] <fabbione> lamont: ehhe sounds a good plan [07:52] <fabbione> zul: i meant.. i did a checkout.. now i need to look at them and merge :) [07:53] <zul> i understand fabbione speak.. [07:56] <fabbione> zul: die [08:14] <lamont> fabbione: it should be uploaded before reasonable people are awake in your area tomorrow. :-) [08:14] <fabbione> lamont: ahaha ok :) [08:14] <fabbione> hmmm pasta today is going to be good... [08:14] <fabbione> i love to cook the tomato souce on very low fire... [08:15] <lamont> * Use helper program in mount for guessed FS types too. Thanks to Manish [08:15] <lamont> Singh and Fabio Massimo Di Nitto. Adds: 20guesshelper.dpatch [08:15] <lamont> * Remove /usr/doc links on install. Closes: #322806, #322816 [08:15] <lamont> * Fix /usr/bin/pg pager alternative. Closes: #323204 [08:15] <fabbione> it takes longer but it tastes 3 times more [08:15] <fabbione> super [08:19] <BenC> hey fab [08:20] <lamont> fabbione: please make RTC not be a module anymore in ubuntu kernels (assuming it still is) [08:20] <lamont> http://bugs.debian.org/50572 [08:30] <jbailey> lamont: Hey - did that glibc update fix your hppa troubles? [09:01] <jbailey_> What populates /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/initrd? Is that an upstream decision or something the kernel team does? [09:42] <fabbione> hey BenC [09:42] <fabbione> lamont: we can't compile it for all arches [09:43] <fabbione> some of them don't have standard RTC [09:43] <jbailey_> fabbione: Heya. [09:43] <fabbione> jbailey_: we populate it manually. [09:44] <jbailey_> Okay, so I'll just trust that you guys will continue to handle that directory for now. [09:44] <jbailey_> I had missed it in the initramfs-tools stuff. [09:45] <fabbione> jbailey_: i would love to kill it.. [09:45] <fabbione> if you want you can take it over via initramfs [09:45] <fabbione> it's only wasted space on duplicate modules [09:45] <jbailey_> That would work too. How do you decide what goes in? [09:45] <jbailey_> fabbione: It's hardlinked, so there's no wasted space. [09:46] <fabbione> jbailey_: i don't decide.. really. i found it from warty and ported forward.. [09:46] <jbailey_> fabbione: Mmm.. Then let's leave it there for now and decide for 6.04 [09:46] <jbailey_> It's the least amount of work for me to just pull it from there, and then at least we can handle it during feature hacking time. [09:47] <fabbione> sure [09:47] <fabbione> works for me [09:50] <fabbione> lamont: i will look at it again, but i remember that problem... [09:51] <zul> laster [09:56] <lamont> jbailey: dunno - haven't gotten there yet [09:56] <jbailey> lamont: Well, even on your test build, though. [09:56] <fabbione> jbailey: libc seems to be broken on sparc [09:56] <lamont> jbailey: I thought it was a gcc front end fix [09:56] <fabbione> it makes apt-utils -> apt-ftparchive segfault [09:56] <jbailey> fabbione: Just this most recent update? [09:57] <fabbione> jbailey: i did try both debian 2.3.5-3 and our latest [09:57] <lamont> kyle was playing with the debian side of things, and planning to followup with me afterwards [09:57] <lamont> jbailey: you're referring to the GOT issue? [09:58] <jbailey> lamont: Whatever the issue was that commenting out that patch was. [09:58] <jbailey> Was that the GOT issue, or was that a different one? [09:58] <jbailey> fabbione: Hmm. [09:58] <lamont> jbailey: commenting out the patch fixed that issue. [09:58] <jbailey> lamont: 'k [09:58] <lamont> the new issue is that we have GOT abs syms in shlibs, which makes many things unloadable. [09:59] <fabbione> jbailey: it actually leads to a "Bus Error" [09:59] <jbailey> lamont: Mmm, tasty. [09:59] <jbailey> fabbione: Right. But why do you think it's glibc? [09:59] <fabbione> because downgrading glibc make it working again? [09:59] <lamont> gcc.gnu.org/PR23369 [10:00] <jbailey> fabbione: glibc doesn't generally do memory allocation, it may have had something in it before that was forcing alignment by doing an extra copy or something that doesn't exist now. [10:00] <jbailey> fabbione: We'll need to trace it to the call before it SIGBUSes and figure out what it's being called with. [10:00] <fabbione> jbailey: the bus error comes right during a pread [10:00] <fabbione> iir [10:00] <fabbione> iirc [10:01] <jbailey> Right, so is the buffer that's handed in correctly alligned? [10:01] <fabbione> i will need to do it again in a chroot [10:01] <jbailey> Sure, we can play dueling screen sessions again. =) [10:01] <fabbione> jbailey: yes.. but not before i finish to download a few torrents :) [10:01] <fabbione> i am not in the mood to stop them now [10:01] <jbailey> fabbione: I'm about full up for today anyway. [10:02] <fabbione> jbailey: dude.. it's like 10pm here :) [10:02] <jbailey> Exactly. =) [10:02] <fabbione> jbailey: did you install your sparc? [10:03] <jbailey> No, I've been away the past few days. [10:03] <fabbione> ah right... [10:03] <fabbione> forgot about that [10:03] <jbailey> Reminds me that I should ask Simon is I can borrow his null modem cable to get it setup. [10:04] <fabbione> jbailey: make one... [10:04] <fabbione> it's easy .. [10:05] <jbailey> I used to have a nice breakout box for doing things like that. [10:05] <fabbione> yeah i need to get one again [10:05] <fabbione> speaking of which... i need the console cable for the U60 [10:05] <fabbione> BenC: do you happen to have the schema of the connectors around? [10:06] <fabbione> U60 has the big fat female (DB25) [10:06] <fabbione> to connect to a normal serial port (9 pin or whatever it is now) [10:12] <BenC> schema? [10:13] <BenC> you just need a regular serial cable, and a NULL modem terminator on it (or a NULL cable) [10:14] <BenC> regular 25-9 pin adapters work ok with the sparc serial too [10:14] <fabbione> BenC: hmm weird... i saw the SUN guy using a DB25 to RJ45 -> Cisco RJ45 (all crossed) -> RJ45 DB9 [10:15] <fabbione> the other solution didn't work.. [10:15] <BenC> ugly [10:15] <BenC> I have a 25pin cable, with a 9-25pin adapter and a null term [10:15] <fabbione> that's what i tested.. [10:15] <fabbione> i will try again [10:15] <BenC> should work [10:55] <fabbione> http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/08/16/computer.frenzy.ap/index.html [10:55] <fabbione> AHAHHAHA [10:58] <fabbione> cya tomorrow fellas [11:17] <jbailey> g'n fabio

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:39.045356

2005-08-21-#ubuntu-artwork

[12:13] <marco_g> hi [12:14] <marco_g> Hopefully this is the right channel for my question. [12:14] <marco_g> I am a GRUB (GRUB2) developer and looking for some advise. [12:15] <marco_g> On the grub-devel mailinglist we had a discussion about what kind of features the new GRUB should have so a nice interface can be implemented. [12:15] <marco_g> But that is a discussion between developers, which can be rather useless I guess. I hope you guys can have a look at the discussion (there are archives) and share your ideas. [12:16] <marco_g> In case ubuntu developers are interested to cooperate with GRUB developers. [12:23] <AndyFitz> marco_g this is a great topic for discussion. could you point me to the archives ? [12:25] <marco_g> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2005-08/msg00104.html [12:25] <marco_g> It's all in this thread. [12:25] <marco_g> The first email is not really interesting, it is about a patch. [12:26] <marco_g> But the following discussion is also about what should be present for a nice interface. [12:27] <AndyFitz> yeah its totally confusing . but the rest of the thread is quite interesting [12:27] <marco_g> Currently GRUB (even the old GRUB used in ubuntu) has no fancy interface at all. The interface some distributions use are some ugly patches, etc. [12:28] <marco_g> Ubuntu uses one of these patches, now we want good support in upstream. [12:28] <AndyFitz> yeah fedoras one is quite yuck ( however nicer since we get that vga-image love ) [12:29] <AndyFitz> I'm actually using fedoras grub modified with a ubuntu theme ;) ( I dual boot for work ) [12:30] <marco_g> :-) [12:30] <AndyFitz> so its only possible to have vga at the bootloader ?. thats fair enough. the Usplash guys have that same problem [12:30] <marco_g> We will have VESA support, which is even better. [12:30] <AndyFitz> OMFG I just read that [12:30] <AndyFitz> !!!!!!!!! [12:31] <AndyFitz> to a graphics guy this is like turning grapes into a fine wine.. and then getting drunk [12:32] <marco_g> lol [12:32] <marco_g> VESA means that you can have all kinds of graphics modes. [12:33] <marco_g> The GRUB Legacy patches for the splashimages have all kinds of weird limitations AFAIK. [12:34] <marco_g> AndyFitz: So what would be interesting for us are the two following things: [12:35] <marco_g> 1) What do you think of all the existing graphical bootloaders (patches for GRUB Legacy, lilo) [12:35] <marco_g> 2) What can we do to make a fancy interface? [12:35] <ogra> marco_g, VESA wont be in ubuntu [12:36] <marco_g> ogra: What do you mean? [12:36] <ogra> we have to bear with vga16fb [12:36] <marco_g> ogra: Why? [12:36] <ogra> we wont accept VESA in ubuntu [12:36] <marco_g> Why not? [12:36] <ogra> because suspend/resume doesnt work on the majority ofsystems with VESA [12:36] <ogra> thats why usplash is vga16fb [12:37] <marco_g> ogra: In that case ubuntu can use the other video drivers in GRUB2. [12:37] <marco_g> ogra: Why doesn't suspend/resume work? [12:38] <marco_g> And why is that a problem for a bootloader? [12:38] <ogra> marco_g, talk to mjg59 about that.... i'm not the suspend/resume guy :) [12:38] <marco_g> Can you point me to some discussion about that topic? [12:38] <marco_g> ok, I will :) [12:38] <ogra> there was one on the ubuntu-devel list [12:39] <ogra> where he explained it a bit... [12:42] <marco_g> ok [12:59] <ogra> marco_g, mjg59 is in #ubuntu-devel currently [01:05] <AndyFitz> marco_g aaahh this is what I remember from a conversation from mjg59 [01:06] <AndyFitz> hes the fun police when it comes to non-vga16fb [01:06] <AndyFitz> 1 I think the existing implementations are better than what we have now . but id like vesa ( although its not going to happen ) [01:07] <ogra> i'm not sure if it applies for the bootloader too though... but you will need to switch to vga16fb as soon as the kernel is responsible... that will look like crap... [01:07] <AndyFitz> 2 id really like it to use the same format ( visually ) as the Usplash bootloader when displaying text / using colours from the palette [01:17] <marco_g> ogra: I have /query'ed him. It won't be a problem if we switch back to VGA before booting the kernel. [01:19] <ogra> it will look very ugly :) [01:20] <marco_g> I do not know :) [01:22] <ogra> switching from full color to 16 color will look ugly :) [01:25] <marco_g> Right. [01:25] <marco_g> But I think 16 colors are also possible from GRUB using the vga driver. [01:25] <marco_g> Not that I would use it myself. :) [01:26] <ogra> heh [01:27] <ogra> 16 colors look ok if you got a high resolution :) but we only have 640x480 available ... [01:27] <marco_g> Right... [01:27] <ogra> so you get hit by the dithering right in the face *hudder* [01:28] <marco_g> Hi-res 16 colors is also VESA. [01:28] <marco_g> Well, I assume ubuntu will use high res, 32 bits colors on other non-VESA systems. :) [01:29] <marco_g> PPC, etc. [01:31] <marco_g> But if you guys have any suggestions about a nice interface, please contact me (IRC or metgerards@student.han.nl) or the GRUB developers (grub-devel@gnu.org, you have to be subscribed before you can post :-/) [01:31] <AndyFitz> ogra, well not really dithering just the biliniear blurring [01:32] <ogra> heh, yes [01:32] <ogra> ugliness... in any case :) [01:32] <AndyFitz> marco_g fore the artTeam preferred stuff it would really be cool to be the same as Usplash. as far as text font layout positioning and colours [01:34] <marco_g> AndyFitz: Do you have any screenshots of that? [01:34] <ogra> marco_g, there is no artwork yet [01:35] <ogra> just a placeholder.... [01:35] <AndyFitz> marco_g, sadly no because Usplash isnt finished. it would be best to talk to mjg59 but I can do a mockup [01:35] <AndyFitz> at 640x480 16 [01:36] <ogra> i wonder if we could have a widescreen image that gets cut down dynamically to 640x480.... on my widescreen display it looks terrible stretched [01:51] <AndyFitz> ogra, I have a widescreen too. matthew said it would be possible [01:52] <AndyFitz> for Usplash. but this was a long time ago ( mentioned at UDU ) [01:52] <ogra> great :)

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:39.052583

2005-08-21-#ubuntu-doc

[12:10] <mpt> How to charge a documentation project? With a battering ram, and a large quantity of superb writing ready to use. [12:11] <ranto> my english is not very good, what i mean is how to price it [12:12] <ranto> i have to write a java tutorial with full copyright [12:13] <ranto> and i don't know how much is the standard man/hour price [12:15] <HrdwrBoB> ranto: in au we quoted $90/hr for coding [12:15] <HrdwrBoB> settled at $75/hr [12:18] <mpt> sorry for the joke [12:18] <ranto> wow thats a lot :D [12:18] <ranto> its ok, no problem! [12:18] <HrdwrBoB> ranto: yeah it depends on the job [12:19] <ranto> it's a java tutorial for japan [12:19] <HrdwrBoB> but if you're experienced and delivering a finished product on a short contract basis [12:19] <HrdwrBoB> you have to make your money somehow [12:19] <ranto> i've 20 days to finish the job [12:25] <ranto> HrdwrBoB: us dolars? [12:30] <Madpilot> Australian dollars, I'm assuming - I think HrdwrBoB is in .au [05:04] <jsgotangco> jdub, ping? [05:12] <jdub> pong [05:13] <jsgotangco> jdub, who built/updated the install guide in the breezy iso? [05:13] <jdub> no idea [05:14] <jsgotangco> hmm ask the list i guess? [05:14] <jsgotangco> its the debian installer doc with an ubuntu flavour [05:15] <mgalvin> jdub: Kamion i think [05:15] <jdub> jsgotangco: it's probably colin [05:15] <jsgotangco> most probably [05:16] <jsgotangco> ill ask colin later [05:25] <mpt> Morning all [05:26] <mgalvin> morning mpt [05:35] <jsgotangco> mpt, looked at your UbuntuHelp on baz [05:35] <jsgotangco> what needs to be done there? [05:40] <mpt> hi jsgotangco, pong :-) [05:40] <mpt> thanks for looking at it [05:41] <mpt> How recently did you merge? I mirrored quite a lot of changes about 14 hours ago [05:41] <jsgotangco> i haven't merged yet [05:41] <jsgotangco> im just followed your steps in the wiki [05:42] <mpt> ah, ok [05:42] <jsgotangco> since i don't know yet what needs to be done, most of the issues you raised are yelp stylesheets [05:43] <mpt> So, baz merge mpt@myrealbox.com/help--0 should get you my latest changes [05:43] <mpt> Yes, stylesheet niceties [05:44] <mpt> So, what else is missing [05:44] <mpt> The Breezy-specific stuff, basically [05:44] <mpt> Since I only had the time+machine to consider installing Breezy as of Friday [05:45] <mpt> and afaict the installer CDs have been pretty dodgy since then [05:45] <jsgotangco> yes [05:45] <mpt> So, stuff about setting up a firewall [05:45] <mpt> and connecting to a wireless network [05:45] <mpt> Actually, connecting to the Internet in general [05:45] <mpt> I could find practically no information about that at all [05:45] <jsgotangco> so we're aiming for a Yelp-aware doc? [05:46] <mpt> except for the WiFiHowTo or whatever it's called on the wiki [05:46] <mpt> I'm not sure what you mean by yelp-aware [05:47] <jsgotangco> if it opens up in Yelp [05:47] <jsgotangco> because Yelp is pretty dumb in other docbook tags [05:47] <jsgotangco> sime [05:47] <jsgotangco> some [05:48] <mpt> yeah, I noticed [05:48] <mpt> The to-do list on the wiki page are my biggest gripes [05:51] <jsgotangco> hmmm [05:51] <jsgotangco> is ubuntu-help my branch then? [05:51] <mpt> Type "baz tree-version" (without quotes) [05:51] <mpt> that'll tell you what your branch is [05:52] <jsgotangco> jsg@pingu:~/ubuntu-help$ baz tree-version [05:52] <jsgotangco> jgotangco@gmail.com/help--0 [05:52] <mpt> ok [05:52] <jsgotangco> err [05:52] <jsgotangco> where is this? [05:53] <mpt> Where on disk? [05:53] <jsgotangco> yeah [05:53] <jsgotangco> ubuntu-help? [05:53] <mpt> If you followed the instructions on the wiki it's in an ubuntu-help directory, yes [05:54] <jsgotangco> ok what's the purpose of the archives folder then? [05:54] <mpt> The archives folder records the various archives you have [05:54] <mpt> For example in my ~/archives I have records for mpt@canonical.com (my Launchpad work) and mpt@myrealbox.com (my Ubuntu Help work) [05:55] <jsgotangco> ok so actual editing is done on ubuntu-help right? [05:55] <jsgotangco> i see [05:55] <mpt> Yes, you just edit the files inside ubuntu-help [05:55] <mpt> You can use "baz diff" to see what you've done [05:55] <Flonne> Unpaid overtime == bad. [05:55] <mpt> ("baz diff | less" if you've done a lot) [05:56] <Flonne> I'll get back to work now. [05:56] <mpt> heya Flonne [05:56] <Flonne> Hi. [05:56] <jsgotangco> heh [05:56] <mpt> What kind of job? [05:56] <Flonne> Techwriting, system document evaluation, and Python prototyping. [05:57] <mpt> Someday I'll be good enough to be a professional tech writer [05:57] <jsgotangco> mpt, so if i do some changes, i request you to merge to my archive? [05:57] <mpt> jsgotangco: Correct [05:58] <mpt> you commit them (baz commit -s "summary") and mirror them (baz archive-mirror), and then I can merge from them [05:59] <mpt> And the same for my changes, you merge from those [05:59] <mpt> Providing you agree with them, of course :-) [06:00] <mpt> Flonne: How's the hand? [06:02] <Flonne> It's better. I also got a chance to play with Yelp and XSL at work, so hopefully I'll find the problem soon. [06:02] <Flonne> Thanks for asking. [06:02] <jsgotangco> mpt, i like the structure [06:03] <mpt> as in the sections and subsections? [06:03] <jsgotangco> yes [06:04] <mpt> Modelled loosely on the Gnome User Guide [06:05] <jsgotangco> i noticed..the it still needs a lot of work though [06:05] <mpt> yes [06:05] <jsgotangco> i dont think this can be done by documentation freeze [06:05] <jsgotangco> but its a nice start [06:06] <mpt> Well, I guess that depends partly on the number of contributors :-) [06:06] <jsgotangco> :) [06:06] <jsgotangco> i'd like to work on it and learn baz more on the process [06:06] <Flonne> It could be done if existing sources are mined for information and a few editors refine the content... [06:06] <jsgotangco> Flonne, yeah we can pull info from the gnome user guide [06:07] <jsgotangco> some from the faq guide being worked on and just detail it further [06:08] <mpt> For me, where I've been writing topics the same as covered in the GUG, I'm pretty sure it's been faster for me to write from scratch [06:08] <mpt> but I guess it might be different for other people [06:08] <jsgotangco> i'll see what i can hack up later and request for a merge when i see you [06:08] <mpt> excellent, thanks [06:09] <jsgotangco> mpt, ok say we have 10 contributors, who manages the merge? only 1 person? [06:09] <mpt> jsgotangco: How long ago did you grab the archive? [06:09] <jsgotangco> mpt, last night, updated today [06:10] <mpt> ok [06:10] <Flonne> baz up ~= svn up? [06:10] <mpt> No, there's no mainline for "up" to work from [06:10] <jsgotangco> everyone has a copy [06:10] <jsgotangco> there is no server copy [06:10] <mpt> right [06:10] <Flonne> Ah. [06:11] <Flonne> I'll need to read about this system tomorrow. [06:11] <jsgotangco> so it can be a bit confusing at the start [06:11] <mpt> What usually happens, as far as I know, is that two or three people end up being the hub of the wheel [06:11] <jsgotangco> the rest would request then [06:11] <mpt> They pull in contributions from others [06:11] <mpt> and constantly merge between themselves [06:11] <jsgotangco> how is conflict resolved? [06:11] <mpt> It helps if they're in different timezones :-) [06:11] <jsgotangco> via the merge? [06:11] <mpt> Yes [06:12] <mpt> When you do a merge, it'll tell you if there were conflicts [06:12] <mpt> the conflicted files will be prefixed with "C" in the listing instead of "M" [06:12] <mpt> When you open them, you can see conflict markers which look roughly like this [06:12] <mpt> <<<<<< TREE [06:12] <mpt> your stuff here [06:12] <mpt> [06:12] <mpt> the stuff you merged from here [06:13] <mpt> >>>>>> MERGE-SOURCE [06:13] <mpt> So for each of those sections, you can decide which bits should be retained [06:13] <mpt> edit the files as appropriate [06:13] <mpt> and once you've done that for all the conflicts, "baz resolved --all" [06:14] <jsgotangco> hmm ok if you're merging my changes you'd do baz merge jgotangco@gmail.com/help--0 as well? [06:14] <mpt> exactly [06:14] <jsgotangco> i dont have a supermirror [06:14] <mpt> You don't have an account on the supermirror? [06:14] <Flonne> Hmm... 123 updates for Breezy today. Maybe I should revert. [06:14] <mpt> jsgotangco: So is your archive public at all [06:14] <jsgotangco> it won't let me do it if i follow your wiki [06:14] <mpt> ? [06:15] <mpt> really? [06:15] <Flonne> amd64 [06:15] <jsgotangco> jsg@pingu:~/ubuntu-help$ baz make-archive -m jgotangco@gmail.com sftp://jgotangco@gmail.com@mirrors.sourcecontrol.net/jgotangco@gmail.com [06:15] <jsgotangco> Permission denied (publickey). [06:15] <jsgotangco> Error reading from server [06:15] <jsgotangco> jsg@pingu:~/ubuntu-help$ [06:15] <mpt> hmmmm [06:15] <mpt> What's your Launchpad account name? [06:16] <mpt> Flonne: That might be a good thing :-) [06:16] <jsgotangco> jgotangco@gmail.com [06:17] <Flonne> The first sixty were Xorg input updates. That's a lot, considering xserver-xorg isn't one of the packages to be upgraded. [06:18] <mpt> jsgotangco: Oh, you need your SSH key registered with Launchpad [06:18] <jsgotangco> i see [06:18] <jsgotangco> ahh [06:18] <mpt> I think that's the problem [06:18] <jsgotangco> i haven't done that [06:18] <mpt> I'll put that on the wiki page [06:19] <mpt> sorry, I went over those instructions with the lead baz hacker, but we both missed that step :-) [06:19] <jsgotangco> You need to register an SSH key with Launchpad to be able to publish your Bazaar code branches in the Bazaar supermirror. [06:19] <jsgotangco> right [06:19] <jsgotangco> so that's why [06:24] <mpt> Flonne: So now would be a bad time to install Breezy from scratch? [06:25] <mpt> jsgotangco: wiki page fixed. [06:26] <jsgotangco> alright ill try it out again now [06:27] <Flonne> It's still holding back three packages... including Python. [06:28] <jsgotangco> ill just make a small edit and commit [06:28] <Flonne> I'm not sure about i386, but I'm going to replace my 64-bit Gentoo partition with Hoary so I can work. [06:29] <mpt> jsgotangco: Committing you can do anyway, it's the archive-mirror that's the test :-) [06:30] <jsgotangco> mpt, archive-mirror goes into my supermirror right? [06:30] <mpt> goes to your account on the Supermirror, yes [06:31] <jsgotangco> wooo Seg fault [06:31] <mpt> erk [06:31] <jsgotangco> jsg@pingu:~/ubuntu-help$ baz archive-mirror [06:31] <jsgotangco> Enter passphrase for key '/home/jsg/.ssh/id_rsa': [06:31] <jsgotangco> Segmentation fault [06:31] <jsgotangco> so that's the test :) [06:31] <mpt> oh man [06:31] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, pong [06:32] <jsgotangco> wow [06:32] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, where have you been? roaming in the real world lately? :) [06:32] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, at my gf's place [06:32] <Burgundavia> which means my machine stays on [06:32] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, my laptop is being held captive by customs [06:32] <Burgundavia> ouch [06:33] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, if they are asking for money, canonical should cover it. But you need to pay up front [06:33] <jsgotangco> no worries though, claire to the rescue [06:33] <jsgotangco> mpt, if i always get a segfault, i wont be able to mirror and you can't merge :) [06:34] <mpt> jsgotangco: I realize that [06:34] <mpt> I ... don't know why that could be happening [06:35] <mpt> jsgotangco: Try using the ssh-add command [06:35] <mpt> and then baz archive-mirror [06:35] <mpt> That'll tell us what's segfaulting, ssh or baz [06:36] <jsgotangco> i still segfault on baz [06:36] <mpt> oh, sucks [06:37] <jsgotangco> the authentication agent works [06:40] <mpt> It seems pretty much all the Bazaar hackers are asleep/busy [06:40] <mpt> Try asking in #bazaar in a few hours [06:41] <mpt> Sorry I can't help you further [06:41] <mpt> No response in there at the moment. [06:42] <jsgotangco> its ok i'll just grab a bite first [06:43] <mpt> There's always e-mail :-) [06:43] <mpt> By default, "baz diff" gives you the diff since your last commit [06:43] <jsgotangco> yes i did that [06:43] <jsgotangco> its really nice [06:43] <mpt> but "baz diff mpt@myrealbox.com/help--0" will give you the diff between yours and mine, regardless of whether you've committed or mirrored or whatever [06:44] <jsgotangco> ahh [06:44] <mpt> Also good for examining someone's changes to see if you want to merge them [06:44] <jsgotangco> i see your 14 patches [06:44] <mpt> It takes quite a bit longer than a normal diff, because it's comparing across the network [06:49] <mpt> jsgotangco: Do you know how to use gdb? [06:52] <Flonne> What problem? [06:53] <Flonne> Yelp is still not accepting XSL, but I'll continue reading while downloading Hoary. [06:54] <mpt> The baz problem [06:55] <mpt> Though from "downloading Hoary" I guess you have slightly bigger issues to deal with :-) [06:55] <Flonne> Well, I could install it from Knoppix, but I really want to get something done. :) [06:59] <jeffsch> mpt: I get Permission denied (publickey) when trying to create supermirror [06:59] <jeffsch> is that an ssh problem? [07:00] <mpt> jeffsch: I've just updated the instructions to mention that you need to register your SSH key with Launchpad [07:00] <mpt> jsgotangco had the same problem [07:00] <mpt> soryr [07:00] <mpt> sorry, even [07:00] <jeffsch> hmmm... i see that, but there is no "SSH Keys" on the right of my launchpad page [07:01] <mpt> yes there is, I can see it from here [07:01] <mpt> https://launchpad.net/people/jeffsch [07:01] <mpt> between "Bugs Reported" and "GPG Keys" [07:02] <jeffsch> ahhh. silly me... i was looking at the launchpad homepage, and not MY launchpad page :) [07:02] <mpt> ok, good point [07:05] <jeffsch> might also be useful to mention that "baz make-archive -m your@e-mail.address etc etc" is all one line, and not two lines [07:07] <mpt> done. [07:07] <mpt> ok, 2am, I'd better sleep or I'll be late for work yet again [07:08] <Flonne> I don't seem to have encountered any problems while setting up a baz account. [07:09] <jsgotangco> creating a supermirror relies on an ssh key [07:09] <mpt> Flonne: I meant when doing archive-mirror [07:11] <jeffsch> ok, i have to generate an ssh key: which is better - rsa or dsa? [07:11] <Flonne> I'd need something to commit. I'll do that at work. You need sleep. [07:11] <jdub> jeffsch: dsa [07:12] <mpt> 'night, people [07:12] <highvoltage> night mpt [07:12] <Flonne> G'night. [07:12] <jeffsch> night [07:13] <jsgotangco> night [07:13] <jsgotangco> mpt, thanks [07:13] <mpt> jsgotangco: So if you want to, you can e-mail a diff [07:13] <jsgotangco> ok [07:13] <mpt> if you get no luck in #bazaar [07:19] <jeffsch> jdub: how long for the ssh public key to work its way through the launchpad system? [07:19] <jeffsch> i still get Permission denied (publickey). [07:19] <jsgotangco> hmm [07:19] <jsgotangco> it just worked for me instantly [07:19] <jsgotangco> after uploading my ssh key [07:20] <jeffsch> doh! my bad. hold on a sec... [07:23] <jeffsch> ok. it worked. I only changed two of the three "your@e-mail.address". tsk tsk [07:24] <jsgotangco> heh [07:26] <jeffsch> jsgotangco: what up with styleguide? a while ago you said something about making pdf available [07:27] <jeffsch> i want to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StyleGuide with appropriate info [07:27] <jsgotangco> ouch [07:28] <jsgotangco> i havent fop'ed it yet! [07:28] <jsgotangco> sorry [07:28] <jeffsch> np [07:28] <jeffsch> i can prolly get around to it myself. [07:28] <jsgotangco> and i don't have anywhere to put the PDF either [07:28] <jeffsch> only thing is, where to put it? [07:28] <jeffsch> oh [07:29] <jsgotangco> should have been on the linode but only mdke has access to it at the moment for all i know [07:29] <jeffsch> ok. so next time you see mdke, ask him about it - i will ask too [07:30] <jsgotangco> ok [07:30] <jdub> jeffsch: shuoldn't take long at all [07:31] <jeffsch> yeah... turned out to be my fault [09:37] <Madpilot> how long did that take? [09:37] <Burgundavia> a couple of hours [09:37] <Madpilot> not too bad, then [09:37] <Burgundavia> only 319 [09:39] <Madpilot> must have been lots of glance-and-delete to get thru 319 in only a couple hours [09:39] <Burgundavia> most are bug email [09:40] <Madpilot> are you on #ubuntu now? following Determinist's "what Linux should do" rant? [09:41] <Burgundavia> yes, but not actively following it [09:42] <Madpilot> can you send me a gmail invite? they still don't seem to be accepting regular signups [09:43] <jsgotangco> i can send you one [09:43] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: that was actually meant for Burgundavia, but whatever! yh728@victoria.tc.ca - you two can race to see which gets to me first... ;) [09:43] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, done [09:43] <jsgotangco> there [09:43] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: thanks [09:49] <Burgundavia> bloody hell. Meeting in 6 hours [09:49] <Madpilot> that's early... [09:49] <jsgotangco> what meeting? [09:49] <Burgundavia> 14:00 UTC [09:50] <Burgundavia> oh wait, 1 day and 6 hours [09:50] <Madpilot> bit of a difference. still too early in the morning [09:50] <Burgundavia> need to be up early that morning anyway [10:54] <mdke> jsgotangco, yo [10:55] <jsgotangco> hi [10:55] <mdke> aha [10:55] <mdke> hello [10:55] <mdke> saw a highlight from you about the linode? [10:55] <jsgotangco> been busy? [10:55] <mdke> yeah [10:55] <mdke> looking for a place to live [10:55] <jsgotangco> oh yeah [10:55] <mdke> wassup? [10:55] <jsgotangco> well me an jeffsch are stumped on where to put our PDF on styleguide [10:55] <mdke> ok [10:56] <mdke> what are the options? [10:56] <mdke> build/gnome? [10:56] <jsgotangco> make pdf on styleguide [10:56] <jsgotangco> but it needs apache fop [10:56] <mdke> what is that? [10:57] <mdke> it needs it to build? [10:57] <jsgotangco> http://xml.apache.org/fop/ [10:57] <jsgotangco> just the pdf [10:57] <jsgotangco> the make html works [10:57] <mdke> ok is this apache fop in Ubuntu? [10:58] <jsgotangco> nope [10:58] <mdke> damn [10:58] <mdke> so what do we do? [10:59] <jsgotangco> hmm [10:59] <jsgotangco> i can make a PDF on oxygen [10:59] <jsgotangco> and just upload it [10:59] <mdke> hmm [10:59] <mdke> it would be better to have it automated on the server tho no? [11:00] <jsgotangco> yeah [11:00] <jsgotangco> but jeff's script needs fop [11:00] <mdke> if we can get it building and into the "make all" then it will get copied with the rest [11:00] <mdke> jsgotangco, we can install fop on the server? [11:00] <jsgotangco> you have root [11:01] <mdke> yes, and henrik [11:01] <jsgotangco> we'd like to release StyleGuide [11:01] <mdke> i'll install it then [11:01] <jsgotangco> ok [11:01] <mdke> will you put the make target into "all"? [11:02] <jsgotangco> all our docs? [11:02] <mdke> jsgotangco, there is currently a make all in the /gnome/ folder [11:02] <mdke> if you can add the styleguide, it will get built automatically with the others [11:03] <mdke> actually it doesn't make sense to put it under gnome/ [11:03] <jsgotangco> i can try im not too familiar with the other scripts, only jeff's [11:03] <mdke> i can do a separate cronjob if you like [11:03] <mdke> but it would be best to have one make target that builds both html and pdf, what do you think? [11:04] <jsgotangco> sure that's the best route actually i will just compare the scripts that we have [11:05] <mdke> ok [11:05] <mdke> leave the existing ones, and make one that calls both? [11:05] <jsgotangco> well that should be our end goal [11:05] <jsgotangco> is that linode in hoary? [11:07] <mdke> it runs hoary [11:08] <jsgotangco> ackkk styelsheet borkage [11:10] <mdke> where should I install fop? [11:12] <mdke> looks like I just have to untar the binary somewhere convenient, if you tell me the right address for your scripts, I'll do it there [11:12] <jsgotangco> im trying to remember where i put it then [11:13] <mdke> ok cool [11:18] <mdke> i've changed my mind [11:18] <mdke> i'm gonna install from source, that way all the paths should be right [11:18] <jsgotangco> wha? [11:19] <mdke> the make pdf script seems to need fop.sh, so building from source should ensure that that script is installed in the right place [11:19] <mdke> or no? [11:19] <jsgotangco> yes [11:20] <mdke> actually... building it requires java [11:20] <mdke> jsgotangco, lemme know where you have it installed and I'll install it now [11:20] <mdke> also, do a "locate fop.sh" [11:22] <mdke> looks like I need java anyway [11:23] <mdke> jeez is there no other way to build pdf? [11:23] <Burgundavia> xml2pdf? [11:24] <mdke> i dunno anything about it [11:25] <Burgundavia> part of the xml2 package [11:26] <mdke> that does sound a bit more convenient [11:26] <mdke> jsgotangco? [11:26] <Burgundavia> just call it as part of a script [11:26] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco has used it for edubuntu stuff I think [11:26] <jsgotangco> sorry i was downstairs [11:27] <jsgotangco> no i used a Java ide for that [11:27] <mdke> if we can do xml->pdf without installing java and a non-packaged library, that would be a bit more convenient no? [11:27] <jsgotangco> it should be [11:27] <jsgotangco> i'm trying to install the binary on this machine and it just fails [11:28] <mdke> ok can you let me know via email? maybe Sean will be able to help [11:28] <jsgotangco> ok i'll just email later [11:29] <mdke> i'll set up the server this evening if so [11:29] <mdke> i'll get it building html already [11:29] <mdke> (also if you do a make all target, that would rock) [11:30] <mdke> argh [11:30] <mdke> what does he use for building the html? [11:30] <mdke> make: xmllint: Command not found [11:30] <jsgotangco> on what? [11:30] <jsgotangco> styleguide? [11:30] <jsgotangco> make html works for me [11:31] <mdke> yeah [11:31] <jsgotangco> without any other app [11:31] <mdke> seems not to use the same tool as the other docs [11:31] <mdke> it uses something the linode doesn't have installed yet [11:31] <jsgotangco> its basic docbook stylesheets [11:31] <jsgotangco> jsg@pingu:~/ubuntu-doc/styleguide$ make html [11:31] <jsgotangco> xmllint --dtdvalid /usr/share/xml/docbook/schema/dtd/4.3/docbookx.dtd --noout --xinclude --noent --postvalid styleguide.xml [11:31] <jsgotangco> xsltproc -o ../build/styleguide/styleguide.html /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/html/docbook.xsl styleguide.xml [11:32] <mdke> dude [11:32] <mdke> the other docs build, this doesn't. So it _must_ be using a different tool to them [11:32] <mdke> because the linode doesn't have the xmllint progra installed [11:32] <jsgotangco> hmm [11:32] <mdke> i'll try and install it if you like, but it would seem sensible to build all the docs the same way [11:32] <jsgotangco> what is the syntax of the other docs? [11:33] <mdke> not sure [11:33] <mdke> you have to look at the makefiles [11:33] <mdke> in gnome/ and kde/ [11:33] <Burgundavia> night all [11:33] <jsgotangco> hmm ok [11:34] <mdke> jsgotangco, anyway for now I've installed xmllint and it works [11:34] <jsgotangco> let me check this, i see some stuff on themake file [11:38] <mdke> ok I've set up a cronjob to build the styleguide and serve it [11:38] <mdke> for now it is just doing "make html", when you set up a "make all" i'll change it [11:38] <mdke> http://65.19.178.132/styleguide/ [11:38] <jsgotangco> ok i'll test it first [11:38] <mdke> cool, let me know via email [11:39] <mdke> looks great btw [11:40] <jsgotangco> hmm there's make sg [11:40] <jsgotangco> but no pdf [11:40] <jsgotangco> its all html make [11:40] <mdke> ? [11:40] <mdke> there is a make pdf in the styleguide folder [11:41] <mdke> if you get jeffsch on it, he'll sort it out I'm sure [11:41] <jsgotangco> no in the big makefile in gnome [11:41] <mdke> ah [11:41] <jsgotangco> he probably mixed up on the 2 scripts [11:41] <mdke> if I were you I'd remove references to the styleguide in gnome/ because it is separate really [11:41] <jsgotangco> and forgot about the big script [11:41] <mdke> that is probably deprecated [11:41] <mdke> best thing is to have a "make all" target in the styleguide/ makefile [11:42] <jsgotangco> make html on styleguide goes into build as well? [11:42] <mdke> yes [11:42] <mdke> OUTFILE = ../build/styleguide/styleguide [11:42] <mdke> it goes into build/styleguide [11:42] <jsgotangco> right [11:42] <jsgotangco> so that works [11:42] <jsgotangco> hrmm [11:42] <mdke> yep [11:43] <jsgotangco> wonder what is wrong with the other make i did [11:43] <mdke> we can just email jeffsch [11:43] <mdke> maybe ask if he can build the pdf without using fop, via some other tool that doesn't require installing java [11:44] <jsgotangco> it built nicely on my ide though :) [11:44] <mdke> and then if he can do a make all target [11:44] <mdke> sure [11:44] <mdke> if there is no other way to build pdf, then we will have to install java and fop on the server [11:44] <mdke> i'm sure Sean will know the best way [11:44] <jsgotangco> heh [11:45] <mdke> maybe investigate this xml2pdf thing [11:46] <jsgotangco> ok i'm going out for a walk first [11:46] <mdke> cool [11:46] <mdke> see ya later [11:46] <jsgotangco> i've been in this room for hours [11:46] <jsgotangco> nothing else to do [11:46] <mdke> heh [11:46] <mdke> see you on email [11:46] <mdke> need to go and look at some more houses [03:31] <mgalvin> morning all [03:32] <rob^> morning [03:32] <rob^> doesnt look like there is going to be enough people to approve membership to CC at this meeting [03:32] <rob^> dam it [03:33] <mgalvin> for who [03:33] <rob^> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda [03:33] <rob^> I think they need 3 acutal members or something [03:33] <mgalvin> did they already speak to you? [03:34] <rob^> I spoke to them [03:37] <mgalvin> hm, this meeting was to early in the am for me to get to all of it, did anyone give you +1 [03:37] <mgalvin> who was around [03:37] <rob^> I asked, the said "go for it" [03:38] <rob^> its still going now [03:43] <mgalvin> i am there to +1 for you [03:43] <mgalvin> they are doing members now [03:43] <rob^> thanks [03:43] <rob^> yep [03:43] <jsgotangco> members? [03:43] <mgalvin> think they just called on u [03:43] <mgalvin> CC meeting [03:44] <jsgotangco> oh there's a CC now? [03:44] <rob^> JonathanJesse [03:44] <rob^> yep [03:44] <mgalvin> yup [03:44] <jsgotangco> i forgot its tuesday [03:45] <mgalvin> i missed the first half, to early for me [03:45] <mpt> hi jsgotangco, any luck with baz? [03:46] <jsgotangco> i still segfault [03:46] <jsgotangco> i didnt see the baz people online either [03:46] <mpt> jsgotangco: Did you get a backtrace? [03:47] <jsgotangco> err why should i do that? [03:48] <mpt> to debug the crash with [03:48] <mpt> or more precisely, for the Bazaar hackers to debug the crash with [03:48] <jsgotangco> baz makes a log on that? [04:17] <jjesse> morning [04:17] <rob^> morning [04:25] <jjesse> did my commit to svn come across? i made some changes to kuserguide, but haven't seen the normal email (i'm subscribed to that list that sends out changes) [04:25] <mpt> jsgotangco: No, you need to use gdb for it, that's why I asked you earlier if you knew how to use gdb [04:26] <rob^> jjesse, yes [04:26] <rob^> 1595 [04:26] <jjesse> thansk rob^ [04:27] <jsgotangco> hmm [04:27] <jsgotangco> i only see enrico's [04:27] <jsgotangco> ahh [04:27] <jsgotangco> wait [04:27] <jsgotangco> right [04:28] <jsgotangco> mpt: i'll check it later then [04:28] <jsgotangco> im getting a bit sleepy [04:28] <jsgotangco> heh [05:53] <jsgotangco> good night [05:53] <rob^> night all [05:54] <mgalvin> g'night [06:34] <rwabel> @RobertStoffers: why did you remove the ubuntuguide link? It's still a ressource! Could u next time comment the change you made [06:34] <rwabel> why isn't it possible to revert the last change on the UserDocumentaion? [06:34] <highvoltage> rwabel: ubuntuguide is not seen as a reliable link, it also doesn't offer explanations. [06:39] <mdke> rwabel, it is always possible to revert [06:40] <mgalvin> highvoltage: why is ubuntuguide not seen as reliable? "many" people have found it "very" useful [06:40] <mdke> it is a good link and should be there [06:40] <mdke> and it is especially bad that there was no comment made when editing that page [06:41] <highvoltage> the ubuntu community says that ubuntu-guide should not be recommended. it says so somewhere in the wiki too. [06:41] <mgalvin> i don't understand why people, especially the nun don't like ubuntuguide, so many new users have stayed with ubuntu b/c of it [06:41] <highvoltage> i'll search for the link quickly... [06:41] <mgalvin> yea, the nun [06:41] <mdke> highvoltage, the ubuntu community? [06:41] <mdke> that depends how you define community dude [06:41] <mgalvin> just the nun say that iirc [06:41] <highvoltage> mdke: true [06:42] <mgalvin> most of the community absolutely love it [06:42] <mdke> if you include the thousands and thousands of users of the ubuntuguide, you're gonna struggle to make your point [06:42] <mdke> although we have some problems with the guide, i don't hesitate to recommend it for many things [06:43] <mdke> rwabel, reverted [06:43] <highvoltage> i don't know ubuntuguide, so i don't have any gripes with it. i know that i've seen many, many times, that people on the ubuntu irc channels say that you should avoid ubuntuguide. [06:43] <mdke> yeah for some things it is not great [06:43] <mdke> but for others it is [06:44] <mdke> people on irc channels can get a bit high and mighty sometimes [06:44] <mgalvin> yea the people on #ubuntu saying that are nun members and they don't represent the majority... of course it has pros and cons but the pros seem to outweigh the cons [06:46] <highvoltage> ah yes, the bot on ubuntu says this when you ask about ubuntuguide: [06:46] <highvoltage> 18:45 < ubotu> somebody said ubuntuguide was a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned [06:46] <mdke> bah [06:47] <mdke> if I wanted to set up Samba I would use it [06:47] <mdke> or something like that [06:47] <mdke> as I say, they get a bit high and mighty on #ubuntu sometimes [06:48] <mdke> gah [06:51] <mdke> mgalvin, does the faq guide need any proof reading? [06:51] <mgalvin> mdke: yup [06:51] <mdke> is it ready for that? [06:52] <mgalvin> mostly yes, feel free to start proofing [06:53] <mdke> cool [06:53] <mdke> i guess the relevant sections are marked review/ [06:53] <mdke> ? [06:53] <mgalvin> thats the status' right? [06:53] <mgalvin> no that are not marked [06:54] <mdke> ah [06:54] <mgalvin> just about the whole thing is done [06:54] <mgalvin> java still needs to be worked, but i will have that done soon [06:54] <mdke> ok marks some sections "review" and I will do a bit [06:54] <mdke> marks/mark [06:55] <mgalvin> ok, i will mark those as soon as i get a chance... at work right now [06:55] <mdke> cool [06:56] <mdke> i have plenty to do on this damn laptop but i haven't done any doc work for ages so it will be nice to do some reviewing [07:53] <jjesse> afternoon [07:55] <judax> Hi [07:57] <jjesse> how ofen does the preview site get updated? [08:15] <rwabel> mdke: thanks for reverting, in my case there has only been revert links for the other changes [08:16] <rwabel> highvoltage: doesn't matter if it doesn't offer explanations. It's another ressource. It's no bad. And there has been a long discussion about it. It's an external link and not supported by ubuntu people but it's a know ressource [08:18] <highvoltage> rwabel: i didn't say it was a bad resource. [08:18] <highvoltage> rwabel: other people have said so. like i said, i have no problems with ubuntu-guide. [08:25] <mgalvin> is everyone one turing into business managers ;) [08:27] <jjesse> what mgalvin ? [08:28] <mgalvin> calling things/people/page/anything a "resource" is manager speak [08:28] <mgalvin> just joking about mpt head exploding b/c of "resource" [08:29] <jjesse> grin [08:38] <mdke> jjesse, i updated it yesterday [08:38] <jjesse> * thinks outside of the box [08:38] <mdke> rwabel, you have to use the revert link on the version you want to revert to [08:38] <mdke> rwabel, that's why the latest version has no revert link [08:39] <mdke> jjesse, once we have an address for our linode server though, it will be updated daily automatically [08:40] <mdke> jjesse, did you get the messages I just posted? not sure if you got disconnected first [08:40] <jjesse> hmmm why do i always get disconnected [08:40] <jjesse> last one i got was mpt transcending the paradigm [08:40] <mdke> ok [08:41] <mdke> [19:38:03] < mdke> jjesse, i updated it yesterday [08:41] <mdke> [19:39:10] < mdke> jjesse, once we have an address for our linode server though, it will be updated daily automatically [08:41] <jjesse> mdke thanks i was wondering how that worked as i had committed some changes and stuff [08:41] <mdke> jjesse, if its to the kde stuff, Sean updates it quite regularly [08:42] <jjesse> nod it was kde stuff [08:42] <mdke> once we have an address for the linode, both kde and gnome will be updated every day tho [08:42] <jjesse> is there a better preview then waiting for it to be updated? [08:43] <jjesse> especially in kubuntu [08:45] <mdke> you can build it yourself and view it [08:45] <mdke> or view it directly as xml [08:45] <mdke> to build, do "cd ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde" [08:45] <mdke> then "make kall" [08:45] <jjesse> make all or make kall? [08:45] <mdke> kall sald [08:45] <mdke> sadly [08:46] <jjesse> hmm thats different then normal [08:48] <jjesse> umm i just got lots of errors on the make kall for kuserguide [08:48] <mdke> yeah it sucks. have a look in the makefile to find out how to build individual documents [08:49] <jjesse> should i just post the errors in an email to the doc list? [08:50] <mdke> no [08:50] <mdke> they are probably because you don't have stuff installed [08:51] <jjesse> kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml:6: parser warning : PEReference: %xinclude; not found [08:51] <jjesse> %xinclude; [08:51] <mdke> ah [08:51] <mdke> that is an error in the xml [08:52] <mdke> you should check the xml all the time as you work using the validate.sh script [08:52] <mdke> e.g. [08:52] <mdke> ./validate.sh kde/kuserguide/kuserguide.xml [08:52] <mdke> those sorts of errors can go to the list yeah [08:53] <jjesse> ok [09:00] <rwabel> mdke: ah ok. thanks [09:01] <rwabel> highvoltage: I know others are saying. That wasn't for me a reason to remove it. Acutally I prefer to have it as an external ressource. People can decide by themself if they want to use it or not :-) [09:20] <highvoltage> rwabel: cool bananas. [09:41] <rwabel> highvoltage: bananas? [10:00] <mpt> Who here knows about the ubuntu-doc SVN repository? [10:00] <mpt> mgalvin? [10:01] <mgalvin> mpt: whats up [10:02] <mpt> mgalvin: Is there a "viewsvn" for the repository? [10:08] <mgalvin> i don't think so [10:54] <mdke> mpt, what is viewsvn? [10:54] <mpt> I don't know :-) [10:54] <mdke> what do you want to do? [10:54] <mpt> ddaa is currently trying to get ubuntu-doc imported into baz [10:55] <mdke> ah [10:55] <mpt> as Launchpad does for over 500 other projects developed in CVS/SVN [10:55] <mdke> what does he want to do? [10:55] <mpt> but ubuntu-doc caused a bug in the import process [10:55] <mpt> otherwise it would have happened a couple of weeks ago [10:55] <mdke> ok [10:56] <mgalvin> viewsvn allows you to view an svn repository via a web interface [10:56] <mdke> right [10:56] <mgalvin> http://viewsvn.berlios.de/ [10:56] <mpt> and he was trying to understand the bug [10:56] <mdke> you can view it at its address [10:56] <mdke> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/ [10:56] <mdke> does that help? [10:56] <mdke> open in a browser [10:57] <mdke> but elmo is the best person to help you understand the bug I think [10:57] <mpt> yes, thanks

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:39.058400

2005-08-21-#ubuntu

[01:49] (htx-l33ch/#ubuntu) can anyone please help me get vmtools installed it keeps saying a privous installation was detected FAILURE. And yet it says on vmware task bar no vmtools are installed [01:49] (fatcap/#ubuntu) i have source [01:50] <BollocksMacenzie> Does anyone know t [01:51] <BollocksMacenzie> Does anyone know how the Network monitor applet is activated? Is it in a bash script somewhere? [01:51] <osfameron> hi [01:51] <osfameron> anyone know how to downgrade wine? [01:51] <osfameron> 20050725 doesn't work [01:51] <osfameron> but doing force version unmarks the package (in synaptic) [01:51] <Karhuton> fglrx-driver depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21); however: \n Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu14. [01:51] <osfameron> and marking it again has it set to download 20050725 again [01:51] <osfameron> software-- :-( [01:52] <Phuzion> Gotta love Kubuntu [01:53] <cyber-x> anyone recieved free CDs in iran? [01:54] <ksmurf> hello all [01:55] <Phuzion> Hello [01:56] <funkyHat> osfameron, get the .deb or another package from somewhere else? [01:56] <ksmurf> I'm trying to get a program. (iPodder) to run from the deaktop (gnome). I have created a link (ln -s /usr/bin/iPodder iPodder) and can get the program running from terminal but not from any laucher. any ideas? [01:56] <funkyHat> is beagle going to be included in breezy? :) [01:56] <topyli> so it seems, and i'm now including it in hoary :) [01:57] <funkyHat> :) [01:57] <topyli> actually it's been in backports for a while [01:57] <topyli> but it's terribly old =) [01:58] <Phuzion> Hey, how are the CD's shipped? [01:58] <echylo> by bike [01:59] <fatcap> lol [01:59] <Phuzion> lol [01:59] <fatcap> echylo is just kidding [01:59] <echylo> yea [01:59] <fatcap> its really sent by keebler elf [01:59] <echylo> yup [01:59] <Phuzion> lol [01:59] <echylo> fatcap, is right [01:59] <echylo> although I don't know keebler elf [01:59] <echylo> I guess he has a plane [01:59] <echylo> or a boat [01:59] <Phuzion> Seriously, is it by USPS, or UPS, or Fed Ex? [01:59] <fatcap> prolly usps [01:59] <fatcap> cause that would take the longest [02:00] <Phuzion> Alright, cool, so there's no worrying about signing for them [02:00] <fatcap> :P [02:00] <fatcap> eh usps makes u sign for stuff [02:00] <BollocksMacenzie> My discs came by bog-standard post! [02:00] <Phuzion> But then I have to tell my dad that there's going to be a big package addressed to me at his door one day. [02:00] <echylo> one day is a big word too [02:00] <BollocksMacenzie> From Schipol in The Netherlands. [02:00] <echylo> lool [02:01] <BollocksMacenzie> Yeh, mine took forever and a day to arrive! [02:01] <thoreauputic> waiting for shipit CDs is a bit like waiting for the next Debian Stable release... [02:01] <Phuzion> This will be cool, just being able to hand out Linux to people that wanna try it. [02:01] <fatcap> yeh post office is quick like tha [02:01] <fatcap> t [02:01] <bimberi> thoreauputic: have you ever received any? [02:01] <decaf> of course they are using the chiepest way. takes two months to middleeast. but it came finally [02:02] <thoreauputic> bimberi: I got the warty ones [02:02] <Phuzion> I downloaded mine. [02:02] <thoreauputic> bimberi: my Hoary CDs I got at Ubuntu Downunder [02:02] <bimberi> thoreauputic: same here - but no hoary - always wondered if i should create a new shipit a/c [02:02] <bimberi> bimberi: i got 1 hoary at linuxconf [02:02] <Phuzion> How much does it cost to get these things pressed? [02:03] <bimberi> *thoreaputic [02:03] <decaf> we find people to try 6 x86, one amd64. still searching 2 amd64 and one ppc [02:03] <thoreauputic> bimberi: I also got a free Ubuntu T-Shirt! *g* [02:03] <Phuzion> I hate you [02:03] <Skhokho> where [02:03] <Phuzion> I want an Ubuntu shirt [02:03] <decaf> bittorrent is always fastest [02:03] <bimberi> bimberi: hah - can't top that :D [02:03] <thoreauputic> Ubuntu Downunder [02:03] <Phuzion> Bastard [02:03] <funkyHat> huh! [02:04] <funkyHat> :( iwant a tshirt [02:04] <decaf> funkyHat: me too. an XXXL (in europe sizes) [02:04] <thoreauputic> ;) [02:04] <funkyHat> heh, medium or small would be better for me :P [02:04] <tomas^_^> sir. how to run php file on my ubuntu ?? [02:05] <tomas^_^> simple i have script write on *.php and how to run it [02:05] <tomas^_^> can help me sir [02:05] <fatcap> how do i use alien to install an rpm from a website? [02:05] <Phuzion> Install PHP, and Apache from their respective site, and it should work [02:05] <Phuzion> www.php.net and www.apache.net respectively [02:05] <funkyHat> fatcap, sudo alien -i packagename [02:06] <fatcap> cool. [02:06] <thoreauputic> fatcap: alien file.rpm ; sudo dpg -i file.deb [02:06] <decaf> sir? that's me. tomas^_^ : may be you should learn "shebang" something like #/usr/bin/php [02:06] <thoreauputic> *dpkg -i [02:06] <tomas^_^> so i must install apache and php5 first ?? [02:07] <Phuzion> If you want it to process it correctly, yes. [02:07] <decaf> tomas^_^: try "apt-get install php". thats the trick [02:07] <Phuzion> I keep forgetting about apt-get [02:07] <Phuzion> That thing is freakin magic in a can. [02:07] <iiiears> lol [02:07] <topyli> apt-forget [02:07] <persia> tomas: sudo aptitude install livapache-mod-php4 or libapache2-mod-php5 [02:07] <Phuzion> apt-give [02:07] <thoreauputic> Phuzion: never forget apt! [02:08] <thoreauputic> very apt, indeed [02:08] <topyli> apt-forget install windows [02:08] <tomas^_^> persia <== without apache ?? [02:08] <iiiears> apt-get is wonderful. - no need to see a website if you already know what you want. [02:08] <thoreauputic> topyli: you forgot --purge ;) [02:08] <decaf> Phuzion: we say "kap getir". this means "grab and fetch" in turkish [02:08] <hunger_> How is networking set up in breezy nowadays? The debian way no longer works for me (interfaces are not configured properly) and network manager doesen't do much either. [02:08] <Phuzion> tomas^_^, are you programming for PHP 4 or PHP 5? [02:08] <persia> tomas:: sudo aptitude install php5-cli [02:09] <tomas^_^> no Phuzion just for my home work [02:09] <iiiears> "kap gatir is the command? [02:09] <jasoncohen> persia, does tomas^_^ have breezy? hoary doesn't have php5 [02:09] <topyli> thoreauputic: yeah. windows has too many "dependencies" too, so might as well use orphan [02:09] <dorris> buntu-laptop [02:09] <decaf> iiiears: of course if you set an alias. unix is flexible [02:09] <persia> Oops! tomas: try php4-cli. [02:09] <dorris> oops, was meant to be /join #ubuntu-laptop [02:09] <Phuzion> Just type this: sudo apt-get install livapache-mod-php4 [02:09] <jasoncohen> tomas^_^, is you are using hoary you'll want to apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 (with apache2) or libapache-mod-php4 (wich apache 1) [02:10] <Phuzion> Just type this: sudo apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 [02:10] <jasoncohen> *if you are [02:10] <iiiears> decaf - funny you should mention that. - i canned spell created a dozen different aliases [02:10] <tomas^_^> i'm use hoary [02:10] <jasoncohen> Phuzion, that's only for apache 1.x. most people use apache 2.x which is in main [02:10] <tomas^_^> it mean install libapache-mod-php4 without install apache php can run ?? [02:10] <Phuzion> My bad [02:11] <jasoncohen> tomas^_^, "apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php4 php4 php4-cli" [02:11] <kks> hiii [02:11] <persia> tomas: libapache-mod-php4 will also install apache. To install php without apache, you need to install php4-cli, which does not depend on apache. [02:12] <fatcap> fatcap@blunted:~/Desktop$ sudo alien -i riptide-0.6lnxtbeta03122800_k2.4.18_6mdk-1mdk.i586.rpm [02:12] <fatcap> fatcap@blunted:~/Desktop$ [02:12] <fatcap> does that mean it worked? [02:12] <thoreauputic> fatcap: yup [02:12] <thoreauputic> silence is golden [02:12] <fatcap> should i have sound now? [02:12] <thoreauputic> no idea... [02:13] <thoreauputic> fatcap: why? [02:13] <fatcap> i'll let ya know [02:13] <funkyHat> fatcap, why are you rebooting? [02:13] <netmonk> does anyone know why when i start my computer it waits for about a minute on the line "audit (38413871 different figures)" and then loads hoary? [02:13] <fatcap> cause [02:13] <thoreauputic> why are you rebooting? [02:13] <Sputn1k> Ive typed sudo dpkg -i --force-all libperl5.8_5.8.7-4_i386.deb, after that i get this error when trying to make any command: [02:13] <jasoncohen> tomas^_^, if you just want php and not apache suppoprt "sudo apt-get install php4-cli" [02:13] <Sputn1k> /bin/sh: relocation error: /lib/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_starting_up, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference [02:13] <topyli> lol. rebooting not allowed [02:14] <bimberi> ubotu tshirt is http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop/ (which is linked from ubuntu.com) [02:14] <ubotu> okay, bimberi [02:14] <thoreauputic> Sputn1k: --force-all is rarely a good plan... [02:15] <matte> what is this? anyone here? [02:15] <thoreauputic> no, no -one here at all [02:15] <Phuzion> This is the Ubuntu Help Channel, and yes,,, there are people here, 454 of them [02:15] <Sputn1k> thoreauputic: so how can fix that :// [02:15] <tomas^_^> and how to run it sir [02:15] <tomas^_^> open my browser and that [02:16] <matte> wow... just found this chat.. :P have had ubuntu for 2 weeks [02:16] <funkyHat> hi matte [02:16] <osfameron> funkyHat, yarr, that sounds like the workaround. Just a bit of a bugger, 'coz I was hoping synaptic would Just Work [02:16] <matte> hi funky [02:16] <neverthelessii> Hello, I have a problem. I have put the dvd I got in mail into the thing that comes out of the pc. But nothing happens!! How do I get the window with ubuntu in it? Why doesnt painter work? [02:16] <thoreauputic> Sputn1k: looks like libc is unhappy - I have no idea how you recover from that [02:16] <LinuxJones> matte, welcome aboard :) [02:16] <Sputn1k> hmz [02:16] <matte> tnx alot! [02:16] <funkyHat> osfameron, what? i forgot what we were talking about [02:16] <persia> tomas^_^: If you want to run it in a browser, you need apache. If you are just looking to use php scripts without a browser, `man php4`. [02:17] <osfameron> funkyHat, yeah, back in scrollback. Rolling back to an older version of wine :-) [02:17] <matte> so if i have any trouble i can ask here? [02:17] <LinuxJones> neverthelessii, you mean the live cd ? [02:17] <funkyHat> oh, yeah, wine [02:17] <equex> neverthelessii: lol nice try [02:17] <thoreauputic> matte: sure, or just lurk and learn [02:17] <Phuzion> matte, absolutely. [02:17] <matte> nice. :) [02:17] <topyli> this simply cannot work [02:18] <LinuxJones> topyli, you poor soul you don't know what your in for :) [02:18] <neverthelessii> LinuxJones, Are there more? I just baught this cd or dvd or what it is. But it wont come up. Nothing happens when I put it in.. [02:18] <topyli> hehe [02:18] <thoreauputic> topyli: Any lemmings in your family ? [02:18] <LinuxJones> neverthelessii, you have to re-boot your computer to load the LiveCD. [02:18] <Phuzion> So, yeah, I just ordered 10 CD's [02:18] <topyli> LinuxJones: i just saw the magic words "feature freeze" somewhere [02:19] <matte> i got 10 cd's the other week.. thats why im here.. :D [02:19] <topyli> thoreauputic: fortunately not, so everybody is not going to be doing the same [02:19] <LinuxJones> topyli, yeah but all of the features are broken :D [02:19] <thoreauputic> topyli: hahah - well said :) [02:19] <Phuzion> matte, how long did it take for them to arrive from the time you ordered? [02:19] <topyli> heh [02:19] <matte> like 1 month [02:19] <Phuzion> Ouch [02:19] <neverthelessii> LinuxJones, you mean to push that button that lights green? What about that button that says "reset"? does that delete my pc? [02:19] <Phuzion> Where do you live? [02:20] <funkyHat> you got it working osfameron? [02:20] <matte> Phuzion: Sweden [02:20] <LinuxJones> neverthelessii, how long have you had your computer ? [02:20] <Phuzion> Oh [02:20] <topyli> LinuxJones: never mind, this is not the box my livelihood is based on :) [02:20] <equex> you are being trolled , jeez [02:20] <Phuzion> Where do they ship from? [02:20] <equex> haha [02:20] <matte> i dunno [02:20] <Phuzion> Anyone know where the CD's ship from? [02:20] <neverthelessii> LinuxJones, my boyfriend bought it for me for christmas. It is really big, he says its got a pennum inside of it.. [02:20] <LinuxJones> topyli, punishment can be fun and rewarding :) [02:21] <funkyHat> Phuzion, i have a feeling it's somewhere in northern europe [02:21] <LinuxJones> neverthelessii, ok your running windows right now correct ? [02:21] <funkyHat> norway perhaps [02:21] <Phuzion> Shit, I'm the US. [02:21] <matte> I have tried SuSe and Linspire... But Ubunto is by far the best Linux so far that i have tried [02:21] <neverthelessii> LinuxJones, yes, there are several windows on my screen [02:21] <tche> Hello, I have two problems, my touch pad doesn't work very well (clicks and jump a lot) and my keyboard layout doesn't let me put c cedil [02:21] <topyli> LinuxJones: i'll install ubuntu-desktop after this and then see if the box will boot [02:22] <LinuxJones> neverthelessii, do you know how to shut down windows ? [02:22] <LinuxJones> topyli, I bet it doesn't work :) [02:22] <hubsi> how do i get my mac address? [02:22] <linukso> hubsi: ifconfig [02:22] <LinuxJones> hubsi, ifconfig -a [02:22] <spo0nman> ifconfig [02:22] <osfameron> funkyHat, nah, no time to scan for old deb's right now - I'll try this evening if I get a chance, ta! [02:22] <hubsi> thx [02:22] <neverthelessii> LinuxJones, I dont know. Do I need to shut down all of them? [02:22] <topyli> LinuxJones: i wonder how the thing is developed then :) [02:23] <Phuzion> neverthelessi, you need to turn off your computer, and turn it back on with the DVD in your drive [02:23] <funkyHat> osfameron, ok, you should be able to grab the one you want from sourceforge though :) [02:23] <PacMan> bob2 do you use xchat [02:23] <osfameron> funkyHat, ah, yes, sourceforge, where the project is hosted, that might work :-) [02:23] <funkyHat> :) :P [02:23] <Phuzion> PacMan, he's idle. [02:23] <thoreauputic> PacMan: I would say he uses irssi, judging from what he seemed to be using at UDU :) [02:24] <PacMan> PacMan can someone help me [02:24] <PacMan> PacMan is it possible to have the @ and + on xchat [02:24] <PacMan> PacMan instead of the circles [02:24] <bimberi> thoreauputic: oh stop showing off :) [02:24] <Phuzion> I'm out for now. [02:24] <LinuxJones> neverthelessii, basically you have to re-boot your computer. Which means it will shut down and restart (all of your applications will close) . If the Ubuntu LiveCD is in the cd drive hopefully it will boot into Ubuntu then you can run xchat and join this channel again [02:24] <thoreauputic> bimberi: hehehehe [02:24] <neverthelessii> Phuzion, I tried to push the green button, but it just went dead. And when I click on it again, there is a black screen with some letters on it.. How do I fix it?? [02:24] <PacMan> thoreauputic [02:24] <PacMan> is that possible? [02:25] <Phuzion> neverthelessi, I'm leaving now, sorry [02:25] <thoreauputic> PacMan: yes I think so - somewhere in the prefs I expect [02:25] <PacMan> thoreauputic wheres the prefs? [02:25] <PacMan> ah k [02:25] <thoreauputic> PacMan: Settings? [02:25] <thoreauputic> Haven't looked... [02:25] <PacMan> k [02:26] <LinuxJones> topyli, /topic [02:26] <LinuxJones> bah sorry [02:26] <thoreauputic> bimberi: where are you in Oz ? [02:27] <bimberi> thoreauputic: Tridge-ville (does that answer that?) [02:27] <PacMan> theoreauputic can't find it. can ya take a look. [02:27] <topyli> LinuxJones: as i said, i can afford breaking this system :) [02:28] <LinuxJones> topyli, I bet there are alot of nice new features in there :) [02:28] <thoreauputic> bimberi: Sambaville ... in the paddocks of Burley Griffin? [02:28] <LinuxJones> topyli, gnome-services-manager is one that I am waiting for :D [02:28] <bimberi> thoreauputic: You got it. You? [02:28] <topyli> LinuxJones: i just want to peek in the neew gnome [02:28] <LinuxJones> topyli, 2.12 will rock !! [02:28] <thoreauputic> bimberi: Wollongong for now... [02:29] <topyli> LinuxJones: so i hear [02:29] <PacMan> thoreauputic did u look? [02:29] <thoreauputic> PacMan: erm... no not yet [02:29] <bimberi> thoreauputic: ah - k [02:30] <topyli> uh-oh, there goes latex [02:33] <orn72> Does ubuntu support mp3 generation and dvd playback "out of the box"? [02:33] <topyli> no [02:34] <orn72> topyli: need an extra source.list entry? [02:34] <persia> !mp3 [02:34] <ubotu> from memory, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support [02:34] <topyli> yep [02:34] <orn72> ubotu: thx [02:34] <ubotu> orn72: Do they come in packets of five? [02:34] <thoreauputic> PacMan: can't see the option - why do you want it? The user list shows ops anyway... [02:35] <orn72> ubotu: five? [02:35] <ubotu> orn72: Do they come in packets of five? [02:35] <topyli> orn72: it's a bot :) [02:35] <persia> orn72: You're talking to a 'bot. [02:35] <funkyHat> oww, you spoiled it topyli :P [02:35] <topyli> !lart topyli [02:36] <orn72> persia: Aha :-) [02:36] <iiiears> ubotu you are a genious. [02:36] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, iiiears [02:36] <alie> hi i have about 20 pcs on the network and i need to install ubuntu problem is that i cannot let all install from internet once the cd installation part is over what is the solution to that thanks for the help [02:36] <thoreauputic> !ubotu [02:36] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/ [02:37] <funkyHat> ubotu isn't a genius, he smokes way too much crack XD [02:37] <ubotu> No idea, funkyHat [02:38] <Nikopol> who designed ubotu? [02:38] <topyli> NASA :) [02:38] <Nikopol> ;) [02:39] <thoreauputic> !info blootbot [02:39] <ubotu> blootbot: (a severely modified infobot for IRC), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 1.1.0-5.1 (hoary), Packaged size: 235 kB, Installed size: 936 kB [02:39] <sfacius> hi at all [02:39] <topyli> bots are available all around. then the channel has to teach them [02:39] <sfacius> how can i upgrade the Gnome from 2.10.0 to 2.10.2 ?? [02:40] <booger> booger [02:40] <thoreauputic> sfacius: what on earth for? [02:40] <osfameron> Naughty Network Monitor applet! I'm on eth0 now, in fact eth1 is down, so why do you think it's still worth displaying eth1 ? [02:40] <osfameron> (and vice versa) [02:40] <topyli> looks like breezy is not going to need a lot of extra repositories. multiverse seems to have all sorts of questionable stuff already [02:40] <osfameron> some way to go before mobile networking is worky on ubuntu [02:40] <persia> alie: There was a discussion about local repositories at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7455, but it doesn't seem to be a complete how-to. [02:40] <sfacius> ?? [02:41] <tche> My keymap doesn't have c cedil... what can I do? [02:41] <thoreauputic> sfacius: 2.12 will be out in about a month [02:41] <thoreauputic> maybe a bit more... [02:41] <alie> ok [02:42] <sfacius> k but where i can to find URL of repository? [02:42] <topyli> alie: the apt-howto has a section "how to use apt locally" [02:42] <thoreauputic> sfacius: hoary was frozen months ago - wait for breezy [02:43] <alie> ok i will try to find [02:43] <sfacius> k thx [02:43] <alie> thanks [02:43] <alie> bye [02:44] <booger> avi to vcd help? [02:45] <themot> hi! i am trying to install a groupware app called kolab, when i get ready to isntall i get the message libgcrypt installation is /usr detected, please deinstall it or move it ...many apps depend on libgcrypt so un-installing seems silly ...anyone know what this message means or how to "move" libgcrypt out of /usr? [02:45] <booger> any help? [02:47] <themot> nevermind, i am just going back to windows [02:47] <themot> hah! gotcha! just kidding! [02:48] <themot> !botsnack [02:48] <ubotu> thanks themot :) [02:48] <booger> hey i feel the same way sometimes [02:49] <themot> yeah, I could uninstall it, but synaptic wants to uninstall about 50 other things along with it [02:49] <themot> this might work: format space see drive [02:50] <themot> !libgcrypt [02:50] <ubotu> themot: I don't know, could you explain it? [02:50] <themot> !kolab [02:50] <ubotu> themot: I haven't a clue [02:50] <thoreauputic> !info libcrypt [02:51] <thoreauputic> no such package... hmm apt-cache search libcrypt maybe? [02:51] <ernie> question, how do i erase a cd-rw? [02:52] <biochemza> can anyone recommend an opensource utility to burn VCDs from avi and mpeg files (preferably gui-based, but ultimately not fussy). or a tutorial about doing that, if not the actual software [02:52] <thoreauputic> ah lib*g*crypt... doh [02:55] <themot> themot whoops out a large hammer and speaks nasty to the computer [02:59] <c0drm0nk33> If i've made a mess of my sudoers file, whats the best/easiest way to fix. [03:00] <funkyHat> c0drm0nk33, can you edit it? [03:00] <bimberi> c0drm0nk33: boot into recovery mode to fix it using visudo [03:01] <c0drm0nk33> No, no su access. I will try bimberi suggestion. Thanks. I will let you know how i go. [03:03] <micampe> c0drm0nk33, what about keeping backups when you edit files you don't know? :) [03:03] <iiiears> !logo [03:03] <ubotu> iiiears: Are you smoking crack? [03:03] <iiiears> !shop [03:03] <ubotu> iiiears: I haven't a clue [03:03] <bimberi> !tshirt [03:03] <iiiears> !tshirt [03:03] <ubotu> well, tshirt is http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop/ (which is linked from ubuntu.com) [03:03] <funkyHat> micampe, that wouldn't help with his case anyway would it ;) [03:03] <micampe> funkyHat, he could copy it over in recovery mode [03:04] <bimberi> ubotu shop is http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop/ (which is linked from ubuntu.com) [03:04] <ubotu> okay, bimberi [03:04] <funkyHat> that's true [03:04] <iiiears> !awards [03:04] <ubotu> I guess awards is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubunturocks [03:04] <funkyHat> is a password or anything needed to access recovery mode? [03:05] <jmet> http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=941176 [03:05] <bimberi> funkyHat: no [03:05] <iiiears> ubuntu is also see !awards [03:05] <funkyHat> eek [03:05] <iiiears> ubotu ubuntu is also see !awards [03:05] <ubotu> okay, iiiears [03:07] <themot> biochemza: there are packages called vcdtools and vcdimager ..one of those may work [03:08] <iiiears> wb thoreauputic. :) [03:09] <thoreauputic> :) [03:09] <mwh_> Hi, does the ubuntu installer support ntfs-resizing? [03:10] <martin> Hallo [03:11] <orn72> mwh_: don't think so [03:12] <Haloman> Hallo [03:12] <Haloman> sind deutsche anwesend ? [03:13] <micampe> Haloman, join #ubuntu-de [03:15] <c0drm0nk33> Thanks bimberi. It's fixed. [03:15] <bimberi> c0drm0nk33: great! :) [03:16] <thoreauputic> mwh_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forum/installation/Partitioning [03:18] <aleksi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forum/installation/Partitioning [03:18] <aleksi> sorry [03:18] <thoreauputic> heh [03:20] <ifr> hi, if I want to allow a user to screen in and give him a non admin account, how can I make it so that they cannot cd into other user directories and look at files? [03:20] <kemik> ifr: "man chmod" [03:20] <enzi> how do i reset the default panel in gnome? i deleted it (doh) [03:20] <kemik> ifr: make sure he's in another group and dont give out rx access to that group [03:21] <ifr> kemik, thanks, I can chmod groups as well as dirs? [03:21] <mwh_> thomerz: thanks [03:21] <ifr> I've got him in his own group, kemik, [03:21] <ifr> but you're saying to chmod his group or the other groups on the box? [03:22] <kemik> ifr: you chmod directories "man chmod" [03:22] <ifr> Right, but I don''t want to change every directory permission on the box to let one user in.... [03:22] <ifr> or is that a given? [03:23] <mwh_> thoreauputic: thanks [03:23] <kemik> well... i dont see much else todo.. but perhaps someone else knows better [03:23] <thoreauputic> mwest: you're welcome :) [03:23] <thoreauputic> hah [03:23] <enzi> how do i reset the default panel (the upper one) in gnome? i deleted it (doh) [03:23] <thoreauputic> mwh_: you're welcome [03:23] <ifr> Is there a way to create a group which only has permission to view directories belonging specifically to that group, not others? [03:24] <mwh_> thoreauputic: it seems though that I cant enter any new size for the partition .. the installer says something like: before the changes can be done the changes has to be written to disk, you can not cancel this action, note that resizing the disk can take long time .. write the changes to disk and change the partitions size: yes , no [03:24] <micampe> ifr, you use chmod to prevent that user from seeing the dirs, not the other way around (i.e. letting him in) [03:24] <bimberi> enzi: do you still have the bottom panel? [03:24] <ifr> Bummer. Thanks kemik and micampe [03:24] <enzi> yea [03:25] <enzi> i think it has to have one of them at all times, its not allowed to have none [03:25] <thoreauputic> mwh_: I haven't used this tool, sorry - I have only linux boxen here [03:25] <bimberi> enzi: right-click on a blank area -> New Panel [03:25] <enzi> yea [03:25] <enzi> but now there is a blank panel [03:26] <mwh_> thoreauputic: its okay, ill try with a mandrake cd and see what happens [03:26] <bimberi> enzi: you'll have to add the applets back in [03:26] <enzi> aww man [03:26] <enzi> i don't remember what was in there :/ [03:26] <thoreauputic> mwh_: the mandrake CD has a very easy resize tool if I recall corectly [03:26] <bimberi> enzi: best i can do for you sorry [03:26] <enzi> alright, thanks bimberi [03:27] <thoreauputic> enzi: a right click will get you a list [03:27] <bimberi> enzi: Main Menu, Clock and Notification Area at least [03:27] <fatcap> yo [03:27] <themot> mwh_: it might be easier to use a bootable cd like knoppix or a windows tool to resize and then install ubuntu [03:28] <fatcap> how do i run that unzipper archive thing with sudo ? [03:28] <enzi> ok [03:28] <thoreauputic> fatcap: which one? [03:28] <fatcap> the one that pops up when i click on a .zip or whatever [03:28] <Srekel> hi again [03:28] <thoreauputic> fatcap: and why do you need root privileges? [03:29] <Srekel> it seems ubuntu has lost touch with the net, what can I do about that? [03:29] <Srekel> this computer is on the same connection, so it does work [03:29] <fatcap> so i can fix my damn sound [03:30] <Srekel> is there a command I need to run? t [03:30] <thoreauputic> fatcap: yes, but unzipping an archive doesn't require sudo normally... [03:30] <LinuxJones> Srekel, you can run sudo network-config and make sure your network settings for the card are correct then activate the card [03:30] <fatcap> if im in my home directory yes that is true [03:30] <fatcap> but im not. [03:30] <LinuxJones> Srekel, sorry make that network-admin [03:30] <bimberi> enzi: oops - "Menu Bar" is better than "Main Menu" [03:30] <Bags> OK, so I got the system to boot off the network, install the Ubuntu software onto the SCSI disk on the Adaptec controller, but now it seems that it can't see the SCSI hard disk. Any ideas? [03:31] <Bags> I've got a G4 Power Mac [03:31] <thoreauputic> fatcap: erm - unzip it in /tmp and then move the result [03:31] <Bags> 500MHz 768MB RAM [03:31] <Bags> On reboot, I get the folder wiht a question mark. [03:31] <fatcap> why can't i just run the archiver with sudo? [03:31] <enzi> bimberi: yea i noticed, thanks [03:31] <Srekel> LinuxJones, ok I'll try that [03:31] <enzi> that's what i was looking for [03:32] <enzi> well i have menu bar, notification area, and clock.. that should do it [03:32] <thoreauputic> fatcap: well, you can I guess - sudo file-roller ? [03:32] <fatcap> cool [03:32] <fatcap> just wasnt sure it was called file-roller :P [03:32] <Bags> If I type dev / ls from the single user console, I can see the adapter /ADPT,2940UW@2 , but no drive [03:33] <Bags> could it be that the firmware in the Adaptec is not set up to boot from the drive? [03:33] <thoreauputic> fatcap: it's worth learning to do this in CLI - it's much quicker [03:33] <fatcap> cli? [03:33] <thoreauputic> fatcap: command line interface (terminal) [03:33] <fatcap> heh [03:34] <fatcap> i would its just the size of the file im unzipping is huge [03:34] <enzi> Where do I find all the games available for linux? (as in UT, AA, etc.) [03:34] <thoreauputic> fatcap: commands like gunzip, unzip, tar etc [03:34] <fatcap> so it would take more time to move and stuff [03:34] <thoreauputic> fatcap: thae size is not an issue [03:35] <thoreauputic> fatcap: file-roller is just a front end for those commands anyway [03:36] <thoreauputic> and the mv command doesn't physically move anything - just renames it basically [03:36] <Juhaz> sure it does, if you move something to another partition [03:37] <Juhaz> or, obviously, another hard disk [03:37] <setite> for the record.. dvd playback no longer sucks... somethign is screwy abotu libdvdcss2 on the marillat... [03:37] <thoreauputic> Juhaz: OK - but in general mv is just a relink to a different inode or whatever [03:38] <BollocksMacenzie> setite: Have you turned on DMA access? [03:38] <BollocksMacenzie> setite: Without it tends to skip! [03:40] <quiet> just an FYI guys... the website is broken in IE... in that the menu on the right appears at the bottom of all the text... looks like a style-sheet error... [03:41] <Seveas> quiet, does it happen on ubuntu-nl.org too? [03:41] <quiet> lemme check.. [03:41] <Virtuall> IE... don't use IE... [03:41] <quiet> nope [03:41] <quiet> i generally don't... [03:41] <thoreauputic> more likely an IE error :/ [03:42] <Seveas> quiet, if possible, make a screenshot of ubuntu.com and post it on the pastebin [03:42] <quiet> sure... brb [03:42] <gomer> hey [03:43] <Smile> hi [03:43] <Smile> is there a good video player for ubuntu linux? [03:44] <thenuke> Smile: mplayer [03:44] <Xappe> totem [03:44] <gomer> The sound card on my IBM thinkpad stopped working. Can anyone assist? [03:44] <Bags> Anyone know anything about Adaptec SCSI controller cards and booting off them with Ubuntu? [03:45] <quiet> Seveas, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/i1302 [03:45] <vagamente> hi alla need some help.. [03:45] <gomer> can anyone speak to gomer? [03:46] <quiet> gomer... can you get alsamixer?? [03:46] <gomer> let me try..Which menu is it in? [03:46] <giggsey> Whats the command to install http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-backports/main/binary-i386/gtk2-engines-clearlooks_0.6.2-1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb [03:46] <quiet> not a menu.. open a terminal and type "alsamixer" [03:46] <giggsey> I can't remember it [03:47] <gomer> it's running .. [03:47] <quiet> download it.. and dpkg -i [03:47] <giggsey> thanks [03:47] <vagamente> while i'm trying to install scribus 1.3, after "sudo /.config" i get this message: [03:47] <vagamente> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation! [03:47] <vagamente> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. [03:47] <vagamente> Make sure that you have compiled Qt with thread support! [03:47] <vagamente> what am i supposed to do? [03:47] <quiet> gomer, is there an infinity symbol on 'master' and 'pcm' or an 'MM' symbol? [03:48] <gomer> it has a 0 abocfe the master label [03:48] <gomer> avoce .. [03:48] <gomer> above [03:48] <gomer> I check back later... [03:49] <quiet> use the up arrow to increase Master to about 70 and PCM to about 80 then try to play audio.. [03:49] <Xappe> vagamente: have you installed the qt libraries then? [03:49] <Seveas> quiet, I talked to the website people - they know about it and it's on their worklist [03:49] <quiet> okay cool... :) [03:49] <giggsey> urg [03:49] <giggsey> No package 'gtk+-2.0' found [03:50] <giggsey> and thats a <censored> to install itself [03:50] <quiet> anyone got a link to the Add-Ons CD? [03:50] <giggsey> Is there a easy way to install gphpedit? [03:51] <apokryphos> !info gphpedit [03:51] <vagamente> Xappe: yes... i've got libqt3c102-mt; libqt3-headers; libqt3-mt-dev; libqte-mt3; libqthreads-12 [03:51] <apokryphos> hm [03:51] <giggsey> !info gphpedit [03:52] <giggsey> meh [03:52] <giggsey> Someone already said that 9 seconds ago [03:52] <apokryphos> Seveas: jake1 is here again and he responds to the bot char [03:52] <giggsey> ^_^ [03:52] <Xappe> vagamente: maybe you need to somehow point the config to the right location then [03:53] <Seveas> apokryphos..? [03:53] <apokryphos> giggsey: it's in Universe for Breezy only now, it seems... [03:53] <alex____1> I want to installed a simple application xawtv but it does not show in the pacakge list, what should I do ? [03:53] <apokryphos> Seveas: type !info foo [03:53] <Seveas> !info foo [03:54] <alex____1> anyone ? [03:54] <alex____1> this is boring [03:54] <alex____1> I hav ebeen trying to make this app myself, every thing goes well but the cmnd does not install [03:54] <thoreauputic> !info xawtv [03:54] <ubotu> xawtv: (X11 TV application), section universe/x11, is extra. Version: 3.94-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 217 kB, Installed size: 700 kB [03:54] <ekimus> has _anyone_ _ever_ successfully remastered a ppc boot cd? [03:55] <thoreauputic> alex____1: it's in universe, as you see ^^^ [03:55] <apokryphos> giggsey: what is it, anyhow? Just an app with php editing? There's others out there... [03:55] <alex____1> thoreauputic, what is universe ? [03:55] <giggsey> meh [03:55] <thoreauputic> !repos [03:55] <giggsey> I found the .deb for it [03:55] <ubotu> I heard repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [03:56] <thoreauputic> alex____1: read ubotu's URLs above [03:56] <apokryphos> giggsey: I'll wager good money that Quanta is much better than it ;-). [03:56] <apokryphos> giggsey: so what's the problem? [03:56] <alex____1> were there any ? [03:57] <ionnek> hello... I've got a problem: at login, ubuntu tells me: gdm could not write to your authorization file. [03:57] <thoreauputic> alex____1: erm --- [03:57] <alex____1> thoreauputic: excuse to be a pain , erm ?? [03:57] <thoreauputic> alex____1: there are two links the bot spat out above [03:57] <thoreauputic> alex____1: read those links [03:58] <thoreauputic> alex____1: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto is the first [03:58] <alex____1> ok [03:59] <giggsey> apokryphos, I just want to install a php editor [04:00] <Smile> is there a good video player for ubuntu linux? [04:00] <apokryphos> giggsey: you said you had the deb for it? Anyhow, Quanta *is* a php editor [04:00] <Smile> !help video [04:00] <giggsey> ok [04:00] <Smile> !vide [04:00] <ubotu> Smile: Syntax error in line 1 [04:00] <thoreauputic> Smile: several - vlc, totem-xine, mplayer [04:00] <micampe> Smile, we only have good video players :) [04:00] <Smile> !video [04:00] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Smile [04:01] <Smile> !irc scripts [04:01] <ubotu> Smile: I don't know, could you explain it? [04:01] <thoreauputic> Smile: you were just given the names of 3 [04:01] <Smile> is there another irc client [04:01] <Smile> except xchat [04:01] <Xappe> irssi [04:01] <thoreauputic> Smile of course [04:01] <giggsey> I'm on Gnome [04:01] <giggsey> from the look of it, Quanta is for KDE [04:02] <thoreauputic> giggsey: quanta will run fine in gnome [04:02] <giggsey> k [04:02] <alex____1> ok I understand a bit more now why I could not installed my software, [04:03] <giggsey> brb [04:03] <thoreauputic> alex____1: almost anything is in the repositories... [04:03] <alex____1> the initial purpose of installing xawtv was to test my webcam, I don't really need it for anything else, but so far the driver for my webcam (ov511) is installed by default on ubuntu but I have no way to try my webcam [04:04] <alex____1> ah ok [04:04] <fatcap> i dont even have sound screw even messing with my webcam yet :\ [04:05] <alex____1> but what are the Universe and Multiverse repositories [04:05] <icewt> how can i change the look of the menus, buttons etc. of gtk1 apps? [04:05] <thoreauputic> alex____1: for a full complement of packages, enable multiverse and universe, reload - then use synaptic [04:05] <thoreauputic> alex____1: did you read the link? [04:05] <alex____1> it starts by saying talking about them [04:06] <thoreauputic> alex____1: the repositories are the URLs where the packages of software are stored, if you like [04:06] <thoreauputic> alex____1: synaptic allows you to automatically install from them [04:07] <alex____1> I see [04:07] <alex____1> ok [04:07] <alex____1> thanks for your time [04:07] <thoreauputic> alex____1: you just update the list of available packages by reloading, then choose what you want and select it for installation [04:08] <thoreauputic> alex____1: it's that simple [04:08] <iiiears> alex____1 - Synaptic does leave you with one big problem though... - what of the 16,000 free apps do you choose. - grin [04:08] <thoreauputic> iiiears: that's where the search function is handy :) [04:08] <micampe> aptitude is much nicer [04:09] <kemik> apt-get is much better [04:09] <kemik> :) [04:09] <micampe> no [04:09] <icewt> but apt-get is the best ;) [04:09] <Chousuke> nah. [04:09] <kemik> CLI for the win [04:09] <Chousuke> aptitude is better than apt-get [04:09] <Chousuke> aptitude is cli :P [04:09] <micampe> aptitude is better than apt-get because installs suggested pkgs by default [04:09] <thoreauputic> micampe: for people who are new, the GUI is easier than apt or aptitude [04:09] <apokryphos> micampe: that's a preference, not necessarily a better thing per se [04:09] <iiiears> synaptic or aptitude is smarter. - not likely to dodge something up like you can with apt-get [04:09] <micampe> thoreauputic, yes, I was talking about me :) [04:10] <thoreauputic> micampe: :) [04:10] <will> aptitude [04:10] <micampe> the poblem with aptitude is libstd-c++ [04:10] <vio_> what server do i have to add to my repositories, in order to get up2date software? [04:10] <Chousuke> up2date? :P [04:10] <Chousuke> English, please. [04:10] <vio_> yeah not that 6 month old versions [04:11] <micampe> vio_, up2date is a fedora/red hat program, not ubuntu [04:11] <QMario> !Java [04:11] <ubotu> well, java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [04:11] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell vio_ about repositories [04:11] <ubuntu> hola} [04:11] <iiiears> vio_ - ubuntu has an update manager installed..- did i miss somthing again. [04:11] <will> apt-get = perfect for scripts /newbie help synaptic=Great UI! [04:11] <vio_> ... [04:11] <GNULinuxer> idlemind1: welcome [04:11] <vio_> i mean new software [04:11] <ubiquitin> is anyone else experiencing problems with the GCJ-compiled Java stuff in Breezy? [04:11] <QMario> Ubuntu, is there a Java channel on IRC? [04:11] <vio_> not that old versions i can download with synaptic [04:11] <idlemind1> thanks GNULinuxer [04:11] <Chousuke> vio_: Why do you need newer software? [04:12] <will> is breezy much different 'looking' from hoary= [04:12] <apokryphos> QMario: yes, but I think you have to be registered on their sun site to get in (free registration) [04:12] <thoreauputic> vio_: ubuntu freezes every 6 months [04:12] <vagamente> hi all... is there any SCRIBUS user here? [04:12] <vio_> thats another question, isn't it Chousuke [04:12] <vio_> :) [04:12] <Chousuke> vio_: the old versions are stabler [04:12] <apokryphos> QMario: or you can go straight to ##java [04:12] <vio_> it's not about why, but how [04:12] <QMario> Apokryphos, thank you! :) [04:12] <Chousuke> vio_: Well, you could upgrade to breezy. [04:12] <Chousuke> vio_: but that's not really recommended. [04:13] <Jalada> I have a question, laptop-mode spins down the hd. Is there a way of monitoring when it does this. Only I'm trying to figure out if it's working. Also, doesn't spinning up/down the hd a lot wear it out? [04:13] <iiiears> vio_ grab a jumbo bottle of aspirin and ask the bot !upgrade [04:13] <vio_> na i just thought.. if there is a repository where i can get "untable" versions [04:13] <iiiears> !upgrade [04:13] <ubotu> methinks upgrade is "One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" [04:13] <setite> hey friends [04:13] <yong> get anyone tell mi the command to register a nick for irc? [04:13] <micampe> vio_, ubuntu-backports, but that's not really recommended either [04:14] <iiiears> change warty to hoary and hoary to breezy [04:14] <alex____1> thoreauputic: ok thanks, but this did not make my webcam to work [04:14] <alex____1> :( [04:14] <apokryphos> micampe: ubuntu backports is recommended; it's an official repo now [04:14] <vio_> at the moment i compile everything by hand [04:14] <apokryphos> vio_: unstable versions of what? [04:14] <micampe> apokryphos, official==recommended? [04:14] <apokryphos> vio_: breezy is the unstable [04:14] <apokryphos> micampe: correct [04:14] <vio_> just had to resolve 1001 conflicts to get the newst amarok compile :) [04:14] <thoreauputic> vio_: sounds like you would be happier with gentoo [04:14] <iiiears> apokryphos - is the jre.deb in backports? [04:15] <apokryphos> iiiears: no, that's in hoary-extras [04:15] <QMario> Thoreauputic, where have you been the last few days? [04:15] <Bags> Anyone know anything about Adaptec SCSI controller cards and booting off them with Ubuntu? [04:15] <yong> can anyone tell mi the command to register a nick for irc? [04:15] <iiiears> Ah - many thanks. :) [04:15] <micampe> apokryphos, and is backports the same it was before? it breaked a lot... [04:15] <thoreauputic> QMario: I might ask you the same :) [04:15] <GNULinuxer> !apt [04:15] <ubotu> hmm... apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ [04:15] <Smile> thoreauputic do you know what the neostats config file is called? [04:15] <apokryphos> micampe: no, it became official after a while. /msg ubotu backports [04:15] <vio_> don't think thoreauputic [04:15] <vio_> i'm quite happy with ubuntu :) [04:16] <Smile> !wlan [04:16] <ubotu> Smile: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! [04:16] <thoreauputic> Smile: no idea [04:16] <Smile> ok [04:16] <Smile> !wireless [04:16] <ubotu> methinks wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards [04:16] <fatcap> whats a good burner for iso's? [04:16] <apokryphos> fatcap: K3b [04:16] <iiiears> !wifi !ndis !ndiswrapper [04:16] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, iiiears [04:16] <ionnek> my ubunto box is stuck! [04:16] <ubiquitin> Breezy is surprisingly bearable already. I'm really quite impressed :) [04:16] <apokryphos> iiiears: it's best to experiment with ubotu in /msg [04:17] <iiiears> just passing on a some other relevant links [04:17] <apokryphos> ubiquitin: bearable, but unstable. X breaks every few days, and a few vital packs are broken [04:17] <jadedstar> msg ubotu !wifi [04:17] <ionnek> it seems to think that I am out of diskspace, so "gdm could not write to your authorization file". [04:17] <booger> can anyone help with some avi to vcd problems [04:18] <apokryphos> jadedstar: forgot the forward slash; and in /msg no ! is required :) [04:18] <jadedstar> apokryphos: yah lol ty [04:18] <ionnek> if anyone has any idea what i could do, I'd be grateful to hear... [04:18] <micampe> apokryphos, sounds good, now I only need to figure out apt priorities to install only packages *I* ask from bp [04:18] <thoreauputic> ionnek: could be that your ~/.Xauthority file has changed owners to root [04:18] <ionnek> thoreauputic [04:19] <ubiquitin> apokryphos: i was well impressed by the fact that it boots up even quicker than hoary, and also gnome 2.11 somehow seems more responsive and quick. might also be due to a better DRI driver in X.org, who knows. also, OpenOffice 1.9 seems A LOT better now than the pre-beta-Hoary build :) [04:19] <thoreauputic> ionnek: does the error mention .Xauthority ? [04:19] <ionnek> my problem is that i don't even know how to talk to the box :-( [04:19] <ionnek> cause it won't let me login. [04:19] <alex____1> kk [04:19] <ionnek> i didn't see .Xauthority [04:19] <apokryphos> ubiquitin: I noticed the change in speed, too; fairly obvious. More clear when compiling, though I can't compile most of the things I want now because of package-issues :( [04:19] <thoreauputic> ionnek: try recovery mode on boot [04:20] <iiiears> ubiquitin - did you have any trouble with fonts disappearing? [04:20] <filip_> i have make an starter on my desktop that make my system rebooting but i need to put my password in the terminal is it someway it could do that automaticly? [04:20] <ubiquitin> iiiears: in OOo? no, haven't noticed that (yet?) [04:21] <iiiears> ubiquitin - if it were OOo i would of cared less, it was the whole darn thing for me everything.. - lol [04:21] <apokryphos> iiiears: still some font issues flying about; conventional mozilla-firefox package doesn't show fonts in ff [04:21] <iiiears> Good Morning Sproingie [04:22] <thoreauputic> ionnek: is /dev/hdc a hard drive? IO errors often mean hardware troubles [04:22] <wizhippo> anyone have ALSA hang your system? The volume applet hangs mine. Also on shutdown [04:22] <apokryphos> iiiears: haven't tried gnome, so there might be issues in there [04:22] <ubiquitin> apokryphos: only things i've found not to work are gcj-compiled java apps. also, the new admin tools are veeery nice, such as the disks-admin [04:22] <ubiquitin> so X keeps breaking? [04:22] <quack> i've been running ubuntu for a few days now,and it seems to be ok [04:22] <ionnek> thoreauputic, i think it is the harddrive. [04:22] <apokryphos> ubiquitin: indeed [04:22] <ubiquitin> i might not want to upgrade anything if the current builds work so well :) [04:22] <apokryphos> ubiquitin: it wills stabilise eventually [04:23] <booger> ffmpeg help ?? [04:23] <booger> anybody ??? [04:23] <iiiears> difficult to believe Breezy Badger will be ready in october. (crosses fingers) [04:23] <cloudr> anybody knows how to install VDR on Ubuntu with a budget satellite card? [04:23] <ionnek> thoreauputic, i wonder if there is a way to get into this recovery mode. Is there a particular line during bootup where i could jump in and get to a different mode? [04:24] <apokryphos> iiiears: it'll be usable quite before that, however. [04:24] <apokryphos> iiiears: dist-upgrades will be recommended in here about a month before at least [04:24] <thoreauputic> ionnek: yes, when grub boots, hit <esc> and choose "recovery" [04:24] <iiiears> cloudr - mythtv? for "personal video recorder"? [04:25] <iiiears> apokryphos, - sounds great very anxious to try it. :) [04:25] <cloudr> iiiears: mythtv or VDR, I have so far failed with both. [04:25] <sproingie> so what is new in breezy so far? [04:26] <giggsey> apokryphos, Please check whether you installed KDE correctly. [04:26] <giggsey> ^_^ [04:26] <iiiears> !mythtv [04:26] <ubotu> iiiears: I don't know, could you explain it? [04:26] <giggsey> when trying to install that php editor you said [04:26] <apokryphos> giggsey: installed perfectly :) [04:26] <giggsey> pfft [04:26] <apokryphos> giggsey: how did you install it? [04:26] <giggsey> ./configure [04:26] <giggsey> it failed on that [04:26] <thoreauputic> Just a general message: people, please don't /msg or pm individuals without asking - they might be busy [04:26] <apokryphos> giggsey: errr.... it's in the repositories [04:27] <osfameron> apokryphos, quite liking Kontact (though the colour scheme is a bit WinXP/Fisher price ;-) [04:27] <giggsey> ok... [04:27] <apokryphos> giggsey: and, of course, being a KDE app it depends on kde libs [04:27] <giggsey> yeah [04:27] <giggsey> and I said earlier I have gnome [04:27] <apokryphos> osfameron: I love Kontact too ;-). Though colours are great :P. Completely opposite to Outlook, come on now! [04:27] <ionnek> ok [04:28] <ionnek> does anyone know how to use the ubuntu recovery mode? [04:28] <apokryphos> giggsey: obviously you can still run the app in gnome perfectly [04:28] <giggsey> pfft [04:29] <apokryphos> !info quanta [04:29] <ubotu> quanta: (web development environment for KDE), section web, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 2192 kB, Installed size: 5316 kB [04:29] <apokryphos> giggsey: it's in main, even. sudo apt-get install quanta [04:30] <Geez> lo there, could someone help me out? [04:30] <ubiquitin> apokryphos: is there supposed to be a splash screen during bootup btw? [04:30] <funkyHat> has anyone succesfully installed abr2gbr? [04:30] <apokryphos> ubiquitin: I don't think that's been put in yet [04:31] <apokryphos> ubiquitin: though you can reasonably easily set it up yourself [04:31] <giggsey> some reason it install gphpedit [04:31] <giggsey> that will do :) [04:31] <giggsey> ^_^ [04:31] <Geez> When booting the live CD I get a installation screen, everywhere I read on the internet that no installation is required, is thias normal (I double checked the ISO I downloaded) [04:33] <funkyHat> Geez, the live CD has a few options to choose at startup that look the same as the installer [04:33] <booger> can anybody help me with ffmpeg [04:33] <funkyHat> it's not the installer [04:33] <apokryphos> !info gphpedit [04:33] <apokryphos> That's weird.. it doesn't find it. It's in Universe, though [04:33] <carstenh> hi, sometimes the harddisk of my breezy box makes some noise (sound like it goes to suspend or something similar) and after this i can't access my harddisk. did anyone have a similar problem? [04:35] <Geez> thanx [04:35] <Geez> I get an error during loading the Live CD [04:35] <apokryphos> No, wait... it's only in breezy. [04:35] <Hoxzer> what phone manufacturer makes most compatible [04:35] <Hoxzer> [04:35] <QMario> Must I pay anything for Open Xchange to function? [04:36] <aru> [04:36] <funkyHat> when i try to make abr2gbr it outputs http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1303 , can anyone help me? [04:36] <Geez> it says "Installation step faild" "Enter preinstalled session" [04:36] <Bags> Anyone know anything about Adaptec SCSI controller cards and booting off them with Ubuntu? [04:36] <sproingie> funkyHat: you need libglib-dev [04:36] <Hoxzer> what phone manufacturer makes phones that are most compatible for linux? [04:36] <funkyHat> ok :) [04:37] <quiet> phones? [04:37] <quiet> IPT/VOIP phones? [04:37] <Hoxzer> no [04:37] <Hoxzer> normal phones [04:37] <sproingie> find a compatible telephony card [04:37] <funkyHat> sproingie, i have libglib2.0-dev, i'll get 1.2-dev as well [04:37] <sproingie> then find a phone compatible with the card [04:38] <quiet> then wtf are you talking about..?? why does your telephone need to be Linux compatible? [04:38] <idlemind1> !ubuntu [04:38] <ubotu> from memory, ubuntu is an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian. http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards [04:38] <Hoxzer> Sprot: do you meen something like MMC with card? [04:38] <andrei_> Hi, how can I get the utf8 character set in mysql on ubuntu? [04:39] <booger> can anyone help me with a problem with ffmpeg ?? [04:39] <sproingie> regular phones are pretty dumb devices. if they talk to the card correctly, they'll work with linux [04:39] <idlemind1> !award [04:39] <ubotu> idlemind1: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [04:39] <eliphas_> lo [04:39] <QMario> !Botsnack [04:39] <ubotu> thanks qmario :) [04:39] <ernie> arghhh [04:40] <kdegimp> i can't burn anything [04:40] <idlemind1> !awards [04:40] <ubotu> awards is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubunturocks [04:40] <kdegimp> unbuntu is possiblly the worst of the box os i used. [04:40] <kdegimp> ubuntu* [04:41] <sproingie> mine didn't come in a box [04:41] <sproingie> damn, it really does have the worst box [04:41] <kdegimp> i mean fancy cd sleeve [04:41] <apokryphos> kdegimp: kdegimp? Not Krita? ;-) [04:41] <jasoncohen> kdegimp, why is it so bad? and what do you expect for free"? [04:41] <kdegimp> im poor [04:41] <kdegimp> i can't fork over 200 bucks for ms windows [04:42] <kdegimp> i was given this at school [04:42] <kdegimp> i will make sure to kill my cs teacher tommrow [04:42] <kdegimp> lol [04:42] <QMario> Kdegimp, what does real-time Linux mean? [04:42] <kdegimp> real-time pain? [04:42] <jasoncohen> kdegimp, did you get an official CD or a cd someone burned for you? [04:42] <sproingie> that's of course the best way to get help [04:42] <jasoncohen> you can dl the iso online [04:42] <kdegimp> offical [04:42] <kdegimp> my teacher had lots of them [04:42] <sproingie> come onto a distribution's channel and slag off the distro right off [04:42] <sproingie> that's real tactful [04:42] <iiiears> windows isn't worth 200 dollars. - and 2k3 server is hundreds more? - linux is better. [04:43] <kdegimp> he gave lots to his students, used some as coasters, used some as fresbies [04:43] <QMario> Kdegimp, you can try SUSE Linux? [04:43] <kdegimp> cause he ordered to many [04:43] <kdegimp> suse cost money! [04:43] <QMario> No. [04:43] <kdegimp> i got pwned by novell [04:43] <sproingie> way i see it, an xbox costs about as much as windows now and is getting close to playing the same caliber games as on a PC [04:43] <quiet> Windows XP Pro is $80 [04:43] <kdegimp> it* [04:43] <quiet> OEM license [04:44] <QMario> Kdegimp, go to #SUSE and ask around. [04:44] <sproingie> suse has a free version now [04:44] <ubiquitin> kdegimp: go www.opensuse.org if you're unhappy with ubuntu [04:44] <QMario> !Suse [04:44] <kdegimp> but debian based os's are soo must faster [04:44] <ubotu> I don't know, QMario [04:44] <kdegimp> i had fedora core once [04:44] <kdegimp> it was soo slow [04:44] <sproingie> there's also freebsd.org and opensolaris.org [04:44] <QMario> Kdegimp, really? [04:44] <thoreauputic> kdegimp: really, it's pretty pontless to rock in here and bad mouth Ubuntu when you haven't even learnt to use it [04:44] <QMario> Kdegimp, what processor are you using? [04:44] <kdegimp> im trying to learn [04:44] <idlemind1> ubuntu rocks kdegimp [04:44] <kdegimp> i can't get my burner to work [04:45] <kdegimp> i did cdrecord -scanbus [04:45] <kdegimp> and it finds nothing [04:45] <kdegimp> 0_o [04:45] <QMario> Kdegimp, you are ging [04:45] <QMario> Kdegimp, you are stuck. [04:45] <kdegimp> it complains about something .. [04:45] <kdegimp> lemme see [04:45] <idlemind1> and you call that ubuntu problem kdegimp ? [04:45] <Geez> during Live CD "installation" I get the message: "Installation step faild" "Enter preinstalled session" [04:45] <alex____1> ok, is there a ubuntu way to install webcam ?> [04:45] <iiiears> freebsd is nice - but you better like the default install a lot. - you'll be stuck with while you relearn everythig [04:45] <thoreauputic> kdegimp: that doesn't work with 2.6 kernels - try cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc or whatever [04:45] <sproingie> kdegimp: doesn't work with me either, and i record just fine [04:46] <sproingie> kdegimp: go grab k3b and use it [04:46] <QMario> SUSE will cost "real" money if your CD writer doesn't work. [04:46] <sproingie> kdegimp: and try a little patience [04:46] <kdegimp> ok thoreauputic [04:46] <kdegimp> ill try [04:46] <Veon> Anyone know how to get Wifi working on a laptop with Ubuntu? [04:46] <iiiears> !wifi [04:46] <ubotu> hmm... wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto [04:46] <alex____1> My webcam is known to work with the 0v511+ driver, which is intalled with ubuntu, still it does not work, what are my option ? [04:46] <sproingie> kdegimp: presumably by your nick you prefer kde, k3b should do nicely [04:46] <iiiears> !ndis [04:46] <ubotu> iiiears: I don't know, could you explain it? [04:46] <QMario> Thoreauputic, what does your name mean? [04:46] <sproingie> tho i think k3b just uses qt and isn't a kde app [04:46] <iiiears> !ndiswrapper [04:46] <ubotu> it has been said that ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper [04:47] <QMario> !webcam [04:47] <iiiears> ubotu ndis is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper [04:47] <ubotu> okay, iiiears [04:47] <thoreauputic> QMario: it's a play on Henry David Thoreau ("CivilDisobedience") and therapy and a couple of other ideas [04:47] <kdegimp> and another thing, x windows keeps crashing on gnome, so i managed to install kde, and disabled sound, for some reason it would get my cpu up to 100% and hang [04:47] <QMario> Ubotu, tell alex____1 about webcam. [04:48] <QMario> !Botsnack [04:48] <ubotu> :) [04:49] <jblu> Hi, can anyone tell me how to run a2ps. I'm new and don't know much about the command line, if that's what I have to do. [04:49] <calle> enyone here useing Point2play? [04:49] <kdegimp> oh why was i cursed with this 500mhz pos! [04:49] <micampe> kdegimp, complaining will not make it faster [04:49] <kdegimp> :-) [04:49] <sproingie> that's like 7 years old. you might want to investigate freebsd [04:50] <iiiears> throwing it down a well will make it go faster for a short time. [04:50] <kdegimp> are computers at school use freebsd [04:50] <sproingie> iiiears: like the joke about the best way to accellerate a mac [04:50] <sproingie> iiiears: 9.8 m/sec^2 [04:50] <kdegimp> i wonder why my lazy ass teacher didn't give me a copy of that [04:50] <iiiears> ubuntulite may be worth a look for your machine [04:50] <iiiears> lol [04:51] <kdegimp> hmm, probably wanted to give me something "user friendly" [04:51] <quiet> woot for FreeBSD! [04:51] <quiet> my fav. OS on the planet [04:51] <sproingie> mine too, but i stupidly have an ATI card [04:51] <kdegimp> whats wrong with ati cards? [04:51] <GNULinuxer> quiet: what are you doing here then? [04:51] <quiet> i use Linux on my lappy.. [04:51] <sproingie> kdegimp: total lack of driver support [04:51] <quiet> hate the 640x480 console [04:51] <kdegimp> doh [04:52] <quiet> sproingie, not true... [04:52] <kdegimp> i was planning on saving up and buying one [04:52] <kdegimp> this voodoo 3 is crapping out [04:52] <quiet> FreeBSD has native supprot for Atheros wireless.... and has for a long time.. linux still does not... only with madwifi [04:52] <Geez> during Live CD "installation" I get the message: "Installation step faild" "Enter preinstalled session" <-- anyone? :-/ [04:52] <sproingie> quiet: they work on linux, and the driver's stable, but it performs badly [04:53] <sproingie> quiet: ati won't deign to release drivers for freebsd. nvidia does [04:53] <sproingie> quiet: nvidia even has drivers for opensolaris. not sure if that means 3d accellerated or not tho [04:53] <ubiquitin> sproingie: the ATI DRI driver's nice on some cards. not on the most recent ones though [04:53] <iiiears> nVidia sold another new card. - ;) [04:53] <thoreauputic> kdegimp: your "lazy ass teacher" apparently wa interested and generos enough to get free CDs for his students... what a hopeless teacher! [04:53] <kdegimp> :-/

 [04:54] <kdegimp> okay sowwie [04:54] <sproingie> ubiquitin: not anything R300 based. like i said, it's stable enough for me, but the driver support is rotten

 [04:54] <kdegimp> / 0_o [04:54] <ubiquitin> sproingie: oh i see, sorry am being blind :) [04:54] <mjr> Well, at least driver support for r300 is getting into x.org. Unlike some others. Not that ATI helps. [04:55] <ubiquitin> sproingie: lol, same here [04:55] <sproingie> got a good deal on it. overall i should have sprung for the nvidia tho [04:56] <knoppix> hola [04:56] <iiiears> ubuntu-es [04:56] <iiiears> ?? [04:56] <micampe> sproingie, I have the x300 / r350 and in fact with the free drivers is slower than i810 sometimes [04:57] <ubiquitin> is Breezy already using what will shortly become X11R7? [04:57] <sanemadman> Hello all [04:57] <sanemadman> I have a question about setting up wireless - PM if anyone would like to help. It would be greatly appriciated! [04:57] <sproingie> micampe: it's wretched for games. thankfully OGL vertex and fragment shaders actually seem to work, amazingly enough [04:58] <sanemadman> any takers? [04:58] <sproingie> don't ask people to pm you [04:58] <micampe> sproingie, I don't need games. But rss-glx is a must! *wink* [04:58] <sanemadman> Fine. Anyone out in the main? I didn't want to congest up the main chat w/ crap ppl probably already know. [04:59] <mjr> micampe, do you mean the release drivers or the in-development 3d-accelerated drivers? (if the latter, that's a shame; if the former, well, of _course_ it can be slower than i810) [04:59] <quiet> sanemadman, ask your question... if someone can/wants to help, they will [04:59] <sproingie> best to take existing chats to pm. there's just a lot of people who come on and bellow their problems and ask for pm then idle on the channel [04:59] <micampe> mjr, whatever is in hoary [04:59] <mjr> micampe, righto [04:59] <loeki> Hi ppl, I just installed Hoary and it keeps asking me for the root passwd, even with sudo, any ideas? [05:00] <micampe> mjr, does breezy have faster drivers? [05:00] <sanemadman> Interesting... Considering that this was listed as a channel to go to for help. [05:00] <quiet> loeki, use your password.. not root [05:00] <mjr> micampe, I don't know if the accelerated r300 driver will make it in, sadly. I'm hoping for it. [05:00] <loeki> quiet, doesn't work [05:00] <iiiears> okay, but consider what it's like if you are new and sleep deprived spent hours tring to make s [05:00] <iiiears> ome [05:00] <iiiears> thing [05:00] <rosa> somebody know how i can test the temp. of my CPU with lmsensores [05:01] <iiiears> work and it just won't offer help or try to stay quiet [05:01] <thoreauputic> sanemadman: it is a help channel - it's best for everyone from a learning viewpoint if questions are answered in the channel [05:01] <asdrubal> PHOTOBLOG.NET MAJOR BUG RELEASED muahaha (still not patched) --> http://www.systemsecure.org/ssforum/viewtopic.php?t=65 [05:01] <loeki> quiet, you where right, ty [05:01] <calle> enyone have eny idea where the config file for Point2play is? [05:01] <quiet> loeki, :) [05:01] <thoreauputic> sanemadman: a lot of us learnt a lot just lurking [05:01] <QMario> Thoreauputic, is libdvdcss "illegal"? [05:02] <thoreauputic> QMario: depends where you live [05:02] <sanemadman> I've tried - considering that I am very new at this, a lot of what I have found, I do not understand. [05:02] <thoreauputic> QMario: in the USA, yes it's illegal [05:03] <QMario> Thoreauputic, why? [05:03] <thoreauputic> sanemadman: that's normal at first [05:03] <jadedstar> !wifi [05:03] <ubotu> wifi is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto [05:03] <sanemadman> thx ubotu [05:03] <iiiears> sanemadman, - ubotu has the info to make it work. [05:03] <QMario> Then, how do I watch DVDs with Linux? [05:03] <thoreauputic> sanemadman: we've all been there, believe me [05:03] <sanemadman> oops.. it's a bot [05:03] <sanemadman> lol [05:03] <jadedstar> sanemadmen: lol yw :-) [05:03] <iiiears> !ubotu [05:03] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/ [05:03] <sanemadman> lol [05:03] <sanemadman> clever [05:04] <sanemadman> I will try the link - thanks for the help everyone! [05:04] <mjr> QMario, you pretty much violate the law. [05:04] <jadedstar> sanemadman: also might try !wireless or !networking [05:04] <thoreauputic> QMario: either you break the law, or you write to your congressman and complain, or you vote for a sane government [05:04] <sanemadman> thx jaded [05:04] <thoreauputic> or indeed all 3 [05:05] <eventualbuddha> i have a samba share i'd like to have mounted on startup. do i do that in /etc/fstab? if so, what do i put in there? [05:05] <jadedstar> sanemadman: np hope it helps, I don't know too much about the topic myself or I'd try to help directly :-) [05:05] <QMario> !DVD [05:05] <ubotu> dvd is, like, There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good. gstreamer-totem [05:05] <fatcap> WARNING: missing file /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5/include/config/include/linux/autoconf.h [05:05] <fatcap> The cause of this problem is usually a missing or misconfigured [05:05] <fatcap> kernel source tree (and sometimes an incorrect directory or symbolic link). [05:05] <QMario> !libdvdcss [05:05] <ubotu> QMario: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [05:05] <fatcap> where do i get autoconf.h from [05:05] <iiiears> thoreauputic - in the U.S. it is always good business to treat even your best customers as potential thieves [05:06] <sanemadman> lol Now, I understand that feeling jaded... [05:06] <thoreauputic> iiiears: so it would seem [05:06] <anacron> ah i got stepmania rc2 working in ubuntu [05:06] <fatcap> !autoconf.h [05:06] <ubotu> fatcap: Are you smoking crack? [05:06] <fatcap> yes [05:06] <jadedstar> lol [05:06] <fatcap> but that doesn't have anything to do with me no being able to have autoconf.h [05:07] <jadedstar> the wonders of the bot [05:07] <iiiears> ubotu you stink [05:07] <ubotu> No you stink, iiiears. [05:07] <fatcap> !whereis autoconf.h [05:07] <ubotu> fatcap: I don't know, could you explain it? [05:07] <thoreauputic> !find autoconf.h [05:07] <sanemadman> heh [05:07] <sanemadman> I love it.. [05:07] <jadedstar> I once got it to admit it was gay [05:07] <sanemadman> really now? [05:07] <sanemadman> a gay bot... [05:08] <sanemadman> gaybot5000? [05:08] <jadedstar> yeah, took like 2 hours of convo tho [05:08] <sanemadman> lol [05:08] <jadedstar> i think it just got confused but finally i got a "Yes" out of it [05:08] <alex____1> can someone direct me to a channel or anyother place where I can grab some help with my webcam ? [05:08] <fatcap> !webcam [05:08] <ubotu> I heard webcam is Support for webcams with messenger-like programs will be available in the next version of amsn (already in the CVS version) and with gaim-vv, or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=47841 and GQcam http://cse.unl.edu/~cluening/gqcam/ [05:08] <thoreauputic> fatcap: the bot had a lot of output for !find autoconf.h [05:08] <jadedstar> !webcam [05:08] <sanemadman> lol, that is too good [05:08] <fatcap> !find autoconf.h [05:08] <thoreauputic> fatcap: if you repeat that it will go to you in /msg [05:08] <fatcap> does not [05:08] <deacon> Greetings! [05:09] <fatcap> oh i guess it did [05:09] <thoreauputic> fatcap: in /msg [05:09] <thoreauputic> yes [05:09] <sanemadman> k - off to fix my wireless... thx jaded and thoreau (great author btw...) [05:09] <jadedstar> lol gl sanemadman [05:09] <thoreauputic> sanemadman: :) [05:09] <fatcap> ok, no. [05:09] <fatcap> none of that helped me [05:10] <Robbie___> hello everybody [05:10] <deacon> wow! My wireless works SO much better now that I have an Atheros based card! [05:10] <thoreauputic> fatcap: ah well - worth a try anyway :/ [05:10] <alex____1> ubotu: thanks but I have checked this, my webcam seems to be recognized and to work perfectly, but just don't [05:10] <ubotu> alex____1: de nada [05:10] <Robbie___> does anyone know that ubuntu is bing used for mactel [05:10] <Trace> Hello, Does anyone here know Qt? i want to map 0x0090 to a character, but don't know how to do it. [05:10] <alex____1> ubotu, let me time to write [05:10] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, alex____1 [05:10] <thoreauputic> Robbie___: yes [05:10] <BollocksMacenzie> Does anyone know in which order the scripts in /etc/init.d are executed on boot? [05:10] <Robbie___> thought so [05:11] <Robbie___> just checking [05:11] <crashd> BollocksMacenzie: aren't they numbered, so the lower the number, the more recent execution? [05:11] <deacon> Anyone here familiar with Totem? I seem to be running into issues playing well, anything with Totem. [05:11] <crashd> i cant remember what system ubuntu uses [05:11] <thoreauputic> alex____1: heh - ubotu is the channel's bot [05:11] <QMario> Thoreauputic, what is the most "legalistic" way to play DVDs on Linux? [05:11] <thoreauputic> QMario: you're asking the wrong man ;) [05:11] <BollocksMacenzie> they're not numbered, they're named... E.g. bootmisc.sh [05:11] <QMario> Okay. [05:12] <SER[ChatNick] > can anybody tell me how to enable anti aliasing fonts on my ubuntu box? I am trying to make my fonts like in windows XP or something like that [05:12] <thoreauputic> QMario: my frank advice is to ignore the stupidity of your government and just use libdvdcss2 anyway [05:13] <QMario> Thoreauputic, hee, hee, hee! :-! [05:13] <deacon> rofl. [05:13] <jsgotangco> thoreauputic: you should be sleeping :) [05:14] <thoreauputic> jsgotangco: heh - because I'm encouraging lawbreaking? *grin* [05:14] <fatcap> ok fck it [05:14] <thoreauputic> Civil Disobedience! [05:15] <fatcap> im ripping the goddamn sound card out [05:15] <jsgotangco> heh [05:15] <LinuxJones> SER[ChatNick] , anti-aliasing should be on by default. Maybe your resolution is set too low for your monitor and the fonts have jagged edges. [05:16] <LinuxJones> SER[ChatNick] , or do you have an lcd display ? [05:17] <SER[ChatNick] > LinuxJones, yes [05:17] <struggler> openssh-server 1:3.9p1-1ubuntu2 appears to have the hang-on-exit problem reported against 3.4.p1, comments? [05:17] <uthini> yo [05:17] <SER[ChatNick] > i have tft monitor [05:17] <SER[ChatNick] > an my resolution is 1280x1024 [05:17] <nmorse> Anyone here know of a good way to configure a wireless card after setting up ndiswrapper? [05:17] <LinuxJones> SER[ChatNick] , ok go System >> Preferences >> Font and select "SubPixel Smoothing" for font rendering. [05:18] <LinuxJones> SER[ChatNick] , that should help out [05:19] <anacron> nmorse: run modprobe ndiswrapper, and then configure it from the filemenu... [05:19] <SER[ChatNick] > LinuxJones, thanks a lot [05:19] <Alakala> Hi everyone, I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a external usb-hd, and even got it installed and got GRUB workin when its on my windows-hd, but when I try to boot, it kernel panics and can't find some places including /dev/console, help? (No special brand on the usb-hd, just a case with a maxtor in it.) [05:19] <nmorse> Right, file menu, configure, doesn't add up [05:19] <nmorse> What tool a.k.a. program should I use? [05:19] <gilligan_> hi [05:20] <LinuxJones> SER[ChatNick] , ;) [05:20] <anacron> nmorse: go to system -> administration -> networking [05:20] <nmorse> Thanks [05:20] <ionnek> hi... i'm still trying to get into my login [05:20] <zAo^> ionnek: shoot [05:20] <ionnek> k. [05:21] <jarkko_> Why Xlink kai gives "Segmentation fault" when I run it? What does it mean? [05:21] <thoreauputic> struggler: just going to try ssh here to see if I can reproduce... [05:21] <ionnek> ouh. [05:21] <eventualbuddha> i have a samba share mounted at /mnt/ps15 (i think), but when i do sudo ls /mnt/ps15 it says Permission denied. any ideas? [05:21] <gilligan_> anyone ever experienced hoary installation problems where the installation halts during 'Setting up primary installation repository' ? i installed ubuntu on some machines before.. never happened - but i'm trying it for the 3rd time on my new shuttle pc and it always hangs there [05:21] <nxv_> how to change the automake version the system uses? [05:21] <Alakala> Anyone? [05:21] <ionnek> thoreauputic told me to get to the -what was it called, rescue... - setup, so that i could talk to my computer. [05:21] <struggler> thoreaupitic: Jani Jaakkola has a one liner to test it.... [05:21] <zAo^> gilligan_, took a look at the logging (ALT + F4) [05:22] <thoreauputic> ionnek: recovery mode [05:22] <ionnek> thanks :-) [05:22] <setite> is there a way to kill my onboard mouse without restarting k [05:22] <ionnek> it worked very well, even gave me a command line [05:22] <setite> i cant type because i always bump it [05:22] <ionnek> so i played with that. [05:22] <uthini> installing a debian package on ubuntu, howto go about? i just paid for cedega and sum games [05:22] <ionnek> i asked it df -hl [05:22] <zAo^> ionnek, and now what? :) [05:22] <thoreauputic> struggler: link? [05:22] <ionnek> sorry, zAo [05:22] <gilligan_> zAo^, nothing supicous besides 'debconf:Obsolete command TITLE Apt configuration called' [05:22] <ionnek> forgot to say what the prob is! [05:23] <struggler> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/mailing.unix.openssh-dev/browse_thread/thread/41dcb0f0a5083d06/9bec21711627ea37?lnk=st&q=sshd+hang+on+logout&rnum=12#9bec21711627ea37 [05:23] <speel> uthini:>> if its a .deb package type dpkg -i package [05:23] <zAo^> gilligan_, can you login with ALT + F2? [05:23] <thoreauputic> struggler: thanks [05:23] <zAo^> ionnek, uhu :) [05:23] <struggler> thoreaupitic: nphttp://groups-beta.google.com/group/mailing.unix.openssh-dev/browse_thread/thread/41dcb0f0a5083d06/9bec21711627ea37?lnk=st&q=sshd+hang+on+logout&rnum=12#9bec21711627ea37 [05:23] <struggler> thoreaupitic:np [05:23] <ionnek> box won't let me login. Tells me that gdm can't access my authentizicate file. [05:23] <gilligan_> zAo^, yeah.. i'm looking at the running processes atm [05:23] <QMario> !Botsnack. [05:23] <ubotu> thanks qmario :) [05:24] <ionnek> so i am trying to login so that i can sit in the garden with my laptop, but can't get to my files. [05:24] <zAo^> ionnek, lol. Well, can you login with root? [05:24] <ionnek> found through google that probably some folder or other is full [05:24] <uthini> tx speel [05:24] <ionnek> arfhhhg [05:24] <ionnek> ! [05:24] <ubotu> ionnek: Do they come in packets of five? [05:24] <gilligan_> ah..crap.. no strace in busybox [05:24] <zAo^> ionnek, df -hl / gives you?? <90% ? [05:24] <ionnek> i am not sure i understand how ubuntu deals with root. [05:25] <speel> np [05:25] <idleminds> ionnek: use sudo [05:25] <ionnek> when it works, i just use my ionnek login plus password. [05:25] <zAo^> ionnek, sorry :) I do a sudo passwd root .... [05:25] <ionnek> and if i need root, i open a root termnial. [05:25] <idleminds> yes. ionnek [05:25] <ionnek> so - being really stupid, i simply assumed that i don't have a root password! [05:25] <zAo^> ionnek, in GDM try ALT + F2 ;-) [05:25] <ionnek> ah, zao. [05:25] <uthini> having trouble browsing a network pc [05:25] <micampe> !start a desktop war [05:25] <ubotu> e is much better than kde! [05:25] <kemik> !tell ionnek about root [05:26] <zAo^> ionnek, ubuntu doesnt have a root password :) [05:26] <micampe> that's fun :) [05:26] <kemik> see that page ubotu told you about ionnek [05:26] <neiras> Hello! Just wondering how I can set the resolution of my text-mode console [05:26] <micampe> !start a desktop war [05:26] <zAo^> lol [05:26] <funkyHat> !distrowar [05:26] <ubotu> funkyHat: Did you get hit by a windmill? [05:26] <ionnek> your bot here is talking to me! [05:26] <uthini> ubotu network password [05:26] <micampe> neiras, pass vga=792 to the kernel at book [05:26] <ubotu> uthini: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! [05:26] <uthini> lol [05:26] <funkyHat> gar, someone removed it :P [05:27] <uthini> guys [05:27] <neiras> micampe, thanks [05:27] <neiras> micampe, what res will that give me [05:27] <ionnek> ok, zAo, i did this ctrl alt f1 thing. [05:27] <thoreauputic> struggler: can't say I follow that thread : I don't see anything unusual here but I guess that doesn't prove much [05:27] <micampe> neiras, 1024x768 [05:27] <zAo^> ionnek, in a terminal right now? check you filessystems with "df -h" [05:27] <struggler> thoreaupitic: Did you try the one-liner to test for the bug? [05:27] <ionnek> first it brought up lots of error messages. [05:27] <neiras> micampe: is it possible to get 1280x1024? That's my LCD's native resolution [05:28] <zAo^> ionnek, wow, like what? [05:28] <micampe> neiras, vga=794 [05:28] <jadedstar> anyone know of a starcraft-ish game for linux (free)? [05:28] <anacron> neiras: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [05:28] <ionnek> zA0\ [05:28] <ionnek> oups [05:28] <zAo^> :) [05:28] <farsawoos> Greets :) [05:28] <struggler> thoreaupitic: I happened upon the thread because I am having intermittent log off hangs and was looking for hints [05:28] <anacron> neiras: i have 1280x1024 resolution [05:28] <ionnek> anyway, i did df -hl from the recovery mode. [05:28] <micampe> (whoever created that res should be kicked til the end of time) [05:28] <zAo^> ionnek, nothing above 90% ? [05:28] <neiras> anacron, we're talking text-mode, not X, but thanks [05:28] <ionnek> and it told me that my /dev/hd1 is almost full [05:29] <anacron> neiras: using SVGATextMode ? [05:29] <zAo^> ionnek, try: sudo apt-get clean [05:29] <Earered> jadedstar, freecraft, but it is not as good as starcraft (and abandonned last time I checked) [05:29] <neiras> anacron: not unless that's what Hoary sets up by default [05:29] <ionnek> zAo - hm. [05:29] <anacron> neiras: im using that, but i can't find any good resolution [05:30] <anacron> neiras: you should try that [05:30] <jadedstar> Earered: Bah, thank you though. Was looking for something like Starcraft or C&C to kill some time [05:30] <ionnek> if i apt-get clean, what happens??? is it a program that tries to fix my box, or is it something that wipes all my files? [05:30] <farsawoos> koo koo kachoo! [05:30] <neiras> anacron, I'll havve a look at it - thanks [05:30] <micampe> anacron, why not just use the kernel framebuffer? [05:30] <anacron> micampe: why not svgatextmode? :D [05:30] <zAo^> ionnek, I wipes the cache to gain free space [05:30] <thoreauputic> struggler: yep - it seems to give the bug output [05:31] <micampe> ionnek, it removes the old package files apt downloaded [05:31] <anacron> micampe: because i haven't try framebuffer yet, thats why i didn't know [05:31] <anacron> to tell about it... [05:31] <ionnek> zao, thanks [05:31] <ionnek> i'll try that. [05:31] <anacron> micampe: is it easy to set it up with framebuffer? [05:31] <ionnek> :-) [05:31] <micampe> anacron, just pass vga=792 to the kernel (don't know how that plays with that svgathing) [05:31] <struggler> thoreaupitic: so.....what now? [05:32] <micampe> anacron, that'll give you a 1024x768 console [05:32] <zAo^> ionnek, take a look at the new messages, ok? [05:32] <thoreauputic> struggler: I'm not a dev - I guess it should be reported on the ubuntu bugzilla [05:32] <besfdsdf> anybody? [05:32] <struggler> thoreaupitic: Well, I can't prove that it is a bug, all I know is I'm having logout hangs and it fails that test. [05:33] <anacron> micampe: to kernel?, can you be more specifig, i don't know how to do that [05:33] <Alakala> I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a external usb-hd, and even got it installed and got GRUB workin when its on my windows-hd, but when I try to boot, it kernel panics and can't find some places including /dev/console, help? (No special brand on the usb-hd, just a case with a maxtor in it. Repeating this, cause no-one answered) [05:33] <LinuxJones> besfdsdf, what's wrong again ? [05:33] <thoreauputic> struggler: right - maybe it needs confirmation from a dev : have you mentioned it in #ubuntu-devel ? [05:33] <anacron> Alakala: have you tried the forums yet? [05:34] <struggler> thoreaupitic: no but it will [05:34] <LinuxJones> Alakala, you need to add usb support for your hd. Let me see if I can find you some information....1 sec [05:34] <struggler> thoreaupitic: s/it/I [05:34] <ionnek> hey zao, i cleaned the cache, thanks! [05:34] <struggler> thoreaupitic: thanks for your time [05:34] <thoreauputic> struggler: I'm not really competent to do more than confirm I saw the bug test fail [05:34] <struggler> thoreaupitic: ok, thanks [05:34] <micampe> anacron, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopSmallConsole [05:35] <thoreauputic> struggler: you can mention I tried it if you wish [05:35] <Alakala> anacron not yet, thought that this would be a better place to try. [05:35] <ionnek> how if i do this df -hl thing again, it tells me that 5.2G on my 5.7 drive are used. and 94Mworth of tmpfs. [05:35] <anacron> micampe: thanks [05:35] <struggler> thoreaupitic: ok, I will [05:35] <Alakala> LinuxJones ok, thanks. [05:35] <ionnek> i would like to find out where these 5.2G are that i have apparently used. [05:37] <uthini> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process [05:37] <uthini> wots that mean? [05:37] <neiras> uthini: use sudo [05:37] <anacron> micampe: any idea how to get 1280x1024 resolution? [05:37] <uthini> mkay [05:37] <neiras> uthini: and close Synaptic [05:37] <funkyHat> uthini, there is another program using the package database, maybe you have synaptic open? [05:37] <micampe> anacron, 794 [05:38] <anacron> micampe: thanks, how does those numbers work? [05:38] <anacron> :D [05:38] <micampe> anacron, they are the vesa video mode codes [05:38] <anacron> okay [05:38] <Earered> jadedstar, if you are patient you can try to compile games available on sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/softwaremap/trove_list.php?form_cat=81 or searching the universe repository (I've seen stratagus, though I don't know how good it is) [05:38] <uthini> bwahahahahahhaha tx guys [05:38] <micampe> you can find them in the kernel documentation [05:39] <micampe> anybody managed to get a 1400x1050 console? [05:39] <kicolobo> Hi, how can I configure my sound system on Ubuntu? [05:40] <kicolobo> I'm using the Hoary version (5.04) [05:40] <Earered> jadedstar, and last: globulator seems fun (and a bit weird) [05:40] <^thehatsrule^> turn up the volume :P [05:41] <apokryphos> !sound [05:41] <ubotu> it has been said that sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063, or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/ [05:41] <uthini> rite [05:42] <anacron> oh no!, i have to reboot this thing to get good resolution ;___; [05:42] <uthini> 1 last question, mounting an ISO as a cd? virtual drive style [05:42] <apokryphos> !kudos [05:42] <ubotu> [kudos] at Multi-page: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf.html Single-page (large): http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ by Chua Wen Kiat [05:42] <anacron> uthini: there's a howto in ubuntuguide.org. if nobody says the command [05:42] <nightswi1> ubotu: mount -o loop [05:42] <ubotu> nightswi1: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about [05:42] <nightswi1> uthini: mount -o loop [05:43] <Bramme> server irc.tweakers.net [05:43] <Napo> uthini: sudo modprobe loop; sudo mount isofile -o loop /mount/directory [05:44] <dieman> wow [05:44] <dieman> theres a pile of people in here now. [05:44] <zoofields> yep [05:44] <dieman> anyhow, its fun to see all the osx security updates this morning :) [05:44] <dieman> month old mysql issues! [05:44] <dieman> etc, [05:44] <dieman> i would hate to run services on osx if the vendor support is like that :) [05:45] <ionnek> zAo and thoreaupeutic, thanks very much. i now managed to login. [05:45] <farsawoos> I wish I could run OS X on my home desktop :( [05:45] <farsawoos> correction [05:45] <farsawoos> I wish I could run OS X on my gaming desktop [05:46] <ezek> why you can't [05:46] <farsawoos> New game support isn't there. hehe [05:46] <ezek> many ppl do it natively [05:46] <uthini> tx [05:46] <uthini> u guys rock [05:46] <farsawoos> Unless it can be emulated? [05:46] <farsawoos> :o [05:46] <ezek> ahh [05:46] <ezek> i see [05:46] <ezek> dunno about emu [05:46] <farsawoos> Besides [05:47] <micampe> I still don't get why anybody would want to play with something else than a console... [05:47] <Thewarmachine> hello folks [05:47] <farsawoos> Apple's hardware isn't up to the task, in many cases, for the latest generation titles. [05:47] <Thewarmachine> I wanted to install enlightenment dr17 [05:47] <farsawoos> Though I hear ti runs WoW pretty well. But, WoW isn't exactly system intensive. lol [05:47] <Thewarmachine> is there a straightforward method you knos of [05:47] <LinuxJones> Alakala, I am looking but can't seem to find much relevent info :( [05:48] <Alakala> LinuxJones :( [05:48] <stratovarius> hey [05:48] <ezek> micampe many pc games are nothing near from wht you get on cosole [05:48] <ezek> and the inverse is true also [05:49] <Thewarmachine> ok........ so aany ideas [05:49] <iiiears> gotta have a keyboard/mouse controls. - a gamepad just isn't very good [05:50] <ionnek> I have 5.7G on my hda1, but when i look in my home directory, I only have about 35000. [05:50] <ezek> yeah and not only that [05:50] <ionnek> does anyone know how to find out where the other bites are stored? [05:50] <Thewarmachine> hello!?!? [05:50] <ezek> you ever saw a game like half life or farcry on a console ? [05:50] <LinuxJones> Alakala, as I remember there were some usb modules that you had to load to get your system to boot into the usb hard drive. I will keep looking gimem another few mins [05:51] <quiet> Thewarmachine, build from source [05:51] <Alakala> Sure, I've got time and thanks for helping. :) [05:51] <Thewarmachine> dr17?? [05:51] <iiiears> farcry on a console? - hm... - doesn't sound too promising. [05:51] <quiet> Thewarmachine, it's a development release... and buggy [05:51] <apokryphos> !E [05:51] <ubotu> well, e is Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work; install: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46105 [05:51] <xml-blog> can anyone help a noob with a pretty easy compilation / configure question? [05:52] <quiet> Thewarmachine, it's nice... if you get it working right.... the new VectorLinux has it available for install from packages.. [05:52] <micampe> oh is E17 still developed? O thought it was dead years ago [05:52] <Corric76> Hello, I have a WPC-11 ver4 Linksys Wireless Buscard and would like to know how to set it up for Ubuntu? [05:52] <Thewarmachine> i had dr16 a while ago [05:52] <dbernar1> hi. [05:52] <Thewarmachine> so I wanted to see dr17 [05:52] <selinium> hi all, is there always a dd running? ie ps -C dd ? [05:53] <quiet> Corric76, NDIS wrapper is the only option... version 3 is PRISM II and supported out-of-the-box with orinioco_cs... v.4 sucks [05:53] <VooDoo> hi all [05:53] <selinium> hi [05:53] <Corric76> I have no idea what NDIS wrapper is [05:53] <dbernar1> So, I set out to set up connection sharing in Ubuntu, and document the process...and it does not really work right away...so I meddle with it, and in the end, I really do nothing to change it from when it did not work, and it starts working...annoying, eh? Now I dont know how to document it. [05:53] <apokryphos> Thewarmachine: if the version in the nooms repo is too old, then there isn't a newer one out yet, no (in an apt repo). [05:54] <quiet> Corric76, NDIS wrapper is a tool tat can wrap up with windows ndis driver for the card.. and make it usable under linux [05:54] <jadedstar> Earered: Thanks. Sorry for slow response ran afk for 5 min. [05:55] <selinium> can someone let me know if they have dd running. I have and I am not sure it should be. in term 'ps -C dd' cheers [05:55] <Corric76> How do I do that? [05:55] <quiet> Corric76, start here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=348252 and also google... [05:55] <dbernar1> selinium: sudo dpkg -L dd if dd is the package name. [05:55] <iiiears> selinium - dd is running on this machine also - no idea why it runs all the time tho. [05:56] <dfeed> hmmm... What is dd anyway? [05:56] <selinium> dbernar1: It is part of the linux framework. I just want to see if it starts during boot [05:56] <nevin> its a file i/o tool, for copying between character and block devices... it shouldn't start at boot, its a command line tool [05:56] <selinium> dfeed: it is a copying application. [05:56] <Corric76> ok I have been trying to set this up for a week now... IS there a away to REMOVE ubuntu from the laptop? [05:57] <iiiears> dfeed - it is a handy command for writing/piping data to disks [05:57] <Chameleon22> i am trying to run gnokii as a different user (as apposed to root) and need to add them to the right groups, added user to dialout group since thats what owns (root:dialout) ttyS0, error i get is: -Gnokii serial_open: open: Permission denied-Couldn't open FBUS device: Permission denied-Telephone interface init failed... any ideas? [05:57] <selinium> nevin: can you check yours please, ps -C dd [05:57] <dfeed> ah, makes sense. [05:57] <nevin> try: ps ax | grep dd [05:58] <nevin> /bin/dd bs 1 if /proc/kmsg of /var/run/klogd/kmsg [05:58] <quiet> Corric76, "sudo rm -rfv /" [05:58] <dbernar1> ya [05:58] <nevin> its logging kernel messages from the proc system file out to a real file on your hd [05:58] <letme0ut> damn this channel is just hot [05:59] <quiet> :\ [05:59] <dbernar1> ps hehe [05:59] <letme0ut> im pretty husky [05:59] <letme0ut> got a big ol belly [05:59] <hotxSAUCE> how do u find all of the command available in linux via shell? [05:59] <letme0ut> and some smokes [05:59] <selinium> nevin: cheers! i just wanted to make sure it wasn't an old one hanging around from some iso burning i have been trying to get working! [05:59] <iiiears> ps ax | grep dd - THANK YOU :) [05:59] <nevin> hotxSAUCE, press "tab" twice [06:00] <selinium> nevin: ripping, not burning [06:00] <Srekel> is "find * | grep filename" the recommended way to find files with file name filename? [06:00] <BollocksMacenzie> Is there a way to make a bash script load on boot of gnome? [06:00] <nevin> slinium, indeed, no problem [06:00] <quiet> i just use locate [06:00] <micampe> Srekel, Places -> Search for files [06:00] <Srekel> haha, thanks [06:00] <two-four-five-T> man bash :) [06:00] <quiet> man bash!? [06:00] <micampe> Srekel, if you really want find, it's find -name [06:01] <quiet> that like... gay bash? [06:01] <jadedstar> lol [06:01] <quiet> er... redneck bash? [06:01] <quiet> lol [06:01] <nevin> BollocksMacenzie: System -> Preferences -> Sessions, then go to the Startup Programs tab [06:01] <dgold> hello. how do i go about authenticating the uni/multiverse repositories? (or pointer to documentation) [06:01] <dbernar1> anyhow, I think you somehow need to add the script to /etc/init.d [06:01] <BollocksMacenzie> nevin : cheers! [06:01] <dbernar1> nevin: likely not what he wants. [06:02] <selinium> i have got O'reilly's Running Linux in front of me, and it doesn't have any documentation in the index on grep. Anyone fancy giving a quick synopsis? [06:02] <dbernar1> that is for when you login for it to start. [06:02] <nevin> dbernar1: he said GNOME, not linux [06:02] <anacron> oh man [06:02] <anacron> im so happy when i can play stepmania again :D [06:02] <dbernar1> selinium: info grep, tldp.org [06:02] <BollocksMacenzie> dberner1: It is actually! I need something to run a few commands at user level! [06:02] <hotxSAUCE> is there a way to automatically have access to my pc network without going to the places>network server ? [06:02] <dbernar1> true, I missed that. [06:02] <selinium> dbernar1: cheers [06:02] <eventualbuddha> hotxSAUCE: via samba? [06:03] <jaakko> hello. anybody using xfce4??? [06:03] <quiet> hotxSAUCE, open up nautilus/konqueror and type "smb:///" [06:03] <hotxSAUCE> like on the winxp i would creat a shortcut on the desktop //mypc/ [06:03] <dbernar1> jaakko: ask. [06:03] <dbernar1> jaakko: unless you are taking a poll. [06:03] <hotxSAUCE> and i can access it when ever i click on the short cut. can i do that in ubuntu ? [06:03] <jaakko> i accidentally removed the menu panel or whatever... could you tell me how to get it back please [06:03] <nevin> hotxSAUCE: you can also use the "Connect to Server" feature of nautilus [06:03] <eventualbuddha> hotxSAUCE: http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/linux-hn/samba-shares.htm [06:04] <eventualbuddha> i was just dealing with a similar problem [06:04] <Azagthoth> hello :) Can anybody help me to connect to the internet with a dialup modem with the ubuntu live CD please ? :) [06:04] <dabaR> jaakko: did you check on the #xfce? you have to wait there for a while, but they usually answer. [06:04] <Azagthoth> the modem is detected in the device list, but I can't find where to configure it : / [06:05] <quiet> Azagthoth, it's an internal modem? [06:05] <Azagthoth> yup [06:05] <Azagthoth> a smartlink 56k [06:05] <jaakko> ok ill ask there.. thanks [06:05] <quiet> probably a winmodem.. and won't work.. [06:05] <Azagthoth> yes it's a winmodem : / [06:05] <Azagthoth> isn't there a way to install drivers for those modems ? [06:06] <dabaR> Azagthoth: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html/PPP-HOWTO-html.tar.gz may help, I have not tried,. [06:06] <Azagthoth> ok I'll check the link thanks a lot :) [06:06] <thoreauputic> Azagthoth: send a polite letter to the manufacturer explaining that it would be nice if they supplied specs and drivers for their products to the linux community [06:06] <dabaR> its a tar.gz, so you need to unpack it. [06:06] <Thewarmachine> OH man enlightenment is gorgeous [06:07] <thoreauputic> Azagthoth: asuming they don't , that is ;) [06:07] <quiet> Thewarmachine, 16 or 17?? [06:07] <Thewarmachine> 17 [06:07] <quiet> where'd you get it? [06:07] <Azagthoth> I didn't check ^^ [06:07] <Thewarmachine> I believe apokryphos gave me the link [06:08] <quiet> Thewarmachine, oh.. from the forums? [06:08] <zege> hi [06:08] <letme0ut> hi zege [06:08] <zege> I've a big wlan prob, [06:09] <zege> and i don't know what to do [06:09] <letme0ut> describe ure problem [06:10] <letme0ut> there are a lot of people here someone will probably know how to fix it [06:10] <Thewarmachine> yeah [06:11] <Thewarmachine> from the forums [06:11] <Thewarmachine> its kickass [06:11] <zege> I've got a broadcom maxperformance 802.11g WLAN Card bulit in in my Notebook (compaq nx9105) [06:11] <Thewarmachine> but one thing I noticed, it dosnt show all of your apps [06:11] <Thewarmachine> you need to run them from command prompt [06:11] <zege> and i've already installed the driver with ndiswrapper, but i doesn't work [06:12] <apokryphos> It's good, but enlightenment seems pretty embryonic still, though very cool. [06:12] <letme0ut> eh [06:12] <letme0ut> ure using ubuntu? [06:12] <apokryphos> Great affects :) [06:12] <Thewarmachine> I agree [06:12] <ionnek> can someone point me to some helpfiles? I don't know how to ask the right question and don't find a solution in the ubuntu wiki. [06:12] <Thewarmachine> i see the bugs you guys were talking about [06:12] <fredforfaen> yeah E7 is sweet , but i prefer XFCE4 [06:12] <Thewarmachine> I have that too [06:12] <funkyHat> apokryphos, where can i get enlinghtenment 17? [06:12] <ionnek> it's about finding out where lots of bytes are being stored. [06:13] <ionnek> how can i find big files? [06:13] <apokryphos> !e [06:13] <ubotu> methinks e is Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work; install: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46105 [06:13] <quiet> !E [06:13] <ubotu> well, e is Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work; install: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46105 [06:13] <quiet> heh [06:13] <speel> ionnek:>> try linuxquestions.org [06:13] <wynk> Jau [06:13] <ionnek> speel - thanks, trying [06:13] <micampe> ionnek, install baobab (not in repos, but deb available( [06:13] <ionnek> the thing is, i don't know what to search for... [06:13] <speel> ionnek:>> thats usually the place to go when all else fails lol [06:13] <drcodedd2> Hi all [06:14] <quiet> i spend a lot of time on LQ [06:14] <speel> lq is a pretty good forum [06:14] <Thewarmachine> one thing I should mention is that it doesnt quite look the way I 've seen on other screenshots [06:14] <Thewarmachine> new apps to install i guess [06:14] <Azagthoth> oh btw, is there a way to mount my NTFS drives under ubuntu lvie CD please ? :D [06:14] <quiet> Azagthoth, not RW [06:14] <micampe> ionnek, or you could do, in a shell: "du /home/ionnek | sort -n" [06:15] <drcodedd2> can I do link to /dev/stin to /dev/osst0 ? [06:15] <Azagthoth> just in read mode ? [06:15] <quiet> yes [06:15] <Azagthoth> How can I do it ? (I don't remember, I'm a total linux noob :o ) [06:15] <sartas> cant rythmbox play mp3 :0? [06:15] <Carlosh> hey all, i have a question. I have a TEW-303 wireless lan-card from which i get internet. but i want to have internet on ubuntu. does ubuntu support that card? [06:15] <Azagthoth> I already did it a long time ago with knoppix, but can't remember ^^ [06:16] <paulproteu1> sartas: Yes. You must install gstreamer0.8-mad [06:16] <quiet> Azagthoth, sudo mkdir /mnt/win [06:16] <ionnek> micampe, thanks! [06:16] <drcodedd2> i have tape that use /dev/osst0 [06:16] <paulproteu1> !restrictedformats [06:16] <ubotu> restrictedformats is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs' [06:16] <Azagthoth> cool there are linux drivers for my modem [06:16] <quiet> edit /etc/fstab [06:16] <drcodedd2> and some backup software that use /dev/stin [06:16] <apokryphos> Azagthoth: sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -o umask=0222 [06:16] <hotxSAUCE> i have a dell 4600 with build intergrated vid card. is it good to install linux into it? i'm the driver wont be detected and i will be wasting the installing time and end up removing it [06:16] <Azagthoth> thank you :) [06:16] <sartas> paulproteul with apt-get? [06:16] <ionnek> micampe, so the command is: "du /home/ionnek | sort -n"? [06:16] <micampe> yup [06:16] <paulproteu1> sartas: Or using Synaptic. I personally recommend Synaptic. [06:17] <ionnek> doin it [06:17] <paulproteu1> hotxSAUCE: It very likely it will be detected. [06:17] <apokryphos> Azagthoth: you'll have to alter /dev/hda to whatever same with /mnt/windows -- where to mount it on [06:17] <sartas> ok [06:17] <Carlosh> hey all, i have a question. I have a TEW-303 wireless lan-card from which i get internet. but i want to have internet on ubuntu. does ubuntu support that card? [06:17] <Carlosh> ? [06:17] <paulproteu1> Carlosh: You'd be best off Googling the card. These days, the usual answer is, "Yes, the card is supported one way or another." [06:17] <hotxSAUCE> paulpro- well i'm only worry because i isntalled it on a compaq sr1010z with intergrated card and ubuntu cant detect it and the refresh rate is terrible [06:18] <Azagthoth> I'll try that thanks for your help :) good bye ^^ [06:18] <speel> Carlosh:>> or just try it your self .. thats usually your best bet [06:18] <paulproteus> hotxSAUCE: What year are these computers? [06:18] <hotxSAUCE> i tried going to the company that made the card wichi is Sis but they dont have anyd river for linux [06:18] <paulproteus> hotxSAUCE: And what company makes the integrated video chip? [06:18] <hotxSAUCE> i brought the linux sr1010z this month. and the dell 4600 last yrs [06:18] <yankee> Hi, i have a question. Im having a problem running ubuntu on a dell latitude d510 im using the live cd, everything runs and loads great but when the gui loads all i hear is the startup sound and the display goes black... [06:18] <iiiears> Azag, - check out an automated script for mounting all hard drives. winmac_fstab [06:18] <zege> speel:>> I've alsoa wlan prob, but me and google can't solve it. May you know how to? [06:19] <paulproteus> hotxSAUCE: Huh. Do you know what video chip is in the 4600? [06:19] <Carlosh> em.. there is some tutorial in Lithuanian (my laguage). can i try it? [06:19] <paulproteus> If it's ATI or NVidia, then it'll surely work. [06:19] <iiiears> !winmac_fstab [06:19] <ubotu> winmac_fstab is, like, totally, A script that facilitates easy mounting of NTFS/FAT (Windows) and HFS+ (Mac) hard drives and partitions. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/ [06:19] <Carlosh> but it is for mandrake [06:19] <hotxSAUCE> the intergrated card for the compaq is made by Sis.... as for the dell i didnt check yet but i'm sure it is made by intell [06:19] <paulproteus> Carlosh: Well, give me a URL and I'll see if I think it applies. [06:19] <paulproteus> hotxSAUCE: Intel chips should be fine. [06:20] <Carlosh> paulproteus ok wait a minute [06:20] <paulproteus> Make sure to install the latest release of Ubuntu, of coruse. [06:20] <speel> zege:>> check http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/index.php [06:20] <paulproteus> And to spell "course" right, of course. [06:20] <zege> i did this already, but there is no solution for my model [06:20] <KeeganW> zege: ndiswrapper is evil, u may have to join the ranks of those who have busted out the 'ol cat5 [06:20] <dfeed> hotxSAUCE: My computer has an integrated intel card, which gave me a few problems. I had to edit the xorg.conf file to include refresh rates for the monitor, and even then when I first start up gnome, I have to switch back to a terminal then back to gnome to get the screen looking right. [06:20] <paulproteus> KeeganW: Sadly, I use ndiswrapper. [06:21] <Carlosh> paulproteus > here's the link: http://www.mandrake.lt/?mid=2&smid=2&id=50& [06:21] <KeeganW> zege: I am currently having the same problem with my Dell 6000, it uses the Dell Wireless 1450 (broadcom chipset) [06:21] <paulproteus> dfeed: Usually /etc/init.d/gdm stop ; /etc/init.d/gdm start does the trick. [06:21] <KeeganW> paulproteus: it works for u? [06:21] <zege> KeeganW: I've also tried to do it with ndiswrapper, but this also doesn't work [06:21] <paulproteus> KeeganW: Yeah. [06:21] <quiet> dfeed, i believe intel ahs linux drivers available too [06:21] <yankee> can somone help me with my problem please? [06:21] <KeeganW> paulproteus: wat card do u use? [06:21] <speel> yankee:>> state the problem [06:21] <andril> hello all [06:21] <ionnek> micampe - can u help me interpret the output of du /home etc? [06:21] <paulproteus> DWL520 or 650 by D Link. [06:21] <yankee> Hi, i have a question. Im having a problem running ubuntu on a dell latitude d510 im using the live cd, everything runs and loads great but when the gui loads all i hear is the startup sound and the display goes black... [06:22] <dfeed> paulproteous: I'm kind of new to this. Could you tell me what I have to do with those files? [06:22] <KeeganW> yankee: do you meet the hardware requirements? [06:22] <anacaona> hello all [06:22] <nevin> yankee: check to see if your refresh rates in xorg.conf are correct, and whether you are using the correct driver [06:22] <yankee> when it checks the hardware it doesnt give me an error [06:22] <anacaona> is there an ubuntu package repository [06:22] <paulproteus> dfeed: When you had troubles getting the new refresh rate settings to apply, the best solution is to run: $ sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop ; sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start [06:22] <anacaona> ? [06:22] <quiet> dfeed, look up the the board/chip on Intel's website for drivers.. should explain how to install [06:22] <paulproteus> anacaona: Yes. Fire up Synaptic and take a look. [06:23] <paulproteus> Carlosh: Do you use WEP or WPA or no encryption or what on your wireless network? [06:23] <anacaona> i need to do some upgrades on a pc with no internet connection and i need to download individual packages [06:23] <thoshbourne> hey guys i just got my linux ubuntu today [06:23] <dfeed> paulproteus: Ah, I see. Thanks. [06:23] <hotxSAUCE> how long does it take to get the ubuntu cd? i ordered two weeks ago [06:23] <KeeganW> thoshbourne, congrats [06:23] <Carlosh> paulproteus > i don't really know! how can i chek that? [06:23] <quiet> hotxSAUCE, 6-8 weeks [06:24] <hotxSAUCE> i ordered 10 of it so i can ebay them off and make some cash..... [06:24] <hotxSAUCE> jk [06:24] <paulproteus> Carlosh: Are you the one setting up your wireless network? [06:24] <paulproteus> Or did someone else? [06:24] <micampe> ionnek, <file size> <file name> [06:24] <anacaona> paulproteus: yeah, i know about synaptic, but I need to download the individual packages on another pc so can't use synaptic [06:24] <thoreauputic> anacaona: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ (but be aware you will have dependency issues to sort out) [06:24] <nevin> hotxSAUCE: it took aboot 6 weeks for them to arive in Toronto [06:24] <quiet> i always download the iso.. but i order the free ones because of the nice packaging... i give them out on the magazine table at my office [06:24] <hotxSAUCE> i'm going to give ubunto to my aunt she is a compputer newbie and all she does is email and aim and web surf [06:24] <paulproteus> anacaona: Read through /etc/apt/sources.list , then. [06:25] <Carlosh> paulproteus there are other people who connects to same channel but not with the lan [06:25] <hotxSAUCE> my aunt always call me and ask me how to remove spyware [06:25] <paulproteus> "but not with the lan" - what does this mean? [06:25] <hotxSAUCE> i told her to stop using windows [06:25] <apokryphos> anacaona: the above link to search; the actual files are stored in archive.ubuntu.com [06:25] <hotxSAUCE> if u order 1000 ubuntu cd will it come? [06:26] <nevin> hotxSAUCE: I ver sincerely doubt it [06:26] <iiiears> hotxSAUCE, install streantuner for her. [06:26] <ionnek> thanks micampe. looks like my realplayer has saved something it shouldn't. Now I'm trying to find the realplayer. [06:26] <anacaona> apokryphos: thanks, i'll check that out. cuz when i look through the urls in sources.list there's these huge compressed files. [06:26] <Carlosh> paulproteus every body has unical IP ant unical connection to the channel. and sorry for my english! :/ [06:26] <apokryphos> I heard a few hundred thousand are shipped every week [06:26] <nightswim> if you actually have a valid reason to need 1000 you might [06:26] <quiet> hotxSAUCE, beware of forcing Linux on family members... it may blow up in your face... if they have a program/game they want to use and can't because you stuck them on some obscure OS [06:26] <paulproteus> Carlosh: "unical" - is that a company that makes a wireless card? [06:27] <Carlosh> paulproteus no! i think i said something wrong [06:27] <paulproteus> Carlosh: Okay. :) [06:27] <hotxSAUCE> oh my aunt doesnt play games [06:27] <hotxSAUCE> she jus surb/email/ and chat on irc [06:27] <hotxSAUCE> surf so i think ubuntu will be ok [06:27] <paulproteus> Carlosh: This might be bad advice for non-technical Engilsh discussions, but the more words you use and the more you tell me, the easier it'll be for me to understand what you're talking about. [06:28] <quiet> hotxSAUCE, make sure you install flash/java and everything for her too... [06:28] <Thewarmachine> XFCE IS THE DEVIL [06:28] <Carlosh> paulproteus sorry but i can't talk now :/ i'll come back later. Sorry for your time! bye [06:28] <apokryphos> it's not too bad [06:28] <Thewarmachine> man it happened again!!!! [06:28] <hotxSAUCE> quiet- oh i never thought of that.. but are they ez to install. ? [06:28] <paulproteus> Carlosh: Okay. Good luck! [06:28] <paulproteus> Thewarmachine: I don't agree. [06:28] <hotxSAUCE> i can install them via synaptic rigth? [06:28] <apokryphos> hotxSAUCE: indeed [06:29] <Thewarmachine> under applications a fu88888 debian menu popped up [06:29] <quiet> hotxSAUCE, can be... checkout wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats [06:29] <paulproteus> hotxSAUCE: Yes, though you'll need Ubuntu-Extras for Java. [06:29] <anacaona> apokryphos: archives gives me bz2 and gz2 files, i need the .deb packages [06:29] <apokryphos> anacaona: they're there [06:29] <apokryphos> anacaona: check under pool [06:29] <paulproteus> anacaona: I urge you to use packages.ubuntu.com to find direct download links. [06:29] <hotxSAUCE> ubuntu work great out of the box i dont know why people are using red hat [06:29] <hotxSAUCE> is red hat easier to use? [06:30] <apokryphos> paulproteus: does it have them? [06:30] <hotxSAUCE> or is it because red hat is market better? [06:30] <Thewarmachine> you guys, i have a question [06:30] <quiet> hotxSAUCE, redhat isn't free... nor does it support MP3s [06:30] <paulproteus> apokryphos: Well, it has buttons to push. [06:30] <anacaona> paulproteus: thanks, i'll try that. [06:30] <nevin> fedora core is free though [06:30] <Thewarmachine> is it bad that I have a debian menu under applications [06:30] <Thewarmachine> ? [06:30] <paulproteus> hotxSAUCE: Companies use RedHat so they can pay the company for support. [06:30] <KeeganW> I am currently using fedora myself. I think both ubuntu and fedora each have their own thing to offer [06:30] <apokryphos> paulproteus: where exactly? [06:30] <ionnek> is there a command that lets me find a certain file? LIke realplay.bin? [06:30] <hotxSAUCE> quite- i guess people think if something is free it cant be as good as red hat [06:30] <paulproteus> Thewarmachine: No. It just means some packages from Universe have extra menu items. [06:30] <nevin> there's also the matter of support [06:31] <ezek> KeeganW explain me what fedora have to offer ? [06:31] <nevin> buying RHEL gets you some nice support options [06:31] <yoz> hi guys.. I'm using irssi as client.. I was used to sqitch between windows with alt + arrow right/left and scroll my nicklist with alt + arrow down/up though in gnome-terminal it doesn't work since nothing happens when I press them. any clue how to bind them actually? [06:31] <apokryphos> paulproteus: nevermind, I found it [06:31] <quiet> hotxSAUCE, well... though it's a little slow.. but no more so than fedora/redhat SuSE is good... and free... and has full multimedia support... [06:31] <hotxSAUCE> so i should buy red hat and stop using ubuntu? [06:31] <apokryphos> anacaona: yeah, p.u.c will be easier [06:31] <paulproteus> ezek: Also, FC4 has nice integration for Xen, the new virtual machine system. [06:31] <Thewarmachine> paulproteus: you sure that thats ok? [06:31] <apokryphos> hotxSAUCE: why? [06:31] <hotxSAUCE> since i'm newbie it is hard for me to get information and so on [06:31] <paulproteus> "new" compared to user-mode Linux. [06:32] <paulproteus> Thewarmachine: Yes! What kind of "not okay" could it be? [06:32] <paulproteus> "Having a Debian menu in XFCE4 has been linked to prostate cancer"? [06:32] <hotxSAUCE> apo - because nevin said red hat have nice support [06:32] <quiet> hotxSAUCE, not necessarily... i would recommend trying a few different distrobutions... and pick what you feel most comfortable with... [06:32] <nevin> hotxSAUCE: no, red hat enterprise linux is meant for companies that want 24/7 telephone support [06:32] <Thewarmachine> lol [06:32] <hotxSAUCE> oh sorry [06:32] <Thewarmachine> well doctor you have misdiagnosed [06:32] <Thewarmachine> it is colon cancer [06:32] <KeeganW> ubuntu is more for the desktop user, fedora is more for developer (it includes eclipse and kdevelop) [06:32] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Thewarmachine about tab [06:33] <quiet> hotxSAUCE, red hat workstation is like $300/year for support from red hat [06:33] <nevin> hotxSAUCE: it starts at like $400 for the basic options, goes up to several 1000 [06:33] <hotxSAUCE> well i installed red hat fc4 into my computer but it doesnt work and gave me the black screen.. [06:33] <hotxSAUCE> so i tried ubuntu and it work out of the box [06:33] <nevin> bad gfx settings methinks [06:33] <nevin> but stick with ubuntu... its .... cooler [06:33] <hotxSAUCE> obviously i'm new to linux i didnt know how to get fc4 to work right [06:33] <DocTomoe> i set up flash according to http://ubuntuguide.org/ ... but there are no fonts in flash. Has anyone here experienced similar problems? [06:33] <paulproteus> hotxSAUCE: Any version of Red Hat that's not called "Enterprise Linux" or "Fedora" is *ancient*. [06:33] <KeeganW> I couldn't get x windows to work on debian, so I ended up trashing that [06:33] <quiet> you can get "Red Hat Professional Workstation" at Best Buy for ~$60-$100 and you get 1/year of updates... and it's actually RHEL WS... without the tec support directly from Red Hat [06:34] <Doonz> hey guys if i already have ubuntu installed on my main sata can i add a ide drive and make that drive a windows os? [06:34] <hotxSAUCE> so what is the new est red hat call ? [06:34] <KeeganW> ubuntu: wireless card didn't work, mousepad scrolling didn't work [06:34] <Doonz> !dual boot [06:34] <ubotu> Doonz: I don't know [06:34] <quiet> hotxSAUCE, Fedora Core 4 or Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 [06:34] <Thewarmachine> brb [06:34] <Doonz> damn you [06:34] <KeeganW> fedora: soundcard didn;t work, wifi didn't work [06:34] <nevin> you can also try using CentOS, which is RedHat Enterprise rebuilt from the freely available sources, which you can get forfree [06:34] <osfameron> wifi worked fine in ubuntu, but the graphical toolset is still fairly pish [06:34] <fredforfaen> !dualboot [06:34] <ubotu> methinks dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo [06:35] <KeeganW> I have some proprietary hardware, because I am using a dell laptop [06:35] <mib> My printer (Brother HL5150) won't do anything. It's connected through USB and I have created it as a printer in System->Administration->Printing... Any ideas? [06:35] <LinuxJones> Doonz, you can but installing Microsoft on the other drive will probably wipe out your Master Boot Record and prevent you from booting into Linux [06:35] <DocTomoe> KeeganW: I *never* had problems with Dell laptops and linux [06:35] <KeeganW> dual booting worked well on both [06:35] <charles> I'm having some problems with my xorg installation, I just upgraded and it wont start [06:35] <fredforfaen> Doonz do this !dualboot [06:35] <Doonz> !dualboot [06:35] <ubotu> [dualboot] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo [06:35] <fredforfaen> :) [06:35] <KeeganW> doctome: but did u use a dell wireless card? [06:35] <DocTomoe> Anyone has an Idea what I can do about my flash problem? [06:35] <LinuxJones> charles, you upgraded from Warty to Hoary ? [06:36] <anacaona> paulproteus: thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for! [06:36] <yoz> anyone an idea with my problem? [06:36] <charles> I get "Fatal server error: Caught signal 11. Server aborting", [06:36] <DocTomoe> KeeganW: You may want to try ndiswrapper [06:36] <charles> LinuxJones, nah, I just did an apt-get upgrade recently [06:36] <LinuxJones> charles, what did you upgrade to ? [06:36] <KeeganW> doctomoe, i did [06:36] <LinuxJones> charles, did you install the nvidia or ati binary drivers ? [06:36] <DocTomoe> KeeganW: and it didn't work? stranke? [06:36] <KeeganW> doctomoe, i think maybe my driver doesn't work [06:36] <DocTomoe> s/strake\?/strange\,/ [06:37] <charles> yeah [06:37] <Doonz> crap so i need to install windows frist then install ubuntu? [06:37] <KeeganW> doctomoe, nope. It said it was an invalid driver. I have a dell 1450, and used the bcmwl5.inf, no success [06:37] <KeeganW> there are sacrifices one must make to use linux, but to screw MS, it is well worth it [06:38] <LinuxJones> charles, you might have to install the linux-restricted-modules for your new kernel [06:38] <charles> okay i'll give that a shot [06:38] <XandriX> i keep jaming at 32 percent [06:39] <LinuxJones> charles, do you know if your running the i386, K7 or 686 kernel ? [06:39] <XandriX> it says segmentation fault everytime i hit 32 percent on the base install [06:39] <charles> i686 [06:39] <mib> Any ideas for my printer problem? [06:40] <LinuxJones> ok try installing linux-restricted-modules-686 and restarting xserver hopefully it will work :) [06:41] <charles> LinuxJones , it wants to install a new kernel as well so I'll reboot to be as fresh as possible [06:41] <LinuxJones> mib, is your printer listed in the network-admin printer setup utility ? [06:41] <XandriX> would anyone have an idea why is it that i always crash at 32 percent of the base install it just says segmentation fault [06:41] <LinuxJones> charles, ok [06:41] <eliphas_> where is locate mysql.sock on the ubuntu system ? [06:42] <LinuxJones> XandriX, a bad cdrom probably [06:42] <mib> LinuxJones: Yep. And using USB1 (I'm not having any other USB printers) [06:42] <XandriX> LinuxJones, dmanit [06:42] <LinuxJones> mib, your sure your printer is turned on ? [06:42] <zege> i've a litte question: when nidswrapper -l >> bcmwl5 driver present says, then the hardware is found, isn't it? [06:43] <mib> LinuxJ: Yup. It prints it's built-in test page. And I've tried two different USB cables so that's not the problem... [06:43] <SER[ChatNick] > how to add ms fonts on my ubuntu? I need clear fonts like windows fonts? does anybody help me? [06:43] <LinuxJones> mib, what applications are you trying to print from Firefox one of them ? [06:44] <XandriX> ooo now thats an original nick [06:44] <highvoltage> hi. is there anything wrong with using ubuntuguide? I've heard that people have said that it shouldn't be used before. [06:44] <osfameron> SER[ChatNick] , there's msttcorefonts which you can download with synaptic/apt-get ? [06:44] <poisonerbg> hi all, is somebody can help me, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57038 [06:44] <mib> LinuxJ: Nope. I've tried OpenOffice and the test page the Printers dialog offers. [06:44] <LinuxJones> highvoltage, there are some issues with it yeah [06:44] <bilge> hello [06:44] <selinium> hi all, anyone know how to read the internal mbox file with thunderbird? [06:44] <bilge> Anyone setup snmpd? [06:44] <highvoltage> LinuxJones: what are the issues, someone on #ubuntu-doc wants to know. [06:44] <SER[ChatNick] > osfameron, I know, but i have a bad results in mozilla [06:44] <SER[ChatNick] > :( [06:44] <eliphas_> i got it run thru myslq.sock [06:45] <XandriX> LinuxJones, would make sense im redownloading the iso and just ook out a fresh empty cd [06:45] <selinium> !ubuntuguide [06:45] <ubotu> somebody said ubuntuguide was a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned [06:45] <selinium> highvoltage: ^^^^^ [06:45] <LinuxJones> mib, can you open up gedit and try printing some random text to see if it prints from there ? [06:46] <bunniears> Hi all [06:46] <bunniears> could anyone help, how can I connect to my ubuntu installeration from windows? [06:46] <LinuxJones> highvoltage, they used to recommend adding the mirilat repos for debian which causes some problems [06:46] <highvoltage> LinuxJones: ah [06:47] <mib> LinuxJ: It didn't. Hardware issue? [06:47] <selinium> LinuxJones highvoltage: Look at the ubotu response further up aswell [06:47] <LinuxJones> mib, I would power off your printer first [06:48] <highvoltage> selinium: yes, i did. thanks. [06:48] <Doonz> Setup is unable to find the "gcc" program on your machine. Please make sure it [06:48] <Doonz> is installed. Do you want to specify the location of this program by hand? [06:48] <mib> LinuxJ: And reboot the printer? [06:48] <Doonz> where would i find the gcc i did a locate but it came up with a bunch of stuff with gcc in it [06:48] <LinuxJones> mib, then issue the command /etc/init.d/cupsys stop , power up the printer then /etc/init.d/cupsys start [06:49] <bilge> bunniears do you want to access your linux filesystem? [06:49] <selinium> highvoltage: I am gald that there will be an official ubuntuguide released with breezy. I for one found UG very useful when I first started. [06:49] <bunniears> no bilge [06:49] <selinium> glad* [06:49] <bunniears> i have ubuntu running [06:49] <bilge> what do you want to access? [06:49] <bunniears> and i want to access it from a windows computer on the network [06:49] <anacron> i think ubuntuguide is good too [06:49] <bunniears> sorry i should have explained my self better [06:50] <bilge> you need to install samba server [06:50] <mib> LinuxJ: Still not working.... [06:50] <bunniears> could you help me do that? [06:50] <Xappe> bunniears: access in what way? [06:50] <selinium> bunniears: install samba on ubu tu [06:50] <bunniears> VNC type access? [06:50] <bilge> open synaptic and search for samba [06:51] <selinium> bunniears: ssh? [06:51] <bilge> question can you access windows from ubuntu? [06:51] <LinuxJones> mib, if you can print a test page from within the gnome-cups-manager your printer is working ok. Is it set as the default printer in that configuration utility ? [06:51] <tofu1> hey [06:51] <bunniears> i want remote desktop connection? [06:52] <bunniears> so i can control ubuntu from windows> [06:52] <yoz> hi guys.. I'm using irssi as client.. I was used to sqitch between windows with alt + arrow right/left and scroll my nicklist with alt + arrow down/up though in gnome-terminal it doesn't work since nothing happens when I press them. any clue how to bind them actually? [06:52] <bilge> sorry bunniears I should ask waht type of access [06:52] <bilge> samaba is for file sytem access [06:52] <tofu1> i just installed ubuntu, it's easy as heck! anyway... i'm having trouble visiting www.maplesglobal.com with firefox [06:52] <mib> LinuxJ: The printing dialog says "printing: job-printing" under satus for the document but nothing happens... But it is the default printer... [06:52] <LinuxJones> bunniears, maybe you should look to tightvnc it has a java applet to control a desktop from within a web browser even :) [06:52] <bilge> put on vnc [06:52] <bunniears> i found vncserver in the package manager [06:52] <bunniears> :) [06:53] <bilge> it's really easy to setup, just installit [06:53] <LinuxJones> mib, I don't know what the heck else to check, it does print the test page correct ? [06:53] <bilge> then get a free vnc client for windows like tightvnc [06:53] <bunniears> im new to ubuntu you see [06:53] <bunniears> lol [06:53] <bilge> i find vnc access quite slow, can you not sit in front of it? [06:54] <Doonz> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running [06:54] <Doonz> kernel??? [06:54] <tofu1> anyone? [06:54] <mib> LinuxJ: It can't print the page from the computer, but it can print it's own built-in page (that would work even without the printer being connected to a computer at all). [06:54] <bunniears> i spend a lot of my time downstairs, i have a clinical problem, which means i dont like to be by my self.. [06:54] <fraggsta> is there a problem with the postfix package? I can't remove it, it's pre-removal script fails mysteriously. [06:54] <tofu1> also.. i tried transferring a file using gftp and it crashes every time i hit the arrow to transfer [06:55] <Doonz> !c header [06:55] <ubotu> Doonz: I don't know, could you explain it? [06:55] <Doonz> i would if i could [06:55] <funkyHat> how strange. ALSA works in e17 [06:55] <bunniears> thanks all :0) [06:55] <bunniears> xx [06:56] <tofu1> hm [06:56] <fraggsta> dpkg: error processing postfix (--remove): [06:56] <fraggsta> subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 [06:56] <darkheart> funkyHat Why is that strange? [06:56] <fraggsta> ok, so HOW do I find out why it failed? [06:56] <keith> <~ now attempting to get printer to work [06:56] <LinuxJones> mib, so the print test page option from inside gnome-cups-admin doesn't work ? [06:56] <funkyHat> darkheart, it doesn't work when i'm running gnome [06:57] <darkheart> funkyHat What soundcard? [06:57] <mib> LinuxJones, nope. As far as I can tell there's no communication with the printer at all. [06:57] <linukso> funkyHat: how did you install e17 in ubuntu, did you compile it from cvs? [06:57] <funkyHat> darkheart, it's an nvidia nforce2, alsa does actually work, X apps can't use it, i think becaue gnome loads esound which blocks it [06:58] <LinuxJones> mib, ok try removing the printer currently listed in there. [06:58] <funkyHat> linukso, no, i followed the ubuntu wiki [06:58] <linukso> funkyHat: okey ... of to take a look... [06:58] <darkheart> funkyHat I'm not sure, but you can try running alsamixer and unmuting muted channels, just in case. [06:58] <poisonerbg> i try to start X, but it take me error message "(S3) Ramdac probe failed", what mean that, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57038 [06:58] <mib> LinuxJones, done. [06:59] <selinium> bunniears: you could probably use ssh for quick command line control of you linux box [06:59] <LinuxJones> mib, restart the cups service and see if it's listed in gnome-cups-admin [06:59] <LinuxJones> mib, sorry gnome-cups-manager [06:59] <funkyHat> darkheart, linukso, i've just installed e17 and switched over to it, i'm not complaining, i'm impressed :) [06:59] <LinuxJones> mib, if not try adding it manually [07:00] <linukso> funkyHat: great! Been waiting for month to try it, but haven't bothered untill now... [07:01] <fraggsta> argh [07:01] <fraggsta> I can't remove postfix [07:01] <bjw> is it possible to boot from a usb hd? [07:01] <darkheart> funkyHat Oh okay =) you gonna stick w/ e17? It's nice, but just hard to customize since it's still pre-release. [07:01] <fraggsta> I can't reconfigure it, because it isn't running! [07:01] <funkyHat> linukso, i'm struggling to find out how to change things like gtk themes :P [07:01] <fraggsta> it's useless and I can't even get rid of it [07:01] <funkyHat> darkheart, that's the problem i'm just discovering, how to customise stuff :P [07:01] <mib> LinuxJones, It's not. I added it manually the last time... It says the printer is Ready. It suggested Postscript as the driver... [07:01] <lamont> fraggsta: can't remove it because it fails to remove? [07:01] <darkheart> funkyHat If you haven't come across it yet, http://get-e.org/ has good info. [07:02] <lamont> fraggsta: how comfortable are you with an editor? [07:02] <fraggsta> lamont: yes, the pre-removal script fails, though I have no idea why [07:02] <LinuxJones> mib, the exact model was listed ? [07:02] <fraggsta> lamont: I'm handy with vim, if that's what you mean.. [07:02] <lamont> it fails because it tries to stop the already-stopped postfix instance, and it doesn't ignore the error [07:02] <dannyu502> Can anyone help me with this problem? Whenever I start Ubuntu, and it starts to load, it gets stuck on "Synchronizing clock to ntp.ubuntulinux.org" [07:02] <lamont> fraggsta: yeah [07:02] <lamont> vi /var/lib/dpkg/info/postfix.prerm [07:02] <thoreauputic> dannyu502: hit ctrl-c [07:02] <gilligan_> dannyu502, it will continue after some time [07:03] <lamont> find the call to init.d/postfix stop, and add || true after it [07:03] <gilligan_> dannyu502, its trying to contact some server but u prolly dont have inet at the time [07:03] <dannyu502> gilligan: haha I left it on for 8 hours while I slept. [07:03] <LinuxJones> mib, your printer is a Brother something ? [07:03] <mib> LinuxJones: Yup. HL-5150D. If it helps the console keeps spitting out error messages, the most obviously useful being: "** (gnome-cups-manager:9765): WARNING **: failed request with status 1030 [07:03] <mib> Selected ppd file = foomatic-ppds/Brother/Brother-HL-5150D-Postscript.ppd.gz [07:03] <mib> # [07:04] <dannyu502> gillian: so what should I do to make it skip it? [07:04] <linukso> funkyHat: sorry to bother you, but I cant find it in the wiki, have you got the link [07:04] <selinium> anyone here use a bluetooth dongle they can recommend? [07:04] <thoreauputic> dannyu502: if you want to disable it do sudo update-rc.d ntpdate -f remove [07:04] <fraggsta> lamont: that lets me reconfigure, but not remove it [07:04] <funkyHat> sorry linukso, it was the forums not the wiki: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46105 [07:04] <keith> hey guys- my synaptic says i have the hp drivers already installed.... yet it doesnt list any hp printers in open office [07:05] <fraggsta> lamont: looks like there's a second line explicitly for removal that does the same check. Fixed now, thanks! [07:05] <linukso> funkyHat: great! thanks! [07:05] <funkyHat> :) [07:05] <dannyu502> thoreauputic: I would do that exept for I cant get to a shell because it doesnt load the rest of linux, it just gets stuck on that [07:05] <lamont> fraggsta: yeah - I think there's a bug in bz about it, but I'll make sure - what version of postfix was it? [07:05] <Davey|Work> OK, I have an issue, I have a Toshiba CD-RW/DVD drive in this box, its being detected as only a DVD drive, how can I solve this? [07:06] <fraggsta> lamont: I'm not sure, and the line's long scrolled off as fetchmail disgorges 278 emails onto the machine.. [07:06] <Davey|Work> I really don't care about DVDs, all I need is the CD-RW part to work [07:06] <thoreauputic> dannyu502: try booting in recovery mode from grub (hit escape, choose recovery) [07:06] <thoreauputic> dannyu502: that should dum[p you at a root prompt [07:06] <dannyu502> thoreauputic: I did. In recovery mode it also trys to the synchronize the clock and it gets stuck [07:07] <thoreauputic> dannyu502: :( [07:07] <thoreauputic> dannyu502: seems a bit weird... [07:07] <dannyu502> thoreauputic: Lol. I know :-(. [07:07] <LinuxJones> mib, the closes model to your printer is a HL5050 try selecting that model and trying again if that doesn't work maybe going to www.linuxprinting.org or searching google. [07:07] <ionnek> hee - thoreauputic doing recovery again :-) [07:08] <dannyu502> thoreauputic: is there any way to make that clock not synchronize? [07:08] <thoreauputic> ionnek: heh - on normal day I don't usually need to :) [07:08] <selinium> hi thoreaputic! [07:08] <ionnek> you really got me started with that! [07:08] <thoreauputic> dannyu502: if you can't get a shell it's tricky [07:08] <mib> LinuxJones, thanks. If that doesn't work I'll assume that it's a hardware problem. I just got the printer back from repair so it's possible that they simply haven't done their job... [07:09] <Davey|Work> nobody? [07:09] <dannyu502> thoreauputic: hmmmmmmmm [07:09] <thoreauputic> dannyu502: I would boot from a live CD and try to chroot , then delete the script or disable it [07:09] <ionnek> now at least i know that I have some massive dodgy logfiles in /var. just don't know how to find out which ones to delete. [07:09] <thoreauputic> dannyu502: or just run the command I gave you before in a chroot [07:09] <LinuxJones> mib, good luck :) [07:09] <selinium> Anyone here use a bluetooth dongle they can recommend? [07:10] <dannyu502> thoreauputic: I have knoppix.... Is there anyway I can boot from that and disable the synchronization using sudo update-rc.d ntpdate -f remove [07:10] <thoreauputic> dannyu502: do you know how to chroot ? [07:10] <bunniears> hi again all :) [07:10] <dannyu502> thoreauputic: no. I am kinda knew to linux [07:10] <deacon> exit [07:10] <thoreauputic> dannyu502: you mount the root partition, then do chroot /mount/point [07:10] <deacon> whoops [07:11] <charles> LinuxJones, worked great thanks [07:11] <iiiears> cheroots - you smoke them right? [07:11] <mib> LinuxJones: Thanks again! [07:11] <thoreauputic> that gives you a shell [07:11] <dannyu502> thoreauputic: ok [07:11] <LinuxJones> charles, sweet :) [07:11] <dannyu502> ok [07:11] <bunniears> can someone suggest a webserver? [07:11] <funkyHat> is there a notification area module for e17? [07:11] <LinuxJones> mib, ;) [07:11] <thoreauputic> dannyu502: from there you can run commands [07:12] <popey> \o/ 40 ubuntu cds arrived in the post today \o/ [07:12] <popey> bunniears: apache? [07:12] <bunniears> bilge, VNC works a treat :) [07:12] <thoreauputic> dannyu502: ctrl-d to escape the chroot IIRC [07:12] <bunniears> thanks popey [07:12] <dannyu502> thoreauputic: ok. But im still sort of confused as to how i would go about getting to the chroot. [07:12] <popey> np [07:12] <bunniears> could you tell me how to install it? [07:12] <popey> bunniears: it's the "standard" webserver of choice on linux [07:12] <bunniears> is it apt-get ? [07:12] <popey> sudo apt-get install apache2 [07:12] <thoreauputic> dannyu502: cd to the mount point [07:12] <bunniears> thanks :) [07:12] <popey> bunniears: apache or apache2 [07:13] <c0rrupt_> dos [07:13] <popey> bunniears: I'd go for 2 [07:13] <bunniears> thanks :) [07:13] <dannyu502> throeauputic: ok. I will try. I will be back if it doesn't work. Thanks alot for your help! [07:13] <bunniears> installing now.. [07:13] <bunniears> done :) [07:14] <thoreauputic> dannyu502: if you aren't too sure, google for "chroot linux rescue" or something like that [07:14] <bunniears> popey: could you tell me how to install php please? [07:16] <shammy> Is there a command that will activate and deactivate a connection like you would do in the networking app? [07:16] <fraggsta> great, now the IMAP server is denying access to me while I'm sitting on the same machine [07:16] <apokryphos> bunniears: install the php4 package [07:16] <mougide> loiiioioiojkkjlo [07:16] <apokryphos> shammy: ifup/ifdown [07:17] <apokryphos> shammy: check the man pages for those [07:17] <shammy> apokryphos, thank you [07:17] <mougide> pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffpppppppppppppppppppppppp [07:17] <bunniears> thanks apokryphos [07:17] <sartas> hey: what command to use if to remove a dir and everything in it? [07:17] <fraggsta> is there anything I need to do having installed courier-imap-ssl to let myself connect to the server running on localhost? [07:17] <Snopy> what are the minimum system requirements for ubuntu? [07:17] <mougide> ubuntu is big shit !!!!! [07:18] <Jester> why [07:18] <apokryphos> mougide: what are you doing? [07:18] <sartas> hey: what command to use if to remove a dir and everything in it? [07:18] <Jester> ubuntu is teh g00d [07:18] <shammy> sartas: rm [07:18] <apokryphos> sartas: see man rm [07:19] <bedi> rm -r for subdiretories [07:19] <Poromies> Snopy: something like 256mb ram, 500mhz, 5gb hd space should run things smooth enough for everyday use I think [07:19] <sartas> ok [07:19] <sartas> thanks [07:19] <carambol> sartas, sudo rm -rf dir [07:19] <funkyHat> right, i need somebody to write me a desktop environment with the functionality of gnome, the speed and looks of e17, and that is as easy to customise as KDE [07:19] <Snopy> Poromies: thanx [07:19] <Jester> when I see friendly answers like that it really doesn't feel like a debian based distro [07:19] <funkyHat> who's going to do it? [07:19] <EgilOfBorg> hello... I have an old laptop that wont read DVD's. I have downloaded the DVD image, and I have the LIVE CD image, but not the INSTALL CD image. I would prefer not to download the INSTALL CD image as well. Is it possible to install from the LIVE CD image, or is it possible to generate a INSTALL CD image from the DVD image? [07:20] <apokryphos> funkyHat: it already exists: kde [07:20] <bedi> Snopy: server mode installs the basic system [07:20] <bunniears> apokryphos: installed php, went to http://localhost/testphp.php -> wants me to download the file ? [07:20] <funkyHat> apokryphos, i want it to use gtk, not qt [07:20] <funkyHat> ; [07:20] <funkyHat> ) [07:20] <apokryphos> funkyHat: why? [07:20] <funkyHat> cos i'm being awkward :P [07:20] <Snopy> bedi: if i want irc. msn, office and mp3 support? [07:20] <apokryphos> bunniears: have you installed apache? [07:20] <funkyHat> kde doesn't look as good as e17 anyway :P [07:21] <apokryphos> funkyHat: True. It looks better. [07:21] <bunniears> apokryphos: yeah i installed apache2 [07:21] <sartas> is Thunderbird able to handle gmail accounts in any way? [07:21] <apokryphos> bunniears: restart it after installing php [07:21] <bedi> Snopy: to use whit X, you must to instal xserver-xorg and gnome-core :) [07:21] <apokryphos> bunniears: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart [07:21] <bunniears> apokryphos: how do i do that :$ ? [07:21] <bunniears> apokryphos, thanks ;OP [07:21] <bunniears> :P * [07:22] <Snopy> X what? hehe.. im a linux newb [07:22] <apokryphos> sartas: of course, why not? GMail can use POP [07:22] <sartas> what's the command to start a url in firefox? [07:22] <sartas> ok, thanks apo ^^ [07:22] <bedi> Snopy: and a msn client en irc client, a good text-mode irc client is issi(the best) :) [07:22] <Malice> use bitlbee + irssi :p [07:22] <sartas> i need to make a bookmark/link to be in the program bar at the top of the screen.. howto? [07:23] <XandriX> LinuxJones, ok well time to test the abd cd theory [07:23] <Snopy> bedi: so there is nothing pre-installed? [07:23] <LinuxJones> XandriX, :) [07:23] <bunniears> apokryphos: done that, still trying to make me download it.. it says this at the bottom: Apache/2.0.53 (Ubuntu) PHP/4.3.10-10ubuntu4 Server at localhost Port 80 [07:23] <XandriX> LinuxJones, xfs or jfs ? [07:23] <bedi> Snopy: its all installed when you have a ubuntu cd :) [07:23] <sartas> i need to make a bookmark/link to be in the program bar at the top of the screen.. howto? [07:23] <bedi> Snopy: sorry my bad english =) [07:23] <XandriX> LinuxJones, i love xfs [07:23] <EgilOfBorg> hello... I have an old laptop that wont read DVD's. I have downloaded the DVD image, and I have the LIVE CD image, but not the INSTALL CD image. I would prefer not to download the INSTALL CD image as well. Is it possible to install from the LIVE CD image, or is it possible to generate a INSTALL CD image from the DVD image? [07:23] <apokryphos> bunniears: hm, very weird. [07:24] <LinuxJones> XandriX, I use ext3 [07:24] <bunniears> apokryphos: indeed XD.. i have to go for my tea now xx be back in a bit :) [07:24] <XandriX> LinuxJones, oww comon atleast use reiser its soo much better lol [07:24] <apokryphos> bunniears: it might be worth rebooting your comp just in case. It shouldn't be like this... should work straight away [07:24] <LinuxJones> XandriX, I like reliability over speed :) [07:25] <XandriX> LinuxJones, reiser is way reliable i use it on all my slack servers [07:25] <XandriX> LinuxJones, xfs and jfs are nice to [07:25] <sartas> wouldnt it be really neat to place a rss field in the panel on the top of the screen in gnome? is this possible? [07:25] <Malice> Reiser4 is so broken for me [07:25] <XandriX> xfs it is [07:25] <ALoHa> Hello, when i try to install the game 'Trackballs' i get this error (after doing ./configure) 'configure: error: zlib should be included in most unix distributions, this is a strange error' How come i get this error [07:25] <sartas> *rss feed [07:25] <XandriX> Malice, thats a shame [07:25] <Malice> xandrix => on em64t [07:25] <Malice> horrible data corruption [07:25] <XandriX> Malice, o [07:25] <sartas> hey hey, is this possible to make? [07:26] <XandriX> what do you use then ? [07:26] <Malice> reiser 3 [07:26] <XandriX> ok [07:26] <Malice> ALoHa, did you try reinstalling zlib yet [07:26] <ALoHa> yes [07:26] <Malice> what version are you using [07:27] <Malice> :p [07:27] <ALoHa> omg [07:28] <XandriX> i meen ive ran ubunut in vmware for a while but now i thought its finaly time to test it on a real pc [07:28] <Malice> meh, I don't use ubuntu [07:28] <Malice> I'm a gentoo freak [07:28] <Malice> lol [07:28] <XandriX> my i ask wth ur doing here then ? [07:28] <bedi> gento(wait building)oo [07:28] <Malice> helping aloha with her problem [07:28] <Malice> since her zlib is broken :p [07:28] <XandriX> Malice, fair enough [07:29] <Malice> also, I don't build anything bedi :p [07:29] <Malice> I have a dedicated binhost backup machine [07:29] <XandriX> ok [07:29] <Malice> it's all automated *shrug* [07:29] <XandriX> i still dislike gentoo but atleast ur not running an rpm based distro eeeek [07:30] <Jester> its a shame gentoo doesn't support binary package except with binhosts, its got the best package manager of linux [07:30] <muffin_> hi [07:30] <bedi> binhosts ? [07:30] <Malice> well I have a dedicated cross-platform cross-compiling binhost (x86 & x86_64) set up now [07:30] <Malice> which also does my web proxying [07:30] <Malice> and caches my portage tree [07:30] <bedi> i never heard about it 0_o [07:30] <Malice> see its all quite nice [07:30] <Jester> Malice, must be a pain to set up (distcc cross-compiler) [07:30] <muffin_> do i have to mount my slave hd in the root console, every time i boot up? [07:31] <dannyu502> Could anyone here help me set up wireless internet on Ubuntu? I was told to use ndiswrapper, but when i typed in apt-get install ndiswrapper, it as not found. [07:31] <Malice> Jester it was :p [07:31] <c0rrupt_> how do i set my time clock to 12 hour instead of 24 [07:31] <funkyHat> :(. e17 is very nice, but too much hassle to change anything *back to gnome* [07:31] <hotxSAUCE> why would u want a computer to be a web proxy... why not use a router.. it is cheaper in electric usage [07:31] <Malice> hotxSAUCE: I have a router, it's just very cheap [07:31] <c0rrupt_> how do i set my time clock to 12 hour instead of 24 [07:31] <hotxSAUCE> cheap in what sense? [07:31] <Jester> Malice, heh I'm also a gentoo freak ;) but for my server only, ubuntu is the best of the bests for a desktop [07:31] <bedi> c0rrupt_: gnome ? [07:31] <c0rrupt_> kubuntu [07:31] <c0rrupt_> kde [07:31] <leop> anyone here on a Mac get Firewire working in Ubuntu? [07:32] <Malice> Jester: maybe if you install portage on it :p [07:32] <shammy> Is there any message in a log somewhere created when I lose a wireless connection? [07:32] <dannyu502> Could anyone here help me set up wireless internet on Ubuntu? I was told to use ndiswrapper, but when i typed in apt-get install ndiswrapper, it as not found. [07:32] <muffin_> how do i mount hds in gnome outside the root console? [07:32] <Malice> hotxSAUCE: it doesn't even have a http interface [07:32] <c0rrupt_> bedi, kde [07:32] <carambol> corruptricght click the clock > preferences [07:32] <iiiears> ubotu gmail is Howtos for email clients (Evolution, Thunderbird, Apple Mail etc.) [07:32] <ubotu> iiiears: okay [07:32] <bedi> c0rrupt_: right click on click gives options on kde ? [07:32] <hotxSAUCE> why dont u jus get a new router ...... such as linksys or what ever when it goes on sale it is usually 20 or so [07:32] <bedi> afz, hahaha [07:32] <bedi> c0rrupt_: right click on clock gives options on kde ? [07:32] <carambol> corrupt, this is for gnome [07:32] <c0rrupt_> yea [07:33] <c0rrupt_> well [07:33] <dannyu502> Could anyone here help me set up wireless internet on Ubuntu? I was told to use ndiswrapper, but when i typed in apt-get install ndiswrapper, it as not found. [07:33] <hotxSAUCE> it consume so little electric [07:33] <Malice> hotxSAUCE: because I like doing stuff the hard way either, and electricity doesn't really cost anything anyway [07:33] <c0rrupt_> ive been through the options [07:33] <c0rrupt_> meh [07:33] <hotxSAUCE> malice electric cost a lot compare to a router [07:33] <bedi> gnome have that option =D [07:33] <dannyu502> Could anyone here help me set up wireless internet on Ubuntu? I was told to use ndiswrapper, but when i typed in apt-get install ndiswrapper, it was not found. [07:33] <muffin_> how do i mount hds in gnome outside the root console???? [07:33] <Malice> hotxSAUCE: oh and I suppose you know what electricity costs where I live huh :p [07:34] <ssdd65> i downloaded a .deb but i am not sure how to install it what is the command? [07:34] <magnon> Does anyone know how never Powerbooks do in Breezy? [07:34] <magnon> newer* [07:34] <hotxSAUCE> yes i know how much it cost [07:34] <hopeng> dbkg -i filename.deb [07:34] <Kyral> ssdd65, sudo dpkg -i <package> [07:34] <Malice> lol [07:34] <Malice> kid [07:34] <ssdd65> thanks [07:34] <Malice> shut up [07:34] <LinuxJones> dannyu502, >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper [07:34] <iiiears> Few routers can be a streaming webserver also. - gotta add the coolness factor. - lol [07:34] <booger> can any body help with some ffmpeg commands [07:35] <dannyu502> linuxjo0mnes: thanks!!!! finally someone helped me [07:35] <Malice> lol, there's even webcams with integrated webservers if you want to go crazy [07:35] <LinuxJones> dannyu502, there is lots of great help on the wiki page :) [07:35] <bedi> work X fine on breezy ? [07:35] <Kyral> bedi, HELL NO :P [07:35] <bedi> me X on breezy is broken, =/ [07:36] <bedi> hum [07:36] <Kyral> X == Very Broken [07:36] <hopeng> !tell hopeng about breezy [07:36] <bedi> i have a partition whit breezy, but X will not work ahaha [07:36] <hotxSAUCE> i'm a poor guy so i like to do what is economical.... but if i was rich and crazy i would use a pc to be my web proxy also [07:36] <popey> i have a laptop running breezy just fine [07:37] <Joose^> how i can install apache+php+mysql on ubuntu? [07:37] <guillem> hello, somebody knows wich file contains the kernel boot options? [07:37] <Kyral> bedi, until you fix it manually, it will be broke [07:37] <Malice> it's my server for everything, I host an ftp and crap on there too [07:37] <Kyral> someone should make a HOWTO on how to fix X in Breezy :P [07:37] <iiiears> bedi - it isn't too unusual. breezy badger isn't ready for release. (didn't work for me either.) [07:37] <Malice> the QoS entries to give priority to portage did help alot though, or it'd be crazy slow sometimes [07:37] <funkyHat> if i kill esd, then i can use ALSA in most of my apps, but gnome won't use it [07:37] <Joose^> how i can install apache+php+mysql on ubuntu? [07:37] <jake_> hello [07:38] <funkyHat> ok, it's working now [07:38] <funkyHat> *odd* [07:38] <bedi> i will wait for the stable release, hoary is so coll =) [07:38] <XandriX> Seveas, ! [07:38] <iiiears> kyral - erm how did you fix the fonts problem? [07:38] <Kyral> iiiears, I didn't [07:38] <booger> http://ubuntuguide.org/#installapachehttpserver [07:38] <Kyral> I said someone should [07:38] <spola> when will breezy be done? [07:38] <Kyral> so I can upgrade :D [07:38] <Joose^> thnx [07:38] <bedi> september ? [07:38] <Kyral> spola, release is slated for October [07:38] <hotxSAUCE> what is breezy ? [07:39] <jake_> dialup on Ubuntu [07:39] <spola> thx [07:39] <Jester> Malice, (late answer) do not underestimate the power of apt :P [07:39] <bedi> the next release of ubuntu [07:39] <erik> is it normal that breezy xbase-clients has no files in it? [07:39] <Mez> can anyone help me setup my wireless card [07:39] <iiiears> the next ubuntu release "Breezy Badger" [07:39] <shammy> Are there hotkeys to switching work spaces? [07:39] <hotxSAUCE> what is breezy ? [07:39] <Jester> hotxSAUCE, the unstable release of ubuntu [07:39] <Seveas> !breezy [07:39] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/ [07:39] <hopeng> !tell hotxSAUCE about breezy [07:39] <funkyHat> grr! [07:39] <XandriX> LinuxJones, it seg faulted at ncurses-base now [07:39] <Seveas> shammy, alt-shift-left iirc, you can set them yourself too [07:39] <leop> ppl always paste ubuntuguide.org links here, but the site has been down for about a week! [07:39] <joerg> only shit on this chat, by. [07:40] <Seveas> leop, ubuntuguide sucks :) [07:40] <funkyHat> it's not working, system sounds still don't work, and i get buzzing whenever there's no sounds playing [07:40] <XandriX> ok lets try it again [07:40] <mushroom_linux_c> I am update to breezy [07:41] <Seveas> mushroom_linux_c, read the topic, please do not do that yet [07:41] <bedi> mushroom_linux_c: and your X is broken right ? [07:41] <mushroom_linux_c> damn it!the mirror in us is so slow!!! [07:41] <shazaum_> bedi: biba [07:41] <drcode> hi all [07:41] <hotxSAUCE> so breezy is jus the new skin for ubuntu? [07:41] <erik> so the broken xbase-clients is a known issue? [07:41] <drcode> any one mybe use arkia backup? [07:41] <IrishPride> can someone help me? [07:41] <Seveas> hotxSAUCE, no, it's the new version of Ubuntu [07:41] <drcode> I have some strange problem [07:41] <bedi> shazaum_: lol [07:41] <mushroom_linux_c> what? [07:41] <c0rrupt_> hey Seveas, i formated last night. everything seems to be working [07:42] <c0rrupt_> how can i avoid what i did [07:42] <Kyral> someone bold and underline the "Please don't use Breezy" in the topic [07:42] <hotxSAUCE> the new version of ubuntu is not hedge hog?? [07:42] <bedi> shammy: whats up ? [07:42] <shazaum_> bedi: all here biba! [07:42] <booger> ffmpeg commands to convert avi to a vcd ?? [07:42] <Seveas> hotxSAUCE, the current version is "Hoary Hedgehog" [07:42] <Kyral> hotxSAUCE, current version is Hoary Hedgehog(5.04) [07:42] <amblin> booger: take a look at tovid [07:42] <Kyral> next will be Breezy Badger (5.10) [07:42] <mushroom_linux_c> breezy is not stable [07:42] <amblin> booger: http://tovid.sourceforge.net/ [07:43] <hotxSAUCE> sigh i wish ubuntu have a better name [07:43] <bedi> i thing breezy is very broken for now [07:43] <mushroom_linux_c> like? [07:43] <booger> amblin: I can't seem to insall it. still a learning noob. [07:43] <bllx> its a great name [07:43] <mushroom_linux_c> i like this name! [07:43] <erik> why is ubuntu so broken [07:43] <Seveas> hotxSAUCE, subscruibe to the sounder list and propose a name :) [07:43] <hotxSAUCE> ubuntu should name itself box xp [07:43] <Seveas> erik, Ubuntu isn't broken... [07:43] <hotxSAUCE> lol [07:43] <erik> yes it is [07:43] <Kyral> erik, it isn't broken [07:43] <Seveas> hotxSAUCE, eeeek [07:43] <erik> xbase-clients has no packages [07:43] <Kyral> Breezy is [07:43] <erik> my system is unusable [07:44] <mushroom_linux_c> LOL Yey [07:44] <Seveas> erik, do not use breezy yet [07:44] <erik> what is this broken crap [07:44] <Kyral> erik, that is BREEZY [07:44] <mushroom_linux_c> Breezy!??? [07:44] <gomer> I need help getting sound out of Ubuntu on my thinkpad. Any takers? [07:44] <erik> BREEZY doesn't work [07:44] <Seveas> that's why you should not use it... [07:44] <Kyral> you are using the unstable version [07:44] <topyli> bkl [07:44] <bedi> erik: ubuntu is not broken [07:44] <hotxSAUCE> so i shouldnt be using breezy right? [07:44] <booger> I got ffmpeg to convert the file but it won't fit of a cd [07:44] <Kyral> RIGHT! [07:44] <bedi> breezy is broken, lol [07:44] <Seveas> hotxSAUCE, correct [07:44] <erik> yeah but my xbase-clients won't work [07:44] <mushroom_linux_c> reinstall the ALSAL [07:44] <Kyral> Are you getting a headache? [07:44] <mushroom_linux_c> yeah~ [07:44] <topyli> hotxSAUCE: well, it is a bit broken. i upgraded one box today :) [07:44] <c0rrupt_> Seveas, i formated b/c of my sources.list issue. how can i avoid going through the same headache again [07:44] <Kyral> erik: Grab a Hoary install CD and install it from there [07:44] <IrishPride> can someone help me?? [07:44] <mushroom_linux_c> ache all over my body.LOLO [07:45] <mushroom_linux_c> ache all over my body.LOL [07:45] <bunniears> back :) [07:45] <mushroom_linux_c> back? [07:45] <erik> I tried hoary but breezy is more up to date [07:45] <Seveas> c0rrupt_, by not using random repositories [07:45] <evanm> my whole system is broken [07:45] <Seveas> stick to breezy repositories [07:45] <iiiears> wb bunniears [07:45] <Seveas> s/breezy/hoary/ [07:45] <Kyral> erik: There is a REASON IT SAYS NOT TO! [07:45] <bunniears> thanks :) [07:45] <IrishPride> can anyone help? pleaasseee [07:45] <Mez> hey, anyone able to help me setup my wireless card [07:45] <bunniears> iiiears, i like the name :) [07:45] <c0rrupt_> Seveas, are the ones that come with it all safe to use [07:45] <erik> what should i use if i want up to date packages then [07:45] <Seveas> !repos [07:45] <ubotu> hmm... repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [07:45] <c0rrupt_> k [07:45] <evanm> I can't get openoffice to emerge on my amd64 [07:45] <erik> why can't ubuntu have some quality control in its latest release [07:45] <Seveas> erik, hoary and maybe backports [07:45] <Kyral> emerge [07:46] <iiiears> I hear ya' bunniears. - silly grin [07:46] <booger> IrishPride: with what? [07:46] <Seveas> evanm, this is not gentoo, we don't emerge... [07:46] <Kyral> erik its in development [07:46] <bunniears> iiiears, LOL :P [07:46] <evanm> I aliased it [07:46] <IrishPride> with ubuntu live cd [07:46] <ALoHa> Hello, when i try to install the game 'Trackballs' i get this error (after doing ./configure) 'configure: error: zlib should be included in most unix distributions, this is a strange error' How come i get this error [07:46] <evanm> it's exactly the same thing [07:46] <jip> anyone here using radeon with fglrx-driver? [07:46] <bunniears> apokryphos: did you say i had to restart? [07:46] <Seveas> ALoHa, you need to install zlib-dev [07:47] <apokryphos> bunniears: I said it could be an option, but you shouldn't have to in theory, no [07:47] <Kyral> ALoHa, sudo apt-get install trackballs [07:47] <erik> erik@raptors:~$ dpkg -L xbase-clients [07:47] <erik> /. [07:47] <erik> /usr [07:47] <erik> /usr/share [07:47] <erik> /usr/share/doc [07:47] <ALoHa> euhm ok [07:47] <erik> /usr/share/doc/xbase-clients [07:47] <erik> /usr/share/doc/xbase-clients/copyright [07:47] <bunniears> apokryphos: hmmmm [07:47] <Seveas> erik, read the topic [07:47] <Seveas> do NOT paste in here [07:47] <Kyral> use Hoary [07:47] <mushroom_linux_c> body-ache [07:47] <mushroom_linux_c> make me body-ache [07:48] <Kyral> breezy is the unstable/development version. It will be released in 3 months. Its not supposed to work yet! Use Hoary! [07:48] <mushroom_linux_c> @_@ [07:48] <Seveas> ALoHa, the trackballs game is in the repositories, do not compile it yourself [07:48] <mushroom_linux_c> just [07:48] <dannyu502> If the path to my WLAN driver in windows is C:\Linksys Driver\WUSB54G_20040903\Drivers\WUSB54Gv2 , then what would I type in ndiswrapper. nidiswrapper -i /????/????/????.inf [07:48] <mushroom_linux_c> use you apt-get install [07:48] <Seveas> Kyral, it's released in less than 2 months [07:48] <Kyral> Seveas, I have a headache now, sorry :P [07:48] <Kyral> I got angry :P [07:48] <mushroom_linux_c> ..... [07:48] <ALoHa> ok [07:48] <mushroom_linux_c> @_@ [07:48] <bedi> breezy is not ready to uso now...wait 2 months plz =) hehe [07:48] <Kyral> Kyral != patient [07:48] <Seveas> dannyu502, first mount your windows partition, than cd to the correct folder and paste the contents of it on a pastebin [07:49] <muffin_> how do i mount hds in gnome outside the root console???? [07:49] <Seveas> muffin_, with sudo [07:49] <mushroom_linux_c> I am upgrade now [07:49] <muffin_> thx [07:49] <Seveas> in a normal console [07:49] <yoz> guys..l how can I set my user image in gnome? [07:49] <muffin_> :p [07:49] <Seveas> mushroom_linux_c, X is still broken, so beware [07:49] <dannyu502> Seveas: I am new to linux, and I have no idea how to do that. [07:49] <mushroom_linux_c> okey~ thankyou [07:50] <apokryphos> Seveas: do you have any idea how often packages.u.c is updated? I've had a package for around 3 days which is different to the one it talks about there [07:50] <yoz> I'm looking in the login screen setup.. [07:50] <Seveas> apokryphos, ask the maintainer of that page, his e-mail address is on the site [07:50] <apokryphos> ok [07:50] <yoz> anyone an idea? [07:50] <Seveas> dannyu502, part one: [07:51] <Seveas> dannyu502: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically [07:51] <yoz> Seveas, any clue with my issue? [07:51] <bunniears> apokryphos: would you know why all the files in /var/www/ are readonly? [07:51] <Seveas> yoz, sudo gdmsetup [07:51] <dannyu502> Seveas: ok [07:51] <selinium> ANyone here used USB headphones? [07:51] <mushroom_linux_c> bash script? [07:51] <yoz> Seveas, lemme try [07:51] <Seveas> yoz, ah wait, I see your issue now [07:51] <apokryphos> bunniears: if they are just chmod www [07:51] <selinium> Or has anyone here used a USB soundcard? [07:51] <Seveas> yoz, gdmphotosetup [07:51] <bunniears> apokryphos: how do i do that :$ - im new [07:51] <carambol> how enable micro? [07:51] <yoz> Seveas, was wondering since I ran that allready.. [07:52] <Seveas> bunniears, sudo chown -R 1000:1000 /var/www [07:52] <Kyral> Should we start an #ubuntunewbie? [07:52] <Seveas> 'sup? [07:52] <yoz> thanks that's it! [07:52] <Seveas> Kyral, neh [07:52] <Seveas> THIS is the channel for newbies :) [07:52] <apokryphos> bunniears: right-click on the folder and change permissions [07:52] <Kyral> It gets chaotic in here sometimes [07:52] <bunniears> apokryphos: thanks :) [07:52] <Kyral> how many convos do we have going? [07:52] <bunniears> apokryphos: i did that other method... [07:52] <Seveas> apokryphos, that's not possible if he's not the owner... [07:53] <carambol> how i enable my micro? [07:53] <hotxSAUCE> Please dont call me newbies it hurts my feelings [07:53] <mushroom_linux_c> I wanna learn micro inlinux,someone support me any url?or suggestion? [07:53] <Seveas> hotxSAUCE, it was meant in general :) [07:53] <Seveas> the advanced questions are just as welcome [07:53] <dannyu502> Seveas: what should I save the file as? [07:53] <Kyral> hotxSAUCE, I am sorry [07:53] <Kyral> I got overwhelmed :p [07:53] <hotxSAUCE> *wipe tears * [07:53] <apokryphos> Seveas: I know [07:53] <Kyral> like I said sometimes Kyral != patient [07:53] <bunniears> ok, im going to restart. see if it lets me access that file. [07:54] <Kyral> You don't need to restart.... [07:54] <mushroom_linux_c> seeeeee you [07:54] <bunniears> ? [07:54] <c0rrupt_> reboot -f [07:54] <rosa> can install edubuntu and ubuntu at the same time to the grub [07:54] <Kyral> edubuntu? [07:54] <apokryphos> bunniears: you could gksudo with nautilus or just chmod 666 /var/www [07:54] <dannyu502> Seveas: what should I save the file as? [07:54] <bunniears> i mean. http://localhost/testphp.php -> wont let me view it makes me download it [07:54] <rosa> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download [07:55] <hotxSAUCE> jus get the ubuntu cd for free [07:55] <rosa> on the right hand side [07:55] <hotxSAUCE> dont bother with d/l and burn [07:55] <apokryphos> bunniears: chmod 666 -R /var/www is better -- recursive [07:55] <Kyral> hotxSAUCE, I'd rather DL and burn [07:55] <Seveas> bunniears, install libapache2-mod-php4 [07:55] <bunniears> apokryphos: thanks ill do that [07:55] <Kyral> then again, I ahve like 50 blank DVDs [07:55] <mushroom_linux_c> LAMP? [07:56] <bunniears> Seveas: thanks :) [07:56] <Seveas> dannyu502, save it as winmac_fstab and run sudo bash winmac_fstab [07:56] <Kyral> !lart ubotu [07:56] <mushroom_linux_c> !lart ubotu [07:56] <Kyral> GAH! The BFG9000!! [07:56] <topyli> Seveas: this is better than #ubuntu-newbies could be: this is also #friends-of-newbies so that newbies actually can get help :-) [07:56] <Kyral> that was mean! [07:56] <Seveas> topyli, we actually prefer not to use the word newbie [07:57] <rosa> anybody can tell me if i can add edubuntu or kubuntu to the grub without erasing my running ubuntu [07:57] <Mez> hmm... can anyone help me with setting up my wireless card [07:57] <bunniears> Seveas: libapache2-mod-php4 is already the newest version. [07:57] <topyli> Seveas: #ubuntu says it all anyway [07:57] <Seveas> bunniears, ls -al /etc/apache2/mods-enabled [07:57] <Kyral> Seveas, I'm gonna be in #ubuntu-newbies for a while. I prefer to help in small sessions [07:57] <Seveas> does that list php4? [07:57] <bedi> rosa: when you HD is partitioned thats easy to make [07:58] <VooDoo> good evening [07:58] <hopeng> good evening [07:58] <gilligan_> is it safe to upgrade from debian sid -> hoary ? [07:58] <knowledge> Good afternoon [07:58] <apokryphos> gilligan_: not really, but possible [07:58] <bunniears> Seveas: done that [07:58] <phayded> i need help, i installed apache, php4, and mysql. My php install didnt have the flag --with-mysql[DIR] . How do i go back and add the config to make php and mysql work threw apache? [07:59] <Seveas> does that list php4? <-- bunniears [07:59] <bunniears> Seveas: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 2005-08-16 18:18 php4.conf -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/php4.conf [07:59] <bunniears> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 2005-08-16 18:18 php4.load -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/php4.load [07:59] <knowledge> Ok, I reinstalled ubuntu for the millionth time....and now I can't seem to browse windows network...anyone know what can be done? [07:59] <Seveas> hmm [07:59] <topyli> gilligan_: no, breezy could work [07:59] <dannyu502> seveas: yeah but I am on windows right now, so if i save it as winmac_fstab then i wont b able to access it from linux because my windows partition will not be mounted yet. and i cant go online to get the script because thats the whole point of me doing this, to set up my WLAN on ubuntu. [07:59] <Mez> how do i install the ndis wrapper under linux [07:59] <Seveas> did you restart apache after installing the mod? [08:00] <topyli> gilligan_: but then, that would be like running experimental [08:00] <Seveas> meze HowtoSetupNdiswrapper @ eiki [08:00] <Seveas> Mez* [08:00] <Mez> ty. [08:01] <hopeng> is ubuntu supports energy saving? like automaticly turn off hardisk if not used etc. [08:01] <dannyu502> seveas: yeah but I am on windows right now, so if i save it as winmac_fstab then i wont b able to access it from linux because my windows partition will not be mounted yet. and i cant go online to get the script because thats the whole point of me doing this, to set up my WLAN on ubuntu. So how shouldn i go about saving this? [08:01] <topyli> hopeng: what kind of machine is that? [08:02] <Seveas> dannyu502, hehe, any option to use a usb stick? [08:02] <dannyu502> ahhahaha [08:02] <hopeng> topyli, its workstation machine for everyday use, my ubuntu is turns off my monitor if not used for a while. but i dont know about the hardisks [08:02] <Seveas> shit [08:03] <Seveas> wrong channel :S [08:03] <barosl> ... [08:03] <knowledge> lol [08:03] <Blue-Omega> lol [08:03] <mushroom_linux_c> ... [08:03] <knowledge> I was like what the? [08:03] <nevin> good job [08:03] <hetzz_> :| [08:03] <barosl> will you ban everyone? :P [08:03] <topyli> hopeng: the disks won't turn off whenever you use a journaling filesystem. they are accessed every few seconds for the journaling [08:03] <mushroom_linux_c> bad word [08:03] <cut0ff_> hopeng check out your xorg config file [08:03] <Seveas> sorry sorry sorry.... [08:03] <dannyu502> seveas: ahhaha what should I try to do now? [08:03] <topyli> hopeng: if you want that, you need to remove the journaling [08:03] <knowledge> anyone know what's up with my problem? [08:03] <phayded> how do i add mysql after already installed php4. [08:03] <hopeng> topyli, how ? [08:04] <dannyu502> seveas: Lol, and dont tell me to manually right down the whole script then type it back in in ubuntu. [08:04] <cut0ff_> hopeng sorry I'm wrong [08:04] <Seveas> dannyu502, so no usb stick ? [08:04] <dannyu502> nope [08:04] <yoz> Seveas, thanks alot.. fixed the photo thingie. there is another issue here on my laptop.. When I boot it just freezes after logging in.. after I enter username password nothing happens.. after I kill the ssh-agent it finally boots into gnome. any cue? [08:04] <hopeng> thx cut0ff_ [08:04] <topyli> hopeng: ubuntu uses the journaling ext3 by default. you can switch to non-journaling ext2 without reformatting [08:04] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone here gotten the liveCD (Hoary) to work with an IBM T43? [08:04] <booger> phayded: try synaptic search for mysql [08:04] <Seveas> yoz, hmm... [08:04] <topyli> hopeng: i'll find the magic command :) [08:04] <yoz> Seveas, I reinstalled it twice.. [08:05] <Seveas> if you can live without it, remove ssh-agend from /etc/gdm/XSession (oslt) [08:05] <hopeng> topyli, does journaling thingy have side effects on damaging the hardisk due to always on ? [08:05] <bl0w3r> bedi: whats happen here? [08:05] <Stompey00> que. I bought a diamond supra express modem from a friend to use in hoary. Will i need a driver for it to work or can anyone supply an external modem that does work [08:05] <Seveas> dannyu502, then remember this line: [08:05] <dannyu502> ok [08:05] <yoz> Seveas, I did.. I removed it from Xsession.d and it still freezes.. [08:05] <topyli> hopeng: no, it's good for the filesystem and therefore good for your data [08:05] <Seveas> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt -o umask=0000 [08:06] <booger> phayded: it's called mysql-server [08:06] <bedi> bl0w3r: uh ? [08:06] <bunniears> apokryphos: im going to try restart [08:06] <topyli> hopeng: also, the disk actually suffers more from the constant turning off and restarting [08:06] <hopeng> topyli, but not good for energy consumption :p [08:06] <yoz> Seveas, I do kill the pid with ssh-agent but it's a whole line there.. if you check your own.. [08:06] <topyli> hopeng: oh yeah [08:06] <hopeng> topyli, o yeah? i didnt know that! [08:06] <apokryphos> bunniears: ok [08:06] <yoz> Seveas, I removed it from Xsession.d and still the same.. [08:06] <booger> phayded: then I would go and get phpmyadmin [08:06] <Seveas> yoz, what do you need to kill now for your session to work? [08:06] <Seveas> still ssh-agent? [08:06] <hopeng> topyli, thx for the infos.. ! [08:06] <topyli> hopeng: i wonder if the disk uses more energy when starting up from sleep [08:06] <DarkSSJ> hi all [08:07] <hopeng> topyli, like the air conditioner ? that uses more energy wheeen starting [08:07] <dannyu502> Seveas: Ok. I wrote it down. What will that do? [08:07] <topyli> hopeng: journaling is also good for your data, because the filesystem will recover from power failures and crashes better [08:07] <yoz> Seveas, the pid including ssh-agent on loading gnome. but it's a complex command there not ssh-agent only. [08:07] <yoz> Seveas, just to a ps aux | grep ssh-agent on your machine to check [08:07] <Seveas> yoz, hmm, can you paste the complete command? [08:07] <deacon> Ok, having a bit of an issue, hopefully someone can help me here [08:07] <topyli> hopeng: perhaps the same as the air conditioner. but i don't know [08:08] <hopeng> i usualy listen to winamp that sounding all my 5.1 altec lansing. how to do it in ubuntu xmms ? [08:08] <Seveas> yoz, hmm, I modified my Xsession quite heavily :) [08:08] <yoz> Seveas, I could but I'd have to login again. wait a moment.. [08:08] <dannyu502> Seveas: Ok. I wrote it down. What will that do? [08:08] <Thunder00> hello. can anyone guide me on how to configure intel pro/wireless 2200BG for a laptop? [08:08] <Seveas> that will mount your drive under /mnt [08:08] <dannyu502> ok [08:09] <deacon> I would like to be able to mount a Windows Share in /mnt so that Amarok can create a playlist with it and thusly stream across my network [08:09] <dannyu502> and then i can access [08:09] <Seveas> then you will go to /mnt/windows somewhere and look for the .inf [08:09] <dannyu502> it [08:09] <topyli> hopeng: but i'm no expert on power issues. i just care about that the system is up and hardware doesn't break :) [08:09] <dannyu502> alright thanks seveas [08:09] <hopeng> so... does Vista will struct big time on Linux kernel ? :p [08:09] <dannyu502> im going to log into ubuntu and try it... i will be back if i have andy throuble... THANKS ALOT!!! [08:09] <dannyu502> any* [08:09] <deacon> Seveas, could you send me that command? [08:09] <Seveas> see you soon ;) [08:10] <hopeng> topyli, lol.. i 80% care about data.. but 20% i care about damaging hardisk due to always on [08:10] <topyli> hopeng: i hear that Vista will have many of the new goodies we already enjoy :) [08:10] <dannyu502> seaveas: hahahahha [08:10] <Seveas> deacon: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically [08:10] <yoz> Seveas, /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session x-session-manager [08:10] <Seveas> riiiiigggghhhhht [08:10] <yoz> Seveas, I have to restart gdm twice or 3 times.. then I kill this line and it starts fine. [08:10] <deacon> Thank you kind sir, I shal try that! [08:10] <topyli> hopeng: well, don't take my word for anything. there's an "energy saving howto" or something like that at tldp.org [08:11] <yoz> Seveas, if not I have the brown ubuntu screen and nothing happens after entering user and pass [08:11] <reiki> getting ready to order upgrade parts for my old Pentium 3 computer... any known issues with Gigabyte motherboards? Or GeForce6200TC graphics cards in PCIexpress slots? motherboard/CPU/RAM/power supply/graphics card is about all I'm changing out I think. [08:11] <topyli> hopeng: or maybe "environment howto" or whatever. it's good reading [08:11] <c0rrupt_> Seveas, are the multi-universe repos safe? [08:11] <hopeng> topyli, but im impressed to my trusty 2years old & heavy use of 40gb quantum hdd. its windows. but now im resting it, coz ubuntu on maxtor 120gb (a little badsector lol) is always up and runnin [08:12] <Seveas> c0rrupt_, multiverse is safe [08:12] <Seveas> if you look at the pastebin: all uncommented sources are safe [08:12] <c0rrupt_> ok [08:12] <yoz> Seveas, any clue here? [08:12] <Seveas> yoz, ooking for one [08:12] <Seveas> looking* [08:12] <c0rrupt_> !tell c0rrupt_ about repos [08:12] <ionnek> anyone knows about the "log" folder in /var? My system constantly makes massive logfiles and i'd like to find out why. [08:12] <yoz> Seveas, I do appriciate alot. [08:12] <knowledge> anyone nkow how I can access my windows network? [08:13] <knowledge> I can't find anything on google [08:13] <topyli> hopeng: i have two disks. the other is for backups. it's never mounted except at backup time, and it turns off in about 15 mins (you can set that in the bios) [08:13] <Seveas> yoz, you moved /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90xorg-common_ssh-agent out of the way? [08:13] <topyli> hopeng: the trick is not to mount rarely used disks [08:13] <reiki> I have a CUSL2C asus motherboard. It only sees a bit over 84gigs of my 160gb hard drive. Isn't that a weird cutoff? I though bios limit was 137gb on older bios versions? [08:13] <hopeng> topyli, shit i always mount the windows hdd [08:13] <Seveas> knowledge, places -> connect to server [08:14] <agraupe> how can I specify for my network card to get a specific IP address? DHCP was enabled by default during the install (it's just a broadband router, so there's a bunch of free IP addresses) [08:14] <Seveas> hopeng, that's perfectly fine [08:14] <topyli> hopeng: if you rarely need it, you might want to mount it manually when needed [08:14] <b3d1> what is binhosts ? [08:14] <yoz> Seveas, I did.. but moved it back since I noticed it doesn't work this way. [08:14] <knowledge> Seveas: not working [08:14] <hopeng> topyli, my whole mp3 is in there haha. so i kindda use it all the time. [08:15] <Seveas> yoz, hmm odd, does it still start when you move it..? [08:15] <Mez> Seveas, I'm getting this [08:15] <Mez> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.12-6-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted [08:15] <topyli> hopeng: but it's not a journaling filesystem [08:15] <Seveas> Mez, sudo [08:15] <Mez> with sudo [08:15] <yoz> Seveas, actually not but it doesn't work anyway.. [08:15] <Mianwalian> Hello [08:15] <Seveas> then upgrade to -686 or -k7 [08:15] <Mez> mez@apathy:~/.point2play/Temp/c_drive/windows/inf$ sudo modprobe ndiswrapper [08:15] <Mez> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.12-6-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted [08:15] <Mianwalian> Anyone here [08:15] <yoz> Seveas, no clue what effect it has.. [08:15] <Mianwalian> to help me [08:15] <Mianwalian> ? [08:15] <Seveas> yoz, hmm... [08:15] <yoz> Seveas, as mentioned.. it work only if I restart gdm twice or so.. [08:15] <Seveas> I must say that the clue is getting thin [08:16] <yoz> Seveas, after restarting it and killing it's pid it works . [08:16] <Mez> Seveas - that should make it work? [08:16] <Seveas> yoz, did you try removing ~/.Xauthority and ~/.ICEauthority? [08:16] <knowledge> when I go to "windows network" it doesn't show anything there [08:16] <hopeng> topyli, yeah i oftenly noticed that it takes time to starts mp3 on hdd windows when i got home from office. think it turned off [08:16] <Seveas> Mez, I've seen cases where -386 wouldn't work [08:16] <Mianwalian> seveas bro, i m using ubuntu live cd version linux, and when i run it, i corrupted my windows display drivers. Whats the remedy for this problem [08:16] <yoz> Seveas, nope.. how would I dod that [08:16] <Mez> Seveas, cool, lets hope k7 works [08:17] <Mez> cause itf it dont I dont have net [08:17] <Mianwalian> i m on intel x86 [08:17] <deacon> Ok, now I feel like a complete twit. How exactly do I run the winmac_fstab file?? [08:17] <Seveas> Mianwalian, the live cd does nothing with the disks, so that is impossible... [08:17] <topyli> hopeng: probably [08:17] <Seveas> yoz, login at the termianl and remove those files [08:17] <Mianwalian> Seveas bro believe me [08:17] <yoz> Seveas, ok.. lemme try! [08:18] <Mianwalian> this has happened [08:18] <hopeng> does live cd use memory to save all data? and never use hdd as a temp ? [08:18] <Mianwalian> my winxp [08:18] <zAo^> Seveas, how was thay "terminal client" applet called? :) (on KDE...) [08:18] <Seveas> darkheart, the word n00b is considered foul language in here :) [08:18] <DanteAlighieri> Newbs are different than n00bs, darkheart.... [08:18] <Seveas> zAo^, konsole? [08:18] <XandriX> LinuxJones, i found the problem my cdrom drives led is dirty as hell [08:18] <Mianwalian> is unable to to show any screen after [08:18] <Mianwalian> runiing scan disk [08:18] <zAo^> Seveas, lol, no for remote desktops [08:18] <QMario> Is gedit available for Windows? [08:18] <theeil> my computer hangs during the install at some point every time i try and hangs after about 30 seconds on the boot prompt if i am not done yet [08:18] <Seveas> zAo^, ah, tsclient [08:18] <knowledge> this is starting to blow [08:18] <yoz> Seveas, gonna reboot and check what happens.. [08:18] <yoz> Seveas, thanks alot this far! [08:18] <QMario> Hello Seveas. [08:18] <Seveas> QMario, I doubt it [08:18] <deacon> rofl@darkheart [08:19] <hopeng> QMario, lol u loves gedit? [08:19] <QMario> Yes. [08:19] <zAo^> Seveas, thanks :) [08:19] <QMario> I have a dual-boot system. [08:19] <Seveas> Mianwalian, I cannot believe it since the Ubuntu livecd simply does not even touch the harddisk... [08:19] <hopeng> QMario, get notepad2 for wind0ze [08:19] <QMario> I like gedit, because it is good for programming. [08:19] <fraggsta> hey guys, let's have a discussion about text editors in a Linux channel! [08:19] <Seveas> QMario, try editpad on windows [08:19] <fraggsta> that couldn't possibly end badly [08:19] <QMario> Notepad is terrible. :( [08:19] <decaf> theeil: try the tool at memtest.org, come back if memory chips pass [08:19] <Seveas> editpad pro costs money but is good [08:19] <deacon> rofl@fraggsta [08:20] <hopeng> QMario, notepad2 is sufficient for programming and its free [08:20] <Seveas> !start an editor war [08:20] <ubotu> gedit is better than emacs [08:20] <QMario> Seveas, "real" money? [08:20] <deacon> Vi!! [08:20] <Seveas> QMario, yes [08:20] <morbidi> ubotu: ? [08:20] <ubotu> morbidi: I haven't a clue [08:20] <fraggsta> more like Vim! [08:20] <darkheart> jEdit is pretty nice. [08:20] <hopeng> QMario, i meant "notepad2" not "notepad", google it [08:20] <morbidi> uhhh [08:20] <morbidi> don't start editors wars [08:20] <Seveas> :) [08:21] <morbidi> everyone knows that vim can't be beaten [08:21] <morbidi> :P [08:21] <Seveas> morbidi, ... [08:21] <decaf> darkheart: jedit has a problem with turkish local settings (also netbeans) so I can't use it. [08:21] <Seveas> !start a desktop war [08:21] <morbidi> j/k [08:21] <ubotu> cde is much better than kde! [08:21] <hopeng> gnome rox ! [08:21] <fraggsta> you are right! [08:21] <deacon> I'm rather fond of Kate [08:21] <morbidi> who does need a editor anyways ? [08:21] <Seveas> Kate is nice [08:21] <deacon> Kiss me Kate! [08:21] <morbidi> you've got [08:21] <Seveas> Almost all editors are nice [08:21] <knowledge> ok, well when someone can help me, let me know, I really need to get files from my desktop [08:21] <hopeng> morbidi, an xhtml & css editor ? [08:21] <morbidi> kate, joe, pico, vim, emacs, nano [08:21] <darkheart> decaf Didn't know that =) [08:21] <morbidi> hopeng: what ever [08:22] <fraggsta> except emacs [08:22] <hopeng> lmao [08:22] <topyli> i just edit files with Word under wine as root and then save text files [08:22] <morbidi> those editors do the job [08:22] <theeil> can you copy an iso to floppy (how?) [08:22] <fraggsta> that's never anything other than horrible [08:22] <apokryphos> !start an editor war [08:22] <ubotu> kwrite is better than emacs [08:22] <c0rrupt_> Trme aus rotem Gold, kalt wie das Eis. [08:22] <QMario> Hopeng and Seveas, thank you! Hee hee! ;) [08:22] <Seveas> knowledge, I must have missed tihe orig. question [08:22] <Seveas> repeat it please [08:22] <morbidi> !end an editor war [08:22] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, morbidi [08:22] <deacon> Actually, I still have a question Seveas [08:22] <deacon> Ok, now I feel like a complete twit. How exactly do I run the winmac_fstab file?? [08:22] <Seveas> ah, shoot... [08:22] <Seveas> :) [08:22] <morbidi> ubotu: use one of the list I gave [08:22] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, morbidi [08:22] <Seveas> sudo bash winmac_fstab [08:23] <Seveas> morbidi, ubotu is a bot [08:23] <fraggsta> someone asking about HTML editors? [08:23] <morbidi> ohh [08:23] <fraggsta> bluefish, iirc [08:23] <deacon> bash: winmac_fstab: No such file or directory [08:23] <QMario> Seveas, how do I create an icon for a program? [08:23] <Seveas> did you save it as winmac_fstab in the current directory? [08:23] <deacon> and I'm IN the directory I saved the file in [08:23] <Seveas> QMario, which program? [08:23] <deacon> and yes [08:23] <hopeng> bluefish's php syntax pattern only can read <?php , not <? [08:24] <QMario> Seveas, the one I made. [08:24] <Seveas> hopeng, that's GOOD [08:24] <morbidi> hopeng: vim suports php [08:24] <Seveas> QMario, smeg is a menu editor [08:24] <Seveas> !smeg [08:24] <ubotu> hmm... smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports. [08:24] <deacon> brb [08:24] <QMario> !icon [08:24] <ubotu> QMario: I don't know, could you explain it? [08:24] <QMario> !Botsnack [08:24] <ubotu> :) [08:24] <yoz> Seveas, *sigh* I had to restart gdm 3 times again and kill the ssh-agent line.. [08:24] <Seveas> :| [08:25] <hopeng> Seveas, i spent lots of hours to figure out why my php line wont coloured, i reinstall GKT and things,... and i noticed the silly problem, i delete <?php on syntax and use <? lol its coloured now ! [08:25] <deacon> back [08:25] <yoz> Seveas, I really have no idea.. [08:25] <Seveas> hopeng, using <? for php is bad [08:25] <yoz> but now it makes me sick. [08:25] <hopeng> Seveas, shit i used it for years, tell me why ? [08:25] <vitriol> how do you know what inf file you need to supply ndiswrapper? [08:26] <vitriol> lspci says my wireless card is a broadcom [08:26] <Seveas> <? is used in xml as generic processing instruction [08:26] <vitriol> but it doesn't specify which one [08:26] <Seveas> <?php is the proper start tag [08:26] <hopeng> ic [08:26] <Seveas> all php docs say it :) [08:26] <vitriol> Network controller: Broadcom Corporation: Unknown device 4318 [08:26] <Seveas> vitriol, all broadcom wifi cards are bad, you need ndiswrapper [08:26] <Seveas> use the windows2000 driver for your card [08:27] <vitriol> Seveas: i know. i don't know which inf file i need to supply ndiswrapper [08:27] <c0rrupt_> Seveas, why 2000 o.0 [08:27] <hopeng> haha ok ill use it from now on and dont worry ill add /* by Seveas */ after my <?php [08:27] <Seveas> (it's probably on the cd that came with it) [08:27] <vitriol> oh! i didn't think to try the cd [08:27] <Seveas> c0rrupt_, XP drivers notoriously caus problems for some cards [08:27] <deacon> Ok, that Winmac_Fstab file still won't run. [08:27] <c0rrupt_> ok [08:27] <c0rrupt_> i used xp [08:27] <c0rrupt_> seems to work fine [08:27] <c0rrupt_> rtl8180 [08:27] <yoz> Seveas, any other suggestion? [08:27] <vitriol> but i currently don't have the right broadcom inf file either :) [08:28] <jbn> Hello people. Anyone have quick fix for an apt that gives me 'bus error'? [08:28] <jbn> *have a [08:28] <Seveas> yoz, restart, login, and don't kill ssh-agent but paste the output of ps f -e on the pastebin [08:28] <hopeng> anyone here have tried to install OS X on non mac system ? [08:28] <c0rrupt_> use chocolate [08:28] <Seveas> jbn, bus error means faulty memory or buggy program [08:28] <siwy> hi all [08:28] <yoz> Seveas, ok.. here we go.. [08:28] <Seveas> given that apt is stable and does not cause bus errors, check your memory [08:29] <deacon> ok, Nevermind. Apparently I'm more of a twit than I realized. I was NOT in the correct directory. Sorry, my bad. [08:29] <deacon> It's working now [08:29] <jbn> Seveas, that's bothersome. But thanks for the heads up. [08:29] <MFen> anyone have subversion 1.2 debs? [08:29] <MFen> for hoary.. [08:29] <Nemlah> hello all [08:29] <MFen> i'm trying to compile it from sources in badger, but it i have a problem [08:29] <Nemlah> i have one quick question [08:29] <MFen> * subversion requires apache2-prefork-dev [08:29] <vitriol> how do you get badger? [08:30] <vitriol> just update sources.list? [08:30] <Nemlah> when is the next ubuntu release due? [08:30] <MFen> * apache2-prefork-dev requires libtool (>=1.5) [08:30] <crimsun> Nemlah: October [08:30] <vitriol> or do you have to do something else too [08:30] <hopeng> i wonder why gentoo fans larger than ubuntu ? i never tried gentoo os tho [08:30] <Nemlah> thanks [08:30] <Nemlah> have fun [08:30] <deacon> Thanks Seveas [08:30] <theeil> can you use dd to burn an iso to floppy? [08:30] <MFen> * subversion requires libtool (< 1.5) [08:30] <Nemlah> and thanks for ubuntu.. [08:30] <Nemlah> :) [08:30] <crimsun> vitriol: Breezy has a kernel issue at the moment; please don't dist-upgrade. [08:30] <MFen> so, has anyone built the debs? [08:30] <vitriol> crimsun: kernel issues such as? [08:30] <crimsun> vitriol: if you use lvm, you will not be able to boot. [08:30] <darkheart> theeil Burn an iso to floppy? You mean 600 floppies? [08:31] <vitriol> crimsun: i don't use the generic x86 kernel and i don't use lvm either [08:31] <Seveas> MFen, soon [08:31] <setite> !limewire [08:31] <ubotu> I guess limewire is at http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire [08:31] <theeil> darkheart: it's 40 some KB [08:31] <vitriol> !breezy [08:31] <ubotu> breezy is, like, the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/ [08:31] <MFen> Seveas: you're building it now? [08:31] <topyli> vitriol: it's not ready i just upgraded one box today, and it doesn't seem ready for production yet [08:31] <darkheart> theeil And it's an iso file? [08:32] <vitriol> topyli: does it use kernel 2.6.12? [08:32] <hotxSAUCE> amule is on the same network as dc++ right? [08:32] <topyli> vitriol: yes [08:32] <Seveas> MFen, ah, won't work on a hoary system... [08:32] <vitriol> my ati chipset is better supported in that kernel [08:32] <theeil> darkheart: yes (right now .iso.gz) [08:32] <vitriol> topyli: thats why i'm considering upgrading [08:32] <MFen> Seveas: :( [08:32] <deacon> Ok, Next question... [08:32] <Seveas> sorry [08:32] <MFen> don't tease me like that [08:32] <darkheart> hotxSAUCE aMule uses the donkey network. What does DC++ use? [08:32] <topyli> vitriol: upgrade the kernel rather [08:32] <vitriol> topyli: there's no 2.6.12 kernel in hoary [08:33] <vitriol> topyli: only 2.6.10.x and 2.6.11.x [08:33] <bodhi> when i try to upgrade my hoary, some packages are blocked [08:33] <topyli> vitriol: no, you'd have to roll your own [08:33] <Seveas> vitriol, only 2.6.10 [08:33] <darkheart> theeil What exactly is it? I'm not sure what the outcome would be of a dd..I guess it would work though, something to try. [08:33] <deacon> How do I get my NETWORKED windows shares to show up. IE: those that are shared out on a Windows PC elsewhere on my network? [08:33] <Seveas> 2.6.11 haory packages are not meant to be used [08:33] <vitriol> Seveas: i'm running a 2.6.11 kernel in hoary [08:33] <Seveas> 2.6.11 haory packages are not meant to be used <-- [08:33] <theeil> darkheart: memtest bootable [08:33] <Seveas> they are broken and known to be buggy [08:33] <vitriol> Linux solstice 2.6.11-1-amd64-k8 #1 Fri Feb 11 14:45:56 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux [08:34] <vitriol> Seveas: this kernel is working *very* well for me [08:34] <darkheart> theeil Yeah, I guess try it. Don't forget to untar it first. [08:34] <vitriol> Seveas: it fixed my DMA issues [08:34] <MFen> hey, the new service manager in badger looks cool [08:34] <Seveas> vitriol, you're in luck then :) [08:34] <hotxSAUCE> what happen to the guy who made linux??? is he super rich now? [08:34] <vitriol> Seveas: yeah :) [08:34] <Seveas> MFen, yeah, it's nice [08:34] <theeil> darkheart: i don't really know how to use dd tho... [08:34] <Seveas> hotxSAUCE, he's still working on it and not that rich [08:34] <vitriol> !breezy upgrade [08:34] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, vitriol [08:34] <Seveas> osdl.org/~torvalds/ [08:34] <yoz> Seveas, I did.. http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1304 [08:34] <Seveas> hmm [08:35] <deacon> hotxSAUCE, that would be Linux Torvalds. He works for OSDN labs now, and is well of, but not super rich' [08:35] <darkheart> theeil Well, that's something you'll have to look up =) try 'man dd' and googling info for it. [08:35] <hopeng> inf: ubuntu is eeeeviiiiil <--- on #gentoo [08:35] <deacon> err, Linus. [08:35] <hopeng> lol [08:35] <deacon> doh [08:35] <farsawoos> http://www.purepwnage.com [08:35] <darkheart> theeil It's pretty simple in concept, but there are a lot of switches you can use with the dd command. [08:35] <fraggsta> Linux == Communism. Discuss. [08:36] <farsawoos> lol [08:36] <Seveas> fraggsta, highly offtopic in here [08:36] <Seveas> move that to another channel [08:36] <Kyral> !lart fraggsta [08:36] <farsawoos> rofl [08:36] <Seveas> Kyral, ... [08:36] <deacon> fraggsta = offtopicman. discuss. lol. [08:36] <Kyral> sorry [08:36] <Seveas> deacon, ... [08:36] <topyli> MS = capitalism. do not discuss [08:36] <deacon> sorry. [08:36] <rosa> somebody can tell me how to check my cpu temperature : hddtemp.? [08:36] <hopeng> lol hotxSAUCE [08:36] <fraggsta> rosa: lmsensors and xsensors [08:36] <hopeng> hotxSAUCE: why is ubuntu evil ? <-- on #gentoo [08:37] <Seveas> rosa, gkrellm+gdesklets are a nice interface to it [08:37] <yoz> Seveas, anything strange there? [08:37] <Seveas> rosa, otherwise prowse through /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ [08:37] <Random_Sindrom> 9 [08:37] <Random_Sindrom> kli9uoi [08:37] <deacon> Hoestly, I really do want to know how I can mount a windows smb network share under /mnt so Amarok can stream the files. [08:37] <Random_Sindrom> 89988888888888888888888888888888888888 [08:38] <luis_> Good Afternoon Everyone... Is it possible someone could lend me a hand with installing an RPM file? [08:38] <MFen> ! [08:38] <apokryphos> Random_Sindrom: you are indeed sooo random [08:38] <fraggsta> as long as your motherboard has lmsensors supported drivers, it's pretty nice [08:38] <Kyral> I hit the wrong button [08:38] <apokryphos> :| [08:38] <bunniears> apokryphos: figured it out lol [08:38] <Seveas> deacon, places -> connect to server or places -> network should work [08:38] <fraggsta> though I can't trust my board's sensors (I think they're very inaccurate) [08:38] <apokryphos> bunniears: cool, what was it? [08:38] <stratovarius> hey [08:38] <bunniears> apokryphos: well i tried going to my lan address http://192.168.2.101/testphp.php and it worked fine :O? [08:39] <stratovarius> does someone tell me how can I transfer files on a removible device? [08:39] <deacon> Seveas, yes, that allows me to mount it to the desktop, but Amarok cannot search that to add to it's playlist, nor can xmms play off it. [08:39] <reiki> I have a 160GB drive and bios only sees half of it. Is there a way to have grub load with drive parms like you can with lilo? FEED it cylinders, heads, sectors with parm "linear" ? [08:39] <luis_> It's the Jive Messenger server from Here: http://www.jivesoftware.org/downloads.jsp [08:39] <gunder> hello [08:39] <Seveas> deacon, ah, ok, I created another utility for that [08:39] <apokryphos> bunniears: weird... doesn't make much sense. It should work from localhost [08:39] <topyli> fraggsta: too hot for you? :) [08:39] <ztonzy> hi apokryphos [08:39] <Seveas> http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/addsamba [08:39] <Seveas> run that as root to add a samba share to /etc/fstab [08:39] <apokryphos> ztonzy: hey [08:39] <fraggsta> topyli: no, it just claims my case temp is hotter than my CPU :/ [08:39] <bunniears> apokryphos: maybe because i have something running on the network? [08:39] <topyli> heh [08:39] <knowledge> Seveas: will that work for my situation as well? [08:39] <deacon> Ahhh.. Most excellent! Thank you again kind sir! [08:40] <bunniears> apokryphos: doesnt matter though [08:40] <apokryphos> ok [08:40] <ztonzy> apokryphos, have you ever heard of Gedit dissapearing from the menu? [08:40] <topyli> Seveas: another scipt? you should have a web page for them [08:40] <Seveas> yoz, where diy you move the 90ssh-agent file to? [08:40] <apokryphos> ztonzy: in kde or gnome? [08:40] <topyli> probably do too :) [08:40] <Seveas> topily strip the filename from the url :) [08:41] <ztonzy> apokryphos, gnome... Program --> (lowest submenu where calculator also is) [08:41] <topyli> ooh! [08:41] <apokryphos> ztonzy: no idea I'm afraid; I use kde :P [08:41] <yoz> Seveas, I didn't it's still in Xsession.d but I was wondering there is no ssh-agent.. [08:42] <Seveas> hehe [08:42] <apokryphos> ztonzy: just off for a bit of a sleep now before work; catch you later :) [08:42] <rosa> where do i punch in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ [08:42] <Seveas> yoz, you need to move it outside that folder :) [08:42] <ztonzy> apokryphos, ok...this is 2nd time that it happened to me... [08:42] <Seveas> all files in that folder are sourced :) [08:42] <ztonzy> apokryphos, ok...take care [08:42] <bunniears> apokryphos: does FF have cache? [08:42] <fraggsta> back on topic again, what the hell has happened to the backports project? Hoary isn't being updated much and i hardly ever get any updates through backports mirrors [08:42] <yoz> Seveas, should I move it outside and paste again? [08:42] <luis_> How do I install an RPM in Ubuntu? It seems rpms are not compatible with debian based distributions? [08:42] <Seveas> yoz, move it outside and reboot :) [08:42] <Seveas> luis_, try to find a .deb if possible [08:42] <fraggsta> luis_: Alien. [08:42] <yoz> Seveas, ok.. brb [08:42] <Seveas> if not: use alien [08:43] <deacon> ok, AFK for a bit, have to step out [08:44] <luis_> Fraggsta: It said something about Alien, but I couldn't find any information on how to use it. Does it come with the normal ubuntu install? [08:44] <LinuxJones> luis_, alot of packages are available for download via the apt repos, what are you trying to install ? [08:44] <fraggsta> luis_: you'd probably have to apt-get it, but using alien should be a last resort [08:44] <Seveas> luis_, yes it is you can use 'alien filename.rpm' [08:44] <luis_> Seaveas: not available as a .deb from the developers... [08:45] <Seveas> luis_, what are you installing? (just curious) [08:45] <c0rrupt_> a life [08:45] <eventualbuddha> i have a service i want to run at startup. i know that i write a script for it, put it in /etc/init.d/, but i'm not sure about after that. help? [08:45] <luis_> How do I send a message directly to someone, please? -) [08:45] <c0rrupt_> type [08:45] <c0rrupt_> /msg [08:45] <Seveas> eventualbuddha, sudo update-rc.d defaults your_name [08:45] <luis_> thanks [08:46] <Seveas> (your_name = the name of the script) [08:46] <LinuxJones> eventualbuddha, update-rc.d scriptname defaults it will add to runlevels 2-5 [08:46] <eventualbuddha> LinuxJones, Seveas: thanks, will try now [08:47] <c0rrupt_> higgatus figgitus [08:47] <LinuxJones> luis_, what program is it ? [08:47] <setite> hey.. i need to find the windows media player 9 codec... [08:47] <DanteAlighieri> c0rrupt_: Sword in the stone? [08:47] <setite> i read that i can use crossover office to run the plugin [08:48] <c0rrupt_> Lol [08:48] <c0rrupt_> yea [08:48] <LinuxJones> luis_, ahh [08:48] <c0rrupt_> when you loo under those rocks and plants and take a glance [08:48] <c0rrupt_> at those fancy ants, maybe you'll just. [08:48] <c0rrupt_> try a few [08:49] <topyli> LinuxJones: the upgrade went well. the system is a bit b0rken though :) [08:50] <LinuxJones> topyli, openoffice2 won't install and ther are some keyboard stuff broken [08:50] <c0rrupt_> i got the magic stick [08:50] <QMario> Seveas, are you still here? [08:50] <Seveas> QMario, no this is just my answering machine [08:50] <QMario> Seveas, okay. [08:50] <pax> hehe [08:51] <topyli> LinuxJones: i did install ooo and my keyboard happened to work. just some things i actually use are broken :) [08:51] <Alakala> LinuxJones did you find anything about the usb-modules? (For booting my usb-hd) [08:51] <Seveas> QMario, 'sup? [08:52] <QMario> Seveas, what I meant by icon editor, was a program that can create unique icons for others programs. [08:52] <Seveas> QMario, ah! [08:52] <Seveas> like a drawing program [08:52] <LinuxJones> Alakala, sorry I had to go do a few things Seveas can probably help you...he's smart :) [08:52] <QMario> You know how GAIM has the yellow image as its icon? Something similar to that. [08:53] <funkyHat> "Error: ALSA device "default" is already in use by another program" [08:53] <funkyHat> i thought alsa was supposed to allow more than one program to connect? :( [08:53] <Seveas> QMario, inkscape is a nice drawing program [08:53] <Alakala> LinuxJones ok, thanks anyway. [08:54] <QMario> Seveas, okay. [08:55] <Alakala> Seveas I've got an usb-hd (No specific brand, just a maxtor-hd on a random case) which I installed Ubuntu on. GRUB on the main disk (Windows-disk) and it didin't find /dev/console and pivot_root and then of course, kernel panicked. What should I do? [08:55] <theeil> is there a way to install the base system and install packages from the cd after booting the system? [08:55] <yoz> Seveas, I did move it outside.. rebooted.. and it freezed again.. I had to move it back, reboot, restart gdm 4 times and kill ssh-agent again in order to make it start gnome. here the output of ps f -e after I moved ssh-agent out of Xsession.d: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1305 [08:57] <zerboxx> Does Limewire run well under linux? [08:57] <Seveas> yoz, are you logged in now? [08:57] <yyc747> is there an easy way to open ports on the default ubuntu firewall after install? [08:57] <yoz> Seveas, yes I am. [08:57] <Seveas> (I have a tiny little clue) [08:57] <Seveas> do a ps f -e now and paste it too [08:57] <theeil> zerboxx it needs java [08:57] <yoz> Seveas, ok hold on.. [08:57] <hybrid_goth> Seveas: tiny little? [08:58] <hybrid_goth> thats quiet small [08:58] <ALoHa> yay, trackballs works [08:58] <oonoon> hi, how can i get the ultimate help from ubuntu staff from a prob nobody managed to get through ? [08:58] <zerboxx> theeil: And since I have java, it's all good? :) [08:58] <douglas> my openoffice2 fonts show up as gibberish and I can't use the Suite because of it? HELP! [08:58] <funkyHat> ok, i've discovered the problem, esd keeps starting up somehow and hogging the device. as long as esd isn't loaded, all my sound works no problem. [08:58] <hybrid_goth> quiet: lol [08:58] <quiet> :) [08:58] <theeil> zerboxx: should be ;) i use bittorrent though [08:58] <funkyHat> can someone tell me how to stop esd from ever loading? [08:58] <Seveas> funkyHat, then let your program use esd [08:58] <hybrid_goth> oonoon: we are the closes to "ubuntu staff" as for tech support [08:58] <zerboxx> theeil: Oh me too, but sometimes I want to find older things which aren't in torrent form [08:59] <quiet> funkyHat, sudoapt-get remove esd ?? [08:59] <funkyHat> Seveas, esd has a 1 second + delay [08:59] <Determinist> grrr, anyone good with the GIMP here? [08:59] <Seveas> funkyHat, system -> prefs -> sound -> enable sound server startup [08:59] <Stompey00> any one know of a good ext modem to use with hoary? I recently loaded it on an older machine of mine, but it has an internal win modem. I have been looking for a controller based model and bought a diamond supra express external but i hear it has firmware and drivers and won't support linux. If anyone knows a way i can make the diamond work it'd be appreciated. If not does anyone know of... [08:59] <Stompey00> ...another brand or model that does work [08:59] <Seveas> make sure it is off [08:59] <theeil> zerboxx: i know what you mean, i would guess that limewire is the best p2p client for linux (if it works) [08:59] <dannyu502> Seveas: Im back!!! :-D [08:59] <zerboxx> theeil: I'll let you know in a few minutes :D [08:59] <theeil> zerboxx: great [08:59] <rob_p> yyc747: There is no default firewall on Ubuntu. [08:59] <hybrid_goth> theeil: doesnt limewire us java? [09:00] <theeil> hybrid_goth: we just said that ;) [09:00] <DrDabbles> Anybody in here know where I can get IEEE 1003.1 freely? I'm not a professor, engineer, or a rich man...so I'd kinda like to get the information freely. [09:00] <yoz> Seveas, there we go: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1306 [09:00] <dannyu502> Seveas: I just moved my computer downstairs so I can do all the crap on Ubuntu because now I am on the internet through Ethernet/ [09:00] <funkyHat> Seveas, system sounds are playing through alsa [09:00] <hybrid_goth> theeil: i was asking [09:00] <hybrid_goth> i didnt remember [09:00] <hybrid_goth> ;-) [09:00] <oonoon> hybrid_goth : so, who's the ultimate specialist ; i've got a prob with my nvidia that hasn't been solved (also tried the linuxquestions.org forums, with many views, but no single useful reply) [09:00] <Doonz> if i have a directory created by root whats the command to allow everyone to do things to it? [09:01] <Seveas> chmod 777 /path/to/dir [09:01] <darkheart> lol [09:01] <theeil> hybrid_goth: well it does, it is ret really true that it is "for" linux as java IS a platform, but there may be a linux installer [09:01] <hybrid_goth> oonoon: well just ask the question and if there is no help here try google or http://ubuntu.com/wiki [09:01] <equex_> i'd wish my keyboard was functioning properly.. why on earth is keypresses getting stuck in the buffer and repeated endlessly for seconds, minutes.. people say nvidia is well supported on linux, but it seems only that applies to graphics cards or what ? i have a nforce2 chipset.. please help... a computer without even a functioning keyboard is a defunct one :( [09:01] <Doonz> thanx sv eas [09:01] <hybrid_goth> theeil: ah i am not a java fan [09:01] <Seveas> yoz, somehow esd is bugging, if you look at the outputs: where it fails esd is not yet loaded, where it works, esd is [09:02] <hybrid_goth> equex_: who said nvidia was well supported? [09:02] <gigaclon> can some one help me with a compiling problem? [09:02] <Seveas> yoz, try diabling esd [09:02] <hybrid_goth> gigaclon: just ask ;) [09:02] <Seveas> gigaclon, please be a bit more specific [09:02] <yoz> Seveas, hmm what's esd and how would I disable it? [09:02] <equex_> hybrid_goth: everyone that happened to be listening when i complained about ATI [09:02] <theeil> hybrid_goth: i don't even have it set up, but i may try again if limewire works well [09:02] <eventualbuddha> LinuxJones: how would i implement the stop/restart commands? do you have a script recommendation i should look at? [09:02] <dannyu502> What is the command to see the contents of a directory? [09:03] <hybrid_goth> equex_: all i have heard is that ATI is better support. thats what is in this iBook and it worked ootb [09:03] <meuserj|work> eventualbuddha, /etc/init.d/skeleton [09:03] <hybrid_goth> theeil: too demanding for me. java that is [09:03] <oonoon> hybrid_goth : i googled and ubuntu-wikied a little time ago :-) ; i've got a blank screen when i launch gnome (but it disappears after a few seconds); i see the nvidia logo, so the driver seems to be well installed (also the FPS considerably increased) ; but i can't leave gnome, otherwise i get the blank screen but this time, permanently [09:03] <hybrid_goth> dannyu502: ls [09:03] <gigaclon> when I when to do ./configure I got "No OpenGL library found" [09:03] <Seveas> yoz, esd is the sound server [09:03] <Seveas> yoz, system -> prefs -> sound -> enable sound server startup [09:03] <zerboxx> theeil: Seems to work nicely [09:03] <Seveas> make sure it is off [09:03] <LinuxJones> eventualbuddha, you have to code your script for those parameters that are passed to launch the script [09:03] <gigaclon> eventualbuddha, nice name [09:04] <Doonz> Seveas is there a away to make all the files inside of that folder readable by all users? [09:04] <hybrid_goth> oonoon: the binary driver correct? [09:04] <Seveas> chmod -R a+r /path/to/folder [09:04] <eventualbuddha> i understand that, but i mean... i have a binary that runs as a daemon. how do i stop it? [09:04] <yoz> Seveas, oh makes sense now.. I unchecked sound server startup [09:04] <LinuxJones> eventualbuddha, look at some of the scripts in /etc/init.d most will have the code you need. [09:04] <Doonz> or mebbe how can i make it so that the source dir belongs to a normal user not root?? [09:04] <yyc747> ubuntu has a firewall by default, right? [09:04] <eventualbuddha> LinuxJones: thanks [09:04] <c0rrupt_> nien! [09:04] <rob_p> yyc747: No! [09:04] <Seveas> yoz, then try rebooting to see whether my clue worked [09:04] <hybrid_goth> yyc747: nope [09:04] <hybrid_goth> c0rrupt_: lol [09:05] <yoz> Seveas, ok.. brb! ;) there again! [09:05] <c0rrupt_> Lol [09:05] <theeil> zerboxx: cool, it's nice to use a p2p client for small downloads, but it's a bother to install java on gentoo (i'm trying to get ubuntu for my other computer) [09:05] <oonoon> hybrid_goth : i'm pretty sure of that [09:05] <yyc747> rob_p: sorry, I didn't see your last reply [09:05] <c0rrupt_> firewalls are useless ;) [09:05] <rob_p> yyc747: No prob :-) [09:05] <hybrid_goth> oonoon: and you installed just like said in the wiki? [09:05] <zerboxx> theeil: Ah, took me a while to get it for ubuntu, but once I got it it's a piece of cake [09:05] <hybrid_goth> c0rrupt_: lol tripwire is fun [09:05] <stianj> anyone running Breezy, which does not get: "Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_accel_label_set_accel_closure: assertion `gtk_accel_group_from_accel_closure (accel_closure) != NULL' failed" for just about every gnome-app? [09:05] <c0rrupt_> i need a graphical firewall [09:05] <c0rrupt_> ;\ [09:05] <c0rrupt_> LOL [09:05] <hybrid_goth> bah [09:05] <c0rrupt_> i just contridicted myself [09:06] <hybrid_goth> yea [09:06] <rob_p> c0rrupt_: there's always firestarter... [09:06] <LinuxJones> c0rrupt_, firestarter [09:06] <c0rrupt_> good? [09:06] <c0rrupt_> o.0 [09:06] <oonoon> hybrid_goth: i followed every single word written there [09:06] <yyc747> I'm planning to run a small HTTP server, but no one outside my subnet can access it... I thought, until recently, that this was due to my firewall, but now I'm not sure what's causing it... any advice? [09:07] <gigaclon> hybrid_goth, when I when to do ./configure I got "No OpenGL library found" [09:07] <LinuxJones> c0rrupt_, it's fine for basic stuff yeah [09:07] <hybrid_goth> oonoon: hmm and then it worked [09:07] <hybrid_goth> gigaclon: have the lib? [09:07] <jesper> Hi.. are the Live-CD's shipped by "shipit" generally broken? [09:07] <hybrid_goth> oonoon: but what did you do to make it go to the blank screen? [09:07] <oonoon> hybrid_goth : kind of, but i see that there're many probs around that [09:07] <hybrid_goth> jesper: ah no [09:07] <rob_p> yyc747: Probably your router or something. [09:07] <cute_bettong> how to find a list of installed apps [09:07] <Seveas> jesper, no [09:07] <gigaclon> hybrid_goth, dunno whats the package name? [09:08] <eventualbuddha> LinuxJones: oohhhhh, start-stop-daemon is not specific to lighttpd. okay that makes a lot of sense [09:08] <Seveas> cute_bettong, dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstaleld [09:08] <hybrid_goth> gigaclon: no idea [09:08] <Seveas> cute_bettong, dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstalled [09:08] <Doonz> Seveas cant seem to get those files to be availible to other users they are still locked [09:08] <hybrid_goth> apt-cache search OpenGL lib [09:08] <oonoon> hybrith_goth : switching on the computer ; this blank screen replaces the last command lines i used to see before gnome starts [09:08] <Seveas> Doonz, is it on a windows partition perhaps? [09:08] <LinuxJones> eventualbuddha, ;) [09:08] <darkheart> gigaclon It's probably libmesa [09:08] <Doonz> nope [09:08] <hybrid_goth> oonoon: what is your run level? [09:09] <jesper> I was just reading: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user/38907 [09:09] <Doonz> how do i change the owner of a dir chown user dir? [09:09] <hybrid_goth> yes [09:09] <jesper> Which could indicate some trouble.. [09:09] <Doonz> k [09:09] <yyc747> rob_p: port forwarding is set up [09:09] <hybrid_goth> Doonz: for more try man chown [09:09] <jak> hi. is there a ubuntu kernel-source-package or do i have to download the kernel from kernel.org? THX [09:09] <oonoon> hybrid_goth : 2 [09:10] <rob_p> yyc747: Is your ISP blocking inbound to port 80? [09:10] <Seveas> jak, linux-source-2.6.10 [09:10] <hybrid_goth> oonoon: so thge gui doesnt start up w/out startx [09:10] <Seveas> (that's the name of the package) [09:10] <hybrid_goth> rob_p: whats the chances of that? [09:10] <D-N-S> plz guys i'm a slackware user and i suggested to use ubuntu but i wanna knows if ubuntu is gui (kde) or it's like slackware [09:10] <yyc747> rob_p: I'm running it on 8080, actually [09:10] <jak> Seveas: thx [09:10] <hybrid_goth> D-N-S: what ever you plz [09:10] <Seveas> D-N-S, Ubuntu can use KDE as well as no GUI at all [09:10] <rob_p> hybrid_goth: Quite high, actually! Many ISPs are now doing this to prevent their users from running http servers. [09:11] <hybrid_goth> hmm [09:11] <hybrid_goth> weird [09:11] <Seveas> these isp's suck :) [09:11] <oonoon> hybrid_goth : i dont understand what you've just said ; i actually uninstalled the drivers, and i'm now on runlevel 2 and everything works fine, except the 3d acceleration [09:11] <hybrid_goth> lol yea [09:11] <hybrid_goth> oonoon: do you *need* 3d? [09:11] <Doonz> chown -c schwyl /glftpd/site [09:11] <Doonz> that look right? [09:12] <oonoon> hybrid_goth : i dont like much this question :-) in the near future, i would need it [09:12] <hybrid_goth> if schwyl is a user yes [09:12] <rob_p> yyc747: I see. Sounds like your port forwarding is not working properly. [09:12] <Seveas> Doonz, if you want to make /glftpd/site be owned by schwyl: yes [09:12] <Doonz> hmm [09:12] <hybrid_goth> oonoon: hmm [09:12] <Doonz> keeps saying the root is still onwer [09:12] <hybrid_goth> oonoon: my opion what till then maybe they will have better drivers [09:12] <Seveas> sudo chown [09:12] <Seveas> ... [09:12] <hybrid_goth> sudo it [09:12] <dannyu502> Anyone have the Wiki Link for the setting up Ndiswrapper??????? [09:12] <yyc747> rob_p: any idea why that would be? it has worked properly in the past [09:13] <Doonz> oh lol [09:13] <Doonz> my bad sorry [09:13] <oonoon> hybrid_goth : bah, that's weird, my card is not that new [09:13] <meuserj|work> oonoon, what card is it? [09:13] <hybrid_goth> oonoon: hmm but the linux game is [09:13] <dannyu502> Anyone have the Wiki Link for the setting up Ndiswrapper??????? [09:13] <LinuxJones> dannyu502, >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper [09:13] <dannyu502> thanks [09:13] <Seveas> !wiki ndiswrapper [09:13] <D-N-S> what is the packege manger for V [09:14] <D-N-S> ubuntu [09:14] <rob_p> yyc747: Do you have a way to verify that external connections to your network on port 8080 are failing? [09:14] <hybrid_goth> apt [09:14] <meuserj|work> apt/deb [09:14] <Seveas> synaptic/apt-get/aptitude/kpackagemanager/kynaptic [09:14] <hybrid_goth> D-N-S: dpkg and apt is a front end and synaptic is a graphical frontend to it [09:14] <meuserj|work> D-N-S, same as debian [09:14] <D-N-S> does it suppport RPM or .tar.gz [09:14] <hybrid_goth> synaptic makes life too easy [09:14] <oonoon> meuserj|work : geforce FX Go 5700 [09:14] <hybrid_goth> D-N-S: alien [09:15] <meuserj|work> D-N-S, .deb [09:15] <hybrid_goth> D-N-S: you alien it to a .deb [09:15] <D-N-S> lol [09:15] <D-N-S> ok [09:15] <meuserj|work> oonoon, what driver version? [09:15] <Seveas> D-N-S, native packages are .deb, tgz and rpm are supported with alien (like others said) [09:15] <setite> fuck.. it should be illegal for ms to disallow firefox to have a windows mp9 plugin for linux [09:16] <hybrid_goth> lol [09:16] <Stompey00_> Hoping for some help [09:16] <setite> nah its bs that tehy have a windows plug.. and a mac one.. but no linux one [09:16] <Sav> Hi, im woundering how my filesysten should look like, now i hade choosen "/ ext3 30gb" and "swap 0.5gb", any recomendation to do an other way? [09:16] <meuserj|work> setite, try the mplayer plugin... it will work with most.. but not quite all. [09:16] <setite> and i cant use crossover office [09:16] <hybrid_goth> setite: numbers man [09:16] <oonoon> meuserj|work : glub, last one 1.0-7676 (also tried older versions) [09:16] <setite> because wmp9 requires internet to boot [09:17] <setite> well shit lemme try cedega [09:17] <Stompey00_> cant anyone recommend an external serial modem that hoary will auto detect [09:17] <hybrid_goth> !coc [09:17] <Seveas> Sav, looks good [09:17] <ubotu> [coc] the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/ [09:17] <yoz> Seveas, that was it. it starts fine now.. though without sound =) [09:17] <Seveas> Stompey00, serial modems should always work... [09:17] <meuserj|work> oonoon, I think you mean 7667.... [09:17] <lucaz> why totem dont play avi or mpg files? [09:17] <Seveas> yoz, try to find an alsa+dmix tutorial or wait for breezy [09:18] <Seveas> lucaz, it might need additional codecs [09:18] <yyc747> rob_p: no, I don't have any way of verifying I can't connect, other than what other people have already told me [09:18] <Stompey00_> i bought a diamond supra express that said it was linux compatible but it has no drivers and i dont know how to set it up [09:18] <Seveas> !restricted [09:18] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [09:18] <Seveas> Stompey00_, the trick is that it needs no drivers [09:18] <meuserj|work> lucaz, install gstreamer8.0-ffmpeg [09:18] <humbolt> what software can I use to incrementally backup several machines (including windows clients) to a harddisk and from there to a tape afterwards? the most important part of course, is easy restoration of files. [09:18] <Stompey00> ok [09:18] <Seveas> Stompey00, simply connect it to COM1 [09:18] <yoz> Seveas, good to know what the issue is ;) I'm gonna enable it, and start my lappy by killing the shit ;) [09:18] <shammy> I'm trying to install phoenix, and i installed the rpm with alien but when i try to run it i get: phoenix: error while loading shared libraries: libpng.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory, but i've already ran the command apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search libpng.so.2. What can I do to get the file I need? [09:18] <Seveas> the modem is then /dev/ttyS0 [09:18] <Stompey00> just plug it in then? [09:18] <oonoon> meuserj|work : no, 7676 [09:18] <yoz> Seveas, thanks alot for your help! [09:18] <Seveas> yoz, yw :) [09:18] <lucaz> how can I look which codecs are installed? [09:19] <Seveas> !restricted [09:19] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [09:19] <Seveas> ^-- lucaz [09:19] <Seveas> read that [09:19] <pepsi> so ubuntu has the 2.6.12 kernel down pat? [09:19] <yyc747> rob_p: I just tested it with a free shell account, and it isn't working [09:19] <ironuckles> WTF do I do when I keep getting "broken package" errors?! [09:19] <pepsi> debian's 2.6.12 is broken for me [09:20] <LinuxJones> shammy, libpng2 is available for download but libpng3 may be removed if you install it [09:20] <Seveas> ironuckles, paste a complete error message on the pasatebin please [09:20] <ironuckles> I did, but meanwhile what do I do? [09:20] <meuserj|work> oonoon, ah.. there has been an updated driver since I installed the other day... your card SHOULD work. I have a 6200 which works with 7667.. not sure what your problem is. [09:20] <Seveas> ironuckles, what is the url to the errormessage? [09:20] <eventualbuddha> okay, installed the init.d script, but now when i run /etc/init.d/tracd start it spits out the tracd usage message like it received no input, but i used OPTS= with -- $OPTS as an argument to start-stop-daemon [09:21] <oonoon> meuserj|work, me too, it's weird that the driver seems to work fine, and i can't quit gnome anymore [09:21] <ironuckles> Seveas: I don't know, I posted this yesterday, where do I find the url? [09:21] <shammy> LinuxJones, ok, I have libpng2 installed, but now it says phoenix: cannot connect to x server [09:22] <rob_p> yyc747: Is the connection dropped and thus causing a long timeout, or it it closed with a tcp reset and you get disconnected right away? [09:22] <Seveas> ironuckles, paste it again ;) [09:22] <LinuxJones> shammy, what is phoenix ? [09:22] <dannyu502> Can anyone help me mount my windows partition? [09:22] <deacon> Seveas, I seem to be getting some unusual errors using that Samba mounting script. [09:22] <yyc747> rob_p: I can't tell... I just get "permission denied" [09:22] <ironuckles> ok [09:22] <Seveas> (this reminds me: I should build a search function for it) [09:22] <rob_p> yyc747: what is the IP address? [09:22] <yyc747> rob_p: probably the reset, because it happens almost instantaneously [09:22] <Seveas> deacon, I'd like to know the complete output, paste it on a pastebin or in a private chat [09:22] <ironuckles> brb [09:22] <dannyu502> Seveas: Mounting my windows partition with winmac-fstab didnt work [09:23] <eventualbuddha> i am a dumbass [09:23] <sartas> hey: whats wrong? rythmbox cant import 40 gb music... heh, is it just the app? [09:23] <dannyu502> winmac_fstab**** [09:23] <c0rrupt_> do [09:23] <c0rrupt_> mk dir /mnt/windows [09:23] <c0rrupt_> mkdir [09:23] <Seveas> dannyu502, what went wrong? [09:23] <Sav> Hi, im woundering how my filesysten should look like, now i have choosen "/ ext3 30gb" and "swap 0.5gb", any recomendation to do an other way? [09:23] <Alinux> ? [09:23] <c0rrupt_> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1/ /mnt/windows [09:23] <Seveas> Sav, looks good [09:23] <sartas> hey: whats wrong? rythmbox cant import 40 gb music... heh, is it just the app?.. [09:23] <dannyu502> Seveas, I'm not sure. It seemed to have worked but now when i reboot my computer i check the mnt directory and it is empty [09:23] <Seveas> Alinux, don't use weird characters [09:23] <sartas> please tell .. [09:23] <Seveas> dannyu502, /media/ [09:23] <Sav> Seveas ok thnxx [09:23] <shammy> LinuxJones, It's Phoenix Object Basic, it's fully implemented BASIC with a simple GUI maker and some other good features [09:24] <deacon> ok, private caht offered [09:24] <Seveas> and rebooting is not neccessary :) [09:24] <deacon> err, chat [09:24] <dannyu502> seveas, ok I will check [09:24] <Seveas> deacon, no dcc, just /msg [09:24] <LinuxJones> shammy, did you enable the root account on your ubuntu machine ? [09:24] <sartas> hey? cant rythmbox import 40gb? [09:25] <deacon> Oh. I really need to brush up on my IRC [09:25] <shammy> LinuxJones, no I haven't. I forget the command.. something like set root passwd? [09:25] <LinuxJones> shammy, yeah don't do that [09:25] <eventualbuddha> k, figured that out. now, tracd doesn't seem to have a daemon option. how do i make it act like a daemon? appending &? [09:25] <Madpilot> sartas: I had trouble with Rythymbox importing less than that. try Muine instead [09:25] <sartas> Muine? [09:25] <Madpilot> !info muine [09:25] <ubotu> muine: (Simple playlist based music player), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.8.2-5ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 246 kB, Installed size: 1228 kB [09:25] <kmaraas> jdub, evening [09:26] <selinium> Wow Seveas, could you help any more people? :) [09:26] <shammy> LinuxJones, oh, ok. any idea what I can do then? [09:26] <sartas> Madpilot: but i like rythmbox more.. is it the same layout? [09:26] <dannyu502> seveas, this is what i got: dannyu502@ubuntu:~$ ndiswrapper -i /media/98 GB Disk (sda1)/Linksys Driver/WUSB54G_20040903/Drivers/WUSB54Gv1.inf [09:26] <dannyu502> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' [09:26] <Seveas> selinium, probably :) [09:26] <nox> hi how do i install this: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=17775&PHPSESSID=f6093d6c3e7f00228e7477eb3fd1349f [09:26] <meuserj|work> sartas, what problem are you having with RB importing music? [09:26] <Madpilot> sartas: pretty much the same - except it works for me, unlike Rythymbox... [09:26] <kmaraas> so, how do I get a 5.04 system onto the bleeding edge of ubuntuness? [09:26] <Seveas> dannyu502, ndiswrapper -i "/media/..." [09:26] <Seveas> use " " [09:26] <ekimus> hi, i just found that the mezzo packages from symphony os are available to install. has anyone tried them yet? [09:26] <dannyu502> ok [09:26] <LinuxJones> shammy, oh man that's an odd problem for Ubuntu, can you >> sudo phoenix << to see if it works ? [09:26] <selinium> Seveas: did you get the time to have a look at compiling wammu? [09:26] <nox> i have a .tar.gz file, and i opened it and i have 2 python scripts and one ".theme" file. how do i open it ? [09:26] <Seveas> nox, art.gnome.org/faq.php [09:27] <nox> thanx Seveas [09:27] <selinium> Anyone here had any experience with usb sound cards? [09:27] <selinium> Anyone here had any experience with usb sound cards/headphones [09:27] <sartas> meuserj: i need to import 40 gb. the damn app just shuts down and when i open itve only imported like 200mg [09:27] <shammy> LinuxJones, same problem :/ [09:27] <Seveas> selinium, thanks for the reminder, my build system got fubar, can you give me the url again? [09:27] <sartas> *200mb [09:27] <D-N-S> is there's a help book or docs for Ubuntu [09:27] <D-N-S> ? [09:27] <thewarmachine> hello folks [09:28] <Seveas> D-N-S, wiki.ubuntu.com [09:28] <D-N-S> and where i can find it ?? [09:28] <meuserj|work> sartas, I've had problems like that when I had some bad files.... [09:28] <D-N-S> ok [09:28] <sartas> Madpilot: where do i find that Muine then? [09:28] <sartas> synaptic wont find it.. [09:28] <Seveas> you might need to enable universe [09:28] <Madpilot> sartas: it's in the repos - you'll need universre/mulitverse enabled [09:28] <sartas> ive already done that.. [09:28] <meuserj|work> sartas, are you on amd64? [09:29] <D-N-S> it's on line ! [09:29] <eventualbuddha> no daemonize on ubuntu? [09:29] <LinuxJones> shammy, sometimes you have problems when using alien to convert a .rpm . [09:29] <sartas> yup [09:29] <D-N-S> any one have it as a pdf or rar [09:29] <D-N-S> ?? [09:29] <sartas> amd64 3000+ [09:29] <dannyu502> seveas, Now I got: root@ubuntu:/home/dannyu502 # ndiswrapper -i "/media/98 GB Disk (sda1)/Linksys Driver/WUSB54G_20040903/Drivers/WUSB54Gv1" [09:29] <dannyu502> sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `(' [09:29] <dannyu502> sh: -c: line 0: `basename /media/98 gb disk (sda1)/linksys driver/wusb54g_20040903/drivers/wusb54gv1' [09:29] <dannyu502> sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `(' [09:29] <dannyu502> sh: -c: line 0: `dirname /media/98 GB Disk (sda1)/Linksys Driver/WUSB54G_20040903/Drivers/WUSB54Gv1' [09:29] <dannyu502> ls: /etc/ndiswrapper: No such file or directory [09:29] <dannyu502> Installing [09:29] <meuserj|work> sartas, then no muine for you... mono is needed and there are no amd64 mono packages right now. [09:29] <LinuxJones> shammy, python is already installed on your system :D [09:29] <Madpilot> sartas: you're out of luck, I think. Muine depends on Mono, not sure if there's mono for AMD64 [09:29] <sartas> T_T [09:29] <sartas> what to do then? [09:30] <sartas> i need a app like iTunes.. [09:30] <meuserj|work> sartas, find the bad files and remove them. [09:30] <nox> Seveas, since when you have an op in here? :) [09:30] <shammy> LinuxJones, heh, but i don't know any python [09:30] <Karhuton> I have a TAR file of size 7.3 GB. After extracting the directory only contains 4.1GB of files (according to Nautilus) [09:30] <thewarmachine> I am currently using enlightenment dr17 and I was wondering why my applications dont show up? [09:30] <ekimus> Seveas: ban? why not just kick him? [09:30] <Madpilot> sartas: install the 32bit version of Ubuntu? [09:30] <Seveas> dannyu502, never paste in here... [09:30] <Seveas> ekimus, I did not ban, just mute [09:30] <Seveas> a ban with a % is muting [09:30] <sartas> Madpilot: that a little too much work.. [09:30] <LinuxJones> shammy, apt-get install diveintopython (it's a great tutroial on getting started) basic on Linux will go nowhere when there are much better alternatives. [09:30] <equex_> this is slightly offtopic, but i think you guys should see this: http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20050814/bs_prweb/prweb267050&printer=1;_ylt=A86.I1MnPgJDr3MALQU61sIF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE- [09:30] <sartas> Madpilot: isnt there any other app ? [09:30] <ekimus> ahh gotta read man irc sometime :) [09:30] <eventualbuddha> daemonizer, anyone? [09:31] <ironuckles> Seveas: where do I post the error message to? [09:31] <phinnaeus> can someone give me a copy of their repositories please [09:31] <meuserj|work> sartas, sure... amarok is good [09:31] <Madpilot> sartas: no real idea, I just found Muine and it works for me. sorry... [09:31] <Seveas> !pastebin [09:31] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl [09:31] <selinium> Seveas: Only when you have got some time. No rush! :) http://www.cihar.com/gammu/python/ [09:31] <sartas> thanks meuserj ^ ^ [09:31] <Seveas> ^-- ironuckles [09:31] <ironuckles> ok [09:31] <meuserj|work> sartas, np [09:31] <shammy> LinuxJones, ok I'll try it. but do y ou know of any apps to easily build python GUI's? [09:31] <thewarmachine> any clues as to why that happened? [09:32] <Madpilot> anyway, must go. later all [09:32] <meuserj|work> sartas, I really think your problem is bad files though.... I've hit the same problem with RB... [09:32] <MFen> so i'll just ask one more time.. anyone have hoary debs for svn 1.2? [09:32] <D-N-S> any one here use mono or dotgnu ?? [09:32] <D-N-S> plz pm me i need help ?? [09:32] <MFen> i found this.. http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-46576.html [09:32] <phinnaeus> can someone please copy their repositories for me or give me the pastebin url or something [09:32] <MFen> but it doesn't work [09:33] <Seveas> !repos [09:33] <ubotu> rumour has it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [09:33] <Seveas> ^-- phinnaeus [09:33] <LinuxJones> shammy, boa-constructor is very promising it's using Borland's Delphi as a model for it's functionality (but is still fairly young as a project) [09:33] <thewarmachine> can anyone help [09:33] <thewarmachine> ? [09:33] <meuserj|work> sartas, try out mp3check or checkmp3 to find the bad files. [09:33] <phinnaeus> thanks seveas! [09:33] <thewarmachine> . [09:33] <LinuxJones> shammy, >> http://boa-constructor.sourceforge.net/Screenshots/ it's available in the universe repo for download already [09:34] <sartas> meusjr (damn hard name xD) im gonna do that too.. [09:34] <WiZu> apokryphos: it's me again, Raymond. I reinstalled Ubuntu (even though you said not to, lol) but it didn't fix my problem. Help? :o. Maybe now that I have a fresh install, and I haven't fiddled with it (only once with the sound problem) it'll work. [09:35] <ironuckles> Seveas: Now what? How does this resolve my problem? [09:35] <reiki> ok this ain't making sense to me... I stuck a 160GB hard drive on my asus CUSL2C motherboard and it only seems to be seeing 84gigs. 84gigs isn't a bios limit that I know of. If it cut it off at 137 I could understand. Anyone else ever seen this? [09:36] <Seveas> ironuckles, did you paste the error on the pastebin? [09:36] <Seveas> if so, where? [09:36] <Exo0dus> #ubuntu -es [09:36] <Exo0dus> #ubuntu-es [09:36] <ironuckles> Yes [09:36] <Seveas> if so, where? <-- [09:36] <ironuckles> I dont understand [09:36] <ironuckles> I just pasted it [09:36] <Seveas> where..? [09:36] <ofer0> reiki, are you sure that the hard drive is not damaged? what FS you try to use on it? [09:36] <ironuckles> into the channel? [09:37] <selinium> Seveas: Is midi support coming as standard on Breezy? How would I find out? [09:37] <jesper> reiki: dont you have the full size from within linux anyway? [09:37] <LinuxJones> reiki, how old is that mobo ? [09:37] <thewarmachine> seveas you got a sec [09:37] <thewarmachine> ? [09:37] <ofer0> LinuxJones, its for P3 [09:37] <Seveas> thewarmachine, I saw the problem but I don't use E so I don't think I can help [09:37] <reiki> ofer0: I just stuck it in the machine and ran the ubuntu installer on it. Then got a grub error. Looked in bios and saw it only at about 84gigs in size [09:37] <Seveas> selinium, dunno [09:38] <LinuxJones> ofer0, oh [09:38] <ofer0> reiki, ok. who is the manufactor, and what model ? [09:38] <selinium> Seveas: So you don't know everything :) [09:38] <thewarmachine> lol [09:38] <Seveas> selinium, ssstt! [09:39] <Seveas> selinium, wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyGoals [09:39] <Seveas> check there [09:39] <luis_> I'm trying to copy a file from a windows 2000 machine to an ubuntu directory, but get an "Invalid Parameters" error - how can I get past this? [09:39] <selinium> Seveas: cheers :) ya know i'm joking, right? :) [09:39] <Seveas> /kill selinium [09:39] <Seveas> :p [09:41] <ekimus> where is something like /etc/init.d/local in ubuntu? [09:41] <reiki> ofer0: it a western digital caviar... 160gb... model is like wd1600jbrt I think... I know it's 1600jb something [09:42] <c0rrupt_> im having a prob with nessus [09:42] <c0rrupt_> the nessusd is running [09:42] <c0rrupt_> but i cannot connect to it [09:42] <Seveas> ekimus, yo can create it :) [09:42] <ofer0> reiki, check it`s jumpers [09:42] <sartas> meuserj|work: how do i use mp3check? i tried mp3check /home/sartas/music/* but it didnt work.. [09:42] <reiki> ofer0: the drive has no cyl/head info on it that I could see last night. It just says LBA. So I set the bios drive selection to LBA [09:42] <sanemadman> Hey jaded [09:43] <reiki> ofer0: all jumpers removed as it was the only drive in the system and that's the setting for master... no slave present [09:43] <theeil> ubuntu sounds a lot like debian to me, can anyone fill me in on what is different? [09:43] <Seveas> theeil: Ubuntu and debian have different goals, a different release schedule and different, but overlapping communities. See also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship [09:43] <ofer0> reiki, the only solution is to check it on another computer, and see if its damaged [09:43] <sanemadman> I have an issue setting up a wifi card - any help is appricated [09:44] <decaf> theeil: nice people, no snob devs [09:44] <kozz> do Kamion usually hang here? [09:44] <Seveas> kozz, no [09:44] <Seveas> what do you need him for? [09:44] <theeil> decaf: that's nice ;) [09:45] <kozz> he had a Pegasos package on his hopepage as I understood, just wanted a word with him [09:45] <ParisizZZ> Hmm [09:45] <ekimus> Seveas: nothing there by default? i thought it had something already. didn't wan't to pollute the system :) [09:45] <Karhuton> Is linux-image-2.6.11-1-k7 known to be broken? [09:45] <decaf> Karhuton: yes [09:45] <sanemadman> I have a broadcom 4306 chipset - windows inf file won't install properly... any suggestions? [09:46] <shammy> totem isn't playing anysound, what can i install to play videos? [09:46] <decaf> Karhuton: add 'noinotify' boot parameter to kernel, if you really need that kernel [09:46] <Karhuton> decaf, I don't - luckily [09:46] <Seveas> Karhuton, yes [09:46] <Karhuton> Just tried it to get a proper fglrx driver [09:46] <Seveas> use 2.6.20 then [09:46] <Karhuton> The one from Hoary is way too outdated [09:47] <decaf> shammy: packages called gstreamer0.8*<plugins> [09:47] <c0rrupt_> is there any reason why i wouldnt be able to connect to my nessusd [09:47] <kozz> Seveas: or just a installation kernel, but would be nice to see what he is up to [09:47] <zerboxx> Is there an easy way to do multiple renames at once? (make "lower case" into "Upper Case", and remove_those_darn_things) [09:47] <shammy> thanls decaf [09:48] <deacon> whoops, exited myself all the way to the desktop [09:48] <deacon> anyways, thanks again Seveas [09:49] <Seveas> deacon, yw :) [09:49] <Seveas> I [09:49] <Seveas> I'll add a checl for that package in the script :) [09:50] <c0rrupt_> Seveas, i was able to connect to my nessusd yesterday but now it doesnt seem to allow me to connect, any ideas why? [09:50] <theeil> zerboxx: write yourself a perl script [09:50] <Seveas> c0rrupt_, is it running? [09:50] <c0rrupt_> the nessusd is running yes [09:50] <zerboxx> The_Vox: Doing it the long way it is :D [09:51] <c0rrupt_> All plugins loaded [09:51] <c0rrupt_> bind() failed : Address already in use [09:51] <c0rrupt_> so [09:51] <shammy> decaf, I installed gstreamer through apt-get but how can i run it? [09:51] <c0rrupt_> thats what happens when i run the nessusd, it shows its already running [09:52] <c0rrupt_> tcp 0 0 *:nessus *:* LISTEN [09:52] <ofer0> c0rrupt_, ps -e | grep nessus [09:52] <ekimus> damn i need less bandwith :) [09:52] <c0rrupt_> 6986 ? 00:00:00 nessusd [09:52] <ofer0> c0rrupt_, kill 6986 [09:52] <ofer0> c0rrupt_, and try running it again [09:53] <decaf> shammy: totem is the player for gstreamer, packages you installed are plugins of gstreamer media framework. also checkout ubuntu wiki for restricted formats [09:53] <zerboxx> theeil: Doing it the long way it is :D [09:53] <zerboxx> The_Vox: Sorry, wrong nick [09:53] <c0rrupt_> ok [09:53] <c0rrupt_> that didnt work [09:54] <theeil> zerboxx: it should not be *too* hard [09:54] <MrPockets> hey, when ever i try to put something on my USB drive, it shows up, but then i unplug it and plug it back in and its not there [09:54] <zerboxx> theeil: I may test it out, but not just now :) gotta learn up on pearl first ;) [09:55] <c0rrupt_> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1241 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN [09:55] <theeil> zerboxx: i found a pdf book that gives a good intro and is not too long, you can read it in one sitting [09:55] <zerboxx> theeil: What's it called? [09:56] <c0rrupt_> anymore ideas? [09:56] <Runofthemiller85> Q. I'm trying to install Ubuntu and not having much luck. When I get to the installation screen, I hit enter. It shows 'loading vmlinux' and then maybe 'loading initrd', then my computer abruptly shuts off. [09:56] <theeil> zerboxx: picking up perl [09:56] <theeil> zerboxx: http://www.ebb.org/PickingUpPerl/ [09:57] <zerboxx> theeil: Awesome, thanks [09:57] <theeil> zerboxx: np [09:57] <c0rrupt_> boom boom boom. i want you in my room. [09:58] <Seveas> Runofthemiller85, use acpi=off on the command line before hitting enter [09:58] <dannyu502_> Seveas, when i do the "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" part it gives me an error inserting ndiswrapper and it tell me the operation is not permited [09:58] <kozz> what is the correct url for developers pages? www.ubuntu.com/~nick does not seem to work [09:58] <c0rrupt_> dannyu502_, thats because you used the wrong drivers [09:58] <c0rrupt_> run [09:59] <c0rrupt_> ndiswrapper -l [09:59] <c0rrupt_> and tell me what it says [09:59] <dannyu502_> ok [09:59] <VooDoo> alright all? [09:59] <c0rrupt_> b000m b000m b000m b0000m [09:59] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt_, it says invalid driver for all 3 i tried [09:59] <c0rrupt_> yea [09:59] <c0rrupt_> what are you trying to use it on [09:59] <c0rrupt_> what driver [10:00] <c0rrupt_> (chipset) [10:00] <dannyu502_> wusb54g [10:00] <dannyu502_> I have a linksys wireless G network adaptor [10:00] <c0rrupt_> you need to use the inf file for the windows driver [10:00] <c0rrupt_> let me find it for you [10:00] <dannyu502_> ok [10:01] <dannyu502_> how do you find it for me? [10:01] <pancho> m.ar [10:01] <c0rrupt_> google [10:01] <dannyu502_> ooooo [10:02] <InitMass> which map are you guys using in here, utf-8 or what? [10:03] <Runofthemiller85> Seveas, I tried acpi=off, and the same problem occured. Are there any other similar commands I can pass before installing? [10:03] <Phinite> hello all. [10:03] <Seveas> Runofthemiller85, yes [10:03] <Seveas> noacpi [10:03] <bunniears> hi all again. [10:03] <Seveas> noapic [10:03] <Phinite> is there a good wiki program that I can use? I have a site on my ubuntu box and want to put up a wiki on it [10:03] <Seveas> or combinations of them [10:03] <bunniears> does anyone know how i can find out what distro of debian im running? [10:04] <Runofthemiller85> I'll try. Thanks Seveas [10:04] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt_, I also tried installing wusb54gv1 and wusb54gv2 [10:04] <eventualbuddha> how do i run a script as a daemon? [10:04] <dannyu502_> and got invalid driver for both of them [10:04] <cap__> hi [10:05] <c0rrupt_> ok [10:05] <c0rrupt_> dannyu502_, [10:05] <dannyu502_> yeah [10:05] <c0rrupt_> you neeed to download the driver exe, and extract the inf file [10:05] <c0rrupt_> ftp://ftp.linksys.com/pub/network/WUSB54Gv4_20050321.exe [10:05] <dannyu502_> ok [10:06] <c0rrupt_> whats the prog name that extracts exe installers [10:06] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt_, how do i extract the .inf file [10:06] <c0rrupt_> im trying to remember the name of the prog [10:07] <dannyu502_> ok [10:07] <c0rrupt_> it extracts the installer exe's [10:07] <c0rrupt_> anyone know? [10:07] <dannyu502_> ask seveas, he probally knows it. [10:08] <rob_p> bunniears: Try this: cat /etc/`ls /etc | grep release` [10:08] <hotxSAUCE> anyone in here got wirelesss to work with ubuntu ? [10:09] <Seveas> /etc/lsb-release :) [10:09] <dannyu502_> thats what im trying to do [10:09] <Seveas> or /etc/issue [10:09] <Seveas> unzip may [10:09] <Seveas> work [10:09] <ajpr> hi all [10:09] <Seveas> id it's an sfx [10:09] <dannyu502_> Seveas, is that an answer to the prob that extracts the exe's? [10:09] <ajpr> seveas can I pm you? [10:09] <dannyu502_> prg* [10:10] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt_, whcih one of those that he lsited should I use? [10:10] <c0rrupt_> inf [10:11] <c0rrupt_> huh? [10:11] <c0rrupt_> the .inf? [10:11] <ajpr> ok quick question, does ubuntu come with any ports open as default? [10:11] <pawan> hi [10:11] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt_, seveas said to use /etc/lsb-release :) or /etc/issue [10:11] <MrPockets> is there a theme i can download to change the appearance of the tool bars and dialog boxes? [10:11] <dannyu502_> yeah to extract it [10:11] <Seveas> ajpr, sure [10:12] <ajpr> which ones? [10:12] <Seveas> dannyu502_, unzip may work if it is a self-extracting archive [10:12] <Seveas> ajpr, that was an answer to the pm wuestion :) [10:12] <pawan> can someone help me with my root password i havent set it but it is asking for a root password [10:12] <ajpr> oh right ok :] [10:12] <Seveas> Ubuntu has no ports open by default [10:12] <Seveas> pawan, what is? [10:12] <Seveas> On a default Ubuntu install nothing asks for a root password [10:12] <salil> pawan: its the same as the first user's password [10:13] <pawan> but it doesnt work [10:13] <Sav> How do i mount (with fstab) a windows share that is passwordprotected? possible to read/write? [10:13] <dannyu502_> seveas, the problem is that that driver that i am trying to extract the .inf file from open in windows only..... [10:13] <salil> can anyone help me with this.. i'm trying to install mplayer.. but i'm getting this message from synaptic [ Depends: libavcodec2 but it is not installable] [10:13] <uthini> woohoo [10:13] <dannyu502_> seveas, and it is a .exe file [10:13] <uthini> now to figure out how it works [10:14] <pawan_> how to play mp3s [10:14] <c0rrupt_> xmms [10:14] <Concord_Dawn> !tell pawan about mp3 [10:14] <Seveas> !mp3 [10:14] <ubotu> it has been said that mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support [10:14] <Seveas> dannyu502_, can you e-mail me the .exe file? [10:14] <c0rrupt_> i have cedega [10:14] <Seveas> seveas@ubuntulinux.nl [10:14] <salil> pawan: check ubuntu wiki.. for restricted formats [10:14] <c0rrupt_> Seveas, its just a win32 driver installer [10:14] <dannyu502_> seveas, ok I will send it from DUrdaneta@gmail.com [10:14] <c0rrupt_> he needs to extract the .inf file so he can modprobe it [10:15] <c0rrupt_> withh ndiswrapper [10:15] <Concord_Dawn> How can I format a disk? [10:15] <Concord_Dawn> !format [10:15] <ubotu> Concord_Dawn: Are you on ritalin? [10:15] <Seveas> c0rrupt_, the problem is: how to extract it :) [10:15] <Seveas> Concord_Dawn, mkfs [10:15] <c0rrupt_> Seveas, there is a program that does it [10:15] <c0rrupt_> i just cant rem the name [10:15] <c0rrupt_> ive used it [10:16] <Seveas> wine [10:16] <c0rrupt_> nien [10:16] <salil> can anyone help me with installing mplayer.. synaptic is showing this error - mplayer-custom: Depends: libavcodec2 but it is not installable [10:16] <c0rrupt_> google [10:16] <Seveas> salil, take mplayer-686 (or -k7 is on amd) [10:16] <salil> Seveas: thanks.. i'll try [10:17] <salil> Seveas: do i get gui with that..? [10:18] <Seveas> try gmplayer for buttons [10:18] <Concord_Dawn> her... [10:18] <Concord_Dawn> Seveas, is there a way for mkfs to support fat32? [10:18] <dannyu502_> Seveas, the mail is being sent from DUrdaneta@gmail.com.... it;s jsut taking a little while to upload. [10:18] <Seveas> mkfs.vfat [10:18] <Seveas> dannyu502_, ok [10:19] <glDaher> hi, I use synaptic, searching for FAM - File alteration monitor... attempt to install, BUT .. it requires me to remove a lot of stuff, almost everything I use... is there anyway to really check if I really have to remove them? [10:19] <Seveas> glDaher, fam is obsolete [10:19] <Seveas> hoary uses gamin instead [10:20] <humbolt> where on the web (where on ubuntu.com) can I check which packages are available for ubuntu? [10:20] <dannyu502_> seveas, hold on gmail won't let me send an .exe file "for security reasons" let me try it from comcast.net [10:20] <Concord_Dawn> Seveas, so in order to format my iPod to fat32, I'd need to do 'mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sda'? [10:20] <salil> Seveas: can you tell me how to check my internet connection rate..?? [10:20] <Sputn1k> Why gdesklets StarterBar plugin by default launch firefox with http://www1.umn.edu/twincities/index.php as home page? How can i change it? [10:20] <Seveas> Concord_Dawn, if /dev/sda is your ipod: yes [10:20] <Seveas> salil, bwm [10:21] <Concord_Dawn> :) [10:21] <Concord_Dawn> thanks. [10:21] <glDaher> Seveas: thanks a lot. I'm writing a program, so do you think many distros are using gamin ? [10:21] <Seveas> dannyu502_, alternatively: tell me the download location [10:21] <hussam> will breezy make gnome 2,12 final? [10:21] <Seveas> glDaher, afaik the API is the same [10:21] <salil> Seveas: command not found [10:21] <Seveas> hussam, yes [10:21] <Concord_Dawn> here we go. [10:21] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install bwm [10:21] <Concord_Dawn> iPod formatting. [10:21] <Doonz> how can i see who owns a file? [10:21] <dannyu502_> Seveas, ok. [10:22] <Concord_Dawn> Doonz, ls -l [10:22] <Seveas> ls -l /path/to/file [10:22] <[Spooky] > !restricted formats [10:22] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, restricted formats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs' [10:22] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt_, what was that site you gave me [10:22] <samu> will breezy be released on the first of october or something? [10:22] <Doonz> and to change owner of said file is sudo chown user file? [10:22] <Seveas> samu, 13 [10:22] <c0rrupt_> i dont remember [10:22] <c0rrupt_> lol [10:22] <Seveas> wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule [10:22] <Concord_Dawn> s***. I broke my iPod. [10:22] <samu> and upgrading from hoary is going to be how easy? [10:22] <dannyu502_> lol oooo, hold on seveas, let me find it [10:23] <Seveas> samu, very :) [10:23] <glDaher> Seveas: thanks ... you're right... quote: "Basically it is exactly like for using the fam interface. From a programmer point of view this is the same API." [10:23] <dannyu502_> ftp://ftp.linksys.com/pub/network/WUSB54Gv4_20050321.exe [10:23] <samu> like apt-get upgrade the_whole_bloody_thing ? [10:23] <dannyu502_> seveas, click that 1^^^^ [10:23] <Goodspeed> what is the best distro to run a linux half life server? [10:23] <Goodspeed> and with bare minimum resources? [10:24] <Seveas> Goodspeed, we in here will of course say ubuntu :) [10:24] <ajpr> ok 1 more question, how do you open up ports in ubuntu? e.g. for incoming connections [10:24] <dannyu502_> seveas, download this file>>>>> ftp://ftp.linksys.com/pub/network/WUSB54Gv4_20050321.exe [10:24] <Seveas> ajpr, by installing the service that needs the port :) [10:24] <Seveas> dannyu502_, working on it [10:24] <Goodspeed> well the thing is the computer im putting it on is 500 mhz 64 meg ram old hp [10:24] <dannyu502_> kk [10:24] <Goodspeed> and i want to use as few of resources as possible to try and host a source server [10:24] <Seveas> Goodspeed, install ubuntu with 'server' option then [10:24] <ajpr> ok when you say service, do you mean a program? [10:24] <Seveas> ajpr, yes [10:25] <Seveas> like a web server [10:25] <Goodspeed> is that option included on the dvd? [10:25] <Seveas> Goodspeed, yes [10:25] <humbolt> I have my ubuntu machine not in the office. can anybody check for me if Amanda and Bacula are available in ubuntu? [10:25] <Seveas> humbolt, packages.ubuntu.com :) [10:25] <Goodspeed> what would the server install do tahts different from the regular one? [10:25] <ajpr> Seveas how about when I install amule, it says my incoming ports are closed [10:25] <Seveas> ajpr, you need to forward them in your router [10:26] <ajpr> oh wait [10:26] <Seveas> humbolt, both are available [10:26] <ajpr> its working [10:26] <ajpr> now [10:26] <ajpr> mysteriously [10:26] <ajpr> heh [10:26] <Seveas> Goodspeed, it installs the bare minimum [10:26] <Goodspeed> ok [10:26] <Seveas> no GUI, no services [10:26] <Seveas> just a bare-bones install [10:26] <Goodspeed> sweet [10:26] <ajpr> thanks Seveas for all the help, ALL HAIL SEVEAS [10:26] <Goodspeed> so its just terminal then:? [10:26] <Seveas> Goodspeed, yup [10:26] <Goodspeed> awesome thats perfect [10:27] <Goodspeed> know a good place for tutorials on hlds? [10:27] <Seveas> hlds? [10:27] <Goodspeed> half life dedicated server [10:27] <Goodspeed> im guessing you dont [10:27] <Seveas> hehe, good guess :) [10:27] <Seveas> try the forums [10:27] <Goodspeed> welps as always seveas much thanks [10:27] <humbolt> how was that? universe are the least supported packages? [10:27] <dannyu502_> seveas, soooo did u get it? [10:28] <Karhuton> Goodspead, try the steampowered.com forums [10:28] <Seveas> dannyu502_, yup, looking at it now -- be patient please [10:28] <dannyu502_> seveas, of course :-D [10:28] <Seveas> dannyu502_, ah, it's a simple sfx zip [10:29] <Seveas> dannyu502_: try this command: unzip WUSB* [10:29] <dannyu502_> seveas, ok .. one sec [10:29] <salil> anyone know how to use gnome phone manager..? [10:29] <Seveas> (in the directory the exe is in) [10:29] <salil> it's not connecting with my phone [10:30] <uthini> woot cedega are can like to be setting up [10:30] <uthini> if you don't mind my asking, how many in here are south afircan? [10:30] <c0rrupt_> i know someone from south africa [10:30] <c0rrupt_> why would you thinkt hay [10:30] <c0rrupt_> that* [10:31] <dannyu502_> Seveas, ok I unzipped it, now what? [10:31] <QMari1> Seveas, how do I use the Avery label format in OpenOffice 1.1/2.0? [10:31] <alex_> I have recently release that to add extra soft (from universe for ex) we need to connect to the repositories. I wonder if I need to download something extra to plug my second screen to my laptop, I have modified my xconf.org as said in the xinerama howto and have both of my monitors working fine but not together ! [10:31] <uthini> c0rrupt_, its Mark Shuttleworth (it's primary funder) and the word ubuntu are both south african [10:31] <uthini> didn't think that the man had a gloabal scale in his pip [10:31] <QMari1> !Avery [10:31] <ubotu> Not a clue, QMari1 [10:31] <QMari1> !Botsnack [10:31] <PurpleMotion> alex_: what kind of video card does your laptop have? [10:31] <ubotu> :) [10:32] <uthini> !good ubotu [10:32] <ubotu> uthini: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [10:32] <dannyu502_> c0rrupt, ok, now that i have unzipped it what should I do? [10:32] <c0rrupt_> do you see [10:32] <Seveas> dannyu502_, go into the USB-something folder [10:32] <c0rrupt_> the [10:32] <c0rrupt_> .inf [10:32] <Seveas> then into the Drivers folder [10:32] <alex_> PurpleMotion: "NVIDIA Corporation NV34M [GeForce FX Go 5200] " [10:32] <Seveas> then select your model [10:33] <c0rrupt_> ndiswrapper -i thefile.inf [10:33] <Seveas> and go into the correct folder [10:33] <c0rrupt_> ok? [10:33] <brer_rabbit> excuse me y'all but where is the info on the ubuntu config tools? [10:33] <Seveas> and then ndiswrapper -i filename.inf [10:33] <c0rrupt_> .. [10:33] <Seveas> brer_rabbit, which config tool? [10:33] <c0rrupt_> im helping [10:33] <alex_> PurpleMotion: I appreciate you want to help me, I have been trying to do this for 3 days now [10:33] <dannyu502_> ok ahhahaha but i dont know which one it is v2 v4 or the normal one [10:33] <brer_rabbit> all of them please.... [10:33] <QMari1> Seveas, how do I use the Avery label format in OpenOffice 1.1/2.0? [10:33] <pawan> somebody help how to write cds [10:33] <Seveas> brer_rabbit, there are quite a lot [10:33] <PurpleMotion> alex_: oh, i dont know, then. im sure there's a howto on it.. the problem is simple to overcome with an ati display [10:33] <Seveas> QMari1, no idea... [10:33] <brer_rabbit> in rh there is a regular expression I can use to open the config tools [10:33] <pawan> somebody help how to write cds [10:33] <brer_rabbit> such as redhat-config-whatever [10:34] <Mez> I just had something completely muck up my home partition [10:34] <alex_> PurpleMotion: I had them working together on the same laptop under debian but I had to configure the XFCOnfig file, now it is a xorg.conf file [10:34] <Seveas> dpkg-reconfigure whatever [10:34] <brer_rabbit> is there something like that in debian...err ubuntu? [10:34] <Seveas> that's the ubuntu equivalent [10:34] <alex_> does it matter ? [10:34] <brer_rabbit> kewl thanks [10:34] <brer_rabbit> that will help a lot [10:34] <craig__> Hey [10:34] <PurpleMotion> best i can say is look on the wiki, i have no experience with nvidia drivers, i'm an ati man [10:35] <craig__> how do i make my linux into a server? [10:35] <bcc|graf> craig__, just install server software ;) [10:35] <mjr> craig, there's no magic to it, just install a piece of server software [10:35] <Seveas> craig__, by installing server software.. [10:35] <QMari1> !label [10:35] <ubotu> QMari1: I don't know, could you explain it? [10:35] <craig__> where can i get that [10:35] <QMari1> !word [10:35] <ubotu> Not a clue, QMari1 [10:35] <QMari1> !name [10:35] <ubotu> QMari1: No idea [10:36] <bcc|graf> craig__, you want a webserver for example .. install apache [10:36] <craig__> apache2triad? [10:36] <alex_> !wiki [10:36] <dannyu502_> Seveas, and c0rrupt, I got an unable to create directory WUSB54Gv4_20050321/Drivers/WUSB54Gv4/rt2500usb.inf [10:36] <alex_> !wiki nvidia [10:36] <setite> hey why is limewire detecting a firewall [10:37] <alex_> !wiki xinerama [10:37] <setite> i thought ubuntu doenst have a firewall [10:37] <alex_> !wiki xorg.conf [10:37] <c0rrupt_> it doesnt [10:37] <brer_rabbit> setite ubuntu probably uses iptables [10:37] <Seveas> dannyu502_, after which command? [10:37] <emma> ciao [10:37] <alex_> !wiki X [10:37] <Seveas> c0rrupt_,setite: Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter. [10:37] <alex_> oh f**k [10:37] <dannyu502_> seveas, after ndiswrapper -i WUSB54Gv4_20050321/Drivers/WUSB54Gv4/rt2500usb.inf [10:38] <c0rrupt_> are you abot [10:38] <brer_rabbit> setite, You probably mean a gui interface for the existing firewall rules [10:38] <Seveas> dannyu502_, sudo ndiswrapper -i ... [10:38] <setite> oh.. so it does have a firewall [10:38] <dannyu502_> ok [10:38] <scorpion> hi all [10:38] <c0rrupt_> Seveas, must be a bot [10:38] <c0rrupt_> -.- [10:38] <PurpleMotion> !dualhead [10:38] <ubotu> PurpleMotion: Are you on ritalin? [10:38] <brer_rabbit> yes what Seveas said [10:38] <Seveas> setite, yes, but by default no rules for it [10:38] <PurpleMotion> lol [10:38] <scorpion> i would like to explain a problem with hoary [10:38] <PurpleMotion> !xorg.conf [10:38] <ubotu> PurpleMotion: I don't know [10:38] <setite> is firestarter a kde app? [10:38] <ntldr> Hi. How do I close the X server? I want to install nvidia drivers [10:38] <Seveas> don't play with the bot.... [10:38] <brer_rabbit> hey ubotu I am [10:38] <brer_rabbit> ... [10:38] <PurpleMotion> setite: nope, gnome [10:38] <brer_rabbit> well ive been upgraded to oh heck what is this stuff?? [10:38] <Seveas> setite, it's a gtk app, but you can use it in kde [10:39] <scorpion> my problem is that the clock doesn't work well, it is too fast.. :( [10:39] <setite> yea i know i can.. but i try to stay true to kde :) [10:39] <salil> ntldr: Ctrl+Alt+backspace [10:39] <QMari1> PurpleMotion, please do not play with the robot. :-[ [10:39] <ntldr> thanks [10:39] <PurpleMotion> QMari1: oh you've GOT to be kidding me [10:39] <dannyu502_> seveas, ok it installed, now what is the next step? [10:39] <salil> ntldr: btw.. how did you obtain nvidia drivers..?? from the main nvidia site..?? [10:39] <Seveas> setite, then you need to find another firewalling frontend :) [10:40] <Seveas> dannyu502_, modprobe ndiswrapper [10:40] <Seveas> dannyu502_, *sudo modprobe ndiswrapper* [10:40] <scorpion> my problem is that the clock doesn't work well, it is too fast.. :( is this a BUG? [10:40] <Pilaf> hi can someone please tell me the command that i would use to burn a cd with the live cd using cdrecord... my cdburner is located at /dev/cdrom1 [10:40] <xm4r5h4llx> hey guys and gals... i have a question about wireless support for ubuntu can anyone help? [10:40] <Seveas> scorpion, a bug in your hardware perhaps... [10:40] <setite> hey are the firefox and mozilla-firefox packages any different [10:40] <scorpion> Seveas, no i've also looked at the ubuntu forums and many others have the same problem [10:40] <setite> i know thats a crazy question... but you never know [10:41] <scorpion> Seveas, under win the clock work well [10:41] <LasseL> Pilaf, try entering burn:/// in the location line in nautilus [10:41] <Pilaf> LasseL, i am burning it from an iso [10:41] <dannyu502_> Seveas i got : FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernal/drivers/net/ndwrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): operation not permitted [10:41] <Seveas> scorpion, how much faster does it go? [10:42] <xm4r5h4llx> anyone? [10:42] <Seveas> dannyu502_, install the linux-686 package (intel cpu) or linux-k7 (amd) [10:42] <willy> hi [10:42] <dannyu502_> seveas, wher do I get that? [10:42] <scorpion> Seveas, i leave the pc always on, so for example after six hours it is 15 minutes ahead [10:42] <Seveas> AlinuxOS, turn of that obnoxious away-messaging... [10:42] <LasseL> Pilaf, you want to burn an iso image? [10:43] <Seveas> via synaptic dannyu502_ [10:43] <QMari1> !abuse [10:43] <ubotu> QMari1: Not a clue [10:43] <Fanskapet> dannyu502_ did you do that in sudo mode? [10:43] <dannyu502_> ok [10:43] <QMari1> !bot abuse [10:43] <ubotu> I heard bot abuse is a bannable offense [10:43] <Seveas> scorpion, hmm [10:43] <dannyu502_> Fanskapet, yes [10:43] <Pilaf> LasseL, yes see my hd is dead, so this is all i have... this and a dump drive and i was burning an iso that i made for backup [10:43] <LasseL> Pilaf, I did that a while ago, it was incredicle simple. I downloaded the iso image to my desktop, inserted a blank cd (it appeared on the desktop) then I dragged the iso to the cd [10:43] <AlinuxOS> loooooooolz [10:43] <AlinuxOS> sorry [10:43] <Pilaf> LasseL, backup of sstem files [10:43] <AlinuxOS> testing only [10:44] <scorpion> never heard abuot this issue? [10:44] <AlinuxOS> sorry [10:44] <QMari1> Ubotu, tell PurpleMotion about bot abuse. [10:44] <Pilaf> LasseL, will it use the buffer underrun stuff? [10:44] <Fanskapet> dannyu502_ odd.. in what version of ndiswrapper? [10:44] <Seveas> scripts that generate output are not appreciated in here :) [10:44] <PurpleMotion> dude, SERIOUSLY, stuff it [10:44] <PurpleMotion> wanker [10:44] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, language... [10:44] <QMari1> Huh? [10:44] <alex_> :( no help at all for nvidia [10:44] <LasseL> Pilaf, no idea, and no idea if this will work the same way from a live ce [10:44] <Seveas> !tell alex_ about nvidia [10:44] <dannyu502_> Fanskapet, not sure... how do i check? [10:44] <PurpleMotion> Seveas: sorry.. if this guy got any more anal, he's come with his own tube of astro glide [10:44] <hotxSAUCE> alex there is an nvida driver for linux [10:45] <scorpion> alex_, use synaptic to install nvidia drivers [10:45] <Pilaf> PurpleMotion, wow someone else knows what astro glide is!!!! [10:45] <dannyu502_> Seveas, it couldnt find the Linux 686 thing [10:45] <Pilaf> lol [10:45] <Fanskapet> dannyu502_ stupied as hell the developers haven't bult in the --version parameter [10:45] <davidmc> yes there is [10:45] <fatcap> i got the weather thing on my panel [10:45] <Fanskapet> so well look at the name of the compressed file you've unpacked and compiled [10:45] <fatcap> forcast thing [10:45] <Seveas> dannyu502_, the linux-686 package should be visible... [10:45] <fatcap> how do i change the defualt location? [10:45] <alex_> scorpion: I have done all of this [10:45] <Seveas> dannyu502_, paste your sources.list on the pastebin [10:46] <alex_> the problem is not there [10:46] <dannyu502_> ok hold on [10:46] <alex_> my driver works [10:46] <alex_> I can work with both of my monitor fine [10:46] <bimberi> fatcap: right click -> Preferences -> Location tab [10:46] <alex_> but not together [10:46] <dannyu502_> seveas, lol how do i do that? [10:46] <willy> the NVidia driver wants some kernel source [10:46] <Seveas> !pastebin [10:46] <ubotu> methinks pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl [10:46] <willy> how do i get it? [10:46] <alex_> there are on the same card (i have a laptop with a VGA out) [10:46] <dannyu502_> !pastebin [10:46] <dannyu502_> ? [10:47] <scorpion> Seveas, so nobody can help with this strange system clock problem? :( [10:47] <alex_> and for some reasons when it works for one it does not for the other [10:47] <Blazer_ES> Hello [10:47] <XandriX> is ther ea kernel for k6 ? [10:47] <PurpleMotion> scorpion: what's the problem? [10:47] <Yns> Hi , I'm having problems about connecting to internet with Cnet ethernet card.Should I install a patch for kernel ? Any idea ? [10:47] <Yns> * I'm in kubuntu. [10:47] <Seveas> scorpion, I can't at least... [10:47] <Blazer_ES> Just got my Ubuntu CD's How can Install it without deleting my Windows? [10:47] <dannyu502_> seveas, what do I type in to get my sources.list [10:47] <family> if I want to move from fedora to ubuntu...and want to keep some of the files I have...how do I do that [10:48] <Sav> Ny Wifi card is a "xircom RBEM56G-100", I cant get it to work, well, read about ndiswrapper but im unsure what file to load, any hints? [10:48] <hotxSAUCE> blazer u need to read up on dual booting [10:48] <scorpion> PurpleMotion, my problem is that the clock doesn't work well, it is too fast.. :( is this a BUG? [10:48] <fatcap> i have 2 sound cards [10:48] <fatcap> :\ [10:48] <fatcap> but i have no sound [10:48] <fatcap> lol [10:48] <Seveas> dannyu502_, gedit /etc/apt/sources.list [10:48] <fatcap> how fucked is that [10:48] <Fanskapet> Blazer_ES you create two empty partitions one linux swap partition and one ext3 [10:48] <dannyu502_> k thanks seveas [10:48] <PurpleMotion> scorpion: I don't know, to be honest, but you could at least partially resolve the issue by using ntpdate to sync the clock to the right time every 5 minutes or so [10:48] <davidmc> my install went well,for the most part.....lol! [10:49] <dannyu502_> seveas, ok lol i got it but whered the little pastebin [10:49] <PurpleMotion> scorpion: google.com/linux and search for the model of your rtc [10:49] <Seveas> scorpion, ooh, ntp.... [10:49] <Seveas> scorpion, run tzconfig [10:49] <Seveas> dannyu502_, paste.ubuntulinux.nl [10:49] <PurpleMotion> i thought it was pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl [10:49] <Blazer_ES> And how do I do that ? didnt dare to touch it yet. I have one 3 HDD's Can I just choose the 3rd in ubuntu setup for ubuntu? [10:50] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, both work :) [10:50] <dannyu502_> seveas, ok i posted it [10:50] <PurpleMotion> ah [10:50] <PurpleMotion> Seveas: how about a purplemotion-rocks.ubuntulinux.nl :D [10:50] <scorpion> Seveas, tzconfig let me change timezone, it is configure correctly... [10:50] <Seveas> dannyu502_, you did not enable any repositories :) [10:51] <QMari1> PurpleMotion, do you know anything about name-tag labels and OpenOffice? [10:51] <dannyu502_> seveas, lol how do i do that? [10:51] <Tchaka> hello tous [10:51] <Seveas> dannyu502_, sudo wget -O http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d969 -O /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update [10:51] <dannyu502_> ok [10:51] <PurpleMotion> QMari1: actually, m8, I use KOffice, and I don't do much by way of making labels, sorry [10:51] <dannyu502_> lemme put that it [10:51] <dannyu502_> in [10:51] <scorpion> PurpleMotion, that solution is the first i've thinked of, how can i change the update time? [10:51] <fatcap> is there any way to make most of my windows transparent? [10:51] <QMari1> It's okay. Thank you anyway. :) [10:52] <Sav> My Wifi card is a "xircom RBEM56G-100", I cant get it to work, well, read about ndiswrapper but im unsure what file to load, any hints? [10:52] <dannyu502_> seveas I got a : wget: missing URL.... then on the next line Usage: wget [OPTION] ... [URL] ... [10:52] <salil> my kde keeps crashing.. any idea why...?? [10:52] <PurpleMotion> scorpion: put it in /etc/crontab for every 5 minutes (make sure to dump the output to /dev/null or your mail file will fill up quickly) [10:52] <fatcap> !transparent windows [10:52] <ubotu> fatcap: I haven't a clue [10:52] <Seveas> dannyu502_, my bad [10:52] <salil> kaffine.. and kde [10:52] <fatcap> !transparecy [10:52] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, fatcap [10:52] <ekimus> anyobody already tried the mezzo and orchestra desktop? [10:52] <fatcap> ubotu, i hate you. [10:52] <ubotu> fatcap: I don't know [10:52] <salil> and other programs as well [10:52] <Seveas> dannyu502_, sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d969 -O /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update [10:53] <PurpleMotion> fatcap: try transparency [10:53] <dannyu502_> ok [10:53] <scorpion> ok tnx [10:53] <scorpion> i'll try [10:53] <dannyu502_> seveas, ok. now should i search for linux 686 [10:54] <fatcap> ... [10:54] <PurpleMotion> scorpion: but you really want to look up whether or not there's a patch or a special kernel option for your RTC [10:54] <Seveas> dannyu502_, sudo aptitude install linux-686 && sudo reboot [10:54] <bkerley> is the torrent.ubuntu.com:6969 tracker down for everybody, or is it still possible for me to get the install/live dvd? [10:55] <scorpion> PurpleMotion, yeah on the forums i've readed something like kernel options noapic [10:55] <uthini> damned point to play install is possesed [10:55] <Seveas> there is a dvd mirror, see wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive [10:55] <uthini> i installed cedega [10:55] <scorpion> but was referred to laptops [10:56] <scorpion> i'm using an abit nforce2 system [10:56] <uthini> Seveas, mounted iso will act like virtual cd's? [10:56] <Blazer_ES> hmm so where can I read about dual booting? [10:56] <topyli> how do you change default fonts in tk apps? [10:56] <Seveas> uthini, not in every way [10:56] <uthini> how not so? [10:56] <Seveas> but for most purposes [10:56] <bkerley> thanks Seveas , it's a mighty fast mirror too [10:56] <Seveas> booting, cd copy checks etc only work on real cd's [10:57] <Blazer_ES> so where can I read about dual booting? [10:57] <yyc747> for some reason, ubuntu seems to be blocking ports arbitrarily. I have the ports forwarded from my router, but ubuntu refuses to accept a connection from outside my subnet. I've tried enabling the DMZ on my router, and pointing it to the machine in question, but nothing seems to work. other ports to other computers have been forwarded successfully. does anyone have any idea what's happening? [10:57] <bimberi> Blazer_ES: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo\ [10:57] <bimberi> Blazer_ES: er, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo [10:57] <uthini> gaming purposes? can i iso my run cd's and just leave them mounted? [10:57] <Blazer_ES> Thank you bimberi! [10:57] <bimberi> Blazer_ES: yvw :) [10:57] <Seveas> uthini, depends on the copy protection [10:57] <uthini> mkay Seveas, tx [10:57] <Seveas> if there is none, then yes :) [10:58] <Seveas> oterwise: maybe [10:58] <neiras> Is there a proper way to remove all backports packages from my system? [10:58] <fatcap> copy protection? [10:58] <fatcap> whats that? [10:58] <bkerley> something windows has [10:58] <uthini> some discs go funky when u try to copy them [10:58] <uthini> gfaah [10:58] <uthini> why is the P@P auto installing cedega? i already installed the thing [10:58] <uthini> funny thing [10:59] <uthini> legitimate software is always more troublesome to insall :) [10:59] <Blazer_ES> thats not how I have it, I have 3hdds and 1 can be formated for ubunutu [10:59] <uthini> P2P* [11:00] <Mez> neiras, remove it from your /etc/apt/sources.list [11:00] <filip_> is it some way i can make an icon on my desktop that make i get in to my hda5 ? [11:00] <Mez> then,, go into synaptic, adn look at the "local or obsolete" section [11:00] <Mez> and remove any with ~5.04ubp in it [11:00] <Seveas> filip_, ln -s /path/to/where/hda5/is/mounted ~/Desktop/hda5 [11:00] <Mez> neiras, why do you want to remove them [11:00] <topyli> Mez: link the mount point to your desktop [11:00] <Mez> topyli, huh? [11:01] <uthini> installing KDE for ubuntu keeps failing! do i need a faster net connection? [11:01] <topyli> drag it from nautilus, or link it like a man (like Seveas told you) [11:01] <neiras> Mez - firefox conflicts because of a bad package name, and I was looking for an updated ruby that was supposedly in backports, and is not. [11:01] <dannyu502_> seveas, ok linux 686 is now installed ..... now what is it that i do with this again? [11:02] <Mez> neiras, updated ruby WILL be in official backports [11:02] <Mez> when elmo gets round to it [11:02] <Mez> and the firefox issue = *shudderS* [11:02] <dabar> sd [11:02] <ReleaseX> could anyone help me install the latest drivers for orinoco? [11:03] <Seveas> dannyu502_, reboot [11:03] <dannyu502_> Seveas, I did [11:03] <Seveas> and choose kernel 2.6.10-5-686 when booting [11:03] <neiras> Mez - ruby on Ubuntu is broken at the moment - apps depending on Ruby on any other system may or may not work on Ubuntu, and all because the Ubuntu packagers put a Ruby prerelease in main and didn't bother to update it to stable [11:03] <neiras> Shouldn't be waiting for a backport in this situation [11:04] <savve> My Wifi card is a "xircom RBEM56G-100", I cant get it to work, well, read about ndiswrapper but im unsure what file to load, any hints? [11:04] <dannyu502_> Seveas, ok... will that b a choice on my boot manager? [11:04] <Seveas> dannyu502_, yes [11:04] <filip_> Seveas: Should it be like this ln -s /dev/hda5 ~/Desktop/hda5 ? [11:05] <Seveas> filip_, no [11:05] <Seveas> you need to mount it first [11:05] <uthini> Seveas, i'm having trouble browsing windows shares, i went onto a friends PC yesterday, but now it won't like it doesn't remember the password, or has the wrong info stored and is just defaulting to it neways [11:05] <filip_> Seveas: how can i do that then? [11:06] <Blazer_ES> During ubuntu installation will I have the option to choose wich hdd to use for ubuntu? and will Windows on the other hdd still be bootable? [11:06] <dannyu502_> Seveas, ok. Now what? [11:07] <dabar> sure, if you set it up right, Blazer_ES./ [11:07] <PurpleMotion> you're awful worried about keeping windows [11:07] <QMari1> Blazer_ES, did you use Partition Magic? ;) [11:07] <uthini> ubotu windows shares aren't loading [11:07] <ubotu> uthini: I haven't a clue [11:07] <uthini> ubotu windows shares [11:08] <ubotu> uthini: Did you get hit by a windmill? [11:08] <uthini> ubotu samba shares [11:08] <ubotu> uthini: No idea [11:08] <dabaR> !ubotu [11:08] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/ [11:08] <uthini> ubotu samba [11:08] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba [11:08] <dannyu502_> Seveas, I rebooted my computer into kernal 10.5.686 ... now what? [11:08] <oonoon> i dont have any /etc/grub.conf ... can i find the grub.conf elsewhere ? [11:08] <Blazer_ES> I have one hard drive 80gb and thats the one I want to use for ubuntu I dont want to touch the other 200gigers of windows [11:08] <dabaR> /boot/grub [11:08] <bimberi> oonoon: /boot/grub/menu.lst [11:09] <oonoon> bimberi : thanks [11:09] <PurpleMotion> be a man, nix your windows partitions [11:09] <fatcap> dont [11:09] <fatcap> your sound might not work [11:09] <Seveas> dannyu502_, retry the sudo modprobe [11:09] <fatcap> and you'll be sitting in silence like me [11:09] <dabaR> Blazer_ES: just a sec [11:09] <fatcap> :) [11:09] <dannyu502_> Seveas, ok [11:09] <PurpleMotion> oh man i think im gonna cry [11:09] <PurpleMotion> ;) [11:09] <filip_> seveas: i get it working [11:09] <dabaR> good [11:10] <PurpleMotion> Current song: 2. Techno Classical - Beethoven - Fur Elise (Trance Remix) [11:10] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, .... [11:10] <PurpleMotion> Seveas: ,,,, (heh, i quit :P) [11:10] <dabaR> ok, Blazer_ES. [11:10] <Seveas> ok [11:11] <Blazer_ES> go ahead [11:11] <oonoon> i have to change the 'vga=' in the grub.conf, but in the menu.lst i dont find such a parameter [11:11] <dabaR> Blazer_ES: you will be asked if you want to install the ubuntu over everything, or manually edit the partition table. You should choose the second, obviously. Set up the second hard drive for ubuntu, do not touch the first. [11:11] <PurpleMotion> so add it [11:11] <ReleaseX> could anyone help me install the latest drivers for orinoco? [11:11] <PurpleMotion> vga=whatever [11:11] <dabaR> Blazer_ES: one more thing, sec/ [11:11] <PurpleMotion> mine is vga=791 [11:12] <Seveas> oonoon, add it to the KOPT lines and run update-grub [11:12] <oonoon> PurpleMotion : i dont find where to change the 'vga=' line... :-) [11:12] <PurpleMotion> oonoon: do as seveas said [11:12] <oonoon> Seveas : KOPT lines ? [11:13] <Blazer_ES> How do I prepare the 80gb hdd then? Ill format it to FAT32 from windows ok? [11:13] <Kyral> hmm [11:13] <Kyral> hehe [11:13] <Seveas> # kopt=root=/dev/hda6 ro vga=773 [11:13] <Seveas> that line in menu.lst [11:13] <PurpleMotion> why would you format a linux partition fat32? [11:13] <Kyral> what the hell I'm bored and I expect breakage, but I'm a CS Major, if I cannot fix my own computer than what good am I? [11:13] <nvidhive_> does ubuntu require 128-bit WEP? cuz I cannot seem to get 64-bit werking with ndiswrapper and this Realtek8180 [11:13] <dabaR> Blazer_ES: then, at grub(boot loader) install, it will ask you if you want to add grub to mbr, and you choose, yes, I do want it. [11:13] <PurpleMotion> Blazer_ES: just put in the ubuntu cd and tell it to use the 80gb hdd, it will do what you need [11:14] <dabaR> Blazer_ES: you can format the second hard drive during install. [11:14] <dabaR> and partition, and all. [11:14] <dabaR> same as in windows install, and much better. [11:14] <oonoon> Seveas : ok , i'll do so, but is that normal that it misses ? [11:14] <Seveas> yes [11:15] <PurpleMotion> yeah, the vga= line is purely optional [11:15] <Blazer_ES> yeh but the 80gb is NTFS at the moment or does that just matter when resizing? [11:15] <oonoon> PurpleMotion: so, what's the default value it takes ? [11:15] <PurpleMotion> as different vga= lines will break different systems, it's typically omitted [11:15] <uthini> Sorry, couldn't display all the contents of "Windows Network: chidori". <--- samba browsing error, it doesn't ask me for a PW and i think it has the PW wrong [11:15] <dabaR> completely unimportant, if you are going to delete everything on it. [11:15] <uthini> how do i fix? [11:15] <PurpleMotion> the default (omitting vga= altogether) is equivalent to vga=normal [11:15] <oonoon> PurpleMotion : woouh, there's such a danger to change that ? [11:16] <PurpleMotion> not a major danger, especially with grub where you can hit a key and turn it off before it takes hold ;) [11:17] <Blazer_ES> Hmm I have another 60gig around but if I install it will be on a RAID controller while the other Windows drives are on IDE is that problem? [11:17] <Seveas> no [11:17] <topyli> oonoon: old monitors used to break but modern ones just complain :) [11:18] <oonoon> topyli : gllub, i'm scared now, what must i do if things go crazy on the boot ? [11:18] <PurpleMotion> Blazer_ES: you're overcomplicating a very simple process ;) Just throw the cd in and go :) It won't hurt, we [almost] promise [11:18] <topyli> oonoon: the monitor will probably display "out of sync" or something. you reboot and try a different kernel option [11:19] <oonoon> topyli : okok, ill try [11:19] <Blazer_ES> Ok, Ill install the 60 giger now and try and install ubuntu on to it [11:20] <Blazer_ES> Oh one last question, I have a amd64 cpu so I should definitely go for the 64bit edition right? [11:20] <ReleaseX> how can you upgrade to the 2.6.12 kernel in 5.04 using apt-get [11:20] <Seveas> Blazer_ES, not if you care about having flash and/or ndiswrapper [11:20] <Seveas> ReleaseX, not [11:20] <fatcap> hey i have some files and they are filename.o [11:21] <fatcap> what do i do with them [11:21] <fatcap> to make them work [11:21] <fatcap> :\ [11:21] <Seveas> And you really shouldn't; 5.04 is not compatible with 2.6.12 [11:21] <PurpleMotion> whats the right way to spell inna godda davida? [11:21] <PurpleMotion> like the opera song [11:22] <ReleaseX> seveas, cause i want the orinoco drivers to be updated, but i can't figure out how to install them [11:22] <Blazer_ES> So what is flash and ndiswrapper [11:22] <micocrack> alguien que me ayude [11:22] <fatcap> !es [11:22] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. [11:23] <Seveas> Blazer_ES, flash as in macromedia flash, ndiswrapper is for crappy wireless cards that have no proper linux drivers [11:23] <fatcap> what about audio cards that have no proper linux driver [11:23] <dabaR> fatcap: like? [11:24] <fatcap> please make your question a little bit more of a question. [11:24] <PurpleMotion> man and i thought *I* asked a million questions before i installed something [11:24] <dabaR> like which cards. [11:24] <dabaR> PurpleMotion: hi. [11:25] <PurpleMotion> hai [11:25] <fatcap> 0000:01:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Rockwell International: Unknown device 4310 [11:25] <ompaul> dabaR, the top of the range yahamas afik (closed source muppets) [11:25] <Concord_Dawn> fatcap, look for something similar to ndiswrapper, only for audio cards. [11:26] <fatcap> how about someone tell me what these files with the .o exenstion mean [11:26] <Kyral> Someone wanna call me stupid for upgrading to Breezy even when I know how to fix X [11:26] <fatcap> and how do i put them to work on my system? [11:26] <Kyral> .o are object files [11:26] <ompaul> fatcap, they are object files - kind of like source on the way to executable to be bundled with other stuff to make a good world [11:27] <fatcap> so how do i make my system use them? [11:27] <fatcap> because if i knew that i could prolly fix my audio [11:28] <ompaul> fatcap, it chooses to use them a part of a driver and the best book on drivers has to be the o'reilly one www.oreilly.com for a safari enabled version [11:28] <ompaul> 45 day free trial of that [11:28] <glDaher> how do I check to see if a demon (gamin) is running or not? [11:28] <Blazer_ES> So I wont be able to see flash animations with amd64 version? [11:28] <fatcap> im not trying to read a book. [11:29] <fatcap> im trying to fix my audio [11:29] <fatcap> i shouldn't have to read a book to do that... [11:29] <Concord_Dawn> yes you should. [11:29] <ethan_> Hello? [11:29] <Concord_Dawn> :-P [11:29] <Concord_Dawn> You have to read SOMETIME. [11:29] <fatcap> i have plenty of books [11:29] <ethan_> hellooo? [11:29] <ompaul> glDaher, if the name of the daemon was - afik then 'ps auwx | grep afik' [11:30] <brer_rabbit> so what do you expect fatcap everyone in here guide you for each step so that you can continue not to learn? [11:30] <ethan_> I just got ubuntu installed but I'm having some troubles [11:30] <ethan_> > [11:30] <fatcap> .... [11:30] <ompaul> !tell ethan_ about ask [11:30] <ethan_> humm.. [11:30] <ethan_> alright [11:30] <fatcap> brer_rabbit, where are you from? [11:31] <ethan_> I have an iBook 500 mhz with a little more than 300 megs of ram, and its going extremely slow... [11:31] <QMari1> Okay everyone, I figured out how to do those Avery name labels in Open Office. If anyone wants to know, you could always ask me. ;) Thank God!!! :) [11:31] <brer_rabbit> fatcap why do you ask? [11:31] <ethan_> Whenever I move the mouse with the trackpad, the mouse will lag a lot [11:31] <fatcap> just wondering [11:31] <ethan_> and not be very responsive [11:31] <glDaher> ompaul: output is daher 16180 0.0 0.1 3036 728 pts/0 S+ 00:30 0:00 grep gamin [11:31] <glDaher> which means it is running, right? or are these zeros to mean anything else? [11:31] <ompaul> QMari1, well write it down once, then you can point people to it, I guess it could be a bit oa process [11:32] <ethan_> I'm also having troubles opening any programs after i log out and later back in untill i force restart [11:32] <ethan_> ^ [11:32] <brer_rabbit> well fatcap if you are going to run linux, which is a good thing, you will need to do some reading whether it be ebooks or hardcopy books [11:32] <fatcap> ... [11:32] <ompaul> glDaher, no, that is the process that is looking for the process - see grep - grep is like a text version of 'find the following text in output that is coming your way' [11:32] <ethan_> hmm... [11:32] <fatcap> i have more books than you. [11:33] <ubuntu> wassap! [11:33] <savve> My Wifi card is a "xircom RBEM56G-100", I cant get it to work, well, read about ndiswrapper but im unsure what file to load, any hints? [11:33] <dabaR> god [11:33] <ethan_> ok... [11:33] <ethan_> My computer is running really, really slow. And I just installed ubuntu, I'm using a 500 mhz iBook [11:33] <brer_rabbit> and you would know that how fatcap? [11:33] <popey> Has anyone here had much luck giving away lots of Ubuntu CDs in the office work place? [11:34] <popey> (at work I mean) [11:34] <phreakys> hello [11:34] <ompaul> ethan_, we see that, now if anyone has an idea for you they will pass it on [11:34] <ethan_> fine.... [11:34] <fatcap> how many gigs of ebooks you got? [11:34] <fatcap> i got 12 [11:34] <fatcap> and a couple shelves full of real books [11:34] <dabaR> popey: why would an answer to that be beneficial? are you thinking of doing it, but want encouragement? [11:34] <phreakys> im trying to run pure-ftpd, but port 21 is blocked. how can i check what program is bugging that port? [11:34] <brer_rabbit> then you have no excuse do you fatcap? [11:34] <popey> I'm wondering how to word the mail to the bulletin board [11:35] <fatcap> brer_rabbit, where do you live? [11:35] <popey> "Want to give an old pc a new lease of life?" [11:35] <oonoon> pff, didn't work; the colored lines on the blank screen semed different when i added the 'vga=' but the problem remains ; except for the resolution (which changed a little bit), i think the problem of the nvidia is just present in the console mode [11:35] <popey> or [11:35] <popey> "Here, try Linux, it's quite nice" :) [11:35] <popey> wondered what strategy others have used for introducing newbies at work [11:35] <ompaul> popey, live or install, or both? [11:35] <brer_rabbit> why fatcap? [11:35] <popey> possibly non-computer experts [11:35] <popey> both [11:35] <popey> shipit sent me a wad [11:36] <dabaR> finally, a linux that is easier to install and use than windows...:-/ [11:36] <dabaR> and then explain afetr the title... [11:36] <fatcap> ... [11:36] <ethan_> And I don't know why ubuntu is using pretty much all my ram, it didn't use this much in os x.... = / [11:36] <fatcap> because i wanna see how many books you have. [11:36] <popey> :) [11:36] <fatcap> smarty pants. [11:36] <dabaR> that there are a few things that need to be learned, but it is easier to use once you get it going, and a world of new opportunity opens. [11:36] <dabaR> blah [11:36] <DanteAlighieri> Anyone know how to mount drives connected to a SATA PCI-E card? [11:36] <popey> yeah [11:36] <dabaR> later. [11:36] <brer_rabbit> fatcap... go play with your leggos an let the grownups work [11:36] <popey> marketing blurb [11:37] <fatcap> lol [11:37] <ethan_> How long is it supposed to take to shut down? Because I waited for quite a while a few times and I don't think its supposed to tak so long... = / or is it??? [11:37] <owlmanatt> What CMS is the ubuntu site utilizing? [11:37] <fatcap> just tell me where u live dude. [11:37] <fatcap> since you're so grown. [11:38] <QMari1> Are there any Linux programs that support the creation of .ico files? [11:38] <fatcap> or else quit wasting my time. [11:38] <ethan_> maybe theres some driver for the ibook trackpad to make it actually usable? Because its lagging WAYY too much.. =-( [11:38] <popey> QMari1: http://www.winterdrache.de/freeware/png2ico/index.html [11:38] <brer_rabbit> ya know usually I would but you dont strike me as a very sane individual. You want to attack when asked to read up on your simple questions and you want to brag about your superior this and that... I would rather you not know anything about me [11:39] <ompaul> popey put up the the live this week and say - Paying for software, Forget Windows try this, its called Linux, this one does not want to install it does not touch your hard drive - you can enjoy a taste without making a commitment - , if you want to take it further take them out of pile two - so then go out and put 10 there remove one yourself after an hour - remove a few more later then restock higher [11:39] <ompaul> popey, :-) [11:39] <fatcap> fatcap or else quit wasting my time. [11:39] <popey> :) [11:39] <brer_rabbit> I know what... fatcap how about /ignore... works for me [11:40] <kafeine> fatcap this is NOT the channel to brag, offence, or plain old silly being rude [11:40] <ethan_> -sigh- [11:40] <fatcap> .... [11:40] <brer_rabbit> he wont listen... [11:40] <alex_> hi [11:40] <ethan_> So is slow performance normal on a 500 mhz ibook? It takes firefox about 30 seconds to open. But usually doesn't end up opening anyways... [11:40] <MrPockets> hey fellas, can i download themes to switch up the way the tool bars or start menus look on my desktop? [11:41] <MrPockets> im kinda getting sick of the dull grey on black [11:41] <kafeine> MrPockets, yes you can [11:41] <MrPockets> what are they called? [11:41] <popey> MrPockets: yes, gnome themes [11:41] <barbas> Hi everybody! [11:41] <popey> MrPockets: http://art.gnome.org/ [11:41] <ethan_> .. [11:41] <c0rrupt_> YO [11:41] <ethan_> I'm not having a very good time with this... [11:42] <ethan_> I didn't expect it to be so slow.. [11:42] <ethan_> nobobdy has any ideas??? [11:42] <ompaul> ethan_, I have no idea, but I do suggest you try a program called memtest to check your ram that seems not the best [11:42] <popey> ethan_: I have a 500MHz PC and it's not rapid, but not too slow, but then it has 512MB of RAM [11:42] <ethan_> ok where do i get that [11:42] <popey> ethan_: it's on the ubuntu live cd [11:42] <ethan_> well... [11:42] <popey> ethan_: one of the boot options [11:42] <ethan_> I dont' wanna have to download that.. [11:42] <brer_rabbit> ethan_, open a terminal window type top [11:42] <popey> google then [11:42] <barbas> Is there anyway to mount a SMB or FTP remote server to the local filesystem and access from simple program like nano, vi, emacs etc? Is there any plant to have it included in ubuntu in the future? [11:43] <ethan_> yea thats what i've been doing brer_rabbit [11:43] <brer_rabbit> ethan_, look to see what is using all the resources [11:43] <ethan_> ok i've got it open [11:43] <brer_rabbit> you can also type free [11:43] <brer_rabbit> and look at how its set up [11:43] <barbas> Any info would be usefull [11:43] <brer_rabbit> usually debian based systems run significantly faster then rh based systems [11:43] <martin> I have an issue with vdr. When is tart it i see: vdr[12602] : ERROR: illegal OSD device handle (-1)! in the syslog [11:43] <ekimus> barbas: mount -t smbfs //path/to/remote/server /path/to/mount/point (probably use sudo or edit your /etc/fstab accordingly) [11:43] <martin> anyone knows what's wrong? [11:44] <ethan_> ~$ free [11:44] <ethan_> total used free shared buffers cached [11:44] <ethan_> Mem: 320664 263224 57440 0 12528 119668 [11:44] <ethan_> -/+ buffers/cache: 131028 189636 [11:44] <ethan_> Swap: 437584 0 437584 [11:44] <ethan_> oops... [11:44] <Bags> any folks here know anythign about PPC? [11:44] <brer_rabbit> ethan_, dont paste in channel [11:44] <ekimus> Bags: like what? [11:44] <barbas> thank ekimus I try it right now [11:44] <ethan_> well sorry... [11:44] <ethan_> ok so using about 263 megs out of 320.. [11:45] <popey> ethan_: paste your top in http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ there [11:45] <ekimus> ethan_: and that is a bad thing? [11:45] <popey> and specify no syntax highlighting [11:45] <ethan_> ok i'll try that [11:45] <popey> then paste the link it gives here [11:45] <popey> so we can see it [11:45] <Bags> ekimus, Hi. Thanks for answering. I've got a very sick G4 here. I've been trying unsuccessfully for over a week now trying to put Ubuntu on it, now it won't boot. [11:45] <Bags> I can't get to OF [11:46] <sn0n> hey guys.. couple questions.. first.. does the ubuntu installer resize ntfs and setup a dualboot with windows easily? and second.. would my aol using friend be able to connect online? (i have no experience with linux and dialup connections) [11:46] <Bags> ekimus, I can't get to the OF console [11:46] <thewob> Hi, all. Has anyone a skystar 2 DVB-Card working correctly under Hoary? [11:46] <brer_rabbit> ethan_, the 500mhz risc processor runs a bit slow but still should be able to function effectively [11:46] <brer_rabbit> you have enough memory too [11:46] <ekimus> Bags: holding c to boot the cdrom? [11:46] <Bags> ekimus, nope [11:47] <popey> sn0n: I don't think it can resize NTFS, no [11:47] <teressa> hello all [11:47] <ekimus> Bags: during boot up hold down (and keep your finger on it) c to boot from cdrom on a mac [11:47] <kafeine> sn0n, aol is easy. ntfs resizing - not gonna happen [11:47] <sn0n> well there went that convert [11:47] <teressa> I finally got GTKpod working, yay! [11:47] <teressa> But... [11:47] <teressa> I have a question [11:47] <ekimus> Bags: http://www.jacsoft.co.nz/Tech_Notes/Mac_Keys.shtml <-- have a look at these codes, they'll probably help [11:47] <Srekel> Hi, can someone help me with Jam? I've got a very simple program that basically just does std::cout, and Jam fails when it tries to link it [11:47] <kemik> sn0n: resize your partition from windows using 3rd party software, and install after that [11:47] <teressa> when I close GTKpod, I have it automatically unmounting, but it doesnt work [11:47] <teressa> it crashes instead [11:47] <teressa> What should I do? [11:47] <Bags> ekimus, I've tried the c key [11:48] <MrPockets> hey, to install Logon managers, do i just copy the gigantic code that it comes with into the termanial? [11:48] <popey> FaeWolfe: go ahead caller [11:48] <Srekel> I get this error: main.o(.text+0x14): In function `main': [11:48] <Srekel> : undefined reference to `std::cout' [11:48] <sn0n> kemik, like Partition Magic or watever its called? [11:48] <kemik> sn0n: yes [11:48] <popey> MrPockets: there should be some instructions there [11:48] <popey> sn0n: yes, pm is aobut the best one [11:48] <Bags> ekimus, I've also tried trying to boot to the boot menu, but no joy there either.. [11:48] <ethan_> popey, I can't copy it [11:48] <MrPockets> i dont see any, but ill check the website [11:48] <salil> how to add a mobile phone file system ?? [11:49] <dbernar1> do youi know what the wildcard char is for aptitude, like sudo apt-get install junior-*, but in aptitude? [11:49] <ethan_> every time i select it, the processes move and the selection goes away [11:49] <FaeWolfe> lol popey thank you I know when you're running windows there is a way to find out how much of your system resources are free.......can you check that in ubuntu? [11:49] <popey> ethan_: stop top with q [11:49] <brer_rabbit> ethan control c then scroll up n copy [11:49] <popey> FaeWolfe: top is good for that [11:49] <ethan_> good that works [11:49] <dannyu502_> seveas, ok im back. What can I possibbly do to fixmy problem? [11:49] <ekimus> Bags: have you tried to burn another cd (often just the cd's are bad, i read on the forums that a guy let the ubuntu install run for more than 48 hours, it took that long because of read errors from a bad cd) [11:49] <sn0n> lol [11:49] <teressa> Finally, you have to set up gtkpod to "eject" the iPod when it is closed. To do this, create a new file called ~/.gtkpod/gtkpod.out (create the .gtkpod directory in your home directory first) containing the following text: [11:49] <teressa> sudo /usr/bin/eject /dev/sda [11:49] <teressa> That is what I used [11:49] <FaeWolfe> popey.....top? [11:49] <teressa> but it makes me Force quit [11:49] <teressa> How should I change it?? [11:49] <salil> how do i add a mobile phone file system?? does anyone know..? [11:49] <popey> FaeWolfe: open a terminal and type "top" [11:50] <popey> salil: what phone? [11:50] <FaeWolfe> popey...thank you [11:50] <popey> FaeWolfe: no problem [11:50] <egglet> hi guys, has anyone had problems getting totem to play dvds? [11:50] <ethan_> right. [11:50] <ekimus> anyone tried to get mezzo configured on ubuntu? [11:50] <popey> FaeWolfe: there are nice gui type ones as well, but top does the job :D [11:50] <teressa> Totem Xine? [11:50] <ethan_> popey, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/338583 [11:50] <barbas> ekimus unfortunately I don't seem to have install smbmount in ubuntu hoary! I guess I have to install it from universe? [11:51] <egglet> well, at the moment i've just got the default install [11:51] <FaeWolfe> popey....as long as I can check, I don't mind if it's not a gui [11:51] <popey> egglet: yes, I followed the instructinos at http://ubuntuguide.org [11:51] <egglet> which is gstreamer i think [11:51] <salil> popey: nokia n-gage [11:51] <popey> FaeWolfe: cool [11:51] <salil> popey: QD [11:51] <Bags> ekimus, The installation seemed to be going really well. I got through to the part where it says it's now going to reboot into the Ubuntu OS and intall the rest of th epackages, but when it came back, all I got was a question mark. Then after a number of reboots, all I get is a black screen. [11:51] <popey> salil: does it use a memory card? you can put that in a memory card reader and mount that. thats what i do with my nokia 6600 [11:51] <Exo0dus> #ubuntu-es [11:51] <IcemanV9> woot!! just installed the LATEST version of OOo2 :) [11:52] <Mystery47_Newbie> hi all! [11:52] <FaeWolfe> I have been having problems with trying to run a dvd or even my mp3 player on ubuntu...I've given up for now till I know the system a lil better [11:52] <popey> ethan_: that looks okay to me [11:52] <ekimus> bachler: ouch... never saw that before sorry [11:52] <Mystery47_Newbie> I have some question about java and sound... [11:52] <bachler> erm? [11:52] <ekimus> err Bags ....ouch... never saw that before sorry [11:52] <bachler> hahaha [11:52] <ekimus> bachler: sorry (damn nick completion= [11:52] <Mystery47_Newbie> How i can get sound on net.... [11:52] <bachler> hahah [11:52] <popey> FaeWolfe: I can *highly* recommend going through http://ubuntuguide.org/ <-- those steps [11:53] <IcemanV9> salil: i just downloaded photos from the camera by using card reader this morning [11:53] <salil> popey: yes it does.. but i don't have a memory card and i was wondering whether you could load it like a filesystem thru bluetoot [11:53] <FaeWolfe> popey...I did I still get errors [11:53] <dannyu502_> Does anyone know what to do when "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" gives you a message that says FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted [11:53] <brer_rabbit> !extras [11:53] <ubotu> from memory, extras is For extra repositories, check out http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [11:53] <barbas> oh well got not time really but when I do I will do some more searching. thanks ekimus. [11:53] <ethan_> popey, Is there a specific process for the mouse? Maybe increasing the niceness priority would help. Because the mouse is freezing wayyy to much.. = / [11:53] <popey> salil: I have a friend who uses bluetooth with his nokia6600 but it uses nfs and it's a bit messy [11:53] <ilba7r> !fglrx [11:54] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, fglrx is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto [11:54] <popey> ethan_: is it a touchpad or external mouse? [11:54] <FaeWolfe> popey...I may have missed something, so I will wait till it has cooled off a bit here when I can think straight and then try again [11:54] <ethan_> popey, It is a touchpad on an iBook [11:54] <egglet> thanks for the link popey, the site doesn't seem to be working, though [11:54] <popey> FaeWolfe: good plan [11:54] <popey> FaeWolfe: good luck! [11:54] <salil> popey: i did configure the bluetooth with obex .. but.. the "bluetooth file sharing" doesn't work [11:54] <dannyu502_> Does anyone know what to do when "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" gives you a message that says FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted [11:54] <Mystery47_Newbie> some one tell me how to get sound to firefox with java.... [11:54] <dbernar1> it is aptitude junior-~n [11:54] <popey> ethan_: can you plug a mouse in? [11:54] <dbernar1> ~n is the wildcard in aptitude. [11:54] <FaeWolfe> popey tankies [11:54] <funkyHat> sorry to be annoying, but can someone try and help me again with getting ALSA to work properly? it works fine but only one program can use it at a time [11:54] <popey> :) [11:54] <salil> popey: do you use bluetooth [11:54] <ethan_> popey, No i dont have one.. = ( [11:54] <ethan_> lol.. [11:55] <ilba7r> dannyu502 you might have a module with that name already [11:55] <popey> salil: no, not on linux, because i have a memory card reader [11:55] <popey> i might have a play now you've mentioned it :D [11:55] <ilba7r> dannyu502 try uninstalling any old ndiswrapper first [11:55] <ethan_> popey, How long do you think it should take to shut down? [11:55] <popey> dunno [11:55] <popey> never used an apple laptop [11:55] <salil> popey: it was giving me problems with windows too.. [11:55] <ethan_> well with yours how much [11:55] <popey> salil: ditto! [11:55] <salil> popey: it always connected on port 0....!!! [11:56] <popey> salil: I've never got file transfer working well on bluetooth on windows [11:56] <popey> maybe linux will be better for me :D [11:56] <popey> i hope so [11:56] <Goodspeed> on a fresh install of a server version what should i run first? [11:56] <Goodspeed> apt-get install upgrade [11:56] <ethan_> What sounds like a good time it should take to shut down... [11:56] <popey> Goodspeed: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade [11:56] <Goodspeed> anything else? [11:56] <salil> popey: oh really.. .. it worked fine with mine.. but.. just that it always connected on port0.. i never could make it connect on the regular ports. !! [11:57] <Goodspeed> like enabling universe? [11:57] <popey> Goodspeed: depends what you want to install [11:57] <salil> popey: can you help me with mplayer .... [11:57] <sn0n> new question.. will ubuntu automatically use space unpartitioned (after using partition magic to make room) and setup the dual boot? (all from a n00b perspective) [11:57] <Klementas> how can I get Epiphany to save passwords I type into web sites?? [11:57] <popey> salil: I don't use mplayer, only totem and xine [11:57] <Goodspeed> i want to install HLDS [11:57] <SBanner> hey, I have a dumb question, I just got my ubuntu cds and already have winXP on my comp. how do I go about partitioning my HD to have both on there? [11:57] <popey> sn0n: it can kind of do that yes [11:58] <salil> popey: oh.. [11:58] <popey> SBanner: use something like partition magic? [11:58] <sn0n> popey, im tryin to convince a friend whos VERY non technical [11:58] <sn0n> hehe [11:58] <titaniululz> can anyone recommend a good ftp server for ubuntu? [11:58] <popey> Goodspeed: I don't know that, sorry [11:58] <popey> :) [11:58] <Goodspeed> half life server [11:58] <ethan_> ok popey , How long does it take You then to shut down... because mine just stops when it says in red Shutting down or whatever.. [11:58] <popey> titaniululz: wu-ftpd? [11:58] <popey> ohh [11:58] <salil> Seveas: i d'loaded mplayer .. and it d'loaded xmms.. but.. how do i play dvds..? [11:58] <popey> ethan_: never timed it sorry, and it's broken at the moment :( [11:58] <bigbootay> salil, dvds with viedo? [11:59] <bigbootay> err, video [11:59] <dannyu502_> ilba7r, I dont think i have any old ndiswrappers [11:59] <bigbootay> try mplayer or xine. [11:59] <salil> bigbootay: yes [11:59] <funkyHat> Seveas, can you try to help me with alsa again please? 0:-) [11:59] <SBanner> popey: where would I find it, and is it free? [11:59] <ilba7r> anyone know if my font problems with firefox and only firefox could be attributed to not installing fglrx for my ATI Raedon card [11:59] <ethan_> ok... popey but not like 5 minutes? Because with me it just took so long so i force shut down then it said error on hda3 about 100 times and wouldn't stop untill i kept the power button down... = / [11:59] <popey> SBanner: apt-cache search ftpd would be a good start [11:59] <bigbootay> or totem. never tried that one but it's in my menus [12:00] <popey> ethan_: that's not nice is it [12:00] <ilba7r> dannyu502_ the initial installation of ubuntu install those driver for you

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:39.068973

2005-08-21-#ubuntu-devel

[12:07] <seb128> 'night mvo [12:07] <mvo> night seb128! [12:49] <whiprush> sa`heal [01:12] <tseng> whiprush: wha`meal? [01:21] <whiprush> that was me typing a cheatcode for a game into the totally wrong window. :) [01:21] <tseng> cheater! [01:21] <tseng> get back to the fridge [01:21] <Nafallo> whiprush: gamer! [01:21] <tseng> damn gamers [01:24] <Nafallo> jdub: thanx for showing up, reminds me to send you mail :-). [01:34] <Nafallo> jdub: sent :-) [01:44] <Nafallo> jdub: sent to correct address (hopefully) ;-) [02:41] <mxpxpod> is gnome-screensaver going to be the default at some point? [02:45] <jdub> mxpxpod: maybe not for breezy [02:45] <mxpxpod> jdub: is there a way to get it to use xscreensaver hacks? [02:46] <jdub> yes, it supports them straight out; you have to mod some config to show them though [02:46] <mxpxpod> ah, ok [02:57] <dabaR> is anyone awake and a op at #ubuntu? just to take voice from this guy that every few minutes tells us he is away, ClipS [03:04] <ogra> mxpxpod, sudo ln -s /usr/lib/xscreensaver/bouboule /usr/lib/gnome-screensaver/gnome-screensaver [03:04] <ogra> mxpxpod, sudo ln -s /usr/share/xscreensaver/config/bouboule.xml /usr/share/gnome-screensaver/themes [03:04] <mxpxpod> ogra: ah, thanks! [03:04] <ogra> mxpxpod, would give you bouboule :) [03:04] <ogra> you can even just link the whole directory [03:05] <ogra> s/directory/directorys [03:05] <mxpxpod> now, to figure out the dpi problems I'm having with my monitor... [03:06] <mxpxpod> firefox fonts are huge and I've heard it has something to do with my xorg config [03:19] <mdz> lamont-away: around? [03:19] <lamont-away> yeah [03:19] <mdz> lamont-away: terranova and royal have either runaway live builds or stale lockfiles [03:20] <lamont> mdz: checking [03:20] <mdz> thanks [03:20] <mdz> king OTOH is chugging away merrily [03:21] <mdz> (I just tried to start a build on all three, and the terranova and royal ones are blocked on lockfile) [03:21] <LinuxJones> Can someone please pop into #ubuntu and kick ClipS he has notifications on and spams some useless bs every 2 minutes. [03:24] <lamont> mdz: terranova is mid-build on one, with one pending.... [03:25] <lamont> royal I just killed the process, give me a couple minutes, and you can probably run one... [03:25] <lamont> just a minute [03:25] <lamont> mdz: looks like royal is all cleaned up - holler if I lied [03:26] <mdz> I think I need to wait; apparently I need another cron.daily [03:26] <lamont> terranova is compressing one now, btw [03:26] <mdz> interesting [03:26] <mdz> base perhaps? [03:26] <mdz> I can't imagine desktop succeeded [03:27] <lamont> note that at 18:15 Pacific, all the chroots update, 20:15 is kubuntu, and 22:15 is ubuntu. base starts at 00:00 pacific [03:27] <lamont> yes, base [03:28] <mdz> hmm [03:28] <mdz> chroots = buildd chroots, right? [03:28] <mdz> the livecd builds create a fresh chroot each time? [03:28] <lamont> yeah [03:29] <lamont> the livecd is a pseudo-root (aka chroot) built inside of another chroot. and, uh, yeah, there might be a little bit of a race as the outer chroot is freshened in the middle of you doing something [03:30] <lamont> but the bulk of the time is spent either installing inside the inner chroot, or compressing the image, etc. running binaries that require little, and change very infrequently [03:31] <mdz> so I should be clear to trigger all 3 once this upcoming cron.daily finishes? [03:31] <shaya> mdz: http://hdaps.sourceforge.net/ you guys should keep on an eye on this [03:31] <shaya> hd active protection system support for thinkpads [03:31] <lamont> mdz: I would expect so [03:31] <mdz> shaya: mjg59 is probably interested [03:32] <mdz> lamont: do the builds not exit+cleanup when they receive a signal? [03:32] <mdz> last week I lost the ssh connection for the trigger and the lockfile stayed around forever [03:32] <mdz> (until I got infinity to clean it up) [03:34] <mjg59> The hdaps driver isn't actually useful until we get ide-queue freezing into the kernel [03:35] <mxpxpod> ok, why isn't mkisofs creating ISO 9660 format isos? [03:35] <lamont> mdz: ew [03:36] <mxpxpod> mkisofs -J -R -iso-level 3 -input-charset iso8859-1 -o blah.iso ma101_v2.4.zip [03:36] <mxpxpod> isoinfo -i blah.iso CD-ROM is NOT in ISO 9660 format [03:37] <shaya> mjg59: game input! [03:37] <shaya> :) [03:38] <mjg59> shaya: Hnngh. [03:38] <shaya> mjg59: you never played marball madness? :) [03:38] <shaya> or any of those labrynth games [03:38] <mxpxpod> has anyone seen that problem on breezy? [03:44] <mdz> mxpxpod: it would be better to ask on #ubuntu [04:12] <mdz> lamont: also, I'm still getting a 403 on http://king.buildd/~buildd/livecd/kubuntu/current/livecd.kubuntu.manifest [04:12] <lamont> mdz: yep. [04:12] <mdz> lamont: is that just because it hasn't built in a while? [04:12] <lamont> pretty much - see the other window [04:12] <mdz> oh, hell [04:12] <mdz> all my CD builds have been broken because permissions on little's mirror are broken [04:12] <mdz> drwxr-sr-x 2 cjwatson cdimage 4096 Aug 15 20:34 /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/ftp/dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/ [04:12] <mdz> elmo: still awake? [04:12] <mdz> I like how it goes on to build the ISOs and everything and acts like it succeeded [04:12] <elmo> unfortunately [04:12] <mdz> elmo: can you bail me out? was planning to spend the rest of the evening trying to make colony 3 [04:13] <elmo> mdz: I chmod g+w'ed ftp/ [04:13] <mdz> thanks [04:25] <mdz> there is an elmo40 over on #ltsp [04:25] <mdz> how confusing [04:25] <elmo> I can be elmo400 if it'd help [04:26] <mdz> elmo3.14159 [04:59] <infinity> Why wake up and work, when you can wake up and fight with your computer? Yay. [05:06] <dilinger> infinity: who's winning? [05:09] <bob2> not england! [05:12] <infinity> dilinger : Well, it's booted now and I'm typing on IRC, which is a distinct improvement. [05:14] <calc> anyone know if the lib32 amd64 stuff is going to get libstdc++.so.6 soon? [05:14] <dilinger> infinity: maybe you need to move up a weight category. wanna fight my 280? :) [05:15] <fabbione> morning [05:16] <infinity> dilinger : I'd love to, but I assume no one's managed to wrangle hosting for it yet. [05:16] <dilinger> :/ [05:17] <dilinger> stephen was working on it, but i haven't heard any status updates lately [05:20] <infinity> Meh. Just ship it to me. Of course, intercontinental shipping for a machine that big probably costs more than the machine itself is worth. [05:46] <mdz> infinity: any idea what happened to the kubuntu livefs build on king? [05:47] <mdz> infinity: it exited successfully, but didn't produce a cloop, and the log file sort of ends abruptly in the middle of what otherwise looks like a successful run [05:47] <mdz> Setting up ttf-bitstream-vera (1.10-3ubuntu1) ... [05:47] <mdz> Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file [05:47] <mdz> Regenerating fonts cache... [05:47] <mdz> (END) [05:50] <infinity> mdz : Neat. No idea, but I'll poke at it right now. [05:50] <mdz> I hope it didn't run out of disk or anything fun like that [05:50] <infinity> 52GB free right now. [05:50] <infinity> If it did, it's since righted itself. [05:50] <mdz> terranova exited successfully after 43 minutes and left a 0-byte logfile and no cloop [05:51] <infinity> Wow, you're getting all sorts of love today. [05:51] <mdz> such is my lot [05:52] <mdz> these are the rewards of building milestone releases [05:52] <mdz> on the bright side, the ubuntu ones actually built and mostly work [05:52] <infinity> kubuntu looks uninstallible anyway. [05:53] <infinity> mdz : Erm, which build on king died mid-sentence? [05:53] <infinity> mdz : All the logs look complete to me. [05:54] <mdz> kubuntu [05:54] <mdz> livecd-20050816.3-amd64.out [05:54] <mdz> oh, whoa [05:54] <mdz> it's complete now [05:55] <infinity> Output buffering of somee sort messing with your head, perhaps? [05:55] <infinity> Anyhow, you have 2 or 3 builds in a row with a log shockingly similar to that one. [05:56] <mdz> I checked it well after the ssh exited [05:56] <infinity> Weird. [05:56] <mdz> yeah, I've uploaded a kubuntu-default-settings now which should fix that [05:57] <infinity> Oh, terranova is mid-build right now.. [05:57] <mdz> oh? the trigger exited [05:57] <infinity> A quick poke at the previous log leads me to believe that you'll fail with the same problem as king, though. [05:58] <infinity> The trigger could have exited cause you lost your connection, I suppose. [05:58] <infinity> Are you triggering from home, through chinstrap? [05:59] <infinity> Cause I lose connectivity over the proxy all the time. [06:00] <infinity> And there it fails. Same as the log on king. [06:01] <mdz> amd64 install, amd64 live and powerpc install are all releasable by Colony standards [06:02] <infinity> 3 out of 6 ain't bad... :) [06:02] <mdz> if folks could download and test the current i386 daily install and live CDs, that would be helpful [06:02] <mdz> infinity: well, 100% of what I've tested so far ;-) [06:02] <Lathiat> i'll rsync mine up now [06:02] <Lathiat> whats the rsync server? [06:02] <Lathiat> rsync::cdimage.ubuntu.com ? [06:04] <Lathiat> ah, indeed [06:13] <mdz> +1 powerpc-live [06:16] <fabbione> hey mdz... [06:16] <fabbione> mdz: i saw you are planning to release Colony 3 [06:16] <fabbione> what's the ETA for it? [06:16] <mdz> fabbione: it's 2/3 tested [06:17] <mdz> 2/3 tested by me that is [06:17] <fabbione> mdz: ok great... [06:17] <mdz> it needs more testing by other people [06:17] <mdz> like yourself :-) [06:17] <fabbione> mdz: meh.. i am still catching up on all the stuff post-holidays but yeah.. i can give i386 a shot [06:18] <fabbione> mdz: is i386 published already? [06:22] <mdz> +1 i386-live [06:23] <mdz> known bugs: oo.o2/amd64 doesn't work, virtual console switching on the live CD is messed up so you don't see all of the messages, and the keyboard layout on the live CD isn't properly guessed [06:23] <mdz> but it's been so long since we had a proper milestone that I don't consider those showstoppers [06:24] <mdz> I'd really like to fix the keyboard layout thing on the live CD if I have time, but I expect I won't [06:25] <ajmitch> ouch, 5k/sec rsync [06:26] <mdz> hopefully that means lots of people are quietly testing ;-) [06:26] <ajmitch> I hope so :) [06:27] <mdz> I got about 250kbyte/sec on my set [06:28] <ajmitch> wget is doing about 30K/sec, so it could just be congestion somewhere [06:29] <fabbione> i guess Global Crossing is actually doomed... [06:29] <fabbione> i can't even connect to .uk from .dk [06:35] <ds> I just accidentally uploaded a sid package to the ubuntu queue. does this matter greatly? [06:35] <bob2> presumably it will be rejected for having an invalid suite name [06:36] <ajmitch> and for being a binary package [06:36] <ds> ok, cool [06:41] <mdz> and because your key isn't in the keyring [06:41] <mdz> that upload is doomed several times over ;-) [06:45] <mdz> infinity: my livefs build script just bailed (due to a bug in the script) and given past behaviour, I suspect the running builds, if any, either continued on or didn't clean up after themselves. could you check? [06:46] <infinity> mdz : Any specific arch/target? [06:46] <mdz> infinity: kubuntu x3 [06:47] <infinity> Looks to be still running, yes. [06:47] <mdz> all of them? [06:49] <infinity> Erm all except for powerpc, cause I can't reach the host.. [06:49] <infinity> Ugh. [06:52] <infinity> You broke royal, didn't you? :) [06:53] <infinity> elmo : Royal fell over. Are we ready for a new kernel yet? Huh, huh? [06:53] <mdz> I sincerely hope elmo is asleep [06:54] <mdz> +1 i386-install [06:54] <mdz> I am 6/6 with the above caveats [06:55] <infinity> He claims to be asleep, yes. On the other hand, he seems to dilingently review nick hilights when he wakes up. [07:10] <mdz> kubuntu/amd64 looks pretty happy [07:18] <fabbione> infinity: any idea why redhat cluster suite build log is not on people? [07:18] <fabbione> (for ppc) [07:18] <fabbione> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/r/redhat-cluster-suite/1.20050815-0ubuntu1/ <- [07:19] <mdz> anyone tested the daily yet? [07:20] <fabbione> mdz: still rsyncing here.. i have bw issues with global crossing towards uk [07:20] <Lathiat> mdz: im getting the i386 daily install and live atm [07:20] <Lathiat> rsync is nearly done on the install [07:28] <infinity> fabbione : Because it's still building? [07:28] <fabbione> infinity: meh.. i did upload it yesterday... [07:28] <fabbione> is ppc lagging behind? [07:29] <infinity> Hrm. It built. Curious. [07:30] <infinity> Never got uploaded (the binaries or the log..) [07:33] <infinity> Oh well, will fix. [07:33] <fabbione> ehehhe [07:33] <infinity> Probably has something to do with the 6 gig mail messages we were shoving around a day or two ago due to an infinite loop in a chroot. [07:33] <fabbione> ROTFL [07:34] <HrdwrBoB> nice work [07:37] <Lathiat> heh nice [07:39] <Burgundavia> mjg59, that standard format is paying off [07:40] <Lathiat> what standard? [07:40] <jsgotangco> whoa that's a lot of community entries [07:41] <Burgundavia> Lathiat, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Template [07:42] <Lathiat> oh [07:42] <Lathiat> right [07:46] <infinity> Oh, FFS. [07:46] <infinity> Maybe if postfix had been RUNNING on ross, the logs would have gotten off the machine. [07:46] <mike_douglas> I've creating a package for a python program that uses distutils. In setup.py, the program tries to check for dependencies. Should I remove this part since it isn't needed to build the package and rather specify it under "Depends:"? [07:47] <infinity> It's a good safeguard to make sure you got your biuld-depends right, why remove it? [07:47] <Lathiat> mike_douglas: it shouldnt be removed, you should have both [07:49] <mike_douglas> alright, thanks. [07:56] <infinity> fabbione : rhcs rescued, thanks for the heads-up. [07:59] <Mithrandir> mdz: it's ok for you if I upload the new casper with unionfs support (and turned on by default) as soon as the kernel udebs for unionfs are in the archive? [08:00] <infinity> Mithrandir : You might want to wait until he's blessed the current builds as "good enough" for colony 3. :) [08:00] <infinity> (Just a guess, though) [08:01] <mdz> Mithrandir: please don't [08:01] <Mithrandir> infinity: well, we need a new kernel which needs NEW love so it's not "today", it's more "tomorrow or so". [08:02] <Mithrandir> mdz: what about post-colony3? [08:02] <fabbione> infinity: thanks [08:02] <mdz> Mithrandir: feature freeze was last thursday [08:03] <mdz> I thought it was understood that that was a "maybe if we can squeeze it in before feature freeze" sort of item [08:03] <fabbione> humpf... [08:04] <Mithrandir> mdz: ok. Do you want me to finish up the automount integration I've started on, or should that wait? [08:05] <mdz> Mithrandir: same story; it's time to run with what we have [08:05] <mdz> the preview release is sooner than you think [08:05] <Mithrandir> mdz: sure, I meant more so it's ready for breezy+1, but if you've got other stuff I should concentrate on, please tell me [08:06] <mdz> Mithrandir: first priority is to get oo.o2 working on amd64 [08:06] <Mithrandir> that's just a missing dependency, but I'll get to that straight away. [08:06] <mdz> it's very important [08:08] <mdz> after that, fixing the d-i->xorg keyboard autodetection in the live CD [08:08] <mdz> basically, the caveats for colony 3 [08:08] <mdz> which is going to go out despite these warts [08:12] <mdz> though I would like at least one confirmation that it works for someone other than me [08:13] <Mithrandir> I can test live, but I don't have a spare box for testing installs on yet. [08:19] <mdz> I reverted all the debconf-copydb stuff from casper and went back to the old way of doing it, and still it doesn't work properly [08:19] <mdz> it's beet bitrotting so long that it's probably been broken in more than one way [08:20] <Mithrandir> I'll give it a shot after doing ooo2-amd64 [08:20] <Mithrandir> ls [08:20] <Mithrandir> argh [08:23] <doko> good morning [08:25] <Mithrandir> doko: should ooo2-core (on amd64) depend on or recommend lib32gcj6? [08:29] <doko> Mithrandir: should be put in the same places as java-gcj-compat, i.e. -base. you can use most things without java in -writer. If you depend on it, then you should add java-gcj-compat as well. [08:30] <Mithrandir> doko: so we should really have a java-gcj-compat32? [08:32] <doko> Mithrandir: No, we don't need a 32bit java interpreter at the moment [08:33] <pef> morning [08:34] <doko> Mithrandir: -core should depend on lib32stdc++6 [08:35] <Mithrandir> doko: already done [09:02] <infinity> 19 out of 20 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file [09:02] <infinity> That's what I like to see, oh yeah. [09:05] <pitti> Good morning [09:06] <fabbione> hey pitti [09:07] <Lathiat> ah nice [09:07] <mdz> I don't see language-selector in any menu [09:07] <mdz> where should it be? [09:08] <mdz> oh, it's there on the live CD [09:08] <mdz> but not on my desktop for some reason [09:13] <fabbione> mdz: i am going to upload the new ocfs2 tools as soon as you release Colony 3 [09:13] <fabbione> mdz: the kernel stuff will follow immediatly after [09:13] <mdz> gah [09:14] <mdz> powerpc live CD builds are broken [09:14] <mdz> presumably due to royal being fucked [09:14] <mdz> infinity: I don't suppose we have a fallback plan [09:15] <infinity> mdz : Do we have one? No. Can I work something out in the short term? Probably. [09:15] <mdz> infinity: if we can put the cloop image at some other URL, I think I can make that work [09:16] <infinity> Right, but that depends on me building said image on another machine first. That's the rub. [09:16] <infinity> Let me go fiddle with adare. [09:16] <mdz> the image we have is fine; I don't need to build a new one [09:16] <mdz> in fact I don't want to [09:16] <mdz> because I tested that one [09:16] <mdz> I just need to wrap it up in a new CD [09:16] <infinity> Oh. Well, then, do you have a copy of it somewhere? [09:16] <mdz> it's in the .iso on little; I can extract it from there [09:17] <infinity> Then I guess you're set. :) [09:17] <mdz> if you can put it at <somehost>/~buildd/livecd/ubuntu/current/blahblah that would make it trivial for me to get it going [09:17] <mdz> otherwise I need to mangle the scripts [09:17] <infinity> Sure, toss it on chinstrap with an MD5SUM, and I'll stick it on adare. [09:18] <infinity> If you do need new live images, however, it looks like adare is still (more or less) configured to make that happen, so holler if you need something freshened up before royal comes back. [09:19] <mdz> infinity: http://chinstrap/~mdz/filesystem.cloop [09:22] <infinity> http://adare.buildd/~buildd/livecd/ubuntu/current/livecd.ubuntu.cloop <-- That good enough for you? [09:23] <mdz> looks right [09:23] <mdz> let me get an md5sum to confirm [09:23] <mdz> yep [09:23] <infinity> 1b9ee5f74f4041baade173264e96d613 current/livecd.ubuntu.cloop [09:24] <mdz> yeah, I just checked it [09:24] <infinity> :) [09:24] <infinity> Rock. [09:24] <infinity> Back to being pitti's slave then, if you're done with me. [09:24] <mdz> gah, I've been preempted by colin's scheduled daily build [09:25] <mdz> and I think that one generates jigdo files, too [09:25] <mdz> which means it takes AGES [09:25] <infinity> Never try to outsmart cron? [09:25] <infinity> Assuming his daily started when the archive was in the state you wanted it, it should be good anyway, no? [09:25] <infinity> Or was it too early? [09:25] <mdz> I think I've probably been screewd by the livefs builds too [09:25] <mdz> well, it's an install CD build [09:26] <infinity> Ahh. [09:26] <mdz> I don't even need an install CD build; the install CDs are good [09:26] <mdz> but we can't do two CD builds in parallel [09:26] <infinity> Bah, who needs infrastructure anyway. [09:26] <mdz> I'm going to have to do this in the morning [09:27] <infinity> You'll probably be happier about it then, anyway. Staying up late and banging one's head against the same wall tends to hurt after a while. [09:27] <mdz> oh, that's the best part, it's an unending sequence of entirely different walls tonight ;-) [09:28] <infinity> Well, at least you've had variety, then. :) [09:28] <Mithrandir> mdz: ooo2-amd64 which should work out of the box just uploaded, I'm going to start fight the xorg-keyboard problem now. [09:28] <mdz> Mithrandir: ok, then tomorrow we can do new install and livefs builds [09:28] <mdz> and 2 of my 3 caveats about colony 3 can be removed [09:28] <pitti> Moin seb128 [09:29] <paolo> 'morning! :-) [09:29] <infinity> mdz : Oh, like THAT will work. [09:29] <mdz> infinity: better? [09:29] <Lathiat> haha [09:29] <infinity> mdz : Something more like "seb128 : Please stop uploading for 2 days" might be better. [09:30] <seb128> hey pitti mdz infinity [09:30] <infinity> mdz : I'll pester elmo about getting royal alive as soon as I see him, but if it's a no-go, adare will be ready for you by tomorrow. [09:30] <mdz> infinity: I am fairly confident that I know which bits need twiddling in order to do royal->adare on my side [09:31] <seb128> infinity: he, that's not fair, I'm not uploading a lot for some days because of colony 3 :) [09:31] <infinity> mdz : Heh. Good. Then I just need to make sure it's ready to build breezy livecds. Looks like the last live run adare did was hoary. [09:33] <fabbione> oh well.. time to upload a new kernel with ABI change... [09:33] <pitti> fabbione: just sent you a reply, everything settled? [09:33] <mdz> fabbione: I know where you live [09:34] <fabbione> pitti: looking at it now.. [09:34] <fabbione> mdz: that will give me at least 12 hours to hide in another corner of the world :P [09:34] <mdz> fabbione: I don't need to do my own dirty work [09:35] <fabbione> mdz: eehhehe [09:35] <seb128> fabbione: if you go with a new linux I go with the new cairo and its soname change, he can't track 2 people in the same time :p [09:36] <fabbione> seb128: never underestimate the dark side of the force, young padowa [09:36] <mdz> good night [09:36] <fabbione> night mdz [09:36] <infinity> mdz : 'Night. [09:36] <mdz> I will sleep with one eye open to watch you two [09:36] <fabbione> pitti: dude.. the stuff you did send doesn't match what i have [09:36] <jsgotangco> lol [09:36] <mantiena> mdz, what is Ubuntu Express status ? [09:37] <seb128> 'night mdz! [09:37] <pitti> fabbione: hm? it's still the same list, I added two new issues (one not for you) and a CAN [09:37] <pitti> night mdz [09:37] <Burgundavia> jdub, mako if you need help with admining ubuntu-users, contact me [09:37] <fabbione> pitti: meh ok.. but CAN-2005-2457 is not part of zlib... [09:37] <fabbione> . Fix check input buffer size in zisofs. [09:38] <pitti> fabbione: zisofs doesn't use zlib? [09:39] <pitti> meh, ok, I clean up the can assignments [09:39] <fabbione> "This uses the new deflateBound() thing to sanity-check the input to the [09:39] <fabbione> zlib decompressor before we even bother to start reading in the blocks. [09:39] <fabbione> " [09:39] <fabbione> it's an "extra" step on top of zlib [09:40] <fabbione> pitti: doesn't really matter.. it's all fixed here.. [09:40] <pitti> ok, thankjs [09:40] <fabbione> i need to check one thing only... [09:40] <fabbione> pitti: 2456 is for the XFRM stuff... [09:41] <fabbione> did herbert extra patch got a CAN or is still part of 2456? [09:41] <jdub> Burgundavia: *boggle* [09:41] <fabbione> or should we mark it as stolen from head? [09:41] <Burgundavia> jdub, both you and mako travel a lot. I don't. Makes sense [09:41] <pitti> fabbione: ah, you mean Herbert's additional capability check? [09:41] <fabbione> pitti: yes [09:41] <fabbione> i understood that 2456 was for that patch [09:42] <pitti> fabbione: I don't have a CAN for this one yet [09:42] <jdub> Burgundavia: i was just thinking about how best to ask for helpers [09:42] <fabbione> pitti: ok.. so i will mark it as XXXX :) [09:42] <jdub> Burgundavia: like, only an hour ago or so [09:42] <fabbione> no big deal [09:42] <pitti> fabbione: yes, it's an additional check in the same coe [09:42] <pitti> code, even [09:42] <fabbione> pitti: yes i saw that... [09:43] <\sh> does anybody has a nice pointer to some good docus about creating udebs? [09:43] <Burgundavia> jdub, I recently sent 2 messages for -users, which I don't currently follow. Then I realized that they will probably never hit the lists because you and mako have no time to approve it [09:43] <jdub> yep [09:44] <jdub> if you don't follow it, do you really want to moderate it? [09:44] <jsgotangco> lol [09:44] <jsgotangco> i bet ubuntu-users has a ton of spam [09:44] <Burgundavia> jdub, I am about to start following it [09:44] <jdub> heh [09:44] <Burgundavia> indeed [09:44] <jdub> it's fucking insane traffic-wise [09:45] <jsgotangco> i only see a fraction in ubuntu-doc but its getting on my nerves sometimes [09:45] <jsgotangco> its usually chinese text [09:45] <jsgotangco> heh [09:46] <Burgundavia> oh, and that and about half the gnome mailing lists [09:46] <Treenaks> jdub: have you seen my planet-addition-request? [09:47] <jdub> Treenaks: yeah, but been travelling :-) [09:47] <Treenaks> jdub: ah, didn't know that :) [09:47] <jsgotangco> mmm tuxmagazine poll [09:47] <Treenaks> jdub: you're back on the right side of the date-line now? :) [09:48] <jdub> i think it's regarded as 'left' ;) [09:49] <Treenaks> jdub: hm.. you're right.. the left side is the right side :) [09:49] <jdub> i should put nicks on planet ubuntu [09:49] <jdub> i should also not use plone css [09:49] <jdub> bah, now you've got me fixing things :) [09:49] <Lathiat> mmm plone [09:49] <Lathiat> ask davyd about plone [09:49] <Treenaks> it should also underline links :) [09:49] <jdub> it'll do that once i kill plone css [09:52] <jamesh> jdub: a good proportion of launchpad.css is designed to undo plone.css ... [09:52] <jdub> heh [09:53] <fabbione> pitti: CAN-2005-2548 is only for warty. Both breezy and hoary are not affected (at code level at least) [09:53] <\sh> jdub: First 'nick' Lastname is good change for the planet [09:53] <jdub> \sh: i'll probably do it the same way as planet gnome [09:54] <\sh> jdub: rock :) [09:54] <Treenaks> jdub: btw, planet is _easy_ :) [09:54] <Treenaks> jdub: running a few of my own now too [09:55] <jdub> Treenaks: cool :) yeah, love it :) [10:17] <seb128> infinity: are some CD builds running and we should upload anything, or pushing new poppler/evince is fine as far as it doesn't break? [10:30] <pitti> fabbione: I know, it says "Breezy: n/a, Hoary: n/a, Warty: vuln" [10:30] <pitti> fabbione: should mean "not affected", sorry for the acronym [10:33] <carlos> pitti, morning [10:34] <fabbione> pitti: meh i read: Breezy: n/a, Hoary: n/a, Warty: n/a [10:35] <pitti> Hi carlos [10:35] <carlos> pitti, I was able to generate .po files for firefox [10:35] <pitti> cool [10:36] <carlos> pitti, but we will need en-US.xpi included into the language pack package [10:36] <carlos> pitti, it's needed to get from it the msgids [10:36] <pitti> carlos: sure, we can include it into m-f-locale-en :-) [10:36] <carlos> well [10:36] <carlos> pitti, it's already included by default into mozilla tree [10:36] <pitti> carlos: but we can always extract it from the main deb, right? [10:37] <carlos> pitti, and I don't need it installed, just available from the source package [10:37] <pitti> carlos: ok, it should already be in the source [10:37] <carlos> pitti, Not sure if the main package has the .xpi package, I see a .jar file (the file that the .xpi contains) [10:37] <carlos> but the .jar file does not work, we need the .xpi [10:39] <pitti> carlos: ok, that shouldn't be a problem [10:39] <carlos> perfect then. [10:39] <pitti> carlos: let's take this into a private discussion to not clutter up the chan [10:40] <carlos> I don't have anything else to talk about now, I'm going to dump my research into the wiki and will take later, ok? [10:42] <\sh> wow...another new ubuntu user in this company [10:50] <_koke> mako: have you already discovered how to make sangria?? [10:51] <Treenaks> _koke: it's on wikipedia [10:51] <Treenaks> _koke: (the recipe, that is) [10:51] <_koke> :D [10:51] <Lathiat> bugs with livecd -> [10:51] <_koke> mako: look at http://olea.org/la-receta-de-la-sangria/ [10:51] <Lathiat> no network setup [10:51] <_koke> for a graphic one :9 [10:51] <Lathiat> asks for X resolution, doesnt include my resolution in the list of defaults (had 1024x768, 640x480 selected, im 1680x1050) [10:52] <Lathiat> -> has a notice about having to restart becausea new kernel was installed [10:52] <Lathiat> -> the "please press enter to activate this console" isnt cleared before switching to it to boot [10:52] <Lathiat> and thats it [10:54] <mdke> mjg59, ping? [10:58] <Nafallo> doko: pong [11:02] <mvo> anyone of the backports guys around? [11:03] <Lathiat> mdz: do you want to know about livecd bugs? [11:03] <seb128> he's sleeping [11:03] <Lathiat> ah ok [11:03] <seb128> but I guess he wants to know about bugs when he wakes up [11:03] <Lathiat> hrm also when i alt-tab to firefox the window goes black until i stop alt tabbing or alt tab off that window [11:04] <Lathiat> indeed [11:04] <Lathiat> was more wondering who the right person to hassle is [11:04] <Lathiat> also totem doesnt start [11:06] <Burgundavia> mvo, if the user breaks something with backports, you can close the bug [11:07] <seb128> Lathiat: doesn't start, like "crash"? [11:07] <mvo> Burgundavia: well, I would like to have givem him advice to fix the situation. it's the old "python-xdg" backport problem [11:07] <Burgundavia> mvo, you can do both. and point them at malone, as we support ~hoary backports now [11:08] <mvo> Burgundavia: oh, nice, thanks [11:08] <Burgundavia> mvo, done for you [11:11] <mvo> Burgundavia: is there documentation somewhere how users are supposed to assign a bug against a backports repository? I would like to point my bugreport to it [11:11] <Lathiat> seb128: errors out about not being able to create initialize video [11:11] <Lathiat> seb128: but also has some ugly deref glib errors on the console [11:11] <Lathiat> also, the reboot item from gdm doesnt work [11:11] <Lathiat> and what kernel module makes /dev/input/mice because for some reason when i boote back to my system i dont have one [11:11] <Treenaks> Lathiat: restart udev [11:12] <Lathiat> Treenaks: what caused that? [11:12] <Lathiat> (cause it makes X fail to start) [11:12] <Treenaks> Lathiat: I had that last week, but it's solved now for me [11:12] <Treenaks> Lathiat: so I have no idea.. [11:12] <Lathiat> weird [11:12] <Burgundavia> mvo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BugResponses [11:12] <Burgundavia> mvo, last response about universe, change to backports after copying [11:14] <ogra> mvo, does mdz know about #13496 ? [11:14] <ogra> mvo, i heard he plans to roll colony 3 after he gets up today [11:15] <Burgundavia> ogra, you have about 6 hours to fix it then. It is 2am here [11:15] <mvo> thanks Burgundavia! [11:15] <Burgundavia> mvo, np [11:16] <Burgundavia> ogra, always trying to helpful ;) [11:16] <sivang> morning all [11:16] <mvo> ogra: I don't know if he knows (or not), but it shouldn't be hard to fix aptitude [11:16] <pitti> Hi ogra [11:16] <ogra> ah, ok [11:16] <ogra> moin pitti [11:16] <sivang> hey ogra ,pitti [11:16] <sivang> Burgundavia: are you hungry already ? :) [11:16] <pitti> ogra: can you please merge the outstanding Edubuntu reports to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue? [11:16] <ogra> pitti, sure... [11:17] <pitti> thanks [11:19] <mvo> pitti: what do you think about adding a wordlist package to language-support-$lang? (#2132)? [11:19] <pitti> sure, no problem [11:20] <pitti> mvo: you mean wngerman, for example= [11:20] <pitti> ? [11:20] <mvo> pitti: yes [11:21] <seb128> does anybody has the spellchecking stuff working atm with evolution/gedit by example? [11:21] <seb128> the list of dicts are empty here [11:22] <sivang> seb128: the saem ehre [11:22] <sivang> err [11:22] <sivang> seb128: the same here [11:23] <sivang> bon jour seb128 :) [11:23] <seb128> hi [11:23] <sivang> seb128: it also finds ANY word as mispelled word [11:26] <seb128> that's because it has no dict [11:27] <seb128> who is working on spellchecking tools? doko? [11:27] <doko> seb128: yes, Nafallo is doing some work as well [11:28] <seb128> doko: any idea of why no dictionnary is listed by evolution/gedit/... [11:28] <seb128> I've aspell and aspell-en installed [11:28] <seb128> aspell-fr too [11:29] <doko> seb128: no [11:29] <seb128> k, thanks anyway [11:30] <seb128> Nafallo: maybe you know about the issue? [11:30] <sivang> seb128: I'm in a chroot, does it matter? [11:31] <Nafallo> seb128: aspell-en should work fine, aspell-fr is being worked on right now :-). [11:32] <seb128> Nafallo: does evolution or gedit list an english dictionnary for you? they don't here [11:32] <seb128> ii aspell 0.60.3-5 GNU Aspell spell-checker [11:32] <seb128> ii aspell-en 6.0-0-5 English dictionary for GNU Aspell [11:33] <seb128> $ aspell dicts [11:33] <seb128> en [11:33] <seb128> ... [11:34] <Nafallo> seb128: they do here, with same versions [11:34] <seb128> bah [11:34] <seb128> I had some bugs about that already [11:34] <seb128> that's weird [11:35] <seb128> grumpf [11:35] <seb128> after moving ~/.aspell* that works fine [11:35] <seb128> and for french too [11:35] <\sh> hmmm....trying to build bittorrent-gui against libwxgtk2.6-0-python...lets see... [11:36] <seb128> $ cat .aspell.conf [11:36] <seb128> lang french [11:36] <seb128> this file breaks the list of dicts [11:36] <Lathiat> i hate that stupid gui, it wont let you get more than 3 torrents at once, wont let you run a torrent seeding past the configured ratio and keeps nagging me to donate [11:37] <seb128> Nafallo: .aspell.conf with "lang french" breaks the list of dict, just moving it somewhere else fixes the issue [11:37] <\sh> Lathiat: and I was confused why bittorrent package is in main, and one of the resulting bin packages is in universe [11:37] <Lathiat> \sh: heh [11:39] <JaneW> does anyone know what's happeneing, if anything, with the ShtoomVoip BreexyGoal, was listed as Thom's...? [11:39] <JaneW> Breezy I mean [11:39] <ogra> ARGH [11:39] <\sh> JaneW: yes [11:39] <Lathiat> i think thats been deferred [11:39] <ogra> who edits the main inclusion queue ? [11:40] <JaneW> \sh:? [11:40] <\sh> JaneW: doesn't look good...and I need to find a new machine where I can setup a new SIP Express Router [11:40] <JaneW> Lathiat: oic... [11:40] <pitti> ogra: not me [11:40] <\sh> so it will be breezy+1 [11:40] <JaneW> ShtoomVoip is still listed as WIP - must I make it deferred? [11:40] <pitti> ogra: you have the lock ATM [11:41] <JaneW> and does it have a new owner? \sh? you perhaps? [11:41] <Lathiat> \sh: im willing to help out with that goal [11:41] <\sh> JaneW: no...it's thom..I just worked on the server base [11:41] <Lathiat> as i have some experience etc with voip stuff [11:41] <JaneW> ok, is thom still active on it? [11:41] <Lathiat> i thought thom left? [11:41] <ogra> pitti, yes, but i ran out inbetween... [11:41] <\sh> woot? [11:42] <JaneW> Lathiat: indeed he did [11:42] <pitti> ogra: I made a quick change recently, but I didn't see a lock at that time; sorry [11:42] <JaneW> Lathiat: that's why I am a little confussed [11:42] <\sh> JaneW: please update me [11:42] <JaneW> \sh: on what? [11:42] <\sh> JaneW: what is with thom?..when he left.. [11:42] <JaneW> lemme find out more... [11:42] <ogra> pitti, nope, it was Riddell-awa, i just wasnt fast enough [11:43] <\sh> JaneW: cause when he's not around anymore for this..."dear god, I don't have any clue on shtoom" [11:46] <JaneW> \sh: well it seems you're IT ;) [11:47] <mjg59> mdke: Hi [11:47] <JaneW> thom confirmed that he is not working on it... so it currently has no owner or action [11:47] <\sh> JaneW: ok... [11:47] <ajmitch> lucky \sh :) [11:47] <ajmitch> btw hi ;) [11:47] <\sh> JaneW: so make it breezy+1 [11:47] <mdke> mjg59, hi. I got an email from a guy with a T43, although with a slightly different spec. He asked what is the best way for him to help, should we work on the same wiki page? or should he do a separate one? [11:48] <\sh> and upgrade the owner to \sh [11:48] <JaneW> \sh: seriosly can I put your name there, AND yes that was my next question must I mark it as deferred? [11:48] <mjg59> mdke: A separate one might be good for now [11:48] <\sh> JaneW: yes seriously and yes to breezy+1 [11:48] <JaneW> \sh: ok cool thanks - and congrats :) [11:49] <ajmitch> \sh: it's good to see people volunteer :) [11:49] <mdke> mjg59, cool. he's the third guy who has emailed me with help about the thinkpad :D what a community... [11:49] <\sh> hmmm [11:49] <\sh> what did i do.. [11:49] <\sh> anyways [11:49] <ajmitch> \sh: signed away your soul, it's best if you don't think about it [11:49] <jsgotangco> its best to be silent as well *wink* [11:50] <Lathiat> \sh: well if your interested on working with it.. give me a yell. [11:50] <Lathiat> unfortunately shtoom has terrible latency [11:50] <Lathiat> im not sure its suitable [11:50] <Lathiat> that or need to figure out why [11:50] <\sh> ok...I need an appartment in durban, I need some furniture, fast internet connection and a visa and a working permit ... [11:50] <Lathiat> to my local asterisk server an echo test has 2s latency, with a hardware phone its instant [11:50] <\sh> JaneW: can you arrange this for me in ZA ,-) [11:51] <JaneW> \sh: np [11:52] <\sh> JaneW: ah...and a new job of course..and some tickets for the plane.. [11:52] <JaneW> \sh: anything else? [11:52] <JaneW> :P [11:52] <\sh> JaneW: a new life *lol* [11:52] <ajmitch> \sh: you won't need a life, you'll be too busy hacking [11:52] <JaneW> \sh: I need one of those [11:52] <ogra> pitti, hmm, after i added all edubuntu stuff at the top of the lists, had 2 heart attacs because i lost the lock two times, i just recognized someone already has put all edubuntu stuff there alerady [11:54] <\sh> JaneW: one of those? [11:55] <JaneW> \sh: new life - mines a bit frayed and burned out atm [11:55] <pitti> ogra: is everything really already promoted? [11:55] <ogra> tuxpaint: MainInclusionReportTuxpaint (Edubuntu, cannot be promoted until sdl-image1.2 is in main) ??? [11:55] <pitti> ogra: or did you pick the wrong queue? [11:55] <ogra> pitti, thats sdl-ttf2.0 [11:55] <\sh> JaneW: oh yes, I know this feeling... [11:55] <ogra> not sdl-image1.2 [11:55] <pitti> ogra: please put the stuff in the unreviewed queue, not in "accepted and promoted" [11:56] <\sh> JaneW: take some time of.. play with husband+kids, have a trip to mauritius [11:56] <ajmitch> pitti: about selinux - pam's patch was big & intrusive, and passwd needed recoded to handle security context for /etc/shadow properly :) [11:56] <JaneW> brb coffee break, but please keep the goal updates coming - we need to get them all grean by the time mdz wakes up ;) [11:56] <ogra> pitti, so only the 5 left from desktop and the server stuff ? ok [11:56] <JaneW> s/grean/green [11:56] <pitti> ajmitch: we are past feature freeze, so no selinux for breezy anyway :-( [11:56] <JaneW> \sh: I'd LOVE to do that [11:56] <ajmitch> pitti: I know, just explaining why I didn't get it to you for review before FF :( [11:58] <\sh> JaneW: me too (c) aol.com... [11:58] <\sh> lunchtime now...laters ladies & gentlemen [11:58] <Treenaks> \sh: good idea :) [12:02] <pitti> seb128: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportCdrdao [12:04] <pitti> ogra: I also need to edit the queue... [12:05] <seb128> pitti: thanks [12:05] <pitti> seb128: does it work? does the /dev/cdrecorder issue (the malone bug) actually hurt? [12:06] <seb128> the duplicate stuff from nautilus works, so I guess it doesn't hurt no [12:06] <seb128> I'll play with that though [12:06] <pitti> seb128: I think we should definitively fix the O_EXCL thing [12:07] <seb128> hum, yeah [12:09] <marco_g> hi [12:10] <pitti> ogra: are you still actually editing? [12:11] <ogra> pitti, done [12:12] <marco_g> Is there an ubuntu team/channel for graphical designs? [12:12] <Mithrandir> marco_g: yes and yes, #ubuntu-artwork (iirc) [12:12] <tseng> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtTeam [12:12] <marco_g> I am working on GRUB2 and I don't have a clue about grapical design, interface design, etc. [12:12] <marco_g> Mithrandir: Cool, thanks :) [12:13] <marco_g> tseng: Thank you. [12:15] <ajmitch> hey marco_g [12:15] <marco_g> hey ajmitch :) [12:16] <pitti> ogra: please do not put reports for packages that are still in universe into "accepted and promoted" [12:16] <pitti> ogra: i. e. gartoon [12:17] <ogra> pitti, i didnt [12:17] <ogra> i didnt touch accepted and promoted at all [12:18] <pitti> ogra: hm, who did? [12:18] <ogra> looking ate the history.... [12:19] <ogra> pitti, thats what i meant, i put my stuff on top and fter 10 mins formatting work i recognized they were at the bottom already and reverted my change [12:19] <pitti> ogra: then this was rather an accident, I suppose [12:19] <ogra> but i cant see it in the history... [12:21] <ogra> pitti, err, why got gcompris promoted already ? libassetml0 is missing.... [12:21] <pitti> ogra: anastacia will detect thus [12:21] <pitti> this [12:21] <ogra> sure, but it wont build :/ [12:21] <pitti> not? [12:22] <ogra> libassetml0 is a build dep... gnuchess is only a dep [12:25] <AndyFitz> tseng, cheers for the ref [12:25] <pitti> ogra: hm, ftgl does not have a dynamic library? [12:26] <ogra> pitti, i dont see one... [12:27] <ogra> pitti, FTGL binds OpenGL and FreeType together in order to offer and easy to use [12:28] <ogra> and flexible text rendering library. [12:28] <ogra> it seems to only glue between two existing libs [12:28] <pitti> ogra: yes, but packages which b-dep on it statically link against libftgl.a [12:29] <pitti> ogra: if this were a security sensitive lib, it would be a reason for rejection [12:29] <ogra> yes, it produces a -dev binary.... odd [12:29] <pitti> however, it seems uncritical, so I approved it [12:29] <pitti> this also resolves blender [12:29] <ogra> i wonder how such packages get into debian [12:29] <ogra> yay, thanks pitti :) [12:32] <ogra> pitti, please dont touch schooltool and friends for now, it seems mark approved a new upstream version, i have to see the packages first.... [12:33] <pitti> ogra: can I reject www-config-common for now, and you remove the dep and sort this out with Adam? [12:33] <ogra> pitti, *sigh* yes ... :) [12:34] <pitti> ogra: and I can remove the Edubuntu subpage link? [12:34] <ogra> yup... its all on the queue site [12:50] <Nafallo> sabdfl: ping [12:52] <infinity> seb128 : Not sure if anyone else answered you, but go ahead and upload your fixed packages iff you're sure they won't break. If you catch a build at the wrong time, there's nothing stopping me from restarting it. [12:52] <pitti> Riddell-awa: here? [12:55] <seb128> infinity: k, thanks [12:56] <mvo> pitti: isn't riddel at kde conference or something? [12:56] <pitti> yes, but he seemed to answer some questions [12:57] <mvo> ogra: normal ubuntu daily install has the same problem as edubuntu (#13496) [12:57] <mvo> pitti: ah, k [12:58] <mjg59> \sh: Could you possibly file bugs on the problems you're having with Breezy? [12:58] <ogra> mvo, yes, i suspected that... i already mailed mdz about it so he doesnt wildly start rolling colony images :) [12:59] <mvo> ogra: thanks [01:04] <doko> Mithrandir: s/java-gcj-compat/lib32gcj6/ , not added? [01:04] <Mithrandir> huh? [01:05] <doko> Mithrandir: your changelog [01:05] <Mithrandir> doko: it would be very useful if you stuck some pronouns and verbs into your sentences. :-P [01:06] <doko> Mithrandir: substituted java-gcj-compat with lib32gcj6, not added it? [01:07] <doko> Mithrandir: oh, in OO.o2-amd64 [01:08] <ogra> infinity, a minute about wwwconfig-common ? [01:09] <pitti> let him fix PHP first! :-) [01:09] <ogra> heh [01:09] <pitti> (just kidding) [01:10] <ogra> probably someone else has a opinion, if i create the postgres db without wwwconfig-common, i have to use sudo -u postgres psql ... in the postinst... or is there any other way ? i dont want to make moodle depend on sudo... [01:11] <pitti> ogra: that's my playground [01:11] <infinity> ogra, pitti : Give me 10-15 mins to grab and eat some food, then ping me again. [01:11] <pitti> ogra: I /msg [01:11] <doko> Mithrandir: $ strings /usr/lib/openoffice2/sunjavaplugin.so | fgrep gij [01:11] <doko> bin/gij [01:11] <doko> bin/gij-4.0 [01:11] <ogra> yup [01:12] <ogra> infinity, i'm fine with the mysql stuff, i'll get it sorted... its enough if you just review it in the end ;) [01:13] <Mithrandir> doko: I have no idea what you are trying to tell me, could you _please_ speak in complete sentences rather than throwing seemingly random pieces of information at me and trying to make me puzzle it together myself? [01:15] <infinity> ogra : Then get pitti's advice on the pgsql stuff, yes. And you want su, no sudo. [01:15] <infinity> s/no/not/ [01:15] <ogra> infinity, i want neither ;) [01:17] <chmj> shackan: ping [01:17] <pitti> infinity: right [01:17] <doko> Mithrandir: It's the same terse style as you did use in your changelog for the OO.o2 amd64 upload. I did ask for the reason, why you substituted the java-gcj-compat dependency with lib32gcj6 ? What is unclear= [01:18] <doko> s/=?/ [01:19] <Mithrandir> doko: no, there wasn't a single "why" in any of the things you said. [01:20] <doko> I didn't mean "when" ... [01:21] <Mithrandir> doko: I understood you that lib32gcj6 was needed for java to work correctly with ooo2-amd64, but if that wasn't your intention, why can't you just say that? [01:21] <\sh> mjg59: ping [01:23] <doko> Mithrandir: I did say that, please say http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-August/009674.html [01:23] <doko> s/say/see/ [01:23] <\sh> mjg59: I will start to file bugs during the weekend..when I get my usb dvdrom to test the rest of the list (dual boot, resizing etc.) [01:26] <mjg59> \sh: Ok, cool [01:26] <mjg59> Could you link to bugs about the bluetooth, acpid and ethernet problems? [01:30] <JaneW> mjg59: ping [01:31] <JaneW> mjg59: can you give me a line or 2 to use to update the LaptopMission goal please? It's still WIP right? [01:32] <Nafallo> daniels: morning :-) [01:33] <Lathiat> Nafallo: heh [01:33] <Nafallo> Lathiat: what? :-) [01:34] <ogra> Nafallo, its late evening in .au ;) [01:34] <Nafallo> baah. listen to jdub, it is _always_ morning! :-) [01:35] <Nafallo> daniels: when will xmodmap hit the archive? :-) [01:35] <Treenaks> Nafallo: no, that's only in Australia [01:35] <Nafallo> Treenaks: in my appartment to ;-) [01:36] <daniels> Nafallo: i don't know [01:37] <Nafallo> daniels: oki. I will have to just /try/ to read me friends swedish-without-correct-chars a while longer then ;-) [01:37] <Nafallo> s/me/my/ [01:37] <mjg59> JaneW: Laptops are being sent out, we're getting feedback [01:37] <Simira> mjg59 : the laptops for the testing team... are they models where there are known to be problems...? [01:37] <mjg59> Simira: Nope [01:38] <Simira> mjg59 : Ok. I've got lots. Haven't even managed to get a decent installation yet... [01:39] <mjg59> Simira: Cool. Please file bugs. [01:39] <Simira> mjg59 : and I've tried 3-4 times each day since friday... bugs are coming... [01:39] <mjg59> Simira: Heh [01:39] <JaneW> mjg59: ok, thanks [01:42] <Treenaks> Simira: breezy is/was very broken until a few days ago [01:42] <Simira> Treenaks : I downloaded a new version yesterday. Same faults. [01:44] <Treenaks> I'm still waiting for shipment [01:44] <ajmitch> Treenaks: a few people are, I think [01:46] <\sh> mjg59: sure :) [01:47] <pitti> doko: is libhsqldb-java still required in main? [01:47] <\sh> Simira: what laptop do u have? [01:47] <Simira> \sh : HP nc8230 [01:47] <JaneW> is anyone working on Xen? [01:48] <Mithrandir> JaneW: Fabio has done some stuff on it, at least [01:50] <\sh> Simira: what r the problems? [01:53] <Simira> \sh : uhm... want a list? If I try to install without turning off frambuffer, the screen goes black shortly after loading installation tools. The laptop won't reboot automatically after the first part of installation (ctrl-alt-del doesn't work either), and then it halts on different points of loading and installing packages. Mainly. [01:54] <\sh> Simira: hoary or breezy colony 2? [01:54] <Simira> \sh: I use the daily build of breezy. [01:54] <\sh> I think it's time to spend some minutes on "how to build installation media for ubuntu" and provide "special laptop kernels" ,-) [01:55] <\sh> Simira: try colony 2 :) this is my testing env [01:55] <Simira> \sh : ok, what's the difference? Laptop kernel? ;) [01:56] <\sh> Simira: Oh it starts with: have a laptop without a cd/dvd drive and ends up with "kernel oops when wifi interface is switched off" ,-) [01:56] <ajmitch> \sh: ideally there'd be no need for a different kernel :) [01:56] <hunger> \sh: when I asked about laptop kernels I was yelled at for being stupid;-) [01:56] <siretart> fabbione: shall the sparc get linux 2.4 or 2.6 kernels? [01:56] <fabbione> siretart: 2.6.12 please [01:57] <fabbione> siretart: use the Debian packages.. they work fine [01:57] <fabbione> there is no need to compile anything [01:57] <\sh> ajmitch, hunger: right..but as fabbione told me, some drivers or patches are refused by upstream...and when I checked the patches for the portege laptop, they were all refused by upstream ,-) [01:57] <fabbione> or i will install the ubuntu ones.. [01:57] <siretart> ok. will install with 2.6 sarge d-i [01:57] <hunger> \sh: with the centrino being so common nowadays I still think that is a good idea (at least having a pentium-m optimized kernel) [01:57] <fabbione> either way works for me [01:57] <siretart> ok [01:57] <doko> pitti: yes [01:57] <fabbione> siretart: note that if you install sarge, we can upgrade to breezy ;) [01:58] <hunger> how is network configuration currently done in breezy? the "debian" way does no longer work for me and network manager just seems to sit there doing nothing, too. [01:59] <siretart> fabbione: whatever suits better, you just have to tell me ;) [01:59] <fabbione> siretart: it's the same for me.. go for sarge.. [01:59] <fabbione> we will touch delicate parts together [02:05] <hunger_> Was there a comment to my network question? My compi crashed once again:-( [02:05] <mvo> ping pitti [02:06] <hunger_> linux is just so damn unstable on this box... or is it X? [02:06] <ogra> pitti, language-pack-gnome-en, language-pack-gnome-en-base seem to be MIA on the CD images is that intentional ? [02:06] <pitti> MIA? [02:06] <mvo> missing [02:06] <ogra> missing in action :) [02:06] <Nafallo> in action [02:06] <mvo> is that a seed problem? [02:06] <pitti> ogra: I know the Debian term, but it didn't fit :-) [02:06] <Nafallo> :-) [02:07] <pitti> mvo: yep, these packages are not seeded yet [02:07] <pitti> mvo: thanks for the reminder [02:07] <pitti> mvo: I will fix the support packages now, then seed the rest [02:07] <mvo> pitti: thanks [02:07] <pitti> grmpf [02:07] <pitti> # apt-cdrom -m add [02:07] <pitti> Found 0 package indexes, 0 source indexes and 1 signatures [02:07] <pitti> edd: Unable to locate any package files, perhaps this is not a Debian Disc [02:08] <pitti> erm, sorry, my fault [02:08] <JaneW> what happened to FontHandling? [02:09] <ajmitch> JaneW: it didn't really get going [02:10] <Seveas> elmo, sabdfl, the CC meeting wants to be started, please come to #ubuntu-meeting :) [02:11] <JaneW> ajmitch: pity - so it is doomed to be deferred? [02:11] <infinity> hunger_ : network-manager is currently a no-go. As for issues with getting your network configured via the normal means, that's most likely an #ubuntu question. [02:12] <pitti> Mithrandir: you know that openoffice.org2 is uninstallable in breezy? [02:12] <hunger_> infinity: The config did work till after the update I did friday night after spending a week AFK. [02:13] <hunger_> infinity: I was wondering whether some NM-related changes went in or something. [02:13] <daniels> JaneW: also, XRoadmap should be marked as deferred [02:13] <hunger_> infinity: And somehow you never get a decent answer to breezy-questions in #ubuntu anyway. [02:13] <JaneW> daniels: ok [02:14] <Mithrandir> pitti: it installed fine for me? [02:14] <daniels> JaneW: i assume firefox is just going to shower me in hate, so if you could please mark that as deferred, that'd be great, thanks [02:14] <Mithrandir> pitti: what does it fail on? [02:14] <JaneW> daniels: np, doing it right now... [02:14] <pitti> Mithrandir: I currently tried in a clean and up to date breezy amd64 dchroot [02:14] <daniels> JaneW: ta [02:14] <ajmitch> JaneW: sad to say, yes [02:14] <JaneW> daniels: but wasn;t that what was holding the build up? or was that just X not a whole roadmap? [02:16] <infinity> JaneW : The whole X roadmap hasn't been deferred, just parts of it. Where it currently is is a (reasonably) useable state, just not quite where we wanted it to be. [02:16] <JaneW> daniels: reason? Deferred to Breezy+1 - no time to complete for Breezy? [02:16] <JaneW> daniels: ok well then part will stay in WIP, and I'll add a deferred section [02:17] <Lathiat> daniels: what will firefox shower you in hate about? [02:17] <daniels> JaneW: what's done now is done, and everything else has been deferred to breezy+1 [02:18] <daniels> Lathiat: segfaults every time I try to edit hte wiki [02:18] <JaneW> daniels: ok, the part that's done , is it still being tested or is it 100% complete? [02:18] <Lathiat> daniels: oh, right [02:18] <daniels> JaneW: still a couple of warts but largely complete [02:19] <JaneW> daniels: ok, I'll make it implemented - when the warts are gone it can be complete ;P [02:19] <daniels> JaneW: heh [02:20] <sivang> can someone please remind me the order of dpatch-edit-patch args? $1 = new patch, $2 = last old in 00list or vice versa? [02:20] <Mithrandir> pitti: well, what does it fail on? [02:21] <pitti> Mithrandir: I /msg'ed you [02:21] <\sh> daniels: need help? ,-) [02:21] <daniels> \sh: hah [02:23] <sivang> daniels: lol, I wasn't aware it had an help option :) [02:24] <Mithrandir> mdz: can you promote libstdc++6 to main? It's needed by ooo2-amd64 [02:25] <ogra> Mithrandir, main inclusion report .... [02:25] <infinity> Mithrandir : Uhm, it's in main. [02:25] <infinity> Mithrandir : Half the archive depends on it. [02:25] <Mithrandir> uhm [02:25] <Mithrandir> mdz: lib32stdc++6, I meant. [02:25] <Nafallo> *s* [02:25] <infinity> That makes more sense. :) [02:26] <Mithrandir> heh [02:33] <pitti> doko: any idea why so many aspell packages are uninstallable? [02:34] <doko> pitti: we are fixing these at the moment [02:34] <pitti> doko: the installable ones depend on aspell, the uninstallable ones on libaspell15c2, is that the reason? [02:34] <Nafallo> pitti: they need a transition which I've started to help out with. they will be fine ASAP (girlfriend leaves today ;-) ) [02:34] <pitti> doko, Nafallo: ok, great [02:34] <pitti> thanks [02:47] <doko> Mithrandir: should lib32gcj6 be included in main as well? [02:48] <Mithrandir> doko: I guess that makes a bit of sense, yes. [03:01] <doko> elmo: please sync python-tz from unstable (2005i-2) [03:01] <mjg59> mdz: I have a grub patch for you [03:03] <Lathiat> i just put a ubuntu ppc livecd in my x86 laptop [03:03] <Lathiat> is it normal to have a screwed directory listing? [03:03] <Lathiat> all items are '????????' [03:04] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, why the heck would you want to do that? :P [03:04] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: trying to see if any more of my ubuntu cds had the wrong image pressed on them [03:04] <ajmitch> Lathiat: hoary live cd? [03:04] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh [03:04] <Lathiat> its ok i ejected adn stuck it back in and its fine [03:04] <Lathiat> weird [03:05] <ajmitch> odd [03:06] <Lathiat> ah i see what happened [03:06] <Lathiat> vmware took the dont eject bit off [03:06] <Lathiat> and it was mounted [03:06] <Lathiat> so i replaced the cd [03:06] <ajmitch> heh [03:06] <Lathiat> and i guess it was all confused [03:06] <seb128> elmo: can you drop evolution-data-server1.2 and pyphany packages? [03:12] <sivang> seb128: could you remind me what's the meaning of -1 as an index in launchpad_integration_add_items ? [03:12] <sivang> seb128: s/index/position/ [03:13] <seb128> * position. If the position is negative, then it is used as an index [03:13] <seb128> * from the end of the menu. [03:13] <seb128> * The 3rd and 4th arguments are used to say whether to add a separator [03:13] <seb128> * before and/or after the items. */ [03:13] <seb128> that's the comment from the source file [03:14] <seb128> so -1 is 1 from the bottom of the menu [03:15] <sivang> seb128: darn, I forgot it also has an .h file :) thanks [03:15] <seb128> np [03:24] <\sh> hmmm.. [03:24] <\sh> nowxmsg is not in libwxgtk2.4-1-python [03:24] <\sh> strange [03:37] <pitti> infinity: whoa, what's wrong with the powerpc buildd? [03:37] <pitti> infinity: wrong clock as it seems [03:38] <elmo> probably 'cos I hard powercycled it [03:38] <pitti> ah, ok [03:38] <pitti> Hi sabdfl [03:38] <sabdfl> hiya [03:39] <ajmitch> hi sabdfl [03:39] <sabdfl> hey ajmitch [03:40] <ajmitch> afternoon mvo, how are you? [03:40] <mvo> hey ajmitch! I'm fine, but todays kernel upgrade shuffled my interfaces around :/ [03:46] <Lathiat> mvo: hrm that shouldnt happen [03:46] <Lathiat> mvo: at least, if they were there when you installed [03:47] <mvo> Lathiat: yes, both where there and in this order for a long time [03:47] <Lathiat> hrm [03:47] <Lathiat> see /etc/iftab [03:53] <infinity> pitti : Oh, royal? [03:54] <infinity> pitti, elmo : Clock looks okay to me. [03:55] <elmo> yeah me too, not sure what pitti's talking about [03:55] <pitti> infinity: http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/ shows a whole bunch of failed builds [03:55] <infinity> Oh, there's an easier explanation for that. [03:55] <ogra> pitti, not the fault of http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/ ;) [03:56] <infinity> They all did fail on the day stated, but didn't get mailed until today, cause postfix wasn't running. [03:56] <pitti> hm, ok, it seems that I just coincidentially picked one witha failed clock [03:56] <ogra> i think patchutils was missing on amd64 yesterday i looked [03:56] <pitti> it seems that most of the failures are genuine FTBFS [03:56] <ajmitch> since I had to update the buggy gcc4 patch in debian :) [04:15] <\sh> doko: ping [04:17] <doko> \sh: pong [04:18] <siretart> fabbione: I had to install with 2.4 kernel, and had issues with the keyboard layout selector. Do you think it is wise to upgrade to 2.6 kernel (either sarge or sid) or should I leave the machine on 2.4? [04:18] <\sh> doko: nowxmsg is missing in the libwxgtk2.4-1-python packages...do u know why? [04:20] <doko> \sh: hmm, which version did have it? [04:20] <\sh> doko: no version at all... [04:20] <\sh> apt-file doesn't find anything [04:20] <\sh> but it should be in libwxtk2.4-python (our version is libwxgtk2.4-1-python) [04:22] <mvo> \sh: apt-file is fine again? [04:22] <\sh> mvo: yes [04:22] <\sh> mvo: thx [04:22] <mvo> \sh: thank you for pointing out the problem :) [04:26] <doko> \sh: why do you believe it should be there? [04:28] <\sh> doko: bittorrent-gui (aka btdownloadgui) depends on it.. [04:28] <\sh> oh no [04:28] <\sh> more trouble...w8 [04:29] <\sh> can't load wxPython... [04:29] <ajmitch> \sh: import wxversion [04:29] <ajmitch> as in the wxpython changelog, seems to help it :) [04:31] <\sh> ajmitch: it's something else... [04:32] <\sh> hmmmm.... [04:35] <\sh> damn [04:35] <\sh> I have to patch all this [04:38] <\sh> and the diff.gz changes the stupid orig.tar.gz but no debian/patches/* [04:39] <\sh> who the hell is changing sources directly in the debianized sourcetree...*grmpf* [04:39] <infinity> \sh : Uhm, that's pretty common/normal. [04:39] <ajmitch> a few people do that [04:40] <infinity> \sh : debian/patches isn't a standard, by any means, the whole point of the diff.gz is to carry Debian changes. It was only through time that more complex packages found a patch system to be more useful. [04:40] <infinity> \sh : I maintain packages that go both routes. Complex ones with patch systems, and simple ones with changes in the diff. [04:40] <\sh> infinity: if you have a look on the bittorrent package, u'll see this is not even a oneline change they made [04:41] <infinity> I've had a look at bittorrent many times. [04:41] <infinity> In fact, I have this nagging feeling I promised someone I'd do an upload of it... [04:41] <\sh> infinity: I'll fix it now...in the way they did it :) [04:42] <infinity> Oh, right. Mez wanted me to fix it. [04:42] <infinity> I had a fix pending, too. Silly me. [04:42] <infinity> -ETOOBUSY [04:42] <infinity> Unread messages slip out of view too quickly. :/ [04:42] <\sh> what was it? [04:42] <\sh> bittorrent-gui is in universe and not working as expected...actually it's not working at all... [04:42] <infinity> Something about broken wxgtk-python deps. [04:43] <\sh> yes [04:43] <infinity> Looks like a one-line fix. [04:43] <\sh> I'm fixing this right now :) [04:43] <\sh> no it's not [04:43] <infinity> Ahh, well the patch he sent me was. I hadn't gotten around to testing yet. :) [04:43] <\sh> the runtime-dep is oneline...the fix for multiple wxgtk python versions installed is a 2 liner ,-) [04:43] <infinity> Oh fine, 3 lines then. [04:44] <infinity> Close enough. :) [04:44] <\sh> infinity: 10 lines ,-) [04:46] <\sh> ok...done [04:47] <bddebian> Howdy [04:50] <sivang> hey bddebian, 'sup ? [04:50] <bddebian> Hello sivang. Not much unfortunatel. :-( You? [04:51] <\sh> ok....fixed... [04:51] <\sh> now testing [04:54] <pvanhoof> how is x-server-* today? [04:55] <pvanhoof> will stuff work if I upgrade breezy today? :() [04:55] <pvanhoof> :) [04:56] <chmj> hey shackan [04:58] <\sh> ok...going home...laters [04:58] <shackan> heil [04:58] <jsgotangco> mako: so the debian bible is now out, congrats [05:00] <shackan> chmj, sorry for disapperaring, I'm working on the GUI now and yesterday I had to learn python and glade from scratch in about three hours (and obviously you can't test anything until there's a client to test with.. soo.. :-( [05:01] <chmj> shackan: uhmm.... ok [05:01] <chmj> shackan: noticed there ware no updates [05:02] <chmj> shackan: have you looked at the proposed specs from bluez mailing lists ? [05:02] <shackan> yes, I'm weeding a lot of bugs out [05:02] <shackan> uhm, I'm subscribed to those.. but, what specs ? the dbus daemon you mean ? [05:03] <shackan> this? [Bluez-devel] bluetoothd D-Bus interface proposals(draft 00.03) [05:05] <shackan> yesterday I took a look at kdebluetooth, and I realized that they're project has been worked on for almost two years by several programmers, and it's still beta, and I'm doing more or less the same thing, but in two months.. [05:05] <shackan> *their [05:06] <shackan> chmj ? [05:06] <chmj> shackan: yes [05:07] <paolo-> seb128: hi! Is there any hope to get a more recent libcairo1 on breezy? [05:07] <chmj> shackan: the documentation they have there looks promising don't you think ? [05:08] <fabbione> siretart: we need 2.6. breezy glibc don't support 2.4 anymore = we can't install/build on it [05:08] <paolo-> Hey shackan :) [05:08] <shackan> well, I emailed Claudio Takahasi a couple of times, it seems he's trying to do the very same thing as me, but with a different approach: he's writing tons of patches for the existing bluez-libs trying to force them into a dbus-capable program, I'm wrapping the existing bluez, unchanged, into a higher-lever api [05:08] <shackan> but, yes, the docs look good and I used some of it as a reference [05:10] <chmj> shackan: oh good, was gonna suggest that you use them as a reference [05:12] <shackan> if I was going to show him the code he'd surely be interested, but he told me I'd rather speak about those matters publicly on the list, but posting *that* code on the list would be shameful :( (yes, I don't have much respect towards the way I code, especially when I'm in a hurry like now) [05:12] <JaneW> hi all please have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyGoals there lots of green-ness happening. Let me know if any more goals have migrated to Green yet! Kthnxbye [05:13] <chmj> shackan: eheh, ok [05:16] <paolo-> seb128: maybe these does work on ubuntu as well http://cairographics.org/packages/debian/ ? [05:20] <seb128> paolo-: hi. What is the issue with the current one? [05:21] <paolo-> seb128: the header files missing some functions [05:21] <seb128> paolo-: which one? I can patch that [05:22] <paolo-> cairo.h doesn't have cairo_surface_reference, cairo_surface_mark_dirty, cairo_surface_mark_dirty_rectangle. [05:22] <paolo-> cairo-features.h changed in some way but it's probably due to the newer releases [05:23] <seb128> /usr/include/cairo/cairo.h:cairo_surface_reference (cairo_surface_t *surface); [05:23] <seb128> it has this one here [05:23] <paolo-> That's strange, it does not appear here. [05:24] <seb128> $ nm -D /usr/lib/libcairo.so | grep cairo_surface_mark_dirty [05:24] <seb128> $ [05:24] <paolo-> Err, surface_reference is there. The other two are missing [05:24] <seb128> same for cairo_surface_mark_dirty_rectangle [05:24] <seb128> the lib doesn't have these function, that's NOTABUG [05:25] <seb128> anyway, cairo will be updated after colony 3 you will have to wait [05:25] <paolo-> When will it be? [05:25] <seb128> the soname has changed and some 200 packages are to rebuild [05:25] <gilligan_> hi [05:25] <seb128> paolo-: when it's ready, cf topic :) [05:25] <paolo-> I'm writing the haskell bindings for the Google SoC and I have a timeline :-( Sigh. [05:25] <paolo-> UH - today. [05:26] <seb128> paolo-: I'm sure than 2 functions don't make that of a big deal to change, for you, do they ? [05:26] <seb128> ie: can that wait 1-2 days? [05:27] <gilligan_> i'm looking for somes hints on how to reproduce/understand some hoary installation bug -- installation stalls during 'Setting up primary installation repository..' and the only suspicous looking log output is 'debconf: Obsolete command TITLE Apt configuration called' -- unfortunately there is no strace in busy box -- any ideas what to look at.. ? [05:28] <paolo-> I can. I didn't get it was "today" :-) [05:28] <paolo-> seb128: thanks much. [05:28] <seb128> paolo-: you're welcome [05:31] <HiddenWolf> huh, people are already using it, cool. :) [05:34] <gilligan_> hrm.seems like the problem is known but nothing has been done about it yet.. [05:38] <struggler> I am having logout problems using sshd and I have the symptoms reported against 3.4P1 [05:38] <struggler> The test created by Jani Jaakkola says that the hang on exit bug exists. thoreuputic #ubuntu confirms this [05:38] <struggler> anyone interested? [05:39] <ogra> struggler, so if you got confirmed that its a bug, why not file it ? :) [05:39] <struggler> ogra: He confirmed the test, not that it is a bug, that is why I am asking here [05:40] <ogra> struggler, just file it then... we'll either confirm or drop it in bugzilla according to validity... see topic, everyone is very busy today [05:40] <struggler> ogra: thank you [05:41] <infinity> Is this the "if you start an application that leaves some fds open and then backrounds without properly closing them, then sshd hangs on exit" bug? [05:41] <struggler> infinity: yes [05:41] <infinity> Right, nothing new, then. [05:41] <infinity> Considered fixing the application that's leaving fds open? :) [05:42] <infinity> (Though, I thought sshd had a workaround for this now..) [05:42] <struggler> infinity: well, if I knew which application was leaving them..... [05:42] <ogra> infinity, it would be nice to have it fixed for ltsp before release though [05:42] <struggler> infinity: I'll try and figure out which one [05:43] <infinity> Well, what are you running and backgrounding before you try to exit? [05:43] <struggler> infinity: I'm not backgrounding anything, this happens after long shell sessions [05:44] <struggler> infinity: Apparently somebody isn't being nice and is leaving a file open, I'll go wading through the lsof output [05:44] <gilligan_> hm.. sorry to bother, but is it some kind of open secret that the hoary installation is utterly broken ? [05:45] <struggler> infinity: thanks [05:45] <infinity> gilligan_ : Are you sure it's not just a bad CD burn? [05:45] <infinity> gilligan_ : I've not seen that problem here. [05:45] <gilligan_> infinity, nope.. the CD is fine [05:46] <gilligan_> i had to kill /usr/bin/apt-cdrom -o Acquire::gpgv:: ... in order to get on [05:47] <gilligan_> but then installing grub fails, simply because /sbin/grub-install is not available [05:47] <infinity> gilligan_ : Seriously, if apt-cdrom is having a conniption fit, it's almost got to be a bad CD (or broken hardware) [05:48] <infinity> gilligan_ : You can swear up and down that both are okay, but in thousands of successful installs, I've not seen this. [05:48] <gilligan_> i just unpacked the PC, and the burned the CD the 2nd time.. so i dont think so [05:49] <gilligan_> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=1422091 [05:49] <gilligan_> it seems like i am by far not the only one experiencing this [05:50] <infinity> Ahh, what language are you using? [05:50] <gilligan_> American English [05:51] <infinity> There are claims in one of these threads that things are goofy under certain languages. en_US wouldn't be one of them, though. :) [05:51] <gilligan_> right.. i've skimmed that but found it so horribly unlikely that i haven't tried it yet hehe [05:51] <gilligan_> but as i'm running out of options i'll give that a try [05:52] <gilligan_> eh.ah.. en_US would NOT be one of them? ok [05:52] <gilligan_> infinity, well this is for sure not my first ubuntu install.. but i've never exprienced these problems [05:53] <gilligan_> infinity, and although i think that the language setting thing from the forum is crap there actually does seem to be some problem with the hoary install [05:53] <gilligan_> i.e not a hardware/CD problem of mine [05:54] <Nafallo> jdub: ping [05:55] <infinity> gilligan_ : Well, I agree that apt-cdrom shouldn't be hanging (it appears to be hanging on wanting input, which it'll never get, cause it doesn't have a TTY), it will only do so if it thinks the CD isn't quite right. [05:56] <infinity> gilligan_ : You're welcome to file a bug and see if you can work it out with mvo. [05:56] <ogra__> do we have blackdown in multiverse already ? [05:57] <ogra__> doko ? [05:57] <gilligan_> infinito, i'll see if I can get it to install with this CD somehow -- as I said i already burned the iso twice so another broken CD is very unlikely [05:57] <doko> ogra__: no [05:57] <ogra__> doko, but its planned ? [05:57] <infinity> gilligan_ : And others in the thread have claimed that lowering CD burn speed to something like 1x or 2x has magically solved it for them. [05:58] <infinity> (which points at a misbehaving burner) [05:58] <ogra__> doko, else i need a idea for a workaround for edubuntu... java availability is essential [05:58] <gilligan_> infinity, bunring speeds .. language settings.. sounds like lots of voodoo hehe [05:58] <infinity> gilligan_ : Language was way off base, but burning speed isn't voodoo. High speed burns are quite often problematic. [05:59] <infinity> gilligan_ : I've had many errors on high speed burns on a variety of machines. [05:59] <mvo> gilligan_: do you have the complete command (with arguments) where it hangs? [05:59] <gilligan_> infinity, yeah that's true.. but i only burned it 8x [05:59] <\sh> infinity: no root burning ,-) [05:59] <infinity> And there's mvo now. [05:59] <mvo> gilligan_: also I have done a lot of installs and apt-cdrom has never hung for me :) [05:59] <doko> ogra__: JavaRoadmap was deferred for breezy+1 [06:00] <gilligan_> mvo, during 'Setting up primary installation repository' it always stalls at 25% [06:00] <ogra__> doko, totally ? its *really* essential for edubuntu [06:00] <ogra__> doko, i dont see a prob in adding blackdown to multiverse [06:01] <mvo> gilligan_: can you see on the second console/log what command is run with what arguments? [06:01] <gilligan_> mvo, now I disabled the network device which solved the problem because apt does not even check for reprositories [06:01] <doko> ogra__: you are not allowed to ship a competing SDK ... [06:01] <mvo> gilligan_: so it hangs when trying to access the network probably. are you behind a firewall/proxy? [06:01] <gilligan_> mvo, i can rerun the installation with network enabled.. [06:01] <ogra__> doko, i dont want to ship anything [06:01] <infinity> mvo : <gilligan_> i had to kill /usr/bin/apt-cdrom -o Acquire::gpgv:: ... in order to get on [06:02] <ogra__> doko, i want it in multiverse [06:02] <gilligan_> mvo, i set up ipmasq on my powerbook [06:02] <ogra__> s/want/need [06:02] <doko> ogra__: -> elmo [06:02] <gilligan_> mvo, i tried fetching something with wget via console - which worked [06:02] <ogra__> doko, ok... i thought i heard sabdfl and you talking about it the other day [06:02] <gilligan_> so it can't be that it stalls because it waits for a connect [06:03] <mvo> gilligan_: so you killed apt-cdrom (with network) and the install continued after that? but if you install without a network then it works? [06:03] <gilligan_> i only noted the process I killed.. which was /usr/bin/apt-cdrom -o Acquire::gpgv::Options::==--ignore.. sorry, don't have the rest [06:04] <gilligan_> mvo, when I killed it I got some message 'finished scanning bla something' .. but appearently other things went wrong because grub was not even available .. /usr/sbin/grub-install was missing [06:05] <mvo> gilligan_: there have been reports about long delays while the installer tried to access a firewalled network. this would be my no1 guess right now. could you run the install to the point of the hang again? [06:05] <gilligan_> mvo, running the installation w/o network set up it does not even get to the point where it stalled before [06:05] <mvo> gilligan_: oh, interessting. what happend then? where did it stoped? [06:06] <gilligan_> mvo, as wget worked from console i don't think that its a firewall issue [06:06] <gilligan_> mvo, well running w/o network the whole installation works fine -- apt-cdrom just does not seem to be started at all [06:07] <gilligan_> mvo, but hold on.. i'll redo the whole installation with network just like before [06:07] <mvo> gilligan_: do you have a installed system now? [06:07] <mvo> gilligan_: if so, hold on and run apt-cdrom from it please [06:07] <gilligan_> booting it right now [06:07] <gilligan_> lets see if its fine [06:08] <gilligan_> afterwards i can repeat the installation to see where it stops and give you more details [06:08] <mdke> gah, trying the breezy installer and can't resize my windows partition, hoary was fine. Any ideas? [06:09] <gilligan_> ah,doh..accidently booted from cd again [06:11] <gilligan_> huh.. complains about some files in /lib having timestamp in future [06:12] <gilligan_> anyways.. let me try the installation again [06:12] <mvo> mdke: does it now work at all? or only take _very_ long? [06:12] <mvo> s/now/not/ [06:13] <mdke> mvo, it seems to refuse to do it, after I enter the new size it just takes me back to the partition screen without my changes [06:13] <mvo> mdke: anything in the logs? [06:14] <mdke> where do I find them? [06:14] <gilligan_> tty4 [06:14] <mvo> mdke: alt-f2, alt-f3, alt-f4 [06:14] <mdke> looks like bug #7758? [06:15] <mdke> can't see the logs, the installer has moved on [06:16] <mvo> mdke: they will be copied to the harddisk after the install (/var/log/installer) [06:16] <mdke> ok [06:16] <mdke> the installer has crashed now during the next stage anyway :) [06:18] <gilligan_> mvo, its installing the base system now .. the problem should come up after that [06:19] <mdke> also in hoary i had wifi during the install, on breezy i don't [06:19] <mvo> mdke: that's just a bug [06:20] <mdke> looking [06:20] <\sh> mdke: madwifi? [06:21] <mdke> no i think it is ipw2100 [06:21] <gilligan_> man i've watched that progress bar quite some times today.. :) [06:27] <gilligan_> mvo: copying mirror configuration .. Setting up installation repository --> and now it hangs again at 25% [06:27] <gilligan_> during "configuring apt..." that is [06:28] <gilligan_> right after I went through setting up a regular user & time zone settings [06:28] <mvo> gilligan_: can you do a ps ax on the shell? [06:29] <gilligan_> k.. what do u want me to look for? [06:29] <mvo> and /msg me the output? [06:29] <mvo> gilligan_: hm, you probably can't copy'n'paste :/ [06:29] <gilligan_> hehe.. i was about to say :) [06:35] <\sh> grmpf..bittorrent is totally broken it seems [06:45] <mvo> ping ogra, ogra__ [06:45] <Treenaks> ogra__: will hwdb be back? [06:45] <mitsuhiko_> Treenaks: hope so [06:46] <ogra__> Treenaks, yes, after preview freeze i'll have some more time for it [06:46] <Treenaks> (it would be nice to list the hardware IDs for the LaptopTesting laptops on the wikipages :)) [06:46] <ogra__> currently i put all time into edubuntu and a bit into gnome-power [06:47] <\sh> ok..bittorrent + bittorrent-gui fixed [06:49] <HiddenWolf> ogra, how is edubuntu coming along? [06:49] <\sh> brb changing to another laptop for better working [06:50] <ogra__> HiddenWolf, some things are missing and it suffers from the common ubuntu problems wrt install CD [06:50] <ogra__> but that all will be sorted for preview .... [06:51] <Treenaks> I need an easier WEP key [06:51] <HiddenWolf> ogra__, cool! [06:51] <Treenaks> this is starting to suck, with all the re-installation :) [06:52] <mdke> turn it off :) [06:54] <Treenaks> mdke: and let my neighbours see what porn I watch? no way! [06:54] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks, too much ;) [06:54] <mdke> got some tech neighbours eh? [06:54] <Treenaks> mdke: at least 1 [06:55] <carstenh> isn't wep insecure anyway? [06:55] <ogra__> carstenh, more secure then no WEP ;) [06:55] <carstenh> ogra__: but less secure than i.e. openvpn [06:56] <ogra__> sure [06:56] <Lathiat> or WPA [06:56] <Lathiat> it stops passers by [06:56] <mdke> hell MAC filtering will stop passers by [06:56] <Lathiat> no it wont [06:56] <Lathiat> depends what you mean by stop [06:56] <Lathiat> mac filtering will stop them using it [06:56] <ogra__> mdke, faking a MAC address is as easy as xworking around WEP [06:56] <Lathiat> it wont stop themf rom sniffing it [06:57] <Lathiat> and taht [06:57] <Lathiat> *that [06:57] <carstenh> .oO(mac-spoofing...) [06:57] <Lathiat> altho its harder on some wireless [06:57] <Lathiat> depends on the driver [06:58] <mdke> ogra__, you need to know the MAC address before faking it [06:58] <Lathiat> mdke: which is easy if theyre using the network at the time [06:58] <ogra__> mdke, yes, you need to sniff the arp requests [06:58] <mdke> ah [06:58] <mdke> oh well [06:58] <mdke> open networks are good anyhow [06:59] <Lathiat> yeh if i ever get busted for downloading something dodgy i can claim it could have been anyone :) [06:59] <Lathiat> besides if someone wants to use my wireless theyre more than welcome [07:00] <Lathiat> no one has ever associated yet [07:00] <pitti> elmo: please sync clamav (yes, new upstream, but only a microrelease with two security patches, and universe) [07:01] <mike_douglas> Lathiat: I used to have that attitude, before I got a call from my ISP for using 60GB of bandwidth in one month. [07:01] <Lathiat> if i use too much bandwidth i get shaped [07:01] <Lathiat> no calls, no charging, etc [07:01] <Lathiat> so its not like it'd be devestating [07:01] <Lathiat> and i'd notice [07:01] <gilligan_> i just tried to resolve/reproduce some hoary installation bug with mvo but he had to leave .. anyone here working knowledgable about the installation routines etc.. ? [07:02] <gilligan_> s/working// [07:03] <mvo> gilligan_: leaving now (to play hockey!). it seems like on your burn the directory ".disk" is missing [07:03] <gilligan_> no i just checked.. its there [07:03] <gilligan_> i accdently checked the wrong dir before hehehe (/me hides) [07:05] <ogra__> mvo, you had #13496 on ubuntu too, right ? according to mdz it didnt occur at all to him [07:05] <pitti> seb128: wrt #13445, would you object to adding a dependency to python2.4-cairo in python2.4-gnome2? I think hal-device-manager is not the right place to add it [07:06] <mike_douglas> I'm getting a "out-of-date-standards-version" with lintian, what is the latest Standards-Version? [07:06] <pitti> seb128: I can do it myself, just asking for your ack [07:06] <gilligan_> apt-cdrom is stuck .. strace reveals .. write(1,That is not a valid name, try again") .. write(1,Please provide a name for this Disc such as 'Debian 2.1r1 Disk1" .. [07:06] <gilligan_> its outputting that in a loop [07:06] <pitti> mike_douglas: 3.6.2 [07:06] <Lathiat> pitti: i thought that already got uploaded [07:06] <Lathiat> for gtk2 [07:06] <seb128> pitti: that's fixed for 2 days [07:06] <mike_douglas> pitti: thanks [07:07] <pitti> seb128: hm, I dist-upgraded this morning, but thanks; will check [07:07] <seb128> pitti: dup of #13457 [07:07] <seb128> pitti: build issue [07:08] <seb128> hum no [07:08] <pitti> seb128: ah, ok, so I'm not completely dumb :-) thanks [07:08] <seb128> do you have pygtk 2.7.3-0ubuntu2 ? [07:08] <seb128> pygtk (2.7.3-0ubuntu2) breezy; urgency=low [07:08] <seb128> . [07:08] <seb128> * debian/control: [07:08] <seb128> - python-gtk2 Depends: python-cairo [07:09] <seb128> [07:09] <seb128> mdz did that upload sunday [07:09] <Lathiat> python-gtk2 vs python2.4-gtk ? [07:09] <pitti> Version: 2.7.3-0ubuntu2 [07:09] <Lathiat> err [07:09] <Lathiat> i mean [07:09] <pitti> indeed [07:09] <Lathiat> +2 on the end [07:09] <seb128> pitti: mdz screw, feel free to fix it :) [07:10] <Lathiat> indeed, [07:10] <Lathiat> needs to be in both really [07:10] <pitti> seb128: right, that's it [07:10] <pitti> seb128: it must be at python2.4-gtk [07:10] <seb128> I bet he updated control instead of control.in [07:10] <seb128> and the changes got overwritten [07:10] <Lathiat> python-gtk2 still depends on python-ciaro [07:10] <seb128> grumpf no [07:10] <Lathiat> but python2.4-gtk2 doesnt depend on python-gtk2 [07:10] <seb128> pygtk is not a gnome-pkg format [07:10] <pitti> seb128: h-d-m -> python2.4-gnome2 -> libcairo, but no python-cairo [07:11] <Lathiat> pitti: you want gtk2 not gnome2 [07:11] <seb128> pitti: python2.4-gtk2 should depends on python2.4-cairo [07:11] <pitti> seb128: right [07:12] <seb128> Lathiat: "<Lathiat> but python2.4-gtk2 doesnt depend on python-gtk2" [07:12] <seb128> Lathiat: that's normal, the non versionned version is here to depends on the current version [07:12] <seb128> no other way [07:12] <Lathiat> seb128: sure i was just pointing out [07:12] <Lathiat> thats why it doesnt work [07:12] <seb128> and python-gtk2 doesn't need to Depends on python-cairo [07:13] <seb128> it depends on python<version>-gtk2 which depends on python<version>-cairo [07:13] <seb128> pitti: you do the change? [07:13] <pitti> seb128: yes [07:14] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathait/python-gtk2.debdiff [07:15] <Lathiat> err, http://bur.st/~lathiat/python-gtk2.debdiff [07:15] <seb128> pitti: thanks [07:15] <seb128> Lathiat: hum ... no offense but neither pitti or me need a debdiff to know how to fix a Depends [07:16] <Lathiat> i was just wondering if it was right [07:16] <seb128> the python-cairo Depends is not required but doesn't hurt [07:16] <Lathiat> and yes i know both of you have far more experience than i :) [07:16] <seb128> but that works yep [07:17] <mdz> seb128: I had to make that change in order to un-break LTSP [07:17] <trygvebw> has the name of breezy+1 been decided yet? [07:17] <seb128> mdz: you didn't put the python2.4-gtk2 Depends on python2.4-cairo on purpose? [07:18] <HiddenWolf> trygvebw, amuse me with suggestions? :) [07:18] <pitti> seb128: I'm sure that was just a small glitch [07:18] <trygvebw> HiddenWolf: nah :P [07:18] <trygvebw> i was just wondering ;) [07:18] <seb128> pitti: yeah, me too [07:19] <pitti> seb128: fixed, btw [07:19] <seb128> thanks [07:19] <Lathiat> y [07:19] <seb128> time to discuss that == time to fix it * 5 :p [07:19] <bddebian> heh [07:23] <mdz> seb128: no [07:23] <mdz> seb128: the package you uploaded was broken; you could not even "import gtk". I added the dep as a quick fix; it is not quite right [07:23] <seb128> mdz: k, that what we were discussing ... but the discussion is quite longer than required, pitti fixed it [07:23] <seb128> mdz: yeah, sorry for that [07:24] <mdz> seb128: I didn't screw it; I just didn't fix it correctly :-) [07:24] <seb128> :) [07:24] <mdz> Mithrandir: lib32stdc++6 promoted [07:25] <mdz> Mithrandir: have you already uploaded the package which will depend on it? [07:25] <mdz> mjg59: grub patch? [07:26] <mdz> mantiena: ubuntu express status has been regularly posted to ubuntu-devel for the past week; subscribe to that list if you are interested in it [07:29] <cassidy> All main packages aren't supposed to have a entry into the bugzilla? [07:29] <\sh> cassidy: main == bugzilla reporting / universe == malone reporting [07:30] <pitti> Morning mdz [07:30] <pitti> seb128: btw, does that already qualify to get my "I fixed a gtk bug" badge? :-) [07:30] <\sh> cassidy: if the name is not there use unknown .. and file a bug in bugzilla for the missing entry [07:30] <cassidy> \sh: yes i know, but don't find to report for gparted (main package) [07:31] <seb128> pitti: yeah, you have just won the pleasure to maintain GTK for a month and that FOR FREE :) [07:31] <seb128> pitti: congrats :) [07:31] <cassidy> \sh: ok, i will do that. thanks! [07:31] <seb128> ah ah [07:31] <mdz> pitti: morning [07:31] <pitti> seb128: oh shit, now I'm the one who touched it last, I didn't think about that [07:32] <seb128> :) [07:32] <seb128> how do you think I get it? :p [07:32] <seb128> s/get/got/ [07:32] <pitti> seb128: you were just *born* to be the gnominator... [07:33] <seb128> hahaha [07:39] <Mithrandir> mdz: yes, ooo2-amd64 [07:41] <mdz> Mithrandir: -1ubuntu10-2? [07:41] <Mithrandir> yes [07:41] <mdz> Mithrandir: should be all set; would you check that it's all installable on amd64 now? [07:41] <mdz> then I'll roll CDs [07:42] <ogra_> yay [07:44] <mdz> at last count, kubuntu-desktop was uninstallable on amd64 (but apparently ubuntu-desktop was installable) [07:44] <mdz> never mind [07:44] <mdz> all desktops are uninstallable on amd64 [07:44] <Mithrandir> huh? They shouldn't be. [07:44] <mdz> as of Tue Aug 16 17:14:15 UTC 2005 [07:44] <Mithrandir> why? [07:44] <mdz> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/breezy_probs.html [07:45] <mdz> Binaries from ubuntu-meta 0.62 cannot be installed: [07:45] <mdz> * ubuntu-desktop(amd64) [07:45] <mdz> Binaries from openoffice.org2-amd64 1.9.121-1ubuntu10-2 cannot be installed: [07:45] <mdz> * openoffice.org2(amd64) [07:46] <mdz> I promoted lib32stdc++6 well before the last cron.daily [07:50] <Mithrandir> so why can't -common be installed? [07:52] <Cimmerian> it says colony 3 will release, so i just thought i'd mention that the rootfs won't mount on stage two of todays breezy-install-i386.iso [07:55] <mdz> Mithrandir: you are asking me? [07:56] <mdz> Cimmerian: it does for others, so it's probably an initramfs driver issue. please report to bugzilla under package: initramfs-tools [07:56] <mdz> Cimmerian: include lspci output [07:56] <Cimmerian> ok, will do, it's in a virtual machine (vmware) [07:56] <pitti> mdz, Mithrandir: lib32stdc++6 | 4.0.1-4ubuntu3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages [07:57] <pitti> mdz: ^ that's the cause for half of the current breezy installability problems [07:57] <mdz> lib32stdc++6 | 4.0.1-4ubuntu3 | breezy | amd64 [07:57] <pitti> hmmm, odd [07:57] <mdz> I promoted it at :24; cron.daily at :33 should have resulted in it moving to main/Packages [07:57] <mdz> I guess we will see what happens at :03 [07:58] <Mithrandir> mdz: yes, it's supposed to be installable just fine. :-) [08:00] <Treenaks> Is the "X doesn't generate a valid config file" bug known? [08:00] <Treenaks> (xserver-xorg/config/inputdevice/keyboard/model not set. Aborting. [08:00] <ogra> Treenaks, it works here... eve if the config isnt perfect [08:01] <mdz> it was known a couple of weeks ago, and fixed [08:01] <Treenaks> mdz: I'm using a daily breezy from about an hour ago\ [08:01] <mdz> Treenaks: dated? [08:01] <mdz> 20050816 certainly worked fine for me [08:01] <mdz> and which CD? [08:02] <mdz> install or live? [08:02] <Treenaks> mdz: "current" [08:02] <Treenaks> install [08:02] <mdz> Treenaks: "current" points to a different CD depending on the time of day [08:02] <mdz> so that doesn't tell me which one you have [08:02] <Treenaks> mdz: how do I tell? is there a file on the CD? [08:03] <Treenaks> md5s.. [08:03] <Mithrandir> mdz: btw, I've tried to track down the d-i<->x keyboard problem most of the day and have halfway fixed it. [08:03] <Treenaks> summing [08:03] <mdz> Treenaks: /.disk/info [08:03] <gilligan_> anyone here responsible for hoary installer ? tried to track down some bug with mvo earlier on, but he had to leave [08:03] <Treenaks> mdz: 20050816 [08:03] <mdz> Mithrandir: I fixed it last night before I went to sleep [08:03] <mdz> Mithrandir: casper 1.4 [08:03] <mdz> well, I backed out the change which broke it [08:04] <mdz> Treenaks: it must be specific to your configuration, then [08:04] <Treenaks> mdz: I'll file it [08:04] <Treenaks> mdz: md5sum matches 20050816.6 [08:05] <mdz> oh, that's not the same one I tested then [08:05] <mdz> Treenaks: info only says 20050816, but it's really 20050816.6? [08:06] <Treenaks> mdz: .disk/info says "Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" - Alpha i386 (20050816) [08:06] <Treenaks> mdz: md5 matches .6 [08:07] <Mithrandir> mdz: well, I got it mostly working with debconf-copydb [08:15] <pitti> Mithrandir: just apt-get updated, now lib32stdc++6 | 4.0.1-4ubuntu3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages [08:18] <ogra> why do i have sparc and hppa in edubuntu-meta, grrr... update fails constantly on these arches... i dont even need them... hmpf [08:18] <gilligan_> hoary won't install because apt-cdrom is stuck (strace shows its looping..) and warty install as alternative does not work because its stuck right in the beginning ingoring keyboard input [08:18] <siretart> hey, sparc rocks. I just installed one ;) [08:18] <ogra> siretart, there is no edubuntu for sparc :/ [08:19] <ogra> but it breaks my update script for the meta package... [08:19] <ogra> as well as hppa.... [08:19] <mdz> Mithrandir: oh, good [08:19] <lamont> mdz: http://bugs.debian.org/50572 for more on the whole 'WTH is RTC a module anyway?' discussion [08:20] <mdz> Mithrandir: I think I got to the point of realizing that we need to use debconf-copydb from cdebconf to copy from cdebconf to debconf, and decided that was too ambitious for colony 3 ;-) [08:20] <mdz> lamont: what discussion is that? [08:21] <lamont> that's the explanation on why I'm moving hwclockfirst.sh back from S22 to S18, and reintroducing a bug :-( [08:21] <ogra> AAAARGH [08:21] <ogra> W: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/breezy/main/binary-sparc/Packages.gz was corrupt [08:21] <lamont> OTOH, I'm working through having the kernel have CONFIG_RTC=y instead of =m, so we don't see said bug [08:21] <ogra> the fourth time now [08:22] <mdz> ogra: why don't you just take it out? [08:22] <ogra> mdz, is that ok ? [08:22] <mdz> lamont: the amd64 bug? [08:22] <lamont> mdz: OTOH, I need to make sure that hwclockfirst.sh has a correct enough subset of hwclock.sh, etc. [08:22] <lamont> the 'hwclockfirst.sh bitches about RTC on $ARCH' bug, for arch = ... amd64 ... [08:23] <mdz> ogra: edit the update script and remove them from the architectures variable [08:23] <ogra> mdz, ok, thanks [08:23] <mdz> ogra: then remove all the *-hppa, *-sparc [08:23] <ogra> yep [08:26] <ogra> mdz, bte, we have the first running edubuntu install out in the field :) [08:26] <ogra> btw even [08:26] <ogra> with ltsp and icewm.... [08:26] <mdz> that's great [08:26] <ogra> yup :) [08:27] <mdz> whmere? [08:27] <mdz> where? [08:27] <ogra> Petaris in #edubuntu ... dunno where he is located [09:10] <leonel> is it safe to move from hoary to breezy ? does the scary c++ things had passed ? [09:11] <leonel> I know it's under development but is it stable enough to use as a non critical desktop [09:11] <leonel> ? [09:11] <Nafallo> leonel: yea, but xorg remains without a few binaries :-) [09:11] <Nafallo> leonel: no, things are still changing. [09:12] <Nafallo> not much, but they are. [09:12] <leonel> i know [09:12] <leonel> but it's usable [09:12] <leonel> or not ? [09:12] <HiddenWolf> leonel, mostly [09:13] <Nafallo> leonel: don't ask me. I've used it since it hit the archive ;-) [09:13] <leonel> Nafallo, jajaja [09:13] <leonel> HiddenWolf, that sounds like hold on 2 or 3 more weeks [09:13] <HiddenWolf> leonel, your call [09:13] <leonel> i know [09:23] <mdz> ogra: it would be good if you could test the current CD build [09:23] <mdz> ogra: presumably your issue was specific to non-English installs [09:23] <stianj> after an upgrade after this friday, my breezy box went totally bananas, most Gnome applications either segfault or show this message: "Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_accel_label_set_accel_closure: assertion `gtk_accel_group_from_accel_closure (accel_closure) != NULL' failed". Only happening to me? [09:24] <seb128> that's a known launchpad-integration warning, it doesn't hurt [09:24] <ogra> mdz, i will [09:24] <ogra> mdz, you mean ubuntu or edubuntu ? [09:25] <seb128> stianj: this message is not what make your app crash. A backtrace would be nice [09:25] <mdz> ogra: ubuntu, the build I just made [09:25] <ogra> (i will test tomorrows edubuntu daily anyway, sice i think it should be safe for installation if colony 3 works) [09:25] <ogra> ok [09:25] <Keybuk> seb128: random panel problems: no "Text Editor" and no "Run Application" [09:26] <\sh> when will colony 3 be ready to download? [09:26] <ogra> \sh, for testing.... now ! [09:26] <ogra> \sh, for using ... after testing ;) [09:26] <seb128> Keybuk: "Run App" has been dropped on purpose, "Text Editor" is under Accessories [09:26] <\sh> ogra: harhar...I have to replace the kernel in any way :) [09:26] <seb128> Keybuk: is gedit installed? [09:26] <Keybuk> it isn't under my Accessories [09:27] <Keybuk> yeah, gedit is installed [09:27] <ogra> \sh, you need some test HW .... [09:27] <seb128> gnome-menu-spec-test | grep gedit ? [09:27] <ogra> \sh, at least for the next release cycle [09:27] <stianj> ok... Then it's something different. As an example; my gdm crashes (restarts) at the instant I hit a button on my keyboard. Then I tried to remove gdm and just use startx, then X started, but some gnome-apps don't start at all (gnome-terminal, evolution..), and if I click the titlebar on any app, the app disappears, then comes back after a couple of seconds (but doesn't quit). It's really weird! I don't even know what component I should file a bu [09:27] <stianj> g on.. [09:27] <Keybuk> the package doesn't appear to contain a .desktop file though [09:27] <Keybuk> seb128: returns nothing [09:27] <ogra> mdz, thats .8, right ? [09:27] <seb128> gedit-common: /usr/share/applications/gedit.desktop [09:27] <\sh> ogra: ah well..yes...yeah...w8...yeah I just found m money tree...,-) [09:28] <Keybuk> hmm, I have that, yup [09:28] <seb128> Keybuk: do you have this file? If yes, did you play with a menu editor? [09:28] <ogra> \sh, shake it !! [09:28] <Keybuk> it doesn't appear in the menu editor either [09:28] <seb128> right click on the menu and edit [09:28] <seb128> hum [09:28] <\sh> ogra: only leafs..no money..shame [09:28] <stianj> seb128, it seems evolution crashes in libXcursor.so.1 [09:28] <ogra> \sh, bah, what kind of money tree is that ? [09:29] <seb128> stianj: can you put a backtrace somewhere? ie pastebin.com ? [09:29] <ogra> \sh, someoe cheated you apparently... [09:29] <Keybuk> weird, I hate a .local/share/applications/gedit.desktop with NoDisplay=true in it [09:29] <Keybuk> s/hate/had/ [09:29] <stianj> seb128, sure, but isn't that rather useless when Evolution isn't built with debug symbols? [09:29] <\sh> ogra: actually...I had it for 7 years now...but u know...now it's gone together with the money...:) [09:29] <seb128> Keybuk: that's it. Previous nautilus version had a bug, when changing the default app for a type the end by masking system desktop files like this [09:29] <Keybuk> why did Run Application go? [09:31] <ogra> Keybuk, alt-f2 [09:31] <seb128> Keybuk: upstream decided that's not useful here, people use Alt-F2 or the menu entries directly ... I don't really agree with that, but that the kind of discussion where you never get everybody agreeing so the maintainers took the decision [09:31] <mdke> :( [09:31] <mdke> i use that all the time [09:31] <Keybuk> gah, I hate people hiding things in Keyboard Shortcuts [09:31] <ogra> seb128, i thought gnome-launch-box was supposed to replace it one day [09:31] <mdke> that will hit the intermediate users [09:31] <ogra> .... one far future day..... [09:32] <stianj> seb128, http://pastebin.com/338462 [09:32] <Keybuk> "...you don't need to run applications..." [09:32] <seb128> ogra: there is no plan about that, this app is a quick hack not working well and not hacked for month [09:32] <ogra> seb128, i know, i followed it since you included it in hoary... and dropped it some weeks ago [09:33] <Keybuk> (I only noticed because I needed it to run gedit <g>) [09:33] <stianj> quit [09:33] <stianj> damn [09:33] <stianj> wrong window [09:34] <ogra> seb128, we should consider re-adding run application... its only a .desktop entry more... i agree with you that its bad to remove it [09:34] <seb128> Keybuk: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2005-February/msg00169.html [09:34] <ogra> s/a/one [09:35] <seb128> ogra: that's not a desktop file, that's some panel code [09:35] <mdke> if the Run Application tool is gone, more programs should have menu entries IMHO [09:35] <seb128> stianj: try changing your cursor theme maybe? [09:35] <seb128> stianj: which one do you use? [09:36] <seb128> stianj: gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/peripherals/mouse/cursor_theme [09:37] <Keybuk> there are far lower hanging fruit than Run Application :-/ [09:38] <Keybuk> mdke: PrintScreen isn't it? :) [09:38] <ogra> i think we should re-add it, even if its more then a .desktop file.... i thought its still gnome-run [09:38] <mdke> i hate it when people hide things in desktop shortcuts [09:38] <seb128> Keybuk: yeah, there is a bug open about "Take Screenshot" as well now [09:38] <mdke> *keyboard [09:38] <ogra> argh [09:39] <mdke> i'm with ogra for readding Run Application [09:39] <mdz> +1 breezy-install-amd64.iso [09:39] <seb128> ogra: no, it's some panel code ... but it's easy to put back if we want it. Nobody really complains, I'm not sure we should change now [09:39] <stianj> seb128, bah, it was my fault. I'm terribly, terribly sorry for wasting your time! (But you helped me find it :) Thanks! [09:39] <seb128> mdke: no need of keyboard, just use the menus [09:40] <seb128> stianj: np. What did you do? So if somebody else got the same issue I know what to reply ... :) [09:40] <ogra> seb128, i finally got used to alt-f2 , but i didnt know it would stay out of the panel [09:40] <\sh> libgl1-xorg-dri has installation problems [09:40] <Keybuk> *shrug* if we're cleaning up the other crap in the menu too, leave Run Application off [09:40] <\sh> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/gamma_dri.so is also in xlibmesa-dri [09:42] <seb128> Keybuk: there is no other crap for the Applications menu :) [09:42] <\sh> daniels: missed a eplaces? [09:42] <\sh> Replaces even? [09:42] <mdz> breezy-live-amd64.iso has broken oo.o2; rolling a new livefs for it [09:42] <seb128> Keybuk: but I don't have strong opinion on the question, I don't really care, I use alt-F2 :) [09:42] <Keybuk> seb128: me neither [09:43] <Keybuk> (leave it off the menu, I meant) [09:43] <Keybuk> there's crap in Places and System <g> [09:43] <stianj> seb128, heh, lately pornview has segfaulted at startup, I was trying to fix that, and found out with strace that the last thing before it segfaulted it tried to open /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/gnome/index.theme, so I symlinked /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default to that directory.. (and forgot before I restarted...) Sorry :) [09:44] <HiddenWolf> stianj, pornview, do I want to know? [09:44] <Keybuk> stianj: was it crashing on particular files? [09:44] <seb128> stianj: k [09:45] <seb128> stianj: but that should not make every app crashing ... [09:47] <Nafallo> HiddenWolf: pornview rocks! imageviewer with xinelib-glue :-) [09:47] <HiddenWolf> Nafallo, gnome ships with half a dozen imageviewers already, why would anyone want another one? [09:48] <Nafallo> HiddenWolf: gnome does not ship this one :-) [09:48] <Nafallo> HiddenWolf: cause you can use it for all your porn? both pictures and movies :-) [09:48] <HiddenWolf> i gathered that much. [09:48] <carstenh> pornview does not support svg :( [09:48] <Nafallo> carstenh: svgporn? LOL [09:48] <Nafallo> :-) [09:49] <\sh> mdz: for #11097 bugzilla is the correct position :) for cxx transitions [09:49] <mdz> \sh: pardon? [09:49] <ogra> \sh, universe [09:49] <\sh> ogra: yes..but cxx trans [09:49] <mdz> \sh: who told you that? [09:49] <\sh> mdz: because we filed all cxx trans bugs in bugzilla. [09:50] <mdz> \sh: why? I asked for them not to be filed in bugzilla for universe packages [09:50] <mdz> as with all other universe bugs [09:51] <ogra> mdz, doko used bugzilla for cxx transition tracking, it was better to use then the wiki for this amount of packages, but universe shouldnt be in there... [09:51] <\sh> mdz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CxxLibraryList -> For each library (for universe as well), create a bug report at [WWW] http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/, the subject/title must start with CXX transition: <source name> renaming ... (i.e. "CXX transition: libfoo renaming ...") (universe package can use UNKNOWN as th [09:51] <ogra> seb128, mdz did you two talk about the screensaver situation already ? [09:52] <mdz> ogra: no [09:52] <mdz> \sh: who wrote that? doko? [09:52] <\sh> mdz: if he created this wiki page, then yes [09:53] <\sh> mdz: and if you do a query over bugzilla for CXX transition: you will see a lot of bugs for libs even from universe [09:54] <ogra> mdz, seb128 thinks gnome-screensaver isnt ready... i tend to agree that we'll at least will need the "random screensaver" functionality from CVS and we have no screensavers in a separate package to use them with gnome-screensaver.... on the other hand i stopped working on the lockscreen patch (85% done) ... [09:54] <mdz> \sh: I know [09:54] <seb128> I've not said it's not ready! [09:54] <mdz> \sh: and when I saw them, I posted a comment saying that they should not be there [09:54] <seb128> I've said feature freeze was previous week [09:54] <seb128> and we would require coming version [09:55] <seb128> and maybe to split xscreensaver to make a -data package [09:55] <doko> mdz: yep, all are marked with CXX, so they can easily be identified [09:55] <mdz> doko: they do not belong in Bugzilla, and they create work for me there [09:56] <ogra> s/isnt ready/isnt ready as it is now/ [09:56] <ogra> seb128, :) [09:56] <mdz> +1 breezy-live-i386.iso for me [09:56] <doko> mdz: would it be ok to lower the severity of these, but not close them? [09:57] <mdz> doko: it would be an improvement [09:57] <ogra> bah [09:57] <ogra> 1:27 here [09:57] <Nafallo> ogra: what are you? :-) [09:57] <stianj> seb128, no, it shouldn't crash everything, but it actually did [09:57] <ogra> Nafallo, ?? [09:57] <Nafallo> dooh [09:57] <seb128> stianj: can you describe what you do to get this crasher? [09:57] <Nafallo> ogra: where are you? ;-) [09:58] <ogra> Nafallo, still in germany.... 1:27 to go for the CD download [09:58] <stianj> seb128, and what's up with pornview I have no idea :( It stopped working about a month ago... [09:58] <ogra> :) [09:58] <\sh> ogra: update to 6mbit/s? ,-) [09:58] <stianj> it just segfaults.. [09:58] <stianj> ok, it's easy :) [09:58] <ogra> \sh, 5km to the next headend... i have to thank the telekom that i get 768K here [09:59] <carstenh> s/768/1024/? [09:59] <stianj> seb128, ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default/ /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/gnome [09:59] <Nafallo> ogra: haha, I thought it was the time ;-) [09:59] <ogra> Nafallo, *g* [09:59] <ogra> carstenh, nope, but i'm 'allowed' to pay for 1024 :) [10:00] <stianj> seb128, or you were maybe talking about pornview? It just started segfaulting at startup about a month ago after an upgrade... Have no idea why.. [10:00] <ogra> carstenh, the signal normally breaks down to unusable at 4.5km [10:00] <carstenh> ogra: then the cd is either very small or your 768 are very fast [10:00] <\sh> ogra: hmmm...they should put a repeater between you and the VST [10:00] <seb128> stianj: nop, the cursor bug [10:01] <ogra> carstenh, wget shows 79.14K/s [10:01] <carstenh> ogra: i think i remember a higher distance [10:01] <\sh> carstenh: 4km is the magical frontier normally...4.5km is good will, 5km a wonder >5km is hell [10:01] <ogra> carstenh, thats what they told me... after i made some trouble... since in te beginning they switched it to 256 [10:02] <\sh> carstenh: copper lines...I think it's mounted on lampposts in ogras area ,-) [10:02] <stianj> seb128, that's just ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default/ /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/gnome, and everything went bananas here.. [10:02] <ogra> \sh, exactly [10:02] <\sh> ogra: really, I mean it was just a guess... [10:03] <stianj> seb128, it's 100% reproducible. Make that symlink and click on a titlebar (whichever) [10:03] <stianj> seb128, can you reproduce? [10:03] <ogra> \sh, except everything has its own pole ... one for power, one for phone... [10:03] <seb128> I'll try later [10:03] <seb128> I kind of use my apps atm [10:03] <\sh> and I'm sure, daniels forgot a Replaces: in the debian/control [10:03] <\sh> ogra: that's for sure...everything is iso9001 *lol'* [10:03] <stianj> seb128, hehe, ok :) [10:04] <\sh> else even [10:04] <stianj> should I file a bug regarding the pornview issue, or is pornview more or less abandoned? [10:04] <carstenh> ogra: the graph i saw was about the maximum distance of dsl at all, not the bandwidth the telekom offers, so i guess you are right :) [10:05] <rob^^^> are daily builds mirrored anywhere? [10:05] <\sh> carstenh: the higher the bandwidth, the higher the frequency (modulation) on the lines...the longer the cables, more biterrors occur..so the bandwidth decreases [10:05] <ogra> carstenh, i'd have a faster line if i could get one, i kind of live from this connection :) [10:06] <\sh> ogra: ask QSC? they're working with better hardware...but using the same wires [10:06] <ogra> my next house will have a 10Mbit SDSL line ;) [10:07] <ogra> \sh, i'm not sure i'll stay here, too much trouble with my silly landlord living in the cellar... [10:08] <\sh> ogra: eeks...yes...I forgot [10:09] <\sh> ogra: i have to find another flat as well...this flat is becoming to expensive. [10:09] <ogra> \sh, looks like we'll probably move to hessen, i leave the decision for the next house to suse ... [10:09] <Nafallo> SuSE? [10:09] <ogra> \sh, you have to find a better job, not a cheaper flat [10:10] <ogra> Nafallo, my GF susanne :) [10:10] <Nafallo> ogra: *puuh* [10:10] <ogra> heh [10:10] <\sh> ogra: I quote daniels: "harhar" [10:10] <\sh> ah...new job [10:10] <\sh> yes [10:11] <\sh> jane gave me some interessting links for immigrating to ZA and getting a working permit..lets check [10:11] <ogra> heh [10:11] <ogra> \sh, i know someone with a connection to an ostrich farm, i could get you a job if you need one :) [10:12] <ogra> \sh, as .. hrm, cowboy ... hehe [10:12] <\sh> ogra: it's no joke...if I find a job in ZA somewhere in durban, cape town or joburg...I'll leave this country...starting from scratch [10:13] <ajmitch> \sh: why ZA? [10:13] <ogra> \sh, good plan, i'd join... but ETOOMANYANIMALS [10:14] <\sh> ajmitch: because I love this country...and u can do many things helping to develop the country there and help the people [10:14] <\sh> ajmitch: psst, the truth: because of the wine and the biltong there...and the steaks are tasting like steaks not like drugs ,) [10:15] <ajmitch> hehe [10:15] <\sh> ajmitch: and jeffreys bay is a good place for living ;) [10:15] <ogra> \sh, hey, other people pay a lot for their testosterone shots [10:16] <\sh> ogra: man, warn me before u doing this...I just swallowed my cigarette [10:17] <ogra> \sh, so stay meateater in germany and just start bodybuilding.... soon there are chances you become mdz's gouvernor [10:18] <\sh> ogra: no ways...my goals are set: max. 3 years and I'm living in Durban near the beachfront or Jeffreys Bay or Hermanus..depends on my money and the job I'm getting there :) [10:18] <mdz> ogra: I thought he was from austria [10:19] <mdz> (the governor, not \sh ;-) ) [10:19] <ogra> mdz, no reason to not replace him with a german :) [10:20] <\sh> about what are u talking? who should I replace? [10:20] <Nafallo> the good thing with ubuntu is that it is fun while it's no-fun :-) [10:20] <mdz> Nafallo: no-fun? [10:20] <ajmitch> \sh: ah, so it was wxversion to get bittorrent going? :) [10:21] <\sh> ajmitch: yes :) and bittornado as well... [10:21] <mdz> ogra: why is it taking so long for you to download if you had a copy of 20050815? the changes are not large [10:21] <ajmitch> heh :) [10:21] <Nafallo> mdz: several wars on ubuntu sweden vs. a local lug for the SFD :-/ [10:21] <Keybuk> what's the thing you put in a bug alias to indicate it's a debian bug? [10:21] <Nafallo> mdz: I found the role of peacemaker ;-) [10:21] <mdz> Keybuk: deb<bug number> [10:21] <Keybuk> #8627 is a general dpkg problem and not ubuntu-specific (and too hard to fix for just ubuntu at this stage) [10:21] <Nafallo> anyway, we will co-op again now :-) [10:21] <mdz> Keybuk: that's to associate it with an existing Debian bug [10:21] <Keybuk> is filling that in an alias and marking the bug NOTWARTY valid for this? [10:21] <Nafallo> after som phonecalls ;-) [10:22] <mdz> Keybuk: UPSTREAM would be the appropriate status [10:22] <ogra> mdz, because i dont have the iso anymore.... my burner is in the testserver i reinstalled ... [10:22] <ogra> i havent kept a copy... :( [10:22] <Keybuk> okies [10:23] <doko> mdz: please could you promote libcapi20-3 to main (was unbuildable for some time, therefore the late change) [10:25] <pitti> guys, can you please check whether you have /etc/udev/scripts/removable.sh and call dpkg -S on it? [10:25] <mdz> doko: just a soname change? [10:25] <doko> yes [10:25] <mdz> not a new library? [10:26] <doko> no, we did have libcapi20-2, part of isdnutils ;) [10:26] <\sh> pitti: i have it, but dpkg -S tells me I don't have it [10:26] <mdz> doko: there is no libcapi20-3 in breezy [10:26] <doko> ? [10:26] <\sh> mdz: it's part of the new build of isdnutils of doko [10:26] <pitti> \sh: same for me, this is the cause for many of my bugs... [10:27] <mdz> ...which would be waiting in NEW [10:27] <doko> ok, that could be. [10:27] <mdz> doko: I've processed it; ping me again when it's in the archive so that it can be promoted [10:27] <\sh> pitti: so this could be the issue why on my portege the usb stuff is not popping up automatically? [10:27] <ogra> pitti, same here [10:29] <pitti> ogra, \sh: yes, I have a lot of dup bugs which look similar [10:29] <\sh> pitti: w8..lemme have a look on the portege [10:29] <ogra> yippie, edubuntu desktop is installable again :-D [10:30] <ogra> thanks :) [10:31] <ogra> i was a bit to quick with including tuxpaint/math ... but want to have a usable CD tomorrow... [10:31] <seb128> pitti: nice catch for the udev bug! [10:32] <\sh> pitti: ok...on the last clean install on this portege no removable.sh is in /etc/udev/scripts [10:32] <pitti> ok, then I think we have found the root cause of a gazillion hotplug bugs [10:33] <pitti> thanks for checking [10:33] <pitti> so who kicked removable.sh?? [10:33] <pitti> anyway, I'll put it back [10:34] <mdz> doko: what kind of changes are involved in "Upgrade to new aspell (old-style hashes). "? [10:36] <mdz> pitti: Keybuk touched it last ;-) [10:36] <Keybuk> "kicked" ? [10:36] <\sh> hmmm [10:37] <mdz> +1 breezy-install-i386.iso [10:37] <mdz> Keybuk: "made to vanish" [10:37] <Nafallo> anyone except fabbione know how stable the sparc port is? [10:37] <Keybuk> weren't me guv'na [10:37] <\sh> guys...when I copy the kernel config out of /boot/ and put it into a ubuntu kernel source tree...the resulting kernel should have the same symbol versioning as the running kernel? [10:37] <Keybuk> I debdiff'd before I uploaded <g> [10:38] <fabbione> Nafallo: stable for server install.... working out some issues with gnome and the toolchain atm [10:38] <doko> mdz: dependency changes only. [10:38] <fabbione> Nafallo: not all of universe is there yet.. main almost all [10:38] <doko> 1. Change "Provides: aspell6-dictionary" to "Provides: [10:38] <doko> aspell6a-dictionary" [10:38] <doko> 2. Ensure dictionary files are installed to /usr/lib/aspell [10:38] <doko> 3. Remove any dependency on libaspell15 (see #310590) or aspell-bin [10:38] <doko> (which no longer exists). Instead depend on aspell (>= 0.60.3-2). [10:39] <Nafallo> fabbione: not something for people to try out in a booth on SFD then? :-/ [10:39] <mdz> doko: the kind that make uninstallable packages installable, or the kind which make installable packages uninstallable? [10:39] <fabbione> Nafallo: nope... [10:39] <doko> the former, of course [10:39] <\sh> ogra: name a good wifi scanner app in ubuntu [10:39] <fabbione> Nafallo: not something you can show as desktop [10:39] <mdz> doko: if this causes my CD builds to be broken, I will be very unhappy [10:40] <mdz> I am trying to prepare a Colony release [10:40] <ogra> \sh, dunno, #ubuntu-motu got spammed a lot by wifi-radar discussions, i dont have a use for such tools out here [10:40] <doko> mdz: all the aspell changes will unbreak things [10:40] <Nafallo> fabbione: oki, thanx :-) [10:40] <\sh> ogra: k... [10:41] <fabbione> Nafallo: no problem.. hopefully we will make breezy in a decent state [10:41] <fabbione> Nafallo: breezy+1 will be a dead line for me [10:41] <ogra> \sh, i'm pretty sure the next wifi is more ten 20km away [10:41] <ogra> then [10:41] <seb128> pitti: please stop restart dbus on upgrade, I'm borred to be slaped by dbus upstream and GNOME guys :/ [10:41] <Nafallo> fabbione: nice :-) [10:41] <\sh> ogra: hehe :) [10:41] <pitti> seb128: feature freeze? [10:42] <Mez> just wondering: wheres the fglrx kernel module gone? [10:42] <pitti> seb128: why do they slap you? [10:42] <seb128> pitti: restart is a feature? [10:42] <seb128> pitti: because they keep getting random weird bugs or crashs [10:42] <pitti> switching it off is easy, but why should we? [10:42] <pitti> the only thing that crashes is the battery applet [10:42] <seb128> pitti: and that's getting worst with the number of apps using dbus [10:42] <pitti> but daniels told me that this is cared for [10:43] <pitti> hmm [10:43] <pitti> I talked with daniels and jdub about this this morning [10:43] <pitti> maybe we four should talk about this again [10:43] <seb128> pitti: we are going to loose this fight, we can't patch the world again upstreams [10:43] <seb128> pitti: I talked for 1 hours with walters on #gnome-hackers last week [10:43] <pitti> seb128: reminds me of win 2k, one reboot for every system change... :-/ [10:44] <seb128> you already restart for an xorg upgrade [10:45] <seb128> no big difference for dbus [10:45] <seb128> keep it running, it keeps working for the session [10:45] <pitti> the session bus is not restarted [10:45] <pitti> we should try to limit the packages that require a reboot [10:45] <seb128> yeah, I agree [10:45] <seb128> but now a part of the desktop use dbus [10:46] <seb128> there is a branch of gnomevfs using dbus instead of bonobo [10:46] <seb128> and same for evolution [10:46] <seb128> and rhythmbox [10:46] <seb128> etc [10:46] <seb128> we are going to have to patch the world against upstream [10:46] <seb128> I'm not sure that's worth the efforts [10:46] <pitti> all of these things use the system bus? [10:46] <pitti> agreed, we can't patch them all [10:47] <pitti> patching g-v-m, update-notifier and battery-applet is still sane [10:47] <seb128> not sure, I've not tried all the stuff switching to dbus [10:47] <seb128> but take the print stuff and cups [10:48] <pitti> so to change this, we need to change just dbus itself and hal, AFAICS [10:48] <\sh> ok...coming back just now [10:49] <\sh> back with portege [10:49] <Keybuk> score! I found a still-in-its-box PS/2 Mouse in the loft [10:50] <mdz> hmm [10:50] <mdz> so I don't suppose anyone besides me has tested a live CD in the past few days [10:50] <mdz> because xresprobe seems to be broken [10:50] <seb128> still 1h30 to get mine [10:51] <\sh> mdz: tell me something else about libgl1-xorg-dri...is it a missing Replaces on xlibmesa-dri? [10:51] <Keybuk> ...now all I need is a PS/2 port; d'oh [10:51] <mdz> \sh: no idea, ask daniels [10:51] <pitti> mdz: I tested the dvd, but I didn't even come that far - stage1 b0rked because of missing kernel modules [10:51] <\sh> oh...and battery monitor crashed when I'm changing from battery mode to charging mode [10:51] <\sh> on portege at least [10:51] <mdz> pitti: I haven't even built DVDs [10:52] <mdz> whatever is there is presumably a broken weekly build from some time ago [10:52] <pitti> well, it is from August 13 [10:52] <pitti> not so bad [10:52] <pitti> of course the live image can be much older [10:54] <doko> mdz: libcapi20-3 is in the archive [11:03] <Keybuk> Mez: 'sup? [11:04] <Keybuk> sweet, I managed to really annoy X by unplugging the mouse during a click [11:04] <Mez> what time do the SB lug meetinsg normally run ... I might pop over to it this thursday if it aint too late for me to get the train back [11:04] <Mez> lmao @ keybuk [11:04] <Mez> er ... [11:04] <Mez> why did you do that [11:07] <Keybuk> dunno, I've never turned up for an SB lug meeting other than the one I talked at [11:07] <Mez> lmao ... [11:07] <Mez> gonna continue the trend? [11:07] <Keybuk> I generally don't remember them [11:08] <Mez> dont remember what# [11:08] <\sh> dear gnomes..please adjust your keyboard shortcuts for changing desktops [11:08] <Keybuk> that they're on [11:08] <Mez> to ctrl + tab [11:08] <\sh> argl... [11:09] <Nafallo> \sh: adjust them yourself ;-) [11:09] <Nafallo> \sh: ALT+F# wfm ;-) [11:09] <\sh> why not ctrl+tab+alt+t or something...is ctrl+f1 or alt+f1 to bad? [11:10] <\sh> Nafallo: well..actually it's my good will to use gnome at all...but sometimes I'm stucked [11:10] <\sh> and did I say that the portege is burning my left knee? [11:11] <Nafallo> :-) [11:11] <\sh> the fan is not starting at all...but it's quite hot [11:12] <Keybuk> Mez: debugging someone's mouse problem; and was leaning over when I unplugged it :p [11:14] <\sh> echo 'force_on: 1' > /proc/acpi/toshiba/fan [11:14] <\sh> nice trick to force cooling [11:15] <Nafallo> \sh: and to minimize the batterylevel? ;-) [11:16] <\sh> Nafallo: right now it's on the net ,-) [11:17] <\sh> hmm...last cigarette [11:17] <Nafallo> \sh: for life I hope :-) [11:18] <\sh> Nafallo: it's a dream..but it will last until tomorrow morning [11:18] <ajmitch> last one... until the next one, that is :) [11:18] <Nafallo> such weakness ;-) [11:19] <\sh> gnarf [11:20] <\sh> american scientist found out, that people wearing coloured glasses and smoking tobacco are the most creative and funniest people ever *eg* [11:30] <Keybuk> ok, that's really strange, the MAC address of my ethernet card has changed [11:30] <\sh> suddenly or with purpose? [11:31] <Keybuk> since I last net-booted [11:31] <Keybuk> oh, maybe that got changed with the system board [11:31] <Keybuk> it's changed from "Compaq Corp" to "Hewlett Packard" heh [11:32] <sladen> Keybuk: yes, it's burned into the eeprom [11:32] <Nafallo> lol [11:32] <Nafallo> :-) [11:32] <\sh> so with purpose...;) [11:33] <Nafallo> that's like the time so tried why a card could load both 8139too and 3c509 :-P [11:33] <Nafallo> but only would work with 3c509 ;-) [11:33] <Nafallo> -ETWOCARDS :-P [11:35] <mdz> fabbione: what changes did you make to portmap? [11:35] <mdz> it no longer has the correct default [11:36] <mdz> your changelog was rather nonspecific [11:42] <Keybuk> mjg59: ping? [11:46] <pitti> mvo: I thought with serpentine? [11:46] <Nafallo> with serpentine :-) [11:46] <mvo> pitti: I haven't found a "copy cd" with it [11:46] <Nafallo> ah, _copy_ cds [11:46] <mvo> yep :) [11:47] <Nafallo> nautilus-cd-burner I believe? [11:47] <mvo> does anyone know how? I right clicked on the cd but no "copy" or "duplicate" or something option [11:48] <mvo> oh, found it [11:48] <Nafallo> I got Copy Disk on my empty CD-rom ;-) [11:48] <mvo> hm, the right-click menu from the audio-cd on the desktop is different from the one in "computer". is this supposed to be? [11:49] <seb128> mvo: not sure [11:50] <mvo> seb128: it's pretty cool that n-c-b can copy now too :) does it use cdrdao for it? [11:50] <seb128> pitti: do you know why dpkg ask for not move/changed file: #12318 ? [11:50] <seb128> mvo: yeah, pitti has make a wiki page for it this morning (thanks pitti!) [11:50] <mvo> pitti++ [11:50] <mvo> :) [11:52] <pitti> seb128: no idea, maybe it wasn't a conffile in the past or moved from one package to another? [11:52] <seb128> pitti: moved, no ... not a conffile file, maybe, thanks for the hint [12:00] <ogra__> night mvo [12:01] <mvo> hey ogra__! how is colony going? [12:01] <ogra__> burning... ready for installation in 3 mins [12:02] <seb128> pitti: k, that was that ... the debian packagin has "rules: perl -pi -e 's#^/etc/gdm/factory-gdm.conf\n##sm' debian/gdm/DEBIAN/conffiles" [12:02] <mvo> rock, fingers crossed that it works fine [12:02] <mpt> 1. Open it in Nautilus. 2. Try to drag stuff. 3. Weep hot tears. 4. I'm not sure what step 4 is. :-) [12:03] <Nafallo> mpt: file a bug? :-) [12:03] <seb128> mpt: what is that supposed to do? works for me [12:03] <paolo-> Why is it called "Colony" ?:)

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:39.113411

2005-08-21-#launchpad

[01:03] <elmo> err, mpt/kiko what are you guys talking about in that DPoT thread? [01:03] <jordi> that's a great question [01:03] <elmo> you realise the missing ".2" is a packaging bug, long since fixed, right? [01:03] <elmo> and nothing to do with launchpad... [01:27] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [r=salgado] implement DistroReleaseBugTargeting (patch-2256: brad.bollenbach@canonical.com) [01:37] <kiko-zzz> elmo, thanks for the tip [01:37] <kiko-zzz> I didn't realize that, no -- should I have? [01:37] <elmo> I don't know, but I'm not sure why you and mpt are discussing it [01:38] <elmo> they're two separate issues and only one is actually a launchpad bug [05:11] <interalia> hi [05:11] <interalia> the various products under https://launchpad.net/products/+all - are the arch trees meant to be tracking upstream CVS only? [05:17] <jamesh> yes [05:21] <interalia> ah ok, so not the ubuntu version that might have patches applied? [05:21] <bob2> not yet [05:21] <interalia> meaning it's meant to track that instead, or in addition? [05:22] <bob2> it will do that in addition [05:25] <interalia> cool, thanks [05:25] <jamesh> interalia: the Big Plan(tm) is that you will have branches off the mainline that represent the release tarballs made by upstream, and then each patch included in the Ubuntu debs would be a branch off the tarball branch [06:23] <robitaille> I'm getting a system error on this url: https://launchpad.net/people/jdub [06:23] <robitaille> is that a bug? [06:24] <spiv> system errors are always bugs :) [06:24] <spiv> Yeah, this is a known bug. [06:25] <spiv> One of our most frequent dupes. [06:25] <robitaille> bug number? [06:26] <spiv> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1313 [06:27] <robitaille> thanks [06:56] <mpt> ok, I have to tweak the System Error page [06:57] <mpt> "Yes, this is a bug. No, please don't copy this helpful text into a bug report, we know what it says, it's the same every time, and mpt's writing doesn't need any wider distribution." [06:57] <spiv> mpt: :) [07:25] <jamesh> would it be possible to include the URL to the error page? [07:25] <jamesh> or some token we could use to look up the error they got? [07:25] <ben__> ok can somebody help me sign the darn code of conduct [07:25] <ben__> doing things in the way I would expect them to work [07:26] <ben__> str: Code of Conduct digest do not match: [07:26] <spiv> jamesh: It should be possible to include a token, I'd think. [07:26] <ben__> gpg --clearsign [07:26] <ben__> then password [07:26] <jamesh> spiv: I guess a link would be a bad idea, since the tracebacks aren't visible without the client cert [07:26] <ben__> then code of conduct text [07:26] <ben__> then ctrl-d [07:27] <ben__> then copy-paste output [07:27] <ben__> no dice [07:27] <jamesh> ben__: try saving the code of conduct to a file, then do "cat filename | gpg --clearsign > signedfile" [07:28] <jamesh> https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.0/+download <- download link [07:28] <ben__> thanks I'll give it a go [07:29] <jamesh> ben__: it wants to make sure that the text you GPG-signed is the same as the text on the website, but doing a copy/paste from the web browser can give you different white space [07:30] <ben__> ah ok [07:30] <ben__> well the file thing work [07:30] <ben__> ed [07:30] <ben__> though I copied-pasted that too [07:31] <ben__> thanks a lot [09:24] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/dists--devel--0: [trivial] production and staging updates (patch-106: stuart.bishop@canonical.com) [09:59] <loreto> hello [09:59] <spiv> Hi. [09:59] <loreto> rosetta is down? [10:00] <spiv> stub's doing a production rollout atm I think. [10:00] <spiv> It should be back shortly (with shiny new code ;) [10:00] <loreto> oh, ok :-) [10:02] <carlos> morning [10:03] <stub> Yay for our 'system down for maintenance' page [10:03] <stub> :-P [10:03] <stub> spiv: Can you please bounce the librarian [10:05] <carlos> stub, hi, is the error with the "fix white space" script happening with the change I did last week? I mean did you executed it from the same version that the fuzzy one? [10:05] <stub> think so [10:06] <stub> I'll confirm in a tick if you like [10:07] <carlos> stub, yes, please, because I think I fixed that problem and I don't understand how is that it's happening again... [10:19] <spiv> stub: bounced [10:34] <stub> carlos: The exception is still being raised with current rocketfuel [10:34] <carlos> stub, ok, I will take another look... [10:34] <carlos> thanks [11:27] <carlos> mpt, hi [11:27] <carlos> mpt, around? [11:29] <sivang> hi carlos [11:30] <carlos> sivang, hi [12:57] <Nafallo> mpt: morning :-) [01:52] <ondrej> mm all [01:53] <ondrej> can we solve that issue with Czech L10N team? [01:55] <ondrej> carlos: jordi told me yesterday, that you are able to promote me to administrator status for "Ubuntu Czech Translators" team... [01:55] <carlos> yes, I am [01:55] <carlos> ondrej, did you agree on that with the other team members? [01:56] <ondrej> carlos: yes, in fact I was asked by MadRabbit to take care of coordination... [02:00] <carlos> grr, My X server died again [02:00] <ondrej> [resend in case you were disconnected before you got my message] carlos: yes, in fact I was asked by MadRabbit to take care of coordination... [02:00] <carlos> ondrej, I saw it [02:00] <carlos> I was writing that [02:01] <carlos> I believe you and I'm going to give you those rights [02:01] <carlos> but I would remove them if the team says it's not true later, ok? [02:02] <ondrej> carlos: ok... no problem [02:03] <ondrej> right now I am organizing more people to get involved with czech translation, right now our *team* consist of three people :-( [02:03] <carlos> ondrej, it's a matter of time [02:03] <ondrej> brb... I am attending CC meeting as LoCo Contact and new Member... [02:04] <carlos> oh, fuck I lost my changes to the firefox spec .... grrrrrr [02:05] <carlos> ondrej, who is the main coordinator for the Czech translation team? [02:05] <ondrej> guess it's /me [02:06] <carlos> ok [02:06] <ondrej> I guess that MadRabbit started that group because he was first and I hadn't time to do any decent work for Ubuntu... which changed now :-) [02:09] <camilotelles> there was any update in the launchpad today? [02:10] <carlos> ondrej, you are an admin now [02:10] <carlos> I tried to give you the ownership of the team but seems like we have a small problem there.... [02:11] <carlos> salgado, good morning [02:11] <carlos> salgado, this one is for you... [02:11] <carlos> salgado, https://launchpad.net/errors/showEntry.html?id=1124194261.140.859884036012 [02:11] <salgado> morning carlos [02:12] <carlos> salgado, I got it when I tried to change a team owner [02:13] <carlos> salgado, I think it's related with the fact that daf is not an active member of that team anymore (that's true for most of Ubuntu translation teams) [02:15] <salgado> carlos, it shouldn't be, but that's obviously a bug. I'll check what's wrong and fix it [02:16] <salgado> thanks for noting that [02:16] <carlos> salgado, from the trace I guess that you try to set the admin flag to the old owner [02:16] <carlos> salgado, and you have an assert checking that he was already accepted as a member of the team [02:17] <carlos> salgado, but in that case, daf membership is disabled [02:17] <carlos> salgado, you are welcome. [02:17] <carlos> see you! [02:17] <salgado> carlos, this way you won't leave any more work for me [02:17] <salgado> that's exactly the problem. :) [02:17] <carlos> salgado, ;-) [02:21] <salgado> carlos, in fact, the problem is that I miss a flush_database_updates() before the call to add the old owner as an admin. [02:25] <BjornT> spiv: ping [02:28] <ddaa> morgs: ping [02:32] <spiv> BjornT: pong [02:33] <ondrej> carlos: thanks... [02:35] <BjornT> spiv: is it intentional that you can't upload a file with a name containing spaces, to the librarian? [02:35] <spiv> Hmm. [02:37] <spiv> I can't think of any reason off the top of my head, and the only restriction I recall is to do with /... [02:38] <spiv> What error do you get? [02:38] <spiv> Heh, I think even / is allowed atm. [02:39] <spiv> I can't see any obvious impediment to characters like space in the code. [02:40] <spiv> There's no tests for wacky filenames atm, though, so that should probably be added. [02:40] <BjornT> i get: UploadFailed: Server said: 400 STORE command expects a size and file name [02:41] <spiv> Hmm! [02:42] <spiv> D'oh. [02:42] <spiv> I have a thinko. [02:43] <spiv> Line 125 of lib/canonical/librarian/libraryprotocol.py should have a 1, not a 2. [02:43] <spiv> And, clearly, I need a test for filenames with spaces :) [02:44] <BjornT> spiv: ah. should i fix it? i'm fixing a bug related to it [02:45] <spiv> BjornT: Be my guest, but if you don't write a test for it make sure you make me write one tomorrow :) [02:45] <spiv> (it's nearly bed time here) [02:46] <BjornT> spiv: ok. btw, also regarding filenames, should you be able to pass unicode strings, or is the caller responsible for the encoding? [02:47] <spiv> Hmm, there should be documentation and tests added for unicode names too. [02:47] <spiv> So: [02:47] <spiv> The server expects to read utf-8 encoded filenames. [02:48] <spiv> The client at the moment doesn't seem to explicitly handle unicode. [02:49] <spiv> The database has the filename as a text column, so it is happy with unicode there. [02:49] <spiv> So, unicode should be allowed, although I suspect you need to explicitly encode it before handing it to the librarian client atm, which would be another bug. [02:51] <BjornT> spiv: ok, i'll see if i can fix it. if i can't, i'll let you do it tomorrow. [02:52] <spiv> Ok. [02:58] <Inglorion> i just discovered the rosetta interface for translation. it's very nice! only probleb is that i can't seem to find out how to become an official translator so that my translations can get entered more efficiently [02:58] <Inglorion> is there any way, or is this done on purpose, or what? [03:00] <sivang> guys, are you going to discuss the Launchpad Integration pages design on thursday's meeting? [03:01] <sivang> or should I just lay my ideas there and contribute to the spec? [03:04] <bradb> morning all [03:05] <mpt> morning bradb [03:46] <salgado> BjornT, around? [03:47] <BjornT> salgado: yeah [03:49] <salgado> BjornT, I got this weird failure ( https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/filei2prLh.html) when trying to merge into rocketfuel. any idea why? [03:50] <sivang> sabdfl: I finally got to see the LaunchpadIntegration hel pages specs as the wiki retunred fro brazil :) Should I just add to the specs , or should I discuss ideas and changes here before? [03:50] <sivang> sabdfl: s/hel/help/ [03:50] <sabdfl> LPIntegration is already started with implementation, so best discuss ideas before changing the specs or it might confuse the implementors [03:51] <sabdfl> jamesh, seb128 ^ [03:51] <sivang> sabdfl: lol, I meant for the pages that open in launchpad :) I know it's already in implementation on the clinet distro side , I helped lots of it and still working on the left unpatched packages :) [03:52] <BjornT> salgado: hmm, strange. which branch are you trying to merge? i'll take a look at it now [03:52] <salgado> guilherme.salgado@canonical.com/launchpad--smallfixes--4 [03:53] <salgado> BjornT, https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/guilherme.salgado@canonical.com/launchpad--smallfixes--4/filtered-diff [04:04] <salgado> mpt, I wonder if you could give some love on https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1630? ;) [04:05] <carlos> mpt, morning [04:05] <carlos> mpt, I think you broke something with the statistics bar change [04:06] <carlos> mpt, the "translated" color is missing [04:06] <carlos> mpt, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+translations [04:07] <carlos> mpt, you can see there that the bars are missing it [04:11] <kiko> argh [04:26] <mpt> oh dear [04:26] <mpt> looks like the translated bars all have a width of 1 [04:27] <mpt> I'll get on to that right away [04:30] <kiko> you kiwi! [04:40] <bradb> Should we have a fmt:age TALES adapter for, for example, showing the age of bug tasks? (which I currently need to do for the MaloneSearchResults implementation) [04:41] <mpt> bradb: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/PresentingLengthsOfTime [04:41] <mpt> bradb: That's even mentioned in the spec you're implementing, isn't it? :-) [04:42] <mpt> If you want to implement /fmt:approximateduration that would be awesome [04:42] <bradb> mpt: I already tried both exact and approximate, but both raised an exception [04:43] <bradb> also, fmt:approximateduration (or exactduration) give me little hint that that would show the age of the thing [04:44] <mpt> bradb: Are you calculating (now - date reported) and doing fmt:exactduration on the result? [04:44] <mpt> They don't know what dates you're comparing unless you tell them [04:44] <bradb> mpt: No. I expected it to just work. [04:46] <mpt> The fields for storing start and end of a build farm build, for example, are different from the date a bug was reported and ... well, a bug doesn't even have a field for "now" [04:47] <bradb> I went looking for how to find the age of an IHasDateCreated object. [04:51] <mpt> ah, that might be useful [04:52] <bradb> So, would it be useful if "task/fmt:age" just worked? [04:54] <bradb> The alternative is to write boilerplate for every IHasDateCreated object, to make it work with *duration, AIUI. [04:57] <mpt> sure [04:57] <mpt> I suggest discussing that with spiv, since he co-authored PLoT and implemented exactduration [05:09] <WaterSevenUb> carlos, what does this mean - "gettext for desktop files" proposal submitted upstream? - in the status of the languagePackRoadmap [05:09] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, we worked on a spec update so .desktop files use gettext directly to get translations [05:12] <salgado> BjornT, any news on that test failure? [05:15] <BjornT> salgado: no. i'm looking at it now, but since i can't reproduce it, it's quite tricky. did you try to submit the merge request again? [05:15] <salgado> yes, I tried [05:22] <mpt> ddaa: Had time to look at the samba/ubuntu-doc problem yet? [05:24] <bradb> Bug Title Test (5 days, 22 hours, 53 minutes, 12.7 seconds old) ;) [05:25] <mpt> heh [05:25] <salgado> BjornT, now I merged from rocketfuel (what shouldn't make any difference) and sent another merge request [05:27] <BjornT> salgado: right it shouldn't. and even if it does, it still needs to be fixed. i have some ideas now of what the problem is, though. [05:27] <salgado> kiko, changes to the PendingReviews page are not going to launchpad-reviews because we lost all subscriptions in the wiki. can you fix that for us? :) [05:27] <kiko> sure [05:29] <ddaa> mpt: it's on the top of my stack, but I've only been doing email and user support since the beginning of the day [05:30] <WaterSevenUb> Carlos, I'm sorry, I didn't understand yet much of the mechanics of the translations... This sentence for example, "But eventually desktop/server files should just use gettext() to translate entries since application's *.mo files already ship the translations." in the Roadmap.. For example in GNOME-CUPS-MANAGER POT file in Rosetta there isn't the string for translation of the desktop file, so how the binary MO file has it? [05:30] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, if it does not have it, we need to fix it to include them [05:33] <bradb> mpt: There are some problems with the MSR design, as pertains to the sp bug listing: [05:33] <bradb> 1. "in ..." won't be shown at all [05:34] <bradb> 2. there is no #2. [05:34] <bradb> I first I thought "for ..." might be a problem, but not anymore now that we have milestones for distros as well [05:35] <bradb> oh, but there is a #3 [05:36] <bradb> 3. reconciling the difference in horizontal space used by table vs. list view [05:37] <bradb> 4. for "accepted by X", is X always the assignee? [05:38] <bradb> 5. for "rejected by X", we don't know X [05:39] <mpt> Why 1.? [05:39] <sabdfl> bradb: that bugtracker refactor we did together hasn't landed yet [05:39] <sabdfl> any reason? [05:39] <bradb> mpt: it doesn't make sense; you're already looking at the source package [05:40] <mpt> bradb: ok, I guess I had more the bugs for a distro release in mind [05:40] <WaterSevenUb> carlos,can u quick look to http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13229? In the PO file I do not find "Printing" which is the desktop menu entry... [05:40] <mpt> bradb: w.r.t. 5., you know it if there is an assignee, otherwise you can just say "rejected" [05:40] <bradb> sabdfl: I haven't had time between landing SourcePackageBugListing, DistroReleaseBugTargeting, and now doing MaloneSearchResults (while letting BugTaskAssigneeWidget sit awaiting code review response.) Overloaded. [05:42] <bradb> sabdfl: if you'd say landing the BTS refactoring is more important that the list view listing, i'd switch to the BTS refactoring and make whatever other changes are need to get it into code review. [05:42] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, hoary or breezy? [05:42] <WaterSevenUb> carlos,breezy [05:42] <bradb> mpt: right [05:42] <WaterSevenUb> carlos, I mean .. .the desktop menu entry in Hoary was "Printing".... [05:42] <bradb> mpt: 3. seems like a fairly important issue [05:42] <WaterSevenUb> carlos, maybe in breezy it isn't anymore... [05:42] <sabdfl> bradb: was the bugtracker stuff on a separate branch? [05:43] <sabdfl> bradb: it just seems sensible to land work that is completed sooner rather than later [05:43] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, don't worry, it's easy to look for a .desktop reference inside the .po file, I don't need the exact word [05:44] <bradb> sabdfl: it was done along with trac integration, IIRC [05:44] <bradb> so, on its own branch [05:44] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, that application is not prepared to use .po files to translate the .desktop files [05:44] <mpt> bradb: I have no idea what you mean by 3. [05:45] <sabdfl> bradb: which branch? [05:45] <bradb> sabdfl: launchpad--malone-trac-integration--0 [05:45] <WaterSevenUb> carlos, the solution... is?:) [05:45] <bradb> mpt: That list view takes up far less hortizontal space than table view might cause display problems if the portlets remain on just one side. [05:45] <sabdfl> BjornT: you watched us write that code, can i take it r=bjornt? [05:45] <sabdfl> with appropriate tests? [05:47] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, added a comment [05:47] <WaterSevenUb> carlos, (and... how does the desktop menu entry code looks like in the PO file... give me some GNU manuals to read ;) ) [05:48] <BjornT> sabdfl: yes, with tests it should be ok by me. [05:48] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, sorry, I don't understand your question? [05:50] <WaterSevenUb> carlos, you said that looking to the PO file you can see immediately the ".desktop" reference inside, if exists.. how does it look like? I don't want to bother with this particular sort of questions so the solution is to learn from some place, if you can point some:) [05:50] <salgado> BjornT, same failure again. and btw, I just found that I can't reproduce it locally either. [05:50] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, the .po file has a section before every entry that tells you the file from where the string comes [05:51] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, it's just a reference to the file name and the line number where it was [05:51] <BjornT> salgado: i'll soon have a patch for you to test out [05:51] <mpt> bradb: So what do you suggest? [05:51] <salgado> BjornT, great. thank you [05:52] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, it's the "Located in" field in Rosetta [05:52] <bradb> mpt: Maybe only doing list view? [05:52] <WaterSevenUb> carlos, I see, thx. (nice and helpful community :-) ) [05:52] <bradb> I think not having a table view will annoy some people, but we could always wait and find out :) [05:53] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, you are welcome [05:53] <mpt> bradb: Ok, we can try that [05:53] <mpt> bradb: But don't rip out the table code, people might want it back badly :-) [05:54] <bradb> mpt: right, I'm preparing for that [06:02] <sabdfl> bradb: what's your archive name? [06:02] <bradb> brad.bollenbach@canonical.com [06:04] <kiko-fud> guys, I'm out for lunch. carlos the poparser is a work of art. the sort of art that requires killing chickens and offering them with candles to the dark overlord [06:04] <mpt> mmmm, chicken [06:05] <carlos> kiko-fud, I told you that already at .br ;-) [06:05] <kiko-fud> GONE [06:05] <carlos> kiko-fud, that's the last chunck of code that we need to kill [06:05] <carlos> so we don't get mad if we need to touch it [06:12] <bradb> Amazing that we don't appear to have a details portlet for sourcepackage. /me adds one. [06:13] <sabdfl> bradb: good job [06:26] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [r=spiv] make ProductRelease use auto-gen add and edit forms (patch-2257: mark.shuttleworth@canonical.com) [06:28] <sabdfl> ddaa: i merged in rf to the trac-support branch, and got a conflict because both brad and kiko had add a file with the same name [06:28] <sabdfl> it shoes up as TWO conflicts, one on the file, on on the .,arch-id [06:28] <sabdfl> ddaa: how do i remove the conflict on the .arch-id file? [06:29] <sabdfl> can i just remove the +rejects-list? [06:29] <ddaa> sabdfl: that should work [06:29] <ddaa> assuming that "baz resolved" does not, which seems to be implied by your question. [06:30] <ddaa> all this file addition conflict stuff is pretty fucked up [06:30] <sabdfl> ddaa: i assume that it will be greatly helped by the move to bzr [06:31] <ddaa> sabdfl: it can hardly be made any worse, this code base is plagued by cruft and an ill conceived attempt at unifying data and metadata. [06:32] <sabdfl> ok. ddaa what are you working on at the moment? [06:33] <ddaa> Right now, I have been flushing out the mailbox, doing user support etc. I'm about to set up an environment to test the samba import problem, overriding completion of the yet-unfinished importd-archivelocation work. [06:33] <ddaa> Since mpt nagged me repeatedly about it. [06:34] <ddaa> But I there's really a lot of work in the pipe with importd-archivelocation so I cannot defer that much longer. [06:35] <ddaa> sabdfl: spiv asked what he could do to help us with importd and cscvs work, and I think we could really use some on his time on that. [06:36] <sabdfl> ok [06:36] <ddaa> lifeless and I are bottleneck there and you also want me to work more on launchpad things, so I think it would really be great if spiv could join us in maintaining that code. [06:36] <sabdfl> ddaa: i'd really like to make some progress on the branches-in-launchpad stuff [06:37] <ddaa> sabdfl: I understand that, but I have a hard time prioritising my work. Also, I would really like to take the time to do my work properly. [06:38] <ddaa> Cleanups in importd-related code are taking a lot of time, and they are badly needed. [06:39] <ddaa> Having spiv work on cscvs and importd would help me work on launchpad-branches. [06:49] <sabdfl> carlos: how do i attach a new POT to a series? [06:50] <carlos> sabdfl, from the series URL, add +addpotemplate to the URL [06:50] <carlos> sabdfl, seems like that action link was lost with the release-> series migration [06:51] <sabdfl> i'll add it again [06:51] <sabdfl> ah, it's currelty launchpad.Admin [06:52] <sabdfl> that's interesting. i don't see it, but it's there. unless it's not in production [06:52] <carlos> sabdfl, is it? [06:52] <carlos> I didn't look at the code [06:52] <carlos> I just saw that the link was not there anymore [06:53] <carlos> a bug with the tal expression that hides/shows it? [06:54] <sabdfl> carlos: tell me, how do i create a new potemplatename? [06:55] <carlos> sabdfl, current URL is at https://launchpad.net/potemplatenames [06:56] <carlos> sabdfl, you should be able to search there for the potemplatename and to create a new one if it does not exist [06:56] <sabdfl> carlos: done, thanks [06:57] <carlos> sabdfl, np [06:57] <sabdfl> carlos: what's launchpad.Append? [06:57] <carlos> sabdfl, I added it to have the pot creation form fixed [06:57] <sabdfl> carlos: *crack* [06:57] <carlos> sabdfl, on production, launchpad.Admin is closed to Bazaar team [06:58] <carlos> sabdfl, steve told me to use that one [06:58] <carlos> sabdfl, is closed for productseries [06:58] <carlos> sabdfl, so we were not able to use that form at all [06:58] <carlos> it's a hack until the new permissions code lands [06:58] <sabdfl> i don't understand [06:59] <sabdfl> i just added a potemplate [06:59] <sabdfl> and that requires launchpad.Append [06:59] <sabdfl> so something is not working, if that was supposed to block people [07:01] <carlos> sabdfl, dude, you are an admin [07:01] <carlos> or are you using another account? [07:01] <carlos> sabdfl, any admin/rosetta expert has rights to use it [07:06] <sabdfl> carlos: ok. how long does it usually take for an import to happen? [07:07] <carlos> sabdfl, the run is executed every 10 minutes [07:07] <sabdfl> ok [07:07] <carlos> it should not take much more time than 30 minutes, it depends on how big he file is [07:08] <carlos> sabdfl, what did you import? [07:08] <sabdfl> carlos: newton [07:08] <carlos> what's that? [07:08] <sabdfl> it was requested today on the rosetta list [07:11] <carlos> sabdfl, I'm a bit behind on that list. Thanks for doing it [07:14] <sabdfl> no [07:14] <sabdfl> problem [07:14] <sabdfl> o [07:28] <silbs> carlos: can new languages be added easily in rosetta? [07:29] <carlos> silbs, yes, but it depends on Stuart's db access until we implement that functionality from the Web UI [07:29] <carlos> silbs, are we missing any language? [07:30] <silbs> carlos: not that I know of. I'm thinking of minority/regional langs and dialects that I suspect aren't on the list (although they could be - I haven't checked) [07:30] <carlos> silbs, if they have a language code, they should be there [07:31] <carlos> silbs, anyway, yes, it's really easy to do it [07:31] <silbs> cool, thanks [07:36] <sabdfl> bradb-lunch: is it possible to register a view against any context? [07:38] <bradb> sabdfl: I believe so. What are you trying to do, exactly? [07:38] <bradb> i.e. are you talking about for="*", or something else? [07:38] <sabdfl> make the browser/pref/country lang portlets generally available [07:38] <sabdfl> possibly, or just for="Interface"? [07:39] <sabdfl> zope.interface.Interface perhaps? [07:39] <bradb> sabdfl: I think for="*" is more Zope 3ish. BjornT, for="*" or for="...Interface"? [07:44] <BjornT> bradb, sabdfl: yeah, for="*" is generally used for everything [07:45] <ddaa> WTF??? [07:46] <ddaa> svn appears to ignore $HOME to locate ~/.subversion [08:15] <bradb> mpt: "Don't even think about implementing fmt:approximateduration until fmt:exactduration is working." -- I'm assuming exactduration is considered to be "working" now? [08:18] <mpt> bradb: yes. [08:19] <bradb> mpt: good. I'm implementing approximateduration [08:20] <mpt> awesome [08:21] <bradb> Just transferring that part of PLoT into tales.txt now. MaloneSearchResults looks goofy with fmt:exactduration. [08:24] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] don't hide dyson errors, and ignore slashes and dotses when creating cache filenames (patch-2258) [08:27] <Keybuk> it worries me that "baz merge $(baz tree-version)" often works much better than "baz update" [08:39] <bradb> "Applying 88 revisionsgarhatehatehate ..." [08:39] <Keybuk> only 88? [09:48] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: factor out error handling in handleMail(). make sure transaction is always comitted, hopefully fixing the intermittent test failure salgado had. r=salgado (patch-2259: bjorn.tillenius@canonical.com) [09:55] <ddaa> mpt: is there a viewsvn for ubuntu-doc somewhere? [10:01] <ddaa> Okay... I have some idea what's wrong. [10:01] <ddaa> looks like incorrect handling of directory copying [10:01] <ddaa> I need to learn more about svn though. [10:02] <ddaa> lifeless: ping [10:03] <lifeless> pong [10:03] <lifeless> it needs a recursive copy, like the recursive delete [10:03] <ddaa> I need to learn about the relevent model in subversion [10:04] <ddaa> it's apparently copying of something that used to be outside of the checked out tree, I have no clue about what that entails. [10:04] <ddaa> can you give me a pointer? [10:04] <lifeless> I thought I dropped you an email [10:04] <ddaa> hu... there's "while I'm on leav" [10:05] <ddaa> lifeless: there's a pointer to the relevent code [10:05] <ddaa> I would like a pointer to the relevent documentation [10:05] <lifeless> oh, the svn doco ? [10:05] <ddaa> you know, that thing that explains how the code is supposed to work [10:06] <ddaa> right [10:06] <lifeless> if you find some, drop me a pointer. [10:06] <ddaa> *sight* [10:06] <lifeless> the Source and Change classes implement an interface [10:07] <ddaa> I'll look for docs if that does not work. [10:07] <lifeless> which is extremely simple and documented in SCM.IChange/SCM.ISource [10:11] <ddaa> I must be thick, but I find no match for DirectoryAdd or copy_from_rev in cscvs... [10:12] <lifeless> ok, copy_from_rev is a member of the svn log that this is built around [10:12] <lifeless> copy_from_revision or something specifically [10:12] <lifeless> and the source file is AddedDir.py [10:14] <ddaa> I find a copyfrom_revision, but it only appears in the tests [10:14] <lifeless> ok, thats the one [10:15] <lifeless> so, if you look at Revision.py [10:15] <lifeless> The thing we need to fix is SourceIterator [10:16] <lifeless> as its not returning a complete iterator over the source - its only returning a single AddedDir element. [10:17] <ddaa> You mean ChangesIterator, right? [10:17] <lifeless> this means doing a ls of the revision when you see an added dir with a copyfrom_revision, because svn doesn't tell you what was copied in toto, only the top element. Which means a copy + delete + commit is fucking hard to deal with, but hey, its not my model. [10:17] <lifeless> SourceIterator [10:17] <lifeless> cscvs for the first revision in a branch iterates over the entire source doing .apply() [10:17] <lifeless> for the second revision it iterates over the changes doing .apply() [10:19] <ddaa> does not appear that hard, just ls the directory being added, any delete there is noise, since it's already accounted for in the listing [10:19] <ddaa> unless it's doing something evil there too... [10:20] <ddaa> of course, need to consider deletes occuring in the source if it's within the tree [10:20] <lifeless> nope. [10:21] <ddaa> lifeless: right, so it's changesiterator, since the dir is added in the second revision [10:21] <lifeless> its just a matter of a recursive ls of the revision, transformed into AddedDir and Added file elements [10:21] <ddaa> I tried cheking out the first revision, it's empty [10:21] <ddaa> lifeless: what I was saying [10:21] <lifeless> oh, the bug probably affects both PresentDir and AddedDir then [10:22] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: Lots of refactoring/cleanups in browser/logintoken.py and added options to people be automatically logged in after validating something that requires the password. r=spiv,SteveA (patch-2260: guilherme.salgado@canonical.com) [10:22] <ddaa> What is PresentDir about? [10:22] <lifeless> its for SourceIterator - its a dir that is present in that revision [10:22] <lifeless> but if its already present it doesn't fail, it silently does nothing. [10:23] <lifeless> as opposed to an AddedDir where apply() has to fail if it exists [10:23] <ddaa> in which situations is PresentDir idempotence required? [10:23] <lifeless> any situation its used in. [10:24] <ddaa> on base-0, there's nothing, so not needed. On subsequent revisions we are dealing with changes. [10:24] <lifeless> anyway, don't get sidetracked, neither AddedDir nor PresentDir themselves need to change [10:24] <lifeless> its all in ChangesIterator [10:24] <lifeless> look at ChangesIterator.py line 85 [10:24] <lifeless> theres a long comment there explaining what we do for rm's, which is a symmetrical situation [10:25] <ddaa> it makes partial sense [10:25] <lifeless> once you have a test case, you should be able to essentially copy and paste that to make it work, then refactor to reduce duplication [10:25] <ddaa> where should I look for the test framework? [10:25] <lifeless> modules/svn_oo/tests [10:26] <ddaa> okay... rephrasing [10:26] <lifeless> now, begone, I'm on leave! [10:26] <ddaa> bah... only 1090 lines... puny... [10:26] <ddaa> lifeless: btw, did you notice tomlord resigned? [10:27] <lifeless> yep [10:29] <mpt> ddaa: Apparently there isn't an ubuntu-doc viewsvn [10:29] <ddaa> mpt: it's okay, I understand the issue now. [10:30] <ddaa> did somebody here mention that svn sucks? [10:57] <mpt> ddaa: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/ [10:57] <ddaa> that's just subversion itself :) [10:57] <ddaa> can't you feel the evil? [11:04] <bradb> mpt: fmt:approximateduration is implemented 100% as spec'd (with a monster load of doctests); just gotta do some janitorial work in the implementation now ;) [11:04] <mpt> bradb, you're a marvel [11:06] <bradb> MaloneSearchResults will be much less user-hostile this way [11:12] <Hashar> hello there :) is rosetta available as open source ? [11:12] <Hashar> and if so, where can it be get from please :p [11:15] <bradb> Hashar: Rosetta hasn't yet been released as Open Source. It's possible (likely, even) that it will at some point in the future be available under an Open Source license. [11:16] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Add a missing flush_database_updates() in TeamReassignmentView. That's needed when the old owner is not a member of the team anymore. (patch-2261: guilherme.salgado@canonical.com) [11:17] <Hashar> bradb> thanks bradb ) [11:47] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [r=bjornt] make bugtrackers use auto forms (patch-2262: mark.shuttleworth@canonical.com, brad.bollenbach@canonical.com) [11:55] <sabdfl> mpt: what happened to the #launchpad reference at the bottom of the main_template? [11:56] <bradb> spiv: around? [11:56] <sabdfl> carlos: help, the barchart seems to be busted [11:57] <bradb> spiv: I have about 150 lines worth of fmt:approximateduration doctests in tales.txt. I want to break out into presenting-lengths-of-time.txt. Any objections? [11:59] <bradb> you sleep, you lose, boi! /me creates a new file. [11:59] <mpt> sabdfl: It's on the feedback page, together with more context about what the "#" means for people who haven't used IRC before [11:59] <mpt> sabdfl: I'm fixing the bar chart now [12:00] <sabdfl> mpt: coolio [12:00] <sabdfl> mpt: i would rather people hopped onto 'launchpad than filed bugs [12:00] <sabdfl> stub: ! [12:00] <sabdfl> was just thinking of you... [12:00] <sabdfl> is linkchecker in rf? [12:00] <stub> I miss you too darling [12:01] <Nafallo> sabdfl: karma :-) [12:01] <mpt> sabdfl: Ok, I'll rearrange the page [12:01] <mpt> reorder, rather [12:01] <stub> Not in rocketfuel in stuart.bishop@canonical.com/linkckecker--*--* [12:01] <stub> sabdfl: Or in the imports at arch.ubuntu.com [12:01] <sabdfl> stub: how far are we from being linkchecker bitch-free on sampledata? [12:03] <stub> I haven't actually run it against the sampledata. I've been more concerned with playing with it on staging (I think I have a pruning algorithm sorted out for reducing our 1million+ URLs to < 30,000 - should kick in soon on the staging update) [12:03] <carlos> sabdfl, mpt did some changes and he's aware of the problem already [12:03] <carlos> sabdfl, it should be fixed soon [12:04] <sabdfl> stub: i figure we should make it part of the test suite on sampledata [12:05] <stub> Should be doable [12:06] <sabdfl> stub: could you turn it on in "warning" mode asap? [12:06] <sabdfl> then we can drive warnings to zero [12:06] <stub> ok.

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:39.130279

2005-08-21-#kubuntu

[12:03] <brk3> crimsun: will it be in the respitories or are you putting it somewhere else on the net? [12:04] <phreakys> what file do i need to edit to allow virtual hosts? [12:04] <phreakys> (apache) [12:04] <crimsun> brk3: same place as my 1.3 beta 2 debs [12:04] <brk3> wheres that?!! i was in here asking about those a while and was told noone was making any! [12:05] <crimsun> sh.nu/~crimsun/amarok/ [12:05] <GatoNegro> hey [12:06] <brk3> crimsun: thanks! [12:06] <brk3> you working on it now then ya? [12:07] <crimsun> brk3: not atm, I have work. [12:07] <GatoNegro> i'm on a freshly burnt and installed kubuntu I can't remember setting a root password [12:07] <GatoNegro> lol [12:07] <GatoNegro> sorry but I need one [12:08] <GatoNegro> any takers? [12:08] <brk3> how many times do people have to be told [12:08] <brk3> GatoNegro: there is no root pass [12:08] <GatoNegro> excuse me? [12:08] <brk3> GatoNegro: do you know about sudo? [12:08] <GatoNegro> yeah [12:08] <brk3> kubuntu just uses that [12:09] <[Surge] > sudo passwd root [12:09] <GatoNegro> ah [12:09] <GatoNegro> ok [12:09] <EasterSunshine> that root stuff got me too, first time [12:10] <benjamin1254> or u could enable SU and put a password on that to activate it ... i knda forget how to do it [12:10] <EasterSunshine> back then, i was soo stupid, i thought it was my fault, so i changed my distro [12:11] <benjamin1254> oi i bet that sucked [12:13] <_dennis> hey folks! [12:13] <benjamin1254> sup denis [12:15] <brk3> crimsun: are you using the kde 3.4.2 packages? if you compile amarok with them will it work on the kde that comes with hoary? [12:15] <Octane> how long after ubuntu breezy is released will kubuntu breezy be released [12:15] <GatoNegro> hey is there a specific place I can find info on all of ubutu's quirks? [12:18] <jonkan> heey, here is a new kubuntu user and i need som help, my kopete dosent work :/ [12:18] <brk3> Octane: should be at the exact same time [12:18] <Octane> brk3: thanks [12:19] <Octane> is there anything i can do to help [12:19] <brk3> jonkan: what about it doesnt work? [12:19] <jonkan> when i try to log on to msn [12:19] <[Surge] > What does it not do? [12:19] <brk3> jonkan: you may have to update your version [12:20] <brk3> msn changed their shit that stopped the default version from working [12:20] <[Surge] > Mine works [12:20] <brk3> jonkan: does it keep asking for you password? [12:20] <[Surge] > Let me check the version [12:20] <jonkan> who do i do that? [12:20] <jonkan> i am a noob whit bad english [12:20] <jonkan> ;) [12:20] <jonkan> yes [12:21] <brk3> jonkan: update my man [12:21] <[Surge] > Kopete 0.10 [12:21] <_dennis> anyone here with a thinkpad r50p? [12:21] <jonkan> i have 0.10 [12:21] <[Surge] > kopete 3.4.0-0ubuntu2 Instant messenger program [12:22] <[Surge] > Do you already have an MSN account? [12:22] <jonkan> yes [12:23] <[Surge] > And I assume you added a MSN account [12:23] <jonkan> who can i update the program? [12:23] <jonkan> yes [12:23] <[Surge] > And used your MSN e-mail in the MSN Passport ID box [12:23] <jonkan> yes [12:24] <[Surge] > Does it keep asking for a new password? [12:24] <jonkan> yes [12:25] <[Surge] > I mean keep rejecting your password? [12:25] <[Surge] > I had the same problem [12:25] <jonkan> "the password was wrong....." [12:25] <benjamin1254> it does the same to me alot on kopete [12:25] <[Surge] > Yeah [12:25] <[Surge] > But I sorted it out ... now if only I can remember how [12:26] <[Surge] > I either re-installed kopete from universe or it was the new account I created on MSN (website) [12:27] <jonkan> is that the only way? [12:27] <[Surge] > Well you can also use gaim [12:28] <jonkan> and that is? [12:28] <[Surge] > Similar to kopete but Gnome based [12:28] <[Surge] > Multiple IM network client [12:28] <jonkan> where can i download it? [12:29] <[Surge] > synaptic? [12:30] <[Surge] > Or apt-get or whatever you prefer [12:30] <[Surge] > I'm sure it'll be in a repository [12:31] <mike1> can I run kubuntu on ubuntu warty? [12:31] <jonkan> this is the first time i use linux, so i cant so much :/ [12:31] <jonkan> *not so much [12:31] <mike1> changes source.list updates but still not there? [12:32] <mike1> I used hoary universe [12:32] <mike1> is there another souce to use? [12:33] <[Surge] > mike1: I think there is an answer in the ubuntu docs [12:33] <[Surge] > jonkan: Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file to include "universe" [12:34] <mike1> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe [12:34] <_dennis> hmm, why doesn't the libruby1.8 package include yaml.rb? [12:34] <[Surge] > jonkan: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories [12:35] <mike1> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe is what I have in my sources.list file? [12:36] <[Surge] > mike1: Not sure [12:36] <[Surge] > How old is warty? [12:36] <jonkan> i will try, brb [12:37] <mike1> It's the first one [12:37] <mike1> prob out in dec 2004 [12:38] <seth_k|away> Warty was released in Oct 2004 [12:38] <[Surge] > mike1: Have you read this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com//InstallingKDE [12:39] <mike1> no [12:39] <mike1> but thanks that looks like what I need [12:40] <[Surge] > It'll do a much better job than I can do :) [12:40] <[Surge] > jonkan: gaim is in "backports" [12:40] <jonkan> the comando "sudo gedit" dosent work :/ [12:41] <[Surge] > jonkan: Add the following to your /etc/apt/sources.list file : [12:41] <[Surge] > ## Backports [12:41] <[Surge] > deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [12:41] <[Surge] > deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [12:41] <[Surge] > Try sudo kate [12:41] <[Surge] > kate is installed by default [12:41] <GatoNegro> I love the fact that Kubuntu recogninzed my devices etc... but the whole root thing is getting to me [12:42] <[Surge] > Nah it's not so bad GatoNegro :) [12:42] <[Surge] > I got used to it after 1 day [12:42] <[Surge] > But if you want to you can "su -" to your hearts content [12:43] <crimsun> sudo -s [12:43] <crimsun> set a root password, then log in as root [12:43] <[Surge] > Yup [12:43] <pax> use official backports [12:44] <[Surge] > Where do I get a list of official backports? [12:44] <[Surge] > Still a bit green myself [12:44] <pax> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe [12:44] <pax> multiverse restricted [12:44] <[Surge] > Ta [12:45] <pax> mailing list here http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-backports [12:45] <mike1> surge: yes it looks pretty easy https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes [12:46] <td> Hi, a quick newbie question: I just installed kubuntu on my hard drive. Switching to root with 'su' is not working - I don't know which password I have to use... (?) [12:46] <[Surge] > pax so I can delete my old backports without a problem? [12:46] <pax> sure can [12:46] <crimsun> !tell td about root [12:46] <[Surge] > Not quite sure how it all works [12:46] <cartel_> hey guys [12:46] <cartel_> anyone using skype on ubuntu? [12:47] <cartel_> er kubuntu [12:47] <pax> and don't forget to sudo apt-get update [12:47] <pax> cartel, I do [12:47] <[Surge] > cartel_: Not yet ... I should install it [12:47] <cartel_> pax: works well? [12:47] <td> ? [12:47] <pax> perfect. [12:47] <cartel_> pax: i have problems connecting and when i do sound is choppy [12:48] <td> So what is the default root password in kubuntu? [12:48] <pax> cartel_: check the wiki for the fix [12:48] <crimsun> td: read the url I sent you [12:48] <pax> td there's no root pass, use sudo [12:48] <cartel_> pax: oh there is a fix, thx [12:49] <pax> td, if you are tired of typing the pass with sudo use sudo -i [12:50] <[Surge] > There should be a FAQ for new kubuntu users that pops up the first time you read it. [12:50] <[Surge] > With : [12:50] <[Surge] > 1. How to update your sources [12:50] <[Surge] > 2. How to set a root password and/or use sudo [12:50] <pax> [Surge] : kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list [12:51] <[Surge] > 3. How to use synaptic/knaptic/apt-get [12:51] <pax> [Surge] : if you insist on have root account enable it, sudo passwd root [12:51] <td> pax: Many thanks!! [12:51] <pax> on having* [12:51] <[Surge] > Yes I know pax - I was just making a list of common questions that all the new users seem to ask [12:52] <[Surge] > I already know how to do it [12:52] <td> crimsun: Thank you very much! [12:52] <pax> oh, sorry [12:52] <[Surge] > I'm just noticing those common ones when guys come here to ask questions and I was asking those same questions 3 days ago :) [12:53] <pax> [Surge] : ubuntu/kubuntu is well documented but you can never get people to check the docs before asking questions, it's human nature. [12:53] <[Surge] > That's why they should be popped up on a "welcome" screen [12:54] <[Surge] > In your face but only have to see it once :) [12:54] <pax> ubuntuguide (altho rookies don't like it) have almost every answer to newbies questions [12:54] <[Surge] > Yes [12:54] <[Surge] > But not every one has mastered the Internet yet :) [12:55] <[Surge] > It becomes a question of IRC vs HTML :) [12:55] <jsubl2> any one know how to get sound from java apps.. with gnome you disable kde.. can't seem to find a way to do it with kde tho. [12:55] <cartel_> pax: i cant even get it to connect to echo123 [12:55] <jsubl2> disable esd i mean [12:56] <pax> cartel_: check kmix and make sure your mic is working [12:56] <cartel_> it wont connect [12:56] <pax> oh won't connect, why? [12:56] <cartel_> the problem is not that there is no sound just wont connect [12:56] <pax> have username/pass? [12:56] <benjamin1254> echo123?\ [12:56] <cartel_> i can login to the service [12:56] <cartel_> other people on my lan can use skype fine [12:56] <cartel_> in windows [12:56] <[Surge] > jsubl2: Control Center->Sound and Media->Sound System [12:57] <pax> cartel_: behind a router maybe? [12:57] <cartel_> pax: did you just read what i said [12:57] <pax> sorry, I'm slow. [12:57] <cartel_> pax: brain lag :) [12:57] <benjamin1254> u must have loads of lag time then [12:57] <titus> salut tout le monde [12:58] <jsubl2> thanks [Surge] will check it [12:58] <cartel_> im going to try krecord [12:58] <pax> nah I just type slow (one hand), the left one is nerve damaged after an accident on the job couple of months ago [12:59] <benjamin1254> i wana use mine as a mini radio station so i can play music for the poor people on dial up... i although have 128kb cable internet... ne ideas how? [01:01] <sorush20> i'm using kubuntu and want to set the default file open dialogue, in every application to the kde open file dialogue.. [01:02] <benjamin1254> \:| [01:03] <pax> sorush20: nothing about it in kconsole > KDE componment > file manager? [01:03] <pax> component* [01:04] <sorush20> pax: I just don't know what you said.. sorry.. newbe.. [01:05] <benjamin1254> newbish speek plz lol [01:05] <pax> sorush20: explain again what you want do to, you don't want any file associations is that it? [01:05] <cartel_> any way to make kmix not monitor the mic [01:06] <pax> benjamin1254: I'm good at that since I'm newb myself :D [01:06] <pax> cartel_: what you mean not monitor? [01:07] <cartel_> pax: all sound in my mic is coming out speakers [01:07] <pax> oh echo, yes you have an option for that in kmix [01:08] <cartel_> dont see it [01:08] <phreakys> i cant seem to get phpsupport for apache. ;? [01:08] <pax> one sec let me fire it up [01:09] <pax> turn off mic boost [01:09] <pax> in switches tab [01:10] <sorush20> pax: no. in firefox when I use the open file command then the gnome file browser is used instead of the KDE browers.. [01:11] <benjamin1254> oi too much geek talk... i will be a geek in 2 years and 41 days from now [01:12] <pax> sorush20: ah never had a problem like that since I dont have gnome installed [01:12] <cartel_> now it doesnt record [01:12] <benjamin1254> how do u open the WM apps? [01:13] <pax> cartel_: if you turn boost off it doesnt record? [01:13] <sorush20> really.. can I just remove the gnome componets.. [01:13] <sorush20> form synaptic.. [01:13] <pax> sure can [01:13] <sorush20> but then there are somethings that are good in synaptic that are not as good in kde.. [01:14] <sorush20> synaptic is one.. [01:14] <benjamin1254> how do u open the WM apps? [01:14] <sorush20> where as knaptic seems to be lacking.. [01:14] <pax> you can keep synaptic [01:14] <cartel_> no now it just doesnt work at all in kmix [01:14] <pax> dont need the entire gnome desktop just to have synaptic [01:15] <pax> cartel_: toy a bit with kmix you'll get it [01:15] <benjamin1254> i know i had to and oi was it a pain in my posterior to get my sound to work right [01:16] <cartel_> ahh got it. capture was unticked [01:16] <pax> benjamin1254: what are you trying to do, sound is not working? [01:17] <benjamin1254> no [01:17] <pax> need more than that [01:17] <benjamin1254> how do u open the WM apps? im trying to get them to run but none will... i dont even see them in the start k gear menu [01:18] <pax> what WM apps? [01:18] <pax> Multimedia apps? [01:18] <benjamin1254> all of them... the cpu usage one and the one for the on screeen weather report [01:18] <benjamin1254> wmweather [01:19] <pax> I didnt know ubuntu come with wmweather nor what is it [01:20] <benjamin1254> ime using the kde version which doesent have it built in so u have to get it from the universal [01:20] <pax> if you have it installed, can't you start it from console? [01:20] <benjamin1254> idk how [01:20] <pax> if it exists then just add it with kmenuedit [01:20] <phreakys> i installed php out of the repos, but its without mysql support :/ [01:20] <phreakys> is there a mysql enabled version out of the box? [01:20] <pax> benjamin1254: open konsole and type: wmweather [01:21] <benjamin1254> bash: wmweather: command not found [01:21] <pax> benjamin1254: right click on Kmenu > Menu editor and add apps you have installed but not showing on the kmenu [01:22] <pax> benjamin1254: one a minute this some windowmaker dockapp [01:22] <benjamin1254> yes i do think so [01:23] <pax> you confused the hell outta me, why don't you use superkaramba much better than that crap [01:23] <pax> benjamin1254: sudo apt-get install superkaramba and go find some good themes from kdelook.org [01:24] <GatoNegro> tried it don't like it going back to good old slackware [01:24] <GatoNegro> nice talking to you guys [01:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> There's also kweather [01:25] <pax> phreakys: sudo apt-get install php4-mysql [01:25] <supernix> bravo nikkia [01:26] <supernix> That Python script you gave me runs rings around what ImageMagick did [01:30] <GatoNegro> sigh [01:30] <GatoNegro> I give up [01:31] <benjamin1254> i tried runing wmweather and i got the following output [01:31] <benjamin1254> Service '/home/benjamin1254/.local/share/applications/wmweather.desktop' is malformatted. [01:41] <supernix> OMG that is so sad [01:41] <jeffm_> hey guys [01:41] <jeffm_> im having trouble connecting to wireless networks on my laptop [01:42] <jeffm_> can anyone take a look at my /etc/network/interfaces and see if there are any problems? [01:45] <jeffm_> anyone? [01:47] <jsubl2> have you tried the wiki [01:47] <jeffm_> where can i find it? [01:47] <jsubl2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=wireless&titlesearch=Titles [01:54] <benjamin1254> i cant get liquidweather to run but i have the newest version of superkaramba [02:12] <benjamin1254> i cant get liquidweather to run but i have the newest version of superkaramba [02:13] <benjamin1254> i cant even see the file on superkaramba [02:23] <phreakys> arg [02:23] <phreakys> i just cant seem to get php with mysql working [02:23] <phreakys> help! [02:25] <utta> phreakys: have you installed php4-mysql? [02:25] <phreakys> yes [02:25] <phreakys> i even tried reconfiguring the package [02:25] <phreakys> its still without mysql [02:25] <utta> phreakys: have you restarted apache? [02:25] <phreakys> yea, several times [02:25] <phreakys> first killed all processes [02:25] <phreakys> killall -9 apache2 [02:26] <phreakys> but its still not working :/ [02:26] <phreakys> http://3k2.ath.cx/3k2.ath.cx/test.php [02:26] <utta> phreakys: what error message are you getting? [02:26] <phreakys> its in phpinfo [02:26] <phreakys> it says php is not compiled with mysql [02:27] <pax> apache-modconf apache enable mod_php4 [02:27] <pax> wait, apache2? [02:27] <phreakys> yes [02:28] <phreakys> something wrong? [02:28] <pax> mysql-server installed? [02:29] <phreakys> yes [02:29] <pax> did you test with info.php? [02:29] <utta> phreakys: go to /etc/php4/apache2, and edit the file php.ini - look at the end of the file for a line similar o extension=mysql.so [02:29] <phreakys> ehm with phpinfo () [02:29] <phreakys> ok, will do [02:30] <phreakys> yes, its there [02:30] <phreakys> ; End: [02:30] <phreakys> extension=mysql.so [02:30] <pax> sudo apache2ctl restart [02:31] <utta> phreakys: ok do an /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload and test again [02:32] <phreakys> i killed all processes of apache2 and tried again several times [02:32] <phreakys> its the same again [02:32] <phreakys> without-mysql :/ [02:33] <phreakys> do i have to build php? [02:33] <utta> phreakys: Ok try do a sudo apt-get remove --purge php4-mysql, then do a sudo apt-get install php4-mysql [02:33] <phreakys> ok [02:33] <benjamin1254> pax: i cant get liquidweather to run but i have the newest version of superkaramba [02:34] <benjamin1254> i cant even see the file on superkaramba [02:34] <pax> you'll need themes for superkaramba [02:34] <benjamin1254> yes i tried DLin it and i cant see the file for it [02:34] <phreakys> restarting apache [02:35] <phreakys> same :/ [02:35] <phreakys> i also have php4 package installed. maybe thats wrong? [02:35] <pax> benjamin1254: theme files you need to open are usually .theme [02:36] <pax> you need php4 [02:36] <benjamin1254> .theme well this one is a .skz file [02:36] <phreakys> ok, php4-mysql is not the whole version? [02:36] <pax> sudo apache2ctl configtest spits no error? [02:37] <phreakys> no real errors [02:37] <phreakys> only something about servername, but that should be irrelevant [02:37] <pax> sudo apache2ctl graceful [02:37] <pax> servername, hmm vhost [02:38] <phreakys> yea, ive got 2 vhosts [02:38] <phreakys> maybe try building php, instead of getting it from repos? [02:39] <phreakys> there are quite a few notifications of this kind of problem on google [02:39] <phreakys> didnt find the sollution yet though :/ [02:39] <pax> the one from repos should work,, you had problems with apache all along, you delete /etc/apache2 at some point iiirc [02:39] <phreakys> yea, but its ok again [02:40] <utta> phreakys: are you sure you have php setup with apache2? [02:40] <phreakys> yea, i installed php with kynaptic [02:40] <phreakys> and apt-get install php4 [02:40] <phreakys> + apt-get install php4-mysql [02:41] <utta> phreakys: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 as well? [02:41] <pax> --purge remove both and then sudo apt-get install php4 php4-mysql [02:41] <phreakys> yes [02:41] <phreakys> that one to [02:41] <phreakys> what does php4-mysql do? [02:42] <utta> phreakys: a2enable php4 done as well? [02:42] <phreakys> isnt it another build of php with the right stuff in? [02:42] <phreakys> a2enable? [02:42] <pax> functions for communicating with mysql database server [02:42] <utta> phreakys: yep, enable the module for use by apache2 [02:43] <phreakys> im not sure [02:43] <utta> phreakys: go to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled, and you should see 2 entries pertaining to php4 [02:44] <phreakys> yes, php4.conf and php4.load [02:44] <I_Eat_Plastic> I'm trying to brun a CD using k3b, it needs "cdrdao" to write CDs, where can I install this from? [02:44] <pax> he said he got phpinfo(); to work [02:44] <pax> !info cdrdao [02:44] <phreakys> yea, http://3k2.ath.cx/3k2.ath.cx/test.php [02:44] <ubotu> cdrdao: (Disk-At-Once (DAO) recording of audio and data CD-Rs/CD-RWs), section universe/otherosfs, is extra. Version: 1:1.1.9-3ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 385 kB, Installed size: 1088 kB [02:45] <utta> phreakys: phpinfo(); work correctly? [02:45] <phreakys> yes, its saying that mysql is not an option [02:45] <phreakys> --without-mysql [02:45] <utta> phreakys: OK, I'm baffled.... [02:46] <phreakys> but...php4-mysql...isnt that just a build of php with mysql config on? [02:46] <phreakys> tnx anyway utta ;) [02:46] <phreakys> u2 pax [02:46] <phreakys> im just a little keen to get this baby working [02:46] <utta> phreakys: no, it's a module that enables mysql for use with php [02:47] <phreakys> but if php isnt build with mysqlsupport? [02:48] <utta> phreakys: I have just looked at that link, and it says mysql is enabled. Refresh your browser cache and try again [02:48] <phreakys> yes?! [02:49] <benjamin1254> what theam has liquid weather? [02:49] <phreakys> its still disabled here :/ [02:50] <phreakys> ahaah [02:50] <phreakys> cool [02:50] <phreakys> its working [02:50] <phreakys> my god...i cleaned..i cleared like ten times firefox cache [02:50] <phreakys> and still --without mysql [02:50] <utta> phreakys: I think your browser was lying to you - it did not refresh the page cache [02:50] <phreakys> well, tnx for checking out [02:51] <utta> phreakys: Ok, No probs, Good Luck... [02:51] <phreakys> pfew, it works finally :) [02:51] <phreakys> tnx [02:52] <benjamin1254> what theme has liquid weather? [02:53] <pax> don't forget to delete test.php phreakys [02:54] <phreakys> ok, tnx pax [02:54] <pax> benjamin1254: http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=6384 [02:59] <benjamin1254> im still only finding it as a .skz file [03:01] <phreakys> ok, its up again :) [03:02] <phreakys> only need to change include path :/ [03:02] <pax> benjamin1254: you unpack first don't you? [03:04] <benjamin1254> no ... it says it is binary files and i tried it like it wanted first and it came out all scrambled [03:04] <benjamin1254> do rpm files work in kubuntu? [03:04] <pax> benjamin1254: could, try with alien [03:04] <benjamin1254> thats my sec question [03:05] <benjamin1254> alien? [03:05] <pax> benjamin1254: browser to the theme with konqueror, right click > Extract here [03:06] <pax> then open superkaramba > open file > browse to .theme > click ok [03:06] <pax> benjamin1254: yes alien [03:06] <pax> !info alien [03:06] <ubotu> alien: (install non-native packages with dpkg), section admin, is optional. Version: 8.50 (hoary), Packaged size: 112 kB, Installed size: 288 kB [03:07] <benjamin1254> LMFAO look at this xp theam [03:08] <benjamin1254> http://nigritude.sourceforge.net/nigritude-ultramarine/download.shtml [03:08] <benjamin1254> theme* [03:10] <benjamin1254> ;) tell me what u think [03:10] <pax> yeah it sucks :) [03:10] <benjamin1254> :)) [03:11] <pax> http://ninux.net/files/ubuntu.png <- this is what mine looks like [03:11] <benjamin1254> well it has an xp look to it thats what i find nice for the windows lovers [03:12] <pax> the entire point of running kubuntu is to stay as far I can from windoz [03:13] <pax> having a theme like that may lead to depression, revive old bad memories or even make me lose hair [03:14] <benjamin1254> LMFAO i agree with u but like its for thoes are too stuck on winblows to move over to linux.. . it may be even better if somone made a windows xp splash screen for it too to trick the parents [03:16] <pax> parents? *I* am the parent damn it [03:16] <benjamin1254> well some of these parents are computer illiterate u know [03:16] <benjamin1254> and dont know winblows is bad for there pc [03:17] <phreakys> :) [03:18] <benjamin1254> do u know how to run the splash screens... i mean replace them [03:18] <benjamin1254> for kubuntu [03:18] <phreakys> yea [03:18] <benjamin1254> how [03:19] <phreakys> i just installed em [03:19] <phreakys> with splashy! [03:19] <benjamin1254> splashy is a program i can get with apt-get? [03:19] <phreakys> apt-get install splashy [03:19] <phreakys> yea [03:19] <phreakys> it works fine [03:19] <phreakys> you only need to adjust the background [03:19] <phreakys> or go with the theme :) [03:20] <phreakys> personally i liked the commandline output. would have been great to have picture + commandline [03:20] <benjamin1254> Reading package lists... Done [03:20] <benjamin1254> Building dependency tree... Done [03:20] <benjamin1254> E: Couldn't find package splashy [03:20] <phreakys> hm, you have universe on? [03:20] <benjamin1254> yes the latest 1 [03:21] <phreakys> i guess splashy is part of the obscure list [03:21] <phreakys> lemme take a peak [03:21] <phreakys> http://pastebin.com/337903 [03:22] <phreakys> i guess its in the backports or something :) [03:22] <phreakys> apt-cache search splashy [03:23] <sproingie> no hits for splashy [03:23] <benjamin1254> so wich 1 do i do then the install splashy thingie... i see a list of mirrors [03:24] <benjamin1254> backport mirrors? [03:24] <phreakys> yea [03:24] <phreakys> etc/apt/sources.list [03:24] <sproingie> maybe because backports still hasn't heard of the 64 bit world [03:24] <phreakys> ehm, im not sure [03:24] <phreakys> ive got it in my repos though [03:25] <phreakys> and that one is working quite easily [03:25] <benjamin1254> what do i do to use it so i can search through with apt-get [03:26] <phreakys> it should be named as splashy [03:27] <phreakys> 'splashy - A complete user-space boot splash system' [03:27] <benjamin1254> oi too darn may files to sift through [03:27] <phreakys> you need to change your sources.list [03:27] <phreakys> and apt-get update [03:27] <phreakys> then it will be in the list [03:28] <phreakys> just make sure universe/multiverse and the backdoor thing is on [03:28] <benjamin1254> how do i change my sorces.list file? [03:28] <phreakys> open a terminal window [03:28] <benjamin1254> k [03:29] <phreakys> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list [03:29] <phreakys> check if all of the repos that were in the pastebin are present [03:30] <phreakys> i believe the standard file misses multiverse and backdoor :/ [03:30] <benjamin1254> yeah now how do i add it to the list? [03:30] <phreakys> backport [03:31] <phreakys> http://pastebin.com/337906 [03:31] <phreakys> put these 4 lines in [03:31] <phreakys> and make sure that all lines starting with deb, are uncommented [03:32] <phreakys> after that, save [03:32] <phreakys> ctrl-o [03:32] <phreakys> then update the list with: [03:32] <phreakys> apt-get update [03:32] <phreakys> then you should have it in your list [03:32] <phreakys> you can check with: [03:32] <phreakys> apt-cache search splashy [03:36] <benjamin1254> i tried updating the file and i cant [03:36] <benjamin1254> i copy and pasted it in [03:37] <benjamin1254> and it says i cant save it [03:37] <phreakys> no, you need to do it from nano [03:37] <benjamin1254> nano? [03:37] <phreakys> at least use sudo [03:37] <phreakys> yea, you need to have rootpermissions for that file [03:37] <phreakys> if you launch sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list [03:37] <phreakys> you get writepermissions [03:37] <phreakys> just enter your userpassword [03:39] <benjamin1254> i have this in my terminal [03:39] <benjamin1254> GNU nano 1.2.4 File: /etc/apt/sources.list Modified [03:39] <benjamin1254> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe [03:39] <benjamin1254> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted [03:39] <benjamin1254> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted [03:39] <benjamin1254> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe [03:39] <benjamin1254> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe [03:39] <phreakys> dont paste here [03:39] <benjamin1254> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse [03:39] <benjamin1254> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse [03:39] <phreakys> there are special sites for that [03:39] <benjamin1254> ## Backports [03:39] <benjamin1254> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiv$ [03:39] <benjamin1254> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multivers$ [03:39] <benjamin1254> deb ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multive$ [03:39] <phreakys> you may get kicked for pasting [03:39] <benjamin1254> deb-src ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe mult$ [03:39] <benjamin1254> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch major bug fix updates produced [03:40] <benjamin1254> ## after the final release of the distribution. [03:40] <benjamin1254> ^G Get Help ^O WriteOut ^R Read File ^Y Prev Page ^K Cut Text ^C Cur Pos [03:40] <benjamin1254> ^X Exit ^J Justify ^W Where Is ^V Next Page ^U UnCut Txt ^T To Spell [03:40] <benjamin1254> srry [03:40] <benjamin1254> :'(( [03:40] <phreakys> http://pastebin.com/ [03:40] <phreakys> use something like that [03:40] <pax> great benjamin1254, you just discovered copy/paste :-) [03:40] <benjamin1254> i seriosly dident mean to i just thought id show it here dident knw it was wrong o show my output here [03:41] <pax> it's okay nobody's watching, do it again (not) [03:42] <jonkan> is it any linux musik program that can play *.pls? [03:42] <phreakys> ok, you could use this one [03:42] <phreakys> http://pastebin.com/337903 [03:42] <phreakys> copy this paste [03:42] <phreakys> and then from terminal enter [03:42] <phreakys> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list [03:42] <phreakys> you'll get a gui-editor to paste it in [03:42] <pax> jonkan: last.fm? [03:43] <phreakys> save it, and you're set to go [03:43] <Sgep> Hi all [03:43] <phreakys> hi [03:43] <Sgep> What license it Unison under? [03:43] <Sgep> err... the Unison soundfont [03:43] <jonkan> pax, whats that? [03:43] <pax> jonkan: wants a music programs that plays playlists? [03:44] <jonkan> pax: yes [03:44] <pax> jonkan: what are you using now? [03:45] <jonkan> pax: i dont have any, i think :) [03:45] <pax> try amarok [03:45] <jonkan> pax: where can i fint it? [03:45] <pax> sudo apt-get install amarok [03:45] <phreakys> is it save if i just chmod 777 mysql datadir? [03:46] <jonkan> tanks [03:46] <jonkan> *thanks pax [03:47] <pax> why would you do that phreakys? [03:47] <phreakys> im having problems with mysql write permissions [03:48] <phreakys> "Notice: Table 'mos_session' is read only " [03:48] <pax> what are you installing now wordpress drupal something like that? [03:48] <phreakys> nah, ive got mambo and phpnuke running [03:48] <phreakys> but it cant write to the database somehow [03:49] <pax> and you created a database with root? [03:49] <phreakys> it uses a root user though [03:49] <phreakys> yes [03:49] <pax> why don't you create a user for that database? [03:50] <phreakys> well, thats a possibility. but ive allways been to lazy to create another user besides root [03:50] <phreakys> not an excuse [03:50] <pax> bad boy! [03:50] <phreakys> yea ;) [03:51] <pax> GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON databse_name.* [03:51] <pax> TO nobody@localhost IDENTIFIED BY 'password'; [03:51] <phreakys> hm [03:51] <pax> then flush privileges; [03:52] <phreakys> ive got 3 superusers [03:52] <phreakys> 3k2, localhost and debian-sys-maint [03:52] <phreakys> they got all rights according to phpmyadmin [03:53] <phreakys> should i proceed flushing? [03:53] <pax> up to you =) [03:53] <phreakys> :) [03:55] <pax> what's mambo? [03:56] <phreakys> its the succesor of phpnuke [03:56] <phreakys> a big chunk of modules cms [03:56] <phreakys> pretty cool if you like lots of useless modules and stuff [03:56] <phreakys> i like it [03:57] <phreakys> and its more secure than phpnuke i guess [03:57] <phreakys> my phpnukesite has been hacked twice [03:57] <phreakys> still like phpnuke though...im still amazed at what people think of to program [04:10] <pax> show me when it's up :c) [04:12] <JeffAMcGee> hacked twice and you always connect to mysql as root... [04:12] <phreakys> lol [04:12] <phreakys> yea, but i believe that was due to phpnuke's sql injection problems [04:12] <phreakys> ive never had a total security breach [04:12] <phreakys> so far... [04:12] <I_Eat_Plastic> How do I get the GNU C++ compiler? [04:12] <phreakys> just some polish or turkish crazy group putting their logo's on my life's work [04:12] <phreakys> ;) [04:12] <JeffAMcGee> for gcc: sudo apt-get install build-essential [04:12] <JeffAMcGee> That includes a few things like make in addition to gcc and g++ that you will undoubtedly need. [04:12] <I_Eat_Plastic> Hmm, that seemed quick, how can I be sure it installed? [04:12] <pax> gcc -v [04:12] <srineer> can some one point me to the apt-get reps for kubuntu? [04:12] <I_Eat_Plastic> Hmm, I keep get getting this error when trying to build-essential http://rafb.net/paste/results/oOUfeT63.html [04:12] <srineer> i have ubuntu [04:12] <pax> !repos [04:12] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [04:12] <pax> srineer: wait, reps for kubuntu are the same as for ubuntu, do you mean KDE? [04:12] <srineer> yes [04:12] <pax> topic [04:12] <I_Eat_Plastic> Hmm, I keep get getting this error when trying to build-essential http://rafb.net/paste/results/oOUfeT63.html [04:12] <I_Eat_Plastic> Sorry for double post. [04:13] <srineer> once i add the repos.... do i apt-get install kde or something? [04:13] <pax> srineer: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [04:13] <pax> sudo apt-get update before you do that [04:13] <srineer> done [04:14] <srineer> ok [04:14] <srineer> thanks [04:14] <pax> enjoy kubuntu [04:14] <srineer> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-deskto [04:14] <pax> deskto(p) [04:14] <srineer> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop [04:15] <pax> srineer: did you sudo apt-get update? [04:15] <srineer> yep [04:15] <pax> srineer: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to some pastebin [04:16] <I_Eat_Plastic> http://rafb.net/paste/ [04:16] <I_Eat_Plastic> ;O [04:16] <srineer> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted [04:16] <srineer> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted [04:16] <srineer> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342/ hoary-updates main [04:16] <srineer> deb-src http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342/ hoary-updates main [04:16] <pax> ouch [04:16] <srineer> deb ftp://bolugftp.uni-bonn.de/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubuntu hoary-updates main [04:16] <srineer> deb http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubuntu hoary-updates main [04:16] <srineer> deb http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/software/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubuntu hoary-updates main [04:16] <I_Eat_Plastic> Stop [04:16] <I_Eat_Plastic> x_x [04:16] <srineer> sorry [04:16] <pax> press Esc dear [04:17] <pax> it's okay I wasn't clear enough I guess [04:17] <I_Eat_Plastic> pastebin = http://rafb.net/paste/ [04:17] <srineer> ah [04:17] <srineer> well thats it [04:17] <pax> give us the url please [04:18] <srineer> http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZZDzgs73.html [04:19] <I_Eat_Plastic> Goto http://ubuntuguide.org/ [04:19] <I_Eat_Plastic> And goto section Repositories [04:19] <I_Eat_Plastic> follow instructions there. [04:20] <I_Eat_Plastic> Should help, [04:20] <I_Eat_Plastic> srineer [04:20] <srineer> hmm [04:20] <pax> srineer: copy this http://ninux.net/files/sources [04:21] <pax> then sudo apt-get update [04:21] <pax> then sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [04:23] <srineer> this is what i got http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZZDzgs73.html [04:24] <pax> yes, backup your list and try the one I gave you. [04:25] <pax> wo wo wo wait [04:25] <pax> you are using warty? [04:25] <srineer> yes [04:25] <srineer> ? [04:25] <srineer> sorry im new to ubuntu [04:26] <srineer> im used to debian and suse [04:26] <pax> we are curently using hoary would like just to stick with warty? [04:26] <srineer> since this is a new install would it be better to download kubuntu? [04:27] <pax> new install of warty? [04:27] <srineer> i only used this disk because i got it in the mail and it was setting here for a while [04:27] <pax> any reason why you are using warty, would you rather use the lastest release? [04:27] <pax> ah ok :) [04:28] <srineer> better to get kubuntu downlaod? [04:28] <pax> well since you have warty you could just upgrade :) [04:28] <srineer> ok [04:28] <srineer> apt-get dist-upgrade? [04:28] <pax> get my sources.list, sudo apt-get update [04:28] <pax> then yes dist-upgrade [04:28] <srineer> cool [04:28] <srineer> will do [04:28] <pax> then install kubuntu if you want [04:29] <srineer> thanks [04:29] <pax> good luck, let us know how the upgrade went [04:29] <srineer> np [04:32] <N17R0> hi can someone tell me how the hell can I stop ProFTPD from autostart at boot ? [04:33] <cartel_> rm /etc/rc2.d/S*proftpd [04:33] <N17R0> ok ty [04:35] <I_Eat_Plastic> Can someone tell me why I get this error message wen trying to apt-get install-essentials http://rafb.net/paste/results/oOUfeT63.html [04:35] <N17R0> and can someone tell me why the SMTP thing is starting at boot? [04:35] <N17R0> Starting nmap 3.81 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2005-08-16 04:33 CEST [04:35] <N17R0> Interesting ports on localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1): [04:35] <N17R0> (The 1660 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) [04:35] <N17R0> PORT STATE SERVICE [04:35] <N17R0> 22/tcp open ssh [04:35] <N17R0> 25/tcp open smtp [04:35] <N17R0> 631/tcp open ipp [04:36] <N17R0> Nmap finished: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0.203 seconds [04:36] <I_Eat_Plastic> Use pastebin please. [04:36] <I_Eat_Plastic> http://rafb.net/paste/ [04:36] <N17R0> ok sorry for that [04:36] <I_Eat_Plastic> It's alright, my request keeps getting pushed to the top, lol. [04:36] <N17R0> but i don't need smtp [04:36] <N17R0> and what the hell is "ipp" ? [04:39] <seth_k> internet print protocol, yes? [04:40] <N17R0> hmm that could possible be that, but is it needed to run linux ? [04:41] <N17R0> and ssh I also dont use [04:41] <N17R0> can those be disabled ? [04:41] <N17R0> and smtp [04:43] <thoreauputic> N17R0: nmapping yourself doesn't really tell you anything - those services are only listening on the loopback interface [04:44] <thoreauputic> smtp and ipp are used for mail and your printer [04:44] <thoreauputic> respectively [04:45] <N17R0> ok but isnt smtp a mail "server" ? [04:45] <pax> N17R0: install rcconf (runlevel configuration tool) and disable what you don't need [04:45] <N17R0> I dont need to run a mail server [04:45] <N17R0> ok let me check that tool [04:46] <thoreauputic> N17R0: yes, it's a mail server - but it is used locally for instance to send root / you messages about cron jobs, etc [04:47] <N17R0> alright thx for that info, im quite new on linux, i need to learn alot :P [04:48] <N17R0> nice tool rcconfig [04:48] <N17R0> *rcconf [04:49] <pax> don't go nuts with it disabling stuff you need :D [04:50] <N17R0> rofl [04:50] <N17R0> yeah I first need to know what all those services do [04:50] <pax> google is your friend [04:51] <N17R0> i know [04:51] <N17R0> btw [04:51] <I_Eat_Plastic> pax: can you help me quick? ;O [04:52] <N17R0> i dunno if i disabled this service accidently: bootmisc.sh_backup [04:52] <pax> ask away, many smart people around [04:52] <N17R0> u guys have that service also disabled/? [04:52] <I_Eat_Plastic> pax: You seem to be the only one responding, lol.. I'll ask though [04:53] <I_Eat_Plastic> When I try to sudo apt-get install build-essential I get this output error. [04:53] <I_Eat_Plastic> http://rafb.net/paste/results/Kd6Ix313.html [04:53] <N17R0> bootmisc.sh_backup = enabled or disabled by default ? [04:53] <pax> I_Eat_Plastic: what release are you suing? [04:54] <I_Eat_Plastic> Kubuntu? :o [04:54] <pax> warty, hoary, breezy? [04:54] <I_Eat_Plastic> hoary [04:55] <pax> enable universe and multiverse sudo apt-get update and try again [04:55] <N17R0> pls can someone confirm this: bootmisc.sh_backup = enabled or disabled by default ? [04:55] <N17R0> I maybe switch it off by accident [04:55] <I_Eat_Plastic> pax: I'm kindof new, can you put that in newbie terms? [04:56] <pax> I_Eat_Plastic: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list [04:56] <pax> uncomment universe and multiverse sudo apt-get update and try again [04:57] <pax> I'm newb too btw :c) [04:57] <I_Eat_Plastic> So I don't feel so alone [04:57] <pax> N17R0: if in doubt enable [04:57] <I_Eat_Plastic> :] [04:58] <pax> here, get my sources.list just cp/paste http://ninux.net/files/source [04:58] <pax> here, get my sources.list just cp/paste http://ninux.net/files/sources [04:59] <N17R0> ok [04:59] <N17R0> ok time to sleep [05:00] <N17R0> thx for help all [05:00] <pax> np, good night [05:00] <N17R0> ty [05:29] <Sgep> Test [05:32] <Sgep> dcop konversation Konversation sayToAll Test [05:33] <jsubl2> loaded kubuntu-64 breezy tonight.. it is lookin good. found 1 problem [05:38] <rgautam> hellooo [05:39] <jsubl2> hello [05:39] <userXa0> hi [05:39] <rgautam> hoz everything [05:39] <jsubl2> good [05:39] <rgautam> i m new to this channel. [05:39] <rgautam> i am gautam. n u? [05:40] <rgautam> jsubl? [05:40] <jsubl2> jim [05:40] <rgautam> great. where frm? [05:40] <rgautam> i am in japan now. [05:40] <jsubl2> dallas,tx usa [05:40] <jsubl2> rgautam: where you from originally [05:40] <rgautam> japan just had a 7.1 quake [05:40] <jsubl2> wow [05:41] <rgautam> jim i m frm India [05:41] <rgautam> WOW? [05:41] <jsubl2> damn 7.1 that is a rocker [05:41] <rgautam> it sure was. [05:41] <rgautam> and a long one too [05:42] <rgautam> the centre was away from our place though [05:42] <pax> linux is widely used in japan or what? [05:42] <rgautam> ya. its used pretty widely here [05:43] <pax> smart people [05:43] <rgautam> right. [05:43] <pax> in india too? [05:43] <rgautam> in india also, its very popular [05:43] <rgautam> i just started using ubuntu. [05:43] <rgautam> u guys tired it? [05:43] <jsubl2> ubuntu/kubuntu seems to be the best to me. [05:43] <userXa0> just installed kubuntu last night [05:44] <pax> yeah it's the best thing since sliced bread [05:44] <rgautam> great. [05:44] <rgautam> it rocks. realy nice packaging [05:44] <jsubl2> i am running kubuntu-amd64 breezy.. loaded it tonight [05:44] <userXa0> seems cool so far [05:44] <pax> jsubl2: no problems with xorg? [05:44] <jsubl2> none so far... [05:44] <rgautam> ya its really nice. the upgrades/installion was smooth [05:44] <pax> good stuff [05:45] <jsubl2> totem-xine even works. i copied the win32 dir over from another i386 install [05:45] <jsubl2> i was surprised [05:45] <jsubl2> one big hiccup [05:45] <rgautam> ya totem is really powerful. plays almost aal windows media [05:46] <rgautam> wat hiccup? [05:46] <jsubl2> had to manually make mkdir -p /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default/ for the install to finish.. actually finished it manually [05:46] <rgautam> oh! [05:46] <pax> jsubl2: do me a favor past the output of cat /etc/debian_version [05:46] <pax> paste* [05:47] <jsubl2> testing/unstable [05:47] <rgautam> mine in 3.1 [05:47] <pax> :c) [05:47] <pax> and cat /etc/issue ? [05:48] <rgautam> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" \n \l [05:48] <pax> that was for jsubl2 [05:48] <jsubl2> Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" Development Branch \n \l [05:48] <pax> I know whatcha using rag [05:48] <pax> rgautam* sorry [05:49] <jsubl2> it is: http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/20050813/breezy-install-amd64.iso [05:49] <rgautam> ok [05:49] <pax> nah I'll wait until october [05:49] <jsubl2> well i have ran linux along time.. this is just on a 20G partition i had to spare. no big deal.. [05:50] <rgautam> hoary hedgehog (5.04) is doing fine. I will upgrade when there is a major release/ [05:50] <jsubl2> like to take the new stuff for a spin now an then [05:50] <pax> I tried Colony CD 2 pretty impressive [05:50] <pax> yeah that's what Live is for jsubl2 ;-) [05:51] <pax> ftp://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/releases/breezy/colony-2/breezy-live-i386.iso [05:51] <jsubl2> pax.. this looks good.. i think i will stay with it for a while.. [05:51] <pax> help with bug reporting :c) [05:51] <jsubl2> yeha [05:51] <jsubl2> yeah [05:51] <jsubl2> well night [05:51] <pax> g'night [05:55] <c0rrupt_> whats the command to upgrade to kde 3.4.2 [05:56] <pax> add deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main to your sources.list [05:57] <pax> then sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [05:57] <c0rrupt_> Thanks. [05:57] <pax> sudo apt-get updgrade while you are at it [05:57] <pax> np. [06:02] <c0rrupt_> Err http://kubuntu.org hoary-updates/main kdelibs4 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary2 [06:02] <c0rrupt_> Connection timed out [06:02] <c0rrupt_> o.0 [06:02] <pax> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php get one of these [06:03] <pax> you just lost connection, try again [06:04] <c0rrupt_> lol being owned by nessus [06:04] <c0rrupt_> yea [06:04] <c0rrupt_> im being owned by nessus [06:05] <pax> congratulation! [06:05] <c0rrupt_> .... [06:08] <jk-> does anyone have usb devices automounting ? [06:16] <c0rrupt_> fstab [06:30] <benjamin1254> pax is there a war to restor my system back to defalt w/o the cd? [06:30] <benjamin1254> way* [06:31] <pax> you want to test your system for what? [06:31] <benjamin1254> i want to completely restore my system back to defalt since it is running slower then b4 [06:32] <benjamin1254> but i dont have the kubuntu cd cuz a friend of mine has it [06:32] <pax> to restore you need backup, but let's go over this, the system is slow? [06:32] <benjamin1254> yes [06:32] <benjamin1254> stutters slow [06:32] <pax> in console type: ksysguard [06:33] <pax> check what's using your cpu and ram resources [06:34] <benjamin1254> what is xorg? [06:34] <pax> I remember you trying to fix superkaramba, those fancy eye candy suckers can drain your system [06:35] <benjamin1254> yeah but it says xorg is using alot of my system resorces [06:35] <pax> xserver-xorg is needed, everything GUI is based on it [06:35] <pax> leave it alone [06:35] <benjamin1254> k [06:36] <benjamin1254> yeah xorg is using tones of resorces [06:36] <benjamin1254> its slowing me down [06:37] <pax> what else other than xorg is using lots of ram and cpu? [06:38] <benjamin1254> ksysguard is the other thing but thats like 1% [06:38] <benjamin1254> wthats for cpu [06:38] <benjamin1254> whats ram under [06:38] <benjamin1254> as labled [06:39] <pax> ksysguard is what you are using to see that stuff [06:39] <pax> in console type: uptime [06:39] <pax> and paste here to see your system load [06:40] <benjamin1254> k [06:40] <benjamin1254> 00:40:38 up 2:52, 2 users, load average: 1.00, 1.02, 1.04 [06:41] <pax> jeez that's too much, and who's the second user? [06:41] <benjamin1254> me [06:41] <benjamin1254> im the only user [06:41] <pax> are you running any servers? [06:42] <benjamin1254> no not that i know of.. i dont know how to run ne @ all [06:42] <pax> do you see any processes you are not running there? [06:43] <benjamin1254> nope [06:44] <benjamin1254> let me ceck again [06:45] <benjamin1254> apache2 is running alot [06:45] <benjamin1254> like 5 times [06:45] <pax> sudo /etc/init.d/apache stop [06:46] <benjamin1254> should i kill apache2? [06:46] <pax> if you are not using it, stop it not kill it [06:46] <benjamin1254> benjamin1254@ubuntu:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/apache stop [06:46] <benjamin1254> Password: [06:46] <benjamin1254> sudo: /etc/init.d/apache: command not found [06:46] <pax> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop [06:47] <benjamin1254> why was a web server running [06:47] <pax> apache2 <- assumed you are using apache1.3, sorry. [06:47] <pax> who the hell knows, you didnt have it running? [06:47] <benjamin1254> no i dident even start it [06:47] <benjamin1254> thats odd [06:48] <pax> do yourself a favor, scan your ports see what's running [06:48] <benjamin1254> how? [06:49] <pax> sudo apt-get install nmap [06:49] <pax> nmap localhost [06:49] <benjamin1254> idk .. again a bit of a newbish looser... but hey i live by learning.. and do u know of ne good firewalls cuz of this issue? [06:50] <pax> we'll get there. and it's fine to be a newb as long as you read docs and ask questions. [06:50] <benjamin1254> iok as soon as i run the app i should scan local ports [06:52] <benjamin1254> hey is it ok if i send the output here? [06:52] <pax> no use some pastebin [06:52] <pax> or #flood [06:52] <benjamin1254> #flood? [06:52] <pax> yes join #flood and paste there [06:53] <benjamin1254> how bouyt i post it on my site and send u the url in a IM [06:54] <benjamin1254> what is PID? [06:54] <pax> http://pastebin.com/ [06:54] <pax> Process ID [06:58] <benjamin1254> ine more sugestions pax? [06:58] <pax> benjamin1254: the load is still high? [06:58] <benjamin1254> load on xorg still high [06:58] <pax> benjamin1254: in console type: top [06:59] <pax> paste the first 4 lines here [07:00] <benjamin1254> how would i pause th output? [07:01] <pax> just paste the first 4 lines (top) [07:02] <benjamin1254> i cant [07:02] <pax> if you need help with top, just press 'h' [07:02] <benjamin1254> when i do it goes away b4 i can paste [07:03] <pax> benjamin1254: focus, not the list just the TOP 4 lines :-) [07:03] <pax> top - 01:03:31 up 9:51, 1 user, load average: 0.17, 0.16, 0.14 <- this the first line [07:04] <pax> Tasks: 97 total, 1 running, 96 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie <- second line [07:04] <pax> Cpu(s): 1.7% us, 0.7% sy, 0.0% ni, 96.4% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 1.3% si <- third line [07:04] <pax> just like that benjamin1254 [07:04] <benjamin1254> op - 01:04:28 up 3:16, 2 users, load average: 0.60, 0.86, 0.94 [07:04] <benjamin1254> Tasks: 76 total, 3 running, 73 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie [07:04] <benjamin1254> Cpu(s): 4.3% us, 2.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 93.4% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si [07:04] <benjamin1254> Mem: 256812k total, 244432k used, 12380k free, 22520k buffers [07:04] <benjamin1254> Swap: 746980k total, 2696k used, 744284k free, 105856k cached [07:05] <benjamin1254> xorg still the highest [07:05] <pax> what else other than xorg? [07:06] <benjamin1254> konsole and ksysguard [07:06] <pax> close ksysguard [07:06] <benjamin1254> thats all and they arent even high at all not even 1% [07:07] <benjamin1254> kopete and konsole and how should i shutdown the other user that is up? [07:07] <pax> your CPU is at 4.3% that's not bad, but your ram is heavily used [07:07] <pax> other user? [07:07] <benjamin1254> yeah i have 2 users but i am 1 user [07:07] <benjamin1254> it says i have 2 users logged in [07:08] <benjamin1254> i wana shut the other out [07:08] <pax> in console type: who -a [07:08] <benjamin1254> what u want pasted in here [07:08] <benjamin1254> the bottum 2? [07:09] <pax> yes [07:09] <benjamin1254> benjamin ? :0 Aug 15 23:10 ? 10858 [07:09] <benjamin1254> benjamin ? :0 Aug 15 23:10 ? 10858 [07:09] <pax> did you use 'switch user' by any chance? [07:10] <benjamin1254> nope [07:10] <benjamin1254> but i can log out of it and then log backinto this one [07:10] <pax> how many tabs you have open in konsole? [07:10] <benjamin1254> 2 [07:11] <pax> ok close 1 [07:11] <benjamin1254> type it again [07:11] <pax> then who -a and see how many users are there [07:12] <benjamin1254> to make it not a pain in the toosh here u go take a look [07:12] <benjamin1254> http://pastebin.com/337997 [07:13] <benjamin1254> u see it [07:13] <benjamin1254> ? [07:13] <pax> yes, I have no clue how you are logged in twice, log out then back in [07:13] <benjamin1254> k [07:13] <benjamin1254> ill be back in [07:14] <pax> whatever you do do not reboot. [07:15] <benjamin1254> ok ill log out and back in then [07:15] <benjamin1254> be back in a sec [07:15] <benjamin1254> do i hit end surrent session? [07:18] <benjamin1254> k now what pax [07:18] <benjamin1254> i dident reboot [07:18] <benjamin1254> just ended session [07:19] <benjamin1254> i did who -a and i wound up with basicly the same output [07:20] <benjamin1254> but its faster this time around [07:21] <pax> alright then [07:23] <benjamin1254> yeah want the top output? [07:23] <benjamin1254> i still dont know how im logged in 2x [07:24] <pax> check your load with uptime [07:25] <benjamin1254> uptime k [07:25] <benjamin1254> 01:25:34 up 3:37, 2 users, load average: 0.25, 0.19, 0.37 [07:25] <benjamin1254> thats better then the last [07:25] <pax> good :c) [07:27] <benjamin1254> yeah now the cpu load is much less its .3 to .5 for xorg [07:29] <benjamin1254> what would i use if i wanted to make a website hosted on my pc? [07:29] <phreakys> apache [07:30] <phreakys> time for sleepysleep [07:30] <benjamin1254> lol im srry man at least u havet been up as much as me [07:30] <phreakys> well, its allready 20 hours [07:30] <phreakys> im getting pretty weird [07:30] <benjamin1254> so how do u do the action thing again i wasent here 4 that lasnight .. i was using the bathroom and u loged out man [07:31] <phreakys> ehm [07:31] <phreakys> action thing? [07:31] <phreakys> splashy? [07:31] <thoreauputic> benjamin1254: /me does something [07:31] <phreakys> aaah [07:31] <phreakys> yes [07:31] <benjamin1254> k [07:31] <phreakys> if you want to host a website on your pc, use apache, php, mysql and tranquilizers [07:32] <benjamin1254> tranquilizers LMFAO for the people who cant sleep nd surf at all time of the night like me [07:33] <phreakys> :) [07:33] <phreakys> ok, later... [07:33] <benjamin1254> l8er man [07:33] <benjamin1254> lol [07:34] <benjamin1254> im srry im getting use to the whole action thing [08:36] <Wizzard> pls, how can I auto-enable DMA on all optical drives? [08:53] <seaLne> Wizzard: have a look at hdparm [08:55] <Wizzard> I checked out the help, but it did not help me [08:57] <seaLne> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Ultra-DMA-8.html [09:01] <Wizzard> yep, thanks, but I need to set it on every boot [09:02] <seaLne> Wizzard: change it in /etc/default/hdparm [09:04] <seaLne> Wizzard: or possibly youmight want to change stuff in /etc/hdparm.conf [09:05] <Wizzard> oh, yes, it could help, thx much [09:25] <ilba7r> anyone know where i can get engage for enlightenment DR16 [09:31] <matthew> hey everybody =) [09:32] <matthew> i've got a silly question. [09:32] <matthew> anyone awake? [09:33] <bao> does someone know how to make a folder in /usr/, i cant cause the damn permission [09:34] <bao> what about doing a account to root or login in to the account "root" [09:34] <PieD> 1- why do you have to create a folder in /usr ? [09:34] <PieD> 2- sudo mkdir /usr/nameofyourfolder [09:34] <bao> theres a program that needs a folder there [09:34] <bao> tnx! [09:36] <matthew> i can't figure out how to install a program [09:36] <PieD> use synaptic or kynaptic [09:36] <matthew> ok, i've downloaded the latest version of firefox [09:36] <matthew> but i can't figure out how to open it through kynaptic [09:37] <PieD> you don't have to download anything manually [09:37] <PieD> just use kynaptic, select firefox in the list [09:38] <PieD> clic on apply [09:38] <PieD> and that's done [09:39] <matthew> ok, done. but i can't seem to find it anyplace [09:39] <PieD> alt+f2 => firefox (for instance) [09:39] <PieD> It may appear shortly in the menu [09:40] <matthew> alt+f2 brings up my command prompt [09:40] <PieD> ? [09:40] <PieD> sorry I can't help with different shortcuts :/ [09:40] <PieD> try from the menu : execute a command [09:41] <matthew> i really just want to reinstall windows, but when i try to use my rescue disc, GRUB gives me a partition error. [09:41] <matthew> error 17. [09:41] <matthew> the only info i've found on it has to do with dual boot machines, and is above my head [09:41] <PieD> grub says "error 17" ? surprising, they often give true error messages [09:42] <matthew> yeah. any ideas about how to resolve that, or where to find info? [09:43] <PieD> no because I don't have any windows [09:43] <matthew> i don't have a problem with formatting the machine and starting from scratch, i just don't know how to go about it now that kubuntu is here [09:43] <PieD> why did you remove windows when you installed kubuntu if you need windows ? [09:45] <matthew> well, my computer basically died. when i revived it, i figured on a lark i would try kubuntu, since i've been meaning to see what it's all about [09:45] <matthew> but i've found that the learning curve is a little steeper than i'd anticipated, and i don't really have the time or patience to learn it now [09:45] <PieD> .. [09:46] <matthew> and i don't seem to be able to restore my system from the system restore disc because of the partitioning... [09:46] <matthew> the forementioned grub error [09:46] <PieD> ? [09:46] <matthew> so, i want to go back to windows, but this error 17 won't let me [09:46] <PieD> there's something wrong in your sentences [09:47] <PieD> you says the restore disc won't work [09:47] <PieD> what's its relation with grub ? [09:47] <matthew> well, when i try and do a system restore, it boots from the windows restore CD, and goes through the whole process of copying files back to the factory-installed state [09:48] <matthew> and then restarts. when it restarts from the hard drive, i get the grub error [09:48] <PieD> perhaps because the rescue discs damage the partitions ? [09:49] <matthew> perhaps. i don't know anything about partitions. i know windows doesn't use grub at all. [09:54] <seaLne> the rescue disk probably completly replaces everything on the hard disk, but the bit of grub left is in the MBR [09:55] <matthew> what can i do to fix it? [09:56] <seaLne> boot off a dos disk and run fdisk /mbr i think [09:56] <seaLne> not often you want to put windows on a machine that had been upgraded to linux [09:57] <matthew> ha, well, if i could figure out how to install anything, it would be different! =) [09:57] <PieD> seaLne: you understand, that's hard to discover that windows isn't the rule [09:57] <matthew> but i've been fighting with it for an hour to try and install firefox with flash [09:57] <matthew> and i miss itunes. =) [09:58] <seaLne> you tried amarok? [09:58] <PieD> matthew: because you don't want to learn [09:58] <seaLne> use kynaptic to install software [09:58] <matthew> i do want to learn, which is why i have the software in the first place, but this week i have things i actually need to accomplish on my computer, and i need a system i understand in order to get them done [09:59] <seaLne> fair enough [10:00] <matthew> i tried installing firefox through kynaptic; it looked like it worked, but it didn't show up in any menu, so i'm not sure how or where to open it [10:00] <seaLne> try typing mozilla-firefox in the run option in KMenu [10:01] <seaLne> i'd consider it a bug it not being added to the menus but not everything is... [10:03] <matthew> hm, maybe some progress here [10:03] <matthew> i tried committing the changes in kynaptic again and it's doing a bunch of stuff [10:04] <matthew> i don't see american english as an option for firefox... i guess british english is close enough, but it seems like us should be there as well [10:04] <PieD> isn't american english the default language ? [10:06] <matthew> hm, i dunno. it's not listed in kynaptic, as far as i can see [10:13] <nikkia> matthew: the way to think of the language packs are that they ADD translations to american english [10:13] <nikkia> matthew: ie, for american english, don't install any language packs :) [10:14] <matthew> cool, thanks, nikkia... but how do i find firefox in default american english if i want to run it? =) [10:14] <nikkia> matthew: you just install and run 'mozilla-firefox' [10:15] <matthew> i'm sorry, i'm really not a nitwit on some operating systems, i swear... but i'm not sure how to do that on kubuntu! [10:18] <nikkia> matthew, well, for a start, i wouldn't recommend kynaptic :) but find 'mozilla-firefox' in that list, and install it, thats all there is really, after that, it'll appear in the menus, or you can use alt-F2 and type 'mozilla-firefox' into the window [10:19] <matthew> nikkia, what would you recommend instead? [10:19] <nikkia> synaptic or aptitude [10:19] <PieD> synaptic [10:20] <matthew> how can i load synaptic? [10:22] <PieD> from kynaptic, install synaptic :) [10:22] <PieD> are there a lot of progress in the work on a new package manager for kubuntu 5.10 ? [10:23] <matthew> hooray!! i got firefox working! [10:23] <matthew> thanks very much [10:29] <matthew> i'm having troule finding java [10:29] <matthew> it's not working in konqueror or firefox, and i don't see it in kynaptic... [10:31] <PieD> matthew: java is a proprietary tool, so it cannot be provided with kynaptic [10:33] <matthew> thanks pieD... presumably i can install it with synaptic? [10:33] <PieD> no [10:33] <PieD> synaptic and kynaptic provide the same softwares [10:33] <matthew> ah. how can i install it? [10:33] <PieD> !java [10:33] <ubotu> [java] to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [10:33] <matthew> handy! [10:35] <Tranquitos> anybody knows how to use the Xine engine in amaroK? [10:36] <Tranquitos> i've installed it, but it seems amaroK is not recognizing it [10:36] <matthew> it says i have to login as the root user to run synaptic. i thought i was logged in as the root user? [10:37] <PieD> ?? [10:37] <PieD> on my computer, I start synaptic with alt-F2 => kdesu synaptic [10:37] <PieD> (I don't use the K menu, it's too far from my mouse) [10:42] <setite> whats a good app for ripping mp3s [10:42] <PieD> setite: konqueror ? [10:42] <paines> kaudiocreator [10:42] <setite> kaudiocreator.. couldnt figure that out... [10:42] <setite> got some error about creating the file [10:42] <paines> ? [10:43] <paines> which file ? [10:43] <setite> the ripped file [10:43] <setite> im trying to rip a cd and it errored [10:43] <setite> ill do it again and tell you what it said [10:44] <paines> setite, startup kaudiocreator, put in the cd, if the cd is orginal or burned properly, than a cddb looup should give you back to song names, the select the songs and start [10:45] <setite> yea its ripping right now [10:45] <setite> and it is an original [10:45] <setite> ok the error is [10:45] <paines> setite, did you still get an error message ? [10:45] <setite> Cannot place file, unable to make directories [10:46] <paines> setite, could it be that you are trying to place the ripped songs in a place where you don't have eniugh rights? [10:46] <paines> try setting it in home [10:46] <setite> dunno [10:46] <setite> i think it is set in home... lemme check [10:48] <setite> gah [10:48] <PieD> konqueror is easier : insert the audio cd, open konqueror, go to audiocd:/ [10:48] <setite> konqueror does too much! [10:49] <setite> haha... its scary [10:49] <setite> i think i see what i did... checking to see if it works [10:49] <PieD> setite: konqueror isn't doing too much [10:49] <paines> konqueror=swiss army knife [10:49] <setite> shit now im having a new error [10:49] <PieD> everything is "optionnal" [10:49] <setite> selected encoder not found [10:50] <setite> jesus ok im gonna see what konqueror can do [10:50] <paines> setite, apt-get ogg vorbis tools [10:50] <setite> i want mp3 [10:50] <PieD> then install lame [10:50] <paines> yeah [10:50] <setite> i have it [10:50] <setite> and libmad0 [10:50] <setite> and gstream-lame [10:50] <setite> and i registered them [10:51] <PieD> but konqueror doesn't know how to extract a CD into mp3 or oggs [10:51] <PieD> it's only able to handle files in KIO [10:52] <setite> questiopn... when i select my cd in konqueror [10:52] <setite> what is all this stuff i see [10:52] <PieD> and a KIO knows how to manage a filesystem, another KIO knows how to extract tracks from a CD.. [10:52] <PieD> that's virtual files [10:52] <setite> is it konqueror stuff... [10:52] <setite> ok good [10:52] <setite> i was freaking [10:52] <PieD> that's why I'm worrying when they say they want to simplify it for KDE4 [10:53] <setite> ok that one click thing needs to be removed again... thats next on my list after i figure this out [10:53] <setite> i just opened and copied everythign in the cd when i was just tryign to right click [10:54] <PieD> I love the single click ! [10:55] <PieD> why should we switch to double click ? [11:02] <setite> ok hello [11:02] <setite> i had to restart [11:02] <setite> stupid one-click [11:03] <setite> i disabled so im ready to try again [11:03] <setite> so to rip with konqueror what do i do [11:03] <setite> select the cd from storage media right [11:03] <PieD> what's stupid with one click is that you're not used to it [11:03] <setite> nah i got used to it... but i selected the files... but upon the right click they all opened [11:04] <setite> thats the first time it happened [11:04] <PieD> never had that [11:04] <setite> and it shall be the last too [11:04] <PieD> that's not related to single click ! [11:04] <setite> well something got screwy [11:04] <setite> but yea thats over now [11:06] <setite> ok what exactly do i do with these virtual folders [11:06] <setite> i tried to copy and paste the mp3s... [11:07] <setite> wait now thats working [11:07] <setite> is it really that easy? [11:08] <setite> omfg... are you serious [11:08] <setite> ok i take back what i said abotu konqueror doing too much... [11:08] <setite> konqueror is quite the fitting name [11:09] <nikkia> pied, there are serious limitations on doing multiple selections, and drag and drop, with single click enabled [11:10] <PieD> nikkia: never had a problem because of that [11:10] <nikkia> pied, then you're 'special' i guess [11:10] <setite> i can see why he went off about it... it is a blessing and a curse in my opinion [11:10] <PieD> to select multiple files I never clicked on the icons [11:10] <PieD> and for drag'n'drop, where is the problem ? [11:11] <nikkia> pied, the best example of why single click is broken, is to try and use k3b :) [11:12] <setite> konqueror rocks! [11:12] <setite> thats all i know [11:12] <setite> in the end it just ripped an mp3 by copying and pasting a virtual file... encoding in the process [11:12] <setite> i mean what a concept [11:12] <PieD> nikkia: I've no problem here [11:12] <setite> has KDE been out longer than gnome [11:12] <nikkia> setite, yeah, the audiocd:// ioslave is nice [11:13] <nikkia> setite: off the top of my head, no, gnome would have been first, just [11:13] <setite> yea.. dont know what that is but i agree with you :) [11:13] <setite> is there an advantage to gnome? because im dying to find one [11:13] <nikkia> setite, if you open audiocd:/ in konqueror, it gives you the contents of a CD as a list of rippable/encodable files, mp3, ogg, flac, etc [11:13] <setite> from what i hear its more stable.. but thats all i see [11:13] <nikkia> setite, you just drag the file to your HD and its ripped & encoded, or you open a file in a media player, and it rips, encodes, and plays [11:14] <setite> nikkia yea thats what im doing... i just didnt know what the ioslave part meant exactly [11:14] <nikkia> setite, ioslaves are a KDE system that allows plugins to be written to deal with IO in some way [11:14] <setite> o?so on the latter part... opening in a media player... it rips and encodes that way top [11:15] <setite> i assumed that it just tricked the program into thinking it was an mp3 [11:15] <setite> well not tricked [11:15] <nikkia> setite, for example, the ability to access remote filesystems via sftp makes konqueror behave as kbear, since you can open a 2-pane konqueror window, and connect to a ftp or sftp host, and just drag files between the panes [11:15] <setite> well if i just opened them directly where would they go [11:15] <nikkia> setite, they're ripped, encoded, and played from /tmp [11:15] <setite> damn i need a konqueror manual... [11:16] <setite> so does konqueror have a goal? [11:16] <setite> or is it just supposed to do everything [11:16] <setite> the ripping thing is awesome... but it seems odd [11:16] <nikkia> setite, most of what konqueror does, isn't done by konqueror [11:17] <nikkia> setite, its just a side effect of how ioslaves and kparts work [11:17] <setite> well yea i figured that it was an interface for all these things... [11:17] <nikkia> setite, its not, not really [11:17] <nikkia> its just these are standard KDE features that konqueror *can* use [11:17] <setite> bleh.. your nitpicking [11:17] <nikkia> setite, let me put it another way [11:18] <nikkia> setite, say i'm listening to an audiocd, and someone on irc says 'i'd like to hear that', i can open the DCC dialog, and because its a kde app, the irc client can access the .mp3 virtual files via the ioslave, and dcc send a mp3 file by ripping/encoding automatically [11:19] <nikkia> setite, or i could say 'hold on, i'll send you <some file>' but then i remember <some file> is on my machine at work, i can just use sftp within the dcc dialog to access that file [11:20] <setite> i wonder if the konq browser can do something i cant get done on firefox [11:20] <nikkia> setite, that'd be ? [11:24] <setite> i cant listen to xmradio online [11:24] <setite> wmp9 plugin wont work [11:24] <setite> i have the w32codecs package [11:24] <setite> and i downloaded some other random stuff trying to work it too [11:26] <nikkia> setite, best chance would be the mplayer plugin for firefox [11:26] <nikkia> but there's a fair chance it won't work [11:26] <nikkia> setite, does it work within firefox on windows ? [11:26] <nikkia> or is it IE only ? [11:34] <setite> nikkia you there? [11:34] <setite> i got dc'd [11:34] <nikkia> yes [11:35] <setite> stupid EVDO card... i dont even know for a while when my connection is nixxed [11:35] <setite> last thing i heard you say was what was my firefox issue [11:35] <setite> http://xmradio.com/xstream/ [11:35] <setite> i cant even get to that in konqueror [11:35] <thoreauputic> nikkia: just out of curiosity - why do we never see you in #ubuntu? You would be a valuablr contributor, it seems to me ... [11:36] <thoreauputic> *valuable [11:36] <setite> in firefox i can log into the radio thing... but when i attempt to tune to a station i get a plugin error... and i get sent to windows.com [11:36] <setite> shhh thoreauputic .. i get him to myself in here [11:36] <setite> hehe [11:36] <nikkia> setite, him? [11:36] <setite> yea i thought i used to see him in ubuntu [11:36] <thoreauputic> setite: she, methinks [11:37] <thoreauputic> setite: /whois nikkia ;) [11:37] <setite> forgive me... didnt think your gender was important... [11:38] <thoreauputic> setite: well, not from an expertise viewpoint at least [11:38] <setite> precisely my point [11:38] <setite> well it looks like konqueror falls short of firefox.. which also falls short of what i need it to do [11:39] <thoreauputic> nikkia: do you have an answer for my question? Feel free to ignore it if you prefer :) [11:39] <nikkia> thoreauputic: which question ? [11:39] <thoreauputic> c nikkia: just out of curiosity - why do we never see you in #ubuntu? You would be a valuable contributor, [11:40] <thoreauputic> etc [11:40] <nikkia> ah, i started to write a response, then didn't hit enter :P [11:40] <thoreauputic> ah [11:40] <nikkia> thoreauputic: i used to hang out there, but i couldn't keep up with both channels at the same time [11:40] <thoreauputic> nikkia: fair enough [11:41] <setite> so is there hope to get my windows media player plugin working in FF? [11:41] <setite> i would assume yes since it works on windoze... but then again maybe not [11:42] <nikkia> setite, mplayer-plugin is your best bet [11:43] <setite> firefox can use that? [11:43] <nikkia> yes [11:43] <setite> didnt know that.. thanks [11:44] <setite> nicola? what is that [11:45] <setite> hmmm i have mplayer plugin it seems [11:51] <setite> hey nikkia [11:51] <nikkia> yes? [11:51] <setite> im having more success with konqueror than ff but still im having a hangup [11:51] <setite> it doenst load the channel list... but when i type in the cahnnel it loads the track info [11:51] <setite> so the wmp9 is working [11:52] <setite> but im hearing nothing... any ideas? [11:52] <setite> i get that... some apps have sound some dont [11:52] <nikkia> setite, you probably need to configure dmix, OR tell mplayer to play via arts [11:53] <setite> kmix? [11:53] <nikkia> no, dmix [11:53] <nikkia> its an alsa feature that lets multiple programs play sound at the same time [11:53] <nikkia> but try configuring mplayer first [11:53] <setite> ok... [11:54] <nikkia> create ~/.mplayer/config (you might need to make the .mplayer directory in your home directory first) and put in it the line 'ao=arts' i think it is [11:54] <nikkia> actually, just do mplayer -ao help and see what output methods it lists, first [11:55] <setite> in terminal>? [11:55] <nikkia> yes [11:55] <setite> not working [11:55] <setite> bash bla command not found [11:57] <nikkia> hmmm, anyone else with mplayer installed can list the output methods ? [11:57] <nikkia> i can't remember if its arts, artsd, or artsc :) [12:03] <nikkia> setite: just try putting 'ao=' for each of those 3 choices then, and after saving the file, try playing back a media file in firefox [12:05] <nikkia> (you need to restart firefox each time, so i'd suggest putting a mpg in /tmp or something and opening file://tmp/blah.mpg or something) [12:05] <Yannick_R> Hello [12:08] <Yannick_R> I'm having some troubles, since I started my computer this morning, in the kde programs (konqueror, kopete, ..) when I type special french fonts it displays 2 squares symbol [12:08] <Yannick_R> somebody knows where I could find some info to fix this ? [12:09] <Yannick_R> in no-kde programs it works (firefox) [12:11] <nikkia> f'ing woo! [12:11] <nikkia> my new DVD+RW drive does dual layer -R [12:12] <Yannick_R> looks like the problem comes from .fonts.conf [12:21] <haplo> hola [12:29] <nikkia> bbiab, have to install this new drive [12:43] <verden01> hey [01:08] <blackfire> Ok magic question: anybody has managed to make a wireless card run under amd64? :P [01:58] <McScruff> lo [01:59] <McScruff> installed kde 3.4.2 and now m having trouble setting up samba [02:01] <BjoernVDM> Samba server, or client? [02:08] <McScruff> server [02:10] <Wizzard> hi, does anybody know how to set hdparm.conf? I tried to edit it, but it never sets both optical drives... one of them cannotbe found [02:12] <BjoernVDM> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-16360.html <-- read this, Wizzard ? [02:19] <BjoernVDM> What is that, Nikkia? [02:19] <nikkia> BjoernVDM: dual layer DVD-R discs [02:19] <nikkia> my new burner supports them [02:19] <BjoernVDM> k [02:19] <nikkia> but they're a little thin on the ground for finding media (most dual layer media is DVD+R) [02:20] <BjoernVDM> Heh. 40 Euros for ONE. [02:21] <BjoernVDM> How can that be worth it, I wonder. [02:21] <nikkia> BjoernVDM: has to be a typo [02:21] <nikkia> i found a place selling them for 4/each [02:21] <BjoernVDM> Oh, no, actually 40 for 5. [02:21] <nikkia> but i'm sure i can get cheaper than that, DL +R is down to 1/each if you shop around [02:21] <nikkia> that sounds more 'reasonable' [02:21] <BjoernVDM> Yup. [02:31] <Chefen> :p [02:31] <Chefen> :P [02:31] <Chefen> nn Svensk eller ? [02:49] <phreakys> hi [02:49] <phreakys> is there a way that kde can warn me before im about to delete something from desktop? [02:58] <bufalo73> hello [02:58] <bufalo73> after my last apt-get upgrade I've lost all my icons [02:58] <bufalo73> not only on my user [02:58] <bufalo73> has anybody this problem? [03:04] <CellarDoor> hi folks [03:04] <CellarDoor> I have a question about using Kpackage in Kubuntu [03:06] <CellarDoor> When I wan't to install something with Kpackage it asks for my root (su) password and won't accept my sudo password. Is there any way around this other than using kynaptic or simply opening a terminal ? [03:07] <CellarDoor> hello ? [03:08] <CellarDoor> I kinda like Kpackage and it would be nice to be able to install things with it rather than just looking at stuff and using something else to install things [03:08] <nxv_> hi, i have the problem to hear my mic on my own speakers, results in a feedback if input to the mic is too loud. the green switch of the mic is disabled in kmix [03:09] <CellarDoor> nxv_ hi, have you tried enabling the green switch and turning the volume up for it ? [03:10] <nxv_> CellarDoor: the mic is in the input section. only one bar. at the top the green button at the bottom red button [03:11] <nxv_> CellarDoor: can't controll them separatly. thought green enables playback, red record [03:12] <CellarDoor> ah hmm [03:13] <nxv_> the mic buttons don't seam to have an influence, even if i disable both mic is still active [03:13] <nxv_> only when disabling red capture button mic is of [03:13] <CellarDoor> I'm just looking at mine [03:14] <CellarDoor> It might cause feedback if your mic is too close to speakers [03:14] <nxv_> i guess i shouldn't get an output of my mic, i want it record only. no playback [03:15] <CellarDoor> I've never had any issues with it [03:15] <nxv_> do u hear something if u blow into ur mic? [03:15] <CellarDoor> mine's turned all the way up with green and red on [03:15] <CellarDoor> yes [03:15] <nxv_> and if disable green switch? [03:16] <CellarDoor> no sound if green is disabled [03:16] <nxv_> i'd like the same behaviour, but it ignores my kmix mic settings [03:16] <CellarDoor> hmm [03:16] <nxv_> kmix->input->mic [03:17] <CellarDoor> does your mic have its own volume ? Speakers vol turned up ? [03:17] <nxv_> i can disable any button, change volume no change [03:17] <CellarDoor> yeah I have sound no problems [03:18] <nxv_> when i change the capture volume it has an influence [03:18] <nxv_> if i select mic2 in switches it is entirly disabled [03:18] <CellarDoor> perhaps something else is turned on that might be disabling it ? [03:18] <nxv_> i can get it to work [03:18] <nxv_> but not controll its playback [03:19] <CellarDoor> what do you mean by playback ? [03:19] <nxv_> wether it works with feedback or it doesn't do anything [03:19] <nxv_> playback= hearing the input of my own mic [03:19] <CellarDoor> you recording and not getting sound ? [03:20] <nxv_> CellarDoor: i can't do rec only. recording sound without hearing my self on the speaker [03:20] <CellarDoor> well I can tell you what all my settings are on if you like ? [03:20] <nxv_> u said u have two controll bars for ur mic [03:20] <nxv_> right? [03:21] <CellarDoor> In the Output section all my settings are on and all the way up or almost all the way up [03:23] <CellarDoor> In Input: Line is currently off, CD green is on all the way up without red on, Mic green and red on with slider all the way up, Phone and AUX are off, Capture is on and almost all the way up. [03:23] <nxv_> shack.us/my.php?image=snapshot35qv.png [03:24] <nxv_> http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/5422/snapshot35qv.png [03:24] <nikkia> CellarDoor: i fail to understand why you want sound from the speakers of the mic input [03:24] <nikkia> CellarDoor: its going to feedback whatever you do for two reasons [03:24] <CellarDoor> nikkia, I'm not the one with the problem [03:24] <nxv_> http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/3582/snapshot42rw.png [03:24] <nxv_> http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/2678/snapshot51dl.png [03:25] <nikkia> a) its obviously an omni-directional mic, b) having the mic on the speakers loud enough to hear over your own voice is going to be loud enough to feedback :) [03:25] <CellarDoor> though mine is outputting sound and not feeding back [03:25] <nxv_> that's what it looks like here [03:25] <nxv_> nikkia: i wan't to turn off my mics playback, but can't get it done [03:25] <nikkia> nxv, use alsamixer [03:26] <nikkia> nxv, in playback, set the mic volume to 0, then press TAB to go to recording, and set mic as the capture device, and move the capture fader to about 50-75% (any higher and it'll probably distort) [03:26] <CellarDoor> ah [03:27] <CellarDoor> gotta go anyway [03:27] <CellarDoor> cyas [03:27] <CellarDoor> oh [03:27] <CellarDoor> before I go [03:27] <nikkia> alsa doesn't provide seperate recording/playback controls for the mic, on most cards, kmix just lies and sets the playback level [03:28] <CellarDoor> nikkia do you know if I can use Kpackage using my sudo password ? It doesn't accept it, asks for su password. [03:28] <nikkia> you have to remember, that when kmix was written, it was written against OSS, and it did things a little differently [03:28] <nikkia> CellarDoor: no idea, haven't really used kpackage [03:28] <CellarDoor> ah ok then [03:29] <CellarDoor> bye all [03:30] <nxv_> nikkia: doesn't help, i see it disabled in alsamixer(gui) (tried both) [03:30] <nxv_> but still hear it [03:30] <nxv_> if i disable mic boost, i don't here it anymore, but i guess it is just too silent [03:31] <nikkia> hmmm, looks like 4.85 is about as cheap as i can get DL DVD-R discs :/ [03:41] <phreakys> im trying to copy large amounts of files from cd, but its so...slow [03:41] <phreakys> is there a way to make it faster? [03:43] <thoreauputic> phreakys: do you have dma enabled for the CD drive? [03:56] <Wizzard> it is possible to have some package marked as local or absolete when there is the same package version available in the repository? [03:59] <nxv_> does kweather work 4 u? [04:16] <jjesse> morning [04:26] <nikkia> apokryphos! [04:26] <apokryphos> nikkia: heyhey [04:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: you know the other day i was saying there were no DVD-R Dual Layer burners, apart from pioneer's ? [04:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: my brand new drive has on the box 'Supports Dual-Layer +R and -R at 16x!!' :) [04:27] <apokryphos> woah [04:27] <apokryphos> nikkia: and you've had that for long? [04:27] <nikkia> erm, at 4x, rather [04:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: came today [04:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: LiteOn 16x burner [04:28] <apokryphos> Heh, and you casually missed that on the description? ;-) [04:28] <nikkia> replaces my 12x LG [04:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: i honestly didn't look at the description [04:28] <apokryphos> How much was it? [04:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: i wanted a LiteOn DVD-R, and it was the only one they sold [04:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: 25 ? something like that [04:28] <apokryphos> :-O [04:28] <sproingie> i'm sure mine is dual layer [04:28] <sproingie> probably the same brand, LiteOn [04:29] <nikkia> sproingie: on +R or +R AND -R ? [04:29] <nikkia> sproingie: -R Dual layer has been somewhat of a mystery until recently [04:29] <nikkia> pioneer announced support like 18 months ago, and discs were available straight away... [04:29] <sproingie> nikkia heck if i know. i never see dual layer media selling for cheap [04:29] <nikkia> but the drives to support it haven't appeared until the last couple of months [04:29] <sproingie> i buy mine when it's on sale [04:29] <apokryphos> That's one thing I both love and hate about computer things -- prices are *guaranteed* to go low [04:30] <nikkia> apokryphos: i wish -R DL discs would go low :/ [04:30] <nikkia> apokryphos: they're 4.50ish compared to 1ish for +R DL [04:30] <apokryphos> nikkia: hopefully this Saturday I'll have my new comp! Heh. Results anounced on Thursday, eek [04:30] <sproingie> dl might never really catch if blu-ray burners come out next year [04:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: thats what the rest of the order that came this morning was, a PC for my SO (sick of waiting for my boss to get my those two shuttles, so i'll take one as a music workstation when they arrive) [04:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: 120 for a Sempron 2600, not bad [04:31] <apokryphos> not bad at all [04:31] <nikkia> (thats full system minus drives) [04:31] <apokryphos> heh [04:31] <nikkia> and a 80GB maxtor was only 30 [04:32] <apokryphos> Re: your boss... you just gotta keep dropping subtle hints :P [04:32] <nikkia> so i bought a 80GB maxtor, and a new DVD-R for me, the SO's PC gets the old LG DVD-R thats a touch annoying :) [04:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: i have, problem is, his reason for not ordering them yet is valid :/ [04:32] <apokryphos> 30? Wow, they're really shooting down. Hoping for a 200GB or so... wonder how much they'll cost [04:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: he needds to order 8 PCs total, 2 for me, and 6 for our products [04:33] <nikkia> unfortunately, the supplier wants more for the shipping for 8 PCs than the cost of the 8 PCs [04:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: i've seen 200GB SATA for around 60 [04:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: and i stole the SATA cables from this new PC :P [04:34] <nikkia> it only has a single PATA drive, so it has no need at all for the 2 SATA cables and 2 molex->SATA power adapters :P [04:34] <apokryphos> More for the shipping? Is he serious? :| [04:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: spanish company :/ [04:34] <_dennis> hey folks [04:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: they sell us a shuttle-X for around 100 [04:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: thats with a Sempron 2800 [04:34] <apokryphos> I've forgotten all the names for the HDs :(. Last time I went computer market though the guy was telling me about new type of hard-drive...or perhaps not so new; but faster. [04:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: unfortunately, because they're spanish, they charge around 95 for shipping :/ [04:34] <apokryphos> I imagine they'll be more. Really gotta brush up on my terminology here ;-) [04:35] <seaLne> nikkia: couldn't you fly there and get them for less? :) [04:35] <nikkia> apokryphos: thats 100 for a Sempron 2800, 1GB ram, 60GB HDD, DVD-R [04:35] <_dennis> hmm, why does resuming my thinkpad r50p works after i suspended it using /etc/acpi/sleep.sh, but not after i suspended it by closing the lid? (in the latter case the thinkpad is alive, but the display stays black) [04:35] <nikkia> seaLne: i imagine that is the 'alternative shipping arrangement' he's arranging :P [04:35] <nikkia> apokryphos: we also buy 23" LCDs from them for 150 [04:36] <apokryphos> nikkia: there's gotta be something illegal there ;-) [04:36] <apokryphos> 23" -- only something I can dream about [04:36] <_dennis> and another question: why does the "Network Settings" widget of my control center just says "Loading ..." after i clicked "Administrator Mode"? [04:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: they have direct business accounts with Samsung and Shuttle [04:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: i have one sat here, collecting dust :O [04:36] <apokryphos> _dennis: known bug; you can either (i) upgrade to kde 3.4.2 (should be fixed there); or (ii) kdesu kcontrol [04:37] <apokryphos> nikkia: I wanted to go for a 19" this time but not sure at all anymore [04:37] <nikkia> apokryphos: i stuck with 17 [04:37] <_dennis> apokryphos: i did a dist-upgrade yesterday. shouldn't i be running 3.4.2 now? [04:37] <nikkia> apokryphos: the refresh is generally better, IME [04:37] <apokryphos> nikkia: a few pals in #kde telling me that there's no point, as resolution is still stuck at 1024 :| [04:37] <nikkia> apokryphos: this is a 4mS refresh, 17", with portrait/landscape swivel, cost me 140-some [04:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, i couldn't find a 19 with > 1280x1024 [04:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: and whats the point in having 'slightly bigger pixels' ? [04:38] <dennis-> oops [04:38] <apokryphos> nikkia: I like the monitor we have now. Samsung SyncMaster 17", we got it really quite long ago, though, and for cheap ;-) [04:38] <dennis-> apokryphos: did you say anything after i left? :) [04:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: if i could have found a 19 with 1600x1200 and decent refresh, at a reasonable price, i might have gone with 19 [04:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: i won't touch CRT again for monitors [04:38] <apokryphos> nikkia: can you, though? [04:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: probably not for TV either [04:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, i couldn't find one [04:39] <apokryphos> dennis-: you need to get the 3.4.2 repository [04:39] <apokryphos> !kde342 [04:39] <ubotu> [kde342] at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php [04:39] <dennis-> apokryphos: ah, thx! [04:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: there are a few high end 19" LCDs with 1600x1280, but they're slow and expensive [04:39] <apokryphos> nikkia: that's the reason it's not worth going for... most 20" do it though, no? [04:39] <apokryphos> But prices shoot up after 19 :( [04:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, but again, slow refresh rates [04:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: you're into 25mS+ with 20", ok for 'work' but lousy for gaming [04:39] <apokryphos> Slow? 75Hz around [04:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: thats the interface rate, you need to look at the refresh rate [04:40] <apokryphos> :-O [04:40] <apokryphos> what are the disadvantages of a low refresh rate? (I really always thought the Hz was refresh rate... are you sure it isn't? My krandrtray says it is :|) [04:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: LCD elements take a finite time to switch, so the slower the LCD refresh, the more chance of blurry/traily games [04:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: you're on CRT, its much more complicated on LCD :) [04:42] <nikkia> unless that syncmaster is one of the LCD's that samsung called 'syncmaster' (damn them and their product name overloading) [04:42] <apokryphos> It's flat TFT, but not LCD I don't think, no. [04:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: basically, if your pixels take 25mS to switch, which is what you're talking about on 20"+ LCDs, then your effective refresh rate is 40 frames per second, display movement any faster than that, and its going to ghost/blur/trail [04:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: the monitor electronics may be rated for 75Hz VGA, but it still takes 1/40th of a second for the pixels to change colour [04:43] <apokryphos> Noticeably? :S [04:44] <apokryphos> I've played games before on a 23" (not LCD/TFT) and it was really sweet there at least [04:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: if you were playing a game on a 25mS refresh LCD, yes, very noticable [04:45] <apokryphos> nikkia: do those Spanish people have a site? :P [04:45] <nikkia> modern LCD/TFTs switch at about 4-12mS, depending on brand, so thats 1/250th to 1/80th of a second for the pixels to switch [04:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, they're not a computer retailer, they're a strategic partner of ours [04:46] <apokryphos> heh [04:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: they make video entertainment cabinets using shuttle-X/23" panels [04:46] <apokryphos> =) [04:46] <apokryphos> Nice stuff [04:46] <nikkia> we resell the same cabs in the UK, and thus buy hardware related to those from them [04:47] <apokryphos> For the ugliest possible picture of my current monitor: http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/product_zoom.jsp?eUser=&largeImage=/images/prod/product03/b2c_l_171s-silver.jpg&prod_id=GH17LSASJ [04:47] <sproingie> yeah that really shows it off [04:48] <apokryphos> I don't know how they got it to look so ugly; must have taken some effort [04:48] <phreakys> im copying 20000 files from a cd, but its taking more than 2 hours allready [04:48] <phreakys> how can i speed up the reader? [04:48] <apokryphos> slightly better: http://www.clubic.com/photo/00028895.jpg [04:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: ah, sorry, mine is 8ms, not 4 [04:49] <nikkia> http://www.acer.co.uk/acereuro/page4.do?dau22.oid=9540&UserCtxParam=0&GroupCtxParam=0&dctx1=17&ctx1=UK&crc=1842436415 [04:49] <apokryphos> ooOOoo [04:49] <nikkia> apokryphos: still, it was only 140, and it has DVI, and a 'not quite so sucky refresh' which is what i wanted :) [04:49] <apokryphos> nikkia: do you think I'll see a disadvantage anywhere else but in games? [04:50] <nikkia> the portrait/landscape pivot was just gravy (its just a case of VESA mounting one on a pivot anyway, even if a LCD doesn't support it directly) [04:50] <apokryphos> I don't play them, so hasn't yet hit me :P [04:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: what is the rate on yours ? [04:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: i tried searching for that model number, but couldn't find one [04:50] <apokryphos> nikkia: no, on a new one, if I get a 20" or so [04:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: oh, i dunno, people are annoyed/not-annoyed individually [04:50] <apokryphos> Monitor details: http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?prod_id=GH17LSASJ [04:51] <nikkia> when i had an old LCD with 25mS refresh, i found it unbearable on FPS, but bearable on other stuff [04:51] <apokryphos> I'm sure I'll ask to properly see the monitor in action, anyhow, before getting it [04:51] <apokryphos> We got that Monitor though when it was still 700 in PCWorld ;-) [04:51] <apokryphos> 260 I think we got it for, as I recall. Were very proud of it :P [04:52] <nikkia> apokryphos: that one IS 25mS [04:52] <apokryphos> cool :) [04:54] <nikkia> apokryphos: you also have to bear in mind 'how good' your PC is that is driving it :) [04:54] <apokryphos> nikkia: if it's unbelievably amazing? ;-) [04:54] <nikkia> if you're playing doom3 and your PC only manages 25fps, you're not going to notice the 25mS (40fps) ghosting :) [04:55] <apokryphos> I don't really play comp games; I guess I might play a bit on the LAN in Uni (I predict), but in general -- haven't played a game on here for months [04:55] <nikkia> apokryphos: this is for use at uni ? [04:55] <apokryphos> What's most shocking was that King's (in their main halls) didn't have ethernet ports in the rooms :| [04:56] <nikkia> apokryphos: in that case, my advice would be to spend a little less on the monitor and spend some on a decent VESA arm [04:56] <apokryphos> They tried to reassure me by saying "There's loads of computer rooms around....", erm.. yeah. [04:56] <apokryphos> nikkia: Uni, yup. VESA arm? [04:56] <nikkia> that way, when you need to use your desk for non-computer work, you can just move the monitor out of the way [04:57] <nikkia> apokryphos: (almost) all monitors have a VESA 100mm/75mm mounting port on the back [04:57] <apokryphos> ohh, those [04:57] <nikkia> apokryphos: you can usually remove the base completely, and put it on any VESA 100/75 compatible mounting system, a decent arm will hold the monitor over the desk but allow you to swing it out of the way when you're not using it [04:57] <apokryphos> They're nice, but not sure how much more it would cost. TFTs don't take up much room at all anyway, so wouldn't consider it a huge issue atm [04:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: a cheap arm is about 25 [04:58] <nikkia> a decent arm is about 100 [04:58] <apokryphos> oh wait, I see, they're generic. I thought only particular monitors would have them [04:58] <nikkia> no, thats the point [04:58] <apokryphos> nice :). Yeah, I'll look out for one of those. [04:59] <nikkia> you buy whichever VESA mount you want (wall, desk, just a better base stand, whatever) [04:59] <apokryphos> nikkia: Thanks for the tip :) [05:00] <nikkia> http://www.wedgwood-group.com/lcd_monitor_desk_stands.htm [05:00] <apokryphos> pretty affordable on ebay by the looks of things [05:00] <apokryphos> up to 235! Heh. [05:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: why doesn't it surprise me that that one is a Sony [05:01] <nikkia> its like, affordable...affordable...affordable....sony [05:01] <nikkia> and i bet it falls apart after 3 months :P [05:01] <apokryphos> hehe [05:01] <apokryphos> really affordable: http://search.ebay.co.uk/vesa-arm_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8 :P [05:01] <nikkia> those are mostly wall mounts [05:02] <apokryphos> bad idea? [05:02] <nikkia> i can't see the uni being too happy about you drilling holes in the halls wall, no [05:02] <apokryphos> No problem, I'll use my charm 8) [05:02] <apokryphos> Bond, James Bond. [05:03] <nikkia> in fact, when i was at uni, such 'structural damage' was generally terms for expulsion (from the halls, not uni) [05:03] <apokryphos> Well, I shouldn't be counting my chickens -- possibily that I won't get the grades. :| [05:03] <apokryphos> eek [05:03] <nikkia> the one desk mounting arm on that ebay page, i THINK is the one i've seen for 25 if you shop around [05:03] <nikkia> ebay isn't always cheap :/ [05:04] <nikkia> the place i bought my bass amp modeller from annoyed me with that [05:04] <nikkia> they have an ebay shop, i was JUST about to order from it, when i thought 'lets check their real mail order shop' [05:04] <nikkia> 10 cheaper! [05:04] <apokryphos> hah! [05:05] <apokryphos> Deskmount doesn't look too bad, the one there. Hardly the best make, but looks like it would do the job [05:05] <nikkia> my only concern with that, is you can't tell how it mounts to the desk [05:05] <nikkia> what you want, is a simple G clamp desk mount [05:06] <apokryphos> Might need ot check out some reviews on it [05:06] <nikkia> that one MAY still require drilling thru the desk [05:06] <nikkia> avoid suction cup ones, obviously :) [05:06] <apokryphos> heh [05:06] <seaLne> heh [05:06] <nikkia> last thing you want is to be awoken at night by 'swuuuuuuuuu CRASH' [05:06] <seaLne> especially if your bed is next to the desk [05:07] <nikkia> seaLne: it will be, in uni halls [05:07] <apokryphos> nikkia: they're not going to take nicely to drilling on the table, neither, really, are they? What other options are there other than a weighted one, I guess [05:07] <nikkia> seaLne: you usually get, at best, a 10x15' room [05:07] <nikkia> apok, G clamp [05:07] <nikkia> apokryphos: thats what you want.... [05:07] <apokryphos> nikkia: hoping not to stay in halls, but in "appartments". Advantages: ethernet sockets (can't really go to Uni without one), and en suite [05:08] <nikkia> the clamp goes over and around the edge of the desk, and tightens with a screw underneath [05:08] <apokryphos> nikkia: their idea of "appartments", though (funnily enough), is quite a good definition of halls. Around 500 people in one building [05:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: so, a 10x12' room, with a 10x3' bathroom :P [05:08] <apokryphos> Ohh, I remember that type of thing from Technology lessons. Indeed, that would work. [05:09] <apokryphos> nikkia: sure :P. En Suite is worth getting definitely, say my sisters and parents, though how bad could it be to share a shower ;-) [05:09] <apokryphos> I guess it's easier for boys, but I'd obv. prefer my own. Still. [05:09] <nikkia> apokryphos: i rented a house for (2.5+0.5)/4 of my years at uni [05:09] <apokryphos> Second change is intercollegiate halls, which is Catered :O [05:09] <seaLne> i think i'd prefer the extra room, normally there are cleaners cleaning the showers everyday so as long as your early you'll be fine [05:10] <nikkia> seaLne: *nod* the bathrooms on our floor at uni in halls were HUGE too [05:10] <apokryphos> seaLne: the showers I saw in Uni were really mashed... and this was on their Open day :O [05:10] <nikkia> about 2x the size of a hall room each, and we had 2 bathrooms per floor [05:10] <apokryphos> hah [05:10] <apokryphos> nikkia: Mind you, I didn't even visit King's, or the halls/appartments :|. Didn't consider the place an actual option [05:10] <nikkia> of course, being in a private house was better... [05:10] <apokryphos> Funny how things turn out [05:11] <seaLne> i stayed in halls for 2 years with shared toilets/showers and it was fine, weekend before last i was at the ukuug conference and the rooms were similar to what i used to have but with an ensuite inside... [05:11] <apokryphos> nikkia: was it with many others? [05:11] <nikkia> except when we got the psycho housemate :/ [05:11] <apokryphos> seaLne: yeah, I'd much rather have the extra money than En Suite, but I can't not have an ethernet socket ;-) [05:12] <seaLne> just live in the labs it didn't do me any harm :) [05:12] <apokryphos> I always think sharing a room at Uni is such a gamble, eventually put down that "I'd prefer not to". So much cheaper to, though. [05:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: first year in rented (2nd year at uni) it was with 2 other girls, then 12 months with a male friend, then 3 months with male friend + male psycho, then moved to private rented flat [05:12] <seaLne> i even got a job working in the labs :) [05:12] <nikkia> plus i moved back for 3 months after that, but then the landlord wanted to sell the house, so moved to halls after 3 months [05:12] <wincide> hi, do someone use opelzaslo ?? i have some problems that can't resolve :S [05:13] <apokryphos> nikkia: psycho? Sounds like a lot of fun :P [05:13] <apokryphos> seaLne: nice :) [05:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, not really, he really was a psycho, i mean, medically [05:13] <apokryphos> :S [05:13] <apokryphos> nikkia: what were you doing living with him? :| [05:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: i ended up in a fight with him, and smashed his head in with a 6" steel padlock [05:13] <nikkia> he still has the scar, i'm told [05:14] <seaLne> wincide: err what is opelzaslo google dosen't know either [05:15] <apokryphos> nikkia: so you weren't friends before that ended up living together? [05:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: his mum would come and sit and watch TV in the house, because she couldn't afford a TV... after a month or two, she came to the conclusion it was her TV, and wouldn't let anyone else watch it [05:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: his sister would visit him on wednesdays, when they let her out of the asylum [05:15] <wincide> seaLne: google doesn't know why my i can't see my projects run.. :\ tomcat and java sdk are correctly installed [05:15] <apokryphos> eeeeek [05:15] <nmorse> What's the best way to actually configure your wireless card after setting up ndiswrapper? [05:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: we needed a 3rd person to make up the rent, and he was a friend of a friend [05:16] <apokryphos> nikkia: isn't a steel padlock a little...er.. extreme still? :S [05:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: given that he was punching me in the face at the time, no [05:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: never punch someone in the face while they're trying to unlock the padlock to get into their room [05:17] <apokryphos> geez, you had it bad :( [05:17] <nikkia> chances are, once they succeed, they have a lump of about 1lb of steel in their hand :P [05:17] <apokryphos> sounds like he got what he deserved, then; hitting a lady in the face :Z [05:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: do you know what this fight was over? [05:17] <apokryphos> Who should've done the dishes [05:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: it is so insanely trivial, that you'll find it amazing... [05:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, sillier than that.... we didn't have phone service for the house, noone wanted to pay BT... [05:18] <apokryphos> nikkia: but that's what happens when there's persistent hostility with people who are really close to eachother [05:19] <apokryphos> I can understand it, to an extent. I used to be on *really* bad terms with my brother, and for a couple of months we'd fight *everyday*, without fail. Anything at all would make us kick off [05:19] <nikkia> but, BT being BT, they had only disconnected OUTGOING calls, and you were still supposed to rent a phone from BT at the time, so i brought the one i had at my parents home for my bedroom with me, i said i needed to take it home with me over christmas, and he somehow viewed that as me saying he used the phone too much [05:19] <nikkia> apokryphos: so, he figured he would physically assault me because i was questioning his phone usage [05:19] <apokryphos> If people can't reason, any meaningful communication breaks down [05:20] <seaLne> anyone here use the bittorrent trackers for (k)ubuntu install media? i've had problems since friday [05:20] <apokryphos> nikkia: sounds like a grade A idiot. Will remember to properly know someone before moving in with them [05:21] <nikkia> apokryphos: as i said, he was a psycho [05:21] <nikkia> apokryphos: and he rarely took his meds [05:21] <bert_db> does anyone know how i can load my wlan at boottime? [05:21] <nmorse> Are there any KDE programs for configuring wireless cards? [05:21] <nikkia> apokryphos: for 'fun' he'd go out, get drunk, and start fights with the biggest looking person in the pub [05:21] <apokryphos> nikkia: how did he manage to be a friend of a friend? :S [05:21] <seaLne> nmorse: kwifimanager [05:21] <nikkia> apokryphos: *shrug* [05:22] <apokryphos> nikkia: doesn't sound like his true colours were confined to the house [05:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: the common friend was a sane individual [05:22] <nikkia> although ceased to be a friend after the incident [05:22] <nmorse> Thanks, seaLne [05:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: you'll discover that uni is full of strange people like that :/ [05:23] <apokryphos> nikkia: how long were you with him? [05:23] <apokryphos> at least he wasn't a boyfriend :| [05:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: sharing the house? 3 months [05:23] <apokryphos> nikkia: good times apart from that? [05:23] <bert_db> can someone tell me how to load my wlan at boottime plz? [05:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: i moved out the next day, and when i returned after christmas break, i rented a flat for 50/mo [05:23] <regeya> hooray, physical assault [05:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: rent increase of 400%, but it was worth it [05:24] <apokryphos> nikkia: your other friend carried on living with him? [05:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, it was obvious from day 1 that he was a bit 'f'ed in the head' [05:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: over time, it became more and more apparent that he was going to be a problem at some point [05:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: the padlock on my door was only there because 2 weeks earlier he'd broken into my room and destroyed some of my clothes while drunk [05:25] <nmorse> Dadgummit, now I need to figure out how to enable the radio on the wireless card [05:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: the friend bore with him, but hated every minute of it, when the year ended, he asked if i wanted to move back, and told the landlord to NOT renew the other guy's contract [05:26] <apokryphos> nikkia: psycho indeed [05:26] <apokryphos> nikkia: seen him often since? [05:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: no [05:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: last time i saw him, was while running the other way... [05:27] <apokryphos> oh [05:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: it was a few months after he'd left the house, and i'd moved back in, and we had the bailiffs turn up - turns out this guy had defrauded lloyds by 60,000 ... [05:27] <apokryphos> nikkia: was University good apart from those three months (that's what I meant before, but nevermind :P) [05:27] <nikkia> so we told them his parent's address where they could find him [05:27] <apokryphos> 60,000! Yeouch. [05:27] <nikkia> he didn't look very happy when i saw him next, so i ran away rather rapidly :) [05:27] <apokryphos> good going :) [05:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: he had taken a loan for 60,000 to buy a motorbike (a harley), and had run off from where he had been renting, without telling lloyds [05:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: this had been 5 years or so before he went to uni, but obviously they'd caught up with him :) [05:29] <apokryphos> nikkia: did he have to do time/ [05:29] <nikkia> and i dunno, uni was a mixture of good times and bad times, i'd have to say the bad times probably outweighed the good, but thats mostly because i was a miserable person at the time and my life 'stank' [05:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: haven't a clue [05:30] <apokryphos> :( [05:30] <nikkia> apokryphos: the day he was walking towards where i was, after telling the bailiffs, and i ran, was the last i saw/heard of him, it was a month or two before the end of the course [05:30] <apokryphos> I'm still really looking forward to mine 8). Been told the first year involves.... no work. [05:30] <nikkia> he'd dropped out of uni by then, so he had no real reason to be around the uni [05:30] <apokryphos> right [05:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: probably the time i remember most from uni, and oddly this was both good and bad, was walking 5 miles across wasteland to go to a Wishbone Ash concert in the next town over, and not realising that it would involve 'walking 5 miles across wasteland, IN THE DARK' back afterwards :) [05:31] <nikkia> the concert was impressive, the getting lost in the wastelands, not so impressive [05:32] <apokryphos> Heh. That great carefree life ;-). I'd probably be really scared of the tiniest sound on the walk back if it was completely dark [05:32] <nikkia> in the end, a nice taxi driver i stumbled across sat sleeping in a car park on the edge of town, was nice enough to give me a ride home free [05:32] <apokryphos> huh...huh! what was that? [05:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: it was worse than completely dark [05:33] <apokryphos> cool; nice to see a good cabby [05:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: it was 5 miles of dodgy ground, with distant lights, that bore no real landmark [05:33] <nikkia> sure, they helped me get to the edge of the town, but i didn't have a clue where i was [05:33] <apokryphos> by yourself, though? How come? [05:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: it was during the time i was renting the flat alone, and didn't know anyone else that wanted to see a washed up 70s rock band :P [05:34] <apokryphos> hehe [05:35] <nikkia> you wouldn't think there would still be areas like that, just 'wasteland' between two towns in the UK these days, but there is :) [05:35] <apokryphos> You'da thought they'd merge or something, but hey. [05:35] <apokryphos> Won't be must wasteland in London, I'm sure. :| [05:35] <nikkia> apokryphos: there are some spots in north london [05:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: that brings to mind ANOTHER amusing anecdote from 'uni-related' stuff :) [05:36] <apokryphos> Sure, and on the outskirts etc. Nothing in Central, I meant 8) [05:36] <apokryphos> nikkia: fire away :P [05:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: see, i actually went to TWO unis, i went to hatfield for a year, then changed course, and ended up at teesside [05:36] <apokryphos> nikkia: I actually wonder if half our conversations are ever really relevant to #kubuntu :P [05:36] <apokryphos> Yup, I remember you mentioning. [05:37] <nikkia> but i still kept in touch with some friends from hatfield, and one of them, lived in north london, so whenever i needed to go to london for a concert or something, i'd crash at his parents' house [05:37] <nikkia> anyway, he's a bit of a psycho too, but a loveable type of psycho.... [05:37] <apokryphos> nice [05:37] <apokryphos> heh [05:37] <nikkia> and during one stay, he decided to show me the big collection of the pyro part of fireworks, he'd been collecting [05:38] <nikkia> anyway, he decided it was time to 'use' this collection, and build a rocket that he attached to the back of a large paper airplane he'd made, he figured it'd make the paper airplane go REALLY fast..... [05:38] <apokryphos> it would burn it, surely :S [05:39] <nikkia> we went to a park/wasteland just down the road from him, anyway, suffice to say, he had neglected to realise that structural integrity of paper != good enough to handle having a crapload of thrust applied to it, and it just kind of went around and around in dangerously random circles [05:39] <apokryphos> heh. One of those gadjet/experimenting people. I have a friend like that, but he always wildly exaggerates the affects [05:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah [05:40] <apokryphos> and he's good at English/describing too, so it sounds almost plausible [05:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: the next day we went to hamleys, and i showed him where the 'proper model rocket' stuff was :P [05:40] <apokryphos> "I was instantaniously trajected around 3.5 metres and a small mushroom cloud formed" [05:40] <apokryphos> hehehe [05:41] <nikkia> unfortunately, as we were walking out with him holding a big model rocket box, he was still looking at the R/C cars and muttering something about 'thrust' :) [05:42] <apokryphos> haha. No limits to the imagination 8) [05:43] <apokryphos> nikkia: many interesting personalities in Universites, no doubt. I figure I'l just try to meet as many people as possible in the first few days/weeks [05:44] <apokryphos> nikkia: do people generally end up becoming best friends with who's nearest? [05:44] <apokryphos> I've heard that a lot, and it was true for my two sisters. Found that pretty interesting. [05:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: 'nearest' ? [05:45] <apokryphos> nikkia: my sister, for example, became best friends with the girl next door to her. My other sister's best friends were all ones in the "house" (split into many appartments) with [05:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: ah, you mean physically close, i dunno, i think it varies [05:45] <nikkia> most of the people i've been 'best friends' with, were just people i had stuff in common with [05:46] <apokryphos> that's what I would've thought [05:46] <apokryphos> though my second oldest sister, I think people in her house were ones doing the same subjects.. yeah, they were. [05:48] <apokryphos> still, I have 3 straight days of work to drag me down 8) [05:48] <apokryphos> though, it doesn't really [05:48] <CellarDoor> a little good news kde fans [05:49] <CellarDoor> apparrently folks at ati wan't to work with the kde team on plasma putting em on their beta list [05:50] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: really? Cool. Link? [05:51] <CellarDoor> ah I just got in an email from KDE's panel-devel mailing list [05:52] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: what's the list called? [05:52] <CellarDoor> ah just a sec, I'll get a link for you [05:54] <CellarDoor> Here's the page on the KDE site with info on the many and varied mailing lists you can join to get the most up-to-date info :) http://www.kde.org/mailinglists/ [05:54] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: what's the actual list called? I'm on several mailing lists :) [05:56] <CellarDoor> panel-devel@kde.org [05:57] <apokryphos> hm, interesting; that doesn't appear there nor on lists.k.o [05:57] <CellarDoor> sorry, heres a better link [05:57] <CellarDoor> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/panel-devel [05:57] <Chameleon22> i am trying to run gnokii as a different user (as apposed to root) and need to add them to the right groups, added user to dialout group since thats what owns (root:dialout) ttyS0, error i get is: -Gnokii serial_open: open: Permission denied-Couldn't open FBUS device: Permission denied-Telephone interface init failed... any ideas? [05:57] <CellarDoor> hows that ? [05:57] <apokryphos> ah, I see the thread [05:58] <CellarDoor> I'm not sure what the implications are [05:59] <_admin> nick darkavenger [05:59] <darkavenger> ok [06:02] <CellarDoor> ah sometimes it nice to prompt one of the devs on freenode just to say, "thanks" [06:04] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: ? [06:04] <CellarDoor> In #KDE [06:04] <CellarDoor> my favorite desktop [06:05] <apokryphos> Yes, indeed. It's a volunteer effort for most [06:05] <apokryphos> and it's a huge commitment for whoever does it :) [06:05] <CellarDoor> I think its nice just to let them know you appreciate their hard work :) [06:32] <DocTomoe> i set up flash according to http://ubuntuguide.org/ ... but there are no fonts in flash. [06:32] <DocTomoe> what am I to do? [06:32] <mike1> greetings [06:33] <DocTomoe> hi mike1 [06:33] <mike1> I just upgraded to hoary and am trying to install kubuntu [06:33] <mike1> it's been installing and removing software for 3 hours is it stuck in a loop [06:34] <mike1> atlon 900mhz 256mb 40 gig [06:38] <apokryphos> mike1: never heard of that ever happening. Are you sure it's going in a loop? How did you try to install it? [06:40] <mike1> changed souces.list to hoary [06:40] <mike1> reloaded sources [06:40] <apokryphos> mike1: that won't get you kubuntu [06:41] <apokryphos> mike1: you were on warty? Did the update to hoary go successfully? [06:41] <mike1> yes [06:41] <mike1> successful [06:42] <apokryphos> mike1: and what did you do to try and get kubuntu then? [06:42] <mike1> using snynaptic loaded kubuntu but ommited kubuntu-live [06:43] <phreakys> hello [06:43] <mike1> could that be my problem? [06:43] <phreakys> how do i copy files with prefix foo_ to prefix bar_ ? [06:43] <apokryphos> mike1: perhaps. Remove any pending items in synaptic and put sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop in terminal [06:44] <mike1> thanks [06:44] <apokryphos> mike1: actually, wait [06:45] <apokryphos> mike1: better to get you to get 3.4.2 since you're installing anyway [06:45] <apokryphos> add deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main ..to your /etc/apt/sources.list [06:45] <mike1> the package manager synaptic is dead-locked and I can't find the process number to give it a kill signal [06:45] <apokryphos> mike1: dead locked? [06:46] <mike1> stuck somewhere [06:46] <apokryphos> just make it deselect all the selected packages for installation [06:46] <apokryphos> and deselect any broken packs [06:48] <mike1> yes thanks i realy want to try out krita [06:48] <mike1> it needs 3.4 [06:48] <apokryphos> Cool, you'll be able to. [06:49] <apokryphos> add the above line to your sources.list [06:49] <apokryphos> and add: deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice141 hoary-updates main [06:50] <mike1> done thanks got to reset machine [06:50] <apokryphos> why? [06:50] <apokryphos> after you add those make sure you sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [06:50] <mike1> synaptic is looping and I cann't find the process ID to give it a kill signal [06:50] <rrichie> hi all [06:51] <apokryphos> mike1: you want to kill synaptic? [06:51] <apokryphos> mike1: sudo killall synaptic [06:51] <apokryphos> You might have some dpkg errors, but they'll be solvable... [06:51] <rrichie> i'm building a program for KDE from source but i have to type ./configure --prefix=/path . What path should i write? [06:51] <apokryphos> rrichie: /usr [06:51] <rrichie> ok thx [06:52] <apokryphos> rrichie: for kde applications it's always ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix` [06:52] <mike1> NICE [06:52] <apokryphos> and kde-config --prefix in ubuntu is /usr [06:52] <_jan> hi [06:52] <rrichie> oh ok i didn't know that great thanks for the help [06:53] <_jan> amarok 1.3 is released can i get packages in hoary soon ? [06:53] <apokryphos> _jan: not sure if it's being packaged... in fact, I doubt it will be for hoary. [06:53] <apokryphos> _jan: there's a working .deb flying about on the forums though [06:54] <_jan> thanks for answer [06:54] <mike1> apokryphos: off and running "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop" [06:54] <mike1> thanks again [06:54] <apokryphos> hm, there's a beta3 one at least... no 1.3 yet [06:54] <apokryphos> mike1: ok, cool [06:55] <apokryphos> ubotu: amarok1.3 is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46143 [06:55] <ubotu> okay, apokryphos [06:57] <_jan> have these packages postgresql support [07:01] <phreakys> im trying to rename with the rename command but get the message: Bareword "foo" not allowed while "strict subs" in use [07:01] <phreakys> wtf is that for? [07:02] <_jan> this is problem in many ubuntu packages for exampel in arts with no jack support i most many packages recompile [07:03] <insanekane> phreakys: use mv instead of rename for renaming its just easier [07:07] <[Surge] > a[t-get and synaptic are giving me problems with regards to install CD as a source. [07:09] <[Surge] > I get a whole bunch of : [07:09] <[Surge] > W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Kubuntu 6.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407) hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Kubuntu%206.04%20%5fHoary%20Hedgehog%5f%20-%20Release%20i386%20(20050407)_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) [07:09] <[Surge] > How do I clean everything up and start from scratch? [07:09] <c0rrupt_> reformat [07:09] <[Surge] > :) [07:09] <[Surge] > Anything but that ... [07:09] <c0rrupt_> i just reformatted last night [07:10] <c0rrupt_> because i f*cked up the sources.list [07:10] <nikkia> _jan: lack of good jack support is one of the reasons i ended up going with LFS [07:10] <nikkia> _jan, i do wonder, however, whether or not dropping demudi on top of kubuntu would work... [07:11] <[Surge] > The thing it it's the cache that is messed not the sources. I just need to figure out how to get it to remake the cache. [07:12] <c0rrupt_> apt-get clean [07:12] <c0rrupt_> apt-get update [07:12] <root> / [07:12] <c0rrupt_> \ [07:13] <root> :P [07:13] <nikkia> [Surge] : think yourself lucky [07:13] <c0rrupt_> o.0 [07:13] <nikkia> my work PC has knoppix on it... [07:13] <c0rrupt_> [Surge] , reformating was the easieay fix for me, and quickest ;) [07:14] <nikkia> about 6 months ago, i was FORCED to reinstall, because i discovered that the version of apt i had.... had a 32,767 package limit :P [07:14] <nikkia> i hit that limit, and apt would simply refuse to do anything more [07:14] <c0rrupt_> so [07:14] <c0rrupt_> remove 1 [07:14] <c0rrupt_> upgrade apt [07:14] <nikkia> (it was probably actually dpkg that was failing) [07:14] <c0rrupt_> Lol [07:14] <[Surge] > c0rrupt_: I already have a custom kernel and a whole lot of software compiled from source - reformat is not an option [07:14] <c0rrupt_> hm [07:14] <nikkia> c0rrupt_: i couldn't remove anything, add anything, do anything, as i just said, it was probably dpkg that was dying, but either way, it wouldn't let me do ANYTHING to the package database [07:15] <c0rrupt_> oh.. [07:15] <c0rrupt_> i see.. [07:15] <root> too bad [07:15] <c0rrupt_> you got debowned [07:15] <[Surge] > Well I'll try what you suggested and see [07:15] <nikkia> as soon as i get chance, i'm pulling knoppix off that PC and putting kubuntu on it, tho [07:15] <c0rrupt_> [Surge] , go into #ubuntu, someone may be able to help there [07:15] <nikkia> but it means having a couple of days without activing working on something [07:17] <root> oh~shit!Can anyone tell me how to chage nickname on Konversation [07:17] <_jan> settings [07:17] <root> and? [07:17] <apokryphos> root: are you logged in as root? [07:17] <root> yeah [07:18] <phreakys> just great...i cant even rename a list of files :S [07:18] <_jan> is danger [07:18] <_jan> logged in normal user !!! [07:18] <root> Oh~~i see [07:18] <root> any methodes [07:18] <apokryphos> root: you shouldn't be; you could cause damage to your system there [07:19] <root> :P I see !but I am really a administartor [07:19] <_jan> when logged as root every can hack you system easier [07:19] <root> LOL [07:19] <c0rrupt_> Lol [07:19] <root> come on! [07:19] <c0rrupt_> h4x me [07:19] <c0rrupt_> im root tooo [07:19] <c0rrupt_> ;) [07:19] <apokryphos> root: it doesn't matter [07:19] <root> how to do that? [07:19] <apokryphos> Using kde as root is detrimental, too [07:20] <_jan> in ubuntu installtion you have creat user [07:20] <root> apokryphos ~:P [07:20] <root> thank you ,and I just like login as root! [07:20] <_jan> in kdm or gdm you can type the username and pw [07:21] <_jan> root can all the dark man on the otherside too [07:21] <root> !!!!!!!!!!!!! [07:21] <ubotu> Not a clue, root [07:21] <root> not have clue? [07:21] <c0rrupt_> didnt know ubotu was a person [07:21] <c0rrupt_> =P [07:22] <c0rrupt_> !tell c0rrupt_ about life [07:22] <root> !tell c0rrupt_ about life [07:22] <c0rrupt_> lmgfao [07:22] <c0rrupt_> lmfao [07:22] <c0rrupt_> '"" i dunno what is 'life'.""' [07:22] <root> [2005-08-17 01:23] <ubotu> Someone already said that 11 seconds ago [07:22] <root> ..... [07:23] <root> sldfjsdf [07:23] <c0rrupt_> saslepuss [07:24] <root> helllo [07:25] <mushroom_linux_c> aha~ [07:25] <mushroom_linux_c> I 've chang my nickname ~~~It's neat! [07:25] <apokryphos> You really shouldn't run with root :| [07:25] <c0rrupt_> helllo [07:25] <c0rrupt_> i love running with root [07:25] <mushroom_linux_c> hello dubby [07:25] <c0rrupt_> its like, hey script kiddies, come try and hack me! [07:26] <osfameron> if you think you're hard enough [07:26] <apokryphos> c0rrupt_: no.. it's like -- hey! I could damage my system! Yay! [07:26] <c0rrupt_> Lol [07:26] <mushroom_linux_c> yay [07:26] <c0rrupt_> yay [07:26] <c0rrupt_> party [07:26] <apokryphos> :| [07:26] <mushroom_linux_c> ;P [07:26] <c0rrupt_> =P [07:26] <c0rrupt_> o.0 [07:26] <c0rrupt_> 0.o [07:27] <mushroom_linux_c> .)(.) [07:27] <c0rrupt_> ^.^ [07:27] <mushroom_linux_c> (0)(0) [07:27] <c0rrupt_> O_o [07:27] <c0rrupt_> o_O [07:27] <mushroom_linux_c> cool [07:28] <mushroom_linux_c> Ubuntu is so cool! I like this os [07:29] <mushroom_linux_c> have to go now!bye eveyone~ [07:29] <mushroom_linux_c> nite nite~~~~~~~~~~~ [07:30] <c0rrupt_> kpz [07:32] <[Surge] > c0rrupt_: Sorted out - thanks :) [07:32] <c0rrupt_> what was wrong? [07:32] <c0rrupt_> dont thank me though thank #ubuntu, they are always helpful [07:33] <[Surge] > I never went there [07:33] <[Surge] > For some weird reason I had a wrong CDROM entry in in my sources.list [07:33] <[Surge] > Had a version 6.04 [07:33] <c0rrupt_> Lol [07:33] <c0rrupt_> so you made the 6 to a 5 [07:33] <[Surge] > Deleted the line and everything is happy now [07:33] <c0rrupt_> and everything went bybybe [07:33] <[Surge] > There were two lines - one 5.04 and one 6.04 [07:34] <[Surge] > I removed it and apt-get update it happy [07:34] <c0rrupt_> k [07:34] <[Surge] > *is happy [07:34] <[Surge] > And I'm also happy now :) [07:34] <c0rrupt_> how do i change my clock from 24 hour [07:34] <c0rrupt_> to 12 hour [07:36] <jake1> wtf [07:36] <jake1> people are saying i respond to the bot char but i don' [07:36] <jake1> don't [07:36] <jake1> * [07:36] <jake1> what is the bot char anyways? [07:37] <[Surge] > Dunno [07:37] <jake1> i got banned from #ubuntu twice [07:37] <jake1> cuz of it [07:37] <jake1> and i dnt know what is happening [07:37] <jake1> and i dnt know how to fix it [07:38] <[Surge] > hehe [07:38] <mushroom_linux_c> you Chinese? [07:38] <jake1> how can i tell who the ops of #ubuntu are? [07:38] <c0rrupt_> bob [07:38] <jake1> mushroom_linux_c no i am not [07:38] <c0rrupt_> 2 [07:39] <c0rrupt_> bob2 [07:39] <c0rrupt_> and [07:39] <c0rrupt_> seveas [07:39] <mushroom_linux_c> oh~~ [07:39] <mushroom_linux_c> :P [07:39] <jake1> i tried to /msg seveas it said no such nick/channel [07:42] <mcscruff> is there any kde 3.5debs? [07:44] <apokryphos> mcscruff: considering only alpha has been released, obviously not :) [07:45] <Tm_T> doh [07:46] <mcscruff> :( [07:47] <ahluka> hey all [07:47] <mcscruff> installing from source is gonna take ages [07:47] <ahluka> who's got the latest kubuntu [stupid question] ? [07:47] <ahluka> i've got a pain in the ass bug with KDE [07:47] <ahluka> 3.4 [07:47] <apokryphos> mcscruff: then you'll have to wait. I doubt any betas will be released, and personally I'd rather Kubuntu devs spent time doing other things rather than packaging betas [07:47] <ahluka> well i think it's just konqueror [07:47] <Tm_T> o/ (NOT!) [07:48] <apokryphos> ahluka: latest kde is 3.4.2 [07:48] <Tm_T> define latest [07:48] <ahluka> sorry [07:48] <ahluka> well, i'll tell you what happens: [07:48] <ahluka> every other time [or so] i open konqueror it closes immediately and i get a SIGSEGV dialogue [07:48] <ahluka> the same happens if i create a new folder in a konqueror window [07:49] <ahluka> is there any way to roll back a version? [07:49] <ahluka> ? [07:50] <mcscruff> poop a scoop [07:50] <apokryphos> ahluka: what version do you have? [07:50] <ahluka> konqueror? *checks* [07:50] <apokryphos> or kde, yes. [07:50] <ahluka> konqueror 3.4.0 [07:51] <c0rrupt_> upgrade to 3.4.2 [07:51] <apokryphos> !kde342 [07:51] <ubotu> from memory, kde342 is at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php [07:51] <ahluka> apparently it already is the latest, according to apt-get [07:51] <mcscruff> u need to add new repos [07:52] <mcscruff> ffs samba is pissing me off [07:53] <ahluka> ? [07:53] <ahluka> how [07:53] <mcscruff> its not working :) [07:53] <ahluka> lol [07:53] <ahluka> damn i g2g [07:54] <mcscruff> whats the best way to restart kde? [07:54] <mushroom_linux_c> logout? [07:54] <mushroom_linux_c> and then reboot? [07:54] <c0rrupt_> reboot -f [07:54] <apokryphos> No [07:54] <phreakys> anyone experienced with kubuntu? [07:54] <phreakys> i mean krusader [07:54] <mushroom_linux_c> reboot -f? [07:55] <mcscruff> brb [07:55] <apokryphos> To restart kde you just need to logout [07:55] <mcscruff> logging out [07:57] <McScruff> god damn samba [07:58] <McScruff> can someone help me with samba please [08:00] <[Surge] > Well if you tell us what is wrong someone may have an answer [08:00] <mike1> hmm just loaded seems okay but gnome started and I have kde apps under debian in my application pull down list? [08:00] <McScruff> surge, its not shareing to a network [08:01] <mike1> I did answer kdm for preferred desktop [08:01] <[Surge] > McScruff: I'm busy setting up samba as we speak :) [08:01] <[Surge] > But I'm doing it the easy way. webmin [08:02] <mike1> none of the koffice stuff or krita loaded [08:02] <apokryphos> mike1: did you install kubuntu-desktop? Everything go fine there? [08:03] <McScruff> im trying to do it through kcontrol [08:04] <mike1> did as you said [08:05] <apokryphos> mike1: did everything go fine? What's the output of kde-config --version? [08:05] <mike1> I'm now loading krita through synaptic [08:05] <mike1> 3.4.0 [08:05] <apokryphos> hm [08:06] <mike1> qt 3.3.3 [08:06] <apokryphos> mike1: did you add the 3.4.2 repository, for sure? [08:06] <mike1> I failed to run update on synaptic prior to the sudo aptitude command [08:07] <apokryphos> mike1: you didn't answer the question :) [08:07] <mike1> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main [08:07] <mike1> was added to sources [08:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: GAH! [08:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: my boss just called me.... [08:08] <nikkia> 'i've ordered those 2 PCs you wanted' [08:08] <apokryphos> nikkia: hahaha [08:08] <apokryphos> :P [08:08] <apokryphos> Life [08:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: he also said 'after all this work you've put in on this project, i'll sort out some other bonus for you on top of them too' [08:08] <apokryphos> What a guy ;-) [08:08] <McScruff> sambas working :) [08:09] <[Surge] > Cool [08:09] <[Surge] > I didn't know it was in kcontrol [08:09] <McScruff> :) [08:09] <[Surge] > Didn't need to load webmin [08:09] <McScruff> kcontrol is easy [08:10] <apokryphos> nikkia: how many working computers are you going to have exactly? :P [08:10] <nikkia> apokryphos: in the house? 6 [08:10] <apokryphos> heh [08:11] <m0ns00n^main> Evening [08:11] <nikkia> means i need to order another 100baseT switch :/ [08:11] <mike1> krita is awesome [08:11] <mike1> thanks [08:11] <apokryphos> mike1: sudo apt-get upgrade [08:12] <apokryphos> to get the latest kde [08:12] <mike1> thanks [08:12] <MagicStick> hi guys...can anyone help with this error in PHP script...Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() [08:12] <[Surge] > McScruff: Yeah kcontrol makes it very easy. Damn it's nice. [08:12] <MagicStick> i have all the php-mysql modules installed [08:13] <apokryphos> MagicStick: not a kde-related issue, so you're more likely to have luck in #ubuntu [08:13] <mike1> I must say this is very impressive I've used linux exclusively for 5 years and freebsd for prob 3 years upgrades on the fly that work! [08:14] <mike1> check out http://mreavey.homeip.net [08:14] <[Surge] > MagicStick: It sounds like you haven't installed MySQL yet or the MySQL plugin for PHP [08:15] <m0ns00n^main> MagicStick: You don't habe it totally installed [08:15] <MagicStick> [Surge] I have installed everything - phpmyadmin seems to work fine [08:15] <m0ns00n^main> have [08:15] <m0ns00n^main> MagicStick: The mysql php package isn't installed [08:16] <MagicStick> php4-mysql package is installed [08:17] <[Surge] > And MySQL? [08:17] <MagicStick> yes mysql is currently installed as well [08:19] <[Surge] > Strange [08:19] <[Surge] > Then it must be a config problem [08:20] <[Surge] > MagicStick: I'm just looking for some info [08:20] <MagicStick> on doing phpinfo(), one of the configure command is '--without-mysql' [08:20] <MagicStick> thanks surge [08:21] <[Surge] > Ah ... thought so [08:22] <MagicStick> anyway of changing this..i installed php/mysql from deb resources so haven't changed anything [08:22] <zAo^> can I remove kdeutils and kdebase safely? [08:22] <[Surge] > Last time I installed PHP I compiled from source and enabled MySQL support [08:23] <pax> you restarterd apache after installing that stuff ofcourse [08:23] <MagicStick> i don't really feel like installing it from source, specially when its in the repos - and it worked before fine [08:23] <MagicStick> pax - yes twice [08:24] <pax> MagicStick: let'see your phpinfo() page [08:24] <MagicStick> test.vmhost.co.uk [08:24] <McScruff> configure: error: Your Installation isn't able to compile simple C++ programs. [08:24] <McScruff> Check config.log for details - if you're using a Linux distribution you might miss [08:24] <McScruff> a package named similar to libstdc++-dev. [08:25] <McScruff> i have already installed it tho [08:25] <crimsun> did you install 'build-essential'? [08:25] <McScruff> maybe [08:25] <crimsun> dpkg -l build-essential|grep ^ii [08:25] <[Surge] > MagicStick: PHP : ./configure --with-apache=/path/to/apache/dir --with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql :) [08:26] <pax> MagicStick: sudo apt-get --purge remove php4-mysql and then install it again [08:26] <McScruff> ty crimsun [08:26] <pax> apache2ctl graceful [08:26] <c0rrupt_> Moskau, Moskau, Wodka trinkt man pur und kalt, [08:26] <c0rrupt_> das macht hundert Jahre alt, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho! Hej! [08:27] <pax> c0rrupt_: tried #ubuntu-nl ? [08:27] <c0rrupt_> Lol [08:27] <c0rrupt_> im english [08:27] <MagicStick> surge/ pax - got it working - i un-commented a line in php.ini: extension=mysql.so [08:27] <McScruff> im english too :O [08:27] <pax> good stuff :) [08:28] <c0rrupt_> long live americans [08:28] <c0rrupt_> ;x [08:28] <MagicStick> thanks for your help :-) [08:28] <c0rrupt_> your welcome [08:28] <McScruff> shall we dance? [08:28] <c0rrupt_> i already am [08:29] <pax> english huh, 'your welcome' is english? ;c) [08:29] <matthew> howdy guys, not a complete linux noob, but have never used debian before, so i am unfamiliar with apt get, and am having trouble upgrading kopete, as my version will not connect to msn [08:29] <matthew> anyone got any ideas? [08:29] <crimsun> matthew: you can check hoary-backports for a newer kopete version [08:29] <McScruff> update kde [08:30] <McScruff> or go on kopetes website and grab the latest [08:30] <matthew> i ran apt-get upgrade and it apparently updated 70 packages, but after a restart still the same problem? [08:30] <pax> what version are you sing now? [08:31] <McScruff> if you grab the latest kde repos you can update kde and that will update kopete [08:31] <matthew> 0.10 [08:31] <c0rrupt_> Xsplosive [08:31] <matthew> what command to update kde? [08:31] <pax> !repos [08:31] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [08:32] <pax> the repo for KDE 3.4.2 is topic [08:32] <[Surge] > Nice pax - never new of that :) [08:32] <pax> [Surge] : whatcha mean? [08:32] <[Surge] > knew [08:32] <matthew> thanks everyone, i will try to upgrade kde now [08:32] <[Surge] > !repos [08:32] <ubotu> hmm... repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 [08:33] <c0rrupt_> xsplosive [08:33] <c0rrupt_> west coast shit [08:33] <pax> oh hehe ubotu is da man [08:33] <[Surge] > Hmmm ... doesn't like me ;) [08:33] <[Surge] > Ah ... slow [08:33] <[Surge] > matthew: Hold on a minute [08:33] <[Surge] > I got my Kopete to work with MSN [08:34] <[Surge] > Let me find out where I got it from [08:34] <matthew> ok [08:34] <pax> it works with msn outta the box, atleast here [08:34] <pax> using Kopete: 0.10.3 [08:34] <matthew> i am using 0.10 though [08:35] <pax> didn't everyone suggest upgrading? [08:35] <matthew> i added a repoitory to sources.list [08:35] <[Surge] > How do I find what source my kopete came from? [08:35] <matthew> do i do sudo apt-get upgrade now? [08:35] <apokryphos> [Surge] : you can't, really... [08:35] <pax> sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade matt [08:35] <apokryphos> yes, upgrading is recommended [08:36] <matthew> its just grabbing binaries and not source isnt it? [08:36] <pax> !info kopete [08:36] <ubotu> kopete: (Instant messenger program), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 4258 kB, Installed size: 14384 kB [08:36] <apokryphos> matthew: correct [08:36] <[Surge] > I have kopete 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2.1 (kopete 0.10) and it works [08:36] <Tm_T> kopete <3 [08:37] <matthew> good, no day long compiles like gentoo:) [08:37] <matthew> this is a known problem, msn changed something in their servers [08:37] <[Surge] > Hehe [08:38] <matthew> so the new kopete is in the kde upgrade, because i\t is a kde app, correct? [08:38] <Tm_T> yay [08:38] <apokryphos> matthew: erm, what? [08:39] <matthew> kopete is part of kde, so it is upgraded when i update kde? [08:39] <apokryphos> Generally, yes. [08:39] <matthew> ok gotcha [08:39] <matthew> it is upgrading kde now, going to h ave tea now, brb [08:40] <Tm_T> kopete is a part of kdenetwork package (?) [08:40] <apokryphos> correct [08:40] <pax> yes it is. [08:40] <pax> http://ubuntu.synssans.nl/pool/main/k/kdenetwork/kopete_3.4.0-0ubuntu2_i386.deb <- see it? [08:40] <Tm_T> yay [08:41] <Tm_T> and I supposed to be a kopete dev (not really) [08:41] <jjesse> just finished a section in the kubuntu userguide on kopote [08:41] <Tm_T> nice [08:42] <pax> jjesse: link please [08:42] <jjesse> not uploaded into the docteam preview yet :( [08:42] <jjesse> working on getting it done [08:43] <pax> did you state somewhere that kopete owns gaim? jes kidding :c) [08:43] <apokryphos> jjesse: kubuntu doc team? I was gonna join and started doing some stuff but got overloaded with other kde docs; I'll hopefully be able to contribute in the future. Great stuff you've got going there :) [08:43] <apokryphos> Looking forward to the breezy docs =) [08:43] <jjesse> nod kubuntu doc team i'm hard at work getting the kubuntu userguide finished [08:44] <apokryphos> jjesse: heh, great stuff; I've just been doing work on kde userguide ;-) [08:44] <jjesse> apokryphos: you should join us we need more kde people [08:44] <jjesse> apokryphos: i looked through the kde user guide nice stuff there [08:45] <apokryphos> jjesse: I'd quite like to, but quite pressed for time lately; all my idle internet time going to kde -- have a few commitments there [08:46] <apokryphos> In the future, hopefully. :) [08:46] <jjesse> apokryphos: i totally understand i've been slacking on the docs, but trying to cram things in for breezy [08:46] <apokryphos> I'll prolly be able to contribute for 6.04 if I'm still with 'buntu 8) [08:47] <c0rrupt_> lol [08:47] <jjesse> 6.04 is supposed to be the one for a couple of years of support right? [08:48] <apokryphos> jjesse: Enteprise release? I think so [08:48] <c0rrupt_> when you look under the rocks and plants and take a glance at the fancy ants [08:48] <apokryphos> not sure if anything's set in stone [08:48] <c0rrupt_> maybe you'll try a fe [08:49] <apokryphos> jjesse: anyhow, off for a sleep now before work; but thanks for all the work into the docs; I'm sure all kubu users will really appreciate it. Will have to start updating ubotu with links to them ;-) [08:49] <jjesse> grin thanks apokryphos [08:50] <zAo^> how can connect to a windows remote desktop in KDE? [08:50] <c0rrupt_> Krdc [08:50] <zAo^> thanks [08:51] <jjesse> or use the tsclient or rdesktop [08:52] <McScruff> how do i install epos [08:52] <seaLne> with kynaptic [08:53] <matthew> hey again, those commands finished, do i need to restart kde now? [08:53] <seaLne> yes [08:54] <matthew> kill what process? [08:54] <seaLne> if it updated lots of other stuff you might be as well to reboot [08:54] <matthew> ah ok [08:54] <matthew> cya in a minute then:P [08:54] <derek> is there a way for a System.Windows.Forms.MessageBox to return the results of 2 text fields? [08:55] <matthew> 3.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary1 <---------- is that the right version it upgraded to\? [08:55] <douglas> my openoffice2 fonts show up as gibberish and I can't use the Suite because of it? HELP! [08:55] <seaLne> matthew: yep [08:55] <matthew> ok thanks guys [08:57] <douglas> anyone? [08:57] <PieD> douglas: which OOo 2 version ? [08:57] <douglas> um... the one in the hoary repository [08:58] <douglas> note: I have multiverse and universe [08:59] <_matthew> thanks guys, it works fine, another copy of xp bites the dust:P [09:00] <seaLne> cool [09:00] <douglas> Has anyone else had problems with OOo2? [09:00] <douglas> I guess I'll just download a copy [09:02] <_matthew> how do i get kopete to look like on the offical site? [09:03] <_matthew> with people's display pics next to their names etc [09:03] <seaLne> that depends i think on if they have pictures set in their client to send [09:04] <_matthew> which they do, as i am on msn [09:04] <seaLne> hmm no idea just had a look [09:05] <_matthew> the default look looks very dreary in comparison [09:05] <jjesse> in kopote you can set it to download the icons, if i recall correctly? [09:06] <_matthew> ah ok, ill try [09:06] <jjesse> under the account preferences of the msn account [09:06] <jjesse> it says "automatically download the display picture if possible" [09:06] <jjesse> which is unchecked by default [09:06] <[Surge] > _matthew: Easy [09:07] <[Surge] > Settings [09:07] <[Surge] > Configure Kopete [09:07] <[Surge] > Appearance [09:07] <[Surge] > Contact List [09:07] <[Surge] > Set "Detailed With Contact Photos" [09:08] <_matthew> thank you [09:09] <_matthew> yay!:D [09:09] <[Surge] > My pleasure [09:10] <_matthew> now to get clever, is it possible to have an entry in the KDE address book, and link it with a contact in kopete? [09:15] <[Surge] > _matthew: Not sure I saw some sort of sync though [09:15] <_matthew> ok [09:17] <[Surge] > You can only do it with each user [09:17] <[Surge] > 1. Select a user [09:17] <[Surge] > Edit->Properties [09:17] <_matthew> got it thanks [09:17] <[Surge] > 3. Custom Notifications [09:17] <[Surge] > :) [09:17] <[Surge] > Sync KABC [09:18] <[Surge] > Which is Kontact's address book [09:18] <[Surge] > Which doesn't appear to work for me but I don't need it :) [09:20] <_matthew> lol [09:20] <CellarDoor> uhmm I have a problem [09:21] <[Surge] > We all have problems CellarDoor - welcome to humanity. [09:21] <_matthew> go ahead! [09:22] <CellarDoor> I purged kdelibs-data and was going to reinstall but it seems I have purged quite a lot [09:26] <_matthew> how do i do print screen? i wanna show off my new desktop to friends:P [09:26] <_matthew> print screen in linux, that is [09:27] <PieD> start ksnapshot [09:28] <_matthew> ta [09:29] <Imrahil> CellarDoor, your alias is said to be the most beautiful word in all of english [09:31] <CellarDoor> sorry, was stuck in console [09:31] <CellarDoor> argh [09:32] <ahluka> hmm [09:32] <tenco> hi all [09:32] <ahluka> hey all [09:32] <tenco> i am testing kubuntu [09:32] <tenco> just a question [09:33] <tenco> how do i install german language packages for kde [09:33] <ahluka> tenco, are you having problems with konqueror in kubuntu? [09:33] <ahluka> tenco, mine keeps crashing - SIGSEGV [09:33] <tenco> no [09:33] <ahluka> weird [09:34] <movi> can anyone help me with the evil automounter in media:/ kioslave ? [09:34] <movi> i want to disable it, and instead make kde use the normal fstab rules [09:34] <troy> grub is borked - is there any way to boot using the install or livecd kernel while specifying it use the hard disk for root? [09:34] <CellarDoor> I was told in #KDE to purge kdelibs-data and reinstall to rectify kcontrol not being where it should be... well... now half of KDE is cactus... and I can't seem to get it back even if I try to upgrade it doesn't replace lost packages like ermm Konqueror ! And just about every other important item. [09:34] <movi> or AT LEAST make media:/ display names of the partitions instead of 4.0G Media\ [09:34] <nikkia> movi, go to kcontrol... [09:35] <movi> nikkia : yes...\ [09:35] <nikkia> then kde components, then service manager, find kded and turn it off [09:35] <CellarDoor> I'm afraid to log out cause It might be truly stuffed [09:35] <nikkia> erm, kded media manager, rather [09:36] <nikkia> movi, i had to turn it off because it was interfering with k3b :/ [09:36] <movi> nikkia : yay, now another one [09:36] <movi> nikkia : i happen to mount all of my volumes in /Volumes instead of /media [09:37] <CellarDoor> good grief, most of my programs have gone [09:37] <CellarDoor> this is truly crap [09:37] <movi> will ln -s /Volumes /media suffice to make the partitions mounted via fstab appear on the desktop (if i selected the appropiate KDE option) [09:37] <nikkia> movi, no idea, never tried it [09:38] <movi> nikkia : it's still there!! [09:38] <movi> after a restart of kdm! [09:39] <CellarDoor> there's hardly anything left in my Kmenu [09:39] <CellarDoor> argh !!! [09:39] <movi> CellarDoor : apt-get remove --purge <someobscurekdelib> [09:39] <movi> this will make all of kde go away WITH it's configuration files [09:39] <movi> but to be sure do also [09:39] <pax> CellarDoor: if it's just a kmenu issue then it can be corrected with kmenuedit [09:39] <movi> rm -rf ~/.kde [09:40] <movi> Cellar : then apt-get install kde-desktop-environment [09:40] <pax> it's nice nice to write your own menu anyway. [09:40] <movi> Cellar : and youll get the stock things back [09:40] <movi> nikkia : i still have the 4G Media under media:// even though i stopped the KDED Media Manager and restarted kdm [09:41] <movi> nikkia : should i reboot? (unlikely) [09:44] <nikkia> movi, stopping the media manager just stops it being auto-mounted, it will still list all devices there [09:45] <[Surge] > _matthew: I added ksnapshot the the KDE hotkeys so PrintScreen button launches it like it does in Mandrake/Mandriva [09:45] <movi> nikkia : do they have to ALL be like 16G Media, 19G Media instead of partition labels or at least inherit the mount folder name ? I have 15 partitions and showing me the size as the name is not a very good idea [09:46] <CellarDoor> you gotta be kidding me... [09:46] <CellarDoor> cant find kde-desktop-envirnoment [09:46] <movi> apt-cache search kde desktop [09:46] <movi> install the most broad one [09:46] <CellarDoor> try just kde and it wants me to put kubuntu disk in... argh [09:46] <movi> even better, lok for kubuntu desktop [09:47] <CellarDoor> I had KDE 3.4.2 with only a minor problem (kcontrol not in kmenu)... I wish I hadn't bothered with it as now I have a major problem [09:48] <movi> CellarDoor : you should have just deleted you .kde/ dir ;) [09:48] <movi> and started all over [09:49] <CellarDoor> great [09:50] <CellarDoor> >:( [09:51] <movi> CellarDoor : just do what i say [09:51] <movi> and youll be alright [09:52] <movi> rm -rf ~/.kde [09:52] <movi> rm -rf ~/.qt [09:52] <movi> rm .kderc [09:52] <movi> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop kubuntu-default-settings [09:53] <movi> reboot and everything should be alright [09:53] <movi> it's not that hard [09:53] <CellarDoor> well right now its asking for the kubuntu disk [09:54] <CellarDoor> will that give me kde3.4.2 back again ? [09:54] <[Surge] > Only one way to find out [09:57] <movi> CellarDoor : whatever your Kubuntu came preinstalled with [09:57] <CellarDoor> oh hang on [09:57] <movi> you CAN fetch the newest from the ubuntu servers later on [09:57] <Cypress> hello, i just installed kubuntu 5.04 and my sound is not working. I know how to configure it with 'alsaconf' however that does not seem to be installed, and I seem to not be able to find that package with kynapse to download it. does anyone know how I can get AlsaConf to work> [09:58] <CellarDoor> It asked for the disk... but seems to be fetching updates [09:58] <CellarDoor> hmm I thought my sources list was gone as well [09:59] <_matthew> vlc or kaffine guys? [09:59] <CellarDoor> this is most frustrating and exciting at the same time as I'm being edumacated... [10:00] <Cypress> _matthew, i use XMMS [10:01] <CellarDoor> _matthew I use Kaffeine or Totem most of the time and VLC as my fallback when the others won't play a disk as it seems to work when all else fails usually... [10:02] <Cypress> so anyone know how to get alsaconf to work??? [10:03] <CellarDoor> movi, I put the kubuntu disk in and let it do what it wanted... we'll see what happens... if that doesn't work I'll do what you said, which I would have done if I wasn't already in a situation where it was asking me for the disk [10:03] <CellarDoor> I dunno what it wanted the disk for cause its fetching stuff online anyway [10:05] <[Surge] > Cypress: alsaconf is not available in (k)ubuntu [10:06] <Cypress> is there any way to install it? [10:07] <Cypress> or am i just going to have to chose another distro? [10:12] <_matthew> aaaaaaaaaaaah i feel so noobish, why wont sudo apt-get vlc work? [10:12] <seaLne> apt-get install vlc [10:13] <_matthew> thanks [10:18] <MikeStyle> hi, i need some help installing the moodin engine [10:18] <MikeStyle> can anyone help [10:22] <_matthew> anyone no why i'm getting no video in vlc with wmv files? [10:23] <_matthew> *know [10:24] <Cypress> do u have the codec? [10:24] <_matthew> ah......... [10:37] <setite> right [10:45] <_matthew> left [10:47] <Yns> Hi , I'm having problems about connecting to internet with Cnet ethernet card.Should I install a patch for kernel ? Any idea ? [10:47] <Yns> * I'm in kubuntu. [10:51] <Cypress> does Kubuntu recognize your card? [10:52] <Yns> yep [10:54] <salil> can anyone tell me why my kubuntu and other kde programs keep on crashing.. [10:55] <_matthew> how do you connect to teh internet? router? [10:56] <salil> no.. [10:56] <Cypress> Yns if u connect through a router and have it be the DHCP server, make sure ur card is configured to get an IP from the router [10:56] <Cypress> configure ur card to accept the address that the DHCP server aka ur router is giving it [10:56] <salil> what..?? [10:57] <Cypress> that was for Yns to u salil [10:58] <sforwk> Hello. Can I jump in and ask a about apt-get? [11:00] <Yns> Cypress I tried that .. [11:05] <sforwk> I'm new to Kubuntu. I'm trying to install kdesdk. Apt-get and Kynaptic only find kdesdk-doc. Both suggest kdesdk. Where can I get it? [11:06] <sforwk> And how do I get it? [11:08] <Cypress> sforwk did u try apt-get install kdesdk? [11:09] <hyperactivecrond> http://musicalcocaine.kicks-ass.net/~chris/firefoxmicrosoft.png [11:09] <hyperactivecrond> look at this [11:09] <hyperactivecrond> howlarious [11:09] <CellarDoo> clear [11:09] <CellarDoo> argh [11:09] <hyperactivecrond> what happens when you visit MS Passport on Firefox [11:09] <CellarDoo> :/ [11:09] <CellarDoo> brb [11:10] <sforwk> Yes I did try apt-get. It installs kdesdk.doc and suggests kdesdk but doesn't install it. [11:11] <Cypress> you can try downloading it from http://kde.gnusoft.net/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu/pool/kdesdk/ [11:13] <sforwk> Cypress, I think I tried that but didn't know what to get. I'm a slackware user til now, so I've never used the apt-get method. [11:13] <sforwk> Do I just get the build package? [11:15] <Aapzak> unbelievable assholes in #debian, yuk [11:16] <Rogue_Jedi_X> They are? [11:16] <Aapzak> yeps [11:16] <Aapzak> arrogant [11:16] <nikkia> Aapzak: they're world renowned for it [11:16] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Really? [11:16] <nikkia> Aapzak: almost meeting the legendary old efnet #linux level [11:16] <jason_> linux newbie.. how do I move my screen.. without using the controls on my monitor [11:16] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Live and learn [11:17] <Aapzak> pfff, I just got muted for asking if KDE 3,3,2 was in unstable [11:17] <nikkia> Aapzak: were the words 'stfu' 'noob' and 'rtfm' used? [11:17] <c0rrupt_> wow [11:17] <nikkia> they usually are [11:17] <goofy36> w00t [11:17] <Aapzak> I guess they're just frustrated about that :) [11:17] <c0rrupt_> #ubuntu [11:17] <c0rrupt_> works great [11:17] <c0rrupt_> all helpful [11:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That's almost like our country's linux channel on IRCnet [11:17] <nikkia> Aapzak: 3.3.2 ? [11:17] <Aapzak> yeah [11:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Aapzak: Try 3.4.2 [11:18] <nikkia> Aapzak: heh, i suppose asking for 3.4.2 is a bit out of the question [11:18] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: its debian... [11:18] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: i'm surprised they have kde 3. anything :) [11:18] <Aapzak> I browsed the package site and thought I saw 3.3.2 [11:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That behind, huh? [11:18] <Aapzak> I was unsure about that and asked [11:18] <Aapzak> it is [11:18] <Aapzak> the Debian way [11:18] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: 'stfu noob, we're busy packaging gnome 1.1!!' [11:19] <Rogue_Jedi_X> *gasps* [11:19] <CellarDoor> sif use gnome [11:19] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Lemme guess. Still on XFree86 as well? [11:19] <Aapzak> well, xorg is in unstable now [11:19] <nikkia> Aapzak: as an option, iirc [11:20] <Aapzak> prolly [11:20] <nikkia> Aapzak: iirc, they still install xfree 3.something as the default on stable! [11:20] <Rogue_Jedi_X> How long did it take them to release the recent stable version of Debian? [11:20] <Aapzak> anyway, you're allways nice inhere, and the Gentoo community is fabulous as well, I was just shocked by their reactions [11:20] <nikkia> Aapzak: #debian really is well known for that [11:21] <nikkia> Aapzak: and its not as bad as the old efnet #linux was [11:21] <CellarDoor> everyone I know who uses debian is using sarge [11:21] <Aapzak> well, I hate to be treated like that [11:21] <Aapzak> :) [11:21] <Rogue_Jedi_X> nikkia: I'd be interested to know what the fabled #linux channel of EFnet was like [11:21] <nikkia> Aapzak: i once went into #linux, while i was trying to write a device driver, and asked for a little help, and got told to stfu, rtfm, and told to downgrade to a stable kernel [11:21] <Aapzak> CellarDoor: sarge is the current stable release which is allright now, but will not change untill 2007 [11:22] <sforwk> Cypress, that url has both kdedsk and cervisia. Ver 3.4.1. My kubuntu is 3.4.0. will that be much problem? [11:22] <Aapzak> 2008 even :) [11:22] <Rogue_Jedi_X> nikkia: And I suppose that was on their good day? [11:22] <CellarDoor> my KDE is broken [11:22] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: i guess [11:22] <Cypress> i really can not tell you, sorry [11:22] <sforwk> Cypress, if I download a .deb package, how do I use it locally? Will apt-get work on local packages? [11:23] <Cypress> i am really a n00b in linux [11:23] <Rogue_Jedi_X> sforwk: dpkg -i [name of deb package here] [11:23] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: i seriously got told to downgrade to kernel 0.99plSomethingOrOther while i was trying to write a driver for 1.0.something [11:23] <Aapzak> I'm always having a good time inhere anyway, tnx for that [11:23] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Heh, wow [11:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> #debian must be their offspring then [11:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I should check it out, maybe get a few laughs...or gasps [11:24] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: debian is so far behind, they probably still think its 1993 anyway :P [11:24] <Aapzak> BTW, I was not nice in #debian myself, I got 'package.debian.org' as answer and answered myself 'typically debian answer' [11:25] <Aapzak> 3 sentences later I had no Karma and could not talk anymore [11:25] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yeaouch [11:25] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Karma? I thought debian was a distro, not a religion [11:25] <CellarDoor> lol [11:25] <Aapzak> so I guess I hit 2 buttons in the same time, 3.3.2 and theit behaviour [11:25] <Aapzak> :) [11:25] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: where on earth did you get that idea? [11:26] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: just read some of the flamewars on the debian dev lists, its clearly a religion :P [11:26] <Rogue_Jedi_X> nikkia: I didn't. Little green men told me [11:26] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: i'd recommend the firefox vs mozilla-firefox debate as a starting place [11:26] <CellarDoor> Debian people who don't hang out in #debian are more human [11:26] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I stand corrected [11:26] <Aapzak> I find iit hard to believe any Linux user acts that way. Most of us use Linux for some reason, and I hope its not just to annoy the world [11:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> nikkia: Taking place...where? [11:27] <nikkia> Aapzak: there's quite a lot that just use it to be '31337' [11:27] <kay> i always found #debian people to be very nice [11:27] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: one of the debian mailing lists, they're archived on www.debian.org [11:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ah, thanks. Checking out...NOW! [11:28] <kay> The thing is, with 1000 developers, you get to have some people who hate each other [11:28] <Aapzak> I've been a happy Debian user for years and am just disappointed [11:28] <kay> Because they think, work and target so differently [11:29] <kay> Aapzak: What's the deal? [11:29] <Aapzak> oh, they muted me :) [11:29] <CellarDoor> what did thy mute you for ? [11:29] <Aapzak> I asked if KDE 3.3.2 was in Unstable [11:29] <kay> And? [11:30] <Aapzak> aswer: packages.debian.org [11:30] <phreakys> hi [11:30] <kay> What's wrong with that answer? [11:30] <Aapzak> my answer: typically Debian answer [11:30] <CellarDoor> hehe [11:30] <sforwk> thanks rogue_jedi [11:30] <kay> I mean, isn't it about helping people to help themselves [11:30] <Aapzak> that wasn't received well [11:30] <CellarDoor> yeah whats wrong with a simple, "yes" [11:30] <phreakys> im trying to run pure-ftpd, but the port seems to be taken [11:30] <nikkia> kay, it IS effectively 'stfu noob, rtfm!' [11:30] <Aapzak> kay, I checked that site [11:30] <phreakys> how can i check what is on port 21? [11:30] <Aapzak> and I did not think 3.3.2 in unstable could be right [11:30] <kay> Well, if you learn packages.debian.org, you get to know everything [11:31] <kay> nikkia: It is an URL which you can follow and have your answer. [11:31] <Aapzak> kay, I thought I was mistaking and wanted some ACK [11:31] <nikkia> kay, its also a terse answer that isn't really an answer, much like rtfm [11:31] <nikkia> r'ing tfm is good advice, but its a lousy answer to a question [11:31] <sforwk> Rogue_jedi, I get "no such file or directory" error. How can I tell dpkg where to look? [11:31] <kay> Well, except for giving you the URL of it [11:32] <CellarDoor> A nice answer might have been "yes, see packages.debian.org" [11:32] <Aapzak> kay, my answer was not: which KDE is in unstable [11:32] <kay> nikkia: If for Debian, and Ubuntu too, it is so easy to find out yourself [11:32] <nikkia> kay, thats not the point [11:32] <kay> And, the people you ask would have to do the very same thing [11:32] <kay> Isn't it unfair to expect people to serve as answer bots for such questions? [11:33] <kay> The real question, btw [11:33] <nikkia> kay, there's a gulf of difference between 'packages.debian.org' and 'i don't know, check packages.debian.org' [11:33] <sforwk> Thanks CellarDoor, I'll go there now. [11:33] <kay> Is - as I guess - the expected follow up [11:33] <kay> 3.3.2, hey common. shouldn't it be 3.4.2 at least? [11:33] <Aapzak> kay, I presumed there was someone in the channel running KDE on unstable, and could acknowledge or deny my question [11:33] <kay> You didn't ask that then... [11:34] <Aapzak> I asked: is KDE 3.3.2 in unstable [11:34] <kay> I expect, you ran into some heat with KDE backlog due to C [11:34] <kay> eh sorry [11:34] <kay> C++ transition [11:34] <kay> Debian is by far not as fast to transition as Ubuntu was... [11:35] <CellarDoor> I was reading about qt4 earlier and whats happening with KDE being ported to it and why and so forth... sounds good [11:35] <nikkia> CellarDoor: KDE is always ported to the latest Qt, eventually [11:35] <Aapzak> I was thinking about running Debian @ work, because I like the distro and use it on some servers as well, but they changed my mind, (K)ubuntu and Gentoo people are so much nicer [11:35] <kay> Aapzak: So likely, it was not isolated event as it appears to you. I agree, bad behaviour in a way. [11:35] <kay> Aapzak: But not so bad and not so undestandable [11:35] <nikkia> CellarDoor: KDE2->KDE3 was the porting to Qt3, and like this port, happened some time after Qt3 was released [11:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Aapzak: Do you have Gentoo installed on a computer somewhere? [11:36] <Aapzak> running it right now [11:36] <Aapzak> Gentoo really rocks :) [11:36] <kay> Aapzak: I was on Debian testing at work, then switched to Hoary, now Breezy... quite good stuff [11:37] <c0rrupt_> o.0 [11:37] <CellarDoor> eh ? [11:37] <Aapzak> yeah, true, but I can't use it to compile stuff for my servers on it, [11:37] <c0rrupt_> slackware owns [11:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Aapzak: How hard a time did you have installing it? I was thinking of trying it out myself on another puter [11:37] <CellarDoor> I was in #mepis, they hate ubuntu hehe [11:38] <Aapzak> Rogue_Jedi_X: it's not that hard, and you'll learn something along the way, but expect to take at least 24 hours for an install [11:38] <CellarDoor> I won't repeat what they said about kubuntu [11:38] <Aapzak> Gentoo documentation is the best there is [11:38] <kay> CellarDoor: Thank you very much [11:38] <CellarDoor> I downloaded mepis and had a play with it... I thought it sucked [11:38] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Aapzak: I was already expecting something like that [11:38] <Aapzak> :) [11:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Who in the right mind could hate (k)ubuntu? [11:39] <Aapzak> who does? [11:39] <kay> Why hat a distribution at all [11:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> #mepis people, according to CellarDoor [11:39] <Aapzak> :) [11:39] <kay> Hate those that create the code instead :p [11:39] <Aapzak> hate is such an unhealthy emotion [11:39] <kay> Actually it likely not even true [11:40] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yes. Use rage instead [11:40] <nikkia> Aapzak: *shrug* [11:40] <Aapzak> nikkia: my english sucks :) [11:40] <kay> What Shuttleworth is doing is give me good feelings [11:40] <kay> I kind of admire his vision... [11:40] <CellarDoor> I played with mepis for a while, but was very happy to get back to my kubuntu desktop [11:40] <nikkia> 'hate' doesn't mean what it used to, words change, and 'hate' has become a synonym for 'dislike' [11:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> nikkia: Found the juicy firefox thread. This is gold [11:41] <Aapzak> Rogue_Jedi_X: gimme? [11:41] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: you'll get bored after about 300-400 posts [11:41] <kay> Ah, well, then Kubuntu probably dislikes everything else with the exception of Debian :p [11:41] <nikkia> i always do [11:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That's what I hate about mailing lists. Unlike forums they don't show how many messages there are [11:42] <nikkia> Aapzak: no offense, but i get tired of hearing people bemoan people using the word 'hate' in place of dislike, the fact is, the word's meaning has changed, no amount of moaning about inapproriate usage will change that :) [11:42] <CellarDoor> the fact that mepis was still on kde 3.3, a wierd issue with it using not wanting to use my ethernet connection, and the general attitude of Mepis people... I was glad to be rid of Mepis [11:42] <kay> Rogue_Jedi_X: Download as mbox and use kmail to read it [11:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ah, handy. Thanks, kay [11:43] <kay> I only hear good things about Mepis [11:43] <CellarDoor> I heard good things too [11:43] <CellarDoor> Thats why I tried it [11:44] <CellarDoor> pfft [11:44] <nikkia> for some reason... [11:44] <kay> I guess, you can't blame a distribution for being older than 3.4 [11:44] <nikkia> whenever i see someone mention mepis, i think of morphix [11:44] <kay> Or not every hardware working out of the box [11:44] <Aapzak> nikkia: I understand, I just like to think about language. If hate is used as dislike. What would you have to say the mean the old hate? [11:44] <kay> Give peace a chance, Mepis has some merrits too [11:44] <nikkia> Aapzak: *shrug* [11:44] <Aapzak> Rogue_Jedi_X: do you have the link for me? [11:45] <kay> Aapzak: Like badly :p [11:45] <Aapzak> :) [11:45] <kay> I mean, as a user you need to pay respect [11:45] <kay> And when you come to the channel and need support [11:45] <Aapzak> it's allright, you can use the word. I just mean the real hate, the oldfashion way, if you feel that, that can't be healthy :) [11:45] <kay> How about being grateful, how about expecting not perfect reactions and being glad you get help? [11:45] <nikkia> Aapzak: i know what you mean, i just can't think of any modern equivalent [11:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Aapzak: Sorry, sorry. Forgot about you. [11:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/06/msg01160.html [11:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I think this is the one [11:46] <Aapzak> Rogue_Jedi_X: tnx [11:46] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: that's a recent resurgance of the issue [11:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> o_O [11:46] <kay> That trademark issue is indeed at the core of a real problem [11:46] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: the issue has been a recurring flamefest since about mid-last-year [11:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Recent? There was something BEFORE? [11:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Jeeze [11:47] <CellarDoor> trademark ? [11:47] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: soone or later people start slinging 'lets drop firefox from debian completely, that'll show them' strategems around :) [11:47] <kay> Yeah, they let you change the code as you want. [11:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yeah, I'm reading that right now, actually :P [11:47] <kay> But then you are not allowed to call it Firefox [11:47] <kay> Just as it always was with Redhat [11:47] <kay> Change it any way you like, just don't call it the same name [11:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> What's the big deal then. Make the changes needed for security reason and call it Firefucks [11:48] <kay> The same applies to Debian, can't change it and use their name still [11:48] <nikkia> kay, personally, i think its a perfectly acceptable situation, but i don't want to start another flamefest :P [11:48] <kay> The big deal is that Debian is supposed to be the base of other distributions [11:48] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: the real issue is weirder than that... [11:48] <kay> And that you can take things from there and are not limited in "main". [11:49] <Rogue_Jedi_X> nikkia: Am I curious enough to know what it is? [11:49] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: mozilla have granted debian the right to still call it firefox, all the hand wringing is about potential sub-distros that base on debian [11:49] <kay> Software with "You are not allowed to change this" are regarded non-free by everybody who thinks of freedom [11:49] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Like Ubuntu? [11:49] <kay> Yes, e.g. [11:49] <nikkia> kay, the problem, from mozilla's POV, is that firefox means more than just a few letters [11:50] <kay> Everybody distributing modified firefox is at legal risk [11:50] <nikkia> kay, if people start throwing about wildly modified 'firefox's, then it dilutes the 'brand image' of firefox as a competent web browser [11:50] <kay> It is a trademark, a reserved word so to say [11:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Fair enough [11:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Firefox is the current browser of choice, after all [11:50] <kay> nikkia: That brand image thing is all strange to me... they should not focus so much on one product [11:50] <nikkia> kay, and remember, linux is trademarked with similar issues, too [11:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> (Just wish it wasn't gnome based) [11:51] <Aapzak> Konqueror is my browser [11:51] <kay> The linux trademark was originally not done by Linus [11:51] <Aapzak> it integrates nicely with KDE [11:51] <kay> They were attempted to be blackmailed, suggested make money schemes [11:51] <Aapzak> and its apps [11:52] <kay> Then it was transferred and now some strange org is trying to finance itself from it [11:52] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Aapzak: Yeah, but I like some of Firefox's features better. Like the ability to select a search engine from the pull-down menu or the very nice search function [11:52] <kay> Aapzak: For all I hear, Konqueror will be getting Gecko backend too, elimating the need for Firefox completely [11:53] <kay> Rogue_Jedi_X: That is in KDE next too. [11:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Now that would be awesome [11:53] <Aapzak> Firefox is way more compatible with faulty sites, I just like to use Konqueror when possible [11:53] <kay> For the user it would be much more simple if one browser offered both free rendering engines [11:53] <Aapzak> so no more safari/khtml engine? [11:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> kay: What's KDE next? [11:53] <nikkia> kay, it'd be even nicer if you could define rendering engine on a per site basis :) [11:54] <kay> still, so, Aapzak , just something from a menu that you can select [11:54] <Aapzak> yeah, that would be nice indeed [11:54] <kay> nikkia: Dunno how that is going to be, AFAIK Dirk Mller does that thing, and he sure knows how to do things well [11:54] <Aapzak> I'd opt for IE rendering then ;) [11:54] <kay> Rogue_Jedi_X: 3.5 [11:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, right [11:55] <kay> I saw it on some preview article [11:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Duh [11:55] <nikkia> Aapzak: get MSHTML working via wine, and you probably could :P [11:55] <Aapzak> I had it working once, [11:55] <Aapzak> IE in wine [11:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> kay: You wouldn't happen to have the URL to it, would you? [11:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> The article, I mean [11:55] <kay> Not without google :p [11:55] <Aapzak> needed to have that for Half-Life2 / Counterstrike [11:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Dang it [11:55] <CellarDoor> sif use IE [11:56] <Aapzak> sif? [11:56] <nikkia> Aapzak: probably a wild misspell of sith [11:56] <Aapzak> :) [11:56] <kay> http://jrepin.blogspot.com/2005/08/jlps-kde-35-previews-part-2.html [11:56] <kay> Rogue_Jedi_X: There it is, was on dot.kde.org [11:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Thanks, kay [11:57] <kay> I liked IE3.0 in the days [11:57] <CellarDoor> I have a friend who runs HL2 on his ubuntu/SuSE system... as far as I know he doesn't use IE [11:57] <nikkia> besides, if 2 people in the universe use IE, it barely makes much difference, now, if CellarDoor had said 'dark jedi' then it'd be a different matter :P [11:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> CellarDoor: Maybe it's a Steam thing [11:57] <Aapzak> CellarDoor: I while ago it was needed [11:57] <kay> Actually, I never liked Netscape or any Mozilla so far... :p [11:57] <Aapzak> for steam indeed [11:57] <Mustafa^^> hi alls [11:58] <CellarDoor> hello [11:58] <Aapzak> hi [11:58] <kay> Hello :) [11:58] <Mustafa^^> How do I update KDE 3.4.0 to 3.4.2 [11:58] <Mustafa^^> I added apt sources [11:58] <kay> Mustafa^^: Follow the URL in topic [11:59] <kay> Mustafa^^: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade [11:59] <Mustafa^^> I saw this link but I couln't update [11:59] <CellarDoor> hi aseigo [11:59] <kay> Mustafa^^: Do you get an error message? [11:59] <Aapzak> Mustafa^^: why not? [11:59] <Mustafa^^> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ? [11:59] <kay> Grats aseigo to your sponsoring :) [11:59] <Rogue_Jedi_X> y [12:00] <aseigo> kay: thanks =) [12:00] <Mustafa^^> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ? y [12:00] <Mustafa^^> E: Some packages could not be authenticated [12:00] <aseigo> CellarDoor: hey =) [12:00] <kay> They are unofficial packages Mustafa^^, that is why you got the question [12:00] <CellarDoor> :) [12:00] <Mustafa^^> ok. kay thanx [12:00] <kay> Oh, you say y and they still fail? [12:01] <Mustafa^^> yeah [12:01] <Rogue_Jedi_X> This is where I sit back and watch how the experts do it [12:01] <Aapzak> Mustafa^^: you're using hoary sources for your other packages? or still on warty? [12:01] <CellarDoor> I killed my KDE :( [12:01] <kay> I am going to look at that [12:02] <Aapzak> lets not ask CellarDoor about this 3.4.2 :) [12:02] <mike1_> greetings [12:02] <Aapzak> hi [12:02] <CellarDoor> I haven't fixed it yet [12:02] <mike1_> just tested sound NG [12:02] <Rogue_Jedi_X> CellarDoor: Have you notified its next of kin? [12:02] <Aapzak> CellarDoor: how on earth did you kill it? [12:02] <CellarDoor> ah well... [12:03] <mike1_> sound drums work and sign on works but aplay and audacity and everything else ng [12:03] <kay> oops.. :p [12:03] <CellarDoor> It all started when I decided I'd like to get kcontrol back in my kmenu (as it wasn't there after I upgraded to 3.4.2) [12:03] <CellarDoor> I should have just left it alone [12:03] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I added it myself [12:03] <nikkia> mike, try artsplay [12:04] <Aapzak> CellarDoor: you killed your config or whole KDE? [12:04] <c0rrupt_> o.0 [12:04] <c0rrupt_> 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 [12:04] <CellarDoor> ah lets just say Konqueror is no more :P [12:04] <Aapzak> try moving your .kde dir somewhere else? [12:04] <kay> c0rrupt_: hrm? [12:04] <nikkia> mike1_: chances are, you're getting hit by arts locking the sound driver, you either need to switch other apps to use arts, or configure dmix, (there are more complex and exotic solutions however) [12:04] <mike1_> nikkia: looks like it works but no sound

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[02:19] <giancarlo> some help with parted [08:33] <pef> morning [11:11] <pef> allee: hi [11:38] <allee> hi pef [11:39] <pef> allee: is your revu account fully functionnal ;) [11:40] <allee> pef: upload should be fine according to siretart. Reviewing is not possible (due to implied voting right) [11:41] <allee> pef: have not tired to upload (wlassistant is ready, but I can't test it on breezy) [11:41] <pef> yeah :) [11:41] <allee> s/tired/tried/ [11:42] <pef> breezy is broken for me (root ou lvm volume doesn't work at all) [11:42] <allee> pewh. I'm lucky breezy works here (but I've no lvm) [11:51] <allee> pef: does tar czf use gzip --best (or -9) for compression? [11:56] <allee> pef: quick test showed that only gzip is called. So GZIP=--best tar czf ... or tar cf - ... | gzip --best -c - > ... will do [12:11] <allee> pef: desktop file still misses Categories and GenericName, Version (see http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-0.9.4.html#recognized-keys) [12:12] <allee> pef: upstream wants to release in some days. If you send him the changes there a change they get included ;) [12:13] <pef> allee: default setting for gzipped through tar is --5, right ? [12:14] <allee> pef: manpage says -6 [12:15] <pef> allee: I think I should advice him to delete the debian layout from the tarball too [12:16] <allee> pef: yes [12:17] <pef> allee: but this package will never be integrated into Debian if nobody takes care of it ? (review, official upload), isn't it ? [12:18] <allee> pef: yes [12:19] <allee> pef: Unfortunately I have no good testing environment (and lack some VPN knowledge) other wise I would have done it a year ago [12:19] <pef> so no .deb will be available for debian..I don't think he will be happy to deleted debian layout from his package in this case [12:19] <pef> allee: are you dd ? [12:19] <allee> pef: no [12:20] <allee> luckily with a mentor that's no problem ;) [12:20] <pef> it seems to be hard to find [12:21] <allee> pef: deleting from tarballl does not mean deleting it from cvs. (No problem to unpack tarball extract debian/ from cvs and debuild -i) [12:23] <allee> pef: If he want's to keep debian in tar ball, no big deal too. Diff.gz is a less readable [12:23] <pef> so all my work around upstream tarball will be useless for new kcpnc release [12:32] <allee> pef: No. I submitted quite some debian/ changes to Christoph last year. He happyly applied all of them. [12:34] <pef> GenericName=Connect to a vpn Categories=Network;RemoteAccess;KDE;Qt Version=0.94 looks right for you ? [12:36] <allee> pef: s/vpn/VPN/; s/0.94/0.9.4/, menu entry would look like 'Connect to a vpn (kvpnc)' [12:37] <allee> hmm, IMHO GenericName=VPN Client fits better to the other menu entires [12:38] <pef> allee: ok, thanks for all info :) [12:39] <allee> pef: I've to thank you as a future kvpnc pkg user ;) [12:41] <pef> allee: ubuntu packages are my first contribution to OpenSource, and I'm happy to see lot of helpfull people like you [12:47] <allee> pef: rules dh_installmenu. Is this needed? My wlassistant.menu is installed by cdbs without an explicit dh_installmenu call [12:48] <pef> mm you're right [12:49] <allee> pef: I have not looked at it in detail into dh_desktop. But my current conclusion is: [12:49] <allee> # desktop file contains no associated with mimetypes: no need to call dh_desktop [12:49] <allee> #dh_desktop -p wlassistant [12:51] <pef> dh_desktop updates the menu [12:55] <allee> really? From what I've read it creates mimelnk.cache (sp?) [12:56] <pef> mmm [12:57] <allee> apt-cache show desktop-file-utils | grep update-desk [12:57] <allee> * update-desktop-database -- update the desktop-MIME mapping [12:59] <pef> exact, I need to verify what people say to me on irc :] [01:00] <allee> pef: I may be wrong! I've learnt yesterday from your rules file that dh_desktop exists ;) [01:01] <allee> lunch [06:09] <_verwilst> damned verwilst i shut you down at work! [06:10] <_verwilst> oh, no i didn't :$ [06:10] <_verwilst> Riddell-awa: gonna work a bit on the debs tonight again ;) [06:38] <allee> _verwilst: which ones? [07:25] <_verwilst> allee: kde3.5_alpha1 [07:25] <_verwilst> and later on, svn daily builds [08:03] <allee> _verwilst: whoa!

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